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Entered at Fri Dec 9 03:35:51 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Jeff A.Appropriating from some twitter tweet: Mick Jagger, Dad at 73. Not dead, Dad.
These people are nuts. The mother is 29. No, she's not blind.
Entered at Fri Dec 9 01:41:36 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Joe FreyLocation: Albany
Subject: Last Waltz
Thanks John D and Peter. I appreciate it. Opening up the wallet again. Joe
Entered at Thu Dec 8 23:45:57 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VJoe, my copy of TLW on DVD has "new remastered 5.1 soundtrack" + "original stereo mix". I think it's an American one as it spells "color " not "colour" and has NTSC printed on it. But it's Dolby Digital, not DTS.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 23:40:14 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: Brando front row
To save anyone else the time … it did occur to me that the release date of "The Appaloosa" which was the movie Brando was filming would settle that December v April Santa Monica question. It doesn't … it was released in September 1966 in the USA, so could have been being filmed at either date.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 23:37:13 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: The Last Waltz
I'm still dubious - it will be the first Band release I haven't bought. As I say, if you sit 20 feet away with DVD 5.1, Blu-Ray isn't such a fantastic difference - it comes into its own sitting closer. If it had been Blu-Ray HD (4K) then I would have gone for it. I have the box set last time, the DVD and the 5.1 DVD-Audio. Will Blu-ray add that much? I could easily persuade myself, but am trying not to. It is after all, not a cinemascope extravaganza full of tiny detail visually.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 22:56:50 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
John DSubject: Joe
Joe, it has a stereo track, a 5.1 and. DTS. Three choices. Pick your favorite. It really is very good.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 22:08:55 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Well put.People on other music sites I visit are savaging Robbie.Robbie ain't no saint-none of us are-but,there's no way he deserves this disgusting anger and vitriol.I guess the only reason to give it little attention is that hate,anger,vitriol-that's how society takes on most things these days and when you can hide in anonymity of the internet,you can say anything.It used to be that we didn't know every persons deepest darkest part of their soul-today that side has a weapon-the internet.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 22:08:30 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Joe FreyLocation: Albany
Subject: the new Last Waltz Release - John D's comments
John D, does the new blue ray have a dedicated stereo track or just a 5.1 track. I am not a big fan of mix down to two tracks which I am forced to do with the 2006 release. joe
Entered at Thu Dec 8 21:54:33 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
WallsendLisa, I think you have hit the nail on the head. The hate that is expressed towards Robbie is out of all proportion to anything he is alleged to have done even if you accept what Levon said as true.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 21:46:06 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
LisaJake, I wasn't referring to the reviews themselves, but to the comments sections below (where they exist - not all of the reviews have them). The same sort of vitriol you find under the Youtube songs, interviews, etc. The dates of the comments show that the bad feelings still linger.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 21:41:17 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
JakeSubject: Public sourness
Lisa: I have read well over 90% of good reviews on this site regarding Testimony. Who are these people? Where are these comments.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 20:46:15 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
LisaSubject: Public sourness
I'm just starting Robbie's book, but I've read all the reviews people have posted here, and am amazed at the extent of the viciousness that still exists as seen in the various comments sections. I find it hard to fathom why people seem so invested in these stances so long after the fact. It's like they are still ragingly angry and affronted in a highly personal way over something they had no part in, and are not willing to let it go as long as there's a breath left in them, so to speak. It's pretty weird. Haters gotta hate, they say, but why? This particular Moving Finger has truly writ and moved on, and I sure wish they would, too.
beg, honestly, there are no untapped depths here - I wish there were! I've said before I just don't have the knowledge to comment much. Outside of The Band I'm pretty ignorant, and in fact rock isn't my musical background at all. I'm already a little self-conscious that I don't post much about music per se. I tend more to comment on other areas people here bring up, but I figure every little bit helps. And I have written in the past at some length about my personal connections, i.e. the Dylan/Hawks concert Ian just wrote
about, the Music West talk with Robbie, etc. Wish there was more, but that's all she wrote.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 19:50:47 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bob FDan, great post. As I'm reading Robbie's book I've been thinking also about the Springsteen book which I really enjoyed. The two of them have many things in common. A passion for music and the artists that came before them. Love of family. The way they both felt the guitar was their only way out. They both missed getting formal educations and became avid readers. They both had bandmates with serious problems. I guess that part was different in a way for Bruce because he was the boss not an equal partner. I really love both books.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 19:06:39 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Just wish to say that I enjoyed Testimony and swapped with my neighbor for the Springsteen autobiography. Testimony is very well written and a great read for providing background that I did not know and for description of time and place. All of this in a natural first person voice. I would have liked a little more about the Works project or Endless Highway, i.e., what was he doing and feeling when The Band was not producing original material for albums between 1972 and 1975. I also thought that the book should have ended with the soundstage stuff for The Last Waltz, but that's just a quibble. The Springsteen bio is different because it is his entire life and his writing, in my opinion, rambles at times and is not as good as Robbie's. Still an often eloquent discussion of his family, mental health and music. The similarity between the two is that both like to control their situations - Springsteen really emphasizes his control over the E-Street Band. The difference is that Robbie performed within the Band, and despite some great songs since he lacks access to the same voices (and obviously much more) that brought people into their albums without needing the "concept album." That's a compliment Springsteen pays to the Band, Van Morrison and Dylan in his book. My guess is that some of the later acrimony is due to none of the Band members being able to go into a solo career or another successful group (the window was closing in the late 70s and a lot of greats were out in the cold relatively speaking until the 90s). In short, it was not an era where somebody like a Danko could go from Buffalo Springfield to solo to CSNY. Robbie moved on successfully in the 80s. My regret not that Levon's feelings are not real and authentic, but that his third party writer (Stephen Davis) apparently did not add any leavening or nuance, making re-approachment exceedingly difficult given the public sourness.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 18:40:54 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Bob FKev, I'm glad you got to listen to John's show. It was so good. I'm hoping the rest of the GB gets to hear it before it's replaced by the next Mixed Bag show. Every week the show is great. So much Band content and I'm hearing a lot of Canadian music I wasn't familiar with.
I loved the first 3 ELP records ending with Pictures at an Exhibition. When you talk about Lake you have to mention the first King Crimson. His vocals were so great on that record. I saw ELP at The Academy of Music early on and they were wonderful. I saw them a year or so later at a festival in the Poconos and they seemed kind of silly. Problem was they came on right before The Faces.
BEG, Cavs and Warriors are on another level. It didn't help that the Knicks played in Miami the night before while the Cavs were off. Rose had been playing really well. Just hoping the problem with his back won't amount to anything serious. Long season.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 18:21:20 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
John DSubject: The "New Last Waltz" Release
Really surprised that this 40th Anniversary release hasn't had much chatter here. I just want to say that the quality of this Blu-Ray release is just visually and sonically astounding. My son came over and couldn't believe the quality of the picture, compared to past releases. The sound is also just magnificent. I could go on; but you get my drift. If you don't own it then this is the version to buy.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 18:14:44 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
John DSubject: For those who care
Yesterday I mentioned my anticipation of receiving "Totally Stripped" the new CD/DVD package. Been waiting for years for this to come out on DVD. Believe me I could have written much more in my review, however....
I read Michael Darrell Marchuk's review before buying this package. He bought Blu-Ray and didn't like the picture in HD. So I took his lead and just bought the normal DVD version. The sound is incredible. Offers PCM, 5.1 and DTS. Watched in DTS. Then there's the reason I had been waiting for over 15 years. To see this finally on DVD.
I was really disappointed. Michael was right. In HD this is one fuzzy movie. I kept wishing I had a magic button to "tune it in." Being a completist I am happy to own it. Just wish the picture was a lot sharper.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 18:09:13 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
CalvinI'm well aware of Joseph Arthur BEG, grammy nominated for designing his own album cover.
His mom still lives in Akron and I've heard a few fun stories of him on the scene as a teenager.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 17:58:38 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VWell, we have Robbie's tales about Marlon Brando and of him being in the front row at Santa Monica "on Sunday night." He also says Brando had an entourage … so it suggests it was not a long pre-booked show. He puts the well-known Brando "loudest thing he'd ever heard" quote on the show too.
Robbie lives in the area now, which lends it more credence. I pass places in Bournemouth regularly and think "X played there," so it reinforces in the memory more than a one off place in a strange town.
But it could be a bunch of late 65 memories got transposed to March / April 1966. On the set lists they played Santa Monica twice in December 1965. December 8th was a Wednesday, but indeed December 19th was a Sunday.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 17:45:52 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Ian WSubject: Santa Monica show ???? March/April 66 ????
Frankly, I still have to be convinced that such a show actually happened. Dylan was in LA in September 65 (for the Hollywood Bowl show), in December 65 (for several shows) and again March/April 66 (between the Vancouver and Honolulu shows). I would not be at all surprised if these have got inter-tangled in the minds of those involved. I would tend to look for contemporary reports to sort out these recollections and, so far at least, nothing has surfaced to support a Santa Monica show in late March or early April 1966. Where are the adverts? Where are the ticket stubs? Where are the newspaper previews? Where are the concert reviews? Show me those and I'll begin to accept that assertion as fact.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 17:37:25 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VAlso glancing at Judas, he quotes "Robbie;s memoir" so he must have (a) had an advance copy and (b) got his book out fast on its tails.
The Otis Redding / Just Like A Woman story shifts. Now in "Judas" it was Mickey Jones idea. In Testimony it was Robbie's. But I think Bob thinks it was his. Otis is not available for comment.
Also interesting that Robbie had the idea of loosening the tuning on Levon's drum., and that John Simon showed Levon a finger part on snare. There might just be an agenda …
Entered at Thu Dec 8 16:59:11 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill MI agree with Calvin re Greg Lake's voice and with Peter V re "Father Xmas". The sepulchral sound of the latter record will have an edge this year.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 16:44:42 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Just one more for the road from JOSEPH ARTHUR!!
I Miss the Zoo and Other Poetry Selections from Joseph Arthur......came the song and video....I Miss The Zoo. I have a copy of this poetry book and signed too. I just checked on Amazon.ca and it's now 191.22?????!!!!!
Entered at Thu Dec 8 16:26:07 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
....Ohhhhh I forgot.....Jim Keltner on drums and percussion but what makes Joseph Arthurs' brilliant and insightful lyrics pop and dig into your psyche.....besides Garth on piano and keyboards......John "Scrappy" Sneider - trumpets, flugelhorn and horn arrangements!!!!! LISA.....My enthusiasm and blood type sometimes gets the best of me. According to Eat Right For Your Blood Type (found the book for free) A+ types have nervous energy and should be doing yoga and Tai Chi and eating vegetarian. Band connection.....I'd say energy wise I'm the most similar to Rick Danko. ;-D
I know I would apologize if I could see your eyes
Entered at Thu Dec 8 16:02:16 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
CALVIN! Very fascinating and cool work you're doing!!!!! Don't forget Joseph Arthur is from Akron, Ohio and now living in Brooklyn, NY. Band connection....Garth Hudson plays keyboards on I Used To Walk On Water. His playing as the boyzzz would say or mostly Pat B.....sublime. Ben Harper at the very end. Perfect! A song like this needs to be heard again and again.
