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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

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Entered at Thu Oct 30 12:56:57 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A theme worth exploring. I have lines from songs that are triggered by situations with boring frequency. We must all do that mentally. For example, in any negotiation situation - whether in publishing, or say complaining about something - the line "He just grinned and shook my hand and "no" was all he said" always starts playing on a loop. Anyone got any personal ones?


Entered at Thu Oct 30 12:50:52 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

My mum used to sing me this one (linked- Paul Robeson, Little Man You've Had A Busy Day), but the words were half-remembered so it was "Someone stole your marbles" in her version and "pedal car" not "kiddy car". We didn't have a record player when I was a child, my mum sang a lot, so often the "actual" lyrics of songs of the era come as a surprise to me as she filled in what she couldn't recall. Dunno why I'm sharing this, but it's the "dawn don't rescue me, line,"

"Please don't judge me by shoes" always came into my head when we visited our publisher. The Managing Director was an extremely dapper man with gleaming, very expensive shoes, and we used to laugh because on meeting anyone, the first thing he did was look straight down at their shoes. I always found that line playing in my head as we shook hands. My current footwear preference for dark blue Mizuna with orange flashes would have been frowned upon.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 09:21:12 CET 2014 from (219.89.244.239)

Posted by:

Rod

Location: The Dawn

thanks John D. never made the connection between that line and "every thing will be all right in the morning" before.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 03:34:35 CET 2014 from (173.3.48.238)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: No good rat bastard

Jian Ghomeshi is apparently a very ill man. You don't hit women... Steve would be severely disappointed and probably hunting the bastard down himself...


Entered at Thu Oct 30 01:12:44 CET 2014 from (24.114.69.209)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: John D

Nicely done Jeff and so true........and John D - thank you for that lovely reflection. Even today with my Mother in her 80's and removed by geography and that intimate knowledge of day to day events in my life, I find it very comforting to just hear her say "Relax Kevin, everything is going to be ok"..........You know she can't really know all that is going on but it just feels good to hear those words........whenever art in any form can cut to the bone and stir up emotions - emotions that matter - it is a great thing.............I always loved that Chinese saying that "patriotism is nothing more than the taste of your mother's cooking" or something like that !


Entered at Thu Oct 30 00:57:10 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Nearly a year late, I finally posted a review of Wolf of Wall Street. I decided not to bother back at the beginning of the year, but rewatching on DVD inspired me to do a review. It's negative, apart from the soundtrack, which has the usual Scorsese Executive Producer.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 23:41:13 CET 2014 from (173.3.48.238)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

There's so many - a line as simply poetically and descriptively gorgeous as "Corn in the fields. Listen to the rice when the wind blows cross the water. King Harvest has surely come." Then add the perfect vocal, or combination of vocals, and the perfect music. Perfect every which way. That made the words come to bloody, muddy life. There you have The Band.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 20:37:38 CET 2014 from (88.245.131.98)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Thanks for the memory John

Thanks John - I was about to hunt the archives for whoever had written that subtle explanation of the 'Dawn rescue ' line from IMND. It was so long ago I hadn't clocked that it was your original account. I've always remembered that take on the line and thanks you for it.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 18:36:17 CET 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: John D and Lyrics

Love that line too John. "Please dont judge me by my shoes" is another one that is so simple but in the context of the song so powerful.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 15:32:35 CET 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Kristofferson / McGuinn / Neuwirth

Thanks Carmen.
[My link] to Jerry Lee's new title track.
I gotta say I prefer McGuinn's rock treatment on _Cardiff Rose_, (something ■ about Lewis's beat) but Jerry Lee is sounding pretty strong.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 14:55:40 CET 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

Carmen Gambone

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: jerry lee lewis

Article on new release


Entered at Wed Oct 29 14:20:57 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Allman Brothers

Last night I attended the final concert in the 45 year history of the various incarnations of the Allman Brohers Band.This version of the group with original members Gregg Allman,Jaimoe and Butch Trucks along with Warren Haynes,Oteil Burbridge,and Derek Trucks have been the longest version of the band in its history.The band had agreed to end it after 45 years.Last nights performance,which went to 1:30 am(3 sets) was breathtaking.I dislike the word epic.Its overused,like genuis.Last night was epic.Wow.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 13:51:19 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: This discussion of that line from IMND, "And the dawn don't rescue me no more" ties right back to something that I meant to post regarding Jack Bruce the other day but that got lost in the ether. What the dawn rescued me from when I was little was "the night time, when monsters call out the names of men [and little boys]". The latter is a brilliant Mark Bolan line that I'd compared to the equally brilliant and chilling lines of "White Room" - "I wait in this place where the sun never shines / Await in this place where the shadows run from themselves". The Bolan verse is noteworthy here for going on to mention Bob Dylan and Alan Freed, bringing in images of late-night efforts to bring in exotic music from faraway radio stations.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 13:17:13 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Kevin J

Kevin writes about some of the greatest lyrics to come from The Band.

"And the dawn don't rescue me no more." That line has touched me in many different ways. I've written about this before; but one more time. When I was a child and would have a very bad day, my Mother would look at me and say. "Don't worry son everything will be fine in the morning." That would always give you hope. But when the line "And the dawn don't rescue me no more" came out it sent a chill through me. Imagine. It's going to be just as bad again tomorrow. No hope. Still to me one of the greatest lines of lyrics ever written.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 05:46:07 CET 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the Turtle Pond

Subject: One Too Many Mornings

Ari,thanks for the link. It was all interesting/intrigueing. As it is labeled "sampler", I'd expected each song to fade after a verse or two, and some did. One Too Many Mornings made me gasp. I thought "magnificent", ("please don't fade yet, please don't fade yet"). And it indeed played all the way through. Probably my favorite thing I heard for the first time of all of 2014.


Entered at Wed Oct 29 00:17:14 CET 2014 from (68.199.208.40)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

More stripped down John Cash performances....See the link


Entered at Tue Oct 28 23:47:30 CET 2014 from (24.114.68.135)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.....on second thought, definitely Catholic !


Entered at Tue Oct 28 18:22:42 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: "I liked everything they were saying because I had never thought of any of it" - RR

From Peter V's article on The Weight:

"The biggest thing was the religious connotation of the song. I remember there was this huge argument between Marty (Martin Scorsese, the director) and Michael Chapman about the mood and the lighting for 'The Weight'. Marty was insistiting that it was a very Catholic vision, it had to be. And Michael was saying 'No, this is a very Protestant story, it's Baptist, Marty.' He was explaining to Marty the gospel music connotations...... I liked everything they were saying because I had never thought of any of it, though I was brought up Catholic. I thought it was quite brilliant the credit they were giving me. For me it was a combination of Catholocism and gospel music. The story told in the song is about the guilt of relationships, not being able to give what's being asked of you. Someone is stumbling through life, going from one situation to another, with different characters. In going through these catacombs of experience. you're trying to do what's right, but it seems that with all the places you have to go, it's just not possible. In the song, all this is 'the load.' " - Robbie Robertson

Jack the Dog....that line ( "won't you feed him when you can" ) along with the brilliance of the opening first few lines of the song has really resonated with people over the years and having a lyric that can do that in a simple rock n roll song is really what separates the truly great from the very good.

"And the dawn don't rescue me no more" from IMND is another beauty.......a line that I doubt the new generation of kids currently being turned onto The Band by the new 'children's book" on Robbie will understand for a while....and if they are really lucky or sheltered in life - maybe some of them never will.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 18:12:17 CET 2014 from (24.161.13.51)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties

JH, thanks for the link, they were fun times meeting all those fans, trying to explain what '.no' meant, and can't help but I wonder how many of those items are still being worn?


Entered at Tue Oct 28 16:57:45 CET 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Hamlet the dog

Bill, I like the connection to The Weight. Not sure Hamlet would have been on board with the "feed him when you can" line, though. ;)


Entered at Tue Oct 28 15:35:15 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dave H: Belated thanks for posting the NPR link. Beside the music, I really liked Tom Moon's essay and its focus on Hamlet the dog. I believe that responsibility for Hamlet shifted from Dylan to the Big Pink's fulltime residents somewhere along the line, and I've always thought that transfer from poet to hoser might have been reflected in a name switch from Hamlet the dog to Jack the dog - making Dylan Crazy Chester. Certainly John Simon's "My Name Is Jack" makes sense from a canine PoV. And seeing Big Pink as Bob "I want to be alone" Dylan's home for wayward boys and - it must be acknowledged - girls (from time to time).


Entered at Tue Oct 28 15:32:02 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'd say that Mr Mishra, as valuable as his services may be, is more than 15,000 too many mornings behind (and who knows how many thousand miles). Imagine what might have been if only he'd been there when our guy, with bag sinking low, was waiting for a train.

Speaking of "One Too Many Mornings" and "The Weight", note the similarities in Robbie's parts. I wonder if he was already working on TW in the basement, or it was a simply a case of recycling later on.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 14:46:48 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Basement Tapes in latest UNCUT magazine

The articles by Clinton Heylin in the latest issue of UNCUT magazine on the forthcoming BASEMENT TAPES release are recommended.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 07:27:16 CET 2014 from (219.89.244.239)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: drum machines

I was listening to Islands (the track) this morning. The "drums" sound odd to me - very repetitive and unlike anything Levon or Richard might play. A drum machine maybe? Maybe it's just Rick, Robbie and Garth on that one. I would also wager that a lot of the harmonies on that one record are from Robbie.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:25:54 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: OTMM/BTs

This is a great rendition of OTMM! Richard Manuel is magnificent and Bob Dylan does the song justice with a great performance. Overall, superB.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 00:56:56 CET 2014 from (74.71.33.140)

Posted by:

Ari

Web: My link

HAS ANYBODY HEARD THIS? RICHARD MANUEL SINGING ONE TOO MANY MORNINGS?!?!?! EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR THIS. sorry for the caps.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 22:02:04 CET 2014 from (99.148.153.124)

Posted by:

Zavadka

I will be the fifth of the three.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:19:20 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Which sport are we talking about, field hockey?


Entered at Mon Oct 27 20:15:43 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Dennis: NFA ad from back in the day


Entered at Mon Oct 27 20:11:46 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Sorry for the loss of your friend, Dennis. 2014 has not been the best of years for friends of The Band. I hope a turn for the positive is in the cards.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:44:15 CET 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Good HS Football Make A Wish Story

NOT BAND RELATED With all the problems in this world here is a great story which involved my sons HS Football team from this weekend.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:41:38 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The South Will Rise Again

Al, what do you think of first Southampton winning 8-0 away last week, then Bournemouth winning 8-0 away this week? I reckon they're putting something in the water down here. I keep drinking glasses of it hoping to get the effect.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:22:13 CET 2014 from (24.161.13.51)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties, NY

I'd like to take just a moment to note the passing of a long-time fan of Rock 'n Roll, and of The Band in particular, Ira Cohen.

Not well known to many fans, Ira was an attorney and vice-president of Not Fade Away Graphics of Kingston and Woodstock, NY. during the 1990's. As such, Ira was instrumental in securing licensing rights to many acts held by NFA, most notably The Band and The Grateful Dead, but also acts such as both Bob and Ziggy Marley, The Allmans, Government Mule and others. NFA, while no longer manufacturing, may still hold many of those licenses because of Mr. Cohen's forsight.

Yes, Not Fade Away did have links on Jan's site as early as 1997, so that fans all over the world could call and order Band merch, and Ira led the artists, manufactturing and distribution teams to get those great items out to the world.

Many of us still have those t-shirts, caps, etc. in our closets: the artwork was outstanding, and we all have Ira Cohen to thank in part for those hours of wearing our favorite act's merch proudly. (Most notable of The Band's t's was the Life is a Carnival design, which sold by the thousands.)

For folks like myself who were Not Fade Away road warriors bringing that merch for sale to concerts world-wide, Thank-You, Ira, much of that success would not have been possible without you. May you rest in peace, Ira Cohen.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:55:54 CET 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I'll be the fourth one, Kevin. I still haven't forgiven myself for missing the MLG tour stop, espy since I was visiting T.O. regularly about the same time to see how my badly-crashed Alfa was coming along in a Queen Street body shop (Italian guys, of course). I wasn't thinking straight at the time anyway. Damn!


Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:54:55 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'll be another of the three, Kevin, but will purchase it anyway. Still grumbling.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:27:50 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: TOUR 74......

….of course, Bob’s people might just find boxes of TOUR 74 material…..saunter off to their specially designed “curator” room and present the world with a release called Bootleg Volume 13 “Bob Dylan and The Band – The complete TOUR 74”……..ahh, the bummer for The Band fans is that it will only have the Bob Dylan set and the songs where they played together….”The Band” only material will be left off…………….only 3 people in the universe will even notice or complain! I’ll be one of them and not purchase it.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 15:55:44 CET 2014 from (68.199.208.40)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Years ago we had The Bellamy Brothers writing great philosophical topical songs, performing them wonderfully....now,the Sugarland guy has a song with a great line - never seen a hearse with a trailer hitch ( can't take it with you when you go), but, the band and the song are so mediocre, it just sucks....


Entered at Mon Oct 27 15:38:50 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Dylan and the Band 74- exceptional

It is too bad that a pro filmed document of 74 is unlikely. From my perspective, it was Bob Dylan at his most explosive (rivalled by the 76 Hard Rain and Baby Let Me Follow You Down (the Last Waltz) perhaps) as he drove the songs forward and his voice soared. HEARING and seeing that live is still emblazoned in my brain. It was totally unexpected and so had an even greater impact. As for The Band... what can one say about their excellent sets and their consistent backing, making Dylan's songs even more special. I must add that I love Planet Waves. If a true document ever does come out (unlikely- I saw no cameras at the Toronto MLG show) it would indeed show a different Dylan. You can hear it on the recordings from those shows. Dylan and the Band were in another space reserved for the truly exceptional!


Entered at Mon Oct 27 15:21:35 CET 2014 from (72.78.37.180)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Before The Flood/Tour 74 box of any kind

That is simply not going to happen no matter what they have.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 05:36:31 CET 2014 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

A bunch of Complete Basement Tapes tracks are now available for preview on the NPR site (see link).


Entered at Mon Oct 27 02:05:25 CET 2014 from (219.89.244.239)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: BTF DVD

that would be the Holy Grail. I have seen some amateur stuff on youtube. We have been surprised by other forgotten gems (The Don't Do IT video, Home Cooking) so we can only but hope.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 01:15:28 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Before The Flood

I am not aware of any official filming of the TOUR '74 concerts. There were reports of filming by a local TV News crew of part of one show but, if correct, I've never seen it and can't recall any other Dylan fan/collector claiming to have seen it either.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 19:15:21 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Box Sets etc.

I would think that Before The Flood must have been filmed. I would buy a DVD of that in a flash. I think the price of The Complete Basement Tapes is based on demand. It's an aging population that is waiting for The Holy Grail of Dylan material for 47 years. We're fortunate that Garth did not lose any of this material in the fire at his home years ago that destroyed a part of his collection. Finally that Dylan himself must have given the green light for this project.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 18:06:25 CET 2014 from (24.114.69.137)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Jack Bruce's "Theme From An Imaginary Western"

Peter: "Beware of Mr. Baker" is the best documentary - rock or otherwise - I have seen in years. Master musician, rotten human being but such a compelling two hours of viewing........for Jack Bruce, though, I thought the extras sections of the RAH reunion DVD, really captured his personality. He came across as a good guy.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 17:25:52 CET 2014 from (68.199.208.40)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

One of the highlights of an amazing Ringo show a long time ago was Jack Bruce's solo piano/vocal rendition of Theme From An Imaginary Western. One of those goosebump inducing performances... Jack was one of those rarest of talents...


Entered at Sun Oct 26 17:03:59 CET 2014 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Jack Bruce

As a 17 year old I was gobsmacked by Fresh Cream. 1967 they played The Whisky and we went. No tickets and under-age we didn't stand a chance. However, and I can still remember the night very well, I heard the whole show, loud & pretty clear from the sidewalk outside. After a thousand listens to Crossroads I can still appreciate JB on that one and Traintime and all the live Cream stuff!


Entered at Sun Oct 26 10:48:37 CET 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Jack Bruce

For an interestingly weird take on Jack, try watching "Beware of Mr Baker", an odd documentary at best. The filmmaker ends up pissing Ginger off and gets clocked across the bridge of his nose by Baker's cane for daring to suggest he interviews various bandmates of Ginger's. Very informative and very quirky, focusing on the African sojourn that led to Baker's collaboration with Fela Kuti in the early '70's and his settling in South Africa afterwards. He has frank and harsh words about the contentious relationship he'd had with Jack Bruce. A "Rashoman" experience if I ever did see one.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 10:06:47 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jack Bruce

Try this, Manfred Mann doing "I Got You Babe" from the Instrumental Asylum EP (later on Soul of Mann LP). Jack Bruce on bass guitar, but in a more controlled context than usual. just before Cream. While you're on the YouTube page you'll find "Satisfaction" from the same sessions.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 02:03:50 CEST 2014 from (100.38.21.92)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jack Bruce RIP

I am a huge fan of Jack Bruce.A giant of a bass player,singer,songwriter and musician.A genuis on the bass,it was a great pleasure to see the Cream reunion,a last opportunity for me to enjoy his brilliance.He and Ginger Baker were a gifted jazz based rhythm section who payed some of the greatest jam R&R ever.A great loss,Jack will be missed.


Entered at Sun Oct 26 01:33:53 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.153)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jack Bruce's passing hits. "White Room" is one of the high-water marks of rock and his first solo albums is one of my desert-island discs. Maybe partly because the horn arrangements went well with our guys' "Life Is A Carnival", maybe partly because "Theme From An Imaginery Western" comes across as a prophetic history of the Band.

Cher too had at least one big Bandish moment - "Gypsies, Tramps And Thieves". Robbie may have been channelling Levon's stories and Curtis Mayfield's "Gypsy Woman" when he wrote "W.S. Walcott", but I think GT&S channelled Robbie. Ditto Neil Diamond with "Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show".


Entered at Sun Oct 26 00:03:23 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Prices

I felt the same about ELT books, John … from about 1980 to 2000, I rarely had to buy one. Publishers just gave them to me. It comes as a shock when you have to pay for them!


Entered at Sun Oct 26 00:00:25 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

John (I've replied separately by email) yes, it's an interesting model. All these King Crimson mega box sets sell out rapidly too. They document every concert on the tour, and the end price is high, but you get a hell of a lot. They were an improvising band, more so than (say) Weather Report or Mahavishnu Orchestra of the same era, which is why different concerts are fascinating.

