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Entered at Thu Nov 20 23:28:56 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Turner legacy has been treated appallingly, and I suspect Turing's eventual "pardon" was because the film was imminent. Both films are a "must see".

It's a good time of the year - these next two or three months see all the Oscar / BAFTA contenders being released.

Now that the conglomerates own so many labels, it's fascinating to see the artist choices. The new David Bowie single utilizes a mid-50s 78 rpm sleeve and is on Parlophone. The Thompson Family have looked at the array of Universal labels, and taken a liking for Fantasy (cue CCR). The Kinks Anthology 1964-1971 box set is on Sanctuary-BMG - Legacy-Sony. Anyone (important) can have the label of their dreams. Van Morrison's had Blue Note. Vangelis has had Deutsche Grammophon. Morrisey has gone for HMV. It's like a swatch of labels. You choose.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 23:05:52 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Turner, Edinburgh - London and Turing

Yes, it was some years ago but we did go to see the Turner "bequest" in Edinburgh. One of the stipulations of the bequest" is that they only be put on public display in January, when the light is at lowest and less likely to fade the water colours.

At least they keep to the donor's wishes, unlike the way the various London art establishments have treated Turner's own bequest to the nation. In short, he left them to be housed in a specially built gallery so the works could be displayed together in one place. Lacking agreement on a site, an Act of parliament was passed allowing his works to be scattered hither and thither. It was over 100 years later that a wing of the (old) Tate was built to house them but some still remain in the National Gallery to this day.

How did we treat Turner in death? How did we treat Turing in life?


Entered at Thu Nov 20 22:51:56 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The ART of McCartney

Picked this up today - notable covers, such as Bob Dylan on "Things We Said Today" and Brian Wilson on "Wanderlust." See Link for Bob doing The Beatles - only 30 seconds unfortunately. you'll have to buy it.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 22:19:50 CET 2014 from (67.84.76.57)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat:Fuczuch


Entered at Thu Nov 20 19:36:59 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

THIS Mr Turner, Bill. Linked.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 19:33:12 CET 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jimmy Ruffin

Thanks for the link Simon. Great song. great voice, RIP


Entered at Thu Nov 20 19:31:12 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the Albini article, the one thing that made me laugh was the description of the late John Peel as a “genius.” That went with the “purple dwarf” comment to make me doubt him. John Peel introduced vast numbers of new bands to the public ear, because he was totally undiscriminating. If it was young and new and different and weird he’d play it. If it started to sell and people appeared to like it, he stopped. Some unusual stuff got exposed, which was good, but an awful lot of what he played was dire. I never thought he could tell the difference.

John Peel’s own Dandelion label was a case in point, and his co-director Clive Selwood had a lot to say in candid interviews. This is from my long section on Dandelion in my current work in progress:

Peel and Selwood cheerfully admit they rejected Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells, and failed to sign Roxy Music when offered. They set out to make collectable records and did so. The words interesting and eclectic cover a multitude of sins, and the output is as bemusing as it is brave. Those who could play … Kevin Coyne, David Bedford, Clifford T. Ward, Bridget St. John … are counter-balanced by the downright incompetent (Stack Waddy) or ludicrously pretentious (Principal Edwards Magic Theatre). Stack Waddy, like so many bands Peel espoused over the years were proto-punk amateurs. When Jim Morrison (Elektra) allegedly pointed Percy at the public, it was said to be a revolutionary act of priapic defiance. When Stack Waddy (Dandelion) did the same at a showpiece gig for Warner Bros executives, it was a case of drunken louts needing to piss on stage. In Morrison’s case, people in the front row didn’t see him do it, the band didn’t see him do it. The only people who saw him were police officers at a distance. In Stack Waddy’s case everyone saw them do it.

Principal Edwards wafted around the stage trailing coloured scarves while people made birds sounds, and did sub-Marcel Marceau mimes to the accompaniment of a distorted guitar. The howls of derision from audiences were only muted because they had some good-looking hippie chicks doing the wafting about. They were the worst band of the era I ever saw.

They also signed the Yamasukis. Selwood said:

Neither John nor I cared for the record … I don’t think anybody ever played it on the radio, not even John.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 18:30:17 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: memo re Turner

Ian W: So it's that Turner! (I'd come to the conclusion that it wasn't Mick Jagger's Turner, nor Ike, but beyond that wasn't at all sure, not having read Peter V's review - sorry PV.) Yes, his use of light was exceptional. I remember heading up to Edinburgh at a particular time in the winter when the natural lighting was such that the NatGal of Scotland would show some of his more fragile work for a day or two.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 18:20:10 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: "Mr Turner" again

Peter's review of "Mr Turner" is fair and balanced. He mentioned the cinematography which I did not.

Turner had this amazing perception of light and its effects and he had the ability to translate his vision on to canvas and paper, The cinematography sets out to convey his vision and succeeds so well that, at times the screen is visually mesmerising - luminous, almost overwhelmingly lustrous and luscious. You just have to sit there and let it all wallow over you. Seeing some of those effects on a big screen, even larger in size than the original paintings, is really quite something.

We saw “Mr Turner” on a Sunday morning at the Curzon in Mayfair, London (which is quite a posh cinema but the Sunday morning screenings are usually a bit cheaper than other showings) and I don't know if it was the cinema equipment or the technical quality of the film (or whatever) itself but the visuals were rendered brilliantly.

The film strings together known episodes in Turner's later life interspersed with the aforementioned visual effects to create an impression of the man and his work. Mrs W said afterwards that she would probably never look at a Turner painting in quite the same way again - likes his work but didn't much like the man.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 17:04:53 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Steve Albini is only good for working with noise bands? What an asinine statement. And thanks for letting everyone know that studio owners can be either nice or naughty. Great insight.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 16:45:02 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Quick point as i run out the door. anyone going into any studio to record, is wise to have engineers and studio owners sign defintive work for hire agreements. If they've hired a producer, of course there is an agreement too.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 15:54:17 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

So Pete, after having read up on it, your second comment on the topic, shows that your instinctive gut reaction was correct.

Some pertinent info that came up, but doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with the main thrust of that discussion. Just to sort out a lot of stuff that everyone mostly knows. Engineers and producers obviously are not the same thing. Engineers can produce also. Someone can certainly be both. Often are. And separately, even when hired strictly as engineers,ever so lightly,gently and diplomatically, the best engineers offer some advice that really falls in the production range. Also, engineers don't necessarily have studios and or much equipment. They might.And neither necessarily do producers. Again, though they might.. Anyone who produces or engineers is bound to accumulate equipment, but again, these guys may work out of studios and / or be more guns for hire.

Studio owners fall in a whole nother realm, of course odds of a studio owner being a engineer and producer are pretty damn good. Studio owners also fall in a whole nother realm of personality too. Most, not all, studio owners have that master of the universe syndrome. I've known some quite nice studio owners.

While we agree on this subject essentially straight down the line, i'll point out one in particular- the noise aspect. Allmusic's server wasn't popping up for me yesterday, server error, but, in the past, i never noticed anything the man worked on that appeals to my taste in music or categorization of music. Noise. Sure. Like you wrote. He falls in a niche. That article i mentioned that I read some years back, , the one Greg Norman wrote, pretty much indicated that Albini was great to record that kind of band, and Norman also indicated the sonics and style of sound you;d get too, but indicated if you wanted to use the studio for other kind of work, hire him to engineer instead, or bring your own.

Essentially, as you are aware & pointed out, there is a heavy dose of self interest tied to Albini's approach to royalties and copyright. Which is part of why i wrote there is something lacking inside this man. To attach yourself to a artistic field, find a way to be or portray yourself as a kind of artist (that to me makes as much musical sense, maybe less, than rap), and a way to make a good living as a engineer and producer for a fee, then to participate in, endorse, or promote the destruction of the way that real artists and writers make a living, well, there is something very wrong and narcissistic in the last part. Like you wrote, his feelings won't be hurt by anyone who feels this way. Gotta run. I'll comment more on engineers, producers, and studio owners later.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 10:24:50 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I commented without knowing much, not for the first time in my life. Or even nothing. I took strong exception to Mr Albini calling Prince “a purple dwarf” whose music was “poison” and if those are the terms he uses, he’s hardly going to be offended easily. I read up on Wiki. He clearly has a strong business ethic and high reputation. On the other hand the only record mentioned in his list that I have is “In Utero.” When I see those lists of the however-many greatest albums of all time, I gaze at “In Utero” and “Never Mind The Bollocks” and try to calculate what aesthetic allows them to be mentioned in the same context or breath as Blonde on Blonde, Revolver, Music From Big Pink, Otis Blue, The Rocking Chair Album, Surf’s Up … or indeed Squiggle’s 1999 or Purple Rain. I can’t see it. The Nirvana and Sex Pistols albums are to my ears, mindless noise. There’s nothing I saw on his list that I would rate even remotely with Little Red Corvette or Holy City.

I do see Mr Albini’s point on fees. He’s right in 2014 – and everyone’s right, because 5% of nothing is indeed nothing. Just as 10% of £12 the publisher received, is £1.20 as a recent royalty cheque informs me. It’s not worth the trip to the bank to pay it in. I’ve moved much more to fees this year myself, and had a discussion this week where someone wondered why I wanted a fee for stuff I used to do free. That’s because when I did it free, we then sold tens of thousands of copies and the royalties were good. Now we sell a couple of hundred. Allegedly.

I can also see that given recording 20 grunge bands for a fee (and a very fair fee in Mr Albini’s case), or taking points, going for the fee x 20 makes sense. It is a very different situation. An engineer, however stellar, works a number of hours and in his case supplies equipment and space as well as expertise. His services are in constant demand, so there will be turkey and trimmings and a bottle of good wine on the table next Thursday.

It doesn’t work like that for a songwriter at all. A songwriter can’t assume that (say) every song he or she writes will be recorded at (say) a fee of $500 a time. No one wants to pay it. Royalties or points is their only choice, unless they were (say) writing for a movie score or commercial where again, a fee might make sense.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 09:27:01 CET 2014 from (109.148.250.71)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

RIP Jimmy Ruffin


Entered at Thu Nov 20 03:59:21 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Not for free- for a fee, without points. As the original discussion. Typing "for free" was an error. Typing in a hurry.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 03:58:51 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Not for free- for a fee, without points. As the original discussion. Typing "for free" was an error.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 02:59:13 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: My post Dec 17th 2013

A trip to the link i placed on the GB almost a year ago, will produce article discussing and displaying letter that Albini wrote to Nirvana offering to produce the album that became In Utero for free.

Spin all you want Pat, the truth don't go away.

Entered at Tue Dec 17 06:46:56 CET 2013 from (67.84.77.201) Posted by: Jeff A. Web: My link Subject: Albini to Nirvana Have you guys seen this? Linked above.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 02:48:52 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, the In Utero letter been in circulation a very long time. Anyone who read my post can clearly see what i wrote is completely other than what you present. You are the guy telling tales, always have been. BTW, go fuck yourself.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 02:41:58 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Jeff, everyone who works at EA is great, but I've only worked with Steve in the big room.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 02:38:54 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Like I said, typical histrionics. Your little "5% of nothing" doesn't quite apply to Albini, does it? You get caught telling a tale and what's the defense? I'm spinning reality because I disagree with you? What a laugh.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 02:03:44 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, it's Greg Norman. Albini's studio, Electrical Audio, is probably one of the superior rooms. The rates are great. Tape, buy your own, and save a few bucks., But in general great rates, and i'd bet the rooms gotta be killer, and the equipment probably in perfect condition.. If you don't want Albini to engineer, bring your own, hire Norman as the house/assistant engineer cause he knows the room, etc etc.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 01:59:45 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pat, anyone who has the ability to read, and comprehend what he or she reads, has no alternative but to realize you are always going to be a spinning misery of a poster in regard to anyone who you have ever disagreed with. Your first post responding to mine had no reality in connection to what I wrote, and neither does this last response. I gave Albini credit for what he did when it was rare, and pointed out that it is now not rare for producers and why, and why. You, i can only credit for being deceitful and untruthful in the manner in which you interact with people with whom you've ever disagreed or continue to disagree .


Entered at Thu Nov 20 01:42:13 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Sure, Jeff. He turned down producer points on Nirvana's "In Utero" which has sold 15 million copies worldwide. What does that work out to in your calculations?


Entered at Thu Nov 20 01:19:51 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Peter, Some time ago i read a lengthy and interesting piece by Albini's right hand man. He's worked for Albini for a very long time, built some studios, once left, and returned to work for Albini. Another engineer. I don't recall his name and haven't looked for the piece. But the guy discussed recording styles. Essentially he said that Albini works one way, and described the sound you'd get. He definitely indicated that he himself is more suited to someone who has a different sound in mind.

Amongst other things, Albini is known for analogue tape, and having a great studio. he does have a good , even superior reputation many ways. As far producing goes, i think he is the guy who for a very long time now will charge a fee, and refuse a percentage. that's become pretty normal today though, because 3% or 5% of nothing is nothing. Everyone has a right to their own vision, own opinion. But, my opinion of his opinion, is that as stated in his address above, it sucks.


Entered at Thu Nov 20 00:34:13 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Steve is missing nothing. He has written tons of compelling, original music. He's a brilliant engineer and producer. He certainly has an iconoclastic way of looking at things, but thinking that a deft phrase or histrionic put down puts him in his place is completely silly.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 23:41:15 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There are two sorts of people. Those who have created something original. Those who never have created anything original.

Albini is obviously in the latter category so will never understand. What does he do to earn a living? Try doing it for a while without getting paid.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 21:49:52 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Excerpt from Albini's address.

"From my part, I believe the very concept of exclusive intellectual property with respect to recorded music has come to a natural end, or something like an end. Technology has brought to a head a need to embrace the meaning of the word “release”, as in bird or fart. It is no longer possible to maintain control over digitised material and I don’t believe the public good is served by trying to.