BOB F and JED...I caught a bit of the game last night with The Nicks and The Cavs.....Your're right. We won't discuss. Derek Rose.....Hope he can come back soon as I can't keep my eyes off him as he's a gifted player even with all of his injuries. Rose, Wall, Westbrook......Wow....They are like roadrunners. So many celebs at game, eh? Spike Lee of course, Katie Holmes, Bill O'Reilly.....So now Lebron won't be staying at any Trump hotels. I love how he's now saying that it's just a personal preference. Apparently players usually stay at a Trump hotel in the Soho district while in NYC. Alright Lebron!
Entered at Thu Dec 8 16:02:16 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Peter VThanks, Roger. Just booked the Unthanks for Southampton - Turner Sims. Should be a good venue- the music school's small concert theatre.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 15:10:50 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
JTLocation: Victoria and Toronto intermittently
Subject: Greg Lake and the genre
I too appreciated ELP and recognized the major contribution of Greg Lake. I was a fan of the evolving progression of rock as it happened despite my love of the striped down version of what there was before. I think that most of the albums still stand tall.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 15:06:04 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: Dating
Ah, Clinton Heylin's "Judas!" just arrived. According to that, the first Mickey Jones rehearsal in LA was 30th March, the last 8th April (from Mickey Jones). So the period Robbie is talking about is largely "after the three North West gigs." That would place the Sunday Santa Monica as April 3rd? What do you reckon?
Entered at Thu Dec 8 15:01:38 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
CalvinI was never a fan of the over indulgence of Prog Rock, but damn did I love Greg Lake. I have all his solo work and found the album he did in 2015, Ride the Dragon, with Geoffrey Downes fantastic.
That voice, it just spoke to me. He is somebody I really regret never getting to see live. Im only in my 50s, having found the band as a teenager when The Last Waltz Came Out, but i am keenly aware there are a lot of artist who I need to see if I want to see them.
Al Stewart and Gary Wright a few weeks ago was one such show, and it was excellent. Both were still in great voice. And both couldn't have been nicer afterwards about autographs and photos.
Plus Im the VP, Archivist and contributing author for the "Akron Sound" Museum. It documents the classic punk era of Akron, which was substantial. But we are also spreading out in Akron's overall history. As such I've starting doing oral histories of musicians, including some R&B and Jazz folks who peaked in the 1950s and early 1960s. It's an exciting time. Plus a publisher has agreed to put out my book on the "Akron Sound".
Entered at Thu Dec 8 14:59:18 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: Greg Lake
RIP indeed. He was a Bournemouth / Poole lad and I saw him in early bands long before ELP. I remember him at the annual "Beat Contest." Met him once too.
Very sad … my school year. "I Believe in Father Christmas" is our very favourite Christmas record. This year it'll be sad to hear it.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 14:59:11 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MSubject: take a pebble and cast it ...
Greg Lake. Wow. First real concert I saw was ELP at the NAC in Ottawa, where I am now.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 14:48:59 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
RogerLocation: Birmingham UK
Subject: Bob Dylan's 115th tour
Back in UK to find Bob Dylan tickets for an early May tour go on sale next week. I won't go. But have booked for The Unthanks around the same time - late April.
Greg Lake - too soon gone.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 13:43:13 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Jeff A.Greg Lake has died at 69.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 11:04:20 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Thanks BEG, Ian, Peter, Lisa. Always enjoy reading about Band related material.
Hope it goes well, Nux. Still play my one Sid Kitchen track. Found out that he had played a Glasgow pub before his death. But I never knew.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 10:19:20 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: muddy waters (no caps)
On the other hand … the basement chronology is not having a clarifying tablet dropped in the water. Robbie has Levon back with them for several pages before “around that time” they get the Capitol contract. He had Rick phone Levon.
Levon’s book has, if I remember well, Rick calling Levon to announce the Capitol contract and ask him to come back. They agree on Rick making the call at least.
But they always tried to maintain the story in the early years of the hardest working band in the business, constantly together for a decade. Looks like that one is still being kept muddy. Unless Garth writes a book, I guess we now know as much as we’re going to get from primary sources. John Simon would be the other one.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 09:27:46 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: March 1966
Thanks, Ian and PSB. I had foolishly looked at Wiki.
From Robbie’s book, in March 1966, they were in LA “for a run of shows”. They were there long enough to stay in a house not a hotel, and meet Jim McGuinn, drop acid (“We had a couple of days off”), rehearse at Columbia Studios with Mickey Jones, meet up with Levon, be invited to Taos (Bob & Robbie stayed in LA), watch Marlon Brando on set, meet up with Marlon’s girlfriend, meet Marlon again “a few days later.”
BUT Robbie also dates the well-known Otis Redding Whisky AGoGo meeting in LA to the “night before we left for Hawaii.” So it looks as if they would also have been in LA between that Vancouver show (26th) and Honolulu (9th April) . So they might have been at this LA house from around the 13th right through for three weeks … with that three day trip to Portland, Seattle, Vancouver in between. Robbie mentioned “a run of shows” but he could mean the three North West concerts, if they were based in LA before and after the three.
Anyway Marlon came to their Santa Monica concert “Sunday night” and sat in the front row. Sundays in March 1966 were 13th & 20th & 27th (time and date com does this for any year) or 3rd April.
All we can do is guess … but as they left Denver on the 13th, and had an eventful time in LA, with a three day trip north in the middle, it points to Santa Monica on the 20h, 27th or 3rd April. , and as Ian says, maybe it was a small show to work Mickey Jones in. (Santa Monica is what I'd call LA, as you can walk from Venice Beach to Santa Monica pier easily).
Entered at Thu Dec 8 08:02:31 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Kevin JSubject: Bob F - John D - John Lennon
Bob F : Thank you for that LINK to a great interview with John Lennon. I really loved him and I guess in some ways I had forgotten how much I missed him......A truly transcendent musician and personality.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 07:39:43 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
WallsendWeb: My link
Part 2 of an old interview with Robbie from 2001. I couldn't find Part 1.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 04:35:07 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Why Robbie Robertson’s Music Endures
"On the wistful dark end of November, as we ease into December and the end of year that feels more like a loss than a victory, the half somber, half lively second album by The Band works it’s way back into my head. The book hints at, but doesn’t explain, how a 24 year old kid could dredge up the kind of songs heard on this record. “King Harvest Has Surely Come,” “Lookout Cleveland,” “Jemima Surrender?” The titles alone boggle the mind. His masterpiece will always be “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.” It’s Rock’s “Grapes Of Wrath.” Had he kept this level of production up a for a decade or two it wouldn’t be hard to imagine him getting the nod from the Nobel committee.
He also wrote a timeless song that could stand as a post-2016 election blues: “Across The Great Divide.” Yes, the country is divided, but this song is more placebo than bitter pill. A romp across the Rockies and who knows what else? Let’s look at the lyrics for a clue.
When the smoke cleared they were in upstate New York in a house dubbed Big Pink, jamming during the day and crashing cars at night. The mythic elements in Robertson’s music make perfect sense when you trace his path. Half Mohawk and half Jewish, he had family on the res and the streets of Toronto. He saw it all in Arkansas, where the very savvy pair of Hawkins and his muse, Levon Helm showed him the tricks of the trade.
In these sour times, some sweetness is called for. The incoming emperor will have massive powers. But he will never be able to suck the enjoyment out of this or any of our country’s great music. I should probably mention our lovely neighbor to the north, because four of these guys were Canadian. Being Canucks might have given them just enough perspective on the rolling tide of American history to get it right. We need that same perspective so someday we might be able to look back at this disturbing eruption of hate and laugh. If we’re not crying."
Entered at Thu Dec 8 04:27:16 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill MBEG: Eh? How do you determine diversity just by looking at typed words? Also, most posts by most people are ignored here, even if they're about the Band. Comes with the territory.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 03:16:15 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
LISA...So glad you made it to Robbie's talk. Like Jon L I was so thrilled to hear that Garth will be collaborating with Robbie on his upcoming recording. Do it Robbie do it!!!!!!!!!! What took Robbie so long?????? Since there wasn't a meet and greet I chose not to attend talk. You're right Lisa; he can tell the same story over and over and over again and it just sounds like the very first time, except for those of us who have heard them before. We forget that we're hard core The Band fans so we're already in the know.....for the most part. Thanks Lisa. I sure wish you'd post more as you're very articulate and I bet you have waaaay more to share here then you're letting on. I also find lacking diversity here......
As for coloured.....Nux can chime in.....During apartheid, my white SA friend told me that when she needed to catch a fire; she'd have to first see some coloured people (mixed race or brown skin) and then they'd go to the Blacks.
IAN...Thank you too. I always try and do research for you. If you're writing a book or article don't forget to acknowledge this site.
Disturbing but this time almost happened in Toronto Decembere 6, 2016.
BILL M...Yes of course posts get ignored by male posters as well. In your case, sometimes I have no idea who you're talking about from our Canadiana music world. Also, remember Robbie now is saying or maybe always did.....The Band's music was North Americana, not Americana.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 02:51:21 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Jeff A.Subject: Ian
License To Steal, or License To Kill. Both are appropriate expressions or songs under trump.License to steal would be the parody.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 02:22:25 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Ian WSubject: Dylan/Hawks concerts in late March 1966
The Dylan/Hawks shows in the latter part of March 1966 have caused tour chroniclers a number of problems over the years. The general patterns was that they were booked to play concerts on or around weekends but not usually on weekdays.
Dylan/Hawks were booked to play a concert in Albuquerque on Saturday 19 March 1966. A local newspaper report (in its 19 March edition) that Dylan had arrived in the city the evening before (18 March) but had contracted virus and that a doctor had declared him unfit to perform. The concert was cancelled. The next show (in El Paso on Sunday, 20 March 66) was also cancelled. This was also reported in their local newspaper on 19 March 1966, suggesting that the decision to cancel both concerts was taken on 18 March. On the other hand, some biographers have reported that, after the show in Denver on Sunday, 13 March, The Hawks were told to take 10 days off and Dylan then flew to L.A. I do not know the source of their information but, since they do not mention the cancelled shows in New Mexico and Texas, I suspect that they have simply written something (anything?) to plug the gap in Dylan’s chronology.
