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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

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Entered at Sun Jul 5 03:05:45 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, whilst i've not found any way to interpret your post to Norm and comment to me, i'm all for people overcoming anything.......


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:14:00 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Joshua Manuel Receiving Richard Manuel's NY Blues Hall Of Fame Award 5-31-15 BB Kings, NYC

Hey Norm! If you missed the special on Glenn Campbell it's airing again tonight at 6:00 Pacific time. It's true....because he has such great tone in his voice you forget what a great guitar player he is as well.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:04:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson: "Van Morrison's body of work is astounding; it speaks for itself. We don't need to name off these songs - we all know how it affects us. And in the tradition of the great Irish poets and the great soul singers, he is the Caruso of rock and roll, and I'll treasure his music and his friendship forever. So it is my honor to induct my man Van into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tonight. Thank you."

"It doesn't get any better than that, does it? Let me tell you what kind of a man we're dealing with here. I've known him since about 1969, after Astral Weeks and Music From Big Pink came out, and we both felt kind of a musical connection. And when I was working on the Band's second album, he dropped by to visit. I was playing around with a little guitar idea, and he asked me where I learned to play like that. And I said I didn't know, and he got up and left. Not too long after, he moved to Woodstock, New York, where we were living at the time, and one day he came over to my house, and I was in the middle of writing a new song. Well, he had some ideas, and before too long, we finished it up, and that night we went into the studio to record it. We played it down once so everybody could learn it, then we played it again, and put it down on tape, and he got up and left. But this was the night he became the Belfast Cowboy."

I was just reading past posts....Sarah from Robbie's land....I just take breaks; I'm never missing. One reason....I was totally engaged with the NBA. I saw every single playoff game. I have no idea how I'm going to watch these players from other teams who I cheered for as the Raptors were out really quick this year. The problem is we don't even have one superstar....Vince Carter from days gone by was the only one....and we lack real leaders on the Raptor team as well as lacking defence and......they peaked too early in the season and won mostly against teams in the east and not the west. Anyway, in the end I was cheering for Lebron's team as Canadian Tristan Thompson was on the team and Cavs did not have their two all-stars due to injuries so I had to cheer for the underdogs. If only JR Smith was more consistent with his three-throws and Kyrie and Love weren't injured then they could have won it all. See why I didn't have any energy to post here? ;-D

I'm so glad you're continuing to post Joan. You're a peaceful warrior. :-D

Peter V and Bill M....Hellooooo! You guys should know by now that I take breaks. Always glad to see both of you here.

joe j....Whatever happened to Rawlins Cross? Btw when I visited your province it was so cool. I walk into one store and they're playing Marley. Next store they're playing VU's reunion tour of 1993. We go to the car and.....just remember it was great.....lol....maybe Motown?

Lisa....Thank you so much for sharing about your experience with Robbie Robertson! I came sooooo close at our Canadian Music Week to ask a question but I didn't and I'm glad I didn't because at the time I was so entangled with the FFFF......Big mistake at the time.

Kevin J....I've always appreciated your energy here. Hope you had a great Canada Day too!


Entered at Sun Jul 5 00:08:44 CEST 2015 from (161.185.161.93)

Posted by:

Ray

THANKS, MIKEY!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 23:08:16 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Happy Independence Day to my friends south of the 49th . . . Ray, Lars and Butch, to be specific. Best of the Fourth to you. Careful with those fireworks.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 22:45:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Living In The USA

Happy 4th you all.

Link features Chuck & Linda.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:03:35 CEST 2015 from (194.168.195.98)

Posted by:

Peter V

Angie and Norm in one day! Things are looking up!

PSB, no idea where I got the Van / Robbie reference. That was written years ago without having seen your article.I assume one of the Van biographies … which were clearly wrong. So Van has a point.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:00:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Good to hear from Angie & Norm. Love to do Norm's boat tour. Not the tug is it? I escorted some elderly relatives on a local tour this week. Icebergs, whales and eagles but the best was the rolling of the sea. Lulls you into a special place. Had a bonfire on the beach afterwards. Scallops & mussels. Life is good.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:23:42 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Angie it's good to hear from you I hope all is well. Happy July 4 to everybody Tony too many hot dogs and enjoy


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:00:19 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Torn Out By The Roots

I agree about the sound of Cahoots; it has always sounded thin to me, at least on the original vinyl. Was disappointed at first, but the record has grown on me over the years. An advance in musical sophistication, a bit of a retreat lyrically. Love Richard's singing & Garth's wailing sax on "Last of the Blacksmiths", the dreamy vibe of "Thinking Out Loud" & the treat of having Van along for the ride on "4% Pantomime". Hell, I'll even cop to liking "The Moon Struck One"!

One of the lesser Band albums for me, but as others here have said, released today it would sound like fresh genius. Which only goes to reinforce the undiminished brilliance of "Big Pink" & "Brown".


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:59:20 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hey Pat B. You were right...I did quote Robbie awhile ago and wasn't leaving the site. You don't miss a thing. :-D
Happy Healthy Independence Day to you and all other Americans today.
Btw small world as I saw Cathy Richarson perform in NYC! She was channeling Janis in "Love Janis". She was absolutely fabulous!

I can't wait to see Van once again in September! This time I'm in the eighth row!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:21:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Last night I enjoyed an epic bout of Bob Dylan. Every year Fitzgeralds in Berwyn Illinois just outside Chicago hosts the American Music Festival--Joe Ely, Marcia Ball, Glen David Andrews, Bill Kirchen and Redd Volkaert, Dale Watson, Jimmy LaFave, you get the idea. My Dylan tribute band The Zimmermen with guest Cathy Richardson from Jefferson Starship played in the late afternoon, then two hours later I played keys with Tributosaurus in another Dylan tribute. We only repeated one song. In between sets as a great band called Dust Bowl Revival tore it up, who walks in but the absolute legend Sam Lay just off being inducted into the RnR HoF as a member of Butterfield's Band. So we get a picture--members of a Dylan tribute band surrounding the guy who played drums with Dylan at Newport in 1965.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 17:08:31 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Cahoots and Van meeting Robbie

Peter, where did you get the information that Van's first meeting with any members of The Band was in Los Angeles in 1970 where he met his neighbor Robbie Robertson? As the above link will show, at the very earliest they met on Halloween in 1969, two nights before their Ed Sullivan appearance. And while it's not in the blog, Robbie and Van most definitely met. Robbie said kill 'em Van as he was about to go onstage.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 15:12:14 CEST 2015 from (98.223.186.203)

Posted by:

Zavadka

Subject: Cahoots

I also was at Arie Crown in 1971; my 3rd live Band concert in IL. My first two were at MRF in Edwardsville. I was very moved by Cahoots, so much that I made a trip to Bearsville in November 71 thinking that I could talk to Robbie about diminutive chords, silly me :) But....I did get lucky. Ran into Robbie at a convenience store and he talked over an hour about the album, chord progressions, Allen Toussaint and the upcoming Rock of Ages gigs. Even got a few photos together with him.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 14:55:43 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Norm, the California raisins. Yes . . . it all makes sense now.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 13:40:01 CEST 2015 from (213.205.251.73)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great to see Norm back!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:54:02 CEST 2015 from (92.83.178.248)

Posted by:

eye

Web: My link

Many thanks! This is definitely an fantastic web site!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:30:22 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: PSB review of new Dylan book

I haven't read this new book on Dylan going electric at Newport yet. Looking forward to finding a copy. What is impressive right now is what a great read Peter Stone Brown's review is.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 11:29:25 CEST 2015 from (87.152.113.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Midlife Crises

Norm, I won’t give names, but midlife crise is a common thing here. I myself wanted to wet shave and walk the dog.

Anyway it will pass and no one will blame you (you’ve heard that Jeff….), just carry on.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 08:04:02 CEST 2015 from (87.144.175.214)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Norm, ok, we will discuss these plans later ;-).


Entered at Sat Jul 4 07:24:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I remember October 1980 and thinking "Just like Starting Over" just couldn't be John Lennon..........fast forward 35 years and "Meet The Raisons" - is it Norm ? Nahhh ! Really ? Gawd damn, everything changes, I guess !

Book a ticket on that Eco tourism ride, wherever you are .......should be fun.......if it gets late and the captain is still upright, do mention that Pierre Bouchard had the fight won before Stan changed hands.......


Entered at Sat Jul 4 03:42:42 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest (Port Alice BC)
Web: My link

Subject: Meet The Raisins

Having taken a long hiatus from the Guest Book, I was encouraged by many friends to stop by. Susan and I have moved back to our home in Port Alice on Northern Vancouver Island. We are about to try a (eco-tourism) plan to take people out on day trips in our big boat. about 10 hours a day through the summer and show about 6 or 8 at a time the inlets of Quatsino Sound and the history and sights of the area. There is always a lot of interest particularly from European folks who love to see this rugged coast. Hope all are well. I have put a link to a page here. In explaining, in our back yard we have a green house that has been taken over by the grape vine. Really quite beautiful with wonderful wine grapes. As we sat on our back deck this afternoon, Susan said, "What are you going to do with that? It's taken over the green house." I said, I'm just going to let it grow. It looks so nice I can't cut it down. I started singing I heard it through the grape vine. I said you know the California raisins have always been my favourite animation. I haven't had time to bother with this computer much lately. I came in and pulled up youtube. This is something I haven't seen before even tho' I have watched a lot of the raisins. If you have not seen this before, this is one of the best half hours you will ever spend. You have to pay attention as this is a history of r&r and pop music. The puns and jokes are great. You need to listen to identify the voices behind this. I just love it, hope you all will enjoy it. Have a good and safe summer. Our weather here......I'm considering going back to Mexico where it might be a little cooler :):):)


Entered at Sat Jul 4 00:36:27 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

The link is to an article on Ringo :-)


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:22:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On Street Legal, you were right and she was wrong! Love that album.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:12:40 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I think the timing of when someone comes to a work , be it an album or book can have a big influence on how it is judged…..I remember vividly as a teenager being at a party at my brother’s apartment and telling an older lady how excited I was by the Bob Dylan album “Street Legal” - pause: can anyone else remember the thrill of chatting up an “older lady” at a party…..hilarious to think about it now as that older lady would only have been mid to late 20’s at the time ! - anyhow, the lady scoffed at me and went on to explain that Bob Dylan was nowhere near as good as he had been, etc……….after Big Pink and The Band album, our boys were in a similar situation and had almost no room for any slack or any fun. Volcano is a fun, kind of silly song but so what, most of rock n roll is that………It is no coincidence that many solo albums of great artists lack the throwaway fun numbers that bands provide comfort to.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 19:19:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Article on Cahoots (Jawbone)

What I wrote in the linked article on this site:

I was worried when I bought it on the day it was released. Danger signal. The lyrics were printed on the inside sleeve. Robertson had said in all the Stage Fright interviews that the joy of rock lyrics was puzzling out the words, mishearing them, guessing. I spent days listening to this one again and again, waiting, hoping for it to touch me like the first three albums had. But no, only a couple of tracks would stick in my head. I couldn't remember the tunes of half of it. I had to admit that my favourite band had produced an album that was 50% turkey.

Anyway there's a lot more at the link. I can't remember writing most of it!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:52:58 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Volcano

LINKED: Volcano......I love it as well. The guitar and horns and Rick singing.

Todd: If the sound was good at the theatre, I am sure you had a great experience last night.....By UOCC, I am hooked every time....I've only seen it on a big screen twice.....1978 and some time in the 2000's. First time was especially stunning as I had never seen rock n roll in a theatre house before and I was still discovering things about The Band....still am actually, but it was such a mind blow to take it all in at the time.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:33:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When Cahoots came out, I listened to it constantly. I had a girlfriend who loved Volcano. The band I was in covered Carnival and Where Do We Go From Here. I saw them do the latter at Arie Crown Theater in 1971. I spent hours trying to figure out what Garth was doing on Moon. I covered WDWGFH with Tributosaurus because the great Robbie Fulks wanted to do it. Another band I was in covered Masterpiece. Richard sings Blacksmiths. 4% is a superb example of The Band playing together live. Oh yeah, Van and Richard sing together. Smoke Signal became a gigantic live showcase. River Hymn has some great singing, and Garth rips it up on gospel organ. Critics enjoyed disparaging it, but if a group released that album today, they would be hailed as geniuses. A great album cover and a revealing back album photo.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 17:33:15 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.24)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm a big fan of "Cahoots", though not of its brittle sound. It took a good while to find a way in, but once in I was hooked. As I've said here numerous times, my way in was Jack Bruce's "Songs for a Tailor".


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:44:18 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bi PolarBear2

Subject: OopsTim Sundog

Correct spelling: Tim Sundog Corcoran. Again, I can't judge cause I don't know. NRPS might, tho.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:36:14 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bipolar Bear2

Subject: Tim Sundog

Just google "Tim Sundog Cochran". What's right, what's not, I ain't the judgin kind.....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:55:27 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots (again)

Just wanted to say that if "Carnival" is the first beer in the sunny afternoon then "River Hymn" is the first beer in the following morning. Couldn't say it better.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:43:44 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots

I agree with Rod. The opening was a knock-out. The following songs are complex, especially lyrics for a non-native speaker like me, some in the B-side are really rock-bottom altough 'Shootout In China Town' could have been a foresight about this gb. The more or less unhappy ending (River hymn) is just sovereign to 100%. Usually Mr. Helm's singing - in opposite to the majority here and "there" - doesn't make my tears run in to my boots but this time it will. - Anyone remember the colourful gb regular from the early years Tim(Sundog) from Wisconsin/Vegas? He said that this LP (yes, LP!) should be played out LOUD!!!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 11:17:52 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Cahoots

I haven't listened to this one in it's entirety for a while but I think I will so again over the next few days. The last time I listened to it I remember thinking how complex some of the chord progressions were - almost like a nod back to the brown album. In fact I'd say it has the best two opening tracks on any Band album with exception of the Brown album. The album does fade away a bit after that almost song by song. Side two lets the whole thing down but all the songs on side one would hold there own on most Band albums. Still it's better than any of the 90's albums.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 10:04:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Prefabs and Hartford CT

When I was very young, I lived in a prefab in West London. The street was made up entirely of prefabs and I have a fairly clear memory of our prefab and the street. I have fond memories of both.

I also have good memories of some weeks spent in Hartford CT in the mid-1960s. I mention it because the Allyn Theatre there is where I saw "Help!" on the big screen, in a double bill with, rather bizarrely, a western called "Trigger On The Finger". Less mainstream films were shown at the Art Cinema (255 Franklin), above which was a place called The Image which occasionally had folk singers and the like.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 08:51:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I was in a Sears Roebuck's home … an early one too … in a winery in California. They had two different ones which were erected when it started. The link says they stopped in 1940, but I have an advert I'm using in a book for similar which is later … 1946 to 1947, maybe a different mail order company.

The UK equivalent were Prefabs, built after World War II to replace bombed out housing and to provide homes for returning soldiers. They had a "ten year life" but quite a few still stand and are "Grade II listed buildings" which means you can't demolish them or alter the exterior. See link for those interested in prefabricated building.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:50:22 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Plagiarism case

See the link....No comment. Just posting. But wasn't there another artist who had the same song allegedly plagiarized by Zep- or was that a different song? The guy was a folk singer....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:18:03 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Pete, after careful consideration I've determined that whether or not the Mounties hat would touch the interior ceiling or roof in an igloo depends on the height of the mountie & whether it was a Sears & Roebuck Igloo or some other builders...... There really were Sears & Roebuck homes in the U. S.... i encountered some in the City of St Louis.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 01:19:37 CEST 2015 from (174.236.36.135)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: TLW

Sitting in a movie theater in Hartford CT waiting for a screening of The Last Waltz to start in approx 10 minutes. Will be my second time ever seeing it on the big screen.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 23:57:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

OK, do Mounties remove their hats on entering igloos? I would have thought that the high crown would touch the roof and then like touching a canvas tent, start a drip.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 21:37:24 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, I've been posting on thus guestbook for a number of years and have been pretty consistent in my views. I don't recall posting anything about 'Islands'. I didn't realize that there was a litmus test to being a Band fan and that one had to praise 'Northern Lights/Southern Cross' and 'Cahoots' to be a part of the club. Sorry.

I absolutely feel that 'Cahoots' is the weakest Band album. The 3 90's albums are far superior, in my opinion. Of the 90's albums, I think that 'Jubilation' is the best, followed closely by 'Jericho' and 'High on the Hog'.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:25:35 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Cahoots is the weakest Band album? What a ridiculous statement--but to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:09:05 CEST 2015 from (107.77.76.126)

Posted by:

Bob F

Ben, sorry for the snarky comment(great word by the way). It's just that's couple of months ago obviously a different Ben from the great state of New Jersey was on here bashing Northern Lights and Islands.After a while it's like saying you love pizza but not the cheese and sause.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 19:11:32 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

1,00 Points for the leaky igloo roof Jerry! Ballbusters Anonymous would take you right out of the probation period for that one... Pete, 1,000 points for you as well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:13:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SANTA FE

The third Van / Jackie collaboration … am I right … it sounds very much like Van Morrison's band to me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:11:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: FLAMINGOS FLY

And Jackie DeShannon on her co-write with Van Morrison, Van is on the chorus backing.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:09:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SWEET SIXTEEN

Sorry, previous link was wrong and you must have been puzzled to get to Educating Rita. I was linking bits of my site and had that link copied and I pasted it in error. This link really IS Van and Jackie DeShannon on top form.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:04:50 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I mainly agree with you on Cahoots, Ben. But for me, When I Paint My Masterpiece and Life Is A Carnival are both first rate, and I enjoy Shoot Out in Chinatown, and, well, 4% Pantomime lacks in melody or great arrangement, but it is fun.

Remember those sayings. People who live in glass houses shouldn't. Not in daylight anyway.

People who live in ice houses shouldn't get undressed either.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:48:39 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Peter V told a joke on Canadians. To keep the balance I feel free to tell how our "Britishness" saved us from paying a fee.

We drove a buss from Pavia to Milan (Italy). We should have bought a ticket BEFORE entering the buss, not IN THE BUSS like we were used to. Honestly, we didn't know. - Unfortunately, this was the day when Il Signore Controllatore came to this very buss from Pavia to Milan. I said to him something like "due billetti a Milano, prego" and gave him a couple of millions Lire because I believed it is the time to pay now. He was like a thunder storm! FURIOSO! An educated man in front of us saved us by knocking his forehead and saying "Anglese -ha-ha-ha-ha". Everybody in the buss laughed. We laughed, too, hysterically... Il Signore Controllatore was satisfied and took a couple of millions of Lire and went away.

It is good to be British! Especially if you are not.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:46:55 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I really have a dislike for the sound and production of 'Cahoots', along with the mostly mediocre songs. I just don't care for the arrangement of 'Masterpiece'. To my ears, Dylan's more stripped down version is much preferable. Again, to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:39:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: WIPMM

When I Paint My Masterpiece: Both are great versions. A wonderful song realized effectively and differently by The Band.

What I would like to know are the details of why one would NOT like this version as it stands on its own. That would give me some insight into what makes the writer feel negatively. For me, the vocals are top notch and the playing is classic Band. So please explain.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:31:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I know you mistyped and meant When I Paint My Masterpiece. I'm surprised at preference for the Dylan version which I thought definitely inferior to The Band … it's a great Levon lead vocal.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:27:12 CEST 2015 from (197.5.129.6)

Posted by:

JuleH

Web: My link

I got the interest in the band after reading levons book(this wheels on fire) and kind of redisgovered the music and i found out how great it is.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:24:49 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, to each his own. I think 4% pantomime is somewhat amusing, sure. But, I don't think it holds up to repeated listening or consider it much more than than a drunken novelty, it's certainly not a serious part of either Van or The Band's cannon. It would have been wonderful for Van and Richard to cover some Ray Charles tunes.

In my opinion, Cahoots is a disaster. The only first rate song is 'Life is a Carnival'. I don't really care for the version of 'Life is a carnival'. I much prefer Dylan's version from his Greatest Hits, Volume 2. The other songs that you mentioned are extremely mediocre. Nothing special. This album was a massive step down after 'Stage Fright'.

Regarding your snarky comment, I certainly hold the Band's catalog from Music Big Pink through Jubilation in very high regard. But, I feel that 'Cahoots' is by a wide margin the weakest Band album.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:12:52 CEST 2015 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Consistency over a long stretch

Speaking of maintaining consistency over a long career, just finished first listen to the recent Willie Nelson album Band of Brothers, his first (mostly) original collection in some time. Top notch. Good songs, production, and Trigger is in fine form. Long time no lurk. Hope all are well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:49:36 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Cahoots

Ben, how can you be a Van/Band fan and not love 4% Pantomime? Smoke Signal, Thinking Out Loud, Volcano, Where Do We Go From Here are wonderful. When I Paint My Masterpiece is well, a masterpiece. I'm curious are there any original Band records you do like?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:18:07 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: national anthem (alternate)

Y'all gave me this earworm, now you have to take it . . . .


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The roof leaks on the igloo

Yup: I'll have to go to the freezer to get one of those blocks of ice/snow out to fix the leaky roof.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:31:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If you go back to Them in the 60s, I'd put Van's remarkable run at 50 years.

HARD NOSE suffers from awful sleeve design, but you could line up a dozen versions of Wild Mountain Thyme / Purple Heather / Will Ye Go Lassie Go and I doubt many would choose Van on Hard Nose. To a degree it's an album "critics loved to hate" - other prime examples were Self Portrait and Lou Reed's Berlin. Self-Portrait has at last revealed its true worth and finally got appreciation, and suddenly all the critics have found they liked Berlin all along. Maybe it's time to reassess HARD NOSE.

It was one of the chapters in an uncompleted project of mine on the albums that critics lambasted on release. The title track is pretty good too.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:13:54 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I agree with Van's consistency. If you go back to the beginning of his career with Them in the mid 60's, he had a nearly 20 year run of remarkable music.

I disagree with you on Hard Nose the Highway. I think that it's far stronger than Cahoots. I don't consider it one of Van's major works like Astral Weeks, St. Dominic's Preview or Veedon Fleece, but I find it to be an enjoyable listen. I don't find Cahoots very enjoyable. Besides "Life is a Carnival', Cahoots is a disaster in my opinion.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jerry, you have to take Jeff seriously on Canadian weather. I mean, if it's not cold, how you come you all live in igloos?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 11:10:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I'd place Van Morrison as the most consistent of the prolific artists, and I see no quality drop in the "trilogy" of Into The Music, Beautiful Vision, Inarticulate Speech of The Heart … and when "Wavelength" magazine did a poll, Beautiful Vision edged Astral Weeks out of first place.

BUT everyone has their "Cahoots" and I would say Van Morrison's "Hard Nose The Highway" is that imperfect thread in the Persian carpet, though even then it has the incredible "Warm Love" on it. But Side Two with Green, Autumn Song and Purple Heather was not great.

Oddly enough, at the same time in 1973, he was cutting those four great tracks with Jackie DeShannon, Sweet Sixteen, Santa Fe, Flamingoes Fly and The Wonder of You. Sweet Sixteen, had he used it would have been the best track on the album. It's a duet, Jackie and Van, and is linked above. It was a single.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 09:46:29 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mick Taylor

I saw John Mayall's Bluesbreakers WITH Mick Taylor and WITHOUT Mick Taylor soon after he left the band. Chris Dreja (Yardbirds) jumped in to the stage in last minute, hide himself behind an amplifier and turned his back to the audience. John Mayall "found" him there and forced him to the stage. He played well. I didn't mind.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:21:20 CEST 2015 from (184.100.97.1)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Postwar radio

PV, thanks for your suggestions. I am not familiar with your sources but will try to check them out. As for search engines, so much information about FCC regs is available that it is hard to sort through it, but I am still trying.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:10:21 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: sleep deprived and Van

JT, sometimes i swear this computer which I got late last year types whatever the hell it wants to.

Ben, I agree with you on Van. Inarticulate Speech was the first Van album not to do it for me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:06:26 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Woodstock 67

Ian, yes that is Tiny Tim peering through the door.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 04:26:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry- Don't your ribs hurt ? What kind of a dockter are you? I'm just busting chops.

If you want lessons, ballbusters anonymous has daily meetings. The idea is elevation, not cessation.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 03:45:54 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Climate

OK Jeff: You got me. I laid it out on your table and you got me. I guess my poor understanding of your variable northeastern USA climate is equal to yours of Canada. smiley face....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:20:22 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

JT, there's an enormous difference in weather and climate between NYC & Boston......... Most of Pennsylvania has far worse weather than we in NYC.

Buffalo, hell,. it's barely in the U. S. Weatherwise, those folk may as well be in Siberia. Or Minnesota....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:03:18 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Canada Climate

Some useful information since its Canada day: It is not alway cold in Canada until you go far north. We have a vast country but the vast majority of our 30 million + population lives in relatively temperate climates (similar to Buffalo and NYC and Boston). Toronto does get cold spells but it is not a severe - 30C most of the winter. Edmonton can get like that and at times is intolerable. Here in Victoria in 12 years I have seen snow only 3 times and only once was it significant. The cherry blossoms appear late in January or early in February and its golden from there on. It is hot now but this is a little unusual, since it is usually only 75-80 F (American degrees) in the summer. The nights in Victoria can go down to near freezing but it is not common to get really really cold. I think we get our reputation from the vast lands that are to some degree minimally inhabited. Yes I've been to Timmins and Sudbury in Ontario in the winter, and it does get pretty cold and snowy. Those are 2 cities in Ontario with some population. So, Canada is cold if you look at the entire country but where most live, it is very much like living in the northern USA. Of course, it can get cold in Montreal and the maritimes with some severe cold weather, but southern Ontario is much like the NYC/Boston/Philly megalopolis in climate much of the time.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:05:23 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk- I sympathize........you guys must be so foroughly frozen you lost all feeling and can't tell no more.....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:01:55 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, I know this. And Ian was essentially on his deathbed when he reminded Keith- don't forget, Johnnie Johnson is alive, & living in St Louis. A few months later, Taylor Hackford asks Keith to be M.D. of the Hail Hail Rock & Roll concert / film....Keith says I have a condition, JJ has to be involved......this led to Johnnie having a substantial solo career...


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:34:40 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

The Stones had a great run from 1968-78. Most of those albums are classic. I think that Goat's head soup and It's only rock and roll are the two weakest albums in that series.

I would argue that The Who and Van Morrison at lest equalled, if not surpassed The Stones in roughly the same period. The Who from The Who Sell Out in 1967 through Who Are You in 1978 released a classic body of work. Pete Townshend also released two fine albums in this period, Who Came first and Rough Mix (with Ronnie Lane).

Van's body of work from Astral Weeks in 1968 through Wavelength in 1978 is also essential. The next few albums he released, Into the music and Common One are also excellent. I don't think he released a spotty album until Inarticulate Speech of the heart in 1983.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:23:59 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff

Jeff. Fer fuck's sake! Most of Canada has the same temperature as the States. If not hotter sometimes. You sound like Diamond Helm.LOL


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:01:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, in Keith's book, he says he and Ian Stewart (who he considered the leader as he ran the auditions for The Stones) bonded by chatting about Johnnie Johnson rather than Chuck Berry.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 23:35:18 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.119)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Good-to-Bad Ratio

I wonder what The Band's good to bad Song Ratio is compared to bands as e.g. The Stones.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 23:24:01 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.119)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Winterland & The Wrecking Ball

That Winterland venue and Bill Graham must have been something special, check the link (Dicky Betts is fav. too I read). Anayway people still listen to pieces of Winterland concrete ;-).

“It was the best venue "acoustics/sound wise" in the entire Bay Area! The magic and vibe inside was something no other place could match.”

“My first concert at Winterland was a month after I got out of the Air Force. It was March 1969, the show was AUM, Savoy Brown and Janis. Unbelievable show... I saw so many great shows, Robin Trower in 1971, Zappa, Lynyrd Skynyrd opening for Marshall Tucker and blowing the roof off... Very early Jefferson Starship, Lou Reed, The Beach Boys (went to mock them and, again, blown away), Toots & The Maytals opening for Santana, and dozens that I can't remember... The vibe was always mellow. Thank You!!”

“In my garage is a chunk of concrete, taken from the rubble of Winterland when they tore it down. My good friend Ron and I made the pilgramage to say goodbye one more time. Now and then I hold it up to my ear like a seashell, listening for long-lost echoes of so many incredible shows. And yeah, sometimes I hear a few tunes...”

“I also went and saw Winterland being torn down with a crane and wrecking ball in '85. I have a piece of Winterland concrete in my dresser drawer”


Entered at Wed Jul 1 20:43:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I thought it was common for Keith to be many, many hours late for Stones sessions which then went on very late and that it was quite often that Keith or Ronnie did the bass part, because Bill had gone home.

Mind you, in the Charlie Watts edition of “Mojo” there is a Bill interview where he says Keith’s autobiography is “nearly half true” or something like that.

I loved Carmen’s list. Bought each one on release too.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 20:06:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock 1967 ?

Is that Tiny Tim peering through the window in the door? https://www.flickr.com/photos/hollowhorn/18749636386/sizes/o/


Entered at Wed Jul 1 19:23:35 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry- good for you. Appreciation is a big aspect of menschkeit. In any language or in any intelligent culture or being. Canada might be cold much of the year, but you have freedom....... And the U.S. for the best neighbor possible. ..


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:57:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Comet

Those were the near worst of times for this musician. He was a comet! The earlier films are worth watching to see the rising Rolling Stones.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:43:27 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Watch the whole thing.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:21:46 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: K Richards as a bassist?

Peter V - Although I haven't heard it in ages, I always loved the bass in Sympathy FTD; one of the best aspects of that song. And I think it was more out front in the mix than normal too.

Does it make sense it was Keith? Maybe KR playing a Bill W arrangement?


