The Band Guestbook, April 2001

Posted on Mon Apr 30 23:54:43 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Such a Night - Live over studio! My nod also goes to the TLW version of The Weight as the best. It Makes No Difference on TLW - dubs and all - it's still the best ever! Caravan also kicks Live.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 23:48:00 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Just picked up the new Dylan Japanese Import, "Bob Dylan Live 1961-2000. Sounds great!

Posted on Mon Apr 30 22:25:30 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.32)

Dave Z

I always liked TLW version of Stage Fright... and Don't Do It... and the power of Levon on Dixie is undeniable... with the video only enhancing the music...

Thanks for posting comments from the Hudsons Lil'... what could be more fun than visiting Grandchildren... with a break to play a little music... hopefully Maud sings a little on the upcoming CD too...

Rainy in MN today... about half way through the Sounes Dylan book... very enjoyable reading...

Posted on Mon Apr 30 22:08:06 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Caravan and Helpless get my nod for non BAND songs better then the original.

Stage Freight, It Makes No Difference and Dixie for BAND Songs. Levon sang Dixie as if the North just burned his house down!

Best Regards!

Posted on Mon Apr 30 21:22:54 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-057.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.57)

Peter Viney

Isis: this month’s issue (#96) has two fascinating bits. First an excellent interview with Howard Sounes, about the problems of interviewing Rick and Garth in 1999. Second, a long piece by Al Aronowitz on the Isle of Wight show, and in particular the building row between Dylan and Jonathan Taplin and The Band over the sound system. I think what he implies is bullshit, but as it’s now on record, you may be interested. The Band were refusing to go on until Taplin fixed the sound system and Dylan was going ballistic, “ordering” The Band to go on whether the system worked or not. Aronowitz approached Robbie to convey the “order”. Aronowitz says:

“Robbie laughed at me. Nothing was as important to Robbie as The Band’s sound. It would be years later, after hearing the capacity for betrayal in the accusations hurled at each other by Robbie and Levon, that the idea would enter my head that someone for some reason might have been deliberately trying to sabotage Bob’s performance.”

That sounds as if Aronowitz is being somewhat Eye in the Pyramid / Paul is Dead / Number of the Beast in retrospect. And the accusations weren’t hurled at “each other” either, as the Robertsonians have often pointed out, but were one-way. Aronowitz naively felt that as the mic for making announcements worked, then the entire sound system had to be OK. Judging by the boots, the sound wasn’t very good in the end either. Aronowitz ends up praising Taplin for sticking to his guns in the face of everybody.

Van fans will have been amused by the British tabloid press yesterday. Van not. Linda Gail Lewis reveals a detailed kiss & tell on the consummation of their relationship. I always knew there had to be a reason why he tolerated her + her crap backing band. Anyway, she has a lot to say about Van’s obsession with privacy (she’s really helped that one), hatred for his fans, satanic interests (given her background, this probably means almost anything), but most revealing she tells us that Van got rid of her because she “outshone him” with Dylan and Jack Nicholson in the audience. If she can convince herself of that particularly ludicrous fantasy, it throws doubt on all the rest of it. I have seen her with Van twice! Van must have finally read the reviews or listened to the monitor. Good to know he’ll be back with a decent band next time. I’d bet that any material from ‘You Win Again’ gets dropped and the album gets deleted – Van doesn’t need the money.

On which, “Caravan” gets my vote as better than the original, as well as best performance on the night. Coyote was nowhere near as good as the original for me. Joni had expressed doubts about their ability to play her material. They managed Coyote, the other two were terrible. I prefer TLW “Helpless”. "Mannish Boy" was always fine.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 21:04:50 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.41)

Lauren

Bob Dylan---reading some of your amazing always forever inspiring lyrics--you avhe a lot of fans ehre in Glen Cove of ALL AGES! You are timeless and always wanted! "Absolutely Sweet Marie": "now there's a wall between us, somethin' there's been lost...I took too much for granted got my signals crossed.. and "Shelter from The Storm": "well I'm livin' in a foreign country but I'm bound to cross the line ..Beauty walks a razor's edge, someday I"LL MAKE IT MINE...If I could only turn back the clock to when GOD AND HER were born, "come in, she said, I'll give ya, Shelter from the Storm..." Poet with the best lyrics...Everlasting, high reaching Bob.. there's great song from 1983 by the Animals reunion called, "LOVE IS FOR ALL TIME, not just the good times, let's have a good time everyday..." Great OLDER stuff! Best from Glen Cove to all Dylan respectables....

Posted on Mon Apr 30 21:00:26 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

With the next set of Band reissues about to come out, one may wonder how much unreleased stuff may still be in the vault at Capitol. Sadly, the major labels seem to have neglected to adequately preserve their treasure trove of recordings. We know that Capitol can't find the original master tapes of "The Band" album and that Sony has been unable to locate the stereo masters for "Blonde On Blonde" in the Columbia vault.

Worst yet, there are tales that go beyond neglect. Master recordings have been deliberately destroyed for incomprehensible reasons. There's the story of the RCA executive, who years ago when several unissued recordings of Blind Willie McTell were discovered, ordered that they be thrown out!

Then there's the toll that the ravages of time & nature take upon improperly stored tapes. Although the Atlantic label has tried to keep it hushed, the word got out through various sources in the recording industry that a fire several years ago destroyed most of that label's classic master tapes from it's golden era of 1948-1969 jazz and R&B artists.

For more "tales from the vault" -- click on the Webpage hyperlink I've added above to read a very informative 1997 Billboard magazine article by Bill Holland. It's one of the best things I've ever read on the subject of what the recording labels have done with their archives of master tapes.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 20:44:08 CEST 2001 from user-33qtaak.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.84)

Pat Brennan

From the pages of the latest MIX Magazine, in an interview with sound engineer Elliot Mazer (Neil Young, Linda Ronstadt, Janis Joplin, and coincidentally The Last Waltz): "The post production for the film and record were done at The Band's studio in Malibu, Shangri-La. I was not involved in this process, as I was too busy in the studio. I like the way the movie sounds and hope I get to hear a great sounding DVD-A out of the music."

Mazer worked primarily on getting the sound right at the event.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 20:32:53 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Great posts lately in the GB. Thanks to Diamond Lil, George, and Danny Lopez.

There is a Various Artists compilation that has been selling like hotcakes lately called Goin' South. It is in every record store and all over the TV. It features The Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" as well as many other Southern Rock anthems.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 20:17:43 CEST 2001 from icabrowser.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

John Cass

Although I am not a huge fan of The Last Waltz my favorite song from it was The Weight with the Staple Singers and Van in that funny outfit doing Caravan I think he hurt himself doing those kicks (Kidding!) I wish they included the Turra Lurra Lurra song with Richard and him. I loved hearing Butterfeild on the Harp also Neil Young doing Helpless. Least favorite by far Neil Diamond's Dry your eyes, Joni Mitchell's Coyotee but I loved her back ground singing on Helpless. I guess I liked them all but those two songs I mentioned. I wish Richard sang I Shall Be Released like he used to also.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 20:09:31 CEST 2001 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

If any of you in the Dutchess/Ulster NY area are ever looking for a fun cover band, we caught Four Guys in Disguise downstairs at the Rhinebeck Grill/Cantina Saturday night. Talked to the lead guitarist, Vito, between sets, and the subject of the Band came up. He said that his bass player was "chummy with those guys", and had played with Rick at some point.

Also mentioned that Frankie in the Barnburners used to play in Four Guys. Second set, they did a credible version of Cripple Creek. Just a fun night of rock n roll. Check them out if you get a chance.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 19:08:58 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I looked at the talent and saw the lineup BUT still Mannish Boy is just a long winded drone that goes far too long - it's the only song i fast forward through when i watch TLW. On the other hand, when Levon and the BB's played it - it was HOT and SEXY - it moved my groove. The TLW version of Further On Up The Road is still one of the best I've ever heard. And Before The Flood's Cripple Creek jams more than TLW.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 17:36:51 CEST 2001 from slip-32-102-219-151.fl.us.prserv.net (32.102.219.151)

Don Pugatch

Best TLW cuts, no question,, Caledonia and Mannish Boy, nuff said!!!! Look at the line up, see the talent, and hear the excellence that could never be duplicated in the studio.

David Powell, your email is once again returning messages. This weekend, at The US Bar and Grill, Mr. Powell and Mr. McElroy revisit Cinco de Mayo. Granted it is not Levon and the Barn Burners, but beggars can't be choosey. Come and toast the weekend on Friday

Posted on Mon Apr 30 17:07:01 CEST 2001 from dialup-346.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.90)

hank

YEEEEEEEEE-HAW!!!!!...I think we got us a new thread!!!....

The Thread is along the lines of ...

"WHICH SONGS WERE BETTER OR WORSE IN TLW

THAN THEIR ORIGINAL STUDIO RECORDINGAND/OR FIRST OFFICIAL RELEASE:

Yesterday I listed 5 songs which I thought sounded BETTER than their original releases....got some flak from PAT BRENNAN and TOMMY....THANKS, guys!!!....THAT'S the spirit!!

Posted on Mon Apr 30 17:06:37 CEST 2001 from icabrowser.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

John Cass

Saw a great Levon & Barnburners on 4-27 in NY off to Van Morrison tonight in Lowell MA. Next weekend the Gurus in NY and Crowmatix in NH. One question will Garth be with the Crowmatix in NH on Sat???

Posted on Mon Apr 30 07:07:08 CEST 2001 from ip213.chicago31.il.pub-ip.psi.net (38.33.74.213)

Pat Brennan

Hank, I can assure you in no uncertain terms that the real version of Caravan from TLW (sans overdubs) is not very good. In fact, the first verse is a train wreck. And if I recall correctly, Peter Coyote was actually at TLW and eventually wrote some rather disparaging words about it.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 06:15:48 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

Hank: I agree with you on "Coyote" (fine studio performance, but better Last Waltz performance). I would also put "Caravan" and "Forever Young" in this category, for sure, though I can't make a complete list because I haven't heard the studio versions for some of the songs. For all I know, the LW performance of "Dry Your Eyes" could squish the studio version like a grape. And don't ask me to make a call between the original "Dixie" and "The Weight" and those on the LW album!

I know Joni's other numbers didn't go over too well that night, but "Coyote" is great (someone with the Complete Last Waltz can report on how much of the greatness was ex post facto overdubs). And she was only going to get one song on the album and in the film anyway. I love "Blue" and "Court and Spark" too, of course, but "Hejira" is in my opinion her most underrated album, taking a cliched subject (the musician's life on the road) and considering it from the viewpoint of a mature female artist -- an unusual perspective in popular music, especially at that time. Maybe Joni should have gone for pleasing the audience and done "Big Yellow Taxi" or "Raised on Robbery" instead, but "Coyote" wasn't a bad choice, especially since its subject matter of an on-the-road love affair fit thematically with the film (it's immediately preceded by the famous "I thought we weren't supposed to talk about that" segment).

Peter V: Billboard lists the release date for the second batch of reissues as Tuesday, May 8th here in the States.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 06:10:38 CEST 2001 from spider-ta034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.59)

Tommy

Ben Pike..Video footage, huh? I dont recall that.I probably have some of it, or saw some of it at least.Hmmm...

I don't like TLW version of 'Helpless' at all.It's really messy and unfocused, I think.The recorded version is so much better, in my opinion.'Coyote' is about actor/activist/all-around-voiceover-guy Peter Coyoe, whom Joni was involved with romantically, right? I like TLW version ALOT...Rick's playing on it is just great!speaking of Rick...

I just won an eBay auction for the Danko/Fjeld/Anderson cd 'Ridin' On The Blinds'.Is it any good? I've never heard anything from this trio.I hope it's good (I'm sure I'll like it).

Posted on Mon Apr 30 05:20:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wo062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.47)

Ben Pike

LE, I'm talking Video here, not a CD. Beatles At the BBC was the stuff off the RADIO.

Posted on Mon Apr 30 04:42:30 CEST 2001 from dialup-260.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.4)

HANK

I heard Joni Mitchells original studio version of "Coyote" last night on the radio........Jacos bass is quite brilliant, of course....... BUT I think TLW version is probably better......it has a bit of an edge............and RRs guitar is genius.........I don't care about the overdubbing scenario......Joni sang it great and they all played it great...........it SOUNDS great......What's The GB stance on "Coyote"?

OK...here's a fun game to play!!

SONGS IN THE LAST WALTZ THAT ARE BETTER THAN THEIR STUDIO RECORDINGS

1 Coyote

2 Helpless

3 It Makes No Difference !

4 The Shape I'm In

5 Caravan

I could go on.....but you get the idea!!!!!!.....OK....there ya go.........I'm sure everyone's got a list......and I'm sure someone will initiate SONGS in TLW THAT ARE WORSE

Posted on Mon Apr 30 00:22:10 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-114-145.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.114.145)

BWNWITennessee

I was exploring Nashville's newest post office-turned-art museum, the Frist Center, today when I stumbled on E.S. Curtis' "The Vanishing Race," inspiration for RR's song from Native Americans. So it wasn't the same as meeting the real Crazy Chester or F.S. Walcott, but I thought it was pretty cool. The Frist's pretty nice, for anyone in the area, though I hope it doesn't put Cheekwood out of business.

Posted on Sun Apr 29 23:45:52 CEST 2001 from (208.129.10.67)

rjr

acadian driftwood, please contact me (rjr) (ron). Thanks.

Posted on Sun Apr 29 23:17:39 CEST 2001 from spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.32)

Tommy

Ben Pike.....That stuff is on the 'Beatles;Live At The BBC', which preceded the Anthology by about a year and a half.Go check it out.

Posted on Sun Apr 29 21:57:13 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.41)

LE

Sending my best to LeoP! RT you are my heros! GOD BLESS you my family and my J! Heard the fantastic JOHN TRUDELL on WBAI FREE RADIO!!!!! Great station! There's a Native American Blues Fest at Tribeca Blues(?) in NYC coming up--excellent!!! Does anyone know about John Trudell? I know RR is a friend and great supporter of his work. Does anyone know if he treid to get a major deal like on the Dreamworks label where RR is A&R? Wouldn't that be great? Anyone a fan of Tommy James and The Shondell's, "Crystal Blue Pesuasion"--talk about a peace and love feeling that takes me back to the magic....... Si tu est mon ami vraiment, tu me connais. J'ai pensu...Et mes mots existent dans mon DIEU..changement, tu sais "le drill".... No regrets coyote when it's FREE CHOICE et sans connections et tu sais avec qui--and ain't no domination. That entraps a nation. N'est-ce pas....nous sommes d'autre chose, mon coeur et ma tete ont pensu. Sans le correcte actions du beaucoup de resepect, sans moi.

Posted on Sun Apr 29 19:58:45 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

Deepest sympathies to Bashful Bill for the passing of your father. It is a tough thing to go through!

Posted on Sun Apr 29 16:13:26 CEST 2001 from spider-wa023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.28)

Ben Pike

Found a Beatles bootleg video with stuff from the BBC I don't think is on the ANTHOLOGY series at all. First is a "songs of Lennon and McCartney" special, where the Beatles lip sink a few numbers, but also has Peter and Gordon, Henry Mancini, George Martin, Billy J. Kramer, Peter Sellers("A Hard Day's Night" less committed and funny than on the record) and more. Then a sort of pointless "book show" interview where John trys to say something about "Spainard in the works", and finally John's fairly ammusing guest spot on Peter Cook/ Dudley Moore's "Not Only But Also". Sorry if this is old hat to diehard Beatle fans, but I'd never seen this stuff before. Glad Garth is jamming with Richard Thompson, now maybe Peter V will stop underrating the guy!

Posted on Sun Apr 29 14:20:04 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp208.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.208)

Diamond Lil

Oh to be home again....

Maud and Garth are back home in NY, and have asked me to share a few of their thoughts on the LA shows.

And I quote:

["The shows in LA were great! Garth played a different intro each time to "No Depression in Heaven"....brilliant! He also joined a few people: Marianne Faithful, Todd Rundgren, and played accordion with Richard Thompson at UCLA. Besides doing "No Depression in Heaven", Geoff Muldaur and Maud did a soulful duet, "Stand by Me" at the Getty Center. Not the familiar song of the same title, but a bluesy gospel hymn written by C.A. Tindley long ago. Geoff was invaluable at directing everyone at Getty. Maud also had the priviledge to sing with: Gavin Friday, Mary Margaret O'Hara, and Morris Seeser. Both the J. Paul Getty museum and UCLA and their staffs were a quality act. In the midst of the inevitable chaos when so many performers are gathered in one place at the same time, things went off without a hitch. Much thanks to Hal Willner for making it all possible by including us in this event. He does wonderful things and is a pleasure to know. Everyone had a wonderful time..and seeing our 4 grandchildren was the biggest, brightest highlight of all! ]"

Posted on Sun Apr 29 11:45:14 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-039.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.39)

Peter Viney

New batch of reissues: I think John D. meant the second batch of reissues, starting with Moondog Matinee. The official date given for the UK is May 8th, which is a Tuesday. New release day in England is Monday, but Monday 7th is a Bank Holiday. As all the shops are open anyway, I'd expect to find it then. Is the US the same date? I'm interested because imports from the big mail order places cost the same as local product and I'll buy an import if it's a week earlier.

Posted on Sun Apr 29 09:59:21 CEST 2001 from du11-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.11)

Ilkka

Jan: Congratulations for the "Best of the Net" Reward. And remember: "If it works don't fix it :-)"

I just checked my humble vCard and noticed a new warning: there might be a malicious code on this page. Sorry if anyone has been disturbed by it. I think it was only a MIDI file containing "Irish Lullaby". Now it is removed. Don't worry, you have been safe all the time!

Posted on Sun Apr 29 03:22:31 CEST 2001 from jaxn3t01-du21.onewest.net (199.104.80.21)

jhwygirl

RE: Danny Lopez

Thanks for that great review of the Schenectady (?sp) concert! Your interview with Levon was great too! Living out here, it's great to see such a detailed account, so Thank You Very Much.

Have a great rest-of-the-weekend, Folks. Peace!

Posted on Sun Apr 29 00:09:28 CEST 2001 from ts1-9.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.9)

cupid

John D: Seen reissues in Canada! heck I bought two of them. They are hard to find but they are around,oddly enough I found The Brown Album in a used shop.Some heretic did me a favour and brought it in. try www.absound.com they're in Vancouver and the cheapest prices anywhere on most stuff.

Glad your doing well John, continued good health...peace Cupid

Posted on Sat Apr 28 22:42:48 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Anyone seen the new Band re-issues yet in Canada?

Posted on Sat Apr 28 21:10:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wo063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.48)

Tommy

Butch..Dylan, Mavis, Hubert, The Wallflowers???That's SOME road trip!Have a good time, man!I know I would!Can't wait till the 12, when you guys come back to NYC.It's been some months since I've seen the BarnBurners and I'm really looking forward to it.

I just got The Band @ Woodstock '94 video.It's pretty good barring some sound problems (it seems the mixing board guy KEEPS mixing as The Band plays, leading to many a sound inconsistency).I didn't recognize any of them, but I really liked the horn section that was playing with The Band.For only(I believe)four pieces they sounded really BIG BIG BIG.Does anyone know who these guys are/were?

Posted on Sat Apr 28 20:09:07 CEST 2001 from spider-tq023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.53)

butch

THANKS DANNY LOPEZ,,, nice review,,,I cant add a word,, ya hit it right on the nose, bro,,,,,, but im not really THAT nice,, ROFL,,,

the fellas kicked major blues butt, last night,, & Levon & The Barn Burners took schenectady by storm,,,

our many friends who came out & all the new ones,,,THANKS !

WE WILL BE BACK,,,,,,,,,,,,,Glad ya'll dug the night,, we did,,,,,,,,,

see ya inna week,, off to MEMPHIS & Nashville to see dylan, hubert, mavis, & the wallflowers,,,,,,,,

ROAD TRIP !!!!!!!!!!! butch

Posted on Sat Apr 28 18:56:49 CEST 2001 from spider-ta053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.68)

Donna

Trying to play catch up here in the GB. As far as TLW, is concerned, I find it interesting to know what actually happened, behind the scenes, which I feel is to a great extent, very unfortunate. When I was a very young teen, and saw, "The Last Waltz" for the first time at the Tower Theater, I so captivated by this greatly talented Band. My favorite parts of TLW, are when Garth, gives that wonderful speech about the view of jazz being evil, and the greatest priest on 52'nd street, being the musicians. I enjoyed the scene with Rick and Scorsese, back in the master control recording room, where Rick sits back, pulls down his hat over his eyes, and you hear "Sip The Wine", in the background. The comradeship, that they seemed to share had me hooked as a Band Fan forever! Therefore, IMO the one good thing that did come out of this film, is that it still has that certain magic which continues to enthrall us and our youth; our future Band Fans!

Charlie Young: Thank you for the information on Jesse Colin Young. It would be great if you could make the trip to PA to catch his show at The Main Point.

John D.: I tip my hat to you!

~Wishing Everyone A Great Weekend~

Posted on Sat Apr 28 18:16:46 CEST 2001 from unionppp6.union.edu (149.106.172.7)

Danny Lopez

It's been ages since I've checked in here, but I saw Levon and the Barn Burners last night in Schenectady and thought you would like to hear about it.

First of all, the club, the Van Dyck, was packed. Levon and his band were great. This was only the second time I've seen Levon. The other time was with the reconstituted Band on the "High on the Hog" tour, in Ames, Iowa. Last night, they kicked out some solid, tight blues. Levon is interesting to watch because he's really studious behind the kit. He's got this concentrated bearing and you can see that he's totally into it.

The Barnburners are excellent musicians. Chris O'Leary on harmonica and vocals really stands out. Frankie Ingrao on bass, like Levon, adopts a studied pose. His big dog bass provides a sturdy foundation. Chris O'Leary offers efficient chops on the guitar. And Amy Helm is a wonderful vocalist. So altogether, they churn out a great blues groove that kept all heads nodding and feet stomping. One tune they did from the Band repertoire was "Mystery Train."

I introduced myself to Butch Dener. What a wonderful guy he is. He obviously knows about this web site, and when I told him my moniker, he said "oh yeah, that's a great song." Well Butch eventually got me backstage and I met Levon and Amy.

At this point, Levon was in conversation with several fans, and he was talking with a woman who teaches musical theory in a local school. He said something to the effect that he studied this once but didn't stick with it. He was so engaging and pleasant and open. He takes an active interest in you and really listens -- not something you expect from a star musician. He also told a story about this guy Hubert Sumlin, who played guitar for Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters. Levon said that although this guy has been to hell and back, he's got the sweetest soul and temperament you can imagine. To hear Levon enthusiastically tell this anecdote suggests a great admiration for Sumlin, a man who's taken all the knocks from life and still came out smiling.

After the breakup of this discussion, I just sort of loitered around backstage because I had a beer to finish. Eventually I asked Butch if I could speak to Levon one more time before I go. He said sure, and he took me to the back room. "Got somebody that wants to talk to you again Boss," Butch proclaimed. I had thought the night before if there is anything I could ask Levon, it would be about the jazz influence on his drumming. If I'm not listening to the Band, Dylan, Tom Waits, John Hiatt, and like musicians, I'm listening to Jazz.

So I said to Levon, you're drumming has often been compared to a jazz-style. Levon said "really?", expressing some unawareness of that, or perhaps it was polite modesty. At any rate, I said other than Cannonball Adderley, what jazz musicians have you listened to in the past. He mentioned Adderley's drummer, I forget his name, as an influence. He also said Oscar Peterson was playing in Canada when the Hawks were there. He mentioned Art Blakely, Mark (?) DeJohnette (spelling?), and Elvin Jones as well. I said "Elvin Jones, you saw him with Coltrane?!?!" Levon couldn't recall Coltrane as the front man, but said this was in '59 or '60 (which would have been the Coltrane period), and it was in New York at a jazz club (he knew exactly which one, I forget what he said). Elvin was phenomenal, according to Levon. I asked him if he met Charles Mingus. Mingus' bluesy, churchy, southern style has a certain affinity with the Band, IMHO. He did meet Mingus, although this was at a time when Charles was older and very sick.

According to Levon, in his early days, when he was a young, aspiring musician, he used to hang around jazz clubs just so he could meet and shake hands with the drummers, and perhaps get noticed. The discussion also veered into the blues, and Levon noted that his highest musical achievement was to play with Muddy Waters (I took this to mean the album he produced in Woodstock). This was bigger than the Band or anything else he could accomplish. Playing the blues with Muddy was the real deal, it captured what music was all about. He mentioned Hubert Sumlin again and pointed out this guy played for both Howlin' Wolf and Muddy, "can you imagine that, the only groups you ever played in was with these two giants?!" (I paraphrase). He said the Band years were difficult and weren't always fun. I suggested that probably the early years were good, and he affirmed that, pointing to the first two albums as the best period. During this conversation, Butch came up and offered Levon and me a piece of gum (didn't I say that he's a sweet guy!?!). Soon after this, Levon excused himself as he had to get ready for the second set. "Time to go Boss," Butch called out.

In sum, I just wanted to share some of these personal experiences with you. Meeting Levon and enjoying his warm, affectionate character was a thrill. The man also looks great. So a big thanks to Levon, Amy, Butch, and the band for a wonderful night.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 18:09:01 CEST 2001 from we-66-27-118-114.we.mediaone.net (66.27.118.114)

George

Nice review of the Harry Smith concert in todays LA Times. I've included the link to the article.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 17:39:19 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.29.214.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.214)

Dexy

George G: Thank you for the post about the UCLA Harry Smith event. That's one I sure would have loved to experience. Garth, along with Elvis C., Steve Earle and the rest (not to mention Maude). Let's all hope Garth heads out for a nice little tour to promote the new CD.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 16:34:19 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517255.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.126)

Richard

Thanks to GEORGE GAWARTIN for the report on the Harry Smith Concert in LA... I know Hal Wilner is involved... Will this become a CD release at some point? Anybody know?... Hasn't Wilner been touring with some sort of Harry Smith concert for a couple years now? The CD called 'The Harry Smith Connection' from 1998 was a similar modern interpretation of 'Anthology' songs with Roger McGuinn, Jeff Tweedy, the Fugs, Geoff Mulaur, Peter Stampfel and many others... and it's fairly successful. hmm... Marianne Faithful singing "John the Revelator" (?!?).

JOHN DONABIE: Thanks for starting my day with a discussion of Dylan... Nice job on the Howard Sounes interview... You asked him why a new book on Dylan with so many already available and he simply refered to Peter Guralnick and his excellent Elvis books... good answer... I'm going to order "Down the Highway" today... : )

Posted on Sat Apr 28 15:13:27 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-165.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.165)

Peter Viney

A question that might be answered by anyone who has seen the remasters sleeve notes to Moondog Matinee. The four totally new bonus tracks are “Didn’t it Rain” which was a Mahalia Jackson hit. Then these are listed: ‘What am I Living For?’, ‘Crying heart Blues’, ‘Shakin’. I guess that What am I Living For is the Chuck Willis song that was on the other side of “Rock & Roll Shoes” as a single. Is this right? Also what are the others? Who recorded them? A BMI / ASCAP research revealed nothing. Then again, the Mahalia Jackson hit was actually called “Didn’t it Rain” not “Oh Didn’t it Rain” so maybe the titles are inaccurate.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 13:31:13 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp170.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.170)

Diamond Lil

Cupid: Thanks for explaining about Clapton's guitar strap. I always thought that it 'broke', although it didn't make much sense to me since it was 'fixed' in seconds. Now it makes sense!

George G: Thanks so much for filling us in on Maud and Garth's performance. I knew they'd be great.. and my only regret was that I wasn't there to hear them. I do want to mention that the pride and little 'shuffle' from Garth is the real deal. Maud not only has a beautiful voice, but has a beautiful heart and unbreakable spirit as well. I'm proud of her too!

And on a personl note to the weary travelers...didja bring me anything?? :-)

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 13:05:12 CEST 2001 from (61.12.197.6)

Erin

I love the TLW. I think that Scorese doesn't let The Band speak for themselves enough. Even Robbie, who he is always accused of favouring. I think he constantly asks them to rephrase and shift the emphasis of their comments.

Also, I think that at the end of Old Time Religion Robbie takes his cigarette out of his mouth, looks at it and says "its not like it used to be," not, "things are not like they used to be." He sang the whole song with the cigarette in his mouth, so I'm not surprised that its not like it used to be.

Old Time Religion is my favourite part of TLW. And for the record I think that Rick sings and plays great.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 09:24:20 CEST 2001 from spider-tl042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.192)

Pete S

In 1970 I had the pleasure of hearing The Band play @ a small venue in Pittsburgh Pa. I was amazed at how well they traded off verses between Richaed, Levon and Rick. It was not heard of at that time and is still not done today. Switching intrumental rolls was another of the many surprises that I experienced that night. It is to this day the most inspiring event that I have witnessed. Never before had i seen so much talent on one stage and I have yet to see any other band even come close to the stars that shown that night. After all is said and done there will always be...THE BAND.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 08:38:36 CEST 2001 from we-66-27-118-114.we.mediaone.net (66.27.118.114)

George Gawartin

ajr - I also was hoping to see some 1st hand accounts of the Harry Smith Project concert at UCLA. Since there have been none on the GB I'm compelled to share mine. Garth was fantastic. I think he played on 10 to 12 songs. The most moving performance of the concert for me was Garth and Maude Hudson doing a Carter Family song called No Depression In Heaven. It was just the two of them. Maude was seated in a wheel chair behind Garth and his keyboards. Maude has a real nice voice and it fit well on this apocalyptic hymn. The way Garth was stooped over his instrument, his forehead almost touching the keyboards. His accompaniment on this tune was perfect. I felt he was putting every part of his soul into blending his music with his wife's voice. He seemed so happy performing with his her. After they ended the song Garth stood up and turned to his wife and raised his right arm in the air and did a little shuffle. It was an expression of complete joy.

Garth also had a prominent piano solo on a song called John the Revelator that Marianne Faithfull sang lead and Beck, Steve Earle, and some other guy were the backup singers. Beck blurted out "play it Garth" at the beginning of the solo. Also I'm happy to report that Garth received the 3rd most number of shouts of performers names from the audience behind Beck and Elvis Costello.

I hope someone else who was there will give their impressions. I know I'm leaving out (and forgot) a lot of details.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 07:20:37 CEST 2001 from ts1-29.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.29)

Cupid

I suppose I'm just pickin' hairs outa Gnat crap but I just wanted to point out that during his segment of TLW Eric Clapton did NOT break his guitar strap. It simply slipped off the strap peg. If you watch closely you'll notice that his strap is fold over the peg sort of backwards rather than hanging as it would normally. In the past a number of GB folks have made mention of this and for some goof ball reason it bothered me that they said he broke the strap.I watched it again today and as usual I laughed at Richard's "break even" comment,swooned over Emmylou Harris and marvelled at Levon's vocal on "Don't to it". Peace Y'all Cupid

Posted on Sat Apr 28 05:56:36 CEST 2001 from 1cust3.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.3)

Crabgrass

Ace blues guitarist Jimmy Vivino who has recently jammed with Levon more than a few times played in Laura Nyro's band.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 05:15:31 CEST 2001 from spider-we082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.57)

Dave Z

Before being made aware of all the negative politics... I always found TLW to be amazingly uplifting as a fan... and I still do... just the contrast of the R&R adrenaline of songs like "Who Do You Love" and "Don't Do It" to the professional sounding Last Waltz Suite and Evangeline... really blew me away...

Nice to hear you are doing so well John D... sounds like you only have to worry about heartburn from too much spicy food on your upcoming trip... Also nice to read Victoria's brief post thanking support from the Helm (both Levon and Amy)... Go girl!!! Oh to be young again, back in Ole Virginee...

Posted on Sat Apr 28 04:05:30 CEST 2001 from 209-239-195-233.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.233)

Phil

Pehr and Pat: There is an audio file of that introduction on this site. Go to Audio Files, Bob Dylan and The Band and it's the first one.

Lee: That would be "The Moon Struck One" from Cahoots and a favorite among many GB'ers!

Posted on Sat Apr 28 03:43:53 CEST 2001 from tc2-lw-17.ppp.cybercomm.net (208.199.66.17)

Lee

I am looking for a The Band or Dylan song about a little boy being bitten by a snake. Any info please email me. Thank You!

Posted on Sat Apr 28 03:22:17 CEST 2001 from ip88.chicago31.il.pub-ip.psi.net (38.33.74.88)

Pat Brennan

Pehr, in one of the more entertaining moments of Tour 66,an obviously inebriated/stoned Bob Dylan introduced each player by name just before Rolling Stone. Complete with cryptic asides, you'd have to hear it to believe it.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 01:24:24 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

Hey Elly Mae Bodine, Is it true that Dash Riprock got that rope untied? Congrats on being the first to bring up Michael Bolton for the first time (I hope) on this guestbook. Also you need to tune into the most POWERFUL EVERLASTING metaphysical civilization---the North American Native Americans. I have stories that would raise your hair and make you shiver! Robbie Robertson, help the Traditional Iroquois. Contact Sid Hill (Taddadeho), Oren Lyons (Faithkeeper), or Alfie Jacques (Bashful Bill's main man in the 70's). This will only help the Iroquois not your bank roll or your stature in Hollywood.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 00:59:44 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

Well I'm a bit disappointed not to find any eye witness acounts of GARTH HUDSON'S recent appearance in LA with the Harry Smith Tribute Project here in Ye Olde Band Guest Book. Don't you realise that we people who live in remote corners of the world depend on you for our vicarious excitement?

A mailing list I'm on reported that GARTH HUDSON playing accordion appeared on stage with RICHARD THOMPSON!! They did a rendition of the Coo Coo which is probably one of my favourite songs from the Anthology. How I would have liked to have seen that. Another review, which you can find if you click the weblink above, reports that "Garth Hudson ended the evening at 1:15 a.m. with a rambling multi-genre'd jam on the Royce organ. A quite fitting conclusion." Personally I'm wearing my Garth Hudson t-shirt with pride today!!!

Posted on Sat Apr 28 00:51:18 CEST 2001 from spider-tl024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.184)

Hollow Roy

Elly~ The Laura Nyro CD was released in March and contains some covers and some originals mostly recorded around 1995. There's no real Band link, as far as I know, in Laura's story, but I always loved the gospel coloring in her piano style. It affected me in much the same way as Richard Manuel's. One similarity I felt between the two was that, even when they were upbeat or uptempo, there was real sadness in their singing and playing. A never-fulfilled longing put to music. Since both are way too soon gone, I suppose we'll never know if they ever filled that void. ---BTW, Elly, a lost boy I was indeed; but I'm happy to report that I've matured into a lost man.

Brian~ Throw a sitar down the stairs? ... "Love you To".

As for Brits that spoke well of The Band, I think Procol Harum would have to be among the best that fell into that category. And wasn't Long John Baldry a Brit? (Don't try to boojie woojie me on this one.)

Posted on Sat Apr 28 00:21:29 CEST 2001 from ti15a22-0112.dialup.online.no (130.67.113.48)

Dag

Regarding misheard lyrics: The first time I heard "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" I thought it went "the night is over, please sit down" :-p

Posted on Sat Apr 28 00:08:27 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

Matt K nailed it as usual. To my eyes Levon is clearly looking at "Score-eatzy" as an outsider.

Scorcese has a gift for capturing the spontaneous, the psycological, the layering of interaction, and TLW is no exception.

"I know what was wrong with it! There wasn't enough Robbie in it!"

Went to a middle eastern restraunt here called "Ararat"- they have a sitar player that plays off to one side a couple nights, and he is joined by a belly dancer on Wed. nights. The other night I walked in there and they broke out into "The Weight" for me!

Best to John D.- congratulations!

Back to Mattk, who asked about brit rockers quotes on the "Hawks", I never have seen a direct quote. Baqck in those days the only guy I remember Pete ever complimenting was Steve Cropper. Part of the Who mystique at the time was them being 055hOIe5!

As I remember Dylan never introduced them at any shows, either collectively or individually; of course the effect they had is still being measured. I imagine pete and co were blown away by the sheer musicianship of these guys aside from the music itself which makes alot of the stuff going on there at the time look childish.

and Dylan's driving around with john and Paul on LSD happened on his previous tour did it not?

John had the utmost respect for Ronnie Hawkins in regards to just about everything but his phone bill as I have heard it told. I read in Heylin that Dylan knew of Hawkins from when he was a kid but you cant believe most of what he tells you. I do wonder how far back Lennon went with knowing of Hawkins.

Posted on Sat Apr 28 00:07:59 CEST 2001 from 64-89-13-153.tc.ras7.dial.1st.net (64.89.13.153)

Jill Crum

Posted on Fri Apr 27 23:11:52 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp172.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.172)

Diamond Lil

John D: An "event", hm? Well..if that's what they call it, then may the rest of your life be completely uneventful...

Elly: I just read your last post twice, and although I get the feeling that you were very much trying to make a point, I'm afraid I missed it. Can you clarify?

Have a good night everyone. Welcome home Maud and Garth! :-)

Posted on Fri Apr 27 22:08:53 CEST 2001 from spider-wa021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.26)

Tommy

MEAT LOAF??????????!!!!!Wha......???????

Posted on Fri Apr 27 21:50:31 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Don't know how many people read the article lately about actor Morgan Freeman. When not in Hollywood, Mr. Freeman lives in Clarksdale Mississippi. Home of The Blues. He's opening a Juke Joint there. He figures people expect a good juke joint when you come to the land of Muddy Waters. It opens this July.

I'm going to New Orleans for the 100th birthday party for Louis Armstrong in August. (God New Orleans in August. It doesn't get any hotter!!!) and I plan to drop my Clarksdale (one of my favorite spots) and check out the club. Be a good spot for Levon and The Barnburners!!

Because I feel close to so many in the guestbook.......today marks the first anniversary of my heart attack and I want to thank everyone over the past year who writes me..to thank you all for your good wishes. Sometimes when I get pissed at the human race, I look to some wonderful people in this guestbook. You know who you are. Heart Attacks are called "events" by the professionals. My event was not catered. Pizza anyone :)

Posted on Fri Apr 27 21:36:58 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

For anyone in the Toronto area or who want to listen at www.cfrb.com I will be running my interview with Howard Sounes tomorrow morning. Don't want to appear sacrilegious; but I did not concentrate on The Band on this one; but on the subject himself. Mr. Sounes is a real fan born in 1965. When asked why he wrote the book with so many others out there he said " he really didn't find the majority of Dylan books entertaining and not enough revealed." Anyone who has read his book know that after interviewing over 250 people about Dylan, including Levon, Rick and Garth......he did a pretty good job

Posted on Fri Apr 27 21:14:36 CEST 2001 from user-33qt993.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.35)

Pat Brennan

Actually, to me at least, playing delta blues in a club is as far away from The Band as working on soundtracks. For a lot of reasons. Even a cursory look at the original quintet's tour schedules shows a group not all that interested in playing live, with very little, if any, delta blues as part of the songlists. Then again, they did want to score all of Easy Rider, so I ammend my initial feelings about working on soundtracks.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:56:30 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Toronto-based blues singer Rita Chiarelli's new blues CD, "Breakfast At Midnight" (on NorthernBlues Music) features Colin Linden and Richard Bell, among others. Her brother, operating as Frank Rondell, recorded one of the very first cover versions of a Robbie Robertson song - "Someone Like You" in 1961 or '62.

Kinks/Band connection: Richard Bell was the pianist in Livingston's Journey, a powerful Toronto R&B band of the mid-'60s. (He was one of two keyboardist in the group - standard practice in those Hawkish days.) The guitarist, Stan Endersby, later moved to England and formed Mapleoak with Kink bassist Pete Quaife.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:44:29 CEST 2001 from citrix2.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.7)

John Cass

I was reading a book about Joe Cocker titled With A Little Help From Freinds by J.P Bean its a great book that tells of all Joe's wild and crazy years and his good times and bad times and it was said that he at one faze of his career used to sing In a Station at his concerts. I also have Joes box set and he does a great version of The Weight, also he does Out of The Blue on his have a little faith album. Iwas wondering if anyone has any Cocker bootleg tapes or if any one had ever seen him perform those Band songs and if they ever shared the same concert bill.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:28:32 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.39)

Ellymayb

Hollow Roy...Women are no toys..You seem like a lost boy.. That triple treat was disappointing because yo can't always believe waht you hear and it probably turned into a triple threat! Or tricks for treat. Thanks for the info on the Laura Nyro music. James The Glen Cove Musician--"The Conversation"--think of the beauty of the music and the healing. Thanks for giving me the chance to do what I have been trying to do for over a decade--musical healing--MY WAY....As I told you, I was shut out from doing my music all along. ...The rest you heard is a delusional lie--and we won't let you buy into it anymore!!! That is the good musicians---Don't let that slander spread....We need to get our beautiful music full of serentity and strength out there. And don't let the head games going around that you said upset you by the hill get to you either. Our music is too good. I just gave a little bit of my lyrics to 2 people and they started to twist them and lie--definitely not TWIST AND SHOUT.....I guess it's part of the originally stolen and slandered lyrics that these ineffectual musicians want to lend their name to. I know we talked about good music being spread and our peaceful ways and my crucifix having been stolen but to tell you the truth--James, today is hitting an all time high after I was verbally and spiritually assaulted on the local streets here. And it's not stopping anywhere I go. Talk about a cold atmosphere. This is bloddy freezing and all I want to do is rehearse. My music is being slandered again....After I talked about "The Conversation"...MY original project that would have highlighted many good musicians and would have gotten me great accolades and shut out the bad rip offs of my songs. I can't even sing quietly without being harrassed or have purposeful misinterpretations attempt to ruin my day.. There is some really untalented person out there trying to steal our music and lie again--hey don't let 'em... We have the law on our side!! The same ones probably infecting my life here as well by that hideous old song stealer. That's what I heard. Poor Michael Bolton--and he didn't even have a clue.....Hope your listening.... The Conversation will resume once people understand that to disrupt peaceful waters only reflects on their lack of ability to recognize TRUE BLUE GODLY lyrics... Also tune into the most POWERFUL EVERLASTING metaphysical civilization---EGYPT..

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:20:15 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

There is a new movie out recently called The Center Of The World which uses Robbie's "Rattlebone" as well as other world music. The soundtrack looks very interesting, and it got a great review in last week's Billboard magazine.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:19:34 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

mattk

I did not say "agendas," I used the word "poison" and I stand by it. All I mean is that with Richard, Rick, Robbie and Levon in TLW there are hints at the issues that were driving them apart, and later on even resulted in tragedy...

Robbie's tired, looks fried, and clearly expresses why he can't tour anymore.

Levon is very terse with Scorcese and barks at him when he asks about women on the road. He's clearly not happy with the way things are ending.

That great scene with "old time religion" where Rick can barely play, and RR ending the scene with "things ain't what they used to be" - the most telling moment of the movie, IMHO.

Richard clearly wasted on the couch.

Rick's melancholy while he plays back "sip the wine" in the recording studio.

Yes there are some great moments of genuine warmth (the best, for me, is the "longest burning match" scene where RR and Levon talk about NYC and Levon holds a burning match for the better part of a week.

At the end of the day, TLW is a bittersweet film to me. Not just because it's the end of a group or an era, but because it manages to dig just enough below the skin to show that there's a lot going on here emotionally, creatively, spiritually (thanks Garth) and chemically.

What was once a group of very close guys are no longer so close (though it seems after some time passes four of them manage to reconnect outside the spotlight). I know some here deride TLW for not being more of a documentary and being too cinematic.

But I think it's a brilliantly directed film, even if it's not so much an historical document as, say, Pennebaker would make. Part of that brilliance comes from the subject matter - a famous rock band, ruined by success and at the end of their rope due to infighting and a kind of intertia.

This may rankle some, but I think that's why it acts as much more than a concert film, it's an emotional diary. The last recording, on soundstage of Evangeline, ends with all five guys moving away from each other. It's a telling moment, and one that I think only a guy like Scorcese could get at.

Matt

Posted on Fri Apr 27 20:08:31 CEST 2001 from 1cust39.tnt1.albany2.ny.da.uu.net (63.20.126.39)

richard

I love this site, why so much negativity?? Maybe someone can tell me why does there always have to be so much acrimony in this place toward RR, and to a lesser extent, toward LH?? No question, but that these guys, in the aggregate, were the greatest rock emsemble ever assembled!!Don't we all agree on that premise? Accordingly, what possible end could be served by making pejorative remarks or by castigating any member of such an esteemed group, when to do so, in my judgment mitigates their significant legacy!! Sorry to preach, but it gets more than a little disconcerting to read the constant bile spewed herein by a few rabble rousers!! Enough said!!

Posted on Fri Apr 27 18:52:17 CEST 2001 from spider-tk061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.201)

Hollow Roy

A misheard lyric that still intrigues me: When I first heard "Up on Cripple Creek", it was on a static laden AM station on the radio of a noisy 63 Falcon. I heard the phrase as "Hop on, Triple Treat". I presumed that this was a summons to some sort of consentual romantic activity followed by the pet name of one of the participants. My tiny mind started whirling around, trying to figure what trio of sexual skills or assets this lady might have demonstrated in order to earn the title, Triple Treat. When I finally heard the song clearly, I was almost disappointed.

Other Band-related mondegreens: "I made a tent at Richmond that fell" and "Look out Cleveland, Georgia's coming through." (perhaps a rallying cry for a Braves-Indians World Series).

Elly~ There's a new album out of previously unreleased Laura Nyro material.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 18:48:43 CEST 2001 from citrix2.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.7)

John Cass

LEVON HELM IS THE BAND!!!!!!!!!!! Robbie who???? oh yea that guy who works on soundtracks. I will take Levon in a club giving his fans what they want great delta blues!! Can't wait for tonight Barnburners in NY. Thats what it is all about performing for the ones who love the music, what a guy!

Posted on Fri Apr 27 18:16:35 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517235.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.106)

Richard

BRIEN SZ: Great sitar song!

I guess I don't mean "shifty" in a negative way so much, as that they acted like "rounders". Shop-lifting stories, first trips to NYC, "midnight rambles"... and then there's Garth hitting his thumb with a hammer or trying to express a spiritual experience.

To me it looked like Robbie was warming up for his part in 'Carney'... Whoever said he acts about as well as James Taylor acts, hit it on the nose...

Posted on Fri Apr 27 18:08:40 CEST 2001 from dialup-070.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.70)

HANK

Meatloaf?|

He was good in The Spice Girls Movie

I've read that Clapton quote about Broooooooooce before......I bet'cha both Springsteen AND Donovan would laugh at that.......and, in the context of what Clapton was talking about.... he was right!!!....as history has shown....Raggedy-Assed as Bob, Keith and Woody were....Dylans comment about Americas Mid-Western Farmers brought a balance to the Whole Live-Aid Concert.....as distasteful it may have seemed at the time.......If Bruce got up and said such a thing, at the time, they woulda said "Well Said, Bruce"......but Bob pisses EVERYBODY off by his very presence.....to sing "Hollis Brown" at such an event was very wise........it said "Please consider the reality of imminent starvation on your OWN continent......that way, you'll understand the plight of starving Africans better....." Not an easy lesson to learn or understand, perhaps, but NOTHING about Starvation and Famine is easy, is it?

Anyone here know how close, if at all, The Band got to play at Live Aid?........I'm not a big George Thoroughgood fan...but it was VERY cool that he brought Bo Diddley and Albert Collins on the show.........I heard that Neil Diamond once had Albert Collins paint his house.......To me , that's a worse crime than "Dry Yer Eyes"....why'nt he give Albert a gig on some Hot August Night....y'know?.........Maybe he did.....I dunno.....anyone?

Did The Band play ANY Farm Aid gig?.........and if NOT....WHY not?

Now then......off ya go.....I'll expect reports on my desk tomorrow morning....

Posted on Fri Apr 27 17:57:48 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I'd love to hear from Garth also but this assumption that the others were 'shifty' or had other agendas in mind during the interview segments of TLW seems to be a stretch-I haven't watched the video in a while, but i never recall getting that feeling - Can anyone point out an example of Levon's bitterness in the interviews of TLW?

By the Way- favorite sitar song: 20th floor Sitar in three movements -
1. The Toss
2. The Flight
3. The Crash (it ends with a bang!)

Posted on Fri Apr 27 17:50:50 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Thread: musical parents and children. Some I didn't see mentioned are Sally and Ben Taylor, offpring of James and Carly (and of course Livingston Taylor, Hugh Taylor and Kate were all siblings of James and all had recording contracts, while the Simon sisters did the same).

Did anyone mention David Crosby and his biological son, James Raymond? They have done some great music together in the band called CPR.

Someone asked about Jesse Colin Young in connection to The Band. There was a TV show back in the mid-80s which was taped in New Jersey and titled "Folk Rock Reunion." It featured Levon, Rick and Richard along with Roger McGuinn, John Sebastian, Jesse Colin Young and others playing together. By the way, Jesse Colin Young raises coffee in Hawaii now, but sometimes plays gigs with his son...

Posted on Fri Apr 27 17:44:52 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517235.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.106)

Richard

I agree, the Band as they appear in 'The Last Waltz' look like "shifty characters". All except for Garth, who seems the most genuinely relaxed... His musical contributions as a member of the Band and as a session guy on other's music are always deeply felt... I don't see how his upcoming CD couldn't be good.

Somebody mentioned "Girl With A Problem" by the Northern Pikes... great song.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 17:08:38 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

mattk

I've not seen the latest liner notes, but Mr. Anon. raised the question about interviewing Garth and Levon.

Not sure what to say about Garth, except I'm not sure he gives interviews to ANYONE. This is extremely unfortunate, because he's the guy whose ideas I'd really like to hear.

Find me one Garth interview even on this site - he's rarely even paraphrased, except in some oblique reference (eg, "according Rick, Garth developed a cold fusion reactor to power his Wulitzer, but could not get the proper zoning from the town of Woodstock and was rather frustrated about it").

Likewise, in most Band video takes, he rarely, if ever, talks. On Classic albums, I'm thinking he says very little, if anything while Rick, Levon and Robbie go on at length.

This is a shame. Garth is the warmest and most positive of the interviews in the TLW, nap or no nap. With the other three, you can see all poison under the surface. Garth wants to talk about how jazzmen were shaman. He rules.

As far as Levon goes, well, God bless him, but why would anyone connected with original Band material or it's label WANT to talk to him? He's made it quite clear what he thinks of Robbie, the re-issues, etc. When the first batch was released, he used a golden opportunity with Rolling Stone to waste more ink blasting Robbie.

Besides, there's no guarantee that Levon wasn't approached by Bowman and showed him the door - if Bowman is perceived as "pro-RR," I can't imagine Levon was too eager to sit down and talk about the old days with him.

Rick, unfortunately, is gone, as is Richard. Doesn't leave much BUT Robbie for quotes. Personally, I'd like to see more interviews behind these things as well, but you can only work with what you've got.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 16:51:28 CEST 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Mr. Anonymous

Just got the new reissues. I haven't listened yet. One thing I will say, it doesn't look like Rob Bowman endeavored to fix his mistake last time and interview Garth or Levon. It's the Robbie show and I'm sure these linear notes will irritate the Levonistas. He talks about why Rick never finished writing songs on his own.

I must add that I agree with Butch -- Bucky Baxter is one of my favorite steel guitar players -- although he's said some pretty cranky things about Dylan fans. He reportedly called them kooks in the Sounces book. Dylan's new man Larry Campbell is brilliant.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 16:36:13 CEST 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Lil (& others) who asked about the "Angel of the Morning" remake...as was pointed out, the original song was written by Chip Taylor of "Wild Thing" fame (and in more recent years, he wrote & sang on a gorgeous acoustic album with discreet appearances by Rick, Garth & Lucinda Williams that got me hooked on his music...but I digress... :) Chip's website (link above) mentions this new remake in a fairly positive way, so I'd venture a guess that some sort of agreement was worked out with him.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 16:30:25 CEST 2001 from du115-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.115)

Guestbook Donovan

Thread: Clapton/Springsteen/Donovan - A guy who made himself known as a blues guitar imitator in The Yardbirds and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers can't afford to call anyone for "Donovan" of anything. BTW Chardonnay is Clapton of winegrapes. (Web site is a gb vCard.)

Posted on Fri Apr 27 15:04:43 CEST 2001 from spider-wd084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.189)

Dave (the drummer)

UPDATE: Just checked Pollstar and called Moondog's....the BARNBURNERS show will be on THU. MAY 31st. I guess there were scheduling problems but the owner of Moondog's assures me that the concert will definitely happen. See y'all there...Butch, the first round is on me.

Dave

Posted on Fri Apr 27 14:39:01 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.168)

bob wigo

That's the first Meat Loaf post I can recall.Welcome Paul.Check out The Band while you're here.

Posted on Fri Apr 27 14:21:08 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

John Cass-----you've seen em before, has a club ever been able to keep the fans from gettin up do dance, etc. when LEVON and the Barnburners hit the stage????????????????? Chris comes out and eyeballs the crowd--Levon and Frankie get the groove goin, Pat start playin!!!!!! What they gonna do when Amy comes out(?)--who'll stop the crowd??? Still workin on a way to get there??????????Enjoy!!!