The next known shows are as follows: Portland (Thursday, 24 March), Seattle (Friday, 25 March) and Vancouver (Saturday, 26 March). The planned show in Spokane on Sunday, 27 March 66 (scheduled for 4 pm, the posters say!) was cancelled, because the truck carrying the sound equipment broke down. There were rumours that Dylan was due to play Tacoma on 27 March but someone at the local newspaper advised me that there was no mention whatsoever of a concert being planned there at the time.
So, the last known show they performed in March 1966 was in Vancouver (on 26 March 1966) and the next known show after that was in Honolulu on 9 April 1966. Between those two dates, Dylan was certainly around Los Angeles. He spent time in Columbia’s studios there (he mixed the BLONDE ON BLONDE tapes at this time and he was presumably rehearsing with Mickey Jones newly recruited on drums) and he was photographed at the Whisky-a-Go-Go with Tom Law amongst others. Dylan is believed to have stayed at The Castle, which was “run” by Tom and Lisa Law.
I believe that, if Dylan/Hawks had played major concert in LA anytime in March 1966, there would have been newspaper reports about it. As yet, none has been found. There has, however, been one report of a small-scale show, not advertised and maybe not even ticketed, in the area. I suppose this is possible but, if so, it would presumably have been to settle Mickey Jones in - it seems to have left almost no “footprint”, however.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 01:15:01 CET 2016 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
LisaOh, that's right. "Colored" is a word I remember from childhood. At the time, "negro" didn't carry any pejorative sense, whereas the n-word always did. There were a lot of terms back in those days which would raise eyebrows and tempers now - people have become a lot more sensitive on the whole. Which is a good thing.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 00:55:57 CET 2016 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
One of the words you missed Lisa and I think it came between the use of the N word and Black; was coloured. I worked with James Brown on two occasions and he was quite proud of "I'm Black and I'm Proud."
Entered at Thu Dec 8 00:07:14 CET 2016 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
I believe the progression (at least in the States) was: Negro, Black, African-American. In the 50s people mostly said Negro as I recall.
Entered at Thu Dec 8 00:02:51 CET 2016 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Robbie and Garth collaborating on new music? Oh please, please let that happen!
Entered at Wed Dec 7 23:49:56 CET 2016 from (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VThanks for the Vancouver report, Lisa
The history of the n-word in Britain is a topic on its own. In 1939, Agatha Christie could entitle a novel "Ten little N…" (I'm not sure why I'm so shy of typing it … it's silly).
I recall dogs called that in children's books, as well as the playground rhyme which is now "Eeny Meeny Minny Mo.catch a pixie by its toe". It wasn't "pixie" in my childhood.
The term "N- brown" appeared in British fabric and clothes catalogues until the 1970s, and it was noted by Wiki as the colour description on a Made in China sofa as late as 2007.
Entered at Wed Dec 7 22:28:10 CET 2016 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
LisaSubject: Testimony evening
We went to Robbie's talk last night, so here is my account:
Christ Church Cathedral, though very beautiful, was not an ideal venue for this as only the people in the front rows could see anything. The rest of us were out of luck. All I could see was Robbie's head from the nose up and his left hand (he talks with his hands a lot). The moderator was Hal Wake, long-time Vancouver radio personality and artistic director of the Writers' Festival.
My guess is that Robbie probably focusses on different areas of his life as he gives these talks, and last night he talked quite a bit about his childhood - how his parents met, what they were like, etc. He spoke very lovingly about his mom, and told how she got called Mama Kosh: apparently Ronnie Hawkins, on discovering his heritage, said, "Hell, son, not only are you an Indian, you're a Jew, too!" Only he thought Robbie's mom was the Jewish half of the equation, and nicknamed her Mama Kosh, short for kosher. He also told how totally shocked he was to learn, at age thirteen, that the man he had always considered to be his dad was not in fact his biological father, and it was then he discovered the other half of his extended family, including his colorful uncle Nate.
He went on to talk about how they found Big Pink and set up their little studio in the basement, and about bringing Bob there for the first time. Bob had only worked in professional recording studios up to that point, and was quite amazed that they had this neat little set-up all to themselves (not common for bands to have their own equipment at that time). The freedom just to mess around all they wanted heightened everybody's creative juices, and we all know what happened next!
He talked about the Last Waltz of course, but I imagine most of that is covered in the book.
Here's something I noted particularly for all you guitarists out there: he spent an evening playing with Jimi Hendrix, watching him do incredible things with his guitar, and noticed that when Jimi used his tremelo bar his Strat didn't go out of tune (apparently a notorious problem especially for Stratocasters) and asked him how he managed it. Jimi took a new set of strings, and stretched each one inch by inch down the whole length of the string, pulled the whole thing till it was completely stretched out, and THEN wound them onto the guitar. So there you go - straight from Jimi!
He was asked about one of his own memorable concert experiences, and he told about seeing a Ray Charles performance, where he sang Drown In My Own Tears at an incredibly slow tempo, and it ended up being so profoundly moving that he was just taken to another realm. He also said that he's trying to get together with Garth to have Garth contribute to his next CD, and sounded quite positive about the likelihood of that happening.
There was lots more of course, but I just got the book last night and haven't read it yet, so don't want to duplicate everything. It was a good night, and I enjoyed it very much. Robbie is an excellent speaker, and his enthusiasm for retelling what must to him be the same old stories never seems faked at all - he really gets into it every time.
beg, I've always really enjoyed what you bring to the GB, things liven up in a hurry when you come back. So I hope you don't take negative things too much to heart - sometimes it's all too easy to misinterpret, or be misinterpreted, as I know all too well from my own first experiences here. You have your own style, and your enthusiasm and zest for just about everything is contagious, and probably what makes you a teacher. So carry on.
Peter, when I was working my way through Monica Dickens years ago I was quite shocked to learn that the n-word was a common name given to black horses, dogs, pit ponies, etc. in Britain. This would mostly be pre-WW2, I guess, but still ... ouch.
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Peter VHi Peter, 19 March 1966 … John Bauldie just has “Los Angeles” in “Oh, No , Not Another Bob Dylan Book.” I looked online and it lists Hollywood Bowl for that date, (which I’m not confusing with he previous September visit). The issue is, they played (somewhere) in LA. Did Levon attend?
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PSBLocation: City of Brotherly Love
Subject: Not the Hollywood Bowl
Peter, the Hollywood Bowl show was the previous September, they were in the LA area for other gigs on March 19th 1966.
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Jeff A.Pete, i agree, many people would not vote for a woman for President. There is a separate aspect though- there are many who would vote for a woman, but not for Hillary. Why that is, i can't relate to. Hillary has committed so many of the classic offenses that so many politicians commit, & that is what they throw in your face, but she has also has done many positive things and is qualified to be President. Bernie pushed her more to the left, and she would have protected that territory as best she could, at least as well as Obama, who wasn't exactly wonderful on many issues ( Hands tied no doubt).
There are people who would have voted for Palin, but not for Hillary. Obviously, that's a no brainer to understand. but all these people whose arguments about why they hate Hillary fall apart when you look at the things Trump did, and the things trump has done since Nov 8th. Yet when you try to discuss how trump has already violated everything he said he;d do, and also done everything he claimed Hillary woudl do, btu done it in spades, they just dismiss you as a cry baby sore loser and refuse to acknowledge the facts.
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Peter VGood to see Calvin again. Always great to hear from BEG.
I think women’s rights, and equality of opportunity and pay are under major attack in the Western World, and while 1918 to around 2010 shows steady progress (though slow) especially in education where now more girls than boys go on to tertiary education, there is a clash with what we might call “recognition of cultural diversity.” Successive governments seem to accept that forced marriage, arranged marriage, no education for girls are in some weird way “acceptable” in the name of multi-culturalism. They should have put a line in the sand years ago. Much too late, they’re putting a line over FGM (the paper said there are 167,000 victims in the UK) and so-called “honour killings.” Yes, we welcome diversity, but some things are unalienable rights, and if you wish to live in the West, recognition of these values is non-negotiable.
And I still believe many people did not vote for Hilary purely because of her gender.
My mum’s greatest heroine was Emily Pankhurst, and on a rare visit to London we had to go and see her statue, which is right outside the Houses of Parliament.
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Sincere apologies to S.M. who pops in once in a blue moon. It was because of you we first learned that Robbie's Mom had passed.....
The Band web site
Credits and Sources
"Much of the material on this web site have been copied or extracted from other sites on the Internet. Important sources of information are the wonderful All Music Guide (in particular professor Robert Bowman's insightful notes and articles on the Band), the Internet Movie Database, the Pollstar concert database, the Usenet newsgroups alt.music.the-band and rec.music.dylan, CD and video shops on the net that offer pictures and sound clips and rock oriented sites as Rolling Stone and the many Bob Dylan web pages. The books about the Band, especially Levon Helm's excellent 1993 autobiography This Wheel's on Fire, give detailed historical data that have been very important for the work with this web site. Information from album covers, articles, and documentary videos have also been used on many pages.
The many Band fans around the net that visit this site regularly, have been the most important sources of information. Because of their contributions, ranging from ultra-rare pictures and sound clips to the latest updates on concert dates and recording projects, the Band web pages have grown to become one of the most extensive musical sites on the Internet. The contact with these devoted fans, many of which have become good friends of mine, is a major motivation and inspiration for keeping the Band web site alive. The list below shows (I hope) all the folks that have been involved in the work with the web pages, and also what kind of contributions they have made. Thanks to all of you for helping out with presenting the best rock and roll ensemble in history on the Internet.
Man gets tired
Short version by The Waterboys. I've linked the long version where he channels Van the Man once again! I am more convinced now....I saw The Waterboys in 1984 because Karl Wallinger was still with the band.
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Hi Ian. You're right about different countries obtaining the vote for women had occurred at different times. I said 1913 for Canada which I was wrong. I thought of 1918 but didn't check the facts. Sometimes I'm terrible with dates. My point to Kevin J was that women as a social group were not seen as persons.....until women fought for the right to be seen as persons......same as the civil rights movement and the LGBT communities.
Feminism again.....I also forgot to bring to attention the politics of housework and child rearing.....In my household it's not an issue as partner's children are in their thirties and because of his contractual and precarious work I don't have to deal with the household.....but many women still have two jobs inside unpaid labour and outside in the paid workplace.........They are exhausted!!!!!!!!! Yet some of the women in this GB who used to post and had young children at the time and did both.........You are the real heroes!
"1917–1919 for most of Canada; Prince Edward Island in 1922; Newfoundland in 1925; Quebec in 1940
"Aboriginal men and women were not offered the right to vote until 1960. Previous to that they could only vote if they gave up their treaty status. It wasn't until 1948 when Canada signed the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights that Canada was forced to examine the issue of their discrimination against Aboriginal people."
