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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

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Entered at Fri Sep 4 07:19:17 CEST 2015 from (24.114.105.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Bravo on all sorts of fronts..... With you on TSIT and the missing "that".....though it seems to me, and not doubting JT's memory, odd that they would have played it one night and skipped it the next......hopefully Garth can confirm one way or the other.......maybe Adam could ask.

.......The Marcus position on enlightenment as border's crossed is exactly the type of press that got up my nose when reading all the press that surrounded the Basement Tapes release last year......Rick Danko had been singing country and folk songs since he was 5 years old and he and the other guys in The Band were portrayed as county bumpkins that were wholly schooled by Bob Dylan.......Yes, Bob had very significant influence on their development as people and songwriters - no doubt - but not nearly as one-sided as the rock press has stated.

Mystery Train: Thanks to Rhythm Jimmy, Joan and Bill for the comments on the Marcus book.......I've not read it.....picked it up a few times and a quick read of a paragraph or two at a store had me putting it back....not always a reliable test as I've had more than a few cases where I had similar experiences and ended up finally reading a book and regretting I had waited so long........love reading any thing Band related but Marcus can be way too much banana on the peanut butter...........heading out on the road soon and would welcome other views on this.


Entered at Fri Sep 4 05:30:03 CEST 2015 from (74.12.50.218)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Thanks for discussing "The Stones I Throw" so often this week. One of my favourite 45s of all time by anybody. Don't really know why - just is. Like you, I'm always thrown by the missing "That" in the title. "The stones that I throw" is what the guys are singing throughout, so why the record company would let some pedant near the label-printing machine is beyond me. Also, if you remember LaTH playing TSIT at Massey Hall, then I'm prepared to accept that LaTH played TSIT at Massey Hall. I'd certainly trust your memory of such a thing over Robbie's (or anyone else's). The more I think about it the more I see how pissed off Levon must've been to see the Hawks choosing to stick with Dylan rather than pushing what could easily have seemed to be a better horse in the race to the big time. Imagine how much begging would have been involved in getting Dylan to give them three minutes to sing their one song in their own hometown?

Re "Mystery Train", while I couldn't comprehend Marcus's style when I first picked up the book when I was 20, I've matured since then, and have come to appreciate his enthusiasm, his way with words and his ability to draw in references from all over the place. But one thing I didn't like at 20, and still don't like now (and it's something that bleeds into "Invisible Republic" / "Old Weird America") is his tendency to ignore the fact that minimise the abilities of the people in the Band before they crossed the US border - and got together with Dylan. Come to think of it, if he'd lived a hundred years earlier, Marcus could have been the guy who invented baseball out of thin air in Cooperstown NY.


Entered at Fri Sep 4 05:15:53 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.255)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Santana Projects

One with original plus other Santana Band members, another with Shorter, McLaughlin, Hancock, & Mrs Santana.


Entered at Fri Sep 4 04:05:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The media strikes again... and apologizes

The media in all its 'splendour' strikes again. They got it wrong and put it out wrong to the entire world. The application for refugee status was for another brother, not for the man who's wife and 2 children (including the now famous photo of the drowned 3 year old) drowned. Clearly a tragedy, but again the journalist(s) did not do their homework well and put out an erroneous story that impacted the world in a huge way on this day, only to admit that they got it wrong. An absolute and stunning error. Is it not astounding that such an important story was put out inaccurately?


Entered at Fri Sep 4 03:16:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.255)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Sadavid- i just got this far right now, to this point in your linked article. And I have a problem. The guys gone plum loco, gone way too far, overboard. He's reading things that happened after the Brown Album was recorded into his attempted analysis as follows:

"But there is a complicating factor here, at least for me. There is a necessary confusion between Virgil and Levon. Their various forms of bitterness blend and blur. Are we, when we hear it, angry at the North? Yes. At Robbie? Yes. Virgil is angry about his dead brother; Levon about his late, beaten-down bandmates, Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. And it’s this double antipathy, combined with the visceral thrill of the Band’s superb collective musicianship, that makes the magic go.."

An honest assessment of the song, the vocal performance, any aspect of the song or how anyone relates to it, could not follow that line of thought & timeline.


Entered at Fri Sep 4 01:28:30 CEST 2015 from (97.127.57.243)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Greil Marcus, "Mystery Train"

Anybody else here tried to read "Mystery Train" and gave up in frustration from not knowing what the hell Marcus was talking about (the "Notes and Discographies" excepted)?

I offer this example, a sentence referring to Robert Johnson: "Only his weakest songs move on an even keel; the greatest shudder and break and explode, or twist slowly around quietly shaking strings into a kind of suspension, until Johnson has created a mood so delicate and bleak one feels he cannot possibly get out of his song alive" (4th rev. ed., p. 27).


Entered at Thu Sep 3 23:05:55 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

...followed by Van performing on the actual Cypress Avenue.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 22:22:16 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Julie and litte John Tyler....

I got turned on to this Jason Isbell and some other stuff on the ITunes Band station. Anyone else ever tune in? It's a mixed bag: first they ONLY play songs by the Band off The Band's greatest hits album. Then they will overplay Crosby, Still and Nash into the ground. But they do find some interesting solo stuff and some groups I never knew like the Jayhawks. Then some stuff that is hilariously UNBandlike. Roz, do you dig "The Moon Struck One?"


Entered at Thu Sep 3 22:19:58 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here is one of Avedon's books............Performance: Richard Avedon Hardcover – Oct 1 2008.

I first found this book many years ago in Rochester. Inside was the photo of The Band in NYC 1969. This is not the photo that's in the archives under "sandwiches and cokes" with Taplin.....This book has the other photo I posted without Taplin
No wonder I didn't buy it as it's a huge book with a huge price.....Today I confirmed my recollection of the book and photo....price tag 138.00 in Toronto stores.....98.21 online.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 22:12:03 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Cliff "Trapped"

This is just SO good I have to put it here as well as Toppermost. Jimmy Cliff on Trapped" - originally the obscure 1972 single Bruce Springsteen knew and covered.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 21:41:28 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Cliff

Up on TOPPERMOST, my article on Jimmy Cliff - one of the Toppermost's I've most enjoyed. There are great video links from our webmaster, particularly "Terror" and "Trapped."


Entered at Thu Sep 3 19:01:41 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Mystery train

From todays NY Times


Entered at Thu Sep 3 18:07:21 CEST 2015 from (24.114.105.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I used to think the "feud" was the most irritating thing imaginable.......I now believe the spellcheck here that changes every "of" to "if" actually tops the irritation meter !

TSIT : Thank you JT. Such a good song and an interesting link/point in time in the whole should they have or should they not have closed down the Levon and The Hawks machine for several years right at the time they were ready to launch.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 17:59:00 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: "Call Me Levon"

A nice think piece (warning: marked Levonisto perspective) from a truly superb webzine I discovered yesterday: _The Bitter Southerner_ -- it does a fair number of music features, perhaps we'll eventually see Mr. Isbell's new release in "The Best Southern Albums of 2015."


Entered at Thu Sep 3 17:55:35 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

“The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it.

[These words are also inscribed upon his grave]”

― Karl Marx, Eleven Theses on Feuerbach

Blind Willie McTell....First time we met was at Cafe Wha? and second time at Hugh's Room for Steve Forbert!!!!! Long live Steve Forbert!!!!!!! Mr. Maximus took photos of us. Forbert's music is sacred to me as it helped me deal with grief. His voice......very soothing and his musicality.....unbelievable, right? He performed by himself with his guitar and his feet stomping to the beat......Loved every moment.

Photo I posted of the OQ by Wolin......Garth looks like he's letting loooooose with his arms up! Great to see. I would say performance wise the two times I felt he let loooooose at a show.....The one we saw at the Hard Rock Cafe (did not meet you this night as too many people wearing baseball caps...lol...hats cover ears, right?) with The Crowmatix and at Massey Hall with The Hawk and Levon.
Speaking of Levon.....well the name at least......Toronto Blue Jay Josh Donaldson's dad has the same name.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 17:51:53 CEST 2015 from (24.114.105.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jason Isbell

Yes David......and in a somewhat surprising though fully deserving turn the new Isbell album is really selling - in big numbers. Unless, I was dreaming this, I reall a headline somewhere a while back that the album was number 1 on a few different charts.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 17:30:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: RR knew the eternal wrong

'till I can see the light of day

shining at the world

and I realise that something here sure is wrong'

Read more: Band - The Stones I Throw Lyrics | MetroLyrics


Entered at Thu Sep 3 17:17:04 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Jason Isbell

As Ben F mentioned previously, Jason Isbell recently released an excellent new album, "Something More Than Free." I'm sure it will show up on many of this year's best releases lists, including mine. He & his wife Amanda Shires, who plays fiddle & sings with her husband on the new album, recently welcomed the birth of their daughter. Mr. Isbell's music is like a breath of fresh country air in this day & age of stale, soulless cookie-cutter tunes.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 16:31:53 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: V

Subject: Addendum: Apathy or isolationism?

Addendum: Has apathy set in or are these problems too far away? The former, maybe. The latter, I don't think so. They may be too far away from the Americas (even if the drowned little boy's family wanted to come to Canada and so Canada gets headlines today) but they are certainly not too far away from western Europe where countries are embroiled in a migration crisis,.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 16:22:54 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Where is the outcry?

Spoiler alert: This question may offend or may make some uncomfortable.

Where is the outcry from our performers as the world goes crazy with people on the run and heads being cut off and people being jailed for speaking out and antiquities being blown up? Clearly, as always, there are no facile answers to solve the problems described. For 50 years, I have been watching the conscience of our favourite musicians and performers crying out that this planet needs to respond to genocide and rape and economic strife. They did it with benefit concerts and with public statements and the like. Where is that outcry today? All I hear right now is a deafening silence.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 16:12:32 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: ..'not To be'

Thanks, Peter, for your 'Hamlet' review. Like so many I'm a huge fan of Cumberbatch and the other reviews sounded largely favourable of his personal presentation. It sounds from yours and from others that the director forgot that a great production depends upon the support it receives as much as it does on the star. The problem is that if the theatre is sold out every night, the director will not likely make adjustments and what could have been a great production will continue on with its flaws. Reminds me of music and backing musicians when a band plays. Leonard Cohen today is remarkable not only because of Leonard Cohen but because of the brilliance of everyone who supports him on the stage. It is a total show. Maybe, this 'Hamlet' may come to New York City at some point if the sales success continues. Maybe adjustments will be made and we will see the support rise up to expectations. If not, a tragedy.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 15:51:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Hamlet

As it's the hardest ticket to get in years, link to my review of Benedict Cumberbatch in Hamlet in London.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 14:33:53 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: TSIT by LATH live?

So, has "The Stones I Throw' ever been played live in concert by LATH?


Entered at Thu Sep 3 09:30:52 CEST 2015 from (58.104.4.92)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A couple of pictures of Robbie and Levon from 1960 I don't recall seeing before.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 05:04:41 CEST 2015 from (99.233.208.199)

Posted by:

Blind Willie McTell

Web: My link

For brown eyed girl. We met again at C'est What in Toronto, October 23, 2003 - Quill and Tolhurst with Garth Hudson and Maude. Link above is to your pictures.

I have walked by Cafe Wha? in the village many times but never inside. A few hundred meters west is Hudson Street. Further west is the Hudson River which might have been named after Garth.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 02:08:07 CEST 2015 from (64.229.236.80)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Little Feat

Thank you. Always appc this band, which I saw only once, but what a night! I was close enough to Richie Hayward to wipe the perspiration off his brow, had he needed assistance. Proximity to the amps, however, rendered me semi-comatose for the remainder of the evening. One of my personal highs.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 01:18:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Two Band shows followed by this Little Feat gem.

Ben Pike, look out. Them's fightin' words in some quarters.


Entered at Thu Sep 3 01:07:35 CEST 2015 from (4.15.249.166)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Moon Timing, a sensual obsession

Well, as long as I am back here I will bring up the most controversial subject from the old days of the Guest Book, "The Moon Struck One." I think Raine Maida does a fine job on the Canadian Tribute to the Band CD and generally I like the song! And mostly I like Cahoots better than those who now sometimes completely write it off (save maybe "Carnival"). I think it defies the Richard Aveldon Curse. I wonder if Roz has even heard it.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 21:48:32 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria ^ Toronto intermittently

Subject: My dotage

Thank you, Sebastian. I really appreciate your asking him. Best regards. As I said, and you will appreciate this, my dad (Concord Tavern owner after Mr. Fisher (with partners) thought that young Robbie Robertson was a gentleman and said so to me on many occasions. He also recommended my first starter guitar.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 20:50:28 CEST 2015 from (64.229.236.80)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Wolin

Yes, I agree, Angie. What a great shot. As Kevin said, a fleeting moment in time.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 19:36:08 CEST 2015 from (24.114.105.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Penny Wolin photo: Thank you, brown eyed girl. I love that picture, like 5 guys so happy to be arriving somewhere and looking forward to the future. Fabulous shot. To think just one year later it would all be over.

Bill M: Many thanks for your thoughts and help with the Geoff Muldaur.....and happy that you enjoyed TLW tribute. Your mention of Jimmy Bowskill reminded me of early 2000's and seeing Jimmy hanging around the guitars at Steve's on Queen St.......he was just a little kid but dressed like an old bluesman and always had that hat on !


Entered at Wed Sep 2 19:06:49 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: priceless Confederate sword to be repatriated . . .

. . . from the capital of Canuckistan to The Citadel military college, Charleston SC.

Three events will mark the return, one at Antietam National Battlefield, two at the college, September 16 - 18. Details at citadel.edu.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 17:51:16 CEST 2015 from (45.49.144.203)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Stones

My dad does not believe they played Stones then. Hope that helps JT.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 16:13:30 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My partner wearing my Band T at Rick Danko's Tribute in Simcoe, Ontario. I somehow got him to wear it hoping if anyone from the GB was present that maybe we'd have a connection. He didn't like the T to ever wear again, so I gave it to my brother. He tells me whenever he wears it someone always comes up to him to talk about The Band. Too bad he's not into The Band either but does like Dylan's art work.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 15:57:42 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Besides the Eastman House we also always go to the House of Guitars....and Dinosaur Barbeque.....and we always see Donna The Buffalo perform for free......while in Rochester. I guess Rick Danko bopped into the HOG once as well.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 15:25:43 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The Stones I Throw' is a great song

While I'm thinking about Robbie Robertson, I think that 'The Stones I Throw' is vastly underexposed. In my view, it is a great song. Had it been released with a proper approach, it would have impacted greatly. It is solid and stands up well with songs of its ilk. Maybe it should be released again?


Entered at Wed Sep 2 14:49:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'reckless'

And before I get appropriately corrected for the title, it is 'The Stones I Throw'. Leave out the 'That'. How reckless of me. I know better. Sorry, Bill M and everyone.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 13:09:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Indigo RR

Great! Thank you, BEG. Please send it to me. You have my e-mail, I believe.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 09:02:24 CEST 2015 from (83.249.160.204)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Vogue and The Band

The francophile she is Mrs. NWC has copies of French Vogue (actually Vogue Paris). In No 883 there is a picture of The Band on page 273. Nothing special, "just" the cover of Basement Tapes. It is a Charlotte Gainsbourg special issue and the connection is this: The film I'm Not There - Charlotte Gainsbourg - Sara Lownds - Bob Dylan - The Band.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 07:35:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sebastian....Here is another photo by Penny Wolin and The Band......Looks like Robbie and Richard are wearing the same shirt as in photograph with the watermelon.......1975.

Jerry T and Nomadic Mike...Thank you.
Jerry T...Btw while searching for the photo with Taplin and without him.....Hopefully I will know which book photo is from this week.......pretty sure now it's also by Avedon.......I finally found the photo I took of you and Robbie. Would you like me to post it here or send it to you? I still laugh when I think of that time at Indigo Bookstore and I'm behind you in line and somehow we realized that we both post here. A similar thing happened when Blind Willie McTell and his brother were sitting beside me at Cafe Wha? for a Garth show with Quill and Tolhurst 2003.

Todd...Too much.....I sent the very same Avedon photo of Dylan that you posted today to a young Dylan fan who only saw him for the very first time last year in his mid-thirties. Of course I went on and on about all the times I saw him. ;-D


Entered at Wed Sep 2 05:51:17 CEST 2015 from (45.49.144.203)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Penny Wolin

Penny is the name of the photographer. I'll check A Musical History.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 04:37:25 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones That I Throw

Sebastian: I apologize for asking this question again, but its important to me. I'm still trying?

Was 'The Stones That I Throw" played on Nov. 15, 1965 at Massey Hall in Toronto? Am I dreaming or did I really hear it there.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 03:41:39 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Sebastian, page 76 of A Musical History.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 02:22:06 CEST 2015 from (76.66.114.138)

Posted by:

Bill M

Hmm, the Avendon photo. With no beards to pull, Rick and Robbie are left to twiddle their moustaches - Rick like Snidely Whiplash and Robbie like Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp.


Entered at Wed Sep 2 02:11:36 CEST 2015 from (45.49.144.203)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Band photos with watermelon

Anyone recall some photos of The Band at a kitchen table (i think at shangri-la) with a watermelon cut in half? My dad has a white hat and jacket buttoned all the way up. Looks almost like a gangster. Been trying to find these online or find out who the photographer is.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 20:42:45 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Another of Avedon's album cover credits is Joan Baez's "Farewell, Angelina" from 1965.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 20:09:53 CEST 2015 from (32.216.248.152)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Someone showed me a picture and I just laughed, Dignity never been photographed

Avedon also photographed Bob Dylan at various points in his career.
At the link above is a 1963 portrait of a young Dylan near the Harlem River in Manhattan with the Park Avenue / Harlem River Lift Bridge in the background.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 19:20:56 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: This and that

Roz, did you and I happen to jump back in at just the same time...... Grail Marcus snarked, back before we used the word, that a Richard Avedon shot was the "pop curse" and always appeared on a bad album. He also did the famous sessions with The Beatles, of course. Sly Stone I'm pretty sure. And "Walking Man" which I might concede IS James Taylor's worst album. In her way Roz reminds me how long the site has been up and how lucky we are as Band fans to have had it. Levon and Rick were both still with us when it all started. So in a spirit of thanks I made the effort to dig out something that should be in the archives.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 19:05:20 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Richard Avedon also took the cover photo for Simon and Garfunkel's 1968 "Bookends" album. John Simon worked on recording the early sessions and played the Moog synthesizer on "Save the Life of My Child." While Paul Simon later sang about Kodachrome, the album cover was in stark black & white, one of Mr. Avedon's trademark styles. Viewed up close, one can see Avedon's reflection in Mr. Simon's irises.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 17:39:16 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Richard Avedon was actually on staff at Vogue when he took those shots of the OQ. It's interesting that after he spent 20 years photographing models and famous people, he spent years traveling through the backroads of the West shooting normal people. He compiled those photos in a superb book called In The American West--kind of like his own Brown Album.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 17:28:45 CEST 2015 from (64.229.236.80)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: photos

I second JT's motions. Thanks.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 17:18:05 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Thanks Ben for unearthing the Richard Avedon photo! While more familiar in the world of fashion, Mr. Avedon was no stranger to capturing portraits of musicians. Previously, of note, he had photographed the Beatles and Janis Joplin (see link). As Ms. Joplin was also a client of Albert Grossman, I wonder if that connection led to Avedon photographing The Band a year after his work with Joplin.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 16:46:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: OQ photos

Thank you to Ben, Pat B, BEG and jh for participating in expanding the excellent photos of the OQ. Greatly appreciated!


Entered at Tue Sep 1 16:16:50 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

All I did was forward Ben Pike's fine work to the webmaster. Ben deserves all the credit.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 15:59:36 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Willie's new royalty stream

GQ profile of Mr. Nelson and his new joint venture.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 12:50:30 CEST 2015 from (158.39.165.130)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Avadon photo from Vogue, January 1970, in the article "The Band...The Best?", by Richard Goldstein. Thanks to Pat B. et al for digging it up.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 11:14:03 CEST 2015 from (109.148.23.96)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk

Thanks for that version of Small Town Taslk. Really good version.

This is the version I play by John Martyn. He doesn't play guitar on it. It's understated and Arran Ahmun's drums move the track along. You hear lyrics clearly. It's from an album of covers.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 09:20:46 CEST 2015 from (92.18.161.31)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Vacation at Big Pink

Don and Susan LaSala, who purchased the historic home in 1998, began offering the dormer portion of the property for overnight accommodations for the first time this summer. As Big Pink's description notes, that includes "Levon Helm's bunk area," a sunroom ("Rick Danko's quarters"), the Central Staircase as well as "views of Overlook Mountain." The 1,850-square foot Big Pink comfortably sleeps nine and features updates like Wi-Fi and limited cable television.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 08:59:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lazy bones

Lazy Bones … a great song from Sweet Potatoes with Amos Garrett. Linked.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 04:59:23 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.141)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

Kevin J: Re discovering Geoff Muldaur, you have many hours of listening pleasure ahead even if you do what I do and limit yourself to his records with Amos Garrett. So, the Butterfield / Better Days albums (my least favourite), the two brilliant Geoff and Maria albums ("Pottery Pie" and "Sweet Potatoes", Geoff's "Having a Wonderful Time" and Geoff and Amos's album on Flying Fish. If you've seen Terry Gilliam's great dystopic film "Brazil", you've heard Geoff singing what the outro tune of the same name - borrowed from "Pottery Pie", a hugely surprising appearance of an obscure gem 15 or so years later.

Gotta say that the last copy of the "Sweet Potatoes" LP I've seen was in a used record shop in the old fish market on the Seattle waterfront during the WTO Battle in Seattle in '98 (I think it was). I'd left my wife in a quiet Starbucks while I nipped over to record-shop; came back 30 minutes later to find most of the seats occupied by tear-gassed protesters with wet rags and paper towels over their eyes.

I'll add that I saw Geoff and Amos (with a stellar local rhythm section ca '77 at the Midwich Coockoo (west side of Jarvis around Shuter). Also first saw former Hawk Eugene Smith (and the Warm-Up Band) there at around the same time. Eugene and the WuB are doing their second annual reunion at Wasaga around now, BTW.

Speaking of local shows, attended the TLW tribute at the CNE last night. Awesome. Paul James, Terry Danko, the Webber Brothers, Jerome Avis drumming like Levon while singing like Levon and, surprisingly, just like Rick on "It Makes No Difference". Oh, and Jimmy Bowskill did a magical "Helpless" with terrific organ backing by Rob Gusevs.


Entered at Tue Sep 1 04:46:33 CEST 2015 from (74.209.23.21)

Posted by:

monty diamond

Location: new york city
Web: My link

Subject: pete seeger comments

Just thought I'd mention that I wholeheartedly agree with your bold comments about Pete Seeger. I'm old friend of Peter Yarrow's and Levon's, and Peter of course revered Pete Seeger, but I always found him preachy and boring, frankly. Can't deny he pushed his agenda, a particularly good one where the Hudson River was concerned, but he bored me. There I've said it!


Entered at Tue Sep 1 04:13:48 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ben, Pat B, Peter V, rozzz and Rod.....Finally I can share the photo that was in my iPhotos of The Band from the same shoot as the one previously posted. This is the photo I took from either Avedon or Vogue's book in Rochester in 2003. Really not sure anymore. Only Garth has food in this photo and Taplin is no where to be found.
Anyway, it turned out not to be the same photo Ben found. So glad that Ben found another one. Way to go Ben!


Entered at Tue Sep 1 02:06:35 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Thanks, David, for the Small Town Talk clip. I saw Geoff Muldaur give a free concert at NY's Lincoln Center circa 2000 or so... he did some great blues material, and (unless memory is playing tricks) a lovely version of Tennessee Blues from the Bobby Charles album. After the show, I asked him about his involvement with that album, as the credits have always been in question... he said that he played just a bit of rhythm guitar on it and not much more. Nice fellow and a very talented musician.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 22:11:00 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Small Town Talk

It's a lovely version of a lovely song - too bad they didn't credit Rick as well as Bobby (although perhaps much more B than R, and Geoff / Amos might well be in a position to know). Lovely voice, too - reminds me a bit of Jesse Winchester somehow. ("Now on tour, the Three Tenors: Danko, Muldaur and Winchester.")

The sentiments in the song apply pretty well to the folks who are internet-enabled to insult others at will . . . you can imagine them out there, scoring imaginary points and giving themselves high-fives . . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 31 22:04:44 CEST 2015 from (24.114.82.245)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Thank you, John D. Good times and always a good day when discovering new music. New to me, at least........Bob Landy is also a new one for me ! I've known and liked Lucky Wilbury and Jack Frost.......funny.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 21:41:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Small Town Talk

Love the live version. I'd say the Geoff Muldaur / Amos Garrett version on "Paul Butterfield's Better Days" is my favorite version of the song.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 21:34:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I have to say that far from getting things from books, David posted because he had and had heard the album. Music. That's what David posts about. Geoff Muldaur would be liked by most Band fans. Many great albums.

i.e. David posted about listening to music, not posting as fantasy invented personalities. Roz, you should get the Chrissie Hynde book. You could invent a whole lot more. We already had "Coach" who had never posted any music comment, just some weird campaign against Pat B. Spare us from another one.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 20:55:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Yes Kevin J that hot piano is played by Bob Landy. Just scramble the last name. Those were the days the record companies wouldn't let you guest on other people's records on a different label.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 20:52:33 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Kevin J

Get very acquainted with Geoff Muldaur. You won't be sorry.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:55:05 CEST 2015 from (94.158.77.173)

Posted by:

roz

what a sad little passed by area of the the internet this place is. I was here about 6 or 7 years ago and the same posters posted then as post now. Intellectuals with no intellect like David Powell and Peter Viney.. only getting things from books. (walks away with head bowed)


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:50:02 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I see The Band with road manager Jonathan Taplin, ca 1970...Sandwiches and Cokes with Taplin photo has been added to the website. Thank you.
I sent you an email Ben. I have a strong feeeeling that we have the other photo from this time.

Again, Scarborough, Toronto's The Weeknd doesn't disappoint.....some say he opted out of reaching the highest note.....smart if not the day to deliver.....instead song is about getting high....I Can't Feeeel My Face....at last night's VMA's and bonus.....Kanye not only proclaims he's running for 2020 Prezz...but gets up and grooves to The Weeknd!


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:39:14 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Geoff Muldaur & Amos Garrett performing "Small Town Talk" live in Japan.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:28:20 CEST 2015 from (24.114.82.245)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I knew that album had been recorded in Massachusetts - just saying !

Actually, while I am well aware of Maria Muldaur, I knew nothing of Geoff.

Todd.......Thank you for the tip on the Big Star doc......Looking forward to watching it...........last call on a rock doc that I have mentioned here in the past....New York Doll - the story of Arthur Kane. Wether you were a fan of the dolls or not , doesn't matter......a superb documentary.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 16:49:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. I read "Recorded at Dimension Sound, Jamaica" and failed to drop my eyes and notice on the next line "Plain, Mass."

The house band at Coxsone Dodd's Studio One in Kingston was the Sound Dimensions which is why my brain leapt immediately to Jamaica … also I'be been doing the Jimmy Cliff and the Bob Marley Toppermosts.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 15:48:57 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Peter: I have that Geoff Muldaur and the Nite Lites album on vinyl (Hannibal 1981). It was recorded at Dimension Sound Studios, located in the Jamaica Plain neighborhood of Boston. It's an entertaining collection of "jump blues" songs sung by Geoff Muldaur, Sarah Brown, Tom Principato and Kaz Kazanoff.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 13:43:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Interesting find on Saturday. Geoff Muldaur & The Nite Lites "I Ain't Drunk", produced by Joe Boyd and recorded in Kingston, Jamaica. I'd never heard of it … it includes Boogie Chillun, Caldonia, Sea Sea (sic) Rider. Had no time to play it, but will this afternoon. One of his rarer albums.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 03:04:45 CEST 2015 from (97.127.82.190)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Hiya Roz, good to hear from you. I dropped out for a while but came back in. What goes around . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 31 01:04:23 CEST 2015 from (93.115.95.204)

Posted by:

roz

I liked Ronnie the first time I ever saw him. He's a performer alright. Is he still with Wanda or has she passed over? I hope she's still here for him. He's a really, really sweet guy.. I met up with him one time. We talked music and boots and he had a Dr. Pepper not a beer... Has anyone here ever travelled the Dark Web? Boy there's some really weird stuff over here. Where's TINY MONSTER ?


Entered at Mon Aug 31 00:49:40 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: ROZ

In your dreams girl! You have some kind of mind. Reminds me of the Hawk. Would love to be a fly on the wall if you two ever got together over a few beers! You two probably know cusswords that no one else has heard. Luv It!


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:51:57 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Hmmmmm....

That's interesting Roz, I'm going to return now to the Planet Earth. I'm not sure where you posted Brown Eyed, but If you want a scan of the Vogue photo just drop me a line at the e-mail I listed.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:41:41 CEST 2015 from (5.9.36.66)

Posted by:

roz

I found a photograph from back then. Everybody looked naked and forlorn.. I mean they were wearing clothes but their faces looked naked, and they looked interalized. Shadows of future.. There's a reason why Mr. Hudson has lived so long.. he was standing there looking like he didn't carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. Levon looked angry. Has anyone read that Donald Clarke book about Billie Holiday called Wishing on the Moon? It's .. real real gone


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:39:38 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

King Biscuit, Washington DC 1976, pristine. Just the OQ. Garth on Ophelia is amazing.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:20:01 CEST 2015 from (185.65.135.226)

Posted by:

roz

Angelina ! My Gosh Girl.. Yeah, I kinda gave up on Skip. He kept leavin me. I been through a lot and the blues ain't heavy enuff for me anymore. I need to be beaten every night like Billie Holiday used to have to be beaten before her shows. It's the numbness ... need escalation.. Which brings me to to BONK ! I remember them E-Mails. They was somethin.. You still like your testicles to be pulled real real real hard? (oh no) I mean, I have to go to the DARK WEB in order to post in The Band's Guestbook.. If I get thrown out again I can never come back.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 19:28:00 CEST 2015 from (65.93.140.73)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hmmmm Ben. Maybe we have the same photo. Could mine have been from Vogue as well? The one I posted today is from the same shoot...........but different poses. Strike a pose you're right Ben. I'll try and post it here or send it to the webmaster and the hard core posters you mentioned (like Pat B and Peter V). They didn't even know about one of the fashionable photos for the Band's legacy. Teasing here.

So shall we split the cost Fred and split again? Thanks for sharing info.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 19:02:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

40 bucks is normal for most pre-1970 Vogue mags. The vintage magazine store in London has them at £25 to £30. But with Vintage magazines it's all down to what's on the cover. Beatles? It rockets. But then I have seen them at £3 or £4 out of London. As ever, if you ant a particular one, the price is high. Oddly, the special issues like Coronations, Jubilees and Royal Weddings aren't worth much. So many people kept them.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 18:47:13 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Strike a pose

Brown Eyed, goofing off in the College Library in the late seventies I used the subject guide (nobody has these anymore, it seems) to discover "Are The Band The Best" in Vogue, Jan 1970. and the Avadon Photo. NOT the one in the book you mentioned or obviously the back cover of Cahoots. I used to bring this up in the guest book from time to time but, as one is apt to have happen when one actually brings up The Band, nobody said anything. Anyway, it is a great shot and someone should get a copy of the magazine and dismantle it so we can scan and archive. The short Goldstein piece isn't bad either. Not surprising that not to many Band fans were paging through Vogue, but there art and music coverage was pretty hip. I am reminded that there were 2 January 1970 issues (ibi weekly I guess), but I did see the one in question on eBay for 40 bucks or best offer. Dealer was over in England... Peter, you want to make him an offer? =)


Entered at Sun Aug 30 11:06:02 CEST 2015 from (153.132.219.109)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Vacation destination?

No access to the basement apparently.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 09:44:54 CEST 2015 from (122.60.111.136)

Posted by:

Rod

BEG, nice to see Garth in the centre of the photo


Entered at Sun Aug 30 06:48:47 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I will try again with the Avedon photo of The Band. This isn't the one I found in Avedon's book so if you found this one great find Ben! The other one doesn't have Taplin in the photo.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 03:45:13 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Link Wray 74

And WTF is that bass player?


Entered at Sun Aug 30 03:43:12 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey rozzzz. How's Skip James?

Ben...Many times when we are in Rochester we always stop by the gift shop in the George Eastman House Museum of International Photography and Film....One time while I was browsing I heard Amy Winehouse for the first time....for some reason I thought I was hearing new music by Adele...lol

Anyway, I was checking out a photo book by Avedon. I photographed one of the photos I found where Garth has food in his hands and Robbie is looking right at the camera and Levon is looking up somewhere and Richard has his fingers near his mouth and Rick is looking a bit to the side. I couldn't find that one online by Avedon so maybe I never shared the photo as I no longer have a scanner? I can't remember anymore as I don't save what I share here......but I found another one online by Avedon. Maybe one of these photos are the same one you recently found? Maybe I can send a copy of the other one to the website here if needed. Taplin is not in the one I have on my iPhotos. On my smartphone I can see the entire photo on it's own but on this burnt out computer I can only show the small photo.....third row third one.

Ok....I was watching every Toronto Raptor game.....since the Price trade I've been watching every Toronto Bluejay game. Just enjoying the ride for now!


Entered at Sun Aug 30 02:47:28 CEST 2015 from (173.165.95.35)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Band tribs

Thanks Bil M, I will check this project out some more. I think the "Endless Highway" tribute is actually pretty good, a couple of clinkers maybe.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 01:59:33 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: ROZ

Hey Roz. What have you got, early alzheimers. I still have the e-mails we sent back and forth. Sheesh! Good to see you here. Thought you might have croaked or something.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 22:00:18 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.9)

Posted by:

Biil M

Al E: Please don't tell me that we now have to apologise for bad puns!

Ben P: I'd say that two are better than the Neil Young on Garth's tribute album - the Mary Margaret O'Hara and the Road Hammers.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:34:04 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

From 3:35 on may be the greatest 35 seconds in rock history.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:29:00 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Subject: What's left?

You know the funny thing is the person Roz describes, these days, would probably vote Republican. Anyway, I was able to get the photo to Terry Danko, who is a very friendly Facebooker and helps keep the memories burning. Not sure if he remembered or had seen it before but I got a "like." I haven't bought all of Garth's "Canadian Tribute" yet but the Neil Young is a must. Anyone else suggest any strong tracks?


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:04:45 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: David P

Great to see your name in here, David. Are you still playing gigs around town? Please email me: carricomi at gmail. Would be good to get together & catch up.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:52:20 CEST 2015 from (77.109.141.138)

Posted by:

roz

I don't think I ever did contact anyone from the GB in all that time I posted and got thrown out and posted and got thrown out and then I got linked and scrammed out.. anyway, Ya'll remember that chilling shot in the film where during the soundstage performance ending ... How evryone just walked away from one another.. Levon just walked out with a vengeance, Robbie kneeled down on the stage and spoke with his cohorts and Richard and Rick walked too. That was one of the most icy, final and saddest shot I ever seen...


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:37:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

roz, contact Ben and have him send you the Avedon photo. You may cry for days.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:25:01 CEST 2015 from (109.163.234.4)

Posted by:

roz

Hey PB.. Good to hear from ya. I was just back there reading that littleinterview with Garth and Maud. As they spoke about Rick I felt all hot in the face and began to cry..Gosh.. what a bunch of beautiful boys. And their fans ain't bad neither !


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:01:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

roz, that was your hand.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 17:23:14 CEST 2015 from (77.109.141.138)

Posted by:

roz

Hey someone post that photo. Hey Ben.. nice to see ya. I ain't right wing no more Ben . I got Rainbow feathers growin out my ass and a plastic dong strap-on in front and one of those militant lesbian haircuts and I don't be wearing no clothes on the streets. It's fun. I don't have a job either so I collect welfare and claim a limp from protests where one hateful copper ran into my leg and busted my kneecap. That's I can get free marijuana, Gabapentin and Lorazapam. And ya'lls right about Brennan He is a tool. I used him once but he bent in the middle and never regained..sort of like Obama


Entered at Sat Aug 29 16:37:54 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: The story of the hare who lost his spectacles

What happened to Jethro Tull Fan? I wanted his take on last years' expanded (and totally ignored) release of "A Passion Play."


Entered at Sat Aug 29 16:15:36 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: While I'm about

If you want your own copy of the Avadon photo and Richard Goldstein blurb about the The Band, you have to hunt down a January 1970 copy of Vogue, difficult but not impossible. Roz, my old right wing pal, the definitive "Last Waltz" spoof will always be SCTV's "Last Polka" which was probably done for Cinemax and was on video but never, I think, DVD. This spoofs the Waltz down to set and camera angles. Many thought there were elements of Waltz ribbing in "Spinal Tap" as well.....


Entered at Sat Aug 29 13:43:25 CEST 2015 from (70.193.168.14)

Posted by:

David P

I haven't read the recent Bert Berns bio, but I do know a little about his background. Having worked as a producer for Atlantic Records, his original partners in the BANG label were Ahmet & Nesuhi Ertegun and Gerald (Jerry) Wexler, the company taking its name from the first letters of their first names. After his death his wife Ilene moved the company here to Atlanta. The label's catalog was later sold to CBS but the family retained the publishing end. So Sony now controls the BANG recordings.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 12:10:55 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach HD

What a tool you are, Brennan.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 07:25:53 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben is correct. The photo is startling as it totally goes against their rather austere image of the time. I for one am thankful he found it and shared it.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 05:05:01 CEST 2015 from (70.194.98.241)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Subject: Hey

Hey I went back and found a Richard Avadon photo of THE BAND from their prime that I don't think any of the hardcore who have been posting for years even knew about ..... HELLO???????????


Entered at Sat Aug 29 01:32:38 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Rhiannon Giddens

Rhiannon does Hank. Just takes your breath away.

Looking forward to remastered Link Wray.

Be good.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 23:53:42 CEST 2015 from (94.242.246.23)

Posted by:

roz

This morning I was caching up on those spoof documentaries with Fred Armison and Bill Hader and as it was going off and mentioning future shows I spied a still with Fred Armison in red light lookin Last Waltz set wearing an expensive lookin wig looking kinda like Fred would look like Robbie. (yeah right) Does anyone know whether they're spoofing TLW next week or later in the season.. I mean, afterall, The Last Waltz WAS a documentary.. mockumentary made-upmentary.. something like that.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 22:54:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brian Rix

Al, as we know, Starting in 1950 (from Wiki):

During the next 18 years, Rix presented more than 90 one-night-only television farces on the BBC. These were often presented at Christmas or on other bank holidays and were hugely popular, with viewing figures regularly topping 15 million. In the early 1960s Rix was the highest paid actor (along with Robert Morley) to appear on BBC TV. Alongside the regulars from his theatre company, Rix appeared in these TV productions with such names as: Dickie Henderson, Dora Bryan, Joan Sims, Ian Carmichael, John Le Mesurier, Robertson Hare, Patrick Cargill, Fabia Drake, Ann Firbank, David Jacobs, Henry Kendall, Sheila Hancock, Warren Mitchell, Thora Hird, Jan Holden, Brian Reece, Muriel Pavlow and Francis Matthews. Only 6 of his 90 farces remain in the BBC archive, however. The earliest were never recorded and many of the latest were wiped along with many other memorable programmes. This may go some way to explain why Brian Rix is so rarely mentioned in retrospective programmes looking at the early days of television.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:45:50 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, the Link Wray set sounds interesting. He is a very underrated artist. I have a couple of live cd's from late on his career and he was a pretty credible singer. I also have a couple of cd's that he cut with rockabilly revivalist Robert Gordon in the late 70's.

Dunc, you should definitely seek out the Big star documentary. It does cover The Box Tops briefly as well as Chilton's solo career and re-formed Big Star. It is pretty amazing what Chilton sounded like at 16 or 17 on the Box Tops material. I remember watching 'American Idol' a few days after Chilton died and one of the contestants sang 'The Letter' which I momentarily thought was done as a tribute to Chilton, but neither the singer nor any of the judges mentioned him afterwards which I thought was pretty cold.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:21:43 CEST 2015 from (109.148.23.96)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Ben and Todd

Alex Chilton had a link with Teenage Fan Club and turned up in Glasgow several times, including recording a session with Teenage Fan Club for Radio Scotland.

I was a big fan of the Box Tops in the sixties and still play the greatest hits regularly.

I bought Big Star's greatest hits. I'll have to return to it.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:14:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Test … having problems getting through.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:00:18 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: You simply wouldn't Adam and Eve it [sorry Bill]

Binter - that's uncanny mate.

Would you believe exactly the same thing happened to me!

It's like a Brian Rix farce!!

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 28 19:36:48 CEST 2015 from (185.17.135.56)

Posted by:

Binter

Web: My link

Once we came across a hoard of bottles in the backyard of one of the bombed houses. Can't remember exactly how much we got but it was enough to buy a packet of wrigleys chewie for each of us. Nirvana.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 19:06:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sherbert fountains to you, Al.

How about Brian Rix live farce from the Whitehall Theatre on Bank Holiday Mondays? One of the TV pleasures of the late 50s and early 60s.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 18:38:00 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Logs on:

Not a single fresh childhood reminscence to be seen

Logs off

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:59:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bert Berns … I must get the bio. See “No Surrender” by Johnny Rogan. The appendices quote Bang contracts. Both Van and Neil Diamond got a £2500 advance. Berns was “connected” and when Diamond tried to leave, a show was “disrupted” and his new manager was badly beaten. Diamond sent his family away, asked for NYPD police protection and got a gun.

Rogan continues that “Van had to get out of town. Literally.” Apparently, there were threats to his immigration status and threats to set up a fake drugs bust. Berns died, but the “wise guys” who had backed him demanded and got $20,000 in cash from Van. He had signed with Warners of his own accord. See pages 221-223. His release cost him 36 songs, which is why he did “Blowin’ Your Mind.”

Rogan says The Berns Estate later sued Van for all the songs written between March 1967 and March 1972.

I guess that's why he writes songs like Big Time Operator.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:36:58 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, did you read the recent Bert Berns bio? Awfully good.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:07:56 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The Stones That I Throw'

Not that it is a major issue, but I wrote to both Sebastian and to Robbie Robertson at their Facebook site to ask if Robbie could confirm that my memory was correct. The question was if "The Stones That I Throw" was ever played on stage (my recollection - Am I imagining this?) was that Levon and the Hawks were on stage alone at Massey Hall before Bob Dylan came out on 15 Nov. 1965 and played this song. To date, I have not received a response. I also have asked Garth Hudson at his site to see if he recalls this. A small question, but one that to me (and maybe one or two others) might be relevant. Its more for my reassurance of my memory but also would be (in my view) an important piece of concert information. John D. confirms that it was NOT played the night before at Massey Hall.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 16:12:15 CEST 2015 from (70.193.168.14)

Posted by:

David P

So did Warner buy out Van's contract with Bert Berns and in return, to offset the expense, retained the rights to his early WB albums? Another Last Waltz guest, Neil Diamond, also recorded for Berns' Bang label early in his career.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 15:34:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Link Wray

One of the very greatest Americana albums ever. Just listening. Remastering is SO good it's a veil lifted, as the old ads for CD used to say.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 14:38:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Ben. Not up on amazon.co.uk yet. Hope it's not market-restricted.

This Friday release day works well with amazon pre-orders. Here on the day of issue. The one I'm itching to unwrap is "Three Track Shack" from Ace. It's a further remaster of Link Wray (Link Wray / Mordecai Jones / Beans and Fatback) but differs including the whole of Mordecai Jones and Beans and Fatback. Ace Records, as is London-American Year By Year 1966, and Reaching Out: Chess Records at Fame Studios. Three new ACE albums!


Entered at Fri Aug 28 14:07:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, In my opinion, the biggest Van news is that expanded versions of 'Astral Weeks' and 'His Band and the streetchoir' were just announced for October release. The listings are up on amazon already. 'Astral Weeks' will include long versions of 'Ballerina' and 'Slim Slow Slider'

Regarding the bulk if Van's catalog that is being reissued on Sony, I'll take a bit of "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. I recall that parts of Van's catalog was remastered and expanded with bonus tracks about 10 or 15 years ago and an additional batch of titles which I believe included 'St. Dominic's Preview' was announced and never appeared.

Todd, I also watched the Big Star documentary recently. It was well done, but I was a little disappointed that there was no performance footage of Big Star from the 70's. Alex Chilton was a fascinating person who left quite a catalog of music to explore.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 12:48:06 CEST 2015 from (83.249.165.104)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Rockin Chair

No wonder Jeff A had his thoughts about RockinChair/Westcoaster's identity. I have - just for fun and interest - tried to find the position of ships in anti-collision system for vessels at sea and AIS vessel tracking system of marine traffic. Unfortunately, I have not found neither Westcoaster or Rockin Chair. The most obvious reason is that you don't have a responder. In case you have turned it off accidently or it does not work consider yourself as a lucky man because someone from other side of the globe is telling you this. - And the best of all: you can always find your own tug by using this system if you should have forgotten where you left it after your birthday party.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 08:52:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beatles vinyl

Might give it a whirl, Todd. Like The Band vinyl, I was delighted to see the release, but I had bought it all when it was new anyway, so have original pressings. But I also had a Dansette auto changer record player (£25) in those days with a heavy arm (though I always looked after records well). The Band was when I switched to a Garrard reasonable deck, and anyway I got extra copies of the first two later.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 06:00:14 CEST 2015 from (32.216.248.152)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Beatles Vinyl

By the way, the Beatles vinyl that I referred to in my previous post, is the recent reissue project from 2014. These are the mono vinyl mastered from the original tapes using an all analog process. Really nice clean quiet and full bodied sound. Highly reccomended for any fans of Beatles mono vinyl.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 05:35:37 CEST 2015 from (32.216.248.152)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: This and That

Been out of the loop for quite a while now.

Kevin J., no worries. Didn't get mugged after my Last Waltz vieiwing earlier this Summer. Just busy and distracted by other things. Always better to see TLW in a theater on a big screen with a good sound system. My second time so far. Time well spent.

After the Rolling Stones/Brian Jones conversation a while back, I wanted to learn more about Brian, and the formation of the Stones and I spent some time reading the book, 'Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones' by Paul Trynka. Quite interesting, and filled in quite a few gaps in my knowledge of the early days. I'm currently re-reading a Keith Richards bio by Victor Bokris. Interesting to get a somewhat different slant on many of the same events.

One interesting revelation from the Trynka book, is that 'Ruby Tuesday' was largely composed by Jones and Richards, yet credit for the song was ultimately tagged with the Jagger-Richards brand. Hmmmm

Other things I've been doing is watching the Ginger Baker documentary that Kevin J. has rccomended on more than one occasion. Very interesting, and got me listening to Cream again with a fresh perspective. Also watched a documentary on Big Star titled 'Nothing Can Hurt Me'. Have also been listening to a lot of Beatles music on some recent vinyl reissues that I picked up. Wondeful stuff!

Spent a week at the Outer Banks in North Carolina, and another week on Cape Cod in Massachusettes. Nothing clears out the cobwebs for me better than floating in the Atlantic Ocean.....in between the various Shark sightings. Saw a seal get attacked and killed by a Great White just 15 yards offshore from where we had spent the afternoon at the beach. Very sobering moment, and they temporarily closed the beach for swimming, but we were back in the water the next day....with our shark goggles on. Carpe Diem!

Happy Birthday to Norm, and I don't mean to nitpick or pile on, but I noticed the other day when the movie 'The Gangs of New York' was mentioned, that you referred to "The 5 Points" as being the 5 areas of NYC, by which I assume you meant the 5 Bouroughs that make up NYC. The 5 points referred to in the movie, was actually a notorious slum in lower Manhattan, where the movie was set. There were three roads that intersected, and made up the 5 points area. The area has long since been reconfigured, to the point where the 5 points doesn't really exist anymore.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 04:43:36 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

Peter V: Thanks for the link to Family's "Burlesque". I was surprised that some of it sounded familiar, so I guess I must've heard it on FM radio back in the day. I had their first LP for awhile in the mid-'70s (when my college radio station sold its LPs for a nickel each), but didn't care for it. But "Burlesque" is terrific. Reminds me of long-running local band Leigh Ashford - whose only hit is at link. The bassist introduced me to his (still) close friend Peter Traynor (Robbie Robertson's boyhood chum and bandmate) in the late '70s, which was exciting for me at the time. And the keyboardist was from my highschool.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 02:35:38 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.139)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ian, when you discuss young people, and mobility/ freedom that means 14, 15, as you were, even means 10,-13. and 16, 17, maybe more depending upon income class of the kid or the family, definitely, on the whole, they have infinitely less mobility and freedom. You were a lucky 14, 15 year old, that's damn sure...

Norm, have a safe Birth / Labor Day. Don't drown, please. You're touched at my concern? Well, we have some communicating to do. I'm beat, way too tired to think straight to write correctly, and the next few days are full. Your"potted" history as Al referred to it is very inaccurate. I'll clear it up some.

Through the "soda break" i was determined not to go back pedal through the posts. I saw no need, especially cause once you engaged , it was clear you were drunk, enraged and looking for a battle- while for the most part i was trying to avoid one. Yet it was very clear you were gonna have yours...Right after you bugged out, i wrote you that if you asked me to explain why you should apologize to yourself i would. Well, you never asked me outright. But you did ask with your behavior.

When i respond to you next, i'll attempt to make it as simple as possible. It should be pretty easy, cause a good part, in fact the thrust of the rebuttle to your main argument in the "soda break" and even your words to Mike Nomad, well, it was written by you. .

Believe me, i'd much prefer that none of this was necessary. and so far after, it's rather ridiculous. But either i walk, without answering you on the subject, or i do. And you have an opportunity. Stay safe, cause you are on the verge of a major breakthrough. Possibly a new age - you have an opportunity to add some extra dimension to your final stage, well hopefully quarter of life. In all sincerity, when it comes round, try not to fuck this up. And consider that words,even sentences, even paragraphs, can often mean very different things depending upon how you look at them, or even how you don't look at them.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 01:24:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van

I'm not sure that the issue with TLW is that it's Warner. It came later. The issue with the earlier Warner albums was not with Warner itself so much as with the Bert Berns Estate and that he had to give them total ownership of those albums. They happen to be tied in to Warner, but I wouldn't think TLW was part of the problematic deal. I believe he did have issues with Warner over reissuing etc, but the Berns deal is the root issue.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 01:08:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van Morrison

David: It’s ironic when you think of the introduction of 45 rpm records v 33 rpm records it was considered a Columbia (33) v RCA (45) war. And now they’re all Sony. There are similar conglomerate ironies, but that's the biggest one.

The Van M. De Luxe Legacy editions seem odd choices … Hard Nose The Highway? Enlightenment? Hard Nose The Highway was considered by critics to be his weakest album (though I guess a couple or three others have been weaker since). It’s worth having just for Warm Love, but Side Two might be his worst LP side. It’s Too Late To Stop Now and St Dominic’s Preview are fantastic though. When “Wavelength” got fans to vote at one point, Beautiful Vision was the surprise first choice.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 22:35:45 CEST 2015 from (74.71.56.97)

Posted by:

Ari

Location: Flatbush

Subject: Joan

A fellow Mets fan! My grandmother has been waiting for years! So cool you know the pitching coach. Maybe this year we can hope for more than just a Buckner. Well, actually, we'll take anything at this point. - Ari.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 20:51:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Tupelo Honey

WB David.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 20:38:49 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David p

I overlooked it before but notice that "Tupelo Honey" (released in 1971) is not listed as part of Van's new deal with Sony. Is it also owned by Warner?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:49:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Various (all non-Band)

I have kept a watching brief in here of late, as I’ve been largely elsewhere engaged, and there have been some interesting topics.

I used to live not far from “LAP” (as “London Air Port” was then called, now Heathrow) and I, too, paid many a visit to the roof gardens at the Queen’s Building and the next door terminal building. This was mainly in the late-1950s but a bit in the very early-1960s. Where I lived, where so many people worked at LAP or in businesses associated with it, you were either interested in aviation or not.

Peter V mentioned working as a postman at Christmas. I did that for four years. In the other school holidays, though, it was LAP. I worked several times at the cafés on the roof gardens at the airport, so may have served you, Peter. One stint was when the Rolling Stones’ “Come On” was released, so the summer of 1963.

Another time, I worked on the North Side of the airport,mainly the cargo area by then, for an import-export company that handled the products of Phillips in Holland.

Yet another summer, I worked for BOAC inside their main hangars, in an office overlooking the aircraft and their maintenance crews. In those days, aircraft didn’t fly the long distances they do today, so they stopped off en route to re-fuel. The job was to calculate the fuel costs for each leg of a flight and thus the total for the whole journey.

Rhyming slang: I have never heard the suggested rhymes for “parky” before. While rhyming slang usually involves dropping the word that provides the rhyme, that is not always so. “Brown bread” (meaning “dead”), for example, is always expressed in full: “You’ll be brown bread if you do that”. It is never shortened to just “brown”. On the other hand, “toast”, meaning much the same, is always just expressed as “toast” and that may be because “toast” is a synonym for “brown bread”. Does that seem right?

Street play and more: I was brought up on two council estates (social housing). We kids played in the streets constantly, mostly soccer (which we called "footer" more than “footie”, I seem to recall). Sometimes we went off to the local “rec” (see one of Peter V’s previous posts) but mostly it was street play. And we got to wander away from where we lived a lot, too, say up to a couple of miles or so. As we got older, we were able to roam even more widely, at first on our bicycles (sometimes 10 miles or more away, occasionally over 20 miles from home). Later still, using bus passes for the day (Red Rovers and Green Rovers) we travelled all over.

My mother worked for an airline that offered travel at staff rates (as long as there was a spare seat on the plane) - and as often as I could afford it on my pocket money and cash for other jobs. At the age of 14 (almost 15 but actually still 14) I flew to Paris for the day on my own. Five months later, now 15, I flew up to Glasgow for a weekend on my own, sleeping the night in the airport terminal (it's wonderful what a return air ticket will do for an inquisitive policeman) and, still 15, to Amsterdam on my own for the day.

My point here is not to boast but to say that nowadays, despite greater affluence and the ability to keep in touch with mobile phones, young people seem not to have the same degree of freedom. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way it seems to me.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:20:54 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Strike a pose!

Well, I always meant to do it and now I have. I went back and found the Jan 1970 issue of Vogue and Richard Alvedon's photo (different shot than Cahoots or the one in his collection of Rock Stars Photos book) with Richard Goldstein's little blurb about the group. It is taken from a library stack book and stretches to two pages, so the scan I have is highly flawed. To get a good one you would need your own copy of the mag that you could take apart (difficult to find, not impossible.) Email me and I'll send you one, it's still kind of neat. lovenstein22@gmail.com


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:18:33 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mike Nomad, that is a great memory.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:13:56 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Sir George Ivan Morrison

Rubbing salt in the wound, Warner also controls the rights to Van's Last Waltz recording of "Caravan" with The Band. However, there is another excellent live version on "It's Too Late To Stop Now," which is part of the new Sony deal. That album, along with "Saint Dominic's Preview," "Hard Nose Highway," and "Enlightenment," are slated to get the Deluxe Edition treatment by Legacy, raising the possibility of the inclusion of bonus material.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:12:02 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

First of all I'd like to wish Norm a very happy birthday we old folks have to stick together.

I'm a Mets fan which has been agony for the last few years, but this year it looks like a really got it together. It's exciting. A friend of ours is the pitching coach for the Mets


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:08:22 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Overload

Jerry when I lived in Langley in the 80's. Jordie was 12 and in hockey, soccer and base ball. Craig was 5 and first year hockey. There would come the time in the spring when Jordie would be involved in all three sports as the hockey season was ending. Soccer was winding down and base ball was getting into full swing.......FULL SWING! YIKES.

I was running myself ragged. I will never forget Craig's start in hockey. I was helping coach. If anyone was in Craig's way he'd grab hold of them and pull them down. I would tell him Craig! you can't do that. So this 5 year old looks at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Well he's in my way!" :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 18:48:16 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Fergie

Still remember the night at an Erieau, Ont., cottage party back in the eighties when Fergie shared some of his weed with me. A very quiet, gracious man. He signed a baseball for my kid when he was with . . . Boston? . . . at Tiger Stadium.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 18:16:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Vic

Subject: Pop again (this time, pop up flies)

Kids: Norm and all: I got my boys (2) going when they were 4 or 5: hockey sticks and baseball gloves for both and to the field or ball hockey area daily when possible to learn to catch and to stickhandle and shoot. Those were great times. What a thrill, especially, to see the boys catch high fly balls after so much effort.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:43:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Fergie was also a confirmed pothead which in those days raised his estimation in my eyes.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:41:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, we're--sorry, I mean the Hawks--are going to have three Russians this year too.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:34:56 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Justin Morneau

A really good BC boy and what a record!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:30:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hawks

Pat I'm sure you must know. The Hawks have more Canadian players than any other NHL team, and in fact, more from BC.

Jerry I may have told you about this boy before. My youngest brother Lorne's wife's older sister's son......is Justin Morneau. You probably know who he plays for and his stats. When he was a kid he would at times be visiting his aunt Debbie, my brothers wife. Lorne and I may be trying to play music and kick Justin out of the way. Have you seen the size of that boy now? My god!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:26:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Ferguson Jenkins: Canada's star baseball player when there were none

Da Cubs: Time to remember Chatham, Ontario's own Ferguson Jenkins: Cy Young : 20 game winner 8 times:Baseball Hall of Fame. How did a Canadian do this? Talent and practice. That's how you get to 'Carnegie Hall'.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:20:08 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Van the Man

Van Morrison licensed the rights to those albums to Sony through his Exile Productions Ltd. Haven't seen any information as to the length of the licensing deal. He recently released his Duets album on RCA, which is part of Sony nowadays.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:20:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

JT, no problem, since my love of Chicago sports extends to the Cubs and Sox (sorry Coach SD, I know I have nothing to do with them). With Kane's problems, we're lucky to have the world's most exciting young team right here in Wrigley Field.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:19:18 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The best of times

All this sports talk, and the local childhood games, (childhood it seems is prolonged in many of us when it comes to street hockey and ball.)

But did you guys ever do this. With both my sons. Just standing in the yard sometimes for more than an hour throwing a baseball or football back and forth. Playing catch, a time to talk, or at the field kicking a soccer ball into the goal. Some of the conversations were the best of times.

We never had any of the great adventures like, "Stand By Me".


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:10:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Neighbours

Pat B: Maybe it'll stop but check the score sheets for NYY and TBJ for the past 20 games. I'm a big NYY fan (always have been) but their directions in the past week or two have been opposite. If the Jays go down (and in baseball anything can happen), I'll be right there behind the Bronx bombers. For now, its a great ride. And by the way, check out those Mets. Its fun for a Canadian to watch baseball succeed in at least 1 city. We're putting massive people into the stands everywhere and TV ratings have never been higher. And again, David Price and Josh Donaldson! Wow! And David P: you can talk hockey all you want, even from the USA. Its OK. Sharing is good.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:10:13 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: stars &STARS

I agree with you about Phil Kessel Jerry. I think all you saw in that guys face the last couple of years was frustration. I also agree with your take on Mike Babcock & company. It should be a very different show now.

What I'm looking forward to seeing is how Kessel and Crosby get along. That maybe that horse of a different colour.

I'm glad you cleared that up Mike. I was trying to figure out how you arrived at 2 for 0. I even tried using a pencil :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:06:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Three for 3

Actually, Kevin is 3/3. 1) journalist 2) Expos were important to Canada 3) bad decision by Jays


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:05:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

A bunch of Canadians discussing baseball. If you live long enough...

Sadavid already posted this but I thought it deserved a second mention. A superb copy of the Palladium 76 show, a stunning reminder of the might of the OQ.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:03:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Exposition/ Canada's maybe 'other team' someday

Kevin J: yes, hopefully we will get a Montreal team back again. Can Montreal fans support baseball?

There was much more to 'contraction' but I would have preferred the Blue Jays to have supported Expos at that time. But it wouldn't have mattered. As you know, executive decisions are usually made before voting ever occurs. Its a messy business whenever dollars and income dictates.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:02:14 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

And by two for 0, I of course mean two for two.

Another coffee, please.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:59:37 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

You're batting two for 0 with me, Kevin: on the uncontested Trump eviction of the Hispanic journalist and the so-called "Canada's team." Good calls.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:59:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The future looks bright: I gotta wear shades'

So, Norm, now you've done it. I'll get it from all sides (Kevin, Landmark and many others but that's what you get when you support the Leafs). So, here goes...

You are correct, Norm. Leadership has been a problem, from the old guard of the 70s (you know who they were) to who currently ran the show. But now we have Mike Babcock and Lou from New Jersey running the ship. Larry and the braintrust have finally figured out that leadership at the top had to change and with that change has come a 5 year plan that will ultimately lead to success. My only criticism; sending Phil Kessel away. We are in the minority on this one. Most hockey pundits dislike his approach. My answer to that is that there are maybe 5 players in the entire NHL that can do the one thing that Kessel could do .... score goals. Yes, his +/- was a big problem and for serious hockey analysts who look at stats, this is a big issue. But good leadership and coaching can find ways to use such a player to the team's best advantage. Watch. Wessel the Penguin will come back to bite the Leafs. He's got 5 years and 200 goals still left in him and with the right leadership, he will be an all star. Why could they not wait 1 year to see what he could do with the new leadership? What underlies this (in my view) bad decision. Nevertheless, I look forward to some increasingly good years in Toronto hockey.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:56:36 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Expos

That is quite true Kevin, you must have seen recently tho' they are looking very seriously at reviving that franchise.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:52:03 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Blue Jays - Not Canada's Team

Long forgotten by most but not me.......Major League Baseball took a vote for contraction a decade and a half ago.....the Blue Jays - self appointed "Canada's team" could have abstained. They didn't.....they voted YES to contraction of the Montreal Expos.....the very team that paved the way or an international presence in MLB and was a massive influence on baseball in Canada and the Blue Jays. Never to be forgotten.....Not Canada's team even if a Montreal kid ( who got his start with the Expos ) has built it.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:45:36 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The bull pen

I meant to say in that last post, the bull pen is pretty damn scary this year. I'd like to see them win for the fans in Toronto. They have stuck by those Leafs for so long they deserve some kind of show for their money. Tickets to these sports aren't cheap.

It sure seems to me that the Maple Leafs management has been at fault a lot the way they have let that team slip. The costs to fans in these sports really are out of line to pay these young people their huge salaries.

About 1997 98 I managed a small tow boat outfit in Courtenay. The sawmill that we towed logs to had season tickets to the Vancouver Grizzlies basket ball games. A couple of times when no one was able to go I was offered the tickets. I had 4 tickets so I took my two youngest, Craig & Amanda and a friend of Craig's. The first time we went Craig looked at these tickets and said wow Dad do you know what you got here. I say tickets I don't know. He says Dad these are "Club Seats" well......you come into under ground parking that is reserved. You come up through private passage ways not for the general public into the best mid court seats. I found out what they were worth. $200 a ticket which included the parking and access to the private lounge. So with ferry fares, the tickets and a bit of food for the kids and a couple of beer that is over a thousand bucks!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:22:42 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Blue Jay Way

We're in Vic right now; watch the games every afternoon or evening after work. Won't see todays - its at 10:30 AM (afternoon game in Texas). David Price is a surgeon on the mound. His approach is infectious. The pitchers are all incisive and accurate and the bullpen is superb. The lineup is incredible. Canada's team has a shot this year. Unlikely to see any games live in Toronto as our schedules are at odds with that likelihood this year. I used to have 1/4 seasons tickets 20 years ago but those went when I moved part time (most of the time as it is now) to Vic.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:47:28 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Jays

Where are you right now Jerry? There is one reason I could go to Toronto, to watch a game. Maybe a chance in Seattle. In the 80's when I lived in Langley a buddy of mine, Stu Kehoe was manager of the Vancouver Canadians. We used to get down to games at Nat Bailey stadium quite often. I love ball games.

Saw the Lions at BC Place a few times.

Thanks for the wishes my friends

The comments about bottle pickers. That goes on out here all the time. Around the docks in Port Hardy local natives are always scrounging bottles to get a cheap bottle of wine. However out on the highways like driving down the highway to Campbell River there are a lot of senoirs out on the road with their high viz vests on collecting cans and bottles.

There is a guy who lives here in Port Alice, he is a millionaire. You never see that guy go by a can or bottle without throwing it in the back of his truck. I don't have much to do with this guy. A friend told me a while back that this guy took his wife on a holiday to Hawaii with the money he made from collecting cans & bottles.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:19:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: For he's a jolly good fellow/Jays

How about Canada's team, Toronto Blue Jays, hanging out at the top and slaughtering all foes with a lineup that is feared and a player that may be MVP.

Happy birthday, Norm. Many more as you enjoy all that is Norm.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:10:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Chief

No excitement in my childhood Al from the age of about 9 to 13 we lived on ten acres in the Fraser Valley. We had very big gardens for our food. I was made to weed and cultivate them. I had a paper route delivering news papers that covered about 8 miles. I had one old lady I cut firewood for and two other places I moved lawns. That's how I made my living.

The last customer on my paper route was a young man with a couple of small kids. He had a very big dog there. Chief wasn't his. The owners had to move into an apartment where they weren't allowed pets so left the dog with these folks. They didn't really want him. Well Chief took to me. I was 10 at the time.

One day when I delivered the paper I was in a hurry as I had a ball game to play. It was a ride of about 6 miles on my bike. I'm pedaling like hell up the road and I hear click,click,click behind me. I turn around and there is Chief right behind me. I was frustrated. I take him back and the man says to me, Norm you take that dog with. I will talk to the owners he belongs with you. I took him with me kind of worried I was going to catch hell for this. As soon as my mum saw him Chief was mine. He never left me until I was 24. He got rheumatism in his back end so bad he couldn't stand and I had to have him put down.

Chief was a Scotch collie nearly all white with a brown patch on one side and a brown head. When I was 15 my old man made me get out to work. So out to the logging camps I went. One day my younger brother said to my mum. Mum do you know that Chief goes over every day to meet the school bus waiting to see Norm get off. He was definitely this man's best friend.

We never played ball or hockey in the streets. We lived right across the road from the elementary school. When ever we had time in the evening most guys in the area showed up at the ball field. We played a ball game called "scrub". 2 or 3 guys at bat. When one was put out he went to the field. Everyone in the filed moved up one place. So in a rotation everyone got a turn at bat that way.

As small kids our evening game was "kick the can". One guy was "it". A jam can was placed in a certain location. Every one hid when the guy or girl who was "it" found one of us you had to run and kick the can before the it person did. If you weren't successful you are now it.

However as kids when we lived near the beach we sure were into building rafts out of drift wood and being sailors awright.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 14:42:36 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: next-to-last waltz

Or, anyway, a couple of months prior . . . link is to an MP3 set of The Band with the Howard Johnson horns taped from a WBCN-FM broadcast 18 September 76.

I've only sampled, but it all seems pretty _con brio_, a high-spirited, fully caffeinated event. Too much cocola, maybe. It was probably a mistake to take "Twilight" so briskly; it doesn't really cut it as an advertising jingle, but it's an interesting experiment . . . .


Entered at Thu Aug 27 13:18:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We still had the rag 'n' bone man in the late 50s … and like Steptoe and Son with a horse and cart. I also remember that at youth club in the 60s, they'd send us out knocking on doors looking for old newspapers for church funds. We'd collect a mountain of them and they must have got money for them. Hmm, makes me think. Maybe I should be charging the council for collecting my "blue bin" (recyclable paper and glass) rather than them charging me rates.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 12:18:03 CEST 2015 from (109.148.23.96)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: A preacher on an orange crate

Solomon, Peter and Al. That was the big news last week, you'll not be allowed to take empty irn bru bottles back to the shop soon to get the depost money.

As a child, I used to love if somebody gave me some empty bottles to take back to the shop or old clothes to take to the 'Raggy'.

We used to have a guy who came by our house shouting, 'Any old beer bottles ladies please?' hoping to collect enough bottles to get money for drink for that evening. Times of poverty.

Band link. I love 'Rags and Bones'. With all of this talk of streets, Robbie captures the feel of a city brilliantly in this song.

This is a masterpiece. Brilliant music, brilliant musicians. Defining guitar playing by Robbie. I'm not a musician, but I know it is Robbie playing...playing brilliantly. And the way the music comes together is brilliant, I can't describe this excellence in musical terms.

And, dare I say it, could Ray Charles sing as well as Richard?

Brilliant images in the lyrics. One of the great Band songs. It's the sixties in Toronto?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 11:14:45 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The farthing

Am I right that the farthing had a wren on the tail face Pete?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 11:10:30 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The last resort of the farthing.

Yes, black jacks and fruit salad. A farthing each. In 1960 they had to switch to four for a penny when the farthing went, but you could still buy two for a halfpenny. These were "chews" - like hard toffee. Ruined my teeth on them.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:44:00 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Four for a penny!!

Spot on.

Also I seem to recall similar ones to black jacks in wrappers called fruit salads???


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:42:33 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Wow -

I'm impressed.

A proverbial goldmine that Pete.

We could also get a free portion of chips - a fourpennyworth - if we took a stack of newspapers back to the fish 'n' chip shop. Imagine the hygiene issues with that now!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:21:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We crossed in the ether, Al. Thanks for confirming it was 3d. That's what I'd remembered. You will recall that 3d is TWELVE Black Jacks.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:18:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Deposits on empties

Most IrnBru is in plastic or cans now. As we’re on nostalgia, in the 1950s I spent my summers with my cousin who lived near Heathrow airport. In those days there was a large deposit on all glass bottles (3d, or three old pence, I think). People always took them back to the shop. My cousin and I spent many afternoons at Heathrow, watching the planes from the roof of the Queens Building. (And yes we collected registration numbers and ticked them off in a book you could buy). For some reason, people at Heathrow never took bottles back, just left them on the roof. We used to collect them and take them back, and when they declined to pay our 3d anymore we used to carry about twelve empties each back to Hounslow in rucksacks (where he lived) and cashed them in. The shops didn’t care … they were credited for the returns, but tended to insist we spend it there in the shop. As they were all sweet shops, that’s why I got fat and spotty in my early teens.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:11:20 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pop bottles

Solomon - another great memory triggered - hard to believe it but we used to get a threepenny bit for every returned bottle.

Once we came across a hoard of bottles in the backyard of one of the bombed houses. Can't remember exactly how much we got but it was enough to buy a packet of wrigleys chewie for each of us. Nirvana.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:47:02 CEST 2015 from (92.18.176.146)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Sky Arts - Classic Albums and Ain't In It For My Health

This morning on Sky Arts starting at 9:30 am - The Band toured with Bob Dylan and achieved great success in the 60s and 70s. Follow the story behind the Canadian group's classic self-titled album. Then after that it's Levon Helm: Ain't In It For My Health. Jacob Hatley's intimate documentary follows Levon Helm, founding member of influential roots rock group The Band, as he creates his first studio album in 25 years.

Both are well worth another watch on a cold and wet morning.

Dunc - I was reading you can't take those iconic Irn-Bru empty bottles back after December 31 2015. It was such a great thing taking the empty ginger bottles back to the shop.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:38:53 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Bit deflated here

Just saw the title of your post Norm - a little bit of history - and got excited, thinking I was in for a real treat about your childhood adventures and games on that incredible West Coast of yours.

Instead it was a potted summation of your GB history. What a bummer.

Fer fecks sake Norm - we need the real stuff. Not all the boring internet shite. You're our very own Huck Finn!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:00:09 CEST 2015 from (122.60.111.136)

Posted by:

Rod

A store down town now has the full set of the OQs Capitol vinyl releases (actually I didn't see Cahoots). Made me feel all nostalgic. I only kept my original pressings so might buy a couple to hang on the wall


Entered at Thu Aug 27 08:50:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Happy birthday, Norm. In another dimension, we could all be in Belfast on Monday watching Van and drinking IrnBru.

On Donald Trump, seek out the Selina Scott piece in the Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago. BBC piece on Selina's article liked - the original article is subscriber only, but essential knowledge.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 08:10:24 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.......so, you'll have a straw with that lolly ice, will ya ! ......anyone else care about Hiawatha and the Peacemaker ? Of course not.....be a man, a true man and build a fence......jumping Jesus !

sadavid: great to hear that news...truly, makes me feel good.

.........and, shame - ever lasting shame - on every one of those journalists who "sat by" and watched Jorge Ramos roughed up and escorted out of Trump's new conference yesterday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 07:43:01 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, Jeff really thought you were Steve pretending to be you? That's really funny. Happy Birthday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 05:53:50 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

By tomorrow, I mean Saturday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 05:27:07 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

It's been a long day, Norm, and you seem like a swell fellow. Happy birthday to you. Hope you have a great day tomorrow out on the water.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 04:43:44 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: ooouuuh........oh my! a little history

To begin with, it has always seemed to me to be pretty disrespectful to use this man's web sight dedicated to such a fine band and legacy for petty bickering and useless disagreements. Yes, I've been guilty with this nonsense.

The "history". I think it was about the year 2000 that I came across this site, (being a life long fan of "THE BAND". I can remember the first time I posted here. There was a fellow named John. He lived in New York. Some one had used the word "Canuck". He took great offence to this. He said his grand father was from Montreal, and if anyone called him a Canuck there would be a fight. I didn't understand this at the time which prompted me to post. I put up the page of "Johnny Canuck" who in Canada is like Uncle Sam stateside. Well it was a learning. Johnny Canuck is an English mascot which the French never would allude to.

So now I'm posting on the Band Guestbook. Back then there was Rosalind, Abby, a lady from Kentucky, Jojo a lady from California that I exchanged music with and so many more. The first person I had a conversation with was Paul Godfrey, a wonderful man. We discussed Don Gibson. Paul, Jeff, Knockin Lost John, and Steve Heggison, sadly we lost.

Now I'm not sure who began posting here first. At that time, Jeff called himself, "Put'em up Jeff" very appropriately. It seems to this day confrontation is what he thrives on. Way back then, I was e mailed by another poster in New York who told me. "Jeff doesn't believe you are who you are. He thinks you and Steve are the same person." Hunh? well Jeff called me an out and out "liar" back then. I tried to get past this and be friends.

Jeff had done some work with Johnny Johnson, I saw pictures of them together. I commended Jeff for the work he had done. He was some what taken aback that I would be nice to him. I was genuine. This same poster e mailed me and said, "Be careful, you'll think you're getting to be friends and he'll turn on you. That is just what happened.

I have no animosity toward Jeff. If we can't have a friendly relationship, then I'd be happy if he just went his own way, said what he had to say and had a happy life.

Most resently just a few days back Peter said something, I don't remember what it was and I'm sure not going to search it out. Anyway Jeff came down on him with both feet. Just yesterday or so, Joan spoke of some of her child hood recollections. Jeff had to correct her as if she didn't know what she was talking about. Well I've been friends with Joan for a long time. I know she is older than Jeff, and she knows where of she speaks. I would be happy if he treated her with more respect. That is something he seems to lack.

I doubt that Mike will find Jeff's comments pertaining to "manhood" as to whether you call some gawd damn soft drink soda or pop. It's embarrassing even discussing something so gawd damn feeble. I got one question, if a "popsicle is made of soda, how come it isn't called a sodacle???" gawd gawd gawd.......how fucking lame can this get.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 03:10:33 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Quoting Norm: "Norm Jones will celebrate his 71st birthday August 29/2015 by going out on the tug and moving a load of road building equipment :-)"

Norm, is this the voiceover for a Irn Bru commercial, a Viagra commercial, a Depends commercial, or did you hit the trifecta & sign 3 in one?

I gotta wake up at 4 AM, & will be gone all day. So have all the fun you want, I won't even be able to look & laugh for a good while. But I do hope the commercial shoots are a success, if that or something similar is not what that announcement is about, I can't help but think people might think you insecure.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:33:06 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Manhood

Shake your head Mike, you obviously didn't see the comment that that was directed to. So make your evaluation when you know what you are talking about.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:28:18 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

. . . or questioning a poster's manhood.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:23:23 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OK John

Norm Jones will celebrate his 71st birthday August 29/2015 by going out on the tug and moving a load of road building equipment :-)

Nice to see the return of some music discussion as a few days ago, instead of spending days making serious decisions as to whether soft drinks should be called pop or soda (:-


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:41:00 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: More on Van

"Van Morrison will celebrate his 70th birthday on August 31, 2015 with "Van Morrison: Live on Cyprus Avenue," two concert performances serving as part of the closing event of the Belfast EastSide Arts Festival 2015."


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:03:38 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Road Hockey

OK, now you've done it. I played road hockey every day from the beginning of hockey season until the end of the playoffs in all my free hours. At our public school, the lower windows in the upper schoolyard were covered with a protective metal 'netting' which was the exact width of a proper goal. The other end was the school fence and we would make an equivalent width for that goal. (There were no store bought nets in those days).

It would not matter how cold it was, how much snow there was etc--the game was always on. There were always enough people to play a decent game. And yes, always a tennis ball. You could really wrist or slap a tennis ball hard. We used to count goals and assists and compare. There was a code of honour. There was little fighting.

When I got older and had kids, I took them to play road hockey with the adults once they were over 12. (the 80s and early 90s). There was a game every Sunday at a school yard in Thornhill north of Toronto. (I quit after I separated my shoulder after a game)

Only baseball interrupted road hockey. The commitment to road hockey was the greatest. I loved that game!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:01:21 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I hate this. A number of KC sites--including the box set Frame By Frame--claim that KC opened for The Band on that date in that place. But Fripp's diary says they opened for the Airplane on that date in that place as does a site dedicated to the East Town Theater. So who knows?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 00:25:53 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

King Crimson opened for The Band November 12, 1969 at the East Town Theater in Detroit.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 00:08:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

The accompanying CD set on Sony's "The Essential …" series also out Friday has 37 tracks and includes Them material … Gloria and Here Comes The Night. The Essential set does include Warner tracks though it's impossible to tell from amazon whether they're the originals or later live versions. It's pretty well chronological, but Caravan comes late …just before Cleaning Windows. It might be the TLW version.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:46:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Is this the one?

There is a 1971 King Crimson release from Detroit in the "Collectors Club" series:

QUOTE: Live in Detroit, MI is a live album (2-CD set) by the band King Crimson, released by the Discipline Global Mobile through the King Crimson Collectors' Club[1] in October 2001. Recorded in Detroit, Michigan at the Eastown Theatre on November 13, 1971. The packaging erroneously credits the CD as being from December 13, 1971.

There's no note of who else was on the bill, but given a 2CD set it sounds like it's a concert on their own.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:41:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van x 35

Van advertised 35 albums in Mojo last week, release date this Friday. It says "many digital for the first time" which I assume means downloads because they've all been on CD. Two versions of the Bang sessions, Blowin' In The Mind and TB Sheets are among them. I never thought of them as "official" before.

The Warner trio are a sore point as he gets zero royalty on them. I believe he had to hand over all the rights to Mrs Berns to escape a contract. They are not among the reissues.

Nor indeed is "You Win Again" with Linda Gail Lewis. That got withdrawn right after she cashed in and told tales to the tabloid press. Not coincidentally, I assume. Anyway, it's notable by its absence.