There is great public good by letting creative material lapse into the public ownership. The copyright law has been modified so extensively in the past decades that now this essentially never happens, creating absurdities whenever copyright is invoked. There’s a huge body of work that is not legally in the public domain, though its rights holder, authors and creators have died or disappeared as businesses. And this material, from a legal standpoint now removed from our culture – nobody may copy it or re-release it because it’s still subject to copyright.

Other absurdities abound: innocuous usage of music in the background of home videos or student projects is technically an infringement and official obstacles are set up to prevent it. If you want a video of your wedding reception – your father’s first dance with a new bride – it’s off limits unless it is silent. If your little daughter does a kooky dance to a Prince song don’t bother putting it on YouTube for her grandparents to see or a purple dwarf in assless chaps will put an injunction on you. Did I offend the little guy? Fuck it. His music is poison.

Music has entered the environment as an atmospheric element, like the wind, and in that capacity should not be subject to control and compensation. Well, not unless the rights holders are willing to let me turn the tables on it. If you think my listening is worth something, OK then, so do I. Play a Phil Collins song while I’m grocery shopping? Pay me $20. Def Leppard? Make it $100. Miley Cyrus? They don’t print money big enough. "

The excerpt from Albini's address demonstrates alack of regard for intellectual property. How someone could have total disregard for what people's work means to them is beyond me. He may be a musician, a engineer, and a producer, but somewhere something inside this man is missing.

The grandparents he refers to, well, before You Tube there were other ways people viewed videos. There still are. Send the fucking video of the girl in the tutu dancing to a song, some other way. You Tube monetizes video, sure, an artist has a right to get paid if he or she can. You Tube is making money.

The example of music playing in a store is a poor one- the store does pay the right organizations for use of material. And should.

But, how can you think about denying copyright? Songwriters can spend ten years or ten minutes writing a song. Either way, a lifetime precedes it. Even the song that gets written in ten minutes, a lifetime leads up to it.It may suck, it may be genius. People go to great lengths to get great recordings, they may go to great expense. That song, and that sound recording- who the hell is he to say releasing a song should become like releasing a fart. Without being afforded protection and having the ability to enforce rights, there will be no great music made, will be no reason to make it. There is less and less reason to go to great effort all the time. and it is killing the quality of music. there is lots of great music that doesn't get heard, because there is no machinery, no economy. Was it perfect, hell no, but there was an economy.... there is no economy today....I don't care who the guy is, or what he's done, the ending ideas are callous, and seem to indicate a lack of soul, and understanding of true art and effort. Something personal is something personal. If you are a unique writer, noone else can write your song. It's yours. It should stay yours.

USing "digitised material" as the focus of the section - well, anything you create today become sdigitised easily. Record a record analogue, only release it on vinyl, what's to stop someoen form digitsing it. So, the world has become run digitally. That doesnlt mean it is right to be able to steal intellectual property because it is easy to! "Music has entered the environment as an atmospheric element, like the wind, and in that capacity should not be subject to control and compensation." The guy is off his rocker.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 21:34:39 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Mr Turner

So far in advance of the BAFTAS and Oscars … "Mr Turner" review linked. I though the first half hour the worse. And yes, it's too long, and yes, you need to know the bio.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 19:49:43 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Steve Albini is an absolute genius.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 17:19:13 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.173)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Albini must be a very poor songwriter.

While i haven't time to discuss it now, Albini proved himself to be quite rude and dangerously wrong about major issues of importance. When i read part of that the other day, i was rather incensed.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 16:56:36 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Mr Turner

My wife thought "Mr Turner" too long, as well, though I enjoyed it thoroughly. It has no real narrative, no storyline as such, just episodes in Turner's life that cover his later years, show his character and the nature of his achievement. If I had a criticism of the film, I would say it is that it helps if, before seeing it, you know a bit about Turner's life already.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 15:17:51 CET 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Internet is the Salvation of Music

Steve Albini's keynote address to the "Face the Music" conference, Melbourne, 15 Nov 2014.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 14:05:31 CET 2014 from (176.12.107.140)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Film Fun

'PRIDE' - best film this year Bill for us. The Imitation Game we found excellent and it's inspired us to visit Bletchley Manor. Interstellar was unbelievably poor - given the hype this surprised me. Mr Turner should have been good. Timothy Spall is a favourite of ours but but as the two hour mark approached we were praying for an early death for Mr T. We saw The Drop recently. While the film is fairly predictable the cast were excellent. Tom Hardy is outstanding - as he was in the recent series of Peaky Blinders. Struggling here to justify this post with a Band connection. Failed.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 11:27:00 CET 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: International Men's Day

Today is International Men's Day. This gb has men's day (almost) every day.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 06:39:49 CET 2014 from (23.242.61.90)

Posted by:

Jim

Subject: The Basement Tapes Complete

With so many tracks on the BTC, I assumed that some would have Manuel swapping lead vocals or at least harmonizing on choruses. Does its book show more photos by Reid Miles? Thanks.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 05:32:47 CET 2014 from (68.199.208.79)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Roy Buchanan Documentary from 1971

Linked


Entered at Wed Nov 19 04:42:00 CET 2014 from (68.199.208.79)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: "Blame The Eagles"

Chris Squire from Yes. See the link.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 04:15:57 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.130)

Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of worthwhile British films, we caught "Pride" over the weekend - partly because of the politics (London LGBT group supports striking Welsh miners in the early '80s) but largely because Bill Nighy is in it. Terrific film. I even though of this place. Once because the politics reminded me of Al Edge's anti-Thatcher posts. And again when the Nighy character reminded me of Garth when he stonewalled a British journalist asking leading questions in the hope of a snarky, and thus newsworthy, answer.


Entered at Wed Nov 19 02:57:41 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Imitation Game etc

I agree with Peter V's assessment of "The Imitation Game", which we saw last Friday. The standard of acting is extremely high and award nominations would be deserved. The script is a touch clunky at times but not so as to detract from one's enjoyment. Earlier this year, we visited Bletchley Park and the film, inevitably, simplifies what happened, overstating some aspects and downplaying others, but the thrust of the story holds true.

For example, there is a brief passing reference in the film to the early contribution of three Polish mathematicians whereas the Bombe machine designed by Alan Turing and Gordon Welchman was inspired by "bomba", an earlier machine designed by the Polish Cypher Bureau. At Bletchley itself, you will now find a Polish Memorial.

By the way, I have never seen the "U-571" film and have no intention of doing so in the future. I do not expect exactitude and the entirely realistic representation of facts in a feature film but that just went too far.

General Eisenhower said that the intelligence from Bletchley Park "saved thousands of British and American lives".

Incidentally, American servicemen were deployed at Bletchley Park during WWII, as the staffing levels there built up. I do not know when they first arrived but the number eventually reached around 300.


Entered at Tue Nov 18 21:47:46 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Imitation Game

Link to my review of the Benedict Cumberbatch film about Alan Turing and the Enigma codes in World War II. A really first-rate film.


Entered at Tue Nov 18 21:08:44 CET 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: tries harder

Who is the second of the two "celebrated musician/composers"?


Entered at Tue Nov 18 16:46:11 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Simon: Too bad it wasn't that place on Stoll Road. Some enterprising restauranteur could do well by re-establishing it as, oh, the Big Pink Roadhouse - with a swish bistro downstairs called Basement Tapas.


Entered at Tue Nov 18 16:05:21 CET 2014 from (109.148.250.71)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Hi Lo Ha is up for sale.


Entered at Tue Nov 18 14:50:53 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I wandered into the local bookstore last night to find the a young Bob Dylan looking out at me from the cover of November 20 issue of "Rolling Stone". A very nice surprise - a six-page cover story (seven if you count the cover) by a David Browne and a two-page article by the Greil Marcus. The Marcus is accompanied by a photo of Bob and Rick playing in the basement - Bob on acoustic guitar, Rick on Fender electric guitar (i.e., not bass). I wonder if THAT got recorded? I like this bit from the Browne:

"Hudson says the looseness of Dylan's songs was partly triggered by the Hawks. 'Richard made up a song about going upstairs from downstairs,' he says. 'A little song that has not been heard. Spoken word and little songs that were for the most part silly. Bob heard what we had done.' Hudson adds, chuckling, 'and I remember him saying, 'Oh, I see ...'"

A personal vignette from this morning - significant to me. My wife in not a Dylan fan, but is very perceptive and also knows that listening to the BTs is important to me. Usually I turn off whatever I'm listening to in the car before she gets in, but today I failed because I was just getting to the key second verse of the alternate take of "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere" - which is what she heard when she climbed in: "Hey there, you bunch of basement noise. You ain't no punching bag. I see you walking out there, and you're the ones to do it." Totally uncoached, she said, "Isn't that nice, a personal song. That must've have really meant something." Yes!!


Entered at Tue Nov 18 07:08:34 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jim, are you unaware that Dylan sings everything on the new BT except one or two verses?


Entered at Tue Nov 18 03:20:08 CET 2014 from (23.242.61.90)

Posted by:

Jim

Web: My link

Subject: The Basement Tapes Complete

Ok, Bill confirmed that Hudson had recorded The Hawks without Dylan. But I still can't find which BTC tracks weren't sung by Dylan (and I've read this current Guestbook). By the way, are the original photos by Reid Miles included in the BTC box? Thanks.


Entered at Mon Nov 17 21:20:35 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jim: Scroll back for a week or so and you'll find most and maybe all of your answers.


Entered at Mon Nov 17 20:50:59 CET 2014 from (23.242.61.90)

Posted by:

Jim

Web: My link

Subject: The Basement Tapes Complete

If someone has figured out which tracks on the BTC weren't sung by Dylan, please specify on this website's track listings. Did Hudson record additional tracks that weren't sung by Dylan but were omitted from this volume? Thanks.


Entered at Mon Nov 17 19:17:59 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Another BT bit that found its way into "The Weight" is Robbie's little guitar run accompanying the line-long "yeahhhhhh" in the choruses of "Going To Acupulco". My favourite bit of the liner notes with the "Raw" set was Garth talking about the Hawks spending their time listening to the gospel records rejected by record thieves. It seems reasonable to suspect that those records influenced our guys' playing in the basement.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Written on the subway wall

Well, one person is listening …


Entered at Mon Nov 17 18:33:19 CET 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sounds of Silence

'I've come to talk with you again.'


Entered at Sun Nov 16 17:18:54 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sound advice

I suppose if that is what the artist wants (in this case, echo) then that is artistic privilege. Then it is the listener/critic/reviewer who has to decide if it is appropriate for him/her.

I absolutely agree about venue. I saw Leonard Cohen in an arena in Victoria and the sound was pristine. (My main problem with those sites is primarily because I can't get the kind of seats I would like. I had superb seats for Leonard Cohen) However, in many arena shows, sitting in the middle or higher up, I have often been disappointed. I've been told that one can get excellent sound even at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto but my limited experience there has been largely unsatisfactory (I was sitting high up). I have never had a bad sound experience at Massey Hall.


Entered at Sun Nov 16 16:59:26 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sound is a major issue. But take Leonard Cohen. I’ve seen him in the 20,000 seat O2 arena in London, then I’ve seen him twice in Bournemouth in a 3000 seater and once in the open air with the bandshell set up next to a railway embankment with passing trains in heavy rain (“Mercedes Benz World”). And you could here every word every time.

Paul Simon too – I’ve seen him in a 5000 seater, a 3000 seater and with 99,999 other happy listeners in Hyde Park. You can hear every word. As you can with James Taylor.

It takes money obviously, but there is something else. Soundcheck all you like in an empty hall, then put 1700 bodies in there and the sound changes. Allegedly Paul Simon has people analyse every venue and program the sound mixer months in advance. But you know, I rarely if ever see the sound crew take themselves away from the computer screens and walk round the hall. In the days before computer control, way back in 1970, we used to put two on the board and when the band started with audience in, one would walk to all the corners and LISTEN.

In Bellowhead’s case, I suspect he likes the echo. He used to use a megaphone for one number.


Entered at Sun Nov 16 15:48:58 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sound at concerts

Thank you , Peter , for this review of Bellowhead. The sound issue is vexing. I've written briefly about my experiences in this regard. I have seen some of my favourite performers in more than 1 site and with presumably with different sound technicians. I'm sure that the music is stellar as it leaves the vocal cords and the instruments, but the venue and/or the techs can destroy and make it less than what it is. I avoid sports venues now (though I have heard some fairly good/not excellent concerts in them). I would have thought that the 'room' you were in , Peter, was fairly acceptable and so the technicians should examine why the problem you describe occurs. I assume that a sound check is the standard and that many ears decide if all is well. I assume that going through a few of the presentations of the evening in such a soundcheck rehearsal will assure that all is well and that you will get what you expect, clear vocals and a proper balance sound mix. Am I wrong?


Entered at Sun Nov 16 15:36:41 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Let Her Run

To accompany the review, YouTube link to official video for Bellowhead "Let Her Run."


Entered at Sun Nov 16 15:21:25 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bellowhead

Review of Bellowhead at Southampton last night, keeping up their reputation as "Britain's best live act."


Entered at Sun Nov 16 02:57:49 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: C=1/NM

Contributions to this site are inversely proportional to the quantity of new music available

C = 1/NM


Entered at Sat Nov 15 16:29:39 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: CBTapes

Amazon.ca this morning dropped the CBTapes to $125.00 from $141.00. Amazon.com comes in at $119.00. Thanks Amazon.ca


Entered at Sat Nov 15 04:15:44 CET 2014 from (173.3.51.192)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: GARTH

What Jed pinpointed, Garth making his comments and then hitting the piano- Garth is a very sharp man. Garth knows how to say exactly what he means, and how to act exactly how he means. And he knows how to refrain, though not necessarily to make his point, but maybe to avoid topics that he could have a myriad of reasons for not wanting to discuss. Often, courtesy, gentlemanliness, kindness, respect, friendship, or thinking that something is nobody elses's business. I haven't watched the video since the first two times the other day, but i recall Garth indicating that THEY were writing songs. Talking about what THEY were striving for, what THEY were doing.


