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Entered at Tue Aug 4 06:25:34 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

PAT BRENNAN'S HAPPY HEALTHY BIRTHDAY TODAY!!!

Adorable

Talented Musician, Writer, Historian, Debater, Father

Bodacious!!!

And when the house is empty
And the lights begin to fade
And there's nothin' to protect you
Except the window shade
And it's hard to put your finger
On the thing that scares you most
And you can't tell the difference
Between an angel and a ghost

Old friends
They shine like diamonds
Old friends
You can always call
Old friends
Lord, you can't buy 'em
You know it's old friends after all

Steve Earle & The Dukes - "Old Friends"
Featuring Rodney Crowell, Emmylou Harris, Jerry Jeff Walker, Terry Allen, Jo Harvey Allen
Songwriters: Guy Clark / Susanna Wallis Clark / Richard J Dobson

Sending love and positive vibes back to you on your special day!
:-D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:56:45 CEST 2020 from (2600:1702:4580:5e80:b0ad:32d2:7ab7:57b9)

Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, I love you, but it's tomorrow.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: My eternal drive to downsize . . . (to be cont’d)

Hi, Dunc. I must try to get back to Scotland someday, although tempus is fugiting fast. My question to you: Might your grandson(s) be interested in a never-worn, preshrunk cotton T-shirt (made in Nicaragua): size large, color (or colour, if you prefer) black, bearing a white “hawk” insignia and white lettering and the words LEVON & THE HAWKS. It’s still in its original wrapper. I meant to wear it but age has interceded. If you like, reach me at dewittcarter at gmail dot com. I’d be happy to ship it, gratis of course.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 17:37:28 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Come Writers and Critics

The Bob Dylan Paper Site
TLW

Basketball soon. Hope everyone is staying healthy and strong. And enjoy your day off....if you have day off.

"August 3 In 2020 Civic Holiday is on Monday, August 3. The Civic Holiday is celebrated on the first Monday of August and it's a public holiday in some provinces and territories. The civic holiday is not a statutory holiday although it's a day off for many employees across the country."


Entered at Mon Aug 3 16:49:27 CEST 2020 from 178.80-203-82.nextgentel.com (80.203.82.178)

Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: King Harvest (Chicago 1983)

Richard Manuel on form.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 16:47:19 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Good Morning Kevin. The only reason I said that basketball is my favourite sport is because I was such a die-hard hockey fan up until the Gilmour years. I would watch hockey every Wednesday and Saturday night I was such a fan. Even as a teenager when our TV needed to be replaced....I was the one who bought another TV via my part-time jobs as it didn't look like anyone else could afford another one at the time. It was hockey that brought my mother and grandfather and I together in front of the TV. My brother was older and left home at 15 to live with another relative.......Last straw for my mother......I don't think her heart could take much after that.....And grandma was in her own world so just smiled. I always remember that beautiful sweet smile. So.....I finally let hockey sliiiiide. Then when Shanahan came on board.....He had the skill set and was not intimidated by anyone and came from Mimico.....Yeah, he was one of my faves for sure. I always watched him closely, very closely......;-D He finally made it to TO but not as a player but....Little by little I started to get back into hockey.

As for wanting more colour in hockey; I was thinking more about the Canadian and American players in general.......The children of colour in USA and Canada but now I realize hockey is considered or was a working class sport (boxing as you only need your fists and gloves and at the other end Polo as you need a horse) when fighting was a daily occurrence but.....hockey is not a working class sport...It is very expensive and time consuming for families. You were very fortunate and you have photos and videos......Wow Kevin!

Anyway, there are predominately players of colour on other sports. My mother once commented on why there weren't many black players playing hockey.....Oh it's because their calves are too small! Ok mom.....You can see that my own strong opinions and love of sports, especially basketball and hockey probably come from her.....and a love for films. She would have loved to watch westerns with you Kevin....Uhhhh......She may talk throughout.....whereas I differ as I do not talk when I'm watching sports, films or listening to music at Concerts or at home.... :-D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 16:08:44 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Good Morning Jed. You are the only American Band Fan who can applauds the Raps....maybe only Canadian Band fan here as well. Well you post about the Raps knowing.....A different perspective on sports....basketball.

I've been watching basketball since I witnessed Kareem Abdul Jabar and Tiny Archibald and It's Miller Time...Reggie Miller. I really do miss Kawhi....He was our only superstar in a very long time. The only other one was Vince Carter. Right now I'm actually rooting for our underdogs like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson who also meditates....and that smile....He just lights up the whole Court and reminds us that everything's going to be ok in this world afterall. I know my projections but that's how I feel when anyone smiles at me....especially strangers on the street or in stores or anywhere. The other day I was having a chiro adjustment and I was told that they could see my smile even though I was wearing a mask via of my eyes.

Terence Davis....so humble....He's fearless out on the court. And of course anyone who talks about their grandparents...I'm drawn to them hands down. He knows this is his one chance and a joy to watch like Rondae. Of course our Chris Boucher from Montreal....He just needs to bulk up as Spicey P did and then there are no limits.

Sure Kyle is the heart of the team...At his best at 6'1"....He's feisty, tenacious and has really improved his three point shot....I think the only dunk I saw was during one of the All-Star games and even Lebron had a huge smile on his face. I think the best thing that happened to him on the team was watching and playing with Kawhi. One lesson learned and hopefully will continue to be observed....The regular season is practice time......for the real event......the playoffs. For me sports......basketball my absolute favourite sport is not just what happens on the court. It's also about the players themselves. They are not robots. They are people who have trials and tribulations on and off the Court. Players like DeRozan and Mike Love's nephew Kevin Love.....who brought attention to depression. In the end helping others will always be more important than their skill sets because you will lose your skills as you will lose those beautiful sculpted arms....but you will never lose your character if you had it in the first place.... :-D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 15:42:36 CEST 2020 from (2604:2000:1200:907f:5868:2138:1fb5:8f32)

Posted by:

Jonathan Lyness

Location: NYC

Peter, great Band compilation. You've got me making a mental note to listen to Pepote Rouge... long time since I've heard it! For the record, the OQ did a punchy version of King Harvest live on Tour '74... and the 90s Band did a fun When I Paint My Masterpiece live at the '92 Dylan 30th Anniversary show.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover

I hadn't thought. Of course it's on YouTube … Rosemary Clooney on 50 Ways.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: American Tunes

I've been listening to the Paul Simon covers CD in the Ace Songwriters series: "American Tunes." Fascinating. The outstanding track REALLY surprised me … Rosemary Clooney doing '50 Ways To Leave Your Lover.' Another is "Long Long Day" by Rumer. After 3 or 4 listens I wonder whether Peaches & Herbs breakneck Sounds of Silence is misguided or brilliant.

I always loved Keep The Customer Satisfied by Marsha Hunt which I bought back in the day.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 14:54:40 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Passionate about The Band, Keyboards, History, Debating

Analytical

The BODACIOUS BIRTHDAY BOY PAT B!

:-D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 13:20:01 CEST 2020 from (2a00:23c8:b89:ac01:2a:31c:283d:c6f7)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Levon

You probably all know this but the Levon Helm band singing Ophelia at the Newport Folk festival in 2008 is sheer brilliance.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 12:44:39 CEST 2020 from (2a00:23c8:b89:ac01:2a:31c:283d:c6f7)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks Fred. I enjoyed my job, but paperwork kept building up. \Ophelia and It Makes No Difference are brilliant songs.I enjoyed Reina Del Cid’s acoustic version of Ophelia.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 12:21:52 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

Peter V: agree about kd Lang and IMND. OK. She's the only one allowed to cover it.

I know, I know...very magnanimous of me. : D


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It Makes No Difference

I don't know, Fred. When k.d. lang did 'Hymns of the 49th Parallel" I said that the missing writer was Robbie, ad the perfect song for her was It Makes No Difference. She could do it justice.

Rick and Levon must have liked NLSC to the extent that IMND and Ophelia were virtually permanent fixtures at 90s live shows. Back in 1976 The and were doing Forbidden Fruit well live.

You could compile a fabulous album of songs the Band didn't do live - or at least not after 1971 … Try this:

We Can Talk

Jemima Surrender

Rockin' Chair

Jawbone

King Harvest

Look Out Cleveland

Sleeping

Strawberry Wine

Daniel & The Sacred Harp

The Rumor

When I Paint My Masterpiece

Jupiter Hollow

Hobo Jungle

The Saga of Pepote Rouge

Being old-fashioned I chose fourteen tracks.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 09:49:44 CEST 2020 from (24.4.233.46)

Posted by:

RG

Username: Ray Guy, Facebook group: The Band, Date: 08.02.2020

«Hello Garth Friends..... Garth is out of the hospital. He is home and gaining weight. He and Maud are at their home in Woodstock, and we hope things are going to get better for them. Garth and Maud need help getting Social Security and Medicare. They did not know they qualified for SS Benefits, and never filed for their US benefits. If anyone can help, it will make their lives better.

Happy Birthday to Garth Hudson......

You can send him appreciation to his Facebook page or here on The Band Page.»


Entered at Mon Aug 3 08:26:48 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

It Makes No Difference should be one of those songs that is never allowed to be remade or covered by other artists.

Perhaps the powers that be in charge of Rock'n'Roll should decree it.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 08:21:56 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

Kevin: To answer you question: "Yes". So endeth the discussion. ;D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 07:31:45 CEST 2020 from (24.114.70.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Fred......I love ya, but are you really saying that Cahoots is superior to “Northern Lights - Southern Cross“ ? One of the reasons I can’t take Lucinda Williams is that she once so completely screwed up/messed over “It Makes No Difference” that it was actually painful to watch. I have had a hard time listening to her since.

BEG.....With 50% of NHL players coming from Canada and another 25% from Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Russia and Switzerland - finding more colour might be a bit of a challenge.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 06:52:47 CEST 2020 from (24.114.70.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: From Gord Miller....

“ It’s been several years since I have had to remind myself to put on my mask before getting out of the car and entering a bank”


Entered at Mon Aug 3 05:34:46 CEST 2020 from toroon0812w-lp130-03-65-92-193-37.dsl.bell.ca (65.92.193.37)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: Thanks John. Love the arrangement. If you'd said when you posted in that it was a cover of "Whispering Pines" I would have opened it in a flash. The prospect of hearing a mystery song for a rainy morning in Toronto, when I'm in rainy Toronto, isn't nearly as enticing.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG-Hoops

Toronto’s basketball team is looking incredibly strong early in the bubble season. They are still,despite losing Leonard,contenders. Siakim has risen to elite level and Lowery is a megastar.Along with the most innovative coach in the league. WOW!


Entered at Mon Aug 3 01:18:10 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Cahoots

Cahoots is a nice album, though not as good as the first three, but a much better effort than the rest.

Had The Moon Struck One and The River Hymn been left off (maybe Last of the Blacksmiths, too), it would have been a bit better.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 01:10:08 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

Jim McKenny!! I remember watching him play (on TV) for the Leafs and also having his hockey card (I remember having quite a few of his hockey cards. Seemed to me I got one in every other pack). Also when he was sports anchor on City TV.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 01:04:36 CEST 2020 from sannin29149.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.149)

Posted by:

Fred

Dunc: I can't complain....well...I should say that I try not to complain.

There are times when the red mist descends and invectives are hurled at whatever politician/commentator appears on the television; Or the computer (but that's related to the tele/remote working I've been doing).

For some reason work-related paperwork became significantly more complicated to fill out than in the pre-pandemic age.

Apparently the axiom "Simple is best" is unknown to the people in charge at work.

Regarding your grandson: that's quite the achievement.

Having had a couple of friends and other acquaintances in Italy (in the '70s & '80s) who went through club academies (not any of the big clubs) I know the challenges involved. Fingers crossed.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 00:34:12 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Oh brother....Yeah, I'm talking to all my brothers here.....I meant the Leafs will be playing tonight. The hockey season has already started. I was watching The Raps last night. Sometimes I just try too hard....lol

TLW Out-Takes
Fred Gardner
April 26, 2012

Raps tomorrow afternoon for those who like diversity in their sports....Don't ever forget a Canadian invented Basketball!!!! I've been watching basketball and hockey since I was eight years old. Some here were only two years old but in another year or two were already lacing up their skates.
:-D


Entered at Mon Aug 3 00:21:03 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I like mixed music like Shaggy meets Marvin Gaye and New Wave meets Hip Hop and....

Scrambled eggs mixed with bok choy, sundried tomatoes, Pandano cheese and oregano and Chia and Quinoa Pita Crackers.

Favourite drink to crack open...Premium Beer...Ever-Tree Premium Ginger Beer.

HOCKEY needs more COLOUR

RACISM is a VIRUS

A couple of hours before the Hockey season begins. I did not see many hockey games in TO. We're talking way back as the only photos I have are of Jim McKenny.

Last night even Lebron James was singing O Canada...


Entered at Mon Aug 3 00:02:28 CEST 2020 from (24.114.70.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Frozen Strawberries

Happy Birthday, Garth ! And if the lovely man is taking a peek in here, thank you for all of the beautiful music over the years.

Thank you to the Hockey Gods for Carey Price and if there are Gods having anything to do with The Band and this GB, please - really - pretty please ensure that that Australian Broadcasting Corporation article on the prodigy contained no subliminal references to anything even remotely resembling a snake.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

There is an interesting article on the ABC website (the Australia one, not the American one) about the Australian guitarist Nathan Cavaleri ("Nathan Cavaleri reveals how being a 'blues guitar prodigy' shaped his life and music career"). No Band connection but still a good read.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 21:31:48 CEST 2020 from toroon0240w-lp130-04-65-93-102-222.dsl.bell.ca (65.93.102.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey John D...I forgot to say as I told someone else....As soon as I read your post thunder erupted and Greay Boy was I shook up. He cannot tolerate any loud sounds. He seems to like when I'm playing various reggae artists so he's my boy for sure. As for the song you posted....really haunting and....especially during these surreal and challenging times......Thank you.

It's MARIA McKEE time with LONE JUSTICE
She even has her hair coloured blonde....I prefer when she has her bob cut in her natural colour....Nothing wrong with having a sexual vibe....Have you been to Brazil? I just don't want it to be the very first thing you think about. As women ....It's always the same.....but.....is she hot??? Shhhhhh......Take a look brother....If you didn't have that guitar strapped or that cool sports car....No one would notice you as well......Just sayin'.

Or....What did everyone have for breakfast/brundh/lunch? Your choice.....Huh? Huh?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Sorry, John

It wouldn’t open this side of The Pond.


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Posted by:

John D

Don't worry BEG. No one responded to the great version of Whispering Pines by Boz Scaggs and Lucinda Williams that I posted. I said Happy Birthday to Garth on Facebook.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I guess I'm the only one who cares about birthdays...even Band members. Take two...

Today it's GARTH HUDSON'S BIRTHDAY!

3 beers = 1 spliff...George Harrison


Entered at Sun Aug 2 19:53:54 CEST 2020 from (2604:2000:1105:836c:356c:bcb9:f180:acfd)

Posted by:

Jed

I posted a positive statement about the music. The snake attempted to twist it as he’s done to every post I’ve made over months. I responded these last few times as he has baited for a very long time.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 19:46:22 CEST 2020 from (2604:2000:1105:836c:356c:bcb9:f180:acfd)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Peter V

Responding is not baiting. And certainly not to you.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Jed, you're baiting. Let it go.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jon

Good one! Except the snake ain’t in the lake but right on these very pages spewing venom passively yet aggressively.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HEALTHY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO GARTH HUDSON!!!

You never know how strong you are
until being strong
is your only choice

Bob Marley


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

It's raining here in Toronto on a Sunday Morning. Thought this might be appropriate.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 15:05:31 CEST 2020 from (2604:2000:1200:907f:fc88:14d1:9b9d:8cce)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Jed, I think you've been listening to The Moon Struck One too much.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Snakes

Snakes diggen Santana III is perfect symmetry given the symbolism. Ah!


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Fred

Fred, I was actually thinking of you when I posted and was wondering if you would return. Thank you. I knew you would understand the significance of what he has achieved. Only five boys from our huge part of the Glasgow conurbation. But our feet are firmly on the ground. You know it can end at any time. But I was astonished because he is so young. You’ll have gleaned over the years, I spend so much time at kids/youths football. How are you doing Fred?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Ben. John Martyn fanatics and there are many would see London Conversation as a beginners’ album. Get into the classic tracks. I’ve actually got John Martyn Live at the Bottom Line.

Thanks, Norm. I missed that, but did get into Larkin Poe at the time...which maybe explains the miss.

Really enjoyed the film last night, Peter.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Green & white hoops

Dunc: congatulations and all the best to your grandson.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 00:58:41 CEST 2020 from (2604:2000:1105:836c:2106:412:e907:21c)

Posted by:

Jed

The snake lies low suggesting RR recalled good times. I’m sure that’s true particularly when ignoring the obvious joy these guys had,even in 76 when the music was running on all cylinders. All 5 guys!No need for the hisssss.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I wasn’t there. I may have been quoting Lee G. Or we were both in the same issue of Jawbone.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, I don't think your dislike for Cahoots is all that unreasonable. 'Disdain' seems a little harsh but not everybody has to like everything. The first two tracks were really good but the rest is less than memorable. When Santana III came out I just couldn't get into it but I love it now. I don't know how long that took, definitely less than thirty years I think.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, nice detective work. I would love to hear a recording from this concert, at least of 'Ophelia'. I checked the tape archive and ther are recordings from 6/19 and 6/21, so it is likely that a tape from 6/20 exists.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 18:23:08 CEST 2020 from (24.114.70.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Funny...Bobby O....below is from the John Martin Gig list website:

1996-06-20 UK, London, Forum: guest appearance at The Band concert. "The show was enlivened by a totally drunken John Martyn lurching around during Ophelia." (Peter Viney) And: "Mysteriously, John Martyn wandered onto the stage and richly intoned the chorus of Ophelia, then just as mysteriously vanished again......Levon Helm from behind the safety of his drumkit called for 'Bobby O' to come back on. Then added 'He's called Bobby O in the States. He's just shy.' That was just the first of the euphemisms that seemed to be circling the stage that night. (Julian Moseley).


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Posted by:

Peter V

It was Lee G who was at the Band show where John Martyn appeared. Not a good one apparently.

Did you know that the first commecially released CD single in the UK was Angeline by John Martyn?

Loved Dixie by The Zimmermen. And the What's Going On video. Both a good start to the day.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Talented Youngsters

Hello Dunc. Several years ago I posted a video of Reina Del Cid. Right at the same time I believe Todd posted Larkin Poe. Everyone was so taken with Larkin Poe I don't think anyone bothered to watch Reina.

Now here are sisters, two teenage girls who are outstanding guitarists. They are going to be heard no doubt. (Listen to the southern Y'all accents.

I noticed some where back there Haso had remarked about me call BEG, "Evangalina". He thought I got that from Emmylou at the Last Waltz. I guess he never played the link I put up.

Evangelina is a great song from Hoyt Axton. I guess I'm more of a fan of Hoyt than most here. I played music with him years ago about 1986 or 87.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, Excellent version of 'Dixie'. That's my fav Band song and the one I love to sing when I get together my musician friends. It really exemplifies the genius of Robbie's writing. He was working at a remarkable level in 1968/69 with all of the songs he wrote for the brown album.

I'll give 'Cahoots' another spin. I have been periodically listening to it for the last 30 plus years and I'm still waiting for it to grown on me.

Dunc, Wow, you have a big John Martyn collection. I don't have nearly that much. I had maybe 10 or 15 at the most, but downsized my entire collection last year prior to a move. 'London Conversation' is my fav of the studio albums that I've heard, but there are many that I haven't heard yet. I recall reading something about Martyn appearing with the Band at a UK show in 1996. It might have been Peter Viney who wrote about that show. It seemed that they were all very intoxicated and the show was a big mess. Anyway, Martyn was a major talent and I will seek out more of his music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: How To Build A Girl

HOW TO BUILD A GIRL (linked) has had its release straight to Amazon Prime video in the UK. A shame as in any other year, this would have been a major box office success. Still, you can watch it now, Starring Beanie Feldstein in the screen adaptation of Caitlin Moran’s 2014 novel. It follows the transformation of Johanna, a kid from a Wolverhampton council estate into a young rock journalist named Dolly Wilde. It’s VERY funny. It has an outstanding support cast … some are blink if you miss them (Chris O'Dowd, Emma Thompson, Alexei Sayle). If you liked Almost Famous but wanted a version for females, this is it. Excellent asides on rock, rock journalism and critics.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Reina Del Cid

Later last night, I came across Reina Del Cid playing with different musicians on You Tube. I thought her and her band members with a great young girl lead guitarist were really good at playing acoustic versions of classic songs.

I came across her because I was looking for Stuck In The Middle and her version is really good.

There are very good versions of The Weight, Ophelia with a tuba, When I Paint My Masterpiece, King of the Road, Fly Me To The Moon. Many songs.

Great stuff, well played...and what is great about it, is young people keeping the music alive.

So google Reina Del Cid.

PS Mike. I wish I had been with you at a Hawks’ gig..


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Last 3:

Standing in the Doorway - Bob Dylan

Standing in the Doorway - Chrissie Hyde

Silver, Blue & Gold - Bad Company

NORM J..... Really nice to see you back along with Mike Nomad on the same day........I’ve been thinking of that period of beautiful isolation I spent all those years ago in your area at Dennis Washington’s island/salmon fishing camp.....it, along with many places in that area would be a perfect place to ride out this madness. You’re lucky - I’m stuck in TO tripping over patios in the middle of Yonge Street !

Goodnight, BEG !


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Posted by:

Jed

And-love the music,Pat. Thank you.


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Jed

The slimy snake still manages to hide in the brush and i feel badly that Ben or Pat were insulted or thought I was ever referring to them. it was never Ben or Pat. This creep now opposes another dead person based on allegations and takes pride in his sneaky asides. He’ll always find a snarky comment to make about Levon sometimes by even bending a positive accomplishment,by omission or out right hostility. Is he trying to compensate against all the venom directed at RR? Who knows?But vilifying Levon won’t even the score for Robbie. He hides in the brush in plain sight and its only his(her?)bland style of writing that leads to missing his venomous existence.


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Jed

Ben? Why not come together with Ben? Never had a reason to be opposed him?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: WHAT'S GOIN ON???? Marvin Gaye like!

Stayin out on the water....away from people and their dread diseases..but here is one of the finest of "Playin For Change"


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

This is my Dylan tribute band taking part in Amy Helm's TheBandTogether shelter at home project. This is for Jed and Ben whom I hope will come together over Cahoots.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Wallsend: Robbie has said that, absolutely. But I have the impression his fondest memories are from the earlier days of the group and the first two albums, which is pretty strongly the narrative of Once Were Brothers. (Disclaimer: I haven't finished Testimony yet.) Just musing how even in the fairly 'down' stretches that came later--such as, per Jed's post, the summer of '76--there were likely still some special moments mixed in.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Hasn't Robbie given any number of interviews where he says how much he loved the guys and how he has so many fond memories of their time together.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: the why’s of it for me

The music, along with those romanticized images of the boys, nostalgically recalled here by Kevin (and I have many of my own lodged in the crevices of my mind), are what continues to sustain my fascination with the Band. Of course, for me they’ll always be the Hawks.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

:-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

:-D


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Having a ball......

Let’s see.....Pictures of all five of them having one of those great weekend dinners early 60’s at Robbie’s mom’s house in Toronto....based on Testimony, just about every day together from 1960 through 1976...Levon almost burning his fingers at that pic-nic table to light Robbie’s smoke in TLW......Robbie and Diamond Helm swigging a beer in the back of a Jeep being driven by Levon post-TLW celebrating the launch of Levon’s solo album at his house in Woodstock....and, I have always really liked the image of Robbie and Rick arm-in-arm leaving the stage in 1989 after the Juno Hall of Fame performance.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jon L: Nicely put. I'm sure that sort of thing happened a thousand times during the making of OWB. All those photos and videos of the old days to be reviewed and considered ...


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Nice post Jed. It reminds me that Paul McCartney recently gave a few interviews talking about a photo of him and John Lennon that turned up from 1969... which was a low point of their relationship for sure, but in the photo they are smiling and appear to be genuinely connecting with each other over a late-period song they are working on. Paul talks about how this photo is kind of oddly reassuring to him, reminding him that it wasn't 100% contentious and miserable between him and John, and that that magic could still happen. I wonder if Robbie ever comes across a recording or a photo capturing a moment from one of the dark periods, and thinks... wow, even so. Just listen to that, just look at that. We had a ball.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: 1976-King Biscuit Flower Hour

Sitting in my garden in Woodstock blasting this show and just soaking up the music of five guys who are good buddies having great fun. I could hear Levon’s left foot,the snap in his snare,the bouncing bass and RR is blazing around Richard and Garth-all of it just perfection.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Traffic

Thank you, Peter for that Toppermost link. Rob the Organ is missed here and it was nice to be reminded of David P’s style of tying things back to the Band.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Hi Northwestcoaster - what a talented family. I really liked Sitting On Top Of The World and Blue. Took me back to when my kids watched the Waltons.

I wonder what happens when the singers ask for more money.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Bass playing

Like Rick Danko said: "Can you give me a minute..."

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This whole Dusty Springfield thread was of bass lines, right? Listen to this bass playing. Look at her concentrated eyes. It is grandma Petersen and family. You can watch the banjo player later. According to scientific research the sexiest player in a band is the saxophone player. Number two is the bass player. Who got all the chicks: BILL WYMAN. - Google: Jolene - Dolly Parton (Cover by The Petersens)


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Aretha Franklin / Dusty Springfield and 'Son of a Preacher Man'

Don't even think to choose between these versions. - It is all about the situation of your life, it is all about the place you live in, it is all about the culture you are a part of.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Grater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: More of 'Son of a Preacher Man'

I heard BARBI BENTON sing this song. I sat in the first row. She looked at me. Wow. I have been religious since that.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Son of a Preacher Man / Dunc's list

Thanks Dunc. By coincidence I listened to this song (Dusty Springfield, 'Son of a Preacher Man') yesterday. - LED ZEPPELIN bassist JOHN PAUL JONES said once that "he is listening to old Tamla Motown recordings to get his playing right". Even if this was not an original Tamla Motown product the bass line in this song was superb for an amateur student band bass player like me!

FYI: I have changed my IP and IP address as well. From now on I shall post with VPN.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Back in the day when 'rock' bands were given to extended jamming, I think calling something a 'pop' song was a term of abuse. I don't see it that way. Being able to put together a three or four minute finely crafted song must be very difficult.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dave Mason 'pop-oriented' perhaps means 'less pretentious.' I find Stevie's writing can tend to meander melodically, where Dave Mason nails the tune. Both "Alone Together" and "Headkeeper" are enjoyable albums.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

That’s understandable, Wallsend, but if I used that criteria for not playing albums, I would have to throw out much of the collection.

Thanks, Kevin. I remember once coming across a kids’ football tournament at the Beaches on a beautiful summer’s evening and I thought it’s the same all over the world, including one red faced, screaming parent. We enjoyed a couple of beers later at a really friendly pub on the main road later that evening.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I used to have a two disc compilation called Winwood that I used to play all the time. I seem to recall either Winwood or Capaldi complaining that Dave Mason's songs were to pop oriented. I liked Dave Mason back then and I still do. He does a great version of All Along the Watchtower. Jim Capaldi's first solo album was also pretty good.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: T'riffic Traffic

Our esteemed Rob the Organ wrote a great piece on Toppermost on Traffic (linked). Read our discussion at the end. My first two choices were Dear Mr Fantasy and Feelin' Alright. Neither were in Rob's list, and when I asked friends, their first choice was No Face, No Name, No Number.

Any discussion of Traffic should remind us that Dave Mason was also a superb songwriter- it wasn't all about Stevie Winwood. Rob's list like mine, would insist on the two first British albums as the most essential. Many would add John Barleycorn Must Die, but I have some lingering doubts that places it below the first two … just. Start with the order of release, original British albums.

When Traffic were new, they were my favourite band for a year or so. I don't think anything after John Barleycorn hits the same standard. But I guess by then theyd been replaced by The Band in my affections.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Good Luck to the young guy, Dunc ! Happy days for him.......though if you do run into a big bosomed lady with a Dutch accent on the sidelines - run, don’t walk.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I used to listen to Solid Air a lot but I have to say the allegations of domestic violence put me off John quite a bit.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Just in from the children’s football, Kevin. Different sport, but really nice story, Kevin. Can I boast Kevin? My seven year old grandson is in at Celtic’s pre academy. My other grandkids are very much older, but all played sport too.

JQ. I saw Silly Wizard several times in the seventies. Great. The Band you need to check out if you have not done already is Jock Tamson’s Bairns.

Pat B, Bill M. I have the Dear Mr Fantasy track and I will work harder on Traffic. Honest.

Two outstanding songs, Wallsend.


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Posted by:

Pat B

OK, now Bill M is making sense again. DMF is no doubt required reading, but the intricacies of their first album--different album covers, different song lists, different mixes among the various US/UK releases--made for an early journey into vinyl collecting. Also required reading is the Chris Wood bio which captures in great detail the magic of the Traffic origin story at their own Berkshire Big Pink.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Rumi on Robbie

Wasn't it Rumi who said, "One cannot lose what one does not possess"?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The highlight of one of the last of Clapton’s Guitar Fests was Stevie Winwood and especially his performance of Mr. Fantasy. Loved his green strat….and he and Van Morrison seem to be the only two from that era that haven’t lost their voices.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the art of making it snappy

Dunc: When choosing between Pat B's suggestions and my own, always go with Pat B. But everybody should own a copy of the song "Mr Fantasy".


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Andy M Stewart

Hi Dunc - Were you a fan of his? What a voice he had. I still listen to Silly Wizard and an album he did with Manus Lunny (Donal’s Brother) called At It Again. The 80s/90’s Trad scene was brilliant!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, I expect so much more from you (kidding). The first two Traffic albums are essential, and musical gems--including British only imports and movie soundtracks--populate their entire catalog. I was going to look up a greatest hits collection and list all the great stuff that's missing, but the collections are all lame. Band fans need to totally digest Don't Be Sad and Crying To Be Heard from their epic 2nd album.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Rest your weary record-collecting bones! As long as your Greatest Hits includes the song "Mr Fantasy" (with the full awesome guitar solo) you're probably okay on the Traffic front. But if you must proceed, there's the John Barleycorn album and there's the live version of "Sometimes I Feel So Uninspired" on the "On the Road" album. (It's on YouTube if you want to check first.)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Rising Prices….I’ve mentioned how I like to own certain films and shows that mean something to me. Having a fairly good collection already has really come in handy during this lockdown. What has been shocking is discovering the pace at which “out of print” for many films and shows has impacted price. I was looking for a season 2 of a British detective show ( the only season we couldn’t find ) and the guy at my store looked it up and said “ ah, let’s see…not finding anything for less than $600 !” I had thought the guy must have mistakenly clicked on the Bob Dylan site by mistake. Many shows and old Westerns are simply no longer available or are not being transferred to DVD. Reminds me of the “end of vinyl” era.

I really enjoyed Pat B’s Watkins Glen road movie. Not just for the content which was great but for the memories of capturing slices of life that it brought back to me. I was fortunate that my dad took photos and movies of much of my childhood and almost every hockey game I played from Mosquito all the way up. Telling kids that now means nothing as everyone does it but back in the 1970’s - it was special. I alerted a great friend who now lives overseas to the clip because we had a very influential hockey coach who sadly is now passed on who used to always talk about being at Watkins Glen and how great a memory it was for him. The way he talked about it was always a bit of a wonder to us so the both of us seeing the evidence of that day was fun and brought back good memories. Much conversation flowed about first cars, first girls, haircuts and road trips….and a bit about sports and music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Covering Marvin …

This one is for BEG to discuss. I actually don't like the Shaggy / Marvin Gaye version, but I love the Kate Bush cover version. Is this actually down to the gender of the singer and gender of the listener? I don't know.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc has pointed out what is happening with amazon and eBay. Both book and CD prices are rising quite alarmingly, and I suspect it's because publishers and record labels are on limited capacity, so more and more things, especially back catalogue is coming up as OUT OF STOCK or OUT OF PRINT. Therefore eBay and Reseller prices are rising fast. I also think amazon are doing a roaring trade in lockdown as we seek entertainment and explore artists.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Me again

Bill M, I’m going to run out of time with collecting. I have the Greatest Hits and The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. So maybe have to put Traffic on the back burner. I’m two albums behind on BARK, two albums behind on Lucinda Williams and Peter has cast a doubt in my mind. But after Lesley Duncan, I’m five albums up on Dusty.

PS Ben. wish I had seen the late Jackie Leven. When I heard of him, it was the eighties and I was not active on the music scene.

Joe, good luck with the turntable. I bought What Hi Fi yesterday and Audio Research has brought out a CD player at 14 998 pounds. Maybe you should have just upgraded.

