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Entered at Fri Jan 24 10:53:08 CET 2020 from ti0168a400-2009.bb.online.no (85.167.138.224)

Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Fender photos

There are many...


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Fender

The Fender bass photos were most likely taken at Columbia Studios, NYC on November 30, 1965, which was at a session with the Hawks (minus Levon, who had left a day or two earlier)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Fender

I believe the bass photo was done by Fender along with Stratocaster photos for publicity.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Bob & Bass

I thought I read somewhere that that Rick used that bass on the Dylan tours. There are pics of Rick playing a Jazz bass with the Hawks but it doesn't have the chrome guard over the pickup and it looks more beat up.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Looking around a bit, I see Lesley Duncan was on Ringo's "Goodnight Vienna" - as were Band members. Small world.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

That explains it Peter. Spot on. Never knew about the French ep.

Saw the John and Yoko print. That’s my favourite street in Scotland.

Thanks Bill M. I’m not a big expert on Lesley Duncan, but always knew the two famous songs. Taken by Alzheimer’s far too young.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: I Want You EP

Link to a site with a picture of the French EP. French EPs are becoming very collectable. First they had good cover art, and also the French branch of EMI (Odeon) used to package two singles as an EP insted of issuing singles. I have a whole strip of them on the wall. The titles help. I like "Surfin; With The Searchers" not usually listed as a surf group, and Keep On Running by Spencer Davis Group, with "Special Jerk" on a title strip over the drummer. Then there's Les Beatles with hangman's nooses.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bob & bass

I’ll explain the artistic licence, Dunc. There’s a famous photo of Dylan with a Fender bass guitar. It’s also the cover picture of the French EP of “I Want You” which I have on my office wall (one of twenty EPs in hanging plastic display things as used in secondhand stores). Not only that, I have a drawing based on the picture of Dylan with bass by Charlotte Farmer. It was a limited edition print. The shop where I bought it had John & Yoko in the same style. As soon as I saw Bob on the wall, I went back to buy the John & Yoko but it had gone. You can see the John & Yoko on … guess what? Edinburghart dot com. It’s “out of stock”


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Thanks for the feedback and extra info - on the Edinburgh show and Lesley Duncan. I agree with you re the inclusion of "Get Up Jake", but I can see why they would have held it back since "Across The Great Divide". The presence of GUJ would have added fuel to the speculation that the ATGD line is "Get yourself upright, and bring your children down to the riverside" rather than "Get yourself a bride …". (We can leave aside the matter of how a sepia-toned public would have reacted to such an open call to bring one's children to one's wedding.)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Don’t know any of these bands, Nux. Although I did see Blondie Chaplin with the Stones..

A slightly older friend attended the Edinburgh concert, Bill M, with his younger brother now sadly deceased, and we were talking about the concert earlier in the year. He is a great Dylan fan and feels disappointed that he didn’t like the change in Dylan at the time - Music he now loves, whereas his brother loved every part of the show. My friend is now a leading Scottish artist and he did an etching of tithe audience of the show. There is a bit of artistic licence in the etching in that he gives Dylan a bass guitar and the words of I Want You are etched into the print. But as an historical record, the make up of the crowd is interesting. Many people in the audience are older and not a pop/rock crowd.

Drug of choice up here was always, alcohol. Sounds a great teacher, Bill M. Didn’t know that about Kiki Dee, Bill M, but she certainly did backing vocals for Kiki Dee. When reading about Lesley Duncan, many people covered her work and over 150 artists have covered Love Song.

There is a Canadian link in that Neil Young and Elton John do a version of Love Song for a Bridge School benefit. If you google, you’ll get it on YouTube, but it is not a great recording. I think you and John D would find it interesting.

And there is a Band link. There is great musicianship on the first two albums and I have read a couple of times that the use of organ was influenced by the Band.

Enjoying exploring the music still, but if I could only take one album to the desert island, it would still be the Brown Album. If I could make one difference to the Brown Album, it would be that Get Up Jake would be on the original. I play the remastered CD just now.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dag B: Richard Alderton's a good thought, though I would expect a guy in that job to have been more attentive to the needs of the main attraction. Richard Manuel, maybe not so much. Of course, to a large degree that's retrojecting the later man onto his earlier self.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Richard?

The Richard might be Richard Alderson, the sound guy. Link: "Bob Dylan - The 1966 Live Recordings: The Untold Story Behind The Recordings"


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Posted by:

Bill M

In other news, I've returned to the Dylan / Hawks tour of 1966, specifically the Edinburgh and Manchester shows. I'd listened to both before Christmas, but found them so contrasty that I wanted to re-absorb them. Edinburgh is musically and sonically relatively cheerly and light, whereas Manchester is dark and looming from the get-go. What made it so? Was it the sound? The musicians' state of mind? The miking? Anyway, it wasn't the audience - lots of jeering in both (unlike many shows), and while Dylan didn't get called Judas at Edinburgh, he was told to go home by one guy, loudly growly at unintelligibly by what sounded like a caber-tossing Highlander, and then told to go to Vietnam by a third, all in quick succession. "One Too Many Mornings" was notable for a wild, unintelligible shriek by Bob himself, and LARS started with the loudest possible thwack! from Mickey Jones. And just before the start of BTM, the real production number where Bob moved to piano, you hear Bob saying "Richard?" off-mike, then "Richard?" off-mike, then "Richard" on-mike. What on earth did Bob want? Did he want Richard to wake up, or to stop talking to the roadie, or to get back onstage, or to remove that mess from the piano bench, or to play piano this time? So many possibilities - do any of you know the truth?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Nux: Thanks - Brother, not Junior, Fataar. His name must've come up in relation to the Beach Boys in the early '70s or else I wouldn't have heard of him. Post-Beach Boys, I remember spotting one of the Fataars, likely Ricky, backing Tim Finn in a post-Split Enz video. Maybe "There's A Fraction Too Much Friction"; I imagine said Fataar was on the record too.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I saw Blondie Chaplin a few months ago as part of Brian Wilson's current touring lineup. He still sounds and plays great. Super high energy.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: For Your Precious Love

I just listened to the Flames’ take followed by Jerry “The Iceman” Butler’s. Both memories are rekindled and both still shiver me timbers. I think my intro to the Flames was similar to Bill M’s; it was quite a few years after that LP came out, maybe into the 80’s. Did Richard M ever take a swing at that song?


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Posted by:

NUX

Subject: THE FLAMES

BILL M

The band was originally formed in 1963 by guitarist Steve Fataar, bassist Brother Fataar (real name Edries Fataar), drummer George Faber and guitarist Eugene Champion. However, this line-up would only be together to record a couple of songs. Ricky Fataar replaced George Faber as the band's drummer around 1964 and Edries Fredericks replaced Eugene Champion as the guitarist. Baby Duval briefly replaced Edries Fredericks in 1967, although it is unclear whether he was involved in any of the recordings that were released. Blondie Chaplin then replaced Baby Duval in 1967. This was to be the line-up from 1967 until their demise as a group in 1970

Steve Fataar has confirmed that Baby Duval is featured as a performer on the Flames second album That's Enough, which was released in early 1967. Steve passed away in January 2020.

In 1970, they recorded the only non-Beach Boys album on the Brother records label, produced by Carl Wilson under the name "The Flame" (to avoid confusion with James Brown's The Famous Flames) In 1972 Ricky Fataar and Blondie Chaplin joined The Beach Boys.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Nux: Thanks for sharing about Steve Fataar. I became aware of Blondie and the Fataars when Holland came out. I don't know that I heard of Flame until I fell in with a couple of big Beach Boys fans in late '74. And the first that any of us heard of the Flames, or knew that they had recorded in SA much earlier was a couple years later when I found the cover (and only the cover) of the (a?) Flames LP on an SA label in a Sally Ann thrift shop. I looked through hundreds of coverless LPs in the bins, but no match. Was there a Junior Fataar as well?


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Posted by:

Peter V

It's a weird price, £1.49 … Soulfire is £8.99. The unusual thing for iTunes is you can hear vinyl surface noise on the start of Purple Haze from Burning Soul, so it's been taken from a record, not master tape. I'm really enjoying it after all these years … the set list is much what my friends' soul band did.


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Posted by:

NUX

Subject: THE FLAMES

Wow Peter,that pricing(amazon)is truly ridiculous!! Burning Soul and Soulfire are great albums.I think Ricky Fataar was 10 or 12 years old when they recorded this(I could be exaggerating).You can hear his innocent little voice on some of the songs.The real treasure though is the album of originals titled"See The Light" produced by Carl Wilson(I think)I don't have a copy but it is on youtube...amazing stuff.


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Posted by:

Peter v

But on iTunes Store the entire album of Burning Soul is an unprecedented £1.49! Downloading now.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Phew! Just looked on amazon uk and the only release available by The Flames is a 2-0n-1 CD of Burning Soul / Soulfire … only one for sale … at £358! Yes, no decimal points. £358.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Flame (s) takes me back to 1971 when I was teaching with a South African guy who had a Flames collection, and we used to listen to them a lot … also because of the Beach Boys connections. He'd been in a band before he left SA and said his band and most of his friends' bands did mainly did Beach Boys and Jan & Dean songs so understood Blondie and Ricky joining The Beach Boys. I don't think i've seen a Flames album secondhand in the UK, though "Burning Soul" was issued here. Maybe they'll be like Rodriguez and get discovered here at last. I don't think I've heard any since 1971.


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Posted by:

nux

Subject: RIP Steve Fataar

Steve Fataar – semi-legendary South African musician, once in the Flames (known thereafter, if briefly, for international release as the Flame), certainly one of the great SA rock ’n’ soul groups – group members Blondie Chaplin and Steve’s brother Ricky Fataar went on to lend their considerable chops to the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, the Rolling Stones, The Band, Rick Danko, Bonnie Raitt, the Rutles and even Skollie - Steve, whose is the voice introducing Blondie at the beginning of the Flames’ iconic For Your Precious Love, came back to Durban where he has been a huge and wise musical influence to many local players for many years … a truly lovely man.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 20:43:46 CET 2020 from 178.80-203-82.nextgentel.com (80.203.82.178)

Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: The Queen Says "No" To Pot-Smoking FBI Members

They're making a new film from the "Let It Be" footage (see link) so that's probably the next Beatles release.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Drug-crazed? A surprise. Glad you got through it without lasting harm, or certainly so it seems. As for Lesley Duncan, didn't she write a beautiful song that Kiki Dee had a hit with? On Elton's label, I believe. And as for "Maxwell And The Sacred Hammer", I can't help but see it as a great song to type to on Fridays (which is when my grade 9 typing teacher played records she deemed suitable for typing to). "Bad Moon Rising" was another, even if it lacked a line-ending 'ding'. Mrs Stevenson may have had grey hair, but she had good taste in music. Probably the most useful course I took in five years of highschool (and the first three years of university.)

Peter V: I'm sure the son thanks you for not having found inspiration in Elton's "Levon".

Note to Dag: My first paragraph inspires me to suggest that someone with technical skills and a love for both the Band and the Beatles could do one heck of a mash-up with Maxwell and Daniel and their sacred tools.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Giles Martin? Chronologically moving on, it would be Let It Be, but they did Let It Be- Naked so there isn't much scope. I'd guess they'd work back … Revolver next, then Rubber Soul. But as they go back, with fewer tracks, there is less to play with every time.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Elton Book

My wife never ever reads music bios. Elton was her first and she loved it!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V

Peter have you heard anything about what might be Giles Martin's next project? I'm hoping it will be Rubber Soul. He could make it a twofer and do Revolver as well.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Elton book

It was half price in Tesco or one of other big supermarkets last week.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Old and tired

Actually, Wallsend, I feel old and tired after the three nights babysitting, I have just completed.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Check out Lesley Duncan’s version of Love Song, Wallsend. Wish I had been at the concert. The early albums are great ...and I had neglected them for years.Thanks.

I was thinking about your thoughts relating to Bobbie Gentry, Peter when I was reading about Lesley Duncan. She also didn’t like to dress as she was expected to when she was a sixties singer and it put her off. She had a following when she became a singer songwriter, but the hit album like the hit single eluded her. She retired to Mull...you could do worse...but died too young with Alzheimer’s. I’ll get the Elton book. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I saw Elton John last week. He seemed old and tired but did his best to put on a good show. I still love the early albums.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, have you read "Me" by Elton John? It's an extremely good read and very honest and in places very funny.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I’ve recounted this before. I also would probably put Daniel first among Elton John songs, maybe Tiny Dancer though. When my oldest son was born in 1978 the midwife said “Daniel, like the song.” I hadn’t thought about it, but I said “Maybe.” She said “I Iove the Elton John song.” I said, “So do I, but actually I was thinking of Daniel & The Sacred Harp” by The Band.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Anglicana

Hi Northwestcoaster. Some very interesting posts recently.

I’m firmly in the world of Anglicana just now, so last five played.

Not played Elton John for years, but have returned to the early Elton John - such a great singer songwriter. I went off him during the drug crazed years.

Elton John Elton John. To me Your song is still as brilliant as ever.

Elton John Don’t Shoot Me I’m Only The Piano Player. Daniel might be my favourite Elton John song.

The Beatles Abbey Road Played this brilliant album over and over. Maxwell’s Silver Hammer is a piece of brilliance - often by passed.

Paul McCartney and Wings Wild Life

Lesley Duncan - Sing Children Sing. You may not know of her, but you’ll probably have her as a backing singer from Dark Side of the Moon to Dusty Springfield to Dave Clark Five. Started off as a sixties pop girl the reinvented herself as a singer songwriter. Supported by Bowie and Elton John, but couldn’t get the hit. I think Chain of Love and Love Song are two of the great English songs from a singer songwriter.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Nice review, Peter. Too bad though about Jonas Fjeld. Coincidentally, I'll be seeing Eric Andersen at a club tomorrow night. I used to see him perform here all the time in the 90s/00s, but it's been ages. I'm sure when he sings Blue River it will stir fond memories of Rick and DFA.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Judy Collins review

Not many shows start at 5 p.m. on Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to be the “Winter Stories” album tour with the great Norwegian folk singer, Jonas Fjeld - of Danko / Fjeld / Anderson. He had to drop out because of family illness, which disappointed me … they work so well together on the album. But a Judy Collins show is always superb, and at 79 she still has that magic voice.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Reference

Sure Peter.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Norm, can I add that as a comment on the review? The reference stuff online doesn't go beyond "British Columbia"


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Trap

Peter the old steam tug boat "Master" in the movie was manned by my older brother Buddy and other tow boat guys out of Gibson's. That part of the filmed was on location around Bowen Island in Howe Sound. The rest of the film in snow and forest was filmed at Birkenhead Lake Park between Pemberton and Lillouette.

I saw the film at the old theater in Port Alice in '66. The plot was that the trapper accidently stepped in a trap when threatened by a bear. After getting loose and making his way back to his cabin his wife "Rita Tushingham" had to cut his foot off.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Trap

The 1960s film retrospectives series continues with The Trap from 1966. Starring Oliver Reed and Rita Tushingham … and a canoe, some snow and some wolves, a bear and a cougar basically. Set in British Columbia, Reed is a fur trapper known as La Bete, and Tushingham is the mute wife he has purchased.


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Posted by:

Georgia

Dag, I love it.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Foxes & Fossils

I forgot to mention this band and I'm wondering if anyone has watched their youtube videos? These people are incredible for their harmony and their playing and particularly the sound they are producing.

They are on a stage in what looks like a small room. They sing Judy Blue Eyes and Monday Monday. Both of these songs are quite difficult songs to produce the sound they do.

The foxes are two beautiful young ladies and the fossils are three middle aged guys, (two guitars and bass). Try a listen they are great.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Grace Potter

While enjoying some youtube favourites this morning I came upon this video I guess has been gone for a few years and has resurfaced. Grace is playing the organ and singing "I Shall Be Released" at the Love For Levon concert.

Pretty special moment.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: My previous post: East Virginia / The Islanders

Before you laugh too much: This was a hit in Japanese sailors' restaurants in the sixties. Probably it is a hit still in karaoke bars.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Islanders

Good to see NORM J mentiosn here 'Islanders' ... but this is WRONG 'Islanders'. The real 'Islanders' comes from my Finnish hometown. Just google 'Danny & The Islanders' and 'East Virginia' from 1964.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Islanders

I wasn't aware Peter although there was a big t-do when they visited here. Victoria is very pretty tho' isn't it? It is still quite English so probably suites those young folks.

I can't get over how the news media has to go on about them. It would be nicer for them if they were left alone for a time to enjoy their life. I noticed on a news piece I read the other day, Hugh Grant stood up very strongly for young Harry. I'm sure we'd be glad to have them.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Subject: Georgia

Thank you Dag B., I love it. What a great job. Joe


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Try Again

Hi Dag. I have it on my browser of course but I notice they made some changes. It's much bigger now. So you have to google heavyequipmentforumsdotcom I have to put the dotcom this way or Jan's system kicks you out.

When you get on the site there is a lot more to see now. You need to scroll through a lot of choices until you come to forestry operations. Click on forestry operations and scroll until you come to west coast logging camps, shops barges etc. and click on that site and then you have a library of posts from a lot of people with pictures, some of them very ancient and beautiful in the history of logging. I hope it works for you it is well worth the time.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: My first banjo

So. I grabbed this ol' banjo of mine behind abandoned Christmas decorations. I played chorus A minor: "dingle ding di ding" and then C mayor with the words: "Virgil Name was my game ... errr ... Virgil Fame was my name "... errr ... better to play 'Ol' Time Religion'!


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Banjo / Celtic music

Praise the Lord! He showed me the Sign. - When visiting my hometown in Finland I saw that the record store where I purchased 'Music From Big Pink' had moved only for a few hundred meters. It was there I purchased my first banjo. This 4-string banjo has been in our basement behind Christmas decorations. Forgotten for 40 years.

Back then I was a poor student, now I am a wealthy man. I can buy a banjo with Earl Scruggs plate on it if I want to. "Do it now, you can afford it, in the meantime play this first banjo, ... 'Wild Moutain Thyme' or something", said my dear spouse. When I put our Christmas decoration back I saw THIS banjo: an angel from our 70's decoration leaned on it... her eyes looked DIRECTLY at mine. I took this ol' banjo and played a few accord. (Somehow, I knew a miracle will happen):

This banjo WAS IN TUNE, fellow gbers! IN TUNE, after 40 years! Who had kept it in tune? An angel for sure.

Ain't no reason to go to town, ain't no reason to buy a banjo. Hallelujah.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Buffalo

Thanks to Bill M for that excerpt from Gary and Patti Lee’s chronicle of Buffalo’s music scene in the ‘60s and ‘70s. It was a hoppin’ town even when I lived nearby in the (gasp!) 1950s with the emergence of rock. Levon had a close relationship with the owners of the Tralfamadore (“the Tralf”) and, I was told, was always welcomed warmly by patrons when the Hawks occasionally showed up. I was there a few times myself before moving away, although I did manage to catch Levon and the Barn Burners there around 2001, with Amy Helm also on hand.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Georgia

The Band and Ray Charles were in different keys on "Georgia On My Mind" so I had to speed The Band up and slow Ray down to get them to match.

Norm: I was unable to find that site...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Norm, it looks like you're getting new royal neighbours on Vancouver Island. Hope you'll go round with a pot of tea and some biscuits on moving day.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Ophelia

great work Dag. Must say I prefer Levon's vocals


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Posted by:

Bill M

Veterans here may remember Gary Lee from Buffalo, who with his partner wrote a book on the Buffalo R&B scene of the '60s and '70s (mostly), "Don't Bother Knockin': This Town's a Rockin'". I didn't buy it then, but I picked up a copy last week. There's some mentions of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, and lots on Sandy Konikoff and Stan Szelest, and some on Rebel Paine - all Buffalonians. The following might be of interest to some of you:

"In 1983 Stan and the Ravens reformed. … There was also a series of high energy gigs with Stan's old friends and band mates, Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Garth Hudson and Richard Manuel. Stan and the Ravens were the openers. The old train station on Memorial Drive, in one of its last hurrahs, hosted one of these events. The setting was exquisite and provided a nostalgic backdrop for this gala performance. The crowd was festive. There was dancing in the aisles and people roamed the hall studying the architecture and the beautiful layout of this Buffalo jewel. Interesting to note that, although Robbie Robertson had parted from the Band by then, the back cover of his first solo album, 'Robbie Robertson', is a washed out smoky image of a building structure. It is a photograph of the outside of this train terminal.

"Stan and the Ravens also shared another evening with the Levon Helm Band at the Tralfamadore Café and on another occasion were Helm's backing band at The Sky Room on Abbott Road. At both of these gigs Stan's father paid a visit and sat in on violin."


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Heavy Equipment

Dag, I was just talking to a friend of mine by messenger on Facebook. he is a logger, (named George Harrison) played the drums with me for years when he was a kid.

Anyway it got me to remembering something that may interest you in the work you have done. On line here you can find a sight called heavy equipmentdotcalm. All over the world there are many of us, loggers, construction workers amoung other things. Some time back I hooked up with friends I have in Norway who had come to work out here in the 60's in the logging camps and then returned home.

If you are able to access the sight, my handle on there was "tugman" you would get to see many pictures I have posted of my tug with barge loads of logging equipment, helicopter logging etc. There are also many loggers in New Zealand who have used equipment from out operations that have been purchased and taken down there to log. It is a very interesting sight.

To see many of the pictures there is a thread entitled "West Coast Camps and barges". I also found a very good friend now in Cape Town, South Africa thru' that sight. I had to change the actual address hope you get it Johnny Cash just threatened and terrified me.


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Posted by:

JQ

PV - 5th column, quislings, Vichy, sleeper cells are all in there. Spoiler - The soap operatic aspects can wear me down a bit though. And poor Jesper, continually kidnapped, jailed, running into rivers and fields, etc too. Nobody or country comes out faultless, except China and Japan maybe. But I’m well stuck-in and really enjoying it.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Far be it from me to know, but I assume "Occupied" touches a sore spot that has existed since 1940, and the word "Quisling" had already been in use before that though I guess 1940 added it to the English language. I also find it a realistic and convincing near future.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Norway - Occupied

I think Peter V brought up this Norwegian TV series. It’s plausible enough to leave me nervous every time. I think I’m about 2/3 of the way through. Set in the present it brings it all to the point of major international distress. Top notch I’d say. I’ve never been to Norway but I still hope to; it’s been on my list for a couple decades. Although the last thing they need is a bunch of American refugees escaping after Trump’s re-election..


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Norway

Dag, thank you for being candid. Interestingly I have been spending a lot of time in Norway on google earth. The reason being I have been watching Netflix. There is a documentary show entitled "The World's Most Extraordinary Homes". Some of the most beautiful homes built in Norway on cliffs and islands much like our coast. Also a comedy series called "Norsemen" very different.

One small cottage a couple built on an island barely more than a rock. There had been a boat house there. They had this cottage pre fabbed and brought in by barge and with a 200 ton crane lifted it and set it in place and anchored it. As it usually does in these situations a storm came up and these poor fellows were welding while pretty heavy waves were breaking on them. As it is the kind of thing I've done for years it was very interesting to me and I felt for them as they worked.

This cottage was really something. It had big roll back walls that covered all the windows and opening for weather. But when it was calm and they rolled it all open it was very beautiful.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brother Ray

Many thanks, Dag. That worked. Brilliant – I see it’s exactly the same length as Ray’s original, 3m 33s. I got fascinated by later Ray Charles originally after doing a tour with a publishing rep who was a great Ray fan and we hit used vinyl stores in every city. Then the Toppermost on Ray Charles stops at You Don’t Know Me, thus skipping many albums, which is sad.

You could do it the other way, Dag and put Rick’s vocal on Wish You Were Here tonight onto Ray’s backing!

Having read about Ophelia this morning, what did I see at my local used vinyl store today but Ray’s “The Volcanic Action of My Soul.” I got it. It is a difficult period because he is only into covers, and to be frank, Ray does not do Beatles songs well. For a further Band link, it includes What Am I Living For.


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Posted by:

Glenn

Subject: 5+ for Friday

Here are the albums I've listened to this week: Rolling Stones: Black & Blue, Emotional Rescue; Bryan Ferry: Dylanesque; Monkees: Headquarters and Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, Jones, Ltd; Beach Boys: Today!/Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!); Norah Jones: Begin Again.

Have a great weekend everybody!


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Ophelia

Here's another link.

Pat B: Used a site called moises.ai to isolate, slowed down the speed of the vocals a bit (without losing the pitch) with Cool Edit Pro, then matched the vocals and instrumentation up with the Garageband app on an iPad.

Norm J: I'm in Norway, have been a construction worker, welder, factory worker, now I've found my calling and work in a used bookstore.

I'm a Pisces and I enjoy Bob Dylan, The Band, The Beatles, quiet evenings at home and long walks on the beach.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ophelia

I'm fascinated, but on my Mac nothing happens at all when I press play.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Dag, great job. What did you use to edit/isolate the vocals?


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Different strokes for different folks re Robbie solo... I've really been enjoying Sinematic, and for me How to Become Clairvoyant (his previous album) has stood the test of time.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Ophelia

Wonderful job. Thank you for that Dag. Interesting to know where you are and what your profession is. I expect you are a historian of more than the band.

You just did a great workup of my all time favourite Band song with one of my all time favourite artists in Ray Charles.

Listening to this tune again brings some nostalgia for me. My best band I ever had together was common to the Band in one way. Four of us were Canadian with one American boy. Rick Leather lead guitar was from Toronto. Joel Sack on bass was from Montreal. Lorne Burns on drums was from Saskatchewan. Rick Dunn on guitar and steel was from Spartanberg South Carolina and I from Vancouver island. A great lot of fun for a few years. We had a pretty good feel on covering some of those songs particularly Ophelia.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Subject: Dag B

Wow, that was great. I loved it. Now you need to do a duet between Brother Ray and Richard on Georgia and You Don't Know me. Two of my favorite covers by the boys.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Dag B., you are a really multi-talented person!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Derek, I understand what you are saying as I am also not a fan of Robbie's solo work. I appreciate that he wanted to 'move on' from his Band work and good for him but I just don't enjoy it. I feel the same way about the reformed Band after 1983. Just playing the back catalogue and weak songs like 'Willie and the Hand Jive' was a wasted opportunity. Even if they couldn't come up with new songs they could have at least given a 'Band' treatment to the huge number of good songs that already exist. I got the impression that without Robbie none of them had the drive to do much work. Hence the often repeated view that Robbie and the other guys were much better together than they were apart.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Location: The Record Plant
Web: My link

Subject: Ray Charles & The Band

I found Ray Charles' version of Ophelia a bit disappointing, so I made this just to see what it would sound like with The Band backing him.

Apologies to Brother Ray, The Band and all the fellas.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Subject: Once Were Brothers trailer.

Well, that answered my streaming question. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Cool! Great trailer, really captures the film well.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Once Were Brothers trailer.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Really good posts here lately

WALLSEND is the man of this week!. Good posts on war, Peter and Norm J. Good posts on Trump, Norm J. (He - Trump - didn't ask ME before this ... uhhhmmm ... ) I haven't listened to anything Band related for years. Still I found this place great! (Actually, I listen to Celtic music and Appalachian Mountain hymns, only).


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Derek. Though it would be almost impossible to replicate the songwriting of the Band, I think a lot of Robbie’s solo work is very good too. But as many people on here have posted over the years, he does move on.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

"Levon Helm: From Down in the Delta to the Birth of The Band and Beyond will be the first full-length, penetrating biography of this versatile musician and actor. His autobiography presented the story as seen only by Helm, his closest friends and loved ones. Tooze’s book expands that perspective stepping back and take an all-inclusive view — warts and all. It will be an objective, balanced portrayal."


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Ah, got it, thanks! Looking forward. “LEVON” is a great title... there really is only one.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Jon, Jan put a link up on the What's New page recently. If you scroll down you should be able to find it.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Wallsend, what is the Levon biography coming out this year? Not seeing anything at a glance but would love more info.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Mine is what they did between May 1966 and arriving in Woodstock in 1967, and after lots of research, I'm guessing "very little at all."


