The Band
Home

History
Members
Library
Discography
Videography
Filmography
Pictures
Audio files
Video clips
Tape archive
Concerts
Related artists
Merchandise
Guestbook
Chat Room
What's New?
Search

The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook

Welcome to The Band guestbook. If you have problems reading this page, see the answers to frequently asked questions about the guestbook.

You can add your own comments by signing the guestbook. Please behave and follow the rules of conduct.

If you are looking for previous entries or posters, try searching the guestbook archives.


Entered at Mon Jul 25 09:17:51 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Beautiful Old

Thanks for reminding me … it's too long since I've played "The Beautiful Old" (link to my original review). One of the great moments in Half A Sixpence was seeing a cast of around twenty-five doing an encore, all playing banjos. Have you ever seen 25 banjos played together?


Entered at Mon Jul 25 02:14:22 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Just between you and me

Thank you for that Bob. I've seen the odd show lately, but I've been away so much I missed a lot. Looking forward to buying the DVD's so perhaps this winter I can lay back, watch them all and enjoy them. Look forward to discussing it with you Bob. Bob please congratulate your daughter on her success for me. Wonderful to see her doing so well, (with the help and recognition of an old pro like John Donabe.) It's heart warming to see the folks here get behind her, but I'm sure she has earned it.

Getting back to "April Wine". If you watch this video of their "Just between you and me", it's not hard to see why it has had two and a half million viewings. These guys were and still are great.


Entered at Mon Jul 25 01:40:08 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Hell on Wheels

Did everyone see the final 3 shows of Hell on Wheels? So great.

Norm, you're going to love Cullen Bohannon's final mode of transportation.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 23:39:08 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Norbert, if you put all the so called genuine bits of the Berlin Wall sold to gullible tourists, you'll have enough for a wall along the 49th parallel too.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 22:44:31 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Wall

There are the plans to build a wall from Brownsville to San Diego to solve all problems. Maybe Germany can help out here, we offer you, for a sharp prize;

1) 1500 miles of fine German bob wire
2) 3000 watch towers
3) 700 mean German Shepard dogs
4) Thousands of mines
5) 400 green M.Benz Geländewagen (4 wheel drive)

And some little stuff, all what you need for fine fencing.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 20:39:24 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Beautiful Old

PV - I'm not sure how far back you want to go but I found this one quite enjoyable in that way -


Entered at Sun Jul 24 20:22:27 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tragically Hip are great.......but

Haven't been home for three weeks. Workin' my gawd damn ass off. Howze everyone??

Now I agree with you Jerry.....mostly......but from the east coast, and 1969 came "April Wine". Listen to the (straight ahead rock & roll) from these guys.

"Doin it right on the wrong side of town", (also done by the Powder Blues Band on this coast). This is straight ahead rock and roll with class. From all those years ago to today this is still R&R that gets your feet moving


Entered at Sun Jul 24 19:36:05 CEST 2016 from (99.199.181.83)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Gord Downie

The type of brain tumour that Gord Downie has is not curable. Canadians were stunned when the news came out earlier this year of this sad news. I could not bring myself to going to the concert. Its just too close to home with someone in my family dying of the same tumour. Much too close to home. The Tragically Hip is a family institution for us.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 18:26:55 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Tragically Hip

Funnily enough Jerry I was alerted to these only a few months back by someone who I'd alerted to RoseAnn.

You're right they're superb

I've only scratched the surface so I can't offer much insight but I love the one I've linked amongst more than a fair few more.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 18:02:20 CEST 2016 from (99.199.181.83)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The TRAGICALLY Hip

I wasn't there for the opening show of this tour. Apparently, 9000 or so people were in Victoria and the reports are that this was a superb show. For those of you who don't know this Canadian band, there is a lot of music out there to allow you to hear what for many has become The Canadian band. Gord Downie has a serious illness and the band decided to hit the road for a series of concerts across Canada. Give The Tragically Hip a listen. You won't regret it. Straight ahead rock played well and a frontman with personality and benevolent forcefulness is an effective combination. The musicians are superb. Lots of albums since the 80s when they rose in Kingston Ontario and grew to be Canada's band for many.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 17:33:09 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Big Sam

Hey Pete - don't hold me to it mate. I did say "might" not "will".

As you say though if we're going to give it one more go with an Englishman then there's so few suitable candidates it kind of pushes Sam right to the front of the queue. The rest are either past their sell by date or too inexperienced like your guy.

At the very least I'm looking forward to seeing how he adapts to the challenge of working with a team that can boast some top players rather than a team purely of battlers/cloggers. I do think we saw a few signs of what might happen at West Ham but clearly something didn't quite gel there in the end.

One thing's for sure - he's got an awful lot of folks to try and prove wrong and very few to prove right. Plus us fence sitters of course!!

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jul 24 17:06:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Big Sam … I hope you're right, Al. We do have an issue … where are there managers who are (a) English and (b) have experience of European football? I think the "Resuscitate Glenn Hoddle" campaign was a loser, it's much too late for Harry Redknapp. I guess a foreigner who knows English football backwards like Arsene Wenger was a good idea, but I think you have to have an English manager.

I always smile at watching the pundits on TV. They've all got much too much sense to attempt it.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 15:52:31 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Looking for old music well done …

Link is to my lengthy review of Half A Sixpence yesterday. New version with new songs (and script by Julian Fellowes of Downton Abbey fame). They cherry-picked the best songs from the 1963 musical / 1967film which starred Tommy Steele. We never thought we'd enjoy it, but it was fabulous entertainment.


Entered at Sun Jul 24 15:46:30 CEST 2016 from (99.199.181.83)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Daniel Wesley Band

Looking for new music? From White Rock, BC comes Daniel Wesley with his reggae-infused original songs. He played in the Okanagan Valley yesterday evening., It was a party with dancing and clapping and all the elements of a festival. The music was reminiscent of early Police. A 4 piece band with Daniel as lead vocalist, his 2 sets under a warm sunny and then starlit sky made for a perfect evening.. Daniel has been on the scene for a number of years honing his craft. There are 4 or 5 cds and they are easily found. He put on an excellent show and pleased at the Tinhorn Winery.


Entered at Sat Jul 23 18:28:35 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The Tour

Subject: Forgotten cyclists, Beat Breu: A story Levon would tell Robbie about

Beat Breu (born 23 October 1957)

When he was a little boy, Beat Breu wanted to become a clown. The one with a red nose, and flap shoes.

He became a postman.

Every day he rode on his bike with two post bags on either side through the streets of his hometown of Sankt Gallen. Faster, always faster, looking for records that no one before him had established and no one after him would want to break.

Then, in 1979, when he gets the bags of his bicycle, he can suddenly become a professional cyclist, in a team that call themselves: Willora – Piz-Buin – Bonanza. Beat, nicknamed was nicknamed ‘The Mountain Flea', is deliriously happy. His heart is with bike, not with mail delivery.

There follows a professional cycling career of sixteen years.

Once sixth in the Tour, he wins two mountain stages in that same Tourr: a solid career, for a postman.

In 1995 he stops, 37 years, satisfied and fulfilled. The Moutain Flea is no more , it's time for new horizons. That he didn’t find in the team management, in management or in sponsorship, that’s not Beat Breu.

He fulfills his childhood dream and becomes – with delay – a clown.

As comedian he performs for seven years. In the beginning in small venues, which are full because he, Beat Breu, comes telling jokes. But with the lack of growth of Beats repertoire, the venues shrink and the spectators are more often completely gone. In the Swiss gig circuit the legendary climber melts to a hardly desired comedian of lower ranks.

Next to his joking company he misses the boat in a real estate deal. Costs: half a million. Beat don’t counts the times how often he needs to come trotting on jaded company parties to make up for that.

One day, probably a Sunday, Beat Breu plays once more. He has been asked by the management of a retirement home near to brighten up the afternoon activities.

His audience is made up of a handful of people over 80, who stare surprised to the small, round man on the little stage. Some don’t hear so good any more, a few others refuse to interrupt their card game for the conferences by Breu.

Two ladies in the front row doze slowly away.

When Beat gets off the stage, without closure, without a last witz, the silence in the room echoes in his ears. Only three nurses clap and thank him for the beautiful show, but for Beat Breu it’s enough by now. Not this way.

Long grieve is not really something for the always upmost cheerful Swiss.

A few months after his last appearance as comedian, the following message is to be read in the faits divers-columns of almost every Swiss newspapers: ex-cyclist Beat Breu and his wife Karin start an erotic wild west bar. Name: Longhorn City. The bar contains cowboy houses, typical Indian teepees, horses, lassos and willing women.

In front of the newly opened baiting is a proud man with a round belly and a cowboy hat on his head. Who looks closely, sees that it Beat Breu.

But near the Bodensee appears to be less appetite for wild west sex then Beat and Karin had assessed; the bar runs barely a full year. The investment firm that had made it all possible, has, consistently, written it’s red numbers with black ink.

All the stress and effort make a heart surgery necessary. Beat gets into a depression, Karin divorses him.

The Swiss see still see him occasionally pass by on a TV entertainment program, as clown of the nation. Without a red nose or flap shoes, but full of stories that no one really cares about.

It takes a few years for Breu to get himself back together and he has picked up a little business with spare parts for trucks. He marries Heidi, and seems happy. Luck shows up in the life of Beat Breu, however, never too long.

The cycling, that is what he does best and makes him the happiest ... He misses it. He misses it so terrible that he, now 49, begins to train like a beast. Lake Constance around every day. Cycling he wants, he just wants to belong somewhere.

In three months he loses 18kg.

On July 17, 2007 he announces his comeback. He wants to stay there for at least three seasons, he says.

The marriage with his second wife Heidi has also become a SOAP. Beat feels he is thirty and his sleepy midlife crisis marriage with Heidi doesn’t fit him anymore.

The boulevard press dedicates a page to Beat and Heidi every week, and gives them the space to paint, in turn, the other black.

According to Heidi Beat’s children Marc and Denise hate her, and the relationship with Beats mother is also bad. Beat and Heidi are married in silence, at Christmas, and that holds the family Breu now against them. Blick quoted, while licking their lips, that Beat left his newly woman already on new year's Eve to run to his mother to explain everything.

Now, after a marriage of more than one hundred days, Switzerland's favorite clown is single again. Barely a week later, it’s in the papers that Beat is seen together is with Sonja, a mysterious Czech vamp.

In interviews he is silent about Sonja, from whom the press has invented that they had joined a group that is called "Club of Muslim girls". That's news, in Switzerland.

Beat prefers to speaks about his comeback, in cycle cross and on the velodrome. The return is made possible by a magic drink that is called ‘H20Hoch3’ and is made by the company SunWay Water. Breu rides a few field trials, appears on the velodrome and even wins one a stayer game in the six days of Zurich. The three seasons he doesn’t make full. Beat Breu must again go looking for a new interpretation of his life.

Investigations shows that H20Hoch3 is a toxic cleaning product. The website of SunWay Water no longer exists.

As far as is known now, the relation between Sonja and Beat it is still on.

(author unknown, translation from a Dutch tour site)


Entered at Sat Jul 23 12:54:28 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Big Sam

You know what Pete, I think big Sam might surprise a few people.

Don't get me wrong I'm no Allardacolyte by any stretch - and I must emphasise that. I've cursed and swore at him and his teams more times than I care to recall as they've kicked lumps out of the Reds and built defensive walls more dense than Robbie Savages skull.

But I do recall a time some years back when Liverpool were considering their managerial options and I happened to be talking with Rick Parry [we were campaigning against moving from Anfield to a new stadium which Rick parry was trying frantically to push through]. He asked me who he thought Liverpool should bring in if Gerard Houllier was to leave [which happened shortly after]. Not knowing any foreign managers from Adam I said we could do worse than Sam Allardyce if we wanted to steady the ship.

Parry almost spontaneously combusted on the spot at my suggestion.

At that point I had no idea Big Sam's abilities were so widely disparaged. Of course over time the perception of Allardyce as a route one, kick and rush, one trick defence obsessed pony has mushroomed until he's now virtually a caricature of that sort of limited ability footballing 'animal' with his gruff Black Country/Lancastrian tinged monologues set to bore the arsehole of all and sundry.

Yet, despite all that, I still think there's an awful lot more to the guy. Sure he's spent most of the time down in the lower reaches of the premier division battling relegation and yeah most of the time the players in his teams don't exactly appear to be attempting to emulate a Mario Kempes or Zoltan Varga but with limited means he invariably manages to do okay.

With more lucrative resources I think the inner true footballing man - and let's not forget that's what he is from head to toe since aged 15 at Bolton Wanderers - might well be coaxed out and we might just see England teams with a a far more consistent and disciplined approach displaying far more attack minded approach than many think.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 23 11:51:22 CEST 2016 from (86.171.128.249)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Case, Lang, Veirs

I'm normally receptive to your suggestions, Peter and by chance Ricky Ross has played Case, Lang and Veirs in his weekly show 'Another Country' where the show has a theme of trios so I'm about to give the show a listen.

I've posted a link.


Entered at Sat Jul 23 10:55:47 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Enjoyed The Delines on YouTube. I'll look out. I have quite a pile to play having had my main computer out for ten days.

Case, Lang, Veirs was stuck in it when it went in for repair, and I missed it so much I contemplated buying a second copy. Still, it came back last night.


Entered at Sat Jul 23 10:13:15 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One for the Brits. Mrs V was looking at the BBC News on the iPad and said "Oh, no! That's a disaster!"

I foolishly replied, 'Yes, with Sam Allardyce as manager it's back to hoof it up the field." Apparently more international news was under discussion. But it is hard to have an England manager whose experience is skin of the teeth relegation battles. Down here, we were relieved they didn't grab Eddie Howe … but I think he needs a couple of Premier League seasons with us, a move to a Top Five club and a European campaign first. But with the lack of homegrown competition, he might get there earlier.


Entered at Sat Jul 23 00:16:11 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Pete V

Have you picked up on The Delines Colfax Avenue album Pete?

I've linked another track

Joe just reminded me talking about Amelia Curran.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 23:58:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It's just taken me twenty minutes to locate my CDs of Amelie Curran … Hunter Hunter, and War Brides. There are too many CDs here and sensible order has gone out of the window … I was assuming they'd be in my main alphabetical section, but there they were in Folk sandwiched between The Clancy Brothers and The Demon Barbers. Will play both tomorrow, though The Mistress was already on a much-loved playlist.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 23:38:36 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Joe J - Amelia Curran - The Delfines

Have you come across these Joe? - I think the songs on their album Colfax Avenue [linked] are very reminiscent of Amelia. Especially the track Oil Rigs at Night. See what you think. They're another venture of Willy Vlautin.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 22:59:42 CEST 2016 from (24.114.67.195)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Totally agree about Amelia Curran. Top notch.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 21:19:34 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Amelia Curran

One of the best lycricists (sp) of this century is coming to our harbour town next week. Amelia Curran ranks up there with RoseAnn. Last time I saw her was in Rita McNeil's Tearoom a couple years ago; just her and a guitar player. Said player deferred to her music. Out of this world experience. Great tea and scones as well. I remember when Amelia was busking in front of Mile One. Tough young lady.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 20:31:10 CEST 2016 from (74.108.28.103)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Flock of segals

Some time in the 80's I got tickets yo see Squeeze at MSG.The opening act was Flock of Seagulls/My tickets were fairly close to the stage FOS was unbearably loud.By the time we left we were deaf for 2 days'


Entered at Fri Jul 22 15:29:19 CEST 2016 from (72.82.137.178)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: The Alarm

I saw one of the Dylan shows in '88 with the Alarm opening. I honestly don't remember much about the crowd's reaction. I probably haven't heard anything by the Alarm since that period. Based on my 28 year old recollection, I would classify them as a mini U2. I would probably put Big Country and Simple Minds in the same category.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 15:19:45 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: John Donabie's radio show and RoseAnn

John. I'm absolutely delighted you and your good lady derived some enjoyment from my enthusing about the excellence of your shows on here. I'll bet, however, it amounts to not even a modicum of the level of enjoyment those shows have given your many listeners down the years and myself and a few other Liverpudlians just recently!

That said, I think I do need to provide a brief clarification as to how I see it in case anybody misinterprets what I’ve been saying as any form of fawning. For no way at all is that the case. Rather it is anchored firmly in admiration for the glistening quality of the product. Much as my huge enthusiasm for RoseAnn and her music is similarly based.

Fact - the show you just did featuring RoseAnn was as pleasurable a radio listening experience as any I can ever recall.

The only bit that jarred - and I mean no offence to the man concerned when I say this - was the elderly retired guy who’d sent you a CD of his song, a lament about where everything is going wrong with the world. Whilst we can all empathise I’m sure with his sentiments, the quality of his song – as admirable, heartfelt and touching as it was – contrasted starkly with that of everything else you featured on the show.

As each song unfolded – many of which [or at least versions of which] I’d never previously heard – I was enthralled at how beautifully they all synchronized, revealing how they hadn’t simply been thrown together but thought out and arranged to achieve a balance. More so, how for each of them you relayed a little background tale about their origins, the musicians involved and a host of other pertinent insights. Indeed, for me the way the show panned out was almost a blueprint for how a radio show should be formulated and how I’ve wishedfor all my listening lifetime - invariably to no avail - that a disc jockey would present a show.

On the most visceral level, how many times have we all listened to a track played on the radio awaiting the jock to impart us with some information as to who has just delivered such a great song only to be greeted with some inane unfunny ad-lib about something entirely unconnected.

On a John Donabie radio show there’s about as much chance of that sort of thing happening as a RoseAnn Fino track of Out From Under or Airing of Grievances failing to blow your socks off with its quality.

So there you go John lad. May you rule the quality airwaves for many a year to come mate!

:-0) PS – I’ve stuck in above the link to the show featuring RoseAnn in case anybody hasn’t heard it yet.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 15:13:52 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The '80's

Never really made that connection until my own post about Flock of Seagulls but your bracketing does bring it even more into focus. Surely tho Pete we must have had more than that?

When was all the Crucial Three and the Madchester stuff?

There must be some '80's experts on here. Surely?

:-0)


Entered at Fri Jul 22 14:48:20 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, as you rightly say, there were only three new bands in the 1980s.

The first went out as The Alarm, The Cure and A Flock of Seagulls.

Band Two (as they were known in the trade) posed variously as ABC, Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet.

The third lot were my favourites, and were seen on posters as Madness, The Specials, and UB40.

That was about it for the 80s, I think.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 14:27:28 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JQ

Sorry mate. I misunderstood.

It's aledgeatblueyonderdotcodotuk

:-0)


Entered at Fri Jul 22 14:25:41 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Bob - Flock of Seagulls

I used to get mixed up between the Alarm, Flock of Seagulls and The Cure.

In fact I'm not even sure they weren't all the same!! Certainly the same haircuts!

:-0)


Entered at Fri Jul 22 09:32:20 CEST 2016 from (81.171.71.127)

Posted by:

Laila

Location: Sweden
Web: My link

So amazed to see not even a fanpage about my favourite band, The Bans, but also a guestbook with fellow minds! Will be checking in here regularly. I can also testify to the Mike Peters duet with Dylan as eing one of, if not, the best version of Knockin' :)


Entered at Fri Jul 22 08:42:06 CEST 2016 from (195.158.104.121)

Posted by:

Jonas

Location: Norway
Web: My link

Subject: Alarm

Oh my God i can1t believe you were there when The Alarm opened for Dylan! Mike Peters duet with Dylan from '88 is an all time favourite:)


Entered at Fri Jul 22 04:13:19 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Alarm

I was there in Hamilton Ontario when The Alarm opened for Dylan. It was in a large arena and sound was not good. Except for a few fans, no one was listening to The Alarm. It is amazing how rude paying patrons can be when they come into a venue to hear the main act. That was my introduction to that phenomenon and it was beyond sad. And I don't know how good the Alarm was. The poor sound coupled with the noise around me as the seated ignored and talked and did everything but listen made it impossible to appreciate The Alarm. It was a negative memory for me and the sound for Dylan was no better. It was one of a series of Dylan concerts I attended in those years that left something to be desired because of inadequate sound. Exceptions were The O'Keefe Centre (Toronto) 3 concerts of the early 90s and The Masonic temple concert of 1994 in Toronto.


Entered at Fri Jul 22 02:58:57 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Rain In The Summertime

Great song. Never associated the group (the Alarm?) with any Dylan tour though.


Entered at Thu Jul 21 18:29:51 CEST 2016 from (83.249.162.136)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Masters Of War

Jeff A, our latest conversation was a clear example (even if in miniature format) of war industry trying to rise two magnanimous gbers against eachother. They make a lot of money with this tactics in the real world.


Entered at Thu Jul 21 03:27:20 CEST 2016 from (107.77.97.86)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Al Edge

Al - Just looking for your address if that's ok -


Entered at Thu Jul 21 01:59:50 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Rain In The Summertime

Dylan had some great opening acts in 88 with Toni Childs being my favorite. The Alarm put on some great shows early in the tour. They had about 100 kids who followed them everywhere. All of the super cool Dylan fans would wait in the lobby while The Alarm played. The Alarm's 100 fans were allowed to stand at the front of the stage every night while their hero's played. They really were a great band and they own one of the all time great summer songs Rain In The Summertime.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 23:54:31 CEST 2016 from (86.171.128.249)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: John D

Thanks John D.

Only thing John D is I wanted to enter the competition a couple of weeks back for Hugh's Room. Would be difficult for me to get to though.

On a serious note. Really enjoyed the Joni Mitchell live track on the latest show. Had never heard it before.

If I was a Toronto listener, I would contact you to suggest a theme of a show of live tracks. Have never heard a show consisting of only live tracks. Any chance?

Keep up the good work.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 23:32:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I enjoyed Bryan Ferry's "Dylanesque" album too. Even more, I thought his "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" from "These Foolish Things" one of the best Dylan covers. For dunc (and me), the horns on that album are Roger Ball & Molly Duncan from the AWB.

I'm desperate to hear JD's whole show … I have had a week of intensive grand-parenting combined with major computer hassle … my main Mac died and I'm struggling to do much at all. I will get there!


Entered at Wed Jul 20 20:34:49 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA

Subject: JD, Frank Turner

Listened to JD's latest, unfortunately in fits and starts at work, but how radio should be best enjoyed, on a decent pair of headphones. Took me back to my days of college radio when you could play whatever took your fancy, and string together complimentary songs in smooth segues, no commercials other than the occasional ID or PSA. I spent far more time in the radio station than the library. I used to do a program called Subjects In Vinyl where all the songs touched on a particular subject, working in readings on said subject culled from various sources. All done live. I considered a career in radio and even did some weekend overnight shift at a local "album rock" (Abrams) station. Decided I was not enough of a d*ckhead to work in commercial radio. Thanks for sticking with it, John. (Are there additional archives available somewhere?)

Not sure who first mentioned Frank Turner, but enjoying the samplings available on YouTube. I'd not heard of him. Interesting stuff.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 20:20:37 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

OK. I think it's time to hire Al Edge as my PR guy. I was reading some of the posts to my wife; in the backyard last night and she teared up. Not bad after 44 years of marriage this coming August. The power of the www amazed her. There was a time you could only be heard locally...now anywhere in the world. Thank you Al for everything. It's interesting that besides JT the recognition I am getting; which was a wonderful surprise is coming from the Hudson Valley in NY State, Georgia (where are you David P?) and across the pond.

Thanks to all again. I sincerely am humbled. I have always loved music and to present it again is a real treat. See if I can ride this out for awhile.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 11:59:30 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JQ

Not sure what you mean by note/address mate?

JD's radio station or RoseAnn herself or Bob Fino?


Entered at Wed Jul 20 11:48:23 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Rod and Wallsend

Oops - forgot to put that last post for your specific attention guys so apologies to all but I'll just repeat the initial message. Only I know how these things can tend to get overlooked with so many important things being discussed and all that.

:-0)

Have you had a listen to JD's show featuring RoseAnn yet fellas?

I've linked it above in case you're not sure where it is. RoseAnn's segment starts about an hour in but to be honest the entire show is fabulous with some amazing selections - a must listen!!

Enjoy.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Jul 20 11:42:56 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Bill M

What d'you think of the RoseAnn segment that JD featured in his show Bill lad?

Pretty damn good eh mate? Let's hope it helps to get the RoseAnn bandwagon rolling eh Bill?

:-0)


Entered at Wed Jul 20 11:38:50 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Have you had a listen to JD's show featuring RoseAnn yet fellas?

I've linked it above in case you're not sure where it is. RoseAnn's segment starts about an hour in but to be honest the entire show is fabulous with some amazing selections - a must listen!!

Enjoy.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Jul 20 09:57:07 CEST 2016 from (114.75.192.10)

Posted by:

Wallsend

I saw some of Rick's stuff up for sale in an auction house catalogue including the bass and violin he used at TLW. The same auction house had his driver's license up for sale as well which I thought was pretty sad. I seem to recall reading an article about someone who had one of Richard's piano's. With regard to the so called 'leadership' issue, I think after Robbie left, the Band went back to being more like the pre-Dylan Hawks which would suggest Levon was the leader at the beginning and the end but not in the middle bit.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 08:59:36 CEST 2016 from (210.86.79.132)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Band ownership

All this talk about leadership and pay got me wondering who owned all the Bands gear. I imagine that Garth and Richards keyboards cost alot more than Robbie's guitars and amp - and Rick got given most of his stuff anyway. On top of that is all the shared equipment - PAs etc and maybe that big mother of a speaker that was probably for the organ.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 07:00:51 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bryan Ferry

Funny, I've mentioned Ferry's "Tom Thumbs Blues" here several times over the years and just recently in connection to a discussion we were having on him....a lot gets lost here, I guess....... I did like the show's specific focus on "Touch Me" - stunningly good....visceral in the way great rock n roll always is.


Entered at Wed Jul 20 05:55:06 CEST 2016 from (76.66.112.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

John D: Never seem to manage to tune in for much of your show - something to do with summertime Saturdays, I'm sure. But now I'm listening to the mp3 version. Right now Brian Ferry is being his usual outstanding self; I thank you for playing his "Tom Thumb's Blues", which I hadn't heard before.

Nice, and very surprising, to hear Wes Dakus and the Rebels (from Alberta). As you know, almost all of their many, many records were recorded with Buddy Holly's producer, Norman Petty, in Clovis, New Mexico. (Another is at the link; it was the theme song of a Radio Caroline radio show in the UK in the '60s.) Through Petty they got to know his studio house band, the Fireballs. George Tomsco's distinctive guitar sound turns up on some of their records (but not these, I believe) and Rebels drummer Stu Mitchell took over for Doug Roberts of the Fireballs for a time. Mitchell also almost became a '70/'71-vintage Hawk, as he was in one of the two groups playing upstairs/downstairs in a Edmonton club. Ronnie Hawkins was in town, desperate to recruit a new set of musicians. He mashed together bits of both - David Foster, BJ Cook, Dwayne Ford, Hugh Brockie, Steve Pugsley and Brian Hilton (over Mitchell). Ford, Brockie and Hilton, along with Terry Danko and Jim Atkinson, later left Hawkins to record, somewhat Bandishly, as Bearfoot.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 18:54:45 CEST 2016 from (86.171.25.76)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ha Ha,Al

This is the St John joke I remember, Al. Now on the internet for posterity.

A man from Liverpool was touring the USA on holiday and stopped in a remote bar in the hills of Nevada. He was chatting to the bartender when he spied an old Native American man sitting in the corner. He had tribal gear on, long white plaits, wrinkled face. "Who's he?" asked the Liverpudlian. "That's the Memory Man." said the bartender. "He knows everything, remembers everything. He can remember every face he's ever seen. He can remember any fact he hears or reads. Go and try him out."

So the Liverpudlian goes over, and thinking he won't know about English football, asks "Who won the 1965 FA Cup Final?". "Liverpool" replies the Memory Man. "Who did they beat?" "Leeds" was the instant reply. "And the score?" "2-1." "Who scored the winning goal?" "Ian St. John" said the old man, without a hint of hesitation.

The Liverpudlian was knocked out by this and told everyone back home about the Memory Man when he got back.

A few years later he went back to the USA and tried to find the impressive Memory Man. Eventually he found the bar and sitting in the same seat was the old Native American, only this time he was older and even more wrinkled.

The Liverpudlian approached him with the greeting "How".

The Memory man looked up and said, "Diving header in the six yard box".


Entered at Tue Jul 19 18:28:11 CEST 2016 from (216.80.7.241)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: JDs show

Thanks Al, will do! Have you got an address/number where I can send a note?


Entered at Tue Jul 19 18:22:30 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Saint

Ha ha

Takes me back to that old gag Dunc

Back in the early '60's on the billboard outside the church in Liverpool a big notice proclaiming "WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF JESUS CAME DOWN TO EARTH TODAY?"

Underneath it someone had written 'Move St John to inside left!'

:-0)

For our non-footy New Worlders 'inside left' used to be a forward position on the footy pitch immediately next to the 'centre-forward' position which prior to Jesus descending to earth was the position of our Scottish international Ian St John.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 18:09:37 CEST 2016 from (86.171.25.76)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: St John

Al, it's because of Ian St John.

LOL. Need to tell John D. Ha Ha.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 18:04:53 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: St Mirren

Dunc, not sure why but ever since I was a kid they've been my Scottish team. Could be the catholic/saint thing with me being an altar boy and all that.

:-0)

Just been playing the show to two of the grandkids [10 and 7] after picking them up from school. Not impressed. I think JD's gonna have to find some way of working Minecraft into his next show otherwise he's gonna lose a swathe of the next generation who just don't seem to dig Little Milton!!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 17:33:55 CEST 2016 from (86.171.25.76)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: John's Latest Show

Have just finished listening to John's latest show with the Roseann section. Couldn't agree with you more Al Edge and JT.

Great show with a great section on Roseann.

Played the show in the garden -30c here - a rare occurrence. Really enjoyed it. Thanks, John.

Now for St Mirren v Ayr United tonight. This is real football, Al...forget about your 20m signings.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 16:14:25 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JT

Well said Jerry.

How fortunate you Torontonians have been to have such an insightful and knowledgeable music presenter. Yet what shines through above all else is an undiluted passion for music the likes of which has got to be so rare even within the zone that John operates.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 16:06:01 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Donabie rules the airwaves

Yes, John, on the west coast early early. Listened to the show and thanks for the shout out. I saw DCT at the Concord with the Shays. He was superb and his recent work on cd continues in his wonderful tradition with 'that voice' that can only be David. They are available at his website, I think.

As for Roseann Fino segment, it was superb. You nailed it with all the positive features of her work...the lyrics, the voice, the players and the music. Al an Dunc and all the others who appreciate Roseann.. John brought her out on radio in fine fashion and in the way that John does everything he does...first class.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 15:50:53 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: JQ

Have you had a listen to JD's show yet mate?

I've linked it in case you're not sure where it is. RoseAnn's segment starts about an hour in but to be honest the entire show is fabulous with some amazing selections - a must listen!!

Enjoy mate.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 14:37:34 CEST 2016 from (216.80.7.241)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Local Hero

Peter V - This is one of my favorite movies and in it a Scottie character (maybe the visiting Ruskie) makes the same comment about lobster being too expensive for the fishers that caught them. They're out on a plane to somewhere else - straightaway.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 13:04:29 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: WHAT...A...FUCKING...SHOW

John - I'm really not sure where to start.

Okay, feck it, I'll start with your son. What a super and entirely unexpected little bonus that was. Brought tears to these eyes I can tell you with its impromptu and clearly sincere spontaneity. He's obviously inherited your incredible musical ears/appreciation. What a real thrill to hear him say "he's in love with RoseAnn" - okay so he's yet another we'll now all have to share her with but as that's the object of the exercise - who's counting!

:-0)

Your segment on RoseAnn?

Absolutely superb. If I just say that she's so good it's hard to find the right words to do justice to her and her band and their music. Yet you managed to do just that. Seemingly effortlessly but in reality the culmination of decades of a musical immersion that so few have acquired or ever will acquire. I salute you mate.

As for the show itself. I've now heard four of your shows right through [ all in arrears so it now seems!!! :-0)]. If I may say that this one was the pick so far and not simply because of the RoseAnn segment, although clearly that for me was the cherry on the top. From the hilarious Cheech and Chong opening which took me back to Boaler Street Liverpool, through the exquisite Joni and all those other delights it was comfortably the finest two hours radio listening I've ever encountered.

The range of previously unheard delights is almost too much to absorb. Brian Ferry and Tom Thumb indeed!!

If anyone ever asks me to define the term DJ then for me that definition is now as simple as shelling peas. Just reverse the letters. Long may you reign mate!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 10:58:43 CEST 2016 from (86.171.25.76)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

I'm with you on chorizo, Peter...it's everywhere up here, but I love mussels(farmed in Orkney and the West Coast) and scallops, which are expensive.

When I went to a talk on the Basement Tapes by Sid Griffin at an Americana festival at Perth several years ago,(a really good afternoon, he illustrated points by playing songs), when dealing with controversial points he was tactful. But he spoke in terms of a band needing one person to get things done. He, himself, took on that role in his band because nobody else wanted to take on this role or was capable of taking on this role. He said that Mick Jagger took on that role in the Stones and Robbie in the Band. I took from this that The Band was not about some guys fighting to become a leader, but that Robbie getting things done just evolved. He was guarded in how he spoke.

JohnD:I enjoyed the show prior to the show now on the site very much. Liked the parts on the jazz guitarist and drumming on 'Like A Rolling Stone' very much. I remember when I was a boy, I thought it was so cool that there was a cigarette smoking away attached to the strings at the top of the guitar, the guitarist the height of cool. Like the themes very much. I don't feel we have a show with such catholic taste in the UK just now. Thanks, John.

Looking forward to the Roseann show. If you heve a time coming up where you have to buy somebody a present, keep in mind the Roseann Fino CDs. She's very good, and there is a link to this community.

Really enjoyed the previous posts. Thanks guys.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 10:31:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: More money …

I had to check out how good $162.50 a week was in 1964. A quick google shows $94 a week to be the US average. Was it good money? It depends whether that was the pay before or after accommodation expenses. If they were on $1300 a week, and 10% went to Colonel Kudlets, and $100 to Bill Avis, and their split was either 962.50 for the band + Robbie's car money, and possibly plus money to Levon's mom and dad, then it doesn't look as if there were any left over for accommodation from a pool BEFORE wages (about $70 left). So if they had to pick up hotels, it would be a living wage, but not fantastic.

In British terms they would have been doing rather better as it translates at over double the average wage.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 09:45:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Money

p 15/106 TWOF. First name was the Levon Helm Sextet (my name went on the band as a seniority thing).

“soon we turned into Levon & The Hawks, which sounded better to me. Sometimes it was The Hawks. We also got booked into places we’d recently played by calling ourselves The Canadian Squires.

Bill Avis on money. “I’d send $150 to Levon’s Mom and Dad.” The Colonel got 10%. Bill Avis got $100. Ish (Jerry Penfound) got $150. All the others but Robbie got $162.50, and Robbie got a little more because he was making half the payments on our company car.

It’s unclear from that whether Levon got less ($150 to his mum and dad) or more ($150 to mom and dad + $162.50).

He mentions later that they played a week for $1300.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 09:20:20 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: TWOF

Ah! All is clear about the name “The Hawks.”

TWOF, p103.

(Rick) … “You’re our official leader anyway, if you think about the union.

It was true. I had seniority in the band, and The Hawk had never joined the musicians’ union, so for all those years the contracts were in my name.

(i.e. In effect, Levon owned the name The Hawks, not Ronnie)

On leaving The Hawk, p100:

By then we were starting to squabble with The Hawk. By “we”, I mean Robbie and myself.

(Later) “Levon” (Robbie) said, “Do we really need Ronnie?”

So it looks as I thought that there were two “natural leaders” or spokesmen. During that near two year Levon absence, the junior one became ascendant.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 09:04:00 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Follow the leader

The Musicians Union in the UK asked for a designated "leader" and I think the USA was the same. Doesn't Levon mention this in his book … that he got paid more? When Ronnie came to do the UK TV show he brought just Levon, because you were allowed to bring an MD - musical director, though you had to use British musicians otherwise. Levon came as MD. I'm sure the TV powers in Britain were thinking of a chap in a DJ with a baton to conduct the British band, rather than a drummer to set the feel.

Even today, in theatre programmes, the backing musicians for the play will have one marked as "MD" even if it's a three piece.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 06:34:12 CEST 2016 from (76.66.112.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: leadership

I haven't thought this all the way through, but I'm thinking right now that 'leadership' with the Hawks and the Band was pretty fluid - mostly non-existent, situational, at times legalistic only. (Kinda like the way they sang, come to think of it.) Levon decided to go with the five Canadians instead of staying with Hawkins partly because he'd be the leader and have his name up front. But such a transactional arrangement is arguably not truly leadership, which ought to be more organic. As we've seen, without followers even a president or prime minister is not a leader. And none of the others followed Levon out the door when he left Dylan. On the other hand, live tapes of the Hawks have Levon doing the talking, meaning he was the spokesman - onstage at least; as JT just pointed out, onstage was all they had at that time, so it's likely that everyone not in the group would have inferred that Levon was the leader, and maybe he was in the eyes of the rest of the group too. But he wasn't with Dylan, and he wasn't when he came back into the fold in Woodstock. And Robbie quite possibly wasn't either (even if he was the spokesman generally), except in the late game when he was in a sense the last man standing. Even if his team-mates weren't enthusiastic, they also weren't sufficiently unenthusiastic to do anything to stop him from doing what he thought needed doing. The Hilary Clinton of his day, perhaps?


Entered at Tue Jul 19 05:18:33 CEST 2016 from (32.216.245.190)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Oodles of Noodles

Jeff, I think Ronnie Hawkins covered the topic of noodle slapping in his infamous Rolling Stone interview. I didn't feel that I could push that mixed metaphor any further. I was already on a slippery slope.

And like Levon said in that celluloid classic TLW. I thought we were supposed to pan away from that. ;-)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 04:40:44 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.101)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Todd, you noticed The Band did not cook or slap with noodles.....

That image you provided earlier today- 3 dictionaries on the hood of a cadillac convertible in the background & Peter slapping you with a wet noodle cracked me up.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 03:24:15 CEST 2016 from (97.33.64.228)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: All together now

I ultimately think that the real problem is trying to look at what The Band created together through the lens of a capitalist meritocracy. They certainly all had their roles and jobs to do, but what they achieved on an artistic and human level refuses to be bound the rigidly defined model that one would apply to factory or assembly line work. It was much more organic & communal in nature, and trying to assign a varying degree of monetary compensation to that delicate balance ultimately results in instability and threatens the very chemistry of the foundation.

Many groups have talent, can sing, are good musicians, have good looks and ambition, but still never make it out of the garage or the local music scene. The Band had that X factor that is indefinable but undeniable. The spaces and places between the notes is where much of the magic happened. It was a living-breathing organism that only a higher power can explain or take credit for. That will always be there in the music, and despite any acrimony that may have occurred, can never be denied. It’s a gift that we’re all grateful for.

If Rick collected the water, Levon collected the firewood, Richard gathered the vegetables, Robbie cleaned the chicken, and Garth stirred the pot while sprinkling in mysterious and magical spices, then shouldn’t they all be sitting down at the table to enjoy a bowl of gumbo together? They each played an important role, but at the end of the day nobody else made quite the same gumbo…..even if they were using same the recipe book.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 03:13:08 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Funny.....I have never fast-forwarded through a Joni song in my life ( ah, hold on, other than TLW ) and loved that opening number but I've only got about 20 mins tonight before going out and wanted to get to RoseAnn......damn that ciut link, I spent all of Joni and Honky Tonk Women trying to figure out how to get that little arrow to move forward....to no avail !

I'll have to listen tomorrow night.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 01:46:22 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Link to Mixed Bag/ Frank Turner

Link is to John D's wonderful radio show. The entire show was great. RoseAnn's segment is at about the 1 hour mark. Thanks again John!

Joe J, RoseAnn is a big Frank Turner fan and is all in with that compliment! Thanks for sharing her music. We really appreciate it.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 01:11:58 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

Still Monday here Al and the show is up. Don't know what time they did it; but it will be there; when you rise and shine in Liverpool tomorrow morning.


Entered at Tue Jul 19 00:17:47 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hey Joe...

Where you goin' with that...

:-0)

....you know you're son/daughter could well be onto something with the Frank Turner thing. I'd never heard of him but I just spent the last hour or so trawling You Tube and I can definitely see the parallel. Terrific stuff.

Truth be known, if his voice had sounded just a smidgeon more English I just know I wouldn't have managed that initial connection with him but the fact he's that tiny bit removed from full English sounding gives me the go ahead to have a bash at getting into him.

Delighted btw to see you're spreading RoseAnitis around!!!

John D - just off to beddy byes - still got the previous archive show on download - I'm assuming it'll be on archive tomorrow now! No problem.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 19 00:06:59 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

On fish farming, Roger Daltrey was said to be an early trout farming entrepreneur, though trout farming dates back to Medieval monasteries.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 23:53:49 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Observer magazine did a restaurant piece recently where they mention "The Brooklyn Bar Menu" generator online. It makes ludicrous combinations, the example being "market chorizo tartare." Here, I reckon a lot of scallops are farmed. Virtually all sea bass comes from Greek farms (so not exactly fresh by the time it gets to the UK). The vast majority of salmon is farmed. An allergy specialist said that scallops and mussels absorb toxins, so are fine if found in clean water, which I guess you have in Newfoundland. You might well not have such clean water on the British coasts.

Poole Bay used to produce wonderful flounder, but I haven't seen it much recently. Too much leisure boating, maybe … which also impacts on water quality in a fairly shallow harbour. We do get wild sea bass off the beaches near here, and the difference between farmed Mediterranean sea bass, and fresh wild English Channel sea bass is huge.

There's a strange thing about Britain and fish. We watched a huge catch of lobster being unloaded near here early one morning. We asked where you could buy it. You can't. It goes straight to the airport and flies to France where people pay much more for good fresh fish.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 23:14:43 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.150)

Posted by:

Kevin J

When PBS needs viewers and money they hire local radio guys who wear bad sweaters and do pledge drives while showing – usually - great movies….The Band’s GB skips the pledge drives, sweaters and movies and goes straight to Robbie/Levon.

Leadership is a very tricky area. One of the most touching things ever written about the Robbie and Levon relationship was by Levon’s wife/ Amy's mother concerning the essential years of The Band – 1968 through 1974 and she describes two people during that entire period that “shared each other’s soul” each and every day and that no one ever got between them – the Robbie-Levon “double helix” is how she described it. Regardless of who took more or less of a leadership position in dealing with band business during this period, it really must have been a kick in the stomach to be called into a room and told The Band was effectively being ended. We all know the rest of the story and even though none of us would know each other had TLW never happened…I am deeply saddened that it has led to so much division in bandland.

Thank to Bob F and Little brother and others re: Planet Waves........time to listen to some things I've overlooked.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 22:06:06 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Chorizo

Chorizo doesn't seem to have made its way here yet. Probably a good thing.

Mussels and scallops however are essential to life. I've had fresh mussels and/or scallops a dozen times this summer. I know the mussel farmers and scallop divers. I catch my own cod. When we eat out we eat exclusively seafood. Usually we'll skip the main and load up on all the appetizers. Scallops, mussels, squid, bluefin tuna, trout, char. Helps to live in a fishing village with fresh product. I avoid the flatfishes like sole, flounder and turbot though these are OK if very fresh.

I've shared my RoseAnne Fino music with my kids. One of them is really enthused. A female Frank Turner he said. Now I have to catch up on Frank Turner with whom I'm vaguely familiar; someone on the GB gave me a heads up on him some years ago. Seriously, I'm depending on you guys for my musical direction. By the way , the first side of "Planet Waves" and "Dirge" is as good as it gets re Dylan.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 21:12:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A sense of deja vu has come upon me and it’s not the CSNY album. There’s usually a “director” but a great movie will not work unless it also has great performers. Same with a band. “director” is a legitimate role (leader if you like) but I don’t see why that diminishes the others in the slightest. as I said, nearly every band has one media-friendly spokesperson.

On Levon & The Hawks, Levon was the MU accredited leader. He jumped ship for a long time. he came back. Inevitably, the dynamics had changed. I don’t think he ever accepted that. Basis of the problem.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 20:53:17 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.150)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Todd.....In all the significant interviews over the years that we have both read....LA Times, Rolling Stone, Musician Magazine, etc.....he has always been very clear about explaining just what made the Band so special and also being extremely generous and even protective of his band mates........but, c'mon, a rock star in 1973 was likely dong 30 back to back 5 minute radio hits in a day to promote a new album and when he got to ''Radio Lux", I am sure he really couldn't have cared less about correcting a DJ on wording. The funny thing was the dj was not wrong as Robbie was the leader of the band. He decided exactly what direction they would take on MFBP according to John Simon......He wrote most of the songs......he masterminded their most famous and enduring legacy - The Last Waltz - even came up with the name, The Last Waltz. According to Bill Graham, there was only one guy in The Band to talk to if you wanted any decision made on anything. Modesty prevents him from talking about this but any band like any sports team has leaders. Just a fact.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 20:48:46 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: New 'reality'?