This is an awful day here. But Ben has got me playing Levon and John. No Little Boy is an album of sheer brilliance. Everybody needs it in their collection.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Do I have to start another hunger strike tomorrow ??? Last one lasted two years....Just sayin'.

I see see myself as the peace maker from back in the day from the Grand River when the house would just blow up....yup.....another day at our house........Imagine Bob Marley between Seaga and Michael Manley.....Linked in case you don't know what I'm blah, blah, blahing about. Anyway, the three of us are at a bar in NYC and I hold one hand of my younger buddy who lives up, up town with his......and I hold the other hand of my older buddy who is hanging out right now at a magical place......and I raise them both up all of us holding hands as I dig both of you.....and we all say.....let's just break even.......Both of you were triggered that's all. It too shall pass. Speaking from experience of course. Just sayin'..... :-D

PS....If both of you don't dig reggae then....loss all around. Just sayin'.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks Ben. I enjoy London Conversation, but it is often seen as a beginners’ album, influenced by the like of Davey Graham and Bert Jansch. I love the classic albums such as Bless the Weather, Solid Air, Grace and Danger, and Sunday’s Child and on and on. It was amazing to see him at his peak solo on stage working the echoplex as if this wall of sound was coming from a band. However not everybody, including my wife, liked Inside Out. His bands were really good, including his trio with Danny Thompson and Arran Anhum. No Little Boy was an attempt to introduce him to a wider audience, and I think it is a great album, and love his duet of Just Now with Levon.

There is a third biography just out just now, showing the continuing interest in him, but I’ve not read it. He was a chronic alcoholic and not an easy person. He was lifelong friends with Levon and loved the fact that Levon ‘had an awful sense of humour’. Stormbrringer and The Road to Ruin were patchy attempts to emulate the Band. Some things work on the albums, some don’t. John becomes a classic act beginning with the recording of Bless The Weather. He rented Happy and Artie Traum’s house at Woodstock. He thought of Levon as ‘friendly, sweet and decent’. Dylan commented John on his guitar playing and Hendrix lived across the road. John died when making his last album and Levon quietly helped to get the album out. Beverley Martyn alleged that she suffered from domestic abuse during her marriage including after the time Dylan watched them play where she says John assaulted her because John said she was flirting with Dylan. John and Beverley Martyn were in Joe Boyd’s stable with Fairport Convention and Fotheringay, but Boyd and John Martyn hated each other, so you read whatever they say about each other with caution.

I have thirty six John Martyn albums and in my opinion he Is a musical genius. (I don’t sit counting my albums but rearranged the albums during Lockdown’. Laughing here. I miss going to see him nowadays. He was always on the road to keep the band working, talking about needing the 750 pounds Sunday night gigs to keep the money coming in. A hard life.

Ronnie Scott, who ran a jazz club in London and was one of Britain’s great raconteurs said that all his musical heroes had feet of clay except Dizzy Gillespie, who had a head of clay. I think I know what he was meaning.

Thanks again, Ben.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Todd: Thanks for the Blacksmiths link. A good job, especially considering the remoteness of the operation.

Dunc: I'd dig deeper into Traffic if I were you. Every album has great stuff, right up to the end. Even the live in Europe album.

One of Traffic's later LPs was "When The Eagle Flies". As in "Stormy Monday Blues", "the eagle flies (or smiles, or shits)" is often a reference to the arrival of payday, and the consequence arrival of US dollars with eagles on them. I wonder if that's what Traffic were referring to, or if they meant it in a more inspirational way.

The other day I was listening to Bessie Smith singing something like "If I ever get my hands on a dollar again, I'll squeeze it real hard until them eagles grin". That reminded me of Ronnie Hawkins mentioning Levon's frugality - "Levon'll squeeze a nickel so hard that the buffalo shits."

Rick and Robbie sang about going down the road to see Bessie Smith, and they also sang - in "Walk Down That Endless Highway" - "Find a lucky dollar, put it in your pocket save it for a rainy day". Everything connects.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Dunc, Thanks for the list. I'm familiar with some of the songs and will check out the others. I'm a pretty big John Martyn fan. He was a major talent. My favorite album of his was his debut 'London Conversation'. That album really has a sad, sparse winter feeling. It's a good album to play if you're snowed in. And of he course, Martyn made the pilgrimage to Woodstock to record a couple of tracks with Levon in the early 70's. I also really like the version of 'Rock, salt and nails' that they recorded in the 90's.

I noticed that Brinsley Schwartz aren't on your list. What do you think of them? I understand that Nick Lowe and Elvis Costello were in awe of the Band and their rehearsal and performance at Wembley in '74.

On a separate note, I just came across a Scottish singer songwriter that I was completely unfamiliar with. On a Van Morrison fb group, someone posted a clip of Jackie Leven performing a solo acoustic live version Van's 'Slim Slow Slider' and it it was fantastic. Are with you familiar with Leven?


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I liked Fotheringay. I don't know much about it but I wonder if the criticism of Trevor Lucas wasn't more of a personal thing rather than the music. BTW, I think the actual song Fotheringay that Sandy wrote must be one of the saddest songs ever. That and who Knows Where The Time Goes.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Band influence, Ben

The era you mention from the late sixties to the early seventies is when I was at my cutting edge, Ben.I moved from attending the dancing to attending concerts and from 1970 until 1975.I would see a band every week from 1970 to 1975 and sometimes two. It was a great time in the UK - there was the Folk boom, the Blues boom, the pop bands who reinvented themselves as rock bands, new bands, the progressive rock bands, soul music And instead of collecting singles, I started to buy albums in 71.

Of the bands you mention. I got into Fairport Convention through Liege and Lief and the collected the earlier two albums with Sandy Denny on them then followed Sandy Denny. So I never got the link between the Band and Fairport Convention.

Traffic are not important to me apart from the hits. I had a friend who played them incessantly and I have a couple of the albums. I enjoyed Spencer Davis Group better.

I only owned the single Rag Mama Rag by the Band until 1976, so it’s a difficult question to answer. Here’s some great tracks from the era. Required Listening.

I still play them

Family Between Blue and Me Peter’s late friend, John Wetton, plays on this.

Elton John and Lesley Duncan Live at the Albert Hall Love Song

Frankie Miller Tears recorded with Muscle Shoals crew.

Dusty Springfield Son of a Preacher Man

Sensational Alex Harvey Band Delilah

John Martyn May You Never

Gallagher and Lyle Breakaway

Stealers Wheel Stuck In The Middle

Love Affair Rainbow Valley

Rab Noakes Branch

Average White Band Keeping It To Myself

Pentangle Light Flight

Enjoy them, Ben


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Too many bands

Peter, Bill M - I missed Fotheringay and it’s the part of the Sandy Denny story that I misssed. The reason I missed them is because of my Scottishnesss so there would be the JSD Band, the Tannahill Weavers, Dick Gaughan and the Battlefield Band. There has always been that thing when reading about Fotheringay that the less talented Trevor Lucas dominated Sandy Denny, but I don’t know.

I tried to buy that McGuinness Flint album yesterday on Amazon, Peter, but at £83.00 it will have to wait. I’m a great fan of Gallagher and Lyle so I know McGuinness Flint well. I think Manfred Mann are great and I actually picked up the album by the Manfreds after your review. Just saw it on the shelf and bought it...I miss that physical collecting. I think the re-recording of the songs is a success.


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Posted by:

Rod

Really liked that version of Last of The Blacksmiths. Especially the bass (never paid much attention to it before) and the lady in red.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

The Guest-House

This being human is a guest-house
Every morning a new arrival.

A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.

Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,

still, treat each guest honourably.
S/he may be clearing you
out for some new delight.

The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.

Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.

Say I Am You: Poetry Interspersed with Stories of Rumi and Shams
Translated by John Moyne and Coleman Barks, Maypop
1994.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Uhhh....For those of you who are not inclined or who don't require any healing of any kind......


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

What the Guest Book needs right now...... ;-D


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Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of Fotheringay, how 'bout their luminous cover of Lightfoot's already brilliant "The Way I Feel". A killer song in anyone's hands, perhaps.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc, Peter V: I agree wholeheartedly re Fairport and Fotheringay, but I really don't care to hear the Driscoll-Augur TWOF again. I do like their "Season Of The Witch", and even "Road To Cairo".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Carpetbaggers

The next in the 60s Retrospective reviews, THE CARPETBAGGERS from 1964 (linked). It was based on Harold Robbins blockbuster novel, and considered highly salacious in its day and was the 4th biggest US film of 1964, and I’d put both Dallas and Dynasty as direct descendants. An interesting time capsule of Hollywood at its most sexist.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: Back to Vinyl

With more time on my hands, I dug out my old turntable (BIC 981), added a new belt and cartridge. Works well, but a couple of the functions are not operative and would need someone with far more skill than mine to fix. Nevertheless, it still sounds great.

Having donated my record collection years ago, I now have the pleasant journey of adding new titles. All of my Band collection are on cds, and just like most of you, its a bookshelf full.

Although I am not trying to duplicate my Band cds with their respective vinyl counterparts, I was interested in acquiring one or two titles where the vinyl version seemed to be especially sonically strong.

Just reaching out for possible suggestions from you "vinyl heads" out there. Thanks. joe


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Dunc, The Fairport Dylan covers are excellent. Fairport and Traffic are the two British bands from the late 60's/early 70's that I think of as being on a somewhat similar path as the Band. There was an interesting book about the Folk and Psychedelic music in the British Isles called 'Electric Eden'. The Incredible String Band fir into that as well with a bit more of a World music emhphasis.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: British Dylan covers

I love those, Dunc. Manfred Mann along with The Animals influenced Dylan to go electric. Whatever bullshit Eric Burdon spouts about learning House of The Rising Sun from Johnny Handle in a Newcastle folk club, back in the day he cheerfully admitted taking Baby Let Me Take You Home (Baby Let Me Follow You Down) and House of The Rising Sun from the first Dylan album.

Tom McGuinness says Manfred Mann got first British shout on the Basement Tapes because Dylan liked what they'd done with With God On Our Side, If You Gotta Go and Just Like A Woman. So they chose The Mighty Quinn. Four great Dylan covers. Then Coulson- Dean-McGuinness-Flint did a whole album of Dylan covers, 'Lo and Behold' which is great- all unusual stuff too. Try Sign on The Cross.

Try Fotheringay on I Don't Believe You for British folkies.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Beg. I wish I had seen a gig there.

Outstanding British covers of Dylan songs:

Rick and Bob’s ‘This Wheels on Fire’ by Brian Auger and the Trinity and Julie Driscoll. Peter champions it from time to time and he is correct. It is sheer brilliance. It was on the telly at the weekend. Julie Driscoll was a fashion icon too and many of the girls copied her. I wouldn’t have had a clue who Rick Danko was at the time.

Fairport Convention Si Tu Dois Partir . Great.

Fairport Convention I’ll Keep It With Mine. A brilliant song and Richard Thompson and Sandy Denny together at their very best.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: WG

Looked at some of the links here about WG. In fact listening to the jam part that's in one of the articles linked here. Wonder who of our 5 participated? Certainly Garth'd be nothing like Gregg Allman on organ. Anyway, didn't realize today was the anniversary; shoulda, as I've had a reproduction of that yellow and red poster (I think in one of BEG's links) advertising the Summer Jam for a long time. Memory serves bought in So. California at a 2nd-hand shop next to a Mexican market/eatery out in the San Fernando Valley.

Other comment is on the 200+ photos Jan put up. Many nice ones, Levon and Amy at maybe 4 years old, one of the tops. Right near the end, a poster for a Powder Mtn festival in Connecticutt (sorry Todd, it's just CT to me and I can't come up w/ a proper spelling). 1970. Interesting to me that the biggest bolds are the Band and Johnny Winter. Quite few others in smaller font: J. Taylor, Allmans, Janis, Richie Havens, Fleetwood, Van, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Grand Funk, Sly, Tull. So, they were BIG time once.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Try "evangeline the band 1987" on YouTube. Neat Levon/Rick duet with some tasty accordion by Garth.


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Posted by:

Doug

Subject: blacksmith

Thanks for that link Todd. Great to get a visual of the lower octaves on the piano getting a workout!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Todd, I just listened to the clip you linked. I agree it is really good.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

There is an online dvd shop in Queensland which is selling region 4 dvds of Once Were Brothers for $24 in case anyone is interested. I just emailed them and they said it is being released in August.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Last Of The Blacksmiths - The Band Together

Speaking of Cahoots, check out this little nugget of a performance of 'Last Of The Blacksmiths'. This appears to have sprung out of "thebandtogether" initiative that Amy Helm launched a while back to help people out during COVID-19.

Now I know that 'Last of the Blacksmiths' usually gets overlooked in the pantheon of classic Band songs, but somehow, this performance kind of opened my ears to the possibilities of a song that many people either dislike or ignore. In this case, at least 3 of the 5 musicians in this clip have played with Amy at various times in recent years. Sean Dixon on drums, Mark Marshall on guitar, Adam Minkoff on guitar, bass, and vocals. I don't know the gal on soprano sax, or the fellow on keyboards, but they all turn in a really nice performance.

Adam Minkoff, in particular, really does a nice job on the lead vocal. Singing a Richard vocal is not something that many can pull off convincingly. Also, he really gets the Danko bass feel. A couple of years ago I was chatting with Amy after a show, and they had just introduced 'To Kingdom Come' into their set. I commented at the time how impressed I was with Adam's ability to get Rick's bass parts down. She said that one of the things that he would do as they were driving from gig to gig, is sit in the back of the van, earbuds in, and basically transcribe Rick's parts note for note, and some of the time (like in the 'To Kingdom Come' example) they'd get the songs down well enough to perform live. I liked how they would go for the deeper tracks, and not always the obvious songs to cover. Anyway great tribute to the boys and impressive how much love they put into it.

Mark Marshall on the Tele, is another one of those NYC musicians, who can play almost anything, and although the guitar part for 'Last of the Blacksmiths' isn't extremely complicated, he also gets Robbie's feel and I like the interplay between his guitar licks and the rip-roaring soprano sax solo. Much credit to Garth Hudson for coming up with a real funky, out of left-field contribution tho the song.



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Posted by:

Pat B

Jed, unlike that heathen Ben, you and I both really like Cahoots, so things aren't that bad.

Todd, I was referencing Levon's clubhouse concept of songwriting.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Hey folks, I don't think that I've ever going to catch up around here, but one of these days I will try!

When things get too heated (and Lord knows I've been guilty of it myself), I think it's important to remind ourselves that we all have a lot more in common regarding our love for the music of The Band, than we have differences. We all have exquisite taste in the music that we love (obviously). And we are a club that's probably only getting smaller with the passage of time. We all have something to offer, and I thank you all for sharing.... Yeah, sometimes things get under my skin, but as I get a little older and hopefully wiser, I'm trying to let things slide. You take what you need and you leave the rest....

I'm getting the impression that some musicians aren't morning people. Imagine that. To be called by Noon is to be called too soon, eh?

As an aside, I thought it was Robbie who was pushing the clubhouse concept, so surprised to hear that that may not have been the case. I'll have to re-read a few things.

Jed, I appreciate your passion and understand where you're coming from about letting people rest in peace. For myself, when Levon passed away, it took me a while before I could even listen to Band music for a bit. And I decided...not even consciously perhaps, to actively avoid feud related conversation. It was Levon's battle that he chose to fight while he was alive, and once he passed, it didn't seem like it should be in my domain. Seemed like an appropriate time to "give it a good leaving alone", as the man said.

Pat B, sounds like a pretty special experience that you had with Richard, and I'm sure that he appreciated your interest, respect and support which you provided. As fans, sometimes we forget that we can be an important part of the relationship to the performer, and serve a valuable purpose. So thank you for sharing your time with Richard back in the day, and telling us about it.

Hope to be back sooner than later. Peace.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: One more and I’m outta here

Kevin-I would have thought you might be familiar with the value and ethic of not speaking bad of the dead. In my view-something to go overboard about. Anyway-I get it.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Kevin

You may not like what I write and no excuses for rudeness but I am entitled to a strong opinion just as others are. No apologies for that.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Pat

I owe you an apology. My last post was not at all directed to you. I strongly differ with you but the long term attacks on Levon here comes from someone who hides in the bushes. Read the quote I mentioned and scroll down a bit and you’ll see it wasn’t you. And my apologies to you and others for my vehemence. The notion that guides me is the importance of respecting the dead in a manner different than many here accept.Thus,your impeccable credentials that I respect notwithstanding,our differences remain-perhaps more axiological than intellectual.I am not upset at all-just arrived for a rest upstate. But I do feel strongly and will assert my opinion. Being hurtful or rude-no excuses I was wrong in my attitude towards you. Appreciate your honesty.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

47 years ago today I was away on the shit.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jed, you seem upset. Like I said, sorry.

Since we're clearing the air--and since Jed has decided to list all the things he finds offensive about me and since most of them are patently untrue--I thought maybe I'd catch him up on a few germane points.

I had a long talk with Richard about songwriting. I mean we talked about a lot of things but songwriting came up. He talked about his own songwriting but never mentioned the clubhouse concept. He was deadly clear that he hit a writer's block after Big Pink that was terrifying, embarrassing, frustrating, and torturous. We sat at a piano in my recording studio and he showed me how he voiced certain chords. He also sang my requests, then repeated some of the songs that night in concert and dedicated them to me. We did a bunch of other stuff which I've recounted elsewhere. We made plans to connect the next time he was in town, but we know what happened.

Gossip. That's funny. Besides being a musician, I'm also a historian and a writer. It's kind of silly for me to post this, but Jed's characterization of me is pretty fucking offensive, so I guess it needs be said. Everything I've written professionally has been footnoted. You kind of have to if you want to be taken seriously--and I take history seriously. Which is why a few decades ago when I discovered this place, I got really interested in the Fued. The vitriol here was amazing, and it all led back to Levon's book. You see, with all this talk of RR ripping everyone off and the clubhouse concept of writing songs, that thing Richard said stuck in my craw. The two didn't add up. Luckily, Jan's site has a huge amount of primary material, so I dug into it. For a couple of years. I interviewed some folks on the inside. Maybe an article, I thought. The first time I tried to write an article, it turned into a book. Who knows? Well, I started writing more for military journals and I had a couple of growing kids and I got really busy producing music for TV and I just didn't have the time. But I shared a lot here, telling people what I found and encouraging people to check out those sources. 1983. Of course, what I didn't repeat was gossip, and, boy, did I hear a lot. But if I can't source something, I don't often repeat it, but if I do, I explain its context.

Finally, Jed, if the Fued is such a small part of Levon's book, why is it such a crucial statement of fact for so many Band "fans"? Public perception of The Band has been toxically altered to paint RR as "Robber" entirely based on--in your mind--a small part of Levon's book. Well, Jed, when you accuse someone of killing a former business partner by your criminal activity, it's gonna draw some attention.

As for "Robber", it might be instructive for you to peruse some of the FB groups and see where that name gets used.


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Posted by:

Dan

Yes, Jonathan - Garth's album of popular American parlor music is the Beautiful Old. Really enjoyed it and purchased for an employee who also taught piano and organ. would be nice to listen to what Garth has saved over the years.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, I agree with Peter, you summed it up pretty well. We all have a different take on things and are coming here from different places. So, it's to be expected that there will be some disagreements and ruffled feathers from time to time. I can appreciate what John and Jed have said and what Pat and Wallsend have said also.

The fact is that this is Jan's website, so he is the arbiter of what is acceptable content for discussion here. And for those of us who were around here back in the 90's, the tone now is quite tranquil and placid compared to those days.


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Posted by:

Peter V

That was "neatly put"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Nearly put, Kevin J. I think the road / getting up situation interested me and Pat in particular because we've been there.

The employee thing got me riled, I'll admit. I don't think it's just about Levon either. It's a general thing. I think of two kids who were getting experience as humble runners (aka gofers) on our film shoots in the 80s. One is now a major director. One is a major actor. In my experience of being a humble lowest rung employee on stage shows, the bigger the star, the more courteous they were. I'd single out Tom Jones, Frankie Vaughan and Ken Dodd as three big stars who were always polite, friendly. Then I remember sitting across the aisle from Simon le Bon when Duran Duran were huge. He was also polite and friendly to the air crew- who never hassled him either.

Then there are the others and you remember them. It's one thing being friendly to your fans, that's your job - it's how you address servers and underlings that counts. Two of The Shadows were very overbearing backstage (Hank and Bruce). I've seen Bryan Ferry in a restaurant. No one with any sense is that overbearing to people who are serving you food. It was a situation where you see the servers watching and one is probably whispering, 'Yep, he ate it!'


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

For the one who keeps sending me porn sites.....Really??

The Summer Day

Who made the world?
Who made the swan, and the black bear?
Who made the grasshopper?
This grasshopper, I mean – the one who has flung herself out of the grass,
the one who is eating sugar out of my hand,
who is moving her jaws back and forth instead of up and down—
who is gazing around with her enormous and complicated eyes.
Now she lifts her pale forearms and thoroughly washes her face.
Now she snaps her wings open, and floats away.
I don’t know exactly what a prayer is.
I do know how to pay attention, how to fall down
into the grass, how to kneel down in the grass,
how to be idle and blessed, how to stroll through the fields,
which is what I have been doing all day.
Tell me, what else should I have done?
Doesn’t everything die at last, and too soon?
Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, The House of Light, Beacon


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Habs-Leafs tonight…..F1 at Silverstone this weekend…..Van’s “March Winds in February” playing…..some optimism that a vaccine for covit 19 might be ready by the Spring time…..looking at the bright side of life….or as the Python boys sang “When you're chewing on life's gristle/ Don't grumble, give a whistle”

…Jed…going overboard is never helpful and you seem to be doing that a lot lately. For the record, Johnathan Taplin isn’t “pissed” at anybody and he isn’t spreading “gossip” . The story of the assault was a story Levon had written/recounted in his own biography and that Lisa had noted in connection to a news alert that Taplin was soon to be publishing his own life’s story. Very straightforward comments followed by a few posters that they wondered if Levon had realized what a bad light he cast with that story and then much in-depth discussion as to the devastating impact the arrival of Napster style music consumption had on the incomes of middle- class musicians like Levon. Taplin has never said one thing that could be construed as harmful or hateful about Levon. And, I have never seen anyone on this site spew any hatred toward Levon Helm – ever. I wouldn't tolerate it. Not liking the boogie blues style favoured by Levon in the reformed band or making comments disapproving of his admitted assault on an employee hardly rises to hate.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Lyness

Location: NYC

Dan, the American parlor songs album you're referring to is The Beautiful Old, correct? I forgot all about that one. The samples sound great and you can definitely hear Garth all over it.


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Posted by:

Jed

And,yes-let’s get back to music. Just watched the Terry Kath Experience on AXS TV. He was amazing. What a massive talent and innovative guitarist. Headed up to our place in Woodstock-holing up in the house for a week. Only leaving to the backyard and our rooftop garden. Got a really cool Marshal amp Bluetooth-sound is wonderful. Anyone here been watching Jorma every Saturday during the quarantine? These free acoustic shows,featuring Hot Tuna for two weeks were spectacular displays of acoustic musicianship. Jorma and Jack covered a wide range of their music dating back to pre Airplane days.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ben

You are correct. People will talk about this idiocy no matter what. Gossips generally tend to gossip! And they are entitled to do so just as I am entitled to see this differently. You are also correct that,in general,people here are not Levon haters but there are people(one in particular) who like a dog,runs for the bone at the mere flick of the wrist. He can’t wait to point out things like “Levon wrote a book about it”. No-he wrote a book about his life which contained a small section on this feud. He was wrong to do it but it was not the major part of the book. This guy will bring this crap up with no provocation and no one here seems to care that talking badly of the dead may be wrong. . Yes-the internet is filled with horrible lies about RR. I never denied that. And let’s be realistic-RR recently said to Dan Rather-there is no feud! And RR isn’t feuding and Levon is gone. So all that’s left are the ignorant jerks on FB,the people obsessed with the non musical elements of The Band,those who comment who never knew any of the players,and those who feel they’ll take on a mission of evening the score. I’m not taking either side since I’m not RR or Levon and it’s between them and God. Amazing to me when people really think they are in the know and mouth off.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

John, I appreciate your point of view. I primarily visit this forum to discuss the music. However, there continue to be projects that appear in which the feud is brought up. And I think it's just natural that people will comment on these new projects. The most recent examples of this are 'Once Were Brothers' and the new biography of Levon. The interview that Robbie did a few months ago with Dan Rather is another example that falls into this category.

I would love to focus discussion on the music, both released and unreleased. I have listened to a lot of Band (both OQ, reformed, and solo) official releases and bootlegs, over the last several months. My appreciation of some of the less heralded recordings in the catalog such as 'Moondog Matinee' and 'Levon Helm and The RCO All-Stars' has increased. But my disdain of 'Cahoots' remains unchanged.


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Posted by:

Dan

Subject: Ben

Re John D. and Ben, I favor burying the feud in favor of appreciating the music. I have been putting some space between listens to Band albums so that I can feel the impact each time. For many, I feel as that is the one Band album to take to the "desert island" as expressing the magic. In the past month, I have listened to Discs 3 and 4 of Live at the Academy, the electric CD of the "Real Albert Hall' concert and the two disc "Basement Tapes Raw." I am blown away each time. But, I have to say that the Basement Tapes Raw speaks to me the most because I can visualize Garth carrying and preserving these tapes with love for almost a half century. What a gift, especially in these times that mirror some of the violence and factionalism present then, when the retreat to the private and the quiet seems to be the only way to preserve and create. Anyway, I think that Garth has collected a lot over the years, and I hope that somebody is close enough to him to preserve some of his collections or extricate a list of songs that he has enjoyed or influenced him the most. The closest I have seen is that album of American parlor songs that he played a key role in playing.


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John D

Subject: Ben

Ben writes on his latest post, "The feud is a part of the public record and aspects of it will inevitably come up here."

OK. I get it, I think. This is my last time commenting on this subject. Yes I get it. It is part of the public record. However (and this is only my opinion) talking about the feud over and over and over again, is like reading the same book over and over and over again and hoping for a different ending. We've got the story. We know who started it, yada yada yada. This is my last comment on "the feud". Sorry I'm just bored of it. Rather talk about the music. If you feel you must comment on it again and again...have at it.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jed, I was a member of the largest and most active Band fb group, 'THE Band', which has I believe over 10,000 members. I found a large percentage of the members to be rabidly anti-Robbie. The admins didn't seem to care, the only action they would take would be to turn off comments on a post. I left that group a few weeks ago. There are alternatives on fb, Dag is an admin of a small group 'Music from the Band' and Richard's son is an admin of 'The Real Richard Manual'. Both of these groups do not tolerate attacks on members of the Band.

I enjoy talking about the music, both the official releases, bootlegs, videos, concerts I've attended, etc. that's primarily why I am here. But the "feud" is a part of the public record and aspects of it will inevitably come up here. And people here do have some strong opinions about it. It's also important to acknowledge that many other bands have their own version of the feud, from The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Eagles, The Beach Boys, Yes, etc, etc. ad nauseum.


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John D

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Subject: David Clayton Thomas

There have been many covers of songs by The Band; but I think David Clayton Thomas; from Toronto along with Blood Sweat & Tears really captured Lonesome Suzie on this one.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I guess if Levon hadn't wanted people to talk about his private life, he wouldn't have written a book about it. BTW, Robbie also recounts the incident with Jon Taplin in Testimony. He implies that this was one of the reasons Taplin quit at the end of the tour.


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Posted by:

Rod

Jed, I don't think anyone here is a Levon hater. He will always be one of my musical heroes. Some of his statements over the years and those coming from some of his more extreme supporters have got people's backs up though. It just seems to be everywhere on the net. For anyone new to The Band or a casual observer those opinions are often taken as gospel.


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Posted by:

Jed

Ben-you are correct. The FB and YouTube posts about RR are dishonest and disgusting. A sad reality by ignorant people. Much worse than here. But here we have the most hard core The Band fans using excuses that others are writing books so “I must comment” and put the knife in Levon just a little bit deeper. There is also an underlying assumption here that Taplin’s words are fact. Perhaps he too is sharing his perceptions and best memories. And he can be wrong just like other writers. Or he just may be pissed at people and there’s a need to play that out. Worse yet,do the Levon haters here know Levon? Were they there when these things happened? Can they verify anything as fact or fiction? This is all mere gossip. Yap yap yap. The internet is here and the blowhard so called experts need to vomit out every mean spirited,ignorant thought that they may have.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Some of us have been out there stamping on the frosty ground waiting for the late sleeper or leisurely breakfaster to show – Pat knows what it’s like, so do I. I’ve done it with bands, actors, filming and book promotion tours. As Ben says, some people will be belligerent. You get used to dealing with the one who’s normally pleasant but has sudden nasty temper flashes in all areas of life from family to work to creative enterprises. Most of us can have nasty temper flashes ourselves at times, though Levon’s self-declared extreme violence is different. The point I was making, is that it’s a situation where normally the consensus among the group of people will be to support the tour manager, not the late sleeper. Early on in a career “the tour manager” role is often a member of the group.

What I liked about working with bands, actors, film and book tours with several authors was that once you were on the road, there wasn’t a hierarchy. The youngest sales rep for books, or the roadie, or the guy who held the boom mic or the kid who was the runner and made the tea, or the well-known actor or musician were all part of the team. I guess it’s different at “major star” levels, but at the bottom and middle in creative work, that “employee” attitude would be disliked universally.


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Posted by:

Étienne

Location: France

Subject: Across the Great Divide: The Band and America - The Last Waltz

Once Robbie had worked out a set list for the show, Scorsese began work on a ... of producer on the film, with Jonathan Taplin serving as executive producer. Later this would cause as much bad blood between Robbie and the others as the extra hundreds of thousands of dollars he'd made from songwriting royalties.

Peter V - I always wondered why Levon thought this was something to boast about? I think it goes a lot deeper than just not getting the respect that he expected from an employee.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Why America Is Afraid of the Future
Jonathan Taplin
Jul 25/20
12 min read

"Some of this essay is derived from a new book I have just finished writing called The Magic Years (you can pre-order it here), which is a personal history of the 1960’s and 1970’s cultural revolution as seen through the eyes of artists I worked with like Bob Dylan and The Band, George Harrison and Martin Scorsese. It was a culture of hope that embraced the future and refused to be tied to the past. Bob Dylan’s lyrics embody that spirit.

For the creative community, there is a huge role to play in guiding us out of the chaos and despair. I think the philosopher Herbert Marcuse had it right: “In its refusal to accept as final the limitations imposed upon freedom and happiness by society, in its refusal to forget what can be, lies the critical function of the artist.”

There is a moment in Bob Dylan’s epic new song Murder Most Foul, that depicts a moment two months after John F. Kennedy’s assassination, when the Beatles arrive in America. Hush, little children, you’ll understand The Beatles are comin’, they’re gonna hold your hand

In thinking about our desire for a brighter future, I was reminded of a quote from Albert Camus’ The Rebel, his long meditation about the role of artists and their audience in rebellion. He wrote, “We are at the extremities now. At the end of this tunnel of darkness, however, there is invariably a light, which we already divine, and for which we have only to fight to ensure it’s coming. All of us, among the ruins, are preparing a renaissance beyond the limits of nihilism.”

That is our task. We cannot fail."


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Posted by:

Pat B

Levon wrote a book that accused RR of criminal fraud. He wrote an update to that book where he accused RR of forcing Rick to work himself to death because RR stole his money. A new biography of Levon just came out that extensively reiterates the Fued in Levon's own words. Jon Taplin just announced an autobiography of his own that promises to offer more insight into 1968-72 with the Band. I'm interested in that history, wherever it takes me. I'm sorry my commenting on the public record offends some sensibilities. If that's the case, don't read my posts.

Ben, Taplin's life has been a whole lot more than "interesting."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

As promised....It's MARIA McKEE precious time with The JayHAWKS!!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, The fact is that Taplin was an employee of the Band (or the Grossman organization). And I would imagine that it was pretty routine for tour managers to be dealing with over sleeping and at times belligerent musicians during this period. I really don't have much of an opinion about Taplin one way or the other. From what I've read about him, it seems that he's had an interesting career after his time working with the Band. But, I strongly suspect that the member of the Band that he had an actual friendship with was Robbie.

Jed, you make some valid points. In general, I think the discourse here is much better than on most of the Band related fb groups. I don't know if you've been on any of them, but some of those groups there is a never ending loop of anti-Robbie comments sometimes bordering on or crossing over to anti-semitic accusation of him (and Grossman) ripping off the others. This is coupled with blind worship of Levon and to a lesser degree Rick.

