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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

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Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

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Entered at Fri Jul 31 13:08:45 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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SIX-STRING SURVIVORS.....including Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 12:57:50 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

My favourite song from Levon's American Son.

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 31 12:22:21 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach

No takers for Pattie B's trolling effort?

Someone please post something negative about Robbie Robertson so Pattie can justify his/her personal pity party.

Oh, how could they? It is all so upsetting. It gives the old girl the vapors.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 00:09:34 CEST 2015 from (67.4.213.197)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Ian W

Google mail

rhythm [no space] jimmy


Entered at Thu Jul 30 23:07:10 CEST 2015 from (188.149.199.109)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Cate Bros

Ron EoFF, Peter. Typo, I know. A briliant bass player, he is. Lee G. and yours truly saw the Cates with Levon during our Southern pilgrimage 10+ years ago, in AR. Wonderful band, very nice people, Eoff made an effort to make sure we enjoyed the experience.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 22:00:38 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

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Norbert

Norm, that Beany …. wonderful!.

That’s the folks you want to know, drink with and talk about. They write songs about such characters.

Think I’ve seen him and his banjo ones myself, many years ago ….. he hovered out of a Rainer Werner Fassbinder movie, crossed the road and disappeared in a Coen brothers noir.

Thanks.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 21:08:40 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Road Kill Cafe! salsbury steak of shunk!

I told y'all this story long ago. When I commercial fished for 30 years. One of the gang of fishermen was a tiny little Japanese guy named "Beany". He had a beautiful big gillnetter named "Come Ocean"......."commotion?"

Beany made the most beautiful wooden steering wheels (for boats). He also played the banjo, and he had a very pronounced lisp. Now image, a bunch of drunk fishermen sitting around on the net float in the moonlight, our boats tied all around us every one playing guitars, maybe fiddle and accordion.........and.......one very drunk little Japanese guy singing at the top of his lungs (with a lisp) "Dead thshunk in the middle of the road."

Beany very often drank way too much Crown Royal. Many years ago him and a friend were up some river in a canoe fishing and Beany had way more than he should have of that stuff and fell out of the canoe and drown....I'll never forget the sight of him singing that song tho'....


Entered at Thu Jul 30 20:20:37 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

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Joan, poor you! There are tons of skunks in Vancouver, and in the evening you can smell skunk odor quite often, and it lasts for miles.

Our next door neighbor used to have skunks living under her garage, so in self-defense I learned a bit about them.

As a rule they are not aggressive and will not attack unless they feel threatened, as it can take days to replenish their spray supply. They are solitary animals, and can have as many as five separate dens within their territory. Most other animals leave them strictly alone, but dogs are the exception. Unfortunately tomato juice will not remove the oil in the spray from a dog's coat, so this formula is recommended instead:

1 quart of 3% hydrogen peroxide, 1/4 cup baking soda, and 1 - 2 teaspoons liquid soap.

This is best applied outside if possible, to avoid contamination, and avoid the dog's eyes, as the mixture can be damaging. Apply the solution, work well into the dog's coat, leave on no longer than five minutes, and rinse, rinse, rinse. It's very important that none of the mixture is left on the dog, as it can be very irritating to the skin.

Skunks are nocturnal, so it's unlikely you'll encounter one during the day, but if you're walking your dog at night and see a skunk (hopefully before the dog does) give it a wide berth, and lots of respect!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 18:36:31 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Skunks

I used to go to summer camp in upstate New York. Our bunks were about 6 inches off the ground one night a mama cat and her kittens were under the bunk. A skunk came by and they got into yowling fight. As expected the skunk lets go we have to sleep in the bunk over that spell for two weeks. There are also multiple stories of dogs that got into a fight with a skunk. Tomato juice is the best thing to get the smell off.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 18:28:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Tonight Let's All Make Love in London

Thanks, Pat B, for posting the "Tonight Let's All Make Love In London" link. I should have thought of "You Tube". It's the first time I've seen it since way back then. In retrospect, it's a bit pretentious and, as so often with these things, mostly shows the glitterati. It wasn't what was happening to most young people in London at that time, let alone in the rest if the country. I seem torecall that director Peter Whitehead (and Lorimer Filsms) also made "Wholly Communion", the film of the big poetry event at the Royal Albert Hall in June 1965 - not something I attended.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 15:28:56 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.....and another musician who performed with the GB's Pat Brennan!!

I saw him at Massey Hall with other musicians.....Concert Against Landmines.....Ron Sexsmith was also in the audience.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 15:15:50 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Fred! Going to visit with another Fred this weekend by the Grand River. My Grandfather's brother also had same name.

For those who don't live in countries with skunks.....check out song again....Gee....Even imagezulu remembers this song being played on the radio. lol....and.....The McCarrigle sisters are Canadian. One of the saddest songs ever......"Heart Like A Wheel"....also covered beautifully by Linda Ronstadt.

Hey Bones. I think Louden is from your state.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 14:57:38 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Skunk...it's dead and it's in the middle of the road...

We ran over a dead skunk in the middle of the road back in 1970. That song will always have a special place in my heart....and nostrils.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 14:54:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

So great to "see" you again Deb! Thanks for the info.

Song of the day!

I was walking to work along Queen Street East and all of a sudden......fowl and nasty odour seeped through my nostrils. I quickly checked the road and sure enough there it was......"Dead Skunk In The Middle of The Road".....well truthfully it was on the side of the street. Anyway, I would hear this song on the radio all the time.

Another time I was travelling with Mr. Maximus and family to New Brunswick, Ontario and we're driving through Kingston, and.....bang!!!!!! We get out of the car on a cold snowy night and there it was........this time one of Canada's beavers!!!!!!

Btw Loudon Wainwright 111 is an American singer-songwriter who was married at one time to Kate McCarrigle of the McCarrigle sisters and father to Rufus (saw him at Joni Mitchell's 70th Birthday celebration at Massey Hall) and Martha.....as well as Lucy Wainwright Roche.

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 13:35:30 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Floyd before Dark Side

Some of you may like this.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 12:24:59 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Making Money with Untreated Wood Shavings

Get your smokey taste from the perfect barbecue for a fraction of the price:

Instead of those expensive little Weber Hickory Cooking Chips bags, buy, for the same price, a huge bag Untreated Wood Chips or Wood Shavings bird cage substrate at your local pet store (about 10x cheaper and the same result).


Entered at Thu Jul 30 10:11:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

1983 shows featured The Cate Bros, so:

Ernie Cate - keyboards, vocals / Earl Cate - guitar, vocals / Ron Eott - bass, vocals / Terry Cagle - drums, vocals


Entered at Thu Jul 30 07:18:53 CEST 2015 from (24.114.93.78)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.....and great to see Deb back !

anyone looking for a dentist, skip the question about the hygienists - go straight to the bit about murdering lions.......


Entered at Thu Jul 30 05:37:44 CEST 2015 from (24.114.93.78)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson......

......notice that his Facebook page has gone unchanged for close to a month now.........The RR camp should really hire this GB's Adam to manage and moderate the place.

Who knew Pink Floyd had a career before Dark Side of The Moon......of course, I knew they did but it still seems like one of the strangest things in rock that there were multiple albums before DSOTM.

Todd: Good to see you back......I was worried you might have gotten mugged at that TLW screening you went to.

Go Justin Go !


Entered at Thu Jul 30 01:14:39 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lone Star

Campbell and Williams alone are worth the price of admission!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 00:21:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jon, that probably will turn out to be one helluva show. Countless great players could and anyone who can likely will appear for that one.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:26:05 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Jeff, this show should be right up your alley.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:20:29 CEST 2015 from (81.131.128.245)

Posted by:

Roaringblind

Location: Scotland

Subject: Then there were four

Must be more than 10 years since I was last here! Just been listening to 'Then there were four', the Chicago broadcast from 1983. They sounded really re-energised. Just wondering if anyone knew who was on lead guitar? No clues on the sleeve notes.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:12:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Cue someone making fun of "It's a goddam impossible way of life." Someone? Anyone?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:11:50 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Bed with tiny cell phone

Subject: Dart Travis

Peter, congrats! Rest later.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 22:24:35 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: home
Web: My link

Subject: the dark side of touring

Quotes from an interesting study by Help Musicians UK (The Guardian June 25 2015, link):

- 60% of musicians have suffered from depression or other psychological issues, with touring

- “Ninety-nine per cent of touring is the airports, the hotels, sitting in a metal tube for up to 16 hours at a time,”

- It’s easy to let your mind and body slip into decay, even for a person with a healthy emotional state.

- For those with anxiety, hotel rooms are like prison cells.”

- We’re the luckiest people in the world to be able to do this; but that doesn’t mean it’s not hard. It’s psychologically taxing,

- Being confined to the van for a 10-hour drive … You can’t sleep, you can’t move, you can’t do anything. It’s like a recipe for a breakdown for me.”

- For many, the contrast between the highs of a successful show and the anti-climactic low that often follows can be hard to adjust to, a phenomenon that has been termed “post-performance depression’, or PPD.

- “Musicianship remains one of the most exalted job roles and each live performance can provide a real high which can be hard to adjust to – especially when the elevated status that musicians receive is suddenly lost.”

- “I’d come home from tour, and I’m back to feeding the cat. My wife at the time – I don’t have a wife now – worked 12-hour shifts , so I was cooking the dinner all that sort of shit. There was a lot of tension, because I’m thinking to myself, ‘I don’t deserve this, I’m a big star’ and that was one of the contributing factors in ending my marriage. This fucking career, the striving towards something that never existed and doesn’t exist.”

- “We’ve had enough people die, quite frankly.”


Entered at Wed Jul 29 22:11:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

For those interested, the second ELT / ESL humorous novel under my pseudonym, Dart Travis, is now on line and available as a paperback. See link.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 21:47:31 CEST 2015 from (216.226.180.35)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Subject: The Waterboys

BEG, David Hood, bassist from the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section (aka the Swampers) is playing bass with The Waterboys these days. The link is to a blog he's writing about the tour for the local paper in the Shoals. I think this may be the first touring he's done since his time playing with Traffic in the 70's.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 21:24:09 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

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Pat B

Web: My link

Well, I hope our Canadian friends can see this because Let's All Make Love in London is a premium 60's artifact.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 19:43:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great resource, Ian … I used to correspond with friends with short reviews of stuff I saw, and one was kind enough to give me my letters back. I've got much better at spelling in 45 years. Some bands like Family,Yes, Jethro Tull, The Nice, Roland Kirk and The Who I remember clearly, but others like The House of Lords, Audience, Third Ear Band, Memphis Index are mainly a blank. When I look at the list (and I first saw Jethro Tull, Yes and The Nice VERY early long before success) it would appear that the memorable ones became famous and the others didn't!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 18:44:34 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Didn't It Rain?

I urge everyone to check out Amy Helm's wonderful new album "Didn't It Rain." And speaking of rain -- it seems I missed mentioning the 42nd anniversary yesterday of the Watkins Glen Summer Jam.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 17:28:17 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Angie, I'm not giving up the right one. That's non negotiable.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 17:13:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Late August or early Sept 1975. I was 16, starting NYU, or about to. Went to a job interview for a part time job advertised in the Village Voice. Working in a variety type store. the ad had run often, just gave the type of job, address of the store, maybe the name, time to arrive. So i get there a bit early, the place hasn't yet opened, and three other guys walk up together. They were scraggly, hard worn, a couple to 7 or 8 years older than meWe stat talkingm they;re three of the guys in Mink Deville. Whom i knew of, originally cause of the Village Voice. Hadn't yet gone to see em.the store never did open, i tihnk we all split after fifteen minutes.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:47:43 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok....It was 1977 at Edgerton's I saw Mink DeVille two nights in a row!! I took a few photos which are in one of their Fanzines from Holland. He was wearing snake skin boots like Keith Richards. My rain boots are the same but a different colour.....too much info Pat B? lol I think the same year I saw Mink DeVille with Elvis Costellooooo and Nick Lowe at Massey Hall......another night to remember......and cherish!

My favourite......Spanish Stroll!!!!!.....again......I never get tired of it! Willy is healthier looking here although I do remember the nights I saw him he was into snow.....but hair and eyes are healthier here....Spanish-Americana it is!!
Stop it Jefffffffff!..... ;-D


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:33:35 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Willy DeVille, Mink DeVille, conjures up memories of the old Lone Star. And the regular artists whom also frequented the place.... The musical talent of the old days man.....I ain't there yet, but another couple of years, & I know I 'll be typing- I'd give my left nut to go back to the 70s or 80s, hell, maybe even the 90s. Yeah, definitely even the 90s, as long as it's the whole decade.. Okay, okay, I'd probably make the deal now. Turn back the turntable!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:21:01 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: BILLBOARD cover date - a quick question

The quick question concerns the cover date of BILLBOARD but, before that, here is the background. The above WIKI link is about the cover dates of magazines etc, as opposed to the actual dates they are available to the public.

In something I've been working on recently, I say that BILLBOARD was available one week ahead of its cover date, which I always thought to be true. However, an article I have been reading (not in BILLBOARD but citing something published in BILLBOARD) leads me to think that perhaps I was wrong. I am referring here to BILLBOARD cover dates in the 1960s

It's not a major problem to me because, if I am wrong, I believe that the assumption I draw in what I've written will be strengthened. Nevertheless, I am keen to get it straight in my mind. So here's the question (actually two qeustions):

Was the cover date on BILLBOARD the actual date it was on sale to the public?

If the answer is "No", how many days before the cover date was it available?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:16:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Before I discovered The Waterboys......Mink DeVille. In this clip Willy DeVille (William Borsay) is not with his original band I saw in the late seventies but......look who is here and playing incredible guitar.....Dylan stole him for awhile years later.......Freddy Koella!!!!!!!
Also to note, Toronto's Paul James was in Mink DeVille's band briefly.....He certainly had the look.....I spoke to Paul about it after the show at The Dominion.....Bonk and friends were present for the first set......Too bad you didn't stay longer as Paul performed an out of this world "Marianne"........To remember forever!!!

Anyway, I think those of us who really appreciate groups like The Waterboys and Mink DeVille.......cult following as many people here and everywhere wouldn't even know who I'm talking about. Interesting that my brother digs both of these bands. Willy (from Connecticut...I always thought he came from Puerto Rico or lower east side of NYC) has written a song with Doc Pomus and Mark Knopfler has produced one of his recordings so.......Some do know him. ;-D

DeVille (Willy DeVille....William Borsay) (August 25, 1950 – August 6, 2009) was an American singer and songwriter. During his thirty-five-year career, first with his band Mink DeVille (1974–1986) and later on his own, Deville created original songs rooted in traditional American musical styles. He worked with collaborators from across the spectrum of contemporary music, including Jack Nitzsche, Doc Pomus, Dr. John, Mark Knopfler, Allen Toussaint, and Eddie Bo. Latin rhythms, blues riffs, doo-wop, Cajun music, strains of French cabaret, and echoes of early-1960s uptown soul can be heard in DeVille's work. Mink DeVille was a house band at CBGB, the historic New York City nightclub where punk rock was born in the mid-1970s. DeVille helped redefine the Brill Building sound. In 1987 his song "Storybook Love" was nominated for an Academy Award. After his move to New Orleans in 1988, he helped spark the roots revival of classic New Orleans R&B. His soulful lyrics and explorations in Latin rhythms and sounds helped define a new musical style sometimes called "Spanish-Americana".[1] DeVille died of pancreatic cancer on August 6, 2009 in a New York hospital. He was 58 years old.[2][3][4] Although his commercial success waxed and waned over the years, his legacy as a songwriter has influenced many other musicians died of pancreatic cancer on August 6, 2009 in a New York hospital. He was 58 years old.[2][3][4] Although his commercial success waxed and waned over the years, his legacy as a songwriter has influenced many other musicians such as Mark Knopfler and Peter Wolf."

Thanks to all for letting me be myself....again.....I'll have more to say Band related when Robbie's memoir comes out.....saving my gift card for it. Btw Sebastian......Why is it that in LA Robbie leaves signed copies but us here in Toronto......real fans......We have to be present? Just curious.......


Entered at Wed Jul 29 13:20:44 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Pink Floyd etc

I'm really pleased I kept my pocket diaries from 1965 to 1969, as they have lots of very brief notes about people, places, pubs, plays, partners, poetry readings and parties, not to mention galleries, exhibitions,films, restaurants and myriad other snippets of my life back then. I've dug them out and had a quick flick through them this morning but, don't worry, I'm not going to bore you with the contents. In places, it's just a tad embarrassing anyway.

What I thought I would add is that, on 14 December 1967, I went to see a film called "Dutchman" (a film with real with some impact as I recall, a terrific performance from Shirley Knight) and this was still in the days when there were second features, as I think they were called then. The second feature was "Tonight Let's All Make Love In London", with Pink Floyd in it, I think. And Michael Caine? I didn't note the cinema but went for a drink at the Shakespeare's Head that evening and that was at one end of Carnaby Street, near Liberty's department store, so somewhere near Oxford Circus, I'd guess.

OK, I can't resist. Two nights earlier, a college folk concert (Wizz Jones, still performing today, Sprinsteen did one of his songs a few years back; Clive Palmer, who had left the Incredible String Band leaving the duo we know so well,; Ron Geesin, an off-the-wall performer much loved by DJ John Peel; Ralph McTell, who only recently adopted that name I think, as I had seen when he was still Ralph May; the Jug Trust, one of the few jug bands on the London scene then; and The Peelers, of whom I have no memeory at all). The night before, it was a theatre club in Swiss Cottage for "The Two Character Play" by Tennesse Williams. The night after the cinema, it was The Old Place in Soho to see the Stan Tracey Trio and a quintet that included Don Rendell and Ian Carr (when Ronnie Scott's jazz club moved to its current location, he kept the "old place" going for a while). And two nights later, it was to the Classic Cinema in Baker Street to see Fellini's "Juliet of the Spirits", after which an indian meal, then Finches Wine Bar in Marylebone, followed by two (not one) parties .


Entered at Wed Jul 29 09:34:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pink Floyd

Pink Floyd – similar to you, Ian, except I was never lucky enough to see them. I bought both the early hit singles, See Emily Play and Arnold Layne new, then managed to resist them. I bought Wish You Were Here, oddly, after going to an air display in the early 80s where Microlight planes “danced” in the air while Shine On You Crazy Diamond played loud. Superb. I bought a 45 of Another Brick in The Wall. Then I bought The Wall Live for The Band, and eventually succumbed to a deluxe Dark Side of The Moon when the anniversary deluxe set came out.

Oh, and Money was on Rolling Stone's 5.1 DVD Audio (or possible SACD) sampler disc, and was a fun 5.1 system demonstration … the cash registers rotate around the speakers.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 09:26:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Waterboys

Link to my review of The Waterboys in 2012 on the Appointment With Mr Yeats tour … a show marred by awful sound, though way better in the "Mr Yeats" songs. It's far and away my favorite album, though Modern Blues has strong moments. Basically, for me, they've got better over the years. Not many bands can say that.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 06:34:47 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi there Kevin from NE PA....really you or?

I would first say the best thing to do is check out the various recordings of The Waterboys online as I'd feel badly if you bought what I dig and then you were disappointed. I've made that mistake here. So I'll share the recordings I have and make one comment about each one.

Also I'm drawn to The Waterboys with and without Karl Wallinger and with and without Steve Wickham because we're around the same age so they were "happening" during my time of growing up and digging music. His lyrics were the soundtrack to my life. They were my contemporaries in many ways even though we come from different ethnic groups and genders.

If you want guitar you'll get some but that's not what Mike Scott is about as he's a singer-songwriter foremost who apparently studied literature and philosophy in University (dropped out first year). He can draw on things that enhances his writing. His voice......He's from Scotland but when he sings.....His voice sounds so familiar to me....sound wise and content wise....Now I did have a housemate in my grad years who was from Aberdeen but.....He has what I say a lot of my favourite musicians have and it's that "it" factor....for me. I was thinking today of how I came across this group and I can't remember if my older brother had "A Pagan Place" first or if I did. After the mid-eighties we really parted ways as to musical taste in general. Anyway, sure glad I found them!

1983 The Waterboys...Their first recording but it was the second one I bought. I posted one of their songs...."It Should Have Been You."

1984 A Pagan Place...not as accessible for the casual fan as "This Is The Sea". Link is to the very first song that just.....made me stop what I was doing......"The Thrill Is Gone (I thought it was going to be BB King's cover but no it wasn't) /The Healing Has Begun........He added Van's TTIG.

1985 This Is the Sea...A lot of people would probably start with this one or "Fisherman's Blues" if they enjoy celtic sounds as well.

1988 Fisherman's Blues or the Deluxe version which has cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country"....pricey so I just downloaded this one song.

1993 Dream Harder...most disappointing of all recordings as maybe I listen to a few songs.....sometimes but......no.....I wouldn't buy this one.

1995 Bring 'em All In...Solo Mike Scott...very disappointing as I was only drawn to one song. Just as I'm one of their biggest cheerleaders.....If I don't find the music resonates or I feel it's filler music.....I'm a very harsh critic.

1998 The Live Adventures of The Waterboys...I don't have this one but it has the song I posted via of my brother....."The Pan Within/Because The NIght".....I will look for this live recording now.

2011 An Appointment with Mr Yeats...I don't know the work of Yeats even though Louuu has quoted him....so the songs don't have meaning for me as they would for others....lost in translation. I never bought this recording but with more listens online....maybe....or I will just download the songs that have the power to engage.

2015 Modern Blues...never bought this one either as some songs are good enough but their earlier work is where it's at for me. However, I would not begrudge The Waterboys performing any of these songs live.....as I'm just drawn to Mike Scott and Steve Wickham. I guess it's like Dylan for me....I was a huuuuge fan until he recorded the album with "Mississippi".....which I liked but not the rest. imagezulu is particular as well....Mention Miles Davis to him and he'll say....only until mid-sixties.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 05:56:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: NE can be in the NW. And don't let no one tell you otherwise.

Kevin from PA. Are you in North East, Pennsylvania, which is located in Northwestern Pennsylvania? Or are you in the regional section of Northeastern Pennsylvania? Like where the Poconos are?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 04:40:57 CEST 2015 from (71.58.236.105)

Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Waterboys

Thanks JT for the recommendations!

My local record shop has a few of those titles in Vinyl (my preference) and CD. I think I'll check them out in your suggested order. Thanks again.

For those Wilco fans out there, their new LP is available for free download (for a limited time). Head over to: http://wilcoworld.net/splash-star-wars-links/ and enter an email address to get the download. I think it may be available for free downloads in itunes as well. Not sure how long though.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 02:45:54 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Thank you + early recollections of (the) Pink Floyd

I’ve been busy but I popped in to say thanks to everyone who responded to my earlier comments and questions. It is much appreciated.

I am no great fan of Pink Floyd but saw them a few times back in the day:-

3 December 1966: The Roundhouse, London (at “Psychadelphia versus Ian Smith”, a “happening”, as such events were called then). It should really be dated 4 December as it was past midnight. I once posted the wrong date for this on-line – goodness knows why, as I was then working from my old pocket diary, but this is the correct date (or dates).

8 April 1967: The Roundhouse, London (with “The Flies etc”); again, it really should be dated 9 April 1967. It was a good week, music-wise. I saw The 3 City 4 two nights later in Hampstead, John Renbourne with Jacqui (McShee – later of Pentangle) two nights after that, in Highgate, with Roy Harper singing form the floor as we used to say (that is, as an unadvertised guest), and, two days after that, at the Saturday-Sunday all-nighter at Les Cousins in Soho, The Young Tradition, Al Stewart, Roy Harper (again) and a few others

12 May 1967: Queen Elizabeth Hall, London (the “Games for May” concert). I think this was a quadraphonic concert. There was a light show, some other special effects and I recall that they showed the “Arnold Layne” promo film on a big screen. They also played “Games for May” (later called “See Emily Play”) and “Interstellar Overdrive”. On the way out, I picked up a bunch of handbills (now redundant, of course) and used some to decorate my crummy flat. Others I kept and, quite a few years back, sold them for a pretty sum.

3 May 1968: Westfield College, London (this was not a concert as such but a student dance and that’s what people did – they danced). The next evening, I went to see The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem at Kilburn State, just a mile or two away in another district of London - such were those eclectic times.

I have never seen Pink Floyd live since and have never bought one of their albums since, let alone a single. I suppose I should say that there was an exception; in the early 1970s, I did buy the “RELICS PINK FLOYD – A BIZARRE COLLECTION OF ANTIQUES AND CURIOS” album on the Starline label but that had early (dare I say, pre-fame) stuff on it.\ Sorry if this disturbs anybody.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:45:45 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Finally!!!

Sure is good to see the recollections and expertise of David Powell here again. Thank you David.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:20:54 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks for that Rolling Stone interview, beg. That was quite the read. Slippery guy, that Bob ...


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:10:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Waterboys and Mike Scott

My recommendation regarding The Waterboys is to listen to 1) Fisherman's Blues

2) This Is The Sea

3) Modern Blues (current)

4) An Appointment with Mr. Yeats (if you still have a yen for more)

You will see a transformation in Mike Scott not unlike the kinds of changes we encountered through Dylan's career.

BEG may have different suggestions. She probably knows more than I do, having followed The Waterboys for much longer than I

I am partial to Modern Blues since that is where I came in, but I appreciate the previous work listed above greatly.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 00:47:03 CEST 2015 from (71.58.236.105)

Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Waterboys

BEG,

All this talk about The Waterboys has me interested. They are not on my radar at all. What LP(s) do you recommend to get started?

Thanks...


Entered at Wed Jul 29 00:44:48 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BOB

Recorded at Columbia Studios New York October 1965 to January 1966
and Nashville between February and March 1966


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:52:59 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Rolling Stone Interview: Bob Dylan
By Jann S. Wenner
RS47: November 29, 1969


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:52:40 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

However, I beleieve those two S&G songs featuring Joe South were recorded at Columbia Studios in Nashville on Dec. 14. Bob Johnston and Joe more than likely first crossed paths in Nashville, where Joe was doing some session work back then, and Johnston took note of his skills. Can't pin down any session work that Joe did in New york at the time, but he could have shown up there. In August 1965 Charlie McCoy just happened to be in New York on vacation visiting the World's Fair when Johnston asked him to come by a Dylan recording session. The result was Mr. Mccoy adding the Grady Martin "El Paso" style acoustic lead guitar to "Desolation Row."


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:39:49 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: Floyd

I always loved Pink Floyd. I saw them multiple times and I saw Roger solo multiple times. Roger is a very bitter person and a bit of a narsosist. David is much more pleasant. I like the live shows with Gilmore better than Waters. Gilmore brings the voice and guitar that you come to see and hear.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:51:22 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, I Am A Rock was recorded just two weeks after the Nov 30 Dylan session. It would be interesting to check Joe South's discography to see if he did anything else in NY during that period.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 19:27:06 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: New York Blonde On Blonde Sessions

Curiously, Michael Krogsgaard's Dylan Recording Sessions lists Joseph Souter (p/k/a Joe South) as playing guitar on the Nov. 30, 1965 session (from 2:30-7:30). During that time they were presumably working on various takes Of "Freeze Out" (Visions of Johanna). Mr. South would later play bass on the released version recorded in Nashville. So, that would indicate that Joe, Robbie and Al Kooper were the only musicians to play on both New York and Nashville sessions for "Blonde On Blonde"?

I'm guessing that Joe was brought into the New York session by producer Bob Johnston. Mr. Johnston around that time was also producing Simon and Garfunkel's "Sounds of Silence" album, which featured Joe playing electric guitar on "I Am Rock" and "Richard Cory."


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:06:41 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: SELF COOKIE = THE BAND

Jerry I didn’t know the Greens either.

If you search for a barbeque and afterwards read a newspaper on the WWW a good chance you’ll get one of those annoying banner ads bogging you with exactly the same BBQ and the vacuum cleaner you bought last week.

But there is help; type (whilst holding ctrl + alt + f4) SELF COOKIE = THE BAND. Now you still get a banner ad, but this time it’s the most viewed Band site pic. Mostly this is The Brown Album cover picture. Good luck!

Link: Curtis Harding


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:16:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Synchronicity never fails to puzzle me. I street-parked right outside a cinema this morning. There on the hoarding was a poster for "The Wall" - whether it's the Berlin one with The Band or a new "live to cinema" broadcast, I don't know. I didn't examine it.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 16:08:46 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and when I need a hit of quick energy......I listen to The Waterboys performing live "The Pan Within/Because The Night" (Patti Smith....Apparently "A Girl Called Johnny"was about her.). I guess all of you noticed that I'm in a Waterboys state of mind today. Btw, I have one of Mike Scott's solo recordings and was disappointed...Bring "Em All In....only really liked one song but will listen again to see if I've changed in anyway.

I first heard this live cut at my brother's place as I didn't have any live recordings. He's also a fan of Mink DeVille, Louuu like myself.....starting to warm up to reggae.....otherwise he's not a fan of The Band. I mention him a lot as he's the one who exposed me to a lot of music at home via 8-tracks.....Oh I hated them....songs would cut out and then continue onto the next track.....but I would wear out Louuu, Bowie, Rod the Mod, Woodstock, Freeeeee.

Hi Fred! Thanks for email. When are you coming home for a visit? :-D


Entered at Tue Jul 28 16:00:23 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Comfortably Numb

Another discography connection between Roger Waters and The Band is that Robbie Robertson, as music producer for the soundtrack to Martin Scorsese's 2006 film "The Departed," included the version of "Comfortably Numb" featuring Levon and Rick harmonizing with Van Morrison from Roger Waters' "The Wall: Live in Berlin." The song was used in a key scene with Billy (Leonardo DiCaprio) and Madolyn (Vera Farminga).


Entered at Tue Jul 28 15:32:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Air' guitar

9/12 for me, Fred. Too many clues in the data given. If I had to do this on the guitar alone with no accompanying clues, I would have done considerably worse.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 15:16:20 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Fred-Guitar Quiz

Got 8 of 12.Had difficulty with all these genres i had no clue about.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:47:24 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Songs for the day!

Live from the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury on June 27th 2015.

"For true believers, Mike Scott will always be the man who invented and defined 1980s stadium rock, and then bailed out just as U2 and Simple Minds were hitting their stride. His strident, anthemic and visionary songs - you will almost certainly know the hit The Whole of the Moon - sit squarely on the line between Bob Dylan and Pete Doherty for poetic aspiration. And the 1984 Waterboys single The Big Music named that generation of post-punk musicians’ sense of sonic ambition.

He then left it all behind, and immersed himself in Irish folk music, releasing the rollicking Fisherman’s Blues and Room to Roam albums to huge acclaim. Since then he has recorded and toured often, under his own name and the band’s. He also set 20 of WB Yeats’s poems to music for a theatrical presentation called An Appointment With Mr. Yeats, so expect a broad range of very different musical ideas at what has to be their seventh Glastonbury, unless you count the three performances in 2007 separately, in which case it’s their ninth appearance at Worthy Farm."

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:33:30 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

This Is The Sea + Spirit The Waterboys
Live at Liquid Club in Tel-Aviv (Israel)
1986.

There is also another video of The Waterboys performing Fisherman's Blues....dedicated to Bob Geldolf.

I searched via of Youtube and discovered that I saw the Waterboys in 1985 at the Diamond Club, which is now called the Phoneix Club. The previous year in 1984 they performed at the El Mocambo.

Spirit Lyrics...Short Version
This Is the Sea
"Spirit" is track #3 on the album This Is the Sea. It was written by Taylor, Lewis.

(Wo)Man gets tired
Spirit don't
(Wo)Man surrenders
Spirit won't

(Wo)Man crawls
Spirit flies
Spirit lives
When (wo)man dies

(Wo)Man seems
Spirit is
(Wo)Man dreams
The spirit lives

(Wo)Man is tethered
Spirit free
What spirit
Is (wo)man can be

What spirit
Is (wo)man can be
What spirit
Is (wo)man can be

What spirit
Is the (wo)man can be

(Wo)Man seems
Spirit is
Man dreams
Spirit lives
(Wo)Man is tied, bound, torn
Spirit is free
What Spirit is (wo)man can be!


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:14:15 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Waters:An Anti Semite In Words & Actions

Like Ben,I have no difficulty criticizing the actions of the Israeli government when applicable.Particularly the horrid Netanyahu leadership.Waters has spoken words and taken actions of an anti semite.Whether he thinks he's an anti semite or not,who knows and who cares.Critique of Israel in itself is not anti semitic IMO.Waters is not a critic.He's a virulent hater-never a good role model for achieving peace.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 13:08:39 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: And now for something more serious...

Take the quiz.....I dares yas. : )


Entered at Tue Jul 28 12:44:23 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Peter, a large percentage of Jews (including myself) are quite critical of the Israeli government. I don't consider myself a self hating jew.

Roger Waters has done much more than make a fair critique of Israel. He has compared Israel to Nazi's. He has railed against the all powerful jewish lobby, that keeps people from speaking out against Israel. He uses images of jewish stars on flying pigs in performances of 'The wall'. Those are a few examples off the top of my head.

In addition, he tries to bully every artist who is scheduled to play in Israel to cancel. Whether his intentions at the onset were purely pro-Palestinian. His statements and actions over the years have crossed over to ant-semitism in the view of myself and many others including the adl.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 11:06:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Anti-semitism is a heavy charge, and not a stone to cast lightly. Where it fits, shout it to the skies … but I am concerned when the charge is laid against someone who merely criticizes the recent political policy of the state of Israel. As JQ says, you then include 45% of the Israeli population and also many Jews in Britain.

British theatre has a tendency to compete with Shakespeare productions. This year, three major theatres have done The Merchant of Venice. The Royal Shakespeare Company paired it with Marlowe’s The Jew of Malta. I’ve seen them all. In all four, the programmes discuss anti-semitism at length, as we did going home … one we saw with Jewish friends. The Merchant of Venice is “a play ABOUT anti-semitism”. It was not in any of these productions “anti-semitic.” The theatre programmes discussed the recent rise of anti-semitism, especially in France and Germany. Some of this is 1930s Nazism rearing its foul and ugly head, but much more is from Moslems in France, and while equally worrying, it is different in origin.

Today I’ve been trying to book a play at the Almeida Theatre in London (without success ) and it’s The Bakkhai (or as I would write Bacchae). On the theatre website, someone is complaining that they will not go because the play’s director (who I’ve never heard of) has signed a petition for a cultural boycott against the State of Israel. This is the issue with performers. A group of them (including Waters) compare Israel’s attitude to Palestinians to Apartheid and seek a (peaceful) cultural boycott. They claim this is a lot less harmful than the restriction of essential supplies to Gaza. Was the cultural boycott of South Africa part of the solution? It’s hard to tell, though it caused some absurdities such as Paul Simon being castigated for touring with South African black musicians. Such things will cause absurdities.

I’m certainly not going to pontificate on Israel’s policy … if someone starts lobbing missiles over the border at you, retaliation does seem an inevitable response to me. But those who protest about the policies should not be bludgeoned with either knee-jerk “anti-semitic” or “anti-Israel” accusations if that is all they are complaining about. Many people are concerned that the current policies are perpetuating the issues, and that while things are resolved temporarily by force, the underlying issues remain, and are ones which our grandchildren will have to deal with. Of course appointing the warmonger Blair as “Middle East Peace Envoy” meant several years of zero progress.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 10:45:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Equality??

Equality........I spoke the word as if a wedding vow........

Aw but I was so much older then........


Entered at Tue Jul 28 08:42:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: My Back Pages

I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

I'm an old man now, but I'm sure what the prophet meant was when we were young men, and thought we knew it all we thought we were old.

I was young and the whole world was my door step and we laughed at these things, thinking they were foolish. We are all just people no matter what religion or colour. Being ny-eve (how you like that spelling) we didn't sometimes see the seriousness.

Now, although it all seems so futile these things need to be discussed. Jesus Christ was a Jew. My question is how can so many religions use him to hate each other. It's hard to understand. So I rely on songs like this. Watch it and listen again. I'm sure all these fellows have a great understanding of the words they sing.

I also rely on people like Ray Stevens who sings "Everything is beautiful". It would be nice in our life time to see more of the world come together and understand one another.........but it doesn't ever seem hopeful. Still that is not a reason to ever quit trying.

The proverb still seems backwards, "Do unto others before they do unto you".............good night.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:39:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Todd. I think there is a big difference between being abhorred and disgusted by an artist using his celebrity to influence anti semitic & anti Israel decisions made by the masses and political/ business decisions made by other artists and as you have pointed out "relying on him (or any entertainer for that matter) for political, moral, or spiritual guidance." Waters has put himself in the spotlight on some heavy terms. The least of it is his publicly calling out artists like the Rolling Stones to not perform in Israel. A lot of the rest of it follows with that. Hoping other artists put him into isolation is small consolation & a fair expectation. Talking about his remarks is more than reasonable.. If my favorite artists came out with the positions that Waters has i would give up their music in a heartbeat. And i don't care who that is. Friends who might take the same positions that Waters has would no longer be my friends. I can be friends with Republicans, i can't be friends with Anti Semites. I also can't be friends with people who are racially prejudiced against any people.



Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:11:01 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Primer

A shout out to Chicago blues artist, John Primer. Saw him a few years ago at Buddy Guy's club. Highly regarded and recommended. Chicago is a GREAT city with great everything.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:06:31 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Don't rely...

Todd: That's kind of what I tried to say, and you said it so much better. Thank you.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:03:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, Chicago has a very vibrant scene, and there's a lot of cross-pollination. I think the fact that Bloodshot Records is here has triggered the local Americana scene, along with people like Jon Langford and Robbie Fulks acting as catalysts for all kinds of mayhem. I've been lucky enough to play with all kinds of artists: Mavis, Otis Clay, Johnny Frigo, Jeff Tweedy, Kelly Hogan, Sally Timms, Cowboy Jack Clement, Rosie Flores, Dave Alvin, Kevin Coyne. I'm a very fortunate guy.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:01:51 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Neko Case - Live on Austin City Limits

JT - This is a really good one to see - with Kelly Hogan singing backup and Jon Rahaus on the steel. I believe it's available on YouTube in clips or from ACL's site -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:58:39 CEST 2015 from (32.216.244.98)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Roger Waters

Roger Waters is a musician and entertainer. He's made some interesting music as well as some boring music. That's his job. I would caution against relying on him (or any entertainer for that matter) for political, moral, or spiritual guidance.

It would make more sense to focus on our elected officials who are actually tasked with setting and enforcing policy. That's where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. There are plenty of folks currently holding public office who should be held to a higher level of public scrutiny than is currently happening. Unfortunately politics doesn't always attract the best, brightest or best intentioned.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:54:21 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Neko Case

Neko Case: Member of The New Pornographers of Vancouver and contributor to songs on virtually all their albums. She is a vibrant singer with a great voice and presentation in concert. Her solo albums are great also.She got involved in the 90s as she lived in Vancouver attended school. She remains involved with the band as one of her projects. Their albums are excellent and if you can, you should see them in concert.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:13:53 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Chicago Americana

Hi Pat B - I'm wondering about that scene in Chicago and whether it's an organized thing or merely coincidental that there's a number a fairly renowned artists in that genre there.

I'm thinking of Kelley Hogan, Neko Case (gone from there now, I think), The Handsome Family, Wilco and others that are based there, appear on each other's records, etc -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:20:46 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Here's a link to Amy's Facebook which has a number of photos of her with Roger Waters. My Morning Jacket was on the set too.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:10:31 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm Gave Roger Waters a Razorback Cap

FEATURED, J

UST FOR FUN
FEBRUARY 23, 2014
BY PATRICK HOUSTON 29 COMMENTS

"In the video, Waters tells the story of how Helm gave him his “fishing hat” and proclaims “This will be with me until the day that I die because it means a lot to me.” "Levon Helm gave Waters the hat after a concert in the former no-man’s-land area of Berlin shortly after the Wall came down in that city. The two shared the stage for that concert in 1990."

Any thoughts Joan? Wittgenstein?


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:02:30 CEST 2015 from (166.137.242.87)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: PC and Criticism if Israel

American conservatives find the PC culture (so called) especially repellant. In that context is anything less PC than criticizing Israel? Historically conservatives, especially the religious crowd, have been the most anti-Semitic. Something around that seems to have changed, but only recently - listen to Billy Graham's take on "too many Jews" on the Nixon tapes. If your'e an American Jew don't trust that crowd and question their motives.

I don't believe that Israel is well-served by conflating any criticism to anti-Semitism. And I think the 45% of Israelis that consider Bibi to be a boob would agree -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 01:18:59 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: joe j

All cool.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 01:04:39 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat. The only communication I've ever had with Amy was the only time I met her. In the dressing room at The Salute The Blues show at Radio City in 2003.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 23:12:13 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: No more!

Jed, Ben, Jeff A, others. These things need to be said. Anti semitism is alive and needs to be eradicated, even when disguised within a political framework that espouses fairness. 1939 can be just around the corner. My family didn't die for nothing. Their ashes continuously remind me of who I am and what is needed. What I continue is remember that the performers are no different than others when it comes to ideas about church and state and the whole issue of how to right the wrongs of the world. Many are misguided in their sense of trying to make things fair and miss the bigger picture. I truly believe you have to live in a place to understand the issues. To criticize from afar or to make pronouncements in the name of fair play without understanding the issues that face people every day is fraught with danger and leads to misunderstanding. As someone said here; such ideas fuel the fires for others of something the world needs none of: anti semitism. That phenomenon needs to be firmly placed into the garbage bin and like flags on a flagpole in the south and the Nazis of the past, anti semitism needs to be taken down solidly. It certainly does not need performers to help it along, even in the name of what they perceive as fairness. If they care to help, let them go and live where the action is and make a difference there.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 23:02:11 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Waters

Jed, you're not wrong. It is so necessary to have these conversations and I was all to casual to dismiss it.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 22:22:37 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: WTF ROGER?

i discussed Roger because when his name comes up,as a Jew,i tend to want to roll it right back down.Lesson i learned too often is most things disappear on their own accord,as will Roger and all of us.But,y'know that little thing called the Holocaust turned me on to the idea that hatred disguised as politics,even for those ignorant to the impact of their own words,is still hatred.And that's a very very dangerous thing,morally,existentially, & physically.Sorry,nonetheless,to sully these pages with Roger's ideology.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 22:17:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Nothing yet on Nov. 15, 1965

Ian W, John D (and anyone else with an interest) I wrote to Peter Goddard (Toronto Star) and to Robert Fulford.(Star: now National Post) I received responses from both. Neither of them could enlighten me on the set list on Nov. 15, 1965. I also heard from someone who was at the concert. No further information from that person. So, I remain in the dark. No set list. I await responses from others to whom I have written. I am hoping Sebastian or Robbie will let me know. I have faith in the good nature of people and someone will know what needs to be known by some of us. The quest for this 'holy grail' continues...