In the 60s, with Levon and the Hawks (no Crackers or The Band yet), Levon was the leader of the group. There were however no interviews etc and no major media attention at that time. What happened thereafter, I think, had a lot to do with media focusing on Robbie Robertson as they looked for a spokesperson. That is what the media do and they create a reality that may not exist. Similarly, Mr. Scorsese had the need to focus for his 'film needs' and so a myth grows. Finally, we get all this BS regarding $$$ and feuds and royalties and negativity with villains created as the story gets told over and over again. Loyalties prevail and the reality of the five musicians as a unit becomes subverted and ultimately overwhelmed. This is why I ignore this BS and stick to the music. I was not there and I don't know the truths except for those early years when the boys were at the Concord and were growing as an entity. One thing is certain. One has to be very careful with what one says to media/interviews, since it can be misconstrued or worse, misused and before you know it, there is a new reality to foist on an unsuspecting public.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 19:52:35 CEST 2016 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

Where is this 1973 radio interview with Robbie?


Entered at Mon Jul 18 19:30:09 CEST 2016 from (32.216.245.190)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Not A CCR Situation

Kevin J. I have no doubt that Robbie truly believed that The Band was composed of 5 equals. And it's true that he has said it many times in interviews over the years.....Which is why it's odd that he wouldn't have taken a few seconds to clarify that in the 1973 radio interview for the benefit of the DJ and his listeners. Not saying that he had to apologize, or go on a rant about it, but just provide a little clarification.

What's also true, is that in other interviews, Robbie has stated that he just worked harder than anyone else. I suppose he may have just been having a grumpy day, or was feeling a little bit more equal than the others at that particular moment.

But I still think, as I mentioned earlier, that it's a little curious that any reference to "Levon and the Hawks" is absent from the bio page, while "Canadian Squires" is specifically detailed. However I'm not losing sleep over it. Just noting the inconsistency.

Ian W, thanks for the excerpts from the 1966 Melody Maker. In that case I think there's no real issue. Could have easily said Rick's group, etc. depending on who they were referring to at the time. Kind of like being a member of a team. Everyone on the team would feel like it was their team. Or a family, as in: "Todd is going on vacation with his family". Doesn't mean it's my family exclusively. My wife and daughters have equal membership.
Although this is clear....I'm certainly not the leader. Everyone know that Mom is the boss!

Peter V. Now that you've slapped me with that wet noodle regarding the Cambridge vs. Oxford dictionary (which was really just the first thing that came up on google) I will go back to my trusty Merriam-Webster dictionary in the future. You know...the one where they spell "center" instead of "centre". Those cheeky Americans. ;-)
Thanks for the derivation of "helm" though. There was a rumor going around that it was another word for the steering wheel of an early 1960's Cadillac!


Entered at Mon Jul 18 15:11:37 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pete's beef and JD's show

Ha ha

Got to say that was a fantabulous rant Pete lad!! And I speak as one who's never ever tasted chorizo. Nor do I ever intend to following your expert insight!! Ha ha.

Wonderful!

:-0)

Thanks for heads up John. Really looking forward to it.


Entered at Mon Jul 18 11:38:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

A rare culinary "rant" is up on my blog: Chorizo is Vile. (Linked for anyone interested).


Entered at Mon Jul 18 05:01:34 CEST 2016 from (76.66.112.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: TLW tribute - video and tour news

Happy news for Band fans in Canada's prairie provinces. Here's a promo note that I received by email today - along with a link to the attached video on the group that does the show (which includes Levon's godson, Jerome Avis). Jerome's father, long-time Band roadmanager Bill Avis, appears too.

*************************

We're coming to Winnipeg! …...and Regina, and Alberta.

The LAST WALTZ - A Musical Celebration of THE BAND - Live' is coming to the West End Cultural Centre on Wed Aug 24. 2016.
This critically acclaimed show will be marking the 40th Anniversary of THE BAND's last concert which was filmed by Martin Scorcese.
The Canadian Blues All Stars including Chuck Jackson (lead singer Downchild Blues Band), Johnny Max, and Kitchener On phenom Matt Weidinger will join the 9 piece band performing the Band and gust songs from this memorable concert.
On drums and vocals is, Jerome Levon Avis (Levon Helm's godson) and the group is led by Juno award winning producer Lance Anderson.

Get your tickets early, this show will sell out! ONE Nite ONLY!

http://www.wecc.ca/site09/indeprod.html

Check out our EPK on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtOkJziAkAY

Other dates:

Thurs. Aug 25th - Casino Regina, Regina SK - https://casinoregina.com/entertainment/318
Friday Aug. 26th - Century Casino Edmonton AB - http://edmonton.cnty.com/showroom/showroom-events/upcoming-events/
Saturday Aug 27th - Lethbridge Fair Lethbridge AB - http://www.exhibitionpark.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Whoop-Up-Days-2016-Gas-King-Stage-Pioneer-Park-Concert-Line-Up.pdf
Sunday Aug. 28th - Festival Hall - CALGARY AB (tickets on sale soon)


Entered at Mon Jul 18 03:48:31 CEST 2016 from (24.114.72.241)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Lunacy, heading for the brexit like that.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 23:54:26 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, reminds me of a story I heard in Japan circa 1980. One of the American publisher's reps told me he studied Chinese, and went to Vietnam in the war to monitor Chinese broadcasts. Let's say his name was Homer Simpson (it wasn't). He reported the first evening and sat down to monitor the Chinese broadcasts. The first thing he heard was "We would like to welcome (Homer Simpson) from (3165 Cherry Street, Detroit) who arrived this afternoon, and started listening to us at 7 pm. We hope you enjoyed the meat loaf and beans for dinner, Homer, and we send our best wishes to your dad, George, and mom, Winifred and your brother Tommy at Lincoln High School."

OK, I made up all the names and addresses, but the gist is what he told me. it was the scariest moment of his life … and they knew they were being watched right down to what they had for dinner.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 23:11:05 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The leader of the group ?????

Robbie Robertson was interviewed by MELODY MAKER in May 1966. The article starts by referring to Robbie as "the man whose group has been backing Bob Dylan on his .... tour" and, at the end, refers to "Robbie's group".

Of course, this may be slack journalism rather than Robbie being proprietorial but I thought it might add to the earlier discussion.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 22:50:16 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Münchhausen

Subject: The Russian Message

Ragtime, altijd goed je weer te zien.

When I was younger they set me to work for Her Majesty. I had to serve in a bunker deep under West Berlin. They gave me a green headphone and told me watch a little red light and intercept Russians messages. I served my duty in that bunker for exactly one year. We did all kinds of stupid things there and listened to The Band a lot, but we never ever did catch one single Russian message.

On my last night in the bunker, the day I turned 25, in the middle of the night, suddenly the little red light began to flicker, for the first time …….
Carefully I laid a worn Playboy aside and put on my green headphones. Would they start to nuke on my last day of duty? ….. no, that couldn’t be true. …… but then again……. somehow it all became deadly serious.

The message had ended abrupt as it came, the marker had already marked the message on the reel to reel tape. “Play” I asked him … I listened through my phones….I couldn’t understand it. WWIII on my birthday? This was so weird it had to be true. I panicked: “Get the Russian AND the captain!” .... Not much late the Russian translator, the captain, the marker and me sat close together listening to the Russian code message over and over again......the red light still flickering .... Well, what does it say? ……..The captain got impatient. The translator wrote something on a piece of paper and then read it out loud, with a Russian alcohol accent;

“Ghappy Birthgday Norbert!”

I walked up the stairs and drove back to Holland that night for the last time, a 1000 miles smiling …. Fucking Russians.
I have never returned to Berlin again.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 19:26:17 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The CCR reference is very early … 1969? He described CCR as "John Fogerty & some guys" rather than a band.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 18:45:36 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Strength of The Band - Just 50 words and perfect

From an LA Times interview mid-90's......see below....one of hundreds of interviews over the years where Robbie has gone out of his way to describe The Band as 5 equal pieces. In many cases, he would do this by pointing out how other bands - notably CCR - were far from this ideal. Also worth noting that the other members of the 90's Band did actually refer to Levon as the boss.

Q: What about Levon's criticism about you trying to be the boss in the Band?

A: I never wanted to be the boss, and, in fact, I never thought I was the boss. I was just trying to organize things so we could do things like make records and go out and play a show somewhere. It was not a big controlling thing on my part, but you know what happens in these situations.

In a group, one guy is really good at this and one guy is good at that, and it kind of all settles. I just kind of found myself in the position of: "If I don't do this, nobody's going to do it. We'll just be sitting here in a year saying, 'I don't know, what do you think?' " So you have to try to get things moving.

Q: What was the strength of the Band?

A: The fact that it was a real band . . . five parts. Garth was the most accomplished musician in rock 'n' roll, bar none. Rick reinvented bass playing. Levon had a sound on his drums that no one else had. Other drummers used to kiss his hands. Plus Rick and Richard and Levon were all such great voices.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 17:52:13 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: helmsman

tut tut, Todd. A Cambridge dictionary? Oxford is the authority. I think from the dates that "helm" for a tiller controlling a rudder, is the secondary meaning, derived from helm for head armour, or as we know it now, helmet. And helm can also mean the top of the head, so the "leading item" hence a control for boats.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 17:46:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Why I'm sore …

This is from my review of A Midsummer Night's Dream yesterday. As it has nothing to do with the play but explains why I'm feeling irascible, I'll cut and paste it here!

I had an accident-prone day in Stratford-upon-Avon. We drove from Norwich, an uneventful trip. However, while looking for cheap art supplies in The Works store, a beefy Korean lad stood on my big toe, said “Sorry” turned round and stamped on it again, even harder. I limped along Sheep Street. You’d think with its tourist trade, car parks alone would make Stratford-upon-Avon wealthy enough to maintain its streets. I trod on a paving stone, it pivoted, dropped at least a centimetre and propelled me face first onto the ground. I just managed to get my hand down, but am severely bruised along one side. For an elderly person, that could be a broken hip, go to hospital and never come out again. There were several rocking stones on the side going up from the Royal Shakespeare Theatre. Then I had a narrow escape in the narrow toilets next to the Swan Theatre … no, don’t worry. A man with a large blue backpack swung round, I jerked my head back and the backpack just missed me … and my glasses. Oddly, earlier this year, a similar bearded man with a blue rucksack took off someone’s spectacles in the same toilet with his backpack, and just walked away. Was it the same clumsy bastard? Who are these people? I assume cyclists, packing up their lurid lycra in a backpack. Then in the interval, moving back to the theatre my wife yelped just behind me, then two hands pushed me hard in the back. Two women next to us were saying “Look at him … he pushed us … did he push you too?” A man in his 70s (pinkish trousers, blue shirt) was pushing his way urgently through the crowd by pushing both hands out in front of him and just pushing people very hard in the back. Panic? Lunacy? Senility?


Entered at Sun Jul 17 17:39:18 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Odd. I'm editing a simplified story today which has "kites" (birds) in it. I suggested it was obscure vocabulary for learners, and that it should be changed to "eagle." The author asked if "hawk" was better and I said yes. Hawks are better than eagles. Then I opened the Guestbook …


Entered at Sun Jul 17 17:26:54 CEST 2016 from (24.114.76.182)

Posted by:

Bill M

JQ: Just realised it was the Eagles who did "Trying To Get To You", though there were doo-wopping Hawks. Sorry.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 14:46:20 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Web: My link

Subject: The Band official website

Is this link not working anymore? Does anyone know?


Entered at Sun Jul 17 13:00:58 CEST 2016 from (79.176.135.252)

Posted by:

Cooper City Locksmith

Location: Cooper City FL
Web: My link

Subject: This Site

Appreciating the commitment you put into your website and detailed information you present. It's great to come across a blog every once in a while that isn't the same old rehashed material. Great read! I've bookmarked your site and I'm adding your RSS feeds to my Google account.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 12:59:51 CEST 2016 from (79.176.135.252)

Posted by:

Cooper City Locksmith

Location: Cooper City FL
Web: My link

Subject: the band

I have come to understand that service fees for on-line degree authorities tend to be an incredible value. Like a full 4-year college Degree in Communication in the University of Phoenix Online consists of Sixty credits from $515/credit or $30,900. Also American Intercontinental University Online offers a Bachelors of Business Administration with a total school requirement of 180 units and a price of $30,560. Online studying has made taking your certification been so detailed more than before because you can earn your degree in the comfort of your dwelling place and when you finish from office. Thanks for all the other tips I have certainly learned from your site.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 06:03:36 CEST 2016 from (32.216.245.190)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Ahoy Matey

Thanks Bill for filling in the picture a little more re: The Hawks.

It just occurred to me that since the Hawks name derived from Hawkins, the boys could have followed suit and called themselves "Levon and the Helmsmen". Of course then they'd all want turns piloting the ship.

According to the Cambridge dictionary, the definition of helm is: "the handle or wheel which controls the direction in which a ship or boat travels".

Slow down Willie Boy....


Entered at Sun Jul 17 05:31:58 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Hawks

Thanks Bill, I had read of Ronnie's disappointment and the awkwardness of the whole break up. But I didn't know the name was treated so generically, like public domain.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 04:25:43 CEST 2016 from (24.114.76.182)

Posted by:

Bill M

Wallsend: Don't forget 'autonomous' - and would you please stop clacking those coconuts together.

JQ: I've never heard of anything that would count as 'agro' - just Ronnie's disappointment with Levon for deciding to go with the departing Canadians rather than staying with Ronnie to drum and help manage the new Hawks (aka the Disciples) and other artists in Ronnie's stable at Hawk Enterprises.

As for the use of the Hawks name, 1) nobody cared about that stuff back then, but if they did 2) there was the R&B vocal group the Hawk who'd recorded the original "Trying To Get To You" for Mercury, and 3) there was the fact that Levon et Al had as much claim to the name as Ronnie did. And perhaps more. (At one point in '66, "Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks" were playing one Toronto bar, "Levon and the Hawks" were in another and "Robbie lane and the Disciples (formerly the Hawks)" were in a third.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 02:50:17 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn Fino at the Shrine, Harlem

Anyone in the NYC area RoseAnn and her band will be playing the Shrine World Music Venue in Harlem this Tuesday 7/19 at 8pm.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 02:45:07 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: RoseAnn On Mixed Bag

John D, thank you. Fabulous segment on RoseAnn. It was so kind of you. It's getting so hard to get anyone to listen to new music. For you to use your program to help an independent woman artist says so much about the kind of person you must be. Truly can't thank you enough.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 02:39:56 CEST 2016 from (122.104.15.54)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

I like to think of The Band was an anarcho-syndicalist commune.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 02:14:33 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Levon and The Hawks

I suspect this has been answered many times but was there much agro from Ronnie H when they left and took the name The Hawks?


Entered at Sun Jul 17 01:52:20 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al

Hopefully you should get it Monday Al.


Entered at Sun Jul 17 00:59:18 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: RoseAnn on John Donabie's Mixed Bag

Ha ha! What an idiot.

After all my excitement over the show I only went and listened to the previous archived show by mistake and will now have to wait until Tuesday to catch the archive of today's show.

Fortunately Bob has e-mailed me to say it was a wonderful show with a marvelous feature on RoseAnn featuring three songs - one from each of her records.

As the show I was listening to progressed I sat there contentedly early on simply enjoying John's dulcet tones and that varied musical selection in which he excels but then as 8pm came and went I became gradually more and more apprehensive and forlorn as time seemed to be slipping away with no sign of the RoseAnn feature. By the end I found myself cursing the poor drummer of the Yardbirds who I was holding firmly responsible for taking RoseAnn's spot on the show!!

:-0)

What a relief when minutes later I got Bob's e-mail extolling JD's wonderful show and RoseAnn's feature!!

What a pillock I felt.

Anyroad, whilst I'll have to wait a few days to hear the show, I have to say here and now a huge thank you to John. You're an amazing disc jockey mate with a musical depth few can even come close to matching. But above all a great fella for taking the time and trouble to provide a virtually unknown talent with the sort of platform that so few are ever prepared to do no matter how merited it might be.

Roll on Tuesday!!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 16 20:17:11 CEST 2016 from (32.216.245.190)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Leader of The Band / Levon and The Hawks

In that sort of interview situation, it' not necessary to apologize for the radio host's perception of the situation.......But it would have been easy enough to clarify that The Band was different from a lot of other groups, and that their strength derived from the collective nature of the group.

Somewhat interesting, is that on Robbie's Bio page of his website, the Hawks are only ever referred to as the Hawks. Although it's detailed that the record label used the name "The Canadian Squires" on the single 'Uh-Uh-Uh' as a way of differentiating the group from being Ronnie Hawkins backup band, it's stated that they never changed their name (from the Hawks) during this time period.

What's curious, is that there is no mention of the group being named "Levon and the Hawks" which is what they went by at the time, after leaving Ronnie Hawkins, and I believe they were even referred to at the time they started performing with Bob Dylan. Must have fallen into the memory hole of history.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 19:41:26 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: No leader

Kevin J

What he should have said is this:

And now Noel the Moron, just SIT and LISTEN... I am NOT the leader of The Band, we HAVE NO leader, it's all a group effort, as Levon will tell you over and over and over and over again...


Entered at Sat Jul 16 18:05:33 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.251)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC, i won't be around till tonight to see your possibly sooner response, but if you think that I did not indicate it strongly involves Israel, & is potentially centered on or mainly starts with anti Israel sentiment by extremist or most Arab Moslems, you are misquided. This is not to say that the extremists are not anti everyone who is non Muslim. But i don't see where you can disagree with me. Unless you think that Israel is at fault. Then we differ strongly. And other than to say I find Israel blameless, I'm not having the discussion online. But if that is your position i would like to know what you made of Muslim crusades in ancient times. Across several continents. Would you blame those on the state of Israel as well? I'm pretty liberal on most social issues but i find bleeding heart liberals disgusting & delusional when they condemn people defending their lives & homes honorably, & as humanely as possible, against terrorist & political terrorists who created the Palestinian refugee situation, perpetuate it , & use their own people as pawns for close to 60 years. & also use them as human shields. Wake up & learn yourself some facts NWC.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 15:45:40 CEST 2016 from (83.249.162.136)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Footballs (politics)

This time I strongly disagree with JEFF A. It is about the state of Israel.

A few years ago a Swedish/Finnish fishing boat loaded with children's footballs tried to sail to Gaza on the coastal region of Eastern Mediterranean sea. Children's footballs are not allowed to be imported to Gaza. Israeli authorities say that. I liked to play football as a kid. Everybody should own a football. That's why I donated a little money when they anchored for a couple of nights here. Then in the international water the ship was boarded by commando soldiers and the kids didn't get their footballs. I can't get over this unjustice!

To be balanced I post a link to an exhibition in Fishermen's Museum in our fishing hamlet on saving Jews in 1943.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 15:13:29 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"And Good Morning Luxembourg, we are very pleased to be joined today by the leader of Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page......how are you doing Jimmy?".........."Fine.....but please Mr. Big Voice, never ever ever refer to me as the leader, or principle songwriter or guitar player in the band......I will only answer to Spokesman as that's all I really am."


Entered at Sat Jul 16 14:57:58 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: River Hymn

'River Hymn' is a fine song IMO. It falls into a traditional form with a gospel feel and is sung well and played well. I can understand why some may not like it as it sits uncomfortably in an album of varied songs, but I like it as I like Cahoots as an album. Like so many Dylan albums, the less effective Band albums are better than the best work of some.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 10:35:02 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Spokesman

When Cahoots came out I was listening to Radio Luxemburg 208. The DJ on duty was Noel Edmunds, who obviously didn't know a thing about The Band. He had a phone conversation with "the leader of The Band", Robbie Robertson, who said some useful things about the songs in spite of Edmunds' silly questions. I was surprised. I never knew they had a leader. Robbie didn't deny he was the leader, he should have said: sorry, I'm only our spokesman.

btw Edmunds called The River Hymn the apotheosis of the album. One of their worst songs ever IMHO.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 07:37:49 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

I marvelled at TLW, without coming out thinking about disharmony at all. That only emerged with the 90s books. I was aware that all the Rolling Stone and NME interviews seemed to be Robbie, right from the start. But that's normal for any band or creative group.

I think back and four or five kids would be called to the headmaster's office and he'd say "So what have you got to say for yourselves?" And there'd be silence and shuffling about, then I'd always find myself the first to actually speak. There are natural "spokespersons" in life, in trade unions, in bands.

For example, in the Moody Blues, it would always be Graeme Edge who ended up speaking to the press, and in Yes it would be Bill Bruford (early days). They were articulate and not embarrassed to speak. I always thought simply that was Robbie's natural role.

But when I first saw TLW, I was obtuse enough not to detect the tensions that I can see now armed with the information from the books.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 05:37:25 CEST 2016 from (70.121.40.130)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: olde time religion / planet waves

yes! love it when they play olde time religion in the last waltz; it's my favorite scene. love the expression on rick's face and the sparkle in his eyes as they play. another favorite moment is mavis staple's spoken "beautiful" as they finish singing the weight. grateful i got to see the band live twice: one time before the last waltz, and one time following the release of jericho.

and i have to say i'm a fan of planet waves. one of my favorite dylan albums. ralph gleason had high praise for it too.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 04:33:39 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.251)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Actually Al, closer is- Played live, by musicians, or even in overdubs, maybe lesser or more so in situations, music is a language they speak to each other.. Like in conversations, communication works to various degrees, and fails to various degrees. It's rare musicians can speak the tongues those 5 guys were able to speak to each other, communicate, stimulate , & advance the conversation to that of stone cold singular genius & beauty.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 01:59:09 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.251)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, the music is the thing. Of course. What musicians can accomplish is on a different plane. what the guys in the band accomplished, was on a plane that very few musicians ever visit.Yes, the friendship or length of level of closeness certainly helped........but it's the music first.Music is a language. communication works and fais to various degrees. It's rare musicians can speak the tongues those guys were able to speak to each other.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 01:10:24 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: JD's Mixed Bag Radio Show tomorrow [Saturday]

On an enticing comforting note, a gentle reminder for all GB'ers that John Donabie is hoping to feature RoseAnn tomorrow on his wonderful mixed bag musical meander

The show starts at 7pm UK time [that's 2pm Toronto time] and the feature on RoseAnn and her music is supposed to be at 8pm UK time [that's 3pm Toronto time]

Internet link is above and as follows:

http://www.ciut.fm/shows-2/music-shows/mixed-bag/

A must listen!!!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 16 00:58:41 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Band and their religion

John, I'm really pleased you highlighted the bit you did because since my comments about the 'fools paradise' lens through which I view The Band and their music and the back door advice from NWC, Jeff and Pete about such a perception, I've been reflecting on it quite a bit.

I guess the easiest way of conveying my own perception of The Band is by using the obvious vehicle that has afforded The Band its largest catchment audience, namely The Last Waltz.

Like every other Band devotee, I enjoyed the Last Waltz immensely. I watched it on its initial late ‘70’s UK cinema release which came a decade after my late sixties Big Pink initiation. To finally get to see my heroes [almost] in the flesh for the very first time was a thrill to compare with any. And yet, truth be told, the only snatch of that movie that fully met with my own preconception of what The Band truly represented came with the fleeting Ole Time Religion cameo, one that most seem to regard as merely an incidental throwaway scene when compared to the movie's main thrust.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I didn’t enjoy watching the main action and especially the group performing/talking collectively or individually. Rather, the opposite. I savoured every second of every shot.

It’s simply that the ‘Religion’ clip, brief as it was, will for me always stand as the movie’s very cornerstone. I realize that few would ever place it in such an elevated spot in the Last Waltz pantheon or that it was ever intended by Scorsese and Robbie to be so regarded. Clearly Robbie's comment, almost apologetic, that 'it's not like it used to be' reveals what is a great fondness for the clip and the spirit it represented. However, it also likely betrays the fact that whilst he dearly wanted such a snippet in the movie it is for him an aspect of the group that he'd very likely grown to take for granted over the years they'd been together yet was about to leave behind him.

In stark contrast, to those like myself - mere vicarious voyeurs from across the pond - who had followed the group in remote yet besotted deprivation over so many years of yearning it represented something far greater.

The very essence, in fact, of The Band.

What Robbie very possibly felt to be a mere added flavor to the movie; a ramshackle low key improvised segue to the momentous orchestrated perfection of Dixie, was to many of us the very affirmation of that charmed rustic uniqueness we’d always believed marked out our heroes yet had never dared to presume to actually be so emphatically the case. Yet there it was. In all its glory and ordinary down homeness - a unique bond and blend of musical instinct and rough arse musical genius beyond anything else around. Beyond anything you’d believed musically possible.

And the fact that they performed it in such a throwaway moment merely serves to underscore to the likes of myself how clearly pivotal it is to the very being of The Band. Apart from revealing Rick as a sort of magical glue that binds them all together it emphasizes also how the other two gel to serve the entity so effortlessly, so intuitively, so seamlessly no matter the lesser role they might play in this particular instance.

And so for me this tiny window of celluloid has stood ever since it first mesmerized me in Liverpool’s Futurist cinema back in 1978 as life affirming testimony to that very essence of 'The Band' that I loved; the very reason why so many years ago hearing the refrains of The Weight for the very first time on a Victoria pub’s golden juke box struck such a chord with me and invoked such a never to be shifted bond that ever since has remained with me and in me.

Of course, it'd have been even nicer if Levon and Garth could have been present for the snippet, too. But in the overall scheme of things that matters not. The fact is they were an omni-presence in any case and so the enveloping principle and indefinable 'Band' spirit remains intact no matter which of the five was or wasn’t present.

I guess the bottom line is if it’s good enough for grandma it’s good enough for me.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 16 01:02:29 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Most certainly correct on that score Pete - our thoughts most definitely with all those poor souls slain or affected in France. What happened is inconceivable - and yet happen it did.


Entered at Sat Jul 16 00:25:49 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.251)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

JQ.Dead serious. Let some one capable of dealing with it deal with it. And everyone who has had the benefit of Mossad assistance, & every country that has had Israel's decimation as their interest, would have to cooperate & abide by their calls as well. Oh, or would that require things that are impossible to happen happen. But you can bet your ass that without the Israeli intelligence community's aid, things would be worse than they are now in many countries. It's too late now, but part of my point is this would never have gotten this far if other countries listened to Israel in the past, & if Anti Semitic & Anti Israeli attitudes did not prevail in many countries. Preventing cooperation.Hatred of the west, hatred of Jews, & hatred of non Muslims, is the problem. Eradication of Muslim Extremism, or even the eradication of Muslim Extremism in western nations, is now something that escalates to the level of world war. Ifsome attempt is to made by the intelligemce community, it has to be backed by military might. It will have various levels, assassinations, small attacks, full scale attacks. and it will be something that could work, or lead to real danger, real full scale wars, or world war.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 23:38:33 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Israel, Mossad

Jeff - Do you know why Israel didn't have troops on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan? Or did they? Presumably though, you weren't really serious about putting Bebe in charge?


Entered at Fri Jul 15 23:10:45 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.251)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, you wrote:" Any solution has to be international and co-operative."

I agree, With one strong suggestion. Put Israel or the Mossad in complete charge. No digression from their orders.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 19:38:52 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: vinyl

We have been in Norwich, Norfolk for a few days. I was at the University of East Anglia here many years ago. This city has SEVEN secondhand record shops. It has more than central London. Norfolk is very different to Dorset in that every charity shop has some vinyl. Maybe vinyl lasted longer here. The downside in the charity shops is that it's all awful stuff. The 1960s section will be The Bachelors and Englebert Humperdink. It could also be that with seven excellent vinyl stores just in Norwich, all the decent stuff has been filtered out before it gets to the charity shops (thrift stores). I also note yet again regional differences … far less soul here than on the South Coast, which I put down to the early adoption of discotheques in Southern seaside resorts.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 19:32:50 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

Our thoughts must be on France today. This is why I was always so against Brexit. We really are all in this together, and trying to isolate your country is like Edgar Allen Poe's The Masque of The Red Death, where they shut themselves up in a castle to avoid the plague (I think), France has been our ally for 200 years … America's ally for 240 years. I can't get it out of my mind. My niece and her family live near Nice. Fortunately they were away, but it could be any town, any country, anywhere, any day. Any solution has to be international and co-operative.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 14:55:06 CEST 2016 from (131.137.34.214)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: subbing for serendipity

How folks discover music in these strange times . . . concierges, curators and the 50-song micro-target playlist.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 14:15:09 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

Al Edge writes. "And, needless to say of course, the feud never ever happened in my cosy rosy little Band world. I mean, how could it possibly have done so with such single minded devotion to each other and the music."

Amen Brother, Amen.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 13:19:46 CEST 2016 from (83.249.162.136)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: "Wise men say..." #2

4. BORIS: "We don't turn our back to _EUROPE_ when we turn our back to European Community (or something like that." Can't help but sympathize a politician who has the same haircut as I. It was called 'the-common-man's-peatles" (yes, I misspelled it correctly).


Entered at Fri Jul 15 13:03:49 CEST 2016 from (83.249.162.136)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: "Wise men say..."

1. ROD. I agree: "I think my rosy picture of the boys started to fade when I first found this site back in the 90s."

2. NORBERT. Back in the Middle Ages I e-mailed to Norbert: "I am getting old." He answered: "You are not getting old. You are just getting wiser." Now he is posting here the following words: "We are getting old." (No further comments are needed.)

3. RAGTIME, thanks for greetig me welcome to this gb back then... wise words, indeed ;-) I understand that you like 'Planet Waves'. Yes, it is chamber music! You introduced the term here in gb ... was it in the late 18th Century?- We listened to Italian Reneissance music in a Medieval church a few days ago and it had the same easy-going feeling.


Entered at Fri Jul 15 11:30:43 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

What?!?! The Beatles never lived like that....why am I always the last to find out about these things?!?!

: )


Entered at Thu Jul 14 23:44:38 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

I used to think Help" was a documentary and that The Beatles lived in a row of identical terrace houses, all joined together indoors. Since it was revealed that was untrue, I never felt I had to believe in any band (or The Band) as indivisible brothers.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 19:19:34 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.177)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Being old enough to grow up with The Band (57-58) in my case, & i heard em from the beginning) is possibly a quaifier for this.And I would be one of the youngest to fit the bill. For those of you who fit, I would tend to think that if everyone is honest with themselves, unless they already knew The Band members personally, or been to enough shows, The Last Waltz film should have been enough to lift the blinders, really make a dent in the publicity & myth. Should have made anyone think. The music was so great, & the times being what they were, well, people could possibly not want to see past. If that didn';t do it, enough opportunities to see the guys up close in larger venues, or enough times in smaller ones, & maybe getting to know em, would have done it.......... The thing is, they each & everyone of em , the 4 i saw & with the exception of ?Richard ( only witnessed him up close "in action") were are so damn exceptionally nice, human, entertaining, usually considerate& charismatic....


Entered at Thu Jul 14 17:53:07 CEST 2016 from (100.34.253.103)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk

Once again (for John D) my review of Small Town Talk. I just noticed in an edit at the beginning of the 2nd paragraph one of the CounterPunch editors screwed up and spelled Hoskyns' name wrong which is it's always good to save your original copy.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 15:45:03 CEST 2016 from (131.137.34.214)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Planet Waves

I play it pretty often. Honourable mention for the whole aesthetic of the first-draft art design and Kerouesque 'liner notes.'

"On a Night Like This" is by itself worth the price of admission. Swings like mad and sounds like the most fun the boys had since maybe "Odds and Ends." Is there another accordion-fronted piece in the canon?

"Dirge" is also very worthy, makes a nice pair with "Positively 4th Street":

Can't recall a useful thing you ever did for me
'Cept to pat me on the back one time, when I was on my knees


Entered at Thu Jul 14 15:46:00 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Small Town Talk/ Planet Waves

I read Small Town Talk early on. I enjoyed it. Loved seeing Martha Velez getting some mention. Her shows in the area during the early 70's are legendary. /n It's hard to believe Dylan put the rocking Forever Young on Planet Waves when he had Nobody 'Cept You. All and all I love Planet Waves. Great winter album. Robbie was most definitely the MVP of that record.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 14:44:59 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

And, needless to say of course, the feud never ever happened in my cosy rosy little Band world. I mean, how could it possibly have done so with such single minded devotion to each other and the music?

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 14 14:37:51 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The End of the Innocence

John/Rod - I know exactly what you mean. We each to our own I guess.

:-0)

I'm unsure with regards to myself whether it's simply poor memory or a deliberate shutting down.

Whatever it is I still retain this unfettered image fed by what was planted in my mind's eye by the majestic beauty of those first two/three albums. The five of them sat smiling at each other as Robbie told us on the sleevenotes of Big Pink each and all utterly and slavishly devoted to the music they were creating to the exclusion of any of the earthly borne unsavoury distractions that so contaminated every other rock artist of the time.

Sigh...

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 14 14:00:58 CEST 2016 from (146.171.254.96)

Posted by:

Rod

I think my rosy picture of the boys started to fade when I first found this site back in the 90s.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 13:58:23 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

I see your point Al. I have always separated the musician from the person themselves. I personally didn't need to know some points about their weaknesses. We as human beings all have our little demons. Thanks for letting me know. By the way I don't read these books as a media person.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 12:03:31 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Life sentences - in so many words

Ha ha

I guess at a push it could be argued that 'ever' is also part of the same one - which would make it 113!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 14 11:51:13 CEST 2016 from (83.249.162.136)

Posted by:

NorhestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Al E

One sentence with 112 words! Reminds me of my sadistic German teacher.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 11:04:04 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JD and Small Town Talk

John. Got to admit the two main books on The Band both of which I read when they first came out ultimately alerted me to a fundamental aspect of my own make-up. Namely that I needed to steer clear of insider information and cling rather to the rosy image I have of all my heroes - both sporting and musical.

As time has passed since I read those books their content has thank goodness now entirely faded into a gilded obscurity such that in my own rose tinted world all five Band members have reverted to the default perception I initially had of them back in those wondrous late '60's halcyon days in Liverpool when I first discovered them entirely independent of even a tiny modicum of expert insight or influence from anybody or anything other than my own listening ears and imagination - namely five latterday saints with an unparalleled individual and collective untainted musical talent honed in rural North America the likes of which will never be seen or heard again. Ever.

So, no, Small Town Talk is not the book nor the environment for me! I know that doesn't help anyone least of all your goodself with your honourable calling within a communication industry often demanding you to flesh out the bones. But it does at least enable me to survive in my own little fool's paradise.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 14 09:14:23 CEST 2016 from (219.89.12.80)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Small Town Talk

I really enjoyed it. It's a warts and all write up so not everything said about the musicians is flattering.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 06:08:49 CEST 2016 from (76.66.112.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ragtime: Re "Planet Waves", I agree as well - though I could live happily without the rockin' 'rangement of "Forever Young". (Recording it is one thing, but including it?)


Entered at Thu Jul 14 03:45:05 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Planet Waves/The book

Ragtime: I second your comments. 'Planet Waves' is an exceptional album from a Dylan/Band exceptional time. I love the songs on this album and listen to it often.

John D: I second your comments: I really enjoyed the book but focused on the parts you discuss. And those chapters were well done and very informative.


Entered at Thu Jul 14 00:20:57 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Little Brothers' comment

My five cents on Planet Waves:

I really like George Harrison's magnificent "Something", but I love Planet Waves even more for the commitment of all six men, the chemistry between Bob and our guys, the wonderful songs and lyrics, the arrangements, the flawless playing, especially by Hudson and Robertson. I play it a lot. And I think "Something There Is About You", is the masterpiece on it. So Bob my friend, you wanted to write a passacaglia, didn't you... I can find only a vague resemblance to the Harrison song.

Hm... I've got a feeling I wrote this before. You'll find it in the Guestbook Archive 1998 or something.

Errr... something...?


Entered at Wed Jul 13 23:48:44 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Small Town Talk

I read it early on John. Nothing caused me any offence, but I found there were large chunks on painters and minor artists I'd barely heard of that I had to speed read. I think it was carefully researched with lots of interviews, and he needed to cut some duller, more arcane stuff. I also thought he was good on Grossman and the major artists.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 19:37:18 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Small Town Talk

OK. I know I was late to the game; but does anyone who read the book have an opinion about it? Just wondering.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 17:53:10 CEST 2016 from (92.22.70.118)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Mavis!

The new documentary about Mavis Staples is called Mavis! She has a few good things to say about Levon.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 15:13:35 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.90)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Kevin, to clarify what Bob F so obviously meant by all our jobs away, & to frame your response to him about jobs & unemployment rates correctly, was decent or good jobs that pay a good hard worker enough money & benefits to have a decent home, and raise a kid or two.And if the spouse worked also, even have enough money to take a vacation & send your kids to college. That's pretty much gone. To think otherwise is a symptom of being in the 1 %, or top 10% anyway. And as he responded, unempolyment rates are misleading. People working jobs that pay 10, 13, 14 bucks an hour, part time, when they used to make 25 or far more, get overtime, & full benfits, is not comparable. The lucky People working independently for 20 or 25 or more an hour, without any FICA deductions, & without benefits, when they used to get more, with benefits, & now struggling to find 25/ 30 hours a week, again, better, not comparable.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 14:16:20 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Unemployment

Kev, I think the US unemployment rates are misleading. Many companies using temporary work force, minimum wages. As soon as the schedule gets soft they lay people off. Growing up in my neighborhood houses were seldom for sale. Now, at least a third are always for sale. Many families are forced to work two jobs just to get by.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 13:40:26 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Small Town Talk

I know there are many opinions; about this book. I overall enjoyed it. Especially the Dylan, Band, Morrison chapters. I especially learnt a lot about Albert Grossman. It explains why he and Robbie were so close. I've read about it here; but Hoskins walks us through the relationship. There is much we already knew; but to be honest we are all on different levels of knowing about all these characters

I will admit to jumping through a couple of chapters; which I was not really interested in. I think I learnt more about the town itself than ever before.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 08:55:45 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

I like Little Brother's category of "albums I wanted to like more than I actually liked" very much. Cahoots is my main contender, but Planet Waves is not far behind. I played it non stop for days hoping it would take off for me, but it never did. I vastly prefer New Morning (carrying on Little Brother's Harrison thoughts), and I always liked Self Portrait. New Morning is still played here, but Planet Waves isn't.

It may seem odd now but "Help" was another I kept playing without growing to love it.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 08:47:42 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Subject: Politics of the Lesser Evils

It's an awful year, but I suspect we're all into politics of the lesser evil. You've got to Stop Trump, and Bernie's helping do that. I wouldn't ever choose Teresa May here, but compared to Leadstrom (stop gay marriage, bring back fox hunting), Gove (no American literature in UK English exams) and Johnson (I get my school pal's enemies beaten up), or Fox (if I put my name on the ballot paper again and come last again, they'll have to give me a ministerial job), she shines out as well, comparatively normal. It's the same with our Labour party. I find Angela Eagle boring to a ridiculous degree, but anyone's better than Corbyn.

The concept of voting for someone you actually like is long gone. We're down to the one who will do less harm than the alternatives.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 08:30:09 CEST 2016 from (79.121.201.198)

Posted by:

Peter v

Location: Europe

Bill M, you forget that the 90s Band did Willie and The Hand Jive.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 07:22:35 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: That would be Jib not Gib ! Slow down Willy


Entered at Wed Jul 13 07:03:41 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bob F: while many parts of Europe have been suffering through years of unemployment rates exceeding 20% ( plus 30% in places like Greece and Spain ) and several other countries in Africa and Asia have to deal with unemployment rates of 30% plus, it is hard to accept as serious that one lady's husband was responsible for "sending all of our jobs away" when the U.S. unemployment rate currently sits at 4.9% ! During the Reagan era, the unemployment rate was north of 10%. Free trade has been very good for the economies of the U.S. and Canada. Allowing knee- jerk protectionist trade policies favoured by the likes of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump would cripple our economies........For what it's worth, I liked so much of what Bernie stood for and the overall cut of his gib.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 06:35:42 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

This is all just my opinion........Bob, as you probably know, Eisenhower saw the last 60 years of history in play in his mind, saw it coming, & spoke about it. In the 50s. The assassination of JFK was the first strong spike, or first real nail in the coffin. Them MLK & RFK. Then the election of Nixon, then Reagan was the real moving force you know. Bill Clinton was an extension of Reagan, in Democrat's clothes, & different social views...I left Bernie months ago, but, This has all been decided before. & I don't believe Bernie really thought he could win.And even if he did win the Dem nomination, & the Presidency, he'd have gotten that visit / message all newly elected President's get. The President has been picked quite some time ago. It's a chess game, we're pawns.


Entered at Wed Jul 13 01:20:56 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Give Me Some Truth

What a sad day for many of us. A man with a common sense vision is forced to endorse a woman whose husband was paramount in sending all our jobs away. We hardly build or grow anything in this country anymore thanks to these people. Now because the other party has a complete lunatic we're suppose to all get in line. On top of everything Springsteen gives her We Take Care of Our Own to use as the unifying campaign song. I wonder if he's talking about the extremely rich like him and the Clintons or the working class people.

Everyday I miss John Lennon more.


Entered at Tue Jul 12 18:16:29 CEST 2016 from (24.114.55.49)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Good catch, but not at all straightforward. While the appearance of Willy may seem penile, the "slow down" directive suggests that Robbie may have started out with the intention of writing about car insurance (which must have been an issue given the group's driving record). Perhaps Robbie will clarify things for us in "Testimony".


Entered at Tue Jul 12 18:11:51 CEST 2016 from (24.69.16.215)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Amy

Just read that Amy Helm plays here on the island. on August 19.


Entered at Tue Jul 12 00:51:21 CEST 2016 from (100.11.151.162)

Posted by:

Little Brother

Location: the Guestbook Archives (and Philly PA suburbs)

Subject: "Something"'s Wrong ;)

I was just idly perusing last month's comments and happened upon Kevin J: "Just listened to the YouTube of Bob Dylan paying tribute to his good pal George doing "Something".....Beautiful !"

This reminded me of "Planet Waves", an album that I always "wanted" to like more than I actually liked, if you take my meaning.

I don't remember which critics said what when it was released, but I agree with the observation that in subsequent studio recording, Dylan & The Band never recreated the chemistry or magic of "The Basement Tapes". Their technical mastery remains beyond question, but the performances are more "workmanlike" and perfunctory. Perhaps the letdown was intensified because expectations were so high.

Also, many of the songs aren't Dylan's top-drawer work. Speaking of "Something", I always wondered if Dylan used it as a basis for the vastly inferior "Something There Is About You". I can't be the only one who noticed the similarity in concept, despite Dylan's autobiographical lyrics. I still cringe at "My hand's on the saber / You've picked up on the baton". WTF?


Entered at Tue Jul 12 00:45:52 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: jimothy

""""""""""""""""Just listened to Roseann Fino. I don't understand why people have to lower the bar just because there ain't nothing else out there. Have faith. Don't lower expectations."""""""""""""

To be honest I'm not even sure I should bother responding to such a snide and sneering post, especially one with such woefully confused reasoning and ill conceived premise. And yet since it's scarcely disguised venom is so clearly targetting my own boundless enthusiasm for RoseAnn's music I suppose it leaves me with little option.....

....Ah fuck it. I've already afforded it more than the nano-second of contempt the spite of its author merits.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 12 00:08:50 CEST 2016 from (219.89.12.80)

Posted by:

Rod

nice version of TNTDODD


Entered at Mon Jul 11 22:55:58 CEST 2016 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

What may be the last time Rick performed this song.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 21:09:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Slow down, Willy boy …


Entered at Mon Jul 11 20:22:09 CEST 2016 from (174.88.216.50)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: First-name basis

An excellent reason, as I so distantly recall.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 15:35:13 CEST 2016 from (76.66.112.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ragtime: Dick, Roger, Long John, Percy, Jake .... As comedian Dave Broadfoot has noted, if something's going to be making 90% of your decisions, you want to be on a first-name basis.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 13:53:49 CEST 2016 from (86.171.27.122)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Agree

Totally agree, JT...and Roseann is very good.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 12:50:58 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Continuing the tradition: RoseAnn Fino

The implication is that there is no good or worthwhile emerging music in 2016. IMO, there is a lot of good music being released by emerging talent (despite what others have said here). RoseAnn Fino is among those who are continuing the songwriter/singer tradition.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 11:56:52 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

I never knew that Get Up Jake was about erectile dysfunction. How naive can a Man be... ;-) It puts the song in an entirely new perspective... So "Jake" would be a metaphore for...

On another note: I think there is no need to wait for Peter's ultimate Band post. It's already here, when you eliminate all posts by others...


Entered at Mon Jul 11 07:16:14 CEST 2016 from (173.3.249.47)

Posted by:

Jimothy

Location: Fairfield, CN

Subject: Roseann?