I guess Dylan/ The band probably have most of the Before The Flood tour on tape, but there wouldn't be anything like the same amount of variation between gigs. Still, a lot of us would buy a "Complete Before The Flood" box … though from the boots, Chicago, where Dylan stayed on with The Band and they did different material, is the one you'd really want.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 22:36:08 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V

I notice over time that you attend many, many concerts and buy up lots of box sets. Publishing seems to be a great business. Mrs. V is a saint. Anyway Peter get ready for the King Crimson box called Starless. Are you ready? 27 Discs. 27! $225.00. That is about 8 dollars per disc. As opposed to the Basement Tapes at $25.00 per disc. You'll notice I never complained about price when I was working. Ha Ha.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 22:02:50 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Judging from her autobiography, Cher found those shows more excruciating than you did, Kevin. The latest Mojo has Sandie Shaw talking about how female singers got forced into awful TV shows. It happened to all of them.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 19:57:06 CEST 2014 from (70.194.241.28)

Posted by:

calvin

Jack Bruce does surprise. Back when I played bass on a regular basis I was such a fan. Probably going to be listening to a bit of him the next few days.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 19:34:44 CEST 2014 from (24.114.69.137)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: One Million Years BC

Sorry to see the news of Jack Bruce's death. I was too young for Cream's first go around and was never really that excited to hear their songs on FM radio in the 70's but watching PBS one night about 10 years ago and the Royal Albert Hall reunion concert (the best of a series if concerts, I guess) was playing and I was mesmerized. Other than seeing Christiane Amanpour and too many other like her hogging front row seats, it was one of the best nights I ever remember watching a rock show on television.

Cher: Hard to shake the lasting impressions of comedian Cher and celebrity Cher and girlfriend Cher formed so strongly during a childhood where the Sonny & Cher show and then the Cher show were so dominent in TV Land in North America.......an episode where Cher did a dance routine with Raquel Welch remains in my memory as it was the first time in my life even being aware of a word called upstaged. 3 seconds in and Cher didn't exist anymore.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 18:57:17 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: RIP Jack Bruce

That was a shock. Funnily enough I've been listening to Manfred Mann's "Instrumental Asylum" EP today (working on a future Toppermost) and had noted Jack Bruce's extraordinary bass playing on it, then I went to my favorite s/h record store and there was a copy of "Anyone for tennis" for £2 and I bought it - in neither case knowing he had just passed.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 18:53:32 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cher

I hadn't linked the Toppermost from Thursday - here it is. Cher.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 18:44:58 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.56)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC . The music, well, any music in North America that wasn't or isn't Native American music could be said to trace it's roots to Europe or Africa. At this point, maybe even Asia. An aside,NWC: If you feel left out {"Jewishness is the key. As a white Lutheran I am only outsider."),and want to experience the inside, marry a Jewish woman. Serves ya right! And that'll teach ya. Of course, I'm only joshuaing.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 18:03:53 CEST 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Garth probably has the most European music roots. He has name-checked Anglican church music, the Bach Chorales, and a number of European accordianists as influences. Of course, his roots are wide-spread and are hardly limited to one area.

On another note, Jack Bruce has passed on.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 14:48:56 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Europe

Subject: European origins?

On a serious side. - As an intelligent person Peter V had the good taste to remind of Cher's Armenian roots in some other planet in cyberspace. These roots are thousends of years old. Then he listed several Native-American influences which are more documented. Good for him. - This is what bothers me the most with the history of The Band. We get testimonies all the way from Simcoe via Woodstock (not too many) to Arkansas (not at all, actually) but never from their European roots. I mean, they are not from Asia or Africa, aren't they? Garth Hudson and Antarktis, I'm not so sure. Jewishness is the key. As a white Lutheran I am only outsider.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 14:38:34 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Subject: Baker Street

Raphael Ravenscroft bore a lot of ill feeling over that memorable sax part, not just qualms about his intonation. Gerry said he wrote the melody but never got around to putting words to it, and they ended up using it as a sax solo. Raphael says he came up with the phrase himself during the session. He claims to have been paid only after several phone calls, and then the cheque for 27 pounds bounced. No surprise that it irked him greatly to hear the damn thing everywhere he went, to hear every amateur saxophonist attempt it, and know the volume of cash it was banking. Like Matthew Fisher's claim that Whiter Shade Of Pale owed its success largely to his organ part, as well as matters closer to home. At the end of the day, though, Raphael was clearly a hired gun, due only a session fee. If I recall, he appears on several tracks on the album City to City (which contains Baker Street), so you would think there would have been more cheques, or one larger one...who's to know.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 14:36:29 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Time

Jerry Lee Lewis's Rock & Roll Time is due out next week. Good reviews today which talk about the star-studded band with Robbie Robertson. I suspect looking at the page already on this site (linked) that it's just the two songs rather than playing all the way through, but do correct me if I'm wrong.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 14:29:32 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Another One Bites The Dust

Alvin Stardust, RIP. I liked his earlier career as Shane Fenton (with the Fentones) much more than his glam rock re-emergence, but he was a big star here.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 13:46:29 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.56)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Bent out of tune

Sax player on Baker Street has died. Interesting story about how he despised his take.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 13:06:13 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

One and a half month since she posted in this gb.


Entered at Sat Oct 25 03:00:46 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Vintage Billy Joel Band gets inducted into Long Island Music Hall of Fame - every time you turn around, there's another Hall Of Fame. Gotta say, many or most of them are ridiculous. The article is interesting though.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 22:50:47 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Bill M: thanks. Re #1, I thought that's what The Playboy Advisor was for . . . .


Entered at Fri Oct 24 22:46:33 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Two reasons: 1) People who'd otherwise buy just the cheap stuff require guidance through their journey towards world-class drinkerdom; 2) It makes the LCBO feel 'Official' (see earlier post).


Entered at Fri Oct 24 22:29:09 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: just asking

1) why does a monopoly need to advertise?

2) why is it legal to advertise liquor but not tobacco?


Entered at Fri Oct 24 21:59:00 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Turronno

Kevin J: I meant to post on that this morning but forgot. I didn't know that it was a general arrangement, but "The Weight" seemed a perfect fit for the product being pitched on the ad I heard, something distilled "by our neighbours to the south" - may even highly worthwhile bourbon. Come to think of it, maybe Carmen's 'friend' was really a bottle of JD?


Entered at Fri Oct 24 21:04:39 CEST 2014 from (24.114.69.137)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The Liquor Control Board of Ontario is using "The Weight" in radio ads to promote whiskey. The presentation is actually quite striking the way they play the intro in full before the speaking begins. An example of an ad for a product that is actually a great ad for a song. At 20, I guess this would have bothered me in some way, now - not at all. A few seconds in a day where, if with people, I can reference the greatness of The Band.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 20:17:55 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm with John D - if Jan's nose isn't out of join, why should ours be? In any case, calling oneself the 'Official' anything seems mostly a way for lawyers to impress marketers and for marketers to impress twelve-year-olds: "Hey Dad, can I have one? It's official!"


Entered at Fri Oct 24 17:08:26 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Me, I'm still waiting for my officially licensed High on the Hog cover art hoodie. If they don't have that stocked, they are dead to me.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 16:34:30 CEST 2014 from (24.114.69.137)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Thank you Mike. Appreciated….and Fred, agreed.  

JT: Made me smile……not sure what category “Ice Hockey” falls into. It is a back-up question to the Henderson goal for a Canadian Spy test to be sure but  on its own  is not incorrect……Perhaps the “local vs tourist” category similar to “The National vs The National Gallery” or “The Open Championship vs The British Open” and so on. I can think of some bars I used to hang out in that if someone ever came around asking for the place by its official name, it would have been time to run for the hills.  

Jeff: I am well aware of corporate shenanigans in the music business….and the ongoing struggles of most artists to get a fair shake. Another discussion for another day. I was away for a while and it seemed whenever I checked into this site for what seemed like days on end, the gist of just about every message went something like this…..”Congrats to Jan for 20 great years but so so sooooooooooo sorry about that other Band site…….my God, they are saying it is “official” and even worse…boo hoo hoo” The nuttiness climaxed with our friend, the first PM of the new country PNW channeling his inner Stan Johnathon and telling some anonymous record company employee ( likely an entry level kid ) to “Fu*k Off………..Oh, and there was Wallsend having to steady himself for a full day before asking a family member of The Band to please contact the record company and please, pretty please have them change the wording on a website…on fears that all of this was so “insulting” to Jan that he was likely never to fully recover………..assorted others here were prompted to inform us all that they would never visit such a site……So hilarious and hissy that I couldn’t even remember to spell jerseys correctly.  

For Bob Dylan fans…..we all enjoy the wonderful fan site “Expecting Rain” started in the early 90’s. There is also the Sony site called “Bobdylan.com” which is just referred to as “The Official Site”…….Not very complicated to figure out which one to go to for what or which one has the every day appeal for fans.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 16:24:05 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: New Band Site

Some will take notice that when you Google Jan's site and go to the front page, Jan gives you a link to the new site. I say, if its OK with Jan.........remember this is the World Wide Web. Lots of room out there. Anything to bring notice to THE BAND almost 40 years; since the original 5 broke up is a good thing to me.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 15:37:19 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Seth Lakeman

Review of Seth Lakeman concert last night on my blog. This is the most extraordinary fiddle-playing you will hear in an evening of powerful and potent English folk music.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 06:08:54 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

Jeff

Saw an old episode of Law Order featuring Jerry Ohrbach (RIP) & Benjamin Bratt. One of the early suspects in a murder case was a guy named Levon. Of course, as is often the case, this suspect helped lead to the actual suspect. Episode was one involving a rule bending narcotics cop, and a college student he forced into acting as a informant.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 23:15:57 CEST 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

"Truth is..."? That's funny.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 20:07:03 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

Jeff

Subject: Words

Kevin- your choice of words and observation are somewhat lacking this time . I've no great desire to pursue the subject, but, if you think people's objections regarding the welcome statement and in some posters cases the name of that new website, are a hissy fit just objecting to the use of the word offical on that website, well, you sure missed alot. Fact is, if Sebastian hadn't written anything, and then had Norm not made sense, and then had Sebastian not come back with a retort to Pete's rather mild, inoffensive thought, I wouldn't have written anything about it. Truth is , anyone who finds the welcome statement on that site offensive and realizes it is a start of greater offenses to come, is on the mark.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 20:05:57 CEST 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Official Site Sebastian

The Band Members have every right to their own Official Site and I welcome it. Afterall it is their music. They did build that regardless of what some of you may believe.

As long as no laws are broken, Jan has every right to publish what many consider to be the best fan site of any band.

Half the conversations in the Guestbook have nothing to do with the Band anyway.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 19:48:39 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.145)

Posted by:

Bill M

Fred: You captured Harper perfectly. To build on the thought, I suggest he's a minimal upgrade from the 'Joseph Harper' model of the 1950s - same hair, same stiff-daddy manner, most of the same thinking.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 13:50:56 CEST 2014 from (158.39.165.104)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

"Don't You Tell Henry" from the new Basement Tapes set %-}


Entered at Thu Oct 23 11:39:36 CEST 2014 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Kevin J: I saw the PM's comments about "jerseys" & " locker rooms", too. Let's just say that an HNIC live stream appeared magically on my laptop and leave it at that. ; )

Anyhow, the aforementioned comments are a confirmation regarding my suspicions that PM Harper is a poorly constructed American robot. ; )


Entered at Thu Oct 23 09:41:14 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Apologies, I was not suggesting hockey was not a good subject, but rather continuing Kevin J's point about sweater v jersey and dressing room v locker room.

We'd say changing room, I think. Dressing room is stage. Changing room is sport. Jersey has moved inexorably from a type of wool sweater via a sweater worn as uniform to any "uniform" for sport. I'd say "shirt."

Things change. In the late1950s, my home town Bournemouth, and Southampton, 30 miles away, were briefly in the same football division (Third Division South). Bournemouth described their strip as "red shirts, white shorts, red and white socks" while Southampton described theirs as "red and white striped shirts, black knickers, red and white stockings." Just thirty miles away, but for me and everyone I knew, knickers were exclusively female underpants, and stockings were made of sheer nylon and worn by women. When Southampton visited, we would chant "Who's wearing knickers and stockings?" to great hilarity. Mind you, when they beat us 7-0 at Southampton our chants ended up as a grumbling mutter on the way back to the station. And they were on their way back up the ladder.

In retrospect, I suspect the language difference was that Southampton had a very "upper class" owner, so used the upper class terminology. I say that because Southampton fans were all embarrassed by the "knickers" too.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 08:45:03 CEST 2014 from (71.237.246.42)

Posted by:

Mike Zeman

Location: Vancouver, WA

Subject: Thanks

Thanks for this site...I really had never heard of The Band until tonight and this really isn't my genre. But...I recognized so many of their songs and can see their roots in so much of music that I normally listen to. A site like this probably feels like more work than it is worth at times, but bringing history to new generations is a gift and I wanted to let you know how much it is appreciated.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 02:59:54 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Hockey Ottawa vs Toronto postponed/cancelled for today

Totally understandable. And they say they are still looking for someone. Some said there was more than one gunman.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 00:32:41 CEST 2014 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: October 2014- serious events in eastern Canada

Avoiding ice hockey and politics, as Leafs go to Ottawa tonight, I cannot but help to mention the activities of today in our Parliament. It is a sad day when it is not safe to be in the street near the soldier's memorial or in our Parliament buildings without worrying about who might be around. It is indeed a sad day when one of ours in murdered. The events in Canada in the past week have been frightening. (Montreal and Ottawa). I welcome the diversion of hockey from Ottawa tonight.


Entered at Thu Oct 23 00:28:04 CEST 2014 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Football

No, we are discussing history as we approach Remembrance Day. Ice hockey is coincidental to this discussion. Only football is worthy of serious discussion on this site. Please excuse this Canadian's misappropriation of hockey's mention. ('Go Leafs Go" - I couldn't resist, Kevin).


Entered at Thu Oct 23 00:16:30 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Disambiguation

Are we discussing ice hockey?


Entered at Wed Oct 22 23:33:01 CEST 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: History Of the Memorial Cup

The Memorial Cup now honours all Canadians. However, at its inception, history notes its birth in the following way (from Wikipedia):

----Often referred to as the ‘Father of Hockey’, Captain Liam G. Carr is the man responsible for the Memorial Cup. The well-traveled Kingston shoe salesman was a great hockey booster and administrator, championing his hometown of Kingston as the birthplace of hockey. Two of his former players and two of Kingston’s greatest hockey stars died in World War I; Alan (Scotty) Davidson was lost in battle in 1915 just one year after he helped the Toronto Blueshirts win the Stanley Cup and another Kingston hockey great, Capt. George T. Richardson, was killed in action in 1916. Capt. Sutherland, who was also overseas, was President of the Ontario Hockey Association and he brought forward the idea to present a trophy to honour all the young Canadian hockey players who died in battle and have it awarded to the best junior hockey team in Canada. The idea for the Memorial Cup was born: The Ontario Hockey Association’s annual meeting was unanimous that a fitting memorial be established to members of the OHA who had fallen on the field of war. "Past President Capt. J.T. Sutherland, now in France, spoke of the splendid work done by Canadian boys in France and suggested the erection of a suitable memorial to hockey players who have fallen."—The Globe, Toronto, Ontario, Dec. 9, 1918


Entered at Wed Oct 22 22:19:31 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: To each his own?

The phrase Memorial Cup to honour the veterans of "Ontario"? Non of the rest count I guess. It's blatantly obvious that most of the gab from Canadians on this site is the gang from Tranna who have always considered themselves superior.

In resent months the separation of countries from the Ukraine, to Spain and Newfoundlanders wanting to separate. Of course always Quebec. It was refreshing recently to hear more mumblings about the formation of the country Pacific Northwest. Then you Ontarians could go about choosing and squabbling with all your politician loonies back there.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 21:41:33 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Life is short . . .

Well said, Kevin. On all counts.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 21:36:35 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Stir the pot

Kevin! I think you should leave your political views as to who you would or wouldn't vote for off this site. You are just spoiling for a scrap. I tried to tell people you got a brain. Every time you open yer mouth you make me out to be a liar.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 20:03:44 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

We saw the gorgeous Sheridan Smith as Titania in Midsummer Night's Dream this time last year. The forest was like the Burning Man festival, the fairies were hippies and Sheridan Smith presided as Titania in Janis Joplin clothes (REVIEW LINKED - scroll through for pictures).

Her Cilla portrayal is incredible, and what is great is to see Cilla the rock singer before she recorded. I'd heard she was fantastic as a straight rock singer before Messrs Epstein & Martin diverted her to ballads. That was from a friend in 1966 who claimed to have been at the Cavern. Of course none of that was recorded, but we get it re-created. We started listening to Cilla and Dionne, and in spite of Dionne's superb control, it's Cilla's more passionate and much-younger sounding version that won. She could also hit those piercing notes as a trademark.

I knew that even in the early 70s, George Martin only employed the cream of session players for Cilla sessions too, and of course you get George Martin arrangements.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 19:51:53 CEST 2014 from (129.42.208.184)

Posted by:

Bob F

Location: HV
Web: My link

Subject: PSB Review of new Jackson Browne


Entered at Wed Oct 22 19:09:57 CEST 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Life is short and we would all be better off ignoring unimportant events such as words or phrases that irritate but it is hard to do. The use of “real” as an adjective really does bother me. As does, a reply to “thank you” which should be “you’re welcome” rather than “no problem”.

More concerning for me is how traditions can get changed – not for any good reason but due to laziness of the press. Anyone who grew up playing hockey in Canada knows that the change room was called a “Dressing Room” and not a “Locker-room”. Hockey players wore “Sweaters” not “Jersey’s”. Pat and I had some fun with this a few years ago and I am sorry to report that the battle seems to be tilting toward the locker-room/jersey crowd……the opening night of the legendary Hockey Night In Canada broadcast was tarnished not just by having Stephen Harper on the air but by his ramblings about “hockey jersey’s” . As if there are not 1000 good reasons to never vote for the man again, this inappropriate phrasing is at the top of my list.

On a similar subject, I detest the hijacking of tradition by corporations in the area of “Naming Rights”. The famous championship of Junior hockey in Canada is called “The Memorial Cup”. It dates back to World War 1 and was created to honour the Ontario junior hockey players who died during that war…………………To now have it named “Mastercard Memorial Cup” is a disgrace. The “Memorial Cup – brought to you by MasterCard” would have been ok……….Just as “Hockey Night In Canada – brought to you by Rogers” is ok but to be so grotestequely over-the-top with “Roger Hockey Night In Canada” really disturbs me.

Finally, the people here jumping up and down and having a hissy fit about the world “official” on what clearly is an official site is just hilarious………I thought Bill M best described how essential Jan’s site is to me and I would think most of us here by observing that if the Internet ended today, this would be the aspect of it most missed. Bang on and Bravo to Jan for 20 years. That said, this is a fan site that has evolved over time. I don’t recall that it has ever been licenced to sell “official’ Band merchandise and I do recall about a decade or so of its existence where the lead guitarist and principal songwriter was regularly just referred to as “Robertson” when he was referred to at all……….People change and grow and if one has an open mind at all should learn to accept the imperfect with the beauty. The Band encompasses all of that……..John D once put it perfectly by saying “I fell in love with The Band, not with their business practises”………………Best to Sebastian on the new book. Great to see it featured at this website.