Entered at Mon Jul 27 21:34:21 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks, Joe, that makes me feel a little better. I guess it's a guy thing ...


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:57:32 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: What I'm listening to these days

Link is to Jon Batiste & Stay Human's 'St. James Infirmary'.

Thanks to recent links to Tom Northcott, Ian Tyson and The Waterboys. WTF we discussing Roger Waters?


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:47:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Jeff, have you contacted Amy and let her know your displeasure?

Meanwhile, an important moment in Band history despite no one from the OQ being present.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:43:39 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Leblanc

Lisa, Ronnie would have guffawed and come back with a better retort. These guys are friends. Maybe a guy thing. Some of us never grow up. I do intend to. In due time. Manana. The once.

Link is to Fairgale, a group I've booked for next month. A version of Springsteen's "I'm On Fire" recorded in a WW2 gun battery.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 19:21:32 CEST 2015 from (24.114.92.13)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Cons

Kurt Loder's review of Roger Waters Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking:

"Roger Waters’ first official solo album will be of sustained interest mainly to postanalytic Pink Floyd fetishists and other highly evolved neurotics who persist in seeking spiritual significance amid the flotsam of English art rock. I can’t imagine that anyone else will sit more than once through this strangely static, faintly hideous record, on which Waters’ customary bile is, for the first time, diluted with musical bilge.”

I did think "Amused to Death" was a great album, though and I still listen to it. Roger Waters spends a lot if time these days at cocktail parties in The Hamptons......The housewives all giggle and remind each other that he used to be in a famous band......and then one pipes up that Paul McCartney is coming to her party tonight and everyone forgets about Roger.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 19:03:39 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Maybe my sense of humor is temporarily on holiday, but I found Larry Leblanc's retort to Ronnie Hawkins absolutely appalling. Goodness knows Ronnie can be crude, but he's never malicious. What a thing to say!


Entered at Mon Jul 27 18:02:12 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Thanks for clarifying. Too bad, not that I saw them either. Do you have Tom Northcott's "Upside Downside" LP with King and Patterson? The original Sheppard / Good Shepherds split up in Vancouver; Sheppard and his brother-in-law the drummer returned to Toronto and the remaining three (organ, guitar, bass) stayed in Vancouver, added local super-drummer Duris Maxwell, and gigged as the Good Shepherds until they did a mass merge with another group to become Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers - who went on to record an album for Motown and to discover the Jackson Five. They also toured Europe as the backing group for the Motown Revue - and had Jimi Hendrix hop on stage to jam (on bass) for one show. (He knew Bobby Taylor from the Sea-Tak R&B scene.)


Entered at Mon Jul 27 17:16:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds

Bill M: I unfortunately never heard/saw Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds, though I knew of them. The only bands I heard/saw were LATH and Jon and Lee and the Checkmates.


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Jeff A.

Well Ben, that makes two things we agree on. It scares me that people fall for Rogers bullshit that he's not anti semitic.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Waters-musically speaking

I liked Floyd in limited doses-more a teenage thing IMO.I attended a show during the Pros and Cons of Hitchiking tour.We left early.Clapton was the guitarist.Every time Waters turned to EC to play a lead EC turned away,and for most of the show EC ignored Waters,turned his back on him and watched the videos on the screen.Waters was awful,egotistical and from our view EC seemed disgusted by him.We left.It was years later that he took his anti Israel stance.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ben-Roger Waters

Agree with Ben.Waters has been spewing his one sided ignorance for years now.Israel is not perfect and IMO,Netanyahu's terrible approach to diplomacy,his duplicity,and arrogance makes things worse.But characters like Waters aren't swayed by Bibi-he has formed a position and whether he intends to or not he has crossed lines.Like Ben,I believe his words and actions have encouraged anti semitism and anti Semitic acts.When I saw him at Love for Levon I was disgusted.But,the money gained with Waters's name may have been worth it to some,more so than his despicable personal views.


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Bill M

Location: Tronto
Web: My link

What should turn up in today's paper but a early '70s photo of singer Tom Northcott (see posts last week, and not just mine) with veteran music writer Larry Leblanc, an occasional poster here, though not for years. Note the mention of Ronnie Hawkins too. Anyway, it'd be nice if the Canadian Music Hall of Fame, the putative subject of the article, has a whole room dedicated to the ones we love, i.e., the Band.

For the non-Canadians here, Larry's "Fuddle Duddle" teeshirt shows Canada's Prime Minister of the time, Pierre Trudeau, who'd recently caused a furor in the House of Commons by mouthing the words "fuck off" to an opposition critic; when asked what he'd said, he said he'd said "fuddle duddle". A couple of quick-witted producers dashed records out the door. The truly great Doug Riley pulled together "Funky Fuddle Duddle", as by the House of Commons, and managed a lot of airplay and decent sales, as did somebody else with "Do The Fuddle Duddle". John D will surely remember them, if not with fondness.

I'm sure that Leblanc and Northcott would have discussed organist Robbie King and guitartist Ed Patterson, who Leblanc had shared an apartment with when they were the dynamic duo of Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds (who JT must have seen at the Concord), and who then moved to Vancouver and contributed mightily to many records, notably, in my mind, Northcott's awesome "Iron Pines".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Otis Redding Live at Monterey Pop 1967...Canada's 100th birthday, year I saw The Jungle Book, interracial marriages legal in USA and at this Concert I think it was one of the first or very first times that audiences were of both races. Hmmm...Bob Marley would sing about the Rat Race which is about the Human Race, not about a race of people....but racism does exist so......Be the change!

If I still have my VHS; is it worth it to transfer to DVD or buy Blueray instead?

Roger Waters was in the audience at the last Eric Clapton Guitar Festival in NYC. Did I tell all of you that I was there for both nights? ;-D

Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!

Happy Healthy Monday!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Roger Waters

There have been plenty of articles posted online regarding Roger Waters views on Israel and the BDS movement for people to investigate and draw their own conclusions.

In my view, he has crossed the line from being pro-Palestinian to being anti-semitic whether he realizes it or not. The fact that he has some Jewish daughters in law and grandchildren is no excuse for this.

The fact is that there is rise of global antisemitism and attacks against Jews, much if it is in Europe, and much of it is in the guise of Anti-Israel rhetoric. His comments feed right into this and fuel it.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan & The Hawks - 1966 - Genuine Live (SBD/FLAC)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Simon!

Re: Dylan and The Hawks
This page is part of Lonesome Sparrow's Web Site.
Contents of this page taken from Usenet.


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Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Wright's favourite albums

A certain album being top of the list ... although he does say "Porgy and Bess" by Miles Davis would probably be the one if he had to choose.


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jurassic World

For those kind enough to read my film reviews, Jurassic World is linked. Do comment over there. I know you all saw it weeks ago, but I've been busy.


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Peter V

Agree. It's the sort of area best not discussed in detail in the interests of harmony. But read the letter. Decide for yourselves.


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Jeff A.

Pete, i ain't goin into it in detail further here, but in my opinion, his letter and he are full of shit. And i doubt Levon would have performed with him after his anti Israel rants. I could be wrong, but doubt it.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Roger Waters

In fairness, Jeff, do read the "Open Letter from Roger Waters" which is linked. I have heard him defending himself on radio. The issue is separating anti-semitism … and the Anti-Defamation League has said he is not anti-semitic … from opposition to Israeli government policies. If the latter is anti-Semitic, then a lot of Israelis would have to suffer the same accusation, which would be absurd. I am not commenting on those policies, just pointing out that they are a separate issue. He also points out that his grandchildren are Jewish.

I listened to Desert Island Discs on Friday where Noel Gallagher played "Nobody Home" and said "I love you Roger Waters. If I get near you, I'll lick your face." While this is excessive fandom to me, "The Wall" does mean a lot to a lot of people.

Incidentally, a preview of Desert Island Discs suggested that Noel Gallagher should choose The Beatles "Rain" eight times as his selection, as he's spent his career re-writing it. In the end, he confounded that by choosing "Ticket to Ride".


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: the devil also says

Correction- the Ro Fino Soundcloud Link I posted before- The Devil Says is the only track on there that is on the new EP....And it is great- the rest f the songs are from the first CD.


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how to make your skin whiter

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Many thanks! This is definitely an fantastic web site!


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The Devil Says - LISTEN TO THIS

Ro Fino's New EP will be available for you to purchase soon.

Meanwhile, you can listen to it on SoundCloud at the link above.

This will give you an idea of why I've been raving about her, her new material, and her band.


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Jeff A.

Amy Helm has a new record out. She also performed with Roger Waters at the Newport folk Festival the other day. Considering how Waters is blatanty anti semitic and completely anti Israel, i'm surprised she would. If Levon was alive i doubt that he would perform with Waters again.


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Jeff A.

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Subject: More Dylan related info. This time The Duke & the Americanarama tour

Duke Robillard posted this on his FB page. Introducing it as something he wrote about Mr Dylan, after working with him for a few days on the Americanarama tour.

I got nothing to say about the song or anything related. Just figured it'll get posted sooner or later, might as well be now.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I figured it out!

I had some time this afternoon to get out of work! so I did some research. Robert Plant's band "Strange Sensation".

Really interesting guys Billy Fuller the bass player, did some playing on the sound track for "Clash of the Titans". Skin Tyson guitar player, and Justin Adams plays the mandolin on this song. All have interesting careers. Y-know what........fugetaboutit!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, I believe Allison from Birds of Chicago is from Montreal.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Greenbriar Boys

Thanks for the post about Greenbriar Boys, Norbert. Though I was aware of them, I never listened and will now. Some excellent players and with a wide a varied set of careers after 1970 when the band disbanded, like many, they should not be forgotten by those who want to understand the foundations.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: The Greenbriar Boys (by Robert Shelton)

"A bright new face in folk music is appearing at Gerde's Folk City. Although only 20 years old, Bob Dylan is one of the most distinctive stylists to play in a Manhattan cabaret in months. Resembling a cross between a choir boy and a beatnik, Mr. Dylan has a cherubic look and a mop of tousled hair he partly covers up with a Huck Finn black corduroy cap. His clothes may need a bit of tailoring, but when he works his guitar, harmonica or piano and composes new songs faster than he can remember them, there is no doubt that he is bursting at the seams with talent. Mr. Dylan's voice is anything but pretty. He is consciously trying to recapture the rude beauty of a Southern field hand musing in melody on his back porch. All the "husk and bark" are left on his notes, and a searing intensity pervades his songs. Mr. Dylan is both comedian and tragedian. Like a vaudeville actor on the rural circuit, he offers a variety of droll musical monologues. "Talking Bear Mountain" lampoons the overcrowding of an excursion boat. "Talking New York" satirizes his troubles in gaining recognition and "Talkin' Hava Negilah" burlesques the folk-music craze and the singer himself. Slow-motion Mood In his serious vein, Mr. Dylan seems to be performing in a slow-motion film. Elasticized phrases are drawn out until you think they may snap. He rocks his head and body. He closes his eyes in reverie, seems to be groping for a word or a mood, then resolves the tension benevolently by finding the word and the mood. He may mumble the text of "House of the Rising Sun" in a scarcely understandable growl, or sob, or clearly enunciate the poetic poignancy of a Blind Lemon Jefferson blues, "One kind favor I ask of you -- See that my grave is kept clean." Mr. Dylan's highly personalized approach toward folk song is still evolving. He has been sopping up influences like a sponge. At times, the drama he aims at is off-target melodrama and his stylization threatens to topple over as a mannered excess. But if not for every taste, his music-making has the mark of originality and inspiration, all the more noteworthy for his youth. Mr. Dylan is vague about his antecedents and birthplace, but it matters less where he has been than where he is going, and that would seem to be straight up. The Greenbriar Boys If Mr. Dylan's pace is slow, the other half of the show at Folk City compensates for it. A whirlwind trio, the Greenbriar Boys, whips up some of the fastest, most tempestuous Bluegrass music this side of Nashville on eight cylinders and nineteen strings."


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brown eyed girl

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Sorry....wrong song but right blurb.

Rare Bob Dylan Song circa 1966 Blonde On Blonde period. If not still worth checking out.


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brown eyed girl

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Rare Bob Dylan Song circa 1966 Blonde On Blonde period

"This song is posted elsewhere as Spuriously Seventeen Windows but it needed its lower frequencies cut out to get rid of the booming noise of the acoustic guitar. It says under that posting that it was recorded in a hotel room by the Dylan biographer Robert Shelton in 1966 and certainly does fit the sound of that period. The lingering fifth chord and references to a painting make it seem almost like a predecessor of Visions Of Johanna, one of Bob's most celebrated songs. He must have worked on it very hard, reworking it over and over. Even as a draft, this song exudes charm, as much as the more finished She's Your Lover Now does, the predecessor of One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later). It reveals once more Dylan's facility for taking the essence of folk songwriting, powerful words set to a twist on an old folk tune archetype, and successfully mixing it with the dense metaphoric poetry of the French Symbolist and Surrealist poets of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries respectively. The existential young man's angst doesn't destroy the classical time tested formula of the fundamental songwriting elements either. Genius or what? The answer my friend was blowing in the wind and still is, for others to grab hold of while they can..."

Pat B...Is this the song you posted? If so then this one is for JD and all the other Canadians who frequent here.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Talkin about Bass

A ways back, I put a link to Robert Plant singing "Girl from the North". I wish some one would have a look and tell me 3 things. Who are the guys playing, stand up bass, acoustic guitar, and mandolin......unreal.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Birds of Chicago

Pat Brennan, as I drove home from Port Hardy just now I listened to a Sunday show I sometimes do when I get the chance. On our CBC radio, Stuart McLean's, "Vinyl Café".

Stuart is a great story teller, if you are not familiar with him. Beginning his show today he explained his strong love for the town because of the most famous writers and story tellers who were raised in Chicago. Walt Disney, (whose father was from Canada). Ernest Hemmingway, with strong ties to Canada. The list is very long.

What I'm coming to is, his musical guests on tour with him are "Birds of Chicago". I expect you are familiar with them. I was very impressed not having heard them before. Their instrumentation and vocal harmonies are great.


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David P

Subject: Two Basses

Beginning in the '60s Nashville sessions often featured two types of bass. A six-string "tick tack" electric bass along with either a stand-up acoustic or a standard electric bass.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, I enjoyed the Dean Martin/Ricky Nelson clip that you posted. I've heard Elvis's version of 'Cindy' before, but not Nelson's. Good stuff.


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Pat B

Ian, that was David P who provided the Bill Lee material, and you're welcome.

John D, it's the version from the Bootleg Series 1-3. The timings should hold.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: BRICs

Just back from the annual Global BMWHC (Better Music Web Hosting Conference) in Barcelona. I blended in with The Beatles, Stones, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. always good to meet old friends again. This year’s thread was: BRICs.

BRICs [Brazil, Russia, India and China entrants] are getting massive access to the WWW and thus to sites like this very Band GB.

If you encounter a new GB BRIC here don’t panic, stay calm and don’t display your Band confidence too obvious (this could hurt the tempered BRIC).

A few tips from Barcelona:

- Listen and empathize (“I will personally find the answer to your question and post you back in the next 15 days.”)
- “Thank you for letting us know.”
- “I can mail that to Mr. Jan and Mr. Peter right away”

Spain's BMWHC also taught that it costs 5 times more effort to find a new Band fan then to keep the fan we already have. …..

Anyway, just always keep in mind that BRICs are people too, good luck!


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Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Bill Lee

I meant to add a thanks, Pat, for posting the quotation about Bill Lee sticking to a stand-up bass.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:12:45 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: She's Your Lover, Now

Thank you, Pat, for that explanation. I am not a musician at all and never have been but, in 1991, I did a small booklet on BOOTLEG SERIES Vols. 1-3 and, in one paragraph, I wrote the following about this recording:

"The liner notes suggest that the breakdown is because Dylan mixes up the words, but his exclamation "What?" indicates that the cause lay elsewhere. One of my collaborators says, 'Somebody or other stops playing in the middle of the fourth verse and the musicians ease off, putting Dylan off his words'. If so, it has to be the bass player."

Well, maybe I didn't pin it down quite right but pretty close - for me! Thanks again, Pat.


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John D

Subject: Dylan

It's 437 miles from Chicago to Toronto. Pats Dylan video not available in Canada sadly.


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Pat B

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In She's Your Lover Now, Bob uses a technique similar to Sooner or Later where he stays on the IV chord for four beats longer than you would expect while he holds the melody note (at :43, 2:24, 4:06 of the linked video). The group pulls it off until the fourth verse where Rick messes up the change (5:50). That figure is followed by a descending chord sequence starting with the V chord, but the mistake has forced Bob to start singing the melody of the next part late--note Garth trying to cover the flub with a typically Garthian flurry. Bob comes in when the second chord sequence has already cycled through the first two chords which proves fatal.


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Peter V

On basses, I started watching “Dancing in the Blitz” last night, a programme on Big Bands, hosted by Jools Holland. He’d taken his big band to Blackpool to recreate “the sound of big bands. in 1940” The camera then went over the band recreating it … drums, OK, a modern kit, then electric bass guitar, then Hammond Organ, then electric guitar … I was reaching for the remote control to switch it off but Mrs V (who can’t stand Jools Holland) got there before me.


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David P

Subject: Bill Lee continued

Tracked down that Spike Lee profile. "...when the electric bass became ubiquitous in the mid-sixties, he (Bill Lee) refused to play it and stopped getting the lucrative studio work that had supported his family. His wife was obliged to return to teaching. 'I like the artistic stance' (Spike) Lee told me with an exasperated laugh. 'You have a family to support.' But he added, with admiration, 'He's never played the electric bass to date'." (excerpt from "Outside Man: Spike Lee's Celluloid Struggles" by John Cola pinto in THE NEW YORKER -- Sept. 22, 2008)


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Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Bill Lee

Thanks, David. Interesting.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Bill Lee

I recall reading in a profile of Mr. Lee's son Spike, the noted .film director, that his father was a jazz purist, who refused to play electric bass. As a result, he lost out on a lot of studio gigs, and the family suffered financially as a result


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Peter V

Subject: Two basses?

On double bass and bass guitar, Brian Wilson was using both together by 1966, playing exactly the same notes so it sounded like one instrument but with the depth of double bass and rhythm attack of bass guitar. I very much doubt that Bob was into that kind of studio wizardry though.


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Peter V

Subject: Band Box Vinyl Set - Mojo ratings

UNCUT this month has “Dylan, Newport & The Folk Revolution” (only just bought it, not read it yet) while MOJO simply reviews the book instead.

MOJO also reviews The Band 8 album vinyl set due out next month, and rates the albums. MFBP is at last in the original US sleeve, unlike the other vinyl reissues.

Jim Irvin rates the albums … note that’s HIM not ME … MFBP – 4 star, Brown – 5 star, Stage Fright – 3 star, Cahoots – 3 star, Moondog- 2 star, Rock of Ages – 3 star, NLSC – 4 star, Islands – 3 star.

From a magazine which as I noted recently rates most of what it reviews as 4 star, this is extremely silly. STAGE FRIGHT rated the same as ISLANDS? Really? MFBP, one of the most influential albums ever, 4? So what’s a 5? As you know I’d rate the first three + NLSC all as 5.Probably RoA 4 or 5. The others? Probably 3.


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Ian W

Subject: Posters and ticket stubs

Thanks, BEG, for posting this. I had seen the site before. Unfortunately, some of the scans posted are not great quality but it is a useful resource.

In respect of the poster collectors/dealers, I have known Pete Howard for many years. He has stayed with me, we've met in New York and I once visited him at home in California, where I saw some of the originals. Andrew Hawley, who I have not met, was very helpful when it came to my research into Dylan shows that were advertised but did not take place.


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brown eyed girl

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Song for the day!

RIO BRAVO My Rifle, My Pony, and Me/Cindy

Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson and Walter Brennan

Happy Healthy Sunday!


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brown eyed girl

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AVID COLLECTOR SEEKS VINTAGE BOB DYLAN 1966 RICHMOND MOSQUE CONCERT POSTER


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brown eyed girl

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Bob Dylan Handbill 1961

Bob Dylan Concert Flyer 1966 Tour

Bob Dylan Flyer 1962 Gerde's Folk City By Suze Rotolo

John Cohen On Bob Dylan, 1962

Bob Dylan Concert Flyer 1966 Tour W/Hawks (The Band)

Bob Dylan Concert Posters 1966 Vancouver And Honolulu


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brown eyed girl

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1963-1969 Bob Dylan Ticket Stubs, Posters, Set Lists and Pictures from The Bob Dylan Ticket Stub and Concert Poster Archive.

Bobby Gregg also was the drummer on Simon and Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence".... One of the songs we had to analyze in school as well as the poem "The Rime of The Ancient Mariner" by Coleridge.


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Posted by:

Ian W

Location: http://www.bjorner.com/DSN01225%20(66).htm#DSN1225

Subject: January 1966 sessions - drummers etc

With one exception, I think Peter's posting accords with something I posted earlier - Levon up to 28 November 65, Bobby Gregg for shows in December 65 and sessions, Sandy Konikoff for the North American shows in 66 and Mickey Jones for the overseas shows.

The exception is Sandy K playing on the 21 January 1966 session. Peter quoted from Michael Gray's encyclopedia but I was never sure whether Michael G had got that information from Sandy Konikoff himself or whether he had simply used the session listing by Michael Krogsgaard published originally in THE TELEGRAPH (a Dylan fanzine) and used Olof Bjorner in his listing- see link.

Michael K certainly had access to the Columbia Records archive but, then, so did Clinton Heylin, who shows Bobby Gregg for that 21 January 1966 session, not Sandy Konikoff. I have no idea who is right but, perhaps, we'll get a better idea once the forthcoming (1965-1966 studio sessions) BOOTLEG SERIES comes out.

When it comes to the "sidemen", Dylan's three January 1966 sessions are fascinating. Just look at the link. The one on the 21st has Dylan backed by the Hawks (give or take whoever was the drummer) but, a few days later, it changes.

At the session on the 25th, Bobby Gregg ("Robert J Gregg" according to Michael Krogsgaard)is there, Robbie is on both songs and all takes - but Rick is on bass for one song and Bill Lee there for the other. Bill Lee played bass on a number of early Dylan sessions but I've only ever seen him with a stand-up bass. Did Bill Lee play an electric bass guitar? Or was "Leopard-skin Pill-box Hat" originally recorded with a stand-up bass? Why was Bill Lee there at all? And why no Richard and no Garth? It is almost a HIGHWAY 61 REVISTED line-us with Robbie substituting for Michael Bloomfield (too many "Michaels" here!).

Whatever, Richard and Garth were still not there at the session on 27th either but Paul Griffin and Al Kooper are kept on. Robbie is still there and Rick is back for the whole session - no Bill Lee.

And these sessions were long: on 21st, three 3-hour sessions; on 25th, three more 3-hour sessions; and, on 27th, a marathon 12 hour session according to Michael Krogsgaard. Moreover,further sessions had been booked but were cancelled: three 3-hour sessions booked for the 26th; one session for the 27th; another for 31st; and, finally, two 3-hour sessions booked for 4th February.

It seems to me that Dylan had originally planned to record what became BLONDE ON BLONDE entirely in New York before going out on tour again. For some reason, this changed. Certainly, he had not got enough material - he was still writing songs in the Nashville studios in March, with the musicians sitting around waiting - but the changes in the session musicians (not unknown in the past, I have to say) suggest that they were not achieving the "sound" he was after.

Perhaps the forthcoming, 1965-1966 studio sessions, BOOTLEG SESSION release will indeed provide some answers, as I said earlier. Perhaps not but maybe more information to chew on.

Finally, that version of "She's Your Lover Now" referred to in Peter's link was the one with a great performance that suddenly breaks down. The BOOTLEG SERIES VOLs 1-3 liner notes suggest that the cause of the breakdown is Dylan but his exclamation of "What!?!" suggests it lay elsewhere. I put my thoughts in a booklet I put out in 1991. What are your thoughts as to the cause of the breakdown?


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Four Drummers

I got interested in the "four drummers" of the 1965-66 Tour. No 2, Bobby Gregg, was a session man, in demand, and didn't want to travel (and because he was an in-demand session man, probably too expensive … or more than Bob wanted to pay.)

Sandy Konikoff, or #3, was The Hawks choice. We know from the notes on this site that he was very briefly a Hawk while they tried Levon on 2nd guitar. The Bob Dylan Wiki entry has this:

QUOTE: He was temporarily imported into Canada in RONNIE HAWKINS" Rolls-Royce to play drums while LEVON HELM was otherwise engaged, and there was a period when he"d be playing two sets in a club in Buffalo and then rushing up north to play two more in Canada on the same night. "I always felt I subbed for Levon," Konikoff says: "There was no way I could match him." The connection eventually secured him a place with the rest of THE HAWKS on the January 21, 1966 Dylan session, cutting that tremendous early Blonde on Blondeouttake 'She's Your Lover Now" (which emerged officially 25 years later on the Bootleg Series Vols.

Then ROBBIE ROBERTSON asked him to do the live 1966 tour with Dylan. "Ronnie Hawkins said I had to give him two weeks" notice or he"d break my legs," says Konikoff, "but Robbie told me he wouldn't really do anything." So, starting on February 4 in Louisville, Kentucky, and running through till March 26 in Vancouver, Canada, Sandy Konikoff was the drummer out there every night being shouted at and booed on the North American leg of the 1966 world tour. He says he wasn't much aware of the booing, but he felt swamped by the whole experience. "I was like the baby of the group. I was in a top 40 band in Michigan and I heard 'Subterranean Homesick Blues" on the radio and it just stopped me in my tracks - and a year later I was playing with them! And I was just struggling from the pressure and the mystique and the frustration of it all. I arrived in my mohair suit, you know, pretending I knew what "acid" meant, and so on. Bob was a really great guy but he never hung out with us much, and I lacked the courage to ask questions. and the sets were so short: things were going so fast." So when the tour moved on to Hawaii, Australia and Europe in April to July, Konikoff stayed behind, replaced by the louder, more volatile MICKEY JONES. "I"ll regret it to my grave that I prematurely left," says Sandy now. He stayed in California. UNQUOTE

Several points emerge. What does "When Levon was otherwise engaged" mean?

It's clear that he was recruited by The Hawks, who knew him well. Did he jump or was he pushed off the Dylan tour? Dylan had been courting Mickey Jones for a while … and the early 1966 section was on the West Coast.

If Sandy was the Hawks choice, and Dylan replaced him, did that affect their attitude to Mickey?


Entered at Sat Jul 25 23:06:42 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Golf

Watching the Canadian Open - they come back from a commercial break playing the Weight - And Jim Nance welcomes the viewing audience back to the Music of the "legendary Canadian Group- The Band". Nice Touch


Entered at Sat Jul 25 22:44:36 CEST 2015 from (87.144.175.59)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: No Charley Patton

Enjoyed Ian Tyson, thanks Angie.

22min. Cream (link)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 22:15:06 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Coach/whoever, the article you posted is 2.5 years old so maybe it did end and you didn't notice.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 21:49:40 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I'm no expert but I think Seán has nailed it.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 21:39:52 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Ian W: Technical difficulties. Stand by.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 18:36:43 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Ian Tyson pt 10 of 10 conclusion of Songs from the Gravel Road...."Love Without End".

At our Jazz Fest in The Beach....look alike Paul James was performing......many Dylan songs as well as his own. Also Connor Gains Band.....many others of course from many genres and styles of music, including jazz, latin, middle eastern, marching band, etc.

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 13:53:59 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa and Vancouver '66 - and Dylan cartoons

After a slight delay, because of time zone differences, I've now sent Lisa an e-mail with a few items - with a few more to follow. Thanks for your help with putting us in touch, JT and Norm.

I love that Dylan-related cartoon strip.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 13:42:45 CEST 2015 from (108.36.197.190)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: a find

On that dreaded ebay I found and bought a replacement Levon Helm and The Barnburners shirt! Paid $35+ for it but 'cest la vie. 8-9 years ago I was heartbroken to find that someone walked off with mine. I had used it as a placeholder on my chair at a crowded club and obviously someone couldn't resist it.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 12:13:52 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Half a century ago

Courtesy of The Guardian.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 07:07:29 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

© Me again, same IP address

Yes, I said it,

And you read it (here first),

Here and now,

Nobody dies of thirst.

Sweat to death?

Not just yet.

Encore? Please, no more.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:41:04 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

© me, my IP logged...

I typed a load of text,

Then I clicked 'Next'.

Timed out - WTF?

I think I know

When I've had enough.

I'm not a completist,

Not even a defeatist,

But sometimes you have to grow.

Then you go.

Maybe not gently, but please -

Just fukking go.

Please and thanks.

See you all in the Bar. :)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:25:49 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Nice to see mentions of British Columbia's Tom Northcott, who made many wonderful records in a recording career that stretched from the early '60s to the mid '80s. His first few, starting at about age 20, were on his own label, Syndrome; a couple of them are sought-after proto-punk (such as the one at the link). He was smart enough to also sign other acts to his label, notably the Collectors. Their first 45, "Looking At A Baby", was so good and did so well that Warner Brothers came knocking and bought or licenced the whole label and catalogue - and subsequent Collectors and Northcott records came out on either a special New Syndrome / WB label or on a regular WB label with a stylised NS on it. Northcott moved to LA and got in with Lenny Warronker at WB there. Turned out that Warronker liked his voice but not his songs (idiot!) so mostly had him recording covers of Nilsson, Randy Newman and others instead of Tom's originals. So he moved to London, where the producers liked his songs (a couple of which were covered by a psych group, the Explosive) but not his voice. He returned to Vancouver in about '69, around the time WB/NS released "The Best of Tom Northcott" LP. He continued to have local hits and in '71 or '72 released a second LP, "Upside Downside". The song to hear is "Iron Pines", but unfortunately it's not on YouTube that I can see. A stunning piece of songwriting and production.



Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:09:46 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks guys, you're the best! I haven't quite heard from Ian yet, but I'm sure it's coming.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 05:11:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Confirmation

Lisa and Ian: To be sure, confirm that you are in e-mail contact. Norm and I believe you are. Glad to help. Looking forward to your reports.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:49:13 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Contact..........of the 3rd degree

It-s a done deal Jerry.....-:)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:14:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Done

Ian, Lisa, Rockin' Chair Sent and Done!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:09:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Norm and Lisa

Norm : Please give Lisa my e-mail address. Thanks


Entered at Sat Jul 25 02:16:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: DYLAN AND THE HAWKS, 1965

Long Distance Operator [Wanted Man Music, 1CD]
Live at the Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley, CA; December 4, 1965. Good to very audience recording.

"There aren’t many Dylan bootlegs that aren’t already in the BigO archive, but here’s one. It’s a recording of a concert by Dylan and The Hawks, recorded December 4, 1965 at The Berkeley Community Center in Berkeley, California. Dylan is backed by Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Richard Manual, Rick Danko with Bobby Gregg on drums." - Philip Cohen

Rhythm Jimmy....Why are you not sharing more?????!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 02:03:08 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: e mails

Hi Lisa; Here's the story. When I moved back up island to Port Alice, I have a different provider. I was too stupid to save all my contact address info. Now I can't get back to it.

I do have Jerry's address now. Some how we'll figure this out. You can e mail me because no one will figure this out but you and Jerry.

tsolum666atgeemaildotcom........You should be able to decifre that -:)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:59:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Morgan Library and Museum

Bob Dylan’s American Journey, 1956-1966

September 29, 2006, through January 6, 2007

Hi Lisa! Sorry I can't help as I have both emails but not Ian W's. Please participate more as you have a lot to offer. Geeeee.....You saw The Hawks!!!!

Many thanks to PSB for sharing articles he wrote about Dyan and The Hawks. I still would like to see your article on Bob Marley.

JD....You went out of your way to obtain info for Ian's articles and we appreciate you for it.
I met Bill Avis in Cobourg but spoke more with his son Jerome Levon Avis. Apparently Bill Avis was also present at the Silver Dollar when I saw Levon and the Barn Burners but didn't know at the time.....You were also there but I hadn't met you as yet.....It was later at Hugh's Room for a Garth Hudson and Eric Andersen gig. I was with my friend Mr. Maximus.

Thank you Joan for usually sharing articles from the The New York Times. Hope you're doing well. :-D


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:40:13 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

JT, thank you for the offer, which I would gladly accept if I knew your email address. This has always been a stumbling block for me ... Norm actually has mine, though he probably doesn't know it and I'm not sure how often he checks in here. Does he have yours too? Or I could write the whole thing out in the phonetic alphabet - would a troll bother deciphering all that?


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:30:57 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: JT and Lisa

Thanks for the offer,JT. Please pass mine on to Lisa and, Lisa, if you could then e-mail me, I'll get one or two things off to you.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:10:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

Jt

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: facilitation

Ian and Lisa: I am happy to facilitate the exchange.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:06:19 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa

Thanks for the pointers. I've gone back, as suggested, and read through the various comments and enjoyed them as much as last time.I've now placed them into a separate document for filing.

As for sending you what I have, I'm happy to do so but I would need an e-mail address. How do we exchange addresses without letting the freaks, trolls and assorted snake oil salesmen in? Some folk here have my e-mail address and, if they have yours, perhaps they could facilitate an exchange.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 23:43:08 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Hm. There are people posting here using IP address spoofing and/or hiding behind proxys. Please go somewhere else with that s**t. Also, be very careful. Those "services" that enable you to hide your true IP-address, are also the most virus- and malware-infected web sites on the whole internet.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 23:34:52 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Dylan/Hawks 1966 concert

Wow, it was a lot farther back than I thought. How time flies ...

There's too much to copy here, as it goes on for a while with quite a few comments and additions, but starts at May 6 (2014) 20:11:46, main recollection at 23:56:26, beg posted the Vancouver set list at May 8 10:19:59, and your comments on their sound systems at May 8 10:36:23, Ian.

And yes, I'd be very happy to have anything you've got on that concert. It was a high point in a rather bleak Grade 12 year, and I've never forgotten it.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 20:02:14 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Web: My link

It never ends...


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:57:31 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan Goes Electric

From the New York Times, a review of Elijah Ward new book about 1965 and Dylan going electric. Good review.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:56:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa re Vancouver 1966

The short answer is "yes, please", Lisa.

The longer answer is that I am pleased to collect almost anything "paper" on Dylan but especially on or about him from the 1960s, when things were not documented so thoroughly as in later years. Also from the 1970s, when it was done only a touch better in this respect.

I have odd bits and pieces about the Vancouver '66 show - copies that is, not originals - if you are interested.



Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:40:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Human beans

A story this week in the UK is about the group of soccer fans, supporting Chelsea FC in Paris. They were filmed on the Paris Metro pushing a black Frenchman out onto the platform while chanting "We are racists." It's foreign jurisdiction, but Chelsea banning these guys is not, so it went to an English court of law. They have been banned from attending any football matches for five years.

But here's the funny bit. The group ringleader was an ex-police officer, who is now "Director of a Human Rights Organization."

Yet again reality exceeds fiction!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:20:19 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I always liked that story about Einstein and when buying his first house…..after listening to a banker ramble on for several minutes about the benefits of home ownership and the mortgages in particular, Einstein is reported to have thrown his hands in the air and said “well, I like to think I understand everything…..EXCEPT compound interest !”…………………….For me, it’s Time….baffles me regularly……..Looking at these pictures of The Hawks 1966 and thinking that just 10 short years later, The Last Waltz happened…....almost hard to believe.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:52:22 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks for the clarification, Bill - I misunderstood what you wrote.

Ian, Are you only interested in the 1965 concerts? A while ago I wrote about attending the March, 1966 concert in Vancouver. It's somewhere in the archives, but I've never had much success in finding previous posts. If you're interested I'll try, though.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:45:40 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Web: My link

Subject: My interview with Elijah Wald

I'm sure most of the people here are aware this weekend is the 50th Anniversary of Bob Dylan playing with a band at Newport. Elijah Wald has an excellent book about it, "Dylan Goes Electric," and the link is to brand new interview I did with him about Newport.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:39:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cigarettes

Not only are cigarettes linked to cardiovascular disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and malignancy, they have also now been incriminated in the causation of rheumatoid arthritis! Many good reasons to STOP now.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:10:49 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Last Puff of Smoke

Story for today (Non-music).

I had to collect my son from Heathrow, normally a 90 minute to 2 hour journey. It took us 4 ½ hours in rain on a July Friday at the start of school holidays heading to the coast. We were in constant traffic jams. In the New Forest we hadn’t moved for 5 minutes. A guy got out of a car two back and lit a cigarette, standing by the verge on a dual carriageway. Suddenly the traffic started moving very slowly, so he walked along still smoking. Then of course it speeded up a little and he started jogging, still taking puffs of his cigarette. Next we increased speed again and he was running flat out, but still taking puffs of his cigarette. I was looking in the mirrors. His companions didn’t seem to notice or possibly found it funny. In the end, I put on my hazard warnings and stopped until he caught up, still taking quick puffs, threw it away and jumped in. Well, at least he didn’t smoke in the car, I thought.

They say jogging’s good for you. Probably not if you smoke at the same time.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:00:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Scanning

If you don't have a scanner … try the camera on a smart phone. It will go in much closer than a 'proper' camera and I've used it to record lines of small text I've wanted to remember, and in a couple of cases ticket stubs where shops had some pinned up, and it was sharp enough to print in a book at 300 dpi. The other advantage is you can then simply e-mail it.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 17:56:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great stories from Rhythm Jimmy and John D.

Mickey Jones says he roomed with Garth, and also that they chose to return from the UK by sea together while the others flew. I think on the Queen Mary. Garth told us something about that in London.

On rooming, with five in the band, logically four doubled up on the World Tour, one didn’t. I’m sure there is a note that Rick and Richard roomed together. One to ask Bill Avis, John .

When I was working for a band in 1970, we had five in the band and two roadies. We usually booked three doubles, one single. We were told by management to switch rooming nightly to avoid cliques developing, and we did and it was a toss up between seven, not five, with the roadies sharing with band members equally. But whichever, the same person always got the single, by simply insisting that he wasn’t participating .

We assume The Hawks didn’t always double (at least they had separate rooms in Toronto in Cathy Smith’s story.) We know they had to pay their own accommodation on the Dylan tour, and you’d guess he was staying at more expensive hotels than they were used to, hence the economizing.

Levon says he told Robbie that he was leaving at the Hotel Irving in NYC where they had flown after the Washington show on the 28th … presumably to get a day of rest before recording on the 30th. As no one else knew about it and he “went to Robbie’s room” they weren’t sharing rooms in NYC, but then they were there for a few days, knew the city, and so presumably weren’t staying at the same place as Dylan, as they did on tour.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 16:08:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Sonny Goode Street

I forgot JT. Tom's album was really good and very popular for the time. It's nice to take a listen now and again.

I used to listen to the Water Boys long ago, and like many things you drift away from them.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:59:09 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: That Girl from the North 1 more time for me The best

That one is good Brown Eyes but Robert Plant does the best cover and there is tons, (of this song). This entire work and in particular the mandolin gives it a Keltic feel I really enjoy.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:58:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Write about your 1965 Dylan/Hawks concert experience

I ask all of you (humbly or maybe less than humbly, but I ask anyway) to please take the time and do what Rhythm Jimmy and PSB have done and write about your experiences with Dylan and the Hawks for those 1965 concerts which I listed below. Such descriptions will enlighten all of us who care about such things and will expand the (IMO) somewhat narrow understanding we have of this period. My request simply asks that those who were there expand the experience reflected by media, which often (not always - Fulford loved it!) was somewhat negative. This is contrary to what (few) others have written so far and seems to be the negative tone that these concerts have adopted. (My experience certainly was NOT negative as I have written here).

If you know someone who went and you did not, ask them to write and/or transcribe what they tell you. This is a critical period in music following the British explosion. Thank you.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:45:20 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mike Scott and the Waterboys

BEG: You, Lucretia and I seem to be the only ones who are extolling the virtues of Mike Scott. He is an 'unsung' hero of the lyric and his catalogue deserves to be mined. The rest of his band deserves the same immediate attention. He derives from Dylan and other troubadours of the times past and present and says so. The Waterboys' live performances are faithful to the recordings but bring an intensity to them that is energizing. I was amazed when the U.Victoria auditorium had empty seats. It was poor publicity, I think, plus a lack of knowledge of exactly who this band was and what it had done. I admit I never paid much attention to them as they came out of the 80s and I frankly didn't pay any attention to them in the 80s. I never read about the stellar lyrics then and only now as I go back to those wonderful albums do I see that Mike Scott and cohorts wrote some beautiful songs with exceptional melodies delivered with depth and heart that reach deep. This band should be explored by all here. Tell us what you think, please. It is one of my great pleasures at 67 to find yet another band to love. I'll watch the tour information to possibly hear Mike Scott and the Waterboys again. This band is in a renaissance. The new album vies with the best of what they did in the 80s with a vitality that is infectious.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:58:10 CEST 2015 from (67.84.205.226)

Posted by:

Ray

John D,

Cool beans on talking to Bill Avis! He was with the Band since 63 or 64? As I understand it Ronnie Hawkins was actually referring to Bill Avis (Big Time, Bill, Big Time!) and not Bill Graham during the Last Waltz?

Cool that you were there, know so many who where there & reach out to them, and are nice enough to pass it along!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:50:00 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: John D

Thanks for your posts on the topic.Fascinating discussion here!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:45:12 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: BEG; John D; Rhythm Jimmy

BEG: I have a fond memory of Robert Shelton's NEW YORK TIMES article on the Forest Hills concert. I reprinted it, in typescript form, in a small fanzine I published many years ago (35 years ago, in fact) and appended a copy of Bob's signature from some correspondence we'd had back then. When next our paths crossed, he introduced me, jokingly I have to say, to some other folk as the man who had purloined his signature.

Incidentally, the first time I ever saw EAT THE DOCUMENT (and it was a rare event back then), Bob Shelton was in the audience, too. Afterwards, I asked him if one of the journalists in the press conference scene was Max Jones. Bob replied, "Yes", adding, "In a rare sober moment", which was a bit rich for him, I have to say.

For those who don't know the name Max Jones, he was a long-standing journalist with MELODY MAKER, noted mainly for his jazz and blues articles. Dylan sought him out on his first UK visit and has been known to ask after him on later visits.

John D: Great to hear Bill Avis's recollections. Thanks.