I believe, judging by his website, that Van owns the rights to all these albums. For some, it will be the fourth CD release. Usually the credits say Exile- Polydor, or Exile- Mercury, or Exile- Blue Note. This lot are just advertised as Sony Legacy without mentioning Exile. Do you you think he's actually sold his catalogue, as Bowie once did, or is this just the new round of leasing?

At least there's no claim to a further round of remastering after the CD, the remastered CD and the definitive remastered CD versions of some. They did actually improve.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:26:08 CEST 2015 from (50.92.152.148)

Posted by:

George Kosinski

Location: Hopkins Landing, BC

Subject: The Band in Detroit

I saw King Crimson open for The Band in Detroit sometime between 1967 and 1971. Does anyone know of this concert? Exact date and venue would be great!


Entered at Wed Aug 26 22:57:27 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Van The Man

Your right David. Warner's did retain those titles.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:56:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: road hockey

Kevin J: most evenings in the winter (and not infrequently in other seasons) there's a game in progress on our street. The folks across the street (their "rink" is directly in front of our house) host an all-day street hockey party every year on a Saturday or Sunday in the Xmas holiday period: 5 or 6 families' worth of players, women and toddlers in the house, men lined up along the porch shouting encouragement and sipping wobbly pops (and joining the game when the inspiration arises).


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:23:29 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Road Hockey

For most Canadian kids growing up, certainly my circle of friends during our era, Road hockey was everything. Some called it Street hockey or Ball hockey but it always involved a tennis ball ( not the silly hard orange thing that came later ) , aluminum nets ( usually only one net ). Other than days when we had a real game or practise – on ice – at an arena, playing hockey on the road was everything – every day after school until 5:30pm when Get Smart started, followed by dinner. Weekends– all day. The cars that came up and down the street knew well to gently go by as we lifted the net….too quickly and they might just have a ball ricochet off their car ! Great memories…laughs, good exercise, some real fights and a lot of life lessons. Sadly, road hockey as we knew it has all but disappeared across Canada.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:23:08 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The big music news is that Legacy, a Sony division, has acquired the rights to Van Morrison's catalog from 1971 to present, along with his recordings with Them. Not sure, but apparently Warner still controls ASTRAL WEEKS, MOONDANCE, and HIS BAND AND STREET CHOIR.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 20:55:19 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yes, Dunc & Sadavid, the Irn Bru ads- i ony saw the Fanny one... it was a riot! I must go back & watch the rest. thanks, and thanks to Kevin for reminding me.

Did any of you have odd ways of telling your friends when you'd meet them, etc?

A few people reminded me of this in the last year , i don't recall if it was just a Brooklyn thing or if it was all NYC - cause i had completely forgotten about this... but we used to say: "I'll call for you at your house." "I'll call for you at your house at 4." "I'll call for you on the phone." that's gone today, but we definitely used to use that expression. It was normal conversation.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 20:06:47 CEST 2015 from (95.174.57.117)

Posted by:

dani

Web: My link

Subject: super

Great website, you are great person


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:31:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We could use anyone's gardens whose kids were in the game, without asking too. But in general British front gardens were fenced or walled, with gates, and open plan frontages came in later in the 60s and 70s. There were known no go houses, but also ones that were OK.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:19:25 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Street play

I never played sports in the street, but we used to play an enormously exciting version of hide-and-seek we called Wave in our neighborhood, from after dinner till it got dark in the summertime. It involved hiding in the neighbors' yards, shrubs, bushes, etc. and trying to get back to home base before you were spied. Now, when I think back on it, people were awfully indulgent to let us use their yards this way - can't see it happening now.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:15:04 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: New Song - RR

New RR song available at his FB page. Just a sample but it sounds good.

Dunc: Thank you for the Irn Bru ads, very funny.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:08:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As mentioned in The Toppermost, Family pissed off Bill Graham. In general though, US promoters were worried about a mic being swung so fast just over the heads of the audience. I've been right up front and worried too.

This year for Record Store Day they reissued the hens teeth rare "Scene Through The Eyes of A Lens" the first Family single and a psych classic. For most stores I know, it sold out in the first two minutes.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:00:36 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ny

Jeff, I mispoke about the Bronx. After the war many of the families migrated to the suburbs at which point the Bronx sort of turned around the wrong way. I the 1960s the Bronx was burning. Many very nice buildings turned into ashes. It seems to be coming back now but 11 be the same. Your guess as to what part of the Bronx I'm from is not close. I grew up in the the Melrose section 2 blocks of the Yankee Stadium. The lights in the stadium is to shine into my bedroom I apologize for what seems strange in my posts. I use DragonDictate and sometimes it has a mind of its own


Entered at Wed Aug 26 18:38:12 CEST 2015 from (31.53.16.29)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Family

I really like Family. Had a good collection on vinyl once.

Have about four CDs, including a good collection, all of which I still play.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 17:48:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Burlesque

If unfamiliar with Family, you should hear Burlesque. Linked.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 17:15:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I was only slightly familiar with Family.

Sadavid, I appreciated how you deftly wrapped all those elements up in a bow. You may probably may be one of the readers who got full value from me some posts back...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 16:01:28 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Family kvetch

Don't know Family from fariña, but enjoyed both the linked track and the Toppermost review . . . .
Been doing a lot of copy-editing lately, so feel compelled to point out that PV (understandably) turned John Weider into Jim Weider . . . .

A number of recent posts brought this passage to mind:

"“Man I don’t believe it. Rye and mother ginger, too splendid.” He sat down satisfied, slapping his leg; Kristin not seeming to understand but seeing his pleasure, coming around to him, putting her arms over his shoulders, and appreciating the finger he dunked into one of the glasses. He tested the drink with his tongue, remembered the taste from his childhood in Brooklyn, shrugged away the memory, and took a sip."


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:44:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Spanish Tide

Try this one … Old Grey Whistle Test, 1971. Roger Chapman and John Wetton vocals.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:43:17 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Family reunions

Ha ha- great stuff Pete. I'll try and have a good read of that tonight.

Roger the great crested warbler!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:38:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Family

See the link. It was an early Toppermost so shorter than most, and a two-author one with the webmaster and me. The best British band never to make it big in America. According to Nick Lowe, "Burlesque" is the bench mark for rock bass playing.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:19:02 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Crazy track to accompany the reminiscing [which I'm loving]

Pete and Dunc - be interested to hear your take on Family. I don't recall them ever being discussed on here.

I'm assuming the track I've linked - about a boy and his mule lazing in the sun - was 'Big Pink' influenced - it's very possibly not known to our Canadian/US GBers.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:40:02 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dunc, i like those bus passes. running...talk later


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:38:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dumc, what about Scotland?

Pete, your pop was right to watch even oil changes. In 1980, a chain stripped the threads by pulling a plug on my car. It was a pain in the balls, but i got satisfaction. On my last, the Grand caravan, i had a few different mechanics screw up & try to screw me, over ten years. Never in NYC, cause i have the best possible, and honest mechanics in Da Bronx. But, 3 out of 4 times i made em bleed. Once by going to small claims court, i got back half of the cost of an improperly made repair i had to get redone. Twice i got full reimbursement without going to court. They reimbursed me. In one case it was about 600, in the other, well over a thousand...All three times were in st Louis. then i found a great, very nicely sized auto repair & tranny shop.Bout 23- 25 employees,with office & runner staff. Did their own rebuilds, & inexpensively..they were great for 40 or so years. Including about 7 with me. then the old man died. His son who had worked there took over. He kept it together right for about a year, but then it went downhill fast... that one time i got screwed, and didn't get satisfaction, that was him.... I did fix the car, for about 6 bucks.he screwed me well though. Bout a thousand...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:05:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bus passes are great in London - if you sit upstairs, you see lots of detail on buildings you'd never notice otherwise. You can't access the Underground though … Londoners can, and I was told that if you live in a town with a metro railway (Glasgow, Newcastle) then your bus pass works on the London Underground. Don't know if it's true.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 11:59:54 CEST 2015 from (31.53.16.29)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Enjoyed the posts on playing in the street and life in local areas.

What is great in Britain is the free bus pass for over sixties. Toured part of the north east of Scotland, Fife and the Borders last year in three different trips all for free apart from the train ride which takes us to our base. Great public transport. Got to give up the car though for these trips.

Always loved Cremola Foam, Al and it was ice lollies.

I find 'Another Brick In The Wall' poor. Madness produced ' Baggie Trousers' in response.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 11:07:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My dad worked for a wholesale motor supplies company. In those days, reps drove round to garages taking orders for parts and accessories. Then he moved to John Bull Tyres, who were taken over by Dunlop. He had Hampshire and Dorset from Southampton to Weymouth, pus the Isle of Wight. Same thing. In those days, every garage stocked and sold tyres (and radiator hoses which they also made). I remember his colleague, who was younger, kept saying that in the future there’d be specialists tyre places with good stock and rapid service, and garages would stop fitting tyres altogether. My dad thought he was right, but didn’t dare join him. The other guy started the first tyre centre in the area. Ten years later he had thirty centres and garages had stopped doing tyres.

My dad taught motor vehicle maintenance in the army in the year after the war, and still taught the odd evening class later. As a result, he didn't trust any mechanic and always stood there to watch oil changes.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 10:41:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, parking has become a problem even in my end of Brooklyn. Where it never was an issue before... But, what i meant with cars not stopping us from playin g in the street when we were young, applied to parked cars, as well as the cars coming down the street........ The street could be filled with parked cars, city kids didn't care.We had the one lane plus elbow room the cars drove down to play in.. And the car owners, well, they knew life went on- meaning, kids played ball in the street. If we ran into their car, that was life. Cars were pretty solid, almost built like tanks, in the 60s, early 70s...

Was your dad a retail, to the public, car salesman, or was he an in industry sales man?

I think there are a few sections here, such as part of Brooklyn Heights, where you need that residents permit to park on the street at certain times, say overnight for one thing... Some areas in St Louis have permit requirements for parking too..

Under Bloomberg, so many streets in Manhattan lost parking it's a pity... areas where you couldn't park by day, but 7PM to say 7 AM where open, well, he took it away, except for cars with taxi licenses, etc etc....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 09:53:00 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cars are Cars

We played football across the street with opposite gateways as goals. It was a street of 1930s small detached houses. They had garages, but in my early memories less than half had cars. Because my dad was a sales rep in the motor industry, we always had a company car. I don’t think it was lack of money so much as lack of availability post-war. During the day in the holidays you wouldn’t see a car. We were warned to be careful on Fridays because the fresh fish van came along the street. But it stopped every 50 yards.

A lot of dads cycled or walked … a neighbour was a fireman and he walked. The majority worked at either Vickers or De Haviland (aircraft manufacture), and I’m sure Vickers had a company bus pick-up. De Haviland was in Christchurch, further away. I guess they drove. Nobody had a second car. In the early 50s, I can only remember one mum who drove.

Further out in new post-war council housing, they had a lot of cul-de-sacs and they had signs with PLAY STREET, which meant no cars during the day. They had the same signs nearer the town centre where there were Victorian cul-de-sacs. Those signs went decades ago.

It makes me think how badly we screwed up with cars. We used to film in Bristol a lot, but abandoned it because you just couldn’t get around or park the half a dozen vehicles we needed anywhere. Because a lot of housing is older, few have garages or parking spaces. You have a lot of very large Georgian houses, subdivided into four apartments. That could generate eight vehicles! Negotiating side streets is almost impossible. When we’ve been recently we take Mrs V’s little Suzuki, because with an SUV, you can barely get through some streets. In Bath, a single car garage costs what a house would in most towns. London never seems too bad … excellent public transport plus draconian semi-fascist parking enforcement. You need a permit to park in your own street, as you do in Bath and Oxford. Many streets are "Permit holders only." But in many city centres, the older streets are packed with parked cars both sides. People come home and park 300 or 400 yards away because they can’t find a space.

In Tokyo (I believe) you have to have a parking space before you can buy a car.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 09:33:03 CEST 2015 from (24.235.228.248)

Posted by:

J.L Avis

Location: CANADA

Subject: CNE Bandshell Toronto

The Last Waltz - A Musical Celebration of THE BAND An all-star Canadian cast of award-winning blues and roots musicians will perform a tribute to The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND, at the Bandshell on Sunday, August 30th. Don’t miss the opportunity to celebrate the music of this legendary Canadian group, directed by Juno Award winning producer and musical director, Lance Anderson. The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND, features Chuck Jackson, the Weber Brothers, Paul James, Jimmy Bowskill and Jerome Levon Avis (Levon Helm’s godson) and is backed by a nine piece band that includes Jerome Levon Avis (drums, vocals), Terry Blersh (guitar), Dennis Pinhorn (bass), Rob Gusevs (organ), Anderson (piano, vocals) David Dunlop (trumpet), Gord Meyers (trombone, tuba) Chris Murphy (tenor sax), John Johnson (baritone sax), Johnny Max, and special guest Terry Danko (brother of the late Band bassist Rick Danko). On the American Thanksgiving of 1976 at San Francisco’s Winterland Ballroom, The Band performed what they called their “Last Waltz” and invited many of their friends to join the celebration, which included Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Neil Young and Ronnie Hawkins. Filmed by director Martin Scorsese, it is considered the best concert film of the era. This Live performance will recreate the atmosphere of The Band’s final concert. Anderson’s production of The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND has experienced rave reviews at the many festivals where it has appeared over the past few years and has consistently been referred to as the “best of the festival”. Date: Aug 30 Time: 7:30 pm - 9:30 pm Location: CNE Bandshell


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:47:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike, probably till about twenty to thirty years ago, i think most kids in most places ( unaffected by war, civil unrest, etc) grew up playing outside without adult supervision. Which is important, cause it was a way to learn alot about life and survival. OF course, once in a while, most kids had to go home or to some one and get some advice. but it was all a socialization and learning process, that kids today don;t get. Today, most everything involving kids playing is supervised by adults....but hell, from 11 or so on, we didn't see that much of our parents. By 14 we were running all over NYC by ourselves, and i expect that country kids had the same freedom running around. Suburbs were kinda different i think.... the subdivision streets wouldn't allow the kind of playing. And getting around, well, public transit wasn;t like city public transit, riding bikes in the street, on main suburban streets, i dunno. but country boys probably had the run of the countryside. Parents didn't worry back then. even at 11, 12, there was always two to ten of us kids, and our parents didn't worry. I expect it was the same for most of our age on here....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:21:31 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, Leipzig.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:19:18 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Interesting shot by Leipzeig, Jeff. Every one of us, although I can't speak for Angie or Joan or Lisa, certainly, played one sport or another on the street. With me, it was hockey in the winter, but baseball usually at a makeshift diamond out in a nearby field. When European football, or soccer, became popular, we did that, too. I'd be interested to know where the European or U.K. lads on this site played their football. I expect anywhere they could.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 05:37:22 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Al, Mike, any one interested. Linked is a photo taken by Arthur Leipzig in Brooklyn. It's of black & white teens or young men playing stick ball in the street in front of a kosher butcher next to kosher poultry market in a mixed neighborhood. i used to know where this was but forgot...The catcher was wearing a baseball mitt, which was we didn't always do in stickball..... i found this photo two years back when i was making that video for BIMB. There were a lot of iconic Brooklyn photos i was afraid to use, cause i couldn't easily get copyright and never understood how that creative commons copyright use of photos work.For example, the photos of the Alan Freed Rock & roll show Marquees in Brooklyn would have been great to have. Photos of the Dodgers. This photo, i found, and contacted Arthur's girlfriend who was taking care of him. She said he wasn;t feelign real well, and she didn;t wan tto trouble him with too much. I offered to pay, i offered to send a license and a check for use limited to the video..She was not sure what to do and passed. Of course, I respected the copyright and did not use the photo. Today, people are adding captions to it and pasting it all over Facebook, without permission. When i see it i get pissed off and i've written some people that they are infringing. I've been told to go take a hike.....Other people are selling postcards of it, i doubt the estate manufactured postcards..Arthur died in late 2014.

This street seems pretty clear of cars, but cars never stopped us where i lived. same goes for two handed touch football. Cars or not, we played...Sometimes we went to a school yard, sometimes went to the park, but the street was always convenient. Today, there's too many cars driving on the road,even in the most residential neighborhoods. It could never work...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 03:43:52 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: x Ambassadors

I expect there are those here who have heard this band, (maybe with out even knowing). They are every where in tv series back ground music. I think they are very talented and their music is easy to listen to and hard to forget.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 03:07:12 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: NYC

Jeff, enjoyed the tour. Learned a few things, too.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:45:51 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Shoal Tickle Social Club
Web: My link

Subject: los lobos

Link yet to be released Los Lobos track courtesy of Nick DeRiso.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:40:56 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: cowboy music

Link is to Ian Tyson's latest. Man is in fine form at 81. Yes, 81.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:22:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

It is launderette in the UK. There are compilations of Levi's ad songs. Most were big hits here, deservedly so. Brilliant song choices.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:10:42 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, as the pictures seem to indicate, scenes in the movie indicated neighborhoods in both Manhattan & Brooklyn. The Lower East side in Manhattan ( which was heavily Jewish), and the Bklyn neighborhood indicated by the street names given, that ran along the waterfront of the neighborhoods of Brooklyn Heights over to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Today that waterfront area is referred to as DUMBO- for Down Under the Manhattan & Brooklyn Bridges. A very heavily Bklyn Jewish neighborhood of the time would have been Williamsburg, but there were plenty of others ( and Williamsburg was not exclusively Jewish.. ... Italians, Irish, Blacks, Puerto Ricans, all lived there too. My father was born there in the late mid 1920s, his parents moved to Marine Park, i think when he was about 20 and living in L.A. . the Williamsburg Bridge is the furthest East of the three. Brooklyn, Manhattan, then Williamsburg. Williamsburg turns , and is east and just north as a neighborhood....Without watching the movie, i couldn't tell you what happens where, or where it's supposed to portray....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:02:14 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Advertizing in UK

Driving over to Port Hardy today I listened to an interesting program on CBC. It caught my attention after the commercials shown here today for IRN BRU.

This particular commercial made astounding statistics. For Levi 501 Stone washed jeans. A young man comes into a laundry Mat, (now I know in Texas they call 'em "washeteria". What do they call 'em in the UK? Any way this good looking young man, (and by the way this is set to Marvin Gay's "Heard it Through the Grapevine"). The young man opens a washer and pours in a bag of stones while these ladies doing their laundry watch him. He takes off his T shirt, and unbuttons his button fly and slides his Levi 501's off and drops them in the washer. He sits down in his ". He is wearing only his "tidy whities", (jockey shorts) This commercial by the powers that be would not be approved unless he was wearing "boxer shorts" so they did it again and he wore boxers. THE RESULT! sales of Levis 501 "stone washed" button fly jeans went up 800% they had to take the add off because they couldn't keep up with demand. Sales of boxer shorts soared. Marvin Gay's "Heard it through the Grapevine was reissued on the radio and immediately went to number one, higher than it ever made it when it was originally released. This was in 1984 apparently.

This was one of the lessons in advertising. I forget the guys name who came up with the entire concept to begin with. He took a lot of flack to start with. In the end they realized he knew what he was doing.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:37:58 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The meaning of life

Any one who has to gauge his masculinity by how he orders a soft drink or what to call it has to be very insecure with his man hood.......that is just.........sad.

You have been insulting people here for years you just don't get it.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:24:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: OUATIA

Jeff - Some photos at this website. maybe I'm wrong about Lower east Side if that is manhattan. It's definitely a jewish ghetto where it's set - I think the early bit is set in the 1920'2 with some stunning period scenes.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:13:51 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, Pete, that shouda been- Lollipops were candy suckers on sticks.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:09:50 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al & Pete, here in the U.S. our various types of ice pops were called that & popsicles, icicles, freezer pops, or freeze pops. They were on sticks or in plastic.
Lollipops were candy, tootsie rolls being a particular Brand that had ball shaped Tootsie Roll candy in the center.

Joan, while it is very unimportant, i wouldn't necessarily agree with you that "Brooklynites mainly went to Long Island." I haven't researched any statistics, & don't intend to, but I'll say that large amounts of Brooklynites moved to , Long Island, Staten Island, Rockland County, Westchester County, and many other places, same as people from The Bronx. I'm guessing that the part of the Bronx you lived in when you were very young was PROBABLY either (1) Riverdale, or 2) Williamsbridge/ Pelham Parkway. Of course, it could have been anywhere. Yehudim lived all over the Bronx.

Separately, where people moved their families to had to do with many factors. Just two overlapping factors were where the breadwinner or winners worked, & what the commute would be like.And what the liklihood of job stability was, and also the possibility of commute with possibility of replacing a job at some point.

Norm, sorry I don't have more time, but, you're a funny guy. Keep the supposed insults /jokes coming......if the feeling you get from it is a good enough substitute to prevent you from beating a woman or kicking a dog, keep it up.

Al, i'd have to see that movie again, but, if it is actually The Lower East Side, that is Manhattan. Of course, people roamed freely.

Joan, your statement: "The Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens are largely populated by middle-class people who moved after World War II ." is puzzling. It seems you mean presently and in the sense of a majority this has probably not been true in the bronx since the 70s, and probably not been true in brooklyn or Queens since the 80s.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 22:55:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pinot Grigio

Ha ha - made me chuckle. Been to a few weddings New Forest way Pete so I can well imagine!

Love those Dorset snatches. I can imagine the accent pretty well I think and I can see how with the translations they make sense. I wonder if they have similar exaggerated inflections/amplifications in the US and Canada?

Joan - your take seems to put a different slant again on the Bronx/Brooklyn thing. I'm still puzzling over the Lower east Side Jewish quarter thing from OUATIA. Is that in Brooklyn?

We should swap notes on all this far more than we do. I find it all fascinating. Maybe Pat can give us a Chicago lowdown. And I'd sure love some insight on the whole Appalachian Celtic hillbilly thing?

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:51:04 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Who is the cop, Who is the mole?

Scorsese and screenwriter William Monahan "borrowed" the basic plot of "The Departed" from a 2002 Hong Kong film "Internal Affairs (Mou Gaan Dou)" and reset it in Boston. A triad mobster infiltrates the police force and, at the same time, a cop goes undercover as a member of the triad -- both in search of the counterpart mole.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:16:42 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: David Gilmour sings Beatles

This is a terrific cover - Music fans should enjoy


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:11:40 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NY/NJ

I was born in Manhattan as for the first eight years of my life in the Bronx. At that point my parents bought a house in Teaneck New Jersey and we moved there. It was an era when many of the families from the Bronx moved to New Jersey. The Brooklynites mainly went to Long Island I was brought up a Jersey girl with a little of Bronx attitude. Brooklyn was a place that was mysterious to me I don't think I ever went to Brooklyn until I was an adult. As my husband says Brooklyn was one of our greatest allies in World War II.. One of my favorite beverages is Vernors ginger ale. You can only get it in the Midwest so my Ohio friends export to me. The Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens are largely populated by middle-class people who moved after World War II


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:07:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We used to say 'This aftie' for This afternoon. I got a book of Dorset dialect in Tesco last week. It's got the Dorset county flag on the cover, something I hadn't ever seen three years ago, but now it's everywhere. I'm sure I posted my dad's example of Dorset here before:

Wahr be garn, Jarge?

Tek fadder dinner.

Gie I a bit.

Casn't. Fadder ud wak I.

(Where are you going, George? / Take father's dinner / Give me some / I can't, father would whack me.)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:00:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

D'you need any messages? has me puzzled, Al. The neighbor didn't run a massage parlour, did she? In general, one took new neighbors a cup of sugar. Then offered a cup of tea. I suppose round here, if we actually spoke to our neighbours, it'd have to be a bottle of chilled Pinot Grigio.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 18:52:01 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Al & Peter

You guys are giving me nightmares! I keep getting this picture in my head that just doubles me over..........Can you see Jeff going in some place and asking for an "ice lolly or a lolly ice?" I laugh so hard I'm in pain! He just couldn't feel like a man.

Don't worry Jeff you'll be a man before your mother will :-)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 18:03:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A Rose in Spanish Harlem

I'm really incited....are you incited Al. It's great to get a belly laugh in the morning. it's easy to find the areas on google earth Al, but of course that would all be wrong too.

If you ever watched the movie, "Gangs of New York". The 5 areas are referred to as the "five points".

Jack Nicholson also is from New Jersey. As it is told he was raised by his grand mother who he always thought was his mother. His mother he always thought was his sister. This was in those days a cover up for a woman bearing a child out of wed lock.......now I'm really confused.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 17:31:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Al, correcting misinfo you were given

Al, had you not accepted them as correct, i would not have commented on this . I figured most would realize that all or most of the misinformation Norm offered regarding The Departed and Brooklyn accents, plus some more, as just an attempt to incite.

For example, the accents in The Departed were Boston accents. Not Brooklyn accents. The film took place in Boston, was about Boston Irish gangs & Boston police, and that is the accent they all portrayed. Matt Damon, and Wahlberg, two of the main actors, also are both Boston natives. Other participants, like Martin Sheen & Alec Baldwin, Jack Nicholson, did a great job portraying Boston accents.

Regarding buns, as Pete indicates, there is nothing like info from the actual place. You had asked about NYC's relation to Jersey. Possibly up to half to the people that moved to the state in the last 50 years came from NYC. Two of my aunts, my stepfather's sisters and their families, moved there when i was under 10. My mother's oldest brother and another uncle, my stepfather's best friend, moved their families there when i was under 7 or 8. (Other family moved to Long Ilsand). Why- if you wanted to buy a home, you got a lot more for your buck, a bigger house, and alot more property. Houses were very inexpensive in these places then... The migration still takes place. but now the homes in Jersey & long Island are high priced and the real estate taxes are insane, but you still get more.More of a house, more land. If we did not have my grandmother's huge house & property, and my family was buying,it's possible they'd have migrated too.... Weekends, probably at least a third of Sundays we drove out to either Jersey or The Island. Other times people came to Brooklyn...While we tend to regard Jersey as different, it is mostly with affection, cause our families & friends are there. but of course, the people grow up different than us. But not totally, cause in so many cases, go back, fifty or 60 years say, if the parents were immigrants from overseaas, they were the same people that were raising kids in NYC. and so were the neighbors, or odds are the neighbors were from NYC. And also, once the kids were old enough, many were on the bus running into NYC for music etc etc...Of course there were original Long Islander & Jersey people, but huge portions of these populations trace back to NYC in short time frames. Alot of the kids i went to grade & high school with moved to either place.

Now Al, as Pete wrote, re info from the actual place.... Jersey got hot dog, buns, hamburger buns, hard rolls, soft rolls, & kaiser rolls, same as NYC. Some places in joisey selection might be limited, but that happens in Long Island too.. Westchester. but there are choices plus. Different people like their burgers on different breads, & different establishments serve things differenty. Same as anyplace. I never spent time in a place where i didn't notice some bars & restaurants use different burger breads... In St Louis, we had a bar named The SPorts Pagse. right across from where i lived in 81 & 82. They made a great bug hamburger, served on a phenomenal big seeded hard roll. Other joints served their burgers on soft buns. Jersey is the same. Here, in my neighbrhood, a mile away we got an Italian Bakery where te bread is great. The rolls, not so great. Kind f soft and airy. The kaiser rolls too. And they also have buns. Another half mile away, there' an Italian Bakery where the breads are great, and the rolls are great. the regular rolls are a little too airy for me, but their semolina rolls, either a seeded twist, or a bun shaped seeded roll, or harder ( in the sense of density combined with hardness) than a good hard roll. and to die for. Both places have great , steadily fresh made coffee. The second also offers espresso and capuccino. Now regarding that lack of an r he mentioned in hard, had rolls, those are up in Boston. Joisy, and Brooklyn, we got hard rolls.We pronounce it different but we got r-s. In Brooklyn,Often "saw" is more like "sore" or sahw". Or something else. Forget about it- for example, becomes one word, fuggehdaboudit, and that can happen in Joisy too.... Words get hurried, sounds hcange r disappear, but had or hahd rolls. that's boston. A good host, barbecuing in Joisy or NYC or Long ISland, will often try to have rolls and buns for his guests to choose their preference from. Hot Dogs, unless the stores are out of buns, you won;t seem em on rolls or bread. Hot Dogs are on buns.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 17:07:37 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Machavelian sisters

P - your sis reminds me of someone who shall remain nameless !!!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:57:24 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Local expression variations

I do find it fascinating how these things come about. They occur everywhere of course but I'm conviced in Liverpool's case there's more than a small element of bolshoiness that brought them about. Anything not to conform. But, of course, once they get bedded in then the reason why they came about melts away [see what I did there!!]

The thing is as you know full well Pete the proper term is indeed "ice-lolly". I mean that's what the folks who make the feckin things call them.

I just asked Mag and she can recall when she first arrived from South Wales noticing a few of these scouse terminolgies that she either couldn't understand or they simply sounded a bit daft to her. Lolly-ice was one. All ordinary Liverpool folks use it.

The other thing which as a teacher would do her nut in was the abbreviating or distorting of any word that could possibly be abbreviated or distorted. Forinstance nobody ever said 'hospital'. It was always the 'ozzie'. 'This afternoon' was always 'disavvy'. Nothing was ever 'good'. It was always 'gear'.

Another one that foxed her was when she was asked 'd'you need any messages?" by our old neighbour a day or so after we'd moved into our first house.

:-0)

Not sure if you have that expression down ther Pete?

Anyroad - I'm boring meself now so I'll stop.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:40:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

P.S. when I confront my sister about this (every Christmas) she merely says ice-lollies were indeed poisonous in 1953 and so she saved my life and I ought to be grateful, not bring it up on every family occasion.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:34:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sweet (and sugar) rationing ended in 1953. Everyone had a ration card.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:29:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah. ICE-lolly is normal. Posh is ICED-lolly. I don’t remember hearing lolly-ice. I did every weekend as well as summer holidays on Bournemouth beach selling ice-cream from age fifteen, and I got used to regional variation … we said a TUB of ice-cream, but many Northerners asked for a CUP. Then there was CONE and CORNET. WAFER and SANDWICH and SPLIT. I don’t remember lolly-ice. By the mid-60s, I think there was a limited range, and people asked either for an 'Orange Maid' or a 'Mivvi' which is all we sold. And Mivvis were all strawberry.

It set me thinking, when I was a kid, I thought that all sweet shop owners had Northern accents, because every corner sweet shop and tobacconist was owned by people with Northern accents. I guess it was a retirement dream to own a sweet shop at the seaside, and also the South Coast is better for the bones and joints.

In the days of sweet rationing after the war (North Americans won't know about this) my sister and I used to go and buy a twopenny ice-lolly once a week. My sister being 6 years older, explained that the coloured stuff in ice-lollies was poisonous to small kids (I was about 5) and so she used to suck all the poison out of the ice lolly for me and hand me the white, tasteless block of ice which was left. I used to wonder why people liked them.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:04:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Lolly-ice

Interesting Pete.

It could well be a typical Liverpool 'we have to be that little bit different from the norm' type of expression. Certainly in all the Lancashire/Cheshire areas immediately surrounding Liverpool it's always been ice-lolly.

The thing is to a Liverpudlian ice-lolly really does sound dead posh [perhaps Si could confirm that]. I wonder what Lolly-ice sounds like to you and the missus Pete?

Apart from a bit daft, of course!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 15:34:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The irn-bru adverts are amazing … I've never seen them.

Ice-lolly here. Never heard lolly-ice, in spite of my summers selling ice cream and ice lollies on the beach from 15 to 18.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 15:14:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Irn Bru ads

I'll second Sadavid's chortling.

Funny stuff - plus I'll own up to watching the buxom one more than a few times whilst imagining myself there alongside the two lads following her every move!!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 14:25:44 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: bru-haha

Dunc - greatly enjoyed those links . . . the scene at 3:08 here should be particularly poignant for the GB crowd . . . .


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:52:03 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Norm/Jeff - thanks for all that New York insight - lapped it up. Love hearing about anything to do with it - a unique melting pot of race, colour, creed and possibly above all culture. My favourite film of all time is Once Upon A Time in America - I think it was set in the jewish Quarter - was that Lower East Side? Is that Brooklyn?

Where do main Harlem and Spanish Harlem fit into the whole picture?

Dunc - you may have missed it but do you remember Creamola Foam?

Roger/Pete - I do recall Tizer cans but I'm sure they came later. Jusoda was a funny shaped bottle - shaped like a curvy woman - it was always on the shelf next to the Tizer bottles. Similar colour to Tizer though slightly darker orange.

Finally - Got to ask the Brits again - ice-lolly or lolly-ice????

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:39:09 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Irn Bru advert 2015

This year's irn bru advert. A wonder it wasn't banned.

Don't watch if prudish.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:30:29 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Irn Bru Adverts

Here's a link to the irn bru adverts. Great laugh if you've got the time.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 10:58:28 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Fecking autocorrection. A PLATE of yo-yos. Yo Yos were round chocolate biscuits wrapped in foil with a layer of unsuitably flavored sugary cream. Try eating a lime one, a peppermint one and a blackcurrent one in succession.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 10:51:45 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tizer

It comes in a CAN! Oh, no! Tizer was the definitive huge bottle. I will seek it out. I bet it tastes nasty. I feel myself coming over all Dylan Thomas (A Child's Christmas in Wales). A glass of Tizer, or drink from a big bottle and pass it round. A play of yo-yos in assorted vile flavors, a tasteless Wagon Wheel (they still do them and they taste of a faint whiff of cooking chocolate plus nothing), then an argument on whether green, red and blue wrapped Penguins taste different.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 09:33:20 CEST 2015 from (84.209.82.110)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: Back in the land of Coca Cola

Tizer is still going strong - I think it has the strap line 'Great British Pop' on the can. Corona packed up in the 80s. As a kid we used to have Corona wagon deliveries from house to house. I can remember helping our delivery guy when I was in primary school and he used to have a box of complimentary cokes in the cab which he'd let me raid. As a 10 year old Coca Cola was like liquid gold. We have Mexican Corona beer over here too. On holidays our kids were always taken by French pop called Pschitt!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 03:35:32 CEST 2015 from (173.172.37.17)

Posted by:

Glenn T

Subject: Love & Mercy

thanks to mr. Viney for his review of the Brian Wilson movie. Really appreciate the work it takes to share your thoughts on concerts, films and music artists. Your contributions are a vital part of this forum.

And there are others who share their stories, thoughts, memories, insights, and YouTube links that make this guestbook such an interesting place to visit. Thank you all!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 01:20:05 CEST 2015 from (70.193.172.196)

Posted by:

David P

Down here one asks for a Coke and expects no other brand of cola substitutes. Years ago Howard Johnson restaurants served their own brand of cola soft drink called HoJo. The name was memorialized in a song by NRBQ entitled "Howard Johnson ' s Got His HoJo Workin'."


Entered at Tue Aug 25 01:01:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Love & Mercy

Link to my review of the highly enjoyable Brian Wilson biopic, Love and Mercy.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 23:39:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

David … do people say CoCola rather than coke in Georgia? They do according to the articles, but it's good to get info from the actual place!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:51:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, unfortunately quickly as i;m just home for a minute - I had the good fortune to see Danko sing Doo wop a few times. Twice with Dion, the third person with them mighta been Busey one time. This was at a Show at the Lone Star Roadhouse, in midtown, in the 90s. It was at a Little Big BAnd show, Vivino and Harvey brooks' band. Two other times were at the Bearsville Theater, with Marshall Crenshaw, Jules Shear, and at least one of those times, Bill Lloyd, of Foster & Lloyd.There's no words to explain how beautiful, melodious, and enjoyable that was. And there was one other time i can now think of, which would make five, i think he sang some doo wop that night too, ta the crazy Country CLub in Brooklyn.

The other matter, which you inquired about, we who grew up here in the city ( as opposed to The City), the 5 boroughs, Manhattan ( The City), Brooklyn, Queens, Da Bronx, and Staten Island, we're all New Yorkers. Meaning people from NYC. While the boroughs are all a little different, the people to a strong degree were the same with some slight variation..Cultures developed , people mostly valued education, work ethics were strong, families were close knit... Food was great everywhere....Manhattanites & Bronxites would edge in a little closer to Brooklynites in terms of variations..... Each borough had it's roughest spots, but even the cushy neighborhoods were rough in their very real way.... For many reasons, including the fact that a lot of the people in em came from rougher neighborhoods, or made their living rough ways...If you didn't have street smarts you had a problem in any neighborhood in any borough.. Queens was certainly no picnic either, but Da Bronx was probably a lot rougher than Queens, in terms of on a major basis. I worked all over Da Bronx in 78, 79, 80, lived there for about 6 months. Always had a strong affinity for it. Brooklyn always was the most populated borough, size wise i don't know. We're all New Yorkers, but there are distinctions. i wouldn't say any real kind of rivalries, but some noticeable differences . i tihnk geography had alot to do with how things developed, and to a degree, that influenced how people developed. But your;e talking people from the same cultures and countries overseas, coming to a city of 5 boros that in a very real sense, was strongly united and different than Long Island, Westchester, and New Jersey. Yet there's plenty of peopel who grew up in Long Island, and Westchester, that are very much typical New Yorkers. Many were born in the city, then moved, many were born in those places, over the border, but to parents from the city, or parents from other countries but in a neighborhood full of people from the city... I've met people born & raised in Westchester, that have stronger NYC accents than I. Greek guy, bassist, born and raised in Westchester, sounds like typical Brooklyn or Manhattan Italian, cause he grew up in a Westchester neighborhood, mostly filled with NYC italians and some jews..... Sayonara....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:27:56 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: the music

da f***?

Some customers want a cola with their rum; others ask for ginger ale with their whisk(e)y. My advice is to avoid rum and soft drinks in general. Why would anyone want to add to whisk(e)y I don't want to know.

I'm with Norm. Scallops are great. Why would anyone want to wrap bacon around one? Overkill.

Been listening to all Band music while on holiday. Took the hike up to Western Brook Pond at Gros Morne Nat. Park. Weather was miserable. Loved it. Should be on your bucket list.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:10:07 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Oh to be back in the land of Coca-Cola...

And so the oft' told story from the birthplace of Coca-Cola goes like this: The last major land battle of the American Civil War took place on Easter Sunday, April 16, 1865 on the Georgia/Alabama border at the Chattahoochie River, where the cities of Columbus, Ga. and Girard, Al. sit on opposite sides of the river. During the battle Lieutenant Colonel John Pemberton of the Third Georgia Cavalry suffered severe gunshot and sabre wounds. He suffered great pain during his slow recovery afterwards from his wounds and became addicted to morphine. As a civilian, Dr. Pemberton had practiced medicine and surgery before starting a pharmaceutical business producing a variety of remedies. Putting his skills to work, he concocted a tonic to help cure his addiction. The original version, called French Wine Coca, contained extracts of Peruvian coca leaf, kola nut (for caffeine), wine and damiana, a reputed aphrodisiac. Several years later when Atlanta banned alcohol, he replaced the wine with sugar syrup for sweetness and, when it was dispensed at drug store fountains, carbonated water was added to the base syrup and sold for five cents a glass. Dr. Pemberton later began selling off the rights to the drink and its secret formula to business partners, and all shares were later purchased by Atlanta druggist Asa Candler. Mr. Candler, through aggressive marketing, went on to establish the widely successful Coca-Cola soft drink company, where fountain sales were eventually overtaken by the bottling process.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 20:32:19 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Pop, soda or whatever

So what does Irn Bru taste like? Sounds quite mysterious ...

When I was very young my family crossed the New Mexican desert with nothing in the car to drink but soft drinks. I was so thirsty, all I wanted was water. After that I never liked fizzy sweet drinks, and still don't to this day. Though ginger ale has its uses, especially if you're pregnant.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 20:00:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The King of Queens

Al you'll have to take a look on Goggle Earth and you can see the Bronx and Brooklyn. I guess you know "Queens" is another area there. The King of Queens is a tv sitcom about that part of town.

If you have ever seen the movie "The Departed", it is really funny how all those actors copy that Brooklyn accent.

Many years ago here I spoke of a friend who played lead guitar for me. He was from "Joisey". Now for another example of the difference in terms, what we call a bun here as in hamburger bun, or Kaiser bun they call a "roll" down there. He would ask for a burger on a hard roll and in the word "hard" they leave out the r.

Peter, "Corona" is a brand of Mexican beer. Most places when you get a bottle of that beer they stick a slice of lime in it.

It's hard to understand that anyone doesn't know of the term "soda pop". It's advertised that way all over the internet.

In case no one was listening, I just apologised to myself...........I have no idea what for.....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:47:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Don't remember Jusoda. The sporty types drank lucozade, but we only had it if we were ill. Like irn-bru, it was very brightly coloured.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:46:30 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Yellow lemmo

Not even sure if yellow lemonade is produced these days Pete.

While we're on this kick, Lolly-ice or Ice-Lolly?

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:44:25 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Irn Bru

JD - my son still drinks it. Loves it. Never understood the devotion to it as like you I'm not keen. Sorry Dunc.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:42:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As well as lemonade being fizzy in the UK, we also use orangeade, limeade, cherryade, raspberryade for fizzy drinks. I don't recall any other flavors with '-ade.' When I was young the brand round here was Corona, and we used that generically, ‘Do you want some Corona? What flavour?’ They invented Tango, a name which has survived their demise.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:41:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Pete - Not seen Tizer for yonks

Did you used to have Jusoda too?

My favourite as a kid was a drink called Creamola Foam. I think it was Scottish. Dunc may remember it. It came as powder in a little tin and you added water like Epsom salts. My mother never used to get it so I only ever had it when I went to my cousins house. Luckily that was quite often as it was just around the corner.

I still crave it now. Badly. But it's no longer produced.

Jeff - Is The Bronx similar to Brooklyn? Or are we talking chalk and cheese? Do folks in each place still regard themselves as New Yorkers or is there an entirely different identity thing going on. Ditto New jersey?

Kev - as for the colloquialism of going for a few pops - for whatever reason and search me as to why but a lot of folks by us use the expression 'going for a few sherbets'. God knows how this came into use.

Norm - I love those old doo wop numbers to bits and Wonder Why is right up there. So many great ones.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:06:38 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, like clockwork, Coach SD arrived to display his charms. And that metaphor! The highlight of the season!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:47:10 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Irn-Bru

I realize this is very popular in Scotland. My daughter and son just love the stuff. It's sold in all the Scottish Fish and Chip stores here. I took one swig of it once and I really didn't care for it.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:42:58 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

john D

Subject: Pop vs Soda

Well; when I was a boy; being raised in Ontario we called it Pop or Soda Pop. Unless of course it was a Chocolate Soda. "Hey Dad can I have a bottle of Pop?" We also began calling them by the brand name. Anyone for a Coke....a Pepsi, Root Beer; or 7 Up? 7 Up could really quench your thirst; as opposed to the Cola's; but I never cared for it. That goes ditto for Mountain Dew and Dr. Pepper.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:38:02 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pop vs Soda

This maybe helpful. As well as this page, I was surprised to find how much this topic is discussed on the internet.

Hello Pat. I don't know what is going on. How could some one who calls hisef coach be agin sports. What does he coach........pray tell.

I got to thinking about that while having my coffee Peter the stores do use the term soft drinks. The Bronx baby is in a minority it appears.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:33:38 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

In the hockey world, thanks in large part to Don Cherry and his extremely popular “Coaches Corner” segment on Hockey Night In Canada each and every Saturday night, the term “Pop” has come to be associated with beer in Canada…..”after the game, the boys went out and had a few pops”.

Landmark: Great to see your name here……I actually was going to write that you would know….my memory was that the choices were restrictive……but yes, it was mustard only – not relish as well !


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:05:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Both the Shorter Oxford and Websters agree that "pop" comes from the sound of the bottle being opened. I believe it was slang for Champagne in the Oscar Wilde era too … same reason.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:48:31 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.82)

Posted by:

Coach

No one here received any such directive, you whiny old mare. Look it up. Your posts have all the charm of ten pounds of horseshit stuffed into a five pound sack.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:28:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, there's a variety of signs. I recall some stores having signs that said both Soda and Water, other stores had signs that just say Beverages. I don't recall ever seeing an aisle sign that said soft Drinks. Maybe in Britain or Canada.

We had soda fountains growing up. There are still some around. The people that worked at em once were called soda jerks. No pop fountains, i bet they weren't called pop fountains anywhere., not even in the midwest. I can't imagine anyone going to a soda fountain for a pop. Phospahte, they said in places.somewhere along the line, it got changed in some areas. Do you hear a pop when you remove a metal cap from a bottle?- if so, maybe that is where pop came in. Or pop could be short for phosphate. Off for my first cup of black cawfee.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:03:46 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, you must have missed the appearance of something named Coach who brilliantly critiqued my occasional sports posts. Don't worry. It's not worth searching out.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 15:49:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, yes, two cents plain is the elixir of life. You can still get it delivered in the old spritzer bottles here.

Al Edge, Dion is a Bronx Boy. From the old Arthur Avenue section. I think he grew up on Belmont Ave, but if not, it was very close by. Arthur Ave , the section, is now just a few blocks, but still houses some great bakeries, salumerias, & restaurants. Dominicks is a sure fire to die for meal. No menu. The waiter tells you what they got that day. Long , plain old wood tables, almost like picnic tables. You do get your own chair though. Expensive, no frills, but to die for.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 15:08:06 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Good morning Norm, you owe yourself an apology. No one here will hear you, so don't feel funny about it......If you want me to offer the numerous reasons why, I will. Later today though, if you ask......If you figured it out on your own, no need to discuss it further... I'm kinda hoping that you were just plain old ossified, and not just plain old stoopid. But really, you gotta watch your blood sugar. Me, i had mine way down. But with the pizza, the great semolina breads, and I been drinking a couple or few beers a day all summer long, it shot up over 6. My weight dropped a little, but the sugar went up. The doc just read me the riot act , but I felt the sugar first. No more booze or much bread for a while, & then, honestly, I'll be too scared to have more than an occassional drink of alcohol.... Be careful Norm. .....Mike, i hate to say it, but i gotta cut the pizza way back too.

Ben, people say pop all through the midwest. First time i recall hearing it was in '81, the first time I moved to St. Louis. I might have heard the word used in the south prior, but if so, it didn't register....People in Iowa strike me as genuinely nice. I only been through it briefly a few times, but had an overall good impression.... My old veterinarian was from Iowa, grew up on a big family farm. He was a captain in the Green Berets, after Viet Nam he came to NYC. Nicest guy, best vet you could imagine. In 09, in his late 70s,, he was still practicing, & was still the best vet for my money,still usually driving to his building on his Harley... i think he practiced till 2013.....I use the word humdinger once in a while. It's a helluva good word.



Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:45:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In case the Americans don't know, Dunc, I'll point out that Irn-bru is the UK third best selling soft drink (Coca-Cola 1, Pepsi - 2). In Scotland, Irn-bru is number one.

Al, do you remember Tizer? Do they still make it?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:42:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Statistics

Carbonated beverage consumption, 2011. Per capita per annum.

USA - 216 litres

Canada - 119 litres

Australia - 100 litres

UK - 96 litres

Italy - 50 litres

Japan - 21 litres

It's spectacularly different. When I read about it, the US climate was cited, but Australia is as hot or hotter and drier. TEN times as much as Japan!

Actually gun deaths show a similar discrepancy with US at the top, Japan at the bottom. Has anyone put it down to sugar craving?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:17:08 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: seltza ain't soda, it's so much more

Jeff A, are you michugannah. Seltza isn't merely "soda", it's Jewish Perrier. Particularly lemom/lime seltza on the rocks. It is most refreshing.

On a side note, my wife is from Iowa and does say 'pop' on occasion. She also says 'humdinger' once in a while, which I doubt that any one born on the east coast would dare utter.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:01:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Thanks

I'd read that somewhere about 'ginger'- good to get confirmation.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 13:24:48 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ginger

Soft driinks are called ginger in the west of Scotland, unless ordering irn bru or coke - then it's just their name.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 11:50:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Norm. I have a suspicion the standard sign might be SOFT DRINKS.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 11:41:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sign , Sign every where a sign!

Truth is Peter, in the 2 Walmart Stores here, (Campbell River & Courtenay) they don't even have a sign pertaining to soft drinks, (which in most stores here is what they are called). They are just in an isle that pertains to, fruit juices, bottled water, and soft drinks).


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:59:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kink …

Norm, you just reminded me. In the new Mojo, Dave Davies.

Q: If push comes to shove, what is your favorite album of all time?

DAVE DAVIES: If I was forced at gunpoint to pick just one, I'd have to say 'The Band' by The Band. The feeling in some it just blinds me. It's really beautiful.

Back to pop v soda, what I really want to know about the sign in the supermarket is whether the big chains like WalMart or Whole Foods change the aisle sign regionally, or whether they stick to one. And is it pop or soda? Or soft drinks?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:21:56 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dion

The Dion song.......in case any one was interested is "I wonder Why".........and it's GREAT!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:17:23 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pop goes the gawd damn weasel.........I guess

My good friend Al Edge gave an explanation of "pop" along with many others here. Perhaps it wasn't read by the "authority".

Any way Al linked a Dion youtube song. Thanks Al, it was great. Here is another Dion. Now this is really Rock & Roll. We were playing this stuff before most of the flakes now a days even know what rock & roll really is..........YEAH!! Oh man.........I did something wrong, it tells me the video doesn't exsist........."walks away with his tail between his legs."


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:54:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Kink!

Pop is traumatizing! Order a Cream Soda you'll walk out like a man. Listen to yourself Jeff. You spend most of your time here putting every one else down who doesn't think like you do. Fact is I don't believe you even think before you start running your mouth off.

It wasn't me who came up with the term "pop". It is what it has always been called as many people have confirmed here, (including Joan). I guess we are all just idiots and (as usual) you are the only one who is right! Give your head a shake. Maybe, "just maybe" there are terms in the rest of the world different from where you live.

I've come to realize over many years that a conversation with you is just an absolute waste of time. You have a mind like a railroad, "one track". Oh and as you always ask everyone who disagrees with you to apologise, no.......I won't because you don't know your ass from that hole in your head that all this crap keeps spewing out of.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:07:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

By 48th, I mean 49th.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:04:16 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Fizzy drinks

Pop v soda. For selfish reasons (the book I’m working on), I was fascinated by the link to pop v soda com and the maps. It was a large study and detailed. If you go to image search, there are several different maps so lots of surveys. I knew that pop was Canada, and the West / Mid West along the 48th Parallel, but I didn’t know the large generic ‘coke’ area in the South, nor the extent of the ‘pop’ area. The study is detailed … the map with most detail points something out in Florida. Most of it matches the South as ‘coke’ … but when you look closer, Greater Miami, Orlando, Tampa are ‘soda.’ i.e. the largest populations, and those with immigration from elsewhere and tourists.

The UK … I think – please correct me if this is just Southern England … was pop when I was a kid, but then ‘pop’ fell out of use. We’ve always had ‘cream soda’ as a specific type. We have soda water (unflavoured, unsweetened) as in ‘whisky and soda.’ But soda is something you put down the drain to unblock it.

Reading about the survey, I strongly suspect that in most transactions in both North America and the UK, brand is used. ‘A Sprite / Seven-Up / Pepsi / Diet Coke … please.’

So the question comes down to ‘What do they label the aisle in the supermarket?’ In the UK it’s usually ‘soft drinks’ though I have seen a surprise one: ‘lemonades’ (in the UK, lemonade is always a fizzy drink like Sprite … for a still drink made with lemons we’d say ‘Real lemonade.’ ) I took lots of smartphone pictures in the USA as notes for the book, and certainly in California and New York the aisle was labelled ‘Soda.’

So my question, if you live in a ‘pop’ region, is the supermarket aisle labelled ‘pop’ on the overhead sign?

BTW, look at the maps. Compare it to election result maps. An alien might deduce ‘Democratic states drink soda. Republican states drink pop.’


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:03:05 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 08:43:44 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

An aside Norm. One of the bars in Henry Hill's book Wiseguy, (I'm not certain it made it in to the movie adaptation, which was Goodfellas) was Harry's 5 O' Clock Lounge. Harry, the bar owner, was a shylock. Around 72 - 74, i was in there a few times. Sometimes Harry's 5 O' Clock Lounge was my stepfathers' Bank Of America. that's the tip of the ice berg.... There's a lot more, but, i wouldn't write it here.

But, again, go into Harry's or some other bar and ask for a pop- say, hey i want a pop....they mighta thought you' were asking to have some one killed....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 08:24:46 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norm, now lets get this straight......

The scene is Vegas, in the early 40s. Bugsy Siegel, of The Williamsburg Siegels, ordering a Cream Soda , Gimme a Cream Soda.....- can you see him saying- Gimme a Cream Pop?

I'll have a Black Cherry Pop don't work either. Gimme a black cherry soda- it's musical.

Seltzer is soda. It sure ain't pop.

An egg cream is a soda.

Pop, is traumatizing. We've heard it everywhere we go. But I'm no fucking missionary. I don't try to convert no one. Those that hear it said correctly, & come to, correct their geographically engendered birth defects on their own. Those that don't see the light, & continue to say Pop, well, they might make it in to Heaven any way. I ain't gonna try to stop em :-)

On a similar note, there's a whole bunch of people in St Louis who picked up the expression "rat bastard scumbag f***" . Just cause it sounded so right to em. "The Whammies", Brooklynese for a jinx or "the evil eye", goes over big most places....... Try it Norm. Go somewhere, ask for a Cream pop. See how you feel asking for it.

Then go somewhere else, ask for a Cream Soda. And you'll walk out like a man.

:-) :-)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 07:28:19 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: SPORTS!!???

I don't get it Pat, are you joking? With all respect, (and I respect you a lot) you talk about hockey and the "Black Hawks" when it suits you.....so I don't get it. I'm serious, am I missing something here?

Your buddy "Jeff" who we know KNOWS EVERYTHING! just aways back eluded to (what he considers) the fact, soft drinks are called "soda" and "pop" is an old man.......well as Joan has said, and many others It has been called "POP" since time began.

I mentioned the movie, "The Last Picture Show" based on a 1950's town in Texas. Soda pop, or very often "Sody Pop" was the nick name of the day. I guess the Brooklyn Boy just doesn't get out much. But then that Brooklyn bunch of mobsters never stray very far from home. That fact is born out in many of the movies such as "A Bronx Tale". Or "Good Fellas". You can never expect them to tell the truth about any thing :-) :-)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 02:58:02 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Tronna

Pat B: Even sports is better than another round of rhyming slang.

Joan: That sounds familiar. Coke, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Sprite, Seven-Up, Teem, ginger ale, ginger beer - all 'pop', though we knew that was short for 'soda pop', which the Americans we saw on TV chose to shorten to 'soda'. But here, like Ohio I guess, a 'soda' was a scoop of icecream in pop.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 02:04:52 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Please. Posters, we received the directive from Coach SD to refrain from the sports talk. C'mon.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 00:30:41 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Cherries

To be fair P you outplayed us in a pure footballing sense and whilst we could have had a few more in the end I felt we were fortunate to get the three points.

As for yesterday - very impressive and well deserved.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:57:46 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

JQ, could be true. I'm kind of frightened of English women with brooms (from experience) though brooms are softer than frying pans.

I read the "Spycatcher" books as a kid, and apparently the Germans machine-gunned Bournemouth Gardens on a Sunday afternoon when lots of Canadian troops were there, killing many. The German planes were shot down and the pilots came to shore and were badly beaten up … for which those beating them up were prosecuted and punished. Proving we followed the rule of law.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:45:49 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Broom Brigades

Hi Peter - I sorta recall this from a long time ago and I don't know if there's any truth to it, lemme know:

The Broom Brigades were the housewives in England, who, during that era, would rush to any German that parachuted out of his disabled plane and beat him to death with their brooms??

It makes me think John McCain shouldn't complain so much about his Vietnamese captors!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:22:30 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Pop

o I went to school in Ohio in the 60s. I came from New York and I felt like I was entering new land in New York we call things like Pepsi Coke soda but when I asked for soda there they told me was pop pop is what we call soda and ask soda is an ice cream soda. .The other thing I discovered was what they called phosphates. Orange or strawberry. This traumatic for an Eastern girl


Entered at Sun Aug 23 18:51:44 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Naff?

Blimey!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 17:33:08 CEST 2015 from (96.252.238.93)

Posted by:

Ray

Location: Woodstock
Web: My link

Subject: The old '49 Hudson

Greetings Everyone from Woodstock Ray, I was an old friend of Rick Danko, and we had many happy times together. Back in 1970 he gave me a 1949 Hudson ( my first car) and I towed it from Big Pink into Woodstock,( did't run too good) Cicle Rep rode around town in it that summer, ( Brad Dourif was in the co.then). later Happy Traum got it. Has anyone seen the Green 1949 Hudson Commodore car in recent years?, Thanks, Ray


Entered at Sun Aug 23 16:13:18 CEST 2015 from (84.209.82.110)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham (currently in Drobak)

Subject: Less than stellar

You're right Peter. We saw it at the flicks when it was released and we thought the same. And when you could make out what he was saying (and I love him in Lone Star and True Detective) the things he was made to say were naff!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 11:52:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Battle of Britain

Never have so many owed so much to so few … (Winston Churchill).

Excellent article on The Battle of Britain, which we remember today, by Patrick Bishop (author of Fighter Boys, Bomber Boys) in today’s Sunday Times. As they no longer allow full web access, I’ll mention an incident in August 1940. The average pilot age was 20. One was shot down near Canterbury but parachuted safely down. He had shrapnel wounds so was taken to the hospital and bandaged up, then dropped at the train station as there was no transport to take him back to his base. He was standing there on the platform in his flying gear, bandages round him, and his valuable silk parachute under his arm. He was bewildered and embarrassed by the people lining up to shake his hand.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 10:37:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Interstellar

We watched it on DVD last night. A question … is it us, or was Matthew McConaughey virtually incomprehensible? A mixture I thought of slurred accent, very poor articulation, and the fact that it was obviously nearly all overdubbed so not matching any seen lip movements. OK, the plot is hard enough, but I haven't found any American film this hard to "hear and understand the words and accent" since Brokeback Mountain, which many British found unintelligible. I was so worried about my hearing - and I have a good sound system … that I put on Some Like It Hot to check. Crystal clear.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 03:35:00 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.155)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Have you beem to the new Pembina Sals to see the Winnipeg Jets guitar signed by both Neil Young AND Bobby Hull?

I got that factoid from the incredibly detailed book titled "Young Neil: The Sugar Mountain Years". Among many things it shows off just how incestuous the Canuck rock scene was/is. We have Neil the 15-year-old and school buddies Comrie Smith and Hal Greer learning to play together and going to a church basement to hear Terry Bush's band play "Baby Jean" and "Bo Diddley" in the Ronnie Hawkins style. A few years later, Bush would be Hawkins' lead guitarist (taking over for Troiano, who'd taken over for Robertson). A couple of years later, Hal Greer would be in Hawkins' group (with John Till and King Biscuit Boy). Comrie Smith would become 3's A Crowd's first bassist when they expanded from folk trio to rock band; the group's third bassist turned out to be Ken Koblun, Neil Young's sidekick in a couple of his Winnipeg bands, notably the Squires.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 02:43:10 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Peter Stone Brown interview with John Lee Hooker


Entered at Sun Aug 23 00:23:15 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: IPhone

Subject: Hair

Where did Donald Trump buy that hair? Think it's a nice topping.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 23:53:40 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Beware of Mr. Baker

Ginger Baker doc. (hilarious at 2’35”)

Stones: Perhaps their above average sized ears created a bond that kept them together for 50 years.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 22:57:07 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Subject: Love

Pete Brown (White Room) on Cream:

“They're great musicians. I don't like fakers, and Cream never faked it, not for a second. They loved what they did. Even when they didn't love one another that much, they loved what they were doing.”

(Note drummer Ginger Baker doesn’t look like a loving Creamer to me in the YouTube link :-)

There is an analogy with The Band here, except in The Band there was love, care, friendship.

Maybe the Band split because Robbie wrote the songs but Levon was the leader? (or there was no leader....even better?) and Robbie searched fulfillment elsewhere?

Anyway, why are the Stones still together in spite of their animosities? [Jagger: "I mean, The Rolling Stones, we have lots of, any internal group of people always have varying relationships with each other, so the dynamic changes.]. What made the difference? Was Jagger lost without the Stones? Or was it just luck?

We’ll never know and it doesn’t matter.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 18:30:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, at last … Four goals away! West Ham 3 Bournemouth 4. The relief here is palpable


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:37:40 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Parkie

Yeah - that was the same up by us Pete. Sounds, too, as if the Hitler muzzie and limp was a pre-requisite too!!

I just though the Millie was there to rhyme with chilly and hence the parky. I dunno. I just became attached to it years ago and don't wanna let go!!

:-0)

Always loved that track Jerry. My favourite Steely Dan song - and very possibly their least Steely Dannish number. Loved David Palmer's vocals.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:23:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: parkie (noun)

Couldn’t find a reference to ‘Park Road Millie’ but it sounds a good one. Why was it Park Road Millie? Was she a lady renowned for coldness?

“A parkie” was a park-keeper, a job that’s long gone, but round us, they wore blue semi-military or police uniforms with a cap, and patrolled play parks, or as we called them “recs” (recreation grounds). Our local parkie sported a Hitler moustache, a weird choice in the mid-1950s, and was of course known as ‘Hitler.’ He had a limp and was fond of citing his war service. It meant we could out-run him though. Years later, when I worked in the museum as a student, he’d been moved to this less “parky” duty (it was nice and warm in the museum). He still had the moustache. I discovered that his hobby was going to the sand dunes at Studland with a pair of binoculars and camera with telephoto lens, and observing “courting couples” as they were called.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:20:53 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Brooklyn (Owes The Charmer Under Me)

Susannah Mushatt Jones at 116 years (+47 days) is the oldest confirmed living person on earth. She is at the Vandalia nursing home in Brooklyn. The oldest man confirmed is 112 and in Japan. (recent story in news about him). Neither smoke nor drink.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:16:47 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Parky

So isn't it 'Park Road Milly' then P?

Huge disappointment if not the case. I've only just got over the crushing blow of Easter Bunny fer fecks sake. Now you're telling me Park Road Milly was a feckin hoax too!!!

What next?

Pat telling me Richard never played piano on Whispering Pines!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:01:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

'kosher' for 'genuine' is not "rhyming slang" but it is a "London-ism."


Entered at Sat Aug 22 12:58:59 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: parky

Interesting. I spent a while tracing this. All sorts of opinions, none clear. I'd thought it was 'parquet floor' (raw … i.e. cold). Variously on the net people claim it's 'Northern', 'Scottish' and 'Cockney.' Cobblers (cobblers awls … 'balls!'), as my parents and grandparents always said it in Dorset / Hampshire. I reckon it's one of those like 'Use your loaf' (loaf of bread = head, i.e 'think about it') and 'Tell porkies' (porkie pies = lies) that are used right across Britain.

Generally, rhyming slang derivations that are used right across Britain were from London, and spread in the military. For example, "kosher" in London meant "authentic", so if someone offered to sell you a Rolex watch for £10, you might say 'That's not a kosher Rolex.' My dad always used that, and working in the motor industry, a genuine Ford spare part for a Ford car was "kosher" but a generic spare part for a Ford card was "not kosher."

I tried it out and I don't think 'Growler' is well-known outside London.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 11:28:10 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Growler/Pop/Soda

Never heard of growler Pete.

My favourite cockney Rhyming slang has always been Parky - short for Park Road Milly [chilly] - definitely a term that found its way to every British nook and cranny

:-0)

Pop to us was always what we termed lemonade. But was only ever used in the phrase 'bottle of pop'. You'd never say i want a drink of pop. Only ever a drink of lemonade or as we'd say up here a lemmo.

Soda - only ever heard in connection with new York and doo wop never did get to know what it actually was. I guess our nearest usage was bicarbonate of soda.

Link is Brooklyn or is it Bronx's Dion recreating his doo wop days with his wonderful take on Brucie's beautiful 'If I Should Fall Behind'


Entered at Sat Aug 22 10:02:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lipstick On Your Collar

See the link. Connie Francis solves that vexed soda v pop question.

One for David P, the maps and discussions below them point to the generic use of the word 'coke' for any carbonated drink in the South, but someone from Georgia added the generic use of 'CoCola' for Georgia, which was new to me … I did know that the Real Thing originated in Atlanta.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 08:14:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Location: Under the sound of bow bells

Growler ... Rhyming slang from 'growl and grunt.' Rhyme on second word as usual. Used in the sexual sense, not in the personal insult sense. A.A Gill did a Sunday Times food review about it listing some amusing US signs he had seen. Growler for container is not known in Britain. While the rude rhyming slang is listed, I tried it on non-Londoners after the article, and recognition of the rude meaning was about one in five only. So not universal, which is why my warning was East End of London rather than UK.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 05:30:42 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Battle of Brooklyn

Linked


Entered at Sat Aug 22 04:00:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: BLIND WILLIE STATESBORO BLUES

Long distance between here & the Allmans. Larry Johnson. Harlem,N. Y., via Riceville , Georgia, a stop in between. Still breathing, not performing, Larry sounded like no one else. A Garth of the guitar in a way.....You could hear the influences, but never figure out how he did it. Piedmont blues.....overlooked, maybe even for the most part forgotten, but we're all in it's debt. ........Hard country .............yields hard people.......... and music that never stops playing somewhere or in some one's head


Entered at Sat Aug 22 02:38:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Blind Willie

East St Louis


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:51:33 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Naïveté is my co pilot

Peter - What's the rhythm thing with growler?


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:44:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: pop vs soda

Have a look at this site: popvssoda.com


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:36:56 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: MOJO

In the search of the origin of the MOJO, I've landed in 1831 Jamaica, Baptist War.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:42:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: POTUS parties on

Mr. Obama's Summer playlists ("Day" and "Night").

Going by what I recognize here, a pretty solid Boomer set of choices . . . .
Of note to me personally, it shares one (terrific) track with the Mrs.'s recent 'pool party playlist' ("Hot Fun in the Summertime"); I 'approve very strongly' of the Stones' choice ("Gimme Shelter"). Also, "You Don't Know Me" has a lot of resonance; Richard's solo version is the one thing I remember most vividly from the one The Band concert I was privileged to attend (one with the Cates, I think).


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:31:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pop is a sound, or an older man. Or short for a popsicle. Soda is soda water, carbonated soda water. By the time the info got a few pony express riders or stagecoach relays away from civilization here in the NorthEastern parts of the Americas., it got all fucked up. And there ya go. We understand. Right Landmark & Joan?. We don't agree with it, but we understand.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:15:18 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: The ultimate "Sody Pop"

No relation to me........if you've never tried it some of their products are hard to beat whether you like the sugar, or sugar free and other products. It's good stuff.

I'm not a soft drink lover either Jerry, however when I bought the Rockin Chair, the previous owner had left in the fridge some cans of "green tea" ginger ale. Now that stuff is good and really! settles your stomach.

Like you I eat half the bread on the sandwich. It's like lead in my gut. If I have fish and chips most places I generally pull off a lot of the batter. As with prawns. The worst thing you can do to the wonderful delicate taste of prawns is to put some grease soaked gawd damn batter on it. Same as they wrap bacon around scallops..AIIIIEEE!. I love bacon but to ruin a scallop with that greasy taste is immoral!

I again looked up Dr. Pepper, made in Waco, Texas beginning 125 years ago is said to be the first sody pop. However an Englishman discovered and began carbonating water in 17something or other.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:01:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Soda... what's soda? Carbs-the enemy

I never use the word 'soda'. Pop is what we always called it. Never drink the sugar stuff anymore. I can tolerate the sweetened stuff and I'm not worried about all the bad things that are said about sweeteners. Carbs are the enemy (though I love them dearly...I try to keep them to a minimum and certainly less than I used to consume 20 years ago). Pizza is the exception! As for burgers and sandwiches, I take 1 bread-side off and leave it behind.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 20:44:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Or the root beer too Joan. It's so rare i drink soda, but when i do, it's cream, root beer, black cherry, celray or orange. Or, a Manhattan Special - ITalian Coffee soda.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 20:29:26 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cherry Soda

Funny........I noticed it was either Jerry or Landmark used the word soda too. Out here soft drink has always been called "pop".

I know somewhere long ago, I read the first soda soft drink ever was "Dr. Pepper" which is cherry soda. If memory serves it comes from Texas. Remember the "Last Picture Show?"

Now I'm gettin' out on that big ol' Rockin Chair for a couple days. Y'all have a good weekend. I got to practise being a tourist.....one of these days I'll actually make it!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:47:57 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff

Subject: Dedication

Joan, Dr Brown's anything is great. Cel Ray, Cream, or Black Cherry.

Mike, in general I'm a toppings free guy. Great pizza needs nothing. I discovered that particular veggie pie cause of a friend. We sat down to dinner, in Paulie's pizza place, and she asked what about toppings. Shocked the hell out of me, cause I dont think about, Now we're both vegetarians, and I'm generally adverse to toppings unless i know they will eb great. So I asked her, what would you like, sardines? And she said, i can do sardine,s but this veggie pie looks good. So, being a gentleman,and having faith in Paulie, I said one veggie pie coming up.... Now, i had eaten the regular & fresh mozz pie in this place before, and had bs ed with the owner quite a bit, but gotta tell ya that veggie pie was a shock to me, cause i never had a veggie pie to die for before. This is to die for pie. The keys, obviously the crust & the preparation of everything, but each ingredient is fresh, & cut & if required, prepared special for the pie on order. No mass production. Custom, fresh, pie, made with dedication. Dedication to what's right, tradition, excellence, and satisfaction is what makes great food.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:15:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A growler store? If you find yourself in East London, David, never never ask if there's a growler store nearby. It's one of the most extreme American English / Cockney rhyming slang contrasts in meaning!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:06:32 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

joan

Subject: Landmark

I don't know about black Cherry soda but Dr Brown's cream soda. Some like The celray Tonic but i'LL stick with cream


Entered at Fri Aug 21 17:46:47 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Tube Steaks

There's a great charcuterie shop near me in Avondale that sells a fine variety of sausages, hot dogs, salami, bacon and other cured meats made on-site. It's conveniently located just around the corner from a growler store that offers around thirty varieties of draft beers & ales to go in quart & gallon jugs. They also have some non-alcoholic beverages such as root beer. Microbreweries are on the rise here in Georgia and there's two just down the street from the growler store.

Link above to Buck Owens' great 1957 song "Hot Dog."


Entered at Fri Aug 21 15:20:12 CEST 2015 from (212.21.66.6)

Posted by:

Dorothy

Subject: The Old Dixie Highway ..

I know it's only about a couple of miles or so long but why.. why..why?


Entered at Fri Aug 21 14:45:07 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan's children

Heard this on Radio 2 this morning . . . think of it as a companion piece to "Forever Young" (with a passing nod to "Sisters of Mercy").


Entered at Fri Aug 21 12:40:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Hot dogs in London

I recalled the story (1997) off an angry Prince Andrew confronting hot dog sellers outside Buckingham Palace because of the smell. I found the linked article. It seems hot dog vending is a semi-criminal enterprise in the UK!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 11:28:04 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Transatlantic Sessions

Thanks Rockin' Chair.

There are now 200 videos on You Tube of Transatlantic sessions. Musicians put together by Jerry Douglas and Ally Bain from both sides of the pond come together and play every year.

Well worth a look.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 05:29:14 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Biblical Decisions.

Hot Dog Authority.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 02:44:14 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Well Humph!

Well I'm assuming "Landmark" is an authority -:)

I make the best hot dogs in North America........make no mistake about it. Pure Beef jumbo dogs....never boiled or on those heat machines that rotisorie. That's all crap.

The dogs got to be on the barbecue or broiler. You add sautayed mushrooms and onions, chopped tomatoes and garlic baby dills and I make my own mustard mix....DON'T ASK ME!...I won't say.

I've been smoking & pickling fish and meat for 30 years. We even smoked deer meat tender loin. Although I don't do that any more because I don't hunt any more. I'm too damn old.

Pickled corn beef that is rinsed well and given a soft smoke is the best. You don't have to come from Montreal to know how to do that -:)


Entered at Fri Aug 21 02:21:20 CEST 2015 from (70.80.237.104)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Schwartz's is still the best. Abie's on the West Island is supposed to reopen as the West Island Deli. The guy worked at Schwartz's for years and managed to replicate their smoked meat recipe. Otherwise, Smoked Meat Pete's works in a pinch. By the way, Kevin, they would never ruin a Forum hotdog with relish. It was served with mustard only, not even plain as it would screw up the assembly process. Speaking of Schwartz's, I went to a supermarket not far from my house and picked up 2 12 packs of Cott's Black Cherry soda. The best drink to have with any deli order.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 23:58:42 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: God, red nu 'ns 'n underdog
Web: My link

Subject: Yankovic (Bob) & Jayhawks (Take Me With You When You Go)

I, man, am regal - a German am I
Never odd or even
If I had a hi-fi
Madam, I'm Adam
Too hot to hoot
No lemons, no melon
Too bad I hid a boot
Lisa Bonet ate no basil
Warsaw was raw
Was it a car or a cat I saw?

Rise to vote, sir
Do geese see god?
"Do nine men interpret?" "Nine men," I nod
Rats live on no evil star
Won't lovers revolt now?
Race fast, safe car
Pa's a sap
Ma is as selfless as I am
May a moody baby doom a yam?

Ah, Satan sees Natasha
No devil lived on
Lonely Tylenol
Not a banana baton
No "x" in "Nixon"
O, stone, be not so
O Geronimo, no minor ego
"Naomi," I moan
"A Toyota's a Toyota"
A dog, a panic in a pagoda

Oh no! Don Ho!
Nurse, I spy gypsies - run!
Senile felines
Now I see bees I won
UFO tofu
We panic in a pew
Oozy rat in a sanitary zoo
God! A red nugget! A fat egg under a dog!
Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog


Entered at Thu Aug 20 20:33:07 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The Boxer

That's a nice version Norm. Of course it was Fred Carter, Jr. who played the guitar & dobro overdubs with Paul Simon on the original S&G recording. He later recorded a version himself on an obscure LP I discovered one day in a record store (link above).


Entered at Thu Aug 20 19:45:19 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Shawn Colvin & Allison Kraus .. The Boxer

Thanks for that clip David. Doesn't she do a great job! On the side bar was that vid. of the Boxer.

My reason for noting it. To me this is the best this song could ever be done. As well as those ladies lovely voices together. Jerry Douglas' dobro is sad and wonderful. He has together a group of master musicians. As he plays through the verses his dobro is just at the perfect volume to be heard and enhance their singing. It doesn't get any better.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 19:04:03 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Shawn Colvin Uncovered

Shawn Colvin performing "Acadian Driftwood" live with Steuart Smith. She recorded a version for her upcoming album "Uncovered," to be released on Sept. 25.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 18:45:45 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.134)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: thanks for the link to the Ducats. I used to have that 45, and may still, but I never managed to find their '65 LP or their earlier indie rockabilly 45. They went country later on, recording as the Country Ducats.

A couple points came to mind reading John D's post about Terry Danko a couple days ago. First, it hadn't occurred to me before how easy it is to confuse Atkinson, Danko and Ford with the later Andersen, Danko and Fjord. Second, the CNE Bandshell at which the TLW tribute band will play is the same place I saw Bob Seger back in '72. Likely the same price too - free with admission to the park grounds. Today's paper ran a couple articles on the history of the Bandshell. One noted that hit-parade music arrived in '49, as tamely sung by the all-women Leslie Bell Singers. (All women except for the leader, Richard Leslie Bell, father of the future Band member of the same name.) the other article mentioned the performance by the group Brave Belt, who were on the cusp of global stardom under a new name, Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Brave Belt played right after Seger, I believe, though I wandered away after Bob so missed the nascent BTO. I did wander back for some later acts that afternoon / evening (it was Youth Day), including the closer, the Mike Quatro Jam Band (which consisted of Quatro and a drummer, whose name I remember as Kirk Elliott). Appraently the closing act in 2014 was April Wine, who were the closing act in '71 when I saw them. (


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:51:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Brooklyn Mail Mystery

Gotta go along with Kev's findings.

Deffo that Jeff mistook Pete's card for one of them veggie pizza pies and woofed it down in one bite.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:24:22 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Mild Victoria and sometimes cold and snowy Toronto

Subject: Canada and igloos

Norm: Rain in Vic? What's that? A small amount maybe 2 weeks ago for a few minutes. That was it. As for cold, I took pictures when it snowed 'decently' about 5 years ago. Not lately.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:18:57 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Responding

Good morning! It is 08:13 AM here at least. NWC that is a nice picture of a fine looking old ship.

Jerry, now I guess I'm going to have to go to Noo Yawk to find out. I need to get down there to visit my old friend Lars any way. I've owed him a visit for a few years now.

Isn't it amazing how they talk about Canada and our "Frozen North". In New York, Wisconsin, Conneticut and down a lot of that eastern sea board they have very harsh winters. Here we enjoy very mild weather and little snow. When was the last time it rained in Vic. Jerry?


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:01:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sandwiches in 2015

Norm: I'm looking forward to hearing from the Montreal contingent on the smoked meat/corned beef situation for 2015. Then of course, NYC and Brooklyn will add their view that nothing beats what is found in those delis. And they are probably correct. We'll listen and learn.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 16:53:32 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Corned Beef and smoked meat sandwiches

Norm: I agree about Moxie's Montreal smoked beef sandwich. It isn't Schwartz's (still my favourite) but it is good! When your not in Montreal, its nice to see that a chain is trying hard to make it good. Victoria's Moxies and Toronto's does that just fine. For corned beef, The Pickle Barrel in Toronto consistently provides a top notch sandwich. Sadly, there is no real good deli that I can find in Victoria.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 15:42:32 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Highway 61 Revisited revisited

This looks interesting - H61R revisited by Watkins Family Hour and Friends. The 'friends' include Al Kooper and Shawn Colvin; the Hour includes Fiona Apple and Benmont Tench.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 12:06:49 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Old-timers

A pic of a local ... errr ... old-timer. Especially to Rockin Chair :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 20 02:31:35 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Music....what else!

Damn...that's good stuff Joe.On the side bar from your video was this vid of George Jones.....playing that monster song of his. On the Ronnie Prophet Show.

I played music in the Bootlegger Cabaret with Ronnie in 1979. He signed that old guitar strap of mine. It's so old now all those 100 or so names on it are all fading now.

Ronnie has a son named Tony. He lived out in the Vancouver area for some time. Don't know if he still does. He was a hell of a guitar player, as well as his gigs he taught guitar. We used to run into each other at a lot of jan sessions.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 01:50:34 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: 55 years in R & R

Listened to one of my rock n roll heroes being interviewed on radio the other day. Lewis "Butch' Skinner, best known as a member of the 60s Newfoundland band, the Ducats, was reminiscing about jamming with Scotty Moore, Bill Black, Willie Rainsford and Chet Atkins and backing up Little Richard and Chubby Checker. Said he bought a left handed Gibson (Everly Bros. model) in a Toronto pawn shop and after much persuasion , sold it to Paul McCartney.

Lew is still very much in the game and waxes enthusiastic about the new generation of musicians.

Link is to the Ducats version of the Jagger/Richards 'Off the Hook' from mid 60s.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 01:13:07 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bassmanlee

You are very welcome my friend. I'm sure every one will agree it is great fun to share some really good music with others here.