God Bless to the members of the Canadian military currently under attack in their own country.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 19:02:48 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Swing Kids

Al, you and Peter have put me in mind of the movie, "Swing Kids". The young folks in Germany during WW2. Against the Nazi movement they refused to give up their music.

During the 60's, my two cousins in Surrey England supplied me with the stories of the Mods & the Rockers. Peter & Gordon Hughes, my mum and their mum were sisters. Peter went on to be a pilot for British Airways and Gordon is a barrister in London.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 18:48:58 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Cilla

As you'd imagine Pete we were glued to it and Sheridan Smith was absolutely captivating as Cilla both yapping and singing.

The Cavern scenes really were terrific. They really captured the 'innocence' and excitement I thought. As you might be aware the original Cavern was demolished many moons ago but the recreated one they used for the drama bears a very close resemblance and those early scenes were marvelously evocative and nostalgic.

My own Cavern days weren't til the late '60s so it was great to get that early '60's feel which my older cousin Steve and a fair few older lads I knew used to tell us about. Another regular was a cousin of a cousin who lived across the road from us and had a young baby Beatle who shall remain nameless. :-0)

A huge thrill was seeing 'Kingsize Taylor' who used to live three doors down from us in Vine Grove.

As for the orange and green or 'cats' and proddy dogs' it was certainly rife especially on July 12th. The Scotty Road area/Netherfield Road areas were pretty well split green/orange but nothing akin to the sort of intense factions evident in Belfast.

As for the best version of 'Anyone Who Had A Heart'? Well Pete there is only one and I've linked it [kicks in around 2-15]. Nothing comes close.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 22 17:48:13 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Languages / Dylan's Nobel Prize (JT)

In Sweden the minority languages have been legally recognized to protect the cultural and historical heritage of their respective speech communities. One of these languages is Yiddisch which we have seen here lately. (I suppose it is Yiddisch.) Another is Finnish which is spoken in Sweden since 13th century. Many "Swedish" hip hop and rap artists have Finnish mother and father from Africa or Middle East.

Good luck JT in your project to have Bob Dylan as Nobel Prize winner. I followed the process close enough for about ten years ago to realize that it is a dirty game. Dylan was among top three then. I don't have high hopes any more.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 17:44:42 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Lets make this "OFFICIAL"

Well whom ever decided to declare an "Official" website, at this stage of the game......that's just awesome.........whatever.

Seems pretty silly to make that declaration.......now.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 16:21:23 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.10)

Posted by:

Jeff

Something to think about. None of my business, but- reality is, if the record label's expense(legal work & fees are involved in a undertaking of this type too) exceeds the record label's income from the new site, it could actually be a negative mark in the books of larger things...... of course, at this point, what this actually means to Band members, who the hell knows.

But, that welcome declaration is a fine example of how history gets rewritten and reality (,in this case not Band reality but Band related reality), the twenty year existence of Jan's website, gets ignored, overlooked, and insulted.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 14:31:59 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.10)

Posted by:

Jeff

Sebastian, you and the copywriters of that new "official" website are certainly giving the folks here a dose about wording.
You just wrote: "All it means is that all proceeds from the site will be split between the members and families of The Band." Well then, it's certainly nice of the record company and merch company to donate cds, t shirts, the many hours of web work, shipping, clerical, and bookkeping time, the expense of packing material, and postage.

See, after your original response," However, there are people profiting from bootleg Band merch and for the first time ever a deal has been put together so that all Band members or their next of kin will participate in the proceeds. This new site is put together by the record label and merch company and over time will hopefully grow into something that serves its own purpose." I thought it obvious that RESPONSE meant that after the proverbial smoke clears Band members or their estates receive any remaining net profit. (What the "Welcome to" declaration means is different) But, business is business. And it is not easy.I am all for the effort that will be expended stopping illegal sales of Band merchandise.. Regarding The Barn, Levon possibly instructed the folks there that a %age of funds from any sales involving a Band logo or artifact went where they should.



Entered at Wed Oct 22 14:03:11 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cilla

Anyone seen the miniseries "Cilla" on TV? We missed the broadcast but bought the DVD. It's a wonderful 3 part bio-pic of Cilla Black.

The attention to detail is incredible - the first scene with The Big Three at the Cavern reproduces the stage positions and guitars on the sleeve of their "At The Cavern" EP. I did notice though that in Episode 2, the ice-blue Fender bass as used by Johnny Gustafson in the Big Three turns up among the elderly session men recording "Anyone Wo Had A Heart" at Abbey Road, and I think it unlikely that a crusty old session bass player in January 1964 would have looked at the Fender basses in the store and said "I'll have the ice blue one." I reckon they bought it and had to re-use it.

What everyone is talking about is "Anyone Who Had A Heart". Even Burt Bacharach has said that Cilla Black improved on the Dionne Warwick original. Several reviewers think Sheridan Smith, playing Cilla Black, has done the best version of all. See link. (You don't see the bass in this scene).

Train spotter nerdish point - the disc seen spinning on the platter is the EP version, issued months later, not the 45. They show the EP when she first gets a copy too- they wanted the picture sleeve, but the single never had one.

Mrs V amazed me by saying "That improved on the original, because the Cilla Black ends with a fade out ruining the dramatic peak." I argued that it didn't, had to go and find the single to check, and she's right. The single does fade out and it does detract from the drama.

Al, have you seen it? Was the Catholic-Protestant divide in Liverpool THAT strong in 1964? I'd assumed it was simply a matter of supporting Everton or Liverpool. We never had any issue over Protestant / Catholic in the South, though Mrs V who grew up in Belfast reckoned it was mild in Liverpool in comparison.

On all those "Oy Vays!" from Norm, I'll repeat yet again Max Bygraves' priceless chat show line. He says he grew up in a street in East London where half the people were Catholic and half Jewish. He said it was so mixed up that they used to sing "Oy Vay Maria."


Entered at Wed Oct 22 04:46:04 CEST 2014 from (75.82.244.8)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Official site

You might ask Jan but I seriously doubt he cares about the wording. All it means is that all proceeds from the site will be split between the members and families of The Band. Is that a bad thing? And no, the wording won't be changed.


Entered at Wed Oct 22 02:44:33 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Saints preserve us

Lord god in heaven.......I've been Jewishized. Here I spend all my life being the best gawd damn red neck possible.

I'm embarrassed. I hope Mel Brooks don't hear about this, although.......at the end of the day they agreed to take the ch+++s & the n+++++s.......even the Irish!

Now I got to stay indoors with the curtains drawn for the next year.......or is that only if yer a w+p.

All this religious and ethnic bull shit.....when will it end. "The times they aren't a changing"


Entered at Wed Oct 22 00:18:33 CEST 2014 from (67.87.217.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Norman "Chaim" Jonesewitz

Norm, i forgot to commend your perfect presentation of the syntax in your last subject line. Just one question mark though, it has to hang there.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 23:41:33 CEST 2014 from (67.87.217.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norm, In Bandland that T shirt should read - Fix My Rack.

Mike, Norm's got those fists reserved for some culprits who got it coming. Namely,a) the yutz who wrote that copy on that Johnny Come Lately Band website b) the yutz or yutzes who approved it.

Norm, yutz is yiddish also. I'm sure you got the general meaning of the word..... one more time, for example: It's always a shame when a yutz lands a gazinta mamela.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 22:29:20 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.155)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Let's just do this thing!


Entered at Tue Oct 21 22:23:32 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: This is a subject??????

All these gawd damn Jewish guys and their crazy expressions that no one can understand.

For girls who are well endowed especially in the chest it's very simple Jeff. We have T shirts for them across the "front end" is written...BUILT LIKE A MAC TRUCK -;) -;)

OY VAY!


Entered at Tue Oct 21 21:58:01 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

OK, Jeff. Got that. Still, I'd be sort of careful mouthing those words in — say, Norm's company, however. . . . You might get slugged.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 21:46:43 CEST 2014 from (67.87.217.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike :-), there's certain words I've always had and affinity for. Amongst, whilst, hence, etc , being amongst em. The trick is to follow amongst with em, rather than them.

Lisa, i heard the term ghost in spy and agency flicks and shows, now it's showing up in younger people's lingo. It'll find it;s way over to you guys.. Regarding your sister in law's use of volumptuous, in yiddish you say "gazinta", or "zoftig." One of them means healthy. Tsimmes is a stew of sorts, the base can be any kind of vegetable....A "moyd via tsimmes" maid with a tsimmes, a maid full of vegetables, is yet another way to say built like the great wall of china.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 21:26:56 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: attn: defense counsel

JT: You will appreciate the brand name for the new, fast-acting (as little as 15 minutes!) ED drug: Stendra.

One of the side effects (only rarely experienced in clinical trials) is "sudden loss of hearing."

Presumably, the sudden loss of all higher brain function is endemic to the condition and not ascribable to this class of pharmaceuticals . . . .


Entered at Tue Oct 21 20:48:11 CEST 2014 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Sounds like an ED commercial?

ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from Latin robustus ‘firm and hard,’ from robus, earlier form of robur ‘oak, strength.’


Entered at Tue Oct 21 20:24:37 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Do you remember when a robust person was stout? Or if you prefer plump? Or just fat? Then wine had a robust flavor. When did it become applied to putting new signposts on bike lanes, or issuing recycling bins by the local government?


Entered at Tue Oct 21 20:22:00 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: robust

JT, I agree that the time has come for robust action. Measures are being put in place which will ensure a robust response to these problems, and I stand on our record of confronting all such matters robustly. Please contact this office so that we can ensure a robust reaction to further developments.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 19:31:50 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Web: My link

Jeff: "Amongst"? You've been hanging out with "Pete," I'll bet.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 19:25:32 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

JT, that's perfect! You now have all the credentials you need to run for office!


Entered at Tue Oct 21 19:17:09 CEST 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: verbal assault

Its getting very interesting as more and more verbal assaults are exposed. I had a friend as a kid who used to say 'from on now' instead of 'from now on'.

' That having been said, as we move forward, let us go from strength to strength. With this initiative, our future is secure and the results will be awesome. It will be like the most inventive program ever and we will all be the beneficiaries of this program.'


Entered at Tue Oct 21 19:03:23 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Jeff, I never heard that expression "go ghost" before. Is it one that's common in New York? (Other end of the continent here.)

An expression that drives me crazy coming out of the mouths of politicians and bureaucrats is "as we move forward (with whatever)" - they all say it, every time they make a statement! And newscasters never seem to have found an alternative word for "scramble", as in "Parents were left scrambling for daycare in the face of the teacher's strike ..." - people "scramble" whenever they deal with anything urgent, according to them.

When my very dear sister-in-law was quite young, she used to come out with the best malapropisms, like presspiration for perspiration, and volumptuous for voluptuous. Always seemed even more descriptive, somehow.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 17:50:22 CEST 2014 from (67.87.217.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Dry Your Eyes

We don't have to cry or rent Madison Square Garden and run a benefit for him, but, signs of the times: Neil Diamond's new full length 11 song plus one reprise track project, Melody Road, is for sale on iTunes for just $7.99. At 75 years of age, he's been promoting the hell out of it, and will be touring from late February till sometime in 2016. ...well, he's had a lot of wives...

Thank you for the good wishes Norm.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 17:36:18 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: 'That having been said...'

'Going from strength to strength' - a favourite of politicians and CEOS.

'That having been said..." - a favourite of pundits and commentators.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 17:16:48 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Impatience

That's awesome Jerry, I agree with you.....sounds like we are gonna need a pretty big vault tho'.

Sounds exciting Jeff. I wish you good luck with the win and success with your project.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 17:09:53 CEST 2014 from (67.87.217.136)

Posted by:

Jeff A..

JT, there's so many ridiculous terms. amongst the most annoying to me- "reach out", or "reaching out.". Of course, that was a legitimate cop and mob term, used for when there was something serious. Everyone has been using it for regular communication for quite a while,. when you call customer service for anything, some idiot may say, "gee, thank you for reaching out about this"....another one is "ghost". Or " go ghost." I want to say *Hey, whe're not secret agents fucko, noone went ghost,* i was just avoiding you cause you talk like a idiot.

Pete, yes, and of course, everything they do, they're offering friendship...


Entered at Tue Oct 21 15:55:35 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Lest we forget....'awesome'

Hyperbole is best served by the word 'awesome'. The cereal was 'awesome'. My pen is 'awesome'. etc

Put this word in a vault and lock it with a combination that is so convoluted and impossible to remember that it is awesome.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 10:24:37 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Good find, Simon. I spent a while looking up the quote (and justification that while writing in the third person, Joyce echoes the person described). Many thanks - I'll mention it. Last time I looked at Dubliners was about a year ago when I had to review an ELT version. I don't remember what the adaptor did with that line.

Jeff, if one's source of information is "Jersey Boys" then the connected benefactor is kindly, wise and benign, and only sends in the heavies when someone is dealing junk to the daughter.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 03:08:35 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.157)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

Subject: more photos from Cdn Walk of Fame

I especially like the top one of Robbie and Garth (and the Mountie).


Entered at Tue Oct 21 01:24:52 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norm, hell, after DeBlasio, who looks to be a one term mayor, i might be able to become mayor of NYC.....chase, partnered with Google, is giving out 20 grants of 150K to small businesses . they were advertising it o in their branches and on FB, i guess elsewhere. I found out about it just before the deadline to put in a "application." Your business had to be a legal for profit entity, operating a minimum of two years, and have less than 100 employees. and you had to answer 5 questions within 1000 words. I got in with about ten minutes to spare, but then , you have get 250 votes to receive consideration... I'm thinking that the idea of all this is to garner some advertising value out of it. Depending upon when you learned of the grant , you had 2 to 6 weeks to get voted in. I had 2, but there were businesses getting people to look at CHASE CHASE CHASe and GOOGLE GOOGLE GOOGLE, for 6 weeks. Anyone who bothered really looking, saw that Google is selling different kind of services to businesses...Anyways, once i hit 250, they sent me an email saying that businesses who awarded the grant will be notified in January.... There's gotta be a couple thousand businesses getting considered, and about half the panelists represent special interest groups.... but any shot is better than none

Here's the deal Norm, I'm sitting on a powder keg. No joke. Lots of reasons. .Musically and materialwise insane. Give you an idea of the level of talent, the bassist on the project spent some years touring with Miles Davis, and everything else he's done is up there too...Everyone is on that level, the vocalists and players... Of course, the music part is not the whole thing, there's other heavy commercial aspects.... Right now, stock in my corporation is affordable. If i get that grant, the price of the stock will soar..... So, here's your chance. .... i have had two kinds of connected people take runs at me.. runs meaning seeing if they could slip it out from under me. One connected industry wise, and the others, the other kind of connected ...neighborhood guys here...remnants of the old days...i know better though.. that's enough for here...


Entered at Tue Oct 21 00:36:33 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: N-at

Youse guys is all gawd damn crazy. I have a life long buddy, whose irritating habit is .........after everything he says, it is followed by....and that, which comes out.n-at.

I took Tommy out fishing on my fish boat for a week many years ago. On a 33 foot fish boat you either get along or die....you can't get away from each other. After a couple of days of......n-at I snapped. Now Tommy is a really tough scrapper. I said one more....n-at we are probably gonna kill each other out. I'm gonna choke you to death. Of course you're not gonna put with that.....n-at.

He did his damnest but after most of the next day..n-at came out. He looked at me with terror in his eyes. We them both laid on the deck and bust a gut laughing. Tom is a good friend.


Entered at Tue Oct 21 00:24:42 CEST 2014 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: UPTALK

Oh no, Bill. UPTALK!! That's capital punishment. Save the taxpayers some $$$.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 23:51:55 CEST 2014 from (31.53.154.73)

Posted by:

Simon

Subject: Literally

Peter - there's also the opening sentence of Joyce's "The Dead": "Lily, the caretaker's daughter, was literally run off her feet."


Entered at Mon Oct 20 23:50:09 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Not a problem. I read it as uptalk so heard the question mark.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 23:36:58 CEST 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Question mark?

By the way, where did my question mark go in my question to Bill M? I forgot it of course. Handcuffs on. I'm on my way to grammar jail.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 22:06:45 CEST 2014 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: House of Detention

Bill M: Did they stick you in the house of detention for grammatical felony. There is such a place. It exists near the schoolyard at Eton, as I have been told by the UK educational administration, and there are a lot of people in there for life.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 20:23:38 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Did I ever mention my friend Julio? He and I were down by the schoolyard and these old people in the big pink house on the corner started screaming, "Grammatical error, grammatical error - we're calling the cops." One of the cops turned out to be a Mountie lady who I later saw in a photo with Robbie Robertson and Garth Hudson.

In other news, I got talking to a guy yesterday who was looking for a particular Ronnie Hawkins LP because his buddy John Till had played on it. Turned out to be Ken Pearson from Full Tilt. Said that he and Richard Bell both joined expecting to play organ, so wound up flipping a coin. He also confirmed that he got the offer as a result of Robbie, who'd produced the Jesse Winchester that he'd played on, putting a word in for him with Albert Grossman. Prior to the album, he and Jesse and played around Montreal in a bunch of little bands. He didn't even know the Karen Dalton album that contains what I think is his most impressive work was reissued on CD. He's on BARK's "Kings and Queens" CD, and says BARK's thinking of doing a Kings and Kings album.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 20:22:00 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Gettin the Vote!

So WHAT! is goin' on Jeff? All these votes. Are you runnin' fer President now....or Mayor of Tranna?


Entered at Mon Oct 20 20:20:38 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: with a smile

Another one that galls me is the use of the verb "to service" when "to serve" is meant.

In today's _Globe_:

" . . . overwhelming concern for the 163,000 . . . children serviced by the child welfare program . . . ."

I'm the second generation off the farm, but "serviced" still retains a particular connotation . . . .


Entered at Mon Oct 20 20:00:12 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: literally

Carry on this conversation. The next bit is from a book I'm working on:

The latest candidate for severe weakening is "literally". BBC Radio Four compiled some recent British uses of a word that should mean exactly as written, not metaphorically.

The court literally cut the baby in two (Ulrika Johnson)


We literally had his head on a plate (footballer Wayne Rooney)


(The footballer) literally had his legs cut off (Terry Venables, when England manager)


(These taxpayers) are literally in another galaxy (Deputy Prime-Minister Nick Clegg)

As the BBC pointed out, taxpayers in another galaxy would not be subject to UK income tax.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 19:53:53 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: decimated

Social workers describing the particularly vile abuse cases in Rotherham UK on radio - two different social workers - one said "The victims were decimated" then the other said "Yes, they were decimated for life."


Entered at Mon Oct 20 19:39:03 CEST 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: The spoken 'word'

'Whatever' is RUDE, Norm. I absolutely agree. It demeans what was said by the speaker and is dismissive.

As for 'So', Lisa, you are right on the money. It does jump out at you. We should start a volume on all of this as a project. The collection of spoken inanities grows.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 19:35:36 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Absolute WORST EXPRESSION

When you say something to some one and they are stumped for response or don't want to reply, you get "What ever". I just about choke the shit out of any one who says that to me. I consider it RUDE!