Rhythm Jimmy: If you can, somehow, let me have your e-mail address, I'll get something to you. I have recently scanned the VARIETY report for a friend, so I know that's available quickly. I seem to recall that I printed both the TWIN CITY A GO GO report and the advert I mentioned in the fanzine I mentioned earlier, so I'll dig that out and scan it, so it's ready. Over to you.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:07:33 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Another great cover of Girl From The North Country by Joe Cocker and Leon Russell.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:41:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

August 30, 1965
Folk Singer Offers Works in ‘New Mood’ at Forest Hills

By ROBERT SHELTON

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:38:51 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!

Norm....Here is my absolute favourite cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country" by the WATERBOYS!

The fiddle playing again is superb.....Mike Scott's voice.....Doesn't he give good voice? The ooooohs he interjects.....the way he can sing covers as if he wrote them himself. The Waterboys are actually a group my older brother also really digs....whereas imagezulu.....lol....They're the same age....in their sixties.....but nope.....He wouldn't know a waterboy from a frat boy from a band boy......but he might recognize a rude boy.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:30:35 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Deleted passages Thu Jul 23 17:22:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Peter V posted kindly a deleted passage from TWOF. It feels so good to beat him with this deleted passage from Shakespeare's 'The Comedy Of Errors'

"Come, come: no longer will I be a fool,To put the finger in the eye and weep, Whilst man and master laugh my woes to scorn, Come, sir to dinner. Levon, keep the gate. Husband, I'll dine above with you to-day, And shrive you of a thousand idle pranks. Robbie, if any asks you for your master, Say he dines forth, and let no creature enter."

Happy Thirsty Thursday. Tomorrow is a long time.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:27:05 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Norm. I wasn't aware of his cover because I tend to listen more to rock or soul covers of songs. I forgot that I also have Rod Stewart's cover which I like simply because of his voice.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 11:55:36 CEST 2015 from (70.193.175.83)

Posted by:

David P

Great work John D for contacting Bill Avis to share his recollections of events. His first hand account is enlightening. The oil rig story is priceless.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 10:52:43 CEST 2015 from (92.81.219.35)

Posted by:

grow

Web: My link

I benefit from reaԁing through your websіte. Thanks a ton! 


Entered at Fri Jul 24 06:44:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Tom Northcott

Norm: One of our own. BC has done well. I remember Tom Northcott and his contributions. He apparently studied law as well as engaging in commercial fishing (I read that). At another time, he could have gone far but Canada was not a big player in that scene. Even Bruce Cockburn moved slowly in those years. Any Canadian who made it went to USA as you and everyone else well knows. His songs are great.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 05:21:25 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.15)

Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: Here's what I posted on July 17, at 7.42.48, apropos the role of "The Stones I Throw" in Levon's departure:

In other news, I think the phrase "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed" is a misleading excerpt from the unwritten "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed playing somebody else's tunes when he could have been touring, as the leader of his own hot band, in support of a recording of their own original songs, which had recently been released on a consequential label and which was already climbing the charts back in their stomping grounds up north and could do well all over the place if they played their cards right - but those other guys got cold feet or something."


Entered at Fri Jul 24 04:42:22 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: To Ian W

I don't have a scanner but could have a scan made if we can make arrangements for sending it. The actual artefact wll be presented to my friend Davey the Dylanophile, although he doesn't know it yet.

The Tribune was the morning paper in Minneapolis; the Star was the evening paper. The Tribune was published on Sunday, but not the Star. My guess is that if there was any notice in the press of the Nov. 5 show, it would have been in the Saturday Star (Nov. 6) or the Sunday Tribune (Nov. 7).

The two papers merged some years ago. Their successor is called StarTribune (no city name). Try newspaperarchive dot com.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 04:21:12 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Still here in Mill City, Jeff.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:31:57 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks John D & Jimmy. Lots of interesting stuff. Long ago a very reliable source had told me Levon never did work on an oil rig, but I wasn't about to write it. So it's nice to have some one else with a reliable nameable source to report it. Cutting Dylan's hair, yeah woulda been biblical... Jimmy, thanks for your recollections. Are you still in Minnie?


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:28:29 CEST 2015 from (24.114.74.198)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bravo, John D !


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:19:59 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Massey Hall November of ' 65 and Where Levon Went.

OK. Just got off the phone with Bill Avis. Bill was the road manager for Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks and Bob Dylan & The Hawks. I've got good news and bad news.

First. He obviously remembers the Toronto shows; but can't be 100% sure if Levon was there or not. He leans towards he was still there; but again can't say for sure.

He remembers the Washington show really well for one reason only. Some guy tried to get his girlfriend to get a lock of Dylan's hair. She got close; with her pair of scissors; but Bill and Bobby Neuwirth got her away just in time.

. Regarding Levon leaving. Yes it's true he only told Robbie. The next morning Robbie announced to everyone that Levon had left the group, late the night before. Where did he go? Some interesting stuff I'd never heard before. First he did go back to Arkansas. Then it was off to the Gulf to work on an oil rig. Well, he had no experience. He didn't have a trade to do the job. So; after buying his boots he was put on a painting crew. It didn't take long for someone to recognize his name. They wanted him to play and sing for them. There wasn't any drums on the rig; but Levon had brought some harps with him.

The guys asked him to sing and play harp; which he was happy to do. It wasn't long before he wasn't painting anymore; but singing and playing harp for the guys. I have no idea how long he wAs there; but it's a story I've never heard; until tonight. Sorry there wasn't a 100% verification; on Levon playing Massey Hall in November of '65; but Bill does lean on that he was indeed there.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:14:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Minneapolis 65

Terrific stuff, Rhythm Jimmy.

I have a copy of an advert dated 10 Oct 65; it sounds bigger than the one you have and was one of the "An Evening With Bob Dylan" design - similar picture of Dylan by the sounds of it. It just mentions mail order from the downtown ticket office, not the other place.

I think VARIETY gave sales figures. I can check but he all but sold out the venue and it was quite big for that tour.

He arrived early and went round his old haunts looking for Tony Glover.

The Minneapolis Tribune would surely have reviewed the concert, probably the next day (the Saturday edition) or perhaps on the Monday. Did they do a Sunday paper? The local library will surely have it on file somewhere.

There was also a brief report, months and months later (and I mean the summer of 1966) in VARIETY, too. I have the text of this somewhere. I do have a photocopy of the TWIN CITY A GO GO report on the visit. I would have to dig it out but I can supply a copy if you want it.

I would love to see a scan if your ticket stub and the small advert, if we can arrange something. Forgive me but, from a historical perspective, this sort of thing has to be pinned down now. As you say, it's 50 years ago already and who knows what will turn out to be important in the years to come and what less so.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 01:27:55 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lisa / Levon leaving

I read that as well Lisa. I'm not sure what Bill meant; but I'm sure the release of Stones That I Throw had nothing to do with Levon leaving. Where he went is still somewhat of a mystery. It's written he went to work on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico and others say he went back to Arkansas. I really don't know.

I've been trying to reach Bill Avis for the last 24 hours. He was very close to Levon and stayed with the Hawks and Dylan; after Levon left. There is a lot written that various people have been quoting; but besides Robbie and Garth, Bill was there for it all. He'll have some answers hopefully. Take care Lisa.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 01:25:32 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: 1965

JT, I am pleased that you appreciate my recollections. In reviewing my memorabilia, I am struck by the small size of the ad and the modest prices of the tickets. By way of comparison, if I remember correctly, in those days a movie ticket in our town cost 50 cents for children under age 16, 75 cents for children age 16 or older, and $1.00 for adults. From about 1964 through about 1966, my best friend and I went to the movies every Friday night, probably 48 Fridays a year, no matter what was playing.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 00:28:39 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Recalling Dylan and the Hawks in 1965

Rhythm Jimmy: That is superb! Thank you for doing this. It is hard to remember everything but recollections like this is exactly what will help us all understand.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 23:37:42 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Minneapolis, 1965

JT, your post prompted me to excavate a box of memorabilia from way back in my closet, to find that old ticket stub. For what it may be worth, here are my recollections.

In 1965, the year in which I turned 14 years old, I was becoming something of a fan of Bob Dylan. I remember in the spring of that year hearing "The Times They Are a-Changin' " on the British Top Ten, broadcast weekly by a local radio station (KDWB, AM 630), and sometime that summer I acquired "Bringing It All Back Home," the first record I ever bought—the mono version, to play on my family's old Magnavox console. It cost $3.33 at the Rexall Drug, which was a lot of money for me to spend in those days (the stereo version, which I couldn't play anyway, cost a dollar more). By November 1965 I must also have been familiar with "Highway 61 Revisited." Probably it was the second record I bought.

As on other dates in the 1965–1966 tour, the performance in Minneapolis on November 5, 1965, consisted of two sets, a solo acoustic set and an "electric" set, separated by an intermission of about half an hour. Dylan performed half a dozen or so songs in the first set, including "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Desolation Row," with which I was familiar from the recorded versions. I probably knew some of the other songs performed, but I don't remember them.

After the intermission, Dylan played in front of a five-piece band, unknown to me. During the first song of the electric set, his microphone was not working. We could see him leaning into the mike to sing, but there was no sound of his voice. Apparently he was unaware of the problem during the song. When the problem was fixed during the break between the first song and the second, he spoke one word into the mike: "G*d," in an exasperated tone. It was the only word he spoke from the stage that night.

I do not remember any of the songs performed in the electric set. Possibly some of them were later recorded for "Blonde on Blonde," which had not yet been released.

I don't know the attendance at this show, but there were surely many hundreds present. Some of the audience were the first hippies I ever saw or at least were dressed in a style that a few years later I would recognize as "hippie." As a well-behaved youth, I was, of course, dressed in jacket and necktie.

There was no booing at this show, or if there was it was so confined that I was not aware of it.

Tony Glover (of Koerner, Ray, and Glover) was well connected in the local music scene then. My guess is that he would have been backstage that night. I read somewhere that Glover said he had taught Dylan to play cross-harp.

I saved my ticket stub. Half of the part of the ticket showing the price is torn off, but it looks like we were in the $4.50 seats on the main floor.

Also, I saved an ad for the concert, clipped from the Minneapolis Tribune, probably from the Sunday before the show. It is a small ad, only about the size of a matchbox, enclosed in a black border, which is about 1-11/16 by 2-1/2 inches. The copy is as follows: Bob Dylan / [illustration] / MPLS. AUDITORIUM FRI., NOV. 5–8:30 P.M. / TICKETS AVAILABLE AT DOWNTOWN / TICKET OFFICE, CARGILL BLDG., MPLS. / and FIELD-SCHLICK, ST. PAUL / PRICES: $2 - $2.50 - $3 - $3.50 - $4.50 - $5.50. The illustration is a high-contrast photo or silhouette of Dylan in profile, facing left, with hair length about like that on the cover of "The Times They Are a-Changin'." The band was not mentioned.

I wish I could remember more. It was, after all, nearly 50 years ago, and I was just a boy.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 23:22:33 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

The only boot I've heard from Forest Hills was taped in the audience, and the anger is palpable. PSB's description is quite accurate.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:43:23 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Aggression

Lisa and Peter Stone Brown: It all sounded very aggressive. I have not read that anything like that happened at any other venues to the degree described. Kind of disgusting, I'd say. These were the same people who were going soon to be into love and kindness and understanding. Human beings!. An interesting species.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:32:10 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Typo

Along, not alone ...


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:26:27 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Forest Hills

Al Kooper's take on the incident:

Our instruments were pushed into place and we walked out on stage. Suddenly an ill-timed wind whipped through the stadium, dropping the temperature at least ten degrees in as many seconds. The crowd stirred at the sound of the tentative drum rolls and guitar tunings; an ominous rumble from the other side of the darkness.

The lights went up and we were into "Tombstone Blues" full force, but the audience got quiet. Too quiet. The wind churned around the stadium and blew Dylan's hair this was and that, as if reprimanding him for this electric sacrilege. The conclusion of the song was greeted with the boos all these kids had read so much about and probably felt obliged to deliver. Of course, the barrage was peppered with "Dylan, you scumbag! ... Get off the fucking stage!" and other subtle pleasantries characteristic of our generation.

Bob didn't flinch. He just bulled his way straight through the hour-plus set. It seemed that even the hero worshippers were unusually aggressive on this particular evening. They'd try to claw their way onto the stage to make contact with Dylan, and the police were sparing no tactic to keep them back. One kid was chased behind me by a cop and as he flew by, he hooked his leg on my stool, taking me with him as he went down. I was on my ass and not the least bit pleased about the situation.

Three-quarters of the way through, Dylan stood at the piano to play "Ballad Of A Thin Man", a song from the as-yet-unreleased Highway 61 album. It had a quiet intro, and the kids persisted in yelling and booing all the way through it. Dylan shouted out to us to "keep playing the intro over and over again until they shut up!" We played it for a good five minutes - doo do da da, do da de da - over and over until they did, in fact, chill. A great piece of theater. When they were finally quiet, Dylan sang the lyrics to them: "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you?" It was almost as if he'd written the song knowing full well that the moment would come when he'd sing it to a crowd like this one. Just like "Baby Blue" at Newport. It was lovely. We then segued into "Like A Rolling Stone", which was number one on the charts that week. Everyone sang alone, and then booed when it was over!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:08:35 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Girl From The North Country (brown eyed girl)

Brown eyed girl, not sure if you ever heard Tom Northcott from Campbell River on the island here. He covered this song many years ago. Many people consider it the best cover. You decide.

Tom is now a retired fisherman living in Prince Rupert.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:04:07 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

John, thank you for that. There are so many acronyms here I find them hard to follow sometimes!

Bill M referred to this song having something to do with Levon's leaving, but didn't say exactly what. If it's not too long a story, could you fill me in? I can't seem to find any other reference to it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:55:00 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thank you

Thank you, PSB. So much H..S being espoused as stories get told and retold and after a while become 'truth'. Its good that you correct the record at least for those who care about such things.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:49:34 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lisa

Lisa, just short form for the Levon and The Hawks record, THE STONES THAT I THROW.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:22:40 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

I'm following everything here with great interest, but for the second time STIT has been mentioned. What does this mean?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:22:21 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Web: My link

Subject: Forest Hills

Dan Kramer is correct, it would have been physically impossible to throw stuff on the stage at Forest Hills. The audience was in the stands, the stage was in the playing field. There wasn't seating or standing near the stage. That said, a bunch of kids did run across the field and onto the stage several times. The vibe in the stadium was not good, and I remember thinking it was quite possible a riot could break out. The link is to an article I wrote ten years ago about it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 20:01:03 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mickey Jones

In the early 70's I did an interview with Mickey Jones. I spent at least half an hour on his time with the Hawks. I have to get the tape "baked" to hear it again. I believe he and Garth were roommates on the tour. A very nice and jovial man. JT may have heard STIThrow the second night; but they did not perform alone the first night.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:47:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Ben. Here's Buddy Cage's road stories from Festival Express.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:43:22 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

THE CANADIAN SQUIRES / LEVON AND THE HAWKS


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:36:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 (correction)

That was 1965, of course, not 2015, though wouldn't it be nice.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:36:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W....Another large poster of The Hawks as well as another recollection.

The Hawks with Levon Helm on vocals, September 18, 1961:

What A Party
Farther Up The Road
She’s Nineteen

Levon & The Hawks, Texas, 1964:
You Don’t Know Me

The Canadian Squires, 45 single, 1964:
Leave Me Alone

Levon & The Hawks, 45 single, Atco, 1965:
He Don’t Love You The Stones I Throw


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:33:40 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Mr. Jones, the not so Thin Man

An intangible plus for Mickey Jones was that he'd proven his reliablitiy on the road. He'd done international tours with both Trini Lopez and Johnny Rivers. As he'd begun playing with Lopez in Texas around the same time as Levon joined Ronnie Hawkins, it's quite possible that they crossed paths playing in the same places back then.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:31:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Silver, invectives, and journalism

As Dylan so eloquently said the following world tour 1966: "I don't believe you. You're a liar! Shut your .... mouth!".

I find this difficult to believe. I was in that room on Nov. 15, 2015. Maybe I was blind and deaf that evening, but I sure heard Dylan and the Hawks.He makes it sound like a mob frothing collectively at the mouth. There was no such thing.

Scooping up the silver? Give me a break!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:30:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

Many thanks, BEG.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:02:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W....Also, click on previously posted article for full size if you don't already have a copy.
Review of Bob Dylan’s performance at Massey Hall, the Telegram, November 15, 1965.

"As happened elsewhere, the audience split when Dylan hit the Massey Hall stage. There was booing and hissing when the electricity was turned on for the second set. Somebody sarcastically yelled out “Elvis!” A few people left the building. One irate fan complained to the Globe and Mail that Dylan had become “a cheap imitation of the Beatles.” Newspaper reviews are laughable in hindsight. The Globe and Mail’s Bruce Lawson treated the performance as the interview he couldn’t secure with Dylan before the show. The Star’s Antony Ferry was filled with bile, calling Levon and the Hawks “a third rate Yonge Street rock n’ roll band” whose noise drowned out Dylan’s message. “That great voice, a wonderfully clean poet’s voice, is buried under the same Big Sound that draws all the Screamies to a Beatle orgy of pubescent kids at Maple Leaf Gardens.” Ferry’s Star colleague Robert Fulford disagreed; he found the acoustic half boring, while the electric set offered “great waves of sound roaring off the stage in marvellously subtle rhythms…It’s Dylan’s own new thing. I love it.” The Telegram’s Barrie Hale felt Dylan could lose the fussier members of the audience, and that the performance demonstrated that his new sound was picking up new fans. “They know something is happening there, they just don’t know what it is, but they dig it.”


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:01:02 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: fans give Dylan and Hawks no quarter

JT: In '65 'sarcastic dime' was the smallest Canadian coin minted in silver. Throwing pieces of copper or pieces of nickel would have had no tie with Judas Iscariot and the metal his payoff was made from - a very repulsive association yet one that was made elsewhere as well. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that 1965 was the last year that any everyday Canadian currency was minted from silver.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:43:17 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Biscuits. Sauce or Gravy?

Speaking of tea biscuits, there's an Italian bakery nearby that makes these amazing tea biscuits. with or without a patch of vanilla icings on top. But always with just the perfect amount of raisins inside. They are pretty nice sized. I never had or saw a tea biscuit before but when i saw these, somehow i knew what they were..... the bakery is 6 short Brooklyn blocks( NYC has short & long blocks) from the house i grew up in, and about a mile and a half (9 long Brooklyn blocks, or 30 short ones) from where i live now. First time i got one of these tea biscuits with the bakeries amazing coffee, i thought to myself, well, they are excellent, but would go better with tea. However, i stuck with the coffee and by the third time decided it's a winning combination.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:37:40 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Apologies to rock fiddle player......STEVE WICKHAM.....He's the special ingredient with The Waterboys who uses a "fuzz fiddle" technique while playing rock music......."He identifies Lou Reed, Van Morrison, Toni Marcus, and Mozart as musical influences, amongst others,[5] and Mick Ronson.[4]"....I've also posted before the best cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country". When I'm boiling mad I play, "It Should Have Been You".


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:31:36 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

And Glen Frey said he wore out his copy of MFBP.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:28:54 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mike Scott and the Waterboys

'The Pan Within'- thank you. Brilliant performance by Mike Scott and the Waterboys. I came to them late and listen to them all the time now. (including older albums)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:22:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, in my imagination one of the deleted passages from ‘TWOF” just swam into my head.

‘Toronto they was throwin’ these sarcastic dimes, you know, like we was busking in the subway. I’ll tell you what, I’m sitting in the back there, and Robbie’s right at the front where them dimes are landing. I seen him scoopin’ ‘em on up, and after the show, he must’ve had three or four dollars in his hand. Did he share them with the guys? No way! I calculate he still owes me 60 or 70 cents.’


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:16:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I was lucky to have seen them in the eighties with Wallinger.....I think.....I've read articles where he states he's still bitter.....but wishes Mike Scott well. Oh well.....when you have two songwriters....I do remember however, that I left satisfied after this show which took place in my present hood. He spoke of his fondness for Van and sang....."Sweet Thing".

Song for the day..."The Pan Within".....Always looooove how at times he's talking to you and the songwriting and singing......Huge fan of Mike Scott and The Waterboys!!!!!!

Don Henley's connection to the Band.....He referred to his new recording as Americana and some of the songs were influenced by the songs he heard on the radio while driving with his Dad.....connection to Levon.

Queen East in The Beach....will be closed for the next few days as our Jazz Fest (not really...lol) takes place. I always check it out with one of my friends who lives there. We always go tonight as the crowds won't be as crowded like sardines. She's the one I visited in South Africa as she had a home there in the suburb of Cape Town where JT's partner has family as well....Unbelievable that we were there at the same time? Christmas 2004 to New Year's 2005....two weeks in Fish Hoek. Unfortunately we were out one day when Nux from the GB called to say helloooooo.

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:08:40 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Mickey Jones

Yes, Jeff, I agree - entirely different things but Mickey Jones had expected to continue touring with Dylan after the shows in Europe. Dates were lined up but the format was due to change for some of them. The cancelled show at Shea Stadium, for example, would have had Peter, Paul and Mary opening and an electric Dylan closing. Mickey mentioned this when most people knew nothing of it and then a flyer or some such turned up. I think Dylan liked Mickey's heavy hand.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:47:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Gee, didn't Mickey Jones claim that he was invited to join the Four Who Stayed after Dylan's accident?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:25:15 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ian, fulfilling payment regarding the term of a contract, & what the reality, length, and depth of an actual musical or musical performance relationship is, are entirely different things.



Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:15:21 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

The article mentioning "sarcastic dimes" is not the best quality but it sure looks like "sarcastic dimes" to me. The journalist did stress that very few people did this. Also that those who approved outnumbered those who did not.

My comment about the cops fronting the stage in Washington is based a photo in a local publication called "DC Monuments", which reprinted a number of press bits and pieces from Dylan's visits to the area in the 1960s. The photo probably comes from a microfilm in a library, so again is not the best quality. There are certainly four or five cops visible and, if those are lights reflecting off of cap badges further away from the camera, then at least seven cops. And, from the angle of the camera relative to the stage, there would have been more on the far side - I'd guess at least 10 or 12 in all. This was in the solo acoustic set, too.

I seem to recall things were said to have been thrown on the stage at Forest Hills, though photographer Dan Kramer said that would have been physically impossible - but, then, there's a difference between throwing things AT the stage and succeeding in getting those things ON TO the stage. And, back in Manhattan after the show, Dylan asked a girl if she liked the show and, when she replied that she didn't much like the "new music" but hadn't booed, Dylan said she should have booed, should have made her feeling known. It is clear from Kramer's book that Dylan had anticipated the adverse reaction and went ahead anyway. Of course, he was well aware that "Like a Rolling Stone" was rising in the charts.

PSB, there was a report on the Newark show in one of those New Jersey nostalgia newspapers some years back. I think they covered Dylan's trips to East Orange, too.

Mickey Jones: Mickey was more than a fill-in drummer, IMHO,since he had a contract that lasted longer than the "overseas" tour. Was it 2 years? I can't rightly recall but it is on file somewhere. And Dylan continued to pay him, in full, in accordance with that contract long after the accident. It was no short-term arrangement, which is what I would associate with the term "fill in".


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:01:44 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, your twice stated premise re Jones & The Last Waltz ignores RR's reason for The Last Waltz. And also ignores what The Last Waltz has served to be.

Now Pete, you are a little slow on the up take ... I never suspected you of being creepy perverted in the spying sense. " Pete's been toying with us all and manipulating our most private and precious Band feelings and notions, well, maybe just to try to sell this GB as a premise for a reality TV show." But one could take this GB and use it as premise for an absolutely horrible premise of putting a couple dozen of us at Big Pink and shangri La for a few weeks of free for all. Guest musicians, interviewers, writers, critics, a big fucking OY.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:48:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rosalind

Pete: Find the Waterboys song of the current album 'You Married The Wrong Guy, Rosalind". (you should have married me!).

One of many great songs on a stellar album.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:45:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Reality TV

Damn, Jeff - I thought you'd never get it. We're editing the first 3000 hours of recordings at the moment. But you still haven't found that hidden camera. Here in the control room we're all looking forward to watching you trying to find it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:43:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

(sigh) My point was only that with Mickey, they could have paid tribute to one of the greatest moments in their shared history. Nothing to do with drumming at all. Incidentally, I have to say I would take the "Live 66" Like A Rolling Stone over both the IOW one and the Before The Flood one … first for Dylan's voice and attitude on Live 66, but also it was a magic moment. it all fitted.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:43:07 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- it wouldn't be reality TV without Rosalind.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:39:58 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

PSB, Ben, Y' know, Pete's recent argument that Mickey Jones belonged at the Last Waltz, and thinking back etc etc, it all sheds a new light on many things. So many of these positions Pete comes up with are so out there, and Pete's rah rah rah sis boom bah enthusiasm and often singlemindedness so focused and not in perpective to an otherwise feet on the ground middle aged earl grey sipping grandpa..... well, maybe :-), just maybe.... Pete's been toying with us all and manipulating our most private and precious Band feelings and notions, well, maybe just to try to sell this GB as a premise for a reality TV show. You never know with Pete, he's always working on this & that. While I'm not in favor of reality TV, i'd easily understand all if he's just trying to put some jam & tea biscuits on the table :-)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:39:09 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Hammond Jr. 1992 and not 1976

Speaking of John Hammond Jr, I've wanted to hear his performance at Bobfest 92 for a long time now. It was not put on any of the commercial releases (audio or video) and apparently occurred early and before the show was filmed. I'd love to hear it. Anyone?

I absolutely agree that he should have been at TLW and wonder why he wasn't.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:23:51 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Mickey Jones and 65 shows and other stuff

The idea of having Mickey Jones at The Last Waltz is just silly. Ultimately, while being a great propulsive drummer, in the end Jones was a fill-in drummer for one tour. The most egregious non-invitation was John Hammond Jr. Jesse Winchester couldn't be there for obvious reasons, but others who might have taken part were Carly Simon and Hirth Martinez.

I've written about Dylan's '65 Newark, NJ show several times. One is linked above. There were two I'm pretty sure rent a cops on either side of the stage, meaning there was one cop on each side. There was no booing. A month earlier at Forest Hills, there was a lot of comedy between the NYC police and a bunch of young teenage boys who ran onto the stage followed by the cops running in and around the musicians while they were playing.

I've always felt Robbie tended towards exaggeration when he talked about people in the audience throwing stuff.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:11:39 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Henley, Band Connection,

Pete, I'm kinda shocked that of all people you'd ask what the Band connection is to a news story of Don Henley getting ready to release a new album after he finishes an Eagles tour.
The Band connection is that Henley is a definitive Eagle and you've always insisted that Rick would have thrived and been a successful and likely choice as bass player in the Eagles. I don't recall if your original mention came up with you thinking him as correct from the start of The Eagles, or as a replacement for Meisner, but, you've always championed Rick as a good fit as an Eagle & even discussed the timing making sense. Some would say that's a solid Band connection. Other's might scoff... Now tenuous as a fan's insistence actually creating a solid Band connection might be, I guess it's at least as solid a Band connection as the one that leads to your position that Mickey Jones belonged at The Last Waltz.. This is after all, just a fan forum...


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:11:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: He Don't Love You

Having picked “AT The Club” off the shelf, it is one of the very best examples of what I was listening to in clubs in 1966. I took it to the car and have played He Don’t Love You half a dozen times this morning. it confirms my previous thoughts … had this side (NOT The Stones I Throw) been promoted in the UK in May 1966 alongside the Dylan tour, history would be different. Atlantic should have asked them to stay a week after Dylan, got them on Ready Steady Go and Top of The Pops. Spencer Davis was riding high with Keep On Running and Somebody Help Me. Lee Dorsey was at the peak of UK popularity. It’s exactly the record for May 66. It would have been certain Top 5 with the right pushing. Still, you have to be careful with alternative history. They didn’t need Levon for the vocals on this track, and Mickey could have played it BUT in that alternative history, perhaps the Basement and Big Pink would never have happened.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 14:24:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!

What, I wonder, are 'sarcastic dimes'? I don't know if these reporters sat through the entire show and I certainly don't want to doubt their credibility. However, when one reads comments like this, one gets the impression that a revolution by an angry mob had broken out in a reaction to this crass perceived commercialism. Let me set the record straight, despite these comments. There was no revolution on November 15. If there were jeers, they were more than drowned out by cheers. The audience was positive at both the solo AND the accompanied performance by Dylan. It may have been otherwise at other venues. Hopefully, we will hear from others who can attest to their presence at these shows. By the way, I'd believe Robert Fulford easily over the others.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 14:13:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

I can't say what happened as I wasn't there. The headline in the GLOBE AND MAIL was that Dylan was booed. The headline in the TELEGRAM said "Jeers, Cheers For Dylan" (referring to the split in the audience - a few walked out, a very few threw "sarcastic dimes" and "scores of them ... storming the stage". The STAR said Dylan had gone commercial and quoted several phrases shouted by fans during the electric set, expressing anger and disappointment. A few days later, Robert Fulford said he disagreed with these reports.

In terms of storming the stage and a (potentially?) adverse reaction, there was a line of DC's finest in front of the stage in Washington on 28 November. Did Dylan's people seek this? Had the promoter heard what had happened elsewhere? What prompted this?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:51:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Minneapolis Nov. 5: Dylan and the Hawks

Rhythm Jimmy: You were there in Minneapolis on Nov. 5. Though you may have nothing to add in terms of 'historical significance', your comments and impressions of that show (even at age 14), are relevant and important to me. Can you share anything you recall and were there others with you who might remember?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:44:07 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, the Mickey Jones interview is a fun read. He does seem like a natural storyteller. But, I wouldn't take anything he says as the gospel truth without a secondary source of verification. I get the impression that a lot of the stories he tells have been embellished and changed over the years.

I was surprised to read that he goes back to the 50's with Ronnie Hawkins and Levon. But I found his comment about Levon leaving the Dylan tour due to a nervous breakdown a bit suspect.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:28:51 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Olof Bjorner

Sorry: That is from Olof Bjorner's page (it corrected me incorrectly) (without the umlaut or whatever it is called in Scandinavia)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:26:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 Bob Dylan with The Hawks

OK: So (from Bjorne's excellent documentation), here are the shows listed for the later 1965 period.

I would ask those who attended these shows to comment on them in any way they see fit to 'fill in' some of the gaps we may have about these shows. Any impressions or comments are welcome. This may help make us understand better what went down during those wonderful times.

August 28 New York City, New York Forest Hills Tennis Stadium

September 3 Los Angeles, California Hollywood Bowl

24 Austin, Texas Austin Municipal Auditorium

25 Dallas, Texas Southern Methodist University Coliseum

October 1 New York City, New York Carnegie Hall

2 Newark, New Jersey Symphony Hall, Mosque Theater

Baltimore, Maryland Civic Center

8 Knoxville, Tennessee Knoxville Civic Coliseum

9 Atlanta, Georgia City Auditorium

16 Worcester, Massachusetts Memorial Auditorium

Princeton, New Jersey Princeton University

22 Providence, Rhode Island Rhode Island Auditorium

23 Burlington, Vermont UVM Patrick Gymnasium

24 Detroit, Michigan The Masonic Auditorium

29 Boston, Massachusetts Back Bay Theater

30 Hartfort, Connecticut Bushnell Memorial Auditorium

31 Boston, Massachusetts Back Bay Theater

Madison, Wisconsin Orpheum Theater

November 5 Minneapolis, Minnesota Auditorium

Yellow Springs, Ohio Antioch College

12 Cleveland, Ohio Music Hall

14 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Massey Hall

15 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Massey Hall

18 Cincinnati, Ohio Music Hall

19 Columbus, Ohio Veterans Memorial Auditorium

20 Buffalo, New York Kleinhans Music Hall

21 Syracuse, New York Onondaga County War Memorial

26 Chicago, Illinois Arie Crown Theater

J 27 Chicago, Illinois Arie Crown Theater

28 Washington, DC Washington Coliseum

December 1 Seattle, Washington

3 Berkeley, California Community Theate

r 4 Berkeley, California Community Theater

5 San Francisco, California Masonic Memorial Auditorium

7 Long Beach, California Civic Auditorium

8 Santa Monica, California Civic Auditorium

9 Pasadena, California Civic Auditorium

10 San Diego, California Community Concourse Theater

11 San Francisco, California Masonic Memorial

12 San Jose, California Civic Auditorium

18 Pasadena, California Civic Auditorium

19 Santa Monica, California Civic Auditorium



Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:07:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Need to check, but somewhere I recall Robbie (I think) saying they didn't get booed in the South or in Toronto.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:54:43 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: My take on Nov. 15, 1965

Ian W: I want to note that at the Nov. 15, 1965 Massey Hall show, I heard no boos or loud negative remarks regarding the second half of the show. From my perspective, the show was well received, despite what may have happened at other previous shows at other times. Perhaps John D can comment on if he heard boos etc on Nov. 14.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:44:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mickey mentions in the interview about how his role was sidestepped when Levon was asked about 1966 and didn't say he wasn't there. But there was a united conspiracy of reticence about Levon’s leaving and absence for years. It didn’t fit the story of them being together as one unit for years which was mythologized. I’m not sure when it started to get discussed. Certainly when I bought the Royal Albert Hall bootleg in early 1971 and everyone was talking about “The Band” backing Dylan, we all thought it was Levon. Drummer friends noted a change of style, but hey, it was two and a half years before MFBP. We hadn't heard any Hawks stuff to compare it with. Anyway, it was exciting playing. Maybe 1976 and TLW was even before the story was known widely. No Google image search then!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:25:11 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, With all due respect, Dylan and the Band paid homage to the '66 tour by performing 'Baby, let me follow you down' and 'I don't believe you' at the last waltz. I don't think the addition of Mickey Jones was warranted and I've never heard anyone besides you bring it up.

If we follow your logic, should Mike Bloomfield and Al Kooper have replaced Robbie and Garth on LARS as well? The fact is the last waltz was a Band event with Dylan as guest, not a Dylan event. Now, maybe Mickey Jones should have been invited to Bobfest.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:18:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mickey interview

The Carol Caffin interview with Mickey Jones is a good one to re-read. He actually says Robbie barely said hello. There’s a bit of audition etiquette there. If you cast people you know, you don’t have to audition them. If someone you know auditions without telling you in advance, you are put on the spot in an open audition. Everyone else thinks, ‘So why did we bother to come? This guy obviously has it.’ There’s also something I’ve experienced, where a new director isn’t going to cast someone who knew him back in the day. A new producer or director wants to keep a distance. It happened with a director when I wanted to cast an actor friend we had worked with years earlier when the new boss was the assistant, getting the coffee. No way, even though I’d written the part with the actor in mind. I can see why.

However, the pleasant thing to do was stay aloof in the audition but phone the guy later and chat. But who knows?

The other thing is how “uncurious” he must have been, Mickey says he asked Ronnie years later what had happened to Levon. You think they might have mentioned it on the tour. But I corresponded with Mickey years ago. Always entertaining, always generous with his time. And yes, he had a great right foot. I still play "Live at PJs" and the drumming is great.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 11:47:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian W - against that is Levon says in TWOF that when he left he only told Robbie, and the others were surprised to find him gone in the morning. I would guess that he knew he wasn't dropping out of shows thus causing them serious problems, because they had the NYC sessions booked and he knew that in NYC they could find a good session guy.

Ben … I think Ringo one of the greatest rock drummers ever. That wasn't the point. They had two drummers anyway with Richard … the point was reprising perhaps the greatest Dylan / Hawks moment: that Manchester Like A Rolling Stone, then heavily bootlegged as "Royal Albert Hall." It was not about needing a drummer, it was about recreating a particular highlight of Dylan & The Hawks' shared history.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 11:09:51 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Peter, I disagree with your comment about Mickey Jones being missed at the last waltz. If a second drummer was needed for any song, Ringo was there. According to the linked interview, Jones never connected with Robbie. He actually says that he auditioned for 'Carny' and Robbie didn't acknowledge that he knew him.

If we're gonna fantasize about changes to Dylan's set at the last waltz, how about if 'Hazel' and 'Forever Young' were replaced by a couple of Basement tapes songs, maybe 'Quinn the eskimo' and 'Crash in the levee'.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:38:06 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto

Bill M, thanks for your contributions.

I tend to look for known "facts" and build the rest around them but here are a couple of less well founded thoughts.

Dylan and the Hawks come to Toronto in mid-November 1965. Levon is already unhappy anyway that they are now a support band rather than a group in their own right with a single of their own out on the Atlantic label. Toronto is their own turf yet they still get booed and people are walking out of the shows when they appear on stage with Dylan. This is the final straw - booed in their stronghold. He announces that he's going to leave, works two weeks notice and leaves the tour after the Washington DC show on the 28th November. Pure speculation on my part but it hangs together, I think.

Incidentally, the STAR's Robert Fulford, who interviewed Dylan at Friars in September, wrote a short comment that he found the solo half of the concert boring and much preferred the second half. This did not appear until several days after the shows and was tucked away at the end of his column, so would have been missed by the touring party. Now, perhaps if they had seen this and Levon had thought that the tide was beginning to turn, things would have turned out differently. But we can all play "What if?".

I would agree that it is more likely that the Dylan entourage arrived in Toronto on 13th November direct from Cleveland. As a broad generality (and I know there were exceptions), the shows in that period took place over weekends, so I think they set off for the first show on any weekend and didn't return to New York until that set of shows was over.



Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:13:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Don Henley

I watched the clip … what's the Band connection, Jeff? The track list includes Brand New Tennessee Waltz, originally produced by Robbie for Jesse Winchester, plus Train in the Distance which I hope is the Paul Simon song. Singers listed are Mick Jagger, Martina McBride, Dolly Parton … but I guess it must be more than that. Anyone know?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:10:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bill M: you're right about the allocation of matrix numbers making it likely they were done on one session … it's not definite though, because they could have been allocated at mastering for disc rather than recording.

Given Levon's clear statement that he left after the Washington DC concert, and we also know Bobby Gregg was on the 30 November session, I would say "the night between the 28th & 29th November" is a solid fact. I'd mentioned October earlier because was foolishly assuming my memory held the information without double checking the book.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 06:10:59 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

We have conflicting definitive info on when Levon left - end of Oct / end of Nov. I'm going with Nov, as that puts Levon at the Toronto shows, helping 'showcase' the Hawks' current local 'hit', "The Stones I Throw" on one of the nights. (I just can't imagine that JT would have dreamt that.)

When he did leave, common sense and Sandy Konikoff agree that Dylan (and/or Grossman) went with the remaining Hawks' suggestion that Sandy be hired from Hawkins' current group back in Toronto. Sandy accepted and gave Ronnie the required two weeks notice, during which period Bobby Gregg filled the void. Sandy joined the Hawks in LA, still in '65, and stayed for a couple months before returning to Toronto.

I agree with Peter V and others that Mickey Jones was stellar with Dylan. I'm sure he was capable of much more nuanced drumming, but he played how the music needed him to play - and the power of his playing on LARS in Manchester is simply phenomenal.

Wherever Levon went first when he left (wherever it was they were when he left), I don't think he went to the gulf oil rigs first. Sandy was in Toronto only briefly before he returned to LA, where he slept on Levon's couch and got to know the musicians like Levon Russell and Carl Radle that Levon was gigging with. Hence his participation in the Mad Dogs and Englishmen Tour later on.

Ian W: The "Globe and Mail" was and is a morning paper, and back then the earliest edition of the (say) Thursday paper would be available downtown by midnight Wednesday. So if a writer's column in the Nov 15 paper said "Yesterday somebody told me ..."), he or she most likely meant they'd been told on the 13th.

The fact that the three Levon and the Hawks songs on the two Atco 45s ("The Stone I Throw", "He Don't Love You", Go Go Liza Jane") have consecutive matrix numbers suggests they were done at a single session. Three seems to have been the norm, so there'd be something to fall back on if the first release turned out to be a hit.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 02:46:12 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Old spice

Why, Cap'n Norm, you say the sweetest things, you crusty old sea dog.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 02:21:32 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Sea

You were singing the wrong song Brown Eyes.........you should have been singin'............

Come with me my love..to the sea...the sea of love,

I want to tell you.......how much I love you........

Just come on out girl....we'll take you cruising on the Rockin Chair.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 01:05:56 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Don Henley got a new record coming out. Of course, there is a Band connection.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:48:30 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

John, email me at my Christian name and surname @ hotmail.co.uk look forward to hearing from you bro


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:39:18 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

Hi John, It's me brother. I said I wouldn't come back...but I check in now and again. I skim the posts about Van Morrison, etc.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:32:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lee

Is this really Lee G? Is so; or not I thank you for acknowledging me. Hope your well.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:15:23 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

John, I have Some of the studio track sheets for the demos with Duff Roman and dates are October & November 64. I hope that helps you guys. Peace Jan


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:11:49 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Minneapolis 1965

R Jimmy, all I can recall from what I've read of the Minneapolis concert is as follows:

The show started late.

There was a microphone problem in the second half.

He virtually sold out a large venue.

There was a report on his visit in a local magazine called "Twin City A Go Go", the text of which I reprinted in a fanzine I edited back in the 1980s. This included stuff about Dylan visiting old haunts in the city as he sought out Tony Glover, a long time friend of his.

There were some lovely photos from the concert in ISIS magazine some time back. Maybe the photographer'd sell copies.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:07:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Levon says "after Washington DC" which makes it November 28th. As Ian said, Bobby Gregg is on the November 30th session.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:06:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As I've said before, one of the missing guests at TLW was Mickey Jones (and obviously John Hammond Jnr),and in a perfect world, they should have had Mickey up for Like A Rolling Stone … Levon could have moved to guitar or drummed too. But at the Manchester Free Trade Hall, Mickey's drumming was a STATEMENT. I'm not arguing feel nor technical ability, but what happened on that night on that song. Incredible.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:01:59 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location:

Subject: When did Levon leave the 1965 tour?

My friend Davey the Dylanophile says that the last show Levon played in the 1965 tour was on Oct 31, don't know his source, but it would mean that there was a different drummer in Dylan's performance in Minneapolis on Nov 5. Not that I would have known then anyway.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:56:01 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1965

Thanks for the CHUM link. Even though I have the photo (in my computer files where I had "de-spotted" it, then forgotten it), it was not in my paper files which I have out for another purpose at present. I didn't have the link mentioning the TORONTO TELEGRAM 11 Nov 65 article. I have sent an enquiry to the "editors" of the TORONTOIST and we'll see if they reply and, if so, what they say.