Kevin, I only watched the doc once, but it was really good. The Dolls were a really good rock band, and they influenced a legion of hair metal bands in the 80's, but I think the Velvets recorded legacy is much stronger and more influential. Each of their studio albums was completely different. In their own way, I think the Velvets were as remarkable as The Band.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Nice to know that Tony Esposito had a life as a writer after hockey, and not just running a donut shop a la Eddie Shack. Re his quibble with Scorcese's 'pranking' of his audience, I wonder if he considered that this is something he picked up from Robbie, who with others (Dylan, Greil Marcus, et al) pranked the fanbase by presenting the "Basement Tapes" LP as if it were indeed a tape from the basement.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ben.....The documentary you mentioned on Arthur Killer Kane was titled “New York Doll” and I loved it. What a story it told. The stuff of fiction in a real life story. One of the very few movies that I have ever watched and then immediately watched it again. I never bought that legend about the Velvet Underground and how every one who saw or listened to them started a band. In the New York Dolls case - it might have been true.

Karma and Major League Baseball.........when organizations or countries for that matter are run by idiots, the results are so predictable. MLB games being cancelled today due to players left right and centre being infected with the virus. And while the goofy mayor of Toronto and the Premier of Ontario had predictably cow-towed to media giant Rogers and granted approval to the Blue Jays to play their home games in Toronto - thankfully we had a Prime Minister in charge who put the health of his citizens first and had the courage to prevent the Jays from staying or any other US based teams from entering. Haso has made the right call with his viewing choices as the Bubble plan in place for the NHL and NBA seems to be the safest and best thought out.

....yes, BEG , the Yonge and Eglinton neighborhood used to have several great places to shop for books, videos and records. The late JT’s territory as well. Living up up town these days the only things one sees while browsing are $5000 designer dresses !


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Levon

Wow I’m truly amazed.The Band GB is less interested in The Band’s music and more interested in dissecting Levon Helm. Trying to kill him again. It’s true that he made mistakes-big mistakes-in his life. Who hasn’t. I have. Do any of us really need other people-people who never ever met us even once and certainly never knew us-do we want them passing judgment? Who the heck are they to pass judgement? Yes-it’s unfair that Levon made mistakes that are blowing back on Robbie to this day. He made a terrible mistake particularly given that it’s clear as can be that Robbie didn’t screw anyone over and wrote the songs. But Taplin is now the judge and certain people here are the jury. Who’s representing Levon? Why should he have to even defend himself to this absurdity of people judging? Certain people here seem to relish in the feud and in ripping Levon. Get a life. Return to the holiness and joy of The Band and its musical genius. The Band was 5 superbly gifted musicians-focus on that. It’s likely this nonsense will continue. Levon will be judged by God. What cruelty to go after a dead person.


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Posted by:

Pat B

C'mon. Read up on Jon Taplin for all the context you need. The guy is an absolute heavyweight. For Levon to dismissively refer to him as an employee who didn't show enough respect when Levon wouldn't get out of bed is bad enough. Context? Taplin worked for Grossman. You think that didn't color Levon's memory? He was Judy Collins road manager and helped produce the Woody Guthrie Carnegie Hall tribute. He helped George Harrison produce The Concert for Bangladesh. He left Woodstock and went to LA where he had the vision and the balls to produce Mean Streets. Yeah, you really don't want this guy handling the ammo. Right. Taplin went on to have a stellar career in any number of fields.

btw, the musician who made everyone wait for the bus to leave lost a little bit of respect every time he or she pulled that trick. Like I should haul my ass out of bed and make departure time but have to wait for someone who didn't have the common courtesy to respect everyone's time and effort.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

And photos from the real photographer. The one who met at least three women from this site alone.......CRABGRASS.
:-D

Blues Cruise in NYC "A Tribute To Howlin' Wolf" - August 23, 2002

Photos copyright © by "Crabgrass" 2002

Hey, what more could one wish for? A beautiful breezy moonlit Friday evening in NYC, a double-decked cruise boat brimming with enthusiastic blues fans, and a dream blues band line-up featuring the spritely and ageless Hubert Sumlin, Levon Helm, Jimmy Vivino, and Mike Merritt, with David Johansen on vocals ripping full-force through 90 minutes worth of immortal Howlin' Wolf tunes while traversing the waterways of Manhattan Island past the Statue of Liberty. Hubert's guitar cut through the night air like a finely sharpened blade. One of the most unique funky venues and best up-close concerts I've ever seen. This was truly a great one which I'll remember fondly for a long time to come!! --Crabgrass


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Anthony Esposito
August 9, 2019
"Scorsese did it because he’s bored with his career as a serious, revered movie director. The idea was presented to him the way a bare-bones script is handed to a director looking for something to do outside his usual brand. I’m sure Kubrick thought Eyes Wide Shut was a can’t miss project. It was not. Then he died. Scorsese got sucked into the trumpian Zeitgeist that everything’s great as long as the lie serves the project better than the truth. Scorsese blew it. He ain’t no good fella no more."

Why Did Martin Scorsese Prank His Audience in ‘Rolling Thunder Revue’? Even He May Not Know

When I saw this Doc I just went with the flow. Sometimes I rolled my eyes but I still have such amazing memories of two of these shows in Toronto and Niagara Falls, New York that I went along for the ride. Years later JT would share his copies of the Band with Dylan at Maple Leaf Gardens...some I found at other used music stores, maybe in NYC? Others many of my brothers here supplied me with anything Dylan related. By Owen Gleiberman

K.EVIN...I forgot to say that I was exposed to Ben Webster while staying at V's loft in the west end on weekends. He told me to tell you that you can find many DVD's at our fave store BMV...three locations; closest one to you at Eglinton but you knew that didn't you? There was also another used music store in same area or was it at Davisville? I was looking for a hard to find Garland Jeffreys CD and started talking.....and voila! The guy who worked in the store or the owner said he'd make me a copy and then I returned the favour. I haven't bought many books at full or on sale prices anymore when I can buy copies at mint condition in these stores. We sell our books here as well. You receive a third of what they'd sell it for. I'm the downsizer.....Btw, I used to be south of you at Bayview/York Mills to see someone who lives there. He's a huge Van fan as well. He's a physician from Ireland who had his own meltdown and after the therapeutic process became a therapist himself. So for anyone who needs counselling during these Pandemic times or anytime; you can see a therapist covered by our health care system if they are a former physician....I saw him via V when my Ma passed....O.H.I.P covered the cost. Perhaps if Levon lived in a country where you don't go broke when you contract cancer and have a national health care system thanks to my party the NDP.......Levon would not have gone broke!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

brown eyed girl, I'm a NY DOlls/David Johnansen fan. Not so much of Buster Poindexter. I did forget about the Johansen live album recorded at the Bottom Line. He was a very good live performer. I recall that he did a strong version of some old Animals and Motown songs. There was a good documemtary of late NY Doll bassist Arthur Kane made several years ago. It showed him working as a file clerk in some Western city, maybe Salt Lake City, and living a very anonymous, working class existence. Towards the end of the movie he is involved in a NY Dolls reunion that was spearheaded by Morrissey and then he died a short time later. It was a very sad story.

Regarding 'Take No Prisoners', well it was a stand up comedy album with a few snippets of music. Lou was an extremely abrasive, self destructive person and you hear that in full display on this album. That doesn't take away from his genius, but this album is a real mixed bag.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I've long felt that Levon and Rick presented themselves as working class or at best middle class musicians. Now, that may have just been their shtick in public, but that's the read I've always had on their personas.

Regarding Taplin's case study of Levon's finances, well it seems pretty valid. However, I think Taplin is guilty of embellishing his relationship with Levon. It seems very doubtful that Levon ever considered Taplin a friend based on his commentary in TWOF.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BEN...and bourgeois value of working hard???!!!! No one works harder than the working poor who work sometimes more than one job as minimum wage does not go too far now does it? Especially in cities like my own. Also, as Robbie has said many times he wasn't an angel......but like Mick Jagger they are both control freaks who could have fun and dabble with many drugs but in the end stayed away from the hard stuff and knew when to say goodbye....For Robbie coked out for two years with his live in companion Marty. As he's stated he didn't know anyone who didn't do drugs.

DUNC...The Bottome Line in NYC was the very first club I went in solo as my friend due to dementia completely forgot that I bought tickets for us. I have no idea why I didn't ask my other NYC friends at the time. I was probably ticked off with Crab for some reason. lol and I hadn't met his friend from the Bronx yet. So I was refunded the one ticket and I went on my own to see a tribute to The Band with Buddy Cage and Garth Hudson. Yes....I was motivated.....Where was Jon L? I most likely hadn't met him at this time also. Anyway, the Club was great as the stage was surrounded by tables in rows at the front. I just joined a table and had such a fun time. Another time I saw Garland Jeffreys with Crab's music industry friend. This time the set up was different as Garland performs very close to his audience. The third time I was at this Club, I saw Buddy and Julie Miller with the Crabster where Chip Taylor was the MC? I hope I'm remembering this right as it was so many years ago. I always stayed with my friend who was a former prof at NYU and therapist. The last time I was there I stayed at a Guest House on the same street.....It was such a bittersweet time. Oh I just remembered another time at the Bottom Line. I was there at the very end when the Club was having a fundraiser as it was about to close. David Johansen sat right at a table in front of me for a memorable moment before he was later to perform......Staten Island's finest entertainer.....and I saw him perform close up and personal on the Blues Cruise with Crab....We were such good friends. I wish he lived here and then when V isn't interested.....or all three of us like Mr.Maximus and his partner.....I remember him from the Dolls to.....He was on the bill as well as our own Jane Siberry..... not sure if anyone else. I loved being at the Bottom Line where Louuu performed Take No Prisoners......Come on Ben......He's a funny loveable guy. You have to look past his armour. We all have one now don't we?

You don't have to justify
Anything you say or do
And you don't have to testify
Anything I hold as true
And you don't have to mystify me
Oh but, darlin' you do
And if, you won't be here anymore
Then I won't be around at all


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Posted by:

Peter V

Taplin's argument is fine with me. The Band lost their income because Napster, YouTube, Spotify just upped and stole their work. We're living in a world where an artist can get seven million streams and end up with a couple of thousand dollars if they're very lucky. It's not a living. I won't link to Spotify in reviews on my site … I know Toppermost does.

Same thing happened to us. One day ELT / ESL video is a living, and we're selling lots of DVDs. A year later it's entirely gone because people just steal your work. Russian sites put it up for free. You can issue a "take down" notice to YouTube. it takes them three weeks to comply. The next day another copy of your work goes up from a different Russian address. Taplin's right- the people who stole Levon's livlihood aren't the suits and lawyers he thought … but spotty nerds on the internet.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Rolling Thunder Revue

Rod, Rick Danko appeared twice on the Rolling Thunder Revue:

Civic Center Arena, Hartford, Connecticut, November 24, 1975, He did "What A Town" and "It Makes No Difference."

and

Night Of The Hurricane II, Houston Astrodome, Houston, Texas, January 25, 1976, he's not on the incomplete tape of that show but there's a recording of the Los Angeles rehearsals from January 23 where he does "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever" and "It Makes No Difference."


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

brown eyed girl, that's an interesting review of Taplin's book. However, the author of it, David Runciman exhibts little understanding of the Band. I think that Taplin's description of them (with the exception Of Robbie) as middle class musicians in the years after the last waltz is pretty accurate. It seems that Taplin's book deals with much bigger issue of modern day digital capitalism and he's using Levon in particular as an example of a loser in the current system.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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Good Morning haso. Marcus Smart, huh? He's a competitor alright. I always watch Kemba Walker.....and now he's a Celtic so the East will be even more.....Now that Kevin J has returned....for now.....I may skip baseball only. I did see one game in the original Bronx area one summer with a friend who knows some of our Canadian comedians 'cause they went to the same school in Hamilton. She also saw one of the Toronto Maple Leafs coaches...Pat Quinn...She said all the teenage girls were drawn to him....Oooohhh la, la....At this baseball game Daryl Strawberry was on the Yankees team. I was trying to take some photos with my telephoto lens and this yahoo was blocking my view. Now do you think I said anything to him? Let's just say his buddy told him off as well. lol Don't get in the way with me and my sports and music! ;-D

Move Fast and Break Things by Jonathan Taplin review – the damage done by Silicon Valley "Taplin’s starting point is the music of Levon Helm and the Band, but the fight against the spoiled brats of Google, Amazon and Facebook is much bigger

Taplin’s reply, which he reprints here in all its eviscerating glory, points out that this plan won’t work because in the meantime Helm has died. Moreover, he tells Ohanian, “It wasn’t the music industry that created Levon’s plight; it was people like you.” He concludes: “You are so clueless as to offer to get the Band back together for a charity concert, unaware that three of the five members are dead. Take your charity and shove it. Just let us get paid for our work and stop deciding that you can unilaterally make it free.” Ohanian, unsurprisingly, did not respond.

But before the digital revolution turned them into victims, the Band were the fortunate beneficiaries of an earlier age of cultural production, as will be true of any group of artists who make it. The music industry of that time – dominated by earnest and slightly pretentious white men, some of whom (like the superstar reviewers at Rolling Stone) had an effective monopoly on their audiences – suited what they had to offer. It also suited Taplin, a Princeton-educated lawyer who happened to find himself in the right place at the right time. He clearly had a hell of a ride. But it’s hard to feel all that sorry for lucky people when their luck runs out.

Of course, Serial and S-Town have their critics, but so does the music Taplin loves: I know people who would rather eat stinging nettles than sit through the whole of The Last Waltz.

Taplin couches his argument in terms of Chris Anderson’s The Long Tail, which sees vastly outsized rewards going to a few dominant players at the top of the market, and the rest distributed in tiny amounts to the millions of self-starters who can now find whatever audience is out there via YouTube and online retailers. The people who get crushed are those in the middle. Weirdly, though, Taplin identifies the Band not merely as part of the squeezed middle but as “middle-class musicians”. This is ironic because one of Helms’s problems was that he was too busy leading a life of hedonistic excess to have time to write the songs. The only member of the group who conformed to the bourgeois value of hard work was Robbie Robertson, whom Taplin describes as getting up to put in a songwriting shift each morning while his bandmates were sleeping off their hangovers. As a result, Robertson was still making money from royalties – even in the age of Spotify – while the rest of the Band lost out."


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Levon and Taplin

The transcribed incident in Levon's book certainly doesn't cast Levon in a positive light from our vantage point in 2020. But, it's impossible to know the context of the quote without seeing the full transcript. In other words, I seriously doubt that Levon gave much if any thought to Taplin when he was working on this book in the early 90's with Davis. So, I would really like to know the question that Davis asked Levon that provoked the response transcribed in the book.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Jon Taplin

I always wondered why Levon thought this was something to boast about:

" I heard his tone of voice, which conveyed something less than the respect that I expected from the employees. "

Let alone the violence. When you travel with a band and eat with them daily, set up shows, often share accommodation, that attitude exists in only a very few musicians (or indeed actors on tour or film crews). In the UK, such individuals will soon be known widely by a short four letter word beginning with C which I won't type as it's much more offensive outside the UK. There are some, but not many.

I had the unenviable job of getting people up and on the transport. There is usually one who can't get up, but I'm surprised the rest of the band didn't rally to Jon Taplin's side, which was the more normal event when everyone knows it's a regular problem. In general, the rest of the group or company are pissed off at getting up, breakfasted, dressed, packed and out by the transport, then having to stand around for an hour waiting for the late arrival. Then what happens is the hour's break for food on the journey has to be skipped because everyone is now running late. As I say, If I were Taplin, I'd have quit on the spot, unless the other guys were prepared to back me up totally, by say dropping him in a cold bath. Which has been known to happen.


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Posted by:

Rod

Dag, great project you've got going there. One thing I can add is that Rick performed Small Town Talk on the Rolling Thunder Review. I came across a recording somewhere on the net. Can't remember where sorry.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: Taplin, Angie's sports

I'm w/ the awaiting Taplin bandwagon. He may be full of himself like many accomplished academics, yet still quite interesting. I always thought his comments on the bbc-doc about TNTDODD kind of right-on as he put it, for a Northern civil rights imbued college kid.

Anybody click on Pat B's link w/ the pre-order button? Is that direct to his publisher or just another road into the Amazon? Yeah, I should have stopped tonight when I saw one of their "Prime" drivers on a dirt road by a lake circa 8:00 p.m. Probably somewhat, or a lot lost, and he being a Black gentleman, here in lilly-white semi-rural New Hampshire, we shoulda been more forgiving of the Monster he delivers for. Or just to help any lost soul really.

Anyway, yet to read "Move fast and Break things", but when I do, happy to send it on to you, Angie. I'm sure it can't be any less disappointing than "Small Town Talk".

Photo on/proposed for the cover of "The Magic Years" as linked by Pat and by Jan... guessing that to be on The Festival Express.

Angie: now the sports are gonna be fast & furious. You might have to breakout the dvr to keep up. Around here, we haven't quite decided. Probably skip the Red Sox more or less and concentrate on Marcus Smart and the Celtics. You can file reports from TO and EDM on the skating crowd.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks for the clarification, Ben and Pat B. The story reminds me - though the outcome was different - of reading in the John Kay (auto)biography, "Magic Carpet Ride" (with / by John Einarson), that in the '80s, when nothing was happening with the Steppenwolf catalogue, Kay decided he'd like to have more control over things so bought out the rights from his former colleagues, though not probably not drummer Jerry Edmonton. Which meant that he (and Jerry?) made a ton of money when CDs came along and people replaced their vinyl. I guess Napster killed that income stream for him too.

Kay also tells of owning the Steppenwolf name jointly with Jerry Edmonton (and now Jerry's estate, presumably); since Jerry didn't care to play, John would do the touring and recording and give Jerry a negotiated cut of everything. Seemed to make everybody happy, unlike other cases I'm aware of.

Coincidentally, I googled Einarson to check the spelling and found that he'd written "Forever Changes", an authorised biography of Arthur Lee. So maybe you Maria McKee fans will want to check it out so see what it says about Bryan MacLean.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I listened to a debate a number of years ago between Taplin and some modernists who thought royalties were outmoded. Taplin used the four members of the Band other than RR as making low six figures from album sales alone into the 90's when Napster destroyed that cash flow. He could probably explain the details better but I don't think it had anything to do with publishing and was more about owning the actual Band recordings.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Taplin

My recollection is that Taplin has said that Levon and the other members of the Band were earning at least 100 thousand a year in royalties from physical media sales until napster and other venues of illegal downloading proliferated and the sales of physical media dried up.


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Posted by:

Bill M

"Clear the Track" was c-written by "hockey Night in Canada's colour commentator from the '60s and early '70s, Brian McFarlane. McFarlane also wrote some boys books, but not nearly as many as his father, Leslie, who wrote most of the Hardy Boys books as Franklin W Dixon and most of the Nancy Drew books as Carolyn Keene.

Douglas Rankine and the Secrets, from central Scarborough, went on to records lotsa stuff as houseband with the Arc and Yorkville labels in the '60s. Two 45 as the secrets and at least three anonymous tribute LPs (Monkees, Soul, British Invasion), and then they changed their name to Quiet Jungle and did another couple 45s and an album. Their "Ship Of Dreams" did well on the local charts and is now considered a psych classic by collectors in Europe and Japan. An early production by the label's in-house rock producer Brian Ahern, who also recorded Ronnie Hawkins and David Clayton Thomas for the label.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

We can stretch our minds with Taplin and we can stretch our hearts with Eddie....

For THE KEVIN J because you have both gifts as you can entertain us and make us think....dang.......make us reflect.......dang again....

Shhhh....I did have Dave Keon's poster up on the wall when I was....never mind too much info. ;-D

Clear the Track Here Comes Shack / Warming the Bench - 7"
RCA Canada International - 1966
Douglas Rankine with the Secrets


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Posted by:

Lisa

That seems to suggest that because of lack of money Levon didn't get the treatment he needed, or as much as he needed at any rate. Does anybody know if this is true?


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Posted by:

Bill M

I met Jon Taplin 10 or twelve years ago when he spoke at a conference in Ottawa. Naturally I led with the Band, and we exchanged a couple mails after that. I have no doubt that he'll deliver. Interesting about Napster killing Levon's income. Would that be the income that he could have sold to Robbie a few years earlier (as the others did)?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Critical Review of Taplin's Move Fast and Break Things

CREATIVE & INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

Content uploaded by Skye Radcliffe Grayson

"Taplin discusses creative and intellectual property in relation to free speech and freedom of information. To Taplin, creative and intellectual property is wrongfully pirated under the excuse of free speech and freedom of information. He devotes a chapter to his friend Levon Helm of The Band, whose finances were effectively drained by the digitization of the music industry. Taplin explains that Helm’s inability to pay for medical bills and resulting death resulted from such losses. Taplin concludes that if Helm’s creative property had not been cheapened and/or stolen by internet industries like Napster (under the excuse of free speech and free information), Helm and his family might’ve had a different fate. ("Here is the human cost of the Internet revolution." [41])

Taplin’s largest and most overarching conceptual stumble is in his definition of happiness. He seems to espouse an Epicurean or Marxian happiness in which one may fulfill his/her species-being by creating products free of the pressure to ‘sell.’ Yet when faced with a future in which the prospect of creativity is not met with ‘proper’ monetary pay, he is furious. He is at once supportive and at odds with a reality in which production is monetarily dis-incentivized. So while furious at capitalism’s outcome, he exhibits capitalistic desires—i.e. independence from large and centralized control, and desire to livelihood facilitated by wage. Taplin covers quite a lot, and gives the reader quite a lot to think about. But his approach is clouded and haphazard. Regardless, his experience and passion is admirable."


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Posted by:

Pat B

I wonder if Levon realized what a bad light he cast with that story.


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Posted by:

Lisa

From Across The Great Divide:

Jonathan Taplin: "Levon had some serious problems with downers, and he was very hard to wake up in the morning."

From This Wheel's On Fire:

Levon: "I was definitely burning with a short fuse. An example: we had this road manager, Jonathan Taplin. He was OK, but you wouldn't want to send him for the ammunition. Early in this process he came to my motel room and started to exercise his authority to get me out of bed. But I was on him like a mad dog as soon as I heard his tone of voice, which conveyed something less than the respect that I expected from the employees. I picked him up until his legs were off the ground and kicking, walked him backward, and heard myself saying, "Jon, I'm gonna bite your damn nose off. I'll kill you is you ever talk to me like that again. Do you understand me?" Of course, I didn't mean anything by it, but I noticed he steered clear of me after that.

Hardly surprising!


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: J Taplin

Didn’t Levon take a swing at him in his book? Something like: Don’t send him for the ammo?


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: The Magic Years

Jonathan Taplin’s memoirs, subtitled "Scenes from a Rock-and-Roll Life", due for release in March ‘21. Endorsed by JRR. Taplin was there, inside the inner circle, from their rise to the end of the OQ. He is also a media professor and a skilled author. Fingers crossed...


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jon, I believe the Bottom Line show I saw was in 95, but I'm not positive. In terms of sidemen, I would rate Blondie Chaplin much higher than Sredni. One of the live Danko CD's released in the UK 'Rick Danko and Friends Live at The Iron Horse' features a show from this era with Blondie doing a great version of 'Can't find my way home'. Blondie is a very talented guy.

That's great that Danko came up to your table after the show. I've read so many stories about him being very approachable and easygoing. He seemed like a genuinely down to earth and nice guy.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: The Bottom Line

You're welcome, Dunc. The capacity at the Bottom line was 400 according to wikipedia. I was only there the one time for the Danko show, but it was not a big place. However, venue size is relative. The smallest club I've seen a show in was Club Passim in Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA. I was fortunate enough to see Eric Andersen there in 1989 when he had just released his great comeback album 'Ghosts Upon the Road'. I recall Passim as being much smaller than the Bottom Line and probably couldn't have held more than 100-150 people.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: “Clear The Track, Here Comes Shack”

Thank you, BEG and for the “I Was Only Joking” as well....fond memories !

Very saddened to just learn that one of the NHL’s most entertaining characters ever Eddie Shack has died. Funny story.......back in the day when he was breaking into the league - rumours were making the rounds that he was illiterate ( which was true ) and the story made headlines in the Montreal newspapers. Anyway, the Montreal Canadien players were teasing him about it from the bench.......1/2 way through the first period, Shack gets a clear breakaway, skates in dekes out the goalie and scores. He then skates back to the Montreal bench - stops - and screams “goal and it’s spelled G O A L”

....and nice to see Mary back. Attendance in the GB is a bit like a RUSH concert - 95% male ! The renegade little pink years were more balanced with Deb and Julie and Carol and BEG and so on........funny, I remember back in high school days when certain concerts were bring a date, some were definitely all male and some the girls took the lead.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: The Bottom Line

Ben, once again we were leading parallel lives. I saw Rick there in October 1996, with Blondie Chaplin accompanying him. Your anecdote reminds me that during the opening act, I noticed Rick sneaking out from the backstage area to the bar to grab a drink, with a playful look on his face. ;) The show was poorly attended even for a random club show (there had been heavy storms and flash floods all that day, which likely didn't help), but I just loved it.

I would not have had the courage to approach Rick in person either, but when the show was over he surprisingly came out and sat right down at one of the tables with a few of us and started chatting about recent projects. Somewhere I have a photo of the group of us. I also fondly remember an excited Japanese fan named Toshiro sitting next to me the whole evening who had an amazingly deep knowledge of the Band and couldn't believe he was interacting with one of the members; we hung out for a month or two afterwards, then lost touch. Hope he's out there still listening.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks, Ben

Very interesting, Ben. How many people would be at a full concert?

I read that people, who were interested in the artist, sat at the front, but that if the show wasn’t going well, then the audience would lose interest, the bar was a hindrance, talking would break out, and it could be a difficult place to play.

There is agreement among many people in the UK that the artist I was writing about, Lesley Duncan, should have been much more successful, but suffered from dreadful stage fright. Seemingly, the record company took her to the Bottom Line with a great band to generate interest in her music in the US, and the review described how well she worked the audience with everybody listening.

Also, her fourth album received a lot of plays on a Boston radio station and she seemingly has a small following there. But everybody is getting older...

If you have any British music, Ben, Lesley might be on it as a session singer.

Thank you, Ben


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: NJ

Subject: Laura Nyro

JQ, Absolutely. Laura Nyro was a brilliant artist. I believe that she struggled with sever stage fright and rarely performed. I think she gets lost in the shuffle when discussing the great songwriters of the late 60's to early 70's. And as a female songwriter, in particular she is unfairly overshadowed by Joni Mitchell and to an extent by Patti Smith.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The GREAT Laura Nyro

Ben - You're spot on with that adjective!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: NJ

Subject: The Bottom Line

Dunc, I have Bottom Line anecdotes for you. The first one was seeing Rick there in the mid 90's. I happened to be in NYC on a Saturday night and saw an ad Village Voice that Danko was playing at the Bottom Line. So, we went down there and saw him the early show. It was a great show. I believe that Shredni was playing with Rick at the time. The Bottom Line was a pretty small place and I saw Danko by himself at the bar before his set began. I could have easily gone up to him and told him how much his music had meant to me, but I didn't. I've always regretted not taking that opportunity.

My second Bottom Line story involves the short lived label Bottom Line Records. I was working in the music department of a Borders Bookstore in the mid 90's when I found out that the fledgling label Bottom Line records was looking to hire a label Rep. I applied for the job and got an interview, with a couple of hipsters who were running the label. The interview didn't go too well as I apparently wasn't hip enough for the job. It probably was for the best as napster was on the horizon and physical media sales were about to plummet.

The Bottom Line label really didn't do very much with recordings from the club. There big releases were by Harry Chapin and Janis Ian, I recall. There have been other live albums recorded at the club, most infamously Lou Reed's standup comedy album 'Take No prisoners' and the great Laura Nyro released a live album recorded there near the end of her life.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For all the women who ever loved our very own KEVIN J!!
And yes I know what it's like to look at food and even my favourite food and say....No thank you. Next....
Just sayin'.

I did have a back up plan. I was going to watch every Raps, Jays, Leafs games.....Vera and Amy once again ast night....Just sayin'......


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Posted by:

Kevin J

BEG....there was a time when Kevin J’s absence from a women’s life warranted not just a strike but a hunger strike - just sayin’

Watched the Bill Evans documentary last night. “Time Remembered”. I have gotten so used to purchasing music related docs for high prices over the years but this one was only $17.99 and arrived within a week of the order. Superb all around and highly recommended.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Well, I'm crossing the picket line for Mary, Calm and Peter Green.

Helloooo Mary! It's been a long time. Critter emailed me the news about Calm. He asked for everyone's emails but I lost a lot of emails from this site. She's one of two people I met here who actually were n my home as well as all the hours we blah, blah, blahed on the phone....and we checked out many sites in TO with Critter and the grandkids. I never met her daughters. I also met two other Canadian posters who are no longer with us....JT and Blind Willie McTell. She was very selective who she met. I met a lot of people. You find out quickly just because you are The Band fans, it doesn't mean that you'll have enough of other interests to actually have a friendship....so I mostly met male posters only because the female group in here was small and now it's just Lisa and I.

Anyway, in her obituary....The only things I'll share....Wow.....So many other things she never told me. She was not only a very generous person with her time and understanding....and all the gifts music related and not that were sent my way....but she was very humble in relation to her own achievements in life. Thanks to the Chat Room for us meeting and developing a friendship. Critter has to give permission for anything more to share. We have been in touch so maybe, maybe not.....She always talked about you fondly and never any drama Mary!

"She attended R.H. King Collegiate school in Toronto, where she was involved in track and field and achieved a scholastic high jump record.

She was an avid music lover and a collector of The Band music and memorabilia, having a friendship with one of the members."

"Black Magic Woman" is a song written by British musician Peter Green, which first appeared as a Fleetwood Mac single in various countries in 1968, subsequently appearing on the 1969 Fleetwood Mac compilation albums English Rose (US) and The Pious Bird of Good Omen (UK), as well as Vintage Years."


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Peter Green

Good reading on a sad day: Fleetwood Mac on Toppermost (Peter V is one of the writers).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dominic Cummings

I thought you were joking! I searched and this is what he posted:

Very impressive sight, but.. I cant get the AU files to play. Ive got Win95 and plenty of system resources. How do I get my media players to operate. I can use wav. and midi files, but not, for some reason, .au files. please help

So basically he was trying to get free files. And he was also using Windows. Which was and is crap. And he's supposed to be a tech wizard. Obviously always been incompetent. Confirms my opinions.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Dominic Cummings

Maybe people know this, but I didn’t know this. I was skimming through the archives for texts related to The Bottom Line because a British singer songwriter, Lesley Duncan, received a very good review for a concert there, and I was doing a Toppermost on her. I wanted to get a feel for The Bottom Line as a venue.

I came across two posts by Dominic Cummings from Durham in August 1997. Dominic Cummings is Boris Johnston’s main adviser. So perhaps when he was flaunting Lock Down rules, Music From Big Pink was on the car stereo.


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Posted by:

Rod

Looking forward to Taplin's book. I may well lay a lot of the old arguments to rest.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Hi Mary! You have a whole bit in the archives that I remember reading especially - something about a show that you and some other GBers all went to with ... toy ducks or something? It was very funny - really brought out some hilarious posts. A lot of clever and funny writers in those archives.


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Posted by:

Mary (bear)

Location: PA

Miss this place.....such great memories.


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Posted by:

Lisa

That looks very promising. After Small Town Talk I thought that's it, no more books! But this sounds very tempting ...


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Jon Taplin memoir due in March of 2012.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I understood that the Dead recorded their soundcheck and all three groups' performances on a multi-track. Too Wet To Work and Jam from LaWG are the products of that tape(s). Given the Dead's archiving rigor, those multi's are probably in good condition at their warehouse. The Dead however have scrupulously avoided letting their Saturday performance out as they (self-admittedly) sucked (which is saying something!). However, they have officially released material from their soundcheck.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

The Band's set at Watkins Glen, pretty good audience recording.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: NJ

Subject: Watkins Glen

If anyone wants to hear what the Band sounded like in the summer of 1973, they should seek out the 'Roosevelt Stadium' bootleg recorded on 8/1/73, the second night of their run in the garden state. This was less than a week after WG, and was the Band's only other live shows between the Rock of Ages shows and Tour 74 w/Dylan. Both Roosevelt stadium shows have been booted, but the second show is far superior and is worthy of an official release.

Now getting back to the WG recordings. I wonder what condition the Band's set is in. I believe that either the Dead or Allman's set has been released. So, I would imagine that an acceptable copy of the Band's set exists.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Good story - thanks for the smile. Given your location, could it be that the 'thunder' wasn't the sound of basses onstage but of turds slapping against the hull?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: What?kins Glen

Most live albums (virtually all) have SOME post-production – crowd noises, overdubbing. Woodstock’s CSN tracks are a major case – some overdubbed, some were somewhere and some time else entirely. They rank with Watkins Glen though it probably takes the prize as it’s not even the same repertoire and at least one seems to be studio. But I also enjoyed it as a set of Band performances.

I missed Isle of Wight. We set out from Poole in my friend’s sailing dinghy thinking as it was calm we could get twenty miles in a three person boat. Our plan was to sit offshore and listen. At the point we became becalmed (right by a sewer outfall) we could hear the thump of bass like distant thunder. We gave up and drifted back.