Just listened to Roseann Fino. I don't understand why people have to lower the bar just because there ain't nothing else out there. Have faith. Don't lower expectations.


Entered at Mon Jul 11 04:25:49 CEST 2016 from (24.114.66.40)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: While our guys did turn in a pretty good song about erectile dysfunction, "Get Up Jake", the record company was too gutless to release it at the time. I suppose that's why they never got to the other topics to my knowledge.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 22:36:15 CEST 2016 from (74.70.106.22)

Posted by:

Danny Lopez

Location: upstate New York

Subject: why

Why keep coming back to the Band's music after all these years?

It's the quiet dignity; it's the restorative power of the images, memories, and passion that the music evokes; it's the rootedness of it -- to family, to friends, to community, to the earth itself (dig that thuddy drum); it's the connectedness the music has to LIFE itself. That's it. These are the reasons.

Peace& Love to all.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 22:14:34 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Got it down to 5 words from 1 million

The Band was the best.

Having said that, would anyone like buy medicine for erectile dysfunction, Nigerian government bonds, insurance, double glazing or a new Audi? Such statements usually link to those kind of adverts.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 19:38:44 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: penultimate

The penultimate Band post: Great quintet.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 16:37:19 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The ultimate Band post

As some of you already know, for many years already now, Peter is working on the ultimate Band post (good it isn’t me). It may also take some years for him to finish it and post that post here, but we already know some now:

1) It will be the longest post ever posted in the history of The Band GB (more than 1.000.000 words).
2) It starts the day Ronnie Hawkins was born.
3) Every single Band member will get an extensive biography.
4) Every single song will gets his own biography.
5) Every single note be screened.
6) Every single feud will be detailed to the bottom.
7) And, and, and.

It will be the ultimate Band reference work. When it is there please print it out, all you ever wanted to know about this Band will be in that post. Band experts and critics, DJ’s and musicians from all over the world will quote from this very post in this very GB.

Stay tuned, don’t miss it.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 16:16:21 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Andy Murray/Milos Raonic final

To watch the ascendency of Andy Murray to the pinnacle of tennis is to understand how a person can slowly but with determination gradually become that person who he/she sees in the mirror. With the self-doubt and the emotions and all the other negative and positive feelings, Andy Murray is a true champion. Good on Milos Raonic (Canadian and coming up himself) for giving him a fight but it will take something extraordinary of beat Andy Murray today.


Entered at Sun Jul 10 13:33:43 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: RoseAnn Fino - Dunc's review and RoseAnn's protest song

Dunc, that was not only a terrific endorsement of RoseAnn's recordings to date but more so a superbly crafted review. How lucky we are to have you on here with all your calm, considered rationale. What a welcome contrast to my own rash exhuberance.

And fair play to yourself too Mike. You latched onto RoseAnn some time back and your support has been much needed and appreciated I can tell you. And yeah mate I too would love to see her perform again - next time with her amazing Misfits!.

I particularly loved this bit of your review Dunc - """I feel what she is singing and really connect with some of her telling, heartfelt lyrics. Her voice is clear and full of feeling and responds to the needs of the song.""""

There are times when a comment really captures the essence of something and in that final sentence particularly you've defined what for me sets RoseAnn's offerings apart from most anything else I've heard for quite sometime. """Her voice....responds to the needs of the song"""

Exquisite insight that Dunc. Absolutely love it because it really does encapsulate what RoseAnn is bringing to the table on those two EP's but most particularly on the latter of the two where she's attaining a level of juxtaposing superb songwriting craft with song delivery that you very rarely ever encounter. That level of emotional craft is what first drew me to The Band. In a Station and Caledonia Mission forinstance have it in oodles. Roseann now seemingly carries the torch in a way I've heard from very few artists since.

As regards this latest protest song, I believe Pete is right. Its power lies in its simplicity. Not just the song's simple catchy format but in the simple message of rank hypocrisy it is conveying to anybody in the USA who attempts for a solitary nano second to espouse any genuine remorse for a victim whilst themselves possessing a gun. The two cannot be reconciled no matter what weasel justifications might be attempted.

If anyone - and I most emphatically include Sebastian and Robbie and Garth and Jan H and his lad in this request - has or knows of a vehicle for getting this song of RoseAnn's out there to the audience its clear message demands to reach then please make it known. This song and its message needs to be heard by more than a few folks on these message boards.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 22:08:54 CEST 2016 from (81.159.120.56)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Roseann Fino

Have had a listening day today. Received Roseann's material yesterday and played it all today, punctuated by an Italian lunch. No football or babysitting commitments - a rare Saturday.

A summer's day in Scotland. Driving rain and dark. Give me some of your sun, Bassmanlee.

I enjoyed the album very much with really good songs, both lyrically and melodically, beautifully played by Roseann and'The Crowmatrix' - great musicianship, and great arrangements. Some of the playing is brilliant.

The EP 'Little Girl Lost' is enjoyable and interesting and shows Roseann developing.

The EPs 'Out From Under' and 'Airing of Grievances' are outstanding. The songs are well crafted and tell stories, which I could relate to emotionally. (Hard for a dour Scot to admit this). Some really great lines.

Roseann's singing is great, both powerful and sensitive, and I think has grown. I feel what she is singing and really connect with some of her telling, heartfelt lyrics. Her voice is clear and full of feeling and responds to the needs of the song.

The musicianship is great again. The balance of instruments is spot on and I feel they have achieved that feeling that I'm listening to them playing at the back of my room.

Perhaps the viola player deserves a special mention as she weaves beautifully in and out of Roseann's voice, but I feel that this would be unfair to the other musicians. I thought the piano playing is great, Roseann can play well with some telling riffs and the bass player and drummers, (different drummers on each EP) are great.

What should get a special mention is the way the band come together, supporting the singer and the needs of the song sensitively, which is what it is all about. Not always an easy thing to achieve.

The songs are varied and different. My son and daughter-in-law popped in on my listening session and really enjoyed Roseann's music too. And he can be really critical.

So my advice is buy the lot.

I don't know Bob F, other than reading his posts for years, but I wish his talented daughter well.

And I think our Al has been correct to voice his enthusiasm. Well done, Al.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 19:50:55 CEST 2016 from (174.88.216.50)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: RoseAnn

I like what I hear from this young talented woman. Thanks again to Al Edge for his persuasiveness in getting us all to listen. My hope is to one day get to hear her live, perhaps at a small venue, before my skein runs out. (Skein? I hope I got that right. I'll check in a minute.)


Entered at Sat Jul 9 18:14:22 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Roseanne Fino

Great song, great simple raw video. Definitely the way to do it. Someone was asking where the songwriters were for 2016. We had Dylan and Baez and Sam Cooke then Marvin Gaye. Roseanne keeps up a vital tradition!


Entered at Sat Jul 9 17:22:25 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn nails the intrinsic hypocrisy that haunts the USA

Well said pet. Great song too.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 15:22:43 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Case/Lang/Veirs

Case/Lang/Veirs: A superb trio with a wonderful album of songs combining the fusion of 3 excellent talents. Sold out at the Victoria Jazz Festival in late June but we were too late to get tickets. I've seen Neko Case with The New Pornographers and she is a force of nature. K.D. Lang is among the best voices in music and has been reborn (again) in this triumvirate. I did not know Veirs, but her contribution is major. What luck for us to be able to share the talent of these 3 together.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 12:07:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Case/Lang/Veirs

My constant play this week has been Case/Lang/Veirs (Neko Case, k.d.lang and Laura Veirs). Lovely songs … link is to "Delirium" but if you want to sample one on iTunes, try I Want to Be Here.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 11:59:10 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

We're getting old.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 09:03:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Smart phones rather than just the WWW, change brains. In the theatre last week, it was schools’ night. I’d say 14 to 18 age range. We were high up near the back Five minutes before the play started you could see literally a hundred plus lighted phone screens. As we observed the boys playing video games and not interacting, the girls texting at high speed. Then in London on Sunday, a guy walking across a street on a red light, headphones on and texting feverishly. Being London a car deliberately swerved to near miss him, and he was then standing in Trafalgar Square, finger raised screaming “C**t!” I notice now in supermarkets and the street people with headphones on, whether listening or texting, just walk right through other people. It’s as if the headphones render them immune from the polite dance we do around other people in busy places.

Politicians … I think we’re safer with dull professional, adult politicians … like them or not, Hilary Clinton and Teresa May are adults … than charismatic loonies like Trump or Johnson, or non-charasmatic buffoons like Farage and Gove. In Britain, if Angela Eagle replaces Corbyn, at least she appears an intelligent adult, though with the charisma and wit of a mollusc.

As an aside … both Teresa May and Angela Eagle are Oxford graduates, if not in the words of Jay Gatsby, “Oxford men.” In Britain, the Oxford- Prime Minister link is ludicrously strong. They used to say that Oxford provided the political leaders, while Cambridge produced the innovative scientists and alternative comedians, but also the buggers and spies. (The last two were often a shared quality).


Entered at Sat Jul 9 06:42:10 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Look on the bright side of life

Bonk........stop watching cable news. The facts are that the world has never been better, healthier and more prosperous. The global rates of homicide, violence against women, genocide and war are at all time lows and so massively improved over the last several decades to be almost unbelievable statistically.........more media outlets available to transmit and repeat continuously bad news does not mean any one lunitic has won or that we should throw up our hands and off-handily equate a racist unhinged imbecile like D Trump to an accomplished, intelligent person like H Clinton. God help the world if a majority of voters in the US were ever to make that mistake......You are onto something about the WWW and the overload of information. Driving down Bayview today, a survey of other people in cars around me was around 70 % of drivers checking their devices for texts while driving......Frightenning and astonishing to think that such a high number of people are finding it necessary to "check in/ check up" on something.


Entered at Sat Jul 9 06:28:53 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.242)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk, I ain't so sure I believe in The Devil, but i have always said The Devil is digital. For all the benefits, computers & the internet have fucked up everything. I could spend a day going into detail, but you hint at a lot. For one thing, people need to accomplish things. do things, be active many ways. And people need space & separation........When you got bumper cars operating at high speed,people have become more complacent, more fucking dumb, less active.....more explosive or more explosive more quickly.................events need space between em too.....Goodnight folks


Entered at Sat Jul 9 04:34:13 CEST 2016 from (24.69.0.104)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Scary Times

I remember coming out of a coffee shop on the morning of 9/11 and a guy saying to me 'the world will never be the same' A day or two later Bin Laden said his whole point was to upset and change the way most of us in a free world thought. I'm sorry but I think he won. For now. I can't believe that the next presidential election has two people in the running that are so lame, so not worthy. And it seems like the american people are accepting this. Up here in Canada we have baby Trudeau, who I actually like, but is so far out of his realm in world leadership that it's scary. Now, I know that a lot of the people that came before in running things were assholes. But at least you could sleep at night knowing that some one was in charge. Even if sadly, they talked out of both sides of their mouths. It now seems like no one is in charge. Any where in the world. It's all gone sideways. My personal opinion is that the world wide web has caused most of these problems. I'm gonna get shit on for this statement but in my mind it's true. Most people were not ready for this. It's become brain info overload. Too much info for younger people. And you know what? That bastard bin laden got the drift.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 15:56:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

When we were in the USA in 2014, the most moving and memorable visit was the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis. What struck me so strongly was the memory of all those descriptions of how Dr King was "shot on the balcony of his Memphis hotel." It sounded quite posh. Look up the Lorraine Motel. A better description would be "shot on the walkway of his budget motel." It's how words insidiously change perceptions.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 15:37:35 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The horror, the horror!'

Mike Nomad: I agree. Another tough time. How sad to see police and citizens losing their lives. It is frightening (again).


Entered at Fri Jul 8 14:29:42 CEST 2016 from (174.88.216.50)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Scary times

Jeff: Too . . . many . . . effing . . . guns. . . . Throw racial attitudes into the mix and you have what you're seeing. It's gonna be a long hot summer.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 14:02:21 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Politics x 2

Maths: Norb, the only relevant song is "If 6 Were 9" … on the Easy Rider OST for a Band connection.

Mrs V points out that we could have female leaders in Germany, Britain AND the USA by next year. Britain is certain as both candidates are women, and even if they call an election, the chances are that Angela Eagle will have replaced Corbyn for Labour making that an all female contest too. She thinks this will bring more compromise and sensible discussion and peace. I unfortunately mentioned Margaret Thatcher at that point, and now wish I hadn’t. Muttering Indira Ghandi and Golda Meir as I left the room was also a mistake.

Does the USA not have a crime of “Inciting Racial Hatred” on the statute book? If so, why isn’t this Joe Walsh guy behind bars?


Entered at Fri Jul 8 13:55:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Simone Felice

Nothing on his website. I heard he was doing The Convent in Stroud – not too bad for you, and a 150 seat chapel venue. Trouble is afterwards it's virtually impossible to get the car through the gate onto the narrow lane without a five point turn with steep hill starts. I've just e-mailed The Convent … it's not on their "Forthcoming list." I've also asked Winchester,


Entered at Fri Jul 8 13:52:52 CEST 2016 from (86.171.77.136)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Forgot about Frampton Comes Alive. Played it this morning.

Great stuff, Bob.

Look at You Tube for Karine Polwart. She also has had some impact down your way. But also look up the late Michael Marra, who wrote that song. Sometimes described as Scotland's greatest songwriter.

Enjoyed Trini Lopez and the Shadows. Never thought I would like the drum solo. Twenty minute drum solos put me off concerts.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 13:39:23 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Roger; For all those future Brexit referenda to come, please send them votes, in a sealed box, to Germany, we will let you know who won.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 12:55:53 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoasters

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Peter's Brexit Blues

I entered the scene. I picked up my banjo. I tuned it. (Applauses!!!) I said: "If you liked the tuning so much you'll probably like the playing even more." (BTW I learned this from Ravi Shankari in the 70s.) "I play this to my Internet friend Peter (Stormy applauses!!!) who is not comfortable with Brexit. Consequently, it is called for "Peter's Brexit Blues". It goes like this: (Stormy applauses!!!)

(C7) Peter's typing and posting too,
(F7) Peter's posting another one too.
(G7) But has he ever build a Spit...
(C)...fire in scale 1 : 72 ?

(C7) Peter's typing and posting too,
(F7) Peter's posting another one too.
(G7) But has he ever tasted a Yorkshire...
(C)... pudding with a pint or two?

(C7) Peter's typing and posting too,
(F7) Peter's posting another one too.
(G7) But has he ever wrapped a haddock
(C) Inside The Times page two?

Then, trying to avoid the bras and panties flying in the air I walked straight to the Table Of The Stars.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 12:03:49 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: EUrope

Subject: Oh, and Norbert...

... there's an error in line 5 - no wonder they won😊.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 11:43:10 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Europe

Subject: Odds and ends

1. Jeff - the Dallas shootings were the lead story on UK news. Yesterday the Louisiana and Minneapolis shootings featured prominently. Awful times.

2. Dunc - thanks for the thought and the Karine Polwart track - she's now on my radar. I didn't know her before but the video was terrific. Might be another good reason to move to Scotland!

3. Peter - Simone Felice is at St Pancras Old Church on October 14th. I can't find other listings yet but I'll wait to see whether he comes to Birmingham as usual before travelling.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 11:30:44 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Peter for the older and wiser

If 1% = 2%
Then: 3% = 4%
4% = 6% and so on, finally 0% will equal 100%
The possibilities are endless, that’s what I like most about the Peter.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 10:55:50 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Math: The Peter

a%=b%
a%2 = ab%
a%2 + a%2 = a%2 + ab%
2 a%2 = a%2 + ab%
2 a%2 - 2ab% = a%2 - ab%
2 a%2 - 2ab% = a%2 + ab% - ab%
2 a%2 - 2ab% = a%2 - ab%
2 (a%2 - ab%) = 1( a%2 - ab%)
2% = 1%
1% = 2%


Entered at Fri Jul 8 10:46:30 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Subject: Live albums

Too Late To Stop now … Van Morrison, just reissued with volumes 2, 3, 4. Has to be Top ten.

Live Rhymin' by Paul Simon, has already been mentioned, and is great because things are different, not just nearly but not quite faithful renditions.

Last week my local secondhand shop was playing "Real Live Roadrunning" by Mark Knopfler & Emmylou Harris, an album that had totally passed me by. I'd never seen it even. Anyway, I parted with £3 and it's very good.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 09:13:30 CEST 2016 from (66.68.56.15)

Posted by:

Crazy Chester

Location: Austin, TX
Web: My link

Subject: Top 50 Live Albums...The Last Waltz at #33

That is by far too low.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 07:22:08 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.242)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

It's a scary in the U.S. of A. again. We went from killing politicians and social leaders during 1960s political campaigns, to... well..... Cops are killing innocent people here again, at a high rate, Three recently,One white guy in Fresno, two black men, one in Louisiana, one in Minnesota. and now, at a protest in Dallas, snipers killed 4 cops and wounded a pile more. There are no great leaders to make speeches, and the potent artists to make great songs that got heard, both helped restore balance, well, it;s all a thing of the past... Today, we only feel numb, hopeless, fucked, and on a runaway train.

Killing cops, setting em up and killing em, well,it doesn't justify cops killing innocent people but it gives more creedence to their claims that they kill by mistake cause they have reason to fear for their lives.

It sure seems like things are at boiling point here, and there's no telling what happens nect in the U. S. A.

Scary fucking time.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 04:41:07 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.242)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lee, I loved Night After Night. Had it on cassette. still do somewhere.... Website, think cousin moe.


Entered at Fri Jul 8 00:27:29 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn on LocalMotion WVKR Vassar

RoseAnn received airplay for her new song The Drinking Song on Rita Ryan's Hudson Valley show LocalMotion (WVKR Vassar College)yesterday. RoseAnn is the lead song.

The Band connection is Rita interviews Weider during the hour broadcast. I guess technically I should say Reformed Band connection.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 21:05:03 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rock & Roll Animal

Agreed, I saw that band live. Definitely one for the list. For The Byrds, the second disc of Untitled with the live Eight Miles High occupying a side.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 20:47:59 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Just one more thing, Maam...

Live records: Lou Reed - Rock N' Roll Animal! Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner (who would later support Alice Cooper) were fee-effin-nominal.

Nils Lofgren had a pretty good run with Night By Night and has released several others over the years. My fave is Code of the Road (1986), which I bought from him at a show.

No address, Jeff. What website?


Entered at Thu Jul 7 19:54:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Live … early on

Trini Lopez … the drum sound is different to the single, and in spite of the bass player's non-matching mouth movements, this might be live. What do you think?

Johnny Rivers was another who made a big deal out of recording live.

The Motortown Revue, Paris is a good one from 1965.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 19:26:03 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.242)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lee,somewhere i have your email,but have no recollection of what it is. If you have mine, or can find it on my website, holler at me.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 17:57:32 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"Frampton Comes Alive" - such great memories. "Lines on my Face"...."Do you Feel Like We Do"....."Baby, I Love your Way"...."Show me the Way".....one of THE albums of the 70's and a truly great live album as all the songs sounded so much better live than on the studio albums.....thank you, bassmanlee.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 17:50:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Live sound of 1962

Try "Little B" by The Shadows from 1962's Live at the ABC Kingston. Two points … drum sound for the era, and engineers have assured it really is live, and the fact that it's a template with all the moves that became a cliché for later Brit drum solos. Brian Bennett on drums.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 17:30:42 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: PA/DE, USA

Subject: NME List Omissions

Europe '72 by The Grateful Dead, Johnny Winter And Live, Frampton Comes Alive, to name a few...

Passed on The Weight. Could not handle waiting several hours in the sun and heat for the show to start. Yeah, what a wimp. (But the sun and I do not get along well.)


Entered at Thu Jul 7 15:33:58 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: NME 'live' album list

You know me Fred - any list, along with any publication compiling said list, which fails to include at the very head of its selected nominees the names of Bruce, Bob Seger, Gene Clark, The Gourds, The Saw Doctors, Creedence, The Fannies together with a rider acknowledging the uniquely awesome talent of RoseAnn Fino is by definition a pile of fucking crap!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 7 15:13:13 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Si and Brexit

Si, I'm still waiting with baited breath for Part 2 before I can formulate a considered response that doesn't simply pay lip service to the earnestness of what you wrote in Part 1. I'm presuming amongst other things Part 2 brings into focus the immigration issue, particularly its impact on arl arses, which is clearly so integral to how the entire thing panned out. By all means send it to my e-mail [aledgeatblueyonederdotcodotuk] if you feel you've taken it as far as you feel comfortable in doing in here.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jul 7 15:11:15 CEST 2016 from (86.171.77.136)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: EU version of Springsteen

Here's the EU version of 'Dancing in the Dark'. At least a Scottish-German version.

My son and wife saw Bruce's recent Glasgow show and thought it was brilliant...as usual.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 14:15:48 CEST 2016 from (86.171.77.136)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Cheer up, Roger

Things could be worse, Roger. Enjoy this brilliant song you old folkie.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 12:23:55 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Europe

Subject: Poles apart

Bill - it's '...those poles...' which scared the s**t out of so many who voted leave! Well presented Simon - but as so much in politics - and in life - we have different perspectives. The palpable lies pushed out as promises by Gove, Johnson, Leadsom and Farage (and Gisele Stuart from my own party) considerably damaged our democracy.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 11:40:15 CEST 2016 from (86.171.77.136)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks, Fred

From the list, I play 7 of the albums regularly, but would be pleased to own another four of them. (These are by artists I play regularly).

Live albums I value:

'Rock of Ages';

John Martyn, Danny Thompson with Arran Ahmun - 'The Brewery Arts Centre, Kendal 1986';

Michael Marra, McFalls Chamber 2010;

Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham 'Moments From This Theatre';

NeilYoung - 'Massey Hall 1971';

Stimela - 'Live';

Paul Simon - 'Live Rhymin';

The Byrds - 'Live at the Fillmore 1969';

Carole King and James Taylor - 'Live at the Troubadour';

Joe Cocker - 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen';

Rick Danko - 'Live On Breeze Hill';

Van Morrison - 'Live at Austin City Limits Festival';

Leonard Cohen - 'Live in London';

Isn't this a great list guys? And what catholic taste.

Thanks Fred.

Back to the politics.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 11:24:19 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Live Albums

I’m a keen collector of early live material. Some, like Eddie Cochran on early TV and radio is astonishing on performance. Some, like Trini Lopez Live At PJs is very well recorded (Mickey Jones!!!) and given its date and atmosphere, I'd list it in a Top 20. Some, like Joey Dee & The Starliters at the Peppermint Lounge is badly recorded but huge on atmosphere.

An oddity I always praise in the context is the CD-only “The Cliff Richard Show: Live at the ABC Kingston 1962” which was intended to be a live album and it got shelved, probably because they were selling so well then they couldn't squeeze another album in. The drum sound and bass sound of The Shadows is well ahead of the expected at the time and a tribute to the engineers.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 08:12:57 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Kevin: Yes, the comments about each album were dismal. Some more than others.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 07:15:14 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.219)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Fred & Simon

Fred........I admit to liking most lists - just because there is usually one or two nuggets amongst the rubble.......The NME list was shoddy ( look no further than the listing of Ringo and Neil Diamond in the "What's to like" part about TLW or the absurd comment that "The Song Remains the Same" found the Zep Four "each at their peak".......say what ! The nugget? For me.....The White Stripes album.....I had no knowledge of this.

Simon: a brilliant post on Brexit. Bravo ! The wafting through the screen bit was as good as this sort of disgust conveyance writing gets.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 06:20:35 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Found myself in a bookstore that had "Small Town Talk" on the shelves. Naturally I turned to the "Shape I'm In" chapter for a quick scan. What caught my eye right away was a Michael Friedman (sp?) talking about Albert and Robbie making everything so hush-hush and precious (my words) and that "Everybody was like that, except Levon, Rick and Richard". Hmm, that would leave who, Garth, who is famous anyway for not talking all that much anyway. I think that Hoskyns, as an "acclaimed author" (as it says right on the jacket) should do more than just arrange quotes. Maybe he does so elsewhere in the book, but I couldn't be bothered.

sadavid: I think we're moving from a 1% world to 0.1% - and beyond, with or without the EU. I'm confident, though certainly not happy, that Britain's proletariat will find itself facing neo-Thatcherism rather than a welcoming workers' paradise.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 06:15:20 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Peter V

I wondered about that omission too.


Entered at Thu Jul 7 00:06:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Live albums

Fred, any list of great live albums which doesn't have Bob Marley & The Wailers Live At The Lyceum in the Top Five isn't worth looking at.


Entered at Wed Jul 6 16:52:16 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: PA/DE, USA
Web: My link

Subject: Is The Weight worth it?

Contemplating (weather permitting) going to see The Weight this evening at an outdoor venue. It gives me several hours to kill after work and before it starts and makes a reasonably late night (an hour or more from home). Has anyone seen this lineup? Is it worth the effort? Bob W, you in?


Entered at Wed Jul 6 10:51:27 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Top 50 Live Albums...according to the NME

The Last Waltz at #33 and Before The Flood at #29.

Rock of Ages.....not on the list.

Most baffling (for me at least): The Song Remains The Same at #12. Really? While it does have a moment or two, on the whole it stinks. And I say this as a Led Zep fan.


Entered at Wed Jul 6 01:59:52 CEST 2016 from (97.33.65.104)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: My 2 Cents

Not a lot of time to comment in depth at the moment, except to say I can generally stomach the fact that someone who hires me and pays me probably is wealthier than me. I have a harder time with the contradiction of our elected representatives (public servants) invariably becoming multi-millionaires while claiming to understand the struggles of the working class. I guess it's all about having the right connections.

On short, I expect a capitalist titan of industry to be a greedy bastard....that's seems to go with the territory. But when the peole who are supposed to be looking out for the little guy turn into greedy bastards, then something is out of whack.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 22:58:54 CEST 2016 from (86.171.77.136)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Reviews

Enjoyed the reviews, Peter. Would really have liked to have seen Carole King. I still play Tapestry, Writer and the live album with James Taylor frequently. Thanks.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 22:35:21 CEST 2016 from (131.137.34.214)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: hint: more toward the right bookend . . .

Bill M: This is from the W'pedia entry on "World Communism":

"Marxist philosophy held that because capitalism had become global (and thus capitalists could be expected to cooperate internationally to maintain dominance in class conflict), the proletariat would need to cooperate internationally as well, via proletarian internationalism, to avoid continued subjugation via divide and rule (thus the rallying cry of workers of the world, unite!)"

It's been well demonstrated that the rich _are_ getting richer, which tells me which way the plot's thickening. More than one pundit has proposed that the Brexit vote was due to the proletariat's similar perception.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 21:34:14 CEST 2016 from (24.114.67.247)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: plotting bookends

Peter V: Today's the first I've heard that the EU is a Marxist plot. But then, it's also the first I've heard of it being a 1%-er plot. I'm confident that the truth lies somewhere between those poles.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 17:53:33 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Michael Kiwanuka

Fourth and final Hyde Park review, Michael Kiwanuka, who surprisingly lists "The Band" when asked about his influences! Very good he is, too.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 17:44:39 CEST 2016 from (174.88.216.50)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Henley-King-Goffin

Extremely readable reviews, Mr. Viney. You possess a casual yet encyclopedic style that attempts to capture the essence of a song, singer's mood and the performance itself, with a lot of informative goodies thrown in. Nice! (Watch those danglers, though . . . okay, just one.)


Entered at Tue Jul 5 16:03:25 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Si, thanks for the 37.4% calculation which I can now repeat. Laziness with the calculator got me there. The US Senate requires a two thirds majority for treaties and impeachments. That makes sense to me for major constitutional issues.

My younger son writes to me from China in much the same terms as you (though not as articulately) and also sees the EU as a huge Marxist plot. I’d say the reverse and that Vlad The Impaler with Poisoned Umbrellas (aka Putin) is the one enjoying the potential breakup most keenly.

I don’t know where this Marxist plot behind the EU comes from … is it some Brexit rewrite of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

I travelled to Hungary in 1988 before The Berlin Wall fell, and again in 1990 when I also went to Poland and I’ve been to both a few times since. I was talking to teachers and doing teacher training, and of course everyone was a member of the Communist party then … they wouldn’t have got a job in a school otherwise. They were desperate to get out and tear up those membership cards, and did so with glee. It probably wasn’t all bad … I heard happy memories of Young Pioneer camps, and I will say several of the high schools even in 1988 put ours to shame in terms of equipment, class size and facilities.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 15:42:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff: The Carole King website lists the other people at the show … there were two or three minor stages around the food court area. I reckon it's all there now except the second backing vocalist … Michelle John is a well-known singer here. I'd guess therefore the other was British too.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 15:38:15 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Louise Goffin

Third review up, one to go. This is Louise Goffin, Carole King's daughter, the one Little Eva was employed to babysit.

Thank, Jeff - that all makes sense. I'll amend.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 15:31:36 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Reviews by Peter V

Thank you, Peter. These reviews of Hyde Park were so good and complete that...well I'm sorry I wasn't there (and I am no longer a fan of outdoor events). I just listened to 'Tapestry' again and the melodies are all infectious. The songs evoke a time of innocence and human sensitivity.I wonder if today's kids 'get it'.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 12:04:02 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.109)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, thanks for the reviews & I'm glad you so thoroughly enjoyed yourself.. There are some oddities between the actual lineup, & what is listed on her website. I don't know the correct full lineup. But

It certainly was Kortchmar on guitar. Robbie Kondor , previously married to King's daughter Sherry, was on keys. Photos looked like Sean Pelton on drums, and very possibly ( added to your educated partially heard guess) that coulda been been Zev Katz on bass. Dillon Kondor is Carole's grandson, the son of Robbie & Sherry, & likely was along on guitar.Louise for sure.

King's website oddly lists the band as Michael Kiwanuka, Louise Goffin, Ed Harcourt, Rae Morris, RY X, Ward Thomas, Billie Marten, Flyte,Clare Maguire, Isaac Gracie and Meadowlark. Very peculiar.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 11:37:03 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: PV

Only joking btw P - I am getting there! It's two paragraphs!!

Nah - it's really good - really enjoying it.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 5 11:34:51 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Yet another scouse polemicist on the GB!!!

Si

I've printed it out to read later. I won't make the same mistake as I'm doing with Pete's book which is to take it to bed and nod off after a paragraph!!

I'm assuming part 2 is following so I'll leave it til then. Initial scan through reveals real genuine passion for the subject in hand - which is always a box ticked in my book. So I look forward to devouring it.

Did you decipher my e-mail addy?


Entered at Tue Jul 5 11:29:37 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Carole King in Hyde Park

Link to my full review of the headliner at Hyde Park, Carole King doing Tapestry in full for the first time ever. When I worried about ticket prices and standing up all day, Jeff A told me it was an unrepeatable life time event. Many thanks, Jeff. You were 100% right. Danny Kortchmar was there … I think I only vaguely heard the names of the rest of the band. Corrections welcome. Two more Hyde Park reviews to follow.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 09:31:17 CEST 2016 from (68.196.222.188)

Posted by:

Ari

Subject: pushin age 73

I'm guessing Robbie's listening to Jupiter Hollow tonight. Happy 72 ...next year he buy a custom Ontario-made Rockin Chair. I now realize that as it's turned out, Ragtime Willy was always Garth Hudson.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 04:40:34 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.206)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: sore winners

And the gold medal goes to ... Simon at the GB!!


Entered at Tue Jul 5 03:57:55 CEST 2016 from (86.152.159.80)

Posted by:

Simon

Location: Islington towers where the view is often obscured by thick mists
Web: My link

Subject: Part 1 of 2

Prelude: Having Your Future Stolen Away From You

"And I'm pushin' age seventy-three ..."
"Hey, up yours, Gramps, you're gonna be dead soon, you old fart. Pushin' up daisies, more like. Tee hee hee"

[Pushes wheelchair down staircase à la Richard Widmark]

***************************************************************
Chapter One: Why I've Been a Very Naughty Boy

Hello again, Al. I wanted to give you a more considered response. This might be a long one but as I've never felt the need to apologize for excessive length before I'm not going to start now. I've always found it's appreciated. Besides, I'm in good company.

Voting was probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. After all, as you point out the potential ramifications regarding funding being cut in the most deprived areas of the country are worrying. We simply do not know how it'll play out in the long run. A lot of people on various forums seemed to have turned into experts on trade and finance overnight. These are the doom mongers and catastrophists I talked of last week. But these folks seem to have an almost blind faith in the superstate that is the EU. It's like a law of inverse proportion. The more they spout their monetary speculations the less they have to say about the very real democracy and sovereignty issues that were -- and still are -- at stake. You read stuff like "Yeah, it does need some reform but, hey, we need to stay in. We can worry about that later. We'll get together with like-minded members, put pressure on the EU and we'll get change." That sort of thing.

That change would never happen. It's just the nature of the beast. A lot has been made of the political leanings of various bigwigs and commissioners and it might be overstating things somewhat to claim that it's riddled with communists and far leftists but it's undoubtedly true that many of the more powerful members are communists. It's undeniable. "Ex-communist" is bollocks. I think back to the short lived EU symbol from 2011. You might remember it. A large yellow star comprised of a seemingly random arrangement of religious symbols (not dissimilar to the "Coexist" symbol and just as barf-inducing), featuring a higher count of the crescent moon/star combo than the cross. Yet Europe is still largely a Christian continent as far as I'm concerned and hopefully always will be. Curiously the uppermost symbol on the star was, you guessed it, the hammer and sickle. Now, I don't consider that a religious symbol. But the placement was very telling all the same.

I'm not even going to elaborate on why I find that "problematic" (to use a word so beloved by SJWs and campus lefties) because it should be obvious. Jose Manuel Barroso was President of the EU Commission for what, nine or ten years? He's a communist. Not only that but he was a Maoist in his younger days. Now that's communism on steroids. Angela Merkel is commie ex-Stasi. A truly repulsive specimen if ever there was one.

What do people in the US and Canada make of all this? Surely they can't just soft-pedal this stuff? I can imagine some questioning the sanity of those who voted to Leave. "Are they nuts? Where are their hearts? Don't they want to be part of something bigger? Are they just insular low IQ Little Englanders? Don't they want to be continental and sophisticated?" Maybe they think the EU is comparable to a US-style federation. It's not. The best comparison would be to a Soviet-style bloc. You need a Philadelphia lawyer to scratch the surface and to understand even a minuscule fraction of how the EU works and how its gears grind. There's a reason why it's often described as "Kafkaesque". It's deliberately set up that way. I mean "trilogues", for God's sake. It's impossible to make head nor tail of this stuff.

When the 1975 referendum took place the British people were assured that the EEC (as it was then) was all about facilitating trade and it was made abundantly clear to the voters that political union was NOT on the agenda. So they voted to stay in. They didn't vote for what we have now. Perhaps John Major should have ensured that we had a referendum over Maastricht. Had that been the case it's instructive to note that the older people then would have been the WW2 generation. Sadly most of them are no longer with us but I can only speculate what the response would have been had the result and voting patterns been the same as ten days ago. Would they have received the same opprobrium? Mercifully that heroic generation have largely been spared the indignity of having to breathe the same air as certain pissy, spoiled Millennials. Which brings me to ...

**********************************************************
Chapter Two: Generation Snowflake and the Big Bad Rebellious Rock Stars of 2016

So as not to appear too curmudgeonly I'd like to talk about Holly. This young person was featured in a YouTube video filmed in Downing Street or its environs the day after the referendum. I won't link to the video but it's easy enough to find if you so desire. Holly was alright and I did feel a twinge of compassion for her that was almost fatherly. She was holding a (yawn) Socialist Worker placard -- strange because the SWP were pro-Leave -- and she gave her reasons for being on the Remain side. I won't elaborate because I do feel bad for her; suffice to say she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

She seemed like a decent person with a good heart though. You can just tell with some people. Type of girl you'd approve of if your son brought her home to introduce as his girlfriend, despite the weird clothes and get-up. There was a refreshing lack of bitterness and rancour in her, even when the interviewer revealed himself as a Leaver. Sadly it became apparent she hadn't availed herself of any information whatsoever regarding the EU.

Contrast her with the shower of gobshites -- honourable exceptions being Mr Farage and supporters -- in the above video (see link). This lot were the main catalyst for me writ(h)ing this screed. The blue-haired uptalker who can't seem to utter a sentence without it sounding like a question was pretty annoying. And there's not a lot I can say about Tiny Tears; she's more than eloquent in her whininess. Judge for yourself. She's probably the most offensive of all. As for the Glastonbury crusties, well, you can almost smell the clothing mould and yeast infections wafting through the screen.

Isn't it edifying to know that half (I'm being generous here) of those festival goers just couldn't be bothered to vote but that didn't stop them spending the evening on MDMA twirling around in a field while swinging a light sabre? Hugs all around, dahlings. Mwah, mwah.

But the musicians aren't getting off scot free. How did we ever get to the point where these bad boys -- just look at all that black leather -- can come out firmly FOR corporations and multinationals, big government and a meddlesome nanny superstate, maintaining the status quo at all costs, and billionaire insider trader and all around evil bastard George Soros?

Same goes for Bono, Bob Geldof, Jarvis Cocker et al.

So bold, so radical, so edgy.

What a bunch of pussies.

*************************************************************************
Chapter Three: Taking an 89th Minute Dive in the Penalty Area

The poor losers who are so vocal in the mainstream media are determined to get their way. Some seem to think Parliament will somehow not follow through, that those MPs will find a way to renege. And they may well be right about that. Some pundits throw around the not too surprising fact that the majority of MPs were in favour of staying in the EU.

No shit, Sherlock? Quite a few MPs -- not all because a handful have some integrity -- already have one beady eye on their post-Parliamentary careers in Brussels. A very generous six figure salary and a whole heaping helping of allowances, perks and expenses await. A sweet, sweet deal if ever there was one. You don't even have to do that much work. Call it the "Neil Kinnock effect."

Even if the losers get their way the victory will be hollow. Cheats never prosper and that knowledge will slowly gnaw at their souls. Had the Brexiteers lost by 65 to 35 or something in that neighbourhood then it's safe to say they would have taken it on the chin for the most part and accepted the will of the people, regardless of the overall turnout. But if they'd lost 51 to 49 it could've been seen as a win-win. The genie would have been partly out of the bottle. If the losers connive and contrive to get their way then how will the rest of the world see them? Likewise if their extended collective footstamping and holding their breath until they pass out manages to force a second referendum -- I doubt that'll happen but you never know -- then it reflects equally as badly on them. The whole world will be watching. But we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[As an aside I have to ask Peter why he keeps repeating the old "51.9% of 72% which comes out as 36%" line. (It's actually 37.4% ... if you round it to the nearest whole number then it's 37%) If the result had gone the other way -- 51.9% Remain against 48.1% Leave on a 72% turnout -- would he countenance for a picosecond a Leave supporter making the same argument? Like he wouldn't say "the people have spoken, it was a democratic process, and although the margin wasn't huge it wasn't negligible either so you need to get over it. What's done is done." On second thoughts the chances of him answering this question honestly are about 0.00000000000134675%]

[crickets]


Entered at Tue Jul 5 03:04:56 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Mixed Bag and Elmore Magazine

Yes, Al is correct. We're super delighted! Can't thank John D enough.

Also, check out the great feature RoseAnn just got in Elmore Magazine.


Entered at Tue Jul 5 01:07:05 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: That should be JD's show on Saturday July 16th of course [not July 17th]

Must stop getting over-excited and losing track of days!!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jul 5 01:00:17 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: John Donabie's Mixed Bag Show Saturday July 17th featuring RoseAnn Fino

So delighted with this news John as I know Bob and RoseAnn and family are and your Liverpool listeners will also be.

I'll say it again mate - you're a star!!!

Thanks so much.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Jul 4 21:25:39 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Apologies if this has already been posted

You might already be aware. New Mojo’s cover story is about going inside Blonde On Blonde.

It comes with a CD called Blonde On Blonde Revisited; with groups covering the album.


Entered at Mon Jul 4 17:51:15 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Don Henley in Hyde Park

Link to my review of Don Henley in Hyde Park, as support to Carole King yesterday. Carole King review will follow soon!


Entered at Mon Jul 4 12:11:02 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.109)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: US Justice Dept Consent decree hurts songwriters

read at the link


Entered at Mon Jul 4 10:59:44 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Blimey!

Peter V mentions "Cor blimey!". You sometimes used to hear this as "Gor blimey!" which is even closer to "God blind me!".


Entered at Mon Jul 4 08:54:09 CEST 2016 from (5.148.89.130)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: europe

Subject: statistics

Well, Norbert. Our fabled 51.9% for Brexit works out as 51.9% of 72% which comes out as 36%. All our politicians chant "the people have spoken." Where we're screwed is that the opposition, Labour, has just wanderered off and gone away. They should be standing up and re-iterating the sovereignty of parliament. They all lined up to get rid of Corbyn last week, then did nothing.


Entered at Mon Jul 4 04:15:51 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Roseann Fino & Al Edge

Al, I'm off next week. Show has been pre-empted for Afro Fest here in Toronto. I will be featuring your favourite girl on July 16 just after 3:00 pm Eastern Time, 8:00-9:00 pm your time.


Entered at Sun Jul 3 22:55:12 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: my pan flute

This afternoon the Brexit got me emotional so I grabbed my pan flute, walked up the hill, turned west, took a deep breath and flute my lungs out on Dixie. The fresh air helped me thinking and as I blew the high notes into the short left pipes, this week’s Dutch poll came into my mind:

1) Will the EU collapse within 10 years ? yes: 46% (2011: 32%)
2) The Netherlands out of the EU? Yes: 37% (2011: 25%)
3) Out of the Euro? Yes:40% (2011: 25%)
4) We should never have given the Gilder away? Yes: 50%
5) Are you concerned about the outbreak of a new world war? Yes: 44% (2011: 17%)

Are we on the eve of war? (if Jeff’s Pizza’s doesn’t kill us first).

Whilst blowing the mid-section; Maybe this unexpected Brexit made some of us smile behind our hand, but that smile will perish. Watching this Brexit mess unroll one must be aware that this ‘Machiavellian’ soap could become a threat for all of us.

A weak democracy and recession added with some demagogy can become a deadly poison with catastrophically consequences, both literally and figuratively. About time to leave the Brexit playground.

Maybe Merkel, who also knows Weimar, will stay calm and do the right thing. So this time Germany could, after setting the world on fire twice (and after beating France next Sunday), help to save it now.

I took a deep breath again and as I blew the long low thundering bas section, I just wondered;

Precisely 100 years after the Somme this would make England the new Germany and Germany the new England (roll over Beethoven and Shakespeare).

I dried my flute by turning it upside down, bowed my head and walked home.


Entered at Sun Jul 3 20:01:06 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.31)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: From Robbie Robertson's Facebook page.....

"Scotty Moore's guitar sound and style on those Sun recordings with Elvis slayed me. His rhythm and solos were as full as a whole orchestra. He changed the life of guitar players all over the world. Sam Philips was a genius for putting him together with Elvis-- a perfect fit ! I was helpful in getting Scotty inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. A moment I am deeply proud of. Bless his soul" - RR


Entered at Sun Jul 3 16:07:17 CEST 2016 from (67.84.77.236)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: NYC Pizza Deaths

Figuratively literal. The whole world is dying. It's only a question of how quickly the business leaders & political leaders kill us. If we're gonna get blown up, maimed to pieces, or suffocated slowly. While great pizza still exists in Brooklyn, I still prefer the leader that will choke us for 9 or 10 bars, give us a few gasps of breath on the last few.


Entered at Sun Jul 3 15:41:31 CEST 2016 from (67.84.77.236)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

The real gems are the select one eared & one nut GBers. (When both deficits are same sided they list to one side)


Entered at Sun Jul 3 15:17:30 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Explanations

Ian, a very comprehensive explanation thank you. I was just funning with youze guys.

Thank you Peter, and Al. Carl! good to hear from you and that sounds like great fun. Wish I was there. If you have the chance, give my best regards to Lorne.

I'm away to Port Hardy this morning. Just installed a new exhaust system in Westcoaster. Some tidying up to do today to finish it as I have to leave on a long job tomorrow. Stay on the Rockin Chair tonight as Susan has to go down the island to help her sister for a couple of days. The Rockin Chair is looking a little sad. I've been so busy I haven't had time to get her bright work cleaned up.

A big helicopter logging company I do a lot of work for are making serious noises about buying my outfit now. I'm doing every thing in my power to make it happen so I can begin to enjoy some freedom..........


Entered at Sun Jul 3 13:43:49 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: One-eared GBers

Ha ha

Made me howl!

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jul 3 12:22:07 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Peter V/ Van Gogh

Although we have a long history of one-eared gbers I was thinking of Vincent's correspondence with the friend Theodorius. (Most likely Norbert's competence.)