Posted on Fri Apr 27 13:16:02 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp45.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.45)

Diamond Lil

So there I was last night, in a bad mood, rushing through the grocery store in order to pick up a kid on time... when what do I hear over the store stereo system..but 'Holy Cow' (no..not The Band's version) and I immediately started smiling..and thinking of Ragtime. Go figure :-)

Peter: As a follow-up to that awful song we talked about yesterday.. I have a question. How can someone get away with that? It's obviously blatant 'stealing'. How could that tune have been recorded..and given enormous air play.. with no repercussions?

Off to work. TGIFFF :-)

Posted on Fri Apr 27 12:32:13 CEST 2001 from (212.219.92.232)

Paul Curran

MEAT LOAF is the best singer in the world and that's a fact because I heard him sing! He makes me feel crazy with excitement when he starts to sing. "Objects in the Rear View Mirror" almost makes me cry. "Original Sin" can get me to dance forever. I don't know but I believe that I'm his biggest fan. I'd certainly do anything for a great song. His songs are based on stories that are often close to tears...

Posted on Fri Apr 27 04:32:56 CEST 2001 from 1cust245.tnt1.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.107.245)

Roscoe

If you like electric sitars, you'll find some on Garth's latest...

Posted on Fri Apr 27 01:35:28 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.37)

Tommy

I have a friend that is an amazing guitarist.a few years ago, he had an electric sitar (guitar style) made by someone in NYC.It sounds awesome, and he uses it on almost half the songs in his new band, an instrumental project.They recently made a cd demo.If anyones interested, I'll try and get them to you.It's really good stuff.

I GOT TOM PETTY TICKETS FOR JULY FIRST!!! NICE!!!

Posted on Fri Apr 27 01:27:05 CEST 2001 from (216.209.112.111)

Richard

I propose the following WARNING label be placed on newly manufactured SITAR exports...

"DANGER: Make sure the sitar is pointing away from your body before attempting to change the strings... and for Krishna's sake, make sure you're sitting down."

Sorry folks, I think I'm a little over tired here... I think I'll listen to a little sitar music and nod off... : )

Posted on Thu Apr 26 22:55:07 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Above link goes to a good pic of the Coral electric sitar, which seems to be for sale by or owned by Dan Fogelberg (?) of all people.

There were others made, too. Some few years ago I saw Mitchell Froom playing with Marshall Crenshaw, and on one of the encores he played an electric sitar that was NOT, as far as I could tell, a Coral. I to a good look at it, too, because I moved around to a position directly in front of him and motioned for him to move forward, which he did, very graciously standing right under a spot for a few seconds so I could view the instrument. When I smiled and nodded, he nodded as well, and then stepped back into the shadows.

Jerry Jones guitars (www.jerryjonesguitars.com) has a line of new electric sitars with or without sympathetic strings. (Those without use a resonating bridge of some kind.) Maybe we can instigate a comeback!

Catching up on some new acquisitions (and taking a break from the Dead... still in the G's), finally listened to the remastered Big Pink. Will have to go back and read the discussions regarding the outtakes that overlap Basement Tapes. They seem much richer sounding on this release. Other items included Tom Rush best-of "No Regrets", Joe Ely's latest, "Twistin' In The Wind" (on first pass not as gripping as "Road To Encinada"), and a best of Tony Joe White (featuring "Polk Salad Annie", "Rainy Night In Georgia", and the rest mostly filler). Hoping my remastered Brown is waiting for me at home.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 22:36:05 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.40)

Elly

Hey Macedonia! Regards! You know who!!! Any Laura Nyro fans out there?/ There's a show in NYC all about her music! Wish I had the dosh to check it out! EB and PT and PG love you guyz! RW too! "Monterey" a great, great song. Eric BURDON deserves to have another hit!!!! (California sunshine) Ah Carmel------land fo Pacific Dreams... Remember, "and in the end, the love you take is equal to the real love you make......." (Beatles) Hey Diamond Lil..... Best, Elly

Posted on Thu Apr 26 22:22:31 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

The sitar-like sound reached another dimension with the Coral electric sitar. Anyone recall this weird looking guitar, with additional sympathetic strings, that graced many classic recordings? Remember these gems -- Eric Burdon & the Animals "Monterey", B.J. Thomas' "Hooked On A Feeling", Joe South's "Games People Play", the Boxtops' "Cry Like A Baby" and Steely Dan's "Do It Again". Interesting sound but definitely not Shankar ragas.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 21:51:46 CEST 2001 from spider-wi071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.51)

bob wigo

Our "crack" IT Dept. just turned me on to the MusicMatch site above. I strongly recommend you check it out. Lots of great stuff !!!

Posted on Thu Apr 26 21:39:07 CEST 2001 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

I just got tickets to see Levon Helm & Barnburners at the Van Dyke Club in Schenectady NY. The lady said he is playing two shows one at 7:30 and one at 9:30pm the only seats they had left are near the bar (that could be trouble) I have never been to this place it sounds like all you can do is sit there and listen no walking around or rockin and rollin to the Barnburners, man the times I have seen them you could get up and dance and just have a blast its too bad that this club sounds a little mello for the Barnburners. If anyone out in GB land has ever been to this place explain it to me on what I am going to expect. Thanks..

Posted on Thu Apr 26 21:37:39 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-152.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.152)

Peter Viney

This extravagant praise leads me into more musing on the best ways of appreciating music. I almost had forgotten that I was heavily into modern jazz circa 1970, and when I lived in Norwich (a fine city by the way) attended several jazz performances. The outstanding one was Rahsaan Roland Kirk on the “Volunteered Slavery” tour, and I can’t imagine why it had slipped my memory as one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen. Great album too. But in other performances by John Surman, Chris Spedding and others, it seemed incumbent on many of the audiences to adopt a recumbent position while appreciating the music. I haven’t seen a venue recently where I’d want to do that. Either I’ve got pickier or the floors have got dirtier.

Coincidentally (following David’s post) I’m sitting here in the knowledge that JOHN HAMMOND is playing about 35 miles away tonight. I’d fully intended to go until a couple of hours ago, but (a) no one at all wants to go with me – especially after being played the albums (b) I’m very tired (c) the venue is extremely smoky (d) Most importantly, I listened to all the three relevant albums this afternoon and have to agree with Greil Marcus. Great backing … er, shame about the singer. Still, I can watch the new episode of Friends instead. Are my priorities slipping?

Posted on Thu Apr 26 21:12:36 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

For the past several weeks I've been breaking in a new set of speakers. Three great LPs, all originally released in 1965, keep finding their way onto my turntable.

First is John Hammond's "So Many Roads". My old original Vanguard mono LP pressing never sounded better, especially Levon's drums on "Who Do You Love".

Then there's "Otis Blue" from Otis Redding. The recent Sundazed 180 gram LP all-analog remaster from the orignal mono master. Otis hit his prime with his songs "Respect" and "I've Been Loving You Too Long". A big fan of Sam Cooke, Otis pays tribute to Mr. Cooke (who was killed in a senseless shooting incident in December 1964) with three covers Cooke songs, "Shake", "Wonderful World" and a stirring version of "(A) Change (Is) Gonna Come". After listening to Otis sing the latter, I just had to get out my LP copy of "Moondog Matinee" to hear Rick's wonderful interpretation of the same song.

Finally -- there's the new 180-gram LP reissue of Dylan's "Bringing It All Back Home", another all-analog remastering from Sundazed taken from the original mono master. This is definitely the best version I've ever heard of this album. A must for all Dylan fans.

Speaking of the Sundazed label -- they e-mailed the other day to let me know that "Bringing It All Back Home" is just the first of an ongoing LP reissue project involving the Dylan catalog. With the cooperation of (Sony)/Columbia and the Dylan organization, there will be more releases on the way. Next up is "Highway 61 Revisited" (another mono remaster) coming soon.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 21:11:56 CEST 2001 from st-catherines-ppp112498.sympatico.ca (216.209.140.127)

Richard

Words of wisdom... PETER VINEY: "Never listen to the sitar while standing up"

That's the funniest thing I ever read on the Band site : )

Posted on Thu Apr 26 20:22:46 CEST 2001 from ts1-23.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.23)

Cupid

"Springsteen is the Rock Donovan" hahahahaha! Eric stop yer killing me hahahah...That's funny. Thanx I needed the laugh B E G. I do love an honest answer, good on ya Eric...Peace Cupid

Posted on Thu Apr 26 20:08:13 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

"Tailgate" was done with Gary Chang before Robbie's first solo record. Gary Chang did a lot of movie music in the 80s (you can probably tell by the somewhat dated music). The other outtakes from the first record were good enough to keep in the can and possibly bring out later like "What About Now".

Posted on Thu Apr 26 19:55:00 CEST 2001 from (47.211.0.12)

Poseidon

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Posted on Thu Apr 26 19:44:36 CEST 2001 from (157.198.4.17)

Michael

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Posted on Thu Apr 26 19:38:18 CEST 2001 from du211-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.211)

Ilkka

Thread: Families in rock
Rapmaster Nicolaus Harnoncourt and his funky lady Alice & their wild-wild daughter on recorder in Consentus Musicus Boom-Boom MC. Ragtime, don't kill me. (Web site is a gb v Card.)

Posted on Thu Apr 26 18:50:37 CEST 2001 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (213.51.109.69)

Norbert

Brown Eyed Girl: family thread......

1) Wouter Planteijdt (Sjako!) lives next-door to the girl who is in love with the brother of the neighbour of the mother of .........voila......Thijs Vermeulen (Sjako!)..........(you should know it!!!......does this count too?)......

2) not sure 'bout this one.........so with reserve.......Ilkka played bass in a rock group........I know, one of his family members played keyboards......did they play together?..........

3) FAMILY?
Allman Brothers
Bailey Brothers and the Happy Valley Boys
Barcode Brothers
Bellamy Brothers
Blues Brothers
Brothers of Soul
2 Hyped Brothers & a Dog
2 Brothers on the 4th Floor

p.s.I Mr.George W:......can't we build a Yellow Submarine for ya?

p.s.II Brown Eyed Girl:......goed, laat je gedachten er maar eens over gaan.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 18:31:41 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Hey,........BAND fans, great time to become ROAD WARRIORS!! LEVON and the Barnburners, 5/4, at the TURNING POINT; GURUS, 5/5, at Chicago Blues!!! TWO SUPER crews, two great clubs!! TIME TO TRAVEL AND LEND SOME SUPPORT!!!

Posted on Thu Apr 26 16:58:01 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Just listened to RR's out take "Tailgate" and was wonderin' if that song or a cover of it will be on the new movie 'Driven' soundtrack? I can also see why it was left off RR's first.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 17:01:59 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-077.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.77)

Peter Viney

Sitar: You shouldn’t try to listen to it standing up. I just bought tickets to see Ravi Shankar’s daughter play in a few weeks time after reading ecstatic reviews of her playing. I did attend a sitar concert about 30 years ago with Ravi’s backing group and another sitar player- probably famous, but I can’t recall the name. Anyway the first 30 minutes of the number are the hardest, then you really get into it for the last two hours. I’m told that it’s all a matter of balancing morning ragas that energize the audience (like Up On Cripple Creek, say) and evening ragas that mellow them out (more into It Makes No Difference). I hope this is a suitably short explanation of the exotic pleasures of Indian music in Band terms. Best advice is to lie down while listening to evening ragas, and I believe this facility was available at the concert all those years ago.

Tom: I think Ray Davies is a wonderfully observant lyricist, and “Arthur” was released within weeks of the brown album. I wouldn’t agree that “Arthur” compares to the brown album, because Ray Davies never managed to find musicians who could play well enough to match his vision. Apart from the musical quality, it’s pretty obscure (Victoria was a minor hit), which the brown album isn’t. His social commentary is not subtle – things like “Well Respected Man” and “Dedicated Follower of Fashion” hit their targets with a sledgehammer. But “Waterloo Sunset” is still one of the best rock songs of that or any other era. The only Kinks-Band connection that comes to mind is that the drummer loathed the lead guitarist.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 16:08:23 CEST 2001 from slip-12-64-103-199.mis.prserv.net (12.64.103.199)

DP

Mr. Powell, your email is once again returning the mail, email me

Posted on Thu Apr 26 15:47:26 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Just visited the SHREK web site to check out the soundtrack. There are no songs from RR.

Best Regards!

Posted on Thu Apr 26 14:38:23 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

JOHN CASS

FAMILY MEMBER MUSIC: LAST TIME I SAW LEON RUSSELL HE HAD HIS SON AND DAUGHTER IN HIS BAND. HIS SON ON GUITAR AND HIS DAUGHTER WAS PLAYING SOME PERCUSSION INSTRAMENT. SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN. ARLO GUTHRIE PERFORMED IN RUTLAND AT THE PARAMOUNT THEATRE AND HIS OPENING BAND WAS HIS SONS, WHICH WASEN'T GOOD BUT HIS DAUGHTER ALSO SANG AND PLAYED GUITAR WITH ARLO HER VOICE SOUNDED JUST LIKE EMMY LOU HARRIS SHE ALSO WAS BEAUTIFUL. MUST BE SOMETHING ABOUT THE MUSICAINS DAUGHTERS THEY ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL LIKE LEVON'S DAUGHTER AMY

Posted on Thu Apr 26 14:26:24 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-160.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.160)

Peter Viney

Lil: i think the only way out is to find a copy of the P.P.Arnold version of "Angel of the Morning" and hope they get to like that better. Wasn't it written by Chips Taylor? Mild Band connection via "Seven Days in May."

Apologies to all correspondents - my inbox is stacked and I've been racing for a deadline all week. I will catch up.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 14:24:29 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Springsteen the "Donovan of Rock 'n' Roll"! Thank you Eric! (Gee, how about a most overrated artist thread? Ah, I can see the mortars lining up on the opposite shore of the Delaware now...let the flame wars begin!) (And no disrespect intended to you Donovan fans.)

Performing family members and/or couples: Richard and his son Teddy Thompson, or Richard and Linda Thompson for that matter. Also The Black Crowes (Robinson brothers, isn't it?) if they have not been mentioned already. Richard and Mimi Farina. The Grateful Dead when they included Keith and Donna Godchaux.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 13:35:00 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Dylan on Dylan: "I've done more for Dylan Thomas than he's ever done for me." (New York,1966)

"I needed a name in a hurry and I picked that one. It just came to me as I was standing there...Wasn't Dylan Thomas at all, it just came to me. I knew about Dylan Thomas of course, but I didn't deliberately pick his name." (New York, 1968)

"I didn't create Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan has always been here...always was. When I was a child, there was Bob Dylan...sometimes your parents don't even know who you are." (Los Angeles, 1978)

Eric Clapton interviewed by Roger Gibbons......asking Eric: "At TLW, Bob seemed to me to be the star of that particular concert, even though it was The Band's"...

Eric: "It's a very difficult thing to sum up. Yes, him and Van Morrison I think stole the show. Bob can walk on the stage tomorrow, anytime, anywhere... There's very few around with that charisma. When they thought about wrapping up Live Aid, actually someone said to me weeks before, Who would you have to close it? I said, There's nobody else. Dylan. That's it."

Gibbons: "Well, most people would have said Springsteen."

Eric (shakes his head) "Don't be silly. Springsteen's actually just the rock 'n' roll Donovan".

Posted on Thu Apr 26 11:50:14 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp33.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.33)

Diamond Lil

Peter: Arrghh! You hit one of my latest aggravations by mentioning that god-awful tune 'stolen' from "Just call me angel of the morning". This tune gets _enormous_ airplay here..my kids (the 9 and 11 year olds) _love_it..and it manages to grate on my nerves like nails on a blackboard personally.

'You are my angel, you're my darling angel
Closer than my peeps you are to me..baby "

Couldn't figure out what 'peeps' were..and was pretty much afraid to ask...but my 9 year old assures me it's short for 'people' :-)

'She was there through my incarceration
I wanna show the nation my appreciation'

Arrghh! (Did I already say that?) I promise to never again make fun of Joan's version of 'Dixie' if someone would just take this tune _off_ the radio.

And adding to the thread of family members in music...I just want to mention that Rick's son Eli played the guitar (he would've told you 'not very well'..but I thought he was good), and although he didn't play professionally...I enjoyed listening to him and Rick play together when I had the chance...something I deeply regret never getting on tape. That would be something I'd treasure...

Oh...and what about Alvin, Simon, and Theodore? They were brothers, weren't they? :-)

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 11:13:34 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Howard Sounes’s new Dylan book seems extremely well-researched and he devotes nearly a page to the Dillon / Dylan thing, pointing out that a contemporary Minnesota sports hero was called Bobby Dillon, as well as Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke (who Crazy Chester used to follow, calling out “Marshall Dillon …”, which is I think a deliberate reference). James Dillon was an early Hibbing settler. And Bob told people he chose it after an uncle called “Dillion” who turns out not to have existed. But he told Echo Helstrom it was spelled “Dylan” and showed her a book of poems by the renowned Welsh poet and drunkard. The first name “Dylan” has just entered the chart of most popular boy’s names in Britain. This might be because we all read the Welsh poet assiduosly, but I think not. In fact as every British child is force-fed “A Child’s Christmas in Wales” as an English Language comprehension piece, there may be a degree of prejudice against Dylan Thomas. I had to read “Under Milk Wood” (from which the King Crimson LP title Starless & Bible Black comes) for A levels which turned me back on to him. But Bob is a better poet than Dylan in the fullness of things.

I’ve had this rant before about the number of new songs which lift wholesale from old ones. Last time it was Neneh Cherry and Supertramp. This morning I was assaulted by a reggae-styled song with the lyrics “Just call me Angel, my darling, Angel” which not only steals the melody directly from the great “Angel of the Morning” but damn near steals the words too.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 10:42:23 CEST 2001 from (61.12.197.6)

Erin

To Tommy,

I have long since given up trying to know any details about Dylan's pre- Greenwich Village life. He tells too many different stories to too many different people. Maybe its a form of protection or a way of participating in the mythic world of his songs, or maybe its a habit. In Elliott Landy's book he says that Richard Manuel warned him not to take some things Dylan said too seriously because the chances were Dylan was fooling around. Or to take another, less commented on example, when Dylan was writing the songs for 'Desire' he told an interviewer that he was reading Joseph Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness.' Maybe he was, but 'Black Diamond Bay' shows the influence of Conrad's 'Victory' not 'Heart of Darkness.'

I've heard both stories about Dylan's name. I know Dylan read a lot of poetry so I wouldn't be surprised if he did name himself after Thomas. I have absolutly no good reason for thinking this, but i've always assumed that the whole 'Dillion' thing was just to throw people off.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 07:38:17 CEST 2001 from i188-224.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.188.224)

tom marshman

The Kink,s:Arthur and the Rise and Fall of the.....is to Great Britain what The Band,s Brown Album is to America.I just finished listening to the former last night and continue to be amazed at how well Ray Davies is able to comment on things British.I think his social commentary is a little stronger than The Band,s tho.Seeing as there is a lot of talk about threads on this site are there any connections between the two groups?

Posted on Thu Apr 26 06:23:27 CEST 2001 from 082.dsl6660163.dhcp.rcsis.com (66.60.163.82)

Bashful Bill

I'm on sabbatical fron Upstate NY, fighting jet lag in the Golden State.I'm not even sure if this post will make it, I'm guesting on my nephew's hotmail account. Live 2X5 is a good Nitty Gritty album, worth checking out, IMHO.In a couple days i'll be in LW territory, after I get back home hopefully I can make a belated post to the used music thread. nice to see peaceful music disussions goin on around here.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 06:11:20 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.178)

Bayou Sam

David Powell = WOW!, I guess you've heard of Jimmy Bryant. I enjoyed the info in your post so much that I printed it. I have an older guitar playing uncle that turned me on to Bryant. I've only managed to find one CD in a record store with him and Speedy West. I see stuff on eBay, but it goes for pretty big bucks. My uncle met him at a music store in Nashville in the late 60's. He was playing and my unc says he was amazing. I didn't know as much as you posted about him - thanks.

Crabby = I know what you mean about the sitar - but - whenever I've watched the Concert for Bangladesh, I find that when Ravi comes on at the beginning and plays his long set - I start off kind of thinking about just spinning ahead to the rock stuff. But after awhile the sitar music grabs me, and by the end I'm fixed on it and in awe at the incredible talent that Ravi Shankar has. He has a great command and respect for the instrument.... I always liked the story that George Harrison tells, where he is sitting on the floor with Ravi taking an early sitar lesson, when George's phone rings. George lays the sitar down, and goes to step over it to get to the phone. Ravi slaps George on the foot and tells him it's disrespectful to step over the sitar. I bet the Beatles didn't get slapped much.

Jan = congrats on your latest "pat on the back". It's well deserved.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 06:07:41 CEST 2001 from ip132.chicago38.il.pub-ip.psi.net (38.33.46.132)

Pat Brennan

One of the main reasons the Dylan/Hawks tour made such a big impression in England was that Dylan brought his own PA with him. It was much bigger and more powerful than what British bands were used to; recall that the Beatles played Shea Stadium with a bunch of Vox Grenadier PA columns--I think there were four or six relatively small speakers in each, which means nobody in Shea would have been able to hear much even if the girls were all quiet. Even newcomers to the concert scene commented on the size and power of Dylan's PA, and how loud the music was.

As far as musicians commenting on the show--which in the case of Royal Albert Hall wasn't all that good--Gary Brooker of later Procol Harum fame claimed the experience made him adopt the Hawks' piano-organ setup.

And let's face it: the Stones could do their RnB thing, but they couldn't match Robbie and Garth for brilliance. Add Dylan up front, Rick and Mickey Jones pounding the pavement, and Richard filling in the holes, and you have something the Stones could only dream about. While you're at it, compare Shea Stadium to RAH and you'll see pretty easily why the Beatles were so impressed.

One thing, Hank. All three bands came up playing the clubs, which in my mind is what makes a bunch of musicians into a band. A&R geniuses think otherwise.

Posted on Thu Apr 26 04:23:37 CEST 2001 from dialup-364.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.108)

HANK

MATTK raises an interesting point.....What DID other bands think of The Hawks backing Dylan in 1966?.......I don't have ANY idea or have read contemporanius reports...but there is some quote from Dylan somewhere explaining why, to both Keiths Richards and Moon why Dylan thought The Hawks were the BEST band in the world....as opposed to The Stones and The Who.......It's obvious to everyone, at this stage, that The Hawks were one hot live band WITH a history by 1965...However, they got precious little studio time or Media exposure for it........unlike The Beatles, who it could be argued, because of Hamburg and Liverpool, were just as hot........ live, playing RAW Rock'n' Roll with at least THREE dominanat vocalists........ To answer your question Matt....I remember Paul McCartney, during "The Making of Sgt. Pepper" show, saying everyone in London went a bit loopy in 1967 because Dylan had been thru the year before (with The Hawks) and blew everyones mind........

Makes sense to me......

Posted on Thu Apr 26 03:30:08 CEST 2001 from spider-wc042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.37)

Ben Pike

Tommy, everybody knows about that and Garth does "Feed The Birds" from Mary Poppins. The album is well worth having for that and some other stuff, including the farewell of Harry Nilson. Anyway, perhaps seaping out of Capital early, I just scored the reissues of ISLANDS and NORTHERN LIGHTS. I'll review all the bonus tracks when I have them all...

Posted on Thu Apr 26 02:40:57 CEST 2001 from spider-wo064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.49)

Tommy

Hey, I was looking on eBay for some Tom Waits stuff and came across a cd (that I read about in a recent Waits biography) of Disney cover songs.Waits does the Seven Dwarf's work song 'Hi-Ho', Ringo does 'When You Wish Upon A Star'..and there are other people I've forgotten that do covers of some of these Disney classics,including GARTH HUDSON!!! It didn't specify what song HE does in the eBay description.Does anyone know?Does anyone have this cd?Is it worth bidding on?(well, hearing Waits do 'Hi-Ho', I'd say it was!)I'm gonna look in this sites discography for any news on Garth's contribution.

And speaking of Dylan and Joan Baez...I am currently reading in the new 'Vanity Fair' (I took it from my hospitalized grandmother cause of this article) about Dylan & Baez and the early days of the Greenwich Village folk scene, and how Bobby and Joan first hooked up.It's a really good article. In depth, alot of interviews, good pictures and good quotes.It runs about 7 or 8 pages long!Check it out if you're interested in this kinda thing, folks!

The article says Dylan took his surname from the 1950s 'Gunsmoke' character MATT DILLION (then changed it to DYLAN later cause it read better that way).I've always heard and read that he adopted the name because he was a fan of poet Dylan Thomas!Is that wrong?Im sure someone here can clear this up for me.......

Posted on Thu Apr 26 00:43:46 CEST 2001 from (209.19.78.25)

frank dracman

I have 2 dirt band cds and they are the 2 "circle's".

The original is old time country that is a classic. #2 is very good also. I have the video for it too. If you like the people on it, you'll like it. Most of them are 1 name people helm (his own and also shares a verse w/emmy lou on the finale big chorus), prine, hiatt, mcguinn/hillman, cash{s}.

on video the drummer says about levon, "he came and said let's work and he did and then said let's party and we did"

Posted on Thu Apr 26 00:38:13 CEST 2001 from cr514777-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.57.20)

Stanley Landau

Driving home from work just now, I heard a cut on the radio by a band called Northern Pikes. It’s an old song from 1993 called “Girl With a Problem”. Band connection? Garth plays the organ. In addition to his usual sweetening of the track he takes a wonderful solo. There’s nothing like driving up Yonge Street with the windows down, the radio loud and Garthian cadences pouring out the speakers. For those who are interested, Northern Pikes recently regrouped and put out a new album this year. I haven’t heard it but I highly recommend their old stuff. There’s at least one other song, where I believe Garth plays accordion. (I believe he actually appeared in one of their videos.)

Posted on Thu Apr 26 00:34:49 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

I was just wonderin' how long it was going to take for someone to come up with Robbie Robertson's children performing with him......except Alexandra
Coors Family from Ireland
Rankin family from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Osmonds

......and the beat goes on and on........

some couples in bands:

Sonny and Cher
Debbie Harry and Chris Stein
Rita and Bob Marley
Yoko Ono and John Lennon
Linda and Paul McCartney
Bob Dylan and Joan Baez (performed together many times)
Grace Slick and Paul Kantner
John McVie and Christine McVie
Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks
Sarah McLachlan and Drummer
Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz
Michelle and John Phillips
Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart
Bruuuuuce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa

and the beat goes on........

Does anyone know for sure if Cat Stevens (Steven Demetre Georgiou) played the bouzouki on Rubylove?

Richard: I live in second hand music shops and bookstores......last purchase......"The Last Time I Committed Suicide".....jazz soundtrack featuring Blakey, Davis, Fitzgerald, Mingus, Monk, Parker, Dianne Reeves and......Cassandra Wilson. Last music publication bought......"Schwam Spectrum featuring Lou Reed Experiences Ecstasy The Hard Way" and last book purchased......"Encounters With Bob Dylan".....another musical hero of mine.......

Posted on Thu Apr 26 00:15:59 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

Dirt Band "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" is a classic. They came out with a second version of it in the 80's and Levon is on it. I have never heard the second one.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 23:19:30 CEST 2001 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

I was just thinking about this Pink Floyd/Band thread.

Has anybody else noticed the line in Pink Floyd's "Have A Cigar." "The band is just fantastic that is really what I think...oh by the way, which one's Pink?" I know that this refers to who exactly is Pink Floyd but it is rather amusing to analyze since we are all Band fans and their first album being, "Music From Big Pink."

AHROOO!!

Posted on Wed Apr 25 23:19:11 CEST 2001 from delrioip2059.delrio.com (64.132.19.59)

Just Wonderin'

Family members performing together? Robbie Robertson performed with his son Sebastian and his daughter Delphine on the "Making a Noise" video. I think Sebastian also performed with them maybe in Italy around the time of "The Music for The Native Americans".

Posted on Wed Apr 25 23:04:06 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

mattk

I second Bob Wigo's endorsement of Pete Townshend's site. It's by far the best music site where the subject is directly involved to that degree. As a resource, it doesn't come close to Jan's site here, but Pete is actively involved in his site, posting diaries and working with his webmaster to upgrade to get more stuff out - much of which you won't find anywhere else. For example (picking up on the recent Thunderclap Newman thread), Pete recently digitized some very old and rare personal recordings he did with Thunderclap.

He even asked his web denizens if they were interested in a whole album (the lack of response was apparently deafening). It's blunt, funny, rude and inciteful. Everything I always loved about Pete. Well worth the click.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 22:57:32 CEST 2001 from spider-te043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.193)

Tommy

Thanks everyone who answered me..For some reason, I ALWAYS forget to check this site before I ask (I remembered right after I posted the 2nd time).Im a fool.

I just got the Elliot Landy 'The Band in Woodstock, 1968' print I ordered...It's really nice! I'm gonna get a frame for it and give it to my brother for his birthday.I'm sure he'll like it (he better..or I'll keep it for myself).Tim, the fella that you buy the prints from, is a prompt and curteous guy.I got my item in a matter of days.Once again, if you wanna spend the money, I recommend!!! a nice addition to anyones BAND collection.

To end this, can anyone suggest a good 'Nitty Gritty Dirt Band' cd? I wanna give em a listen...

Posted on Wed Apr 25 22:24:53 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

family thread: My apologies if I missed it in my quick scroll through, but I didn't see a mention of the Danko brothers.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 21:46:14 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.162)

bob wigo

MattK's mention of Pete Townshend reminded me to post Pete's website above. This site is, without a doubt, one of the very best I have seen. The graphics are marvelous and the content is kept fresh and informative. The regular updates Townshend himself provides and the downloads he makes available make it a worthwhile cyber-stop.

HIGHLY recommended!!!

Posted on Wed Apr 25 21:19:07 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

mattk

On a separate thread, I was thinking about the Lou Reed/RR story recently and got to thinking. Prior to becoming The Band, how were the Hawks perceived by other rock and roll bands of their era, especially outside of Canada?

Specifically, I was thinking that we know a lot about how the folkies despised them for "corrupting" Dylan. Reciprocally, how did rock-and-rollers, around the US and in Europe, feel about them? Did they go to shows and come out feeling "holy shit, they're awesome," or was there as sense the Dylan was dabbling?

Surely the Lennons, Townshends, Jaggers, Claptons (all firmly established by 1966) went to check out Dylan with his new band in the Spring of 1966. Has anyone ever read any quotes, either contemporaniously or after the fact?

Just curious.

Matt K

Posted on Wed Apr 25 21:13:21 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

matt k

Tommy, RR's last solo record was "Contact from the Underworld of Red Boy," which was released in (April?) 1998 (see http://theband.hiof.no/albums/contact_from_the_underworld_of_red_boy.html). Some of this music made it's way onto the "Any Given Sunday" soundtrack as well.

Since returning to solo work, RR usually averages between 3 - 4 years between releases, meaning he's about due. However, RR has also been one to produce an album when the mood strikes him. Having spent the last two albums exploring his Native American roots, it may very well be that he's run his current tangent to it's logical end. He made the point at the time that "Storyville" was a culmination of his American South explorations which began with his first trip to Arkansas in the beginning of his Hawks days.

Whether he's looking for new areas to explore (a la Paul Simon) as inspiration would probably determine what he does next. To the chagrin of some here, it *seems* that RR is focusing on his "A&R" interests with Dreamworks. While I agree that the Nicky Love site is cheesy and she is being packaged as yet another "angsty bimbo in waiting," I've not listened to her stuff enough to dismiss her musical endeavors out of hand. Personally, I reserve judgement of her musical contribution until I've had a chance to give her a good listen.

I believe that dismissing someone for how they are packaged is no better than embracing for someone for how they are packaged. Either case shows a lot shallowness on the part of the person making the judgement, IMHO.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 21:08:15 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

W. C. Handy Awards are on May 24th in Memphis with Dr. John hosting the affair. "The Handy All Star Band will be led by Bob Margolin and will feature Duke Robillard on guitar, Willie Kent on bass, pianist Pinetop Perkins, LEVON HELM on drums and Kim Wilson on harmonica." Other attendees inlude Taj Mahal and "Gatemouth" Brown. I read this on Billboard.com yesterday and thought you would want to know.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 20:17:42 CEST 2001 from gatekeeper.gklaw.com (216.54.246.2)

Dave

Does anyone have 4 tickets to the Jeff Tweedy show at Abbey Pub in Chicago on May 4th?

Posted on Wed Apr 25 19:13:32 CEST 2001 from (205.204.186.162)

jack

I saw Rick Danko at a club here in the Bluegrass just days before he passed away. I was just thinking of how incredible that performance was. It was so surreal to watch that guy sing from a few feet away. Passionate stuff, man. Meeting him briefly after the show, I realized what a friendly soul Rick was. Putting a personality to that great voice I have loved since I can remember made the songs even better to hear.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 17:19:03 CEST 2001 from spider-ta071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.76)

Dave Z

The Breeze Hill site says JAM! by Professor Louie and the Crowmatix is going to be released 5/15... I can't wait!!!

Posted on Wed Apr 25 17:16:14 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Don't know why I put the word which in the 3rd line. Sorry

Posted on Wed Apr 25 17:14:59 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Just download The Band pictures from the "Corbis" site. They are $3.00 each. To find them which is not as easy as you would think. Too many key words come to mind. Just type the photographers name and then in quotations "The Band" You will get to them eventually. Pictures of John Sebastian and many others will come up; but it's easier than typing in "Woodstock" and getting over 3000 pictures. They are good quality. They are only available for download and you cannot order them as prints. I also downloaded the Woodstock General Store; which I have always liked. I don't know what I will do if I ever want to order prints from this site; because they don't ship anywhere outside the U.S.A.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 17:13:43 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

The Big Star/That 70s show song is called "In the Street".

Posted on Wed Apr 25 17:03:28 CEST 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

family members: Walela (Rita and Priscilla Coolidge + Laura Satterfield), Daughers of Eve (Tam och Tascha Amabile), early Straycats (actually Tomcats with Brian and Gary Setzer), Faithless (Dido and her brother), Johnny Burnette Rock'n Roll Trio (Johnny and Dorsey), The Cochran Brothers (Eddie and Hank), Jackson family (whatever their names are), Steve, Stacey and Patrick Earle (sometimes playing together), ... and last but not least: Jake and Elwood Blues.

And didn't Levon sing with his sister in the beginning of his career? Anyone got any live tapes of those performances? :)

Posted on Wed Apr 25 16:43:36 CEST 2001 from spider-te061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.201)

Donna

This is off the topic, but I was curious about a possible Band connection, and was wondering if anyone maybe able to help me out with this one. I just went into, Jesse Colin Young, website and noticed that there just maybe a link here. I noticed that Jesse Colin Young, plays often in Schenectady, NY, where I believe is Chris O'Leary's hometown, and Levon and The BarnBurner's play. He was also involved in benefits from Greenpeace, (Rick Danko?) to Native American issues, (Robbie Robertson?). He has been known to have played with Tom Pacheco, which Rick has played with. There just seems to be so much in common with some of the Band members. If anyone has any information, I would appreciate it. BTW: For anyone interested, Jesse Colin Young, will be playing at the Main Point, in Bryn Mawr, PA, on June 7th.

~Thank you~

Posted on Wed Apr 25 16:08:11 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517185.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.56)

Richard

BRENT and BRIEN: So what's the song called? Big Star/Alex Chilton was great... but I guess I don't remember the opening of the TV show...

Posted on Wed Apr 25 15:59:51 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Actually the theme from "That 70s Show" was written by Big Star and *performed* by Cheap Trick for the show. The song originally appeared on their 72 LP "#1 Record", which, along with their other releases, is a gem. Alex Chilton of Box Tops fame co-led the group. Definitely worth checking out for fans of Beatles, Byrds, Badfinger...

Posted on Wed Apr 25 15:44:09 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

The theme song for That 70's Show was written by Cheap Trick..,

Posted on Wed Apr 25 15:22:34 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517185.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.56)

Richard

JOHN D. Is your interview with Howard Sounes on the air Thursday morning ? If not, where and when could we hear it? Ask him a couple Band questions ok? : )

SITARS: Ah yes psychedelia... Pink Floyd! The masterful sound effects men... As I remember Pink Floyd, they were always trying to create some sort of sonic diversion in the listener... But sound effects can be had cheaper these days, and what your left listening to is the song-writing, which was just average... to me. Best Roger Waters Moment: Garth's sax solo on the Wall video.

I'm grateful for any one who picked up 'Music From Big Pink' by mistake, thinking it was a Pink Floyd album... Hey, it musta happened, right?

Posted on Wed Apr 25 12:55:23 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Some more family members who perform together:
Levon and Amy Helm
The Marley children......Ziggy (David), Stephen, Cedella and Sharon of The Melody Makers......and Damian "Jr. Tough Gong", Julian and Kymani who ......did a great cover of Bob Marley's "Get Up Stand Up with Ben Harper at a Bob Marley Fest.....which was all about.......Peace Love and Unity

Posted on Wed Apr 25 12:21:24 CEST 2001 from dialup-258.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.2)

HANK

The sitar, eh?..........Long boring ragas, what?....What the heck sre sitars doing in here? I thought the whole point of The Band was, like, in 1968, dude...when everyone else was wiggin' out to bands with, like, sitars and tambouras, that, like, y'know, you put on "Big Pink" and showed everyone how REALLY cool you were ........'cos you were hip to the latest Rock'n'Roll from North America.......

Actually, I LOVE the sound of a sitar....The Incredible String Band song "The Half Remarkable Question" is a knockout........

What is it that we are part of and what is it that we ARE?

Posted on Wed Apr 25 11:01:37 CEST 2001 from dialpool-210-214-131-71.maa.sify.net (210.214.131.71)

hemanth

cool site

Posted on Wed Apr 25 07:20:15 CEST 2001 from 1cust60.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.60)

Crabgrass

I would say that both Brian Jones and George Harrison took the sitar to a higher level by introducing it into the rock genre. Sure, Ravi Shankar can play lots of notes and somewhat faster - but who's counting? I'll take "Paint It Black" or "Norwegian Wood" any day over one of those long boring ragas.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 07:04:49 CEST 2001 from 1cust240.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.16.48.240)

rollie

More about the Band www.astridmm.com/prouty/

Posted on Wed Apr 25 06:53:20 CEST 2001 from ip14.chicago37.il.pub-ip.psi.net (38.33.45.14)

Pat Brennan

Tommy, your answer was exactly three mouse clicks away. Instead of waiting, next time follow your curiosity.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 05:57:51 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

I don't know about you; but I have always wondered why Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary Concert has not gone to DVD yet. I may have got my answer is the new Dylan Bio; which David Powell and I reported is well worth the read and the money.

Author Howard Sounes indicates that although the CD and VHS video sold well for "a couple of months", sales dropped quickly. I would have thought the CD and VHS tape would have sold very well worldwide.......then again we all know that Bob Dylan's amazing talent and his positioning in the annals of music; has not always measured up that way at the cash register. I've often thought that would make a great thesis. A man who has the greatest respect of more than one generation and the respect of all his peers, including the Beatles; has always been a much "bigger than life" figure socially than when it came to record sales. By the way he has sold over 56 million records; which ain't too bad! He still remains to me my favorite artist of all time.

I am interviewing Mr. Sounes on Thursday morning from England and I look forward to it.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 05:51:07 CEST 2001 from 209-69-102-154.hsacorp.net (209.69.102.154)

Bobbi

Tommy, Robbie's last album was "Contact From the Underworld of Redboy," released in early 1998, February I think.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 05:34:01 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Yikes!......I forgot to mention from my music collection a few more groups that consist of some family members:

Robbie Robertson's and my favourite gospel group.....Roebuck "Pop", Mavis, Cleo and Yvonne (replaced Pervis) of The Staple Singers
Rita and Priscilla Coolidge perform on Robbie Robertson's last recording of "Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy"
K-CI and JoJo (formerly of Jodeci)..........

Posted on Wed Apr 25 05:28:41 CEST 2001 from host-216-76-148-228.bna.bellsouth.net (216.76.148.228)

BWNWITennessee

Does anyone know what the theme song from "That '70s Show" is? It doesn't sound like something written expressly for the show.

Favorite maracas player - Jerome Green.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 05:26:54 CEST 2001 from spider-tk033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.188)

Tommy

...I'm waiting for an answer...

Posted on Wed Apr 25 04:55:11 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

As I was listening to some Motown music this evening......Gladys Knight And The Pips were singing and I thought about all the groups in my music collection who have family members in the same group such as:

Gladys Knight and her brother Merald Jr. and two cousins William and Elenor Guest and cousin James "Pip" Woods their manager of Gladys Knight And The Pips
John and Tom Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
Alvin and Rick Lee of Ten Years After
Brian, Carl and Dennis (the only surfer) of The Beach Boys
Phil and Don Everly of The Everly Brothers
Aaron, Charles and Cyril of The Neville Brothers
Neil and Tim Finn of Crowded House (sometimes together) and their first band Split Enz
Kate and Anna of The McGarrigle Sisters
Margo, Peter, Michael and John Timmins of The Cowboy Junkies

Some artists that aren't in my music collection:
Noel and Liam Gallagher of Oasis
Branford and Wynton Marsalis
Gwen Stefani and her brother in the beginning of their career from No Doubt..........

Favourite sitar players......the incomparable Ravi Shankar and Brian Jones

Norbert: Ik zal erover nadenken.......

Posted on Wed Apr 25 03:42:54 CEST 2001 from pm451-03.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.61)

twilight

Syd Barrett is not dead. He is pretty shy these days - but I count him as living.

Posted on Wed Apr 25 02:43:20 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I just watched That 70's Show.., the show cracks me up. I went to High School in the mid, to late 70's and there's parts of that show that bring back memories - Even though the shows focus is early to mid seventies - the sets, the clothes, color schemes are great replica's of what i recall of that era.., And the scenes in the basement with the rotating camera(great technique) with the ever so light hint of smoke.., what can i say-great stuff!

Posted on Tue Apr 24 23:09:34 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-033.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.33)

Peter Viney

I never thought Roger Waters was a good bass player but he did have an eye for spectacle, but that aside, a Sid Barrett retrospective was released yesterday in the Uk, remastered and all that hype. I noticed it, but wisely was too busy buying Universal's latest box THE IN CROWD, the Mod Scene 1958-67 which has some superb "minor league" soul on it.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 22:49:34 CEST 2001 from dhcp58148.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.148)

FRED (big tuna) Funk

Will Doctor Pepper be goin down to the show in schanectady (sp)? Sure would like to meet up with ya at the Levon Helm show. Shoooot noww, perhaps we could do some walleye fishin up on the Sacandanga Reservoir. I hear they're hittin worms.. What a great weekend; the good Doctor my pole and some hungry walleyes.. Course lots will have to do with the snow melt.. the snowpack up in there is the deepest in years and its goin off fast right now. Wouldn't want ta git swept away or nothin. Your Pal Fred

Posted on Tue Apr 24 22:34:12 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb031.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.31)

Dave (the drummer)

ATTENTION: According to our ol' pal Butch, the Pittsburgh performance by THE BARNBURNERS at Moondog's has been changed to Sun. May 20th. See y'all there.

DAVE

Posted on Tue Apr 24 22:32:33 CEST 2001 from ts1-21.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.21)

Cupid

W.S. Walcot: I've always enjoyed Pink Floyd, Darkside of the Moon is still a great listen.It's production values are outstanding [hello Alan Parsons]. I would agree with those who have said the post Floyd output from Waters and the reconstituted Floyd does not come close to what they did together, although some of it is still agreeable [Water's Radio Kaos and Dave Gilmour's solo work "about Face" is a particular fave].Sadly Syd Barrett slid down the curtain and joined the choir invisable a couple of years ago.According to Dave Gilmour he showed up at a Floyd recording session not too long before he passed and nobody recognized him....Peace Cupid

Posted on Tue Apr 24 21:18:02 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

John Cass

A great song that looks into the school system and some teachers is a song titled Flowers are Red by Harry Chapin on his Legends of the lost and Found album. The song originated from Harry seeing a report card I think of one of his freinds kid. The teacher wrote in the card "your son marches to the beat of a different drummer, but don't worry we will have hime marching with the rest of the band soon" (I don't remember the excact words but it was something to that affect) Well Harry was angered at this and wrote that song. It deals with some teachers that don't let there students be creative and express there creativity and try to make them all fit the same mold. The songs worth a listen to all that have been talking about education system in this GB.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 21:09:09 CEST 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

How about a couple of good guitarists who also dabbled with steel guitars & good some good sound out of them: Jerry Garcia and Ron Wood......

Posted on Tue Apr 24 20:57:03 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Jimmy Bryant (1925-1980)

"I loved his technique, the incredible speed and definition in his playing, and his choice of notes. It was kind of country swing without being too far out. I just like what he was doing with the guitar; I think it was more exciting than what else was going on at the time. He was getting this great sound out of his Telecaster when a lot of people playing that type of music would have been playing on a hollowbody Gibson."
-- Albert Lee speaking to Rich Kienzle in a March 1985 article on Jimmy Bryant in Guitar Player Magazine

Jimmy Bryant was born in Moultrie, Goergia in 1925. As a child he was tought to play the fiddle by his sharecropper father. During World War II, Bryant taught himself how to play the guitar while recovering from wounds suffered while serving in the infantry in Germany. He was influenced by the jazz guitar recordings he listened to, particularly those of Django Reinhardt.

After the war, Bryant eventually moved out to California where he earned a living as an extra in western films and playing country music at night in bars around Los Angeles. It was there that he met steel guitarist Speedy West. They began playing together on "barn dance" radio shows that featured such West Coast stars as Merle Travis, Ferlin Husky, Tennesee Ernie Ford and Johnny Horton.

Bryant and West would become the core of Capitol Records studio band in the early '50s, backing up such artists as Tennesee Ernie Ford and Jean Shepard. While Nashville had begun watering down its version of country music, the country music scene in California, centered in Bakersfield, injected its version of country music with the vitality of the hybrid blend of jazz & country known as western swing. Bryant and West became the ultimate guitar / steel duo, with Bryant's dazzling speed & precision and West's bold, adventuresome pedal steel style. Bryant became one of the first guitarist to begin playing Leo Fender's then-new solid-body guitar, which would come to be known as the Telecaster. The fast, low action of the neck, the cut-away access to all frets and the distinctive biting tone of Mr. Fender's Tele entered into new dimensions of sound in the hands of Jimmy Bryant.

In addition to their session & live dates, Bryant and West recorded their own instrumental albums together on the Capitol label throughout the '50s. The breathtaking speed at which they played often mistakeningly fooled people into thinking that the recordings had somehow been speeded up. But that was no studio trick, that was how they played, live in the studio. Perhaps the best example of this incredible style is the song "Stratosphere Boogie".

Sadly, Bryant's heavy drinking and erratic behavior would help bring about the end of his working relationship with Capitol and Speedy West in the '60s. Bryant, throughout the '60s and '70s worked on his own recording projects, and eventually moved to Nashville. He recorded his own albums and produced & wrote material for others. Waylon Jennings had a hit in '68 with Bryant's composition "The Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line".

Unfortunately, Bryant never did quite fit in with the Nashville establishment and he refused to cowtow to convention. He died of lung cancer in 1980. His gravestone is engraved with a guitar, his signature and the slogan "Jesus's Guitar Man" (the title to one of his songs).

Jimmy Bryant's influence can be heard in the music of others, such as Roy Buchanan, Danny Gatton, Albert Lee, Junior Brown and Bela Fleck & the Flecktones. Recomended recordings, available on CD include: "Stratosphere Boogie: The Flaming Guitars of Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant" (1995), "Swingin' On The Strings: The Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant Collection, Volume 2" (1999), "Swing West! Vol. 1-3" (1999). All of these recordings were released on the RAZOR & TIE label and feature superb remastered sound by Steve Hoffman.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 20:30:33 CEST 2001 from mat-7-1.enter.net (207.16.156.57)

Little Brøther

Pedal steel? How about Winnie Winston? His "Steel Wool" LP is on my list of "Needs to be Issued on CD".

Posted on Tue Apr 24 19:57:03 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.39)

Lauren

Just typed a great message about teaching the children well and sorry folks-it somehow got erased...what a mystery! "Strange Ways Indeed, most peculiar momma" (John Lennon)..."Predictable" (Ray Davies/Kinks) Teaching the children well. (regarding the beautiful poem/lyrics on the post). An inssue VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND SOUL....Yes, we are in desperate need of doing so. We have some educator ruining cultural environs that disables not only children from learning the real VALUABLE meaning of life, but disabling ORIGINAL educators that could empower and enable positive healing. To have conversations with some young people, by no fault of their own and to compare them with conversations of young people elsewhere who have a much more appropriate and greater understanding of what life and value really is-- is to see how, where, and why our culture is failing and perpetuating misery, rather than true progress and healing. --Showing why these people have only been taught to comprehend the meaning of a dollar and no mention of value in their lives. Let alone our precious LORD who has enabled mere existence. It is illogical and cruel in our society. To teach the children well, you have to be within their sight and they have to hear the voice not only of education, but of TRUE REASON. And understanding. Not of rip-offs. If I was part of a corporation formed on lies and fabrications claiming to be passing on the righteous WORD of education, let's say music in this case, well if that company thrives on teaching the children these "wise" words, then what do they need as continued capital and flowing assets to keep the company running smoothly to pass on "their magical teaching word.." Well, here's a toast of education... More lies and fabrications, otherwise, the company folds. So we are as educated as out teachers show us to be. We live in a society where many great teachers are being ripped off and not paid well enough and they cannot even teach music properly becaue they are not given the right classrooms or equipment and are even freezed out at times PURPOSELY- a curiosity beyond comprehension. Imagine, to have the ability to help peple help themselves and heal and be omitted from doing so. And to be sitting with a great and proper education that only your silence can maintain the definition of, because you have been excluded from teaching the ORIGINAL "arts".. Teach your Children well..... By conscionable means to make the world a better place and by using the statement, "one hand helps the other".. If not, we are in dear trouble. Diamond Lil--Thank you for the original inspiration of this post.. after reading your thoughts on basically, peace and love it made me think of my hero, JOHN LENNON. And as I started to write this 2nd post, I began humming, "IMAGINE"... In Millennia, let's all IMAGINE fairness, that leads to LOVE, that leads to PEACE.... Glen Street..."t'aime...Still. Can't help myself.." Elly.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 19:13:53 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

I just picked up a copy of Gene Clark's A Star For Every Stage cd with Rick and Richard on it, and the sound is great, clear and intimate. I usually only play bootlegs once or twice because of sound quality, but this one is worth it.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 17:37:59 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp236.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.236)

Diamond Lil

It's always been said that music is the universal language, and judging from this website alone, it must be true. It's absolutely mind-boggling to see how many different countries people access this site from. Music must indeed transcend all else.

Which brings me to the reason I'm posting this. I was just listening to an interview with Lt. Shane Osborn, the man who managed to pilot the US reconnaissance plane to a safe landing off the Chinese coast a few weeks ago. He was talking about how the Chinese guards "warmed up" to him and his crew after finding out that they shared a common music interest....The Eagles. One guard even asked them to teach him the words to "Hotel California". I guess just hearing him talk about that, with a bit of a chuckle..made me even more aware of the incredible power of music. Perhaps someday, there'll be no more wars and no more weapons. Just Music. And Peace.

Thanks for listening.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 17:37:10 CEST 2001 from (216.73.6.162)

Dave Hopkins

Charlie Young's got a great "Top Ten" steel players list and I would only add (to make it "Top Twelve," I guess): Lloyd Maines and Greg Leisz. And it's an interesting point that the Band never used pedal steel, despite the "country rock" label...of course, the Eagles were supposed to be "country rock" too, for what that's worth...

Posted on Tue Apr 24 17:28:59 CEST 2001 from adsl-63-206-231.bhm.bellsouth.net (208.63.206.231)

SCOTT FLEISIG

A personal request, I saw where Amy Helm took a few turns at the mic, and i'm sure she was fantastic. Is there a web-site where i can hear sing? We were at Madison together, and I haven't heard her voice in ten years...would be a nice little nostalgia trip. thanks in advance -fly

Posted on Tue Apr 24 16:21:27 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Charlie: Thanks for the steel-players list. I was listening to your number one, Buddy Emmons, the night before last - as a participant in the excellent Dewey Martin's Medicine Ball, Dewey's only solo effort post Buffalo Springfield. (Avid readers will recall that I talked a bit about Dewey last week in relation to Sneaky Pete Kleinow, another on Charlie's list.) I used to own a Lenny Breau / Buddy Emmons LP from the late '70s, but parted with it somewhere along the way.

Another player worth considering is Neil Flanz, who did a stint with Ian and Sylvia before moving along to Gram Parson's late-in-life group (with ND Smart and others). And maybe the Commander Cody guy too.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 15:08:43 CEST 2001 from pluto.king.ac.uk (141.241.2.14)

Victoria

Hello All! Victoria here and still in London...I'll be back in 1 month and look forward to hearing some Barnburners soon! A big hello to everyone...Butch, Pat, Frankie, Chris, Levon and Amy! The site looks great!!!