It's very telling that the people who really bashed Robbie especially after Levon's book came out.....not saying one word about Robbie's book. You don't have to buy the book. Check your local library, borrow the book, read the articles and listen to the many interviews.
Many thanks to all who have responded.....None of you promoted mean-spiritedness in the GB. Anyway, I've had an aha moment.....finally.....and also have to take responsibly for my own posts and misunderstandings. Hoping the new year brings more concise posts and less testimonies by brown eyed girl. ;-D
Hi Calvin. One of my posts did include a welcome back but sometimes now when I check my posts before submitting nothing shows up.....except at the top left hand corner the word link appears. Very strange as we're all strange. Anyway, as I've said before I miss The Band community's energy even though it was quite volatile at times.
Jan H...Are you going to promote Hoskyns and Robbie's book along with Levon's book on your site? Just asking......
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Bill MSubject: from murderous to bucolic ...
Ian W: If your earworm is open to suggestion, you might try replacing 'License' with 'Time'. What a thrill - June AND July.
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John DI guess that the full title should read, "Totally Stripped."
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John DSubject: "Stripped" by The Rolling Stones on DVD
At long last this is on DVD. I've ordered it and it comes tomorrow. Hope the quality is good. It's a legit release from Universal Music.
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Bill MBEG: I hope you don't think you're the only one here whose posts get ignored. As the recent election south of the border reminds us, you never really know what makes people tick. Or how they tick. Or if they tick.
In other news, does anyone here know what being dressed "like a night out in Philadelphia" means? That how Sandy Konikoff told me he looked when he showed up t join the Hawks on the Dylan tour. I'd pictured a '60 equivalent of 'the full Winnipeg' (polyester leisure suit with white tie, belt and shoes) but Robbie has Sandy dressed as a jazz hipster starting with a beret.
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Ian WSubject: License To Kill
The other day, I happened to play a cover version of Dylan's "License To Kill" (a reggae-cum-folkie cover by Jez Lowe, as it happens) and, while the song is not completely or directly applicable, I kept thinking of Donald Trump. I'm not making this up and I don't know why the idea popped into my head. It just did and, once there, it wouldn't go way.
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Ian WSubject:  Somers Point Summer '65;  For Brown Eyed Girl
Somers Point summer 1965 – thanks to the people who commented and/or provided links on this subject. I’m slowly working my way through all these. I was pleased to see Carmen, Tony Mart’s son, confirm that the photo in THE NEW YORK TIMES (24 August 1965) did indeed have Levon and The Hawks in the background, as believed. I’m sure that there will be other photos from that day in a photo file somewhere or other. I wonder how to extricate these. I also got slightly better scans of the contemporary adverts for Tony Mart’s that summer and one of them had a publicity shot of Levon and the guys. The checkerboard-pattern flooring in that publicity photo looked very like an interior photo of Tony Mart’s seen on-line (but now can’t locate, though I’m sure I’ll find it again). Wouldn’t it be great to find more photos of The Hawks at Tony Mart’s that summer?
Brown Eyed Girl –in the UK, women only got the vote in 1918 and, even then, it was limited to women over 30 who met a property-owning criterion. It was another 10 years (1928) before the franchise was extended to all women over the age of 18 years – the same as for men at that time - I believe. I agree with much of what you wrote but would say two things by way of context. My mother had more opportunities in her life than her mother (my grandmother) and our daughter has had more than her mother (my wife). Progress may be too slow but there has been progress. The other is that, broadly speaking, women have fared better, based on the terms you have discussed, within western society than in many other societies. This does not excuse any unacceptable behaviours or attitudes women experience (suffer?) but it does provide some kind of context. Finally - I, for one, have much appreciated your contributions to this forum and, if have I ever repeated something you had already posted, it will only be because I pop in less frequently than I might otherwise wish and had failed to spot that it had been posted before - my failing, not yours. Keep on keeping on.
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NUXWeb: My link
Have ordered Testimony.Can't wait! My trigger finger procedure has kinda fixed my hand and playing guitar/gigs again.Also been involved in documentary on South African band "The Radio Rats" that has screened all over the world,it is called "Jiving and Dying" and was done on no budget.It really is a good look into the SA music scene in the 70's and 80's.Really amazing.Still listen to THE BAND everyday...they were the best,as good as it gets.Cheers!
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Peter VSubject: Testimonies …
On falling traffic … there wasn’t much to say for a long time. But now “Testimony” is laden with stuff that’s new. I’d love to know more, ask questions.
For example, they met up with Levon on March 19th 1966 when they played the Hollywood Bowl. It all leads to questions … Levon was established living in LA. The oil rig episode must have been very short. Did Levon come to see the show? We know they stayed in contact and knew where to phone him etc, which with someone moving around requires a constantly updated line of communication. No cell phones.
Then there’s rehearsing in NYC where they had a tape recorder … and recorded Tiny Tim. Did they record anything else?
Then there’s the old woman called Fanny who checked out all those (heavy) books for him. A tantalising one slipped in there, I thought.
People complain about name-dropping, but isn’t partying with Salvadore Dali of interest? Incidentally, I know people from two different bands who met him after their shows in Paris. Dali went to see bands.
Then there’s the link Solomon posted yesterday. Throughout, you can feel Robbie working hard to reproduce the sounds and words of the era On quoting Levon’s dad, asking if there were many (n-word) in Canada. To be fair, I don’t think the euphemism “N-word” existed in 1959. What would people have said? African-Americans? Years too early. I remember teaching a mixed English class of French-speaking West Africans and Germans and Swiss-Germans circa 1974. Totally unselfconsciously the German speakers referred to their African class mates as … well, the n-word (same in German) and in front of them. But it can’t have been the same weighted word for them. I was shocked and quick to advise them not to use it in English … and especially not to French speakers, where it also bears cultural weight.
I re-read the extract and thought Robbie was illustrating the language of the times, not portraying Diamond Helm (who he was clearly fond of) as a racist. It’s the old discussion … what do you do with “****** Jim” in Huckleberry Finn? Change it? Asterisk it? Leave it?
The issue came up with Enid Blyton's children's books in Britain, where she has golliwogs. New editions eradicate them, but if they do, they lose the original artwork. But though an important children's writer, Blyton is not Mark Twain by any stretch of the imagination. So what do you do to one of the greatest novels in the English language? The same question comes up with Shylock and Othello in Shakespeare, of course.
The counter argument is that writing now, you know the cultural weight, and might choose to avoid it. But take a film like “Selma” … say you were scripting it. Could you PC it and stay in the time frame?
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hasoLocation: Seacoast NH
Subject: Dylan & BEG
I'm glad you keep on keepin' on. I'm only into this GB for the last 4 or 5 years at most, but have certainly seen enough reference to unequal types of reactions to understand it can be tough sledding. Actually had to read through Jan's entire library before I even got to this tab. And I'll never be worth the commentary we get from Peter V, PSB and the like, or frankly willing to invest quite that much in this.
I think the tendency to not visit current musicalities is probably something many of the posters here struggle w/. Too easy, as we age to stay w/ what we know. As for my partner, she actually usu willingly goes to whatever, even buying tix for a local New England re-mount of TLW a couple of years back before telling me. She generally enjoys whatever it is, except maybe Asleep at the Wheel and (we agreed) an over-rated outfit called Vaud and the Villains; she simply admits to not being interested in music generally. As I've said on occasion, other than say Dire Straits, she sort of thought it all "went south" in '69 after "Let it Be". I did forswear anymore big-time (read: $$) rock 'n' roll shows after the Allman Bros 3 or 4 years ago in Boston doing all of "Eat a Peach". We both enjoyed it and the number of parents/kids combinations in the audience, but Gregg definitely needed to dial it back; however Tedeschi-Trucks still intrigues me for something live.
Between you tube and concert vault, there's plenty to occupy my time on this infernal machine.
The quotes on Dylan's song seem to capture it perfectly, a contradiction. One thing I find interesting is that I see it as copyrighted in 1965. Seems like BD was some prescient; not sure when the US took over from the French there in Indochina but '64-65 is pretty early in that colossal misadventure, I believe.
Keep going high.
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Jeff A.Web: My link
Subject: Something I read put me in mind of The Kinks. BTW, there's reunion talk.
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WallsendBEG, I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your mind. In fact it is a good thing. We should all constantly reconsider our opinions in light of new evidence and changing circumstances. Without down playing what you say about sexism at all, I think your experience on this GB is not unique to women. It isn't just women who have abandoned it. When Dylan's 66 live box set and Robbie's book came out I thought there would be a lot more discussion. I know Band fans are all getting old and we constantly repeat ourselves but I think lots of people just don't want to post any more.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Robbie Robertson on His Memoir & Why He's 'Not Interested in Oldchella'
"Besides your new album, what else are you working on now?
I'm finishing sending music to Martin Scorsese for Silence [his historical drama about Portuguese missionaries in seventeenth century Japan]. It's more of a soundscape: I have Portuguese hymns, written in the 1600s, played backward, with Japanese Taiko drums ripping them apart.
Are you ever planning to perform live again? In a business known for fake retirements, you said you wouldn't go back on the road after The Last Waltz and you've basically stuck to that.
That was a statement I was making, so I didn't want to say 'just kidding.' We [in the Band] had played the lowest places you could possibly play and we had played some of the biggest events in music history and it got to the point where I didn't know what else I could do besides do it as a business. I felt like I was in the same play every night, and I wanted to experiment. There are two TV series I'm working on right now – I'm a producer and a writer – and I'm involved in an artwork project. I'm not interested in 'Oldchella' – it's great that those guys can get paid wonderful amounts of money and celebrate the great music they made but my interests lie in different places."
KEVIN J...It's all good....I still dig you. I'm still a Robbiesonian but some of my opinions have changed. I'm entering a new decade on Sunday so I've earned the right to change my mind on things and not care whether anyone agrees with me or thinks I have anything meaningful to say. I finally feel comfortable in my own skin. What really bugs me is that mostly all the women have left this site except for Joan and Lisa. It was great to see Laura pop in but no one else has even popped by and I know that some check this site daily but only communicate by FB now.
I could post about something and no one responds or takes me seriously and then a poster with more clout....posts the very same thing and now all of a sudden it's news in the GB. Or someone doesn't like what I post or doesn't like me for whatever reason and then instead of ignoring my posts......They come in here and try and bully me by using demeaning language or they tell the GB oh don't welcome her back. I take breaks because i have to.......period. Anyway, I guess it's ironic that I go on about sexism when I'm still standing here and can take anyone on if I have to.