Entered at Sun Jul 3 12:07:46 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Hey Norm

I was gonna say Jumpin' Jehosapha or even Blimey O'Riley but thought I'd stick with plain Blimey!!

ha ha

:-0)


Entered at Sun Jul 3 09:44:07 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

"wretch" is right,


Entered at Sun Jul 3 09:42:34 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cor Blimey!

As Ian says, it's "God blind me." It's often said as "Cor, Blimey!" which makes that clearer. You can just say "Blimey!" or just say "Cor!" though "Cor" on its own is usually appreciation as well as a surprise. If uncouth, one might say it when a shapely female walked past. "Cor!"

I'd say you hear it much less nowadays because the stronger swearwords have become more acceptable.


Entered at Sun Jul 3 06:12:27 CEST 2016 from (24.69.0.104)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Good Times

Hey Norm. Just caught the first set of a band they threw together to-nite with your old buddy Lorne Burns. Lorne/drums, Auntie Kate/vocals, Dave Rolland/bass, Brent Shindel/lead, Matt Steffich/rhythm, and Dave Rouse/sax. The place is just a jumping. You should be down here buddy. Oh yea. They're calling themselves 'Donnie Brook and the Haymakers'


Entered at Sun Jul 3 02:49:56 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Blimey!

"Blimey!" expresses surprise, shock even, maybe disbelief and, sometimes, also a touch of annoyance.

It is believed to be a contraction of "God blind me!", an exclamation from centuries back, presumably said by someone who could not believe what they were seeing.


Entered at Sun Jul 3 02:18:54 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I gotta KNOW! in my heart........

What in hell does Blimey! mean?? You gawd damn Limeys have been saying that forever........... My Grandma was born in London. She said it all the time......now come clean!

My favourite was coming in the kitchen, sneaking up behind Grandma and yelling GRANDMA!.......she would shriek.... Oh my God! and then call me a little wretch! How in hell do you spell wretch? is that right? I dunno......


Entered at Sat Jul 2 21:14:20 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.56)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC, since you intuit that pizza & life are intertwined, you must also know the dimensions extend. You will appreciate something i've had in the works too long. It may hit the radar in a week, or in a month. Or ...I'm just hoping I can pull it off.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 19:55:41 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JD's superb Mixed Bag Show Saturdays 2pm -4pm [7pm - 9pm UK time]

Just about to tune in.

Fingers crossed RoseAnn's feature is this week tho I'm guessing it might be a tad early. Still, John's smooth Grenache tones and his eclectic musical offerings will suffice if not!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 2 19:51:22 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: More EU shite

Blimey Si - I did wonder for a moment about your stance on this when you mentioned the RAWK thread but sort of thought that you simply felt the outrage and indignation was way OTT. I never had you down as so opposed yourself to the EU. You must have had a dicky fit reading some of the over simplified bile on there.

My own inclinations were to stay - mainly to ensure as much as possible financial ringfencing of funding allocated for the welfare of deprived areas under Tory rule and because like with anything like this the actuality of what happens when you quit something so deeply embedded into a nation's fabric 40 odd years down the line - however open to justifiable criticism it may be - is just so unpredictable that often the devil you know turns out to be preferable to one you don't know.

I'm assuming the e-mail translation didn't work so I'll risk even more gremlins than I already attract and repeat it more coherently - aledgeatblueyonderdotcodotuk

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jul 2 19:08:42 CEST 2016 from (86.141.117.221)

Posted by:

Simon

I agree with what you say about people working here, Peter, and you'll get no argument from me on that score. As you probably have guessed from my surname I'm the son of an immigrant myself, my father fought at Monte Cassino and came over here after WW2. I'll be the first to admit that in depth economics and politics are not my forte but I'm probably not alone in that respect. I think I've got a reasonable grasp of the basics. But I'm sure you can see that people coming over here to work wasn't my point at all. I believe the EU to be on borrowed time now. Its days are numbered and I hope the collapse is rapid. It's buzzard meat now. Tough times are ahead but that was always going to be the case.

I also have to say that the way older people were criticized (to put it mildly) in the days following the referendum was really disheartening. Only 4 out of 10 of people in the 18-24 age bracket bothered to vote. I could be cynical and wonder why they couldn't put down the X-Box/spliff/smartphone for an hour and find the local polling station. Then you read about people going to Glastonbury and wondering why there wasn't a voting booth there. Those people could've a) voted by post b) voted on the Thursday morning and traveled to Glastonbury afterwards.

I have to ask though, Peter, why do you think the EU has preserved the peace for the last 70 years? Why is Angela Merkel not on your list of people with a place reserved in hell.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 18:44:44 CEST 2016 from (79.158.172.127)

Posted by:

Richard

Web: My link

Subject: Piano Players

Well spotted Tom. Will order.

In the meantime, have found a complete episode of Soundstage from 1974 on YouTube with Dr. John, Professor Longhair, The Meters, and Earl King.

Irresistible stuff.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 16:30:15 CEST 2016 from (67.167.98.19)

Posted by:

Tom

Location: NOLA/Chicago

Subject: Piano Players...

Richard, you can get "Piano Players Rarely Ever Play Together" here: http://www.louisianamusicfactory.com/shop/dvd/piano-players-rarely-ever-play-together/

This is well worth seeking out to see the lineage of New Orleans piano through three greats who are no longer with us, and the LMF is a great source for NOLA-related music, posters and DVDs. Enjoy!


Entered at Sat Jul 2 16:13:54 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

The Telegraph have been as pro-Brexit as Murdoch's Sun, the Mail or the rabid Express. This heralded “democratic majority” consists of 51.9% of a 72.16% turnout. So this “democratic mandate” to totally screw up the country is around 36.5%.

Basically, and I'm sure this is what Johnson knew full well, we leave, then we need a trade deal. The price, as for others outside, is free movement of labour and European regulations on goods and services. That will not be negotiable. Result: we are back exactly where we started on both immigration and laws, the difference being that we have thrown away both our vote and our right to veto.

Notice how the places which actually trade, manufacture and educate voted "Remain." The Southern shires where I live were largely "Leave," which is an older population profile, and a local attitude which my grandad described as the Dorset motto: "There be a stranger. Heave half a brick at he."

I was thinking about this on Thursday, in a restaurant in London. lovely young Spanish waitress with excellent English. A very nice Greek table captain with excellent English. These young people have (a) learned a foreign language to a high level (b) had the courage to leave their homes and families, and move to seek work. I hate to say it, but that could be a lesson to their British peers in areas with no work. We are very fortunate to have these intelligent, well-educated, hard-working and enthusiastic young people choosing to live and work in our country. I can only see benefit. As has been pointed out, immigrants pay far more in tax than they take in benefits.

As A.A. Gill said, that EU "red tape" is why workers have rights, you can't beat your children, and we can eat in most restaurants without fearing salmonella. In the last year, only 4 out of 120 bills in Parliament were EU originated.

The British foam at the mouth at the silly bits of Brussels bureaucracy like the size of apples or the shape of potatoes. As a French colleague said, "Why don't you do what the other 27 countries do and ignore them?"

Britain could be at the forefront of a move … popular in many European countries … to pull back the Brussels fat cats from within. Instead, we'll be outside.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 15:27:41 CEST 2016 from (86.141.117.225)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

I'm always astonished by the claims that the EU has ensured peace in Europe for the last seventy years. Link is to piece by Nigel Jones of the Telegraph. Relevant excerpts below:

[Quote] It is, of course, Nato, not the EU, that has kept the peace since World War Two, and the EU which has already worsened – if it did not not directly cause – two armed conflicts on European soil in the former Yugoslavia and the Ukraine. 

The history of EU-style multinational federations imposed by an elite from above in Europe is not a happy one. From the frayed patchworks of the  Holy Roman and Hapsburg Austrian Empires, down to the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, they have invariably ended in bloody chaos, and then the peace and quiet of the graveyard.

Not for nothing did a bemused Mikhail Gorbachev – and as the man who presided over the dissolution of Russia's "evil empire" he should surely know – say that the most puzzling development in Europe over the past decade was the determination of the EU's leaders to reconstruct the Soviet Union, a failed state if there ever was one, on the soil of western Europe. Gorbachev was speaking before the long arm of EU meddling reached as far as Ukraine, causing that vast country to split in two and threaten  war with Vladimir Putin's Russia – a slow-burn crisis that may yet erupt once more into open conflict.

Back in the 1990s, the total failure of EU diplomacy helped speed former Yugoslavia into a brutal ethnic civil war. A fragile peace was finally imposed on those troubled lands not by the EU, but by Nato bombs and arm twisting backed by the Atlantic alliance's  military muscle. 

So the EU's record at actually keeping the peace is fairly shabby. And in fact it is not the bureaucratic and dictatorial edicts of the EU that have kept the peace in Europe, but the forces of trade, travel and globalisation. Meanwhile, it is the imposition of a top-down dictat from Brussels  that is breeding resistance from an increasingly resentful European body politic. [Unquote]


Entered at Sat Jul 2 15:13:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Subject: Back to Mono

What with having only one ear, wouldn't Vincent Van Gogh be better placed on a Brian Wilson or Beach Boys GB? Or perhaps Phil Spector?


Entered at Sat Jul 2 13:50:29 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pizza related (Jeff A)

Jeff, I lost my focus and posted something music related and forgot what is _the meaning_ of life: a pizza. (So you see, I have found the thruth anyway!). You may have seen my pic of a pizza car http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/01/27/282600882142914305/i282600889623775273._rsw360h270_szw360h270_.jpg (also my link). The "clue" of this pic is that VINCENT VAN GOGH lived in the house to the left. The Allied air forces bombed the house during the WW2 and this house is therefore not the original one. I believe they bombed it by accident because the bridge over the Rhone River is still there near this house. - Vincent could have made a good gber and a profitable customer at Pizza Jo!


Entered at Sat Jul 2 12:31:48 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania northwest

Subject: Norbert, The Blues (to Jeff A)

Thanks Norbert for your clarification. I am still as stupid as yesterday but on a higher philosophical and intellectual level now. Like Boris.

Jeff, you posted that bles does not sell today. Yes. It certainly did sell in 1967 in Finland. Our leading rock band called themselves for 'BLUES SECTION', even if they didn't pay a single blues song. More likely psychedelic rock, political song movement, jazz rock.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 12:31:12 CEST 2016 from (79.158.172.127)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: New Orleans Piano

Currently seeking out a copy of the documentary, 'Piano Players Rarely Ever Play Together' (1982), which might appeal to Band fans.

It documents the historic meeting of the three finest New Orleans piano players: Professor Longhair, Tuts Washington and Allen Toussaint.

So far, I've only been able to find a short clip on YouTube (see link), but it looks fascinating.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 12:29:26 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: First Light

Link to my review of the new play "First Light" about tHe Battle of The Somme. Of all the pals battalions, as Joe says, Newfoundland took the worst loss of all on the day, though there were several in the same sort of area. The play is about two deserters, shot at dawn.Very moving.

And the anniversary of The Somme reminds me why Brexit, organised by buffoons and wildly ambitious arseholes, is such a tragedy. That's why a Western europe with 71 years of peace, facing unprecedented challenges from migration from war zones, should be acting in concert. As one Conservative MP said, there is a place in hell reserved for Gove. I'd add Johnson and Fargage.

Worse the analysis today on radio agrees they have absolutely not a clue what to do next, because they were certain they would lose, but narrowly, and so could use it for jockeying for internal party positions.

The Guardian reports sales are up 70,000 per day. This has not happened to a newspaper in years. this morning I tried the supermarket and two newsagents. All sold out, as more and more of us avoiding putting more money in the hands of the filth (aka press barons) that control the media.


Entered at Sat Jul 2 02:30:31 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Newfoundland
Web: My link

Subject: Memorial Day

See link. One hundred years ago. Battle of the Somme. Beaumont Hamel. The slaughter was the defining moment in our history. The numbers seared in our memory. 801 went 'over the top' that morning; 68 answered the roll call the next day.

I always think of Steve Heggison on this day. Steve was knowledgeable on unexpected things and we had several discussions on this tragic and ultimately useless battle. Catch a Fire my friend..


Entered at Fri Jul 1 22:24:53 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn Fino at Hifi Records

RoseAnn is opening tonight for one of Woody Guthrie's grandkids at Hifi Records in Astoria Queens.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 22:10:44 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: All Dolled Up

Kev, absolutely agree about the Dolls Doc. Fantastic.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 21:46:57 CEST 2016 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: Van the man...

Looks like Van Morrison's next studio album out this fall will include a cover of Share Your Love With Me.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 21:33:30 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.10)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Pizza is serious business in Brooklyn

L& B spumoni Gardens is hailed as one of the great pizzerias in the U. S. Fact is, it hasn't been good in well over a decade. However, the place is always a mob scene. Take that any way you want. But it is a large property, with plenty of in & outdoor eating or dining area.

In this article the reporter cites the motive as robbery... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/slain-brooklyn-pizzeria-owner-10g-cash-article-1.2695872

several years ago the L & B sauce recipe almost sparked a mob war.

extortion case article : http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mob-sauce-summit-colombos-bonannos-sitdown-suspected-family-recipe-theft-b-spumoni-gardens-article-1.1095311

Main website http://www.spumonigardens.com/our-story

I spent most of yesterday afternoon in that neighborhood, left around 6 Pm i think. A good friend lives on 69yh & 13th ave. Used to be murders there regularly, today it is unusual. It's even unusual for some one to get their head cracked open over there today. Even twenty years ago it was common. Thirty & Forty years ago it was a daily occurrence.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 21:08:02 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.10)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Don't fence me in........gator jumps fence, on video.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 20:24:21 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.31)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: New York Doll

On the subject of music documentaries, I've mentioned this before here but among my all time top 5 docs is "New York Doll".........doesn't matter in the least if you were a fan of the Dolls or not........."New York Doll" is the story of Arthur killer Kane, bass player, librarian....and it is flat out brilliant......do see it...you will thank me for this.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 20:24:31 CEST 2016 from (100.2.21.114)

Posted by:

Joan

Happy Canada Day and July 4th to all. Have a safe holiday!


Entered at Fri Jul 1 19:30:06 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Hiking Trails

Ilkka, don’t worry, it was only an excuse to keep my other friend Bill going.

Jed, in front of our house in France there was a little sign saying GR-4 and I noticed a lot of backpackers passing there in the summer. One day I Googled GR 4: means Grande Radonnee 4, that's a network of long-distance footpath in Europe.

The GR-4 trail is about 1000 miles long and connects Royan, at the Atlantic coast, with Grasse in the Provence at the Mediterranean Sea (link).


Entered at Fri Jul 1 18:46:17 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.31)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jaco - The documentary

For those that do pick it up, do watch the 2nd disc as well......a ton of extended interviews...notably Herbie Hancock, Joni Mitchell.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 17:55:04 CEST 2016 from (114.4.79.18)

Posted by:

Paarcash

Location: Pasarcash.Com Agen Bola Sbobet Euro 2016 Terpercaya
Web: My link

Subject: Pasarcash.Com Agen Bola Sbobet Euro 2016 Terpercaya

visited me link


Entered at Fri Jul 1 16:28:57 CEST 2016 from (92.22.21.52)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Docs

I would recommend these recent music documentaries - The Case of The Three Sided Dream and Bayou Maharajah. One about Jazz multi-instrumentalist Roland Kirk and the other is about New Orleans pianist James Booker. Les Blank's film A Poem Is Naked Person about Leon Russell is another great one. I've got to find Jacko as I love a good music documentary.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 16:27:42 CEST 2016 from (109.66.18.5)

Posted by:

shiran

Location: Plantation FL
Web: My link

Subject: the band

Thanks for another informative site. Where else could I get that type of info written in such a perfect way? I have a project that I am just now working on, and I've been on the look out for such info.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 12:20:55 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mustard / Ketchup

Sorry Norbert, I didn't get it. New email can be found on the car site. (On the other hand, if you don't get it in the first place, you are not worth of guiding.)


Entered at Fri Jul 1 12:17:58 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Lisa, indeed, thanks.

Bill, yet another masterpiece to answer my post, thanks for the effort. Concerning the upcoming HBO Brexit series, I agree, you’d make a fine young Gove.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 10:54:28 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jaco Movie

Just saw it-a first rate documentary about a unique talent.Sad life.I was pleased to see that a close colleague was his doc who tried to the last day to keep Jaco safe.


Entered at Fri Jul 1 07:45:20 CEST 2016 from (79.158.172.127)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Happy Canada Day

Celebrating by watching The Band at the New Orleans Jazz Festival.

First time I've seen this. Holy sh*t. They were sure firing on all cylinders!


Entered at Fri Jul 1 04:47:23 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Birr M

Subject: the weight of the blockchain ...

Nolb: Remember me mentioning Tapscott's "Blockchain Revolution" a couple weeks ago? In one of several chapters of use-cases there is a section about how Analie, a young immigrant from the Philippines, sends regular remittances from Toronto home to her mother in Manila, a generally tedious and expensive process that is vastly improved by using blockchain technology. Tapscott, who'd dabbled in pop-rock as I mentioned before, titles the section "Well, Luke, my friend, what about young Analie?" Not bad for such a serious book. (Also, thanks for the link to the interesting maps.)


Entered at Fri Jul 1 00:56:01 CEST 2016 from (174.1.58.122)

Posted by:

Lisa

Norbert, that was really fascinating!


Entered at Thu Jun 30 22:26:00 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.150)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Documentary Recommendation: "Jaco"..........a documentary on the life and true genius of the late Jaco Pastorius....watched it last night and thought it brilliant.....perhaps more geared to musicians than regular civilians.....but I think everyone here would really enjoy it.

Happy Canada day weekend to all and a happy 4th to our friends south of the border.

RoseAnn had me at the Boxed Wine song.....rare that someone that young can not only appreciate but articulate the love and support of a parent or parents ( too often reserved for 60 years down the road at obituary time, sadly )........I can actually feel what that room with the sounds of Dylan playing all the time must have been like.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 21:15:55 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: the hateful eight
Web: My link

Subject: The rise and fall of Europe, in maps

see the link (okay? back to the hateful).


Entered at Thu Jun 30 20:12:44 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Good to hear it’s the Mustard now and no longer that ketchup, let’s pray they’ll leave it there.

On a lighter note; HBO has just bought all the Brexit rights.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 15:16:30 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Oops

That last post SI - was me.

Note to self - try engaging brain now and again!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jun 30 15:13:49 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Si

Subject: A crush on Moby Grape

It is exquisite as you say Si. And what a fantastic name. Always loved it but as you reflect back just the name seems to capture the era as evocatively as anything.

My one grape - oops, sorry gripe - is borne of rampant envy for the unfeasible bushels of hair each group member sported. Just not cricket!!

So sorry that you couldn't get there Si. Been there with sunstroke and it's no fun. You'd have loved it but even more it would have been great for us to meet up especially together with RoseAnn and her boyfriend Tony.

If you want and you can decipher my e-mail from that last post of mine and send us your address I can do copies of both EP's and get them to you.

And yeah TG is the moniker of a mate from a while back who I became friends with on the original Anfield Forever campaign. Over the years I kind of took over his moniker. I presume you're referring to the post about some fat chance of EU money to deprived areas and culture, research etc being replaced by the Tories and how the Theresa may address seemed to fly in the face of that?

Strange times Si. Thank god for RoseAnn and Sadio Mane!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jun 30 14:50:38 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Thank You

The support RoseAnn is getting from the Guest Book has been phenomenal. I can't thank everyone enough. In the time we live in now unless you have a big push behind you or a big stack of money in front of you, it's almost impossible. Especially for an independent artist. When you're a woman independent artist it's probably about 100 times harder. The support from the Guest Book and from Liverpool and from John D has meant so much.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 14:28:21 CEST 2016 from (86.175.45.73)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Bill - Absolutely agree about "8:05". I think it's the outstanding track on a pretty good album.

Al - I *was* going to just turn up at the Caledonia on the night. The Friday before was a really hot day and I must've caught too much sun on the back of my head and neck. I was sick as a mutt the following day with sunstroke. Not the full blown type which I once had but it was bad enough that I had to stay in bed. Sunday afternoon I still felt like shite and couldn't even face leaving the house, let alone listening to live music or having a drink.

What I've heard of RoseAnn's music is organic, free of artificial sweetening and flavours. Definitely the real deal and I will buy some CDs as soon as budget allows.

Another thing, Al, I was wondering if you'd recently just posted something on a certain thread on a certain football site (initials TG, if I remember correctly). I'd been intermittently checking it out but yours -- if indeed it was you -- was probably the best post on a truly brutal thread. So many catastrophists and doom-mongers around at the moment who are absolutely partisan and 100% sure they're right and will be proved right.

Maybe our friends in this GB from other countries are wondering why we haven't had much of a discussion about it but I think there'll be plenty of time for that and it's something we could and should do if we keep it civil. Like the man said, "May you live in interesting times." (Who was it who said that?)

Above link is to "8:05"


Entered at Thu Jun 30 13:45:56 CEST 2016 from (24.114.66.190)

Posted by:

Bill M

Simon: "8:05" - a truly fine song. In fact it could be called so wonderful - and also the first Moby Grape song I heard, on CHUM-FM in the oily '70s.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 12:59:49 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn's link to order her EP's

Si

Forgot to post her link in case you have missed all the fuss.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 12:54:41 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Joe J/Simon

I envy you Joe.

After 6 months I'm still playing both RoseAnn's EP's - the musical litmus test of sustained lasting quality as we all know so well on here. She is no 5 minute wonder. A wonder yeah - but one for a lifetime. A bit like the 5-piece collective we all originally arrived here to celebrate.

Simon - alright mate - hope you're well. Got to ask as you may have missed the whole RoseAnn thing. If you scroll back you'll find a fair few - okay Bill more than a fair few - posts from myself eulogising about her and her music. She's the daughter of our own Bob F off here. And she, her little band and their music is absolutely sensational. No exaggerrating. Absolutely top of the range grade 'A'. She did a solo guitar gig at the Caledonia on Catherine Street and was terrific. I can't recall but I'm guessing you weren't around back then and I must have omitted to post on here for your attention. I think I must have lost or never had your e-mail addy. Anyroad my e-mail just so it doesn't happen again and if we ever needed to hook up is aledge funny'at'blueyonderdottycodotty[really feckindotty!!!]UK

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jun 30 10:11:28 CEST 2016 from (86.175.45.73)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: One for the guitar players

Ever wondered how to play the guitar intro to "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" from the Live '66 album? See link. The guy also has many other videos on his channel, most notably one on the the tricky (but beautiful) intro to "8:05" by Moby Grape. I know they don't get much discussed here but that song is a gem.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 07:17:05 CEST 2016 from (68.196.243.25)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Oy

And now Rob Wasserman has died.

If i was writing me a bible, this would be the year of the boogie woogie flu.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 05:27:33 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

I believe that he mandolin player on Murray MacLauchlan's "Down By The Henry Moore" (and many other songs) was Ben Mink, who went on to considerable international success as k.d. lang's co-writer and producer.

Fwiw, I suspect that the friend of Murray's who doesn't think "this town's so out of sight" because "he's got blinkers 'round his soul and thinks he's seen the light" is his buddy Bruce Cockburn - so an gentle elbow to the ribs rather than a club to the head.

Kevin J: You mentioned David Clayton Thomas. In a long-ago lifetime I acted as doorman at a DCT houseparty near Casa Loma and was personally responsible for letting in an uninvited Murray MacLauchlan.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 02:44:37 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: RoseAnn Fino

What a pleasant surprise to find BOTH of RoseAnn's EPs in my mailbox. I'm pretty sure I only ordered the one. I've played them both, am blown away, will play again before I turn in and will take on our road trip this holiday weekend.

Thanks for 'Summertime Thing'.


Entered at Thu Jun 30 00:11:33 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Subject: Scotty Moore

I saw Scotty Moore and D.J. Fontana at The Brook Southampton, 10 or 12 years ago. They had a British Elvis Tribute band with them. The club owner told me Scotty’s wife spent 30 minutes massaging oils into Scotty’s hands before and after his set. When he got to Heartbreak Hotel solo, the audience blew the roof off. So he played it again and again … 7 or 8 times, each to even greater applause.

D.J. Fontana looked frail but hit the drums so hard and with such perfect timing that he was phenomenal. After each number he waved and went to wander off, but they brought him back again.

I realized that add Bill Black on bass and a young Elvis on rhythm guitar and … well, we all know what happened.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 22:38:22 CEST 2016 from (86.182.125.228)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Thanks

Thanks JT and Kevin.

The link takes you to how Paisley describes Murray McLauchlan in its famous Paisley people section of its website.

Another Canadian link is that Tony McManus recorded his second album 'Porqui Quebec' in Quebec.

Enjoyed the scenes of Toronto, Kevin. Really like your city. Have spent about three and a half weeks in Toronto. Enjoyed myself greatly.

Down by the Henry Moore, buying Canadian red wine at Honest Eds, bought several cds at Sam's and a great second hand shop at the Annexe. Great time at the Beaches - again I bought a couple of CDs at a CD shop there. Time in Cabbagetown and Yorkville...and much more.

Spent time following in the footprints of The Band... and as you'll probably know visited Richard's grave in Stratford.

And saw Alison Krause, Solomon Burke and CSNY Stop the War show.

I also was taken back in time by the slide showing the guy wearing the Afghan coat. In 1972, I sold Afghan coats at Pettycoat Lane in London.

Many thanks.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 20:50:47 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.150)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Down by the Henry Moore

LINKED: In my opinion, the video linked and arranged by John Allore is the best I have ever seen on Toronto. It captures so many important people and places that were the heart of the music and life scene during a certain era......including Handsome Ned........The reference to Leonard Cohen is also an example of the fine writing JT referenced.....Thank you, Dunc.....I only heard 5 mins of the show Saturday but it was a god 5 mins.....Boom Boom David Clayton Thomas !

NWC: Mustard.....so many good ones and while there can be too much, I have never made a sandwich where this was the complaint.....not with mustard....too much was always fine for this condiment.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 18:52:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

NWC, wrong kind of cheese. Cheese makes you dream, but not if it's too mild a variety.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 17:56:01 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Just do it!

Quit yer bitchin' and eat yer sandwich.......or .....take it back and order another one!


Entered at Wed Jun 29 17:44:30 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Soeren Kierkegaard

Thanks Norbert for mentioning Danish philosopher KIERKEGAARD, the father of existentialism, in this gb. (Sartre, Bill M, Sartre!) - There is a bench in Gribskov forest in Northern Zealand where he used to sit and try to find the truth. We have now found that very bench in the heart of the woods. We sat there for ten minutes but didn't find the truth. - We sat there on the same rotten bench and opened the lunch box and ate ham and cheese sandwiches.

There was too much of mustard, again.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 16:13:03 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: spell his name correctly: Murray McLauchlan

Murray McLauchlan- spelling !!!


Entered at Wed Jun 29 16:09:26 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Murray McLaughlin a treasure

Murray McLaughlin is one of the major talents of Toronto and Canada. He grew up in midtown Toronto and came on the scene as the Toronto folk scene was growing in Yorkville. His albums are wonderful. He is a gentleman and a fine guitarist in addition to a great lyricist.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 15:09:27 CEST 2016 from (86.182.125.228)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: John D

Listened to your show yesterday, John D. Really enjoyed it.

I was pleased you played 'Down By The Henry Moore', a particular favourite, and I learned quite a lot about Canadian music. Great stuff.

Coincidentaly, Murray McLauchlan was born a couple of miles away from where I live.

Many Thanks.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 14:55:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Walking The Dog

White Light White Heat by Ralph Stanley is an extraordinary juxtaposition. I presume it was done especially for the film and he assumed it was moonshine whisky. It opens up that Big Daddy question … did he ever hear the VU version, or just have the words and chords?

My link is to the wonderful Run C&W doing Walking The Dog … Russell Smith and Bernie Leadon,


Entered at Wed Jun 29 14:53:56 CEST 2016 from (212.227.252.8)

Posted by:

clash royale triche astuce

Location: France
Web: My link

Subject: great

I visited several web pages but this is great page..


Entered at Wed Jun 29 14:09:41 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Finger Poppin Time

Bill found this online; from the history of The Stanley Brothers. Apparently; because the Stanley brothers and Hank Ballard were both recording for King records at the time, Sid Nathan the owner of King thought it would be a great idea to cover both the R&B audience and the Country Bluegrass audience to broaden the appeal of the record. I've left a link; which is from the book. I couldn't copy it; so hope the link works.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 13:49:15 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Bill Munson

Well, once again Bill Munson proves to me what a great musical gift he has. Who would have thought of Ralph and Carter Stanley recording Hank Ballard's Finger Poppin' Time. Bill do you know the back story of this recording? I'm trying to figure out how two artists steeped in bluegrass would come to record this. On Saturday I was going to show how Ralph Stanley could interpret Lou Reed. Here is a recording of Ralph performing White Light White Heat from the series Lawless.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 13:42:37 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Yesterday, like Kierkegaard, I was looking for a truth I’m willing to live or for and to die for. I ended up in Brussels. On the Grand-Place I saw Rick sing his heart out on It Makes No Difference, but nobody noticed. Not even Jean-Claude Juncker and his 15 Sherpa’s listened, although Juncker stopped for a second to give me a kiss.

Götz George died, without Schimanski Duisburg will never be the same. Thank you Schimmy, RIP.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 04:49:47 CEST 2016 from (68.196.243.25)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Ain't no band in heaven, it's an orchestra

Sir Mack Rice died yesterday.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 03:50:25 CEST 2016 from (68.196.243.25)

Posted by:

Jeff

Scotty Moore done died.


Entered at Wed Jun 29 01:12:16 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Bill, thanks.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 22:12:54 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: back-to-back versions of Stanleys' Finger Poppin' Time - undubbed and dubbed


Entered at Tue Jun 28 21:29:39 CEST 2016 from (24.114.67.118)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: RIP Bernie Worrell; RIP Ralph Stanley

My favourite Bernie Worrell work is Funkadelic's "Amerca Eats Its Young". My favourite Ralph would be the Stanley Brothers' rendering of "Finger Poppin' Time" (on King, so perhaps produced by Henry Glover).


Entered at Tue Jun 28 20:55:11 CEST 2016 from (83.249.182.32)

Posted by:

Nord-vest koster

Location: Skåne nord-vest

Denne siden borde bli på norsk i stedet for i engelsk i fremtiden!


Entered at Tue Jun 28 10:03:24 CEST 2016 from (31.52.38.35)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

"Both those parties are political corpses propping each other up with rigor mortis" - Peter Hitchens on Labour and the Conservatives. Interview at link.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 09:24:16 CEST 2016 from (194.42.225.169)

Posted by:

Peter v

Defeat by Iceland reminds those Leave people that we do not rule the world, as they think. It also avoids England v France next, and that is better avoided this week.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 06:17:53 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.31)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bill M......Seal in Montreal

Bill M.....Thank you, my friend...... beautiful on so many levels.......and then read the comments below it and I understand why you and me in an increasing way have lost or are losing faith in humanity.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 05:30:01 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

A nice Youtube clip of Seal stepping in to sing with a Montreal street busker.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 01:44:25 CEST 2016 from (24.114.74.181)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: it may be apocryphal, but someone told me yesterday that this year's prize for the winner of the Iceland vs England game is a spot is a spot in the EU.


Entered at Tue Jun 28 01:12:13 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.31)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Iceland defeats England at European Cup.....

.........ok, The Queen IS stepping in to sort this one out !


Entered at Tue Jun 28 01:01:28 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dylan is a fucking genius, plain & simple. His fuckups are better than most musicians finest hour..thing is, no matter how circuitous the path, the band, and other great musicians, always find his lead, figure him out before it;s too late. and that is one of the signs of a master. People have to be able to play with you. Follow only takes you in. You gotta have the right people, and they have to be able to play with you. If you can't be played with you are only fucked up.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 23:05:35 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Da Da Da Da Da (repeat many times) Follow You Down

Thanks, Bill. I wouldn't have considered Louie Louie but yet... You Really Got Me, maybe. It was a weird start for Baby Let Me Follow You Down but it was effective.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 20:41:32 CEST 2016 from (24.114.72.236)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT; At TLW, when Dylan started playing what turned out to be "Let Me Follow You Down", I thought he was leading into "You've Really Got Me", but I can see you thinking it was going to be 'Louie Louie".


Entered at Mon Jun 27 19:08:08 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Big Four

1) The Procrastination .... Policies delayed are policies denied (tomorrow never comes).
2) The Scottish veto.
3) The Lammy: Voting out the non-binding referendum.
4) The second referendum.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 17:11:42 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Summertime Thing

I really enjoyed the summer songs on John D's Mixed Bag last week. When my kids were small I'd make mixed cd's for every holiday, change of season. I even made one for trains, horses, dogs. I always loved summer songs best. The kids were tough critics though. They'd argue that Dylan's Summer Days really belonged on the fall mix and The Stones Winter is really a summer song.

One of my favorite summer songs is Chuck Prophet's Summertime Thing. It's such a small town summer song with the greatest beat. It's one of those great songs like Garcia's Sugaree that you can just put on repeat for hours at a time.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 16:58:27 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Louie Louie Kignsmen on REO

For me, the best (and I only wish I still had it) was 'Louie Louie' (Kingsmen) on REO. Two minutes of rock and roll simple genius! After the seventh inning stretch here in Victoria in a local baseball field where the Victoria Harbourcats play ( we walk over there weekly to see a game in the best seats for about $40 for two), what gets played after 'Take Me Out To the Ballgame"? - you guessed it,..."Louie, Louie" and everyone starts to dance in their seats.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 15:22:18 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.96)

Posted by:

Bill M

Todd: coulda been, though I doubt it as "Hell's half-acre was a phrase the parental units employed throughout my childhood. A purposeful exaggeration as in "I had to look all over hell' half-acre to find the screwdriver."

Reo was a subsidiary of Quality Records. While the Ron Hawkins Quartet 45 came out on Quality in '58, the Hawks backed Dallas Harms on his Reo 45 released at prettymuch the same time.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 15:11:20 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Shame!

The selfishness of internal Tory politics determines the future of a country and its growth! Shame! And by the way, do those who vie for this power have no foresight of what their machinations might do if they succeed? A competent executive ponders all options (win or lose: what will it mean?) before embarking on a treacherous voyage? And why was it necessary for Mr. Cameron to chose to abandon ship on day one? Did he really want out because he abhorred his detractors within the party? Did he have enough of the dirty game he was part of?


Entered at Mon Jun 27 15:05:48 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 45s on REO

Thanks, John. I bought many 45s on REO in those early 60s years. Some of the big acts were on REO in those days.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 14:10:46 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Norbert's Walk to London

Any fellow fitness/exercise nuts here? Sorry-I try to be apolitical but long walks/runs are cool.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 13:33:41 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: JT & Wild Weekend

Realize you asked Bill; but since I'm up.......yes Wild Weekend was indeed on Reo; when I bought it at Wilson & Lee in Oshawa.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 12:17:11 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Nobert

Yes, maybe Nicola or Angela are needed now.
In spite of the Brexit I prefer this site to remain English, anyway we’ve got two years to work on that (somehow a German The Band site is gewöhnungsbedürftig).


Entered at Mon Jun 27 11:34:08 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: I walked from Liverpool to London

see the link


Entered at Mon Jun 27 09:55:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

The plot thickens. Alistair Campbell, Blair’s chief advisor is a devious manipulator, though now retired effectively. He has been interviewed a lot, because he knows how politicians work. He reckons Johnson & Gove had no expectation of winning the vote. Johnson didn’t decide whether he was Remain or Leave until after the first weekend of the campaign. Campbell reckons both were sure of a narrow victory for Remain, whereupon they would wade in with generous concession speeches asking for party unity, and thus unseat and replace Cameron. Apparently, Johnson had only written a concession speech (which is why he didn’t comment for three days) and was shocked. Then last night Ian Duncan-Shit (Leave) said that it might say £350 million a week extra for the NHS instead of Europe on the campaign posters, but of course they didn’t mean that literally. It was about Tory internal politics and it misfired.

Neither party has credible leaders, nor alternatives in the wings. As I said on Facebook yesterday, in 1603 James VI of Scotland was invited to come and rule England as James I. I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon would take the job of British PM!


Entered at Mon Jun 27 07:31:29 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: REAL! Rock & Roll

Thank you for that guys! A great thread. Back in those daze that song just shook my soul, a mean dirty sax.

How goezit Bill? Long time since we shook hands. Jerry, I'm going to send you an e mail with a picture. My first time away up the Gardner Canal, (almost to Kemano). Along the beach in one area is the most odd streaking in the rock, right along the beach. In all my travels, I've never seen the likes of it.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 06:58:52 CEST 2016 from (32.216.241.32)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Hell's Half Acre

I was looking at a map of the Niagra Falls area, and noticed that there's an area of rapids on the Niagra River on the US side called Hell's Half Acre. Wonder if this is one of the names that stuck in Robbie's head during his travels to resurface on his first solo album in 1987.

I visited to the Falls many years ago, but never noticed the name for that part of the river before.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 06:45:31 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: REO

I bought 'Wild Weekend' when it came out. Wasn't it on REO in Canada, Bill"


Entered at Mon Jun 27 05:38:13 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Rockin' C: "Wild Weekend" is a classic. The Rockin' Rebels were a Buffalo group who recorded the song in '59 or '60 for a local label. It had local success upon release, but didn't break nationally for another couple years, but which time the original group had broken up. In need of a follow-up but with no group to do one, the producers raided their own back catalogue for a similar-sounding song, "Rockin' Crickets", which they'd recorded in '59 with a Niagara Falls, Ontario group, (Big John Little and) the Hot Toddys. It had been a spotty hit back in '59 - doing well in at least Buffalo, Toronto and Seattle (!), where it was one of Jimi Hendrix's favourite records of the time, but now it was reissued as if it was a Rockin' Rebels record. By '63, the Hot Toddys were out of reach in Northern Quebec, so the producers back in Buffalo called in a third group to record enough tracks to complete a "Wild Weekend" LP, which also included the original "Wild Weekend" and the original "Rockin' Crickets. Band links?: Sandy Konikoff was doing jobbing gigs with the two brothers at the core of the original group when I first connected with him 15-20 years ago; Big John Little, who's still going strong at 86, knew Hawkins well back in the day; and the third group went on to back Richard Manuel and the Revols' manager Dave Mickie (later a Toronto DJ and '70s CHUM-FM colleague of John D) on 45.


Entered at Mon Jun 27 03:57:07 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Do you remember???????

The other night in the middle of the night as I towed on that towline......I started whistling a song. How do these things come into your mind?

The Rockin Rebels......"Wild Weekend" do y'all remember? Punch it in on youtube here......it's still great!


Entered at Mon Jun 27 01:44:57 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Wither.........thou goest?????

I actually got HOME!! ............and I got to see Ian trying to totally confuse me.........Where in fuck are we going Ian?? I just got back ...:-)


Entered at Mon Jun 27 00:30:16 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Whither?

Someone else has put us in the departure lounge.

We do not know where we're going, we do not when we're leaving, we do not know what route we will be taking, we do not know what it will be like when we get there and we don't even know if we'll recognise the place when we get there.

What's worse is that the people who put us in this departure lounge have no idea either.

And they don't even have a captain and crew.

And, if and when they've sorted all that out, they don't even know if Air Traffic Control will give them the route they want anyway.

But they're happy (delighted, even) because they always wanted to go and never thought they would but now we are - and, if we crash along the way, well, that's a price worth paying.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 23:50:11 CEST 2016 from (24.114.65.184)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thanks for the link to "US And Them". Very nice.

Speaking of sides, listening to Dylan and Hawks in Manchester this morning had me thinking that the boo-ers then are now Brexiters now.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 18:58:14 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Peter, let’s hope that 20% cut concerns the 7 series of the City Bankers, let the VW Golf boom in England after all and may this wishful thinking be tomorrow’s justice.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:59:39 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Tradition, tradition... tra...di...tion (musical notes not included)

Maybe tradition should not be the prevailing approach given the seriousness of this issue. If Royalty had stepped up when Neville Chamberlain did his thing, who knows what might have happened. The priority has to be the good of the country and The Queen could make a huge difference if she believes that EU involvement is the best course. Tradition is important but sometimes a bold step must be taken.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:54:53 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Traditionally, the Royals keep right out of it. I noticed the front page of The Sun (aka The Scum) is raving about the iniquity of a Stop Boris! campaign in the Tory party. So clearly Murdoch’s money is on Boris Johnson, as it was on Blair and on Cameron. It’s a fair bet then to avoid whoever The Sun supports!


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:53:50 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Truth is something for elitists" the candidate's supporter says

'Truth is something for elitists". Who cares about fact-checkers. The candidate doesn't. He says what he wants and then slightly alters his comments. He never says "I was wrong" or "I lied" or 'I apologize". Like so many before him, he realizes that if he says it on television or in the media, it will be heard and believed by many and people will go away with what was said and to hell with the fact-checkers. They and their conclusions don't matter. Woe is me!


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:48:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe
Web: My link

Subject: Doug Paisley, Garth & Maud Hudson

I knew Garth had done two albums with Doug Paisley, but while browsing through old Mojo cover discs, I saw for the first time that Garth & Maud feature with Doug Paisley on "Return To The Dark Side of The Moon" performing Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." It's on YouTube (linked above).

I think this is one we just missed!


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:47:47 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Business partner

Dan Rather was just on CNN: He said (paraphrased) -All you remember as a viewer is his face. You can fact-check all you want. All you remember is his face. And if you like any of what he says (and sometimes he says things you agree with even if you don't agree with everything) and you keep seeing his face, you go away with that. His point is that media has become a business partner rather than an adversary. That is dangerous. Adversarial reporting should be a much larger part of any journalistic effort, on TV or otherwise. Dan Rather said the this is missing from current TV and media journalism. He talks candidly about ratings. A voice from the wilderness. In the interest of our future, the media should listen to Dan Rather. He's been there.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 17:23:02 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Buckingham Palace

Has the Royal Family,(Buckingham Palace) from the Queen down, made any comment regarding the current issue in the UK? I understand that the Queen is the monarch and not the government, but she is (or should be) more than a figurehead, and if her country is truly in some peril or turmoil regarding the impending change over the next 2 years, I would think that Buckingham Palace would have some stake in this and say (or even do) something? What is known?


Entered at Sun Jun 26 15:17:59 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Europe

Indeed, Norbert. Germany has enough sense to know that at 20% of production, the UK is its single largest export market for its cars … we recognize quality. Apparently it’s also the biggest market for kitchen equipment. That’s why I can’t see BMW (e,g.) closing down UK production of the Mini. Angela Merkel has worked that one out, though the French seemingly haven’t, as they didn’t a few years ago when they set fire to trucks loaded with LIVE British lambs which they saw as competition to French farmers, in spite of both of us being in the EU. But I don’t think that’s the point. I think the issue is a vision of the future.

A couple of weeks ago, A.A. Gill said it very well in The Sunday Times, when he said he can travel anywhere in Europe, look at the paintings in art galleries and totally comprehend the images. We are culturally entwined in so many ways. Sure, it might be that we may work together in smaller units … England, Scotland, Catalonia. The issue is peaceful co-operation. We never bought into the euro. Wisely it turned out, but most of us still feel European. In my work, I was lucky enough to speak in many countries in Europe, work with people in my publisher’s local offices, get to know them. I never felt I was in a “foreign” environment.

People moan about all sorts of things about Europe, many of them trivial. Yes there’s dreadful bureaucracy, but a lot of the laws protect people’s health and working rights. Europe subsidizes farming, but as a French colleague persuaded me years ago, self-sufficiency in food production is the very best defence against the problems of the future. Of course, paying people to keep land idle while importing cheaper vegetables from Africa and Peruvian asparagus is lunacy, and the UK has continued to do that.

The EU will be much poorer without the UK, because the UK was the leading voice to reform the bureaucracy, stop overpaying lots of fat cats in Brussels. That’s why we need to be IN and co-operating with many like-minded Europeans to reform and improve. .


Entered at Sun Jun 26 14:29:15 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Subject: Brexit: The Opinion

England is the most modern country in Europe, but onsite London it’s still an open air museum. While Peter is testing his VOTED IN felt outside, it’s time for some reflection. Concerning the EU and Brexit let’s not overreact about the consequences. Like Bremain would have been a mild form of leaving, Brexit will be a mild form of staying. The British will still buy BMW’s, German beer, wooden shoes and Rammstein, ok a little bit more expensive a little more complicated. Their windy island will remain that heap of sand across Germany. Of course Brussels now threatens severe with heavy words, the Junckers are angry and offended, but they will rinse it away with lots of expensive wine. Their intention to pepper the others in who also consider a withdrawal, will, in the end, prove to be counterproductive. Brussels’s little men’s political need to punish the Brexiteers will lose out under pressure of their own business community in favor of economic importance and not to cut any deeper into their own skin.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 14:00:17 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

With both political parties in turmoil, we actually can't have an election. But people are still trying to find a way back here. The most helpful thing of all, would be for the French to tone down the belligerent statements. They will only feed the flames and assist the "leave" campaigners. Merkl is showing sensible restraint.