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:02:41 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Not so smart machine

See what I mean: 'form' for 'from'. Geez.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:01:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Extraction for the sleep-deprived

Peter Stone Brown: 'Extracted' is what we have the privilege to do when we are fortunate enough to take your words from your excellent articles and reviews in order to make a point. I hope you weren't extracted (it would imply a removal form society... distracted more likely). That spell/correct function in the system is often a killer for all of us.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:47:53 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: whoops

I was a bit extracted and going on not much sleep yesterday. I meant it was all down hill after Some Girls which I loved, still love and considered a return to form in every way. After that, there was the occasional good song or single.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:44:26 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Kiss the ground'

Thanks, Jeff. I want you to know that I wake up in the morning and figuratively 'kiss the ground' for the land in which I live.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:43:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Happy Canada Day to all you Happy Canadians!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:05:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones list

Carmen: Hits you right in the gut with excellence! Can any artist put up a 10-list like that? I look at all my favourites. In a word, no. (Here come the lists...)


Entered at Wed Jul 1 16:12:35 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Stones

This might be the 10 best years of Rock and Roll

1968 Beggars Banquet Released: 6 December 1968

1969 Let It Bleed Released: 5 December 1969

1971 Sticky Fingers Released: 23 April 1971

1972 Exile on Main St. Released: 12 May 1972

1973 Goats Head Soup Released: 31 August 1973

1974 It's Only Rock 'n Roll Released: 18 October 1974

1976 Black and Blue Released: 23 April 1976

1978 Some Girls Released: 9 June 1978


Entered at Wed Jul 1 16:08:19 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: CD Day

Thanks, Kevin. Back at you, and to all celebrants in the Land of the Beaver. Also, best wishes to my pal Ray in N.J. Go Chris! And Butch and Lars, and to all ships at sea, espy Norm's.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 14:19:44 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Band recollections & others

While we are remembering how we felt when we heard: The songs of The Great White Wonder (sold OVER the counter at Sam's in the late 60s for a short time) knocked me out completely. It was the vocals that were overcoming and let me know that these songs were something different and the fusion of Dylan and The Band was something otherworldly. And when I heard the first Led Zeppelin album, I was energized and though it couldn't get better than this. Finally, when I saw Blind Faith that summer and heard 'God' play, I saw first hand that a music form that so many said was just a fad that would pass had deep roots and would accompany me as a close friend through my life. That was all before 1970. I was right.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 08:39:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Corrected link

My link to "I'll Tell Everything I Know" went to a sample story. The above should go to the right place.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 08:34:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

RJ, I have a vague memory of reading this too. Haven’t found the right reference yet, but Simon Naapier-Bell’s “Ta-RaRa-Boom-De-Ay” has something on the radio station “wars” of 1939 to 1941, initiated when radio stations declined to renew their ASCAP licences and switched to BMI. That rumbles on and re-emerges in the mid 50s with rock ‘n’ roll. Might be a line of enquiry.

Ben Fong-Torres “The Hits Just Kept On Coming: A History of Top 40 Radio” should have it early on, but all I found at speed was stuff in chapter 1. The advent of TV from 1948, shifted advertising away from the big radio networks dramatically, but fuelled small local radio stations who increased local advertising revenue in the late 1940s.

Looking at the “soul” histories, there’s stuff on WLAC out of Memphis changing stuff by being the first high powered station playing black music, which until then was smaller and local.

I’ll keep looking but these might help Google searches.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 07:48:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Repeating’s alright, Jerry. There’s a different general UK reaction, because The Beatles were popular for a full year before the Stones arrived. Late 1962, their first TV appearance was Love Me Do and everyone I knew was hooked from there on. The first album, Please Please Me, here, was perfection from I Saw Her Standing There to Twist & Shout.

For me and most of my friends, we switched to The Stones during Hard Day’s Night / Help / Beatles For Sale then came back to The Beatles at Rubber Soul. Far more girls stayed with The Beatles, and the guys with the Stones … a noticeable divide at teen parties.

In our “Front Room band” days (garages were not used for teen band practice here), I reckon we fumbled our way through virtually every song on the first two Stones LPs and the first two EPs – it was 5x5 here and an EP, not an LP. The first three Stones EPs all charted too in the singles charts.

The Stones led us to the Chess catalogue (Pye International here) and I believe The Blues Volume 1 was the most influential compilation record ever.

When I look back to how enthusiastically teenage bands adopted The Stones material, I also recall that as a spotty bass player (i.e. covered in zits), it was one hell of a lot easier to play the R&B stuff than it was to puzzle out a Paul McCartney bass line. Let’s say that once you can play bass on three Stones covers: Bye Bye Johnny, Mona, and Can I Get A Witness, a pretty large repertoire is open to you without a lot of effort.

A lot of this stuff about first bands is my “Dart Travis” collection of short stories on 1964-1965 (see link) “I’ll Tell Everything I Know” – it’s now a Print on Demand as well as an ebook. The Print on Demand is worth it just for the back cover photo with a Hofner President bass!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 06:42:21 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.85)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Seven Cities of Cibola

Welcome to the club, Jeff. Canadian, Texas ! Love it. . Cheers and Happy Canada Day to you, Mike Nomad, Bill M, JT, Bonk, Norm, sadavid, Landmark, John D, Joe j, brown eyed girl, Robbie, Garth and anyone else being clipped for $110 in the HOV lanes while these Pan Am thingamagigys are going on.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 06:23:06 CEST 2015 from (75.168.157.136)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Postwar radio

I know that contributors to this guestbook have a great store of knowledge of American vernacular music, and I write in the hopes that some one of you may be able to help me with this inquiry. I have a fuzzy recollection of reading about a change in the regulations of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) not long after the end of the Second World War, by which many more local, low-power radio stations were allowed to operate than before. Many of these small stations were located in the southern U.S. and played a part in the popularizing rock and roll records. I am unable to remember the source of this information. Does anyone know more about this, or can anyone point me to a source of more information about it?


Entered at Wed Jul 1 04:45:15 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Now now , Kevin.......... or maybe...... Canadian, Texas.... See the link..Are you one of these Canadians? That would certainly be cause for for all sorts of .....................


Entered at Wed Jul 1 03:07:18 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"No, not to live.—O nation miserable, With an untitled tyrant bloody-sceptered, When shalt thou see thy wholesome days again, Since that the truest issue of thy throne By his own interdiction stands accursed, And does blaspheme his breed?—Thy royal father was a most sainted king. The queen that bore thee, Oftener upon her knees than on her feet, Died every day she lived. Fare thee well! These evils thou repeat’st upon thyself Have banished me from Scotland.—O my breast, Thy hope ends here!"

........or as DVD BOX once said to LED LIGHT "in other words, that Jeff really is a bleeping idiot.......loved his song though"


Entered at Wed Jul 1 02:43:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Where did i hear that before

Jerry, you've repeated yourself far fewer times than either myself, Peter, Pat, & others here do on a regular basis. Kevin repeats himself and even then he's still the only person who has an inkling what the fuck he meant. By the third or fourth time, even he doesn't have an idea....


Entered at Wed Jul 1 01:07:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Beatles vs Rolling Stones

I may have said this before. If so, sorry for repeating. In 1963-64, I was 15-16 and I loved the Rolling Stones from the moment i heard the first album. I was not enamoured by Beatles or their ilk. Stones were different. Stones were what got me to blues. I knew R&B from Big G Walters and CKEY etc, but did not know blues. I knew Chuck Berry. I had no idea about Howling Wolf, Wille Dixon, John Lee Hooker, or any of the others. When I heard the Stones, I looked at authorship of songs and who played them in the past, and that is how I got to blues. Rolling Stones get all the credit. December's Children is not highly regarded and did not sell as well as the others, but there is stuff on it which I love (Especially 'Talking (A)bout You', which is an ear worm for me. When Beggar's Banquet arrived, I was blown away.

It was not until Rubber Soul that I started to see some merit in Beatles, though no purchases were made. My appreciation of Beatles came near the end. In retrospect, I cannot applaud my ignorance of the simple excellence of Beatles, but truth is what we need here and so this is my truth. Did my ears change. No. It was probably some macho stupidity that had little to do with music and happened at a time when simple pop was not something a young man would want to admit to liking. And so the Beatles were not appreciated by your (not so) humble listener in those early wonderful years. But, I did always appreciate their 'Roll Over Beethoven' and a few other songs ('Matchbox" )and some of the others derived from the rock and rockabilly genres. I gave those (grudging) acceptance.

Can anyone else relate to what I am talking about here? Do we have any other truth sayers or were the Beatles alway admired by all here from 1963 on? This should be interesting (maybe).


Entered at Wed Jul 1 01:07:07 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Exile is a great record. The rockers like Rip It Up, Happy and Rocks Off. The beautiful soulful slower tempo songs like Let it Loose and Loving Cup. The perfect single Tumbling Dice. The blues songs, the great country classic Sweet Virgina. Some of Mick's greatest singing on Shine a Light. The beautiful gospel thing I Just Want to See His Face. So much more like Sweet Black Angel and Torn and Frayed. What's not to love?


Entered at Tue Jun 30 23:25:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beggars banquet

Keith is credited for bass guitar on both Street Fighting Man and Sympathy for the Devil.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 22:41:48 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: "Mick Taylor never seemed like a stone to me"

But he sure sounded like a Stone.I could care less how a musician looks or style wise fits with a band-all that matters to me is the music.And Mick was a great fit and a superb player.BTW,i loved Exile,early,middle and late Stones.Glad they're still around.Did they really change most after Bill Wyman left?


Entered at Tue Jun 30 21:59:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I never did the Rolling Stones' Toppermost … but would probably have chosen the very first album too. And #2 too.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 21:53:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rolling Stoned

As albums, rather than tracks, my three favouries are Beggar’s Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers. I’m definitely not an Exiles fan. But I am a Black ‘n; Blue, Goats Head Soup, Tattoo You and Some Girls fan.

On Beggars Banquet, this is what producer Jimmy Miller said:

Miller said that Jones would "show up occasionally when he was in the mood to play, and he could never really be relied on:

QUOTE: When he would show up at a session—let's say he had just bought a sitar that day, he'd feel like playing it, so he'd look in his calendar to see if the Stones were in. Now he may have missed the previous four sessions. We'd be doing let's say, a blues thing. He'd walk in with a sitar, which was totally irrelevant to what we were doing, and want to play it. I used to try to accommodate him. I would isolate him, put him in a booth and not record him onto any track that we really needed. And the others, particularly Mick and Keith, would often say to me, 'Just tell him to piss off and get the hell out of here' UNQUOTE

Jones played sitar and tanbur on "Street Fighting Man, slide guitar on "No Expectations", harmonica on "Parachute Woman", "Dear Doctor" and "Prodigal Son” and Mellotron on "Jig-Saw Puzzle" and "Stray Cat Blues. Jones is sometimes mistakenly credited for playing the slide guitar on "Jig-Saw Puzzle"; both guitars are played by Keith Richards


Entered at Tue Jun 30 18:35:08 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Drummers

This may have been discussed when the film came out (2012), but if you haven't seen "Beware of Mr. Baker", the documentary by Jay Bulger about Ginger Baker is it well worth a watch. Riveting, remorseless, alarming - you won't be bored!


Entered at Tue Jun 30 16:54:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Opinions, opinions, opinions....the downslope

There are as many opinions as there are Rolling Stones... and more. Everyone has their favourite Stones period. But whatever one likes, I can say without any doubt that the 'downslope' was very slow and that there was no sudden slide but a gradual and a gentle reduction. For me, I loved the early material (many of the 'blues' especially) and love Begger's Banquet, but all the albums until the 80s had tremendous merit and again, I have a lot of trouble comparing. To say there is a downslope suggests a severe loss of quality... for the 60's to the early 80's, IMO, that was NOT the case. PSB: I do love the albums you note, but I also admire much of what is on Exile and Kevin, yes, those are great albums (a 'progression' fitting of the times they were created in and befitting of that time). The beauty of those songs is that they withstand the test of time. By the way, I love 'Doom and Gloom' so there... I've said it.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 16:28:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

My oh my, what a hill it must have been if "Some Girls" can be placed by anyone on the downslope.........I'd agree that it was mostly downhill after Sticky Fingers but the two Stones albums I still play are Black & Blue and Some Girls.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 16:11:26 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Brian Jones

Yes really, and I don't consider the albums after they sacked him their best albums and I have a lot of friends who worship "Exile." Their best 3 albums as far as I'm concerned are Aftermath, Between The Buttons and Beggar's Banquet. Mick Taylor never seemed like a Stone to me. Ron Wood on the other hand did, but it was all downhill after Sticky Fingers.

The later versions of The Band were a different story. My reaction to the Band/Cate Brothers experiment was "It was nice to see them."


Entered at Tue Jun 30 16:06:46 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jed.......Funny one ! That story stayed with me as well. If I remember it correctly, the lead singer was running around somewhere in a raised voice asking about "my drummer"......the drummer had been lying down but got himself up, dressed fully, nice shirt and jacket and all......found the singer.....slugged him......and went back to bed. Point made.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 15:35:10 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Almost Independence Day

One of Van Morrison's greatest songs. His music is aging beautifully.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 15:23:39 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Mick's Drummer

In the spirit of it being Mick & The Stones,Mick once referred to Charlie as "my drummer".Charlie knocked him out.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 10:40:57 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Stones

To me, the real question in terms of the formation of The Stones is not whether Jones was or was not the "soul" of the band. The key factor is whether that combination of individuals would actually have come together as a group at all without Jones.

I'm no expert on this but, as I recall it, that would not have happened without him. It was his drive/dream (whichever) to form an r'n'b band that kicked them off. It was Jones who advertised in the music press looking for others to join the r'n'b band he was forming. I can't remember if Jagger joined at this precise time but the vocalist, being the front man, was seen as the leader, so the band was sometimes described as Mick Jagger and his Rolling Stones - or something like that.



Entered at Tue Jun 30 09:22:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I prefer the 90s Band (especially 93/94) to the 83 Cates version … by a long way. Atlantic City and Blind Willie McTell alone would justify the reunion, even if it was years later I realized The Hooters input on the first. Basically, if you have the original singers and great new musicians, you can cut it live. What was missing was not Robbie as a guitar player (Jim could play the lines), but the absence of Robbie (and Richard) as writers, and also, a certain drive and determination. Maybe it’s ambition? If Robbie had been around, I can’t see Same Thing and Stuff You Gotta Watch and Caldonia surviving to the second gig. There was a lazy groove that I can’t see him countenancing, and I suspect they would have had a higher profile … not because he was writing and playing, but because he was pushing for better things, and fronting interviews … as he always had. But I enjoyed the 90s Band on record and live. I think they were perfectly justified in the voice of Grace Slick and words of David Crosby, “Why can’t we go on as three?’ (There’s a twisted reference if ever there was one).


Entered at Tue Jun 30 08:36:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Charlie’s not the plainest but gets the acclaim as the sanest. I reckon everyone knows that pounding out Satisfaction is not his dream role, and are delighted and grateful that he continues to do so.

FROM MOJO:

CHARLIE: We'd never had a virtuoso like (Mick Taylor) in the band. It wasn't his influence because he's not like that. It ws his presence. He'd play so well that you'd just go on … There was this period where the player was as big as the song. The Cream did that. And Zeppelin. Zep were the ones that ruined it! (Bands going on for 20 minutes, doing a few songs and running off). They’d play for four hours! Well that’s all right if you’ve got John Bonham and particularly Jimmy Page ‘cos he could play forver and you wouldn’t get bored. And obviously Jimi Hendrix. He had that type of band. Cream were the same. I mean, three minutes of Ginger Baker’s not long enough, especially if you see him doing it. That was very much the era of the virtuoso. I mean, me and Ringo come from the school where whatever the singer sang, you played with him. UNQUOTE

You could add Levon to “me and Ringo” there. Later Charlie says “Ginger is the best drummer to come up through that era.”

He probably never saw Ginger Baker’s Airforce, I’d add curmudgeonly. Because they were fucking awful.

Yes, three of my favourite Stones songs … Under My Thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Play With Fire … would have a Brian influence. But I’d say, reading several bios of the Stones that Keef “rescued” Anita rather than stole her.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 08:06:15 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: For the record......

......re: the previous post, I was actually ok with the 83 reunion. Took a while to come to grips with it....but I understood it. After Richard died, I thought carrying on was a big mistake.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 07:40:09 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: When bands are no longer bands....

.......for all their grandiosity and calculated decadence, Led Zeppelin did get it absolutely right at the end by knowing to end it all when John Bonham died......They very well could have carried on and made multi-millions but instead chose a path that really honoured what the band was. A band. I'm still sorry The Band carried on as The Band without its lead singer, lead guitar player and its songwriters........Rick Danko's solo shows rank as some of the most cherished live music experiences in my life and his DFA albums were great....Levon caught all kinds of wind with the Rambles and his Dirt Farmer albums............Looking back, they probably would have been better off not trying to re-start The Band.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 06:28:06 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.165)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Plain?

Charlie Watts ain't a plain drummer. If the music fans are cheering based on their ears, they are cheering for him because he is one helluva and an exciting powerhouse of a drummer.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 06:04:12 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Class

That's because the plainest girl had the most class in the class. But you have to have something special that shines brightly to stand out when you are plain.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 05:24:24 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.28)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: I like Rod's line about not wanting to be upstaged by the bass-player of all people.

While Charlie Watts is my favourite Stone too, I have to see the CHeer-for-Charlie tradition as akin to grade 3, when the plainest girl in class received way more Valentines Day cards than anyone else.

Bonk: Spoke to Denny N yesterday - first time since the fall, I guess. He mentioned John Till having turned up at one of Zarathustra's practices, but couldn't recall why. Likely very early '70s. Any suggestions?


Entered at Tue Jun 30 04:56:59 CEST 2015 from (32.216.237.182)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Have you seen your brother, baby, standing in the shadow?

The Stones never would have been positioned for 1969 - 1971 to happen without 1962 - 1969 (the Jones years) happening first.

As much as I love the 69-72 era and have a particular fondness for 'Exile on Main Street' (the album with no songs on it), I can't imagine being without the really classic Stones years with songs like 'Under My Thumb' and 'Ruby Tuesday'. There was a particular tapestry that was woven during those days where they rose to greatness, and Jones was an integral part of that.

'Under My Thumb' is particularly tasty. All 5/6 members shine. Watts driving from the drum seat, and Wyman providing his wobble...Jagger's signature snarl/growl and Keith's electric crunch along with some classic Ian Stewart piano. All wonderful stuff. But what makes the song even more interesting and moves it from merely good to great, is the acoustic guitar rhythm provided by Jones, along with his marimba flowing throughout the song. Just one example of what Jones contributed musically to make the Stones sound different from any other Drums-bass-guitar rock band.

Yes, Jones had some substance abuse issues,and really started to go off the rails after Richards siphoned off his girlfriend Anita, while Jones was in the hospital on that trip to Morocco. But hey...it was the 1960's free love etc....
But it turns out that even free love has a price....


Entered at Tue Jun 30 04:31:05 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Watts

No question about Charlie Watts: Superb!!!


Entered at Tue Jun 30 04:34:44 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.165)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk- no doubt. No Watts, no Stones. No Levon, no Band. Can subs be found, after the fact, to fill the seat, do possibly admirable jobs, make valiant efforts. Yes. Like in the cases of The Who, Led Zep, MacCartney touring. But building the house.... things may never have gone the same way. It's like expecting one man's sperm to yield the same child as another's, if donated to the same female ......


Entered at Tue Jun 30 04:05:41 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff

Charlie Watts is THE man for the Stones. They wouldn't sound the same without him. I've been in drum clinics with some pretty bad ass drummers and the head guy will say 'play like Charlie Watts' and these bad ass guys will fuck it up every time. And it's just two missing notes to the bar.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 01:34:36 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.165)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

An aside from the history debate....I for one have always thought Charlie Watts to be a huge factor to The Stones musical appeal. Concurrently, he's one of those drummers that you know when you hear him.


Entered at Tue Jun 30 00:26:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Revisionist history

This is an interesting discussion. Paul Trynka's book is an important source in understanding the evolution of the Rolling Stones. Revisionist history serves some well while others are diminished. No one doubts the importance of Jagger and Richards in the evolution of this band. What we are discussing here is the beginning and how it happens.

" “History is written by the victors,” writes Paul Trynka in the preface of his new book, Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones, “and in recent years we’ve seen the proprietors of the modern Rolling Stones describe their genesis, their discovery of the blues, without ever mentioning their founder."

So, yes, the Stones may have done their best work in the post-Jones era, and yes, no doubt, there were other excellent players in the band, but to deny the seminal role that Brian Jones played (lets stick to the point!) is to provide revisionism, and that is not appropriate.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 23:19:32 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Brian Jones the soul of the Rolling Stones? Really? What songs did he write? Looked great, interesting ideas, true, but in the end he had become a passenger. Their best albums, in a row, came after they sacked him. Charlie's Mojo interview mentions the Cheer for Charlie tradition, and also that Mick Taylor introduced a new level to them.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 19:48:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rod's book is very good - one I really enjoyed.

Well, I'm glad in the interests of peace and harmony that no one mentioned Women's Football here. Or Men's Under-21 Football.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 17:30:58 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Joni news

Ms. Mitchell is at home, 'speaking well,' and learning how to walk.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 17:06:07 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rod, Woody and Jeff

From Rod's book:

"In 1969, with things getting ever more fractious and beginning to spiral downwards, Jeff kicked Woody out of the band because he felt he was complaining too much, which in turn had the effect of stretching my patience with the whole project. There was no fun in it without Woody. That said, a guy called Doug Blake came in to play bass, and had what was, in retrospect, an important influence on me. Not only did Blake take to the stage, no matter how hot it was, in a frock coat and a pair of fingerless mittens, he also had a trick of flipping his bass guitar in the air and catching it again, which would in turn prompt me, slightly competitively (not wanting to be upstaged by the bassist, of all people), to throw my microphone into the air and catch it – a tiny lob the first few times, and then higher and higher as confidence grew. It was the beginning of a whole new phase for my stage act: the opening of a whole new repertoire of movements.

Our last American tour was a short jaunt up the East Coast intk the summer of 1969, taking in the Fillmore East, where it had all begun, Maryland, and the Newport Jazz Festival, with the intention to end the trip at some outdoor event or other in upstate New York in August. On the eve of that last show the band was billeted in a hotel at JFK Airport, the plan being to hop over to the event and back and fly out to London on the same night. But then the call came through. The gig wouldn't be happening. Jeff had already flown out on the 5:30 flight that afternoon. Apparently he had got wind from somewhere of a rumor, which turned out to be false, that his missus was having an affair with the gardener, so he was quite keen to go home.

The name of that festival we didn't play: Woodstock. Ah, well. Seen one outdoor festival, you've seen them all."


Entered at Mon Jun 29 16:53:35 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Brian Jones

Brian Jones was the soul of the Rolling Stones and clearly the person who had the most adventurous ideas. The person who overwhelmingly gets the most applause during band introductions at every Stones concert I've been to is Charlie Watts.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 16:45:56 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

So if they add "to HELP form..." to the plaque, history can rest.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 16:04:58 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Brian Jones

Leaving all other issues (singing, writing of songs, personalities etc.) aside, Keith Richards is quoted: "The Rolling Stones was Brian's baby". He should not be omitted in any history, plaque, commemoration of the band.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 15:58:44 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Pat B, I love those first two Jeff Beck records. He was crazy to break up that band.

Peter V, I also saw Yes early on at the Academy of Music opening for King Crimson and Procol Harum. They were so good!


Entered at Mon Jun 29 14:50:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, excellent Charlie Watts interview in the latest Mojo.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 13:41:36 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.165)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Old 1979 Rolling Stone article on NYC studio musicians.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 12:47:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Chris Squire

In googling that, I saw the very sad news that Chris Squire of Yes had passed away. I can still remember watching them at the Marquee just as the first album was released and being stunned by Chris Squire's bass playing. Very sorry indeed to hear this one.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 12:43:59 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Darryl Jones

Darryl Jones has played bass for them, but only for a mere 21 years. Wiki says:

QUOTE: In the manner of other tour and recording sidemen for the band, such as saxophonist Bobby Keys and keyboardist Chuck Leavell, Jones' stage movement and audience interaction is low-key and he generally wears understated apparel on stage. He is a salaried employee and does not share financial participation in the band's worldwide publishing, recording and concert touring revenues.UNQUOTE

If you look at the detailed sleeve notes, bass was very often Keith or Ronnie on record while Bill was a member.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 12:37:44 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Must-Halves to be a band

Who's the Rolling Stones' bass player, post B Wyman?


Entered at Mon Jun 29 10:00:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I never wanted to diss Ronnie (and I would prefer to see him as a Face) BUT it was inspired by reading an advert for The Monkees next show in the UK … er, Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork. Because of the vibe, you really need all four, but if only two were "The Monkees" it would surely would have been the other two.

I reckon Townsend and Daltrey function fairly as "The Who" and I think Mick & Keef … in 2015 concert terms … could get away with it too.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 07:34:27 CEST 2015 from (32.216.237.182)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Maybe they should have put this one the plaque

"The triangular flow of energy between Brian, Mick, and myself was the thing the Stones ran on. It was this conflict and interchange of allegiances which was the basic emotional engine of the Stones..."
-Keith Richards 1974


Entered at Mon Jun 29 04:28:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bob F, you forgot Woody's great bass playing in the original Jeff Beck Group.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 03:01:13 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The Plaque had read:

"Mick Jagger and Keith Richards met on platform 2 on 17 October 1961 and went on to form The Rolling Stones - one of the most successful rock bands of all time.”

The sign was in need of an edit anyway.......Richards was Richard at the time and I had thought just about everyone knew Brian Jones had formed the band......7 years after Jones had formed the band......he had lost his women, his talents, his band and his life......a bit sad to think that history was going to take absolutely everything away......nice to see Bill Wyman cared enough to not let that happen.

Bob F........well summarized on Justified ! Sam Elliot is one of those few actors, like Gene Hackman or Willem Dafoe that I enjoy them in everything they do......whether it be great movies or B level stuff, they always stand out.


Entered at Mon Jun 29 01:03:03 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Ron Wood

Ron Wood has had some kind of career. With The Faces he was the only guitar player and they tore up the stage. His playing on The Faces records and early Rod Stewart is incredible. As a songwriter he should be in the hall of fame having co written classics such as Gasoline Alley, Every Picture Tells A Story, Ohh La La, Stay With Me, I Can Feel The Fire, Cindy Incidentally, You Can Make Me Dance. He's had a pretty good run with the Stones also.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 23:59:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I reckon history bears out that Jagger-Richards were the talent. It seemed nobody much liked Brian Jones as a person. A strong catalyst role, but once the process is under way, you no longer need the catalyst.

As I've said before, Charlie is a great drummer, Ronnie a great personality, but frankly, if Mick & Keef went out with a session band, assuming it was a great drummer and bass player, I'd be happy to see it billed as "The Rolling Stones"


Entered at Sun Jun 28 21:57:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pollard …

I spent a fair time trying to find out more but that was a long time ago. It may be more productive now.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 21:56:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: From "Unsubstantiated Sessions" article here

Record Collector in January 1996 had an item in the ‘25 Years Ago This Month’ column (i.e. 1971) which said that ‘Band bassist Rick Danko was producing an album for Michael J. Pollard’’ Actor Pollard was one of the four leads in Bonnie & Clyde and a guest backstage at The Last Waltz.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 20:26:55 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

CashCatDad, just responded.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 20:20:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

According to Keef, the first Rolling Stones gig was Mick Avory on drums and Dick Taylor on bass.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 19:23:34 CEST 2015 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

I remember someone on Amazon commenting on the ACADEMY 1971 box set that Michael J. Pollard was in the audience next to them for one of the gigs. I love these weird little Band connections.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 19:21:53 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.111)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, that's not denied. The Blue Boys did not include Jones Or Wyman. That's separate.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 19:15:13 CEST 2015 from (81.38.117.166)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

For DJ Windy. It's on July 11th. Let me know if your offspring is up for it, and we'll try to make it work this time.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 18:56:02 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

That's certainly not Keef's version of it. Jagger and Richards hooked up well before the infamous first jam with Ian Stewart, Brian Jones, and bassist Dick Taylor, and Richards always said Stu was the glue that created the Stones.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 18:02:11 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Stones

Bill Wyman was very much the chronicler of The Rolling Stones and I would give great credence to his explanation.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 17:25:12 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.111)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete : If this statement is true :
"“Mick Jagger and Keith Richards didn’t create the Rolling Stones – they were part of The Rolling Stones like all of us,” Wyman has told the BBC. “Brian Jones wanted to form a blues band and he enlisted each member one by one. He gave the name The Rolling Stones, he chose the music and he was the leader.”
That is quite different from and is not effected by or subject to the qualifications you discuss, which came later. Creating the band as a blues band, and the later evolution to where the band went, and who wrote and sang the songs, is very different than the subject matter at hand.....which is what Bill Wyman was addressing. Did not Jones begin The Rollin Stones?
I'm wondering, don't know....Did the band write some of the old songs togther. Was Nanker Phelge just the two - Richards & Jagger, or the whole band in the early days....


Entered at Sun Jun 28 17:07:56 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Michael J Pollard and Rick Danko

I'm hoping that someone here can save me a bit of time.

A news item in MELODY MAKER, in January 1971, said tha film actor Michael J Pollard (C W Moss in "Bonnie & Clyde") was about to record an album with Rick Danko producing. It also said that songs had been especially written for Pollard by Dylan and by Kris Kristofferson.

Perhaps I've just gone blank on this but I can't recall any other mention of this. Can anyone here point me in the right direction to go hunting further?


Entered at Sun Jun 28 14:30:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It is true that Keith Richards and Mick Jagger met and started their friendship at Dartford station. It is true that Brian Jones considered himself the initial leader of the Stones. I think Bill is pushing his luck with "Mick Jagger and Keith Richards didn’t create the Rolling Stones – they were part of The Rolling Stones like all of us." As just the two wrote and sang the songs, you would have to admit that some Stones were "more equal" (as George Orwell put it) than others. Poor old Ian Stewart is highly-praised in Glyn Johns book for example.

Incidentally Bill's new "Back to Basics" album really is getting a critical hammering.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 12:50:46 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Bill Wyman, Brian Jones (Jeff's link)

Thanks Jeff A. for this link. I have never been a Brian Jones fan but Mrs. NWC keeps telling about something that came to be his memorial concert in London in 1969. It is not impossible that some of gbers were there too. - And good for old Bill!