There were a lot more of the videos of these concerts on youtube. Unfortunately many of them have been taken away. On the one you have watched I particularly enjoy ol' Mickey Gee's guitar leads. Love the way those guys do these songs. There is a real talented bunch that Bill Wyman got together for these shows.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:59:12 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks Jeff and Calvin. Interesting.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:54:31 CEST 2015 from (70.194.226.35)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Mag Tapes of the Last Waltz

Well, as Robbie is who donated them I'd guess they'll prove he did catch the fly.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:46:30 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

News Flash: The Society Of American Archivists have called a news conference for August 2025 at which they will announce the results of a decade long study of TLW Tapes……….most insiders believe the major finding will be that guitarist Robbie Robertson most definitely DID NOT catch the fly.

Norm: Yes ! Malt vinegar – not just vinegar…..too many times over the years at pubs have I been disappointed when told they don’t have malt vinegar – especially brasseries in Quebec…..the rest of the country is pretty good on that front.

Thanks, Calvin. Interesting actually.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:45:48 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.148)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ahah Mike :-), you're paying close attention.. Maybe I shoulda wrote: Average sex at 56......


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:06:11 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: 1st add Pies

Interesting, Jeff. That's quite the slice you favor.

But . . . define average sex.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 21:38:11 CEST 2015 from (70.194.226.35)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Mag Tapes of the Last Waltz

So I'm an archivist. Which means at the moment I'm at the Society Of American Archivists National Meeting this week. Specifically I'm sitting in a meeting about Archiving recorded sound.

Why does this matter to you? Because our guest speaker is from the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and he just showed a picture of a whole bunch of magnetic Tapes they recently had donated to them from the Last Waltz, and he said part of the agreement for the donation was they had to go through them all looking for anything was previously unknown.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 20:49:25 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.148)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Well Mike, I'm a vegetarian who eats fish. So that eliminates the meat toppings. I prefer a topping free pie. Regular Brooklyn pie, or fresh mozz, or white cheese pie. But, one place where I go has a veggie pie, well,eating this pie is better than having average sex.....fresh mozzarella, sautéed spinach, black olive, artichoke hearts and sun-dried tomato. The crust is perfect, seems a little thick, but it's not really. And even with these ingredients you can fold the pie after the first bite. All the ingredients Paulie uses are fresh, they sautee the spinach when they make the pie. You taste the freshness, & of course, the garlic. And the sundried tomatoes give a great taste of balsamic vinegar...It's a killer pie..... First few times I had it we ordered the pie, sat with a bottle of vino..About a month ago I stopped in, got 2 slices off the veggie pie on the counter, expecting it not to be as good. I was pleasantly surprised that it was just as delish, they start the day with a fresh pie & keep making fresh ones for the counter...Nothing left from the day before.... I can go for mushroom & olives on a pie, aleej ( sardines), other things a guy i know swears by potatoe & onion pies at Sallys in New Haven....But I really enjoy a great slice of plain old abeez!

Brooklyn native working class kids starting families are boxed out here. Stuck in renting apartments for exhorbitant amounts of money. Working several jobs, which never was unusual here.. But lifestyles are getting altered. Having kids, marriage getting put off. If you're like me & start conversations with strangers all day long, Things are kinda different here than before, you don't run across many middle class young couples that are Brooklyn native. You see piles of young couples that are made up of non native New Yorkers, yuppie or hipster or huppy type, and a ton of foreign born young couples with kids. The native kids that often end up leaving, well they could go anywhere The ones that stay, hopefully they get to rent an apartment in a family members or friends two or three family house.... But to give you an idea, I live in Sheepshead Bay. Which used to be costly compared to northern Brooklyn. Today, because almost as far from The City as you can be, we're one of the least costly places to live. A 2 bedroom cooperative apartment starts around 240K. And you still have about a 700 buck monthly maintenace fee. Houses start round 550K.A middle class young couple can't swing that.... You gotta be grandfathered in, or born rich or get lucky to live here today.. I'm guessing you missed this, I recently made a video for Blues For Brooklyn. Linked.

Put that 2 bedroom coop in northern brooklyn Dunc, double the starting price. Some go for a million or two. Regular people are getting boxed out....You asked where do they go? The businessmen don't care.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 19:45:57 CEST 2015 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Chris Rea

Rocking Chair, thanks for that Willie and the Poor Boys link. I only knew Chris Rea from that disk and had no familiarity with his rather extensive catalog. Listening (somewhat guiltily) to selections on YouTube, currently Shamrock Diaries. Good, interesting stuff. Oh, and a few brief glimpses there of one of my faves, Andy Fairweather-Low on that Poor Boys clip. Thanks again.

PSV, this luddite still writes and mails checks and never deposits checks on the ATM. I have bowed to the new millennia and keep the check ledger on the computer. With a paper backup, of course!


Entered at Wed Aug 19 19:25:04 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Enjoyed the posts

Glad To see you posting, David P.

Jeff:I enjoy the Brooklyn posts. If you are young and from a Brooklyn family and you are ready to get your own place, can you afford to buy in Brooklyn. If not, where do you set up home?

Peter, you can find postcards which say will be home late this evening as I'm working overtime tonight.

Kevin. Love BARK's 'Down By The Henry Moore'. Was surprised when I read that the guy who wrote it was born up the road from here.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:43:40 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fries??

KEVIN!!!.........Where HAAAVE you been. Since 1958 when I was in high school....right across the road from the high school was a little old trailer with an addition built on to it that housed a few tables and fold up chairs. A couple of young ladies served up the finest hot dogs, burgers and fries. The order was ALWAYS! malt or apple cider vinegar for your fries. Non of that clear synthetic shit they call "white vinegar". The real deal.

Now for many years one strong choice of many is fries & gravy. A few years ago we began being assaulted with the choice of "dem dare guys", poutine, gravy & goat cheese kurds.........not bad tho'.

At Moxie's in Campbell River, those chefs serve up a "Montreal Beef" sandwich that is unequalled. Stacked high and the smoked beef is to perfection. I have been a lover of "corn beef" my entire life, (and with cabbage sometimes). I do a great job with a corn beef briscuit myself!


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:28:17 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: post-post post

Wrote a letter this morning
Put it in your hat

I got a message in the mail
Ferdinand was thrown in jail

Postal workers . . . another sector erased by technology, like the express riders, hostlers, foot couriers, smoke signallers and drummers they displaced . . . .

Thirty years ago, I worked for a few weeks in a sorting plant. At that time, "mail carrier" reliably took the top spot as the healthiest / least stressful occupation -- fresh air and exercise, social interaction, no strategy conferences. The sorting job (essentially, read the scrawled postal code and key it into the gizmo that bar-coded the envelope) was hell itself. Like any keypunch job. Accuracy and speed inversely related, but the overseers wanted impossible levels of both.

Like RC, we do all business on line. We'll send a batch of cards by mail at Xmas, otherwise zero.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:24:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Band on stamp

And thanks to BEG, I can see that very fine Canadian stamp now.

The British classic albums set was pretty good too (linked) as was the truly great Beatles albums set.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:09:17 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Only one country I know of has ever had a member of The Band on a stamp - nuff said !

Mike Nomad's question re: toppings on pizza’s, etc. makes for an interesting discussion……..At the legendary Montreal Forum, the hotdogs sold there during hockey games were famous and considered by many to be the very best in the land. While ‘steamies” are considered THE Quebec dish, the Forum actually prepared toasted dogs….the catch was that only mustard and relish were available. They would not here of anything else being put on it ! In Montreal, it is also considered a crime against civilization to butter a bagel…..and bagels and smoked meat are two other food items that really differentiate Quebec from the rest of the country and continent. Mel Brooks once shut down a movie set and moved the entire production out of Toronto based entirely on his dissatisfaction with the quality of bagels available….There are too many differentiating food habits to mention here, one that springs to mind is toppings on French fries…….Folks in or from the USA, usually always opt for ketchup. Canadians and many Europeans, mayonnaise, British, vinegar.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:54:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My ‘post to Scotland’ example reinforces the ‘local delivery office’ issue. There are regular mail flights from the South Coast to Scotland so most of the route is in the automated systems. Local to local never gets into the automated systems.

I can’t recall dissing Stax / Volt, though I would have mentioned that it’s a replica (on the correct site) while Sun Studios is the actual floorboards upon which Elvis, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash stood. And yes, I had my photo taken on the spot where the vocal mic was placed, holding an actual 1950s Sun mic.

The story behind U.S. Male (great) is another fascinating Elvis v the Colonel one. Guitar Man, US Male and Big Boss Man were all cut in one session. They had to employ Jerry Reed to play on Elvis’s cover of Guitar Man because no one else could get it, apparently.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:41:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

'Gone Empire!" Splutter! Splutter! I will remind you that only one nation in the world does not have to put its name on stamps, and that's because we invented them. The monarch's head says it all. Shakespeare said it best:

This precious stone set in the silver sea,

Which serves it in the office of a wall

Or as a moat defensive to a house

Against the envy of less happier lands

So no "US Mail" or "Canada" printed on stamps for us! Humph. The envy of less happier lands indeed.

But you know, stamps are going too. There used to be great pictorials, but now they just have a few in for collectors. We always bought interesting stamps because once upon a time a lot of kids from various countries used to write in because of our text books, and they'd be forwarded by our publisher. We prided ourselves on sending replies on postcards with colourful pictorial stamps. Then we were advised not to send nice stamps to certain countries, because it increased the risk of the letters being diverted in the post. Now you take it to the post office and they put a stamp from a printer on it. We still make sure we get "nice stamps" and stick them on but it's getting harder. Local post offices get very few now.

The post is surely going to wither considerably. Utilities companies in the UK now charge £10 extra on your utility bills for handling a cheque. It makes me angry as elderly relatives pay this surcharge (which in the mealy-mouthed way of large companies is described as a "fee waived if you pay online.") The European banks have discussed abolishing cheques altogether. In 2011 they announced cheques would cease in 2018. They had to rescind that after public outcry. But it will happen eventually.

Greetings card shops are everywhere … the profit margin on selling a piece of card for £2.90 is clearly gigantic. But what will happen to them as the postal service gets less reliable? And inexorably, as volume goes down it does. We used to get all our post before 11 am everywhere. Now we get it at 4 pm. We used to be able to send stuff first class post with a 95% chance of someone receiving it early the next day in the UK. No longer.

The weird thing in the UK, is post from Poole to Scotland and vice versa arrives next day. But post from an address in Poole to another address in Poole can take two or three days. We used to post birthday cards the day before. Now you have to allow two or three days.

We were looking in a vintage shop. In the 1890s, people posted Christmas cards on the 24th and they were delivered on the 25th … to any address in the UK.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:41:30 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

The late great Jerry Reed addresses the critics of the U.S.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:22:10 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: pies

Jeff, I'd be curious to know: what do you usually prefer on a slice, or are you a purist . . . relatively toppings-free? As I said, merely curious.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:19:38 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Let’s cut to the chase, it’s Jeff who’s been pinching those envelopes going to Brooklyn……..in all seriousness. I am also a big fan of the postal service – In Canada, at least. A standard letter sent between Toronto and Montreal is 85 cents and items almost always arrive within 2 days – 3 days tops…….Courier is 10 to 20 times that and often takes 2 days……To certain parts of the country like areas of British Columbia a courier from Toronto can take 4 days…..These discussions and complaints often have me thinking of that Bill Gates line where he once said “ah, newspapers, imagine if they hadn’t existed and someone came up with the idea and system of taking all the best bits of the infinite electronic news out there and put it in paper form and had it DELIVERED to your front door by 6:00am every day for about 50cents a day ! That inventor would be hailed a genius.”


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:17:59 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Postal??.....Just ask NEWMAN! or Cliffy

I'm sure you receive as I do Jerry, the pressures from our utilities such as BC Hydro, credit card companies, Telus. GO-GREEN......receive your bill on line and save paper.

All our utility bills are now paid on line. Sitting at the desk here paying bills then printing the confirmation from your bank on a page. I hand it over to the desk beside me. (My wife, book keeper) and it's all done. As a stamp now costs over a dollar, and the price of checks, envelopes and on and on. No one in their right mind would waste the time and exspense to use the postal service.

The large companies that I do work for like Interfor. We e mail invoice to them. In less than 2 weeks they do electronic deposit to our account and send us e mail advise the deposit has been made.

The postal service when we lived in Powell River used to go across on the ferry, Powell River to Courtenay. 3 or 4 years ago for some reason they quit that. Now mail from Powell River to the north island has to go through Vancouver. It generally takes a week. I use the postal service only when necessary. Their "express post" which is supposed to guarantee overnight cost $12 for a gawd damn letter. That is bullshit.

So Newman on Seinfeld and old Cliffy on....what was the name of that bar show....it just left my head....well they are all "Fired"......that reminds me of you Yankees hero "Donald Trump".\ Isn't it amazing how idiots like him and that old Ross Perault could make a mockery of the US elections. I remember Robin Williams saying Ross looked like a Ferengy, did I spell that right.

Well Trump looks like Alfred E Newman.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 16:38:20 CEST 2015 from (100.11.74.162)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Postal Service

I fully support the US Mail and have found them to be the most reliable deliverer. I like buying stamps, I like paying bills by mail. The United Parcel Service as I recently found out waiting for a pick up doesn't let its workers use cell phones. So much for the 21st century. The only reason the United States Postal Service is in debt is because of an insane law requiring it to fund pensions 70 years in advance. It happens to be the largest employer in the US. A certain person from a tiny gone empire across the pond loves to complain. He didn't like the Stax Volt Museum either. :)


Entered at Wed Aug 19 15:14:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: Postal services; What say you?

I admire the support given to national post offices by those who worked in them and use them. However, I think the writing is on the wall. Like so many older institutions (film industry, recording industry etc), they are trying to redefine themselves to continue to exist in the face of evolving technology. Postal delivery to homes are disappearing in Canada. We are not confident in that phenomenon anymore. The express delivery works very well nationally and works well, competing with UPS and Fedex and others. Clearly, this is a change in the character of the postal service. Remember when we paid our bills by post, sent greetings by post, sent personal letters by post (aside from telephone and telegram, there were no other choices). I'd say that we purchase 1/10 the number postage stamps for mail that we did only 10-15 years ago. With that comes the inevitable reduction of services and what I perceive as a slow erosion in the service. I have a lot of respect for what was done in the past and for the continuing efforts of the people involved, but even those who work in the system tell me that things have changed to the negative. Discuss?


Entered at Wed Aug 19 14:47:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mrs V was looking in "The Birthday Book" a kind of oblique astrology, listing the famous people born on a particular day of the year … it's not true astrology in that it only looks at the day and sun sign. She was looking up Labour leadership front runner Jeremy Corbyn.

May 26th. Interestingly, a date shared with both Levon Helm and Stevie Nicks.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 12:38:45 CEST 2015 from (89.105.194.71)

Posted by:

Dorothy

Does anyone know anything about Robbie's book and whether or not he will do the score to the new film abut the Chicago Fair/ serial killer of 1893. I can't find anything about the latter


Entered at Wed Aug 19 07:44:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Post- sorry, a rant it was. I had just phoned to find another card had never arrived. The investment in a greetings card is high. First, Mrs V will have spent ten minutes in each of four shops selecting a card. The card costs half as much as a paperback book, but it’s only basically a book cover. Then we get the grandkids to sign it, or draw or scribble something. Then, knowing the very fine lines now being drawn on dimensions and weight, we take it to a post office so we know it’s right. Then we pay three to four times what the same card cost five years ago to send to the USA.

I worked delivering Christmas post for seven years; the last two years of high school (sixth form) and five years in higher education. Two weeks a year, and yes, it was in those colder days sometimes trudging through snow. (Luxury! I hear you say. I bet you had shoes. We used to deliver it in bare feet …).

The weak part of any postal system is local sorting and delivery. From the Air Mail bag at the post office all the way to the local delivery office in the USA is basically automated. Our current postman is great. But when he’s on holiday, things are different. We get post through our letter box for other addresses. Then we get no post one day (highly unusual) and a double load the next. Yes, the issue can be at either end. Usually delivery is the end where things go wrong. When our son lived in Chicago, post took three days maximum. In Brooklyn, seven to eight is normal. Guaranteed delivery doesn’t work on time either. OK, a decade has seen changes. But it doesn’t get through. Next year, I’ll spend the same money but send a DVD or book from amazon.com for the actual days.

Couriers are not perfect, but this summer UPS has been getting Create Space proofs from South Carolina to England in two days every time. Various publishers will send a single page by courier rather than post.

They do go wrong with couriers. This was a dozen years ago, and I think Fedex. At that time we had regular Fedex US deliveries, mainly illustration samples. One day a bulky pack arrived. I didn’t look at the packet. I just opened it, to find half frame transparencies of the latest General Motors car… or as it turned out, the secret forthcoming car. It was addressed to Vauxhall in the UK (GM), 120 miles away. Instead of calling Fedex, I called Vauxhall. They sent a car 120 miles immediately to collect it. I left them to argue it out with Fedex.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 05:53:46 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Canuucki Kid

Article about a street smart, caring, & considerate young man.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 05:08:00 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Lucali Article

Jerry, the guy is regular Brooklyn, as the article indicates.
BTW, that technique of his for locking the door from inside, whenever i'm in a hotel or motel, aside from locking the door, i additionally jam a chair under it. Just good habit. But see, how marketing works- Lucali usually gets promoted at Broolyn Heights, though it is Carrol Gardens. .. anyway, hard to say about forks & knives. probably give you forks & knives there. One day I'll find out. But, i got two pizzerias i love in Carrol Gardens, and another pizza restuarant named Sam's on Court street that i would go to before Lucali. Sam's been around forever. And it's old school Brooklyn. I'm just really in no hurry to go to Lucali......


Entered at Wed Aug 19 04:50:49 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lucali is not a pizzeria Jerry. It is a pizza restaurant. Very different. I've wanted to give it a shot, & expect it is great. I've just never managed to do it....there might be a wait- & the thought of waiting for a table for pizza, well, it bugs me. I waited 15 minutes at Totonno's in Coney Island, but that's different.....it's not a fancy place in Brooklyn Heights, you're waiting on the street, on Neptune Avenue, in Coney Island, where you can still get whacked just for fun.. Brooklyn Heights, well, it's kinda toney... Totonno's, they give you the pie, & plates. But know not to give you forks & knives. I'm not sure about Lucali's, but i see forks & knives with pizza, they lose points. Most of these pizza restaurants, they give you forks & knives.... I tried Roberta's, forks & knives. Top of the pies were great, the crust, well, somewhere between pizza crust & a tortilla. No joke. But the rest of the pie was great....


Entered at Wed Aug 19 04:15:21 CEST 2015 from (74.75.66.43)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: U.S. Postal Service

I use the U.S. Postal Service all the time, never had a big problem with it. You are making an quite a few assumptions Viney. I know quite a few people who work for the service as well, and they are far from disgruntled. Maybe you should take a look at yourself before you rant....


Entered at Wed Aug 19 03:56:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lucali

Jeff A: What about Lucali? Somebody at NY Times likes it today. I know you said there are many excellent pizzerias serving the best in Brooklyn. But what about Lucali?


Entered at Wed Aug 19 03:15:06 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- you are making an assumption that has equal possibility of being right or wrong. It is just as likely that the wankers in your postal system lost your cards intended for your son and his family. I use the USPS 99.9% of the time., i prefer it to UPS & Fed EX. In 2012 i sent three large boxes from St Louis to NYC by UPS. Since then, only USPS.I ship things frequently, never have trouble.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Not always

Peter: Received a birthday greeting card in a timely manner at a Toronto address last week from London (not Ontario) UK. (not my birthday; someone close to me) Sometimes it works. But yes, we have problems in our postal system also. This may be the result of the reduction in the need to put a stamp on an envelope to communicate. Lack of practice makes for less than perfect for those who used to do this much better.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 23:22:35 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Hooked

To all regulars, visitors, occasionals, lurkers and other junkies:

Multitasking, e.g. working, painting, writing, singing, or sex AND posting simultaneously is rather inefficient …. we’re hooked on all those little dopamine (reward) shots.

Professional advice: concentrate for 45 minutes on one thing and then post or twitter …… work 2x faster.

Ok I’m off, back to the 45 (please don’t react …. tee-totaling here).


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Band GB agility contest

I'm working on it.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 21:35:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The US Mail

Shut down the US Mail! Three times this year we have bought expensive greetings cards, taken them to the UK post office, had them weighed and stamped and sent them winging their way to the correct address in Brooklyn with the full zip code. None of them ever arrived. Next year we won't bother. Then the disgruntled US postal workers will wonder why they no longer have a job!


Entered at Tue Aug 18 16:51:17 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: There are 1352 guitar pickers in Nashville

Ronnie Hawkins would follow up with two albums recorded in Nashville for Monument Records and producer Fred Foster in 1972 & 1973. Those sessions would result in "Rock 'n Roll Resurrection" and "Giant of Rock 'n Roll." Featured were the cream of Nashville sessions musicians including former Hawk Fred Carter, Jr. Other familar names with Band connections include Stan Szelest and Tim Drummond.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 14:37:48 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Terry Danko

Bill M mentions Atkinson Danko and Ford in his last post. Terry will join Jerome Avis, Lance Anderson various guests and a All-Star Band; at the Bandshell; on Aug. 30th. They will perform songs from The Last Waltz. The Bandshell has been around for decades; on the C.N.E. grounds. You can count on Terry to sing some of his late brothers songs as well as play bass. Terry is his own man and a great talent.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 14:36:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Recording off vinyl

I had a chat with a record dealer the other day who specializes in collectable classical (an unusual area). We were talking about hiss, crackle and static and he gave me a simple tip. Play it twice. Record the second time … the first play takes a lot of static out as well as tiny particles of dust. Ideally, clean the record. Play it. Then clean it again. Play and record the second playing. It doesn't always work, but sometimes the result is astonishing. I just tried it with a 45 that looked clean, sounded awful. By the third clean and play it was great.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 09:37:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Muscle Shoals

Amazon's guessing just sent me news of a forthcoming release …"Reaching Out - Chess at FAME Studios" (August 28th). Good guess, and I've ordered it. From the description:

After leasing several masters from Fame's Rick Hall in the mid-60s, Chess started to send their own artists to Muscle Shoals. In 1967 and 1968 some of the best records the company issued were recorded at FAME, including several that revitalised the career of their flagship female artist, Etta James. "Reaching Out" features at least one recording from every Chess-signed act who recorded at FAME, a good many of which have never been on CD before (including unissued goodies from Maurice & Mac and Mitty Collier).

It's on Ace's ever-reliable Kent label. Ace issues of soul are consistently the best with definitive liner notes too.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 06:11:27 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Nice to see the attention paid to Ronnie Hawkins' "Down In The Alley", which did well on the local charts. Thanks to David P for the post about Ronnie's second Cotillion LP, recorded at Criteria. While the US pressing had the Dixie Flyers throughout, the Canadian pressing had different - and to my ears superior - versions of two songs, "Patricia" and "Lonely Weekends", on which Hawkins used his exceptionally tight regular backing band, aka Atkinson, Danko and Ford, with Hilton and Brockie. The Danko was of course Terry, who with age-old buddy Jim Atkinson played on and off with Rick Danko post OQ. Since Mavis Staples has also been mentioned of late, I'll add that the Hilton of that version of the Hawks, Brian Hilton, soon returned to British Columbia to rejoin eventual super-producer David Foster in Skylark, whose wonderful frontman, Donny Gerrard, is now (or was very recently) Mavis's principal onstage vocal foil.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 04:31:46 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: More Chris Rea...Willie & The Poor Boys... Baby Please don't go

These shows were some of the best rock & roll ever played. I t took me a while back when I first saw these to place all the players.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 23:23:09 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Das Beil von Wandsbek
Web: My link

Subject: Muddy & Lars

Muddy Waters - Live Dortmund, Germany 29/10/1976
(Muddy Waters Rhythm & Blues Band ZDF)

Muddy Waters: Vocals
Guitar Luther Johnson: Guitar
Bob Margolin: Guitar
Jerry Portnoy: Harmonica
Pinetop Perkins: Piano
At the end Junior Wells plays a few songs along

One hour - Five minutes & Thirteen seconds Band time feeling.

Lars how's your back?


Entered at Mon Aug 17 22:21:54 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Hawk

Ronnie Hawkins worked with Tom Dowd and Duane Allman again for his 1971 Cotillion album "The Hawk" at Criteria Studios in Miami, where Mr. Dowd had relocated his recording projects. Also featured were the Criteria "house band" the Dixie Flyers, augmented by Duck Dunn on bass and the Memphis Horns. The Flyers, from Memphis, consisted of Charlie Freeman on guitar, Jim Dickinson on piano, Mike Utley organ and Sammy Creason on drums. Mr. Utley has been a fixture in Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefer Band since the '70s, where he's served as band leader.

The late great James Luther Dickinson, father of Luther and Cody of the North Mississippi Allstars, happened to be at the right place at the right time in late 1969. Writer Stanley Booth, who was hanging out with the Rolling Stones, invited his friend Dickinson to the Stones recording session at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio. As fate would have it, Mr. Dickinson ended up playing the "tack" piano on "wild Horses."


Entered at Mon Aug 17 21:53:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Road to Hell

On the album, bass is credited to Eoghan O'Neill.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 19:43:50 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Chris Rea

Does anyone know the bass player on Chris Rea's highway to hell. It looks a lot like Rick Danko in the kind of build and the way he moved I did not get a really good look at the face but there was a lot about him that reminded me of Rick


Entered at Mon Aug 17 18:38:04 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Muscle Shoals Sound Studio Timeline

The second Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section left Rick Hall's FAME studio to start their own studio at 3614 Jackson Highway in nearby Sheffield. Jerry Wexler had fallen out with Hall and worked out a deal with the new Muscle Shoals Sound group.

Their first major project was Cher's appropriately titled "3614 Jackson Highway" album released in June 1969. The first big hit recorded there was R.B, Greaves' "Take a Letter Maria" from his self-titled LP released in August 1969. Boz Scaggs recorded his self-titled Atlantic debut album there, which was also released in August. Ronnie Hawkins recorded there the following month.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 17:45:30 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Down In the Alley

David P: thanks for that link - a terrific blues band (Allman, Cushnie, Newell, and the Muscle Shoals boys), but they sure could use a singer. Or, instead of double-tracking Rompin''s insipid vocal, they shoulda pissed him off somehow - messed up the upholstery in the 'lac, or something . . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 17 17:22:25 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sadavid

Yer welcome Sadavid, and thanks for the come back with that copy. I have to tell you I listened to that one at the same time I found Mavis' copy.

The wonders of this internet. I must have listened to at least a dozen different versions. Same as that John Fogerty, Bob Seger clip I found. It's all very enjoyable.......driving yer wife nuts, hollering "put your head phones on!"


Entered at Mon Aug 17 17:06:28 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Down in the Alley

Ronnie Hawkins' "Down in the Alley," from his Cotillion LP, did get airplay here in Atlanta on a progressive FM station upon its release in September 1969. This was due to the appearance of Duane Allman, who at the time was establishing a following here with the Allman Brothers Band. Their debut ATCO LP would be released the following month. Despite the Muscle Shoals musicians, Jerry Wexler and Tom Dowd on board, the Hawk's album didn't live up to its potential in my opinion. I believe the inclusion of the "folk" material was the weakness. If he'd stuck with harder-edged material, perhaps it would had been more successful at the time. The album was finally released on CD by the Wounded Bird label in 2011.

"Down in the Alley" was written by Jesse Stone a/k/a Charles Calhoun and first recorded by the Clovers in the '50s and later by Elvis in 1966. Mr. Stone also wrote "Shake Rattle and Roll," "Money Honey," and "Smack Dab in the Middle."


Entered at Mon Aug 17 16:33:16 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Hard Times Come Again No More

Rockin Chair - thanks for the link to Mavis . . . have a listen to this version featuring another Last Waltz soundstage alumna (plus a bunch of other fine singers).


Entered at Mon Aug 17 14:13:42 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Chris Rea

Agreed Peter. Chris Rea is great. He was involved in the Willie the Poor Boys shows too. I loved them and he did some great work there as well.

Here is linked his "Road to Hell" video. This is dynamite!


Entered at Mon Aug 17 13:08:30 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: More Chris Rea

Stainsby Girls … live in 1986. Wonderful guitar playing too. I've seen him three times … every time a sell out ages before the gig too. Last time was a first morning on sale sell out.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 10:27:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Steel River

On the basis of amazon’s “If you like this, you’ll like that” idea, I’d always thought that if you liked Bruce Springsteen, you’d probably like Bob Seger and John Fogerty. The other one I place with them is Chris Rea. OK, English, but similar strong deep voice, blue collar image and rock delivery (and a notable guitarist too). Stainsby Girls? Steel River? Love them both. Steel River linked.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 04:13:44 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: RESPECT!

Strolling thru the memories of this music I stumbled on this video. We very often get to see how these masters of music and words of Rock & Roll respect and appreciate each others work.

Here is Bob Seger and John Fogerty singing together one of John Fogerty's classics. This song is very special to me. I had a brother Craig, (I named my son after him. My son has his own band.) My brother Craig was killed in a logging accident and only 21, in 1973. I have missed him every day of my life. This was Craig's favourite song.

To see Bob Seger sing this with John Fogerty is something I wish I could share with Craig right now.........."Who'll stop the Rain"......don't miss this.


Entered at Mon Aug 17 00:07:39 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Johnston

R.I.P. Mr. Johnston. What a magnificent talent!


Entered at Sun Aug 16 20:36:07 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bob Johnson

Don't forget that Bob Johnson produced "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte" for Patti Page way back then. He was a talent for that business pretty unequalled back then.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 20:16:56 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nashville Skyline - JC At San Quentin

Amen -


Entered at Sun Aug 16 19:34:47 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.8)

Posted by:

Bill M

I've always thought that "Copper Kettle" is one of Dylan's best, most feelingest performances. Produced by the other Bob, Johnston.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 19:11:42 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bob Johnston, Amen.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 18:51:11 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

For those with kids, grandkids or clinical psychiatrists, or the young at heart, my review of "Inside Out."


Entered at Sun Aug 16 17:30:13 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: the 60's

Just for you Bill.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 16:16:28 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Just crackin wise

No need Bill. I was just goofing off. I'm jealous. I missed my one chance to see Bob. Now I' trying to remember when it was. I drove all the way down Vancouver Island one time years ago. Was supposed to meet my brother to go to a concert. Fell asleep in a lounge and missed the whole thing(:-


Entered at Sun Aug 16 14:25:19 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.14)

Posted by:

Bill M

Rockin C: Sorry Norm. I wasn't criticising you and others here fof forgetting Seger's "Ramblin' Man", I was expressing disppointment that the rest of the crowd at the 1972 show in Toronto showed no sign of remembering the song - a big and memorable hit from just three years before.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 13:28:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You were first with the news. Producer for Dylan, Cohen, Cash, Simon & Garfunkel … and indeed for one album, Jimmy Cliff. RIP.


Entered at Sun Aug 16 12:03:04 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: "Is it rolling, Bob?"

... and it surely was! (R.I.P)


Entered at Sat Aug 15 19:16:59 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Asbury Park

Thanks Charlie - great find


Entered at Sat Aug 15 18:49:19 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Charlie Y

Great to see again, thank you.


Entered at Sat Aug 15 17:25:46 CEST 2015 from (108.44.147.81)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Asbury Park, NJ, 1976

Forgive me if the link to this black & white footage of an entire concert has been posted previously, but before today I wasn't aware of it, and see the show isn't even listed in the "tape archive" here. I was pleasantly surprised to find it...


Entered at Sat Aug 15 14:54:32 CEST 2015 from (70.192.141.167)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: Top 100

CSN?


Entered at Sat Aug 15 13:20:47 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mathilde........What the???

John Donabe said those words quite some time back........did you move to Oslo John?

Ok Billie Bad Ass....so we didn't remember "Ramblin Gamblin Man"...........can't remember everything........yer just showing off gawd damn it!


Entered at Sat Aug 15 09:28:34 CEST 2015 from (84.202.229.122)

Posted by:

Mathilde

Location: Oslo
Web: My link

Subject: Rockin chair

I just wanted to let you know that your story about Ronnie, really moved my wife. OK....me too. Your last line took us by surprise. Thank you for sharing that story and your pink roses for Susie as well. Now get back to that lawn mower.


Entered at Sat Aug 15 05:59:11 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.137)

Posted by:

Bill M

Deb: Nice to see you among the posters. Totally coincidentally, I though of Roger Tillison just three hours ago when I was in a seondhand record store and flipped past a copy of one of those hip-sploitation movies of circa 1970 and saw Roger's name among the credits - for "Rock & Roll Gypsies".

Kevin J: Good of you to remember my teenage attendance at a Seger concert back in '72. Youth Day at the Ex, so August, 43 friggin' years ago. (Some days I think I'd run over the person who invented arithmetc.). He didn't let me down, since he played "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" (which nobody else seemed to appreciate or even remember). He was terrific, but when his backup singer, Marcy Levy, took over, people left in droves. That I got totally, and I've always felt that way about her, espcially her work on Clapton's "Lay Down Sally". Aside from "Night Moves" I prefer the early stuff I've heard: "2+2=?", RGM, Noah, Katmandu, "Crawling From The Wreckage", even "Back in '72".

Ronnie Hawkins' first Cotillion LP at Muscle Shoals with Duane Allman, Hood, Hawkins, Beckett, Johnson - and two guys from his current crop of Hawks, King Biscuit Boy on harmonica and Scott Cushnie on piano. This, from '69, was his first US album release since "Sings Hank Williams" in '62, and first US release of any kind since "There's A Screw Loose" with Garth presaging bits of "Genetic Method". It's a pleasure to hear Allman and biscuit battle it out on "Down In The Alley".


Entered at Sat Aug 15 05:33:39 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.35)

Posted by:

Kevin J

......Good one, Jeff.......reminds me of the gal who gets on a city bus and makes her way to the back seat.....sits down beside a guy.....within seconds he's all eyes and then attempts to introduce himself.......she cuts him off immediately by saying "look pal......let's get this straight right from the get-go......I only fu*k Jewish rodeo stars"...........he replies "Well hello, I'm Bucky Goldstein"


Entered at Sat Aug 15 04:37:25 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.53)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: The Blind Cowboy & Blonde Chic Bikers

An old, blind cowboy wanders into an all-girl biker bar by mistake...

He finds his way to a bar stool and orders a shot of Jack Daniels.

After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender, 'Hey, you wanna hear a blonde joke?'

The bar immediately falls absolutely silent.

In a very deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says, 'Before you tell that joke, Cowboy, I think it is only fair, given that you are blind, that you should know five things:

1. The bartender is a blonde girl with a baseball bat.
2. The bouncer is a blonde girl with a 'Billy-Club'.
3. I'm a 6-foot tall, 175-pound blonde woman with a black belt in karate.
4. The woman sitting next to me is blonde and a professional weight lifter.
5. The lady to your right is blonde and a professional wrestler.
'Now, think about it seriously, Cowboy ... do you still wanna tell that blonde joke?'

The blind cowboy thinks for a second, shakes his head and mutters, 'No ... not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times"...


Entered at Sat Aug 15 03:52:47 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.35)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Page & Plant also omitted - mind boggling......even Madonna is asking for a recount ! Turns out Max Martin is actually Jann Wenner's Uber driver !


Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:29:10 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Joni

Joni is listed.


Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:28:02 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Opps!

Guess I shoulda looked.....ca ca ca ca ca caaa


Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:27:45 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.35)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Sorry Joni, that was me.....



Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:20:17 CEST 2015 from (24.114.73.35)

Posted by:

Joni Mitchell

Subject: I was in the top 10 - GawdDamn it ! I shoulda been top 5


Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:18:11 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Carmen

Steve Winwood for sure Carmen!........Has anyone noticed what is blaring out at y'all here????......The only song writers mentioned are all men!.......what about Joanie Mitchell!


Entered at Sat Aug 15 02:14:15 CEST 2015 from (173.172.37.17)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: songwriters

has anyone mentioned David Hildalgo and Louie Perez from Los Lobos?


Entered at Sat Aug 15 01:28:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Hard Times ...Come Again No More

To change the subject for a moment. I drove home from my boats in Port Hardy just now. I had a very long visit with a life long friend who is another fisherman from Pender Harbour. Ronnie and I have known each other since we were kids. We did a lot of reminiscing over a life time and many friends we have lost in recent years as we are getting older. It was a real nice visit, with some sobering thoughts on a smile and looking after your friends.

On the way home, CBC had a young man from Nova Scotia doing a show and some of the songs he wrote. He was a good singer, his songs were worth while, some what putting me in mind of John Prine as he wrote of things he saw, and events in his home town. However, what I am coming to he sang this song that I have linked here sung by the "wonderful" Mavis Staples. This song is over 150 years old, written by Stephen Foster whose music I have always loved. You can also find a youtube clip of Dylan singing this song at Willie Nelson's 60th birthday party.

I found a tear rolling down my cheek listening to this. If you've ever had hard times...........


Entered at Sat Aug 15 01:02:16 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mainstreet at Muscle Shoals/Live Bullet

Interesting stuff Dave.

Such an evocative song. I do have to say as fine a recording as the original album take is I feel the alto sax for those piecing interludes on the Nine Tonight album takes the song onto an entirely different level, wringing every last drop of emotion out of what becomes a truly mind blowing track.

Kev from what I've read over the years I do think you're probably in the majority regarding your opinion of Live Bullet compared with Nine Tonight yet for me it's entirely the other way. Totally with you and Norm regarding Jody Girl though.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Aug 15 00:49:39 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The green-eyed monster

OK I'm not ashamed to admit it Kev I do envy yourself and Bill and Norm. I'd dearly loved to have seen the man in his prime. A perfect alchemy of a voice for the most plaintiff rock imaginable.

I'll always remember the words of sparky foreman - can't recall his name but he was a good lad - on a hospital job in Manchester. It was '84 the time of Springsteen's Born in the USA invasion of the British airwaves. Bruce was everywhere. Even our old GF Norm Croston was hollering the Bruce anthem as he'd hobble into the site cabin.

Anyroad I was swapping notes with the sparky lad about our opinions of Bruce as we'd both been to the huge gig at Roundhey Park in Leeds the previous day - it's the one with the huge swaying crowd on the BITUSA video. We'd both been mesmerised by Bruce but I recall - just remembered his name it was Bob - Bob saying he'd gladly swap that concert if he could just get to see Bob Seger live.

His words have always stayed with me. And I guess as much as I dearly love Bruce right now I'd swap a dozen or so of the countless times I've seen him for just one night with the Seger fella in his prime.

I guess, though, some things were just never meant to be and I have to be content with just listening. I wonder if Bob the sparky ever did get to see him.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Aug 15 00:48:05 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa

Subject: top 100

Steve Winwood too


Entered at Sat Aug 15 00:47:55 CEST 2015 from (92.18.206.209)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Songwriters

Steve Earle.


Entered at Sat Aug 15 00:44:05 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: top 100

Clapton, Rod Stewart, Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters and David Gilmore & Mark Knoffler are all deserving to be on this list.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 23:47:10 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The RS list omissions

Sting and Eric Clapton ! Perhaps they tipped over a salad bowl one night at a Jann Wenner house party. "Every Breath You Take" and "Roxanne" and "Layla" and on and on....oh well, neither one could ever claim the Joe Ely life thought of "Musta Notta Gotta lotta", so shed no tears..


Entered at Fri Aug 14 23:02:55 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Wine & Life cont.

There was an article recently in a Toronto newspaper about a guy who was one of the lucky ones to escape the buildings on 9/11.....he apparently had a very nice collection of fine wines that for years he used to always show-off to all guests that visited him at home - that's all he did, show them but not drink them......his lesson: Don't wait on things too much......Drink that Fine Wine !


Entered at Fri Aug 14 22:52:55 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

The Band mind map (link).


Entered at Fri Aug 14 22:43:52 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Von Kopf bis Fuß auf Liebe eingestellt

The universe is slowly dying like an old man. In a few billion years there is nothing left of the human race. No Dylan, no Band and, although hard to imagine. no posters .

Religion? Even God can’t do without universe and people. Luckily in essence we’re optimistic; Von Kopf bis Fuß auf Liebe eingestellt. Who cares as long as there is wine. De Volkskrant Aug. 2015


Entered at Fri Aug 14 22:01:11 CEST 2015 from (216.226.180.35)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Subject: Muscle Shoals

FAME founder Rick Hall received a Governor's Award for his contribution to the arts in Alabama earlier this year. The link is to an article in the program book for that event. I've been able to interview him, David Hood, and Jimmy Johnson for a radio program we produce and for the Archive of Alabama Folk Culture. They are all very gracious people who are generous with younger musicians.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 21:45:39 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Songwriters

Nick Lowe and Frank Zappa


Entered at Fri Aug 14 21:05:49 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Levon recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio twice. I guess the best known song Jimmy Cliff cut there was "Sitting in Limbo." One of the songs Bob Seger recorded there was "Mainstreet," which featured David Hood on bass, Roger Hawkins on drums, Barry Beckett on keyboards, Jimmy Johnson on rhythm guitar and Pete Carr playing the soaring lead guitar.

Mr. Carr grew up in Daytona Beach, Fl., where he first met Duane & Gregg Allman. He would later play bass with them in the group Hourglass. They recorded a fine B.B. King Medley at Rick Hall's FAME studios in Muscle Shoals (see link), which provided an early indication of the Allman brothers potential. After Hourglass folded Duane soon gained attention with his session work at FAME.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 21:00:27 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Seger

Not a lotta time right now but very happy to see Norm and Al discussing Bob Seger………I can fully understand why 9 Tonight is enjoyed……a fine collection of the hits but for me the definitive live Bob Seger will always be “Live Bullet”……”Nightbush City Limits”, “Beautiful Loser”, “Turn the Page” ( long before Metalica and Kid Snot slaughtered it ! ), the unmatched, turn up that FM dial “Katmandu”…………..and the best song ever written about that girl from high school that you always wondered what happened to and still sometimes thought about…….the perfect “Jody Girl”.

I saw Bob twice in concert, once at Maple leaf Gardens 1978 and at the Montreal Forum 1980. Two truly great shows. I believe Bill M actually saw him long before his Night Moves break into the big-time.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 20:19:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I thought the Gibb Brothers were another particularly under-rated one. Mind you I did like Felice and Boudleaux Bryant getting in there.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 20:14:40 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Say What !

Imagine being Chrissie Hyde and waking up to discover that there is somebody/anybody on this planet that could think you a better songwriter than the Bee Gees or George Harrison or......Gordon Lightfoot or Jeff Lynn or.....ROD STEWART or Bob Seger.........ahhhhh!!!


Entered at Fri Aug 14 20:00:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Songwriter lists

One of the issues is longevity … which is why I think it fair to put McCartney at 2, but Lennon at 3. There are 35 more years to pick from … which is why Robert Johnson’s short flowering was a daft choice.

An example is Jimmy Cliff. (He recorded “Another Cycle” at Muscle Shoals … he was never exclusively reggae). I think 99% would instantly put Bob Marley miles ahead of him, but I’ve been immersed in Jimmy Cliff for three weeks (my next Toppermost) and he’s got fifty-three years of compositions, and there’s no real fallow period or quality drop off, though the 69-73 period inevitably has the lion’s share of choices. Given his far longer career, the number of “five star songs” must be at least the same as Bob Marley … and he’s more eclectic having done ska, pop, soul, reggae, world and urban. I’m not arguing against Bob’s deserved high placing. Just saying Jimmy should be in the 100, if not the 50.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 19:29:50 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Muscle Shoals

I highly recommend the recent documentary on Muscle Shoals, now available on DVD & blu-ray (see link to trailer). It's a fascinating look at how so much great music was recorded in an area on the Tennessee River in Northern Alabama. Best yet -- the documentary is chock full of many of the classic songs recorded there. A great companion piece to go along with the Wrecking Crew documentary.

By the way, Bob Seger, Paul Simon, Jimmy Cliff and Cher are just a few of those who recorded there.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 18:20:25 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Top 100

I don’t think you can argue the Top 22 in Rolling Stone’s list, except the order, and Robbie Robertson should have been in there, which makes 23. On order, Brian Wilson, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Marley should go above Stevie Wonder, and Hank Williams is a tad too high – if you’re going back that far, then why not Irving Berlin et al. (Not you, Al).\ I wouldn’t even argue the Top 3 (1 Dylan 2 McCartney 3 Lennon), but everyone in the Top 22 (or my Top 23) deserves to be there. It’s 23 “Robert Johnson” which is classic rock snob stuff. First, we have no idea whether he really wrote them or not, and second it’s a very meagre output to put directly above Randy Newman, Ray Davies, Buddy Holly, Pete Townsend, Bacharach & David.

I think you've spoken for many of us on here Pete. It's a real solid selection and the to three is probably right. As regards Bruce I'm clearly biased but against that I also recognise that his innovative stuff is confined more to the soliloquy style lyrics of Thunder Road and backstreets or the like and you could argue that Dylan and Bob had already laid down the template even for that.

So I'd say that on pure songwriting ability alone Bruce would comfortably make top 10, probably top 5 for me personally. But I think innovation does simply have to figure largely in the equation so that does work against him.

What's clearly missing from the top list are modern writers and again you have to think they're operating with one arm tied behind their back because they can never play the innovative card.

I agree Robbie should be much much higher.

Omissions bordering on criminal are Liverpudlian genius writer Michael head plus me and Norm's fave Bob Seger and of course the only songwriter that the accepted number one artist was ever quoted as saying he wished he could emulate. GENE CLARK.

I'm sure there's others too which will drift into the head in time. Gram Parsons anyone? Nick cave?

Like Pete I would say that the numbers from 20-100 do seem to have been rushed a bit with so many seemingly unjustifiable low placings - George Harrison and Abba even!

Always good fun though no matter how vehemently personal taste compels you to disagree.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 18:13:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Songwriters

Jimmy Cliff.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 17:43:59 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: More of Detroit's finest

As you say Norm he's a real blue collar/roots rock man.

Shame on the Moon is wonderful as you say. Listening to it wash over you - it's like lying in a gorgeous hot bath. It's my good mate Al's favourite ever song. I knew he'd like it as soon as I heard it when I bought The Distance album and sure enough he was hooked from the first time I played it to him.

But got to admit Norm I'd got it into my head it was a Bob Seger original. I now stand corrected. I guess I probably thought it because when Bob sings it the lyrics and his delivery just sounds as if it is his own tale!!

Hard to single one song out of the fella's catalogue. I mean the ones you mention are uncanny. Also there's Fire Lake!! What a track!

Bob's use of the girl backing singers on so many of his tracks is possibly the finest I've ever heard. On every track they add that little sprinkling of stardust that manages to take the song onto another level.

I guess if there's one Bob Seger track I simply couldn't do without it'd probably be Shinin' Brightly [linked] from the Against The Wind album. The climax to it lifts my particular spirits like few other tracks.

I'll now go find that cover version of Against the Wind Norm.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 14 17:01:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rolling Stone's 100

I don’t think you can argue the Top 22 in Rolling Stone’s list, except the order, and Robbie Robertson should have been in there, which makes 23. On order, Brian Wilson, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Marley should go above Stevie Wonder, and Hank Williams is a tad too high – if you’re going back that far, then why not Irving Berlin et al. (Not you, Al).\ I wouldn’t even argue the Top 3 (1 Dylan 2 McCartney 3 Lennon), but everyone in the Top 22 (or my Top 23) deserves to be there. It’s 23 “Robert Johnson” which is classic rock snob stuff. First, we have no idea whether he really wrote them or not, and second it’s a very meagre output to put directly above Randy Newman, Ray Davies, Buddy Holly, Pete Townsend, Bacharach & David.

Willie Dixon #51. Robert Johnson #23. That is really dumb.

Then ABOVE Robbie, David Bowie, James Taylor, John Fogerty, Johnny Cash … wildly ludicrously, you get Bono, Michael Jackson and Merle Haggard. I’ve never heard of Max Martin.

Robbie’s section of 10 includes Whitfield and Strong, Neil Diamond, Jimmy Webb, Sly Stone, Johnny Cash, Don Henley & Glen Frey and Billy Joel. Pretty good company to keep.

Now I’m getting angry. Marvin Gaye at 82? Sam Cooke 86? Bjorn & Benny 100?

OK, greatest missing names. Let’s start a list.

Otis Redding

Crewe & Gaudio

Jackie DeShannon

Eddie Cochran

Bo Diddley

Richard Penniman

Steve Miller

Norah Jones

John Cale

Roger Hodgson.

Please continue …


Entered at Fri Aug 14 16:47:12 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Another side

By the way Al. Not sure if you know of this. If you search on youtube........Against the Wind....The Highwaymen, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Kris Kristoffersen, "The Highwaymen" do a cover of this song that is wonderful.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 16:10:46 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Connections in Music

Al, thanks for the response. One more bit of music we share. It was probably very late sixties or seventy that I first heard some of Bob Seger. He was another one of those Detroit area guys like Glenn Frey of the Eagles.

About 73 when Bob formed the Silver Bullet Band and his music took off that I really became a fan and started buying his music. My brother and I were playing a lot of music then and him, the Eagles, CCR were right at the top.

To me Bob Seger is really a Roots Rock & Roll guy. His music belongs right up there with Van Morrison and Bruce Springsteen.

He has written songs like "Turn the Page" about life on the road, "We've Got Tonight" love song. His cover of Rodney Crowell's "Shame on the Moon" as well as his heavy hits are among the best.

Play on Al!


Entered at Fri Aug 14 15:49:59 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: top 100 Songwriters

I agree with most of names on the list but not the placement. Many of our favorites make the list - RR is at 45.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 23:31:58 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Against The Wind

Thanks for that Norm. Wonderful stuff. It's got me giving a long overdue trawl right through his incredible repertoire.

I got into Bob around 1980 when the lads in the place I worked at used to have a kitty to buy an LP each week. As the UK guys will affirm LP's were an expensive business so the idea was that anyone interested would have a cassette tape done and the purchased LP was given out in turn to each contributor.

As it turned out one of the LP's I got was Bob's amazing live album Nine Tonight containing so many of his greatest tracks including Against The Wind, Mainstreet, Still The Same, Night Moves. I was captivated from the off.

Ever since I've bought everything he's done and backtracked on the stuff that came before yet the Nine Tonight with that amazing Against The Wind cut remains the album that stands out for me. And is surely a real contender for rock's finest ever live album.

Ironically and sadly for this particular Bob Seger nut there's this big stretch of water that means the fella has never toured the UK since the time I discovered him so I've never managed to see him live. So much did I long to see him perform that I longed for a US trip for just that reason but it never materialised.

Anyroad cheers again for the memory jogger Norm.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 13 22:54:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The wrap party at the end of the 74 tour.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 22:24:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rick Danko & Cher (Mockingbird) at Geffen's party - wanted to see this for years. Can't find any links or pics though. Any advice? Preferably post a link!


Entered at Thu Aug 13 21:10:34 CEST 2015 from (84.215.171.237)

Posted by:

jh

Rick, Robbie, Levon and Dylan performing with Cher! Photos and explanation available if you join Carol Caffin's lovely Rick Danko Facebook group.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 20:15:15 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Didn't It Rain

On one of the tracks featuring Levon, "Spend Our Last Dime," you can hear him count off the start of the song. Bill Payne and Larry & Teresa also appear with Amy.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 20:00:34 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Against the wind

I've spent all my life runnin' against the wind. I identify with this song of Bob's.

Bob Seger has aged gracefully. Sitting with his white hair playing his guitar, his voice is still strong.

Who ever took this clip with a video phone did one heel of a job.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 19:45:41 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Peter V, David P

Thnx for info re these two albums.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 16:53:03 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Levon played on three tracks on Amy's new album "Didn't It Rain." In interviews she's said that these were his last recordings.

Richard Thompson has noted that his "Guitar Heroes" was inspired by the 1958 recording "Springfield Guitar Social," which featured the amazing guitarist Thumbs Carlille, who was a friend of Garth's and The Band. Mr. Thompson said he's had a copy of the recording (link above) since 1966.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 15:42:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You're Running Wild

I finally got a copy of Larry Campbell & Theresa Williams' album. Being an reader of small print, I noted that Levon Helm played drums on You're Running Wild and Bill Payne played piano. I don't know if this was noted before. Would this be one of the last recordings?

Really enjoying the album.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 15:19:34 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: for the guitar players

This is fun (a bit of a companion piece for JRR's "Axman") -- "Guitar Heroes" from Richard Thompson's new album . . . . Mr. Thompson pays tribute to Django, Les Paul, Chuck Berry, James Burton and Hank Ballard . . . .


Entered at Thu Aug 13 02:59:02 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dylan goes Electric.....The Night That Split the 60's

I was away from this page for quite sometime, so I perhaps missed any discussion of Elijah Wald's book.

As I drove to Port Hardy this morning, Elijah was interviewed for most of an hour on CBC. Very interesting and it has to be a good read. The author seems to clarify much of the myth about that Newport Folk Festival.

I'm sure many of you know of what Mr. Wald speaks, so I won't go into great detail. However I remember back then Bob Dylan's initial popularity was some what electric and on the "rock' side of things. Even in the bush country where I spent my time his first recordings were that way. I always thought that a lot of people tried to make him what they perceived him to be. I look forward to getting ahold of this book.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 23:38:42 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Stones Album Promotion Gift

This afternoon the complete Stones entered a Spencer Gift Shop (178th street NYC) in search of a promotion gift for their new CD.

They’re looking for a useless machine to reflect the intuitive grasp of a fundamental problem of the unconscious.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 22:47:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: mixing for monitors

(Very good to see David P.'s contributions again . . . .)

The video at [My link] is a TV documentary I've mentioned before, about the technology / technicians behind a modern (2007) rock tour.

The pertinent bit begins at about 4:30. I don't know how common this might be, but for this band (Rush) the in-ear monitor mix is adjusted not only to each musician's preference, but varied for each song, and within songs as the instrument combinations and dynamics dictate. With all those mixer settings rehearsed, predetermined and assigned to presets so the person on the board can keep up. Much better for the audience than watching the talent making angry gestures . . . .


Entered at Wed Aug 12 17:16:20 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Jerry Garcia on Bob Dylan - interview 1981, a The Band reference.......seen on Expecting Rain today.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 16:43:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Stealer's Wheel

It's Band GB poster week over at Toppermost. Next up, today, is Dunc on Stealer's Wheel (LINKED). Great list. Great piece. Do comment over there.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 16:39:16 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jerry Garcia-20 years gone

RIP Captain Trips.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 13:32:13 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.53)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Sending now Pete


Entered at Wed Aug 12 10:43:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, I've lost your address. Can you email me? More to say on SOT and cranial osteopathy. I agree. Mrs V is traveling 100 miles to see a brilliant one. They're very rare.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 07:34:41 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.53)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

TMJ. IF it's caused by occlusion, well, you got to get that taken care of. Crozats appliances, Crowns, preferably gold, then braces. To deal with the pain though, and to deal with the other symptoms, such as tinnitis, poor spinal alignment ( the occiput is the top of the spine), possibly inpaired balance, other muscular skeletal ailments, more, the rare chiropractor that is highly trained & sensitive in applying Sacral Occipital Techniques and Craniopathy is your man. And if the TMJ is not caused by poor occlusion, but is caused by whiplash & and hasn;t yet led to poor occlusion) or stress, that rare chiro is the guy or gal you need.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 03:10:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tinnitus & Epley maneuver

Lisa and everyone else interested. Susan is quite convinced that the "Epley maneuver" also was help in her problem, as well as vertigo. She also felt that her rheumatoid arthritis was very inflammatory to the TMJ. I know many things I cooked and we eat I have to cut small for her as she has trouble opening her mouth wide. When she tries there is very often a loud pop in her jaw that causes her a lot of pain.

Many years ago when she was at her doctor and he was trying to determine what had caused this problem he asked her if she was ever in a car accident. When she told him how she had been rear ended, he was then able to better deal with her problem. She most often wears a mouth splint to bed for the night.

In any case the tinnitus did leave her but the TMJ is difficult to manage a lot of the time because of her arthritis. If you aren't familiar with the "Epley maneuver" google it and it is very well explained.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 01:59:34 CEST 2015 from (24.114.48.45)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Maybe 50 years back, Pete Seeger's axe was to prevent a flare-up of tinnitus, not a statement on Bob's sound !

Formula 1 moved to a smaller hybrid engine in 2014 that is quite quiet now but a few years ago at the Canadian Grand Prix, I mistimed a walk very close to a fence as a car was going by at full speed and it popped my left ear......a very scary experience. All those years with speakers and amps and headphones and hundreds of concerts and always turning sound up and I was fortunate to not have any issues......I only ever went to a few prog-rock shows but it was always a thought in the back of my mind to be wary of the laser shows and damaging my eyes.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 01:27:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Mr. Holmes

Film review from my blog is linked.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 23:56:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One of the great joys of the last five years or so is finding so many younger, folkier groups where not an electric guitar is in sight. The two worst things for your ears are overloud lead guitar solos and crash cymbals. I begin to relish acoustic instruments (even when amplified).


Entered at Tue Aug 11 23:46:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, a chiropractor I know would be very interested in the fall getting rid of tinnitus … a sudden accidental but beneficial manipulation.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:51:59 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

I've had tinnitus since 1985 (never knew how I got it either, as I didn't go to a lot of rock concerts or anything). My doctor said it's an aggravation you have to learn to live with, though I think aggravation is far too mild a word - sometimes torture would be more accurate. It never goes away, and I also have an accompanying condition called hyperacusis, which is extreme sensitivity to certain kinds of sounds. Things like the noise of car engines idling drive me crazy, and a sudden loud door slam or such feels like an electric shock - it's actually painful.

Norm, what Susan had is temporomandibular joint disorder, which causes your jaw to click, sometimes painfully, every time you chew. That's amazing that a fall cured the tinnitus though, maybe I should try it!


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:38:30 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tex Ritter & Tinnitus

Thanks for that David. Tex Ritter always one of my favourites, and as a young guy my favourite western actor? Gary Cooper of course. So the link is to my favourite Tex Ritter from that movie. Also I wonder if any of you remember Coop's movie.....'Along Came Jones".

I had that Joe Maphis song on an album of his years ago David called "Fire on the Strings" you probably remember.

Now this is very odd but true. Susan was re-ended in a car accident years ago while stopped at a light. This later on caused her a condition, the word is very long and escapes me at the moment, but is simply called "TMJ". She also suffered a great deal from tinnitus. She would put her head on my shoulder and I would put my hand over the top of her head to help her get to sleep at night.

About 4 years ago when we lived in Powell River she slipped and had a bad fall in the bath tub and broke her wrist. I was down stairs at my desk doing logs and she came down and I felt so bad I was sick. I of course took her to the hospital and they had to cast her arm. She ended up passing out. However the strange thing is the tinnitus went away and she has never had that swooshing in her head since.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:01:38 CEST 2015 from (109.158.42.96)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

I've had off/on problems with tinnitus in recent years myself. "The Train in the Night" by Nick Coleman is a book that has been recommended to me. I think he suffered sudden hearing loss and the book is his attempt to come to terms with his condition and how it impacts him as a lover of music. There is a short YouTube vid at the above link. The book has been on my 'to get' list for a while.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 21:57:16 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

This is for you Norm. Take off those ear muffs and check out the link to a video of Joe Maphis and young Larry Collins performing an amazing version of "Flying Fingers" on Tex Ritter's Ranch Party.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 20:37:59 CEST 2015 from (70.194.199.179)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: This and That

Thanks for the kind words on my Tex piece Peter, and you are right in that he comes from a very different path than other country stars of his era. The TV show Tex's Ranch Party is wonderful viewing. Car Perkins, Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash. Great stuff.

My left ear checked out about ten months ago during a flight to Chicago. Seems 35 years standing right next to the speakers can take you to a place where you have enough damage a little pressure means you lose the high range, get an earache when you get hit with really loud sounds, can't hear conversations for anything in crowds and the damn thing has a ringing it it for ten straight weeks.

Still stand next to the speakers though.

Saw Richard Thompson doing a solo show last week, wasn't expecting him to be as amazing as he was.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:47:54 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

More on hearing issues.....and problems...

Jeff Beck: Well it is, but they’re making great steps forward now to deal with it. Part of the coping is, saying to yourself that it’s not abnormal. It’s not - the noise is not caused by any direct damage to the ear or to the hearing mechanism. It’s a natural sound caused by blood flowing through the ears and the veins. But because of the noise exposure I’ve lost the ability to hear frequencies - if my hearing was restored, I wouldn’t notice the tinnitus, because I’d be hearing frequencies from outside in the real world. It’s a bit complicated. But also, there are some people with no hearing loss that have tinnitus - it doesn’t really equate, it’s very strange. There’s also people stone deaf with no tinnitus. It’ s just one of those things, if you’re the sort of character that doesn’t like head noise, you’re going to suffer. Some people who are not musical will probably not be able to pick it out. But I’ve now perfected the listening technique so I know exactly what’s going on, and it makes it very difficult for me to blot it out. But I’m hanging in there with it.

Paul Guy: How do you cope with concerts?

Jeff Beck: I’ve got earplugs - I’ve become fearful of loud sounds. Once you’ve been traumatised you don’t want to hear any loud noises. I’ve got in-ear monitors, which are fantastic. They’re custom-fit ear monitors with a wire down the back of your shirt, or whatever you’ve got on - and I’ve got fairly long hair, so you don’t see it. It’s great - I mean, once you get used to the lack of sheer gusto and power, it’s like playing to a Walkman on stage. And whatever direction you move in. you’re getting constant sound. You don’t get directional problems with drums or whatever, or your own amp. You’re just getting a really good mix. You still feel the bass drum, but you don’t get the cymbals crash through your ears. A lot of people use them now, on concerts you see them with wires sticking out of their ears. It’s OK, it’s part of the accepted thing now.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:43:23 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: I like it loud!

Sorta. Wasn't it this newfound & big volume, with improved fidelity, that accelerated pop music's appeal so much in the 60's? In both live music and in-home sound system's quality, etc? Especially for the electric guitar and the solos.

I haven't been to a big hall or arena for music in ages so I don't know about that type of volume, I prefer small venues and bars now, but I still like live music to be strictly foreground and a bit beyond that. And I'm in the well-geezered crowd now and perhaps a bit deef!


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:41:10 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jeff Beck and hearing loss

Paul Guy: I think we’re running out of time, but there’s one thing I really wanted to ask you - I was really sorry to hear about your tinnitus - how do you deal with it?

Jeff Beck: Well. I’m having therapy at the moment, counselling about it. I’ve got white noise earpieces that I put in, and they don’t cancel it out, it’s just background noise to the tinnitus. The theory is that after months and months, maybe even years, my brain will adjust to the false sound from the noise generators, then one day I won’t be able to decide which one is which, you see what I mean? The attention will be focused on something else, it will be a deception process. But tinnitus is a noise in the head which is there in the first place, which is quite an amazing revelation. It’s just that I’m noticing it, because I’ve lost some of my high-end listening ability. So sound outside my head is not so audible, and the brain notices what’s going on inside the head. It’s nasty for the first - well, you become traumatised, if you’re one of the intolerant types, like I am. To those people for whom sound makes no difference, it doesn’t appear to be a problem. Whereas for me - I was suicidal at one time.

Paul Guy: You see all these people on the underground with Walkmans, and you hear the high frequencies a mile off, you know they’re listening really loud.

Jeff Beck: They’re all going to be deaf, for a start. They’re going to lose their hearing, if they haven’t done so already. Because it’s not something that comes later - it comes actually at the time. Your ears don’t harden to it, so to speak - if some loud noise happens right now, to either of us, that damage is done instantaneously, and there might not be full reovery from it. So watch out! (Laughs) George Martin has lost a lot of his hearing, but he doesn’t seem to be bothered by the tinnitus. It just takes a long time to teach yourself not to care about it. That’s the art or the skill of thought. Get plenty of sleep, keep off the booze, and just keep telling yourself that it’s nothing, it’s just a normal sound. Very difficult... My hearing is not what you would expect - it’s not perfect, but it’s not much below what’s expected considering what I’ve done. As I said, there are some people with severe hearing loss, and they don’t have any tinnitus at all.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:22:11 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Monitoring

You are exactly right of course David. Many years ago I recall interviews with Kenny Rogers, Lee Greenwood, and Bob Seger to name a few. The whiskey voice all agreed was caused by poor monitoring over years and the habit of straining your voice until you are hollering trying to hear yourself.

The result was the ear monitors you have just spoken of. I couldn't use those things. I have tried different ones, (our workers compensation has even employed companies that custom make them to fit your ear.) I just can't stand any thing in my ears. So on my tug I rely on the old ear muffs with the wire strap behind your head to keep them tight and in place.

The ear monitors give relief for your sound situation, but I've often wondered how well they help your singing from what you are missing as you are totally controlled by sound men that way.


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David P

In recent years more & more performers seem to be using in-ear monitors onstage. While this allows them the luxury of a proper sound level & mix, one wonders if this isolation enjoyed by the musicians contributes to higher volume levels for the audience. Ideally the person responible for the house sound should keep the volume levels throughout the venue from becoming excessive, but in reality few seem to care about monitoring what the audience is experiencing.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:45:00 CEST 2015 from (70.49.46.80)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Then there are acoustics.

And then there are bad acoustics. Late 1980s. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers. Great band. Varsity Arena. UofT Blues play hockey there. They were booked there and I swear you could not hear anything but a blur in the stands where we were sitting. Just noise. Even outside at CNE was better than that. Saw Neil Young, Van Morrison, Dylan and Santana and David Bowie at the CNE venue when they did concerts there between baseball games before Rogers Centre was a reality. Not great but at least you could hear the bands play their instruments. Ontario Place again- meh. All in all, I stay out of arenas and open air venues now.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:25:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cars are cars

Read the contrary article (linked) which says the photos of cars are old / normal. There are dumb things about cars. The really ECO thing to do is keep a car running as long as it will go, because keeping that old gas guzzler alive for 3 or 4 more years is far more environmentally friendly than manufacturing a new car which uses 20% less fuel. You're looking at many years to recoup the cost of switching in terms of fuel. It used to be that 100,000 miles for a petrol car on British roads and winters was about its life. Our local airport car service has lots with 1,000,000 miles and ran a big petrol Ford Granada for 1.6 million miles. Diesels should easily cover 250,000. They do just last longer. I dread getting a new one because I really hate these STOP / START engines. If you live in a hilly area with traffic jams they're a monumental pain.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:24:22 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: noise

Some years ago we went to see squeeze at MSG the opening act was flock of seagulls. I have gotten pretty great seats on the floor close to the stage. The seagulls were so loud that we were deafened by it I recovered mostly by the next day but my husband really was bad all. You know what they say it's too loud you're too old


Entered at Tue Aug 11 16:08:25 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hearing Damage

Hearing damage is one of the most painful and frightening things. In 1978 I came in from a month at sea fishing herring (with a wad of money). A friend said "38 special is at the Commodore".

I'm sure many of you have heard of Vancouver's Commodore Ball Room. We went down and "Blue Northern" opened. Remember Bill, Gary Comeau's Band.

When 38 Special took the stage the lights were turned out, the place was black all of a sudden they started a peal of sound with those loooong horns like in England until the sound was unbearably loud. It abruptly stopped they hit the lights and the band broke into that old Chuck Berry hit "Round & Round. I have heard and played loud music since I was a kid NOTHING was like this. It was unbearable and nothing you could enjoy. I had to leave.

A couple years ago when we went and saw the Eagles at Rogers arena in Van, they were loud but we enjoyed it except Susan. Susan has a condition...I can't remember what it's called but above average sound hurts her. I had to put my hands over her ears as she didn't think to bring her ear plugs.

Thanks Mike.

Yesterday I saw something on my Yahoo news page that came up. I'm wondering if any of you have seen this. Entitled "Where cars go to die". In England, Russia and Spain. Rows and rows of thousands of new cars all parked that can't be sold because of a flooded market. You have to see it. It is unbelievable. There must be billions of dollars in cars. Read....they won't lower the price to sell them so that people will keep buying new expensive cars. This is nonsensical. They should crush them for scrap. The one picture at an airport in Spain, (these are satellite shots). There is cars as far as you can see.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 15:26:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cum' On Feel The Noyze

The human hearing range is said to extend from 20 Hz to a potential 20,000 Hz – the limits of CD, but very few even when young, can actually pinpoint generated sounds above 16,000. (Analogue fans will say we sense the ambience way beyond, though we couldn’t pinpoint a sound in a test). Cassette used to be 40 Hz to 12,000 Hz to 14,000. Hz. Women can generally go higher than men. An engineer told me that when he ran tests on grizzled rock musicians he was finding 10,000 Hz was about the limit in the treble range. Which is why, he explained, people like Van Morrison, who deliberately restrict the volume … in 1500 seat halls to the level of unamplified drums … can still sing perfectly in tune but others of his age need electronic assistance.

I can’t stand it when I come out of a concert and find my ears buzzing hours later. It’s time for local governments to go in and measure levels. In the last few years, it has improved and so many really excellent bands are at “loud enough”, but never painful or confusing. It’s getting quieter. Last year I went to take photos at Tom Jones Larmer Tree set and found myself swaying and dizzy right by the speakers. Far too loud. I knew enough to retreat fast. Jimmy Cliff this year was way better on volume (and also all round).

My own weaker left ear goes back to my days working with bands. We had a beautiful Italian Binson PA, the pride and joy then. There were no fibreglass flight cases then – it all got stacked carefully in the van, a plastic cover being the most anything had, and most speaker cabinets had nothing but TLC. Anyway, one speaker column got its cloth ripped taking it out of the van. We were supporting Hawkwind whose much bigger (but cruder) PA speakers were adjacent to ours. I decided to stitch up the tear during Hawkwind’s set, fearing that the rip would spread when we loaded it back in the van. I must say my left ear’s never been quite the same since. Their speaker was to the left of ours.

Before blaming Hawkwind though, I recall that I lost my hearing on the left for a week when I was 14. It was an art class. The two boys next to me were chatting (against the rules) but I wasn’t, and the furious arts master ran over and smacked me as hard as he could right on the ear. Wrong culprit. My ear was swollen red and purple for a week. Nowadays of course he would never be allowed to teach again, and indeed even back then only the headteacher could apply corporal punishment, so it was common assault in law. My dad wanted to go to the school and (a) smack him round the ear and (b) get him fired. My mum dissuaded him. I have three friends who studied art right through to 18 who regarded him as a genius and a mentor. The only reason I decided not to study art from 16 to 18 (which turned out to be a wise move for me in career terms) was that I regarded him as a vicious bastard. So someone can be both. A vicious bastard and a guru. John Lennon being a perfect example.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Loud and louder

Noise: Similar story, John. Down near the waterfront in that place where Dylan played a couple of nights one year (standing venue) to hear Slash with one of his bands (I think it was pre-Velvet Revolver and after G&R) and I left without hearing and dizzy. It went away in 2 days. It was frightening! I thought my music days were over. Never had an experience like that before. I always try to remember to bring earplugs to shows but somehow never remember till I'm there and say the inevitable 'I wish I had earplugs'. I don't get to too many shows now where the volume is up that loud.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 11:16:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rockin' Chair and noise

I believe it was in the mid 80's; when The Jackson 5 reformed for a tour. My son really wanted to go. It was out at the CNE grounds. They brought a horn section and it was LOUD! The horns hit a note and I felt searing pain in my right ear. Within minutes I was getting dizzy. Driving home was tough. Called my ENT specialist the next morning. I had a perforated drum. He told me the hole was already beginning to close. Miracle of the body.

To this day I have to wear ear plugs anywhere I know it's going to be loud. Got fooled a couple of weeks back; when grandkids came to visit. The baby hit a decibel level and a frequency that still has me dizzy. Different day....different reasons for loud sound levels.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 01:19:20 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Norm, I said there was no admissible limit to liking you, pal. You rock, buddy!


Entered at Tue Aug 11 01:06:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mike N

WHAT 'Y' SAY MIKE?......I'm deaf from too many decibles of tow boat engine moise and rock & roll.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 00:18:19 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mike N

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 10 23:24:04 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Rockin Chair and admissible noise

Norbert, I'm not so sure that Norm has ANY limit for admissible noise.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 22:07:58 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Acoustic Dilemma

“Norms and limits for admissible noise, as specified in the law, are always stated in terms of physically measurable attributes and are often determined and applied with a precision of fractions of a decibel. Human perception and memory for sounds, however, are not so accurate to justify discussions about fractions of a dB. Differential sensitivity for sound intensity is, under ideal conditions, approximately one decibel. Under more realistic conditions differential thresholds are considerably higher. Noise intensity levels for which members of a test population indicate to be severely annoyed show a typical interquartile spread of about 20 dB. Correlation coefficients between reported annoyance and actually measured sound levels, as has been done in many professional survey studies, are typically around 0.3. This implies that only 9% of the variance in the annoyance ratings can be explained by the physical sound level. The great variance in perceptual annoyance data seems to a very large extent due to psychological, non-acoustic factors and only to a much smaller extent due to insufficient control of the acoustic measurements.”


Entered at Mon Aug 10 21:14:18 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Another Civil War General

Confederate Brig. Gen. Daniel Chevilette Govan was from Levon's neck of the woods. A planter near Helena, Arkansas at the outbreak of the war, after taking part in several major battles he was captured by Union troops during the Atlanta Campaign. Months later he returned to action after being freed in a prisoner exchange for Gen. George Stoneman, who had been captured after a botched raid near Macon.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 19:03:48 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

JQ, a link to Abraham Lincoln's brother in law.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 14:05:09 CEST 2015 from (70.49.46.80)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Book by Elliott Landy

I have it on good authority that the Elliott Landy book is moving along. It is being consistently reviewed to make certain that it is exactly what the author wants it to be. We are getting closer to a realistic completion.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 10:42:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Tex Ritter

Over at Toppermost, Calvin has an excellent article on Tex Ritter (linked). A lot was new to me, and it's "Pre-Americana Americana" as much as "C&W."


Entered at Sun Aug 9 12:05:51 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Kev

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 9 08:02:28 CEST 2015 from (92.18.213.177)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: The Capitol Albums 1968-1977 - album review

The Band, The Capitol Albums 1968-1977 - album review: Pioneering rockers who changed the course of popular music.


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carmen

Location: pa
Web: My link

Subject: amy helm & roger waters

did you guys see this


Entered at Sat Aug 8 23:52:22 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Ok, I’m off to bed with Els & “Music - shelter for the frazzled mind!”

I wonder what tomorrow will bring.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 21:28:52 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Subject: Bessel Waves

As a kid my third teeth dropped into a glass of beer. This was my raw introduction into simple harmonic motion (Bessel Functions). I was interested and began to do some tests.

I placed a cup of coffee on a loudspeaker, driving the speaker with a signal generator where you can vary the frequency (the rate at which the speaker goes up and down) and the amplitude (volume). From there to a power amplifier and that goes into the speaker with the coffee cup.

With this simple set up the coffee forms standing waves patterns caused by the music.

I’ve tested hundreds of songs with my cup of coffee and from all my annotations one always stayed with me: at the end of “We Can Talk” the Bessel Waves form the letters (in sequence) “bbeatles bboring”.

I have always had the impression that this “joke” was created under the influence of alcohol by one or more Band members.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

A magnificent organ in your church, NWC, and a stirring composition. Thanks for the link. It would be truly a treat to see and hear Garth.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 19:52:45 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

There is some humour in advertising skin whitening formulas on a tribute page to The Band.......up next, the spammer crowd targets rock band Rush and their website with female hygiene ads............I do miss the Spellcasters though........while not quite of the quality of Al Edge posts, they were good.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Splendid

The organ music and your church is splendid. Thank you. I have informed my kin who live nearby (near Lund) and if possible when the Garth date is set, they may appear if they are able.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 12:12:41 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Two minutes and fourteen seconds of the organ Garth hudson will be playing soon.

My link.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 08:22:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Almost every day our webmaster deletes a spam post from a person calling themselves How To Make Your Skin Whiter. As it will be gone by the time most read this, Kevin J's comment will be enigmatic. But for Kevin, I link to a newspaper article this week with a photo of three unsatisfied customers of our spammer.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 07:23:50 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Answer: "Billie Jean" and go from there !


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Posted by:

how to make your skin whiter

Web: My link

I love the content on your website. Thanks a bunch.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 22:27:45 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Bach & Headphones

Headphones make a difference, just got a Sony MDR-V55 (sale) not expensive and a good sound (hear more/better).
Listening to Bach (link) I noticed this YouTube comment underneath from people who love their instrument. I don’t know what they’re talking about but they are serious and lost in their organs.

Only Garth and Pat know the meaning of this:.

A: “Nice to hear Bach on a Hammond..The only thing is that the pedal is 8 and 16 feet bass.. Also the 16 foot drawbar is set to both keyboards and clashes with the pedal bass at times.Would be better on the Hammond classic.”

B: “But as you can see he's using the A preset on both manuals (not using the manual drawbars).”

Player: “This was a choice I made. I really can play fast and at 8' but I wanted the hammond to sound with "gravity" like on a cavaillé coll organ at sunday morning....unfortunatly the pedal won't go lower than 16' or something with a 12'! On the Hammond RT3 organ there's a 32' bourdon and even a bombarde 32':-)”


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:52:03 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: David P

Speaking of great covers. Remember Jane Oliver doing He's So Fine?


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:32:57 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Uncovered

Shawn Colvin's upcoming album "Uncovered", to be released Sept. 25, will include a version of "Acadian Driftwood." Other highlights from this collection of covers includes Springsteen's "Tougher Than The Rest." Paul Simon's "American Tune," Tom Waits' "Hold On," John Fogerty's "Lodi," and Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" (with David Crosby). Ms. Colvin's earlier covers album, "Cover Girl" (1994), featured an excellent live version of "Twilight." Steuart Smith, who worked on that album, returned to co-produce "Uncovered." Mr. Smith, as some may recall, has lately worked as the "hired gun" guitarist in the Eagles after Don Felder was kicked out of the nest. This fall Ms. Colvin will be opening for Don Henley's tour supporting his "Cass County" release. Mr. Smith also collaborated with Mr. Henley on that album.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:31:39 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Uncovered

Shawn Colvin's upcoming album "Uncovered", to be released Sept. 25, will include a version of "Acadian Driftwood." Other highlights from this collection of covers includes Springsteen's "Tougher Than The Rest." Paul Simon's "American Tune," Tom Waits' "Hold On," John Fogerty's "Lodi," and Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" (with David Crosby). Ms. Colvin's earlier covers album, "Cover Girl" (1994), featured an excellent live version of "Twilight." Steuart Smith, who worked on that album, returned to co-produce "Uncovered." Mr. Smith, as some may recall, has lately worked as the "hired gun" guitarist in the Eagles after Don Felder was kicked out of the nest. This fall Ms. Colvin will be opening for Don Henley's tour supporting his "Cass County" release. Mr. Smith also collaborated with Mr. Henley on that album.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:10:08 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Booker T. Jones at NPR.

brown eyed girl: Thank you and enjoy your vacation !


Entered at Fri Aug 7 16:54:05 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jackie DeShannon

Peter, check out Jackie's album "When You Walk In The Room." She does acoustic versions of her hits and other songs. Needles and Pins is just beautiful sung as a ballad.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 12:31:23 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.83)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Women playing harmonica

Is there anything better than a woman playing harmonica Dylan style - or is it Woody style. Yes, there is: TWO women playing harmonica Dylan style - or is it Woody style.