The trouble is, and I know UKIP people locally, is that we all thought they were harmless buffoons with a big chip on their shoulder and the EU was the scapegoat. They are still buffoons. Our mistake was in thinking them harmless. It is a dire warning about Trump.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 13:28:52 CEST 2016 from (109.66.18.5)

Posted by:

פורץ מנעולים בחולון

Location: israel
Web: My link

Subject: the band

Great Work i like your site!


Entered at Sun Jun 26 12:36:45 CEST 2016 from (83.249.176.101)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Dylan lines and EU (scroll)

In opposite to the common opinion here I was glad to hear the results in the UK. Yes, for the old people, country people, descent people, real people. "Oh me, oh my, love that Country Pie".

Just to take one silly EU thing: Our bank (we have been customers from the sixties) invited us to fill a form "to know us". Know us? After all these years? "Sorry, it is an EU thing". This paper was full of political questions. I said to Mrs. NorthWestCoaster: "I shall stop this paper to their bv#bd' ?+ififui#axx7)szgiid". She said: "In that case I'll step aside and yell: "WHO IS THAT MAN?"

...which, of course, is just another Dylan line, too.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 10:09:54 CEST 2016 from (125.239.241.225)

Posted by:

Rod

.. and I quite like Fallen Angels. Not as good as Shadows In The Night - but OK.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 10:07:06 CEST 2016 from (125.239.241.225)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: refererndums

Recently we had a referendum to change the flag. Basically the proposed new flag removed the Union Jack and replaced it with the silver fern with has become our unofficial symbol. The vote was lost (by the same margin as the Brexit vote) but alot of the opposition was from people who just didn't like the Government and would vote against anything they proposed. I suspect the same thing happened with Brexit - just a vote against the Goevernment and the ruling elite without a thought to the consequences. I've lost faith in referendums.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 03:21:11 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Fallen Angels

JT, I have to agree with you about Fallen Angels. Upon it's release I did slag the record here in the GB. I never give up on a Dylan record though and I have to admit it's grown on me with repeated listens. Also, going back as far as Love and Theft I can feel where these songs have influenced Dylan's songwriting,


Entered at Sun Jun 26 03:00:50 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Fallen Angels Dylan

For the first time, I listened to Dylan's 'Fallen Angels' in sequence and all the way through. In short, it is a lovely album with great nuanced singing and wonderful subtle musical accompaniment. I think one has to forget what Dylan is to oneself (the way we have perceived him and built him up in our own minds) and just listen to this album for its own sake. In that context, it is a true work of musicianship and I value it highly. I needed just this to settle the turmoil of the last few days. It hit the spot today.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 01:48:04 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Faux thespian

They might audition but the politician would fall far short of what is required to be a true thespian. Shakespeare would turn him down for sure. Not even a bit part. He is a faux pas.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 01:35:30 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Idle/Cleese

2nd row tickets to see Idle/Cleese in OCTOBER in Victoria. Saw Cleese alone a couple of years ago here. Great!


Entered at Sun Jun 26 00:04:06 CEST 2016 from (24.114.55.108)

Posted by:

Bill M

Standing by himself over there is David Cameron, determined to hang around until October in case anyone should desire his sage advice!

Al E: Perhaps it's best not to re-ask Robbie's question, given her answer: "Nowhere".

These appear to be Pythonesque times. Today's paper alone had two clever references to the Fool Monty: 1) a picture of the next New Yorker magazine cover, showing a dapper Cleese (and chums) silly-waking off a cliff, and 2) a "Wife of Brian" reference in the headline of an article about a forged "ancient" document mentioning Jesus's better half.


Entered at Sun Jun 26 00:00:35 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: A vile sight

TV News just now - Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, Jerry Hall together in Scotland. I thought they must have been auditioning for the three evil old hags in Macbeth.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 22:39:57 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.132)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Whilst Europe is in a fiz, Canadian /U.S. relation are at their best since The Band came here & the U.S got the best of Canada's best.

A self professed techno moron, I'm doing business with a Canadian technology company. I've spent several hours a day on the phone with them most days this past week. Never have i been more impressed with a company, or a customer support department.Customer service is mostly a thing of the past. I have customer service experience daily, with people in all kinds of industries, all over the world, and 90% or more of the time, the experience is awful.That goes for U.S. located customer service, as well as outsourced teams or customer serivce at foreign.

For now i don't want to go into more detail, but i'm really amazed how well the customer support team of this canadian firm listens, answers, and behaves. I'm able to get most of em laughing,and we have a good time.What surprised me was that none of the people i asked if they knew The Band, knew them till i sang the chorus of The Weight. Young Whippersnappers, in their 20s & 30s, but fuck, you canucks gotta teach your chirren better!


Entered at Sat Jun 25 20:56:10 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Communicating with The Queen

Is there in fact a way to make suggestions to The Queen. It sounds like a plausible idea if she believes this is a huge detriment to her country?


Entered at Sat Jun 25 20:45:09 CEST 2016 from (92.22.62.46)

Posted by:

Solomon

On Change.org more than 130,000 have signed a petition calling for Mayor of London Sadiq Khan to declare London independent from the UK and apply for EU membership. Donald Trump tweeted - Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games! He got the first part correct.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 20:45:09 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ian and Bobby Gregg and Kev and PV.

Ian - I apologise for being a tad facetious. Thing was I was trying to lighten the mood whilst also attempting [in vain it seems] to get everyone on here enthusing as manically as myself about RoseAnn's latest amazing EP.

The fact is your efforts at explaining the session fees etc were a tour de force and desrve only admiration for that effort and diligence.

Kev - I think your point is absolutely spot on about the utter ridiculousness and irresponsibility of a 50 + 1 % vote being sufficient in any civilized society to completely risk flipping everything on its head. I also endorse Pete's point about the abuse of the younger vote by self-serving wrinklies who care only for their own dwindling remaining time rather than that of their descendants.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 20:42:29 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Give her a call

Peter: Give the queen a call or write her an e-mail. The queen's legacy might be to save the EU and Britain would reign supreme as a major player. You might even get knighted, Sir Peter. Remember us when you pick up the OBE (Lucretia talking).


Entered at Sat Jun 25 20:30:56 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Queen does not have veto power … but you have given me an idea. She does have the power to dissolve parliament, thus triggering a general election. this was used in Australia via the Governor-General, I recall. That would be a potentially useful scenario.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 19:59:42 CEST 2016 from (72.143.234.238)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The tragedy of this vote is that the world - especially the stronger North American economies were just about ready to start gradually raising interest rates back to sensible levels - moving away from almost a decade of free money/zero interest rates that has had unhealthy consequences. Funds will now again flow to the safe haven of the U.S. dollar......interest rates will be kept low by central bankers the world over for prolonged periods and the very people that drove this vote - the older generation - will be the very people that will be most hurt by not earning any money on their bank deposits. Do 65 year olds really want to put big chunks of their cash into the stock market ? They will be forced to now.........Sad.

Worth noting that the EU has passed a bill aimed at this GB.....Smiley faces will now be not just mandatory but double regulation size on all posts deemed humorous in nature......rumbles of a new "leave" campaign have started.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 19:35:36 CEST 2016 from (32.216.241.32)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Peter V. Thanks for the history lesson re: George III. Glad to know that we're not viewed as the bad guys for our rebelliousness!

Kevin J, I agree with you that the vote ratio should be higher. At least 2/3 in these sorts of cases. What we too often get in a democracy is known as the tyranny of the majority. Thing is that people (not singling you out - it's all of us) only tend to worry about it when one is on the side where things didn't go the way one had hoped.

On the other hand, I thought that the voter turnout at 72% was generally quite good. There will always be a subset of the voting populace that doesn't pay attention, and doesn't show up to vote. Shame on them. Democracy requires participation.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 19:24:26 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Veto Power?

As for The Queen, does she have 'veto power"?


Entered at Sat Jun 25 19:22:58 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Apology never necessary, Ian

Ian: You never have to apologize for your scholarship. For me, what you do counts.

I think we all understood what you meant by 'we'. Not to make light of this decision, but Monty Pythonesque questions like 'what is the EU?'come to mind or maybe 'I'm here at the poll. What's this all about?' Oh dear!


Entered at Sat Jun 25 19:16:20 CEST 2016 from (64.12.116.70)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Hither or thither

The "we" in the question at the end of my last post was meant to refer to "we as a country", Al, rather than "we on the GB".

If Scotland gains independence within the EU, I have suggested to my wife, who is Scottish, that she seeks dual citizenship. This option would also likely be available to our children,all born in Scotland, and, more importantly, to our grandchildren, too. If any Brit here can make a similar claim, through Scottish, Irish or some other EU ancestry, then you may wish to consider doing likewise.

Going back a bit, I only intended to point out that, in my view, Levon did not play drums on Dylan's "Crawl Out" single, contrary to the claim in "A Musical History". It was only when this was doubted, that I explained the reasons I held that view. In doing so, I mentioned the payment to Bobby Gregg and it sort-of exploded from there on. Sorry if you found it a bit much.



Entered at Sat Jun 25 18:56:17 CEST 2016 from (166.216.157.15)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Ah Bartelby. Ah democracy.

I can't swear to its veracity but I read that the most popular questions and comments now on UK sites are:

- What is the EU?

- Why are we leaving the EU?

These questions are from after the referendum vote!

Did the queen weigh in? Seems that the oldest demo, those that voted in favor of Brexit, might still respect the monarchy?


Entered at Sat Jun 25 18:43:26 CEST 2016 from (72.143.234.238)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"50% plus one" is simply not a sufficient threshold for nation and life changing decisions. Simple as that......After the madness of living through allowing separatist forces in Quebec to call a 2nd referendum just 15 years after the first one........Canada was sensible enough to pass a law supported by the Supreme Court that made it clear that "50% plus one" was not enough to break up a country.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 18:35:51 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Fact-checking

There are many 'worst parts' to what is going on today both in the USA and in the UK. One of the worst is the media approach to the populist demagogue continued attention with seemingly very little balance challenging what they say. One hears things like 'We need to fact-check' etc and then again the demagogues speak to the people and are never 'called ' on what they say. The demagogue does not have to repeat too often... the media take very good care of repeating the untruths. Fact-checking. Its a joke!


Entered at Sat Jun 25 17:21:31 CEST 2016 from (104.2.102.31)

Posted by:

Zzzz

Location: Forney, TX

Anybody loving the recent Van Morrison release? Sweet Thing is amazing, love John Platania's work.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 17:06:11 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Buyer's remorse?

Where do we go from here? Here is an entry from the Associated Press:

"Tens of thousands want a do-over. So many users are signing a petition for a re-run of Britain's referendum on European Union membership that they've crashed the House of Commons website hosting the document. The petition passed the 200,000 mark on Friday evening, with a map of the voting indicating that most activity was in London - where most boroughs backed the "remain" camp in the referendum. The House of Commons said it had seen "high volumes of simultaneous users on a single petition, significantly higher than on any previous occasion." A second referendum isn't in the cards for now, but experts say it isn't out of the question if those who back a British exit begin suffering from buyer's remorse."

Let's see what democracy can be? Can all the young people who didn't vote and anyone who regrets his/her vote continue this barrage to make the will of the people known (along with all those 'remainers' who did vote?


Entered at Sat Jun 25 16:21:19 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Belgium navy saves 14 British Bremainers

“In The Canal, a hundred miles north of Dunkirk, more than 13 people narrowly escaped drowning on Saturday after their smugglers’ boat capsized.

As Belgium naval ships approached to rescue the stricken asylum-seekers, their boat – a repurposed trawler – tipped over, throwing those on deck into the water. Luckily all 14 alleged Bremainers managed to climb on top of the keel of the reversed boat.

The marines secured the flipped trawler with it’s hawser and towed their payload to Belgium. As the tug entered the Dunkirk harbour the British refugees on keel started singing “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.” Google research learned that the song is a 70th him over the alleged resurrection of the South of the USA by a group called The Band.

A crowd of 6 Germans provided the 14 ex Bremainers a warm welcome. Back on EU soil the 14 rescued and the 6 Germans went straight into the pub.“


Entered at Sat Jun 25 13:23:49 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Where Do We Go From Here?

Well Ian lad we could always consult Robbie since he was the first to ask the question

OR

We could re-examine a tad more forensically than last time the Bobby Gregg session fees

OR

We could all share in my unbounded enthusiasm for RoseAnn's incredible musical offerings!

I know which I'm drawn to. What about your goodself mate?

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jun 25 13:10:36 CEST 2016 from (64.12.116.70)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Whither? Or Wither?

Oh, what a mess!

A referendum intended to resolve differences within the Conservative and to marginalise UKIP seems to have done neither?

The conduct of both campaigns, pitting PROJECT FEAR against PROJECT WHOPPER, was just plain awful.

I think it was Bertrand Russell who said that fools and fanatics are always sure of themselves whereas thoughtful people are more nuanced - or something like that. The LEAVE campaign was more passionate and this penetrated parts of this country rarely energised politically.

Where will we go from here?


Entered at Sat Jun 25 10:23:06 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: On a happier note [or notes] - RoseAnn again

Leaving aside for a moment the unpalatable culmination of social alienation, deprivation and disintegration.

Another of RoseAnn's growing line of admirers from the footy site where I've been plugging her latest record has this to say about it:

Not for me. Or, at least, it shouldn't be. Yet it grows. And it grows.

Her voice is familiar from the past, evoking a New York before I'd discovered the place. Punk was on my doorstep, a bus ride to Eric's [Liverpool night club] but New York had a distance and a magic that always fascinated me. I wanted to drink in CBGB's and Rose Ann's voice transports me there or back to playing records in my bedroom in the Seventies when NY was still exotic. She's wired in to the New York of my imagination, of sleazy bars and busy strangers, hustling and getting by in the big city. There's always been a fascination for New York in Liverpool from the days of sea and the trips of our fathers. John Lennon was just one to live that fascination.

The band are right up there and the production is first class but what stands out this time are the voice and lyrics, I love the little tales imbued with honesty and grit, there's a humanity there that's endearing and repays repeated listens. If the cameos painted are more relevant to my daughter than me, there is also a universality that we can all relate to.

The first track, Airing of Grievances, contrasts an uplifting chourus, 'Your so nice, I hope you stay a while and I don't mess it up' to a song about coping with depression in a genuinely touching insight, the more it's played the more it grows but that happens with all 4 songs.

The second track, the Drinking Song, is hugely impressive, it has you straight in the bar, avoiding going back to the lonlieness of an empty flat and going too far with a stranger. One night stand regret mixed with acknowledgement that there's something better but not right now. Haunting and a special mention to the Viola player, who dips in and out so deftly

The third song originally had me all Mick and Keef but after a few plays stands up completely on it's own and Mick and Keef disapear as if by magic, I happen to love the solo towards the end, I hate perfection as much as I love the diction of Shane McGowan and come to think of it, the Pouges are in here with many others influences. I love the way the lyrics are free from confines of the music in places. Reminds me of how Elvis Costello constructs his words.

The last song was initially my favourite, RoseAnn fell in love, nah nah na na na... but there's always a but. Lament that's a good description Al E. I like the buts throughout all of the four tracks, despair at times but you always feel there is an upside, sad at times but never sorry, enjoying life without it being easy.

Both Rose Ann and the band deserve much wider exposure and do need a couple of plays to bring out the best of them. One of those artists that repay a few listens with new discoveries, I really do hope they get the break through because they are certainly more than talented enough.""""

Wowser!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Jun 25 10:02:04 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Listening to the radio today. One Conservative MP said the biggest mistake that Johnson and Gove could make is thinking this was a vote for them. As with Labour, the populist vote was “a plague on both your houses.” He added that some Conservative voters said they would never forgive Cameron for screwing this up, nor continue to vote Conservative.

I’ve always been critical of politicians per se, though I still argue that we have a Representative system and populist appeals to a mass single issue vote have no place in our democracy. The system was designed for debate and discussion within parliament. And a few politicians have emerged I admire … both Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) and Ruth Davidson (Conservative) were wise voices, and interestingly Nicola Sturgeon would get the vote of every woman I know in Southern England if she were standing here. Alan Johnson and Sadiq Khan for Labour both spoke sensibly in the final debates. And yes, Caroline Lucas (Green) also wrote sensibly in today’s Guardian, though no town has worse traffic management than green Brighton.

A tiny point … the upmarket Waitrose supermarket give you a free newspaper if you spend £5 weekdays, £10 weekends and have a loyalty card. The choice is Times, Telegraph, Mail (all Brexit) or Guardian. Yesterday, most unusually here in Tory Poole, the large pile of Guardians was down to a single copy, which I picked up. I’m not reading the Brexit press anymore.

Mrs V has just made two yellow felt name tags with “VOTED IN” on them.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 09:54:35 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M and JT

Jerry - I agree it's a valiant attempt to make sense of the spiralling madness.

Bill - I couldn't recall the text you cited from what I'd read. Eventually found it was in an entirely different piece about Boris Johnson.

Try the link above. The article is about a nation's social disintegration.

Even in places that voted to remain there have been areas blighted by deprivation where the vote was heavily to leave. And vice versa - other than those East Anglian exit/UKIP strongholds where the Polish immigration issue was so tinderbox.


Entered at Sat Jun 25 06:09:11 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

For what it's worth, I like the linked thought-piece from today's paper, "EU can’t go on forever without earning consent of the governed", which starts with "The EU must still make a case for itself, if it wants to keep the British decision from spreading across the continent."


Entered at Sat Jun 25 06:01:41 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Yes, some good points, but don't you find it rather windy-clever and at times addled? I'm like, What does this mean?: "If his name is on a shortlist of two put forward to Tory members, few doubt he would be the runaway winner."

Still, a critically important point with a transatlantic edge was made a few paragraphs earlier: "The deeper fear among [insert group name] now isn’t just of a recession. It’s about the rise of something new in [insert country] politics, unleashed when politicians with scant respect for truth meet desperate voters; and for the backlash to come, when it sinks in that [insert name or concept here] hasn’t ended immigration overnight or magically given depressed communities their futures back."


Entered at Sat Jun 25 01:58:45 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thanks for the article, Al

Great review article of the smouldering issues: To me, one of the most telling lines regarding the PM and his colleague was: "What they had not figured out was that a diffuse, scattershot popular anger had not yet decisively found a powerful enough outlet, but that the staging of a referendum and the cohering of the leave cause would deliver exactly that."


Entered at Sat Jun 25 01:04:06 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: A quite definitive article on a completely dishevelled UK

A superb piece that reveals how this vote has picked off the UK's scabs to reveal the pus beneath


Entered at Sat Jun 25 00:21:25 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rant

Populist demagogue(s) - we see it in the USA now and we are seeing some version of it from the right in UK. They lick their collective lips at the lack of common sense of people who think that if things are said often enough, they will become fact (we've had that many times over the years, most horribly during a terrifying period in the 30's and 40's.) Democracy and its vote comes at a price. Contrary to what our leaders say, the people are not always correct in their decisions. Sometimes, when the people have 'spoken', disaster occurs. The vote does not always 'get it right'. The old adage - 'Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.' might apply to the UK situation. The PM may have made an error in asking the question. Eventually, his government would have to face the fact that a significant number of his populace was unhappy with the EU. But was there not another approach than a referendum vote. Perhaps his government could have tweaked immigration and other issues to improve the issues of concern. Given what has happened over my lifetime, I don't have a lot of confidence in the populace 'democratic' vote. Germany in the 30's was only one example. Someone said on TV (CNN) that this is a struggle between globalism and nationalism and the latter won. Why can their not be a middle ground wherein the national state of the country can be improved when their are issues without abandoning a global approach. Logic and reason are not always paramount!


Entered at Sat Jun 25 00:00:32 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Dunno, Tod … something I wrote on this:

The War of Independence was a long time ago, and most British people accept that George III was the baddie and the revolutionaries the goodies. I don’t think that’s simply Hollywood film: I think most of us realize that our ancestors would have been most likely indentured servants or poor immigrants, and they would have eagerly joined the American cause if they’d been there in 1776. If they had been there, they might have been transported to the colonies for a crime like killing a rabbit on the local lord’s land.

The Declaration of Independence talks about George III ‘abolishing the free System of English Laws’ and ‘transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries’ because the framers, and many people in Britain, considered George III (Elector of Hanover) to be German, and the troops had large numbers of Hessian German-speaking mercenaries. This was necessary because British conscripts were considered highly likely to defect to the American side and hightail it westwards.

Similarly the War of 1812 doesn’t ruffle British feathers. The song The Battle of New Orleans was a major hit in Britain, albeit in the Lonnie Donegan version rather than Johnny Horton’s original. We were fine with the British running off in defeat, even if we surmised, rightly or wrongly, that most of the redcoats (as in the War of Independence) were Hessian mercenaries.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 23:40:23 CEST 2016 from (97.33.67.2)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT - New England - USA - North America - Earth

Subject: Island Status

I don't know the first thing about world currencies, but I've always thought it was interesting that the UK held onto the pound sterling rather than switching to the Euro. I'm sure the reasons are varied and complicated, but as an outsider, it always appeared to me that they were keeping one foot in the door and one foot out.

At the offices of one of my corporate clients here in the US, they have a routine of playing music over the PA system (a song or two) at 3:30 PM on Friday afternoons. Just a way to close out the week with something to get into weekend mindset. It's usually related to something topical (or increasingly) as a tribute to a recent death. For example they played 'Changes' on the Friday following Bowie's death, and 'Let's Go Crazy' on the Friday following the death of Prince.

Today at 3:30, they played a recording of 'God Save The Queen' followed by The Clash 'Should I Stay or Should I Go'. The owners of the company are from Norway, one of the chief financial dudes is English. and the CEO is from Austria, so needless to say, there is a fairly large International presence here for a Connecticut based company.

I don't know that I'm in a position to comment regarding Brexit, as my earliest ancestors fled England in 1633 to come to Connecticut. And I sometimes think there is lingering resentment towards America over the whole American War of Independence brouhaha and the War of 1812. So my opinion on the matter is probably negligible, but I have hope that a pragmatic solution will ultimately prevail and things will work out for the best for the UK as well as the region. But the ride will be bumpy in the short term.

It did occur to me, that this would be an opportune moment for the Rolling Stones to record an 'Exile on Main Street' Volume 2.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 22:28:22 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.187)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"...turnout in areas with a higher proportion of younger residents tended to be lower." - BBC....As I thought. Thank you, Peter. A fine link that was....but sad when one reflects that it was so unnecessary to even have had the vote.....and then there is Trump...his take: very good news because a falling pound will mean more people will be able to visit HIS UK properties....always about him. Pray for Hillary, folks.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 22:01:32 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

I lost my faith in the common sense of the people (and of most people) years ago, and now I've lost my faith in the morning after. It was a relatively new faith, founded on the rollercoaster results-reporting of the 2nd Quebec-separation referendum that Kevin J just mentioned. Most of us went to be totally sickened that the mostly-complete results reported by midnight had the separatists with a growing lead. But then we all got up to hear the news that the remaining votes were so solidly against separation that the unity of the country was saved by a wafer-thin margin.

While that referendum was built around a pretty straitforward in/out question, the earlier one revolved around a question like "Are you for or against the idea of Quebec becoming a sovereign nation in a to-be-negotiated special association with the rest of Canada?" It seems to me that this is the sort of thing that the UK has voted for, given the existence of Article 50 of the EU treaty that sets out the negotiations that must take place over a couple of years to snip and untangle things and re-tie and refashion the results. Presumably the UK government would negotiate for the UK, so couldn't it reset the table as it - together with the EU - wishes and then announce a second referendum to bless the reset table? All of which could mean that in three years not all that much will have changes, aside from details ...


Entered at Fri Jun 24 21:11:04 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: How different age groups voted

Kevin, scroll down on the link.

18-14 were 73% remain/

25-34 were 62% remain

35-44 were 52% remain

45-54 were 56% leave

55-64 were 57% leave

65 + were 60% leave

The aged and flatulent won the day. The vibrant, creative contributing places voted remain. The declining towns, the rural areas, the wealthy Brit First retirement areas voted leave. I'd say the "non-contributors" financially and creatively won the day. Looking at a Twitter feed just now, someone said "I feel more at home in Rome, Paris or Frankfurt than Sunderland." Hmm. Fair point.

Think of British food 40 years ago and look at it now.

Look back at the history of the Social Democrats, when Roy Jenkins, David Owen and Shirley Williams left the Labour Party BECAUSE IT WAS ANTI-EU, and being taken over by Trotskyists, like Mr Corbyn then, (and deeply corrupt in the North-East), and formed a new centre party. It was what we really need now. The sensible voices in Labour and Conservatives uniting with the remaining few Liberal Democrats to form a new centre party, pushing Gove, Johnson and the other right wing faux-UKIP lot to one side, and the feeble Corbyn to the other. The Social Democrats were a party I contributed to, and even joined. I'd do it again.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 20:38:59 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.187)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The CBC reported this morning that voter turnout was just 72%. I would be interested in what the turnout was for the 18-34 group.....my guess would be the older groups ( I'll refrain from using the term "old farts"....as I recall it sent a few here in to quite a tizzy some years back ) turned out in far greater numbers than the younger group......Passion is fine but too often 18-34 types don't answer the bell in meaningful constructive ways when it really counts....like taking the time to actually vote.

By way of comparison, the Canadian referendum of 1980 had a remarkable turnout of 94%. The 2nd separation referendum of 1995 ( yes, there was a 2nd one ! )had a 93.4% turnout. The good guys won both.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 19:06:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It's the demographic that upsets me. If you look at the BBC graphs, up to age 45 there is a majority for Remain - highest 18-24, still high 25-34, then 35-44 is still for Remain. When you get to the old farts, my generation, it goes the other way. It's THEIR future. The young should decide.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 17:52:55 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Keep Calm and Carry On.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 16:20:24 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

What was notable in Hampshire and Dorset that the fanatic houses and cars with "Leave" stickers had as many England flags as Britain flags. The way I feel about this country today is so sour, that I'm hoping Iceland bounce us out of the Euro 2016 finals, and that Northern Ireland (Remain) bounce out Wales (Leave).


Entered at Fri Jun 24 15:21:19 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.57)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Sorry. By 'all' I meant all four nations of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 15:18:46 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.57)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: surprised

I thought the result would be close, based on what I'd been reading, but that we would all vote remain.

The Scottish campaign was very different to that in England. All leaders - Labour, Conservative, SNP, Green and Liberal Democrat were united and clear in their commitment to remaining in the EU. It was more low key. Every area has voted to remain in the EU.

The Conservative campaign down South was poor, trying to scare the electorate rather than accentuating the positives of remaining. I cringed when I heard Osborne raise the prospect of an austerity budget.

The Labour leadership was slow to start, poor, lack lustre and lacked conviction.

Nicola Sturgeon has already mentioned a second referendum - 'highly likely'. She'll not have wanted to do this, preferring to wait until she was sure she can win and for it to happen in a period of stability.

Also important to the result was that we are still in a period where mistrust of politicians is great. And many people feel that they have had nothing from the EU.

A monumental day, resulting in the demise of a prime minister.

Still, we can look forward to Trump-Boris summits.

Trump is in Scotland today, opening the revamped Trump Turnberry course, where he has spent millions. He has just been on the TV, where he has welcomed the decision, relating it to his own position, peole of the UK have 'taken their country back'.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 15:16:37 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JT on JD

What you say doesn't surprise me one bit Jerry. Just look at how immediately receptive the guy has been to the quality of RoseAnn's music. As it is I've listened a few times now via the internet. Hugely impressed by the music selection but I've got to say just as much by the warm fireside ambience of how it's presented.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 14:56:27 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Liverpool - we're Scouse not English

Come and live with us up here Pete - our vote was 60% remain!!!!

I understand Joe Anderson has hire Wolfendan's to tow us all lock stock and barrel down to Brittany!

:-0)


Entered at Fri Jun 24 14:12:25 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

JQ: once out, it’s “out.”

How wrong you are NWC. Farage was talking about the little people versus the banks and big politics. I think he was quoting Huey Long.

There was a protest vote in deprived areas against the status quo. Down here in the South I think we just have a lot of old and nasty people. But it’s all a huge con. Do those people in the North East who voted “Leave” really think that a bunch of people far to the right of Cameron are going to help them? The “European red tape” that Johnson was going on about involves things like car safety, pollution controls, restaurant cleanliness, worker’s protection, minimum wage … those are the sort of things that this bunch of chancers will throw straight in the bin. And the North-East will have a border between them and Scotland, because it’s for sure what’ll happen. If only the weather were better!

Ruth Davidson was great … until last night when she declined to repeat her accurate comment that Boris Johnson was a liar. As she pointed out, Johnson said “60% of our laws came from the EU.” Out of 120 new laws in the last year, only 4 came from the EU.

In future I will write EUROPEAN when asked for my nationality. Look at the towns and places that voted REMAIN … London, Liverpool, All of Scotland, All of Northern Ireland, Bath, Bristol, Exeter, South Devon, Stroud, Brighton, Lewes, Oxford, Cambridge, Norwich, York.

I've never wanted to move from Poole / Bournemouth as much in my life.

September 3rd 1939.

June 23rd 2016.

Bad, bad days that will resound in history.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 13:04:53 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Any hope?

PV - How does this work? Can their be another vote at some point?


Entered at Fri Jun 24 12:19:05 CEST 2016 from (83.249.166.233)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Dylan lines to Peter V (EU) and Jeff A (dogs)

PETER V: Somewhere I can "gaze chimes of freedom flashing" here after all. This was the common ordinary people's victory over big banks in London City and multinational corporations. They simply said "ain't gonna work on Angie's farm no more" or "don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters".

JEFF A: A Dylan line for you, too: "If dogs run free, why not we. Abraham Lincoln said that".


Entered at Fri Jun 24 12:10:57 CEST 2016 from (5.70.194.148)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Little england

Subject: Adieu EU

Our family almost all work or worked in universities. Every leader of every British University agreed in public that there was no alternative to remaining in Europe. Some of them are quite old but they ain't that dumb. Dunc - save a space for us up there. Peter - I know you don't like Caroline Lucas but I think she's been terrific throughout the debate. As has Ruth Davidson in Scotland. The Remain campaign was weak but hard to explain the north east sinking us when they rely heavily on Nissan and the European Social Fund. Such a bad mistake. I want my Europe back.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 09:44:57 CEST 2016 from (125.239.241.225)

Posted by:

Rod

Our wine is pretty good and butter is now not so bad for you according to the scientists. I do remember spending a fortune on a bottle of NZ bubbly in Dundee.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 09:38:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rod, funny thing, just 5 minutes ago, Mrs V said "Well, at least we'll be getting more New Zealand lamb and butter again!" "And wine,' I muttered. Actually, they never stopped, but where New Zealand butter used to be the main one on sale, now French and Danish ones far exceed it. Yes, I remember then that New Zealand butter became standard on Japanese and Hong Kong airlines and in hotels, so new markets were found.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 09:10:29 CEST 2016 from (125.239.241.225)

Posted by:

Rod

I feel for you Peter. Democracy often doesn't work - or at least produce the best results for the bigger picture. I didn't expect this to happen. I'm worried for the (western) world at the moment with this happening and the possibility of Trump being the next US President.

The other side of the picture is that NZ took a big hit ecomically when Britain joined the EU. We adapted and survived but we are quite insignificant on a global scale. This will have wider ramifications but the British have been through worse and survived.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 08:28:17 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It’s the worst election result I can remember as an adult. The pound dives to its lowest against the dollar since 1985. British shares will plummet today. Obviously, with Scotland voting solidly remain, it’s also the end of the UK.

I just glanced over the lists … the three places I’d most like to move to … Bath, Lewes / Brighton and South Devon all voted strongly Remain.

But moving’s out of the question. House values will dive and in the uncertainty of the next two years, no one will be buying. On a personal level, I am due to take a pension I started in 1985 next month. Fortunately I can delay it, because as it’s stock market linked, I estimate it will lose 10% at least by the time it’s finally valued.

As the pollsters said all night, predictions were based on the educational levels in areas, and my goodness didn’t it match them. The dumber and older they were the more they voted Leave.

I’d say it’s worst of all for Labour. Their traditional heartlands followed Scotland which rejected Labour in the last election, and simply ignored the advice of virtually its entire leadership to vote Remain. The nastier wing of the Conservatives at least got their way along with the racist xenophobes in UKIP, so Conservative will swagger on, simply eradicating the reasonable and measured centrist voices. But the Labour leadership is truly fucked, being totally out of tune with its traditional voter base outside London. But we all are.

To borrow Roger’s simile and extend it … turkeys are birds who not only have tiny brains, but are earthbound and they have no concept of flying. They indeed just voted to bring Christmas forward.

It will sow deep divisions.

The man with the biggest smile on his face today is Vladimir Putin.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 07:27:23 CEST 2016 from (72.143.234.238)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: JQ's Thoughts......

......and yet representative democracy often doesn't work either as was illustrated in the United States this week when elected representatives voted against background checks for gun purchasers and even voted against preventing people on terrorist lists from buying guns...... all out of fear of the NRA......despite over 90% of the citizens of the USA favouring such restrictions......Truly mind blowing !

Every Canadian should pause and thank God for having had the truly great Pierre Elliot Trudeau leading our country in 1980 during the separation referendum......imagine if we had been led at the time by a limper like Joe Clark or David Cameron...... We would no longer have a country.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 06:23:45 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: WTF??

Looks like the Brits have chosen suicide. Between this and Trump I'm wondering if democracy is all it's cracked up to be; too many ignorant voters on both sides of the water, not fit to govern themselves.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 05:45:25 CEST 2016 from (174.1.58.122)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: John Donabie

John, were you ever able to find the Nashville recording of Blonde on Blonde you wanted so much?


Entered at Fri Jun 24 03:26:05 CEST 2016 from (24.114.66.84)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: I believe I moved loyalties from CKFH-Am to CHUM-Fm in mid '70, about the same time that John D made the same switch. I remember the other DJs you mentioned, and also Tim Thomas, Larry Green and Steve Harris. For me John was the Prophet (which meant it took months for me to come to terms with my admiration for "Neanderthal Man" by Hotlegs (proto 10CC) in the face of John's on-air dismissal of the thing). But Larry Green was very important to me too, despite his attempts to make us appreciate jazz. If nothing else, he introduced me to "The Stones I Throw" when he played John's copy one afternoon. While John would always be pushing the latest Band 45, and even the "Albert's Hall bootleg version of LARS, I don't believe I ever heard him play TSIT.


Entered at Fri Jun 24 02:02:20 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Singing praises to Donabie

Al and whoever else is a radiohead: You need to know that among the deans of FM radio in the 60's -80's, John Donabie reigned supreme. He was among a small group of superb communicators of that exciting time in music. With Peter Griffin, Rainer Schwartz, David Pritchard and Benjie Karsh (I am sure I forgot a few), John Donabie delivered the essence of a brilliant musical time which serves as the foundation of the music that we all love. John Donabie continues in that tradition. CIUT-FM shows its continued status (it was a force in the 60s and continues) as one of the foremost collegiate radio stations currently. John and CIUT can stand tall in any comparison. RoseAnn is in good company.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 23:55:17 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: JD's superb Mixed Bag Show Saturdays 2pm -4pm [7pm - 9pm UK time]

John - it's on at a nice time on this side of the pond and I'm pretty sure you'll be pulling in a fair few extra listeners from the Hudson valley and Liverpool areas from now on!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jun 23 20:29:30 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.187)

Posted by:

Kevin J

In a world gone mad, nice to see that the jury in the Led Zeppelin "Stairway To Heaven" got it right. Page and Plant were found not guilty today....silly that this ever even got to a trial, as I had stated here previously.

Hope that the vote goes the right way tonight as well.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 18:47:17 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al

I meant EP's.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 16:40:32 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

Your 5 hours ahead Al. That means to hear my show live, it would be between 7-9 pm for you. Thanks again Al. I agree about the mp's.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 14:48:16 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.46)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Ilka's Dog. Going down the road feeling bad.

Never feel bad for Bob!

Go catch a rabbit for breakfast instead. What the hell are you good for anyway?


Entered at Thu Jun 23 12:49:36 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: 'Don't Look Back' documentary

Last night I had heartburn after too many hot dogs and too much of beer after Sweden's loss against Belgium. I sat down in the front of the TV. All of the sudden, without a warning in the middle of the night I saw Dylan in 'Don't Look Back'. The sound in TV was turned to zero so I watched Dylan's eyes, mouth, bodylanguage, his companions, Mr. Grossman.

It was a disaster. I felt almost sorry for him. Who were these awful people? (Well, I knew their names, but...)


Entered at Thu Jun 23 06:28:08 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Ivan: I don't have any Mexican Band 45s, but I do have a Mexican big brown - with a multi-coloured cover, two songs missing and the titles translated into Spanish (though a poster here said they sounded like a mixture of Portuguese and Spanish). You can see it in the discography portion of this site by clicking this link.

I got it a the local Goodwill, along with a Mexican "Stage Fright" (which looks exactly like the Canadian / American ones - not that there was a wrap-around photo, but they often go missing) and a Mexican issue of the first Frost LP with a very different cover.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 01:26:19 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Jon Donabie

That's great news John.

John, I really do think you're going to be spoilt for choice with what to play especially with the two latest 4 track EP's OUT FROM UNDER and AIRING OF GRIEVANCES. The original album is fine too, of course, and 'Boxed Wine' and 'All Packed Up' are terrific tracks off that album but it's the two EP's which I'm convinced really reveal the quality that this slip of a girl and her band are capable of unleashing.

I honestly can't wait to hear it John. Is there any chance of you posting date/time/link on here beforehand so I/we can listen to it Live? I've heard your recorded shows but not live. I don't mind staying up late or getting up early!! I think we're probably 5 or 6 hours ahead of you.

Cheers mate.


Entered at Thu Jun 23 00:09:09 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

I just received all of her recordings; from Dad Bob. Looking forward on doing a feature in a few weeks.


Entered at Wed Jun 22 13:13:22 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn Fino - latest record - Airing of Grievances

There's been quite a few really glowing reviews of RoseAnn's new record on the footy website I go on following my eulogising about it.

The following one I particularly liked because it's from a long time musician from various semi prominent Liverpool bands of the past.

It's along the lines I was really hoping I'd see on here from similar folks steeped in music/the music industry.

Still I guess it's still early days and a lot of folks on here simply haven't quite got around to giving it a listen yet.

Just in case I've linked again RoseAnn's Bandcamp site where a free listen is available prior to purchasing umpteen really cheaply priced copies of this wonderful record for family and friends!

:-0)

Anyroad, here's Tim's nice little review

""""I've just had a real good listen this morning.

That first track is faintly reminiscent of something Gallagher and Lyle would write, I could even almost imagine them singing it. There's also a slightly Beatle'ish or maybe Hollies(ie Gouldman) chord progression going on in there, can't quite place it, and the driving drum beat is reminiscent of Aztec Camera-Somewhere in my Heart.

This should not in anyway be taken as a criticism, these comparisons if anything highlight that I rank it very highly indeed.

Second track, first listen I thought ooh The Band, melancholic, or perhaps a Robbie solo effort. Very nice, I really love the viola/violin on all of these, unobtrusive yet adding a poignancy to the backing. All superb..

Third track, Touch Me, I covered last time in the other thread. ie Sympathy with The Devil. On this listen I think the guitar solo towards the end could be re-done, it's just slightly stilted and a tad busy.

Fourth track, Really lovely. Many similarities/influences. DX-7 like bell tone keyboards - Gallagher and Lyle-Breakaway though not through a flanger, then Roberta Flack-First Time Ever I Saw Your Face or perhaps even the chorus from Mireille Mathieu-Les Bicyclettes De Belsize but slowed right down and shifted to a minor key.

But all of these similarities are inevitable and largely highly subjective and I'm not implying any conscious copying, it's just that us oldies perhaps have a more extensive knowledge and exposure of such older and forgotten stuff the younger generation are probably unaware of but that they have inadvertently assimilated.

The instrumentation and production is top notch quality and it's all very listenable stuff.

Then there's the lyrics. I really need to look them up, but from what I can hear, she seems to have some real skill there too, they seem well crafted stories of experiences, which is always a good thing.

Summary, really quite outstanding, she's a bit of a Star, or certainly should be.

Edit....just noticed this

Quote from: AlEdge on June 17, 2016, 09:58:56 PM BTW - that guitar on Touch Me is RoseAnn herself having her half minute in the sun - and you're right mate Keef Richards she ain't but half a dozen plays in you realise it fits the track mood perfectly - which I guess is sort of the object of the exercise!!

You're probably right Al. I was going to say earlier up above that it sounded rather like a guitarist who is comfortable playing rhythm but then has to stand in and play lead ( a bit like my own attempts at playing lead!!)""""


Entered at Wed Jun 22 12:12:43 CEST 2016 from (83.0.247.81)

Posted by:

Sander

Location: Moss
Web: My link

Subject: Kul side!

Kul side! Stå på!


Entered at Wed Jun 22 00:32:53 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.46)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ivan- your reference to the women of the house brought to mind the flick, The Quiet Man. John Wayne referred to Maureen O'Hara as Woman of the House. Next gal I live with I'll try that on for size, see how long i get away with t.


Entered at Tue Jun 21 23:40:26 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

free choice … best tracks … sorry!


Entered at Tue Jun 21 23:18:12 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My guess is that Mexican Capitol had a fee choice, and for me wisely chose the bet two tracks. Good coupling for a juke box. Though I spent many shillings playing both side of the original, We Can Talk is better juke box material than I Shall Be released.


Entered at Tue Jun 21 21:39:43 CEST 2016 from (71.180.26.116)

Posted by:

Ivan

Much to the dismay of the women of the house--which is everyone but me--I have an old jukebox filled mostly with R&B records. As a long-time fan of The Band, I've always wanted to have one of their 45s in the Wurlitzer, but somehow none of their Capitol 45 releases ever really struck me as jukebox material. Today on the popular auction site I stumbled across a Mexican (?!?) promo copy of The Weight with, curiously, my favorite Band tune on the flip: We Can Talk. It was a bit more than I wanted to pay, but the record is en route to me now. I'm curious as to who was buying their records in Mexico @1968/69, and what the reason would have been for bumping I Shall Be Released and making We Can Talk the Mexican B-side...?


Entered at Mon Jun 20 19:41:15 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Henry McCullough, Donovan

NorthWestCoaster - Donovan is from Scotland, while Henry was from Northern Ireland.

Interestingly, at the weekend, I read that Henry did session work on a Donovan album, but I don't know any more than this.


Entered at Mon Jun 20 16:00:13 CEST 2016 from (184.145.118.187)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Eric Clapton and friends having some fun....a rare clip of Clapton doing something a little different.....and some impressive friends as well.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 16:42:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: James Jamerson

Looking for something else and I saw it. Motown paid James Jamerson basic scale, which was $52.50 for a three hour session in the early 1960s. Was Bobby Gregg worth 40 times more?


Entered at Sun Jun 19 15:54:46 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the context, Manfred Mann was saying how much money session guys made, and he also marvelled that they could do it without travel expenses and time. He clearly thought £150 a week ($412) was very good money for Britain in 1968, and it was.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 13:46:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I saw Henry McCullogh a couple of times with Eire Apparent and with Paul McCartney, though he wasn't in Joe Cocker's band in the era when I saw them several times in Hull. RIP


Entered at Sun Jun 19 13:45:55 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Manfred Mann / Peter V

Please Peter V., what did MM really mean? - He lives a half of the year in this town. I am too scared to ask. I might make a fool of myself! (He is a tricky guy.)


Entered at Sun Jun 19 13:31:58 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Henry McCullough / Dunc

Sad to hear the news, Dunc.

On the lighter note: While driving a car in the night I keep myself awake by playing AIR GUITAR. Henry's playing in 'With A Little Help..' is my favourite. Another good one is the guitar solo in DONOVAN's 'Hurdy Gurdy Man'. Both two are from _Scotland_, right? (It makes "a double scotch" in my Finglish!) - At least the passangers will be awake when I play the famous G7 with no hands on the steering wheel.

Footnote: To those who are interested in linguistics, the language (American-English words with the Finnish ortogrphy) used by Finnish immgirants in Wisconsin and Minnesota was called for 'Finglish'.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 10:31:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: $9 over

Kevin, you’re right to be concerned about the $9. It was a lot of money in 1965, but on those earnings, it was the tip for the pizza delivery boy.

There must be a book on sessions somewhere. I can’t think Berry Gordy was paying James Jamerson $2000 a session (at 1965 prices) in Detroit, nor that Chess were shelling out that sort of money in Chicago. OK, $2000 a session. Three sessions bought a new Cadillac Deville convertible … $5639.

When I Googled, Billboard had stuff on the same 1965 page about Gold Star and Philles in LA being blacklisted by the union, because they were paying session guys in cash so that they could avoid their union contribution … which I assume, like the Screenwriters Guild, was a percentage of earnings. That would be the Wrecking Crew and Phil Spector.