Entered at Fri Nov 14 20:20:24 CET 2014 from (68.198.160.198)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Video of Dylan and G.E. Smith from Bridge Benefit 1988

This link was on Expecting Rain today from the AllDylan Website. Professional video, really great!


Entered at Fri Nov 14 18:35:26 CET 2014 from (64.94.31.206)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Bob was cool

So were The Band.Garth summed it up when he said that and started playing piano immediately.Let the music speak for itself.I agree with JT.Don't need a critic or reviewer to know which way the wind blows!Let the music,the poetry speak for itself!


Entered at Fri Nov 14 17:19:42 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: BTs creation

The Basement Tapes music has suffered some of the slings and arrows which come with media attention. Things are being blown out of all proportion regarding their significance. The roots of music approach of course was heavily influenced by this effort in the basement, but its significance in 1967 was not yet apparent other than the blues effect shown by some of the British groups. The 'Americana' and 'American songbook' effect did not impact in those years from my recollection and experience. This was a time of relaxation and enjoyment for these musicians. What I take away from the BTs is the huge impact of the joining of 6 minds in creating new songs of significance (Tears of Rage, I Shall Be Released, This Wheels On Fire) and songs that Dylan wrote that were new and created in that atmosphere. I wrote this because as usual I think the media journalists are getting carried away. The American roots effect began to rub off over time but the strength of the BTs is primarily the impact of 'awesome' songs and secondarily the fun and relaxation of musician camaraderie. That's how I see it anyway and no journalist or media is going to change that. When I hear Garth talking about those times, it reinforces that impression.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Anyone know anything about the upcoming Nick Lowe Tour? Its billed as a Holiday Revue, and if a show based on his recent Christmas Album-well, no. On the other hand Lowe has blown me away on stage in the past, and Ian McLagen and Lost Straitjackets are with him.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Garth you're just waisting tape

there's a couple of video snippets in there I've never seen before ...


Entered at Fri Nov 14 03:54:50 CET 2014 from (65.189.212.146)

Posted by:

Calvin

Giddens is a formidable talent, she is always worth a listen.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: S. Twil. Is.
Web: My link

Subject: Lost Tapes

Link is to Rhiannon Giddens' "Spanish Mary". Lyrics allegedly by Dylan. Cool video too.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Garth... you're just wastin' tape


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Everybody ... Stoned

Bill M: Hard to respond (especially with a song) when your lying there on your back. Maybe Tom Wilson responded in his stead or maybe it was Dylan.


Entered at Thu Nov 13 22:57:21 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: stones

From a Band-only PoV there's "The Stones I Throw". From a BT PoV there's "Be Careful Of The Stones You Throw". (Goliath's answer song, "Oww, Whadja Do That For?" remains unreleased.)


Entered at Thu Nov 13 22:26:27 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: David & Goliath… Gimmee A Stone

Go, David! Screw Goliath! Taylor Swift is right to use her position to withdraw from Spotify too. Link to Levon on "Gimmee A Stone" from "Largo."


Entered at Thu Nov 13 20:14:19 CET 2014 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Go'

Interesting. Which is David and which is Goliath? Oh, one starts with GO? Maybe that one is Goliath? The stone in the sling can be mighty, as we know from the lore.


Entered at Thu Nov 13 18:33:21 CET 2014 from (67.84.79.22)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Irving Azoff vs Google

I can't decide if this is a modern day version of David vs Goliath or not. :-)


Entered at Thu Nov 13 14:50:27 CET 2014 from (86.139.206.192)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Vinnie Colaiuta on Levon

As it's a wee bit quiet here at the moment - I assume everybody's enjoying the Basement Tapes - I've linked to an interview with drummer Vinnie Colaiuta. He has some very cool things to say about Levon.


Entered at Thu Nov 13 13:36:08 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.157)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: something that hadn't crossed my mind - but you're absolutely right. A Grammy (or three).

JT: "Tears Of Rage" is a gift that keeps on giving. Great lyrics by Dylan, great musical contributions from all, fantastic vocal by Richard ... and the quirkiest, atypical music beneath it all (again thanks to Richard, I assume).


Entered at Thu Nov 13 01:35:07 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Tears of Rage etc.

I would just like to thank all those involved; in the release of The Complete Basement Tapes. This box should win a Grammy.


Entered at Wed Nov 12 00:00:45 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Tears Of Rage

I have not listened to the 3 takes of Tears of Rage in many moons. Brilliant does not begin to describe this work. If they never did anything else, it would have been more than enough.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 14:07:15 CET 2014 from (81.147.178.166)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Garthian

That's a great adjective, Joe J - Garthian.

Know exactly what you mean.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 09:42:10 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

On the T-Bone BTs, I went to buy them yesterday, only to find they're released NEXT Monday. I was fooled by all the UK papers reviewing them last weekend. Always a mistake to send out review copies too early, I think.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 09:39:56 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In the UK, it all goes via BT at some time. I've heard bad reports too. I use Zen, but there's a problem with contention. Where we live in Poole, the population increases massively at weekends, and our connection slows right down. BT deny it. I managed to speak to some engineers about "fibre optic" (they were working in the road) and pointed out that the nearest fibre optic junction was half a mile away and then it was conventional cable. They reckoned my download speed would increase from 7 to 8 to 8 to 8.5 if I switched, and there'd still be a contention issue. Not worth it.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 02:13:46 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dunc

Thanks for letting me know. I don't use BT but have heard mixed reports.

At this end, I'm beginning to afew problems but I suspect it is Microsoft playing their games again.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 02:08:27 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.141)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: My thought zackly re T-Bone. Hey, weren't we talking about Dylan being t-boned last week?


Entered at Tue Nov 11 01:37:25 CET 2014 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Thanks so much Dunc. That was so Garthian.

Re 'Belle Isle': Yes, it has a familiar melody and, yes, it was in the Gerald S. Doyle songbook, but the only recorded version I ever heard in the 20th century, as I've noted before, was by Bob Dylan.

Still waiting patiently on the latest Bootleg and, while doing so, listening to the original Basement Tapes. Can't help thinking that so many of my favourite selections are Band songs that probably shouldn't have been there ('Orange Juice Blues', 'Yazoo St. Scandal', 'Katie's Been Gone'). That '75 release was about the time I got into either of the artists and was probably the first album by either I bought 'hot off the shelf'. I was eighteen.


Entered at Tue Nov 11 01:13:43 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

How interesting that Garth said The Patriot Game. If he had said With a God On a Our Side it would have worked, but then Bob must have done The Patriot Game words with them.

Rhetorical question, really. If Garth and Robbie had been part of it, T Bone Burnett would no longer have been 'in charge'


Entered at Mon Nov 10 22:24:36 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Don't worry friends. When Dunc says he's frustrated by BT, he means British Telecom in this case.


Entered at Mon Nov 10 22:17:03 CET 2014 from (81.147.178.166)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ian

Got the emails and read the article. Interesting, thanks. Replied to you by e mail, but it never got to you. Now can't get into my own e mails this evening. I find BT so frustrating at times.

Posted tickets this morning.


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Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dunc

Did you get my two e-mails?


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Impediments

Pat: Despite what I read in the 'popular' (and I use that word reservedly) media, I don't know the ins and outs of what it takes or what relationships are or any of that. Speculation is a waste of time. So I continue to dream and say 'what if' without any knowledge of impediments.


Entered at Mon Nov 10 18:39:23 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

JT, an even better question is why didn't T-Bone Burnett get Garth and Robbie to provide the backbone for this BT Continued release?


Entered at Mon Nov 10 17:07:54 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: BTs what if?

Wouldn't it be interesting to see Dylan and a crew of contemporaries tour the best of the BTs? (say Garth, Elvis Costello, T-Bone Burnett and a few others) in a limited run. With various players and singers taking front stage at times. That would be something!


Entered at Mon Nov 10 16:51:56 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Holy smokes! Thanks for the link.


Entered at Mon Nov 10 16:22:05 CET 2014 from (81.147.178.166)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Garth

Garth's contribution to the Today programme last week makes the BBC news website, today. See link.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 21:06:29 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stuck Inside of CD4 with the Basement Blues Again

I haven't been able to get past CD4 today. ClothesLine Saga, Sign on the Cross and Don't Ya Tell Henry especially. Listen to the version of Don't Ya Tell Henry from Lo and Behold by Coulson, Dean, McGuiness, Flint - they picked up on the horns.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 20:10:29 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Basement Tapes; evidence of a creative evolution

It is interesting to read the perceptions of the 'writers and critics throughout the land' and elsewhere regarding the BTs. I've also been interested in reading about the views of the 'Dylan people' and the 'Band people' and the intersection of these individuals. My views continue to evolve but essentially they come down to one notion; that this was a 'fun' period of creativity and camaraderie that allowed for the artistic evolution on both ends. As such, it is welcome evidence documenting that evolution and I for one am delighted that it was shared. The creative process is so often a mystery. Thank you to all concerned for giving this gift to me and I think I can say to all of us.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 19:18:30 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Greg Kot--a huge fan of Dylan and The Band--weighs in on the new BT release in the Chicago Tribune.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 17:09:50 CET 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Submarine hunting missions by Peter V

Now I am really pissed off! My father served as a captain in a submarine in the war against Russians in Baltic Sea. No Sunderlands sent by the Allies above them, thank God, only ordinary Russian bombers. Otherwise I would not exist and post in this gb, right? - They smoked salmon on the beaches and cooked delicious omelettes using eggs of seabirds while Peter's compatriots drank cold tea after flying their fourteen hours.

The moral of this post is of course that it is a blessing that we both post in this Norwegian site in harmony. "Peace", like we said in the sixties :-)


Entered at Sun Nov 9 15:38:39 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian, thanks. I can't believe anyone wouldn't be interested! I love flying boats. They have a Solent in the Southampton aviation museum, and they used to have a guy who actually flew on them giving a guided tours. They had individual cabins. They were converted Short Sunderland submarine hunters - often converted halfway through building them. He told us the submarine hunting missions were 7 hours out, seven hours back. No heating, No pressurization. A thought for Armistice Day.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 13:40:55 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Poole and flying boats [not interested, just skip this]

"Clare" at La Guardia:-

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/64c028a70b50b424_large

Flying boats at Poole:

http://www.pooleflyingboats.com/archive.html


Entered at Sun Nov 9 10:29:24 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Fox on The Run

Mimed version, unfortunately, but Bill and others can judge their assertion that they tried to make the chorus sound like The Weight. (See Toppermost on Manfred Mann linked earlier for quote)


Entered at Sun Nov 9 10:20:46 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Ian, double thanks for the Belle Isle info and the mention of Poole Harbour. I have an old "Punch" mag from 1946 or 1947 advertising BOAC with "the longest passenger flight in the world" which was Poole to Auckland NZ, taking six to seven days with some nice overnight hotels along the way. The flying boat dock has long been a yacht club, but when I was very young they had some big flying boats mothballed in the harbour. Well, Heathrow took over, and I hate to imagine an alternative reality with a jumbo flying boat going over my house every minute to land on the harbour among rows and rows of the things. The harbor was also where a huge number of American landing craft assembled before D-Day.

The link was random off Google- but the top images of the harbor change.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 03:01:58 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.157)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Something different this time - a link to an article about Toronto-baed singer-songwriter Doug Paisley, on whose latest album, "Strong Feelings" Garth Hudson plays (and Mary Margaret O'Hara sings). I believe that Garth also appeared on at least one of Paisley's earlier albums.

Peter V: Nice job on Manfred Mann at Toppermost. For years and years (but no longer) I had two MM 45s - "Mighty Quinn" and "Fox On The Run". Funny, but I don't recall how the latter went, though I must have liked in. I certainly didn't pick on the Weightiness of it, and now I'm wishing I'd kept it.


Entered at Sun Nov 9 01:27:44 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Belle Isle - Newfoundland, Ireland and Britain

Michael Gray’s article in THE TELEGRAPH (#29, Spring 1988 issue) is entitled “Back to Belle Isle” and is 40 pages long, including over 6 pages of footnotes. There was then some feedback from other readers, with a response from Mr Gray, published in THE TELEGRAPH under the title “Backlash to Belle Isle” (#31, Winter 1988 issue) – another 8 pages. I have done no more than scan these 48 pages in a very rushed way and simply cannot summarise them succinctly (and would not wish to enter this fray at all, let alone over a quarter of a century later. I will pick out a few points.

“Blooming Bright Star of Belle Isle” was printed by SING OUT! magazine in its Summer 1957 issue but then appeared on page 31 of “Reprints from Sing Out ! Volume 9”, published in 1966. As one contributor wrote of the lyric, “(it) is identical to Dylan’s version, allowing for certain carelessness in his vocal”. Another contributor also believed that Dylan was working from this Sing Out! reprint book. The first goes on to suggest that, since Dylan cannot read music, he made up a melody and then “extemporises and rearranges the melody as the song progresses”.

There is discussion as to whether the song originated in Ireland, with evidence to support that it did. As Newfoundland did not join the Canadian Confederation until 1949, prior to which it was a colony and dominion of the United Kingdom, there was a great deal of trade and other interchange across the Atlantic, including cultural interchange, Ireland being the first landfall from Newfoundland.