Entered at Sun Jun 28 12:24:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Simone Felice

So many thanks, Roger! I got tickets for Winchester- probably the smallest venue he plays. Always a magic evening.

We're in the midst of a minor Shakespeare festival - all reviewed on my blog. King John, Merchant of Venice and Othello this week, with The Globe next weekend for two more (As You Like It, Measure for Measure). We had intended to be in the USA for most of May & June, but an elderly relative's illness meant we couldn't go, the result being that we'd booked very little theatre for the May / early June period which meant packing in the major productions now (before they finish their runs) when we would have just got back. You have to book six months in advance for decent seats. The result is somewhat overwhelming, but the last two at Stratford were both so good it was worth it.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 10:19:43 CEST 2015 from (86.139.232.145)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Brum

Subject: Simone Felice

Brits - Simone returns in October - check out tour dates and tickets...


Entered at Sun Jun 28 06:49:52 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.161)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Da Truth - Good For Bill Wyman!

Read the link - Wyman doesn't allow history to be rewritten & succeeds :-)


Entered at Sun Jun 28 01:19:42 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: typo

That's winner, not winter. The sun is shining.


Entered at Sun Jun 28 01:18:09 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Football FIFA women

Watching Canada's women play football with England this afternoon. Winter joins the final 4: Germany, USA, Japan in so far. Germany plays USA and the winner hear play Japan in the semis. Not a huge fan of women's football, but the final 4 always attracts when your country has a chance to be there.


Entered at Sat Jun 27 22:19:04 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Justified

Kevin, I agree with you about the last season of Justified. What a roller coaster ride it was! The guest stars like Sam Elliot and Mary Steenburgen were tremendous. The show couldn't have a real happy ending but they got as close as possible. It's fitting Dave Alvin was involved with some of the music on Justified since the whole series to me felt like one of his old story songs about people living in a mess of trouble. Thanks for the tip about that show.


Entered at Sat Jun 27 21:46:29 CEST 2015 from (87.152.123.106)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Music Books

Jeff & Lisa enjoyed your posts on the dogs and words, thanks.

Music books from The Guardian:

Lost in Music by Giles Smith
Things The Grandchildren Should Know by Mark Everett
Hallo Sausages: The Lyrics of Ian Dury, edited by Jemima Dury (2012)
Life by Keith Richards with James Fox (2010)
Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley (1994) by Peter Guralnick
Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999) by Peter Guralnick
Lipstick Traces by Greil Marcus (1989)
John Coltrane and Beyond by Valerie Wilmer (1977)
Blues Legacies and Black Feminism by Angela Davis (1999)
Paradoxical Undressing by Kristin Hersh (2011)
The Story of Modern Pop by Bob Stanley (2013)
Folk Song Style and Culture by Alan Lomax (1965)
England’s Dreaming by Jon Savage (1991)
Madcap by Tim Willis (2002)
Music, Silence and Memory by David Toop (2004)
I’m With the Band by Pamela Des Barres (1987)
Essays on Music by Theodor Adorno (2002)


Entered at Sat Jun 27 13:05:34 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: On the river banks of Caledonia (Sadavids link)

Thanks sadavid for this link even if it was not cheerful reading. I felt lousy already so no harm done ;-) I follow daily Scandinavian native people (Sami) TV news where they also tell about people in Canada, South America and even Taiwan. I knew that there are pinguins in Antarctic (and in South Africa, thanks to JT) but I didn't know that there are native people in Taiwan. Is there something else I don't know about this world? A horrible thought! - I enjoy understanding every third word in Sami language because it is a Finno-Ugric language. My daily ritual.


Entered at Sat Jun 27 06:05:32 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.100)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Kosher from Bandland.

Go Down Moses, a thousand an ounce. Crazy Chester, 1500 an ounce. Judgment Day. 2000 an ounce.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 23:19:57 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Bobby Jindal gets trumped.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 21:07:35 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: on the river banks of Caledonia

A long story (it begins in the 1700s), but beautifully told . . . how the Six Nations moved from (what is now) upstate New York to (what is now) southern Ontario, and how Britain, and then Canada, screwed them over.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 20:02:30 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

That's an interesting intersection, given the prominent display of the Confederate battle flag in a few scenes of TLW.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 19:14:06 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

So did I....Thank you Joe and Sadavid.

Bob F: I just finished watching the final season of Justified and it’s a brilliant return to form. Might well be the best thought out and written final season of any major show I have seen.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 19:12:08 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ashoksan

Ashokan Farrewell is a beautiful song the sort of tears in your heart. The Burns brothers who did the Civil War series used it for their theme song. This fits


Entered at Fri Jun 26 18:16:06 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Enjoyed that, sadavid, thnx.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 15:39:04 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: . . . and the tune that goes with it.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 15:38:13 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: a Bob Dylan (or not) story

" . . . a most interesting young man . . . "


Entered at Fri Jun 26 11:21:34 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.119)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Another Self Portrait

Playing 'Another Self Portrait' just now. I love this album - great songs, great musicianship and great singing. Really up there with anything Bob has done.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 10:35:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Don't know that it's made up. My chemistry textbook gives the formula for it. K 9 P.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 05:06:27 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Hey Jeff, anyone who's ever owned a dog knows exactly what you're talking about.

Personally, I love made-up words - so descriptive!


Entered at Fri Jun 26 04:54:36 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lisa, i'm full of surprises. My songs have some of my best words. I'm thinking you realize i derived canidic from canine, but maybe canidic acid is not correct. Caninic acid possibly. Canidic would be the quality of caninic acid.... Oy fucking vey......such problems to have.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 04:50:43 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Spaceman

Thanks for that, Joe J. Great yarn. Lee is a one-off, that's for certain. And believable, the bounced cheque and all. The Dylan lockout was funny, too. Lee likely spoke with a Montreal Gazette sportswriter. Unthink there was a Tribune in town.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 04:17:04 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Canidic acid??? ;-D


Entered at Fri Jun 26 03:58:57 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

"I spent the day with my old dog Moe... walkin' down an old dirt road..."


Entered at Fri Jun 26 00:53:02 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Spaceman

Link is to a great "Band" story featuring Bill Lee.


Entered at Fri Jun 26 00:49:05 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, of course it's possible that when you & Ben gave up your efforts to repair that mower, & were just hanging out,one or more of them dogs pissed on that old mower of yours. And the canidic acid worked it's magic, got that sucker running.

The scene where you sang Dixie & other Band songs to the dogs was wonderful


Entered at Fri Jun 26 00:47:20 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Dogs

Norbert, thank you so much for your wonderful post. I really enjoyed it and you're right, the whole thing is so Bandish.

For anyone who is faced with an aggressive dog, and in the heat of the moment forgets the lyrics to soothing Band songs, here are some other things you can do:

Don't trust a wagging tail - low, sweeping tail wags are friendly, but if the tail is bristled and held erect with short, high, stiff wags this is a warning signal.

DON'T TURN AND RUN! While this may be your immediate instinctive reaction, it will trigger the dog's chase response.

Don't look the dog in the eye - this will be interpreted as an aggressive move on your part.

Instead, turn your head and body slightly away from the dog, avert your gaze, blink your eyes and yawn (even though boredom is likely not what you're feeling right then!). This is dog body language, and how a dog will tell the aggressive dog that he is not a threat and means no harm.

When the dog's stance and growling relaxes, very slowly (still averting your eyes) back away to safety, but don't turn your back on the dog.

If all else fails, there's always Dixie!


Entered at Fri Jun 26 00:04:52 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I'm pretty sure that the first article i read about Neil preventing Donald from using the song did include a quote or a praphrase of Neil saying that the handshake photo was when he met Donald at exactly that, part of a effort to raise funds for Pono...


Entered at Fri Jun 26 00:00:37 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert: Your post just made up for a few years worth of some of the nonsense that comes round here :-)

And, Ben fixed that mower on a delay. Since you were watching, he just didn't fill you in, show you all his tricks.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 23:33:48 CEST 2015 from (87.152.125.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Band in Germany (Allegedly :-)

Yesterday evening my mower broke down and I took it to Ben, an old lumberjack and the best Stihl mechanic in the area. Ben lives rural, beyond the valley, I arrived there but the doors were closed. There were four dogs lying on the courtyard. I stepped out of the car and knocked on the closed doors, now I noticed a fifth dog, that was inside started barking. The other dogs now got alerted and walking very close up to me. I was cool but started to get a little less cool and thought of what to do best in this situation. I know The Band is cool and no one can sing DIXIE cooler than Levon. So I started singing Dixie out loud alone for those dogs there on that farmhouse courtyard. Odd but I didn’t mind, it worked the dogs relaxed too, even the one inside quieted down.

I thought I had everything under control now but I was wrong. As soon as I stopped signing the dogs got nervous again so I kept singing till Ben came which could have been after half an hour so I sang almost all TLW songs there for those dogs.

With Ben we started to work on the mower. I noticed Ben is becoming old and his eyes are getting worse. So I did most of the work with Ben on his little stool sitting next to me. From time to we took a break and I sat next to him on the ground and we would talk about training dog. “When they don’t listen I always throw my cap at them” he said (he showed it to me and the dogs ran away and looked at us from behind my car. “But you have to love them too, that’s important”

We worked on but couldn’t get the mower to run proper and took another break and talked about machines and working the land.

It became later and later and I saw Ben wasn’t the best mechanic around anymore. So at one point I put the mower back into my car and again sat next to Ben and chatted some about the first chainsaws …..at the end just sat next to another, said nothing but enjoyed the sun go down over the fields. …….I said goodbye and drove home

I know Ben doesn’t know The Band and he doesn’t need to cause he IS The Band. He’s King Harvest and all those things The Band sings about. I will keep visiting him from time to time. Not to repair things but just to have a little talk, it’s always good to visit The Band.

This morning I was up early and tried to start our mower. ….believe it or not it worked ……I mowed our whole grass garden (and that is a lot) it runs perfectly…..

Now I don’t say that is The Band too but somehow God must have been at Ben’s place too yesterday evening and like The Band too.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 21:04:10 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jerey
Web: My link

Subject: Neil and Donald

Carmen, I would wait for Neil's response before rushing to judgement. It's a nice photo, but it doesn't quite reach the iconic status of the Elvis and Nixon picture.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 20:52:19 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Traditionally, the print media was supposed to avoid the use of "alleged" or "allegedly" in news copy as much as possible, at least in North America, but with the general downturn in readership, in the English-speaking world at least, certain standards may have changed. One will find this not to be the case with digital news sites, which have adopted a broader style of news presentation.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 20:19:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Playing with words

Allegedly (a)moral agility


Entered at Thu Jun 25 20:12:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Media rule

This is often said as a joke in Britain. If you add "allegedly" you can say what you like and it's legal because you are reporting an allegation without confirming it! So on the TV topical comedy news quiz, "Allegedly" peppers all comments.

Allegedly.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 20:06:39 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Moral agility

Clearly, if you are in business, some think you can indeed have it both ways. Level of what you can tolerate from a moralistic point of view comes into play. That's why there are 2 sides to the mouth and at least 2 sides to every story


Entered at Thu Jun 25 20:02:16 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Neil Young

Like I said - you can't have it both ways!


Entered at Thu Jun 25 19:38:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Allegedly'

'Allegedly' always gets my attention. I always wonder about the word in its context. It demonstrates my insecurity about anything I read in the media.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 19:33:34 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: You built up a head of steam on the basis of that one 'allegedly'. I'm not saying that it's more or less than 'allegedly', because I haven't a clue; though Neil has a ton of his own money to do stuff with, and has a history of doing this his own way, an outside investor may well have been welcome. Have you read his "Waging Heavy Peace"? I'll have to dip into it again to see if the Donald makes an appearance.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 18:03:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Carcinoma lung

Another very sad reminder of the danger of cigarettes. An addiction for sure. Stopping can be accomplished in a variety of ways. Do it now!


Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:54:25 CEST 2015 from (87.152.125.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

RIP Thé Lau, everyone is from this world and this world is from everyone.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:08:10 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.119)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Pension pots

I've started to think carefully about albums I buy.

Is it really about albums being rushed out to make money for the declining years? Neil lost me when he recorded 'God Save the Queen'. Rubbish.

I was always glad when an artist made money. So many good bands have ended up with little more than nothing.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:05:43 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.87)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Apple, Pono

Yes, they are paying. but it is still a pittence, and streaming still is the devils' handiwork.

I've always had questionss about Pono. I;ve not doen the research,,,but wonder... Neil Young is not a tech head.... not an inventor of digital this or that,,,,,,so who came up with this new sound delivery system... obviously not he...Was he approached by the inventor, did he fund much of it, and become the physical pubic face......PONO is referred to as his Neil's new digital music delivery platform, but whose is it, who invented it, and what is the current make up of the compnay?....Young shook Donald's hand when he was trying to raise funds-- what if the Donald had wanted to be legit investor- for the right reasons, an in a fair deal- would Neil and co. have accepted?


Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:00:07 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.119)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Trump

Trump's mother came from Stornoway and he now has a presence in Scotland. What I don't like is the way he seems to make demands and get away with them. For example, he has built a beautiful golf course near Aberdeen, but made demands that off shore wind farms should not be built near his golf course (Scotland is working its way to become energy self sufficient through renewables) and also wanted certain homes demolished because they stood in the way of his plans.

He has recently bought Turnberry, the hotel and Open Championship course and he is changing the course. Just arrived and he's changing this iconic course. Sensitivity does not seem his strongest point.

I should point out that golf in this country is accessible to most people and not just a rich man's sport.

Why businessmen such as Trump seem to get what they want nowadays is the promise of jobs and opportunities for other businesses in this time of economic uncertainty.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 16:15:31 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: More business...Apple pays

Read the NYTimes to see that it is reported that Apple will pay 0.2 cents per song during the free 3 month trial period. (similar to Spotify) and and addition .047 cents for song rights (read the entire story).


Entered at Thu Jun 25 16:09:34 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Business

What to believe? The handshake that puts Neil Young and Donald Trump together as Neil (allegedly) requests funds for one of his interests from a business leader in the (recent) past confirms my cynicism about all that I read in the media and about business in general. The word 'hypocrite' was used by Trump according to the media. What I glean from all this (and so many other scenarios in the past) is how little I (or any of us) know about what makes these people tick and how they comport themselves... and that goes for both sides and their managements. I continue to be dubious about anything I read and I am sceptical about what seems to be the story... we only get the surface. I remember the innocence of the 60s when the word 'sellout' was used to apply to artists who wanted to succeed financially...as if that were some kind of a sin. How innocent and naive was that condemnation then. Today its clear that $$$ is all that matters. There really was never any innocence and the only difference now is degree. ($$$$$$$$$) So you get Neil Young meeting with Donald Trump one day and Neil Young and Donald Trump stomping on each other soon after. Rockin' In the Free World applies well here.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 06:16:31 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.87)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Will do JT. I enjoy Larry's musicianship, and have really been knocked over by Teresa's singing several times. She's a real deal country singer. And can also sing the hell out of that rock & roll :-)



Entered at Thu Jun 25 01:22:15 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: errata

I got the year wrong. I saw him with Dylan in the early 2000s and Rooftops is 2005.


Entered at Thu Jun 25 01:19:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Rooftops' Larry Campbell

After hearing this album (Campbell/Williams) and recalling the excellent playing in the Dylan band of a few years ago (2005), I looked at Larry Campbell's discography, found Rooftops, read PSB's review, and immediately purchased it. If you enjoy natural first rate guitar playing, this is for you. He must have been something in Levon's band live.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 18:49:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Listen...here.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 18:11:34 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Listen! to the album or songs from it

Anyway, Jeff and all: Please give the album a listen... with our without my 'imagined song'. It is great. I have great confidence in the people on this site that a link is not needed for ya'll.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 18:09:07 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mercy

Guilty as charged! I ask the court for leniency. My judge has already chastised me in the court of public opinion and he is correct as always.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 17:59:00 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.235)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

OF course, i meant to include "Take". As in - Take the fucking plea......


Entered at Wed Jun 24 17:39:51 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.235)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Get Out Of Jail Free

Jerry. Fess up Brother. Take it like a man. No link, no indication of whether or not you were referring to a studio recording of a song, an album, a live performance, an original, or a cover. even Dick Fucking Tracy himself would assume, as did I, as my response indicated, that you forgot to include the fucking link. Pleading guilty as accused, would be better than you thinking you gave us enough info. My advice is- the fucking plea, time served, and continued community service.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 15:37:57 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Bitter Sweet Symphony'/'The Last Time'/Andrew Loog Oldham/ Allen Klein

Speaking of Business and music, the story of Allen Klein and 'Bittersweet Symphony' is truly one for the books. Find the description and one point of view (from Ashcroft of The Verve) on You Tube and read about this 'transaction' in recent book excerpt. It is quite a story, a story of a collision between creativity and the legal system.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 15:16:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Do You Want To Know A Secret'

It is indeed amazing to watch a thread take on its own life even when there was no life for it when it was introduced. My point, for those who might have misinterpreted, was for you to find this album (Larry Campbell and Teresa Williams new album) and buy it and listen to it.


Entered at Wed Jun 24 15:10:24 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Listen!

Kevin J / JT: I always thought that "Listen" was Herman's Hermits' best record. I'm sure Bob Dylan would do a good job too. Say somewhere on "Self Portrait", in the mellow region between "All The Tired Horses" and "Copper Kettle".


Entered at Wed Jun 24 08:50:48 CEST 2015 from (159.253.162.80)

Posted by:

Peter V

I miss Norm. Hope he drops in here soon.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 22:07:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Norman ooh ooh ooh ooh...

As for the tugboat captain; I have it on good authority that he is doing well


Entered at Tue Jun 23 22:06:01 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Imperative!

Kevin: LISTEN! was an imperative, not a song. ie. A strong suggestion for those who like to hear music that soothes the senses.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 21:03:20 CEST 2015 from (24.114.88.238)

Posted by:

Kevin J

That post from JT promoting an invisible song "Listen" was actually from old GB friends DVD BOX & LED LIGHT, the self described Leiber and Stoller of the Spam world. To anyone who cares......Box and Light's long absence from the GB has nothing to do with drugs or drink.......reasons remain murky but both have whispered about a long night several years back with a tugboat captain on the west coast who talked a lot about Spell casters and whitening formulas.......


Entered at Tue Jun 23 20:03:26 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: The Sound Of Silence. Jerry........

Jerry, i actually did once hear & see Larry perform The Sound Of Silence prior to your post. With Dylan, Paul Simon,and one other guitarist as well. On that note...... time to run...


Entered at Tue Jun 23 19:39:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams: LISTEN!

This one is a gem. You won't be sorry.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 17:42:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Kinda makes sense Pete. On the issue of photographers wandering around to get shots during a show- to me, the point of a concert is to listen to the performance. Unless they are connected to the act,i never understood people who takes pics all show long. But maybe it's me, i don't enjoy the music the same way unless i can concentrate on it...i want to listen- shut the fuck up, sit the fuck down, leave me the fuck alone,I want to hear the band..

All that said, we now live in a world where people take photos of other people taking photos of them.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 16:46:40 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Business: The arts are no different

Peter: I appreciate what you have written regarding photography and I understand the points you make. My point is that there is an interesting perspective when you look at how professionals look at their craft and the limitations and restrictions that are placed on them in order to look after personal interests. Business inevitably collides with business when competing interests are in play. Someone is always going to feel they are shortchanged. The contract may indeed be sound. Nevertheless, the photographer here feels that his interests have been negatively impacted upon. Such is the nature of profit. Compromise is needed in business but you are never going to satisfy the utopian needs of all concerned.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 10:14:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Photo contract

I and all three of my kids have been paid for photography at one time or another. There are some pro photographers here. But I thought the Taylor Swift contract fair. It’s a tightly defined situation. It’s for local media reviews. She doesn’t want people selling on the shots, she only wants shots in two songs so as not to disturb the audience, the position is restricted. No wandering around and getting candid shots to sell to National Enquirer. No choosing your angle by being allowed on stage.

Frankly, in that situation, fixed position pointing up from a fixed “photo pit”, must use existing light, the opportunity for an artistic or original shot is very limited. Zoom and framing are choices, but still restricted. You have really good equipment, you set up the camera for the light, then you take as many pictures as you can in the time because the great shot will depend on the expression and stance of a moving singer so chance … luck … will be a major factor. It’s not even a band situation where you’d be choosing which musician to film, which hands to zoom in on etc. It’s only the singer. You could get thirty or forty perfectly lit, focussed and framed shots but by luck none of the facial expressions are great.

You wander into image rights of the subject as the main point.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 07:23:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yup Jerry, nothing is simple. Photographers got to be major pain in the balls, and of course, there are all kinds of considerations. Yet, the artists do need the publicity. The semi solution is paying the hired photographers enough, if there ever is such a thing. Many talented tradespeople will do work for hires, for the right price. but shoot an iconic photo under those circumstances, you're gonna hurt. unless it is your career maker, and moves you out of that level to another....


Entered at Tue Jun 23 06:49:34 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Business sludge

And so it goes, Jeff. Everything and ever act with at least 2 sides and no pure answer or solution without repercussions. Who are photographers taking advantage of? The chain of business is not clean but mired in varying degrees of sludge.


Entered at Tue Jun 23 05:10:50 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Photographer responds to Taylor Swift.

Interesting. The contract can be read, click on it. I'm told it;s not uncommon. Lots of sides to every aspect, but still......


Entered at Mon Jun 22 18:44:26 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mining

Kevin: I love 'Desire'. It knocked me out when I heard it played at Sam's on Yonge St the day it came out. It is the 'heart' that is evident in the singing and the melodies that hit me hard. I'm with you in general on what I'd like to hear. Mine the catalog and pull out some seldom-heard beauties


Entered at Mon Jun 22 18:09:50 CEST 2015 from (184.145.116.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

JT......I listened to Desire yesterday on a drive around town and while this next thought is at odds with wanting Bob to focus on newer material, I sometimes wish he would just pull out a "One More Cup Of Coffee" or others like it. Especially now that his singing has gotten back on track. Of course for a good segment of Bob's crowd, Desire is likely seen as "newer" material.....Anyhow, with the depth of his catalogue, I really have zero interest in hearing him do Frank Sinatra songs, and wish he and the band would look out some of his own hidden beauties - there is certainly enough of them to choose from.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 17:48:47 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: An Ode to Alasdair MacGill-Eain

I got ill for a few days and picked up Alistair MacLean’s Ice Station Zebra, ….. a page turner still …..(I read them all in my “younger days” ). Many writers still could learn from this man.

Back to The Band.

The Guardian has an interesting item about the American civil war with then and now pictures (link).


Entered at Mon Jun 22 17:34:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Yes, Kevin..mixing it up

One from the new album ( a different one from each of the 2 nights) and a Willie Nelson song. Who knows, we might get LARS again sometime in the future?


Entered at Mon Jun 22 17:30:10 CEST 2015 from (184.145.116.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bob Dylan's European tour has just started and looks like he is back to mixing up the set lists - somewhat. I loved that he was focusing almost entirely on newer material of late - something I had called for him to do for a long time - but doing the exact same show every night had run its course in my opinion. It will be fun to see how this develops.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 17:06:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

All congratulations to Apple - it's harder for a corporate to change its mind than to plough on regardless. Now if only they'd sent someone round to look at the software issues I have … the autosave on the otherwise wonderful iBooksAuthor eats up space so fast by saving the whole file every time that I have less than half an hour now before my memory is full and I need to Restart to regain it.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 16:52:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Changes often take time and positive pressure

As you know, Jeff, positive changes often take time and positive pressure. It is a good sign when the largest company in the world takes to heart the serious concerns of its artists. This is good! I give the leadership credit for seeing the light (even if it is for their own benefit).


Entered at Mon Jun 22 16:35:12 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry, this began a while ago. Apple's change of heart took em a good while. Required a few bites out of the apple so to speak.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 15:20:27 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Apple

Apple has a change of heart. They will pay royalties after receiving Swift's letter and concerns from other artists. Not a surprise to me. This is the response I would have expected from Apple as they go forward.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 13:14:15 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Mystery Train

Peter, I saw the new edition of 'Mystery Train' in a book store over the weekend. It has a new forward and expanded annotated discography. I paged through the discography and saw some new commentary on Levon's death, the academy of music box set and the basement tapes box set. However, it didn't look enough new material to be worth $17 since I have 3 or 4 earlier editions of this book. But If anyone here doesn't already have the book, I'd suggest getting this new version.


Entered at Mon Jun 22 10:28:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Record Collector has a short review of the SIXTH edition of Greil Marcus's Mystery Train. The review says "It could be that the influence of The Band is over-rated."

I was annoyed. Also, I don't think I need another Mystery Train. I have at least three … the appendices do get updated.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 23:43:18 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Taylor Swift's Letter to Apple Music

I don't care for her music, but she seems to have a good head on her shoulders. Read the article & letter.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 23:34:58 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Kevin

Thanks for posting the link.Very beautiful.Garth's playing was very moving.Made me feel the absences of the others.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 18:54:28 CEST 2015 from (24.114.72.53)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Excuse the e, Maud


Entered at Sun Jun 21 18:48:24 CEST 2015 from (24.114.72.53)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Sister Maude and Garth - Knocked me out with this beautiful rendition of "It Makes No Difference" at the NY Blues Hall of Fame gala......Love this one. LINKED Above.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:42:21 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: David Geffen (bio - public tv)

Who knows? The overwhelming impression from the bio (shown last night again on public television station) was that Brooklynite, David Geffen, was largely self-made (impressive), committed to his performers, said what he thought without reservation, was effective in most of what he did through his life, but sometimes (like so many) got lucky. The (in between the lines ruthlessness sometimes needed) was largely downplayed but was still present in this bio. What always impresses whenever it happens is the ability (luck is a part of it: self-determination is the major characteristic of such a person) of someone from little means to 'make it'. How he avoided illness when everyone around him was dropping in the early to mid-80s is something I can't get my head around though one could come up with plausible explanations. As a historical document of an agent, supporter, organizer, manager, CEO, businessman) in this industry, it is well worth seeing.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:27:44 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, I reported what Maud told me.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:23:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, when they played Oxford Brookes in 2007, she was introduced as "Sister Maud."

Then again in 1999, when they played the Forum, Randy referred to "Brother Garth."


Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:19:19 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.60)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Sarah: When Garth & Maud visited that last time, Levon called Maud "Sister Maud." This is one of Maud's ways of honoring his memory & keeping him with her.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:13:11 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Not sure, but I assumed it was Mormon … men become Elders, women become Sisters. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 15:33:43 CEST 2015 from (46.226.108.137)

Posted by:

Lana

Web: My link

Good one, Bill M. Best so far.


Entered at Sun Jun 21 15:03:29 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: The Faces Debris

Ronnie Lane's Debris is such a beautiful song for a Father. "you were my hero now you are my good friend".


Entered at Sun Jun 21 14:45:54 CEST 2015 from (216.121.189.31)

Posted by:

Sarah MacLean

Subject: Sister Maude

Does anyone know why Maude Hudson is called Sister ?

I have googled it - to no avail !


Entered at Sun Jun 21 03:21:29 CEST 2015 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

*Correction: Sister Maud Hudson. They are headlining Saturday night, after dark... will be beautiful!


Entered at Sun Jun 21 01:17:04 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Adam,:-) .... Have a blast. Enjoy yourself and the great music :-)


Entered at Sun Jun 21 00:35:55 CEST 2015 from (67.184.58.19)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: If you find me in a gloom...

Hey old Bandies. Just stopping in to say hello. Another summer close to where I saw the Original Line up of all things. Well, be good.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 23:45:39 CEST 2015 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

Jeff - I'm attending Garth & Maud's set on July 11!


Entered at Sat Jun 20 23:13:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'm pretty sure Denny Laine did "Go Now" when we saw Wings in 1975.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 22:47:55 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Interesting Denny Laine Interview

The man has some interesting things to say in his interview. It will be a bit of an eyeopener for many... And may help some realize that for a killer instrumentalist, being a well paid steadily employed income guaranteed sideman is actually a damn good deal.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 22:21:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: near London Ontario

The distance from London Ontario (where Garth Hudson grew up) to Ingersoll (Canterbury Folk Festival )is 44 km.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 21:11:51 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Hey , the homepage indicates that Garth & Sister Maud are headlining the Canterbury Folk Festival in Ontario on July 11th. See the link!


Entered at Sat Jun 20 19:54:59 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Greece and Germany. Yes and no, really. Greek friends tell me the debts are because they bought vast amounts of weapons and other stuff from Germany & France at inflated prices and high interest. On the other hand, the Greek government also bought votes for decades with grandiose projects and early retirement. There are two sides to it. As the cartoon in The Times showed today, Putin is cosying up very fast.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 19:50:48 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

NWC, I think it's quite generous and reflects well.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:54:19 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: I totally disagree with Peter V on this particular ABBA song!!!

"Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee" for the Greek Finance Minister says Peter V. No, the opposite, I say. It is for _German banks_ who borrowed unshamesly to Greeks in hope of higher interest rates instead. Normally it is called for bad dept.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 13:28:06 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: ABBA /Pat B

On a serious side... yes, Pat B, you are right. This McCain episode smells economics and lawyers. I can't understand it either. - I lived a couple of decades in the same small town where Mrs Lyngstad grow up as a poor girl without a father. In the same street, actually. There were plans last year to have a statue of Mrs Lyngstad there. There are a few music related statues already in this Medieval small town. She said "no", but maybe a prize for a young talented singer. I think that is fair and generous, don't you think?


Entered at Sat Jun 20 13:05:51 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

If my memory serves me well, Jimmy Carter used The Band's version of Georgia On My Mind in his campaign... but it was with mutual consent, wasn't it... they played for him.

So what Band song would be appropriate for a politician? I can only think of two:

"If I Lose"

"Where Do We Go From Here..."


Entered at Sat Jun 20 09:39:49 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, I hadn’t thought about such things as the draft, international travel etc. Having crossed borders in the company of US Americans and Canadians, I recall that Canada always used to rank with Switzerland as a hassle-free passport that no one objected to. Not true of either the USA or UK. And until 9/11, the border was no problem either.