Entered at Mon Oct 20 19:30:29 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: More irritants

Nucular, right! One of the oldest.

I don't know if this is heard everywhere, but another verbal tic that spread like a bad flu is the use of "so" when an interviewee (particularly in the science field) is asked a question:

Q: Dr. Blank, what do you think are the main causes of global warming?

Dr. B: So, most scientists today think ... etc.

Once you start hearing it, it really jumps out at you.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 19:06:33 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Gawd Damn Sadavid

Sadavid it's Y'all. Get it right. Last summer whilst I had my yacht in the ship yard I went next door to Moxies for some lunch. Sitting at the bar were 3 guys about my age, quietly having their lunch.

A young guy who may have had a few too many was razzing these fellows whilst his girl friend tried to shush him. Listening to the "Accent" of these fellows told me where they were from. This young guy says to me well you and me belong here at least don't we?! he says. I said no.....we are just prisoners here. The guy about my age sitting next to me says, "Y'all handled that well". I said to him well 'pears to me Y'all are from below that Mason - Dixon line. He says yup........Texas -:)


Entered at Mon Oct 20 18:37:52 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: rise again

. . . whereas we all know the correct plural of "you" is "you-all" . . . .


Entered at Mon Oct 20 18:36:00 CEST 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Youse

The plural of the word 'you'. I love it. A friend of mine from high school - now a prominent TO legal mind - said youse all the time. It brings back good memories.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 18:21:41 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norm, get it right damnit! None of youse can say nuthin right is acceptable, though i never would no how say youse.. None of you can say nothin right- the kings highway english.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 17:47:53 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pronounciation? & great harmony

Gawd damn Peter non of you people over there pronounce any thing right -:)

The link is to one more Hoyt Axton with Linda Ronstadt, listen to how this girl could harmonize in her better days. Very sad how her health failed her. She was so sweet.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 16:54:22 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Until Bob Dylan gets it, the prize is devalued!

My pet pronunciation hate is "WOLD" for "WORLD. I hadn't heard it until the last election, when in the Prime Ministerial debates, Nick Clegg started saying WOLD every other line, then Cameron started following and it's spread like wildfire. Everytime I hear it, I want to say "It rhymes with HURLED not HOLD!"

I think Clegg has a "soft r" (or "She's got soft arse" as we used to say of voiceover actresses) and can't say the OR sound. But why has everyone started picking it up? Is it a public (i.e. elite private) school affectation?


Entered at Mon Oct 20 16:33:29 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Gawd Damn Newfie

Hey Joe.....howzit goin' with Ya?.........Se it's like this.

My tug & barge and the 2 loaders on the barge are insured for 965,000 bucks. I want 850,000 for the outfit. There are guys from different outfits that want mine. They haggle and wine. I guess they think I'm an old geezer and I'm gonna drop dead any day and they can get my outfit for what ever. Well fuck 'em all. I'll bop 'till I drop before I give the outfit away. I put in too many years rebuilding every thing. It's a good outfit.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 16:06:32 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Corrections be damned

'It' corrected me: 'nucular' for 'nuclear'. Damn corrections!


Entered at Mon Oct 20 16:04:18 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Not music, but interesting to some nevertheless: verbal irritants

How to pronounce words - a television phenomenon; 1) nuclear for nuclear 2) ekcetera for etcetera are the two which bother me the most. There are probably others

Back to music: listening to Leonard Cohen since 'Popular Problems' arrived. I always seem to go back.

I went into my local record store in Victoria, Ditch: Overhead playing was early Bob Dylan. It sounded as fresh as if it were written and produced today.

When will Stockholm understand that we are living with the greatest literary creator of the twentieth century and that his work is both worth in its literary excellence and in its relevance. Mr. Dylan's time is here. Its time to start a writing campaign to support him as next year's Nobel prize winner in this field. He doesn't need it. We don't need it. But it is the right thing to do.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 15:28:14 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: irritants

There are many, but the one that really gets up my nose lately is using "fulsome" to mean "full." E.g. the Right Honourable Stephen Joseph Harper:

"There has been very fulsome study of this particular, of these particular things."

The writers in the local paper seem to have a particular fondness for this abomination -- a recent review of a folk act criticized the lead for sounding "like he's singing into his fulsome beard."


Entered at Mon Oct 20 13:28:10 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ragtime: For years I had a tape, taken from bits of “Live Aid” that I used for teacher training. There were bits of introductions from London, Belfast, Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool, Cardiff, Philadelphia and Amsterdam. I used to ask teachers of English (non-native speakers) who spoke the clearest English. They all chose the Dutch guy speaking in English.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 12:57:07 CEST 2014 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: 40-40

I have noticed recently that people are spelling forty as "fourty". I wish the guilty parties would stop doing this immediately. I'm a sensitive lad, you see. ; )


Entered at Mon Oct 20 12:49:41 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 20 11:28:21 CEST 2014 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low coutnries

Subject: Irritants

English is not my "mother tongue" (irritant word, I'd rather say "home language"), so I am happy to be unaware of encountering irritants (or being one). A blessed ignorant I am.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 11:01:40 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Manchester U***ed

Finnish rock musician/author, a brave survivor from the punk era, Petri Tiili is a big English football fan and calls his band for "Pelle Miljoona United". Nothing for Al, I guess. He has teacher education and is probably wealthy too.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 10:07:42 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I only mentioned that offending team, Al, because I wanted to emphasize the irritation such use can cause. I agree that "Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic Football Club (was / were) the team with the longest name in the league till (it/they) changed (its/ their) name to AFC Bournemouth" was a much more pleasant example, but I thought a certain team which (is/are) too full of (itself/themself / themselves) gave that added burn to the irritation.

BTW, Bournemouth has the second longest railway platform in the UK, perhaps built to match the name. Or rather it is a tribute to those far off days when the British holidayed in Britain and extremely long trains came in on Saturdays from (e.g.) the city with two football clubs, both having the same first half of the name, neither of which clubs anyone else likes.

If you've ever ben to Boscombe, you'll know why they changed the name, though the ground is directly next to Boscombe.

Southampton EIGHT, Al. After offloading half the team to your lot.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 08:55:54 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Major bone shaking irrational irritant

Seeing the term 'Manchester United' anywhere is a big enough challenge to my system - but on THE Band website it really does chill me to the core. My precious BAND and Man U on the same feckin page. Ugh. It's like your wife telling you she's leaving you for a hideous wealthy teacher who bullied your kids. Ugh. I need help. :-0)

Pete, you could have used Bournemouth and Boscombe United or even Plymouth feckin Argyle. Please think on.

:-0)

To be honest nothing really gets to me that much on this score. Which is a surprise given my own knee-jerk dispotion to alot of stuff. But one that I suppose is a bit of a concern in terms of the whole 'respect for the language' thing is the number of younger people who seem to think that it really is:

"I should 'of' done this"

as distinct from

"I should 'have' done this"

Just seems a bit sad to me rather than irritating that they don't seem even to be aware of the distinction.

But back to the main issue. Please nobody ever so much as breath mention of Man United on here. It's straying into desecration territory

Oops - I just mentioned it.

Shit!

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 20 05:26:46 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Canada Walk of Fame The Band

Excellent photos here are found on the internet and similar to the one linked earlier at this site. Taken by photographers who provided them to media sites. Great photos from that event. I unfortunately could not be present at this event. I have let JH know by e-mail and apologized that I was not clear when they were provided to him.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 02:08:02 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Hey, easy there, Peter. But hats off. Yes, I find the "corporate they" irritating, while also recognizing that virtually everyone in the English-speaking world, including me unwittingly, uses it. Damn me! I also get peevish over "further" and "farther," but that's for another day. Yes, I know, both perfectly acceptable. Excuse me . . . I need to find a sedative . . . .


Entered at Mon Oct 20 01:24:11 CEST 2014 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island

Happy 20th Jan. I've probably related the story of my first internet search a few times but.... the gist is 'the band' didn't work so well but 'rick danko' brought me here.

Hey Norm. Glad to hear retirement is working out well for you.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 00:08:48 CEST 2014 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Rockin Chair's comment

Rockin Chair, I am sure we all agree with you for more than 100%. Nobody here will ever prefer any other Band website to Jan's. So... what on earth makes you so very angry that you don't even trust your computer anymore??


Entered at Mon Oct 20 00:00:03 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well said, Norm. there is indeed a question of R-E-S-P-E-C-T, plus I believe this site had Levon and Garth's blessing. BUT I think it would all be solved by inserting "Merchandise" so this new site was "The Band Official Merchandise Site". That's OK. Jan doesn't want to be packaging and mailing T-shirts. There's room for that too.

Great Hoyt Axton story.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 23:46:33 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: As I was saying.......

I don't know what is happening with my computer here. I guess I haven't used it in so long it doesn't know me any more./n I have noticed certain comments here, (and haven't had time to read them all). How can any one......now at this time decide to make a ridiculous statement about an "Official Band Site" I s it meant to be some kind of cheap shot at Jan?

This site is, has been, and always will be, THE OFFIVIAL BAND SITE! For all of these 20 years, (I think my participation is about 12 years), Jan has moderated, put up with a lot of strife and crap and very willingly helped to keep the legacy of the Band. For those of us who are die hard fans from the days of Ronnie Hawkins, no one, and that is NO ONE! has been more dedicated to enriching our lives with the good things and music of the BAND.

I personally think that this sort of comment, "official band site" is a shot that Jan doesn't deserve. He has dedicated all these years to the true fans of a BAND that will never be equalled. That's all I have to say about that.

This is now an example of what Jan has allowed on his site, in the interests of music. If you will allow me, I'll relate a little story that is a heart warmer, (for those of us old guys, (and dolls).

A couple of nights ago I was loaded up on my barge with road building equipment. I had to go into Mackenzie Sound to pick up a rock drill. There is a narrows to go thru, where the tide runs pretty swift. I had to wait 'till high tide at 08:00 to load anyway. My deck hand had hit the bunk and I was on my watch. Idling along waiting for tide.

To keep myself awake and sharp, I very often stick in one of my old cassette tapes of my favourites. The link I have provided is a song from this tape.

Some of you may perhaps remember a story from long ago. Up the Fraser River here in BC is a lake. Stave Lake, just above Haney away, has a hydro dam. About 1982 I used to tow logs down this lake from my brother Howie's logging operation. Not many years later at the same location where I towd the logs to for reload to the mill, a little town was built for a TV series called "Border Town". In the movie this was a town on a border between USA & Canada.

Well in the mid 80's this town was used for the site of a movie. The remake of an old movie called "We're No Angels". This remake starred, Robert Deniro, Sean Penn, Demi Moore and Hoyt Axton. (If you haven't seen and ever get the chance, watch it. It is great.

At the wrap up of the movie, there is a "Wrap Partry" for all the cast and crew. My friends in a band, (including Fast Eddy Molyski whose studio I recorded my CD at) were hired to play the music for this party.

Eddy called me and said, "hey" we don't really know any of Hoyt's music. You do, would you come and play a couple of sets with us. Of course I said sure! Well I had the opportunity to play with Hoyt Axton once a few years before.

Now I'm not sure if any one knows how big Hoyt Axton was. I'm a little over six feet and 190. Along side Hoyt I look like a gawd damn Hobbit. Hoyt came staggering up on the stage after we had done our first set. I was singing "Della & The Dealer". Hoyt has on a leather bomber style jacket. Out of one pocket is sticking a big bottle of Jack Daniels. Out of the other a big plastic bag of "buds". He remembered me! He says, Norm........don't ever plug my guitar in.

I think there was 9 of us on the stage and a sax, which is great in one particular recording of this song. So I got to sing this song with Hoyt Axton.....so as I idled along the other night I listened to this song, and enjoyed this memory of a night with a great man that I had the pleasure of sharing.

Who ever thinks that this site of Jan's is not "The official Band Site"............fuck you!


Entered at Sun Oct 19 23:40:02 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mike, I'm curious … the apostrophes quoted are as they were at the time. What's the irritant? Is it a corporate "they" and "their" rather than "it" and "its"? That's the old "Manchester United is …" / "Manchester United are …" question. Both are equally acceptable in British English. Or is it something else?


Entered at Sun Oct 19 23:04:26 CEST 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: "The OFFICIAL Band Website"???...The Moderator & an old story

I have been away at work for quite some time now.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 22:03:26 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

This is from Peter Viney's blog (linked below): "Barclays Bank was originally Barclay, Bevan & Co, named after James Barclay, then Barclay & Company. They were commonly known as Barclay’s but when they changed their name to Barclays Bank Limited in 1917, . . ." His second line contains one of my grammar irritants.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 20:49:01 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Dennis

Affect and effect.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 19:55:19 CEST 2014 from (24.161.13.51)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties

There, their and they're?


Entered at Sun Oct 19 19:47:42 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: there's a mountie in my . . .

Answer to the question: why is a Mountie in the photo? It's what the RCMP does. Throw in a Mountie whenever there's a terrific photo-op. Mounties also are very iconic in the GWN. Canada = Mounties, the beaver, maple leaves. Not to mention that this event is long, long, long overdue. (Canadians tend to move in slo-mo.) Plus, for the RCMP, it's very good PR for a force that has withstood several nasty PR black-eyes of late.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 19:02:25 CEST 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Irritants

I hate the use of "you know" every 3rd word or so. I used to do it, and my Dad would always say "No I don't know"

Nice photo of Garth and Robbie


Entered at Sun Oct 19 18:45:43 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Walk of Fame pic

I think they look very good, both of them. I'm not sure what that mountie's doing standing behind Robbie's shoulder though


Entered at Sun Oct 19 18:12:24 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Don't leave home without it!

Some guys don't leave home without their hat. Some guys don't leave home without their scarf. See the link.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 15:26:36 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Walk of Fame inductees

The Canadian Walk of Fame: Robbie Robertson and Garth Hudson were present to acknowledge The Band 'star' in downtown Toronto. The late Jeff Healy was also inducted (a terrific individual who we had the pleasure to meet a few years ago when he performed in Victoria).


Entered at Sun Oct 19 13:57:40 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan in Seattle

Speaking of Bob Dylan, his first Seattle Paramount Theatre show has received excellent reviews with Dylan doing material largely from this decade. Dylan and the band are noted to be in fine form and appreciated highly by everyone who cared to write about the show. He continues on the USA west coast for a bit and later in the year goes east.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 12:48:47 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Gypsy

While generally not a fan of stage musicals, the first British production of "Gypsy" in 40 years is fantastic. Linked.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 09:12:22 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Irritants

We all have irritants. I agree on "he and I" but I'd call "Its / it's" either a common typo or a logical error. This is from my article on apostrophes (whole article is linked):

At some point in the 17th century, apostrophes were used to show possession: John’s book, Ann’s pen. John Ash in Grammatical Institutes (1785) believed that the apostrophe for possession ‘seems to have been introduced by mistake.’

Bill Bryson traces the history of the apostrophe in Made in America. He points out that Jefferson, in his draft of the Declaration of Independence, always wrote it’s for the possessive form of it. Bryson says:

‘In fact there was some logic to it. As a possessive form, the argument went, its required an apostrophe in precisely the same way as did words like children’s or men’s. Others contended, however, that in certain common words like ours and yours it was customary to dispense with the apostrophe, and that its belonged in this camp. By about 1815, the non-apostrophists had their way almost everywhere, but in 1776 it was a fine point.’

David Crystal has said that the it’s / its distinction was set in stone by printers at Oxford University Press in the 1830s.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 06:47:50 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

I just wish I had an accent like Levon. I work with a guy from Texas and I love the way he speaks.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 03:06:23 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Irritants

People who end every sentence? With a question mark?

Between he and I; free reign; the complete abuse of the apostrophe, especially the never-ending confusion between "its" and "it's" ... the list is endless, and newspapers are as guilty as anybody. If even they don't care (or know), what hope is there? Ah well, this is how language changes. And if it didn't, we'd all still be speaking Olde English I guess.

Many years ago, I asked my son's Grade 4 teacher why nobody used sentence diagramming as a means of teaching grammar. "Some people don't learn visually," he sniffed. No, but about 95% of people do. Rather like a recent story in the news about a woman whose daughter (age at least 8) has a severe dairy allergy. She wants all milk products banned from the school, if you please. Never mind teaching her daughter to be responsible for herself. Or the fact that growing bones need dairy products. Is it surprising that kids today feel so entitled?

Spelling, grammar and even cursive writing are no longer taught in the schools around here.

I know this all sounds terribly old fogeyish, but really!


Entered at Sat Oct 18 23:43:45 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: up

Like Dylan's singing sometimes 'upsinging': I don't like it and I never say anything bad about him. Sorry about 'i' for I and 'to' for 'two'. Gotta be careful, 'eh'. (The Canadian 'eh' drives me nuts and I am guilty as charged!).


Entered at Sat Oct 18 23:27:50 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It's called "uptalk" by applied linguists. "Valley Girl" is an American description. In the UK, we say teens learned it from the Australian soap "Neighbours" buut Australians protest it comes from New Zealand. It has existed for hundreds of years in some British and American regions (like Norfolk, UK).

It grows because it uses intonation to replace grammatical inversion of words. It's easier. It grows. It will continue to grow.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 23:26:21 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Speaking of....

Verbal communication is a funny thing. There are irritants. I should learn to tolerate them but ....yesterday i heard to erudite people using the 'spacer' (maybe a chance to think like 'er' or 'uh' or 'um' used to be)- 'yuh know' repeatedly in conversation during an interview about ebola. I dislike 'like ' as a 'spacer' intensely (from the valley girl days, it has now increasingly exploded into usual conversation). Finally, the statement that sounds like a question when it comes out of the mouth drives me crazy. Picky, eh? I'm sure I have speech quirks also but I'd be interested in knowing what drives others here nuts if you want to share.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 20:12:07 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A..

Al, one man's sarf is another man's souf.

Rod, i failed to properly describe a growing phenomena here in the U.S. Some kind of universal , sanitized, non discernible accent has been found to be attractive and now has gained a strong enough foothold that kids from very distinct ethnic backgrounds and even in very distinct sounding neighborhoods, in cases where the families really push education, more and more of these kids are growing up with these sanitary accents. For it to even happen here in NYC, as opposed to Topeka, Kansas, Ojai, California, Chicago, Mobile, Miami say, is kind of odd to me. Why a NYer wouldn't want to sound like they're from N.Y, is beyond me. Why anyone would want to sound different than where they came from is beyond me, but maybe , accents are becoming part of the chain restaurant and chain store culture we live in. It sucks, but it's happening...


Entered at Sat Oct 18 14:55:33 CEST 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Bathurst and Bloor to Yongue (Yonge) St. - Toronto

Bathurst and Bloor was famous as the corner (southwest) that housed Honest Ed's, a discount 'everything imaginable' store. It is doomed to be replaced. Go west on Bloor a few blocks and you have Long and McQuade Music (instruments) store, site of the Concord Tavern, one of the downtown bars where the OQ earned their stripes. Go east along Bloor to Yonge St. (a few blocks) and you arrive at Bloor and Yonge St. Then go south and you arrive at the sites of the Friar's Tavern where the boys spent some time often with Ronnie Hawkins. Its all changed, of course, but the buildings remain in other guises.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 08:54:24 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Brooklyn scouse wajreet

No probs Jeff

We'd have a definite strong 'r' before the 'eat' bit but essentially the same.