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Posted by:

Rod

Pat B, that might suggest that reforming The Band may have been the issue. You are right though - there was no public bitterness before that time.

Wallsend, we all have our fascinations. Mine is the Shangri-la years - even though most of their best music pre-dates that.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Thanks Lisa but I am afraid when it comes to researching The Band I am a mere dilettante compared to Dag B. There are other quotes from Libby out there and it may be one of them you are thinking of. I am sure she wrote something in the comments section of an article in the CSM. I found the article but the comments are gone. If my memory serves me well she said something to the effect that the whole Robbie-Levon thing was much sadder than what people think. I am looking forward to reading the new biography of Levon that is coming out this year. I hope it isn't just a puff piece. It would be great if the author has spoken to Libby because she probably knows more about this than anyone. I would also like to know more details about what Levon did after he quit The Hawks in 1965. I have no idea why I find this such an interesting topic. I do the same thing in my academic research. For some reason I get drawn to a topic but I don't know why.


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Posted by:

Lisa

That must be it, though I have a memory of something slightly different. I guess 2012 was quite a long time ago, how the years zip by. You really get a feeling from her words of what a painful event it was for both men.

Congrats Wallsend - I thought if anyone could find it it would be you!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

This is what Libby told Barney Hoskyns about Levon’s relationship with Robbie: “The story of Robbie and Levon is much more complex than the bloggers and the press understand,” Libby Titus-Fagen wrote me on April 25. “I can tell you that for the years I was with Levon, from 1968 to 1974, they each shared a part of the other’s soul. One would start a sentence, pause, and the other would finish it. They had their own alphabet, their own clock, their own DNA, a Levon-Robbie double helix. When I called Robbie to say Levon was dying, he was stunned, shattered—he thought Levon had beaten the cancer. Robbie flew to New York to say goodbye. Amy, Donald and I were in the waiting room, and I don’t know what Robbie said to Levon for the long time he spent by his bedside. All I know is that there’s a side to this life-and-death song no one has heard. Levon wouldn’t want this bitterness to ramble on any longer.”


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Posted by:

Bonk

Subject: Lisa

Lisa. Wasn't that the same interview where Libby said that Levon and Robbie were so close at one time that they finished each others sentences. And that the rift started long before TLW. I can't find it either but I'm sure it was when Levon passed.


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Posted by:

Pat B

It's been said before, but in early 1983 Levon was quite cordial when the subject of RR came up. By mid-year, not so much.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Mrs V is reading about British Columbia in 1932, ‘ruffles on my longjohns’ By Isabel Edwards. She keeps reading bits aloud. Highly recommended.


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Posted by:

Derek

Subject: Solo music

I have just about everything The Band released officially and love it all. I could never get into anything Robbie ever released as a solo artist. In fact, most of his solo work makes me cringe. Am I missing something? Just think its weird how I enjoy The Band so much with him being the primary writer but can't stand his solo work.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Subject: Once Were Brothers

Any intel as to whether OWB will be picked up by one of the streaming services? joe


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Posted by:

Bill M

With most humans, I think it's fair to say that money isn't really an issue until there isn't any. And then we wonder how come my buddy over there has money and I don't. Mirrors are left unconsulted, and nastiness sometimes ensues.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Robbie and Rick

Reading Carol Caffin's lovely compilation of remembrances of Rick Danko from ten years back, linked from Jan's What's New page. This quote from Robbie caught my eye, perhaps a bit more poignant in light of our chat about the Robbie/Levon dynamic:

"Rick was the most outgoing, spiritually uplifting member of The Band. A lot of times when I would come up with an idea or a new song, it was Rick that I was most anxious to share it with first. His enthusiasm and encouragement often gave me something I needed to fulfill those ideas."


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Posted by:

Peter V

The lie was an issue. The other way, money was an issue. Obviously, if you give five people $1 million each (in 1969 money), and come back five or six years later, then some will have spent it all, some will have maintained its value, some will have made it grow.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: 1970 trouble

From the Northwest Arkansas Times, August 17, 1970. Don't recall if this was mentioned in Levon's book.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I had the same take on this issue as Rod. Even in his book. Levon (or Davis) wrote that Robbie strongly objecting to his use of heroin. Also, Robbie was interested in new things (hence his enthusiasm for Dylan and also for doing The Last Waltz). Levon wanted to play good time music in a bar (which is what he ended up doing after 1983). Nothing wrong with that but you can understand why they went their separate ways.


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Posted by:

Pat B

There's quite a difference between being the leader of a group making a couple hundred a week playing six nights and a few matinees and a group playing concerts, recording albums, and creating an image. RR watched and studied the best. Levon came along for the ride.


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Posted by:

Rod

From Robbie's book I got the impression that the turning point of their relationship was when Levon lied to him about being on drugs. He also seemed annoyed about Levon's attitude when he borrowed his new car.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I remember the Libby Titus quote as long BEFORE TLW. Maybe someone can find it. It may be over and above who ran the show but …

There are always leadership issues in bands. The three greatest all had a tension between two potential leaders … Lennon & McCartney, Jagger & Richards, Helm & Robertson. Perhaps having two in competition was a catalyst which lifted them up. Look at Dag’s pics from 1964 / 45 … Levon Helm & The Hawks, Levon & The Hawks. Bands had official Musician Union "leaders" and it was Levon. Go on to all the post-1968 interviews … Robbie is the spokesperson every time. Yes, it obviously went from Levon’s band to Robbie’s band. When Levon came back first he probably couldn’t believe his luck at the invitation … then he realized his importance and began to re-assert himself. But Robbie was writing the songs.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Bill, what I remember reading was way before Levon's death. I wish I could remember where it was, but it's just too long ago. It might have been on a message board of some sort, where people ask questions and occasionally someone connected who really knows will respond (like the IMBD message boards before the trolls ruined it). I do remember feeling surprised because she implied it was something very personal - well, that could be anything, I suppose - but, whatever it was, it destroyed their feeling of being brothers irrevocably. You may think, oh, a message board, but whatever it was, it was quite credible because of who was on it. I know this sounds terribly vague. Maybe something like Carol Caffin's site? Whatever it was, and it's really none of our business, it didn't seem that it was connected with the business side of the Band, more like some sort of fundamental betrayal or something.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: My memory is that Libby Titus said - around the time of Levon's passing - that the rift came long after TLW, and that it was sad. Much earlier on, in late '65, Levon was clearly so ticked-off that he left, but it's Robbie he told, not the others and not Bob and Albert. I imagine he saw that he'd lost 'his' band, but to Bob and/or Albert, not Robbie. And remember that he came back on the promise of a big payday. He would have known enough of the business by then to realise that he was fortunate to be cut in by the others as a full member rather than a salaried hired hand.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Lisa, makes sense. Someone here (Peter?) made an observation once that always stayed with me, that The Hawks were Levon's band but The Band became Robbie's band. I think that shift in leadership was going to be extremely tricky to navigate even without all the other factors.


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Posted by:

Lisa

I was never able to find it again, but I remember reading a quote somewhere from Libby Titus saying that the rift between Robbie and Levon started long before TLW. She also said that it was extremely sad.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Much as I always appreciate what Ari has to say (and congratulations on the album), I'll line up behind Jon L with regards to OWWB. Ari's right that it won't carry the Band farther into the future like the TLW movie did, but I don't think Robbie intended it to.

That said, I think there's still a place for a project that will project the Band farther into the 2020s. It doesn't have to be Robbie's, but it does have to appear soon, when a decent proportion of the original fanbase is still aboveground with the ability to see, hear and relate.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Once Were Brothers

As a counterpoint to Ari's comments, I really enjoyed Once Were Brothers and actually found it quite moving. The project evolved out of Robbie's autobiography and it is certainly, intentionally told from his point of view. On some level, it is unusual for a music documentary in that it really is more about his personal experience going from a bumpy childhood to The Hawks to The Band, where the band members became almost a surrogate family for Robbie until things started to fall apart. I found it surprisingly relatable, as at its heart it's a pretty universal story about people coming together creatively and then drifting apart.

In some ways, I agree with Ari that the film does seem more like a project for existing fans than new fans. There is less concert footage than you'd expect, and little time spent on any of the studio material after 1969 which is slightly annoying. But for me, the film finds fresh ways of looking at very familiar material... from Robbie's unique viewpoint on the Dylan tours and the Band years, to the use of studio demos and alternate versions of the classic songs as background music. The editing is modern and playful and keeps things lively.

The film goes painfully through the later years when drugs and alcohol took a heavy toll on their personal and music relationships...and you feel that it's not something that sprung up after the first two albums, but was in the DNA of the group to begin with. Dominique (Robbie's ex-wife) is a fresh perspective as someone who was close to the band in the Woodstock period, narrowly surviving a car crash with a Band member at the wheel. She later became a substance abuse counselor, and her comments on what she saw happen to the group are quite interesting. It's hard not to feel like Robbie is answering some of the criticism that's been piled on him over the years, saying "this was what it felt like to be in the middle of this chaos... this is my side of what happened". It's also emphasized that Robbie did believe The Band would continue as a musical unit in some form after The Last Waltz, but some mix of miscommunication, bad feelings and everyone going off in different directions ended up scuttling that.

Rick, Richard and Garth each get some screen time and there is warm testimony to their talents. (Richard in particular is definitely featured more than in The Last Waltz.) But the focus of the film in the end seems to be the relationship between Robbie and Levon... which was the beating heart of The Hawks and the early years of The Band, then fractured and never recovered...and ends on a poignant note with Levon's death in 2012. We hear Levon tear into Ophelia as the credits roll.

Honestly, I hope everyone here can see the film at some point. It's hard to imagine you wouldn't get something out of it.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ari, congrats on your album. Also, thanks for your comments about Once Were Brothers. For those of us who haven't seen it, it is good to get the opinion of someone who knows what they are talking about.


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Posted by:

Ari

Subject: Music from Moontown Album

In lighter news I just released my first album produced by Rob Fraboni who I ran into at BB Kings at a Richard Manuel tribute a couple years ago. I would never have known him without this site and told him about the guestbook. It’s called Music from Moontown.


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Posted by:

Ari

Location: Jupiter

Subject: Sorry

Not much of a fan of Once We’re Brothers. At some point it just feels like a slideshow of the same story we all know so well. Don’t think it will carry The Band into the next generation, it’s not engaging and viewers will wonder why a movie about a Band focuses so heavily on only one member.I couldn’t believe they didn’t have more footage, a lot the footage edited reusing footage from Within the same performance. There is plenty of footage from Festival Express that could have been used. Some footage from the film seemed to be out of focus black and white nonsense of people running around to fill the dead space. I saw with Robbie there and he seemed half engaged. Still love the guy, but this really is a low grade movie with a couple great interview subjects (but uninteresting actual interviews.)


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Eric Andersen / Blue River

Folks, try "eric andersen blue river etown" on YouTube to hear a lovely live performance of Blue River. Eric is accompanied by Scarlet Rivera, the violinist famous for her sound on Dylan's Rolling Thunder tour.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Campaign

I'm reading this morning the Trump campaign has over 800 adds on face book using the killing of the Iranian man as a prop up for election. Was there any doubt of the purpose.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rod: Exactly! The whole "Sail Away" album has me thinking of Trump - the casual racism, the casual misogyny, the nostalgia for what never was. He's so vain, he probly thinks "God's Song" is about him.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Am interview with Robbie in which he talks about Once Were Brothers has just been posted on Youtube. I think it was probably done late last year. You can find it by searching under: Robbie Robertson on his documentary Once Were Brothers


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Posted by:

Rod

I've been listening to Randy Newman a lot recently. I can just imagine Trump singing Political Science.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside

Happy New Year to all

Downloaded Spotify.

Listening to Karen Dalton.

Sipping Lagavulin.

Gonna be a granddad.

Life is good.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: War & Idiots

As far as war goes we have a perfect example of the kind of idiot that is a war monger and causes war. The fool that is the president of the USA is the perfect example.

There is an expression that is as old as time. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." No man (who really is a man) comfortable in his own skin needs to go about threatening, abusing, lying and ridiculing others.

The threat I watched the other day "We will attack Iran with all our deadly force and our big new beautiful equipment that has just been built." Very obviously this fool is itching to try out his big new equipment. Don't forget how he wanted to parade it for the whole world to see because he is jealous of France and the other idiot in North Korea showing off their boy toys.

Now he has killed this Iranian hoping to get the response he saw when Bin Laden was terminated. Wants his adoration and praise and a feather in his base ball hat for his next election. The reasons for Bin Laden and the Iranian are far different. Trump's reasons that he keeps changing are fabricated bullshit.

This fool we have for a Prime Minister is now very angry with Iran. Those people shot down that plane because they were spooked by the threats and what that idiot USA president did and that is who he should be angry at. He is the cause of most of the turmoil in this world now because of his big mouth and his "tweets."


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: There's a difference

Having a keen interest in strategy is like playing chess. It has little to do with a taste for war and killing.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: WAR (What Is It Good For)

Good question, Lisa. I’m one of a highly privileged British generation who never had to go to war. My dad had to in 1940, and look at the newsreels of Germany invading countries and what they did when they got there, you can see why he had to. He was 28 with a child on the way. My grandfather? I have no idea, but that 1914 generation went to war in a blaze of totally stupid chauvinistic nonsense, but he felt he had to go.

Mostly men go to war because people in power lie to them. Bush, Blair step forward. In 1940, that wasn’t the case. It was stop them or submit to them. I guess the potential that we might have to act as in 1940 is in male DNA. Hence the fascination.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Don't men EVER get enough of war and killing?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Not Vikings

I never mentioned Vikings! I referred to "Norsmen".


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The King

You are right in your assessment Peter. I won't ruin it for you at all. I liked the plot. However the story for the most part is pretty accurate to the actual events. I was quite amazed with the production of the battle they of course can do wonderful tricks now with camera and computer to trick us but the battle is very impressive and the tactics are sound.

I have always been very keen to understand tactical planning and maneuvers of battle. I have been a great fan of Ghengis Khan forever. I've spent sleepless nights reading about the man. Most generals to this day consider him the greatest general who ever lived for his tactical warfare and ability to quickly assess and adapt to any situation.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The King

No, I didn't know about it. Sounds like the plot of Shakespeare's Henry IV Part 1 & 2 combined with Henry V. I'll give it a go. Olivier's wartime Henry V was one of the ultimate Shakespeare on film successes.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: No, not simple like that

You may want to play (C) after that final (G7) in my previous post..


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: The Vikings / Westcoaster

There is a debate going on in Swedish forums where I am a regular. Some academic politically-correct people have tried to make money and fortune by saying that the vikings were vegans, homosexuel (ok, I can buy that), panicked by the climat change, feminists and so on.

Reminds me of JOHN PRINE:

"(C) Throw away the TV,

(C) Throw away the papers,

(F) Try to find Jesus,

(G7) For all your own.

Simple as that! Quit Netflix!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The King

Peter, have you watched "The King" with the battle of Azincourt?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: 1917 review

Link to my review of Sam Mendes "1917."


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Posted by:

Stan

Subject: Brown album.

Well said Glenn!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Norsemen

I loved the idea of gender-balanced, health and safety conscious Vikings. It's very good. While on Netflix and Norway, try "Occupied." We're near the end of Season 1.


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Posted by:

glenn

Subject: The Brown Album

I finally took some time and listened to the 50th anniversary The Band album on headphones, and again in the car today while doing errands around town. It is the best! My goodness, I thought, this is the album; the best ever by anybody. The musicianship, the arrangements, the vocals, the songwriting; everything works! And I loved hearing the horns a bit more, the use of the harmonica, Rick, Richard and Levon's voices together and apart. And I love hearing Richard's little non-verbal hums and sounds; he's the best. Love both Levon's and Richard's drumming, all of Garth's contributions, and so many wonderful guitar bits and solos by Robbie. Seems to me it has never been bettered as a total album experience. "Now, honey don't be late. I want to be there when THE BAND starts playing..." Indeed!!!!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Norsemen

I recently took on "NETFLIX". I noticed some shows on there that interested me. I just finished watching the series "The Last Kingdome".

This morning while surfing through what is available I took a look at this comedy series Norsemen. My mouth is still hanging open. Filmed in Norway, mostly Scandinavian and Norwegian cast.

Episode 1 of series 1. They come home from the pillaging and raping voyage. As they are greeted on the beach the Chieftan is trying to greet his wife who was on the trip the warriors are assuring him. She really got into the pillaging and raping, especially the raping. She must have done at least four monks. I can still see her sitting on a monk moaning. She has made herself a necklace of penises from the monks.

Jan! lord thunderin' Jasuz man is this your work!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Very pleased you liked it, John. As a drummer friend pointed out the crispness and timing of Brian Bennett's drumming was unusual for a recording of the era. Then Hank Marvin's guitar sound on Wonderful Land is superb. Do You Wanna Dance … great drumming and great drum sound. This would be about a month before Jet Harris left … note the bass guitar on Shadoogie and the drum break. Apparently EMI were upset by the amount of female audience screaming which they couldn't get rid of.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V & Cliff Richard

Peter; after you mentioned the "live" album; from Cliff Richard & The Shadows, I bought it yesterday; on iTunes. Great stuff.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: The Peppermint Lounge, Mike Bloomfield, John Hammond and The Hawks!

Link is to an excerpt from "Guitar King: Michael Bloomfield's Life in the Blues", about The Hawks recording with John Hammond during their two-week gig at New York's Peppermint Lounge in 1964. This is the same place that Levon mentions in interviews and in his autobiography, where the club manager insisted they play the twist instead of "this blues shit that will never get you anywhere".


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: AmericanRadioHistory.com

I've spent a lot of time at that site lately, lots of old US & UK music magazines in pdf.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Peppermint Twist …

The early Hawks compilation is an astonishing piece of research by Dag. The later Band ones were incredible, but at least they were famous by then. This is small town newspaper stuff! I tried to research this years ago and found almost nothing. We learn too that they were also The Ronnie Hawkins Band and LeVon Helm & The Hawks. I love their agency claim that the show and music of The Hawks is of the type most appealing to “the student set.” Or as a UK promoter would have said “perfect for the college circuit.” A wise move. If it was like the UK, the big money was the “ballroom circuit” and college gigs. Bands would often play a college for £400 on Friday but a presitige London club for £30 on Monday. I guess it was the same.

I looked up The Peppermint Lounge on Wiki, and it opened in 1958 with a capacity of 178. In my experience that would have been legal fire capacity, and clubs normally kept a £5 note on hand for fire inspectors as a contribution to their myopia. Apparently it was known for its gay clientele (they quote Twistin’ The Night Away … where the people are so gay BUT I’m not at all sure "gay" was the term then, still meaning “cheerful” in 1958). It was run by the Genovese family.

I was surprised how small it was – like those prestige London clubs. My friends in semi-pro bands would have been upset to find an audience of less than 400 in 1965, and the ballrooms were 1000 plus.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Thanks to Dag B, we know the Hawks played The Peppermint Lounge in June of 1964.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Vinyl stuff

Some interesting finds yesterday. First Joey Dee & The Starliters, “Doing The Twist At The Peppermint Lounge (LIVE)” in near mint condition. I already had it on LP and CD but at £6 in that condition, I bought it. As Pat B pointed out, The Starliters evolved into The Rascals, so have a very similar career trajectory to The Hawks / The Band from backing a rock star to soulful original material. “Doin’ The Twist …” is also a genuine live recording, unusual for the era so of great historical interest as to what bands sounded like then. Even better is “Live at The ABC Kingston 1962” by Cliff Richard & The Shadows. It was properly and carefully recorded for a live LP which was then shelved for decades before it came out on CD. It’s worth seeking out … it proves The Shadows were really good live.

Then a a few I haven’t played yet. Brian Hyland “Country Meets Folk” from 1964 with “The 21 Strings” – a trio of 12 string guitar, 4 string Fender bass and 5 string banjo. Fascinating selection … Act Naturally, Don’t Think Twice, Folsom Prison Blues, Candy Man, Baby What You Want Me To Do, Jamaica Farewell.

The second Ricky Nelson LP which describes the singer as an “impish tow-headed little wisecracker” it includes My Babe, Good Rockin’ Tonight, and Down The Line, all with James Burton on guitar.

Then Jackie Lomax “Is This What You Want?” on Apple. Rough sleeve, but only £2.50. In better condition it would be £30 to £50.

A very good haul.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Bruce Bruno

Can't imagine thinking that this style (see link) suits our guys especially well.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks so much Dag. That's an amazing trove of images and info. It was so good to see the long list of shows that Sandy Konikoff was onboard for (from Dec '65 through March '66). From what most people have written, one gets the sense that he did no more than half a dozen before slinking away. For what it's worth, the Ascots, who were shown along with the Hawks on one of the small early newspaper ads, eventually morphed into a later version of Ronnie Hawkins' Hawks, the group that emerged as the much-loved Crowbar.


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Posted by:

Crazy Chester

Subject: re: Jack Sheldon

{{ Jack Sheldon has died at the age of 88. This is one of the memorable songs he sang on Tom Chapin's Sunday TV show. "I'm Just a Bill from Capitol Hill." }} Schoolhouse Rock!


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen - Probably.

Subject: More of The Best of The Best of gbers

The Best of The Best in the Fabulous History of gb.

"Tonight's Special Guest" is my Finnish compatriot KALERVO. He was gb regular in the best days of gb. Actually, on Saturday I drove my car thru Nummela village in Finland where he is living. Never found him, though. - Anyway, he contributed about Carter family and world music. As a free-lance music journalist he published an interview with one of the youngest beautiful and talented daughters in Carter family.

We had controverses: nostalgia and vodka. He lives in real-time, I live in the past. I am a heavy drinker, he has been sober since the seventies. - I surely miss him.


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Posted by:

NWC

Subject: Linguistics

where - not were


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Bill M / Nostalgia

Thanks BILL for your post on GILES MARTIN. I don't understand what it has to do with me, or us ... or anything for that matter, but it is maybe because I am sober... or stupid... or both. Mr Martin was born in October 1969 - me and my spouse has been together since December 1969. That could be a clue but not EXACTLY the same but a nice shot anyway. (Please forgive me my vulgarity.)

I just made a pilgrimacy to my youth in Finland. I saw the warehouse (full of rats) were we had our rehearsals in the 60s/70s, I saw the park were our dog was peeing, I saw the record store were I purchased MFBP (it had moved only for 200 meters!). I ate two dozens of Carelian Pirogs from "Auto Grill" were we hang out after rehearseals. The haircut saloon which I visited in 1970 was still there. After that misstreatment I have not changed my "Mr Brexit" haircut. If I had become a Rock Mega Star my fans could have made their pilgrimage to this saloon. The saloon could have made a lot of money! - The best was to hear our young relatives sing Appalachian Mountain hymns.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Dag

Great job.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Dag. Another huge effort.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Those early photos, LOL! Great stuff, thank you Dag.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: The Hawks 1964-67

Another one...


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Posted by:

Jed

Gregg was quite enthusiastic about ballads and horns. Oddly enough,he was not a huge fan of guitar solos. He lost that argument. But if you follow his solo career he got his wish. He even stripped down some of those longer Allman Brothers songs like Whipping Post in an effort to bring the sound closer to the softer ballads he intended.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Laid Back

Jed, right, I've never been a great Allmans fan … Brothers and Sisters is my favourite album. Filmore East? Got it. I can take it or leave it. More I've pointed out that they're much less popular in the UK than USA, but some of that might be down to poor Capricorn Records distribution. I saw a US import "Laid Back" in a secondhand store just before Christmas and it was in very good condition and reasonably priced (£4.95? - don't remember) and i thought I'd try it mainly for Don't Mess Up A Good Thing. Any cover of Fontella Bass had to be interesting, being a great Fontella Bass fan. Yes, I enjoyed it. It'll get another spin tomorrow.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: USA! USA! USA!

I’m wondering if all those Americans who aggressively supported the Iraq war, for years, will take what they’ve since learned, been embarrassed by, and be a bit more wary this time?


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Gregg Allman?Peter?

I’m surprised to see Gregg Allman on your list,Peter. Didn’t think you thought much of him. Perhaps I’m mistaken? If you enjoy Laid Back do you enjoy his other solo work,particularly The Gregg Allman Tour? Any thoughts on his last solo album?


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Posted by:

Erik og Pål

Location: Norway

Subject: Big fans

Love When I paint my masterpiece!


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Posted by:

b.lee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Neil Innes

Sad to hear about Neil. An underappreciated talent. My adolescence was nicely warped by the Bonzos. His brilliant Beatle inspired mash-ups in All You Need Is Cash as the Rutles are priceless and precede the Love album by a decade or more. The Seventh Python? (Well, after Carol Cleveland, maybe the Eighth.)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Happy New Year, everybody.

Last five played

The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour

Hue and Cry Bitter Suite

Paul McCartney Pipes of Peace

Gene Clark Roadmaster

Asleep at the Wheel Still the King


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: It's a cosmic message for the new year - "Kind Of A Drag" vs "Always Look On The Bright Side".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Last Five

Albums …

Laid Back - Greg Allman

High Level- early strict discipline English folk with Johnny Handle

Celebrations for A Grey Day- Richard & Mimi Farina (3 times)

River of Song - Disc 2 (with Levon on Going Back to Memphis)

Larry Jon Wilson - selections on a playlist



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Posted by:

Peter V

Not a good week.

RIP Neil Innes, Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band & The Rutles

RIP Marty Grebb, contributor to The Band's 'Jericho' and Jubilation.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Jack Sheldon

Jack Sheldon has died at the age of 88. This is one of the memorable songs he sang on Tom Chapin's Sunday TV show. "I'm Just a Bill from Capitol Hill."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Hindsight

Happy new year Bill M - An Interesting exercise (for me at least) is to use the past to understand the present and predict the future. And, somewhat relating to hindsight, is to put oneself in that predictable future and view the present from that POV. But, it ain’t pretty or hopeful anymore..


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Posted by:

Bill M

Happy 2020 all!

(I've heard it called the Year of Hindsight, but we'll have to wait and see.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: A new New Year Story

The last few years I've linked the story "New Year's Rag" set in 1964 from "I'll Tell Everything I Know." This year I've linked another one from the second set of short stories, "Rolling Down The Road." This one is called "The Three (Wired) Weird Sister" and takes place on New Year's Eve 1967.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Norm, I also struggle up the steep stairs every morning bearing a pot of tea for Karen.A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Chase

Great review Peter. Setting aside the location for shooting and the bad job of Texas accents, I loved the film for how bad it was but really showing the Texas red neck behaviour of that time. Maybe a little over done, (example) Robert Duvall's wife's comment during that "party" "shoot somebody for screwin' his wife! half the town would be wiped out". The thing about copying Texas accents is most those people talk to fast and can't slow themselves down enough to sound Texas.

My next favourite, a 1971 flick but better I guess as it won awards was "The Last Picture Show" about 1950's Texas.

By the way adding to our last conversation, tell Karen that Susan always gets her morning coffee delivered in bed. :-)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Chase (1966)

Another in my "1960s Films revisited" series. This time by request … THE CHASE (1966) directed by Arthur Penn, starring Marlon Brando, Jane Fonda and Robert Redford.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: addendum

... not to mention that five of the nine of them hailed from the big pink blob to the north.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks for that Rascals link, Pat. Not only were the two camps linked by skin tone, musical style and club circuit, they both had strong links to Roulette Records and producer Henry Glover. Glover produced Gene, Felix and Eddie as members of Joey Dee and the Starlights, and our guys as members of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks and the Canadian Squires.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Many years ago I compared the Rascals to The Band and wondered if they crossed paths back in the day since they played the same circuit. From a 2007 interview with Rascals guitarist Gene Cornish: “We were elitist on our minds. We knew we played better than the other bands. We were hot. The only other band that could play like us was The Band themselves. The Band at the time were just starting to play with Bob Dylan. Before that, they were in the same circle we were. They were a white R&B band; we were products of that environment.”