To end, I will inject something quite different. On 13 September 1940 (a week after the Luftwaffe had changed its strategy to an all-out attack on London) an “Empire”-class flying boat of BOAC named “Clare” took off from Poole Harbour and headed westward. Though civilian, it was camouflaged but was unarmed and had no fighter escort. It flew to Shannon on the west coast of Eire but weather delayed its onward flight. The next day, another flying boat arrived from Poole carrying a bundle of London newspapers, which were transferred to “Clare”. That evening (on a day when 185 German aircraft were shot down raiding London), “Clare” took off on the Great Circle route to Newfoundland. The next day, it luckily found a gap in the clouds and descended to Botwood on the Bay of Exploits in Newfoundland. It stayed just over an hour before flying on to Boucherville near Montreal. By dusk, “Clare” was circling New York at an altitude of 1000 feet. It made a circuit over the East River as far as the Queensborough Bridge and alighted at La Guardia airport. This was a time when German propaganda claimed that London was rubble and that Fleet Street had been bombed out of action. That an unarmed civil airplane had made the crossing at the height of the Battle of Britain had a great impact in America. Newspapers there printed photostats of the London newspapers, reporting on the war, mentioning that bad news was not concealed (the bombing of Buckingham Palace, for example) and commenting on the normality of the advertisements. The NEW YORK POST’s banner headline on 18 September 1940 was: EXTRA EXTRA! LONDON NEWSPAPERS IN BUSINESS AS USUAL.

I include the above in part because the role of civilian airman in WWII is rarely mentioned but mainly to illustrate the close links between the British Isles and Newfoundland that existed well into the 20th century. On my own first flight to the USA (a student charter in the mid-1960s), for example, the former Pan American Airways Douglas DC-7 faced strong headwinds and had to divert to Gander Airport in Newfoundland to refuel.

Also, I though Peter V might like to see Poole Harbour get a mention here.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 23:27:59 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Speculation on Dylan

John D and anyone interested: Assuming this is the album of the future, will Dylan tour these songs What an interesting prospect that would be. My hope always was that Bob Dylan would do an ' almost unplugged' tour with minimalist backing by superb musicians. Smaller venues like the ones he is now playing would be a perfect setting for these songs. One can only hope. The future is bright. (I gotta wear shades).


Entered at Sat Nov 8 22:44:17 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: From Chris Morris's Wasted Space Column...What comes after The Complete Basement Tapes?

This morning I took a break from spinning The Basement Tapes Complete to address the music that may very well be on the next release from Bob Dylan, Shadows in the Night. The latter project was apparently put on the back burner in deference to the six-CD archival set that landed this week. A leaflet announcing the 2015 release of Shadows was included with the Basement Tapes set.

Dylan leaked a track from the thus far unreleased album this spring: “Full Moon and Empty Arms,” a pop song adapted from Rachmaninoff’s “Piano Concerto No. 2” and recorded by Frank Sinatra, of all people, in 1945, during his first days as a soloist, at Columbia Records. Since then, an intriguing post has appeared on the Dylan-obsessive Web site Expecting Rain; the writer, who identified himself as “Geezerfreak,” claimed to have inside knowledge of the other tracks recorded by Dylan (with his working band and guitarist Dean Parks) for Shadows in the Night. He listed 21 songs purportedly recorded in January and February of this year at Capitol Studios in Hollywood; he later amended the list with a song he said he forgot.

Of the songs allegedly cut for the record, 19 of the 21 were recorded by Sinatra. (The other two are Johnny Mercer and Hoagy Carmichael’s “Skylark,” which Sinatra never cut in the studio, and “Didn’t He Ramble,” a New Orleans antique waxed by Louis Armstrong, among others.) The oldest of the renderings dated back to Sinatra’s tenure with trumpeter Harry James’ band in 1939; the most recent was heard on the Voice’s 1980 album Trilogy.

There’s no way of verifying the info about what may or may not be coming on the album, but Geezerfreak called at least one number correctly: “Stay With Me,” the theme song for the movie The Cardinal, which Sinatra recorded in 1964 for Reprise, was debuted by Dylan as a concert encore last weekend at the Dolby Theatre in L.A.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 21:19:16 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Rick

Pure genuis.His bass playing on take 1 of Lo and Behold is so intricate,tuneful,melodic-perhaps one of the most interesting bass lines I've ever heard.He just zips in and out of musical lanes with great feel and efficiency.In take 2 he slightly alters the bass lines but his choice for emphasis on particular notes compliment Garth's organ beautifully.The Band's brilliance musically is so much fun to hear.Rick was the musical highlight on those takes,but they all shine throughout.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 20:26:00 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Basement Tapes Book-Garth

In the book(as I sit here beginning disc 3) there is a section by Jan Haust where he describes Garth's work with him on the tapes.Garth's musical memories,keeping things accurate,and admiration for Dylan's ability to "play" the typewriter resulting in a stream of songs were discussed. Then,Haust writes this: "Of course Garth's admiration appears to us from an alternate dimension,a spiritual plane where the first language is music,pure music.Garth's language.Throughout Dylan's instantly typed,freshly recorded songs we can hear Garth's organ fills and swirls,embellishments and accompaniments inspired by the words.Two masters each playing their own keys to a previously unknown kingdom."


Entered at Sat Nov 8 18:45:00 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: 5-4-3-2-1 … it's the Manfreds

Manfred Mann Toppermost is now up … several Dylan references and one song I had not noticed was inspired by The Weight. But it was.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 17:58:40 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: See You Later Allen Ginsberg

Who's singing with Bob on this song?


Entered at Sat Nov 8 17:47:09 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Basement/Storytone

Got both. Basement,so far loving disc 1.Peter,correct on your view of Storytone-I like the big band stuff musically.Lyrically,some good moments but generally inconsistent.Brain too rattled by Bob and the boys to focus properly on Neil-so I'll return to it.Back to the Basement!


Entered at Sat Nov 8 17:09:39 CET 2014 from (81.159.126.251)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Belle Isle

Enjoyed the correspondence. I would never have noticed that line, Peter, but agree now that it is added.

The genre of the song and Loch Earn made me always assume it was Scottish, but the three versions Ian links to all have Erin, so probably Irish.

Thanks everybody.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 08:43:15 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Belle Isle / Basement / Traffic

Thanks for the Newfoundland link. My notes on Belle Isle were circa 1998, and had already been updated to get Michael Gray's "Appalchian ballad" reappraisal. The Newfoundland ballad takes the feet out from under all of it. 1927? At least when written down. Then that "clever pastiche" verse is just plain bad. Disappointing, though I'm sure Bob found it amusing and knowingly. It still sounds a different time frame to the rest of the song. But that's folk music. It gets half-remembered and adapted and added to.

Bill makes a very good point. Every assumption in every write-up has Dylan directing every choice of material. OK, he wanted to expose them to folk, but if you've been in a situation when musicians have all day to piddle around, it doesn't work like that, even when one guy is the leader, or director or boss. People mess around tuning up, warming up, playing bits of stuff. Sometimes others join in. Bill must be right - sometimes others may have suggested the next bit. Not "Let's do this" but by messing around. I recall one hilarious jam in the UK where one guy (not the organist) was playing with the Hammond trying to get it to sound tinny, like a Farfisa, because he'd been told you couldn't. He started playing "96 Tears" while he tried and everyone laughed, then one joined in, then another. That's a natural process.

I've been waiting among all these BT reviews for the first reviewer to point out that Traffic moved into their cottage in Berkshire in April 1967 to invent "getting the band together in the country" by playing, jamming and writing in a rural retreat. Parallel development.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 06:08:52 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

A couple specific points and a general one on Ben Rollins' intersting and helpful track-by-track of the Dylan/Hawks BT songs:

1) "Po' Lazarus" is another song from the second Ian and Sylvia album, supporting my suspicion that Bob had a copy at hand and was using it and presumably others as a teaching aid.

2) In the discussion of "Be Careful Of The Stones That You Throw", I would have liked to see mention of the first Levon and the Hawks single, "The Stones I Throw" (with a "That" thrown in when sung), which JT reports having seen them play when the '65 Dylan tour came to Toronto and the uncapitalised-upon minor success of which likely had something to do with Levon's departure not all that long afterwards.

3) I think Rollins fails badly in seeing Dylan's alternate lyrics for "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere" (take 1) as free word association rather than encouragement to the Hawks' talents and aspirations.

4) A point is made that Dylan returned to "Quinn The Eskimo" and released a live version on "Self Portrait", but there's no mention that said live version also included the very same guys (plus Levon) as played on the BT version. Oh, them again!

5) The general point, a quibble, is that Rollins, like Marcus in "Weird America", conveys the idea that all songs were chosen by Dylan, which seems unlikely in any musical setting involving talented peers horsing around. Rick in particular knew C&W, Richard in particular knew gospel, Garth was a walking musical encyclopedia and Robbie knew the blues and (as he pointed out to Marcus, but was ignored - likely for rhetorical reasons) knew country songs from time spent with uncles and cousins on the Six Nations reserve.


Entered at Sat Nov 8 04:48:19 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Carmen: They did, tapes exist and there was a nixed thought that the Hawks-only (or Hawks-sung) BT material would be included in the BT set. Presumably it'll make it into the history-of-the-Hawks set that's been mentioned here. 2015, the 50th anniversary of the meeting with Dylan, seems a sensible goal, though I would expect a lot of pre-Dylan material to be included as well.

Who drums on "Ferdinand"?


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: RR MOJO Interview

RR mentions a few times that they recorded a bunch of their own stuff.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 22:09:11 CET 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Belleisle Sound

Heading up Kingcome Inlet about half way on starboard, you go thru' a little narrows into a quiet little body of water that is Belleisle Sound.

Wonder who brought that name to that place/ Perhaps some one from Captain George Vancouver's ship.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 19:37:51 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Nice, but no Elmer Vasko? (I won't even mention Leo Boivin from the golden age of defencemen.)


Entered at Fri Nov 7 18:54:26 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

NwC: You might try playing "Long Black Veil"; maybe it'll turn into "The Weight", as it did in the hands of Handsome Ned on a wonderful CD released a few years ago by Other People's Music, i.e., Jan Haust, now suddenly of BT fame.

Since that version of LBV doesn't appear to exist online, I've instead posted 'my' first (and so the best) "Nottamun Town" - by Fairport Convention when their vocal frontline included Ian Matthews as well as Sandy Denny and Richard Thompson.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 18:33:39 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.251)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The track-by-track description of the BT’s at bobdylan.com as referenced at the What’s New section of this website is an enjoyable read.

John D: Must have been something walking down those stairs and just imagining all that was created down there……those sorts of visits mean a lot to me…..near the end of my Dad’s life we spent some time going back to his childhood home and area. Special times. Also while travelling in a place like Rome I find it more rewarding to just stop at a place like the Colosseum and look around, feeling the walls thinking about what happened there rather than shuffle through with headset on with the all the other tourists……Bob Dylan has some of that as well as I recall some years back while in Winnipeg, he went for a visit to Neil Young’s childhood home and asked if he could have a glance inside……….and a by the way that Bill M might know as well your mention of Duff Roman the other day reminded me to ask about the great “Yonge Street – Rock n Roll Stories” and so I called my video store contact and he looked it up and according to him - still no DVD release date ! Perhaps they are waiting for a tie-in to the L&TH’s release in 2015.

“Nottamun Town” and “Masters of War”………..while such clean lifts are part of the folk tradition, one wonders what we would make of some young whipper-snapper 100 years from now when they take the best of the Beatles and add some great lyrics.

LINKED: “Nottamun Town” done by Ginger Baker – kidding. Thank you Ian…..the only Dylan book I have ever read was Chronicles and I loved it……he was important to me in many ways growing up and I never wanted to know too much about all the other stuff that unauthorized bios seem to always focus on.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 16:03:48 CET 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster (again)

Subject: 'Belle Isle' of Dylan

Silly me. I always thought that it was Belle Ile on the coast of Bretagne. So, the colour of my French car (blue) is not after a Self Portrait song at all? Allright, let it be "Blue Moon" in the same album then. Who cares?


Entered at Fri Nov 7 15:50:41 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: Belle Isle - background

http://www.wtv-zone.com/phyrst/audio/nfld/03/blooming.htm


Entered at Fri Nov 7 15:49:18 CET 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: 'Galway Races' and 'TNTDODD'

After my recent post I picked up my ol' banjo and played 'Galway Races' once again - but with a too slow and weird tempo and jumped over every fourth or fifth note, too. I am a bit rusty, you see. BUT WHAT DID I GET, GOOD PEOPLE? I got TNTDODD!!! Now to you gb master minds: find out who had heard this song or, even better, who played it. Obviously Mr. Dylan did not. Then you'll get the one who stays behind the most of the melody. - Maybe, maybe not.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 15:37:32 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Belle Isle

Michael Gray wrote a very long article on "Belle Isle" for THE TELEGRAPH (the now defunct Dylan fanzine, not the UK daily newspaper). It was long enough to be spread over two issues. As I recall, the song is thought to originate in Britain but seems to have settled (as it were) in Newfoundland in Canada.

The SELF PORTRAIT folio songbook gives the credit for "Belle Isle" as "New music by Bob Dylan" and it is copyrighted to his "Big Sky Music". It has also been listed as "Trad. arranged Bob Dylan". I believe it was printed in SING OUT! magazine some time, which is where Dylan may have found it. I have a pretty complete set of SING OUT! magazines from the 1960s but it would take a while to locate this particular song. That said, it is believed that Dylan was working from the SING OUT! REPRINT booklet(s) of songs during the SELF PORTRAIT sessions, so it is probably in one of those.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 15:29:34 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Those Belle Isle lyrics would fit the tune of another Scottish classic, "My Bonnie Lies Over The Ocean", a tune recorded by the Silver Beatles. Anyway, what the Dylan verse does for me is bring to mind the "I gave my love a cherry" bit of "Animal House". The 'beardies', as Peter puts it, may have appreciated the joke, but what would Blutto have done? By the way, the shortest water route between the Canadian mainland and Joe J's island, Newfoundland, is across the Strait of Belle Isle - named after a much much smaller island in the vicinity.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 14:43:03 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Belle Isle

That's a much discussed song, starting with Michael Gray. He originally thought it a Dylan original, while Tim Riley and Clinton Heylin disagreed. Gray revisited his research anew and found an Appalachian ballad. Like Wild Mountain Thyme there's debate on whether it's Scottish or Irish too. This is what I had in it from my unfinished project "REVILED - the Albums Critics Love To Hate."