Posted on Tue Apr 24 14:58:42 CEST 2001 from (198.173.6.246)

Tom Garvey

For Diamond Lil and others jonesin' for Studs Terkel:

Studs is still on the radio in Chicago occasionally, on WBEZ. My wife and I ran into him in a restaurant a couple of months ago, wearing his trademark red plaid shirt (with tie). He's still looking pretty spry.

If you search the web site above in the "audio archives" you can get streaming audio of some of his recent apperances.

Enjoy

Tom

Posted on Tue Apr 24 13:11:15 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

I would like to dedicate this song to my students and all the students in the small apple who survived three weeks of no support staff in their schools....includes secretaries, caretakers and assistants to teachers. I have an autistic student who is integrated into the regular classroom who had to cope without his assistant.......we survived too. Now the students are not allowed to attend school until the strike is over.......

"Teach the gifted children, teach them to have mercy
Teach them about sunsets, teach them about moonrise
Teach them about anger, the sin that comes with dawning
Teach them about flowers and the beauty of forgetfulness
Then take me to the river and put me in the water
Bless them and forgive them, Father cause they just don't know

All the gifted children, teach the gifted children
The ways of men and animals
Teach them about cities, the history of the mysteries
Their vices and their virtues
About branches that blow in the wind
Or the wages of their sins
Teach them of forgiveness, teach them about mercy
Teach them about music
And the cool and cleansing water
Teach the gifted children
All the gifted children"

"Teach The Gifted Children" by Louuuu Reed

Also as I am thinking about my students who I miss......I just remembered that when I saw the reggae group Black Uhuru (Black Freedom) open for The Clash.....they sang a song they wrote for the youth in the neighbourhood where I teach....."Youth Of Eglinton"........

Richard P and Cupid....... :-D

Posted on Tue Apr 24 12:32:58 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp71.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.71)

Diamond Lil

I had a dream about Rick last night. Actually, it wasn't _about_ him..but he was in it...and as bizzarre as this is going to sound...it was wonderful to 'see' him again. It kind of reiterated the fact that he's still here... and that's a nice thing to know.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 07:27:54 CEST 2001 from spider-wa082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.57)

Bayou Sam

I had a couple of good "finds" over the weekend. I was over at my parents house going through YEARS of stuff that I accumulated. So, amongst a pile of magazines that I haven't looked at in ages, I found the 1984 Modern Drummer mag with Levon on the cover - the 1987 Musician mag with RR on the cover, and a 1978 issue of Circus mag. with RR on the cover and an article about TLW inside. Who knows what else I'll find.

There were two cool articles in last Sundays N.Y. Times. One was on the Delta Blues, and how the "true" Delta blues players are down to a precious few people. The articles spotlights a few old guys that have LIVED and played the blues. One guy barres his chords with a butter knife because he was stricken with polio when he was a kid. It's a nice article if you can get a copy........The other one was about a guy in the Baltimore area who started to attend Country music concerts in the late 50's, and tape them on reel-to-reel tape. This was in the pre-bootleg era, so often times he was allowed to set his machine right up on the front of the stage. He apparantly has an incredible collection of never before heard stuff - live - from Bill Monroe to Johnny Cash, and everyone in between. He has about 4000 hours of taped shows. It's an incredible story.

Another great steel player was Speedy West. He played with one of the best guitar players ever. A guy named Jimmy Bryant. Anyone else familiar with Bryant?

Posted on Tue Apr 24 05:30:37 CEST 2001 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

I been away for a long time. Is everybody still alive and well?

Posted on Tue Apr 24 05:25:10 CEST 2001 from spider-to041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.61)

butch

i hate to post 2X in the same day, but,, on that list of pedal steel players,,,

BUCKY BAXTER,,,,,,,,,,& Jerry Garcia ( New Riders )

,,,,,& i agree, ( as if anyone asked me, ) Rusty Young,,,,,,a friggin genius,,,,

thass all,

Posted on Tue Apr 24 05:23:28 CEST 2001 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Pink Floyd. Who cares about them anyway? They r a boring, pretentious, self indulgent bunch of wimps. Have they finally died and gone away? Where is Syd Barrett anyway?

Posted on Tue Apr 24 05:05:48 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

Studs did a great book on Americans and how much they liked their jobs. He is a great journalist. I like his stuff!

Posted on Tue Apr 24 04:23:43 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

It's interesting to me that despite the "country rock" label slapped on them in 1970 by TIME magazine, The Band never featured that definitive country instrument, the pedal steel guitar. With the recent top ten guitarist thread here, I've come up with ten favorite steel players:

1. Buddy Emmons

2. Jay Dee Maness

3. Red Rhodes

4. Pete Drake

5. "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow

6. Ben Keith

7. Rusty Young

8. Al Perkins

9. Buddy Cage

10. a tie among Weldon Myrick (of "Area Code 615" fame), David Lindley (really a lap steel/"Hawaiian guitar" player), and Reuben "Lucky Oceans" Gosfield (of Asleep at the Wheel).

Posted on Tue Apr 24 04:13:54 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Ahhhh Pink Floyd..., Being one of the best less than average bass players around, I can tell you that Floyd bass riffs were rather simple (most of the time) Waters is a great writer- but here we have the same dilema as The Band(to a degree) - None of the members of Floyd ever equaled or surpassed what they did as a unit! I thought Momentary Lapse of Reason was a solid effort and the tour was great (i never got the opportunity to see then as FLOYD - missed the Wall tour -too young for the others)After that it was all rehash and Division Bell was a waste. Saw the second Floyd go 'round and it was nothing but a bigger version of the first tour. I never saw Waters tour, though I heard from one friend that he was Great! (Clapton on guitar for that one) and the second one (no EC) was average at best. Niether outfit really ever did anything groundbreaking. I will say as a note, the post LW Band and RR made far superior records than did Waters or new Floyd.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 03:52:25 CEST 2001 from pm455-21.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.31)

twilight

Roger Waters is most definetly a master songwriter - his style is unique and his vision unmatched. As a bass player, he left much of it up to David Gilmour, the extraordinary guitar player in Pink Floyd. According to dave, waters didn't practice much and had little interest in playing bass. Roger used to give some of the awards he won for his bass playing to Gilmour, and they had a good laugh about it. It's too bad that they don't realize how much they need each other.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 03:42:01 CEST 2001 from spider-tk071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.206)

Ben Pike

Lil: Yeah, a few of us have heard of Studs Turkel. In fact, I used to have a cassette of an interview he did with Dylan, 63 I think, that they would sometimes replay on Chicago's WFMT.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 02:52:17 CEST 2001 from 2cust89.tnt59.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.42.170.89)

King Whistle

Used Record Store Thread: Picked up Jesse Winchester's first (prod. RR) on original Ampex label last week. I get a kick out of such things, but the wife rolls her eyes when I burst through the door with my latest discovery.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 02:33:51 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.154)

butch

Just A Reminder,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Levon Helm & The Barn Burners ( no bobby keys )@ the Van Dyck, in Schenectady, NY,,,,,

This Friday, April 27th,,,, Blues with a Feeling,,,,,,,,,, See ya There,,, bd

Posted on Tue Apr 24 02:05:09 CEST 2001 from rash1-108.upland.in.hypervine.net (216.117.91.108)

Brooke

Carmen: Roger Waters is a master bass player, song writer, etc. I highly recommend is album "Amused To Death." Jeff Beck is lead guitar player on the album. Floyd sucks without Waters.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 01:26:53 CEST 2001 from ts1-2.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.2)

Cupid

Richard: I saw that Lou Reed Video eons ago and I still laugh when i think about that goon following Lou into the green room at the end of the gig.Lou was talking about how he hit a particular note and it about lifted him off the stage. Well this git interupts Lou and asks Lou if he ment a note on the guitar. It's worth watching just for Lou's response, he gives the guy an incredulous look and says "ahh yeah" but his tone said "No spaz on the tuba" great stuff. gotta love Lou...peace Cupid.

Posted on Tue Apr 24 01:26:16 CEST 2001 from spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.183)

Tommy

What, and when, was Robbie's last album anyway? (And I mean REAL album, not coordinator and incidental background music a la 'Any Given Sunday'.)

Posted on Tue Apr 24 00:46:45 CEST 2001 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

Bones: "Shrek" seems to be the only film that would make sense with the description of the film being animated (computer animation counts now), and it's with the voices of Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy. Robbie probably is the coordinator if he doesn't put in an appearance on the soundtrack (i.e. "Casino").

Of course the description of the film from "Life & Times" Roadsongs is as sketchy as the documentary itself, but hey, you get a nice five minutes with Nelly Furtado and no real explanation of what Robbie's up to! Great filmmaking!

AHROOO!!

Posted on Mon Apr 23 21:35:29 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Bones, this was mentioned in the RR special from Canada a few months back. They did not give the title of the movie, however, did mention this was his current project. I saw a preview for SHREK yesterday, however, the music playing was not RR.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 21:05:13 CEST 2001 from client-151-198-114-221.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.221)

Bumbles

MAX: That live Bobby Charles lp you found over the weekend is almost certainly not by Bobby “Small Town Talk” Charles, the legendary swamp popper from Vermillion Parish, Louisiana. An entirely unrelated group, the Bobby Charles Quartet, recorded for the Fenton label in the early 60s and released at least one live record in a kind of lounge cum honky tonk style.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 20:59:29 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Has anybody heard anything about Robbie doing the soundtrack for the new Dreamworks animation movie with Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy called Shrek? It's coming out this year I've been told.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 20:44:19 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Happy Spring to all Gb'ers.

Going back to the Base Players- there was no mention of Roger Waters who has a BAND connection. Any thoughts on his playing. I was a big Floyd fan in college.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 19:58:58 CEST 2001 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

JOHN CASS

I have a great week planed 4-26 Richie Havens New London NH, 4-27 Levon Helm Schenectady NY, and 4-30 Van Morrison Lowell MA. Any GB's going to be there it should be a great time wish you all well

Posted on Mon Apr 23 19:14:14 CEST 2001 from (212.153.193.19)

Ragtime

Diamond Lil, good to see you, I KNEW you'd be back fastuh than loightnin' :-)

Brown eyed girl: trouw niet met hem, trouw met mij.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 18:25:48 CEST 2001 from node140113.rvs.uc.edu (129.137.140.113)

Max

Music Stumbled upon: I found a Bobby Charles record in a used store this weekend. Looks to be a live record from a nightclub in Kansas or Iowa. I can't find anything on this out on the web at all.

Other weekend pickups:

Miles Davis Seven Steps to Heaven (Mono)

Ray Charles at Newport (1958)

That's All/Bobby Daren

The Platters

Posted on Mon Apr 23 18:19:11 CEST 2001 from spider-we083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.58)

Ben

I would just like to say to whom it may concern thank you for this wonderful site it has undoubtedly given me more pleasure and information of great interest than any other. A worthy companion to the finest music I have ever heard.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 17:22:39 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-00-19.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.34)

Dave the Phone Guy

No need to worry. Levon's got incredible energy. More energy than his audience put together. People half his age can hardly keep up with him I reckon.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 17:15:56 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-00-19.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.34)

Dave the Phone Guy

Did anyone check out my close-up performance photos of The Barnburners from the February California tour?

The Subdudes, oh yeah! My garage band covers "I've Got All The Time In The World". That was a great name for a band.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 17:13:05 CEST 2001 from proxylm.hud.gov (170.97.67.7)

le

Just saw feb. 01 photo of LEvon Helm. He is not looking very healthy. He was being treated for throat cancer a few years back. Anybody have an update, he looks very thin and frail.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 16:44:43 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp157.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.157)

Diamond lil

Leo: Thanks for answering my question, and therefore saving me from losing what's left of my mind. There's nothing more frustrating than having a tune stuck in your head and not remembering what it is or where it's from.

Dan: Wow.. someone else had heard of Studs Terkel! Go figure... Know where I could find the lyrics I'm looking for? Thanks.

The Brown album on the turntable here (yes..I said turntable..I'm old :-) and a can of raid next to my computer (I'm also terrified of bees). Aah...spring has sprung at last!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 16:43:17 CEST 2001 from delrioip2107.delrio.com (64.132.19.107)

Just Wonderin'

Hi,

Does anyone know the url for Dr. John? The link under related artists only leads you to ranks.com with no connection to his website anymore. Maybe it's been removed?

I'm wondering if he's touring this summer.

Thanks!

Posted on Mon Apr 23 16:38:22 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517245.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.116)

Richard

Somebody started a thread a few days back about music they had just stumbled upon... It happened to me at a record show this past weekend that I ran into...

Thomas Jefferson Kaye: 'First Grade' ('74 lp)... A Steely Dan connection cause Becker/Fagen wrote a couple of tunes and Gary Katz produced, this record has a Manfred Mannish interpretation of a Dr John song ("Sho-Bout") and, with that exception, an overall sound similar to early slow Steely Dan ballads. ($2. Can.).

Lou Reed: 'A Night With Lou Reed' ('83 live video)... For a guy accused of having questionable musical ability, he sure surrounds himself with a lot of virtuosos. I think the early 80's Lou Reed/Robert Quine guitar team was the best band sound he ever achieved... Fernando Sanders plays monster bass. The band cooks and Lou sounds soulful. The live flow is interrupted by a couple videos. ($8.). Apologies to BOB WIGO : )

Willie Nelson: 'Face of a Fighter' ('78 lp)... A re-issue of demos from '61. As a singer he ain't no George Jones, but his phrasing really riffs and the songs are solid. A great band even at this early date. 3 lps for $10. with Leonard Cohen: 'Songs from a Room' ('69) and Ronnie Hawkins: 'Greatest Hits' ('81).

Anybody else hit a record show/second hand shop last weekend? What did you stumble over?

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:56:07 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td082.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.187)

bob wigo

Finally, The Band website has reached its zenith with a daily dose of Lou Reed's magic. How did we ever make it this far without it?

Thanks BEG -- for throwing one more carcass on that pile of dead horses.

"Better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle." Now that, my friends, is poetry for the ages.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:45:27 CEST 2001 from p302-192.ppp.get2net.dk (195.82.209.192)

Crazy Chester

Ooops! Sorry for posting twice...

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:44:12 CEST 2001 from p302-192.ppp.get2net.dk (195.82.209.192)

Crazy Chester

Hey...

I just watched the DVD from New Orleans, 1994. Man... can that possibly be the peak of THE Band's career??? I have never seen a person with so much music, as Levon. The first time I heard about The Band was when I saw a documentary. I dont know what it is called, but when I saw the guys playing Cripple Creek in the basement, I was hooked. I have never seen so much energy in a band before. The footage was from around 69, I suppose. But it was exactly the same feeling I had when I saw the DVD from 94: a rock'n'roll machine! Best thing of the concert must be Rick singing It Makes No Difference. Fancredible! And the way Randy and Levon play together: Fancredible! To you who doesnt have the concert: Get it!!!

Sean

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:41:13 CEST 2001 from p302-192.ppp.get2net.dk (195.82.209.192)

Crazy Chester

Hey...

I just watched the DVD from New Orleans, 1994. Man... can that possibly be the peak of THE Band's career??? I have never seen a person with so much music, as Levon. The first time I heard about The Band was when I saw a documentary. I dont know what it is called, but when I saw the guys playing Cripple Creek in the basement, I was hooked. I have never seen so much energy in a band before. The footage was from around 69, I suppose. But it was exactly the same feeling I had when I saw the DVD from 94: a rock'n'roll machine! Best thing of the concert must be Rick singing It Makes No Difference. Fancredible! And the way Randy and Levon play together: Fancredible! To you who doesnt have the concert: Get it!!! Sean

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:18:04 CEST 2001 from dhcp246031.columbus.rr.com (204.210.246.31)

Charlie

Looking avidly for a copy of Eat This Document have much Dylan and Van to trade. Thanks and hard nose the highway.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:04:12 CEST 2001 from dialin-84.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.115)

Gene

Re: Luncheon with Bob and Van

Try to get Robbie to bring Nicki Love along, too...she looks like she needs a good meal.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 15:01:35 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Jakob Dylan clearly doesn't want to be have to be working when he hits 60 like his dad. I just saw him on a COCA COLA commercial! Meanwhile, the April 27th issue of ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY magazine reveals that former Bob Dylan backup singer Carol Dennis just confirmed she was "secretly married" to him for six years (1986-1992) and that their daughter--Desiree Gabrielle Dennis-Dylan--is now 15. I wonder if she'll wind up singing with Jacob...

Does anyone know if there are other children of former members of The Band (besides Amy Helm) with musical talent and/or ambitions?

Posted on Mon Apr 23 12:09:06 CEST 2001 from du119-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.119)

Ilkka

I checked out my pop/rock/jazz albums to find a) the combination LONGEST TITLE - SHORTEST TRACK and b) the combination SHORTEST TITLE - LONGEST TRACK. They are
a) "The Day The Bird Of Paradise Looked Down Through A Crack In The Cloud And Shed A Tear" - 17 seconds (Blues Section)
b) "OM" - 29 minutes (John Coltrane)
Fascinating!

Thanks for the new articles (Serge D.), pics and video clips. - Good to hear that Dylan was so great (again!). He is going to have three concerts in Sweden during the summer. We had Van and Clapton here for a few weeks ago and Neil Young is coming here, too.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 08:30:47 CEST 2001 from spider-wo072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.52)

Ben Pike

Never been much of a Lou Reed Fan, but it is argueable something like "Streethassle" (with poinant Springsteen cameo) influenced "From The Underworld", but thats quite a time lag! After all my bitching about Dylan on the Oscars, his gigs in the land of "Carnival Of Souls" kinda makes me yearn to see the old man one more time.... I've noticed "Remedy" has become a shopping music regular, I keep hearing it in Carl's Jr. or Pep boys... well, better than the muzak "Cripple Creek"....

Posted on Mon Apr 23 08:02:56 CEST 2001 from spider-wk011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.151)

Bayou Sam

If it wasn't for Robbie Robertson - in part - this wonderful website would not exist.

Now, cut him down from the tree right now!

Posted on Mon Apr 23 06:42:10 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-217-139.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.217.139)

Dab (again)

Has anybody seen the Harry Smith Project of which Garth is part of? They are playing at UCLA this week and I was thinking of going to see it.

LIL: I have this weird Studs Terkel narrative music about the stages of life from birth to death. A kind of Gail Sheely "Passages" flavor it has, developing all the psychological vulnerabilities we possess. It's all set to 30 minutes of orchestral music.

Studs has a pretty haunting voice.

Posted on Mon Apr 23 06:10:38 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-217-139.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.217.139)

Dan Blood

Erin: Wow what connections you point out.

Who can prove that Robbie or anyone elso who writes music has the idea him or herself or was what thought they wrote actually heard before and then 'borrowed' unawares.

Aaron Copeland's self-professed favorite part of his masterpiece, Appalachian Spring, is the Shaker tune in the middle, "Tis A Gift To Be Simple," which we all know he didn't write. But it's that particular spot in the piece where he uses it that makes it so special. His beautiful arrangment helps too.

The thing that occured to me as I read Robbie's somewhat naive response to the question in the Melody Maker article from 1971, was what he said much later in life during one of those 1998 TV specials about The Band (I don't remember if it was the VH-1 show or the Disney, Goin' Home thing). He said something to this effect, "who can fathom the creative process where deliberate choices are made to do something 'this way' as opposed to 'that way.' What exactly is it inside that lets you know when you've got 'timelessness'.

I doubt anyone knows for sure. As he said those words to the TV interviewer, Robbie seemed truly perplexed by it all, a little in awe you might say.

For me, all those 60's songs have that feeling that they have been around forever. A friend of mine says it's simple stupid, those songs HAVE been around forever!!

Posted on Mon Apr 23 06:05:26 CEST 2001 from spider-wa032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.32)

Bayou Sam

Elly = it's possible that if you went to lunch with Zimmy that he wouldn't say much, and he burp and fart all the way through his meal, which would burst your bubble.

Someone once said that you shouldn't meet your idols. You could be very dissapointed.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 21:15:14 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.40)

Elly

Hi on this beautiful and glorious day! Bob Dylan, the ever high level hero, inspires my "lyrical soul"... Van the Man "and it stoned me to my soul"... On this gorgeous "60's kind day, just thinking about the high reaching element of the industry that always told the tales of life, in ALL REALITY with no throw away motives. Just real talent. My "Lunch With Bob Dylan", is still an ogoing dream....What would I order??????Probably water to stay "pure" to clearly listen to his words of wisdom. TO BE PROPERLY EDUCATED. The only disappointment-although I HIGHLY DOUBT that Bob wuld, would be to talk to him and he had "another UNGODLY agenda" of playing head games to get a point across. That's the unfortunate OLD SCHOOL of Dysfunction. Not Bobbo. He'd cut to the punch with ARTICULATION.....The original "poet laureate", the "MAN from the North Country"--it's no wonder that "My school of thought" is/WAS based on high reaching standards. I've learned my education well from the MASTERS of deep thought and experience who don't make NO BONES about nothin'....Can anyone imagine John Lennon and Bob Dylan in today's dysfunctional LYIN' and CHEATIN' world to collaborate on a song? I'd rush to the record store. Probably be the first to buy it....And who would be the FIRST on line to buy a ticket to a dream concert? Moi. What inspires ME most and WHAT MY SCHOOL OF MUSICAL THOUGHT IS BASED UPON AS IS MY HERITAGE: GRATITUDE...GRATITUDE...GRATITUDE...GRATITUDE..That I am upright, walkin' talkin' and creatin' music all over again the right way: THE NO SELL OUT WAY... Next stop, I wish and pray to look in Leonard Peltier's eyes and see THE TRUTH.. Remember Old School unenlightened to good music and hence the obvious decay in the "industry": THE TRUTH IN MUSIC ALWAYS SAVES, THE TRUTH IN MUSIC ALWAYS SETS YOU FREE, THE TRUTH ALWAYS COMES OUT AND THE TRUTH IS GOD. I'm going back to MY ORIGINAL SCHOOL where the lyrics are quick, soulful and GOOD and the AIR IS CLEAR AND CLEAN AND NEVER MISINTERPRETED, MISJUDGED OR MISUNDERSTOOD.... And NO ONE IS EVER USED OR EVER CRUEL... Time to get ready for the real education because musically, people like Van and Bob hold it high above everyone else. Comprende? Leonard...Leonard..Leonard... "Look Into My REAL Father's Eyes and and it will never conceal ANY LIES..Especially when he's been SO PATIENT and doesn't know how to despise--I'm asking you to look into Leonard Peltier's WISE HERITAGED eyes.... "Give Me One Good Validating Reason: Tracey Chapman Elli's Comin':Laura Nyro Have a great one. Anyone with high reaching musical tastes, please ALWAYS FEEL FREE to contact a bird in flight.... E-l-l-y

Posted on Sun Apr 22 20:10:45 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.44)

Stephen Novik

Thank you Serge, for all the fantasic articles, and thank you Jan for posting them. Rock on!

Posted on Sun Apr 22 19:09:06 CEST 2001 from spider-tk084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.214)

Amanda J.

Hi Dexy! Thanks for the review of the Dylan show. I am going to see him at the Music Midtown Festival in Atlanta on May 4th. I can't wait! Glad to see you back Diamond Lil...your posts are really inspiring.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 18:22:18 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.28.237.mmph.grid.net (63.49.28.237)

Dexy

My wife and I enjoyed a terrific Bob Dylan concert here in KS last night. He played Topeka (20 miles west of us here in Lawrence), a mere weeks after his appearance on the Oscars from Australia. Only the third time I've seen Bob, and once again, he was outstanding -- the others being Rolling Thunder in '76, and the Madison Square Garden Bobfest in '92 (or so...). I understand you take a chance with Bob -- some tours are more coherent, some nights are better than others. Understandable, given the incredible amount of concerts he has given and continues to give. His singing was really the high-point. The very nasal voice of TIME OUT OF MIND (an album I like, by the way) only appeared on songs from that album, really. He made a point, I think, of hitting the highs and sounding like Bob of old many times. Plus, to my shock, the guy practically danced while playing leads (Harrison style, circa '65). He's nearing 60, but can bend down, twisting his knees like a teenager. Great, young back-up band -- but no keyboard, which I found interesting. Another high point was the audience -- very strange combo of oldsters like us and youngsters who appeared to have been lifted from my high school years and planted in the arena. Didn't log the songlist, but it included: Maggie's Farm, If Dogs Run Free, Rolling Stone, Forever Young (Band connection...), Highway 61, Tangled Up In Blue, Song To Woody, Blowin' In The Wind, two or three from TIME and many others, culminating in Rainy Day Women. Show started at 7:30 and he left the stage at 8:50! Had to be just a break, really, but then returned for several encores and played until... 9:50. Seemed like midnight, though. Especially if you're 59, I suppose. But, truly, really impressive when ol' Bob can get the high school and college kids whipped up into a r'n'r frenzy at his age -- which he did, several times. A real treat, great night. Thanks Bob.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 16:34:08 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

"I was sittin' home on the West End
Watchin' cable TV with a female friend
We were watchin' the news, the world's in a mess
The poor and the hungry, a world in distress
Herpes, AIDS, the Middle East at full throttle
Better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle
And while you're at it - check what's in the batter
Make sure the candy's in the
Original Wrapper

Reagan says abortion's murder
While he's looking at Cardinal O'Connor
Look at Jerry Falwell, Louis Farrakhan
Both talk religion and the brotherhood of man
They both sound like they belong in Teheran
Watch out, they're goin' full throttle
Better watch that sausage before you put it in the waffle
And while you're at it - better check that batter
Make sure the candy's in the
Original Wrapper
Hey, pitcher, better check that batter
Make sure the candy's in the
Original Wrapper

White against white, Black against Jew
It seems like it's 1942
The baby sits in front of MTV watching violent fantasies
While Dad guzzles beer with his favourite sport
Only to find his heroes are all coked up
It's classic, original - the same old story
The politics of hate in a new surrounding
Hate if it's good and hate if it's bad
And if this all don't make you mad
I'll keep yours and I'll keep mine
Nothing sacred and nothing divine
Father, bless me - we're going full throttle
Better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle
And while you're at it better check that batter
Make sure the candy's in the Original Wrapper"

"Original Wrapper" by Louuuuu Reed

Posted on Sun Apr 22 15:40:23 CEST 2001 from dialup-306.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.50)

HANK

.........and so it came to pass that God is a concept....by which we measure Lou Reed?

Actually, the most God-like dude was Rick Danko.....

I remember Rick saying "God must love us....he made so many of us"

But, then again, Lou sang about being Jesus' son in that song "Heroin"

Maybe Brian Wilson could write a song called "Lou Reed Only Knows ( What I'd do Without You)" and THEN it would'nt be so bad for Bowie to cover it.....

Lennon really thought he was Christ returned in 1968.....I guess you would on great acid and getting the chance to sing "All You Need is Love" for the world

There's nothin' you can do.....that can't be done.

.....although you KNOW it ain't easy.....you know how hard it can be....yes, indeed, You're just gonna have to SERVE somebody...if ya can't manage to Serve Yerself, la......

Thus concludes this Sunday Mornings Sermon......go in Peace!....or at least Give it a Chance.....

Posted on Sun Apr 22 15:13:50 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-107.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.107)

Peter Viney

I’ve just sent Jan a transcription of Robbie on the BBC2 “Walk On By” programme last night, but he repeated the timeless line - “This was all about just writing songs that would have that timeless quality”. Looking pretty timeless himself, too.

Thanks for the "Music" by John Mills reference! That's been driving me mad since Lil posted the question yesterday- I just couldn't get it.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 14:57:22 CEST 2001 from slip32-106-129-16.dub.ie.prserv.net (32.106.129.16)

leo

Diamond lil , if my memory is correct , the song you are thinking of is "Music " by John Mills.....

Posted on Sun Apr 22 14:41:20 CEST 2001 from spider-tp021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.181)

bob wigo

Lou Reed is God.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 13:55:08 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp169.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.169)

Diamond Lil

"Timeless Music": I suppose the defination of that depends on who you ask. For me, timeless is music that I fell in love with the first time I heard it...and am still in love with today. Some tunes off the top of my (not covered in shaving cream today ) head are "What a wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong, "That's Life" by Sinatra, "Georgia" by Ray Charles (Although Richard's version is timeless to me as well)...among others. And of course, most stuff by The Band. I guess my definition of timeless music then would be music that I feel in my heart and soul everytime I hear it. Hmm.. which means The Eagles "Desperado" fits into that catagory as well...

I saw a musical last night called "Working"..written by Studs Terkel..all about the plight of the working man and woman. Very well done. There was a tune in the show, called " Fathers and Sons"..which made me cry. It was sung by the father..about his life..and how he wants better for his son. It was beautiful. This may be a long shot.. but if anyone happenes to know all the lyrics and can send them to me.. I'd much appreciate it. Thanks.

And on that note..I'm going to work. Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 11:34:43 CEST 2001 from (61.12.197.6)

Erin

To Dan Blood,

Yeah, I wondered about that comment from Robbie, particularly the way he dismisses the influence of folk songs.

'Get Up, Jake' is obviously very influenced by the spiritual 'Wake Up, Jacob,' first written down in 1867. (Another more secular version of this folksong was later recorded by Lomax in the late '50s as a Texan cowboy song.) 'Cripple Creek' seems to be influenced by the folksong of the same name. (Incidentally, the chorus of the folksong 'Cripple Creek' also forms the basis of chorus of 'Goin' to Acapulco.')

Then, of course, the songs are full of lines from folk songs: 'If i could i surely would/ Stand on the rock where Moses stood' at the end of 'When You Awake' is also found in the spiritual 'Oh Mary Don't You Weep.' 'I crawled up to the railroad tracks/ Let the 4:19 scratch my back' from 'Rag, Mama, Rag' sounds remarkably like a line from a work song 'Lay my head on the railroad line/ Let the 4:19 ease my mind'...

you get the picture... I won't further labour the point.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 06:12:34 CEST 2001 from ip160.chicago31.il.pub-ip.psi.net (38.33.74.160)

Pat Brennan

Brown Eyed Girl, Clinton Heylin is making a very subjective attempt to align these two disparate people, and not very well. He refers to two concerts rather far apart for starters, and RR was no doubt much more comfortable in his role by the later stages of the tour. Heylin evidently doesn't realize this. Different drummers too, which makes all the difference in the world. And, finally, check out any of the extant Ronnie Hawkins/Hawks material and you'll hear some extremely dangerous guitar work, long before Lou Reed mastered his first E chord.

To me, it's another example of Heylin's less than rigorous analysis.

Posted on Sun Apr 22 06:00:14 CEST 2001 from a050-1023.nycm.splitrock.net (63.253.70.7)

mike skliar

hi- I'm a (sometime) songwriter, and have written and recorded a song about rick danko (and richard manuel as well) called 'goodbye rick danko'. I would be interested in somehow getting a cd copy to rick's family, levon helm and/or garth hudson. Anyone know of a way to contact any of the above? thanks mike mskliar@prodigy.net

Posted on Sat Apr 21 22:18:37 CEST 2001 from spider-tl031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.186)

Tommy

Welcome aboard, Bonnie Woods! (Great name, by the way.)

Posted on Sat Apr 21 21:26:09 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-217-139.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.217.139)

Dan Blood

Quote from Robbie in the 1971 MM article about the traditional sound his songs have:

"... I'm really trying to get around the time element, so that it's got a better possibility of lasting... just timelessness is what I'm trying for, most of the time when it's possible. ..."

How do you accomplish that? Do you sit down at the piano to compose and say, "Let see, how about a timeless song this time"?

Posted on Sat Apr 21 19:16:14 CEST 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

pehr

cool photo of Rick and Butter added, thanks!

Posted on Sat Apr 21 18:43:24 CEST 2001 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (213.51.109.69)

Norbert

Brown Eyed Girl......know your posts are always much appreciated!!!......(wat een geweldige meid! wil je met me trouwen?)

Posted on Sat Apr 21 18:35:45 CEST 2001 from (198.173.6.246)

Tom Garvey

Tickets for Levon and the Barn Burners just went on sale this morning for the June 2 show at Buddy Guy's at Ticketmaster. I grabbed 10 and will be bringing several people who I've turned on to The Band over the years.

Chicago area fans, this band is HOT!!! Let's make it SRO!

See ya there.

Tom

Posted on Sat Apr 21 16:03:59 CEST 2001 from (208.129.10.27)

rjr

Acadianruby, I still need to hear from you, please. rjr

Posted on Sat Apr 21 15:33:16 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

"But remember that the city is a funny place
Something like a circus or a sewer
And just remember different people have peculiar tastes
And the glory of love
The glory of love
Might see you through......

"Coney Island Baby" by Louuuu Reed

Someone was asking about a J. Geils Band song awhile back......could the song be "Sanctuary" by Peter Wolf and Seth Justman featuring Magic Dick on harmonica?? The "Sanctuary" CD has always been my all time favourite of this Boston band.

Posted on Sat Apr 21 14:50:19 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp241.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.241)

Diamond Lil

Rainy, dreary morning here in crazyville..but some solo Richard on the cd player brings a smile to my face just the same. So does the hot coffee which I microwaved for what I thought was 1 minute..and it was actually 10 minutes. After I got past the blinding pain of that first sip...

I have part of a long-ago tune stuck in my memory here, and am hoping someone knows the song. The only lines I can remember (and which seem to be going around and around in my head over and over) are:
Music was my first love, and it will be my last
Music of the future, and music of the past..

If anyone recognizes this fragment and can prevent me from being hauled away to the song-stuck-in-my-head home...I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Maud Hudson: Thinking of you and expecting you to knock em dead tonight! Wish I could've been there...

And on a personal note (sorry Jan) to the elusive Uncle Hangover: Please remember that a strong foundation of friendship should survive anything. Please contact me to let me know that you're well and happy...and ok. I care. Alot.

Have a nice day everyone.

Posted on Sat Apr 21 14:17:00 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-066.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.66)

Peter Viney

Brown-Eyed Girl- now I remember the Heylin quote and yes, I did post it. I guess in the light of the sheer attack of the 66 band it made some kind of sense, BUT in fact has Heylin got his time lines messed up? Didn’t someone say that the visit was in 66, but AFTER the 66 tour?

With the imminent release of the movie of “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin” I decided to try the stage production that has reputedly been filling theatres here since 1999. It turned out to be a monologue by a slightly inebriated man in a crumpled white shirt and trousers, accompanied by two ladies on mandolin and piano. Reading the scant one page of folded A3 “programme” which had cost a pound, I saw that one lady was “Professor of Mandolin” at Trinity College, London and “probably the finest player in the UK.” The other lady was a major classical flautist and pianist. Not only that, but their recording of the music from the show had graced the UK Classical chart. Well, I’m partial to a bit of mandolin, and was hoping for a touch of Levon Helm / Mordicai Jones attack. According to the script the mandolin is closely related to the bouzouki, and having stayed in a Cretan taverna in the early 70s during two all-night Greek weddings, I can testify that your average bouzouki bar band can strut their stuff with attack, enthusiasm … and stamina. They played for about twelve hours. Wish they’d known a few more tunes. Anyway, back to the ladies in the theatre. Their music was Windham Hill Does Greece Gently. As the hammy monologue was getting on my nerves badly, I paid close attention to the music. This fascinated me. The piano player did those florid sudden hand lifts, eighteen inches into the air, that would have put Liberace to shame. They’ve been touring this since 1999, and did a successful album of the music. So why did the piano player have to keep turning the pages of the sheet music? I waited in fascination for the left hand to lift and turn the page. It’s like a hiccup in a speech, or an actor saying “To be or (SHARP WHISTLING INTAKE OF BREATH) not to be.” There can’t have been more than 30 minutes of music. It was all much the same. Any cocktail lounge piano player could have tinkled merrily away for hours without sheet music like this. Of course the cocktail lounge pianist usually bases their work on rather better tunes. When the lady played flute, she again read the dots, even though it sounded like one simple piece played over and over. Why do classical musicians have to do this? Do they have zero musical memory? Reminds me of a neighbour whose daughter went effortlessly through every grade on piano. Right into her early twenties she kept taking the exams. At my daughter’s birthday party, I asked her to play Happy Birthday on our piano. She agreed at once and asked for the sheet music. She wasn’t joking. She could not pick it out. So, the purpose of this rant is that Levon deserves a nice British academic job, professoring mandolin properly!

Thanks to Serge for this series of great articles from the vaults.

Posted on Sat Apr 21 13:48:35 CEST 2001 from dialup-093.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.93)

HANK

Blair Jacksons review of "Jericho" was great to read. I must say, ALL those articles and interviews in the What's New section are great to read.....Well done, Serge!.......The MM "Rock of Ages" interview with RR was top- class .....

The funny thing about RR and Lou Reed THESE days is that they are NOW the same kinda person, are'nt they? Sorta Elder Statesmen of Rock'n'Roll who've buried many companions and yet survive themselves without appearing to be really pushing themselves............Bob Dylan does'nt really come into that category.........Bob Dylan is still on the run, isn't he?.........or so it would seem.........

Posted on Sat Apr 21 07:36:22 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517185.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.56)

Richard

Click on the Web page link for a real nice article on Joey Ramone by Lenny Kaye...

Posted on Sat Apr 21 07:29:06 CEST 2001 from spider-to064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.74)

Dave Z

Bill M. & Witt: Are you just pickin' on an easy target American?... If anything, I would have thought an attempt to sound American maybe translated into more American dinero... the great vowel movement, hmm... my only personal posting rule is post before thinking... so I thought I was just maybe throwing out another great bowel movement... yet for me this started with a daydream about 461 Ocean Blvd... and I know EC is not American... yet I still say to myself... he's American... and it's all logical to a Gemini because it must be the two voices duking it out, right?... and before someone jumps in to protect the Motherland or something and say ahh it's just another American looking in the mirror again... I actually have a bit of a Canada-envy thing going on... which will go away if Bush gets his trade agreement stuff to go his way... anyway, I'm still laughing from Peter's accent quotes... and Lil', I just got off the phone with my brother LA... and I can hear him jamming on his electric guitar while he talks to me on his headset... and I know he can look out his apartment window and see the Observatory in Griffith Park... and he still won't go see Garth though I plead... and offer to buy his ticket... he will probably just stay at home... and jam... damn younger brothers... if it's not Rush or Steve Vai he doesn't care... Goodnight all...

Posted on Sat Apr 21 05:32:19 CEST 2001 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-50.look.ca (209.161.237.50)

Wittgenstein

Bill Munson: I think what you were referring to is called "the great vowel movement".

And I'm outahere!

Posted on Sat Apr 21 02:07:42 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Heylin on Lou Reed and the VU in late 1965: "Aronowitz took Robertson down to check out the competition. Robertson hated them, presumably convinced that there was a distinction between noise and dissonance. AND YET HE MAY HAVE TAKEN SOMETHING FROM THE EXPERIENCE - THE ELEMENT OF THREAT THAT HAD BEEN MISSING FROM THE HAWKS MUSIC AT BERKELEY (1965), BUT ALL TOO REAL IN MANCHESTER AND LIVERPOOL (1966).

Many thanks to those of you who posted about Louuuuuuu and Robbie......two of my heroes.......as the art critic John Berger defines HEROES: "The function of the hero in art is to inspire the reader or spectator to continue in the same spirit from where she/he, the hero, leaves off. The hero must release the spectator's potentiality, for potentiality is the historical force behind nobility..............The function of the idol is the exact opposite to that of the hero.........instead of inspiring, lulls. The idol is based on the APPEARANCE of perfection, but never on the striving towards it."

Posted on Sat Apr 21 01:12:04 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

There are some excerpts from the new Dylan biography at National Post On-line (check Webpage above.)

There are also some other articles of interest, eg. one where Dylan says Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 is about "cripples and Orientals and the world in which they live ... It's sort of a Mexican kind of thing, very protest, very very protest, and [one] of the pro-testiest of all things I've protested against in the protest years."

Quite. I expect Dylan probably subscribes to the view that if you can't laugh at yourself you are probably missing a damn good joke.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 23:54:28 CEST 2001 from channel83.1s.net (206.104.144.137)

Bonnie Woods

I may only be a twenty year old, But my mom raised me right. I have been a fan for years, you guys are what music is all about.Love you guys!!!!!

Posted on Fri Apr 20 22:13:54 CEST 2001 from spider-wc084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.59)

bob wigo

Pat Brennan,

Yes! As you are probably aware, Tiny Town is an offshoot of The Subdudes, a wonderful band. I believe both Johnny Allen (bass) and Tommy Malone (guitars and vocals)of The Subdudes moved on to form Tiny Town. I saw them not too long go open the show for Little Feat at the Keswick Theate just outside Philly. They were great.

The Subdudes, in my estimation, were sadly underappreciated. Their style was a wonderful blend of Cajun meets soul. Some great accordion and very tasteful slide guitar coupled with a unique percussionist and some of the finest vocalizing I've ever heard made for some truly beautiful music. The writing was very strong as well. I highly recommend all of their material. I believe they released four discs with the last being a live recording. The first album "The Subdudes" is a terrific addition to any collection and will set you off on the journey to gather it all up as quickly as possible. Check out the song "Big Chief" and you'll be on board before you know what hit you.

Thanks for the reminder Pat. I'll be enjoying that first album during this evening's commute.

Enjoy the music!!

Posted on Fri Apr 20 22:09:02 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp69.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.69)

Diamond Lil

Is anyone going to see garth and Maud out in LA tomorrow? If you are..please post and tell us all about it..and tell them hello from me. My youngest is out there now.. perhaps he'll go :-)

John C: Thanks for your generous offer of sharing your Jim Croce music. Always nice to 'meet' another fan!

Jh: It's always nice when friends share their thoughts on music with us, hm? I'm writing a tune now in fact...tentatively titled 'The juggler sure has balls'.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:36:52 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Dave Z: Interesting what you just said about singing accents. I've found that Canadians tend to sound American when singing rock and R&B, and that British singers tend to sound Canadian. But not Jagger. My hunch has always been that it's related somehow to what is known in the study of English linguistic history (or so I seem to remember from a single book I read 20 years ago) as "the great vowel shift".

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:21:13 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Crabgrass and others: You'll be glad to know that I read somewhere that Nicky Love's new debut cd is coming out in the next couple of weeks. Does Robbie actually play on this recording??

Serge: Thanks again for sharing all those great articles!

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:18:02 CEST 2001 from spider-wm084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.189)

Tommy

Hey folks...I saw the movie 'Blow' last night, and in a scene wherein Johnny Depp's character wants to talk to the court to plead his case(one of getting caugt with LOADS of marijuana), he quotes Dylan's 'It Aint Me Babe'..It was pretty funny!Needless to say ,the judge gives him 20,000 dollar bail.Hahaha.

The movie also had some good music in it too...The Stones and Faces (wow!Thats a nice suprise,but they played the song in a scene that took place in '68...that song didnt come out til '71-72!Inaccuracies!!).I recommend the movie though...it's a good one.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:15:48 CEST 2001 from user-33qt8gi.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.162.18)

Pat Brennan

Almost back online....

The new Dylan bio is pretty impressive. Hidden marriage, hidden children, body/breath odor, the list goes on. Waiting for a copy but a localpaper exerpted some of it. Just from what I saw, it looks like a must (but who can yu trust?).

Loved the RR/Lou Reed/VU fantasy. Since there is not even a drop of LR/VU in RR's playing--in fact, one could argue he became less edgy after his encounter--I have a hard (okay, impossible) time accepting the theory. However, you are welcome to enjoy Lou Reed all you want, and the aforementioned opening to Sweet Jane seemed impressive way back when, in a Les Paul sort of way. Heck, I like The Turtles.

Anyone here into Pat McLaughlin/Tiny Town?

Serge's fine contributions seem to make evident that RR was indeed the author of the in-question songs, with a hint at what angers Levon to this day ("And "The W. S. Walcott Medicine Show" - that's an actual story that Levon told me - he told me the story, and I wrote the song.)

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:03:36 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I have read Mr. Soune's new Dylan bio and found it to be very enlightening. Before purchasing it at the bookstore, I turned to the back of the book to the list of sources and saw that the author interviewed a great many people who have known and worked with Dylan over the years. Among those listed as sources are Levon, Rick, Garth, Robbie, Sally Grossman and many, many more. The book is footnoted in great detail, encompassing previously published information with newly discovered revelations.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 21:01:44 CEST 2001 from spider-tj073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.208)

Dave Z

Thanks for sharing Serge!!! I am also enjoying the humor lately... especially Lil's shaving cream adventures... and Peter's accent stuff... but I have to ask... why do all the good British and Canadian groups sound American to me once they start singing?... Does the music make it happen?... Yikes, I think I'll go find some Old Spice shaving cream to hide behind now... anyway, that Dylan book looks interesting to me too, I think I'll pick it up... thanks for the recently posted comments on it... Does anybody else out there hope that Hal Willner is working on a forthcoming interpretation CD of Hairy Smith's stuff?... I really like both the Monk and Disney ones with Robbie and Garth... yesterday my twins and I were watching Poppins on video, and I really like the lyrics to Feed The Birds too... good choice Garth... and RR's Rock & Cool voice on that Bobby Fisher song is just dandy... oh well, a couple of days ago I ordered Mike DeMicco's solo jazz guitar CD, and will post my impressions after a few listens... Take care all... It's swampy 70's here in MN today... and the rivers are a peaking...

Posted on Fri Apr 20 19:36:48 CEST 2001 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

John D.: I just ordered the new Dylan bio. There are loads of Garth interviews/quotes in it, according to a friend of mine.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 19:36:04 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

The Minstrel Boys

"I'm really trying to get around the time element, so that it's got a better possibility of lasting...just timelessness is what I'm trying for, most of the time when possible." -- Robbie Robertson (MELODY MAKER interview 1971)

"I've always tried to make music with [a] timeless element involved..." -- Rick Danko (ROLLING STONE interview 1977)

When I first heard The Band's "Music From Big Pink", upon it's release in 1968, I thought that this new magical music sounded ageless, as if it truly had been handed down. This week, while reading through all the great material that Serge has shared with us, I was also thinking about the passings of Richard and Rick. Even though they're no longer with us on this physical plane, spiritually their voices live on in the timeless music they gave us. Those of us who have listened to their music oh so many years, can just close our eyes and listen closely within, without even playing any recording, and still hear the echo of their voices.

This morning I was again reading the William Wordsworth poem, "Power Of Music", and the following stanzas made me think of Rick:

"He stands, backed by the wall;--he abates not his din
His hat gives him vigour, with boons dropping in,
From the old and the young, from the poorest; and there!
The one-pennied Boy has his penny to spare.

O blest are the hearers, and proud be the hand
Of the pleasure it spreads through so thankful a band;
I am glad for him, blind as he is!--all the while
If they speak 'tis to praise, and they praise with a smile.

The tall Man, a giant in bulk and in height,
Not an inch of his body is free from delight;
Can he keep himself still, if he would? oh, not he!
The music stirs in him like wind through a tree."

Everyone have a great weekend and take time to listen to the timeless music. [:-)

Posted on Fri Apr 20 19:23:27 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

NEW BOB DYLAN BIOGRAPHY-DOWN THE HIGHWAY by HOWARD SOUNES:

I must tell you that I have just about every BIO on Dylan. This newest one "Down The Highway" by British author Howard Sounes is the BEST I have ever read. I am still on the "pre getting to be a star period" and I will tell you that Mr. Sounes information on Dylan's youth is eye-opening. It makes you understand much more clearly of what was yet to come. It costs $42.50 (Hardcover) in Canada and worth every cent. It's a hard one to put down. I'll be honest, I began to tire of the same old same old when it came to Zimmy; but this one is the only BIO you'll need. Strange how an American author never dug up all these great facts.

I've said it before.... that the Brits generally do better documentaries on Americana; in film and music than anyone else in the world; with the exception of one author I can think of. Perhaps it's the 3000 miles of distance that brings forth the passion. I don't know

Posted on Fri Apr 20 19:06:03 CEST 2001 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cassarino

Hey Diamond Lil I am new to this gb and don't know you like it seems all the others in here do but I also love Jim Croces music and I will be willing to make you tapes of all his music I have everything he has put out also Harry Chapin's music makes me feel the same as Croces great songs that have stories to them that make you think about lifes ups and downs, just e-mail me with your information I will send you the tapes free of charge just let me know which ones you already have so I won't be sending those ones,and I hope they will cheer you up

Posted on Fri Apr 20 18:37:11 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Saw an interesting combo last night. Swedish group named "Hoven Droven". All instrumental, based on traditional Swedish folk music, but with electric instuments. Fiddle and (mostly soprano) sax dominate, with electric guitar, bass, and drums. It seems that all Swedish folk music is in 3/4, either a "Waltz" or a "Polska". Encore started with a folk tune that morphed into a Hendrix' "Manic Depression". Sad to say, this was the first of only two appearances in North America this trip, the second being a Nordic festival in (?) Wisconsin this weekend. Anyone else ever seen or heard of this group? Are they part of any larger Scandanavian electric folk movement?

Posted on Fri Apr 20 18:09:53 CEST 2001 from dap-209-114-164-125.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.164.125)

Mary (bear)

Lil, just wanted to let you know, how happy I am to see you back. I always enjoy reading your posts, whether band related or not. You are a fixture here, like it or not, and it is just not the same without you. Reading the gb always is a part of my day. I can laugh, cry, take a trip down memory lane, and even learn some things. It just wouldn't be the same without everyone contributing. By the way, music makes me feel much the same way....happy, sad, etc. But without it.....well, things just wouldn't be the same. And today you made me laugh with the shaving creme story......loved it...you know, I can just picture you...lol. Take care everyone and have a good day

Posted on Fri Apr 20 17:59:45 CEST 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

As I recall the RR/VU story, Al Arnowitz dragged Robbie to the show under the pretense of seeing "the fastest guitar player in New York", i.e., Lou. So Robbie's quick departure may have stemmed more from a guitarslinger-bristling-at-the-competition viewpoint than an outright disgust with VU itself.

On the other hand, this _was_ only 1966 and it's possible that VU was just crap at this point. Who knows.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 16:26:01 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Thanks, Serge, for the articles. I really enjoyed the Meleody Maker with Robertson. The interviewer seemed to ask fewer long-winded leading questions than others did at the time, so the answers seem fresher somehow. The Clarence White (born Leblanc) was especially noteworthy, I thought. White, born to musical French-Canadian parents, would have grown up with lots of traditional Quebecois music - fiddles and spoons and whatnot. At the time, francophone Quebeckers thought of themselves as the Canadians, and anglophone Canadians as the English. Although the nomenclature has changed over the decades, the music that White was talking about can still be found all over the place: Quebec, northern and eastern Ontario, New Brunwick. Just last summer we wandered into a pub in a dinky francophone town near of North Bay, Ontario and found a guy amusing himself and a handful of locals with amazing reditions of some fiddle tunes. Naturally, all this stuff is related to the Cajun sound reflected in "Acadian Driftwood".

Posted on Fri Apr 20 14:49:40 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-141.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.141)

Peter Viney

I don’t know what I said about RR and Lou Reed, and with my slow modem link searching the archives is too slow! I know I repeated that 5 minutes was the most RR could take of the Velvets in 66. I’d’ve thought the influence would have been to avoid anything like it – Robbie was scathing about groups that were “all jockstraps and feedback” in an early interview. But who knows what I might have said after a bottle of wine. That said, I’m a great fan of Lou Reed who I think is an all-time great rhythm guitarist, lyricist and singer. There are a number of artists that highly accomplished musicians find harder to enjoy than we ordinary mortals do, because they are too affronted by the playing. The Velvets (especially White Light White Heat) are prime examples, and I know how brilliant John Cale is, but they were not perhaps performing with the clear light of reason and fresh air blowing through their brains. As I’ve said before, English musicians were affronted by Jefferson Airplane & The Doors in the late 60s for the same reason. With the Airplane, it was always clear that Kaukonen and Casady were brilliant instrumentalists, but I do have my doubts about the others. I’ve heard The Doors musical abilities in the late 60s heavily attacked. The Byrds also lost a lot of their reputation when they first appeared live in England. It was hard for a natural musician to appreciate how long it took the Dead to get in tune and in time around the same era. I’m curious about Rick Danko’s 6-string guitar playing. I’ve seen people shake their heads and get very puzzled about how such a brilliant bass player and singer could play the 6-string guitar in such an unconventional way solo. Now don’t let the sky fall upon my head – I think he was extremely effective. It’s just that there are the conventional ways of doing things and the unconventional. Only last week I heard the opinion again that Dylan’s biggest contribution was that he proved you didn’t have to be able to sing and there are still those who can’t “get” Dylan because of his voice and his improvisational attitude. One of Tom Petty’s group in an interview said they got over a minute into a song that Dylan had started on stage before they worked out it was Da Doo Ron Ron, which they’d never heard him do. I wouldn’t have thought that was Robbie’s style.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 13:15:44 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp92.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.92)

PS from Lil

If anyone needs a laugh at my expense (and I know you all like those)..here ya go. Just posted, left the computer, went upstairs to brush my hair. Never noticed how much my son's can of shaving cream resembles my hairspray. I know now :-)

And on that note..I'm outta here. Smile folks.. life is a big joke and none of us get it anyway.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 13:05:25 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp92.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.92)

Diamond Lil

Serge (hi :-) Thanks for all the wonderful articles you've been submitting. It's been so nice reading them all..