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Joni Mitchell’s River sung by Ellie Goulding is number one in the charts over here. It’s amazing that a song is top of the hit parade so many years after it was written.

For XMAS, I got three remastered albums.

Love Forever Changes

Gene Clark Roadmaster

Paul McCartney Pipes of Peace, which is remastered.

I watched the Gene Clark documentary on the I player over Christmas. I think it is really well done.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brown Album

Release date 22nd September 1969. I have described HMV's December 1969 Xmas display in Oxford St - three albums, The Band, Abbey Road, Let It Bleed.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill M

Bill. Thank you for the mention. Who was it you talked to at Wilson & Lee? One of the brothers? The Rainbow was my best friend Bob and I's favourite hangout once a week. We would walk down Simcoe Street; from O.C.V.I. (our high school) and sit at our favourite table in the window in the corner. Chips & Gravy & a Coke. It was the best of times. One Friday afternoon we played hooky. Went into Wilson & Lee and blew the budget. Bob Dylan's "Another Side of Bob Dylan". It was the best of times.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: brown and stage

Ok, Roger, Brown Album out in Winter '70... then that's when I woulda bought it. It was probably that Christmas of 1969 that I got this Sears record player for a present. It was the kind that folded up, almost like a suitcase, the little vertical-in-tendency speakers hung on the side. I guess that would have made me 15/soph. year in high school. I know I just about wore that needle out playing Brown. Had no idea who was singing I don't think but could tell (by the photos) that it was Levon (Lavon) playing the drums. As he said, it looked like the drummer had "the most fun in the outfit". My friends were musicians, unfortunately I didn't have anything in that direction.

Stage Fright would definitely be interesting, expanded. I remember the lp came w/ a photo that wrapped part-way around the edge of the jacket, kind of a mini-poster. I liked it up in the corner of the wall, taped to perpendicular surfaces (as an aside, long before I encountered F.L.Wright & Le Corbusier jamming window fenestration into corners like that in architecture school).

Jan: does Sebastian ever visit here anymore? I would imagine he'd have some good 1st-hand conversation on the Playing for Change process that Norm & I keep bringing up, perhaps over & above what he says on their Behind the Music deal.


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Posted by:

Bill M

As far as I'm concerned, do-overs in the mixing department should not be encouraged except in cases where clowns were in charge of the original attempt. I don't like the brittle sound of "Cahoots", but clowns were not involved and the artists themselves gave it the thumbs-up - and that's good enough for me. Fwiw, I've long called for a deluxe rerelease of the two or three "Stage Fright" mixes - the Todd, the Glyn and the rough one that both were sent.

John D: Your name came up in conversation on Friday. We went for a drive and found ourselves in Oshawa at lunchtime. Nothing decent open but the Rainbow. Noticed the Wilson and Lee Music store across the street. There was a gone-for-good sign on the door but a guy was doing paperwork inside. So I knocked, and he opened the door. The same guy had been there the only other time I'd been in the store - in 1981. I'd gone in '81 because I'd been told that Billy Dalziel worked there and I wanted to talk to Billy about his days with Larry Lee and the Leesures and subsequently with Quorum (which he joined to take over from the departing Jerry Penfound. This time I went to see if they still had the 1964 promo photo of the original jack London and tthe Sparrows with CJ Feeny and Bruce Palmer (before Bruce got traded to the Mynah Birds for Nick St Nicholas). They didn't, but the guy listed the names of some of the notables who'd been by recently to see the photo wall. Your name was mentioned between Steve Macko and Greg Godovitz. You shoulda been mentioned first! (I left with two shots of Jack Bailey and the Naturals and one of the 'Oshawa' Linconaires.)


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Posted by:

Rod

The very first stage fright CD I bought had some of the alternative mixes. That was way before the re-issues came out.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stage Fright

John D: Absolutely right- let Giles Martin have a go. Giles is the ultimate choice.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

SWEET SUMMER FUN - ROLLING STONES LIVE AT HYDE PARK 2013.

I own just about every Rolling Stones DVD there is. Every once in awhile I think it's the best one I've ever seen. Shine A Light was like that for me; But; after waiting two days; with my Prime Membership, Sweet Summer Fun - Hyde Park Live (Blu-Ray) arrived.

Well I think it may be the most exciting concert I've ever seen the Stones do. It had been 44 years since they first played Hyde Park and it was also Mick Taylor's first concert with them at the time. Well as they are about to do Midnight Rambler, Mick Jagger reminisces about how Mick Taylor made the song so special. WELL, out comes Mick Taylor. He's gained a few pounds; but his guitar playing is better than ever. Also Bobby Keyes was still with us for this concert. The quality of the Blu-Ray in just perfect and the DTS sound is magnificent. Charlie also does a great change up on Midnight Rambler. I could go on and on. Thanks Amazon for getting it to me quickly. It was shot in 2013 so my expectations weren't really high. Well it was over the top for me today.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Regarding Stage Fright being remastered. My wish is that Robbie would stretch out his arms across the big pond and ask Giles Martin to participate. For my ears Giles could do nothing wrong; but really improve the original album. However I'm hoping Giles will concentrate on Norwegian Wood first.

I say this in all due respect to John Simon & Tod Rundgren.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, pay attention, they already did the brown album remaster! Actually as you move on in time, more multi tracks mean more opportunities for fiddling with the mix. The interesting thing about Stage Fright is two mixes already exist … Glyn Johns and Todd Rundgren. They used some of each. So a new stereo mix plus a 5.1 mix would be a chance to get the best of everything.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: will 2020 be the Brown Album?

NwC: 2019 has its advocates, as does MFBP, but even they would admit that there was room for improvement. The big question is 2021: Do we leave it to Robbie to improve on perfection, or will the powers that be call in Giles Martin?


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Brown Album

I purchased The Brown because i had heard 'The Weight' in 1970 in my grandma's kitchen and believed that it was one of the songs. - No harm done.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: 2019 / Wallsend

"Happy New Year to all GB posters - lets hope 2020 will be better than 2019 ..." that is what my gb friend WALLSEND (*) posted the other day. I wonder, what's wrong with 2019? It was a fabulous year!

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(*) Footnote: WALLSEND took my part against American Northwestern Band Maffia back then. "KIITOS" in Finnish, that is :-)


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Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Upstart Crow

We have all three series on DVD and better, tickets for the stage version in 2020. The original cast too. Looking forward to it. David Mitchell is brilliant as Shakespeare. It is also erudite in some of the tiny details thrown in about plays,

The TV that irritates is the new stuff for Christmas. Only A Christmas Carol as original drama over three days 22nd to 24th and it was beyond dire. No big drama for Christmas Day either, though the Gavin and Stacey sitcom 10 year reunion was very good- James Cordern of course.

Tonight the 6 part Trial of Christine Keebler begins. One of the big UK events of the early 60s. Looks promising.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Just came across an interesting interview with Bill Graham on Youtube: Bill Graham - Interview - 8/4/1974 - KQED (Official)


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I have been binge watching TV over the Christmas break. Finally got to watch Guilty. I appreciate the Rick Danko reference but the complicated story and thick Scottish accents made it a bit hard to understand. I have also been watching Upstart Crow which I think is hilarious although very typical of Ben Elton. Peter, I would have thought that would be something you would enjoy. As for a boxed set of Cahoots, I am afraid The Moon Struck One in 5.1 sound may be something we will only ever be able to dream of. Stage Fright was the first Band album I got as Big Pink and the Brown album were unavailable in NZ at the time. When I first heard it, I was a little disappointed but it grew on me over the years. The album I was most impressed with on first hearing was Band of Gypsies although I have come to find Buddy Miles drumming and singing a little irritating. Happy New Year to all GB posters - lets hope 2020 will be better than 2019. It will be interesting to see how the UK gets on with Brexit and what happens in the US elections. As for Australia, we will continue to burn and cough out copious quantities of CO2.


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Posted by:

Peter V

TV this Christmas must be the worst ever. Tonight Mrs V insisted on a Michael Hutchence documentary, proving my point is that he might be the only singer even less talented than Jim Morrison. Awful derivative posing.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Super

I was aware of the Brown Album because I thought it was something strange my older brother was into. I went to EJ Korvettes with my parents. First I noticed some guy with a record player was playing an album in the store (weird), but even though it sounded like The Beatles surely I would have known if a new Beatles was out. Then I turned the corner and there was the iconic cover or crossing the street. Wow. But! I also remember they had a Brown Album sign up "The Band plays THE music!!!" Well, they weren't easy to promote. Later my brother gave me Big Pink and Brown. Thought they were interesting but it wasn't until I bought "Rock of Ages" in High School that I went round the bend. I have both supersets, of course.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: The Brown album’s release

Haso - the brown album was issued in winter’69. Not sure when. I bought it in a December. I was living on OxfordStreet so probably bought it in Dobells on Charing Cross Road. I would have bought it pretty soon after it came out. I remember going home to my student room and putting it on my Dansette. I was stunned. It’s never happened before or since. Each track seemed to me to be a masterpiece on first play. We had a cooperative on our rooming house corridor so we had albums all over the place. That autumn had already produced Abbey Road, Let it Bleed and several other great, though lesser, albums. A Salty Dog was worth buying just for the cover!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Do me a favour, hon …

Jackie Deshannon's version of The Weight came up in my "Americana" playlist in the car today and I listened through a couple of times. It's a very early cover. Was she the first to see the potential for "soul" backing voices in the chorus? The link is miming. The gender issue causes her a couple of scanning issues "where I can find a bed" is hard but "do me a favour, hon" is not a problem. It's a very good version, especially the male backing voice. YouTube says it's Barry White.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I'll take any box set of any of the albums, even Cahoots.


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Posted by:

Rod

I'd love to see an Islands box set (not joking) that contained all the studio doodlings that are rumored to exist from the Shangri-La days. Maybe not a huge commercial success though.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: JQ & Stan L/brown

I'm not as sure of the date as you 2 are (buying the Brown Album). Was it out in the Fall of 1969? I may have bought it then, but certainly Winter or Spring of '70; at the bookstore of the little prep school (freshman year) that I attended in St.L. If memory serves, 1st ever album bought was Steppenwolf:the 2nd or CCR:Green River. Right in there would have been the Brown Album and Chicago:CTA. That all said, I vaguely remember some flower power album maybe earlier; w/ a song something like "Here come's the Sun" or a similar name... not the Beatles. Might have been Strawberry Alarmclock or some other L.A. one-(not really a)hit wonder.

I've had the sense from what Peter has written, that barring a serious upgrade in my audio equipment (not likely), I'm best off w/ just the 2-cd version of the Brown Album at 50.

Agree that it would also be interesting if they superset Stage Fright. Unlike others, it actually took me a few years to get back to MFBP, probably after the original Rock of Ages lp, at the earliest.

Glad to see you're still on Playing for Change, Norm. 2 things of interest: 1) comment just recently that puts Mark Johnson as Keb Mo's producer and 2) in possible answer to a ? about PfC funding... there's a woman named Whitney (can't recall her last name) that was pretty involved right off. I couldn't tell if she had some relation to Mr. Johnson, but did see early-on that she was a granddaughter of Walmart's Sam Walton. If that is the case, nice to see some of those beaucoup $'s going into something good for the world.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Imus and Levon

I think the Imus appearances were sort of a bridge between the Barnburner era and the Midnight Ramble, when Levon got his voice back. I saw Levon there a couple times and he had a larger group then than the Barnburners with horns and a guitarist named Fred Scrivener (?) and then Larry Campbell the second time. I’d place it around 2006. Imus was a big fan, fairly knowledgeable and made it a showy point to call Levon - Lavon.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Don Imus

Don Imus died today; in Texas at the age of 79. No cause was mentioned. His link to The Band was his close relationship with Levon Helm.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I'm still waiting for my High on the Hog superset. That cigar-chomping pig would emboss nicely on a gold foil cover.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I'd hope for a StageFright superset. They did better on Brown than Big Pink - they're working into a system maybe. They already did the Rock of Ages and Last Waltz super sets(though they might re-do them).

Super sets need to rely on either a major hit OR a major later reappraisal …like The Kinks last two super boxes, or Hot Rats, which can't have been a mega seller, surely? Every musician I knew had it though. I can't see buying the 6x CD version myself. Then there was The Velvet Underground & Nico album. Was it John Cale who said something like "Only 1000 people bought it but they all went out and started a band."

I personally would place Stage Fright as "super box set" material … but Cahoots won't be, nor Islands. Northern Lights Southern Cross works for me, but I'd rate it unlikely.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Brown purchase

My date was May 12, 1970. I had been away saving the country from commies and that was date I came home. I bought it immediately at the PX in Long Beach but I don’t know how I knew about it. I know I had read Time magazine article, so that was the likely incentive. I think, like a lot of people, I started with Brown and then got MFBP.


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Posted by:

Stan L,

Location: Toronto

Fifty years ago today I bought the brown album at Sam the Record Man’s annual Boxing Day sale for $3,.79. I still have it but no longer have a turntable...


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Christmas must be last night

Hey, nice to see the GB up for Christmas.

Well, got the Brown Album superset. Listening to the full Woodstock set for the first time as I write. Funny to think that when I saw them on the last tour, they only did 3 Brown Album songs. Wonder if they will do one of these supersets on Stage fright. Well, have a great year. And please, anybody who wants change for it's own sake, put your hand down the sink and turn on the garbage disposal. You will get what you want, and you won't be able to vote.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Play For Change? (Politics. Scroll!)

I would vote for Trump even if I am really Bernie Sanders man. I would voted for Boris even if I am glad that Northern Sea is between us. This happens now in many Western democracies. People like me want a change. Irrationally. Probably.


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Posted by:

NWC

Subject: Ahhh....

"Playing For Change", that is.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Playing For Peace

Thanks WESTCOASTER for responding. You wrote: "Playing music together to change the world so that uniting people through music will change how people see each other and bring people together no matter what colour or religion. (it's very simple).

No WESTCOASTER. It is not that simple. Sorry for being political, but Jesus Christ was a political person, too... or they made him to a political person. - Good music, for sure. Merry Christmas!


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Posted by:

Rod

Then the Baron yelled out "Melly Clistmas My Fliends"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Best albums & songs of 2019

Link to my round up of my favourite albums and songs of 2019.Happy Christmas everyone!


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Posted by:

Lisa

Merry Christmas to everybody who posts and reads here! I hope the next year has a little less turmoil and a little more peace and good will towards all of us. May your wishes come true ... Love, Lisa


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Posted by:

henrik ibsen

Location: skien

Subject: jeg er

en gjøk !


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Posted by:

Rod

thanks John D, better than Rodney's Song. That's for damn sure.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fresh New Sounds

What I'm listening to these days as well as the Playing for Change music I enjoy, are "The Classic Rock Show" band in England. To hear young folks who want to play classic rock music and play it almost exactly as the original is so much more interesting than a lot of the top 40 stuff of today.

This guitar player with the classic rock show (Howie) plays All Along the Watch Tower exactly like Hendricks and even sings like him. They do a ton of old music with a fresh sound.

As well I am impressed with the "School of Rock". There are groups of "kids" that are very talented. One group who play "My Girl" and sound as good or better than the Temptations of 1964. Another 4 piece with a girl bass player and a girl singer play Cheap Trick's "I want you to want me" better than Cheap Trick do. The little blonde playing bass is killer. These young folks show a love of classic rock and can they ever play it.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Fwiw, Roy Buchanan's drummer on several LPs, possibly including "Sweet Dreams" was a Montrealer named Jerry Mercer, who I saw playing at the CNE in the summer of '70 or '71 as part of Mashmakhan, who at the time had recently had a huge international hit with "As The Years Go By". He subsequently spent 20 years back in Canada with the ever-popular April Wine.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Don’t know that one, Peter. I only really knew the Roy Buchanan album then the two after that. I think there was a flurry of Roy Buchanan at that time over here.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sweet Dreams was a lot better than Hot Wires. Hot Wires was also on Sonet, not a major label.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Roy Buchanan

Sweet Dreams got a lot of plays in 1973 here in the UK. It takes me back to living in a tent in a country town and working 12 to 15 hour shifts through the night in a canning factory. We played it on cassette on one of these small black players over and over. I thought it was absolutely brilliant and still do. I have a two CD collection of Roy Buchanan’s work, which I play for the few outstanding tracks, and the absolutely brilliant guitar playing.

Roy Buchanan wasn’t happy with his own volume of work. However, I remember on this site - a description of Robbie and Sebastian listening and marvelling at his guitar playing.

But I also read about the no shows and self humiliating behaviour, which sadly would be due to alcoholism.

I wish I had seen him, Bill.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

I agree with Rod that a Roy Buchanan had a few standout tracks, "The Messiah Will Surely Come Again" being the ultimate. I will say that he was great live, or at least was the one time I saw him - in the '80s in a small indoor venue here at Harbourfront. Apparently Robbie was in the audience (of 200?) my memory is that Roy came out onto the floor, wailing away while people clustered around him in a fashion that was both encouraging and, oddly, protective.

I saw a similar phenomenon in the late '90s, when another of Robbie's sorta-associates, Dominic Troiano, closed a giant reunion of old Toronto bands. It'd been a long evening and most of the audience had left, but those that remained clustered around Dominic as he and his band motored through a spruced-up "Peter Gunn". Encouraging, but with more emphasis on protectiveness, as almost everyone there would have known that he (Dom) was dying.

Guitarist brotherhoods can be long and winding; I remember Robbie Lane calling me at home in'80 to say that both Robbie Robertson and Dominic Troiano had shown up his Robbie Lane and the Disciples gig the night before, and spent some quality time together with diciples guitarist Terry Bush. (Troiano had taken Robertson's place on the hbawkins bandstand in '64, and Bush had taken over from Troiano in '65. But long before that, the book "Young Neil" tells us that Bush had been an early idol / mentor of the 14-year-old Neil Young.)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rod

Rod try "Home Is Where I Lost Her" from the album That's What I Am Here For. One of my favs.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

For me, the thing that really separated Robbie from guys like Roy Buchanan, Mike Bloomfield and Rory Gallagher was the quality of his song writing. Robbie could play killer lead guitar but his songs were finely crafted and not dominated by guitar. Of course, one reason for this was that the other guys in the Band really contributed a lot to the arrangements. I also think it reflects the fact that he evolved and developed as a musician especially under the influence of Dylan.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Roy Buchanan

The first time I heard of and heard Roy Buchanan was on a 1971 PBS special; it might have just been an LA KCET (UHF educational TV, pre simulcasts) thing. I was really into guitar players then and I was gobsmacked. Shortly after that he was coming to the Santa Monica Civic, so I jumped and got 10 second row seats and found enough friends that trusted my taste. I kept talking him up and away we went. But.. he no-showed. There was no advance notice but the money was returned. Since then I saw him once and viewed some YouTube and agree that he was a real snooze. I think that PBS deal is available on line and I believe remains impressive. There’s a bit with Merle Haggard with Roy & Roy Nichols in Bakersfield and I think maybe Shuggie Otis that are still worth a look. I’m heading there now -


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Posted by:

Rod

I agree about Roy Buchanan. I've tried many times to get into his music but have only found a few tracks I could get into - Sweet Dreams and The Messiah Will Come Again.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Concerts and year buys.

Poorest year in terms of the number of concerts I saw.

But I saw two great concerts at the start of the year. Graham Nash accompanied by a guitarist and key board player. Brilliant.

And Blue Rose Code, a younger guy, who played a selection of Scottish soul classics with Scottish stars such as Eddi Reader and Hamish Stewart. Highlight of the show for me was the finale of Pick Up The Pieces and Here We Go Round Again. Brilliant.

Quite a lot of new additions to the collection, which I maintain about the same size.

Finished collecting the Tony McManus guitar albums.

Collecting the re mastered Paul McCartney and Wings albums. Bought all but a couple of copies.

Graham Nash Songs for Beginners and Over the Years

Nic Jones Penguin Eggs

Completed the Tom Waits studio albums by buying a couple.

Karine Polwart Fault Lines.

Bought five of the first eight JJ Cale albums.

Returned to the Eagles and bought four of the first six Eagles albums.

Bought two Camera Obscura albums.

Rebought Eric Clapton From Cradle to the Grave. My first copy seemed to have worn out.

Bought a couple of Kevin Coyne albums.

The later two Steely Dan albums. And a few more.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Last Five

Last five:

Mad Lads: A Tribute to Chuck Berry- Ronnie Wood. Tremendous live covers. CD.

White Hymnals- Mojo February 2020 cover disc.CD. Various artists but it maintains a mood. Excellent.

Norwegian Wood – Stephane Grapelli. Covers of Beatles songs. Nice sleeve. £3 yesterday, Most pleasant.

Hot Wires- Roy Buchanan, thinking of early Hawks. To be honest he is generic and dull, good playing, but not creative, merely “fast.” No wonder Ronnie preferred Robbie. Vinyl. Boring.

Reflections in A Crystal Mind- Richard & Mimi Farina. Fabulous. Vinyl.



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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Playing For Change

Playing music together to change the world so that uniting people through music will change how people see each other and bring people together no matter what colour or religion. (it's very simple).

It is all explained and you can join the movement with a small donation. Some of the videos of songs take you to schools throughout the world that have been built with money from sales of these CD'S and videos. Particularly in Africa. You just need to look a little. The man who started the movement is Mark Johnson.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Playing For The Change

Thanks WESTCOASTER for mentioning this video. Great music, Polar Prize winners. - However, it raised many questions in my mind: who are these people financing this? why the music which seems to be uniting the world is _American_ (well, Canadian)? what is the real purpose?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Irishman

A pretty good review Peter. I wasn't that taken with the historical aspect of the film that much. The aging work was interesting to see. I liked "Hoffa" with Jack Nicholson and Danny DeVito more as a story.

Mentioning the history of mob activity in America, one movie with Deniro that I really thought was a day to day life account of that sort of life was "A Bronx Tale". I thought that was a good movie. It wasn't as sensational as the big ticket stuff like Frances Ford Coppola but it was believable.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Irishman

Full review of Martin Scorsese’s THE IRISHMAN (Follow link). On Netflix too, with Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci and Al Pacino and CGI “de-ageing.” Marvellous stuff and it continues Netflix's major "assault" on the film industry.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Weight Playing For Change

Just spending some time with the videos of the making of this historic performance by all these folks. If you haven't watched the videos of the behind the scenes, do so. It is wonderful to watch Sebastian with his enthusiasm for this project for his Dad explaining the process of choosing who will sing which part and who will play. Also the input of the people who took part and expressing their feeling for this song and the deep respect for the band.

Sebastian's explaining having young Marcus King a deep south boy sing that first verse for the respect of Levon. This whole project is one of the most historic events they have undertaken. Right up there with Otis Reddings "Sittin on the Dock of the Bay". Just loved that they showed us these clips.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Hi, Ray. Good to hear from you. Are you still at the same email address? If so, I’ll drop you a note. If not, Merry Christmas to you and your family. (I still have your family Christmas photo from several years back, which includes Elvis.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Just got tickets for Judy Collins in January - with JONAS FJELD. Jonas is the support act and plays with Judy Collins on joint new material. Worth checking out the tour. Wimborne was nearly sold out (and starts at 5 pm, on a Sunday unusually!)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Hmm. I've been working through the late 60s movies to re-review. I might turn my attention to the early 60s. I have a lot on DVD - in the brief "cover-mount" DVD era, several British newspapers started giving away classic 50s and 60s films. I have two boxes filled with such free DVDs. I think most of the classic sare in there … The Servant is a particularly fine one.

Not "Morgan - A Suitable Case for Treatment" though. When there was a lot of publicity in the 60s about the Irish rebel hero of 1916, Sir Roger Casement, who was gay,"Private Eye" did a cover with "Morgan - A Suitable Treat for Casement" which has remained the title in my head. I saw it when it came out, then actually met a girlfriend (of the next year) when queuing to watch it again at a late night showing at university. We met standing in line, then sat together- very chastely, I might add.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Victim

Thanks Lisa - This one was on today too. It’s heavy-handed in today’s context, but then (1961) and there it was daring and brave. Dirk Bogarde, a gay man, playing a closeted gay man in a place where that behavior was still illegal and subject to penalties in dark ages style, was particularly courageous.


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Posted by:

Lisa

JQ, if you're not familiar with the 60s British films you're in for a real treat. There were any number of really outstanding movies made during this period, lots by directors starting out who later went on to big careers. Also many interesting sound tracks by composers like John Addison, which are just as unique to the era as the movies themselves. Very identifiable somehow. Two favorites of mine are The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner and Darling, but there are lots to choose from. TCM runs them from time to time.

Some probably don't age too well, though. A movie I used to like, Morgan - A Suitable Case for Treatment, might be a little cringy to watch these days.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Shirley Ann Field not Sally

PV - My error on that. Like a real deviant I’ve looked through pictures of her and fuck me she was sexy back then, eh? She’s still alive and appears to have had a lot of work done. Is Saturday Night & Sunday Morning highly regarded and considered authentic to the era? I thought it was very good.


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Posted by:

Ray

Mike Nomad

Just want to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy 2020. Long time no speak... hoping all is well.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Christine Keeler will be the subject of a Christmas TV drama … she was only 19. I never thought of her as particularly attractive or unattractive. What is clear is that no one said, 'HEY! This is a 19 year old girl not a major spy or security risk…" at the time. Apparently the forthcoming TV drama makes it explicit.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Christine Keeler vs Sally Ann Field

Hi Peter V - TCM (our classic movie network) is showing 60’s Brit films today - right now it’s Saturday Night & Sunday Morning, so dam bleak looking. Sally Ann Field is very sexy. I was wondering between these 2 which was considered the most appealing by teenagers back then?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Best of 2019- Concerts

This year I’m separating my “Best of 2019 Concerts” (FOLLOW LINK) from “Best of 2019 Recorded Music.” So here you go, a summary of the live acts I’ve seen this year with links to the original reviews (extracts are on the article.) And the Best Is …


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kenny Lynch

RIP, Kenny Lynch. The first person ever to cover a Lennon-McCartney song, "Misery." He also had a major British hit with Up On The Roof and You Can Never Stop Me loving You. He appears on the "Band On The Run" LP cover too.

Kenny was famous as one of the first black British singers, with a definite cockney accent.

I'll share a personal memory. Late 1970, we stopped with other group vans on the motorway services in the middle of the night, heading back to London. We got our food and I went over to the juke box and did the 3 plays for a shilling … two were The Weight ad I Shall Be Released. As The Weight started, a voice boomed out from the food line, 'Who put this on?' I looked up … Kenny Lynch and his driver. "I did," I said. "In that case we'll sit with you," said Kenny and brought his drink over. He sang along to both sides.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in 1983-86

Thanks, Greg! Here's a new version of the latest file, I had forgotten to include the reunion tour dates and some other stuff.


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Posted by:

GregD

Subject: reunion tour

Dag: The Hamilton concert venue was Hamilton Place, and Kitchener was Centre-in-the Square. Both could be considered proper mid-sized concert halls. Still have my signed ticket stubs after all these years. Am enjoying all your historical works on the various years and eras of the Band!


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Posted by:

Dag B.

The Band's reunion tour started with a trip across Canada.

Halifax, Montreal (July 2), Camp Fortune (July 3), Toronto (July 4), Hamilton (July 7), Kitchener (July 8), London (July 9), Regina (July 13), Calgary (July 14), Edmonton (July 16), Vancouver (July 18)

Does anyone know the date of the Halifax show and the venues for Hamilton and Kitchener?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Haso

It’s complicated, Haso. There seems to be a nationalist rally every weekend. They’re colourful with the rampant lion and St Andrews flags.

However it looks as if it is still 55 per cent for the union and 45 per cent independence.

Some people voted for the SNP because they are seen as the social Democratic Party, taking on the role that Labour used to play or seen as the party of remain. The vast majority here are strongly remain.