I have a British friend who’s lived in Greece since 1977, though I expect he’s becoming increasingly glad he kept his passport.

Yes, we maintain identity. But after owning a large ranch and putting down roots for 45 years it does seem slightly perverse to insist you’re a foreigner.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 03:23:33 CEST 2015 from (24.114.72.53)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Charleston

Watching family members of the victims just 48 hours after the shootings speak in such passionate and lovely ways about their mothers and sons and daughters while speaking directly to the shooter and extending forgiveness to him is some of the most powerful television I have ever seen......I really don't t think I could find it in my heart to do the same......some truly special and beautiful people associated with that church in South Carolina.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 01:24:27 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I love Dylan's singing. There was that short period where he sounded like he swallowed a squirrel, but he outgrew it.


Entered at Sat Jun 20 01:03:01 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan vocals

At the risk of being called out as deaf or crazy or both, I want to note my impressions of Bob Dylan as a singer. I'm listening to 'Sooner or Later' (Blonde on Blonde) right now as I write this and he hits every note and is as good as anyone in inflection, tone and pitch. And yet in the 60s his voice was repeatedly questioned ('He can't sing." they said). On what planet is that not effective singing in all aspects. Lets correct history and admit that the critics were just plain wrong.

That solid vocal ability is evident on the new 'Sinatra' album, even if the material is not the miraculous material of 1965-66. So that's it. Say I'm wrong. I don't care!


Entered at Fri Jun 19 23:43:27 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.142)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: We knew one British woman who moved to the Netherlands in 1950 and as of a coule of years ago) had nevertaken out Dutch citizenship. And another one who came to Toronto a year or so later and also hasn't switched. Why would it bother anyone else? It's them that can't vote, and they do pay taxes, volunteer, etc. Same with Neil Young, and with guys in the US in the olden days there was always the daaft to worry about if you were a legal immigrant. Of the canadian in Buffalo Springfield, Young would have gotten off for medical reasons, Dewey Martin did his time in the US forces bemoving to the west coast and Palmer, I suspect, may simply have not bothered with a green card. Our gus were lucky to have stayed clear of trouble. Was it Grossman's'touch' / contacts / skill or luck of the draw. There were a lot of Canadian musicians in and around Woodstock, not a bad place to scoot across the border from if scooting was called for.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 23:07:39 CEST 2015 from (184.145.116.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Ben……Funny that I had that same thought about Neil Young and Reagan when first hearing about this flap…….quite a statement back then that Carter couldn’t even hold the hippie vote….as to your question, I’d eat my hat if more than 5 people could be found to have voted for Reagan and are now supporting Bernie Sanders…….Welcome home Neil…..Peggy’s hoping it’s a trend…

If only that 87 year old grandmother in the church had been armed, this whole thing could have been prevented…remember that NRA logic from a while back and the theatre killings….the same people that make that sort of argument are also the same ones cheering on the building of a massive wall at the border……..not realizing that walls built by governments to keep “illegals” OUT can also be used to keep citizens IN - as an ex-wrestler used to say…..kind of like being caught in a crossfire at a theatre or church….At least Bill Clinton had the guts to lobby for and achieve passage of meaningful gun control laws. The shame is that they have all since been overturned…….remember when all those kids were shot a few years ago and night after night on tv, the grieving family members would say, “well, I know little Bessie didn’t die in vain , because things will now change”…….I heard the same thing from one of the victims’ relatives yesterday…..and all the media anchors and reporters just nod and say yes….but everyone knows it likely never will.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 22:34:15 CEST 2015 from (184.145.116.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Peter V: I believe Joni applied for US citizenship a decade or so back but would still refer to herself as a Canadian in the same way Neil Young does. He is Canadian, of course and always will be. One doesn’t give that up. Though being a dual citizen can be especially tough if one of the countries is the US, as the tax implications – for life – can be extremely onerous. Many choose not to go that way……..and, of course, many musicians don’t really get involved in the political world………I doubt Rick or Garth spent much time worrying about politics. Neither one of them to my knowledge ever took out US citizenship. Robbie hasn.t.

Thinking about all this reminds me of how categories like this sometimes work………….Wealthy Whites are “expatriates”…….Blacks and Asians are “immigrants”…..and Browns are "illegals". Jazz musicians - “homeless”


Entered at Fri Jun 19 20:28:41 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

It just seems pointless for Trump or any other politician to use a well known song by a living artist without checking with the artist's "people" first. This has happened time and again at least as far back as 1984, when Reagan used 'Born in the USA' and was rebuked by Springsteen. There are plenty of right wing musicians Trump could have turned to such as Ted Nugent, Meat Loaf, Wayne Newton or Kid Rock. I'm sure at least one of them would have been happy to be associated with Trump.

The one interesting thing about Neil Young is that he did go through a republican phase back in the 80's. He definitely was a Reagan supporter at the time. He gave some interviews in that period where he was very critical of Carter. I wonder how many other former Reagan supporters are now backing Bernie Sanders?


Entered at Fri Jun 19 20:22:57 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Gimme, Gimme

Good one, Bill M. Best so far.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 19:27:13 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.26)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I believe that ABBA's gimme gimme song has alreedy been licensed exclusively to the IMF - who proved willing and able to outbid the Greeks.



Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:38:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Not that Clearly Canadian …

A thought I had about Neil Young (which will apply to our guys and Joni too). He says he’s Canadian and doesn’t vote in US elections.

He arrived in LA in 1966, a year short of half a century ago. He’s owned Broken Arrow Ranch in California for 45 years. While I agree with him 100% about people using his songs, I’m not sure whether an arms-length attitude to voting in the country where you’ve spent 49 out of 70 years is a reasonable stance. You can’t have your cake and eat it, basically. My English friends who moved to the USA in the 70s have long been citizens. Don’t you think “Don’t blame me. I’m Canadian” might run for 10 years as an exile, but after 49 is a bit weird?


Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:29:55 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bakers of Belfast

The Belfast cake is a complex one. They say they refused because it was a cake that said “Support Gay Marriage.” One TV bit suggested that they were quite prepared to make a cake with “John and Richard’s wedding” or "John Loves Richard" because they made wedding cakes, but not one with a political slogan.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:28:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: ABBA FOR SALE

OK, I’m taking bookings for ABBA songs for political use.

So far I’ve agreed on:

Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee for the Greek Finance Minister.

Waterloo … an interesting donation for a French campaign, apparently donated by British well-wishers.

Dancing Queen … hugely profitable. Sold it twenty times already to British politicians of various parties.

The Visitors for the Italian Immigration Minister.

Take A Chance On Me … sold to Ed Miliband, who is now asking for a refund.

Money, Money, Money to UK Chancellor George Osborne.

I’m A Marionette … not sure who this is for. The CIA paid, and they’re deciding who to use it for.

One Man, One Woman ; jointly sold to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon (Sorry, Nicola, I tried to get you “Like A Sturgeon” but neither Madonna nor Weird Al Yankovic are answering my calls).

The Winner Takes It All – David Cameron, with apologies to those wanting Proportional Representation.

SOS – to United Nations Emergency Committee.

Move On … to Tony Blair, whose mantra whenever questioned about his misdeeds is “Let’s move on.”

Mamma Mia – for supporters of Angela Merkl.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 17:23:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

If you read the article, you'll find that ABBA is McCain's favorite group. I always enjoy unrequited love.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 17:18:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Ideology

And so we have the essence of the problem: If an ideology is foreign to or against 'my' ideology, it may be a problem.for 'me'.

This discussion could go to extremes as someone with an opposing ideology looks at mine and has a negative view. He/she is convinced that my ideology is dangerous or sacrilegious or 'whatever'.

And so, we have the problem of ideology in human existence. A sometimes result is intolerance and sadly, hate.

Personal ideology has to exist in concert with space for other ideologies. The exception is when an ideology results in severe danger or harm to others. Unfortunately, in this world for as long as it has existed, this too often is not the case.

This is a long way from Neil Young and 'Rockin' In The Free World' but maybe not.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 15:54:51 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Playing Devil's Advocate

I'm not a Donald Trump supporter regarding his political aspirations, and I understand Neil Young not wanting the appearance that he would be endorsing Mr. Trump in any way, but I'm trying to wrap my head around the way that the freedom to use commercially available products and services (a song in this case) can be selectively applied based on ideological differences.

What would the reaction be, if the candidate in question was African American or gay? Would Neil Young (or any artist) have the right to deny them the use of his song, because of a belief system or any other sort of bias?

In other types of businesses, there have been instances where bakeries have been sued, or forced out of business for refusing to make cakes for gay weddings. I assume the owners of the bakery had issues with appearing to support an event that they fundamentally disagreed with, for either ideological or religious differences.

The other thing that keeps running through my head, was Levon Helm's dissatisfaction with his performance of 'The Weight' being used in the Cingular commercial several years ago. I realize that was not a political campaign, but I feel there is some parallel with an artist wanting some control on how their work is used. In Levon's case, his wishes apparently were ignored.

Please note, that I'm not making any personal judgments, regarding any of the above scenarios. Just an observation that there seems to be some variability in how an artist's ideology is or isn't supported in different situations.

In short, I was under the impression that, in this modern day and age, commercially available products and services are to be made available to any potential consumer, willing to pay the price, regardless of ideological differences.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 15:38:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Excellent statement from Neil.

The last time we heard about Monsanto was on the tour bus between West Helena and Clarkesdale … hey! We're getting a Band connection at last … We'd just been to a service at an African-American church …the guide was talking about the high levels of unemployment around Clarkesdale, but then brightened up and said the future looked good as Monsanto was buying up lots of land around there which would bring jobs. The people next to us said 'And six toes, two noses and three fingers on each hand.'

The GM crops fight is already lost … the problem is blowing in the wind, at least in North America. There's been a lot of effort in stopping it here, but anything that has cornmeal in is going to have some GM in.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 15:19:04 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Neil Young's Statement

"Yesterday my song "Rockin in the Free World" was used in a announcement for a U.S. presidential candidate without my permission.

A picture of me with this candidate was also circulated in conjunction with this announcement but It was a photograph taken during a meeting when I was trying to raise funds for Pono, my online high resolution music service.

Music is a universal language. so I am glad that so many people with varying beliefs get enjoyment from my music, even if they don't share my beliefs.

But had I been asked to allow my music to be used for a candidate - I would have said no.

I am Canadian and I don't vote in the United States, but more importantly I don't like the current political system in the USA and some other countries. Increasingly Democracy has been hijacked by corporate interests. The money needed to run for office, the money spent on lobbying by special interests, the ever increasing economic disparity and the well funded legislative decisions all favor corporate interests over the people's.

The Citizens United Supreme Court ruling is proof of this corruption as well as are the proposed trade deals which would further compromise our rights.
These Corporations were originally created to serve us but if we don't appropriately prioritize they will destroy us. Corporations don't have children. They don't have feelings or soul. They don't depend on uncontaminated water, clean air or healthy food to survive. They are beholden to one thing - the bottom line.
I choose to speak Truth to this Economic Power. When I speak out on corporations hurting the common man or the environment or other species, I expect a well financed disinformation campaign to be aimed my way.
Such is the case with the reaction to my new album The Monsanto Years, which covers many of these issues. I support those bringing these issues to light and those who fight for their rights like Freedom of Choice.
But Freedom of Choice is meaningless without knowledge. Thats why its crucial we all get engaged and get informed.
That's why GMO labeling matters. Mothers need to know what they are feeding their children. They need freedom to make educated choices at the market. When the people have voted for labeling, as they have in Vermont, they need our support when they are fighting these corporate interests trying to reverse the laws they have voted for and passed in the democratic process.

I do not trust self serving misinformation coming from corporations and their media trolls. I do not trust politicians who are taking millions from those corporations either. I trust people. So I make my music for people not for candidates.

Keep on Rockin in the Free World.
Neil Young"


Entered at Fri Jun 19 13:11:45 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: gun viiolence

Peter, unfortunately those stats are not surprising. I don't understand gun culture. I didn't grow up around guns, and could not imagine having one in the house now with a toddler.

Clearly, the attack on this church was racially motivated and not an attack on religion as the idiots on fox news are proclaiming.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 12:14:03 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: ABBA / Pat B

Pat B found it funny that ABBA objected McCainn. I don't understand what is funny. Shame on me! BTW the only member in ABBA who has profiled politically is Mr Andersson (B). He has donated money to Feminist Alternative and spoken in their video commercial. Mrs Lyngstad, Princess of Reuss and Dutchess of Plauen (A) is living in a Swiss mountain village and buying her food in a local _cooperative_ market COOP. The media has taken this as a political left side statement. THAT IS FUNNY Mr B because the truth is that there is no other market in that particular village. I was there last week and purchaced drinking yoghurt and two croissants.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 09:37:11 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Statistics - read em and weep

It comes down to numbers. Per 100,000 population, 19.4 Black Americans die by homicide. 5.3 Hispanic Americans die by homicide. 2.5 white Americans die by homicide.

Neighbouring Canada has a rate of 1.5. Most of Europe is between 0.8 (Germany) and 1.1 (UK, France). Japan is 0.4.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 06:31:12 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Don't follow leaders, Watch the parking meters

Jed, it's the ruling class, same old song and dance.

They don't have to be the best or the brightest....just have to know how to claw their way to the top and keep power by any means possible. The rest is a show for the commoners.
The more that Democrats and Republican voters bicker with each other, the likelihood increases that many of the same people, faces, and names will continue to dominate the political landscape.
I erroneously posed the question recently, "which millionaire do you want to vote for?"
Now that Trump is in the race, and the price of politicking keeps going up every year, the question will have to be modified to include billionaires.

My dream of the Unity party may never happen, but I can at least hope.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 03:42:02 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Politics

All this talk of politics reminds me why I opted out of focusing on it.All ideologues who lie and accomplish little or usually nothing.A lot w/o a soul for the most part,if not monied up by the system.Presidential elections are akin,IMHO,to nude beaches:those who should(run or strip naked) don't and those who shouldn't do(run or stip naked.Unfortunate for nude beach goers and for the USA this is unfortunate.Does anybody really believe reagen,the bushes,the Clintons,Obama, and the next crop are really the best,brightest,most creative thinkers in America? HA!Dothese people really represent the most intelluctually and emotionally intelligent and mature in America? HA!


Entered at Fri Jun 19 03:02:17 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Guns

I grew up around people that carried guns. Some carried two. I've never liked em, never had one. By virtue of qualification I've had opportunites to get carrying licenses here in the past.... got to tell ya, if i still could get that license, I would. Although the street fights aren't all over like they used to be, & the proliferance of gangs is not the same, there is still countless crazy shit going down here daily. And the cops ain't what they used to be.

I might have written about this already- bout a week ago, 4 AM, 2.5 to 3 miles away, three cops try to arrest three guys stripping a car. One gets cuffed ,the other two, one pulls a knife, and is threatening the cops. Eventually one cop shot that guy, but both guys got away.... Today, two transit police at a station two stops away, get into a scuff with a 68 year old man arguing with a 78 year old woman. The 68 year old man slashed the throat of one cop,who is expected to live, the other cop killed the man.

The streets here ain;t like they used to be, there are less hustlers trying to fuck with you for the hell of it, get over on you, start shit just to start shit, less outward druggies and crackheads on the street, and there are more yuppies and hipsters, and wealthy people, gentrification, but you truly do never know what the hell is going to happen from one minute to the next. Fact is, the world is like that everywhere, but the greater concentration of people you have the more it increases, and it increases squared somehow, not equal amounts per person..

Here, though it's calmer, you still get tested here every day, some times a few times a day. People, strangers, and non strangers, still try to fuck with you here, for no reason. And you got to know how to deal with it...

But guns, i'm completely against em, but, they will not get banned here, and it is getting to the point where people better have em, know how to use em, and keep em responsibly and safely. .


Entered at Fri Jun 19 02:52:46 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

ABBA objected to McCain. Now that's funny.


Entered at Fri Jun 19 02:29:28 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Always was my favourite version of 'Early Morning Rain'.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 23:34:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Charleston

Barack Obama:

At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other developed countries.

RIP to the victims.

21 Today? Have a gun as a present.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 22:07:35 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Peter, other than the verb, I had no idea Trump had meaning besides garish real estate developments and card games.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 21:32:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Pat. Very clear … and very straightforward. You have to ask. I find it reflects on those who don't see that in so many ways.

A "trump" means a fart here. Don't you have that meaning in America?


Entered at Thu Jun 18 21:28:05 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

This explains Neil Young's legal rights in the Trump case, rights which have nothing to do with one's political persuasion.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 18:51:47 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Donald Trump is an odious creep. He makes statements about what he'll do but only in the most evasive way Bruce has objected to several of the songs being used and I think that's good. They asked permission is not granted that's one thing but not asking permission is ridiculous.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 17:24:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I neglected to mention the cluster of building Senior Trump built a mile or so over is named Trump Village.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 17:15:32 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.193)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Kevin, the building I live in was built by Trump's pop in the 60s. About a mile west there's a development of apartment buildings that he built about the same time. Fortunately Donald was born & raised in Queens.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 16:57:29 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: No dope

He has a right to be angry, I agree. I won't get into who used the song... that is way too absurd to discuss and its hard to believe anyone is taking any of this seriously. Anyone with $$$ can consider themselves a candidate for leadership. So what? As for Neil. I agree. He is no dope. That song belongs to someone. He wrote it and it is identified with him. So he can object. The legalities are another matter. I don't know what they are. But anyone can complain about anything they want and if they have a voice that the public attends to, as Neil does, he will be heard.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 16:42:56 CEST 2015 from (76.71.5.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: The Weight

LINKED: The Weight...very much worth listening to.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 16:20:15 CEST 2015 from (76.71.5.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Songs for Politicians......

….and wouldn’t it be refreshing if self-described “extremely wealthy” candidates who claim that their number one goal is to create jobs would just once hire some underemployed musicians to write an original song to suit their needs instead of pinching one from a very famous, already very wealthy musician.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 15:32:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If a politician has your song played as part of a campaign, it is a double-pronged offense. First they might totally misunderstand the lyrics (see Reagan and Born in The USA), but also, because you normally ask permission, it implies that you're endorsing them. So Neil Young has every right to be pissed off. You'd be pissed off if someone announced you endorsed them (even in the event that you actually had intended to vote for them).


Entered at Thu Jun 18 14:32:09 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa

Subject: Neil

Look - as I said - Love Neil Young's music. But if all of these preacher musicians required a Democrat voter ID card before purchasing a CD or concert ticket, they would be broke. You cant have it both ways -


Entered at Thu Jun 18 11:30:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Hey, if Trump wins, I hear his first act will be to have the White House gilded all over. It will be renamed The Gold House. He thought it looked a bit tacky before, so following his success in improving 5th Avenue, he thought he would make the White House look more sophisticated.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 09:37:37 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Neil and the trump person

My two cents from the Low countries:

Is everyone critisizing Neil Young? Really? When a maverick loud-mouth "politician" employs your song in a way it was never intended? I can imagine Neil feels helpless...

The trump person should be sued...


Entered at Thu Jun 18 09:28:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Voter fraud, often the ballot box as the door to eternal life for those whose addresses might read Plot 37698, Central Cemetery, was said to be at low levels in the UK, but then blossomed in the last 20 years. The Attorney-General, after reporting on investigations had to apologize for stating that the common factor in most cases was not political party, but the ethnicity of the candidate.

Postal voting is seen as too open to fraud. See the link. The example hits both main parties.

Florida 2000 seems one of the most multi-pronged and organized and statewide examples of voter suppression in post-Civil Rights years. One would have assumed being the man at the top in such a widely discussed case would render someone permanently barred from political office.

Former Labour Chancellor Ed Balls lost his seat at the General Election, though his wife, Yvette Cooper, is a candidate for the Labour Leadership. It's a pity she doesn't call herself "Mrs Balls" because then there would be the prospect of that headline "Balls meets Bush" in future newspapers.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 06:27:25 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

When did Yhe Donald become a politician? That's news to me! : )


Entered at Thu Jun 18 06:12:43 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Carmen, what democratic voter fraud are you referring to? The only case of democratic voter fraud that I've heard of was back in the 1960 Prsidential election when the rolls of dead people in Chicago miraculously voted for JFK. Philadelphia is an overwhelmingly democratic city, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

In case you were unaware, the republican party has a national strategy of voter suppression. Based on the issues and demographics, the only way for republicans to win a national election is to suppress likely democratic voters.

Regarding politically active musicians who have crossed the line, Roger Waters is at the top of my list. He is an anti-Israel fanatic and uses his celebrity status as a bully pulpit to try to influence others.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 05:16:09 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Dylan has done a lot of preaching, from Masters of War to When You Gonna Wake up. Sure, he's been enigmatic, but he's hardly been neutral. And Neil has every right to bitch when a politician tries to appropriate his music. btw, Trump paid actors to come to his announcement.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 02:41:47 CEST 2015 from (24.91.116.154)

Posted by:

Dave H

Bob Dylan never told people what to think about politics?


Entered at Thu Jun 18 00:22:35 CEST 2015 from (70.192.135.44)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: PV

Peter don't worry in Philly the lovely politicians make sure there are more than enough dead people voting twice which more than makes up for the so called disenfranchised voters you claim to know so much about. Let's be fair here - there is far more voter fraud on the D side. You need ID to sign up for cable TV but it is a hardship to have ID to vote. Remember a govt big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away anything you have.


Entered at Thu Jun 18 00:08:59 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: F*ck me!

Donald Trump? Jed "Stop African Americans voting in Florida so I can fix it for my brother" Bush? Number three after two Bushes who were among the worst ever presidents in US history? You have to be kidding.

One should never comment on foreign politics, but I think the worst we have here of any party, and they are truly pretty appalling, does not descend to the levels of Trump or Bush!


Entered at Wed Jun 17 23:45:34 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I don't understand why anyone is criticising Neil Young for not wanting his music played at a Donald Trump rally. Trump is the worst kind of huckster and pseudo-celebrity. As Kevin pointed out, Trump showed himself to be a real asshole with the birther garbage that he was espousing a few years ago. For comedic purposes, I hope he stays in the race long enough to appear at at least one debate.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 22:27:27 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Carmen......Asking a controversial personality to stop using a song in promotions is a far cry from becoming a raving artist intent on mixing art with politics. Nothing Neil Young did today warranted him being called a dope.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 22:09:42 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Music and thought

Carmen again: " Let the music make you think rather than being so pompous as to think these stars have to think for us." Dylan has it right as you say and this is right on the money!


Entered at Wed Jun 17 22:00:41 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Neil

To be transparent I will start by saying I am a Constitutional Libertarian in my political leanings. I own every CD Neil ever put out and have paid lots of money to see him play in concert. I have never donated a dime to Trump. I love Neil's music way more than I side with Trump. I tolerate politicians that I cant really stand. It is a shame that the tolerance does not go both ways. That's what makes free countries great - the ability to disagree. Neil sounded like the kid who takes his ball and goes home. He has every right to his opinion and should realize others do as well. Bruce and Roger Waters do this too and it drives me nuts - I love Bruce and Waters music and have paid lots of money to listen to their music. And to show you I am fair - I don't want to here Ted Nugent or Bono rant about politics either even tho they may be closer to my politics. I think Dylan always did it right- Let the music make you think rather than being so pompous as to think these stars have to think for us.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 21:50:35 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Weight - Wade Stanley

Bob......Hard to argue with that......I was thinking of just the raw rock n roll energy of it all but I can imagine having the Beatles blast out of that B&W set must have been something to see..........on the subject of great performances, a couple of months ago, while I was away, The Band Facebook page posted a YouTube performance by a guy named Wade Stanley doing "The Weight"...........staggeringly good.

I tried linking it here but it seems not to be taking. Just google Wade Stanley and The Weight.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 21:28:18 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Always The Beatles

Kev, that is a great Neil Young performance but nothing compares to The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. Changed the world.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 20:38:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Trump and irony are mutually exclusive.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 20:11:46 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

JT, I think you're right on the money when it comes to $$ and motivation. My feelings exactly.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:55:28 CEST 2015 from (136.167.102.175)

Posted by:

Dave H

Like the many American politicians who have blasted Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" at public rallies as a sign of their conspicuous patriotism, Mr. Trump's campaign appears to be unaware that, given the lyrics of the song's verses, the title of "Rockin' in the Free World" is meant to be somewhat ironic.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:33:10 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Keep On Rockin In The Free World

I am of the view that Neil's performance of the song on Saturday Night Live is the best 5 minutes of rock n roll ever seen on live television. Do check it out on YouTube.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:32:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Corrected

OK. I (most likely) stand corrected . My general cynicism remains, but Mr. Young has been fervent in the past and with his support of another candidate and his likely problem with the likes of this 'candidate', you are probably correct. My reflex in general is cynicism when it comes to this kind of stuff.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:13:55 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Donald Trump led the "birther" movement in the US for years. An odious collection of nut bars that relished in promoting an idea that the President of the United States was not really "one of us" but rather a "Kenyan" or a "foreigner"..........That was bad enough, but hey, maybe one could have made the case that he was just being mischievous......but Trump then spent months questioning the authenticity of Obama's academic achievements, wondering just how someone like him could have been accepted to prestigious schools, naming Harvard and others. Astonishing he would say, noting how the kids of friends of his were not accepted but this "from what I hear" C level student was........This sort of talk is racist code that just promotes a kind of division and hatred that has no positive value at all........I have absolutely no doubt about Neil Young disgust at hearing one of his songs being associated with this man.....none at all and I am certain that there were zero marketing considerations with making that point public.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 18:42:29 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Cynicism

George Carlin said a cynic is a frustrated idealist.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 18:09:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cynicism vs Optimism

Cynicism vs Optimism: A good sign and worthy of bookends. I'm usually optimistic but not about motivation when there is a $ sign attached. I could be wrong but I doubt it.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 17:59:45 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bravo to Neil Young. Hard to imagine a more uncomfortable feeling than having a song you care about used to walk out a cretin like Donald Trump. These things are not merely "background" noise but over time become strongly associated with the politician or fighter that uses them.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 17:46:33 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Carmen: What happened to all those hippies who in the 60's fought for independent thinking and individual freedom?

Well, at least I keep posting in this God forsaken gb. To younger gbers I like to say this: SEX is overrated, DRUGS I have not tried so I don't really have a qualified opinion and the best ROCK AND ROLL is Georg Friedrich Handel and Johann Sebastian Bach.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 16:50:05 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Freedom and independent thinking

Carmen: 'What happened to all those hippies who in the 60's fought for independent thinking and individual freedom?'

Even in the late 60s, I was dubious of that group of people and their motives and thinking regarding free thinking and freedom. With the exception of a very few, these were followers and hangers-on who maybe had some dream-like ideas about these values and like lemmings followed superb orators. 'Sex, drugs and (yes) rock and roll' was indeed the mantra and freedom and independent thinking were dragged along as convenient add-ons. This is understandable. I too grew my hair longer and grew a moustache for a time in late teens and early 20s, wanting to appear as part of the crowd. But I still remember standing in the crowd at my university listening to the leaders espousing extreme values with freedom at the core of the message. It was mixed up, putting down the establishment and its values (maybe that was needed to some degree then and still now), war, government and anything that resembled systemic organization. Anarchy was implied but there was never any description of what would replace what was in place. It was always 'pie in the sky' ideation with no semblance of sensible social replacement. I walked away from that gathering as a young student perplexed by how I would continue to live in that environment if what was proposed ever came to pass.

'Rocking In The Free World' is a testament to being able to get up in the morning and being able to think what you want independently. It is a great song with a great message. Neil Young can say what he wants and I wouldn't necessarily call him a dope. He knows how to get press.

I've been dubious about motives by most celebrities when they speak out in this way. Like many, I've felt this way since I was old enough to discern the difference between bullshit and the rare statement of social truth.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 16:07:09 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Neil Young & others

Neil Young is a dope - I love his music but who cares what songs play in the background of political events. I am no Trump fan but I am sure Neil has played in a few AC Casino's in his day. What happened to all those hippies who in the 60's fought for independent thinking and individual freedom?


Entered at Wed Jun 17 16:00:20 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Brill Bruisers' The New Pornographers

'Brill Bruisers' has been nominated for the Polaris Prize. An excellent album. Don't miss The New Pornographers in Brooklyn. Go to You Tube to get a taste of this band.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 14:46:58 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.64)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, this joker was taking pictures of people on a full train without asking their permission. Entered, then a bit later i notice him sitting & shooting away with a big smile on hi face. The train, or at least that part where we were, had far more women on it than anything.I'm looking at people, they were uncomfortable, and i guess afraid to say anything. And this joker is smiling while he shoots.Changing lenses, etc etc No one said a word. I was getting pissed, but, at this stage, unless there's a real good reason, or something is past a point, I mind my own business. I actually turned away for a minute, cause i was starting to boil, and not looking to get in a fight. But i didn't like that feeling of turning away, & turned back, After an easy 3 or 4 minutes since I first noticed, the guy swung to where i was probably in the shot. I very loudly told him I don't want my photo taken, lose the camera...No response. Still shooting... I shook him up pretty good. He starts putting the camera in his knapsack, then decides to declare independence and took the camera back out & begins to aim again... He realized the error of his ways.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 13:53:48 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Tom Jones

I think Tom Jones is a great entertainer. I see him as kind if a bridge between the first generation 50's rock and the British invasion. The comparison to Engelbert Humperdink is way off. I believe they shared a manager and label back in the 60's, but Engelbert was always MOR. Tom has done a lot of r&b and country.

When Elvis was getting ready to return to live performing in Vegas in 1969, he started checking out Tom's act and used it for the blue print for his own stage act.

Take a listen to this live version of 'Hard to handle'. I think it trounces the Black Crowes later cover.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 12:46:32 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Two Knights

Just checked, wondering why the C&W Tom Jones album he previewed last year hadn't appeared. I ran into an ad for "Bring It On Home" Van Morrison & Tom Jones In Concert together, O2 London, November. Van produced Tom's "Carrying A Torch" album and wrote four tracks. Their friendship dates back to their early days in London, both I guess being "Celtic Fringe" at the same time.