Chugging coffee here...trying to find motivation for the Friday workday. Jim Croce on the cd player (I told him to get off but he wouldn't listen) and the morning's feeling ok. It's amazing how Croce hits me at times.. sweet and sentimental...alot like the music of The Band. Been listening to "Lover's Cross" and "These dreams" over and over...they both touch me tremendously. I wonder what it is about music that has the ability to both sadden and soothe all at the same time? If anyone knows...tell me, ok?

Have a good day everyone...and make it a priority to look back on your tears with laughter...not on your laughter with tears.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 10:49:54 CEST 2001 from spider-wm023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.158)

Tommy

It's 4:40 in the AM, I am Drunk, and I just found out that I won the eBay auction for the DVD of 'Robbie Robertson; Going Home'...

...Does life get any better...?

(remember folks, if I sound very dramatic, it's cause I'm DRUNK.I love everyone.)

Posted on Fri Apr 20 08:51:09 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-217-139.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.217.139)

Dan Blood

Ribczar, I haven't heard the song from Full House in 20 years but I can sure still remember those harmonica blasts at the start of the song. ( or was it at the end?)

If Garth makes a solo cd it will immediately be my all time favorite cd in the universe everywhere.

Guy Klucevsek's Transylvanian Softwear has some really cool accordian tunes on it , especially the title track and "Viavy Rose" Variations. Wonder if Garth knows him?

Posted on Fri Apr 20 05:14:08 CEST 2001 from spider-wm044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.169)

Tommy

Wha...?Huh??????

Posted on Fri Apr 20 02:09:58 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.44)

NMRO

All work and no musical reparations make's Jane a dull girl. Want to help out Native American friends and children with music of all kinds. Any and all help is needed. Soon. No rip off's ever welcomed again. Thanks.

Posted on Fri Apr 20 00:58:59 CEST 2001 from 21cust252.tnt30.lax3.da.uu.net (63.8.214.252)

VANESSA MARIE

Posted on Fri Apr 20 00:52:44 CEST 2001 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

One great Lou/Bob moment: Lou doing Foot of Pride at Bobfest at Madison Square Garden, like 1992?? Pretty cool, at least on tv. . .

Posted on Fri Apr 20 00:29:04 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Dylan: "Hey," he says, pulling a tape from his pockets, "wanna hear the best album of the year?" He holds a cassette of AKA "Graffitti Man", an album by poet John Trudell and guitarist Jesse Ed Davis. "Only people like Lou Reed and John Doe can dream about doing work like this. Most don't have enough talent."

Well.....it worked......I got some of you to write more about Louuuuuuu.......(I'm laughing here!) In relation to my post about Robbie being influenced by Lou Reed......I think the VU stirred up something in Robbie.....he may not have overtly liked the group.....but they did have an undeniable edge......I think Peter Viney also posted a long time ago concerning the change in Robbie's playing IN PART (as I said in my post) because of this experience. Did he really only stay for five minutes? The books I've read have said that.....but then Dylan and Lou used to always say they hated each other too.....that is until the 1980's......all of a sudden.....they admit.......noooooooooooo......we really dig each other.....Anyway, I don't think I have ever said that Louuuuu is an amazing guitar player......although I particularly like his guitar work on "Crazy Mary" with Victoria Williams.......for me Lou represents............intelligence.......wit.......he lets you experience the dark side of life but always leaves a little bit of light for you to return.......excellent writing skills.........and he evinces an edge that keeps me coming back for more......Lou Reed is definitely not for everyone........I like to express my opinions and share experiences.....I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone to like him or any other artist more than they already do......Lou's huge body of work which is documented in "Between Thought And Expression Selected Lyrics Of Lou Reed" and "Pass Through Fire The Collected Lyrics" speak for Lou Reed. By the way.....has anyone seen the musical "Time Rocker" (1996) that Lou Reed wrote the music for?

Song for Delmore Schwartz.....Lou's mentor at Syracuse.....

The image of the poet's in the breeze
Canadian geese are flying above the trees
A mist is hanging gently on the lake
My house is very beautiful at night
My friend and teacher occupies a spare room
He's dead-at peace at last the wandering Jew
Other friends had put stones on his grave
He was the first great man that I had ever met
Sylvia and I got out our Ouija Board
To dial a spirit-across the room it soared
We were happy and amazed at what we saw
Blazing stood the proud and regal name Delmore
Delmore, I missed all your funny ways
I missed your jokes and the brilliant things you said
My Daedalus to your Bloom, was such a perfect wit
And to find you in my house makes things perfect
I've really got a lucky life
My writing, my motorcycle, and my wife
And to top it all off a spirit of pure poetry
Is living in this stone and wood house with me
The image of the poet's in the breeze
Canadian geese are flying above the trees
A mist is hanging gently on the lake
Our house is very beautiful at night"

"My House" by Lou Reed

Posted on Fri Apr 20 00:25:15 CEST 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

According to Breeze Hill Records, the official release date for Garth Hudson's THE SEA TO THE NORTH solo album is July 15th. Of course, as we know, these dates have a way of blurring & shifting around but at least they are committing to something. Counting the days!!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 23:46:15 CEST 2001 from spider-wm012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.152)

Tommy

Lil; Welcome back, baby!

Ilkka; Thanks for that Donovan info! Donovan has also been credited , kinda, for the formation of Led Zepplin,too! John Paul Jones used to produce and arrange Donovan songs in the mid/late 60s...songs that Jimmy Page used to play on.I also have a good bootleg cd of Paul McCartney and Donovan playing acoustics and singing.It's pretty cool.McCartney does the little background vocals for 'Mellow Yellow', they sound good together, and Im suprised they never did any official recordings together.

Donovan's 1996 "comeback" album, SUTRAS, produced by Rick Rubin has some really nice songs and arrangements on it too.Check it out.Its mostly ethereal acoustic music...with a bit of mysticism thrown in.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 23:26:18 CEST 2001 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

I think the story of Warhol, Reed, Sedgwick, Robertson, and company is somewhat different.

After Dylan moved to Woodstock, The Hawks remained in NYC where they previously had been before touring with Bob. Robertson & Bourgesois (Dominique) were living in either the Chelsea district or Greenwich Village. They hung out with the Warhol crowd because Albert Grossman had just signed Edie to his stable and as we know Grossman was Dylan's manager, which the Hawks were signed under too. I think Bourgesois was still living in Montréal at the time and hadn't made any move in '66 until she went to Paris and met Robbie.

While living in Greenwich Village, Robbie heard that Lou Reed was bragging how good of a guitar player he was. Robbie went to check him out at a club and left after five minutes because he couldn't take it anymore. Although Robbie was influenced by Jimi Hendrix on how to put strings on a guitar and it would sound better in an odd fashion. That's another story.

AHROOO!!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 22:31:41 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Thanks Serge for sharing the wealth of materials from your Band archive.

Take care Diamond Lil -- it's good to hear from you again.

[:-)

Posted on Thu Apr 19 20:56:32 CEST 2001 from wcc6-239.wccnet.org (198.108.50.239)

Ribczar

Dan- Whamma Jamma is the song, Magic Dick is the harpist, Full House is the album, recorded live at the Cinderella Ballroom, Detroit around '76. Great covers of some great songs.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 20:29:00 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

WOOOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Levon Helm and The Barnbruners at Buddy Guy Legends right here in my own goddamn city. Hell yeah. I've been crying in this guestbook for almost a year. I had really given up asking. But right now I have to tell you that this hits the spot.

I was having a miserable day. Yesterday I found out my grandfather had a stroke. Today I found out my mom's uncle died this morning. I just bought a new house and every night I leave work to go and work on the new place which I have to have finished by May 1st before we get kicked out of our apartment.

Point being that I'm physically and mentally exhausted. I took some time on my lunch break to catch up with some Band related activity....and Lo and Behold. Great news. My alltime favorite drummer, and my own personal hero scheduled to come through town.

Very exciting. I haven't been able to travel to see any shows since the memphis shows last May. We saw the Allman Brothers on the Friday as I recall or Saturday. For the first time in fifteen years of seeing Allman shows I was disappointed. Alot of it had to do with Dickey being WAAAYYY off. Then we strolled up Beale Street sat down in the Lone Star and whadya know found myself sitting next to James Cotton. How cool was that. He bummed me a Newport and we all waited for the fun to start.

Really turned my day around. Thanks Jan for this nice little place to retreat to some friends.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 20:02:45 CEST 2001 from spider-ta072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.77)

Ben Pike

Peter Vinney: Interesting notes on accents. I do think, in my lifetime, Brits have gotten much better at doing American accents. Kate Benkensdale would be hard to spot as a ringer if you didn't know She was a brit, and I've noticed others too(seemingly, it used to be only Alec Guiness and Peter Sellers who could pull it off.). It's always been sort of interesting which Brit Rock singers keep their accents, don't, or sort of split the diference. I do think Americans can tell some of the class diferences in Brit accents, the nasal "upper class twit" from the working class(do they still say cockney?). That sort of Brit upper class accent seems to me much like the eastern American "preppie" accent, the sort of person who used to say "oh goodie!". Maybe they are from the same stock. I think Paul Simon was probably attempting to sound hip in some way, much as I love the guy, to me the Simon and Garfunkel albums probably hold up least well of the records I loved as a kid(The Monkee's never recorded a track worse than "We've got a Groovy Thing Goin, Baby"). That Monteray tape( I still probably have it around somewhere) was off a radio show.... It would make a great bootleg if you threw in Crosby's assaination rant....

Posted on Thu Apr 19 19:57:36 CEST 2001 from p3e9c2035.dip.t-dialin.net (62.156.32.53)

Wolle ( "The Band" Homepage-Germany )

Adventures are to the adventurous, and Carl Carlton has had quite a few of them. The musician and songwriter feels at home all over the world, just like his mascot, the one-eyed dog, symbol for the homeless adventurer Carl Carlton. Guitar-hero Carlton, originally born in Frisia, North Germany, but on the road since early youth, managed to make his name as an internationally renowned and extraordinarily talented musician. At the age of 17 he left home for good and moved to the Netherlands, where he signed up with rock bands like Herman Brood and Vitesse. A few years later he moved over to New York to play with Mink DeVille, from there he stopped over in London working for Manfred Mann and returned to play in Germany in this last decade, working with German stars like Udo Lindenberg, Peter Maffay and Wolfgang Niedecken. Carl Carlton currently lives in Dublin. And these are only the main stopovers of this adventurous and restless spirit, who finally makes his coming-out with the first solo album appearing now, „Revolution Avenue“. Truly the one and only globetrotter in all of Germany‘s guitar heroes, Carlton has been working continuously with drummer Bertram Engel and keyboarder Pascal Kravetz, all three of them playing for the above mentioned German artists, but there are international stars on their agenda too: Robert Palmer, Joe Cocker, Jimmy Barnes – to name a few. Nevertheless, all experiments with their own band New Legend failed. „Revolution Avenue“ would never have seen the light of day, were it not for Robert Palmer, who really talked Carlton into finally settling down to record his own stuff. So this is what happened in Louisiana’s Dockside Studios during Septmeber 2000. If the southerly atmosphere of the album makes you listen up, wait till you read the credits: Here we have a choice sample of musicians who made US-American rock history, starting from Ron Wood of the Rolling Stones, who happens to be an old pal of Carl’s , living in the Dublin vicinity, and who contributed two songs to the album, „Breathe On Me“ and „I Can Feel Ya Fya“. Then there’s Gary „Moses Mo“ Moore (guitars) and Jerry „Wizzard“ Seay (bass) of Mother’s Finest, the slide-guitarist Sonny Landreth, known for his work with John Hiatt, keyboarder Ian McLagan (Small Faces, Rolling Stones), and the two doyen of rock, Levon Helm (drums) and Garth Hudson (keyboards) of The Band. The spirit that made The Band a personification of American rock, their ability to express a whole generation’s hopes, dreams and fears, their feeling of homelessness and loss, of being disoriented and at the same time ready to go, as Greil Marcus described it in his famous rock book „Mystery Train“, this whole atmosphere is recalled in Carlton’s „Revolution Avenue“. The 13 tracks offer a bright collection of what makes the heart of American rock music, a truly traditional and wide-ranging masterpiece of Americana. An album that through to the smallest details breathes the odyssey of its author, who has managed to focus his musical passions with true soulmates at his side. No wonder that the album features „From Four To Late“ by Robert Johnson, foster-father of delta-blues-generated guitar-rock, and „God’s Gift To Man“ by Tom Petty. But, most importantly, Carl Carlton himself proves to be a versatile songwriter. If you like saddleproof shuffles, hot funk or down-to-earthRolling-Stones-style rock, this is your record. But there’s also room for that typical Mississippi-Delta blues and the swinging New Orleans-sound. „Revolution Avenue“ leads straight to the heart of the American soul - no detours, no side-steps. No wonder, when you consider the all-star line-up, but it does seem like a miracle that a German musician should be able to spiritualize this cultural heritage so immaculately. It’s been a long way to „Revolution Avenue“, but worthwhile every step. Seems like Carl Carlton has reached the fulfillment of his dreams, and when he sings „Coming Home“, you know his home really is where his heart is. The one-eyed adventurous dog has finally settled down! http://www.Carlcarlton.de

Posted on Thu Apr 19 19:40:44 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Peter: Thanks for the tip re accents. I'll try to find the Guardian article on their website. Best fancy English accent on a rock record that I can think of is Mike D'Abo on the Manfred Mann b-side, "By Request, Edwin Garvey". I always figured that it was D'Abo's megaphone work on that song that got him the role of Pontius Pilate in JC Superstar.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 18:58:51 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

John Cass

Is Bobby Keys a offical member of the Barnburners and if so how did they all hook up??? I think I saw the first show he did with them at the Higher Ground in VT, is was great. What a band!!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 18:46:56 CEST 2001 from dhcp58148.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.148)

Kicking Horse

OTIS SMITH LIVES: Otis, although having occasional trouble with Diabetes is doing remarkable well. I hear that he is looking for work in the music industry.. His voice is apparently still very strong. Talk about living the life; well, Otis certainly has. He still lives in Syracuse down off of West Colvin St. (by the old St. Anthony's Church). On a sadder note, his oldest daughter was recently killed in an auto accident on the New York State Thruway. This has to lay you low. Otis is a remarkable talent (when hes on his game). I for one would like to see him in front of an audience again. And remember "WELL DON't Yoou EVER PUT... all your eggs, IN JUST ONE BASKET"; cause if you do???????

Posted on Thu Apr 19 18:44:43 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

LIL!!!!!!!!! GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK!!!!!!!!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 17:34:47 CEST 2001 from ss0p0011.schwab.com (162.93.14.71)

Tod

I'm wondering if anyone can help me locate tapes or CDRs of any of the higher quality Butterfield/Danko Band performances from 1979 (or 82). One of the best shows I've ever seen was a '79 gig at Eugene's EMU Ballroom. It featured Blondie Chaplin. I notice the Tape Archive mentions a circulating FM from Boulder, 12/13/79. I believe there is also a high-quality tape from Memphis of that year, as well. And, from '82 there's an FM from Boston, apparently. I have plenty to trade. I would be most appreciative if someone can help me locate some of these. Thanks, Tod

Posted on Thu Apr 19 17:22:55 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.29.51.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.51)

Dexy

Check out Gerri Hirshey's new book WE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE, a history of women in r'n'r. Hirshey's one of the few best music writers, also wrote NOWHERE TO RUN, about r&b, and many excellent profiles in Rolling Stone and elsewhere.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 17:07:10 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-010.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.10)

Peter Viney

Ben: no, haven’t heard Paul Simon at Monterey. There aren’t a lot of Paul Simon boots around, or maybe I don’t know where to look. I’d love one of the recent tour. The British accent at Monterey might be the result of his recent year in London – most of my British friends in the USA pick up some American inflections within three months, even though to Americans they still sound British. Also American actors who are living in London (there are loads) usually sound slightly British to Americans. I saw “View from the Bridge” in Britain recently, and it was ruined by dreadfully fake American accents from a British cast. On the way home I saw that the worst offender, the lawyer, was the only genuine North American in the cast. He was played by a Canadian who’d lived in England for 20 years. If you have a musical ear, you tend to pick up the sounds around you. Or was Paul Simon deliberately taking the piss out of the British contingent at the festival? BTW, both Gwyneth Paltrow (Sliding Doors, Shakespeare in Love) and Meryl Streep can do perfect British accents, though if you’re being very picky Paltrow slightly over emphasises the lack of a “t” at the end of “not”. The Spinal Tap guys are very good too. The Guardian has an article on American perceptions of British accents this morning. It’s long and funny. But the bit on punk is worth repeating:

“Sid Vicious embodies the American idea of the great British punk: aggressive, foul-mouthed, depressing and silly. It takes more than attitude to be considered violent in America, it takes firepower – and British punks always seemed to be too fond of a cup of tea and a biscuit to be any threat to the old order. It’s difficult for Americans to think of British people engaging in violence. Even the term ‘football hooligan’ sounds quaint to American ears, just a step away from ‘lawn-tennis ruffian’, with none of the can-do impact of ‘disgruntled ex-postal worker.’”

And on Darth Vader & Anne Robinson (The Weakest Link): “Everybody in America knows that Satan is British, which is why anyone evil must be played by someone with a suitably English accent. All right, so the actor who did Vader’s voice, James Earl Jones, is from Mississippi, but that is beside the point. He sounds plenty evil, and that sounds British. From vampires and invading aliens to Bond villains and the bad animals in Disney cartoons, British is always best.”

On class:

“Americans are notoriously unable to make class distinctions based on (British) accents – they are confused by the fact that the people with the poshest English accents on US television invariably play butlers.”

Posted on Thu Apr 19 16:11:23 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

I'm with you Hank...there was a considerable edge to Robbie well before Velvet Underground. Just crank up "Who Do You Love" with the Hawk. Amazing stuff for 1963.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 15:10:34 CEST 2001 from dialup-268.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.12)

Hank

Donavan!

When I was a boy 4-7 years in NYC I would listen to "Sgt Pepper" and The White Album...almost exclusively.....one day, me dad, concerned, took 'em off me and gave a copy of Donavans "Season of The Witch" album...which, of course I listened to.....but not with the same passion, I must admit.....it's a great album, all the same......fast forward to 30 years later and Lo! and Behold!...Donavans lives in MALLOW, Co. Cork...which is my moms hometown and where we all moved to as a family when we left NYC in the mid- '70ies.....Donavan bought a huge pile outside of Mallow town in the '90ies.......his adopted son, Julian (Brian Jones son) has been at my gigs and one night, me and another guitarist found ourselves in Donavans pile outside of Mallow listening to rare Rolling Stones boots from "Beggars Banquet".......like "No Expectations" with NO piano and Brian Jones slide going all the way thru the song.....amazing, beautiful stuff.....met Donavan then , before and a few times since........I have to admit.....he's a very mellow, laid back dude...with a vague air of mysticism about him......

BROWN EYED GIRL!!!!!!!!.......I generally dig your, how shall I put this?...."punky" posts.....but are you serious to claim that RR , AFTER FIVE MINUTES of '66 VU.... CHANGED his guitar style??!!! I'm NOT saying yer wrong....it's just that I think that statement needs some clarification......the story I read once is that RR took a look at the much Warhol hyped VU and said of Lou...."He ain't so hot....."

.....which is perfectly true.....what Lou does with a guitar is kinda like what Neil Young does.....uses it, when apt, as an instument of sonic overkill to melt brains .....know what I mean? Reminds of something that Duane Allman once said of Neil Young in a guitar magazine special on Duane.....Apparently Duane said of Neil "that cat should NOT play lead guitar.......he writes some great songs but that cat should NOT play lead guitar!!!....."

I want to make it clear right now that I enjoy the songs and the guitar playing of ALL of the above.

I DON'T like Gary Moore playing the blues, tho'....Heavy Metal and Hard Rock with Thin Lizzy especially...YES....but that cat should'nt play the Blues, man........

Posted on Thu Apr 19 14:46:17 CEST 2001 from spider-wc063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.48)

bob wigo

BEG you wrote.....

"unfortunately Robbie only lasted about five minutes......but he would acquire an edge to his music that would change the direction of his playing thanks in part to the VU.........."

The only commentary I have ever seen from RR on the VU was clearly negative. Did he ever acknowledge a change in his direction after his five minute VU experience?

While I have total respect for your feelings about Lou Reed's talents and you have every right to enjoy his work, I can only say that while he may be a fairly talented wordsmith he is, at the same time, one of the least musical "musicians" I have ever seen or heard perform live.

My feeling is that Lou is no less an imposter than his late counterpart Andy Warhol. That whole scene has always smacked of "self appointment" to me. There has always been far more salesmanship than substance and he has masterfully traded on his image for a very long time.Yes there have been a few strong musical moments but honestly, they have been few and far between. Good business? Yes, and more power to him. A body of good music? That is clearly open for debate.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 14:35:10 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Paul Simon's crack band of "One Trick Pony": I remember seeing a demo of a killer laserdisc system at a stereo show years ago in which the program material was an excellent live concert by Paul Simon and that band with Richard Tee, et. al. Other than Simon's propensity around that time to get really stoned and occasionally lose his sense of pitch both on guitar and vocals, it was a fertile period for him. Except that he insisted on playing that black electric guitar then.

While I would not consider myself a "failed guitar player, I was drafted, and yes I was the weakest of three guitar players (I suck at leads). I ran across a couple of guys jamming in the basement of the student union one day and picked up an idle bass. They called a few weeks later and asked me to come jam with them again. I asked should I bring my guitar, and they said "No, you're the bass player now". I still play guitar, almost always acoustic, but 20+ years later, in bands I am always on bass. Bass playing is more attitude than ability. One foot in the rhythm, one in the melody. The pivot man, the shortstop of Rock and Roll. And yes, you do have to go out and buy all new equipment!! But the up side is you get to play with a much better class of guitar player than you are!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 13:02:58 CEST 2001 from du178-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.178)

Ilkka (yes, the same one)

Tommy's thread: DONOVAN

In the late 60's Donovan was bigger than Dylan in this part of Europe. The British pop, beat and even the blues were bigger than the American.

AS A FOLK SINGER - Donovan heard poems spoken at his home. His father read them, they were like the music. At the age of fifteen he wanted to be and write like the bohemians: Allen Ginsberg, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Jack Kerouac. He was writing songs on the road, hitchhiking, like a romantic gipsy writer. Like many British rock artists he has gone to the Art Schools (Mick Jagger, David Bowie, John Mayall - Peter can certainly add a few more). Many painters, fashion designers and writers have their roots in those schools. There was revolution in the air. The young people from Nordic Countries spent the summer months in England and came back with the same beatnik ideas.

AS A PROTEST SINGER - Donovan's father was old style socialist, a common man. Woody Guthrie's songs made Donovan radical. Buffy Saint-Marie's pacifistic song 'Universal Soldier' became Donovan's big hit. People were optimistic: a song can change people's viewpoint and the world. - Was it a failure? The door opened in to the media, Donovan pushed the ideas to the TV (in opposite to Dylan). Millions of people came in to contact with them and after that there was no turning back. Today's ideas of environment, Attac etc. in the media show that all was not a failure.

AS A HIPPIE - Donovan spent some time in India studying meditation together with The Beatles, one Beach Boy and Mia Farrow. It was a BIG media thing back then. "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is from that period like Donovan's joke in the concerts about John Lennon who claps the head of Yogi Mahareshi Mahesh and says: "You are a groovy guru". And the story continues: George Harrison wrote a verse for that song but it never was recorded because Jimmy Page's guitar solo was so great and the single was already two seconds over three minutes long. I'd like to take the right in my own hands and give you here the long lost verse by George Harrison:
"When the truth gets buried deep
beneath thousand years of sleep
it's time for a man to turn around
and once again the truth is found."

AS A MAN IN HIS MIDDLE YEARS - Donovan's idea has been to write (even) of serious subjects, to do songs with a simple melody, to present them in an entertaining way, to reach many people. Although he remembers the 60's with warmness as the years of discovering he fears to become tragic, lose the wonder, be melancholic and nostalgic. Instead of the past and the future the ever-present true, the reality, The New, was moving in the concert room when he sang "The Lullaby Of Spring":
"So begins another Spring:
In the new-born rabbit's heart
River of life is flowing."

Posted on Thu Apr 19 09:35:09 CEST 2001 from spider-ta043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.63)

Ben Pike

Of Don and Paul: Donovan is quite underated overall. This is partly because of his hippy dippy bent(favorite song title:"The Sun is a very magic fellow") and off course his famous dissing by Dylan. Vinney, have you ever heard Simon and Garfunkel at Monteray? Simon is not only very stoned, he speaks in a PAINFULLY affected British accent. It is really funny; you can understand why it is kind of a rare tape. Which reminds me, allthough the Byrds at Monteray has been issued, they cut out David Crosby's pre "He was a friend of mine" rant against the Warren commission, which I have heard and is amazing. If anyone else has heard this, or knows how I can get ahold of it, please let me know.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 09:02:29 CEST 2001 from du39-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.39)

Ilkka

Thread: BASS PLAYERS - Thanks Bayou Sam for the response. There are all kinds of bass instruments from tuba to bass balalaika which need professionalism. Like a piano player needs his/her left hand an orchestra needs bass players. My father sang in a choir, yes - bass. Is there a special bass gene? Any scientist here...

My apologies to failed wood choppers for hurting you by calling you for drummers ;-)

Posted on Thu Apr 19 06:55:07 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-217-139.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.217.139)

Dan Blood

John Cass I disagree. Did you ever hear Sonny Terry play the harp accompanied by Brownie Magee on his Martin guitar? If you like the Chicago blues your list is okay, but I prefer lighter acoustic stuff. Dylan was/is the master of the light and ethereal.

But speaking of heavy blues and hard rock, anyone remember that harmonica tune from the J. Geils Live record? Controlled choas.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 06:35:21 CEST 2001 from 1cust245.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.16.48.245)

rollie

For more on Howie Wyeth, check out his "home" page at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/performance/2780/

Posted on Thu Apr 19 06:08:34 CEST 2001 from 1cust245.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.16.48.245)

rollie

Dr Pepper-Nice to see your post on Howie Wyeth. I had the good fortune to "work" with Howie,(as did virtually every other "player" I knew in NYC at the time, as he was truly a musicians musician who worked all the time it seemed)and seeing him posted here brings back some fond memories. I spoke to him shortly before he passed, still gigging, playing a lot of piano, even though he was known as the drummer for the Rolling Thunder Revue. Piano was in fact his first instrument(as Harry Holt would always point out to me on our gigs at Dan Lynchs back in the big apple) and he even appeared on Blues Travelers first record on piano.I always remember him as being very friendly to a neophyte harpist/singer, trying to find his way around the lower east in NY. Another soul,"Too soon gone".

Posted on Thu Apr 19 04:25:55 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

The All Night Workers were Otis and the All Night Workers when I got to be old enough for Rock n Roll to set in. Otis was Otis Smith who later lived in Woodstock with Sredni Vollmer and Howie Wyeth. Mr Sredni Vollmer needs no introduction, right? Howie and Otis got hired to play with Bob Dylan and to tour with him. When it was time to go to Japan, the Japanese had a problem with some of Howies "credentials" and told Mr. Dylan to find himself a new drummer if he wanted to play in Japan. Otis told the Land of the Rising Sun, Sayonara in protest of the treatment of his drummer buddy. Howie was also a Syracuse University guy if I remember right. Another trivia question: What Syracuse University graduate appeared on the cover of Penthouse magazine alone with George Burns?

Posted on Thu Apr 19 03:47:47 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp235.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.235)

Lil Again

Reading a bit here to try and catch up. Eric Burdon was on the same bill as The Band in June of 1986 at Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. I can't rememeber who played when, but I think The Band (back on the road after Richard's death) opened for Burdon. I remember it being a great show.

I also have a cassette tape here, given to me by a friend, of The Animals from 1987..in which the print on the cassette sleeve is in Portugese and the tape was put out by "Topline Records" in Denmark. Weird.. The songs on it are: House of the Rising Sun, It's my life, Boom Boom, Night time is the right time, We gotta get out of this place, Don't let me be misunderstood, When I was young, and Knights in white satin. Does anyone else have this?

Posted on Thu Apr 19 03:26:54 CEST 2001 from spider-syd-aa013.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.133)

terry callaghan

great site about a great group.full of information i did not know.have sent me on a wonderful search for music i have yet to hear

Posted on Thu Apr 19 03:23:54 CEST 2001 from spider-ta032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.57)

Bayou Sam

llka - NO, NO ,NO. - You misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear enough. I meant that McCartney gave a new respect to the bass player. Before Paul, a bassist - or maybe more specifically, a rock bassist - was the guy who couldn't play guitar, or the guy who got "stuck" on bass. In fact, Paul was one of the guitar players with George and John in the early Beatles, and when Stu Sutcliffe left the Beatles and they needed someone to switch to bass, it was Paul because JL and GH reused to. John Lennon once said that Paul never seemed to realize what a great bass player he is...As Bob R. pointed out - Paul is an excellent guitar player. The other great McCartney lead that I would add to Bob's list is the lead on Taxman. Another tribute to Macca's talent is when half of Wings left him right as they were going to record Band on the Run. As a result, Paul is playing the drums and alot of the guitar on that album......BTW, I have thought for a long time that Paul McCartney is probably the most versitile talent in rock music. I know that's a huge statement, but look at the guy's career. I mean, he wrote Yesterday AND Helter Skelter.

Elly = I love the Animals. I always liked Eric Burdon's voice. They did a grea reunion album with the original line up in 1981? called "Arc". I don't know if you have that, but you'd enjoy it if you're a fan. I wonder if it's on CD. I've got it on vinyl.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 02:56:42 CEST 2001 from spider-we063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.48)

Tommy again...

Hey, are there any DONOVAN fans here? I got into him awhile back through my brother, who was/is a big fan.Getting past the initial wistfullness of his mid/late 60s-early 70s music, you really get a sense of some good stuff going on.Complex stuff.Alot of jazz and afro-cuban influences, classical influences and of course, folk music.AND there are the straight ROCK numbers, too (dont be so suprised-haha)It sounds fruity at first, but his songs grow on you in a creepy kinda way...like they have some seedy underbelly (well, maybe Im thinking TOO much).

Check it out if you dont know any of it..I suggest 'Hurdy Gurdy Man', or 'A Gift From A Flower to A Garden'.I have some of his early straight-folk style albums too (but on vinyl).Dylan-esque, to make it simple.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 02:48:39 CEST 2001 from spider-we063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.48)

Tommy

JCF; 89.8 is a great radio station!!! I came across it by chance a few months ago (while my cd player was broken...maybe some here will remember me complaining about it) and have been listening since (although I tune out when they start getting wacky and play that "avant garde" Noise stuff).My favorite is the old blues and dixieland music.Great stuff!!!

Help me folks!!! I am addicted to eBay!!! I've bought sooo much stuff in the last week! I am a JUNKIE! I got some pretty cool rock'n'Roll memoribilia though.A BIG Last Waltz sticker from the 70s, a Police t-shirt, some McCartney out-of-print videos to name a few.I'm gonna be in HOCK soon!

Posted on Thu Apr 19 02:40:09 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Correction: Sterling Morrison never officially attended Syracuse University but spent a lot of time sitting in on classes and just hanging out with Louuuuuuu. The artist Jim Dine (I really like his interpretations of hearts in his paintings), the New York Fashion Designer Betsey Johnson (later married John Cale) and the film producer Peter Guber all graduated in Reed's class of 1964. It has been observed that while colleges in New York and Boston produced folksingers in the style of Bob Dylan.........Syracuse created a bunch of proto-punk rockers. It is interesting to note that Louuuuu never wanted to play harmonica......he did not want any comparisons to Dylan......except as an excellent songwriter who was very literate.....it was the novel writing style and poetry that would direct Lou's songwriting......I appreciate both Louuuuuu and Dylan immensely because they are foremost songwriters.......

The only Band and Louuuu connection that I know about is in relation to Robbie (I have posted about this connection before)........Domenique Robertson (a freelance French-Canadian journalist) was a good friend of Edie Sedgwick (Andy Warhol's reigning superstar) wanted him to see the VU perform. At the time it was also a real novelty that the drummer was a female.....Maureen Tucker......unfortunately Robbie only lasted about five minutes......but he would acquire an edge to his music that would change the direction of his playing thanks in part to the VU..........

Posted on Thu Apr 19 02:31:36 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp235.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.235)

Diamond Lil

Visited Rick's grave today..just felt like saying 'hey'.. which got me to thinking about everyone here in Hoiberg haven..so I thought I'd stop in and say hi to all of you as well. I haven't been reading recent posts, so I can't offer anything relevant (and yes..I know..that hasn't stopped me before :-) but I guess you guys have all been on my mind. Hope everyone's well and happy. Have a nice night.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 02:17:16 CEST 2001 from ool-18b9acac.dyn.optonline.net (24.185.172.172)

Elly

Anyone like the Animals????? "We've Gotta Get Out of This Place" and "It's My Life" and the great Eric Burdon's great vocals on "Send You Back To Walker".... Love to do a remake of "Smiling Faces Sometimes" By The Undisputed Truth with him..He is really a great guy who I understand respects the Native American Peaceful Way!!!! I am also a great fan of Bill Withers..One of the best writers so long standing: "When I'm Kissing My Love" "Who Is He, What Is He To You?..Also Quicksilver Messenger Service: "Gone Again" and "The Truth".. Anyone remember the 5th Dimension: "It'll Never Be The Same Again" "This is the DAWNING OF THE AGE OF Aquarius" "California My Way" and then there's Santana's: Open Your Eyes and Begin With Me, Brand New Day, Fresh New Way To Live, The Morning Is Calling, Come with me and do this song.."Everything is Coming Our Way..." and "Well, Allright" "I'm Winning"..and then there's always Nessun Dorma-don't mess with Norma! Babe-Take the high road and I'll be in Scotland Before ya! Love, Elly

Posted on Thu Apr 19 01:58:35 CEST 2001 from dialup-mo-91-8.bourbon.fidnet.com (216.229.91.8)

Mike Blunt

I play in a band called Bourbon and Waterloo and we cover a couple songs by the band. They were so great at there peak, tight,slick and great tunes. Everything was about the song not the individual and thats what made them great. We try to use that same concept in our band and I believe we are better for it. Have a nice day everyone and keep playin em. Mike

Posted on Thu Apr 19 01:17:49 CEST 2001 from 1cust65.tnt6.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.112.65)

Hi

Picking up a couple threads.....Michael Esposito formerly of the Blues Magoos is a fine bassist who is still an active musician in the Woodstock area .

Posted on Thu Apr 19 01:11:59 CEST 2001 from (62.46.8.26)

Marcus Duller

The biggest and greatest band I´ve ever heard!!!!!!! Cheers Marcus

Posted on Thu Apr 19 00:28:17 CEST 2001 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

Friends and helpers waiting for replies and/or followups to requests and contributions:

Work and life is a little too busy right now to attend to the backlog of e-mails and everything else properly. Please be patient. Enjoy Linn and Patrik's additions to the site while I am trying to catch up here. Thanks.

Posted on Thu Apr 19 00:25:39 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Alice Cooper is a Born Again - He was quoted in the NY Post saying Marilyn Manson (who's a huge Cooper fan) needs a good shot of morality.., yeah

Posted on Thu Apr 19 00:18:13 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

David Powell: great points about the highly under-rated Chris Hillman. I'll be seeing him in concert with the similarly overlooked Herb Pederson next week. I'm looking forward to it...

Posted on Wed Apr 18 23:49:49 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Norbert: Thanks for reminding me.....I knew Electric Earring was wrong.....you are right.....the Dutch group I was referring to was Golden Earring......however, still like Sjako! the best of the Dutch groups and they like The Band too!!!!!

Bill M: please continue to keep us posted about Michael Fonfara......the first time I was exposed to his playing was on my Special Limited Edition Direct-To Disc recording of "Rough Trade Live".

Bones: I only saw Cassandra Wilson perform with Robbie Robertson and another time with Van Morrison on videos......wow......I would love to see all three together perform live......sorry if I misled you!!!!!

Richard P: I only know that Louuuuu was only 14 when he released his first record "So Blue" (1957) in a high school group called The Shades on the Time label with "Leave Her For Me" on the flip-side. Some other groups he was playing with Sterling Morrison (early Ike and Tina Turner numbers) ........Moses And His Brothers, Pasha And The Prophets, L.A. and The El Doradoes.........

For those of you who are interested in what happened to Sterling Morrison after the 1993 VU reunion gig......he went back to being a tugboat captain on the Gulf of Mexico. Sterling died a couple of years later with lymphoma, a form of cancer in Poughkeepsie, NY......Joey Ramone died from the same disease.......Sterling was also a student at Syracuse as well as......Felix Cavalieri of The Young Rascals (simply love "People Got To Be Free"!!!, Mike Esposito of The Blues Magoos and Garland Jeffreys who I first heard on the music scene singing his song "Wild In The Streets"......another gifted songwriter......

Posted on Wed Apr 18 23:41:40 CEST 2001 from cache2.ev1.net (207.218.245.7)

Laura Holt Lorfing

Hello GB'ers! Wow..it's been quite awhile since I have opened the GB door. Had to scroll down quite a bit to read all the post in here lately. Trying to get my vinyl collection completed as far as "Band" albums are concerned so if anyone knows where I can locate a mint condition "Big Pink" and "Cahoots" please tell me. My "Band" album collection would then be complete. Listening to these gems on the ole turn table is such a great thing. The sound is so much fuller. Very hard to explain but I'm sure those of you that take a trip down the vinyl valley know what I'm talking about. This has been one of my laid back hobbies while I wait out the last few months of pregnancy. I know this is an old topic of discussion but in scrolling down the post I must put in my vote for best harp player....Paul Butterfield most definite and I can't believe I forget his name but Mr. front man himself of "Blues Traveler" is also quite excellent. PEACE ALL! and .. Hello Donna from PA!! :)

Posted on Wed Apr 18 22:57:12 CEST 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Continuing this thread regarding bass players as "failed" guitarists--Paul Mccartney could never be placed in that catagory because he is in fact a superb guitar player-- witness his playing on many Beatle tracks: Blackbird, Mother Natures Son,the lead guitar on Ticket to Ride and Drive My Car, and having seen him in concert he played a LOT of lead guitar that night--he's got a great sound... also dont forget "Maybe I'm amazed", The Band on the Run album...the list goes on & on....

Posted on Wed Apr 18 21:54:28 CEST 2001 from wcc6-239.wccnet.org (198.108.50.239)

Ribczar

Ajr- I agree with you. I think creativity is out there, it's just a matter of "stumbbling" into it. I think the internet in that regard is exciting for music, musicians, and music lovers. To your point, A good example of the marriage of "contemparary" creativity and "traditional" sensibilities can be found in the Gourd's rendition of "Gin & Juice" by Snoop Dog. The Gourds in my opinion are keeping the flame and turning the tables, so to speak. At the very least they are worth stubbing your toe on. See web site...Bolsa De Agua...Primo stuff, right off the ice cream truck!

Posted on Wed Apr 18 21:40:40 CEST 2001 from m20677150209.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.209)

pehr

Add to David Powell's post that Rick and Paul were gifted with a sense of harmony that is beyond most all reason!

Rick was a great acoustic player, some wild fingerings I remember, and very strong hands needed to do some of what he did.

indeed!

Posted on Wed Apr 18 20:55:26 CEST 2001 from dm2c81.bell.ca (198.235.69.171)

Richard

Uh... Lou Reed and Robbie Robertson were hanging around tin pan alley at the same time maybe?

Posted on Wed Apr 18 20:31:37 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

Richard, I guess you are right but that isn't the connection that I was thinking of.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 19:59:07 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I too disagree that talented bassists like Rick Danko and Paul McCartney could be considered "failed guitarists". The fact is that, in the music business, when opportunity comes knocking, the role that often needs to be filled is that of the bassist. This is mainly due to numbers -- almost everyone wants to learn to play the guitar and the result is an overabundance of six-stringers out there looking for bassists to accompany them. Sometimes it seems that there not enough bass players to go around to meet the demand.

In comparison to the guitar, despite common belief, playing the bass is not any less demanding, rather it requires a different approach and the development of different set of skills. With naturally talented musicians like Danko & McCartney, also valued for their skills as vocalists, they proved they could switch to another instrument as the situation demanded. This didn't make them any less of musician, but rather showed that they could use their gifts to step in and fill any role as needed.

Another example is Chris Hillman. As a teenager, he began his professional career playing mandolin in bluegrass groups. When the opportunity arose to join the rock 'n roll group, the Byrds, the role that needed to be filled was that of a bassist. It's true that on their early recordings, session bassists played on the Byrds records. Mr. Hillman, however, soon proved himself as a gifted bassist as he developed his skills over a few years time. Following the departures of Gene Clark and David Crosby from the group, Mr. Hillman soon got the opportunity to prove his abilities as a singer & songwriter also. Once again, another example of when opportunity knocks, the gifted can step up & fill whatever role that the situation demands.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 19:31:19 CEST 2001 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (213.51.109.69)

Norbert

b.e.g......SORRY!!!......Brown Eyed Girl......Golden Earring is the name of that group......and sure, the Sjako! cd "Page" is yours now!...... ;-)

Posted on Wed Apr 18 19:31:43 CEST 2001 from dm2c82.bell.ca (198.235.69.172)

Richard

DR PEPPER: Easy : ) Prof. Louie did the digital restoration on the re-issues of the first 2 Fugs Albums... Peter Stampfel was in the Fugs and the All Night Workers...

PROF. LOUIE: Is there a chance you could do the next three Fugs???

Posted on Wed Apr 18 19:17:25 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

Here's a tough one. How about an "All Night Workers"/Band connection?

Posted on Wed Apr 18 19:05:35 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Brown Eyed Girl: You said in your post that you saw Robbie and Van jam together with Cassandra Wilson. I would love to hear more of that story. I know that Robbie and Van have collaborated with her, but your post sounds like you saw them all together.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 18:34:47 CEST 2001 from dap-209-114-164-231.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.164.231)

Mary (bear)

YES, YES, YES, THAT IS ALL I CAN SAY YES!!!!!! I am so happy to see Levon and the Barnburners are coming again to Moondogs. I am going to work to today to request my day off. If I don't get the day off, what the hell, I will call off that day. I am bringing some friends and family along. Can't wait to see Levon and Amy again, Butch, and I am looking forward to seeing Amy Jo and Ray again, Dave the drummer ( hopefully we will be formally introduced this time), and others I have met in the past. Can't wait to see you all.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 17:48:25 CEST 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Saturday, April 21st, 9 pm, at Tribeca Blues, 16 Warren St, New York City: "Dead Center All-Stars" featuring Levon Helm, Buddy Cage of NRPS, Michael Falzarano of Hot Tuna, with special guests Amy Helm & Tom Hanway and "surprise opening act". Call (212)766-1070 for more info. Thanks, all!

Posted on Wed Apr 18 16:19:13 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Oh yes, Gene, don't forget that ex-Hawk Sandy Konikoff is also on that Jesse Edwin Davis LP.

As for the Blues Magoos, who someone mentioned, a latter-day member was future Woodstocker Eric Kaz. No end of Band links to that guy.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 16:15:45 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Sherry: The quickest way from Doris to the Band that I can think of would be via her son, Terry Melcher, who leads us to both Paul Revere and the Raiders AND the Beach Boys. Then choose one of several routes: perhaps through Freddy Weller, Joe South and "Blonde on Blonde", or perhaps through Blondie Chaplin, or ...

Posted on Wed Apr 18 15:59:53 CEST 2001 from dm2c82.bell.ca (198.235.69.172)

Richard

BEG: Have you ever heard of an early Lou Reed group called the All Night Workers? I noticed the following item in eBay while searching for Peter Stampfel...

"LOU REED HIS RAREST 45 THE ALL NIGHT WORKERS - This is probably the rarest record in all of Lou Reeds career. It's a 1965 release on Round Sound by The All Night Workers. The All Night Workers are Lou Reed, Lloyd Baskin, Peter Stampfel and Mike Esposito - all Syracuse-area mates of Lou Reed and John Cale. Baskin went later on to Seatrain, Stampfel to the Fugs, Holy Modal Rounders, and a solo career, and Esposito went to the Blue Magoos. Both John Cale and Lou Reed are credited as writers and this was the first time that they were co-writers on any song. This 45 grades a very nice..." (blah blah blah).

...reserve not yet met... hmmm...

Posted on Wed Apr 18 14:04:11 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

A few musicians who were classically trained: Stephen "Cat" Coore guitarist of reggae group Third World was a child cello prodigy.....when I saw them in concert he treated the audience to his classical roots......John Cale of The Velvet Underground: viola and keyboards......did anyone catch their reunion show in Paris (1993)? I have to admit......the live version on their reunion recording of "Sweet Jane" is my least favourite. But I still would have loved to have seen Sterling Morrison perform.......perhaps for the last time........Garth Hudson from London, Ontario Canada who we know plays organ, clavinette, piano, accordian, soprano, tenor and baritone-sax and slide.......trumpet!!!!! Pat Benatar and Sarah McLachlan from Nova Scotia, Canada were also classically trained.

Favourite foreign group: Sjako!.......sorry Eddie and Alex Van Halen......or the group who sing "Radar Love".....something Earring.

Many thanks to Dave Hopkins for recommending a couple of recordings by Cassandra Wilson! When I saw Robbie Robertson and Van Morrison jam and perform with her.......I knew I needed to check her out more seriously.

What ever happened to Kate Bush?????

Yes Bashfull Bill.....Louuuuuu did graduate from Syracuse University with a degree in literature......his mentor was Delmore Schwartz.....who I have mentioned before......again I highly recommend his book "In Dreams Begin Responsibilities". It was this particular book that inspired Louuuu to try and write songs as if they were mini novels.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 13:35:17 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-099.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.99)

Peter Viney

You know sometimes on this site you notice the time difference. I usually visit in the morning and 90% of the day’s traffic has passed since my evening check. Then I usually have several threads to pick up.

Paul Simon: “At the Zoo” was on “Bookends”, but was used as filler with “Hazy Shade of Winter”, and it really shows I’ve always felt. Corny describes it perfectly. Take off those two tracks (and replace them with stuff as good as the rest of the album) and you have a genuine contender for all those Best 20 Albums of all Times lists. Paul Simon is massively under-rated. His current band is incredible – really putting everyone else in the shade. I guess he’s got several problems – he’s a perfectionist, “Bridge over Troubled Water” was too big a worldwide hit for critics ever to forgive the commercial success, and some people never forgave Graceland (the musicians involved expressed their delight and still play with him). Suffice it to say, I have a six disc autochanger in the car, and slots 3, 4, 5 and 6 have permanent residents: 3 is my own Band compilation, 4 is my own Dylan focussing on the wordy stuff – Visions of Johanna, Changing of the Guards etc, 5 is my own classic 60s soul compilation and 6 is Paul Simon’s latest greatest hits collection. 1 & 2 are current things. And 6 gets played most (Graceland is my wife’s favourite album).

Calling bass players failed guitarists is nonsense, though some notably are. But not any of the good ones. My belief is that playing bass can be an accident of age. A frequent scenario is that everyone forms their first band with acoustic guitars, and because you don’t need three guitars, someone has to invest in a bass. This might be a matter of money. And it might well be the youngest who has to. Kids who’ve studied cello or violin have an instant head start on bass and might even miss the 6-string stage. Kids who’ve studied piano too, because they’re already thinking about the left hand. Another scenario (which Rick Danko fits) is when someone gets “promoted” from a minor band to a bigger band. Part of the deal might be switching to bass – Robbie did it before Rick. Actually though most guitarists assume they can play bass, not that many are any good. There is a feel and a question of ear as well as having thicker skin on the thumb. Jimi Hendrix was an honourable exception as a guitarist who could play mean bass, but then Noel Redding was recruited for his hairstyle, not his bass playing – I’m not joking! Both Levon and Randy used to put down a very solid line on bass guitar, probably because drummers know where to lay a rhythm.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 11:36:07 CEST 2001 from du62-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.62)

Ilkka

Thread: BASS PLAYERS
Bayou Sam said that Paul McCartney was not only a failed guitarist. It hit me hard as a bass player. I could say that drummers are only failed woodchoppers. - Some of the most interesting electric bass players have a classical background from symphony orchestras (failed cello players maybe?) or have played jazz.
My friend Ragtime, what have the piano players failed with? Counting frozen fish sticks in a short order restaurant at the rush our? Yes, there is a Band connection: "Frozen fingers at the keyboard..."

Posted on Wed Apr 18 05:51:06 CEST 2001 from dialin-30.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.61)

Gene

Richard, you are correct!!! Jesse Edwin Davis II indeed!

Posted on Wed Apr 18 05:37:38 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517244.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.115)

Richard

GENE: Jessie Davis?

Thanks to GENE and CHARLIE YOUNG for info on where to find Lovin Spoonful's "Blues in the Bottle"

Posted on Wed Apr 18 05:35:11 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Bassmanlee: John Sebastian's father was also named John Sebastian. He was a great CLASSICAL harmonica player. He put out a few albums and once appeared on "The David Frost Show" with his more famous son. John, Jr. even wrote a children's book based on his childhood called "J.B.'s Harmonica," illustrated by his godfather, Garth Williams (who also illustrated "Charlotte's Web!").

Posted on Wed Apr 18 05:28:42 CEST 2001 from dialin-30.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.61)

Gene

Sorry. Last clue, the album has a cover of Van's "Crazy Love"

Posted on Wed Apr 18 05:23:43 CEST 2001 from spider-tr074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.209)

Bashful Bill

This is a wild guess-Elliot Murphy?

Posted on Wed Apr 18 04:55:17 CEST 2001 from dialin-30.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.61)

Gene

Nope...although Leon Russell (keyboards) and James Gordon (baritone sax and clarinet) also have credits on this Mystery Guy's first album.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 04:35:23 CEST 2001 from pm451-04.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.62)

twilight

Gene - Delaney & Bonnie?

Posted on Wed Apr 18 03:16:49 CEST 2001 from dialin-30.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.61)

Gene

That's great - Hendrix and Clapton on Stephen Still's first album...I'll have to get a copy.

Anybody know who's first album had Clapton (guitars) and Gram Parsons (vocal accompanist)?

Posted on Wed Apr 18 02:03:16 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

Brien--I don't think this is a stagnant time creatively. There's probably all sorts of innovative & exciting developments happening in, for example, electronica and computer games. It's hard to pick the trends when you are living in the times. There is too much information to filter. I think that is probably part of the reason I don't personally keep up that much with recent music etc. It's much easier (for me) and, in many respects more rewarding, to get into acknowledged classics--like The Band.

Albums I accidentally got into? Yes by Morphine is probably at least in my top 50 of all time favourites. I would never have heard it if some friends hadn't left the tape in my car. Come to think of it that’s how I first heard Blue Valentine by Tom Waits too.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 01:31:24 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

JUST WONDERING.......Would anyone with a scanner be able to upload a good sized Moondog Matinee "Poster" showing The Hawks. I love that color poster brining back memories of the early Toronto days. There is a really good small small pic on the site; but I would love to see one at 1024/768 or 800/600. Thank you. I have a scanner but it's way to small to do the poster, even in sections.

Posted on Wed Apr 18 01:17:13 CEST 2001 from spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.179)

Sherry

My apologies to all for letting things get out of hand. Picking up on a mention in John's post - Doris Day/Band link? Now there's a challenge! Thanks for all the interesting posts and information, and the cordial e-mails. Bill W., Ben, and Twilight - truce? And thanks for the lively discussion!

Posted on Wed Apr 18 00:15:11 CEST 2001 from st-catherines-ppp126357.sympatico.ca (209.226.233.16)

Richard

I'd like to second the opinion of DAVE (the drummer). The Old 97's are one of the best bands around at the moment. 'Old Fight Songs' is already a classic and the new CD 'Satelite Rides' is at least as good, and comes with a bonus live CD... (Think the Replacements trying to play Byrds songs and actually pulling it off). Must have been a great show DAVE... I hoped they make it to Canada soon...

Peter Stampfel and the Bottle Caps: For those interested, the following is from the Bottle Caps Website... " The Bottle Caps have finished a third album - ' the Jig is UP!'. Cobbled together at Bubble Music over a period of nine years, the recording features music spanning the last three centuries...and a song with nearly thirty verses about squid. More audio samples from this recording will be available at this site soon. A bidding war amongst the music industry's major labels will certainly follow." The link above is to the Bottle Caps site...

I only just heard 'Hearts and Bones' in it's entirety for the first time a few weeks ago... I don't know it well enough to quote song titles but I quite enjoyed it... My fave is still the first solo Paul Simon (even over 'Graceland'), with that killer Stephane Grappelli song and 'Duncan' etc...