Labour’s demise up here happened long before Jeremy Corbyn and is hard to fathom. They used to weigh the votes.

This is all set against a background of contempt for politicians, which is only going to get worse with Alex Salmond’s upcoming trial.

Personally, I’m fed up with constitutional affairs. I wish our highly paid representatives would get on with solving problems, for example homelessness or our horrendous drug problem or children living in poverty. The gap between rich and poor is too great.

But I love living in a small, beautiful country, if you can tolerate rain. So I’m not sure what’s going to happen. Take care, Haso mate.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Christmas Must Be Tonight

Real glad Hank is still out there performing! That’s a very nice cover.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: North western coast

Subject: Hank Wedel / More of The Best of Best in gb

GOOD TO SEE OL' HANK MENTIONED HERE. He is (was) from Cork, Ireland. I had a nice chat with him back then. He was "amused" that - when playing in Scandinavia - people didn't ask about his fabulous Band versions. They asked only about Irish beer-drinking whisky-drinking Irish pub songs. Nothing wrong with it, I have been drinking a half of a bottle of Irish whisky on this stormy morning before lunch here on the coast.

On a serious side: people (he himself?) told that he is dead. I mean REALLY dead. DEAD!!! I was sad, really sad. He seems to be alive and kicking. DON'T DO THIS IN GB!!!

BTW I died for eight minutes ago after eating too many Swedish meat balls. Hallelujah!


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Hank W

That’s great news Jan; I thought he was another good one here one that had passed!


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Hank's "Christmas"

This is indeed our old GB'er Hank from the sweet cove of Cork! Link to the YouTube release of the CMBT cover.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Hank Wedel

Is that Hank from Cork that used to post here? He had great insights, not unlike David P.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hank Wedel

It comes up on youtube too Jan. Really nice job of the song.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

New EP from lovely Irishman Hank Wedel and friends, with a beautiful cover of "Christmas Must Be Tonight"! (link goes to Spotify)


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mistake

Hi Haso. Just realized I made a mistake. It was the band Great White not White Snake. I should have realized there are videos on youtube of that fire. Makes you sick to watch it.



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Posted by:

Wallsend

In the last Australian election, Labour lost when they should have easily won. The leader of the party was so unpopular he was simply unelectable. After the loss, he resigned but was replaced by a virtual clone. The problem is that the only people that can work their way to the top through the party machine are people with no popular appeal. It seems Corbyn is similar. In the US as well, none of the Democratic candidates look very appealing. Nowadays you need people who look good on social media. Trump and Johnson may be idiots but they fit in with the trend of the times.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: More politics

Read this Guardian article by Polly Toynbee. She is considered very left wing and she's tougher against Corbyn than I was.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: white snake

Yeah, Norm I remember that club fire. I think it was called The Station. I believe they finally settled on the make-up of the ceiling panels as the most egregious cause (along w/ the pyrotechnics being too close to those surfaces. If memory serves, I visited an aunt who lived quite close (in Warwick, RI), maybe a year or 2 later. The burned-out hulk was still there. I imagine it remained a crime scene for a while and an insurance nightmare as well. The owners went bankrupt and I believe spent time in jail from the fallout. Something north of 100 concertgoers perished. Also, I believe a cousin from the same part of my family had friends amongst the victims.

Anyway, wishing you British Isle folk the best. Dunc, do you think this will finally tip the scales in faire Scotland to cast your lot w/ the continent?


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: PV’s election analysis

Great work Peter. Here, the extremely close calls since our 2000 election of W have been so pivotal in regard to what could have been, but for mere handfuls of votes. Ah Bartelby, Ah humanity.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Osaka show from 1983.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: UK elxn

A swotty analysis, to be sure.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Peter, Roger, I grieve with you. Tough outcome for sure.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: About Boris... to my internet friend Peter

"Lay down your weary tune, lay down." This will be just great, wait and see.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Politics (scroll by)

Instant morning after reaction to the election results (FOLLOW LINK) written right off without stopping. I was up till 5 a.m. Rash? Harsh? Judgemental? All of the above.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I only just got my copy of the Brown album. I had to order it online as they are not selling it in shops in Australia. I really like it a lot. Sound is crystal clear and the outtakes are good. They really seemed out of place at the Woodstock festival. Great playing but not the kind of thing people wanted to hear I think. I am not surprised it hasn't been released until now.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: The moron count

JQ - naahh - our moron count looks like it matches yours...


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Kissing the Mike

I have done it more than once and actually saw a big spark arc there. It is scarey. Saw many electric shocks light people up. I also knew a guy who walked right in front of the front end speakers when the guitar player peeled off a couple of high note licks and ruptured his ear drum. There has been many sad lessons learned messing with this technical stuff.

I just noted looking around at this stuff, real time analizers can be just computer soft ware now.

I expect many remember the fire caused by the pyrotechnics of "White Snake" quite a few years back. I don't care how safe some think that stuff can be, I would never be on a stage with any of it.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Correction

John Lennon and Alma Cogan


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

I remember the matchsticks in the sockets, Peter, when I worked in the docks.

Peter’s trilogy documents the sixties well from variety to dancing to concerts in the university years to the band scene. I never had any experience of working in bands, which features in the third book, but the amount of concerts I attended was huge.

I loved going dancing and if there was a Scottish variant from the UK scene, concerts in Scotland often broke out into dancing. I remember a Jethro Tull concert with hundreds around the stage bopping away. I remember the band responding and playing dance music.

Variety was important, but disappeared. I noticed that John Wetton was in Helen Shapiro’s band and she was definitely variety. I remember the supposed affair between John Lennon and Helen Shapiro.

A sad footnote. Last week Ian Sutherland of Sutherland Brothers died. I still play the first two albums. It would be his brother, who made the big money from Sailing.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I was onstage at an outdoor festival in 1971 and our singer got zapped by his mic after a slight sprinkle. It knocked him flat on his back.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Music To Watch Girls By

Link to my novel about 1967, Music To Wtch Girls By. This describes the set breaking. The people are fictional, but the stuff about the show is real.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I had that discussion this week. e.g. In 1975 Gary Thain of Uriah Heep "kissed the mic" as they said and never really recovered. It is very basic … earthing. Today, bands travel with qualified electricians. Back in the 60s (as in my short story) you might use two matchsticks to put wires in an unfamiliar socket, and yes, people died. When I was working in 1970, there were four different plug and socket varieties. We travelled with a box full of 13 and 15 amp and 5 amp plugs, but short cuts happened. Wrong. But they did.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Interesting posts

Interesting posts Bill, Pat, Peter and Norm.

I felt I learned something new. I’m still involved in my retirement journey through Scottish music.

I didn’t realise until I reading about Alex Harvey how recent the introduction of the electric bass was and how difficult it was to get one in the UK.

But what is really sad was that Alex Harvey’s brother, Les Harvey was electrocuted on stage when playing with Stone The Crows in the early seventies. I saw Stone the Crows and they were a good band. A couple of times in the early seventies, I did see members of bands receiving shocks on stage.

So here’s the question, how dangerous would electric concerts be in the early sixties and seventies?

Sorry to hear of your loss Critter. I hope you get some rest and peace.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Some things are the same

Haven't looked at sound equipment in years. Looking on the net I found a page with Brock bins. The ones like I had a shown. They have wheels in the back end so you can tip them up and roll them. The Peavey page shows the SP2's I had look about the same. However the amplifiers are much different than in the 80's.

The rack I had on wheels containing the amplifiers, eq and effects was on wheels and took 2 guys to lift it. I was mistaken the amplifying was 600 watts on the bottom 400 on the mids and 200 on the high end and 400 for stage monitors. I could just get all that stuff in my truck. Not being in a financial position to have paid any road people we did all the moving and setup our selves. A lot of work.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Thanks - even the weedy is interesting when it comes from you. I gather that Bob did BTM from Richard's piano, even though that took him farther from Garth and entailed a daily redirection of the spotlight.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Transporting a grand piano must have been a nightmare. Did they ever fly it? I would assume it confined the crew to road in North America. Surely in Europe they must have rented / used the hall Steinway? (They all had Steinways).

When I was working on stage shows, we had to break the Variety Show set on Saturday night, and set up the concert hall set for Sunday’s symphony orchestra concert. We all signed out at 11 pm, and signed back in at 11.05 as “casual labour” for cash. One job was rolling the variety show Steinway into the wings, and rolling on the symphony Steinway. They were identical and I assumed it was some sort of attitude about the regular band bashing the keys.

We had a piano tuner who spent the 1950s playing in Glasgow dance bands. He also did the symphony orchestra piano. He explained that the symphony piano was at concert pitch (i.e. UK concert pitch, which differs from German concert pitch). The piano for the main show was tuned to “dance band pitch” as he called it. This was very slightly sharp to make it sound brighter. He tuned the piano our kids used and if you provided good coffee and chocolate biscuits, he would play for 15 minutes or so while simultaneously telling me dirty jokes and dance band tales. Brilliant man. RIP.

Back to the 1960s shows, just rolling the Steinways a few yards into the wings meant the tuning had to be checked. I assume that transporting a piano by truck meant a full tuning job daily.

A few years ago we saw a lunchtime harpsichord recital. The player had five harpsichords of various vintages (all very old) on stage to demonstrate the evolution. He said that it took him most of the morning to tune all five when he unloaded them.


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Posted by:

Rod

Thanks Pat. Nice to see that Piano is still being used. Payne also said that the Piano was sold about the time The Band moved out of Shangri-La - 79 I think.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Brexit

Good luck Peter V; hopefully your moron class isn’t as powerful as ours..


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

At :58 you can see and hear Richard's Steinway. It still sounds great.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Firstly, Richard got his own Steinway in the late 60's. Bill Payne does have a nice article online (referenced earlier) that describes that process. Notice in all the photos of the Hawks and The Band up to 1973 that the lid of the piano is open. That tells me that the piano is being mic'ed from just above the strings and the soundboard (two, maybe three mic's). The soundman would then distribute his signal into the stage monitors so everyone could hear him. Recall here that they spent a lot of time sound checking to get the balance just right (sometimes longer than the actual show!). However you will also notice that some time after 1974 (still open on the Dylan 74 tour and summer 74 shows), the piano's top is down and the piano is covered by what appears to be a moving blanket--see photos of the 76 tour and the Last Waltz. Probable explanation: a company called Helpinstill created an electromagnetic pickup system for pianos in 1972. Bill Payne says that Richard's Steinway had the markings on the soundboard that that very system had been installed. To isolate the piano from outside vibrations (especially bass amps--Rick's was nearby) they would encase the piano in a sound deadening cover. It's quite evident in the Last Waltz. Richard could then control the level of the three pickups which were placed on the soundboard to cover the low, mid-range, and high strings and put that summed signal through his onstage amp--the same one he used for his Hohner clavinette and (later) his ARP synthesizer.

Richard later used a Kawai electric grand, basically a mini grand piano with a similar pickup system that was lighter and easier to transport. His Steinway is now in Ultratone Studios in Studio City, CA.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sound!

Glad I just stopped by here. Pretty interesting to hear what Pat and Peter have to say. I'm very sure you know far more than me about sound Pat so I'm interested to know your thoughts on what I have to say.

When I was playing pretty large clubs, (not show rooms or auditoriums) just pretty big, what we call cabarette clubs out here. I wouldn't really know the sq. foot of the rooms but they hold about 600 people. Anyway my sound system was 1200 watts up front. 800 on the bass bins, 200 on the mids and 200 on the high. We had 600 on the on stage monitors. We had a sound man would come in the day we were setting up in a club. He would blow "Pink sound" and set the eq graph. As we started to play we would then tweak the graph on a 24 channel board.

I am wondering if you have ever heard of "Ralph Brock" he is a guy in Vancouver BC who builds these bass bins. They are huge! I bought a set for these big rooms we played. Not kidding. If you stood in front of one and the drummer was setting his kick drum sound it hits you in the chest so hard it was like a hand hitting you.

We could be so loud it was uncomfortable. Thank fully this sound man Ruddy taught me how to control that. However I am very interested in how you guys explain miking pianos.


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Posted by:

Rod

Read an article by Bill Payne discussing Richard's grand from The Band days. Evidentially they used a system called the "hedgehog" (I think) to mic it up. It invloved alot of screws inside the piano.

Something I often wondered about is who owned the groups instruments. The keyboards would have been alot more expensive than the guitars. I think Rick's Rippers and Ampegs were donated by the manufacturers anyway.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Not to get too into the weeds, but Alderson used Electro Voice 666's for the amps and the piano. I'm guessing he used two mic's on the piano because one would have given him an unbalanced sound. In the footage of the time you can see at least one mic on the piano. It also sounds like he used two mic's on Garth's Leslie. Hard to mic one of those with just one mic, but now you are running into the limitations of 10 mixing channels.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Fascinating insights, Pat. Presumably they would have used a dedicated piano mic? Did they exist back then? I recall using two (or maybe three) ordinary mics for acoustic piano circa 1970. Certainly two mics on our mid 70s shows with Steinway baby Grand.

Fast forwards to 2019 (and the gig I organized for the palmer james group) we were told to put the Yamaha keyboard through the PA, as straight guitar amps couldn't handle the left hand of piano well. Our keyboard player dated back to having twin Leslie speakers. We had a separate monitor for piano so he could hear himself.

I do recall that acoustic piano was always a bastard to mic up, plus inevitably out of tune unless tuned directly before the show.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M makes an interesting observation which begs the question: what did Dylan/Hawks sound like onstage to the musicians? First off, despite the crowd memories of intense volume, the group did not use a lot of amplification. Dylan and RR look like they are using Fender Bandmasters which included two 12" speakers driven by a 40 watt amp. Looks like Rick was using a Fender Bassman, a 50 watt amp driving a combo of either 12" or 15" speakers. Garth's Lowrey ran through a 40 watt Leslie. By today's standards, that is not a lot of power.

Richard Alderson did the live mixes. He had each amp mic'ed and what looks like two mic's on the drums and piano. For a mixing board he used two Altec 1567A's which gave him ten channels. For power he used 3 Macintosh 275's which delivered two channels of 75 watts a piece. The PA was an Altec speaker system, possibly the Voice of the Theater system. Crucially, there were no stage monitors.

Now we know The Hawks could get a good stage mix but a mic'ed piano with no monitors is going to be a continuing problem. They certainly didn't play quiet enough to hear the piano by itself. There is also footage of Dylan during soundcheck complaining to Alderson that he couldn't hear his vocals very well from the stage, which means he was relying on the sound of his voice coming back to him after being amplified into the hall--remember, no stage monitors. Given all these factors, the stage sound would have been very different depending where you were onstage. Dylan and RR would have been in the best stage positions. They could hear Garth, RR's amp, the drums and Rick's amp clearly by balancing the sound with their own controls. Dylan's voice would have been the room/hall sound and subject to vagaries, and the piano would be the least heard instrument with only two mic's and no monitors. Rick would have heard the piano better since he was right next to it, but the difference in impact between an acoustic instrument and an amplifier is massive. Sitting at the piano would have been problematic. No monitor to hear yourself, a long way from Garth, a bit closer to RR but well within audio reach of Rick and the drums. The only benefit is that you are closer to the PA on stage left, but the PA would sound pretty muffled if you were behind it because of the physical properties of speaker enclosures.

Alderson got really good mixing live and making his recordings of the mixes. The musicians listened to them and knew they sounded good even though it probably didn't sound as good onstage. Many audience members complained that they couldn't hear Dylan's voice during the electric part of the show. The combo of the four amps and live drums probably overwhelmed the PA, but those tapes show that Dylan and the Hawks delivered under some pretty trying technical circumstances.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: The Best of The Best on gb

I continue my serie on fabulous gb regulars (and today even lurkers.)

To all you playgirls here in gb: today's cute guy is NORBERT. "Norbert is a gem" like the famous gb lurker Zimmy once wrote, cryptically. (More of Zimmy in this serie later on, stay tuned. BTW I have his permission to call him for Zimmy.)

Norbert "fooled" me to to act as a debuty moderator in the Legacy of The Band Guestbook. As always, it was me who fooled myself. I was falattered. I had to pay for it (not money, it was actually Norbert himself who payd to have this gb in the server!). The hacking activity made me (and my wife) to contact Swedish Internet Police. They were interested in this gb: it was a "perfect" forum for middle aged pedos. I - for myself - learned that there is nothing to do.

I have spoken with Norbert's mother in telephone. Being Bob Dylan I probably could write a song of it.

With that said: the guy should be hanged. Slowly.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Cabbagetown person

Wishing you cupcakes today.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rod: I think Garth's amazing on BTM at every show, which is why I wondered if Bob wanted a ringside seat - facing Garth from a piano bench.

Speaking of which, did Dylan simply take over Richard's piano, or was there always a second piano nearer centre stage for him to play. And what did Richard do with his free time - play maracas?


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Thin Man

I'm picking Bob wrote it on piano. The progression is very effective and relatively easy to play. It could be quite difficult on guitar unless you are in Am or Bm (or using a capo). Not one you can just strum chords to. Even so on some of those 66 clips he doesn't always do much on guitar so perhaps he just liked a change. Garth's parts on BTF are amazing.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks all. I still wonder why just that song of all songs. I would say Dylan adds anything in particular to the sound (not forgetting that he wrote it).

In other news, I opened up the listings just now and see that Cashmere Magnus plays down the street in an hour and a bit.


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Posted by:

Dave H

The funny thing is that Dylan now mostly plays piano on stage (supposedly he has arthritis which makes a full set of guitar-playing painful) but "Thin Man" is one of the few songs he performs with guitar...


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Posted by:

Pat B

Lots of footage from 66 of Dylan playing piano on Thin Man.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Thin Man

Dylan also played piano on the song at the Forest Hills and Hollywood Bowl concerts in 1965, before the tour with the Hawks. And again on the 1974 tour.


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Posted by:

Dave H

Bill M: Don't know for sure, but Dylan played piano on the studio version of "Thin Man" too...he probably just wanted to accompany himself the same way he did on the album.


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Posted by:

Bill M

I have a question. The background is that I'm still working through the Dylan / Hawks shows in the UK in '66. It wasn't until the Cardiff show, when Dylan talked a bit about the piano, that I realised that he'd gotten into the habit of taking over for Richard for "Ballad Of A Thin Man". Since Richard seems to me to have been a much better pianist, and clearly enjoyed the role on that tour, I'm wondering why. Did Dylan wish to commune more directly with Sir Garth, whose big song this was? Something of a call-and-response thing.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko

What a voice. What a bass player. What a wonderful man.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Simcoe

Yes Bill, all 3 hailed from Simcoe Ontario; in the tobacco belt.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Simcoe

That one had never occurred to me, Bill. Good point.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Andy: I've always thought it was Rick having fun, riffing on the fact that he and his band-mate brother Terry hailed from Simcoe. Quite possibly Jim Atkinson did too.


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Posted by:

Andy M70

Location: London, England

Subject: Rick Danko ‘New Mexicoe / Mexico’

I wonder if anyone can settle a debate for me?

The track ‘New Mexicoe’ on Rick Danko’s 1977 debut studio album is listed as ‘New Mexicoe’ on the original vinyl release, and most CD reissues.

I’ve also seen the song listed as ‘New Mexico’ (as on the 2000 European EMI release).

Does anyone know which is the correct spelling? I’m wondering if ‘New Mexicoe’ is a typo, or if that is the actual title of the track!

Thanks in advance, Andy


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Posted by:

Bill M

Calm: Deepest condolences on your loss. Thanks for taking the time to post.


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Posted by:

Rod

Thanks Dag. I love reading those old articles


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Posted by:

critter

Subject: Calm

To all former friends of Calm (Gail), I'm sorry to tell you that she lost her battle with cancer last night. All of your contact information is in her computer, which hasn't worked for awhile. My email address is still the same, if you need it. I am able to get to the online version of her email account, but it doesn't contain the contact info.

To the regular Guestbook members, please forgive me for this intrusion. The chat room and friends here were always special, and this was the meeting place.

All of you, please take care.

critter


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in 1983-86

Another one...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Australian Pink Floyd Show

Review added of The Australian Pink Floyd Show, at Bournemouth International Centre, 7 December 2019. They vie with The Bootleg Beatles as the most elaborate and popular of tribute bands, easily filling large halls a year ahead. They have a massive light show and sound like the real thing, but … well., I was critical. Read the review.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V, jh: Thanks for the "Driftin' Away" and Chambers Bros videos. Rick was brilliant on vocals; I wish he'd sung the whole song. As for the Chambers, I wonder if drummer Brian Keenan pushed for them to give it a try, since he would have known the Hawks from their days in NJ.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: The Best of The Best of gb profiles

Next person in my serie "The Best Of The Best of gb profiles" is Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

He is a strange guy (in positive meaning) in the history of gb. Hosting once a rock music show in Wisconsin, being a hippie and a Grateful Dead fan with psychedelic homesite in Geocities. I told him that the legendary mountain bike rider Gary Fisher from Marin County was Dead's light show manager. (I know at least SOMETHING!) By that time i rode mountain bike races with a Gary Fisher bike and "everybody" knew that. Not SUNDOG, though.

"Last time I saw Tim was in Vegas". No, this is not true but it sounds like ROCK'N'ROLL, does it.

What makes Tim so special is that he is probably the last person in gb who saw Rick Danko performing live. He posted selfies from that show which were a pain to see for people who were close to him. I understand. But I found peace in those photos. Rick was .... Rick.


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Posted by:

Rod

Love that Driftin' Away video. Nice vocals and bass from Rick.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: palmer james group

I've been tied up in an unusual role promoting a private gig by my oldest and best friends,the palmer james group, who disbanded 51years ago. After stellar careers they re-assembled from England, Germany and the USA for this special performance. Follow the link to see lots of pictures and review.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: These Days

To see a real wonderful and emotional video, search on youtube. Gregg Alman & Jackson Browne "segment". There is some real good interview segment including with Don Was. Jackson Browne wrote this song, however Gregg Allman recorded it first. They became very good friends and this is a video of them singing it together on stage........beautiful.

Well watching the video Peter posted, on my sidebar was another video I put up and watched. Rick Danko and Garth, "Twilight".....the best.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: DFA live 1991...

Thanks Peter, that's just lovely. I saw Rick live a number of times in the 90s and as much as I enjoyed the performances I didn't often see that level of focus.

As a related point of interest, Jonas Fjeld has collaborated with Judy Collins on a new album called Winter Stories. They've been touring together on it and just wrapped up a NYC residency.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Driftin' Away

Rick Danko on "Driftin' Away" - Norwegian TV 1991. From Terry Danko's Facebook page. Incredible!


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Nick Lowe

Amazon are selling Cruel To Be Kind: The Life and Music of Nick Lowe for nearly half price as a limited time deal. The Convincer is one of my top ten albums of all time.

Beautiful version of The Weight by The Chambers Brothers. It reminded me of The Holmes Brothers great version of Nick's (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Silky smooth cover of "The Weight", recorded 45 years ago by the amazing Chambers Brothers. Enjoy.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nick Lowe bio

There’s a number of Band references in the book. NL and Brinsley Schwartz were big fans. When The Band came over for the Wimbley performance they set up and rehearsed at the Brinsley’s music place and borrowed their gear, except for Garth. NL commented that their instruments had never sounded so good!


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: New Nick Lowe bio

PV - I just finished this and thought it was great. The writer is Will Branch. He’s obviously a big fan but I thought he was also objective. There’s loads of info on the English music scene from the 50’s right up to the present; history and people you’d likely be much more familiar with than me. I haven’t been overly impressed with all the music biographies out these days; some are very poorly written, including typos and spelling errors. This one is top notch I’d say.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Lovely England

It seems to be a thing on Brit TV to set some programs in stunning places: The Detectorists, Vera, George Gently, Shetland, Father John?, one with a Scottish detective looking for a child killer in a beachy resort place, etc. There was one with a rich woman from London who settles into a bucolic Cotswolds (sp?) village and solves murders there. I’ve never been outside London but some of those places depicted look quite appealing. We have a thanksgiving tradition of watching Local Hero and that Scotty place has great appeal too - it’s a very well written movie and we can now do most of the dialog ourselves with the sound off; any newcomer guests just think we (me mostly) are wankers showing off!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Beauty of the UK

This post is for any one who is interested, but particularly for Peter, Dunc and any of our other UK friends. Since retiring in the last couple years I have very much enjoyed being able just to lay back with no pressure of business on my mind and enjoy a lot of really great movies.

One of the things I most enjoy is being able to get over to my desk and look up where the film locations are. Example is the beauty of New Zealand in the "Lord of the Ring" series.

I am just watching "Snow White and the Huntsman" as I am a fan of both Charlise Theron and Chris Hemsworth. It is filmed in places in the UK I know little about and there is so much to see. Also the Rob Roy with Liam Neeson in the Highlands was wonderful. It is making me enthusiastic to see some of that country. I so much enjoyed the out back of Australia and also Tasmania.


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Posted by:

ray mizumura

Subject: The Irishman

I enjoyed the picture and found it quite moving as well as witty in places.

The pace and tone contrasted with previous examples of the genre directed by Mr. Scorsese, confirming his artistry and range once again. Fine work by all involved. I am glad to be around during his career, and the same goes for those of DeNiro, Pacino, and Robbie Robertson.


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Posted by:

Rod

Just finished the Irishman. It was ok.my teenagers really enjoyed it. They're into Italian gangster movies.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Irishman & Shag Time Willy

Marty lost a lot off his fastball a long long time ago........everything he does contains some bits of brilliance but only bits. There was a feeling in the film community dating back decades that the "Director's Cut" of a film was always the best version of any film........it almost never was ! The Irishman demonstrates why the studios ussualy knew what they were doing.........no one has better ears on the selection of music to put in films than RR, though.......still the case.

Once Were Brothers is playing at the Hot Docs theatre Bloor and Bathurst


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Posted by:

Anaïs

Subject: The Irishman

Did Robbie not say this movie was like nothing else Scorsese had done before? I thought it was just another very predictable Scorsese mob movie and a very predictable soundtrack by Robbie! Scorsese has recently been working on a film about New York City’s vibrant music scene of the 1970's in a forthcoming documentary.


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Posted by:

Shag Time Willy

Location: A Comfortable Rocking Chair

Subject: Once Were Brothers

Any of you kind, generous folk know where and or when one can see Once Were Brothers.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Robbie shedding some new light on the creation of "Up on Cripple Creek".


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Happy U.S. Thanksgiving Day to some of the former posters here down below the 49th whom I fondly remember, espy Jeff, Bob, Butch, Ray, Lil and Lars, and to the rest of you as well. Go easy on the bird.


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Posted by:

Dave H

"Happy Thanksgiving!" — Rick Danko


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko - Blue Tail Fly (1989)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Five Great Canadian albums

Let’s Frolic Again - Blackie and the Rodeo Kings - Garth on accordion and Richard Bell on piano on Old Hotel are amazing. Great song after great song, outstanding musicianship.

Live In London - Leonard Cohen - saw this show in Glasgow. The great poet accompanied by brilliant musicians, commanding an audience.

Hitchhiker - Neil Young - I think the performance series is great.

Complete Greatest Hits - Gordon Lightfoot - I only really know the hits, but this album gets a lot of plays. I really enjoyed seeing him in concert.

Ladies of the Canyon - Joni Mitchell - bought Big Yellow Taxi when it came out and still love it. I only have three Joni albums but there is a great 8 album set for a ridiculously low price. I’m contemplating buying it, but do I have too much music? (The reason I don’t know her work so comprehensively is because of Sandy Denny and to a lesser extent Jacqui McShee with Pentangle.)

All played this week.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Post Script

I had meant to comment. Watching "The Irishman", I was very much aware of how Trump talks just like those mob guys. It is such a laugh he is a wannabe mob boss. It is funny how the Trump lovers hate Deniro when Trumps sounds just as stupid as the mobsters. I recall in an interview a while back when Deniro says about Trump he's a wannabe and he gives gangstas a bad name. Not even any of them lie that much.