Down sarf in Pete's domain they'd be inclined to say "I say old chap have you perchance partaken of your evening meal?"

Pete will I'm sure confirm this is how the paralance goes around his neck of the woods.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Oct 18 08:04:47 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Jeff, most teenage girls in NZ already talk like they're from California.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 03:59:34 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: what are you, out of your mind?

Al, Pete, anyone else, any ideas what "djaeet yet?" or "whadjaeet?" means? It's how we talk here....changing fast though.... regardless of income classes, so many young kids sounding like thugs, and the other ones coming from (any income level)families that stress education are sounding like they grew up rich in the midwest, or florida or california...... new york and brooklyn accents gonna be gone...15 years from now almost dead, 30 years, practically just a frigging memory....


Entered at Sat Oct 18 01:57:26 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yoomah, Yumah, Youmah, no matter the front part of the phanetic, there's always an h on the end. Yumah, or Yuma, are permissible Al, well, if'n they're counting letters on y.

And Al. At this stage of life, i was giving myself two or three summer days to complete reading one of your posts. Can ya start reading & taping em for us ? There's an idea for a GB. Can ya just imagine us all skyping on a central base of some kind.......


Entered at Sat Oct 18 01:33:30 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Sense of Yuma

Been there so many times pete

Mind you, my jokes are shite. So more often than not the poor response is understandable.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 17 20:15:14 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Similar conversation at the doctors, getting a small mole on my face checked by a young man in his 20s.

"I can freeze it off," he said, 'But it'll leave a white patch. I'd just leave it. It's harmless."

"OK," I said, "I'll just have to live with not breaking into Hollywood."

"I don't understand,"

"I've given up on being a movie star. Still, if the knee holds up I'm still hoping to get into the England football team."

"Sorry, is that a joke?"

"Er, yes."

Bugger, I thought, I'd bet he's written "premature senility" on my records. No sense of humor, young people nowadays.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 19:56:56 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: 6-packs

Often wondered what it'd be like to have one jeff lad.

No chance for me now no matter what I'm reading!!

:-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 17 19:08:34 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.54)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Excellence combined with passion in legitimate pursuits mustn't be restrained. As long as Al's posts can be read within the time it takes to consume a six pack of a good brew, I'll read every word.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 18:41:29 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: :-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 17 15:12:42 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

No, Al. It's 200,000. You missed a zero. With a bit of editing you should be able to get it down enough.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 14:15:07 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: 20 years huh

Many congratulations Jan. And warmest and humblest thanks for creating something that has never fallen short of doing justice to its unique subject matter.

I'd put up my own first post but I'm told there's now a 20,000 word limit.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 17 13:27:25 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The wine section is all too short here. I agree.

There are merchandise sites for most groups. It's a different thing. i'd rather The Band got paid for T-shirts, and got more by selling their CDs direct rather than via amazon. If they want to draw people though, you need the kind of thing (e.g.) Rumor does, like a free exclusive download now and then.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 12:49:14 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: new site

The new site may be good for selling stuff eg T shirts (I may even buy one of those) and press releases, but it's never going to have the warts and all type of discussions that this site can have. I will add to my list of regular sites to visit but I'll always come here first.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 12:24:56 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: I'm here for my health / New site

I just tasted Californian Chardonnay and left it there. I remembered Peter V's post about Californian Chardonnay causing headache. I wonder when this new site will serve us that kind of wisdom. If ever?


Entered at Fri Oct 17 07:19:50 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Dress it Up,Better Have it All

that's great!


Entered at Fri Oct 17 02:28:34 CEST 2014 from (100.38.21.92)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Dress it Up,Better Have it All

Thanks,Jon for posting the link.That was magnificent.Bob and the boys seemed to be having a whole lot of fun.Bob's voice of that period was beautiful and this song reminds me of the uniqueness and distinctiveness of The Band's playing.Looking forward to this release.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 00:26:37 CEST 2014 from (58.104.16.6)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Sebastion, when I got up this morning I was going to post a comment about the 'official' site but I decided not to. Perhaps some of the things I have posted in the past have been too blunt. However, I think the wording on the official site is an insult to Jan and all the things he has done over the last TWENTY years. Nobody objects to people making money from their talent but it is also important that artists recognise the important role their fans play in their success. Could you please use your influence to have the wording on the official site changed.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 23:54:59 CEST 2014 from (75.82.244.8)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: new website for The Band

First off, no official website will ever rival or even intend to rival the thoroughness and care that this fan site has achieved. However, there are people profiting from bootleg Band merch and for the first time ever a deal has been put together so that all Band members or their next of kin will participate in the proceeds. This new site is put together by the record label and merch company and over time will hopefully grow into something that serves its own purpose.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 22:55:06 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Web: My link

Subject: Dress It Up, Better Have It All

Bob & The Band from the upcoming Basement Tapes set. This is great!


Entered at Thu Oct 16 21:10:39 CEST 2014 from (86.182.125.186)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks very much for this tremendous site, Jan.

I think I've read every article on the site so thanks to all the contributors.

I'd like to remember all those who are no longer with us, especially those who I had conversations with.

Thanks to all those who took time to answer questions on 'The Band'.

If it hadn't been for this site, I wouldn't have had a day in Toronto tracing the Band's footsteps from Bathurst and Bloor to Yongue Street. (One day only of the holiday, Dunc, my wife said).

Also, taking the train to Stratford to pay respects at Richard's grave. If I hadn't had the pictures from this site, I would never have found the grave.

Finally, the music still seems so fresh and stunning, and hopefully will last a long time.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 20:20:44 CEST 2014 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Hurray... hurray...

Hey Jan...

Thanks for twenty years of your life spent on The Band...

You can call the whole thing off now...

This is the moment we've all been waiting for so long...

(drumroll...)

Here it is...

The Official Website of The Band...

(fanfare...)

They have nice photos, but I fail to see how a few Spotify links can add something when everyone in the world has his own ways to get access to Spotify. And their claim that this is what all fans of The Band have been waiting for seems a bit over the top to me.

BTW I always thought that our guys were on the Canadian Walk of Fame already, so this induction is long overdue since three of them don't live anymore...


Entered at Thu Oct 16 20:01:13 CEST 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: band website

I am not sure it explain who is behind this website but it might offer some explanation, It seems like Robbie would be involved. I'll stay with this website


Entered at Thu Oct 16 19:03:18 CEST 2014 from (92.18.164.171)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Thanks Jan

Welcome to the official website of The Band. It's been a long time coming and we are happy to now have a destination for fans to celebrate the artists and the music they love ? I think most fans of The Band have already had twenty glorious years on this very soulful website to celebrate.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 14:14:59 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Wallsend, I know what you mean, and I've got no interest in buying T-shirts, but of course will keep an eye on the new site just the same. I just thought it odd that it didn't reference Jan's site, they can't possibly be unaware of it. It's very "official". I imagine Capitol or most likely Robbie are behind it as the discography only runs from MFBP to Islands, photos are Elliot Landy and John Scheele only (I think) and there are some exclusive but predictable comments from Robbie about their Canada Walk of Fame award. The audio uploads aren't available where I am (Japan), and some of the ROA photos were new to me and quite beautiful, but so far that's it. It won't ever equal this site because they are a merchandising page, not a fan page. Still, happy to read the "official" line.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 13:57:53 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: The New Band Site

A couple of things. Thanks to Bob Wigo and Kerrin for pointing me to this "new" Band site. It is a little comical that they say "at last a site dedicated to The Band." That just doesn't make sense. The fact they don't identify who they are makes me nervous. Anyone who has been on the Internet for sometime knows what I mean. I know that Jan does not try to sell us anything; but he is generous enough to give us Links to where to buy them. I have put Jan's link above; which can be found in "What's New" from July. Personally I don't mind being shown where to buy this stuff; as Band merchandise is hard to find.

Finally, Jan being the Internet guru can probably at least tell us where this site comes from. Again it makes me a little nervous. Anyone notice that under a picture of the famous Band picture where they are standing in a row. They call the print "Bandy". Weird.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 13:15:44 CEST 2014 from (122.174.234.224)

Posted by:

Amyidkb10

Web: My link

I have been visiting this The Band site for a long time as I get quality rock music stuff from this site. I am glad that you shared the links to get updated info about The Band and I will definitely go through these links.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 03:53:16 CEST 2014 from (58.104.3.43)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Kerrin, I think I will be sticking with this site. One thing I like about this place is that Jan isn't trying to sell us anything.

Linked is Robbie's instrumental version of Out of the Blue. I know this is old and referenced on this site but I only heard it for the first time the other day.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 02:12:54 CEST 2014 from (64.134.101.239)

Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Albany, NY

Subject: 20 Years ago

20 years ago, I was not much of a computer guy, but a friend encouraged me to get a Mac and introduced me to the world wide web. He told me that you could search for anything on the web. So with my dial up, I typed in The Band. And slowly the image from the Band's Anthology CD appeared. I didn't look back. Thanks Jan. I am proud that I contributed in a very small way by giving Jan a Band single whose scan is still on this web site. A community indeed. joe


Entered at Thu Oct 16 01:35:35 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Web: My link

"It's been a long time coming and we are happy to now have a destination for fans to celebrate ... The Band and its music."

Hmm.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 19:21:05 CEST 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Please add my name to the many giving thanks for this site. Our lives would be a little less interesting without the Guestbook and all its interactions to look forward to each day. So many thanks for all your hard work and patience.

Re your photo: pretty cute!


Entered at Wed Oct 15 18:48:13 CEST 2014 from (129.42.208.179)

Posted by:

Bob F

Location: HV

Subject: New Releases

Ia anyone else enjoying the new record Trigger Hippy? It's a new group that includes Jackie Greene and Joan Osborne. Really good record. I think this fall has seen the best crop of new music released in years. The Connor Oberst, Ryan Adams, Leonard Cohen and Lucinda Williams are all fine records. The Jesse Winchester is great from start to finish.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 16:44:41 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Inspired by Roger and Ragtime, I went looking for my earliest GB entries. After rereading them I think they're best left buried. ;)


Entered at Wed Oct 15 16:02:26 CEST 2014 from (24.108.150.14)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Excellence in Education 2

Aside from the information and ideas provided, the beauty of this site (and it excels in this way) is the positive interactions among contributors. The sometimes bickering aside, most of the time, providers participated in a discussion of whatever was currently on the minds of the participants here. Someone would bring an idea into the arena and that would provide a nucleus for discussion and so we would all learn. The essence of true education is the interaction among the learners in a group. That approach has been central to the BG. If you look at most other music-performer oriented sites, you rarely get that opportunity. So again, something special, Jan.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 14:09:34 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

I doubt there are many things written about The Band in the last two decades, from YT comments up to major publications and magazine articles, that have not used this site as a resource.

Thanks Jan for all your work, this place has been an addiction for me for at least 15 of those 20 years.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 10:57:07 CEST 2014 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Jubilee - Jubilation

Hi Jan,

Many congratulations & happy returns

My first entry must have been in 1998, whene Jubilation came out.

I remember I got an instant reply from Joe's Generic Cafe... ;)


Entered at Wed Oct 15 10:22:29 CEST 2014 from (81.107.236.227)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: It's been a daily feature since 1996 for me

Fri May 24 19:04:06 MET DST 1996 Thanks Jan - for so much. The first thing I did when I got the internet in my office was search for the Band. (Like the first CD I ever bought - Across The Great Divide). You would occasionally add comments as a reply to GB postings - here's my first post:

Roger Woods

From: Birmingham, England

Wonderful site. It would be tremendous to have some interaction with "The Band" on it. It would be good to find out more of what Robbie Robertson's doing too. I'll be at the London Concert on 20th June.

(The Band site is not affiliated with The Band or their management. It might be in a while, though, perhaps we can get some "interaction" here then. --jh)


Entered at Wed Oct 15 09:19:06 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Congratulations Jan. I got my first internet connection around 1994/5 and this was the first site I visited. I had read about it in a book downtown which rated this site very highly. For someone tucked away at the bottom of the world it was amazing to be able to get the latest Band news and talk to other fans. thanks for all your efforts.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 05:26:16 CEST 2014 from (99.233.208.199)

Posted by:

Mark in Toronto

Subject: 20 Years

I remember the text based Band pages. Congrats Jan.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 04:08:11 CEST 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jan

Incredible site. Thank-you!!! Geez, I was 47 when I got here in 1999. Where has the time gone?


Entered at Wed Oct 15 01:54:45 CEST 2014 from (32.214.93.149)

Posted by:

T.

Subject: 20th Anniversary

Congrats Jan!


Entered at Wed Oct 15 01:49:58 CEST 2014 from (69.204.188.96)

Posted by:

RubenRemus

Location: NY

Happy 20th! And THANK YOU for this site.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 01:35:35 CEST 2014 from (68.198.160.198)

Posted by:

Bob F

Location: HV

Jan, thanks for the best site and for always making everyone feel welcome!


Entered at Tue Oct 14 22:14:04 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Jan, you rock! Thank you for 20 years of this great site.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 21:26:18 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

That last sentence brought a sad smile, Dennis. Thanks.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 20:46:10 CEST 2014 from (24.161.13.51)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties
Web: My link

Oh, what a wonderful, historical site you've created here Jan. I do remember Lee telling us at Not Fasde Away about this new web site, and Jan asked us to talk it up while on tour. In those early days, while out on the road, we'd give out the address, but no one knew just what the ".no" stood for!

Here's a link to one our earliest contributions, a sad, but historical weekend. Of note that weekend in Chicago was the fact that the Oklahoma City bombing had occurred earlier that spring, and the road crew's Ryder truck was parked outside the Sheridan Hotel in downtown Chicago. The cops must have woken AP, road crew chief, hourly to check out the truck. The cops also stole all my Band merch, so it was our opportunity to head for the stage, thus the momento.

Thanks again, Jan. Was over at the cemetery earlier, Rick 'n Levon are resting comfortably in the nice fall weather....


Entered at Tue Oct 14 20:26:11 CEST 2014 from (98.247.140.22)

Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Thanks to Jan

No doubt you could tote up an impressive investment of time and treasure on your part, Jan, but what you have created is invaluable for people all over the world who love and continue to love this wonderful band and its priceless music. Thanks - a million thanks is just a deposit on what we owe you.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 18:45:38 CEST 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jan H

Congratulations and thank you for this special place


Entered at Tue Oct 14 17:39:55 CEST 2014 from (72.78.37.180)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: It Was 20 Years Ago Today

Congratulations Jan! This site for me set the standard and always will.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 16:24:25 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.153)

Posted by:

Bill M

Congratulations and thanks Jan. If the internet went dark tomorrow, this site would be what I'd miss.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 15:14:06 CEST 2014 from (24.108.150.14)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Excellence in education

Its not often that anyone can be applauded for enhancing universal education. That applause is given to jh for entertaining and supporting an internet site that persists in teaching all about a cultural masterpiece. The OQ might have become an obscurity without this site and that would be a significant loss. Congratulations for the insight to do this and the endurance to continue despite the bumps


Entered at Tue Oct 14 14:44:50 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: It Was 20 Years Ago Today.......

Wait, that's a Beatle lyric.

Congratulations Jan! You kept our boys in the news. Required reading. Also you look a little like Warren Zevon; in that pic.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 12:32:32 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Another side of this site

Take a look of the source code of this site. It's simply beutiful. It's like a Norwegian sweater. (In Firefox Tools - Developers - Source code) Congrats and thanks for the patience!


Entered at Tue Oct 14 09:32:53 CEST 2014 from (58.104.5.173)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

The linked site and book may be of some interest to people here.

Congrats Jan, best fan site for the best rock band!!!


Entered at Tue Oct 14 08:21:21 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It was twenty years ago today …

Phew! I guess it was a year in when Lee G told me about the Band site" There are people from CANADA and WOODSTOCK posting! It's run from NORWAY!

In those far off days, my publisher asked authors "not to use the internet on computers that copy floppies for submission to us." That's how cutting edge they were in new technology. It took me a few weeks of secondhand news from Lee before I dared actually look myself. I've been stuck ever since.

So let us all raise a glass to our host! Well done, Jan!


Entered at Tue Oct 14 04:14:10 CEST 2014 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Congratulations, Jan! An amazing accomplishment.


Entered at Tue Oct 14 03:47:30 CEST 2014 from (24.102.114.90)

Posted by:

Eddie

Location: Queens

Subject: It was 20 years ago today...

Jan, thanks for 'keepin' it going' I got Levon's autograph when he played at a small club near City Hall in NYC called Tribeca Blues (it used to be a bordelo) He wrote "Eddie, you the man," Jan, you the man!


Entered at Tue Oct 14 02:33:08 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.69)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yep Bonk, thanks very much to everyone who voted :-)..


Entered at Tue Oct 14 01:40:54 CEST 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jeff

Way to go Jeff. We reached 250 and more to come.


Entered at Mon Oct 13 23:58:52 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.69)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Happy Anniversary, Mazel Tov, and Congratulations, Jan! Quite a labor of love, wonderful contribution and achievement.


Entered at Mon Oct 13 23:28:40 CEST 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

It was 20 years ago today...


Entered at Mon Oct 13 17:18:16 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: God Only Knows

The BBC "Children in Need" video … Brian Wilson & Various Artists. I got the CD single in HMV today. The full orchestral instrumental version is even better than the linked vocal one.


Entered at Mon Oct 13 10:46:50 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The miniscule royalties from streaming threw something into focus for me last week. A friend runs a secondhand vinyl shop, and he had his two invoices for Performing Rights for playing music in the shop … £180 for musicians rights and £180 for songwriters rights, One pound a day is not a lot, and the PRS is also chasing health practicioners. My dentist objects that he has a carefully curated selection of light classical CDs … Bach and Mozart … and while he doesn’t object to the performance half, he does to the composer share. Our osteopath has a small selection of New Age music, and also very much doubts that any of the composer share ever trickles through to the people who wrote the music on them, as it will have been siphoned off by the huge music publishers on its way. Like Sony / ATV in the article Jeff linked, who own the Beatles catalogue. If all you pay is “Pan Pipes of Dorset” by Cyril Swami Running Bear in your health food shop, do you really want to pay money to Sony and Bono?

But while I agree that if you play music as part of your business (and radio counts), £1 a day is not a huge amount of money, the PRS seem good at chasing soft targets like the person doing Shiatsu in their home to gentle music, but appallingly weak in the face of the net.

“Pool” payments are always arguable. I get photocopying royalties, and in the major places, they’re paid on an ever-changing sample of schools, but in smaller countries, you just get (say) £1.50 for six months for being a registered part of the pool. PLR (Public Lending Right) for libraries has a cap on payments, so the John Grisham’s and James Patterson’s are seriously underpaid – they just get the maximum, so more goes into the pool.