The great festivals are the small ones. Dorset’s Larmer Tree Gardens are a wonderful setting. Only a few thousand. I’ve seen Van Morrison, Tom Jones, Jimmy Cliff among others there. Jimmy Cliff was the best by a mile.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I have only heard one boot of the Watkins Glen show and the quality was so bad it was hard to tell if it was a good show or not. I am sure Woodstock, Isle of Wight etc were great social events but I don't think those kind of venues would be actually good for listening to music.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: WG & NYT

Always been curious about Watkins Glen; only heard tiny snippets in the past and look forward to reading Pat B's article that Peter links, although if it's in jh's library I'm sure I did, upon a time. Have held the opinion for at least 40 years that that was the concert I most would have wanted to be at. For me at that time, and going on 10 years after that, those 3 bands were IT, as far as I was I concerned. No offense intended (to Heads), but if I wanted a nap it would likely have been during the Dead. That said, the whole thing escaped me then; washing dishes as a Summer job in mid-coast Maine, pretty out of touch. Although I do remember passing up a waitress who wanted me to hitchhike to Pittsburgh w/ her to see the Stones (unless that was the next Summer). Wasn't into Mick and Keef enough to do that, I guess.

5 years later I did get to be friends w/ a guy in Maine who restored Porsche 911's; he'd gone to that festival. He said you could have filled 3 trailer trucks full w/ all the high-end sleeping bags that got left behind.

Last Sunday's NY Times about Playing for Change (hello Norm and Angie): "Its joyous rendition of RR's 'The Weight,' featuring Ringo Starr and about a dozen other singers who were recorded and filmed across five continents, has become a YouTube phenomenon. But this nonprofit organization has a rich collection of world music, making it perhaps the only place these days where people from all over the globe get along."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the Nick

That's Prakash JOHN, not Singh. Prakash was born in Bombay, which is far from the Punjab and has a substantial Christian population, the John clan among them.

That photo would have been, I believe, from '70 or '71, when DCT made a cameo appearance in a feature magazine article on Ronnie Hawkins. Although this photo wasn't used, there was one of DCT onstage wearing, I think, the same shirt. If so, the unseen keyboard player would have been David Foster, and the drummer in the photo would have been Brian Hilton. Hilton stayed in the Hawks for awhile after Foster left, so was in the lineup that included Terry Danko that left Hawkins to go on their own as Bearfoot.


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Posted by:

Pat B

John Lyness, no heresy because it's basically outtakes from ROA and MM along with a few minutes of Garth's CF intro and the second soundcheck/Jam. But this thing was a major Capitol release, complete with a custom CD print and a less than modest booklet. Then there was this malarkey: "drawn from the most complete available tape of the Band's Watkins Glen performance." Turns out it was a puppet show that had sat around for 20 years until someone said, "Let's make some money at the rubes' expense." Says it right on the label: "Produced by The Band".


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: NJ

Subject: Watkins Glen CD

Very interesting finding on the 'Is everybody wet' Watkins Glen material. Several of the songs did appear on the 'Across the Great Divide' box set released in 1994, so I wonder if the appearance of the material on that set spurred Capitol to release the entire album shortly thereafter.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Just one more and then I'm officially on strike.

"How much would you put up with to see THE BAND, Allman Brothers Band, and Grateful Dead? Robbie Robertson recounts the "disastrous" conditions at 1973's Summer Jam at Watkins Glen."

"The Band's set lost much of its impact after the storm's interruption. Many people returned to the campsites to cook up some supper and put on dry clothes. Others began the journey back home. But the Band played on - free-flowing, countrified rock with traditional foundations. The instrumentation was defined and exact; the delivery, sharp and authoritative. The Band represented the antithesis of slickness in the summer of '73. None of their music was souped up or hammered out via record-company formulas. Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Levon Helm, Rick Danko and Richard Manuel offered to rock what the poppish, syrupy bands could not: unadulterated, unpatterned, unmistakable music.' (Excerpted from 'Aquarius Rising: The Concert Festival Years' by Robert Santelli, New York: Delta Books, 1980)."

Have a good weekend everyone. MARIA McKEE and I shall return.

Do not relax on Covid-19. Stay Healthy. Stay Strong.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Watkins Glen

I know it's heresy here, but the Watkins Glen CD is still a fun listen even if compromised by the backstory. The crowd interactions (I know I know) and eclectic setlist give it a loose, summery vibe. Back to Memphis sizzles. It's been ages since I've played it but will pull it out tonight.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pat B... You give good voice. :-D

John D just flashed by......Is that Prakash Singh with Zappa and DCT as well??

Bill M....I walked by the Music Hall on the Danforth yesterday. Huge sign reading TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER SEE YOU SOON. It was here I saw Louuu Reed and Jim Carroll read their poetry. Am I a fortunate daughter or what?! Later I walked by the Hotel Isabella where I saw Paul James many times. Days gone by....

I just asked V if he ever saw The Hawks (not the original members of course) on Yonge Street and to my surprise...He said he saw them one weekend afternoon at The Nickelodeon. At first he thought it was at The Friar's Club. He was a student nearby as you were Bill M and myself. Although all three of us were there at different times. I transferred to the University of Toronto once I received my Diploma in Arts. So many fun and fond memories of taking classes with the Radio and Television students.

Would you believe I first lived at a Women's Temperance Union? I lasted two weeks not because we couldn't drink, but because even my own grandfather couldn't get past the front door! Then I met someone who told me that we should pack up and stay at a Nurse's Residence at TGH. Yup. They knew how to party and especially with the interns. Then I I was told about the Women's Co-Op and saw too many things for such an innocent girl from the Grand River.....My antennae would always be up moving forward....Kevin J likes to hear about my life.....I know very small life but it's mine.....V of course lived in the city so just had to take TTC. He lived around the corner from the Revue Cinema. As it turns out both of us saw matinee movies by ourselves as we're both loners but I can swing to being very social whereas he's more reserved. Kevin J suggested both of you get together for a beer? V likes the occasional beer or he wouldn't be in my orbit if you catch my drift.......but not Canadiana music so you'd have to talk about Ry High I guess. LOL

Ok Kevin J....you can come out now. I won't say another word about Justin's buddy Bill Morneau. Well, I'll try not to.....I am going on strike until you return.

I was only joking, my dear
Looking for a way to hide my fear
What kind of fool was I?
I could never win
Now you ask me if I'm sincere
That's the question that I always fear
Verse seven is never clear.

:-D


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Bill M

Even if it isn't, "Is everybody wet, yet" sounds like a line from "4% Pantomime". They don't perform that song on the mystery album do they?


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Peter V

Thanks, Dag. That would indicate it's the same one very strongly.


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Dag B.

Subject: Watkins Glen

If the timings on the "Is Everybody Wet?" acetate labels are correct, then the disc is just 22 seconds longer than the 1995 CD.


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Peter V

Do we know that "Is Everybody Wet?" was the same as the fake CD?


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Watkins Glen

Link to Pat B's original article on Watkins Glen. I'll re-tell the tale. Virgin Records in Oxford Street. Upstairs over a shoe shop in the days when Sir Richard Branson sold bootlegs before starting a record label, airline and railway company. They had Watkins Glen, a double or triple with the Grateful Dead & Allman Brothers on a couple of tracks. I assume this was the Jam the day before. It was ultra expensive. While we were browsing we listened to virtually the whole of Hall & Oates Abandoned Luncheonette playing on the store's superb sound system.

In those days, we could not afford both.I gravitated to The Band, but Mrs V commented somewhat forcefully on the hours spent listening to the crackle and hiss of the low volume "Waters of Oblivion" (a Basement tapes bootleg) and to the crackle and slight distortion of "Royal Albert Hall" bootleg. We went home with Abadoned Luncheonette, and I must admit it was highly unlikely I'd have ever played the Watkins Glen boot anywhere near as often. It was, and still is, a great album. Even if Hall & Oates rival Santana for worst famous live act I've ever seen.

The existence of an attempted but abandoned record in 1973 (the fake which later became the CD) makes me wonder- that's how boots escape, but on balance I suspect the LPs I saw were the real concert, as they included the Jam.


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Posted by:

Rod

found it - maybe The Works would have been a more interesting project


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Rod

Where is that post by Dag about Watkins Glen? I did read some where quite recently that WG was put together at Shangri-La before The Basement Tapes was released.


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Wallsend

From the Worthpoint website:

ACETATE! IS EVERYBODY WET? is listed as the title. The Band Live At Watkins Glen. NO RESERVE! See scans for label info, but it's dated "1/18/74" and, among other things, has typewritten labels with "Proof," "Wally," "SEQUENCE CHANGED," "SMAS-2-11265" and "SMAS-1-11265" on them. Side 1 of the vinyl has "2+ LK LIVE CONCERT" printed in what looks like a crayon on the lead-out. The vinyl has a few very minor surface marks. I have no idea of the track listings and I'm not going to play it to find out. I assume if you are a fan of The Band you are familiar with the released album and its tracks, but this MAY have different tracks and/or a different sequence. A truly RARE and unique item to add to your Band collection for, perhaps, not very much money, an item that doesn't appear too often (if ever!) on Ebay or anywhere else. The last acetate by The Band went for over $300.00 in an auction 18 months ago /The-Band-Music-From-The-Big-Pink-1968-UK-LP-ACETATE/270380738788.html . No collectors I know own a copy of this acetate, but you could. You won’t see it on Ebay again, and you know it, so bid accordingly.


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Pat B

Well, Dag B has done some excellent investigative work which results in an interesting origin story. The ridiculous Live At Watkins Glen album that came out in 1994 was not an effort by Capitol and Wayne Watkins to clean up the Watkins Glen performance. Nope, it was an actual vinyl album that had been produced in 1973 and was scheduled to be released after Moondog Matinee. It was going to be titled "Is Everybody Wet?" Certainly that explains why the CD was only 44 minutes long. It still is terribly disheartening that the group would foist it on the public. I hope RR addresses this in Testimony Vol. 2. Well done, Dag B, as usual.


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GregD

Subject: Rick D/Terry W

Bill M-thanks for the memories! Hadn't heard Let Go the Line in a long time. I saw Max Webster at a local high school before they had some taste of success (especially with the aforementioned single). Even back then it was evident who the main star in the group was, and Mr. Mitchell likely didn't appreciate that the song wasn't one of his. I believe that Mr. Watkinson is an artist of some particular talent and concentrated on that career after he was tossed from the group.


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Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan covers

BEG: Thanks for the link. Nice to see our guys on the list with "I Shall Be Released". I was taken with the Spirit cover of LARS, though their gentler studio version - at link - may be superior. Spirit's Randy California (who sings here) was in a NYC band with Jimi Hendrix - and also John Hammond Jr sometimes. As Hammond was chummy with both Dylan and the Hawks, I wonder who met whom back then. Despite all of this, no version of LARS that I've heard comes close to Rotary Connection's colonisation of the song.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From David Bowie to Jimi Hendrix: The 20 greatest Bob Dylan covers of all time

Far Out Staff
July 21, 2020

For future reference.... ;-D = Just zooming....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Austin Songwriter Shelley King Pays Tribute to Levon Helm, Imagines His ‘New Drum Set’
King remembers the Band drummer in a whimsical track on her latest album ‘Kick Up Your Heels’
STEPHEN L. BETTS
DECEMBER 26, 2019

How did the writing of “Levon’s New Drum Set” come about?

"On Saturday, I sat outside on the porch and tried to write lyrics. All day long, this storm was gathering over the mountains that you can see right there in Woodstock, Overlook Mountain. It was kind of threatening to rain all day. About the time that the Ramble would have started, had it happened, the storm just cut loose with amazing intensity. There were all of these percussive sounds in the storm. The electricity started going out and coming back on. Next to me on the porch there was a gutter and the water was shooting through the gutter, spraying out on a rock, coming down really heavy. It just hit me, what if this is the Ramble? All the sound I was hearing was so amazing, I thought, what if that’s Levon playing his new drum set?

Of all the songs on the album, though, “Heart of a Girl” probably has the most unique story behind it.

I wrote that about my parents. They re-met again at one of my gigs. They had been divorced since I was a baby and saw each other at one of my shows and started e-mailing each other and meeting up on weekends. Before I knew it, they were in love. Now, they’ve been remarried for 13 years. It’s pretty amazing. My mom was always this kind of tough, independent “I don’t need anyone, I can do it myself” kind of woman.” Then, when I watched her fall in love with my dad again I saw this soft, innocent girl. It was completely beautiful."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I just think the accordion turns the boyzzz on.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Evangeline

Oh boy, I needed that. Sheryl Crow on accordion! Lovely.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sheryl Crow, Levon Helm, Emmylou Harris - "Evangeline" (Live, 196)

Good Night to the music fans who are obsessive at times..... ;-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm, Max Weinberg, Garry Tallent, the Delevantes perform "Rag Mama Rag" at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's 2nd Annual Music Masters honoring Jimmie Rodgers on Sunday, September 21, 1997 at Severance Hall in Cleveland, Ohio.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"The Marley family has launched a reimagined version of Bob Marley’s ‘One Love’ in support of UNICEF’s work with children affected by Covid-19."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth Hudson, “Garth Largo” from Largo (1998): Across the Great Divide


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Terry Watkinson

Greg D: Thanks for the post. Here's Terry Watkinson's vocal on the minor Max Webster hit "Let Go The Line" from the late '70s. Mostly very different - more a controlled mewl like Robbie lots of times - but at times you here his voice let go a bit, and it heads to Rick territory. He left the group shortly after, because rule number 1 in Max Webster seemed to be, "Steal a bit of the spotlight from Kim Mitchell and you're out". No good deed goes unpunished, as some cynics say.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

A Google search of "concert 1998 the bottom line cyndi lauper" turns up a NY Times review of the concert I was thinking of. Sounds like every major Largo contributor was there save Levon.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Yeah, that is the only Largo video I've ever seen, and I stumbled upon it during a Joan Osbourne obsession.

John D, Pat Brennan is my real name. Lenny Pincus is a radio name that stuck in some quarters.

That song is almost all Nux. Just happy to help.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Largo

Love the clip so much. Largo is a real gem of an album. I remember there being a NYC concert around this time (late '98) with a slightly different lineup of the Largo musicians... if memory serves me well, and not sure it does, Cyndi Lauper and Garth were included but not Taj Mahal. Not sure if there were other scattered tour dates. I think I didn't yet have the album in hand and the ticket was pricey and I passed. Wish I'd gone!


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Posted by:

Kevin from NE PA

Subject: Largo - Thanks Pat for that link

When I started frequenting this site in the mid 90's I remember being overwhelmed with all of the great content, especially the Audio and Video.

I also appreciated the Band Members involvement on other projects/LPs for other artists. Largo is probably my favorite of these. While it was great to hear both Levon and Garth on this CD (just Garth on the link Pat posted) I was struck by how good this CD is while flying under the radar.

Again, thanks for that link Pat. I don't believe I have ever seen any Largo video before.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

MARIA McKEE’S ”La Vita Nuova” is a Lush Testament to the Power of Change
Jennifer Kelly
March 12, 2020

“It was a really interesting relationship because he was 18 years older than I was, and we had different fathers. He moved back home when I was eight. He slept on our couch off and on for the rest of his life. He was a constant presence in my life,” she says. When her parents divorced, her brother became the main male influence on her, in good ways and bad. “He had Bipolar 1 with psychotic tendencies. He was a drug addict, crack, heroin, you name it, so I basically became his caretaker, starting as a teenager and tried to keep him alive,” she says.

But on the other hand, MacLean opened up the world to her. “He turned me onto some of my favorite songwriters. He knew I was a singer when I thought I wanted to be an actress and to go to Juilliard and study theater. We used to sneak into art house movies theaters together to see films. He sat me down in front of the TV and made me watch some of the most influential films of my life and told me what to read,” she says.

McKee says that her home life was like a cross between Grey Gardens and the Big Lebowski, and that by the time she reached her late 20s, she had to get away. “I got sober right around that time, and I got into Al-Anon, so I could learn how to process the trauma around being my brother’s caretaker. And got into therapy, got onto medication, got married. Everything changed,” she said. “Then my brother died around that time.”

Now, half a life later, McKee is again in transition, seeking to understand her past but not be consumed by it. The single “Effigy of Salt” is about the dangers of looking back. “I was kind of lost in a reverie a little bit, looking back at past relationships in my youth and what could I have done differently,” she says. “It was good for me because I ended up writing this album, but it can be quite painful if you don’t turn around.”


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Posted by:

GregD

Subject: Rick D/Terry W

Bill M-Thanks for that link to the interesting take by Terry Watkinson with the Yeomen. The lead vocal certainly does sound Danko-ish and I would never have identified it as Watkinson. I'm one of those who associates him most with Max Webster and his lead vocals there (though limited in number) don't have the same timbre. The piano also at times sounds "Richard-ish" to my ears.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

MARIA McKEE

La Vita Nuova

"Instead of a memoir, McKee has written an epic Romantic poem, although La Vita Nuova is less concerned with such professional travails and more interested in the person who endured them. Using Dante as her own Dylan, Blake as her Bowie, McKee adjusts her songwriting and singing to reflect these more recent changes, favoring a florid lyrical style and a dramatic vocal delivery that often verges on the operatic. This is her most commanding performance since Life Is Sweet, not to mention her most resourceful. On “Page of Cups,” which imports her older brother’s folk-rock philosophizing to the British countryside, she rattles off lines that on the page might appear anachronistic: “And I wonder, is it kind?” she chimes, her voice like a bell. “And will it understand that its provision as a practicality gave mechanism to a stunning bit of alchemy?” It’s bracing, even thrilling, to hear her fit all those syllables into such short melodic lines, rushing her phrasing and savoring the jamb of consonants in words like “practicality” and “mechanism.”

Taking its title from Dante’s 13th century meditation on unrequited love, La Vita Nuova depicts the profound upheaval as McKee embraces her new life and ponders what to do with the old one. Her past is the stuff of great rock memoirs. The daughter of California evangelists, she went to high school in Beverly Hills and mingled with future actors and rock stars. She started a band with her older brother Bryan MacLean, whose tenure with the ’60s band Love endeared his sister to aging hippies and record execs. In the mid ’80s, her band Lone Justice, labeled “cowpunk” at the time, scored a hit with “Ways to Be Wicked,” a song written by Tom Petty and Mike Campbell that cast her in an overly sexualized light. As a solo artist she notched a No. 1 hit in the UK with “Show Me Heaven” and stepped into a new role as an alt-country heroine in the early ’90s.

There is excitement over new possibilities in these songs, but there is also something like grief for those left behind. La Vita Nuova is an album full of goodbyes: to her brother on “I Just Want to Know That You’re Okay,” the song most rooted in the bright, generous melodies he brought to Love, and ostensibly to her husband (who co-produced the album with her) on the conflicted closer “However Worn.” But the biggest, if not the fondest, farewell is to her old self, to those parts of herself that weren’t compatible with what she calls her new “fanaticism of a daring kind.” McKee’s vita nuova is sweet, but contains just as many puzzles as her old life."


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Nux and Pat B... :-D
How about all the musicians on this site set up a zoom page?

JULY 6, 2020
Talking Heads Drummer Chris Frantz on His New Memoir REMAIN IN LOVE and the Last Time He Saw David Byrne

“It would be nice if a reunion could happen,” says Frantz as he reflects on his time in the legendary band, “because unlike many of our contemporaries, we’re all still alive”

By ANDY GREENE

So happy to have seen Talking Heads at the Heat Wave Concert. Bill M was no where to be seen. ;-D While many of you were into The Reformed Band some of us were into British musicians via of my older brother. However, it was my age group who grew up with post punk and New Wave. Sometimes I really appreciate the age I am as I had the best of many sounds of music. The better bands for my liking could write songs....Just sayin'.


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Bill M

Web: My link

Nux S and Lenny P: Nice work. Terrific photo montage too.

The fact that the voice sounds like Rick Danko's reminded me of the earliest Danko imitation that I can think of, on "The Chains (That Set Me Free) by the Yeomen (at link) - from 1969. Title-wise, the songwriter-singer, Terry Watkinson, seems to have been inspired by "The Stone I Throw (Will Free All Men). Terry is remembered (if at all) for his great contributions to the first couple Max Webster albums in the '70s, but he'd been playing Yonge Street since the early '60s with Sonny Brite, then (Dee and) the Yeomen. They certainly knew our guys, as Garth had the first Dee and the Yeomen record, from 1964.

This record is on Mainstream because Mainstream had sold Janis Joplin to Columbia and decided to invest some of the proceeds on a talent-scouting expedition north to Toronto. Hence albums by Nucleus and Cathy Young as well as the Yeomen 45.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pat B

Just watched the video. Captured Garth beautifully. I had no idea your real name was Lenny Pincus. You should use that name here. Always liked the name Lenny.


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Posted by:

NUX

Location: Durban,South Africa
Web: My link

Subject: PAT B ON KEYS!

Hi there Band folk.Sorry to post this again.The cool thing about this is it is my first collaboration with PAT B.He kindly added some Garth type keys...very cool.


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Lucinda Williams and Steve Earle

I really like both albums that came out this year.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Steve Earle & Lucinda Williams On Art & Empathy

In this week’s New Yorker, free on line.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Good Morning Kevin. How's going back to work?

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reunions That Actually Happened
Relive three decades of Rock Hall reunions, from Cream to Talking Heads

"Even the magic of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame couldn't convince Levon Helm to share the stage with Robbie Robertson at the Band's induction. There was simply too much bad blood and Levon didn't even show up to the ceremony. Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson and Rick Danko did play together for the first time since The Last Waltz in 1976."

I sent my friend who returned to Nova Scotia (who recently lost her partner) the video of Robbie and brown eyed girl and the photos of us together as it was her home in Newmarket that I discovered The Band's interactive Chat Room late into the night in their basement while everyone was sleeping. At that time I didn't have an interest to post my opinions or reports on the various shows I attended and would attend. Anyway, my friend's response was that if she was to be in a photo or video with a musician it would not be Robbie but....EC. I did see Eric solo my first year in TO and he was totally out of it and with Bonnie Raitt which they did a song together at the end but I cannot remember which one. I do remember the song which seemed to receive the most applause was J.J. Cale's Cocaine and he must have performed Layla....lol........and yes I like his smooth guitar licks as well.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Oh my. Garth with the Largo crew. Animated.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Yeah, they were polar opposite stories, a teeming cowtown overrun by Texan cowboys and saloons versus a railroad hub at the mouth of wilderness mountain range with a small, settled population. Obviously, Dodge City was by far the more emblematic "Wild West" town although it was 400 miles east of Durango.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Pat B. 430 miles apart eh? I was hoping they'd be closer and roll off the tongue like twin cities - Minneapolis-St Paul, Kitchener-Waterloo, Dodge-Durango. Oh well.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, Dodge City was a hopping cow town in Kansas. It was the terminus of the Chisholm and Great Western trails that brought tens of thousands head of cattle from Texas north to the Santa Fe trail and RR. It became an insane, violent town that catered to cowboys who had just got paid and had money to burn along with gunfighters who enjoyed the lawlessness. Durango, Colorado is 430 miles west of Dodge City. It was a RR terminus for the mines north in the San Juan Mountains. The Million Dollar Highway loops through there, one of the most beautiful and dangerous roads in the US.

BEG, I've long stopped rolling my eyes at you.


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Posted by:

Bill M

For subliminal reasons that I have no say in, Cohen's "Suzanne" has been the weekend earworm. Perhaps because I've been drinking a lot of tea because of the very hot weather. Anyway, in my mind the tea in the song always comes from a place pronounced the agent-orange way, kinda rhyming with 'hyena'.

Speaking of sorta rhymes, but heading back to "Cahoots", I note that the TMSO couple heads to Durango, presumably because it sorta rhymes with 'triangle'. Bob Dylan, in "Romance in Durango", rhymes it with 'fandango', which is best known to most of us thanks to "Bohemian Rhapsody".

BtW, does Durango have anything to do with the Dodge City that appears in Hollywood westerns?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"A fab rarity from Maria Mckee and the 1993 cd single for 'I can't make it alone'. The Ian Hunter penned 'I wish I was your mother' was originally found 20 years earlier on Mott The Hoople's LP 'Mott'.

Ian Hunter had entered my radius back in '75 when 'Once bitten twice shy' was a big hit in Australia. Maria McKee invests her requisite power and range into the song."

Maria McKee
I Wish I Was Your Mother

Oooooh I wish I was your mother
I wish I'd been your father
'n then I would have seen you
Would have been you as a child
Played houses with your sisters
And wrestled with all your brothers
And then who knows
I might have felt a family for a while


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Meet Moe Tucker from the VU...Maureen that is!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

PLAYLIST

10 Women in Jazz Who Never Got Their Due

We’re often taught to think of jazz’s history as a cavalcade of great men and their bands, but from its beginnings the music was often in the hands of women. Listen to some of the greatest.

I never think of the Portuguese language being part of romance languages at all as it's very harsh sounding to my ears. Now the French language....I could listen to it all day long. I am practising my French on Duolingo.com because it's free. Since I heard three languages at home I can barely speak one so I try and let the music I share do most of the talking....but of course I get easily distracted and go off on my connections and tangents. It is what it is. Right NOMADIC MIKE?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Thanks for the Poor Souls tip, which I must check out. What's the title of the song still popular in Dundee? As for soccer-football, I love watching it but don't follow it or care who wins - so I don't know the Dunga name (or anyone else's except Messier (sp?). Still, keep up with the attempts at humour; I'm sure many here caught the reference.

There's Canadian football, and there's American football, a close cousin, but with a smaller field and more tries (downs) - and other minor differences. And Australian football, I believe. So a separate Brazilian football didn't seem a stretch.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Heritage Auctions is currently auctioning a rocking chair that Louie Kemp sat on on stage for every stop of Bob/Band's Tour '74. Go to ha dot com, search 'kemp chair'. Kinda funny.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Nice shot.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Brazil is a country in Latin America, Bill. Football is a sport played by two teams of 11 players.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

I was attempting humour, Bill, relating my typo to the great Brazilian soccer player, Dunga.

If you go over to my Toppermost on Lesley Duncan, there is a You Tube clip on the Poor Souls. You’ll see why I was quizzing you about them last month, Bill, trying to find out what happened to band members. Thanks. It was only one band member who went to Canada. This song remains relatively popular, receiving 140 views in the last few weeks from the Dundee area of Scotland where the band began, on another website.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Brazilian football qu'est-que c'est?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Dunca is my Brazilian foortball name, Kevin.

Disappointing to hear about the Lucinda Williams album, Peter. It’s on my list.

Lesley Duncan has taken me into Dusty Springfield.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...last one for now...For all of you who are in dire need of black coffee.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My guess is that most of you will be having a lazy Sunday afternoon.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Good Morning Kevin...Every day is like Sunday.

Bill M...Nope.

I know I've been posting on The Band site too much again when:

1. I talk too much about Kevin J. ;-D
I give too many compliments to the male posters.
I am obsessed with MARIA McKEE.
I post videos for Band posters when all they have to do is ask Jan the Man. If any problems I will vouch for you as a real fan.
I overshare but every story is actually true.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Lucinda

I listened to Lucinda’s new album and I love the music but agree with Peter-her voice sounds pretty messed up. Sounds cigarettey-is she a smoker? We still differ on Dylan. On the last tour he sounded great.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Garth

I agree that Garth is too often the forgotten member. Perhaps his absence from any role in controversy or in these ridiculous feud discussions that some here obsessively focus on ends up minimizing his role. Garth was the greatest musician in the group and possibly the greatest musician in rock music but remains basically,an unknown. His album of favorite Band songs played by others is a first rate album.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lucinda Williams

Anyone heard Good Souls, Better Angels by Lucinda Williams? I'm finding the croak and phlegm in her voice and the hissing sibilance make it virtually unlistenable. I thought my Bowes & Wilkins computer speakers had gone wrong and blown, but then I tried it on my main system and it's the same. She's right up to the mic and it's distorting, plus her voice is so far shot. It makes Bob Dylan sound like a young and healthy singer in comparison.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: I agree that Garth should not be neglected. In our general defence I will note that Rod, Peter V and I posted short notes re some of his solo recordings just yesterday (Friday). I've said it a bunch of times before, but will say again that my favourite Garthwork is "Our Lady Queen of Angeles" - even including the readings by Charlton Heston, which I imagine he delivered while gripping a rifle.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Garth

Does anyone know how Mr. Hudson is doing? God dammit, but it always seems like he's the odd man out of most conversations concerning the boys.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Thank you, BEG ! Sweet dreams.

3 signs I am spending too much times here:

1.) I worry who Dunca might be...

2.) I worry when Peter V goes more than a day without posting...

3.) I now know more about BEG’s family than my own !


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: The politics of the heavily Ukrainian-Canadian Bloor West Village would have suited V's family's politics to a tee, it seems to me. The next pocket east, High Park, is a bit more liberal, but there've been lots of eastern Europeans since the end of WW2, including the Nagurskis whose daughter Wanda has been married to Ronnie Hawkins for almost 60 years. When I spoke to him by phone in the '70s he was always at the Nagurski home on High Park Avenue, where he and Wanda lived (with a sibling and her nieces and nephews judging by the background noise) when Ronnie was working in town.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For KEVIN J....

Deep in your dark eyes
Deep where the daylight searches
I keep waitin' and waiting'
About a moment of gold
Breakin' in my
Breakin' in my
Breakin' in my
Breakin' in my heart.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Maria McKee - Am I the Only One (Who's Ever Felt This Way?)

I saw that PAT B! Yes I did....You are rolling your eyes thinking.....We had to put up with all her Louuuu Reed posts and now she's obsessed with MARIA McKEE. I also just realized that V's nephew and niece have her last name. Well....I'm all about connections ya know....but you knew that.

The sexiest part of a man is his mind.....brown eyed girl

Second sexiest part of a man is his arms....NBA style that is. ;-D
brown eyed girl


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Posted by:

Dunca

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks, Northwestcoaster. I enjoyed the song. Perhaps it might have been better if the drummer hadn’t strutted his stuff. That might be personal bias as I was part of that generation who stopped going to shows when we had to sit through 15 minute drum solos. I did return to see shows and went on to see many great acts. Garth is good at polkas.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Last 3:

“1880 or so” - Television ( for fans of guitar - do google Television on Jools Holland. Jools is dubbed in Spanish and he’s so much easier to take that way....but the treat is seeing Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd play. It will make your day )

“Stalingrad” - Tom Verlaine

Breakin My Heart - Tom Verlaine

On Justin Trudeau and articulation......It frustrates me as well and had his Dad been alive when he entered public life - you can be sure that that would have been corrected....BUT...worth noting English is his second language - so is French in a way in that he suffers from what many kids do who were raised speaking two languages simultaneously. They tend to stumble a bit in both.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

'Never released, recorded by Lone Justice around '87, shortly before they split up.

"Hold me in your arms when they drop the bomb, kisses on my forehead and a country song, and we'll blow up with a smile."

Maria McKee - Friends For A While

V's Ma has a connection with Rick Danko. That's right. Out of five children in a well to do banking family; her family chose the two youngest to leave in the middle of the night and never return for many, many years. She was 18. First country they settled in was Germany. She looked after other people's children and did their chores. When they made it to Canada. First stop was tobacco country in Ontario where Rick was from. Yup. She picked tobacco and met her partner in life. She had dreams of becoming a dentist. Her partner was a brew master at one of our huge beer refineries....V had summer jobs there. His father passed in his early seventies due to cigarettes. I tried smoking in grade 6. Yuck!!!!!

V's Ma could always ask for what she wanted and needed. My Ma expected nothing and unfortunately it became her reality in Canada. She had a better life in Europe but fell in with a man who looked like a movie star and was an athlete. Even at my Ma's funeral women came up to me and instead of sharing condolences; told me how good looking my father was and how everyone wanted to be his girl. Unfortunately he had a disease and my mother's marriage was only five years.....

Anyway, V's family ended up living in the West End of Toronto in their three story house; the top floor was taken by a family friend's son who was studying medicine. He became a physician for the elderly. Every Mother's Day he'd take V's Ma and his Ma to the Old Mill for brunch in his Bentley. I always wanted to ask him if he liked Keith Richards but thought better of it. lol


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Posted by:

NWS

Subject: Language

Agrarian. Sorry.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Feminism in folk music

I have posted earlier how my grandma's second cousin made an ancient folk song popular in the sixties. (Actually, he toured regularly in Minnesota, Wisconsin and North Dakota among Finnish loggers and lumberjacks.) He had small roles in over fifty movies mainly because he was a carpenter in film studios... This is from one of the movies and the song is this particular 'Ievan polkka' (Eva's polk).

Just google: 'ievan polkka lumberjack band 1952'

A funny thing happened: with the power of the internet this song became popular in another shape: a shuffle dance in Australia or a song for Japanese virtuel popartist Hatsuke Miku. But this is another story...