BELLE ISLE

The deep bass and brushed snares make you think Country and Western. Then the full pop strings come in like 101 Strings or Mantovani. The lyrics combine echoes of a traditional English ballad (maidens and damsels) with Irish music (the banks of Lough Erin … my blooming bright star of Belle Isle - remember Belfast was originally Belle Fast - good harbour) or maybe it’s Scots (Loch Earn not Lough Erin), or is it in fact American?

Listen to this verse:

Young maiden I wish not to banter

Tis true I come here in disguise

I came here to fulfil my last promise

And hoped to give you a surprise!

The last line is suddenly modern English (and forced), and you can almost here the chuckle in his voice. Michael Gray devotes a whole page to the song in The Art of Bob Dylan and says of this line:

GRAY: "The fourth line brings the fall - that ludicrously bad distribution of syllables, the awfulness of the rhyme and the bathos of the hope expressed … it has all been perfectly timed. It is brilliant clowning." ENDQUOTE

Dead right. I see it in a folk club setting. The previous act had done Chastity Belt and as he sings "And hoped to give you a surprise … " he winks, and the beardies roar with laughter and make obscene gestures. Dylan knew the folk club scene, and this is pure pastiche.

Michael Gray believed at first that it was a genuine Dylan original, though Tim Riley questions the parentage of both this and Alberta, saying Dylan’s claim to credit is disrespectful at best, deceitful at worst, Clinton Heylin also says it’s a traditional song. I always agreed with Gray that it was too much of a parody to be a real ancient ballad. The only other tune called Belle Isle I could find listed is by the Band of The Grenadier Guards, on an album which also features Rule Brittania. I haven’t heard it, but it means it could be an old tune with new lyrics (compare The Patriot Game and Restless Farewell) .

However, Gray’s later research for articles on the song revealed that it was indeed a genuine Appalachian ballad. On the recording sheet it’s called Belle Isle (The Star of Belle Isle). But I believe the lyrics were doctored. And that Dylan added that verse.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 14:32:30 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A little advice, don't put the "at" symbol on the internet, as SPAM search engines look for it and find it. I'd put "followed by the at symbol, then" rather than the symbol.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 13:46:52 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ian W

Enjoyed that last text, Ian. I'm too young for that era. It would really be Lay Lady Lay that would take me into Dylan. Rag Mama Rag would take me into the Band. The first Dylan album that would come into the house would be 'Bringing It All Back Home' followed by 'Planet Waves'. But at that time I did not know the musicians who played on 'Planet Waves' were the same musicians who played on 'Rag Mamma Rag'. Also 'Mr Tambourine Man' by the Byrds, (I never knew was written by Dylan) took me into a life long love of the Byrds.

Tickets are like mini posters. e mail me at cduncan521@btinternet.com and I'll get them to you.

Really enjoying all the coverage the Basement tapes are getting.

I feel guilty about Jean Redpath and some other older folkies because I would have shown little interest in them when I was consumed by the Beatles, Kinks, Stones etc.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 12:53:31 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Metacritic

At this date, The BTs Complete has the highest score ever recorded at Metacritic - 100 - . (based upon 10 critical reviews). Not news to us, but the impact to the overall music public is very high).


Entered at Fri Nov 7 12:48:43 CET 2014 from (92.18.196.57)

Posted by:

Frank

Subject: Dylan

Dylan has a place in Scotland.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 12:37:52 CET 2014 from (83.249.132.27)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Scottish music and Dylan

As an amateur banjo player (with a capital _A_) I use to strum Scottish and Irish songs every now and then. Somehow sooner or later they always turn to sound like a Dylan song. But there is one Irish song which never does: "Galway Races". - BTW can't help but mention the beautiful Joan Baez Song Book - a double album of Scottish and Irish songs.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 12:17:53 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Bert Jansch, Dylan tix and Jean Redpath

I saw Bert Jansch quite a lot of times in the mid-1960s but I'd have to check my pocket diaries for the dates and places but it must be something like a dozen times. I also went several times to the Horseshoe Hotel in London in early 1967 (which is where Pentangle slowly evolved from Bert and John – John Renbourn, that is). I saw Pentangle in Glasgow (at the City Halls in Candleriggs); we entered early from the wrong side of the building and caught a bit of the soundcheck (no security in those days). I last saw Bert Jansch in Edinburgh (in the Spiegeltent in Charlotte Square during the Book Festival); I was introduced to him by Colin Harper, his biographer, and Bert signed my ticket. Incidentally, Colin’s book (“Dazzling Stranger”) is well worth the read.

Dunc, I’d be pleased to have those Dylan tickets. I don’t collect tickets as such but, back in the days when correspondence was by snail mail, it was not uncommon to paperclip a ticket stub to a letter so, over the years, I got a few tickets from shows I didn’t attend – and some of those pre-computer tickets can be quite attractive.

Dylan certainly crossed paths with Jean Redpath but she isn’t mentioned in CHRONICLES VOLUME ONE. Yes, she landed in a sort-of communal apartment when Dylan was staying there. In fact, I seem to recall that she once said that, when she first went there, she came upon a sort-of jam session with several folk-singers, including Dylan. Robert Shelton, who first wrote Dylan up in the NEW YORK TIMES, also wrote letters to various (influential?) people, promoting both her and Dylan. I wrote about Shelton’s behind-the-scenes support for Dylan a few years back and Jean Redpath features in the article.

Incidentally, whereas Dylan flew to London in December 1962 to appear in the BBC-TV play MADHOUSE ON CASTLE STREET, Jean Redpath came back to Scotland that month for Christmas and Hogmanay.

Dunc, if there is some way you can get your e-mail address to me, I’d happily send you a copy of the article in exchange for the Oporto tickets.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 11:38:18 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M,

Just by coincidence the wonderful Dylan version of 'Belle Isle' has come on as I play 'Another Self Portrait'. Loch Earn is a beautiful loch.

Peter Stone Brown's article made me think again of how good a folk singer Dylan is.

I think 'Another Self Portrait' is wonderful.

Retirement seems to be a mix of babysitting and playing music. Loudly because the neighbours are out.

Postnote:I remember you championing 'Songs For A Taylor'. There has ben reports this week in the Scottish press about his funeral at Golders Green in London. Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker attended.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 11:22:06 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Who would you get to play the Band

The press covering the Band in Britain continues.

There was an excellent, substantial article in The Herald(Glasgow) yesterday, 'Mining for diamonds in Dylan's basement tapes' referring to T Bone Burnett's overseeing of putting music to Bob's box of lyrics from 1967. The result is 'Lost on the River:The New Basement Tapes.' People like Elvis Costello and Marcus Mumford set music to the lyrics.

I can't link the article because it's pay to view.

Burnett talks of his relationship with Dylan and forming a modern day version of the Band and I quote:

'He even assembled a modern day version of The Band in the form of Costello, Mumford, My Morning Jacket's Jim James, Talor Goldsmith from Californian folk rockers Dawes and Rhiannon Giddens from old time revivalists Carolina Chocolate Drops.'

'I was looking for people like The Band, who could all sing and play multiple instruments in their own right as well as being Band leaders. People who I knew to be collaborative, too, because the idea was to let it find its own course.'

'The idea, says Burnett,was not to replicate the original Basement Tapes but to honour its freewheeling spirit'.

While recording the album 'Dylan was in the adjoining studio, beavering away on a new album of standards which Burnett describes as sounding like Debussy or something.'

Hope this is of interest.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 10:52:45 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Bill M:Bert passed. I only saw him once alone Bill M. I was lucky to see him with Pentangle twice, including the farewell tour. Scottish acts have a hard time, whatever the genre. You've got to break Scotland, then move to London to get a recording contract. See Ian's post below.

Ian W:Thanks very much for the effort. I'll enjoy looking up the websites. You never came across Dylan referring to Jean Redpath? At this time I would be at primary school and into hit singles.

Played 'Bringing It All Back Home', ''Highway 61' and 'Another Self Portrait' yesterday. I love 'Another Self Portrait' and Bob's singing on this album.

I was once on holiday in Oporto and was lucky to see Bob playing in a smallish theatre where the first part of the set was semi acoustic. I came across the tickets which have the Dylan portrait from'Good As I Been To You' on them - old fashioned card tickets. If anybody collects Dylan tickets they are welcome to them.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 10:29:28 CET 2014 from (67.189.178.48)

Posted by:

Norman

Subject: My email address

normanclancyster@gmail.com


Entered at Fri Nov 7 09:44:23 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Norman Clancy: Can you please send me an e-mail? Thanks.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 05:19:46 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, google "Scotch Irish influence on Appalachian music" and prepare for a long night. There is also an excellent little book called "Attack and Die" which illuminates the effect of the Scotch-Irish war mentality on the Confederacy.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 04:41:48 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Thanks for the education. I didn't even know that Jansh was Scottish. Is Scottish? I did see him once, with Renbourn in a Toronto church (in the Annex two or three blocks east of Sonic Boom). I always knew he was a big influence on Donovan, who I always knew was Scottish, and I've convinced myself that a key bit of Donovan's "Atlantis" ("Way down below the ocean, where I want to be, she made me") was stuck in Robbie (Rabbie?) Robertson's mind when he was writing "The Shape I'm In" (I"m going down by the water, but I ain't gonna jump in no no, I'll just be looking for my maker, cause I hear that's where she lives").


Entered at Fri Nov 7 00:53:07 CET 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Spendin the cash

I just had to go down to the store, so I took a burn thru' London Drugs. I bought the 2 disc set of the basement tapes for 20 bucks. I'll listen to it in my truck when I head out to work in a couple of days.

The most expensive set they had there was the 30th anniversary 2 disc set for 30 bucks. I couldn't get myself to shell out $50 all at one shot. If I'm in the mood I'll get it later. It's probably my favourite.


Entered at Fri Nov 7 00:21:48 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Radio Scotland on Dylan's Scottish roots

Dunc, here are two refernces to that programme:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.dylan/Zxeo3775W2U

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015p645


Entered at Fri Nov 7 00:14:51 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and Scotland - again

"Young But Daily Growin'" is an old song (at least as far back as the 18th century), with lots of variants both lyrically and musically. Dylan was singing it as early as 1961. I've seen it listed simply as British and also as Irish. Some say that its origin is in this song:

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Young_Laird_of_Craigston.htm

... in which case, a it would be Scottish origin. I guess it depends on which version you know and when and where that particular version originated. I'm no expert here.

As for Dylan and Burns, the UK arm of the HMV record shop ran a series of posters in each one of which a famous musician gave his or her most influential song or poem. Dylan chose "A Red, Red Rose".

http://www.robertburns.org/works/444.shtml

Curiously, both of the above are from the late 18th century. "Young But Daily Growin'" first appeared in print (as "Lady Mary Ann") in 1792 and "My luve is like a red, red rose" in 1794.

It was not Bert Jansch who influenced Dylan's composition of "Masters of War". Dylan wrote this song in St. Mary's Hall, Putney, where the rehearsals for the BBC-TV play "Madhouse on Castle Street" took place in December 1962. As far as I am aware, Bert was not in London during this period. Dylan said that, lyrically, he was prompted by coverage in the British press about the Bahamas meeting of President Kennedy and Prime Minister Macmillan that resulted in decision to form the multilateral nuclear force, involving the sale of Polaris missiles to the UK. The tune is most certainly "Nottamun Town" but it is more likley that Dylan was familiar with the Jean Ritchie recording. Apparently, she thought so and made a legal claim. It is also quite possible that Dylan heard someone singing it in a London folk club at that time.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 23:57:36 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Kevin J

A number of years ago I got to tour the Big Pink house; including The Basement. The new owner has really spruced it up in this video.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 23:54:54 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: 2 Things

Pat. Just listened to Lo & Behold Take 2. That's the one we remember from the 75 version. Organ mixed louder.

Jan? OK I'll bite. Sorry don't get it. I'm sure I'll be the only one.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 22:44:25 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link


Entered at Thu Nov 6 21:15:53 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Kevin

Thanks Kevin. We crossed in the ether. Glencoe is an imposing glen.

Here's Rab Noakes and a group of Scottish musicians doing Dylan.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 21:01:08 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Ian W Bill M

Ian W: Thanks. I'm surprised I missed that. I think Rab is excellent and have several of his CDs.

Bill M:Thanks. I don't have that BARK album so it will go on the Xmas list.

I have noticed several Scottish influences over the years, but as you know I'm not an expert.

Actual songs 'Young But Daily Growin', a ballad and 'Bonnie Ship the Diamond', a Scottish whaling song on the Basement Tapes.(The Band are great on this). PSB in his excellent article on the Basement Tapes describes 'Young But Daily Growin' as English with Scottish influence. I thought before his article that it was Scottish.

'Pretty Peggy-O' on 'Bob Dylan' I would think is taken from 'Bonnie Lass O' Fyvie', which I've linked.

Influence of Scottish artists. Bert Jansch's version of 'Nottamun Town' influences 'Masters of War'.(Thanks Peter V for getting me a copy). He as I posted shared a flat with the Scottish folk song collector, Jean Redpath.