Happy listening folks... : )

Posted on Tue Apr 17 23:59:27 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

I also had the same questions as Bones resulting from the RR article. Does anyone out there know the answers.

Regards!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 23:54:59 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

mattk

Peter, One Trick Pony was a pretty horrific film, but it's my #2 after Graceland. For me it marks the high-water mark for Simon's ballads ("How the Heart Approaches What It Yearns," "Nobody," "Oh Marion," "God Bless the Absentee," and "Jonah" are incredibly moving and whistful songs for me). The three "up tempo" songs are probably the weak sisters on the album (though "Late in the Evening" is a lot of fun - the title cut and "Ace in the Hole" - minus Richard Tees fab vocal on the second verse - leave a bit to be desired).

Additionally, of all of his albums, OTP represents Simon's version of the same formula that Sting took on "Dream of the Blue Turtles" - get a killer band (Tony Levin, Steve Gadd, Richard Tee, Eric Gale) spice it with some studio punches from Ralph McDonald, Hugh McCracken, Hiram Bullock, Joe Beck, Jon Faddis, Patti Austin, et al) and let them work the songs.

For a moment, Simon actually has a real ensemble feel going there, better (to me) than Simon gets on "Live Rhymin'" though not as nice on his solo "Central Park" album (I saw that band three times on that tour and they SMOKED).

Posted on Tue Apr 17 23:46:47 CEST 2001 from 66-65-33-197.nyc.rr.com (66.65.33.197)

jcf

Is that the At the Zoo song I am thinking of Peter? I have not heard that in years, but remember it being real corny... Lately I have been hearing Rick Danko in the vocals of quite different vocalists. For instance the lead in the Duran Duran song Hungry Like the Wolf. I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that Danko sang quite uniquely, and better than most of these other singers. For those interested, WKCR (89.8 f.m here in New York City) will be having their annual- day long- Charles Mingus bithday broadcast this upcoming Sunday.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 23:43:25 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I couldn't think of sad albums.., James Taylor -Fire and Rain? How bout Suzanne Vega?

What about best albums/cd's bought on a whim or came across by accident or were given that you at first shrugged your shoulders to.., Mine, Rock of Ages.., I saw the Last Waltz on HBO in ther early 80's (never heard of the Band before this), wrote the name of the group down, went to the record store, gasped at the price of the three lp set.., since i couldn't remember any of the songs they played, i picked up ROA Volume 1. I couldn't afford to buy the second one at the time..... One other gem.., Mark Germino and the Sluggers - Radartown.., bought it on a whim and it has continued to always be a top 20 cd of mine.., It has many Band like qualities. Also, Tormato by Yes.., it was given as a gift when i was in the eigth grade, i had never heard of them before either.., and that was my first favorite rock group.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 23:30:40 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-014.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.14)

Peter Viney

Excellent call on “Hearts and Bones” and I agree that “Cars are Cars” is the “At the Zoo” of this album. Hearts and Bones has some wonderful contra bass lines and is a wrongly under-rated album. For me it comes second, right after Graceland in his work. I also still like to give “One Trick Pony” a listen, especially “Late in the Evening.”

Posted on Tue Apr 17 22:04:14 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

My intuition tells me to leave it alone; but just in case........

When I earlier talked about long posts. I personally have no problem with them until they become an arguement with two individuals. Short or long, there comes a time to remember why e-mail was invented in the first place. Just wanted to clear that up. I know Crabgrass wasn't talking about me because I have never spoken for anyone else but myself. With the Band "offically gone as The Band" I really don't have much to say anymore unless people like Mr. Powell throw out a great music thread and I'm not ashamed to say I still drop in for the music. Hell if you want to talk about politics or exchanging receipes, I don't really care. I just look at the masthead of this site and say que sera sera. Which reminds me about a story regarding Doris Day......

Posted on Tue Apr 17 21:52:38 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

A string of happenstance led me a couple of days ago to Toronto singer/writer Brent Titcomb's new website (http://www.brenttitcomb.com), where I found the following snippet:

"...Wandered into an unlikely Davie Street [Vancouver] basement called the Elegant Parlor early this ayem and it was one of those times when a guy with a tape recorder could get set for life. Jose Feliciano, the unbelievable young guitarist from the Sequel was wailing with Little Daddy's Bachelors...then Brent Titcomb, the gangling harmonica cat from Three's a Crowd, whipped out his harp and started blowing behind Little Daddy."

This is relevant to recent discussions here because the Elegant Parlour was owned by Tommy Chong and his brother, and Tommy was the guitarist for Little Daddy and the Bachelors. He and bassist Wes Henderson (who wrote "In Bed" for Three Dog Night; TDN drummer being Chong's brother-in-law) moved over to the Vancouvers, as did Eddie Patterson and Robbie King from Franklyn Shepherd and the Good Shepherds. Shepherd had been in Jerry Warren and the Tremblers, so there's a Hawks connection too, for those that require it. FYI BEG, Shepherd was, much later, the second vocalist on the last album by Rhinoceros (renamed Blackstone by then) - with Michael Fonfara.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 21:42:22 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Thanks to Serge for all those wonderful articles! After reading that great one on Robbie in '76, I have a couple of questions:

What was Rick's one song on NLSC that got dropped at the last minute? Was it "Street Walker" or one of his solo songs?

Do you think the 60% completed "Works" project turned into the Last Waltz Suite?

Posted on Tue Apr 17 21:33:51 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

mattk

Favorite Bassists (no order - no strict jazzers):

Tony Levin
Marcus Miller
Donald "Duck" Dunn
Les Claypool
Kim Deal

Favorite Harp Players (no order):

Sonny Boy Williamson
Little Walter
Junior Wells
Toots Thielmans
Kim Wilson (honorable mention)

Paul Simon, Hearts and Bones -
I wholeheartedly agree this is a very under-rated album. It contains some of Simon's best work. It's also some of his densest sounding (thick orchestrations, dissonant harmonics, etc). One thing I'll say negatively about this album is "Cars Are Cars" is arguably the worst Paul Simon song ever, IMHO.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 21:00:42 CEST 2001 from pm455-30.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.40)

twilight

Let's see... I believe that George Harrison played guitar on Cheech & Chongs "Basketball Jones" - I haven't heard it since I was a kid - so I don't remember the part. I'm still waiting for C&C's "Ice Cream" truck to hit my neighborhood.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 20:50:48 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.183)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

ALLRIGHT !!!! I just saw the new set of dates for THE BARNBURNERS. Moondogs Fri. 5/25 (just down the road from my house.) Hope to see all the tri-state GB folks there. Hey Butch, the first round is on me.

I witnessed an amazing concert last night at Rosebud, The Honeydogs and The Old 97's. The Old 97's and The Barnburners would make a great team to tour together. For those of you not familiar with The Old 97's, pick up a copy of "Fight Songs". Peace & love to all......Dave

Posted on Tue Apr 17 19:44:25 CEST 2001 from (129.237.210.125)

RPence

The '77 Rolling Stone article on Rick Danko was one of the very first things I read that led me to the Band, and I'm happy to see it on the website. Rick delivered a quote that clears up some things, adds some perspective to controversies: "I really want Robbie to be my writer in the Band, because he's very special." Speaking of being very special, I will miss Joey Ramone. I think it's too easy, and inaccurate, to draw a boundary between his band's work and The Band's. Perhaps punk was a reaction to the kind of music the Band was doing before it ended in 1976 (same year as the first Ramones album). But I think if the Band had begun in 1976, they would've been punks. They distinguished themselves by offering an alternative to the dominant ego-tripping music scene of their time, as the punks did, but for different reasons and with different sounds.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 19:43:25 CEST 2001 from spider-wc054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.44)

bob wigo

I, for one, am happy to see McCartney get so many favorable mentions in the favorite bass players lists. In my humble opinion he often is overlooked due in part to the whole being enormous in relation to the sum of its parts. McCartney could thump when thumping was called for and then be incredibly melodic on the next tune. He is, without a doubt, one of the most purely musical beings on the planet.

As an aspiring drummer I find myself more and more attuned to the bass parts and their relationship to the drums. It is a fascinating dynamic with infinite possibilities to explore. For selfish reasons I would enjoy hearing about the GB's favorite drummers, song recommendations for playing along, etc., etc.

Any of you drummers out there that can make recommendations for good fundamental instructional materials, exercises to develop independence, etc. please email me directly. I will certainly appreciate any help. It's only been about three months and I'm having a great time with it. I'm committed to hanging in there at least until threatened at gun point by the neighbors!!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 19:17:43 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

John Cass

Best Harp players 1 Charlie Musslewhite 2 Paul Butterfeild 3 John Hammond 4 Allan Wilson 5. Sonny Boy Williamson

Posted on Tue Apr 17 19:05:13 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

John Cess - "The Late Great Johnny Ace", indeed. With the Kronos Quartet on strings, I believe. Not to start a new "underated record" thread or anything but if you only have that song on a collection, pick up Simon's "Hearts and Bones" disc on which it originally appeared. A highly underrated record, even by Simon himself who dissed it in interviews preceding Graceland, and would do no songs from it until very late in that tour. Originally it was recorded as a Simon and Garfunkel reunion record (or at least with Art doing harmonies), Simon stripped off all Art's tracks and redid them himself, stating the songs were "too personal" to have anyone else sing them. Still, I would rate it as his most satisfying record - really sticks in your head.

Charlie Young - Who IS John B. Sebastian's father?

How can anyone make a list of great harmonica players and leave out STEVIE WONDER? Glad to see Junior Wells finally made it, too.

Given my nom de GB, I'll chime in on the bass player list: Jaco Pastorius by a mile. Reinvented the bass as much as Hendrix did the guitar. If you don't know him from his work with Weather Report, you have heard him on many Joni Mitchell tracks. The other virtuoso bassist I would list is Percy Jones who played with the instrumental band Brand X (with Phil Collins at times).

But I prefer the "in the pocket" types, and in the past have always mentioned not only Rick Danko but Little Feat's Sam Gradney, of whom I have said "because he throws out more notes than he plays". Sadly last time I saw the Feat, he had lost this sense of proportion and was playing busy as hell. James Jamerson is the quintessential soul bassist, of course.

I would agree that Sir Paul did much raise the public consciousness regarding bassists, and played some mighty fine parts. It amazes me when I am identified as a "guitar player". Other honorable mentions: Ron Carter (stand-up), Phil Lesh, Dave Torbert (New Riders and Kingfish), anyone who ever "got on the one" with James Brown.

Danko, Gradney, Torbert, and Lesh probably have had the most influence on my own style.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 18:34:50 CEST 2001 from (205.232.51.218)

Dave Hopkins

Another Tommy Chong-Band connection: both he (with Cheech) and Robbie appear on Joni Mitchell's "Court and Spark" album.

As for politics: that's what I do for a living, so I must admit I pretty much scroll on by when it appears here in the GB. After all, I'm trying to get away from the real world when I'm here!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 18:13:47 CEST 2001 from chl179129.usc.edu (128.125.179.129)

Linda Q.

Just a note to let you know that the book on Bob Dylan that Laura P. mentioned is available on www.bibliofind.com. It is pricey, though, ranging from $30 - $350.00. They had several.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 18:09:01 CEST 2001 from 1cust133.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.133)

Crabgrass

I find the "scroll" button very handy for scrolling past the short posts of the one dimensional "chronic complainers" in the GB who seem to think they speak for everyone and rarely contribute anything worthwhile themselves. I find lengthy political posts, whatever their angle, far more interesting to read than ones on well-worn topics such as "Band influenced albums or groups," exciting reports of individuals who play the Band's albums "f*cking loud!" in their living rooms or cars, or endless rehashes of "The Feud" which shed no new light upon the subject.

BTW this post falls more closely into the first category and although I wouldn't characterize myself as a "chronic" complainer I'll most likely scroll past it when I see it in the GB and recommend that others do likewise. Personally, I'm hoping someone will pick up the Nicky Love thread again.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 17:08:06 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Dexy: Excellent work! From Don Johnson, you could also go via Eugene Smith, whose "Rock By Day, Roll By Night" was on the soundtrack of a Miami Vice episode.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 16:56:57 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.28.195.mmph.grid.net (63.49.28.195)

Dexy

OK, here's a Chong/Band connection: Chong worked with Cheech; Cheech works with Don Johnson; Don Johnson used to hang out with the Allmans, was even listed on one of the albums as such (yes he was); Allmans to Band (obvious).

Posted on Tue Apr 17 16:29:50 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Another Band-related gig to add to the list of things to do this Saturday night in Toronto: Jesse Winchester at Hugh's Room, a brand-new club on the west side of Dundas just south of Bloor (across from the Zellers parking lot). BEG and others into Michael Fonfara's playing could catch him doing the 4-8 Sunday blues matinee at Heads or Tails in Etobicoke, as part of Chuck Jackson's R&B All-Stars.

Richard Whelan-Stevens: I've never heard of a direct Chong/Hawks link, though it COULD have happened when the Vancouvers toured with the Motown revue in the late '60s. Both doing their own hit and acting as backers-up for the various vocalists. The other guitarist, Ed Patterson, told me that Hendrix once got up to play with them in Europe. (While living in Vancouver in the early sixties, Hendrix had played with Taylor and an earlier version of the Vancouvers.) Other indirect links would be that both Patterson and the Vancouver's great organist Robbie King had been part of the SW Ontario circuit with Hawkins and the Hawks in the early and mid-'60s. And repeat Chong collaborator, Gabriel Delorme - who did the wrangy guitar 'solo' on "Earache My Eye" - did plenty of LA studio work in the late '70s (before moving back to Vancouver, where he is now) and must have crossed paths with Garth Hudson if not Robbie Robertson. I have him on a really nice Eric Mercury LP that also uses David Foster, Jesse Ed Davis and Klaus Voormann.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 15:51:34 CEST 2001 from (212.153.193.19)

Ragtime

Well said Donabie... and I was wondering: are we really supposed to READ all that stuff?

BTW: I'm listening to the brown album right now, which is the very best Band connection I can think of...

The flying Dutchman's on the reef... :-)

Posted on Tue Apr 17 14:48:32 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Hank: Do you have any Band songs recorded that you can share with the GB community via this site? Is it possible? I know you throw in Band songs in your set - would love to hear King Harvest...,

Are we in a dead time, creatively speaking? I'm not so sure, it might seem that way based on societies fast food oriented thinking and taste.., But the internet! Is this technology not an art formonto itself (that has happened to take on a commercial value now) Is the leap in scientific breakthroughs like mapping Human DNA not an art form? About 10 years ago I toured the country videotapping medical symposiums and I came away with a firm belief that medicine and other sciences are truly art... for one, it's such an unknown entity, that many times we just stumble onto genius.

Is what we consider traditional ART dead? No, I don't think so.., it may be a bit on the dormant side.., but 30 years from now who's to say "oh remember the art that was produced at the turn of the century - now that was innovative!" On a recent trip to MOMA, my wife and I saw many odd, disgusting, and brilliant pieces of work. Maybe it's our lack of awareness that has stifled what we perceive as Alive in the Arts! Then maybe I'm just a wishful thinker!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 14:48:54 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

Who ever decided to invent the "scroll" button in a browser. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It is my opinion that some of these very long posts and disagreements should be taken to private e-mail. Believe it or not no one else really cares, no matter how prolific you may think you are. Pehr said it best in his last line of his last post.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 14:39:02 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

I don't have any Tommy Chong-Band anecdotes; but the group Chong was a part of was on the Motown label. Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers. They were a one hit wonder group with the song "Does Your Mama Know About Me" which Jr. Walker covered as well.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 14:18:15 CEST 2001 from cl3030709-b.mdsn1.wi.home.com (24.183.0.216)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Well,,,I'm honored to have Professor Louie & The Crowmatix to join us in our 2nd summer event on Labor Day Weekend,,,its going to be a blast!!! 'Lil and the gang,,,hope all of you(:you know who you are:) are doing fine! Hi Jan!!! You rock!!! Please see web site above.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 13:46:39 CEST 2001 from spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.57)

Sherry

Good morning Ben - I think you are still dreaming though, I have NEVER, ever, complained about non-Band posts. Especially when I just explained, in great detail, why I rarely make Band-related posts myself. Again, please actually READ my posts, rather than just attributing things to me because you don't like me. I like you. Further, I don't think you will ever find the word "morals" in any post I have done, or find where I have cast aspersions on the "morals" of anyone in this GB, although mine have certainly have been attacked steadily. That's okay though. Hope you have a nice Tuesday, Ben. Pehr thanks for the very thoughtful post, I appreciate it very much.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 08:39:14 CEST 2001 from h024.n-c6ac1f.sac.verio.net (198.172.31.24)

Richard Whelan-Stevens

I don't know if anyone has done a Band influenced albums by other artists thread lately, but I just picked up TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION by Elton John, which is most definitely Elton's attempt at doing a Band album, and doing it very well. "Amoreena", which many of you might have heard as the opening song to DOG DAY AFTERNOON, sounds like it could have been a classic Richard-Robbie collaboration, even down to the turn of the century lyrics. Anyone else like this album?

Here's a totally obscure Band connection...how about a Cheech and Chong band connection, or at least a Chong? I heard on A/E's True Hollywood Story that Tommy Chong was playing in a rock band playing a circuit of roots rock and r@b clubs in Canada in the early and mid-sixties. It seems like their paths would have crossed. Does anyone have any Chong-Band anecdotes?

Posted on Tue Apr 17 07:06:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wn014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.154)

Ben Pike

Sherry, it's interesting how conservatives now by reflex jump to the "liberal censership" argument. But I guess it's not surprising, it's a con game they have gotten away with pretty well up to now. I NEVER suggested you should not post your opinions on politics or anything else in the GB. I did note that you had complained about non music posts; and then a week later I checked in to see a lot of rancid filth conserning that creep Reagan posted by you. But I know the way of the conservative: "I make the rules for Thee, not for Me." Personaly, since THE GREAT BILL CLINTON was being blackmailed for his rather minor sexual misbehavior, extortion really being a much worse crime than said misbehavior, I am loath to comment on them publicly. See Sherry, unlike you and your friends in the right wing media, I acutally do weigh the ethics of a situation, it's part of real, not fake Republican, MORALITY. I certainly wouldn't, however, engage in the pointless exercise of waving any politican's personal life in the faces of the "less moral" other party. That is your game, and of course when your leaders shortcommings are pointed out to you, you have more excuses than a junkie going to jail. So let's just say you are the party of the really moral pro war draft dodgers on their really moral second (or more) marriges to much younger women. And so for music: let us remember that The Ramones were decent and honest enough to attack our debauched President (Bonzo goes to Bitburgh) when it had really fallen out of favor to do so, in both the world of mainstream and punk rock. May Joey sleep soundly knowing he did what he could.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 05:28:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wm084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.189)

Dave Z

Correct Bob and Richard... I don't listen to a lot of Hendrix much... but I am still amazed at that solo... and how it appears that he is just cruising throughout the whole song... Catching up with the sad song thread... I always enjoyed Gord's sad songs... like Now and Then and If You Could Read My Mind... but then again It Makes No Difference and Unfaithful Servant are extremely beautiful sad songs... Hey, I've probably got some of those Old Spice commercials on video tape with periodic interruptions where Larry Bird scores 40 points or so and something like 20 plus rebounds...

Posted on Tue Apr 17 05:19:35 CEST 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

ajr

Joey was a punk rocker. R.I.P.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 05:08:15 CEST 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

Pehr

favorite living Bass player- Calvin "Fuzz" Jones.

Favorite Bass players nobody here knows:

Rich Amsinger, Mark Foster, Russ Horneyer (Great bass players from St. Louis

More great St. Louis Bass: Tommy Bankhead on bass with Henry Townsend, forget the title of the record, recorded by Sam Charters in 1964, I believe... (gotta go find that record!) Favorite Harp players:

The Wolf

Sonny Boy (rice miller)

junior Wells

Hammie Nixon

Snooky Pryor

Lazy Lester

Little Walter

Big Walter

James Cotton

Jimmy Reed

Butter

Sherry I admire your spirit! I'm not much of a discographer but I love the Band, this site, and I enjoy the people here in this community a great deal. I didnt mean to get up in politics the other day, but sometimes I give em hell and then press the cancel button. Although I disagree on almost everything political with you, you are sincere and honest and for the country's sake I hope things go well.

My answer to your political question about less Govt. is why then do we hear less government, then about more attempts to legislate morality from the same folks. I think a Government should be there for its people when its people need them, not just big business. some of these folks that talk about morality and patriotism are very suspect, to be mild. You alluded to them in your last post. Poverty is not a moral issue, and it is scary to me how it is becoming one here. the povery in america after getting around the globe some, is appalling to me. there is such a bitter, petty arrogance going on here that is shameful. I wish this country was more spiritual and respectful and loving, you know? this "competition" emphasis is over rated and so middle ages, feudal. we should be co operators, innovators, a great country. Some of these people want people to be kept down, kept ignorant, that they may be easier to exploit.

I am suspect of proud conservatives because things have been so friggin unfair so long, who in their right mind would want to settle for this mess but the ones on top with the most to lose? I'm no Lib, I'm a Rad- we are in deep doo do here and man, the old paddle isnt gonna work forever. "Change is Good"

The ways to creating a fortune in this country are Hard work/imagination-Ideas(still hard work)/ Screwing someone or deplete their assets, resources, whatever they are... alot of #3 going on here. nothing much being introduced to stop that. I make art, teach art, play music for kicks and spend time with elderly folks. They are our greatest resource and most courageous legacy. thats how i try to help the neighborhood.

Anyway, back to some of these "compassionate consevatives", (i.e. Marvin Olasky and all them, excuse me, phonies that write these idealogues and speeches,)will talk about protecting the unborn, well, you get my drift. forget the people that are here, man, if they are poor its because they suck and aren't worthy of our attention- oh, we have a job for you, with no nothin! And you better have them kids while you are there at the bottom, or else, you moral failure! See through the sham, they go to jail, no 200 bucks. talented people too getting the crap because they lack "moral fiber", being judged by a bunch of people just as bad.But these people have jobs and a good heart... People like Daryl Strawberry are a real threat to society and must be punished to the letter. well I'm an optimistic pessimist I guess.

Yeah well people say, "Great Society" B.S. well, depite the war, the assasinations and all kinds of trouble things were happening here, in art, science, music, politics, you name it. a happening country. Now its dead. not much original nothin coming out. Look at the movies, music, arts, this country has no ethos, no, "we just dont do things that way..." it shouldnt have to be enforced by law!ethos comes from the arts man, intelligent, sensitive people, not a bunch of lawyers. This country is very hostile to the arts. people are ignorant of all it offers, its importance. I'm not conservative vs. Liberal, thats just a distraction. all this sh t!

Like you I dig music and politics so we can talk- probably thru e mail from now on though... I just wanted to answer you so someone did,

and welcome you to the guestbook!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 05:07:37 CEST 2001 from spider-tf044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.194)

Tommy

Hank from Cork; The Band better than politics???Is that even in DEBATE???!!!..........OF COURSE THE BAND IS BETTER THAN POLITICS!!!Music doesn't lie..at least not music by The Band.Amen, brother!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 04:58:40 CEST 2001 from dialup-282.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.26)

Hank

1! 2! 3! 4!

Wow! My eyes kinda hurt after reading ALL of Sherrys long-ass post....anyone else read the whole thing? I was'nt gonna do it...I was gonna scroll past it but it's like Peyton Place or Corrie Street! Pure Soap......

I must admit that, yes, I AM a male, a musician and tonight, before loggin' on here, I played a gig with my friend Jason and we sang "King Harvest" and "It Makes No Difference". We received some applause at the end of each song and never once mentioned ANYTHING about US politics. It did'nt matter......'cos we were playing songs by The Band....who are great!!!!!!

I think The Band are great........

Duh.......I think The Band are better than politics, even.......

Posted on Tue Apr 17 04:47:31 CEST 2001 from spider-th043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.63)

Bashful Bill

Charlie Young-Toots' last name is Theilmans, and he is truly one of the great old-timers. I saw him play in a high school auditorium in Syracuse back in the early 70's, ridin high on Bluzette. Last I heard he was making albums and touring in Latin America. I would predict that virtually everybody in this GB has heard him play at one time or another. He has played and whistled with anybody who was anybody in the jazz world in the 60's & 70's, has backed lots of popular rock stars from the same era, has played on many soundtracks, even played on TV commercials.Who remembers that Old Spice commercial where the returning sailor, on his way to see his lady,has a bottle of the stuff tossed to him?

Posted on Tue Apr 17 04:25:31 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

For those of you who have emailed me about Joey Ramone.......here are some more of his thoughts on Rock and Roll music.

"The Who are the perfect example of what Rock and Roll stands for and was always meant to be. Whether it be 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's the definition of rock and roll is: Daring. Exciting. Going out on a limb. Very visual catchy and melodic tunes. NOT 1/2 hour boring guitar solos or mindless songs about sex: She Left Me. Who the fuck cares!!! The kids of now are being deprived, cheated and brain washed bad. It's not their fault, most of them just don't know better........

In relation to the media: "They're spreading propaganda about how youth listening to this music have their minds poisoned and turn into habitual sex crazed hard core tri-sexual, mindless pill popping pot smoking drop out mass murderers, which we all know is bullshit, but it's always worked successfully to promote the clean-up-the-image campaign."........

Bill M: You will have to post the next time Michael Fonfara is performing in town.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 03:25:23 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.154)

Sherry

Bill W - that would be GENDER is irrelevant and immaterial (and redundant too, as well, also). Amanda, you are right of course, it's just so darn hard to do!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 03:19:25 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.154)

Sherry

Sorry Bill W. - wrong again. The POST I was referring to was a rather amiable one from Pehr, in fact I think he submitted a couple. I was not speaking of your E-MAIL, which I acknowledged this weekend in a POST in the GB, in which you stated "Care to chat, Madame"? Of course, before I even had a chance to consider the offer, I read your snorting proclamation that because I had not answered you within five seconds of your e-mail, you were calling my lying behind out, along with a few other complaints that every time you offer to go one on one with someone, they disappear. Gosh I wonder why, it's like arguing with lint. Excuse me if I went to the store or something and was not anxiously awaiting an e-mail from you. When are you going to France? Perhaps you can take a reading course there, the American school system has failed you. I hope you have a great trip, though, truly!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 02:19:07 CEST 2001 from spider-to064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.74)

Bayou Sam

Bassists = Paul, Jack Bruce, Entwhistle, Rick..... Stanley Jordan once said that McCartney gave the bass player a respectability when he came along. The bass player was no longer a failed guitarist. I always thought that Bill Wyman (maybe Bill W. IS Bill Wyman), was the most expendable Stone. No offense to the guy, but everytime I hear a great Stones bass line it turns out that Keith is playing it.

Three of the saddest songs I've ever heard are "Teen Angel", "Leader of the Pack", and a 30 second song by John Lennon called "My Mummy's Dead".

Amanda = thanks - you're right of course, but when I get attacked two or three times right here in the GB, then I need to fire back. Then I feel better.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 02:18:46 CEST 2001 from spider-tf044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.194)

Tommy

The Ramones is good time rock'n'roll.Hope you had fun, Joey.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 01:56:46 CEST 2001 from spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.161)

Sherry

BTW, for anyone who IS interested in politics, a good book I am reading now is "Sellout" by David Schippers, which chronicles the impeachment and the unfortunate, weasley, spaghetti-spined behavior of some Republicans in Congress who regretably lacked the guts that God gave a guppie.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 01:23:50 CEST 2001 from spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.161)

Sherry

Many thanks Amanda! Bill - sorry, no harm intended!

When I first discovered the GB, it was because I was keenly interested in music and the Band. Still am. Over the past couple years I have posted probably less than a half dozen times, all on the Band or music. Although I am probably more knowledgeable on music history than the average Joe on the street, it has always been readily apparent to me that I am not nearly as knowledgeable on the subject as most of the regular posters here in the GB. But, as I told one of the regulars who was kind enough to e-mail me, I know what I like. Due to the fact that I recognize my inferior knowledge on the subject of music compared to many others in here, I generally feel compelled to keep my mouth shut unless I have something substantial to say on the subject. And having something substantial to say on the subject of music is difficult to do in the face of so many here who obviously know so much more about it that I do. However, those who have controlled their rage long enough to actually read my posts in their entirety will note that I was the one who asked for favorite guitarists last weekend, which generated many interesting opinions during the past week, much appreciated. I have continued to read and learn from the GB over the past two years, although I have generally felt I had little to contribute on the subject other than my personal opinions. I really never felt I had any substantial facts to offer that you guys didn't already know, probably long before me. This GB appears to be made up in large part by males, who are either musicians or aspire to be; there are a few females, notably Lil and Brown-Eyed Girl, and a few others, but the vast majority seems to be male. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT! That's just another reason why I have been hesitant. The GB has taken a turn to politics several times since I have been reading. Even during the elections though and the following weeks, before it was all decided, I read the political commentary but offered none of my own. I have about four passions - children, music, law and politics. I am fairly well-read on the subject of politics and givernment, and when I noticed the latest turn to politics, primarily rants about the current administration, I decided to jump in. No, I didn't ask permission from Bill W., Ben or Twilight. Sorry, should I have? However, in fairness, anyone who has actually read my posts, word for word, would have to admit that aside from a couple of blunt statements about my regard for Bill and Hill, I kept my posts on the conciliatory side, esp. considering the nature of the some of the postings with the other point of view. I offered some straightforward reasons WHY I align with the conservative platform, and why I believe in some particular fiscal policies. Since last weekend, I have yet to see one liberal in here give one calm, reasoned statement of fact regarding their adherence to the Democratic platform, a statement of belief in a policy, or anything else remembling a mature, considered opinion. Although one, I have forgotten who right now, politely asked that I expound on my beliefs. Most have been shrill, shrieking, ranting, raving attacks on me, Bush, Reagan, any conservative who ever lived, and any conservative who dared speak on the subject in this GB. Way to go guys. And Republicans are called exclusionary and intolerant. I and others who might be like-minded have been called stupid, morons, idiots, Nazi's, and people who deserve to be killed. Some of you you guys are a brave lot. Esp. Bill W., who I notice declined to "call out" any of the other few who dared to offer a view that didn't jive with his. After all, they were men. Although he did manage to spew and rage and name-call them as well. Instead he "called" me out, I guess he thought I would be easier pickings. Not likely. The posters to whom this is directed know who you are. The ones who have not behaved that way know who they are also. Some have been jovial and good-natured about it. And some have constantly whined about how this GB is supposed to only talk about the Band and the torture of having to read the other stuff. And some have also indicated that they actually enjoy the viewpoints of others on different subject. As one regular put it, it shows that GB'ers are actually not all just one-dimensional. Anything wrong with that?

Now then, I WILL continue to read the GB and learn about music from it, and I will post when I wish to. Without asking Bill W.'s permission. By the way Bill W., sorry I was mixed up about where you were from, I somehow got the impression you were from Cleveland. But for crying out loud, please, at least try banging your head on PADDED walls for a change. Note to Ben: Let me assure you, I'm sure you do hate Reagan more than I hate Clinton, but that probably makes more of a statement about you and me than it does about Bill and Ronnie. Reagan divorces in the '40's, re-marries another consenting adult, not a child like Monica (of course since it WAS in the 40's, I doubt any of us know any facts about the situation except that he divorced and remarried). That was many years before his political career began. Clinton, while President, publicly humiliates his wife, his daughter, this country and the office of President, time after time after time after time, with women of ALL ages, even a 21 year-old starstuck child, wagging his fat crooked finger in the face of the American people while he lies to this country to our faces, telling us basically we can kiss his ass. Then bombs innocent people to divert attention. Yeah, there's your role model Buddy, kiss mine. (Meant in the nicest possible way of course). Ben, if you think Bill W. is doing a good job, I suggest aim your aspirations a little higher, as my six-year-old granddaughter can form an opinion and back it up with more reason and articulation that he has demonstrated. That being said, thanks to all of you for the musical insight and knowledge I have gained, and other interesting opinions on various topics, it is all much much appreciated! And to those who still have not figured out how to conquer the seemingly insurmountable problem of people who submit a post on a topic other than the Band, I will reduce the solution to its simplest possible form, read carefuly: skip it. Again, thank you all, most have made me feel welcome!

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:33:45 CEST 2001 from ool-18b9acac.dyn.optonline.net (24.185.172.172)

Elly

GOD BLESS you Joey Ramone for telling it like it is/was and for lasting as long as you did! You created something really great and I pray that there's a great Rock and Roll Heaven just for you! Elly

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:30:05 CEST 2001 from user-33qt9r5.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.167.101)

Pat Brennan

Apologies to anyone who has emailed me Band dates. I'm in the process of moving etc etc etc...Anyway, Laura's reference is in Edlis: http://www.taxhelp.com/pickering-approx.html

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:27:26 CEST 2001 from (207.34.146.23)

Cupid

Nice to see I'm not the only one in here thinking about Joey Ramone today...rest easy brother....Cupid.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:26:49 CEST 2001 from pm3-pt27.pcnet.net (206.105.29.101)

Laura P.

P.S. I do have a scanner, so if Jan is interested, I can share some of these photos... (I don't really have the server space myself).

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:23:34 CEST 2001 from pm452-34.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.140)

twilight

Bob R - The only place I've found that has Billy Preston's OOP "That's The Way God Planned It" is Ebay - just go to the site and type in his name. It was rereleased in 91(?) along with some other Apple stuff and I paid dearly for not buying it then. Get in touch if you need too. Ah, Ribczar, I can only dream of having a woman like that. She's a compassionate conservative. You know - talk like Carter, govern like Reagan. Back to the music! My three favorite band albums are #3 - Exile on Main St. - Stones, #2 - All Things Must Pass - Harrison, #1 - Blood On The Tracks - Dylan. Tied for forth are a couple of albums by the great Iowa based band called "Firewood Revival". If you meant "The Band" albums it would be pink, brown, and the horny live one - rock of ages. Peace to Sundog, wherever he be.

Posted on Tue Apr 17 00:15:19 CEST 2001 from pm3-pt27.pcnet.net (206.105.29.101)

Laura P.

Oh my God! I just got the most incredible book from the library. I had no idea how cool it was until I got home and started looking at the thing--actually, the only reason I checked it out is that I am working on the graphics for a Dylan CD-R and it looked like it had some good pictures. The thing is called "Bob Dylan Approximately: Midrash" and is subtitled "A Portrait of the Jewish Poet in Search of God." I figured it was about Dylan's religiousness (which, it is, in part, I guess) but actually it's about his 1974 tour with The Band and it's FULL of photos of The Band which I have NEVER seen before AND detailed descriptions of EVERY concert in the tour!! These descriptions by NO means ignore The Band... it's stuff like, "Dylan turns, changes harmonicas... a whispered conference with Robbie, Rick and Levon... Robbie smiles, begins a few notes... Dylan takes lead... the drums and organ blend together..." (random quote, there, from the page which fell open). The photos are amazing! Wow. And yes, of course, this book is out of print.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 23:58:02 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

The April 9th issue of PUBLISHERS WEEKLY magazine contains a review of a forthcoming book called "Positively 4th Street: The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Farina and Richard Farina." According to the reviewer, the book's author David Hajdu, "asserts that [Richard] Farina, not Dylan, invented folk rock and provided fodder for Dylan's trademark sensibilities." Personally, I'm only familiar with one book and a couple of songs by Farina. Does anyone agree with this book's point of view? I just hope the guy doesn't claim that Baez really wrote "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down."

Eight great harmonica players:

1.John B. Sebastian (tied with his father)

2.Bob Dylan

3.Paul Butterfield

4.Annie Raines

5.James Cotten

6.John Popper

7.John Mayall

8.Tie between that guy whose first name is "Toots" and the other guy whose last name is "Buffalo."

I was going to do an accordian player list, but besides Garth, Flaco Jiminez, the guy from Los Lobos, and Jimmy Sturr, the rest are mosly in the Weird Al/Bruce Hornsby also-ran category (Hornsby himself says he's a lousy accordian player, though he plays a nice "Masterpiece" and an excellent "Iko Iko").

Posted on Mon Apr 16 23:03:11 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill (no W.)

Peter: Sometimes CDs of questionable legality contain no credits because it slows down attempts to track who owes what to whom. I know of one Euro reissue series that almost always gets at least one name (writer or publisher) a bit wrong - presumably so that they can say, if caught, "Jeez, no wonder I couldn't find anyone to pay." Never heard of a musical Ling.

Crowbar, who Peter mentioned, is still together (minus Kelly Jay and Joey Chirowski) and will be playing at the Port Credit Legion on Saturday. On the same day, Scott Cushnie and Doug Riley will be doing a boogie-piano duo show at the Rex in downtown Toronto. (Riley's on both of Cushnie's CDs, and also on the 2B3 CD I keep pushing; he's the best around.)

Second-best around Toronto, I'd say, is Michael Fonfara, who is also on the 2B3 CD and who is, yes BEG, also ex-Lou Reed, ex-Rough Trade. He was booked to be part of the Danny Brooks CD release party at Timothy's in Etobicoke, also this coming Saturday, but had to duck out. Too bad, as he's on the CD, "Righteous", which is truly amazing. But the show should be good anyway, as there will still be eight or nine pieces on stage. I'm looking forward to it.

Rollie: Good of you to mention Amos Garrett. I'd rate a couple of his solos as among my faves: "Midnight At The Oasis", "Lazybones", "Small Town Talk" ...

Brian Sz and BEG: Yes indeed re Hunter/Wagner. Ditto Charlie re Zal; I heard "Creeque Alley" on the drive in today, so he was on my mind.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 22:19:48 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Victor Bockris on Joey Ramone: "....Joey was clearly something of a loner. A wildly creative, intelligent guy surrounded by a lot of less intelligent guys (not Dee Dee who he go along with best), he liked nothing more than to settle down in a comfortable bar or apartment around three am and spend the balance of the night solving the problems of the world."

Joey Ramone on rock music: "Rock and roll is dying 'cos the media is trying to kill it as it's always been trying since the days of Elvis and Gene Vincent (50's)......Remember Pat Boone and Doris Day - the soft decor public image that parents will approve of. Rock and Roll is for rebels and out-casts. ROCK MUSIC WAS NOT MEANT FOR YOUR PARENTS PLEASURE."

Posted on Mon Apr 16 22:13:41 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Sherry: Would you please NOT refer to Bill W. simply as Bill. I have a reputation to protect! Thanks.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 22:05:17 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-046.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.46)

Peter Viney

Dave: Wow. Absolutely right. I agree about how many I missed. Van had a great bass player about a year ago, but a really terrible one now.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 22:05:03 CEST 2001 from stcatherines-ppp109236.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.167)

Richard Patterson

DAVE Z: Steve Stills?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 22:03:26 CEST 2001 from spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.181)

bob wigo

Dave Z,

That Stephen Stills album has been an important component of my collection for a long, long time.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 21:56:08 CEST 2001 from (205.232.51.53)

Dave Hopkins

Here's my stab at Peter V's list of great bassists: (with thanks to the help from others already)

1. Carol Kaye
2. Brian Wilson
3. James Jamerson
4. Paul McCartney
5. Rick Danko
6. John Wetton
7. Jaco Pastorius
8. Jack Casady
9. Phil Lesh
10. Bakithi Khumalo
11. Tony Levin
12. John McVie

I would add as honorable mentions (I'm really thinking of the bass guitar here; standup deserves its own list): Duck Dunn, Tim Drummond, Rob Wasserman, Sara Lee, Mike Mills, Les Claypool, George Porter Jr. Also, the playing of John Klingberg on Van Morrison's "Moondance" album is about as good as it gets, though he seems to have disappeared as far as I know.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 21:55:06 CEST 2001 from spider-we083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.58)

Dave Z

Been listening to guitar gods all week... and ran across an old LP I have... It features two awesome guitar solos on separate tracks by Hendrix and Clapton... and then there's a nice bluesy acoustic guitar number about a card game... Can anybody guess who this guitarist is?... It was only his debut solo album?... and yes, he played at TLW...

Posted on Mon Apr 16 21:40:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tf052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.197)

Amanda

Sherry & Bayou Sam & anyone else who gives a crap: Just ignore the Winey Piglet...I'm tellin' ya...he goes through these spells. I really have no explanation. I can only imagine what he has in store for me after this post. I thought he was the one Jan got rid of. Was that someone else? I enjoy all the info from both of you and most of the others. There is one thing I don't get. Why doesn't he understand why no one wants to constantly battle him all the time? No one disappears from the Guestbook after he attacks them....they just ignore him.Anyway...I am doing exactly what he wants me to....GIVING HIM ATTENTION. Is anyone going to Atlanta to see Dylan? Have a beautiful day!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 21:32:12 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Sad? Richard Manuel's voice generally made me sad before he died. Now hearing it always makes me sad. "I Shall Be Released" would have to be the best (or worst if you look at it logically). Murray McLachlan's "Child's Song" (as sung by Tom Rush) was somebody else's inspired choice. To which I'd add "Old Man's Song" (same writer, same singer, same album). And Ralph McTell's "Streets of London".

Posted on Mon Apr 16 21:29:59 CEST 2001 from wcc6-239.wccnet.org (198.108.50.239)

Ribczar

Ok...Twilight, in a sick way I think you do have the hots for the lovely Sherry, but back to the thread...your top three band albums would be?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 20:46:30 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Read Steve Knowlton's post!!!! Hmm, folks talk about Levon drummin on "King Harvest"; yep OUTSTANDING, but "Shape", Watkins Glenn ---- now there was some cymbal workin by the BOSS!!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 20:40:45 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Here's a tie-in on the subjects of bass players and Joe Cocker -- That's Carol Kaye who played the distinctive bass licks on "Feelin' Alright". That bass part is so integral to the song itself. The same can be said about the "Mission Impossible" theme which is built around the bass part that Ms. Kaye played.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 20:34:05 CEST 2001 from spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.181)

bob wigo

For some great recordings of live shows and entertaining interviews check out The House of Blues site above.Go to Archives for a wonderful assortment of shows to choose from. Enjoy the music !!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 20:27:40 CEST 2001 from dhcp58148.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.148)

FREDDIE FUNK

DOCTOR PEPPER: Wait just one dern minute my friend; aren't you forgetting the great Mark Hoffman, the talented Bruce Tetley, Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes. Gosh there is so many great guitarists out there each with his or her unique style; I mean how do you measure? By the way, do you play??!! HA HA Ha

Posted on Mon Apr 16 20:06:46 CEST 2001 from host-172.subnet-79.med.umich.edu (141.214.79.172)

Steve Knowlton

Drumming is a lot like playing baseball. Lots of folks can hit the kick on 1&3 and the snare on 2&4, just like lots of folks can hit a fastball. But playing an independent kick/cymbal pattern is like hitting a curve: it separates the big leaguers from the little leaguers. As a little league drummer, this lesson was learned the hard way. :) From this perspective, Levon Helm may be the most talented drummer ever, judging from his ride cymbal work.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 19:56:09 CEST 2001 from icabrowser.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

John Cass

Sad songs: A Better Place to be, WOLD, The Mayor Of Candor Lied: Harry Chapin (actually most of Harry's songs are pretty sad) The great Johnny Ace: Paul Simon (from his box set) Joe Cocker's The Worrier (with Clapton on Guitar), Guilty, The whole album I Can Stand A Little Rain

Posted on Mon Apr 16 19:56:07 CEST 2001 from st-catherines-ppp126460.sympatico.ca (209.226.233.119)

Richard

Speaking of your ex-president, I'm gonna listen to "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" today... RIP Joey...

Posted on Mon Apr 16 19:55:10 CEST 2001 from proxy-1411.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.212)

Ed Blayzor

Bassmanlee i have to agree with you on Greg Allmans "Laid Back" album. A great but meloncholy record, i believe it was recorded shortly after the death of his brother Duane one of the best if not the greatest slide guitarist ever.Some of Duane`s finest work may i add is on Eric Claptons Layla album,i wonder who played rhythm guitar on that? only kidding.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 19:12:22 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Sad albums: John Prine's "Diamonds In The Rough" with Steve Goodman, Steve Burgh, and David Bromberg. Sample titles: "The Late John Garfield Blues" (which is in my solo rep), "Yes I Guess They Ought To Name A Drink After You".

Greg Allman's first solo album, "Laid Back".

Almost as sad as praising "Howdy-Doody Goes to Washington", oops I meant Ronald Reagan. There is a booklet of his more um, creative, utterances called "To Err Is Reagan". It's a hoot. The man didn't know what planet he was on.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 19:03:14 CEST 2001 from icabrowser.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

john cassarino

Great story about Joe Cocker Ilove that guy what a singer I wish he would get back to rockin and stop putting out the type of music in his new albums, speeking of a Cocker band mate at various times how about Jim Keltner as #2 drummer of all time behind Levon of course, and who could forget Jim Gordon what a sad thing I would consider him in the top 10 drummers too bad he is in jail. I wonder if he can play the drums in jail wasen't David Crosby allowed to be in a jail house band durring his incarseration???

Posted on Mon Apr 16 18:36:04 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

And Phil Lesh followed by a renumbered Toney Levin?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 18:32:40 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Peter: Of course - Jack Casady! (Duo, headband, tunafish.)

Posted on Mon Apr 16 18:27:38 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Any word if these Garth Hudson/Hal Willner/Harry Smith shows will be recorded for either an audio or video release? It has a wonderful roster. Is there any more word on Garth's solo project?

As entertaining as this Bill W/Sherry thing is.......I thought we were here to discuss the Band!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 18:21:55 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

the Joe Walsh story reminded me of one Joe Walsh told over the radio here a while back-

before he became famous Joe Walsh went to see Joe Cocker at Madison Square Garden. He got a tip as to when and where to be when Joe Cocker's Limo pulled up for the show. He went down there and waited and waited. Finally a Limo pulled up and the driver got out and walked around to the back to open the door and reveal a healthy Cocker ready to rock the garden behind the dark windows. Instead the famous rocker rolled out of the back seat onto the concrete all passed out and just lay there in the gutter and had to be carried in. I guess J.W was a little disillusioned, and went around the other way and waited to see what the show would bring. The show went on later and Cocker was on 100 percent and tore the place up said Walsh, and his faith in Rock was restored.

Joey Ramone, R.I.P. thanks for the music and memories

Rick's my favorite bass player, next favorite is Willie Dixon.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 17:37:19 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Peter Viney

Not right yet, though my list of bassists wasn’t supposed to be exclusive and Twilight has a few good ones I didn’t have. Others I missed that others mention: Duck Dunn and Robbie Shakespeare. Phil’s right on #12 (Rumour has it … was the clue). Twilight is closest, starts off brilliantly, has seven of the right players, but one’s in the wrong position, and Hi is right, Tony Levin’s not British as far as I know, so not #6. Repeat clue: #11 backed RR and Lou Reed and joined a band that #6 had been in (during an earlier incarnation of the band). #6 is also a lead singer and had a rough ride from snotty critics when major commercial success replaced earlier critical acclaim. And isn’t Jack Bruce, though there’s a similarity in style at some points. Surprised no one’s got the hot but fishy #8, nor #9 which I thought was reasonably easy as a lot of people here are into his band. #10 appears in various spellings on different album sleeves and I had to look up the spelling.

Bill M: any thoughts on this “Robertson-Ling” composition for King Biscuit Boy?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 17:28:46 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Favorite guitarist!!! Well, don't want to burn out G-bytes(only so many out there)over opinions!! One great player told me....there are soooo many good to great players that sometimes it depends on breaks!!! Robbie at TLW was the best before, during, and after Clapton's set!!! My favorites:Jim Weider, Rick Danko, Malcolm Gold, Pat O'Shay, Robbie, SRV, Clapton, D. Dunn, S. Kropper, Ernie Carollo, Nick Veltrie, Joe Walsh(movin up on the list after the recent post!!!!), Alvin Lee!!!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 17:06:26 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Peter: I'd say 3) Tom Tedesco, 6) Jack Bruce and 12) John McVie. I forget who suggested Nick Lowe, but what was he/she thinking? I'd delete a couple of those suggested thus far and add Denny Gerrard and Prakash John. And maybe Bruce Palmer too.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 16:17:57 CEST 2001 from spider-tk023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.183)

bob wigo

I'm pretty certain WebTv will throw in "Spell Check" for an additional $.50 per month.

Is it time again already for the Jerry Lewis Film Festival?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 15:53:02 CEST 2001 from spider-tk023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.183)

bob wigo

negociator ?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 15:28:51 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Favourite guitarist I forgot to previously mention is Carlos Santana.....especially when he plays "Europa", "Samba Pa Ti" and "Salvador".

Favourite Drummers: Mike Shrieve, Levon Helm, Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich.

Joey Ramone (a.k.a.) Jeffrey Hyman....Musician. Lead Singer, songwriter: The Ramones. Costar of "Rock and Roll Highschool".

Posted on Mon Apr 16 15:26:30 CEST 2001 from dialin-12.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.43)

Gene

Worst bass players: (1) Stu Sutcliff (2) Rachel Wiggins (The Shaggs). Best chainsaw: Stihl 029 FarmBoss.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 14:13:52 CEST 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Forget something on my last post---- I am trying very hard to find Billy Preston's 1st Apple release "Thats the Way God Planned It" on CD....but so far no luck...anyone know if it is available ? Thanks in advance !

Posted on Mon Apr 16 14:10:30 CEST 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Favorite bass players: 1) Paul Mccartney (easily the most melodic & innovative bass player of the last 50 years) 2) Brian Wilson 3)Bill Wyman 4) Rick Danko 5)Nick Lowe 6) Dave Pegg 7)Klaus Voorman 8)Bill Black 9) Duck Dunn 10)Robbie Shakespeare

Posted on Mon Apr 16 13:20:10 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-175-110.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.110)

Bearsville Bob

A sad farewell today to punk rocker Joey Ramone who died of cancer last night at 49... The only Band related thread is that his band played in Woodstock opening for Rick Danko at Andy Lee Field the summer of 97. RIP, Gabba Gabba, Hey!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 12:36:53 CEST 2001 from 1cust241.tnt2.pittsburgh.pa.da.uu.net (63.10.63.241)

Johnny Flippo

RIP Joey Ramone. Lymphatic cancer. What a bitch.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 07:49:09 CEST 2001 from spider-te011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.176)

Ben Pike

Bill W, keep up the good work. I don't check into The Band room to read a lot of garbage about Ronald Reagan, a true corperate stooge from which our country might not recover in our lifetime. Everything that was great about the Band is just what trash like that dithering bastard tried to destroy. Yeah, just what America needed to restore it's pride and morality, a guy who had dumped his wife and kids for a younger model, made his political bones attacking Martin Luther King and Chavez, and one day would tell false stories of how he liberated death camps in WW2. No wonder the country has been struggling ever since we let let right wing "moralists" set the agenda. Like all good Americans, I hate Reagan's guts with a passion I hope dwarfs what Betty, or whatever the hell her name is, holds for the GREAT Bill Clinton. Oh, sorry, got carried away. So, Here's my all time Sad album: Living Without You(Randy Newman), Hollis Brown (Bob Dylan), Youngstown(Bruce Springsteen), Dress Rehursal Rag(Lenard Cohen), Halloween Parade(Lou Reed), The End Of The Rainbow(Richard Thompson), Blvd Of Broken Dreams(Marianne Faithfull) Billy The Bum(John Prine), Child's Song(Tom Rush), Thanksgiving(Loudon Wainwright), I'm So Lonesome I could Cry(Hank Williams), Skeletons(Rickie Lee Jones) Ruby's Arms(Tom Waits), For A Dancer(Jackson Browne), The Fiddle and The Drum(Joni Mitchell).

Posted on Mon Apr 16 05:03:05 CEST 2001 from (209.32.133.73)

Pete Rivard

Crabgrass: Absolutely right on the selection of "Blue" as the world's saddest album, ever. Even the cover breaks your heart.

On the subject of onstage puking, I once heard a story related by Joe Walsh, of an incident of onstage humiliation that ranks with anything stated heretofore. During either an Eagles or James Gang tour he had been sampling the backstage buffet rather aggressively, and in his words, "made the mistake of brushing my teeth" before going onstage. Apparently, in midsong, the aftertaste of the toothpaste caused him to gag, then retch, then explosively, and lamentably simultaneously, puke and s--t himself. To complicate the situation he had turned his back to the audience to puke behind an amp, and wearing white Levis, and no underwear, the evidence of his accident was there for all to see. Supposedly, an alert stagehand ran out and wrapped a towel around his waist to cover the damage. And Joe finished up the tune before retiring for reattiring. What a trooper!

The saddest site I ever witnessed onstage was Dave Van Ronk showing up for a gig so drunk that he was only able to finish two songs before coming to a complete stop during the third, sniffling quietly for what seemed an eternity, apologising, then stumbling offstage. Now, Van Ronk is a fine acoustic guitarist in his own right, and a great song stylist.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 03:38:24 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Thanks Peter V for the update on teen pop princesess(sic?)