Was Nashville cheaper than NYC? Was Muscle Shoals? It’s hard to think the latter could have produced so much and done so many sessions at those sort of prices. Was NYC an exception?

Without wanting to demean Mr Gregg’s contribution, you’d have to think a very good drummer was reasonably easy to source. If you think of Al Kooper’s organ part on Like A Rolling Stone, or James Jamerson’s bass guitar on any number of Motown singles, or the French horn player on Penny Lane or the sax player on Baker Street, you can see a session musician making a massive contribution to the record’s success. But the drums on Like A Rolling Stone? Perfect, of course, but you don’t think about them in the same way. I mean, here we were trying to guess whether it was Levon or Bobby Gregg on "Crawl Out" , without it being screamingly obvious. By The Weight, Levon is extremely distinctive, but I don't hear that unique quality on the Ronnie Hawkins' stuff.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 07:41:04 CEST 2016 from (24.114.77.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff.....10.....24.......and the chemicals were donated free of charge - one night only - to Todd......to use as an excuse or remedy.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 04:50:21 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

How many fingers you counting on with how many beers Kev?


Entered at Sun Jun 19 03:23:58 CEST 2016 from (24.114.77.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bobby Gregg has had more mentions over the last 3 days alone on The Band tribute page than Levon Helm, Garth Hudson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko and Robbie Robertson have combined over the last 6 months......let no one ever doubt the powers of Bob Dylan......more than a thousand men will go sleepless tonight worrying about the $9 !


Entered at Sun Jun 19 03:10:46 CEST 2016 from (97.33.67.252)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Concert Scene

Currently at a Nelly concert. Earlier in the show was Iggy Azelia, and prior to that, a DJ / EDM duo known as The Chainsmokers.
Feeling a little out of my element. Been a while since I've been to a show that didn't include some mandolin, or doghouse bass at some point.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 02:20:21 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Sessionmen on scale

That's a very good suggestion, Bill. There are several mentions on the documents of AFTRA (including at least one for Dylan) but none of AFM.

Now you mention it, I seem to recall seeing a copy of an AFM session document. As you say, details of session musicians who were AFM members would not need to be specified, if payments were covered by an AFM contract and made through the AFM. Local 802 is in my mind as the one for New York but I don't know why and this could be a false memory.


Entered at Sun Jun 19 01:02:14 CEST 2016 from (24.114.58.40)

Posted by:

Bill M

Could it be that fees paid to other session musicians weren't listed because they were making scale, which everyone would have known? Perhaps the Chambers' fees were listed because singers weren't in the union so didn't have to be paid scale.


Entered at Sat Jun 18 23:30:51 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Henry McCullough

Henry McCullough died this week. As well as playing with Paul McCartney, he'll be remembered for playing lead guitar on Joe Cocker's 'With A Little Help From My Friends' at Woodstock.

In a week of session musicians related discussions, he played with Frankie Miller, Dr Feelgood, Marianne Faithful and many others. RIP


Entered at Sat Jun 18 22:58:47 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Session fees - more notes

What is odd about these documents, as I mentioned earlier, is that the other session musicians are not mentioned.

Artist Contract card page 27 shows the session for 2 August 1965. For that session, Lester Chambers of The Chambers Brothers got an amount of $180. The reason for the payment is not entirely clear but seems to read "AFTRA gr. Xvoc" (the "X" letter is not legible and may be an over-typed crossing out). I presume that Lester handled the business end for the other brothers and the four got $180 (gross) for their overdubbing efforts on "Tombstone Blues", though that was on 3 August 1965, not 2 August. Again, a little odd.

Sam Lay played drums on the 2 August session but is not shown on the Artist Contract Card. However, I do know what he got paid because, long ago, another collector (sadly now passed on) sent me a photocopy of the cheque counterfoil from Columbia Records (stationery form number "CR-102C REV. 9/64") and that shows a gross of $63.00 (a basic amount of $61 and a miscellaneous $2) and a net of $50.98 (after deductions for New York Disability Tax, New York Withholding Tax, Social Security Tax and Federal Withholding tax).

Why is Sam Lay's payment not on the Artist Contract Card? But then, other than Dylan, why are none of the other musicians either? Particularly when payments to Dylan are noted on them?

Now to Angeline Butler: her contribution on background vocals to "If You Gotta Go" on 15 January 1965 is included in the liner notes and she is quoted. Page 25 of the Artist Contract card shows this: "Angeline Butler AFTRA sc. to non-roy. artist $65.00". "non-roy." is presumably non-royalty but why is this significant?

Immediately below her entry on the page, there is another: "Holiday Travel Inc. airtravel NY/Chi/ $45.89". Who was involved in the "Bringing It All Back Home" session to justify a flight back to Chicago from New York? (Or was it a return fare?)



Entered at Sat Jun 18 21:10:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Manfred Mann was so surprised three years later that a "guy he knew" could make £150 ($412) a week for session work in the UK. I did know that most Nashville session men were "triple scale".


Entered at Sat Jun 18 21:07:00 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Ian. It seems astonishing still that Bobby Gregg for a "session" (at three in a day) earned the same as Mickey Jones for a full week on the road. While Gregg was extremely good, there's no "signature sound" that seems to be worth so much more than normal.


Entered at Sat Jun 18 20:17:32 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: More on session fees back then

If you're getting bored with this stuff, read no further.

Although I hadn't printed anything up, part of Page 29 and all of Page 31 from the Artist Contract card file are also included in "Bootleg Series 12".

Page 29 shows the following: "Robt Gregg mus.sc. 1/25/66 $2034.25". According to Krogsgaard, this was another day of multiple three-hour sessions: 2.30 - 5.30 pm, then 7 - 10 pm, and finally, 11.30 pm - 2.30 am. It would seem that Bobby Gregg got around $700 per three-hour session.

Page 31 shows several entries for Charlie McCoy on a mammoth session in Nashville. There were three three-hour sessions and one four-hour session, lasting from 6 pm on 9 March 1966 to 7 am on 10 March, with no breaks noted by Krogsgaard. McCoy got two payments for the sessions on 9 March 1966 ($401.00 and $553.00) and two payments for the sessions on 10 March 1966 (namely $939.30 and $1375.50) – four payments, presumably one for each session. It would appear from this that, as each three hour session ended and the next began, McCoy got recompensed at a higher rate.


Entered at Sat Jun 18 18:37:09 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "Talent Payments" and Bob Dylan sessions

"Talent Payments" is the title of the column on the Artist Contract card from which I have been quoting. I have pages 23, 25, 27 and 28 to hand, now I'm home. Before I get into some of the detail, let me make a few general comments.

Although it is called a "Card", it looks like this document was not printed on card. I say this because, with a bit of image manipulation, it looks like it was a double-sided document and you can faintly see what is printed or typed on the other side - not clearly enough to read it but clearly enough to know it's there. The reverse side is upside down compared to the front side and, since there are holes punched in the top side (on the front) and the bottom side (on the reverse), it looks like these documents were Kept in a ring binder. Thus, you could flick through the pages to see the information and could remove the pages to type updates.

And there were updates. Page 25, for example, relates to the sessions on 14 and 15 January 1965(for 1965's "Bringing it All Back Home") but refers to tracks released in 1966, 1967, 1969 and 1972.

There is also evidence on this page that white oblong strips were stuck on the cards to cover earlier information and replace it with later information. F0r example, a white strip has been applied giving "Warner Bros. Mus., A Div. of Warner Bros...." as the music publisher, presumably covering a reference to Witmark.

It also looks as though released tracks had line put through the typed song title. I assume that this was to make the song titles stand out when updating but it does seem an odd way of doing it.

The Artist Contract Cards are not always reproduced in "Bootleg Series 12" in full but, in all I've "done" so far, the right hand column (the one headed "TALENT PAYMENTS") is clear. This column has two sub-columns ("TO" and "AMOUNT") but the typists seem to have ignored this and treated it as one single column.

Very few of the session musicians are included in this "TALENT PAYMENTS" column, so it is possible that payment for, dare I say it, "run-of-the-mill" session musicians was processed in a different way.

OK, now to the relevant detail. On this Page 25 of the Artist Contract Card, there is an entry that reads:

"Bob Gregg mus. 1/15/65 $745.97"

The session on 15 January 1965 was a standard three-hour session (2.30 to 5.30 pm), according to Michael Krogsgaard. If Bobby Gregg got $745.97 for a three-hour session in January, then $2009.73" does sound high but not so way off for the session on 30 November 1965, which ran from "2.30 - 5.30 pm and from 7 pm till finished" according Krogsgaard.



Entered at Sat Jun 18 18:17:00 CEST 2016 from (24.114.77.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

An assortment of the world's greatest minds met recently to review and attempt to solve enduring world mysteries.......led by Garry Kasparov, over a 2 week period they managed to figure out....The Voynich manuscript.....the Phaist disc......the Shugbirough inscription.......the Bermuda Triangle........the identity of Jack the Ripper........Despite this success, the group leaders declared the conference a disappointment as they broke up having drawn a complete blank on the Bobby Gregg 1965 session fee.


Entered at Sat Jun 18 17:24:12 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Wild speculation, Bobby Gregg

I can only hazard a guess, but maybe the $2009 “session fee” included payment for playing the West Coast December 1965 gigs. Possibly an easy way to pay in advance, perhaps a bit of creative accounting shifting tour costs onto recording costs.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 23:22:22 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I wondered the same, Ian, except that Dylan was solid future work, so best not held over a barrel. Even $209 seems very good indeed n 1965 terms.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 23:16:34 CEST 2016 from (84.215.141.93)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

And he knew the lyrics to UOCC by the age of three...with a Southern twang. Bonnaroo Festival, Manchester, TN, June 2016.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 21:53:48 CEST 2016 from (62.232.236.116)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: $2009

I can't answer your question directly, Peter, partly because I only have access to one Artist Contract Card (I'm still away from home) and partly because I cannot interpret all the information on the cards.

From memory, Gregg's figure was higher than for others, though not all musicians seem to feature on these documents and some payments were made to Dyan himself - neither of which I can readily explain.

I wonder if one of the factors relating to Gregg's payment is that Levon jumped ship suddenly and unexpectedly after the 28 November concert. With the 30 November session likely booked some time in advance and with a run of concerts on the West Coast imminent, Dylan was in a very tight spot indeed, so maybe he had to pay over the odds to get Gregg at all at such short notice.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 21:53:54 CEST 2016 from (24.114.57.43)

Posted by:

Bill M

An interview with Ringo Starr in the paper the other day has him saying that the ensemble+guests side of the Last Waltz inspired him to try the All-Star revue. Seems to. Have worked out well.

BTW, I watched the TLW film this past weekend - the first time on the big screen since opening day in '78. (in between I've seen it twice on small screens - VHS in Mecca, DVD in Toronto.) Truly magnicicent colour and film work. And no inferior performances. None of that is what I thought before now. Muddy Waters is still tops though.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 18:21:14 CEST 2016 from (184.66.227.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Floor of Concord Tavern in that photo?

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but the floor in that photo of Levon and the Hawks looks suspiciously like the floor of the old Concord Tavern. Can anyone confirm?


Entered at Fri Jun 17 17:52:11 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: July 18/19

Pat B - I'm coming in for a Cub's game in July and will likely be stationed at the pub if you're about then. You're missed here these days, don't abandon us por favor -


Entered at Fri Jun 17 17:38:47 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Liza Jane

Hi Pat - Is it Richard on the 5th verse? It goes pretty muddy, maybe JRR?


Entered at Fri Jun 17 17:09:04 CEST 2016 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

JQ, the date is obviously wrong but what a great artifact.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 16:34:48 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

My condolences to U.K. posters here re the senseless slaying of Jo Cox.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 11:34:53 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window

I was googling Billboard to find out more. The 2 October 1965 issue spotlights Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window by The Vacels saying "The group has a hot contender with this strong Dylan material".That was 3 days before the first Hawks session. Linked to YouTube.

The main Billboard whole page advert with that Fender bass guitar photo is 25 December 1965 issue. UK magazines now use a Remove from Shelf date not a Published on date.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 10:58:52 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A little bit more

In case you didn't scroll all the way, Maurice Bacon of Love Affair says at the very end:

“We didn’t play on any of the singles. We’d only have three hours so the easiest, most efficient way was for Keith Mansfield to score the whole thing, bring in session guys like Clem Cattini on drums and Herbie Flowers on bass and do it in two takes. Mansfield was only involved with the singles, when we used orchestras. Otherwise, it was John Goodison. We were allowed to play on the B-sides and the album and write some tracks for the LP.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 10:46:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: $2009

Ian, what do the other session notes suggest about the level of fee being paid on a Dylan session then?

On session musicians, have a look at the attached Musicians Union article on the controversy surrounding Everlasting Love by Love Affair in 1968. There was a storm when it turned out that none of the band played on it. Why it was a surprise, I don’t know. It was well known that only McGuinn appeared on Mr Tambourine Man’s backing. It was common practice. Anyway, in 1968 the revelation was shock to the tabloid press.

The article has a lot on session work in Britain in 1968. Alan Parker, who played guitar on the single, along with Clem Cattini on drums, says he was paid a standard £9 for the session ($25 then), with a 10 shilling (50p) bonus if it was a hit.

Manfred Mann said he knew of one session musician (as if it was amazing) who earned £150 ($420) a week. Research I did on Woolworth’s Embassy covers label found a guy who sang three lead vocals per week and earned £40 a week from it ($112). £40 a week, or £2000 a year is around what a suburban / small town branch manager in a bank earned. So decent professional income. At the same time you could book The Who or The Kinks for a college dance for around £400, or $1100.

So it seems incredible that even given New York and a great reputation, that Bobby Gregg could have been paid $2009 for a session in 1965, however long it was. Comparing Mickey Jones $750 per week, this was a guy who played on one of the best selling albums of the early 60s, Trini Lopez Live At PJs as well as on those live Johnny Rivers albums.

I know from past conversations that session musicians were a special breed. The Musician Union article points out that session guys were used, not because the band concerned couldn’t play their instruments,, but because they worked faster. I was told that the session guy qualification was a popular song that they’ve never tried to play … in the 70s, Tie A Yellow Ribbon was the example given. The top session guys could sit and play it without having to work it out. A session musician once told me that there were famous, brilliant, stellar players who wouldn’t survive a day in a session environment, because they had different skills, and even 10 minutes sussing it out was too slow. This is why the same names appear again and again. Clem Cattini (ex-Tornados) probably played drums on more hit singles than any other session guy. John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page did hundreds of sessions. The joke around Record Fairs, where Mr Page is often seen, is that he is seeking out every record he ever played on. It's an innate skill … Messrs Page and Jones started very young. Alan Parker was playing guitar on many sessions at 23.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 09:58:43 CEST 2016 from (210.86.77.146)

Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: Rick wearng a scarf

that's a cracking version of Carnival.


Entered at Fri Jun 17 02:23:54 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Billie Crystal Eulogy for Muhammad Ali

I actually got a day at home. This spring I have worked more than I ever have in my life. Susan says, I think you are going out in a blaze of glory. I think you are going to sell your business this year......I hope she is right.

Every one should take a few minutes to watch Billie Crystal's eulogy. A Jewish man giving this eulogy for his long time friend a black Muslim man. If every one could thinl like Billie and express themselves in this way.......what a wonderful world this could be.

To me two of the greatest men we could have the pleasure of watching. Both of them complete humanitarians. This eulogy is wonderful in every way, with humility, humor, sadness and complete respect.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 23:25:07 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

2025, a German mechanic and an English miner meet at a funeral.
The miner: I can’t make it alone ....
The mechanic: About 1940, that was not so good.
The miner: Why are you holding my hand?
The mechanic: Why are you holding mine?


Entered at Thu Jun 16 22:46:07 CEST 2016 from (62.232.236.116)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Crawl Out single release date

The release card (if that's what it's called) for the "Crawl Out" single has the shipping date typed as 6 Deceember 1965 but this is crossed out and replaced with a hand-written 8 December 1965. This would suggest a release date of Tuesday, 14 December 1965. However, quite a few people have said that they couldn't actually buy it until January 1966. My guess is that, in the run-up to the holiday season, distribution was a bit slower than normal.

Just out of interest, that release card (?) has an extra section typed on it. This section is headed "NOT FOR LABEL" (presumably a typing error for "NOTE FOR LABEL"). The section refers to the way the song title should be presented and reads as follows:

"The line under the word YOU & the question mark at the end (?) should be printed in BOLD TYPE !!!!! and should stand out from the other print."

So now you know. The words in CAPS are also underlined but I can't mange that on an I-Pad.

The "REL. NO." (release week) is typed on as "1201 IMMED.", which indicates the first week in December, Immediate(ly). They definitely planned to have the single out in the week following the recording session. This information was typed on the document and was not amended when the amended the shipping date in a red pen.

The 5 October and the 30 November sessions are both noted as Singles sessions, not album sessions. This, with an accelerated release date, probably indicates that Columbia Records execs were anxious to get a new Dylan single out and thus that Dylan was under some pressure to produce something.

A few days later, at the KQED press conference in San Francisco, Dylan said he had just recorded "Freeze Out" as a single but he didn't want it split in two over the two sides of a single. "Crawl Out" was the substitute.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 22:39:43 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Levon/Hawks - Liza Jane

This take is new to me. I think. It's live, labeled from 1966 in Oklahoma City -


Entered at Thu Jun 16 22:18:45 CEST 2016 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: The Weight (Jim Weider, Randy Ciarlante)

Here's a killer version of Cripple Creek by The Weight! They'll be playing NY's City Winery on July 28.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 22:17:04 CEST 2016 from (62.232.236.116)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Crawl Out etc

First, I dashed off the last posting quickly before heading elsewhere, so apologies for some typos. I am now using my wife's I-pad, so there will probably be a few more here.

The various documents to which I referred are all in one or more of the various editions of "Bootleg Series 12". Some are small, some are repeated and all are cropped. I've scanned quite a few of them and, with a bit of image manipulation, got them to a legible state. There are several pages of Dylan's Artist Contract Card(s) in the set. Page 28 covers the two sessions we're discussing and it has a number of typing errors, so there may have been an extra "0" in the stated expenses for Bobby Gregg but"$2009.73" is what it reads. I have the latest ISIS magazine with me and that document is reproduced in it, so I have been able to check it now.

I don't have the other pages of the Artist Contract Card with me and the bit about Joe Souter is on another page but the relevant snippet is also in the magazine and it clearly refers to his expenses for the 30 November session. As I said, Michael Krogsgaard said that he was there earlier in the session when "Freeze Out' ("Visions") was being recorded. When the song was redone in Nashville in 1966, he played the bass, so perhaps he played bass on "Freeze Out" when it was recorded on 30 November 1965.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 18:58:31 CEST 2016 from (100.34.147.66)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Drummer on Crawl

Unfortunately all I have for the 18 disc set is a copy of the musician's listing, and not the "artists card." I find the $2,000 a session for Bobby Gregg to be highly suspicious, as suspicious as the photo of Dylan's passport or whatever it was on Biograph with the wrong birth date. I wish I had something to remember as to when "Crawl" finally appeared since I was waiting for it having heard a radio broadcast of the earlier version of the songs mistakenly released and announced as "Positively 4th Street," proof back then of Columbia's propensity to screw up.

I also strongly doubt Joe South was at the session.

As to mixing the single on November 30th, that wouldn't be a big deal.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 17:58:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ethical dilemma

This one's for Al Edge, though other sports fans may join in. I recorded England v Wales this afternoon, so my grandkids could watch it with me this evening. Of course I also watched it live. Here's the dilemma … is it permissible to boost nmy football cred by making suggestions before the event? e.g. "I can see the problem here. What they need to do is put Vardy and Sturridge on at half time. That's what I'd do if I were the manager."


Entered at Thu Jun 16 14:55:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd say Bobby Gregg on the single. Though I'm sure either Bobby Gregg or Levon could play anything they wanted to, there is no distinctive "Levon sound" on the single. All The Hawks strove to maintain the "band of brothers together through thick and thin" story. It was years before most people knew Levon was out for a long period.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 13:27:19 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Gregg

Link to Bobby gregg & Friends "The Jam" 1962, with Roy Buchanan on guitar. But still, $2000 a session? I Googled and as well as Dylan and Simon & Garfunkel, he drummed on "Church of Anthrax" by Terry Riley and John Cale.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 13:26:09 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "Crawl Out" singel - addendum

A couple of additional points:

1. Date of session:

The Artist Job Sheet shows both "Freeze out" and "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?" a s being recorded on 30 November 1965. In my view, the contemporary documentation overwhelmingly indicates that the "Crawl Out" single was indeed recorded on 30 November 1965. As I said earlier, I do not actually know but, if there are any contra-indicators, I'd be interested to learn of them.

2. Who were the musicians?:

If the "Crawl Out" single was recorded on 30 November 1965, then the drummer was Bobby Gregg, not Levon Helm. That much is clear but there are other, more problematical aspects. Michael Krogsgaard, an early chronicler of Dylan's sessions who had access to the Columbia Records archive, noted that, in addition to the other Hawks, Al Kooper was there throughout both sessions (2.30 - 5.30 pm and 7 pm onwards), that guitarist Joseph Souter was there for the earlier part of the session (2.30 - 7.30 pm) and that Paul Griffin was there from 5.00 - 10.30 pm). The liner notes for "The Cutting Edge" say either Richard Manuel or Paul Griffin on piano for "Crawl Out". "Joe Souter" (a.k.a. Joe South) received $115.47 expenses for the 30 November 1965 session (according to Dylan's Artist Contract document) but, since he was there for the earlier part and "Crawl Out" was recorded towards the end, he is unlikely to have been involved on the single. I have seen no documentation relating to Al Kooper's attendance but there were two organists at the session.

Perhaps those of you with sharper ears than mine might care to comment on which of the Hawks was actually on Dylan's "Cawl Out " single and which not.



Entered at Thu Jun 16 13:18:00 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Money

Bobby Gregg's session fee was $2009? Did you add a zero, Ian? It's a great deal of money in 1965 terms. In 1965 it was $2.80 to a pound (I Googled). So his fee was £714. In early 1966, working in an art museum, I received £10.50 a week, the full adult rate. So £540 a year. So $714 was a fortune.

Mickey Jones said he was paid $750 a week for the 1966 tour, which was more than The Hawks got each as he got free hotels, and they had to pay. So £267 a week, or the same as six months as a museum attendant. Really good money.

If Bobby Gregg cost $2000 for a session, then it's no wonder he didn't do many gigs. Even Dylan couldn't afford his hire. If that was the sort of rate, Robbie & Al Kooper would already have been richer than any of the other Hawks by the end of the Blonde on Blonde sessions. But I can't think they got paid that - there's no way they'd have economised on sharing a budget room (as Al Kooper described it) if they were being paid that sort of money.


Entered at Thu Jun 16 10:22:51 CEST 2016 from (114.75.193.188)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Just started listening to the expanded version of It's Too Late to Stop Now. It is fantastic.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 23:28:50 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Just one hour ago, Rudi Hoffreiter (ZDF weatherman), made a prediction: In the year 2025 Bob Geldof will organize the first Brexit-Exit concert.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 22:31:35 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian Rolling Stone Take 11 Alternate

Thanks Ian. No matter how many times I listen to the 18 disc package, I seem to hear new things all the time. The drumming at times almost sounds "march like" in a few spots. Rat-A-Tat-Tat like. Thank you. Going to play this version soon on my radio show. Ending is interesting as well. Thanks again Ian.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 20:41:15 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Tom Jones

Hi JT - That last round, a trilogy, from TJ was top notch to my taste. It's different than his typical persona but still Tom J, albeit stripped down a bit, and less urban. The gospel one is my fave and on Long Lost Suitcase he does a cover of Gillian Welch's brilliant Elvis Presley Blues! I believe all 3 were produced by Ethan Johns, Glyn's son. He's got his own thing going now in Americana and Blues music.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 19:22:04 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "The Cutting Edge" session information

While I agree, PSB, that the contemporary session and contract documentation was far from perfect, not helped by the fact that Bob Johnston was less assiduous in slating takes than Tom Wilson, those who assert that the "Crawl Out" single was actually recorded on 5 October and only mixed on 30 November would have to explain a lot to convince me.

The Tape Identification Data sheets note the contents of each reel of tape.

The relevant sheet for the 5 October 1965 session shows that only two takes of "Crawl Out Your Window" were attempted, both incomplete. It appears on the sheet after "Medicine Sunday and before "I Don't Want To Be Your Partner". Admittedly "Jet Pilot" (which came after "Medicine Sunday" and before "Crawl Out") is not listed on the sheet but there is a note at the bottom that reads, "Jet Pilot 2nd leader on tape UNANNOUNCED".

As mentioned above, Johnston did not always slate (announce) takes. Thus, in respect of "Crawl Out", there is a note that reads, "2 NOT SLATED" and, against "I Don't Want To Be Your Partner", another note reads "3 slated twice". I should add that, for the latter song, there are two takes marked "6" on the sheet. In a way, it is hardly surprising that the session information on "The Cutting Edge" is "not necessarily accurate".

Let me now turn to the Tape Identification Data sheets for the 30 November 1965 session. The first sheet (for the first reel used that day) only has the 7 takes at "Freeze Out" (aka "Visions of Johanna"). The second sheet for the next reel opens with another 7 takes of "Freeze Out" (at least one of which was not salted - the writing is faint) followed by 10 takes of "Crawl Out". The details of the "Crawl Out" takes are much clearer than those for "Freeze Out" (as though written in pen rather than pencil).

Importantly, the "CO" number for "Crawl Out" (CO 88582) follows immediately on from the "CO" number for "Freeze Out" (CO 88581). When recorded on 5 October 1965, "Crawl Out" had a different, earlier, "CO" number (namely CO 87184). Had Dylan and Johnston merely worked on a take recorded on 5 October, they would almost certainly have used the earlier CO number because that would have been the number announced on the tape they used.

If, as some have claimed, the 30 November session was used to mix a take of "Crawl Out" recorded on 5 October, why would the session sheet for 30 November show all 10 takes? They would simply have physically cut the selected take from the 5 October reel and put that take on a work reel. They would not have taken all 10 takes (including the 7 false starts) from the 5 October reel.

In addition to this, Dylan's Artist Contract Card (page 28, to be precise) shows that the single was recorded on 30 November 1965 (in fact, it is typed incorrectly as 20 November 1965 but that is obviously in error). The same document also shows (1) the "Crawl Out" single given as "CO 88581", (2) "Robt. Gregg" mus. sc. 11/30/65 $2009.73" as his fee for the session and (3) has the "Crawl Out" recorded on 5 October listed separately as "CO 87184" with no reference to any song from that session becoming a release.

There is another document, untitled but it seems to be a release card. It shows the details of the "Crawl Out" single, with "11-30-65 NYC" as the recording information, "CO 88582" as the CO number and "98616" as the Job Number, the very number on the Tape Identification Data sheets for the session on 30 November (the Job Number for the 5 October 1965 session was 98362).

In conclusion, I wasn't there, so I cannot claim to to know for sure, but the contemporary documents certainly show that the "Crawl Out" single was recorded on 30 November 1965 and therefor e with Bobby Gregg on drums, not Levon Helm.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 17:32:57 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Tom Jones

Tom Jones; what a great performance of a great song! Thank you, Sadavid.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 17:24:16 CEST 2016 from (100.34.147.66)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Drummer on Crawl

More and more, I'm leaning to October 5th being the recording date which would make Levon the drummer. The record keeping at Columbia Records concerning Bob Dylan albums and who played on them, not to mention when they were actually released leaves much to be desired. I was told by someone totally in a position to know that the session info on The Cutting Edge was not necessarily accurate.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 16:37:45 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Drummer on "Like A Rolling Stone"

John, the short answer is Bobby Gregg.

"Rolling Stone" was recorded over two days (!5 and 16 June 1965) and Bobby Gregg was the drummer on both days.

In respect of Take 11, Roger Ford wrote, in his previous article (the one that covered the "Highway 61 Revisited" sessions), that "the music sounds lumpy compared with the master take" (the master take being Take 4, the one that produced the single and the opening track of the album).

In a footnote to his comments on Take 11, Roger said that the master take of "Rolling Stone" (Take 4) on "The Cutting Edge" was mixed to sound like the single/album track, on which the drums were made "less obtrusive". In contrast, the publisher's demo of the song, which used the same take (that is, Take 4) had the drums louder than the single/album track.

So, on the takes that follow Take 4 on "The Cutting Edge", the drums sound louder than on the Take with which we are so familiar.

I don't know if this helps.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 15:17:29 CEST 2016 from (131.137.34.214)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: When We Were Very Young

Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Taylor, Reeves . . . and Jones.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 14:53:40 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: More retro drinks

Babycham used to be called "champagne perry" but is now "sparkling perry." So it was pear. The apple equivalent was Pomagne, sold in full size bottles. We once won a case of ten Pomagne in a school raffle. We drank one, and offered to contribute a case of nine to the next raffle. They declined it. Apparently we had been the third winner. Everyone tried one bottle and put it back in the raffle.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 14:49:46 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Whisky Mac

One I'd forgotten, Dunc. Is it known in North America? It's whisky with flat ginger wine (NOT fizzy ginger ale). It was usually Stones Ginger Wine around here, though apparently Crabbies (who also make ginger beer) is better. There was a brief whisky mac revival about 10 years ago locally, when Dorset Organic Dry Ginger wine started appearing everywhere. I Googled and couldn't find it, so I suspect they went out of business.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 13:38:35 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian W More Drums question please.

Ian. Could you please tell who played drums on Like A Rolling Stone take 11 Alternate Take. Parts of it sounds like military drumming almost. Quite unique and different from other versions.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 09:57:27 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "Crawl Out" single - drummer

Yes, Bill M, it was Bobby Gregg on the "Crawl Out" single.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 09:48:27 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shakespeare and James. A rambling aside.

Norbert and Bill: The accession of James VI of Scotland to become James I of England in 1603 as well is pretty crucial to Shakespeare scholars His theatre band became “The Kings Men” and prospered under James, but we get no more “English History” plays after 1599 (except for the very late Henry VIII). Under James, we get two plays set in a mythical “Britain” rather than England (King Lear, Cymbeline) plus we get Macbeth, which shows the intertwined English / Scottish history, with Malcolm fleeing to England … James VIth / Ist believed Banquo was his ancestor, and a line of eight Stuart kings had preceded James, which is shown in the parade of eight kings in the play. Old William S. knew upon which side his bread was buttered.

I’m sure that Henry V had certain cuts in the text after James became King too. There are lines about Scotland in the play that would not have been safe to declaim in front of James. The last twice I’ve seen it they’ve got big laughs too.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 06:07:18 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Bill, Scotland will shine again, just like Canada, that’s what our Band is all about.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 02:41:18 CEST 2016 from (75.98.19.132)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert:Neither the English nor the Scots like to admit that when the two countries became one, the Scots prevailed - but the Scottish king chose to move south for the weather and the culture. Much as our guys did in the 1960s.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 02:31:08 CEST 2016 from (75.98.19.132)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ian W: Thanks. Whatever the truh of the matter, Sandy Konikoff is sure it wasn't him. Which leaves Bobby Gregg, I guess.


Entered at Wed Jun 15 01:18:05 CEST 2016 from (82.18.230.252)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Did Levon play on Dylan's "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?" single

“A MUSICAL HISTORY” includes Dylan’s “Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?” single and the liner notes give the recording date as 5 October 1965 and state that Levon Helm plays drums on the track.

The imminent issue of the Dylan fanzine ISIS will contain the latest article by Roger Ford in a series that provides a track-by-track commentary on Dylan’s 18-CD “THE CUTTING EDGE” release. This particular article will look at Dylan’s New York sessions in October and November 1965, the ones that involve The Hawks.

Of particular interest here may be the conclusion that Dylan’s “Can YOU Please Crawl Out Your Window?” single released in December 1965 was recorded at the 30 November 1965 session, not at the 5 October 1965 session. This would mean that Levon was not the drummer on the single, as he had recently jumped ship.

This conclusion is based on session documents, not included in “THE CUTTING EDGE” but reproduced in the article, and on the Columbia Records documentation that is in “THE CUTTING EDGE”. Levon’s brief mention of the earlier session in “THIS WHEEL’S ON FIRE” is interesting. He makes a series of accurate statements that lead one to believe that he is on the single but never actually states that he was.

The aforementioned article follows the way things are presented in “THE CUTTING EDGE”, so the conclusion may not be surprising, but some folks, elsewhere, have argued differently (saying that the single was recorded at the 5 October 1965 session and then mixed at the 30 November 1965 session) and, thus, that Levon was on the single. Their view does not appear to be solidly based, however.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 22:20:41 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Liverpool someday 1960

Liverpool someday 1960, ships role in and out harbors and docks. Seamen return from New York City. Walking in jeans bringing Rock and Roll, Blues and Elvis and not much later The Band.

Farther up north maybe Scotland will force England to stay in the EU, someday.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 21:45:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, the Murdoch Press was well into it today "BE-LEAVE" said the Sun, a filthy rag full of shite if ever there was one. I reckon the phone-hacking scandal got closer to putting Murdoch in court than he expected, and Murdoch is venting rage on Cameron for failing to protect him.

Then the Daily Express is run by a professional pornographer, the Telegraph by a discredited entrepreneur and the Daily Mail by a very nasty piece of work. I cling to The Guardian today.

On Brexit, I was chatting at a party on Sunday. It is lunatic to make a major constitutional change on a simple majority vote. Anyone with any intelligence would have suggested two-thirds. BUT of course Britexit requires an Act of Parliament, so if the public (turkeys voting for Christmas) vote 50.01% for exit, parliament is fully entitled to say "not enough" and reject it. Fingers crossed!


Entered at Tue Jun 14 20:34:10 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Trump and Murdoch

Is see Murdoch is on board for Brexit - seems if we consistently don't do what these 2 suggest the world will be a better place -


Entered at Tue Jun 14 15:04:10 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mike/RoseAnn

Mike - you made my heart soar with that post - particularly the bit where you state she's a unique talent - because that's exactly as I perceive her.

But I certainly don't feel I warrant any thanks. I've simply been trying to do right by RoseAnn. Indeed, I just feel we are blessed on here to have these early sneak previews/insights into a talent that is surely destined for some significant breakthrough at some stage.

The pleasure her music has provided me with these past 6 months or so equates with any listening experience i've ever had. So I feel it's me who should be doing the thanking to Bob for giving us the heads up.

I'm sure it's only a question of time before everyone with even the remotest musically inclined notions on the GB [which by definition being the GB of the greatest ever band kind of means everyone :-0] - and hopefully many similarly inclined on my own footy website - will have tapped into the same vein of ridiculous quality stuff this girl is serving up.

But thanks again Mike for espousing how you're feeling about this girl's music. Again, I know for a fact how much it will mean to them that yet another seasoned music fan is deriving joy from what this girl is giving us all.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 14:46:47 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: RoseAnn

I'm guessing that the Finos, daughter and father, must be particularly grateful to have two such dedicated proponents of this highly talented, young artist's music across the sea as Al and Dunc. It was because of them, especially Al, that I myself decided to see what the fuss was all about. I kind of had a clue a few months before but did nothing about it, unfortunately. Now I know. I've purchased everything that I can of RoseAnn's music. And I, too, have been listening constantly. RoseAnn is a unique talent. Even I, in my semi-geezerdom, can see that. So a loud thank you to Al Edge, and obviously to Jeff A, for shining the light.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 14:32:57 CEST 2016 from (131.137.34.214)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: bandana becomes . . .

. . . a do-rag!

Appropriate for any occasion.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 13:16:32 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Dunc's take on RoseAnn Fino's latest record - Airing of Grievances

Absolutely thrilled about that Dunc – and I know Bob will be too. Not to mention RoseAnn, of course. When all’s said and done she’s a young girl imbued with extremely rare musical/artistic gifts - a chunk of which most certainly derive from the very same musical origins most GBers know and love – who is simply desperate to have the music she’s created from scratch receive the sort of audience it deserves.

At present that audience is tiny so the disparity between the sort of reception her outstanding music merits and what it has so far acquired is immeasurable. Yet comments such as yours will help chip away at that huge disparity.

You posting just a little snippet like might seem on the face of it insignificant. Yet it actually represents something quite monumental. It means a man with unquestionable, dare I say impeccable :-0), musical taste acquired over decades is actually sat at home soaking up the musical offerings a young aspiring artist has sweated blood to create in a tiny New York bedsit room some 3000 miles away. What a wonderful fillip that must represent to someone like RoseAnn.

When glowing testimonies from the likes of yourself, JT, Jeff, PV and Bassmanlee are added to the nod of approval from an influential figure within the music business such as our own John Donabie it begins hopefully to create a head of steam which can help propel RoseAnn, her fabulous bandmates and her music towards acquiring the sort of audience commensurate with the musical package she is offering.

On the same tack I’ll put up another comment - amongst a fair few of similar ilk on a footy website I go on - from a mate who I finally persuaded to give up his precious time to give a listen to RoseAnn’s latest offering. All such comments have been passed on to Bob and RoseAnn.

“””””””Listened through thrice before posting and am listening now while writing.

First off, the band is tight as a gnat's chuff with outstanding arrangement on all four tracks with particular mention to Alyson on Viola.

RoseAnn is without doubt a huge talent and Al is right to champion her. She's found her own voice and style with this record. Yes, there are influences and tracks such as California Debutante has an infusion of Van Morrison, Nick Cave and Dylan, yet she brings a unique quality through the melody and her rich, spine tingling voice makes it her own. This song, in particular, has entered my noggin and refuses to move.

So there you go, Al, thanks for the gentle prodding!!!! Ha ha!! Bought the music and I now have to say I’m completely sold on this talent. Sorry I missed her in the Caledonia when she came to the 'Pool.

To those listening please give it a couple of go's; not because it is an acquired taste, far from it, but because you will change your mind as to best track. I'm thinking now, on 5th listening, maybe the title track is the best.....

.....and yet ,you know, The Drinking Song is so haunting and lovely.....”””””””””


Entered at Tue Jun 14 11:31:54 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

Sorry to hear about death of Chips Moman. Still play 'Do Right Woman, Do Right Man', 'Dark End of the Street', the Box Tops among other things.

Enjoyed Isaac Hayes, Jeff. I remember reading that by the time Isaac had finished his version of'By The Time I Get To Phoenix', he could have driven there.

Other missing drinks from those sophisticated days, Peter - Babycham and Whisky Mac.

Still enjoying listening to RoseANN, Al.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 10:53:20 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A bandana may be called a kerchief. I didn't remember that either.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 10:50:17 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: ascots, bandanas and pink scarves

Many thanks to Mike for BANDANA. It’s a word I’ve been searching for over the last decade. A decade or more ago I was cruelly lampooned in these very pages for a perceived sartorial error. Someone linked a photo of me, and declared that I was a “limey wearing an ascot.” This puzzled British readers to whom an Ascot is a gas-fired water heater, often installed next to kitchen sinks.

Eventually we worked out that the item of neckwear under discussion was thought to be a cravat. In vain I protested that no Englishman wears a cravat with a black denim jacket outside the Festival Season (which runs from Glastonbury to the Reading Festival).

As I explained endlessly, in a debate that was revived as often as Robbie’s pink scarf, that the item in question was a scarf, a folded printed square of cotton cloth bearing a paisley pattern, that may be worn on the head (during the Festival season) or around the neck except for the December-February period. The triangular area was at the front because it was soaked with DEET. We had been filming a Robin Hood skit under an oak tree in a park next to Clifton Suspension Bridge, in fact he exact tree used in the TV series of Robin Hood, We were beset by midges, blackfly and even Blandford fly and had been liberally DEET sprayed. The actors had it worse than me, as their faces were covered in repellent to avoid red lumps which might cause continuity issues. Anyway, my publisher interviewed me and wanted a photo for an internal newsletter, and the professional photographer on set duly obliged.

In fact it was a BANDANA. A paisley patterned cotton square. A bandana is cool. An ascot is not. I’m delighted to see my choice of neckwear supported by Rick Danko in the excellent video that Jeff linked.

So Jeff, like you, the vague SCARF came to my mind first. The photo itself can be seen on most of my articles here, though only a head and shoulder thumbnail.

The very oak tree may be seen in the link to my old website. You may have to select ROBIN HOOD. The video series is now sadly out of print and totally unobtainable.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 06:40:33 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.119)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Chips Moman has died.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 06:27:42 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.119)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

See Mike. Like the man said. There ain't no free internet. You can't be free in a net. We've been caught! Every last fucking one of us.

That means you too Norm. You've been caught, red fucking handed!


Entered at Tue Jun 14 05:38:00 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I was all geared up for your link, Jeff, but we third-rate Canuckians have been denied viewing rights by the YouTube gods. Blasted heathens we must be. Ah, fuck 'em.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 05:05:54 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.119)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Soul. The Power of Love/ Issac Hayes/ By The Time I Get To Phoenix

The impersonal, inauthentic, impossibly incommunicative web: I could not be more mellow right now unless I was dead Mike.

& here's Isaac Hayes doing By The Time I Get To Phoenix

***************************************************************

As I've been told about the internet.

You can't be free in a a net.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 04:52:46 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Geez, Jeff, mellow out, man.

Maybe it's just a crummy neckerchief.

Then again, a bandana is a type of scarf, no?

Time for bed.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 04:23:05 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.119)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Philosophy. GB Style.

Yes Mr Noamd. A perfect example of typing an incorrect word. I meant bandana, typed scarf. I fucked up. That should be the worst fuck up of my week. Though i can almost guarantee that i shall make some more significant fuck up before the week's out. Possibly before the day is over.When i run out of fuck ups, i'm history. Why do i keep fucking up? asked Neil Young. Well, any body could answer: Cause I'm breathing. OR - i was born to fuck up. IF you only take one thing away from this GB, let it be, we all are fuck ups. It's a question of degree.


Entered at Tue Jun 14 03:27:02 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Looks more like a bandana, Jeff.


Entered at Mon Jun 13 23:29:53 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.119)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Never saw this one before, or Rick wearing a scarf before.

The Band. Life is a Carnival. With the whole Conan O Brien Band. James is playing congas, Mike the tambourine. But Scott Healy did add a third keyboard.


Entered at Mon Jun 13 19:08:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Deep sleep

Ah, a seriously useful aid when Al finishes the book in 2018 (link to details). I got Max Richter's "From "Sleep" CD … just the single CD version, not the 8 hour with 8 CDs and DVD. It is brilliant at sending you off. I claim it's a sleep-like state though Mrs V comments no one snores and honks when in a dream like state, and that I'm right off. They just reduced the 8 CD version from £80 to £30 on amazon and I've ordered it. Max Richter has done eight hour concerts in Berlin and London with camp beds for the audience. The aim is to drift off into a deep relaxed state. That's why there's a DVD with the whole thing without pauses. The effect is incredibly relaxing.

BAND connection … Robbie's mash up for "Shutter Island", This Bitter Earth / On The Nature Of Daylight (Dinah Washington & Max Richter)


Entered at Mon Jun 13 15:25:29 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

That "something in the air" could be emanating from my neighbour's apartment.....fried fish tonight. : )


Entered at Mon Jun 13 14:51:24 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Telepathy

Ha ha - somehow I just felt you had Fred! Must be something in the air.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Jun 13 14:39:01 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Al: I've sent you the 250000 words telepathically.


Entered at Mon Jun 13 13:07:06 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha

FRED: you've got to explain in no more than 250,000 words how to pronounce Jurgen Klopp's name in a rare Japanese dialect

PETE: you've got to explain in half a paragraph why I can't get through more than half a page of your book each night before falling into this wonderful deep sleep

PS - don't worry P - the problem certainly ain't your book which is a hoot!!!

:-0)


Entered at Mon Jun 13 12:05:31 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Test on the Band

I've got to write a test? I thought those days were over. How many questions? Do we have an audio component? Phew. This could take days.


Entered at Mon Jun 13 11:52:12 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Test?!? Nobody told me there'd be a test! ; )


Entered at Mon Jun 13 11:15:09 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Test


Entered at Mon Jun 13 11:13:05 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: ROSEANN FINO - An established music critic's take on Airing of Grievances

Thanks to Jerry, Pete, Rog and Dunc for their kind words re me airing my own manic review of Airing [hmmpph :-0)]. I'm just delighted for RoseAnn and Bob and their family that your goodselves and the likes of Jeff and Bassmanlee - and most notably that truly amazingly cool DJ [JD] in our midst - rate the record so highly.

In meantime, thank goodness there's been a proper official review [LINKED above and REPEATED below] by a recognized music writer who seems to have been blown away by RoseAnn's new record if not quite so mammothly/manically as myself then certainly enough to have gone around the moon and back again in wonderment at the record's magnificence.

Indeed my only gripe with what he writes - and no disrespect to the artist he cites [Lucinda Williams] who in her own right is as we all know is more than pretty damn good - is that he felt compelled to draw parallels between RoseAnn's 'Drinking Song' and Lucinda's own 'Those Three Days'! I can see the connection but for me time will surely bear testament to the fact that whilst Lucinda's is certainly a terrific song, RoseAnn’s by contrast is surely dabbling with the status of mood-laden masterpiece.