The GLOBE AND MAIL for 15 November 65 said that "Dylan and his troupe flew into Toronto - in his own plane, so I was told - late yesterday afternoon". There's always a bit of a problem with dating things this way - was an article published on, in this case, the 15th written on the 14th or the 15th and did the journalist adjust the text to account for this possible discrepancy? They played Cleveland on 12 November, so they could have flown straight from there on 13th. Either way, I don't think Dylan was in Toronto on the day the TELEGRAM article was published. I would suggest that the photo was taken at Friars during Dylan's September 1965 visit, which would be consistent with BILLBOARD (cover date 2 October 1965)reporting Bob McAdorey meeting Dylan during his "top secret visit". That 2 Oct 65 issue of BILLBOARD was probably on news-stands on 25 September and Dylan flew out of Toronto on 17 September.

As to drummers, I've long understood that Levon drummed up to 28 November 1965, that Bobby Gregg played the 30 November 65 studio session and the December 1965 concerts, that Sandy Konikoff took over for the 1966 shows in North America and Mickey Jones for the "overseas" shows.

I do not wish to get embroiled in any "Who is (was?) best?" debate on drummers but I thought Mickey Jones really drove Dylan and the Hawks in those April-May 1966 concerts.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:55:11 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I can't even look up the books properly … it was the Irving Hotel near Gramercy Park. (TWOF, hardback, p140). Levon says he told Robbie, "I always had that ambition to be OUR OWN BAND." Then "It just ain't my ambition to be anybody's drummer." Bill Avis says, "Levon didn't say nothing to no one except Robbie. We got up in the morning and Levon was gone… if you ask me, Levon left because of Albert Grossman.

Levon says he went to Mexico., lived on the beach and spent all his money. Then he went to Florida, then took a drive-away Lincoln to New Orleans. He played amateur nights for the money,. worked as a busboy then signed up as a deckhand. (All on TWOF p 142).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:54:40 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: What are we here for

I found out about this guestbook about 2003 and checked in regularly (and posted seldom) until 4 or 5 years ago, when I stopped coming here, partly because of big changes in my life and partly because there didn't seem to be much left to say about The Band anyway. Recent posts have shown that there is a lot more to be said, at least about events in 1965.

I was present at Bob Dylan's concert at the Minneapolis Auditorium on Nov. 5, 1965, but have nothing of value to historical research. I was 14 years old, and it would be many years before I ever heard of the Hawks. But I do have the ticket stub. And some vivid memories.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:45:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Country Rock with Ian & Sylvia.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:45:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, Mickey Jones joined for the Hawaii-Australia-Europe portion of the tour.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:44:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Info was from Levon's "The wheel's On Fire."


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:42:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Phew! I've reached an age where I have to go and check and should stop relying on memory. Levon mentions playing Washington DC, flying (?) back to NYC, staying at the Gramercy Park Hotel, and telling Robbie late that night that he was leaving. I remember thinking about that moment while staying at the then very run down Gramercy Park Hotel myself in the mid-90s. The Washington DC concert is listed as 28 November 1965 in John Bauldie's "Oh, No! Not Another Bob Dylan Book!' So, yes, end of November … so 5 or 6 weeks after the releae of the ATCO single.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:33:20 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: JT / Levon

Jerry. To the best of my knowledge Levon had just left before the Toronto Concerts. The story was he left for New Orleans and the Gulf to work on the oil rigs. I'm going to call Bill Avis. He will know. He was road manager at the time.It was too early for Mickey Jones. Perhaps Sandy Konikoff? In the end Robbie or Garth would know; as the Toronto shows were very important to the Crackers/Hawks.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:32:40 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mickey Jones did himself proud in Dylan's band.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:12:09 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 Dylan and Hawks shows: Who played drums when?(Helm, Greig, Jones?)

There is some possible (mis)information somewhere. Howard Sounes in his book on Dylan notes that Levon Helm left the Hawks and the tour at the end of November (not October as is suggested earlier today) and went to working on an oil rig in New Mexico??? (sounds a little unusual to me) (Where did that piece of information come from?). So can anyone verify with good evidence exactly when Levon Helm left? Also, can we have a listing of all the known shows of 1965 and who played drums during those shows (does anyone know and be willing to document these?).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:00:26 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Eye Pads

I think Mike Nomad should be impeached.......for using an eye-pad in the first place.........I guess we'll have to have a plan destined meeting on it.......-:)


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:53:58 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Pipe. As in smoke it up to experience. Dead Flowers so to speak.

Mike, Pete..... my suggestion is that Pete hopefully really meant to type *I'm*, not *we're*........*The recent interchanges are a restoration of what I"m here for.* And really didn't mean to imply he sets policy for the GB or everyone.

Ben, the first concert I attended was in early fall 1972, Kingfish opening for Frank Zappa & the Mothers at Brooklyn College. Second row, left, in front of some speakers. Riders, the first few songs i remember learning on guitar were from the Riders first album. Louisiana Lady, Henry, Portland Woman ....Went from flatpicking to fingerpicking right away. My first books were a Traum or Traum Brothers flatpicking book, and then the Riders first album sheet music book.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:33:09 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Excuse the typos. This iPad has a mind of its own. I didn't mean to demean . . . is what I meant to say. I also misspelled "make."


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:29:06 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

It IS good, Peter, and the current discussion interests me greatly since I'm a particular fan of the pre-1965 Hawks, but let's not say THIS is what this page is supposed to be for. (Excuse the end preposition.) I apologize for calling it an arrogant statement, and I did to mean to demean you personally. But no one gave you the right either to msake that profound judgment.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:19:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, I'm fond of a bit of humor too and asides and sport and all sorts of peripheral stuff that keeps a community going. Which is why I don't start calling people I've never met "arrogant." Yes, let's have fun, but people are getting seriously involved tracing Band-related stuff. Is this good or not? David P is back. Ian W is seeking info. It all sounds good to me. I really don't want to descend to the levels that turn people off, Mike. Let's not go there!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:52:32 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomaf

Subject: " . . . .what we're here for . . . "

Really? It is arrogance of this sort, Mr. V, that has turned several previous posters against you. Yes, even those from London, Ontario, which you singled out recently. Myself, I prefer a little diversity on this page, a little more live-and-let-live. It's great to have David P back, certainly, but we all don't have to strive for the completion of a research thesis as a goal. A little silliness is fine, too.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:42:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I think it unfair to call Mickey Jones "a second rate player." His work with Trini Lopez (which I still play) and Johnny Rivers meant he was not only a highly rated drummer, but as it turned out, the best-paid Hawk. Dylan specifically wanted him. Yes, I think Levon a better drummer, but for the 1966 tour, Mickey was perfect.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:39:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The recent interchanges are a restoration of what we're here for.

OK, so we suspect The Stones I Throw was released either 15th or 23rd October (give or take a day or two). We know Levon quit in Washington DC circa October 30th. The big surprise, as Levon was the official Musician Union "leader" is that if he had wanted to promote "The Stones" the simplest way was hightail it to Toronto, take a band off Ronnie, and legitimately support the single as Levon & The Hawks with four new guys. This was not just unprecedented in 1965, it was standard practice. Ask The Kingsmen, The McCoys or whoever. But Levon did NOT do that. He went and worked on an oil rig.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:35:39 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

With regard to the Crackers billing, I was confusing the 1965 Dylan/Hawks concert at Carnegie Hall with the 1968 appearance there at the Woody Guthrie tribute.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:24:39 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG-Dylan 65-Berkeley

Most grateful to you for posting link to this concert.Most enjoyable.As for Levon leaving,best not,IMHO,to judge his reasoning harshly.Some of us are sensitive where others aren't.That's ok when viewed without judgement and with compassion.Mickey Jones-a second rate drummer who filled a hole-far from being a good player.Mickey always seemed like a very decent guy,but musically he was no Levon Helm.BTW,just back from Woodstock where the Mrs. and I visited with Levon and Rick.As my wife was saying a prayer at Levon's grave a butterfly circled both my legs,each 3 times,then disappeared after my wife completed saying her prayer.We were,once again,reminded how the care for Levon's resting place is superb.Sadly,Rick,Eli & Elizabeth lie together with little care or attention.Heck,if the family wanted proper headstones I'd gladly help them out.It just drives us nuts-like Levon Rick was a local hero and he merits respect in death that sadly was not given to him sufficiently while alive.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:09:32 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Crackers

Capital Records Contract No. 4325
Los Angeles, California
Date: February 1, 1968

The agreement was between Capitol Records, Inc. and Groscourt Productions, Inc. (Albert Grossman's management company which at the time included partner John Court) "for the exclusive personal endeavors of Levon Helm, Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson, performing as 'The Crackers' (herein sometimes called the 'Artists') in connection with the production of records..."

A copy of the contract was filed as an exhibit to court documents in 2009 in connection with Levon's lawsuit over the use of "The Weight" in advertising for Cingular Wireless.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:05:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bob McAdorey and Bob Dylan

Ian W: There is a photo on line (google) with Bob McAdorey (CHUM 1050 Toronto) speaking to Bob Dylan. This apparently happened at the Friar's Tavern before the Massey Hall concerts ( a few days before??). I recognized Bob McAdorey from the photo as I had been aware of him at this time. So, I don't think this happened on the radio but rather perhaps at the Friar's as a one to one conversation. What was said.... who knows.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:56:43 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto and the Guthrie Tribute show

Thanks for all the follow up. Just a couple of quick responses. Dylan in Toronto:

I have the BILLBOARD report. I think there was one in VARIETY as well. There was a much longer article in a Toronto newspaper, including the interview conducted by Robert Fulford (?). I have a poor quality photocopy of the latter but it doesn't show the layout of the article or give any indication as to its prominence.

If anyone can confirm that Dylan was interviewed on/by CHUM at that time, I'd be pleased to know. A broadcast date would be wonderful.

Woody Guthrie Tribute: I was referring to contemporary documents not to subsequent reports and was just saying that I could find nothing contemporary that mentioned "The Crackers" by that name.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:19:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

TRIBUTE TO WOODY GUTHRIE: BOB DYLAN & THE CRACKERS, “I AIN’T GOT NO HOME”

"January 20, 1968: Seventeen months after Dylan’s motorcycle mix-up outside of Woodstock, the Bard returned—flanked by The Crackers—for the Woody Guthrie Memorial Concert, holding court inside the dusty walls of New York City’s Carnegie Hall. In the course of their thirteen minute set, Dylan and The Crackers churn out a trio of Guthrie numbers: “I Ain’t Got No Home,” “Dear Mrs. Roosevelt” and “Grand Coulee Dam.” The thoroughbred of the set, “I Ain’t Got No Home” reads as a jubilant country jam that’s bound for glory – the audience receives a hellacious jolt during the chorus, joining all together like a fleet of drunken revelers, sitting in at an after hours hootenanny. A preliminary peek into Dylan and The Band’s musical escapades, fermenting upstate in a Woodstock basement."

Hi Bill M....Really? Levon left The Hawks because of TSIT....Which one is it Bill? Translation Studies for Information Technologies or for Technical Service Intelligence or for Total Ship Integration Team (US Navy) or for Technology Services Integration Testing (Sprint). Really? What are your sources? ;-D

Hi sail on sailor......Yup....I've been to their home for a couple of weekends and they even met imagezulu for lunch in my hood. We still keep in touch but find it difficult at the moment to connect again.....We did go to one of Levon's Tributes because of the Weber Brothers. Northern Girl finally got to see why I enjoy them so much live! Btw, they have a great photo of Garth framed. They enjoyed meeting you and I will be dropping by the next time I'm out west young man. Just remember I still ain't gonna work on your boat....no I ain't gonna work on your boat....I ain't gonna work on your boat no more, I aint gonna work on your boat no more. Well, I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you t o be just like them, they say sing while you slave and I just get bored. Noooooo......I ain't gonna work on Westie's boat no more. ;-D

Hi Kevin. I forgot Julie was a fan of Zep but I did not forget her! She almost made it to Rick Danko's Tribute in Simcoe. Even my partner came but was not a happy camper......Yiiiikes.....in most cases better to leave him at home unless Miles or Muddy and many obscure blues artists reappear. Anyway, you should try and contact her....maybe Facebook?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:00:26 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The introduction to Down In The Flood doc - LINKED - is notable for some nice shots - nothing new, but a good look at RR's tele.

All we need is Al Edge and this party is going to outer space ! NB being back would be great as well. Thought of Julie with Jimmy P being in town....thanks BEG.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:23:49 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

After another BILLBOARD search I found the following from the Oct. 2, 1965 issue:

"TORONTO -- Bob Dylan made an un-publicized incognito visit to Toronto in mid-September to work in a few rehearsals with Levon and the Hawks. The Canadian group, headed by ex-Arkansas boy Levon Helm is accompanying Dylan on his U.S. and Canadian tour this fall, and on to Europe the first of the year. CHUM deejay Bob McAdorey copped a near-exclusive on Dylan's top secret visit. Dylan appears in concert at Massey Hall in Toronto Nov. 14 and 15...Levon and the Hawks have a single upcoming on the Atlantic label, "Little Liza Jane," and a number by Hawk guitarist Robbie Robertson."

I'm guessing Levon would have said, "There ain't no such thing as an ex-Arkansas boy!"


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:18:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Brown Eyes

Hello Brown Eyes. Do you ever see Chris & Theresa Cosgray any more? That's (Northern Buoy) to most everyone else.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:04:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The next Bootleg Series

This is what ISIS said:

"I’ve heard from several sources that the next “Bootleg Series” release will be a little different from the norm and that you may need to start saving for it now. Although there is no official confirmation of the rumour, we are hearing that there might be a 2-CD release, a 6-CD Box set, and a huge boxed release covering all of the studio sessions from 1965 and 1966. There is talk that this release might run to 18 discs!!! If only studio material is to be included, then 18 discs seems a lot. ISIS tends not to speculate too much on these releases but we have heard this from three sources, all of which are usually reliable. The release date is anticipated as being October 2015. This release may mean that there will not be a “Copyright Protection” release this year. Only time will tell…"


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:04:07 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.16)

Posted by:

Bill M

Iann W: As I've been saying here for years (including just a few days ago), TSIT is exactly why Levon left (or so I believe).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:56:26 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

John D, I thought Levon bailed out after Toronto, in fact after the Washington DC show on 28 November./n The Steen article was accompanied by at least one backstage colour photo of Dylan. Quite why McLEAN'S and the STAR WEEKLY should run pieces on Dylan in early 1966, referring back to his November 65 visit, is doubtless lost in the mists of time and the occasionally haphazard ways of journalism, I guess.

Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York,1 October 1965

1. She Belongs To Me

2. To Ramona

3. Gates Of Eden

4. Mr. Tambourine Man

5. Love Minus Zero/No Limit

6. Desolation Row

7. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue\

8. Maggie's Farm

9. I Don't Believe You

10. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?

11. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

12. Tombstone Blues

13. It Ain't Me, Babe

14. Positively 4th Street

15. Ballad Of A Thin Man

16. Like A Rolling Stone

David P, I don't recall "The Crackers" being used in print. The advert in the NEW YORK POST didn't name them and nor did "BRAVO Vol.VII, Number 5 CH", the "CH" referring to Carnegie Hall, and this was seemingly used as the concert programme booklet. I have photocopies of different versions of the running order as the performers and songs were juggled a bit, apparently given to journalists who were present and maybe the final version to audience members; "Bob Dylan" is there with his three songs just before the intermission but no mention of The Crackers", I'm afraid. I also have a copy of the narration, a sort of script with the names of songs and performers shown in the appropriate place; again, no mention of The Crackers. I can't locate my copy of the folio songbook from the concert but I don't think The Crackers are there, though maybe the individual members were named. None of that says that The Crackers weren't mentioned and I suspect that Al Grossman held some sway over the proceedings and weren't they signing with Capitol as The Crackers around this time or something?.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:23:36 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

All this talk of The Hawks had me checking out the Down In The Flood documentary.....surprisingly enjoyable - for me anyhow.

LINKED: Part 2 which covers a lot of the ground being discussed.

Very nice to see David P back....and brown eyed girl!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:13:18 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Details on the concert posters pictured above, all original, all printed before the event for the sole purpose of selling tickets: Bob Dylan in concert at Ann Arbor High School in Ann Arbor, Michigan on Sept. 19, 1964; Bob Dylan in a Folk Music Concert at the San Jose Civic Auditorium in San Jose, CA on Nov. 25, 1964; Bob Dylan in concert (with The Hawks, who are not mentioned) in Buffalo, New York on Nov. 19, 1965; and Bob Dylan in concert (also with The Hawks) in Richmond, Virginia on Feb. 11, 1966."

Hey Nomadic Mike.....We're waiting...... :-D Ok....Peace out!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:00:30 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Hawks November of '65 Massey Hall

Ian W, I saw Dylan & The Hawks; in November of 1965. Apparently Levon had just left the group a few weeks before coming to Toronto. I had front row seats and that was lucky because I bought them through mail order. BTW. The Hawks did NOT appear alone on stage. It was Bob; with his acoustic guitar first. Then intermission at which time he returned with The Hawks backing him up. There was a lot of booing; in the second act; but I didn't care. My best friend and I were just thrilled to be there. And yes they were called a third rate rock and roll band by one writer.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 17:33:42 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

PSB: Thanks for the correction on the "So Many Roads" recording date. Did it take place before Bloomfield joined the Paul Butterfield Blues Band? Was Dylan present in the studio during the session? With regard to Dylan's appearance at the Woody Guthrie tribute in Carnegie Hall, some sources say the Hawks were billed/announced as the Crackers.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 17:03:58 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Blood On The Tracks Project was at the Merkin Concert Hall in NYC. I remembered the year 2004 as it was the year my Mom passed. My friend who lived in the West Village knew I had to be in NYC. I was grieving but did my best to be in the moment and feeeeel the music. Thanks to Crabgrass we had front row seats for the Blood On The Tracks Project! The first time I saw Buddy Cage was at The Bottom Line (I thought.....I could have seen Louuuuu here as well!) with Garth Hudson for TLW Tribute. I enjoyed myself so much that night. Anyway, the second time I met Buddy Cage at the Merkin Centre. I still remember his very young wife's Bob Marley jacket and how she was so excited to see if my memory serves me well......Vernon Reid.

The same week I was in NYC Crabby and I also saw Ollabelle in NJ. At one point Amy was on the drums before the band started playing at an outdoor venue and I was about to take a photo and then for some reason.....shoot.....I didn't. I did however meet her as Crabby seemed to know all of the band members. Of course Glen and I had the Canadian connection.

During this week I also visited a new friend who I had met at Garland Jeffreys' 60th Birthday Party at Hugh's Room in NYC. I took the train to NJ and we drove to a place by the border of Philly. She couldn't get over how I wasn't interested in shopping. I was really down but didn't want to share how I was really feeling as she was a new friend.....Without the music I was down, down, down.......I went to see my Naturopathic physician for help as I knew I wasn't coping well as it was summer time and I wasn't working so no distractions.......She told me that her husband was in touch with Robbie Robertson and that he gave Myron Zabol permission to include some of Robbie's lyrics in his photo book.....People Of The Dancing Sky. When I met Robbie for the second time at Indigo Bookstore he signed a copy of this book as I have Myron's signature as well. It didn't seem Bowman knew about this book as he immediately said something to Robbie about it. Btw, small world as when I visited Habana, Cuba; I met someone who knew Rob Bowman from High-School and told me that even then he probably had about a thousand records.

Hmmmm.....I guess today I'll write a poem about Manic Wednesday....inspired by the Bangles' Manic Monday.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:32:19 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Illawarra District, Australia, June 22, 2010.
Midwayer Chief Bzutu (ABC-22).
Subject: “The Loss of Innocence – The Stones We Throw.”
Received by George Barnard.

Note: 1965, Levon and the Hawks – The Stones I throw will free all men …


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:30:57 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: RR Biography

It occurs to me that as Robbie Robertson writes his biography, first hand descriptions of all that occurred from mid-1965 to the end of 1966 (lots of detail) would add a great deal to what was one of the seminal periods in the evolution of popular music following the rise of the Beatles and the Stones. Dylan was right up there by this time but the contribution of LATH cannot be underestimated. I look forward to his book. From what I know, he has always tried to be detailed and direct and so this will be a welcome expansion of what (comparatively little so far) is known. I will repeat that my dad always found Robbie to be professional and what he called 'a nice person' who he enjoyed speaking to at the Concord.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:13:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Interviewer: Margaret Steen
Interview Date: November 15 or 16, 1965 Publication: The Toronto Star Weekly
Publication Date: January 29, 1966

Hey Nomadic Mike! When are you going to share your recollections of seeing Levon and The Hawks????!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:12:55 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I saw several of the gene Clark "Byrds"shows with Rick, Blondie, York, Clarke, & sometimes Manuel. Craig Harris was at some. As part of the Burritos band that opened, including Rick Roberts, Sneaky Pete...... Rick's connection to & friendship with Gene goes back much further though, they shared an apartment when the Hawks first came to NYC.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:04:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Toronto appreciated 'THE STONES I THROW'

Peter Stone Brown: Though the song did not chart in many places, 'The Stones I Throw" did chart locally in Toronto, reaching #22 on the CHUM Chart (competing with you know who's from the UK). It was appreciated by some but certainly did not do what was hoped. Also, as many have already said, with Dylan and the tour, there was no real interest in it comparatively.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:04:25 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: There Was Something Happening Here

At the time Dylan began touring with the Hawks, for most of us outside of Canada there was a mystery surrounding the guys backing him. Here in Atlanta, their previous work with Ronnie Hawkins and solo didn't generate radio airplay. As I was already following John Hammond, when I bought the "So Many Roads" LP shortly after it was released, it was the first time I became aware of Mark Levon Helm, Jaime R. Robertson and Eric Hudson by name.

I double-checked the date that I first saw Dylan with the Hawks at the Atlanta Municipal Auditorium and it was Oct. 9, 1965, coinciding with the date of that BILLBOARD report I mentioned. And yes, Levon was still on board when they played here.

In June 1966 I bought the Dylan 45 single of "I Want You," b/w the live version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," recorded the previous month in Liverpool with the Hawks. I can say that I just about wore out both sides of that single! As someone who was trying to develop skills on guitar, I was completely amazed by Robbie's guitar style. Needless to say, that "So Many Roads" LP spent a lot of time on my turntable back then.

With regard to Michael Bloomfield switching to piano on those sessions -- While he was still developing as a guitarist at the time, it's possible that he wasn't intimidated by Robbie's playing, but instead realized that his agressive approach to playing guitar was too similar to that of Robbie, and felt that another prominent guitar would get in the way.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:03:20 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: The Talented Ms. Angelina

Nice find on that Jim Finch/Fayetteville, Ark., recollection link, Angie. That's a fantastic search engine that you use. It's like grabbing a tiny bit of obscure fluff in this massive digital stew. I'm impressed.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:00:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: ticket stub

I did NOT (sadly) keep my ticket stub. I know there is absolutely no mention of Levon and the Hawks performing alone anywhere. I looked around prior to writing my entry a few minutes ago.

If anyone has set lists from the 1965 concerts, they should be entered here. There is a woeful lack of set lists for these shows. Is that Carnegie Hall setlist available? I am asking because I don't know.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:55:00 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks - Toronto

I've just recently had to dig out the Toronto reviews for a friend.

The GLOBE & MAIL says: "the reticent Mr Dylan comes to the front and centre with the Hawks for the second half" and, earlier in the report when mentioning those who walked out, that "Dylan's voice drifted out from inside, as Levon and his hawks thumped out their backing".

The DAILY STAR twice called Levon and the Hawks "a third-rate Yonge St. rock 'n' roll band".

Both reports are on the first concert at Massey hall and neither mentioned them performing without Dylan. Indeed, what comes across is a rather hostile audience and a hostile press reaction. Perhaps it was this reaction in Toronto, their base (?), that was another factor to turn Levon against continuing with Dylan.

There was a later report in MACLEAN'S and I don't recall which show was being covered but, again, I can recall no mention of the Hawks performing without Dylan.

Did you keep your ticket stub by by chance?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:55:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Massey Hall Turns 120 (2014)
You Never Forget Your First Time at Massey Hall

"My first time seeing a concert in Massey Hall, I was in the front row of the gallery overlooking the stage as Bob Dylan did the first half solo-acoustic, with a guitar and wire harmonica holder around his neck; and the 2nd half he came out with a local band called Levon and the Hawks, and sang the songs I came to hear – “Positively 4th Street,” “Like a Rolling Stone.” The year was 1965."

Article included (Jeers, Cheers For Dylan).....JD also shared his first time....Article states Dylan also sang, "Gates Of Eden", "Desolation Row" and "Hey Mr. Tambourine Man", "She Belongs To Me", "Ballad Of A Thin Man".


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:48:53 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: So Many Roads sessions and other stuff

David, nice to see you here. The So Many Roads sessions took place in 1964, the album came out in '65. The sessions for "I Can Tell," which eventually was released on Atlantic though it was recorded for Redbird took place in '65, but the album wasn't released until '67.

The real question about "The Stones That I Throw" is was Robbie trying to write some sort of folk rock protest song to capitalize on folk rock hitting the charts. Either way it was a flop, and probably whatever contract they had was based on how well the single did.

Ian, Levon & the Hawks were never mentioned in ads for Dylan concerts. The only time I ever saw them mentioned was in the program book to the Carnegie Hall show. I didn't attend the show, but a friend of mine had it, and it listed Levon and the Hawks as well as the instruments. In fact, it's how I found out who the rest of the Hawks were and what they played.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:34:12 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones I Throw - Massey Hall?

Can anyone confirm what I think I remember? - Nov. 15, 1965, Massey Hall, Toronto. (I was in the audience). After Dylan's solo group of songs,, Levon and The Hawks come onto the stage WITHOUT BOB DYLAN and perform 'The Stones I Throw". Dylan comes on afterwards and they do the rest of the second half of the show. There is no mention of this in any of the reviews on line. But that is my recollection, though hazy. John D. saw the other show at Massey Hall and I believe he said that 'The Stones I Throw' was not performed on that night. There is no record of any set list for these shows. Can anyone else confirm or comment who was there? (Unfortunately, the person I went with (a high school friend) to this show is no longer alive). Maybe Sebastian can ask his dad if he remembers or maybe Garth recalls. I don't know if it was ever played live in concert anywhere else at any time. Also, if anyone does have the set list, can they please post it for this Nov. 15, 1965 show. (It never hurts to ask). Thank you.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:56:11 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Around this time, Finch’s roommate burned down their house while cleaning his MG carburetor, so he moved into the Iris Motel for $18 a week. He noticed his next door neighbors were weird characters, so he introduced himself. They were Garth Hudson, Rick Danko and Richard Manuel of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, who later became the Band. The Hawks would regularly stay in Fayetteville and would make the Iris Motel their home base while touring the area, including Oklahoma and Texas, in the earliest days of the Band. When Finch met them, they didn't have a car and were stuck there. Finch had a tri-power 1957 Pontiac and so they became fast friends and regularly went to the Rockwood Club, a legendary rock ‘n’ roll joint in Fayetteville that was owned by Hawkins.

After the club closed for the night, Finch would drive them there and open a keg. He sat in on drums with Danko, Manuel, and Hudson and jammed until the wee hours. Finch's late nights at the Rockwood with the Hawks happened a handful of times and he became a gopher for group as they emerged into the Band, regularly running errands and hanging out when they were in town. A short time later, of course, they became Bob Dylan's backing band on his first electric tour."

Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks in El Dorado, Ark. Photo


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:18:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day.....My favourite Gene Clark song with Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Blondie Chaplin.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:14:40 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Were the Hawks mentioned in Dylan concert adverts?

David, from the adverts I've seen, the answer is "No" for the most part. Some simply said "BOB DYLAN", a few "BOB DYLAN IN PERSON" and some "AN EVENING WITH BOB DYLAN". There was one that I can recall that mentioned "LEVON & THE HAWKS" in smaller print below "BOB DYLAN" but that, strangely, was for the Copenhagen concert on 1 May 1966 when Levon wasn't even there. How that came about is a bit of a mystery.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:06:41 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From Soundboard. Nothing but sounds.....

"Bob Dylan in concert @ the Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley, CA December 4th, 1965.
One of the first shows with the Hawks as the backing band. The Hawks later became known as The Band. Here is Bob in all of his controversial electric glory."

As Garth Hudson said in a video I taped during his time at our TVO studio regarding their time with Dylan....."He took us from the bars to the stars."

In one article I recently read....Robbie saw their time together as an......OPPORTUNITY. They even helped Robbie with his guitar playing.....He had to keep an eye on them throwing things at any given moment....so....He had to play more and more without looking at his hands while playing. Also I think Robbie learned more from Bob about songwriting as he had more time with him personally and was already a songwriter himself.

I think Levon couldn't stand being a back-up band once again as now they were Levon and The Hawks....and I've always been very surprised that audiences could get under his skin the way they did. All the other members just went with the flow.

By Levon leaving.....opened room for Mickey Jones who was a very different type of drummer whose playing was more compatible with trying to drown out the booooooooos.

Also by being in Dylan's creative presence and sphere.....everyone probably soaked up whatever Bob was willing to share at the time.......as he soaked up the music the Hawks were able to bring to the table so it was a win-win situation for all.......

Hi Peter. Noooooo.......My post on Jimmy Page was for Kevin J. I was never a fan of Zep although one of my first 45's was "Whole Lotta Love" along with "Hey Jude" which I played on my small record player similar to the one I previously posted on the card......"She may be old but she got to see all the cool bands." I sure did!
Anyway, the last time I lined up for anyone was in 1975....Cat Stevens was playing Massey Hall and I was in school and lined up for awhile and still no luck as the tickets ran out!!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:05:29 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff, I am very familiar with The New Riders. I have quite a bit of their catalog on cd. I think they were a good country rock/bar band.

In terms of country rock, I would rate The Byrds, Dillard and Clark, Flying Burrito Brothers and Rick Nelson and the Stone Canyon Band higher than the New Riders. When it comes to Grateful Dead off-shoots, I would probably rate Kingfish a bit higher than the New Riders.

I am a big Gene Clark fan. From his work with the Byrds to his work with Carla Olson, I think he was a criminally underrated artist. The fist Dillard and Clark album, 'Fantatsic Expedition' is a classic. He also has ties to Rick and Richard as they toured with Gene as part of a 20th anniversary Byrds reunion tour.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 12:47:35 CEST 2015 from (70.193.139.93)

Posted by:

David P

Taking a backseat to work with Dylan ultimately did gain the Hawks wide exposure. But, at the time, was there any promotional effort mentioning that Dylan was backed by "ATCO recording artists Levon and the Hawks"!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 12:09:26 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks in 1965-66

Actually, ISIS did not give a number for the CDs in the very big "collectors" box set but I have heard 18 CDs. ISIS has been more cautious than I have - and probably rightly so.

Yes, it seems strange that Levon and the Hawks should record a single and that their record company should release it just at the time when they were not available to promote it. Could it be that Levon left the tour in part because he saw the Atlantic single as the chance for Levon and the Hawks to rise (as it were) and the chance was blown now they were contracted to Dylan?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 11:48:28 CEST 2015 from (70.193.139.93)

Posted by:

David P

That Oct. '65 BILLBOARD blurb failed to mention that Levon and the Hawks were working with Dylan. So, at the same time they were releasing their ATCO single, they were off on the Dylan tour, rather than doing any gigs by themselves to promote their single.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 11:11:21 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and Hawks - studio work 1965-1966

Just to let you know - ISIS (a well established Dylan fanzine for which I used to provide the news service and now write the occasional article) has reported that the next of Dylan's BOOTLEG SERIES will cover his studio work in 1965-1966.

They say that there will be:

(1) a 2 CD set, presumably for young 'uns to buy their Dads for Christmas - I parody the thinking of record company marketing people and do not intend to offend anyone reading this

(2) a 6 CD set - for average collectors (the "civilians" ?)

and

(3) an 18-CD set - for the hard core completists amongst us.

An 18-CD set will presumably include some false starts and some studio banter, as well as all the complete takes.

Each year for the last 3 years, Dylan/Sony have been releasing a "Copyright (protection) Collection" to prevent legal release by other companies (what some call, incorrectly IMHO, "grey market" releases). The quantities released have been so small that I doubt "releases" is really the right word. I suspect that 1965 was too big a prospect for such a limited release, so they decided to make some money from it.\ From my own experience working with the ISIS folk, they tend to be cautious about what they say - even though pressured by the speed of the internet, where every rumour, however vague, is magnified enormously. I can only say that, if ISIS has run the story, then it is more likely to be right than wrong.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 10:52:37 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO - Atlantic session

Thanks, Peter.

Actually, I should correct one thing I said. 24 Sep 65 was a Friday, not a Saturday. I think my reaction to the incorrect "25 September" was still in my mind when I wrote that.

As for Dylan, the session sheets, which some call tape logs, are headed "Tape Identification Data". I'm pretty certain that the way it worked was that, once the session was over, someone (the second engineer ?)took the reel of tape aside, played it and completed the T.I.D. sheet based on the slating of the songs. Some sessions used more than one reel of tape and it looks as though they ran more than tape machine (as a sort of back up), so one session could end with several reels of tape and thus several tape boxes, each with its own T.I.D. sheet. Sometimes, recording took place over several days, so you could have a fair number of tape boxes, with a fair number of T.I.D. sheets. Sometimes, the producer failed to slate a take (or the musicians started before he had a chance to do so). Sometimes, the producer miscalled the take number. Some songs were attempted on different days, not always with the same reference number. Sometimes, the recording process was stopped while equipment was checked and/or re-set. The process used by Columbia was thorough but there was scope for human error, too.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 08:28:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Archaeology: old stones thrown

Well, ACE’s date is physically impossible then. At the top it does say “Recording Date.” It’s not a 5/4/65 versus 4/5/65 confusion. Ace say “Tape transcriptions by Zal Schreibner, Atlantic Studios” and “Thanks to Atlantic Tape Library Staff” supporting their claim to get back to Masters where possible. But as we know from The Telegraph’s Dylan archaeology, even photos of tape boxes might not reveal the true events. Ace might enlighten you, but the CD is 16 years old. Notes by Paolo Hewitt.

I wondered about release date (not going to be Saturday) and chart entry date, but Ace are clear in their top header. Recording date.

I went to ATCO 45 Discography. The record is ATCO 6383. “45.Cat.Com” give a release date of October 1965, which we knew. The UK Atlantic release date is given with the demo on 45,cat … 26 November 1965. I now want a copy of the French release with its nice sleeve!

I was looking for well known discs around it. 6384 and 6385 are Millie Small, then Chris Andrews’ Yesterday Man, so licensed in, which tells us nothing. However 6381 is Sonny & Cher’s ‘But You’re Mine’ / ‘Hello.’ Incidentally, a #8 Canadian hit … so also its most successful chart. It entered the US Top 40 on 23 October 1965. After three Top 20 hits in 1965, I’d guess it entered the Top 40 after one week. Also, at a guess, it would have been released either the same week or one week away. I thought a recording date would be of some relevance but didn’t find it.

As so often, you get stalled by the lack of published US Complete Top 30s Week by Week, or the equivalent of the UK Single File with dates.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 04:20:26 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Geez Ben, I'm getting old faster than a speeding bullet. "No Other" was the name of that masterpiece album i was thinking of. "Silver Raven" was one of the tracks.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 02:24:20 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Good evening Ben. Neither my comment to you before, or this one, is a rebuttal, as you have stated. You seemed interested in the Riders. So, my thought was you'd welcome more & accurate information and might have googled for more if i pointed you in the right direction. This version of The Riders has been together for at least ten years. In fact, since they started in the very late 60s, the Riders only been down about 10 or 11 years total. Dawson & Nelson kept the band going all along. Then Nelson dropped out for a while. After Dawson (RIP)finally called it quits for good, a few years later, Nelson revived the band.

Regular readers here might recall that I've mentioned few times that drummer Johnny Markowski is the son of the late Thomas Jefferson Kaye. Kaye was a frequent collaborator and producer with Gene Clark. Silver Raven was one of their masterpieces.

The Riders work hard and often. When they first got back up, i was in St Louis and they were regulars there. The East & West Coast are natural for em, when i was home in NY they were often here, playing the city, upstate, and the NE heavy. Hell, when i spent 6 months in Scottsdsale in 2010 and 11, they played Scottsdale at least once but i think twice that i recall. Former Cromatix member Michael Falzarano is also a member.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 01:30:59 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Driving Around

Check out this great summer song on the new James Maddock record.

David P, great to see your post. Miss the vinyl siding. I hope your loving the new Jason Isbell. Amazing record. Thanks always for that tip.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 00:53:12 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO etc etc etc

Wow,thanks. I go away for a few hours and I have a mound of stuff to explore when I get back but here's a quick response tbased on a quick scan of the various postings.

I will seek out a copy of the 9 Oct 65 BILLBOARD report. I think the cover date on BILLBOARD was a week after it was available on news-stands (but confirmation would be welcome). Thus, if so, then that piece of information would relate to late September 1965 or very early October 1965, which ties in, I think.

It seems that TRO was The Richmond Organization and Mr Google says it was founded by Howie Richmond.

Far be it for me to doubt the archaeology undertaken by Ace Records but, if they are suggesting 24 September for the recording session, I don't see how that would work. Dylan flew to Texas on Thursday 23 September. Gilbert Shelton (in the article in TEXAS RANGER) wrote: "It was Thursday night, the night before Dylan's Austin concert, and he and his entourage had just arrived via their private plane ... and were holed up at the Villa Capri Motor Hotel". Then there was a bit about Bobby Neuwirth trying to hire a set of drums. He goes on, "There were some members of the band running about - it's a new band, from Canada, discovered by Dylan in Montreal ...". And later again, "The bass player and I got in the car and set off in search of drums and booze". So, if the guys were in Austin on the night of the 23rd and the Austin show was the 24th and the Dallas show the 25th, how could the Ace date be right for a recording session in New York? Also, the 24th was a Saturday and I doubt many recording sessions took place at a weekend in new York back then. (I'm prepared to be wrong about that one, though).



Entered at Wed Jul 22 00:12:07 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian & JT

Ok. Here's the note I got today from Duff Roman who produced the single prior to "Stones"

"The Stones That I Throw session came after the one I did in Toronto. This one was done in New York, September 1965, produced by Henry Glover and engineered by Phil Ramone - not too shabby. The song actually hung around for a few weeks on the CHUM Chart; reaching #22 in December 1965."

That's what I got from Duff just minutes ago. Hope this sheds some light Ian.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:42:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Eddie Heller

Given what I have read about Eddie Heller, it might have been an honour in the inner circles of A&R/production etc. to have that name on your recording. Eddie Heller had apparently been around for a long time now and I would think he was also an important cog in the recording machine locally at that time. From what I have read, he had been around for about 15 years or more by that time.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:37:33 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fresh Air

Happened to come in today and have a glance here. Refreshing to see some meaningful dialogue from people who know what they speak of,........without the silly little digs and reprehensible.....bullshit.

Along with the others David it's just good to hear you are still well and above ground. The horrible things that have befallen your part of the country were put into perspective yesterday with a picture with no words........none were needed.

A black policeman helped a KKK member wearing a black t-shirt with a swastika on it. The officer held his arm and helped him up the stairs out of the heat as he was very near passing out and falling from heat exhaustion. There is a song there some where.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:30:09 CEST 2015 from (86.128.176.199)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: 50 years ago

50 years ago today number 1 in Britain was 'Mr Tambourine Man' by The Byrds. I bought it.

Nice to hear from you, David.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:18:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

"Supervised by Eddie Heller" is an odd credit. It suggests he switched stuff on and off, and made sure no ciggies were left burning in ashtrays at the end of the session.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:51:10 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT / Peter V: For me, the most disappointing aspect of Greil Marcus is he hasn't seen fit to soften his disgraceful slam of JH Jr in any of the several 'revised editions' of "Mystery Train". There are lots of classier and less hurtful and less race-based ways to get across the idea that you don't like the way a person sings.

David P: Nice to see you back, as others have said. However, you're quoting Hoskyns, who was borrowing from other sources, including Levon, that simply got it wrong (as we all do from time to time). The early '65 recording session in NY (produced by Henry Glover) produced the Canadian Squires record, which they surely recorded as Levon and the Hawks - but labels have their ways, don't they? Duff Roman had recorded the two Cdn Squires songs and others at a session in Toronto in late '64. Duff had recorded a couple of terrific and commercially singles with David Clayton Thomas earlier that year and I can't help but think that that's the reason the Hawks went to Duff - DCT had sung with them regularly at bars on Yonge Street (as Hawkins' second singer) even while fronting his own group, the Shays, on the teen circuit (i.e., no booze). While the appearance of Levon and the Hawks and DCT singles on ATCO the same year may have been related, it may also have been coincidental. If you have the DCT on Atco, you'll notice that the publisher is no longer Duffer (Duff's company) it is Spanka Productions, i.e., Paul Anka, another Canadian with whom Duff had made a deal to ease his (Duff's) path into the US market. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that the Anka connection helped get DCT and the Shays, wearing hockey sweaters, on Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" TV show.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:22:51 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Yes, that should have read April 1965.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:10:48 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

From Levon's "This Wheel's On Fire":

"We cut again in New York in early 1965 under our own name, Levon and the Hawks. Henry Glover was producing and an engineer named Phil Ramone.

In April 1905 we were back in Helena, staying at Charlie Halbert's motel. We'd been hired by the Marvell High class of '65 to play the combined junior-senior prom."

Interestingly, ATCO released a single by David Clayton Thomas and the Shays in April 1965. It featured the original song "Walk That Walk" b/w a cover of Little Richard's "Hey Hey Hey" (ATCO 45-6347), produced by Duff Roman. I beleive that the same single had been released earlier that year in Canada on the Red Leaf label. Bill M no doubt would know.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 20:31:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It seems unlikely that they signed only 15 days after making He Don't Love You … and maybe that was cut later than The Stones I Throw. But they were heavily in the news because of Dylan. He Don't Love You, is for me, the best Levon & The Hawks track.

Actually Jerry there is later John Hammond Jnr stuff that I like (solo + acoustic). I just never warmed to the vocal phrasing on the three mid-60s albums.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 20:24:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Heller /Atco plot thickens

And so we have "The Roar of The Greasepaint" and 'Carousel' as 2 theatrical productions with Eddie Heller's name attached to them.

What is TRO Productions (is that a short form for one of Eddie's production companies?


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:52:10 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Atco session

The following blurb appeared in the Oct. 9, 1965 issue of BILLBOARD:

"Levon and Hawks [sic], new Canadian group, have been signed by Atlantic Records. The group's first sides were cut under the supervision of Eddie Heller on behalf of the Richmond Organization."

It seems possible that the recording session took place months before the group was officially signed to the Atco deal and there was a further delay in the reporting.