Dylan knows his Burns. The lyrics of 'Highlands' for example on Time Out Of Mind' draws on the poetry of Burns.

Hope these examples are of help, Bill. And remember he has a house in the Highlands.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 20:38:11 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.253)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: "Senor" by janey kirk - The Times are a being reversed

Bill M/Dunc: See LINK.......Scottish Country tackles Bob Dylan !


Entered at Thu Nov 6 19:15:02 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: 1) Do you have the newish BARK, "South"? 2) Where is the Scottish influence reflected in Dylan's work?


Entered at Thu Nov 6 19:04:55 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Dylan and Scotland

Dunc, I seem to recall a programme about this on BBC Radio Scotland a few years back, in the days when I lived within its broadcast area. I think it was put together by Rab Noakes (though he may have been using the more formal Robert Noakes back then).

I may even have a dub of the programme but have no idea where it might be amongst all the CD-Rs, MiniDiscs and cassettes around here. I moved house a few years back and those things have never got back into any sense of order.

I seem to recall Dylan himself, in reference to "Lay Down Your Weary Tune", saying that he probably got it from listening to vinyl releases of Scottish ballads. This may have been when he spent some time on the West Coast with Joan Baez - the timing is about right.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 18:35:31 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Thanks,

Thanks very much JT, Roger, Kevin, Peter Stone Brown and Dave.

Roger: Thanks. I listen to the Scottish equivalent in the mornings.(You've got James Naughtie back after the referendum. You're welcome.)It was interesting that Heylin never mentioned anything about Dylan producing songs for other artists, he was jamming.

Loved Garth's response - 'Dylan was cool.' I remember reading Garth saying that the one question he didn't want to be asked ever again was what it was like to work with Bob Dylan.

Peter Stone Brown. Great article. Thanks. I've always been interested in how Dylan picked up the Scottish influence, but have never really found an article on this. I know that he shared a flat in Greenwich Village with the singer, academic, Burns expert, Jean Redpath, who sadly died a few months ago. I wonder if you ever came across Dylan mentioning her. (I posted her obituary)


Entered at Thu Nov 6 18:30:20 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jon Lyness, you also may notice that "We Can Talk" is recorded at 7.5 ips.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 18:22:43 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Today's BBC "TODAY" programme

The alarm went off at 07.45 but it was just after 08.00 that I turned on the TODAY programme. Imagine my surprise when, at the very end, there was a little bit of Garth speaking and then playing. I was actually engaged in something else at the end but I think I caught a snatch of Parry's tune to William Blake's "Jerusalem" [I'm prepared to be wrong about this, though].

I also missed an item of interest to one of my son's and, sadly, the following programme [IN OUR TIME], which I try to catch most weeks, was one of the less interesting ones. And, at the weekend, I passed Melvyn Bragg in one of the alleys between St Martin's Lane and Charing Cross Road, which I thought was a good sign for this week - not so.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 15:51:50 CET 2014 from (24.114.77.66)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Another fine article as posted at the "What's New" section of this website.......interesting that Garth's favorite from the BT is "Yazoo Street Scandal".

RS Garth video: I had only ever seen pictures of that legendary basement before and had an image of it being very cramped and small.......wonderful to see an actual video and realize how much bigger and lighter and friendlier it appears.......and Bravo to the owners for not building condos!


Entered at Thu Nov 6 14:59:43 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jon L: Good eye re a Basement version of "We Can Talk". I wonder of Levon's on the 'Bob-centric' other songs on the tape? We know that Levon arrived relatively late in the Basement days, by which time the Hawks already had a deal of their own, or at least knew that serious money was in the bag, and can reasonably infer that planning for their first album was so far along that Levon was allotted just one lead vocal - albeit an all-important one. And since Garth had tape, a recorder and a will to deploy them, surely there's a decent amount of Hawks-sung material around. I'm wondering how much they would have done with Dylan in the room, and maybe even on guitar or piano, and also whether any proto-versions of "The Weight" exist, however sketchy.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 13:43:23 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Return to Big Pink

What a great little piece of film, with Garth's playing at the end. Thanks.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 13:04:42 CET 2014 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: BT video with Garth

At 5:38 in the Garth video, you can catch a glimpse of a list of songs on the back of a tape reel box. The songs listed are Bob-centric cover songs, but there appears to be an early recording of We Can Talk sandwiched in between them?!


Entered at Thu Nov 6 12:57:02 CET 2014 from (67.189.178.48)

Posted by:

Norman Clancy

Web: My link

Subject: The Article

I read the article. I guess I stand corrected. If its in an article it must be right. JH I just want to clarify. You spoke to Jan Haust and he told you he was going to release Levon Helm and the Hawks? If so,tell him to contact the estate and work this out. What amazes me and I have seen it many times. When people have their hand on that bible memories seem to clear right up. What a shame this is. Everyone is trying to do the right thing these days(including Robbie) and this bs has to happen. I am sure John is going to want to strangle me for even posting here but this one is wrong. The record business sucks but I have found that when presented with the truth and it can be proven people tend to do the right thing. Keep that in mind Mr.Faust before you do something stupid.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 12:41:39 CET 2014 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: BT & BAND

Looks like this BT project breathed a little life into Garth. He looked good in the video. Still no answer as to the BAND tracks from the basement and this is frustrating me to no end.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 10:29:01 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Bugger! We're usually listening to "Today" at 7.43, but not this morning.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 10:17:50 CET 2014 from (86.163.134.36)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK
Web: My link

Subject: Garth on BBC Today programme

Wow - a first. The BBC radio flagship news / current affairs programme featured a short interview with Garth this morning and gave him the honour of playing the show out! The programme will be available shortly at the link above.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 05:00:46 CET 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

You said it Norm. From first hearing The Weight, with that Crazy Chester verse, & then Virgil Cain and The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down finishing me off. my whole life been Band related. I don't doubt it's been that way for many here.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 04:16:37 CET 2014 from (70.66.250.161)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Of days gone by

After watching the link Dave has so kindly provided, and listening to Garth's reflections this occurs to me.

It is always great to find any thing related to the BAND to post here. However, when we talk about other things which can't help but happen, they are all Band related.

In their lives, I'm sure they lived and as well as the music they had things to say. Other wise, where would the music come from? There had to be things in life and love to write about. What is Rockin Chair? a big piece of two guys lives and what they hoped their end to be.

I won't ever accept that this site has to have a Band event or song or piece about one of the players to be Band related. I think most of us in our lives and how this music affected us is "Band related"

Thanks Dave for a really enjoyable clip......any day now, any way now.............


Entered at Thu Nov 6 03:27:04 CET 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dave, thanks. I was smiling better than i have in a long time!


Entered at Thu Nov 6 03:21:21 CET 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: cabbagetown/Saltspring Island

Subject: Dave

Thank you Dave. It's strange, in a very interesting way, that Garth remembers it being bigger now than when he was last there. Gotta love that man.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 02:37:58 CET 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Dave H

Thanks for that Wow!! link. Muchly enjoyed it.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 01:15:50 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.173)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The interesting part of the Toronto Star article was the explanation of the technical work Peter Moore did in restoring/enhancing the BT tapes.....If he has been able to do that with the L&TH's recordings ( and related - which is also exciting ) then we might all be in for a real treat.


Entered at Thu Nov 6 00:47:30 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.153)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT / Kevin J / Dave H; Thanks for the links. Keeps getting beter and better eh?


Entered at Thu Nov 6 00:16:45 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

According to Jan H. (thank you, No Depression, for the schizophrenia) and the Toronto Star BT article, the long-awaited Levon & The Hawks box set will be released next year!


Entered at Wed Nov 5 23:46:08 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Dave H, that is about the best ten minutes I've spent in quite a while.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 23:25:12 CET 2014 from (136.167.102.196)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

Subject: Garth Hudson returns to Big Pink for the first time in 46 years

Video on the Rolling Stone website. Needless to say, a must-see.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 23:07:40 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Toronto Star article on BT - LINKED


Entered at Wed Nov 5 23:07:26 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

John D, after comparing the two, I think Garth played differently on the 75 release version--more held chords that cut through a bit more. What's also obvious is the added harmony vocals on the 75 version which sound overdubbed.

btw, is there going to be a Canadian Squires box set too?


Entered at Wed Nov 5 22:55:07 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

JT…....Thank you.....A fabulous article……of great interest to those so taken with The Basement Tapes…..but especially for those of us excited about a Levon & The Hawks release…….It is happening for the 50th anniversary of the Dylan/Hawks meeting !


Entered at Wed Nov 5 21:55:05 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: So much written.... so little time

This might be an article worthy of one's time. (I think so).

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2014/11/05/bob_dylan_and_the_bands_complete_basement_tapes_resurface_at_last.html


Entered at Wed Nov 5 21:32:16 CET 2014 from (71.43.124.98)

Posted by:

Dan

I am really enjoying the 2 CD Raw because I can play it in the house without my wife going nuts. The 75 release has long been a favorite. When all is done, and there is a look back on the whole of Dylan's career, a good case can be made that more accessible "timeless" classics emanate from the Basement Tapes than any album of Dylan's career, the exception may be Bringing It All Back Home if one adds Farewell Angelina and Mama You've Been on My Mind to Mr. Tambourine Man and Maggie's Farm, etc. Great year to be a Band Fan with Isle of Wight and Live at the Academy.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 21:29:57 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In 1963, Eric Clapton and Tom McGuiness were the two guitarists in The Roosters.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 20:12:44 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl(BEG)

Haven't seen you around these parts in awhile.You out there? You ok?


Entered at Wed Nov 5 19:48:23 CET 2014 from (67.84.79.39)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Bill. If Norm expressed himself as he wished, and if if i interpreted his post correctly ( two big ifs) there was or were separate sessions that Henry Glover recorded and some tracks now ended up on the Basement Tapes release. ALso, LEvon owned 50% of the sound recording of that Glover session and other parties owned the rest. It would also imply that very possibly, the only reason these tracks were able to be released is that Levon no longer is alive and able to veto it (likely with fair reason). This ties in to another thought- there could be similar reasons that there was no official and merch website before. Which i would entirely understand too.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 19:47:05 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

Jon D

Subject: Pat Organ

Honestly that's something I would never have thought of Pat. Guess Garth would know for sure. Because it said Alternate take, I just figured the organ was recorded low.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 18:24:08 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

John D, I would guess that Garth overdubbed the organ on the 75 version. Probably won't be on the new one.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 17:44:12 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.151)

Posted by:

Bill M

Wasn't Tom McGuiness in one of Clapton's pre-Yarbird bands? Maybe Casey and the somethings?

Norman C: You mean Henry Glover had a hand in some of the BT songs on the new box-set?


Entered at Wed Nov 5 16:25:56 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Manfred and "If You Gotta Go"

Thanks, Peter.

Dylan's publicist in 1965 was Ken Pitt, who later managed David Bowie. I had some contact with Ken a few years back and had a look through the press cuttings on Dylan that he'd got from the cuttings agency that year.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 16:20:33 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Complete Basement Tapes RAW

I now have a copy of the RAW 2 CD version. Will eventually buy the whole thing.

Just a quick note. Cut 2 Side 2 is Lo & Behold Alt. version. Garth's organ is buried. Almost not there. Too used to the 75 version where organ is more dominant. Hopefully the other version is available on 6 CD set.

From time to time the discussion of the Hawks Box Set comes up. I usually post that I know Jan Hausts partner and he says it will come out eventually. With that said, I was very happy to see Garth pay homage in BOLD to Duff Roman; in the liner notes. He's the man I refer to. He did recordings with Levon & The Hawks in the early days. Great recognition to a legend in both the recording and radio industries. A name very familiar to Bill M.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 15:01:19 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Or else you gotta stay all night …

Ian, Tom McGuinesss said:

Manfred and I were watching Bob Dylan on TV. It was just him and his acoustic guitar, on the BBC. He sang that, and it wasn’t on any album. Manfred and I looked at each other and thought this was something we could do. Our manager was Dylan’s publicist, so within a few days we had this acetate of him singing it. A week or two later we recorded it. And if it wasn’t for Tears by Ken Dodd, it would have been number one!


Entered at Wed Nov 5 14:40:29 CET 2014 from (82.25.178.222)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Manfred's "If You Gotta Go"

Peter is right in saying that the Manfreds (or one of them at least) heard "If You Gotta Go" on Dylan's 1965 BBC-TV appearances and wanted to record the song. The story I heard is that they approached Dylan's UK music publisher who had got an audio-recording of the BBC programme and gave them a dub of the song. The next bit of the tale is that their dub ended up with a vicar, who later passed on a copy to a Dylan collector, such that, for a while, "If You Gotta Go" was in better quality than the other recordings.

The BBC almost certainly made an audio of the TV broadcast and it was a copy of this that most likely went to Dylan's music publishers. That better quality recording has not circulated, although an audio recording made through a Redefussion broadcast has circulated. Redefussion offered an early form of cable in some limited areas of the UK at the time and someone made an audio recording of this.

The other thing to mention is that Dylan attempted a recording session with members of John Mayall's band (including Clapton!) in London in mid-May 1965. It was not successful but "If You Gotta Go" was attempted and among those who attended the session was Paul Jones of the Manfreds, so I suspect they knew about the song before they saw Dylan perform it on TV.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 13:54:26 CET 2014 from (67.189.178.48)

Posted by:

Norman Clancy

Subject: What if??