This was meant to be about feminism. And it is! - Semi-feminist groups has taken it in their live repertoire after a beer or two. The song tells about Eva who is an independent and strong young woman in agraric society of the 19th century (sexually active too, but we don't pay any attention to it because this is a family friendly site). This is just one example. These girls have Master's degree from Sibelius Academy and are really HOT.

Just google: 'IEVAN POLKKA. Kuunkuiskaajat.HimosFolk´10.MOV'


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Drama

Drama teacher? Born 1971. Poor articulation and breath control? That figures. Mrs V is a qualified drama teacher, but qualified before Trudeau was born. It means she knows how every sound is made, breath control, projection, articulation etc. They stopped teaching all that. I did this in a film review, but in 1985 0r 1986 we were filming a video with Avril Angers, a famous 1950s / 1960s actress. We had a 15 year old actor who was at a specialist drama school (so born circa 1971, like Mr Trudeau). Avril was appalled to discover he mumbled and he had no breathing control, nor any idea of articulation or voice projection. She spent the two week shoot teaching him. He said he learned more from her between takes than he’d ever learned at drama school. Drama schools started focussing on TV / film where traditional stage projection causes problems. You need to know how to do both. When I was doing lectures to large audiences, I always went outside and did 10-15 minutes of slow deep breathing exercises before I spoke … it also lowers my natural fairly high pitch. You also need lessons on using a microphone. Important stuff.

David Tennant is an excellent example - he can project to the whole hall on stage as Richard II, then do Broadchurch whispering next to the camera.


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Posted by:

Lisa

I'd forgotten about JT being a drama teacher, but it's so relevant because he has increasingly struck me as an actor posing as a politician. All that shame-faced sincerity ... I made a mistake, I'm sorry ... good grief! Although he could definitely use a vocal coach - unless he's reading from a teleprompter he can't get through a single sentence without a couple "ahs" and gasping every time he takes a breath. It got so bad during the months of the Justin Trudeau Morning Show that I couldn't stand watching any more and had to turn him off. I don't know how he keeps getting away with it, but he does. And it's not that I started out anti-Trudeau, I've just become very disillusioned.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

JQ, I love Elvis and early rock and roll. But, my experience with it is very different than yours. I certainly appreciate the fact the Elvis i particular was a revolutionary cultural phenomenom when he burst into public consciousness via appearances on Ed Sullivan, Steve Allen and the Dorsey Brothers shows in 1956. Elvis was a once in a generation figure. There were plenty of other great early rockers around at that same, but none of them came close to having the same impact as Elvis.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SEPTEMBER 15, 2015
NICK DERISO
The Band’s overlooked, imperfect Cahoots held a few musical treasures

For brown eyed girl it held a couple of treasures.

Empowering students and teachers at WE events...no more. Justin and Bill sure know how to apologize easily for the third time. As for Jagmeet jumping up and down....He joined my Skipping Club! He was actually in my hood recently riding his bike while wearing one of those very expensive suits. He worked hard on learning to speak French. It's his third language. He can call Justin on his white trust fund privilege in all three languages!

Here's one example of how privilege is so engrained in the wealthy. One summer I worked with pre-schoolers. One of the kidzzz was always wearing clothing from France. His father offered his home to us a beautiful condo by Harbourfront so the kidzzz could use the pool. He was showing us around his place and then he took us into I think it was a playroom? On the wall was a photograph. He pointed to the photograph and told all of us that his son would be attending that school one day. It is the most prestigious one...Upper Canada College. When we would go by one of the businesses his family owned when we'd take walks in the Eglinton/Yonge area he'd literally call out, "MINE!" He was three/four years old and already he was being groomed to have confidence and privilege.

Jakob Dylan had said in an interview that he was living on his trust fund while attending Parson School of Design. Some rock stars have complained? were disappointed? that their children don't have the drive and the passion as they did. Gee could it be because they made it on their own via hard work, some luck, huge talent.....and their children were given everything and were so protected as well as having a trust fund like Justin and children of famous and wealthy musicians? Of course there are exceptions.....Btw, how long was Justin a drama teacher? Also, really enjoyed his mother's autobio which I found lying around outside of a store where books are dumped off. Just sayin'........


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: American (willful) ignorance and Moondog Matinee

Kevin - You’re right, right, right! And our ignorance, fake patriotism, fake Christianity, greed and fear define most of us these days. It’s likely getting worse & marked since Reagan’s agenda arrived. The Irish are great on American history and current events too; any Dublin cabbie can give a lesson. Brits too I suspect.

Ben - It’s true that MM was not earth shattering but when that music was original it totally changed the world. For me, growing up when that music was new in 50’s, I can’t begin to articulate its impact on me and that impact has lasted my lifetime and set me up to evolve in my tastes. On that, I’ve been enjoying Elvis’ pre-Army stuff recently - the opposite of evolution I guess.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

JQ.....I agree about the impact on RR’s development as a writer. And I recall Robbie noting in the past about how watching Bob was like a light going off for him in that area of creating.

Though, I think the biggest impact Bob had on Robbie and the boys was being taken off the road and put on salary for such an extended time which really allowed them to relax and develop. Imagine 2 years off at that age. It must have felt like 10 years.

As to politics and Justin, I think Bill M got it about right. I would add that I doubt the US will ever will be outward looking enough to be influenced by any foreign leader - ever. Even knowing the names of more than two foreign leaders at a time would challenge the vast majority of US citizens. I’m not being insulting - that’s just the truth and it stems from educational and media set-ups that focus almost exclusively on USA content at the expense of providing an international perspective. Talk to any bum on the street in Canada and he could tell you how many states in the union, who the President was and where the Whitehouse was located. Contrast that with 9 out of 10 US born PHD students in the US not knowing how many provinces there are in Canada. And it gets worse! It’s actually almost charming and it doesn’t really bother most Canadians. It’s just what it is.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

JQ, MM is nothing earth shattering, it didn't change the course of popular western culture or inspire Eric Clapton and George Harrison to stop what they were doing and pull a 180. But, it's a hell of an enjoyable listen. There's not a weak performance on the album. 'Promised land', 'Mystery train' with additional verse, 'third man theme', and 'The great pretender' are my faves, but I really like the entire album.

I disagree with your comment about Levon's solo work. I'm a big fan of the RCO All-stars. The studio album and live album are very well played and highly enjoyable. The two self titled solo albums are middling, but 'American Son' is quite good. Of course, Levon's later albums are exceptional with 'Dirt Farmer' being a masterpiece.

Joe, I have the King Biscuit radio CD, but haven't listened to it in many years. It's the Carter baron show from the 76 tour. It's been heavily bootlegged and there is a grey area version available on amazon. I have several different versions of it and it's a great performance. I think the version of 'Dixie' is pretty amazing and superior to the version from the last waltz a few months later. 'The last moving shadows' is a great set. The Band's set on disc 2 from the Lonestar in NYC is quite strong. The recording is imperfect, the guitar is relatively low in the mix, but at least the Cates were long gone and this is a five man lineup: Levon, Rick, Richard, Garth and Jim Weider. Some great covers, including three from MM. Defintely worth seeking out, if you haven't heard this one.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Dylan’s Band comments

Hi Kevin - I think you’re right and Moondog Matinee gives a great taste of what they were. Something to consider is whether JRR would have written his great stories and lyrics if he hadn’t hung out with Dylan for a couple years. What Dylan wrote was so original compared to early R&R and R&B lyrics. So it doesn’t make sense to me that Dylan would question something like King Harvest when that’s what he was doing too and the Band was obviously influenced by. The whole basement era with Dylan created the bones of MFBP and Brown. I think Bob is just full of shit and provocations in most interviews.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: Lost Gems

All this talk of Band records sent me back to an old radio DJ promo disc, King Biscuit Boy Flower Hour. I had not played that disc in close to 10 years (I think). I commend to all Garth's version of The Genetic Method. It has a very "churchy" feel. I really enjoy it. Next up, The Last Moving Shadows, reunited Band live boot. joe


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Hold on....Dylan is not criticizing The Band Brown album but simply reflecting an opinion that countless thousands of people have - especially those that saw the boys on Yonge Street back in the day - that they were brilliant at playing R & B and R n R covers with everyone of them, especially Richard firing on all cylinders. Talk to most people who had seen them play during that period and they were shocked and disappointed when they first heard MFBP as it was nothing like they were used to hearing. That, of course, is what made it so special and that whole transformation in their sound is beautifully described in "Once Were Brothers".....Levon arrives back after a couple of years away and Robbie plays him the rough mixes of MFBP and he is stunned at what he hears...


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Band covers vs originals

I don’t get any criticism of the Brown Album, to me still my favorite all time album. I don’t think you can really trust anything Dylan says in interviews - he never stops messing - and his criticism of Brown makes no sense. But in the context of the Cahoots convo here I think, after Brown, their albums became more spotty with a couple great tracks and then filler that, to my taste, just didn’t sound that great. Every good writer has a creative hot spot and JRR’s creativity seemed to wane steadily after Brown. However any covers they did were uniformly brilliant: Masterpiece, Atlantic City, both of Levon’s last 2 were filled with magnificent covers and likewise his Ramble set lists, all far superior to his earlier simple solo stuff, with banal blues covers, by any measurement.


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Posted by:

Bill M

I note that Bob got his Nobel for literature, not common sense.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Dylan on The Band doing covers....

Bob Dylan on The Band and why he probably liked Moondog Matinee as well:

"The Band had their own sound, that’s for sure. When they were playin’ behind me, they weren’t the Band; they were called Levon and the Hawks. What came out on record as the Band — it was like night and day. Robbie [Robertson] started playing that real pinched, squeezed guitar sound — he had never played like that before in his life. They could cover songs great. They used to do Motown songs, and that, to me, is when I think of them as being at their best. Even more so than “King Harvest” and “The Weight” and all of that. When I think of them, I think of them singin’ somethin’ like “Baby Don’t You Do It,” covering Marvin Gaye and that kind of thing. Those were the golden days of the Band, even more so than when they played behind me."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Moondog Matinee

Hi Ben - I agree with you on MM, great song choices, arrangements and performance. Not to take anything away from their original material but they were a top notch cover band too. If memory serves I think Dylan remarked on that similarly too, around the MFBP time.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Yes - the Moonstruck Ones episode is one of the best GB bits of all time. The thought of the group photo still makes me smile. Was that Dave Z's work? Or Brien Sz's?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cahoots

I went back to my article from over twenty years ago on Cahoots (linked). I still remember the lampoon on The Moonstruck Ones that took off. In the article, I suggest that Old Shep is a better song than The Moon Struck One if you like that sort of thing.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Eurovision: Song Contest, the Story of Fire Saga

Review of the Netflix Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga. Some of my favourite films recently have been on Netflix. I’ve very carefully avoided any plot spoilers nor let any funny lines creep in. It’s highly entertaining … Will Ferrell, Rachel McAdams, Dan Stevens star. I’ve also explained Eurovision for readers outside Europe. I loved the film from beggining to end.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

haso...V will continue to be put on notice. I cannot believe 16 years later.....

Bill M...Uhhh what about Justin's buddy Bill Morneau? Huh? Sheesh! He couldn't even remember that he has a Chateau in France. Before the Pandemic I was having my fave egg burrito at 519 Church Street and there was Bill at the window table having his breakfast. I thought should I stay or should I go? I stayed and just observed as he hadn't finished his coffee yet....So thought better of interrogating him on his lapse of memory. Btw it was his father's company that tried to help the South American with his issues but unfortunately you're only allowed six sessions.

British guitarist analyses 'The Band' live in 1970!

The Band back in 1970 performing 'The Weight'!

Kevin and Ben...V's niece is a natural blonde and Harvard educated. Is it ok that she votes Green Party?


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Cahoots

I've appreciated the discussion about 'Cahoots' over the past couple of days. We all have a different history and relationship with the music. I think that if the first 4 Band albums were released in the opposite order with 'Cahoots', being first and 'Big Pink' being 4th, the general view of 'Cahoots' would be much better.

That being said, I will take 'Moondog Matinee' over 'Cahoots' eight day a week. I think MM is the under the radar gem in the Band's catalog that doesn't get much attention or appreciation.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks PV and Rod. I will drag out "Sea to the North" for a listen. Always liked it anyway, but it's always good to listen to specific songs that others have mentioned.

In the meantime, in response to JQ, I'd say that Justin runs a pretty good government but must be one of those people who have to keep life interesting by taking totally unnecessary risks. He doesn't seem surrounded by dolts and/or sycophants, so I assume he does this stuff without benefit of advice from trusted and trustworthy quarters.

And to others discussing "Cahoots", I suggest that "Smoke Signal" is very strong lyrically, even if the last verse, while strong by itself, seems less integral to the whole than the other verses are. Also, it, like the album in general, really shows off Garth and Robbie's playing - though Rick and Levon are always worth listing to. The singers all sing well, but not so much as brothers in cahoots. Maybe it was difficult to get them into the studio at the same time, i.e., to do backup or harmony vocals as opposed to lead vocals. So, a sign of things to come.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sea to the North

It may be my second-most played one. First is French Girls. Both Garth. They are both on a late night relaxing playlist that is used often.


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Posted by:

Rod

I'm going to go out on a limb before the inevitable happens and say that the title track from Garth's The Sea To The North is the the best thing any of the guys released after TLW.


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Posted by:

Rod

The Laughing Gnome? I still like that song even if it is silly.

I have a soft spot for Shoot Out as well. With the exception of The Brown album there are tracks I would skip over on all their albums if I could be bothered finding the remote.


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Doug

If I were to make up a list of Band songs that I like, but no one else seems to, no. 1 would be Shootout in Chinatown.

On the negative, it is clearly no better then a B grade Robbie song in terms of lyrics, maybe worse than B. But it is one of the diminishing number of songs after the first three albums to feature all three vocalists, has a great tune with a catchy chorus and Garth shines. I even like the Chinese guitar sound - guitars don't always have to follow the Berry or Sumlin templates.

No. 2 on my list would be Rags & Bones.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: cahoots, etc

Angie: interesting situation w/ V. Sometimes there's no accounting for where & how people get to their political points-of-view. Some in our family are just as likely to support a.o. (agent orange: Spike Lee & Billy Crystal's name for him; I personally don't think it deserves capitalizing and is certainly most accurate. His color at any given time AND a defoliant that kills people... that about captures it), and these relatives are pretty bright. Maybe latently racist in a few cases, but anyway, paraphrasing Kevin... love conquers all. I can say for sure, here in the States, there are many couples and families w/ real serious dichotomies when it comes to him and his minions.

I recall my initial reactions to Cahoots not unlike the range expressed here. It was very clear to me, w/out even reading any reviews, that the songwriting felt like a strain. You had the feeling RR was kind of played out. Later, I thought the picture on the back of the lp, w/ all their eyes closed, maybe captured more than we tended to know at the time about where they were collectively. That said, sort of like Kevin, RoA brought me (not to them, but) back, after feeling sort of let down by Cahoots. I think a few of the songs connected some; certainly LiaC, a little bit Smoke Signals, Masterpiece, even Volcano. But Moon and Shootout went nowhere I thought at the time; only Garth's North Country compilation gave me a bit more appreciation for Moon. I would agree w/ whoever said it earlier, I always wondered why The River Hymn never showed up, or not very often, in their live stuff. As much as I played Daniel's Harp from SF a lot for a few years, the Hymn seemed more accessible.

And that secondly said, I was certainly one of those that didn't see Stage Fright as a HUGE come down. At the time, seemed like many did. I mean it's not the 1st 2, but how many groups would have been happy w/ one of those in their career. Especially when it came to the respect of peers.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: J Trudeau

A little politics, scroll on.

A question for my Canadian friends here:

What’s with this guy and these unnecessary fuck-ups? I think a lot of us down here were really hopeful he could thwart or moderate Canadian conservatism. But is it a case of charisma-only and not much substance? Otherwise you all are happy with his approach to Covid there, his Trump management and environmental stances, right?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

What a clip of The Guess Who. Thank you, BEG. And to think they are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Burton Cummings.....One of the true great singers in rock music ever. And cases of great songs he and Randy Bachman wrote....I had forgotten how good he looked without that moustache.

As to Justin Trudeau..History will judge the political leaders of today by how they protected their citizens and managed the global pandemic Covit 19. The USA has had more Covit 19 infections in the last 2 days than Canada has had since the pandemic started. One leader set an example of relying on his medical experts and setting standards of mask wearing and isolation. The clown south of us did the opposite and the results have been tragic. If he along with that grossly sycophantic excuse for a human VP get re-elected then I will have lost all hope in the US. It just can’t happen....but it might.

Jagmeet......Oh My......has he stopped jumping up and down yet ?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Were you laughing at me?

"The Guess Who perform 'Laughing' from December 14, 1969. The kids have always used music as a force for change. From The Who to Carole Pope, CBC has showcased remarkable performances from groundbreakers and boundary pushers who challenged the status quo."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

“Crying Laughing Loving Lying” - Rod Stewart

Dan.....I enjoyed your remembrances of how songs can connect to family in some circumstances. A couple of additional thoughts relating to ROA. That was the album that brought me to The Band. Around the same time, just about everyone I knew also had the “Best ofThe Band” white a album in their home.....then a year or so later, out comes The Last Waltz and I was convinced that every song these guys did was perfect. Some years later, I went back and purchased the stand alone albums Brown and Stage Fright and I was then sure they were perfect ! Alas, a little while later when hearing Cahoots and even some other material - it came as a shock to me that even the mighty Band were capable of writing and releasing not so great songs.

Also, Sebastian Robertson let us know some years back that the “Coca Cola” line was Robbie’s.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

KEVIN J... You are correct unfortunately. When he makes comments about BLM; I remind him of his heroes Muddy Waters and Miles Davis. I guess he gives Miles a pass as his father was a dentist. Virgil's maternal family in Europe were bankers so he's very conservative. It was fine when he didn't talk at all about politics. I told him if I was in the USA and Sanders was a choice he'd be mine except he doesn't quite understand our health system. I can receive a health plan via of work and see a Naturopath and pay out of pocket and receive 80% in return and use my Ontario Health Insurance card to see my physician anytime. He makes it sound like you have to give up your work insurance plan. No! Not in Canada! Anyway, Virgil's intelligence doesn't necessarily equate with good choices....I'm high maintenance so you give me too much credit. His family called me a Communist. I said no I am NDP the party that represents organized labour, unorganized labour, small business, intelligentsia......They liked me anyway as my career was secure and has a good pension......Btw, how's your entitled friend Justin?! My brother says Jagmeet wears very expensive suits...He would notice these things.

PAT B... Deena and the Laughing Boyzzz...I'm 18 via Alice Kooper via Vince Furnier...At one time he was a good sprint runner?

JED... My diagnosis at one time but complex. I told my dentist this time to gradually lower the NO in the last five minutes so I wouldn't crash like a drug addict. I only use four times a year unless I have other issues. I HAVE to have it as I've had many surgeries so even a cleaning is so painful. The buzz...is a bonus of course. ;-D

DAN...You write well. Thank you. I only appreciate two songs on Cahoots. I bet you can guess which ones as anyone can.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Subject: Laughter

Bob Dylan, "The Cough Song"


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Peter.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ha ha ha, hee hee hee

Ahh, the British. It wasn't the music that made them great, until the '60s that is. To be clear, the 1960s.

In the same vein, but forced laughter rather than lyrics about laughter, there's "Little Brown Jug".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lesley Duncan

Link to Dunc's Toppermost piece on Lesley Duncan. Go and have a look. A seriously under-rated artist.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Laughing Policeman

The first song that comes to most British people when songs about laughing are mentioned.


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Posted by:

Dan

Subject: Cahoots

Three generations of us were having a pizza lunch when Up on Cripple Creek started playing. From the first note, the warmth, space, teamwork and playfulness of the song swept through. Individually great, but together that ineffable unrepeatable and wondrous mix that does repeat, inviting us in through the rest of the album to a shared experience. A ticket to our common chords, Levon Helm singing “I guess I’ll call up my big mama and tell her that I’ll be rollin’ in” is really not much different from my Dad’s laughing when he reminisces last night about childhood summers in the Catskills, when the Dads would drive up on Friday nights and he’s a child listening to the bed springs going up and down. And it hits me that Cahoots are the same guys but a closed universe where the music becomes taut, inflexible, cold and closed too many times. A lost language, occasionally capturing shards from the past only to quickly lose the connection. Great songs like When I Paint My Masterpiece sung solo, Helm waiting for the absent Danko harmony on “oh, to be back in the land of Coca Cola.” It’s as if all of them realize that they can’t get back there. Notes and words as space fillers but there is no space and no landing. And, try as I can, there are only a few songs that connect and the rest of the album does not invite me back. That's what makes Rock of Ages so great, like it all came back. On the Live at the Academy when Danko does join in on "Dirty Dan, he came up from Savannah."


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: CAHOOTS!!!

I join lovers of Cahoots. - While The Brown Album "is like chamber music" (RAGTIME said that) Cahoots "should be played out loud" (SUNDOG said that). Very powerful opening, yes ROD, but very stark ending too.

Let me be poetic: Cahoots starts with violent sounds of mountain streams - continues with furious sounds of the cities and rural sounds from the country - ends with lazy sounds by the lazy river heading to Gulf of Mexico.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Wasn't there a "Laugh" song on "More of the Monkees" - probably our family's first 'rock' LP growing up, but now long gone. It's always interested me that the Butterfield Blues Band covered "Mary Mary" on "East-West", suggesting that at least one of the group had the album too.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG-nitrous oxide/Cahoots

I love Cahoots-a very beautiful album with its share of flaws. One flaw is it wasn’t as earthshaking as the first two albums. Nonetheless a special album that exceeds so much music that would be released after it. And Nitrous is being studied as a treatment for ptsd. Works very short term. The concept is good but MDMA and psilocybin are superior in efficacy and outcome. That’s why the FDA is fast tracking our research.Much is finally changing as the mental health crisis in the USA has become overwhelming. Nitrous may still play a small role as pharm companies develop synthetics and analogs. Cahoots is still a great gift!


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Posted by:

Pat B

For BEG.

"Laugh, Laugh" The Beau Brummels

"Laughing" The Guess Who

"Laughing at Life" Tony Bennett

"Listen For The Laugh" Bruce Cockburn

"Laugh At Me" Sonny & Cher


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Last 3:

“The KKK Took My Baby Away” - The Ramones

“Sheena is a Punk Rocker” - The Ramones

“I Wanna Be Sedated” - The Ramones

BEG......I’m thinking that the chances of your man taking the rest of the afternoon over some beers while listening to Cahoots in an effort to better understand Bill M’s “Titles” theory are slim.......oh well, he may be the only man on the planet who can both like the Orange Clown ( if I understand that correctly ) and Jazz.....seems an impossible combination....but....he obviously loves you - so he does have something special.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Catch Us If You Can / Having A Wild Weekend

I saw the debut of this movie at the RKO movie theater in Yonkers, New York. Dave Clark make a guest appearance at the beginning of the movie. I think my buddy and I were the only males in the audience, or close to it. Someone threw a stuffed animal at Dave and it cut a hole in the movie screen. We watched the movie with that hole in the screen.

I never knew what the movie was about because the audience continually screamed through it. The one thing I do remember is that I saw actors in the movie with the longest hair that I ever saw on guys in 65/66 (not sure the date that it hit the US).

I'd like to see it again (and hear it for the first time). I will check out some of the streaming services to see if its in circulation. Thanks for the memories Peter. joe


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Catch Us If You Can / Having A Wild Weekend

Review of The Dave Clark Five in Catch Us If You Can (1965) in the 60s Retrospective series. While the debt to A Hard Day’s Night is obvious, it was a successful film in its own right (retitled Having A Wild Weekend in the USA). Dave Clark chose the director (It was John Boorman’s first feature film) and screenwriter, Peter Nichols. Barbara Ferris co-starred. Black and white, and very unusually it’s a comedy chase drama, with a Dave Clark Five soundtrack, but no songs are performed, sung or mimed on film


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

WTF....Virgil just came into the second bedroom while MARIA MCKEE was singing so I asked what he thought of her. Ugh! Ugh! Nope he thinks her voice is too squeaky!!! Hey her brother learned to swim in Elizabeth Taylor's pool.....Who cares! Right! Her mother was a flamenco dancer and artist. Who cares! Right! She wrote the song with Robbie Robertson. Who ares! Well......She writes her own songs!!!! Who Cares! I DO!!!

Anyway, between all these comments and his fondness for the Clown...Yiiikes! I will have to rethink everything....as I'm nobody's child. Yiiiikes!!!!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Kevin! Well...I was having nitrous oxide (laughing gas) yesterday...dental cleaning. My dentist has to do it as new rules concerning NO. Well....Kevin....I never laugh!! I just get totally buzzed with my music on and she is cleaning away.....but......yesterday I couldn't stop laughing my head off!!...I was thinking about the funny things you post....and then I continued to laugh seeing Virgil in my mind and he was so embarrassed.......He's more reserved than I am. And then I would laugh even harder as he's always concerned about appearances....Ha ha, ha.......Anyway, MARIA McKEE was there with us. Of course Virgil never heard of her.....He then asks me if I know all these obscure jazz and blues musicians and of course I don't know them....

Playlist at Dental Office

Sweet Jane...Lone Justice
Panic Beach...Maria McKee
Why Wasn't I More Grateful (When Life Was Sweet)...Maria McKee
Am I The Only One (Who's Ever Felt This Way?)...Maria McKee
I'm Gonna Soothe You...Maria McKee
The Way Young Lovers Do...Maria McKee
Show Me Heaven...Maria McKee
Shelter...Lone Justice
Ways To Be Wicked...Lone Justice
My Lonely Sad Eyes...Maria McKee

Nobody's Child...Maria McKee and Robbie Robertson


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Hideout

Pat B - Sorry I got the venue’s name wrong.


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Posted by:

Rod

Cahoots has the strongest two opening songs of any Band album except The Band. To borrow a cricket term it has a long tail and I rarely get much past Thinking Out Loud (which I like). You've got to wonder why they didn't use Bessie Smith or Katies Been Gone. I'd still pick it over Jericho and the 90's albums but much prefer Islands.


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Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, I love Robbie. He's been a regular with our Dylan tribute (The Zimmermen) and I've recorded with him a number of times. What a writer, player, and singer. He moved from a mile away from me to LA about a year ago.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Robbie Fulks

Hi Pat B - A few years back (4?) I was in town for a Cubs/Mets series and went to the Hideaway and saw Robbie and a group of brilliant musicians doing a mash up of Merle Travis/Miles Davis - great fun! He’s a very talented writer & player and I’m a huge fan.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Years ago I played a Band tribute show with the country genius Robbie Fulks. He got to choose two songs to cover. One was "Where Do We Go From Here?". Last year we reprised the show sans Robbie and the lead singer of the group Tributosaurus picked WDWGFH because he loved Robbie's version (which was a note for note copy from Cahoots). btw, The Band performed Carnival, WDWGFH, Masterpiece, and Smoke Signal live.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Funny - I always liked "Where Do We Go From Here", though, as John D pointed out here a year or so ago, the admirable Doctor Music cover would be top of mind for Canucks of our vintage.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Cahoots

I've listened to 'Cahoots' periodically during the last 30 plus years and the album has always left me largely dissatisfied. Sure, there are a few strong performances, 'Life is a Carnival' is a Band classic and the only song that would be regularly played live. 'When I paint my masterpiece' is a fine Dylan cover and '4% pantomime' is a fun Van/Richard workout, but isn't really much of a song. After those three it's all downhill. The absolute nadir, being 'Last of the blacksmiths', 'Where do we go from here' and 'The moon struck one'. The other problem with this album is the recording/sound of it. It doesn't sound good. I know that Robbie touched on this in at least one interview, and he is absolutely on point.


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Posted by:

Dan

Just went back and listened to Cahoots today. Agree that the River Hymn should have been covered - really a bridging of Southern religion and the environment. The songs sound better digitally, as Garth's organ comes more to the forefront and the drums do not seem as prominent as the old mix. I liked many of the songs, including Volcano. The overall album and the lyrics lack coherence - Smoke Signal weirdly alternates between Indian background and white disaffection. Bottom line is that Robbie wrote most of the Brown Album but the Band is best with 4 or 5 great originals and then filling out with covers or collaborations as with Big Pink. Too bad there was such pressure to write all the songs without covers or going back to what they left off earlier albums such as the new arrangement for Get Up Jake which was included on Rock of Ages,


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Posted by:

Pat B

My girlfriend in 1972 loved Cahoots. She played Volcano constantly.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Eric Clapton on his admiration for Robbie and The Moon Struck One

Rolling Stone: Are there any other people you feel that way about?

Eric Clapton: Yeah, the same with Robbie Robertson. If I sat down and thought for ten minutes about what he’s given me, I wouldn’t even be able to have coffee with him. I’d be awe-struck. I was devoted to the Band, and every song that he ever wrote for the Band had a profound effect on me. The story of the relationship in the song “The Moon Struck One” is so profound. It brings back so many memories of my own childhood that it seems like Robbie must have been there. And when I see him, I just have to throw all that out the window and be who I am.

Peter V and BEG must be locked in a 2nd hand record shop.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I cannot think of a better example - ever - of an artist lifting an almost pedestrian song to an absolute work of beauty like Raine Maida did with “The Moon Struck One”.

For those wanting to experience this - it is on Garth Hudson’s great album “A Canadian Celebration of The Band”. Neil Young also does a stomping version of TWOF..

Funny thing about “The Moon Struck One” is how much it is admired by others - including Eric Clapton, Garth Hudson and Daniel Lanois.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Cahoots

Joe F: I agree, though it took me many years to get there. It didn't strike me until today that the song order is key, especially the first few, where the titles tell the tale.

Life is a carnival - statement of fact. They've painted their masterpieces - Big Pink and Big Brown. But given the non-reaction to Stage Fright they're moving on from their Americana 'blacksmith' phase. So, 'Where to we go from here?', they ask themselves and their public. Here are seven different songs / directions to choose from, and you get to vote. (We have our eyes closed so we don't see what you choose - not because we're dead like Paul, or nodding off, or sleeping.) Unfortunately the public response was 'None of the above', but they tried.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: Cahoots

Always liked Cahoots. The only song that I thought was forced was "Last of the Blacksmiths." In college, my friend and I used to listen to Cahoots and would sing along (very loud) to Volcano. We enjoyed it and had fun. All good.

I know that I am in a minority in how I feel about Cahoots, but that's ok. Although I must admit that it took me many, many years to really like Moon Struck One. The song was different for me once I focused in on Garth's playing. His musical interlude makes the song for me. Also, never understood why River Hymn did not get wider acclaim and covers.

joe


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: live is a carnivore

Ari: Thanks for slapping us out of our hibernation and getting conversation going again. Caused me to slap on my "Cahoots" disc. I've only heard Carnivore and Masterpiece thus far - both truly great songs - so will reserve my 2020 judgment on Volcano. Re Masterpiece, I trust you saw what Dylan had to say about it in his recent NYT interview with Douglas (?) Brinkley.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

“The Weight”, “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”, “King Harvest”, “Acadian Driftwood” and “It Makes No Difference” are great songs. “”Volcano” most certainly is not.

Anyone else driven crazy by weather ladies and men who in recent years have taken to announcing “Good Morning, Toronto....31c today but it will feel like 33 c with the humidex ! Oh my, we better wear shorts, then. Imagine living in Saudi Arabia where someone would announce its 45 c but feels like 50 c . Madness !


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Posted by:

Ari

Subject: Ben

Ben, Volcano IS a great song.


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Posted by:

Rod

Dag's page has lots of new content from time to time. Stuff we haven't seen before.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Lisa, the fb group that I just left due to anti-Robbie posts and comments is THE Band. It's a large group with multiple administrators who don't seem interested in keeping the tone civil. There are a number of other Band related fb groups. Levon, Robbie, Rick and Richard all have at least 1 group. I don't know if Garth has any. Dag has a fb group which I just joined today and it looks very promising.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Ben, which Facebook page do you guys keep referring to? The only one I can find seems perfectly okay, nobody slagging Robbie. I've been wondering for quite a while now as this one (The Band fb) is the only one that shows up? Curiosity has finally got the better of me ...


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Posted by:

Wallsend

An interesting article on The Ringer website: "Still Waltzing: Robbie Robertson on Martin Scorsese, the Band, and 60 Years in Music".


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, 'When we were Kings' is a good one. I saw that a number of years ago. From my recollection, there were some good live James Brown performances in that documentary. It is a shame that Foreman didn't get a rematch with Ali. I'm surprised that it it wasn't in their contract. I really believe on any other night on any other location (where the ropes weren't slack) that Foreman would have destroyed Ali. It's kind of like Trump winning the 16 election. There were a whole series of events that aligned perfectly for that outcome. I think boxing does lend itself very well to documentaries. I've recently watched good docs on Sonny Liston and Foreman. There have also been quite a few good ones on the '30 for 30' series.

I'm not a big sports fan, though I did make it to my first Eagles game in December at the Linc and that was pretty amazing. But, I've always enjoyed boxing. There is a psychological element to it that is unique. Ali, for instance really got in the heads of his opponents with his trash talking. That's something that no one had done before him in boxing.