Several years before, in the Feb. 10, 1962 issue, BILLBOARD reported:

"Eddie Heller, veteran disk man, angled his post of a&r chief for 20th Fox Records last week to set up his own operation. The new firm, to be known as Entertainment Unlimited, has already set up offices on West 53d Street.

One adjunct of the company will be a new label, Tribute Records. Initial single, "Space Hop," by the Astralites, has already been released. Heller noted that Entertainment Unlimited 'will also be active in film, television and theatrical production'."

Heller was most recently involved in the 20th Fox single 'Walkin Cane,' by Billy Duke, which has picked up some action. Prior to this, he was with MGM Records, where he co-produced the original cast LP 'Carnival'. Earlier he had been with RCA Victor and at one time operated his own Rainbow Records label."

At Rainbow Heller signed developing acts, many of whom later went on to success with major labels, including such groups as the Clovers and the Five Crowns (who after various personel changes evolved into The Drifters). After years of spotting talent, Heller apparently branched out into production/promotional work, arranging deals with bigger labels such as Atlantic.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:31:56 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

As one also interested in all accounts pertaining to the 1960s-era Hawks, I concur with JT's response to David P "setting the record straight" and add my own thank-you. Also great to see you "pop in."


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:19:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mr Marcus

I heard, met and spoke to Mr. Marcus, Peter: Negativity can be a problem but he is entitled. I wonder what he would say today on reflection (maybe the same?)


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:53:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian

Ian, I've sent an email to Duff Roman who recorded some of the Hawks early material, to see what he has to say.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:51:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I should add that every track on "AT The Club" has an exact recording date listed. Poison Ivy- 16 July 1959, Just One Look - 5 March 1963, Looking For A Fox 10 Nov 1967, which implies access to Atlantic's files.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:48:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: No … 24 September

Sorry, Ian, very tiny print … it's actually "24 September 1965". I misread it.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:46:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: ATCO Sessions - 25 September

We should also add that ATCO was a prestige label - though in the USA it tended to be Atlantic's "non-soul / R&B" output. Bobby Darin was on ATCO, and after Levon & The Hawks, Spencer Davis Group, then the Julie Driscoll / Brian Auger This Wheel's On Fire … according to the recent MOJO 60s, they wanted "The Mighty Quinn" but Manfred Mann had had first choice. In the UK, The Stones I Throw was on full black-label Atlantic. The main white artists on there were Sonny & Cher, though the other non-American act apart from Levon & The Hawks was Byron Lee & The Ska Kings who had put out an Atlantic ska LP in 1964.

As I've mentioned before, "He Don't Love You" gets on Ace's superb "AT The Club" in the "Where it's AT" CD series of Atlantic rarities. As far as I can see the only "white" acts on there are Levon & The Hawks and Mel Torme … and he's there because "Comin' Home Baby" was a surprise crossover club hit.

Good job I just looked at that, Ian … I just see that ACE's obsessive compilers have done it again. It's dated on the rear sleeve:

A TRO Production. Supervised by Eddie Heller. 25 September 1965.

Ace claim that wherever humanely possible they source master tapes too.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:32:29 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Delighted to see your better judgement prevailed, David. You have been much missed.

Good stuff here the last couple of days on Buddy Cage, John Hammond (At least I'm not as negative as Greil Marcus, Jerry!)


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:31:43 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Research with text is good

David P: Good judgement returning to set us straight. That research backed up with comments from text helps our friend, Ian W and also the rest of us who have an interest in how things went down. Though any of us are able to read these books, who remembers to do it. You've done it in the past and comment on those references here. 'Good on you!'. Thank you from me and from anyone else interested in those 1965 events leading up to the magic that followed.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 17:59:51 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff, I don't think my comments about NRPS require your rebuttal. The fact is that they were inactive for a number of years and (relatively) recently released two albums on Woodstock records. I haven't heard these albums, so I have no comment on them.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 17:45:00 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

It sounds like y'all need some help with the Levon and The Hawks chronology. Against my better judgment I'm popping in here to add a little bit of some research I did previously on this subject.

According to Barney Hoskyns in "Across the Great Divide: The Band and America" that Atco recording session took place in "early 1965." He quotes Robbie Robertson shedding some light on that session:

"Those records were just some people trying to sign us up...We didn't know what was going on and we didn't have any control over it. They just whipped us into the studio and we had to cut a few songs in an afternoon. We just kind of feebled our way through the thing and got the hell out of there. We didn't know that end of it at all, how you've got to be able to talk back a little if you're going to do what you want to do."

Hoskyns further adds: "With the failure of the Atco singles, the despondent Hawks headed home once more to Toronto. 'We left with our tails dragging' admits Rick." Back in Toronto they played at Friar's Tavern before heading South in spring 1965 to play the Delta Supper Club in West Helena.

According to Craig Harris in "The Band: Pioneers of American Music" Levon and The Hawks also played the junior/senior prom at Marvell High School in April 1965. It was during this trip also that the "legendary" meeting & jam session with Sonny Boy Williamson took place.

Around this time Levon, Robbie and Garth also returned to New York City to play on John Hammond's "So Many Roads" sessions before Harold Kudlets got the Hawks booked for the summer gig at Tony Mart's in Somers Point, N.J. The club was on the ground floor of former hotel, so many of the acts stayed in upstairs rooms of the large building, adjacent to the traffic circle leading to the 9th Street bridge across the bay to Ocean City.

Carry on.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:54:34 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Hammond (Jr)

Not often I disagree with you, Peter. I have seen John Hammond in concert many times. I'm a huge fan of his song interpretations, both vocally and instrumentally. I eagerly await every one of his albums. His take on this song is great though different. Like Dylan in the early 60s (many 'hated' his voice and interpretations), he may be an acquired taste for some.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:41:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jonathan Taplin added:

(Robbie)’s just a killer musician. On that record he made with John Hammond in 1964, they had Robbie playing guitar and Mike Bloomfield on piano. I mean it was obvious who was the better player then.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:40:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The "intimidated" quote is Levon in TWOF:

"John (Hammond), a scholar of the music we’d grown up on, realized the electric blues was the medium of the moment … Michael Bloomfield was there, but he was too intimidated to play in front of Robbie, who was considered the best in the land. "


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:35:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Nice article, PSB. You handled the Bloomfield switch to piano much better than I did a few years ago. I think an article said that Bloomfield was intimidated by Robbie’s guitar prowess, so switched. That was the gist anyway. People had steam coming out of their ears here saying what an amazing guitarist Bloomfield was, but of course diffidence does not mean lack of playing ability, but rather a self-effacing personality confronted with a hero.

I’m not that crazy about ‘So Many Roads’ – love the backing, but not the lead vocal unfortunately. To me the big question is, how could anyone familiar with Who Do You Love? by Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks dare to recut it with the same guys? It exposes his vocal mannerisms.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:25:50 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I like it. I would have said Bengali Tex-Mex, but who knows who got there first? Still, my favourite non-Tex-Mex Tex-Mex is "Baby Come Back" by (Eddie Grant and) the Equals.

Nice to see attention being paid to our guys' days with Atco (and their early days with Dylan). As far as I'm concerned, the short and spotty history of "The Stones I Throw" (which is one of my very favourite Bandian records) is absolutely key to Levon's departure.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 16:16:12 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: So Many Roads revisited

Gaslight Records is a new site devoted to music that happened half a century ago. The link is to an article I wrote about John Hammond's "So Many Roads" which of course featured Mark Levon Helm, Jaime R. Robertson and Eric Hudson.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 15:33:57 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO not TRIO

Mea culpa! Thanks, JT and others. I was looking on-line for something to do with another subject (dating a Dylan interview from that period) when an image of the label came up but it was not in the best quality.. I should have looked at the discography herein before banging off my questions. I should probably get new glasses, too.

I was looking for something else around that period and the date of the Atco session would have helped but I have been unable to find anything that might suggest a date.

Levon and the Hawks finished their contract at Tony Mart's around the end of August 1965. Robbie and Levon went to California for Dylan's Hollywood Bowl concert on 3 September. I have a note that they travelled out there on 1 September (but can't recall the source) and Dylan held a press conference in Hollywood on 4 September. If they flew there and back with him in the venerable Lockheed Lodestar, then I guess the earliest they came back was 5 September.

The next thing for them was the Friars booking. When did it start and when did it finish? Was there time for a New York recording session between the California trip and the first Friars gig?

We know that Dylan saw them at Friars from 15 to 17 September. Why would he go up to Toronto to rehearse with them if they were due to return to New York in the days after the Friars gig but before his concerts in Texas?

We know that Dylan flew down to Texas on 23 September and that the most likely date for his return was 26 September, so there could not have been a recording session in New York on those days.

If they were back in New York at the end of September, does that mean that the Atco session took place then?



Entered at Tue Jul 21 15:17:16 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, the present version of The Riders been together quite along time now. The several periods without a version of the Riders were short.

Pat, I wouldn't be surprised if in real life Coach was one of those attorneys that specializes in dealing with abusive, maniupulative, control freak spouses.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 15:08:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: If you need cheering up …

Try the great Raghu Dixit Project (linked) … this is the band I saw on Sunday. These are really uplifting sounds!


Entered at Tue Jul 21 15:06:20 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Buddy Cage played Yonge Street with Ronnie Hawkins briefly in the mid '60s and later turned up on Ronnie's 1968 album on the Yorkville label, the one with his hit cover of Lightfoot's "Home From The Forest". However, he's not on that album because of Hawkins but because he was part of the local clique that the in-house C&W producer at Arc Records (Yorkville's parent company), Ben Weatherby, used most of the time. So Cage is on tons and tons of awful country records, sometimes credited, mostly not. Note that he's not on all of Arc's C&W records: Bob Lucier, Daniel Lanois' steel mentor, is also on lots, as are a couple others.

Weatherby used Cage and other C&W guys to do the guide tracks and then turned proceedings over to the label's in-house rock and roll producer, the young Brian Ahern. Ben's understanding was that Ahern would overdub and wipe all the original tracks, but Ahern chose instead to build on them, adding second and third musicians on most tracks - John Till being the most notable contributor. And everybody got credited on the album.

I suspect that it was Ahern who brought Amos Garrett into the picture at Arc. Though he's not on the Hawkins LP, he is on other Arc albums, sometimes with Cage, sometimes not. I believe they were both on Anne Murray's Arc LP, produced by Ahern, and they're certainly both on her Ahern-produced "Snowbird" album on Capitol. As you know, they were also in Ian and Sylvia's Great Speckled Bird in the same period.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 14:59:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BEG: If you speak to Jimmy, remind him that he only seeks Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks records if Robbie Robertson is on them! (Overheard at Reading record fair standing next to him).

Sorry I missed your Otis Redding link. Great minds think alike.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 14:59:44 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Buddy Cage revisted

And I forgot, "Meet Me In The Morning" which features the fuzz steel solo is on the original album. The version of "You're Big Girl Now" with Cage was released on Biograph. One very cool thing about the interview you posted makes it clear that Cage was the one who did overdubs. Certain Dylan writers assume it was organist Paul Griffin.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Buddy Cage is credited

B.E.G., Buddy Cage is credited on Blood On The Tracks unless you have the version with the different back cover which is white and not the usual color that was issued briefly. Sometimes it's a good idea to look at the cover and see what it says. The Minnesota musicians are the ones who are not credited.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rhythm J: Thanks for the reminder about that exchange. I had the record in front of me, which helped.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, thanks for posting that piece. Interesting stuff.

The New Riders were a good country rock band, they reformed several years ago and have released a few albums on Woodstock records, so that's another Band connection.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 13:53:28 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J!!!!!!! I forgot to post yesterday that Jimmy Page is at Indigo this afternoon but.........Look what takes place now!!!!!!!......wristbands are given out at 8:00 am and line-ups since last night.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 13:29:46 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

When I read A Simple Twist of Fate: Bob Dylan and the Making of Blood on the Tracks".....I had no idea that Buddy Cage played on some of the tracks but that they weren't included on the original recording.....Therefore, no credit.

He joined the third line-up of New Riders, which existed as from November 1971, and in the end played on ten of their albums and was with them for 11 years. The first album he's on is Powerglide (1972), followed by Gypsy Cowboy and Panama Red (1973), Home on the Road and Brujo (1974). On Brujo, at producer BOB JOHNSTON's request, they cut a version of Dylan's "You Angel You", and a Columbia exec and friend of Dylan"s, Ellen Bernstein, gave Dylan the album - as a result of which Cage was invited to play on the original New York sessions for Blood on the Tracks in September 1974.

Cage's account is colourful: "Ostensibly he was supposed to listen to "You Angel You", but when he heard the other things that I was playing with the Fuzz Tone, he said "Oh, is he going to be around? I"m going to be doing some more sessions in New York . . ." So. . . . I came over, but it was one of those situations where I was alone out in the studio. The studio was huge, man, and it was this cavernous feeling of "Oh God, man . . .". So, he says Phil Ramone was on the board. For Christ's sake, I mean no production credit at all. Just to do the engineering! It was like holy fuck man! This is big time! I"m sitting here, Dylan is over there, Phil is sitting here and MICK JAGGER is behind me, just being an observer. and I"m thinking "Man, this better be good!" "Then Dylan says "Uh, Phil, play him the tunes." Here was like 18 of the most incredible masterpieces of Dylan that you could hope to hear. . . . I looked at Dylan, and I looked at Ramone, and I said "What the fuck am I supposed to do with those?! They"re masterpieces, they are finished!" Dylan went "Oh, thank you man, but I would like for you to get some stuff on there." I went [sigh] "I honestly don't know where to begin." He said "Phil, play them again: play him the tunes." 18 more fucking tunes! So finally I kind of bookmarked "Meet Me in the Morning" and a couple, three more is all. "But the funny thing was, the way that I was used to recording was, I will record over everything. You start the tape and I will start and at the end of the tape I will give you two or three, four versions of it. You have extra tracks - till I burn out spiritually and then you could do whatever you want in the final mix. Dylan hated that, man. I did one take, then two takes, then I"m going to offer one more.

Then I did like a third take and then there was like this silence. The red light would go off, end of the song, and I was sitting there, and all fucking alone: you had to see this place. . . . You could barely see through the glass: you could just see Ramone . . . with his head in his Hand s. Finally . . . Dylan . . . walks out and . . . sticks his boot tips under my pedal board and he says "The first six verses are singing! You don't play! The last verse is playing! You play!" Then he turns around and walks out. "I was stunned. . . . I looked through the glass and I saw Phil and them go like this [waves his Hand in the air] . Like, there he goes again, right? Just in that split second the old punk ass came out. Normally it wouldn"t, but just in that situation I said, Fuck you, Jack. I deserve to be here you little son of a bitch. . . . I knew what he wanted, and so Phil hit the foldback and he said "Buddy, do you want to practice one out?" I said "No, hit the tape." . . . the little red light comes on and I"m thinking you little motherfucker, you"re not getting away with this. . . . "I just played it just like he wanted it, I took the direction and stuff like that.

Then when it came out to the end, I played the end in one take and I had the picks off and the bar down before the red light was off. I was walking out of the room, and I"m walking hard man, and I pushed open the fucking door and Dylan is sitting back in the control room and he leaned back and said "Hah!" . . . Dylan says to Phil "Play it man, it was great!" . . . after the playback . . . I said "Bob, that was the toughest three and half minutes of my life. . . . Not playing it but sitting here listening to it with you." He said "Can you go out and do some more?"" So Cage overdubbed steel guitar onto "Call Letter Blues" (released in 1991 on Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3), the backing track which was re-used for the released track "Meet Me in the Morning"; and onto "You"re a Big Girl Now".

He played too on the session of September 18, when Dylan made a number of attempts at "Buckets of Rain", none of which have circulated. Cage resumed life with the New Riders of the Purple Sage, whose next album, Oh What a Mighty Time (1975), the last of their Columbia albums, included "Farewell Angelina". After that they switched to MCA and in 1978 Cage quit and coformed the San Francisco All Stars, rejoined New Riders in 1980 and left again in "82 (though they reunited for a one-off in October 2001).

He worked in a trio with RICK DANKO in 1987 and toured Australia with THE band in 1988, but he spent most of the 1980's swamped by an alcoholism far more incapacitating than the drugs habits of earlier years. Near the end of the decade he attended an AA meeting, and it saved his life. He's stayed sober ever since. "One day at a time."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!
I heard this song in NYC....Tribute to Dylan's Blood On The Tracks.
Amy was in fine form with her band mates. Buddy Cage was the only member on stage who actually played on BOTT......but as I recall......He never received credit.

Ollabelle sings Dylan's "You're a Big Girl Now"

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Jul 21 08:10:31 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lost Toronto

Yonge Street/Then and Now


Entered at Tue Jul 21 06:45:59 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Jeff, that's a shame. I always thought DP was a cool head.

Dang, I go away from the guestbook for four years or so, and look what happens!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Coach, by your reckoning you must be a simpering little coward who is terrified to post anything of note other than juvenile asides about me and hockey--oh, and hide behind a series of lame nom de plumes. We eagerly await if Jeff approves of such tactics.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 06:04:44 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Jon Finley- A Change Is Gonna Come:

Saved - Northern Blues Gospel All Stars 2002 (cd): Bill M: I think you directed me to this one and I bought it. Jon Finley et al: Cut 9: "A Change Is Gonna Come": Brilliant!


Entered at Tue Jul 21 05:47:01 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jimmy, I don't recall who pissed him off, but David had enough of some one and jumped ship.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: TRO and Eddie again

Rhythm Jimmy: Right on ! There it is, the interchange that discusses Ian's question. This archive is a treasure trove. Unfortunately, no absolute date or studio location is noted.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: "TRO Production / Supervised by Eddie Heller"

For anyone else who may have Googled it, the relevant posts are an exchange between Bill M and David P., 16:30–17:03, Sept. 1, 2009.

Sometimes it would sure be handy to search within pages in the guestbook archive.

And whatever happened to David P.? I remember being awed by his encyclopedic knowledge.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: TRO Productions

Eddie Heller produced 3 cuts on The Band 's 'A Musical History' in 1965 including this one.

TRO can also be found as TRO Musical Productions (on line via google) and The Roar Of The Greaepaint is attributed to it (Anthony Newly's show of the 60s). Whether it is the same company is unclear to me from my reviews of the sites.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 04:09:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Close examination of the 45 Stones That I Throw

It is TRO Productions, not TRIO, Ian. (I checked a number of labels of this record on line) It is Eddie Heller, who had a small recording facility called Rainbow in NYC at 767 10th Ave. Date is September apparently from any research. Exact date unknown. Rainbow recorded all kinds of R&B and before that Latino acts apparently.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 01:48:49 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "The Stones I Throw" single

The Levon and the Hawks" Atco 45 "The Stones I Throw" has the words A TRIO PRODUCTION on the label under the performer name. Does anyone know anything about Trio Productions or whatever they were called?

Could it be anything to do with Albert Grossman, who managed Peter, Paul & Mary through Trio Concerts Inc?


Entered at Mon Jul 20 23:11:23 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Enjoyable review Pete. I'm always glad to read about such a great show by an artist that I also like.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Raghut Dixit

Indian rock band from the Larmer Tree Festival linked. I only went because the programme spelled the nam as "Rangit Dixie" which I thought would be an Indian version of Hayseed Dixie. What a pleasant surprise! Great band.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 19:58:46 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Sam Cooke's Covers

Although Sam singing Bring it On Home to me is a classic, I will say that my favourite cover of that song is by the Animals. Alan Price's keyboards and Eric Burdon's vocal; indeed Bring It On Home.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 19:26:09 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Much as I like Laverne Baker singing "Saved" (or just about anything else), I think I prefer Richard singing the song with our guys on "Cahoots". Rick singing "A Change Is Gonna Come" is, however, not in the same league as the original (or some other covers). Did the Hawks perform the song regularly back in the olden days? The local singer who 'owned' the song back in the day was, I understand, Zeke Sheppard, who was also a regular at the Concord, fronting Zeke Sheppard and the Good Shepherds; Zeke's version was said to make grown men cry. Nothing on record, unfortunately, though he did get to reprise the song as a member of Blackstone (i.e., Rhinoceros) in the early '70s. Presumably he'd also sung this song when he got up to guest with Hawkins and the Hawks occasionally. Blackstone's (and Rhinoceros's) principal singer, John Finley, also guested with Hawkins, and in fact was offered the frontman spot with Levon and the Hawks after they'd left Hawkins. He said no, choosing to stay with Jon and Lee and the Checkmates. Although John's back in Toronto now, he spent a lot of time living in LA, and in fact won an award as the best gospel singer in the USA - in the late '70s I believe. In the early years of this century I (sitting with John D)saw him deliver a killer "A Change Is Gonna Come" (with Richard Bell on organ).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Cliff

Well, here it is. Reggae superstar Jimmy Cliff at the Larmer Tree Festival. A completely brilliant show. Linked.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 18:51:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Test

Mack & Mabel got 9 clicks from The Band site yesterday, and 2 this morning. So 11 responders. I don't know if anyone went via Facebook … that had 98 people looking.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 18:05:42 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: A friend in need is a friend indeed.

I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever Pete links reviews on his site, I'll be sure to click a few times. (Is anyone paying him by the word? Is any one paying him by the click?)


Entered at Mon Jul 20 15:34:31 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Dylan Fest AC

Dylan Fest AC is a show taking place in Atlantic City, NJ on August 28th, the 50th anniversary of Bob Dylan's Forest Hills concert, which happens to be in my case the first time I saw Robbie and Levon play though I didn't know who they were until a couple of days later.

Why Atlantic City? Because it's a few minutes from Somers Point, NJ and Tony Mart's where Levon & The Hawks had a summer residency.

I will be performing (the acoustic) set along with The Five Believers who will do the electric set.

There will be a lot more stuff happening at this show which is presented in more detail at the link above and you can also get tickets.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pete Seeger & his (re-)actions during Bob Dylan's electrified performance at Newport 1965

Happy Healthy Monday!


Entered at Mon Jul 20 14:36:33 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....once again a 20 year old's cover of "A Change Is Gonna Come". At first I thought......You're too young and haven't lived enough to sing this song but then when the song "pops" and "marinates" and he growls with deep emotion......Some people have lived a lot in their young years......add racism to the mix and yeah......oppression may be more subtle but nevertheless still present.....
Women also had to fight for their rights as well.....and we still struggle with sexism and violence against women daily.

I remember comedian Chris Rock during one of his stand up comedy routines yelling out to the crowd.....paraphrasing......."Which one of you would like to take my place? I'm young, I'm rich, I'm famous.........I'm black.......Didn't think so!"

Good to "see" you Joan!! I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad that the songs helped make your Sunday a good one! I'm such a pedestrian (thank you Pat B) that you'll find me on the street constantly listening to music....I usually play shuffle songs so that's it's always a surprise who comes on next from many genres.....only classical and jazz are not present.

Although at home imagezulu has all our radios on the jazz channel and at night he'll have it on......Some mornings he'll be blasting blues first thing in the morning......Where we meet.....soul, reggae.......I still can't get over how he saw CCR in 1969 and only was there because his friends wanted to go but he didn't like them.......Whaaaaaaaat? lol


Entered at Mon Jul 20 14:12:54 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Scroll down and you'll see that I did indeed post a video of Otis Redding and "A Change Is Gonna Come". I guess most of you missed it after I posted Al Green's cover. I only have the Greatest Hits of these artists and of Sam Cooke's but they're the triology for me in the soul genre and I won't compare any of them. So here is the video from yesterday again with some footage of Otis. I read a bio on him but as yet haven't read one on Sam or Al.

The other video I posted yesterday of Yolanda Adams singing Lionel Ritchie's "Jesus Is Love" at one of the BET Awards show.....He was given a Life Time Achievement Award......In his acceptance speech he stated.....If my memory serves me well......"Soul is not about a colour.....He paused.......but a feeling." Van Morrison would also agree with him.

"A Change Is Gonna Come" for me.......for me......was about change in my own life during dark times....not about the Civil Rights Movement. Power of music once again.


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Peter V, perfectly said. I couldn't agree more. The linked article from The New Yorker last year about the origin of the song is very interesting.

Pat B, thanks for the tip on the Bobby Keys bio. A fun read.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Otis

You mean you’re discussing A Change Is Gonna Come and no one has mentioned Otis Redding? I've linked his version from "Otis Blue". In my Moondog Matinee article, I said:

I prefer the originals of both Holy Cow and A Change Is Gonna Come . I think a white singer can act out the latter, can perform brilliantly (and indeed Rick Danko does), but on this particular song, with all its ramifications, I think the `soul' just has to be authentic.

I love Aaron Neville’s take from “Bring It On Home- The Soul Classics” and play that album often, but the other thing is the song has a time context too, when Sam Cooke wrote it, and when Otis Redding covered it. In the end, any white singer covering it is technically interesting, can be moving and beautiful, but in the end it really is like a Frenchman singing “Rule Brittania.” There’s an inevitable lack of … sincerity? soul? true understanding? context? Probably all of them.

It's Sam Cooke's song, and Otis Redding was a huge fan of Sam Cooke. I'll extract a comment from Toppermost:

Shake. Change Is Gonna Come, Cupid. Wonderful World, You Send Me, Chain Gang, Nothing Can Change This Love, Bring It On Home To Me (Otis & Carla). Are there any more Sam Cooke covers? They are not far off an “Otis sings Sam Cooke” album. The contrast between Sam’s smoother voice and Otis is strong, but Otis loved the songs. Mainly the Sophie’s Choice is “impossible.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 03:47:47 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

You Tube is inundated with recent performances of A Change is Gonna Come by Blondie chaplin with Skollie or with Waddy Wachtel's band. We all get older, voices change. The recent performances are all admirable, and Blondie is still a favorite performer of mine. Back in the late 70s, all through the 80s and throught the 90s, i caught many powerfully gorgeous renditions of change is Gonna Come by Blondie. Some were with Rick, some were with Skollie. Some with both....But they were generally magnificient and moving, perfect.....


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Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Malford Milligan - A Change Is Gonna Come

An Austin resident and regular performer there -


Entered at Sun Jul 19 21:12:33 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Dunc, Thanks for the link. I had not heard Aaron Neville's cover before. I like it. Aaron Neville is a wonderful singer, but I have to give the nod to Al Green. Of course, our guys did this song justice on 'Moondog Matinee'.

Afer listening to Aaron Neville, I came across a version by Van that has some strong moments, too. Check it out.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 21:04:01 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island
Web: My link

Subject: the music, my friends, may it never end

What started as a one off fundraising show a couple years ago is taking on a life of it's own. The Not-So-Righteous Brothers and special guests had a four hour show last night that was sold out weeks in advance. Opened with some fine acoustic folk and blues, then instruments were plugged in and things took off. By the time Pat W. closed with 'Moondance' & 'Stormy Monday' we were all on our knees and begging for deliverance. Made money at the door cause most were playing for free. Sold a lot of booze. Truly an evening of profit and pleasure.

Link is to Rhiannon Givens and her response to Charleston.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Another great version, Ben

I like the two already mentioned versions of 'A Change Is Gonna Come'but this is a good version too, Ben.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 20:09:01 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

BEG thanks for all the morning music. Good Sunday staff


Entered at Sun Jul 19 17:05:34 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl. YES YES YES. I love Al Green's version of 'A Change is Gonna Come'. Just Magnificent. I actually think it tops Sam Cooke's.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 17:00:54 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sun Jul 19 16:47:17 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Dare I say you're an obnoxious, self important, melodramatic old queen these days? I hadn't realized you were owed congratulations because a team you have nothing to do with won the trophy.

Could you share another fascinating internet story? The last one had the regulars clamoring for more.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 16:20:45 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Sam Cooke was a magnificent singer. I recently picked up a cd of his later work called 'keep movin on'. This disc has Cooke's version of 'Country boy', which I had never heard before. Very nice.

On a related note, I'm currently reading Peter Gurlanick's book, 'Sweet Soul Music'. The chapters on Sam Cooke and Solomon Burke are quite interesting. Burke in particular seems to have been quite a character.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:24:11 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Kevin, anything left of the fungi that I could . . . um . . . borrow? I needed a good Sunday morning laugh. Thnx.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:18:21 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Happy Healthy Sunday!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:15:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day is from one of Gospel's finest!
If going to church was like this I would never have become an atheist and then an agnostic.

If you're patient you'll see how she cooks this song...She starts out slowly and then she builds the song.....and then....she's into another world!

Bonus is watching the performer who is being honoured and wrote the song as well as the audience. At the end he stands up and you even see rapper Nicki Minaj showing appreciation.
I always try and watch all the award shows because there is always a gem or two. This is one of them. If you don't think so that's ok as it doesn't diminish my enjoyment now or in the future. I just don't dig when people attack posters personally instead of the song or.....just don't respond if you're not asked for your opinion.

Kevin J....I laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 13:22:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Sam Cooke to James Hunter

Pleasant enough, hard to see if it will grow. Nowhere near as "Sam Cooke-like" as James Hunter though. Listen to People Gonna Talk linked.

As it happens I was reading the Sam Cooke article in MOJO 60s … there was a bidding war between RCA and Atlantic for Sam Cooke, and RCA won. The article says:

"If only he'd signed with Atlantic and spared the world the saccharine, string-saturated atrocities he recorded with RCA's hotshot duo Hugo Peretti and Luigi Creatore"

Jerry Wexler is quoted on the RCA records:

"Most people don't realize how bad those records are. That he overrode a lot of sterility in them is a tribute to his genius."

The bottom line is that RCA let Sam Cooke retain publishing … Atlantic refused to do, hence the sour grapes.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 12:52:51 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Leon Bridges

Speaking of Sam Cooke, who will never ever be surpassed, there is a new retro soul singer getting rave reviews, Leon Bridges. Of course I fell for the hype and downloaded his new record. Now this is totally pedestrian blah music. The thing is the linked song has almost 2 million views! Is this good or mediocre?


Entered at Sun Jul 19 12:34:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

A little test. I don't link theatre reviews here, only music ones (there will be one tomorrow … off to see Jimmy Cliff tonight). But I just put up a review of Mack & Mabel (the musical about Mack Sennett & Mabel Normand) starring Michael Ball. I have a lot on real film history v the story for silent film buffs.

The test is click on the link … I'm not seeking Google ratings at all, most of my views come from theatre blogs … but I can check referred links. You don't have to read it. But it would be interesting to see how many people there actually are on a Sunday. i'll post the result!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 11:26:54 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

good post Peter. A lot of silly crap going on here recently.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 10:19:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

STOP BICKERING! I would guess that traffic here is down considerably. It does perk up when something of interest crops up, so people do check in. But when they read Jeff still harping on about his personal grudge against Pat, and anonymous "Coaches" they stop reading. Pat is a long respected musical poster, and fends off these continual digs with succinct one liners. Good for him.

Continual bickering will eventually confine this forum to history … not because our host pulls the plug, but because people just drift away.

I'm happy to debate the merits of Cahoots and RCO All Stars as music, but let's not attack Pat, or Ben, for their honest opinions.

It may be that people have no interest in musical reviews or are just bored with them, but when I linked a concert review a few months ago, I was getting 16 to 30 "hits" from this place. Recently it's 2 to 3. It may be my repetitive stuff, but I suspect it's also far fewer people reading here.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 08:11:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, though i think you are correct about Pat's posting, "debating", self righteous intimidation etc etc technique, and the negative effects it has had on the GB, whatever i think of your antics, i ascribe amateur status to your past recent efforts to point it out and do something about it.
Now Pat, he operates on a professional level of disruption and antagonism. In other words, he's a professional prick poster.
Though i don't approve of the manner in which you operate Ben ( nor do i approve of Pat's) , if you continue your chosen path, I do hope you raise your game. Truth is, it's a hopeless cause. The most you can hope for is a constant battle with the man. Just don't try to tell people how to post, don't insist that you know what people should be discussing, and i'll leave you alone to your war. If all there was to discuss here was The Band, this GB would be over.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:47:26 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Oh yeah, Coach. 4-2, no sweep, but our third and fourth lines killed theirs. I must have missed your congratulations.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:42:50 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, you and Jeff should get a room. You two can discuss the reprehensible and devious ways I express my opinions, and perhaps Coach can teach you how to make spitballs.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:10:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Jeff, I come to this guestbook to discuss things related to the Band. I really don't understand the comment about hiding or people not knowing who I am. I've been posting comments here under my name since the 1990's. I used to trade Band tapes with people on this site back then. I do like your cartoon character comment, as long as I get to pick the character I'll take Moe Szyslak.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 06:13:02 CEST 2015 from (24.114.51.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I sprinkled some magic mushrooms into my beer a few hours ago....and guess what:

- Robbie's warmed up and invited brown eyed girl to a rock n roll fornicatorium.

- Peter V's eloped with Serenity and sworn to her that he's never had the faintest idea of anything to do with The Band......Lists is all he ever really cared about.

- Ben's been grooving non-stop to Storyville and now rates it above High on The Hog.

- Pat B has not only forgiven Jacques Lemaire but now rates Jeff with Jonathan Toews.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 05:13:37 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.137)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert: I read a good part of "Eternal Golden Braid", but eventually ran out of intellectual steam, though I did like the self-referential notion. Now I don't even recall what Godel was / did.

It's more shifty than self-referential, but I sometimes wonder what our guys were thinking when they named their first album. Surely not just the colour of the house they jammed in. Were they thinking of the big pink mass on the standard map of North America (i.e., Canada), or the male member (as in the song "Sink The Pink"), or the female member (as in the book "Surrender the Pink), or ...? And then there's Garth's later song "Sea To The North". The Arctic Ocean?, a great lake?, C for Canada?, C for something else?


Entered at Sun Jul 19 03:16:40 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Conrad was right

The horror! The horror!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 02:13:43 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I will certainly state that Pat has taken other approaches, less direct than yours, and imho, very reprehensible, when it comes to getting his way here.. Our battles are no secret. I'm just pointing out that you're not doing your opinion any good, or making any friends, the way you argue. Nor are you giving anyone any real reason to take your opinions seriously. that's the problem.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 01:48:36 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Peter, Coach has been here before....

Ben. Because of the fact that this GB can be heavily one sided, I've often thought & sometimes expressed that it would be best shut down..... when The Feud, or subjects related to it are aovided, or given a soft treatment, this GB is a wonderful asset. There are many people here with whom i enjoy the exchange and banter immensely. I value some real life relationships that began in this GB, some as far back as 13 years now. I do wish some GB relation ships were better, i even wish Pat & i had found a way to get along.

Re your current battle....Pat can be a real self righteous sonuvagun. I've never felt he is capable of having a honest discussion with some one who has a different opinion than he on this forum. And I think hes often argued in a low handed manner. That said, i find the manner in which you choose to communicate even more offensive. Because you don't ever seem to contribute anything positive of value here. You come in looking for a fight. You never have a sense of humor, anything good you write is certianly accompnied by straight out antagonism, nothing redeeming about it. \ I'll give Pat this. He is a professional, a known person, a public person, people know who he is, and he isn't hiding. No one knows who you are. You come in looking to draw blood, with real people, and no one knows who you are. You might as well be a cartoon character.

So Ben, it really appears that aside from BEG, no one here values anything that you have contributed. It appears that the general GB conventional wisdom is that all you really want to do is bitch and moan, anf fight with people who disagree with you... Think about that, when you tell Pat to leave.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:19:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, dear the shape-shifters are back. Traces to Switzerland. I'g guess either London, Ontario or NYC.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:06:47 CEST 2015 from (107.77.76.59)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Hell on Wheels

Norm, Hell on Wheels is back tonight.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:00:23 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach

Mr. Pat B., why don't you take some time away? You've become a cranky old dame.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 23:31:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There's few enough of us left … stop trying to exclude those who are!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 23:12:30 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, Do you think you're the only long time Band fan who posts on this guestbook. That my friend is laughable. I think that designation would apply to the vast majority of folks who participate in this guestbook.

I couldn't care less that you don't like the RCO album. I don't like Cahoots. Such is life. If you have something constructive to add to the conversation besides some misplaced sense of moral outrage, please do so.

Otherwise, maybe you would be more comfortable on a forum dedicated exclusively to the original lineup of the Band, in which no mention of the RCo All-Stars, The Cate Brothers or Jim Weider would be tolerated. Heaven forbid... If such a site doesn't exist, maybe you should start it and leave this forum for people with a divergence of opinions who want to discuss the music of the Band's entire career.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 20:47:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Strangers & Godel, Escher, Bach

The world is full of strangers, you’ll meet them every day, on the streets, in a book shop, the train or a fast food restaurant.

Talk to them, listen and give them some of you(r love), find and connect……embrace life :-)

Oh…. and read: Godel, Escher, Bach.

Have a nice weekend all.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 17:58:00 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Absurd? Good one, Ben. Funny, even. Because here's what you think: A musician who had his world turned around in 1968 by MFBP and spent the next 8 years studying the releases and analyzing every note and phrase--especially Garth--and seeing the group live a bunch and wept when they played SNL and wept again at TLW movie, that musician found the then newly released RCO All stars album incredibly lacking and uninspired because he has personal prejudices and biases. Brilliant.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 15:15:47 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Bobby Fuller Song

Did Robbie ever finished that Bobby Fuller song?

“You fought the law and the law won,
look up and count your fingers son ......”


Entered at Sat Jul 18 14:40:01 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown eyed Girl, I appreciate your honesty and open-minded approach. You certainly can't go wrong with Al Green. Have you heard his version of 'A change is gonna come'? He definitely gave Sam Cooke a run for his money and may have surpassed him.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 14:03:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Ben. I found some links of Levon Helm and the RCO Allstars at The Palladium and listened.......No change in my opinion at all. Just as you're not drawn to Robbie's solo work, I'm not drawn to most of Levon's solo work, although I do like a few songs on two of his solo recordings that I have.....Levon Helm and American Son. My partner can't stand Levon's voice.....so there ya go. Different strokes for different folks. Music is subjective and some music is timeless and some music is just fun for a particular time. In general......I consistently play Robbie's solo work because unlike some here......I like his voice and his writing and his guitar playing. I don't gush about the person Ben.....I have met him a couple of times and have seen him four times.......He's not warm like Garland Jeffreys when you meet him...maybe he just wasn't drawn to me....lol.......I gush about him the musician not the person.

Song for the day! Country meets soul/gospel

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 12:29:28 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The evolution of popular music

Peter, my father had a 1964 Ford 12m (with a 13m engine he always quickly added) …. every Sunday morning, just before church, that car wouldn’t start ….. I can still see him curse the entire Ford Company whilst smacking the steering wheel so badly I was certain it would break (but it never did, that Ford part was ok) …..

Anyway, Ford shortened his my father’s life by several hours as a pale coroner, with a booze breath, later assured us.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 12:25:46 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Spotniks and ABBA and whoever...

In a rare and weak moment I agree with the Northeast American lurkers and wish that some gbers should have been shot up to space with the Russian Spotnik satellite instead of the poor Laika dog... but like Brown Eyed Girl said: Happy Healthy Weekend.

I drink to that!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 10:10:58 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bill M, your comment is absurd. I've well aware of my personal biases. But, when it comes to music, I try to listen without prejudice to borrow a phrase from George Michael.

I won't apologize for being severely disappointed by 'Cahoots'. I didn't condemn the album to the attic after one listen. I've played to it numerous times over the years and will continue to do so. Maybe one day my opinion will change.

Brown Eyed Girl, Nice link. It is good to see Dylan enjoying himself on stage. I have bootleg cd that has Van and Dylan singing 'one irish rover' together.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 09:06:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, you missed the VW Group abandoning 6 volt electrical systems on the VW Beetle thus joining a world where cars started in cold and wet weather. Otherwise, you've pretty much nailed it.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 08:41:55 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: a quantitative picture of the evolution of popular music (the imitation game)

"Like any cultural artefact—and any living organism—music is the result of a variational-selection process

By analogy, a causal account of the evolution of music must ultimately contain an account of how musicians imitate, and modify, existing music when creating new songs, that is, an account of the mode of inheritance, the production of musical novelty and its constraints.”

ABSTRACT:

- The birth date of Rock’n’Roll 1955?
- ‘Revolutions’ around 1964, 1983 and 1991
- ’British Invasion’ (BI) in late 1963
- The American revolution of 1964 (the British did not initiate the American revolution of 1964, they did exploit it and, to the degree that they were imitated by other artists)
- Porsche goes water cooled 1998
- Universal human cultural trait 2001
- The selective forces acting upon new songs are at least partly captured by their rise and fall through the ranks of the charts.

Those posters who wish to make claims about how and when popular music changed can no longer appeal to anecdote, connoisseurship and theory unadorned by data from now.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 00:40:48 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.82)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Get a load of Keltner making this.

Weir, Mayer, were fine. Excellent. But Keltner made it possible. Played those Dead drums superb.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:41:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Roll The Woodpile Down

Sorry, yet another post for those who have never seen Bellowhead. I think I've linked this video before but do watch it through … it'll give an idea of the sheer exuberance of Bellowhead. As the Beatles were told in Hamburg "Make Show" and Bellowhead really do.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:33:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

It's amazing they haven;t broken through in North America, JT. Here they hoover up the awards. Link to "Let Her Run" official video from the last album.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:26:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Bill M: While I have Spotniks singles (see link), the Spotniks in London & Berlin LPs, and The Spotniks in Paris EP, I rather feel that ABBA are Sweden's greatest group.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:53:09 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Many thanks to all for the Lou Myles links and stories. I now wish I might have partaken of a Myles suit myself.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:30:19 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Robbie Robertson on the Lou Myles suits Ronnie Hawkins ordered for his Hawks to wear: "Oh yeah, those suit jackets had an inside pocket with a slit beside it, just the right size for a blackjack. There was a little strap that you would leave hanging out so when you had to, you could pull it out quickly," he said making a whacking gesture, "and bingo! Ronnie told us, you see this spot on the collarbone," he continued, tapping a finger on his neck, "well, if you hit somebody really hard on that collarbone, it doesn't matter if he's Rocky Marciano, he's going down." Robertson gives a semi-apologetic chuckle. "This was all part of our education back then."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:01:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.82)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks for linking the Lou Myles story, Sadavid. Thanks for the original nod to the man, Bonk. Without your original reporting & tip of the hat to Lou, he might never have come up here. Many of us would never have known of his existence.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 20:19:14 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Lou Myles remembered

A personal reminiscence of the Haberdasher to the Hawks, from today's _Globe and Mail_.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 19:31:18 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.141)

Posted by:

Bill M

NWC: You knew the Spotniks, Sweden's greatest group, when they we're young? It's great that you're still in the game at that age!

Ben: You don't appear to be aware that you come across as a very biased person, even if you lean in a different direction.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 18:45:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bellowhead

Lest you wonder (or care) I am a fan of this band and appreciate your reviews. I would have never become aware of them without this site and your comments. These musicians are not 'on the radar' in Canada for most of us (maybe the true 'folk community').