These people who hate Deniro and think he's dumb probably have not followed his career that much. Right back from the days of "The Deer Hunter" he has played some very difficult parts and he obviously has done his home work on a lot of history. One movie I really enjoyed with some expert acting was "Sleepers" where Deniro plays a priest.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I hear you paint houses

Hello Roger! glad I looked in this morning. Happy you are enjoying your holiday. Roberts Creek is where we lived when I ended my high school going to Elphinstone High in Gibsons. My folks lived in Roberts Creek for 35 years.

Last night I had a go at watching "The Irishman". Never finished, fell asleep. A typical Pacino, Deniro, Pesi gangsta movie. Watching it on Netflix maybe I'll finish it today.

The line "I hear you paint houses" to Deniro and he answers "and I do my own carpentry" gave me a chuckle. Reminds me of a long time ago when I was admonishing Bumbles about all those holes out in the Jersey swamps with bodies stuck in them. Bumbles very indignantly says "They are not swamps they are Meadow Lands" :-)

Anyone who has seen "The Irishman" will know. I was watching it in bed. Susan was interested in it at first then she gives me this scornful look. They swear worse than you do!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Helge D - I’m your Huckleberry

ANSWER: “This Is Where I Get Off”......Album: “How To Become Clairvoyant”


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Guilt

Sync - we’re away (Roberts Creek at the weekend Norm!) but Guilt is storing up for us. It’ll have to be after Spiral and The Crown though. The Crown - the Aberfan episode was remarkable. Canada is wonderful. We were in a coffee shop in Tofino the other day and Rag Mama Rag came blasting (sedately) through the speakers. Never happens in Birmingham.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Christmas

Anyone else really enjoying the new RR Christmas song ? Nice to hear him actually singing and in good humour...and some fine guitar as well....Try not to wait 48 hrs to get back to me on this.....God, I miss JT....this place has never been the same.


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Posted by:

Helge D

Location: Norway

Subject: Happy holidays

I’m sure I have heard this song before, also sung by Robbie. Any one who knows?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

JQ, Lisa: Thanks for the pointers to Nathaniel Rateliff. I liked his "Caravan" more and more with each passing minute (and a lot of minutes passed). I just wish the guitarists hadn't felt the need to reclaim the spotlight after Rateliff's great finish. Not even a thanks or shout-out.

I also liked the kind of music he was doing on the drink song. A lot. Reminds me of the best label comp I've heard, "Bob Geddins' Big Town Records Story" - 1/3 sacred gospel songs and 2/3 profane R&B songs. Well worth tracking down.

I haven't the foggiest idea why, but the second little thumbnail 'recommendation' that appears down the right side of the YouTube screen when Rateliff was singing the drink song was "Asshole" by Dennis Leary. Ten years ago I heard and enjoyed a song with the chorus "I'm an asshole", but I never knew who it was by. So I clicked on the Dennis Leary song - at link - and sure enough, that was the one. Still pretty funny and largely on-target.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks JQ, I did enjoy that. What a powerhouse - he really puts it out there, doesn't he? When I saw Caravan listed on the Last Waltz videos I wondered who'd be brave enough to take that one on. Not a song very many singers could carry off I should think, but he was the perfect choice.


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Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Nathaniel Rateliff

Hi Lisa - I don't know if you've seen this but you might enjoy it -


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Dylan

Saw Bob last night. Added a second guitarist and a new drummer. More rocking and bluesy. His voice is the best I’ve heard in years. Kick ass band. Bob played guitar on 2 songs. Outstanding performance and lots of incredible new lyrics. The humor is still deeply intact.


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Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Ragtime's guestbook archive 1999

A shocking experience.

Today I walked through the "Passage", which is a shopping arcade in The Hague, dating from the early 1900s.

They were playing muzak. I hate muzak. Well, we all do, of course. I once was a militant member of a Dutch anti-muzak society fighting for a muzak-free environment. It doesn't exist anymore (this society, I mean).

Anyway: I had to be there to do some shopping, this morning. Couldn't avoid it. Normally I try not to hear what the loudspeakers are doing to me. This time I was struck by a whiny tune that sounded vaguely familiar.

It happened to be a slow & slimy arrangement of "Chest Fever"!

I had to play the real thing all day to expell this painful experience out of my head. Now I'm wondering how one of the most intense Band songs could be turned into something absolutely horrible.

Another no less shocking experience.

Some time ago I was interviewed for a magazine as part of a series: What Music Do Reviewers Like Most? Kind of a Desert Island Discs query.

One of the questions was: "Do you like any other music than classical?" - Oh yes, I said.

"Do you listen to rock music by any chance?" - Oh yes.

"What rock music?" - The Band.

"The band? What band?" - Just The Band.

"The band?" - Yes, The Band.

"Oh, now I see! The Dutch Swing College Band, of course!" - No, no, no! I'm not a dixieland guy and I never wear a tuxedo! I'm getting tired now... it 's The Band.

"I don't understand! What band?" - Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan?

"Bob Dylan? Of course I've heard of Bob Dylan! Who hasn't? The guy that won the Nobel Prize" - Well, that Band!

Now today the magazine came out in print and what does it say? I like Bob Dylan and his band...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

To the man who invented autocorrect:

I ducking hope you burn in hello


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Thank you, BEG!

Yes, Lisa.....Rateliff soared......Caravan a knockout in 1976 and 2019....wild !

Ya gotta know, it wasn't that evil Robbie Robertson that broke up the Band with TLW......it was the Ukrainians! ....anyhow....THANK YOU....that concert has meant so much to me over the last 40 years. Beautiful memories.

So so heartwarming to see Robbie letting it rip a bit and being alive to soak in what TLW has meant to so many......and take note Jed.....Robbie can still play guitar.

As to this GB history.....I was not a fan of the early years.....some staggeringly good writing about Band matters but overwhelmed always by ridiculous and viscous attacks against RR and squabbles amounts GB members..........I truly believe the golden era of this GB was the "Renegade Years" 2003-2008....not just because I was prominent during that era but because it seemed a time when we had an almost perfect balance of music and life writing........Steve, David P, Todd, bob w, PSB, Mike Nomad, the legendary Bumbles, Northern Boy, the always graceful Joan, PutEmUp(friendO), Peter V and Pat B as moderators....oh...to suspend Jeff for 3 games or a full season being an almost daily drama.....


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Posted by:

Peter V

You're the third person saying "You must watch Guilt." Have to finish The Crown Series 3 first.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Great to see Robbie perform in those clips. There is still some magic left in the fingers.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Wow is right! I never heard of Nathaniel Rateliff before, but that was a cracking Caravan.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

I would like to have seen that too Beg.

Peter and Roger make sure you watch ‘Guilt’, the Scottish black comedy. Record collecting is a theme running through the four episodes. Rick gets a great mention in the second episode and I couldn’t make out the album they were referring to in the background. Maybe Peter will be able to identify every piece of music used in the series.

It’s been a big hit here and critically acclaimed. And I notice it’s getting good reviews at your end of the UK.

Wallsend, I’m sure it’ll come to your area of the world because of its success.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Wow! i'd have flown all the way to Nashville for that one!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band’s Robbie Robertson Performs At The Last Waltz Nashville

Nov 24, 2019
Andy Kahn
JAMBASE


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Posted by:

Dave H

Hi Lisa: no, that's not me, I've always posted as Dave Hopkins or Dave H. I remember that I started reading the GB a bit before Jubilation came out, but the first post of mine that I can find in the archives is from December '98.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Dave, are you Dave from Minneapolis? I've been reading through the archives, and by crazy coincidence where I stopped, and then picked up today, was your review of Dylan's Manchester "Judas" concert CD, which you had just received. It's January 22, 1608, 1998, and was obviously a memorable experience for you.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

I've been here since '98 too, seldom posting but always lurking. Back then I was a college student...now I'm a senior professor! Still love the Band, and so glad the GB and all of you are still here too.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nick Lowe - Live, September 2019

PV - While you’re mooching around his catalog you might want to check this out on YouTube. Very good sound and it’s his most recent act, set list and band.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Last Five

I do like that picture of Robbie on Bass with Levon on Mandolin and Rick on Acoustic- It looks like a very early 1969-70 show?

Last Five

Beck - Bottle of Blues

Boubacar Traoré - Africa

Randy Newman - Harps and Angels

Tift Merrit - Supposed To Make You Happy

Keith Richards - Love Overdue


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Last Five

Last five:

The Band, 5.1 surround version

Live At The Star Club, Hamburg – Jerry Lee Lewis with the Nashville Teens, often cited as the best live traditional rock & roll album ever. It may be.

Labour of Love: The Songs of Nick Lowe – Various Artists.

16 All Time Lowes- Nick Lowe.

Join Me & Let’s Be Free – Wilson Pickett, 1975 RCA album. A touch generic.


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Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: low countries

Subject: My first steps in this GB

If my mem'ry serves me well... My first steps in this GB were in 1998, when Jubilation came out. I allowed myself to comment on Levon's and Rick's singing on that album and was subsequently reprimanded by Uncle Hangover, the constantly drinking guy from Joe's Generic Cafe. After some time Jan made this endearing old friend disappear ;-)

And yes, NorthWestCoaster, I welcomed you and your dog to the GB, and was reprimanded again, by Serge this time. Those happy old days... ;-)



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Posted by:

Rod

This site was the first one I visited when I got my first dial up connection. Back in 95 I think. Had read about in in a book which was a bit like a yellow pages for the web. It said it was one of the best music sites around. Very true.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hello Roger

Welcome to the west coast Roger. A little wet this time of year. As I sit here by my fire with head phones on listening to a lot of Playing for Change youtube, this thought struck me. I had to laugh out loud.

Think back to 1968 - 1969, could we ever have believed we could be sitting here watching and listening to a man in Nepal playing "The Weight" on a sitar. I can never get tired of listening to these master pieces.


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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Origins

I hooked up with the internet in 1996 and the first thing I did was seek out The Band. I was happy to find Jan's site. Karl Wallendzus was an early poster. A few Brits posted around May and June because The Band played a couple of dates in the UK. Karl and I hooked up to travel to a couple of events - Garth in London and a showing of The Last Waltz. I occasionally drive past his road in Oxford but haven't seen him for years. I remember Paul Godfrey well. He had a connection to Birmingham and we emailed back and forth a bit. I'm currently in Vancouver - so nearer holy ground than usual.


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Posted by:

Norm J "Westcoaster"

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Interesting Bill

In the history of the Band Guestbook it's hard for me to remember exactly when I began to interact. I got my first computer in 1999 when I found how well the GPS navigation system worked so I had it on my boat. I think I first brought it home in 2000 or 2001. For a few months I observed the Guest book. I think at that time Norbert was at the helm. Then there was that period for a while when Tracey had that pink page.

The first thing that prompted me to post I recall a guy named John was saying what an insult it was to be called a Canuck. He said his grand father would fight. I believe he was French Canadian. I was motivated to explain "Johnny Canuck"

The first fellow that I had conversation with was Paul Godfrey. A very nice fellow who we unfortunately lost a long way back. "Shine On". Paul and I discussed at that time Don Gibson and his huge hit "Sea of Heart Break". I do miss Paul's company.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Twenty sounds right, give or take a year.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

ATTENTION CITIZENS: make sure you read the Clash Magazine article on The Band (1969 album) that Jan has linked to on the What's New page (currently the 3rd link down). Excellent evocative writing, and brimming with insights and asides about the writing and recording process that I have not heard before.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Time flies

22 years. When did we go to Lyme Regis, Bill? I was thinking a dozen years, but it must be nearer twenty!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: Thanks for doing that research. If you'd asked me yesterday I would have sworn up and down that I joined in '95 or '96. But no, it was really November '97, by which time John, Pat, Peter and Rod were all on the scene. And maybe others. Plus, I feel that David Powell is always here with us.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Inspired by NorthWestCoasters post I went back to the beginnings of the Guestbook. I was wondering when exactly any current posters would show up, and the winner is: John Donabie, April 19, 1997!


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Posted by:

Bill

NwC: If a poet turned their (see Peter, I learn) attention to the history of the GB, "And Serge Daniloff got mad" would end every blessed verse in the first half.

jh and Jon L: "Twilight" is lovely, whoever sings it. If it's from the early '70s, I wonder why it didn't come out on an earlier album. I also wonder how it came to us with Rick singing; as Robbie wrote with the singer's voice in mind, it makes sense that Richard would have gotten first crack at it in the studio.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Michael J. Pollard

Guess somewhere there could be an unreleased album with input from Band-members.


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Posted by:

Rod

Peter I agree about the Mona Lisa. Saw it once and was surprised how small it was. The Band is my favourite album too. King Harvest, Raga Mama Rag and Unfaithful Servant in my top 10 songs.

John D, you must have a few stories about that night at TLW.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Michael J Pollard Dies at the age of 80

When I was invited to The Last Waltz in 1976 and was wondering where I could sit; when I wasn't wondering around out front. I was directed to go behind the curtain to the left of Richard Manual. There I was all alone; until Michael J. Pollard was ushered in as well. It was just the two of us behind the curtain. Had a great conversation with him. I knew him best for his role in Bonnie & Clyde. R.I.P.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Wow. He is just everywhere these days. Crazy!


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Location: Nowhere near Los Angle-ees
Web: My link

Subject: Happy Holidays

Robbie's new track.


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Posted by:

Ari

Subject: Robbie’s Christmas

Has anybody heard Robbies new Christmas song???


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Twilight demo

Jan, I just love that Twilight. That demo recording is used to great effect towards the end of the Once Were Brothers film, which nicely uses a number of demos and alternate takes to keep things fresh. I actually thought it was Richard on vocals here on first listen. Seems likely it is Robbie aiming (quite effectively IMO) for a Richard-type vocal.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: This Site

Hello

Today I start my serie on THE FABULOUS "THE BEST OF THE BEST IN HISTORY OF GB"... people who introduced me to one of the most remarkable band in the history of American rock music. Later on you'll "meet" legendary Band profiles like late Mr. Serge Daniloff, Mr. Leon Dener, Mr. Greil Marcus. You'll meet lurkers like "Zimmie" (in fact, he told me "you may call me Zimmie").

Let's start from the start. For forty years ago in the childhood of the internet I sat in teachers' office. Actually, I waited for my spouse to finnish her teacher-parents discussions. Windows 95 'puters were in front of me. I searched "The Band" in Altavista. I found this site.

It didn't take too long before I posted my first contribution (nothing which would change the world). Surprise-surprise: I got reaction from RAGTIME WILLIE. He welcomed me to this gb. He got a lot of s**t beacause of that. A Canadian Band profile Serge Daniloff got mad: "You don't have any right to wish anyone welcome here." - After that I became an internet friend with RAGTIME WILLIE, a Dutchman. He has a great knowledge on Finnish classical music. In fact, he is classically educated. Occassionally, he is still posting here.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The trouble is …

The real joy of the new remaster is the 5.1 blu ray, which does reveal new stuff. I agree on the drum sound. You can't polish perfection. With the box set you get it on CD, blu-ray and vinyl (two LPs at 12" single speed … 45 rpm for greater fidelity) and Rag Mama Rag / Unfaithdful Servant on a 45 rpm single, plus the complete Woodstock set in great quality. The photos are beautifully presented, but the new text is pretty short. For most, three versions in different media is overkill. I don't know whether they'll later make the 5.1 available on its own. The same is true of Big Pink. I've only been playing the blu ray - it's been a busy week. I've suddenly got addicted to re-listening to Nick Lowe non stop too.

The Mona Lisa, BTW, is extremely disappointing. It's behind bulletproof glass and you can't get near it. In contrast the cleaned up stuff in the Uffizi in Florence is not and is jaw dropping, especially Birth of Venus (aka Venus on the Half Shell).

Probably my favourite album of all time. It competes with Sgt. Pepper, Blonde on Blonde and What's Going On, but if I could only have one, it would probably be the Brown Album. (Though if it was just one side of an album, Abbey Road Side Two might win … or Magical Mystery Tour Side 2 with the singles). So I thought the investment in the 5.1 worth it (though I can't say I've gone back to Big Pink 5.1 much)


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Band

The 50th edition hasn't hit the stores here yet. I don't want to buy it online as I feel I should support the few CD/LP stores that still exist here. I have listened to it on Spotify and I know that the quality is not as good as it wil l be on CD. It sounds brighter and clearer but I'm not sure if I like that yet - almost a bit dry in places, a bit Cahootsy. Really don't like the drum sounds on some tracks - seems to have lost that woody sound which was part of the trade mark sound. I'm listening on HS7s which can be a bit bright, comparing the new versions with the original mixes on YouTube. It is nice to hear the slightly different mixes but it's a bit like changing the contrast on the Mona Lisa.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: John Mann, RIP

Today's sad musical news was of the death of John Mann, leader of Vancouver's wonderful Spirit of the West, a celtic-ish group. Their only kinda-sorta intersection with the Band was a compilation called something like "Canadian on Mountain Stage", on which they sang "Political" and Garth and Rick performed "Twilight" (which janh just posted another version of).

Their big song was the lovely "If Venice Is Sinking". Rather than linking to the official video, I've linked to a very moving production of the song onstage at Massey Hall a few years ago, preceded by a context-setting exercise. John had been diagnosed as suffering from early-onset dementia, and this was part of a short goodbye tour. Especially moving is seeing him having to read lyrics that he'd sung without assistance every night for 20 years before his faculties started to fade away.

For me personally, another link is that my closest friend had died of the same cause at 58. (Mann was 57.) And he was a HUGE Band fan. We went to see the gala opening of "The Last Waltz" movie after class in 1978. And I took him to see BaRK's Last Waltz tribute with Garth Hudson special guesting - maybe 10 years ago. He even got to go backstage to meet Garth, Maud and Bill Avis.

Dunc: The song after Venice is "I Was The King Of Scotland". It's about Idi Amin.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Twilight

Lovely vocals from JRR on this early '70s demo.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: the Paupers

And here's "Numbers" by the Paupers. Brad Campbell sing the first half and plays bass; the principal singer (and songwriter), Adam Mitchell, sings the second half. Both those guys, and also drummer Skip Prokop and guitarist Chuck Beal, went on to do other work with Albert Grossman, suggesting he wasn't really all that bad.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Kevin J: Here's the Last Words' biggest hit, "Give Me Time" - from 1967. Bill Dureen sings, Brad Campbell plays bass.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bill Dureen & Brad Campbell

Bill Dureen........I am sorry about the loss of your friend........also pleased, as you noted, that Bill M takes the time and effort to get details right about people's lives. Not everyone who picks up an instrument goes on to world-wide fame but so many great musicians like Bill Dureen and Brad Campbell made an important mark in the musical life of a pretty good rock n roll city called Toronto.....and I for one care a lot about learning that history.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Nice of Bill Dureen to chime in like that. A modest man - not only did he play piano with the Last Words, but he also did the lead singing and wrote most of their original songs. One thing I wish I'd added to my little history of Brad Campbell was that in addition to their own three 45s, they also backed Jack London on his only record after leaving the Sparrows (who flew south and emerged as Steppenwolf). I suppose there's a touch of irony in the fact that Brad's first recording with Janis Joplin also included two Sparrows-Steppenwolfers, Jerry Edmonton and Goldie McJohn.


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Posted by:

Bill Dureen

Location: Toronto, Ontario

Subject: Brad Campbell

Thank you Bill Munson and John Donabie for letting your group know of Brad Campbell's (bassist for Janis Joplin) passing. I played keys in his first band, The Last Words. Bill, your post was the most accurate history I've read. It will be tough to carry on without his humour and talent. Still shocked.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Scores

There is a growing movement to go digital with orchestral scores, as opposed to the usual paper scores that can become so overwritten with notes, corrections, etc. as to be almost unreadable, to say nothing of the work in providing 85+ physical scores to all the music that might be played in a season. This also eliminates having to turn pages of the traditional paper score.

I know it's been tried, but don't know how successful it's been so far. Interesting idea, though.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Hey Wallsend...

Hey Wallsend - on classical music - we saw the Australian Chamber Orchestra at Newcastle Town Hall last week. Lots of bowing and much brilliant scraping. Were you there?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Then I guess Trini was simply offering some gratuitous fatherly advice when he spoke of Dylan's sheet music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Wasn't Mickey Jones with Johnny Rivers when he left to join Dylan?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Re Trini Lopez and sheet music, I did a bit of research and couldn't find any reference to Herman's Hermits. There was, however, a reference to Trini's unsuccessful attempt to convince Mickey Jones not to leave him for Bob Dylan. Apparently he was one of those who didn't think much of Bob going electric.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Performing Rights Licences

Performing rights is another area like this. If you have a second hand record shop and play music, you have to have a Performing Rights licence in the UK. The proceeds are divvied out to composers by some sort of calculation. This goes way back. When a band played live they had to fill out a performing rights sheet (often my job). We always wrote only the band’s own songs down in the vain hope of eventually getting a higher place (or rather just "a place") in the share out. We cheated, we lied.

My friends with second hand record shops say that they get inspected and checked too, and it’s quite a bit of money. They also go after fashion shops, dentists, osteopaths, anyone who plays recorded music in a business context. I heard of one therapist who is a good pianist who recorded herself playing her own compositions to play to patients and told them to Fu*k off.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sheet music. As music publishers hold separate copyrights to record labels, they have been active in maintaining copyright, more so than record companies and streaming and youtube. It was common for schools and amateur orchestras and opera groups etc to photocopy sheet music, because they needed (say) 30 or 40 sets. The music publishers acted together, selected two wealthy public (i.e. private) schools and took them to court for breach of copyright in photocopying music. One was Rugby School famous for inventing the game and “Tom Brown’s Schooldays.” It was highly publicized. As an author, we were pleased they did, because photocopying affected us badly too. Now many countries pay a photocopying royalty. They select a few institutions every 6 months who have to record what they photocopy or scan and print from books and extrapolate from there. We get paid every six months. The USA is not a participant. If I were a Music Publisher, I’d be pissed off about online transcriptions too. I admit that the concept of “The Music Publisher” has been increasingly weird since about 1962.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Music rituals

Wallsend … there are different rituals. The conductor to lead violinist handshake was semi-ironic, I think, certainly after the first two or three. If you’d seen the conductor exhorting the audience at the encore, you’d feel spontaneity. Everyone in the chorus was clapping along to the music, and it felt very “now.”

We used to do a version of the play of The Ruling Class twice a year when we did ESL stage shows. The school advertised a full play once a month, and it was one of our choices. My then boss was partnered with a Brazilian opera singer who did the necessary Traviata part for us off stage. The opera ritual is a bunch of flowers and he used to buy and present them at the end when she appeared to take bows, because without that, the fat lady doesn’t sing (not that this one was at all fat).

I found the same ritual mildly annoying in Mexico. At the end of a major conference speech, I was always presented with a magnificent bouquet of flowers. Often, I was on my way to the airport right afterwards, so just handed them straight to the local rep. I always thought it was a bit of a waste of money all round. The gesture is important, I guess. I’ve had flowers elsewhere too while on tour.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Mary Martin describing Garth doing lead sheets for Leonard Cohen.


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Posted by:

b.lee

Location: VA, USA at the moment

Subject: Sheet...

Sheet music. Expensive when you can find it, often transposed into piano-friendly keys, either stupidly simple guitar chords or jazz chords that nobody on the original records ever played unless they were studio ringers or George Harrison.

I recall seeing a Steely Dan songbook years ago that had an intro written by Walter Becker revealing the secret "mu major" chord that was essential to the Dan Sound, and how if they walked into a Holiday Inn lounge and your band was playing, say, Reelin' In the Years and you were NOT using the mu major, they would know.

Music books seem to be and attempt to squeeze some extra juice out of any popular artist that might inspire wanna-bes, regardless of how awful or inaccurate the transcriptions. The only outlets for these are music stores and Amazon. Many are slap-dash affairs, gussied up with a few choice photos, given a limited press run and quickly go out of print. The same 'publishers' (cough, cough, dick james) then decry and threaten hobbyists who post their versions of songs on user sites. Maybe they have a point. These are seldom entirely correct and once a bad transcription is posted to one site, every site in the bl***dy universe grabs ahold of that one error-riddled version and adds it to their index. I know of no site where an individual can buy a single song.

I recently bought a dusty copy of "Jerry Garcia Songbook -- His Solo Repertoire" in a local music shop for list minus senior discount. At the time there was one offered for about $30 on Amazon, which I also bought. The next cheapest one was in the $250 neighborhood. This is still the case today. Bear in mind these are songs Jerry did solo or with the Jerry Garcia Band. Most he did not even write. So they may bear little resemblance to how Jerry played them. Is it worth it? I read neither notation or tab although I can figure out the latter given some time. Some of the riffs (or riff, one per song) seem close, but I have to transpose most all of the songs in order to sing them. My second copy remains in the bag. Let the bidding commence...


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, I read your review of the Pink Floyd show. Sounds like you had a good night. I am full of admiration for the technical ability of classical musicians but their elitist attitude as reflected in their strange concert rituals (eg. the constant handshaking and bowing) really puts me off. I like a bit more spontaneity with my music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Then again I was lost in admiration for the double bassist and violinist with "Tangomotion" a couple of weeks ago. The original members were on piano, and squeeze box. The bass player and violinist were reading the music, it's complicated stuff. I read afterwards that this was their first week with the show. you would never have known. That's the plus side of reading- and you'd never have memorized 70-80 minutes instrumental music in a week.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: TNTDODD

In the great movie: 3 Billboards, they used the Joan Baez version. How come??


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: transcript of studio conversation, late '69 or early '70..

Producer: "Hey Joan. How 'bout we try that Dixie Down song from the brown Band album?

Joan Baez: "Hmm, is that the Virgil Crane one? Wouldn't it be a bit pro-South for my audience?"

Producer: "It's Cane, not Crane, but yes, that's the song. And I've got to tell you, it's not your audience we need - we need to get your message out to all of America. The main thing is that it's anti-war, and even Motown is going anti-war.

Joan Baez: "I guess. Do you have sheet music for me?" Producer: "That'd be like $8.95, assuming we can find it. Just borrow this. [Chair squeaks, and then squeaks again.] A copy of the album. You've got great ears - so just give it a couple quick listens and we'll get it down this afternoon. What could go wrong?"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sheet music, as Trini Lopez said when he heard Herman’s Hermits.

As Richard Manuel said, it was rare for writers to have anything to do with the sheet music. Music publishers employed young music school graduates to write them out. Sheet music was still important for copyright, and the music publishing companies still thought in those terms, that the sheet music was the true central product. Richard would have been the exception in wanting to check (or wanting Garth to check) it was right. Paul McCartney still says he couldn’t read music. Maybe if you have a brilliant ear, it just isn’t important. You don’t need to. When I was working with bands in the late 60s, I don’t ever recall them seeking out sheet music for songs they wanted to cover. In early garage band days, we sometimes did (I still have All My Loving) but not later. I also have the Chuck Berry Songbook, which was bought for getting the lyrics right. I don’t think anyone ever looked at the music on the page.

BUT I wouldn’t take lyrics on sheet music as gospel either. The most they’d be given was hand scribbled lyrics, but often just the record.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: Dag/2019 TLW

Thanks Dag. I'm sure I read that interview at one point; my self-mapped intro to Jan's site however many years back now, was to read everything he has in the members, history and library categories. It took awhile before I saw the Guestbook. I'll read all of RAS's interview again, soon; as well as the Clash article... that looks to be a very worthwhile investment of time. Also, looking forward to placing an order at our local bricks-n-mortar record shop for the 50th Brown deal.

Last 5 will have to wait, until next week.

Thoroughly enjoyed the Blackbird TLW 2019 tour. Saw it in a small venue, probably seats 1500 at the most; decent sound, decent sightlines although right on an aisle headed to the john and the doors outside for the tobacco crowd to get their fix. A few highlights I made note of late that night. (Some performances were up on youtube right away.) Opened w/ Cripple Creek; intermission return w/ Genetic Method/Chest Fever; encore of Such a Night, dedicated to the good Dr. and Don't Do It

As my adult daughter said "they did it (TLW) justice".