Bill, I just checked and the Billy Crystal clips are still on youtube. I watched one yesterday in which Sammy was visiting Ronald Reagan (played by Joe Piscopo) in the oval office. It was very funny. I highly recommend checking these out while you still can.

Rod, I had only joined the Band fb group a few months ago. But, I found the administrators of the group to be uninterested in setting a civil tone with regards to Robbie. I just don't understand the vitriol that so many people have towards him. There are certainly things he has done that are worthy of criticsm, just as there are for Levon, but the level of hatred that some people express is really over the top.

Dag, I just joined your fb group. I'm looking forward to some good discussions there. Thanks for starting the group.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dag's Facebook

Real cool site Dag. Hope all the good and peaceful folks show up. Got to leave this morning and take my big boat to the ship yard for bottom cleaning...........later.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: "Music From The Band" facebook group

My little group, feel free to join and liven it up with shiny happy posts.


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Posted by:

Rod

Ben, I've just left THE Band FB group too. It's getting a bit feral there. Every thread ends up being a RR bashing exercise. The posts that really annoyed me the most though were the "missing Rick/Levon/Richard" ones. Annoying on so many levels.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Ben: I don't believe I ever saw Billy Crystal on SNL, or even impersonating Sammy David Jr. I have seen Jim Carrey doing so, and he was amazing.

Coincidentally, both of the sane Toronto daily papers ran interviews today with Carrey about his new autobiographical novel. At one point he stresses the view that as bad as the world is, and getting, we'll be okay as long as we still can sing and dance, especially dance. Which is, I think, what Charles Mingus is 'saying' in his epic "Better Git Hit In Yo Soul" - whatever styles or tribes are fighting or being fought over, we always have dance. And it's more explicitly what the group Influence is saying in their brilliant "Mad Birds of Prey (Mini Opera)"- "When it all breaks down …" and then straight into a wild version of "Tutti Frutti". Of course, wild is the only way to do "Tutti Frutti"


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I guess Axl will be by soon as well....

Ben.....I really liked the documentary “When We Were Kings”. The transformation of George Foreman from thug to gentleman really was something. Not many fighters get a 2nd act in the way he did.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I just left the Band fb group. I got tired of the anti-Robbie posts and comments. Plus the fact that very few days some idiot was posting that 'Cahoots' is an underrated album and that 'Volcano' is a great song......ugh.....

Norm, I am a big boxing fan, I've read books and watched many documentaries about boxing as well as the actual fights. I was a kid when Ali was champ for the 2nd and briefly 3rd time. I watched a lot of Larry Holmes fights, the most hyped one that really sticks out was the one he had with Gerry Cooney who was a not so great white hope.

I have to say that I'm a bigger George Foreman fan than an Ali fan. Foreman had a pretty remarkable life story, self imposed retirement in his prime and then a very improbable comeback and shocking recapturing of the heavyweight title. Sonny Liston was also a very interesting character. There've have been a few good docs done on his life.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Norm, Very interesting post. I'm a longtime Billy Crystal fan as well. I used to enjoy him on 'Saturday Night Live' when I was in high school. His catchphrase was 'You look mahvelous, absolutely mahvelous'. I actually have a cassette that he released back in the mid 80's that had some of the routines and characters from SNL. One of my favourite things that he did was his amazing Sammy Davis Jr. impression in blackface. That probably has been cancelled out and destroyed by now, unfortunately. Crystal did the impression with the utmost respect. There was nothing remotely racist about it.

Regarding Ali, well he was an amazing athlete and a showman, for sure. But, regarding his involvement with the nation of Islam and views about white people, women and Jews, there's plenty of things to parse through. People are complex, most people have good and bad characteristics, except for sociopaths like Hitler or Trump. So, my view of Ali as a person is mixed, but he certainly was a remarkable athlete.


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Posted by:

Glenn

Subject: Norm J

Hello everybody! Haven't posted for a while. Thanks Norm, for that link to Billy Crystal. Great video; well worth every minute of his tribute to Muhammad Ali. And thanks to all for the great posts, and sharing; for keeping this guestbook a wonderful place to visit. Even though I've had more time at home these months, life seems busy as ever: keeping my young son active because he isn't at day camp this summer; getting more visits with 2 of our grandkids (who live locally); keeping an eye on our yard and garden to keep it watered during this hot Dallas summer); and trying to get more exercise for me (walking, biking, etc.).

Monday I start a new full-time position at the college where I've been working part-time the last couple of years. Looking forward to the new role, but wanting to be oh-so-cautious about interacting with others. At least the campus is pretty empty for now. Lots of discussion about what fall semester should look like and how to keep everybody safe. If only we had competent leadership from DC we could be much farther along against this virus. Trump lies when he insists it's a liberal hoax meant to make him look bad so he'll lose in November, when the reality is that he's probably happy to let the virus run its course because it affects people of color much more severely.

Musically have been listening to a lot of Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings and John Prine. Have a great weekend!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Billy Crystal

If you don't bother to look at the video I have posted, take this one line away with you that Billy has said.

Remember, "Life is best when you build bridges between people not walls." Isn't it amazing that the current president and his government are too immature to understand that simple piece of advise from real people.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Talent

A sunny warm Friday afternoon with a cold beer on the table listening to John Cruz and Jokerman. It is so good - even my iPad sounds great. Thank you, Norm.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Hollywood Bowl 1970

It was 50 years ago today. Link: the 1995 bootleg CD.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Just one more thing

As I watched some news recently with the current situation of racial problems and difficulty, particularly in the USA I was put in mind of something that I had very much appreciated from long ago.

This kind of made me laugh although it is not at all funny. I have been accused of being 'Anti Semitic". The thing is my two favourite people, (well I've had this thing for many years). If some one said if you could meet anyone in the world for a day who would be your choice? For me this is easy. Billy Crystal and Mohammed Ali. I so much admire both those men for as human beings their attitudes and their accomplishments.

I have been fans of both of them forever. Billy Crystal a Jewish man with an understanding of people who can articulate better than any one I've ever seen. Ali, a man who to me was the greatest athlete ever who also had a physiological understanding of people more than anyone.

The link I have attached was Billy Crystal's eulogy at Mohammed Ali's funeral. Concerning racial prejudice everyone needs to watch this. Billy Crystal is wonderful. I don't know how many people may have watched a tv series back in the 80's called "Soap". This is where I became such a fan of Billy Crystal. Jewish people like Billy just have a greater understanding of the human mind as far as I am concerned. All I have to do is think of some of his lines and it makes me belly laugh and cheers me up.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: John Cruz

Very impressive, Norm. Great song, great voice - with more Randy Newman than Bob Dylan in it, it seems to me, but more musical in the normal pop sense than either of them. Reminds me why Dylan was selected for the Nobel prize.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Social Distancing

Here is John Cruz "social distancing" :-) I turned Kevin John on to John Cruz. If you are a Bob Dylan fan then you must be a fan of John Cruz. I am so impressed with this man. The songs he has written, how he helps promote his family and his people in Hawaii.

He is featured in so many Playing for Change songs including "The Weight". So take the time to watch and listen to his cover here of "Jokerman".

When I sit back here alone and watch him with my head phones on I share this park where he sits and plays. It don't get no better than this.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Awwww.....MARIA McKEE at the El Mo???!!!!
Oh well....I did see Echo and the Bunnymen there and Daniel Lanois and Brian BladE.....and where Serenity lives.

Hope you are well!! Next time don't let anyone push you away. Don't give anyone that satisfaction. He actually is a sweetheart. Sorry!

Interview with Maria after the release of You Gotta Sin to Get Saved. Includes video and live performance clips.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Last five albums played

A Tree With Roots Fairport Convention and Friends and the Songs of Bob Dylan. Sandy Denny’s voice and Rich Thompson’s guitar on ‘I’ll Keep It With Mine’ combined is worth the price of the album alone.

Love Forever Changes. Brilliant. Coincidentally BEG, the BBC showed Arthur Lee and guests playing the album at Glastonbury from several years ago, and I have been playing it ever since.

Steely Dan Can’t Buy A Thrill. Outstanding.

Gerry Rafferty Can I Have MyMoney Back? Scottish classic leading to Stealers Wheel.

Nancy Sinatra Nancy Sings Country. Really good.

Tell Tale Signs is a brilliant album. Thanks, Kevin.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry Kevin....

I made a copy via VHS as it was 2002. I was sooooo excited to be a part of this experience and yes I'm glad that we saw and heard everything whereas the American viewers.......My only disappointment was that Robbie omitted the word "ass" and replaced it with ? I know we are usually mindful of using specific language in certain environments but I felt he sold out....The word "ass" is the punch....Natives feel it every day and you're going to worry what the suits think?! Uhhhh....He could have used you can bet your donkey.....LOL....sorry my humour......Otherwise....very proud of the man from the Grand River.

There was always a video in my player ready to serve me. One of the Caretakers at one of the schools made a video copy for a Levonista to share. This person has some Native ancestry?.....So I sent the video and was sent in return a non-commercial Rick cassette. Days gone by.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

“There was this guy, “Cowboy” Dan Johnson, who had worked for Scorsese for about five years and he’d worked for me at one time too. He was a strange combination of characters. He was from Kentucky, he’d been on the front line at ‘Nam, he was an excellent chef – you’d never guess it, ’cause he was a big brute. Anyway, I was in New York, working with Marty, and when I was leaving, this guy, Dan, asked if he could catch a ride up town with me. So he came and we decided to go into this bar and have a couple of beers. We talked for a few minutes. Then I drove him back to his place, I went to my hotel. The next day, I got a call and was told that Dan had died. He died of acute meningitis of the brain. There was no scandal. Here was a guy who just went home and died. It was so devastating to me and Marty. It just blew us apart. We talked about it and thought it would be a nice thing to write a song in memory of Dan. So I ended up doing that, instead of another one I’d originally done. So ‘Between Trains’ was about Dan and for him. “I ain’t no cowboy/I just look like one/And I ain’t no prisoner/But I’m on the run from these chains/And I’m just between trains” – from ‘Between Trains’ by Robbie Robertson.

The first line of the song I stole from Dan. We were sitting at the bar the night before he died and this guy came up behind us, slapped Dan on the back and said, “Cowboy Dan.” Well he wheeled around on the guy and said, “I ain’t no cowboy, I just look like one.” And the guy kind of shrunk back and said, “Okay, sorry.” Dan was one of those people who was very nice, but he also had this thing, this glint in his eye, that made you think that, at any moment, he might just tear the place apart or something. He definitely had a touch of danger in his shadow.” Robbie Robertson (805)


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Posted by:

Dan

Kevin - agree with you completely about wishing to have Robbie Robertson “De-Lanoised” like Tell Tale Signs. Even though Time Out of Mind is a great album, and Lanois may have been necessary to garner the media attention to propel back to relevance and a Grammy, the two subsequent Dylan self-produced albums sound better. This last one, Rough & Rowdy Ways, is suprisingly good. Back to Robbie Robertson - it must have been daunting to sing at that time having never really been a solo vocalist before, and that what probably caused some of the use of star power that camoflauged or obscured his vision. Great songs but it could have been better. I'd stack up Testimony against almost any song at that time.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson Comes Home Again
Tony Scherman
New York Times
Oct. 9, 1994


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

A message from Robbie Robertson

Robbie Robertson, long-time supporter and friend of the American Indian College Fund, believes in the power of education, and we know you do too.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I ain't no loner
I just work alone
There ain't no place
Where there's a home I could claim
And I'm still between trains
Still between trains

I've got to let it roll
I've got to let it ride
I can never show
What's really going on inside
If I'm too young to learn
Or too old to change
I guess I'll always be
Between trains

Between Trains was not well known maybe to the non-Robbie fans. As the rest of us had The King Of Comedy on cassette. The very first time I found this song and posted it so many were so delighted to hear it and download it via of a link I found. If ya missed it ya missed it....

“There was this guy called Dan who worked for Martin Scorcese and myself and he died all of a sudden. Just died. Like acute meningitis, just one day. Him and I, in New York, we went to a bar and we were just having a beer and talking. Afterwards he went back to his apartment and he just died. All the time he worked for us, he always said it was temporary. He said, “I’m just passing through.” I always thought of Dan as being between trains.” Robbie Robertson (383)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Stomp Dance Unity

BEG......Thank you for those earlier clips but the performance I really would like to see again is the Canadian TV presentation of the Opening Ceremony for the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. The NBC US TV feed was appalling as they talked all over the performance but the Canadian feed ( I would guess CBC ) paid proper respect to Robbie and the great Rita Coolidge and the band performing and I remember it being very special. Anyhow, it would be nice to see again.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Dan….I am with you on “Between Trains”. Some years back, when Sebastian Robertson was here and had informed us that a part two of his dad’s memoirs was being written, I suggested that “Between Trains” would be a good title. He said he liked the idea a lot and would pass it on to Robbie. I do hope he does go with it mainly because of the additional spotlight it would shine on the song which has been so obscure for too long.

The other thing that would be nice would be having a few of those songs on the first album “De-Lanoised” in the way Bob Dylan rescued so many on the truly great Tell Tale Signs – Bootleg Volume 8 - one of Dunc's faves and mine also.

Funny thing is that I really like the Daniel Lanois solo work where he seems to not murk things up as he did with Dylan and RR.


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Posted by:

Peter V

credits … covers are extremely important. Being on a best-selling album is good in itself- every track gets an equal share.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Levon Concert for Hospice

A 26 minute concert video of Levon from 1990 called 'Concert for Hospice' has been posted on a couple of Band fb groups. The video is on youtube. It's pro-shot, I'm listening/watching it right now. Levon is sporting his full beard. Goood stuff. Jim Weider and Earl Cate are part of the band. Definitely worth a look and listen.


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Posted by:

Dan

Really enjoyed Storyville, Native Americans and HTBC. Garth is fantastic on Storyville and Robbie seems to be channeling some Garth in the last few songs of HTBC. Robbie appears comfortable with himself and the other vocalists on those three albums. Some great songs on Robbie Robertson, especially Testimony, Somewhere Down Crazy River, but he seems lost in 80s era production. Wish Between Trains had made it on to that album. By the way, the issue with song credits is not the number of songs one writes but where they are on the pantheon. George Harrison wrote very few Beatles songs but he has 3 in the top 10 (Something, Here Comes the Sun and while My Guitar Gently Weeps), all in a 1-2 year period. When it comes to The Band, it would not make a whit of difference to have co-writing on great songs that did not receive much airplay, e.g. Jemima Surrender. Don't think RM made much from We Can Talk though "you could try to reason, but you might think it's treason," is most appropriate for this era. Attaching a credit to The Weight, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down or This Wheel's On Fire would. Levon Helm's allegations seemed scattershot to me - I have never seen anything where he focused on a particular song and highlighted why he should get credit. Robbie, though he does not self perform hits, has managed to write classics with the Band and write or co-write Broken Arrow or It's In the Way that You Use It. So based on history, and John Simon's testimony have to go with Robbie Robertson.


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brown eyed girl

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Another Robbie song where the kidzzz explored.....by writing words that came to them as they were listening....drawing pictures....displaying lines and colours as the music was playing.....I loved observing some of them as they were moving and groovin' in their seats....I knew they were feelin' it.....The arts are all about feeelin' something......and then at one Centre they'd drop their large construction paper and move with their group using no words just body movements connecting with each other to the song. I actually had them explore all musical genres this way. And then when it was party time; they'd dance away to their fave songs and mine....sometimes they came together.

Mr. Maximus and his partner came with me to Music Week with Robbie and Daniel Lanois. She really liked Robbie's Native inspired recordings as I did. However, Robbie didn't have a Meet and Greet and just like that she dumped Robbie. Daniel Lanois did meet us and performed with his steel guitar. My friend couldn't stop talking about Daniel afterwards. She kept talking about his personal energy.....I really think we connect with some people and not with others because of this inexplicable "energy". Mr. Maximus took a photo with us together. Yeah, it's true....He exudes an energy alright. ;-D He was so interested to know which was my fave song from The Beauty of Wynona....and then he signed my CD. Who would have known that many years later I would meet one of Daniel's camping buddies at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival. Unbelievable but true. Or that he sometimes is known to drop by a place in the Junction where all three of us would have brunch....Cool Hand Of The Girl....or that my dental hygienist's friend was Daniel's Interior Decorator......He has a huge loft here as well as other places.....Daniel's buddy wanted to dance with me during John Mayer's Slow Dancing In A Burning Room. He couldn't believe that I left my companion at home. I observed that he was drinking too much beer for my liking so he didn't stand a chance.....Yes I am painfully independent when I'm feeling strong but really needy when I've lost myself. This six day trip to NYC was one of the best things I did for myself ever.

It was at this event I met a writer who saw my camera and telephoto lens...ha, ha, ha....and invited me to join him to see Daniel Lanois and Brian Blades!!!!!.....at the El Mo. So my friends dropped me off and I had a fantastic night up and close and personal!! He wanted me to continue on with him going to more Clubs as he had a pass to get into them as it was Canadian Music Week. Awww....I was tempted as I'm a huge music fan but instead I said that I had to turn in early as I had to work on Reports. I know.....terrible but it was true as I always wrote papers in University and wrote reports for students late at night when I didn't have any distractions.


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brown eyed girl

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...and without the translation.

From a show in Regionale Di Agrigento, Italy w/ Robbie.
Line-up:
Robbie Robertson Red Road Ensemble Coolidge Ulali
Special Guests: John Trudell, Buffy Sainte Marie and the American Indian Dance Theater

Walfredo Reyes, Jr. w/ Robbie Robertson "Cherokee Morning Song" (Live)


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brown eyed girl

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Every morning in class we'd sing another one of Robbie's songs. Sometimes in a round. At the end of the day we'd sing another Native song which basically meant may you live with dignity and we will meet again.


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brown eyed girl

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One of Robbie's best written songs and non-BANDISH....Yippee!! It's a protest song for Natives. For me it's a protest song for anyone who attempts to silence women.

We will not be silenced.


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Dunc

Location: Scotland

I think Robbie’s first two albums are brilliant. I think Somewhere Down The Crazy River with Rag Mama Rag are the two Robbie Robertson songs that have received the most radio play up here.

His music in this era is not Band music, he’s moved on, still developing and is innovative. I love Breakin’ The Rules, for example. Many examples like this. His innovation on the Fats Domino tribute album is outstanding.

I really enjoy all his albums.


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Rod

Robbie's first album had a huge impact on me. I loved it at the time as it was his first "real" record since TLW. (I've only recently heard Carny but that still doesn't count). These days I hardly listen to it but I still love a few tracks Fallen Angel, Big Sky, Crazy River - and Amercian Roulette is OK. It has dated though - as some reviewers from that time said it would compared to The Band's recordings.

I never thought about Fallen Angel being a Tears Of Rage style opener before. It makes sense though - a clever move.


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brown eyed girl

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brown eyed girl

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"A lot of fans get down on Robbie for The Bands break-up but his solo work is brilliant.

Chris Coleman 1 year ago Robbie was looking good sound pretty damn great

globalcat 6 years ago Man. How many years since this album and STILL people have to attack Robertson's departure from The Band. He did some great work with this album. Band lovers - not everything is about what you like. Give it a rest after a few decades. "


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Kevin J

Nick Deriso, as usual, nailed it on SGCITM :

“Sonny Got Caught in the Moonlight” might be best described, then, as an example of the forward-thinking album that Robertson could have made, if he and Lanois hadn’t invited so many new friends over. It points the way, in one memorable burst, to a new kind of Robbie Robertson song — one that’s comfortably like, but also thrillingly unlike, everything that came before.


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brown eyed girl

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Music video by MARIA McKEE performing I'm Gonna Soothe You.

(C) 1993 UMG Recordings, Inc.


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Kevin J

Subject: b.lee

I also have wondered about the song order on the Robbie Robertson debut album. I understood it a bit better years later when John Simon noted that it was Robbie’s insistence that “Tears of Rage” lead off MFBP as it was the mood he wanted to set. He seemed to be going for the same thing all those years later by starting off with the somber tribute to Richard on his solo outing. I would have started with my favourite song on the album “Sonny Got Caught In The Moonlight”.


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brown eyed girl

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"In 2003, Maria McKee the former lead singer of the 1980s alt-country rock band Lone Justice made an appearance on News 8 in San Diego. She had been a solo performer since 1989 and was promoting a new album called "High Dive." Fresh off a performance on The Tonight Show, Maria graced the News 8 studios with a performance of her song "Life is Sweet."

When I watched again Maria being interviewed for the Doc I had a strong feeling something was happening there by the way she was communicating. I read an interview by her mother and just as I suspected....She wasn't on coke but she like her musician brother Bryan Maclean...bi-polar disorder Well we're all dealt with different cards but we are dealt with cards. Let's hear another song by our girl MARIA McKEE!!!!

Maria tells us that she was from the other side of the tracks....perhaps because her father wasn't around much if at all. Her brother Bryan MacLean shared the same mother....Wow....She was born into a bohemian and artistic lifestyle who at one time wanted to apply to the Juilliard School for musical Theatre. Not surprisingly she was able to beat to her own drum, especially when she got back to her natural roots. ;-D

Early life[edit] Bryan MacLean's mother was an artist and a dancer, and his father was an architect for Hollywood celebrities such as Elizabeth Taylor and Dean Martin.[1] Neighbor Frederick Loewe, of the songwriting team Lerner & Loewe, recognized him as a "melodic genius" at the age of three as he doodled on the piano. His early influences were Billie Holiday and George Gershwin, although he confessed to an obsession with Elvis Presley. During his childhood, he wore out show music records from Guys and Dolls, Oklahoma, South Pacific and West Side Story. His first girlfriend was Liza Minnelli and they would sit at the piano together singing songs from The Wizard of Oz. He learned to swim in Elizabeth Taylor's pool, and his father's good friend was actor Robert Stack. Bryan appears in the 1957 Cary Grant film An Affair to Remember singing in the Deborah Kerr character's music class. Maria McKee is his half-sister.

At 17, Bryan heard The Beatles: "Before the Beatles I had been into folk music. I had wanted to be an artist in the bohemian tradition, where we would sit around with banjos and do folk music, but when I saw A Hard Day's Night everything changed. I let my hair grow out and I got kicked out of high school."


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Bill M

Thanks for the Rick quote b.lee - says so much. Re bassists, I do find that the more showy ones that I think of tend to be playing as requested or expected, so are acting in the interests of the songb(or maybe the show) but in a different way than the groovers. Could the Doors' 'Touch Me" been half the song without Harvey Brooks' bass? You mentioned Jaco.


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b.lee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Thoughts on Rick, Robbie's solo output

Did get to look at Rolling Stone's 50 Bass Players list. ("Not a ranking?"). There are a couple schools of bass playing, let's say "Serve the Song/Groove" and "Check Out My Chops!" are two of the more prevalent. I like to think I'm in the former group. The latter gets most of the accolades and mostly leaves me cold. (The same formula could be applied to drummers.) There are exception. Jaco was a force of nature who could, come to think of it straddle both extremes. (Coyote, anyone?). As for RS' entry on Rick Danko, the appalling photo was IMO partially offset by the quote:

“I feel about bass playing as I do about background singing,” he told Bass Player in 1994. “It should be a hair behind. It’s nice to leave the top of the beat for the vocal and spread the other parts around the beat. That gives the music a sort of Ferris-wheel effect and carries it along.”

Neatly sums up why I cite Rick as a major influence.

All this discussion of Robbie's post-TLW work has me digging in the stacks. Nothing on vinyl, but Robbie Robertson, Storyville, Redboy, and Clairvoyant are on the CD shelf, along with a Classic Masters comp of the Capitol years I totally forgot about, also simply titled Robbie Robertson. So, a deviation from the Classical that accompanies the work-at-home hours for immersion therapy in Robbie, in chronological order.

Right off the bat, the first record sounds awful. Sludge. Why start the record with a long fade in of incomprehensible singing? Can you hear me? Well, not so much, Robbie! I hear the Peter Gabriel fingerprints more than U2. And Peter was huge, then no? And of course Lanois' smudgy prints are quite noticeable. He is one of those lauded artists that I always feel I should like more than I do.

From the opening notes of Storyville, the sound is so much better and despite the pundits saying "it could have been a Band record" I think the vocal-wise Robbie is more comfortable in his own skin. Somehow in my mind, Somewhere Down the Lazy River is on Storyville, not the first one. Sonically and thematically it fits better there. The journey continues...


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brown eyed girl

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POP MUSIC : Will Justice Be Served? : Ten years ago, Maria McKee and her golden voice appeared headed for stardom. But things went sour. Now, after a long escape to Europe, she’s back to try again with a new album and a survivor’s sensibility

“I was a perfect candidate. And I eventually found my own drug: spending money. . . . I had money because ‘A GOOD HEART, (apparently about one of Tom Petty's band mates but he denies it....Sure....)’ a song I wrote when I was 18, was recorded by Feargal Sharkey and it was No. 1 all over Europe. At one point, I would spend $100 a week on fresh-cut flowers and I’d eat in fancy restaurants three times a day. . . . I was 21.”

Her main question as a teen-ager was what type of music should she sing. She loved everything from rock to Judy Garland ballads. She also enjoyed acting and thought maybe she could combine the two.

By the time she arrived at Beverly Hills High School, McKee had settled on a theater arts career. But she got detoured. She didn’t fit in with the other kids--and she began looking for a connection elsewhere.

“At that school, you were either a rich kid who was totally into whatever was happening at the moment in music, or you were from the other side of the tracks, like me, and you didn’t fit in,” she says. “You probably had a single mother who was breaking her back to make the rent so that you could live in a 90210 address.”

“I realize that if I had the kind of success that everyone had hoped for when I was 19 or 20 when I was in Lone Justice, I’d probably be a counselor at the Betty Ford Clinic right now. There’s no way I would have had the wherewithal to deal with it. It’s taken a long time to get to this point, but it’s probably for the best.”


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brown eyed girl

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My favourite girl crush and her fave rock and roll song. Lisa Loeb and Natalie Merchant as well....


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Peter V

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Subject: Wonderful Life

Review in the 60s Retrospective series of WONDERFUL LIFE (1964). (follow the link) It’s the third Cliff Richard musical, and suffered from its release date, just days before ‘A Hard Day’s Night.’ It’s much maligned, though the “In The Movies” series of pastiches gets praised. I’ve put more pictures in than any other review, because there are two long pastiche / send ups of dance movies, and then one of movies which are worth illustrating. I had never seen it before. I was struck by the criticized ‘film within a film plot’ at the time, which makes it look most knowing in subverting movie conventions nowadays. It suffers from the music (a burden for a musical) but filming and cinematography are always good.


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Posted by:

Lisa

It's available to watch on YouTube.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Steve Prince - American Boy

There’s an article about this guy and the Martin Scorsese doc in this week’s New Yorker - I think it might be free on their website. The film is this guy as a raconteuring storyteller in the 70’s with MS as his main audience and I think his employer. I don’t believe the film makes any reference to JRR but the article has a number of asides about him in that TLW era.


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Pat B

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The link is as good an explanation as any of songwriter royalties. You can see that The Band's royalties would not have made any of them wealthy over the long haul.


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Wallsend

Pat, you see well informed about the music industry, what kind of money do you think Robbie would have made from Rod Stewart covering Broken Arrow?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: That's a pretty good assessment of things. I never liked the first, sometimes because of the overall sound, but mostly because it seemed to me that Robbie was too often trying to sing in the voice of the person he had in mind when he was writing it - mostly Richard, sometimes Rick. Maybe he was thinking of Levon for the speaking parts, but at least he had the sense then to not try to mimic Levon's accent. "Storyville" I didn't like either until I rebought it around 2000 because you people here were speaking of it so highly; and you people were right - it's a terrific album. And as you suggest, the next two were brilliant. "Clairvoyant" is an excellent album, but to me not on an emotional par with its two immediate predecessors. By the way, I've rebought the first album three times now - and still don't like it.


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Kevin J

Imagine if The Edge had left U2 – disappeared for 10 years and then put out a solo album doing all the singing while not touring to support it. Most would think, Grammy nomination, a sweep of all major music awards in the UK or Ireland ( as RR’s album did in Canada) and the album selling a MILLION or so copies would be deemed a success.

The disappointing step for me was that Storyville was the better album and its sales performance was most definitely a disappointment. Times had changed in a major way by early 90’s….Grunge had rendered almost all other types of rock music – especially metal and non-alternative rock – as finished. Nirvana’s “Nevermind” was 1991 and Smashing Pumpkins a little bit after that. Rather than staying on the aging rock star merry go round – I thought RR’s move to creating music inspired by his aboriginal roots was brilliant and his albums that followed I still love and listen to regularly.


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Dag B.

Location: Pepperland

Subject: Happy 80th, Sir Richard Starkey, MBE

I'm sometimes, sort of, working, more or less, on a Band day-by-day chronology and was looking into 1976 the other day. Can't find any pre-internet evidence of Levon playing mandolin on "Ringo's Rotogravure" which is listed at this site. Maybe someone at Allmusic confused it with the "Ringo" album which he does play mandolin on?


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brown eyed girl

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Go ‘way little boy – Bob Dylan meets Maria McKee. The meaning behind the music and the lyrics.
October 21, 2016
Tony Attwood

"Bryan MacLean, who played in Love (the band that released the extraordinary “Forever Changes” album – one of my all time favourites) wrote “Old Man” – one of my all time favourite songs – which I linked to Dylan’s “Señor, Tales of Yankee Power”.

MacLean’s connection with Bob Dylan was that he joined the same Christian ministry (the Vineyard) that subsequently converted Dylan. I guess MacLean and Bob must have known each other musically before the event, and certainly knew each other personally once Bob converted to Christianity.

Now Bryan MacLean (who sadly died in 1998) had a half-sister Maria McKee who is known for her work as the lead singer with Lone Justice, another singer and band that I have enjoyed over the years, and whose albums I have.

My guess is that Dylan was deliberately experimenting, trying to reflect in the music the brashness of the woman in saying “go away little boy” and the bemusement of the young man who now finds himself out of his depth. That is what ending the verse on B minor and the middle 8 on E minor are there to suggest.

For me it doesn’t quite work, but then experiments often don’t. As I say, if Dylan had been a visual artist this little sketch would exist in the basement of some gallery, only brought out once every five years for a “The sketches behind the masterpieces” exhibition.

But I’m glad Lone Justice took it – because it has taken me back to one of the less often played parts of my record collection, and reminded me of the rare talent of Maria McKee. If you ever read this Maria, thank you for all the music."


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brown eyed girl

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For BEN and KEVIN J...Awwww.....Sorry that your fantasies will have to be adjusted somewhat...Maria lost the weight, coloured her hair blonde and voila....All of a sudden she's everyone's sex kitten. Uhhhh....Her massive talent was there regardless of her weight and hair colour. I will say it again. I detested the video with Robbie! She is too talented in her own right to be......Sheesh! You'd never see Robbie in someone else's video like that, would you??!! Anyway, so happy for Maria that she's finally come out in her mid-fifties and living her true authentic life now. I will not list the other female musicians who you might also be having fantasies about....I won't do it!!! ;-D
GIVE THANKS AND PRAISES FOR MARIA McKEE!!
:-D

Mar 16, 2020
Maria McKee Returns: How Life Upheaval Brought The ‘80s Golden Child Back To Music After 13 Years....La Vita Nuova

"The story of why she began writing and recording again is a compelling and powerful one. In short, she came out recently as queer and has become a fierce advocate for queer and trans rights. While the press has characterized her marriage to Akin as being over she says that is not correct. They remain best friends in a partnership, but as she put it she has chosen to follow desire.

It was the total upheaval in her life that led to her writing again. "The only way that I could save my life was to write songs. And I hadn't done that in so long cause I just had sublimated that part of me to live according to what I felt was the safest way to live for me," she says. "I was obsessed with finding the answer on how to live because I knew I wasn't happy. And the only way I knew how to do that was to write."

That is where we start this fascinating conversation on art, life, love, longing and more. It is so good to have Maria McKee back in the music world.

Baltin: So you have changed so much in three years. Do the songs feel different to you already?

McKee: It's interesting. I was rehearsing the song "Courage" last night for a benefit I am doing [March 31 in London] . And I swapped the pronouns on that song to she/her. So it's a love song to a woman. Even though I've always identified as bisexual I was raised in the Christian church and I also had the experience of confessing feelings for girls at school and then being exorcised and brought before the prayer group. So my coming out journey has been long and laborious. And even though I've had feelings for women prior to coming out two years ago. I hadn't really written many songs about that and the song "Courage" was not consciously written about a woman I knew. But it wasn't written for the Beatrice of Dante's poetry. So I describe this extraordinary woman that I was too shy to confess my feelings for. This was before I came out. Now when I sing it, it takes on this whole other meaning and for all intents and purposes could have been written for the girl I fell in love with after I made the album. So it was almost like a premonition."