As I have said so many times before, let us concentrate on the music and avoid the BS (at all costs). The recent entries (from BEG and many others) attest to a return to the right direction. Maybe we'll get more of this. It is welcome.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 17:52:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When all else fails, accuse someone of bias. It feels good.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:16:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Live At The Paladium is, for me, much better than the RCO All Stars album, albeit with much the same material. There's a vigor about the playing which is absent from the studio album.

I defend pedestrians … in Poole and London you're in constant danger from lycra clad cyclists on the pavement and riding straight across pedestrian crossing and traffic lights. Last year, walking with a three year old on the promenade by the beach … 10 mph limit for cycles, one rode BETWEEN me and the three year old flat out, head down. That's about 25 mph. Another put a child in a coma for several weeks after riding across a pedestrian crossing with small children walking across. Fortunately he went to prison. Good.

BUT as an adjective rather than a noun, pedestrian means "plodding and uninspired" and I think that fits.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:15:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.....just one more because Van brings out the smilies in Dylan!

Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, More and More , New York,16.01.1998

And Ben....I'm a total pedestrian in Toronto as I live downtown. Just helping out the neighbourhood with less pollution and good for the mind and body.

Happy Healthy Weekend!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:02:01 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok Ben I will listen later when I have the time and report back. As far as bias goes I learned a long time ago in University that we all have one. Otherwise, we're not honest or we're not aware we have one. Also some groups I loooove live like BARK but there are only a few songs I have on my Nano. I have no idea why I didn't see the reformed Band in town. I do know this.....When I was in a Deli and heard Levon's voice with the reformed Band on "Atlantic City"(Springsteen).......I was totally drawn in. I was so hopeful that although Robbie moved on that I still had the rest of the magic to experience. So I immediately bought Jericho. I immediately realized the songs just weren't there but I kept playing the record as some records need repeated listening to get 'it". Nope. To this day I only listen to.....Atlantic City, Blind Willie McTell (Dylan) and Too Soon Gone (Jules Shear and Stan Szelest). Ben it's like when you go to see a film with some of your favourite actors.....and.......the film flops because the story line just isn't there. I used to have a DVD of The Clash where Joe Strummer talked about the magic of the original Clash or any band for that matter....and how precious and sacred that is even if one of them is nodding off.....which isn't a good thing in rock....maybe you can get away with it in jazz......once something changes with that original brew........magic is gone, gone, gone.

Song for the day....Yay!!!!! I finally found the time and place of this recording on my Nano. Here Bob is how shall we say....having a little too much fun.....but love his smiling, smiling, smiling. Btw, when they performed at MSG on a double bill.....I was soooooo close to making that show....so close!

Bob Dylan,Van Morrison, Tupelo Honey/Why Must I Always Explain? Belfast 06.02.1991

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:47:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

Review linked of "Britain's Best Live Band", Bellowhead, at Larmer Tree Festival, Dorset, 16th July. This was the second gig of their ten month "Farewell Tour."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:02:35 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: "This young woman"

Don't get a wrong impression because of my words of "this young woman" ignoring me. A young female Cambridge literature scientist thanked me in foreword of her survey for awhile ago so I am not totally out of the race yet!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:55:49 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Brown Eyed Girl, I respect but disagree with your opinion of the RCO album. Have you by any chance listened to their live at the Palladium cd? For you or anyone else who finds the studio album to be pedestrian, please give an unbiased listen to the live cd. It really cooks.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 12:22:15 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: BONK's RIP post

BONK's constructive words to Mr. Dener deserve to be repeated: (BONK): "... why don't you take the time and tell the rest of us some great anecdotes of your time with the group. I for one would love it! ... We're all getting older Butch and some time soon, it won't matter anymore." (End of BONK's words). So true.

Let me take a warning example: myself. For a few years ago a young literature scientist was seeking for material to her Ph. D. thesis on Sweden's greatest rock band and especially the lyrics. The majority of these boys had been my students so I wished to be able to contribute something. This young woman was not too interested in an old man's reminiscenses and thoughts. I was disappointed, really. - So think about this, please.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 08:31:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Urban dictionary of pedestrian......I agree. Why? Well....on Levon's RCO-Allstars there is only one song that I dig and it ain't the one that Robbie supposedly is on, "Sing, Sing, Sing". The only one I ever put on my Nano is, "You Got Me."

With all these musicians.....and still....one song that resonates....one song where I feeeeeeel the groove and like the lyrics......one song. Listening to it now....."You got me spinnin'. You got me spinnin' like a spinnin' top. And you got me hopin'....."
Sidemen:

Paul Butterfield, harmonica Steve Cropper, guitar Dr. John, guitar/keyboards Robbie Robertson, guitar Howard Johnson, horn Fred Carter, guitar Jeanette Baker, vocal Donald "Duck" Dunn, bass John Flamingo, vocal Henry Glover, "band master" Garth Hudson, accordion Booker T. Jones, keyboards Lou Marini, saxophone Emmeretta Marks, vocal Charles Kaipo Miller Serenaders Ray Kinney, saxophone Eddie Offord, engineer Alan Rubin, trumpet

Don't mind me Bill M 'cause I have strong reactions to music.....Some songs can grow on you with many listens but not this recording.....not for me. So what, right? :-D


Entered at Fri Jul 17 07:57:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I think if you heathens actually look up the word, you will find is quite apt.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 07:42:48 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Shanks mare

Pat B: As an ardent pedestrian, I do not appreciate your rather snide comparison with the RCO All-Stars album. Call it disappointing, call it underwhelming - but please don't call it pedestrian.

In other news, I think the phrase "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed" is a misleading excerpt from the unwritten "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed playing somebody else's tunes when he could have been touring, as the leader of his own hot band, in support of a recording of their own original songs, which had recently been released on a consequential label and which was already climbing the charts back in their stomping grounds up north and could do well all over the place if they played their cards right - but those other guys got cold feet or something."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 06:47:29 CEST 2015 from (92.83.169.60)

Posted by:

how to make your skin whiter

Web: My link

Love the site-- extremely user friendly and great deals to see!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 03:44:10 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sister Maud & Garth Hudson - Accordion Jokes - July 11, 2015

Canterbury Folk Festival
Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada


Entered at Fri Jul 17 03:39:59 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sister Maud & Garth Hudson - "The Genetic Method / Chest Fever" - July 11, 2015

Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada
Canterbury Folk Festival

Thanks again to Kevin Pohl for sharing videos.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 23:04:28 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

After the Fall.

p.s. let the previous Hazel link play on, lots of great rare Dylan songs....ok, good night.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:53:34 CEST 2015 from (24.68.4.90)

Posted by:

Adam Reid

Location: Kemptville ontario
Web: My link

Subject: Excellent web archive for an amazing group :)

Just stumbled upon the site doing a lookup on Caledonia Mission. I recently acquired the new years 71 live album and was curious if it's "backstory" was ever told.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:49:23 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

From 1996.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:27:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Hazel (spoiler alert: not new).


Entered at Thu Jul 16 21:28:29 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: looking to replace that old Karmann Ghia?

Make a bid on Keef's old ride -- Bonhams Goodwood Revival Sale takes place 12 September in Chichester, West Sussex.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 21:01:54 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan/Hawks rehearsals 1965

Thanks for the replies. My purpose was two-fold.

My current project is an article trying to pin down the date a particular Dylan interview that took place around this time. Part of the research involves identifying days when it could not have taken place and they would include concert days and when rehearsals were taking place. Or, I guess, when Levon and the Hawks were in the recording studio that month.

My long-running project is to establish information about the tours undertaken by Dylan and the Hawks in late 1965 and early 1966.

Another contact has just told me that he believes there were rehearsals prior to the Carnegie Hall concert on 1 October 1965, which, if accurate, would be consistent with Hoskyns's statement that rehearsals took place after the Austin and Dallas shows. I guess they all returned from Texas either right after the Dallas show (that is, late on 25th) or the next day (26th).

I had wondered whether there had been any rehearsals after the Friars sessions (15th to 17th Sept) and before they went off to Texas (23rd Sept).

The link to the TEXAS RANGER was great. I have had a photocopy of the article for years and years but had never seen the cover before. Sadly, I was unable to enlarge the image on the website in order to get a scan rather to replace my photocopy. The article ran to four pages in all.

The Austin show on 24th Sept was announced in THE DAILY TEXAN on 15 September, so fairly short notice, it would seem..



Entered at Thu Jul 16 16:24:55 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Dylan and Hawks in Austin

There is so much wrong stuff in that Michael Corcoran blog it's almost useless. It is highly doubtful Dylan played piano on "Maggie's Farm." He played piano on "Ballad Of A Thin Man." No Dylan album in the 20th century listed Albert Grossman as manager. Dylan did not go off to Australia and Europe with a series of fill in drummers, that happened in the US after Levon quit. However he is probably correct that Dylan met the Hawks through John Hammond Jr.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 13:06:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry, Gilbert Shelton is a cartoonist so the previous article was correct.

"Robert Shelton, born Robert Shapiro (June 28, 1926, Chicago, Illinois, United States – December 11, 1995, Brighton, England) was a music and film critic. Shelton was perhaps most notable for the way in which he helped to launch the career of a then unknown 20-year-old folk singer named Bob Dylan. In 1961, Dylan was performing at Gerdes Folk City in the West Village, one of the best-known folk venues in New York, opening for a bluegrass act called the Greenbriar Boys. Shelton's positive review, in the The New York Times, brought crucial publicity to Dylan, and led to a Columbia recording contract."


Entered at Thu Jul 16 12:49:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Didja know? Dylan and the Band debuted in Austin 9/24/65

Gilbert Shelton should be Robert Shelton and Levon left The Hawks not only because of the boooooooooing they encountered on stage but.......musical disagreements with their boss Bob Dylan? Canadian haircuts and clothes?

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 16 12:30:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day comes from Montreal, Canada. I have no idea how I discovered this song but it's been on my Nano for a long time as I like to crank up the volume when I need a quick lift to my day.
Btw, I checked out Montreal's Reggae Fest coming up next month and I didn't recognise one name. When I attended our Reggae Fest many years ago at Lamport Stadium in Toronto.....surprise, surprise......I had the absolute privilege......to witness Reverend Al Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dubmatique a Montréal Ragga DUB ( le clip)

For those of you who still need.....a Band connection......Levon Helm was a fan of reggae and other rituals. :-D


Entered at Thu Jul 16 09:33:58 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

I really liked the clips I've seen of those late 80s shows with Jim and Fred Carter. Seems like the original 3 had more room to move without lots of extra musicians. Or perhaps they had to play more to the level they were all capable of.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 08:24:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You're looking for an exact day, Ian … as I'm sure you know, "The Musical History" set doesn't get any tighter for The Stones I Throw / Liza Jane than "September 1965" and notes that the song sketch before it is "Hotel room, Somers Point, NJ". Release date is "Fall 1965." It is intriguing in relation to what they were doing with Dylan.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 00:39:46 CEST 2015 from (207.164.2.174)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: gorilla warfare

How does the editor or writer know that the finger was flipped 'unwittingly'. This was classic gorilla warfare!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 23:00:39 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:56:27 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: White light

Clark's rage.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:15:13 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Marie Marvingt

“Marie Marvingt died on December 14, 1963, the most decorated woman in the history of France. She was awarded more than 34 medals and decorations.
It is unfortunate that she is so unknown. She was a fantastic lady, and contributed greatly to the history of aviation and to the development of the airplane ambulance.

One thing that is for certain, Marvingt never slowed down. When she was 80 she earned her helicopter pilots license, and later flew over her home town in a US fighter jet, reportedly breaking the sound barrier.”


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:02:01 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Melva's Wine

Link is to a John Cash cover. Keep your ears open for the long awaited release of the Kingston Springs Suite.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 21:47:04 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Dan……That question had been asked a while back and someone here – Jeff, I believe – had noted that he had been told it related to a Maud way of remembering Levon as Levon had referred to her on occasion as Sister Maud......The confusing part is in the references in media to promote shows or appearances that will refer to Garth Hudson and sister Maud Hudson….which leads to, “ah, I had thought Maud was his wife…..” and so on.

Looking forward to Adam's report as well....and how his Robbie Tele is sounding these days.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 21:39:09 CEST 2015 from (188.149.201.11)

Posted by:

jh

Emmylou about to go on stage at Oslo Fjordfest!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 20:26:46 CEST 2015 from (38.113.85.40)

Posted by:

Dan

Location: NJ

Subject: Sister Maud

Does anyone know what the deal is with "Maud Hudson" becoming "Sister Maud Hudson?"


Entered at Wed Jul 15 19:05:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks rehearsing - September 1965

I wonder if anyone here can help me. I'm just completing another little bit of research and I have been trying to pin down some dates.

In his book, Barney Hoskyns writes that "Returning from Dallas [that is, from the concert at the SMU Coliseum on 25 September 1965], the Hawks accompanied Dylan up to Woodstock, New York .... Here the band rehearsed for the tour proper". Does anyone know the basis for this statement, in particular:

1. that the rehearsal took place in Woodstock rather than in New York City?

and

2. that the rehearsals actually took place AFTER the Dallas show, rather than before they all went down to Texas for the Austin show and the Dallas show?

What is the basis for the location and/or the chronology?

Also, do we have a precise date for the NYC session that produced the single "The Stones I Throw"?



Entered at Wed Jul 15 16:02:44 CEST 2015 from (108.36.197.190)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: absurdity and so on

Subject: "Vaults? Did somebody say vaults??" (My apologies to Jambi)

I'm not a major fan of Facebook. Too much like walking around in your underwear for the whole world to see, as my wife says. But, every now and then, via Levon's Facebook page or Anna's Levon Daily, Randy Ciarlante posts a gem he's been holding for safekeeping. Delightful and generous. The folks at LHS Studios do this regularly too. Nothing beats suddenly finding a song that's never been released, and Rando plays Santa, and leaves us a little gift !


Entered at Wed Jul 15 15:34:51 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, a frequent aspect of the best music is that it is a beautiful expression of aspects of life. People's lives. In particular or greater senses, or some combination thereof. So, music forums, especially forums that have the same cast, will of course contain a lot of other discussion & information.. That's something pretty elementary to most people who understand what The Band was about... The Band certainly was not about manipulation. Try to manipulate those guys, you were asking for a straight reaction...Of course, they weren't playing footsie on the net....


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:40:32 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, in Feb 86, I saw a couple nights worth of shows at The Lone Star, that were smoking, tight, & really perfect shows. From the first hit, to the last note of the entire night..... The 85 shows there very damn good, but not excellent throughout. 85, had some combinations of Earl Cates, Jimmy, & Blondie on guitars...The Feb 86 shows were of the highest level, & Jim was the only guitarist.

In 85, I was fresh back from the diaspora in St Louis, & caught almost every show in shooting distance that Rick & /or Richard were in. Many of those shows were beautifully perfect. The duo shows (just Rick & Richard show) in that time frame were wonderful,, the Mixed Bag show in particular, at The Lone Star, was a stunner... Many shows were just fucking great in various ways.... Some of these were Rick, Richard, Blondie & Gene Clark, just the four of em, & then there were configs of three of em. These were at Folk City..

BTW, speaking of Blondie Chaplin, he & Al Jardine have been touring with Brian Wilson.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:19:34 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

And the last song of the day.....my fave....from England's Steel Pulse....Your House! Btw, some of the best parties I've attended were at the homes of Jamaicans.....always great food, music, dancing.....I can't stand stuffy cocktail parties....yuck!

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:09:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It's Jam...aica Day today in brown eyed girl's household! Another Jamaican artist I saw in NYC's Central Park was Diana King who tends to perform in a reggae fusion style. Here she is from the Cool Runnings Soundtrack...."When a Jamaican sprinter is disqualified to the Olympic Games, he enlists the help of a dishonored coach to start the first Jamaican Bobsled Team."....coach was played by Canandian John Candy. Small world as I worked in the same store with his Aunt when I was a student but she was in toys and I was in music. Also Tiger is on this recording who I saw in Kingston, Jamaica.....just because I happen to be there at the time.....I missed Ben E King who was peforming New Year's Eve....1989/1990. The other reggae group I forgot.......getting old now......Jamaica's Zap Pow at Toronto's Edgerton's or it might have changed to The Edge. The only reggae groups I haven't seen who I still would like to see is Toots and The Maytals, Gregory Isaacs (unfortunately passed five years ago) and Steel Pulse and Ziggy Marley and The Melody Makers but they seemed to have stopped performing together.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:01:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I don't think you over praised 'Jubilation' at all. It's a really fine album. Is it the equal of MFSB or the Brown album, no, I don't think so. But nothing that the original quartet, reformed Band or solo work equaled the first two albums. Still, I think it holds up as a fine album, as dos 'Jericho'. I think 'High on the Hog' is a mixed bag.

Jeff, I agree with your comments about the 80's and 90's Band. I really wish the vaults would be opened and some of these shows would be officially released. I have a pretty large collection of live cd's and tapes covering the Band's entire career and some of my favorite shows are from the mid 80's. I think the period after the Cates left and before Randy and Richard Bell joined had some real gems.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 13:44:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and another Jimmy Cliff song my oldest music students performed was "You Can Get It If You Really Want". I always tried to promote songs that evinced positive vibes and social justice. Our Roots and Shoots Club (based on Jane Goodall's philosophy) liked this song so much that they also performed it for Jane Goodall herself.

"Jane Goodall’s Roots & Shoots is the youth-led community action and learning program of the Jane Goodall Institute. The program builds on the legacy and vision of Dr. Jane Goodall to place the power and responsibility for creating community-based solutions to big challenges in the hands of the young people. Through the program, young people map their community to identify specific challenges their neighborhoods face. From there, they prioritize the problems, develop a plan for a solution, and take action.

Our young members are part of a wave of change across the globe for people, animals and the environment. It is when the minds and hearts of many come together and act as one that we achieve measurable change and lasting impact for our future."


Entered at Wed Jul 15 13:06:53 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth and Sister Maud Hudson Canterbury Folk Festival

For those seeking solid advice about achieving musical success he offers a few words of wisdom.

“Remember names, make notes and remember music comes from everywhere,” he said.

For Sister Maud, who is a member of New York Blues Hall of Fame and was awarded of the honour of being Legendary Blues Artist 2015, her recipe for success consists of “diligence, patience, continued education and a sense of humour.”

After the festival the pair are returning to their home in Woodstock, NY, where they will participate in local events before travelling to Sweden where Garth will play pipe organs at the church where Dieterich Buxtehude was once organist and choir master.

He will also teach at Lund University and continue his work establishing the Garth Hudson School of Music."


Entered at Wed Jul 15 09:27:15 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, if you get yourself a good lawyer, you might get compensated for damages rendered to you by virtue of growing up south of all those oil refineries. Most of us old GBers are more sympathetic than it might appear.....I'm thinking Pat, Peter, Mike, I & some others might testify on your behalf...


Entered at Wed Jul 15 07:55:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My opinion of Cahoots hasn't changed since 1971 and is well-documented. I over-praised Jubilation by a mile in my review here.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 06:22:55 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, are you trying to accomplish something by repeating the same thing Ad nauseam?


Entered at Wed Jul 15 05:49:24 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff A. Wow. That was a really bizarre post. I have no idea what you're talking about, or how it's relevant. I prefer to talk about the music rather than make presumptuous and obscure regional and ethnic comments. But hey, if you want to talk about pizza places and the mean streets of Flatbush, be my guest.

Peter, I certainly agree with you on 'the moon struck one'. It seems like you're right on the brink of agreeing that 'Jericho' and 'Jubilation' are stronger albums than 'Cahoots'. It's okay, it's not sacrilegious to acknowledge that the greatest band in rock history made one stinker of an album.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:46:30 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Understood, Jeff. Thanks. And agree.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:39:00 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I needed a separation between the 2nd & 3rd sections of that last post i made- hope it's understood that general statement is not directed at you Mike...


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:34:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike, I shoulda added that it's good of you to shake Benjie by the shoulders gently as you did......an example that things are generally so much quieter than the past here ....

I'd have sent you a health call e mail months ago, but can't recall your e mail screen name. When you got a moment shoot me a e mail so I can stay in touch...This time I'll file it properly, as befits ......

The 80s & 90s Band brought great amounts of joy & musical beauty sometimes, & almost every show I saw had musical moments that were sheer beauty, and just what it should be........ I'm as critical a live customer as they come..... I've written about live 80s & 90s Band performances with regards to many aspects too many times here over the years to do it again right now....but I'll say this.... all you heroes that seem to demand perfection, that nothing less is good enough...well, if your wives or lovers applied the same standards to your time adjusted performances as you guys do the The Band, well, where would that leave ya? Maybe there's some wiggle room so to speak....... we hit the right notes and experience bliss same as the latter day Band & their audience did..... SometimeS it's just as intense and just like the old days, some parts might be different..... and the heights might be attained less frequently but can be magnificent..... but, things will change..... this is when I bring up the old discussion of Rick masks etc....i forgot about that & it's just a vague memory coming back....

I saw dozens of irreplaceable shows- and they were sometimes semi hangs, - warts & all, what The Band gave us in the 80s & 90s was manna from heaven & it's a sin & a crime to belittle it....


Entered at Wed Jul 15 01:33:33 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Pedestrian Quality

The word Pedestrian is only a perjorative in music, but on the other hand, simplicity has its good points too. Mystery Train is an example I think. A simple song that sounds so good when played loud by a good bar band.

Elvis took Jr Walker's song and made it fit the new rockabilly thing then. Same as a decade or so later by the Butterfield BB. And I like the Moondog M version too.

Sometimes it's only rock n roll. Just saying thats how simplicity can work for me - plus there's a slight chance I can play and sing it at the same time!! Con huevos too!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 00:42:22 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Jeff, I bow to your expert analysis, as always. Thanks.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 00:39:28 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Subject: I'd like to add...

I'd like to add that I really don't know why I didn't mention Dirt Farmer as a real gem... so sorry...

And I forgot one of my favorite RR masterpieces, It Is A Good Day To Die. It's just that I mostly skip the rest of his Native American cd's...

And yes Peter, I agree, American Son is a good one, sure.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 23:26:38 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: He ain't heavy

Mike Nomad, I'll try to put Ben in perspective for you - NY Jews are familiar with being just short of embarrassed by a significant percentage of Jersey Jews ( %age of the native ones). I wouldn't go so far as to say they are our cross to bear , and we certainly ain't responsible for the wayward ones. But unless they were raised by exceptionally positively strong people from elsewhere, many of those born in Jersey are certainly of a different ilk....Ben's from South Jersey, Maybe being downwind of all the oil refineries explains things....If so, he's made a heroic adjustment.... But hey, this is what makes horse races. Ben can espouse his views all he likes......... I enjoyed dozens of the 80s & 90s Band shows immensely, others not as much..... the rare few, just parts...... but, they were family, sometimes yoyu get some blood in the mud. gonna happen. Ben enjoying the latter day Band is a good thing...... I don't have to approve of his arguments, and certainly don't give a fuck if he cares for anything i contribute....Sheesh, Ben is from down there in Panzarotti territory... He's coming from behind. Be kind.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:34:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Whatever anyone tells me to the contrary, the lyrics on The Moon Struck One are unacceptable. Dreadful stuff. Robbie's worst ever moment.

Otherwise, I agree pretty much with Ragtime … except that "American Son" really has better quality songs than Levon's other early solo stuff.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:24:56 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: My Humble Opinion

I like Cahoots, especially Carnival, 4%P, Smoke Signal and TMS1 (yes, Peter), but I think The River Hymn is the dullest drab our original five have ever made. NLSC is IMO a masterpiece, including an underrated song as Rags & Bones. Islands is not an album, but a compilation of leftovers, some of them beautiful, most of them middle-of-the-road.

I like RCO All Stars, it's really fun, but the songs are not up to The Band's standards. Same for Levon's next three albums. On the Danko album, in spite of the great playing and singing on Java Blues, only one song (Once Upon A Time) survived my test of time. It's fair to say that on Robbie's first two albums the songwriting is great, but they urgently need the expertise and creativity of the other four...

As for the three post-TLW-albums, I like five or six songs on Jericho, and three or four on Jubilation. HotH seems to me an embarrassing failure with only one song that can 'stand up'. The performances are good as ever, but the songs bore me to death. And I don't like the merciless sound engineering on HotH.

Thank God we have a few real gems: Sea to the North, Electric Dirt, How To Become Clairvoyant.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:04:17 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

The Band toured Norway for the first and last time in the end of May 1994, just months before this site went on-line. We saw them in Oslo. Rick was in great shape, Garth too. Levon was clearly under the weather, but soldiered on. This was the last line-up with Weider, Bell and Ciarlante on board. Check link above for a pretty good quality two-part video from their concert in Bergen 05.29.1994, including interviews with the boys. Also included is a link to a Norwegian TV "pop-special" from 1988 with an interview++ with Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:05:07 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, Ben, I'm all for hockey, indoor plumbing, Brooklyn and four-letter words (last two references, I believe, to you, Jeff). I believe you may have also left out football, as in soccer. Tsk, tsk, Ben. Here's another four-letter word for you: T-A-K-E, as in Take A Sedative.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 21:26:16 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As ever, you can put the best players in a room, but it's the SONG that counts. That's why Robbie was essential. Given Bruce for Atlantic City and Bob for Blind Willie McTell the 90s Band were sublime. But put the best six musicians you can find on The Same Thing and it's still extremely dull.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 20:54:00 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, thanks. I don't need repeated listens to recognize pedestrian music.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 20:41:44 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: Turkel

Peter, I listened to the first half of 'Jericho' again today and I think it holds up quite well. Remedy, Blind Willie McTell, Atlantic City, Too Soon Gone, all first rate. The only so-so track on the first half is the Caves of Jericho. Based on those 4 songs, I find it to be superior to 'Cahoots'.

Brown Eyed Girl, Thanks for your kind words. I'm a Lou Reed fan, too. I always appreciate discussions of music on the gust book, more so than hockey, indoor plumbing, brooklyn or four letter words.

Pat, my deepest apologies for misconstruing your comments. So, you've listened to Levon and the RCO All Stars twice, once in 1977 and once more this year. Congrats. I can assure you that I've listened to 'Cahoots' many, many times in the last 30 or so years. Believe me, I wish I could like 'Cahoots', but I find most of the songs to be sub-standard. Last of the blacksmiths, the moon struck one, where do we go from here, volcano, shootout in chinatown.... come on, these are surely the worst songs that Robbie wrote during his tenure with the Band. I bet he would readily admit that.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:34:54 CEST 2015 from (74.75.66.43)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: The Ghost of Richard Manuel

Greetings all - I've come across this tune several times over the last few months. Mike & Ruthy released it on their new album, not sure if Joshua Davis wrote it or not. Nice, smooth tune. Thought I'd send it out to all of you. Happy Summer days all around.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:25:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Link to the original 1969 Many Rivers To Cross live … this should make the day go well!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:04:48 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Yes, Ben, you misinterpreted it. I bought every single album that had anything to do with the Band as they were released--even The Dingoes album that had Garth on one track. The RCO record I listened to once and filed it away. I couldn't believe such great musicians made such a pedestrian record. When this discussion came up, I used the internet to reacquaint myself with it--which only confirmed my original reaction.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:02:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jimmy Cliff dates back to 1962, and like Jackie Edwards early on was quite capable of doing gospel or a ballad. Blackwell financed 'The Harder They Come' and had visions of Jimmy Cliff being the "breakthrough" artist for reggae. On the back of the film, Jimmy Cliff sought a bigger label and Blackwell was "devastated." He said The Wailers were his "comeback" in that though he'd released Wailers tracks he hadn't met them … then they got stuck in England when a tour with Johnny Nash collapsed … and the rest is history.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 16:35:53 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and the very first song I heard from Dennis Brown which is on my Nano.

Ben....Do I care if others don't like reggae or rock steady or lovers rock mostly used in relation to Dennis Brown's music.....or Amy or ????? Nope! There will be someone out there however, who will get interested for the very first time....and that is the beauty of sharing music.....more people connect!! :-D

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 16:19:41 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It was "The Harder They Come" film (first viewing at school with subtitles...lol) and soundtrack that had catapulted Jimmy Cliff into the big time. It's interesting to note that he was never given the title of king of reggae like Marley or even prince like Dennis Brown (missed him one summer while in NYC). I always found his music more rock steady actually.

Dennis Brown's cover of "My Girl". I only found this cut in Jamaica on cassette and then years later....iTunes.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:38:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Looking forward to Jimmy Cliff. He was very much John The Baptist to Bob Marley & The Wailers. Stories have it that so much was invested in "Catch A Fire" by Island because Jimmy Cliff had left them. He was to be their original "Reggae World Star."


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:03:48 CEST 2015 from (70.49.46.80)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Opinions: communication ethics

There are as many opinions as there are grains of sand on the shorelines of the world.

All are valid and should be expressed in a forum which values communication

All should be expressed without animosity to those whose opinion differs

That is the only way this site is going to maintain any credibility and is going to function in a positive way

Failing that approach, we should 'pack it in'.

"So it shall be written. So it shall be done."

As we used to say to our kids: "Play nice in the sandbox." Good advice


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:02:08 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Photos of Garth Hudson and Sister Maud Hudson
Don Wolan Photographer

Did you attend Canterbury Folk Festival Adam? Anything to share? :-D

I continue to listen on my Nano solo Robbie and some solo Levon (Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt, American Son.....yes.....I paid import prices back in the day as I did for Rick's first solo recording and we have high taxes here.) and The Band. I'm lucky in that I don't have to have Band members sounding like The Band. I'll say it again......If I want a solo Band member or any performer to sound like The Band.....I listen to The Band. The reformed Band I would have enjoyed live. Although one of the people I actually met from this site told me that when she saw the reformed Band in 1993 in England.....no.....to painful to watch what transpired on stage......I do have all or did have all of the Reformed Band's material....I sold some to a used record shop.....and just downloaded the songs I liked...The musicianship at times was there......but where were the songs?.....I'm drawn to writers period. Robbie is a writer......as is Marley as is Van as is Louuuu.....as is Garland Jeffreys as is....Willy DeVille of Mink Deville.

Thanks for reminding me Peter as I've also seen Jimmy Cliff perform. I discovered him the same time as Marley....1975 when I saw the film "The Harder They Come" (issued in North America year later than UK in 1973). I only have Jimmy Cliff's Give Thankx) and previously on cassette The Power and The Glory as well as the soundtrack The Harder They Come.....whereas I have all of Bob Marley's. Btw, whenever we had concerts at school I'd fit in reggae as much as possible. The kidzzz sang....."Three Little Birds", "Work" by Marley and "I Can See Clearly Now" by Jimmy Cliff (written by Johnny Nash) as well as "Sunshine Reggae" by Laid Back.

Ben....I feel your pain. I used to post a lot about Louuuu and most Band fans just hated his music so much so that one emailed me about it and I ignored him. Whereas someone like Pat B.....Now there's a cool guy. We'd exchange emails......always respectfully....by the end....He'd admit that he didn't dig his music.....but respected his career. Whereas the other poster....became one of the pitbulls that attacked brown eyed girl at any given chance. More people know about Louuuu's music than about us here......I used to take everything so personal.......not anymore. Ohhhh....and I just remembered that Levon's nephew emailed putting down Robbie's solo music (won't share exactly what he said).....LOL....I emailed back saying I know who you are and that was the end of that! I love that I have eclectic taste in music and too bad if others don't! ;-D


Entered at Tue Jul 14 14:25:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I could compile a compilation of the three 90s albums with a couple of other possibilities that I'd enjoy more than Cahoots in a head to head. Not just sure about just one of them. As albums, neither Richard track fits the mood or style at all … shoehorned in. Should have been done with the other Richard live tracks as a solo album.

I'd bet my most played track of the three albums by a long way is French Girls, because it's on my very frequent "Relaxing playlist" with Weather Report, Gato Barbieri and Abdullah Ibrahim. But again, that's Garth solo, and really fits better with Sea To The North.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 14:16:19 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I've recently listened to all of the Band's albums with the exception of 'Islands'. I think that the 90's albums hold up quite well, much better than 'Cahoots'. That's just my opinion. Others may disagree and that's great.

I don't have any issue with people's honest opinion. What I do find fault with is the extreme bias that many people seem to have that a Band album without Robbie's involvement is automatically inferior than one released by the original quartet. The lengths that some people will go to in order to defend the weakest Band album, 'Cahoots' against the albums released in the 90's is quite amusing.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 13:27:31 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Please Stop

Every Band related record has something to like about it and that includes the All Stars and High on The Hog. However comparing those records to something the original Band did is just silly. Free Your Mind is better then Volcano? That version of Forever Young is better then Masterpiece? Yeah right.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 13:05:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

But in 1998 I wrote that I thought it the best post-Robbie Band album. I don't agree with my first impression anymore.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 12:58:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Back to my point. You can’t get someone to agree that they like a piece of music that they don’t. For example, I think “The End” by The Doors is atrocious crap of the worst order. I heard it a lot when it was new. I haven’t listened through it for years, but have heard bits enough times over the years to confirm my first impressions. You could play it to me twenty times and my mind won’t change. A lot of people must find it deeply moving for it to be so well-known. That’s fine. I’m not inspired to download a copy to check my opinion.

There are exceptions. When I criticized Pete Seeger’s Little Boxes here, I upset some people who told me what a fine man he was, and I read up, and indeed he was. So I sat and listened several times to Little Boxes and I still loathed it. BUT I did listen to more Pete Seeger as a result and my blanket condemnation was misguided. Some of it I appreciated. Though not Little Boxes.

So I think my review of Jubilation (for example) was through rosy coloured headphones so delighted was I to have something new by The Band. On my last listen, a few months back, I thought a lot of it forced, too many cooks spoiled the broth, you certainly didn’t need to have a Clapton guitar solo phoned in … Jim is equally good … and obviously Levon’s voice was shot at that point. In retrospect, I don’t think it holds up as well as Jericho and High On The Hog … or Danko, Fjeld, Anderson’s stuff.

You realize it’s very close to TWENTY YEARS since the 90s Band last played. It’s natural that fewer people talk about them as when they were touring.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 12:44:41 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jon Lyness, nice post. I can definitely relate. I saw the Band 3 times in the 90's and Rick once. I do think that the 90's albums hold up. Jubilation in particular is a very strong album that never received the attention it deserved.

Pat, after mocking my preference for Levon Helm and the Rco All-Stars over NL-SC, you made a comment on this guestbook to the effect that you had a copy of the Rco album in your attic (or basement) and hadn't listened to it in decades. I find it quite obnoxious that someone can disparage a record that they admittedly haven't listened to in decades. Did I misinterpret that somehow?


Entered at Tue Jul 14 10:10:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Sean. More please!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 10:06:34 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

Been listening to Cahoots quite a bit over the last week. Still not sure if it's better or less better than NLSC though I think it contains Richards last great vocals. (THose Moondog songs are great but technically not as good vocally IMHO).

I agree that Dirt Farmer was the best thing to come out after the OQ years. I loved "Robbie Robertson" when it was released but find it dated now. But if I had two choose two tracks I'd go for Java Blues and The Sea to the North.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 03:07:43 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

Subject: Who cares / Hookers / Street Walker (s)

Life is a continuum, and then some received wisdom or other kuffs it up...

Everybody has feet of clay. No-one here gets out al... In the future, everyone will be an asshole for 15 years.

You can't believe what you read in the paper, or on the internet. Don't even answer your door.

All mediated information is suspect :) Says who? I heard it from my dog. Snausages, he said. Then he said 'Rough, rough'. A nympho walked into a taxidermist's shop and said "I'm dead."

We would know nothing about all those famous people who turned out to be some class of deviant/pervert/mass-murderer if they were not famous in the first place. Film-makers, artists, musicians, moguls, philanthropists... bastards! I hope they die roaring. Do I continue to admire (watch, view, listen etc.) their work? Yes, I don't. Double negative, you say. Conflicted, I say. :(

tl/dr Read those Smoke Signals correctly. Have a mule in reserve in case Jethro goes mad. Only get into Cahoots if you can easily get out again. Be ready if you find yourself on that lonesome trail with no coverage some night. :D

mtl/dr Tipos lure. I wanted to be a poofreader, but they said my fingers were too far. Personality, I thing the keys were too smell.

Steve, I know you would have grokked this post - stones and all. :)


Entered at Tue Jul 14 01:08:27 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Ben, raising the thought that I haven't listened to the post LW combo enough is pretty laughable on your part.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:49:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.101.38)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Honky Tonk

Where does the Band's version of this song come from?


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:34:55 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd agree, Jon. "Dirt Farmer" in particular was the best post 1990 album of those mentioned.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:22:34 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I quite enjoyed the 1990s Band, with Jubilation still being a particular fave, and 'back in the day' I followed every release (Band, Band solo, side projects) with great anticipation. A few of you might remember the NY-area concert reviews I posted back then.

I have to admit though, I rarely listen to any of the 90s albums anymore. From today's perspective, I prefer Levon's Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt and LHB live release albums, where I think Levon and his group tapped into some excellent content and a more interesting range of musical styles...it's subjective, but for me those are well standing the test of time. I love those albums, and feel lucky that I was around to see Levon's great comeback.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:05:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

P.S. And Robbie did write the songs.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:01:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A lot of problems go back to views on discussion. Many people … I nearly put educated people but won’t … enjoy heated discussion. If I disagree with your view that say (Freddie and The Dreamers were the world’s best band) it does not mean I despise, dislike, hate, disregard you … it only means we have different tastes. My mum was a prime example. My brother-in-law is a politician with right wing views. Every Christmas we had very heated discussions that we both thoroughly enjoyed. My mum could never understand it. She thought it meant we hated each other and were about to fight. Far from it. We’re good friends with opposing political views.

I see so much of it here. Most normal people enjoy the discussion. Others, like Butch, think we are in mortal combat to the death because one of us thinks The Same Thing was a dull boogie unworthy of great musicians. While another thinks it’s akin to Strawberry Fields Forever or the 1812 Overture. That’s sad. It just means some people don’t understand “discussion.”

But NLSC is way better than Cahoots. Or High On The Hog. Ot Jubilation.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 21:38:41 CEST 2015 from (174.236.227.89)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: That Same Thing

Not a lot of time to comment in detail at the moment, but I will say that I listen to Cahoots more frequently than NLSC.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 19:28:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Big Foot

I'll tell you what I've got on today … Big Foot by Jim Weider & The Honky Tonk Gurus, pulled off the shelf because I'm listening to a lot of Jimmy Cliff … I'm going to see him on Sunday and I wanted to hear Many Rivers To Cross, one that the 90s Band should really, really have put on an album. It was magnificent live. You will recall that the Honky Tonk Gurus on this track included Richard Bell on piano and organ and Randy Ciarlante on drums, so half the 90s Band. Wonderful playing. What is so good is Richard Bell's organ, which like the original plays rich and low … allowing Jim's guitar to enter stinging high up … just like Jimmy Cliff's voice on the original. First rate Randy drumming too.

Oh, yes. I forgot. We allegedly only knock the 90s Band here. Damn! I've just praised them.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 19:00:07 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, good luck and I am happy you find value where you do.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 18:49:30 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I stand by my post. I think that the constituency who post on the guestbook has changed dramatically in the last 5 or 10 years. There you used to be a much larger group of people who valued the the live performances and recordings of the Band in the 1980's and 1990's.

Pat, when was the last time you listened to 'Levon Helm and the RCO All-Stars', 'Jericho', 'High on the Hog' or 'Jubilation?. Your put-downs of all of these albums might have some measure of credibility if you had actually listened to them this decade. I can assure that I've listed to 'Cahoots' again within the last 2 weeks and my opinion hasn't changed. I Still think it's sub-par and by far the worst studio album released by The Band.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 18:31:06 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: when the rumour, comes to your town

You can’t believe in everything you hear
And only half of what you see

False witness spread the news
Somebody’s gonna lose

So – don’t you say a word
Or repeat a thing you’ve heard

Pay no mind to what they say
When they’re bitter they talk that way

Brought up everybody to see for themselves
They wouldn’t believe it from no one else

You don’t believe what you read in the paper
You can’t believe the stranger at your door
You don’t believe what you hear from your neighbour

Was it something that somebody said?


Entered at Mon Jul 13 17:50:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, I love that "attack dogs" thing you trot out. You see, I'm a real iconoclast in that I love Cahoots. So when attack dogs come out with the usual attacks on Cahoots, I rise to defend it.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 17:46:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I doubt Butch's relationship with Levon had anything to do with the supposed "vilification".


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:55:58 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I've been in & out of here since the summer of 02. Aside from the constituency, the only thing that's changed is the level of insanity has dropped. It's far calmer here now.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:53:18 CEST 2015 from (24.168.42.194)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: Sorry John Donabie,, my error,

I did not mean Donabie, i meant Viney,, my mistake, John Donabie is aTrue Member of The Band family always. viney on the other hand,, yeah no,, Sorry Mr Donabie, truly, love to Ala,


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:37:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk

Rick co-wrote the words, and apposite it often is, but anyway, in doing the Jackie DeShannon future Toppermost, she also covered Small Town Talk. Worth a listen for some different ideas (LINKED). My favorite version, just edging the Bobby Charles, remains Geoff Muldaur and Amos Garrett on Paul Butterfield Better Days "It All Comes Back" but this is a different take on it.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:27:48 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I don't think any disrespect was intended by the misspelling of a last name. That seems pretty clear.

I do agree with Butch that this guestbook has turned into a very anti post last waltz Band. It seems very acceptable to gush over any Robbie Robertson solo work, but god forbid if you say something positive about Levon and the Rco All-stars, or state a preference for the Band's 90's albums over, say 'Cahoots', then the attack dogs come out.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:09:26 CEST 2015 from (76.15.41.42)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Butch

I haven't been here(on this GB)long,but I've been around the music,Woodstock,etc. for awhile.It was a pleasure having met you and I honor your friendship with Levon.Ata ish tov.Shalom lecha v'ha mishpacha.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 14:54:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LEVON HELM and THE BAND_GREAT DRIVES THEME

"Levon Helm and The Band recorded the theme music for the PBS MiniSeries "Great Drives: Highway 61" in 1996. Levon was the show host. Theme written by Mark Leggett, recorded by The Band in Woodstock NY. This is the extended version with video compiled from the show.

If you can find the full program, it is an excellent documentary of Levon traveling Highway 61 from Chicago to New Orleans interviewing old friends and new friends alike. Exploring great American music history along the way."