Jamey Johnson has a surprisingly nice, strong voice; good work on many Levon leads. Pulled out a deep cut early w/ a rendition of "Georgia" ... yes, I realize that's Richard's lead. Plus Lukas Nelson seemed to do a fine quoting of the lead guitar on that song from what I recall of Willie's version from his Stardust lp. Medeski was excellent (I mean, he's not Garth, but no one is). Cyrille Neville a very young 71 and the Radiators, Malone both excellent additions; Bob Margolin and Warren Haynes both playing good slide and I judged at appropriate moments even though, so far as I can recall RR never did, at least w/ the OQ. Bob did both of Muddy's tunes.

A very N'Awlins horn section I thought. A nice drumbreak btw Cyrille, on congas, etc and the drumkit during their Butterfield piece. Only later (after the early youtubes were out) did it appear clear to me that the guy sitting in row 10 or so afterwards, by himself, w/ a Hendrix t-shirt, was Lukas. I'm guessing he was getting a feel for what we all thought.

Anyway, 1st rate. Warren and Don Was have a good grasp on honoring what's come before I think.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Ruth Albert Spencer interview, 1984

Do you read music?

RR: No... no.

RAS: How do you write out...

RR: I write out the chord progressions.

RAS: You mean, like the letters, "C major."

RR: Yeah, I write out the chords.

MS: How do you notate the melody?

RR: I sing the melody while I play the chords.

MS: And then does someone transcribe it for you?

RR: Nobody transcribes it - oh, you mean when they have it in song books and stuff like that?

MS: Yeah, eventually it gets committed to writing.

RR: Yeah, well, what they do for those things - they just take the records and they just take it off the records. I have nothing to do with that whatsoever - except they send it to see if they were done correctly, and I would give it to Garth and say "Is this done correctly?"


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Posted by:

Wallsend

From what I have read, only Garth read music and RR still doesn't now. I always found this odd because learning to read music just isn't that difficult. I seem to recall Robbie saying the songs were written out by some random person for copyright reasons after they were recorded.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: quick to Dag, more on the 2019 tour later

I'll go into last 5 later tonight or tomorrow; plus I went to the TLW 2019 last Thursday w/ my daughter, so I'll give a recount.

But HUGE props, Dag. I had spent a good deal of time, at local music stores and such looking for RR sheet music. No such luck. I'm not a musician, don't even read it but know a Japanese piano teacher that will be happy to see your sheet music from your brown album, MFBP post. Man o man, good on ya. Here's a question somebody probably can answer: w/ all that sheet music on Dag's post, who transcribed all those song's off of guitar charts? I thought only Garth read music. Or by the times of MFBP/ John Wesley Harding etc, had he taught Dylan and the other 4 to read music? Does RR do so today? I would imagine it an aid for his soundtrack work.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Symphonic Pink Floyd

Link to my review. The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, the huge Bournemouth Symphony Chorus plus “The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra Pink Floyd Rock Band.” There were nearly 200 musicians and singers on stage for a totally sold out concert. As it should be. Pink Floyd never sounded this good!


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Bra Campbell

We'll see if this works. Picture of Brad with The Last Words. Brad is on far right.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill M

Bill thank you very much for your photographic memory of Brad Campbell. Some things in there I did not know.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Band 50th

Many years ago I began a friendship with my friend Peter Donato. It was at the time that The Band came on the scene. I don't think he'd mind if I gave his quote to me yesterday to share with you.

" I probably know that album better than just about any other and I heard stuff today i never heard before. I like this remix better than I do the Big Pink one. The main things - Rick and Levon’s bottom sounds better, especially that deep Danko bass, vocals also popped out and the detail in Robbies rhythm playing is brighter."

We're stilll friends and i second Peter's thoughts now that I have listened to the 2 CD set. He also encouraged me to buy the new Abbey Road.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Catching Up

Thanks for the reviews John D and Peter.

I'll get the cheaper 50th version of The Band.(I don't have a record player, got rid of the Blu Ray player and am not bothered about photographs.)

Should I buy the Music From Big Pink 50th at the same time? Are the remixes worth it? Did we discuss this?

In from boys' football. Freezing this morning, but it's a beautiful winter's day. Not our normal rain. I'm playing the Live at the Academy of Music remix. I have the Bob Clearmountain remixes, and these CDs are great pieces of music.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Without a doubt true, but in which sense? My guess is that it was more "Beam me up Scotty" than anything else.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dance to The Music

I'm touched at the interest in my dancing. I was alone, but at one point Mrs V walked in and said "Jesus Christ!" and walked straight out again. I suppose she was just in an ucharacteristicaly religious mood and invoking the deity.


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Posted by:

Bill M

John D: Thanks for sharing the sad news about Brad Campbell's passing. You're right that his first group was the Last Words - the first rock group to play in Yorkville, and two top 10 singles. Brad was then drafted into the Albert Grossman-managed Paupers, replacing Denny Gerrard on bass. In that capacity he played on their second LP, singing lead on one song. Grossman liked him, so when the Paupers splintered Grossman teamed him up with the Pozo Seco Singers (a tour and an album) and then made him the inaugural bassist of Janis Joplin's Kozmic Blues Band. Fellow Canuck John Till joined later, after the album, and the two were kept on when the Kozmics were evolved into the Full Tilt Boogie Band (with future Band member Richard Bell, organist Ken Pearson, who'd come to Grossman's attention through his work with Robbie and Levon on the Jesse Winchester album, and drummer Clark Pierson). Brad stayed in Woodstock for awhile after Janis's death, appearing on albums by Happy and Artie Traum and Pacheco and Alexander. At some point he decided to hang up his skates, returning to Toronto and a series of non-music jobs. As far as I know, the only playing he did, with one exception, was with the reformed Last Words; the four of them would get together with a box of beer in the drummer's basement every Saturday beginning in the mid-'70s. I saw them there a couple times, and then in '77 when they opened for the reformed Ugly Ducklings (true local heroes from the Yorkville scene of '66 and '67). They did some charity and neighbourhood shows, I know, but I imagine they slowly ran out of steam.

John D and I saw Brad onstage with Richard Bell and John Till when they backed Bonnie Bramlett (as Janis) at a big party celebrating the release of the "Festival Express" movie. Garth and Maud also performed at that event, as did Sylvia Tyson and Bernie Leadon.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Subject: The Band Remixed 2019

One feature I noticed immediately (correct me on this if I'm erring) is how some of the remixes eliminate the fade-outs that were once on the ends of songs such as "Dixie" and "WYA," which I found to be a dramatic improvement, allowing us to hear how the musicians brought those songs to a close.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Subject: WYA and The Band Remixed

Bill M and Peter V: Thank you for your follow ups.

Yes, the new mixes of these classics are sensational. I don't have the box set but the iTunes version knocks me out. Peter has the right response, I'm sure, to the 5.1 disc. I wish I could get that without buying the box. I don't have a record player any more but if I did, I'd sure get a thrill out of playing the single and the LPs.

The sound on the album of The Band that I bought in the late 1970s after being enchanted by The Last Waltz (I'm 56, so my chance to witness them live was in 1983, which will always be my favorite concert) was not good, even though I could tell that the material itself is sublime. I don't think Capitol gave a damn.

Also, some of the Woodstock performances made it onto the notorious official "Watkins Glen" set from the mid-90s, didn't they? I'll have to go back and check Pat Brennan's excellent, fact-checking essay on that. Still have that CD. I was excited about it at the time but could tell that something (quite a few things) were "off."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Peter’s courage

He’s braver than me - I save my dancing, singing, drumming and yoga for when I’m driving alone!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, it is great that you are still so enthusiastic but I am having difficulty dislodging this image from my mind.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Dancer

PV - Did anybody see you movin’ & groovin’ like that? Will a private video be made public at some point? I’d pay!


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Posted by:

Peter V

My box set arrived an hour or so ago. Listened to the 5.1 mix LOUD. It is awesome and the instrument positioning reveals things. It differs from song to song, but there are Robbie bits of guitar on the back speakers which are revelatory.

Oh, and the clarity of vocals on the centre speaker in 5.1 eliminates all doubt. It IS "There goes Robert E. Lee." No "the" no hesitation, no breath.

Way more interesting mix than Big pink.To get the full 5.1, I stood centre room and am exhausted from constant moving to the music!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: When You awake

From the article here, with quotes from GB users then:

PETE RIVARD: When I moved out here to the Upper Midwest, I discovered a whole genre of joke telling concerning a Scandinavian couple called Ole and Lena. Typically, the jokes center around Ole, or his wife's, cluelessness, and sometimes are inverted to make Ole the smart one among some of his oafish friends. Now, Ole is pronounced Oh lee, in these stories. I wonder if Robbie had picked up some of these tales from Dylan, a native Minnesotan, or someone else from this area, never bothered to check on the spelling, and used him as a character dispensing folksy advice.

Stu Huska comes up with another:

STU HUSKA: Several years ago I heard Rick Danko perform "When You Awake" in a small intimate venue. Rick asked for requests and as he started to sing he said " My mother's name, God rest her soul, was Leyola and her friends used to call her 'Ole'" He then went directly into this wonderful rendition of "When You Awake" Perhaps Rick's bandmates were also thinking of Leyola Danko when they penned this whimsical tale.

Stu's note is supported by the Classic Albums solo version where Danko sings:

Ollie showed me, the fork in the road

SHE said take to your left …


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Band 50th

One important thing I did not mention on my quick overview of the 2 CD The Band 50th Anniversary set. The re-mixes really do sound great. Wonderful job bringing it into the 21st century. So many schools of thought. I have friends who have been Band fans since the beginning and they want to remember the original mixes only. I for one like what they have done here.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Brad Campbell

Bill Munson would know a lot about Bassist Brad Campbell. He died this week. An original member of Toronto's "The Last Words"; but will live on in musical history as the bassist for Janis Joplin't Full Tilt Boogie Band. Reason for his passing is unknown to me at this time. R.I.P.


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Posted by:

Rod

Pity they passed on that deal. Were The Well and Out of the Blue intended for those releases? Great tracks but a little out of place on TLW.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Ray M: For what it's worth, ages ago in this GB someone from one of the Swede-heavy north-central US states - Minnesota or Wisconsin or northern Michigan I think - said that he'd often heard people starting yarns with "Ole told me ..." Maybe shaggy dog stories or urban legends or jokes or parables.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Band 50th Anniversary

I bought the 2 CD set. It arrived tonight. On Side 2 the Woodstock 11 tracks are great to hear and all in one place. Taken from the original Rough Mixes. Tracks 12-18 can be found on the Band re-issue in the year 2000. The one they call extended.

Side 1's first 11 tracks are the original tracks from the original album. Cuts 13-18 are Alternates, an Earlier version, 2 Instrumental Mixes and one stripped down mix. This is definitely a buy for completists.

Kind of wished I had opted for the box set where Clearmountain has also created a new 5.1 surround mix. I would love to hear that mix. Nice to see a thanks to Levon's wife Sandy. Once again Anthony DeCurtis has excellent liner notes.

Elliott Landy also gives us some photographs that I have never seen. Hope he thinks about putting some of them up for sale. The price was $26.00 Canadian. The box set sells for $172.00


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Posted by:

Peter V

To a Brit, Ollie for Oliver is not ah-Lee, but o-Lee, with o as in not or hot.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

The pronunciation of "Ole" is "oh-lee." For "Ollie," which is short for "Oliver," pronunciation would be "ah-lee."


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Interesting quote from Rick Danko

Found this on Facebook this afternoon.

"I thought this was an interesting quote from Rick: "Robbie wasn't the only one who wanted to do other things,” Rick Danko upheld in 1995. “Before The Last Waltz, I signed a production deal with Clive Davis to do my solo shows. Sometimes it breaks my heart when I remember that, in '76, Warner offered us a $6 million dollar deal to do an album a year, and we passed. But there's more to life than being able to live off your royalties. Ego is a funny thing, and after the first two or three albums, The Band pretty much became a Robbie thing, so there was conflict there.”


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Location: Lawrence Kansas/Flyover Country/The Heartland

Subject: When You Awake

Friends, the first line is addressed to a character named "Ole." This is a first name with Nordic roots.


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Posted by:

Rod

I have sheet music books for The Basement Tapes as well as Northern Lights. Also a Robbie Robertson song book. Years ago the local library had Stage Fright. I photo copied every page but have long since lost them. The library is now closed as it is an earthquake risk. Hope they got that book out.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: For more than 30 years I thought Dylan was singing 'His thoughts are dirty but his hands are clean". But then I heard someone else (former Hawk Eugene Smith) sing the song, I realised the truth - Dylan was singing about his dirty clothes. I was 13 or 14 when I heard it the first 100 times when it came out, so I guess I was projecting.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Electric Jaggerland

A fifty amp fuse would be extremely heavy duty. I used to think it was 'fifteen amp fuse' because in 1969, some old halls still had 15 amp round pin plugs, because the switch to square pin 13 amp fused plugs was incomplete. Fifty? I guess that would be stuff like limelights. Cooker circuits used to have 30 amp fuses which still go into kitchens here, though now most cookers will run on 13 amp fuses.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Lyrics you THOUGHT you heard.......

I have mentioned this here before……I had always thought that Mick Jagger had been so clever in using “a fifth of antabuse” in the song “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”………………..Decades later after playing the song and listening to it forever, I actually looked up the lyrics and realized it was actually “fifty-amp fuse”….I was disappointed!.. With Keef now on the wagon, maybe time for a change...

“And I went down to the demonstration/ To get my fair share of abuse/ Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration/ If we don't we're gonna blow a fifty-amp fuse”


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: TNTDODD

Some thoughts from Robbie as told to David Kamp this year:

Robertson was noodling around on his piano one day in Woodstock when he happened upon a set of chord changes that struck him as melancholy. Something about them brought to mind the words “the night they drove old Dixie down” and summoned memories of his time in Arkansas nearly a decade earlier: of Diamond Helm’s proclamation, and of a house he had taken notice of while driving on a country road late at night, set back in a field with a single light on.

“I would think, ‘That’s the story. Who’s in that house? What are they doing?,’” Robertson said. “And that curiosity and fascination is what led me to Virgil Caine and his family.”

“The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” begins with the lines “Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train.” But Virgil’s story didn’t come as intuitively as those doleful chords on the piano. Robertson played the progression for his four bandmates—Helm, bassist Danko, pianist Manuel, and organist Garth Hudson—and informed them of his one lyrical inspiration, the words that would become the song’s title. “Everyone was like, ‘O.K., that’s nice,’” he said. “But I needed to teach myself. Because I didn’t know the story that well. They didn’t teach that in Canada, the Civil War.”

Robertson was also keen for the song to be a showcase for Helm, “something he could sing as true as anything he’d ever sung in his life.” He asked Helm to drive him to the Woodstock Public Library. There, Robertson pored over some history books and familiarized himself with such figures as George Stoneman, a Union general whose Cavalry Corps destroyed train tracks that were used as supply lines by the Confederates. Robertson also hit up Helm for any suggestions that would enhance the song’s Southern bona fides. “He said, ‘Well, just don’t mention Abraham Lincoln,’” Robertson said. “I hadn’t thought that I would, but evidently, that was Rule No. 1.”

……He was working on the Richmond and Danville Railroad—“the Danville train”—when Stoneman’s soldiers ripped it up. His brother was killed by a Union soldier: “My brother above me,” as Virgil says. Does that mean his brother up in heaven, or his older brother?

“It was both. Two birds,” Robertson said. “I didn’t have much room. I had to get a whole movie in.” As for the lines “In the winter of ’65 / We were hungry, just barely alive,” Robertson explained that it is an allusion to 1965 as much as to 1865. “In early ’65, we were a bit on hard times as a band,” he said. “That was before we were with Dylan, and we were really struggling. So it just rolled off the tongue.”

Despite Diamond Helm’s assertion that the South would rise again, “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” offers no such rah-rah promise. The last words Levon/Virgil sings before the final chorus are “I swear by the mud below my feet / You can’t raise a Caine back up when he’s in defeat.”

What Robertson was ultimately trying to capture, he told me, was the haunted feeling of photographic portraits of poor Americans from the period, before the natural human response to a camera’s presence was to preen or smile. “I was thinking, ‘Why, when photography was so hard, and the photographer was looking through the camera with the picture upside down, and he only got one shot, did the pictures have so much soul?’ That added up to something in me in music, and in songwriting.”

BTW, Thank you, Roger.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Band Music

I remember years ago being in a sheet music store here in Toronto. I came across a Music Book of The Basement Tapes by The Band. I should have bought it at the time. I've never seen it since.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: When You Awake

I always heard "Oh, they told me." It is actually a more transparent and better line as no one except Rick knew who Ollie was.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Band music and lyrics

Thanks for that. On When You Awake I guess I misheard: Ollie told me, for Oh they told me. Likely more throughout that catalog too, for all those years ago..


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Dag, thanks for the pdf of the sheet music. I have been looking for a reasonably priced copy for a while. I was about to swoop on one in a bookshop in Sydney for $80 but somebody bought it before me.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Sheet music

Folio with "The Band" and "Music From Big Pink"


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Posted by:

Pat B

Also, the Band songbook released in 1969 says "mud".


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Posted by:

Pat B

President Andrew Johnson declared Confederate resistance ended on May 10, 1865 when the last Confederate departments surrendered the day before. I don't know that he knew Jefferson Davis had been captured in Georgia that same day (the 10th), but Davis's capture probably had little if anything to do with the official declaration.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A Boy Named Sue

… and beer, Bill. Levon didn't add beer.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Harkening back to a recent thread, maybe it would be less divisive and wordy if we all agree to use 'they' instead of 'mud or blood'. But if we choose to remain old-school, we could do what Shel Silverstein did in "Boy Named Sue": he simply both 'mud' AND 'blood'.


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Posted by:

Clint

Location: PA

Subject: Mud or Blood

Levon was asked whether he sang mud or blood and he said mud.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: May the 10th

Chernow identifies May the 10th as the date that Jefferson Davis was captured in the pine forest in Irwinville, Georgia.

I agree with Peter et al that Robbie, in his research, was not researching the Robert E Lee steamboat.

I also agree with Wallsend that Robbie took elements and key figures and dates of the Civil War to tell a heartfelt story about the pain of war.

A bit of a naive question, but isn't there official sheet music that provides the copyrighted lyrics (blood vs mud) for the song? Don't really know how that works.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: There's no doubt in my mind that the face of Robert E Lee would have been appeared on toast across the US south had electric toasters been universal in the winter of '65.

Note that 'thee' both rhymes with Lee and has biblical connotations. 'Thu', not so much.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The other Max Miller joke

And in reference to the discussion of tosser and plonker yesterday, this is the rival claim for the joke that got Max Miller banned from BBC radio.

“I was walking along this very narrow ledge on the side of a mountain. Very narrow, just room for one person, precipice on one side. So a naked woman appeared walking round the corner. I didn’t know whether to block her passage or toss myself off.”

Actually, in spite of 60 years, I reckon that one would still get him banned. The other, he'd get away with now.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The mud and the blood revisited

As we’ve discussed, mistaken sightings of Robert E. Lee were a common post-war phenomenon. Also they would only have seen etchings or blurred pictures so mistaking someone was easy. I think the majesty of the song is respect for Lee, not interest in a steamship. There is also the point that while Robert E. Lee didn’t tour Tennessee, after the war, it’s not necessarily clear that Robbie, (and Levon driving him to the library), would have known that. The May 10th date suggests that the Civil War history they found in the library was sped-read. It also hinges on the hearing debate … swallow, or breath intake, or “the.” We’ve done that one many times. As I’ve noted before, Levon tends to an elongated Southern “thee” rather than “thu” and there’s no elongated “thee” in any interpretation. But as with mud or blood, we are into the realms of belief.

Which reminds me of a favourite story. Max Miller was a British comedian banned from BBC Radio in the 1950s. There are several tales of which joke got him banned, but one is that he was bet that he couldn’t say “fuck” on air. He agreed he couldn’t, but said he would spell it out to win the bet. So this is what he said.

“I went to the optician the other day. He said read the first letter on the bottom line of the eye test chart. So I said it’s K. The optician said, ‘Wrong, where I see F, you see K.”

So where I hear breath, you hear ‘the.’ We won’t resolve it.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mishearing

I'm reading Elton John's "Me"- surprisingly funny, and well-written, though that might be ghost writer Alex Petridis. He talks about "Song for Guy." He wrote it as an instrumental, and as he finished heard that Guy, a young employee of his record label had died in a motorbike crash, so named it for him, Song for Guy.

Years later, Gianni Versace was telling him it was such a brave title and his favourite music ever. After some conversation, Elton realized that Versace thought the title was "Song for A Gay."


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Posted by:

Dag B.

*By* May 10th, Richmond had fell...

Mondegreen: The first time ever I heard the song, in 1987, I thought the chorus went "the night is over, please sit down"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tromp on Siege of Richmond

Dont’t know about what the planes were, Norm, but sure as a Las Vegas hotelier is ‘connected’, he’s right that there were no Kurdish forces helping the union at the Siege of Richmond.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Ya But Pat!

Pat are you sure it wasn't the planes that destroyed the bridges?? According to your president, they had planes back then :-) :-)


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Posted by:

Pat B

Joe Frey, always worth revisiting. May 10th is the date the US government officially declared the war over. No doubt RR saw this date in a book and mistook it for the day Richmond fell. As to that, large portions of the Petersburg siege lines south of Richmond were overrun by Union forces the morning of April 2, 1865, which made holding Richmond untenable. Lee ordered his army to immediately abandon both cities and march west, and Jefferson Davis also left with what remained of his government on April 2. btw he escaped on a train on the last remaining rail line, the Richmond & Danville.

Since the POV of Virgil is postwar, the likeliest scenario is that the singer's wife mistook someone for Lee, an incident whose nature was not untypical. Many folks thought they saw Lincoln after he was killed. I don't believe seeing a steamboat would have prompted Virgil's subsequent philosophical ruminations. In fact, Lee only took one long trip after the war, and that did not include a stop anywhere in Tennessee.

George Stoneman basically reported directly to Grant, but George Thomas and William Sherman were part of the chain of command. Grant had been on him to begin the raid much earlier, but Stoneman delayed, due in some part to his recurring case of the piles. His cavalry finally left Knoxville, Tennessee on March 22 and inflicted much damage as they covered some 2000 miles over the next two months. Around the same time Lee was surrendering to Grant (April 9) elements of Stoneman's force destroyed RR bridges near Danville. Most of the raid occurred after Lee surrendered and included chasing down a number of Confederate generals.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Yes, the actual performances of the guys on The Weight were stunning. It is the most perfect piece of music. No matter how many times I listen to it, it still sounds as fresh as the first time I heard it. BTW, a few posts back somebody mentioned the TV show The Detectorists. I thought the music in that show was fantastic. The way the theme song was used and actually integrated into the story was so original. I think I would have to put that down as my favourite TV show ever. Dunc mentioned a show that was being broadcast in Scotland which contained a reference to Rick but when I tried to watch it, it said it could not be viewed outside the UK. Very irritating. I was watching some other comedy show and there was reference to Dylan and the Judas shout. I have being vegging out recently after completing another year of teaching.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Wallsend: I think Levon's true contribution to the song was the drumming on the original recording, the most emotional and arresting that I can think of. And I don't mean just the Band or Levon's other projects.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I think Robbie just threw together a bunch of images from the Civil War to create a certain kind of emotion. That is why it is a poem and not a history text. Dylan was a master of this. Some of Levon's fans think he should get a writing credit for The Weight because Anna Lee was his friend but with this kind of writing a word, or in this case a name, is nothing without the rest of the piece.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: For History Geeks only

First of all, what I am writing is NOT, in any manner, an attempt to denigrate the artistic achievement of Robbie Robertson’s The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. I always saw it, and still do, as an evocative piece of music that brilliantly described the pain and suffering that southerners were experiencing in 1865. The Last Waltz version of that song is terrific.

I am presently reading Ron Chernow’s biography of Ulysses S. Grant which I am thoroughly enjoying. I just finished the Civil War section (about 60% of the book). The first thing that struck me was that Chernow identifies April 3, 1865 as the date where the Union forces entered Richmond. Of course, May the 10th was ingrained in my brain for 50 years.

“There goes (the) Robert E Lee.” Virgil sings this line when he is back in Tennessee. Lee was the commander of the Northern Virginia army of the Confederacy which was the main confederacy army in the eastern theater of the Civil War. I don’t know this for a fact, but I would assume that it was very unlikely that Lee would have been in Tennessee during the period 1861-65. Virgil may have seen Lee in Tennessee after the war. The western theater for the confederacy was commanded (for most of the time) by General Joseph Johnston.

So, I looked up in Wikipedia The Robert E Lee Steamboat and it is listed as being built in 1866 (right after the end of the civil war). Its route is listed as the Mississippi River which goes right through the heart of Tennessee. So, when Virgil sings “Back with my wife in Tennessee,” he could be referring to the steamboat. Again, I am not interested in revisionist history (too much of that around now), I just got interested in trying to see if the actual facts can shed some light on the man vs. the steamboat question.

The last piece that I thought was interesting was the issue about “Stoneman’s Calvary came and tore up the tracks again.” (I am assuming that he is referring to the tracks for the Danville train. From what I can gleam from the Chernow text, General Sherman (union) was in charge in the western theater of war and was instructed by Grant to destroy anything and everything of military value as he moved from the western theater into the eastern theater of war. Stoneman, I assume was under Sherman and was given the assignment of destroying the confederacy supply lines in Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia. Wikipedia mentions a number of rail lines that he tore up but not the Danville line.

Around the same time, in Grant’s assault on Petersburg and Richmond, General Sheridan led a highly successful union Calvary force that also disrupted the supply lines around Richmond and could have been the General responsible for the Danville train tracks, or it could have been both of them from different directions.

This what happens to a guy interested in both music and history and is just retired…..


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Maybe Rod meant Ronnie?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: On the subject......

While dating Rod Stewart, the lovely Britt Ekland once insisted that Rod send her a love-letter while she was away making a movie.....Rod relented sending her a telegram which read:

"Tired of pulling me plonker. Please come home."


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

We don’t really use plonker. I don’t really know the Southwest, but we did have a lovely family in the Bristol/Bath area many years ago.

Can’t help you with these fashions, Bill, but I will check out the band. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Plonker is not guaranteed to be a wanker, though it probably is. If you play around on a piano somewhat aimlessly you're plonking the keys. I've heard it for messing around on a guitar too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Linking the western-swing and wanker threads is Dan Hicks's "Soda-Jerkin' Mama": "Later we got married, had a bunch of little jerks". No need to thank me, really.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V and Dunc: Thanks for bring 'plonker' into the conversation (or convo, as some would have it). Otherwise, I would have read it, and possibly even used it, to refer to a drinker of cheap wine. So Ronnie Lane from the Faces got his nickname from going solo?


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Posted by:

Peter V

I don't see any lessening of wanker in the South West compared to London. Tosser is actually the same, but like plonker generally thought less impolite. Jerk has the same meaning too.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhag

Subject: ̈́" so called Wanker"

NOW I AM REALLY MAD. - For a couple of decades ago (when fooling around as a co-moderator in Norbert's Band Guestbook) my Windows-computer got a virus originating from Guestbook. My browsing history with bikini-babes was stolen and posted to the principal at my school and to my relatives like my step-mother.

I am after you. See you soon in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: You had/have a full Roy Rogers set - luxury!! I had to make do with a pair of leatherette chaps that my mother had snipped out of old automotive upholstery. I too like western swing, but must admit that I got to it via Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks. "How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away?"

Speaking of full costumes, what did you British and Americans call what we in the '70s called 'the full Winnipeg' - a blue or green leisure suit with white tie, white belt and white shoes?