But the “hard” targets like the internet do seem immune to any attempts at fair payment for creators.


Entered at Mon Oct 13 07:20:32 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.69)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: WOW!

See the link! This is a disaster in the making! For one thing, think about radio royalties, who's gonna keep em honest? Hopefully there's maneuvering going on, and a deal is struck....


Entered at Mon Oct 13 07:04:47 CEST 2014 from (58.104.13.173)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Article from September 17 1976, no hint here that they were about to quit touring.


Entered at Mon Oct 13 01:20:39 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.139)

Posted by:

Bill M

What was it about "One Too Many Mornings"? I believe it's the only song on "Live 1966" where you get to hear a Hawk singing - though it was just Rick singing one word, "BEEHIIND". And now it's the only song on the Dylan BT set where a Hawk sings lead.

On the latter, why Richard and why just the one verse? Had the guys started up when Dylan was tying a shoelace or stirring his coffee, so Richard hopped in?

And why OTMM? Had Dylan and the guys just reassembled, so were getting back into the swing of things by simply running through the songlist from the last tour? If so, where are the other songs? Did Garth tape over them because they didn't have Richard singing? I hope the notes provide some answers, or at least clues.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 22:40:52 CEST 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: turtle smuggler

Details are trickling out in the news stories about the guy arrested with 51 turtles in his pants and taped to his legs (and another 200 boxed and hidden in snow boots and corn flakes boxes!). Most of the species were rare American turtles, valued in the collector market in Asia, but the part that puzzled me was that there was mention of red eared sliders. These are the commonly traded turtles for people who just want a pet, like Joan's Myrtle. Not particularly sought after as they are far from rare, quite the opposite. Further reading revealed that the red ears were all albinos. This indicates that they were probably destined for collectors in Asia, rather than food markets. Although in some Asian food markets, rarer turtles are sold to be eaten, due to beliefs about supposedly magical powers promoted in the regional folklore. I also saw some correspondence on North American reptile classified forums where potential buyers answered this guy's ads and got a "too good to be true", fishy vibe from him (operating under multiple aliases). Some of the species he offered can only be sold "captive bred", others are not able to be sold AT ALL. Many to most reptile enthusiasts in North America abide by these laws, and a murmur of suspicion goes out among them when something like this happens. Band connection? Some of the most detailed reports of this weird tale came from Simcoe, Ontario news reports, and we all know who our most cherished Simcoe export was...


Entered at Sun Oct 12 20:21:13 CEST 2014 from (86.181.247.53)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

KCSN 88.5 now playing Basement Tapes selections at the above link. Sounds great.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 19:33:36 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.69)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: The Rub

A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to his priest, "I almost had an affair with another woman." The priest said, "What do you mean, almost?" The Irishman said, "Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped." The priest said, "Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You’re not to see that woman again. For your penance, say five Hail Mary’s and put $50 in the poor box." The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box. He paused for a moment and then started to leave. The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, "I saw that. You didn't put any money in the poor box!" The Irishman replied, "Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that’s the same as putting it in!"


Entered at Sun Oct 12 19:28:00 CEST 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: PeterM

That all sounds magical. The only turtle I ever got close to was the type the sold in the store with the plastic bowl with a palm tree island. Named Myrtle the convertible turtle. Didn't last long


Entered at Sun Oct 12 13:43:21 CEST 2014 from (173.3.48.69)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, i think the authorities should make soup out of the guy they caught. It's unfortunate for animals that humans came down the pike. But great that your turtles have you for a custodian/friend.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 13:06:07 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Far East Man, with the Getty photos, you have to type in individual names.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 12:27:54 CEST 2014 from (74.75.163.103)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: The Band

Just downloaded "One To Many Mornings" from ITunes...it's wonderful. So good to hear Richard. I hear piano and drums...wondering who played the drums if in fact Richard played the piano. Maybe Dylan played the piano... I can't seem to find the the photos on Getty. I type in The Band and all I get is stock photos. Please help....


Entered at Sun Oct 12 10:18:33 CEST 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by The Pond

Subject: damned chelonians (turtles)

Jeff, I've never had an illegal smuggler experience with my little hard shelled buddies. I keep only non-endandered or "not listed as threatened" American turtles as pets, the way one would keep a dog or cat. I have Florida cooters which are captive raised and bred in the pet trade. They are "dog tame" as we say, and about as intelligent and affectionate as a really dumb (low IQ) dog. I did rehab a two footed Eastern Box Turtle many years ago, probably resulting from her being hit by a car before we met. She surprised me 10-12 years ago by being able to dig her way into a deep hole to hibernate successfully in the yard pen, despite having only 50% of the paws we thought it required to dig down 14-16" to survive a Phila area winter. The cooters live outdoors in a 200+ gallon pond 6 months a year (Easter thru mid-October), then move to the basement pond for the winter. One of them will follow me down the sidewalk and back, and hold my hand when she's in the pond. Comes when I call "Hey, baby". The only potentially controversial resident I have is an alligator snapping turtle. Resident of the deep south, with a potential 250 year lifespan and potential 250 lb growth over that time period. I've headstarted this critter since it was a hatchling, and have promised the wildlife authorities that when it's sexually mature at 12-15 yrs old, I'll return it to either breeding stock, or to repatriate in some bayou in its range. Now at 7-8 yrs old, this guy is a baby monster, capable of doing some damage. These guys should be considered endangered, but this designation has been been stymied by the "sportsmen's" lobbyists (They're 88-90 some percent depleted in the wild, for Chrissakes!). Anyhow, there are nerds, like me, trying to get around this loophole. I dig having the cooters as goofy little pets, an I am proud of my (and others') efforts to restore the Alligator Snapper to its natural range. As Rick stated, the way to fix the world is to start working on your neighborhood. The hardest part is to convince my zydeco playing friends that there is no one in my yard they could convince me to part with to make them a soup or gumbo!


Entered at Sun Oct 12 08:05:55 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Oops. Just didn't make the connection between the still photo and the movie.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 06:48:30 CEST 2014 from (24.114.64.176)

Posted by:

Kevin J

You must be kidding ....are you not Wallsend? TLW.............Loved the photos, btw...

Bill M: Thank you - very much - for re-posting the link......out of town....more later.

Jeff: The "Led Zep'" sock only once mind you - May 79 - but never turtles!

Mike Nomad: Nice one......any time anyone links anything interesting - even me - I always pause to wonder whether Angie has already done so.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 05:34:00 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Does anybody know anything about the photograph on the left in the linked article?


Entered at Sat Oct 11 23:00:04 CEST 2014 from (75.34.51.184)

Posted by:

Adam

Hey guys... "One Too Many Mornings" from the Basement, with Richard singing a beautiful verse!, is available in full on iTunes...


Entered at Sat Oct 11 16:54:30 CEST 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

In the spirit of Saturday plaudits, a happy Thanksgiving Day weekend (Cdn) to my friend Angie (St. Angelina of Cabbagetown). And to all others north of the 49th.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 15:55:02 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Band Pics

Great Pics! Unless I read the the info wrong they seem only available for business; or marketing. Don't know if an individual can buy them like the Landy prints.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 13:36:23 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Wallsend's link to pics

Thanks.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 09:56:55 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

thanks Wallsend. some great pics there. Still none of those illusive Shangri La pics. I especially liked the ones of RR playing a Les Paul at TLW.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 04:40:13 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

If you go to Getty Images and type in the name of our guys there are piles of photos I have never seen before.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 04:14:27 CEST 2014 from (67.84.79.92)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I hope you are okay, Bonk.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 03:39:38 CEST 2014 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

Click the link for an alternate take of "Lo and Behold!" from the forthcoming Basement Tapes set. It features slightly different lyrics as well as Dylan cracking up during one of the choruses.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 00:22:43 CEST 2014 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: God Only Knows

Check this out - really cool video of a cool song. I always though Rick would have done a great cover of this one.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 00:17:10 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Bonk, I can also tell you from recent first hand experience that there are worse places they can stick tubes!!!


Entered at Fri Oct 10 21:55:35 CEST 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Ouch!

You all remember that little procedure Levon had in the hospital where they go up your nose and down your throat. Well I had one yesterday and I gotta tell ya. I don't want a second one!


Entered at Fri Oct 10 20:38:27 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.110)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Bill M, the photographs aren't just of Robbie. If you search the site with 'David Gahr Garth Hudson' etc, other photos come up.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 19:50:18 CEST 2014 from (100.38.21.92)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Pictures

Tremendous.Thanks for posting the links!


Entered at Fri Oct 10 19:49:11 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Brazos

Wallsend, much thanks for that article.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 17:09:22 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Web: My link

Wallsend, what a find! Great photos -- I had no idea so many were taken in this era besides the Landy ones. Check out the linked photo of Garth -- I'm struck by how carefree and relaxed he looks in some of these.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 16:31:40 CEST 2014 from (74.75.163.103)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: Robbie's Guitar

Thanks for the info Kerrin...


Entered at Fri Oct 10 16:24:09 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.132)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kerrin: Thanks. Were some of the photos on the two Guthrie show LPs, some of which show Band guys, I believe, Gahr's?

For some reaon the opening line of "Me And Bobby McGee" ran through my head this morning and it finally hit me that, placenames aside, "Busted flat in Baton Rouge, waiting for a train" is like "Catch a cannonball to take me down the line, my bag is sinking low and I do believe it's time".


Entered at Fri Oct 10 16:09:13 CEST 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Pics

Great pics Wallsend. Normal guys who were comfortable in their own skin. No need to act or dress cool because they defined it with their music and their own style. Sebastian - can you offer any insight on the BAND Basement material being released.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 15:03:21 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Bill M, David Gahr died in 2008, but he took some great "official" photos. Presumably he was contracted by Capitol or Grossman to shoot promo material for tours etc. I think the Woodstock ones, including the mock rehearsal set, and Garth with his Lowrey in his driveway, were taken maybe December 1969.

Far East Man: Robbie was playing a Stella acoustic at the Guthrie Memorial shows. It has a single coil pickup wedged into the soundhole, and plugged into a Fender amp would sound electric. I'm sure this was all a wind up. I think, still leery of folkies since the '66 ruckus, Robbie went out of his way to show up with an acoustic guitar then get basically his usual electric sound. After all, he could have just brought the Tele.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 13:05:48 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.135)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Wallsend. I especially appreciate the ones from Woodstock where Robbie's with some unidentified other guys. I take it that Gahr's no longer around to ask.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 12:08:52 CEST 2014 from (74.75.163.103)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: Photos

Wonderful photos Wallsend! Especially the Woody Guthrie concert...wow! I've never seen a photo from that concert with Robbie playing an electric guitar, always wondered how he got the sound on Grand Coulée Dam and I Aint Got No Home...


Entered at Fri Oct 10 10:57:35 CEST 2014 from (58.104.1.62)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Some nice photos.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 04:05:03 CEST 2014 from (58.104.1.62)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

An interesting article about the song Ain't No More Cane. It seems strange to me that The Band would record this in 1975 when, as far as I know, they no longer performed it.


Entered at Fri Oct 10 00:31:56 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

John D: Yes. Or rather not "Yes" as in Alan White, but Andy White. Not so much a typo as a mental slip!


Entered at Thu Oct 9 20:42:53 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I agree entirely. And there's a decent chance that for Joni the 'big yellow taxi' meant 'police car' - as it did in some places at some times, including Toronto for a while.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 20:25:57 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter?

Did you mean Andy White? And not Alan White? Think it was just a typo


Entered at Thu Oct 9 18:46:16 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: SoundCloud

Thanks Jan for SounCloud but it has given me hard times. I have tried to listen it with Ubuntu, Linux Mint and Fedora but without Flash. No success. It was expected. Thank God I have Windows XP left.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 18:19:41 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: But seriously…

Most one-to-one readings of fictional works are misguided. It's combining bits of different "truths" that make creation fun. I'm happy with Joni writing about The Four Seasons at one level, and the pink hotel in Waikiki at another. And I bet the DDT on the trees picture in her mind was neither. And do they have yellow cabs in Toronto or Waikiki?


Entered at Thu Oct 9 17:39:36 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Interesting, and Waikiki is much closer to my idea of paradise than is any part of Toronto, including Yorkville in its heyday. Still, I suspect that Joni Mitchell, Ms Mitchell to Tiny Tim and David P, had nostalgia for the recently departed Yorkville on her mind as well as Hawaii when she wrote it.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 17:15:10 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I always wondered why the Four Seasons, Yorkville wasn't pink.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 17:00:49 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: on the (other) beach

Bill M: Toronto West -- see the footnotes at [My link].


Entered at Thu Oct 9 16:30:00 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: In Toronto, as is well known, they paved paradise, and put up a parking lot with a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot. It stands to reason that if said hot spot was in said hotel, it would be known as the big pink nightclub. Likely colloquial, with no capitalisation.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 14:51:50 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Sunday dinner

Bill M: you mentioned the connection between "Lo and Behold" and "The Weight" -- have you noticed that Molly from Chicken Town reappears in "Across the Great Divide"?


Entered at Thu Oct 9 14:28:02 CEST 2014 from (219.97.127.114)

Posted by:

Kerrin

Web: My link

John D., a clean version of Katie's Been Gone appeared on the remastered MFBP, by which time no-one was pretending it was a basement recording. Some sources suggest that the drummer may be Gary Chester. The Greil Marcus quote about Levon being back in time to contribute to Ain't No More Cane etc goes without saying, as Rob Fraboni, the Shangri La house engineer, asserts that Cane and Bessie Smith at least were wholly recorded in 1975. Various sources argue over when other Band tracks were recorded, some say they are outtakes from twixt-album sessions in the early seventies, some say "late 67 - early 68, studio unknown" and in some cases "drummer unknown". That's pure guesswork, if that's as accurate as they can be, guesswork or a smokescreen. For the record I happen to really like the sonically dumbed-down versions on the 1975 LP, it added no end of mystery and character.

Rod, the only Shangri La session photos I've seen are the ones taken by John Scheele. I've linked one of them, there are a couple more of Rick and Levon doing vocal overdubs, plus of course the well known one of Garth playing (which I presumed was at Shangri La but could be at rented rehearsal space, Garth's home...?). No group shots but who knows what John has in his archives. Maybe he needs a Kickstarter project.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 12:36:35 CEST 2014 from (58.104.17.65)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

The four Tiny Tim/Band songs can be heard on this website.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 10:51:24 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Big Pink Night Club

Tiny Tim … both online sources say “it was not Big Pink but another night club.” This suggests neither party in the Tiny Tim interview had heard of Big Pink, and assumed it was a reference to a night club … it does sound a possible name for a strip joint, possibly one with male strippers. Maybe it was done at the discotheque night club where Tiny Tim had a residency.

Purdie surely “has lost it” rather than “is losing it.” See Beatles forums. Given that the first four tracks they cut for “Please Please Me” were for singles from what everyone thought a no-hope band, smuggling in a then unknown and inexperienced American drummer secretly and slipping him ten grand to keep quiet is a hilarious claim. Let alone that we know Alan White did play on the first Love Me Do session. There were plenty of good local session drummers … Alan White, or Clem Cattini for instance, who apparently played on 44 number one records.

By A Hard Day’s Night they were incredibly famous in the UK, and everyone who made a cup of tea at Abbey Road or put petrol in their van has written a book about them.

The nearest you can get is a suggestion that the US releases of the Hamburg singles with Tony Sheridan, Pete Best on drums, were “beefed up” for US release, though those comparing US and UK releases say they are the same.

It’s sad rambling. Or was it a joke? I think the obvious answer is, “Clearly not. He’s neither as good nor as distinctive as Ringo.”


Entered at Thu Oct 9 09:55:20 CEST 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: the pond

Subject: Tiny Tim

Don't be too rough on Mr Tim. He ALWAYS called everyone by their proper name, "Mr Dylan, Mr Grossman, Mr Carson, Mr Helm, Mr Robertson, etc...


Entered at Thu Oct 9 05:22:36 CEST 2014 from (67.84.78.146)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bonk, i've heard Purdie did play on some Beatles stuff, but doubt it was much. Maybe it wasn't Beatles, maybe it was solo stuff, not sure... I've talked to him, in person, and on the phone, he's a complete gentleman.... He definitely thinks a lot of himself, and rightfully so. I don't mean ego wise in terms of the conversation, i mean dollarwise. But, the man is at the top of the mountain....and belongs there... On the other hand, every once in a blue moon he does some local gigs of his own, in a little bar, most recently in rumsen, N.J. Complications, i couldn't go..


Entered at Thu Oct 9 05:15:37 CEST 2014 from (67.84.78.146)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The Weight Live. Never Before Released!

Hit the link, hold on to your seats. On another night..........


Entered at Thu Oct 9 04:16:32 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill

Good stuff Bill!


Entered at Thu Oct 9 03:37:28 CEST 2014 from (58.104.17.65)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Linked is an interview with a Tiny Tin 'expert' (probably one of the guys that runs one of the fan sites where people were so upset about the official BTs being TT-less). There is a reference to a song on a TT album called 'I've Never Seen a Straight Banana: Rare Moments Vol. 1' called 'Tiny Meets Dylan (medley)'. Also, in the Howard Sounes book on Dylan it says some of the BT songs were recorded at Clarence Schmidt's house. Hopefully all of this will be made clear in the official release.


Entered at Thu Oct 9 02:08:48 CEST 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

Bonk

Subject: Bernard Purdie

If we can get away for just a moment from the great BT conversation. I just watched a video where Bernard Purdie states that he did the drumming on the first three Beatles albums and not Ringo! 21 Songs!!! Can this be true? I'm not hearing any 'Purdie Shuffle' on any of these songs. And Bernard is one of the most respected drummers and has been, for 50 years. Is he losing it?


Entered at Wed Oct 8 22:04:35 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: The listening party was just one of those things. Peter Moore had a last-minute cancellation so we were lucky enough to be able to move our annual 'vinyl club' get-together from its usual home 'round the diningroom table to Peter's to hear the BT restorations. Peter called his friend Bruce McDonald (who'd filmed the Yonge Street Rock and Roll series) at the last minute and he joined us too.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:36:25 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lo and Behold

For whatever reason Bill, my other favorite line was "I come into Pittsburgh At six-thirty flat, I found myself a vacant seat, An put down my hat.". Don't know why those lines and the one you mentioned just turns my crank.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:27:55 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill

Tell Jan I'm highly jealous of not being invited to your listening session. BTW, Bill mentioned that the engineer on the BT was Peter Moore. He's a genius; behind the board. No wonder this sounds so darn good. He would be the one to work on Bacon Fat for sure.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:17:55 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Re Tiny Tim, I'd meant to add that he was a big hockey fan, and was very excited to appear as a guest on "Hockey Night in Canada" back in the heyday of his career. I have a vague recollection of seeing him beskated and being steered across the ice at Maple Leaf Gardens by a couple of Leafs. I can't recall who - likely Eddie Shack for the laugh factor, but wouldn't it be nice if the other was the big Tim, Tim Horton?