Remember Kevin it wasn't until 1913? that women received the vote, right so we weren't even considered as citizens or even people as men had all the rights. Women couldn't even get their own credit cards. Women who were privileged and attended University were seen as going to acquire their MRS....marriage......not degrees to have more choices in life. Women still in a lot of jobs and careers earn less than men for the same work because the assumption is that they will get married or live common-law and a man will take care of them. Surprise.....Most of the women in my last school were all the main breadwinners including myself. Some of the younger generation of women don't realize that we struggled for women's rights as did the women before us....Sure sex was now more easily available with less guilt but violence against women whether we experienced groping, abuse of many kinds......still exist and we're not a third or second world country! I'm actually more surprised when a woman shares that she's never experienced any kind of abuse.
Bob F...Lowry and DeRozan are all-stars but not superstars. They didn't even make the best 20 list. I think when DeRozan saw he was 46? He really upped his game. My beef with him and Lowry'game was too much isolation basketball. Lately they're passing the ball a bit more.....better results. Vince Carter was our only true superstar. Now in time.....maybe......Anyway, apparently Lebron worked in the gym extra time yesterday to get ready for playing against Toronto......as Toronto is a good team but we have to beat the Cavs......Last year we did beat them twice in Toronto in the playoffs. Most of the plays are set up for both of them to make the most shots; that's also one reason they usually lead in points. As Casey has said it's not even in their DNA to share the ball as much as better teams. I do see every game unless I have to be out for something really important like Steve Earle's concert so I guess basketball and music.....really bring joy to my life too. Music connection....Kyrie Irving used to date Kehlani. Oh and I guess you knew that it was actually a Canadian who invented the game of basketball...... :-D
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Bob FWeb: My link
Subject: John Donabie's Mixed Bag
John D's Mixed Bag on John Lennon is now up and linked. It's starts out with interview John did with Lennon when Walls & Bridges was coming out. Lennon is so relaxed and John D's questions are great. It's really a wonderful radio show. Everyone should check it out. So many beautiful remembrances. Best radio show on the planet.
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Kevin JSubject: Help me to a Rock n Roll Fornicatorium, please !
Thank you, Rod…Understood…. And BEG, always love your energy. Music always helps and I find myself since the election – quite simply not being able to consume any political news/reporting at all. NONE. Too upsetting. It is almost like nothing matters anymore. Feminism – what did it mean. First black President and hoped for progress. Absolutely nothing at all. Fake news and the most powerful people in the world not only being ok with it but actively promoting it.
I really wish Robbie memoire part 2 was already ready…….I could take the next 4 years reading just about his legendary “ Rock-and-roll fornicatorium” while serving as guest at the Toronto International Film Festival.
Bill M: Agree……and not just mid-career but also late career as “How To Become Clairvoyant” songs “She’s Not Mine” and especially “’Won’t be Back” almost scream out as being made for Richard.
Great to see Calvin back.
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A recent interview with John Simon. John doesn't seem to be all that aware of what was involved in the filming even now.
Barbara Jacobs comments are hilarious: “At least he could have brought a box of assorted Danish and cookies, for the nurses’ station.”
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LisaRe Richard Johnson - consider the source. Page Six, really??
The Michael Chapman clip was fascinating. I always knew Scorsese was meticulous in his planning, but with the lack of time it's amazing how everything was crunched to the finest detail, right down to "page turners" for the camera men. And how when MGM saw the footage they provided the $$ for the songs filmed on the set, which are so atmospheric and lovely.
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SolomonWeb: My link
Subject: Fans upset Robbie Robertson bashes former bandmate in book
I was looking for Robbie stuff and came across this - His widow Sandy and daughter, Amy, have kept mum, but family friend Barbara Jacobs told me that there is no reason Robertson had to quote Helm’s father using the N-word at his dinner table in Arkansas or to quote Levon sounding anti-Semitic.
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SolomonWeb: My link
Robbie was recently a guest on the The Writer's Block with David Fricke.
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CalvinAs a Warriors fan living in Northeast Ohio, the last few years have been very interesting as a Basketball fan.
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Bob FSubject: I'm With You Jed!
Jed, I couldn't agree with you more. Basketball is everything. I got a few hours of work yet but I'm already thinking about tonights game. Tomorrow we get another shot at King James and his Court. Knicks forever!
BEG, Lowry and DeRozan are superstars. I'm always reading about the great work DeRozan does for kids in Toronto. That is a special player and person. If you don't want him please start a campaign to have him traded to New York.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
December 6 is St. Nick's Day. It was the day relatives would visit as my Grandpa and brother's name is Nicolas. Only time smoke was in the house too.
December 6 is also a day for all of us to remember......
"On this day in 1989, 14 women were shot and killed at the engineering school by a gunman professing to hate feminists."
Words can be used like weapons too.
"Men and boys are a vital part of the solution to change attitudes and behaviours that allow for this violence to exist. There must be zero tolerance for violence against women, and only with everyone's support can we build a Canada that is safe for all," he said.
Trudeau said all Canadians should use this day, which is also the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women, to "reflect on what Canadians — women, men, and youth — can do to rid the country and the planet of the scourges of misogyny and gender-based violence."
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VHS transfer from the TV broadcast of Rock Am Ring Festival 1986 by The Waterboys
1. Maggies Farm 2. Whole Of The Moon 3. Meet Me At The Station 4. Interview Mike Scott
Cars and Music:
haso...I had Dylan's book of lyrics and it was at that time I actually looked up his songs about moi. I think I first heard Joan Baez sing it. I was intrigued at the time as it was the first time I saw my name in a song or book and at that time I always felt different as my name wasn't Mary, Jane, Sue, etc. I didn't even know until a few years ago that I was named after one of my Dad's sisters who passed while a teenager....Evangelia. My mother had told me that the name just came to her. :-D After I found out Dylan was the writer; I honoured my name. My family name is different again. I think I heard that the song was really about war....Vietnam.....as The Guess Who's American Woman was not about an American woman but about America and the war machine. Anyway, I found this perspective about the song online.
"Indeed, Farewell Angelina is a contradiction. A gentle love song that seems turn into a critique on terrorism – considered as part of Bringing it all Back Home when the recording sessions began. As such it would have been the perfect half-way house between Love Minus Zero and Gates of Eden, for its theme is once more, nothing is what it seems. From “My love she speaks like silence” to Eden being anything but heaven."
As for any sexism in Robbie's book; of course as a woman I would probably react differently then some of the posters here. I'd say it wasn't until mid-seventies that I was exposed to feminism which really means recognizing that women as a social group are oppressed. Sure things have changed compared to my Mom's generation but still......even in this GB I have had to deal with it but I never ran away from it. Sometimes my attitude was when they go low....I go or get high.....lol....Other times I called them out....or I just keep posting as I like to share the music that I love and I like to express my thoughts and feelings and ideas. Every once in awhile I "meet" cool people like you haso.....and many others. As I've said before when I met Pretty Little Girl from Europe and in Toronto......She couldn't believe that I still posted in a sexist GB. I guess I'm still crazy after all these years.
Good for you that you were able to get your partner on board with at least the blues. My partner is just as stubborn as I am so we give a listen to each other's music but if we don't like it we don't even.....Well I do.....When imagezulu wanted us to check out Roy Hargrove.....I knew nothing about him. I loved his trumpet playing and kept thinking how cool is this.....A young jazz player who's turning on a younger generation of music fans.......Oh I forgot....my partner did go to Simcoe with me for Rick Danko's tribute. Ugh!!!!! He said he had a headache during the whole show and was not a happy camper. After that fiasco I decided to see artists without him. We did however see Buddy Guy, Third World and BARK and Garth and Maud for TLW Tribute and The Weber Brothers but that's about it! So I really envy those of you here who have partners that will either tag along or get turned on by the music you cherish. On the plus side for myself....I am slowly learning about jazz.....like now I'll say can we listen to Ben Webster. Other times I have to yell at him and say, "Get over it. Muddy and Miles are no longer here for us to see at a Club; you have to give the younger musicians a chance!"
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JedSubject: More Hoops
I saw the Cavs beat the Raptors-Lebron had a monster game.The highlight last night was watching Golden State & their tremendous & historic offense.And,Klay scored 60,40 in the 1rst half & the team had 80 at the half! WOW! Tonight my Knicks play the heat.A band & a team-all the same & each capable of beautiful music or self destruction.
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Basketball is life & life is basketball.And,music & basketball are eternally one.
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Calvin, who is still alive though rarely posts anymoreRichie Furay carried the Buffalo Springfield way of crediting songwriting on to Poco Bill M. I heard an interview with Paul Cotton and Rusty Young saying they have songwriting credits and residuals that they really have no business having But that Furay made sure everyone was taken care of.
The one reason I have little problem with Robbie not "sharing" Songwriting credits is nobody else did either. You cant criticize Robbie without explaining why it was OK for Richard to do the same.
I try to stay away from it really as it detracts a bit from the music for me.
As for Robbie's middle period having a sense of "He wrote that with Richard in mind", it makes sense that after a decade or so of intensive writing for this or that person, his initial steps without out them would still have that mindset within your writing.
And on a personal note, even though I don't post on here like I did from 2001-2008 it's still nice to know many of you are still here and this place still thrives.
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John DSubject: Beg
Yes Beg, I sent it a few weeks back. When I send something to Jan it ends up in his junk folder. He may have found it there. Thanks for asking. Had a nice brief chat on Facebook yesterday with Sebastian. His production of A of M sides 3-4 was brilliant.
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Peter VWeb: My link
I drive an automatic, and also my son’s manual … he’s in China, but I try and keep his car alive, even though it’s 16 years old. I use it whenever I go to secondhand record stores for instance, hoping they’ll relax the pricing if they see my ancient transport. Yes, on a steep hill or snow, I’d paddle shift on the automatic, but you can judge whether you’re going to catch a red light or not and just cruise up to it. A stop sign you’re going to have to stop. I get good tyre wear too … my dad, selling tyres, always loved to see harsh and sudden braking.
I was rear-ended in the 1970s by a Renault 16 that had been taildragging at two feet and was surprised when I stopped at a roundabout. I had a 1953 Humber Super Snipe, full chassis, 4.1 litre engine. I didn’t have a discernible scratch, while the Renault had a burst radiator emitting steam like a geyser.
The link is to a personal car history page that I started. The Humber is the only car on it, but it is beautiful. As were Mrs V and I, also pictured.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Warning...Serious post today.