Back in my day I used to play bass (badly)and we had a drummer who could come up with real funky beats -too bad after a couple bars into the song it all became off beats that made no sense--But we had a guitarist who could rip it. If my buddy and I could manage to keep it together long enough we jammed well (actually he jammed- it was a coup if we didn't make a mistake) We played tunes by the Cars, J. Giels and AC/DC and our favorite was Can't Ya See by Marshall Tucker (that song we played well) We did though write some catchy originals. We had about 7-8 songs that were simple but you could snap your fingers and groove to most of them -understand, i was pretty worthless after you introduced a fifth note and being i was the principle writer, the songs were simple. One day we're listening to the radio and on comes Joe Walsh's, The Master. We freak, because it was a carbon copy of a song we had written. I'm tellin'you it was amazin! We wanted Lawyers-we had our tapes to prove it -we even thought he must have been in the neighborhood one day and heard us jam the song then lifted it off us - STUNNED we were I say!

Anyway, I just thought I'd share that with you- no reason for it aside that it just popped into my head.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 03:01:53 CEST 2001 from 209-239-196-159.oak.jps.net (209.239.196.159)

Phil

John Paul Jones #12? No way! John McVie, right Peter?

Posted on Mon Apr 16 02:29:08 CEST 2001 from 1cust240.tnt10.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.61.39.240)

hi

Peter, I was with Twilight on the first six or so bassists but is he right about Tony Levin? He's not a Brit. is he ? Or maybe I'm not paying attention....Jaco's right,I don't know if the Zep guy is correct either....Levin's been around the Woodstock area forever....

Posted on Mon Apr 16 02:02:14 CEST 2001 from 1cust175.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.175)

rollie

"You can walk on the water,drown in the sand,you can fly off a mountaintop,anybody can........!!!!!! Happy Easter folks!

Posted on Mon Apr 16 01:45:42 CEST 2001 from pm457-35.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.141)

twilight

OK Mr. Viney - here's my list. #1 Carol Kaye, #2 Brian Wilson, #3 James Jamerson, #4 Sir Paul McCartney, #5 Rick Danko, #6 Tony Levin, #7 Jaco, #8 Stanley Clark, #9 Nathan East, # 10 Abe Laboriel, # 11 Fernando Saunders, # 12 John Paul Jones.

Posted on Mon Apr 16 01:00:24 CEST 2001 from spider-tl073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.208)

Tommy

Hey, I just won a cool , very large Last Waltz sticker on eBay for TWO BUCKS!!!Its a gold and black number with the silohettette (I know I didnt spell that right..BAH!) drawing and the LAST WALTZ Logo.GREAT! I also won an original WINGS patch from the 70's.$5!Nice!

Peter Viney; I like your bass players' guessing game.I have some ideas about a few of the players' identities, but I wont guess cause I dont know them all.I'm wracking my brain though!!!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 23:05:21 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-053.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.53)

Peter Viney

Postscript: bass player with the biggest smile on his face - Levon Helm in his bass spot with the post-LW Band

Posted on Sun Apr 15 22:22:58 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-115.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.115)

Peter Viney

Brian – good to see you’re keeping up the interest in pop princesses too. Kim Wilde is British, daughter of the 50s teen sensation Marty Wilde and she had early 80s hits – her high placing was due to some song or songs being US #1 around 1981, but it wasn’t (a) memorable (b) known to me at all. Kylie Minogue is the diminuitive (but perfectly formed) Australian singing star who started as a soap star, then become a teen sensation about 10-12 years back with several big UK & Australian hits. Her career has revived with hits in the last two years, including the USA I believe, therefore she gets a longetivity award. I now recall Sheena Easton was quite highly placed and greeted viewers from Las Vegas. It seems being British and having an American hit is some kind of double points in the way they calculate it. BTW, I have it on good knowledge that those interviewed do not know their placing and in the hope of being #1 volunteer a day of their time.

12 great bass players (in no order): A riddle. One of the very best of all time plays on “Pet Sounds”. Though another of the best probably wrote the bass lines out before the session. A third plays on so much stuff, but listeners to the label often don’t know whether it is the third or the first because record keeping was weak. Number four is a knight. Number five played bass in a very similar style to number four. Melodic. And you know this one. Then the sixth is British, and could compare with any of those above for sheer range and technique, and has been in about six major bands. He was described as the “best young bass player in the world” by Fripp in the mid 70s. The next on my list was probably the only one on the list who could play in such complex time signatures as the sixth, jammed with our guys and was killed in Florida. Number eight (?) proved that a two piece could sound like a full band (in a headband) though his one appearance with our guys wasn’t so great. Number nine has been recorded on tape for more hours than anyone else on the list. #10 previously and currently backs Paul Simon. #11 has backed RR and Lou Reed and later joined a band that #6 had been in. Rumour has it that #12 proves the virtues of solid simplicity, even more than his countrymen Bill Wyman and John Entwhistle (who might be #13 and #14)

Second prize: ten minutes of viewing the Nicky Love website. First prize: five minutes of viewing the Nicky Love website,

Posted on Sun Apr 15 21:14:10 CEST 2001 from 1cust101.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.101)

hi

I've just started to enjoy the Sherry and Bill show especially since she seems to have gotten the upper hand........"I used to be disgusted but now I'm amused" ..

Posted on Sun Apr 15 20:49:22 CEST 2001 from spider-tl061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.201)

Tommy

This Bill W/Sherry stuff, I think, is actually pretty funny!

I know a drummer like you guys mentioned...he was the first drummer we ever played in a band with.He's been playing for 8-9 years now, and he's no where NEAR as good as someone playing that long should be.He recently bought a double-bass pedal...HE CANT EVEN PLAY A REGULAR BASS PEDAL!!! Actually, he's not THAT bad.But he likes the heavy metal , so everything he plays winds up being fast and/or too loud.No subtlety at all.He just doesn't understand SONGS, and the right thing to play in them.He always wants to play with me on MY songs, but I always come up with some excuse.I feel bad, but what can I do?I can do it myself and BETTER too!Ah well...

HAPPY EASTER to those who celebrate.Im not a religious guy, but I do like to EAT!!!!!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 20:20:30 CEST 2001 from dialup-348.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.92)

Hank

Um......Ah..........

I think Eric Clapton is a great guitarist..although I HAVE read that Jimi used to scold Eric for not playing more rythmn at jam sessions......

The whole Bill W/Sherry feud is sad to read in here.....but, I must admit, somewhat riveting, too....you should both realise that Bill and Hill and The Bushes and Ronald Reagan et al are modern day ROYALTY and that their elevation to visible power has NOTHING to do with Democracy........

The Last Waltz is one of the saddest albums ever made.......

Posted on Sun Apr 15 19:14:52 CEST 2001 from 3cust148.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.135.148)

Crabgrass

Doc Pomus was the brother of famous divorce attorney Raul Felder who currently hosts a radio show with Jackie Mason. Click the above "Web Page" to view the legendary late songwriter's site - I recommend reading the Biography and Selected Quotes first. Interesting stuff!!

I was unaware that The Feud now qualifies as a musical topic. Also, let's not forget that Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 17:23:24 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.38)

Bayou Sam

.....and now, back to the music

I've been reading the part in the Beatles Anthology book about the beginnings of the Let It Be sessions. George talks about how he just came back from a nice stay in Woodstock hanging out with Bob Dylan and The Band. Then he came back to a frustrating situation with the Beatles. It's just interesting to see that the Beatles we're starting to really crumble at that time - and the atmosphere around the Band was so good and positive , and productive - and now, Levon and RR are more at odds than any of the Beatles ever were with each other.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 17:14:20 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.38)

Bayou Sam

Cupid = I liked your story about drummers. I happen to be a drummer and I've met the type you're talking about. I remember years ago when we would audition a lead guitar player - most guys would come in and lay out this impressive set of foot-switch effects and play some nice leads. Then we'd ask to hear some "clean" Chuck Berry kind of stuff, and they were lost. They couldn't REALLY play without all the bells and whistles. It's the same with a drummer who runs out and buys a Neil Pert set up and they think that'll make them great.

Bill W. = do me a favor. Stop insulting me, and stop being a pain-in-the-ass in general. "I wish that for just one time, you could stand inside my shoes". What the hell do you want to go "one-on-one" about. Do you want to meet me after school and beat me up? Do you want to prove your smarter than me? That you know bigger words? That you spell better? What's your friggin' problem? (I'm getting angrier as I write). I have avoided communicating directly with you, but I can't help myself when I constantly read your pompous, condascending (if that last word is spelled wrong- tough shit) attitude toward people. Haven't ehough people given you the message? You're so blind to yourself it's incredible. You've hung in there longer than the other trouble-making pains in the asses. But your starting to piss-off and insult more and more folks. How can you accuse people of hiding behind thier keyboards? Should I get on a plane to Reno and tell you this to your face. Are you going to come to New York and call me a moron and some of the other vicious things you've said right to my face? I would appreciate you not calling me - or anyone - nasty names in the GB. It's uncalled for and unfair to people who come in here. By the way, it's OK to talk about a wide range of topics and other musicians in here. You've done it yourself. If that's such a problem for you - get lost. Of course it's not my place to tell you to get lost. It's a suggestion. Why don't you type "www.Imhotshitandbetterthaneveryoneelse.com" on your computer. I'll think you'll find a nice home.

Sorry fellow GBer's. I seem to be good for one of these rants every now and again. But when this clown directly insults me in here, "I can't help-a myself", as John Fogerty said. Thanks, and have a nice holiday if you celebrate one this weekend.

Hey Witt - how many bru-ha-ha's am I up to?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 16:59:47 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I must say I have never heard of Kim Wilde and only vaguely of Kylie Minogue.., Are they British sensations and or what years were they the flavor of the month?

Other great Bass players, Chris Squire!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 16:32:07 CEST 2001 from pm452-47.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.153)

twilight

Remembering when Ronald Reagan tapped into the angst of the common man by borrowing Bruce Springsteen's "Born In The USA" for his 84 campaign. As I remember it, the real Boss was none to pleased. Of course, like much of the great literature that has been borne in the USA, Ronnie couldn't be bothered to look past the pictures. Brien - I should have been more careful with my words - Your posts are balanced, and although I made a general statement, I do not think you are a moron or an idiot. I do not think that "everyone" was affected as you said by Ronald Reagan. Lets not forget the unions and our lower income wage earners. My biggest beef with Reagan - when it was obvious he was going to win in a landslide, he continued to campaign in Minnesota so he could win all 50 states. Not a real classy move for a guy who liked to be percieved as a humble, hard-working American, like New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 15:08:10 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-041.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.41)

Peter Viney

Saturday night on TV in Britain sees rock history following rock history as us baby boomers remember vaguely that Saturday night is somehow connected to rock and roll, albeit via the TV screen nowadays. The 60s “Walk on By” episode saw quite a lot of talk from John Sebastian who looked fit, well and spoke thoughtfully (as did Roger McGuinn.)

Anyway, turning from that I went to Channel 4’s “Top Ten …” series which started with “Top 10 Soul,” ‘Top 10 Prog”, “Top Ten Metal” etc but now has been running so long that we’ve had the Top Ten Novelty records, the Top Ten Child Stars and so on. Last night was the turn of “The Top Ten Pop Princesses” and I only wished my fellow Nicky Love and Britney Spears fans, Crabgrass and Illka, could have seen it with me. The saddest news was that Britney only made #5 (or was it #6). I know Crabgrass will be devastated. At least she beat Debbie Gibson and they got people like Mickie Most and other faded luminaries to state her genius. Kim Wilde was a surprise #2, and your regret at Britney’s failure to win can be soothed by knowing that Kylie Minogue took first place (by a good margin too). I think the TV programme came too early in Nicky’s career. She hasn’t reached her peak yet. In fact, looking in the record store, I don’t know if she’s even made a record yet. The only blemish was Kate Bush, who was about one above Britney. Although the producers tried hard to clip together only the silliest bits, there was an inherent musical quality there that quite jarred with the rest of the programme.

Glad to see a review of Carny. Jodie Foster has always been a class act and this is a good early example. You don’t have to be a genius to work out that she’s going to be the best actor in it. Interesting comments, Ben. RR as Patch is indeed either very good or not acting at all, and you’d have to be an acquaintance to know. The character is created by RR and he carefully creates a personal myth which may or may not be true. I genuinely think it’s an excellent film. Sure it’s low-key, but then so is (e.g.) Sliding Doors or Notting Hill, and none the worse for being so.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 12:50:50 CEST 2001 from spider-wo062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.47)

Ben Pike

CARNY (1980) Directed by Robert Kaylor. Starring Robbie Robertson, Jodie Foster, and Gary Busey. Based on a story by Robbie Robertson. Directed by Robert Kaylor. 1980 Ever wonder about the behind the glitter life of the Carnival "Bozo?" You know, the guy who eggs on the mugs on the midway, trying to induce suckers to to knock him off his purch and into the water by employing a stream of strange laughter and insults? You have found your film. As the years have gone by Robbie Robertson has tended to drop "Carny" from his resume. After "The Last Waltz" sent his hip quotent through the roof; Robbie spent years saying no to high profile films. "Carny" is really all he has to show for a decade in the nostral burned netherlands of development hell. The director followed this with a drag comedy nine years later starring Chad Lowe. We still await the compleation of his trilogy. Still, "Carney" has always had it's defenders. "Penthouse" gave it a great reveiw at the time; and guestbook guru Peter Vinney still waits for a CD release of the soundtrack(Robertson's music along with Alex North, whose old style movie score seems mismatched with the film's lowkey approach); after bombing, the movie was quickly pulled from ciculation but had the right timing for a wide video release. It's still easy to find copies. The little bit of story has the Bozo(a game Gary Busey) picking up a girlfriend( Jodie Foster, looking around for a charactor) which kinda sorta comes between him and Patch(Robertson) the head of the Carnival. So things are somewhat awkward until the film sputters towards it's thankfully early non-conclusion. In the spirit of the proceedings, Robertson is neither awful or very good; lost one moment and pleasingly non actorish the next. That is to say he is about as good as James Taylor in "Two Lane Blacktop", not as good as Art Garfunkel in "Catch-22", but much better than his formor boss in "Pat Garret And Billy The Kid." He might have learned from Richard Manuel's early work that there is more to acting then mumbling your lines conversationaly, as if you were, well, being interviewed for a documentary. Some good actors are wasted in nothing parts(Bert Remson, Meg Foster, well, everybody) but screen immortal Elisha Cook Jr. gives the best performance as an old weirdo. It was his last. All in all, this mileu was handled to much greater effect in "She Freak."

Posted on Sun Apr 15 09:17:12 CEST 2001 from spider-tq081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.81)

Sherry

Oh and one last thing Bill - the only one hollering about "a debate on any subject" is you - I offered a subject several posts back, but since your debating skills consist solely of spewing and sputtering, you are the one who has declined. You are from Cleveland, right? Isn't there a correctional facility there? Why not check yourself in Buddy and get some rest. Or, ?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 09:16:09 CEST 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

You have mentioned many fine guitarists. I am going to pick up some: - my favorite Guitarist at the moment:Vicente Amigo - my favorite speed Guitarist:Ollie Halsall - my favorite Blue one: Lonnie Johnson - my favorite old Guitar-dominating band:Thin Lizzy - my favorite young G-d band:Ac Acoustics - my favorite aloha Guitarist:Keola Beamer - my favorite Finnish Guitar hero:Jukka Tolonen - my favorite some good licks alongside songs G-p:Bruce Cockburn (thanks Brown Eyed Girl) - my favorite grey area Traveller:Fred Frith - ok. its better to stop..... In memory of JOHN FAHEY -- Kalervo

Posted on Sun Apr 15 09:09:09 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

Brien, Brien...this is nothing personal. I'm sure you are not a moron & I have no strong feelings about Reagan etc. But I just have to say...surely Progressive Conservative is an oxyMORON...:)

Lou Reed's Magic and Loss is a very sad album. A lot of it is about the death of Doc Pomus from cancer. Doc Pomus, as I'm sure we all recall, is mentioned in This Wheel's On Fire.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 08:52:55 CEST 2001 from spider-tq081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.81)

Sherry

Bill - I was totally unaware that my ex dumped me - check it out with him though,that perspective will make him feel better. My boyfriend is nodding in agreement with you though about the agony he has endured being subjected to my aura, and appreciates your condolences. Stick a fork in yourself Bill, you're done. And besides that, you're beginning to bore me.

The "Bad Musicians I Have Known" topic is cute and entertaining. Any more offerings?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 08:16:58 CEST 2001 from spider-tq081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.81)

Sherry

Hey Bill - a universal law of animal behavior states that those who feel threatened attack. For a guy who feels only passing contempt, you sure have been actively raving, even calling for the killing of those who disagree with you. Thanks, though, for proclaiming that there is hope for me yet, I'll file that under "Offers I Have Received From Real Scary Guys".

Posted on Sun Apr 15 08:08:34 CEST 2001 from 1cust200.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.200)

Crabgrass

Joni Mitchell's BLUE wins for saddest album.

Next topic!!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 07:59:52 CEST 2001 from proxy-1351.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.172)

Bill W.

Well gee gosh golly whiz sherry! Such a delicate little flower you are!! Firstly, let me ease your little mind about feelings. Anger is pointless with you and your kind; a universal law of humanistic behaviour states that one cannot reason with an unreasonable being; therefore, I make no such attempt with you. As for your tired and repetitive attempts to tag your detractors with the "angry" tag, I would suggest that, from my point of view vis-a-vis your tripe, I feel nothing more than a passing contempt for your twisted, bankrupt illusions of right and wrong. You can be saved, but not until you admit your failings and put your trust in knowledge and fact.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 07:31:03 CEST 2001 from spider-tq081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.81)

Sherry

Gosh Bill, I just read your cordial e-mail and was just about to take you up on it for a little friendly discourse when I pulled up the GB and read your hysterical rantings. When did I slander you? Seems to me it has been the other way around. I already picked a subject, read the post. Your response has been to jump up and down and shriek with rage. You are going to pop a vein or something and that can't be good.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 07:21:10 CEST 2001 from proxy-1361.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.180)

Bill W.

Gutless sherry refuses to communicate 1 on 1 ( Quel suprise!!! ) Just like their Nazi role models, these cowards run from the truth! Save America; kill a bully for God!!!!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 07:13:32 CEST 2001 from proxy-1361.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.180)

Bill W.

Why is it that every time I offer to go one-on-one in this best of GBs, the slanderous cowards who attack my person just happen to disappear?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:53:42 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Sad recordings: "Berlin" and "Magic And Loss" by Louuuuu Reed, "Bride Stripped Bare" by Bryan Ferry, "Darkness On The Edge Of Town" by Bruuuuce Springsteen and "Blood On The Tracks" by Bob Dylan.........most recordings are about long term relationships ending or about death or about the struggle to change one's life style or exorcise one's demons..........

"Sad Song"

Staring at my picture book
She looks like Mary Queen of Scots
She seemed very regal to me
Just goes to show you how wrong you can be
I'm gonna stop wasting my time
Somebody else would have broken........
Sad song

My castle, kids and home
I thought she was Mary, Queen of Scots
I tried so very hard
Shows just how wrong you can be

I'm gonna stop wasting my time
Somebody else would have broken..........

Lou Reed from "Berlin"(1973)

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:50:40 CEST 2001 from proxy-1361.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.180)

Bil w.

Pick a subject Sherry. I am calling your lying ass out!!! Feel free to ask moron sam for help; i would like nothing better than to eliminate two turds with one stone!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:37:45 CEST 2001 from (207.34.146.15)

Cupid

I have a bad drummer to go along with the lousy rhythm guitar players. Back about 5 bands we had a guy come in who's drum theory was :The more stuff you vice grip to your kit the better you are.He'd show up every rehearsal with another do dad that he couldn't play.If in the future they give out food on the basis of rhythmic ability I'm afraid this guy is gonna starve.Ballads became speed metal,rockers became dirges it got to the point where we decided that we should just break up instead of inflicting this guy on the paying public. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go watch my Canucks implode in Colorado. Peace Cupid

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:36:28 CEST 2001 from proxy-1391.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.204)

Bill W.

Nice post SZ...The Iran hostages were going to be released months earlier but...the chief American negociator asked for a post-American election release in return for supplying hostage takers with unlimited arms to fight their neighbors. That American negociator was none other than George Bush, CIA scumbag and AMERICAN TRAITOR. Iran-contra was his legacy at the time; now we got his coke snortin', pot smokin; alcoholic boy in charge. I know you republicans hate facts and all but...SO WHAT? Bring it on you gutless wankers!!!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:28:32 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.153)

Sherry

Nebraska is a great album, depressing but defiant. That's the appeal of Bruce's writing, identifying the everyman angst but highlighting the little rays of hope (Out In The Street).

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:19:01 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.153)

Sherry

Thank you Brien, for your clarity and insight. I was pretty amazed at Woodward's view of Reagan's involvement as well, but I feel sure it is on target, from other reading on the subject. As for the role of government, for the life of me, I just can't figure the virtue and benefit of permanently affixing oneself to the apronstrings of government as Nanny, and that was Reagan's great gift; the ability to communicate a sense of pride in country and self. Optimism. Gosh after eight years of Bill Clinton, everyone was miserable, Republicans and Democrats alike. I just can't grasp the evil attached to the concept of depending upon one's self and one's own resourcefulness and ingenuity, rather than looking to govt. to lead us by the hand and by the hand-out. And I guess there were an awful lot of us morons out there; almost everybody was buying Reagan's brand of patriotism in '84, as he won 49 out of 50 states overwhelmingly, everyone had already had four years of Reagan and wanted four more. The nation that governs least governs best. Someone please pick apart that concept with the reasoned thought that Brien offered. Without even name-calling. I'm a little tired of being called a moron myself, I'll gladly match IQ's with anyone who cares to. Note to the shrill screechers: being a conservative does not make anyone a moron or an idiot. In here, it makes you courageous.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 06:14:41 CEST 2001 from spider-tk082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.212)

Tommy

I just listened to Springsteen's 'Nebraska' album.It was maybe my fifth time hearing it (I got it in Feburary, for my birthday).It's auch a SAD album...NEW THREAD;Saddest albums.

Off hand, I say 'Nebraska' and the 'Layla' album.Underneath all the rockin', that one is pretty depressing.Also,Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' latest album, 'Echo', I think, is pretty sad underneath the rock'n'Roll.(I don't know exactly why.Maybe cause he wrote the album while he was going through a divorce with his long-time wife, the lyrics have meanings different than what they appear to be.)There are others I can't think of right now.I'll get back.What do you guys think?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 04:58:35 CEST 2001 from ool-18ba9d7c.dyn.optonline.net (24.186.157.124)

Bayou Sam

.......nice to see the Lovin' Spoonful mentioned. I picked up a nice CD compilation not long ago of them. I don't know if Blues in a Bottle is on it - I'll have to check....There was a great little show on one of the cable channels awhile back with the Spoonful's drummer (Joe Butler?) walking around Greenwich Villiage talking about the old days when LS played there.... I've wondered about Sebastian's voice. Has he got a permanent loss of singing ability? At the r&r HOF when LS was inducted, he had a tough time getting through Do You Believe in Magic. Great songwriter though.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 03:39:08 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I know this is unpopular (and being a criteria has been set - I guess I'm an idiot) but I am a RR fan, I mean Ronald Reagan fan. If not for any other reason than this:

In 1980 the US was a country still suffering badly from Watergate, Vietnam and of course the Iranian Hostage situation.

The country had no morale. We were begining to look weak and unfocused. We (US) could not do anything right. Leadership in government was first corrupt, Johnson/NIXON, then incompetent, Carter (nice guy, no leader). The aura of the time that i remember was downright dismal. RR did not like what he saw. He knew America and its people had a greatness in it like no other in the world. He wanted to awaken that quality that is in this country. His election and his efforts to do something/anything successfully brought pride back into this country. Yea he waved the flag a lot and made great speeches and was charasmatic (i know how trivial some of you guys think that quality is) -But Hell, that's exactly what a lot of folks needed - a pat on the back -knowing someone, for what it was worth, cared for the hard working individual who was having a tough time (interpret as you will) He made a lot of people proud to be Americans again

Now i know he cut programs, was slow on the AIDS take, he didn't benefit the poor a whole lot but it will never happen that everyone will get what they feel is important to them (especially through government) Things had to be sacrificed. I believe he made tough calls that made our country a better place. I have always felt his greatest contribution was giving this country its self esteem back. I don't expect this to change peoples minds about RR - just thought I let you know why I don't consider myself an idiot or a moron for liking Ronald Reagen.

By the way, no one gets that far in life without hard work, discipline, and some smarts. Maybe some of the RR haters have read his writings more than I, he was not as dim witted as some may think he was..,You may not agree with his beliefs but he was not stupid.

Also any questions as to Iran/Contra, Read Woodwards "Shadows", I was even surprised on his take..,\Sorry for dragging on a bit, this may i have been the longest post i have ever posted.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 03:38:46 CEST 2001 from user-2ive6r5.dialup.mindspring.com (165.247.27.101)

jay clancy

you guys rock. Ive heard an ugly rumor that Dave will be playing at "Town Hall" in new york city. any chance you could let me3 know so I can hook up with some good tickets, a.s.a.p. the place is a great place for a show but.... they have a crew of "seat nazi's" that work there and are very much against people haveing a good time. so I'd like to try and get some better seats than I did for the last show I saw there."Jorma and a few freinds" thanks alot and looking forward to hearing frome you,,,,, Jay

Posted on Sun Apr 15 03:33:44 CEST 2001 from dialin-62.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.93)

Gene

Appears "rednecks" is the only group left that the politically correct crowd can still trash with impunity

Posted on Sun Apr 15 03:06:17 CEST 2001 from 2cust67.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.140.195)

Crabgrass

That last one sounds pretty bad - yet, I happen to firmly believe that a former friend of mine - Chris - who lived in the same house with me a while back in London was the world's worst rhythm guitarist. He was a beginner to whom I was attempting to teach chording and the basic Dylan style strum but his wrist seemed to lock up completely when grasping the pick and it was impossible to get him to relax it. The sound he made (after taking five minutes to place his fingers, one by one, upon the strings to form a chord) is best described as the musical (and I hestitate to use that word) equivalent of scratching one's fingernails on a blackboard. On second thought, maybe Chris wasn't a rhythm guitarist at all - I'll leave it to the judges to decide. (BTW this is not a private debate, like the previous one - anyone can jump in.)

Randy Newman's song "Rednecks" if one listens to all the words is not merely a scathing attack upon white Southerners (or Republicans) but is somewhat broader in it's scope.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 02:55:40 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Richard: the song "Blues in the Bottle" appeared on the debut album by the Lovin' Spoonful, DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC?, originally issued in 1965. A check of the CD-NOW site doesn't show it as an in-print CD right now, but the song is available on a couple of budget compilations.

To answer your question about the Spoonful's John Sebastian: yes, he does do the occasional solo gig or with his jug band (which sometimes includes Geoff Muldaur on vocals). John himself has had some problems with his voice in recent years, but he is still a great entertainer and the best harmonica player alive. He also performed at Rick Danko's memorial service. Does anyone have a recording of that, by the way? John's official website is at www.johnbsebastian.com

Posted on Sun Apr 15 02:42:19 CEST 2001 from 209-130-142-224.nas3.mon.gblx.net (209.130.142.224)

Lars

hmmmm....favorite things....The Band was my favorite rock group...Butch Dener is my favorite Conservative Republican...Clapton is my favorite guitarist....I have great respect for RR, Danko, Richard, and Garth, but Levon is my favorite musician....The Gurus are my favorite band right now...A .270 is my favorite rifle....A 16 ounce hammer is my favorite all around hammer...I never have liked Oregon mauls for splitting wood, unless it's ash... I always thought 20 oz boxing gloves are too soft, but 8 oz. gloves are too hard, especially with a tight wrap.... my favorite baseball player was Al Luplow...my favorite rose is Europeana...my favorite ocean is the Pacific... my favorite guestbooker was Gopher, who got run out of here a long time ago for saying the wrong stuff...hmmm...I think I'll stop now.

Posted on Sun Apr 15 02:42:34 CEST 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

kristian

check out a great band www.medicinehat.co.uk

Posted on Sun Apr 15 02:31:07 CEST 2001 from spider-tk043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.193)

Tommy

(((BOOM BOOM BOOM...It keeps going and going and going...BOOM BOOM BOOM)))

Posted on Sun Apr 15 02:13:49 CEST 2001 from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.52)

Sherry

Admit it Twi - you're hot for me! Well, at least a little possessed! Your attentions are highly flattering though! "

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Posted on Sun Apr 15 01:58:23 CEST 2001 from st-catherines-ppp126447.sympatico.ca (209.226.233.106)

Richard

PETER V mentions the Lovin Spoonful... Has anybody heard their version of "Blues in the Bottle"? Know what LP it comes from? My 'Best of' double LP doesn't include it (and it's song for song one of the strongest compilations of any 60's band IMO).

John Sebastion rocks... is he still playing gigs?

Posted on Sun Apr 15 01:41:36 CEST 2001 from proxy-1371.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.188)

Bill W.

Ahhhhhh good old Bob Wigo. This from the pseudo-humorist who misspells his own name at times! Instead of hurling your moronic comments whilst hiding behind your keyboard, you might try using it for intelligent use. ( See dictionary for definition of "intelligent" ).

Posted on Sun Apr 15 01:32:23 CEST 2001 from spider-wd041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.166)

Bayou Sam

The middle paragraph of Peter Viney's last post - right on!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 01:06:42 CEST 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

Just kidding about the Prison thing....had a beer or two with Rick right outside once. Best guitarists not yet named in the guestbook? Lets see here's what pops into my head: Jorma, David Lindley (best club show I have ever seen was at the Chance in Poughkeepsie a long time ago), Jimmy Vaughn, Little Jimmy Weider, Colin Aberdeen, Jesse Ed Davis, Matt "Guitar" Murphy, Roy Bookbinder, Keith Richards ("You cant walk into a music store and buy a rhythym guitar") lots more I can't think of Bass players: Jack Casady (great eyebrow action, Jaco Pastorious, Duck Dunn for starters

Posted on Sun Apr 15 00:43:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust11.tnt10.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.61.39.11)

HI

Can't wait for the next exciting response..go get her boys

Posted on Sun Apr 15 00:28:32 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb082.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.57)

Sherry

Boy Twi, you sure have it in for me. Don't think I can top your post, I'm certainly no match for you in the hate department. As for the Levon reference, I was unaware that I had taken anything from you personally, but on second thought, I think maybe I have. And I think you are the one who is missing the point. By the way, my spirit was never broken, you took my "surrender" post way too seriously. Sure hope things get better for you. Another great guitar player - Charlie Sexton. Thank you to everyone who responded to my inquiry about favorite guitar players - I sure learn a lot about music in here. And people too!

Posted on Sun Apr 15 00:17:41 CEST 2001 from spider-tl083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.213)

bob wigo

Dear Mr. Clapton,

Please send Mr.WhinePig his refund so that we can move to another topic. Thank you.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 23:53:53 CEST 2001 from proxy-1381.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.196)

Bill W.

My conservative choice for the Republican Party theme song is : " Rednecks " by Mr. Randy Newman.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 23:06:57 CEST 2001 from c-4fe671d5.02-3035-6d6c6d101.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (213.113.230.79)

Markku (Quos)

It looks like my favorite guitar 5 players are now mentioned: Roy Buchanan, Robbie, Van Halen, Lonnie Mack and Clapton. And I just have to include Stevie Ray and Brian Setzer as well.

Favorite solos, did anyone mention Clapton on Have You Heard from -66? And someone mentioned Beck's Cause We Ended As Lovers, I agree it is simply amazing.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 22:32:14 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-083.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.83)

Peter Viney

BBC2’s history of music, “Walk On By” today reached the mid to late 60s, Brian Wilson, Dylan (a clip of “With God On Our side” that I’ve never seen), The Byrds & the Lovin’ Spoonful. I kept watching hoping for The Band. No joy, but next Saturday, they announced, is the 1970s, “Take It Easy” featuring The Band, the Eagles and Crosby, Stills & Nash.

Without entering the fray, I’ll make two general observations. Sure abuse & private battles are best kept for private e-mail. BUT when someone posts in an open forum, then they have to expect replies from anyone posting there. Those who join in are not “interrupting”. Imagine a conversation at a round table, and that we all sit back and listen to what one person says. Then anyone might respond. That’s how it works because only one post registers at a time. In that situation a debate can’t actually be private.

I’m considering three deeply conservative songs. Hmphh. this will take some time. How about “Money”, “Maggie’s Farm” and “He’s Got the Whole World In His Hands” for starters?

Posted on Sat Apr 14 21:53:26 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

Crabby: Worst rhythm guitarist in the world is my pal Art who lives in Dallas. Bar none! no Barre chords, takes a set break to hold a B7 for the turnaround. Cant play, won't listen, wont stop. His most unique ability as a musician is to interrupt and kill songs dead like bugs before they get into the 2nd verse. I dont know if he's coming to your town but you'll hear him when he does. He's a sportswriter and commentator. imagine Howard cosell blues band...well ...you get the picture!

Worst Bass player is my pal Steve, a builder. Talk about not listening! this guy is married to his cell phone and has a remote for everything on his table! I've never seen him listen to a whole song through, let alone an album, much lest a compilation! He is the Anti-Viney! He FF's through suspense scenes! He says he's buying a bass today... eeesh!

Posted on Sat Apr 14 21:35:10 CEST 2001 from pm703-11.dialip.mich.net (204.39.231.117)

twilight

After a few days off, looks like Kathy Lee Gifford is back with her wonderful blend of happiness, perkiness, and anger-management. I guess all it took was a couple of "you go girl/be yourself" emails to revive her spirit after it was broken here in these pages. First she was worried about Hank's anger, now it's Bill W. For a person who "loathes every breath that Bill and Hillary Clinton take", how do you find time to "choose to be happy"? If you could actually do both, it seems like it would be an awful lot of back & forth.It's amazing that someone could miss the point for so long. Anyone who would write "the great Ronald Reagan" might as well limit their posts to,"I'm a moron, and here's proof." Oh the anger and..... is it "vitriol"? Trying to keep this short so that the people who know and understand what should and should not be posted on these pages don't have to read too much of what they don't want to read. Bayou Sam - I enjoy your messages of hope. Back to the band - Wondering what goes through a conservative republican's mind when they hear the great Levon Helm sing "you take what you need and you leave the rest." Top ten list anyone? Maybe a top three would sufice. Is that enough gleaming for you Ribczar? Love and bitterness to all....

Posted on Sat Apr 14 21:01:30 CEST 2001 from spider-tk062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.202)

Tommy

I didn't include any soul/r'n'b guitarists and bassists because I think they're in a class by themselves.Not saying they're better than Rock'n'Roll players, just so different..and so GREAT!

How about Ian Anderson's acoustic guitar playing in Jethro Tull? Just FANTASTIC!!!Give it a listen..there's so much going on.He makes his rythms sound like leads!Good stuff, baby.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 20:00:38 CEST 2001 from spider-ti084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.214)

Bayou Sam

"Who on Earth do you think you are? A superstar?, Well alright you are - but we all shine on......" - (more) John Lennon

Posted on Sat Apr 14 19:54:49 CEST 2001 from spider-ti084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.214)

Bayou Sam

according to Webster's College Dictionary, flotsam = "useless or unimportant items; odds and ends". Odds and Ends - there's your Band connection.

I know that before the Live Peace in Toronto concert in '69, Lennon puked backstage from nervousness. Clapton was there. Maybe he thought it was the cool thing to do and adapted it into his own shows.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 19:04:35 CEST 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

Pehr

Thanks Bill Munson for the updates and links with current info on Mel Brown, who is, along with Hubert Sumlin, among my favorite blues players...

Enjoyed Mastt K's breaking the guitar list into genres (electric blues) beyond them (listed above) anyone who ever played with Sonny Boy- Luther Tucker, Houston Stackhouse, Robert jr. Lockwood, for starters, a young JRR for finish, boy I'd like to have heard that stuff!

My favorite Jazz guitar, pound for pound (Today the 14th) is Charlie Christian.

Favorite Rock n roll guitarist still Evan Johns.

I dont do country music much, or anything that in some way, shape or form doesnt rock- I may grow up- I like some of that tibetan chanting but I dont know any guitar players!

Oh Sh t! Paco De Lucia is coming to town this week. He "Rocks"! Favorite Solo project by Band member- I love them all, But "Rick Danko" is a particular favorite of mine. It grows on me all the time. Great songs, great musicians, Most under rated rock record

Happy Easter y'all. Best to D'Lil too.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 18:34:28 CEST 2001 from 1cust27.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.27)

Crabgrass

Dammit!! Now we're never gonna find out who the world's worst rhythm guitarist is or what caused Eric to puke his guts out onstage.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 17:51:56 CEST 2001 from spider-wd061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.176)

Sherry

Bill you're a pretty angry guy, just skip over the posts of us flotsam.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 17:44:12 CEST 2001 from spider-wd061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.176)

Sherry

Wow, regards to Bill W., the new Secretary of Intelligence!

Posted on Sat Apr 14 17:13:14 CEST 2001 from 1cust34.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.34)

Ms. Manners

I would suggest that e-mail is the proper choice for two consenting adults having a conversation and that an open forum like a guestbook is obviously not and ALSO VERY RUDE.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 16:50:57 CEST 2001 from proxy-1381.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.196)

Bill W.

Many thanks to Ed Blayzor for contacting me PRIVATELY so that we may continue our friendly debate. Its so much more enjoyable this way because the talking flotsam in here can't interrupt! I appreciate the information passed on to me. Too much B.S. in here, if ya get my drift. :-) (-:

Posted on Sat Apr 14 13:12:41 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-133.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.133)

Peter Viney

A friend has picked up a double CD compilation with two songs on it by 'King Biscuit Boy with The Ronnie Hawkins Band'. They are NEIGHBOUR NEIGHBOUR and DONE EVERYTHING I CAN and the second is credited to Robertson – Ling.

They're both presumably the cuts from the "Mouth of Steel" LP which I have. Interestingly, it has no composer or music publishing credits anywhere on it. The album was cut for the British Red Lightning label in 1984, after a lapse of 10 years. Richard Newell (aka King Biscuit Boy) was with the Ronnie Hawkins Band from 68 to 70, then split with the members to record "Official Music." As far as I know, he left, they became Crowbar and had a #1 Canadian hit. The 1984 line-up includes other Ronnie Hawkins graduates, and might have been Hawkins band at the time. It credits two bass players for the whole. Stan Szelest plays piano & keyboards throughout. No one called "Robertson" or "Ling" are in the group. So who is this “Robertson” (and why does the LP contain zero credits? Any ideas, Bill Munson?

Posted on Sat Apr 14 12:10:06 CEST 2001 from du244-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.244)

Ilkka

Favorite Nicky Love/Robbie Robertson duettos: 'Hazel', 'Tough Mama', 'Had A Dream About You Baby', 'Ugliest Girl In The World' (All by Bob Dylan.)

Posted on Sat Apr 14 09:50:23 CEST 2001 from spider-tj032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.187)

Bayou Sam

I always liked the little lick that Eric is playing during RR's solo on "Further on Up The Road" at TLW. Remember, EC was in the middle of a solo when the strap let go - when RR took over and Eric got the strap hooked up, he couldn't very well turn off his distortion effect - lower his volume - and play a nice rhythm. He had The Band laying down a fantastic rhythm section, plus he was singing the song, plus he was to play more leads. He did the right thing by playing a sort of "bass line" type pattern behind RR's solo......When EC comes to play live, or record, he has a backup/rhythm guitar player. He's there to play lead. It's a good bet that he either played or came up with lots of great rhythms like the playing on "After Midnite".

Great Guitar Intros = Day Tripper, Satisfaction,...Wild Thing.

Donna = don't go crazy arguing with someone that thinks they're more knowledgeable than everyone. It's like "trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind" - John Lennon

Posted on Sat Apr 14 09:45:53 CEST 2001 from stcatherines-ppp109174.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.105)

Richard

Best rhythm guitar: Whoever the dude is who plays rhythm on James Brown "It's Too Funky in Here".

Posted on Sat Apr 14 06:32:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust182.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.182)

Crabgrass

I thought most of you would be interested to know that an article in today's NY Daily News Express reports: President Bush says he decided to seek the White House after he heard God's call. "I think everything he does comes back to his commitment to the Lord," said the Rev. Ed Young, an evangelical Christian pastor who has prayed with Bush. A devout Methodist who reads the Bible and prays daily, Bush turns to his religion not only to inform his decisions but to give him the fundamental strength to do his job, according to those who know him well.

In a completely unrelated story printed directly above a tragic report from Philadelphia which begins: "Seven people were killed this morning in a trash-filled row house filled with elderly and disabled residents." I'm sure they all went to Heaven, passing Go on the way and collecting $200 to boot. Happy Easter!!

And now, back to the exciting "favorite guitarists" music thread (when we get down to "kazooists" mine's Jesse "Lone Cat" Fuller). I'll just add that B.B. King has admitted many times that he can't play "rhythm" - but it don't mean a thing if you can play lead like the King!

Posted on Sat Apr 14 05:56:12 CEST 2001 from proxy-1341.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.164)

Bill W.

To Donna: Were you never taught that it is very bad manners to interrupt a conversation between 2 consenting adults?...No??? I didn't think so. Personally, I wouldn't have minded too much if you had had ANYTHING to say. A peace for you too.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 04:44:15 CEST 2001 from spider-wk072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.182)

Tommy again...

Oooooohh..I forgot MALCOLM YOUNG, from AC/DC...FANTASTIC! I talked to him once at a signing about playing rythm guitar.He was a real cool, cordial guy.That's Boogie Guitar playing!!!

Posted on Sat Apr 14 04:42:14 CEST 2001 from spider-wk072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.182)

Tommy

My favorite bass players.Ummm....Paul McCartney, Rick Danko, Sting (with the Police),John Deacon (Queen), Ronnie Lane, Colin Greenwood (Radiohead)..there are more.Im leaving out all the R'n'B/soul bass players cause there are too many good ones to name (and some I dont even KNOW their names!!!)

Now, since there is this Clapton/rythm guitar debate, how about favorite rythm guitarists...

Mine: Tom Petty, John Lennon, George Harrison (probably the BEST rythm guitarist!), Johnny Cash, Neil Young,....and KEEF!!!!

Posted on Sat Apr 14 03:59:36 CEST 2001 from spider-wm064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.179)

Dave Z

Rollie: I'll just add to yours... Body Guard Jessie Ventura... Record Producer Richard Nixon... and Promoter/Bus Driver Paul Wellstone...

Posted on Sat Apr 14 03:36:55 CEST 2001 from 1cust143.tnt9.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.10.13.143)

Hi

Fave guitarists: Big Al Anderson of Nrbq who managed to play Lead and Rhythm at the same time and live always new and uniquely. Hendrix, of course, Garcia on a good night, maybe Robertson, Pat Metheny pre-synth.......Clapton sounds great to me ......

Posted on Sat Apr 14 03:35:17 CEST 2001 from 1cust165.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.165)

rollie

Favorite politicians- Lead guitar-JFK Bass-Dwight Eisenhower Drums-Ralph Nader piano-Jerry Brown road manager-Jesse Jackson

Posted on Sat Apr 14 03:21:10 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

EC may not be much of a rhythm but at least he can do it. The great B.B. King plays rhythm even less. None-the-less it does not take away the greatness they have achieved. Still- I'm sure half the guitar players out their had half of the talent/opportunity BB and EC were blessed with.

Happy Good Friday -

Posted on Sat Apr 14 01:39:26 CEST 2001 from spider-tf043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.193)

Donna

Bill W: I value your opinions, as well as all the other GB'ers here. Recently however, there has been many personal attacks, on many people who choose to post their opinions, or their experience's. I respect many people who post on this site, including Ed Blayzor, as well as yours. However, I am asking you and anyone else who this may apply to, that can we as mature adults, Agree to Disagree? Let's make this a pleasant, informative place to visit.

Diamond Lil: I hope your journey back here is soon. You are sorely missed by all of us.

~Wishing everyone a Very Happy and Healthy Weekend~

Posted on Sat Apr 14 01:18:58 CEST 2001 from (208.129.10.42)

rjr

Acadianruby,

Pleasse contact Ron when you see this message.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 01:08:57 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-00-32.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.47)

Dave the Phone Guy

It's a slow day at work. I've found the complete tour schedules for the 1965 Bob Dylan and The Hawks American tour(38 shows August 28 through December 19) and the 1974 Bob Dylan and The Band tour American/Canadien tour (40 shows January 3 through February 14). Information is from various Dylan links on the www. The '74 info looks accurate. I'll keep diggin'. Any help finding non-Dylan The Band tour schedules will be helpful. Homework has got to be done.

Favorite bassists I'll start with Rick Danko first, Phil Lesh second in the Rock category.

Posted on Sat Apr 14 00:51:29 CEST 2001 from spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.56)

Bashful Bill

A nice little thing happened on this beautiful CNY Spring Friday the 13th:the local classic rock station played the live version of Sweet Jane that several of you have mentioned here. I've always loved that version, I enjoyed it a little more than usual today.Looouuu of course has a strong CNY connection, having attended(and graduated I think) SU way back when. I'm only aware of his appearing around here once since "hitting it big", around 74 or 75, a show I had the pleasure of being in the right place at the right time and got in for free. One of my main men has also rightfully been mentioned several times in the last day or so-Mick Taylor. His years with the Stones are hands-down, IMHO, the best years for them. I have caught him locally twice-once around 86, and once just last summer at a Blues Festival, back to back with fellow veteran Leon Russell. You know, I'm kind of glad that political thread played itself out, back to the music!

Posted on Fri Apr 13 23:43:33 CEST 2001 from proxy-1361.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.180)

Bill W. ( World's worst rhythm typist )

To Ed Blayzor: I have seen Clapton live twice and I repeat; he can't play rhythm at all! Strumming a few chords once and a while does not make one a a rhythm guitarist. Maybe I am being too harsh; the second time I went to see him he stumbled out on stage and barely began the show before he started puking his guts out. The show was cancelled and no refund was offered. If you need proof then watch and listen to Robbie during the Last Waltz segments featuring Ronnie Hawkins and your man Eric. THAT is rhythm guitar playing! Watch Clapton while Robbie plays lead; THAT is sophomoric doodling at best.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 23:31:28 CEST 2001 from proxy-1361.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.180)

Bill W.

To Ed Blayzor: I have seen Clapton live twice and I repeat; he can't play rhythm at all! Strumming a few chords once and a while does not make one a a rhythm guitarist. Maybe I am being too harsh; the second time I went to see him he stumbled out on stage and barely began the show before he started puking his guts out. The show was cancelled and no refund was offered

Posted on Fri Apr 13 23:02:14 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Favourite Bass Players: Fernando Saunders and Jack Bruce

Favourite Reggae guitar player who plays with a rock edge: Julian (Junior) Marvin

Favourite Guitar Pickers: Bruce Cockburn and Glen Campbell

Favourite Singers: Bob Marley, Van Morrison, Richard Manuel and Marvin Gaye

Favourite Wrappers: Tupac, Lou Reed and Bob Dylan

Posted on Fri Apr 13 21:46:55 CEST 2001 from port14.phl.netdoor.com (208.148.216.78)

Deb

So the country guitarists won't be left out --

Doc Watson, Norman Blake, Marty Stuart, Junior Brown, Ricky Scaggs (both his Hot Band and bluegrass periods)

Posted on Fri Apr 13 20:49:03 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-28.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.91)

Dave the Phone Guy

Everyone has mentioned some very fine guitar players. Was Lowell George brought up? He was great at rhythm, lead, slide, and songwriting. (especially slide) How 'bout Robben Ford? He is a contemporary that plays good blues as well as jazz. I think of him as "sneaky good" because he plays clean lines that are perfect for the tune without slapping you in the face. Check out Robben's "Supranatural" CD. How 'bout Jerry Garcia? The very first time I saw the Grateful Dead I thought he was the greatest lead player on earth at the time. So inventive and talk about exploratory. His partner Bob Weir is another really good rhythm player with his own unique approach. These two guys could sure stay out of each others way for that two guitars style. One more, let's see____hmmmmm_____. How 'bout Terry Haggerty son of big band era guitarist father and Cuban born singer mother. Oh man! Terry Haggerty will blow your mind. Carlos Santana was quoted saying "If it wasn't for Terry Haggerty I'd just be another blues guitarist. I wish Bill Champlin would quit that band Chicago and reform The Sons of Champlin full time featuring Terry Haggerty.

I think Pat Brennan's idea for a Complete listing of all The Band concerts is great. I've always wanted to see that added to Jan's page. Maybe even include The Hawks shows also. Info could include date, city, state, country, and venue. Also other bands on the bill would be interesting. So pull out those old ticket stubs and let's put our heads together.

Favorite bass players anyone?

Delbert McClinton tomorrow night at Sparks, Nevada for me. Oh boy!

Music is good for you. Listen to it, play it, and go see it live.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 20:35:04 CEST 2001 from ptldme-unallocated-66-30-209-134.maine.rr.com (66.30.209.134)

mattk

Guitarists, hmmm, are we strictly rock and roll? Here's my picks (in no particular order)

Favorite Guitarists All Genres:

Robbie Robertson
Steve Cropper
Grant Green
T-Bone Walker
Frank Zappa

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Favorite Rock and Roll (or just Rock) Guitarists:

Robbie Robertson
Frank Zappa
Bob Mould (hi Jan)
Chuck Berry
Adrian Belew

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Favorite Blues Guitarists

T-Bone Walker
Johnny Guitar Watson (not his disco incarnation)
Ronnie Earl
Guitar Slim
Freddie King

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Favorite Rhythm and Blues Guitarists (a dicey category to define, no doubt)
Steve Cropper
Curtis Mayfield
Robert Cray
James Nolen
Earl King

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Favorite Jazz Guitarists

Grant Green
Mike Stern
Wes Montgomery
Kenny Burrell
John Scofield

I can't do country. I'm not that big a fan, to be frank. At least not enough of a fan to pick out anything other than the obvious.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 20:13:23 CEST 2001 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cassarino

I like hearing peoples favorites how about best vocals mine are 1. Early Joe Cocker, 2 Richard Manuel, 3 David Crosby, 4. Richie Havens, and 5 Rick Danko

Posted on Fri Apr 13 19:57:28 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.44)

Lauren

Happy GOOD Friday To All.... Best to Theo, Ari, Pla, and all beautiful Native Americans! Best, Lauren

Posted on Fri Apr 13 19:41:44 CEST 2001 from dialup-110.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.110)

Hank

Mick Taylor.

Kicks Ass.

Every time you hear him.

Is there any evidence of Mick Taylor jamming with The Band, say, in the '80ies when they all woulda been playing The Lone Star and The Bottom Line in NYC?.....if so, any taped evidence?

Posted on Fri Apr 13 19:11:29 CEST 2001 from 2cust28.tnt1.albany2.ny.da.uu.net (63.21.17.28)

richard

Ilike John Cass's suggestion --- an album of Richard Manuel's unreleased materials. Richard seems to get the least ink of the five, and in my opinion, undeservedly so! he was unquestionably the best voice solo and harmony.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 19:10:09 CEST 2001 from ti09a63-0347.dialup.online.no (130.67.55.91)

Groan Alone

Leo Nocentelli, Curtis Mayfield, Mike Campbell....easy does it!

Posted on Fri Apr 13 18:49:00 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Great Guitarists Hitin' The Note

As a longtime, aspiring guitarist myself, I often like to have a little fun in my music listening sessions by comparing how different talented guitarists interpret the same song. Here's a recent example -- As a reference point I started with Blind Willie McTell's original version of "Statesboro Blues". I then moved on to Taj Mahal's version with the Rising Suns, featuring a young Ry Cooder on bottleneck slide. Next up was a later version that Taj recorded with Jesse Edwin Davis on slide. I finished with the Allman Brothers Band version from Live At The Filmore East with the late great Duane "Skydog" on (Coricidin)bottleneck. Some fun listening.

How about this one? Start with Muddy Waters' original version of "Mannish Boy". Then move on to the live version that the Rolling Stones recorded a while back at the Macombo Club. Then try, of course, the version that Muddy recorded with The Band at The Last Waltz. This gives me a chance to not only compare guitar technique, but to hear two of my favorite drummers, Levon and Charlie Watts.

On a different note, pardon the pun -- Try comparing two different version of the same song, by the same guitarist. I've always enjoyed the solos that Robbie Robertson played on Dylan's "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" from the 1966 tour. I often listen to the Liverpool version back-to-back with the one from Manchester, to compare the subtle differences.

One of my all time favorite displays of guitar prowess is the series of solos that Richard Thompson played on the title cut of the album "Shoot Out The Lights". That, to my ears, is some of the most spine-chilling electric guitar that I've ever heard. Not to long ago, I ran across a solo live recording where Mr. Thompson does the song on acoustic guitar. This version is also amazing, proving that he is truly a master of the instrument, equally adept on both the electric and acoustic.