What if.. some of the songs on the Basement Tapes are from sessions from the Henry Glover Sessions? What if Levon was the one who knew where the Henry Glover tapes were and let Other People know how to retrieve them? What if Levon owned a 50% interest in those tapes? What if Levon was given a list of tracks that were on those tapes and who played on them? What if Levon was offered a ridiculously small amount of money to sign away his interest in the tapes? What if Levon said no to the to the money.I am sure if this really happened he said many other things but I will leave it at that. What if other people besides Levon spoke to someone with an interest in the Henry Glover Sessions and the calls were recorded and the tapes are in a file up at The Barn? I guess life is full of "what if's". Here is a question that I will put out there for comments. What if the above "what if's" are true. Nahhhhhhh. Maybe some day we will find out. Perhaps Sebastian can shed some light on this topic. There are a few more what if's but gotta catch a train.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 10:36:10 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dylan & Manfred

I don’t believe the Dylan statements that none of the songs were meant to be serious efforts. The acetate demos are all close together in the middle. Having just finished writing the Manfred Mann Toppermost, I reckon a pivotal moment was when the unreleased “If You Gotta Go” reached UK #2 in the Manfred Mann version in the autumn of 1965. They had seen him do it on a live TV broadcast and picked up on it … his UK publicist was their manager. Apparently Dylan was impressed, as he had been with their With God On Our Side. That was on an EP that got into the singles Top Ten. But Manfred Mann were doing it with stuff he’d never issued with If You Gotta Go. Then in August 1966, Manfred Mann took Just Like A Woman Top Ten. I reckon he thought, hey, I can get away from the hassle, enjoy my family and become Goffin & King. Write the songs for other people to make into records. And the acetate did that extremely well.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 09:56:20 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, with the price guarantee (price on dispatch) that's what a lot would pay anyway.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 09:31:04 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Simon, just checked. The complete BTs are back down to £100 this morning and they are not showing a shortage, so it looks like a one day blip, a classic Record Store Day price rise on Day Two, then back to normal. Even the download has dropped £1.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 09:09:47 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Simon, I just got a 0.65p amazon "price guarantee" refund on my pre-ordered complete set. The huge price is partly down to the very elaborate (and wonderful) packaging. I know full well the cost difference between the physical creation of CDs and elaborate card boxes with all sorts of hinges and openings. I'd think you'd need to cost in £30 to get any kind of return on the packaging. I assume they paid Elliot Landy a royalty for all the photos too.

Of course the issue is that you're buying the packaging, as with Another Self Portrait, whether you want it or not. The packaging here is more desirable than the parade of foreign 45 sleeves last time. They might say that they're offering a full download for £36 which is quite a bit below the normal new release 6 CD download price, so if you don't want the packaging, you can actually get it for a lot less … and put it on your own CDs for listening conventionally. £6 a CD.

Normally I'd say you're then suffering MP3 quality instead of the full thing, but in spite of the spectacular clean up, you're not looking at a full symphony orchestra or a state of the art recording. They've squeezed a great deal more out of it than you've heard before, but you're still talking about a quarter inch tape master, sometimes at 3.75 IPS, so the MP3 drop won't compromise as badly as it often does … those who streamed One To Many Mornings were knocked out by the quality, and on a computer system,which implies the download is a bargain.

I'm thrilled I got the artifact, but the music is also accessible at a fair price.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 05:32:57 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Sorry, I see no "valid points" in that article.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 04:17:01 CET 2014 from (81.154.66.73)

Posted by:

Simon

Peter - thanks, I hope you're right. I was cheesed off but I'll just assume that this isn't a limited run - there are a few rumours floating around but I don't recall seeing anything to that effect in the last few months. I was also thinking of the recent Led Zep reissues ... Jimmy Page is often portrayed as a tight-fisted martinet yet the single disc versions are £11 and the deluxe ones cost £13. Two quid extra for all the bonus material. A very fair deal.

I've just become sceptical about the whole 'super deluxe box' thing. Even The Band "Live at the Academy of Music 1971". I haven't bought it yet and I'm considering just getting the 2CD set for the Bob Clearmountain mixes. I honestly never thought I'd say this but there's a whiff of something indecent about that five disc set, and that's no disrespect to Sebastian and Robbie. To me it's overpriced for what it is. Maybe I'm getting older and my priorities have changed.

A question for everybody on the Guestbook: how essential do you consider the soundboard mixes on Discs 3 and 4? Am I missing out on much by only getting the 2CD set? (I'm not interested in the fifth disc)


Entered at Wed Nov 5 04:12:24 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: No Depression

Jed, No Depression isn't a publication any more. Now it's a website. I'm not a hugely knowledgeable computer person, so I don't know if that means anyone can publish anything, whether there are any editors to review subject matter and offer advice, or what.

I'm very glad that Bob W's comment has survived deletion so far. Well, it should. It was very fair and quite mild, considering. I hope Luke Bowden takes it to heart, and does a little research before he "rushes into print", next time.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 03:28:53 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Bob W.

Thanks for your comments.This was first time I saw the article.Very offensive comment in so many ways.I was shocked No Depression would permit their publication to print this comment.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 02:40:39 CET 2014 from (76.69.46.244)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: and again....

Bob W: Way to go! An apology from the writer is in order. (Kevin; thanks for pointing it out. It does my heart good.)


Entered at Wed Nov 5 01:40:30 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Thanks to PSB for a great piece. Jan has a full link under What's New.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 01:28:37 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Simon, I suspect this is a temporary shortage indicating that amazon have virtually sold them all - my local HMV had sold out by 10 on Monday. Judging by past Dylan items that sold out fast, they'll press more and the price will return to normal. For example the Record Store Day 45 of Wigwam flew off the shelves and it was unobtainable by 9.30 am, but now every vinyl store seems to have a couple.

BTW, I guess the 3 LP set is just the 2 CD set. I assume that cleaning up the tapes meant enough digital work on the signal to make analogue purism over the vinyl version unnecessary.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 00:44:45 CET 2014 from (81.154.66.73)

Posted by:

Simon

Subject: Basement Tapes Complete - Rip Off Pricing

Amazon UK has raised the price from £99 to £157 within a matter of hours. Spin CDs has it for £199.

Dylan has traditionally been touted as a folk artist, right? 'Folk' means people, as I understand it. I'm completely gutted and disillusioned at this point. How the fuck am I supposed to afford this? At best that equates to £26 per disc. This is some shameful exploitative shit.


Entered at Wed Nov 5 00:44:18 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Then again....

.......if Jan Faust is actually Jan Hoiberg then bob w might be ray pence then this whole Basement Tapes thing might not have ever happened! "Down in the Groove" for Volume 11 shouted the curators!


Entered at Wed Nov 5 00:34:24 CET 2014 from (70.53.44.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

For those keeping score, just checked the No Depression article that our Jan H linked and nice to see that our pal bob w has written in to object to the disparaging description of RR as well…..so far , that comment is still up.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 22:32:45 CET 2014 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Jan, nice job on the BTs. Now get back to work!

;)


Entered at Tue Nov 4 22:17:00 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Good for you, Ray! That slur was especially beyond the pale, I thought, and he needed to be taken to task for it. Too bad they took down your comment - should have left it up in the interest of fair play.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 22:06:11 CET 2014 from (129.237.250.161)

Posted by:

ray pence

Thank you very much, JT! And thank you Peter Stone Brown! Beautiful statement. No wonder, coming from someone who's worked with Alejandro Escovedo!


Entered at Tue Nov 4 22:04:08 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Censorship (if we don't like it, we'll erase it - swill is a 5 letter word)

Ray: well done! Someone needs to respond to stereotype comments which are negative. Someone needs to deal with 'rehash' when it has no relevance.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 21:57:01 CET 2014 from (129.237.250.161)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: lawrence kansas, the heartland of flyover country

Subject: no depression, no dissent

Lisa and Band guestbookers: yep, the administrator deleted my comment. I didn't use any foul language but i did call the "review" swill. Mostly what I said was that the writer rehashed a bunch of irrelevant disputes that have been done to death and put a false title on his post. I also took him to task for his crack about Robbie R being a "Mohawk Jew" who "scalped" people like John Simon.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 21:45:34 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Just found out I am the Jan H. working with Garth to get the BT Complete out there. Thanks, No Depression writer person. They got the last name wrong, though.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 21:12:56 CET 2014 from (72.78.37.180)

Posted by:

PSB

Thanks for your points Bill.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 20:01:51 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Thanks for the link to PSB's fine article. A couple of specific comments have I.

PSB: 1) I hope you meant the Hawks still didn't know Dylan all that well, not that they didn't know each other after all those years together. 2) Maybe "I'm t-boned and punctured" is from the PoV of a car, which can be a bomb and - if the owner / driver is lucky - calm. 3) I agree that Dylan was likely drawing on Ian and Sylvia's "Royal Canal". Even if all versions sounded the same, it's worth noting that "Royal Canal" is on the same Ian and Sylvia album as "Four Strong Winds" and "Spanish Is A Loving Tongue" - meaning that Bob would've had to pull out just one LP when introducing the songs to our guys. Also, if you haven't read John Einarson's "Four Strong Winds: Ian and Sylvia", you might - even if only for Suze Rotolo's reflections on Bob's admiration for Ian. 4) Jan Haust is a first-rate archivist, but he would never claim to be an engineer. The engineer on this project, for which he deserves great credit, was Peter Moore.



Entered at Tue Nov 4 19:54:48 CET 2014 from (129.42.208.182)

Posted by:

Bob F

Location: HV

Subject: PSB Review/Article

PSB great job! Your really showing off this week. Please keep them coming.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 19:30:11 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: yes, Depression

I had the same experience with the 'No Depression' article, being unable to find the relevant comment.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 19:22:54 CET 2014 from (173.251.40.130)

Posted by:

Tim Tam

Subject: BT Complete

I'm curious about the production credits on the new release. Could someone who already has a copy please enlighten us? Thanks.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 19:21:58 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: No Depression

Ray, I followed the link you suggested, but there was only one comment listed and that had been taken down. Was that yours?

Wish I'd seen it, because that "review" shouldn't go unchallenged. People who know, know better, but those who aren't as familiar with The Band will read it and take it at face value.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 18:32:38 CET 2014 from (68.70.61.190)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: BT

I want the Band basement tracks now. I hope RR and Garth are working on this. Sebastian - can you give some insight on this?


Entered at Tue Nov 4 18:06:41 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: BTs from a musician who can write

Do yourself a favour: Read Peter Stone Brown - Counterpunch - for what the BTs are really all about

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/04/dylan-still-down-in-the-basement-but-finally-out-of-the-vault/


Entered at Tue Nov 4 17:35:39 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: metaphors

...with a superb 'ERA'.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 17:03:44 CET 2014 from (67.84.79.218)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

The opener, and the closer. You nailed it Ray.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 17:01:46 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: One Too Many Mornings/Neil

Finally listened to that cut-just incredible to hear this and eagerly looking forward to hearing the complete Basement Tapes.Will order as as soon as I figure out how to use my amazon gift card!Also,Peter mentioned the Neil Young album.Many critics seem to enjoy the acoustic version better so I was pleased to see Peter's comments.I believe the album should arrive today.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 16:23:51 CET 2014 from (24.124.82.172)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: RICHARD

not long after hearing the "new" One Too Many Mornings, i read the article on Richard in the Library on this site, the one published in 1996, and became sad.

But then, I thought, the hell with that. There is too much emphasis on Richard's "decline" of the mid- to late-1970s.

Hobo Jungle, Rags And Bones, Right as Rain, Let the Night Fall, Georgia on My Mind, The Well, The Last Waltz Suite--these are all gorgeous performances and big favorites of mine.

The Band went to Richard to open and close so many of their albums. That is important.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 16:08:54 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Here At The Western World

It was "Here At The Western World" (Steely Dan) - a sign of forgetting exact titles - not good! (at least I recognized that what I wrote was incorrect after the fact).


Entered at Tue Nov 4 16:07:01 CET 2014 from (24.124.82.172)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: basement tapes

good morning, band of the band's sisters and brothers!

can never have too many mornings with Richard, Rick, Robbie, Levon, Garth, and Bob!!

also--I posted a reply to that "review" of the Basement tapes on Luke's blog. if you go to the No Depression page and follow the link to the original blog post, you can read my reply.

Thank you Jan, Peter, everyone!!


Entered at Tue Nov 4 16:05:00 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Music evokes memories

Peter: We all 'stumbled'. Lisa: Music and memories; there are books (I can't remember which ones/sorry) that discuss how music evokes in a way that dredging memories by choice does not. I agree with you. It is amazing to me how a song will bring back a sensitivity so clearly and how that feeling will be reproduced almost like it was that time. For me, 'Searchin' (Coasters) does it. Jackson's Point - jukebox - age 11 or 12- near Lake Simcoe. For me, 'Like A Rolling Stone" (an angry young man as a teen wanting human correction to occur). For me, "Sultans of Swing" - could there be anything that sounded better than that in 1977/78. For me "Living in the Western World" - driving my son to school in Florida where I was doing a fellowship - it still evokes that closeness to him and the warmth of Miami's mornings; For me, songs from early Pearl Jam (trying to play guitar with my sons as we muddled through (or at least I muddled, they were talented) some of those early grunge rhythms. Amazing!


Entered at Tue Nov 4 14:12:02 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Richard Manuel

For me, RM status in the OQ was like GH (Beatles)... unrecognized genius in his vocal ability, overshadowed by the talents of the others (at least by those who wrote in the papers and magazines) and quietly unassuming. The talent is as the kids say (I hate this but it applies here)... awesome!


Entered at Tue Nov 4 14:09:30 CET 2014 from (174.118.11.165)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Splendid simplicity

The 'covers' for these new songs (studio, live) are coming from younger musicians, who will recognize the beauty/splendid simplicity of these newly emerged songs.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 12:00:22 CET 2014 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: One Too Many

Was always a great song - with Richard singing along side Bob brings it to a whole new level. I can see now - the new crop new artists out there covering this one in concert the way they cover The Weight.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 09:29:50 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter

Subject: watching the waves go by …

I remember Youth Club days when "Stranger On The Shore" always took over the last dance position - I was about to say last waltz, but rather last stumble around vaguely in time to the music but actually touching after an hour of twisting or whatever. It's an instant wave of nostalgia for me too. I also know the words, though the Acker Bilk instrumental is way better than the various vocal versions … Andy Williams, The Drifters, I think.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 04:31:22 CET 2014 from (129.237.92.200)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/lawrence kansas

Subject: basement tapes/yes, depression

Hi everyone, it is nice to be visiting the Band site guestbook again, especially on the occasion of an important cultural event--Band and Bob Dylan music in the spotlight. Can't ever be enough of that, that is what I feel and believe.