ROBBIE ROBERTSON: 5 ICONIC FASHION STATEMENTS
Jed...Since you're living in NY, I was surprised that you wanted to catch the Cavs and The Raps but then so far best two teams in the eastern conference. Again......so close but no win. We don't have any superstars whereas they have The King and Kyrie Irving.....and Love. I had no idea until recently that Kevin Love is the nephew of Beach Boys Mike Love. I watch all the post game interviews after each game. I'm just as passionate about basketball and baseball as I am about music....well....maybe music more so......and in the past up until Doug Gilmour days with hockey. Btw, with basketball I did not watch for years but I do remember Kareem Abdul Jabar as a young fan and Nate (Tiny) Archibald and It's "Miller Time"......Reggie Miller. Music connection Grant Hill married Canadian singer Tamia.
I found online that besides Toronto's Drake......although most players listen to rap and hip hop.....For example Patrick Patterson who I think is probably the most articulate player on Toronto and probably any team when talking about the game of basketball......His choice of music is the most eclectic.....so he'd be my kindred spirit for sure.
"Patrick Paterson who you could call the Raptors' pop culture connoisseur, also has a very diverse taste in music. From Motown, 90's R&B, today's popular rap/hip hop and even classic rock like Nirvana, 2Pat listens to it all. And by far the best choice, when going against the NBA's elite, Pat goes to the sweet, sensual pipes of the one and only Barry White."
Lisa...Hope Robbie shares a few different stories then the ones he's been telling so far. Also, really hope you encounter good weather!!
John D...Did you send the photo? Everyone has to see that one!!! Did you make a poster of that photo with Levon, your partner and yourself!!
Up next haso who always shares thoughtful posts. Thank you!
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Bill MKevin J: My sense is that much of Robbie's "middle-period" material (including "Out Of The Blue", "Between Trains" and a healthy percentage of the first solo LP) was written with Richard mind - whether realistically, hopefully or wistfully.
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bassmanleeLocation: DE, USA
Subject: Driving habits
Peter, I agree 100%. Unfortunately after 25 years of driving 'stick' (as we call manual over here) I finally succumbed to automatic and AWD (Subaru). Although there are paddle shifters, they are seldom used. Manuals are all but non-existent in the American market. BUT anyone can just take their foot off the pedal when the signal ahead is red or idle through backups, keeping an actual stopping distance from the vehicle ahead. This is not the style, sad to say, even for Mrs. Lee, who is of the "one pedal or the other" school, despite cutting her driving teeth in VW Bugs. This means a sudden stop, rattling the passenger (me) and maybe the reason she has been rear-ended three times in the last year and a half, although she claims she was completely stopped at the time, and all drivers were phone-engaged. Luckily she also has a Subaru and damage was minimal. (The guy with the Mitsubishi sports car who rammed his nose under her bumper was not so lucky!)
The other thing I was taught in driving class was that when making a turn onto a multi-lane street, you go to the closest lane, THEN merge over to the other lane(s). This is also no longer the norm. Just dive directly over to the lane you want. I have seen police cars doing just that.
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WallsendWeb: My link
Michael Chapman talking about filming TLW.
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RodNot disagreeing with you Kevin J. I was just being diplomatic.
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Kevin J"Robbie was the brains behind the outfitt" - according to John Simon though that "doesn't have any baring on the songwriting issues" some might think.......other than the fact that John Simon also stated in 1999:
" Robbie was the one who wrote the lyrics and wrote the music. Wrote the lyrics on legal paper, or whatever he wrote it on, and figured out the chords to the song and dictated the melody and chords to the other players."
......and then there was just dictating exactly how Music From Big Pink would roll out and sound........the writing of the masterpieces on the Brown Album......the undisputed writing of "The Shape I'm In" for Richard, "It Makes No Difference" for Rick, "Out of The Blue" for himself, Acadian Driftwood" for The Band and Canada and the idea and production of The Last Waltz which is the single biggest reason that there is any The Band legacy at all..........ahhh, but more than all that and more than splitting his publishing equally ( during the life of The Band ) he really had a "moral" obligation to take care of his brothers for life. I don't accept that. At 33 and starting a new life, Robbie's obligation was to his 2 daughters and son.....and by all evidence he did a wonderful job of that....That's what counts.......and by the way, based on everything I have seen and heard from Amy Helm, Levon and Libby and family did a great job as well in helping to shape a wonderful person in Amy. Beautiful spirit.
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RodAt the resent TLW NZ 40 John Simon did say that Robbie was "the brains of the outfit". Doesn't have any baring on the song writing issue but there are plenty of comments along those lines from people who were involved with The Band.
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Bill MRe credits, I too recall a John Simon quote posted year years ago in which he seemed to be saying that Robbie should have gone with the new system (the in-the-room one). I recall thinking, yeah, well John Simon was in the room so is hardly a disinterested observer. Maybe what was posted back then was a cleverly massaged version of the long paragraph in the Gabites interview.
Kevin J: Before Big Pink, I believe that Springalo Tunes was set up to provide equal shares to all, including the non-writing members of Buffalo Springfield.
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Peter VLast time I had my brake pads changed, I grumbled slightly. "You get nearly twice as much mileage out of a set of pads as most drivers," said my car mechanic. Yes,, because I use the gears!
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LisaHa, good for you, Peter. Years ago I braked not even really hard at about 30mph to avoid going through a yellow light (with a carful of kids) and my car slewed entirely sideways into the next lane. Just wet streets, not even snowing. Fortunately there was nobody in the lane next to me, but it was hair-raising to say the least, and taught me a useful lesson.
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Peter VSubject: A little more …
"I'm a police driving instructor,' said the police guy, "Are you telling me that you know how to slow down on snow better than me?"
"Apparently so," I said.
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Peter VSubject: To get away from all that snow
My kids all drive up to a junction or traffic light and bang their foot hard on the brake. I was on a Driver Awareness course (for driving at 44 mph in a 40 mph limit on a deserted dry well lit road at 1 a.m. - caught by a fuc*ing camera). Apparently last second braking is now considered the correct way to drive by driving instructors. Brake hard when you get to the junction. I had pointed out that I had been taught to change down through the gears and never brake harshly. "Wrong!" said the police instructor.
"Wait until it snows," I muttered, "All these kids will be sliding around crashing into each other."
"It rarely snows here," said the police guy.
"Ah," I replied, "Rarely is not the same as 'Never'. Just wait until it does."
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Peter VWeb: My link
John Simon would have to side with Robbie on that one (as I do myself). Watching The Manfreds performing their version of My Name Is Jack by John Simon on Friday, I note that he will enjoy undivided royalties on the new version of the track on their recent "Live Four Three Two One" double CD.
Link to original video which was being projected above them as they performed it last Friday. Yes, Mike D'Abo was singing directly below his 50 year younger self. That takes courage.
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LisaSubject: Robbie evening
Hi beg, it's tomorrow night in Vancouver at lovely old Christ Church Cathedral, and I'll be sure to report in.
But it's snowing in Vancouver - only those who have experienced the incredible mess this makes of already terrible traffic conditions in this city can truly appreciate what I'm saying here. I know, I know, we're a bunch of wussies when it comes to snow, laughingstock of the rest of snowy Canada, but there you are ...
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Kevin J...I never said thet Robbie didn't write most of the songs. I never said that they should have equal royalties.....I was suggesting more. If you check out these two articles it looks like John Simon has changed his mind too. If I can find the article where Simon implied that Robbie may have been morally wrong....I'll post it.
The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth
Lee Gabites: "What's your take on the way the songwriting credits came down?
John Simon: "Oh, I have a finely honed opinion on that. Robbie Robertson says that he tried to get Richard involved and he was also fair when it came to giving credit to whoever was in the room at the time of writing. Robbie was fair, yes indeed. Robbie was fair based on an old system. I don't know if you have the new math in England. Mathematics. It's like two different systems, the old math and the new one. The old system of contributing songwriting credits was very distinct - there were people who wrote songs and people who performed songs. And they were different people. You know, Frank Sinatra on very few occasions wrote a song, he was the singer. Sammy Cahn and Johnny Mercer were the writers and not the performers. So, that kind of thing. Like the Gershwins and the Rogers & Hart. All of those people were just songwriters. And that's the system under which Robbie determined that he would be songwriter of those songs. And its true, Robbie was the one who wrote the lyrics and wrote the music. Wrote the lyrics on legal paper, or whatever he wrote it on, and figured out the chords to the song and dictated the melody and chords to the other players. Okay. But in the new system you'll see that when a song is written its a much more co-operative thing in a band. You'll see five or six writers on a song that'll say, on a band song on an album, it'll list everybody who's in the band on the song, you know. And you know that, or you may suspect that the bass player and the drummer or somebody - the keyboard player, one of them just had nothing to do with the song. But they're on it because its a sort of democracy and they just happend to be around. Or the band decided ahead of time that that's the way its going to be. Sort of like the Lennon and McCartney deal when they never really divided... Well, 27% of this song is yours and 73% of it is mine. They all just say Lennon & McCartney and you can only figure out by the style of the song who wrote it. So, Robbie was working in the old system. And he's absolutley right in working with the old system. Levon is pissed about that and wishes that Robbie had been working in the new system. But if they hadn't agreed on that ahead of time, you know.
Lee Gabites: There's an argument against though.
John Simon: Yeah, but on the other hand a good deal of the inspiration on the songs that Robbie wrote came from Levon's personal experience.
Lee Gabites: A lot of them were his stories.
John Simon: Yes. Exactly. So if Robbie had been... It was Robbie's option."
JANUARY 29, 2014
"Simon, so intimately involved in the genesis of the Band, has a unique perspective. He says he was “not surprised” that the debate erupted, since “Robbie was working on the old Rodgers and Hart, ASCAP model.” By that, Simon means: “The writer is the writer. Levon was seeing other bands with less talented writers taking group credit for a cobbled-together song.”
In the end, however, Simon says: “I side with Robbie on that one.”
Up next time haso and Jed whether Kevin J or anyone else posts to me or not. ;-D Sorry but I can't post anymore today. I actually do have a life.....small but I do have one.
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Kevin JBEG: The Band were different from almost all of the other big bands of their era in that all publishing was shared equally - 20% to each of the 5 guys. The old system you seem to be referring to (like The Who or Stones ) would have had the writers keeping all of their publishing........Surely, you are not suggesting that the writers should have also given away 80% of their songs ! That would have been madness.
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Kevin from NE PAWeb: My link
Subject: Tony Mart's
And another section from their site. A page of 'Stories'. Page down to see a comment about Levon and The Hawks.
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Kevin from NE PAWeb: My link
Subject: Tony Marts
Not sure there are any pics of the Hawks performing but Tony Marts does have this page on their website.
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JedSubject: BEG-Game Tonight
The Cavs play the Raptors in Toronto tonight-I plan to be tuning in on my NBA League pass!
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JedSubject: Bob F-NBA schedule
The scheduling problem exists not only for the Knicks.The league plans to start the season earlier next year,I believe,which might help alleviate some but not all of these scheduling problems.Knicks have played very well lately-I thought I'd read somewhere that Levon and Dylan were basketball people?