1. When BOB DYLAN came to Polar Music Prize ceremony in Stockholm he nearly fell asleep. He woke up when LOUISE HOFFSTEN took the scene and played harmonica.

2. My link shows the local singer/songwriter NILLA NIELSEN playing harmonica in the harbour restaurant in this fishing village. You don't see me but you'll hear my voice among other drunks in the audience. Enjoy.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 06:51:43 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Gen A P Hill

Hi Pat B - I'm re watching Ken Burns' Civil War, after recently reading the war bio - Rebel Yell - of Stonewall Jackson and I was wondering if you saw a bit of A P Hill in Levon Helm, particularly if you started to assign Civil War generals to the Band and its member's dynamic? There sure is a clear physical resemblance there to Levon -


Entered at Fri Aug 7 03:22:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Naw, she's too nimble and too clever to be Coach SD. My bad.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 02:01:38 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Oh, Patty. You frumpy, hormonal wisecracker!


Entered at Thu Aug 6 23:32:04 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norbert, I think that's Coach.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 22:19:32 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: 1996 Band Album Heist

Never-before-seen footage shows a possible suspect of the 1996 heist (5 CD albums hanging on the left wall of this just opened The Band GB were stolen as all regulars know).

Surveillance footage has surfaced showing a heretofore unknown lady crossing the street with the suspected Band albums in a paper bag just outside the GB, thereafter wrecking a car before disappearing.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:49:06 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Cilla Black Passed-RIP

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/arts/music/cilla-black-who-turned-a-coat-checking-job-into-a-singing-career-dies-at-72.html?ref=todayspaper


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:41:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jackie DeShannon Toppermost

Jackie DeShannon now on Toppermost (follow link). Please comment over there if so moved.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:30:28 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.83)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Web: My link

Subject: Music in Lutheran Churches

Classical organ music and other type of profane music is often played in Lutheran churches in Nordic Countries. My link shows yesterday's "chanteuse" in Church of Saint Mary where Garth and Maud Hudson will perform soon. The church was nearly full of believers and non-believers and everything in between. Nilla Nielsen is a local singer/songwriter - actually, born in this fishing hamlet - author and a tsunami survivor.

Enjoy the song and the church.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:06:35 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Producer Billy sherrill was an exponent of the countrypolitan sound, best known for his work with Tammy Wynette and George Jones. He resurrected Charlie Rich's career and produced Elvis Costello's foray into country, "Almost Blue."

Country singer Lynn Anderson also passed away last week. Her 1970 version of Joe South's "Rose Garden" became a mega-hit. That recording featured Pete Drake on pedal steel. Back in the late '50s Mr. Drake led a country band in Atlanta called the Sons of the South. The band included a teenaged Joe South, Jerry Reed, Roger Miller, Doug Kershaw and Jack Greene. Mr. Drake played on hundreds of country hits, including Charlie Rich's "Behind Closed Doors" and Tammy Wynette's "Stand By Your Man," both produced by Billy Sherrill. His work with Bob Dylan would also lead to him playing with George Harrison and Ringo Starr. On his own he recorded several songs to reach the country charts using a vocoder device to produce a "talking steel guitar" effect.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 12:25:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Suite Française

Link to my film review for those who've seen it. I was extremely belated in catching the film … so much so that it's already on DVD.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 12:23:46 CEST 2015 from (70.193.135.151)

Posted by:

David P

Bill M: Buddy Buie had a hand in writing hundreds of songs, but I don't believe "Tainted Love" was one. I have a copy of that Emmons/Breaux LP, "Minors Aloud" on the Flying Fish label, a great blend of jazz & country.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 02:21:19 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.143)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Did Buie have a hand in writing "Tainted Love". I react well to Billy Sherril's name, but am not sure why. Some stuff on Epic?

Al E: I still prefer Jethro Bodine's 'cyphering' - "Naught goes into naught naught times, carry the naught"... Oo-wee!

Buddy Emmons recorded. Very nice instrumental album with guitarist Lenny Breau, who recorded several jazz songs in '61 with Levon and Rick very capably acting as a jazz rhythm section.

In an interesting mashup, my mind insists on adding "the Hendersons will all be there / late of Pablo Fanque's fair" every time it runs through Leonard's "Hallelujah". I now don't think the song can do without this edit.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 00:58:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Not the best boot from the 74 tour but you get the idea.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 22:03:53 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Angie, that's it? Ah, well, good to see youse again. Happy Healthy Hogtown Summer to you, too, dearie. Wear sunscreen.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:25:04 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Violent Femmes....Two People

Happy Healthy Summer!

See you in September
See you when the summer's through


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:14:39 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Late at night....This song comes on the radio. Mid-eighties I think......Wow......Louuu has a new song.....nope.....instead a group who were very influenced by him and VU as well as many other groups.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:03:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BOB DYLAN: Outtakes, Alternates & Live Recordings, 1965-1966

"My favorite outtake, soaked in "Bob Dylan 1965-66" magic,
yet has no lyrics is "Number One" from a NYC January 27, 1966 Session."

"That's Bob with Robbie/Rick/Richard from The Band; plus Al Kooper on organ with Bobby Gregg on drums.

This Studio Band really twists and turns and would compel any lyricist up a mountain that would be difficult to come down from. I'm not even sure what Bob plays instrumentally on the track, or how much input he had. It sounds fairly thought-out. Perhaps it's a musical cousin to another track that I'm not adept enough to relate it to."

"Favorite moment: at (2:11) when the breakdown happens and the riff comes back triumphant.

"Here's what Sean Wilentz heard on the She's Your Lover Now tapes, full of Bob's cussin':"

Dylan became frustrated and angry at the next Blonde on Blonde date, held three weeks into the new year during an extended break from touring. In nine hours of recording, through nineteen listed takes, only one song was attempted, for which Dylan supplied the instantly improvised title, “Just a Little Glass of Water.” Eventually renamed “She’s Your Lover Now,” it’s a lengthy, cinematic vignette of a hurt, confused man lashing out at his ex-girlfriend and her new lover. Nobody expected it would be recorded easily. (Dylan’s manager, Albert Grossman, interjects on the tape, just before the recording starts, that there is a supply of “raw meat for everybody in the band.”) The first take rolls at a stately pace, but Dylan is restless and the day has just begun.

On successive takes, the tempo speeds, then slows a bit, then speeds up again. Dylan tries singing a line in each verse accompanied only by Garth Hudson’s organ, shifting the song’s dynamics, but the idea survives for only two takes. After some false starts, Dylan exclaims, “It’s not right…it’s not right,” and soon he despairs, “No, f*** it, I’m losing the whole f***ing song.” He again changes tempos and fiddles with some chords and periodically scolds himself as well as the band: “I don’t give a f*** if it’s good or not, just play it together…you don’t have to play anything fancy or nothing, just…just together.” A strong, nearly complete version ensues, but Dylan flubs the last verse. “I can’t hear the song anymore,” he finally confesses. He wants the song back, so he plays it alone, slowly, on his tack piano, and nails every verse. He reacts to his own performance with a little “huh” that could have been registering puzzlement or rediscovery. But Dylan would end up discarding “She’s Your Lover Now,” just as he would abandon a later, interesting take of an older song, “I’ll Keep It with Mine.”


Entered at Wed Aug 5 20:48:54 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

But, anyone who has a heart
Wouldn't want to turn around and break it
And anyone who ever played the part
He wouldn't want to turn around and fake it


Entered at Wed Aug 5 19:49:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Anyone Who Had A Heart - the fictional version

I linked this last year. This is the "Anyone Who Had A Heart" scene from "Cilla" where Sheridan Smith really gets the mood and feel (not quite as piercing on the high notes, but pretty damn near). She was tutored by Cilla herself for the role, so they say. OK, it's not the real thing, but it tells the story of the session guys, Epstein watching, George Martin watching. Fiction, yes, but a magnificent tribute in retrospect.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 19:19:36 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Passings

In the last couple of weeks we've lost songwriter/producer Buddy Buie, pedal steel guitarist extraordinaire Buddy Emmons and Nashville producer Billy Sherrill.

Buddy Buie was best know for his work with the Classics IV and the Atlanta Rhythm Section. His extensive songwriting credits include co-writing the lyrics to "Spooky," reorded by the Classics IV. Buddy and J.R. Cobb added the lyrics to the instrumental previously recorded by sax man Mike Sharpe. Dennis St. John played the drums on both versions of the song recorded here in Atlanta. Dennis later became the long-time drummer for Neil Diamond and accompanied him at The Last Waltz.

Buddy Emmons of course played pedal steel on countless sessions, including Levon's "American Son."


Entered at Wed Aug 5 18:48:41 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanks to Al Edge for the links to wonderful Cilla Black, and the Liverpool lads having fun at their chum's expense. Funny.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:56:41 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, I don't have any issue with foul language. I think my objection to the foul language thread was that it wasn't related to the Band or music in any way.

I haven't listened to 'Take No Prisoners' in some time. I remember finding a lot of Lou's comments very amusing, and the backup singers were a nice touch. Lou could definitely be a mercurial performer on stage. Hopefully there will be some archival live releases at some point.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:25:39 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Saturday, May 16, 2015
Vintage Re-Masters
Bob Dylan at the Hollywood Bowl - Part 3 (electric set)
We finish now with the tracks from the following electric set - eight in total, and again, only the third time in his career Dylan performed live with a band...

*Special note: the audio samples as here presented are protected under the Fair Use provision of U.S. copyright law. No direct or implied association is intended with Bob Dylan, Sony Music, the Hollywood Bowl, related organizations or any associates of Bob Dylan or their representatives.Comments: "Okay - so where's all the jeering, the boos, the catcalls? You won't find them here - proving that for some at least, Dylan's sudden "conversion" wasn't the betrayal it was made out to be. It's also interesting to hear several newly-minted rockers from Highway 61 being aired publicly prior to official release, in arrangements that pretty much mirror those on the LP. And the band really isn't bad at all - sure Al Kooper lacks Garth Hudson's virtuosity on organ, and Micky Jones' power may have suited these tracks better than Levon Helm's more nuanced style, but they get by fine (of course of the players featured here, only Robbie Robertson would remain with Bob throughout his remaining '65-'66 tour stops). With these remasters, we hope to have gotten a bit closer to the sound the audience might have heard from the stage that evening - with a bit more edge, clarity, and power than heard on the source tracks..."

Hey Ben. I was surprised you had Louuu's "Take No Prisoners" because you said you didn't like when people used foul language in the GB. I don't either when it's the same person and they go on and on.......no effect except for boredom. Once in a blue moon is very effective.

Yes, TNP is terrible musically except "Sweet Jane" is fine with all of Louuu's comedic observations about Striesand, Patti Smith......and his quick responses to comments called out by his fans. It was here I became acquainted with Yeats" famous quote from one of his poems....The Second Coming.

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."
Louuu then tells the audience to figure out where he's at.

Yes I have Louuu's boot, "American Poet". Thanks to Jon Lyness I found it in a NYC store. I wasn't enamoured with it but I'll give it another listen. I agree that "Rock and Roll Animal" is great......actually was the very first recording that turned me on to Louuu. I was in high school and there I was listening to "Heroin". We had just seen a documentary about this drug and weed...."Reefer Madness"......interested me a bit at the time because it seemed like a very social drug.....smack......no ffffffffff...... way.....ever, His "Live In Italy" didn't wow me at all......but if you don't have "New York", "Coney Island Baby", "Ecstasy", "Raven"......check out song samples. I also have his "Hudson River Wind Meditations".....Louu and I meditating together.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:17:59 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hey Si

One other good thing about that Builder's video apart from the laughs is that at least all our Canadian/American buddies will now know what we sound like!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:15:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The No Hiding Place video ; -0) and Jamie Redknapp

I think you've sussed it Si. I must have missed the Picton Clock but that would make sense. As does the bit into town but again I'd missed the monument. As you say the bombing damage was horrendous.

BTW - long tome since we swapped notes but what d'you reckon with the signings. Got to say as ever I'm far too upbeat but one thing I do know is this Gomez kid is gonna be some player from what I've seen in the pre-season games.

Pete - I reckon Jamie will be torn but end up supporting the underdog like all decent Englishmen - so looks like it'll be L'pool!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:48:17 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Al - That vid was hysterical and totally believable too. Some people are just no good with numbers.

The other vid appears to show James St/Lord St (going past Victoria Monument) and ending up at Central Station. It's hard to be sure though. It didn't half get bombed to smithereens. I'm convinced the first bit is coming from the direction of Picton Clock and the empty land on the right is where the school was eventually built. Just after that you can also see what became a row of shops on the right, currently an Indian and a Chinese restaurant plus a hairdresser. Hours of fun to had on YouTube.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:48:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, it's 250 miles, not 200 so it's going to take more than 7 minutes. Nearer nine or ten. Or would it be nearer 5 or 6? Definitely one or the other.

Jamie Redknapp will have mixed loyalties for the 2nd game.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:33:11 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Si

Did you catch that builder's video I linked.

Funny stuff. Absolute classic!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:30:46 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Awrite Si lad!

Got me confused more than a bit Si.

Very initial bit I'm assuming must be the southern end of Queens Drive but there don't seem to be houses to the right so maybe it's Mather Avenue. Then you can clearly see those shops at the corner of Fiveways and then it continues along Queens Drive. Then I can only assume it's on Vauxhall Road because of all the shops to the left but maybe it's james street. Or maybe it's Pall mall. Not sure. Then suddenly you can see the old Central Station frontage going up towards Lime Street.

You could spend days on all them other videos!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:13:35 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Al, I should have checked the description under the video. I didn't have the browser window opened far enough. I'm a daft get sometimes.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:08:55 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Al - Check out this silent footage from 1946. The first minute appears to show between Picton Clock and Childwall Fiveways (there isn't a roundabout yet and trams can be seen) and at about 38s you can see the building that was a Barclays Bank (I think it's a taxi office now) with those distinctive windows. They then drive down Childwall Valley Road until one minute in then the footage switches to the city centre. Do you recognize where they are in this part of the film?


Entered at Wed Aug 5 14:48:53 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Home is where the heart is

Totally agree Pete.

Don't matter how big or small the principle is the same. The club is such an integral element of any community, it is a sad day for those enduring principles when they are eroded chasing the dollar.

Not sure whether you're aware but you've got us second game of the season up at ours!!

If your team coach travelled at 200MPH I reckon you could make the 250 miles in about...er about 7 minutes!!

:-0)

PS Pete - we've spent about £80 million on new players so if you beat us I'll sulk. Badly!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 14:16:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, we’re trying to live with the news that the AFC Bournemouth stadium is now the Vitality Stadium. It’s been the Goldsands Stadium for a few years, but to locals it has always been Dean Court, being on the Cooper-Dean Estate. So, how would you feel if Anfield suddenly became the Adidas Arena or the Tetley Tea Stadium?

Loved the builders link. On building … this takes me back to Brooklyn. As in London, a lot of Gentrified places have gone for exposed brick walls – cafes, shops, apartments. I have to say, the 19th century Brooklyn brickie lacked the competence of his London counterpart. The bricks are uneven (which is down to the brickworks), but the lines are all over the place, the mortar sticks out in lumps, it’s not flat. Your London exposed brick wall is a thing of beauty, but you can see those American walls were made to be plastered over.

On entertainers and wealth, I thought I saw Des O'Connor in Waitrose this morning. But it might have been a lookalike.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:34:22 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Centre of human consciousness - or otherwise ;-0)

Actually if anyone still retains any doubts on Ginsberg's claim take a quick shufty at the linked video.

It's a bunch of Liverpool builders in a transit van questioning one of their mates about how fast he can go and how long it will take him to get into town.

So funny.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:20:44 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha - Ginsberg and the centre of the universe

Funny comment from Liverpool poet Brian Patten, whose floor in Liverpool Ginsberg slept on back in the early '60's:

"I think Allen believed the centre of human consciousness to be wherever he was at the time."

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:11:18 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Liverpool - Centre of the Universe

Got to throw this in too.

:-0)

Very possibly we were for a few years at least back in '63/64.

I think it was Allen Ginsberg who coined the term

And I'm pretty sure Ginsberg was prompted solely by the Merseybeat/Beatles phenomenon. I doubt very much he'd taken on board the thing which mattered even more to most scousers at the time.

namely the accompanying Liverpool FC/Bill Shankly phenomenon or indeed its own accompanying and unique Spion Kop/YNWA aspect - namely the instinctive re-inventing on the terraces of that Anfield Spion Kop of the sort of crowd culture you see today everywhere within sporting stadia the world over.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deffo us back then.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:02:56 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I just checked. I have eleven Cilla singles, 3 EPs and one LP. No CDs though.

Wow. Credit to you Pete lad.

You clearly had a maturely developed ear from early on. I can't claim any.

It's fascinating reading snippets from the likes of Morrissey citing some of Cilla's lesser know recordings as a source of inspiration. As you say she was very clearly underrated. Thinking back it may well have been that her singing/recording reputation amongst so many of us suffered so badly due to the Righteous Brothers comparison - so unfair when you consider it's very likely one of the all time greatest popular music recordings - and also the bitching I seem to recall regarding her taking from Dionne Warwick that initial Burt Bacharach composition and his selection of Cilla for Alfie.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 12:12:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great link, Al. Cilla was amazing. I was deeply shocked when I walked into the shop and saw the headlines. I was surprised how upset I was, actually. Going back to Sheridan Smith in the “Cilla” mini-series it was fascinating at how well she followed her intonation and phrasing in the songs, but also in those early Cavern scenes, she sang stuff which we know Cilla used to sing in those days, but which she never recorded. Through Sheridan Smith we could hear Cilla as the rock singer only Liverpool knew.

I agree on the songs, Al … You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling was a rare mistake. Not that she didn’t sing it well, because she did, but because the original was so powerful and different that it was unwise to try and beat it with a cover. I guess The Righteous Brothers weren’t that well-known, and it seemed worth a shot. As I said earlier, George Martin always booked the best session guys for Cilla, and The Beatles supplied her with a couple of songs too.

Guilty pleasures time. I just checked. I have eleven Cilla singles, 3 EPs and one LP. No CDs though.

Al, in spite of the heart-on-the-sleeve Stings and Bonos, I believe most very successful entertainers are about the same. It’s back to that Ringo Starr thing about living on Malibu Beach or back in his old house in Liverpool. He gave a straight and honest answer.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 11:51:52 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Cilla

Duty bound as a fellow scouser to put up a little acknowledgement to Cilla.

Skipping through it’s great to see some familiar names returning to the GB – Norm, Angie and Davey P – to name but a few. Been absent myself due to the usual preoccupied shite.

Anyroad on with the Cilla acknowledgement

A truly amazing career.

It's only when you watch all the telly clips that you realise just how amazing it was, just how prominent she became within the British psyche over such a long period within the both the entertainment fields in which she starred and just how unique it actually is for any artist of any type to make and sustain such an impact across such a period, let alone do it whilst appealing across the generations.

Reflecting upon the widespread empathy towards her I find that with myself the emotion that I feel is not so much for her passing because I do have to admit I was in no way a huge fan but rather predictably for me, it's for that whole Liverpool connection thingie. And especially when listening to ordinary Liverpool folks expressing quite genuinely and unashamedly their particular sadness over their fondness for a local icon they perceived rightly or wrongly as an ordinary Liverpool girl made good.

Of course, for the likes of myself who grew up through Cilla's pop star years and, conforming to type, quite callously dismissing her and her songs/singing as so much middle of the road crap it's only now as you listen more closely that you realise just how wrong and misguided such instinctive youthful conclusions can be about such things. Sure she was never a Dusty or Aretha or indeed a Dionne but the sort of vocal distinctiveness she brought to each song she tackled was actually a quite rare gift emulated only by the few. And as you listen and explore a bit more you realise there were some great songs amidst some really sweet yet soulful and very ernestly and powerfully delivered singing. Admittedly she was better suited to some songs [Anyone Who had a Heart, You're My World, Alfie] for each of which she had the definitive versions than she was for others [Youve Lost That Lovin Feelin] which paled badly in comparison to the definitive takes of others.

As for her being a multi-millionare entertainer deserting her roots and flouting her right wing political leanings - I'll simply say as a lifelong socialist I fail to comprehend the apparent contempt for her felt by some. For me such behaviour by those within her line of business is surely par for the course for most of that ilk. Sure I'd never follow such a course myself. Then again I don't have buck teeth and 10 million in a safe.

Anyroad. From me it's tara Cilla luv. You were clearly one of a kind and it served you more than well. You'll clearly be sorely missed by so many.

Link is to to a really sweet acoustic duet with Paul of his composition ‘Step inside Love’. The girl really did have a wistful tone beneath all that scouse adenoid power


Entered at Wed Aug 5 10:49:13 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Stones I Throw - "bluesy and toe-tapping"

I was searching my files for something for somebody else when my eye fell upon a selection of brief reviews of Dylan-related singles. This was sent to me long ago with just a publication date written on (26 November 1965) but I have a feeling they may be from New Musical Express.

"Crashing plod-beat with organ and harmonica, plus that indefinable coloured feel, highlight 'The Stones I Throw' by LEVON and the HAWKS - it's both bluesy and toe-tapping".


Entered at Wed Aug 5 10:38:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Information overkill

Short "rant" added to my blog on the proliferation of stupid road signs in Britain. I'd be delighted to hear of some North American examples … please comment there.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:44:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Time and place

Time and place – there’s always a downside (he said grumpily). London was great 1964-1969, I stayed there a lot with a girlfriend’s family But I didn’t have any money, so stood on the side lines watching. . In 1970, when I lived there, things were already souring rapidly, pushed by strikes, power cuts etc.

From reports here, Yonge Street was perfect in the early 60s BUT you couldn’t get a drink easily if you were young and Sundays were dead.

I always thought San Francisco, maybe 1965 and escaping late 1967 / early 1968. But then my interest in record collecting has had me in some long and interesting conversations with survivors in San Francisco, and you’d have to say the downside is your brain would be largely f*cked now.

Berlin mid to late 1990s? Very exciting.

Rome late 1950s? Sitting on a motor scooter holding an ice-cream watching Sophia Loren sip an espresso?

Vienna 1910? Chatting to the decadent artists?

In the end, I think Hollywood 1911 to 1929.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:43:52 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Breaking A New Band / Paul Stanley of Kiss

Link


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:16:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In London, urban renewal started along the south bank of the river in largely warehouse / factory / power station / wharf areas. It’s very different to NYC as these areas were heavily bombed anyway so had large gaps. The south bank has the fine views looking across to the buildings on the north bank, like the Houses of Parliament, St Paul’s etc. Huge apartment blocks are going up in all the spaces along the south of the river.

Yes, gentrification is creeping inexorably further south and inland because London property prices mean people look there. At the moment, it still retains a large degree of social and ethnic diversity, because the bombsites were often replaced with social housing which remains social housing, so gentrification is patchy rather than blanket.

In Memphis, there appeared to be a permanent protest site by the Museum of Civil Rights which was about gentrification in that area. In that case, it had an aspect of “bleaching”.

The other bit is rural gentrification. That has a bad aspect where second homes begin to take over all the nice small houses, leaving nothing for locals. The weekenders buy thatched cottages on beautiful spring days, and they complain when autumn comes round and the field behind them gets covered in pig manure, smelling for months, then tractors drive up and down behind their houses in a cloud of pesticides, while they are kept awake by the rural cock crows and the incessant whirring of the wind farms.

A little politics. The campaign to choose a new Labour leader here is ironic. The party has decided that it lost because it was ruled by a Blairite London elite who had no connection to its industrial cities. So the sudden front-runner is an outsider and a left-winger. Predictable. The irony is that he is the MP for Islington in London, which must be the wealthiest Labour seat in the country … due to gentrification, but by the Labour-voting media and political elites.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 07:20:27 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Sweet Lou

Brown Eyes Girl, Nice link. I am a fan of 'Take No Prisoners'. Lou definitely does Lou better than anyone else. In terms of musical content, I would give the nod to 'Rock and roll animal' and 'Live In Italy' over Prisoners, but in terms of overall ambiance, Prisoners is the clear winner.

Have you heard the 1972 radio broadcast of Lou and the Tots? It's been released under several different names. I think the most common version is called 'American Poet'. That's a really good live recording from early in Lou' solo career.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 06:12:37 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Comedy with Louuu....Now I would have loved to have been there in 1978!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 06:09:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: KEVIN J/LOUUUU

Kevin J....Thank you so very much. You always seem to know what to say and you always make me laugh. Your presence is really appreciated here. Btw, as a student I worked one summer at Holt Renfrew. I didn't feel comfortable with the women who did their shopping in between their charity work. I was never their faithful servant so my sales were the worse. One daily benefit.....The elevator guy.....old store then.......exact image of Robbie Robertson.....The Robbie of TLW

Comedy of the night/day!

Now Ben.....I know you dig Louuuuu.....but this time.....no peeking in.....as he uses a lot of foul language here. Sorry......as he does Louuu better than anyone.....at the Bottom Line in NYC. It was maybe two years later that he evolved into the more progressive Louuuu.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 04:07:37 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Rod Stweart reuniting for a show with living Faces.

See the link.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:29:02 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Town of Woodstock. Say 66/67 till 74/75, or I wouldn't argue extending it even till the later 80s if ya want.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:24:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

...and of course Toronto's Yonge Street scene 1960-1964 - just to hear The Hawks.....Go-Go dancers, Robbie's wicked guitar and Richard Manuel in what must have been perfect voice......heaven !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:17:39 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: cultural epicenters & their time

Memphis 1955 too?


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:00:23 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Memorable Cities in Time....

.......I would add 3 places to JQ's post......Shanghai, early 1930's.....great architecture, unbeatable nightclubs, exotic women, opium dens, only major city on planet untouched by the recession..........Montreal 1967-1976.......bookended by the Expo World Fair 1967 and Olympics 1976 and no-contest best restaurants in North America, best looking women in North America and the most decadent nightlife in North America ( oh, and 5 Stanley Cups ! ) and Kingston circa 1982, for KJ's apartment - see all of the above except the Cups and the food !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 02:31:57 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Great places to live and be

If one considers cities and locales historically, some terrific spots in recent time and place are memorable I think, like London 1966, NYC 1928/1939, Greenwich Village 1950/1961, SF 1966, LA 1947, Berln and Paris 1925, etc.

I think the question is: where is that "it" place today, and maybe 5 years hence? I guess the only restriction is that it be a very big city... but maybe not -

Speaking of the moneyed crowd that are accused of wrecking some nice places recently, I read a review of a great dive bar where the author used the word "slick" as the collective noun for a group of yuppies!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 01:18:30 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Blame it all on HGTV and Zero Interest Rates

As soon as secretaries and shop floor guys all decided even they couldn't think of living in a house without kitchen back splashes and granite countertops and 5 bathrooms, everyone was cooked !

Great video, Jeff.............a thousand thesis could be written about these issues.......saddest part is when neighbourhoods become attractive due to vibes largely created by the artists living in them and then so expensive that the artists are forced out......even more cruel is the new residents complaining/outlawing the very things that once defined the neighbourhoods.

Down by The Henry Moore......I always think of Dunc when I hear it......love your spirit, brown eyed girl....uptown is a bit safer....though there is always the risk of being run over by a $6000 designer dress at the Bayview Mall !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 00:30:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Postcards from Toronto on video

Murray McLauchlan video is fantastic! Never saw it before. It represents (a) postcard/postcards for some of what is/was Toronto. Thank you.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 00:09:08 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, had you been specific, and not made a general statement...you'd not have heard a peep out of me. Clarification to what you were trying to state makes the difference. But i still say there is a difference to gentrification... Reviving a shotup, mostly abandoned and mostly worthless area, is very different from gentrification. Gentrification might result later... Especially if there is spread into nearby livable, but not high income areas.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 23:15:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, I was just saying that in London, though I couldn't afford to live there, the urban renewal on the South Bank has done the opposite to "Big Yellow Taxi" and turned a semi-industrial wasteland into a pleasant area. They tore up a parking lot and established a demi-paradise (for the theatre goer if no one else).

The Vancouver story is exactly what's happening here in Poole. Large bungalows are being demolished and replaced by 6 bed / 6 bath houses, nearly all built of triple glazed glass … much cheaper than bricks or stone.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 22:51:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thank you, jh

Thank you, Jan, for the information. Many would not speak of those times though they needed to for all of us that remained to make sure everyone knew what happened. It was all too painful for them. Fortunately, they are speaking now.

There is a certain integrity that manifested itself in your part of the world when times were tough and the result of that integrity were saved lives.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 22:36:58 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Murray McLauchlan via of Scotland to Toronto....Down by the Henry Moore.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 21:53:07 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Victoria BC

We really enjoyed our visit to Victoria a few years back. We took the seaplane from Vancouver (Peter V can probably guess why} and it was wonderful just to plop down in the harbour, taxi in and come ashore across from the imposing Empress Hotel (where we took afternoon tea one day - good grief, we were tourists after all).

I hope I haven't told this story before but, unbeknown to us, there was a travelling exhibition of Treasures from the British Museum at the Royal BC Museum. We went along and one of the exhibits was the Chertsey Shield, an Iron Age artefact. And Cherstey, which is a few miles from Heathrow Airport, was where we had left our car. So, we had travelled 6000 or so miles to see something around 2300 years old, which was found barely a mile from where we'd started. Kind of sums up the modern world, I thought.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 20:50:28 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jan, always good to read about GBers family & ancestors that were faced with dangerous situations, but acted with balls & courage, when confronted with moral choices in life or death situations.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 19:39:08 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, you wrote:"One person’s undesirable gentrification is another person’s desirable urban renewal." To which I respond that gentrification takes place in plenty of parts of Brooklyn & I imagine other cities or places that do not need that kind of renewal one fucking bit. While discussing her neighbors hom e, Lisa demonstrated that perfectly.There is a big difference between regular modernizing part of a home, doing a home improvement, even building an addition, and what happens during gentrification.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 19:11:16 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Rockin Chair, what a great story!

JT, I was in Victoria a few years ago - it's lovely, and reminded me so sadly of what Vancouver used to be like years ago. Vancouver is a victim of its own success. Pretty soon it won't even matter that the city has such a breath-taking view with its beautiful mountains, because you can hardly see them for all the condo towers. And many of these enormous houses that are changing neighborhoods so drastically are unoccupied. Case in point - the house next door to my mom's (in what used to be a completely average, middle-class neighborhood and is now relentlessly up-scale) - when our former neighbors died and the property was sold, their house was immediately demolished, to be replaced by a "mansion" with six bedrooms and seven bathrooms (I ask you, who on earth needs seven bathrooms in a house?). It has been sold twice since it was built, and the last time the price was listed at $4.5 million (my parents paid $17,000 for our house when we moved here in 1960 - well, it was a long time ago!). Whoever owns it now lives there a couple weeks a year. The rest of the time it sits empty.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 18:00:02 CEST 2015 from (79.153.108.82)

Posted by:

jh

Talking about WW2 and smuggling etc: My late father-in-law worked for the illegal resistance army, as a "pathfinder" for refugees from Norway that had to get over the border to Sweden to escape the nazis. They were mostly Jewish families that ran away from being deported to the concentration camps. He lived close to the Sweden and escorted groups of people through the woods and into safety, risking his own life, as the Germans would shoot at people trying to cross the border. Late in the war he was arrested and faced going to the concentration camps himself. During a winter march between prisons, he "lost" his shoes and was badly damaged by frostbite. Which resulted in hospitalization until the German war machinery was so run down they could no longer operate prisoner transports to Germany and Poland. He survived the war, regained his weight and went back to working in the local rubber factory until retirement. He would never talk about the war later in his life when I knew him, never showed anyone the medals that he was awarded. We found some information about his pathfinder missions and some people he saved in museum archives in Oslo.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 17:18:46 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

People always told me Victoria was the "Bournemouth of Canada" - gardens, flowers, buildings. Unfortunately, I think Bournemouth (where I was born) has declined badly in the last 20 odd years. Bournemouth and Poole were always Siamese Twin towns, inexorably joined. But now Bournemouth town centre just seems full of drunken wedding parties and hen parties at weekends, and kids pouring out of discos and clubs to puke on the pavements. On the other hand, Poole, where I live has taken over for my age group at least, with the old quay, beautiful harbor views and relatively peaceful town centre. Once a week hundreds of bikers assemble on the quay to admire each other's machines, but they're all plump and mellow nowadays!

I'm always amused by the narrow street running parallel to the quay, which in the early 19th century was a forest of ships' masts … it was a major port for the Newfoundland trade. As I say, it's right behind the dock buildings and is called … "Paradise Street." You may hazard a guess as to why.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 17:02:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One person’s undesirable gentrification is another person’s desirable urban renewal.

Our favourite place currently is the South Bank in London. When I lived in London, it was run down and the joke was that taxi drivers would decline a trip “south of the river.” Now it’s the coolest area. A lot of the regeneration is positive. The Menier Chocolate Factory is now an exciting theatre. We sometimes stay in the warehouse converted into apartments (which you can rent by the day) which used to be the Sarsons Vinegar factory. The old and tatty Borough Market is now considered one of the best “foodie” haunts in Britain. Restaurants proliferate around it. Shakespeare's brother is buried in Southwark Cathedral which forms one side of it. On the South Bank you have the National Theatre (three major theatres), The British Film Institute (where you can see classic films projected on big screens), The Royal Festival Hall, The Queen Elizabeth Hall (classical music), The Old Vic Theatre, the Young Vic Theatre, Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre, the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse, the Menier Chocolate Factory Theatre. Add the huge Tate Modern art museum. The South Bank theatres contrast with the "commercial theatres" in London's West End. The South Bank ones are cleaner, much more comfortable, usually cheaper and have the best productions.

We can spend a week in London and barely bother to venture north of the river nowadays. In 1970-71 the brutalist concrete of the National Theatre complex was criticized as a dark and dangerous mugger’s paradise with its walkways and steps (and it was). Now it’s one of the liveliest parts of London. So, yes. it’s been gentrified, but a lot is converted Victorian industrial buildings, other bits are misguided 50s and 60s development, but now it all seems to hang together.

You can say the same about Berlin, where the old “East Side” has become the most attractive part. it’s a process.

(BTW, for JT, Toronto is Mrs V’s favourite city of the places we’ve visited).


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:49:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Victoria BC

Mike (and anyone else who is interested): The first time I came to Victoria BC and actually visited was in the later 1980s. I was giving a lecture at an annual meeting and I knew nothing about it. I was (for the first time) in BC a few years earlier in Vancouver and I thought it was superb. But Victoria is one of the hidden gems of Canada. Relatively few get over from Vancouver to visit. John D knows. It has the most beautiful gardens (Butchart) that I have ever seen and there is a musical venue there (one of the times I saw Bruce Cockburn (last year). The university campus (University of Victoria) is lovely. Walking the downtown streets reminds you of how different cities can look. There is a height restriction on buildings and you still see old buildings from a century ago. It has an exquisite little 'Chinatown'. As you move away from downtown, it has the prerequisite malls and 'golden mile' stores. Sidney is a lovely town not far from the airport. The ferry to Vancouver makes it easy (and enjoyable) to get back and forth if you have a few hours. It seemed so 'far away' from everything I knew before. Little did I know that fate would have me end up moving here only 15 years later. I love this city and would suggest that anyone with a love of something different give Victoria BC a few days of your time. You won't be sorry!


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:36:32 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Even Victoria seems to have grown exponentially from the time I first visited that city, especially northward, toward Sidney. But the region itself is beautiful, and there is always the climate.The Gulf Islands are something else. I would have moved there in my youth had I known a little more about the country.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:29:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: rear view Mirror

I feel the same way, Mike. I love going back to Toronto for a week every so often (and I do,mainly for work and to see family) but I return to the beautiful Victoria and am happy to do so. Its a hoot to be in TO though and we have a great time there whenever we go. It has none of the beauty and serenity of Victoria.

But don't get me wrong. There is lots to do in Victoria. Tonight we go see the Harbourcats vying for a wild card position with 5 games left in the season. (some of the players are signed to the majors). Its a good city with good restaurants and enough to do when you want it to live as well as enjoy the splendid weather most of the year. And most important to me are the small venues where we actually get to meet many of the performers after their shows. We're way past large arenas and 3 day events now. But to meet Bruce Cockburn, Aaron Neville, (the late) Jeff Healey, Stephen Fearing, and many others is not something easily accomplished in TO.

So, I'm with you on always wanting to go home after visiting a place. I even feel that way after visiting Miami or places in Europe. If you love where you're living, its always nice to go home. But I'm glad you explained yourself, Mike. It originally sounded more negative.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:21:31 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Toronto is obviously one of the world's great cities, and I look forward to visiting every now and again. When I was a younger man, it was great to be in its midst -- so exciting, so vibrant. But it's solitude I now seek in my introspective years, and I'm always anxious to leave for home whenever I visit. That's what I meant, JT.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 15:05:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Righteous'

Yes, in the horror of that war, a few showed what good human beings could accomplish. Not enough is ever said about these events. What happened to those who arrived? Are their families still living in your midst?


Entered at Tue Aug 4 15:00:49 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Toronto has changed a lot since I arrived here to further my schooling. Right now every available space is used for condos. We are now North America's capital. Our two floor townhouse Co-Op unit is only 800 square feet. We can't even afford a 400 square foot condo unit as we wouldn't want to have a mortgage at this time in our lives so we'd have to move.......We just had our Pan Am Games......then our Caribbana Festival where even former Raptor Doug Christie brought his son and Kevin Durant was in town so maybe he checked it out before being at Toronto Blue Jay game yesterday. I never liked Calypso music so I haven't attended in years. The last time I did attend with my Jamaican friend who took me there three times......a police officer told us to go home at 6:00 as the gangs were out. I wasn't aware of gangs in the late seventies......I've always lived downtown except in the west end a couple of times. We had a murder behind my building and one beside my building where that night at midnight I heard four pop, pop, pop, pops. I was attacked just around the corner in broad daylight and unfortunately the way I fell......wrist was broken. He was never found but I still remember.......He probably lived in one of the many half-way homes in my hood. I think it's called a random act of violence.......

As far as music and some art......food markets, medical services.......We have it all.....That's why we're called the small apple.

I recently saw some of my cousins who have lived a more sheltered life and of course their reaction was why haven't you moved?! We're still saving to move to THE place. If his work wasn't so precarious we'd have moved a few years ago. Toronto is great when you're young and you have money.....very expensive city. We're young at heart.....I would miss some things for sure if we moved to a small town talk place.....just like the one I grew up in.....whereas imagezulu was raised in the west end where he didn't witness what I have......The difference here from NYC is although we have racism as well.....in general hoods are more mixed.....When I stayed with friends in Brooklyn......I can't remember the hood......no whites.....If you go to west Eglinton.....a lot of Jamaicans but not only......Reggae group Black Uhuru (Freedom) wrote a song about hood......"Youth of Eglinton". Two streets over from where I live.......affluent Victorian home owners......or they break up their large homes into apartments......Danny Marks still lives one street over from us....He sometimes performs at our Cabbagetown Festival.....skater Toller Cranston used to live here......Avril Lavigne used to have a home two streets over as well as Carole Pope. The only people I know who live in the more affluent area.......both are lawyers and the other couple.....She was an educational consultant and partner an architect. My Co-Op is very safe and well taken care of and the neighbours are mostly friendly. We have won awards for the programs that are offered here and for the inclusive community that lives here.....It was close to my work....10 minute bus ride or 30 minute walk....walk evrywhere downtown so no need for a car.....Rent is lower here as well.....so.....You can't have everything.....I'll always have my music and books and many mind blowing experiences in life......I'm affluent in another way. :-D

Song of the day!

Another reggae group I saw at Massey Hall from England......UB40!

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Aug 4 14:52:11 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Son of a son of a smuggler.

Thank you to your ancestors, you Scandinavian madman.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 11:15:21 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Local history

Thanks JT. Actually, we live in an old fishing village outside of the town. It was best known as a smugglers' nest. It was good for your people because during the WW2 these fishermen took 7000 refugees from Denmark over the Strait. They changed their cargo from arsenic and alcohol to people. Let's remember them as heroes, though.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 06:33:47 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lisa, i don't know why, but i had mistakenly thought you lived in San Fransisco.
I'm quoting you from one of your posts about what is going on where you live: "Beautiful, liveable older homes torn down and replaced with these enormous houses that take up almost all the yard space." That kills me and it is a constant here in Brooklyn. Even in cases where some one buys a one family, and either remodels it, or demolishes it and starts anew,with just a enormous one family (that could house a family of 20) they eliminate the yards and use every possible inch they can get away with or pay off inspectors and politicians to allow. And they tear down trees. Man, Brooklyn was loaded with trees and these retards are removing em.

Your link to that article abut Music Row in NYC- you beat me to it. the part where they discuss how efforts were made to get the local politicians to designate the block historic and make it a desirable, educational cultural attraction but the efforst fell on deaf ears- this is part of what i meant when i wrote about relevancy - in this case, how unless something or some ones appears to mean the most possible money in the long run,- here, in NYC, it's no longer relevant- especially to the people who are making the calls and the big money...

Jerry - thanks for the kind words. Mike Nomad! Watch the road :-) . Just busting em :-) . I also learned to drive the right way. Looking ahead, but always with a piece of an eye on that rearview. Today, these drivers- most of em shouldn't be allowed to drive go carts. Now they also got drones to fly.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 05:22:34 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: She Thinks I Still Care........George Jones

I guess I could put up a youtube link, but Y'all can find it for yersselves!

This is one of the first songs of George I ever started to sing back about 1965. So here is a story, (don't remember if I ever put this up here before.

Long about 1986 or 7 I had a real smokin' country - country rock band in the Vancouver, Fraser Valley area. We played all the biggest clubs and we named our price. It was a fun time.

There was a guy, live stage show promoter, you guys remember, (under assistant west coast promotion man". He had put a show together with George Jones at the"Cave Supper Club". This was a major show lounge in Vancouver, long since gone. Many years ago my sister was the head waitress riding heard o the crew woman. Anyway this promotion guy whose name was Jim Howe had put this show together. Now we have to go back a little here. This was in the days when George Jones has that handle, "No Show Jones", because he more often than not got drunk and never showed up!

Well this Jim Howe got the jitters than George would let him down and he was trying to fill this room. So Jim came around to a bunch of us playing in bars and gave us "free" tickets with the lecture, tell all your friends and see if we can get everyone down and fill the place!

Well..........George didn't show, however his band was great! They played their asses off. As there was only about 50 people in the place and we were right up close, (about 20 of us had got together and said...hell we might get to see George for free, so as most us were playing at our gigs, we got people to fill and for us and we gathered and got us selves down there). Now when these boys took a break and came off the stage, they came right by our table and said, "Thanks Y'all for comin." Well I'm not quite sure who it was, I think Fast Eddy Molyski whose studio I recorded my CD at. He says to this boy, "Well if you need a Jones up there, this is Norm Jones." The boy says to me, "Y'all want ta come and do a set with us?" I says ....."Sure what the hell". He says, do you know any of George's songs? I say yaeh, lots. First song I sing is, "She thinks I still care". One of the best nights of my life. I also did a couple songs like........Webb Pierce......Back Street Affair. I figured George owed me..........but I never took him to task for it -:)


Entered at Tue Aug 4 04:09:01 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Little Willie John

She Thinks I Still Care. With Vibrato to spare. I'd take the vibrato and still give my left nut to have that kinda singing voice. When you can sing like that, one nut is all you need.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 03:39:43 CEST 2015 from (174.252.48.35)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Didn't It Rain

Just wrapped up at Amy Helm's album release party for 'Didn't It Rain' here on the lower east side of Mahattan. Great time, and this band has really gelled. Never heard them sound better. So proud of Amy. Really wonderful night.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 03:10:26 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal

I love Montreal. It has a vibe that Toronto will never have, but we are improving. I know most Montrealers (except those who moved here in the 70s) hold Toronto at some level in disdain. But I do appreciate the apology. Very civil and what I would have expected, Mike. Thank you.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 02:50:01 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

With apologies to JT, Toronto always looks great . . . in my rear-view mirror.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 01:26:31 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: About Toronto

The same thing did not happen in Toronto to the same extent, though neighbourhoods have changed. The city spread north to Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Newmarket, Aurora etc. There is a lot of land as you go north up Yonge St. and Don Valley Pkway/404 etc

Many of the neighbourhoods in downtown and midtown Toronto look similar to what they did 50 years ago (but clearly not 100 years ago, from photos I have seen on line). But, there are many new skyscraper condos all over changing the skyscape in midtown Toronto. What has changed (for the better) is the number of restaurants in Toronto. Sixty years ago, when I was a kid, there were very few places where you could eat. Now, there are restaurants of all types and descriptions. / There are many hotels of all sizes spread all over the city. We have Art Galleries of all sizes and a major museum and other small ones. Entertainment is growing, but still lags compared to a place like NYC. What we don't have in Toronto is an area like historical (50 years ago) Brooklyn with its individualism in so many aspects. What we do have are ethnic areas of Toronto, all of which continue to grow (Little Italy, Portuguese area, Indian area, Little Jamaica, Chinatown etc). When have sports teams and hope to have an NFL team one of these days

. Distinct areas continue to thrive. There is a growing entertainment area downtown catering to the 20s-30s. Queen St. west is a growth area of creativiity. The Beaches (on Lake Ontario is a small enclave with a somewhat distinct personality. The diversity of Toronto makes it an interesting city. We have our 'difficult areas' too but in general, Toronto remains a relatively safe city where there is lots to do. For those who know it and have lived in it a long time, it retains its positivity. But understand, there are many from other parts of Canada who loathe Toronto and have nothing good to say about it. The El Mocambo is there in name alone but The Horseshoe Tavern remains. Hugh's Room is a great small venue to hear artists that many hear admire. Massey Hall is undergoing renovation and is still a terrific venue. Roy Thompson Hall is a newer entertainment site. We have a number of other mid-size locales for music and of course the arena acts still go to Air Canada Centre. We now have an Opera Centre and some small and medium sized theatres for staged plays. (musicals, drama etc.).

Bill M and BEG can tell you more about Toronto.

I write this to perhaps stimulate others to talk about their local environment. Jeff A stimulated this post with his wonderful work and posts and I also noted the message about Garth Hudson and Helsingborg and a 12th century church. We know little about where you all live and what those places can offer. Let's hear from you.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 20:04:31 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Subject: Attempt to post a link


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:49:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Haircuts

Looking at the kids dancing... the Beatles were out... no haircuts yet...everybody with parts and clean standard cuts...same as with the Beatle shows at Ed Sullivan... it took a while. Liverpool was here but the haircuts would come next year.

Great song, isn't it? Written by a relatively unknown Italian composer but made a hit only by the great Cilla.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:42:25 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tracy Chapman sings Dylan

I very often play this. Love to watch this clip of Tracy singing this song.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:36:47 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, lousy typing. Cilla . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:35:00 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Web: My link

Subject: Cilia Black

You're My World.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 17:50:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: "You're My World"

Cilla Black: "You're My World" - anthemic for lovers and stands alone.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 17:45:03 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: RIP Cilla Black

Greatly saddened by the news of Cilla's death at 72. She was a national icon. The recent TV miniseries with Sheridan Smith as Cilla was a fitting tribute. Her version of Anyone Had A Heart is still unbeaten, and George Martin lavished the very best session musicians on her studio work. OK, her return as a TV host was self-parody, but musically she leaves a great legacy - under-rated too.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 15:04:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!

Black response to Dylan's "Blowin' In The Wind"......Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come".
.....I've also really liked "Bring It On Home To Me".....Lou Rawls vocals just makes the song even better.

One time at a New Year's Eve house party hosted by Mr. Gadjet who had his own TV show....My jazz boyfriend at the time started playing "Summertime" on the piano.....All of a sudden the host kicks us all out!! I don't know if it was Sasha's voice (not so good)....He was an upright bass player but gave it up in Russia as he knew he wouldn't be able to play full-time.) or his piano playing.....or what.....but it was such bad karma that we couldn't get out fast enough.....lol


Entered at Mon Aug 3 14:38:45 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"The five men were a “functioning democracy”, according to Big Pink producer John Simon, listing their attributes. Danko was “a very melodic bass player and a lot of fun to hang with”. Helm was “a born musician, who sang with the tradition of those generations-ago singers of sincerity and conviction in his subconscious”. Hudson was – and is – a “genius with a Cartesian mind” and Manuel was simply “The Singer”. Robertson, meanwhile, was the director figure, overseeing the entire picture, “paying special attention to how all the elements in the arrangement fit together, including his guitar parts”.

Although he would not fully emerge as The Band’s principal songwriter until their second album, the guitarist was already “the architect of their sound”, says Simon. On “Caldedonia Mission” and “Chest Fever”, principally sung by Danko and Manuel, respectively, he would sing their lines to them to let them know exactly what he wanted, and they would copy his phrasing. “It was casting on my part,” says Robertson. “Who could pull off these songs the best?” The sense of character and emotional authenticity was key. Robertson imbued his new songs, and others such as “The Weight” and “Yazoo Street Scandal”, with a tangible sense of place and personal history which came to define The Band’s music. “It was all stuff gathered subconsciously playing the Chitlin’ circuit,” he says. “Going from Canada down to the Mississippi Delta, it overwhelmed me and got under my skin. All the names of the places – there really was a Yazoo Street! I started putting them up in my attic, and years later I went in and pulled these things out.”

The last song recorded was “The Weight”. Robertson had written it as a homecoming gift for Helm, who had returned to find all the lead vocals already assigned to Danko and Manuel. “I thought, Jeez, I want to write a song that Levon can sing better than anybody, ’cause I knew his abilities,” says Robertson. “He was my closest friend and I wanted to do something really special for him.” Even so, its magnetic, timeless quality only revealed itself in the studio. “It was on the back burner,” adds Robertson. “Like, if these other ones don’t work out I have something else we could go to. I didn’t realise what it was until we recorded it and listened back.”

Happy Healthy Simcoe Day in Toronto...Happy Healthy Civic Holiday!

Happy Healthy Monday!


Entered at Mon Aug 3 14:14:32 CEST 2015 from (32.216.244.98)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Jan H

JH. Sent you an email through the site.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 05:33:04 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, yes, in scale to the monstrosities on either side, that great old house appears small. That is a sizable artery, two lanes in each direction. On one end of that block there were always two apartment buildings. I don't recall if they were 4, 5 or by the neighborhood, at the very most, 6 story. I grew up a third of a mile away. there were bout 7 of those private houses on that block, with a 4 or 5 story apartment building at the north end. Those houses were all large, gorgeous two and a half story, as the lowest level was half sunken. Many housed a doctor's office and a family or two. They could function as anything from one to three family. Lengthwise, they were at least 70 feet deep, possibly more. All had their own driveways and sizable garages. My eye doctor owned one of those as long as i remember, till he sold it bout a year ago.. There's two of those houses left now. The density getting added to the population of people & cars is staggering, the new buildings going in have underground parking garages of course. And of course the skyline shrinks... .... Norbert, some of these old Brooklyn brick homes, got built three layers of brick deep in the walls.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 19:20:18 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

joan

Subject: Garth

Happy Birthday Garth., Hope it is a great one.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:53:48 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Returns of the Day

Happy Birthday to the one, the only, wild wacky & wonderful Garth Hudson. Thank you, Garth, for enriching all of our lives with your magnificent soulful sounds. May you have a great day today!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:51:30 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Garth Hudson! Thanks for the music as one of the best musicians modern music has ever seen, but, and maybe more important, for being such a great person. Have a great time with Maud!

Beautiful Garth, thank you.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:50:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Garth's Three Best Moments Live with The Band (other than Chest Fever):

1) Intro to Stage Fright, Before The Flood

2) TNTDODD, Final Chorus, Carter Barron Amphitheater, Washington DC, July 1976

3) Get Up Jake, organ solo, Rock of Ages.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 17:23:26 CEST 2015 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

HAPPY 78TH BIRTHDAY to my biggest inspiration in this world, a man we all love dearly, Mr. Garth Hudson. Thank you for everything you have given me!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 15:42:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Windsor, Ontario

Born in Windsor Ontario: Garth Hudson, Jack Scott (Giovani Scafone) Shania Twain, Skip Spence (Quicksilver Messenger Service, Moby Grape), Jeff Martin (Tea Party).

Happy Birthday, Mr. Hudson. Many are looking forward to your sojourn to south Sweden.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 12:58:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Garth Hudson. We have a large family party here today and I will raise a toast in your honor while "French Girls" plays.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 11:20:10 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Happy Birthday Garth. Best wishes and have a great day.

BEG - That is a fantastic photo. Many thanks for posting.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 11:02:20 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Norbert reminding me of Van's "Reminds Me Of You".....lyrics....organ just tops it off.

Happy Healthy Birthday to Garth!

Happy Healthy Sunday!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 10:56:59 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Great musical gift from Canada
Always teaching other musicians
Ready to play Lowrey organ, piano, keyboards, saxophones, accordion, horns
The Band member
Hudson in London, Ontario and Woodstock, NY celebrating his BIRTHDAY today!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 10:20:34 CEST 2015 from (92.19.39.194)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Happy Birthday Garth

I wish that for every extra candle on your cake, you receive an extra reason to smile. Happy Birthday to you!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 02:24:26 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe k

Location: Foggy Dew
Web: My link

Subject: New Music

Link is to a young lady (from ? Hamilton, Ont.) named Terra Lightfoot. She's rocking out a whole lot more here than on her debut. Remember I introduced you to Sarah Harmer, Carolyn Wonderland, Serena Ryder and Amelia Curran.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 01:29:15 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: My Home Town ....... Progress?

It is appropriate to listen to Springsteen thinking of our towns the way they used to be. My home town of Comox used to be a sleepy little sea board town. Now we call the Comox Valley, "Vinyl Valley".

There isn't too many high rises but it is getting that closed in feeling. I'm more comfortable in these little villages. I can't imagine living in those cities..... just not built that way.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 00:21:42 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

That's quite a vivid picture you paint there, Jeff!

It's the same here, endless development, condo towers everywhere, just cram more and more people in. Beautiful, liveable older homes torn down and replaced with these enormous houses that take up almost all the yard space. How this is at all ecological escapes me entirely. And now Vancouver is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in, according to some statistics anyway.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:40:19 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Jeff. You’re right, the down side of capitalism.

p.s. great vid, I like that lonesome little house between the biggies


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:34:48 CEST 2015 from (81.32.186.101)

Posted by:

jh

Garth and Sister Maud in Helsingborg, not this month, but soon. And we will be there!

NYC: Our former house DJ lives there now, in a beautiful, spacious apartment on 7th Ave in Chelsea, between 25th and 26th, right by the infamous Chelsea Hotel, in a beautiful building with doormen and all the services you may or may not want. The cost of living there is way more than yours truly make in a year. Demand and supply, as always. But how nice to have such a pad to stay in whenever we go to NYC -- he is always out there working and touring and has way too little time to enjoy the miracle of living right in the middle of prime Manhattan. Thinking about our own humble upbringing, working-class kids in rural Norway, no money for nothing. 50 years later....


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:17:12 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: recollection Brown Eyed Girl collection

Just like today it was warm Saturday evening in July, ten years ago in rural France. I drove my trailer back to Holland.

Wide corn fields, combines in dust clouds harvesting, alternating little villages. People sitting outside drinking wine before dinner at 8, having a good time.

I saw it all like a movie passing by, all car windows open. The CD player scans Brown Eyed Girl's Van’s Reminds My of You. Played it loud! (yes I did show off to the French). Every now and then I think of that beautiful trip home, everything was great and Van made it a perfect day.

------------------------------------------------------------------

I still have those great CDs, most stored in a map. But one ended up, as only CD, in my little vintage sports car. I only drive that car a few times a year; sunny Sundays only.

It’s a nice car but low and rather harsh, so I drive it mostly alone. I always put the sunroof open and play my Brown Eyed Girl's loud.

Anyway, on beautiful Sundays, our neighbors and the German Autobahn are lucky too.

Think tomorrow will bring a beautiful Sunday, thanks my Brown Eyed Girl.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 21:20:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Much the same comparing London and Poole - even though Poole is allegedly one of the most expensive "non-London" towns.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 19:24:45 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Brooklyn madness

Jeff I totally agree with you the real estate has gone crazy. New York was always a little out of everybody's reach but somehow there was a compromise there now it's just not even possible. I live in a four bedroom house out in the suburbs. If I wanted to move to Manhattan or Brooklyn in a decent neighborhood I couldn't get more than two bedroom apartment. It's crazy


Entered at Sat Aug 1 17:11:14 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Story of the day!

"Brilliant documentary about the life and times of Sam Cooke, featuring rare archive footage. Part 1-4 including Dixie Hummingbirds, Mavis Staples and Staples Family. One part there is no sound due to copyright. :-((((

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Aug 1 17:10:06 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Southern Sweden

For anyone who doesn't know, Helsingborg is in the south of Sweden (I have a particular interest in Lund and this area in general) and is a train ride from Copenhagen. It is truly a wonderful area to visit. I'm sure others here can tell you more about this beautiful area, but I though I would highlight it. The University of Lund itself is worth a visit as one of the truly old campuses in Europe.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 15:57:04 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Garth Hudson in Sweden

Looks like Garth Hudson in Helsingborg, Sweden (St. Mary's Church) is temporarily postponed. New date will be announced. (noted on July 30).


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:46:46 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

That's a great poster, NWC.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:46:11 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

NorthWestCoaster: AWESOME! That show will be such a treat.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:20:24 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Garth Hudson

This is how the poster on my local church from the 12th Century looks like / my link.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 05:58:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Advancing age and the bitterness of time poorly spent does strange things to Sour Dweebs.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 04:30:45 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lisa, what's going on here is traumatizing. NYC, Brooklyn included, always had plenty of people coming here form other places,that's nothing new. It's escalated, and the fact that while we were crowded in the 60s & 70s even, life was tolerable, but today the amounts of people and cars is numbing. Now add to that the construction of tall buildings is everywhere, and i mean everywhere, you canlt turn around without seeing it, we are being boxed in, the visual aesthetic nature is changing at warp speed, the cultural natures are changing, and Brooklyn itself is being hijacked and used as an empty brand, a new non culture, and the old culture has mostly disappeared and we're also in a way being told we're extinct and non relevant, the whole thing sucks. I know how the native Americans felt, i almost feel like getting a headrest, loincloth, tomahawk, bow and arrow, an Indian Pony, and riding bareback to the Brooklyn Bridge.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 03:47:03 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.27)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Terronto

Jh: I saw Levon with the Cates (the brothers plus Eoff and Cagle) in about 1980 in the Le Coq D'Or. I'm pretty sure they were there for a week and that they did a second week not all that long after. I went with a friend who was also friends with Levon - so she took me along when she went back to say hello between sets. They were terrific.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 03:32:34 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Love it, Jeff. (Does passing through LaGuardia count? Probably not.) I'm still counting on you for an hour's experience in the borough some day. That is, if I make it through this vale . . . . Take care, friend.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 02:57:26 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

So true, Jeff. And a sad song that can apply to probably any large city now, certainly this area. I notice you wrote that in 2001 - it's way worse now.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 02:18:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Norbert! & Especially Mike Nomad :-)

Those of you who have School For Fools know this song. I shot the photos in the last 6 or 8 weeks.

There was some stuff I wished to include differently, or present in more or a NYC way, that i held back on. In case it coulda led to issues.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 23:39:01 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

see this GB as an experience, GB t-shirt & connect


Entered at Fri Jul 31 23:09:38 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Interview Dave Grohl (link).


Entered at Fri Jul 31 21:18:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Band Tribute: Clapton, Garth & 1000 guitar players

1000 Italians play Learn to Fly on the green to honor the Foo Fighters (link).

Could we top this? …. 1000 guitar players performing The Weight with Eric Clapton and Garth doing his sax solo as opening act for the next Crossroads Festival? (revenues go to The Garth Foundation).

Learning from the Italians you need a press officer, engineers, technicians, raisers, graphics [?,N] webmasters a 1000 musicians and of course Erik Clapton with Garth besides $40.000,-

This GB would be restless for month, could be a youtube hit…..

Does Garth still have that little soprano sax?


Entered at Fri Jul 31 18:54:37 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: 1965 Dylan concert

Unfortunately I wasn't there, beg. I'm not sure I was even really aware yet of Bob Dylan that spring. Wasn't it that summer the Byrd's "Turn, Turn, Turn" came out? I seem to remember that song around then, but by the fall the music picture had changed for me.

So, sorry - wish I could!


Entered at Fri Jul 31 17:55:07 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian W

It's interesting seeing your set list. In Toronto; on the first night, I'm, sure he closed the first set with Desolation Row.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 15:51:07 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan's penultimate solo acoustic concert

I attended this one:

9 May 1965, Royal Albert Hall, London England

1. The Times They Are A-Changin'

2. To Ramona

3. Gates Of Eden

4. If You Gotta Go, Go Now

5. It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)

6. Love Minus Zero/No Limit

7. Mr. Tambourine Man

8. Talking World War III Blues

9. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right

10.With God On Our Side

11.She Belongs To Me

12.It Ain't Me, Babe

13.The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll

14.All I Really Want To Do

15.It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

Interestingly, he included a few songs from BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME, which, as the LOUGHBOROUGH MONITOR put it, "hit the stores last Friday", which was 7 May 1965. To all intents and purposes, this was after the tour as far as the audience members were concerned. These songs were entirely new.

I was a student at the time and, with help from the Students Union and a guy with a few more readies than I had (I think his name was Richard Bunce, who came from a place called Ponders End in North London), I managed to get 80 tickets in all. They were the cheaper ones, in the choir seats at the Albert Hall, and I sold them on at face value. Thus, I was there with a group of people, mostly fellow students. In the interval, one of them (Peter Heaviside, from the Newcastle area) said how much he'd enjoyed the "Tambourine" song, new to all of us and played as the last song in the first half.

Later that week, another student (Pat Lennon, who had not attended) told me that a friend of his had been to the show the next night, had made a tape recording and would I like a copy? Sadly, I turned the offer down. I contacted Pat many years later and he had no recollection of it at all.

By way of comparison, the total cost for 80 tickets was £30 (about US$45 these days), whereas a single ticket for a Dylan show at the Albert Hall later this year (and I hope to get to three of the five shows)is something like three times the cost of 80 then. I shall be in better seats, though.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 15:23:40 CEST 2015 from (71.58.236.105)

Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Jeff - It's the location, not the town. I'm just outside of Wilkes-Barre.

I frequent a couple of record shows during the year and a regular seller to me turned me on to Mink DeVille. Great stuff. Also, BEG mentioned Garland Jeffreys awhle back and I kinda filed that name away in the back of my head. Then I heard his "Lon Chaney" on XM radio and got hooked. Since then, I pay close addition to BEG's posts on artists that I'm not familiar with.

Never too old to get turned on to new (even if it's old!) music.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 14:27:50 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG-Six Stringers

Would have guessed Lincoln played a fender.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 13:21:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Lisa! So you were at this Dylan concert in 1965?! Please share more. :-D

Queen Elizabeth Theatre

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

9 April 1965

1. The Times They Are A-Changin'
2. To Ramona
3. Gates Of Eden
4. If You Gotta Go, Go Now
5. It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
6. Love Minus Zero/No Limit
7. Mr. Tambourine Man
8. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
9. With God On Our Side
10. Talking World War III Blues
11. She Belongs To Me
12. It Ain't Me, Babe
13. The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll
14. All I Really Want To Do
15. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

Bob Dylan (solo, vocal, harmonica & acoustic guitar)..

Notes.
This setlist is taken from memory.
Lyric variation in Talking World War III Blues:
"The Shangri-Las, singing 'Leader of the Pack'."
instead of "rock-a-day Johnny singing 'tell your ma,
tell you pa, our love's gonna grow, ooh wah ooh wah'."
Thanks to ch'an bodhi cede!

Session info updated 20 October 2011.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 13:08:45 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SIX-STRING SURVIVORS.....including Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 12:57:50 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

My favourite song from Levon's American Son.

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 31 12:22:21 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach

No takers for Pattie B's trolling effort?

Someone please post something negative about Robbie Robertson so Pattie can justify his/her personal pity party.

Oh, how could they? It is all so upsetting. It gives the old girl the vapors.


Entered at Fri Jul 31 00:09:34 CEST 2015 from (67.4.213.197)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Ian W

Google mail

rhythm [no space] jimmy


Entered at Thu Jul 30 23:07:10 CEST 2015 from (188.149.199.109)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Cate Bros

Ron EoFF, Peter. Typo, I know. A briliant bass player, he is. Lee G. and yours truly saw the Cates with Levon during our Southern pilgrimage 10+ years ago, in AR. Wonderful band, very nice people, Eoff made an effort to make sure we enjoyed the experience.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 22:00:38 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Norm, that Beany …. wonderful!.

That’s the folks you want to know, drink with and talk about. They write songs about such characters.

Think I’ve seen him and his banjo ones myself, many years ago ….. he hovered out of a Rainer Werner Fassbinder movie, crossed the road and disappeared in a Coen brothers noir.

Thanks.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 21:08:40 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Road Kill Cafe! salsbury steak of shunk!

I told y'all this story long ago. When I commercial fished for 30 years. One of the gang of fishermen was a tiny little Japanese guy named "Beany". He had a beautiful big gillnetter named "Come Ocean"......."commotion?"

Beany made the most beautiful wooden steering wheels (for boats). He also played the banjo, and he had a very pronounced lisp. Now image, a bunch of drunk fishermen sitting around on the net float in the moonlight, our boats tied all around us every one playing guitars, maybe fiddle and accordion.........and.......one very drunk little Japanese guy singing at the top of his lungs (with a lisp) "Dead thshunk in the middle of the road."

Beany very often drank way too much Crown Royal. Many years ago him and a friend were up some river in a canoe fishing and Beany had way more than he should have of that stuff and fell out of the canoe and drown....I'll never forget the sight of him singing that song tho'....


Entered at Thu Jul 30 20:20:37 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Joan, poor you! There are tons of skunks in Vancouver, and in the evening you can smell skunk odor quite often, and it lasts for miles.

Our next door neighbor used to have skunks living under her garage, so in self-defense I learned a bit about them.

As a rule they are not aggressive and will not attack unless they feel threatened, as it can take days to replenish their spray supply. They are solitary animals, and can have as many as five separate dens within their territory. Most other animals leave them strictly alone, but dogs are the exception. Unfortunately tomato juice will not remove the oil in the spray from a dog's coat, so this formula is recommended instead:

1 quart of 3% hydrogen peroxide, 1/4 cup baking soda, and 1 - 2 teaspoons liquid soap.

This is best applied outside if possible, to avoid contamination, and avoid the dog's eyes, as the mixture can be damaging. Apply the solution, work well into the dog's coat, leave on no longer than five minutes, and rinse, rinse, rinse. It's very important that none of the mixture is left on the dog, as it can be very irritating to the skin.

Skunks are nocturnal, so it's unlikely you'll encounter one during the day, but if you're walking your dog at night and see a skunk (hopefully before the dog does) give it a wide berth, and lots of respect!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 18:36:31 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Skunks

I used to go to summer camp in upstate New York. Our bunks were about 6 inches off the ground one night a mama cat and her kittens were under the bunk. A skunk came by and they got into yowling fight. As expected the skunk lets go we have to sleep in the bunk over that spell for two weeks. There are also multiple stories of dogs that got into a fight with a skunk. Tomato juice is the best thing to get the smell off.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 18:28:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Tonight Let's All Make Love in London

Thanks, Pat B, for posting the "Tonight Let's All Make Love In London" link. I should have thought of "You Tube". It's the first time I've seen it since way back then. In retrospect, it's a bit pretentious and, as so often with these things, mostly shows the glitterati. It wasn't what was happening to most young people in London at that time, let alone in the rest if the country. I seem torecall that director Peter Whitehead (and Lorimer Filsms) also made "Wholly Communion", the film of the big poetry event at the Royal Albert Hall in June 1965 - not something I attended.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 15:28:56 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.....and another musician who performed with the GB's Pat Brennan!!

I saw him at Massey Hall with other musicians.....Concert Against Landmines.....Ron Sexsmith was also in the audience.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 15:15:50 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Fred! Going to visit with another Fred this weekend by the Grand River. My Grandfather's brother also had same name.

For those who don't live in countries with skunks.....check out song again....Gee....Even imagezulu remembers this song being played on the radio. lol....and.....The McCarrigle sisters are Canadian. One of the saddest songs ever......"Heart Like A Wheel"....also covered beautifully by Linda Ronstadt.

Hey Bones. I think Louden is from your state.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 14:57:38 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Skunk...it's dead and it's in the middle of the road...

We ran over a dead skunk in the middle of the road back in 1970. That song will always have a special place in my heart....and nostrils.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 14:54:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

So great to "see" you again Deb! Thanks for the info.

Song of the day!

I was walking to work along Queen Street East and all of a sudden......fowl and nasty odour seeped through my nostrils. I quickly checked the road and sure enough there it was......"Dead Skunk In The Middle of The Road".....well truthfully it was on the side of the street. Anyway, I would hear this song on the radio all the time.

Another time I was travelling with Mr. Maximus and family to New Brunswick, Ontario and we're driving through Kingston, and.....bang!!!!!! We get out of the car on a cold snowy night and there it was........this time one of Canada's beavers!!!!!!

Btw Loudon Wainwright 111 is an American singer-songwriter who was married at one time to Kate McCarrigle of the McCarrigle sisters and father to Rufus (saw him at Joni Mitchell's 70th Birthday celebration at Massey Hall) and Martha.....as well as Lucy Wainwright Roche.

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 13:35:30 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Floyd before Dark Side

Some of you may like this.


Entered at Thu Jul 30 12:24:59 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Making Money with Untreated Wood Shavings

Get your smokey taste from the perfect barbecue for a fraction of the price:

Instead of those expensive little Weber Hickory Cooking Chips bags, buy, for the same price, a huge bag Untreated Wood Chips or Wood Shavings bird cage substrate at your local pet store (about 10x cheaper and the same result).


Entered at Thu Jul 30 10:11:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

1983 shows featured The Cate Bros, so:

Ernie Cate - keyboards, vocals / Earl Cate - guitar, vocals / Ron Eott - bass, vocals / Terry Cagle - drums, vocals


Entered at Thu Jul 30 07:18:53 CEST 2015 from (24.114.93.78)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.....and great to see Deb back !

anyone looking for a dentist, skip the question about the hygienists - go straight to the bit about murdering lions.......


Entered at Thu Jul 30 05:37:44 CEST 2015 from (24.114.93.78)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson......

......notice that his Facebook page has gone unchanged for close to a month now.........The RR camp should really hire this GB's Adam to manage and moderate the place.

Who knew Pink Floyd had a career before Dark Side of The Moon......of course, I knew they did but it still seems like one of the strangest things in rock that there were multiple albums before DSOTM.

Todd: Good to see you back......I was worried you might have gotten mugged at that TLW screening you went to.

Go Justin Go !


Entered at Thu Jul 30 01:14:39 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lone Star

Campbell and Williams alone are worth the price of admission!


Entered at Thu Jul 30 00:21:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jon, that probably will turn out to be one helluva show. Countless great players could and anyone who can likely will appear for that one.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:26:05 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Jeff, this show should be right up your alley.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:20:29 CEST 2015 from (81.131.128.245)

Posted by:

Roaringblind

Location: Scotland

Subject: Then there were four

Must be more than 10 years since I was last here! Just been listening to 'Then there were four', the Chicago broadcast from 1983. They sounded really re-energised. Just wondering if anyone knew who was on lead guitar? No clues on the sleeve notes.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:12:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Cue someone making fun of "It's a goddam impossible way of life." Someone? Anyone?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 23:11:50 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Bed with tiny cell phone

Subject: Dart Travis

Peter, congrats! Rest later.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 22:24:35 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: home
Web: My link

Subject: the dark side of touring

Quotes from an interesting study by Help Musicians UK (The Guardian June 25 2015, link):

- 60% of musicians have suffered from depression or other psychological issues, with touring

- “Ninety-nine per cent of touring is the airports, the hotels, sitting in a metal tube for up to 16 hours at a time,”

- It’s easy to let your mind and body slip into decay, even for a person with a healthy emotional state.

- For those with anxiety, hotel rooms are like prison cells.”

- We’re the luckiest people in the world to be able to do this; but that doesn’t mean it’s not hard. It’s psychologically taxing,

- Being confined to the van for a 10-hour drive … You can’t sleep, you can’t move, you can’t do anything. It’s like a recipe for a breakdown for me.”

- For many, the contrast between the highs of a successful show and the anti-climactic low that often follows can be hard to adjust to, a phenomenon that has been termed “post-performance depression’, or PPD.

- “Musicianship remains one of the most exalted job roles and each live performance can provide a real high which can be hard to adjust to – especially when the elevated status that musicians receive is suddenly lost.”

- “I’d come home from tour, and I’m back to feeding the cat. My wife at the time – I don’t have a wife now – worked 12-hour shifts , so I was cooking the dinner all that sort of shit. There was a lot of tension, because I’m thinking to myself, ‘I don’t deserve this, I’m a big star’ and that was one of the contributing factors in ending my marriage. This fucking career, the striving towards something that never existed and doesn’t exist.”

- “We’ve had enough people die, quite frankly.”


Entered at Wed Jul 29 22:11:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

For those interested, the second ELT / ESL humorous novel under my pseudonym, Dart Travis, is now on line and available as a paperback. See link.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 21:47:31 CEST 2015 from (216.226.180.35)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Subject: The Waterboys

BEG, David Hood, bassist from the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section (aka the Swampers) is playing bass with The Waterboys these days. The link is to a blog he's writing about the tour for the local paper in the Shoals. I think this may be the first touring he's done since his time playing with Traffic in the 70's.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 21:24:09 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Well, I hope our Canadian friends can see this because Let's All Make Love in London is a premium 60's artifact.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 19:43:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great resource, Ian … I used to correspond with friends with short reviews of stuff I saw, and one was kind enough to give me my letters back. I've got much better at spelling in 45 years. Some bands like Family,Yes, Jethro Tull, The Nice, Roland Kirk and The Who I remember clearly, but others like The House of Lords, Audience, Third Ear Band, Memphis Index are mainly a blank. When I look at the list (and I first saw Jethro Tull, Yes and The Nice VERY early long before success) it would appear that the memorable ones became famous and the others didn't!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 18:44:34 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Didn't It Rain?

I urge everyone to check out Amy Helm's wonderful new album "Didn't It Rain." And speaking of rain -- it seems I missed mentioning the 42nd anniversary yesterday of the Watkins Glen Summer Jam.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 17:28:17 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Angie, I'm not giving up the right one. That's non negotiable.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 17:13:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Late August or early Sept 1975. I was 16, starting NYU, or about to. Went to a job interview for a part time job advertised in the Village Voice. Working in a variety type store. the ad had run often, just gave the type of job, address of the store, maybe the name, time to arrive. So i get there a bit early, the place hasn't yet opened, and three other guys walk up together. They were scraggly, hard worn, a couple to 7 or 8 years older than meWe stat talkingm they;re three of the guys in Mink Deville. Whom i knew of, originally cause of the Village Voice. Hadn't yet gone to see em.the store never did open, i tihnk we all split after fifteen minutes.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:47:43 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok....It was 1977 at Edgerton's I saw Mink DeVille two nights in a row!! I took a few photos which are in one of their Fanzines from Holland. He was wearing snake skin boots like Keith Richards. My rain boots are the same but a different colour.....too much info Pat B? lol I think the same year I saw Mink DeVille with Elvis Costellooooo and Nick Lowe at Massey Hall......another night to remember......and cherish!

My favourite......Spanish Stroll!!!!!.....again......I never get tired of it! Willy is healthier looking here although I do remember the nights I saw him he was into snow.....but hair and eyes are healthier here....Spanish-Americana it is!!
Stop it Jefffffffff!..... ;-D


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:33:35 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Willy DeVille, Mink DeVille, conjures up memories of the old Lone Star. And the regular artists whom also frequented the place.... The musical talent of the old days man.....I ain't there yet, but another couple of years, & I know I 'll be typing- I'd give my left nut to go back to the 70s or 80s, hell, maybe even the 90s. Yeah, definitely even the 90s, as long as it's the whole decade.. Okay, okay, I'd probably make the deal now. Turn back the turntable!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:21:01 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: BILLBOARD cover date - a quick question

The quick question concerns the cover date of BILLBOARD but, before that, here is the background. The above WIKI link is about the cover dates of magazines etc, as opposed to the actual dates they are available to the public.

In something I've been working on recently, I say that BILLBOARD was available one week ahead of its cover date, which I always thought to be true. However, an article I have been reading (not in BILLBOARD but citing something published in BILLBOARD) leads me to think that perhaps I was wrong. I am referring here to BILLBOARD cover dates in the 1960s

It's not a major problem to me because, if I am wrong, I believe that the assumption I draw in what I've written will be strengthened. Nevertheless, I am keen to get it straight in my mind. So here's the question (actually two qeustions):

Was the cover date on BILLBOARD the actual date it was on sale to the public?

If the answer is "No", how many days before the cover date was it available?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 16:16:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Before I discovered The Waterboys......Mink DeVille. In this clip Willy DeVille (William Borsay) is not with his original band I saw in the late seventies but......look who is here and playing incredible guitar.....Dylan stole him for awhile years later.......Freddy Koella!!!!!!!
Also to note, Toronto's Paul James was in Mink DeVille's band briefly.....He certainly had the look.....I spoke to Paul about it after the show at The Dominion.....Bonk and friends were present for the first set......Too bad you didn't stay longer as Paul performed an out of this world "Marianne"........To remember forever!!!

Anyway, I think those of us who really appreciate groups like The Waterboys and Mink DeVille.......cult following as many people here and everywhere wouldn't even know who I'm talking about. Interesting that my brother digs both of these bands. Willy (from Connecticut...I always thought he came from Puerto Rico or lower east side of NYC) has written a song with Doc Pomus and Mark Knopfler has produced one of his recordings so.......Some do know him. ;-D

DeVille (Willy DeVille....William Borsay) (August 25, 1950 – August 6, 2009) was an American singer and songwriter. During his thirty-five-year career, first with his band Mink DeVille (1974–1986) and later on his own, Deville created original songs rooted in traditional American musical styles. He worked with collaborators from across the spectrum of contemporary music, including Jack Nitzsche, Doc Pomus, Dr. John, Mark Knopfler, Allen Toussaint, and Eddie Bo. Latin rhythms, blues riffs, doo-wop, Cajun music, strains of French cabaret, and echoes of early-1960s uptown soul can be heard in DeVille's work. Mink DeVille was a house band at CBGB, the historic New York City nightclub where punk rock was born in the mid-1970s. DeVille helped redefine the Brill Building sound. In 1987 his song "Storybook Love" was nominated for an Academy Award. After his move to New Orleans in 1988, he helped spark the roots revival of classic New Orleans R&B. His soulful lyrics and explorations in Latin rhythms and sounds helped define a new musical style sometimes called "Spanish-Americana".[1] DeVille died of pancreatic cancer on August 6, 2009 in a New York hospital. He was 58 years old.[2][3][4] Although his commercial success waxed and waned over the years, his legacy as a songwriter has influenced many other musicians died of pancreatic cancer on August 6, 2009 in a New York hospital. He was 58 years old.[2][3][4] Although his commercial success waxed and waned over the years, his legacy as a songwriter has influenced many other musicians such as Mark Knopfler and Peter Wolf."