On which note I do have to say that surely too now is the time for all of us GB’ers to BAND together to acclaim the daughter of one of our own for creating something so spectacularly good. Certainly in 20 odd years here I've not come across anything approaching such an achievement involving what is for all intents and purposes, in the case of RoseAnn, one of our own. Okay, so possibly on an entirely different pathway the stellar achievements of Jan's hugely talented son were a precursor but with respect to JH and his lad the sort of stuff he does, however excellent and hugely successful it is commercially, has never in cold stone truth really been the musical bag of the folks on here. RoseAnn's music in stark contrast couldn't be any more up our collective street.

All of which is telling me this is the ideal time to recreate precisely the sort of collective celebratory communion/concensus that underpins what the GB was created for - albeit in this instance not for the criminally under-appreciated original group we all love but for a metaphorical offspring of it who happens right now to be attaining a level of correspondingly under-appreciated musical excellence that befits our beloved musical heroes. Who knows how much a collective driving force from everyone who populates this very GB could summon up to help spread the word just that little bit about the incredible musical talent in our midst to perhaps help in remedying such under-appreciation?

At present, it has to be said that it does seem with the odd honourable exception that the GB's loop of acclaim for artists past, both mega giants and not so mega, often appears to blind the GB's collective eye to such fresh and vibrant new talent as RoseAnn. Of course, there’s nowt wrong and loads right with acclaiming the greats or not so greats either gone by or still hanging on by the skin of their old age pension books but when it's at the exclusion of new deserving blood surely anyone will understand how it might kind of suck a wee bit.

Anyroad, whilst I may well actually be doing it to an infinite degree my intention isn’t to preach – I mean who the feck am I to do so anyway? It’s just that right here and now with the release of this amazing record it might well represent the finest opportunity for RoseAnn to make the breakthrough the quality of her music so richly deserves. John Donabie’s exposure of her recording gems to a wider audience could well be the bridgehead needed to precipitate wider appreciation but a solid base of support from everyone who visits this GB, however regularly or infrequently, would most certainly not go amiss and might actually complement John D's own sterling efforts. It doesn't take that much time, effort or cash to purchase a few 5 dollar CD's and dish them out to friends and family - and nobody knows that more than myself. And that effort could well pay dividends for a deserving and truly astonishing talent struggling to be noticed.

Still awake? If so, here's the text of the official review I mentioned!!

:-0

""""Look, it’s time to get seriously hip to Queens, New York’s RoseAnn Fino or we’re going to lose her to Europe where she’s wandering about playing clubs in London, Paris, and Scotland, gathering steam, fans, critical attention, a slew of selfies and, most assuredly, some hot new songs.

Intent on getting her music out as it happens, Fino’s second EP within a year continues to grapple with the millennial perils of post-bust America. “I live beneath a bridge near a garbage truck that tells me when it’s morning.” And so begins the single “Touch Me,” a monster tune with the relentless tide of “Sympathy For The Devil” driving her reverberant howls and “Hey Heys” while the Lovely Misfits (pianist and right hand man Ryan Shapiro, violist Allyson Clare, bassist Pete O’Neill, and drummer Neil Nunziato) bash and slam like hell itself was heating up outside the studio door.

Sure, it’s an existential Hell, but it’s still jaggedly dystopian. She courageously deals with that whole mess in the title song, a ballsy, slice of tight wire rock/pop whose disarmingly insistent chorus “You’re so nice/I hope you/stay awhile/And I don”t mess it up/With all my worrying/And you’re so kind/I wish I could/Fix my mind/and not be so fucked up/And be happy/to be loved . . .” leaves you thinking, “Shit, ain’t no one that real anymore.” “Drinking Song,” cast à la Dylan circa Desire, is damn well one of the saddest songs since Lucinda’s “Those Three Days,” as Clare’s mournful viola puts blood in the track and Fino’s hung-over-next-morning-mistake vocal darkens the deep despair.

To all sworn to carrying the Elmore standard—Saving American Music—into battle, give this one a damn good listen. Once you hear, I’m not bullshitting you, tell your friends. Visit the website www.roseannfino.com, join the mailing list and see a show."""""

– Mike Jurkovic


Entered at Mon Jun 13 00:15:03 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.32)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Incomplete

Izzy Young moved to Sweden in `1973, operates his folklore center there, & hangs out in bars occasionally.


Entered at Mon Jun 13 00:09:32 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.32)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

JQ, Sweden's s less costly than NYC & many other places that musicians might prefer living. And sometimes there's life opportunities. Survival comes first. Sometimes.

There's plenty of blues playing NYC Jews & musical people in Sweden.

A friend, Brian Kramer, from Brooklyn, moved there with his wife, who is Swedish, over twenty years ago. They raised two kids there. Brian seems to dominate the Stockholm blues scene. Has taught & developed a pile of Swedish players, & aside from making his own records & producing for others, has written a novel. Out Of The Blues.

Jon Ben Berger, from Brooklyn or Manhattan, also there.Jon set Richie Havens up onstage at Woodstock. They were closely associated.

Ancient Izzy Young (Israel Goodman Young) grew up in Da Bronx, but moved to Brooklyn after he finished high school. He went to brooklyn college, & after working in his father's bakery a few years, opened The Folklore Center in greenwich Village. And was very instrumental in the entire Greenwich Village Folk Scene. Izzy also prodeced Bob Dylan's first concert at Carnegie Hall. Dylan wrote a song about him or his center.

Brian visits NYC yearly. For a week to two. He's on forced feeding the entire time. Apparently the food in Sweden is disappointing for a guy from Brooklyn.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 22:31:45 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: I'll Take Sweeden

PV - I've noticed that thing about ex-pat musicians living in Scandinavia too. Most recently I read that Rockpile's Billy Bremer has lived in Sweeden for years. Bluesman JB Lenoir lived there too. I wonder if, for artists, it's akin that way to Paris in the 20's and 50's? Or, cynically, is it just an easier place to be a junkie?


Entered at Sun Jun 12 21:29:56 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Guinness

Jeff A - Guinness is a wonderful thing. It's an acquired taste and then a pal for life. Plus due to its low alcohol it can be very sessionable, for hours. Back in the day I never got in any trouble or much of a hangover unless I got into double digits pints. Low alcohol, served cold and, as opposed to its rep, it's actually a very light beer comparatively , 0 or very low, depending on the pub, CO2; so it's not very filling at all. It can be tough to get a good one though outside of bigger cities -


Entered at Sun Jun 12 21:28:54 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Good to hear about Pete Abbott, Jan. A remarkable number of musicians either end up in Norway or marry Norwegians.

Dunc, rum and black was what I drank on my 18th birthday. i can still taste the inevitable vomit. When I worked in a pub circa 1968, we sold a LOT of rum and black. I guess it's gone the way of port and lemon, and whisky and dry ginger as "drinks that used to be popular." Rum and black was blackcurrant cordial and rum, basically Rum & Ribena (as Ian Dury called it).


Entered at Sun Jun 12 18:44:19 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.32)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dunc, when i was swinging a hammer and looked like i just finished three tours in the Marines, i could put em away. And since then there have been occasional bouts where 4 pints of Guinness and i could walk a tightrope. These days, three large bottles of Becks and not needing an emergency room after chopping a chunk off a block cheese is an accomplishment. Fuck, not biting my own tongue off while chewing was just as risky as cutting the fucking thing.

Interesting story Jan. :-)


Entered at Sun Jun 12 17:29:30 CEST 2016 from (84.215.141.93)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: AWB etc.

Pete Abott, who was AWB's drummer from 1994-98, later worked as a secondary/high school music teacher in the little Norwegian town of Halden where we lived until recently. This was at a school for kids that want to do music as their main topic. To be accepted as a student there, you had to go through a test where you played your "main instrument" in front of a group of teachers that decided if you were good enough to enter the programme. When our son was 15 he really wanted to go to this school. The problem was that his "main instrument" were two Technics 1200 turntables, a battle mixer and a stack of vinyl -- he was at that time already considered one of the best turntablists in the country. To make a long story short: He performed for the acceptance test, the "jury" scratched their heads for a long time and did not know what to do with this, then found out he also could play piano, and let him enter as the first and still only music high school student in Norway with turntables as main instrument. And Pete Abott became his music teacher, as drumming and turntablism do have quite a lot in common. The high school and the work with AWB's drummer for three years changed everything for our kid -- he learned a lot, became self-confident, and the rest is history... And Pete Abott and Cashmere Cat (as his artist name is nowadays) are still the best of friends.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 17:20:33 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks, Peter. Politics is changing. Both Labour and Conservative parties nationally are split.

Maybe what is lost down South, is that the Conservatives are the official opposition in the Scottish parliament. They have a good leader and embrace One Nation Toryism. This is big change with Labour in third place.

Rum (OVD) and Black is a traditional Scottish drink, Peter, which I have never looked at again after a late teens experience.

Would have liked to have seen Steely Dan, JT. I had a double Greatest Hits, Katy Lied and two Donald Fagen solo albums. Always liked them, so have been buying up the back catalogue. Enjoy your posts.

Three bottles, Jeff. Getting on, mate. Enjoy your Brooklyn posts as always.

Am playing and enjoying Roseann Fino just now on my computer. Looking forward to getting my CDs. Normally don't download music.

I'm the guy on the train with the CDs, my Sony player, and my Grado (made in Brooklyn) headphones. I see kids smiling or making quiet sarcastic comments, Ha Ha.

Who's a dinosaur.

My favourite tee shirt I saw in Glasgow was 'I may be old, but I've seen all the best bands.'


Entered at Sun Jun 12 16:45:21 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The infernal machine

Sorry Dunc: The infernal machine corrected me. At least it can spell 'Dan' correctly the first time.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 16:44:00 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Steely Dan

Dunn: Steely Dan: From Tin Pan Alley to pop to articulate jazz, Becker and Fagen and all who played with them were brilliant. Their body of work is wonderful. I saw /heard them in Toronto and hope to have that opportunity again.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 16:41:22 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.32)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The Greatest Band. The Band. Whole Concert. Schaefer Music Festival. Wolmman Skating Rink June 30 1071.

Having been born in 58, & fortunately having started going to concerts frequently in 72, I've always wished I was a few to 10 years older, cause of the live music I missed. On the other hand, I also know I likely would have served in Nam. Smart or stupid, right or wrong, guided or misguided, I don't think I'm the type to have avoided it when my countrymen couldn't without going to Canada or jail. I've never really thought it through. It's just a gut feeling I've always had since i was a kid at that time, don't know what i would have come up with if forced to intellectualize it & decide had i been just a bit older then.

But, those who were not in the military sure got to hear the greatest period of music ever. This popped up in my FB newsfeed just now. Half awake, over tired from a bout a month of little sleep, this sounds like some one might have recordrd it on a portable sony shoebox style cassette recorder. I made it to the second track, King Harvest, & there's no escaping the genius, the intricacy, the beauty & the fact that The Band was the greatest Rock & Roll Band. They may not have earned it on a level of combined consistency & longevity,with universal immediate impact, but, fuck, .........I'm out of words. Al, you can finish this if you want :-)

Fucking shame. Three lousy Becks last night & I'm worthless. The world is coming to an end. For fuck's sake, how I spotted this on the bottle is beyond me, but Beck's is now made in St. Louis Boolshit say I. Last time I buy Beck's. Unless it's the best bad choice. I make those often.... Life in the two thousand & teens............Fuck us all..... Hillary, you're my President.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 14:49:17 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, I was shocked that one, a Scotsman, chose Rum & coke! Perhaps it's less appalling as a thought than pouring Coca Cola onto a fine malt.

Yes, Question Time (an important programme here) was 3:2 Leavers, and of the two Remain speakers, Eddie Izzard was inarticulate and incoherent, let alone wearing lipstick and a pink beret, which might be good for the LGBT vote, but not helpful when you’re trying to persuade the average voter. I almost thought “set up.” As it’s a referendum we can’t just hope for “Scotland- Remain” either (which I was)… it’s down to individual votes. Abnsolutely right … the Labour leadership is more interested in sowing Conservative discord than campaigning for remain. Half-hearted is an exaggeration of Jeremy Corbyn’s campaign to stay.

True. Of course everytime the TV news shows Tony "Trust me - weapons of mass destruction" Blair plus John "I shagged Edwina Currie" Major urging us to stay, that’s more votes lost.

Years ago, we walked out of an Eddie Izzard gig (he is allegedly a standup comedian). He had no mic technique at all, and we could see him mumbling away in a 3000 seat hall, and the front centre 5 or 6 rows doubled up laughing. We couldn’t hear a word. When we left before the interval … we didn’t bother to wait, as so many were walking out, we were in a great crowd going into the car park. As a live performer he was beyond dire.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 11:34:03 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: AWB, EU

Never heard that record before, Peter. Enjoyed reading the band's likes. Whatever happened to whisky and cokes? Yuk!

I'm remain in EU too, but UK polls suggested 55-45 leave yesterday. Scotland was 60-40 remain. But I'm not so sure. There have been suggestions that we are not so different from the rest of the UK.

I feel the Remain Campaign is poor. Does the Labour leader want to remain in the EU? Damned by faint praise.

Meanwhile the Tory leadership is using greater and greater scare tactics related to the consequences of leaving.

And as soon as Angela Merkel, Barrack Obama, Michael Moore, the governor of the Bank of England,Eddie Izzard, (who was dire on Question Time), Tony Blair, John Major, seemingly hundreds of self appointed think tanks, heads of leading companies et al tell us what to do or else...I think that's more votes lost.

Brits don't like being told what to do. Barrack Obama saying we would be at the back of the queue didn't help.

Politics will never be the same after the referendum.

Just now 'Katy Lied' is playing away. Steely Dan are brilliant.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 10:46:00 CEST 2016 from (114.75.197.218)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A classic bit of British comedy.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 10:03:45 CEST 2016 from (31.52.116.113)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK EU

Subject: Votey McVoteface

Fat lady isn't in the building yet Bill. Fibby McFibface is finding it too easy to convince lots of folk here but many of them will be challenged to find their way to the polling station. #no way to run a democracy...


Entered at Sun Jun 12 09:51:07 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: There is a scroll bar. Politics.

Sorry, more on politics. Democracy has limits and if you look at the 1930s, the referendum was a tool of fascist dictators. This was lampooned in the Peter Cook / Dudley Moore film “The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer” where constant referendums (I believe referenda is too fancy a word) were used to control, the populace. Both the British and American systems are based on representative government as a filter. The British system evolved, and then later the Founding Fathers wisely distrusted “mob rule.”

My old politics professor wrote books on it. Capital punishment is the classic example. If you had a mass vote right after a gruesome child or serial killing, you might easily get over 70% (possibly including me) opting for burning the perpetrator alive in the town square, after torture. That’s not plucked from the air, polls indicate it. However, that’s not what civilised societies do, and in the longer term we must accept that incarceration is the only way. That’s why we elect representatives as a filter of considered debate and judgment between mass emotion and government action.

On that, the US Electoral College was designed with the same principle in mind. That’s why they are not obliged to follow the public choice. This might come in useful.

But it’s why Cameron, having won an election resoundingly against opposition from the Brexit-based UKIP, was a total idiot to call a referendum. He immediately put himself in the hands of the press barons … not only Murdoch, but the Daily Mail and Daily Express. It’s no way to run a country.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 07:20:59 CEST 2016 from (24.114.86.231)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jed

Just listened to the YouTube of Bob Dylan paying tribute to his good pal George doing "Something".....Beautiful ! That era 2002-2005, I saw Dylan many times and he and his band were great every time I saw them......"Cutting loose" wasn't noteworthy in those days.

Thank you.


Entered at Sun Jun 12 00:53:32 CEST 2016 from (74.12.51.18)

Posted by:

Bill M

Roger: Votey McVolteface seems to be chugging out to sea. Sad.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 20:29:17 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Something

'Something' is the only one I know of.

Of course, there is the Dylan/Harrison collaborations (Concert for Bengladesh and at Dylan's home in early 70s) and Traveling Wilburys but those are not covers.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 19:45:40 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Dylan covers

Can anyone name the George Harrison songs Bob covered? My personal favorite is when he covered The Allman Brothers,Rambling Man-incredible fun!


Entered at Sat Jun 11 19:42:09 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Thanks PSB

Much appreciate your response on Freebird.I read reviews of the show and they confirm that,indeed Bob cut 'em loose and let them show their chops.Gonna check if there are any clips on YouTube-but cut loose,this band must kick some serious ass.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 15:55:12 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Hopscotch

Dunc (and others). Hopscotch was the earlier version of Forever More and they did two singles, including a cover of Long Black Veil (covering The Band version). If you follow the link to the great 45.cat, which aims to scan and post every 45 ever released, you'll see their United Artists single. Scroll to images and enlarge the white box. it's a promo sheet from the demo, with the usual lists of likes and dislikes. Interestingly, 3 of the 4 cite Spooky Tooth as a "like." That confirms my view of the importance of Spooky tooth, who in turn did th British cover of "The weight."


Entered at Sat Jun 11 15:47:47 CEST 2016 from (94.197.121.53)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: The EU

Subject: No exit

Ditto Peter. We're just driving down to Cornwall - a county which has had shed loads of EU sponduliks but there's a mega Vote Leave campaign down there. Turkeys voting for Xmas.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 15:35:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sorry, parochial politics …

Brexit- a terrifying prospect. What I don’t understand is that in the last election, UKIP was on the ballot papers, and did badly everywhere. People had a chance to vote UKIP, who espoused a British exit, and didn’t. So given the choice (in the South) they voted mainly Conservative. So Conservative get in, and suddenly all these Conservative guys elected AGAINST UKIP suddenly turn around and espouse UKIP views. Boris Johnson, whose naked ambition is there for all to see, didn’t even decide which side he was on until the saw the way the wind was blowing. Gove is the worst education minister we ever had.

Then all these LEAVE people go on and on about immigration … OK, but they’re talking about Syrians, Afghans, Somalis, Albanians. These are NOT European Union countries, and whether we’re in or out makes no difference, except that France will no longer be obliged to stop them.

Then they whitter on about the Russian oligarchs and Arab millionaires in London … hey, but they’re not in the European Union either.

The guy rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of a British exit is Vladimir Putin. Every tabloid newspaper has been obviously or covertly blowing the trumpet for Brexit because it sells newspapers. If all our Polish and other EU nurses and doctors and care workers left tomorrow, we wouldn’t have a National Health Service at all.

Sure, Brussels is full of bloated unelected bureaucrats making stupid laws. As is the European Court- many of the "judges" have no legal qualifications. But we can unite with like-minded countries and change that from within. We're looking at 71 years of uninterrupted peace in Western Europe. It’s a no brainer. REMAIN!


Entered at Sat Jun 11 14:49:19 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: James Taylor: extraordinary

James Taylor: Victoria BC: perfect sound in a hockey arena!; in superb voice: Steve Gadd: stellar band with pros of the first order; material from the new albums and many of the well-known songs: Superb! One of the truly great concerts I have ever been at. Hard to imagine him live as a force of nature but when he hit his stride with 'Knock On Wood' and 'How Sweet It Is' after playing some of those sweet songs you were at the heights. Kudos to a light and video show accompanying. who 'woulda thunk it'. James Taylor: a true survivor who's not done yet.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 14:42:06 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Soul

I have wondered from time to time if soul was more important in the formative years of us Brits than the North Americans in the GB community.

Although the Band could play soul really well.

Here's the late, great Alex Harvey with his Soul Band.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 14:13:53 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M

Thanks Bill M. Really good track. I didn't really know about Forever More or Mogul Thrash until Peter told me about the earlier days. I play and enjoy the Forever More albums.(Thanks Peter)

I wrote the Toppermost AWB, but if I hadn't a couple of years earlier talked with Peter, I would have missed out the earlier history. Then myth I believed, with an element of truth behind it, was that they met at the art college in Dundee. And there were definitely local concerts.

I remember thinking it was great when they were number 1 in America, and there were three Dundonians and a guy from Perth in the Band. One band member had been to the same school as me and another's brother was a couple of years ahead of me at school.

Last summer I found out that the two west coasters, Onnie McIntyre and Hamish Stuart played in a band with my daughter's neighbour.

When reading about them for Toppermost (anorak on!) what came out was that they were all hardworking musicians dedicated to developing their craft.

I really still enjoy the AWB. Thanks Bill.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 12:17:51 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Brexit & The Band

Ilkka, thank you, good to have such a friend.

Brexit…… if Britain is out ….all of the Netherlands will follow instantly, Swiss will be out soon and Norway, including The Band, will be out shortly thereafter.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 09:37:53 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Forever More

The Forever More track that is closest to AWB for me is "Put Your Money On A Pony" but take a listen to "Something Sad" from Mogul Thrash (linked) … you could describe AWB as Forever More + Mogul Thrash's sax players. Mogul Thrash also had Canadian Mike Rosen (ex-Eclection) on trumpet and guitar and John Wetton on bass guitar. "Something Sad" is a very AWB "bass guitar and horns" number.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 06:31:52 CEST 2016 from (24.114.86.231)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Norm's Clip and Mr. Hockey

Norm.......belated thanks for another one of your Nashville gems ! God, I loved Barbara Mandrell as a kid....beauty and talent to burn.

Just back from Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and an after-party I attended...and someone mentioned the sad news of Ali AND Gordie Howe.....I had not known and was very saddened to hear of the other truly great number 9 passing on. RIP Gordie........lasting memory other than hockey is him driving 10 hours straight by himself in a small car to attend Rocket Richard's funeral in Montreal a few years ago when Gordie was already in failing health......Fiece competitors or not back in the day when rivals didn't pat each other on the bum and make gooey eyes at each other, Gordie simply said aching knees and back or not - he had to be there......a true legend and great guy to boot.

Sir Rod........Hilarious and beautiful news !


Entered at Sat Jun 11 05:31:19 CEST 2016 from (74.12.51.18)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Dunc: My favourite AWB-related song is actually by their forerunner group, Forever More. This one was an FM radio 'hit' in its day ('70-'71). I may even have heard it played by our John D on CHUM-FM back then.

Gotta give those FM guys credit for trying hard to interest goofs like me in jazz and true blues and electronica and exotica of various sorts, but my tastes were pretty mainstream rock and folk, though more often the more practitioners of mainstream styles. But I did eventually grow.

My parents had maybe six feet of 78s: my mother's classical and show tunes and my father's C&W - plus lots of pop as middle ground - 40's swing, Four Lads, Weavers, Andrews Sisters ... I don't recall them ever playing them, though I'm sure they did pre-kids. Very little to interest me later on - just "Sloop John B" by the Weavers, "Chattanooga Shoeshine Boy" / "Slewfoot Rag" by Red Foley and a couple by a old-time county group called George Wade and His Cornhuskers, a group that included the great fiddler Jean Carignan for some years.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 02:44:30 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: in-home music memories

JT and PV - We had Jo Stafford in the house too - her take on Hank W's Jambalaya is a clear memory. I was lucky enough to have 2 older sibs and one was prime-time for Elvis, so I got a lot of original rock n' roll and rockabilly. And the other was there for the folk thing of the late 50's/early 60's. All that pressed onto my tabula rasa and really stuck. Plus in LA then there were a couple of country music TV shows: Spade Cooley, Collins Kids, Merle Travis, Tex Ritter, Doyle O' Dell, etc. Thank goodness.


Entered at Sat Jun 11 01:14:52 CEST 2016 from (23.83.92.41)

Posted by:

Chris Pratt

Web: My link

Subject: Concert Festival

Cheap Lolla Tickets. Buy cheap Lollapalooza tickets securely online.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 23:56:15 CEST 2016 from (184.66.227.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sir

Always a 'sir' to me. You wear it well.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 23:53:25 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Sir Rod

I've been overlooked in the Queen's birthday honours yet again, but delighted that we now have Sir Rod Stewart. You wear it well, Rod.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 20:37:48 CEST 2016 from (184.66.227.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Shrimp Boats Are Coming - Jo Stafford

My mom told me that as a tot I listened to radio and would sing and know the lyrics to 'Shrimp Boats Are Coming' by Jo Stafford. I have no recollection but she swears up and down that its true.

My real love of music came in 1956 when I was at Tides Hotel in Jackson's Point in the summer and you could play music on the jukebox in the concession/food area (a Wurlitzer, I think) for 5 cents. I used to play Searchin' by The Coasters and songs by Chuck Berry at that time whenever I could get my hands on a nickel. The rest is history


Entered at Fri Jun 10 19:35:41 CEST 2016 from (184.66.227.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Warren Zevon

Thanks Peter (PSB) for reminding me of that (re Warren Zevon) That is even more relevant to my argument.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 18:32:44 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: AWB

Incidentally, Peter knew the AWB also, JT.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 18:26:56 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Scottish soul, JT

Here is Scottish soul at its best...and dare I say this cover is better than the original, JT.

Soul was important in this neck of the woods


Entered at Fri Jun 10 18:23:49 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Records

Part of my eclecticism is recent, JT, since I started the never-ending mega work on record collecting and labels. If we go back to our first experiences of recorded music, we used to be dropped off at my mum’s friend (I was about 8) and her husband had a big gramophone and a huge classical collection (and no TV) and he played me and my sister a lot of stuff, and I couldn’t believe what pictures it all evoked. The early pop records I loved included A White Sport Coat and A Pink Carnation, Lay Down Your Arms (Ann Shelton), and on the radio I thought Here Comes Summer by Jerry Keller was the best thing I’d ever heard. We didn’t have a record player, but my sister’s friend went on a long holiday when I was 10 (my sister was 16) and loaned her all her records and record player. I couldn’t stop playing Little White Bull by Tommy Steele.

I got a radio in 1961 and used to listen to Radio Luxembourg every night. That was it. Girl groups, Clyde McPhatter’s Lover Please. Wolverton Mountain by Claude King. In the UK, we never had “specialist stations” so it was the BBC Light Programme or at night, Radio Luxembourg, which was record label sponsored half hour or 15 minute chunks. This meant we had (say) 15 minutes of whatever CBS or Decca were trying to sell, so we did get Johnny Cash next to The Ronettes and Gene McDaniels. That might be important … Sinatra was Light Programme, NOT Luxembourg.

I worked all summer when I was 15 and bought a Dansette record player in 1962. I bought a stack of records from a friend. The first full-price new single I bought was Sealed With A Kiss by Brian Hyland. I know the B-side, Summer Job, equally well. You do when you only have the one record.

I spent some time at a Record Fair discussing why most British collectors kept discs carefully in company / factory sleeves, and far fewer Americans did (the discussion was with an American my age). We worked out that at comparative prices and wages circa 1960, it took a British music fan around four times as long to earn the money for a single. Young fans rarely bought LPs, which is why EPs were important in te UK. Because they cost so much more in time worked, we looked after our 45 rpm records.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 18:09:13 CEST 2016 from (100.34.147.66)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Dylan and covers

JT, Dylan did the Zevon covers before not after he died, but when he announced he was sick and would not live.

Yes, Dylan's show last night ended with an instrumental of "Free Bird" by his band. According to Bill Pagel: Just before the Free Bird instrumental jam, Bob said to the band, "OK, I'm cutting you guys loose. Show 'em what you can do".


Entered at Fri Jun 10 16:54:38 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The scope of music

I was in those early days of my life very selective. I admit that I rejected country music and avoided pop (Bobby Rydell, Fabian et al) and Frank Sinatra was anathema. These were either for little kids or hormone-stoked teenyboppers or older people who really knew nothing about music. Unlike some of our readers here, I did not even appreciate soul and r and b (with rare exception) in those teen years and into my early 20s. I remember the disdain I had for some of those music forms. My dad did bring home some bargain classical LPs (Beethoven et al) and I did see their merit but certainly did not spend the hours listening to them that I spent with Dylan and the Rolling Stones. It was only after CKFH, CKEY and CHUM FM that I began to understand the melting pot of music. I finally 'got' Sinatra in the 80s while soul and r and b hit me after Big G Walters. Country came later. I was not a Johnny Cash fan when he was in his heyday despite Dylan's interest and their 'meeting of minds' on record.

Why write this? I'd like to hear about other peoples experiences with the music we love. When I heard Levon and the Hawks at the Concord, I appreciated what they were doing but did not extend my interest to find out and listen to where that music was coming from. The student of music in me came later. Perhaps that's what happens to us all. I'm still having trouble with some rap and some metal and some grunge and some world music. Jazz was always with me from the start though I knew and understood little until more recently. I should say that Jeff A has given me some insights about his interests and we all know Peter V's eclectic tastes. Their visions have opened me up to new areas and, as I have said, that is one of the things I really like about this site.

So maybe we can hear from others on this topic?

We will hear/see James Taylor tonight.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 16:03:56 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Warren Zevon: all you need to know about Bob Dylan

My take only: Covering Warren Zevon soon after his untimely death is all one needs to know about Bob Dylan. Respect for the a body of work that was worth reprising. That is a part of what Bob Dylan is. This level of respect lives on throughout his career and you can hear it repeatedly in the course of his many albums and his live performances. Its not necessarily how well he did it but that he did it that counts. I think he derives joy from being a part of the whole.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 13:30:20 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: EUROPE - and long wish to remain so

Subject: RoseAnne Fino

Great review Al Edge. Great radio show John Donabie. I couldn't get to RoseAnne's UK shows because we were in Greece. Come back soon! I will hotfoot it over to buy the latest EP.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 12:44:15 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Free Bird?

Dylan closed his concert last night with that song.Was it the Lynryd Skynryd song?Anyone know anything about this?Thank you.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 12:28:16 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mo Dylan

I forgot in my previous posts one of the gems, an album with the simple name: Dylan: 'Drunken Ira Hayes', 'Sarah Jane' and more. CBS were morons.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 12:17:41 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Dylan / JT

Sir, it is a privilegium for me to discuss Dylan with you. - For me the best of Dylan's studio works is when he returns to his memories about real American songbook: The first two albums, John Wesley Harding, Nashville Skyline, Self Portait, New Morning, Planet Waves, the song "Shenandoah". Then came a long period of nonsense (expect playing blues with the guitar and, of course, the radio shows.) A lonesome stardust after all these vanished years is the star of Bethlehem, 'Christmas Album'.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 11:41:36 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Large wall

Kevin, is there any truth in the reports we're reading here that Canada is building a huge border wall to keep out the Americans once Donald Trump becomes president?


Entered at Fri Jun 10 10:24:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Covers albums

Agree, superb review Al.

On the subject of doing oldies, check out "Let The Record Show: Dexy's Do Irish & Country Soul" by Dexy's Midnight Runners, or by Kevin Rowland, however you want to say it. It's a weird mix - I'll Take You Home, Kathleen, Smoke Gets In Your Eyes on one hand, then To Love Somebody, You Wear It Well, Both Sides Now, then Carrickfergus and Curragh of Kildare. The track that really gets me is the instrumental opener, Women of Ireland, but every track is surprising in one way or another. And yes, I'm enjoying it much, much more than Fallen Angels.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 07:56:46 CEST 2016 from (24.114.86.231)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The essence and beauty, JT.....is that that Dylan always out-hipped the hiptors by being unhip himself....He loved Gordon Lightfoot and the critics of the day couldn't get their head around it...why's our "God" doing "Early Morning Rain"? "That's not cool" ....no it wasn't....it was just a flat out brilliantly written song...he got it, they didn't .....and on it goes,......that all said, even contrarians can trip themselves up and I really do wish he would spend time rediscovering his own vast and underplayed songbook.....I just like listening to his own words and as long as he is playing live I would again love to sit in a darkened theatre or arena and hear them.

Paul Ryan: Has there ever been a better example of a disgraceful public figure ? Acknowledging that someone is a textbook definition of a racist ( as Ryan did recently with Trump ) on the one hand and continuing to endorse the person on the other......is just mind blowing !

Bill M: I met with a guy in Montreal in the late 70's to buy a guitar......only a few things stand out......it would have been only a second instrument I had got my hands on as I was only 17.....the guy asked me about the Beatles and when I mentioned how much I liked George Harrison, he quickly mentioned how George had had to have Eric Clapton play on a signature song of his ( seemingly putting down me and George in one comment ) and he also casually mentioned he had just lost a kidney........he also added he was playing with Dominec Troiano...and that I t was dance/disco music they were doing.......only a few years later did I come to know Troiano and reflected back on this ....I didn't buy the guitar but you mentioned Wayne and I could almost swear that that was his name ! Reading more about Wayne, it couldn't have been but funny nevertheless, he did have curly hair and was balding....


Entered at Fri Jun 10 06:30:31 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Folk and Blues from before

And we should not forget 'Good As I Been To You' and 'World Gone Wrong' in this big wheel.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 06:26:45 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The titanic wheel of music

Greil Marcus' 'What is this shit?' article regarding 'Self Portrait' by Dylan gave me a thought. Dylan predicted 'Shadows of The Night' and 'Fallen Angels' as far back as 1970 when he showed his interest and knowledge of the American Songbook. He did it again with other covers over the years. We should not be surprised. He told us as much with his radio show when he highlighted the songs and performers who were the foundation of the American music lexicon. In that context, Dylan is a traveller on the same road and he wants us to know that. What separated him was his surreal lyrics; those songs are now part of the foundation and as Dylan covers the basics of the 30s to 60s, so Dylan gets covered by everyone and his brother/sister. It is all part of a continuum and Dylan is a cog in this titanic wheel.


Entered at Fri Jun 10 04:16:50 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Al Edge writes 'Pulitzerish'

Al: You missed your calling. That is a hell of an effective review! Well done.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 22:14:05 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Steely Dan, Peter

Sorry for my lack of clarity there, I was referring to your added comment - worthwhile getting the later albums etc in addition to your list. I would have commented on Toppermost, but the Steely Dan section is now closed.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 21:53:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Sultans of Swing is one of the best songs ever "about bands."

Many thanks for guitar advice. I went to a proper guitar store and got a Fender Squire Bullet Strat. £89.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 21:49:45 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Dunc, Steely Dan on Toppermost was Terry Newman, not me (Linked). But I had to check, thinking "Did I do that one?" A sign of age. I did do my own ten at the end as a comment, then it got discouraged to do alternative tens. But mine WAS better. Cousin Dupree and Rikki Don't Lose That Number are essential.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 21:49:35 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

That's great Dunc.

I'm going to be really interested in your take on it all, especially if you start off with her first album and then the two EP's in chronological order.

Your only problem of course is that it'll be a while before you can hear the latest of the three - but it'll be worth the wait mate.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Jun 9 21:38:32 CEST 2016 from (86.130.197.138)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Al, Bob

Got off my arse and bought Roseann's album and eps. You have spurred me into action, Al Edge.

Just now the retirement project is Steely Dan. Enjoyed your Toppermost contribution on Steely Dan, Peter. I really enjoy this band and am listening more carefully and filling in the gaps.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 21:32:08 CEST 2016 from (100.11.151.162)

Posted by:

Little Brother

Location: the Guestbook Archives (and Philly PA suburb)

Subject: Shout-Out to Peter V ;)

Peter V, FWIW your Mon Jun 6 12:09:34 CEST 2016 post (There always used to be a lot of “semi-pro” musicians....) vividly recalls, and inspired me to listen to, Dire Straits' "Sultans of Swing".


Entered at Thu Jun 9 18:00:24 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Airing of Grievances - review

So I’m not really sure how to talk about RoseAnn Fino’s new record. I rate it so highly but if I continue my odyssey to eulogise about the music she makes then I’m sure it’s tempting for folks to dismiss such eulogising as merely the ramblings of her dad’s mate. Or maybe some one-eyed fanatic. Also I know only too well that in the past I’ve rubbed people up the wrong way by shoving my enthusiasm in their faces when they want to make up their own minds free of propaganda from me.

And yet my problem is that considered middle ground territory has never been comfy territory for me. Ambivalence is not my scene. If I’m only so-so about something then I tend just to keep schtum . I don’t really see the point in writing or posting about anything I don’t consider remarkable.

So, yeah, you’ve guessed it, in this instance I’ll risk the dismissals, the slights and such like to enter the eulogising zone that comes most naturally to me. And, boy, does the quality of this record induce within me some urge for rampant eulogising. Quite simply, in my own humble/not so humble opinion [delete as most appropriate] the four tracks on RoseAnn's latest record are as good as anything I've ever come across since my late Uncle Dave first exposed me to the swinging joys of Bobby Darin back in the late ‘50’s.

Yes, I honestly believe it’s that good. And in mitigation against accusations of making such a claim spuriously I speak as someone who up until my exposure these past few months to Roseann’s latest offering has held Astral Weeks, Highway 61, The Band’s early albums, 12 Songs, Blue, Murmur, Please Please Me, Revolver, Talking Book, Sly’s Greatest Hits, The River and Grand Prix as my own personal high water listening benchmarks.

I was sent the MP3's some two months ago by Roseann's dad and have listened to all four tracks probably every day since - often repeated listenings. They are so good that even after so many repeated hearings I find myself still hankering after listening to them again and again. That, by my reckoning, is as stringent a litmus test as there ever was for a record's greatness. So much so, I've been desperate to put the MP3 links on here for others to share but kept my word to her dad that I would wait until the official release date which was yesterday.

As most reading this are already aware I've raved about RoseAnn before - and certainly not just because she's the daughter of a friend but because I believe she is quite simply an outstanding young artist with a rare lyrical/musical songwriting talent and a performing ability and charisma to complement her burgeoning creativity.

On her previous Out From Under record I felt three of the four tracks were outstanding. That was not simply my own take. Some on here - Jeff, JT, PV to name just three **** - felt similar if not quite so avid enthusiasm as myself for the quality of the songs on that record. But make no mistake, as good as that last record was, RoseAnn has now moved artistically onto another level with what I can only term a minor masterpiece in The Airing of Grievances.

It might sound like an outrageous claim given the lowly levels of recognition that exists for her to date but for me Airing of Grievances reveals an artist who creatively is already very near the top of the ladder. Aided and abetted by her trusty bandmates whose own musical qualities have clearly infused extra magic into the raw song ingredients with which RoseAnn has presented them, the record’s thematic material, its teasing, hauntingly beautiful melodies, Roseann’s unerring vocal authenticity, the tight clever arrangements and her own and her bandmates’ sterling musicianship are all wonderfully synthesised into what is a breathtaking collective.

The record’s theme is of crazy mixed up overwhelming despair laced with contrasting shards of defiant pride and contentment at a lifestyle at once challenged and debauched by hedonistic tendencies/weaknesses yet at the same time occasionally fulfilled by the music she manages to create and the ensuing joy it provides for her and her, as yet, small band of followers.

Yet whilst great records demand a consistent theme, they also need songs of distinction to provide the melodic platform to complete the circle. And on this record that requirement is met in bucketfuls.

The opening title track is unusual and not a little madcap. It uniquely blends singalong vaudeville with jaunty skiffle whilst introducing the record’s thread of desperation with a self-deprecating comic style belying that desperation. It works magnificently. The second track – the Drinking Song - is the record’s centrepiece. It is brief yet outstanding by any standard, taking us to the very heart of the singer’s despair and failures with a dark, brooding ballad that aches so much it would leave Hank Williams short of tears. The song’s musical climax soars to a peak that tears at your guts, promising escape and resolution only for that promise to be forsaken by the ultimate regret of the song’s closing lines. Track three, Touch Me, is a swirling rocker that sees the singer defiant, taunting willing admirers with provocative ‘come-ons’. Initial hearings pick up a Sympathy for The Devil connection. Several plays later the song has left any such slender mimicry far behind, revealing its full rocking majesty and simply demanding to be played again and again for its many layers to be absorbed.

The album’s closing track – Californian Debutante – is another stunning brooding lament. This time for a lost love that feels to the singer like it can be the only one she’ll ever know. Its haunting beauty brings to an end 20 minutes or so of incredible music that sits alongside any you care to name. It is to be hoped this landmark quartet of truly great songs marks a breakthrough for a talent so richly deserving of it. Such things don’t always pan out the way they should as we all know. But when you have an artist with music within their locker as good as this, then it is to be hoped it does.

**** The GB's own John Donabie is the latest to have had RoseAnn's music brought to his attention and recently featured her on his 'mixed bag' radio show ****


Entered at Thu Jun 9 17:07:03 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: more RoseAnn Fino

John Donabie's introduction of RoseAnn Fino to Canadian (and international) audiences was excellent on last week's CIUT FM 4 hour program. Hopefully, this will be followed by 'live in Canada' (Toronto and other places) tour. We have some excellent intimate venues in Canada that would be well suited for her..as John said...Hugh's Room in Toronto is one of them. The new EP is great.


Entered at Thu Jun 9 15:52:03 CEST 2016 from (64.229.238.76)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Web: My link

Subject: Serge Daniloff

He's on Facebook apparently. [link above]


Entered at Thu Jun 9 14:49:17 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA

Subject: RoseAnn

Bob, took up your invite. Stunning, emotional stuff. Many struggle to express their inner selves in a coherent and articulate way. RoseAnn hits it out of the park.


Entered at Wed Jun 8 23:19:24 CEST 2016 from (86.53.31.243)

Posted by:

jh

Anyone out there with functioning contact info. for our old friend Serge Daniloff? If so, please send us an e-mail. Thanks.


Entered at Wed Jun 8 16:47:22 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: RoseAnn Fino An Airing of Greivances

Link is to Bandcamp where you can hear RoseAnn's new EP. Anyone in the New York area, RoseAnn and her band will be playing a cd release show at Union Pool in Brooklyn tonight at 9:00pm.


Entered at Wed Jun 8 16:47:11 CEST 2016 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Al Edge

Thank you for your kind comments Al. Much appreciated.


Entered at Wed Jun 8 16:10:54 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Bob Dylan / JT, scroll!!!!

HENNING MANKELL, the Swedish writer (a leftist like me) launched a question: "When did you stop to listen regularly to Bob Dylan's studio albums?" For myself the answer is this: "New Morning is the last album." (Listen to 'Christmas Album' with joy once a year is hardly considered to be "regularly".).


Entered at Wed Jun 8 04:49:56 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Guitars & Amps & Inspiration

Peter! To inspire your grandson, let him watch an unprofessional street busker like this boy. However you know the dedication it takes to do this, (as well as the talent).

I also would like to share with you, (and you may have seen some). There are some very dedicated guitarists on youtube giving free VERY GOOD lessons as well as advise on guitars and amps. The main question is. Should you have a better guitar or a better amp to get the ultimate sound for your money. There is some very good advise there. Enjoy this video. This young man is a HOT!! player.


Entered at Wed Jun 8 02:58:53 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.80)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

:-)


Entered at Wed Jun 8 01:55:37 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: John Donabie/Roseann Fino

Just back from a night with our poor Steve and to cheer myself up I listened to John Donabie's Mixed Bag show on the net.

What a DJ you are John lad! I just love your style of presentation. Could listen to you and what you play all night [and day]. I'll certainly be tuning in again.

Of course the personal highlight for me was your RoseAnn Fino feature and boy did you do justice to her huge talent so evident to many of us on here - including now I'm delighted to say your goodself as is now also so evident from the glowing and fully warranted praise you gave her and her band.

On a personal level I can't thank you enough for your willingness to do thi but most of all for listening with such an open mind. I've tried over here in Liverpool with every outlet imaginable but the problem I've found is over here your fellow DJ's and media folk are simply unwilling to listen and give new talent the sort of open minded shot you've just afforded Roseann.

You're a real star JD - well in mate. And I don't care if it sounds a bit schmaltzy I'll say it anyroad - proud of you for the way you did that tonight.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Jun 7 17:52:43 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Money by JT

No JT, you are wrong. - You were not naive, you were good-hearted and sensitive. It was not a childish idea you had. It was a good idea. You didn't lack knowledge. You did lack experience of life. Thank God!


Entered at Tue Jun 7 17:45:29 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Festival Express

No and no. But I remember it well.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 17:44:05 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Free Music - Festival Express

Jerry, this concert in Toronto confirms what you are saying. Were you there? Did you jump the fence?.....:-)


Entered at Tue Jun 7 17:27:34 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Money

As I read (as a non-musician but as a lover of all things music) about the sad plight of musicians who are struggling to make ends meet and still play live and record, I reflect on those halcyon days of the 60s when the youth (I was among them) thought that being 'commercial' while making music was a sin akin to a cultural felony. It was a stupid idea then but it was held by the majority of the 'in crowd' who separated (in their own minds) the 'business' from the music. It was naive and childish but that notion prevailed for quite a few years and many musicians were ostracized for being commercial. 'Free' music was the prevailing theme in that time and musical anarchy was what should be achieved. So there should be no fences at festivals and any musician who seemed to take money seriously was somehow tainted. The musicians were creating and making $$$ and the agents and the record companies and the festivals were making big $$$. But that didn't really register with the kids. Somehow, the music should be free. If they perceived a musician was 'in it for the money' it was a problem. And so musicians didn't openly discuss money. It was not a topic of conversation.