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Toronto Raptors already played Cleveland and Golden State back to back and we were real close......but couldn't close out the last quarter. What's up with EPSN and only showing American teams' points? I know....American.
Tue, Nov 15
Wed, Nov 16
Looking forward to Lisa's report from talk with Robbie in Victoria.
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Peter VSongwriting is different. Artists get aid for performing and recording separately. I got a "Moog hits" LP the other day … The Weight is on there. No drums. No voices. No bass. Still "The Weight". RR would have earned a royalty on it. The others wouldn't. But they didn't provide anything to it either.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Bob F...Yes there was another solo recording from 1997 Still Burning. The more I listen now to Mike Scott and The Waterboys......He truly is a gifted songwriter. I don't have any books on his life but I did read online that he did attend University for a year and studied English Literature (like Louuu) and philosophy. We're about the same age so his music always resonates as in some sense we grew up together. The one CD I wouldn't recommend as it's the weakest of all of them in my opinion is.......Dream Harder 1993. A few good songs but generally I felt like he was obligated to put out another record.
Many thanks to Nomadic Mike who sent this photo to me via of one of his daughters. I also ended up finding this photo with info re Robbie's twitter which I visited for the first time. Scroll down for photo.
Robbie Robertson Retweeted
Wallsend...Maybe I used the wrong word re inconsistencies with Robbie but what I was referring to was his constant blah, blah, blah about all the Band members being brothers and how amazing all of them are in their own right and yet in the end who benefitted the most financially and had the luxury to not tour?......Robbie because of the old system of royalties and songwriters. Should it have been equal? Maybe, maybe not. Surely however the rest of The Band members should have benefitted more as three of them sang all the songs except two? Garth was their secret ingredient in their musical gumbo. Now if the remaining Band members had financial issues in how they managed their money in general then the same issues would have come up.....but they still would have been able to choose not to tour if so desired. I don't totally buy that they toured because they looooved to perform but simply.....had to. Old issues but my opinion has changed and it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind, right. ;-D
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Bob FSubject: It's Just Not Fair
The Knicks have to play Cleveland Wednesday at The Garden after playing in Miami the night before. No team should have to play Cleveland or Golden State on the back end of back-back games. It's just not fair.
Band connection for the non NBA GB folks. The game is at Madison Square Garden. Back in 1975 Robbie joined Dylan and The Rolling Thunder Review for The Night Of The Hurricane on December 8 at MSG. That works.
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Bob FWeb: My link
Subject: Long Way To The Light
Mike Scott's two solo records have many great songs. Long Way To The Light being my favorite. He played at The Bearsville Cafe one year during a blizzard. Only a handful of people were crazy enough to make the journey. When he did this song it was all worth it.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
The Band’s Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm’s daughter come to Marin
In his book, “This Wheel’s on Fire,” Helm contended that the songs were a group effort, honed and recorded in collaboration with the other members of the band — Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Garth Hudson. Only Robertson and Hudson are still living.
That issue didn’t come up during Robertson’s Dominican talk, and neither did the heroin addictions, alcoholism and drug abuse that forced the Band off the road. Robertson writes about it extensively in “Testimony.”
I asked Amy Helm about that, whether her dad and his onetime buddy made up before her father’s death.
“I think that they would have patched it up,” she says. “They were very close, but every relationship has its own circumstances.”
Wallsend, Kevin J and haso...I will try and respond next time. Many thanks for your feedback. :-D
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RodStill enjoying Testimony and have just made it to the pre-Big Pink days with Levon's return. My only criticism would be that apart from Levon the guys in The Band mostly get bit parts - often just mentioned together in the odd paragraph here and there. That might all change in the 2nd half though.
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Kevin JSubject: Robbie Robertson on Standing Rock - Not just a name drop, folks
"This is a glorious outcome for Native Peoples of North America. May justice reign, may respect and decency rise. Please let this be a major breakthrough for the First Nations of this continent and the long overdue fairness and appreciation deserved.
Blessings to the brave water protectors who stood up for the people of Standing Rock and fought off the greed and mistreatment of big business.
Niawen 'ko:wa -RR"
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hasoLocation: Seacoast NH
BEG: Wallsend's comments resonate, but yours too. I went to see RR in Cambridge, MA last month, then plowed right through the book. Good, yet I'm afraid I need to take it slower ala Peter V, the 2nd time. Not at all a bad idea to read Bruce 1st; he's a good deal more revealing about his own thoughts as he goes along. You are dead-on about RR as a name-dropper, and I think from the same rationale you speak to. Yet, all this said, RR makes it clear to anyone listening, or reading, that his main effort is to put the reader into the scene AT THE TIME he was there. Is that what they call cinema verite? He definitely captures the sense of the time. And, no offense to Bruce, but w/ RR about 10 years earlier to the game, he's got an amazing number of names worth dropping. Plus, he's just a different kettle of fish than Bruce and, I dare say the Band a lot different than E-St. Robbie's clearly always been a glass 1/2-full sort of gentleman, irregardless to the RR-Levon contretemps. There's no doubt he saw LH as his big brother, pretty much still.
And after Hoskyn's Woodstock small town deal, RR can't hold a candle in pretty gratuitous name-dropping.
On women, most everybody had a long way to go in 1967 seems to me from anything written about the time, or that I recall. Or '69 or '73... it started to improve a bit. But as the woman I met just about then, soph year in college and am still w/, would say: I'm the wrong gender to probably judge this conversation. That is, if she had much more than a passing interest in our boys. Not likely; she was all about the British: the Beatles, Yes and so-on. Fortunately I did convert her into enjoying the blues, 3 trips or more to see B.B., an example.
On an older note, Angie: I re-listened to the Rani Arbo version of "Farewell [you]" that I suggested to you and you might be right about Dylan writing about Vietnam. I didn't hear that at all until you gleaned that; that being the case, in someways Rani's treatment of the song is pretty counter-intuitive to it's message.
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Jeff A.Trump just brokered a deal for Obama & The Corp pf Army Engineers to refuse the easement for the DAPL.Victory Tour to follow.
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Kevin JBEG: With respect, maybe best that you read the book before offering all kinds of wild speculation and name calling......and perhaps just my own experience but the biggest name droppers I have known have all been from very priviliaged backgrounds.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Mike Scott Solo
When his first solo CD came out I bought it without hesitation. I was really disappointed and really only enjoyed song linked. Since I'm much older now I will relisten if I still have it.
"Scott currently lives in Dublin. Scott is the former partner of the singer Camille O'Sullivan, with whom he has a daughter, Lila-Elodie. In October 2016, Scott married controversial Japanese artist Megumi Igarashi, who calls herself Rokudenashiko. They are expecting their first child together in February 2017."
Wallsend...The only thing I knew about Robbie and for instance Carly Simon....was that he left her waiting for him on a supposed date and then she got the message. If true, not cool at all.....coward. If Robbie spills the beans about the women he had sex with and only refers to them as toys......when actually some of them were musicians or artists in the their own right.....I've always noticed that he's a big name dropper but not surprising since he didn't come from well connected circumstances....Anyway, I will not be a happy camper. In one article he said that some things were nobody's business so......why now brag about his dalliances? I'm not sure if I'll begin his Testimony this month......maybe I'll read Born To Run first. I'm very hard on people I really drawn to or who inspire me as heroes do.....idols do not. I'm hard on others btw because I'm very hard on myself unfortunately...... ;-D
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John DSubject: Mike Scott
Would this be the same Mike Scott who was once the lead singer of The Waterboys; before going solo; in the 90's?
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WallsendA good review. It is an interesting question as to whether some of Robbie's statements are intended as a direct rebuttal of what Levon wrote. I think they are although it is done in a fairly subtle style.
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Kevin JWeb: My link
Subject: New Tork Times - Testimony
A second major review of Testmony in The New York Times in two weeks. The world's greatest newspaper demonstrates why. Worth reading, BEG.......and love that photo of The Hawks ( with credit, no less )
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WallsendBEG, Testimony is great and you should definitely read it. Robbie has his faults but don't we all. I thought he has been fairly consistent over the years. A lot of the reviewers don't know enough about The Band to be able to offer an informed opinion. Robbie seems to have left a lot of the sordid details of their lifestyles out and only focused on how the drug taking impacted on their professional relationship. As for his predatory and sexist attitude towards women, I think that is the way people thought back then. A lot of people still think like that. Not my cup of tea.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Some wake up to coffee; I wake up to music.
Probably most known song The Pan Within. It was at my brother's place however that I heard the live Because The Night/The Pan Within and immediately said, "I'm taking that CD home to burn that song!!!!!" I'm always listening on my Nano to this song as it just energizes me......I've linked only The Pan Within just so I can enjoy them fully......as I can't find a video of the double track but there is audio to be found for those interested.
Long Live Mike Scott!!!!!!
Long Live Steve Wickham!!!!!!
Everyday is like Sunday. Enjoy!
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Red Army Blues...The Waterboys with Karl Wallinger and Anthony Thistlethwaite.
I can't remember whether my brother discovered them first or not but it was during their album....A Pagan Place and then The Waterboys and so on......I just discovered that it was in 2000 that I saw The Waterboys at the same Club I recently saw Steve Earle but name of Club changed from The Diamond to The Phoenix.....One of the few ways we bonded was via of music....Mink DeVille was another group as well as Roxy Music and Bowie and Louuu.
I saw these bands as part of my growing up as it was our time musically......I saw these artists as loved by a smaller group of music fans who loved their musicians with a passion....almost cult like as they weren't commercial......I was never into the scene.....but I was always into music since the time The Beatles had arrived and as very young children we'd see their films in the local Theatre.......My brother's time was more Woodstock because he was older but through him I could live vicariously through the 8-tracks he bought such as Woodstock, Free, Roxy Music, Bowie, Louuu......
As for Robbe's book I still haven't read it. I'm not sure why really. I continue to post positive and negative reviews or comments as I've always shared what others have said about The Band......Selections don't necessarily reflect what I think. At first I was only critical of Robbie in relation to his acting and even sometimes I would cringe when his voice wasn't strong.....but generally.....love his voice....singing and/or talking.....Now I do see some inconsistencies so I'm more critical......However, as a musician.....He's still the one......as far as guitar playing and songwriting and having a business acumen......
I did learn in University that we all have biases and need to make them clear when we discuss what we actually think......If you think you don't have a bias you're either dishonest or unaware of them. Yup.....I learned all this in University and I'm sticking to it.
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Edie Sedgwick & Nico in Mary Jane by Janis Joplin...Oh yeah, and Dylan too.
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Subject: The Herald's Review of Testimony
Here is the Herald's(Scotland's Glasgow based national paper) review of Testimony.