Entered at Wed Jun 17 10:46:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Only half a story …

'He put his camera away' … that's intriguing. What was happening with a camera that caused the altercation?


Entered at Tue Jun 16 23:19:08 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.194)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Truthfully, I've never swung low in my life. Wouldn't dream of it, unless the circumstances called for the most extreme emergency measure. But, when you know it's gonna happen, & you can tell, the first swing is critical. & it makes a big difference... I've not been in what I'd consider a lot of fights, a few in my teen years. A couple of stoopid unavoidable skirmishes the last decade. With morons half my age. But i did put my hands on some idiot on the train a few weeks back. Twice. It wasn't a fight. I scared the piss out of him. He was big. But he backed down & & put his camera away.

Mike, c'mon down sometime...Canucks have fared well in N.Y..:-)


Entered at Tue Jun 16 22:51:15 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.194)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

That's funny Kevin. I didn't know about Clarke being given that advice,, but my cousin ( on my stepfather's side) was good friends with Bobby Clarke. Probably still is. Brucie was a rarity, a great Jewish hockey player. Actually made the Flyers farm team ( grew up in the Philly end of Jersey) , but listened to his mother ( she's tough) and didn't sign, didn't go pro. But till then, all he lived for was hockey. Instead of continuing to be a hockey puck, he went into the meathead business, & became a multi millionaire. Anyway, Bruce & I both got our advice about fighting from my stepfather, who taught me how to catch a baseball by giving me a glove, standing about 7 or 8 feet away ( i was pretty young) , & throwing the ball at my face. I learned fast. Nothing beats on the job training.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:45:25 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"Elvis fans do/The Band fans don't" or rather The Band fans do and then deny they did by blaming either Robbie or Levon for making them do it.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:40:18 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.158)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Too late

Too late, Kevin. Just bought second series yesterday!


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:19:25 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Dunc.......I agree that the first season of the re-make was quite nicely done....a hint of the tawdriness that would follow but only a hint. Seasons 2 and 3 were embarrassing. I guess the writers figured that FU being a murderer just wasn't enough to shock US viewers....so adding being gay in season 2 might tip the scales a bit more and spitting at Jesus in season 3 would really put a stamp on the character's evil bona fides.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:10:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, last time we mentioned the "Elvis fans do" / "Cliff fans don't" a friend suggested "Jefferson Airplane fans do" / "Grateful Dead fans can't remember but would have been too stoned." You can extend the idea …


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:08:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Beatles v Stones thing started here with Elvis v Cliff, and the underlying teenage message was “Elvis fans did” / “Cliff fans didn’t”. That extended to John v Paul, then Stones v Beatles. I hadn’t heard Tom v Englebert, but I’m sure it existed, though not in my social circle.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:02:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Not a Day Tripper

Kevin & Kevin – Kevin Spacey’s spell as artistic director of the Old Vic has been glorious. His “Richard III” is one of the greatest performances I’ve seen in my life (linked). Another was Speed The Plow, in a double act with Jeff Goldblum. OK he finances his genuine commitment to live theatre by stuff like “Horrible Bosses” but it’s fair exchange. A whole parade of American screen actors do a vanity spell in London theatre, but Spacey has stuck to it, run a great theatre, introduced cheap tickets for students etc. He's been influential and central for a decade in British theatre.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 21:01:56 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Bobby Clarke taught me all I know, Kevin. And I continue to bear a scar above my right knee from Stan Makita. (Football, not hockey.) He could whack that stick, too. Good company for Jeff and me in search of a slice.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 20:54:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Penalties is another thing. We’re in a conservation area so every tree is listed and mapped and has a reference number. It used to be £500 for taking down a listed tree, then £2000 then £6000 … developers were taking down ten and happily handing over the fines because they were enabling (say) a retirement barracks with 60 flats to be built where a large house used to be. Finally they changed the penalty to unlimited … or up to the value of the development. Not that I think it’s ever been enforced at that level.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 20:53:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

......and Mike Nomad will know that a young Bobby Clarke was once given that advice and applied it with great enthusiasm in every city he ever laced up in !


Entered at Tue Jun 16 20:49:41 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.158)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Kevin

It is ridiculous, Kevin.

But although I thought the first House of Cards was brilliant, I did enjoy the first series of Spacey's 'House of Cards'.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 20:40:43 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.194)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike, in NYC, swing that stick first and go for the nuts or the head. Don't even think about it, just swing for the bleachers.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 19:53:18 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Tall Buildings.....

...it's even worse in Toronto where applications get approved for say a 12 story build and then after all the various community meetings have been held and all the same Biff's and Betty's have stomped their feet and eaten the cookies, the builders apply for amendments which typically add 50%-100% more floors. The catch is that the builder will be assessed a penalty, sometimes a few hundred thousand, often much more.......and the money is put into a "community fund" controlled by the city council member in the district where the now much bigger building is being built. Yes, hard to believe but all true. The result is out of control condo madness.

Knighthoods: As a little kid, I do remember an almost Stones v Beatles divide between Tom Jones and Engelbert Humperdinck camps........at least in my mind and sitting on the floor watching TV and just knowing that as goofy as Tom Jones looked, he did have more going on than Engelbert did.........Hard to believe though that the guy who sang "What's New Pussycat" while wiping his brow with women's panties is now a Knight Commander. Sir Tom........You shouldn't have moved to LA Rod !

Kevin Spacey........Honourary Knighthood. No arguing his talents as an actor or his contributions to Brtiish theatre but one would have thought that his involvement with the remake of "House of Cards" where he and the writers have literally pissed all over the memory of the great British mini-series and the character of Francis Urquhart that Sir Ian Richardson developed so wonderfully 25 years ago would be enough to disqualify from ever qualifying for an honour.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 19:25:29 CEST 2015 from (84.30.21.91)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: De Weerterbergen

Talking about gravity, there is this acre up on the hill ... belongs to this old farmer. It’s the most wanted piece of land in Germany. A sight of 40 miles easily. He he holds sheep there and doesn’t want to sell it. I wash his car every week.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 18:32:58 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

We've stopped a lot of battlefield encroachment by maintaining constant vigilance: committees are formed, tasks are delegated, pressure points are researched and politicians are harangued. Most importantly, the media are bombarded. Local support is also key. You'd have to get a lot more than 6000 signatures to throw heat. Someone should have been on the Promenade weeks before collecting sigs from the strollers. Also, it's never too late.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 18:15:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Because sea views (or glimpses) are crucial to value here on the South Coast, I've sat through so many planning meetings where the buildings "just got higher" - like on four stories the builders just "by mistake" added an extra two courses of brick on each floor … what? Are we suggesting the architects had two sets of plans? One for the planners with low ceilinged rooms and a low roofline, but a different set for the builders? Of course not! How could we say such a thing.

Like five times this week, and five times last week.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 17:25:59 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Brooklyn Bridge

Peter, your comment "most new builds turn out to be higher than the submitted plans"... absolutely dead-on. Plans negotiated & signed off by the Brooklyn Heights community were lower, then it tiptoed up during construction and now they're stuck with it. Such a pity...


Entered at Tue Jun 16 17:17:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, was it Bill M's remark that caused it?


Entered at Tue Jun 16 17:03:55 CEST 2015 from (84.30.21.91)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Last 24 hours of The Band GB

Mon Jun 15 07:03:43 CEST 2019
Jh announces to quit; The Band Site & Guestbook will disappear from the WWW today June 15 24:00:00 CEST.
People who want to copy a post or make a last comment have to hurry.

Mon Jun 15 08:03:43 CEST 2019
Bill M makes a remark.

Mon Jun 15 08:12:44 CEST 2019
Al reacts.

Mon Jun 15 09:09:44 CEST 2019
Peter V quotes from a personal email from jh.

Mon Jun 15 13:06:45 CEST 2019
Jh reports GB problems caused by hackers (‘denial of service attack’), log files indicate 15 to 17 IP addresses post 178 posts per minute. Bandwidth tripled, extra in-between site page placed as load balancer.

Mon Jun 15 16:04:44 CEST 2019
Rumors, speculations, accusations, tensions rise on the GB .

Mon Jun 15 20.04:12 CEST 2019
GB shut down for 55 minutes and 16 seconds.

Mon Jun 15 21.00:00 CEST 2019
GB opens again for the last time.

Mon Jun 15 23.15:12:44 CEST 2019
The big thank: Posters thanks another, thank The Band, and thank everything and everyone.

Mon Jun 15 23.59:34 CEST 2019
All GB posters sing DIXIE together for the last time.

Mon Jun 15 24.00:00 CEST 2019
The GB turns black, The Band site is history.

…………………AFTERMATH………………..

Wed Jun 17 21.04:12 CEST 2019
On The Grateful Dead GB someone posts about the tragedy of The Band GB.

Fri Jun 17 21.04:12 CEST 2019
No reactions on the WWW about the closure of The Band GB.

Fri Aug 19 22.04:12 CEST 2029
Someone on the WWW makes a remark about the ‘legendary Band GB'.

Sat Aug 19 22.04:12 CEST 2030
Bits of old GB posts emerge again on the WWW ……..

(Imagine....)

p.s. Jeff don't let them.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 16:23:00 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Just rewatched the Bridge video, Jeff. Absolutely right. Visual rape. No sane town planner would permit it. But one assumes the sweeteners on that one were massive. And it's there forever.

Another thing I found, time after time, is most new builds turn out to be higher than the submitted plans. Usually a builder decides the low angle pitch roof that finally got them planning permission on appeal, because neighbours could just see over it or rather just get light into their windows, just had to be changed "during construction" and is now a metre higher. But when the neighbors say "Hey, it's a metre higher" it's deemed unreasonable to insist they demolish and rebuild to plan. They should do it a few times, then developers might stick to plans. In all the meetings I went to, it never turned out to be lower than the plan.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 14:51:35 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Gowanus

Jeff A, you are one complicated dude, man. I'd love to go on a tour with you thru some of those mean streets. Perhaps in search of pastrami. Or a vodka pie. Will we need protection? I'm a Canuck, you know. All I can bring is a hockey stick. ;-)


Entered at Tue Jun 16 12:06:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Obviously some US cities have stringent planning of the British kind too … the French Quarter in New Orleans, and Oxford, Mississippi clearly has had years of careful control too.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 12:03:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Buying a view and Magna Carta

Town planning … the question of view comes up a lot here where on the sloping hills around the harbour, the 1950s developers built bungalows at the bottom with two storey houses one row back. In recent years people are demolishing the bungalows and putting up two or three storey houses, thus eliminating the sea view in the row behind. it’s a tricky question going back just about to Magna Carta (which as we were told by your Attorney-General yesterday on the 800th anniversary of the signing) also forms the basis of US law. You have a right to privacy, a right to light, but not a right to a view.

A cousin was a town planner and I was on the residents planning committee for years (a kind of watchdog over the planners). With the amount of high price development around here rumours of corruption abound BUT on the whole, walking around any old British city, you can see the benefits of stringent town planning. One thing British visitors notice in the USA is the haphazard nature of street furniture, the apparently unregulated signs and adverts and the maze of overhead wires in side streets. Virtually all British services in major cities are underground. If you go to Bath, the whole of the new shopping centre had to be built in Bath stone in a Georgian style. The car park had to be underground. The result friends tell me, that all the available Bath stone was used up, so if you live there and want to (say) add on to your house, you can only do it in Bath stone … and there isn’t enough produced, what with a huge hotel in Bath stone going up too.

France and Switzerland go one better … you can drive into an ancient city centre with cobbled streets, and see a discrete “P”, drive down a ramp and find five or six levels of car park completely hidden below ground. Though that’s what the Bath car park is like too … but just three levels.

MAGNA CARTA …

Mrs V got some ancestry chart from a relative who had spent years tracing the family back through centuries of rural poverty and drudgery and servitude till they finally hit nobility and traced it back to King John. Thus she finds much of the abuse King John gets on programmes on the Magna Carta personally insulting.

In vain I point out that every British family will apparently hit nobility within 500 years due to the aristocracy's habit of swiving (John Barth's excellent word) the servants.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 08:15:08 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.28)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Norbert - The Rat Bastards Actually Sold The View . See The Link

Rat Bastards! ...New meaning to selling someone The Brooklyn Bridge. ....they blocked one of the great views of it, and gave the view to the buyers........I know the wife of the Judge in the story....Brooklyn been sold to the developers & businessmen & it's getting sold over & over again. Apparently now they can steal a iconic view of the Brooklyn Bridge & get away with it. I remember when i was 14 or 15, someone bought my friends house, and then apparently paid off inspectors to raise a third floor that blocked the sun from hitting my other friend's family's backyard. And that's been happening all through Bklyn for the last 40 years, it's a daily occurrence, but now they go 4 to 6 stories, not just 3. This with the bridge though, this takes the cake..

Al, this'll be off the mark somewhat, & insufficient btu the other day you alluded to a common parochialism and devotion to our respective home cities.....It;s true...the Brooklyn aspect, we Brooklynites always knew we had a great thing, and had that strong bond. In place or on the move. Present , or unaccounted for.... thing is, we never dwelled on it, and we werent waving the flag. it just was that way. We were Nyers, we were Brooklynites, we grew up in the best place to be from. .You valued it, and you saw its value, And the older you got, you appreciate it even more, but you have perspective , you appreciate other places & people's... that's part of being and intelligent Brooklynite.... you know you ain't got a monopoly on being smart or wise or anything..... but what's going on now, the friggin newcomers & the businessmen have branded the name Brooklyn, and use it all day long where it's meaningless, like putting the name Staples on Staples Center, Citifield, etc etc etc. It seems every other business that has opened in the last decade is named Brooklyn so & so....it sucks, and the frigging infiltrators have bought the borough...brooklyn was always full of immigrants, but the age of branding & money, yuppies , Hipsters, business & real estate & branding geniuses,& now the age of yuckies, have bought & sold Brooklyn a million times over.

Change is inevitable. But it used to often be accompanied by meaning.

Are you guys familiar with this new company GENIUS? Their mission is to annotate the entire internet & the entire wordl. Jsut came up with 40 million in investor money. They are headquartered in Gowanus, next to the Gowanus canal. a now gentrified neighborhood where you had to have big clanging balls to walk down the street 20 - 40 years ago. even ten years ago. 5 years ago it was possibly still a questionable area . i could tell you Gowanus stories, been runnign around there forever. It also is a toxic area . The Gowanus Canal, well, google. These people that use Gowanus as a playground today, they would have shit their pants if their car broke down there 25 years ago. I mean they would have called for the National Guard to get em out alive. And they have the insensitivity & lack of character or possibly decorum to name a business Genius? What kind of genius would do that?


Entered at Tue Jun 16 06:34:15 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Tampa Bay is a great team, but our 3rd and 4th lines outplayed theirs by a wide margin. Kane dominated tonight, and Crawford was in a zone--Steve would have appreciated the effort. Just electric.


Entered at Tue Jun 16 05:32:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Perfect!

And what a great game they played... perfect!


Entered at Tue Jun 16 05:21:47 CEST 2015 from (24.114.59.153)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Chicago in 6, a wise man once said........

More on Knighthoods tomorrow.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 11:47:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Tom Jones live

Link to last year's Larmer Tree Festival review of Tom Jones … when he was covering John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Ry Cooder, Tom Waits, Hank Williams, Chuck Berry, Leonard Cohen, Randy Newman and Prince.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 11:42:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Sir Cliff

I've linked my Toppermost on Cliff Richard, mainly because he's not that familiar in North America, though here he stood with The Beatles and Elvis in terms of record sales and chart positions for years. Yes, he really went off but early on, he was great. I still would place his Please Don't Tease and Move It on (say) a compilation of 12 late 50s and early 60s greats and reckon it stands up with Buddy Holly, Eddie Cochran etc.

But the one to find is the CD Live At The ABC Kingston 1962. I have a special interest in live recordings of that era, and this really is a very good example of how well-recorded live music WAS possible, though so seldom done well.

Tom Jones can and does rock. He's long since returned to his roots as a rock singer rather then the MoR crooner career of the Tom Jones Show on TV. He was flat out rock at Larmer Tree Festival last year and is doing two nights this year such is the demand for tickets,


Entered at Mon Jun 15 11:25:41 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.158)

Posted by:

Lord Duncan of Camperdown

Location: Scotland

Subject: The Sirs

I think Sir Cliff and Sir Elton made a contribution to the story of British pop before one became obsessed with getting Christmas number ones and the other deteriorated so much he became a parody of himself.

For my age, Tom Jones was Mums and Dads' music before he got into shagging.

I would have loved the name 'Thane of Dundee'. I got a clear view of Dunsinane everytime I visited my grandad's high flat as a child.

I would have liked 'of that ilk' in my name and I would have liked to wear one of those berets with a huge feather at the front as favoured by the aristos. You could wear one in Edinburgh, but you wouldn't wear one in Glasgow.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 10:25:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Virgin Media (internet / film services?) vans all have names inscribed on the front just above the windshield. The two I see most around here are Van Morrison and Lee Van Cleef, but others note Obi Van Kenobi, Dick Van Dyke, Van Diesel, Luther Van Dross, Jean Claude Van Damme. They've been doing it for years. I assume they re-use the names in all their regions because they're spotted all over the UK. Picture at link.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 10:18:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Hmm. The Thane of Cawdor wouldn't be a positive association with the name Duncan.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 04:41:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The New Pornographers in Brooklyn NY

Don't miss The New Pornographers in Brooklyn NY on July 11, 2015 at the Prospect Park Bandshell (?free). Part of the "Celebrate Brooklyn' summer. We have seen them a number of times. They are in a word 'great'.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 03:46:39 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Knighthood

I hear that Van The Man will be knighted. He will henceforth be known as "Sir Man".

Kevin Spacey will now be known as Sir Spacey.


Entered at Mon Jun 15 02:45:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thane

perhaps the thane of Cawdor?


Entered at Mon Jun 15 00:44:16 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: It's your life, but I suggest you act fast and grab the 'Laird' designation. If not, best shave and get your kilt out of storage.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 23:30:00 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I just realized that I did the Toppermost for Sir Tom, Sir Cliff and, with Rob the Organ, Sir Elton. Oh, and Sir Van.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 23:25:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Laird Dunc

There is a website where you can buy one square foot of highlands and you get a certificate entitling you to call yourself Laird or Lady of Glencoe. Of course there may be thousands of others.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 21:37:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert- something you wrote almost sings without clipping. " who wants to live forever if he can get a beer near Times Square? "
Depending on where some one would end up, there's many possible variations..
."who wants to live forever if you can get a beer near Times Square? "
"do you want to live forever or get a beer in Times Square? "

That could also be dialogue in a scene....... "Jeesus Christ! We're in Times Square! Whaddya, wanna live forever or get a fucking beer?"


Entered at Sun Jun 14 21:17:07 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.158)

Posted by:

Sir Duncan of Lochee of that Ilk

Location: Scotland

Subject: Knighthoods

I gave up my knighthood to revert to the name of Dunc, Mike. Not a great one for knighthoods or gongs.

I don't really like Sir Elton John, Sir Tom Jones or Sir Cliff Richards. I find all these entertainers boring. I think Sir Tom got his knighthood for shagging. But I don't lose sleep over people being given them.

But what angers me greatly is the House of Lords and the fact that I'm being ruled by an old Etonian prime minister with a bunch of public schoolboys as ministers in the 21st century. Can't stand it.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 19:33:49 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Dialogue with a four-year-old Eloise: I'm Princess mommy. Mommy that's very good Eloise but I am the Queen


Entered at Sun Jun 14 19:32:43 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Jonas Salk (Polio Vaccine)

Precisely 20 years ago he died, he came from NYC and his name is Jonas Salk and maybe he saved your life or your brother’s life ….he could have been rich, but he only wanted to save lives……and he did, he saved more than one million people ….

“In 1947, Salk accepted an appointment to the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. In 1948, he undertook a project funded by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis to determine the number of different types of polio virus. Salk saw an opportunity to extend this project towards developing a vaccine against polio, and, together with the skilled research team he assembled, devoted himself to this work for the next seven years. The field trial set up to test the Salk vaccine was, according to O'Neill, "the most elaborate program of its kind in history, involving 20,000 physicians and public health officers, 64,000 school personnel, and 220,000 volunteers." Over 1,800,000 school children took part in the trial.[4] When news of the vaccine's success was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a "miracle worker" and the day almost became a national holiday. Around the world, an immediate rush to vaccinate began, with countries including Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, West Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Belgium planning to begin polio immunization campaigns using Salk's vaccine.

His sole focus had been to develop a safe and effective vaccine as rapidly as possible, with no interest in personal profit. When asked who owned the patent to it, Salk said, "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"

Dr.Salk, thanks (my father had polio).


Entered at Sun Jun 14 18:37:30 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: NYC Crime

Jeff, they won’t sell you nothing ;-)

And I know that NYC since the Bronx burned, abortion and petrol lead is much safer now.

Anyway Jeff be careful out there, you still have Bankers, Policemen and Pizzas ready to kill you. Then again, and just sometimes, I envy you a little and who wants to live forever if he can get a beer near Times Square?


Entered at Sun Jun 14 16:58:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norb, that the author of your quote writes " His favorite object for sale was the Brooklyn Bridge, which he sold twice a week for years" raises eyebrows as to either the accuracy or, less likely, why he'd stop at two. For example, in the unlikely event that is accurate,did the cops allow him two sales a week, or would he stop at two cause it was enough, or he didn't want to push his luck, or both.

Mind you, there is a world of difference between a con man, and a con merchant.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 15:46:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: I almost bought The Brooklyn Bridge

“Parker was one of the most audacious con men in American history. He made his living selling New York’s public landmarks to unwary tourists. His favorite object for sale was the Brooklyn Bridge, which he sold twice a week for years. He convinced his marks that they could make a fortune by controlling access to the roadway. More than once police had to remove naive buyers from the bridge as they tried to erect toll barriers”

So the next time Jeff offers you The Brooklyn Bridge here, beware…..


Entered at Sun Jun 14 12:16:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Regional identification on car plates feeds road rage. I’ve had it in Barcelona in Spain with Madrid plates, in Southern Italy with Florence plates, and in Northern Italy with Naples plates. And anywhere in France with Paris plates. It also means your car is way more likely to be robbed. The old British system was randomly encoded … Bournemouth was LJ and RU and (I think) ER but because there was no logic to it, they were anonymous. Then some idiot decided we would add regional identification … H for Hampshire and Dorset. It’s a dumb idea.

You’re stuck with it in the USA with state plates, though I find them colourful and interesting, but still out of state plates shout “tourist” and “luggage in trunk” especially if from a long way away. As well as feeding road rage.

Mind you they also create friendly conversation in the USA. We picked up a rental car with Florida plates in Las Vegas and several people referred to it in Arizona and California, one saying “I guessed you might be British when I saw the Florida plates.”


Entered at Sun Jun 14 11:45:28 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Register Plate Blues

I'd like to add following: I have driven a car with Paris plates in Marseille. Impossible! I share their attitude against arrogant people from the capital BUT WHY ME???!!! - Is there any blues on that? Or even better, a rap? Monsieur MC, please.


Entered at Sun Jun 14 02:05:31 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Just in case The Queen gets ideas. I hereby rescind the Knighthood I have previously bestowed upon Pete, Sir Petah Tex is now just a memory. Now there are no roadblocks to the real thing......

I'll even add, that in the event Pat is ever knighted, i want to be the first GBer to address him as Sir Patrick......


Entered at Sun Jun 14 00:44:14 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: This knighthood thing...

... reminds me of my favourite question during my years in teacher profession: "When did the French Revolution end?" I hope that at least one student will remember the right answer the rest of his/her life: "It has not ended yet." - Frenchmen have still the style. I drove a car with Swiss plates in French Alps last week and suddenly a 'camion' touched my rear bumper and then pushed me harder downwards the winding road. That was what I call 'esprit'!


Entered at Sat Jun 13 23:37:00 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: "By your leave, sir"

Norbert: "By your leave, sir".


Entered at Sat Jun 13 22:02:07 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Belfast

Subject: '71

This knighthood thing longs my to see the movie ’71. Sort of a modern knight fighting for his life. Anyway they say it’s an Impressive, fiercely realistic, film about the grisly (civil) war in Northern Ireland back then.

“1971 saw me stride the Falls Road in the funeral cortege of Paddy McAdorey, an IRA volunteer shot dead by a British sniper on internment morning. It was my first IRA funeral. There would be many more. Having later joined the IRA, on whose behalf I would spend almost 20 years in prison, I feel the need to explain to my children how I came of age. The screen of ’71 is a window on the ferocious intensity that transformed British and Irish kids into killers.”

JT, welcome Sir!


Entered at Sat Jun 13 21:46:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Titled

Nothing can stop me now

'Cause I'm the Duke of Earl


Entered at Sat Jun 13 21:34:08 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Sir Norbert

Web: My link

Those titles are great ... just bought one meself (link).


Entered at Sat Jun 13 21:08:59 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Legends

Scorsese legend The Band in 1976 ….

But what about this Foo Fighter guy in Gothenburg ……….. jumps off stage? ……….. breaks his leg………goes to the hospital comes back with a gypsum leg and plays on .

That’s how Dave Grohl became a legend yesterday evening in Sweden.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 20:16:28 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.145)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Van the Brand

Think of the merch for the next American Tour, all labelled 'Sir Van USA'.

I'm with Mike, who I doubt minds countries giving their achievers awards as much as the cringe-worthy practice of sticking a medieval title in front of an existing name and having everyone else address the person by it.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 19:41:42 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I accept the rationales put forth by Peter and Jerry. I just don't find them overly convincing. But thank you. I would think that money, fame, celebrity and fan adulation might seem like enough in terms of personal gratitude. But what the f--- do I know? About anything, really. I'll await some adjudication on this matter from the Scottish contingent here, Dunc and Al. Their opinions might count, at least for me.

Funny, Jeff.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 19:30:32 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Three Bells …

RIP Jim Ed Brown. This time last year I was watching him at the Grand ole Opry.(Linked). Nothing more was heard of Mo Pitney who we thought was an imminent megastar.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 19:26:10 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

A grandmother was pushing her grandchild around a store in a buggy. Each time she put something in the basket, she would say, "And here is something for you, Diploma," or "This will make a cute little outfit for you, Diploma," and so on.

Eventually a bewildered shopper who had heard all this finally asked, "Why do you keep calling your grandchild Diploma?"

The grandmother replied, "I sent my daughter to college and this is what she came home with


Entered at Sat Jun 13 19:25:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It's not phony, Mike. Honours for politicians are often phony, but now we have "people recommended" honours where ordinary folk can be honored if people explain why, such as the Ebola nurse honored this time. If you look at he list of music and theatrical knights they all had to do something remarkable to be honored. Van won't be looking at politicos, but his peers … Sir Tom, Sir Paul, Sir Mick, Sir Elton, Sir Cliff, Dame Vera Lynn. It's pretty good company.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 18:58:14 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 2015... but it still matters

Mike: I share your sentiment regarding 'knighthood'. It is 2015 and really... what does it matter? The art speaks for itself. And yet for the establishment to (for whatever reason) recognize this body of work in the arts says that Van Morrison matters to the UK and should not be ignored. That's what I like about it. It says that (as we all know) Van Morrison is important in the art of music.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 18:50:08 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: knighthoods

It's the 21st century, folks. Does anyone really give a shit about these things anymore? Another phony honor? A star on a sidewalk? Give me a break . . .


Entered at Sat Jun 13 18:49:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sr Van and Sir Kevin

Delighted also that Kevin Spacey gets an honorary knighthood (being a US citizen I don't think he can call himself "Sir" but he can put it after his name) for his great service to English Theatre in the last few years, running the prestige Old Vic Theatre as artistic director.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 18:49:45 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Sir Ivan [Ho, ho]

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jun 13 18:00:25 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Sir Van. Imagine that.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 15:51:05 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sir Belfast cowboy

A fitting knighthood! The Belfast cowboy rides proudly into the sunset. On his way to Toronto in the next short while.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 15:48:50 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: JRR

Lisa: I met JRR at Indigo on Bay Street many years ago (BEG was there). He was gracious and kind. He remembered the Concord days and though few words were possible because of the lineup, he was very gracious and positive. I reminded him that he recommended my first guitar to my dad and he smiled that knowing smile (my interpretation of course). Thanks for your recollection.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 14:04:44 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Search for Garth

As most of you know by now at the moment we‘re working on a (German) The Band beer with The Band Bottle Flipp Caps on the inside of the caps as a Maru Menko.

There will by five different The Band Bottle Flipp Caps, each member gets his image on one side of the plastic Flipp. Each Band member gets a batch of 100,000 pieces printed, worth 3 points. The Garth Flipp will consist of a batch of only 10.000 pieces and is worth 4 points.

So Garth will be the collector’s item to encourage moderate drinkers to pop open extra bottles in search of Garth (I'm looking for him right now).


Entered at Sat Jun 13 12:24:04 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Sir Van

Congratulations to Van The Man.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 11:37:52 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Down Under

Subject: Das Steigerlied

Glück auf, Glück auf ! Der Steiger kommt,
und er hat sein helles Licht bei der Nacht,
und er hat sein helles Licht bei der Nacht
schon angezündt, schon angezündt.

Wir Bergleut‘ sein, kreuzbrave Leut‘,
denn wir tragen das Leder vor dem Arsch bei der Nacht,
denn wir tragen das Leder vor dem Arsch bei der Nacht
und saufen Schnaps, und saufen Schnaps!