That attitude certainly wained over the years as people wised up and realized that music as an endeavour was impossible without dollars. Certainly, things have changed with the new technology and as so many have noted, its really tough now for so many with a huge impact on playing live shows or recording with the aim to sell. Naive we were and with no knowledge of how things really worked in music in those years. Why reflect on this at all? Just for perspective over 50-60 years.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 17:09:17 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA
Web: My link

Subject: guitars and Joan Baez

Peter, if the made-in-Mexico Fenders are available in your zone, don't hesitate to go for a Strat. My main instrument is a "MIM" Jazz bass, picked up used for the mid 200s (US) including a good road-worthy case and serves me quite well. I also have a MIM Strat that plays quite well. The key is to buy from a reputable dealer who will SET UP the guitar (action and intonation) which makes all the difference in the world. Can't say I can recommend the 'Squire' line, which are even cheaper, as I have no experience with them.

Those of you in the States should scour your TV listings for the Joan Baez 75th Birthday video being aired on PBS this month. Wow! The girl's still got it! Impressive list of guests including David Crosby, David Bromberg, Emmylou Harris, Joan Collins, the Indigo Girls (not a fan, but they fit nicely with Joan), Richard Thompson and many more (see link). This was not a typical "tribute" as Joan was on stage throughout. Final song, Forever Young. Fantastic.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 15:30:13 CEST 2016 from (129.42.208.184)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: John Donabie Mixed Bag

John D, thank you so much for playing RoseAnn's new song Touch Me on your show and all the kind words. To have her song on a show featuring so much great music like The Band, Stones, Johnny Winter and The Jayhawks. Wow! We can't thank you enough. Love your show and looking forward to the British Invasion special next week.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 14:47:44 CEST 2016 from (109.64.104.236)

Posted by:

Shiran savion

Location: Davie FL
Web: My link

Hey very nice site!! Man .. Beautiful .. Amazing .. I'll bookmark your website and take the feeds also…I am happy to find numerous useful info here in the post, we need develop more techniques in this regard, thanks for sharing. . . . . .


Entered at Tue Jun 7 13:41:44 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: More on guitars

Peter-since you described your grandson's talent level I'm convinced he will love the strat and Roland micro cube immediately.Do NOT buy the setup you saw because it's cheap-it's not a good setup and a kid with any talent deserves something decent.There are also strat lookalikes that are quite good and cheaper than the real thing.The trick with electrics are simple-pick it up in the store-if it plays nicely without the amp,thats your guitar!Some very expensive gibsons have failed that test and when plugged in are,at times,no better than good Epiphones.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 13:33:17 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Peter-guitars

I've been playing for over 40 years and my son plays.Th best starter electric is a strat since its shape is a comfortable and perfect fit for the human body particularly when sitting.The fretboard is accessible and very manageable for younge folk.Do not get a telecaster as a first guitar-needs a lot of retuning and more difficult to manage.Epiphones are great to,but the fit of the strat is ideal for everyone,particularly kids.There are cheaper,kids models of strats made as well.As for amps,try the very affordable Roland micro cube,easy to move around,great sound,and affordable.Also has some neat effects.Orange amp is best for clarity of sound,also affordable and versatile.The idea that a child should only start with an acoustic,to me,seems absurd.Hope this is helpful.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 12:35:49 CEST 2016 from (129.42.208.184)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Guitars

Peter, my daughter started out with one of those starter guitars when she was in first grade. It served it's purpose which was to determine if she was serious. Within a year we picked up a used Alvarez with a pickup. Almost 20 years later she still has and plays that guitar.In fact that's the one she brought to England for recent shows. The first electric and what I would recommend checking out was an Epiphone. Reasonably priced, great selection and seemed to have a decent sound. She played that for a few years until we got her an American Strat one Christmas. Now she plays Gibson guitars. Check out the Epiphones.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 11:04:54 CEST 2016 from (203.184.15.147)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Peter, I'm of the "start 'em on acoustic" paradigm but if the boy wants electric they have some advantages, namely narrower necks and lighter actions, good for younger players. The weight of the body might be tiresome.

Cheap guitars are built of rubbish, obviously, but modern construction and setup tolerances are usually quite precise. A professional muso caught short could buy a $100 axe and gig and record with it, it will pretty much sound like it should and stay in tune. Far more playable than the budget models of old. Go for it!


Entered at Tue Jun 7 10:24:06 CEST 2016 from (114.75.211.209)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, I recall an incident from Yehudi Menuhin's autobiography where he retold a story about how a relative bought him a cheap violin when he was a very small child. He tried to play it but didn't like the sound and so threw it on the ground much to the embarrassment of his parents. When it comes to musical instruments, I think it is best to buy something with a bit of quality.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 10:02:15 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Guitar advice …

A request. My grandson, aged 11, wants an electric guitar. I'm sympathetic because without lessons he can find a melody line on the piano with ease, and he sings perfectly in tune. On amazon there are several packages at £89 ($130) which include a Strat lookalike, a 10 watt amp (with headphone outlet, thankfully) and an electronic tuner. Are these actually playable? In my day, cheap electrics looked OK, but had an appalling high action, which meant one was amazed at how much easier it was to hold down notes on a Fender (important for 11 year old fingers). I also thought a Tele lookalike might be easier to get your fingers around. All the guitarists I ask say "Start on an acoustic" but his dad has several good keyboards, and he really wants electric. I'm also concerned that several people told me "You need to be 14 to have long enough fingers - buy a very small acoustic first."


Entered at Tue Jun 7 09:54:20 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, you need to hear “Daddy Lessons” by Beyoncé from “Lemonade.” The New Orleans horn section has to be older guys in what I can only describe as “Dance goes Americana.” The YouTube live one is roughish- but it’s worth 99 cents on iTunes. If you recall Beyoncé as Etta James in Cadillac Records, we can see that the younger generation can and do empathize with classic stuff. Well, sometimes.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 09:27:00 CEST 2016 from (2.96.198.84)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko & Paul Butterfield – Live From The Blue Note Boulder Co 1979 (2016)

Paul Jones played a track from this on his BBC Rhythm and Blues show on Monday night.


Entered at Tue Jun 7 05:29:42 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.80)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

There's something called musicality. and then separately, there is the phenomena that in the past, up until the last ten to twenty years, the old school players and newer school players dug each other. The newer guys & gals sought out the older guys and gals, studied em, traveled with em, lived with em, worked with em. And the older timers welcomed them..This is both high & low profile. There's the obvious relationships many knos about, thenthere are dozens of players all around the country that not many people knows about that put in many years with some of the old greats. Alot of these players also took care of many these older musicians, right till the end.

Personally i dont hear musicality in alot of new music. And i doubt anyone can really point to these new post rock forms, and a whole lot of other new music,where the old guard and new guard are hanging out, working together, livign togther.

To a large degree, there is a very real turn into things unmusical, and the loss of the old relationships between old guard & new guard. The continuum of positive advncement is gone. For other reasons too, alot that we've beean discussing.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 21:20:07 CEST 2016 from (68.171.246.3)

Posted by:

Bill M

the internet can be blamed for many things, but not everything. Who records were unlistenable long before.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 19:48:14 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA

Subject: hate

A little late to the thread, but one of the most moving books I ever read was the autobiography of Malcolm X (as recorded by Alex Haley). Malcolm underwent a great change in outlook after a visit to Africa and turned against the "established" Elijah Muhammad's Black Muslim movement's view of the "White Devil". In fact, it was what got him killed. I believe that Ali reached the same conclusion.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 18:28:22 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It's what I was saying too, Pat. Look at the concession stands for "heritage artists." People don't touch the latest albums. They want at best "Live Last Year With the Same Setlist".


Entered at Mon Jun 6 17:48:31 CEST 2016 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Music has always been faddish. Jazz players used to make good money playing live, then they got killed by R%R. A typical rap was that the recordings that were putting them out of business were so crude and musically unworthy that they shouldn't be made. Yeah, right. Now DJ's are cashing in, as rock has become a thing of the past worthy of museums. Blues and Jazz are the worst selling music in the world. The demand for these styles is simply not there. Post-rock forms by bands like Tame Impala and Wavves are very popular, but face it, it's a young person's game.

As far as The Who goes, they ended when Moon died. I watched their latest concert on HBO and they sounded great, especially since they had about five backup singers doing most of the lifting. Daltrey sounded good too. But what were sales like for their Moon-less records? There is no shame in becoming a tribute band, but the musical mayhem that defined The Who and its music has been gone for forty years. Same thing happened to many groups we all love.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 15:32:35 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.61)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Been part of my bitch all along too Pete. The in person human interaction is irreplaceable and what stimulates creativity. In many ways digital is the opposite of life.Or it's the Frankenstein monster run amuck.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 15:28:05 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Video got up and walked away too. Textbooks are fast following- 100 redundancies at my old publisher recently. Digital is all very well, but no one seems to have a secure way of moneytizing it.

Mrs V is just reading "The Village Effect" about the difference between isolated learning (self study) and learning with humans. I notice as jobs become increasingly fixed to a screen on your own, job adverts are stressing "Join our team" and "Join our work family" to compensate for working alone most of the time. I think back, filming video with 25 people (even in a cold muddy field in January) was a social event. I really miss it now interacting with a screen all day.

Bring back people!


Entered at Mon Jun 6 15:06:31 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.61)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Recently,a Hammond USA Artist, drove 180 some odd miles each way to play accordion and organ in an Italian Restaurant in Brooklyn on a Friday night in Brooklyn. I kid you not.

Guys with storied careers are just squeaking by. Social Security checks, and old ladies with jobs, homes, and gelt often make it possible. The royalty checks have usually gone from significant amounts of money to borscht.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 12:09:34 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There always used to be a lot of “semi-pro” musicians. I mentioned this before, but a friend’s dad played sax in the dance band at the local dance hall- a large ballroom, playing six nights a week. Nearly all the band went from the ballroom to the railway station, collected the newspapers from the train, drove them round to the newsagents (leaving them in the doorways) and then went to bed. Others taught music to kids after school. One or two worked in music stores. The pianist used to sit in a balcony in a shopping arcade and play standards in the afternoons. I assume either playing six nights a week wasn’t much of a living (it was about a 14 piece band), or they might as well fill their spare time with making a bit of money. That was late 60s, but it was very much an earlier model. They had a fixed place of work. They didn’t travel.

My generation in rock bands had to travel. Semi-pro friends made more out of music than their day jobs, and travel was weekends and some evenings and in a 30 to 40 mile radius. When they went pro, it was often a case of driving 300 miles for £30, and sleeping in the van. In their first pro year, they all said they’d made more money semi-pro, but I suspect that was because semi-pro soul / covers bands worked a lot in those days, but when you went pro and made your first record, prog didn’t earn as much until you picked up enough record sales and radio play. Soul meant ballrooms / large clubs, but early prog meant little clubs or third on the bill on the college circuit.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 09:54:41 CEST 2016 from (210.86.95.103)

Posted by:

Rod

I understand Jeff. I'm not disagreeing with you. Where I come from there is not really a big enough market to employ lots of full time musicians - hardly any actually. There are three camps - the artists who try to make a living selling their own product,the those who make a living around there edges - mostly teaching or working in the supply side (retail, technical support) and the amateurs (that's me). All three camps can make great music - and they can all make some dross. They just finance it differently and have different aspirations. In a small market like NZ most of the better (technically) musicians belong in the second category. On a more global scale it is sad that great musicians struggle to get paid properly for gigs and it's also sad that we may not see the likes of The Band or The Who again. I just can't see any obvious solution. My point was that artists with an established following will end up performing more and maybe recording to entice punters along with the odd new song on youtube. I don't expect that they will may make alot of money selling CDs onsite. Most of my favourite acts hardly release CDs any more - maybe every couple of years at the most. It just ain't worth it I suspect.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 09:10:59 CEST 2016 from (114.75.205.115)

Posted by:

Wallsend

The world is changing and you have to be prepared to change with it if you don't want to get left behind. A few years back, in response to student demand, I adapted the Japanese courses I teach to an online format. Now at my university enrolments in other humanities courses are going down but Japanese is going up. Students love the flexibility of online learning and you can do things in the online environment you cannot do in the classroom. Those in the music business will have to adapt as well. People will always want music so it is a question of finding a new viable business model.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 05:24:39 CEST 2016 from (76.67.12.16)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: another realm where musicians' income is dwindling ...

Here's a link to a nice article about Toronto singer Wayne St. John, whose successful jingle business is on a steep decline - as are those of his competitors. As the article points out, the guy is also a pretty impressive vocalist, as can be glimpsed at 10:36 of part 3 of the "Tears Are Not Enough" video at youtube.com/watch?v=_9XBr3OxTuE. (Watch a bit further and you'll see Richard Manuel's name come up, as he was one of the many singers involved.)

Kevin J: If you caught Domenic Troiano's disco-fusion band of the late '70s, Wayne would have been the frontman.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 04:59:32 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.61)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Rod, i will say this. I've said it before, I've been saying it since i entered here in 2002. The majority of recordings being put out today shouldn't even be getting recorded.And the quality of the majority of recordings is inferior to a good standard.... And then there are some artists and recordings whom they and the material and the recording really would benefit greatly from a fitting producer and better studios and engineers. Which once upon a time would have been readily available, there might have been choices. And the cross pollination effect that existed when there was a music economy also is something that contributed to the development of musicians and songwriters and artists.When there was an economy to support a musical culture the culture thrived. It made everyone better.


Entered at Mon Jun 6 04:10:06 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.61)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Rod, I'm politely responding to the point in your last post about not being sure what i meant in my last post. Before mine that you asked about, you wrote " Artists now need to look at recording new stuff to attract people to their live shows rather than touring to support an album. I don't know if there is money in that - maybe it's just enough to make a reasonable living like the rest of us have to.". You've written often that records support tours today ..I'm aware you have an open mind, and I'm aware that you do occasionally actually indicate that you know you don't know everything, and are questioning. Which is sometimes unique here :-). So I'm just conversing with you. But my point was, there are very few artists in the position of wanting to afford that or the trouble. Look at the Who. If Daltrey is sayign that, well.........

But my point also is that a lot of fine artists that would have been recording years ago, when the industry could afford to develop and support them, can;t really even afford to tour anymore. You say underpaid, i say they ain't even really paid. When guys make a 100 bucks a show, and they may drive 2 hours each way, and they have to maintain their gear, are they even paid? Or are they playing for free, or are they out of pocket? what do guitars or keys, violins cost to own and maintain, what do vehicles cost, to own, maintain, insure? Gas, tolls? I'm producing shows for clubs & artists. It's hair raising, & every one of us on the artists side would make more money walking dogs. So when ANYONE thinks artists now make records to support tours,I gotta ask them, how many gigs till a record goes gold or platinum? I watch my friends try to sell their discs for 10 bucks at their shows. I see their old ladies stick the cds right under peoples noses trying to sell em. There's not enough nights in the year to sell enough discs to go gold or platinum in clubs and bars or small theaters. And grinding it out is for kids, not matured artists. the business end of this is mind boggling, and a few years of doing everything is all anyone could take. And forget doing everything well & still writing completely superior songs and playing superior music at the same time. . Theres' over a dozen different jobs involved, Without money, this cant be done on a solid musical scale with a real band. Just how it is. There has to be money from somewhere. A one or two man show, it;s hard for them. Still the same amount of responsibilities, just lest money that has to be made.But a one or two man act might make a living.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 23:55:01 CEST 2016 from (206.57.79.199)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Sonny Liston

For a gritty look at boxing check out Mark Knopfler's tale of Sonny Liston from Shangri-La.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 23:54:08 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Paul Newman's salad dressing was crap. Bizarre on the TV News watching black churches celebrating Ali. Um, he was a muslim. Still, I know what they mean.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 23:43:52 CEST 2016 from (210.86.95.103)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Jeff

Couldn't really understand what your post was about Jeff. I think you were saying performing musicians are under payed. You're probably right.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 21:37:28 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Foot Note

I forgot to say, among my many books of our heroes in music and sport is a book I've had for many years and refer to often. Muhammad Ali by John Hennessey. It is a good read.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 21:32:33 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Understanding the Origin

It's not hard to understand you at all Jerry. What you have had to put up with from your heritage, (and the fact so many people refuse to be honest in that regard).

It never stops the way we see our governments and others, Australia for example wanting to acknowledge and apologize to their indigenous people for the way they have been treated. There was a talk show debate about this subject on the radio just the other day. (Should governments apologize and does it do any good.) This stemmed from more apologies to First Nations people.

In my mind, there is no amount of apologizing that can change what has gone before. Humanity must learn from it and try as in "Playing for Change" for people to really change their way of thinking regarding humanity. The words, "ethnic cleansing" should never even be heard again.

In much of what I read about the man, Ali in maturing certainly did change his ways of thinking. Many young men of all races exhibit that hatred until the 'knowing" starts to sink in.

If you have ever watched the documentary of "The Rumble in the Jungle" why they felt the need to go back to their roots, and the statement they were making in the doing, going back to Africa. It is an eye opener.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 21:12:03 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.61)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Rod,

So, P(l)ay how many gigs before a record goes platinum today? Yes, it is Pay to play. When venue owners want to pay 100 bucks a player ( no matter who they are), when gigs that pay 200 for people with very heavy itinerarys, discographies, credits, resumes, are hard to come buy and cherished,, when you have 9 piece bands of serious players playing for 450 bucks, it is pay to play.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 20:11:32 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sanitizing

Boxers box and he did it best. I admire that, no question. His connection to hate does not detract from that. He did indeed modify and so did a lot of good afterwards. Sanitizing an obituary...I guess that's the way of the media today. Its 'feel good' and that is OK by me. I don't know what was in his heart regarding humanity after that 60s period. His behaviour for those many years suggests that he let his 60's hate of whites go. He said so (something like - hating any man for his colour is wrong- I paraphrase) and I'll accept that as some kind of apology for a negative heart at one point. I remember Paul Newman for his acting - not for his salad dressing or his politics. But 'media sanitizing' - despite its good intent - doesn't sit well with me. When a long article is written or a TV show is displayed for the masses to consume, it should be 'honest' and 'totally honest'. So, just as they make comments on what good he did (and he did a lot of good), so should the media make comments on what his associations of the mid-60s meant. That would be an honest and complete assessment. I need that from the media. Others may not.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 19:46:59 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Elvis, Ali etc

To be fair Norm you're surely right about the 'King'. I deliberately left him out simply because I was just a few years too young to have experienced myself the impact he had. Whereas with The Beatles and Ali - like many on here - I lived through it.

Jerry - again fair play if the downside - and I'm assuming it's the period of Ali's Malcolm X connection to which you allude - mars how you perceive the man. You speak as you find. As it is, I'm in no sense what I'd term a huge Ali fan myself and prior to Saturday I've not given the fellow a moment's thought in decades. However, my point concerned his worldwide iconic immensity and I will forever be in awe as to how one man can be so amazingly gifted in so many ways and how he could harness those gifts to wield such a worldwide impact. One that I'm sure was overwhelmingly for good and particularly for the good of downtrodden black and ethnic people.

Yet like Norm, it is Ali the supreme sporting specimen that really takes my breath away. If I'm honest the political/social/cultural accompaniments remain just that. Accompaniments. Of course I have my own views on them and they point me to the fact he was overwhelmingly for the greater good. For me and so many others though it is Ali the supreme boxer that has always enchanted and beguiled as the attached brief clip even when past his prime bears unfaltering testimony.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 18:56:20 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Musical Backdrop for your avergae Baby Boomer.....hmmmm!

Al! maybe from your side of the water you can see it that way, however, (and I don't say that I'm right), I'm not sure that stacks up against Elvis Presley.

I recall one time when Michael Jackson was really dominating the music, (and video scene). He came out with that video "Thriller", which of course became huge for him. However statistics I read told that he would have to come out with hits like "Thriller" for 25 years to catch up to Elvis.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 17:57:25 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Float like a butterfly - sting like a bee!

In my estimation we have lost the greatest boxing athlete of our time. At those times when some one says, "Who would you most like to meet", my answer would always be "Mohammed Ali". Would have given anything to shake his hand. I am not an "autograph collector".

The greatest match of our time was The "Rumble in the Jungle". With all respect to George Forman who was great in his own right. Ali took every possible thing George could do and just kept saying to him, 'Is that all you got George?" He beat him physically and mentally.

One more of the greats of our time we have lost this year, how many more?


Entered at Sun Jun 5 16:42:30 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Hooker Jr and David Vest

I saw/heard John Lee Hooker Jr. in Victoria at a small club a number of years ago. He has 3-4 albums out. He was great.

While I'm at it, don't forget to listen to Victoria's own David Vest and his new album.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 16:39:08 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Not the blues singer or his son

The next president: "John Jay Hooker, Jr. (August 24, 1930 – January 24, 2016) was an American attorney, entrepreneur, political gadfly and perennial candidate from Nashville, Tennessee, who was the Democratic nominee for Governor of Tennessee in 1970 and 1998." It was this man who was predicted and whose name resulted in boos according to the prevailing story.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 15:55:45 CEST 2016 from (69.112.112.38)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Night of the Hurricane

Ali actually showed up at one of Dylan's Hurricane Benefits. That is where the famous photo of Dylan and Ali comes from. He did a live feed with Hurricane Carter who was in prison of course. He also introduced some southern politician as the next President. Which got hime booed. One of The Greatest Nights.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 15:48:36 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You're right, Jerry. Hate eats the hater.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 14:54:37 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Hate - emotional cancer

Ali's ambivalence about his 'game' and his take on it are right on the money. I can see it. But the group he joined was filled with hate and though one can understand why anyone might feel as he did at that time (complicity included), it is still hate. And hate is the emotional cancer of humanity.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 14:46:05 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Every blow that laid him low

Yes, I did read the last line, Al. Look at today's Sunday Times - whole front page and a 16 page supplement on Ali (BTW, this means the press were expecting it). L:sat night, BBC1 dropped its schedule for a tribute. Everyone in Britain remembers Ali on the Parkinshow show too.

Al linked the New Yorker, which has exactly the comments I half-recalled.

QUOTE (for those who don't follow links!):

Ali was not blind to the hypocrisies and brutality of the “game” that had been his professional life. The source of his fame was a sport in which race was often an ugly element of its history, a contest in which one man tries to beat another senseless, tries to inflict temporary brain injury (a knockout) on another. Ali reaped millions of dollars from the fight game, and yet he was, at times, ambivalent about that history and the lurid spectacle of one man fighting another, particularly one black man fighting another.

Ali had seen how fighters before him had been sponsored, managed, and exploited by Mafia thugs. He remembered from childhood how Joe Louis’s handlers gave him a set of rules to avoid alienating white America.

“They stand around and say, ‘Good fight, boy: you’re a good boy; good goin’,” Ali said, in 1970. “They don’t look at fighters to have brains. They don’t look at fighters to be businessmen, or human, or intelligent. Fighters are just brutes that come to entertain the rich white people. Beat up on each other and break each other’s noses, and bleed, and show off like two little monkeys for the crowd, killing each other for the crowd. And half the crowd is white. We’re just like two slaves in that ring. The masters get two of us big old black slaves and let us fight it out while they bet: ‘My slave can whup your slave.’ That’s what I see when I see two black people fighting.” It was almost as if Ali, at the height of his fame, was hinting that we were all complicit in something fallen and dubious, even as we were rooting him on.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 14:30:26 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Hate

I guess what I'm saying is that I cannot 'whitewash' the past. I do acknowledge it when someone says 'I'm sorry for what I have said or done' and then one can try to forgive... but forgetting hate (or in some cases (not his) cruelty ) is impossible.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 14:24:37 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Transcending perspective

Al: I appreciate the point you make. You note The Beatles and I agree. But when hate enters the picture, a new reality exists.

These icons are human. There are others who have existed on this planet whose name is known by all. I won't speak their names but you know who they are. Some in the past were beloved for a while by a nation. One is even living now and everyone knows who he is as he continues to rise via the media in the public consciousness.

Transcending perspective is not possible for me. It may be a fool's reasoning, but I can't and don't forget.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 12:53:12 CEST 2016 from (83.249.137.42)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania nortrthwest
Web: My link

Subject: Norbert: "That famous piece of asphalt between Paris and to the South, ‘Le Route Du Soleil’"

A piece of guestbook history (WHICH PETER V STILL SEEMS TO REFUSE TO DOCUMENT!)

I don't have this email from Norbert anymore but it is still in my heart. Something like this: "... funny, I got the idea to my Band guestbook from your humble site..." Thank you very much Norbert. The site is not on-line anymore but I have a few pictures in the site I created for gbers just for this historical purpose. http:\\citroensoleil.123minsida.se or The link. Any "Norbertologist" shoul take a look in what inspired Norbert to save this place to all of us.

Sorry Peter, it was posted here and not in your The Band Guestbook History. Blame yourself. ;-)


Entered at Sun Jun 5 10:58:38 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

I’ll give you this Jerry – you’ve never once to my knowledge forsaken your principles regarding the whole notion of ‘absolutes’ and perspective.

I recall our e-mail discussions from nigh 20 years ago on the very subject. For you there’s never been a ‘best’ or ‘greatest’. A sense of perspective were your watchwords back then – even in respect of ‘Big Pink’ and The Brown album – and it would seem you’ve not wavered since. So kudos to you and who really can argue against the fact that such a stance in normal circumstances has a huge amount to commend it, especially amidst a media/popular opinion onslaught fixated with the notion of 'who's best'?

The problem in maintaining that perspective when addressing unprecedented worldwide phenomena such as The Beatles and the force of nature that was Muhammad Ali is the sheer uniqueness of the ‘force’ they constituted and constituted them.

When you reflect upon the fact that at one time Muhammad Ali was the most famous person on earth and that some 30 odd years after his last fight he is still known by nigh every man, woman and child and revered by a large proportion of them from impoverished beggars to world leaders, it’s surely kind of telling us all that normal circumstances have long left the building and that in such context the usual considerations and perspectives are rendered obsolete.

Of course, in Ali’s case as with The Beatles, it doesn't mean there weren't downsides to these icons. There always are. With Muhammad Ali, the cruel taunting of opponents most notably Joe Frazier was often despicable, despite the mitigation that it was invariably merely a tactic to gain advantage in the forthcoming contest.

Like it or not though, Ali's peerless iconic immensity – as with the fab four – surely negates any efforts to apply perspective. These guys were simply off the charts when it comes to the usual perspective analysis. Or attempts at comparisons. So much did they transcend their peers from any walk of life in how they impacted upon world consciousness. Attempting to rationalise them and their impact by any normal criteria is surely a fools errand. And as with most on this GB you are far from that Jerry lad.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 10:41:57 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Tom's - or is it Jerry's - new album

From your comments and the reviews it seems like it's a must buy/listen Pete.

BTW Pete, did you read the final para of the New Yorker article I linked? Must have been an amazingly poignant moment for all present including the travelling minstrel.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 10:09:32 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Poor eyesight

I mentioned Pul Simon's new album "Stranger to Stranger" more than once as "Stranger than Strange". I got the latter from a pre-announcement somewhere and thought it so apposite that it stuck even through listening to the album and title track several times. But it is Stranger to Stranger. Pity, the wrong title was better. Yesterday's 5 star review in the Telegraph is even more fulsome than the 5 star review in the Guardian the day before. Yes, it's that good. Annoyingly, the Telegraph has just switched to subscription views only - especially irritating for me as I always read its theatre reviews online.


Entered at Sun Jun 5 05:55:01 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.204)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Muhammad ALi brought to mind BLind Boy Paxton. Black Muslim ibrings to mind the Black Cajun Jew.

Jerry, you asked me a coupe of times about new or newish Brooklyn bands that i like.the last time was a few weeks ago. I wrote you a long answer almost right away, that i did not have time to finish. Or edit. then a week or so later i added to it. Still never read it through to find msitakes, poor writing, confusing ir unclear statements. but, i recall that one thinG i wrote was that there are talented performers, and a lot of talent. Which solo, or in a band, is very different than bands than i like. And I worote about Blind Boy PAxton, Hubby Jenkins, and Ethan Leinwald.

the link is to an article about Blind Boy Paxton. He was born in Lops Angeles, to a family of Black Cajun Jews from Louisiana. Keeps Kashruth as much as he can, and bakes rugelach.

He;s one of the good ones.

There is also Hubby Jenkins, another very talented young man with A LOT OF POTENTIAL. Hubby is a Brooklyn native, a solo performer, and a member of the Carolina Chocolate Drops.

Ethan Leinwald is a "blues piano preservationist", or something like that. YOung guy, moved form Connecticut to StLouis to immerse himslef in the spirits of Walter Davis. Roosevelt sykes, Scott Joplin, James Crutchfield, Henry Townsend, Johnnie Johnson,,others. He hit StLouis afetr i left in 2013, Anyway he manages to get to Brooklyn to perform solo and to collaborate with people regularly. Ethan has a lot of talent & potential too.

all thAT SAID, A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT GOT REALIZED YEARS AGO, WOULD NEVER HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITES OF DEVELOPMENT TODAY. i;VE DISCUSSED IT FOR YEARS, I DISCUSSED IT AGAIN IN THE POST I WROTE AND DID NOT POST. nO time to go through it now.

I'm leavingh all my typosd in honor of Norm. Norm, you shoudl feel comfortable when you return.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 18:26:24 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Life, death, and the media

The good, the bad, and the ugly. Glorifying a life and conveniently forgetting what is bad and ugly. I guess it makes us a little more comfortable. The media does it best. It requires an ounce or two of patience. I try to never forget the totality of a man's life to keep perspective.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 17:54:38 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cassius Clay

As most know, Mr. Dylan has had a positive relationship with boxing. It goes back to the 60s

Not 'Visions of Johanna' but fun!

" I Shall Be Free No. 10"

"I was shadow-boxing earlier in the day

I figured I was ready for Cassius Clay

I said "Fee, fie, fo, fum, Cassius Clay here I come

26, 27, 28, 29, I'm gonna make your face look just like mine

Five, four, three, two, one, Cassius Clay you'd better run

99, 100 101, 102, your ma won't even recognize you

14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, gonna knock him clean right out of his spleen"


Entered at Sat Jun 4 17:50:23 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The uppity N

Ali 1966 - An uppity, draft-dodging Islamist. But, of course, a corageous, highly intelligent and highly principled hero. I suppose there's been some decent progress since then - makes me wonder if the black lives matter leaders will be seen as heroes in 20 years. And those that disrupt Trump rallies; like the heroes that disrupted Mussolini rallies in the 20's.

Perhaps the lesson is to attempt to view the present from the POV of a place some years in the future; it's an old story I think.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 17:13:36 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Un Belle Histoire

Bill, Michel Fugain’s "Un Belle Histoire" is a song wrapped in a blanket full of nostalgia and melancholy. It’s 1972 the hippie era, melancholy, men walk with ‘elephants’ pants ….. women wear wide Indian dresses, refuse to wear bra’s anymore and the whole BRA industry implodes like a plum pudding.
The front man of this procession is the drum major of the new age; Michel Fugain.
The song; a girl travels up to the North, a man travels to the South. ... they meet at a grizzled gas station .... look each other deep in the eyes and make love in the wheat field next door. .... come back out of the field again, give each other the hand and say; "That wasn't too bad..."
This is free love in practice, but there's more to it. .... this song is not only a homage to free love but also an homage to that famous piece of asphalt between Paris and to the South, ‘Le Route Du Soleil’. ... it’s a song about nostalgia but at the same time it is a French time document, an observation of an era a photo for all Band fans.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 17:09:44 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Bill, I know you don’t care about credits, that’s why I often use your older posts (only to keep Peter awake). Love your French, but that’s ok (you've posted this before too).


Entered at Sat Jun 4 14:14:56 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I'm so fast that last night I turned off the light switch in my hotel room and was in bed before the room was dark

My own favourite amongst a litany of his amazing sayings - half of them hilarious, half profound.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 14:02:25 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Muhammad Ali - the Greatest

If it was The Beatles that provided the musical worldwide backdrop for your average baby boomer then it was Ali who did the same in a worldwide sporting sense - and so much more besides.

Of course, white folks cannot begin to envisage just how much more the man meant, nay, symbolized to your average black person.

Still, the linked article is certainly a decent attempt at beginning to represent the magnitude of this uniquely incredible man.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 13:47:34 CEST 2016 from (86.171.25.33)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Dave Swarbrick

So sorry to hear of death of Dave Swarbrick. Although I knew he was ill, got a bit of a shock when I read that, Peter.

Still play 'Unhalfbricking' and 'Liege and Lief' regularly. Great albums.

Love Dave's fiddle on 'Si Tu Dois Partir' - one of the great covers of Dylan. Still remember being enchanted by this song, when I first saw it on Top of the Pops about one hundred years ago.

Away to watch three year olds play football. When Saturday comes!


Entered at Sat Jun 4 10:33:07 CEST 2016 from (210.86.95.103)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Roger Daltrey kind of echos me.

unfortunately Roger is right. Whats the point in recording an album thats going to be ripped off on YouTube or paid a pitance for via streaming. I know that there are some of us older folk who will still buy CDs or legally download entire albums but we are an ever increasing minority. As I have said before though the model has changed. Artists now need to look at recording new stuff to attract people to their live shows rather than touring to support an album. I don't know if there is money in that - maybe it's just enough to make a reasonable living like the rest of us have to.

The worry is that there will be less great music created. My solace is that there is a lot of great recorded music that I have not heard yet.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 08:55:51 CEST 2016 from (92.22.73.169)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Muhammad Ali

RIP Muhammad Ali. I always loved the Greg Trooper song about Ali.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 08:53:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

… and Mohamed Ali. The last time I was ever interested in boxing was Ali. When you look at most of these boxers, the conclusion has to be to ban boxing. I know gladiatorial contests always appeal … my son teaches martial arts and has every level of black belt … but you score points in boxing with hard blows to the head. That has to be wrong.


Entered at Sat Jun 4 00:33:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Another one gone. RIP Dave Swarbrick, a great and influential violinist. I last saw him a couple of years ago with Martin Carthy. Also a fine raconteur.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 23:23:00 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.204)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Love / Trump

Of course Mike Love is endorsing Donald Trump.

More sensibly: Brian Wilson is performing Pet Sounds in Brooklyn, with Al Jardine & Blondie Chaplin in the band.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 22:42:47 CEST 2016 from (68.171.246.159)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: bridge over troubled enunciation

Peter V: Good to hear that Paul Simon's back at the top of his game.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 17:50:35 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Paul Simon

Stranger Than Strange- 5 stars in today's Guardian. "Best since Graceland" competes with "Best ever". It is an extraordinary album, right up with new sounds too. Incredible rhythms. Lyrics are as ever, as good as you get.

The voice is improved over 5 or 6 years ago. Then he was developing a slight "slush" on some words, very tiny, but I noticed it. A lot of older singers get it. I suspect expensive dental work since. Anyway, it's back to normal. And he articulates lyrics more clearly than anyone.

5 stars is an under-statement.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 17:18:28 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.204)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Good one Pete.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 16:55:39 CEST 2016 from (68.171.246.26)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert: Close, but my notes of the discussion make it clear that Charles' words were "Ma chanson n'est pas une chanson, c'est un photo". This was picked up by Vigneault and turned into his brilliant, "Mon pays n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver". (He failed to credit any of us, but that's okay.)


Entered at Fri Jun 3 13:18:48 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.222)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Paul Simon continues to do that great work

A marvel: Paul Simon continues to write and sing and perform . The new album is a pleasure in all the ways that Paul Simon has always made his albums a pleasure. I don't know quite what happens to some vocal cords as they age (nodules,narrowing, etc) but Paul Simon sounds like he has always sounded and that is good. And the world rhythms are still there and the nuances of the music combined with his voice make this group of songs something special.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 13:03:07 CEST 2016 from (87.144.161.153)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: La Boheme d'Aznavour

La belle epoque, Paris 1900 wedged between two world wars, exciting new inventions every week. A unbridled provincial travels to Montmartre. How did a record store look like in 1900? One thing is still the same; you go in through the front door and ask the man behind the counter: "Pour moi si vous plaid: La Boheme d'Aznavour". He takes the order on 33 blistering carbon papers …. shouts through a hole in the wall to the back room, "La Boheme!" and there, there in that little room is a band ready to play. And they play their heart out for you…..you wait 4 min and 51sec. and you will walk away with a unique, only pressed for you version of La Boheme. That's all in Aznavour’s song.
What’s interesting of this typical French chanson; it’s a Polaroid, it is a story told. We see in the beginning an artist arrive in Paris ….. we see his Studio appear ….. we see the nude women that pose for him…….and as that polaroid, just like a real polaroid, is fully developed at the end, the song is over.... "La chanson c'est un photo" as Aznavour once told me.
A chanson is poetry and nostalgia meets song. The French word ‘lyric’ holds the music instrument already, music and poetry are intertwined Bill.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 12:17:40 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, if you're thinking of such a one as a rock star as well, "Star-with-six-points" might do.


Entered at Fri Jun 3 08:47:15 CEST 2016 from (173.3.51.204)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Lighten this place up.

I was thinking of a good name for a fictional Native American Orthodox Jew & cane up with Schlomo Flowing Payahs.......... From there it was just a step to Canadian Native Indian Jews & Chaim Two Rs. Steve is laughing in the spirit world.


Entered at Thu Jun 2 18:06:19 CEST 2016 from (24.85.174.91)

Posted by:

Giles

Location: Coast Salish Territory
Web: My link

Subject: God Bless Charlie Watts

Also, Charlie Watts is 75 today! God bless that man. Follow the link above to find out at least one reason why.


Entered at Thu Jun 2 17:28:48 CEST 2016 from (24.85.174.91)

Posted by:

Giles

Location: Coast Salish Territory
Web: My link

Subject: Band tribute in Vancouver

Check the link above, tribute show next Friday June 10 here in Vancouver (the Canadian one!) Cubby-Hole Artists presents... *** A TRIBUTE TO the BAND *** Featuring: Khari McClelland + Rich Hope + Lydia Hol + Dustin Bental + Kalissa Landa and Ashley Grant - Evangeline + Kenton Lowen + Karina Morin + The Paperboys. All backed up by Acadian Driftwood, featuring: Scott Smith, Eric Nielsen, Tom Landa, Darryl Havers and Liam MacDonald June 10, 2016 at IMPERIAL (319 Main St.) What time the doors open: 7:30 What time the show starts: 8:00 Ticket Price Advance: 20 Ticket Price Door: 25 Where to Purchase Tickets: Highlife, Red Cat, Zulu + www.ticketweb.ca


Entered at Thu Jun 2 17:04:44 CEST 2016 from (70.193.166.64)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Who

I believe three different CSI spin-off shows used Who songs in their openings. All three are still aired in syndication in addition, GM is using an instrumental section of a Who song in a pickup truck ad that has constantly been aired for the past year on almost every TV network.


Entered at Thu Jun 2 11:01:55 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On the other hand …

I have observed concession stands at gigs closely the last few years. New artists with a new album (like Fay Hield) shift loads at gigs. But when you look at (let’s call them politely) “heritage artistes” the pattern is different. Take the Manfreds gig this year. Everyone was buying their “Greatest Hits Live” double CD, but there was far less interest in solo new albums, or recent albums of new material. This is the pattern for heritage artistes, so their best bet is “Live last year with the same band doing the stuff you know, love and have already” (a great CD title).


Entered at Thu Jun 2 10:38:31 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Who's next cancelled

Roger Daltrey interview: of course he’s right, though the article itself displays the worst of the internet. It’s very short, but three times a Ford UK advert took over and I found myself looking at pictures of vans, and trying to get out. This annoys the viewer in reference to Ford, as a few years ago loads of Russian fake posts with links took you to Audi and VW dealers. You just think, well, screw Ford, Audi and VW.

Anyway, Daltrey is right, though The Who are in a rare position of being able to do something about it. Pete Townsend has his own studio, and I thought it was commercially rentable level rather than in the garage. As the classic Who sound is guitar, bass and drums, with later a touch of keyboards, it’s not like recording a string section or a horn section. Also Townsend apparently demos stuff to quite a near-finished level, so it’s not like The Stones composing in the studio for days.

They could do it, and just sell it at gigs. How many people will see them this summer? They’re playing huge festivals. They could sell a lot of CDs direct. The current folk guys in the UK have own labels and are happy to stuff CDs in envelopes and stand in line to mail them, but The Who could afford to use a mail order distributor. My distributor overheads for DVDs are 20% and they take orders, mail them and send one account a month to me. That’s a reasonable cut, better than giving amazon 50%. You could still give stores an old-fashioned 33% because you could dictate your own terms. Take it or leave it. They could afford to set up their own website with a shop (and pay someone to warehouse and mail them). You could in the words of Paul Kantner "Hijack the starship" and bypass the system, and it would be good to see someone like The Who doing it. Isn't that why Paul McCartney works with Starbucks rather than EMI?

But it’s a lot of effort, and they’re all older than me. I take his point entirely.


Entered at Thu Jun 2 01:42:18 CEST 2016 from (67.84.76.254)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Roger Daltrey kind of echos me.

See the linked article. Daltrey simplifies & summarizes what I've been discussing in far more detail & with far greater scope than he. Also, we have reached different conclusions.I disagree with not making records though I do see & have certainly felt the incisive futility of it. I do certainly understand the refusal to work without getting paid, & the refusal to pay to play. Yet, he & Townshend have the ability to go out , tour, & make a living. Roger is used to recording with expansive budgets. If they went in prepped, The Who could make a record more economically at high levels of quality, than most. They have the experience. Pf course, then there's a lot more expense & responsibility & a whole new business enterprise that would result if they decided to open their own label, rather than let a label perform modern music industry surgery on em. Which is worse than B.D. ( before digital)music industry surgery.


Entered at Wed Jun 1 18:43:18 CEST 2016 from (83.249.161.239)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: BTW Bourgeios Town for those who like rockin' Dylan

The sound is there, isn't it.


Entered at Wed Jun 1 17:37:46 CEST 2016 from (83.249.161.239)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mike Nomad's post

On a serious side. - Illuminati has hang-around clubs just like criminal motorycle gangs. After WW2 my father was a succesful in economics and these people tried to get him to join. He refused, which made him potentially dangerous. All went well until we moved to a "bourgoise" town which was controlled by them. I was a kid and didn't undertand it then. Now I do. My father was afraid of them. They ruined his career and later on he took his life. He always blamed himself because he ruined even my future in this "bourguise" town, which I left for forty five years ago. Lucky for me, tough. Funny thing is that these hang-around people _still_ control the town when I was there earlier this year. - A burning cigarette was placed in the air-condition of my car. Just to remind, I guess.


Entered at Wed Jun 1 17:28:57 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Most Famous Unknown BAND!

I got home for one day! Jerry and Kevin you behave like very kind gentlemanly fellows......You can't fool me...I know better!...:-)........from last time I was here.

You guys take a look at this band! I bet you didn't even know some of these people do what they are doing here.


Entered at Wed Jun 1 16:16:34 CEST 2016 from (174.88.216.51)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Has anyone joined up with the Illuminati yet?


Entered at Wed Jun 1 10:37:23 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: A song for Wednesday

This one's for Bill M, Al Edge and Norbert.

Al will remember it best, I suspect. This was what we had in Britain in those days.

A taxi driver told me a story about the singer. He used to live in Bournemouth, about a mile away from here. The taxi took him from the station to his home and stated the fare.

"I've never paid for a taxi" the very famous singer said, "They all take me free."

"OK," said the driver, "So you sing me all three verses of the song (linked above) and the ride's free."

The singer declined and handed over the fare.


Entered at Wed Jun 1 06:09:47 CEST 2016 from (74.12.48.215)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert: Scanning Al E's posts over the past few days reminds me of when we first met him standing at the side of the road in southwest Holland. Apparently he'd been kicked off the Magic Bus from Amsterdam to London for his over-exuberant behaviour. With us he was okay at first as long as we kept him off the topic of soccer, but then he started to go on and on about this great cassette he had - "Bruce 'n' Rosie", I believe it was called. He had the damned thing with him and insisted on playing it for us. This might have been okay had he not simply yanked Kevin J's copy of "Nashville Skyline" out of the tape deck mid-song. I thought there was going to be blood on the upholstery, but we got them settled down - no thanks to Mike, who pretended to be asleep. Good times!


Entered at Wed Jun 1 03:50:03 CEST 2016 from (24.69.0.104)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: 3 Amigos. Hope this works.

/Users/carlgraham/Desktop/That Magical Session On Stoney Lake With Ronnie Hawkins, Gordon Lightfoot & Kris Kristofferson — Ptb.webarchive


[See the guestbook archive for more]


[History] [Members] [Library] [Discography] [Videography] [Filmography] [Pictures] [Audio Files] [Video Clips] [Tape Archive] [Concerts] [Related Artists] [Merchandise] [Guestbook] [Chat Room] [Search] [What's New?] [Main Page]

Webmaster