Thanks to all for letting me be myself....again.....I'll have more to say Band related when Robbie's memoir comes out.....saving my gift card for it. Btw Sebastian......Why is it that in LA Robbie leaves signed copies but us here in Toronto......real fans......We have to be present? Just curious.......


Entered at Wed Jul 29 13:20:44 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Pink Floyd etc

I'm really pleased I kept my pocket diaries from 1965 to 1969, as they have lots of very brief notes about people, places, pubs, plays, partners, poetry readings and parties, not to mention galleries, exhibitions,films, restaurants and myriad other snippets of my life back then. I've dug them out and had a quick flick through them this morning but, don't worry, I'm not going to bore you with the contents. In places, it's just a tad embarrassing anyway.

What I thought I would add is that, on 14 December 1967, I went to see a film called "Dutchman" (a film with real with some impact as I recall, a terrific performance from Shirley Knight) and this was still in the days when there were second features, as I think they were called then. The second feature was "Tonight Let's All Make Love In London", with Pink Floyd in it, I think. And Michael Caine? I didn't note the cinema but went for a drink at the Shakespeare's Head that evening and that was at one end of Carnaby Street, near Liberty's department store, so somewhere near Oxford Circus, I'd guess.

OK, I can't resist. Two nights earlier, a college folk concert (Wizz Jones, still performing today, Sprinsteen did one of his songs a few years back; Clive Palmer, who had left the Incredible String Band leaving the duo we know so well,; Ron Geesin, an off-the-wall performer much loved by DJ John Peel; Ralph McTell, who only recently adopted that name I think, as I had seen when he was still Ralph May; the Jug Trust, one of the few jug bands on the London scene then; and The Peelers, of whom I have no memeory at all). The night before, it was a theatre club in Swiss Cottage for "The Two Character Play" by Tennesse Williams. The night after the cinema, it was The Old Place in Soho to see the Stan Tracey Trio and a quintet that included Don Rendell and Ian Carr (when Ronnie Scott's jazz club moved to its current location, he kept the "old place" going for a while). And two nights later, it was to the Classic Cinema in Baker Street to see Fellini's "Juliet of the Spirits", after which an indian meal, then Finches Wine Bar in Marylebone, followed by two (not one) parties .


Entered at Wed Jul 29 09:34:52 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pink Floyd

Pink Floyd – similar to you, Ian, except I was never lucky enough to see them. I bought both the early hit singles, See Emily Play and Arnold Layne new, then managed to resist them. I bought Wish You Were Here, oddly, after going to an air display in the early 80s where Microlight planes “danced” in the air while Shine On You Crazy Diamond played loud. Superb. I bought a 45 of Another Brick in The Wall. Then I bought The Wall Live for The Band, and eventually succumbed to a deluxe Dark Side of The Moon when the anniversary deluxe set came out.

Oh, and Money was on Rolling Stone's 5.1 DVD Audio (or possible SACD) sampler disc, and was a fun 5.1 system demonstration … the cash registers rotate around the speakers.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 09:26:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Waterboys

Link to my review of The Waterboys in 2012 on the Appointment With Mr Yeats tour … a show marred by awful sound, though way better in the "Mr Yeats" songs. It's far and away my favorite album, though Modern Blues has strong moments. Basically, for me, they've got better over the years. Not many bands can say that.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 06:34:47 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi there Kevin from NE PA....really you or?

I would first say the best thing to do is check out the various recordings of The Waterboys online as I'd feel badly if you bought what I dig and then you were disappointed. I've made that mistake here. So I'll share the recordings I have and make one comment about each one.

Also I'm drawn to The Waterboys with and without Karl Wallinger and with and without Steve Wickham because we're around the same age so they were "happening" during my time of growing up and digging music. His lyrics were the soundtrack to my life. They were my contemporaries in many ways even though we come from different ethnic groups and genders.

If you want guitar you'll get some but that's not what Mike Scott is about as he's a singer-songwriter foremost who apparently studied literature and philosophy in University (dropped out first year). He can draw on things that enhances his writing. His voice......He's from Scotland but when he sings.....His voice sounds so familiar to me....sound wise and content wise....Now I did have a housemate in my grad years who was from Aberdeen but.....He has what I say a lot of my favourite musicians have and it's that "it" factor....for me. I was thinking today of how I came across this group and I can't remember if my older brother had "A Pagan Place" first or if I did. After the mid-eighties we really parted ways as to musical taste in general. Anyway, sure glad I found them!

1983 The Waterboys...Their first recording but it was the second one I bought. I posted one of their songs...."It Should Have Been You."

1984 A Pagan Place...not as accessible for the casual fan as "This Is The Sea". Link is to the very first song that just.....made me stop what I was doing......"The Thrill Is Gone (I thought it was going to be BB King's cover but no it wasn't) /The Healing Has Begun........He added Van's TTIG.

1985 This Is the Sea...A lot of people would probably start with this one or "Fisherman's Blues" if they enjoy celtic sounds as well.

1988 Fisherman's Blues or the Deluxe version which has cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country"....pricey so I just downloaded this one song.

1993 Dream Harder...most disappointing of all recordings as maybe I listen to a few songs.....sometimes but......no.....I wouldn't buy this one.

1995 Bring 'em All In...Solo Mike Scott...very disappointing as I was only drawn to one song. Just as I'm one of their biggest cheerleaders.....If I don't find the music resonates or I feel it's filler music.....I'm a very harsh critic.

1998 The Live Adventures of The Waterboys...I don't have this one but it has the song I posted via of my brother....."The Pan Within/Because The NIght".....I will look for this live recording now.

2011 An Appointment with Mr Yeats...I don't know the work of Yeats even though Louuu has quoted him....so the songs don't have meaning for me as they would for others....lost in translation. I never bought this recording but with more listens online....maybe....or I will just download the songs that have the power to engage.

2015 Modern Blues...never bought this one either as some songs are good enough but their earlier work is where it's at for me. However, I would not begrudge The Waterboys performing any of these songs live.....as I'm just drawn to Mike Scott and Steve Wickham. I guess it's like Dylan for me....I was a huuuuge fan until he recorded the album with "Mississippi".....which I liked but not the rest. imagezulu is particular as well....Mention Miles Davis to him and he'll say....only until mid-sixties.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 29 05:56:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: NE can be in the NW. And don't let no one tell you otherwise.

Kevin from PA. Are you in North East, Pennsylvania, which is located in Northwestern Pennsylvania? Or are you in the regional section of Northeastern Pennsylvania? Like where the Poconos are?


Entered at Wed Jul 29 04:40:57 CEST 2015 from (71.58.236.105)

Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Waterboys

Thanks JT for the recommendations!

My local record shop has a few of those titles in Vinyl (my preference) and CD. I think I'll check them out in your suggested order. Thanks again.

For those Wilco fans out there, their new LP is available for free download (for a limited time). Head over to: http://wilcoworld.net/splash-star-wars-links/ and enter an email address to get the download. I think it may be available for free downloads in itunes as well. Not sure how long though.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 02:45:54 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Thank you + early recollections of (the) Pink Floyd

I’ve been busy but I popped in to say thanks to everyone who responded to my earlier comments and questions. It is much appreciated.

I am no great fan of Pink Floyd but saw them a few times back in the day:-

3 December 1966: The Roundhouse, London (at “Psychadelphia versus Ian Smith”, a “happening”, as such events were called then). It should really be dated 4 December as it was past midnight. I once posted the wrong date for this on-line – goodness knows why, as I was then working from my old pocket diary, but this is the correct date (or dates).

8 April 1967: The Roundhouse, London (with “The Flies etc”); again, it really should be dated 9 April 1967. It was a good week, music-wise. I saw The 3 City 4 two nights later in Hampstead, John Renbourne with Jacqui (McShee – later of Pentangle) two nights after that, in Highgate, with Roy Harper singing form the floor as we used to say (that is, as an unadvertised guest), and, two days after that, at the Saturday-Sunday all-nighter at Les Cousins in Soho, The Young Tradition, Al Stewart, Roy Harper (again) and a few others

12 May 1967: Queen Elizabeth Hall, London (the “Games for May” concert). I think this was a quadraphonic concert. There was a light show, some other special effects and I recall that they showed the “Arnold Layne” promo film on a big screen. They also played “Games for May” (later called “See Emily Play”) and “Interstellar Overdrive”. On the way out, I picked up a bunch of handbills (now redundant, of course) and used some to decorate my crummy flat. Others I kept and, quite a few years back, sold them for a pretty sum.

3 May 1968: Westfield College, London (this was not a concert as such but a student dance and that’s what people did – they danced). The next evening, I went to see The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem at Kilburn State, just a mile or two away in another district of London - such were those eclectic times.

I have never seen Pink Floyd live since and have never bought one of their albums since, let alone a single. I suppose I should say that there was an exception; in the early 1970s, I did buy the “RELICS PINK FLOYD – A BIZARRE COLLECTION OF ANTIQUES AND CURIOS” album on the Starline label but that had early (dare I say, pre-fame) stuff on it.\ Sorry if this disturbs anybody.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:45:45 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Finally!!!

Sure is good to see the recollections and expertise of David Powell here again. Thank you David.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:20:54 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks for that Rolling Stone interview, beg. That was quite the read. Slippery guy, that Bob ...


Entered at Wed Jul 29 01:10:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Waterboys and Mike Scott

My recommendation regarding The Waterboys is to listen to 1) Fisherman's Blues

2) This Is The Sea

3) Modern Blues (current)

4) An Appointment with Mr. Yeats (if you still have a yen for more)

You will see a transformation in Mike Scott not unlike the kinds of changes we encountered through Dylan's career.

BEG may have different suggestions. She probably knows more than I do, having followed The Waterboys for much longer than I

I am partial to Modern Blues since that is where I came in, but I appreciate the previous work listed above greatly.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 00:47:03 CEST 2015 from (71.58.236.105)

Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Waterboys

BEG,

All this talk about The Waterboys has me interested. They are not on my radar at all. What LP(s) do you recommend to get started?

Thanks...


Entered at Wed Jul 29 00:44:48 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BOB

Recorded at Columbia Studios New York October 1965 to January 1966
and Nashville between February and March 1966


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:52:59 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Rolling Stone Interview: Bob Dylan
By Jann S. Wenner
RS47: November 29, 1969


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:52:40 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

However, I beleieve those two S&G songs featuring Joe South were recorded at Columbia Studios in Nashville on Dec. 14. Bob Johnston and Joe more than likely first crossed paths in Nashville, where Joe was doing some session work back then, and Johnston took note of his skills. Can't pin down any session work that Joe did in New york at the time, but he could have shown up there. In August 1965 Charlie McCoy just happened to be in New York on vacation visiting the World's Fair when Johnston asked him to come by a Dylan recording session. The result was Mr. Mccoy adding the Grady Martin "El Paso" style acoustic lead guitar to "Desolation Row."


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:39:49 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: Floyd

I always loved Pink Floyd. I saw them multiple times and I saw Roger solo multiple times. Roger is a very bitter person and a bit of a narsosist. David is much more pleasant. I like the live shows with Gilmore better than Waters. Gilmore brings the voice and guitar that you come to see and hear.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:51:22 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, I Am A Rock was recorded just two weeks after the Nov 30 Dylan session. It would be interesting to check Joe South's discography to see if he did anything else in NY during that period.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 19:27:06 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: New York Blonde On Blonde Sessions

Curiously, Michael Krogsgaard's Dylan Recording Sessions lists Joseph Souter (p/k/a Joe South) as playing guitar on the Nov. 30, 1965 session (from 2:30-7:30). During that time they were presumably working on various takes Of "Freeze Out" (Visions of Johanna). Mr. South would later play bass on the released version recorded in Nashville. So, that would indicate that Joe, Robbie and Al Kooper were the only musicians to play on both New York and Nashville sessions for "Blonde On Blonde"?

I'm guessing that Joe was brought into the New York session by producer Bob Johnston. Mr. Johnston around that time was also producing Simon and Garfunkel's "Sounds of Silence" album, which featured Joe playing electric guitar on "I Am Rock" and "Richard Cory."


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:06:41 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: SELF COOKIE = THE BAND

Jerry I didn’t know the Greens either.

If you search for a barbeque and afterwards read a newspaper on the WWW a good chance you’ll get one of those annoying banner ads bogging you with exactly the same BBQ and the vacuum cleaner you bought last week.

But there is help; type (whilst holding ctrl + alt + f4) SELF COOKIE = THE BAND. Now you still get a banner ad, but this time it’s the most viewed Band site pic. Mostly this is The Brown Album cover picture. Good luck!

Link: Curtis Harding


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:16:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Synchronicity never fails to puzzle me. I street-parked right outside a cinema this morning. There on the hoarding was a poster for "The Wall" - whether it's the Berlin one with The Band or a new "live to cinema" broadcast, I don't know. I didn't examine it.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 16:08:46 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and when I need a hit of quick energy......I listen to The Waterboys performing live "The Pan Within/Because The Night" (Patti Smith....Apparently "A Girl Called Johnny"was about her.). I guess all of you noticed that I'm in a Waterboys state of mind today. Btw, I have one of Mike Scott's solo recordings and was disappointed...Bring "Em All In....only really liked one song but will listen again to see if I've changed in anyway.

I first heard this live cut at my brother's place as I didn't have any live recordings. He's also a fan of Mink DeVille, Louuu like myself.....starting to warm up to reggae.....otherwise he's not a fan of The Band. I mention him a lot as he's the one who exposed me to a lot of music at home via 8-tracks.....Oh I hated them....songs would cut out and then continue onto the next track.....but I would wear out Louuu, Bowie, Rod the Mod, Woodstock, Freeeeee.

Hi Fred! Thanks for email. When are you coming home for a visit? :-D


Entered at Tue Jul 28 16:00:23 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Comfortably Numb

Another discography connection between Roger Waters and The Band is that Robbie Robertson, as music producer for the soundtrack to Martin Scorsese's 2006 film "The Departed," included the version of "Comfortably Numb" featuring Levon and Rick harmonizing with Van Morrison from Roger Waters' "The Wall: Live in Berlin." The song was used in a key scene with Billy (Leonardo DiCaprio) and Madolyn (Vera Farminga).


Entered at Tue Jul 28 15:32:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Air' guitar

9/12 for me, Fred. Too many clues in the data given. If I had to do this on the guitar alone with no accompanying clues, I would have done considerably worse.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 15:16:20 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Fred-Guitar Quiz

Got 8 of 12.Had difficulty with all these genres i had no clue about.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:47:24 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Songs for the day!

Live from the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury on June 27th 2015.

"For true believers, Mike Scott will always be the man who invented and defined 1980s stadium rock, and then bailed out just as U2 and Simple Minds were hitting their stride. His strident, anthemic and visionary songs - you will almost certainly know the hit The Whole of the Moon - sit squarely on the line between Bob Dylan and Pete Doherty for poetic aspiration. And the 1984 Waterboys single The Big Music named that generation of post-punk musicians’ sense of sonic ambition.

He then left it all behind, and immersed himself in Irish folk music, releasing the rollicking Fisherman’s Blues and Room to Roam albums to huge acclaim. Since then he has recorded and toured often, under his own name and the band’s. He also set 20 of WB Yeats’s poems to music for a theatrical presentation called An Appointment With Mr. Yeats, so expect a broad range of very different musical ideas at what has to be their seventh Glastonbury, unless you count the three performances in 2007 separately, in which case it’s their ninth appearance at Worthy Farm."

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:33:30 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

This Is The Sea + Spirit The Waterboys
Live at Liquid Club in Tel-Aviv (Israel)
1986.

There is also another video of The Waterboys performing Fisherman's Blues....dedicated to Bob Geldolf.

I searched via of Youtube and discovered that I saw the Waterboys in 1985 at the Diamond Club, which is now called the Phoneix Club. The previous year in 1984 they performed at the El Mocambo.

Spirit Lyrics...Short Version
This Is the Sea
"Spirit" is track #3 on the album This Is the Sea. It was written by Taylor, Lewis.

(Wo)Man gets tired
Spirit don't
(Wo)Man surrenders
Spirit won't

(Wo)Man crawls
Spirit flies
Spirit lives
When (wo)man dies

(Wo)Man seems
Spirit is
(Wo)Man dreams
The spirit lives

(Wo)Man is tethered
Spirit free
What spirit
Is (wo)man can be

What spirit
Is (wo)man can be
What spirit
Is (wo)man can be

What spirit
Is the (wo)man can be

(Wo)Man seems
Spirit is
Man dreams
Spirit lives
(Wo)Man is tied, bound, torn
Spirit is free
What Spirit is (wo)man can be!


Entered at Tue Jul 28 14:14:15 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Waters:An Anti Semite In Words & Actions

Like Ben,I have no difficulty criticizing the actions of the Israeli government when applicable.Particularly the horrid Netanyahu leadership.Waters has spoken words and taken actions of an anti semite.Whether he thinks he's an anti semite or not,who knows and who cares.Critique of Israel in itself is not anti semitic IMO.Waters is not a critic.He's a virulent hater-never a good role model for achieving peace.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 13:08:39 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: And now for something more serious...

Take the quiz.....I dares yas. : )


Entered at Tue Jul 28 12:44:23 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Peter, a large percentage of Jews (including myself) are quite critical of the Israeli government. I don't consider myself a self hating jew.

Roger Waters has done much more than make a fair critique of Israel. He has compared Israel to Nazi's. He has railed against the all powerful jewish lobby, that keeps people from speaking out against Israel. He uses images of jewish stars on flying pigs in performances of 'The wall'. Those are a few examples off the top of my head.

In addition, he tries to bully every artist who is scheduled to play in Israel to cancel. Whether his intentions at the onset were purely pro-Palestinian. His statements and actions over the years have crossed over to ant-semitism in the view of myself and many others including the adl.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 11:06:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Anti-semitism is a heavy charge, and not a stone to cast lightly. Where it fits, shout it to the skies … but I am concerned when the charge is laid against someone who merely criticizes the recent political policy of the state of Israel. As JQ says, you then include 45% of the Israeli population and also many Jews in Britain.

British theatre has a tendency to compete with Shakespeare productions. This year, three major theatres have done The Merchant of Venice. The Royal Shakespeare Company paired it with Marlowe’s The Jew of Malta. I’ve seen them all. In all four, the programmes discuss anti-semitism at length, as we did going home … one we saw with Jewish friends. The Merchant of Venice is “a play ABOUT anti-semitism”. It was not in any of these productions “anti-semitic.” The theatre programmes discussed the recent rise of anti-semitism, especially in France and Germany. Some of this is 1930s Nazism rearing its foul and ugly head, but much more is from Moslems in France, and while equally worrying, it is different in origin.

Today I’ve been trying to book a play at the Almeida Theatre in London (without success ) and it’s The Bakkhai (or as I would write Bacchae). On the theatre website, someone is complaining that they will not go because the play’s director (who I’ve never heard of) has signed a petition for a cultural boycott against the State of Israel. This is the issue with performers. A group of them (including Waters) compare Israel’s attitude to Palestinians to Apartheid and seek a (peaceful) cultural boycott. They claim this is a lot less harmful than the restriction of essential supplies to Gaza. Was the cultural boycott of South Africa part of the solution? It’s hard to tell, though it caused some absurdities such as Paul Simon being castigated for touring with South African black musicians. Such things will cause absurdities.

I’m certainly not going to pontificate on Israel’s policy … if someone starts lobbing missiles over the border at you, retaliation does seem an inevitable response to me. But those who protest about the policies should not be bludgeoned with either knee-jerk “anti-semitic” or “anti-Israel” accusations if that is all they are complaining about. Many people are concerned that the current policies are perpetuating the issues, and that while things are resolved temporarily by force, the underlying issues remain, and are ones which our grandchildren will have to deal with. Of course appointing the warmonger Blair as “Middle East Peace Envoy” meant several years of zero progress.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 10:45:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Equality??

Equality........I spoke the word as if a wedding vow........

Aw but I was so much older then........


Entered at Tue Jul 28 08:42:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: My Back Pages

I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

I'm an old man now, but I'm sure what the prophet meant was when we were young men, and thought we knew it all we thought we were old.

I was young and the whole world was my door step and we laughed at these things, thinking they were foolish. We are all just people no matter what religion or colour. Being ny-eve (how you like that spelling) we didn't sometimes see the seriousness.

Now, although it all seems so futile these things need to be discussed. Jesus Christ was a Jew. My question is how can so many religions use him to hate each other. It's hard to understand. So I rely on songs like this. Watch it and listen again. I'm sure all these fellows have a great understanding of the words they sing.

I also rely on people like Ray Stevens who sings "Everything is beautiful". It would be nice in our life time to see more of the world come together and understand one another.........but it doesn't ever seem hopeful. Still that is not a reason to ever quit trying.

The proverb still seems backwards, "Do unto others before they do unto you".............good night.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:39:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Todd. I think there is a big difference between being abhorred and disgusted by an artist using his celebrity to influence anti semitic & anti Israel decisions made by the masses and political/ business decisions made by other artists and as you have pointed out "relying on him (or any entertainer for that matter) for political, moral, or spiritual guidance." Waters has put himself in the spotlight on some heavy terms. The least of it is his publicly calling out artists like the Rolling Stones to not perform in Israel. A lot of the rest of it follows with that. Hoping other artists put him into isolation is small consolation & a fair expectation. Talking about his remarks is more than reasonable.. If my favorite artists came out with the positions that Waters has i would give up their music in a heartbeat. And i don't care who that is. Friends who might take the same positions that Waters has would no longer be my friends. I can be friends with Republicans, i can't be friends with Anti Semites. I also can't be friends with people who are racially prejudiced against any people.



Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:11:01 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Primer

A shout out to Chicago blues artist, John Primer. Saw him a few years ago at Buddy Guy's club. Highly regarded and recommended. Chicago is a GREAT city with great everything.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:06:31 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Don't rely...

Todd: That's kind of what I tried to say, and you said it so much better. Thank you.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:03:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, Chicago has a very vibrant scene, and there's a lot of cross-pollination. I think the fact that Bloodshot Records is here has triggered the local Americana scene, along with people like Jon Langford and Robbie Fulks acting as catalysts for all kinds of mayhem. I've been lucky enough to play with all kinds of artists: Mavis, Otis Clay, Johnny Frigo, Jeff Tweedy, Kelly Hogan, Sally Timms, Cowboy Jack Clement, Rosie Flores, Dave Alvin, Kevin Coyne. I'm a very fortunate guy.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 06:01:51 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Neko Case - Live on Austin City Limits

JT - This is a really good one to see - with Kelly Hogan singing backup and Jon Rahaus on the steel. I believe it's available on YouTube in clips or from ACL's site -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:58:39 CEST 2015 from (32.216.244.98)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Roger Waters

Roger Waters is a musician and entertainer. He's made some interesting music as well as some boring music. That's his job. I would caution against relying on him (or any entertainer for that matter) for political, moral, or spiritual guidance.

It would make more sense to focus on our elected officials who are actually tasked with setting and enforcing policy. That's where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. There are plenty of folks currently holding public office who should be held to a higher level of public scrutiny than is currently happening. Unfortunately politics doesn't always attract the best, brightest or best intentioned.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:54:21 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Neko Case

Neko Case: Member of The New Pornographers of Vancouver and contributor to songs on virtually all their albums. She is a vibrant singer with a great voice and presentation in concert. Her solo albums are great also.She got involved in the 90s as she lived in Vancouver attended school. She remains involved with the band as one of her projects. Their albums are excellent and if you can, you should see them in concert.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 05:13:53 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Chicago Americana

Hi Pat B - I'm wondering about that scene in Chicago and whether it's an organized thing or merely coincidental that there's a number a fairly renowned artists in that genre there.

I'm thinking of Kelley Hogan, Neko Case (gone from there now, I think), The Handsome Family, Wilco and others that are based there, appear on each other's records, etc -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:20:46 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

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Pat B

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Here's a link to Amy's Facebook which has a number of photos of her with Roger Waters. My Morning Jacket was on the set too.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:10:31 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

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Levon Helm Gave Roger Waters a Razorback Cap

FEATURED, J

UST FOR FUN
FEBRUARY 23, 2014
BY PATRICK HOUSTON 29 COMMENTS

"In the video, Waters tells the story of how Helm gave him his “fishing hat” and proclaims “This will be with me until the day that I die because it means a lot to me.” "Levon Helm gave Waters the hat after a concert in the former no-man’s-land area of Berlin shortly after the Wall came down in that city. The two shared the stage for that concert in 1990."

Any thoughts Joan? Wittgenstein?


Entered at Tue Jul 28 02:02:30 CEST 2015 from (166.137.242.87)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: PC and Criticism if Israel

American conservatives find the PC culture (so called) especially repellant. In that context is anything less PC than criticizing Israel? Historically conservatives, especially the religious crowd, have been the most anti-Semitic. Something around that seems to have changed, but only recently - listen to Billy Graham's take on "too many Jews" on the Nixon tapes. If your'e an American Jew don't trust that crowd and question their motives.

I don't believe that Israel is well-served by conflating any criticism to anti-Semitism. And I think the 45% of Israelis that consider Bibi to be a boob would agree -


Entered at Tue Jul 28 01:18:59 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: joe j

All cool.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 01:04:39 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat. The only communication I've ever had with Amy was the only time I met her. In the dressing room at The Salute The Blues show at Radio City in 2003.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 23:12:13 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: No more!

Jed, Ben, Jeff A, others. These things need to be said. Anti semitism is alive and needs to be eradicated, even when disguised within a political framework that espouses fairness. 1939 can be just around the corner. My family didn't die for nothing. Their ashes continuously remind me of who I am and what is needed. What I continue is remember that the performers are no different than others when it comes to ideas about church and state and the whole issue of how to right the wrongs of the world. Many are misguided in their sense of trying to make things fair and miss the bigger picture. I truly believe you have to live in a place to understand the issues. To criticize from afar or to make pronouncements in the name of fair play without understanding the issues that face people every day is fraught with danger and leads to misunderstanding. As someone said here; such ideas fuel the fires for others of something the world needs none of: anti semitism. That phenomenon needs to be firmly placed into the garbage bin and like flags on a flagpole in the south and the Nazis of the past, anti semitism needs to be taken down solidly. It certainly does not need performers to help it along, even in the name of what they perceive as fairness. If they care to help, let them go and live where the action is and make a difference there.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 23:02:11 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

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joe j

Subject: Waters

Jed, you're not wrong. It is so necessary to have these conversations and I was all to casual to dismiss it.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 22:22:37 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: WTF ROGER?

i discussed Roger because when his name comes up,as a Jew,i tend to want to roll it right back down.Lesson i learned too often is most things disappear on their own accord,as will Roger and all of us.But,y'know that little thing called the Holocaust turned me on to the idea that hatred disguised as politics,even for those ignorant to the impact of their own words,is still hatred.And that's a very very dangerous thing,morally,existentially, & physically.Sorry,nonetheless,to sully these pages with Roger's ideology.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 22:17:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Nothing yet on Nov. 15, 1965

Ian W, John D (and anyone else with an interest) I wrote to Peter Goddard (Toronto Star) and to Robert Fulford.(Star: now National Post) I received responses from both. Neither of them could enlighten me on the set list on Nov. 15, 1965. I also heard from someone who was at the concert. No further information from that person. So, I remain in the dark. No set list. I await responses from others to whom I have written. I am hoping Sebastian or Robbie will let me know. I have faith in the good nature of people and someone will know what needs to be known by some of us. The quest for this 'holy grail' continues...


Entered at Mon Jul 27 21:34:21 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks, Joe, that makes me feel a little better. I guess it's a guy thing ...


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:57:32 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

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Subject: What I'm listening to these days

Link is to Jon Batiste & Stay Human's 'St. James Infirmary'.

Thanks to recent links to Tom Northcott, Ian Tyson and The Waterboys. WTF we discussing Roger Waters?


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:47:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

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Pat B

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Jeff, have you contacted Amy and let her know your displeasure?

Meanwhile, an important moment in Band history despite no one from the OQ being present.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 20:43:39 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

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joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Leblanc

Lisa, Ronnie would have guffawed and come back with a better retort. These guys are friends. Maybe a guy thing. Some of us never grow up. I do intend to. In due time. Manana. The once.

Link is to Fairgale, a group I've booked for next month. A version of Springsteen's "I'm On Fire" recorded in a WW2 gun battery.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 19:21:32 CEST 2015 from (24.114.92.13)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Cons

Kurt Loder's review of Roger Waters Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking:

"Roger Waters’ first official solo album will be of sustained interest mainly to postanalytic Pink Floyd fetishists and other highly evolved neurotics who persist in seeking spiritual significance amid the flotsam of English art rock. I can’t imagine that anyone else will sit more than once through this strangely static, faintly hideous record, on which Waters’ customary bile is, for the first time, diluted with musical bilge.”

I did think "Amused to Death" was a great album, though and I still listen to it. Roger Waters spends a lot if time these days at cocktail parties in The Hamptons......The housewives all giggle and remind each other that he used to be in a famous band......and then one pipes up that Paul McCartney is coming to her party tonight and everyone forgets about Roger.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 19:03:39 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

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Lisa

Maybe my sense of humor is temporarily on holiday, but I found Larry Leblanc's retort to Ronnie Hawkins absolutely appalling. Goodness knows Ronnie can be crude, but he's never malicious. What a thing to say!


Entered at Mon Jul 27 18:02:12 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Thanks for clarifying. Too bad, not that I saw them either. Do you have Tom Northcott's "Upside Downside" LP with King and Patterson? The original Sheppard / Good Shepherds split up in Vancouver; Sheppard and his brother-in-law the drummer returned to Toronto and the remaining three (organ, guitar, bass) stayed in Vancouver, added local super-drummer Duris Maxwell, and gigged as the Good Shepherds until they did a mass merge with another group to become Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers - who went on to record an album for Motown and to discover the Jackson Five. They also toured Europe as the backing group for the Motown Revue - and had Jimi Hendrix hop on stage to jam (on bass) for one show. (He knew Bobby Taylor from the Sea-Tak R&B scene.)


Entered at Mon Jul 27 17:16:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds

Bill M: I unfortunately never heard/saw Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds, though I knew of them. The only bands I heard/saw were LATH and Jon and Lee and the Checkmates.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 17:05:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

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Jeff A.

Well Ben, that makes two things we agree on. It scares me that people fall for Rogers bullshit that he's not anti semitic.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 16:33:02 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Waters-musically speaking

I liked Floyd in limited doses-more a teenage thing IMO.I attended a show during the Pros and Cons of Hitchiking tour.We left early.Clapton was the guitarist.Every time Waters turned to EC to play a lead EC turned away,and for most of the show EC ignored Waters,turned his back on him and watched the videos on the screen.Waters was awful,egotistical and from our view EC seemed disgusted by him.We left.It was years later that he took his anti Israel stance.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 16:24:03 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ben-Roger Waters

Agree with Ben.Waters has been spewing his one sided ignorance for years now.Israel is not perfect and IMO,Netanyahu's terrible approach to diplomacy,his duplicity,and arrogance makes things worse.But characters like Waters aren't swayed by Bibi-he has formed a position and whether he intends to or not he has crossed lines.Like Ben,I believe his words and actions have encouraged anti semitism and anti Semitic acts.When I saw him at Love for Levon I was disgusted.But,the money gained with Waters's name may have been worth it to some,more so than his despicable personal views.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 14:29:32 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto
Web: My link

What should turn up in today's paper but a early '70s photo of singer Tom Northcott (see posts last week, and not just mine) with veteran music writer Larry Leblanc, an occasional poster here, though not for years. Note the mention of Ronnie Hawkins too. Anyway, it'd be nice if the Canadian Music Hall of Fame, the putative subject of the article, has a whole room dedicated to the ones we love, i.e., the Band.

For the non-Canadians here, Larry's "Fuddle Duddle" teeshirt shows Canada's Prime Minister of the time, Pierre Trudeau, who'd recently caused a furor in the House of Commons by mouthing the words "fuck off" to an opposition critic; when asked what he'd said, he said he'd said "fuddle duddle". A couple of quick-witted producers dashed records out the door. The truly great Doug Riley pulled together "Funky Fuddle Duddle", as by the House of Commons, and managed a lot of airplay and decent sales, as did somebody else with "Do The Fuddle Duddle". John D will surely remember them, if not with fondness.

I'm sure that Leblanc and Northcott would have discussed organist Robbie King and guitartist Ed Patterson, who Leblanc had shared an apartment with when they were the dynamic duo of Franklyn Sheppard and the Good Shepherds (who JT must have seen at the Concord), and who then moved to Vancouver and contributed mightily to many records, notably, in my mind, Northcott's awesome "Iron Pines".


Entered at Mon Jul 27 14:09:27 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Otis Redding Live at Monterey Pop 1967...Canada's 100th birthday, year I saw The Jungle Book, interracial marriages legal in USA and at this Concert I think it was one of the first or very first times that audiences were of both races. Hmmm...Bob Marley would sing about the Rat Race which is about the Human Race, not about a race of people....but racism does exist so......Be the change!

If I still have my VHS; is it worth it to transfer to DVD or buy Blueray instead?

Roger Waters was in the audience at the last Eric Clapton Guitar Festival in NYC. Did I tell all of you that I was there for both nights? ;-D

Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!

Happy Healthy Monday!


Entered at Mon Jul 27 13:55:40 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Roger Waters

There have been plenty of articles posted online regarding Roger Waters views on Israel and the BDS movement for people to investigate and draw their own conclusions.

In my view, he has crossed the line from being pro-Palestinian to being anti-semitic whether he realizes it or not. The fact that he has some Jewish daughters in law and grandchildren is no excuse for this.

The fact is that there is rise of global antisemitism and attacks against Jews, much if it is in Europe, and much of it is in the guise of Anti-Israel rhetoric. His comments feed right into this and fuel it.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 13:52:48 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan & The Hawks - 1966 - Genuine Live (SBD/FLAC)


Entered at Mon Jul 27 13:49:37 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Simon!

Re: Dylan and The Hawks
This page is part of Lonesome Sparrow's Web Site.
Contents of this page taken from Usenet.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 12:53:30 CEST 2015 from (86.148.230.150)

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Simon

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Subject: Rick Wright's favourite albums

A certain album being top of the list ... although he does say "Porgy and Bess" by Miles Davis would probably be the one if he had to choose.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 12:46:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

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Subject: Jurassic World

For those kind enough to read my film reviews, Jurassic World is linked. Do comment over there. I know you all saw it weeks ago, but I've been busy.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 12:18:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Agree. It's the sort of area best not discussed in detail in the interests of harmony. But read the letter. Decide for yourselves.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 09:20:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

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Jeff A.

Pete, i ain't goin into it in detail further here, but in my opinion, his letter and he are full of shit. And i doubt Levon would have performed with him after his anti Israel rants. I could be wrong, but doubt it.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 09:05:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Roger Waters

In fairness, Jeff, do read the "Open Letter from Roger Waters" which is linked. I have heard him defending himself on radio. The issue is separating anti-semitism … and the Anti-Defamation League has said he is not anti-semitic … from opposition to Israeli government policies. If the latter is anti-Semitic, then a lot of Israelis would have to suffer the same accusation, which would be absurd. I am not commenting on those policies, just pointing out that they are a separate issue. He also points out that his grandchildren are Jewish.

I listened to Desert Island Discs on Friday where Noel Gallagher played "Nobody Home" and said "I love you Roger Waters. If I get near you, I'll lick your face." While this is excessive fandom to me, "The Wall" does mean a lot to a lot of people.

Incidentally, a preview of Desert Island Discs suggested that Noel Gallagher should choose The Beatles "Rain" eight times as his selection, as he's spent his career re-writing it. In the end, he confounded that by choosing "Ticket to Ride".


Entered at Mon Jul 27 09:01:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: the devil also says

Correction- the Ro Fino Soundcloud Link I posted before- The Devil Says is the only track on there that is on the new EP....And it is great- the rest f the songs are from the first CD.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 08:28:27 CEST 2015 from (92.81.215.16)

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how to make your skin whiter

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Many thanks! This is definitely an fantastic web site!


Entered at Mon Jul 27 08:24:14 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The Devil Says - LISTEN TO THIS

Ro Fino's New EP will be available for you to purchase soon.

Meanwhile, you can listen to it on SoundCloud at the link above.

This will give you an idea of why I've been raving about her, her new material, and her band.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 07:42:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Amy Helm has a new record out. She also performed with Roger Waters at the Newport folk Festival the other day. Considering how Waters is blatanty anti semitic and completely anti Israel, i'm surprised she would. If Levon was alive i doubt that he would perform with Waters again.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 02:09:44 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

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Jeff A.

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Subject: More Dylan related info. This time The Duke & the Americanarama tour

Duke Robillard posted this on his FB page. Introducing it as something he wrote about Mr Dylan, after working with him for a few days on the Americanarama tour.

I got nothing to say about the song or anything related. Just figured it'll get posted sooner or later, might as well be now.


Entered at Mon Jul 27 01:35:33 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I figured it out!

I had some time this afternoon to get out of work! so I did some research. Robert Plant's band "Strange Sensation".

Really interesting guys Billy Fuller the bass player, did some playing on the sound track for "Clash of the Titans". Skin Tyson guitar player, and Justin Adams plays the mandolin on this song. All have interesting careers. Y-know what........fugetaboutit!


Entered at Sun Jul 26 23:56:51 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, I believe Allison from Birds of Chicago is from Montreal.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 22:49:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Greenbriar Boys

Thanks for the post about Greenbriar Boys, Norbert. Though I was aware of them, I never listened and will now. Some excellent players and with a wide a varied set of careers after 1970 when the band disbanded, like many, they should not be forgotten by those who want to understand the foundations.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 22:29:15 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

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Subject: The Greenbriar Boys (by Robert Shelton)

"A bright new face in folk music is appearing at Gerde's Folk City. Although only 20 years old, Bob Dylan is one of the most distinctive stylists to play in a Manhattan cabaret in months. Resembling a cross between a choir boy and a beatnik, Mr. Dylan has a cherubic look and a mop of tousled hair he partly covers up with a Huck Finn black corduroy cap. His clothes may need a bit of tailoring, but when he works his guitar, harmonica or piano and composes new songs faster than he can remember them, there is no doubt that he is bursting at the seams with talent. Mr. Dylan's voice is anything but pretty. He is consciously trying to recapture the rude beauty of a Southern field hand musing in melody on his back porch. All the "husk and bark" are left on his notes, and a searing intensity pervades his songs. Mr. Dylan is both comedian and tragedian. Like a vaudeville actor on the rural circuit, he offers a variety of droll musical monologues. "Talking Bear Mountain" lampoons the overcrowding of an excursion boat. "Talking New York" satirizes his troubles in gaining recognition and "Talkin' Hava Negilah" burlesques the folk-music craze and the singer himself. Slow-motion Mood In his serious vein, Mr. Dylan seems to be performing in a slow-motion film. Elasticized phrases are drawn out until you think they may snap. He rocks his head and body. He closes his eyes in reverie, seems to be groping for a word or a mood, then resolves the tension benevolently by finding the word and the mood. He may mumble the text of "House of the Rising Sun" in a scarcely understandable growl, or sob, or clearly enunciate the poetic poignancy of a Blind Lemon Jefferson blues, "One kind favor I ask of you -- See that my grave is kept clean." Mr. Dylan's highly personalized approach toward folk song is still evolving. He has been sopping up influences like a sponge. At times, the drama he aims at is off-target melodrama and his stylization threatens to topple over as a mannered excess. But if not for every taste, his music-making has the mark of originality and inspiration, all the more noteworthy for his youth. Mr. Dylan is vague about his antecedents and birthplace, but it matters less where he has been than where he is going, and that would seem to be straight up. The Greenbriar Boys If Mr. Dylan's pace is slow, the other half of the show at Folk City compensates for it. A whirlwind trio, the Greenbriar Boys, whips up some of the fastest, most tempestuous Bluegrass music this side of Nashville on eight cylinders and nineteen strings."


Entered at Sun Jul 26 22:22:39 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

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Sorry....wrong song but right blurb.

Rare Bob Dylan Song circa 1966 Blonde On Blonde period. If not still worth checking out.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 22:15:51 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

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brown eyed girl

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Rare Bob Dylan Song circa 1966 Blonde On Blonde period

"This song is posted elsewhere as Spuriously Seventeen Windows but it needed its lower frequencies cut out to get rid of the booming noise of the acoustic guitar. It says under that posting that it was recorded in a hotel room by the Dylan biographer Robert Shelton in 1966 and certainly does fit the sound of that period. The lingering fifth chord and references to a painting make it seem almost like a predecessor of Visions Of Johanna, one of Bob's most celebrated songs. He must have worked on it very hard, reworking it over and over. Even as a draft, this song exudes charm, as much as the more finished She's Your Lover Now does, the predecessor of One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later). It reveals once more Dylan's facility for taking the essence of folk songwriting, powerful words set to a twist on an old folk tune archetype, and successfully mixing it with the dense metaphoric poetry of the French Symbolist and Surrealist poets of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries respectively. The existential young man's angst doesn't destroy the classical time tested formula of the fundamental songwriting elements either. Genius or what? The answer my friend was blowing in the wind and still is, for others to grab hold of while they can..."

Pat B...Is this the song you posted? If so then this one is for JD and all the other Canadians who frequent here.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 21:55:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Talkin about Bass

A ways back, I put a link to Robert Plant singing "Girl from the North". I wish some one would have a look and tell me 3 things. Who are the guys playing, stand up bass, acoustic guitar, and mandolin......unreal.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 21:40:41 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Birds of Chicago

Pat Brennan, as I drove home from Port Hardy just now I listened to a Sunday show I sometimes do when I get the chance. On our CBC radio, Stuart McLean's, "Vinyl Café".

Stuart is a great story teller, if you are not familiar with him. Beginning his show today he explained his strong love for the town because of the most famous writers and story tellers who were raised in Chicago. Walt Disney, (whose father was from Canada). Ernest Hemmingway, with strong ties to Canada. The list is very long.

What I'm coming to is, his musical guests on tour with him are "Birds of Chicago". I expect you are familiar with them. I was very impressed not having heard them before. Their instrumentation and vocal harmonies are great.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 21:02:09 CEST 2015 from (70.193.163.166)

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David P

Subject: Two Basses

Beginning in the '60s Nashville sessions often featured two types of bass. A six-string "tick tack" electric bass along with either a stand-up acoustic or a standard electric bass.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:54:04 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, I enjoyed the Dean Martin/Ricky Nelson clip that you posted. I've heard Elvis's version of 'Cindy' before, but not Nelson's. Good stuff.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:28:49 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ian, that was David P who provided the Bill Lee material, and you're welcome.

John D, it's the version from the Bootleg Series 1-3. The timings should hold.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:19:18 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: BRICs

Just back from the annual Global BMWHC (Better Music Web Hosting Conference) in Barcelona. I blended in with The Beatles, Stones, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. always good to meet old friends again. This year’s thread was: BRICs.

BRICs [Brazil, Russia, India and China entrants] are getting massive access to the WWW and thus to sites like this very Band GB.

If you encounter a new GB BRIC here don’t panic, stay calm and don’t display your Band confidence too obvious (this could hurt the tempered BRIC).

A few tips from Barcelona:

- Listen and empathize (“I will personally find the answer to your question and post you back in the next 15 days.”)
- “Thank you for letting us know.”
- “I can mail that to Mr. Jan and Mr. Peter right away”

Spain's BMWHC also taught that it costs 5 times more effort to find a new Band fan then to keep the fan we already have. …..

Anyway, just always keep in mind that BRICs are people too, good luck!


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:16:49 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Bill Lee

I meant to add a thanks, Pat, for posting the quotation about Bill Lee sticking to a stand-up bass.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 20:12:45 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: She's Your Lover, Now

Thank you, Pat, for that explanation. I am not a musician at all and never have been but, in 1991, I did a small booklet on BOOTLEG SERIES Vols. 1-3 and, in one paragraph, I wrote the following about this recording:

"The liner notes suggest that the breakdown is because Dylan mixes up the words, but his exclamation "What?" indicates that the cause lay elsewhere. One of my collaborators says, 'Somebody or other stops playing in the middle of the fourth verse and the musicians ease off, putting Dylan off his words'. If so, it has to be the bass player."

Well, maybe I didn't pin it down quite right but pretty close - for me! Thanks again, Pat.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 19:58:52 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dylan

It's 437 miles from Chicago to Toronto. Pats Dylan video not available in Canada sadly.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 18:52:52 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

In She's Your Lover Now, Bob uses a technique similar to Sooner or Later where he stays on the IV chord for four beats longer than you would expect while he holds the melody note (at :43, 2:24, 4:06 of the linked video). The group pulls it off until the fourth verse where Rick messes up the change (5:50). That figure is followed by a descending chord sequence starting with the V chord, but the mistake has forced Bob to start singing the melody of the next part late--note Garth trying to cover the flub with a typically Garthian flurry. Bob comes in when the second chord sequence has already cycled through the first two chords which proves fatal.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 17:09:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On basses, I started watching “Dancing in the Blitz” last night, a programme on Big Bands, hosted by Jools Holland. He’d taken his big band to Blackpool to recreate “the sound of big bands. in 1940” The camera then went over the band recreating it … drums, OK, a modern kit, then electric bass guitar, then Hammond Organ, then electric guitar … I was reaching for the remote control to switch it off but Mrs V (who can’t stand Jools Holland) got there before me.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 16:54:24 CEST 2015 from (70.193.163.166)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Bill Lee continued

Tracked down that Spike Lee profile. "...when the electric bass became ubiquitous in the mid-sixties, he (Bill Lee) refused to play it and stopped getting the lucrative studio work that had supported his family. His wife was obliged to return to teaching. 'I like the artistic stance' (Spike) Lee told me with an exasperated laugh. 'You have a family to support.' But he added, with admiration, 'He's never played the electric bass to date'." (excerpt from "Outside Man: Spike Lee's Celluloid Struggles" by John Cola pinto in THE NEW YORKER -- Sept. 22, 2008)


Entered at Sun Jul 26 16:18:54 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Bill Lee

Thanks, David. Interesting.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 15:24:44 CEST 2015 from (70.193.163.166)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Bill Lee

I recall reading in a profile of Mr. Lee's son Spike, the noted .film director, that his father was a jazz purist, who refused to play electric bass. As a result, he lost out on a lot of studio gigs, and the family suffered financially as a result


Entered at Sun Jul 26 14:41:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Two basses?

On double bass and bass guitar, Brian Wilson was using both together by 1966, playing exactly the same notes so it sounded like one instrument but with the depth of double bass and rhythm attack of bass guitar. I very much doubt that Bob was into that kind of studio wizardry though.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 14:37:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Band Box Vinyl Set - Mojo ratings

UNCUT this month has “Dylan, Newport & The Folk Revolution” (only just bought it, not read it yet) while MOJO simply reviews the book instead.

MOJO also reviews The Band 8 album vinyl set due out next month, and rates the albums. MFBP is at last in the original US sleeve, unlike the other vinyl reissues.

Jim Irvin rates the albums … note that’s HIM not ME … MFBP – 4 star, Brown – 5 star, Stage Fright – 3 star, Cahoots – 3 star, Moondog- 2 star, Rock of Ages – 3 star, NLSC – 4 star, Islands – 3 star.

From a magazine which as I noted recently rates most of what it reviews as 4 star, this is extremely silly. STAGE FRIGHT rated the same as ISLANDS? Really? MFBP, one of the most influential albums ever, 4? So what’s a 5? As you know I’d rate the first three + NLSC all as 5.Probably RoA 4 or 5. The others? Probably 3.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 14:15:37 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Posters and ticket stubs

Thanks, BEG, for posting this. I had seen the site before. Unfortunately, some of the scans posted are not great quality but it is a useful resource.

In respect of the poster collectors/dealers, I have known Pete Howard for many years. He has stayed with me, we've met in New York and I once visited him at home in California, where I saw some of the originals. Andrew Hawley, who I have not met, was very helpful when it came to my research into Dylan shows that were advertised but did not take place.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 13:57:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

RIO BRAVO My Rifle, My Pony, and Me/Cindy

Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson and Walter Brennan

Happy Healthy Sunday!


Entered at Sun Jul 26 13:54:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

AVID COLLECTOR SEEKS VINTAGE BOB DYLAN 1966 RICHMOND MOSQUE CONCERT POSTER


Entered at Sun Jul 26 13:52:38 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan Handbill 1961

Bob Dylan Concert Flyer 1966 Tour

Bob Dylan Flyer 1962 Gerde's Folk City By Suze Rotolo

John Cohen On Bob Dylan, 1962

Bob Dylan Concert Flyer 1966 Tour W/Hawks (The Band)

Bob Dylan Concert Posters 1966 Vancouver And Honolulu


Entered at Sun Jul 26 13:45:12 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

1963-1969 Bob Dylan Ticket Stubs, Posters, Set Lists and Pictures from The Bob Dylan Ticket Stub and Concert Poster Archive.

Bobby Gregg also was the drummer on Simon and Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence".... One of the songs we had to analyze in school as well as the poem "The Rime of The Ancient Mariner" by Coleridge.


Entered at Sun Jul 26 12:08:33 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Location: http://www.bjorner.com/DSN01225%20(66).htm#DSN1225

Subject: January 1966 sessions - drummers etc

With one exception, I think Peter's posting accords with something I posted earlier - Levon up to 28 November 65, Bobby Gregg for shows in December 65 and sessions, Sandy Konikoff for the North American shows in 66 and Mickey Jones for the overseas shows.

The exception is Sandy K playing on the 21 January 1966 session. Peter quoted from Michael Gray's encyclopedia but I was never sure whether Michael G had got that information from Sandy Konikoff himself or whether he had simply used the session listing by Michael Krogsgaard published originally in THE TELEGRAPH (a Dylan fanzine) and used Olof Bjorner in his listing- see link.

Michael K certainly had access to the Columbia Records archive but, then, so did Clinton Heylin, who shows Bobby Gregg for that 21 January 1966 session, not Sandy Konikoff. I have no idea who is right but, perhaps, we'll get a better idea once the forthcoming (1965-1966 studio sessions) BOOTLEG SERIES comes out.

When it comes to the "sidemen", Dylan's three January 1966 sessions are fascinating. Just look at the link. The one on the 21st has Dylan backed by the Hawks (give or take whoever was the drummer) but, a few days later, it changes.

At the session on the 25th, Bobby Gregg ("Robert J Gregg" according to Michael Krogsgaard)is there, Robbie is on both songs and all takes - but Rick is on bass for one song and Bill Lee there for the other. Bill Lee played bass on a number of early Dylan sessions but I've only ever seen him with a stand-up bass. Did Bill Lee play an electric bass guitar? Or was "Leopard-skin Pill-box Hat" originally recorded with a stand-up bass? Why was Bill Lee there at all? And why no Richard and no Garth? It is almost a HIGHWAY 61 REVISTED line-us with Robbie substituting for Michael Bloomfield (too many "Michaels" here!).

Whatever, Richard and Garth were still not there at the session on 27th either but Paul Griffin and Al Kooper are kept on. Robbie is still there and Rick is back for the whole session - no Bill Lee.

And these sessions were long: on 21st, three 3-hour sessions; on 25th, three more 3-hour sessions; and, on 27th, a marathon 12 hour session according to Michael Krogsgaard. Moreover,further sessions had been booked but were cancelled: three 3-hour sessions booked for the 26th; one session for the 27th; another for 31st; and, finally, two 3-hour sessions booked for 4th February.

It seems to me that Dylan had originally planned to record what became BLONDE ON BLONDE entirely in New York before going out on tour again. For some reason, this changed. Certainly, he had not got enough material - he was still writing songs in the Nashville studios in March, with the musicians sitting around waiting - but the changes in the session musicians (not unknown in the past, I have to say) suggest that they were not achieving the "sound" he was after.

Perhaps the forthcoming, 1965-1966 studio sessions, BOOTLEG SESSION release will indeed provide some answers, as I said earlier. Perhaps not but maybe more information to chew on.

Finally, that version of "She's Your Lover Now" referred to in Peter's link was the one with a great performance that suddenly breaks down. The BOOTLEG SERIES VOLs 1-3 liner notes suggest that the cause of the breakdown is Dylan but his exclamation of "What!?!" suggests it lay elsewhere. I put my thoughts in a booklet I put out in 1991. What are your thoughts as to the cause of the breakdown?


Entered at Sun Jul 26 09:49:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Four Drummers

I got interested in the "four drummers" of the 1965-66 Tour. No 2, Bobby Gregg, was a session man, in demand, and didn't want to travel (and because he was an in-demand session man, probably too expensive … or more than Bob wanted to pay.)

Sandy Konikoff, or #3, was The Hawks choice. We know from the notes on this site that he was very briefly a Hawk while they tried Levon on 2nd guitar. The Bob Dylan Wiki entry has this:

QUOTE: He was temporarily imported into Canada in RONNIE HAWKINS" Rolls-Royce to play drums while LEVON HELM was otherwise engaged, and there was a period when he"d be playing two sets in a club in Buffalo and then rushing up north to play two more in Canada on the same night. "I always felt I subbed for Levon," Konikoff says: "There was no way I could match him." The connection eventually secured him a place with the rest of THE HAWKS on the January 21, 1966 Dylan session, cutting that tremendous early Blonde on Blondeouttake 'She's Your Lover Now" (which emerged officially 25 years later on the Bootleg Series Vols.

Then ROBBIE ROBERTSON asked him to do the live 1966 tour with Dylan. "Ronnie Hawkins said I had to give him two weeks" notice or he"d break my legs," says Konikoff, "but Robbie told me he wouldn't really do anything." So, starting on February 4 in Louisville, Kentucky, and running through till March 26 in Vancouver, Canada, Sandy Konikoff was the drummer out there every night being shouted at and booed on the North American leg of the 1966 world tour. He says he wasn't much aware of the booing, but he felt swamped by the whole experience. "I was like the baby of the group. I was in a top 40 band in Michigan and I heard 'Subterranean Homesick Blues" on the radio and it just stopped me in my tracks - and a year later I was playing with them! And I was just struggling from the pressure and the mystique and the frustration of it all. I arrived in my mohair suit, you know, pretending I knew what "acid" meant, and so on. Bob was a really great guy but he never hung out with us much, and I lacked the courage to ask questions. and the sets were so short: things were going so fast." So when the tour moved on to Hawaii, Australia and Europe in April to July, Konikoff stayed behind, replaced by the louder, more volatile MICKEY JONES. "I"ll regret it to my grave that I prematurely left," says Sandy now. He stayed in California. UNQUOTE

Several points emerge. What does "When Levon was otherwise engaged" mean?

It's clear that he was recruited by The Hawks, who knew him well. Did he jump or was he pushed off the Dylan tour? Dylan had been courting Mickey Jones for a while … and the early 1966 section was on the West Coast.

If Sandy was the Hawks choice, and Dylan replaced him, did that affect their attitude to Mickey?


Entered at Sat Jul 25 23:06:42 CEST 2015 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Golf

Watching the Canadian Open - they come back from a commercial break playing the Weight - And Jim Nance welcomes the viewing audience back to the Music of the "legendary Canadian Group- The Band". Nice Touch


Entered at Sat Jul 25 22:44:36 CEST 2015 from (87.144.175.59)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: No Charley Patton

Enjoyed Ian Tyson, thanks Angie.

22min. Cream (link)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 22:15:06 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Coach/whoever, the article you posted is 2.5 years old so maybe it did end and you didn't notice.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 21:49:40 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I'm no expert but I think Seán has nailed it.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 21:39:52 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Ian W: Technical difficulties. Stand by.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 18:36:43 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Ian Tyson pt 10 of 10 conclusion of Songs from the Gravel Road...."Love Without End".

At our Jazz Fest in The Beach....look alike Paul James was performing......many Dylan songs as well as his own. Also Connor Gains Band.....many others of course from many genres and styles of music, including jazz, latin, middle eastern, marching band, etc.

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 13:53:59 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa and Vancouver '66 - and Dylan cartoons

After a slight delay, because of time zone differences, I've now sent Lisa an e-mail with a few items - with a few more to follow. Thanks for your help with putting us in touch, JT and Norm.

I love that Dylan-related cartoon strip.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 13:42:45 CEST 2015 from (108.36.197.190)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: a find

On that dreaded ebay I found and bought a replacement Levon Helm and The Barnburners shirt! Paid $35+ for it but 'cest la vie. 8-9 years ago I was heartbroken to find that someone walked off with mine. I had used it as a placeholder on my chair at a crowded club and obviously someone couldn't resist it.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 12:13:52 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Half a century ago

Courtesy of The Guardian.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 07:07:29 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

© Me again, same IP address

Yes, I said it,

And you read it (here first),

Here and now,

Nobody dies of thirst.

Sweat to death?

Not just yet.

Encore? Please, no more.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:41:04 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

© me, my IP logged...

I typed a load of text,

Then I clicked 'Next'.

Timed out - WTF?

I think I know

When I've had enough.

I'm not a completist,

Not even a defeatist,

But sometimes you have to grow.

Then you go.

Maybe not gently, but please -

Just fukking go.

Please and thanks.

See you all in the Bar. :)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:25:49 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Nice to see mentions of British Columbia's Tom Northcott, who made many wonderful records in a recording career that stretched from the early '60s to the mid '80s. His first few, starting at about age 20, were on his own label, Syndrome; a couple of them are sought-after proto-punk (such as the one at the link). He was smart enough to also sign other acts to his label, notably the Collectors. Their first 45, "Looking At A Baby", was so good and did so well that Warner Brothers came knocking and bought or licenced the whole label and catalogue - and subsequent Collectors and Northcott records came out on either a special New Syndrome / WB label or on a regular WB label with a stylised NS on it. Northcott moved to LA and got in with Lenny Warronker at WB there. Turned out that Warronker liked his voice but not his songs (idiot!) so mostly had him recording covers of Nilsson, Randy Newman and others instead of Tom's originals. So he moved to London, where the producers liked his songs (a couple of which were covered by a psych group, the Explosive) but not his voice. He returned to Vancouver in about '69, around the time WB/NS released "The Best of Tom Northcott" LP. He continued to have local hits and in '71 or '72 released a second LP, "Upside Downside". The song to hear is "Iron Pines", but unfortunately it's not on YouTube that I can see. A stunning piece of songwriting and production.



Entered at Sat Jul 25 06:09:46 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks guys, you're the best! I haven't quite heard from Ian yet, but I'm sure it's coming.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 05:11:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Confirmation

Lisa and Ian: To be sure, confirm that you are in e-mail contact. Norm and I believe you are. Glad to help. Looking forward to your reports.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:49:13 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Contact..........of the 3rd degree

It-s a done deal Jerry.....-:)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:14:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Done

Ian, Lisa, Rockin' Chair Sent and Done!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 03:09:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Norm and Lisa

Norm : Please give Lisa my e-mail address. Thanks


Entered at Sat Jul 25 02:16:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: DYLAN AND THE HAWKS, 1965

Long Distance Operator [Wanted Man Music, 1CD]
Live at the Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley, CA; December 4, 1965. Good to very audience recording.

"There aren’t many Dylan bootlegs that aren’t already in the BigO archive, but here’s one. It’s a recording of a concert by Dylan and The Hawks, recorded December 4, 1965 at The Berkeley Community Center in Berkeley, California. Dylan is backed by Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Richard Manual, Rick Danko with Bobby Gregg on drums." - Philip Cohen

Rhythm Jimmy....Why are you not sharing more?????!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 25 02:03:08 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: e mails

Hi Lisa; Here's the story. When I moved back up island to Port Alice, I have a different provider. I was too stupid to save all my contact address info. Now I can't get back to it.

I do have Jerry's address now. Some how we'll figure this out. You can e mail me because no one will figure this out but you and Jerry.

tsolum666atgeemaildotcom........You should be able to decifre that -:)


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:59:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Morgan Library and Museum

Bob Dylan’s American Journey, 1956-1966

September 29, 2006, through January 6, 2007

Hi Lisa! Sorry I can't help as I have both emails but not Ian W's. Please participate more as you have a lot to offer. Geeeee.....You saw The Hawks!!!!

Many thanks to PSB for sharing articles he wrote about Dyan and The Hawks. I still would like to see your article on Bob Marley.

JD....You went out of your way to obtain info for Ian's articles and we appreciate you for it.
I met Bill Avis in Cobourg but spoke more with his son Jerome Levon Avis. Apparently Bill Avis was also present at the Silver Dollar when I saw Levon and the Barn Burners but didn't know at the time.....You were also there but I hadn't met you as yet.....It was later at Hugh's Room for a Garth Hudson and Eric Andersen gig. I was with my friend Mr. Maximus.

Thank you Joan for usually sharing articles from the The New York Times. Hope you're doing well. :-D


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:40:13 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

JT, thank you for the offer, which I would gladly accept if I knew your email address. This has always been a stumbling block for me ... Norm actually has mine, though he probably doesn't know it and I'm not sure how often he checks in here. Does he have yours too? Or I could write the whole thing out in the phonetic alphabet - would a troll bother deciphering all that?


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:30:57 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: JT and Lisa

Thanks for the offer,JT. Please pass mine on to Lisa and, Lisa, if you could then e-mail me, I'll get one or two things off to you.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:10:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

Jt

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: facilitation

Ian and Lisa: I am happy to facilitate the exchange.


Entered at Sat Jul 25 01:06:19 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa

Thanks for the pointers. I've gone back, as suggested, and read through the various comments and enjoyed them as much as last time.I've now placed them into a separate document for filing.

As for sending you what I have, I'm happy to do so but I would need an e-mail address. How do we exchange addresses without letting the freaks, trolls and assorted snake oil salesmen in? Some folk here have my e-mail address and, if they have yours, perhaps they could facilitate an exchange.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 23:43:08 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Hm. There are people posting here using IP address spoofing and/or hiding behind proxys. Please go somewhere else with that s**t. Also, be very careful. Those "services" that enable you to hide your true IP-address, are also the most virus- and malware-infected web sites on the whole internet.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 23:34:52 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Dylan/Hawks 1966 concert

Wow, it was a lot farther back than I thought. How time flies ...

There's too much to copy here, as it goes on for a while with quite a few comments and additions, but starts at May 6 (2014) 20:11:46, main recollection at 23:56:26, beg posted the Vancouver set list at May 8 10:19:59, and your comments on their sound systems at May 8 10:36:23, Ian.

And yes, I'd be very happy to have anything you've got on that concert. It was a high point in a rather bleak Grade 12 year, and I've never forgotten it.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 20:02:14 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Web: My link

It never ends...


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:57:31 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan Goes Electric

From the New York Times, a review of Elijah Ward new book about 1965 and Dylan going electric. Good review.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:56:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lisa re Vancouver 1966

The short answer is "yes, please", Lisa.

The longer answer is that I am pleased to collect almost anything "paper" on Dylan but especially on or about him from the 1960s, when things were not documented so thoroughly as in later years. Also from the 1970s, when it was done only a touch better in this respect.

I have odd bits and pieces about the Vancouver '66 show - copies that is, not originals - if you are interested.



Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:40:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Human beans

A story this week in the UK is about the group of soccer fans, supporting Chelsea FC in Paris. They were filmed on the Paris Metro pushing a black Frenchman out onto the platform while chanting "We are racists." It's foreign jurisdiction, but Chelsea banning these guys is not, so it went to an English court of law. They have been banned from attending any football matches for five years.

But here's the funny bit. The group ringleader was an ex-police officer, who is now "Director of a Human Rights Organization."

Yet again reality exceeds fiction!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 19:20:19 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I always liked that story about Einstein and when buying his first house…..after listening to a banker ramble on for several minutes about the benefits of home ownership and the mortgages in particular, Einstein is reported to have thrown his hands in the air and said “well, I like to think I understand everything…..EXCEPT compound interest !”…………………….For me, it’s Time….baffles me regularly……..Looking at these pictures of The Hawks 1966 and thinking that just 10 short years later, The Last Waltz happened…....almost hard to believe.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:52:22 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Thanks for the clarification, Bill - I misunderstood what you wrote.

Ian, Are you only interested in the 1965 concerts? A while ago I wrote about attending the March, 1966 concert in Vancouver. It's somewhere in the archives, but I've never had much success in finding previous posts. If you're interested I'll try, though.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:45:40 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Web: My link

Subject: My interview with Elijah Wald

I'm sure most of the people here are aware this weekend is the 50th Anniversary of Bob Dylan playing with a band at Newport. Elijah Wald has an excellent book about it, "Dylan Goes Electric," and the link is to brand new interview I did with him about Newport.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:39:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cigarettes

Not only are cigarettes linked to cardiovascular disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and malignancy, they have also now been incriminated in the causation of rheumatoid arthritis! Many good reasons to STOP now.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:10:49 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Last Puff of Smoke

Story for today (Non-music).

I had to collect my son from Heathrow, normally a 90 minute to 2 hour journey. It took us 4 ½ hours in rain on a July Friday at the start of school holidays heading to the coast. We were in constant traffic jams. In the New Forest we hadn’t moved for 5 minutes. A guy got out of a car two back and lit a cigarette, standing by the verge on a dual carriageway. Suddenly the traffic started moving very slowly, so he walked along still smoking. Then of course it speeded up a little and he started jogging, still taking puffs of his cigarette. Next we increased speed again and he was running flat out, but still taking puffs of his cigarette. I was looking in the mirrors. His companions didn’t seem to notice or possibly found it funny. In the end, I put on my hazard warnings and stopped until he caught up, still taking quick puffs, threw it away and jumped in. Well, at least he didn’t smoke in the car, I thought.

They say jogging’s good for you. Probably not if you smoke at the same time.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 18:00:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Scanning

If you don't have a scanner … try the camera on a smart phone. It will go in much closer than a 'proper' camera and I've used it to record lines of small text I've wanted to remember, and in a couple of cases ticket stubs where shops had some pinned up, and it was sharp enough to print in a book at 300 dpi. The other advantage is you can then simply e-mail it.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 17:56:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great stories from Rhythm Jimmy and John D.

Mickey Jones says he roomed with Garth, and also that they chose to return from the UK by sea together while the others flew. I think on the Queen Mary. Garth told us something about that in London.

On rooming, with five in the band, logically four doubled up on the World Tour, one didn’t. I’m sure there is a note that Rick and Richard roomed together. One to ask Bill Avis, John .

When I was working for a band in 1970, we had five in the band and two roadies. We usually booked three doubles, one single. We were told by management to switch rooming nightly to avoid cliques developing, and we did and it was a toss up between seven, not five, with the roadies sharing with band members equally. But whichever, the same person always got the single, by simply insisting that he wasn’t participating .

We assume The Hawks didn’t always double (at least they had separate rooms in Toronto in Cathy Smith’s story.) We know they had to pay their own accommodation on the Dylan tour, and you’d guess he was staying at more expensive hotels than they were used to, hence the economizing.

Levon says he told Robbie that he was leaving at the Hotel Irving in NYC where they had flown after the Washington show on the 28th … presumably to get a day of rest before recording on the 30th. As no one else knew about it and he “went to Robbie’s room” they weren’t sharing rooms in NYC, but then they were there for a few days, knew the city, and so presumably weren’t staying at the same place as Dylan, as they did on tour.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 16:08:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Sonny Goode Street

I forgot JT. Tom's album was really good and very popular for the time. It's nice to take a listen now and again.

I used to listen to the Water Boys long ago, and like many things you drift away from them.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:59:09 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: That Girl from the North 1 more time for me The best

That one is good Brown Eyes but Robert Plant does the best cover and there is tons, (of this song). This entire work and in particular the mandolin gives it a Keltic feel I really enjoy.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:58:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Write about your 1965 Dylan/Hawks concert experience

I ask all of you (humbly or maybe less than humbly, but I ask anyway) to please take the time and do what Rhythm Jimmy and PSB have done and write about your experiences with Dylan and the Hawks for those 1965 concerts which I listed below. Such descriptions will enlighten all of us who care about such things and will expand the (IMO) somewhat narrow understanding we have of this period. My request simply asks that those who were there expand the experience reflected by media, which often (not always - Fulford loved it!) was somewhat negative. This is contrary to what (few) others have written so far and seems to be the negative tone that these concerts have adopted. (My experience certainly was NOT negative as I have written here).

If you know someone who went and you did not, ask them to write and/or transcribe what they tell you. This is a critical period in music following the British explosion. Thank you.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 15:45:20 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mike Scott and the Waterboys

BEG: You, Lucretia and I seem to be the only ones who are extolling the virtues of Mike Scott. He is an 'unsung' hero of the lyric and his catalogue deserves to be mined. The rest of his band deserves the same immediate attention. He derives from Dylan and other troubadours of the times past and present and says so. The Waterboys' live performances are faithful to the recordings but bring an intensity to them that is energizing. I was amazed when the U.Victoria auditorium had empty seats. It was poor publicity, I think, plus a lack of knowledge of exactly who this band was and what it had done. I admit I never paid much attention to them as they came out of the 80s and I frankly didn't pay any attention to them in the 80s. I never read about the stellar lyrics then and only now as I go back to those wonderful albums do I see that Mike Scott and cohorts wrote some beautiful songs with exceptional melodies delivered with depth and heart that reach deep. This band should be explored by all here. Tell us what you think, please. It is one of my great pleasures at 67 to find yet another band to love. I'll watch the tour information to possibly hear Mike Scott and the Waterboys again. This band is in a renaissance. The new album vies with the best of what they did in the 80s with a vitality that is infectious.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:58:10 CEST 2015 from (67.84.205.226)

Posted by:

Ray

John D,

Cool beans on talking to Bill Avis! He was with the Band since 63 or 64? As I understand it Ronnie Hawkins was actually referring to Bill Avis (Big Time, Bill, Big Time!) and not Bill Graham during the Last Waltz?

Cool that you were there, know so many who where there & reach out to them, and are nice enough to pass it along!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:50:00 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: John D

Thanks for your posts on the topic.Fascinating discussion here!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:45:12 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: BEG; John D; Rhythm Jimmy

BEG: I have a fond memory of Robert Shelton's NEW YORK TIMES article on the Forest Hills concert. I reprinted it, in typescript form, in a small fanzine I published many years ago (35 years ago, in fact) and appended a copy of Bob's signature from some correspondence we'd had back then. When next our paths crossed, he introduced me, jokingly I have to say, to some other folk as the man who had purloined his signature.

Incidentally, the first time I ever saw EAT THE DOCUMENT (and it was a rare event back then), Bob Shelton was in the audience, too. Afterwards, I asked him if one of the journalists in the press conference scene was Max Jones. Bob replied, "Yes", adding, "In a rare sober moment", which was a bit rich for him, I have to say.

For those who don't know the name Max Jones, he was a long-standing journalist with MELODY MAKER, noted mainly for his jazz and blues articles. Dylan sought him out on his first UK visit and has been known to ask after him on later visits.

John D: Great to hear Bill Avis's recollections. Thanks.

Rhythm Jimmy: If you can, somehow, let me have your e-mail address, I'll get something to you. I have recently scanned the VARIETY report for a friend, so I know that's available quickly. I seem to recall that I printed both the TWIN CITY A GO GO report and the advert I mentioned in the fanzine I mentioned earlier, so I'll dig that out and scan it, so it's ready. Over to you.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 14:07:33 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Another great cover of Girl From The North Country by Joe Cocker and Leon Russell.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:41:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

August 30, 1965
Folk Singer Offers Works in ‘New Mood’ at Forest Hills

By ROBERT SHELTON

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:38:51 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!

Norm....Here is my absolute favourite cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country" by the WATERBOYS!

The fiddle playing again is superb.....Mike Scott's voice.....Doesn't he give good voice? The ooooohs he interjects.....the way he can sing covers as if he wrote them himself. The Waterboys are actually a group my older brother also really digs....whereas imagezulu.....lol....They're the same age....in their sixties.....but nope.....He wouldn't know a waterboy from a frat boy from a band boy......but he might recognize a rude boy.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:30:35 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Deleted passages Thu Jul 23 17:22:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Peter V posted kindly a deleted passage from TWOF. It feels so good to beat him with this deleted passage from Shakespeare's 'The Comedy Of Errors'

"Come, come: no longer will I be a fool,To put the finger in the eye and weep, Whilst man and master laugh my woes to scorn, Come, sir to dinner. Levon, keep the gate. Husband, I'll dine above with you to-day, And shrive you of a thousand idle pranks. Robbie, if any asks you for your master, Say he dines forth, and let no creature enter."

Happy Thirsty Thursday. Tomorrow is a long time.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 12:27:05 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Norm. I wasn't aware of his cover because I tend to listen more to rock or soul covers of songs. I forgot that I also have Rod Stewart's cover which I like simply because of his voice.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 11:55:36 CEST 2015 from (70.193.175.83)

Posted by:

David P

Great work John D for contacting Bill Avis to share his recollections of events. His first hand account is enlightening. The oil rig story is priceless.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 10:52:43 CEST 2015 from (92.81.219.35)

Posted by:

grow

Web: My link

I benefit from reaԁing through your websіte. Thanks a ton! 


Entered at Fri Jul 24 06:44:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Tom Northcott

Norm: One of our own. BC has done well. I remember Tom Northcott and his contributions. He apparently studied law as well as engaging in commercial fishing (I read that). At another time, he could have gone far but Canada was not a big player in that scene. Even Bruce Cockburn moved slowly in those years. Any Canadian who made it went to USA as you and everyone else well knows. His songs are great.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 05:21:25 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.15)

Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: Here's what I posted on July 17, at 7.42.48, apropos the role of "The Stones I Throw" in Levon's departure:

In other news, I think the phrase "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed" is a misleading excerpt from the unwritten "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed playing somebody else's tunes when he could have been touring, as the leader of his own hot band, in support of a recording of their own original songs, which had recently been released on a consequential label and which was already climbing the charts back in their stomping grounds up north and could do well all over the place if they played their cards right - but those other guys got cold feet or something."


Entered at Fri Jul 24 04:42:22 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: To Ian W

I don't have a scanner but could have a scan made if we can make arrangements for sending it. The actual artefact wll be presented to my friend Davey the Dylanophile, although he doesn't know it yet.

The Tribune was the morning paper in Minneapolis; the Star was the evening paper. The Tribune was published on Sunday, but not the Star. My guess is that if there was any notice in the press of the Nov. 5 show, it would have been in the Saturday Star (Nov. 6) or the Sunday Tribune (Nov. 7).

The two papers merged some years ago. Their successor is called StarTribune (no city name). Try newspaperarchive dot com.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 04:21:12 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Still here in Mill City, Jeff.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:31:57 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks John D & Jimmy. Lots of interesting stuff. Long ago a very reliable source had told me Levon never did work on an oil rig, but I wasn't about to write it. So it's nice to have some one else with a reliable nameable source to report it. Cutting Dylan's hair, yeah woulda been biblical... Jimmy, thanks for your recollections. Are you still in Minnie?


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:28:29 CEST 2015 from (24.114.74.198)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bravo, John D !


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:19:59 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Massey Hall November of ' 65 and Where Levon Went.

OK. Just got off the phone with Bill Avis. Bill was the road manager for Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks and Bob Dylan & The Hawks. I've got good news and bad news.

First. He obviously remembers the Toronto shows; but can't be 100% sure if Levon was there or not. He leans towards he was still there; but again can't say for sure.

He remembers the Washington show really well for one reason only. Some guy tried to get his girlfriend to get a lock of Dylan's hair. She got close; with her pair of scissors; but Bill and Bobby Neuwirth got her away just in time.

. Regarding Levon leaving. Yes it's true he only told Robbie. The next morning Robbie announced to everyone that Levon had left the group, late the night before. Where did he go? Some interesting stuff I'd never heard before. First he did go back to Arkansas. Then it was off to the Gulf to work on an oil rig. Well, he had no experience. He didn't have a trade to do the job. So; after buying his boots he was put on a painting crew. It didn't take long for someone to recognize his name. They wanted him to play and sing for them. There wasn't any drums on the rig; but Levon had brought some harps with him.

The guys asked him to sing and play harp; which he was happy to do. It wasn't long before he wasn't painting anymore; but singing and playing harp for the guys. I have no idea how long he wAs there; but it's a story I've never heard; until tonight. Sorry there wasn't a 100% verification; on Levon playing Massey Hall in November of '65; but Bill does lean on that he was indeed there.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 02:14:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Minneapolis 65

Terrific stuff, Rhythm Jimmy.

I have a copy of an advert dated 10 Oct 65; it sounds bigger than the one you have and was one of the "An Evening With Bob Dylan" design - similar picture of Dylan by the sounds of it. It just mentions mail order from the downtown ticket office, not the other place.

I think VARIETY gave sales figures. I can check but he all but sold out the venue and it was quite big for that tour.

He arrived early and went round his old haunts looking for Tony Glover.

The Minneapolis Tribune would surely have reviewed the concert, probably the next day (the Saturday edition) or perhaps on the Monday. Did they do a Sunday paper? The local library will surely have it on file somewhere.

There was also a brief report, months and months later (and I mean the summer of 1966) in VARIETY, too. I have the text of this somewhere. I do have a photocopy of the TWIN CITY A GO GO report on the visit. I would have to dig it out but I can supply a copy if you want it.

I would love to see a scan if your ticket stub and the small advert, if we can arrange something. Forgive me but, from a historical perspective, this sort of thing has to be pinned down now. As you say, it's 50 years ago already and who knows what will turn out to be important in the years to come and what less so.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 01:27:55 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lisa / Levon leaving

I read that as well Lisa. I'm not sure what Bill meant; but I'm sure the release of Stones That I Throw had nothing to do with Levon leaving. Where he went is still somewhat of a mystery. It's written he went to work on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico and others say he went back to Arkansas. I really don't know.

I've been trying to reach Bill Avis for the last 24 hours. He was very close to Levon and stayed with the Hawks and Dylan; after Levon left. There is a lot written that various people have been quoting; but besides Robbie and Garth, Bill was there for it all. He'll have some answers hopefully. Take care Lisa.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 01:25:32 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: 1965

JT, I am pleased that you appreciate my recollections. In reviewing my memorabilia, I am struck by the small size of the ad and the modest prices of the tickets. By way of comparison, if I remember correctly, in those days a movie ticket in our town cost 50 cents for children under age 16, 75 cents for children age 16 or older, and $1.00 for adults. From about 1964 through about 1966, my best friend and I went to the movies every Friday night, probably 48 Fridays a year, no matter what was playing.


Entered at Fri Jul 24 00:28:39 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Recalling Dylan and the Hawks in 1965

Rhythm Jimmy: That is superb! Thank you for doing this. It is hard to remember everything but recollections like this is exactly what will help us all understand.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 23:37:42 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Minneapolis, 1965

JT, your post prompted me to excavate a box of memorabilia from way back in my closet, to find that old ticket stub. For what it may be worth, here are my recollections.

In 1965, the year in which I turned 14 years old, I was becoming something of a fan of Bob Dylan. I remember in the spring of that year hearing "The Times They Are a-Changin' " on the British Top Ten, broadcast weekly by a local radio station (KDWB, AM 630), and sometime that summer I acquired "Bringing It All Back Home," the first record I ever bought—the mono version, to play on my family's old Magnavox console. It cost $3.33 at the Rexall Drug, which was a lot of money for me to spend in those days (the stereo version, which I couldn't play anyway, cost a dollar more). By November 1965 I must also have been familiar with "Highway 61 Revisited." Probably it was the second record I bought.