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, The Jules Shear material on the 'Tombstone' is very good. 'Tombstone' and 'All Creation' were my two favorites. Of course, 'Atlantic City' was a highlight of this period as well, but why the hell didn't Rick Chertoff get Bruce together with the Band for the recording. That would have been formidable. Bruce was a major Band fan, he sang an impromptu 'The weight' the night that Levon died.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, No, it's not that Robbie's album was so much less successful than U2's current album, it's that it was a commercial disappointment.

An indie, low budget album by a little known artist that reaches #35 and goes gold is a blockbuster. A mutti-milllion dollar over budget, highly publicised album featuring the biggest band in the world on 2 songs that reaches #35 and goes gold is a commercial failure. That's my argument, I think the horse has been beaten to death and I'm done typing about this.


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Peter V

I’m not sure why it’s so important to Ben that Robbie’s first solo album was less successful than U2. U2 are 17-19 years younger. In rock terms, that’s a different generation and a different demographic. But I will agree on Natalie Merchant. When I looked at my iTunes records from the last couple of years, she is my most-played artist. Though in the last few months Max Richter has taken her place.

Yes, Geffen sued Neil Young but then Trans, followed by the ultra-short Everybody’s Rockin’ (virtually an EP) and Old Ways did seem to be taking the piss. I don’t think Geffen expected multi-platinum sales from these “heritage” artists, but he expected a respectable “gold” showing.

The Sony saga: we find the name Columbia confusing in the UK, where for decades an EMI label bore the name, and US Columbia had to trade as CBS in much of Europe. Sony bought up the EMI Columbia name in the end, so now it is Columbia in both. Anyway, it’s usually called the Sony era.

It’s hard to know what was happening. The Hooters are all over Atlantic City which was produced by Rick Chertoff… Eric Bazilian is playing mandolin, Rob Hyman keyboards. Their best post-TLW song is a Band-Hooters combination. Rumour has it they pissed Jules Shear off over credits. Rick & Levon had a meeting engineered by Garth Brooks with his manager and blew it. Los Lobos didn’t know what the score was from their meeting in Woodstock. There’s very good material from the Sony sessions, some better songs than on Jericho, and “The Lost Sony Album” really deserves a release. I love No One Sings Em Like Ray for starters,


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

brown eyed girl, I watched part of the video you posted, and well it rekindled my appreciation for Maria McKee's talent, but sadly not for her sex appeal. Sorry, I was definitely more of an early McKee circs Lone Justice admirer. Now, if we do want to talk about attractive female musicians from the 80's and 90's I would suggest Natalie Merchant and Lisa Loeb.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, Robbie didn't record for Dreamworks did he? I think he was just a suit there, an Armani suit, if you will. Robbie went back to Capitol for his 3rd and 4th albums in the the 90's (and of course the 'Watkins Glen' monstrosity) so he wasn't recording for David Geffen after 'Storyville'.

Also, I refreshed my memory via wiki on 'The Joshua Tree' it was released in March 1987 and was #1 all over the world, so an album released in the fall of 1987 prominently featuring them and heavily promoted would be expected to chart higher than #35 in the U.S., just sayin....


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Posted by:

Pat B

Universal bought Geffen and released a RR twofer in 1995 that included bonus tracks and a RR interview. Levon's contention that "over forty rockers" were not getting material released is belied by Universal's actions. My sense is that Columbia exec Rick Chertoff had his pals from the Hooters produce some tracks with the Band--specifically Atlantic City and Shine A Light. For whatever reason, he then passed. btw Capitol released Music For the Native Americans, Watkins Glen, and Across The Great Divide in 1994.


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Posted by:

Rod

Pat, Storyville was released in 91. You're are right - it wasn't in Hoskyns book - it was TWOF (known in some circles as The Bible) - P300. They (Sony) "spotted a dismal trend in the lack of success of Robbie Robertsons second solo album.....They bought out our record deal, and we didn't have anything to say about it". Though there may have been more to it than that.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Columbia and The reformed Band parted ways in 1991. Universal which bought Geffen was still releasing Storyville material as late as 1995. Hoskyns does not connect Storyville sales with The Band's departure from Columbia.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: ‘I’m only gonna do one song but I’m gonna do it good”

“Take this veil, I'll dry your eyes/ In a world like ours, you're nobody's child”

From the lovely song - NOBODY’S CHILD” - that Robbie Robertson wrote with Maria McKee in 1993.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Oh my....I should have watched that Maria McKee Netherlands clip before getting my beloved Agent 86 involved in this drama.....the ladies can have her..yikes.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: BEG’s “Yep News”....Say it Ain’t So....

....What’s next......it wasn’t Carole Laure nude in all those late night French channel movies I watched as a teenager? It wasn’t Rick Danko singing so perfectly in “It Makes No Difference”? There wasn’t a knife thrown at the bottom of the phone booth after Maxwell Smart had gone through 5 secret doors? Jed Clampett’s home town wasn’t Bugtussle? Robbie didn’t catch the fly?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Excerpt from a 30 minute documentary (1996) about MARIA MCKEE, broadcast by VPRO Television from the Netherlands. Directed by Bram van Splintered.

Maria McKee on the dramatic demise of her band Lone Justice

In praise of MARIA McKEE!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Rod

I think it was Barney Hoskyns who wrote that CBS (?) dropped the option for The reformed Band after the poor sales of Storyville.



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

MARIA MCKEE...
Why Wasn't I More Grateful


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

MARIA MCKEE...same Birthday as my brother....Watch out for a Leo....

I'm attracted to her voice. She's sexy to both women and men but prefers women. :-D

Maria McKee: 'Yep, I'm Gay' As I get to know more people in the community and we share coming out stories there is a degree of shame that comes up for me as a late bloomer. I have been called “a newbie” by some Queer friends which is baffling to me. ... My Queer story is complicated and far reaching.
May 2, 2019

Solo first recordings for Rick Danko and Levon Helm and Richard Manuel....I had to pay Import Prices so perhaps that's another reason why sales were low....Just sayin'.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, actually David Geffen left Geffen Records in 1995. He and RR then went to Dreamworks.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, sorry for fat fingering that. I meant to type that you are being generous in your appraisal of Geffen. I think Maria McKee had real potential. Her band Lone Justice make a couple of good albums and she was sexy as hell. I think she could have been a real contender.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, Don't forget that the David 'free man in Paris' Geffen sued Neil Young for making experimental, un-commercial albums. So, I think you're being genrtous in your appraisal of him. He also dropped Robbie after his sophomore album 'Storyville'.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Funny...Robbie did have a song that reached Number 1 ( Billboard Top 100 Rock Songs Chart ) in 1987 - just not one from his album. Referring to “It’s in the Way That You Use It” with Eric Clapton.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Geffen Records had a double aim. They had Asia, Guns ‘n’,Roses, later Aerosmith to generate mega sales. Then they had Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Robbie Robertson and they had expectations of them, but at a different sales level. Geffen was good at his job and took Robbie to Dreamworks. I’m not sure where Don Henley fitted - somewhere in between, I guess. Apparently Geffen’s blind spot was Maria McKee who he thought was going to be a mega star. I don’t think Geffen would have expected Robbie or Joni or Neil to bring in a multi-platinum album.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, Yes, I think Zaentz claimed that 'The old man down the road' plagiarized 'Run through the jungle'. 'Centerfield' was a great album and comeback for Fogerty. I think it would be a few more years before he started playing CCR songs in concert. Fogerty and Robbie took very different approaches with these two albums. Not surprisingly, I think that Fogerty's approach worked better.

The genius of Robbie's song writing on the early Band albums was that he wrote specifically for Levon, Rick and Richard. So, when he began a solo career, he was at a real disadvantage. He worked with some talented lesser known artists like Sammy Llamas and Maria Mckee, but I think that the collaborations with U2 and Peter Gabriel fell pretty flat and Lanois' over-production was a real detriment.


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Posted by:

Dave H

One of the many missed opportunities with the '80s-'90s Band was that they kept getting associated with"classic rock" (i.e. over the hill, trading on past glories) rather than "Americana" (i.e. keeping the timeless font of musical tradition alive). Levon finally made that move with Dirt Farmer and it really paid off for him; should've happened 20 years before...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ben....Not many times since my teenage years can I remember exactly where I was when hearing a new song on the radio for the first time. Two such instances would be a DJ saying they had a new song from John Fogerty “The Old Man Down The Road”. Although, it sounded exactly like the CCR song ( and being sued for plagiarizing yourself was funny ) I just remember turning it up and feeling really good hearing that voice again.......The other time was even more memorable as I had been shocked by seeing a Musician magazine cover on the newsstand with Robbie Robertson’s face on the cover and then a few weeks later hearing “Showdown at Big Sky” on the radio. Overjoyed I was and I still love that song.


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Posted by:

Pat B

John D, more Webb Pierce is always a worthy goal. I'd also like to dress like him more often.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, the difference between JF and RR are far greater and more impactful than those similarities you listed. And, no, without major label infrastructure, there was nothing like the radio promotions you envisioned. I can tell you that a local classic rock station did promote a Band show in the early 90's. The group's business was such that the bar made more money than the group. I was in a group that played a heavily promoted show at the same place a few years later and made twice the money.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

This talk of comebacks and record sales reminds me of funny little interplay between David Letterman and Sly Stone way back when.....this was decades after Sly and the Family success but well before the great man had completely lost his mind. Anyhow, out comes Sly and Letterman starts talking about a new record. “What kind of record will it be?” Sly Stone answers “a hit record”. as if there could be any other kind.

John D....a nice reminder about The Blue Ridge Rangers.. I had that first record on cassette and carried it with me for years. Great memories.


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Posted by:

Ben

Subject: zaentz can't dance

Kevin, Fogerty was sued by Saul Zaentz the head of Fantasy records (CCR's label) for defamation for 'Zaentz can't dance' which had the catchy chrous... zaentz can't dance but he'll steal your money, watch him or he'll rob you blind... So, Fogerty re-cut the song as 'Vanz can't dance'.

You're absolutely right that CCR sold far more than the Band in the late 60's, early 70's, but I think that in the mid 80's both Fogerty and Robbie were in a completely different marketplace. And Fogerty's album fared much better than Robbie's.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, I think referring to the reformed Band's business machine is far too generous of you. As we've discussed multiple times here, there were lots of ill advised things done by Levon and co in 1983. Hiring 4 musicians instead of 1, touring without anything new (not even a single) to promote top the list.

Regarding radio play, I was thinking there would be ads on classic rock stations in the cities they were playing and ticket giveaways, etc. The initial reunion tour in Canada played to good sized halls, as did the tour in Japan in the fall, so with the touring and publicity around this I gotta think there was an uptick in sales of their catalog in 1983, 84 over 1981, or 82. How much additional income that generated for Robbie, I don't know. It probably would have been a good move for Capitol to release something in 83 to coincide with the tour, maybe a mislabeled, fraudulent frankenstein version of the watkins Glen concert, oh wait....,the geniuses at Capitol held off on that one until 1995.

Regarding John Fogerty, well, there are a number of similiarities between Robbie and John. Both The Band and CCR mined many of the same musical styles. Certainly CCR were more successful commercially than The Band. And yes, Fogerty was the voice of CCR. But they were the two primary songwriters, they both had taken long sabbaticals from the music business. They both made highly publicised solo albums within 2 years of each other and one sold far, far more than the other.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: CCR & The Band ...

...and worth noting that in 1968, CCR sold over 1 million albums - The Band less than 100,000. In fact, it took 25 years for MFBP to sell 500,000.......and in 1969 when The Band had its best selling year with Brown achieving 1 million sales - the mighty CCR sold over 7 million !

John Fogerty ( and I truly love the guy ) kicked off his comeback album in 1985 with a re-write of a CCR hit.......Robbie got his started with the somber “Fallen Angel”. Different artists with different approaches.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Fogerty

Pat I'm ready for a new Blue Ridge Rangers album. More Webb Pierce Please.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, John Fogerty was a universally recognized "voice". His first solo album sounded like an extension of his previous hit-making machine. RR came from a group that had few radio hits, none of which featured his voice. The RR comparison has little basis.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bill, You're quite right that Robbie wasn't likely to reunite with the Band regardless of the success or failure of his solo album. No argument there. I just happen to have a difference of opinion with Peter in interpreting the sales and chart placement of the album. That's all. But, you know arguing and debating is baked into my dna.

Maybe the best comparison for Robbie's album would be John Fogerty's 'Centerfield' released two years earlier in 1985. Fogerty hadn't released anything in 10 years, similiar to Robbie, and his comeback album was also heavily promoted with magazine covers, high profile interviews and music videos. And what were the results...... Well, Fogerty's album sold far better. It reached #1 and was certified double platinum in the U.S.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Subject: Ennio Morricone

Truly one of the greats. A long, prolific life.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, that's not how the radio game works, and that certainly wasn't how the reformed Band's business machine worked. The RB had no label affiliation, so no one was working the radio markets in anticipation of a local gig. The music was wildly out of style so most radio stations wouldn't have touched it anyway. In Chicago, only one station played The Band at the time. Rick and Levon were supposed to do a pre-show appearance on air at the station--and without a word they didn't show. btw the station did sponsor the show, but the promoter had to pay for on air advertising albeit at a reduced rate. Finally, do you really think that a few extra plays on an alternative FM station for a week before a show generated a notable performance royalty.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Ben: Those what-ifs are good arguments for thinking about commercial success in specific circumstances. But what does the fate of Robbie's album have to do with anything outside of Robbie? Did it send him back into the Band? No. Would it have sent him back to the Band if it'd sold a billion? No. Would it have sent him back to the Band if it had stiffed totally and spilt an ocean of red ink? No.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bill, I do think that the commercial success or lack thereof of an album is relevant. A couple of examples spring immediately to mind. If NL/SC would have been a major hit in 1975 and 'Ophelia' or 'It makes no difference' would have cracked the top 10, then the entire trajectory of the Band's career may have been different and TLW may not have taken place in 1976.

The other obvious example would be if Rick's album sold better than he could have completed and released his follow up album. And if Rick and or Levon's solo careers were more commercially successful, than they would have been far less likely to have reformed the Band in 1983.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, With all due respect, I think you need to compare Robbie's album with U2 and Peter Gabriel's album in therm of sales and chart placing from 1987 (not Madonna). And I am quite confident that if you do you will find that Robbie's album sold far less and chartered far lower than those releases.

Now grammy nominations are a completely different story. I think you are conflating critical and commercial success. I recall that Bon Jovi were one of he biggest acts in 87, and I don't think they got a lot of grammy nominations that year.


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Posted by:

Bill M

And we (on both sides of the Great Robbie Divide) are talking about commercial success because why? Not even the gems that our bony hands will cling to 'til the very end were considered commercial successes. But did they matter? Yes they did - they changed the musical landscape.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Robbie's album

I was very excited about Robbie's solo album when it was released in 1987. I was 18 at the time and this was the first Band related release since I had become a fan several years earlier. So, I remember eagerly reading the interviews and buying and listening to the album as soon as it came out. I remember watching the videos on MTV, (yes Maria Mckee was a hottie in 87). So, I'm not just regurgitating something I read somewhere. I'm speaking about my own experience with this album at the time of its release and my view of the reception it received.

I have my biases just like everybody else, but I don't think this album was considered a commercial success at the time of its release. You can't just look at the gold or platinum status of an album to judge it's commercial fate, I think you need to dig a little deeper and when you consider the PR and hype that Geffen put behind the album, I don't think a #35 or #38 peak and gold status in the U.S. can be considered a success from a commercial standpoint.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Wicked Wiki stuff

Released on October 26, 1987,Robbie Robertson peaked at #35 on the Billboard 200, remaining in the Top 40 for 3 weeks. Robbie Robertson produced several hits on the Billboard Mainstream Rock charts, with "Showdown At Big Sky" coming in the highest (#2) and "Sweet Fire Of Love" the second highest (#7). “Somewhere Down The Crazy River” was #24 in Billboard Mainstream Rock, and #15 in the UK singles chart.

The album was nominated for a Grammmy for "Best Rock / Vocal Album". Robbie Robertson was certified gold in the United States in 1991.

Robbie Robertson received overwhelming critical acclaim at the time of its release. The album was listed in the Top Ten Albums Of The Year by several of the critics in Billboard magazine's 1987 "The Critics' Choice" end of the year feature, and in February 1988, the album was listed in Stereo Review magazine's "Best Recordings of The Month" feature. In 1989, the album was listed as #77 in Rolling Stone's "100 Best Albums of the Eighties.

In Canada, it was double platinum … 200,000. It sold 100,000 in the UK.

Yeah, pretty disappointing … if you’re Madonna.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, Here's another point about the Band reforming that hasn't been brought up in this current thread. The reformed Band and the publicity around it lead to an increased level of radio play (wherever they played) and in turn should lead to an increase in catalog sales which would most benefit Robbie as the primary songwriter. So, in a sense Robbie got to have his cake and eat it too with the reformed Band touring and playing his songs.

Dag and Peter, There's no question that Rick and Levon's albums sold poorly. That was one of the reasons why they reformed the Band. But, I don't think that either of their albums cost nearly as much or received nearly as much publicity as Robbie's. Let's look at the people who contributed to the albums, Rick had Doug Sahm and his brother Terry Danko, Levon had Paul Butterfield, Dr. John and Steve Cropper while Robbie had U2 and Peter Gabriel.

In 1987, U2 and Peter Gabriel were at the top of the heap, so their involvement should have resulted in a top 10, platinum album in the U.S. It didn't come close, it barely scratched the top 40 and went gold. So, on the surface, yes Robbie's album charted higher and sold more copies that Rick and Levon's, but I think the expectations and cost of it were so much higher that it was generally considered a commercial dissapointment.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SUZI QUATRO SPEAKS ON GETTING THE TRAILBLAZER SPOTLIGHT IN NEW DOCUMENTARY SUZI Q
LINA LECARO
JULY 3, 2020

"In a 2012 interview, Suzi QUATRO was asked what she thought she had achieved for female rockers in general. She replied: Before I did what I did, we didn't have a place in rock 'n' roll. Not really. You had your Grace Slick and all that, but that's not what I did. I was the first to be taken seriously as a female rock 'n' roll musician and singer. That hadn't been done before. I played the boys at their own game. For everybody that came afterward, it was a little bit easier, which is good. I'm proud of that. If I have a legacy, that's what it is. It's nothing I take lightly. It was gonna happen sooner or later. In 2014, I will have done my job 50 years. It was gonna be done by somebody, and I think it fell to me to do because I don't look at gender. I never have. It doesn't occur to me if a 6-foot-tall guy has pissed me off not to square up to him. That's just the way I am. If I wanted to play a bass solo, it never occurred to me that I couldn't. When I saw Elvis for the first time when I was 5, I decided I wanted to be him, and it didn't occur to me that he was a guy. That's why it had to fall to somebody like me."[3][b]

I think it's TENN'S BIRTHDAY TODAY! If so....

HEALTHY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TENN!!!

If not....I know it's the first week.....From Jersey to Tenn to Cali..... :-D


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Who won the civil war?

For JQ and Pat B: I was sent a link to a guy interviewing Millennials in the street asking 'Who won the Civil War?' Watch it through.

No wonder people are refusing to wear masks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ennio Morricone

My son's favourite. He saw him in concert too. Also much played here. RIP


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: RIP Ennio

Just heard - he died. A good long life but a sad loss. His music has filled my house for as long as that of The Band.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Robbie Robertson / Daniel Lanois

I read Lanois's book a while back. He seems to damn RRs first album with faint praise. (He spends alot of time of the other albums he produced around then). He recalls spending a long time try to patch Sweet Fire Of Love together from a bunch of different takes.

With regards to Band bickering Barney Hoskyns mentions there was a bit of this in the 80s Band. Something about old tensions coming back to the surface.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Bill, yes it is definitely a grey area and it would depend on the song. I should have also mention that another of the arguments put forward for giving Levon writing credits was that his stories etc provided 'inspiration' for Robbie. Another grey area.


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Posted by:

Jack

Location: Texas

Wallsend,

Thank you for the logical response. It just crossed my mind that maybe Rick didn’t want to make waves, Richard killed himself because he thought he got screwed and Garth had so much fun he just didn’t care. It does seem that the wives would have raised hell though if Robbie was ripping the guys off.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Wallsend: Does helping to arrange a song mean more than helping figure out who plays what when?

Bonk: Good to hear from you. I'm fine, thanks. You? Re the Formerly Bros, I only saw them (at Albert's Hall above the Brunswick House) after Doug Sahm had bailed. So the Tex-Mex stuff that I love was off the menu. But I've always been a big Amos fan so still had a good time. All I was referring to in my earlier post was that the two titles or phrases - 'Formerly Brothers' and 'Once Were Brothers' - mean the same thing.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

(Oops. Well, save one of those for next year I guess.)


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Happy birthday, Robbie!


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Happy birthday, Robbie!


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Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, states did not have the right to secede from the Union and the Federal government had a solemn obligation to keep them in the Union. The worst thing that happened to the South was Lincoln's assassination. I believe Reconstruction would have been much different (and much more effective) had Lincoln lived.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Bill M

Hey Bill. How are you? I love that album, "return of the formerly brothers" for it's simplicity and just sounds good. 'Big Mamou' is one of my favourites. Not sure what you mean by 'sounds like OWB.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Going back to a previous topic, there is a bit in the Tooze book about the friction between Rick and Levon in the 1990s. Also, she only devotes one paragraph to Levon's 'autobiography'. One would have thought it would have merited more detailed analysis.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Jack, one more thought, Levon's main argument seems to have been that he and the others should have been giving writing credit for contributing to the arrangement of the songs even if Robbie was the main writer. However, this is not common practice and there does not seem to be any evidence that they had that agreement at the time.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Jack, there is simply no evidence that he did rip them off. If Levon had any issues with the writing credits as they appeared on the album covers surely he would have raised it at the time. If Robbie was ripping the others off they could have sued him or simply tossed him out. Levon did not raise the writing credit issue until 1992, twenty years after the albums were released. Before 1992 in several interviews he acknowledge that Robbie had written a lot of the songs and that he had contributed little in that regard.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I think Robbie has been fairly consistent in what he has said over the years. He didn't want to tour but he was open to making new music with the other guys. He did make new music with Richard, Rich and Garth in the 1980s. There isn't any evidence of bad blood with anybody except Levon although, admittedly, Rick said a few negative things in the 1990s.


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Posted by:

Jack

Location: Texas

Subject: Song Credits

Does anyone have a reason to strongly believe (hot air doesn’t count) that Robbie did not rip off the rest of the members on song credits/publishing rights?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Doug Sahm

Ten years after (not the group), Doug Sahm would turn up on an album titled "The Return of the Formerly Brothers" with Amos Garrett and Gene Taylor. All of them had seen better days, and Amos had actually toured with them. Anyway, the Formerly Brothers sounds a lot like our Once Were Brothers.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Auteur theory

Put it another way. All of Robbie's solo albums were released in the UK. Only Levon's first solo with the RCO All Stars was released in the UK. I know. I travelled to London to get the others on import.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I think Dag did it with the statistics there, Ben.


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Posted by:

Bill M

If the GB has any Steve Martin fans with archivist or packrat tendencies, perhaps he or she can dig out the quote from after "The Jerk" when Steve says he quit touring once he found out how much more he earned in movies for working much less.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Sales

Robbie's album went gold (500,000 copies sold) in October 1988, according to the RIAA website. + 200,000 in Canada (2x platinum), 100,000 in the UK (gold)

Rick's album sold 100,000 copies (LA Times, December 1978).

Levon & the RCO All Stars sold 250,000 copies (Rolling Stone, April 1978).


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Posted by:

Pat B

I kinda think that article is tongue in cheek.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, as much as I Love you, I think your memory of what RR said publicly about the reformed Band is distinctly jaded. He actually gave some great reasons why they got back together--better than what the reforming members ever gave--and a good explanation why he wasn't into it.

Weird 4th of July. It's like most of the country is standing around saying, "I can't wait to get rid of this fucking guy."


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Doug Sahm vs. Rick Danko

Dag et al.: Doug Sahm did indeed join Rick Danko’s "group" for Rick’s 1977 solo debut. Sahm played guitar on two tracks, did horn arrangements and was featured quite prominently in the album artwork/inserts (see linked scan above). If they did have any further plans, it never materialized — Sahm did not appear live with Rick’s touring group AFAIK.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Desire

brown eyed girl, You're on the mark with the 'Hurricane' outtake. 'Desire' is a a great, epic album. It definitely has an international flavor. 'Oh sister', 'One more cup of coffee' and of course 'Mozambique'. I think it may be a bit underrated as it came after 'Blood on the tracks', but it really is an amazing album.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

While posting about Robbie....this Dylan version of one of his songs came on and I'm obsessed with it today.
The very beginning....musically the song has such a cool and breezy groove...the antithesis of the one we all know and the one I heard in NF NY and TO.....and yet it sounds familiar? I really like this version also...That's Dylan....change change change....Just sayin'.

Stay healthy
Stay Strong
Stay connected to music.
:-D


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, Robbie's debut did relatively well commercially but it certainly wasn't a smash hit. My recollection is that the sessions dragged on and on and that it wound up going way over budget. The album was very well hyped at the time of release with Robbie doing lots of high profile interviews and several music videos. But, I really think it was considered a commercial disappointment. Frankly, I don't know why David Geffen would have thought that a Robbie Robertson solo album would ever have the potential to be a big seller. The Band's commercial heyday was in I believe 1969-71. The muted commercial reception of 'NL-SC' in 1975 was one of the instigators for Robbie's decision to mastermind the last waltz.

My personal view of the album is mixed. There are some very good songs such as 'Broken arrow' and 'Somewhere down the crazy river'. But, I think that Daniel Lanois was an awful choice to produce. The production and the sound of the album have not aged well. I like Lanois' work with some other artists like Dylan, Emmylou Harris and Willie Nelson, but I just think he was the wrong man to work on this project.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...last BAM BAM BAM for today anyway.

Chris Willman..."Your sense of finality about the end of the Band always seemed fairly consistent, even after the other members were getting back together after all and touring together without you. This may seem like a stupid question, but did you ever have any fleeting second thoughts at all-especially in the days after Richard Manuel died-that maybe you should have gotten back together with them at least one more time while all the members were still alive?

Robbie...No. I really felt loyal to that. After awhile, when the other guys in the Band reunited...which I totally understood. If someone says, "Listen, this is in my blood, I can't help it, I've gotta do this, I've gotta go up and play in front of people, that's a big part of my life", I understand that. Or "I've got to make a living." I understand that very well. But it wasn't that way for me. I thought that this idea was on behalf of the Band, but apparently it was more my idea of what...

See the idea was really like, "Let's stop this. Let's get off the buses and the planes. Let's work in a way where we're thinking, "Ok, we've done this. What's our next musical evolution? Where can we go from here? What is gonna keep us on the edge, and make it exciting for us and make us do real good things?" That was the idea.

After we did The Last Waltz, someone had an idea that they'd want to try something, and I was going off to act in a movie and Levon was going off to act in some other movie...And that, I thought, was great. I thought, "Aha, now we're stretching, now everybody's spoke wheels are spreading out further, and I like that." But what it did was it just made everybody kind of drift, and then the idea of getting back together and working on these ideas became more and more remote all the time.

Then when they decided they were going to get together and go out and play, I never had anything to do with that. Because I thought, "God, I just made a movie and a three-record set about this! And then I just come out and say, "I've changed my mind?" I couldn't do that. I felt loyal to the idea. I'm not sayin' that they were disloyal to it, but I'm just sayin', I guess I was just talking more on behalf of what my idea was, speaking for everybody."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "Robbie Robertson" (1987)

It sold "fairly well"? But it's certified Platinum in the USA. Somewhere Down The Crazy River was #15 in the UK, where the album was gold certified.

I have had a late 90s (?) conversation with fans of Contact From The Underworld of Red Boy, informing them that Robbie used to play in a group called "The Band."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I used to care but things have changed....


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Reminiscences

About covers. This is really funny. At least for _me_ but probably for no one else.

Anyway, in the late sixties and early seventies we drove to rock festivals in Nordic countries. In the evenings young people gathered around us by the camp fire. Why? Because we made up a show, for sure, by singing A CAPELLA hundreds of years old folk songs. - I was surprised when our band leader's son posted an old version (year 1902) of the famous folk song which we used to do: "The Green Pastures Of Carelia".

If you are seriously bored you may want to check out this video (0:00 - 1:28). Just Google ' Anna ja Johannes Kormano 100 vuotta, muistelu 2008 ' and ' Matu pop '

Those days will never come back... and so it should be, right?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BILL M...My lawyer Tenn from LA is on it as I post....He will have a copyright for "just sayin'" for brown eyed girl. Just sayin'....I learned from Robbie himself to take care of business....or was it from BTO??

More BAM BAM BAM!

Chris Willman..."Why do you think it's been so easy for you not to want to go back, whereas for others it wasn't?

Robbie...I've always been much more attached to taking something out of the air that doesn't exist and making it exist. And in performance, what you're doing is you're repeating what you've done, or a variation on it. And it's exciting and creative on some level, but it's not the same thing to me. The most exciting thing to me is discovering something and finding a story that I want to tell or sounds and and an an ambience that expresses my emotions without words. That creative process to me is the most important."

Well....I've always found Dylan and Van more creative in that when you go to their concerts sometimes it takes a minute to figure out which song they're singing. Whereas the Band boots seem to sound the same to me. And as for the Reformed Band...They did not have the luxury to sit back and reflect and be creative while their royalties were coming in monthly. However, however....It is clear....The other members of The Band at one time did write some songs like Richard Manuel and Rick Danko but then things changed....as Dylan sings, didn't they?


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Posted by:

Ben

Subject: 4th of July songs

Another great 4th of July song is '4th of July' by the Blasters. Great song. Great band. I really think The Blasters were one of the very best exponents of Americana in the aftermath of the Band.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BAM LA'S MUSIC MAGAZINE

Robbie Robertson Spinning A New Wheel Of Fortune
January 15, 1988
Always free but not for brown eyed girl

You think they had a different sense of what the finality of the whole thing was, or they just changed their minds?

Robbie...Yeah. That's what it was. They changed their minds because they missed it so much. And they thought, "Well, we've got this thing, what are we supposed to do, are we supposed to just let it melt away?" I think they just missed it.

Some of them went out on the road individually, and with other outfits in the interim, but apparently it wasn't just the road they missed, but the whole sense of being the Band?

Robbie...I think that's just what they had to go on. That's what worked the best I guess. I'm not really positive of this, either. I'm kind of guessing, because I never sat down, and said to them, "Why are you doing this?" I never did that.
We would talk about it, and I would just say, "You've got my blessings. I hope that it really works well for you." I never ever wanted to try and get in their way or prevent it. They'd say, "Well listen, can we use the name and everything?" I thought "Of course." IT'S MORE UP TO THE AUDIENCE TO FIGURE IT OUT, TO PUT A MAKE ON THAT, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT."

Out of this world
Out of this mind
Out of this love for you
Out of this world
Out of the blue
Out of this love for you

Sometimes I don't know you
You're like someone else
But that's alright
I'm a stranger here myself

She don't shed a tear
When I walk out that door
She knows, she knows
I'll be coming back for more

HEALTHY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE MAN WHO GREW UP BY THE GRAND RIVER....ROBBIE ROBERTSON!

Yesterday I found out that a friend's partner passed in Nova Scotia. He was a meteorologist and she was a teacher who I met at the very first school I taught in former City of York. All three of us saw CSNY...and both of them and the South American guy saw Louuuu with me.

It was in their basement when they lived in Newmarket, Ontario where I discovered The Band website. I stay at their home on weekends. We'd catch a fire and when it was time to sleep....well, since high school my over active mind takes time to settle. I wasn't into meditating in my thirties. Since their computer was in the basement, I searched for Marley, Van, The Band....Yes! An interactive site. It was the Chat Room that I ran into an Aussie musician who chatted with me about music....my fave topic of discussion....and as it was time to sign off....He sang Robbie's lyrics to me. BEAUTIFUL... :-D


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I think your being overly generous in your view of Robbie's debut album. I seem to recall that the album went way over schedule and more importantly, over budget. While it sold fairly well, it was very heavily promoted, and I doubt that David Geffen made back his investment on the project.

No one is disputing the fact that Robbie had no interest in touring anymore, he made that abundantly clear in the interview segment of TLW. And that's fine, he certainly is entitled to live his life any way he pleases. My only point is that some of the comments he made about the the others reforming and touring were negative.


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, he meant it would have been horrible for him. He didn't say it was horrible for them to do it. As Bill M points out, Hoskyns ended up not liking Robbie … or Levon for that matter.

1987. Good sales of the solo album were taking off or about to take off - I just checked the release date. October 87. It also says "Certified Gold and Platinum." That's USA. Also Gold in Canada and in the UK. Lots of film soundtrack work.