Entered at Sat Jun 13 10:34:42 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Men

Men take you in their arms
Men provide security
Men cry in secre
Men need a lot of tenderness
Oh men are so vulnerable
Men simply can't be replaced in this world

Men buy women
Men are always high
Men toil like idiots
Men lie on the phone
Oh men are always ready
Men corrupt with their money and their carelessness

Men have it rough, don't take things seriously
Outside hard, inside quite soft
Programmed already from childhood to be a man
When is a man a man?
When is a man

Men have muscles
Men are terribly strong
Men can do everything
Men have heart attacks
Oh men are lonely champions
Have to go through walls, always have to go on

(Männer, Herbert Grönemeyer)

Lisa, thanks.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 06:48:45 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sir Van

About time too! Tom Jones, Cliff Richard, Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney and Elton John have one.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 02:27:03 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Lisa, really great.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 01:38:15 CEST 2015 from (86.25.174.112)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Here Comes The Knight

Arise Sir Van - Belfast Cowboy to receive knighthood🎷


Entered at Sat Jun 13 01:26:37 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thank you Todd, and everyone else. brown eyed girl, I hope you still check in even if you don't post - I was thinking specially of you when I wrote it.


Entered at Sat Jun 13 01:15:28 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Lists

Link is to "20 Albums RS Loved in the 70s that You've Never Heard". I've heard half a dozen. Only owned "Fanny Hill". Eponymous albums by Wilderness Road and Blue Ash (?Jug) draw comparisms to the Band.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 23:56:17 CEST 2015 from (184.66.101.38)

Posted by:

BONK

That whole conversation was just about the most fucking absurd thing I'v seen on this site in 15 years!!!


Entered at Fri Jun 12 22:41:32 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Happy Friday

Thanks John D, Jed, and Mike Nomad for supporting my viewpoint on this matter. Boylan's all around! Put it on Kevin J's tab.
It's a a rare thing when I get accused of making sense, but occasionally I stumble into it. At others times I step in in, but that's another matter.

There are many other people here who also make good points and make sense, so I don't want to claim all the glory. Plus I was only 10 years old when 'The Last Waltz' was performed, and I never saw the original 5 perform, so I'm really just a "Johnny come lately", and my opinions should be taken as such.

Lisa, thank for your post about meeting Robbie and some of the conversation that you had with him. That's exactly the type of thing that this forum is well suited for, and gives some nice additional insight into the people involved with The Band, that typical interviews and books can't always reach. Nice job.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 22:35:32 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

FWIW, I think the whole conversation about anti-semitism and racism is unfounded.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 22:23:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

John D, I can imagine Wallsend on a Dead site taking shots at Jerry because for years I've watched people come here and take shots at RR. No imagination needed.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 21:15:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, thanks, Lisa, that was new information.

The amazon quote was as in the description, but I'd assumed he meant a Summer job too.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 21:00:05 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Absorbing account, Lisa. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 20:43:45 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Robbie's carnival experience

I've mentioned before that I attended a Q and A session with Robbie in 1993 at a now-defunct music event in Vancouver called Music West, where he was the keynote speaker. I was the last questioner in a long line of people, and I asked him about his experiences making Carny.

He said that as a teenager he had worked in a carnival, and I assumed as Bill said that he was referring to a summer job at the CNE midway. He said it was an interesting, but rather dark (he didn't elaborate) experience which he drew on while the movie was being made. He also said that it was part of his job when they were filming to run interference between the actual carnies who appeared in Carny and the film crew - apparently the movie crew often fell victim to the carnies, who couldn't resist plying their trade, and would come running to him - "He got my watch!", etc. - so he had his hands full trying to keep the peace.

I also asked him how he had prepared himself for acting, and he said that Robert De Niro had referred him to Stella Adler, who had invited him up for a weekend to give him some lessons. He had decided not to follow up on this, and although he didn't come right out and say it, the implication was that she had more in mind than coaching. Now, this was just my interpretation I should say - maybe he meant something else entirely, but he was a very attractive guy, so ...

And I asked him about working with Alex North, who wrote the dramatic underscore for Carny (it's always had for me a tip of the hat to Stravinsky's ballet score for "Petrouchka", which is also set in a carnival). He said that by then he was fairly old, and rather impatient with the interminable delays inevitable on a movie set. He said at one point Mr. North came up to them and said, "These guys - they take forever, and it drives me nuts ... anybody got a joint?", which I thought was pretty funny.

After the session, something happened that's always stayed with me: I was standing in line waiting to get my program autographed. When the man in front of me stepped up he said to Robbie, "I just want to shake your hand, man", and he was so overcome he was literally trembling with emotion. I'll never forget the look they exchanged, and though I've tried many times I've never found the right word to describe it ... deep? significant? compassionate? All those, I guess, and more. I'm sure that man never forgot that moment, and neither have I.

I have to say that all throughout this session, which went well over the time allotted, Robbie was wonderful - told funny stories, was patient and kind to everyone, never had a bad word to say about anyone (I don't remember anybody asking him about Levon, but I don't think their rift was general knowledge at the time), was very helpful and generous with professional advice, etc., etc. I left in a pretty emotional state myself, with a very high opinion of him - a very impressive person in every respect.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 20:03:53 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Just one more thing

My last post isn't just about Levon. It's about Rob and the other guys. Unlike some of you I am a fan and love the music of The Band. Don't have time to pick on or delve into ndividual members traits. None of us were in that Band of Brothers.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 19:57:33 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Todd

At the risk of really setting myself up, I applaud you Todd for your wonderful post. A voice of reason. Finally a ray of intelligence here. Wallsend came here months ago with an agenda and it now is getting quite creepy. Bringing racism and antisemitism into this site is ludicrous. Wallsend brought back the fued a few months back (boring) and now is taking it to a bazaar level. I've known the Band for almost 50 years and Wallsends way of thinking has never been mentioned. As Peter said, no one even knew about Robbie's First Nation situation; until he recorded about it.

Ronnie Hawkins told me that he always knew; because he got to know Mrs. Robertson first. "The topic was never brought up because it had nothing to do with Rock and Roll John." " Robbie could make it known on his terms and that's exactly what happened." You know if I was just discovering The Band I would find this site over the past while, very strange. Can you imagine Wallsend on a Grateful Dead site taking shots at Jerry Garcia all the time? Wouldn't be tolerated.

Sorry for being so wordy but; I just couldn't hold back any longer. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this. Bill M knows the history of The Band/Hawks better than anyone. Notice Sebastian doesn't post here anymore. Embarrassing. Fire In The Hole.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 19:37:44 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.11)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

Subject: working at the carnival

Peter V: It'd be interesting to know what the actual quote was. If Robbie had said to any Torontonian aged 50 or older that he'd worked at the Ex for two years, we'd all know he'd worked AT the Canadian National Exhibition during its annual three-week run on two consecutive years. But a journalist from elsewhere, once they'd established that the Ex, especially the busy and exciting 'midway', was like a carnival, may well have thought and written that Robbie'd worked at a carnival FOR two years. The Ex was and is in the west end on the lake. All Robbie would have needed to do to get there from First Avenue was walk a couple blocks west to Broadview and catch the King streetcar to Strachan or Dufferin and walk south for five minutes. My guess would be Dufferin, because King and Dufferin was where his buddy Peter Deremigis lived. I can see Robbie the hustler working at one of the game booths (where people pay to throw things and win stuffed toys) whereas I wanted my friend's job - walk around poking up bits of litter with a sharpened stick.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 19:33:03 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I agree, Jeff. This guy was driving all round the country … Wales isn't large, but neither are the roads good or easy once you're off the South Coast … the sheer exhaustion of pitching it to petrol stations and souvenir shops so they took half a dozen copies (on sale or return) is mind boggling.

On the other hand, the big publisher was paying 10% of price received. In the "old days" that was 10% of 70% of the cover price. Now it'll be 10% of 50% or less. But half for book club sales. You pay to put it in the windows or on the "hot list" of major chains … a lot too. So the returns on a paperback were tiny. I got the impression that driving around gave him lots of thinking time … rural Wales is very peaceful.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 19:10:32 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, the tale of the historical writer- money matters, if you can't live, you can't produce. But, when the writer, songwriter, musician, artist of any kind, has to spend the great majority of their time selling, promoting, trying to hustle a buck, they don't get to produce more work. They might/ will get windows here & there, they might/ will get inspiration, thoughts, musings, muses, here & there, but, the time, to hunker down and work, wanes or disappears. Of course, sometimes you pull the car over and just work, but there's alot more to any kind of creativity, writing, working, especially if other people, their times, their peculiarity are involved. You know from whence i speak.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 18:59:11 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Wallsend, It's quite noble to speak out against racism and hatred, and I'm sure the stories that your father shared with you were truly horrific. A sad chapter in the story of mankind that should never be experienced again.

That said, I disagree with the notion that the majority of Levon's fans, who may agree with his perspective on the songwriting issue, are motivated by anything to do with Robbbie's ethnic heritage or religious background, and that to compare it in any way with the the genocide that happened during the Holocaust is quite an overstep. It's also a disservice tho those who suffered losses during that time to draw the parallel to the Levon & Robbie situation which is primarily a business squabble.

I hesitated comment again on this, but I felt somewhat unsettled by the comparison / insinuation.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 18:12:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Advance Booking

Yes, it's getting to be an issue when you have to book so far ahead … we have the Kenneth Branagh Theatre season booked up until May 2016. That's the way things are turning up. You books months ahead - virtually a year ahead.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 17:30:03 CEST 2015 from (86.25.174.112)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham

Subject: Bellowhead

Thanks Peter. I bought tickets easily for Wolverhampton. Not sure where I'll be in April so I'll wait and maybe get returns later. Like you I failed to get Dylan at Southampton.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 14:44:21 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sounds like Mrs. V has a good sense of humor, acidity and all.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 13:17:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Roll Alabama Roll

You have to try the new video (they had a different one last year) for Roll Alabama Roll- beautifully put together with concert clips in there showing why Bellowhead keep getting voted the Best Live Band in Britain. And they are.

This might be one for Al Edge, with the Alabama built in Birkenhead as a Confederate raider in the Civil War (with a partly Liverpool crew too). Liverpool to Dixie Down in one song.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 13:06:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

Note for the UK … Bellowhead's "Farewell Tour" tickets are on sale for November to April 2016. I went to Ticketmaster - 1 seat left, then went to the venue site and the seated area was only half full … so go direct to whichever venue. An unmissable band!

Link is to their best-known song and normal set-ender. This is a song everyone needs to hear on a Friday!


Entered at Fri Jun 12 12:40:49 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

PLUS Leonard Cohen, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, Carole King, Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller, Neil Sedaka, Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil, Doc Pomus, Mort Schuman, Phil Spector … it is a remarkable percentage of late 20th century songwriters.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 11:09:20 CEST 2015 from (219.89.33.229)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Jews

Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Robbie Robertson and no doubt dozens of others. Those guys sure punch above their weight.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 09:57:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks for the Apple Music link, Jeff. It leads me too …

Yesterday my grandson (10th birthday) was playing around with the iTunes playlist in my car. ‘What’s Americana?’ he asked.

‘Try it,’ I said, and up came ‘Sixteen Tons.’ He listened intently all the way through and asked ‘What does “I owe my soul to the company store” mean?’ I explained about mining corporations and how the mines were in remote places, so the miners got paid but then had to buy all the necessities of life from the company-owned store at inflated prices.

Mrs V chipped in (somewhat acidly I felt), ‘It’s like when granddad relies 100% on amazon and apple to publish books, then spends all the money he gets on buying CDs from them.’

In fact, my brief experience of publishing through amazon is very good … not sold many yet, but the process is smooth, and I was delighted with the quality of the print-on-demand books. Good paper, good covers, well-bound, good prices. and the free software makes conventional publishing look very skewed.

Amazon keep suggesting that having a "free week" is great publicity, but I've avoided it on the grounds that there are a load of people who want ebooks free, but they are unlikely to be the ones to purchase later. I guess that relates to Apple's proposed free three months. I can see why the indies are reluctant … they don't have huge or wide catalogues and will simply give away their best stuff.

I thought of a seminar on independent publishing a couple of years ago. This guy had done a series of historical novels based in early 19th century Wales and had worked extremely hard taking them round and placing them in bookshops, museum shops, petrol stations … anywhere with local interest. He moved around 5000 of the first one and got signed to a major publisher who reissued it. They soon sold 60,000. BUT he made more money on the 5000 he published himself. A salutary tale.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 09:08:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pinch of salt

Delighted to see Carny is finally coming on CD, though with no bonus tracks, as I have the vinyl, I doubt I'll buy it. But I was fascinated by the amazon details:

QUOTE: Robertson had himself spent two years working at a carnival in his teens, so it was a subject near and dear to his heart UNQUOTE

That must be where he first met Bob Dylan then, who mentioned in that early radio interview that he'd done the same.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 08:12:17 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Apple Msuic first three months free, & aside from that, no artist royalties


Entered at Fri Jun 12 08:10:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.155)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Jimmy Iovine's take on Apple Music's Actual Motive: See the link


Entered at Fri Jun 12 07:01:31 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Carny

The 'Carny' soundtrack is coming out on cd in August.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 05:02:09 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.91)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bob F: Many thanks, I wouldn't have believed this coming from just about anyone else but YouTube has it all there ! The "Highway to Hell" is quite lame - though no doubt would have been fun live...but the cover of Bee Gees "Stay'n Alive" is just brilliant ! I'd recommend everyone to check it out......Interesting that that song was always one I turned up during that era when so much of the disco playlist was hard to take.


Entered at Fri Jun 12 04:30:29 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Bruce in Australia

Speaking of Australia there is a great Springsteen download available from Brisbane 2014 where Bruce opens the show with Stayin' Alive and encores with Highway to Hell. Two great covers. Great show from start to finish.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 23:48:20 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Delusional Comedy

We've entered a nice place of delusional comedy.If you're a Seinfeld fan think George Costanza or Larry David's Curb Episode,The Survivor Pesach Dinner.Nice touch,Wallsend!


Entered at Thu Jun 11 23:04:33 CEST 2015 from (58.104.14.99)

Posted by:

Wallsend

When I was a teenager I often used to discuss politics with my dad. During WWII he was in the RAF and as a part of that he had occasion to visit the Belsen concentration camp shortly after it was liberated. What he told me I won't repeat here. Being young and naive I used to say that those responsible were not just the people who actively committed the crimes but all the people who stood by and said nothing. My dad said that this was too judgmental and that people turned their eyes away because they were scared, especially they were scared for their own families. In hindsight, he was right. However, it is a conversation that has always stayed with me. That is why now I think it is always best to speak out against racism. This is very topical in Australia now where there have been quite a few racially motivated verbal and physical attacks on people on public transport. In quite a few instances other passengers have taken a stand to defend the person being attacked. Every time I hear one of those stories I remember the conversations with my dad.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 22:04:22 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Todd

Well said,Todd.Wallsend,from day 1 he arrived here has made every effort to find all sorts of ways to redirect conversation to any aspect he can find related to the feud.Anti semitism or racism is merely his latest angle.Im pleased that many are clearly on on his tactics.A person who seeks to focus on negatives cant be up to anything good.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 21:50:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Marlon Brando using "cue cards" on the Godfather photo that Carmen linked … we used to call them "Idiot boards" and it was considered a deep disgrace for actors to resort to using them. I've used them when an actor was feeling ill and dizzy (not her fault), and in another where we employed a very elderly character actor, though in his case his eyesight was so bad he couldn't read them either, so we simply recorded me giving him the line off camera and him repeating it … but they were really looked down on.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 21:40:13 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Not Band Related

Every one of these movies were funny as hell - now I know why they were so good!


Entered at Thu Jun 11 21:34:40 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Strong comparison to the BAND

Anyone ever hear of this one?


Entered at Thu Jun 11 20:03:45 CEST 2015 from (84.215.166.230)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Rebel Yell!

Thank you, Gabbington! Also for the ultra-rare stuff -- priceless sh*t, my good man. "Goin' South" with bourbon tonight :-)


Entered at Thu Jun 11 19:17:31 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

If this sounds strange I'm using DragonDictate and it makes some funny mistakes that I don't catch. As far as anti-Semitism goes it exists. I went to school in Ohio and I found many people would never even met you. I had to explain that no I didn't have a nose job they were not wicked just ignorant. I have encountered less anti-Semitism lately. Part of it is that the ultra Christian right needs toi have these Israel survive and the Jews is written in the end of days so therefore they have to be nicer to us. I was very amused when my niece married a guy whose father was a true bigot. It is the biggest redneck I've ever seen in his children to be nice but he had to


Entered at Thu Jun 11 18:15:29 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

The Bobby Keys autobiography sheds a little more light on Levon's time in LA before his 1967 return to the fold. He and Keys had a blues band together with JJ Cale, Jesse Ed Davis, Jimmy Markham and Gary Gilmore. They gigged "Lots of weekend and lots of Sunday afternoons..." One early morning gig was with James Drury from The Virginian. Keyes and Levon lived together, and Levon gave some deep advice about Bobby playing more like a harmonica player like Little Walter. A really great book, btw.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 18:08:10 CEST 2015 from (76.71.5.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Some laughter maybe....and on theme - tip-toeing in non-white territory...

A man had two of the best tickets for the Augusta Masters.

As he sits down, another man comes along and asks if anyone is sitting in the seat next to him.

"No", he says, "the seat is empty."

"This is incredible!" said the man, "who in their right mind would have a seat like this, the biggest golfing event of the whole world, and not use it?"

He says, "Well, actually, the seat belongs to me. My wife always would come with me, but she passed away. This is the first Masters we haven't been to together since we got married." "Oh... I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible. I guess you couldn't find someone else?.. a friend or relative or even a neighbor to take the seat?"

The man shakes his head......."No. They're all at the funeral."


Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:44:12 CEST 2015 from (174.88.219.111)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Time to cut the bullshit!

Thanks, Todd. It's good to hear some sense expressed on this page


Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:55:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We haven't heard from Norm for a while either, or Lars for longer. Miss them all too.

I mentioned in the Jubilation review here that I thought "If I Should Fail" was insensitive (at best) or provocative (at worst) given Robbie's then recent Native Americans work.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:53:58 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Dear Landlord

Mr Zimmerman and Mr. Grossnan had a falling out over money as well, but I'm pretty sure that it was a business disagreement. Not everything in the world is based upon racial, ethnic, or religious differences, although there will always be those who look for that angle. Requires less thinking I suppose, and many humans are fundamentally lazy when it comes to reasoning.

Many people agree with Robbie's perspective regarding anything to do with Levon's claims, but it would be silly to think that it has anything to do with a bias against white Southerners, or people from Arkansas.

Likewise, it's unfair to paint Levon supporters with the broad brush of racism or anti-Semitic beliefs.

Untill Wallsend mentioned it, I never thought about Robbie as the only "non white" in the group. So what color is his skin? Furthermore, why should it matter? Seems to be a diversion to me, which is unfair to everyone.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:09:48 CEST 2015 from (216.121.189.31)

Posted by:

Sarah MacLean

Subject: Missing Persons

I miss :

brown eyed girl, an RRian like myself

Empty Now ,miss trying to figure out what he was talking about.

Roz,I always picture Roz as Truman Capote in drag .


Entered at Thu Jun 11 13:56:41 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Jews for Levon

Peter, I am a 'Jew for Levon'. I like that phrase. I might start a facebook group under that moniker.

It goes without saying that Levon's issues with Robbie over the years were not related to Robbie's ethnic background. The sad fact is that there is no shortage of hatred online, be it anti-semtism, racism, or hatred towards the lgbt community. The fact that Robbie has been the target of some anti-semitic posts isn't surprising. I would imagine that Albert Grossman, Dylan, Neil Diamond and any other Jew associated with the Band has also been the subject of the occasional anti-semitic post.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 10:15:21 CEST 2015 from (58.104.6.7)

Posted by:

Wallsend

In Australia we call this kind of thing 'dog-whistle politics'. I am not sure if the term is used elsewhere. Saying Robbie and Albert 'stuck together' on the surface doesn't seem all that bad but for a certain group of people it is a code which has a completely different meaning. As I said before, maybe I am reading too much in to it in the case of our guys. It is certainly something that goes on a lot in main stream politics.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 09:42:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It’s hard to discuss this sort of stuff rationally without people “going off on one” as my kids say. Some of the most ardent Levon supporters are Jewish, and I’m sure Levon had no “racist” slurs intended. The trouble is, on this one, the words “racist” and “anti-semitic” come in fast and they’re big, loaded words.

I do think that a lot of the vitriol spewed against Robbie has an undertone from some people, though some of the vitriol is from Jewish people so can't have.

Let’s escape the prickly area of native Americans and Jews, and take two British examples. If I said “In that band Hamish and Jock were always counting the pennies” I think most would take it as a reference to Scottishness, assisted by the names chosen. If I said Algernon and Peregrine sat in the wine bar sipping pink gins discussing the appalling rise in the price of talcum powder, I think you’d take it that they were (Southern) English.

There is continual mention of Grossman and Robbie “sticking together” and both “having an eye on the money” or indeed “got all the money” which may be on the same sort of level, assisted by the name that Mr Grossman’s ancestors failed to change at Ellis Island. I suspect those who point to it are indeed making an “ethnic” slur, whether conscious (it probably is) or unconscious (being charitable). The problem is that if the remark was to being Scottish or English, you’d shrug it off as an ignorant slur. In both the cases of Mohawks and Jews history has added a far stronger dimension. It may be excessive to interpret the level as either anti-semitism or “The only good injun is …”

On the Native American aspect, I don't think most people even knew until "Contact From The Underworld of Red Boy" / "Music For "The Native Americans."'


Entered at Thu Jun 11 07:15:16 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jed, I was ignoring it and was giving Kevin the benefit of the doubt- thinking maybe Kevin was just worn on drinking alone & figured if he had some company some one might understand him. but you were observant that that lemon twist is popular round here...


Entered at Thu Jun 11 07:06:41 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I've seen some anti-semitic posts about Robbie online. My guess is that any famous Jew or half-Jew (in Robbie's case) has been the victim of some anti-semitic hatred at one time or another. These posts are the exception, the vast majority of anti-Robbie posts that I've seen do not reference his ethnic heritage.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 06:39:38 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Kevin

Hey Kevin, chill-forcefully expressing opinion doesn't mean mean I'm agitated and need a drink.That's your twist on it -the flaw of the Internet,I guess-no nuance,no emotion.So it's no more than a point of view on the Internet.Noone cares,neither do I.I'm fine but thanks for asking!


Entered at Thu Jun 11 05:23:54 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jed, you're right on the money.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 05:00:05 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.91)

Posted by:

Kevin J

2-1 ! Jed & Jeff....pour yourselves a tall cold one of whatever is your preference........it would do you both some good, especially Jed.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 04:53:36 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, the days of emails between us are many years past. As you just demonstrated....Separately, it's a shame you've never been able to play it straight. ......Done. Over. Out.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 04:06:21 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Any chance

It's hard not to notice when a person will concoct any reality needed when they want to reference the same way of insulting Levon?Or in this case taking Levon's worst moment and seeking any chance to repeat it,reference it,refer to it.Anything to tell us look at the terrible thing Levon has done.Yes,it is the same thing this person has done from day 1 of his arrival here,all wrapped in different packages.Now,playing the anti semitism card.As a very sensitive and devoted Jew,I have no doubt I'd react very strongly to anti semitism.There is no pattern of anti semitism here.More crap.And here's the Jewish view of respect for the dead,encompassing the notion that no matter a person's sins,we show respect and dont talk ill of the dead-the guiding principle here is the person is gone and has no ability to self defend.We go the extra mile to show the same compassion that is both intrinsically right and what we hope God will do towards us-show deep compassion.There are intricate rules of mourning demonstrating consistent axiological perspective,all following the theme of respect and compassion for the remains and mostly for the soul.Frankly,while the idiots on you tube do not concern me as associated with anti semitism and while this person,in his statements said nothing anti Semitic,his ignorance of jewish tradition and custom may have led to statements,from day 1,that were simply offensive by trashing the dead-not by you tube jerks who say idiotic things.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 04:04:19 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Jeff, if you need to keep up your spit balling, email me privately and spare everyone here your wit.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 03:58:38 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, when you act like a five-year old, it's better if you just slink off. Again, a putz issue.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 02:53:32 CEST 2015 from (58.104.6.7)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Lisa, maybe you are right and I am reading too much in to it. However, every time I read about Robbie being in a conspiracy with Albert Grossman it just sounds like antisemitism to me. As I said before, I don't think that was the spin Levon was putting on it, just the people who repeat what he said. Also, I think some of the things that guy Craig Harris said about Robbie's father were well out of line so it isn't all just trolls.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 02:54:19 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, since you brought the subject up.........i think that if people have been left with images of either of us, they got one of you , wearing a hatful.
Anyone who doesn't know to what i refer, just see my last post.


Entered at Thu Jun 11 00:37:18 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.1)

Posted by:

Bill M

I agree wih Wallsend that Robbie gets vitiol as well as criticism. (Even at the GB - some justifiable, some arguable, some irrational, very little totally unhinged.) However I suspect Lisa's right on the apparent lack of racial or ethnic bias.

And yes Lisa, it's probably just a relative few spewing all over the place on every topic under the sun. Very sick people, but at least they're typing away in their parents' basement rather than committing cruel physical acts like in the olden days. Reminds me of the lesson of a Peter O'Toole movie ("The Ruling Class"?) where he goes through most of the movie harmlessly thinking he's Jesus (and sleeping on a cross), but then a doctor 'cures' him back into being Jack. Unfortunately he then gets the idea that that means Jack the Ripper - and goes on a spree.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 23:44:35 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Bill M & Al Pigeoni

:-0)


Entered at Wed Jun 10 23:30:13 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Wallsend, I can't help but think you're barking up the wrong tree here. In all the vitriol I've seen written about Robbie (and I agree there's a lot of it) I've never seen anything that's appeared to be racially motivated. Actually, I've wondered if all the raving and ranting isn't the work of a cabal of obsessive trolls - who knows how many, but probably fewer than they seem - who prowl the WWW looking for places to insert their poison.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 22:10:09 CEST 2015 from (58.104.6.7)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, I am not saying anything about Levon. Levon had what he obviously thought was a justifiable complaint. It was very personal. What strikes me as strange is the way this has been taken up by other people. With regard to the song writing issue, for example, we know that songs were credited to Rick and Richard as well as Robbie. Nobody criticises them for stealing songs that were 'collaboratively written'. How come the only person accused of stealing things is the only person that isn't white?


Entered at Wed Jun 10 20:01:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Shapeshifters

It's a while since we saw one of these. Not that they were ever missed. The title of the linked song says it all!


Entered at Wed Jun 10 19:22:03 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.82)

Posted by:

Coach

Such a special boy. With so much knowledge in these many areas.

Dare I say your word - creep?


Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:28:31 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bob F, you'll recall too that the reason the Knicks beat the Bulls that one year was on an epically bad call against Pippen. And not to rub it in, but I believe Pippen was drafted by Seattle with a pick they got from the Knicks.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:20:26 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, just trying to help you not look like a putz.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 16:44:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, once again, your powers of perception and or communication do not serve you well.
My polite request,"Coach, could you tighten up the spelling and correct the verbs?", accompanied by a good reason for it certainly does not equal a correction. But your commands to me certainly are consistent with my prior references to your behavior.
Would you kindly go shit in your hat & pull it over your ears?


Entered at Wed Jun 10 16:42:54 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Knicks/Bulls

Pat B, back then your Bulls always got the best of the Knicks. The only year the Knicks beat them in the playoffs Jordan was playing baseball. You'll get no argument from me. At least that Knick team was competitive and fun to watch. We haven't had that in awhile here. I would love to have seen what Ewing could have accomplished playing along side a player of Scottie Pippen's caliber.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 15:57:27 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, since you are now pretending to be an English teacher, learn to use a dictionary better. Also, look up the names people get when they spend their time correcting grammar on the inet.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 14:14:07 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Robbie

Wallsend, what specific comments about Robbie are you referring to? I just did a google search of 'Robbie Robertson jerk' and came up with several hits. I would imagine that most famous musicians have had a lot of negative as well as positive things written about them online. I don't think that Robbie is unique in this.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 13:21:40 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: The last post I made

Was a joke.Just twisting words to have fun.Of course,that's not what Wallsend intended-before anyone gets offended.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 13:17:34 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Wallsend,Finally someone figured it out!

After exhaustive research spanning many years,Wallsend discovers that Levon Helm was secretly a black man.He heard rumors in the 60's that he was a black panther,an organization led by Helm to destroy the rule of the Native American leader Robbie Robertson.Since then,negative attacks against Robertson on YouTube have been picked up in force by the survivors of the Helm and Malcom X families.Wallsend discovered this remarkable phenomenon by carefully examining the deep rich colors of Helms vitriol.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 08:24:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: SBAN … Subhuman posters

The Anastasia post is a typical example of cutting and pasting an earlier post of mine on Little Milton, then substituting a different link (I assume … I'm not daft enough to follow it).


Entered at Wed Jun 10 07:36:26 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Coach, could you tighten up the spelling and correct the verbs? Bust chops all you want, but it'll be more savory with the accuracy that your target lacks, yet is invested in promoting himself as possessing.

I.fucking E. - How many games HAVE Mr. Hockey's - would be correct. And - Mr. Pat B. TYPED - not uttered - would be correct. Round Two - DING


Entered at Wed Jun 10 06:05:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

At least Mr. Pat B goes by his own name and doesn't hide behind a pseudonym.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:46:40 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach

I see that Mr. Pat B. has moved on to basketball after explaining all of the Tampa Lightning deficiencies in play and coaching. How many games has Mr. Hockey's Blackhawks won since Mr. Pat B. uttered his now infamous "Dare I say "sweep"? I find Mr. Pat to be an irritating pseudo expert on any and all topics.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:21:10 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, nothing "sounds" here lest there is a musical link. Incidentally, i haven't been a Knick fan since the 70s. and never really cared for Ewing. Nate Bowman, yeah.......


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:17:30 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: June 17 Reminder 6: 30 PM

Those of you in NYC or in striking distance of NYC would be happy if you attend Ro Fino's show June 17th at Rockwood Music Hall. Roseanne is Bob F's daughter & is a serious talent who writes fine songs, and has a killer band, perfectly suited to her music.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:15:11 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Sounds like a Knicks fan has a sad on.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:11:10 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: QUOTE.

"Bob F, Patrick Ewing walked every time he shot."