As on other dates in the 1965–1966 tour, the performance in Minneapolis on November 5, 1965, consisted of two sets, a solo acoustic set and an "electric" set, separated by an intermission of about half an hour. Dylan performed half a dozen or so songs in the first set, including "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Desolation Row," with which I was familiar from the recorded versions. I probably knew some of the other songs performed, but I don't remember them.

After the intermission, Dylan played in front of a five-piece band, unknown to me. During the first song of the electric set, his microphone was not working. We could see him leaning into the mike to sing, but there was no sound of his voice. Apparently he was unaware of the problem during the song. When the problem was fixed during the break between the first song and the second, he spoke one word into the mike: "G*d," in an exasperated tone. It was the only word he spoke from the stage that night.

I do not remember any of the songs performed in the electric set. Possibly some of them were later recorded for "Blonde on Blonde," which had not yet been released.

I don't know the attendance at this show, but there were surely many hundreds present. Some of the audience were the first hippies I ever saw or at least were dressed in a style that a few years later I would recognize as "hippie." As a well-behaved youth, I was, of course, dressed in jacket and necktie.

There was no booing at this show, or if there was it was so confined that I was not aware of it.

Tony Glover (of Koerner, Ray, and Glover) was well connected in the local music scene then. My guess is that he would have been backstage that night. I read somewhere that Glover said he had taught Dylan to play cross-harp.

I saved my ticket stub. Half of the part of the ticket showing the price is torn off, but it looks like we were in the $4.50 seats on the main floor.

Also, I saved an ad for the concert, clipped from the Minneapolis Tribune, probably from the Sunday before the show. It is a small ad, only about the size of a matchbox, enclosed in a black border, which is about 1-11/16 by 2-1/2 inches. The copy is as follows: Bob Dylan / [illustration] / MPLS. AUDITORIUM FRI., NOV. 5–8:30 P.M. / TICKETS AVAILABLE AT DOWNTOWN / TICKET OFFICE, CARGILL BLDG., MPLS. / and FIELD-SCHLICK, ST. PAUL / PRICES: $2 - $2.50 - $3 - $3.50 - $4.50 - $5.50. The illustration is a high-contrast photo or silhouette of Dylan in profile, facing left, with hair length about like that on the cover of "The Times They Are a-Changin'." The band was not mentioned.

I wish I could remember more. It was, after all, nearly 50 years ago, and I was just a boy.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 23:22:33 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

The only boot I've heard from Forest Hills was taped in the audience, and the anger is palpable. PSB's description is quite accurate.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:43:23 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Aggression

Lisa and Peter Stone Brown: It all sounded very aggressive. I have not read that anything like that happened at any other venues to the degree described. Kind of disgusting, I'd say. These were the same people who were going soon to be into love and kindness and understanding. Human beings!. An interesting species.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:32:10 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Typo

Along, not alone ...


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:26:27 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Forest Hills

Al Kooper's take on the incident:

Our instruments were pushed into place and we walked out on stage. Suddenly an ill-timed wind whipped through the stadium, dropping the temperature at least ten degrees in as many seconds. The crowd stirred at the sound of the tentative drum rolls and guitar tunings; an ominous rumble from the other side of the darkness.

The lights went up and we were into "Tombstone Blues" full force, but the audience got quiet. Too quiet. The wind churned around the stadium and blew Dylan's hair this was and that, as if reprimanding him for this electric sacrilege. The conclusion of the song was greeted with the boos all these kids had read so much about and probably felt obliged to deliver. Of course, the barrage was peppered with "Dylan, you scumbag! ... Get off the fucking stage!" and other subtle pleasantries characteristic of our generation.

Bob didn't flinch. He just bulled his way straight through the hour-plus set. It seemed that even the hero worshippers were unusually aggressive on this particular evening. They'd try to claw their way onto the stage to make contact with Dylan, and the police were sparing no tactic to keep them back. One kid was chased behind me by a cop and as he flew by, he hooked his leg on my stool, taking me with him as he went down. I was on my ass and not the least bit pleased about the situation.

Three-quarters of the way through, Dylan stood at the piano to play "Ballad Of A Thin Man", a song from the as-yet-unreleased Highway 61 album. It had a quiet intro, and the kids persisted in yelling and booing all the way through it. Dylan shouted out to us to "keep playing the intro over and over again until they shut up!" We played it for a good five minutes - doo do da da, do da de da - over and over until they did, in fact, chill. A great piece of theater. When they were finally quiet, Dylan sang the lyrics to them: "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you?" It was almost as if he'd written the song knowing full well that the moment would come when he'd sing it to a crowd like this one. Just like "Baby Blue" at Newport. It was lovely. We then segued into "Like A Rolling Stone", which was number one on the charts that week. Everyone sang alone, and then booed when it was over!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:08:35 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Girl From The North Country (brown eyed girl)

Brown eyed girl, not sure if you ever heard Tom Northcott from Campbell River on the island here. He covered this song many years ago. Many people consider it the best cover. You decide.

Tom is now a retired fisherman living in Prince Rupert.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 22:04:07 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

John, thank you for that. There are so many acronyms here I find them hard to follow sometimes!

Bill M referred to this song having something to do with Levon's leaving, but didn't say exactly what. If it's not too long a story, could you fill me in? I can't seem to find any other reference to it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:55:00 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thank you

Thank you, PSB. So much H..S being espoused as stories get told and retold and after a while become 'truth'. Its good that you correct the record at least for those who care about such things.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:49:34 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lisa

Lisa, just short form for the Levon and The Hawks record, THE STONES THAT I THROW.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:22:40 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

I'm following everything here with great interest, but for the second time STIT has been mentioned. What does this mean?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 21:22:21 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Web: My link

Subject: Forest Hills

Dan Kramer is correct, it would have been physically impossible to throw stuff on the stage at Forest Hills. The audience was in the stands, the stage was in the playing field. There wasn't seating or standing near the stage. That said, a bunch of kids did run across the field and onto the stage several times. The vibe in the stadium was not good, and I remember thinking it was quite possible a riot could break out. The link is to an article I wrote ten years ago about it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 20:01:03 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mickey Jones

In the early 70's I did an interview with Mickey Jones. I spent at least half an hour on his time with the Hawks. I have to get the tape "baked" to hear it again. I believe he and Garth were roommates on the tour. A very nice and jovial man. JT may have heard STIThrow the second night; but they did not perform alone the first night.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:47:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Ben. Here's Buddy Cage's road stories from Festival Express.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:43:22 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

THE CANADIAN SQUIRES / LEVON AND THE HAWKS


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:36:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 (correction)

That was 1965, of course, not 2015, though wouldn't it be nice.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:36:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W....Another large poster of The Hawks as well as another recollection.

The Hawks with Levon Helm on vocals, September 18, 1961:

What A Party
Farther Up The Road
She’s Nineteen

Levon & The Hawks, Texas, 1964:
You Don’t Know Me

The Canadian Squires, 45 single, 1964:
Leave Me Alone

Levon & The Hawks, 45 single, Atco, 1965:
He Don’t Love You The Stones I Throw


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:33:40 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Mr. Jones, the not so Thin Man

An intangible plus for Mickey Jones was that he'd proven his reliablitiy on the road. He'd done international tours with both Trini Lopez and Johnny Rivers. As he'd begun playing with Lopez in Texas around the same time as Levon joined Ronnie Hawkins, it's quite possible that they crossed paths playing in the same places back then.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:31:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Silver, invectives, and journalism

As Dylan so eloquently said the following world tour 1966: "I don't believe you. You're a liar! Shut your .... mouth!".

I find this difficult to believe. I was in that room on Nov. 15, 2015. Maybe I was blind and deaf that evening, but I sure heard Dylan and the Hawks.He makes it sound like a mob frothing collectively at the mouth. There was no such thing.

Scooping up the silver? Give me a break!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:30:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

Many thanks, BEG.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 18:02:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W....Also, click on previously posted article for full size if you don't already have a copy.
Review of Bob Dylan’s performance at Massey Hall, the Telegram, November 15, 1965.

"As happened elsewhere, the audience split when Dylan hit the Massey Hall stage. There was booing and hissing when the electricity was turned on for the second set. Somebody sarcastically yelled out “Elvis!” A few people left the building. One irate fan complained to the Globe and Mail that Dylan had become “a cheap imitation of the Beatles.” Newspaper reviews are laughable in hindsight. The Globe and Mail’s Bruce Lawson treated the performance as the interview he couldn’t secure with Dylan before the show. The Star’s Antony Ferry was filled with bile, calling Levon and the Hawks “a third rate Yonge Street rock n’ roll band” whose noise drowned out Dylan’s message. “That great voice, a wonderfully clean poet’s voice, is buried under the same Big Sound that draws all the Screamies to a Beatle orgy of pubescent kids at Maple Leaf Gardens.” Ferry’s Star colleague Robert Fulford disagreed; he found the acoustic half boring, while the electric set offered “great waves of sound roaring off the stage in marvellously subtle rhythms…It’s Dylan’s own new thing. I love it.” The Telegram’s Barrie Hale felt Dylan could lose the fussier members of the audience, and that the performance demonstrated that his new sound was picking up new fans. “They know something is happening there, they just don’t know what it is, but they dig it.”


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: fans give Dylan and Hawks no quarter

JT: In '65 'sarcastic dime' was the smallest Canadian coin minted in silver. Throwing pieces of copper or pieces of nickel would have had no tie with Judas Iscariot and the metal his payoff was made from - a very repulsive association yet one that was made elsewhere as well. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that 1965 was the last year that any everyday Canadian currency was minted from silver.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:43:17 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Biscuits. Sauce or Gravy?

Speaking of tea biscuits, there's an Italian bakery nearby that makes these amazing tea biscuits. with or without a patch of vanilla icings on top. But always with just the perfect amount of raisins inside. They are pretty nice sized. I never had or saw a tea biscuit before but when i saw these, somehow i knew what they were..... the bakery is 6 short Brooklyn blocks( NYC has short & long blocks) from the house i grew up in, and about a mile and a half (9 long Brooklyn blocks, or 30 short ones) from where i live now. First time i got one of these tea biscuits with the bakeries amazing coffee, i thought to myself, well, they are excellent, but would go better with tea. However, i stuck with the coffee and by the third time decided it's a winning combination.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:37:40 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Apologies to rock fiddle player......STEVE WICKHAM.....He's the special ingredient with The Waterboys who uses a "fuzz fiddle" technique while playing rock music......."He identifies Lou Reed, Van Morrison, Toni Marcus, and Mozart as musical influences, amongst others,[5] and Mick Ronson.[4]"....I've also posted before the best cover of Dylan's "Girl From The North Country". When I'm boiling mad I play, "It Should Have Been You".


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:31:36 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

And Glen Frey said he wore out his copy of MFBP.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mike Scott and the Waterboys

'The Pan Within'- thank you. Brilliant performance by Mike Scott and the Waterboys. I came to them late and listen to them all the time now. (including older albums)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:22:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, in my imagination one of the deleted passages from ‘TWOF” just swam into my head.

‘Toronto they was throwin’ these sarcastic dimes, you know, like we was busking in the subway. I’ll tell you what, I’m sitting in the back there, and Robbie’s right at the front where them dimes are landing. I seen him scoopin’ ‘em on up, and after the show, he must’ve had three or four dollars in his hand. Did he share them with the guys? No way! I calculate he still owes me 60 or 70 cents.’


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:16:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I was lucky to have seen them in the eighties with Wallinger.....I think.....I've read articles where he states he's still bitter.....but wishes Mike Scott well. Oh well.....when you have two songwriters....I do remember however, that I left satisfied after this show which took place in my present hood. He spoke of his fondness for Van and sang....."Sweet Thing".

Song for the day..."The Pan Within".....Always looooove how at times he's talking to you and the songwriting and singing......Huge fan of Mike Scott and The Waterboys!!!!!!

Don Henley's connection to the Band.....He referred to his new recording as Americana and some of the songs were influenced by the songs he heard on the radio while driving with his Dad.....connection to Levon.

Queen East in The Beach....will be closed for the next few days as our Jazz Fest (not really...lol) takes place. I always check it out with one of my friends who lives there. We always go tonight as the crowds won't be as crowded like sardines. She's the one I visited in South Africa as she had a home there in the suburb of Cape Town where JT's partner has family as well....Unbelievable that we were there at the same time? Christmas 2004 to New Year's 2005....two weeks in Fish Hoek. Unfortunately we were out one day when Nux from the GB called to say helloooooo.

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 17:08:40 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Mickey Jones

Yes, Jeff, I agree - entirely different things but Mickey Jones had expected to continue touring with Dylan after the shows in Europe. Dates were lined up but the format was due to change for some of them. The cancelled show at Shea Stadium, for example, would have had Peter, Paul and Mary opening and an electric Dylan closing. Mickey mentioned this when most people knew nothing of it and then a flyer or some such turned up. I think Dylan liked Mickey's heavy hand.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:47:14 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Gee, didn't Mickey Jones claim that he was invited to join the Four Who Stayed after Dylan's accident?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:25:15 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ian, fulfilling payment regarding the term of a contract, & what the reality, length, and depth of an actual musical or musical performance relationship is, are entirely different things.



Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:15:21 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

The article mentioning "sarcastic dimes" is not the best quality but it sure looks like "sarcastic dimes" to me. The journalist did stress that very few people did this. Also that those who approved outnumbered those who did not.

My comment about the cops fronting the stage in Washington is based a photo in a local publication called "DC Monuments", which reprinted a number of press bits and pieces from Dylan's visits to the area in the 1960s. The photo probably comes from a microfilm in a library, so again is not the best quality. There are certainly four or five cops visible and, if those are lights reflecting off of cap badges further away from the camera, then at least seven cops. And, from the angle of the camera relative to the stage, there would have been more on the far side - I'd guess at least 10 or 12 in all. This was in the solo acoustic set, too.

I seem to recall things were said to have been thrown on the stage at Forest Hills, though photographer Dan Kramer said that would have been physically impossible - but, then, there's a difference between throwing things AT the stage and succeeding in getting those things ON TO the stage. And, back in Manhattan after the show, Dylan asked a girl if she liked the show and, when she replied that she didn't much like the "new music" but hadn't booed, Dylan said she should have booed, should have made her feeling known. It is clear from Kramer's book that Dylan had anticipated the adverse reaction and went ahead anyway. Of course, he was well aware that "Like a Rolling Stone" was rising in the charts.

PSB, there was a report on the Newark show in one of those New Jersey nostalgia newspapers some years back. I think they covered Dylan's trips to East Orange, too.

Mickey Jones: Mickey was more than a fill-in drummer, IMHO,since he had a contract that lasted longer than the "overseas" tour. Was it 2 years? I can't rightly recall but it is on file somewhere. And Dylan continued to pay him, in full, in accordance with that contract long after the accident. It was no short-term arrangement, which is what I would associate with the term "fill in".


Entered at Thu Jul 23 16:01:44 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, your twice stated premise re Jones & The Last Waltz ignores RR's reason for The Last Waltz. And also ignores what The Last Waltz has served to be.

Now Pete, you are a little slow on the up take ... I never suspected you of being creepy perverted in the spying sense. " Pete's been toying with us all and manipulating our most private and precious Band feelings and notions, well, maybe just to try to sell this GB as a premise for a reality TV show." But one could take this GB and use it as premise for an absolutely horrible premise of putting a couple dozen of us at Big Pink and shangri La for a few weeks of free for all. Guest musicians, interviewers, writers, critics, a big fucking OY.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:48:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rosalind

Pete: Find the Waterboys song of the current album 'You Married The Wrong Guy, Rosalind". (you should have married me!).

One of many great songs on a stellar album.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:45:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Reality TV

Damn, Jeff - I thought you'd never get it. We're editing the first 3000 hours of recordings at the moment. But you still haven't found that hidden camera. Here in the control room we're all looking forward to watching you trying to find it.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:43:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

(sigh) My point was only that with Mickey, they could have paid tribute to one of the greatest moments in their shared history. Nothing to do with drumming at all. Incidentally, I have to say I would take the "Live 66" Like A Rolling Stone over both the IOW one and the Before The Flood one … first for Dylan's voice and attitude on Live 66, but also it was a magic moment. it all fitted.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:43:07 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- it wouldn't be reality TV without Rosalind.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:39:58 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

PSB, Ben, Y' know, Pete's recent argument that Mickey Jones belonged at the Last Waltz, and thinking back etc etc, it all sheds a new light on many things. So many of these positions Pete comes up with are so out there, and Pete's rah rah rah sis boom bah enthusiasm and often singlemindedness so focused and not in perpective to an otherwise feet on the ground middle aged earl grey sipping grandpa..... well, maybe :-), just maybe.... Pete's been toying with us all and manipulating our most private and precious Band feelings and notions, well, maybe just to try to sell this GB as a premise for a reality TV show. You never know with Pete, he's always working on this & that. While I'm not in favor of reality TV, i'd easily understand all if he's just trying to put some jam & tea biscuits on the table :-)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:39:09 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Hammond Jr. 1992 and not 1976

Speaking of John Hammond Jr, I've wanted to hear his performance at Bobfest 92 for a long time now. It was not put on any of the commercial releases (audio or video) and apparently occurred early and before the show was filmed. I'd love to hear it. Anyone?

I absolutely agree that he should have been at TLW and wonder why he wasn't.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:23:51 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Mickey Jones and 65 shows and other stuff

The idea of having Mickey Jones at The Last Waltz is just silly. Ultimately, while being a great propulsive drummer, in the end Jones was a fill-in drummer for one tour. The most egregious non-invitation was John Hammond Jr. Jesse Winchester couldn't be there for obvious reasons, but others who might have taken part were Carly Simon and Hirth Martinez.

I've written about Dylan's '65 Newark, NJ show several times. One is linked above. There were two I'm pretty sure rent a cops on either side of the stage, meaning there was one cop on each side. There was no booing. A month earlier at Forest Hills, there was a lot of comedy between the NYC police and a bunch of young teenage boys who ran onto the stage followed by the cops running in and around the musicians while they were playing.

I've always felt Robbie tended towards exaggeration when he talked about people in the audience throwing stuff.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:11:39 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Henley, Band Connection,

Pete, I'm kinda shocked that of all people you'd ask what the Band connection is to a news story of Don Henley getting ready to release a new album after he finishes an Eagles tour.
The Band connection is that Henley is a definitive Eagle and you've always insisted that Rick would have thrived and been a successful and likely choice as bass player in the Eagles. I don't recall if your original mention came up with you thinking him as correct from the start of The Eagles, or as a replacement for Meisner, but, you've always championed Rick as a good fit as an Eagle & even discussed the timing making sense. Some would say that's a solid Band connection. Other's might scoff... Now tenuous as a fan's insistence actually creating a solid Band connection might be, I guess it's at least as solid a Band connection as the one that leads to your position that Mickey Jones belonged at The Last Waltz.. This is after all, just a fan forum...


Entered at Thu Jul 23 15:11:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: He Don't Love You

Having picked “AT The Club” off the shelf, it is one of the very best examples of what I was listening to in clubs in 1966. I took it to the car and have played He Don’t Love You half a dozen times this morning. it confirms my previous thoughts … had this side (NOT The Stones I Throw) been promoted in the UK in May 1966 alongside the Dylan tour, history would be different. Atlantic should have asked them to stay a week after Dylan, got them on Ready Steady Go and Top of The Pops. Spencer Davis was riding high with Keep On Running and Somebody Help Me. Lee Dorsey was at the peak of UK popularity. It’s exactly the record for May 66. It would have been certain Top 5 with the right pushing. Still, you have to be careful with alternative history. They didn’t need Levon for the vocals on this track, and Mickey could have played it BUT in that alternative history, perhaps the Basement and Big Pink would never have happened.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 14:24:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!

What, I wonder, are 'sarcastic dimes'? I don't know if these reporters sat through the entire show and I certainly don't want to doubt their credibility. However, when one reads comments like this, one gets the impression that a revolution by an angry mob had broken out in a reaction to this crass perceived commercialism. Let me set the record straight, despite these comments. There was no revolution on November 15. If there were jeers, they were more than drowned out by cheers. The audience was positive at both the solo AND the accompanied performance by Dylan. It may have been otherwise at other venues. Hopefully, we will hear from others who can attest to their presence at these shows. By the way, I'd believe Robert Fulford easily over the others.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 14:13:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

I can't say what happened as I wasn't there. The headline in the GLOBE AND MAIL was that Dylan was booed. The headline in the TELEGRAM said "Jeers, Cheers For Dylan" (referring to the split in the audience - a few walked out, a very few threw "sarcastic dimes" and "scores of them ... storming the stage". The STAR said Dylan had gone commercial and quoted several phrases shouted by fans during the electric set, expressing anger and disappointment. A few days later, Robert Fulford said he disagreed with these reports.

In terms of storming the stage and a (potentially?) adverse reaction, there was a line of DC's finest in front of the stage in Washington on 28 November. Did Dylan's people seek this? Had the promoter heard what had happened elsewhere? What prompted this?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:51:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Minneapolis Nov. 5: Dylan and the Hawks

Rhythm Jimmy: You were there in Minneapolis on Nov. 5. Though you may have nothing to add in terms of 'historical significance', your comments and impressions of that show (even at age 14), are relevant and important to me. Can you share anything you recall and were there others with you who might remember?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:44:07 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, the Mickey Jones interview is a fun read. He does seem like a natural storyteller. But, I wouldn't take anything he says as the gospel truth without a secondary source of verification. I get the impression that a lot of the stories he tells have been embellished and changed over the years.

I was surprised to read that he goes back to the 50's with Ronnie Hawkins and Levon. But I found his comment about Levon leaving the Dylan tour due to a nervous breakdown a bit suspect.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:28:51 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Olof Bjorner

Sorry: That is from Olof Bjorner's page (it corrected me incorrectly) (without the umlaut or whatever it is called in Scandinavia)


Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:26:35 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 Bob Dylan with The Hawks

OK: So (from Bjorne's excellent documentation), here are the shows listed for the later 1965 period.

I would ask those who attended these shows to comment on them in any way they see fit to 'fill in' some of the gaps we may have about these shows. Any impressions or comments are welcome. This may help make us understand better what went down during those wonderful times.

August 28 New York City, New York Forest Hills Tennis Stadium

September 3 Los Angeles, California Hollywood Bowl

24 Austin, Texas Austin Municipal Auditorium

25 Dallas, Texas Southern Methodist University Coliseum

October 1 New York City, New York Carnegie Hall

2 Newark, New Jersey Symphony Hall, Mosque Theater

Baltimore, Maryland Civic Center

8 Knoxville, Tennessee Knoxville Civic Coliseum

9 Atlanta, Georgia City Auditorium

16 Worcester, Massachusetts Memorial Auditorium

Princeton, New Jersey Princeton University

22 Providence, Rhode Island Rhode Island Auditorium

23 Burlington, Vermont UVM Patrick Gymnasium

24 Detroit, Michigan The Masonic Auditorium

29 Boston, Massachusetts Back Bay Theater

30 Hartfort, Connecticut Bushnell Memorial Auditorium

31 Boston, Massachusetts Back Bay Theater

Madison, Wisconsin Orpheum Theater

November 5 Minneapolis, Minnesota Auditorium

Yellow Springs, Ohio Antioch College

12 Cleveland, Ohio Music Hall

14 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Massey Hall

15 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Massey Hall

18 Cincinnati, Ohio Music Hall

19 Columbus, Ohio Veterans Memorial Auditorium

20 Buffalo, New York Kleinhans Music Hall

21 Syracuse, New York Onondaga County War Memorial

26 Chicago, Illinois Arie Crown Theater

J 27 Chicago, Illinois Arie Crown Theater

28 Washington, DC Washington Coliseum

December 1 Seattle, Washington

3 Berkeley, California Community Theate

r 4 Berkeley, California Community Theater

5 San Francisco, California Masonic Memorial Auditorium

7 Long Beach, California Civic Auditorium

8 Santa Monica, California Civic Auditorium

9 Pasadena, California Civic Auditorium

10 San Diego, California Community Concourse Theater

11 San Francisco, California Masonic Memorial

12 San Jose, California Civic Auditorium

18 Pasadena, California Civic Auditorium

19 Santa Monica, California Civic Auditorium



Entered at Thu Jul 23 13:07:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Need to check, but somewhere I recall Robbie (I think) saying they didn't get booed in the South or in Toronto.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:54:43 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: My take on Nov. 15, 1965

Ian W: I want to note that at the Nov. 15, 1965 Massey Hall show, I heard no boos or loud negative remarks regarding the second half of the show. From my perspective, the show was well received, despite what may have happened at other previous shows at other times. Perhaps John D can comment on if he heard boos etc on Nov. 14.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:44:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mickey mentions in the interview about how his role was sidestepped when Levon was asked about 1966 and didn't say he wasn't there. But there was a united conspiracy of reticence about Levon’s leaving and absence for years. It didn’t fit the story of them being together as one unit for years which was mythologized. I’m not sure when it started to get discussed. Certainly when I bought the Royal Albert Hall bootleg in early 1971 and everyone was talking about “The Band” backing Dylan, we all thought it was Levon. Drummer friends noted a change of style, but hey, it was two and a half years before MFBP. We hadn't heard any Hawks stuff to compare it with. Anyway, it was exciting playing. Maybe 1976 and TLW was even before the story was known widely. No Google image search then!


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:25:11 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, With all due respect, Dylan and the Band paid homage to the '66 tour by performing 'Baby, let me follow you down' and 'I don't believe you' at the last waltz. I don't think the addition of Mickey Jones was warranted and I've never heard anyone besides you bring it up.

If we follow your logic, should Mike Bloomfield and Al Kooper have replaced Robbie and Garth on LARS as well? The fact is the last waltz was a Band event with Dylan as guest, not a Dylan event. Now, maybe Mickey Jones should have been invited to Bobfest.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 12:18:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mickey interview

The Carol Caffin interview with Mickey Jones is a good one to re-read. He actually says Robbie barely said hello. There’s a bit of audition etiquette there. If you cast people you know, you don’t have to audition them. If someone you know auditions without telling you in advance, you are put on the spot in an open audition. Everyone else thinks, ‘So why did we bother to come? This guy obviously has it.’ There’s also something I’ve experienced, where a new director isn’t going to cast someone who knew him back in the day. A new producer or director wants to keep a distance. It happened with a director when I wanted to cast an actor friend we had worked with years earlier when the new boss was the assistant, getting the coffee. No way, even though I’d written the part with the actor in mind. I can see why.

However, the pleasant thing to do was stay aloof in the audition but phone the guy later and chat. But who knows?

The other thing is how “uncurious” he must have been, Mickey says he asked Ronnie years later what had happened to Levon. You think they might have mentioned it on the tour. But I corresponded with Mickey years ago. Always entertaining, always generous with his time. And yes, he had a great right foot. I still play "Live at PJs" and the drumming is great.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 11:47:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian W - against that is Levon says in TWOF that when he left he only told Robbie, and the others were surprised to find him gone in the morning. I would guess that he knew he wasn't dropping out of shows thus causing them serious problems, because they had the NYC sessions booked and he knew that in NYC they could find a good session guy.

Ben … I think Ringo one of the greatest rock drummers ever. That wasn't the point. They had two drummers anyway with Richard … the point was reprising perhaps the greatest Dylan / Hawks moment: that Manchester Like A Rolling Stone, then heavily bootlegged as "Royal Albert Hall." It was not about needing a drummer, it was about recreating a particular highlight of Dylan & The Hawks' shared history.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 11:09:51 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Peter, I disagree with your comment about Mickey Jones being missed at the last waltz. If a second drummer was needed for any song, Ringo was there. According to the linked interview, Jones never connected with Robbie. He actually says that he auditioned for 'Carny' and Robbie didn't acknowledge that he knew him.

If we're gonna fantasize about changes to Dylan's set at the last waltz, how about if 'Hazel' and 'Forever Young' were replaced by a couple of Basement tapes songs, maybe 'Quinn the eskimo' and 'Crash in the levee'.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:38:06 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto

Bill M, thanks for your contributions.

I tend to look for known "facts" and build the rest around them but here are a couple of less well founded thoughts.

Dylan and the Hawks come to Toronto in mid-November 1965. Levon is already unhappy anyway that they are now a support band rather than a group in their own right with a single of their own out on the Atlantic label. Toronto is their own turf yet they still get booed and people are walking out of the shows when they appear on stage with Dylan. This is the final straw - booed in their stronghold. He announces that he's going to leave, works two weeks notice and leaves the tour after the Washington DC show on the 28th November. Pure speculation on my part but it hangs together, I think.

Incidentally, the STAR's Robert Fulford, who interviewed Dylan at Friars in September, wrote a short comment that he found the solo half of the concert boring and much preferred the second half. This did not appear until several days after the shows and was tucked away at the end of his column, so would have been missed by the touring party. Now, perhaps if they had seen this and Levon had thought that the tide was beginning to turn, things would have turned out differently. But we can all play "What if?".

I would agree that it is more likely that the Dylan entourage arrived in Toronto on 13th November direct from Cleveland. As a broad generality (and I know there were exceptions), the shows in that period took place over weekends, so I think they set off for the first show on any weekend and didn't return to New York until that set of shows was over.



Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:13:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Don Henley

I watched the clip … what's the Band connection, Jeff? The track list includes Brand New Tennessee Waltz, originally produced by Robbie for Jesse Winchester, plus Train in the Distance which I hope is the Paul Simon song. Singers listed are Mick Jagger, Martina McBride, Dolly Parton … but I guess it must be more than that. Anyone know?


Entered at Thu Jul 23 10:10:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bill M: you're right about the allocation of matrix numbers making it likely they were done on one session … it's not definite though, because they could have been allocated at mastering for disc rather than recording.

Given Levon's clear statement that he left after the Washington DC concert, and we also know Bobby Gregg was on the 30 November session, I would say "the night between the 28th & 29th November" is a solid fact. I'd mentioned October earlier because was foolishly assuming my memory held the information without double checking the book.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 06:10:59 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

We have conflicting definitive info on when Levon left - end of Oct / end of Nov. I'm going with Nov, as that puts Levon at the Toronto shows, helping 'showcase' the Hawks' current local 'hit', "The Stones I Throw" on one of the nights. (I just can't imagine that JT would have dreamt that.)

When he did leave, common sense and Sandy Konikoff agree that Dylan (and/or Grossman) went with the remaining Hawks' suggestion that Sandy be hired from Hawkins' current group back in Toronto. Sandy accepted and gave Ronnie the required two weeks notice, during which period Bobby Gregg filled the void. Sandy joined the Hawks in LA, still in '65, and stayed for a couple months before returning to Toronto.

I agree with Peter V and others that Mickey Jones was stellar with Dylan. I'm sure he was capable of much more nuanced drumming, but he played how the music needed him to play - and the power of his playing on LARS in Manchester is simply phenomenal.

Wherever Levon went first when he left (wherever it was they were when he left), I don't think he went to the gulf oil rigs first. Sandy was in Toronto only briefly before he returned to LA, where he slept on Levon's couch and got to know the musicians like Levon Russell and Carl Radle that Levon was gigging with. Hence his participation in the Mad Dogs and Englishmen Tour later on.

Ian W: The "Globe and Mail" was and is a morning paper, and back then the earliest edition of the (say) Thursday paper would be available downtown by midnight Wednesday. So if a writer's column in the Nov 15 paper said "Yesterday somebody told me ..."), he or she most likely meant they'd been told on the 13th.

The fact that the three Levon and the Hawks songs on the two Atco 45s ("The Stone I Throw", "He Don't Love You", Go Go Liza Jane") have consecutive matrix numbers suggests they were done at a single session. Three seems to have been the norm, so there'd be something to fall back on if the first release turned out to be a hit.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 02:46:12 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Old spice

Why, Cap'n Norm, you say the sweetest things, you crusty old sea dog.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 02:21:32 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Sea

You were singing the wrong song Brown Eyes.........you should have been singin'............

Come with me my love..to the sea...the sea of love,

I want to tell you.......how much I love you........

Just come on out girl....we'll take you cruising on the Rockin Chair.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 01:05:56 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Don Henley got a new record coming out. Of course, there is a Band connection.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:48:30 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

John, email me at my Christian name and surname @ hotmail.co.uk look forward to hearing from you bro


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:39:18 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

Hi John, It's me brother. I said I wouldn't come back...but I check in now and again. I skim the posts about Van Morrison, etc.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:32:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lee

Is this really Lee G? Is so; or not I thank you for acknowledging me. Hope your well.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:15:23 CEST 2015 from (94.14.79.230)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: John D

John, I have Some of the studio track sheets for the demos with Duff Roman and dates are October & November 64. I hope that helps you guys. Peace Jan


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:11:49 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Minneapolis 1965

R Jimmy, all I can recall from what I've read of the Minneapolis concert is as follows:

The show started late.

There was a microphone problem in the second half.

He virtually sold out a large venue.

There was a report on his visit in a local magazine called "Twin City A Go Go", the text of which I reprinted in a fanzine I edited back in the 1980s. This included stuff about Dylan visiting old haunts in the city as he sought out Tony Glover, a long time friend of his.

There were some lovely photos from the concert in ISIS magazine some time back. Maybe the photographer'd sell copies.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:07:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Levon says "after Washington DC" which makes it November 28th. As Ian said, Bobby Gregg is on the November 30th session.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:06:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As I've said before, one of the missing guests at TLW was Mickey Jones (and obviously John Hammond Jnr),and in a perfect world, they should have had Mickey up for Like A Rolling Stone … Levon could have moved to guitar or drummed too. But at the Manchester Free Trade Hall, Mickey's drumming was a STATEMENT. I'm not arguing feel nor technical ability, but what happened on that night on that song. Incredible.


Entered at Thu Jul 23 00:01:59 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location:

Subject: When did Levon leave the 1965 tour?

My friend Davey the Dylanophile says that the last show Levon played in the 1965 tour was on Oct 31, don't know his source, but it would mean that there was a different drummer in Dylan's performance in Minneapolis on Nov 5. Not that I would have known then anyway.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:56:01 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1965

Thanks for the CHUM link. Even though I have the photo (in my computer files where I had "de-spotted" it, then forgotten it), it was not in my paper files which I have out for another purpose at present. I didn't have the link mentioning the TORONTO TELEGRAM 11 Nov 65 article. I have sent an enquiry to the "editors" of the TORONTOIST and we'll see if they reply and, if so, what they say.

The GLOBE AND MAIL for 15 November 65 said that "Dylan and his troupe flew into Toronto - in his own plane, so I was told - late yesterday afternoon". There's always a bit of a problem with dating things this way - was an article published on, in this case, the 15th written on the 14th or the 15th and did the journalist adjust the text to account for this possible discrepancy? They played Cleveland on 12 November, so they could have flown straight from there on 13th. Either way, I don't think Dylan was in Toronto on the day the TELEGRAM article was published. I would suggest that the photo was taken at Friars during Dylan's September 1965 visit, which would be consistent with BILLBOARD (cover date 2 October 1965)reporting Bob McAdorey meeting Dylan during his "top secret visit". That 2 Oct 65 issue of BILLBOARD was probably on news-stands on 25 September and Dylan flew out of Toronto on 17 September.

As to drummers, I've long understood that Levon drummed up to 28 November 1965, that Bobby Gregg played the 30 November 65 studio session and the December 1965 concerts, that Sandy Konikoff took over for the 1966 shows in North America and Mickey Jones for the "overseas" shows.

I do not wish to get embroiled in any "Who is (was?) best?" debate on drummers but I thought Mickey Jones really drove Dylan and the Hawks in those April-May 1966 concerts.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:55:11 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I can't even look up the books properly … it was the Irving Hotel near Gramercy Park. (TWOF, hardback, p140). Levon says he told Robbie, "I always had that ambition to be OUR OWN BAND." Then "It just ain't my ambition to be anybody's drummer." Bill Avis says, "Levon didn't say nothing to no one except Robbie. We got up in the morning and Levon was gone… if you ask me, Levon left because of Albert Grossman.

Levon says he went to Mexico., lived on the beach and spent all his money. Then he went to Florida, then took a drive-away Lincoln to New Orleans. He played amateur nights for the money,. worked as a busboy then signed up as a deckhand. (All on TWOF p 142).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:54:40 CEST 2015 from (75.168.190.129)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: What are we here for

I found out about this guestbook about 2003 and checked in regularly (and posted seldom) until 4 or 5 years ago, when I stopped coming here, partly because of big changes in my life and partly because there didn't seem to be much left to say about The Band anyway. Recent posts have shown that there is a lot more to be said, at least about events in 1965.

I was present at Bob Dylan's concert at the Minneapolis Auditorium on Nov. 5, 1965, but have nothing of value to historical research. I was 14 years old, and it would be many years before I ever heard of the Hawks. But I do have the ticket stub. And some vivid memories.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:45:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Country Rock with Ian & Sylvia.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:45:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, Mickey Jones joined for the Hawaii-Australia-Europe portion of the tour.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:44:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Info was from Levon's "The wheel's On Fire."


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:42:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Phew! I've reached an age where I have to go and check and should stop relying on memory. Levon mentions playing Washington DC, flying (?) back to NYC, staying at the Gramercy Park Hotel, and telling Robbie late that night that he was leaving. I remember thinking about that moment while staying at the then very run down Gramercy Park Hotel myself in the mid-90s. The Washington DC concert is listed as 28 November 1965 in John Bauldie's "Oh, No! Not Another Bob Dylan Book!' So, yes, end of November … so 5 or 6 weeks after the releae of the ATCO single.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:33:20 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: JT / Levon

Jerry. To the best of my knowledge Levon had just left before the Toronto Concerts. The story was he left for New Orleans and the Gulf to work on the oil rigs. I'm going to call Bill Avis. He will know. He was road manager at the time.It was too early for Mickey Jones. Perhaps Sandy Konikoff? In the end Robbie or Garth would know; as the Toronto shows were very important to the Crackers/Hawks.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:32:40 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mickey Jones did himself proud in Dylan's band.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:12:09 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965 Dylan and Hawks shows: Who played drums when?(Helm, Greig, Jones?)

There is some possible (mis)information somewhere. Howard Sounes in his book on Dylan notes that Levon Helm left the Hawks and the tour at the end of November (not October as is suggested earlier today) and went to working on an oil rig in New Mexico??? (sounds a little unusual to me) (Where did that piece of information come from?). So can anyone verify with good evidence exactly when Levon Helm left? Also, can we have a listing of all the known shows of 1965 and who played drums during those shows (does anyone know and be willing to document these?).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 23:00:26 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Eye Pads

I think Mike Nomad should be impeached.......for using an eye-pad in the first place.........I guess we'll have to have a plan destined meeting on it.......-:)


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:53:58 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Pipe. As in smoke it up to experience. Dead Flowers so to speak.

Mike, Pete..... my suggestion is that Pete hopefully really meant to type *I'm*, not *we're*........*The recent interchanges are a restoration of what I"m here for.* And really didn't mean to imply he sets policy for the GB or everyone.

Ben, the first concert I attended was in early fall 1972, Kingfish opening for Frank Zappa & the Mothers at Brooklyn College. Second row, left, in front of some speakers. Riders, the first few songs i remember learning on guitar were from the Riders first album. Louisiana Lady, Henry, Portland Woman ....Went from flatpicking to fingerpicking right away. My first books were a Traum or Traum Brothers flatpicking book, and then the Riders first album sheet music book.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:33:09 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Excuse the typos. This iPad has a mind of its own. I didn't mean to demean . . . is what I meant to say. I also misspelled "make."


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:29:06 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

It IS good, Peter, and the current discussion interests me greatly since I'm a particular fan of the pre-1965 Hawks, but let's not say THIS is what this page is supposed to be for. (Excuse the end preposition.) I apologize for calling it an arrogant statement, and I did to mean to demean you personally. But no one gave you the right either to msake that profound judgment.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 22:19:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, I'm fond of a bit of humor too and asides and sport and all sorts of peripheral stuff that keeps a community going. Which is why I don't start calling people I've never met "arrogant." Yes, let's have fun, but people are getting seriously involved tracing Band-related stuff. Is this good or not? David P is back. Ian W is seeking info. It all sounds good to me. I really don't want to descend to the levels that turn people off, Mike. Let's not go there!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:52:32 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomaf

Subject: " . . . .what we're here for . . . "

Really? It is arrogance of this sort, Mr. V, that has turned several previous posters against you. Yes, even those from London, Ontario, which you singled out recently. Myself, I prefer a little diversity on this page, a little more live-and-let-live. It's great to have David P back, certainly, but we all don't have to strive for the completion of a research thesis as a goal. A little silliness is fine, too.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:42:38 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I think it unfair to call Mickey Jones "a second rate player." His work with Trini Lopez (which I still play) and Johnny Rivers meant he was not only a highly rated drummer, but as it turned out, the best-paid Hawk. Dylan specifically wanted him. Yes, I think Levon a better drummer, but for the 1966 tour, Mickey was perfect.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:39:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The recent interchanges are a restoration of what we're here for.

OK, so we suspect The Stones I Throw was released either 15th or 23rd October (give or take a day or two). We know Levon quit in Washington DC circa October 30th. The big surprise, as Levon was the official Musician Union "leader" is that if he had wanted to promote "The Stones" the simplest way was hightail it to Toronto, take a band off Ronnie, and legitimately support the single as Levon & The Hawks with four new guys. This was not just unprecedented in 1965, it was standard practice. Ask The Kingsmen, The McCoys or whoever. But Levon did NOT do that. He went and worked on an oil rig.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:35:39 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

With regard to the Crackers billing, I was confusing the 1965 Dylan/Hawks concert at Carnegie Hall with the 1968 appearance there at the Woody Guthrie tribute.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:24:39 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG-Dylan 65-Berkeley

Most grateful to you for posting link to this concert.Most enjoyable.As for Levon leaving,best not,IMHO,to judge his reasoning harshly.Some of us are sensitive where others aren't.That's ok when viewed without judgement and with compassion.Mickey Jones-a second rate drummer who filled a hole-far from being a good player.Mickey always seemed like a very decent guy,but musically he was no Levon Helm.BTW,just back from Woodstock where the Mrs. and I visited with Levon and Rick.As my wife was saying a prayer at Levon's grave a butterfly circled both my legs,each 3 times,then disappeared after my wife completed saying her prayer.We were,once again,reminded how the care for Levon's resting place is superb.Sadly,Rick,Eli & Elizabeth lie together with little care or attention.Heck,if the family wanted proper headstones I'd gladly help them out.It just drives us nuts-like Levon Rick was a local hero and he merits respect in death that sadly was not given to him sufficiently while alive.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:09:32 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Crackers

Capital Records Contract No. 4325
Los Angeles, California
Date: February 1, 1968

The agreement was between Capitol Records, Inc. and Groscourt Productions, Inc. (Albert Grossman's management company which at the time included partner John Court) "for the exclusive personal endeavors of Levon Helm, Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson, performing as 'The Crackers' (herein sometimes called the 'Artists') in connection with the production of records..."

A copy of the contract was filed as an exhibit to court documents in 2009 in connection with Levon's lawsuit over the use of "The Weight" in advertising for Cingular Wireless.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 21:05:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bob McAdorey and Bob Dylan

Ian W: There is a photo on line (google) with Bob McAdorey (CHUM 1050 Toronto) speaking to Bob Dylan. This apparently happened at the Friar's Tavern before the Massey Hall concerts ( a few days before??). I recognized Bob McAdorey from the photo as I had been aware of him at this time. So, I don't think this happened on the radio but rather perhaps at the Friar's as a one to one conversation. What was said.... who knows.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:56:43 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto and the Guthrie Tribute show

Thanks for all the follow up. Just a couple of quick responses. Dylan in Toronto:

I have the BILLBOARD report. I think there was one in VARIETY as well. There was a much longer article in a Toronto newspaper, including the interview conducted by Robert Fulford (?). I have a poor quality photocopy of the latter but it doesn't show the layout of the article or give any indication as to its prominence.

If anyone can confirm that Dylan was interviewed on/by CHUM at that time, I'd be pleased to know. A broadcast date would be wonderful.

Woody Guthrie Tribute: I was referring to contemporary documents not to subsequent reports and was just saying that I could find nothing contemporary that mentioned "The Crackers" by that name.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:19:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

TRIBUTE TO WOODY GUTHRIE: BOB DYLAN & THE CRACKERS, “I AIN’T GOT NO HOME”

"January 20, 1968: Seventeen months after Dylan’s motorcycle mix-up outside of Woodstock, the Bard returned—flanked by The Crackers—for the Woody Guthrie Memorial Concert, holding court inside the dusty walls of New York City’s Carnegie Hall. In the course of their thirteen minute set, Dylan and The Crackers churn out a trio of Guthrie numbers: “I Ain’t Got No Home,” “Dear Mrs. Roosevelt” and “Grand Coulee Dam.” The thoroughbred of the set, “I Ain’t Got No Home” reads as a jubilant country jam that’s bound for glory – the audience receives a hellacious jolt during the chorus, joining all together like a fleet of drunken revelers, sitting in at an after hours hootenanny. A preliminary peek into Dylan and The Band’s musical escapades, fermenting upstate in a Woodstock basement."

Hi Bill M....Really? Levon left The Hawks because of TSIT....Which one is it Bill? Translation Studies for Information Technologies or for Technical Service Intelligence or for Total Ship Integration Team (US Navy) or for Technology Services Integration Testing (Sprint). Really? What are your sources? ;-D

Hi sail on sailor......Yup....I've been to their home for a couple of weekends and they even met imagezulu for lunch in my hood. We still keep in touch but find it difficult at the moment to connect again.....We did go to one of Levon's Tributes because of the Weber Brothers. Northern Girl finally got to see why I enjoy them so much live! Btw, they have a great photo of Garth framed. They enjoyed meeting you and I will be dropping by the next time I'm out west young man. Just remember I still ain't gonna work on your boat....no I ain't gonna work on your boat....I ain't gonna work on your boat no more, I aint gonna work on your boat no more. Well, I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you t o be just like them, they say sing while you slave and I just get bored. Noooooo......I ain't gonna work on Westie's boat no more. ;-D

Hi Kevin. I forgot Julie was a fan of Zep but I did not forget her! She almost made it to Rick Danko's Tribute in Simcoe. Even my partner came but was not a happy camper......Yiiiikes.....in most cases better to leave him at home unless Miles or Muddy and many obscure blues artists reappear. Anyway, you should try and contact her....maybe Facebook?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 20:00:26 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The introduction to Down In The Flood doc - LINKED - is notable for some nice shots - nothing new, but a good look at RR's tele.

All we need is Al Edge and this party is going to outer space ! NB being back would be great as well. Thought of Julie with Jimmy P being in town....thanks BEG.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:23:49 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

After another BILLBOARD search I found the following from the Oct. 2, 1965 issue:

"TORONTO -- Bob Dylan made an un-publicized incognito visit to Toronto in mid-September to work in a few rehearsals with Levon and the Hawks. The Canadian group, headed by ex-Arkansas boy Levon Helm is accompanying Dylan on his U.S. and Canadian tour this fall, and on to Europe the first of the year. CHUM deejay Bob McAdorey copped a near-exclusive on Dylan's top secret visit. Dylan appears in concert at Massey Hall in Toronto Nov. 14 and 15...Levon and the Hawks have a single upcoming on the Atlantic label, "Little Liza Jane," and a number by Hawk guitarist Robbie Robertson."

I'm guessing Levon would have said, "There ain't no such thing as an ex-Arkansas boy!"


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:18:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Brown Eyes

Hello Brown Eyes. Do you ever see Chris & Theresa Cosgray any more? That's (Northern Buoy) to most everyone else.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:04:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The next Bootleg Series

This is what ISIS said:

"I’ve heard from several sources that the next “Bootleg Series” release will be a little different from the norm and that you may need to start saving for it now. Although there is no official confirmation of the rumour, we are hearing that there might be a 2-CD release, a 6-CD Box set, and a huge boxed release covering all of the studio sessions from 1965 and 1966. There is talk that this release might run to 18 discs!!! If only studio material is to be included, then 18 discs seems a lot. ISIS tends not to speculate too much on these releases but we have heard this from three sources, all of which are usually reliable. The release date is anticipated as being October 2015. This release may mean that there will not be a “Copyright Protection” release this year. Only time will tell…"


Entered at Wed Jul 22 19:04:07 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.16)

Posted by:

Bill M

Iann W: As I've been saying here for years (including just a few days ago), TSIT is exactly why Levon left (or so I believe).


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:56:26 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Toronto '65

John D, I thought Levon bailed out after Toronto, in fact after the Washington DC show on 28 November./n The Steen article was accompanied by at least one backstage colour photo of Dylan. Quite why McLEAN'S and the STAR WEEKLY should run pieces on Dylan in early 1966, referring back to his November 65 visit, is doubtless lost in the mists of time and the occasionally haphazard ways of journalism, I guess.

Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York,1 October 1965

1. She Belongs To Me

2. To Ramona

3. Gates Of Eden

4. Mr. Tambourine Man

5. Love Minus Zero/No Limit

6. Desolation Row

7. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue\

8. Maggie's Farm

9. I Don't Believe You

10. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?

11. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

12. Tombstone Blues

13. It Ain't Me, Babe

14. Positively 4th Street

15. Ballad Of A Thin Man

16. Like A Rolling Stone

David P, I don't recall "The Crackers" being used in print. The advert in the NEW YORK POST didn't name them and nor did "BRAVO Vol.VII, Number 5 CH", the "CH" referring to Carnegie Hall, and this was seemingly used as the concert programme booklet. I have photocopies of different versions of the running order as the performers and songs were juggled a bit, apparently given to journalists who were present and maybe the final version to audience members; "Bob Dylan" is there with his three songs just before the intermission but no mention of The Crackers", I'm afraid. I also have a copy of the narration, a sort of script with the names of songs and performers shown in the appropriate place; again, no mention of The Crackers. I can't locate my copy of the folio songbook from the concert but I don't think The Crackers are there, though maybe the individual members were named. None of that says that The Crackers weren't mentioned and I suspect that Al Grossman held some sway over the proceedings and weren't they signing with Capitol as The Crackers around this time or something?.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:23:36 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

All this talk of The Hawks had me checking out the Down In The Flood documentary.....surprisingly enjoyable - for me anyhow.

LINKED: Part 2 which covers a lot of the ground being discussed.

Very nice to see David P back....and brown eyed girl!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:13:18 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Details on the concert posters pictured above, all original, all printed before the event for the sole purpose of selling tickets: Bob Dylan in concert at Ann Arbor High School in Ann Arbor, Michigan on Sept. 19, 1964; Bob Dylan in a Folk Music Concert at the San Jose Civic Auditorium in San Jose, CA on Nov. 25, 1964; Bob Dylan in concert (with The Hawks, who are not mentioned) in Buffalo, New York on Nov. 19, 1965; and Bob Dylan in concert (also with The Hawks) in Richmond, Virginia on Feb. 11, 1966."

Hey Nomadic Mike.....We're waiting...... :-D Ok....Peace out!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 18:00:30 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Hawks November of '65 Massey Hall

Ian W, I saw Dylan & The Hawks; in November of 1965. Apparently Levon had just left the group a few weeks before coming to Toronto. I had front row seats and that was lucky because I bought them through mail order. BTW. The Hawks did NOT appear alone on stage. It was Bob; with his acoustic guitar first. Then intermission at which time he returned with The Hawks backing him up. There was a lot of booing; in the second act; but I didn't care. My best friend and I were just thrilled to be there. And yes they were called a third rate rock and roll band by one writer.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 17:33:42 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

PSB: Thanks for the correction on the "So Many Roads" recording date. Did it take place before Bloomfield joined the Paul Butterfield Blues Band? Was Dylan present in the studio during the session? With regard to Dylan's appearance at the Woody Guthrie tribute in Carnegie Hall, some sources say the Hawks were billed/announced as the Crackers.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 17:03:58 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Blood On The Tracks Project was at the Merkin Concert Hall in NYC. I remembered the year 2004 as it was the year my Mom passed. My friend who lived in the West Village knew I had to be in NYC. I was grieving but did my best to be in the moment and feeeeel the music. Thanks to Crabgrass we had front row seats for the Blood On The Tracks Project! The first time I saw Buddy Cage was at The Bottom Line (I thought.....I could have seen Louuuuu here as well!) with Garth Hudson for TLW Tribute. I enjoyed myself so much that night. Anyway, the second time I met Buddy Cage at the Merkin Centre. I still remember his very young wife's Bob Marley jacket and how she was so excited to see if my memory serves me well......Vernon Reid.

The same week I was in NYC Crabby and I also saw Ollabelle in NJ. At one point Amy was on the drums before the band started playing at an outdoor venue and I was about to take a photo and then for some reason.....shoot.....I didn't. I did however meet her as Crabby seemed to know all of the band members. Of course Glen and I had the Canadian connection.

During this week I also visited a new friend who I had met at Garland Jeffreys' 60th Birthday Party at Hugh's Room in NYC. I took the train to NJ and we drove to a place by the border of Philly. She couldn't get over how I wasn't interested in shopping. I was really down but didn't want to share how I was really feeling as she was a new friend.....Without the music I was down, down, down.......I went to see my Naturopathic physician for help as I knew I wasn't coping well as it was summer time and I wasn't working so no distractions.......She told me that her husband was in touch with Robbie Robertson and that he gave Myron Zabol permission to include some of Robbie's lyrics in his photo book.....People Of The Dancing Sky. When I met Robbie for the second time at Indigo Bookstore he signed a copy of this book as I have Myron's signature as well. It didn't seem Bowman knew about this book as he immediately said something to Robbie about it. Btw, small world as when I visited Habana, Cuba; I met someone who knew Rob Bowman from High-School and told me that even then he probably had about a thousand records.

Hmmmm.....I guess today I'll write a poem about Manic Wednesday....inspired by the Bangles' Manic Monday.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:32:19 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Illawarra District, Australia, June 22, 2010.
Midwayer Chief Bzutu (ABC-22).
Subject: “The Loss of Innocence – The Stones We Throw.”
Received by George Barnard.

Note: 1965, Levon and the Hawks – The Stones I throw will free all men …


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:30:57 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: RR Biography

It occurs to me that as Robbie Robertson writes his biography, first hand descriptions of all that occurred from mid-1965 to the end of 1966 (lots of detail) would add a great deal to what was one of the seminal periods in the evolution of popular music following the rise of the Beatles and the Stones. Dylan was right up there by this time but the contribution of LATH cannot be underestimated. I look forward to his book. From what I know, he has always tried to be detailed and direct and so this will be a welcome expansion of what (comparatively little so far) is known. I will repeat that my dad always found Robbie to be professional and what he called 'a nice person' who he enjoyed speaking to at the Concord.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:13:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Interviewer: Margaret Steen
Interview Date: November 15 or 16, 1965 Publication: The Toronto Star Weekly
Publication Date: January 29, 1966

Hey Nomadic Mike! When are you going to share your recollections of seeing Levon and The Hawks????!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:12:55 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I saw several of the gene Clark "Byrds"shows with Rick, Blondie, York, Clarke, & sometimes Manuel. Craig Harris was at some. As part of the Burritos band that opened, including Rick Roberts, Sneaky Pete...... Rick's connection to & friendship with Gene goes back much further though, they shared an apartment when the Hawks first came to NYC.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:04:36 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Toronto appreciated 'THE STONES I THROW'

Peter Stone Brown: Though the song did not chart in many places, 'The Stones I Throw" did chart locally in Toronto, reaching #22 on the CHUM Chart (competing with you know who's from the UK). It was appreciated by some but certainly did not do what was hoped. Also, as many have already said, with Dylan and the tour, there was no real interest in it comparatively.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:04:25 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: There Was Something Happening Here

At the time Dylan began touring with the Hawks, for most of us outside of Canada there was a mystery surrounding the guys backing him. Here in Atlanta, their previous work with Ronnie Hawkins and solo didn't generate radio airplay. As I was already following John Hammond, when I bought the "So Many Roads" LP shortly after it was released, it was the first time I became aware of Mark Levon Helm, Jaime R. Robertson and Eric Hudson by name.

I double-checked the date that I first saw Dylan with the Hawks at the Atlanta Municipal Auditorium and it was Oct. 9, 1965, coinciding with the date of that BILLBOARD report I mentioned. And yes, Levon was still on board when they played here.

In June 1966 I bought the Dylan 45 single of "I Want You," b/w the live version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," recorded the previous month in Liverpool with the Hawks. I can say that I just about wore out both sides of that single! As someone who was trying to develop skills on guitar, I was completely amazed by Robbie's guitar style. Needless to say, that "So Many Roads" LP spent a lot of time on my turntable back then.

With regard to Michael Bloomfield switching to piano on those sessions -- While he was still developing as a guitarist at the time, it's possible that he wasn't intimidated by Robbie's playing, but instead realized that his agressive approach to playing guitar was too similar to that of Robbie, and felt that another prominent guitar would get in the way.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:03:20 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: The Talented Ms. Angelina

Nice find on that Jim Finch/Fayetteville, Ark., recollection link, Angie. That's a fantastic search engine that you use. It's like grabbing a tiny bit of obscure fluff in this massive digital stew. I'm impressed.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 16:00:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: ticket stub

I did NOT (sadly) keep my ticket stub. I know there is absolutely no mention of Levon and the Hawks performing alone anywhere. I looked around prior to writing my entry a few minutes ago.

If anyone has set lists from the 1965 concerts, they should be entered here. There is a woeful lack of set lists for these shows. Is that Carnegie Hall setlist available? I am asking because I don't know.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:55:00 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks - Toronto

I've just recently had to dig out the Toronto reviews for a friend.

The GLOBE & MAIL says: "the reticent Mr Dylan comes to the front and centre with the Hawks for the second half" and, earlier in the report when mentioning those who walked out, that "Dylan's voice drifted out from inside, as Levon and his hawks thumped out their backing".

The DAILY STAR twice called Levon and the Hawks "a third-rate Yonge St. rock 'n' roll band".

Both reports are on the first concert at Massey hall and neither mentioned them performing without Dylan. Indeed, what comes across is a rather hostile audience and a hostile press reaction. Perhaps it was this reaction in Toronto, their base (?), that was another factor to turn Levon against continuing with Dylan.

There was a later report in MACLEAN'S and I don't recall which show was being covered but, again, I can recall no mention of the Hawks performing without Dylan.

Did you keep your ticket stub by by chance?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:55:16 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Massey Hall Turns 120 (2014)
You Never Forget Your First Time at Massey Hall

"My first time seeing a concert in Massey Hall, I was in the front row of the gallery overlooking the stage as Bob Dylan did the first half solo-acoustic, with a guitar and wire harmonica holder around his neck; and the 2nd half he came out with a local band called Levon and the Hawks, and sang the songs I came to hear – “Positively 4th Street,” “Like a Rolling Stone.” The year was 1965."

Article included (Jeers, Cheers For Dylan).....JD also shared his first time....Article states Dylan also sang, "Gates Of Eden", "Desolation Row" and "Hey Mr. Tambourine Man", "She Belongs To Me", "Ballad Of A Thin Man".


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:48:53 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: So Many Roads sessions and other stuff

David, nice to see you here. The So Many Roads sessions took place in 1964, the album came out in '65. The sessions for "I Can Tell," which eventually was released on Atlantic though it was recorded for Redbird took place in '65, but the album wasn't released until '67.

The real question about "The Stones That I Throw" is was Robbie trying to write some sort of folk rock protest song to capitalize on folk rock hitting the charts. Either way it was a flop, and probably whatever contract they had was based on how well the single did.

Ian, Levon & the Hawks were never mentioned in ads for Dylan concerts. The only time I ever saw them mentioned was in the program book to the Carnegie Hall show. I didn't attend the show, but a friend of mine had it, and it listed Levon and the Hawks as well as the instruments. In fact, it's how I found out who the rest of the Hawks were and what they played.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 15:34:12 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones I Throw - Massey Hall?

Can anyone confirm what I think I remember? - Nov. 15, 1965, Massey Hall, Toronto. (I was in the audience). After Dylan's solo group of songs,, Levon and The Hawks come onto the stage WITHOUT BOB DYLAN and perform 'The Stones I Throw". Dylan comes on afterwards and they do the rest of the second half of the show. There is no mention of this in any of the reviews on line. But that is my recollection, though hazy. John D. saw the other show at Massey Hall and I believe he said that 'The Stones I Throw' was not performed on that night. There is no record of any set list for these shows. Can anyone else confirm or comment who was there? (Unfortunately, the person I went with (a high school friend) to this show is no longer alive). Maybe Sebastian can ask his dad if he remembers or maybe Garth recalls. I don't know if it was ever played live in concert anywhere else at any time. Also, if anyone does have the set list, can they please post it for this Nov. 15, 1965 show. (It never hurts to ask). Thank you.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:56:11 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Around this time, Finch’s roommate burned down their house while cleaning his MG carburetor, so he moved into the Iris Motel for $18 a week. He noticed his next door neighbors were weird characters, so he introduced himself. They were Garth Hudson, Rick Danko and Richard Manuel of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, who later became the Band. The Hawks would regularly stay in Fayetteville and would make the Iris Motel their home base while touring the area, including Oklahoma and Texas, in the earliest days of the Band. When Finch met them, they didn't have a car and were stuck there. Finch had a tri-power 1957 Pontiac and so they became fast friends and regularly went to the Rockwood Club, a legendary rock ‘n’ roll joint in Fayetteville that was owned by Hawkins.

After the club closed for the night, Finch would drive them there and open a keg. He sat in on drums with Danko, Manuel, and Hudson and jammed until the wee hours. Finch's late nights at the Rockwood with the Hawks happened a handful of times and he became a gopher for group as they emerged into the Band, regularly running errands and hanging out when they were in town. A short time later, of course, they became Bob Dylan's backing band on his first electric tour."

Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks in El Dorado, Ark. Photo


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:18:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day.....My favourite Gene Clark song with Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Blondie Chaplin.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:14:40 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Were the Hawks mentioned in Dylan concert adverts?

David, from the adverts I've seen, the answer is "No" for the most part. Some simply said "BOB DYLAN", a few "BOB DYLAN IN PERSON" and some "AN EVENING WITH BOB DYLAN". There was one that I can recall that mentioned "LEVON & THE HAWKS" in smaller print below "BOB DYLAN" but that, strangely, was for the Copenhagen concert on 1 May 1966 when Levon wasn't even there. How that came about is a bit of a mystery.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:06:41 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From Soundboard. Nothing but sounds.....

"Bob Dylan in concert @ the Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley, CA December 4th, 1965.
One of the first shows with the Hawks as the backing band. The Hawks later became known as The Band. Here is Bob in all of his controversial electric glory."

As Garth Hudson said in a video I taped during his time at our TVO studio regarding their time with Dylan....."He took us from the bars to the stars."

In one article I recently read....Robbie saw their time together as an......OPPORTUNITY. They even helped Robbie with his guitar playing.....He had to keep an eye on them throwing things at any given moment....so....He had to play more and more without looking at his hands while playing. Also I think Robbie learned more from Bob about songwriting as he had more time with him personally and was already a songwriter himself.

I think Levon couldn't stand being a back-up band once again as now they were Levon and The Hawks....and I've always been very surprised that audiences could get under his skin the way they did. All the other members just went with the flow.

By Levon leaving.....opened room for Mickey Jones who was a very different type of drummer whose playing was more compatible with trying to drown out the booooooooos.

Also by being in Dylan's creative presence and sphere.....everyone probably soaked up whatever Bob was willing to share at the time.......as he soaked up the music the Hawks were able to bring to the table so it was a win-win situation for all.......

Hi Peter. Noooooo.......My post on Jimmy Page was for Kevin J. I was never a fan of Zep although one of my first 45's was "Whole Lotta Love" along with "Hey Jude" which I played on my small record player similar to the one I previously posted on the card......"She may be old but she got to see all the cool bands." I sure did!
Anyway, the last time I lined up for anyone was in 1975....Cat Stevens was playing Massey Hall and I was in school and lined up for awhile and still no luck as the tickets ran out!!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 14:05:29 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff, I am very familiar with The New Riders. I have quite a bit of their catalog on cd. I think they were a good country rock/bar band.

In terms of country rock, I would rate The Byrds, Dillard and Clark, Flying Burrito Brothers and Rick Nelson and the Stone Canyon Band higher than the New Riders. When it comes to Grateful Dead off-shoots, I would probably rate Kingfish a bit higher than the New Riders.

I am a big Gene Clark fan. From his work with the Byrds to his work with Carla Olson, I think he was a criminally underrated artist. The fist Dillard and Clark album, 'Fantatsic Expedition' is a classic. He also has ties to Rick and Richard as they toured with Gene as part of a 20th anniversary Byrds reunion tour.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 12:47:35 CEST 2015 from (70.193.139.93)

Posted by:

David P

Taking a backseat to work with Dylan ultimately did gain the Hawks wide exposure. But, at the time, was there any promotional effort mentioning that Dylan was backed by "ATCO recording artists Levon and the Hawks"!


Entered at Wed Jul 22 12:09:26 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks in 1965-66

Actually, ISIS did not give a number for the CDs in the very big "collectors" box set but I have heard 18 CDs. ISIS has been more cautious than I have - and probably rightly so.

Yes, it seems strange that Levon and the Hawks should record a single and that their record company should release it just at the time when they were not available to promote it. Could it be that Levon left the tour in part because he saw the Atlantic single as the chance for Levon and the Hawks to rise (as it were) and the chance was blown now they were contracted to Dylan?


Entered at Wed Jul 22 11:48:28 CEST 2015 from (70.193.139.93)

Posted by:

David P

That Oct. '65 BILLBOARD blurb failed to mention that Levon and the Hawks were working with Dylan. So, at the same time they were releasing their ATCO single, they were off on the Dylan tour, rather than doing any gigs by themselves to promote their single.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 11:11:21 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and Hawks - studio work 1965-1966

Just to let you know - ISIS (a well established Dylan fanzine for which I used to provide the news service and now write the occasional article) has reported that the next of Dylan's BOOTLEG SERIES will cover his studio work in 1965-1966.

They say that there will be:

(1) a 2 CD set, presumably for young 'uns to buy their Dads for Christmas - I parody the thinking of record company marketing people and do not intend to offend anyone reading this

(2) a 6 CD set - for average collectors (the "civilians" ?)

and

(3) an 18-CD set - for the hard core completists amongst us.

An 18-CD set will presumably include some false starts and some studio banter, as well as all the complete takes.

Each year for the last 3 years, Dylan/Sony have been releasing a "Copyright (protection) Collection" to prevent legal release by other companies (what some call, incorrectly IMHO, "grey market" releases). The quantities released have been so small that I doubt "releases" is really the right word. I suspect that 1965 was too big a prospect for such a limited release, so they decided to make some money from it.\ From my own experience working with the ISIS folk, they tend to be cautious about what they say - even though pressured by the speed of the internet, where every rumour, however vague, is magnified enormously. I can only say that, if ISIS has run the story, then it is more likely to be right than wrong.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 10:52:37 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO - Atlantic session

Thanks, Peter.

Actually, I should correct one thing I said. 24 Sep 65 was a Friday, not a Saturday. I think my reaction to the incorrect "25 September" was still in my mind when I wrote that.

As for Dylan, the session sheets, which some call tape logs, are headed "Tape Identification Data". I'm pretty certain that the way it worked was that, once the session was over, someone (the second engineer ?)took the reel of tape aside, played it and completed the T.I.D. sheet based on the slating of the songs. Some sessions used more than one reel of tape and it looks as though they ran more than tape machine (as a sort of back up), so one session could end with several reels of tape and thus several tape boxes, each with its own T.I.D. sheet. Sometimes, recording took place over several days, so you could have a fair number of tape boxes, with a fair number of T.I.D. sheets. Sometimes, the producer failed to slate a take (or the musicians started before he had a chance to do so). Sometimes, the producer miscalled the take number. Some songs were attempted on different days, not always with the same reference number. Sometimes, the recording process was stopped while equipment was checked and/or re-set. The process used by Columbia was thorough but there was scope for human error, too.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 08:28:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Archaeology: old stones thrown

Well, ACE’s date is physically impossible then. At the top it does say “Recording Date.” It’s not a 5/4/65 versus 4/5/65 confusion. Ace say “Tape transcriptions by Zal Schreibner, Atlantic Studios” and “Thanks to Atlantic Tape Library Staff” supporting their claim to get back to Masters where possible. But as we know from The Telegraph’s Dylan archaeology, even photos of tape boxes might not reveal the true events. Ace might enlighten you, but the CD is 16 years old. Notes by Paolo Hewitt.

I wondered about release date (not going to be Saturday) and chart entry date, but Ace are clear in their top header. Recording date.

I went to ATCO 45 Discography. The record is ATCO 6383. “45.Cat.Com” give a release date of October 1965, which we knew. The UK Atlantic release date is given with the demo on 45,cat … 26 November 1965. I now want a copy of the French release with its nice sleeve!

I was looking for well known discs around it. 6384 and 6385 are Millie Small, then Chris Andrews’ Yesterday Man, so licensed in, which tells us nothing. However 6381 is Sonny & Cher’s ‘But You’re Mine’ / ‘Hello.’ Incidentally, a #8 Canadian hit … so also its most successful chart. It entered the US Top 40 on 23 October 1965. After three Top 20 hits in 1965, I’d guess it entered the Top 40 after one week. Also, at a guess, it would have been released either the same week or one week away. I thought a recording date would be of some relevance but didn’t find it.

As so often, you get stalled by the lack of published US Complete Top 30s Week by Week, or the equivalent of the UK Single File with dates.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 04:20:26 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Geez Ben, I'm getting old faster than a speeding bullet. "No Other" was the name of that masterpiece album i was thinking of. "Silver Raven" was one of the tracks.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 02:24:20 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.11)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Good evening Ben. Neither my comment to you before, or this one, is a rebuttal, as you have stated. You seemed interested in the Riders. So, my thought was you'd welcome more & accurate information and might have googled for more if i pointed you in the right direction. This version of The Riders has been together for at least ten years. In fact, since they started in the very late 60s, the Riders only been down about 10 or 11 years total. Dawson & Nelson kept the band going all along. Then Nelson dropped out for a while. After Dawson (RIP)finally called it quits for good, a few years later, Nelson revived the band.

Regular readers here might recall that I've mentioned few times that drummer Johnny Markowski is the son of the late Thomas Jefferson Kaye. Kaye was a frequent collaborator and producer with Gene Clark. Silver Raven was one of their masterpieces.

The Riders work hard and often. When they first got back up, i was in St Louis and they were regulars there. The East & West Coast are natural for em, when i was home in NY they were often here, playing the city, upstate, and the NE heavy. Hell, when i spent 6 months in Scottsdsale in 2010 and 11, they played Scottsdale at least once but i think twice that i recall. Former Cromatix member Michael Falzarano is also a member.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 01:30:59 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Driving Around

Check out this great summer song on the new James Maddock record.

David P, great to see your post. Miss the vinyl siding. I hope your loving the new Jason Isbell. Amazing record. Thanks always for that tip.


Entered at Wed Jul 22 00:53:12 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO etc etc etc

Wow,thanks. I go away for a few hours and I have a mound of stuff to explore when I get back but here's a quick response tbased on a quick scan of the various postings.

I will seek out a copy of the 9 Oct 65 BILLBOARD report. I think the cover date on BILLBOARD was a week after it was available on news-stands (but confirmation would be welcome). Thus, if so, then that piece of information would relate to late September 1965 or very early October 1965, which ties in, I think.

It seems that TRO was The Richmond Organization and Mr Google says it was founded by Howie Richmond.

Far be it for me to doubt the archaeology undertaken by Ace Records but, if they are suggesting 24 September for the recording session, I don't see how that would work. Dylan flew to Texas on Thursday 23 September. Gilbert Shelton (in the article in TEXAS RANGER) wrote: "It was Thursday night, the night before Dylan's Austin concert, and he and his entourage had just arrived via their private plane ... and were holed up at the Villa Capri Motor Hotel". Then there was a bit about Bobby Neuwirth trying to hire a set of drums. He goes on, "There were some members of the band running about - it's a new band, from Canada, discovered by Dylan in Montreal ...". And later again, "The bass player and I got in the car and set off in search of drums and booze". So, if the guys were in Austin on the night of the 23rd and the Austin show was the 24th and the Dallas show the 25th, how could the Ace date be right for a recording session in New York? Also, the 24th was a Saturday and I doubt many recording sessions took place at a weekend in new York back then. (I'm prepared to be wrong about that one, though).



Entered at Wed Jul 22 00:12:07 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian & JT

Ok. Here's the note I got today from Duff Roman who produced the single prior to "Stones"

"The Stones That I Throw session came after the one I did in Toronto. This one was done in New York, September 1965, produced by Henry Glover and engineered by Phil Ramone - not too shabby. The song actually hung around for a few weeks on the CHUM Chart; reaching #22 in December 1965."

That's what I got from Duff just minutes ago. Hope this sheds some light Ian.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:42:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Eddie Heller

Given what I have read about Eddie Heller, it might have been an honour in the inner circles of A&R/production etc. to have that name on your recording. Eddie Heller had apparently been around for a long time now and I would think he was also an important cog in the recording machine locally at that time. From what I have read, he had been around for about 15 years or more by that time.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:37:33 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fresh Air

Happened to come in today and have a glance here. Refreshing to see some meaningful dialogue from people who know what they speak of,........without the silly little digs and reprehensible.....bullshit.

Along with the others David it's just good to hear you are still well and above ground. The horrible things that have befallen your part of the country were put into perspective yesterday with a picture with no words........none were needed.

A black policeman helped a KKK member wearing a black t-shirt with a swastika on it. The officer held his arm and helped him up the stairs out of the heat as he was very near passing out and falling from heat exhaustion. There is a song there some where.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:30:09 CEST 2015 from (86.128.176.199)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: 50 years ago

50 years ago today number 1 in Britain was 'Mr Tambourine Man' by The Byrds. I bought it.

Nice to hear from you, David.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 22:18:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

"Supervised by Eddie Heller" is an odd credit. It suggests he switched stuff on and off, and made sure no ciggies were left burning in ashtrays at the end of the session.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:51:10 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT / Peter V: For me, the most disappointing aspect of Greil Marcus is he hasn't seen fit to soften his disgraceful slam of JH Jr in any of the several 'revised editions' of "Mystery Train". There are lots of classier and less hurtful and less race-based ways to get across the idea that you don't like the way a person sings.

David P: Nice to see you back, as others have said. However, you're quoting Hoskyns, who was borrowing from other sources, including Levon, that simply got it wrong (as we all do from time to time). The early '65 recording session in NY (produced by Henry Glover) produced the Canadian Squires record, which they surely recorded as Levon and the Hawks - but labels have their ways, don't they? Duff Roman had recorded the two Cdn Squires songs and others at a session in Toronto in late '64. Duff had recorded a couple of terrific and commercially singles with David Clayton Thomas earlier that year and I can't help but think that that's the reason the Hawks went to Duff - DCT had sung with them regularly at bars on Yonge Street (as Hawkins' second singer) even while fronting his own group, the Shays, on the teen circuit (i.e., no booze). While the appearance of Levon and the Hawks and DCT singles on ATCO the same year may have been related, it may also have been coincidental. If you have the DCT on Atco, you'll notice that the publisher is no longer Duffer (Duff's company) it is Spanka Productions, i.e., Paul Anka, another Canadian with whom Duff had made a deal to ease his (Duff's) path into the US market. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that the Anka connection helped get DCT and the Shays, wearing hockey sweaters, on Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" TV show.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:22:51 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Yes, that should have read April 1965.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 21:10:48 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

From Levon's "This Wheel's On Fire":

"We cut again in New York in early 1965 under our own name, Levon and the Hawks. Henry Glover was producing and an engineer named Phil Ramone.

In April 1905 we were back in Helena, staying at Charlie Halbert's motel. We'd been hired by the Marvell High class of '65 to play the combined junior-senior prom."

Interestingly, ATCO released a single by David Clayton Thomas and the Shays in April 1965. It featured the original song "Walk That Walk" b/w a cover of Little Richard's "Hey Hey Hey" (ATCO 45-6347), produced by Duff Roman. I beleive that the same single had been released earlier that year in Canada on the Red Leaf label. Bill M no doubt would know.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 20:31:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It seems unlikely that they signed only 15 days after making He Don't Love You … and maybe that was cut later than The Stones I Throw. But they were heavily in the news because of Dylan. He Don't Love You, is for me, the best Levon & The Hawks track.

Actually Jerry there is later John Hammond Jnr stuff that I like (solo + acoustic). I just never warmed to the vocal phrasing on the three mid-60s albums.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 20:24:08 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Heller /Atco plot thickens

And so we have "The Roar of The Greasepaint" and 'Carousel' as 2 theatrical productions with Eddie Heller's name attached to them.

What is TRO Productions (is that a short form for one of Eddie's production companies?


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:52:10 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Atco session

The following blurb appeared in the Oct. 9, 1965 issue of BILLBOARD:

"Levon and Hawks [sic], new Canadian group, have been signed by Atlantic Records. The group's first sides were cut under the supervision of Eddie Heller on behalf of the Richmond Organization."

It seems possible that the recording session took place months before the group was officially signed to the Atco deal and there was a further delay in the reporting.

Several years before, in the Feb. 10, 1962 issue, BILLBOARD reported:

"Eddie Heller, veteran disk man, angled his post of a&r chief for 20th Fox Records last week to set up his own operation. The new firm, to be known as Entertainment Unlimited, has already set up offices on West 53d Street.

One adjunct of the company will be a new label, Tribute Records. Initial single, "Space Hop," by the Astralites, has already been released. Heller noted that Entertainment Unlimited 'will also be active in film, television and theatrical production'."

Heller was most recently involved in the 20th Fox single 'Walkin Cane,' by Billy Duke, which has picked up some action. Prior to this, he was with MGM Records, where he co-produced the original cast LP 'Carnival'. Earlier he had been with RCA Victor and at one time operated his own Rainbow Records label."

At Rainbow Heller signed developing acts, many of whom later went on to success with major labels, including such groups as the Clovers and the Five Crowns (who after various personel changes evolved into The Drifters). After years of spotting talent, Heller apparently branched out into production/promotional work, arranging deals with bigger labels such as Atlantic.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:31:56 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

As one also interested in all accounts pertaining to the 1960s-era Hawks, I concur with JT's response to David P "setting the record straight" and add my own thank-you. Also great to see you "pop in."


Entered at Tue Jul 21 19:19:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mr Marcus

I heard, met and spoke to Mr. Marcus, Peter: Negativity can be a problem but he is entitled. I wonder what he would say today on reflection (maybe the same?)