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Gb regulars from Nevada/California

Call me for a drunken nostalgic ... but I really miss good ol' gb regulars like 'Dave The Phone Guy' from Mono Lake in High Sierras in Nevada/California. I miss that guy from India, I miss Dave Z (who is fooling around here from time to time), I miss 'Bayou Sam', I miss this Algerian guy (remember: I always sit with the Algerians when waiting for the plane in Marseille), most of all I miss RAGTIME and NORBERT.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Wanker

I always think of ‘wanker’ as a London term. I came across common usage of the term amongst my bins’ mates about 50 years ago in London. Often preceded with with the f word and accompanied with appropriate hand gestures.

A highlight of the week would be when one bin lorry passed another en passant, and six growing men in each cab saluted each other with the appropriate hand gestures and accompanying shouts. Truly one of the great London sights.

I remember reading an article in the Observer on Only Fools and Horses where it said everybody knows Rodney and Del Boy are not saying plonker. I had never thought about it.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Peter V wrote: "...a guy in a bar came out and said..."

Next time - Peter - do like we did and ride down the loneliest highway in Nevada and in the whole USA, highway 50. No one will say a thing to you.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

My granddaughters, Bill, have been taught to use they as singular not s/he. A few years ago, I looked it up in the Oxford dictionary and they is there describing single.

Well I've been influenced from your side of the pond, JQ. Every so often I have a Western Swing day. I had a lovely afternoon playing Western Swing yesterday, Bill M.

So last five played among many.

Asleep At The Wheel 'Route 66' - I love Ray Benson singing.

George Morgan, Larry Collins, Lorrie Collins and a young Glen Campbell on guitar 'My Window Faces the South'. Brilliant guitar playing.

Asleep at the Wheel, Quebe Sisters 'Navajo Trail'. I wear my boyhood Roy Rogers set when playing this and sit across the back of the sofa. My wife says I'm going too far.

Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airman 'Smoke Smoke Smoke (That Cigarette). I always seem to have had that album.

Hot Club of Cowtown with Frank Vignola 'Chinatown' - outstanding musicianship.

Have a nice day, all you folks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Interested in the spread of "wanker." In 2012 in Parumph, Nevada, there were signs "VOTE FOR JUDGE KIM WANKER" and we stopped to take photos, and a guy in a bar came out and said, 'Weird. People keep stopping and taking picture of the sign." I told him they'd all be British, and explained it.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Britspeak

It’s happening frequently up here too: “Just about” vs “barely”. “Shift” vs “move”, etc. And, likely since the popularity of The Detectorists and other series: “Mate”. I do it habitually now, and soon I know I’ll be taken to task when I say it to a Brit/Aussie. And that, along with being called a wanker (another word worming in), will break me of it. I thought the 2018 pop word was nonplussed. Weaponize is out there now too in the political realm.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Levon Helm quickly became Robertson’s best buddy in the band, the big brother he never had. A few years older, Helm was, in some ways, Robertson’s opposite—short, Southern, hotheaded, with a devilish grin and white-gold hair. When Robertson first saw him play, he could have sworn he glowed in the dark. Helm took care of Robertson, introduced him to his family, tutored him in the ways of Southern life and culture. They double-dated, bought a Cadillac together, the first car Robertson ever owned. They reminded Hawkins of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. “It was me and Robbie against the world,” Helm once said."

Robbie Robertson’s Last Waltz

As front man for the Band, he spent his life jamming with Dylan, schmoozing with Dalí, partying with Scorsese.

The amazing adventures of Toronto’s greatest songwriter

Toronto Life | BY JASON MCBRIDE | PHOTOGRAPHY BY CHRISTOPHER WAHL | OCTOBER 23, 2019


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ronnie Hawkins

University of Arkansas

Videos
Audio
Transcript


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Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: The across-the-pondism that gets my goat these days is "lovely". If you hear it twice in twenty minutes you know an English cooking show is playing in your home. Mostly it is being used to describe homely ingredients like cauliflower or brussels sprouts.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The spread of ‘robust’ is a challenge which we should confront robustly.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Well, team is a collective noun, so I would say "is" personally. I find the whole she/he/they thing kind of confusing and wonder if it's going to last or just be a flash in the pan kind of thing ... on a slightly different topic, "robust" as a descriptor for just about anything crossed the pond long ago and reminds me of you every time I hear it, Peter, which is all too often these days.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: You got me at Danko. I'm impressed that the scriptwriters would even think of the guy. Would you say "The show's writing team IS going for a celebratory pint" or "The team ARE going for a pint"?

Peter V: I like the 1471 message - likely a 21st-century innovation. The other stuff is the chronic problem of dealing with collective nouns. Whether the media suck or sucks is not the same thing as s/he=they.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Guilt

BBC Scotland is showing a real good black comedy just now called ‘Guilt’. Getting good reviews up here.

I’ve seen three of the four episodes and am enjoying it. One of the characters owns a record shop and in the second episode there’s a short, knowledgeable discussion relating to Rick Danko. Really good and I was surprised.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, from an early 1980s editing guideline:

Use ‘they’ as a singular pronoun. e.g. ‘Ask everybody to open their books.’ Although this is seen as incorrect by some purists, it is common in spoken English and has a long history of use in written English (cf: William Caxton ‘Each of them should make themself ready’; Shakespeare ‘God send everyone their heart’s desire’).

You hear it on the phone in Britain if you press 1471: The caller has withheld their number.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Of interest I forgot

Any one who watches the video I just mentioned. Pay attention to the man playing the guitar solo. Bernie Williams is a Puerto Rican. He played center field for the Yankees for 16 years, 1991 to 2006. Although I have never been a Yankee's fan you have to be impressed with this man.

Retired with 287 home runs, 1257 RBI's Holds the all time record with 80 post season RBI'S and second all time with 22 post season home runs. Played 4 world series finals with the Yankees. He signed a deal with Paul McCartney's recording company some time after he retired baseball. All in all a pretty good career.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Today's Pick

Sly Stone's "Every Day People" by Playing For Change.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK ( currently in fire-ravaged New a South Wales)

Subject: What’s so funny about peace, love and understanding?

Wonderful exchange Pat B and Kevin J. Witty and good humoured. No-one stormed out of the GB in high, low or any sort of dudgeon.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thanks - I had no idea of that Chaucer and/or Shakespeare used 'they' for 'he/she'. Nor, methinks it fair to say, do most other. Daftness rules!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff article

Added a review from Brooklyn Reporter of Jeff's project. Love the music (but seriously, if you've eaten pizza in Naples …)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff's music

You can hear some of Jeff Alexander's new music on the kickstarter link. Two EPs worth of material. Jeff is much missed here. Give the music a listen … includes Maria Muldaur.


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Posted by:

안전놀이터

Location: dadda365.xyz

Subject: dadda365.xyz

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Posted by:

Peter V

But seriously – I was in a large secondhand store last week, and they had Male / Female / Groups / Soul / Folk / Easy as sections. It saves a lot of time. (Bangles is in groups, Supremes in soul).

"they" as a neutral pronoun was used by both Chaucer and Shakespeare, which is why "s/he" and "he or she" were always daft.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B is onto something. I think it's called the 21st century. We shouldn't just assume stuff on the basis of how someone chooses to look just because we always did in the past. Right now we're in the middle of what future historians will know as the Great Pronoun War of 2020, during which "They" came to replace "He or she", "He/she", "S/he", etc., in standard usage.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

It's ok, Pat.......and just as a rule of thumb for anyone who cares - maybe best to give a wide berth to anything I write between the hours of 11:00pm and 4:00am on a Saturday night !


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Posted by:

Pat B

I wish "female" could be dropped when referring to great rock singers.

I apologize in advance, Kevin J. I simply couldn't help myself.


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Posted by:

Rod

Thanks Dag. Some interesting stuff in there


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Lucinda Williams

Let's not forget the Lucinda / Tom Wilson duet on BaRK's "Kings and Queens" album - with Ken Pearson from Janis Joplin's Full Tilt Boogie Band on organ. Song written by Colin James and Tom Wilson.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Recents

* Raconteurs - Consolers of the Lonely

* Geraint Watkins - Rush of Blood

* Eva Cassidy - Best Of

* Violent Femmes - Permanent Record

* Cousin Emmy & The New Lost City Ramblers, 1968


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: David Crosby

I finally watched the Cameron Crowe doc on David Crosby last night. It was excellent. I wasn't sure if I would like it or not; but it was so well done, I watched it again this morning. I was interested because I just read the Graham Nash autobiography where he talked about the extreme anger everyone seems to have toward Crosby. I mean REAL anger. Crosby himself is so filled with self loathing that you want to give him another chance; but I wasn't there. Very, very well done.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Dust

Live performance with Charles Lloyd.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lucinda

Check out the album with Charles Lloyd & The Marvels "Vanished Gardens." Bill Frisell also plays on it.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: Lucinda Williams

Solomon - With interest, where did you find the song “Devastation” with Matthew Ryan & Lucinda Williams? I don’t have that one.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Lucinda Williams

She's got so many great songs on tribute albums and duets on other people's albums.The last few on YouTube on this lovely Sunny Sunday

Matthew Ryan and Lucinda Williams- Devastation

Lucinda Williams - Cold, Cold Heart

Willie Nelson and Lucinda Williams - Overtime

Lucinda Williams - Here in California

Lucinda Williams - Lately

Boz Skaggs and Lucinda Williams - Whispering Pines

Lucinda Williams - This Old Guitar

David Crosby and Lucinda Williams - Return of the Grevious Angel

The first album I heard was Car Wheels back in 1998.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Corrections.......

......you're......and Marjolène Morin may well be the best female singer of rock n roll ever... Never mind the language - though I know that will be a barrier for the non-Canadian contingent here....Some other great ones, of course....led by Tina Turner and Janis Joplin but not that many really.....

Thinking of Joan.... Hope all is well.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Songs worth listening to.......

Recent songs:

Misfits - The Kinks

I'm Alive - Garland Jeffries (no better song to play loud to celebrate feeling good about something)

Silver, Blue & Gold - Bad Company ( only good song on that Bad Company album but listening to the greatest singer in rock n roll history is always a pleasure )

Hot Stuff & Hand of Fate - The Rolling Stones

Don't Go Away Mad ( Just Go Away ) - Motley Crüe ( No better song to listen to as your leaving a town or a situation )

Chats Sauvages - Marjo ( Marjolene Morin - the best French singer of rock n roll - period end of story )


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: An old fishing village

Subject: Celtic music

"What do you do with drunken sailors?" (Hello Dunc!)


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: TV

My latest post - "happens to me all the time when I watch television drunk" - relates to this classic JOHN PRINE song lyrics:

"Throw away the TV, / Throw away the paper. / Try to find Jesus, / For own your own."

(Is there anything worse than a joke which needs to be explained...)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: 1979-82 The Band News.....Rick Danko

Dave H.........Yes, a fascinating read and I've just gotten started........What really stands out for me - so far - as someone with a keen association with the film industry is the outrage expressed by Robbie at not getting the nomination from the Acadamy of Motion Pictures for TLW. Notice how much more direct and rock n roll he was in those days in expressing his opinions........I recall years later ( around the time of TLW 25th anniversary ) that there was talk of how the Oscar snub was a travesty but I did not know until reading Dag's clippings that it was very much a topic at the time !

.......Also love that Rick Danko headband in that picture with Dennis Hopper! Anyone, who knows about Dennis Hopper's condition in those days can only imagine what Rick might have made of that interaction..........see Eleanor Coppola truly fabulous documentary "Hearts of Darkness - A Filmakers Apocalypse" to better understand what I am referring to.


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Posted by:

Dave H

Thanks so much, Dag. It was really a kick to see clippings from my hometown newspaper (Rochester, NY). What an odd time for our five Band members 1979-1982 was. And what a break for Levon that he got the role in Coal Miner's Daughter. But a few of those reviews of Rick's shows are pretty negative; sounds like there was a lot more partying than rehearsing going on.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Los Angeles Times

The Band’s Robbie Robertson: My life in 12 songs.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: NPR

Rick Danko And Garth Hudson On Mountain Stage.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Norm, Wed Nov 6 15:41:06 CET 2019

Happens to me all the time when I watch television drunk.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sweetheart like you

Thanks for this video Dag. That is a new one for me. Love that line.......Steel a little and they put you in jail......steel a lot and they make you king. Seems that way every day now doesn't it.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Location: Lawrence Kansas/Flyover Country/The Heartland

Subject: Dag/Booker T./The Band

Thank you once again Dag. Your archives are state of the art. These primary sources put many other speculations, memories, and versions into perspective. Also, your link to the 1965 Hawks show is golden. What a tremendous gift. It's remarkable how these men sounded in 1965 in comparison to their music just three short but transformative years later.

Once again I will make an announcement about the Booker T. Jones autobiography--read this, please. It is an important chronicle.

I'm eager for the rerelease of The Band next week. The remixed/mastered version of "Dixie" is gorgeous, sublime. Almost like experiencing this performance anew.


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Posted by:

Ari

Saw Once Were Brothers last night with Robbie in attendance. Not bad, though it really is more of montage. Don't think I picked up anything new, there really wasn't very much footage of them performing which was surprising. I had a really nice experience but in retrospect I didn't take much away from it. Did meet the director though who is really, very nice.


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Posted by:

Bill M

I appreciated the links the music mentioned in the LA Times article. I hadn't heard more than a line of "Once Were Brothers". Interesting that Robbie chose to add a shadow Levon voice to the North/South verse, which is about both standing together and disagreeing with what the other was saying. Also interesting that Robbie uses "brothers no more" to cover both the post-TLW division and the ultimate division between the living and the dead.

Note that the falling of the curtain is the image used in both OWB and "I Hear You Paint Houses". Reflecting a 76-year-old's sense of the approaching inevitable, I imagine.

On a happier note, the opening line of "Dead End Kid", "I stole a bible from a hotel room", immediately brought to mind the Beatles' Band-inspired "Rocky Racoon" - "Rocky Racoon checked into his room, only to find Gideon's bible".


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in 1979-82

Another collection of clippings and stuff.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: the link to the article mentioned in Kevin J's post


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: The Hawks Go Mancini

I can't imagine the Hawks not having played "Peter Gunn", but surely "Mr Lucky Goes Latin" was a bridge too far.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Richard Manuel 1983 The Band

From an article in the LA Times by Randy Lewis where Robbie Robertson is played some songs and asked to respond. He wasn’t told what was coming....nice article....and there were 12 songs that were part of it. Below is one and of note in that I don’t recall RR ever commenting before on anything that the reformed Band ever did:

“Country Boy” (from “Jericho,” 1993, the first album from the group’s reconstituted lineup, minus Robertson. The plaintive song opens with one of the final recordings made by Manuel before he committed suicide in 1986.)

“Ahhhh. Heartbreaking. That’s quite a feeling, in a musical group, when there’s one guy in the group that when he does what he does, it just brings you to tears, and you almost think like, ‘Don’t do that — don’t do that! We’re trying to be strong over here. We’re trying to not show that kind of stuff.’ But Richard had that ability to just reach in and just grab you by the heart, in the most beautiful way.”

Article is LINKED today at Expecting Rain


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, I don't have Combo. The 5 CD set has Peter Gunn, Charade, Touch of Evil, Breakfast at Tiffanys and Mr Lucky Goes Latin. All five in replica card sleeves for £5.99, or £1.20 each. I was pondering in the shop and the guy said, 'If you saw any one in a Charity Shop for £5.99, I bet you'd buy it.' Well, not all of them but three of them if only for the sleeves - Music From Peter Gunn is the sort of sleeve I might frame.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V

Peter do you have Mancini's album Combo? I love it!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Played both Tractors CDs (The Tractors + Farmers In A Changing World) but found them a touch generic. Maybe my mood. I found a five CD set of Henry Mancini soundtracks for just £5.99 and they are stunningly good.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ripley didn't play on Jokerman.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: John Cruz

No worries Jon. I was happy to see you bring attention to John Cruz as well. He has a big family of musicians in Hawaii. There is a Playing for Change video of him and all Hawaiian people doing a traditional song John wrote in their language. Very beautiful and great to watch all those people with their traditional dances as well.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Oops, sorry Norm for doubleposting your John Cruz link. I must have missed it... a lot of posts here lately. Which is great to see!


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Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Thanks

Been awhile since I posted but had to give a big Thanks to Dag for that Levon and The Hawks show. Much appreciated !

Also, regarding the Lucinda Williams discussion (I think Todd spoke highly of her song-writing) - I agree. Ever since Car Wheels I've been a big fan. She recently produced an LP by Jesse Malin called Sunset Kids. Apparently Jesse has been around for awhile but this is the first I've heard of him. I cannot vouch for his earlier stuff (haven't checked them out yet) but this latest one is excellent. Lucinda can be heard on backing vocals on several tracks and also duets on one track. Check out 'Dead On' by Jesse Malin on youtube for the duet. Every track on his Sunset Kids CD is excellent.

Dag - thanks again !


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Producing Bob

I forgot to mention something I got a laugh from. When they were making the video Jokerman, Bob kept closing his eyes and they were getting very frustrated trying to get him to keep his eyes open.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Steve Ripley / Steve Ridley

Steve Ridley is an English, French guitarist I read about some time ago. Don't know how that got stuck in my head. Steve Ripley I've known for a long time. Steve started playing with Dylan about 1981. At the same time Jim Keltner was playing drums on that tour. They are both from Oklahoma.

I remember Mark Knopfler produced that album Infidels for Bob at that time. I remember Mark saying, producing Bob was difficult and a challenge he enjoyed. No doubt Mark and Mick Taylor did a lot of playing on the album. However I read some where that Steve played on Jokerman. I read so much I can't remember where I read it. Looking on other sources Steve is not mentioned among all the guitar gods who played with Dylan. So I guess even tho' I think of Steve as a pretty hot player I was surprised to see where Dylan said Steve was one of his favourites.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: The Band feature in Clash Magazine

There's a huge 50th anniversary piece on The Band by editor-in-chief Simon Harper in the new issue of Clash Magazine, including a long interview with Robbie. For this feature, Harper also spoke with Garth, John Simon, Jon Taplin and Elliott Landy, as well as celebrity fans Roger Daltrey, Ringo Starr, Pete Townshend and Bernie Taupin!

Check link above for a little preview of the Robbie interview.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Tractors

Just lifted their two CDs off the shelf. I had totally forgotten them. Years ago, there was a guy at Record Fairs who specialized in Americana and had stuff like Levon's solo CDs and he often recommended stuff to me … Mark Germino was one. He also recommended The Tractors. Will give them a spin today. Years since I played them.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Believe it or not.

Steve Ripley and Carla Olson are in the "Sweetheart Like You" video but neither plays on the record.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Not to be an "authority" or anything but it is Steve Ripley - not Ridley - and not sure he had anything to do with the great Infidels album. I was pretty sure the guitar on "Jokerman" was Mick Taylor and perhaps some by Mark Knopfler. Was he called in to act in the video? I do recall Bob being a bit stiff in the video of the song......and all too loose in the live TV Letterman presentation of the song!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A little more on Steve Ridley

You always find a little more. I didn't realize what good friends Steve was with Leon Russell. So Steve told Leon how much he wanted to meet Bob Dylan. After that meeting, Steve spent a year on the road with Bob. That is how Steve became one of Bob's most loved guitar players.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Another sad loss

I hadn't realized until going thru' more of my music, we lost Steve Ridley this past January 3 of 2019 from cancer. That is another big loss to the music industry. Steve was a great presence with many artists.

In the Buddy Holly Tribute, "Not Fade Away" with the Crickets, the Band, the Hollies, and the Tractors, Steve does a bit where he explains Buddy Holly's very innovative way of playing guitar. To many guitar players Steve helped to understand the reasons Buddy adopted his style. It was most interesting and if you are a guitarist it is something everyone would want to see. Steve will surely be missed by many, many people.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: John Cruz

Jon Lyness, I tried the other day to turn everyone on to John Cruz. As well as Jokerman, he does a verse on All along the Watchtower, The Weight and many of his Hawaii songs with all people from Hawaii. John writes and produces many songs that are wonderful.

The original 1980's video of Bob Dylan singing "Jokerman" took many years to be found on youtube. It is one of the best vocals Bob has done (I think). the art work shown in that video is marvelous. I was surprised to find that Steve Ridley, (who apparently is one of Bob's favourite guitarists) plays the lead guitar in this video, a beautiful job. Steve Ridley of a band he put together called "The Tractors" was a champion of Buddy Holly and appears with his band on a movie of Buddy Holly's music along with The Crickets, The Band, The Hollies and Waylon Jennings. On that movie the Tractors cover Buddy's "Think it Over"


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Posted by:

Fat Mild Mercury

Many thanks to Dag B. for the Oklahoma City link! Also thanks to Kevin J. for being so welcoming. Good to be here.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Another new Playing For Change video...

Try "Jokerman John Cruz Playing For Change" on youtube. Beautiful and recommended.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Thanks Dag!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I'm convinced that if only Dag B had been appointed Special Counsel instead of Robert Mueller - we might already be rid of the Orange Clown!

Dag.....I am back to my place end of next week and shall forward the magazine then.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Levon & The Hawks - Oklahoma City 1965

Link good for 7 days.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I don't remember Blues Council at all (though the memory isn't what it used to be). Marmalade played on the Solid Gold Sixties tour here about a week ago, but I didn't go. I think I'd rather remember them as they were in 1970 and 1971.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: The history of Scottish music

Last five played

Lonnie Donnegan Midnight Special - huge influence on the British music scene.

Chas McDavitt and Nancy Whisky - Freight Train - also big in skiffle.

Blues Council - Baby Don’t Look Down - reputation as a great band. Sadly two members die in a crash coming back from a gig. Rare, brilliant single. Probably saw them in Bournemouth, Peter?

Dean Ford and the Gaylords - That Lonely Feeling - first Scottish Band to get a recording contract related to Liverpool scene, but no hit until later as Marmalade.

Alex Harvey and His Soul Band - Shout - huge influence on Scottish music. Brilliant recording.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: French Navy by Camera Obscura

One of the retirement projects I’m working on is a journey through Scottish popular music.

John Peel promoted the band, Camera Obscura and I think they are a really good band. Google the above song if you have a minute. I think it’s brilliant.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Aw wight, Todd

Really enjoyed that version of Waterloo Sunset. I hope you made the pilgrimage to Waterloo Tube Station. I was a little disappointed when I found out that Terry wasn’t Terry and Julie wasn’t Julie. Peter!!!

I loved working at the Market, Todd. The musical highlight for me in London was that I was in a pub in Hounslow and there was a trio playing and a jazz lady sang ‘A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square’. A beautiful rendition. I always think of London when I hear that song. Check out Twiggy singing it on You Tube. And Those Canvey Island rockers, Dr Feelgood ‘Down By the Jetty’ - London pub rock at its best.

Rick is brilliant on that YouTube clip, Kevin. I know the song, but Colin Linden adds to this version.

Got as far as ‘Lil Liza Jane’, Fat Mild Mercurry, but other clips weren’t available. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Musician

Kevin, I’ll take the pages from Musician 1987, please send them to luckywilbury AT online.no (no hurry).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Classic Albums - The Band & Rick Danko

Power is out ! What to do ? Go to bed? Nah.......click on the VH1 Classic Albums doc on The Band.........stunning revelation for me is that the real thing has about 20 more minutes of content than the one I had originally recorded all those years ago from MTV ( or as it was called in Canada - and actually a much better V chanel it was - Much Music ). Levon and Robbie both great in this - though Robbie is out of tune in some of the guitar parts. Valuable bits on songwriting - guitar and piano from Robbie.

Also, for true fans of The Band and especially the late and truly great Rick Danko - do Google Rick Danko Blue River Much Music for a beautiful treat. And for Dunc, Colin Linden is along for the ride.

Fat Mild Mercury......Thank you and welcome!


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Posted by:

Fat Mild Mercury

Subject: Oklahoma City 1965

The last week or so I've been binging on an Oklahoma City Levon and the Hawks show that is of much better quality than any I've ever heard before. I found it on Swinging Pig's YouTube channel. When I tried to listen to it today I found that Pig's site had been suspended. Anyway Richard and Garth dominate throughout, and Levon and Robbie absolutely shred on High Heel Sneakers. Listening to Robbie second solo (it really swings) on this one helps me understand what John Hammond was talking about when he said they were the hottest R&B band he had ever seen. Richard's voice is in perfect form and Garth dazzles through the entire show. I know this show will never be officially released and enhanced, but a boy can dream. Pig also had a decent 65 Dylan show with the boys, as well as countless 66 shows. Also lots of Band shows, but the one boot that stood out was without a doubt the Oklahoma City show.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Levon Helm Page & Acadian Driftwood Floating Over Canada

Wallsend.......I am not sure on this. The page I was referred to is called Levon Helm Fans - public page. The moderator has a warning on the page that anyone making deragatory or defaming comments about anyone in The Band will be immediately suspended. I was so heartened to scan through what seemed like days/weeks of posts - mostly about Levon but several including The Band and specifically Robbie - and to check out the comments and not see any of the usual hateful/vile nonsense. Even the specific video outtake of Acadian Driftwood at TLW where someone mentioned how it was one of the very best songs Robbie ever wrote - was not met with any negativity...........Really hope it wasn't just a case of catching this group in an unusually civil period because I was genuinely thrilled to see something on Levon that didn't contain any hate.

Bill M.......The Acadian Driftwood part really stood out especially because as mentioned in an earlier post about RR's 1987 Musician mag cover , it was at a time when hearing anything from The Band was special and hearing it prime-time on our national television network was even more surprising. Murray flew his float place across the.country and as he dropped down into each Provence and Territory was met by a performer of note to share a song with. Ian Tyson, for example out West ( he had already made his transition to being a cowboy ) and the only other vivid memories I have of the special was a very beautiful ( dare I say sexy ) Buffy Sainte-Marie howling out a song by a camp fire.....I think!.....and the great use of McLaughlan's song "Out Past The Timberline".

The other Band related tv special that is impossible to find was one from the same time period - early 80's - on Ronnie Hawkins called "The Hawk".


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

The Ties That Bind (the Aussie Levon compilation) really missed out by not having Deuce and a Quarter on there. A real gem of a 90s Levon/Band track, and as many years as I've logged here I did not know of it at all. I've enjoyed that song over and over since Jan linked to it a while back.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Kevin, we must be looking at different versions of the Levon Helm Fan page on Facebook. The version that comes up on my screen has lots of posts from Levon's relatives and associated people regularly spitting out hate at Robbie. If anybody posts anything vaguely nice about Robbie they are immediately attacked.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: I'm not on Facebook, so perhaps you could add some of the detail from Murray's autobiography. Apparently Levon's wife, who was in the rowboat with him, was desperately afraid of water, so the film crew had to beach the boat and shoot outward on an angle that would show just water beyond Levon. (I've never seen it, as it appeared on CBC TV when I was living abroad.)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Weight

Bill M.........meant to add a thanks for that research on Robbie playing around with the into to The Weight in 1965/66..... Adam of this GB had made reference to this years ago and Robbie has talked about noodling as all players do and extending some of the Curtis Mayfield influences into The Weight........music is beautiful.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Dag B.....The Kinks.....Levon Helm Fan Page

Dag B: If only the 1987 Musician magazine was the request, I'd be your man..... I hung onto that one and amazingly it has managed to go unlost through many moves......why so special ? Pre-Internet age and when I walked into that magazine store that summer it was a month or so before the release of the Robbie Robertson album. I had heard nothing about it and in fact had not heard a thing about RR getting back into the game. I remember being surprised at what he actually looked like as I had not seen his face since TLW!..........Walking home with the magazine that summer evening and having the pleasure of actually reading something about the new album and all kinds of great things about The Band was exhilarating. People now forget just how out of the picture the Band was in those days.....FM radio hardly played anything by them and it had gotten so bad that when news came out that Richard Manuel had hanged himself in some 3 star motel after having played an oldies show with The Band at a place called the Cheek to Cheek Lounge - the FM station I was listening to made reference to it, played "Up on Cripple Creek" and moved on.....not even a Richard song and no other comment........Robbie's reemergence in 1987 and the front covers of magazines all over the world and massive airplay and awards that followed really kick-started The Band's story.