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:10:47 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ewing even walked when he missed that layup against the Rockets that would have won himself a championship.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 05:03:12 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Shooting the rock isn't foul shots, Jeff.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 04:59:48 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Correction To Literally Incorrect Statement

I never saw Ewing walk shooting from the foul line.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 04:46:59 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bob F, Patrick Ewing walked every time he shot. Literally every time he shot the rock.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 03:13:00 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.55)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: "Granny Executed in Her Pink Pajamas"

I had made reference to a great headline on several occasions over the years here and also included it in many stories I've told. LINKED: an article about the passing of the man responsible for the headline......no, it isn't the one above....though that is also his.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 00:41:45 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Refs

Jeff, in the end you have to hope the calls even out. What I love about Lebron is he might be screaming when he doesn't get the call but he's flying down court to play defense. The guy we have in NY, Carmelo Anthony will stop playing when he doesn't get the call and argue with the ref. This leaves his teammates one player short down court. The league has changed since the Michael Jordan era. The superstar doesn't automatically get every call anymore. When Jordan played the Knicks I always felt the refs were the 6th player on the court for the Bulls.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 00:16:19 CEST 2015 from (197.15.235.251)

Posted by:

Anastasia

Web: My link

My Little Milton Toppermost is just up. Incredible soul / blues singer.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 22:05:29 CEST 2015 from (58.104.15.245)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Bill M, I often wonder if a lot of the hate that is directed at Robbie on the internet isn't racially motivated. Even if everything Levon said about him was true, it doesn't seem to justify the intensely personal vitriol that you see.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 20:37:35 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Delknights / Jack Harden / William 'Smitty' Smith

A Philadelphia doowop group with tangential relationships with our guys as Hawks was the Delknights. They regularly toured through Toronto in the early '60s and on one occasion one of the lead singers, Jack (or Art) Harden jumped ship and became a long-running fixture on the R&B scene. If he didn't guest with Hawkins, he would have played for and with various Hawks at various times at the after-hours Club Bluenote. At some point he called Delknights guitarist Gene Evans up to Toronto to form the Del-Five, which eventually included Eric Mercury (who went on to do some great records under his own and to produced Robert Flack and Donny Hathaway) and Jackie Gabriel (who went on to sing with Hawkins circa '66-'68).

For those of you who care about future Dylan (Cooder, Lindley ...) sideman Smitty - and there used to be some here who did - with the Delknights off the road temporarily, drummer Mouse Johnson called in his boyhood buddy Smitty to join him in a group backing Jewel Brynner. Mouse and Smitty both left Brynner in Montreal and made their way to Toronto where they got knitted into the Soul Searchers / Silhouettes / Mandala / Motherlode circle.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 20:00:54 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bob, i only caught bits & pieces and most of the last quarter and OT- but,it sure seemed like the refs were doing everything they could to hand the game to golden state. You gotta wonder if something akin to somebody's grandkid being kidnapped and held hostage somewhere is happening, cause the extent to which they went against James in particular & Cleveland in general was ridiculous


Entered at Tue Jun 9 19:45:18 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: The Spinners aside, I like all the stuff on that list that I'm familiar with. For me, the very best of them is William Devaughn's "Be Thankful For What You've Got" - evidentiary backing for my rule of thumb that one should always pick up part I / part II 45s.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 18:45:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There are two box sets of Philadelphia International Records about in the UK. The 40th Anniversary Collection is 10 CDs for about £35 (collated and annotated) while The Collection puts 20 CDs of LPs in replica card sleeves in a box also for £35. I'v thought about them, but maybe too much of a good thing, though there are some great songs in there.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 18:22:22 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Love Train: The Sound of Philadelphia

It would be wrong to talk about great music from the city of Philadelphia without mentioning this box set. Every bit as good as Motown or Stax.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 18:16:14 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: NBA Finals

Jed, I don't want to get KJ back on his soap box but Wow isn't this a great NBA final series so far? A bunch of roll players including 3 ex Knicks and Lebron going for the ring! It's gonna get harder as the series progresses but what a battle so far. Love the NBA.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 13:32:17 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.1)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thanks - very wistful of you.

Wallsend: Thanks for the Robbie article. I'm sure first Nations people would have recognised that Robbie had native ancestry but I can certainly see why he'd not make a point of telling everyone. All manner of nicknames (and worse) would have been proffered, all manner of noxious jokes made. You know the score, living in Australia.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 08:26:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Speaking words of wisdom

Bill, I've seen that road before. Let it be.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 04:27:14 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.152)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: strictly personal note to Kevin J, whose email address I do not have

Kev: Didn't want to come across as an ingrate by complaining about "Hotel California" 24-7. Not my favourite as you know, but stii way better than TL&WR.


Entered at Tue Jun 9 00:52:11 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.31)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Thanks. I thought the long silence was a massive internet outage, but now I know it was you fighting off the forces of dreariness. Well done sir!


Entered at Tue Jun 9 00:11:01 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.55)

Posted by:

Kevin J

It can now be reported that after a dramatic 7 hour battle, I have taken full control, once again, of the loudspeakers. "The Long and Winding Road" has been banned. "Hotel California" is back on permanent rotation. Bill M is reported MIA.

Thank you Al.


Entered at Mon Jun 8 17:01:37 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.153)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm stuck somewhere where the loudspeaker's playing the Beatles. Must be an outtakes set as some are very different. The first thing that struck me was how Paul pronounced 'here' throughout "Long And Winding Road" - 'heya'. Is this how you lot generally talk Al E, or did Paul have a South African vocal coach in the control room? Anyway, the title would suit a tribute to Mandela.


Entered at Mon Jun 8 03:46:34 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.149)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thank you Al. I'm glad you can feel the song. And i appreciate you expressing it. Dunc, anyone i might have missed, thanks.



Entered at Sun Jun 7 23:52:17 CEST 2015 from (58.104.16.191)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A recent article about Robbie.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 23:22:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 061

Al, if you look at a traditional dial, the position of "6" on the exact left centre makes it easy to dial for the innumerate :-)


Entered at Sun Jun 7 23:19:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Bill. You confirm my view that in the words of the poet, these alleged conurbations are a load of bollocks.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 23:14:05 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: the ungainly conurbations you've cited look to be Standard Metropolitan Statistical Areas - units defined by certain agreed criteria. They don't have to have any political or social validity, but are handy tools for economists and regional scientists. Nothing to get hung about.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 21:28:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Also these bureaucrats "urban conurbations" throw together a lot of towns that loathe each other: Southampton / Portsmouth is as strong a dislike as Liverpool / Manchester.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 21:09:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, the singer's relationship with Bessie seems a lot deeper than a hotel notel type of thing--sharing the good times and the bad and all. And this Bessie could really sing, at least according to RR and RD, those "old time blues."


Entered at Sun Jun 7 20:39:19 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.13)

Posted by:

Bill M

Al E: The Al Pigeoni one? I wouldn't be suprised if you were the only one to think it through.

Pat B: I don't think the Band song was about THE Bessie Smith. The tick-tock pause between 'Bessie' and 'Smith' when sung suggests that Robbie was trying to recall the surname that Bessie used when she signed the register at the Notel Motel.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 20:11:39 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I just finished "Bessie", a 30 year old bio of Bessie Smith. Really quite illuminating. No mention of the Band's song, but I'm surprised that with such quality material, HBO would produce such an uneven and fanciful biopic.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 19:43:15 CEST 2015 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: UK cities

Throughout the Victorian era up to the outbreak of WWI, Glasgow was regarded as the Second City of the Empire.

People I have known or met who were born and/or brought up across the Mersey from Liverpool have always deflected any suggestion that they are Liverpudlians. They would say that they came from "near Liverpool".

As I think I've said before, I could envisage industrial, commercial and cultural development from coast to coast, Liverpool in the west to Kingston Upon Hull and Immingham in the east. There are cities and (as Al says) independent towns all the way along. It could encompass cities and towns just a short distance to the north and south - the likes of Preston, Blackburn and Burnley, Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster and Scunthorpe. The basic infrastructure is already there - a motorway network, rail connections, several airports (including one major international one) and universities. Liverpool and Leeds are siginificant financial centres that, again, could provide focal points for development. The transport links might need some updating and/or upgrading but the basics are there - more than the basics, I'd say. This really could be, to use the spin doctors' dreaded phrase, "a northern powerhouse" - a counter-blance to London's dominance. Whether Chancellor Osbourne really has the will or wherewithal to carry through his Manchester-orientated project, I do not know, but he has provided a vision on which officials and authorities in the areas I have indicated should build. They should put aside the various rivalries and antipathies and work together on this or something like this.



Entered at Sun Jun 7 17:45:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: City size

They're both Wiki. I think they're both badly skewed but differently. Actually, I think the second one is even worse. To say Salisbury and Andover are part of Southampton/ Portsmouth is particularly ridiculous - there's 20 miles open country in between and no social, political or cultural link I can think of. Both look east and west and north for their hinterland not south to Southampton / Portsmouth. Even Winchester is really pushing it. Then Eastbourne part of Brighton? It's like saying Blackpool is part of Liverpool, which fortunately they don't … though only just. Phew! Bath has been lumped in with Bristol - possible, just.

Actually the Bournemouth / Poole & suburbs one works. But Warwick part of the Birmingham metropolitan area? Why then not Stratford? Same distance.

Al, don't read too far down that Wiki entry, which says:

QUOTE: "the Liverpool Manchester or the Manchester Liverpool conurbation is defined as one conurbation by AESOP in a comparison report published by the University of Manchester in 2005 found here: Liverpool Manchester Conurbation has a population of 5.6m"


Entered at Sun Jun 7 14:55:47 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Bill - yeah that was a good 'un but it's not the one I was alluding to. It was a good old Bill M original!

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jun 7 14:53:46 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: UK City size

Also Pete the one I've linked restores Birmingham, the true current SECOND city of the UK, to its rightful position and then has the next three - Liverpool, Leeds and the other shithole - in their righful places.

PS My interpretation removes the good folks of Bolton, Bury and Oldham from the manc umbrella.

Probably the best guide to all this are the original dialling codes

01 London
021 Birmingham
031 Edinburgh
041 Glasgow
051 Liverpool

Not sure if they ever got as far down the pecking order as to have an 061. Or maybe they did.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jun 7 14:46:01 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Pete, the underlying essence of my 'tongue in cheek' yet deadly serious comments lies a million miles away from the 'skewed manipulation ' of the statistics in your linked list which has some truly weird parameters.

Forinstance - the Manchester collection includes large towns with proudly distinctive identities such as Bolton, Bury, Rochdale , Oldham all of which would recoil in horror to think they were being grouped under a 'Manchester' umbrella.

In contrast the likes of Birkenhead, Wallasey, Ellesmere Port etc - which were excluded from the corresponding Liverpool grouping - have such a close integral affinity with their family city a stones throw across the Mersey that in stark contrast they'd bristle for not being included under the Liverpool umbrella.

I think the attached link gets closer to the mark albeit it still has those fiercely proud towns of Bolton, Bury etc grouped under the Manchester banner which is manifestly crazy no matter how 'official' or otherwise it has been rendered by bureaucracy these past 30 years or so since they 'invented' these ridiculous metropolitan areas.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 14:43:24 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.140)

Posted by:

Bill M

Al E: If you mean the statue joke, Joan too gave it a very positive review. As have others off-site.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 13:24:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Al, I name checked Manchester because it’s the second biggest city. The point remains that Birmingham / Stratford are easy to get to from both directions. OK, Liverpool to Stratford is 133 miles, so 13 miles closer than Poole to Stratford. I think you thought I might think that Stratford was the Stretford End. Which is Man ******r.

I checked and was quite surprised at Wiki's rankings of UK built up areas. Liverpool is 6th, Bournemouth / Poole 16th, so bigger than Cardiff or Reading or Norwich or Oxford which makes me feel deprived because those four have got much, much better shopping areas than us. It's weird because Bath isn't in the Top 75, but has the best shopping area of the lot (us, and the other four).

Mind you, Poole has three second hand vinyl shops which is pretty good going.


Entered at Sun Jun 7 13:04:52 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Oh yeah forgot to say

Kev - that was a terrific surge of posts from your goodself I just read this morning

Bill - just skipped through but was I the only one who got that little joke you tucked away the other week?

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jun 7 12:59:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: A bit swamped...

...but

Pete - will you please stop name checking fucking Manchester as if it's got some fucking national significance. It hasn't. To us it's a fucking glorified milltown. Always was. Always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We, meantime - 20 miles down the road - were the second city of the frigging empire.

And will be again come the revolution.

So if you do feel compelled to quote some northern town then make it LIVERPOOL or nowhere. OK

:-0)

BTW Sincerest respectful apologies to any Mancs watching. You know it's true tho.

Pete - as for your comments re North/South - they're so marinated with privileged southern perspective you clearly don't even realise it. I will return to when I've time.

Same re what I promised to do Bob. And Sadavid - points taken on board.

Meanwhil last but by no means least - Jeff - absolutely loved that live version of Brooklyn. As a scouser with that same inexplicably deep and powerful parochial love/nostalgia thing going on, the song resonates so powerfully and it really did come alive on that stage!!! Loved it.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jun 7 08:24:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

London … as I say in my article on theatre, the Arts money needs spreading about. That’s why the Royal Shakespeare Company are so well-placed in Stratford in the middle. If you draw a circle based on Stratford with a radius of 150 miles, you cover a large percentage of the UK population, including London and Manchester. We’ll happily drive that far on a return trip in a day, and one time we were chatting to people from Lancaster about doing both ways in a day. I just checked … our drive is 146 miles, theirs 162 miles … all motorway except the last 7 miles. Two and a half to three hours. Interestingly, we reckon the north starts just north of Stratford, and I’ve heard others say from the other direction, the south starts at Stratford.

That’s why the National Exhibition Centre is a good venue on the Birmingham ring road, and where they should have built a national stadium. Again 150 miles or so (165 for us) covers a major percentage. The main trouble is that all the signs were designed by cretins and you can’t find anything, but a sensible 9 year old could work out better signage quite quickly.

But the great art collections etc probably should be centralized in London. It doesn’t make much sense to have an important collection in Cornwall or Northumberland … good local interest, yes. And of course a visit to London means you can do other stuff. The NEC at Birmingham is very much a “one purpose” visit. Paul Simon and Sting for us this year, but you wouldn't want to linger. It would improve if more was going on.

On the North-South divide, I just read on BBC iPad news that Lord Mandelson, a senior Labour advisor, admits that the Conservatives had a policy for spreading wealth out Northwards and Labour hadn’t (and needed one).


Entered at Sun Jun 7 02:39:34 CEST 2015 from (64.114.196.114)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: PhDs

We're going to have to begin to bestow degrees here.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 21:47:26 CEST 2015 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Philly (and UK cities)

I'm afraid to say that all I've seen of Philadelphia is from the air, landing and taking off from the airport afew times. We keep saying that we'll go to eastern PA some time and, amongst other things, go to Gettysburg (if we can find the address - old joke but sometimes "olduns" are the best). A few years ago, in anticipation, I bought a 2009 "Not For Tourist Guide to Philadelphia" for £1 in a book sale. It lists over 40 places in the "Museum" section! To pick one: it says of the Philly Museum of Art,that "our museum is regularly given short shrift compared to New York's incredible facilities but the PMA stands on its own".

Which takes me to UK cities. I have to agree with the previous comments about the position of London with regard to museums, concerts and similar cultural places and events. It has long been thus. I can think of concerts and exhibitions in the past that have been in London that I have been unable to attend, mostly because I lived so far from London and could not afford either the time or cost (or both). There have been attempts to redress the inbalance. I can think of the Tate having "branches" in Cornwall and Liverpool, of the Imperial War Museum having a northern "branch" in Manchester and the Royal Armories having offshoots elsewhere (Leeds, in particular, but also, as I recall, Portsmouth). These are commendable moves but there should be more.

I would add that cities around Britain have created and/or attracted a range of cultural institutions. Let me cite Glasgow as an example; it has an convention and exhibition centre, a concert hall and a new multi-purpose venue on one side of the River Clyde and a new BBC radio and television centre on the other side, flanked by the new regional commercial TV building and a newish Science Centre, not to mention a new Museum of Transport just a short distance along the river. Newcastle and Gateshead, facing one another across the River Tyne, have developed an atractive cultural hub.

This is repeated in other cities in Britain, to a lesser or greater extent. Things have improved around the country but the basic premise still remains : London is predominant and probably overbearingly so.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 21:27:29 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

NwC: I agree with you, but I see a fatal, though correctable, flaw. Norbert's equations include Max this and Max that, but no Max Planck, whose Constant is de rigeur here in the Quantum Age.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 19:00:40 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norbert, genius--as usual.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 18:08:24 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The Soapbox

Subject: Black Pudding in Rock

NWC, that’s too much ;-)

Peter, please be careful with Black Pudding. With this kind of merchandise the form requires a quantifying seasonal factor called S* to be multiplied with to level out seasonal influences.

Anyway my point is; todays music is made with a calculator.

Music now needs all the things one hated at school, there is cold raw wind chilling out there in music land. Music has become a tough economic competition.

The romantic days that music was still the static, one trick tideladoo, tideladee are long gone. Nowadays music is: E = mc², business plans and suits. You need to manage, in a dynamic, pro active way, the whole train of stakeholders, etc.

Good music is about economics and logistics.
Better music is caring for your Bratwurst and
Excellent music is flipping your Bratwurst it at precisely the right moment in time, if you know what I mean.

Back to the BBQ, have a nice weekend all.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 16:36:26 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Even if this gb has burned its chances to get Nobel Prize in literature we still might have a chance to get "The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" - thanks to Norbert.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 15:00:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

OK, it works with bratwurst, but would it work in the same way with (say) Black Pudding? i.e. is the calculation bratwurst-specific, or could I extrapolate to Black Pudding or Duchy Originals Organic Pork Sausages?


Entered at Sat Jun 6 14:45:22 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Handy Stockpile Calculations for Starting Bands

Peter exactly.

Just got an email from this German band (Herzlichem Gruß nach Bayern b.t.w.) asking me how much Bratwurst they should keep in store. I knew this would happen pfff, anyway:

Q* = √(2.D.K/C)

• Q*= optimal order quantity
• D= annual demand quantity
• K= fixed cost per order, setup cost (not per unit, typically cost of ordering and shipping and handling. This is not the cost of goods)
• C = annual holding cost per unit, also known as carrying cost or storage cost (capital cost, warehouse space, refrigeration, insurance, etc. usually not related to the unit production cost)

Example data:

Average Bratwurst demand \ concert = 500 ….One Bratwurst unit = 500….. 500 Bratwursts costs $ 500,- Concerts per year: 20 ….…. Bratwursts per year: 20 x 500 = 10,000 = 20 Bratwurst units

Annual holding costs per Bratwurst unit = $ 250,-/ year

Q* = √ (2 x 20 x 500 /250) = √ 80 = 8.9

So they should keep 8.9 Bratwurst units, makes 8.9 x 500 = 4472.1 Bratwursts in store all the time.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 13:47:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sharon Osborne (ne. Arden)

Her dad would have been so proud of her.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 12:22:29 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Contract Handling

In this lesson Sharon Osbourne tells us how to deal with contracts:

“My husband’s whole career, people stole from him. They walk off with thousands of dollars that’s yours. So the only way, unfortunately, for me is to get nasty and to get violent.” She described the following disagreement with John Scher, a legendary New York promoter, who claimed advertising expenses for ads placed long after a concert had sold out: “[H]e would not give in, and he was threatening that ‘Ozzy will never work in the New York area again.’ All this crap. So I got up and nutted him with my head, and then I kicked him in the …."


Entered at Sat Jun 6 12:17:41 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: η OPCE

I get a lot of questions about η OPCE (Overall Pollstar Concert Efficiency) lately (I graduated on that in my Rock-o-Nomics study, as some of you know). So one more time:

η OPCE = (η Ticket Sales) x (η CD sales) x (η Merchandise)

Example Concert data:
Max seat: 100, sold seats: 85 ……. η Ticket = 85/100 = 0.85 = 85%
Max CD : 100, sold seats CDs: 65 ……. η CD = 65/100 = 0.65 = 65%
Max T-shirt: 100, sold T-shirts: 55 ……… η T-shirt = 55/100 = 0.55 = 0.55%

η OPCE = 0.85 x 0.65 x 0.55 = 0.30 = 30%

A pretty lousy efficiency b.t.w., the η OPCE of all 250.000 Pollstar data based concerts is about 71% (coming from 69% in 2013)

Anyway its Rock-o-Nomics is that simple.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 11:29:18 CEST 2015 from (86.128.251.158)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Jeff

Great work, Jeff. Great title.


Entered at Sat Jun 6 01:31:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.5)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks Bob & everyone. That video was to make use of the short videos that nice couple made & their son made & sent me, & really, i made it to put on FB to use to sell some T shirts & maybe make a little splash.I found that directly loading from my computer to FB, the video quality sucks, therefore i eventually put it on You Tube first then FB.. ...I do have a video coming up that is far more appealing in a modern day internet sense of the word....

This version of The Schmoozers had one three hour rehearsal for 9 songs that with the exception of mp3s of the studio recordings, they didn't previously know (Angel & La Rita, the vocalists, are on the recording). The rehearsal was two weeks before the show. And the keyboard player wasn't able to make the rehearsal ( didn't effect him or anything though). The brilliance of these guys & lady though, & their experience & professionalism, they pulled it off. But, if a band has time to nurture a song,with some songs, it can make a difference. We went for a safe performance of this one this time. Still, everything speaks to the major talent & experience of both vocalists & the 4 players.

Everyone's interest & concern is welcome and appreciated. Obviously i can't discuss what is or isn't happening or anything related publicly. Separately, I will venture that i have some songs on the project as good or better. And just as commercially viable. More so in terms of the wider radio & commercial market, less so in the way of the powerful huge direct potential commercial target.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 21:03:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brooklyn in My Bones

Good new version, Jeff. Selling it to a sports team is a seriously good idea.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 20:11:15 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.245)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Cities that matter

This is for Al Edge . . . . I pretty much agree with Al (about London scooping the lot) but I think it is a lost cause.
This article takes the other side.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 19:47:33 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Jeff, I really like the song and the video. It's very catchy, I hope I see is on the air soon. And the suggestion of one of the teams using it is great.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 19:13:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.101.38)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff A

Great job Jeff. Love that Drummer!


Entered at Fri Jun 5 18:45:52 CEST 2015 from (74.14.4.151)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Brooklyn

I really enjoyed the video for 'Brooklyn', Jeff. Great song and great work!


Entered at Fri Jun 5 16:41:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I've Got My Reason

It sounds great … the whole band of LA Session guys led by Dr John is really good. I wondered about plagiarism. I just checked and songwriting is actually credited to Barry White, not to Jackie. I assume it's THE Barry White. She says "I was one of the first to record with Barry White. We all stood around one microphone."

Jackie was also very proud of being the first artist to cover The Weight, and she had a reasonable hit with it, so I guess Robbie was feeling benignly towards her.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 15:04:32 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Peter, love the Jackie DeShannon song! Fascinating.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 13:40:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Then I have seen it before. Oh, dear!


Entered at Fri Jun 5 12:50:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie SNL

I posted that clip a few years ago......it generated much discussion here at the time. I recall, in particular, RTO blowing a fuse over the bass player T Bone Walk and sadavid making note of Robbie's vocal exuberances while playing........the bit was just a commercial build in and out as part of Robbie's appearance on the show to promote his first album.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 12:45:28 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: I Got My Reason

Listen to this. It's by Jackie DeShannon from "Laurel Canyon", the LP which also has The Weight on. The pianos are by Dr John and Harold Battiste. Sounds familiar? Or nearly identical?

Actually it's a terrific performance all round, just not … well,, original. I am in the midst of the Jackie DeShannon Toppermost if anyone has comments on her.,


Entered at Fri Jun 5 12:09:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: King Harvest

Never seen that clip before and it's tantalizingly short … fabulous guitar solo and that's about it. Nice bass too. I wonder if the whole thing exists?


Entered at Fri Jun 5 09:23:37 CEST 2015 from (58.104.8.27)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Does anybody know anything about Robbie's performance on Saturday Night Live 30 January 1988.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 06:43:13 CEST 2015 from (108.36.197.190)

Posted by:

Peter M,

Location: Drexel Hill

Subject: hey Carmen

Gotta agree with John's Roast Pork. On the museum front, don't forget The Mutter Museum of Medical Oddities (College of Physicians). 22nd St between Chestnut & Market. Can we say "Megacolon" ? Chang and Eng ?


Entered at Fri Jun 5 05:09:07 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ischia

....party time in Ischia and blowing Jeff's first big royalty cheque......sounds like fun.....I have some funny stories about travelling in Italy, but for another time.........Jeff, I thought the first video of "Brooklyn In My Bones" was much more effective than this one where the live segment breaks the momentum of things somewhat.......love the song and the whole spirit behind it.....very NBA in its way and you should pull out all stops to get this to the basketball team that just relocated there........Also, aren't the NHL's New York Islanders moving to Brooklyn next year ? A tie-in to a big time pro team can mean big bucks.


Entered at Fri Jun 5 01:32:02 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Brooklyn In My Bones

Check this video out from Jeff A. So much fun and a great great song. If the world made sense Jay Z would record Brooklyn In My Bones and Jeff would be eating pizza in Ischia.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 22:03:02 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Hoops

Recently some people were critical of a particular musician because his interviews were repetitive,boring,and canned.My comment was I'm in it for the music not the interviews and so long as I love the music that's all that counts.Same for Lebron.The guy is a sensational and accomplished basketball player.The interviews,the personality-who cares?He's won two titles,this is his 5th finals in a row,4 mvp's I believe,etc. etc.Of his many achievements,his play this year has been phenomenol.I believe GS has the edge this year but it'll be a fun ride!


Entered at Thu Jun 4 20:53:48 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I didn't mean to come off as a sourpuss below, for those who enjoy basketball, I am sure the finals will provide some fine entertainment, just as many here are enjoying the hockey. Lebron has just rubbed me the wrong but that's just me.....he did go back to his hometown after all - so maybe there's more there than I see.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 18:28:23 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Lebron James and the NBA........I recall some years back watching this guy out and out quit on his team ( Cleveland ) in the playoffs.....he didn't even try to hide the fact that he was dogging it on the court.......then the fiasco of the primetime interview announcing he was leaving his hometown and taking his talents to South Beach ( nice one that was ) and fast forward a few years and I tune in to a sportscast a couple of weeks ago and see Lebron in an interview after a game going on about how was just doing what "any great leader would do" and how "being a leader, he had to show all his guys how its done' and on and on to the point of being nauseating......Oh, and the kicker was when asked about the last play of the game......he made sure to stress that his coach had called a play but that he ( Lebron, in his role as leader of the guys ) nixed it and made a decision to call his own play which won the game.........Nothing great or epic about this guy in my books.....I don't really care but I hope the other team wins.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:58:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It reminds me of a social event in California. We were not sure whether we had dressed appropriately and asked an American. The answer was 'Don't worry. As soon as they hear your accent, they'll just think, "Oh, well. They don't know. They're British.'


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:32:46 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Barnes Foundation

All kidding aside - if you enjoy history and art - you should check out the Barnes. Today, the foundation owns more than 2,500 works, including 800 paintings, estimated to be worth in excess of $25 billion. The Barns is considered to have the greatest collection of Impressionist and Modernist masters, PA Dutch Folk Art, African Pottery and American Indian Art/Artifacts any where in the world.

I myself am not the artsy type but when you see this stuff you really get blown away by quality and quantity of works in one place.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:21:19 CEST 2015 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Knicks

I agree-3 Knicks and Lebron.Mindblowing.David Lee plays for GS.The many ex-Knicks scattered through the NBA did very well with their playoff teams and were major contributors.If Phil can't do something decent this summer he'll be gone and they start again.Hoops agony.This finals should be fun!


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:20:16 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Philly

Peter V - your safe with that. With all those crazy colors and designs contained in Soccer (OK Football) shirts, we will just think your a bad dresser.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:06:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Carmen: So what you're saying is if we all turn up in Philly, say Dunc in his Graham Souness Liverpool replica shirt, me in a 1958 Bournemouth FA cup run shirt and Al in an ironic MU Wayne Rooney shirt, we'll be OK?


Entered at Thu Jun 4 15:01:29 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.245)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the sporting life

Canuckistan vs. The People's Republic to open FIFA Women's World Cup Canada™ Saturday next.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 14:18:58 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Todd

Bill - I have Todd on my list - I think he may be the most talented from our area. Should be in the RR Hall of Fame for his production work alone. Check out the link


Entered at Thu Jun 4 14:10:34 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Philadelphia hidden treasures

I just wanted to point out that Philadelphia has much more to offer than cheesesteaks and a great music heritage.

The Barnes Museum is arguably the greatest single collection of art in the world. If you are ever in Philadelphia - you need to go. Also the University of Penn Museum of Anthropology is a hidden jem with great collections. And if you need a cheesesteak fix - Johns Roast Pork not only has the best pork sandwich in Philadelphia but the best cheesesteak too. Just don't wear a NY Giants or Dallas Cowboys Jersey and you will be fine.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 14:00:32 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.26)

Posted by:

Bill M

Re musical Philadelphians, did anyone mention Todd and his Nazz. A decent Band link in that, arguably on par with Syria Mosque.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 10:40:31 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Sports

Todd, good luck to your daughters team.

One other sporting event starting tonight is Lebron James trying to bring an NBA Championship to Cleveland. The fact that Cleveland is trying to win the greatest championship of them all with 3 ex NY Knicks in pivotal roles has my head spinning. These are players the Knicks didn't consider worth keeping. If Cleveland can some how win this series against the Warriors it will be epic. I imagine Ian Hunter will make a couple cents from his Spodify/Itune accounts.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 09:48:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mrs V played Lacrosse at school in England. Nor FOR the school, just "at" school

My hazy morning eyes misread "Tampa Red and The Hawks" and I started thinking, did The Hawks ever do "It Hurts Me Too." I know Dylan did. Then my eyes cleared.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 06:14:25 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Subject: LAX

Thanks KevIn. Lacrosse was fairly new to me until my daughter started playing as a kid. She's been playing for 9 years now and may go on to play In College. I've really grown to love the sport as I understand it better now. Played well, it's a beautiful game to watch.