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:53:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian

Ian, I've sent an email to Duff Roman who recorded some of the Hawks early material, to see what he has to say.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 18:51:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I should add that every track on "AT The Club" has an exact recording date listed. Poison Ivy- 16 July 1959, Just One Look - 5 March 1963, Looking For A Fox 10 Nov 1967, which implies access to Atlantic's files.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: No … 24 September

Sorry, Ian, very tiny print … it's actually "24 September 1965". I misread it.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: ATCO Sessions - 25 September

We should also add that ATCO was a prestige label - though in the USA it tended to be Atlantic's "non-soul / R&B" output. Bobby Darin was on ATCO, and after Levon & The Hawks, Spencer Davis Group, then the Julie Driscoll / Brian Auger This Wheel's On Fire … according to the recent MOJO 60s, they wanted "The Mighty Quinn" but Manfred Mann had had first choice. In the UK, The Stones I Throw was on full black-label Atlantic. The main white artists on there were Sonny & Cher, though the other non-American act apart from Levon & The Hawks was Byron Lee & The Ska Kings who had put out an Atlantic ska LP in 1964.

As I've mentioned before, "He Don't Love You" gets on Ace's superb "AT The Club" in the "Where it's AT" CD series of Atlantic rarities. As far as I can see the only "white" acts on there are Levon & The Hawks and Mel Torme … and he's there because "Comin' Home Baby" was a surprise crossover club hit.

Good job I just looked at that, Ian … I just see that ACE's obsessive compilers have done it again. It's dated on the rear sleeve:

A TRO Production. Supervised by Eddie Heller. 25 September 1965.

Ace claim that wherever humanely possible they source master tapes too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Delighted to see your better judgement prevailed, David. You have been much missed.

Good stuff here the last couple of days on Buddy Cage, John Hammond (At least I'm not as negative as Greil Marcus, Jerry!)


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Research with text is good

David P: Good judgement returning to set us straight. That research backed up with comments from text helps our friend, Ian W and also the rest of us who have an interest in how things went down. Though any of us are able to read these books, who remembers to do it. You've done it in the past and comment on those references here. 'Good on you!'. Thank you from me and from anyone else interested in those 1965 events leading up to the magic that followed.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff, I don't think my comments about NRPS require your rebuttal. The fact is that they were inactive for a number of years and (relatively) recently released two albums on Woodstock records. I haven't heard these albums, so I have no comment on them.


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Posted by:

David P

It sounds like y'all need some help with the Levon and The Hawks chronology. Against my better judgment I'm popping in here to add a little bit of some research I did previously on this subject.

According to Barney Hoskyns in "Across the Great Divide: The Band and America" that Atco recording session took place in "early 1965." He quotes Robbie Robertson shedding some light on that session:

"Those records were just some people trying to sign us up...We didn't know what was going on and we didn't have any control over it. They just whipped us into the studio and we had to cut a few songs in an afternoon. We just kind of feebled our way through the thing and got the hell out of there. We didn't know that end of it at all, how you've got to be able to talk back a little if you're going to do what you want to do."

Hoskyns further adds: "With the failure of the Atco singles, the despondent Hawks headed home once more to Toronto. 'We left with our tails dragging' admits Rick." Back in Toronto they played at Friar's Tavern before heading South in spring 1965 to play the Delta Supper Club in West Helena.

According to Craig Harris in "The Band: Pioneers of American Music" Levon and The Hawks also played the junior/senior prom at Marvell High School in April 1965. It was during this trip also that the "legendary" meeting & jam session with Sonny Boy Williamson took place.

Around this time Levon, Robbie and Garth also returned to New York City to play on John Hammond's "So Many Roads" sessions before Harold Kudlets got the Hawks booked for the summer gig at Tony Mart's in Somers Point, N.J. The club was on the ground floor of former hotel, so many of the acts stayed in upstairs rooms of the large building, adjacent to the traffic circle leading to the 9th Street bridge across the bay to Ocean City.

Carry on.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: John Hammond (Jr)

Not often I disagree with you, Peter. I have seen John Hammond in concert many times. I'm a huge fan of his song interpretations, both vocally and instrumentally. I eagerly await every one of his albums. His take on this song is great though different. Like Dylan in the early 60s (many 'hated' his voice and interpretations), he may be an acquired taste for some.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Jonathan Taplin added:

(Robbie)’s just a killer musician. On that record he made with John Hammond in 1964, they had Robbie playing guitar and Mike Bloomfield on piano. I mean it was obvious who was the better player then.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The "intimidated" quote is Levon in TWOF:

"John (Hammond), a scholar of the music we’d grown up on, realized the electric blues was the medium of the moment … Michael Bloomfield was there, but he was too intimidated to play in front of Robbie, who was considered the best in the land. "


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Posted by:

Peter V

Nice article, PSB. You handled the Bloomfield switch to piano much better than I did a few years ago. I think an article said that Bloomfield was intimidated by Robbie’s guitar prowess, so switched. That was the gist anyway. People had steam coming out of their ears here saying what an amazing guitarist Bloomfield was, but of course diffidence does not mean lack of playing ability, but rather a self-effacing personality confronted with a hero.

I’m not that crazy about ‘So Many Roads’ – love the backing, but not the lead vocal unfortunately. To me the big question is, how could anyone familiar with Who Do You Love? by Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks dare to recut it with the same guys? It exposes his vocal mannerisms.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I like it. I would have said Bengali Tex-Mex, but who knows who got there first? Still, my favourite non-Tex-Mex Tex-Mex is "Baby Come Back" by (Eddie Grant and) the Equals.

Nice to see attention being paid to our guys' days with Atco (and their early days with Dylan). As far as I'm concerned, the short and spotty history of "The Stones I Throw" (which is one of my very favourite Bandian records) is absolutely key to Levon's departure.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: So Many Roads revisited

Gaslight Records is a new site devoted to music that happened half a century ago. The link is to an article I wrote about John Hammond's "So Many Roads" which of course featured Mark Levon Helm, Jaime R. Robertson and Eric Hudson.


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Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: TRO not TRIO

Mea culpa! Thanks, JT and others. I was looking on-line for something to do with another subject (dating a Dylan interview from that period) when an image of the label came up but it was not in the best quality.. I should have looked at the discography herein before banging off my questions. I should probably get new glasses, too.

I was looking for something else around that period and the date of the Atco session would have helped but I have been unable to find anything that might suggest a date.

Levon and the Hawks finished their contract at Tony Mart's around the end of August 1965. Robbie and Levon went to California for Dylan's Hollywood Bowl concert on 3 September. I have a note that they travelled out there on 1 September (but can't recall the source) and Dylan held a press conference in Hollywood on 4 September. If they flew there and back with him in the venerable Lockheed Lodestar, then I guess the earliest they came back was 5 September.

The next thing for them was the Friars booking. When did it start and when did it finish? Was there time for a New York recording session between the California trip and the first Friars gig?

We know that Dylan saw them at Friars from 15 to 17 September. Why would he go up to Toronto to rehearse with them if they were due to return to New York in the days after the Friars gig but before his concerts in Texas?

We know that Dylan flew down to Texas on 23 September and that the most likely date for his return was 26 September, so there could not have been a recording session in New York on those days.

If they were back in New York at the end of September, does that mean that the Atco session took place then?



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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, the present version of The Riders been together quite along time now. The several periods without a version of the Riders were short.

Pat, I wouldn't be surprised if in real life Coach was one of those attorneys that specializes in dealing with abusive, maniupulative, control freak spouses.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: If you need cheering up …

Try the great Raghu Dixit Project (linked) … this is the band I saw on Sunday. These are really uplifting sounds!


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Buddy Cage played Yonge Street with Ronnie Hawkins briefly in the mid '60s and later turned up on Ronnie's 1968 album on the Yorkville label, the one with his hit cover of Lightfoot's "Home From The Forest". However, he's not on that album because of Hawkins but because he was part of the local clique that the in-house C&W producer at Arc Records (Yorkville's parent company), Ben Weatherby, used most of the time. So Cage is on tons and tons of awful country records, sometimes credited, mostly not. Note that he's not on all of Arc's C&W records: Bob Lucier, Daniel Lanois' steel mentor, is also on lots, as are a couple others.

Weatherby used Cage and other C&W guys to do the guide tracks and then turned proceedings over to the label's in-house rock and roll producer, the young Brian Ahern. Ben's understanding was that Ahern would overdub and wipe all the original tracks, but Ahern chose instead to build on them, adding second and third musicians on most tracks - John Till being the most notable contributor. And everybody got credited on the album.

I suspect that it was Ahern who brought Amos Garrett into the picture at Arc. Though he's not on the Hawkins LP, he is on other Arc albums, sometimes with Cage, sometimes not. I believe they were both on Anne Murray's Arc LP, produced by Ahern, and they're certainly both on her Ahern-produced "Snowbird" album on Capitol. As you know, they were also in Ian and Sylvia's Great Speckled Bird in the same period.


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Posted by:

Peter V

BEG: If you speak to Jimmy, remind him that he only seeks Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks records if Robbie Robertson is on them! (Overheard at Reading record fair standing next to him).

Sorry I missed your Otis Redding link. Great minds think alike.


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Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Buddy Cage revisted

And I forgot, "Meet Me In The Morning" which features the fuzz steel solo is on the original album. The version of "You're Big Girl Now" with Cage was released on Biograph. One very cool thing about the interview you posted makes it clear that Cage was the one who did overdubs. Certain Dylan writers assume it was organist Paul Griffin.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Buddy Cage is credited

B.E.G., Buddy Cage is credited on Blood On The Tracks unless you have the version with the different back cover which is white and not the usual color that was issued briefly. Sometimes it's a good idea to look at the cover and see what it says. The Minnesota musicians are the ones who are not credited.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rhythm J: Thanks for the reminder about that exchange. I had the record in front of me, which helped.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, thanks for posting that piece. Interesting stuff.

The New Riders were a good country rock band, they reformed several years ago and have released a few albums on Woodstock records, so that's another Band connection.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J!!!!!!! I forgot to post yesterday that Jimmy Page is at Indigo this afternoon but.........Look what takes place now!!!!!!!......wristbands are given out at 8:00 am and line-ups since last night.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

When I read A Simple Twist of Fate: Bob Dylan and the Making of Blood on the Tracks".....I had no idea that Buddy Cage played on some of the tracks but that they weren't included on the original recording.....Therefore, no credit.

He joined the third line-up of New Riders, which existed as from November 1971, and in the end played on ten of their albums and was with them for 11 years. The first album he's on is Powerglide (1972), followed by Gypsy Cowboy and Panama Red (1973), Home on the Road and Brujo (1974). On Brujo, at producer BOB JOHNSTON's request, they cut a version of Dylan's "You Angel You", and a Columbia exec and friend of Dylan"s, Ellen Bernstein, gave Dylan the album - as a result of which Cage was invited to play on the original New York sessions for Blood on the Tracks in September 1974.

Cage's account is colourful: "Ostensibly he was supposed to listen to "You Angel You", but when he heard the other things that I was playing with the Fuzz Tone, he said "Oh, is he going to be around? I"m going to be doing some more sessions in New York . . ." So. . . . I came over, but it was one of those situations where I was alone out in the studio. The studio was huge, man, and it was this cavernous feeling of "Oh God, man . . .". So, he says Phil Ramone was on the board. For Christ's sake, I mean no production credit at all. Just to do the engineering! It was like holy fuck man! This is big time! I"m sitting here, Dylan is over there, Phil is sitting here and MICK JAGGER is behind me, just being an observer. and I"m thinking "Man, this better be good!" "Then Dylan says "Uh, Phil, play him the tunes." Here was like 18 of the most incredible masterpieces of Dylan that you could hope to hear. . . . I looked at Dylan, and I looked at Ramone, and I said "What the fuck am I supposed to do with those?! They"re masterpieces, they are finished!" Dylan went "Oh, thank you man, but I would like for you to get some stuff on there." I went [sigh] "I honestly don't know where to begin." He said "Phil, play them again: play him the tunes." 18 more fucking tunes! So finally I kind of bookmarked "Meet Me in the Morning" and a couple, three more is all. "But the funny thing was, the way that I was used to recording was, I will record over everything. You start the tape and I will start and at the end of the tape I will give you two or three, four versions of it. You have extra tracks - till I burn out spiritually and then you could do whatever you want in the final mix. Dylan hated that, man. I did one take, then two takes, then I"m going to offer one more.

Then I did like a third take and then there was like this silence. The red light would go off, end of the song, and I was sitting there, and all fucking alone: you had to see this place. . . . You could barely see through the glass: you could just see Ramone . . . with his head in his Hand s. Finally . . . Dylan . . . walks out and . . . sticks his boot tips under my pedal board and he says "The first six verses are singing! You don't play! The last verse is playing! You play!" Then he turns around and walks out. "I was stunned. . . . I looked through the glass and I saw Phil and them go like this [waves his Hand in the air] . Like, there he goes again, right? Just in that split second the old punk ass came out. Normally it wouldn"t, but just in that situation I said, Fuck you, Jack. I deserve to be here you little son of a bitch. . . . I knew what he wanted, and so Phil hit the foldback and he said "Buddy, do you want to practice one out?" I said "No, hit the tape." . . . the little red light comes on and I"m thinking you little motherfucker, you"re not getting away with this. . . . "I just played it just like he wanted it, I took the direction and stuff like that.

Then when it came out to the end, I played the end in one take and I had the picks off and the bar down before the red light was off. I was walking out of the room, and I"m walking hard man, and I pushed open the fucking door and Dylan is sitting back in the control room and he leaned back and said "Hah!" . . . Dylan says to Phil "Play it man, it was great!" . . . after the playback . . . I said "Bob, that was the toughest three and half minutes of my life. . . . Not playing it but sitting here listening to it with you." He said "Can you go out and do some more?"" So Cage overdubbed steel guitar onto "Call Letter Blues" (released in 1991 on Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3), the backing track which was re-used for the released track "Meet Me in the Morning"; and onto "You"re a Big Girl Now".

He played too on the session of September 18, when Dylan made a number of attempts at "Buckets of Rain", none of which have circulated. Cage resumed life with the New Riders of the Purple Sage, whose next album, Oh What a Mighty Time (1975), the last of their Columbia albums, included "Farewell Angelina". After that they switched to MCA and in 1978 Cage quit and coformed the San Francisco All Stars, rejoined New Riders in 1980 and left again in "82 (though they reunited for a one-off in October 2001).

He worked in a trio with RICK DANKO in 1987 and toured Australia with THE band in 1988, but he spent most of the 1980's swamped by an alcoholism far more incapacitating than the drugs habits of earlier years. Near the end of the decade he attended an AA meeting, and it saved his life. He's stayed sober ever since. "One day at a time."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!
I heard this song in NYC....Tribute to Dylan's Blood On The Tracks.
Amy was in fine form with her band mates. Buddy Cage was the only member on stage who actually played on BOTT......but as I recall......He never received credit.

Ollabelle sings Dylan's "You're a Big Girl Now"

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lost Toronto

Yonge Street/Then and Now


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Jeff, that's a shame. I always thought DP was a cool head.

Dang, I go away from the guestbook for four years or so, and look what happens!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Coach, by your reckoning you must be a simpering little coward who is terrified to post anything of note other than juvenile asides about me and hockey--oh, and hide behind a series of lame nom de plumes. We eagerly await if Jeff approves of such tactics.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Jon Finley- A Change Is Gonna Come:

Saved - Northern Blues Gospel All Stars 2002 (cd): Bill M: I think you directed me to this one and I bought it. Jon Finley et al: Cut 9: "A Change Is Gonna Come": Brilliant!


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jimmy, I don't recall who pissed him off, but David had enough of some one and jumped ship.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: TRO and Eddie again

Rhythm Jimmy: Right on ! There it is, the interchange that discusses Ian's question. This archive is a treasure trove. Unfortunately, no absolute date or studio location is noted.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: "TRO Production / Supervised by Eddie Heller"

For anyone else who may have Googled it, the relevant posts are an exchange between Bill M and David P., 16:30–17:03, Sept. 1, 2009.

Sometimes it would sure be handy to search within pages in the guestbook archive.

And whatever happened to David P.? I remember being awed by his encyclopedic knowledge.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: TRO Productions

Eddie Heller produced 3 cuts on The Band 's 'A Musical History' in 1965 including this one.

TRO can also be found as TRO Musical Productions (on line via google) and The Roar Of The Greaepaint is attributed to it (Anthony Newly's show of the 60s). Whether it is the same company is unclear to me from my reviews of the sites.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Close examination of the 45 Stones That I Throw

It is TRO Productions, not TRIO, Ian. (I checked a number of labels of this record on line) It is Eddie Heller, who had a small recording facility called Rainbow in NYC at 767 10th Ave. Date is September apparently from any research. Exact date unknown. Rainbow recorded all kinds of R&B and before that Latino acts apparently.


Entered at Tue Jul 21 01:48:49 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "The Stones I Throw" single

The Levon and the Hawks" Atco 45 "The Stones I Throw" has the words A TRIO PRODUCTION on the label under the performer name. Does anyone know anything about Trio Productions or whatever they were called?

Could it be anything to do with Albert Grossman, who managed Peter, Paul & Mary through Trio Concerts Inc?


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Enjoyable review Pete. I'm always glad to read about such a great show by an artist that I also like.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Raghut Dixit

Indian rock band from the Larmer Tree Festival linked. I only went because the programme spelled the nam as "Rangit Dixie" which I thought would be an Indian version of Hayseed Dixie. What a pleasant surprise! Great band.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 19:58:46 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Sam Cooke's Covers

Although Sam singing Bring it On Home to me is a classic, I will say that my favourite cover of that song is by the Animals. Alan Price's keyboards and Eric Burdon's vocal; indeed Bring It On Home.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 19:26:09 CEST 2015 from (68.232.68.198)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Much as I like Laverne Baker singing "Saved" (or just about anything else), I think I prefer Richard singing the song with our guys on "Cahoots". Rick singing "A Change Is Gonna Come" is, however, not in the same league as the original (or some other covers). Did the Hawks perform the song regularly back in the olden days? The local singer who 'owned' the song back in the day was, I understand, Zeke Sheppard, who was also a regular at the Concord, fronting Zeke Sheppard and the Good Shepherds; Zeke's version was said to make grown men cry. Nothing on record, unfortunately, though he did get to reprise the song as a member of Blackstone (i.e., Rhinoceros) in the early '70s. Presumably he'd also sung this song when he got up to guest with Hawkins and the Hawks occasionally. Blackstone's (and Rhinoceros's) principal singer, John Finley, also guested with Hawkins, and in fact was offered the frontman spot with Levon and the Hawks after they'd left Hawkins. He said no, choosing to stay with Jon and Lee and the Checkmates. Although John's back in Toronto now, he spent a lot of time living in LA, and in fact won an award as the best gospel singer in the USA - in the late '70s I believe. In the early years of this century I (sitting with John D)saw him deliver a killer "A Change Is Gonna Come" (with Richard Bell on organ).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Cliff

Well, here it is. Reggae superstar Jimmy Cliff at the Larmer Tree Festival. A completely brilliant show. Linked.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Test

Mack & Mabel got 9 clicks from The Band site yesterday, and 2 this morning. So 11 responders. I don't know if anyone went via Facebook … that had 98 people looking.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 18:05:42 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: A friend in need is a friend indeed.

I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever Pete links reviews on his site, I'll be sure to click a few times. (Is anyone paying him by the word? Is any one paying him by the click?)


Entered at Mon Jul 20 15:34:31 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Dylan Fest AC

Dylan Fest AC is a show taking place in Atlantic City, NJ on August 28th, the 50th anniversary of Bob Dylan's Forest Hills concert, which happens to be in my case the first time I saw Robbie and Levon play though I didn't know who they were until a couple of days later.

Why Atlantic City? Because it's a few minutes from Somers Point, NJ and Tony Mart's where Levon & The Hawks had a summer residency.

I will be performing (the acoustic) set along with The Five Believers who will do the electric set.

There will be a lot more stuff happening at this show which is presented in more detail at the link above and you can also get tickets.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pete Seeger & his (re-)actions during Bob Dylan's electrified performance at Newport 1965

Happy Healthy Monday!


Entered at Mon Jul 20 14:36:33 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....once again a 20 year old's cover of "A Change Is Gonna Come". At first I thought......You're too young and haven't lived enough to sing this song but then when the song "pops" and "marinates" and he growls with deep emotion......Some people have lived a lot in their young years......add racism to the mix and yeah......oppression may be more subtle but nevertheless still present.....
Women also had to fight for their rights as well.....and we still struggle with sexism and violence against women daily.

I remember comedian Chris Rock during one of his stand up comedy routines yelling out to the crowd.....paraphrasing......."Which one of you would like to take my place? I'm young, I'm rich, I'm famous.........I'm black.......Didn't think so!"

Good to "see" you Joan!! I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad that the songs helped make your Sunday a good one! I'm such a pedestrian (thank you Pat B) that you'll find me on the street constantly listening to music....I usually play shuffle songs so that's it's always a surprise who comes on next from many genres.....only classical and jazz are not present.

Although at home imagezulu has all our radios on the jazz channel and at night he'll have it on......Some mornings he'll be blasting blues first thing in the morning......Where we meet.....soul, reggae.......I still can't get over how he saw CCR in 1969 and only was there because his friends wanted to go but he didn't like them.......Whaaaaaaaat? lol


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Scroll down and you'll see that I did indeed post a video of Otis Redding and "A Change Is Gonna Come". I guess most of you missed it after I posted Al Green's cover. I only have the Greatest Hits of these artists and of Sam Cooke's but they're the triology for me in the soul genre and I won't compare any of them. So here is the video from yesterday again with some footage of Otis. I read a bio on him but as yet haven't read one on Sam or Al.

The other video I posted yesterday of Yolanda Adams singing Lionel Ritchie's "Jesus Is Love" at one of the BET Awards show.....He was given a Life Time Achievement Award......In his acceptance speech he stated.....If my memory serves me well......"Soul is not about a colour.....He paused.......but a feeling." Van Morrison would also agree with him.

"A Change Is Gonna Come" for me.......for me......was about change in my own life during dark times....not about the Civil Rights Movement. Power of music once again.


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Peter V, perfectly said. I couldn't agree more. The linked article from The New Yorker last year about the origin of the song is very interesting.

Pat B, thanks for the tip on the Bobby Keys bio. A fun read.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 11:43:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Otis

You mean you’re discussing A Change Is Gonna Come and no one has mentioned Otis Redding? I've linked his version from "Otis Blue". In my Moondog Matinee article, I said:

I prefer the originals of both Holy Cow and A Change Is Gonna Come . I think a white singer can act out the latter, can perform brilliantly (and indeed Rick Danko does), but on this particular song, with all its ramifications, I think the `soul' just has to be authentic.

I love Aaron Neville’s take from “Bring It On Home- The Soul Classics” and play that album often, but the other thing is the song has a time context too, when Sam Cooke wrote it, and when Otis Redding covered it. In the end, any white singer covering it is technically interesting, can be moving and beautiful, but in the end it really is like a Frenchman singing “Rule Brittania.” There’s an inevitable lack of … sincerity? soul? true understanding? context? Probably all of them.

It's Sam Cooke's song, and Otis Redding was a huge fan of Sam Cooke. I'll extract a comment from Toppermost:

Shake. Change Is Gonna Come, Cupid. Wonderful World, You Send Me, Chain Gang, Nothing Can Change This Love, Bring It On Home To Me (Otis & Carla). Are there any more Sam Cooke covers? They are not far off an “Otis sings Sam Cooke” album. The contrast between Sam’s smoother voice and Otis is strong, but Otis loved the songs. Mainly the Sophie’s Choice is “impossible.


Entered at Mon Jul 20 03:47:47 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.41)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

You Tube is inundated with recent performances of A Change is Gonna Come by Blondie chaplin with Skollie or with Waddy Wachtel's band. We all get older, voices change. The recent performances are all admirable, and Blondie is still a favorite performer of mine. Back in the late 70s, all through the 80s and throught the 90s, i caught many powerfully gorgeous renditions of change is Gonna Come by Blondie. Some were with Rick, some were with Skollie. Some with both....But they were generally magnificient and moving, perfect.....


Entered at Sun Jul 19 22:14:05 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Malford Milligan - A Change Is Gonna Come

An Austin resident and regular performer there -


Entered at Sun Jul 19 21:12:33 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Dunc, Thanks for the link. I had not heard Aaron Neville's cover before. I like it. Aaron Neville is a wonderful singer, but I have to give the nod to Al Green. Of course, our guys did this song justice on 'Moondog Matinee'.

Afer listening to Aaron Neville, I came across a version by Van that has some strong moments, too. Check it out.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 21:04:01 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island
Web: My link

Subject: the music, my friends, may it never end

What started as a one off fundraising show a couple years ago is taking on a life of it's own. The Not-So-Righteous Brothers and special guests had a four hour show last night that was sold out weeks in advance. Opened with some fine acoustic folk and blues, then instruments were plugged in and things took off. By the time Pat W. closed with 'Moondance' & 'Stormy Monday' we were all on our knees and begging for deliverance. Made money at the door cause most were playing for free. Sold a lot of booze. Truly an evening of profit and pleasure.

Link is to Rhiannon Givens and her response to Charleston.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 20:14:39 CEST 2015 from (86.128.176.199)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Another great version, Ben

I like the two already mentioned versions of 'A Change Is Gonna Come'but this is a good version too, Ben.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 20:09:01 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

BEG thanks for all the morning music. Good Sunday staff


Entered at Sun Jul 19 17:05:34 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl. YES YES YES. I love Al Green's version of 'A Change is Gonna Come'. Just Magnificent. I actually think it tops Sam Cooke's.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 17:00:54 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sun Jul 19 16:55:42 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sun Jul 19 16:47:17 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Dare I say you're an obnoxious, self important, melodramatic old queen these days? I hadn't realized you were owed congratulations because a team you have nothing to do with won the trophy.

Could you share another fascinating internet story? The last one had the regulars clamoring for more.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 16:20:45 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Sam Cooke was a magnificent singer. I recently picked up a cd of his later work called 'keep movin on'. This disc has Cooke's version of 'Country boy', which I had never heard before. Very nice.

On a related note, I'm currently reading Peter Gurlanick's book, 'Sweet Soul Music'. The chapters on Sam Cooke and Solomon Burke are quite interesting. Burke in particular seems to have been quite a character.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:24:11 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Kevin, anything left of the fungi that I could . . . um . . . borrow? I needed a good Sunday morning laugh. Thnx.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:18:21 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Happy Healthy Sunday!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 14:15:25 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day is from one of Gospel's finest!
If going to church was like this I would never have become an atheist and then an agnostic.

If you're patient you'll see how she cooks this song...She starts out slowly and then she builds the song.....and then....she's into another world!

Bonus is watching the performer who is being honoured and wrote the song as well as the audience. At the end he stands up and you even see rapper Nicki Minaj showing appreciation.
I always try and watch all the award shows because there is always a gem or two. This is one of them. If you don't think so that's ok as it doesn't diminish my enjoyment now or in the future. I just don't dig when people attack posters personally instead of the song or.....just don't respond if you're not asked for your opinion.

Kevin J....I laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 13:22:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Sam Cooke to James Hunter

Pleasant enough, hard to see if it will grow. Nowhere near as "Sam Cooke-like" as James Hunter though. Listen to People Gonna Talk linked.

As it happens I was reading the Sam Cooke article in MOJO 60s … there was a bidding war between RCA and Atlantic for Sam Cooke, and RCA won. The article says:

"If only he'd signed with Atlantic and spared the world the saccharine, string-saturated atrocities he recorded with RCA's hotshot duo Hugo Peretti and Luigi Creatore"

Jerry Wexler is quoted on the RCA records:

"Most people don't realize how bad those records are. That he overrode a lot of sterility in them is a tribute to his genius."

The bottom line is that RCA let Sam Cooke retain publishing … Atlantic refused to do, hence the sour grapes.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 12:52:51 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Leon Bridges

Speaking of Sam Cooke, who will never ever be surpassed, there is a new retro soul singer getting rave reviews, Leon Bridges. Of course I fell for the hype and downloaded his new record. Now this is totally pedestrian blah music. The thing is the linked song has almost 2 million views! Is this good or mediocre?


Entered at Sun Jul 19 12:34:15 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

A little test. I don't link theatre reviews here, only music ones (there will be one tomorrow … off to see Jimmy Cliff tonight). But I just put up a review of Mack & Mabel (the musical about Mack Sennett & Mabel Normand) starring Michael Ball. I have a lot on real film history v the story for silent film buffs.

The test is click on the link … I'm not seeking Google ratings at all, most of my views come from theatre blogs … but I can check referred links. You don't have to read it. But it would be interesting to see how many people there actually are on a Sunday. i'll post the result!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 11:26:54 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

good post Peter. A lot of silly crap going on here recently.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 10:19:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

STOP BICKERING! I would guess that traffic here is down considerably. It does perk up when something of interest crops up, so people do check in. But when they read Jeff still harping on about his personal grudge against Pat, and anonymous "Coaches" they stop reading. Pat is a long respected musical poster, and fends off these continual digs with succinct one liners. Good for him.

Continual bickering will eventually confine this forum to history … not because our host pulls the plug, but because people just drift away.

I'm happy to debate the merits of Cahoots and RCO All Stars as music, but let's not attack Pat, or Ben, for their honest opinions.

It may be that people have no interest in musical reviews or are just bored with them, but when I linked a concert review a few months ago, I was getting 16 to 30 "hits" from this place. Recently it's 2 to 3. It may be my repetitive stuff, but I suspect it's also far fewer people reading here.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 08:11:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, though i think you are correct about Pat's posting, "debating", self righteous intimidation etc etc technique, and the negative effects it has had on the GB, whatever i think of your antics, i ascribe amateur status to your past recent efforts to point it out and do something about it.
Now Pat, he operates on a professional level of disruption and antagonism. In other words, he's a professional prick poster.
Though i don't approve of the manner in which you operate Ben ( nor do i approve of Pat's) , if you continue your chosen path, I do hope you raise your game. Truth is, it's a hopeless cause. The most you can hope for is a constant battle with the man. Just don't try to tell people how to post, don't insist that you know what people should be discussing, and i'll leave you alone to your war. If all there was to discuss here was The Band, this GB would be over.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:47:26 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Oh yeah, Coach. 4-2, no sweep, but our third and fourth lines killed theirs. I must have missed your congratulations.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:42:50 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, you and Jeff should get a room. You two can discuss the reprehensible and devious ways I express my opinions, and perhaps Coach can teach you how to make spitballs.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 07:10:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Jeff, I come to this guestbook to discuss things related to the Band. I really don't understand the comment about hiding or people not knowing who I am. I've been posting comments here under my name since the 1990's. I used to trade Band tapes with people on this site back then. I do like your cartoon character comment, as long as I get to pick the character I'll take Moe Szyslak.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 06:13:02 CEST 2015 from (24.114.51.170)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I sprinkled some magic mushrooms into my beer a few hours ago....and guess what:

- Robbie's warmed up and invited brown eyed girl to a rock n roll fornicatorium.

- Peter V's eloped with Serenity and sworn to her that he's never had the faintest idea of anything to do with The Band......Lists is all he ever really cared about.

- Ben's been grooving non-stop to Storyville and now rates it above High on The Hog.

- Pat B has not only forgiven Jacques Lemaire but now rates Jeff with Jonathan Toews.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 05:13:37 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.137)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert: I read a good part of "Eternal Golden Braid", but eventually ran out of intellectual steam, though I did like the self-referential notion. Now I don't even recall what Godel was / did.

It's more shifty than self-referential, but I sometimes wonder what our guys were thinking when they named their first album. Surely not just the colour of the house they jammed in. Were they thinking of the big pink mass on the standard map of North America (i.e., Canada), or the male member (as in the song "Sink The Pink"), or the female member (as in the book "Surrender the Pink), or ...? And then there's Garth's later song "Sea To The North". The Arctic Ocean?, a great lake?, C for Canada?, C for something else?


Entered at Sun Jul 19 03:16:40 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Conrad was right

The horror! The horror!


Entered at Sun Jul 19 02:13:43 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I will certainly state that Pat has taken other approaches, less direct than yours, and imho, very reprehensible, when it comes to getting his way here.. Our battles are no secret. I'm just pointing out that you're not doing your opinion any good, or making any friends, the way you argue. Nor are you giving anyone any real reason to take your opinions seriously. that's the problem.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 01:48:36 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.126)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Peter, Coach has been here before....

Ben. Because of the fact that this GB can be heavily one sided, I've often thought & sometimes expressed that it would be best shut down..... when The Feud, or subjects related to it are aovided, or given a soft treatment, this GB is a wonderful asset. There are many people here with whom i enjoy the exchange and banter immensely. I value some real life relationships that began in this GB, some as far back as 13 years now. I do wish some GB relation ships were better, i even wish Pat & i had found a way to get along.

Re your current battle....Pat can be a real self righteous sonuvagun. I've never felt he is capable of having a honest discussion with some one who has a different opinion than he on this forum. And I think hes often argued in a low handed manner. That said, i find the manner in which you choose to communicate even more offensive. Because you don't ever seem to contribute anything positive of value here. You come in looking for a fight. You never have a sense of humor, anything good you write is certianly accompnied by straight out antagonism, nothing redeeming about it. \ I'll give Pat this. He is a professional, a known person, a public person, people know who he is, and he isn't hiding. No one knows who you are. You come in looking to draw blood, with real people, and no one knows who you are. You might as well be a cartoon character.

So Ben, it really appears that aside from BEG, no one here values anything that you have contributed. It appears that the general GB conventional wisdom is that all you really want to do is bitch and moan, anf fight with people who disagree with you... Think about that, when you tell Pat to leave.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:19:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, dear the shape-shifters are back. Traces to Switzerland. I'g guess either London, Ontario or NYC.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:06:47 CEST 2015 from (107.77.76.59)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Hell on Wheels

Norm, Hell on Wheels is back tonight.


Entered at Sun Jul 19 00:00:23 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach

Mr. Pat B., why don't you take some time away? You've become a cranky old dame.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 23:31:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There's few enough of us left … stop trying to exclude those who are!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 23:12:30 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, Do you think you're the only long time Band fan who posts on this guestbook. That my friend is laughable. I think that designation would apply to the vast majority of folks who participate in this guestbook.

I couldn't care less that you don't like the RCO album. I don't like Cahoots. Such is life. If you have something constructive to add to the conversation besides some misplaced sense of moral outrage, please do so.

Otherwise, maybe you would be more comfortable on a forum dedicated exclusively to the original lineup of the Band, in which no mention of the RCo All-Stars, The Cate Brothers or Jim Weider would be tolerated. Heaven forbid... If such a site doesn't exist, maybe you should start it and leave this forum for people with a divergence of opinions who want to discuss the music of the Band's entire career.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 20:47:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Strangers & Godel, Escher, Bach

The world is full of strangers, you’ll meet them every day, on the streets, in a book shop, the train or a fast food restaurant.

Talk to them, listen and give them some of you(r love), find and connect……embrace life :-)

Oh…. and read: Godel, Escher, Bach.

Have a nice weekend all.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 17:58:00 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Absurd? Good one, Ben. Funny, even. Because here's what you think: A musician who had his world turned around in 1968 by MFBP and spent the next 8 years studying the releases and analyzing every note and phrase--especially Garth--and seeing the group live a bunch and wept when they played SNL and wept again at TLW movie, that musician found the then newly released RCO All stars album incredibly lacking and uninspired because he has personal prejudices and biases. Brilliant.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 15:15:47 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Bobby Fuller Song

Did Robbie ever finished that Bobby Fuller song?

“You fought the law and the law won,
look up and count your fingers son ......”


Entered at Sat Jul 18 14:40:01 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown eyed Girl, I appreciate your honesty and open-minded approach. You certainly can't go wrong with Al Green. Have you heard his version of 'A change is gonna come'? He definitely gave Sam Cooke a run for his money and may have surpassed him.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 14:03:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Ben. I found some links of Levon Helm and the RCO Allstars at The Palladium and listened.......No change in my opinion at all. Just as you're not drawn to Robbie's solo work, I'm not drawn to most of Levon's solo work, although I do like a few songs on two of his solo recordings that I have.....Levon Helm and American Son. My partner can't stand Levon's voice.....so there ya go. Different strokes for different folks. Music is subjective and some music is timeless and some music is just fun for a particular time. In general......I consistently play Robbie's solo work because unlike some here......I like his voice and his writing and his guitar playing. I don't gush about the person Ben.....I have met him a couple of times and have seen him four times.......He's not warm like Garland Jeffreys when you meet him...maybe he just wasn't drawn to me....lol.......I gush about him the musician not the person.

Song for the day! Country meets soul/gospel

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 12:29:28 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The evolution of popular music

Peter, my father had a 1964 Ford 12m (with a 13m engine he always quickly added) …. every Sunday morning, just before church, that car wouldn’t start ….. I can still see him curse the entire Ford Company whilst smacking the steering wheel so badly I was certain it would break (but it never did, that Ford part was ok) …..

Anyway, Ford shortened his my father’s life by several hours as a pale coroner, with a booze breath, later assured us.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 12:25:46 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Spotniks and ABBA and whoever...

In a rare and weak moment I agree with the Northeast American lurkers and wish that some gbers should have been shot up to space with the Russian Spotnik satellite instead of the poor Laika dog... but like Brown Eyed Girl said: Happy Healthy Weekend.

I drink to that!


Entered at Sat Jul 18 10:10:58 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bill M, your comment is absurd. I've well aware of my personal biases. But, when it comes to music, I try to listen without prejudice to borrow a phrase from George Michael.

I won't apologize for being severely disappointed by 'Cahoots'. I didn't condemn the album to the attic after one listen. I've played to it numerous times over the years and will continue to do so. Maybe one day my opinion will change.

Brown Eyed Girl, Nice link. It is good to see Dylan enjoying himself on stage. I have bootleg cd that has Van and Dylan singing 'one irish rover' together.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 09:06:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, you missed the VW Group abandoning 6 volt electrical systems on the VW Beetle thus joining a world where cars started in cold and wet weather. Otherwise, you've pretty much nailed it.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 08:41:55 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: a quantitative picture of the evolution of popular music (the imitation game)

"Like any cultural artefact—and any living organism—music is the result of a variational-selection process

By analogy, a causal account of the evolution of music must ultimately contain an account of how musicians imitate, and modify, existing music when creating new songs, that is, an account of the mode of inheritance, the production of musical novelty and its constraints.”

ABSTRACT:

- The birth date of Rock’n’Roll 1955?
- ‘Revolutions’ around 1964, 1983 and 1991
- ’British Invasion’ (BI) in late 1963
- The American revolution of 1964 (the British did not initiate the American revolution of 1964, they did exploit it and, to the degree that they were imitated by other artists)
- Porsche goes water cooled 1998
- Universal human cultural trait 2001
- The selective forces acting upon new songs are at least partly captured by their rise and fall through the ranks of the charts.

Those posters who wish to make claims about how and when popular music changed can no longer appeal to anecdote, connoisseurship and theory unadorned by data from now.


Entered at Sat Jul 18 00:40:48 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.82)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Get a load of Keltner making this.

Weir, Mayer, were fine. Excellent. But Keltner made it possible. Played those Dead drums superb.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:41:58 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Roll The Woodpile Down

Sorry, yet another post for those who have never seen Bellowhead. I think I've linked this video before but do watch it through … it'll give an idea of the sheer exuberance of Bellowhead. As the Beatles were told in Hamburg "Make Show" and Bellowhead really do.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:33:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

It's amazing they haven;t broken through in North America, JT. Here they hoover up the awards. Link to "Let Her Run" official video from the last album.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 23:26:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Bill M: While I have Spotniks singles (see link), the Spotniks in London & Berlin LPs, and The Spotniks in Paris EP, I rather feel that ABBA are Sweden's greatest group.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:53:09 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Many thanks to all for the Lou Myles links and stories. I now wish I might have partaken of a Myles suit myself.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:30:19 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Robbie Robertson on the Lou Myles suits Ronnie Hawkins ordered for his Hawks to wear: "Oh yeah, those suit jackets had an inside pocket with a slit beside it, just the right size for a blackjack. There was a little strap that you would leave hanging out so when you had to, you could pull it out quickly," he said making a whacking gesture, "and bingo! Ronnie told us, you see this spot on the collarbone," he continued, tapping a finger on his neck, "well, if you hit somebody really hard on that collarbone, it doesn't matter if he's Rocky Marciano, he's going down." Robertson gives a semi-apologetic chuckle. "This was all part of our education back then."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 21:01:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.82)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks for linking the Lou Myles story, Sadavid. Thanks for the original nod to the man, Bonk. Without your original reporting & tip of the hat to Lou, he might never have come up here. Many of us would never have known of his existence.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 20:19:14 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Lou Myles remembered

A personal reminiscence of the Haberdasher to the Hawks, from today's _Globe and Mail_.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 19:31:18 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.141)

Posted by:

Bill M

NWC: You knew the Spotniks, Sweden's greatest group, when they we're young? It's great that you're still in the game at that age!

Ben: You don't appear to be aware that you come across as a very biased person, even if you lean in a different direction.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 18:45:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bellowhead

Lest you wonder (or care) I am a fan of this band and appreciate your reviews. I would have never become aware of them without this site and your comments. These musicians are not 'on the radar' in Canada for most of us (maybe the true 'folk community').

As I have said so many times before, let us concentrate on the music and avoid the BS (at all costs). The recent entries (from BEG and many others) attest to a return to the right direction. Maybe we'll get more of this. It is welcome.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 17:52:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When all else fails, accuse someone of bias. It feels good.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:16:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Live At The Paladium is, for me, much better than the RCO All Stars album, albeit with much the same material. There's a vigor about the playing which is absent from the studio album.

I defend pedestrians … in Poole and London you're in constant danger from lycra clad cyclists on the pavement and riding straight across pedestrian crossing and traffic lights. Last year, walking with a three year old on the promenade by the beach … 10 mph limit for cycles, one rode BETWEEN me and the three year old flat out, head down. That's about 25 mph. Another put a child in a coma for several weeks after riding across a pedestrian crossing with small children walking across. Fortunately he went to prison. Good.

BUT as an adjective rather than a noun, pedestrian means "plodding and uninspired" and I think that fits.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:15:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.....just one more because Van brings out the smilies in Dylan!

Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, More and More , New York,16.01.1998

And Ben....I'm a total pedestrian in Toronto as I live downtown. Just helping out the neighbourhood with less pollution and good for the mind and body.

Happy Healthy Weekend!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:02:01 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok Ben I will listen later when I have the time and report back. As far as bias goes I learned a long time ago in University that we all have one. Otherwise, we're not honest or we're not aware we have one. Also some groups I loooove live like BARK but there are only a few songs I have on my Nano. I have no idea why I didn't see the reformed Band in town. I do know this.....When I was in a Deli and heard Levon's voice with the reformed Band on "Atlantic City"(Springsteen).......I was totally drawn in. I was so hopeful that although Robbie moved on that I still had the rest of the magic to experience. So I immediately bought Jericho. I immediately realized the songs just weren't there but I kept playing the record as some records need repeated listening to get 'it". Nope. To this day I only listen to.....Atlantic City, Blind Willie McTell (Dylan) and Too Soon Gone (Jules Shear and Stan Szelest). Ben it's like when you go to see a film with some of your favourite actors.....and.......the film flops because the story line just isn't there. I used to have a DVD of The Clash where Joe Strummer talked about the magic of the original Clash or any band for that matter....and how precious and sacred that is even if one of them is nodding off.....which isn't a good thing in rock....maybe you can get away with it in jazz......once something changes with that original brew........magic is gone, gone, gone.

Song for the day....Yay!!!!! I finally found the time and place of this recording on my Nano. Here Bob is how shall we say....having a little too much fun.....but love his smiling, smiling, smiling. Btw, when they performed at MSG on a double bill.....I was soooooo close to making that show....so close!

Bob Dylan,Van Morrison, Tupelo Honey/Why Must I Always Explain? Belfast 06.02.1991

Happy Healthy Friday!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:47:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

Review linked of "Britain's Best Live Band", Bellowhead, at Larmer Tree Festival, Dorset, 16th July. This was the second gig of their ten month "Farewell Tour."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:02:35 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: "This young woman"

Don't get a wrong impression because of my words of "this young woman" ignoring me. A young female Cambridge literature scientist thanked me in foreword of her survey for awhile ago so I am not totally out of the race yet!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:55:49 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Brown Eyed Girl, I respect but disagree with your opinion of the RCO album. Have you by any chance listened to their live at the Palladium cd? For you or anyone else who finds the studio album to be pedestrian, please give an unbiased listen to the live cd. It really cooks.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 12:22:15 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: BONK's RIP post

BONK's constructive words to Mr. Dener deserve to be repeated: (BONK): "... why don't you take the time and tell the rest of us some great anecdotes of your time with the group. I for one would love it! ... We're all getting older Butch and some time soon, it won't matter anymore." (End of BONK's words). So true.

Let me take a warning example: myself. For a few years ago a young literature scientist was seeking for material to her Ph. D. thesis on Sweden's greatest rock band and especially the lyrics. The majority of these boys had been my students so I wished to be able to contribute something. This young woman was not too interested in an old man's reminiscenses and thoughts. I was disappointed, really. - So think about this, please.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 08:31:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Urban dictionary of pedestrian......I agree. Why? Well....on Levon's RCO-Allstars there is only one song that I dig and it ain't the one that Robbie supposedly is on, "Sing, Sing, Sing". The only one I ever put on my Nano is, "You Got Me."

With all these musicians.....and still....one song that resonates....one song where I feeeeeeel the groove and like the lyrics......one song. Listening to it now....."You got me spinnin'. You got me spinnin' like a spinnin' top. And you got me hopin'....."
Sidemen:

Paul Butterfield, harmonica Steve Cropper, guitar Dr. John, guitar/keyboards Robbie Robertson, guitar Howard Johnson, horn Fred Carter, guitar Jeanette Baker, vocal Donald "Duck" Dunn, bass John Flamingo, vocal Henry Glover, "band master" Garth Hudson, accordion Booker T. Jones, keyboards Lou Marini, saxophone Emmeretta Marks, vocal Charles Kaipo Miller Serenaders Ray Kinney, saxophone Eddie Offord, engineer Alan Rubin, trumpet

Don't mind me Bill M 'cause I have strong reactions to music.....Some songs can grow on you with many listens but not this recording.....not for me. So what, right? :-D


Entered at Fri Jul 17 07:57:20 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I think if you heathens actually look up the word, you will find is quite apt.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 07:42:48 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.12)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Shanks mare

Pat B: As an ardent pedestrian, I do not appreciate your rather snide comparison with the RCO All-Stars album. Call it disappointing, call it underwhelming - but please don't call it pedestrian.

In other news, I think the phrase "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed" is a misleading excerpt from the unwritten "Levon quit because he didn't appreciate being booed playing somebody else's tunes when he could have been touring, as the leader of his own hot band, in support of a recording of their own original songs, which had recently been released on a consequential label and which was already climbing the charts back in their stomping grounds up north and could do well all over the place if they played their cards right - but those other guys got cold feet or something."


Entered at Fri Jul 17 06:47:29 CEST 2015 from (92.83.169.60)

Posted by:

how to make your skin whiter

Web: My link

Love the site-- extremely user friendly and great deals to see!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 03:44:10 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sister Maud & Garth Hudson - Accordion Jokes - July 11, 2015

Canterbury Folk Festival
Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada


Entered at Fri Jul 17 03:39:59 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sister Maud & Garth Hudson - "The Genetic Method / Chest Fever" - July 11, 2015

Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada
Canterbury Folk Festival

Thanks again to Kevin Pohl for sharing videos.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 23:04:28 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

After the Fall.

p.s. let the previous Hazel link play on, lots of great rare Dylan songs....ok, good night.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:53:34 CEST 2015 from (24.68.4.90)

Posted by:

Adam Reid

Location: Kemptville ontario
Web: My link

Subject: Excellent web archive for an amazing group :)

Just stumbled upon the site doing a lookup on Caledonia Mission. I recently acquired the new years 71 live album and was curious if it's "backstory" was ever told.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:49:23 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

From 1996.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:27:17 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Hazel (spoiler alert: not new).


Entered at Thu Jul 16 21:28:29 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: looking to replace that old Karmann Ghia?

Make a bid on Keef's old ride -- Bonhams Goodwood Revival Sale takes place 12 September in Chichester, West Sussex.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 21:01:54 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan/Hawks rehearsals 1965

Thanks for the replies. My purpose was two-fold.

My current project is an article trying to pin down the date a particular Dylan interview that took place around this time. Part of the research involves identifying days when it could not have taken place and they would include concert days and when rehearsals were taking place. Or, I guess, when Levon and the Hawks were in the recording studio that month.

My long-running project is to establish information about the tours undertaken by Dylan and the Hawks in late 1965 and early 1966.

Another contact has just told me that he believes there were rehearsals prior to the Carnegie Hall concert on 1 October 1965, which, if accurate, would be consistent with Hoskyns's statement that rehearsals took place after the Austin and Dallas shows. I guess they all returned from Texas either right after the Dallas show (that is, late on 25th) or the next day (26th).

I had wondered whether there had been any rehearsals after the Friars sessions (15th to 17th Sept) and before they went off to Texas (23rd Sept).

The link to the TEXAS RANGER was great. I have had a photocopy of the article for years and years but had never seen the cover before. Sadly, I was unable to enlarge the image on the website in order to get a scan rather to replace my photocopy. The article ran to four pages in all.

The Austin show on 24th Sept was announced in THE DAILY TEXAN on 15 September, so fairly short notice, it would seem..



Entered at Thu Jul 16 16:24:55 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Dylan and Hawks in Austin

There is so much wrong stuff in that Michael Corcoran blog it's almost useless. It is highly doubtful Dylan played piano on "Maggie's Farm." He played piano on "Ballad Of A Thin Man." No Dylan album in the 20th century listed Albert Grossman as manager. Dylan did not go off to Australia and Europe with a series of fill in drummers, that happened in the US after Levon quit. However he is probably correct that Dylan met the Hawks through John Hammond Jr.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 13:06:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry, Gilbert Shelton is a cartoonist so the previous article was correct.

"Robert Shelton, born Robert Shapiro (June 28, 1926, Chicago, Illinois, United States – December 11, 1995, Brighton, England) was a music and film critic. Shelton was perhaps most notable for the way in which he helped to launch the career of a then unknown 20-year-old folk singer named Bob Dylan. In 1961, Dylan was performing at Gerdes Folk City in the West Village, one of the best-known folk venues in New York, opening for a bluegrass act called the Greenbriar Boys. Shelton's positive review, in the The New York Times, brought crucial publicity to Dylan, and led to a Columbia recording contract."


Entered at Thu Jul 16 12:49:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Didja know? Dylan and the Band debuted in Austin 9/24/65

Gilbert Shelton should be Robert Shelton and Levon left The Hawks not only because of the boooooooooing they encountered on stage but.......musical disagreements with their boss Bob Dylan? Canadian haircuts and clothes?

Happy Healthy Thursday!


Entered at Thu Jul 16 12:30:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day comes from Montreal, Canada. I have no idea how I discovered this song but it's been on my Nano for a long time as I like to crank up the volume when I need a quick lift to my day.
Btw, I checked out Montreal's Reggae Fest coming up next month and I didn't recognise one name. When I attended our Reggae Fest many years ago at Lamport Stadium in Toronto.....surprise, surprise......I had the absolute privilege......to witness Reverend Al Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dubmatique a Montréal Ragga DUB ( le clip)

For those of you who still need.....a Band connection......Levon Helm was a fan of reggae and other rituals. :-D


Entered at Thu Jul 16 09:33:58 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

I really liked the clips I've seen of those late 80s shows with Jim and Fred Carter. Seems like the original 3 had more room to move without lots of extra musicians. Or perhaps they had to play more to the level they were all capable of.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 08:24:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You're looking for an exact day, Ian … as I'm sure you know, "The Musical History" set doesn't get any tighter for The Stones I Throw / Liza Jane than "September 1965" and notes that the song sketch before it is "Hotel room, Somers Point, NJ". Release date is "Fall 1965." It is intriguing in relation to what they were doing with Dylan.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 00:39:46 CEST 2015 from (207.164.2.174)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: gorilla warfare

How does the editor or writer know that the finger was flipped 'unwittingly'. This was classic gorilla warfare!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 23:00:39 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:56:27 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: White light

Clark's rage.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:15:13 CEST 2015 from (87.144.165.122)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Marie Marvingt

“Marie Marvingt died on December 14, 1963, the most decorated woman in the history of France. She was awarded more than 34 medals and decorations.
It is unfortunate that she is so unknown. She was a fantastic lady, and contributed greatly to the history of aviation and to the development of the airplane ambulance.

One thing that is for certain, Marvingt never slowed down. When she was 80 she earned her helicopter pilots license, and later flew over her home town in a US fighter jet, reportedly breaking the sound barrier.”


Entered at Wed Jul 15 22:02:01 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Melva's Wine

Link is to a John Cash cover. Keep your ears open for the long awaited release of the Kingston Springs Suite.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 21:47:04 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Dan……That question had been asked a while back and someone here – Jeff, I believe – had noted that he had been told it related to a Maud way of remembering Levon as Levon had referred to her on occasion as Sister Maud......The confusing part is in the references in media to promote shows or appearances that will refer to Garth Hudson and sister Maud Hudson….which leads to, “ah, I had thought Maud was his wife…..” and so on.

Looking forward to Adam's report as well....and how his Robbie Tele is sounding these days.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 21:39:09 CEST 2015 from (188.149.201.11)

Posted by:

jh

Emmylou about to go on stage at Oslo Fjordfest!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 20:26:46 CEST 2015 from (38.113.85.40)

Posted by:

Dan

Location: NJ

Subject: Sister Maud

Does anyone know what the deal is with "Maud Hudson" becoming "Sister Maud Hudson?"


Entered at Wed Jul 15 19:05:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and the Hawks rehearsing - September 1965

I wonder if anyone here can help me. I'm just completing another little bit of research and I have been trying to pin down some dates.

In his book, Barney Hoskyns writes that "Returning from Dallas [that is, from the concert at the SMU Coliseum on 25 September 1965], the Hawks accompanied Dylan up to Woodstock, New York .... Here the band rehearsed for the tour proper". Does anyone know the basis for this statement, in particular:

1. that the rehearsal took place in Woodstock rather than in New York City?

and

2. that the rehearsals actually took place AFTER the Dallas show, rather than before they all went down to Texas for the Austin show and the Dallas show?

What is the basis for the location and/or the chronology?

Also, do we have a precise date for the NYC session that produced the single "The Stones I Throw"?



Entered at Wed Jul 15 16:02:44 CEST 2015 from (108.36.197.190)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: absurdity and so on

Subject: "Vaults? Did somebody say vaults??" (My apologies to Jambi)

I'm not a major fan of Facebook. Too much like walking around in your underwear for the whole world to see, as my wife says. But, every now and then, via Levon's Facebook page or Anna's Levon Daily, Randy Ciarlante posts a gem he's been holding for safekeeping. Delightful and generous. The folks at LHS Studios do this regularly too. Nothing beats suddenly finding a song that's never been released, and Rando plays Santa, and leaves us a little gift !


Entered at Wed Jul 15 15:34:51 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, a frequent aspect of the best music is that it is a beautiful expression of aspects of life. People's lives. In particular or greater senses, or some combination thereof. So, music forums, especially forums that have the same cast, will of course contain a lot of other discussion & information.. That's something pretty elementary to most people who understand what The Band was about... The Band certainly was not about manipulation. Try to manipulate those guys, you were asking for a straight reaction...Of course, they weren't playing footsie on the net....


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:40:32 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, in Feb 86, I saw a couple nights worth of shows at The Lone Star, that were smoking, tight, & really perfect shows. From the first hit, to the last note of the entire night..... The 85 shows there very damn good, but not excellent throughout. 85, had some combinations of Earl Cates, Jimmy, & Blondie on guitars...The Feb 86 shows were of the highest level, & Jim was the only guitarist.

In 85, I was fresh back from the diaspora in St Louis, & caught almost every show in shooting distance that Rick & /or Richard were in. Many of those shows were beautifully perfect. The duo shows (just Rick & Richard show) in that time frame were wonderful,, the Mixed Bag show in particular, at The Lone Star, was a stunner... Many shows were just fucking great in various ways.... Some of these were Rick, Richard, Blondie & Gene Clark, just the four of em, & then there were configs of three of em. These were at Folk City..

BTW, speaking of Blondie Chaplin, he & Al Jardine have been touring with Brian Wilson.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:19:34 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

And the last song of the day.....my fave....from England's Steel Pulse....Your House! Btw, some of the best parties I've attended were at the homes of Jamaicans.....always great food, music, dancing.....I can't stand stuffy cocktail parties....yuck!

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:09:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It's Jam...aica Day today in brown eyed girl's household! Another Jamaican artist I saw in NYC's Central Park was Diana King who tends to perform in a reggae fusion style. Here she is from the Cool Runnings Soundtrack...."When a Jamaican sprinter is disqualified to the Olympic Games, he enlists the help of a dishonored coach to start the first Jamaican Bobsled Team."....coach was played by Canandian John Candy. Small world as I worked in the same store with his Aunt when I was a student but she was in toys and I was in music. Also Tiger is on this recording who I saw in Kingston, Jamaica.....just because I happen to be there at the time.....I missed Ben E King who was peforming New Year's Eve....1989/1990. The other reggae group I forgot.......getting old now......Jamaica's Zap Pow at Toronto's Edgerton's or it might have changed to The Edge. The only reggae groups I haven't seen who I still would like to see is Toots and The Maytals, Gregory Isaacs (unfortunately passed five years ago) and Steel Pulse and Ziggy Marley and The Melody Makers but they seemed to have stopped performing together.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 14:01:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I don't think you over praised 'Jubilation' at all. It's a really fine album. Is it the equal of MFSB or the Brown album, no, I don't think so. But nothing that the original quartet, reformed Band or solo work equaled the first two albums. Still, I think it holds up as a fine album, as dos 'Jericho'. I think 'High on the Hog' is a mixed bag.

Jeff, I agree with your comments about the 80's and 90's Band. I really wish the vaults would be opened and some of these shows would be officially released. I have a pretty large collection of live cd's and tapes covering the Band's entire career and some of my favorite shows are from the mid 80's. I think the period after the Cates left and before Randy and Richard Bell joined had some real gems.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 13:44:14 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and another Jimmy Cliff song my oldest music students performed was "You Can Get It If You Really Want". I always tried to promote songs that evinced positive vibes and social justice. Our Roots and Shoots Club (based on Jane Goodall's philosophy) liked this song so much that they also performed it for Jane Goodall herself.

"Jane Goodall’s Roots & Shoots is the youth-led community action and learning program of the Jane Goodall Institute. The program builds on the legacy and vision of Dr. Jane Goodall to place the power and responsibility for creating community-based solutions to big challenges in the hands of the young people. Through the program, young people map their community to identify specific challenges their neighborhoods face. From there, they prioritize the problems, develop a plan for a solution, and take action.

Our young members are part of a wave of change across the globe for people, animals and the environment. It is when the minds and hearts of many come together and act as one that we achieve measurable change and lasting impact for our future."


Entered at Wed Jul 15 13:06:53 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth and Sister Maud Hudson Canterbury Folk Festival

For those seeking solid advice about achieving musical success he offers a few words of wisdom.

“Remember names, make notes and remember music comes from everywhere,” he said.

For Sister Maud, who is a member of New York Blues Hall of Fame and was awarded of the honour of being Legendary Blues Artist 2015, her recipe for success consists of “diligence, patience, continued education and a sense of humour.”

After the festival the pair are returning to their home in Woodstock, NY, where they will participate in local events before travelling to Sweden where Garth will play pipe organs at the church where Dieterich Buxtehude was once organist and choir master.

He will also teach at Lund University and continue his work establishing the Garth Hudson School of Music."


Entered at Wed Jul 15 09:27:15 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, if you get yourself a good lawyer, you might get compensated for damages rendered to you by virtue of growing up south of all those oil refineries. Most of us old GBers are more sympathetic than it might appear.....I'm thinking Pat, Peter, Mike, I & some others might testify on your behalf...


Entered at Wed Jul 15 07:55:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My opinion of Cahoots hasn't changed since 1971 and is well-documented. I over-praised Jubilation by a mile in my review here.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 06:22:55 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, are you trying to accomplish something by repeating the same thing Ad nauseam?


Entered at Wed Jul 15 05:49:24 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jeff A. Wow. That was a really bizarre post. I have no idea what you're talking about, or how it's relevant. I prefer to talk about the music rather than make presumptuous and obscure regional and ethnic comments. But hey, if you want to talk about pizza places and the mean streets of Flatbush, be my guest.

Peter, I certainly agree with you on 'the moon struck one'. It seems like you're right on the brink of agreeing that 'Jericho' and 'Jubilation' are stronger albums than 'Cahoots'. It's okay, it's not sacrilegious to acknowledge that the greatest band in rock history made one stinker of an album.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:46:30 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Understood, Jeff. Thanks. And agree.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:39:00 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I needed a separation between the 2nd & 3rd sections of that last post i made- hope it's understood that general statement is not directed at you Mike...


Entered at Wed Jul 15 02:34:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike, I shoulda added that it's good of you to shake Benjie by the shoulders gently as you did......an example that things are generally so much quieter than the past here ....

I'd have sent you a health call e mail months ago, but can't recall your e mail screen name. When you got a moment shoot me a e mail so I can stay in touch...This time I'll file it properly, as befits ......

The 80s & 90s Band brought great amounts of joy & musical beauty sometimes, & almost every show I saw had musical moments that were sheer beauty, and just what it should be........ I'm as critical a live customer as they come..... I've written about live 80s & 90s Band performances with regards to many aspects too many times here over the years to do it again right now....but I'll say this.... all you heroes that seem to demand perfection, that nothing less is good enough...well, if your wives or lovers applied the same standards to your time adjusted performances as you guys do the The Band, well, where would that leave ya? Maybe there's some wiggle room so to speak....... we hit the right notes and experience bliss same as the latter day Band & their audience did..... SometimeS it's just as intense and just like the old days, some parts might be different..... and the heights might be attained less frequently but can be magnificent..... but, things will change..... this is when I bring up the old discussion of Rick masks etc....i forgot about that & it's just a vague memory coming back....

I saw dozens of irreplaceable shows- and they were sometimes semi hangs, - warts & all, what The Band gave us in the 80s & 90s was manna from heaven & it's a sin & a crime to belittle it....


Entered at Wed Jul 15 01:33:33 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Pedestrian Quality

The word Pedestrian is only a perjorative in music, but on the other hand, simplicity has its good points too. Mystery Train is an example I think. A simple song that sounds so good when played loud by a good bar band.

Elvis took Jr Walker's song and made it fit the new rockabilly thing then. Same as a decade or so later by the Butterfield BB. And I like the Moondog M version too.

Sometimes it's only rock n roll. Just saying thats how simplicity can work for me - plus there's a slight chance I can play and sing it at the same time!! Con huevos too!


Entered at Wed Jul 15 00:42:22 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Jeff, I bow to your expert analysis, as always. Thanks.


Entered at Wed Jul 15 00:39:28 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Subject: I'd like to add...

I'd like to add that I really don't know why I didn't mention Dirt Farmer as a real gem... so sorry...

And I forgot one of my favorite RR masterpieces, It Is A Good Day To Die. It's just that I mostly skip the rest of his Native American cd's...

And yes Peter, I agree, American Son is a good one, sure.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 23:26:38 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: He ain't heavy

Mike Nomad, I'll try to put Ben in perspective for you - NY Jews are familiar with being just short of embarrassed by a significant percentage of Jersey Jews ( %age of the native ones). I wouldn't go so far as to say they are our cross to bear , and we certainly ain't responsible for the wayward ones. But unless they were raised by exceptionally positively strong people from elsewhere, many of those born in Jersey are certainly of a different ilk....Ben's from South Jersey, Maybe being downwind of all the oil refineries explains things....If so, he's made a heroic adjustment.... But hey, this is what makes horse races. Ben can espouse his views all he likes......... I enjoyed dozens of the 80s & 90s Band shows immensely, others not as much..... the rare few, just parts...... but, they were family, sometimes yoyu get some blood in the mud. gonna happen. Ben enjoying the latter day Band is a good thing...... I don't have to approve of his arguments, and certainly don't give a fuck if he cares for anything i contribute....Sheesh, Ben is from down there in Panzarotti territory... He's coming from behind. Be kind.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:34:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Whatever anyone tells me to the contrary, the lyrics on The Moon Struck One are unacceptable. Dreadful stuff. Robbie's worst ever moment.

Otherwise, I agree pretty much with Ragtime … except that "American Son" really has better quality songs than Levon's other early solo stuff.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:24:56 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: My Humble Opinion

I like Cahoots, especially Carnival, 4%P, Smoke Signal and TMS1 (yes, Peter), but I think The River Hymn is the dullest drab our original five have ever made. NLSC is IMO a masterpiece, including an underrated song as Rags & Bones. Islands is not an album, but a compilation of leftovers, some of them beautiful, most of them middle-of-the-road.

I like RCO All Stars, it's really fun, but the songs are not up to The Band's standards. Same for Levon's next three albums. On the Danko album, in spite of the great playing and singing on Java Blues, only one song (Once Upon A Time) survived my test of time. It's fair to say that on Robbie's first two albums the songwriting is great, but they urgently need the expertise and creativity of the other four...

As for the three post-TLW-albums, I like five or six songs on Jericho, and three or four on Jubilation. HotH seems to me an embarrassing failure with only one song that can 'stand up'. The performances are good as ever, but the songs bore me to death. And I don't like the merciless sound engineering on HotH.

Thank God we have a few real gems: Sea to the North, Electric Dirt, How To Become Clairvoyant.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:04:17 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

The Band toured Norway for the first and last time in the end of May 1994, just months before this site went on-line. We saw them in Oslo. Rick was in great shape, Garth too. Levon was clearly under the weather, but soldiered on. This was the last line-up with Weider, Bell and Ciarlante on board. Check link above for a pretty good quality two-part video from their concert in Bergen 05.29.1994, including interviews with the boys. Also included is a link to a Norwegian TV "pop-special" from 1988 with an interview++ with Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 22:05:07 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, Ben, I'm all for hockey, indoor plumbing, Brooklyn and four-letter words (last two references, I believe, to you, Jeff). I believe you may have also left out football, as in soccer. Tsk, tsk, Ben. Here's another four-letter word for you: T-A-K-E, as in Take A Sedative.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 21:26:16 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As ever, you can put the best players in a room, but it's the SONG that counts. That's why Robbie was essential. Given Bruce for Atlantic City and Bob for Blind Willie McTell the 90s Band were sublime. But put the best six musicians you can find on The Same Thing and it's still extremely dull.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 20:54:00 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, thanks. I don't need repeated listens to recognize pedestrian music.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 20:41:44 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: Turkel

Peter, I listened to the first half of 'Jericho' again today and I think it holds up quite well. Remedy, Blind Willie McTell, Atlantic City, Too Soon Gone, all first rate. The only so-so track on the first half is the Caves of Jericho. Based on those 4 songs, I find it to be superior to 'Cahoots'.

Brown Eyed Girl, Thanks for your kind words. I'm a Lou Reed fan, too. I always appreciate discussions of music on the gust book, more so than hockey, indoor plumbing, brooklyn or four letter words.

Pat, my deepest apologies for misconstruing your comments. So, you've listened to Levon and the RCO All Stars twice, once in 1977 and once more this year. Congrats. I can assure you that I've listened to 'Cahoots' many, many times in the last 30 or so years. Believe me, I wish I could like 'Cahoots', but I find most of the songs to be sub-standard. Last of the blacksmiths, the moon struck one, where do we go from here, volcano, shootout in chinatown.... come on, these are surely the worst songs that Robbie wrote during his tenure with the Band. I bet he would readily admit that.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:34:54 CEST 2015 from (74.75.66.43)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: The Ghost of Richard Manuel

Greetings all - I've come across this tune several times over the last few months. Mike & Ruthy released it on their new album, not sure if Joshua Davis wrote it or not. Nice, smooth tune. Thought I'd send it out to all of you. Happy Summer days all around.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:25:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Link to the original 1969 Many Rivers To Cross live … this should make the day go well!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:04:48 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Yes, Ben, you misinterpreted it. I bought every single album that had anything to do with the Band as they were released--even The Dingoes album that had Garth on one track. The RCO record I listened to once and filed it away. I couldn't believe such great musicians made such a pedestrian record. When this discussion came up, I used the internet to reacquaint myself with it--which only confirmed my original reaction.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 17:02:18 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jimmy Cliff dates back to 1962, and like Jackie Edwards early on was quite capable of doing gospel or a ballad. Blackwell financed 'The Harder They Come' and had visions of Jimmy Cliff being the "breakthrough" artist for reggae. On the back of the film, Jimmy Cliff sought a bigger label and Blackwell was "devastated." He said The Wailers were his "comeback" in that though he'd released Wailers tracks he hadn't met them … then they got stuck in England when a tour with Johnny Nash collapsed … and the rest is history.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 16:35:53 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and the very first song I heard from Dennis Brown which is on my Nano.

Ben....Do I care if others don't like reggae or rock steady or lovers rock mostly used in relation to Dennis Brown's music.....or Amy or ????? Nope! There will be someone out there however, who will get interested for the very first time....and that is the beauty of sharing music.....more people connect!! :-D

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 16:19:41 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It was "The Harder They Come" film (first viewing at school with subtitles...lol) and soundtrack that had catapulted Jimmy Cliff into the big time. It's interesting to note that he was never given the title of king of reggae like Marley or even prince like Dennis Brown (missed him one summer while in NYC). I always found his music more rock steady actually.

Dennis Brown's cover of "My Girl". I only found this cut in Jamaica on cassette and then years later....iTunes.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:38:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Looking forward to Jimmy Cliff. He was very much John The Baptist to Bob Marley & The Wailers. Stories have it that so much was invested in "Catch A Fire" by Island because Jimmy Cliff had left them. He was to be their original "Reggae World Star."


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:03:48 CEST 2015 from (70.49.46.80)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Opinions: communication ethics

There are as many opinions as there are grains of sand on the shorelines of the world.

All are valid and should be expressed in a forum which values communication

All should be expressed without animosity to those whose opinion differs

That is the only way this site is going to maintain any credibility and is going to function in a positive way

Failing that approach, we should 'pack it in'.

"So it shall be written. So it shall be done."

As we used to say to our kids: "Play nice in the sandbox." Good advice


Entered at Tue Jul 14 15:02:08 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Photos of Garth Hudson and Sister Maud Hudson
Don Wolan Photographer

Did you attend Canterbury Folk Festival Adam? Anything to share? :-D

I continue to listen on my Nano solo Robbie and some solo Levon (Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt, American Son.....yes.....I paid import prices back in the day as I did for Rick's first solo recording and we have high taxes here.) and The Band. I'm lucky in that I don't have to have Band members sounding like The Band. I'll say it again......If I want a solo Band member or any performer to sound like The Band.....I listen to The Band. The reformed Band I would have enjoyed live. Although one of the people I actually met from this site told me that when she saw the reformed Band in 1993 in England.....no.....to painful to watch what transpired on stage......I do have all or did have all of the Reformed Band's material....I sold some to a used record shop.....and just downloaded the songs I liked...The musicianship at times was there......but where were the songs?.....I'm drawn to writers period. Robbie is a writer......as is Marley as is Van as is Louuuu.....as is Garland Jeffreys as is....Willy DeVille of Mink Deville.

Thanks for reminding me Peter as I've also seen Jimmy Cliff perform. I discovered him the same time as Marley....1975 when I saw the film "The Harder They Come" (issued in North America year later than UK in 1973). I only have Jimmy Cliff's Give Thankx) and previously on cassette The Power and The Glory as well as the soundtrack The Harder They Come.....whereas I have all of Bob Marley's. Btw, whenever we had concerts at school I'd fit in reggae as much as possible. The kidzzz sang....."Three Little Birds", "Work" by Marley and "I Can See Clearly Now" by Jimmy Cliff (written by Johnny Nash) as well as "Sunshine Reggae" by Laid Back.

Ben....I feel your pain. I used to post a lot about Louuuu and most Band fans just hated his music so much so that one emailed me about it and I ignored him. Whereas someone like Pat B.....Now there's a cool guy. We'd exchange emails......always respectfully....by the end....He'd admit that he didn't dig his music.....but respected his career. Whereas the other poster....became one of the pitbulls that attacked brown eyed girl at any given chance. More people know about Louuuu's music than about us here......I used to take everything so personal.......not anymore. Ohhhh....and I just remembered that Levon's nephew emailed putting down Robbie's solo music (won't share exactly what he said).....LOL....I emailed back saying I know who you are and that was the end of that! I love that I have eclectic taste in music and too bad if others don't! ;-D


Entered at Tue Jul 14 14:25:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I could compile a compilation of the three 90s albums with a couple of other possibilities that I'd enjoy more than Cahoots in a head to head. Not just sure about just one of them. As albums, neither Richard track fits the mood or style at all … shoehorned in. Should have been done with the other Richard live tracks as a solo album.

I'd bet my most played track of the three albums by a long way is French Girls, because it's on my very frequent "Relaxing playlist" with Weather Report, Gato Barbieri and Abdullah Ibrahim. But again, that's Garth solo, and really fits better with Sea To The North.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 14:16:19 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I've recently listened to all of the Band's albums with the exception of 'Islands'. I think that the 90's albums hold up quite well, much better than 'Cahoots'. That's just my opinion. Others may disagree and that's great.

I don't have any issue with people's honest opinion. What I do find fault with is the extreme bias that many people seem to have that a Band album without Robbie's involvement is automatically inferior than one released by the original quartet. The lengths that some people will go to in order to defend the weakest Band album, 'Cahoots' against the albums released in the 90's is quite amusing.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 13:27:31 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Please Stop

Every Band related record has something to like about it and that includes the All Stars and High on The Hog. However comparing those records to something the original Band did is just silly. Free Your Mind is better then Volcano? That version of Forever Young is better then Masterpiece? Yeah right.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 13:05:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

But in 1998 I wrote that I thought it the best post-Robbie Band album. I don't agree with my first impression anymore.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 12:58:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Back to my point. You can’t get someone to agree that they like a piece of music that they don’t. For example, I think “The End” by The Doors is atrocious crap of the worst order. I heard it a lot when it was new. I haven’t listened through it for years, but have heard bits enough times over the years to confirm my first impressions. You could play it to me twenty times and my mind won’t change. A lot of people must find it deeply moving for it to be so well-known. That’s fine. I’m not inspired to download a copy to check my opinion.

There are exceptions. When I criticized Pete Seeger’s Little Boxes here, I upset some people who told me what a fine man he was, and I read up, and indeed he was. So I sat and listened several times to Little Boxes and I still loathed it. BUT I did listen to more Pete Seeger as a result and my blanket condemnation was misguided. Some of it I appreciated. Though not Little Boxes.

So I think my review of Jubilation (for example) was through rosy coloured headphones so delighted was I to have something new by The Band. On my last listen, a few months back, I thought a lot of it forced, too many cooks spoiled the broth, you certainly didn’t need to have a Clapton guitar solo phoned in … Jim is equally good … and obviously Levon’s voice was shot at that point. In retrospect, I don’t think it holds up as well as Jericho and High On The Hog … or Danko, Fjeld, Anderson’s stuff.

You realize it’s very close to TWENTY YEARS since the 90s Band last played. It’s natural that fewer people talk about them as when they were touring.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 12:44:41 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jon Lyness, nice post. I can definitely relate. I saw the Band 3 times in the 90's and Rick once. I do think that the 90's albums hold up. Jubilation in particular is a very strong album that never received the attention it deserved.

Pat, after mocking my preference for Levon Helm and the Rco All-Stars over NL-SC, you made a comment on this guestbook to the effect that you had a copy of the Rco album in your attic (or basement) and hadn't listened to it in decades. I find it quite obnoxious that someone can disparage a record that they admittedly haven't listened to in decades. Did I misinterpret that somehow?


Entered at Tue Jul 14 10:10:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Sean. More please!


Entered at Tue Jul 14 10:06:34 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

Been listening to Cahoots quite a bit over the last week. Still not sure if it's better or less better than NLSC though I think it contains Richards last great vocals. (THose Moondog songs are great but technically not as good vocally IMHO).

I agree that Dirt Farmer was the best thing to come out after the OQ years. I loved "Robbie Robertson" when it was released but find it dated now. But if I had two choose two tracks I'd go for Java Blues and The Sea to the North.


Entered at Tue Jul 14 03:07:43 CEST 2015 from (80.111.175.222)

Posted by:

Seán

Location: Ireland

Subject: Who cares / Hookers / Street Walker (s)

Life is a continuum, and then some received wisdom or other kuffs it up...

Everybody has feet of clay. No-one here gets out al... In the future, everyone will be an asshole for 15 years.

You can't believe what you read in the paper, or on the internet. Don't even answer your door.

All mediated information is suspect :) Says who? I heard it from my dog. Snausages, he said. Then he said 'Rough, rough'. A nympho walked into a taxidermist's shop and said "I'm dead."

We would know nothing about all those famous people who turned out to be some class of deviant/pervert/mass-murderer if they were not famous in the first place. Film-makers, artists, musicians, moguls, philanthropists... bastards! I hope they die roaring. Do I continue to admire (watch, view, listen etc.) their work? Yes, I don't. Double negative, you say. Conflicted, I say. :(

tl/dr Read those Smoke Signals correctly. Have a mule in reserve in case Jethro goes mad. Only get into Cahoots if you can easily get out again. Be ready if you find yourself on that lonesome trail with no coverage some night. :D

mtl/dr Tipos lure. I wanted to be a poofreader, but they said my fingers were too far. Personality, I thing the keys were too smell.

Steve, I know you would have grokked this post - stones and all. :)


Entered at Tue Jul 14 01:08:27 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Ben, raising the thought that I haven't listened to the post LW combo enough is pretty laughable on your part.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:49:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.101.38)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Honky Tonk

Where does the Band's version of this song come from?


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:34:55 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd agree, Jon. "Dirt Farmer" in particular was the best post 1990 album of those mentioned.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:22:34 CEST 2015 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I quite enjoyed the 1990s Band, with Jubilation still being a particular fave, and 'back in the day' I followed every release (Band, Band solo, side projects) with great anticipation. A few of you might remember the NY-area concert reviews I posted back then.

I have to admit though, I rarely listen to any of the 90s albums anymore. From today's perspective, I prefer Levon's Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt and LHB live release albums, where I think Levon and his group tapped into some excellent content and a more interesting range of musical styles...it's subjective, but for me those are well standing the test of time. I love those albums, and feel lucky that I was around to see Levon's great comeback.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:05:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

P.S. And Robbie did write the songs.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 22:01:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A lot of problems go back to views on discussion. Many people … I nearly put educated people but won’t … enjoy heated discussion. If I disagree with your view that say (Freddie and The Dreamers were the world’s best band) it does not mean I despise, dislike, hate, disregard you … it only means we have different tastes. My mum was a prime example. My brother-in-law is a politician with right wing views. Every Christmas we had very heated discussions that we both thoroughly enjoyed. My mum could never understand it. She thought it meant we hated each other and were about to fight. Far from it. We’re good friends with opposing political views.

I see so much of it here. Most normal people enjoy the discussion. Others, like Butch, think we are in mortal combat to the death because one of us thinks The Same Thing was a dull boogie unworthy of great musicians. While another thinks it’s akin to Strawberry Fields Forever or the 1812 Overture. That’s sad. It just means some people don’t understand “discussion.”