Speaking of Duane Allman -- I've always enjoyed the bottleneck solos he played with Ronnie Hawkins on "Down In The Alley", recorded around 1969 or so over in Muscle Shoals, Alabama.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 17:34:47 CEST 2001 from 1cust13.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.13)

rollie

Favorite guitarists?-John Mooney, Duke Robillaird?,Amos Garret,John Hall,Ronnie Earl,Dickey Betts,Roy Rogers, and howabout the Supreme Court and those last elections eh? Go Levon!And what about George Bush and the Global warming band?

Posted on Fri Apr 13 17:22:54 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-157.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.157)

Peter Viney

Carmen has revived something I asked a few months back. The Soggy Bottom Boys are of course the fictional stars of “O Brother Where Art Thou” and I thought The Band (uniquely) could probably have done the whole soundtrack- with “Saved” (the revivalists come into town singing on their wagon), “Jawbone” (around the robbery), “The River Hymn” (the baptism)“Rag Mama Rag” (in about ten places), “Daniel & The Sacred Harp” (meeting at the crossroads), ‘Ferdinand the Imposter’ (John Goodman’s bit) and “Ain’t No More Cane” (for the chain gang) all being obvious candidates which could have been utilised for specific scenes. Plus Rick’s ‘Chain Gang’ I guess!

Posted on Fri Apr 13 16:36:03 CEST 2001 from ool-18bf1858.dyn.optonline.net (24.191.24.88)

bob

could anyone tell me if joyous lake is still open? i was there last summer and heard it was closing.i'm going to be in the woodstock area this week and would love to catch levon there on wednesday.does anyone know if he still does his wednesday gig there?thanks, happy holidays

Posted on Fri Apr 13 15:15:15 CEST 2001 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

I think one of the greatest guitar players is John Hammond each time I have seen him live I can't beleive how he plays that blues and along with that Harmonica, man that guy is amazing!!!! His acoustic playing on his Live album is great espesially on Dust My Broom. For electric I will go with SRV, Hendrix, Duane Allman, Clapton, Lonnie Mack

Posted on Fri Apr 13 14:32:07 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

I saw a video the other day of "The Suggy Bottom Boys" doing a song called I AM A MAN OD CONSTANT SORROW. Fun video to watch, however, I can't help but wonder what the full BAND would have done with this one with Levon on lead.

Best Solo release is a tie between Rick Danko and Storyville.

Best Regards!

Posted on Fri Apr 13 13:00:19 CEST 2001 from du198-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.198)

Ilkka

Thread(?) NICKY LOVE /ROBBIE ROBERTSON - For the first I'd like to nominate CRABGRASS for 'The Link Of The Year Competition'. I find poor Nicky very interesting
1.) PHOTOS A parallel to the Landy pics of The Band is obvious. Both are building a myth. In opposite to The Band Nicky is photogenetic. She has many different faces. And in opposite to the Landy pic these photos are not just snapshots which any amateur can make fun of. They could do fine printed on a thin grey paper placed in front of a window, 5 meters X 5 meters at least.
2.) THE MUSIC I work from time to time as a half-time teacher and I can assure that there are dozens of students in art or media classes who sing better and look better than poor Nicky. They are more _subjects_ than _just objects_. But if the music industry has chosen her and she'll get all the back-up - so why not? I am (unfortunately) familiar with this kind of music. The lyrics are awful. Instead of saying that "I feel miserable" you should say like in the old blues about a train leaving: "The red light was my baby and the blue light was my mind".
3.) TIME - this means simply Telecom-Internet-Media-Entertaintment. To tell the truth I have not enjoyed too much of Robbie Robertson for the latest 25 years. OK, he is CERTAINLY good etc. etc. but... Now I feel that he is going to the right direction. I believe that the artists of the future can combine T+I+M+E. NICKY LOVE can combine this as good as anyone else, if not better.
4.) See you in Nicky's gb, maybe ;-)

Posted on Fri Apr 13 12:19:29 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Some songs I particularly like due to the guitar playing: Robbie Robertson playing guitar while Aaron Neville sings "Crazy Love", Robert Cray's "Pardon", Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze", Eric Clapton's "Little Wing" and Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner playing with Lou Reed the "Intro/Sweet Jane"!

Posted on Fri Apr 13 10:55:25 CEST 2001 from proxy.iad2.netsetter.com (64.210.248.135)

Billy Blanton

I first met The Band in 1970 or 1971 while doing a gig in Lake Charles, Louisiana. The Band was in town appearing at a Fair. They, (without Robbie R.), came to the club where I was working. They "sat in" and did 2 songs. One was "Up On Cripple Greek". I had never heard of them, but became a fan right there, and about went into shock when I learned WHO they were! Recently, I had the pleasure of seeing Levon again, (30 years later), and meeting his daughter Amy. I treasure the time I got to spend with one of the truly "GREATS".

Posted on Fri Apr 13 09:51:35 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-023.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.23)

Peter Viney

All best of awards reflect the day you vote, not permanence. Best guitarists as of 13 April: Robbie Robertson, Ry Cooder, Link Wray, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Weider plus special equal award for (mainly) rhythm guitarists – Lou Reed, Bob Marley, John Lennon, Keith Richard, Taj Mahal. And I’ve ignored all the blues guys as that would make the list go on for ever. Favourite guitar solos / pieces: Robbie on King Harvest. Favourite guitar intro: Robbie on ‘The Weight’. Jim Weider always played this superbly in concert BUT when you listen to Seville 1992, the instant it starts you know it’s Robbie not Jim. Good call on Lou Reed’s live Sweet Jane – that was twin guitarists. Least favourite guitarist: Alvin Lee or anyone with the same philosophy.

On Clapton, he has transcendent moments and is always recognisable, but part of the problem with being so distinctive is being samey, and at times Clapton can bore for the blues like few others. Bore has two meanings. I mean both. He’s written some wonderful songs, but also played some pretty boring stuff in between.

On famous guitar solos, Taj Mahal is interviewed in the latest Mojo on a favourite record , which is Elmore James’ “It Hurts Me Too” partly because of the guitar solo. Seems Taj ran into Homesick James (different guy), who revealed the secret of the record, that he was shadowing the solo note for note on second guitar. As Taj says “Now these guys can always be blowing smoke up your skirt …” but says that careful listening reveals there are indeed two guitars not one.

Which goes back to another shadowing story / urban legend from years and years ago, that on the 1965 / 1966 acoustic sets, Robbie was shadowing Dylan from behind the curtain on the difficult bits. Any comments on that one?

Posted on Fri Apr 13 08:33:58 CEST 2001 from proxy-1381.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.196)

Ed Blayzor

Bill W: Clapton can`t play rhythym? buddy if ya ever seen him live you`ll see he is as great a rythym guitarist as he is a lead! and if ya need more proof listen to how he and Andy Fairweather-Low play great complimentary rhythyms together on his unplugged cd. other than clapton some other fav guitarists are Dickey Betts,SRV,Steve Howe,Jeff Beck & Neal Schon.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 07:34:22 CEST 2001 from 2cust92.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.137.92)

Crabgrass

Glad to see there is a ground swell of support for Robbie's singing sensation discovery and future rock goddess Nicky Love here in the old GB. I think a Band site link to Nicky's site will be in order very soon!! Hope you check her out if you haven't yet done so - click to her site on above "Web Page."

BTW I personally don't see any resemblance to Radiohead in her music as someone else noted - but there definitely is one to Garbage.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 07:29:06 CEST 2001 from spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.186)

Bayou Sam

Clapton would be the first to tell you that he got everything he knows from the old blues records. Then again, rock and roll itself sprang from the blues.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 07:18:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.186)

Bayou Sam

Brent = was I YELLING? gosh, I'm sorry. I won't get into the feud again now. I'll wait until it swings by again.

Wow - fav guitarists. Number one for me is Clapton. There are other players who are faster, fancier, more technical, but nobody brings it up right from the gut like Slowhand. some other favs of mine would be, George Harrison, John Lennon (listen to ALL his playing in Get Back before you laugh), Keef, Jerry Reed, Jimi, Glen Campbell, Robert Johnson, Roy Clark, Stevie Ray, Jeff Beck.................. Fav solos is tough. Clapton on "Have You Ever Loved A Woman" (Layla album), George on LetIt Be(album version), "Nowhere Man", "Can't Buy Me Love". Clapton on "Crossroads", Hendrix on "Red House"(great solo), Jerry Reed on "East Bound and Down", and Clapton at TLW on "Further On Up The Road". I also love the way Robbie holds his own with EC, and rises to the occasion when Eric's guitart slips off the strap. - I could go on forever.......Somebody mentioned Commander Cody before. I have a great live CD by Bill Kirschin(spelling?), who was a guitarist with Commander Cody, and played on Hot Rod Lincoln. Well, he does a version of that song on this live CD with a guitar solo that has to be heard to be believed. He shouts out different artists/bands and plays a little bit of that persons style. He goes through everyone from Marty Robbins to Jimi Hendrix and everyone in between.The solo goes for a couple of minutes alone. I wish I could play it for you all now.

I was listening to some of the John Lennon Anthology the other day, and there is a very amusing demo of a song John threw together called "Serve Yourself", which is an answer to Dylan's "Serve Somebody". It's pure John.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 06:54:44 CEST 2001 from proxy-1341.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.164)

Bill W.

To Charlie Young: Clapton never played an original note in his life so no argument from me about Robbie's superiority there, but Robbie at his best was no match for Hendrix at his worst. Let's get real here folks; Robbie was and still is a fabulous songwriter and competent guitarist but Hendrix could play guitar right handed better than Robbie. Period. As for Clapton and B.B. King, neither can play rhythm to save their lives nor can they play a single note when singing.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 05:10:15 CEST 2001 from 1cust100.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.100)

rollie

The people have spoken..........

Posted on Fri Apr 13 05:09:08 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Amen Brother Hank!

Guitar leads: I always thought the opening lead to the Live version of Sweet Jane was kicking. The lead in King Harvest is classic -alltime fav. Jeff Beck- Cause We've Ended as Lovers. SRV off the box set it's a Hendrix cover but that is in the car and it's not Vodoo Child. Roy Buchanon -Down By The River -WOW! There are so many..,

Posted on Fri Apr 13 05:01:09 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg074.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.184)

Dave Z

Other than listening to my brother doodle blues on his acoustic guitar... I like Robbie, Lanois, Van, N.Young and Jimmy Page... but there's really far too many great players to be stuck to a list of just five...

Posted on Fri Apr 13 04:56:11 CEST 2001 from dialup-283.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.27)

HANK

My Favourite Band Album is....The Basement Tapes.........The Thing about The Band ....from "Who do you love" right thru to "Jubilation".... is..... a certain magic.. a voodoo...a style of playing and a way making the music sound......it's THERE on almost EVERYTHING they've recorded.....a knowledge of where to put sounds in the songs......It doesnt matter WHO wrote the song when them boys decided to sang and play it.....know what I mean? Of course, they lost some of their erotic charm as they grew older and more frazzled...but so did you and I....All I'm saying is that, for me, it's ALWAYS a pleasure to hear 'em .........

So there!!!!......

Posted on Fri Apr 13 04:06:27 CEST 2001 from spider-ta034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.59)

Tommy

My favorite 5 guitarists...Hmmmm...George Harrison, Ronnie Wood (on the Faces records),Mike Campbell (from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers),Brian May and Robbie Robertson('67-'76 respectively).I think that might be my list offhand (very, very offhand...there are guitarists I like for different styles and things they do.But as far as in respect to SONGWRITING , these guys come to mind.)

My 5 favorite solos...Ummmm...Harrison's 'Let It be' solo (album version),McCartney's 'My Love' solo (just GREAT!),...there are so many good ones, I cant make a list.Sorry.I'll think of more and get back ta ya...

Posted on Fri Apr 13 03:50:46 CEST 2001 from 1cust38.tnt1.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.107.38)

hi

My favorite Band records were the first two. I wouldn't replace any of them and if I was to add anything to them, it would have been the early live versions of Don'tcha tell Henry,Brazos,Don't do it and Loving you and little birdies.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 03:29:27 CEST 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Could someone tell me just what Robbie Robertson's connection to this Nicky Love person is? Also: is she related to Mike Love? Courtney Love? Arthur Lee and Love?

Obviously five guitarists: Hendrix, Clapton, Danny Gatton, Clarence White and the one and only Zalman Yanovsky.

My favorite guitar solos are too numerous to mention, but Robbie's tasteful, minimalist, brilliant solo on "King Harvest" is as good as anything the first five guys I mentioned ever did (though Zally's solo on the Lovin' Spoonful's "Night Owl Blues" comes pretty damn close). But not even the best compositions written by Hendrix and Clapton belong in the same league as Robbie's classic songs from 1968-1975.

Posted on Fri Apr 13 02:51:33 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I always wished the post LW recordings had more Levon, Rick, Garth stuff. Jubilation, arguably their finest effort of the three, had the most material written and co-written by the boys. High on the Hog is really another Moon Dog. And Jericho has 4-5 songs and I believe that's if you count Jim Weider as a (for lack of a better word) real Band member. This is one of the reasons why i can't give RR flack about the writing credits (scandal)..,

Posted on Fri Apr 13 00:48:52 CEST 2001 from ts11b67.esper.com (216.111.20.67)

Danny

Just wanted to say that this band was probably the first band that impacted me back in 1968 at age 16. That is not to say that the music of the fifties and early sixties in all of its glory didn't make a difference because it did. To this day there may not be another group I would rather listen to. I only wish I could have seen them live back in the day. I would like to know, if anyone would say, what Rick died of. If anyone knows I would appreciate it if I could know. Thanks, Danny

Posted on Thu Apr 12 23:35:43 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Norbert: Thank you!! I will have to let my student know that he moved you.......By the way.....he is one of the best singers in the class! Yes......I reached him through music.....especially reggae. For our spring concert my class is looking forward to singing Naomi Judd's "Love Can Build A Bridge".

Bill: Were you referring to Michael Fonfara who has played with Louuuuuu and Toronto's Rough Trade?

Favourite Band solo recording.....Robbie Robertson's "Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy".....music for your body, mind and heart....there are only about two songs on this recording that don't resonate with me! I especially play over and over again: "The Code Of Handsome Lake", "Making A Noise", "Unbound", "Sacrifice","In The Blood" and "Take Your Partner By The Hand".......

Posted on Thu Apr 12 23:22:07 CEST 2001 from ts1-22.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.22)

Cupid

Five fave guitarist: Keith Richards,Jimi Hendrix,Ry Cooder,Jeff beck and Eric Clapton/Duane Allman [tied for 5th],,sorry R.R. didn't make the cut but he was close.

Fave Solo's Machine Gun[Hendrix], We will rock you [Brian May], When you hold me tight [Micheal Ward, yes the same Micheal Ward from the Wallflower only this is a John Hiatt song. The song also contains the lick of the century but we'll save that for another thread],Layla [Clapton/Allman], Funk 49 [Joe Walsh].

Worst solo: Fight for your right to party, The Beastie boys[The guy from Slayer was brought in special to play on the track.If this was the best take let us pray they never release an "alternate take" awful,awful,awful!] Peace Cupid

Posted on Thu Apr 12 23:01:53 CEST 2001 from 1cust178.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.16.48.178)

rollie

Ok! Something more Band related......How many people here feel the US Supreme Court stole our last election?Long live Levon!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 22:42:05 CEST 2001 from user-33qt96d.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.205)

Pat Brennan

Crabby replaces Tears of Rage with Amazon? Hank finds Jubilation and Big Pink similiar listening experiences? I think we're gonna need a trans-Atlantic intervention.

Recall that I'm not knocking the post-LW recorded output, as skimpy as it is. I like Remedy, Caves of Jericho, Shine A Light, and a couple off Jubilation. But the pained expressions and tortured prose of the various replies prove my point: the very best of the post-LW recordings just barely--if they do at all--merit inclusion on the first three albums.

I do think covering two songs on the first album--one of which they helped create--and none on the second two albums is much different than the wholesale covering on the last three albums. In fact, not counting Moondog (for obvious reasons), I believe The Band only covered four songs pre-LW: Long Black Veil, I Shall Be Released, Georgia, and Masterpiece. There's easily that many, if not more, on Remedy alone.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 22:16:10 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Mike: For background on Elliott Randall & what he's up to check out his website at -- www.elliott-randall.com

Mr. Randall's list of musical influences includes the following entry: "Levon and The Hawks (a.k.a. The Band)"

Posted on Thu Apr 12 21:42:20 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

This fave guitarist/solo business is 90% fun and the other half is near impossible; so with apologies to all those deserving but not mentioned below...

Five guitarists: Ry Cooder, Robert Johnson, Danny Gatton, Peter Green, and JR Robertson.

Five solos: Duane Allman on Boz Scaggs' "Loan Me A Dime", David Spinozza on Dr. John's "Right Place Wrong Time", Elliot Randall on Steely Dan's "Reeling In The Years", Elmore James (lifetime award for achievement in sound boiled down to a single recording) on "The Sky Is Crying", and Link Wray on "Jack The Ripper".

By the way, does anyone out there know what became of Spinozza and/or Randall?

Posted on Thu Apr 12 21:39:44 CEST 2001 from spider-ta041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.61)

Tommy

Danko's first and Levon's RCO Allstars are great albums!!!!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 19:42:09 CEST 2001 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (213.51.109.69)

Norbert

Band music sometimes is so beautiful as......the autistic student today, that gave teacher Brown Eyed Girl a hug...... and the student didn't want to let loose......now talking 'bout miracles......it just makes you wonder......wonder and thankful......

......I wish you ALL happy Easter......and, at times, just wonder and be thankful...... ;-)

Posted on Thu Apr 12 19:26:20 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Thanks for the pointer, Bassmanlee. The dates jive, I suppose, because Dewey Martin recorded as Sir Walter Raleigh in '64 and '65. I believe he/they started out in Seattle, then moved down the coast to LA - or at least they first recorded for Jerden in Seattle, then A&M (?) in LA. The group's several recordings were very Beatlish, and I'm pretty sure that Dewey would have passed himself off as English (which seems to be easier for Canadians to manage than Americans, for some reason).

Anyway, the site you pointed to reminded me of Mason Profit, whose "Two Hangmen" was one of my early FM faves. And their spot on AMG pointed me to my beloved Moby Grape, the discussion of which mentioned the PNW origins of a couple members. Maybe they knew Dewey?

Posted on Thu Apr 12 19:18:44 CEST 2001 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

John Donabie...

Solo album ATB (after the Band) would have to be "AMERICAN SON" I really love the Art work.

Sadly, the original 'barn burned'. I still have a complete set of photos of the interior and exterior of the structure. They bring back some wonderful memories.

Happily, the journey has given us 'Barn Burners' and we wait to welcome you back to Canada this summer.

"AMERICAN SON" Levon Helm! Great Album, Great Artwork, Great MUSIC by an original 'American Son!'

And you will understand that we are proud to adopt him as a favorite 'Canadian Son'

Shine On!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 19:07:38 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

As much as I would like to put "The Caves of Jericho", "Country Boy", "Book Faded Brown" and "Stand Up" on the first three records, I just can't take anything off!

I'm only getting pictures when I pull up the Nicky Love site (obviously I'm not complaining), but is everyone else getting something more(like music or news)?

Posted on Thu Apr 12 18:55:52 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Bobby Black was the other steel player in the Lost Planet Airmen.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 18:43:03 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Bill, the above link goes to a bio of Sneaky Pete on allmusic.com. It says he went to LA in '63 or '65, having worked for the Michigan Highway Dept. for 10 years before that. Since you did not give a date and I have no familiarity with the folks you mentioned, you'll have to figure that one out. The AMG bio mentions his stints with the Burritos, sessions, and solo LPs. I seem to remember he had a short tenure with Commander Cody, but I may be wrong. West Virginia Creeper was one of their pedal-steel men, and there was another.

Did listen to Nicky Love this morning. While not exactly my cup of tea, I would say a large step up from the Brittany and Christina watch me shake my belly-button dance-pop. It's heavy on electronic production, loops, etc., but with some elements of modern rock ala Garbage, Radiohead, and someone else I can't quite put my finger on. And she doesn't do that god-awful warbling diva thing that passes for virtuosity these days. I guess my point is she seems like more than just a pretty face. While some might question the "partied all around the world, felt a lot of pain" rap, I know from the experiences of a family member that a good looks and an easy life don't always go hand in hand. (And by "good looks", I am NOT referring to myself, believe me!) Was not able to listen to Nelly, as RealPlayer crashes my machine, and I've not found a plug-in for Winamp or Windows Media Player that works yet.

Can't narrow down enough to name favorite guitar players, but one of my all-time favorite guitar solos is Robbie's work on Joni Mitchell's "Raised On Robbery".

Posted on Thu Apr 12 18:14:08 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-13.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.76)

Dave the Phone Guy

I should have checked the ultimate resource before posting my last entry. Of course you can find out who wrote any song on any Band album right here on Jan's page.

Marty Grebb and Daniel Moore wrote "Shine A Light". Pre LW albums had outside songs/writers. "Long Black Veil", "Paint My Masterpiece" etc.

Marty Grebb sat in with The Barnburners in February at the L.A. House of Blues.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 18:02:52 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-13.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.76)

Dave the Phone Guy

None of the songs on the first two albums can be replaced, that's true. But, I think "Shine A Light" on the Jericho CD is a good example of post LW song choices. Check out the multi-tracked vocals at the end of this song. That's fantastic vocals. I also love the piano playing, especially the piano intro to "Shine A Light". Lyrics to this tune are kinda liberating. I'm at work so I don't have the Jericho CD with me here today. (meaning I'm not sure who actually wrote this particular song)Great Hudson keyboards at the end of this song. It's definitely a solid tune on my post LW list.

Shine a light So I can see

Lift up these chains around me And set me free

Posted on Thu Apr 12 17:57:33 CEST 2001 from proxy-1371.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.188)

Bill W.

An aside to Bill and Mr. Viney: As for Conrad Black, I don't think he deserves to be a lord or a sir, but, I would love to see a third option enforced: CROWNING!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 17:37:40 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Replacing any song from the first 3 albums by mediocre stuff from High On The Hog sounds like heresy to me... don't do it, please don't you break my heart....

And btw Jawbone with its syncoping rhythms is imho one of their very best and characteristic songs... not easily accessible or singalongable, but that's not what we ever wanted from The Band, didn't we...?

Posted on Thu Apr 12 16:51:43 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Pehr: Mel Brown's still in Ontario, but Kitchener, not Toronto. He's recorded two CDs for the Toronto-based Electro-fi label, however: "Neckbones and Caviar" and "Double Shot!" (see http://www.electrofi.com.) The second CD has Michael Fonfara (Rhinoceros, Lou Reed, Downchild) on guesting keyboards.

Fonfara also plays on the great "2B3: The Toronto Sessions" CD with, among others, Richard Bell and Denis Keldie, who John Donabie mentioned in his latest post. (For more info on the CD, see http://www.2b3torontosessions.com/.)

Bassmanlee or others: Do you know much about the early history of Pete Kleiow? I have a 45 by Sir Walter Raleigh (i.e., Dewey Martin after he left Ottawa but before he joined Buffalo Springfield) that gives partial writing credit to a "Kleinow". Could that be Sneaky Pete?

And, speaking of sirs, Peter, I believe that Canadians can be knighted but not lorded. I'm sure there are a few of the former around, but I can't think who, and I can't imagine why anyone would want to saddle himself with such a silly title. Except our pompous pressman Conrad Black, who seems to be at war with the Canadian government because it has blocked his efforts to have himself lorded in London - on the grounds that a citizen of this country shouldn't have a say in the governance of some other country, as a lord - but not a sir - would. (I guess his ego won't allow him to settle for a sirship.) Anyway, he's now referred to in papers he doesn't own as Lord Almost.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 15:26:09 CEST 2001 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

Heroin + Love? The only thing I could come up with is, Courtney Love! Yuck! Now, that is a nasty looking girl. Nicky looks like the type you would see on the large ads in women's apparel stores.

Since we are on the subject of new music, I'll throw something related to The Band. I just got an interesting CD a short while ago of an artist by the name of Raney (just added the link to his page). As it turns out, he co-wrote a song with Sebastian Robertson called, "Amsterdam." Interesting stuff and it sort of has a 70s flavor to it.

AHROOO!!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 15:12:07 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

NEW STRING???

Favorite solo CD made by an original Band member (so far). For me it's "American Son" by Levon Helm.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 14:56:06 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cass

Hey BWNWITennessee maybe you should think twice before you call someone a moron there may be new people new to this web page who havent heard all the issues that I guess you feel they shouldnt bring up, well next time I better ask your permission first (Dad) am I going to be grounded, get a life!!. I most of forgot this is YOUR page sorry.... also if you were refering to me as a moron for bringing up a issue you were sick of hearing about, it is easy calling someone your not face to face with a F------ moron, you must be a pretty pathetic person.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 14:21:27 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Nicky Love ain't too hard on the eyes - She has a bit of that heroin look about her (not to say she's does that drug) with a touch of Olivia Newton John. Could not get her audio to play nor did anything come up on her bio (I do have an old computer) As far as that message board -to me - that is the worst way to set one up! Long Live the Band GB!

Replacing songs on the first three albums was tough (except Jawbone) But it was fun trying. In ranking the albums of The Band, Aside from the Live stuff and the first three - the Post LW cd's are far and away better as a whole than everything from Cahoots on. Islands is so abysmal, I didn't preorder it just because it would have been a waste of money (to me) The others I know I will pop in from time to time because each has there shining moments.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 07:43:15 CEST 2001 from proxy.pth.iprimus.net.au (203.134.17.8)

Tom Marshman

Iwent to that fryfogles show in March of 1983 with just Levon and Rick performing.Iwas about 23 at the time and there was acouple sitting with me about the same age.we were definately the youngest people in the club that night but i think also the most excited as the Band was sort of before our time.i remember talking to an oldtimer 2or 3 years before about the Brass Rail shows and he said the boys could really cook on their night.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 07:37:16 CEST 2001 from 1cust3.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.3)

Crabgrass

Other than replacing "Tears of Rage" with "Amazon" from Jericho I'd leave the first three Band albums intact. However, if the challenge were extended to include Cahoots I'd leave "Shootout In Chinatown" on (despite it's anti-Chinese sentiment) and replace everything else. The title Cahoots, however, is a great one!!

Found the new entry on the Nicky Love Message Board quite amusing - think most will agree. (Check it out by clicking into Nicky's site on the above "Web Page.") I think Nicky herself will probably have to ask Robbie what it means. BTW apologies to anyone who may have suffered familial strife due to my suggestion to check out Nicky's website - it is rather "adult" in nature. I'd suggest locking the front door in future.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 06:56:03 CEST 2001 from chf-il3-123.ix.netcom.com (207.220.180.123)

Chris

I started to read back a little...and some people are assholes. I suggest that Levon was having some troubles, not that he had lost his magic. The albums were great, with terrific work on them, Everybody shoul accept that the post LW band was every bit as vibrant as ever. W/Without Robbie thet were still great on album and live.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 06:41:41 CEST 2001 from chf-il3-123.ix.netcom.com (207.220.180.123)

Chris

I love the new thread...but I'm afraid to admit that while the post LW Band is terrific, on album or cd, on teo of three they were indeed lacking on the key element. Levon's vocals. I am a true Levonista through anid through, so when I say this I hope it is understood as without prejudice towards levon, but in fact sympathy. Not that he needs mine. I have the video of a reunion show in 83, in fact it is the pro shot 83 reunion tour. Levon is talking in between sets and you can already hear the trouble happening with his voice. It really breaks my heart tio watch it. Then I listen to the last two albums. Nobody could say that he was in top form. On Jericho Levon sounded great. He sounded great on the follow up tour as well. But the truth is the true voice and the strength of The Band has at least temporarily been quieted. Here's to Levon stepping out solo. Playing some mandolin and shining like ragtime willie.

I believe ol' rockin' chair's got me

Posted on Thu Apr 12 05:33:45 CEST 2001 from spider-wl072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.52)

Dave Z

I had one more thought to ponder as a result of my taking a shower before bed, so here goes... Does anybody else out there think of the Band... in whole or parts... as a kinda "Jack Of All Trades" so to speak?... If so, in what ways?... With Tiger now being the reigning champion of all of golf's majors... and I could name a billion other examples... it seems the trend to the top now more than ever involves specialization... and personally this bugs me a little bit, but anyway... I am just wondering if the Band, again in whole or part... is a shining example to contradict the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none?"... maybe in a "jack of all trades, mastered by none" sorta way...

Posted on Thu Apr 12 05:31:49 CEST 2001 from spider-tf033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.188)

Tommy

Rod; I didn't mention 'If I Should Fail'...

I think 'Don't Wait' is a really good song (and the Crowmatix do a good cover of it too)! I never knocked 'Stage Fright"(the album) AT ALL!!!I think it's a great album!I chose 'Strawberry wine' as my "replaceable song" cause I think it's just a plain blues song.It broke my heart doing so..cause I still love that song (and Levon co-wrote).

We must all agree to disagree in here.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 04:52:14 CEST 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John D

What a musical night tonight. Maria Muldaur at The Horseshoe Tavern with (remember those great early day's of Bonnie Raitt) Freebo on Bass. Used to play bass and tuba with Bonnie. Then went over to The Rockit to catch B3 Great Dennis Keldie at the Organ. Ran into Richard Bell of The Band whose living back in Toronto. What a night!

Posted on Thu Apr 12 04:42:44 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.162)

Dave Z

Just back from LA... Spent most of my time hiking in Griffith Park... and got a new appreciation for 4% Pantomime... or at least a new personal reference...

What about "Remedy" and "Blues Stay Away" (I prefer the radio version bonus track from the Palladium Boot, where at the end Garth says "Go Get Em' as a final last words of wisdom)?... Both of those are as good as others on Stage Fright, no?... If you don't like the post-RR Band studio stuff, surely you can't deny the power of these guys just sitting around with wooden instruments... Take for example Levon & Jim Weider playing guitars at beginning and end of Authorized Biography video...

Did anybody see Nelly F. on the Aretha Diva VH1 thing yesterday?... I was just wondering what people thought... I like something about her, but she sure seemed aweful young for that show... i.e. what an opportunity or backing... I think it is interesting that RR is searching out young female talent... it's about time for some new Divas, I mean Aretha is older than, well I won't mention any names... yikes... On that note I am looking forward to JAM and Sea To The North... and eyeing up As The Sun Sets... new music is good music to my ears... so ears to more of it...

Nighty night... and Go Git Em'...

Posted on Thu Apr 12 04:02:56 CEST 2001 from akcf3.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.201)

Rod

Tom, with the exception of Atlantic City, none of the 90's Band songs you mention are any where being in the same league as the Stagefright songs you mention - especially the aweful If I should fail.

Posted on Thu Apr 12 03:43:35 CEST 2001 from spider-tf033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.188)

Tommy

I said "adult contemporary" because I couldn't think of a better way to describe what I meant.The "Peter Gabriel sound" was a better description.I like rock'n'roll...gritty, raw, minimally produced music (in the vaguest description I can think of).I have PG's 'So' album ,and the songs are GREAT, as are the songs on RR's self-titled solo album.But, for me, the production and feel of these records leaves something to be desired.I WOULD NEVER compare these two artists to a waste like Kenny G!!!Now that is crap ,and cannot be justified in any way to me.(Someone's gonna write "But Kenny G is talented...blah blah blah"...Sorry, it's CRAP!!!I'd rather drink poison then listen to that junk.)

Anyways...

'Sleeping' from 'Stage Fright' is a fantastic song, I think.If I had to replace a song from 'Stage Fright' with a later song by The Band, it would have to be...Ummm...Uhhh...maybe 'Dont Wait'. or 'The Caves of Jericho' instead of...Ummm...'Strawberry Wine'(sorry Levon.).'Atlantic City' is too obvious a choice.(I could say 'The Shape I'm In" because it appears on 'Rock of Ages'and 'TLW' later on, but I guess that would be cheating...right?)

Posted on Thu Apr 12 03:38:12 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

bassmanlee: The answer to your question is "Somewhere Down The Crazy River," from Robbie's self-titled first album. Lyrics, of course, are available on this site.

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Posted on Thu Apr 12 01:59:32 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-115-124.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.115.124)

BWNWITennessee

The morons/idiots comment was directed only to those people who keep posting ideas that have been repeatedly refuted, while adding absolutely nothing new or nothing at all to support their claims. And I stand by it.

David Grissom is a great guitar player. He played with Joe Ely, then John Mellencamp, then he was in that band Storyville, with SRV's old rhythm section. Anyone know what he's up to now? I'd recommend Joe's "Live At Liberty Lunch" CD for starters.

Crabby - there's two messages on Nicky's Guestbook now!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 23:36:12 CEST 2001 from d141-8-120.home.cgocable.net (24.141.8.120)

Wayne "Shifty" Deadder

Just did a recent gig with Richard Bell (I'm a musician). He had some great Band stories. What a great guy! Very sweet man.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 22:53:27 CEST 2001 from dhcp58148.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.148)

They Call Me Funk; FREDDY FUNK!!!

Please, someone tell me; WHATS THIS WORLD COMMING TO? Spent the largest part of my life thinking I had most the answers only to be approaching 50 and now realizing how much I don't know. Anyone else out there willing to admit it.. Guess I could blame it those pesky Zebra Mussles. They are killing the microbs that larger bait fish feed on and soon the fishes higher up the chain will be affected and then what am I going to do? I FISH DAMN IT!!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 22:21:15 CEST 2001 from proxy-1381.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.196)

Bill W.

Favourite guitarists: Peter Green; Jimi Hendrix; Lenny Breau; Andres Segovia and Chet Atkins.

Favourite guitar solo: Whoever the guy was who played lead in whatever that group was that played the song "On the Cover of The Rolling Stone". We had the same sound man!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 22:08:47 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-042.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.42)

Peter Viney

BTW, as for reviving the feud (again) I can see us all lined up in our Zimmer(man) frames in the Sunset Home for the Aged raging about this issue in twenty years time. Robbie ripped them off … no, he didn’t … yes, he did … no, he didn’t … until the nurse threatens to confiscate our copy of the brown album and make us listen to the Sex Pistols, as requested by our slightly younger companions. Still, Thursday morning we have that nice sing-a-long to oldies and they’ll let us croak ‘The Weight’. Maybe he’ll be Sir Robbie by then (Canadians can use the title, can’t they?)

Posted on Wed Apr 11 22:04:04 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cass

Talkin about new band albums I think Jubulation was a great album I only wish I could have seen the Band perform those songs in concert. I would put "Stand Up" from High on the Hog up against any Band classic. Lets see if the powers that be could release a album of Richard Manuel's music of unreleased stuff that must be flowtin around somewhere.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:51:24 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

As tough as it is to knock off songs this would be it:

Big Pink -off comes To Kingdom Come - replaced by Book Faded Brown

Brown, off comes Jawbone (which i never liked) on goes Atlantic City

Stage Fright, believe it or not is the toughest,maybe because it's so short but anyway -Sleeping comes off and If I Should Fail goes on AND Remedy gets added as a bonus track.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:57:36 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-127.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.127)

Peter Viney

Pat said: “Just name me one post-LW Band song you would like to put on one of their first three albums, then tell me which song you would remove to make room for it.”

I thought that was a great point, and thought it through the songs. I only found one candidate, and I was beaten to it by Tom; “Strawberry Wine” sounds more like the post-LW band. I wouldn’t touch the original as an integrated listening experience, so keep ‘Stage Fright’ exactly as it, but just song against song, ‘Atlantic City’ is a better song. Then I realized I was discarding a Levon co-composition in favour of a wordsmith, Bruce. However, as far as the other excellent Jubilation songs go, be serious. I love them all, but they aren’t in the same league.

Nicky Love: Is that her real name? It sounds a bit like Mandy Whiplash. Anyway, that site is slow-loading. And there I was gazing at the picture of Nicky Love crawling provocatively towards camera when my whole family walked in. I would say that she looks a healthy, not to say nubile, young person (thank you, Crabgrass, for pointing us towards her), and given that RR is the Svengali, I will certainly give her work a listen without prejudice. Stanley pointed out that Nelly Furtando was worth listening to. Don’t much like the single, but the reviews support him wholeheartedly.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:40:40 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr again

oh man, please dont mess with stage fright! I love all those songs as much as anything off 1st 2 records- (though I will occasionally skip al la glory when about to rock)

probably did favorite RR solos before, but what about this week? I have to think of mine a while, but some of them would have to be off the Roulette singles, that real minimalist, textured, Hubert like stuff.

forgot to mention under favorite players Link Wray and Mel Brown. Is Mel still up in Toronto anyone? Now that fella has Attack and Tone... Dont miss him. Among the blues guys, this guy is top notch.

kinda sorry about the multiple posts today, gang. Its a slow Pehr day.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:29:13 CEST 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Favorite guitar players: George Harrison, Keith Richards,Richard Thompson,Robbie R, Nick Drake, James Burton, Dave Edmunds

also---I'm bummin'...ust heard from Butch that the Levon & Barnburner CD has stalled........

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:22:20 CEST 2001 from dialup-336.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.80)

HANK

Oh! The Irony.....I have about 6-7 kids hounding me as I type, to take 'em to what?....Yep, A CARNIVAL!!!!.....there's CARNIVAL at the edge of town here in Cork tonight.......I must away...but hey! PAT BRENNAN and all.......I reckon "Jericho" is easily as good as "Big Pink" as a listening experience.....and I reckon The Band were as good and tight singing "Testify" live on Letterman in the 90ies and looked as damn cool as they did on Ed Sullivan singing "Cripple Creek" in the 60ies..........

Must go to the Funderland Carnival now.......

Posted on Wed Apr 11 21:09:36 CEST 2001 from (198.173.6.246)

Tom Garvey

To Pat Brennan:

The pre- and post-TLW Band's are in many ways two different Bands, each with its own greatness, and it's impossible not to compare them. Obviously, the original line-up reached a level that no other band has. But to me only the first two albums merit "sacred text" status and some of the Stage Fright songs are inferior to some of the post-TLW songs. That said, here are my substitutions of post-TLW songs for Stage Fright songs, in no particular order:

Strawberry Wine -- Atlantic City

Sleeping -- Book Faded Brown

Just Another Whistle Stop -- High Cotton

All La Glory -- If I Should Fail

Tom

Posted on Wed Apr 11 20:57:54 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

I would like to thank John for getting us away from politics and knee-deep back into the whole anti-Robbie campaign, which seems absolutely ridiculous to me. I know that Robbie's ego rubs many people the wrong way. I know he says "I" instead of "we" at times, but so what?? As Mattk said, Levon blames Robbie for Rick's death, Richard's suicide, the group's drug use, etc. In return Robbie has done nothing but praise his former mates at every step. "This Wheel's On Fire" is at times a great read, but please don't take it as THE history of the Band.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 20:39:20 CEST 2001 from spider-wi083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.58)

bob wigo

His hard earned reputation as a world class curmudgeon aside, I believe Van Morrison is an artist and musician of the highest order. When I first heard "New Biography" from his "Back On Top" disc I felt a bit uneasy with its sardonic tone. I have learned since that a measure of cynicism is oft times the only preventative of any use in matters beyond one's control. I'm reasonably certain the song has been cited here before but now seems a good time to remind everyone of the inherent dangers present in the speculation we lob back and forth like a cheap volleyball. Who cares if it lands in someone's plate of baked beans? Screw 'em. Can't they see we're playing here?

Having suffered through some unfortunate circumstances in my own life that have left me vulnerable to some of that same speculative skewering, I can tell you this...If you don't know it for certain, you don't know anything at all. For the thousandth time -- please let it go.

For those not familiar with the song...

New Biography

See you've got the new biography
Where did they get the info from
Same as before some, so called friends
Who claim to have, known me then
How come they've got such good memories
And I can't even remember last week
Got to queston where they're coming from
What knowledge of me is it that they speak

So far away, way back when
The people that claim, to have known me then
Not on my wavelength and it's such a shame
That they have to play the name game
The fame game, oh the name game,
Lord it's a cryin' shame
Lord tell me what's to blame

Reinvented all the stories they know
Give them all a different slant
What is it that they're really looking for
Just a hobby on the internet

So far away, way back when
The people that claim, to have known me then
Not on my wavelength and it's such a shame
That they have to play the name game
The fame game, the name game,
Oh it's such a cryin' shame, tell me who's to blame

If they didn't really know me way back
How can they know me now, in any respect
It's a pity they don't feel the pain
That they should pay the price to play, to play
The fame game, the name game
It's such a cryin' shame, please tell me who's to blame

Not on my wavelength and it's such a shame
That they have to play, have to play the fame game
Oh the name game, it's a cryin' shame
Please tell me who's to blame
They keep on playin'
The fame game, oh the name game
It's such a cryin' shame, please tell me who's to blame
Keep on playin' the fame game
Lord, the name game, its such a cryin' shame
Please tell me who's to blame
They just keep on playin' the fame game
Oh the name game, its such a cryin' shame
Please tell me who's to blame
Keep on, keep on playin'..

On a much lighter and friendlier note..how about a new thread?

Since the "favorite guitarist" thread has had a bit of difficulty lifting off, how about a top ten list of your favorite recorded guitar solos?

Let's get back to the joy of the music !!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 20:40:16 CEST 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

I think Nicky Love's GREAT. Great bass player. Great writer. Great singer. I especially like his "Pure Pop for Now People". Sure looks different on the record cover from the web site though.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 20:28:30 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

snarky!

a "snark" is someone that farts in the bathtub and snaps at the bubbles

Posted on Wed Apr 11 20:06:39 CEST 2001 from wcc6-239.wccnet.org (198.108.50.239)

Ribczar

So Twilight, have you had your last gleeming?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 19:55:48 CEST 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Hey Pat, I like your challenge. I suggest replacing Up On Cripple Creek with Move To Japan. See how that works for you, and let me know! :)

Posted on Wed Apr 11 19:22:30 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

That's John Beland.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 18:57:49 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

In the serndipity that is the GB, I guess I could turn off PETER GABRIEL (remember, the alphabet dictates my programming) and listen to little Nicky's sound bites... but maybe another day. She is a bit of looker though.

Listened to a CD by a re-formulated Flying Burrito Brothers called "California Jukebox". Sneaky Pete, Gib Gilbeau, John Weyland (I think) and someone else. An enjoyable if not earth-shattering disc, by some old hands tyring to keep their thing going. Kind of like the "new" Band. Anyone else heard it? Wondered if anyone knows if they are still touring or active as FBB. Disc was from '97 I believe.

On the Robbie thread, from which album (if any) is the song named or containing the line "Catch the Blue Train"? Very atmospheric with a close-miced narration about a fortune teller? Is that not Robbie singing the chorus or is it someone else? Or is the song by someone else entirely and I am totally out of my mind?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 18:57:24 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-093.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.93)

Peter Viney

Carmen: apologies, in my haste to defend RR I mistakenly put Roger Waters, because I recalled him being on the jam at the end of Sevilla Guitar Legends. His set had just finished and Bruce Hornsby was on with him, as he had been earlier with RR, then RR’s band came on and encored with “Baby What You Want Me To Do” – I assumed Waters had stayed on, but I just looked at the video and couldn’t see him. Instead Robbie jammed with Richard Thompson and Roger McGuinn and Les Paul – a fair set of replacements.

I like this four piece tour. Can we have Kate Bush do a guest spot so Peter Gabriel can do “Don’t Give Up”?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 18:52:47 CEST 2001 from user-33qta7u.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.254)

Pat Brennan

Hank and all, I agree it's a matter of personal taste and all, and I enjoyed a number of post-LW shows and all, but please. The original quintet had played together for years, revolutionized the scene with those first two albums, and performed absolutely brilliantly from 69-71, oh, and recorded Stage Fright. I mean it was like listening to a cross between Appalachian R&R and classical jazz, all hanging off some of the greatest songs of the era. It was like nothing at the time (still is). I also saw the Dylan 74 tour (first show at the old Chicago Stadium) and the original 5's last Chicago Show (Washington RaceTrack of all places). Thanks to Garth, their sound was expanding and I loved the NLSC material; boots of the 76 tour prove my point (at least to me). Crabby can rip Cahoots all he wants, and others can argue there was some parity between the pre and post-LW Band's. Just name me one post-LW Band song you would like tor put on one of their first three albums, then tell me which song you would remove to make room for it. I'm listening...

Posted on Wed Apr 11 18:39:47 CEST 2001 from msproxy-four.lfucg.com (199.165.138.96)

Paul Schoninger

Eliza's Horoscope is a weird little movie from around 1970 with Tommy Lee Jones as the lead. I didn't realize the Richard Manuel was in it as well. Don't think The Band did musice for it either.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:49:08 CEST 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

Crabgrass: I can only speak for myself but I already have Nicky's enjoyable site as my new startpage :) BTW anyone managed to download her videos yet? I only get an error :( ..... very irritating, reminds me of those countless, frustating clicks on the "naked brittany" pic a while back (which BTW still is missing, I just checked).

Any info on whether Robbie actually plays on her album? He is mentioned as a Executive Producer.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:47:08 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cass

Just like to say that I have enjoyed all the arguments on both sides. Its fun to see where others stand on this issue if I brought up a played out arguement its only because I have only recently been able to get to use a computer everyday. I will agree with everyone here the Band then and the "new" Band were the greatest and thank god for the Barnburners, Gurus, and Crowmatix I just love the music and didn't mean to get everyone all fired up (but it was fun!!)

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:32:56 CEST 2001 from ptldme-unallocated-66-30-209-134.maine.rr.com (66.30.209.134)

mattk

Well, I for one haven't heard much Peter Gabriel on adult contemporary. When one uses that term, I think of vanilla, milquetoast, a la Mariah Carey, Kenny G, Celine Dion, etc.

Personally, I think Peter Gabriel he's a freaking genius, so there's no accounting for taste. I would challenge the assertion that he's adult contemporary. Say what you want, but he's not vanilla. Besides, while 80s production values were overblown, it's important to remember that many of these crappy groups are emulating PG in a very superficial way -- it's akin to blaming The Band for the sins of The Little River Band, or Firefall.

Music for Native Americans and Red Boy are very different albums from Robbie Robertson or Storyville. Frankly, Storyville is the one I like the least of the four.

The most recent two are my favorites. Both are pretty tightly produced (like the first two), but it comes off a bit more ambient, to me, like something you'd get from Daniel Lanois. Red Boy, at times, has a bit of a trance/downtempo feel, understandable given the presence of Howie B on one song.

Not sure if you'd like them more, but they are very different from the first two. Depends on your taste. I like ambient/trance type electronica (Massive Attack, Bjork, Fila Brazilia, Kruder and Dorfmeister, et al), so I appreciate the presence of that style in RR's new music. Others don't. Matter of taste.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:22:09 CEST 2001 from spider-wi042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.37)

bob wigo

Ah, the sweet aroma of dysfunction in the morning.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:15:09 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

mattk: I don't despise Robbie, never said anything like that. I'm thankful that I've had the chance to hear his music.

I purchased "Storyville" because it was recommended by folks here. I've listened to it more than "a little". Sorry, I just don't care for it. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff I like that you or others here wouldn't care for. That's fine. I never said anything about Kenny G. I DID mention Peter Gabriel, and I will stand by the statement that the production of certain songs on "Storyville" is reminiscent of that style. I never said I had listened to his last two albums. Do you think that I might like them more? Are they substantially different in sound and production?

No need to get snarky, Robbie defenders!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:08:10 CEST 2001 from 1cust222.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.222)

Crabgrass

Yeah, the GB was getting really boooorrringgggg for me too!! I would like to see a special section created on this site that would give us all access to up-to-date accounting records concerning all Band member royalties for any use or airplay broken down for each living member (including the '90s Band)as well as the estates of Rick Danko and Richard Manuel.

I would also like to see more discussions about singing sensation Nicky Love's music and Robbie's involvement with it. Is everyone (especially Robbie's BIG fans) too lazy to click onto the Nicky Love site ("Web Page" above) and spend a lousy ten minutes downloading FLASH and Nicky's exciting state-of-the-art web pages?

A very sad situation indeed. No wonder there's only 1 entry on poor little Nicky's Message Board - For shame!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 17:03:15 CEST 2001 from ptldme-unallocated-66-30-209-134.maine.rr.com (66.30.209.134)

mattk

So Brent, do you despise every musician who's a "self-important" prick or is it just Robbie? That's a pretty big list.

And the day I hear anything resembling Red Boy on "adult contemporary" radio is the day I go dancing down the street. Are you seriously comparing, particularly the last two records, to the likes of Kenny G?

Ohhhhh, that's right, you only listened to a little of an album he made ten years ago, riggghhhht. I forgot and assumed we were dealing with informed opinions. Silly me.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:54:49 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

favorite guitar players RR, Roy Buchanan, Mike Bloomfield, Steve Jones, Warner Hodges, Jeff Beck, Danny Gatton, Les Paul, Blind Willie McTell, Hubert Sumlin, Matt Murphy Steve Cropper, and my favorite of em all, Evan Johns

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:52:27 CEST 2001 from ptldme-unallocated-66-30-209-134.maine.rr.com (66.30.209.134)

mattk

John, many of the people I mentioned have SUED each other. Whatever Levon's claims, they are apparently without legal merit. As for his book, which I enjoy when it sticks to musical stuff, it's full of enough holes to resemble swiss cheese in regard to timelines and consistency. Be careful what you take as gospel.

Instead of taking the virolent view, why not just recognize that you weren't there; it was a f***ed up time for ALL involved; and frankly, Levon is so bitter and angry on this subject, if you follow him down that road, you're accepting some rather bizarre suppositions (e.g. it's Robbie's fault Rick died; it's Robbie's fault everyone got hooked on drugs; Robbie had the IRS audit Levon; Robbie killed the reconstituted group's major label deal).

I'm pretty sure I'm talking to a wall here, but I do hope you don't live the rest of your life by examining only one side of an issue before making up your mind.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:48:26 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Hank: great point about "Carnival" drum pattern. I love that Levon drum video. I'd recommend it to any Band fan, you can get it from Homespun Tapes.

Bayou Sam: if you want to yell, I will too: WHY THE HELL ARE DANKO AND HELM CREDITED ALONG WITH ROBERTSON ON "LIFE IS A CARNIVAL"? AND SINCE THEY ARE CREDITED, WHY DOES ROBBIE SAY IT WAS A SONG "I" WROTE? I personally think that he has had a tendency to take perhaps a little bit too much credit for some of the Band's accomplishments, and that this is just one more instance of it, however small. I'm not some Robbie basher, the man was obviously a visionary songwriter and guitar player. But I do have to agree with Tommy re: the "adult contemporary" thing. I have only heard "Storyville" but it does nothing for me- hate the Peter Gabriel-ish production, don't care for the songs. And the argument that Robbie has worked with all these great musicians- well, bully for him, so has Paul Shaffer.

Tennessee- I'm sure no one here appreciates being called a "fucking moron". Of course Robbie has only good things to say about the others. Read the liner notes to the reissues and tell me he doesn't come off like a self-important prick. I couldn't give a crap about the way he dresses...

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:48:12 CEST 2001 from aclermont-ferrand-101-2-1-29.abo.wanadoo.fr (193.251.12.29)

Zoe

Thanks for this wise message Hank, you've said it all.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:41:24 CEST 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Mr. Zero

In regards to Robbie's treatment of his former colleagues, the only time I've noted any disrespect in interviews was toward Dylan. I've always felt their relationship is odd.

While complimenaty to a point, Robbie always has to say something negative about Dylan -- about him being long-winded or that Dylan only cared about the words etc.

Is it jealousy or an Alpha Male thing? Just stirring the discussion a bit.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:32:21 CEST 2001 from dialup-078.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.78)

Hank

"Life is a Carnival" is brilliant if only for the drum pattern. Levon talks about it on his excellent instructional video.....not to mention that the words are a great description of carny life and atmosphere.

FRANKO.....the lead guitarist in my band does cop alot of RRs style .....especially if we're playing a Band song.....we both pinch the notes like RR does ( uh...used to?) from time to time......and he does a great intro to "Back to Memphis"

....just "pinch" them notes with yer pick if ya wanna sound like RR

At the end of the day, folks....love him or hate him, RR is/was an amazing Rock'n'Roll guitar player.......I think the reason he quit life on the road with The Band was because his personal vision of it was ugly (can you blame him?).....and he could'nt see any redemption in the future by continuing. John Lennon did the same thing in his own way. Too bad for them....and us, perhaps.......some folks see how ugly it gets and they turn it into beauty.......Keith Richards, Pete Townsend......Neil Young, BB King....they keep going 'cos they're chasing that live moment..........like The Band up until Rick passed on.......