As you probably know, the boys and girls games have some differences. The girls don't wear helmets or pads (except for the goalie) so the rules are structured for a lesser amount of checking, and although there is still a fair amount of contact, there's more emphasis on finesse.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 06:12:53 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Pat B: Yes, and add that Joel Quenneville won the coaching battle tonight.....playing rope a dope from the very start of the 3rd period was bad enough but not having Stamkos out with the extra man on was just bad management. Not sure about a sweep because Tampa really can score but perhaps less than the six I had earlier predicted.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 05:56:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, I don't think Tampa Bay can hang with the Hawks. They get nothing from their 3rd and 4th lines while ours kick ass. Terrevainen is a major talent and has been huge this postseason. And there is no way you can play prevent hockey against the Hawks--they will make you pay. Throw in Crawford playing great, and dare I say "sweep"?

As far as Jeff admitting he is wrong occasionally, his answer is as good as any.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 05:51:58 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff......I often get the feeling that many here don't have the slightest idea what the fuck I am writing about !.........and Todd, lost in the mists of time but Lacrosse - not hockey - was Canada's national sport for 150 years until some idiots in government decided to downgrade it to just being the national summer sport.......silliness all around but doesn't really matter, it's a great game that has all kinds of benefits.....many of the greatest hockey players attribute their time playing lacrosse to being a major development plus for hockey.....Wayne Gretzky and the current captain of the Tampa Bay Lightening Steven Stamkos are just two who were great lacrosse players.......Good luck to your daughter's team.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 05:30:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.102)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Kevin, i haven't the slightest idea what the fuck you're writing about, but i been wrong for fifty six years. Twenty years, who gives a flying fuck? Stuff that in your hockey shorts and skate with it. LOL. And that's with out drinking.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 05:24:45 CEST 2015 from (32.216.238.75)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Sports Talk

Congratulations to Chicago on their game 1 win.

Should be an exciting week of sports. Aside from the Stanley Cup games, my daughter's high school lacrosse team is competing in our State tournament. They won their first round game yesterday by two goals, and will play a quarter final game tomorrow against a highly ranked team. If they win tomorrow, they will advance to the semifinals, but it's going to be a tough one.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 05:03:43 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Shhhh.......if you're hearing a rumble, it's Pat B doing backflips......and no Jeff has not admitted to being wrong for 20 years......The Hawks just scored 2 in 2 minutes of 3rd period to come from behind and win game 1.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 01:41:41 CEST 2015 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lockheed Lodestars and Hudsons

Yes, Greg, the Lodestar was a "stretched" version of earlier Lockheed twin-engined aircraft.

And, as I think I posted earlier, the particular Lodestar later used by Dylan and the Hawks was, in WWII, owned by the Norwegian government-in-exile but operated as a BOAC civilian aircraft flying from RAF Leuchars in Scotand to Stockholm in neutral Sweden and back - a particularly hazardous service as the planes were unarmed, flown across the Skagerakk (that is, through enemy-controlled airspace) and were much slower than the fighters tasked to prevent their flights.


Entered at Thu Jun 4 00:36:53 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Stanley Cup Finals start tonight.......

....prediction, Chicago in 6. This concept of choosing an adopted team to cheer for really started in a big way for Canadians during the Gretzky era Edmonon Oilers of the 1980's. They were so good and so much fun to watch that many people figured out that it was just more enjoyable to watch the games if you had a rooting interest.........Once your home team was eliminated from the playoffs, it was ok to pick another one to root for......During parts of the 1990's and early 2000's, this was the Colorado team for me with Patrick Roy and Joe Sakic.......and for many Canadians now, their adopted team has become the Chicago Black Hawks led by great players like Toews, Kane and Keith......For me, especially Duncan Keith......a truly great defenseman who has been instrumental in Canada's last two Olympic Gold medals.

Should be a dandy final......Tampa Bay is the highest scoring team in the league and is fun to watch as well. Either way, this is good for the sport.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 23:44:19 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Philly Music

Philly radio stations also had a reputation for being on the forefront of recognizing great music before other areas. Stations like WMMR were playing Bruce long before he caught on in other areas of the country. The University of Penn station XPN continues this tradition.

Another quality Philly band is The War On Drugs.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 23:28:53 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Thanks for that, Solomon. Haven't heard DFA in awhile... such a lovely vocal blend.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 22:35:25 CEST 2015 from (92.18.221.3)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Danko/Fjeld/Andersen - Driftin' Away

Some good memories of Rick on this one.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 19:07:08 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Keith of 98.6 fame--a son of Philly.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 17:46:36 CEST 2015 from (72.78.40.161)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Ahem

Most Philadelphia musicians had to leave the city to become known. That said, do not forget Howard Tate (not born here, but lived most of his life here), Tammi Terrell, and Ray Benson, leader of the Western Swing band, Asleep At The Wheel, now in their 45th year, and just inducted into the Philadelphia Music Alliance's "Walk of Fame."


Entered at Wed Jun 3 15:02:03 CEST 2015 from (99.249.67.189)

Posted by:

GregD

Subject: Crossing the Atlantic

Ian W- interesting story about the beginnings of what would become Ferry Command,with many unsung heroes, both men and women, flying aircraft across the Atlantic from North America to Britain. The Lockheed Hudson was another stopgap aircraft that was pressed into service in all theatres, and did good anti-submarine work in the early war years. Band connection through the Hudson/Lockheed Lodestar via Dylan!


Entered at Wed Jun 3 10:12:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Philly continued: Cameo Parkway

And before Gamble & Huff, there was Mann & Lowe and Cameo-Parkway. We have Dee Dee Sharp and Chubby Checker, but add Bobby Rydell, The Dovells, and from The Dovells, Len Barry. The Orlons (and so Rosetta Hightower). The Tymes. Earlier, Charlie Gracie.

I bought my first record player in July 1962. That Christmas I got "All The Hits By All The Stars" the Cameo-Parkway compilation LP that launched their separate imprint in Britain. It's quite a collectable LP now. I still have it and still like nearly all of it. Not Bobby Rydell though.

One of my first three LPs. The others were Elvis' Rock & Roll #2 and The Eddie Cochran Memorial Album.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 10:03:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Sound of Philadelphia

I was thinking the obvious. Kenny Gamble of Gamble & Huff, Dee Dee Sharp, Billy Paul, Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes (you already had Teddy, but the rest of them). The whole Philadelphia International label.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 06:12:43 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The only person I know from Philadelphia is our GB pal bob w, but in terms of famous musicians, I had always thought the great Stanley Clarke was from there..........and for a guilty pleasure to me......my favourite heavy metal band back in the day was Cinderella - who I know is from Philly......."Shelter Me" is a great song.


Entered at Wed Jun 3 00:11:30 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Philly Music

List of famous Musicians from Philadelphia or Philly or the Philly Burbs. Might not be everyone's cup of tea but a strong list none the less.

Teddy Penderass

Taylor Swift

Pattie La Belle

The Roots

Pink

Will Smith

Chubby Checker

Jim Croce

Todd Rundgren

Billie Holiday

Boys II Men

Joan Jett

Hall & Oats

The Hooters


Entered at Tue Jun 2 23:14:45 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Blatter

Subject: Blatter

Blatter
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Entered at Tue Jun 2 22:21:11 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.64)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Modern Day Musical Creativity in Brooklyn- Brooklyn is now & has been pulling droves of people to it because of its enormous non scene, non important, non significant music scene. I do listen, but the exception is when i hear soemthing i really enjoy coming out of it. The Dap Kings are good, that's for sure. But they are the exception, & i got to say, i do find them limited. Excellent, but limited.
But listen to crap like Eli Paper Boy Reed, one of those who moved here, and you'll want to vomit.

Obviously, i can't write too much in detail publicly. But I do listen, and I'm generally non plussed.

That said, there are many very talented musicians who live in & have moved to Brooklyn. There are great people who move here. Dana Lynn is a magnificently talented violinist & composer who has relocated here. I know others too.

On the other hand i listened to a guy who has a one word name, a guy from north of NYC who has been popular on WFUV for about 15 years,and his popularity has been lost on me. He did an interview on another station the other day...... and they asked him about living in Brooklyn now and how it i s influenced his music.And i got sick to my stomach listening to it. For one thing, now you have all these morons, including this guy, pronouncing Brooklyn "gangsta" style. Brooklyn is anything but gangsta, we were anti gangsta, and the pronunciation is ridiculous. Especially coming from upper middle class white people wanna bes, that don't even know what the fuck they want to be. Real gangsters knew how to pronounce Brooklyn. They grew up saying it correctly.

But he's ( one word name guy ) going on and on about the proliferance of great musicians and the great material and how great it is t have studios everywhere and be able to record with anyone at the drop of a hat... And i don't hear any great music coming out of this. Maybe there is some, but it is buried under tons of mediocre crap, regurgitated, cliched, or oddball, crap. Lyrically, usually really poor, and musically retread or oddball garbage.

and yes, there are a pile of studios in brooklyn now. I tried one for two days in Sept of 2013, great studio, very talented engineer, great equipment. I met him, checked out the studio first, spent close to two hours with him, listened to his work.... Thought he was wound a little tight but figured, well, that's just the guy. I suspected he was a prick,but figured he'd be a good, professional prick....Session came.... and i was shocked how unprofessional he behaved and how big a prick he was. Offensive to me, but he backed down with complaints, and also offensive regarding a musicina who was in the live room but could not hear him.Said musician was the guy who referred me to the studio and was responsible for him gettign the work... But this prick really crossed the line , way over, several times......I did what i had to do there, and moved on. Hard to hit someone over the head in cases like this- they got your project up.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 22:03:16 CEST 2015 from (74.14.4.151)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Music in Urban Canada

The music scene in Toronto was amazing in the 60s and continued in a less impressive way in the next 20-30 years. As Kevin points out, the growing talent was outstanding and it was all centred on 1 small street for a few years. In the clubs, Levon and the Hawks, Ronnie Hawkins, Jon and Lee and the Checkmates, David Clayton Thomas and the Shays, Jackie Shane and many others were relative constants. I don't think we in Toronto knew what we had when we had it. Things have 'quieted down' a bit in the Toronto scene now. Of course, there is no more 'Club-Yorkville scene' and though there is music in some clubs around town, its 'different'. The Drake Hotel still has great talent. I think Montreal has overtaken Toronto in this regard and today Montreal and to some degree Vancouver are strong contenders.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 20:18:21 CEST 2015 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Crossing the North Atlantic

On 10 November 1940, seven Lockheed Hudson aircraft were flown across the North Atlantic. As the first took off from Gander Airport (Newfoundland), a Canadian military band played "There'll always be an England" and continued playing until the seventh aircraft departed. Every one landed safely in Britain on 11 November 1940, the lead pilot observing Poppy Day (the marking of the end of WWI) by wearing a buttonhole he had bought in Montreal. This was not the first crossing of the North Atlantic by a landplane, of course, but it was the start of anything that resembled a regular air service. In 1939, there had been talk of establishing an air mail service but, with the outbreak of WWII, the emphasis moved to the war effort.

Up to then, the Hudsons had been shipped by sea. Flying them over saved space on the ships and reduced the time between test flight and deployment from 3 months to 10 days. In early 1941, Liberators and Flying Fortress bombers were added to the delivery programme. All the crews returned by sea, taking up to a fortnight. To save time, plans were made to fly the crews back to North America and the Return Ferry Service was set up. The first westbound flight, with seven “delivery crew” passengers, took place on 4 May 1941. This was the start of regular transatlantic air travel by landplane.

SOURCE:"Atlantic Bridge - The Official Account of RAF Transport Command's Ocean Ferry", prepared by the Air Ministry for the Ministry of Information, HMSO, 1945.

Establishing exactly when airliners took over from ocean-going liners on the route is difficult. When Bob Dylan first came to Britain in December 1962, he flew. His girlfriend, Suze Rotolo, returned from Italy to New York around the same time but sailed on the "Cristiforo Colombo" from Naples. When Richard Farina crossed the Atlantic in the early 1960s, he, too, went by sea. Dylan's air fare had been paid by the BBC, so it is possible that those whose fare was paid went by air and those who paid themselves went by sea. This was to change: student charter flights from Britain started in the mid-1960s, generally using older, slower airplanes. Maybe the coming of the jets (with increased seating capacity and shorter flight times) gave airlines higher utilisation rates, bringing down the cost per seat.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 18:58:56 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: FIFA

Sepp Blatter just announced that he will resign........during his 3 minute statement, 5 more migrant workers on the World Cup construction sites in Qatar died. Most expect up to 4000 workers will die before the first game is played.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 18:23:58 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Toronto was quite the magnet music city at the time as well with talent being discovered and developed that made a huge impact......Joni, Neil Young, John Kay, David Clayton Thomas, The Band, Gordon Lightfoot........by the late 1990's Montreal had become one if those "scene cites" for music.......welcoming atmosphere for new music, places to play, LOW RENTS and bands like Arcade Fire and others emerged.......Seattle, late 1980's a similar story with that massive grunge scene taking root there.

TLW: In terms of changes, the only one on the wish list for me is "Acadian Driftwood"......I wish the band had had more time to get this in shape for the concert.....it could have been a real tour de force and would have settled in to the film beautifully......the beginning of the end and the end of the beginning or whatever it was.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 09:49:54 CEST 2015 from (219.89.33.229)

Posted by:

Rod

The version of Mystery Train is essential but Butterfield is just a side man. Rick would have done a better job vocally. Further on up the Road is great as well. Never liked All Our Past Times. Maybe Caledonia over Mannish Boy and there must have been something better than Baby Let Me Follow You Down. But its all nit picking. The songs that are there are great.

Now to The Bands set. Couldn't really leave out anything that made it onto the film. But Life Is A Carnival and Forbidden Fruit were sounding pretty good live at the time - but maybe slightly too similiar.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 09:42:03 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sailors bearing 45s

Van Morrison bios mention the same factor for Belfast, though maybe it was just Van's dad … imported 45s.

It might account for the time slot though … surely by the early 60s, Trans-Atlantic passenger traffic was rapidly switching to airlines. The late 50s must have been way busier for ocean passenger traffic. So maybe it was Jack Tar with a kitbag full of American discs that switched Liverpool on.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 09:36:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter The Googleable

Subject: Pools of talent concentrations

Apart from The Beatles there were all the other Liverpool bands, but they weren't songwriters of note. Brooklyn is another pool, as is Detroit and New Orleans, All seem to be based largely on home grown talent.

I'd separate out music magnet cities: Memphis, Nashville, Chicago, San Francisco, LA, the rest of NYC, London … in that these pulled in talent from a wider catchment area to join local talent. Not sure where Philadelphia sits on the spectrum. PSB may enlighten me.

Liverpool, Brooklyn, Detroit seem particular.

I've read so many Beatles books with "explanations." One in every book is that sailors brought in American 45s. In which case, why is Southampton not competing? Or London? Though there may be something. At record fairs in Southampton and for 30 miles around, you see a lot of secondhand South African 45s, and almost as many Australian ones. They were cheaper, so brought back by crew members - I suspect in large enough quantities to sell. Southampton was the main port for South Africa and Australia … though also major for America.

The other factor … which touches on Detroit, Chicago, Memphis and Brooklyn … is migration (and immigration). Liverpool was variously nicknamed "The capital of Ireland" and "The capital of Wales" and so always had a mix. It's why North-West and South London are the centers for British Two-Tone and reggae.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 07:35:34 CEST 2015 from (75.168.160.136)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: south of here

Subject: Googleability

Hell, if you google Rhythm Jimmy by his real name you get 24 hits, and Rhythm Jimmy ain't nobody..


Entered at Tue Jun 2 05:55:41 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Forgive me Peter but your earlier post about percentages of students at schools succeeding and the benchmark you mentioned had me imagining a scene at the Pearly Gates in about 30 years.......

The screening process in Heaven well underway and late in the day, St. Peter tuns to God and says, "just two more left Boss..... a chap named Paul McCartney and a Peter V...........the McCartney fella was a composer of considerable acclaim, apparently made millions of folks very happy......God: " Ok, ok, let him straight in...now.let's move along.......and the last one? St. Peter: "We'll, God, a fella named Peter V......not that much known about him really, a strong supporter of an unknown rock band known as The Band......and ah, hold on.......his press kit says he was ''googleable' !............God: "Oh, for heaven's sake, let him in but do get rid of that that fu*kin category will ya..........I'll have no further mention of it........after all , Caitlyn Jenner is googleable, isn't he or she or......oh what the hell !


Entered at Tue Jun 2 01:52:58 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.64)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, Peter Nero, the pianist composer, was my neighbor, 3 doors down the avenue. His daughter & I went to school together, & were good friends, till they moved to L.A. when i was about 6 or 7 i guess. His dad, Julius, was a big macher at the synagogue.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 00:50:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

I would have chosen Cher before Greg, reprising her Geffen birthday duet with Rick on Mockingbird.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 00:38:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The two best songs of the guests unquestionably came from Van Morrison and Muddy Waters.

Dylan and Hawkins were essential.

After that I'll argue, but Joni had a very poor night though Coyote turned out OK with a bit of overdubbing and it is a great song. I love that version of Helpless by Neil Young. I also think Dry Your Eyes was excellent.

Bobby Charles never made it to the film. Eric had the dullest song, enlivened by the guitar strap, but they should have recorded All Our Past Times instead. And Bobby Charles should have done Small Town Talk. Dr John's choice was a dull song compared to Walk On Gilded Splinters. If I had to take out one? Paul Butterfield or Eric Clapton (because Further On Up The Road is intrinsically generic and boring).


Entered at Mon Jun 1 23:51:13 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Art school musicians

Ian Tyson was another musician who attended art school, in his case Vancouver School of Art (now Emily Carr University of Art and Design). When I was a student there years later, some of us were having a coffee with our painting teacher who mentioned that he had studied there. Of course we wanted to know all about him. He said Ian was very good-looking, carried his guitar with him everywhere, and cut quite a swath through the girls (!)


Entered at Mon Jun 1 23:42:03 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Carmen........I am with you on most things musical but timing has to be factored in here..........Had Gregg Allman been at TLW, the signs put up by Bill Graham that night might not have been "Enjoy your Turkey" but rather "Hide your goodie bags boys and keep the dealers out of sight - Gregg Allman is here and Scooter Herring IS NOT"

Look, Ronnie Hawkins and Bob Dylan were essential.......everything else was just a party that any great director could have and would have worked with........at the time though and I guess to this day, the names Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Eric Clapton do look revenue beautiful on the marquee and record /DVD boxes......John Hammond, Gregg Allman and Gordon Lightfoot - not so much !


Entered at Mon Jun 1 23:20:04 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: TLW

If there was a performer that you could eliminate from TLW, who would it be? And who would you have replaced him/her with? Neil Diamond would be my choice and his replacement would have been Greg Allman. Others who I think would have been neat to see would have been George Harrison and Jerry Garcia.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 23:08:05 CEST 2015 from (87.144.163.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Euro

At the moment prizes of vintage cars are exploding in Europe, people trying to save their savings I guess. ….

Leaving the Deutsche Mark was the price Germany had to pay for its reunification.

So the Euro was an political act, but Europe isn’t by far a 'united' country like the USA. Separate Europe countries, in need now, are tight to the Euro and lost control over their own situation, lost their democracy. They are not alllowed any of Dragi’s 1,140bn quantitative easing of which b.t.w. only 8% works; from the rest (92%) only banks and shareholders will profit.

The Euro has failed, its 'unwinding' will be dramatic.

But we have The Band's music ;-)


Entered at Mon Jun 1 23:05:06 CEST 2015 from (24.114.87.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Anthony Bourdain: I have loved his shows for years but really thought he had lost a lot off his fastball with his switch a few years back to CNN......Well, well, if the show I watched last might is anything to go by, he's back and in fine form. A one hour show on eating in New Jersey sprinkled in with all sorts of little life asides which even included an appearance by South Side Johnny playing pinball and lamenting that all aspects of life don't have "Tilt" warnings........impossible really to describe but brilliant tv. Catch if you can - as they say. Thought of The Hawks and Springsteen as well with some of the images shown.

Neil Diamond: I have watched TLW at least 25 times and never once did I feel the need to fast forward through "Dry Your Eyes"....it is set up beautifully and the performance is great. As a teenager watching watching the movie in a theatre the first time, the whole songwriter,totem pole, TIn Pan alley thing and seeing someone so un-rock n roll in the middle of this ultimate rock n roll party was captivating.

Liverpool Magic: Having two musicians of undisputed genius meet up from the same town and form a band and then work as hard and create as much brilliant material as they did is one thing.....but to have that "a few years younger little tag along kid with the crooked smile" also be part of the same neighbourhood and same band and to add masterpiece contributions like "Something", "Here Comes the Sun", and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is just hard to believe.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 22:24:01 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.64)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, this is hurried.........Carole King attended Madison High School, graduated 4 years after my mom. And grew up in just a block or two away. Janis Siegel of The Manhattan Transfer went to the same high school, grew up righ t there also. but is only 62. I grew up aroudn the corner form the high school, but was able to go to Midwood, where my friends were going. Caeol Klein,- turned to Carole King, met Sedaka at queens College later......Henry Gross, right aroudn the corner too, though his league is different, but he is a talent . Steve Freund, a bout a half mile east of my house, one fo the greatest blues guitarists around, and i love hsi songwriting, and enjoy his singing.... there's many many more, I'm just off the topof my head. North of Madison, in Sheepshead Bay we had Frankie Fuchs, RIP about a year now, died young of cancer.... songwriter, sessuion 7 touring work with the Houston family, Cissy, etc etc, RPoduced smne of the recent Woody Guthrie releasesa, as he grew up with Nora & ARlo, Arlo had some amazing things that he wrote about The timing of Frankie's death, and Frnkie himslef

Thanks for the mention, now, if you only get to hear my good stuff. ...

If we spread a mile to two square, we can include Kenny Vance ( Jay & The Americans, Planatones, produce of steely Dan's breakthrough record aLSO), and many many more, i gotta run, may addto this later...... Oh- The Brooklyn Dreams guys, all 3. Hokenson, Sudano, & Esposito, grew up near Midwood High, Bruce Sudano married Donna Summer, they cowrote her hits, Joe Esposito is now the lead in Brooklyn Bridge, he has many hits , including stuiff in the Karate Kid soundtrack,...


Entered at Mon Jun 1 19:16:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, in the stuff I've been doing on record covers, you can see the art school bands a mile off … The Clash and The Jam really stand out for great designs.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 19:14:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Joan, In the 50s, many areas of the UK had a tripartite system: Grammar school (academic), Technical school (skilled, but less academic), Secondary Modern (the rest). Most areas replaced it with a Comprehensive system … all types in one school … but some towns (like Bournemouth and Poole) retained it, though quite often the "middle tier" of Technical got lost on the way.

Art school covered quite a variety of things (or sins even) and it wasn't just painting but fashion, design etc too. it was a good option if you didn't quite know what to do next and you liked music and art, for example. When I was doing plays at 18, more than half the kids were at art college. Two of my friends went on to the London College of Fashion … most British girls' dream in 1966.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 19:08:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Art School Dance Goes On Forever

The link is to Pete Brown's song, but it is pretty awful. Never mind the title was apposite as Jean says. Ronnie Wood is the obvious one (and technically a more proficient painter than Mr Dylan). Like Pete Townsend and Freddie Mercury he was at Ealing College of Art. Others at art school include Mick Jones, Keith Richards, David Bowie, Eno, Roger Waters, Syd Barrett, Nick Mason, all of Bonzo Dog, Eric Clapton.

It's also noted for American musicians.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 18:35:52 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

About school. It seems like a lot of the rock 'n roll entertainers were going or went to an art school. I know that in Britain you were sent to a trade school or academic at an early age. just off the top of my head John Lennon, Pete Townsend I don't know too many people who don't roll down their car windows "and sing" born to run". When I saw Springsteen just play the guitar intro and the entire audience started singing a song when they hit the verse


Entered at Mon Jun 1 15:35:21 CEST 2015 from (216.121.189.31)

Posted by:

Sarah Mac Lean

Subject: Sweet Caroline

My friends and I would sing Sweet Caroline at the top of our voices at any and all opportunities. ( "sing " being deemed ,I'm sure , by those within hearing range a debateable term )

Sweet, sweet times !


Entered at Mon Jun 1 13:37:33 CEST 2015 from (74.14.4.151)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: My two cents: Neil Diamond

I had no problem with Neil Diamond participating in TLW (there were reasons for everyone to be there and he was no exception) I became a fan more recently after listening to the songs as a group. I realized that his songwriting ability and delivery were worthy of praise and attention. I came late to this. I enjoy his recent albums as well. He has practised his craft effectively.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 12:48:43 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.133)

Posted by:

Bill M

Neil Diamond and Felix Cavaliere were in a teenage doowop group (Al Pigeoni?) together, so may well have been schoolmates.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 11:38:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Talent

On “Adult contemporary music” Streisand and Diamond are two of the three all-time best sellers in the USA (Elton John is the other). The Brill Building era book mentions the many connections … I think Neil Sedaka and Carole King were classmates too. I’d guess that area of Brooklyn was remarkable too … add Jeff A … but the schools are vastly larger than British schools. Lennon’s Dovedale Primary looks a pretty average sort of British 1950s size. so much smaller. I’d add George too … though all round he is maybe just a rung down. What is amazing is they formed a band … in contrast, Streisand and Diamond knew each other, shared the odd “cigarette on the steps” but weren’t close friends and only worked together much later.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 11:36:06 CEST 2015 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Doo and doocot (or dooket)

"Doo" is the Scots form of "dove" and "dove" is another word for "pigeon". So, while "dovecot"(or pigeon-house)is pronounced "duv-cot" in the south, it becomes a "doocot" in its Scots form, pronounced "doo - kit", I believe, or something close to that, though Dunc will correct me if I've got that wrong.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 11:03:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Little Milton

My Little Milton Toppermost is just up. Incredible soul / blues singer.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 10:22:32 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Talent concentration

Interesting stuff Pete.

As it is I think I read a piece some years back which revealed there's quite a few more from that later Liverpool Institute grammar school generation who went on to make their mark down the line. Can't recall who or what.

Actually though Pete the thing that has really puzzled me is a hard one to convey. It's not so much that any class of 36 from a certain background is destined to produce some successful people but more the uniquely exceptional case of [shall we leave George out of this] and say just TWO of the most remarkable creative people of all time growing up independently until their late teens scarcely a mile apart.

That's the bit I can't quite get my head around.

The barbra streisand/neil Diamond is a lesser example of the same thing I guess.

I'd imagine the Brooklyn/New York Jewish community is a safe bet to have thrown up more than a few similar examples of creative genius if we broaden things. I mean when you think of the Broadway musicals - how many were written by composers from that neck of the woods?

PS BOB F: I will come back on that Beatles angle when I've a bit more time to reflect


Entered at Mon Jun 1 10:05:50 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I agree, Rod. I'd go for Cherry Cherry first. But any of a dozen early singles would have worked.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 09:26:01 CEST 2015 from (219.89.33.229)

Posted by:

Rod

Neil D should have got more than one song and maybe done an old one like Red Red Wine. Would have been more exciting than most of Joni's set.


Entered at Mon Jun 1 09:18:20 CEST 2015 from (216.121.189.31)

Posted by:

Sarah MacLean

Subject: " Associations "

Oh dear ! I never meant to sound negative about Neil Diamond !

My happy , sappy times post was about loving a song because of how you it reminds you of certain people or happenings .

For me Sweet Caroline brings back memories of good times with good friends .


Entered at Mon Jun 1 08:18:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I’m thinking back to Al’s “concentration of talent” post about the Beatles, as I remembered that Neil Diamond and Barbra Streisand were in the same school class in Brooklyn.

John Lennon’s primary school class also included Peter Sissons, the main ITN national TV newsreader for twenty years, and comedian Jimmy Tarbuck who hosted Royal Variety Shows etc. There is a photo showing all three in swimming costumes. The school is described as “a feeder school for grammar school” and George was at the same school, but younger. In state education in the 1950s a “feeder” school simply meant one in which a higher percentage of kids got into selective grammar schools. These schools became popular with parents.

I’m wondering if three high achievers from one class of eight year olds (let’s discount Lennon being one the highest achievers of the 20th century) is weird or not. I would guess that Tarbuck’s career was boosted by the success of The Beatles meaning all-things Liverpool were hip. But the man did get to record a Jagger / Richards song for Andrew Loog Oldham’s Immediate label in 1965 too. Peter Sissons’ career has no crossover or Beatle connection.

I guess my primary school was also a “feeder” in that six boys and six girls in my class went to grammar school, which would be about twice the average for the town. It was a 20 year old school in an area of 20 to 25 year old private housing. Most of the dads worked in the aircraft industry (Bournemouth had both Vickers and De Haviland factories - the major employers round me as a kid) so I’d guess ”skilled working class” or like my dad, sales reps, or my friends’ dads, a fireman and a bank clerk, so “lower middle class” – a blue collar / white collar distinction in Britain. They earned about the same and lived in the same streets. I don’t recall any social difference. We had one BBC reporter, slightly less known that Peter Sissons, but still a household name. A guitarist / songwriter who’s made a living from it ever since, and I guess me as textbook writer. Not known on the same levels, but three “easily Googleable” people.

So I wonder if “three” out of 36-40 kids being “Googleable” is about normal, given that sort of area?


Entered at Mon Jun 1 03:14:32 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Who doesn't wish they wrote Cherry Cherry?


Entered at Mon Jun 1 00:39:17 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: The Jazz Singer

In terms of Neil Diamond. I have to say that the 'Jazz Singer' is very enjoyable as a kitchy, guilty pleasure. I guess that that this was the period where Diamond was being called the Jewish Elvis. I would describe the Movie as the equivalent of Elvis's 30 bad musicals rolled into one. Neil in blackface. Lawrence Olivier ripping his shirt and proclaiming " I heff no son". This movie is really bad. However, the soundtrack is great. America, Love on the rocks, Amazed and confused, Hello Again, a snippet of Kol Nidre and a song about the Robert E. Lee. (the ship of course, not the general).


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