Very, very nice to hear the version of One too many mornings on the official disc. Made me miss Richard all over again, even more. Such beauty and soul.

As to the "New Depression" article--was that supposed to be a review or what? Once again, some clown has to hit us with a bunch of news flashes--the most urgent being that cocaine use coincided with the production of the Last Waltz--gee, how relevant to the Basement Tapes, yes.

I'll move on to the Daily News article, it must be better, it doesn't get much worse than that "No Depression" swill.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 01:31:46 CET 2014 from (24.76.162.55)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: a much better BT review

Check Jim Farber, NY Daily News.


Entered at Tue Nov 4 00:17:01 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Stranger on the Shore

Joan, that song brings back floods of memories for me, too, of being a moony 12-year-old, longing for romance.

Isn't it amazing how hearing a song from long ago can immediately recreate a total sensory memory? The power of music ...


Entered at Mon Nov 3 20:23:38 CET 2014 from (74.108.29.164)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Acker Bilk

The link to Acker Bilk had a link to to summer place. So songs brought back my teenage years in summer camp they were on the jukebox in the rec Hall. I remember close dancing to them. We kind of lined up girls on one side and blaze on the other side of the room. Every once in a while someone would dare to go out and dance the doors opened and we all started dancing close.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 20:16:51 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

And here's Lenny in '70, brilliant but farther back in the mix, backing the magnificent double-voiced Beverly Glenn-Copeland.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 20:10:24 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

Subject: Lenny Breau, slumming in '61

This is likely Lenny Breau's first rock recording, from 1961 when he was still based in Winnipeg. Soon after, Lenny left Ray St Germain (his brother-in-law) to try his luck in Toronto. As we now know, his first visit here was to Ronnie Hawkins, which led to a recording session with Rick and Levon.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 19:25:56 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Yes, but would "No Depression" accept him as a journalist?


Entered at Mon Nov 3 18:53:17 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I got the 6 CD set - couldn't work out what you got with the three LPs box, thought it might be just the double CD set. I think the 6 is the fun one.

On another thing, I got Storytone by Neil Young earlier in the morning and had time to listen to it before BTs arrived with the post - reviewers like the "acoustic set" but I thought the full orchestral CD vastly better. The thing is the lyrics on "Who's Gonna Stand Up?" are freshman if you're being kind, or banal if you're not. The orchestral backing is so superb he gets away with it, but strip it down to solo and it's "Ouch!"


Entered at Mon Nov 3 18:31:20 CET 2014 from (108.30.208.110)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Peter-Basement Tapes

Peter,did you buy cd or record? Hope you plan to share your experience listening/first impressions.Enjoy!


Entered at Mon Nov 3 18:03:02 CET 2014 from (131.137.35.74)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: everything's connected

The Fleetwoods: "(He's) The Great Imposter" 1961.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 17:29:28 CET 2014 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Acker Bilk

Don't exactly recall why, but I always connect him to Nina Mouskouri - the glasses maybe?


Entered at Mon Nov 3 17:24:34 CET 2014 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V / Rod: I don't recall having heard 'wacker' or 'wacking' used when I was in NZ in '81. Everything's connected, however, and the weekend paper had an article that mentioned that NZ now has only half as many sheep as in '82.

I didn't see much in the 'Observer' article, aside from confirmation that girls were at times allowed in Big Pink.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 17:21:58 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Unknown gems

It's going to take a LONG to absorb the BTs. On disc 1, The Fleetwood's "Mr Blue" from 1959 points forward to some of his recent choices. Love it!


Entered at Mon Nov 3 16:39:55 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Basement Tapes

Really looking forward to the Basement Tapes. Glad it looks good, Peter. Will be Xmas gift and I will buy it at FOPP or local shop.

Am completist, of sorts John D. Really enjoy the Bootleg series. Think 'Another Self Portrait' is brilliant.

Last month I played every Beatles album.

This month am on a Dylan odyssey (punctuated by teenage grandson's football and babysitting).

Have played this month 'Bob Dylan', 'The Freewheelin Bob Dylan', 'The Times They Are A Changing', 'Another Side of Bob Dylan', 'The Wittmark Demos' and 'Another Self Portrait'. Long way to go.

I sit and listen carefully. Really appreciate songs that I had not appreciated so much in the past. For example, 'To Ramona'.

Away to babysit for a couple of hours now!


Entered at Mon Nov 3 16:32:00 CET 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Acker Bilk

That link takes me back, way, way back. Slow-dancing with Beverly C as she tried to teach me to dance. A lot of hormones at play here. Not fully comprehending the name Acker, some friends and I called him Billy Acker.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 15:36:25 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Acker Bilk RIP

RIP Acker Bilk, the first British artist to top the US and UK charts simultaneously. Link to "Stranger on The Shore."


Entered at Mon Nov 3 15:17:20 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: BTs Complete

Arrived half an hour ago.Packaging and picture are superb …


Entered at Mon Nov 3 15:06:30 CET 2014 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Defending the Liverpool Way 2014

Al: your boys are really bad at the back. My grandmother who had one leg a few cms shorter than the other could do a better job of defending. Were she still alive that is. : )


Entered at Mon Nov 3 15:03:46 CET 2014 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Ontario's hillbillies

Peter V: They're mostly found in and around this small hick town called Toronto. I don't know if you've heard of the place? Doubt it's even on any map of Ontario. ; )


Entered at Mon Nov 3 14:24:11 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dunc

Thanks for that interesting article Dunc. I've heard that was Dylan's take on the Basement Tapes for some time. Let's face it. This was a group of musicians fooling and tooling around songs. They were in a way demos not meant to be heard. However after 50 years of mystery and rumors. It's hard to turn down.

I am a completist. I will buy this box set. As I mentioned before this is "The Holy Grail."


Entered at Mon Nov 3 14:21:42 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Interesting link, Dunc. So the Band (minus Levon) were "wild hillbillies". You get a lot of hillbillies in Ontario, do you?


Entered at Mon Nov 3 14:07:23 CET 2014 from (86.149.109.67)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Basement Tapes

Interesting to see the Basement Tapes making the news pages of the Observer yesterday. Interesting comments through the eyes of Sally Grossman


Entered at Mon Nov 3 08:40:21 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Would the NZ meaning be connected to "wacking off"? I guess this is a "minced use" such as "frigging" or "fecking". e.g. sounds very like a rude word.


Entered at Mon Nov 3 07:43:11 CET 2014 from (219.89.244.239)

Posted by:

Rod

Does the Wackers have any alternative meaning outside of NZ?


Entered at Sun Nov 2 17:53:34 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

And, as an adjunct to John D's link, Ms. Osbourne in a glorious moment.

I did spend time in Nashville writing with Rand(y) Bishop. Tremendously talented and a good guy.


Entered at Sun Nov 2 15:17:36 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Trigger Hippy

Track is called Rise Up Singing. Enjoying the new band Trigger Hippy. Joan Osborne vocals, Jackie Greene on vocals and B3 and Steve Gorman of The Black Crowes are 3 of its members. There is a track on the album called Adelaide. It has been reviewed as Band-esque. Check 'em out. Great B3.


Entered at Sun Nov 2 12:20:52 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, on the other hand, I open the paper to see Southampton at #2 in the Premier, and Bournemouth at #2 in the Championship. I suspect that's the best what used to be "Hampshire" until 1970 has done in years, if ever. I'm excluding Portsmouth from Hampshire as I never liked them. I reckon I'll cut out today's league tables. I can't see us sustaining it!


Entered at Sun Nov 2 10:43:16 CET 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The 'payback'

Kev/Pete

Shanks said football is more important than life or death.

Never has that sentiment - in its sporting sense of course - rung more pertinently nor resonated more depressingly than it has whilst witnessing and experiencing first hand this season's lethargic grind in contrast to last season's exhilarating joy.

To say I'm really suffering doesn't come near to capturing my current gloom.

As for the Wackers pete. I don't recall it but Alison Steadman as you say is always worth a look.

The term wacker meaning Liverpudlian had only a brief shelf life as I recall around the time The beatles were emerging. It stemmed from a curious combination of your own name 'Peter' and pea soup.

Pea soup was known as peawack soup and anyone named peter was thus called peawack which then became 'wacker' - actually this is getting more boring than our team at the moment but I may as well finish - I had two cousins named Peter both of whom were know as 'Wacker'. I haven't the foggiest idea how it was then extended to cover anyone from the city.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Nov 2 10:02:02 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Wackers

This was also the title of a 70s (?) British sitcom set in Liverpool, with stuff about Everton v Liverpool rivalry. I have no memory of it whatsoever, good or bad, but looked it up and the great Alison Steadman was in it, so as amazon have it for £5, curiosity tempts me to take a look.


Entered at Sun Nov 2 04:58:02 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.155)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: About a year ago I saw Segarini get up to sing (extremely well) "Chains" with the Fraser-Daley duo at their weekly Wednesday gig at the Intersteer on Roncies. I took it that he was a semi-regular. Our friend Pat B once posted that he'd recently done some writing with Randy Bishop. Pacemaker released several of Segarini's post-Dudes projects on CD a few years ago.

PSB: Is that your pal Van peddling bean sprouts?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 22:36:24 CET 2014 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Wackers / Bob Segarini / Kevin J

Kevin. I see Bob on a regular basis.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 20:32:32 CET 2014 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

testing...


Entered at Sat Nov 1 17:02:08 CET 2014 from (24.114.69.209)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: The Whackers article that Landmark referred to. Readers of The Gazette are fortunate to still have Bernard Perusse around.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 16:17:37 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, is this Situs Judi a good buy? Do Liverpool really need another striker? Wouldn't it be better to foster more homegrown talent?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 14:50:00 CET 2014 from (24.114.69.209)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Sounds life a Faces song but we did know it wasn't you Al.....actually...

.....Situs Judi was just worried about being labelled "overly generous".......so all of that was just code for "I really miss Luis Suárez and rest easy knowing that Mishra the Spellcaster is hard at work to bring the little chomper back"

Landmark......great to see your name here. Enjoy the day.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 13:24:48 CET 2014 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Situs Judi Poker Online Terbaik

Just like to point out that the post from Situs Judi Poker Online Terbaik isn't me.

It may well resemble my stuff but it ain't me. Honest ter god.

:-0)


Entered at Sat Nov 1 12:48:10 CET 2014 from (70.80.237.104)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Subject: The Wackers

As posters may know, it's Breeders Cup day. A holiday of certain importance here at Stately Landmark Manor.

As posters of a certain vintage and of a certain geographical locale remember, a power pop group known as The Wackers. Happy to say that the Montreal Gazette has published a great article on them, their impact on the local scene, and of the local scene on them.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 10:44:56 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pack off!

Do you get the feeling that the sub-continent is just about to be blocked?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 09:24:22 CET 2014 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

First e-mail this morning. "Your order for the basement tapes has been dispatched" delivery expected Monday. Hope that's true - a CD I ordered first class last week arrived three days after the "expected date" - the British postal service really is crap.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 07:53:58 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: BT

'New Life for the Basement Tapes: A Modern American Epic' - A somewhat better read from the same site. (Oct. 30, 2014)


Entered at Sat Nov 1 07:25:42 CET 2014 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Carelessness - the true meaning of the word

It is a very sad article with errors in so many areas- misrepresentations of people, poor choices of words, grammatical errors, dredging - so much more. It is important to identify literary poverty and call it out for what it is. No care in the written word is sheer careLESSness. (literary 'horror' - appropriate for Halloween). When will they ever learn?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 06:42:12 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Bill, I should take a page from your book, and chill a bit. I wasn't even going to mention the misinterpretation of background information, the grammatical errors, misplaced punctuation, etc. etc. I think you're being generous giving a Grade 7 rating.

When I looked up "No Depression" I found that it was a well-respected magazine that had ceased publication in 2008 and was now a website, with all that implies.

I think we are living in a unique time in history, where people have the ability to voice opinion, give vent, opine, interpret events according to their own viewpoints, and everything is more or less served up on the same platter. Things get repeated until they are taken as fact, when in reality often it's a matter of someone reading something, twisting it to serve their own viewpoints, and then regurgitating it as fact.

Politicians are adept at this tactic - repeat an untruth, inuendo, outright lie often enough, and it becomes accepted as truth. I suppose this is the face of history, and who knows what really happened?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 06:11:58 CET 2014 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

As usual, Bill M is overly generous.

Thanks to PSB for the real deal.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 05:37:15 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.158)

Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: You're right, and there are a number of other lapses. Still, it's pretty damn good for a grade 7 history project.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 05:03:03 CET 2014 from (174.1.247.160)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Luke Bowden

Joe J. - no, I don't think you misread the Jan allusion.

But am I being overly sensitive thinking that there is a doubly offensive racial slur in that review?


Entered at Sat Nov 1 03:43:43 CET 2014 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Cabbagetown/Saltspring Island

Subject: PSB

Great post! Let's have some more.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 01:39:59 CET 2014 from (65.93.118.203)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: PSB

Thanks for posting. Great yarn.


Entered at Sat Nov 1 01:28:16 CET 2014 from (68.171.246.155)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Halloween - night of the undead

Stan L: A nice surprise! Welcome back, or have you been lurking all century?


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