The Kinks: Just listened to one of my favourite 80's album - Word Of Mouth. Start to finish great..........."Good Day" , "Summer's Gone", "Sold Me Out" , "Missing Persons" have always been favs but Dave's "Living on a Thin Line" is also wonderfuL.

Levon Fan Facebook Page: A nod to a really fine page that offers information and pays tribute to Levon and The Band......and here's the great part....The people that operate the place have class and operate the page in a way that respects ALL MEMBERS of The Band. A policy is in pace where anyone making any derogatory about any member ( obviously meaning RR ) is immediately suspended. If only these guys could exercise that control over all the Band related "comments" sections in Band land! ............. Anyhow, good news as well in that some there are obviously reading this guestbook as a recent mention by me of the "Acadian Driftwood" performance ( video ) in the Murray McLaughlan "Floating Over Canada" CBC special was followed up a few days later in the Levon Page.........All good, let's hope some of these folks start posting here.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Levon Box

The Ties That Bind - The Best Of... 1975-1996 would be a great start to a Levon Box set. I would always want most of Dirt Farmer in there too. I just hope it's not OPM (Other People's Music) who are working on it like they did with Levon and the Hawks: From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day or we might be pushing up the daisies first.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

We live in the west end, but on Saturday my wife suggested we check out some church bazaars in Guildwood, a neighbourhood in the far east end the city. Each of us walked away with what the other would see as trinkets - in my case a few CDs and LPs, the latter including two interesting-looking calypso records from the early '60. Last night, googling the artists' names while listening, I was surprised to find out that one of the artists, "The Charmer", later changed his offstage name from Eugene Walcott to Louis Farrakhan - a name I recognised, but from a totally non-musical context.

We slowly made our way homeward, stopping in at a matinee to see who the musical guests were. This time it was a steel-player, a highschool classmate and band-mate of my closest old friend, both of whom hailed from the same Guildwood and played calypso music with the school's steel band. He's moved well beyond calypso to records with all sorts of people, including Luther Wright and the Wrongs, a Kingston Ontario group that made something of a splash their "Rebuild the Wall" CD, which reimagines Pink Floyd's "The Wall" as bluegrass music - see link.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: First Aid Kit - Waterloo Sunset

One more from First Aid Kit. Nice version of 'Waterloo Sunset'.
These ladies sound very good together.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: First Aid Kit

Following up on my Emmylou theme from yesterday, here is a link to a moving performance of 'Red Dirt Girl' by First Aid Kit, which are two sisters from Sweden. Emmylou is in the audience.

I don't know too much about these girls, maybe everyone is already aware of them? I've only been aware of them for the past year or so.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Jason Crigler with Teddy Thompson & Poundcake

This clip has Jason Crigler guesting with Teddy Thompson's band "Poundcake", playing 'Little Sister' at City Winery in NYC.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Jason Crigler

This link has more info about Jason's recovery. This is only a six minute clip. There was a full documentary about it on PBS in 2009 called Life. Support. Music. Not sure if the full documentary is available online, but is a powerful work, well worth watching if you can find it.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Jason Crigler - The Bush and the Tree Song

I may have posted about the musician Jason Crigler in the past. He is a guitarist who has played in the NYC area, with many folks including Norah Jones, Teddy Thompson, Ollabelle and others. In 2004 he suffered a stroke and brain hemorrhage shortly into a set of music he was playing at a NY club. His prognosis at the time was grim, with very low expectations that he would ever recover, let alone play music again. He has no memory for about 18 months of his life during this time, but ultimately did recover, and had to relearn how to play guitar. The link above is one of my favorite songs from him. It's called 'The Bush and the Tree Song'.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: The Menzingers

Kevin J, Glad that you liked the Menzingers. The song 'Casey' that you referenced, is from their 2012 album called "On The Impossible Past". Probably their "best" album if you only had to get one. That was their third album. I haven't heard enough of their newest album (which is their fifth album) to have a strong opinion about it yet, but I'll probably pick it up soon. The first four songs on Impossible Past are all very good. The song 'Gates' is great, as well as 'The Obituaries' and 'Mexican Guitars'. But the entire album holds up pretty well.

The link above is from a club show they did in Florida in 2013. They lead off with a fantastic version of 'The Obituaries'. My favorite part is that Tom makes an announcement that the venue does not want any stage diving during the show, and then, about two minutes later, proceeds to dive off the stage into the crowd. And the crowd is into the show properly, no cell phones out, and singing along to every word. Great energy.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Musician 1982

Good evening, infidels. I'm working on another collection of stuff, this time from 1979 onwards, looking for scans or good photos of the 1982 Musician magazine interview with Robbie.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: We're all heathens

I never meant to be a shit disturber. Just a Dusty fan.

You want to hear a great African artist. Cynthia Erivo ('Harriet') may be playing Aretha in a Nat. Geog. TV series.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: One Armed Go-Go Dancer & Between Trains

Just to put a bow on this discussion.....In an appearance on the Tom Power CBC Q show from 2016 as part of the Testimony book tour, Robbie did expand on the story in quite a funny way.......worth looking up.

As to volume 2 of the RR story, regulars might remember that Sebastian R quite liked my suggestion to call it "Between Trains" and said he would pass it on to his dad. Since Robbie has hinted recently at a volume 3 as well, I think the title has even more meaning........Plus, I desperately want that song to be heard by more people.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Sunny Ways

Todd.....Thank you for the Menzingers tip. I hadn't noticed your previous post on this but have spent the last 30 minutes or so getting up to speed! There is a brilliantly directed video for the song "After the Party" and I really liked the song "Casey"....some clever lyrics and yes - a Replacements vibe. Now listening to your link and songs off the new one.

Recent songs listened to...and all in the car on a long drive and most just purchased or re-purchased from iTunes.

John Prine......"The Great Comprimise" and "Souvenirs"

Van Morrison......"Days Gone By" and "March Winds in February" ( love the reference to the Côte d'Azur as it brings back fond memories for me )

Bryan Ferry......"The In Crowd" ( prompted by a recent viewing of a great doc on Halston )

Harry Nilsson...."Jump into the Fire". (one of Robbie's great music selections for a Marty movie )

Sweet......"The Ballroom Blitz" and "Fox on the Run" ( played really loud while driving.....they stand up and also bring back great memories of school days basement parties )

Robbie Robertson......"Golden Feather" and "Street Serenade"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The One Armed Go-Go Dancer

My old friend, the One Armed Go Go Dancer, suggests to me that angry internal political discussions never lead to sweetness and light.


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Posted by:

Pluto

Get your tongue out of Trudeau's ass.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Too wide, Wallsend. I can get into an argument on my own in a closed room.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Robbie's comment was funny but it doesn't take many people to start a fight. Ask any husband or wife.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Todd, LOL at the Robbie Last Waltz story; I was thinking of that too! Too funny.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: When Worlds Collide

Stop the presses! Just saw this on YouTube. Chris Robinson singing 'With a Little Help From My Friends'. He does a great job with it, but that's not the most important part. This is from a recent show in New Orleans, and Amy Helm and Larkin Poe were also on the gig. You can see Amy Helm, and Rebecca from Larkin Poe singing backing vocals, and Meghan on slide later in the song. Looks like good times and camaraderie all around. Hopefully this will lead to more collaboration in the future...almost hard to process for me. Very fond of Amy, and adding Larkin Poe into the mix seems almost surreal. Excited about future possibilities.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou - Red Dirt Girl

Thinking about Emmylou Harris and her song 'Red Dirt Girl'. Sad and beautiful at the same time. Here's a link to a live performance.


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Posted by:

Todd

Subject: Lyrics from The Menzingers 'Hello Exile'

"In a vacation town where I lived year round
She migrated here with the summer crowds
And we fell in love under impossible smiles
Life was perfect if just for a little while"

Again, not great art......but pretty darn hooky, kind of heartbreaking too.
Reminds me of my teenage years.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: For Kevin - The Menzingers

Kevin J, Not sure if you were on your hiatus (or if I was on mine), when I posted about a pop punk band from Pennsylvania, called "The Menzingers".

Anyway, they are signed to Epitaph records, but have mainly been slogging it out in a van and touring extensively, mostly in clubs, over the last decade or so. I've never seen them live, but have been following them on YouTube. I haven't gotten many takers here when I've posted about them in the past, but maybe you will be interested. They remind me a lot of The Replacements, with a bit of a Green Day vibe. Their live shows seem to be a little inconsistent, as compared to their albums, but I like their energy and they have a lot of hooky, catchy songs, shrouded under a "punk" umbrella.

They just recently released a new album called 'Hello Exile". I posted a link to the title track. Again, this is not great art...it's not the Beatles, it's not The Band, it's not even the Replacements....but it's not too bad! Give it a listen if you have the time. (It's definitely not soul music, so maybe a useful respite!)


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Posted by:

Todd

Subject: Sole Music

The recent kerfuffle between Pat & Kevin, reminds me that we should always keep in mind Robbie's story from The Last Waltz about the gig they played where there were three people in the room....the one with the one armed go-go dancer. He says that "there were not enough people in the room to be angry....and a fight breaks out!"
Generally speaking, this group is getting smaller and smaller as the years go on, so hopefully the chances of a fight breaking out should be reduced as well.
That said, I totally support people sticking up for their beliefs, and being able to express them.

For what it's worth, I agree with both Kevin and Pat to some degree. I don't think Pat was trying to perpetuate any kind of racial animus or division in his description of white soul singers, (or soul singers who happen to be white). But I also agree with Kevin, that any kind of division based on skin color should be something that we try to relegate to the past. It would be great to get to the point where someone could be described as a great (fill in the blank) singer, actor, President etc. without adding a caveat or limitation based on skin color.

Was Billie Jean King a great female tennis player. Or a simply a great tennis player? Is Serena Williams a great black female tennis player, or a simply a great tennis player? In my book, they are both "great tennis players", period.
Dusty Springfield is a great singer.....doesn't really need caveats or an asterisk.

As far as Pat using the word "heathens", I thought he was actually using it as a term of endearment (as strange as that may sound) It's part of his standard patter. I doubt Pat would ever say that to someone who who didn't consider to be a friend. I had an art professor in college who used to refer to us as "Philistines"...but he didn't really mean it in a negative way, and it was always said with a wink and a smile. But things in print sometime come across a little harsher, so there is always that limitation in the medium.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou Harris - Lodi

OK, now I'm on an Emmylou kick. Link above to a performance of John Fogerty's 'Lodi', also from Dave Letterman's show. I think this one is from 1992.


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Posted by:

Todd

Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou's version of Crescent City

The Lucinda Williams link led me to a performance by Emmylou Harris on the Dave Letterman show from 1995. Very nice performance, which includes Sam Bush on fiddle. Watching this reminded me that Will Lee might be the most fun bass player to watch after Rick Danko. He really inhabits the groove in a physical way. And Emmylou is just a special talent and person. I've told this story before, but of all the celebrities/famous people that I've been in close proximity to over the years, one of my biggest "pinch myself" moments was standing in Levon's barn right next to Emmylou, watching Levon drum and sing 'Rag Mama Rag'. It's one of those moments that I wish I could re-live. It's the same night that I saw Amy Helm, Levon & Emmylou sing 'Angel Band' together. A really special night.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Still, my favourite Bonzo lines are "My pink half of the drainpipe keeps me safe from you" (which still comes to mind when I notice something that smacks of petty squabbling between neighbours), and "In the wardrobe of my soul, in the section labelled 'shirts'" (which would be David Suget's Hercule Poirot).


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Poe - Lucinda - Caulfield

Glad that so many enjoyed the link that I posted to Larkin Poe covering the Stealers Wheel tune. They did a really nice job on it, but the original can’t be beat. Thanks to Peter & Dunc on the additional info about Stealers Wheel and the links. I read the Toppermost entry from Dunc, and it filled in a lot of the gaps in my knowledge. The Joe Egan album that was referenced was nice too. I started listening to it on YouTube, but will probably end of getting it on CD to play in the car, where I can really dig into the music, rather than on my computer speakers.

Dunc, your days in London, in the market back in the day, sounds like quite a time! Must have been something to experience. And no, I did not eat any jellied eels, so perhaps my trip to London was not as immersive as it could have been. But had some great pub meals and local ales, so really enjoyed that part of the trip.

I’m also a fan of Lucinda Williams. She really is a great songwriter. The first time I became aware of her, was by hearing a cover version of ‘Passionate Kisses’ in a coffeehouse in Massachusetts in 1992. A local gal sang it, and mentioned in her introduction that it was a song made popular by Mary Chapin Carpenter, but written by Lucinda Williams. Loved the song so much that I had to start searching out her work, which wasn’t as easy in the pre-internet days. If you haven’t picked it up yet, you should check out her self titled album (which I think is actually her third album) simply named “Lucinda Williams” on the Koch label in 1988. It has ‘Passionate Kisses’ as well as another favorite of mine called ‘Crescent City’ which is inspired by her time growing up in Louisiana. I put in a link at the top to that song from the album

Bill M, Ha! I’m not quite sure how I strung those words together. It’s been 30 plus years since I’ve read Catcher in the Rye, but in an odd coincidence, my wife was just reading that book while we were away for a weekend recently. Perhaps some of Holden’s meter slipped into my subconsciousness.



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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the intro and the outro

Dunc: The Count Basie Orchestra on triangle; Roy Rogers on Trigger; Eric Clapton on ukelele; Quasimodo on bell.

Back to the subject, His Garthship is simply amazing on the '66 Belfast show. Very forward on some stuff and so powerful on LARS (on which he also plays a bit of "La Bamba" with Robbie. The drumming is odd, as it sometimes sounds more like Richard in the basement than Mickey on the stage. Mickey does vary it up between shows, but not to this degree (thus far). Oh yes, LARS starts with a guitar strum-strum and a single drum shot, and then Robbie plays a figure that turns up two years later in the intro to "The Weight". Recycling is good.

Sorry to see you guys squabbling. Life's too short.


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Posted by:

b.lee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: That song

DUNC! DON'T GET ME STARTED! (Too late...)

There's Roy Rogers on Trigger...

That's Eric Clapton, ukulele...Nice, Eric!

Looking very relaxed, Adolph Hitler on vibes...

Vernon Dudley Bohay Noles bass guitar...

The Incredible Shrinking Man on euphonium...

That's General DeGaulle on accordian...an honor sir.*

And finally...

J. Arthur Rank on gong...

(* That's where I recall that line. I could be wrong.)

And no, I did not Google the lyrics.

I admit that in my glorious misspent youth I did not 'get' all of the references, but it was still a hoot.



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Headline today: Group in Western Canada disenchanted with election results has petitioned The Orange Clown to offer Statehood to the Western provinces.

Please do leave the country, Norm and take that anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-immigration insurance man Andrew Scheer with you.....Before you go, you might want to enroll in the free literacy programs on offer thanks to the Liberal Party of Canada. At least that way, I might be able to better understand what you are babbling on about in future posts.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Rude? RUDE???

Awright I haven't been looking in here in a while but I'm going to get in here. Thanks Dunc I'm going to look up your suggestion.

I'm with Pat Brennon all the way. There are heathens among us Pat and you found one easily. He who thinks he is an authority (and on politics as well).

Any one except maybe the mentally challenged knows about discussing (white soul singers). It is not any kind of a racial thing. The black folks who are soul singers for the most part see it as a compliment.

I have always been a great fan of Dusty Spring field and she does a creditable job of Tupelo Honey not a job that leaves me breathless. For example listen to Cassandra Wilson sing that song. Of course she is black (OH NO I've gone and said it).....oh well.

I see back there away with his smug idiotic comments Kevin brags about his moronic Prime Minister winning?? an election. The popular vote was not won by his party some time soon the electoral system will be rebuilt so that it works properly..........or we will no longer have to be a part of Canada and have the blood sucked out of us by Ontario and Quebec.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Blue men and the whites

On my left Sir Kenneth Clark, bass sax.

A great honour, sir.

So who can quote a line of this song?


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: DS - Tupelo Honey

PV - Thanks loads for that. My goodness it was tremendous! Most of her stuff that I know are her hits and Dusty In Memphis. So I’m heading back into her catalog straightaway!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Maybe "the greatest female white singer singing soul with a blonde bouffant"?

Dunno. i'm just a heathen too.


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Posted by:

Pat B

So I should have written "Dusty Springfield is the greatest white singer singing soul music" and that would clear everything up? OK.

btw I've been using the term "heathen" here for perhaps decades without being considered rude. By this time I would have thought the regulars here understood the underlying humor (as in anyone who disagrees with me is a heathen). Obviously I was wrong in that supposition.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

It's a generational thing as well. Rod Stewart and Van and several others of an age that remember well when white musicians first started playing the blues and rock n roll in big numbers often described themselves and others as "blue-eyed soul".......that doesn't mean it should go on forever though.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Take John Hammond Jnr. A man who truly loved the blues and got great backing from Band members. He complained that he wasn’t invited to The Last Waltz, and in terms of what he did for their careers, he should have been. But I can see them pondering it and saying “But can you put this guy on the stage next to Muddy Waters?” No, because he was a blues imitator and would have looked bad. Van Morrison, in contrast, was never an imitator.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Der Blooz

“White soul singer” is a well-known and oft-used description because for many years “classic soul” was by black musicians as was classic blues and rhythm and blues, and if you go back pre-1939 a lot of jazz.

We’ve always known there’s a topic for discussion (Can Blue Men Sing The Whites, as the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band put it) , whichever side you come down on. I’m reminded of the Afro-Caribbean guy at Tower Records (a tale I’ve told many times and I’m sure it grows) who asked me who I was looking for in the blues section. I said Bonnie Raitt, and he exploded. Her greatest sin was having pedal steel on records. No one with pedal steel on any record they had EVER made got in his blues section. I mentioned that she’d been singing with John Lee Hooker, and he finished with “and she’s got red hair!” (I thought of mentioning that Etta James often had blonde hair, but he was bigger than me). So yes, people do make distinctions whether we think they’re real or not.

Yes, there are and have always been white singers and players of blues, jazz and soul, but I don’t think it’s unfair to distinguish them as “white” as a note: Van Morrison, Mick Jagger, Eric Burdon, Chris Farlowe, Maggie Bell, Janis Joplin, Dusty Springfield are all great “blues / soul” for starters. (Interestingly, all British … I realized after I'd typed it). I think one of Dusty’s virtues is she exudes soul, but doesn’t fake an accent. Yes, lots more. On blues more than soul, I often do find white blues singers “mannered.” I have been known to disparage a great deal of “white blues.” I’ve disparaged Greg Allman actually.

For me it goes back to 1964. We all bought The Rolling Stones first album, and laboured to learn this stuff, and were inevitably led to investigate Howlin’ Wolf, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Little Walter, Little Milton and so on. Then we stood and watched them play. They all preferred playing in Europe. Yes, they WERE different. I’ve stood about two yards from Muddy Waters at full power, and believe me, I’ve never seen any “white” singer match it in the same style.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: A Heathen - oh my!

“I wish the term “white” could be dropped when describing a singer as having soul. Seems silly to me at this point. Dusty Springfield had all kinds of soul in her voice as Chet Baker did in his horn. Does Marcus King or Greg Allman make you feel soul or just white soul? The Jazz and rock areas don’t designate in this way, at least they generally don’t any longer, and they shouldn’t. And, I have had the pleasure of hearing First Nation singers in Canada that cut right to the bone with the soul in their voices.....How do we describe their soul?”

Can anyone here, other than Pat B really take offence to what I had written? Thank you, Solomon. I know Van Morrison wouldn’t. And the point Dunc made about the descriptive “white soul singer” being a back-handed compliment is also how I see it. Fifty years on, should we accept Jerry Lee Lewis or Burton Cummings being described as a great white rock n roll singers or just great rock n roll singers?

….and Pat, referring to someone as a heathen is rude. It may be the way of social media but coming from someone here and someone I like very much is a bit hard to take. You made reference after the fact to something Sir Bunter had written as to how refreshing it was to hear white singers rising above the rubbish of pale imitations on “In the Midnite Hour” being your exact thought. But your original post did not express that thought – you simply stated that Dusty Springfield “may be the greatest white soul singer ever” . and I simply expressed my thoughts on the use of white in such discussions. It wasn't personal and I wasn't out of line. Not sure why you were knocked off stride.

Todd: Larkin Poe’s cover of “Stuck in the Middle With You” was brilliant. Thank you.

Katie’s Been Gone & Fallen Angel: “Dear Katie, if you can hear me” and from Fallen Angel “Are you out there, can you hear me”


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tavelin' Thru

I've enjoyed Disc 1 of the new Dylan set today (John Wesley Harding / Nashville Skyline alternative versions). The most trumpeted one in reviews in Western Road, supposedly an outtake from Nashville Skyline with great piano (apparently Bob Wilson). I doubt that it was ever intended for the album. It's a rolling generic blues, beautifully played, ending with laughter- but totally uncharacteristic of the album. Sounds more like a warm up.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoast

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Haircut

... I mean, as long as Carrie Symonds finds it sexy ...


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: JQ on politics/Boris

JQ, you have placed Boris Johnson in a questionable company. He is liberal economically and has a different view on immigration. I don't say this only because I have the same haircut!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Early Dusty

I felt the need to hear where it all started … her first major hit with The Springfields, Island of Dreams. Note how they try to sound "country" but her voice soars.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Dusty on Tupelo

Here you go. The Dusty Springfield version. Incredible.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tupelo Honey

One of my all time favourites in both versions but Dusty’s version is superb AND she has the extra verse. Van chose it for his own compilation of cover versions too. As well as a great soul singer she was pretty good at folk with The Springfields too.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Dusty Springfield / Van Morrison

I did like her version of Tupelo Honey- I think Van summed it up best in his song Soul

Soul is a feeling, feeling deep within

Soul is not the color of your skin

Soul is the essence, essence from within

It is where everything begins

I'm really enjoying his new one called Three Chords and The Truth. Good luck to England in the Webb Ellis Cup. I thought they were outstanding last weekend and it's a great excuse to have a full English breakfast this morning.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Rolling Stone

By JON BLISTEIN
November 1, 2019

Robbie Robertson Details Soundtrack for Martin Scorsese’s ‘The Irishman’

Ex-Band leader penned score, theme for filmmaker’s new mob drama


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Posted by:

Pat B

Dunc, that was my exact thought about Dusty Springfield which some heathens considered ill-founded.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Absolutely, Pat. I always saw that.

I love the new world version of The Weight.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

What’s this my American friends? Is a Scot number 1 in the American singles charts? First time that has happened for a while.


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Posted by:

Pat B

"They were white musicians making soul music without...doing something that was just a pale imitation of what black artists did."


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

If I could smell it, Peter, I’d definitely know. Three stalls selling them and the competition bordered on on intense hatred. Plate of jellied eels for my lunch from the jellied eels stall. Sunday shifts were dealing with a hangover and dealing with the public. If she bought it from Sounds or Melody Maker, it was one of ours.

Norm, I think you’d like the Joe Egan album.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Some of those Petticoat Lane Afghan coats were somewhat near the original goat. My girlfriend at the time had a purple one and while it looked great, the skin and goat hair was quite lively, not to put too fine a point on it, odiferous. I wonder if she bought it from you, Dunc?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Stealer's Wheel

Link to Dunc's Toppermost on Stealer's Wheel. Agree that you should check out Joe Egan.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

It is a brilliant cover, Todd. This was made in my stomping ground. I absolutely love this song and I remember reading that many younger people thought it was a Dylan song. If you’ve got time, Todd, play the Joe Egan ‘Out of Nowhere’ album on YouTube and you could read my Toppermost on Stealers Wheel. I would buy this version, Todd of the song with the greatest hand clapping riff in the history of pop.

Glad you enjoyed, London, Todd. Before I hung my wild years on the line, I was a dustman in London and had the greatest job in the world selling Afghan coats at Pettycoat Lane at the weekend. I remember the vibrancy of the market with great guys and beautiful girls selling their own made beautiful swinging clothes. So I hope you had salt beef sandwich, jellied eels, chicken balti, steak and kidney pie and fish and chips? I had to get down to the Deep South and the Estuary because it was the era of my blues years. In those days, there was nothing like listening to the old original blues players like Jo Ann Kelly, Tony McPhee, Stan Webb, Dave Kelly, Duster Bennet, Ten Years After, Graham Bond, Stefan Grossman, Peter Green, Ginger Baker, Clapton is God and on and on. When you’ve seen these old, original blues guys...

Great quote, Peter.

I’m playing Lucinda Williams’ ‘This Sweet Old World’ and ‘Sweet Old World’. I got into Lucinda Williams because I thought ‘Passionate Kisses’ and the album ‘Car Wheels On A Gravel Road’ are great. ‘This Sweet Old World’ is a re-recording of the songs on ‘Sweet Old World’ and a few more. I had to get the copy of ‘Sweet Old World’ from the USA. Why does an artist re-record her songs? I read a good article in the Guardian on this. I think in this case - two reasons. The first is that there is a change in how she presents her songs, and perhaps more importantly many of her fans would not have heard these songs and Lucinda remains committed to these songs and wants them to reach a wider audience.

I like both albums, and was lucky to see Lucinda perform a great gig in Glasgow. I’ll collect all her work now, apart from her two earlier albums of blues covers. Well after you’ve seen so many of the blues masters, it wouldn’t be fair.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Todd: Your address sounds familiar, in form if not details. Who was it, Holden Caulfield? All of us long before we developed expertise?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Larkin Poe

What a tremendous cover of "Stuck In The Middle With You." She captures the vocal "attitude" so well. A pleasant morning surprise for me (and I'm sure Dunc too as our other resident Stealer's Wheel fan).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Elton John on The Band

In his autobiography, “Me” Elton John says he and Bernie Taupin listened to Delaney & Bonnie because he became obsessed with Leon Russell’s piano playing.

ELTON: (Leon) had managed to synthesize all the music I loved – rock and roll, blues, country, gospel – into one perfectly natural style. The other was The Band. We played their first two albums over and over again. Like Leon Russell’s piano playing, their songs felt like someone switching on a torch and showing us a new path to follow, a way we could do what we wanted to do. Chest fever, Tears of Rage, The Weight; this was what we craved to write. Bernie went crazy for the lyrics. Ever since he was a kid, he’d loved gritty stories about old America, and that was what The Band told: “Virgil Caine is the name and I served on the Danville train, ‘til Stoneman’s cavalry came and tore up the tracks again.’ They were white musicians making soul music without covering In The Midnight Hour, or doing something that was just a pale imitation of what black artists did. It was a revelation. END QUOTE

I’m only 70 pages in, but “Me” is a really great read. Highly recommended.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT - USA - North America - Earth
Web: My link

Subject: Larkin Poe - Stuck in the Middle With You

Happy Halloween Y'all (see what I did there).

No tricks....just treats, at the link above is Larkin Poe doing a casual rendition of the Stealers Wheel classic 'Stuck in the Middle With You'.

When I was a kid, and used to hear this song on the radio, I used to think it was Bob Dylan.....see, I was even less knowledgeable then than I am now. Practically an expert at this point, Haw Haw Haw (I stole that last bit from Norm).


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Posted by:

Rod

For some reason I remember there being two versions of The Ties That Bind. Maybe one was slightly abridged. It was a good compilation even though it was missing my favorite early 80s track - You Can't Win 'Em All.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Location: Lawrence, Kansas/the heartland/flyover country

Subject: Levon Anthology

Hello JH--Thank you. I've seen that Levon collection a few times in stores in Japan. Maybe I will purchase next time I'm there. I do have most of the music on other discs. Whoever did it has excellent taste.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

‘The Ties That Bind’. Not a box, but AFAIK the only official Levon compilation with some of his post-LW material.


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