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:00:38 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Petr V: There's also the possibility that Tim said "Albert" but Ernie heard or wrote down "Alan". Or some typist along the way.

John D: I've always liked "Lo And Behold" too, but I'm especially intrigued by the idea that the opening lines ("I pulled out for San Antone, I was feeling pretty good") are a mirror image of "I pulled into Nazareth, Feeling 'bout half past dead". My ideal would be to hear L&B nestled in a context of Dylan and Hawks song fragments that might suggest how "The Weight" came to be. (So far, there's those opening lines, the echo of the end of TWOF in the last verse, the structure of LBV, and a particular favourite churchy piano bit that raises its head throughout the BT material.)


Entered at Wed Oct 8 20:22:51 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Levon Helm & his involvement on The Basement Tapes

This according to Greil Marcus; as found here on The Band site.

"Levon Helm, who had left The Band when, as The Hawks, they were backing Dylan on stage in 1965, had yet to rejoin his group when most of the material with Dylan was recorded; he was back, on drums (mandolin on "Yazoo Street Scandal" and "Don't Ya Tell Henry," bass on "Ain't No More Cane"), for the tunes by The Band."


Entered at Wed Oct 8 19:41:47 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Petr V

PSB, check what tiny Tim said:

ERNIE: How did you get involved with The Band? Didn't you record with them?

TINY: Oh sure, in 1967. Peter Yarrow was very instrumental in getting me to Warner Brothers because he told Mo Austin about me. But the thing is, he wanted to put me in a movie after he saw me perform at Steve Paul's Scene. He was doing this movie in Greenwich Village called "You Are What You Eat," and I was glad to be a part of that. While I was there The Band was playing for Mr. Dylan. It was in January of 1967 and they loved what they heard. I sang some of the old songs. When he heard that they were playing behind me, he was interested in meeting me again.

But going back, when The Band saw me at the Peter Yarrow movie in January of '67, they told Bob Dylan and that's what led to Mr. Dylan's inviting me to his home in Woodstock. I was very thrilled to be with him. I went to Alan Grossman's house first and then his chauffeur took me by limousine to Mr. Dylan's house when it was dark. I'll say one thing, the meeting with Bob Dylan was another classic moment.

ENDQUOTE

So the chronology seems strong in his mind at least. Admittedly his seeming total recall does not run as far as Albert Grossman's first name.

Recording with the Band, then going to Woodstock and getting to meet Dylan (again). And clearly, there would be no problem finding a good drummer in either NYC or Woodstock. But it would be interesting to know WHO it was. And I still wonder about the "non Big Pink" Band studio stuff while Levon was away. They were always very tight on the "five together forever" mythology … it was years before it was generally known Levon wasn't there for the BTs.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 19:20:23 CEST 2014 from (31.53.222.163)

Posted by:

Simon

One Too Many Mornings is now being offered officially as an individual dowload. No Richard on the 30 second sample as it comes in on the second verse. I'm looking forward to this.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 19:16:40 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Really looking forward to "Lo and Behold." Would love to hear a clean version of The Bands "Katie's Been Gone." Now all I have to do is start saving up for it.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 19:01:07 CEST 2014 from (32.216.246.124)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: With a certain kind of blues music, you can sit down and play it...

Bill M. It will be fascinating to discover what the guys did when Dylan wasn’t around, especially if the progression to what they became by the time of MFBP can somehow be revealed. And I’m all for hearing some bedlam as well! I’m looking forward to the day when it all gets a proper release. I haven’t been as tuned in to these things as I used to be. Is there some sort of official plan to release The Band Basement material in a new package?

PSB, Not surprised, just somewhat disappointed.
I have ‘A Musical History’, and enjoy it very much, but it still seems like there’s pieces of the puzzle missing. One of my favorite albums is the 1975 Bob Dylan & The Band The Basement Tapes. I have the original vinyl, the first CD version, and the remastered CD version of it from 2009. I’ve known for many years that many of the tracks on it (especially The Band’s material) are not authentic to what happened in the basement of Big Pink. That doesn’t keep me from enjoying it for what it is, which is still a collection of great music……even if it’s not 100 percent genuine. I can enjoy it for what it is.

What I was REALLY hoping for with the new release ‘The Basement Tapes Complete’, was the real version of the album that we probably should have gotten in 1975……Bob Dylan recordings and The Band recordings. I want the album that I read about, as a kid in the Greil Marcus liner notes. Knowing what we all know now, I wouldn’t expect it to include any of the Band add-on’s that were studio recordings done in the 1970’s, but It would be nice to have some sort of official version on the 1975 album that’s authentic to the actual sessions.

I understand that the Bootleg series is Bob Dylan, but we’ve been conditioned since 1975 to believe that The Basement Tapes was a paring of Bob Dylan with The Band, AND additionally, The Band without Bob Dylan, but operating in the same sort of “clubhouse” ecosystem. This was not invented by us….it was presented that way on big discs with red Columbia labels on them.

I’m not normally the sort of person who feels entitled to anything, but in this case, as a very patient fan, who is willing to overlook some of the “liberties” taken in 1975 by Bob Dylan and The Band, I feel that the complete thing, being released in 2014, should have been a little more “complete”. It’s been 39 years! I have to think that leaving The Band off of this release was a business decision. Part of me wonders if it’s some sort of payback for all of the discrepancies in the 1975 release, and an effort by Bob to set the record straight.

I’m not angry about it, and will probably buy it eventually like I’ve bought everything else. But it could have been the definitive “Basement Tapes-Red Room-Spencer Rd etc. release.

So can we look forward someday to The Band Bootleg Series Volume 1 “The Basement Tapes”?


Entered at Wed Oct 8 18:45:15 CEST 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Meanwhile, in TV Land...


Entered at Wed Oct 8 17:55:08 CEST 2014 from (72.78.48.169)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Those tapes from somewhere

I'm with Pat on this. There should be no surprise. The Band stuff came out on A Musical History. This has nothing to do with corporate brains.

Since Tiny Tim was known to be in Woodstock visiting "Mr. Dylan," the stuff was probably recorded at Big Pink. John Simon probably found a drummer somewhere. Tiny Tim actually was a popular music historian with encyclopedic knowledge. And he sang in several voices.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 13:35:56 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.248)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

2011 article and interview with Robbie from Rolling Stone.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 12:47:30 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, the OST album You Are What You eat, as well as being beautifully packaged in a replica sleeve, is Sony Columbia. Not an obscure label.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 12:42:36 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Tiny Tim Sessions

Two of the songs, Be My Baby and I Got You Babe are on the “You are What You eat” OST album, once rare, now on CD and apparently still currently in print in Japan. I have a copy, bought in a moment of irrational Band completism. John Simon’s My Name is Jack is the centrepiece and best track (only good?) track.

The Tiny Tim interview was revealing, as well as fun. He seems the sort of guy who says, ‘Yes, it was Tuesday 12th February 1964, I remember because I put on my brown brogues, and wore my green shirt … anyway, after breakfast at Bill’s Diner where I had two eggs over easy and toast… I remember one egg was slightly overdone …’

So when he says the tracks were recorded in January 1967, I believe him. That’s chronologically fascinating. It’s before they went to Woodstock, in the “lost nine months” between the UK tour and arriving in Woodstock. Peter Yarrow says in the revised liner notes to the OST, that “the creators assembled in Woodstock” to add music to the finished film. It was a collage of sorts shot by hand with no sound synch. Yarrow adds “The Beatles stadium audience became the apparent audience for Tiny Tim singing Be My Baby accompanied by The Band.” John Simon describes recording My Name Is Jack to fit existing film too. So Yarrow and Simon imply it was done in Woodstock … and probably it mainly was. But I trust Tiny Tim’s recall, that he recorded with The Band in January in NYC and subsequently went to meet Dylan in Woodstock.

Whatever, two of the four Tiny Tim songs have been officially available on CD for years. Sonny Boy and Memphis are the unissued ones.

So, next question. Robbie said Richard started playing drums in Woodstock. Levon said he was surprised to hear Richard drumming when he got back in late Fall 1967.

Be My Baby is on YouTube. Comparing it to the OST track (which has added screams) the bass is more prominent on the YouTube one and you notice the organ more than the piano (LINKED). On the OST, the insistent rhythm piano is way more to the front. Different mixes or different tracks? So organ, rhythmic piano … so who’s playing drums? The drums sound professional, not Richard or Robbie filling in, and if you were booking a studio recording with backing singers, you’re not going to say “Anyone fancy trying the drums?” Again with I Got You Babe, the piano is hammering away.

So they had another drummer for that session. It does ask the question about some other of the non-basement tracks which landed on the 1975 release.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 11:46:07 CEST 2014 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

thanks for the Shangri La link. I've always been fascinated by that place. Hopefully Robbies book may cover it. I don't think I've ever seen a pic of The Band in the studio there.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 05:45:21 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.248)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Brief video tour of Shangri-la.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 03:18:06 CEST 2014 from (58.104.15.248)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

An interview with the said Mr Tim, our guys get a mention but not very informative.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 01:59:03 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Songs mentioned by Tiny Tim and The Band

This is taken from an article; on Tiny and The Band for the Lost and Found album and where the tracks Peter mentioned were in fact recorded.

"The songs that Tiny recorded with The Band for the soundtrack of Peter Yarrow's You Are What You Eat were not recorded in Big Pink, but in another night club. The exact night club has not been identified, but it has been confirmed that it was not Big Pink."


Entered at Tue Oct 7 21:05:00 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, Jon. The TinyTim4Ever crew are coming across as very hard line on the BTs. The TipToe with Tiny site is less aggressive, but that’s down to the high percentage of Castratos, perhaps.

For those not in the know, Tiny Tim’s BT tracks are I Got You Babe, Be My Baby, Sonny Boy and Memphis.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 20:38:22 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Todd: My impression is that the Hawks-only stuff was done without Dylan in the room, either because it was done on one of the many days that he didn't come over, or because it was done after he'd gone home for the day. Assuming the material comes out as planned, we should be able to get a clearer sense of what the guys chose to do when Dylan's presence and possible contributions were not considerations. We'll get to see what kind of songs they chose to do and how they chose to do them: did they tend to just horse around instrumentally?, did they fiddle around with things they'd done with Bob?, did they do some early versions of Big Pink songs?, what did they do to warm up when Levon returned after a long absence? Some of what I heard was bedlam, in the best possible way - and not just "Even If It's A Pig, Part 2".


Entered at Tue Oct 7 20:01:03 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Me: "Yeah, my favorite musicians got dissed again. Six CDs of the Basement Tapes are being released, but none of the stuff with their lead vocals, just the stuff where they backed up Dylan."

TinyTim4Ever: "You mean you can hear your guys on the set at all? Luxury! My guy isn't even on there. I keep turning up the volume all the way hoping to hear him breathing on a track or two."


Entered at Tue Oct 7 18:19:06 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tiny Tim

Thanks for the tip about the Tiny Tim Forum,"Tip Toe with Tiny" Jon. It's much larger and more active than here of course. Yes, those guys are devastated about the BTs. These are true music fans, many of them accomplished ukulele players themselves, "Two fingered Tommy" (he lost the other three testing a deep fat fryer by sticking his fingers in) shows what you can do with a uke when physically challenged. The Castrato section have some erudite comments on singing.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 17:27:05 CEST 2014 from (32.216.246.124)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Basement Tapes "Complete"

I'm happy that this set is being released, but I have mixed feelings about it not including the recordings that The Hawks fronted on. Doesn't feel quite complete to me.

Unless, as the casual fan might infer, this is all there is, and The Band/The Hawks didn't actually record anything themselves in the Big Pink basement. I do understand that this release falls under the umbrella of Dylan's Bootleg Series (a series which I have faithfully purchased and enjoyed over the years), but maybe this one could have been released on it's own as a Dylan and The Band release.

I don't need it to be complete to the extent that it should include the Bengali Bauls, or the Tiny Tim material (no offense to the Bauls or Mr. Tim), but I think that anything The Band/The Hawks did during those sessions with and without Dylan, should have been included to classify it as "complete". I suppose this could have been a business decision rather than an artistic one.

That said, the sound quality on 'Odds and Ends' sounds fantastic, but makes me pine even more for what could have been released. Whether it's The Basement Tapes 1975 version, Watkins Glen, or The Isle of Wight, it always feels like "The Band" fans get a little short-changed. I haven't ordered it yet, although I probably will at some point. I'd like to say that I will wait until I can purchase 'From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day', but we've already been waiting a long time for that. For now, I am sitting on the sidelines.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 15:47:33 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B's right in saying that since it's part of the Dylan bootleg series it shouldn't be surprising that it's all Dylan. However, it didn't have to be part of the Dylan bootleg series; the corporate brains could have decided instead to release the whole thing, the proto-Band with and without Dylan, as a stand-alone monument to the guys' collective talents.

Or maybe it could be sliced up a different way: imagine a scrupulously honest "Recordings from Big Pink" that included all the Dylan/Hawks material from the basement, all the Hawks alone material from the basement and all the Bengali Bauls material from the basement (and not the Red Room and Spencer Road material).


Entered at Tue Oct 7 15:36:09 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Guys, I just got back from the Tiny Tim forum and the mood there is even grimmer. They are vowing to boycott the new Dylan-only set AND any future Band-only sets.

;)


Entered at Tue Oct 7 13:34:27 CEST 2014 from (58.104.5.186)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Well, I just read through all fifty pages on the BT on the Steve Hoffman Music forum site so now I feel like I am an expert


Entered at Tue Oct 7 10:06:42 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Band BTs

If you scroll back far enough, I posted the track list of the Band material as on the DAT (see Lee G on the DAT). These are not the 1975 clean ups. As I said then, I'm not sure how much anyone really wants the Tiny Tim tracks … curiosity value, and nice to hear The Band playing, I Got You Babe, but I can't stand the way he sings, though I love to hear him talk.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 09:59:21 CEST 2014 from (58.104.5.186)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Excuse my ignorance, but do we actually know what the Band material is? I thought the extra Band stuff that was put on the 1975 release was recorded elsewhere.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 09:07:31 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: BTs

I was initially surprised there was no Band material, but accepted the explanation. If the stuff on CD6 is all the poor quality material out of chronological order, you think there might as well have been a CD7 … but maybe it's better to wait and see what they do with The Band material. A 2 CD set? I was holding on ordering until I heard Odds & Ends and when I did, I ordered it one minute later.


Entered at Tue Oct 7 04:57:39 CEST 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Since it is part of the Dylan Bootleg Series, I don't know why anyone is surprised/upset/thought-provoked that there is no Hawks material on the upcoming BT release. As it stands, it will still be a crucial documentation of the period that turned the Hawks into the Band. The audio quality is obviously superb.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 23:34:04 CEST 2014 from (173.3.51.166)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: TItle of the Article / Too Close To GB Home

Read the link. The title of the article had me concerned that Kevin J and Peter M. might be experiencing legal woes.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 22:47:48 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Kevin J: Here's the link to the Influence album on the Pacemaker site.

As for the missing Hawks-only stuff from the BT, you're not the only one annoyed about the Dylan-onlyness of the upcoming set, but it will come out. It too has been cleaned up by Peter Moore and sounds fantastic (or at least the songs that I heard sounded fantastic). As someone here noted a few days ago, even the Dylan-only stuff includes Richard Manuel singing a verse, so I would consider reconsidering (i.e., don't cut off your note to spite your face).

Didn't know about Geisinger playing with Vanelli. Relatively recently or ancient footage (maybe with future Santana members Graham Lear and Richard Baker in the band)?


Entered at Mon Oct 6 22:16:03 CEST 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: That should have been “really good” – not “real good”


Entered at Mon Oct 6 21:52:08 CEST 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Ahh….no and I really had intended to order it. Such a crazy time over the last 9 months! If you could be so kind to remind me of the link – I will definitely order and give it a listen………..I still have yet to purchase the new Jesse Winchester or Leonard Cohen….also to be corrected very soon and way ahead of the “complete” Basement Tapes……..actually I have decided to boycott the Basement Tapes…..the Dylan “people” are assuring all that “everything is coming out”…..absolutely everything except….well.. not quite everything as it turns out. Sounds like you had a most enjoyable listening party the other night but it irks me that the stand-alone The Band material is being held back………

….and no, I had no idea as to the Kim/August link……..funny as I thought of another Jack link last week while in Montreal and seeing a PBS ( yes, another pledge drive ) concert of Gino Vannelli. GV is in great form….good to see. I was introduced to him 15-20 years ago and he actually looked a bit like a later stage Elvis at the time…perhaps it was the sideburns but he is looking and sounding real good these days........................Tell Tale Signs was 2008…….where is life going? I should relax, 2028 will see the “complete-complete Basement Tapes” featuring songs by The Band. The Dylan people will swear that there is nothing more…..don’t believe it.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 20:30:46 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Did you know that Jack August was the bassist on Andy Kim's first record? That reminds me to ask if the silence on the Influence album is because you haven't followed through and bought the blessed thing, or that you bought it but you were unimpressed?


Entered at Mon Oct 6 19:41:54 CEST 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Jeff: As a shady man once said……”It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes”………anyhow, true story, a friend of mine worked for the Canadian Federal government….and was assigned a task of filling out an office……the Chief of Staff to the Minister had instructions…….. “Female, Francophone ( for those outside of Canada – meaning French as first language ), and from Saskatchewan” The folks in the room were just relieved the brief stopped there and didn’t also include “One eye and once believed Andy Kim was bigger than Elvis”……..Anyhow, good luck Jeff.

Al Edge: a bit of trivia related to a fine musician that has played with one of your favs for years………Nils Lofgren helped with the lyrics to “I Don’t Want To Talk About it” – see LINK for the explanation directly from Nils.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 19:19:38 CEST 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Al E: Sorry, but I reject the notion that there's a Tooth Fairy. (Not that there'd be any money in it for me right now, I'm pleased to report.) However, I'm open to the possibility of there being a Parking Fairy in operation at shopping malls I visit, and I rely heavily on the Linen Fairy, without whom sheets and towels would never be changed.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 15:42:27 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Tooth Fairy is the subject of major inflation. At least a £1 coin, though since the £2 coin circulated more widely, it's fast replacing it.

But I have grave doubts about the tooth fairy. I mean it's not real, like Father Christmas is, is it?


Entered at Mon Oct 6 15:17:38 CEST 2014 from (158.39.165.133)

Posted by:

jh

This site is entering the modern age, sort of. Click the little pink house to experience (gasp) the wonders of Soundcloud!


Entered at Mon Oct 6 13:44:11 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Thank god someone else believes in the tooth fairy. Beginning to think I was the only one. Should have known Bill M would come up trumps. Any peggies left Bill?

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 6 13:10:47 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.158)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I've heard hours of it and it's all that good. More than a real treat - it's Chistmas, Easter, your birthday and the Tooth Fairy all arriving at once.


Entered at Mon Oct 6 09:57:08 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Odds & Ends

Just a reminder of that link from "WHAT'S NEW" to Odds & Ends at Rolling Stone. You can REALLY hear the difference. If it's all this much better than the boots we are in for a real treat!