Normally like this guy's writing, but didn't like the review. (I've not read book yet.)
I think the Band are seen from a Dylan perspective. You know - aren't these the guys who played with Dylan. Which I really don't like.
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A bit of the Paris press conference Bob gave in 1966 that Robbie writes about.
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Peter VBill, I blame the entire state of the wild, I mean weald, or world on auocorrect. I can only think that Donald Duck … I typed Donald Thump … was crated … or created by autocorrect. Only arthurcollect could imagine a cartoon as precedent … president.
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JTLocation: Victoria and Toronto intermittently
Subject: Mike Scott
Under the radar for me until 2 years ago...what a talent
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Kevin JJT: During Robbie's re-emergence into the music scene in 1987 after having not been heard from in over a decade....I remember well that in so many of the radio interviews on Montteal and Toronto stations that he would always sing the praises of Mike Scott....."well, there's this guy Mike Scott" he would say when asked by a DJ if anything current interested him....
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JTLocation: Victoria and Toronto intermittently
Subject: Dirty basic
Great blues album by Rolling Stones. An infusion of dirty basic.
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Bill MPeter V: "Social guts" - a lovely turn of phrase. Will you be blaming it on autocorrect again?
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Subject: The Manfreds, with P.P. Arnold & Zoot Money
Review linked. Three of my favourite artistes all on the same show: The Manfreds (with both Paul Jones AND Mike d'Abo) plus social guts P.P. Arnold and Zoot Money. Really the best of the British rock scene 1964-69 in one place!
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Subject: " I Wish You Were Here Tonight" !986 with Richard
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JTSubject: Testimony, autobiography, Waterboys, post-Thanksgiving music by musicians
I agree with Ian that the word 'testimony' connotes a personal account. The word 'autobiography' has 'auto' in it and also comes from the individual as he/she saw it.
As for the Waterboys, we were blown away when we saw them in Victoria. We wondered how we had missed this huge talented group of musicians in the 80s and now have purchased all their previous work and they get a lot of play. We look forward to the next work. If it is anything like the last one, it will again be a work of precision and art.
Finally, I have been going back and listening to some of the post 'BandwithoutRobbie' concerts and they are great. What that reminds me of eloquently is the huge talents that existed in each and every one of these musicians. There is a lot out there to pick from and as I have said before, the concert at Convocation Hall at UofT when Colin Linden and Richard Bell played with them is one of my all time favourite concerts.
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Ian WSubject: That Portland Mercury review of TESTIMONY
Robert Ham, in that PORTLAND MERCURY review of JRR’s book, may be a journalist but he lacks a basic grasp of the meaning of words. He concludes by describing the book as a “one-sided testimony”, failing to recognise that, by definition, a “testimony” is the view of the person who is attesting. The book is not a history of The Band, nor a true autobiography, but a statement of how JRR saw, or sees, certain events in his life. That’s all. The title of the book is the giveaway!
JRR has presented his witness statement (written not oral, and with no chance to “cross-examine” the witness in person) and, in the light of this and other evidence (established factual information, the statements of others directly involved, our understanding of how the music business was run in those days and our knowledge of the milieu within which the individuals involved found themselves), the reader may arrive at his or her own conclusion.
That’s the way I see it anyway.
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"A while ago this book would have been called SUNSHINE FOR NAPOLEON, and earlier still it would
have been called WALLS FOR GENGHIS KHAN"
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"Nico was not a great singer but this is one of her best songs. Written by singer-songwriter Jackson Browne who was once romantically involved with her. Quite beautiful in its vocal imperfection. If she could sing like Streisand, Adele or Taylor Swift -- it wouldn't have any impact, no strength or viable meaning. Nico had her moments...ah, but what moments they were."
Jackson Browne: "The man who epitomized the 1970s Southern Californian singer-songwriter genre is one of the least likely guys you'd associate with the Velvet Underground in their prime. Yet in early 1967, the still-teenaged and unsigned Browne was for a brief period not only Nico's guitarist and supporting act for weeks during her long-running stint at the Dom club in New York, but also her boyfriend. Still technically in the Velvet Underground at that point, Nico began to record her debut solo album, Chelsea Girl, early that spring, which included three songs that Browne wrote or co-wrote, Jackson also helping out on guitar. After the session on which he played, he went with Lou Reed to see the Murray the K Show rock revue in New York, which featured Cream, the Blues Project, Jim and Jean, and Wilson Pickett."
Leonard Cohen: "Infatuated with Nico in the late 1960s, he saw many of her early solo appearances. Nico is reported to have been at least part of the inspiration for his songs "Memories," "Take This Longing," and "Joan of Arc." Cohen also met Lou Reed around this time, and was pleasantly surprised to find that Lou already had a collection of his poems, Flowers to Hitler, that had yet to be published in the United States. Reed asked Leonard to sign his copy, and also played some of his own songs to Cohen, who liked them very much."
Robbie Robertson: The future Band guitarist, then recently enlisted to be (with other future Band members) part of Bob Dylan's backup group, checked out the then-unknown Velvet Underground in late 1965 at the behest of the group's manager of sorts at the time, Al Aronowitz. Robertson, never one for far-out sounds, left after just one song, exclaiming to Aronowitz, "I can't take no more a [sic] this!"
Ha, ha, ha Robbie! Louuuu got you to see his band. It was never about the guitar playing. Ha, ha, ha! ;-D
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Bill MWow - that handshake sure changed Nico! No wonder Robbie included it in "Testimony".
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FredKevin: I wasn't too iimpressed with Hamilton's race tactic, I understand it but I wasn't impressed by it. I think Nico did the right thing. I'm sure in the back of his mind was the thought of getting out-raced by his teammate in 2017 and never hearing the end of it in the press. Better to go out on top then!
Has anyone picked up the new Stones CD? I heard some of it, and I must say I never new Mr. Jagger could play the harmonica that well.
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Bill MLocation: Tronno
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The link is to a newspaper article about a new documentary called "Rumble: The Indians Who Rocked the World", one of whom is Robbie Robertson. Others mentioned include Jimi Hendrix, Charlie Patton and Link Wray, whose big hit was a guitar-led instrumental called "Rumble". As I've said here before, "Rumble" led to "Tremble" by Jerry Warren and the Tremblers, the main Hawks farm team of the early '60s. The following passed through the lineup before or after being Hawks or having been close associates of Hawkins and the Hawks: Stan Szelest, Rebel Paine, Sandy Konikoff, Scott Cushnie, Peter Traynor, Zeke Sheppard, Bob MacEachern ...
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Kevin JWeb: My link
LINKED: Book review Testimony - The Seatle Times.
Fred: Well, Hamilton at least made the race more interesting than it otherwise would have been ! Nico Rosberg made a surprise announcement today that he is retiring - immediately. Wouldn't have been easy being teamed with someone as quick and ruthless as Lewis.
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WallsendThere is a reasonable amount on John Simon. Robbie fully acknowledges his contribution.
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Just one more from The Waterboys!
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Bob F...Long Live The Waterboys! :-D
Long Live Singer-Songwriters!
Let's Go Toronto Raptors!
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IgnatiusLocation: Pac NW US
Subject: Testimony - anything on John Simon?
I am looking forward to picking up Testimony. I have read some excerpts, especially about the Last Waltz, and I saw no references to John Simon. I understand he was integral to the effort, sitting in on piano and signalling the guys about chord changes through a rigorous night of accompanying all those guests. Makes me wonder if his contribution to the Brown Album is discussed.
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WallsendWith regard to the negative book review BEG posted, I am not sure whether Robbie's ego in Testimony is a distraction or not. He does a lot of name dropping and is not shy in repeating stories about people praising him. On the other hand, he did achieve a lot and made some brave artistic decisions. If he hadn't decided to film TLW, their final concert wouldn't even be remembered today. I keep re-reading Testimony and get more out of it each time. I will have to re-read Levon's book and compare the two in more detail.
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Jeff A.Pete, i suspect that the proper within alcoholic content NWC had made that spam repost in protest of Jan's new rule. I propose that for all his past efforts his protest is regarded kindly.
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Subject: The Waterboys BBC Scotland
This is really amazing. Recorded in 2013 at Glasgow Barrowland when The Waterboys were celebrating 25 years of Fisherman's Blues. The great Anton Thistlethwaite had returned for the tour.
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Peter VSubject: Not amused …
Having websites myself, enough time is spent on junk clearing without one of our own adding to it.
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bassmaleeLocation: DE, USA
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Subject: The Waltz, Uncut
This has probably been posted before, but I had never encountered it. It seems that there was a fairly static "house" camera recording at The Waltz, albeit in low-res black and white. The sound on this is pretty good, perhaps dubbed from a board tape as it seems out of synch in places. Other than Van Morrison's intro, which either I missed or is absent, it appears to be a complete record of the show, including the poets and the jams. Interesting. (Well, except the poets and the jams!)
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
NOV 30, 2016
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Levon and the Hawks - Circa Summer 1965?????
When I clicked on the photo to enlarge it......Levon and the Hawks Live at The Onyx Club at Oklahoma instead?????
The Main Stage at Tony Marts - College Pennants on the Ceiling
"As the spot lights were turned off and the sound of the music shifted immediately to the stage on the other side of the room, the Hawks, hot and sweaty, took their time putting their instruments down. Rick Danko loosened his tie, smiled and went up to one of the Go Go girls and started dancing and making time with her. Levon jumped off stage and with his drum sticks still in hand, he walked to the back bar where Anthony Marotta was sitting and as Levon approached, Tony Mart put his cigar down on the bar ashtray, lifted his right foot up like a Miss America showing her shoes, and pulled up on his trousers revealing his white ankles, getting a laugh out of Levon and Doobie the bartender, who remarked – “You knocked his socks off!”
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Bill MSM: There's a present under the tree for you - that's all I'm saying.
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S. M.Hi, Dunc .
Bill M : Forgotten what ?
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Peter VI find the "non-Band" stuff fascinating in Testimony, and though we might know bare bones of stories from Ronnie and Levon, they are greatly fleshed out and made more interesting.
I wondered why Cathy Smith became Katy. BUT many of us have different shortened names to different people.
Far and away the best of the three big ones on The Band.
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RodTestimony is great. I'm a slow reader so I get to enjoy it for longer.
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Bill MLocation: umm?
Wallsend: Yes, but imagine the surprise and joy on SM's face when he (or she) opens the prettily wrapped present under the tree. (SM is Band fan, so it's reasonable to assume that SM is old enough to have already forgotten it.)
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WallsendYou guys who are saving Testimony for Christmas don't understand the enjoyment to be had from instant gratification. It is something that Robbie and the boys could teach us all a lot about.