Anyway, The Band were better off without him when they did get back together......."Jericho" and 'High on The Hog" and their post RR gigs were rockin' and as good as anything they did with RR..... Seriously....they played all over the place, made great albums and lived it like they wanted to.......what more could you ask from them?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 16:18:00 CEST 2001 from aclermont-ferrand-101-2-1-29.abo.wanadoo.fr (193.251.12.29)

Zoe

Don't be so bitter John, it doesn't help anyway. Just listen to what Rick Danko said about being positive (I think it was in that Chicago Radio interview). Love to you all. ZZZZZZZZZZZZOE

Posted on Wed Apr 11 15:45:24 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cassarino

One last comment on Robbie I would like to see what percentage of the royalties Robbie gets compaired to the other members I am sure its a huge difference way more than it should for a group of guys who made great music together, I would be bitter to. This subject is over talked about but hey this site was getting boooorrringgggg!!! if you want to debate stuff on this web site it should be music related this is a music based site. To all you who compaired other groups not being brothers well I am sure those members didn't rip each other off as bad as Robbie has with the his fellow Band mates. Another thing I am not saying I know everything thats just the way I see it through reading Levon's book and the April 26 2000 Rollingstone article with Levon. I am on his side till the end.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 15:00:45 CEST 2001 from spider-tk081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.211)

bob wigo

From the Melody Maker article just added to the site...

"Two men with Arriflexes walk across the stage constantly, filming."

I think we all know the next question.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 14:42:46 CEST 2001 from spider-tk081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.211)

bob wigo

Thanks Crabby.

I had a bet that Nicky Love COULD chew gum and lose her virginity at the same time.

We have a winner!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 13:56:54 CEST 2001 from port50.phl.netdoor.com (208.148.216.114)

Deb

Bill W., if you read those posts as conflicting, I obviously didn't express myself well. Simply put, I disagree with Mr. C. The "dump it at Robbie's door" comment was an evidently inept way of saying that it really doesn't much matter what people who are not directly involved think about the situation. Did that break the tie for you?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 13:51:37 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Carmen: two songs by RR Day of Reckoning and Somewhere Down the Crazy River - candles, wine, my wife-ooooh baby

Dylan - Hurricane and Sweet Heart Like You

Gabriel - Red Rain, Shakin the Tree

Jager-too many to choose

Posted on Wed Apr 11 13:48:40 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

Brown-Eyed Girl: Cassandra Wilson is great...I would recommend "Blue Light 'Til Dawn" or "New Moon Daughter" to start with; both terrific albums.

Crabgrass: Thanks so much for the annotated article about Robbie's new DreamWorks find...it's hilarious.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 13:45:04 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Woke up this mornin', came outta bed... had a glance @ the Band guestbook, saw someone feeding the feud & the usual Robbie bashing, well, I went back into bed and slept on... mmmm... nice bed.... bzzzz... wake me up when it's over...

Posted on Wed Apr 11 13:32:32 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Favorite Guitar Players- RR, Knoffler,Lofgrin & David Gilmore.

Question to Peter Vinney-when did RR jam with Roger Waters

Question to all-If Dylan, Gabriel, RR & Jager were to get together and tour (as referenced in Whats New Article), which song from each would you like to see them perform together? Like a Rolling Stone, Biko, Fallen Angel & Memory Motel is my list.

Best Regards to All!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 07:02:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tf071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.206)

Tommy

I have played in a band wherein, when the band broke up, we weren't as close afterwards.I think that's WHY we broke up...Them's the brakes.

Robbie's new music doesn't excite me much, but that doesn't mean he wont come out with an album at some point in the future that I'll enjoy!His stuff is a little too (for lack of a better description)"adult contemporary" for me.The songs on his solo albums that I do have ARE really good though...I'm just not crazy about the production and some of the themes.Ya cant win 'em all.

By the way..I lost my eBay auction.It was for a The Band button from the 70's.DAMMIT!!!I have a collection of rock'n'roll buttons, and that one would've fit in PERFECTLY!!!I wasn't paying attention and someone outbid me at the last minute.Ahhhh..."You snooze, you lose" I guess.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 06:28:21 CEST 2001 from ptldme-unallocated-66-30-209-134.maine.rr.com (66.30.209.134)

MattK

John, who the heck says "band members are supposed to be like brothers?" Certainly Lennon and McCartney, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey, Dave Gilmour and Roger Waters, any two Eagles, Dennis Love and any Beach Boy, Jan and Dean, Dennis DeYoung and the rest of Styx, Simon and Garfunkel, Sam and Dave, CSNY, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, and Led Zepplin...these are all paragons of family values.

Or perhaps you DID mean brothers - like Cain and Abel? Or the Fogerty brothers (who didn't make up even when one was dying). Or the Gallegher brothers from Oasis who are suing each other? How about the brothers in the Black Crowes who've been known to punch each other on stage? Who's family are you watching, exactly, the Sopranos?

I mean come on, John. I'm disappointed in the fact that Robbie and Levon don't get along, but the concept that they are SUPPOSED to get along is a fantasy.

Fact is, the world is littered with with musicians who at one point were close and are now intensly estranged. Even in your rank bar bands...heck, we can take a poll right here. How many GB musicians were in bands at some point in their lives where you thought you'd be brothers for life and now two or more people won't speak to each other any more?

Besides, if we're keeping score as to mean commentary. Robbie doesn't even place in that race. Anything else is speculation.

I'm breaking my own promise, but jesus people, how many times do we have to rehash this old crap before it gets...old?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 06:12:42 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-118-134.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.118.134)

BWNWITennessee

Where do people get this shit? No matter how many quotes you give where Robbie does nothing but praise his former Bandmates, even Levon, people still just decide to make up the fact that he bad-mouths them. You're all fucking morons. If you want to hate Robbie because he dresses nice or because he's a Hollywood player, fine, but don't make up lies about him. I'll ask, again, any Robbie-basher to give a direct quote where he says something genuinely negative about the people he used to play with. Or just about anyone all, for that matter. Do that and I'll apologize to you here for calling you idiots. And John, your pathetic Behind The Music quote doesn't count, since, if you listened to the whole thing (and understood it), he was talking about, as he often does, how he had an image in his head of how everyone in The Band had "a job" to do, his job was to play guitar and write songs, that's why he didn't sing (the fact that he couldn't sing nonwithstanding, of course). Levon's "job" was to sing and play drums. Garth's "job" was to play organ.

Crabgrass, re. bubblegum and losing one's virginity - well, you wouldn't want a bunch of nine-year-olds smoking cigarettes, would you?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 06:11:01 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

Guitar Favs: RR, Steve Howe, Jeff Beck, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Roy Buchanon..,

Posted on Wed Apr 11 05:59:02 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Sherry: My favourite guitar players are Robbie Robertson (although on his solo work he continues to tease us with his brilliance), Steve Cropper, B.B. King, Eric Clapton, Mick Taylor and Brian Jones.........

On the Isle Of Wight video....you get to hear Dylan but you don't see him......my favourite performance that you do get to see.......Paul Rodgers singing "All Right Now".

Posted on Wed Apr 11 04:33:09 CEST 2001 from spider-wd054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.174)

Sherry

Well stated Deb! Brown-Eyed Girl - Yes, I did witness Nils during his back-flipping hey day in the mid-eighties at two Bruce shows in Dallas. I'm sure it is much easier to do flips in your mid-thirties than when pushing fifty! The look of joy on Bruce's face that he still has when tearing into Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out is testament to his claim to be just a prisoner of rock and roll! On the HBO concert the other night his tent-preacher performance of TAFO just left me exhausted. Speaking of Nils I would place him in my top five guitar players, along with Robbie, Clapton, Steve Van Zandt, Eddie Van Halen and Jim Wieder. Oops I think that's six. I would be interested in other people's lists on that subject also, although it may have been discussed before and I may have missed it. I have discussed this with others, and am frequently told I must include Jimi Hendrix, but while he was definately ahead of his time, he has been out-slung by many since. Who knows how he would have evolved and what innovations he would have accomplished had he not died at such a young age. I was fortunate to see the Band at a little blues club in Dallas in '87, whereupon Rick gave me and my friend backstage passes to their performance at Billy Bob's in Fort Worth the next night. We got to sit in on the meet and greet backstage before and after the show, and gave Rick and their road manager, I believe his name was Andy, a lift back to Dallas, where we talked music til early morning. Someone mentioned tight bands - what strikes me as just about the tightest band performance I have ever heard is Van Morrison's band on Domino. Does anyone besides me love Steve Van Zandt's Voice of America?- - Hope I am still allowed to contribute my two cents after a bit of a skewering this weekend, but I appreciate some of the levity in some posts I have read since, and a couple of friendly e-mails from contributors telling me it's okay to be me. For that, thanks!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 04:26:34 CEST 2001 from 1cust75.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.75)

Crabgrass

In my undying desire to quench the thirst for "all-things-Robbie" of the GB's Robertsonian contingent I photocopied an article about RR's recent discovery -- singing sensation Nicky Love (the first artist he signed to DreamWorks in his capacity as a big Armani suited record exec) from the Feb. issue of Details magazine at my local library (Unfortunately, I had allowed my subscription to lapse and missed the issue when it first came out.) and am using this post to present some excerpts. Most of you will want to track down and read the complete article - it's the issue with Brad Pitt on the cover dressed as a hip-hop homeboy.

Anyway, here are the excerpts: "She's a pouty Australian whose debut CD Honeyvision is a lavish, sneering romp through 28 years of emotional baggage. "I'm fully prepared to be a rock goddess. I'm gagging to get out there and perform." [As Gunther Toody used to say - "Ooh, ooh, I can't wait!] She's taken a bruising road to fame through a rocky suburban Sydney childhood featuring an alcoholic father and a "crippling" shyness. [Yikes!!] Love quit school in her early teens to chow down on the glamorous life... she hurtled between modeling shoots and television gigs before joining the Freaked Out Flower Children, an all-girl band known more for their hot pants than hot licks. [If anyone has one of their albums can you scan the cover and e-mail it to me?] By her late teens she'd sunk into a rut of non-stop partying. "All the partying and drugs... it kind of slowly became a drag. I felt empty. You can only run so far." [So profound, so true!!] She's learned that writing is cheap therapy. After the death of her father and suicide of a close friend, Love cleared her head and rinsed her system with an eighteen-month soul-scrutinizing trek through Europe... skidded to a stop in London and began composing the material that would eventually form the backbone of Honeyvision. [I dig music with a backbone!!] "All the hardships and wild times and partying were a great source." she explains." [All great art is wrought from pain!!] She refuses to exploit her natural resources... [This refers to her "good looks" I presume and can be verified by clicking the above "Web Page."] "People wanted me to sing these girly, shitty [Her word-choice, not mine.] songs about bubble gum and losing your virginity. But I've already been through that." [Wow!! I never even realized there was a connection between the two!!]

SHE PLAYED HER DEMO FOR LEGENDARY BAND MAN ROBBIE ROBERTSON, who was moved enough to make to make Love his first signing as a DreamWorks A&R executive. [He may have also brought her along to a few basketball games.] Of course, Love didn't know she was spilling her guts to THE Robbie Robertson. "I didn't realize quite the legend he was," she admits. "I'd heard some of his songs but didn't know much about the Band or his dealings with Dylan." [At least she seems to have heard of Dylan!!] Love says Robertson's influence in the studio was sagelike: "He told me - Remember, Nicky, you've got to live with this for the rest of your life. Make sure you're happy with it." [Sound advice for any other aspiring artists out there!! Anyway, if you want to hear some samples of the music Nicky decided to live with for the rest of her life check the "Media Lounge" on the above "Web Page" linked site.]

FOOTNOTE - Nicky has recently found a base-camp compromise between the Land Down Under and the record-buying USA on the coast of Marbella, Spain. She's already been linked romantically to a cast of various Euro-royals but Love insists her heart belongs to an Englishman - and her two dogs. Besides, she says - "Have you SEEN the Spanish royal family?" [What the hell does she mean by that, I wonder? Well, I can't figure EVERYTHING out!]

If there's enough interest out there I'll be glad to type up and e-mail the entire article to Jan for permanent inclusion on the Band website!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 04:04:22 CEST 2001 from proxy-1381.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.196)

Bill W.

To Mr Cassarino: In your first post, you asked the GB what Robbie had done since 1976. Several responses followed which provided you with a near encyclopedic detailing of Mr. Robertson's activities. Exactly what kind of break are you looking for?

As for Deb's two conflicting posts on this matter, please decide who you are slamming and then make a 3rd post. Consider it a tiebreaker.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 03:34:04 CEST 2001 from port50.phl.netdoor.com (208.148.216.114)

Deb

Break granted, John. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to think it's interesting that there are folks who take the situation borderline personally. People change and they grow, all too often in different directions. I'd love it myself if the original five were still with us, healthy, happy, and out there making new music. And I would consider it a real gift to all of us who love their music to see the surviving members playing together, even once. Unfortunately, life seldom works out that neatly and the reasons for this particular situation are really only known now by the few people whom it directly affects -- for the rest of us it's all speculation and projection. Dump it all at Robbie's door if it makes you feel better. I love the body of work they gave us and its impact on my life over the years and I love seeing where they're all going now. God bless 'em all.

Posted on Wed Apr 11 03:10:01 CEST 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Some more people Robbie Robertson has worked with: Robert Bell, Cree Summer, Al Pacino, Delphine Robertson, Sebastian Robertson, Dylan and Levon Helm ("Sing, Sing, Sing" Let's Make A Better World)..........

Speaking of Nils Lofgren......has anyone ever witnessed his infamous back flips on stage? My favourite song of his is "Valentine" with Bruce Springsteen....and speaking of Bruuuuuuuuce.....I like very much his contribution to Louuuuuuuuu Reed's "Street Hassle" and on "Mike Ness's "Misery Loves Company".

Could anyone recommend a Cassandra Wilson recording for me to check out?

Great song on Nappie to download is "Tupelo Honey" with Van Morrison featuring Bob Dylan......Dylan sings Dylan like no other and then Van switches into "Why Must I Always Explain" in the same song............song was recorded live in '91.

Artists I have seen perform from The Last Waltz: Dylan, Joni, Emmylou, Neil Young, Van the Man, Ron Wood, Slowhand, The Staples, (I have only seen The Hawk in the audience at a Dylan concert), Rick Danko and Levon Helm......and hopefully soon......Levon and The Barnburners!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 03:08:09 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cassarino

To get back to Robbie. I never said the man had no talent obviously he does but Band members are supposed to be like brothers thank god my brothers aren't like Robbie. If he would treat his Band mates the way he does takin all the credit like he was the man and the rest of the fellas were doing "there job" because thats what a Band is supposed to do (quotes from his Behind the Music on VH1) I just feel like he acts like he was the big dog and the rest of the guys were lucky to be with him... Give me a break!!!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 02:04:26 CEST 2001 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

What has Robbie been doing over the past 25 years?

Um, let's see, he's been spending time with his family, making music when he feels like it, producing, acting, became a Artists & Recording manager (A&R man), has fought for many rights, rediscovered his heritage and how to bring it to the forefront. Heaven forbid he should just stand still!

Oh yeah, and he's ONLY recorded or has appeared (on albums or has produced) with Bruce Hornsby, Maria McKee, Terry Bozzio, Bill Dillon, U2, Peter Gabriel, Aaron & Ivan Neville, The Blue Nile, Neil Young, Willie Dixon, Gil Evans, Cassandra Wilson, Coolidge (Rita, Priscilla, & Laura), Ulali, Jim Wilson, Silver Cloud Singers, Howie B., Martin Page, Ryuichi Sakamoto, The Call, John Trudell, Alex North, Van Morrison, Tom Petty, Ginger Baker, Code Blue, Mark Isham, The BoDeans, Kashtin, Hal Willner, Tudjaat, oh, and three of those guys you're high on, (Rick, Richard, and Garth) at one time or another.

AHROOO!!

Posted on Wed Apr 11 02:01:18 CEST 2001 from ottawa-ppp3517267.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.138)

Richard Patterson

Hi Bandland… I just got a CD in the mail today that I wanted to mention to you folks… The new Du-Tels CD is called ‘No Knowledge of Music Required’, and should appeal to people who love the music of the Band… The Du-Tels are Peter Stampfel (Holy Modal Rounders, Fugs, Bottlecaps, etc.) and Gary Lucas (the guitarist for the last incarnation of Captain Beefheart’s Magic Band, and more recently leader of the group Gods and Monsters).

Wow! This is the cat’s ass ! The only way I can describe it is psychedelic/folk… Banjos, mandolins, fiddles, and Peter’s squawking vocals all running wild… The new original songs describe the travails of "Astro Boy", "The Man in the Moon", and the "Rotten Family", and the covers include jarring, off-kilter versions of "Shortening Bread" and "Ring of Fire", but all the performances make the tunes sound like they’re novelty numbers from ‘Harry Smith’s Anthology of American Folk’… Indeed, Peter Stampfel knows his Harry Smith material well and is responsible for liner notes to the 1997 re-issue… The liner notes to this new CD are a clever parody of the original 1952 Harry Smith liner notes, complete with adds for Bunged-Up Eyes, Jewish Nickels, and Lady’s Leg pocket knives…Very cool…

And yes there is even a Band connection! The Holy Modal Rounders contributed "So You Want To Be a Bird" to a particular 1969 movie soundtrack that also featured the Band… and Hendrix…

Have a good night folks and enjoy your music…

BUTCH and LEVON: Ontario is looking forward to the Barnburners gig in T.O.! See ya there JOHN D.?

Posted on Wed Apr 11 01:33:17 CEST 2001 from spider-wo041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.36)

Bayou Sam

Maybe Robbie claimed he wrote "Life is a Carnival" BECAUSE HE WROTE THE DAMN THING. Hey Butch, could you check with Levon on that and get back to us?

I remember reading a great story where Mike Nesmith had positioned himself under the bleachers at some Monkees gig so he could watch the opening act (Hendrix). He was a big fan, and was loving the show - all the while, the fans were booing and screaming for the Monkees.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 23:51:37 CEST 2001 from (137.187.146.245)

Jonathan Katz

Check this site out for a top 10.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 23:25:55 CEST 2001 from (206.187.219.43)

Elly

Hello out there! I myself, am a great fan of Loggins and Messina "Peace of Mind" to the posts here--that album was one of my all time favorites: "Sittin' In"....To the post the other day about Leonard Peltier....And the fellow who has a relative who was there and says that he is guilty...Well, I KNOW that he isn't, wasn't nor would ever be. They got the wrong man. Time for his freedom. Then a SCARED HOOP ENERGY will be healed and sent around the earth in the anmae of sacred healing peace. This freedom along with a few others will do a lot of SAVING on this earth. SPIRITUALLY and more...I hope that alot of people involved in decision making will UNDERSTAND the meaning of this freedom. It will protect alot of all of us spiritually.. Especially during this time of great question and concern with China and the Mid East. We need to send a great POSITIVE spiritual message out there in the name of PEACE.. Ask the exquisite Native Americans... They'll show us the right way to heal and share..Please free Leonard. As for the postings that refer to Robbie not doing this or that musically--what gives? Robbie is an incredibly credible person. And BUSY... And has done gorgeous progressive work on his Music For The Native Americans cd...And he has encouraged Nelly Furtado, who seems capable and sounds a bit refreshing on the music scene these days. Is he doing rock music coreesponding on the level of the Band? No. Because that hasn't existed. That kind of original talent on that level is kind of sparse out there. When people start reaching higher and REAL talent comes on the scene, then I am sure people like Robbie will take notice and move with it and encourage it. Has anyone out there heard that kind of wealth of consistent music in comparison with the original writers of the past? I haven't and I am always on the lookout for great writers to inspire me. Maybe Beck or Jeff Buckley (GOD BLESS) have that great talent from the recent past. But I cannot come across any outstanding new talent off the top of my head that carries a wealth of intelligent lyrics and more. Stop picking on him. All the guyz of the band are terrific. EMLHAAWBWH

Posted on Tue Apr 10 23:22:58 CEST 2001 from port17.phl.netdoor.com (208.148.216.81)

Deb

Geez, John, why does it have to be such an either/or proposition? If you check the archives on this site, you'll find that this discussion surfaces on a regular basis and you're certainly not alone in feeling as if Robbie Robertson is the anti-Christ of music. Isn't it possible to acknowledge that he and the other members of the Band simply chose different directions after TLW?

I like to hear live music and will be there as soon as the Barnburners or the Gurus are playing within driving distance of where I live. (Memphis? New Orleans? Birmingham? When are y'all heading south, guys?) I respect their work and what they are doing, but personally, I can't categorize someone as less "real" because he takes a different direction.

As far as who wrote what and who took advantage of whom, I don't know. I wasn't there. I do think you can look at Robbie Robertson's solo work for evidence that he remains a talented songwriter and incredible guitarist. It may not be something you like. I'm not crazy about all the artistic choices made by the post-Robertson Band ("Move to Japan", "Remedy", "Free Your Mind", for example)but the fact that I don't enjoy those songs doesn't negate the talents of Levon Helm, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson and Rick Danko and the others who have been part of the Band. It simply means I'd rather hear other things they recorded. You certainly don't have to like Robbie's later work -- "Redboy" doesn't get out of the jewel case much at my house -- but the fact that you don't doesn't mean that he isn't talented.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 23:06:28 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Apologies, my last post failed to mention that Robbie has also worked with Eric Clapton, The Blue Nile, Van Morrison, B.B. King since the Last Waltz. If you include jamming, you bring in Bruce, Keith, John Fogerty, Solomon Burke, Roger Waters, Les Paul …

Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:43:18 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tj054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.44)

franko

Good catch, Twilight. Bye for now, Sherry. Good luck, Tommy. I thought you left, Crabby - welcome back. Don't stay away too long, D. It's almost a full time job keeping up with this GB. Hank, has the guitarist in your band tabbed any of robbie's solos? I'm trying to learn them by myself, and since I don't play very well yet, I'm not getting anywhere. But I want to. Honest I Do.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:39:35 CEST 2001 from ti33a61-0071.dialup.online.no (130.67.168.71)

Steinar Sørensen

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Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:37:23 CEST 2001 from spider-tf043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.193)

Tommy

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Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:31:03 CEST 2001 from dialin-5.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.36)

Gene

You made it too easy, 5555ass. Don't worry, I'm not bidding against you ;)

Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:27:17 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-00-12.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.27)

Dave the Phone Guy

Fayetteville, Little Rock, Memphis times two, Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis, Piercy ?, Somers Point, and Canada get ready. The Barnburners are coming to a venue near you!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 22:20:13 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-070.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.70)

Peter Viney

Going back to the suggested “Last Waltz reunion” artists, the ones Robbie has worked with were missing from the list– try Peter Gabriel, Neil Young, The Neville Brothers, Daniel Lanois, Priscilla Coolidge, Ulali, Jim Wilson, Dream Wolf Band, Buffy Ste Marie, Maria McKee, U2, Howie B., The BoDeans, Ryuchi Sakamoto, Bruce Hornsby (already there in fact), The Wild Tch ……… oh, does that also answer John Cassarino’s question about what Robbie’s been doing the last 25 years?

Posted on Tue Apr 10 21:47:27 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cassarino

Maybe its because I am a younger Band fan (28 years old) and obviously never saw the original Band as a whole, although I just about listen to them every day I can't help but feel that the majority of Band fans seem to act as if Robbie Roberson is the greatest thing to ever happen. I feel that the core of the Band being Levon, Garth, Rick(rip), Richard(rip) really are the ones that kept the Bands legacy alive. I even would go as far as to say Jim, Randy, and Richard Bell, Aaron Hurowitz, Butch Dener, The guys in Barnburners, Crowmatix, and Gurus are the ones still puttin out the music. I think they deserve the credit it seems that Robbie only wants to talk about all the things he claims he did (patting himself on the back) when the music he has put out dosen't do a dam thing for me. Robbie seems to act like he invented Rock n Roll by trying to be the man at the Hall of Fame each year. When was the last time Robbie did anything in music since the Band split. I have more repect for the guys keeping it real

Posted on Tue Apr 10 20:31:46 CEST 2001 from spider-tf043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.193)

Tommy

Only four hours left til I see if I've won my "Band related merchandise" on eBay...the tension mounts!!!dum dum DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 20:23:23 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Crabgrass: ouch!

Yeah, there are similarities between "Walcott" and "Carnival"- I happen to like 'em both a good bit. And I share the sentiment that "Cahoots" isn't as strong as the first three, but I wouldn't say it stinks...

Posted on Tue Apr 10 19:55:43 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Bones: Thanks for reminding me about that album. As I recall, it includes an interesting version of Muddy's "Mannish Boy". I've mentioned this here before, but Jimi's "Live At The BBC" includes a cover of Dylan's "Please Crawl Out Your Window" which was clearly influenced by the version that Dylan cut with the Hawks. The Dylan/Hawks version was bootlegged and I imagine Hendrix might have heard an early acetate version.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 19:49:10 CEST 2001 from 2cust78.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.140.206)

Crabgrass

Dylan and The Band played the Isle of Wight Festival in 1969. The very last Isle of Wight Festival featuring Hendrix and the Who was in 1970 and is chronicled in Murray Lerner's great documentary Message To Love which I am here recommending for the umpteenth time it seems. The film was edited by Lerner 25 years after the fact and released in 1997 on the art film theater circuit and soonthereafter on VHS video and is an incredible record of the music and times. Highly, highly recommended - what more can I say? (Check a movie database for more info.)

BTW it doesn't bother me if Robbie claims total authorship of "Life Is A Carnival" since the song is a weak imitation of "W.S. Walcott..." and basically stinks both wordwise and musically like most of the album it appears on.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 19:49:06 CEST 2001 from 34-094.018.popsite.net (64.24.177.94)

Guenevere

I think Patrik & Linn should make a special ..."small minds click here" button ...

to rescue anyone who doesn't know how to scroll past a post that they don't want to read ...

Posted on Tue Apr 10 19:31:49 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Bill W and David Powell: You would be interested in the liner notes of the Jimi Hendrix Blues cd. Hammond is quoted in there saying how Jimi was influenced by Robbie's playing on the So Many Roads album. Fascinating liner notes (and a pretty good cd too).

Rick K: I believe any Band fan would love Loggins and Messina's Sittin'In album. More so than any Eagles records, this, to me, was the zenith of the California country-rock era of the early 70s.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 18:22:46 CEST 2001 from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.179)

bob wigo

Just located on eBay....

The "Thank You" card ( with a beautifully penned " I owe you one!" in the author's own hand ) sent to James Last by Joan Baez. A wonderful keepsake for any fan of The Band.

Let the bidding begin!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 18:18:28 CEST 2001 from proxy-1391.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.204)

Bill W.

It's great to see the Loggins-Messina Band mentioned here. They, along with Gino Vannelli's band were, to my ears, the tightest and most original bands to come out of the early 70's. The Loggins-Messina band included: Merel Bergante on drums; Larry Sims on bass; Jon Clarke on soprano, tenor, baritone and bass sax; alto and bass flute; bass clarinet, oboe and English horn; and Al Garth (!!) on tenor and alto sax; recorder, bass clarinet and violin.

As for the biggest surprise ever from an opening act, I cannot imagine what it must have been like to have attended an early Monkees concert in 1967 and witnessed the opening act that went by the name of "The Jimi Hendrix Experience"!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 16:30:05 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

In answer to Bill W.'s question yesterday, I don't know if Hendrix ever crossed paths with the Hawks during that time when Hammond & the then Jimmy James played in Greenwich Village. It's no secret that Hendrix was a big fan of Dylan and it seems likely that he was familar with the Hawks when they backed up Mr. D.

In 1970, when Dylan & the Band played the Isle of Wight Festival, Hendrix and the Who, along with many others, were also on the bill. If I'm not mistaken, this was Hendrix's last live performance before his untimely tragic death in September of that year.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 16:17:17 CEST 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Rick K: Nice post on Eugene. I was at the Goose too. I also saw him on Friday and Elizabeth Dooley's, where he was even better. Bassist/bandleader was Eric Soostar, drummer was the great Jorn Andersen!

I've sometimes thought of mentioning the Pie Guys here, because "The Weight" is often among their show-openers - though not this time. However, the previous Friday, at the Port Credit Legion, Eugene's backing band - a different one - led by guitarist Brian Gauci, did a creditable "Ophelia", which I'd never heard anyone do live, other than our guys.

Among the many songs in Eugene Smith's repertoire are a number that were once in the Band/Hawks: "Liza Jane", "I Love You", "Ya Ya" and "Work Song". A nice version of the last-mentioned appears on the CD he was selling from the stage (the sardonically titled "Eugene Smith's Greatest Hits, Volume 1"). A much earlier Toronto version, by Richie Knight and the Midknights, was, as far as I can tell, Richard Bell's first record.

For those of you who don't know Eugene, who I'd rate as one of Toronto's two greatest "gifts" to the pop/rock/soul world (the other being Robbie Robertson), he goes way way back to the days of Hawkins and the Hawks. He used to guest sing with our guys, he's the guy who alerted the media to Hawkins' quiet church wedding, he was the original singer in the Disciples, the group that replaced the Band/Hawks on Hawkins' stage, and he's the guy who led the amazing band that would eventually replace the Disciples when they left Hawkins. "Miami Vice" fans might remember his "Rock By Day, Roll By Night" from the Phil Collins episode.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 16:15:55 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Great interview with Robbie in the "What's New" section. A couple of questions:

Anyone find it funny/irritating when he said "a song *I* wrote" about "Life is a Carnival"?

Has anyone seen the movie "Eliza's Horoscope"? Or was it ever released?

Posted on Tue Apr 10 14:35:13 CEST 2001 from pc51-184.hiof.no (158.36.51.184)

Patrik & Linn

As some of you might have understood, we are two students at the college where Jan work who are spending most of our time during our last term here attempting to expand and (if possible) improve this web-site, and thereby pleasing Jan (and you)...

One part of our project is to come up with some proposals for a new design for the site. It is _not_ thereby said that the site will be redesigned in the near future (we only have two months left here and we doubt Jan would want to do all the work that would implie alone, he'll need some new students for that...), we are only to come up with some _ideas_. This is were you come in. We have only "known" this site for a few months, where as some of you have been here since the beginning. If you have any ideas as to what could be done different here, please drop us a few lines. It can be about anything, proposals for a new graphical design, features you miss (like an internal search-engine), ideas for the site layout etc. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated! If you know of any other sites similar to this one that might give us some ideas as to how to structure things, don't hesitate to mail us the adress.

In the meantime, if you're curious about what we are doing for the time beeing, feel free to visit our project web-site (Web-page)!

All the best,

Patrik and Linn

Posted on Tue Apr 10 11:51:07 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp166.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.166)

Diamond Lil

Richard P, Butch, Charlie Young, Brien Szabo, Jon Katz,Amy Jo, Dr. Pepper, Cupid, Dave Z, Illka, Rick, Diane, Ron S., Mike, Hank, Tommy, Rose, Bob Wigo, Little Brother, Kay, Bill W, Kevin G, John D : Thank you for all your nice e-mails. I read them all and will reply when I am able to.

Rick: Kindness does not come back. It is used, abused and discarded.

I miss being a part of this 'community', and am hoping that when I am ready to contribute things more fitting of myself, I'll be back. Until then, everyone be happy..and thanks.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 11:27:27 CEST 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

Emmylou essentials: if you are a new fan, I guess you will need to get Wrecking Ball, Red Dirt Girl and Spyboy Live right now. Of the older stuff, if you are into more country-ish music, there are tons of good music to pick up, maybe some compilation would be a good place to start. Otherwise try Pieces of the Sky, Luxury Liner or Roses in the Snow (and there are maybe 4 or 5 more essential records I would not object recommending).

And Buddy Miller, I agree he is an amazing guitarist, one of the best today. I strongly recommend his solo records as well.

TLW artists I have seen: Emmylou, Neil and Clapton (an excellent show last thursday. Finally a good one I might add, he has been a bit boring live lately). Going to see Dylan this summer, and hopefully Garth somewhere in Norway in May.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 07:33:44 CEST 2001 from spider-wd063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.178)

Bayou Sam

There is a cable channel in my area called "The Metro Channel" that ran a really nice interview with Tom Paxton today. He talked about everything from Phil Ochs, to Rap music. He played some tunes as well. It was great. Those of you around here should look for it.

RIGHT NOW, there's a commercial on TV for Nissan with The Who's actual recording of "Bargain" playing as the backround music. Mmmmmmmmm, The Who sell out?

Posted on Tue Apr 10 06:48:42 CEST 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

ajr

And now for something completely similar… ***Check out my collaboration with the artist known as Crabgrass. Hit the webpage link above. See if you can find the bonus hidden link to candid shots of Britney!!***

BTW I saw Emmylou Harris last night. My second TLW artist. (Bob Dylan was the first.) I was mainly interested because of The Band connection but I found it well worthwhile. She was onstage for over 2 hours & was really energetic and personable though she has been touring to promote Red Dirt Girl for ages now. I really enjoyed the guitar playing of Buddy Miller too. If any GB-ers have any recommendations on the quintessential albums for a beginner Emmylou fan to get, I’d be interested to hear them.

Incidentally, Emmylou was nice enough to say that the town where I live is a gem of a place so I’m sure other TLW/GB connected musicians would like it here too!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 06:32:21 CEST 2001 from 1cust127.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.127)

Crabgrass

You can blame any political discussions here on Bob Dylan who just happened to pen quite a few political protest tunes in his eary days which deeply affected many of us and are still relevant to more than a few who discuss The Band's music and related subjects here. I'd say "Talkin' John Birch Society Blues" was kind of political. How about "Masters of War," "Blowin' in the Wind," "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol," "Hollis Brown," "Maggie's Farm," and "Hurricane?" Obviously, the list goes on and on all the way back to Dylan's predecessors Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie.

I happen to enjoy being exposed to the views of other GB posters whether they are in agreement with mine or not and suggest that anyone wanting to avoid discussing political or related issues when they crop up here from time to time go read and post in the 'N Sync guestbook. You might find it more your cup of tea!!

Personally, I like this site because the majority of posters here are more than one dimensional.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 06:25:03 CEST 2001 from on-tor-blr-a58-04-562.look.ca (216.154.18.54)

Rick K

Spent a warm Sunday in Mimico's Blue Goose, listenin' and boppin' to New Toronto's Eugene Smith, backed by Sunday stalwarts The Pie Guys . . .

What a Blast! Eugene's pipes are great, his pickin is loose and, as always, he works da place . . And Rod, Dave and Chris just might be the best kept secret in Toronto . . .

Welcome summer!!

How 'bout a new thread to get us back to Da Music . . .

Who was the biggest surpise Opening Act anyone has seen? What newcomer really outshone the headliner? My nominee is Loggins & Messina, winter of 1971-72, Maurice Richard arena in east end Montreal. Delaney & Bonnie and friends were the headliners, Billy Preston and band were second bill, and L&M, known only as 'Poco's Messina's new band' were the opener. We had trekked thru a beast of a storm, mountains of snow, waist high drifts (ah-hh the power of youth and Nepalese hash) only to find the show delayed for hours because the bands couldn't get there. In this small arena, with maybe a 1,000 fans, the haze grew as we partied and waited. Some time around 11:00 the lights went out and a solo guitar began, followed closely by Kenny Loggins strong voice, leading into 'Danny's Song'. Messina came in soon after the first verse, and the band followed, and then these guys just took off. If anyone wants to talk about unsung guitar heroes, mark down the name Messina front and centre. This guy is the real thing. And that first edition of the L&M band was as tight as it gets. (I don't remember names, other than Omartin on keyboards.) It was also my first exposure to fiddle-playing in a rock band, although The Brown Album was on my shelf by then and in some ways there was a Band-ish feel to the music

Anyway, they ran through all the tunes off the 'Sitting In' LP, and were brought back out for two encores.

Now, Billy Preston, and then later D&B and Friends were great as well, but its that 'unknown' band I remember first from that night, and I'm willing to bet they sold about a 1,000 LPs the next day in Montreal.

Lil: If the mail's not getting thru, let me say: your kindness made a difference a few weeks back, and will come around in kind, in time.

Dileas gu brath

Rick K

Posted on Tue Apr 10 06:25:59 CEST 2001 from spider-tf033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.188)

Tommy

Hey!I just won an eBay auction for the Levon Helm/Wilfred Brimley movie, 'End Of The Line'!! I've heard some really good stuff about it from some people who have seen it.It's a used copy, but for $9.95, I cant complain.

Now if I can only win my other Band related auction, I'd be a happy man (I'm not telling ya'll what t is cause you'd all get jealous and start bidding on it! Hahahaha.In due time, I'll tell you all what it is...).

Posted on Tue Apr 10 03:00:40 CEST 2001 from spider-tq042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.62)

butch

In Response to everyone that has asked,,,,,& asked,,, & asked,,,,,

YES,, LEVON HELM & THE BARN BURNERS in CHICAGO !!!!!!!!!!!!

JUNE 2nd,,,, @ BUDDY GUY'S club, LEGENDS,,,,,, see ya there,,,,,,,,,, looks like another O'Leary ( chris O'leary ) will be settin that town afire,,,, just like Mrs O'Leary's cow,,,, till then,,,,

Posted on Tue Apr 10 02:46:40 CEST 2001 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Diamond Lil,

Please let me send a HUGE HUG from the "skinny kid" and all you friends in BAND CyberLand!

Shine On Girl!

Posted on Tue Apr 10 02:05:05 CEST 2001 from (12.23.133.6)

Luke

Let's keep all the politcal BS out of the guestbook. If you want to get on a soapbox, do it somewhere else. No on cares about your personal politcal views. As Levon himself has said, "We are non-political".

Posted on Tue Apr 10 01:54:42 CEST 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-24-236.maine.rr.com (66.30.24.236)

mattk

What's up with D-Lil? I know she had some e-mail problems last week, but was not aware of any other difficulties. Hopefully, whatever it is that's keeping her from postin will pass soon enough. I've scrolled back the last few days and there's nada up to Butch's rather mysterious post. Well, regardless, Lil, here's a shout out to you. Hope all is well with your bad self.

Posted on Tue Apr 10 00:50:45 CEST 2001 from p3ee06dd2.dip.t-dialin.net (62.224.109.210)

Wolle

New Cd: Carl Carlton and the Songdogs "Revolution Avenue".With:Levon Helm(Drums,Mandoline),Garth Hudson(Organ),Carl Carlton(Gitarrist-Peter Maffay Band),Bertram Engel(Drummer-Peter Maffay Band)by:EMI-724353238926

Posted on Mon Apr 9 22:06:48 CEST 2001 from ppp-98-108.21-151.libero.it (151.21.108.98)

Lazzaro Ricciardi

Love to you all

Posted on Mon Apr 9 21:45:04 CEST 2001 from proxy-1431.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.228)

Bill W.

John Hammond Jr's affiliation with The Band is well known; his brief association with Jimmy James is also well known. My question to the GB is this: Did these two artists have any interaction during 1964-1966 when they were both in contact with John Hammond Jr. and working the New York City area?

Posted on Mon Apr 9 21:03:52 CEST 2001 from (212.153.193.19)

Ragtime

Diamond Lil, dear friend, keep your head up, I'm sure you'll be back when you're ready for it. Your many many friends in here will wait for you.

Band connection? If any girl is Band-connected, it's Lil...

Posted on Mon Apr 9 21:00:00 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I will judiciously avoid jumping into any political fray. I will say that it is a testament to the magic of this music from the "Band family" that so many people of differing political & religious beliefs, nationalities and affilations come here to discuss that one thing that seems to unite most of us in spirit -- that is the MUSIC. With Levon & the Barnburners, Jim & the Gurus and Garth & Co. out on the road, that means more & more of us have the opportunity to get together to hear great live performances. With that said, put the other bullsh-t aside and gather together to listen to the music. Music has the power to lift the spirit above the mundane & temporal absurdities of life.

Posted on Mon Apr 9 20:59:54 CEST 2001 from spider-wl082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.57)

Tommy again...

Hey folks..I just read the Robbie interview in the "What's New" section. I liked this answer he gave when posed with the question about there being a "leader" in The Band...

"Nobody takes over when we get on stage."

Hahaha.Then came 'The Last Waltz'...looked like he was "leading" to me.Hahaha.

Also, what ever happened to this Book Robbie mentions?That sounded interesting...I've never even heard about it before...has anyone?

Posted on Mon Apr 9 20:44:33 CEST 2001 from atmax-2-44.enter.net (207.16.153.100)

Little Brøther

While waiting for inspiration to post something, anything, maybe even something Band-related, I thought I'd share an opinion that seems to unite various diversified political thoughts bubbling up lately (click Web Page). It's FUNNY because it's TRUE, as "Open the Door" Homer Simpson likes to say.

Too bad it's not possible to just post the cartoon right here. No, I take that back. Adding graphics and whatnot would make it way too easy to truly destabilize the GB. To paraphrase Huck Finn, we been there before.

Lil: We will wait until it all goes round...

Posted on Mon Apr 9 20:36:40 CEST 2001 from spider-wl082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.57)

Tommy

I listened to the All-Starr Band Anthology CDs.Rick and Levon are on them...nice.

Can't wait for May 12th, when the BarnBurners come to NYC again..it's been too long (December ,I think, is when I saw them last).If I drove, I'd probably be at all the shows in the tri-state area..but I'm a victim to bad eyesight.Oh well...

Posted on Mon Apr 9 19:40:09 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis

Whew, take a weekend away from readin' the guestbook and whadda ya miss? Hmmm...

For my two cents, I'm on Butchie's side: not for votin' mind ya, but the hammer-on-nail editorial that all politics starts locally. Spent my weekend, among other things, fightin' a brush fire 'bout a mile from Big Pink. I've been a local fireman and EMT for these last 20 years. There were also plenty of elderly needing meals delivered. Here's hoping that all OF you are helpin' out in your local communities, also. I KNOW Butch has.

SCAM WARNING!!! There's a fellow scanning the old guestbooks and e-mailing posters to buy his latest 'n greatest. Let the reader beware!

Anyone ever listen to LIVE365 on the net? Apparently they have thousands of "home-brewed" broadcasters available for your listening pleasure and I must say, there are some real goodies. Now my spouse 'n I aren't too knowledgeable on MP3's, but all of these "stations" seem to be simple streaming files. My question: when will one of us, somewhat more technicaly oriented than myself, put their Band (and related) files out there for all of our listening pleasure? Instructions are posted on the site and (I think) I've put the home address on the Web Page listed above. Could be cool for someone with some ambition to do good for their neighbors.....

For those as financially ambiguous as me 'n mine, two recent CD's mentioned in this GB were recently "sneak previewed" on the House Of Blues web site. Those CD's, by Eric Clapton and John Hammond were available for listening (and whatever) for a couple of days two weeks ago. Simply go to www.hob.com and click on CD Station for the latest CD's to be sneak previewed. But beware, you snooze, you lose: they're only posted briefly.

Anyone else out there think Bruce's show this last Saturday evening was "tired?" We kind'a thought he'll be playing the lower Catskills soon, but heck, Ringo beat him to it!

Here's hoping to hear one of you on Live 365 and Butch, please keep up the good work!

....Dennis 'n Wanda

Posted on Mon Apr 9 19:35:54 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

my apologies particulary to those disgusted with the political postings, I didn't mean to get involved but sometimes I need to vent and press the cancel button- but I pressed the wrong one. I have strong feelings about alot of things besides the Band- I dont mean to vent them indiscriminately, I meant to have been quiet. I didnt mean to attack you Sherry and dont believe I did- but I think some of what you read between the lines is true for you as it is toward me. this might not be a time to be too quiet. The "Dish it out but cant take it" comment I made wasn't about you or any "republicans" here, but the context I mean is toward the House. Those investigations were and are obnoxious distractions I believe most sincerely, in light that those that spoke the loudest were found gulty of the same or worse by Larry Flynt's entry into the foray, and those same people dropped the ball for selfish reasons of saving themselves. Clinton's lie under oath was not a breach of National Security so it by law can not be called perjury in this case: Henry Hyde and co. knew this from the beginning, they had to back off and not finish what they started, and did nothing else for all that wasted time. I certainly dont recall the former leader getting even 100 days with the benefit of the doubt. I respect Clinton for making something of himself without it all being given him like 99 percent of politicians out there of all parties. He didn't play ball and wasnt one of them, he had something also, and some people out there got very small and nasty from before he began. All that draft dogding whining I heard for 8 years was Bs in my book too. I'd rather a Rhodes scholar belongs in oxford rather than viet nam and has every right as an american to speak out against war anywhere he is.

With no venom, I just I dont agree with a single policy on the Republican agenda I can think of, save the removal of the "Death Tax" which I support. I am open to being educated by republican-leaning band fans more than any other contingency. My total lack of faith in the republican leadership is deeper seated than your contempt of Clinton, I'm willing to guarantee. If one can tell me of a up and coming repub politico that truly and honestly expresses himself with honesty and courage, please let me know-I think that they have lumped themselves so closely in the same bed I dont see anyone particularly distinguished and original in their thinking- now please tell me- that is an invitation and not a challenge. I'd be very happy and look into the matter immediately. I love a politician I understand and believe in. I'd be as happy to find one as a lost Band record!

I didn't mean to be venemous to you at all Sherry, but my "Show me" is an invitation to anyone from the Republican/conservatives to explain just what is going on in this country now! it is scary and confusing to me, and I'd rather not move to Canada, North Wales, Sweden or Norway, (my favorite places to visit ...but this is a global world and there is no escaping our global destiny, what ever that is.)- E mail me. I am sincere, none of these people, actions, policies makes any sense to me at all. End , over & out on that. I'm sorry to hear about the rude E-mails going around. There are probably a few for me waiting, we'll see...

OK- Townshend/ Band connections:

I never saw, nor talked to anyone who saw Rick in "The Kids are Allright" movie. I do wonder how his name got on the credits, I have combed that movie several times over the last 20 years with no luck yet. I think its just Pete's way of thanking Rick for inspiration and singing lessons!

There was a great post awhile back from Kevin Gilbertson, I believe, about a copy of Big Pink addressed to Steve Marriot from P.T. with a note to play "Chest Fever" in particular. I'm a good fan of PT and Marriot as well as the Band so I enjoy that tale alot.

I think The Band's music changed Townshend's work quite a bit, but I'm just guessing. After "Tommy " was completed I think the Band's music opened alot of things for brit-rockers to work with, and in the Who's case in particular it gave them something particularly interesting to go on. I think the work the Band did raised the bar and forced the Who to grow up a bit (which could have been a very bad thing, BTW,) and get deeper into some of the more visionary, futuristic topics things and sounds they did (and did not finish, i.e. "Lifehouse")... it also seemed to be the end, more or less of a Dada- phase in The Who's work- "Cowbwebs and Strange", or "Dogs- pts. I & II", "Happy Jack ", "A Quick One", "Whiskey Man"... All that great early goofy shit: Tremendous stuff, and then they got away with "Tommy " somehow- But some of Townshends best work comes in a "dark" period a while after that- "The Who by Numbers" doesnt sound like the Band, exactly, but they turned down all the overdrive on the guitar sound, (well maybe not on "Slip Kid) threw in accordions, pianos, synths, harmonicas, zithers and jews harps and so on. It's a really fine album as Who records go for me. Some of Townshend's best songwriting certainly up to that time, in terms of depth, resource, being open about himself and revealing something away from the fantasy, bombast, bravura, and lovely immaturity of the earliest work comes up at this time.

I always felt also, somehow, that he got alot more confident and assertive as a singer after "Tommy", perhaps inspired by the Band. Bob Dylan gave PT and many others in the 60's the license to sing, Hendrix perhaps created the absolute neccessity for Townshend to step up more as a singer to just keep up, And that Rick and perhaps Richard also inspired Pete to learn to sing sensitively, at times quite beautifully.

Before "The Who By Numbers" (to which I was referring) of course is Who's Next- This is the first Who record I can think of with any rural imagery or references to love of family on it .Though the references are more or less apocalyptic, the family and relationships in these songs are something the lead character has dedicated (and risked ) his life for. The family Townshend alludes to here is not a royal family, as in "Rael" from "Sell Out",or used as a study of dysfunction as in "Legal Matter" or in "I'm a Boy", (that theme to really come home on Quadrophenia). Well, I dont think "Quadrophenia" would have been possible for Townshend to compose without the Bands work beforehand.Townshend must have really loved those Band records (anyone that doesnt has a hole in the soul) and had him really look at what he was doing beyond the hype- of which he, Lambert and Stamp were masters, but that could only take them so far. In fact , around this time ('68-'70- ish)was the beginning of the Who's falling out from Kit Lambert and Chris Stamp, as they pursued more deeply their own vision, with which they certainly struggled.

The "Odds and Sods" collection has the most overt references to "Band" themes (the landscape, farming, good sex, roots and purpose, et al. )of all these records maybe.

After this time too the keyboards and synth became staples of the Who's writing and music. Did they ever record or tour as a quartet after 1970? I dont think so .

Best to Lil. Best to Butch and the band and all their dedicated travelling fans. Glad to see Crabby found some time for us, give my love to Brittney!

Posted on Mon Apr 9 19:20:19 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Someone asked whether the GB Rollie was the Rollie who used to play bass with the Traums. That "Rollie" was, I believe, Rolly Sally, who was also in Woodstock Mountain Review, and I last spotted playing bass with Chris Isaak. He is also the composer of the wonderful song "Killing the Blues" done by Chris Smither on "Happier Blue".

Posted on Mon Apr 9 19:14:51 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

What, me worry? Global warming? Hell, I'll have beachfront property! But seriously, it's really head-in-the-sand for US to back out of Kyoto because "it won't be good for the US economy". Oh, like Manhattan under water in 2050 will be! Just goes to show the heart-stopping global un-awareness of our new administration.

Not to belabor the political, but...

1)"We gagged and choked through your boy's administration, wanted to throw bricks through the TV every time we saw his sycophants and apologists, and lived to tell about it." Hey, Sherry! Now you know how some of us felt about Tricky Nixon, Altzheimer Reagan, Stumbles Ford, Whiney Bush I AND Smriking Bush II, on top of sleazier moments of Slick Willie! May I live long enough to see a really great President!

2) Playing music IS a political act!

3) To the person who's father's WWII sevice entitled him the definitive opinion on what is America: My Dad was with the Marines at Tarawa, one of the biggest bloodbaths of WWII for the US. He is a proud memeber of NOW, supporter of Women's rights and liberal causes, and still has a political cartoon of Newt Gingrich's "Contract ON America" hanging on his fridge. So go figure...

4) The problem with our current system is not a particular political party, wing, or faction. The problem is money. What we have is Government of the People, by the Money, for the Money. Join Common Cause and fight to reclaim our political system!

That aside, positive vibes to Diamond Lil. Hope you will come back someday.

Nice to hear positive about my man Nils Lofgren. Catch him solo if you can.

Peace!

Posted on Mon Apr 9 18:31:49 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Enough already with the political talk!! I read all these posts from Bill W, Sherry and others that have nothing to do with the Band. Why???

Diamond Lil: Take care and please come back soon.

It takes about six months to get from Japan, but the Happy and Artie Traum cd with the cover of Robbie and Rick's "Bessie Smith" on it is well worth the wait.

Posted on Mon Apr 9 18:27:28 CEST 2001 from du129-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.129)

Ilkka

Open letter to DIAMOND LIL
1.) I am (like the whole "Menopause GB Community") madly in love with you.
2.) We have seen the life so much that we know that the most sexiest part of a woman is the BRAINS and the HEART.
3.) We'll keep the candle burning bright!
(Web page is my visiting-card.)

Posted on Mon Apr 9 17:55:20 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-06.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.69)

Dave the Phone Guy

How 'bout them performance photos from California February 2001, eh?

Posted on Mon Apr 9 17:44:26 CEST 2001 from corr5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.25)

John Cass

Does the Barnburner, Gurus, and Crowmatix allow fans to tape there gigs, and if so do any of ya out there have any tapes I can get. I will trade tapes for tapes with anyone that wants to. I see the tape archives in this web site I would love to get a hold of some of those tapes.

Posted on Mon Apr 9 16:24:26 CEST 2001 from spider-tf052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.197)

butch

I have beencommunicating with diamond Lil the last few days, & she wanted me to tell ALL OF YOU THAT SENT HER KIND WISHES,,SHE APPRECIATES IT ALL,,,, & Thanks you,,,

& to those that have asked,,,, HER KIDS ARE FINE,,,thanks,,, so, there ya go,, a missive from Miss D,,,, proud to do it for ya, DL,,, bd

Posted on Mon Apr 9 14:57:00 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

WHAT's NEW=nice article on Rick Danko. Correct on Gurus' new Cd; new songs they've recently performed are SPECIAL!! ROAD TRIPS=5/4 & 5/5, if any GB Road Warriors are up to it?

Posted on Mon Apr 9 14:46:45 CEST 2001 from e1h2p51.scotland.net (148.176.234.52)

Mike Abbott

I'm old enough to know better but the Band were, like the Doors, Airplane, et al, a definition of what was good rock music in a time that seems so remote today. It's not nostalgia - it was superbly crafted music: well written and well played and the Band were the living embodiment of it.

Posted on Mon Apr 9 14:18:21 CEST 2001 from proxy3-external.union1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.87)

Brien Sz

I saw the Band, post TLW, play with Max Wienberg and Clarence C., SO Bruce and the E Street boys could be at this RE-Union as well as Bonnie Raitt. Since corporations own every arena/stadium how bout they have the show at Monsanto Field..,

Posted on Mon Apr 9 12:27:01 CEST 2001 from dialup-082.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.82)

HANK