Entered at Mon Jul 13 14:20:02 CEST 2015 from (24.168.42.194)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: 1 last time

Bonk, et al, i have been insulted, lied about, vilified and worse so many times here that i cant count. my crime is having been dear friends with Levon and the 90's Band. Lou Myles was a friend and it bothered me to see his name misspelled. The responses prove my point. donabie, jeff and many other old timers either resent, hate or just envious of my friendships and Road Days,, i dont know nor could care less. the destruction of Jan's Page is hideously irreversible and i left here. i came back for ol Lou and that is all. see ya,, hate to be ya,, 😎


Entered at Mon Jul 13 12:53:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Move To Japan....Garth and Sister Maud Hudson at Ingersoll Canterbury Folk Festival July 11, 2015.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 12:50:00 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

July 11, 2015
Sister Maud and Garth Hudson - Blind Willie McTell

"Canterbury Folk Festival, Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada. This was the final song of their show.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 09:32:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bonk: A nice personal memory, which you gave us, is better than cold remonstration. Anyway, nowadays you don't need to do a typo … predictive text changes any unusual spelling to a more frequent word without asking you. I tried typing it with a "y" and it switched to "i". Usually I notice and change it back, but not always.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 07:56:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bonk, nothing you did was disrespectful. Everyone knows that.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 04:36:21 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Pat B

I'm missing something here. Pat B. carlgraham@mac.com


Entered at Mon Jul 13 04:11:36 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bonk, do you really need an answer to that question? I doubt all that many took your misspelling as a sign of disrespect.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 02:50:45 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Butch

You know what Butch. I guess I should have said 'RIP Luigi Cocomile" That was Lou's real name. How come every time you jump on here in the last little while your posts are full of venom and put downs? Do you ever have anything nice to say? I know the history of you and the boys, so why don't you take the time and tell the rest of us some great anecdotes of your time with the group. I for one would love it! And please don't say that 'I tried, 3, 5 10 years ago, but all I got was grief. We're all getting older Butch and some time soon, it won't matter anymore.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 02:25:01 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Butch

I stand corrected. And I knew the correct spelling. Just to fast on the keyboard.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 21:57:04 CEST 2015 from (70.209.144.92)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: Lou Myles R. I. P.

Please show the proper respect to a great man and a dear friend of Levon, The Hawks +The Band by spelling Lou's name correctly. MYLES please,, thank you,,


Entered at Sun Jul 12 20:05:41 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

An interesting story about the internet. Almost 20 years ago I started posting here. I was lucky enough to get to "know" the esteemed webmaster, and I followed with interest the journey of his talented musical son. Yesterday at a huge festival in Chicago, my collegiate daughter and her EDM crazed boyfriend went to see the webmaster's son who was one of the headliners. Thanks to the webmaster's efforts, my daughter enjoyed the VIP treatment and had the time of her life. Last night I tipped my glass to the esteemed webmaster and his talented son for giving my daughter an epic memory. Thank you, Jan. Thank you, Magnus-CC.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:55:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, your first and second instruction worried me. Around here, it's considered unfair and against all rules to take a fly on a flat surface. The third point was a relief, like me you think it only fair to take the fly when it's in the air.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:42:55 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Professional Fly Catching

Peter is right, every Band head should know how to catch a fly. The next GB gathering will hold a fly catching contest above a pile of shit. Anyway a professional tip:

1) Find a fly. Wait for it to land on an open surface free of clutter (such as a table).

2) Position your hand about 1 foot (0.3 m) (30 cm) behind the fly and 3 inches (8 cm) above the surface. Your palm should be open with your thumb toward the fly. Rotate your hand so that your palm is facing diagonally down and towards the fly.

3) With a quick motion, move your hand over the fly keeping it about 3 inches above the surface at all times. As your hand reaches the point above where the fly landed, close your hand quickly. The fly will be startled by the quick motion and will take off directly into your palm!


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:21:29 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: townes

see the link


Entered at Sun Jul 12 13:50:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Fly

Just back from the supermarket. The checkout assistant was being troubled by a persistent small fly. "It's been driving me mad for half an hour," she complained swatting the air ineffectually.

It flew towards my pot of basil and I took it out in mid-air. She and the assistant on the neighbouring check out applauded. "How did you do that?" they said. They were both under twenty. How could I explain that it takes nearly forty years of studying Robbie Robertson in The Last Waltz?


Entered at Sun Jul 12 10:11:32 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Acadian Driftwood

"We stood on the cliffs and watched the ships, slowly sinking to their rendezvous"

Terry's comments give even more meaning to the song and link them to another favorite of mine.

"Hear the sound, Willie Boy, The Flyin' Dutchman's on the reef..."


Entered at Sun Jul 12 05:21:17 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.25)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: nous pouvons parler de ca maintenant

Terry: Thanks for your thoughts on "Acadian Driftwood". The cold front paragraph reminded me of a line from MFBP - "But I'd rather be burned in Canada than to freeze here in the south".


Entered at Sun Jul 12 03:11:37 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Tony Bennett, Amy Winehouse - Body and Soul Complete Video


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:54:21 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

In The Studio with Tony Bennett & Amy Winehouse


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:33:48 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

New documentary ‘Amy’ reveals an artist greater than her downfall.
I want to see it again.....Near the beginning we see a 14 year old Amy singing "Happy Birthday" to one of her best friends.....huuge jazzzz inflections and all......That's all it took......I was engaged and mesmerized. Brilliant!

Best wishes to Garth and Maud tonight. Working this weekend....so Adam......report back please!


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:21:30 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: LOU MILES

Rest in peace Mr. Miles. Bespoke Tailer to the Hawks and The Band. I got my first tailor made strides (stovepipes) made in his store on Yonge Street in 1966. Thought I was the cats ass. This guy was the clothier to every act that ever passed through Toronto.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 21:50:54 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

I second that: Terry, thanks.

Jeff thanks, we do birthdays and funerals too.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 21:14:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Many thanks, Terry … I had no idea of the double meaning of "rendezvous" though Robbie, via Dominique, would have known.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:48:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Biography please

There is a lot of interest in biographies that document the individuals in The Band. They all had their unique abilities and characteristics and it was those which made them great as a unit. Garth and Maud I hope are hard at work at their book (if not, autobiography is the best with help from someone who cares deeply about the music) and we know we will soon see Robbie's work. To receive Rick Danko next year would be wonderful. Many knew Richard and someone (perhaps his son with help) should take this on. And Amy, that would be a labour of love. I would buy them all and treasure them as I do the recordings.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:44:01 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.152)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norb & NWC, you guys that start your names with N are regular fucking riots these days.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:17:35 CEST 2015 from (70.83.162.183)

Posted by:

Terry

Location: Montreal

Subject: Acadian Driftwood - rendezvous

just a note about the use of rendezvous.

rendez vous, also means give up, or surrender, in the imperative

Robbie likes his double meanings, as do his many fans

The ships sinking on the horizon going off to their rendezvous, is part of the general sense of inevitable doom, oncoming loss and destiny. This image is spoken in the voice of someone having gone through it all (in fact, wanting to go back after having tried to establish a home in the south). It is in the voice of an Acadian looking back at a time just preceding the expulsions.

So, using the irreverent mix and match of English and French common to Acadians, it is easy to feel multiple senses of ships going down on the horizon to their rendezvous. It is not a clinical description, but a metaphor sparked by the illusion of ships going down as they get farther away, flavoured with the echo in the word rendezvous, of the double sense of destiny and in this case, inevitable loss.

And, just as easily felt but perhaps just as long to describe, is Robbie's expressing the imposed vagrancy of the Acadians, and mixing it with his own exile as a Canadian musician having to go south to seek his fortune.

This last point is why I would disagree with assuming the Canadian cold front is uniquely a foreign and hostile event. It is entrenched deeply in the speaker, and in Robbie. In the blood. It is Robbie empathising with the Acadian, driven from his home in the north, but finding himself rootless in the southern turf, longing to go home.

That is the central, if by no means only, reason for the more notable modern expressions in the song.

So says me. Or rather, I. Or rather, so I type. Cause that's the way language works, of course, all jumbled up and jivey. Plus ça chante, plus c'est la même

T


Entered at Sat Jul 11 14:01:56 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Quintessential Crazy Chester

Rick Danko Biography

The Rick Danko Biography is coming soon.....

Posted 4 days ago by Carol Caffin


Entered at Sat Jul 11 13:18:20 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Shootout In China Town

I didn't know that Norbert writes Haiku poems. Another midle years crisis symptome, maybe :-)

A late Canadian gber posted once: "If you ever come to Canada you will be in trouble!" This was only because I posted my recipe for a wok sauce: (and this is the time when Canadians with weak nerves should push the scroll button) - take 50% cheap soya sauce from your local super market and add 50% high quality Canadian maple syrup - and mix them together.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 12:37:47 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Grab Grass Triple Haiku: Wong's Soy Sauce

Take my hand to soy sauce land
“This is for the rice cooker,”
“This is for the pork,” that’s what he said

He knows what his buyers like
Wong’s soy sauce is not so technical.
Just trial and error, that’s what he said

He tried to sell his premium sauce in Canada.
The project flopped. “They just want soy sauce
They can’t tell the difference,” that’s what he said.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 03:26:19 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: New Mexicoe

Link is to Bobby Charles with Rick singing harmony. It's been a cold miserable day on the coast, 9 effin degrees. Bobby Charles to the rescue. Makes it all warm and cozy. Goes well with Tennessee whiskey too.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 02:08:23 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Excellent point, Kevin. As long as my memory cells remain intact and don't stray. So far so good. And if they do, I can thank Mr. V's old chum Serge for those excellent photos that he took at the former Brass Rail in my adopted town to jar me awake. And make me smile. Thanks, by the way, Serge.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 22:57:04 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: 喜馬

An Australian backpacker has reported in June about a karaoke bar 喜馬 in Chengdu China where they play TLW every Friday night.

They’ve got 5 mics and till dawn intoxicated Chinese managers sing The Weight etc. It has become a "local hit" over there.

“Every Chinese has his ‘own’ favorite Band song that he rehearses at home so often that he can sing along perfectly.”


Entered at Fri Jul 10 21:07:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Friday release date means that I won't be going on about new records on Monday and everyone in North America complaining they're not out till Tuesday. The "more confident" indie record shops have been putting out "Monday's releases" on the previous Saturday for a while, though HMV sticks to the rules.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 20:57:06 CEST 2015 from (50.206.41.114)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Mike Nomad.......even as that Chinese stock your retirement fund holds dips and twirls towards zero, at least you can scream out "fuck it, I saw The Hawks.........what do I have? Nazareth in 1978....Jumping Jesus.

Thanks for the notice on the new Jason Isbell, Bob F.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 20:51:58 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the people have spoken: "New Music Fridays"

"Beginning [today], at least 45 different countries will shift their weekly album release days to Friday, giving music fans even more reason to look forward to the weekend."


Entered at Fri Jul 10 19:02:34 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Birthday girl Mavis Staples and Amy Helm!


Entered at Fri Jul 10 17:37:56 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

jh, just emailed you.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 17:24:30 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Hm. Is Brennan out there?


Entered at Fri Jul 10 14:29:57 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.152)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Today's Pop Tarts!

Time To Lick The Doughnuts!

Once upon a time, you could blame the acid.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 11:08:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Punching in … yes, of course, if it’s a great take and everything worked except a couple of minor corrections. But I was often working at 20 seconds or 40 seconds, rather than 2 to 5 minutes, and I found the actors would rather re-do it than sit there watching the engineer farting around then saying OK, the problem was on “Sit” so just say it again and I’ll punch it in. (I do remember an actor with a particularly spitty delivery, who kept making “Sit!” sound like “Shit!” and that WAS a punch in case because you want to isolate and focus on the problem).

It’s also true that there tends to a curve of improvement, then it plateaus, then either they start elaborating too much, or get bored and flatten. But you usually get the best spoken voice one within five or six takes. It’s different with a really long story on audio. There you always punch in … the accomplished radio actors who specialize in audio books can read for thirty minutes without taking a break. They hardly ever fluff a line, the most common issue is where they’re using accents or tone to differentiate character and wander into the wrong one.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 10:58:46 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Responses to "Dylan in Montreal in 1962"

Once again, thanks everyone.

Rob Bowman: Back in the late-1970s and early-1980s, I had a very good contact in Ottawa and, through him, some less frequent contact with a few other Canadians. One of those was Rob, though it was very intermittent. In 1992, I met Rob briefly in the lobby of the Eastman Theatre in Rochester, NY. Unfortunately, I had got there driving through the night from somewhere down in Pennsylvania and was not exactly in conversational mode, so it was more like a brief greeting. Memory suggests that Rob is a bit younger than I am, so I'm not sure just how much he may recall from that era.

Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. Harvey's name came to me from a brief mention in SING OUT! magazine in early 1962. After mentioning the "folk places", it said that there was some kind of (financial?) support for encouraging Canadian performers and then suggested contacting Harvey who had details of similar venues in Canada. Now, if he still had that list, it might be very useful.



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Posted by:

jh

DJ Windy: Did you get the details regarding tomorrow's festival gig? There's a way too eager spam-filter here that may have eaten legit e-mails the last couple of weeks.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 03:26:48 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.134)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ian W: The Treble Clef in Ottawa was Harvey Glatt's record store (and eventually chain) in Ottawa, not another club. I know Harvey and would be happy to relay questions.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 23:57:27 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Randy Meisner In The News

Very Sad. Read the link.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 00:19:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rob Bowman again

Rob Bowman remains associate professor of ethnomusicology at York University, Toronto, as of the 2013 listing of faculty. You should be able to communicate with him, Ian, if you wish.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 23:28:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rob Bowman

I agree. I forgot about Rob Bowman.(great writer and very knowledgeable) He would be a great source of information. I haven't spoken or seen him in a long time. (since 90s). You should see if you can contact him. (he wrote notes for lps and was aware of all that Dylan was doing). He taught at York University in north Toronto. I'm not sure if he still does?


Entered at Thu Jul 9 22:53:17 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: NPR First Listen Jason Isbell

NPR First Listen streaming Jason Isbell's new record.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Kevin J

You'd probably be collecting your pensions by now, Kevin, and checking your dwindling retirement plans. And watching your diet, having your blood pressure checked, and . . . and . . . and . . .


Entered at Thu Jul 9 19:58:13 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Rob Bowman

Ian, in the late 70's early 80's I use to do a lot of trading with Rob Bowman out of Toronto. We'd always see him at the shows. I would think he'd be a great source for information on Dylan in Canada. I'm sure you've crossed paths with him. He was a really great guy.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:14:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian, the trouble with scanning LPs and stitching together is the very slight lip round the platen which defocusses one side slightly as it's raised. I assume the answer is to get an A3 scanner.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:11:45 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the car today … BBC Radio 4, programme on the radio documentary maker Dennis Mitchell, which had something on Studs Terkel and Chicago. Anyway, huge organ sound came in and I'd swear it was a version of the "Chest Fever" intro … then it faded away though still bits of organ in the background. I was in very heavy traffic so not full attention, then it had one of those REALLY annoying bits on radio where the sound effect is a police siren and you think it's real.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:03:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.65.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rochdale Link - Mynah Birds

I used to like to imagine a fantasy night on the town and it involved being transported back in time to early 1960's Yonge Street and stepping into a club to see Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks and also a set of just The Hawks........after looking at some of those great posters, pictures and ads in the Rochdale link, I would add a 2:30am nightcap at the Mynah Bird Coffee house for some body painting !


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:02:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Storm

Having seen storms in the Mississippi Valley and in Canada, what we had was not unusual … except it was for here. we rarely get sheet lightning, and we rarely get simultaneous strikes … see photos on the point of people phoning in interesting shots. We got water coming in the house two places … and we're on top of a hill, but the drive has an incline towards the house, and by one door there was about four inches of water. But the point of the link, is some of those are Smartphone photos.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 17:19:06 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- your production approach with doing takes- in general, i agree. Doing it until you have it ...... Things improve. Yet, as you know, sometimes, after you have greatness, in song vocals, sometimes, punching in word here or there, or a line here or there, does work exceptionally well and you gotta do it. OR taking a word, words, line or lines from another take, or another section... might work too.

but also, you never know when another take gives you a mona lisa. When you are working with huge talent, that is always there, you know it , and the artist knows it too. Sometimes, artists are reluctant geniuses, sometimes they aren't. The greats know they got it.... ( ....still.... sometimes.......)

a great dilemma is to have several fucking amazing takes , or several amazing takes of the same sections even.... which happens....

comp charts are necessary

And all these fucking jokers ( they are everywhere) who think and tell people that they should be able to make records for 5 or 10 thousand bucks are out of their fucking minds.....

It's a huge, GINORMOUS expense of time, talent, and money, and it should be - the promotion of the idea that it isn't and doesn't have to be is a crime committed by the profiteers who push technology. People can believe it but then they should also believe that $1.00 Big Macs are health food.

Democratization of music making? Bullshit- it's the theft of the art of creating and making music.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 17:18:50 CEST 2015 from (99.249.67.189)

Posted by:

GregD

Subject: Rochdale (not Roachdale)

An interesting look back at the Yorkville Village/Rochdale scene. I forget the exact details, but I think for $50 you could get a Masters' degree from Rochdale, and $100 got you a Ph.D. I don't think the subject mattered.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 16:58:16 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- My response is conversation, not argument. Your reference to horses for courses and illustration ties in to the dumbing down of music & musical delivery. You are aware of it- your reference to how the under 80 minute presentation does not present true delivery that allows or transmits to the reader / listener an actual pleasant and valuable experience....I liken that to listening to newscasters and broadcasters speak to rapidly while delivering the news and weathercasts...

ALso, i think it was just a result of fast internet thinking / typing on your part - ** digital relation strikes yet again**- but i'll point out that smartphone analogy was not mine, that i just pointed out that the analogy used in the article was poor. People start out familiar with photography , and taking a picture and playing with it digitally is nothing like mastering a record.

A truly great mastering engineer with a pleasant bedside manner is increasingly a rare thing. The equipment and room involved is also not something to be taken lightly. Great engineers are not necessarily great mastering engineers. But great mastering engineers do have to start somewhere, they aren't born that way. A great mastering engineer is invaluable.......... and believe me, the wrong mastering engineer is akin to the rapist that gives someone an STD or even HIV.

The price has changed. the article indicated 1000 to 2000 for a album..... It used to be far more expensive. 4 to 7 thousand was not unusual, probably still isn't, higher is or was possible........You can find great mastering engineers today to do a 12 song project for under $2000.00 .......Many? i dunno. But i have one of the true greats, & if it was recorded digitally he'll bring the project in under 2000.00....But that is very very reasonable for a great mastering job........... whhc is contrary to what the article indicated......


Entered at Thu Jul 9 16:10:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Canada; lightning photographed;scanning LP sleeves

Dylan in Canada in early 1960s:

I've known the guy who does "Still On The Road" for quite some time and the content of his various Dylan is a wonderful and all but indispensable compilation of information from other sources rather than based on original research. Also, the "Still On The Road" site that was linked here is a listing of known recordings.

Lightning photographed

We had the same storm pass over us here a few days ago in the early hours of the morning. The photos that were shown on TV were of lightning bolts, whereas we experienced the whole sky lighting up almost like daylight. I took out my compact camera, placed it against a window in a back bedroom and clicked away, afterwards deleting shots that showed nothing. One looked really good (almost like daylight) until I checked the data and discovered the shutter had stayed open for 8 seconds. However, I did get others where, on adjacent shots with the same date and time recorded, you get a dark one with just lights in windows of other houses (woken by the thunder, I guess) and the next one much brighter but the same lights visible - and we're talking of the whole sky lit up white. In each case, the shutter was open for one quarter of a second.

LP sleeves photographed:

My printer is nothing special but has a scanner function which includes "stitch assist", so I can scan the left hand side or top part of an image, then the right hand side or bottom part, and then join the two together. I have to set the scanner to "do" the whole platen, rather than a standard page, and the platen is 11½", not 12", so it trims ¼" all round the edge, which is usually OK for my purposes - but maybe not for a book.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 15:30:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Whoops JT not JR

I'm not from Dallas and I don't have an alias.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 15:28:51 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JR

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Canada 1961-1962

The problem is that in certain books and articles, there are comments made by authors that Dylan played here or there in 1961 in Canada (Toronto and Montreal) and yet those events do NOT appear in any listing like the one you showed from 'Still On The Road'. What would be good would be if anyone who was at those shows could confirm. There must be a few 65-80 year olds who were there. Let us know.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 12:09:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan

STILL ON THE ROAD
1961 CONCERTS AND RECORDING SESSIONS

No Canadian reference? However, Fidgan Club is mentioned in another section of his research....1962 Concerts and Recording Sessions


Entered at Thu Jul 9 11:44:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Urban Legend #347
Bob Dylan & Neil Diamond encounter at The Last Waltz


Entered at Thu Jul 9 10:50:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I was talking to a musician friend recently about the difference the genius of a really top mastering engineer makes to a record. Huge, he told me.

There are all these choices … take Jeff’s camera analogy. OK, you have a full frame or half frame camera and great skill and get it right. Or you have a really good digital camera and add Photoshop skills. Or you go easy and use iPhoto. Or you use a Smart Phone and built in photo program. There’s a whole art form building on Smartphones in fact … we had a spectacular thunderstorm on Friday night, and the local paper online published 20 or so images. Some pro photographers, some great ones were Smart Phone.

For the Record Collecting book that keeps stalling, I scan anything up to flatbed size, but then take photos for larger like 10” or 12”. I have a framing set where you lock the camera, use lights, and get an image. I find I can get just as good by laying an LP flat on the floor, taking 20 digital pictures then straightening the best one in iPhoto which is vastly easier to use for simple straightening than Photoshop– I know how to do it in Photoshop but for this simple task, it’s so much faster in iPhoto.

It’s horses for courses. As I’ve often said, I got really pissed off with engineers for spoken voice recordings relying on Pro-Tools for everything. On one five day session, the producer was sick part way through, phoned and told me to produce. The engineer was REALLY pissed off with me, because first I wouldn’t let him record the first take at all. and second I wouldn’t let him use Pro Tools to correct actor slips … we’re talking 4 to 10 line dialogues. I just did them again. That's actually faster than sitting there watching the engineer fiddling around with Pro Tools and dropping in one word. What’s happened with spoken voice is they do one recording, first take and drop in any corrections. I prefer to do it till the actors get it right … they do in six or seven takes, and they ALWAYS improve nuances and performance by doing it more. The other thing, with “audio books” is if you end up with 83 minutes, no one puts it out as 2 CDs. They speed up, eliminate gaps and get it below the 80 minute limit. This is not great for ELT / ESL where pauses allow catch up time for listeners and speed is crucial.

On the other hand though, in the last ten years, if you do an ELT / ESL story, you have to give the audio away free … we used to sell loads in the cassette era. It started as free CDs bound with the book, and moved to MP3 online only. I’m disinclined to use a studio for a free MP3 of one person reading a story, and for that Garage Band does a good enough job at home with a decent microphone.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 02:38:02 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Article That Sadavid Linked

Good & appropriate pun Sadavid, cause certainly, this is one more coil of nails shot into the coffin in which music is being buried alive.

Comparing this program ( as the article points out some do) to smartphone photography is a poor analogy - the average person knows how to take a picture with a camera.......the average person could not master a record even poorly. The average engineer does not master a record- though many and more & more try...


Entered at Wed Jul 8 20:48:28 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: algorithm & blues

Montreal start-up offers software that automates the mastering process.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 17:22:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rochdale

Kevin J: Nice link. Thanks. I remember Rochdale and its environs well and was there a few times in the early days to see what it was all about (my early UofT days). I avoided it like a plague soon after as it deteriorated.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 16:30:25 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: a fabulous look back at the Gerrad Village and Yorkville scenes in Toronto. Some of the best pictures and posters I have ever scene from that era......Ian Tyson 1960-62.....The Village Corner club, check out the line-up in one of the Riverboat posters.....

brown eyed girl.........Front row seats it is ! We'll charge it to Ian and make sure we have photos to prove it actually happenned.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 16:19:06 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1961 or 1962

There are indeed references to Bob Dylan attending readings and/or playing at the Bohemian Embassy (coffee house) on Nicholas St. in Toronto (in one his age is given as 17/ clearly wrong) but they are flimsy. Anyway have 'more striking' confirmation of Dylan playing Toronto in 1961.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 15:22:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Uggh! The Satallites not the Skatalites. And how could I have forgotten Leroy Sibbles at the Bambooooooo?!
After seeing Bob Marley and the new Wailers in 1979....No one even comes close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reggae Toronto Introduction Link

Happy Healthy Wednesday everyone!


Entered at Wed Jul 8 15:04:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Bill M...Here is where I always saw the Skatalites. So many great memories at this club. One of my friends was having her 40th birthday here and who is sitting right across from us? Molly Johnson from formerly Alta Moda. I also celebrated many birthdays here. I never saw Eugene Smith perform here but I saw him only at Hotel Cali along with Downchild Blues Band. Another fun place to hear great music.

The other great venue of course (many others at the time like Hotel Isabella where I saw Paul James a lot and Tony Bird and The Gasworks and Larry's Hideaway.) was The Horseshoe Tavern where I saw to name a few....Jesse Winchester, Blue Rodeo, Skydiggers, Genya Raven, Rick Danko Tribute with BARK and Richard Bell. Garth was a no-show for some reason......How could I have missed Robbie with Rick and Colin Linden?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I just remembered the other amazing place for 7.00 a show was at Ontario Place where we saw, Roy Orbison, Grover Washington, Dan Hill, Gladys Night and The Pips, The Romantics, Doug and The Slugs, Jennifer Warner, Smokey Robinson, Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes, 54-40 and the list goes on and on........Sorry for all the lists.....Just exercising my memory here. Anyway, the best place in the world? Whereever there is music!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 8 14:33:28 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W...You may be right as 1961 isn't listed for Dylan performing in Montreal.

Hey Kevin J....If you get some beer for all of your research; what do I get for all the research since 2002?! Don't answer that....However, no beer as I can't stand it and I don't really care for alcohol and I don't catch a fire anymore so....How about if Robbie ever performs here I get front row seats!!! ;-D


Entered at Wed Jul 8 14:26:31 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"According to Shimon Ash, owner of the Finjan club in Montreal, Bob Dylan played at his club in 1962 for $12 and in exchange for a place to crash for two weeks before he headed off to New York. He stayed at Shimon’s place. One of the local folksingers decided to record the session."


Entered at Wed Jul 8 13:19:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto and Canadian coffee houses in the early 1960s

There has always been a question mark in my mind about Dylan visiting Toronto in December 1961. It would take rather too much time and space to explain the reasoning behind my reservation.

Izzy Young's 'Frets and Frails' column in SING OUT! magazine (Feb-Mar 1962 issue) says "Le Hibou is a new folkplace in Ottawa ..." and goes on to mention others: the Happy Medium in Hamilton, the Purple Onion in Toronto and the Black Fly in North Bay. He also writes that can get "information about this new informal coffee house circuit in Canada" from "Harvey Glatt, c/o The Treble Clef, 104 Bank Street, Ottawa", presumably another venue.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 07:58:36 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Dylan 1961 Toronto

Bob Dylan hung out in the long gone but legendary Gerrard Village in Toronto........he also spent time at The Bohemian Embassy.....not sure whether he played it, but likely...........someone please buy me a beer for all this bleeping research !


Entered at Wed Jul 8 07:23:29 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1961-62

Robert Shelton in his book ("No Direction Home") and Clinton Heylin in his book ("Revolution In The Air") speak of Dylan playing a coffee house in Toronto likely prior to 1962. Which one it was I cannot ascertain. Does anybody know its name?


Entered at Wed Jul 8 04:49:20 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Read This: The Ugly Truth About The Streaming Services

Anyone reading the articles all along, anyone paying attention the last several years, knew this was a ponzi scheme. It's kinda like watching the fall of wall street, fall of the auto industry, with no bail out... where the author misses something- is that not all artists can go the route he advises. Most can't...... management, backing, a structure too, are all needed & very necessary........being creative in the manner required & running a full time business, ain't happening. Without the gelt & the business being minded, you're S. O. L. (Shit out of Luck)


Entered at Wed Jul 8 01:56:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Montreal (and beyond) in 1962

It was the Potpourri engagement that brought Dylan to Montreal in 1962. The Potpourri, in the previous and following weeks, had booked other New York based folksingers. Therefore, in that sense, Dylan's booking was nothing special. It was just one of the small venues (clubs, coffee-houses, student shows and the likes) that he played that year.

I cannot recall him playing any other Canadian cities in 1962, though there was a report that he was in Toronto in December 1961 with Gil Turner and that he played a coffee-house there.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 00:14:20 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in the early 60s

It is interesting to note that Dylan may have done other coffee house dates in Canada and perhaps in other places, though there is little in the records to confirm this. When I started to look into Montreal in 1962, there is at least one reference to playing at the Potpourri coffee house (I was not aware of this). I wonder how many other coffee houses and clubs Dylan played at in Canada (Toronto and Montreal) of which there is little record. Any of your who were around in those days or know someone who was should add to the conversation.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 19:42:57 CEST 2015 from (78.25.226.140)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sonny and Terry

I can follow the word association trail, Ian. Chocolate Brownie ... Sonny And Brownie ...Sonny and Cher ... Cher ... 60s Girl singer ... Twinkle passed away recently ... Her biggest hit was 'Terry' ... So Sonny and Terry. And back to Sonny Terry.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 18:57:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962 - a quick correction

Did I really type "Sonny and Terry" there? Oh, yes, I did! Sorry indeed - Sonny and Brownie, of course.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 18:52:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962

I have, at last, found adverts for Bo Diddley at the Esquire Show Bar in 1962. He had a three week stand there from 25 June, seemingly playing every night in that period, so June and July 1962.

Thanks, BEG, for that link to the site with lots of Canadian folk ephemera. The Finjan advert for Sonny & Terry was a great find but I have yet to locate any other adverts for the Finjan, let alone for the week that Dylan dropped in and got recorded. I shall carry on searching.

Thanks again, everyone - but, if any other thoughts occur to you, please don't hesitate to mention them. I'm all ears - eyes! No, it isn't for a book but it may well be used as background for an article on Dylan's 1962 visit to Montreal.

The clip of "Dig My Grave" (Joseph Spence ?) was terrific! Thanks.



Entered at Tue Jul 7 18:01:07 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Re….brown eyed girl’s link……those Ken Danby posters would likely be worth something today….they were nicely done.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 16:47:16 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Some rock n roll stories from Juan Rodriguez

LINKED: Robbie is mentioned in this one wanting to see the notes first......knowing Juan.... A smart move actually.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:25:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Fred! Hope your family is well. When are you coming back home? Burlington hasn't been the same since.
The Japanese group played reggae not ska. As Marley shared in a video....first there was ska, then rock steady and then....reggae and then......the youth incorporated dance hall reggae.
At the time I was a student and had a summer and then fall job at the AGO. One night we ended up at the Rivoli Club after work.

Ian W...All this research for another book?
Fidjan Club in Montreal....5650 Victoria Avenue.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:22:33 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Ian W

The Montreal Press Club was a flourishing institution back in the '60s. Unknow if it had an archivist around, or whether archived files exist today. I don't even know if the club exists today. With demise of the Star, I imagine English-speaking media numbers plummeted, and even more so in the recent decade. But old hands, if you can find them, might point you to archived material. Good luck.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:19:08 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Dane Lanken

Ian W: besides writing for the _Gazette_ and in other places, Dane Lanken is married to Anna McGarrigle and contributed bass vocals, when such were required, throughout the McGarrigle oeuvre.

You can see (and hear) him on [My link], a Christian piece sung by one Chaim Tannenbaum.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 13:33:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal in 1962

Thanks for the comments and tips, folks.

I have indeed been trying to check out the THE GAZETTE on-line (not just for 1962 but for Dylan's visits in 1966 and 1974, too). There is a good number of issues available (not quite all) but the way the website works is time-consuming. I've tended to concentrate on the Saturday issues, where there was an "Entertainment" section but, sometimes that is missing from what's on-line. I shall continue the task.

As it happens, it looks like THE GAZETTE barely covered the musical scene in which I'm interested in 1962, so there is a lot of looking with only little reward. As for 1966, I've not found an announcement or an advert for Dylan's Place des Arts concert with the Hawks (though I have found a review). The venue did advertise in THE GAZETTE occasionally, however, as I found an ad for a concert there by The Brothers Four in January 1966. It was alongside an advert for Dizzy Gillespie at the Esquire venue but I still haven't found one for Bo Diddley there in June 1962.

In respect of 1974, I do have an original copy of Juan Rodriquez's "18,000 stamp and cheer .." article, which refers to other pieces in the same issue. I have an original of a newspaper photograph of Dylan (next to a headline reading "Bob Dylan's return", a long article by Juan R entitled "Testing .... testing" and another by Bill Mann entitled "Dylan turns to rock - and the result is dynamite". If anyone wishes to have copies of these, I can try to scan them and send them off but it would have to be to regular e-mail addresses.

Incidentally, a Bill Mann review of Dylan in Montreal appeared in MELODY MAKER over here in late January 1974.

What I do not have in original form (that is, I have it but only in photocopy form and in poorish quality at that) is an article entitled " 'He was crazy but I was impressed' " by Dane Lanken. It concerns the 1962 visit and comes from the "Lively Arts" section of THE SATURDAY GAZETTE for January 12, 1974. I would very much like an original copy of that article or, if that is not possible, a decent quality scan or equivalent.

There was also an article in the !0 January 1974 issue of THE GAZETTE in which Bill Graham talks about the tour - I have a photocopy only but haven't yet looked for it on-line.

I have been unable to find anything on-line from THE MONTREAL STAR. In 1962, there were advertisements from clubs and coffee-houses in THE STAR. I have very poor copies taken from a microfilm or microfiche (not by me but by someone else)of two adverts. I subsequently got sent a marginally better copy of one of them. If anyone has access to the archive of THE MONTREAL STAR, please let me know.

As for cafes, coffee-houses and so on in Montreal, the names that have come up are Seven Steps, The Potpourri, New Penelope and Rainbow Bar and Grill - I'm not sure but I think that these are the same place with different names as it passed from one owner to the next. The Potpourri and the Rainbow were certainly at 1430 Stanley and it may have been the San Souci for a while. Other names mentioned were The Fifth Dimension and the Fifth Amendment, which sounds like the latter is the same place as the former with a new name but I don't know. Another is Golem. There was of course the Finjan coffee-house, as on the recording that others have kindly linked, but I don't know its precise address. Another venue on Victoria was Cafe Andre but I'm not sure that it had musical performances of any kind, only plays. There were two places on Crescent (the Boiler Room and the Prague) but these may well have ben later than 1962.

Peter Gzowski was in Montreal from November 1961 until the end of 1962 and apparently mentions seeing Bo Diddley there. I assume that this was at the Esquire in June 1962 (or possibly July 1962) but I'd welcome any documentary evidence of Bo Diddley's appearance there in 1962. He returned to the venue in 1964.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:54:41 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal Gazette

One other idea, Ian. You probably thought of this already, but checking out the archives of The Montreal Gazette may help and also the ads (if they can be found) for entertainment in that newspaper from the 1960s.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:51:17 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: More Montreal coffee houses

More Montreal coffee houses of the 1960s.

1. The Potpourri (Dylan may have played there)

2. The Seven Steps

By the way, I found that The Yellow Door started in 1967, probably too late for what you are looking for, Ian.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:41:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal Coffee Houses

My limited research so far of coffee houses of the 60's in Montreal finds

1. Finjan Club

2. Yellow Door

3. The Limelight


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:25:09 CEST 2015 from (99.233.208.199)

Posted by:

Mark in Toronto

Subject: Juan Rodriguez

Juan Rodriguez, Montreal. Very good music writer. My first Dylan/Band concert January 11, 1974 was reviewed by Juan in the Montreal Star, January 12, 1974 p. A1 & A2 - "18,000 stomp and cheer for Dylan and The Band". My "Bob Dylan Live in Canada" book lists Juan's review but I guess didn't get permission to print it.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:50:17 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

It is quite interesting that they used a photo of Dylan & The Band for this article....maybe cause Dylan has songs registered with SESAC...


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:48:16 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: SESAC BUYING The Harry Fox Agency

See the link...other than it could hopefully increase my income, i dunno what to make of this yet............


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:03:41 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When I played in a basement club in Montreal in the early 70's, Byron Lee and the Dragonaires were playing upstairs in a huge dancehall. Those guys knew how to enjoy themselves, but I suppose we did too.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 04:56:59 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Japanese ska in TO

Brown Eyed Girl: The Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra?


Entered at Tue Jul 7 03:33:06 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

....an interesting piece on 60's hotspots in Montreal and swizzle sticks.......and a couple of legendary hangouts.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 02:39:36 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962

Thanks for responses.

I have a few Juan Rodriquez articles in my files, some now yellowing. They are from the 1970s as I recall. I found some extracts from his book on-line (including a mention of Jesse Winchester opening for The Band at Montreal's Place des Arts in, I think, 1968) but no detail about 1962. I shall continue to check him out.

I shall look for reviews of the jazz book first, to see if they indicate anything more about the content, before seeking a copy.

If anything more occurs to anyone, please let me know.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:28:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan ‎– Live Finjan Club, Montreal Canada, July 2, 1962

Label:Doxy ‎– DOK 327
Format: Vinyl, LP, Mono, Unofficial Release CD, Album, Mono
Country: Europe
Released: 2013 Genre: Folk, World, & Country
Style: Folk

Hey Bill M! I've been to all those places you mentioned except Belize.
Nope....I got turned onto reggae when I moved to Toronto to attend school and I put on my TV and bam!! There was Bob Marley and The Wailers performing "Trenchtown Rock" and I never looked back. I've also seen Peter Tosh solo, Judy Mowat solo, Third World a couple of times, Black Uhuru, Tiger in Kingston, Jamaica. imagezulu has seen Toots and The Maytals who I keep missing. I'd also like to see Steel Pulse from England.

The only Toronto reggae bands I've seen are the Skatalites and the Reggae Cowboys....that's right......and once we saw at the Rivoli.....Fred's fave....Uggh! I can't remember their name but they were a Japanese reggae group....First time drinking Samboucas that night. Go figure....


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:17:27 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Ian.......Juan Rodriguez was Montreal's most prominent music critic and music man about town for decades. I believe he has a website and if he can be reached somehow by you.....I am sure he would be a fine source of information. GOOGLE: Juan Rodriguez Rock N Roll Life.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:14:22 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.16)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Ian W: The book at the link should be of some assistance with club names. Try abebooks.com for a secondhand copy.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:00:02 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.159)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: I picked up a 1969 album the other day and thought of you - "Reggay on Tour" by the Sonny Bradshaw 7, a Jamaican band. I bought it not because reggae ace Willie Lindo is on guitar, but mostly because Mike Stuart is on sax.

But I must admit that the front cover also played a role, as it lists the places they'd played on tour - Montego Bay, Belize, Ocho Rios, Montreal, Toronto, Kitchener, Galt (ta-da!) and Hespler. (Preston doesn't get its own banner on the cover like the others, but is mentioned in the liner notes.) The thought occurred to me that these guys may have been your introduction to the music.

By the way, sax-man Stuart moved to Toronto that very year, 1969 and is a well regarded member of the jazz community. His Toronto-born older half-brother was a member of the Silhouettes in the '60s, so probably jammed with one or more of our guys at the Bluenote when the Silhouettes were the houseband, immediately before Whitey and the Roulettes (i.e., the proto-Mandala).


Entered at Mon Jul 6 23:46:30 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal in 1962

Is there anybody out there who can recall the clubs, bars and coffee-houses in Montreal in 1962 or has access to the archives of Montreal newspapers in that year or similar?

I'm doing a bit of background research on Dylan's visit there in late June and early July 1962 and would like to fill in a few blank spaces and/or "lighten up" a few of the grey areas.

If unable to help yourself, perhaps you know someone who is not a GB-er who may be able to help. If so, please let me know.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 19:29:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Phenomenal

Another great link. I knew about that one as it's on Mrs V's all-time favorites playlist for the car.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:57:52 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: SA

Didn't go to see any musicians in SA. We were busy with family.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:52:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ahhhh....You just reminded me Peter!!......Your Birthday and Tenn's and Tull's and imagezulu's (June).......all Cancerians! Ok who else in July? If my memory serves me well.....D.....and that's all I remember. Yeah....Birthdays are huuuge for me...more so than any other day.

Last song for the day.....Another one featuring the Birthday Boy Robbie....Even PSB didn't even know this song existed until I posted it here.

Hey JT...We were both in South Africa at the same time in 2004. Did you see any performers? We saw a singer-songwriter at their Harbourfront whose name escapes me now. Otherwise Juluka was playing in Cape Town but we couldn't make it. Shoot!

Since passion and emotion is in my blood; sometimes I have to do yoga....So I'm off to another class.
Happy Monday everyone!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:29:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Out of The Blue

Thanks for that Angie, it lifted my afternoon!

And Happy Birthday to Robbie. Cancerians Rule, OK!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:14:40 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For those of you who can't even wish Robbie a Happy Birthday.....Shame on you!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:08:02 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Peter...imagezulu's sister and partner were also in London.

Neil Young and Joni Mitchell more popular than The Band?! See 50 Best Canadian Songs of All Time. Sound clips included.
Numero uno.....The Hip! I would have chosen "New Orleans Is Sinking" or "So Hard Done By" or "Bobcaygeon" instead. The two times I've seen them along with other acts....Their audience knows every word to every song. Very impressive....

Jed. Your passion for the Dead and The Allman Brothers....Well....I did buy Greg Allman's book half price and looking forward to reading about his life as I really enjoyed his performances at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival. We recently had Gary Clark Jr. in town as well. Yes we are the small apple.

Apologies to Sue Medley who was also featured in the small clips of Canadian artists. I saw her open for B.B. King once at Massey Hall. I'm not really a fan but I do respect that she can play blues guitar.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 17:42:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Neil Diamond Toppermost

My latest Toppermost is up … ohm Neil Diamond. See link. Do comment over there. There's a video inset of DRY YOUR EYES too.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 17:24:03 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"I think we hit Canadian week because then a whole tour party came out of the Tate Modern in Globe and Mail T-shirts."