But NLSC is way better than Cahoots. Or High On The Hog. Ot Jubilation.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 21:38:41 CEST 2015 from (174.236.227.89)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: That Same Thing

Not a lot of time to comment in detail at the moment, but I will say that I listen to Cahoots more frequently than NLSC.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 19:28:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Big Foot

I'll tell you what I've got on today … Big Foot by Jim Weider & The Honky Tonk Gurus, pulled off the shelf because I'm listening to a lot of Jimmy Cliff … I'm going to see him on Sunday and I wanted to hear Many Rivers To Cross, one that the 90s Band should really, really have put on an album. It was magnificent live. You will recall that the Honky Tonk Gurus on this track included Richard Bell on piano and organ and Randy Ciarlante on drums, so half the 90s Band. Wonderful playing. What is so good is Richard Bell's organ, which like the original plays rich and low … allowing Jim's guitar to enter stinging high up … just like Jimmy Cliff's voice on the original. First rate Randy drumming too.

Oh, yes. I forgot. We allegedly only knock the 90s Band here. Damn! I've just praised them.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 19:00:07 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, good luck and I am happy you find value where you do.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 18:49:30 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I stand by my post. I think that the constituency who post on the guestbook has changed dramatically in the last 5 or 10 years. There you used to be a much larger group of people who valued the the live performances and recordings of the Band in the 1980's and 1990's.

Pat, when was the last time you listened to 'Levon Helm and the RCO All-Stars', 'Jericho', 'High on the Hog' or 'Jubilation?. Your put-downs of all of these albums might have some measure of credibility if you had actually listened to them this decade. I can assure that I've listed to 'Cahoots' again within the last 2 weeks and my opinion hasn't changed. I Still think it's sub-par and by far the worst studio album released by The Band.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 18:31:06 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: when the rumour, comes to your town

You can’t believe in everything you hear
And only half of what you see

False witness spread the news
Somebody’s gonna lose

So – don’t you say a word
Or repeat a thing you’ve heard

Pay no mind to what they say
When they’re bitter they talk that way

Brought up everybody to see for themselves
They wouldn’t believe it from no one else

You don’t believe what you read in the paper
You can’t believe the stranger at your door
You don’t believe what you hear from your neighbour

Was it something that somebody said?


Entered at Mon Jul 13 17:50:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, I love that "attack dogs" thing you trot out. You see, I'm a real iconoclast in that I love Cahoots. So when attack dogs come out with the usual attacks on Cahoots, I rise to defend it.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 17:46:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I doubt Butch's relationship with Levon had anything to do with the supposed "vilification".


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:55:58 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, I've been in & out of here since the summer of 02. Aside from the constituency, the only thing that's changed is the level of insanity has dropped. It's far calmer here now.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:53:18 CEST 2015 from (24.168.42.194)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: Sorry John Donabie,, my error,

I did not mean Donabie, i meant Viney,, my mistake, John Donabie is aTrue Member of The Band family always. viney on the other hand,, yeah no,, Sorry Mr Donabie, truly, love to Ala,


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:37:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk

Rick co-wrote the words, and apposite it often is, but anyway, in doing the Jackie DeShannon future Toppermost, she also covered Small Town Talk. Worth a listen for some different ideas (LINKED). My favorite version, just edging the Bobby Charles, remains Geoff Muldaur and Amos Garrett on Paul Butterfield Better Days "It All Comes Back" but this is a different take on it.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:27:48 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I don't think any disrespect was intended by the misspelling of a last name. That seems pretty clear.

I do agree with Butch that this guestbook has turned into a very anti post last waltz Band. It seems very acceptable to gush over any Robbie Robertson solo work, but god forbid if you say something positive about Levon and the Rco All-stars, or state a preference for the Band's 90's albums over, say 'Cahoots', then the attack dogs come out.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 15:09:26 CEST 2015 from (76.15.41.42)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Butch

I haven't been here(on this GB)long,but I've been around the music,Woodstock,etc. for awhile.It was a pleasure having met you and I honor your friendship with Levon.Ata ish tov.Shalom lecha v'ha mishpacha.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 14:54:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LEVON HELM and THE BAND_GREAT DRIVES THEME

"Levon Helm and The Band recorded the theme music for the PBS MiniSeries "Great Drives: Highway 61" in 1996. Levon was the show host. Theme written by Mark Leggett, recorded by The Band in Woodstock NY. This is the extended version with video compiled from the show.

If you can find the full program, it is an excellent documentary of Levon traveling Highway 61 from Chicago to New Orleans interviewing old friends and new friends alike. Exploring great American music history along the way."


Entered at Mon Jul 13 14:20:02 CEST 2015 from (24.168.42.194)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: 1 last time

Bonk, et al, i have been insulted, lied about, vilified and worse so many times here that i cant count. my crime is having been dear friends with Levon and the 90's Band. Lou Myles was a friend and it bothered me to see his name misspelled. The responses prove my point. donabie, jeff and many other old timers either resent, hate or just envious of my friendships and Road Days,, i dont know nor could care less. the destruction of Jan's Page is hideously irreversible and i left here. i came back for ol Lou and that is all. see ya,, hate to be ya,, 😎


Entered at Mon Jul 13 12:53:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Move To Japan....Garth and Sister Maud Hudson at Ingersoll Canterbury Folk Festival July 11, 2015.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 12:50:00 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

July 11, 2015
Sister Maud and Garth Hudson - Blind Willie McTell

"Canterbury Folk Festival, Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada. This was the final song of their show.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 09:32:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bonk: A nice personal memory, which you gave us, is better than cold remonstration. Anyway, nowadays you don't need to do a typo … predictive text changes any unusual spelling to a more frequent word without asking you. I tried typing it with a "y" and it switched to "i". Usually I notice and change it back, but not always.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 07:56:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bonk, nothing you did was disrespectful. Everyone knows that.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 04:36:21 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Pat B

I'm missing something here. Pat B. carlgraham@mac.com


Entered at Mon Jul 13 04:11:36 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bonk, do you really need an answer to that question? I doubt all that many took your misspelling as a sign of disrespect.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 02:50:45 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Butch

You know what Butch. I guess I should have said 'RIP Luigi Cocomile" That was Lou's real name. How come every time you jump on here in the last little while your posts are full of venom and put downs? Do you ever have anything nice to say? I know the history of you and the boys, so why don't you take the time and tell the rest of us some great anecdotes of your time with the group. I for one would love it! And please don't say that 'I tried, 3, 5 10 years ago, but all I got was grief. We're all getting older Butch and some time soon, it won't matter anymore.


Entered at Mon Jul 13 02:25:01 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Butch

I stand corrected. And I knew the correct spelling. Just to fast on the keyboard.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 21:57:04 CEST 2015 from (70.209.144.92)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: Lou Myles R. I. P.

Please show the proper respect to a great man and a dear friend of Levon, The Hawks +The Band by spelling Lou's name correctly. MYLES please,, thank you,,


Entered at Sun Jul 12 20:05:41 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

An interesting story about the internet. Almost 20 years ago I started posting here. I was lucky enough to get to "know" the esteemed webmaster, and I followed with interest the journey of his talented musical son. Yesterday at a huge festival in Chicago, my collegiate daughter and her EDM crazed boyfriend went to see the webmaster's son who was one of the headliners. Thanks to the webmaster's efforts, my daughter enjoyed the VIP treatment and had the time of her life. Last night I tipped my glass to the esteemed webmaster and his talented son for giving my daughter an epic memory. Thank you, Jan. Thank you, Magnus-CC.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:55:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert, your first and second instruction worried me. Around here, it's considered unfair and against all rules to take a fly on a flat surface. The third point was a relief, like me you think it only fair to take the fly when it's in the air.


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:42:55 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Professional Fly Catching

Peter is right, every Band head should know how to catch a fly. The next GB gathering will hold a fly catching contest above a pile of shit. Anyway a professional tip:

1) Find a fly. Wait for it to land on an open surface free of clutter (such as a table).

2) Position your hand about 1 foot (0.3 m) (30 cm) behind the fly and 3 inches (8 cm) above the surface. Your palm should be open with your thumb toward the fly. Rotate your hand so that your palm is facing diagonally down and towards the fly.

3) With a quick motion, move your hand over the fly keeping it about 3 inches above the surface at all times. As your hand reaches the point above where the fly landed, close your hand quickly. The fly will be startled by the quick motion and will take off directly into your palm!


Entered at Sun Jul 12 18:21:29 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.229)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: townes

see the link


Entered at Sun Jul 12 13:50:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Fly

Just back from the supermarket. The checkout assistant was being troubled by a persistent small fly. "It's been driving me mad for half an hour," she complained swatting the air ineffectually.

It flew towards my pot of basil and I took it out in mid-air. She and the assistant on the neighbouring check out applauded. "How did you do that?" they said. They were both under twenty. How could I explain that it takes nearly forty years of studying Robbie Robertson in The Last Waltz?


Entered at Sun Jul 12 10:11:32 CEST 2015 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Acadian Driftwood

"We stood on the cliffs and watched the ships, slowly sinking to their rendezvous"

Terry's comments give even more meaning to the song and link them to another favorite of mine.

"Hear the sound, Willie Boy, The Flyin' Dutchman's on the reef..."


Entered at Sun Jul 12 05:21:17 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.25)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: nous pouvons parler de ca maintenant

Terry: Thanks for your thoughts on "Acadian Driftwood". The cold front paragraph reminded me of a line from MFBP - "But I'd rather be burned in Canada than to freeze here in the south".


Entered at Sun Jul 12 03:11:37 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Tony Bennett, Amy Winehouse - Body and Soul Complete Video


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:54:21 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

In The Studio with Tony Bennett & Amy Winehouse


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:33:48 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

New documentary ‘Amy’ reveals an artist greater than her downfall.
I want to see it again.....Near the beginning we see a 14 year old Amy singing "Happy Birthday" to one of her best friends.....huuge jazzzz inflections and all......That's all it took......I was engaged and mesmerized. Brilliant!

Best wishes to Garth and Maud tonight. Working this weekend....so Adam......report back please!


Entered at Sun Jul 12 02:21:30 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: LOU MILES

Rest in peace Mr. Miles. Bespoke Tailer to the Hawks and The Band. I got my first tailor made strides (stovepipes) made in his store on Yonge Street in 1966. Thought I was the cats ass. This guy was the clothier to every act that ever passed through Toronto.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 21:50:54 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

I second that: Terry, thanks.

Jeff thanks, we do birthdays and funerals too.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 21:14:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Many thanks, Terry … I had no idea of the double meaning of "rendezvous" though Robbie, via Dominique, would have known.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:48:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Biography please

There is a lot of interest in biographies that document the individuals in The Band. They all had their unique abilities and characteristics and it was those which made them great as a unit. Garth and Maud I hope are hard at work at their book (if not, autobiography is the best with help from someone who cares deeply about the music) and we know we will soon see Robbie's work. To receive Rick Danko next year would be wonderful. Many knew Richard and someone (perhaps his son with help) should take this on. And Amy, that would be a labour of love. I would buy them all and treasure them as I do the recordings.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:44:01 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.152)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norb & NWC, you guys that start your names with N are regular fucking riots these days.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 19:17:35 CEST 2015 from (70.83.162.183)

Posted by:

Terry

Location: Montreal

Subject: Acadian Driftwood - rendezvous

just a note about the use of rendezvous.

rendez vous, also means give up, or surrender, in the imperative

Robbie likes his double meanings, as do his many fans

The ships sinking on the horizon going off to their rendezvous, is part of the general sense of inevitable doom, oncoming loss and destiny. This image is spoken in the voice of someone having gone through it all (in fact, wanting to go back after having tried to establish a home in the south). It is in the voice of an Acadian looking back at a time just preceding the expulsions.

So, using the irreverent mix and match of English and French common to Acadians, it is easy to feel multiple senses of ships going down on the horizon to their rendezvous. It is not a clinical description, but a metaphor sparked by the illusion of ships going down as they get farther away, flavoured with the echo in the word rendezvous, of the double sense of destiny and in this case, inevitable loss.

And, just as easily felt but perhaps just as long to describe, is Robbie's expressing the imposed vagrancy of the Acadians, and mixing it with his own exile as a Canadian musician having to go south to seek his fortune.

This last point is why I would disagree with assuming the Canadian cold front is uniquely a foreign and hostile event. It is entrenched deeply in the speaker, and in Robbie. In the blood. It is Robbie empathising with the Acadian, driven from his home in the north, but finding himself rootless in the southern turf, longing to go home.

That is the central, if by no means only, reason for the more notable modern expressions in the song.

So says me. Or rather, I. Or rather, so I type. Cause that's the way language works, of course, all jumbled up and jivey. Plus ça chante, plus c'est la même

T


Entered at Sat Jul 11 14:01:56 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Quintessential Crazy Chester

Rick Danko Biography

The Rick Danko Biography is coming soon.....

Posted 4 days ago by Carol Caffin


Entered at Sat Jul 11 13:18:20 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Shootout In China Town

I didn't know that Norbert writes Haiku poems. Another midle years crisis symptome, maybe :-)

A late Canadian gber posted once: "If you ever come to Canada you will be in trouble!" This was only because I posted my recipe for a wok sauce: (and this is the time when Canadians with weak nerves should push the scroll button) - take 50% cheap soya sauce from your local super market and add 50% high quality Canadian maple syrup - and mix them together.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 12:37:47 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Grab Grass Triple Haiku: Wong's Soy Sauce

Take my hand to soy sauce land
“This is for the rice cooker,”
“This is for the pork,” that’s what he said

He knows what his buyers like
Wong’s soy sauce is not so technical.
Just trial and error, that’s what he said

He tried to sell his premium sauce in Canada.
The project flopped. “They just want soy sauce
They can’t tell the difference,” that’s what he said.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 03:26:19 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: New Mexicoe

Link is to Bobby Charles with Rick singing harmony. It's been a cold miserable day on the coast, 9 effin degrees. Bobby Charles to the rescue. Makes it all warm and cozy. Goes well with Tennessee whiskey too.


Entered at Sat Jul 11 02:08:23 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Excellent point, Kevin. As long as my memory cells remain intact and don't stray. So far so good. And if they do, I can thank Mr. V's old chum Serge for those excellent photos that he took at the former Brass Rail in my adopted town to jar me awake. And make me smile. Thanks, by the way, Serge.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 22:57:04 CEST 2015 from (87.144.169.176)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: 喜馬

An Australian backpacker has reported in June about a karaoke bar 喜馬 in Chengdu China where they play TLW every Friday night.

They’ve got 5 mics and till dawn intoxicated Chinese managers sing The Weight etc. It has become a "local hit" over there.

“Every Chinese has his ‘own’ favorite Band song that he rehearses at home so often that he can sing along perfectly.”


Entered at Fri Jul 10 21:07:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Friday release date means that I won't be going on about new records on Monday and everyone in North America complaining they're not out till Tuesday. The "more confident" indie record shops have been putting out "Monday's releases" on the previous Saturday for a while, though HMV sticks to the rules.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 20:57:06 CEST 2015 from (50.206.41.114)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Mike Nomad.......even as that Chinese stock your retirement fund holds dips and twirls towards zero, at least you can scream out "fuck it, I saw The Hawks.........what do I have? Nazareth in 1978....Jumping Jesus.

Thanks for the notice on the new Jason Isbell, Bob F.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 20:51:58 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the people have spoken: "New Music Fridays"

"Beginning [today], at least 45 different countries will shift their weekly album release days to Friday, giving music fans even more reason to look forward to the weekend."


Entered at Fri Jul 10 19:02:34 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Birthday girl Mavis Staples and Amy Helm!


Entered at Fri Jul 10 17:37:56 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

jh, just emailed you.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 17:24:30 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

Hm. Is Brennan out there?


Entered at Fri Jul 10 14:29:57 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.152)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Today's Pop Tarts!

Time To Lick The Doughnuts!

Once upon a time, you could blame the acid.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 11:08:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Punching in … yes, of course, if it’s a great take and everything worked except a couple of minor corrections. But I was often working at 20 seconds or 40 seconds, rather than 2 to 5 minutes, and I found the actors would rather re-do it than sit there watching the engineer farting around then saying OK, the problem was on “Sit” so just say it again and I’ll punch it in. (I do remember an actor with a particularly spitty delivery, who kept making “Sit!” sound like “Shit!” and that WAS a punch in case because you want to isolate and focus on the problem).

It’s also true that there tends to a curve of improvement, then it plateaus, then either they start elaborating too much, or get bored and flatten. But you usually get the best spoken voice one within five or six takes. It’s different with a really long story on audio. There you always punch in … the accomplished radio actors who specialize in audio books can read for thirty minutes without taking a break. They hardly ever fluff a line, the most common issue is where they’re using accents or tone to differentiate character and wander into the wrong one.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 10:58:46 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Responses to "Dylan in Montreal in 1962"

Once again, thanks everyone.

Rob Bowman: Back in the late-1970s and early-1980s, I had a very good contact in Ottawa and, through him, some less frequent contact with a few other Canadians. One of those was Rob, though it was very intermittent. In 1992, I met Rob briefly in the lobby of the Eastman Theatre in Rochester, NY. Unfortunately, I had got there driving through the night from somewhere down in Pennsylvania and was not exactly in conversational mode, so it was more like a brief greeting. Memory suggests that Rob is a bit younger than I am, so I'm not sure just how much he may recall from that era.

Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. Harvey's name came to me from a brief mention in SING OUT! magazine in early 1962. After mentioning the "folk places", it said that there was some kind of (financial?) support for encouraging Canadian performers and then suggested contacting Harvey who had details of similar venues in Canada. Now, if he still had that list, it might be very useful.



Entered at Fri Jul 10 08:37:46 CEST 2015 from (84.215.150.160)

Posted by:

jh

DJ Windy: Did you get the details regarding tomorrow's festival gig? There's a way too eager spam-filter here that may have eaten legit e-mails the last couple of weeks.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 03:26:48 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.134)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ian W: The Treble Clef in Ottawa was Harvey Glatt's record store (and eventually chain) in Ottawa, not another club. I know Harvey and would be happy to relay questions.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 23:57:27 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Randy Meisner In The News

Very Sad. Read the link.


Entered at Fri Jul 10 00:19:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rob Bowman again

Rob Bowman remains associate professor of ethnomusicology at York University, Toronto, as of the 2013 listing of faculty. You should be able to communicate with him, Ian, if you wish.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 23:28:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rob Bowman

I agree. I forgot about Rob Bowman.(great writer and very knowledgeable) He would be a great source of information. I haven't spoken or seen him in a long time. (since 90s). You should see if you can contact him. (he wrote notes for lps and was aware of all that Dylan was doing). He taught at York University in north Toronto. I'm not sure if he still does?


Entered at Thu Jul 9 22:53:17 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: NPR First Listen Jason Isbell

NPR First Listen streaming Jason Isbell's new record.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 19:58:45 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Kevin J

You'd probably be collecting your pensions by now, Kevin, and checking your dwindling retirement plans. And watching your diet, having your blood pressure checked, and . . . and . . . and . . .


Entered at Thu Jul 9 19:58:13 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Rob Bowman

Ian, in the late 70's early 80's I use to do a lot of trading with Rob Bowman out of Toronto. We'd always see him at the shows. I would think he'd be a great source for information on Dylan in Canada. I'm sure you've crossed paths with him. He was a really great guy.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:14:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian, the trouble with scanning LPs and stitching together is the very slight lip round the platen which defocusses one side slightly as it's raised. I assume the answer is to get an A3 scanner.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:11:45 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the car today … BBC Radio 4, programme on the radio documentary maker Dennis Mitchell, which had something on Studs Terkel and Chicago. Anyway, huge organ sound came in and I'd swear it was a version of the "Chest Fever" intro … then it faded away though still bits of organ in the background. I was in very heavy traffic so not full attention, then it had one of those REALLY annoying bits on radio where the sound effect is a police siren and you think it's real.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:03:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.65.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rochdale Link - Mynah Birds

I used to like to imagine a fantasy night on the town and it involved being transported back in time to early 1960's Yonge Street and stepping into a club to see Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks and also a set of just The Hawks........after looking at some of those great posters, pictures and ads in the Rochdale link, I would add a 2:30am nightcap at the Mynah Bird Coffee house for some body painting !


Entered at Thu Jul 9 18:02:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Storm

Having seen storms in the Mississippi Valley and in Canada, what we had was not unusual … except it was for here. we rarely get sheet lightning, and we rarely get simultaneous strikes … see photos on the point of people phoning in interesting shots. We got water coming in the house two places … and we're on top of a hill, but the drive has an incline towards the house, and by one door there was about four inches of water. But the point of the link, is some of those are Smartphone photos.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 17:19:06 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- your production approach with doing takes- in general, i agree. Doing it until you have it ...... Things improve. Yet, as you know, sometimes, after you have greatness, in song vocals, sometimes, punching in word here or there, or a line here or there, does work exceptionally well and you gotta do it. OR taking a word, words, line or lines from another take, or another section... might work too.

but also, you never know when another take gives you a mona lisa. When you are working with huge talent, that is always there, you know it , and the artist knows it too. Sometimes, artists are reluctant geniuses, sometimes they aren't. The greats know they got it.... ( ....still.... sometimes.......)

a great dilemma is to have several fucking amazing takes , or several amazing takes of the same sections even.... which happens....

comp charts are necessary

And all these fucking jokers ( they are everywhere) who think and tell people that they should be able to make records for 5 or 10 thousand bucks are out of their fucking minds.....

It's a huge, GINORMOUS expense of time, talent, and money, and it should be - the promotion of the idea that it isn't and doesn't have to be is a crime committed by the profiteers who push technology. People can believe it but then they should also believe that $1.00 Big Macs are health food.

Democratization of music making? Bullshit- it's the theft of the art of creating and making music.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 17:18:50 CEST 2015 from (99.249.67.189)

Posted by:

GregD

Subject: Rochdale (not Roachdale)

An interesting look back at the Yorkville Village/Rochdale scene. I forget the exact details, but I think for $50 you could get a Masters' degree from Rochdale, and $100 got you a Ph.D. I don't think the subject mattered.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 16:58:16 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- My response is conversation, not argument. Your reference to horses for courses and illustration ties in to the dumbing down of music & musical delivery. You are aware of it- your reference to how the under 80 minute presentation does not present true delivery that allows or transmits to the reader / listener an actual pleasant and valuable experience....I liken that to listening to newscasters and broadcasters speak to rapidly while delivering the news and weathercasts...

ALso, i think it was just a result of fast internet thinking / typing on your part - ** digital relation strikes yet again**- but i'll point out that smartphone analogy was not mine, that i just pointed out that the analogy used in the article was poor. People start out familiar with photography , and taking a picture and playing with it digitally is nothing like mastering a record.

A truly great mastering engineer with a pleasant bedside manner is increasingly a rare thing. The equipment and room involved is also not something to be taken lightly. Great engineers are not necessarily great mastering engineers. But great mastering engineers do have to start somewhere, they aren't born that way. A great mastering engineer is invaluable.......... and believe me, the wrong mastering engineer is akin to the rapist that gives someone an STD or even HIV.

The price has changed. the article indicated 1000 to 2000 for a album..... It used to be far more expensive. 4 to 7 thousand was not unusual, probably still isn't, higher is or was possible........You can find great mastering engineers today to do a 12 song project for under $2000.00 .......Many? i dunno. But i have one of the true greats, & if it was recorded digitally he'll bring the project in under 2000.00....But that is very very reasonable for a great mastering job........... whhc is contrary to what the article indicated......


Entered at Thu Jul 9 16:10:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Canada; lightning photographed;scanning LP sleeves

Dylan in Canada in early 1960s:

I've known the guy who does "Still On The Road" for quite some time and the content of his various Dylan is a wonderful and all but indispensable compilation of information from other sources rather than based on original research. Also, the "Still On The Road" site that was linked here is a listing of known recordings.

Lightning photographed

We had the same storm pass over us here a few days ago in the early hours of the morning. The photos that were shown on TV were of lightning bolts, whereas we experienced the whole sky lighting up almost like daylight. I took out my compact camera, placed it against a window in a back bedroom and clicked away, afterwards deleting shots that showed nothing. One looked really good (almost like daylight) until I checked the data and discovered the shutter had stayed open for 8 seconds. However, I did get others where, on adjacent shots with the same date and time recorded, you get a dark one with just lights in windows of other houses (woken by the thunder, I guess) and the next one much brighter but the same lights visible - and we're talking of the whole sky lit up white. In each case, the shutter was open for one quarter of a second.

LP sleeves photographed:

My printer is nothing special but has a scanner function which includes "stitch assist", so I can scan the left hand side or top part of an image, then the right hand side or bottom part, and then join the two together. I have to set the scanner to "do" the whole platen, rather than a standard page, and the platen is 11½", not 12", so it trims ¼" all round the edge, which is usually OK for my purposes - but maybe not for a book.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 15:30:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Whoops JT not JR

I'm not from Dallas and I don't have an alias.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 15:28:51 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JR

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Canada 1961-1962

The problem is that in certain books and articles, there are comments made by authors that Dylan played here or there in 1961 in Canada (Toronto and Montreal) and yet those events do NOT appear in any listing like the one you showed from 'Still On The Road'. What would be good would be if anyone who was at those shows could confirm. There must be a few 65-80 year olds who were there. Let us know.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 12:09:57 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan

STILL ON THE ROAD
1961 CONCERTS AND RECORDING SESSIONS

No Canadian reference? However, Fidgan Club is mentioned in another section of his research....1962 Concerts and Recording Sessions


Entered at Thu Jul 9 11:44:32 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Urban Legend #347
Bob Dylan & Neil Diamond encounter at The Last Waltz


Entered at Thu Jul 9 10:50:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I was talking to a musician friend recently about the difference the genius of a really top mastering engineer makes to a record. Huge, he told me.

There are all these choices … take Jeff’s camera analogy. OK, you have a full frame or half frame camera and great skill and get it right. Or you have a really good digital camera and add Photoshop skills. Or you go easy and use iPhoto. Or you use a Smart Phone and built in photo program. There’s a whole art form building on Smartphones in fact … we had a spectacular thunderstorm on Friday night, and the local paper online published 20 or so images. Some pro photographers, some great ones were Smart Phone.

For the Record Collecting book that keeps stalling, I scan anything up to flatbed size, but then take photos for larger like 10” or 12”. I have a framing set where you lock the camera, use lights, and get an image. I find I can get just as good by laying an LP flat on the floor, taking 20 digital pictures then straightening the best one in iPhoto which is vastly easier to use for simple straightening than Photoshop– I know how to do it in Photoshop but for this simple task, it’s so much faster in iPhoto.

It’s horses for courses. As I’ve often said, I got really pissed off with engineers for spoken voice recordings relying on Pro-Tools for everything. On one five day session, the producer was sick part way through, phoned and told me to produce. The engineer was REALLY pissed off with me, because first I wouldn’t let him record the first take at all. and second I wouldn’t let him use Pro Tools to correct actor slips … we’re talking 4 to 10 line dialogues. I just did them again. That's actually faster than sitting there watching the engineer fiddling around with Pro Tools and dropping in one word. What’s happened with spoken voice is they do one recording, first take and drop in any corrections. I prefer to do it till the actors get it right … they do in six or seven takes, and they ALWAYS improve nuances and performance by doing it more. The other thing, with “audio books” is if you end up with 83 minutes, no one puts it out as 2 CDs. They speed up, eliminate gaps and get it below the 80 minute limit. This is not great for ELT / ESL where pauses allow catch up time for listeners and speed is crucial.

On the other hand though, in the last ten years, if you do an ELT / ESL story, you have to give the audio away free … we used to sell loads in the cassette era. It started as free CDs bound with the book, and moved to MP3 online only. I’m disinclined to use a studio for a free MP3 of one person reading a story, and for that Garage Band does a good enough job at home with a decent microphone.


Entered at Thu Jul 9 02:38:02 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.222)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Article That Sadavid Linked

Good & appropriate pun Sadavid, cause certainly, this is one more coil of nails shot into the coffin in which music is being buried alive.

Comparing this program ( as the article points out some do) to smartphone photography is a poor analogy - the average person knows how to take a picture with a camera.......the average person could not master a record even poorly. The average engineer does not master a record- though many and more & more try...


Entered at Wed Jul 8 20:48:28 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: algorithm & blues

Montreal start-up offers software that automates the mastering process.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 17:22:46 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Rochdale

Kevin J: Nice link. Thanks. I remember Rochdale and its environs well and was there a few times in the early days to see what it was all about (my early UofT days). I avoided it like a plague soon after as it deteriorated.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 16:30:25 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: a fabulous look back at the Gerrad Village and Yorkville scenes in Toronto. Some of the best pictures and posters I have ever scene from that era......Ian Tyson 1960-62.....The Village Corner club, check out the line-up in one of the Riverboat posters.....

brown eyed girl.........Front row seats it is ! We'll charge it to Ian and make sure we have photos to prove it actually happenned.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 16:19:06 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1961 or 1962

There are indeed references to Bob Dylan attending readings and/or playing at the Bohemian Embassy (coffee house) on Nicholas St. in Toronto (in one his age is given as 17/ clearly wrong) but they are flimsy. Anyway have 'more striking' confirmation of Dylan playing Toronto in 1961.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 15:22:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Uggh! The Satallites not the Skatalites. And how could I have forgotten Leroy Sibbles at the Bambooooooo?!
After seeing Bob Marley and the new Wailers in 1979....No one even comes close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reggae Toronto Introduction Link

Happy Healthy Wednesday everyone!


Entered at Wed Jul 8 15:04:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Bill M...Here is where I always saw the Skatalites. So many great memories at this club. One of my friends was having her 40th birthday here and who is sitting right across from us? Molly Johnson from formerly Alta Moda. I also celebrated many birthdays here. I never saw Eugene Smith perform here but I saw him only at Hotel Cali along with Downchild Blues Band. Another fun place to hear great music.

The other great venue of course (many others at the time like Hotel Isabella where I saw Paul James a lot and Tony Bird and The Gasworks and Larry's Hideaway.) was The Horseshoe Tavern where I saw to name a few....Jesse Winchester, Blue Rodeo, Skydiggers, Genya Raven, Rick Danko Tribute with BARK and Richard Bell. Garth was a no-show for some reason......How could I have missed Robbie with Rick and Colin Linden?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I just remembered the other amazing place for 7.00 a show was at Ontario Place where we saw, Roy Orbison, Grover Washington, Dan Hill, Gladys Night and The Pips, The Romantics, Doug and The Slugs, Jennifer Warner, Smokey Robinson, Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes, 54-40 and the list goes on and on........Sorry for all the lists.....Just exercising my memory here. Anyway, the best place in the world? Whereever there is music!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Wed Jul 8 14:33:28 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian W...You may be right as 1961 isn't listed for Dylan performing in Montreal.

Hey Kevin J....If you get some beer for all of your research; what do I get for all the research since 2002?! Don't answer that....However, no beer as I can't stand it and I don't really care for alcohol and I don't catch a fire anymore so....How about if Robbie ever performs here I get front row seats!!! ;-D


Entered at Wed Jul 8 14:26:31 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"According to Shimon Ash, owner of the Finjan club in Montreal, Bob Dylan played at his club in 1962 for $12 and in exchange for a place to crash for two weeks before he headed off to New York. He stayed at Shimon’s place. One of the local folksingers decided to record the session."


Entered at Wed Jul 8 13:19:41 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Toronto and Canadian coffee houses in the early 1960s

There has always been a question mark in my mind about Dylan visiting Toronto in December 1961. It would take rather too much time and space to explain the reasoning behind my reservation.

Izzy Young's 'Frets and Frails' column in SING OUT! magazine (Feb-Mar 1962 issue) says "Le Hibou is a new folkplace in Ottawa ..." and goes on to mention others: the Happy Medium in Hamilton, the Purple Onion in Toronto and the Black Fly in North Bay. He also writes that can get "information about this new informal coffee house circuit in Canada" from "Harvey Glatt, c/o The Treble Clef, 104 Bank Street, Ottawa", presumably another venue.


Entered at Wed Jul 8 07:58:36 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Dylan 1961 Toronto

Bob Dylan hung out in the long gone but legendary Gerrard Village in Toronto........he also spent time at The Bohemian Embassy.....not sure whether he played it, but likely...........someone please buy me a beer for all this bleeping research !


Entered at Wed Jul 8 07:23:29 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Toronto 1961-62

Robert Shelton in his book ("No Direction Home") and Clinton Heylin in his book ("Revolution In The Air") speak of Dylan playing a coffee house in Toronto likely prior to 1962. Which one it was I cannot ascertain. Does anybody know its name?


Entered at Wed Jul 8 04:49:20 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Read This: The Ugly Truth About The Streaming Services

Anyone reading the articles all along, anyone paying attention the last several years, knew this was a ponzi scheme. It's kinda like watching the fall of wall street, fall of the auto industry, with no bail out... where the author misses something- is that not all artists can go the route he advises. Most can't...... management, backing, a structure too, are all needed & very necessary........being creative in the manner required & running a full time business, ain't happening. Without the gelt & the business being minded, you're S. O. L. (Shit out of Luck)


Entered at Wed Jul 8 01:56:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan in Montreal (and beyond) in 1962

It was the Potpourri engagement that brought Dylan to Montreal in 1962. The Potpourri, in the previous and following weeks, had booked other New York based folksingers. Therefore, in that sense, Dylan's booking was nothing special. It was just one of the small venues (clubs, coffee-houses, student shows and the likes) that he played that year.

I cannot recall him playing any other Canadian cities in 1962, though there was a report that he was in Toronto in December 1961 with Gil Turner and that he played a coffee-house there.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in the early 60s

It is interesting to note that Dylan may have done other coffee house dates in Canada and perhaps in other places, though there is little in the records to confirm this. When I started to look into Montreal in 1962, there is at least one reference to playing at the Potpourri coffee house (I was not aware of this). I wonder how many other coffee houses and clubs Dylan played at in Canada (Toronto and Montreal) of which there is little record. Any of your who were around in those days or know someone who was should add to the conversation.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 19:42:57 CEST 2015 from (78.25.226.140)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sonny and Terry

I can follow the word association trail, Ian. Chocolate Brownie ... Sonny And Brownie ...Sonny and Cher ... Cher ... 60s Girl singer ... Twinkle passed away recently ... Her biggest hit was 'Terry' ... So Sonny and Terry. And back to Sonny Terry.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 18:57:48 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962 - a quick correction

Did I really type "Sonny and Terry" there? Oh, yes, I did! Sorry indeed - Sonny and Brownie, of course.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 18:52:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962

I have, at last, found adverts for Bo Diddley at the Esquire Show Bar in 1962. He had a three week stand there from 25 June, seemingly playing every night in that period, so June and July 1962.

Thanks, BEG, for that link to the site with lots of Canadian folk ephemera. The Finjan advert for Sonny & Terry was a great find but I have yet to locate any other adverts for the Finjan, let alone for the week that Dylan dropped in and got recorded. I shall carry on searching.

Thanks again, everyone - but, if any other thoughts occur to you, please don't hesitate to mention them. I'm all ears - eyes! No, it isn't for a book but it may well be used as background for an article on Dylan's 1962 visit to Montreal.

The clip of "Dig My Grave" (Joseph Spence ?) was terrific! Thanks.



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Re….brown eyed girl’s link……those Ken Danby posters would likely be worth something today….they were nicely done.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 16:47:16 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Some rock n roll stories from Juan Rodriguez

LINKED: Robbie is mentioned in this one wanting to see the notes first......knowing Juan.... A smart move actually.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:25:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Fred! Hope your family is well. When are you coming back home? Burlington hasn't been the same since.
The Japanese group played reggae not ska. As Marley shared in a video....first there was ska, then rock steady and then....reggae and then......the youth incorporated dance hall reggae.
At the time I was a student and had a summer and then fall job at the AGO. One night we ended up at the Rivoli Club after work.

Ian W...All this research for another book?
Fidjan Club in Montreal....5650 Victoria Avenue.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:22:33 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Ian W

The Montreal Press Club was a flourishing institution back in the '60s. Unknow if it had an archivist around, or whether archived files exist today. I don't even know if the club exists today. With demise of the Star, I imagine English-speaking media numbers plummeted, and even more so in the recent decade. But old hands, if you can find them, might point you to archived material. Good luck.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 15:19:08 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Dane Lanken

Ian W: besides writing for the _Gazette_ and in other places, Dane Lanken is married to Anna McGarrigle and contributed bass vocals, when such were required, throughout the McGarrigle oeuvre.

You can see (and hear) him on [My link], a Christian piece sung by one Chaim Tannenbaum.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 13:33:38 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal in 1962

Thanks for the comments and tips, folks.

I have indeed been trying to check out the THE GAZETTE on-line (not just for 1962 but for Dylan's visits in 1966 and 1974, too). There is a good number of issues available (not quite all) but the way the website works is time-consuming. I've tended to concentrate on the Saturday issues, where there was an "Entertainment" section but, sometimes that is missing from what's on-line. I shall continue the task.

As it happens, it looks like THE GAZETTE barely covered the musical scene in which I'm interested in 1962, so there is a lot of looking with only little reward. As for 1966, I've not found an announcement or an advert for Dylan's Place des Arts concert with the Hawks (though I have found a review). The venue did advertise in THE GAZETTE occasionally, however, as I found an ad for a concert there by The Brothers Four in January 1966. It was alongside an advert for Dizzy Gillespie at the Esquire venue but I still haven't found one for Bo Diddley there in June 1962.

In respect of 1974, I do have an original copy of Juan Rodriquez's "18,000 stamp and cheer .." article, which refers to other pieces in the same issue. I have an original of a newspaper photograph of Dylan (next to a headline reading "Bob Dylan's return", a long article by Juan R entitled "Testing .... testing" and another by Bill Mann entitled "Dylan turns to rock - and the result is dynamite". If anyone wishes to have copies of these, I can try to scan them and send them off but it would have to be to regular e-mail addresses.

Incidentally, a Bill Mann review of Dylan in Montreal appeared in MELODY MAKER over here in late January 1974.

What I do not have in original form (that is, I have it but only in photocopy form and in poorish quality at that) is an article entitled " 'He was crazy but I was impressed' " by Dane Lanken. It concerns the 1962 visit and comes from the "Lively Arts" section of THE SATURDAY GAZETTE for January 12, 1974. I would very much like an original copy of that article or, if that is not possible, a decent quality scan or equivalent.

There was also an article in the !0 January 1974 issue of THE GAZETTE in which Bill Graham talks about the tour - I have a photocopy only but haven't yet looked for it on-line.

I have been unable to find anything on-line from THE MONTREAL STAR. In 1962, there were advertisements from clubs and coffee-houses in THE STAR. I have very poor copies taken from a microfilm or microfiche (not by me but by someone else)of two adverts. I subsequently got sent a marginally better copy of one of them. If anyone has access to the archive of THE MONTREAL STAR, please let me know.

As for cafes, coffee-houses and so on in Montreal, the names that have come up are Seven Steps, The Potpourri, New Penelope and Rainbow Bar and Grill - I'm not sure but I think that these are the same place with different names as it passed from one owner to the next. The Potpourri and the Rainbow were certainly at 1430 Stanley and it may have been the San Souci for a while. Other names mentioned were The Fifth Dimension and the Fifth Amendment, which sounds like the latter is the same place as the former with a new name but I don't know. Another is Golem. There was of course the Finjan coffee-house, as on the recording that others have kindly linked, but I don't know its precise address. Another venue on Victoria was Cafe Andre but I'm not sure that it had musical performances of any kind, only plays. There were two places on Crescent (the Boiler Room and the Prague) but these may well have ben later than 1962.

Peter Gzowski was in Montreal from November 1961 until the end of 1962 and apparently mentions seeing Bo Diddley there. I assume that this was at the Esquire in June 1962 (or possibly July 1962) but I'd welcome any documentary evidence of Bo Diddley's appearance there in 1962. He returned to the venue in 1964.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:54:41 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal Gazette

One other idea, Ian. You probably thought of this already, but checking out the archives of The Montreal Gazette may help and also the ads (if they can be found) for entertainment in that newspaper from the 1960s.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:51:17 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: More Montreal coffee houses

More Montreal coffee houses of the 1960s.

1. The Potpourri (Dylan may have played there)

2. The Seven Steps

By the way, I found that The Yellow Door started in 1967, probably too late for what you are looking for, Ian.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:41:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal Coffee Houses

My limited research so far of coffee houses of the 60's in Montreal finds

1. Finjan Club

2. Yellow Door

3. The Limelight


Entered at Tue Jul 7 07:25:09 CEST 2015 from (99.233.208.199)

Posted by:

Mark in Toronto

Subject: Juan Rodriguez

Juan Rodriguez, Montreal. Very good music writer. My first Dylan/Band concert January 11, 1974 was reviewed by Juan in the Montreal Star, January 12, 1974 p. A1 & A2 - "18,000 stomp and cheer for Dylan and The Band". My "Bob Dylan Live in Canada" book lists Juan's review but I guess didn't get permission to print it.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:50:17 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

It is quite interesting that they used a photo of Dylan & The Band for this article....maybe cause Dylan has songs registered with SESAC...


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:48:16 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.62)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: SESAC BUYING The Harry Fox Agency

See the link...other than it could hopefully increase my income, i dunno what to make of this yet............


Entered at Tue Jul 7 06:03:41 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When I played in a basement club in Montreal in the early 70's, Byron Lee and the Dragonaires were playing upstairs in a huge dancehall. Those guys knew how to enjoy themselves, but I suppose we did too.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 04:56:59 CEST 2015 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Japanese ska in TO

Brown Eyed Girl: The Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra?


Entered at Tue Jul 7 03:33:06 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

....an interesting piece on 60's hotspots in Montreal and swizzle sticks.......and a couple of legendary hangouts.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 02:39:36 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal 1962

Thanks for responses.

I have a few Juan Rodriquez articles in my files, some now yellowing. They are from the 1970s as I recall. I found some extracts from his book on-line (including a mention of Jesse Winchester opening for The Band at Montreal's Place des Arts in, I think, 1968) but no detail about 1962. I shall continue to check him out.

I shall look for reviews of the jazz book first, to see if they indicate anything more about the content, before seeking a copy.

If anything more occurs to anyone, please let me know.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:28:07 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan ‎– Live Finjan Club, Montreal Canada, July 2, 1962

Label:Doxy ‎– DOK 327
Format: Vinyl, LP, Mono, Unofficial Release CD, Album, Mono
Country: Europe
Released: 2013 Genre: Folk, World, & Country
Style: Folk

Hey Bill M! I've been to all those places you mentioned except Belize.
Nope....I got turned onto reggae when I moved to Toronto to attend school and I put on my TV and bam!! There was Bob Marley and The Wailers performing "Trenchtown Rock" and I never looked back. I've also seen Peter Tosh solo, Judy Mowat solo, Third World a couple of times, Black Uhuru, Tiger in Kingston, Jamaica. imagezulu has seen Toots and The Maytals who I keep missing. I'd also like to see Steel Pulse from England.

The only Toronto reggae bands I've seen are the Skatalites and the Reggae Cowboys....that's right......and once we saw at the Rivoli.....Fred's fave....Uggh! I can't remember their name but they were a Japanese reggae group....First time drinking Samboucas that night. Go figure....


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:17:27 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Ian.......Juan Rodriguez was Montreal's most prominent music critic and music man about town for decades. I believe he has a website and if he can be reached somehow by you.....I am sure he would be a fine source of information. GOOGLE: Juan Rodriguez Rock N Roll Life.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:14:22 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.16)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Ian W: The book at the link should be of some assistance with club names. Try abebooks.com for a secondhand copy.


Entered at Tue Jul 7 00:00:02 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.159)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: I picked up a 1969 album the other day and thought of you - "Reggay on Tour" by the Sonny Bradshaw 7, a Jamaican band. I bought it not because reggae ace Willie Lindo is on guitar, but mostly because Mike Stuart is on sax.

But I must admit that the front cover also played a role, as it lists the places they'd played on tour - Montego Bay, Belize, Ocho Rios, Montreal, Toronto, Kitchener, Galt (ta-da!) and Hespler. (Preston doesn't get its own banner on the cover like the others, but is mentioned in the liner notes.) The thought occurred to me that these guys may have been your introduction to the music.

By the way, sax-man Stuart moved to Toronto that very year, 1969 and is a well regarded member of the jazz community. His Toronto-born older half-brother was a member of the Silhouettes in the '60s, so probably jammed with one or more of our guys at the Bluenote when the Silhouettes were the houseband, immediately before Whitey and the Roulettes (i.e., the proto-Mandala).


Entered at Mon Jul 6 23:46:30 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Montreal in 1962

Is there anybody out there who can recall the clubs, bars and coffee-houses in Montreal in 1962 or has access to the archives of Montreal newspapers in that year or similar?

I'm doing a bit of background research on Dylan's visit there in late June and early July 1962 and would like to fill in a few blank spaces and/or "lighten up" a few of the grey areas.

If unable to help yourself, perhaps you know someone who is not a GB-er who may be able to help. If so, please let me know.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 19:29:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Phenomenal

Another great link. I knew about that one as it's on Mrs V's all-time favorites playlist for the car.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:57:52 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: SA

Didn't go to see any musicians in SA. We were busy with family.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:52:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ahhhh....You just reminded me Peter!!......Your Birthday and Tenn's and Tull's and imagezulu's (June).......all Cancerians! Ok who else in July? If my memory serves me well.....D.....and that's all I remember. Yeah....Birthdays are huuuge for me...more so than any other day.

Last song for the day.....Another one featuring the Birthday Boy Robbie....Even PSB didn't even know this song existed until I posted it here.

Hey JT...We were both in South Africa at the same time in 2004. Did you see any performers? We saw a singer-songwriter at their Harbourfront whose name escapes me now. Otherwise Juluka was playing in Cape Town but we couldn't make it. Shoot!

Since passion and emotion is in my blood; sometimes I have to do yoga....So I'm off to another class.
Happy Monday everyone!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:29:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Out of The Blue

Thanks for that Angie, it lifted my afternoon!

And Happy Birthday to Robbie. Cancerians Rule, OK!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:14:40 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For those of you who can't even wish Robbie a Happy Birthday.....Shame on you!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 18:08:02 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Peter...imagezulu's sister and partner were also in London.

Neil Young and Joni Mitchell more popular than The Band?! See 50 Best Canadian Songs of All Time. Sound clips included.
Numero uno.....The Hip! I would have chosen "New Orleans Is Sinking" or "So Hard Done By" or "Bobcaygeon" instead. The two times I've seen them along with other acts....Their audience knows every word to every song. Very impressive....

Jed. Your passion for the Dead and The Allman Brothers....Well....I did buy Greg Allman's book half price and looking forward to reading about his life as I really enjoyed his performances at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival. We recently had Gary Clark Jr. in town as well. Yes we are the small apple.

Apologies to Sue Medley who was also featured in the small clips of Canadian artists. I saw her open for B.B. King once at Massey Hall. I'm not really a fan but I do respect that she can play blues guitar.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 17:42:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Neil Diamond Toppermost

My latest Toppermost is up … ohm Neil Diamond. See link. Do comment over there. There's a video inset of DRY YOUR EYES too.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 17:24:03 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"I think we hit Canadian week because then a whole tour party came out of the Tate Modern in Globe and Mail T-shirts."

.........and the very next night, another tour party from Canada was seen leaving The Gaslight......they were wearing Toronto Sun T-shirts, of course.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:48:37 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Leon Russell?Grateful Dead

Saw the new film,A Poem is A Naked Person, about Leon during the years72-74.Nice to see George Jones but a terrible movie that should probably be shelved.It adds nothing to the legacy of one of the finest musicians of our times,Leon Russell. On another topic,the wife and i spent 3 nights watching and listening to the 'final" "Grateful Dead" shows.Final?To me,final was in 95 when Garcia passed.But it was fun,the musicians were excellent,the songs superb.Not the Dead,but some fine music.The July 4th show was particularly energized and well done.Trey,who i'm not a fan of,did wonderfully and merits all the praise for filling a tough role to fill in this band.Phil Lesh remains as one of the greatest bass players ever-he was omnipresent with his creative playing throughout.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:33:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: London UK

Make no mistake, Peter. L and I love London. We get there when we can and over the years have had connections there. And we are not alone. Not surprised to hear about your experience. When we are in London, we frequently see/hear/meet Canadians. Even when we go to other European cities, we try to get to London for at least a few days.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 16:11:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Canadian Week?

Funny, I wondered if you were all in London. We sat next to two Canadians at breakfast yesterday on the South Bank, and when the server took their order, they asked the server which part of Canada she came from. Toronto. Hey! We’re from Toronto too. At which a couple from two table away came over and said “We hear Canadians.” So they were asked where they were from. Guess where? Toronto!

It’s a funny thing on London’s South Bank. One weekend you only hear Italians. Next time we go, it’s only French. Then a few weeks later, it’s all German. I think we hit Canadian week because then a whole tour party came out of the Tate Modern in Globe and Mail T-shirts.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 15:56:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Hail Hail

Hail, Hail. The gang's all here.

Hail, Hail rock n' roll!


Entered at Mon Jul 6 14:24:13 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Many congrats to Scarborough, Ontario's The Weeknd!!

First he did not disappoint with his rnb/soul grooves with an added beautiful falsetto....at our Much Music Awards and then the very next day.....The Weeknd performs 'Worth It' & with Alicia Keys Performs 'The Hills' at the BET Awards 2015.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 14:10:18 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Glen Campbell I'll Be Me Trailer


Entered at Mon Jul 6 13:52:38 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Celine Dion, Joni Mitchell, Burton Cummings, Robbie Robertson GRT 1990

Kevin J and Norbert.... :-D


Entered at Mon Jul 6 09:10:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Newport 65

Thanks for linking PSB's excellent article. I'll get the book.

On Pete Seeger … I'll find it later, but there was a long Peggy Seeger interview this month with some interesting observations on brother Pete … and even for the most purist folkies, Peggy Seeger and Ewan MacColl always seemed a tad too purist. She's still complaining (as did Ewan) that she dislikes Roberta Flack's version of The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 06:09:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Just finished watching the Rory Kennedy film, "Last Days In Vietnam"........highly recommended......GB connection, the word "extracted" was used a few times.


Entered at Mon Jul 6 05:08:48 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: GB Heaven......

.....40 or 50 years from now and I find my self at the gates of heaven........"so, did this one contribute anything worthwhile", asks God......"an interesting post or two? Perhaps a revelation along the way on the songwriting dispute? A reasoned argument on why the criticisms of TLW are nothing more than retroactive nonsense?" I'm afraid not, your Holiness..........ahhhh, hold on, an old note from Canada makes special note of his.... ahhh....."energy".........seems all there is really........"oh my, I see...... one of those was he .......yes, well, we are seeing more and more of these types, I'm afraid......put him aside for now"


Entered at Sun Jul 5 23:17:42 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: A discussion on Dylan in NYC at the end of the month

http://www.mcny.org/event/dylan-goes-electric-new-york-newport


Entered at Sun Jul 5 21:56:24 CEST 2015 from (87.144.164.199)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Odyssey

"It took Odysseus 10 years to return to his Ithaca home from the Trojan war, losing all his men along the way."

Greece’s modern odyssey is to begin tomorrow.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 21:51:22 CEST 2015 from (87.144.164.199)

Posted by:

Norbert

Angie, good to see you!

Jeff, old Soprano, you know I love you ;-)


Entered at Sun Jul 5 20:05:45 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Happy birthday, Robbie!

I was enjoying How To Be Clairvoyant just yesterday, after a long absence from playing it. Still holding up great.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 14:44:11 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It's Robbie's Birthday today!


Entered at Sun Jul 5 07:26:12 CEST 2015 from (92.83.191.122)

Posted by:

grow

Web: My link

So interesting....look onward to visiting again


Entered at Sun Jul 5 03:05:45 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, whilst i've not found any way to interpret your post to Norm and comment to me, i'm all for people overcoming anything.......


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:14:00 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Joshua Manuel Receiving Richard Manuel's NY Blues Hall Of Fame Award 5-31-15 BB Kings, NYC

Hey Norm! If you missed the special on Glenn Campbell it's airing again tonight at 6:00 Pacific time. It's true....because he has such great tone in his voice you forget what a great guitar player he is as well.


Entered at Sun Jul 5 02:04:36 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson: "Van Morrison's body of work is astounding; it speaks for itself. We don't need to name off these songs - we all know how it affects us. And in the tradition of the great Irish poets and the great soul singers, he is the Caruso of rock and roll, and I'll treasure his music and his friendship forever. So it is my honor to induct my man Van into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tonight. Thank you."

"It doesn't get any better than that, does it? Let me tell you what kind of a man we're dealing with here. I've known him since about 1969, after Astral Weeks and Music From Big Pink came out, and we both felt kind of a musical connection. And when I was working on the Band's second album, he dropped by to visit. I was playing around with a little guitar idea, and he asked me where I learned to play like that. And I said I didn't know, and he got up and left. Not too long after, he moved to Woodstock, New York, where we were living at the time, and one day he came over to my house, and I was in the middle of writing a new song. Well, he had some ideas, and before too long, we finished it up, and that night we went into the studio to record it. We played it down once so everybody could learn it, then we played it again, and put it down on tape, and he got up and left. But this was the night he became the Belfast Cowboy."

I was just reading past posts....Sarah from Robbie's land....I just take breaks; I'm never missing. One reason....I was totally engaged with the NBA. I saw every single playoff game. I have no idea how I'm going to watch these players from other teams who I cheered for as the Raptors were out really quick this year. The problem is we don't even have one superstar....Vince Carter from days gone by was the only one....and we lack real leaders on the Raptor team as well as lacking defence and......they peaked too early in the season and won mostly against teams in the east and not the west. Anyway, in the end I was cheering for Lebron's team as Canadian Tristan Thompson was on the team and Cavs did not have their two all-stars due to injuries so I had to cheer for the underdogs. If only JR Smith was more consistent with his three-throws and Kyrie and Love weren't injured then they could have won it all. See why I didn't have any energy to post here? ;-D

I'm so glad you're continuing to post Joan. You're a peaceful warrior. :-D

Peter V and Bill M....Hellooooo! You guys should know by now that I take breaks. Always glad to see both of you here.

joe j....Whatever happened to Rawlins Cross? Btw when I visited your province it was so cool. I walk into one store and they're playing Marley. Next store they're playing VU's reunion tour of 1993. We go to the car and.....just remember it was great.....lol....maybe Motown?

Lisa....Thank you so much for sharing about your experience with Robbie Robertson! I came sooooo close at our Canadian Music Week to ask a question but I didn't and I'm glad I didn't because at the time I was so entangled with the FFFF......Big mistake at the time.

Kevin J....I've always appreciated your energy here. Hope you had a great Canada Day too!


Entered at Sun Jul 5 00:08:44 CEST 2015 from (161.185.161.93)

Posted by:

Ray

THANKS, MIKEY!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 23:08:16 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Happy Independence Day to my friends south of the 49th . . . Ray, Lars and Butch, to be specific. Best of the Fourth to you. Careful with those fireworks.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 22:45:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Living In The USA

Happy 4th you all.

Link features Chuck & Linda.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:03:35 CEST 2015 from (194.168.195.98)

Posted by:

Peter V

Angie and Norm in one day! Things are looking up!

PSB, no idea where I got the Van / Robbie reference. That was written years ago without having seen your article.I assume one of the Van biographies … which were clearly wrong. So Van has a point.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 21:00:46 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Good to hear from Angie & Norm. Love to do Norm's boat tour. Not the tug is it? I escorted some elderly relatives on a local tour this week. Icebergs, whales and eagles but the best was the rolling of the sea. Lulls you into a special place. Had a bonfire on the beach afterwards. Scallops & mussels. Life is good.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:23:42 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Angie it's good to hear from you I hope all is well. Happy July 4 to everybody Tony too many hot dogs and enjoy


Entered at Sat Jul 4 20:00:19 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Torn Out By The Roots

I agree about the sound of Cahoots; it has always sounded thin to me, at least on the original vinyl. Was disappointed at first, but the record has grown on me over the years. An advance in musical sophistication, a bit of a retreat lyrically. Love Richard's singing & Garth's wailing sax on "Last of the Blacksmiths", the dreamy vibe of "Thinking Out Loud" & the treat of having Van along for the ride on "4% Pantomime". Hell, I'll even cop to liking "The Moon Struck One"!

One of the lesser Band albums for me, but as others here have said, released today it would sound like fresh genius. Which only goes to reinforce the undiminished brilliance of "Big Pink" & "Brown".


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:59:20 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hey Pat B. You were right...I did quote Robbie awhile ago and wasn't leaving the site. You don't miss a thing. :-D
Happy Healthy Independence Day to you and all other Americans today.
Btw small world as I saw Cathy Richarson perform in NYC! She was channeling Janis in "Love Janis". She was absolutely fabulous!

I can't wait to see Van once again in September! This time I'm in the eighth row!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 18:21:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Last night I enjoyed an epic bout of Bob Dylan. Every year Fitzgeralds in Berwyn Illinois just outside Chicago hosts the American Music Festival--Joe Ely, Marcia Ball, Glen David Andrews, Bill Kirchen and Redd Volkaert, Dale Watson, Jimmy LaFave, you get the idea. My Dylan tribute band The Zimmermen with guest Cathy Richardson from Jefferson Starship played in the late afternoon, then two hours later I played keys with Tributosaurus in another Dylan tribute. We only repeated one song. In between sets as a great band called Dust Bowl Revival tore it up, who walks in but the absolute legend Sam Lay just off being inducted into the RnR HoF as a member of Butterfield's Band. So we get a picture--members of a Dylan tribute band surrounding the guy who played drums with Dylan at Newport in 1965.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 17:08:31 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Cahoots and Van meeting Robbie

Peter, where did you get the information that Van's first meeting with any members of The Band was in Los Angeles in 1970 where he met his neighbor Robbie Robertson? As the above link will show, at the very earliest they met on Halloween in 1969, two nights before their Ed Sullivan appearance. And while it's not in the blog, Robbie and Van most definitely met. Robbie said kill 'em Van as he was about to go onstage.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 15:12:14 CEST 2015 from (98.223.186.203)

Posted by:

Zavadka

Subject: Cahoots

I also was at Arie Crown in 1971; my 3rd live Band concert in IL. My first two were at MRF in Edwardsville. I was very moved by Cahoots, so much that I made a trip to Bearsville in November 71 thinking that I could talk to Robbie about diminutive chords, silly me :) But....I did get lucky. Ran into Robbie at a convenience store and he talked over an hour about the album, chord progressions, Allen Toussaint and the upcoming Rock of Ages gigs. Even got a few photos together with him.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 14:55:43 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Norm, the California raisins. Yes . . . it all makes sense now.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 13:40:01 CEST 2015 from (213.205.251.73)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great to see Norm back!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:54:02 CEST 2015 from (92.83.178.248)

Posted by:

eye

Web: My link

Many thanks! This is definitely an fantastic web site!


Entered at Sat Jul 4 12:30:22 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: PSB review of new Dylan book

I haven't read this new book on Dylan going electric at Newport yet. Looking forward to finding a copy. What is impressive right now is what a great read Peter Stone Brown's review is.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 11:29:25 CEST 2015 from (87.152.113.42)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Midlife Crises

Norm, I won’t give names, but midlife crise is a common thing here. I myself wanted to wet shave and walk the dog.

Anyway it will pass and no one will blame you (you’ve heard that Jeff….), just carry on.


Entered at Sat Jul 4 08:04:02 CEST 2015 from (87.144.175.214)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Norm, ok, we will discuss these plans later ;-).


Entered at Sat Jul 4 07:24:52 CEST 2015 from (24.114.77.23)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I remember October 1980 and thinking "Just like Starting Over" just couldn't be John Lennon..........fast forward 35 years and "Meet The Raisons" - is it Norm ? Nahhh ! Really ? Gawd damn, everything changes, I guess !

Book a ticket on that Eco tourism ride, wherever you are .......should be fun.......if it gets late and the captain is still upright, do mention that Pierre Bouchard had the fight won before Stan changed hands.......


Entered at Sat Jul 4 03:42:42 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest (Port Alice BC)
Web: My link

Subject: Meet The Raisins

Having taken a long hiatus from the Guest Book, I was encouraged by many friends to stop by. Susan and I have moved back to our home in Port Alice on Northern Vancouver Island. We are about to try a (eco-tourism) plan to take people out on day trips in our big boat. about 10 hours a day through the summer and show about 6 or 8 at a time the inlets of Quatsino Sound and the history and sights of the area. There is always a lot of interest particularly from European folks who love to see this rugged coast. Hope all are well. I have put a link to a page here. In explaining, in our back yard we have a green house that has been taken over by the grape vine. Really quite beautiful with wonderful wine grapes. As we sat on our back deck this afternoon, Susan said, "What are you going to do with that? It's taken over the green house." I said, I'm just going to let it grow. It looks so nice I can't cut it down. I started singing I heard it through the grape vine. I said you know the California raisins have always been my favourite animation. I haven't had time to bother with this computer much lately. I came in and pulled up youtube. This is something I haven't seen before even tho' I have watched a lot of the raisins. If you have not seen this before, this is one of the best half hours you will ever spend. You have to pay attention as this is a history of r&r and pop music. The puns and jokes are great. You need to listen to identify the voices behind this. I just love it, hope you all will enjoy it. Have a good and safe summer. Our weather here......I'm considering going back to Mexico where it might be a little cooler :):):)


Entered at Sat Jul 4 00:36:27 CEST 2015 from (67.84.78.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

The link is to an article on Ringo :-)


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:22:22 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On Street Legal, you were right and she was wrong! Love that album.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 20:12:40 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I think the timing of when someone comes to a work , be it an album or book can have a big influence on how it is judged…..I remember vividly as a teenager being at a party at my brother’s apartment and telling an older lady how excited I was by the Bob Dylan album “Street Legal” - pause: can anyone else remember the thrill of chatting up an “older lady” at a party…..hilarious to think about it now as that older lady would only have been mid to late 20’s at the time ! - anyhow, the lady scoffed at me and went on to explain that Bob Dylan was nowhere near as good as he had been, etc……….after Big Pink and The Band album, our boys were in a similar situation and had almost no room for any slack or any fun. Volcano is a fun, kind of silly song but so what, most of rock n roll is that………It is no coincidence that many solo albums of great artists lack the throwaway fun numbers that bands provide comfort to.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 19:19:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Article on Cahoots (Jawbone)

What I wrote in the linked article on this site:

I was worried when I bought it on the day it was released. Danger signal. The lyrics were printed on the inside sleeve. Robertson had said in all the Stage Fright interviews that the joy of rock lyrics was puzzling out the words, mishearing them, guessing. I spent days listening to this one again and again, waiting, hoping for it to touch me like the first three albums had. But no, only a couple of tracks would stick in my head. I couldn't remember the tunes of half of it. I had to admit that my favourite band had produced an album that was 50% turkey.

Anyway there's a lot more at the link. I can't remember writing most of it!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:52:58 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Volcano

LINKED: Volcano......I love it as well. The guitar and horns and Rick singing.

Todd: If the sound was good at the theatre, I am sure you had a great experience last night.....By UOCC, I am hooked every time....I've only seen it on a big screen twice.....1978 and some time in the 2000's. First time was especially stunning as I had never seen rock n roll in a theatre house before and I was still discovering things about The Band....still am actually, but it was such a mind blow to take it all in at the time.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 18:33:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

When Cahoots came out, I listened to it constantly. I had a girlfriend who loved Volcano. The band I was in covered Carnival and Where Do We Go From Here. I saw them do the latter at Arie Crown Theater in 1971. I spent hours trying to figure out what Garth was doing on Moon. I covered WDWGFH with Tributosaurus because the great Robbie Fulks wanted to do it. Another band I was in covered Masterpiece. Richard sings Blacksmiths. 4% is a superb example of The Band playing together live. Oh yeah, Van and Richard sing together. Smoke Signal became a gigantic live showcase. River Hymn has some great singing, and Garth rips it up on gospel organ. Critics enjoyed disparaging it, but if a group released that album today, they would be hailed as geniuses. A great album cover and a revealing back album photo.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 17:33:15 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.24)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm a big fan of "Cahoots", though not of its brittle sound. It took a good while to find a way in, but once in I was hooked. As I've said here numerous times, my way in was Jack Bruce's "Songs for a Tailor".


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:44:18 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bi PolarBear2

Subject: OopsTim Sundog

Correct spelling: Tim Sundog Corcoran. Again, I can't judge cause I don't know. NRPS might, tho.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 16:36:14 CEST 2015 from (174.50.91.92)

Posted by:

Bipolar Bear2

Subject: Tim Sundog

Just google "Tim Sundog Cochran". What's right, what's not, I ain't the judgin kind.....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:55:27 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots (again)

Just wanted to say that if "Carnival" is the first beer in the sunny afternoon then "River Hymn" is the first beer in the following morning. Couldn't say it better.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 12:43:44 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Cahoots

I agree with Rod. The opening was a knock-out. The following songs are complex, especially lyrics for a non-native speaker like me, some in the B-side are really rock-bottom altough 'Shootout In China Town' could have been a foresight about this gb. The more or less unhappy ending (River hymn) is just sovereign to 100%. Usually Mr. Helm's singing - in opposite to the majority here and "there" - doesn't make my tears run in to my boots but this time it will. - Anyone remember the colourful gb regular from the early years Tim(Sundog) from Wisconsin/Vegas? He said that this LP (yes, LP!) should be played out LOUD!!!


Entered at Fri Jul 3 11:17:52 CEST 2015 from (122.60.107.158)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Cahoots

I haven't listened to this one in it's entirety for a while but I think I will so again over the next few days. The last time I listened to it I remember thinking how complex some of the chord progressions were - almost like a nod back to the brown album. In fact I'd say it has the best two opening tracks on any Band album with exception of the Brown album. The album does fade away a bit after that almost song by song. Side two lets the whole thing down but all the songs on side one would hold there own on most Band albums. Still it's better than any of the 90's albums.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 10:04:04 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Prefabs and Hartford CT

When I was very young, I lived in a prefab in West London. The street was made up entirely of prefabs and I have a fairly clear memory of our prefab and the street. I have fond memories of both.

I also have good memories of some weeks spent in Hartford CT in the mid-1960s. I mention it because the Allyn Theatre there is where I saw "Help!" on the big screen, in a double bill with, rather bizarrely, a western called "Trigger On The Finger". Less mainstream films were shown at the Art Cinema (255 Franklin), above which was a place called The Image which occasionally had folk singers and the like.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 08:51:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I was in a Sears Roebuck's home … an early one too … in a winery in California. They had two different ones which were erected when it started. The link says they stopped in 1940, but I have an advert I'm using in a book for similar which is later … 1946 to 1947, maybe a different mail order company.

The UK equivalent were Prefabs, built after World War II to replace bombed out housing and to provide homes for returning soldiers. They had a "ten year life" but quite a few still stand and are "Grade II listed buildings" which means you can't demolish them or alter the exterior. See link for those interested in prefabricated building.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:50:22 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Plagiarism case

See the link....No comment. Just posting. But wasn't there another artist who had the same song allegedly plagiarized by Zep- or was that a different song? The guy was a folk singer....


Entered at Fri Jul 3 02:18:03 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Pete, after careful consideration I've determined that whether or not the Mounties hat would touch the interior ceiling or roof in an igloo depends on the height of the mountie & whether it was a Sears & Roebuck Igloo or some other builders...... There really were Sears & Roebuck homes in the U. S.... i encountered some in the City of St Louis.


Entered at Fri Jul 3 01:19:37 CEST 2015 from (174.236.36.135)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: TLW

Sitting in a movie theater in Hartford CT waiting for a screening of The Last Waltz to start in approx 10 minutes. Will be my second time ever seeing it on the big screen.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 23:57:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

OK, do Mounties remove their hats on entering igloos? I would have thought that the high crown would touch the roof and then like touching a canvas tent, start a drip.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 21:37:24 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, I've been posting on thus guestbook for a number of years and have been pretty consistent in my views. I don't recall posting anything about 'Islands'. I didn't realize that there was a litmus test to being a Band fan and that one had to praise 'Northern Lights/Southern Cross' and 'Cahoots' to be a part of the club. Sorry.

I absolutely feel that 'Cahoots' is the weakest Band album. The 3 90's albums are far superior, in my opinion. Of the 90's albums, I think that 'Jubilation' is the best, followed closely by 'Jericho' and 'High on the Hog'.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:25:35 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Cahoots is the weakest Band album? What a ridiculous statement--but to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 20:09:05 CEST 2015 from (107.77.76.126)

Posted by:

Bob F

Ben, sorry for the snarky comment(great word by the way). It's just that's couple of months ago obviously a different Ben from the great state of New Jersey was on here bashing Northern Lights and Islands.After a while it's like saying you love pizza but not the cheese and sause.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 19:11:32 CEST 2015 from (67.84.77.18)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

1,00 Points for the leaky igloo roof Jerry! Ballbusters Anonymous would take you right out of the probation period for that one... Pete, 1,000 points for you as well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:13:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SANTA FE

The third Van / Jackie collaboration … am I right … it sounds very much like Van Morrison's band to me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:11:39 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: FLAMINGOS FLY

And Jackie DeShannon on her co-write with Van Morrison, Van is on the chorus backing.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:09:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: SWEET SIXTEEN

Sorry, previous link was wrong and you must have been puzzled to get to Educating Rita. I was linking bits of my site and had that link copied and I pasted it in error. This link really IS Van and Jackie DeShannon on top form.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 18:04:50 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I mainly agree with you on Cahoots, Ben. But for me, When I Paint My Masterpiece and Life Is A Carnival are both first rate, and I enjoy Shoot Out in Chinatown, and, well, 4% Pantomime lacks in melody or great arrangement, but it is fun.

Remember those sayings. People who live in glass houses shouldn't. Not in daylight anyway.

People who live in ice houses shouldn't get undressed either.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:48:39 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Peter V told a joke on Canadians. To keep the balance I feel free to tell how our "Britishness" saved us from paying a fee.

We drove a buss from Pavia to Milan (Italy). We should have bought a ticket BEFORE entering the buss, not IN THE BUSS like we were used to. Honestly, we didn't know. - Unfortunately, this was the day when Il Signore Controllatore came to this very buss from Pavia to Milan. I said to him something like "due billetti a Milano, prego" and gave him a couple of millions Lire because I believed it is the time to pay now. He was like a thunder storm! FURIOSO! An educated man in front of us saved us by knocking his forehead and saying "Anglese -ha-ha-ha-ha". Everybody in the buss laughed. We laughed, too, hysterically... Il Signore Controllatore was satisfied and took a couple of millions of Lire and went away.

It is good to be British! Especially if you are not.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:46:55 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I really have a dislike for the sound and production of 'Cahoots', along with the mostly mediocre songs. I just don't care for the arrangement of 'Masterpiece'. To my ears, Dylan's more stripped down version is much preferable. Again, to each his own.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:39:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: WIPMM

When I Paint My Masterpiece: Both are great versions. A wonderful song realized effectively and differently by The Band.

What I would like to know are the details of why one would NOT like this version as it stands on its own. That would give me some insight into what makes the writer feel negatively. For me, the vocals are top notch and the playing is classic Band. So please explain.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:31:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I know you mistyped and meant When I Paint My Masterpiece. I'm surprised at preference for the Dylan version which I thought definitely inferior to The Band … it's a great Levon lead vocal.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:27:12 CEST 2015 from (197.5.129.6)

Posted by:

JuleH

Web: My link

I got the interest in the band after reading levons book(this wheels on fire) and kind of redisgovered the music and i found out how great it is.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:24:49 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bob, to each his own. I think 4% pantomime is somewhat amusing, sure. But, I don't think it holds up to repeated listening or consider it much more than than a drunken novelty, it's certainly not a serious part of either Van or The Band's cannon. It would have been wonderful for Van and Richard to cover some Ray Charles tunes.

In my opinion, Cahoots is a disaster. The only first rate song is 'Life is a Carnival'. I don't really care for the version of 'Life is a carnival'. I much prefer Dylan's version from his Greatest Hits, Volume 2. The other songs that you mentioned are extremely mediocre. Nothing special. This album was a massive step down after 'Stage Fright'.

Regarding your snarky comment, I certainly hold the Band's catalog from Music Big Pink through Jubilation in very high regard. But, I feel that 'Cahoots' is by a wide margin the weakest Band album.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 17:12:52 CEST 2015 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Consistency over a long stretch

Speaking of maintaining consistency over a long career, just finished first listen to the recent Willie Nelson album Band of Brothers, his first (mostly) original collection in some time. Top notch. Good songs, production, and Trigger is in fine form. Long time no lurk. Hope all are well.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:49:36 CEST 2015 from (68.198.162.41)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Cahoots

Ben, how can you be a Van/Band fan and not love 4% Pantomime? Smoke Signal, Thinking Out Loud, Volcano, Where Do We Go From Here are wonderful. When I Paint My Masterpiece is well, a masterpiece. I'm curious are there any original Band records you do like?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:18:07 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.252)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: national anthem (alternate)

Y'all gave me this earworm, now you have to take it . . . .


Entered at Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The roof leaks on the igloo

Yup: I'll have to go to the freezer to get one of those blocks of ice/snow out to fix the leaky roof.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:31:42 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If you go back to Them in the 60s, I'd put Van's remarkable run at 50 years.

HARD NOSE suffers from awful sleeve design, but you could line up a dozen versions of Wild Mountain Thyme / Purple Heather / Will Ye Go Lassie Go and I doubt many would choose Van on Hard Nose. To a degree it's an album "critics loved to hate" - other prime examples were Self Portrait and Lou Reed's Berlin. Self-Portrait has at last revealed its true worth and finally got appreciation, and suddenly all the critics have found they liked Berlin all along. Maybe it's time to reassess HARD NOSE.

It was one of the chapters in an uncompleted project of mine on the albums that critics lambasted on release. The title track is pretty good too.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 14:13:54 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I agree with Van's consistency. If you go back to the beginning of his career with Them in the mid 60's, he had a nearly 20 year run of remarkable music.

I disagree with you on Hard Nose the Highway. I think that it's far stronger than Cahoots. I don't consider it one of Van's major works like Astral Weeks, St. Dominic's Preview or Veedon Fleece, but I find it to be an enjoyable listen. I don't find Cahoots very enjoyable. Besides "Life is a Carnival', Cahoots is a disaster in my opinion.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 13:48:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jerry, you have to take Jeff seriously on Canadian weather. I mean, if it's not cold, how you come you all live in igloos?


Entered at Thu Jul 2 11:10:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I'd place Van Morrison as the most consistent of the prolific artists, and I see no quality drop in the "trilogy" of Into The Music, Beautiful Vision, Inarticulate Speech of The Heart … and when "Wavelength" magazine did a poll, Beautiful Vision edged Astral Weeks out of first place.

BUT everyone has their "Cahoots" and I would say Van Morrison's "Hard Nose The Highway" is that imperfect thread in the Persian carpet, though even then it has the incredible "Warm Love" on it. But Side Two with Green, Autumn Song and Purple Heather was not great.

Oddly enough, at the same time in 1973, he was cutting those four great tracks with Jackie DeShannon, Sweet Sixteen, Santa Fe, Flamingoes Fly and The Wonder of You. Sweet Sixteen, had he used it would have been the best track on the album. It's a duet, Jackie and Van, and is linked above. It was a single.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 09:46:29 CEST 2015 from (83.249.189.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Mick Taylor

I saw John Mayall's Bluesbreakers WITH Mick Taylor and WITHOUT Mick Taylor soon after he left the band. Chris Dreja (Yardbirds) jumped in to the stage in last minute, hide himself behind an amplifier and turned his back to the audience. John Mayall "found" him there and forced him to the stage. He played well. I didn't mind.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:21:20 CEST 2015 from (184.100.97.1)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Postwar radio

PV, thanks for your suggestions. I am not familiar with your sources but will try to check them out. As for search engines, so much information about FCC regs is available that it is hard to sort through it, but I am still trying.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:10:21 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: sleep deprived and Van

JT, sometimes i swear this computer which I got late last year types whatever the hell it wants to.

Ben, I agree with you on Van. Inarticulate Speech was the first Van album not to do it for me.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 06:06:26 CEST 2015 from (72.78.36.149)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Woodstock 67

Ian, yes that is Tiny Tim peering through the door.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 04:26:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry- Don't your ribs hurt ? What kind of a dockter are you? I'm just busting chops.

If you want lessons, ballbusters anonymous has daily meetings. The idea is elevation, not cessation.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 03:45:54 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Climate

OK Jeff: You got me. I laid it out on your table and you got me. I guess my poor understanding of your variable northeastern USA climate is equal to yours of Canada. smiley face....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:20:22 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

JT, there's an enormous difference in weather and climate between NYC & Boston......... Most of Pennsylvania has far worse weather than we in NYC.

Buffalo, hell,. it's barely in the U. S. Weatherwise, those folk may as well be in Siberia. Or Minnesota....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 02:03:18 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Canada Climate

Some useful information since its Canada day: It is not alway cold in Canada until you go far north. We have a vast country but the vast majority of our 30 million + population lives in relatively temperate climates (similar to Buffalo and NYC and Boston). Toronto does get cold spells but it is not a severe - 30C most of the winter. Edmonton can get like that and at times is intolerable. Here in Victoria in 12 years I have seen snow only 3 times and only once was it significant. The cherry blossoms appear late in January or early in February and its golden from there on. It is hot now but this is a little unusual, since it is usually only 75-80 F (American degrees) in the summer. The nights in Victoria can go down to near freezing but it is not common to get really really cold. I think we get our reputation from the vast lands that are to some degree minimally inhabited. Yes I've been to Timmins and Sudbury in Ontario in the winter, and it does get pretty cold and snowy. Those are 2 cities in Ontario with some population. So, Canada is cold if you look at the entire country but where most live, it is very much like living in the northern USA. Of course, it can get cold in Montreal and the maritimes with some severe cold weather, but southern Ontario is much like the NYC/Boston/Philly megalopolis in climate much of the time.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:05:23 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk- I sympathize........you guys must be so foroughly frozen you lost all feeling and can't tell no more.....


Entered at Thu Jul 2 01:01:55 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.114)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, I know this. And Ian was essentially on his deathbed when he reminded Keith- don't forget, Johnnie Johnson is alive, & living in St Louis. A few months later, Taylor Hackford asks Keith to be M.D. of the Hail Hail Rock & Roll concert / film....Keith says I have a condition, JJ has to be involved......this led to Johnnie having a substantial solo career...


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:34:40 CEST 2015 from (173.71.90.80)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

The Stones had a great run from 1968-78. Most of those albums are classic. I think that Goat's head soup and It's only rock and roll are the two weakest albums in that series.

I would argue that The Who and Van Morrison at lest equalled, if not surpassed The Stones in roughly the same period. The Who from The Who Sell Out in 1967 through Who Are You in 1978 released a classic body of work. Pete Townshend also released two fine albums in this period, Who Came first and Rough Mix (with Ronnie Lane).

Van's body of work from Astral Weeks in 1968 through Wavelength in 1978 is also essential. The next few albums he released, Into the music and Common One are also excellent. I don't think he released a spotty album until Inarticulate Speech of the heart in 1983.


Entered at Thu Jul 2 00:23:59 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff

Jeff. Fer fuck's sake! Most of Canada has the same temperature as the States. If not hotter somet