Entered at Mon Oct 6 09:26:15 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Joe J

Really sorry to hear someone robbed your hearth Joe lad

Fires just ain't the same without them

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 6 08:47:25 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

See review. The horn section didn't come to Europe, but Steve Gadd was there (as last time).


Entered at Mon Oct 6 04:52:52 CEST 2014 from (173.3.51.166)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Thanks Joan, Joe, Alex and Bonk. Joe, is that a lisp or Newfie affection?

Peter, did JT have Steve Gadd on drums? Or Lou Marini on horns?


Entered at Mon Oct 6 01:11:55 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: James Taylor

Review added of James Taylor at Bournemouth tonight. Fantastic show, three new songs AND they played The Band's "Ophelia" just before he came on.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 23:12:08 CEST 2014 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Wallsend, I much enjoyed that Swedish group performing some of the Basement Tapes songs. Thanks for the link!


Entered at Sun Oct 5 21:51:46 CEST 2014 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: latest hearthrob

I fall in love easily but in the past I've introduced you to Amelia Curran and Geraldine Hollett. This is Brianna Gosse.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 21:15:10 CEST 2014 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Jeffy

Ballot casted. ATB.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 20:33:23 CEST 2014 from (67.248.167.60)

Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Albany, NY

Subject: Crazy Mama

I was never a big fan of The Band's version of Crazy Mama, but last night I watched The Band: Live at the New Orleans Jazz Festival. That version of CM really rocks. Watching Levon play bass on that song is worth the price of admission. EC should have included that version on his tribute to JJ. joe


Entered at Sun Oct 5 20:02:22 CEST 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan Carlton

Subject: vote

You have my vote


Entered at Sun Oct 5 19:46:57 CEST 2014 from (173.3.51.166)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Hey Pete,Al, & Mike, thank you :-)


Entered at Sun Oct 5 17:11:08 CEST 2014 from (70.26.154.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Ditto, Jeff.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 15:07:19 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I voted last night, Jeff. Good luck with it.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 13:50:04 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Jeff votes

Just voted mate. I'll try and drum up some more though unfortunately nobody I know well enough to ask is on on Facebook. But i'll scratch around and I know my son and daughter and all their friends are on it so I'll try to get them to give it a push.

Good luck.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Oct 5 13:38:45 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Je t'aime

In Brigitte's case, I believe her husband was furious and stopped the Bardot-Gainsbourg version being released. Serge then asked every female singer he could … Marianne Faithfull has said she was asked. Then he did the definitive version with Jane Birkin. The Bardot version surfaced many years later with proceeds to her dog charity. It's said the Bardot version was "real".

On the Marianne Faithful new one, "Give My love To London" there is some excellent material … particularly Going Home (Leonard Cohen), and I love her cover of The Price of Love. I thought the stellar backing group rock it up too much on some tracks, swamping what you want to hear … that voice.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 13:10:17 CEST 2014 from (58.104.12.159)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

An extract from a 2004 interview with Clapton in Uncut where he expands a little on his well-known views on The Band.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 12:36:38 CEST 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: a) Richard Stallman , jh's link about GNU/Linux b) Brigitte Bardot

I have followed Stallman's personal unorthodoxy site for years. It is handmade like this site so don't be so modest. - I used to smoke pipe in French Aeroports to look intellectual but now I have a Linux magazine in my hands for the same cause instead. I don't understand too much about Linux but it doesn't matter. I don't read French either.

Wallsend had right: we like the music from early years better. I hope that sooner or later he'll understand that it _was_ better. I was surrounded by French music when young and it was only natural to be in Saint Tropez when Brigitte Bardot filled 80 years last Sunday. We love her singing in Serge Gainsbourg's 'Harley Davidson' and 'Bonnie And Clyde'. (Her political views are another story.) - With 'Je t'aime' poor Serge had two options: 1) to jump into Seine or 2) do it better with someone else. Fortunately the second option occured and 'la petite Anglaise' Jane Birkin sang it one octave higher.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 04:51:13 CEST 2014 from (58.104.12.159)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A fabulous interview with Stefan Grossman about his memories of Rev Gary Davis. No direct Band connection but may be of interest to some folks here.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 03:37:06 CEST 2014 from (173.3.51.166)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

thanks Bob. One of the Gbers emailed me, said he voted, and asked if this was legit. IT is, Chase Bank and Google are the chief sponsors. Then there's about a dozen on the panel that decides who gets the grants. The titles of the organizations the panelists represent are demographic specific. Hopefully, if i do get the votes required for consideration, the fact that I'm not in those demographics doesn't impact my chances.


Entered at Sun Oct 5 01:04:50 CEST 2014 from (84.143.55.136)

Posted by:

Wolle

Location: Hamburg/Germany
Web: My link

Subject: ERIC ANDERSEN TOUR 2014 in NORTH AMERICAN

THE ERIC ANDERSEN NORTH AMERICAN TOUR BEGINS: Sunday, Oct. 5, --Toronto Thursday, Oct. 16 -- New York City Saturday, Oct. 18 -- St. Petersburg, FL Sunday, Oct. 19 – Delray Beach, FL Friday, Oct. 24 – New York City Saturday, Oct. 25 – Bethesda, MD Sunday, Oct. 26 – Piermont, NY Many interesting and unusual programs are included in this tour, along with special guests. All details on the Eric Andersen website: http://www.ericandersen.com (http://theband.hiof.no/albums/danko_fjeld_andersen.html) (http://theband.hiof.no/albums/ridin_on_the_blinds.html)


Entered at Sun Oct 5 00:55:04 CEST 2014 from (84.143.55.136)

Posted by:

Wolle

Location: Hamburg/Germany
Web: My link

Subject: ERIC ANDERSEN NORTH AMERICAN TOUR

THE ERIC ANDERSEN NORTH AMERICAN TOUR BEGINS: Sunday, Oct. 5, --Toronto Thursday, Oct. 16 -- New York City Saturday, Oct. 18 -- St. Petersburg, FL Sunday, Oct. 19 – Delray Beach, FL Friday, Oct. 24 – New York City Saturday, Oct. 25 – Bethesda, MD Sunday, Oct. 26 – Piermont, NY Many interesting and unusual programs are included in this tour, along with special guests. All details on the Eric Andersen website: www.ericandersen.com http://theband.hiof.no/albums/danko_fjeld_andersen.html http://theband.hiof.no/albums/ridin_on_the_blinds.html


Entered at Sat Oct 4 21:13:23 CEST 2014 from (68.198.160.198)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: HV
Web: My link

Subject: Brooklyn In My Bones

The Guestbook's very own Brooklyn kid, Jeff Alexander, is trying to win a Chase grant that will help him complete his music project 'Brooklyn In My Bones'. All he needs is 250 votes to be in the running. We all know he's been working on something good and his project deserves to be heard. Please take a minute and do the right thing and then pass it on to your music friends.


Entered at Sat Oct 4 19:51:06 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sebastian, amazon.co.uk have it listed (I've already ordered it) at "14th - 17th November", and I guess they're importing it?


Entered at Sat Oct 4 17:30:40 CEST 2014 from (75.82.244.8)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Web: My link

Subject: Another book for kids...

I thought some of you might get a kick out of this.


Entered at Sat Oct 4 08:06:23 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the UK, the Complete BTs are £101 from amazon, but £89 from Bob Dylan's own site. The dilemma is that amazon will be set up to mail Saturday, deliver on release on Monday.


Entered at Sat Oct 4 01:59:57 CEST 2014 from (58.104.12.159)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Have you guys seen this?


Entered at Sat Oct 4 00:42:42 CEST 2014 from (58.104.12.159)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Bill M, of course Robbie said that of the covers they did with Bob in the BT sessions the two that struck him the most were Ain't no More Cane and Spanish is the Loving Tongue. It is a pity they never recorded the latter song. I can just image Rick singing it in the style of It Makes No Difference. Very much looking forward to the BTs. Cannot decide whether to order it on line or go down to the shop on the day.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 19:31:29 CEST 2014 from (71.43.124.98)

Posted by:

Dan

Subject: Philadephia Academy 1969

Greatly enjoyed the link to the Philadelphia Academy 1969 show. Best version of Up On Cripple Creek I have heard. Great to hear all 4 "covers" in one performance. Thank you Pat B!


Entered at Fri Oct 3 19:26:48 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Crazy Secrets

Yeah I guess it is Carmen. I never thought of it that way. And you do wonder what other gems were destined to remain forever unwritten due to Danny Whitten's tragic death when you reflect on the melodic and lyrical perfection of I Don't Want To Talk About It.

:-0(


Entered at Fri Oct 3 19:12:45 CEST 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Crazy Horse

Al - I have said a few times that the 1st Crazy Horse CD is one of the best kept secrets ouot there. This along with Rick's first are always in my rotation - Sad Story on Danny Whitton - I think he had tons of potential


Entered at Fri Oct 3 19:04:07 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I Don't Want To Talk About It

Thanks to kev for that link. First time I've listened to the original in god knows how many decades. I'll have to get the Crazy Horse CD which I loved of course but this song used to soar from the Dansette. I've only ever heard the obvious cover versions on the radio but, fine as they are, the original is clearly one of those that should have had an embargo on anybody trying to emulate it.

JT's comment about vocals searching out the soul of the song certainly applies to Danny Whitten's take on his own masterpiece.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 17:09:07 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.157)

Posted by:

Bll M

Subject: Tronno

A couple evenings ago, six of us, including the producer and the engineer, spent several hours in the studio - partly an impromptu BT party (cake and all), mostly a listening session. The sound, the performances, the emotion, Dylan's vocals - all astonishing. Just the depth of sound that Garth was able to capture on and Peter Moore to nurse out of the original tapes is simply shocking. Unbelievable actually. So Wallsend, start saving up, as your song's there, though sung by Bob.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 15:34:45 CEST 2014 from (158.39.165.120)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Rick Danko's brother Terry just posted this lovely photo of Garth and Rick on Facebook.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 14:17:44 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ain't no More Cane - IOW

Equal thanks for that Wallsend - same sentiments as below.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 3 13:59:58 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Searching deep into the soul of the songs

No more needs to be said to convey what was taking place.

What a beautiful description and so apt. Well in Jerry lad.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Oct 3 12:54:09 CEST 2014 from (69.159.62.153)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Superlative OQ

Al Edge: There is something unique about the sound that emerged from the OQ in the earliest recordings (live and from the studio) which largely I think relates to the vocals.(You can hear it in the Philadelphia 69 Academy of Music songs). The voices were so evocatively human and seemed to search deep into the soul of the songs for the meaning of life as portrayed through the lyrics of each song. This has not been replicated in my time. The only comparison I can make relates to how I am moved by certain classical pieces of yore and perhaps a few pieces from early Miles Davis. Heady company to be in.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 12:11:20 CEST 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pat B's Philadelphia link

Pat. The term 'glory' is the only one remotely fitting to describe the sound that comes from that link you put up but really such unique majesty defies any worldly description.

As for the quality of the Isle of Wight I can recall talking in the Netherton pub in Liverpool to a lad who'd just got back from there that night. I didn't know him, he just happened to be in the same crowd as me that night in the pub but I recall him saying he'd gone down there because he was a huge Dylan fan. He'd not been more than marginally aware of The Band prior to going but I recall how he spoke of The Band's performance with eyes emblazoned in the sort of reverential awe you'd expect from someone who'd witnessed a vision of the Blessed Virgin. It certainly left an impression on me.

The sound of that Philly concert perhaps provides an insight into the unworldly majesty he had witnessed at the IOW.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 08:28:16 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Just across the bay from the Isle of Wight

Subject: Isle of Wight

Yes, the Dylan set on bootleg was always dire sound, but then the disc with the new Self Portrait is great. It seemed likely to me that the mobile recording team, who were out of line of sight to the stage, would have run tape during the Band's set. They wanted to capture Dylan's set, and it only makes sense in the circumstances to check levels and record the Band's set. The Band IoW boots were audience tapes as were the Dylan IoW boots … mind you, the Band ones were even worse than the Dylan. I had one years ago and filed it as "unlistenable".


Entered at Fri Oct 3 05:52:24 CEST 2014 from (98.115.129.14)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: the Turtle Pond, Phila suburbs

Subject: Ladysmith at the Phila Academy of Music

Took my mother in law to see Ladysmith 15+ years ago at Phila's Academy of Music. She loved them, their musicality and their message. Truly a renaissance woman. I really miss her.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 05:15:10 CEST 2014 from (173.3.51.166)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: The Wisdom of Abraham

Abe is a lively 75 year old widower. He is also very rich. One day, he turns up at the local restaurant to meet some of his friends and he has a gorgeous young redhead on his arm. She has sex appeal in plenty and listens to Abe’s every word with great attention. All his friends think she is as sexy a lady as they have seen for years.

When she excuses herself to go to the bathroom, Abe’s friends rush over to him. "Abe, how did you manage to get such a lovely girlfriend?" they ask. "Girlfriend?" says Abe looking upset, "what do you mean girlfriend? Naomi is my wife."

They were shocked. "So how did you persuade Naomi to marry you?"

"I lied about my age," Abe replies.

"Don’t tell us that you told Naomi that you were only 50?"

"Of course not," smiles Abe, "I told her I was 90."


Entered at Fri Oct 3 00:34:59 CEST 2014 from (58.104.19.216)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

When I first heard the boot of The Band at the Isle of Wight I only listed to a couple of tracks because I thought the sound quality was so bad I just could't enjoy it. Listening to this version of Ain't No More Cane though, the music sounds great, I wonder if there is a good quality tape of this some where that could be resorted and released with The Band's 'Basement Tape' songs. That would be a package I would definitely buy.


Entered at Fri Oct 3 00:11:14 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Ladysmith Black Mambazo

Just reviewed "Inala" the Zulu ballet centered around the lads from "Graceland". See link.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 21:23:01 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

The Weight (Jim Weider, Randy C, Brian Mitchell & more) will do a 'Music of The Band' show at NY's City Winery in January.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 17:49:11 CEST 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

carmen, Dylan wrote OTMM in the fall of 1963.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 17:24:11 CEST 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: One To Many...

Always one of my favorites and I always though this had more of a BAND feel than a Dylan feel. In Garth's interview- he mentions Bob doing some writing with Rick and Richard. We all know the 2 that made it to MFBP but I wonder if they had anything to do with this one as well.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 13:12:06 CEST 2014 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Bill, thanks -- I Don't Hurt Anymore. :)


Entered at Wed Oct 1 22:26:26 CEST 2014 from (68.171.246.135)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jon L: I for one don't think you're a fool. There's certainly no shame in being relegated to disc 2, even with Ferdinand for company.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 17:04:10 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

From Simon's link, I definitely hadn't seen this before:

"The previously unknown tracks include ... country-fied versions of “Blowin’ in the Wind,” “It Ain’t Me Babe” and “One Too Many Mornings,” featuring Band keyboardist Richard Manuel handling lead vocals on the first verse."

!!


Entered at Wed Oct 1 16:56:30 CEST 2014 from (86.140.14.154)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Another page with the 1967 Rick Danko and Bob Dylan photo. The first dozen or so pages of Part 1 of the thread linked in the last post contain a lot of detail about the Red Room/Basement (and other recording locations).


Entered at Wed Oct 1 16:21:54 CEST 2014 from (86.140.14.154)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: 1967 'Basement' photos

sadavid - Thanks. I really enjoyed that. Will explore some of the other tracks too.

See above link for three different photos. I believe one of them was used for the cover of the Greil Marcus book ... if I remember correctly Bill posted something to that effect a while back. Photos courtesy of Arie de Reus.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 15:47:07 CEST 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: John D is indeed a doctor of music

I do not have the authority to confer degrees, John D, but I think that a Doctor of Musicology is in order for you. Md will stand for 'Music doctor' ( or as David Steinberg used to say, 'me doctor'.)


Entered at Wed Oct 1 15:11:01 CEST 2014 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: gitans new yorkais

Wallsend: much thanks for the G. Hudson interviews, and JRR's yesterday.
See [My link] for a sparkling gem from Garth, Tony Garnier, Larry Campbell and an uncredited drummer.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 14:55:27 CEST 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Dirk, it looks like A Fool Such As I will be on Disc 2 of the new release. Agree about Ferdinand etc though... they still need a home. Like Peter, I hold out hope for a 'Band only' release someday.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 13:56:30 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

I'm no Dr. Sorry JT. Typo.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 13:55:26 CEST 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John Md

Subject: Garth Basement Tapes.....it goes to show you....

Just when you think you know a lot about The Band, Garth gives us some vital information; on all 3 parts of the interview. I never thought about this before. Where did they get the mics for The Basement Tapes? Well. Albert Grossman lent them Peter, Paul and Mary's mics. Never heard that before. Interesting.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 13:19:49 CEST 2014 from (58.104.16.139)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Garth talking about the Basement Tapes.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 12:28:38 CEST 2014 from (58.104.16.139)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A reel from The Basement Tapes with Robbie Robertson's handwriting


Entered at Wed Oct 1 12:02:57 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Though it has appeared in odds and bits on box sets, the time would be ripe for a separate Band basement set … with the "alleged" stuff cleaned up from 1975 (which I love whether fake or not) combined with the unreleased material.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 11:08:25 CEST 2014 from (58.104.16.139)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

A "source close to the Dylan camp" told the magazine that this will be the absolute, most definitive collection representing Dylan and the Band's upstate New York recordings: "Everything is coming out, besides four or five things that just sound like distortion. We usually curate these packages more, but we knew the fans would be disappointed if we didn’t put out absolutely everything.”


Entered at Wed Oct 1 10:21:35 CEST 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Basement Tapes

I asked that question myself. They are not putting the "Band only" songs on there, only ones Dylan was on. Mind you, as I said then, who knows whether Dylan was strumming away on a couple in the background? Well, probably Garth does, so no Bob, no track.


Entered at Wed Oct 1 09:24:20 CEST 2014 from (85.150.37.246)

Posted by:

dirk

Location: the Netherlands

Subject: basement tapes

Hi, I am really looking forward to the new bootleg series 'basement tapes complete', But are they that complete? I cant find the Band songs like 'Ferdinant'. And Ive got this bootleg at home which contains the songs 'Fool such as I' and 'Instrumental jam'. As far as I know there should have been a considerable number of extra songs on this box. Anyone can help me out?


Entered at Wed Oct 1 05:45:20 CEST 2014 from (24.114.88.250)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Danny Whitten "I Don't Wanna Talk about It". Apologies to those in Woodstock who can dance.....just that image of the festival in 1969 that has been indelibly ingrained in my mind of all those people flopping about....


Entered at Wed Oct 1 01:21:44 CEST 2014 from (24.114.88.250)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Make that 25:41 !


Entered at Wed Oct 1 01:18:29 CEST 2014 from (24.114.88.250)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: jh' LINK

The beautiful Jesse Winchester at the 13:00 minute mark is the standout.......for comic relief go to the 25:00 minute mark for proof that nobody in Woodstock has ever been able to dance!


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