.........and the very next night, another tour party from Canada was seen leaving The Gaslight......they were wearing Toronto Sun T-shirts, of course.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:48:37 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Leon Russell?Grateful Dead

Saw the new film,A Poem is A Naked Person, about Leon during the years72-74.Nice to see George Jones but a terrible movie that should probably be shelved.It adds nothing to the legacy of one of the finest musicians of our times,Leon Russell. On another topic,the wife and i spent 3 nights watching and listening to the 'final" "Grateful Dead" shows.Final?To me,final was in 95 when Garcia passed.But it was fun,the musicians were excellent,the songs superb.Not the Dead,but some fine music.The July 4th show was particularly energized and well done.Trey,who i'm not a fan of,did wonderfully and merits all the praise for filling a tough role to fill in this band.Phil Lesh remains as one of the greatest bass players ever-he was omnipresent with his creative playing throughout.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:33:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: London UK

Make no mistake, Peter. L and I love London. We get there when we can and over the years have had connections there. And we are not alone. Not surprised to hear about your experience. When we are in London, we frequently see/hear/meet Canadians. Even when we go to other European cities, we try to get to London for at least a few days.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:11:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Canadian Week?

Funny, I wondered if you were all in London. We sat next to two Canadians at breakfast yesterday on the South Bank, and when the server took their order, they asked the server which part of Canada she came from. Toronto. Hey! We’re from Toronto too. At which a couple from two table away came over and said “We hear Canadians.” So they were asked where they were from. Guess where? Toronto!

It’s a funny thing on London’s South Bank. One weekend you only hear Italians. Next time we go, it’s only French. Then a few weeks later, it’s all German. I think we hit Canadian week because then a whole tour party came out of the Tate Modern in Globe and Mail T-shirts.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 15:56:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Hail Hail

Hail, Hail. The gang's all here.

Hail, Hail rock n' roll!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 14:24:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Many congrats to Scarborough, Ontario's The Weeknd!!

First he did not disappoint with his rnb/soul grooves with an added beautiful falsetto....at our Much Music Awards and then the very next day.....The Weeknd performs 'Worth It' & with Alicia Keys Performs 'The Hills' at the BET Awards 2015.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 14:10:18 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Glen Campbell I'll Be Me Trailer


Entered at Mon Jul 6 13:52:38 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Celine Dion, Joni Mitchell, Burton Cummings, Robbie Robertson GRT 1990

Kevin J and Norbert.... :-D


Entered at Mon Jul 6 09:10:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Newport 65

Thanks for linking PSB's excellent article. I'll get the book.

On Pete Seeger … I'll find it later, but there was a long Peggy Seeger interview this month with some interesting observations on brother Pete … and even for the most purist folkies, Peggy Seeger and Ewan MacColl always seemed a tad too purist. She's still complaining (as did Ewan) that she dislikes Roberta Flack's version of The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 06:09:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Just finished watching the Rory Kennedy film, "Last Days In Vietnam"........highly recommended......GB connection, the word "extracted" was used a few times.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 05:08:48 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: GB Heaven......

.....40 or 50 years from now and I find my self at the gates of heaven........"so, did this one contribute anything worthwhile", asks God......"an interesting post or two? Perhaps a revelation along the way on the songwriting dispute? A reasoned argument on why the criticisms of TLW are nothing more than retroactive nonsense?" I'm afraid not, your Holiness..........ahhhh, hold on, an old note from Canada makes special note of his.... ahhh....."energy".........seems all there is really........"oh my, I see...... one of those was he .......yes, well, we are seeing more and more of these types, I'm afraid......put him aside for now"


Entered at Sun Jul 5 23:17:42 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: A discussion on Dylan in NYC at the end of the month

http://www.mcny.org/event/dylan-goes-electric-new-york-newport


Entered at Sun Jul 5 21:56:24 CEST 2015 from (87.144.164.199)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Odyssey

"It took Odysseus 10 years to return to his Ithaca home from the Trojan war, losing all his men along the way."

Greece’s modern odyssey is to begin tomorrow.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 21:51:22 CEST 2015 from (87.144.164.199)

Posted by:

Norbert

Angie, good to see you!

Jeff, old Soprano, you know I love you ;-)


Entered at Sun Jul 5 20:05:45 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Happy birthday, Robbie!

I was enjoying How To Be Clairvoyant just yesterday, after a long absence from playing it. Still holding up great.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 14:44:11 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It's Robbie's Birthday today!


Entered at Sun Jul 5 07:26:12 CEST 2015 from (92.83.191.122)

Posted by:

grow

Web: My link

So interesting....look onward to visiting again


Entered at Sun Jul 5 03:05:45 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, whilst i've not found any way to interpret your post to Norm and comment to me, i'm all for people overcoming anything.......


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:14:00 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Joshua Manuel Receiving Richard Manuel's NY Blues Hall Of Fame Award 5-31-15 BB Kings, NYC

Hey Norm! If you missed the special on Glenn Campbell it's airing again tonight at 6:00 Pacific time. It's true....because he has such great tone in his voice you forget what a great guitar player he is as well.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:04:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson: "Van Morrison's body of work is astounding; it speaks for itself. We don't need to name off these songs - we all know how it affects us. And in the tradition of the great Irish poets and the great soul singers, he is the Caruso of rock and roll, and I'll treasure his music and his friendship forever. So it is my honor to induct my man Van into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tonight. Thank you."

"It doesn't get any better than that, does it? Let me tell you what kind of a man we're dealing with here. I've known him since about 1969, after Astral Weeks and Music From Big Pink came out, and we both felt kind of a musical connection. And when I was working on the Band's second album, he dropped by to visit. I was playing around with a little guitar idea, and he asked me where I learned to play like that. And I said I didn't know, and he got up and left. Not too long after, he moved to Woodstock, New York, where we were living at the time, and one day he came over to my house, and I was in the middle of writing a new song. Well, he had some ideas, and before too long, we finished it up, and that night we went into the studio to record it. We played it down once so everybody could learn it, then we played it again, and put it down on tape, and he got up and left. But this was the night he became the Belfast Cowboy."

I was just reading past posts....Sarah from Robbie's land....I just take breaks; I'm never missing. One reason....I was totally engaged with the NBA. I saw every single playoff game. I have no idea how I'm going to watch these players from other teams who I cheered for as the Raptors were out really quick this year. The problem is we don't even have one superstar....Vince Carter from days gone by was the only one....and we lack real leaders on the Raptor team as well as lacking defence and......they peaked too early in the season and won mostly against teams in the east and not the west. Anyway, in the end I was cheering for Lebron's team as Canadian Tristan Thompson was on the team and Cavs did not have their two all-stars due to injuries so I had to cheer for the underdogs. If only JR Smith was more consistent with his three-throws and Kyrie and Love weren't injured then they could have won it all. See why I didn't have any energy to post here? ;-D

I'm so glad you're continuing to post Joan. You're a peaceful warrior. :-D

Peter V and Bill M....Hellooooo! You guys should know by now that I take breaks. Always glad to see both of you here.

joe j....Whatever happened to Rawlins Cross? Btw when I visited your province it was so cool. I walk into one store and they're playing Marley. Next store they're playing VU's reunion tour of 1993. We go to the car and.....just remember it was great.....lol....maybe Motown?

Lisa....Thank you so much for sharing about your experience with Robbie Robertson! I came sooooo close at our Canadian Music Week to ask a question but I didn't and I'm glad I didn't because at the time I was so entangled with the FFFF......Big mistake at the time.

Kevin J....I've always appreciated your energy here. Hope you had a great Canada Day too!


Entered at Sun Jul 5 00:08:44 CEST 2015 from (161.185.161.93)

Posted by:

Ray

THANKS, MIKEY!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 23:08:16 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Happy Independence Day to my friends south of the 49th . . . Ray, Lars and Butch, to be specific. Best of the Fourth to you. Careful with those fireworks.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 22:45:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Living In The USA

Happy 4th you all.

Link features Chuck & Linda.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:03:35 CEST 2015 from (194.168.195.98)

Posted by:

Peter V

Angie and Norm in one day! Things are looking up!

PSB, no idea where I got the Van / Robbie reference. That was written years ago without having seen your article.I assume one of the Van biographies … which were clearly wrong. So Van has a point.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:00:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Good to hear from Angie & Norm. Love to do Norm's boat tour. Not the tug is it? I escorted some elderly relatives on a local tour this week. Icebergs, whales and eagles but the best was the rolling of the sea. Lulls you into a special place. Had a bonfire on the beach afterwards. Scallops & mussels. Life is good.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:23:42 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Angie it's good to hear from you I hope all is well. Happy July 4 to everybody Tony too many hot dogs and enjoy


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:00:19 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Torn Out By The Roots

I agree about the sound of Cahoots; it has always sounded thin to me, at least on the original vinyl. Was disappointed at first, but the record has grown on me over the years. An advance in musical sophistication, a bit of a retreat lyrically. Love Richard's singing & Garth's wailing sax on "Last of the Blacksmiths", the dreamy vibe of "Thinking Out Loud" & the treat of having Van along for the ride on "4% Pantomime". Hell, I'll even cop to liking "The Moon Struck One"!

One of the lesser Band albums for me, but as others here have said, released today it would sound like fresh genius. Which only goes to reinforce the undiminished brilliance of "Big Pink" & "Brown".


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:59:20 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hey Pat B. You were right...I did quote Robbie awhile ago and wasn't leaving the site. You don't miss a thing. :-D
Happy Healthy Independence Day to you and all other Americans today.
Btw small world as I saw Cathy Richarson perform in NYC! She was channeling Janis in "Love Janis". She was absolutely fabulous!

I can't wait to see Van once again in September! This time I'm in the eighth row!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:21:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Last night I enjoyed an epic bout of Bob Dylan. Every year Fitzgeralds in Berwyn Illinois just outside Chicago hosts the American Music Festival--Joe Ely, Marcia Ball, Glen David Andrews, Bill Kirchen and Redd Volkaert, Dale Watson, Jimmy LaFave, you get the idea. My Dylan tribute band The Zimmermen with guest Cathy Richardson from Jefferson Starship played in the late afternoon, then two hours later I played keys with Tributosaurus in another Dylan tribute. We only repeated one song. In between sets as a great band called Dust Bowl Revival tore it up, who walks in but the absolute legend Sam Lay just off being inducted into the RnR HoF as a member of Butterfield's Band. So we get a picture--members of a Dylan tribute band surrounding the guy who played drums with Dylan at Newport in 1965.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 17:08:31 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Cahoots and Van meeting Robbie

Peter, where did you get the information that Van's first meeting with any members of The Band was in Los Angeles in 1970 where he met his neighbor Robbie Robertson? As the above link will show, at the very earliest they met on Halloween in 1969, two nights before their Ed Sullivan appearance. And while it's not in the blog, Robbie and Van most definitely met. Robbie said kill 'em Van as he was about to go onstage.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 15:12:14 CEST 2015 from (98.223.186.203)

Posted by:

Zavadka

Subject: Cahoots

I also was at Arie Crown in 1971; my 3rd live Band concert in IL. My first two were at MRF in Edwardsville. I was very moved by Cahoots, so much that I made a trip to Bearsville in November 71 thinking that I could talk to Robbie about diminutive chords, silly me :) But....I did get lucky. Ran into Robbie at a convenience store and he talked over an hour about the album, chord progressions, Allen Toussaint and the upcoming Rock of Ages gigs. Even got a few photos together with him.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 14:55:43 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Norm, the California raisins. Yes . . . it all makes sense now.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 13:40:01 CEST 2015 from (213.205.251.73)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great to see Norm back!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:54:02 CEST 2015 from (92.83.178.248)

Posted by:

eye

Web: My link

Many thanks! This is definitely an fantastic web site!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:30:22 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: PSB review of new Dylan book

I haven't read this new book on Dylan going electric at Newport yet. Looking forward to finding a copy. What is impressive right now is what a great read Peter Stone Brown's review is.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 11:29:25 CEST 2015 from (87.152.113.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Midlife Crises

Norm, I won’t give names, but midlife crise is a common thing here. I myself wanted to wet shave and walk the dog.

Anyway it will pass and no one will blame you (you’ve heard that Jeff….), just carry on.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 08:04:02 CEST 2015 from (87.144.175.214)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Norm, ok, we will discuss these plans later ;-).


Entered at Sat Jul 4 07:24:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I remember October 1980 and thinking "Just like Starting Over" just couldn't be John Lennon..........fast forward 35 years and "Meet The Raisons" - is it Norm ? Nahhh ! Really ? Gawd damn, everything changes, I guess !

Book a ticket on that Eco tourism ride, wherever you are .......should be fun.......if it gets late and the captain is still upright, do mention that Pierre Bouchard had the fight won before Stan changed hands.......


Entered at Sat Jul 4 03:42:42 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest (Port Alice BC)
Web: My link

Subject: Meet The Raisins

Having taken a long hiatus from the Guest Book, I was encouraged by many friends to stop by. Susan and I have moved back to our home in Port Alice on Northern Vancouver Island. We are about to try a (eco-tourism) plan to take people out on day trips in our big boat. about 10 hours a day through the summer and show about 6 or 8 at a time the inlets of Quatsino Sound and the history and sights of the area. There is always a lot of interest particularly from European folks who love to see this rugged coast. Hope all are well. I have put a link to a page here. In explaining, in our back yard we have a green house that has been taken over by the grape vine. Really quite beautiful with wonderful wine grapes. As we sat on our back deck this afternoon, Susan said, "What are you going to do with that? It's taken over the green house." I said, I'm just going to let it grow. It looks so nice I can't cut it down. I started singing I heard it through the grape vine. I said you know the California raisins have always been my favourite animation. I haven't had time to bother with this computer much lately. I came in and pulled up youtube. This is something I haven't seen before even tho' I have watched a lot of the raisins. If you have not seen this before, this is one of the best half hours you will ever spend. You have to pay attention as this is a history of r&r and pop music. The puns and jokes are great. You need to listen to identify the voices behind this. I just love it, hope you all will enjoy it. Have a good and safe summer. Our weather here......I'm considering going back to Mexico where it might be a little cooler :):):)


Entered at Sat Jul 4 00:36:27 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

The link is to an article on Ringo :-)


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:22:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On Street Legal, you were right and she was wrong! Love that album.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:12:40 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I think the timing of when someone comes to a work , be it an album or book can have a big influence on how it is judged…..I remember vividly as a teenager being at a party at my brother’s apartment and telling an older lady how excited I was by the Bob Dylan album “Street Legal” - pause: can anyone else remember the thrill of chatting up an “older lady” at a party…..hilarious to think about it now as that older lady would only have been mid to late 20’s at the time ! - anyhow, the lady scoffed at me and went on to explain that Bob Dylan was nowhere near as good as he had been, etc……….after Big Pink and The Band album, our boys were in a similar situation and had almost no room for any slack or any fun. Volcano is a fun, kind of silly song but so what, most of rock n roll is that………It is no coincidence that many solo albums of great artists lack the throwaway fun numbers that bands provide comfort to.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 19:19:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Article on Cahoots (Jawbone)

What I wrote in the linked article on this site:

I was worried when I bought it on the day it was released. Danger signal. The lyrics were printed on the inside sleeve. Robertson had said in all the Stage Fright interviews that the joy of rock lyrics was puzzling out the words, mishearing them, guessing. I spent days listening to this one again and again, waiting, hoping for it to touch me like the first three albums had. But no, only a couple of tracks would stick in my head. I couldn't remember the tunes of half of it. I had to admit that my favourite band had produced an album that was 50% turkey.

Anyway there's a lot more at the link. I can't remember writing most of it!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:52:58 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Volcano

LINKED: Volcano......I love it as well. The guitar and horns and Rick singing.

Todd: If the sound was good at the theatre, I am sure you had a great experience last night.....By UOCC, I am hooked every time....I've only seen it on a big screen twice.....1978 and some time in the 2000's. First time was especially stunning as I had never seen rock n roll in a theatre house before and I was still discovering things about The Band....still am actually, but it was such a mind blow to take it all in at the time.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:33:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When Cahoots came out, I listened to it constantly. I had a girlfriend who loved Volcano. The band I was in covered Carnival and Where Do We Go From Here. I saw them do the latter at Arie Crown Theater in 1971. I spent hours trying to figure out what Garth was doing on Moon. I covered WDWGFH with Tributosaurus because the great Robbie Fulks wanted to do it. Another band I was in covered Masterpiece. Richard sings Blacksmiths. 4% is a superb example of The Band playing together live. Oh yeah, Van and Richard sing together. Smoke Signal became a gigantic live showcase. River Hymn has some great singing, and Garth rips it up on gospel organ. Critics enjoyed disparaging it, but if a group released that album today, they would be hailed as geniuses. A great album cover and a revealing back album photo.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 17:33:15 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.24)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm a big fan of "Cahoots", though not of its brittle sound. It took a good while to find a way in, but once in I was hooked. As I've said here numerous times, my way in was Jack Bruce's "Songs for a Tailor".


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:44:18 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bi PolarBear2

Subject: OopsTim Sundog

Correct spelling: Tim Sundog Corcoran. Again, I can't judge cause I don't know. NRPS might, tho.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:36:14 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bipolar Bear2

Subject: Tim Sundog

Just google "Tim Sundog Cochran". What's right, what's not, I ain't the judgin kind.....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:55:27 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots (again)

Just wanted to say that if "Carnival" is the first beer in the sunny afternoon then "River Hymn" is the first beer in the following morning. Couldn't say it better.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:43:44 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots

I agree with Rod. The opening was a knock-out. The following songs are complex, especially lyrics for a non-native speaker like me, some in the B-side are really rock-bottom altough 'Shootout In China Town' could have been a foresight about this gb. The more or less unhappy ending (River hymn) is just sovereign to 100%. Usually Mr. Helm's singing - in opposite to the majority here and "there" - doesn't make my tears run in to my boots but this time it will. - Anyone remember the colourful gb regular from the early years Tim(Sundog) from Wisconsin/Vegas? He said that this LP (yes, LP!) should be played out LOUD!!!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 11:17:52 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Cahoots

I haven't listened to this one in it's entirety for a while but I think I will so again over the next few days. The last time I listened to it I remember thinking how complex some of the chord progressions were - almost like a nod back to the brown album. In fact I'd say it has the best two opening tracks on any Band album with exception of the Brown album. The album does fade away a bit after that almost song by song. Side two lets the whole thing down but all the songs on side one would hold there own on most Band albums. Still it's better than any of the 90's albums.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 10:04:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Prefabs and Hartford CT

When I was very young, I lived in a prefab in West London. The street was made up entirely of prefabs and I have a fairly clear memory of our prefab and the street. I have fond memories of both.

I also have good memories of some weeks spent in Hartford CT in the mid-1960s. I mention it because the Allyn Theatre there is where I saw "Help!" on the big screen, in a double bill with, rather bizarrely, a western called "Trigger On The Finger". Less mainstream films were shown at the Art Cinema (255 Franklin), above which was a place called The Image which occasionally had folk singers and the like.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 08:51:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I was in a Sears Roebuck's home … an early one too … in a winery in California. They had two different ones which were erected when it started. The link says they stopped in 1940, but I have an advert I'm using in a book for similar which is later … 1946 to 1947, maybe a different mail order company.

The UK equivalent were Prefabs, built after World War II to replace bombed out housing and to provide homes for returning soldiers. They had a "ten year life" but quite a few still stand and are "Grade II listed buildings" which means you can't demolish them or alter the exterior. See link for those interested in prefabricated building.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:50:22 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Plagiarism case

See the link....No comment. Just posting. But wasn't there another artist who had the same song allegedly plagiarized by Zep- or was that a different song? The guy was a folk singer....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:18:03 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Pete, after careful consideration I've determined that whether or not the Mounties hat would touch the interior ceiling or roof in an igloo depends on the height of the mountie & whether it was a Sears & Roebuck Igloo or some other builders...... There really were Sears & Roebuck homes in the U. S.... i encountered some in the City of St Louis.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 01:19:37 CEST 2015 from (174.236.36.135)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: TLW

Sitting in a movie theater in Hartford CT waiting for a screening of The Last Waltz to start in approx 10 minutes. Will be my second time ever seeing it on the big screen.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 23:57:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

OK, do Mounties remove their hats on entering igloos? I would have thought that the high crown would touch the roof and then like touching a canvas tent, start a drip.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 21:37:24 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, I've been posting on thus guestbook for a number of years and have been pretty consistent in my views. I don't recall posting anything about 'Islands'. I didn't realize that there was a litmus test to being a Band fan and that one had to praise 'Northern Lights/Southern Cross' and 'Cahoots' to be a part of the club. Sorry.

I absolutely feel that 'Cahoots' is the weakest Band album. The 3 90's albums are far superior, in my opinion. Of the 90's albums, I think that 'Jubilation' is the best, followed closely by 'Jericho' and 'High on the Hog'.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:25:35 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Cahoots is the weakest Band album? What a ridiculous statement--but to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:09:05 CEST 2015 from (107.77.76.126)

Posted by:

Bob F

Ben, sorry for the snarky comment(great word by the way). It's just that's couple of months ago obviously a different Ben from the great state of New Jersey was on here bashing Northern Lights and Islands.After a while it's like saying you love pizza but not the cheese and sause.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 19:11:32 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

1,00 Points for the leaky igloo roof Jerry! Ballbusters Anonymous would take you right out of the probation period for that one... Pete, 1,000 points for you as well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:13:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SANTA FE

The third Van / Jackie collaboration … am I right … it sounds very much like Van Morrison's band to me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:11:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: FLAMINGOS FLY

And Jackie DeShannon on her co-write with Van Morrison, Van is on the chorus backing.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:09:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SWEET SIXTEEN

Sorry, previous link was wrong and you must have been puzzled to get to Educating Rita. I was linking bits of my site and had that link copied and I pasted it in error. This link really IS Van and Jackie DeShannon on top form.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:04:50 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I mainly agree with you on Cahoots, Ben. But for me, When I Paint My Masterpiece and Life Is A Carnival are both first rate, and I enjoy Shoot Out in Chinatown, and, well, 4% Pantomime lacks in melody or great arrangement, but it is fun.

Remember those sayings. People who live in glass houses shouldn't. Not in daylight anyway.

People who live in ice houses shouldn't get undressed either.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:48:39 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Peter V told a joke on Canadians. To keep the balance I feel free to tell how our "Britishness" saved us from paying a fee.

We drove a buss from Pavia to Milan (Italy). We should have bought a ticket BEFORE entering the buss, not IN THE BUSS like we were used to. Honestly, we didn't know. - Unfortunately, this was the day when Il Signore Controllatore came to this very buss from Pavia to Milan. I said to him something like "due billetti a Milano, prego" and gave him a couple of millions Lire because I believed it is the time to pay now. He was like a thunder storm! FURIOSO! An educated man in front of us saved us by knocking his forehead and saying "Anglese -ha-ha-ha-ha". Everybody in the buss laughed. We laughed, too, hysterically... Il Signore Controllatore was satisfied and took a couple of millions of Lire and went away.

It is good to be British! Especially if you are not.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:46:55 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I really have a dislike for the sound and production of 'Cahoots', along with the mostly mediocre songs. I just don't care for the arrangement of 'Masterpiece'. To my ears, Dylan's more stripped down version is much preferable. Again, to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:39:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: WIPMM

When I Paint My Masterpiece: Both are great versions. A wonderful song realized effectively and differently by The Band.

What I would like to know are the details of why one would NOT like this version as it stands on its own. That would give me some insight into what makes the writer feel negatively. For me, the vocals are top notch and the playing is classic Band. So please explain.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:31:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I know you mistyped and meant When I Paint My Masterpiece. I'm surprised at preference for the Dylan version which I thought definitely inferior to The Band … it's a great Levon lead vocal.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:27:12 CEST 2015 from (197.5.129.6)

Posted by:

JuleH

Web: My link

I got the interest in the band after reading levons book(this wheels on fire) and kind of redisgovered the music and i found out how great it is.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:24:49 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, to each his own. I think 4% pantomime is somewhat amusing, sure. But, I don't think it holds up to repeated listening or consider it much more than than a drunken novelty, it's certainly not a serious part of either Van or The Band's cannon. It would have been wonderful for Van and Richard to cover some Ray Charles tunes.

In my opinion, Cahoots is a disaster. The only first rate song is 'Life is a Carnival'. I don't really care for the version of 'Life is a carnival'. I much prefer Dylan's version from his Greatest Hits, Volume 2. The other songs that you mentioned are extremely mediocre. Nothing special. This album was a massive step down after 'Stage Fright'.

Regarding your snarky comment, I certainly hold the Band's catalog from Music Big Pink through Jubilation in very high regard. But, I feel that 'Cahoots' is by a wide margin the weakest Band album.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:12:52 CEST 2015 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Consistency over a long stretch

Speaking of maintaining consistency over a long career, just finished first listen to the recent Willie Nelson album Band of Brothers, his first (mostly) original collection in some time. Top notch. Good songs, production, and Trigger is in fine form. Long time no lurk. Hope all are well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:49:36 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Cahoots

Ben, how can you be a Van/Band fan and not love 4% Pantomime? Smoke Signal, Thinking Out Loud, Volcano, Where Do We Go From Here are wonderful. When I Paint My Masterpiece is well, a masterpiece. I'm curious are there any original Band records you do like?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:18:07 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: national anthem (alternate)

Y'all gave me this earworm, now you have to take it . . . .


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The roof leaks on the igloo

Yup: I'll have to go to the freezer to get one of those blocks of ice/snow out to fix the leaky roof.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:31:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If you go back to Them in the 60s, I'd put Van's remarkable run at 50 years.

HARD NOSE suffers from awful sleeve design, but you could line up a dozen versions of Wild Mountain Thyme / Purple Heather / Will Ye Go Lassie Go and I doubt many would choose Van on Hard Nose. To a degree it's an album "critics loved to hate" - other prime examples were Self Portrait and Lou Reed's Berlin. Self-Portrait has at last revealed its true worth and finally got appreciation, and suddenly all the critics have found they liked Berlin all along. Maybe it's time to reassess HARD NOSE.

It was one of the chapters in an uncompleted project of mine on the albums that critics lambasted on release. The title track is pretty good too.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:13:54 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I agree with Van's consistency. If you go back to the beginning of his career with Them in the mid 60's, he had a nearly 20 year run of remarkable music.

I disagree with you on Hard Nose the Highway. I think that it's far stronger than Cahoots. I don't consider it one of Van's major works like Astral Weeks, St. Dominic's Preview or Veedon Fleece, but I find it to be an enjoyable listen. I don't find Cahoots very enjoyable. Besides "Life is a Carnival', Cahoots is a disaster in my opinion.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jerry, you have to take Jeff seriously on Canadian weather. I mean, if it's not cold, how you come you all live in igloos?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 11:10:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I'd place Van Morrison as the most consistent of the prolific artists, and I see no quality drop in the "trilogy" of Into The Music, Beautiful Vision, Inarticulate Speech of The Heart … and when "Wavelength" magazine did a poll, Beautiful Vision edged Astral Weeks out of first place.

BUT everyone has their "Cahoots" and I would say Van Morrison's "Hard Nose The Highway" is that imperfect thread in the Persian carpet, though even then it has the incredible "Warm Love" on it. But Side Two with Green, Autumn Song and Purple Heather was not great.

Oddly enough, at the same time in 1973, he was cutting those four great tracks with Jackie DeShannon, Sweet Sixteen, Santa Fe, Flamingoes Fly and The Wonder of You. Sweet Sixteen, had he used it would have been the best track on the album. It's a duet, Jackie and Van, and is linked above. It was a single.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 09:46:29 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mick Taylor

I saw John Mayall's Bluesbreakers WITH Mick Taylor and WITHOUT Mick Taylor soon after he left the band. Chris Dreja (Yardbirds) jumped in to the stage in last minute, hide himself behind an amplifier and turned his back to the audience. John Mayall "found" him there and forced him to the stage. He played well. I didn't mind.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:21:20 CEST 2015 from (184.100.97.1)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Postwar radio

PV, thanks for your suggestions. I am not familiar with your sources but will try to check them out. As for search engines, so much information about FCC regs is available that it is hard to sort through it, but I am still trying.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:10:21 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: sleep deprived and Van

JT, sometimes i swear this computer which I got late last year types whatever the hell it wants to.

Ben, I agree with you on Van. Inarticulate Speech was the first Van album not to do it for me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:06:26 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Woodstock 67

Ian, yes that is Tiny Tim peering through the door.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 04:26:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry- Don't your ribs hurt ? What kind of a dockter are you? I'm just busting chops.

If you want lessons, ballbusters anonymous has daily meetings. The idea is elevation, not cessation.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 03:45:54 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Climate

OK Jeff: You got me. I laid it out on your table and you got me. I guess my poor understanding of your variable northeastern USA climate is equal to yours of Canada. smiley face....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:20:22 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

JT, there's an enormous difference in weather and climate between NYC & Boston......... Most of Pennsylvania has far worse weather than we in NYC.

Buffalo, hell,. it's barely in the U. S. Weatherwise, those folk may as well be in Siberia. Or Minnesota....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:03:18 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Canada Climate

Some useful information since its Canada day: It is not alway cold in Canada until you go far north. We have a vast country but the vast majority of our 30 million + population lives in relatively temperate climates (similar to Buffalo and NYC and Boston). Toronto does get cold spells but it is not a severe - 30C most of the winter. Edmonton can get like that and at times is intolerable. Here in Victoria in 12 years I have seen snow only 3 times and only once was it significant. The cherry blossoms appear late in January or early in February and its golden from there on. It is hot now but this is a little unusual, since it is usually only 75-80 F (American degrees) in the summer. The nights in Victoria can go down to near freezing but it is not common to get really really cold. I think we get our reputation from the vast lands that are to some degree minimally inhabited. Yes I've been to Timmins and Sudbury in Ontario in the winter, and it does get pretty cold and snowy. Those are 2 cities in Ontario with some population. So, Canada is cold if you look at the entire country but where most live, it is very much like living in the northern USA. Of course, it can get cold in Montreal and the maritimes with some severe cold weather, but southern Ontario is much like the NYC/Boston/Philly megalopolis in climate much of the time.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:05:23 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk- I sympathize........you guys must be so foroughly frozen you lost all feeling and can't tell no more.....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:01:55 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, I know this. And Ian was essentially on his deathbed when he reminded Keith- don't forget, Johnnie Johnson is alive, & living in St Louis. A few months later, Taylor Hackford asks Keith to be M.D. of the Hail Hail Rock & Roll concert / film....Keith says I have a condition, JJ has to be involved......this led to Johnnie having a substantial solo career...


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:34:40 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

The Stones had a great run from 1968-78. Most of those albums are classic. I think that Goat's head soup and It's only rock and roll are the two weakest albums in that series.

I would argue that The Who and Van Morrison at lest equalled, if not surpassed The Stones in roughly the same period. The Who from The Who Sell Out in 1967 through Who Are You in 1978 released a classic body of work. Pete Townshend also released two fine albums in this period, Who Came first and Rough Mix (with Ronnie Lane).

Van's body of work from Astral Weeks in 1968 through Wavelength in 1978 is also essential. The next few albums he released, Into the music and Common One are also excellent. I don't think he released a spotty album until Inarticulate Speech of the heart in 1983.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:23:59 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff

Jeff. Fer fuck's sake! Most of Canada has the same temperature as the States. If not hotter sometimes. You sound like Diamond Helm.LOL


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:01:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, in Keith's book, he says he and Ian Stewart (who he considered the leader as he ran the auditions for The Stones) bonded by chatting about Johnnie Johnson rather than Chuck Berry.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 23:35:18 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.119)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Good-to-Bad Ratio

I wonder what The Band's good to bad Song Ratio is compared to bands as e.g. The Stones.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 23:24:01 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.119)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Winterland & The Wrecking Ball

That Winterland venue and Bill Graham must have been something special, check the link (Dicky Betts is fav. too I read). Anayway people still listen to pieces of Winterland concrete ;-).

“It was the best venue "acoustics/sound wise" in the entire Bay Area! The magic and vibe inside was something no other place could match.”

“My first concert at Winterland was a month after I got out of the Air Force. It was March 1969, the show was AUM, Savoy Brown and Janis. Unbelievable show... I saw so many great shows, Robin Trower in 1971, Zappa, Lynyrd Skynyrd opening for Marshall Tucker and blowing the roof off... Very early Jefferson Starship, Lou Reed, The Beach Boys (went to mock them and, again, blown away), Toots & The Maytals opening for Santana, and dozens that I can't remember... The vibe was always mellow. Thank You!!”

“In my garage is a chunk of concrete, taken from the rubble of Winterland when they tore it down. My good friend Ron and I made the pilgramage to say goodbye one more time. Now and then I hold it up to my ear like a seashell, listening for long-lost echoes of so many incredible shows. And yeah, sometimes I hear a few tunes...”

“I also went and saw Winterland being torn down with a crane and wrecking ball in '85. I have a piece of Winterland concrete in my dresser drawer”


Entered at Wed Jul 1 20:43:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I thought it was common for Keith to be many, many hours late for Stones sessions which then went on very late and that it was quite often that Keith or Ronnie did the bass part, because Bill had gone home.

Mind you, in the Charlie Watts edition of “Mojo” there is a Bill interview where he says Keith’s autobiography is “nearly half true” or something like that.

I loved Carmen’s list. Bought each one on release too.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 20:06:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock 1967 ?

Is that Tiny Tim peering through the window in the door? https://www.flickr.com/photos/hollowhorn/18749636386/sizes/o/


Entered at Wed Jul 1 19:23:35 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry- good for you. Appreciation is a big aspect of menschkeit. In any language or in any intelligent culture or being. Canada might be cold much of the year, but you have freedom....... And the U.S. for the best neighbor possible. ..


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:57:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Comet

Those were the near worst of times for this musician. He was a comet! The earlier films are worth watching to see the rising Rolling Stones.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:43:27 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Watch the whole thing.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:21:46 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: K Richards as a bassist?

Peter V - Although I haven't heard it in ages, I always loved the bass in Sympathy FTD; one of the best aspects of that song. And I think it was more out front in the mix than normal too.

Does it make sense it was Keith? Maybe KR playing a Bill W arrangement?


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:02:41 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Not so smart machine

See what I mean: 'form' for 'from'. Geez.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 18:01:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Extraction for the sleep-deprived

Peter Stone Brown: 'Extracted' is what we have the privilege to do when we are fortunate enough to take your words from your excellent articles and reviews in order to make a point. I hope you weren't extracted (it would imply a removal form society... distracted more likely). That spell/correct function in the system is often a killer for all of us.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:47:53 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: whoops

I was a bit extracted and going on not much sleep yesterday. I meant it was all down hill after Some Girls which I loved, still love and considered a return to form in every way. After that, there was the occasional good song or single.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:44:26 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Kiss the ground'

Thanks, Jeff. I want you to know that I wake up in the morning and figuratively 'kiss the ground' for the land in which I live.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:43:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Happy Canada Day to all you Happy Canadians!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:05:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones list

Carmen: Hits you right in the gut with excellence! Can any artist put up a 10-list like that? I look at all my favourites. In a word, no. (Here come the lists...)


Entered at Wed Jul 1 16:12:35 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Stones

This might be the 10 best years of Rock and Roll

1968 Beggars Banquet Released: 6 December 1968

1969 Let It Bleed Released: 5 December 1969

1971 Sticky Fingers Released: 23 April 1971

1972 Exile on Main St. Released: 12 May 1972

1973 Goats Head Soup Released: 31 August 1973

1974 It's Only Rock 'n Roll Released: 18 October 1974

1976 Black and Blue Released: 23 April 1976

1978 Some Girls Released: 9 June 1978


Entered at Wed Jul 1 16:08:19 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: CD Day

Thanks, Kevin. Back at you, and to all celebrants in the Land of the Beaver. Also, best wishes to my pal Ray in N.J. Go Chris! And Butch and Lars, and to all ships at sea, espy Norm's.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 14:19:44 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Band recollections & others

While we are remembering how we felt when we heard: The songs of The Great White Wonder (sold OVER the counter at Sam's in the late 60s for a short time) knocked me out completely. It was the vocals that were overcoming and let me know that these songs were something different and the fusion of Dylan and The Band was something otherworldly. And when I heard the first Led Zeppelin album, I was energized and though it couldn't get better than this. Finally, when I saw Blind Faith that summer and heard 'God' play, I saw first hand that a music form that so many said was just a fad that would pass had deep roots and would accompany me as a close friend through my life. That was all before 1970. I was right.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 08:39:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Corrected link

My link to "I'll Tell Everything I Know" went to a sample story. The above should go to the right place.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 08:34:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

RJ, I have a vague memory of reading this too. Haven’t found the right reference yet, but Simon Naapier-Bell’s “Ta-RaRa-Boom-De-Ay” has something on the radio station “wars” of 1939 to 1941, initiated when radio stations declined to renew their ASCAP licences and switched to BMI. That rumbles on and re-emerges in the mid 50s with rock ‘n’ roll. Might be a line of enquiry.

Ben Fong-Torres “The Hits Just Kept On Coming: A History of Top 40 Radio” should have it early on, but all I found at speed was stuff in chapter 1. The advent of TV from 1948, shifted advertising away from the big radio networks dramatically, but fuelled small local radio stations who increased local advertising revenue in the late 1940s.

Looking at the “soul” histories, there’s stuff on WLAC out of Memphis changing stuff by being the first high powered station playing black music, which until then was smaller and local.

I’ll keep looking but these might help Google searches.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 07:48:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Repeating’s alright, Jerry. There’s a different general UK reaction, because The Beatles were popular for a full year before the Stones arrived. Late 1962, their first TV appearance was Love Me Do and everyone I knew was hooked from there on. The first album, Please Please Me, here, was perfection from I Saw Her Standing There to Twist & Shout.

For me and most of my friends, we switched to The Stones during Hard Day’s Night / Help / Beatles For Sale then came back to The Beatles at Rubber Soul. Far more girls stayed with The Beatles, and the guys with the Stones … a noticeable divide at teen parties.

In our “Front Room band” days (garages were not used for teen band practice here), I reckon we fumbled our way through virtually every song on the first two Stones LPs and the first two EPs – it was 5x5 here and an EP, not an LP. The first three Stones EPs all charted too in the singles charts.

The Stones led us to the Chess catalogue (Pye International here) and I believe The Blues Volume 1 was the most influential compilation record ever.

When I look back to how enthusiastically teenage bands adopted The Stones material, I also recall that as a spotty bass player (i.e. covered in zits), it was one hell of a lot easier to play the R&B stuff than it was to puzzle out a Paul McCartney bass line. Let’s say that once you can play bass on three Stones covers: Bye Bye Johnny, Mona, and Can I Get A Witness, a pretty large repertoire is open to you without a lot of effort.

A lot of this stuff about first bands is my “Dart Travis” collection of short stories on 1964-1965 (see link) “I’ll Tell Everything I Know” – it’s now a Print on Demand as well as an ebook. The Print on Demand is worth it just for the back cover photo with a Hofner President bass!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 06:42:21 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.85)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Seven Cities of Cibola

Welcome to the club, Jeff. Canadian, Texas ! Love it. . Cheers and Happy Canada Day to you, Mike Nomad, Bill M, JT, Bonk, Norm, sadavid, Landmark, John D, Joe j, brown eyed girl, Robbie, Garth and anyone else being clipped for $110 in the HOV lanes while these Pan Am thingamagigys are going on.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 06:23:06 CEST 2015 from (75.168.157.136)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Postwar radio

I know that contributors to this guestbook have a great store of knowledge of American vernacular music, and I write in the hopes that some one of you may be able to help me with this inquiry. I have a fuzzy recollection of reading about a change in the regulations of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) not long after the end of the Second World War, by which many more local, low-power radio stations were allowed to operate than before. Many of these small stations were located in the southern U.S. and played a part in the popularizing rock and roll records. I am unable to remember the source of this information. Does anyone know more about this, or can anyone point me to a source of more information about it?


Entered at Wed Jul 1 04:45:15 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Now now , Kevin.......... or maybe...... Canadian, Texas.... See the link..Are you one of these Canadians? That would certainly be cause for for all sorts of .....................


Entered at Wed Jul 1 03:07:18 CEST 2015 from (24.114.78.192)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"No, not to live.—O nation miserable, With an untitled tyrant bloody-sceptered, When shalt thou see thy wholesome days again, Since that the truest issue of thy throne By his own interdiction stands accursed, And does blaspheme his breed?—Thy royal father was a most sainted king. The queen that bore thee, Oftener upon her knees than on her feet, Died every day she lived. Fare thee well! These evils thou repeat’st upon thyself Have banished me from Scotland.—O my breast, Thy hope ends here!"

........or as DVD BOX once said to LED LIGHT "in other words, that Jeff really is a bleeping idiot.......loved his song though"


Entered at Wed Jul 1 02:43:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Where did i hear that before

Jerry, you've repeated yourself far fewer times than either myself, Peter, Pat, & others here do on a regular basis. Kevin repeats himself and even then he's still the only person who has an inkling what the fuck he meant. By the third or fourth time, even he doesn't have an idea....


Entered at Wed Jul 1 01:07:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Beatles vs Rolling Stones

I may have said this before. If so, sorry for repeating. In 1963-64, I was 15-16 and I loved the Rolling Stones from the moment i heard the first album. I was not enamoured by Beatles or their ilk. Stones were different. Stones were what got me to blues. I knew R&B from Big G Walters and CKEY etc, but did not know blues. I knew Chuck Berry. I had no idea about Howling Wolf, Wille Dixon, John Lee Hooker, or any of the others. When I heard the Stones, I looked at authorship of songs and who played them in the past, and that is how I got to blues. Rolling Stones get all the credit. December's Children is not highly regarded and did not sell as well as the others, but there is stuff on it which I love (Especially 'Talking (A)bout You', which is an ear worm for me. When Beggar's Banquet arrived, I was blown away.

It was not until Rubber Soul that I started to see some merit in Beatles, though no purchases were made. My appreciation of Beatles came near the end. In retrospect, I cannot applaud my ignorance of the simple excellence of Beatles, but truth is what we need here and so this is my truth. Did my ears change. No. It was probably some macho stupidity that had little to do with music and happened at a time when simple pop was not something a young man would want to admit to liking. And so the Beatles were not appreciated by your (not so) humble listener in those early wonderful years. But, I did always appreciate their 'Roll Over Beethoven' and a few other songs ('Matchbox" )and some of the others derived from the rock and rockabilly genres. I gave those (grudging) acceptance.

Can anyone else relate to what I am talking about here? Do we have any other truth sayers or were the Beatles alway admired by all here from 1963 on? This should be interesting (maybe).


Entered at Wed Jul 1 01:07:07 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Exile is a great record. The rockers like Rip It Up, Happy and Rocks Off. The beautiful soulful slower tempo songs like Let it Loose and Loving Cup. The perfect single Tumbling Dice. The blues songs, the great country classic Sweet Virgina. Some of Mick's greatest singing on Shine a Light. The beautiful gospel thing I Just Want to See His Face. So much more like Sweet Black Angel and Torn and Frayed. What's not to love?


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