It's a lifestyle choice. In his forties, he must have enjoyed working with film and music … matching it up is a fascinating process. The idea of doing the "second circuit" of venues (to be kind … i.e. not the big halls) did not appeal. I can see that. He's just having a very successful solo album take off … note he didn't choose to tour behind that either. So when he says he didn't want to tour, I'd take it he meant it. Ten years had passed. He's working with great people like Tony Levin, Manu Katche, Bill Dillon as the core band. If I were doing some Rolling Stone Best whatever, Tony Levin would be there in bass players and Manu Katche would be Top Ten easily in drummers … I've seen him play live.

Then add the guests … Garth on two, Peter Gabriel on two, U2, Larry Klein, Rick Danko popped in to sing on Sonny Got Caught In The Moonlight. The Gil Evans horn section. Ivan Neville. The BoDeans and Maria McKee.Terry Bozzio.

So surrounded by all those inspiring musicians doing new material, would he really have felt, "Hey, I could be playing a 1000 seat cinema with Levon and the boys, doing Caldonia instead!'


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Music - for the change. GOOD MUSIC! (Thread: cover)

This is what was left of our school boy band. They play Buffalo Springfield. Just google ' For What It's Worth - Bina Nkwazi & Bina Band '.

Makes me feel good and remember when I played bass and harmonica . . . for a looooooong time ago!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Bill, I find the line about the reformed Band 'not staying up too late' to be snarky and condescending. I agree however, that it can be interpreted differently. But, the quote from p374 of Hoskyns 'my idea of horrible' doesn't leave much wiggle room for interpretation.

In Levon/Davis' book there's a passage during the meeting leading up to the last waltz in which Levon brings up the possibility of the Band continuing without Robbie and he was told that that was not an option. I don't have the book in front of me, so I can't provide the exact quote.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Happy 77th birthday, Robbie


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Posted by:

Bill M

Ben: I think Lisa was referring to just the "don't stay up late" line, and I don't see how the Hoskyns bit affects the interpretation of that line. Also, since Hoskyns seldom goes out of his way to make Robbie look good, I think it's fair to read the closing sentence of that paragraph, which is not in quotes, as paraphrasing what Robbie went on to say - which was something relatively positive. In any case I don't see how Robbie could possibly have vetoed the others using the group name. Even if Robbie had argued that Levon was a latecomer so should have a vote, that would still be three votes to one if it came to that. Couldn't the other four have voted Robbie off the island in keeping with what seems to have been normal practice back in the day? (Is this the appropriate place for me to type "Just sayin'."?)


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Posted by:

Ben

Subject: Robbie

Peter, I think that overall Robbie has been pretty consistent over the years in his version of events. Certainly more consistent Levon, but in this instance he has certainly changed his story. That's fine, he's entitled to, but I think you need to acknowledge that he had a very negative view of the reunion back in the 80's. I'm not sure when his views changed, but calling the reunion 'my idea of horrible' is pretty damning.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, Are you being serious? I think it's understood that the other 4 who participated in the reunion didn't think the idea of reforming was horrible.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Not really. he said MY idea of horrible. He didn't say "THE idea was horrible.' So not for him in 1987 when he spoke. I think he's allowed to express it differently in 1983 and in 2020.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: RR on the Band reforming in 1987

Here's the relevant passage on page 374 of the Hoskyns book.....To Robbie, whose blessing the others needed, the idea of a reunion was indeed anathema. 'I'd made a movie and a three album set about the fact that The Band was over,' he said in 1987. 'To come out a few years later and say, "just kidding... I mean, that's my idea of horrible.' But he knew the livlihoods of his old cohorts might depend on re-forming, and graciously said he would not stand in their way.....

Peter and LIsa, that's a far cry from what RR said in the recent RS interview and I don't see that this leaves much open to interpreation.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: The Group

Wow. Never heard of The Group before. Anyone have the back story?


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko's new band, The Group

Newspaper cutting from 1977.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Sat Jul 4 16:41:21 by sign 'Norm J'

To webmaster jh: I thought political posts were banned here. (OK, it's your call anyway.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: This Band

If you study the small print on labels the 90s ones refer to This Band rather than The Band. They traded as The Band but it looks like the legal name was This Band.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Saturday

Happy Fourth to friends and Band fans south of the 49th.


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Posted by:

Rod

BEG. Agree.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

— From the Archive: The Origin of “Strange Fruit,” Billie Holiday’s Ballad Against Racism found below the Godfather of Grunge article.

Just before we were about to walk off our jobs begin a political protest against our Conservative Government; as educators we all met at Maple Leaf Gardens and the song that gave us energy to keep on keepin' on....as it was not a legal strike no pay or benefits for two weeks was......
Tom Petty's "I WON'T BACK DOWN"!!!!!

The same summer I was waiting for Mr. Maximus and his family to pick me up at the Moncton, New Brunswick Airport....while waiting for my luggage, who do I see also waiting for his luggage????!!!! Yuck! Premier Harris....Ohhhhh.....I had to bite my tongue.....Ohhhhhhh.....The one who messed up our educational system and who was only a teacher himself for three weeks....HA!

As for Robbie and the Reformed Band using The Band name Robbie said in the late 80's in BAM magazine that it was fine with him. Their audiences would decide.....I say there was only one THE BAND....just like the original Santana Band was magical and so innovative for their time....They were also never the same once key members left the group. Just sayin'.....If you don't have writers in any group.....just sayin'.....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Neil Young—Just Like The Rolling Stones, Rihanna, REM, Etc.—Blasts Trump For Using His Song, Again


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: TWOF again

My favourite version is the Basement Tapes cut. Also prefer the BT version of Tears Of Rage. Dylan could sing when he tried.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Exactly how I read it, Lisa.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Happy belated birthday, Peter, and happy Fourth of July to all!

Ben, I remember the interview you were talking about (I probably have it around somewhere), but I got a totally different take on it - to me when he said he hoped they had a real good time and didn't stay up too late it was said as a joke and with affection, not scorn and condescension ... just a matter of interpretation?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Awwww....I messed up.

THE PETER V'S BIRTHDAY was actually two days ago on July 2.

HEALTHY HAPPY belated BIRTHDAY!!!!!

:-D


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Trump & A Jackson

Trump is an example of my country’s ignorance about its own history. On one hand, last night, he roared out that our history be preserved by these monuments and called Andrew Jackson “the great”. It’s an example of how ignorant he is and how these monuments set out in stone the lies and inaccuracies we’ve been taught. I think we need a place similar to a never-again holocaust museum to house and explain our worst historical figures, like Jackson. A museum is a better place for these characters than edifying them with glorious monuments.

Pat B - I recall, not certain, that you’re a Civil War scholar? The question I’m interested in is whether that war and keeping the South was worth its cost? Superficially at least, it seems that we could be such a better place if we weren’t held back by the South, to this day.


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Posted by:

Jack

Location: Texas

I just recently discovered “The Band” and have spent days reading and watching everything that I could find on them, I am so grateful that I stumbled upon “The Last Waltz” on Prime and decided to take a look. To me this is music from heaven.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Ben, the 90s Band opened the Carnegie Hall '97 show with One More Shot, appropriately enough. A bit ragged but it felt right.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Seminole Wind

Who would ever believe that the great country of the United States would regress to the point where they have a fool for a president that would go out of his way daily to insult and slap in the face all races of man kind.

This championing of what he calls "our heros and legacy" is a slap in the face to all African Americans, Indigenous people, Veterans who fight and have fought for their country and the list goes on.

Makes me sick to my stomach to watch that fool stand in front of the world and spew his crap.

To all the different people of that country whose ancestors immigrated to the country and fought for a peaceful healthier life, enjoy your July 4 remembering just what it took to get there. This is a tribute for the holiday to remember these people and what they have had to give up.

I suppose if they wanted to carve Trump into that hill, it would be a horse's ass.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Just looked it up. The theme song was removed on US DVDs. It was Julie Driscoll & Ade Edmondson (Jennifer Saunders’ husband) worldwide. On the “Last Shout” special show, they had a version with Marianne Faithful and P.P. Arnold, and Hermione Demoriane did it in French for the “Paris” episode. Later, Debbie Harry did it for the Xmas Special “Gay” and Kylie Minogue did it for the feature film. It was bigger in Canada than the USA judging by Wiki, but it was a worldwide hit show. Didn’t Rick say the royalty cheques from Ab Fab were his lifeline in the 90s?

But over the years, the song has been recorded many times and is well known by Dylan (live), Julie Driscoll, The Byrds and Siouxsie & The Banshees had a hit version without knowing of the Dylan connection.

Yes, they should have done Dixie.

They did Blue River and Driftin’ Away on Toronto radio and in Tokyo. They worked.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Happy 4th of July! Favourite 4th of July song without a doubt is Bruce Springsteen's 'Sandy' from his second album 'The Wild, the innocent and the E street shuffle. Runner up would be 'Saturday in the park' by Chicago.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, I think you're making a much bigger deal about TWOF and Ab-Fab then is realistic. In the U.S, the show was not a mainstream hit, it was a more of a cult show. I really don't think there was a much of a cross over between the Band's vomit and sawdust audience and the Ab-Fab audience. And, it's my understanding that the Band's version of the song wasn't even used on the show, so I just don't think The Band playing the song in the 90's would have made any significant difference in their career trajectory.

You definitely have a point about the lack of merchandising. I saw the 90's Band 3 times and I only recall them having a merch table at 1 show (I bought a hat and t-shirt).But, let's be realistic, if there's one song that they should have been playing at every concert, it's 'Dixie', it's their best known song (along with 'the weight), so for Levon to refuse to play it after TLW really seems self-defeating.

Interesting comment about the DFA material.'Blue river' and 'Driftin away' are great songs, but they're far too slow and genteel for the Band. Maybe 'All creation' or 'Sick and tired' or 'One more shot' (which Levon performed solo) would have been good candidates for the Band to perform.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It was the fourth of July
You and I were
you and I were fire, fire fireworks
that went off too soon
And I miss you in the June gloom too
It was the fourth of July
You and I were,
you and I were fire, fire, fireworks
I said I'd never miss you, but I guess you'll never know
Where the bridges I have burned never really led home
On the fourth of July

Chicago's suburb of Wilmette...Fall Out Boy...Fourth Of July

For ILLKA..."When Butch Dener arrived in New Paltz in 1968 he discovered a small college town that was a mecca for sex , drugs, and rock and roll. Since that time his travels as the Road Manager for "The Band" took him across the globe. Still, he continued to find his way back to New Paltz. That is why it is fitting our conversation took place at Mohonk Mountain, not even a mile from the house I grew up in."


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: This Wheels . . .

This song is the ONLY ONE which is beginning in MINOR! (Just to know...)


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NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: To Mr. Leon Dener about The Band

Sir,

I hope everything is right on this difficult time, Mr. Dener.

Many gbers appreciate your experience on The Band. We are mostly from different parts of the world far away from upstate New York: Europe, New Zeeland, Australia and even from India. We all love the music of The Band. We are hungry for your stories on The Band, naturally most on Mr. Helm.

Please share your memories somewhere on the net - even if not in this forum.

Thank you

sign. NorthWestCoaster


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Posted by:

Rod

Agree Peter. They did TWOF right up to and including TLW. I think Rick did it live in the 70s as well. Maybe vocally it was more demanding as they got older/lazier. Robert Plant said he could still do the Immigrant Song in his latter years but he would need to work up to it a few weeks in advance. No doubt though that the 90s Band was Levons band.

Amazon River Of Dreams has cut some slack around various sites but I like it as it breaks away from the formula a bit.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: This Wheel's On Fire (song)

This Wheel’s On Fire must have been the best-known non-Robbie song. It was also the title of Levon’s book, so perfect product placement. I saw the 90s Band in Canada and the UK and neither time did they have a table with T-shirts and CDs. They should have had current CDs, solo CDs, The New Orleans DVD, DFA CDs, piles of Levon’s book (signed). The "business" end was lacking.

Admittedly, I think Julie Driscoll did it best of all, and marginally I prefer The Byrds version to The Band version but that’s not the point. After AbFab started in 1992, it was a song they should have played every time they got on a stage. The DFA songs appeared in a couple of early shows and were never seen again. All Our Past Times is a great song (on Clapton’s No Reason To Cry and Complete TLW).

I say this about once every couple of weeks but the 90s Band’s greatest weakness was under-using Rick’s voice and failing to perform Rick’s songs.

I don’t think the 90s Band was in any way a democracy.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Wallsend, Well I listened to the first 10 minutes of the interview and was very surprised by Robbie's comments regarding the Band reforming. This is not what he was saying years ago. I recall reading several interviews from the 80's or 90's in which he expressed exasperation and condescension about it. I distinctly remember him saying in one interview that he hopes they have a real good time and don't stay up too late, He also said in another interview that he thought it was terrible that they were touring again a few years after he had made the last waltz.

I'm glad that he is taking a more generous tone about it, but at this point, he is the last man standing, so it wouldn't serve much of a purpose for him to criticise the others for reforming nearly 40 years ago. Of course it is unfortunate that they couldn't come up with an agreement for him to be involved with providing material for them ala Brian Wilson with the Beach boys.


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Posted by:

Rod

From what I understand Levon never sold his shares in The Band so he must have retained his rights to use that name. There is some mention that Storyville could have been a Band album.

There's a bunch of good songs The reformed Band could have used but didn't - while staying away from Robbie songs (if that was an issue). Blues for Breakfast, New Mexicoe, Small Town Talk, TWOF, Bessie Smith, Street Walker, Washer Woman, Junkyard Blues, Strawberry Wine. Moondog Matinee. At least they brought Life Is A Carnival back in the 90s.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, it is probably best if you listen to the interview yourself. Jan linked it on the Whats New page.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BILL M...The previous links I provided....If you keep scrolling and scrolling you'll see the Band that my brother knew the guitarist from the Grand River.
I think this is the Doc you were asking about awhile ago? I was thinking about the previous one that Mr. Maximus and I saw at the Bloor Cinema.

For GLENN as well....I forgot another housemate I lived with for a short time at the Women's Co-Op was a Black Rasta. My previous housemate in this two bedroom apartment was from Taiwan and she was studying Interior Design. Anyway, my new housemate couldn't relate to me as I was a reggae fan since the mid-seventies but I'm not a religious person. I have evolved from an atheist to an agnostic. So there was always some tension between us as she was the real deal. One day something happened without my knowledge and she lost it. As I was trying to take out some cutlery from our kitchen drawer she slammed my wrist inside the drawer.....No pain as I just happened to be wearing a bracelet which protected my wrist but put a dent in my bracelet. At that point I told one of my closest friends....The Scotsman......He immediately said we'll rent a place together while you continue your Child Studies....and that's what friends are for....Oddly enough music wasn't in his life much. He did however, take me to the gay clubs and I had a great time dancing the night away....beautiful person. Yup. At that time in my life I was just open to different experiences. Some were good for your soul, some were crazy fun, some were enlightening and have shaped my values and what's important in my life.... but of course when you're a very open person who is navigating without many boundaries in your life; it can take you to many dangerous places as well. Luckily I was always quite grounded as a person so even though I lost my way at times I always had my education to bring me back to a safe place which eventually gave me direction and purpose. Also my friend told me that I inspired him to become a teacher as well..... :-D He ended up teaching at an Alternative School as I eventually did.....

"Bob Marley was born on 6 February 1945 at the farm of his maternal grandfather in Nine Mile, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica, to Norval Sinclair Marley and Cedella Malcolm.[14] Norval Marley was a white Jamaican originally from Sussex, whose family claimed to have Syrian Jewish origins.[15][16][17] Norval claimed to have been a captain in the Royal Marines;[18] at the time of his marriage to Cedella Malcolm, an Afro-Jamaican then 18 years old, he was employed as a plantation overseer.[18][19] Bob Marley's full name is Robert Nesta Marley, though some sources give his birth name as Nesta Robert Marley, with a story that when Marley was still a boy a Jamaican passport official reversed his first and middle names because Nesta sounded like a girl's name.[20][21] Norval provided financial support for his wife and child but seldom saw them as he was often away. Bob Marley attended Stepney Primary and Junior High School which serves the catchment area of Saint Ann.[22][23] In 1955, when Bob Marley was 10 years old, his father died of a heart attack at the age of 70.[24] Marley's mother went on later to marry Edward Booker, a civil servant from the United States, giving Marley two half-brothers: Richard and Anthony."

Bob Marley at 75: Ziggy Marley reflects on his late father's incredible, and very human, legacy

For Ziggy, it’s not about the record sales or the accolades; Bob Marley taught him to be a good person

CBC Radio · Posted: Jun 29, 2020

JB follow Jason Booth 1 day ago Interesting historical note: Marley was the first artist from a developing nation to have a #1 international best selling hit.

2 days ago He sold his father's likeness and name to just about every company imaginable (headphones, energy drinks etc) and he has the audacity claim his father taught him it wasn't about record sales or accolades (money/success)

Boooooooooo to you Ziggy you sell out. your father would be ashamed.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, thanks for providing the quote. That pretty much confirms what I had suspected. In every account I've read about the Band reforming, there is a reference to a call being made to Robbie. In some versions, he is asked to participate, in other he is just being notified of their intention. So, I always assumed that he had to sign off on them using the Band name. I've read several interviews with Robbie in which he says that he thought it was terrible that they began touring again a few years after the last waltz, but that he knew they needed the money.

So, Wallsend, I'm pretty surprised by your comment that Robbie said that he would have reunited with the Band to make new music in 1983. The only reference to making new music with the Band is the story that Robbie has told about being the only one to show up for a session and waiting around for an hour or two before leaving. Is that what you are referring to? If so, I'm pretty sure that session would have occurred in the late 70's, a number of years before the Band reformed in 83.

Peter, I wasn't even thinking about Rick singing 'This wheel's on fire'. To be honest, that song was never a favourite of mine. I think that the best version of it is the one released posthumously on 'Times like these'. That is a really moving performance. I really wish that Rick would have played 'Tombstone, tombstone' live with the Band. That is a killer song and really could have been a highlight of their shows.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Karl

Peter - I reckon you’re remembering Karl Wallendsuz. Karl was an early GBer. Lived in Oxford. We traveled together to a couple of Band related events in London.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sip the Wine is a dubious credit, but a good song. Why didn’t the 90s Band play This Wheel’s On Fire? From 1992 it featured in AbFab and was extremely well-known and a 50% Danko song? Weird.


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Posted by:

Rod

John Simons book is great. Like Small Town Talk it fills in a few gaps in The Band story.

Speaking of which, Thursday was a big day. Once Were Brothers arrived in the mail and I got my Ibanez Howard Roberts back from the luthier. So, come Friday night I put the disc on to watch it and it's the wrong region code :-( Seems like they don't want anyone outside of North America to watch thing thing. Fortunately I have two teenage boys who helped me with an alternative strategy for watching it. (I'd lost $50 on this one so didn't feel too guilty).The movie itself was good - especially the unseen photos and film. Dominique Robertson is the most interesting of the guests and provides some insights that only a wife could. It seems that Robbie was more family focused than the other guys and wasn't so much into the party life. He also had other aspirations. Nothing particularly new there but interesting coming from someone that close to The Band. Likewise there's nothing new about the feud but Larry Campbell's comment at the end about Levon's bitterness confirms what alot of us have suspected all along.

All in all I thought this doco was a bit pointless. The Last Waltz was a fitting farewell to The Band. This one explains why TLW happened but ended up leaving a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. And there was nothing on Shangri-La

The Howard Roberts is playing really well. Pleased with that.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, in the recent audio interview that was posted in Rolling Stone Robbie spoke briefly about the reformed Band. He said they asked him if he wanted to participate and if it was OK to use the name The Band. He said he didn't want to rejoin unless they were going to make new music but he didn't want to stand in the way of them doing anything. I think him giving 'permission' to use the name wasn't in a legal sense but just in a collegial sense.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ben....The exact reference John Simon made in his book was "he (Levon) reconstituted "The Band" under that name, which Robbie had allowed the remaining members to use"

Among several other interesting things I learned in John Simon's book was that RCO was pronounced "Our Company"


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Posted by:

Ben

Kevin, I take a more benign view of Townshend than you. I've always perceived him as being honest and not pulling punches. He's been much harder on himself than on his bandmates over the years.

The comment from the John Simon book about Robbie having to give the Band permission to reform is something I've long wondered about. In Levon's book, he states that Robbie would have blocked the others from continuing as the Band without Robbie in 1976, so I wonder if Robbie actually controls the name "The Band". Anyone have any info on this?

Peter, you make an interesting point about Rick's songs with the 90's Band. It would have been wonderful if he would have played some gems from his album like 'Sip the wine', or 'New Mexicoe' rather than 'Crazy mama'. I always enjoyed when the Band played 'Java Blues', but they dropped that one from their setlist sometime in the 80's. However, I don't really know if it's fair to blame Levon for Danko's song choices. Do you really think that Levon had carte blanch to dictate the setlist?


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Posted by:

Peter V

I think that defines the problem with the 90s Band. Levon wanted a dull pedestrian bass player to plow stolidly through Caldonia and Stuff You Gotta Watch rather than the musical genius of Rick Danko? That’s why they played crap like the above and didn’t play great Rick Danko songs. No wonder Rick looked so bored playing that shit when he could have been singing way better stuff.

What was that Christgau one word review of Levon? Boogie. Thank goodness Larry Campbell and Amy Helm diverted him into doing two great albums after the tedious stuff he preferred.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Great Bass Players

Béla Fleck and the Flecktones.....early 1990's....they were just starting their run as a group and I was invited to see them at a club in Montreal called The Spectrum. Their bass player blew the roof off the place. He was sensational. Jaw dropping sensational. Victor Wooten.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Correction...

The quote from TRUTH, LIES & HEARSAY about Levon on Rick's playing was on the Jericho album - not Jubilation. I tend to mix those titles up.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I think both of those quotes probably reflect band members mutually exhausted with each other, which is not unreasonable over decades. I remember Rick and Levon seemed to have some friction around the time of Jubilation, though was never sure of the whole story.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

TRUTH, LIES & HEARSAY it should have been , of course.

Ben....More to do with Townshend being a prick at times. He's an insecure guy and there always seems to be underlying examples of that in most things he says about his band mates and has said about them over the years. Moon would have been difficult to play with though but he's also said that the only reason his singer looks over at him on stage is because he resents his presence. Come on!


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Kevin J

Subject: Levon Helm less than impressed with his bass player....

John Simon notes in his biography TRUTH, LIES AND HERESAY that when The Band reformed with Robbie having given the boys permission to use the name, that Levon had some issues with Rick Danko's playing on the Jubilation album.

"Then Levon told me that he had enough of playing with Rick's melodic bass playing and craved a steady, more conventional player. So, Rob Leon, a Woodstock fixture would play most of the bass parts on the album."


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, I've read those comments. They created a bit of an uproar among Who fans and then Pete issued a clarification. I'm not a musician, so I have no opinion on whether Pete's comments make any sense from a musical standpoint. I'm strictly a listener, and Entwistle's bass playing is very forceful and distinctive, he really played bass like it was a lead instrument. And of course, The Who were such a visual band. With Moon flailing on drums, Pete doing windmills or smashing his guitar, Roger throwinh his mic around in wild arcs like a lasso and then Entwistle standing like a piece of taxidermy. Just brilliant. The Who and The Band are two of my musical totems.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Pete Townshend in Rolling Stone on his late band members:

"It's not going to make WHO fans very happy, but thank God they're gone," he said. "Because they were fucking difficult to play with. They never, ever managed to create bands for themselves. I think my musical discipline, my musical efficiency as a rhythm player, held the band together."

Townshend said Entwistle's "bass sound was like a Messiaen organ," with "every note, every harmonic in the sky. When he passed away and I did the first few shows without him, with Pino [Palladino] on bass, he was playing without all that stuff … I said, 'Wow, I have a job.'"

The guitarist was equally brutal in his recollection of Moon, saying: "With Keith, my job was keeping time, because he didn't do that. So when he passed away, it was, like, 'Oh, I don't have to keep time anymore.'"


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Another musician who I feel blessed to have met at Hugh's Room.....STEVE FORBERT...who now has his own brown eyed girl from Jersey.....So happy Mr. Maximus took photos of us together..... :-D It would also be the very last time I'd run into Blind Willie McTell...Mark from Toronto as he passed in 2016. Mark and I exchanged music. He really loved the music of The Band....really.....One of the very best benefits about this GB, besides the people I met either in Toronto, NYC, New Jersey or the many others by phone calls, emails, GB interactions as well as the many gifts I received whether it was music related or a huge arrangement of flowers at my doorstep....In praise of the The Band Guest Book!!!!

Healthy Happy Independence Day Weekend to all my American brothers and sisters!!! :-DTHE AMERICAN IN ME - STEVE FORBERT


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: The Ox

I think John Entwistle was one of the greatest and most distinctive rock bassists. He also wrote a handful of very good songs, 'Boris the Spider', 'My wife', '905', 'The quiet one'.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bass Players To Know: Rick Danko

Ryan Madora
Ryan Madora
Friday, June 20th, 2014


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bass Players To Know

Hi Dunc...It's all good....music is music. Some musicians resonate with us and some don't. After I posted Too Close To Heaven by The Waterboys...I was seriously considering on moving on because there isn't any The Band song that has moved me as that song did. Maybe it just reminded me of where I was at a couple of years ago....It hit me so hard that I kept playing it over and over and was reminded of how close to heaven I was....I'm such a control freak that I only knocked on heaven's door quietly and left quietly.....Like Richard Manuel I feel things too deeply. Like Rick Danko I have nervous energy. Like Levon Helm forgiveness does not come easily...Since my mother's passing I'm much better....Like Garth Hudson I know very well the healing power of music. Like Robbie Robertson I'm a control freak. ;-D


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

I missed the Waterboys, BEG, not my era. But I did see ex Waterboy, Sharon Shannon, and guests the January before last. It was a great concert with Irish and African musicians.

About 20 years ago, I knew a guy, a teacher in a neighbouring school, who after his marriage broke up, wrapped his job and joined the Findhorn community. Some people sneered at his action at the time, but he was still there last I heard a few years ago.

I noticed that the Findhorn Community is in trouble because they can’t run their workshops because of COVID, but are doing meditations on line. You would be able to see the type of activities, Mike Scott did. I’m not into meditating, but as they say whatever gets you through the night.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bass-ically …

Bass players. The list actually made me angry. While James Jamerson, Duck Dunn, Larry Graham and Carole Kaye are rightly acknowledged with high placings, Three omissions leap out that are Top Ten … John Wetton, Jack Casady and Bakithi Kumalo. Listen to King Crimson 1974, especially as more live recordings emerge. Robert Fripp has said that at that time John Wetton was the best young bass player in the world. Right. King Crimson in 1974 with Bruford and Wetton were so powerful.

Jack Casady underpinned Jefferson Airplane (who suffered from weak drumming so needed a great bass player to lead the section) but his work with Hot Tuna is incredible. Bass as a lead instrument. Phil Lesh gets in … I’d pair Casady and Lesh as cases where the bass player was central to the band.

I’ve seen Bakithi Kumalo with Paul Simon. That’s the magic of the sound of South Africa. I’d add Roscoe Beck who led Leonard Cohen’s band as MD and bass player, as one of the best I’ve seen on stage for sheer musicality.

Ludicrous inclusions are Lemmy (what? Seen him. Inept.) and Bill Wyman. Look at the credits and how often Keef or Ronnie actually played bass on the records. I’ve seen him on tour twice in recent years and he’s the weakest point in the band. Softly strummed single notes with a farty tone.

Charles Mingus? He never played rock or anything like it. Including him is like asking, who is the better pianist? Rachmaninov, Liberace or Garth Hudson? Where would you compare them and why?

I’m clearly biased on John Wetton, but I also had many discussions with him. He always rated Paul McCartney the best, and classed Rick Danko with him stylistically, saying with both of them, it wasn’t technically what they played, but no one else would have chosen those notes. In soul band days, John could play just like James Jamerson which is why that band were so good. We discussed John McVie. We both saw him with John Mayall and with early Fleetwood Mac and thought his playing then was terminally boring. However, with later Fleetwood Mac McVie developed a rhythmic bounce that became a signature and few could imitate it perfectly, though the fingers on frets bit wasn’t hard. McVie deserves inclusion because his bass was so much the sound of that band. When I saw them, nearly twenty years ago, he was the only one who didn’t have a “ghost player” in the shadows too.

We also discussed Jaco Pastorius, and John admired him because he used to play like that when he was younger too (but added he’d never heard Jaco play anything he couldn’t play), but said melodically McCartney was head and shoulders better musically and inventively. John also rated his King Crimson replacement, Tony Levin highly.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: RS Lists

The Rolling Stone Magazine Top 100 lists have been absurd since they started......their two first ones were “Top 100 Guitar Players” where they had Neil Young ahead of Chet Atkins and Neil Lifeson and John Lennon ahead of the likes of Dickie Betts and Rory Gallagher !

Can anyone forget their “Top 100 Rock Vocalists” where Kurt Cobain - and folks, trust me when I tell you that nobody could make this up - placed ahead of Paul Rodgers......Oh, and to make the list even more obscene - Axl Rose was placed ahead of Wilson Pickett ! Want more of a reason to cry in your beer - Richard Manuel was not even rated in the top 100 vocalists in rock music. .


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Bill M

Location: Terronno
Web: My link

BEG: I've spoken to three of the Ardels over the years - Jim Pernokis in 1978, Dave Burt (not to be confused with Dave Burt of Merryweather) in 1980 and Doug Dixon in 2014 (?) Among other things, Burt told me that Doug Dixon had previously played in a group with Richard Bell; Pernokis told me that Fred Masson (the source for the article you linked to) had been replaced by Roger Charlesworth from the RTKs, another of Richard Bell's early groups. R was for Roger; T was for Terry Bush, who'd been something of an inspiration to Neil Young in the early '60s and who would replace Dominic Troiano in Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks; and K was for Kirk Shearer, who took over for Levon in the Hawkins band.

Dixon I encountered much more recently and by happenstance. We happened upon Little Caesar and the Consuls playing and stuck around for a dance or two. The only guy left from the Consuls of the '60s was sax-man Norm Sherrat, a co-founder of the group who dated back to the Consuls of the '50s, when Gene MacLellan and Robbie Robertson were in the group. But Doug Dixon was now their singing guitar-player. Here's Doug with the Ardels doing their most memorable song, notable for the Bo Diddley beat and a nice Robbie-style guitar solo by Jim Pernokis.

The article at the link was still very good. For me, the friendship with the Fireflies in the Sault solved a little mystery. Ages ago - late '70s - Sault native Keith McKie, former leader of Kensington Market, gave me a test pressing of an unreleased Ardels EP. In the mid '60s Keith was in a somewhat successful Sault Ste Marie group, the Vendettas, who'd moved to Toronto, signed on with Ronnie Hawkins' short-lived talent agency and acquired a pianist, Scott Cushnie from the Consuls, the Suedes and the Hawks - all with Robbie. I always wondered how Keith came to have the Ardels record, seeing the two groups were oceans apart musically and geographically. But now I know. Paul Shaffer's autobiography talks of him being inspired to move to Toronto by the Vendettas' stories of the girls here. (Of course, he convinced his parents that his only desire was to go to the best university in the country for dentistry (or whatever it was).)


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Rod

Joe, haven't looked at that list yet. Always interesting but I suspect RS choose their list based on influence rather than technical ability. Macca for instance has influenced a truck load of bass players as has Rick. Wouldn't rate either them as great technically compared to Jaco or Stanley Clarke. Agree that they shouldn't really include jazz players but Jaco for instance has played some great stuff for artists like Joni Mitchell.

It always amazed me that Neil Young would show up in similar lists for guitar players. Very influential but not one of the greats.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Rick

RS has listed the greatest bass players of all time and Rick placed #20. Jaco Pastorius placed #6. Not sure it makes a lot of sense to mix jazz and rock musicians here. I think the GBers will have some comments on some of the choices of RS. joe


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Peter V

Didn't Karl Wallinger post here in the early days? I have had correspondence with him, I'm sure. Maybe it was off the site.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and probably the very first Waterboys song I heard via of my brother who will turn 69 next month. Same age as Virgil but while my brother was immersed in West Coast American music and British music; Virgil was heavily into jazz and blues....especially more obscure jazz and blues. As long as someone is passionate about their music...no matter what genre of music..... :-D


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

We Will Not Be Lovers...THE WATERBOYS

Secret Ingredient....Steve Wickham

Born Dublin, Republic of Ireland Genres Rock, folk, folk rock, country Occupation(s) Singer-songwriter, musician Instruments Vocals, Fiddle Violin, Mandolin Tin Whistle Concertina Saxophone Piano Guitar


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

You just stepped into the main track climbed down off the fence Words are your weapon lies are your defense I know what you want and I see what you see You're looking for somebody but he isn't me Find yourself another because we will not be lovers How your eyes are like tortures and your presence is bliss I never knew time could speed and zip like this The touch of your flesh is tough to resist Planets collide, collide at the smack of your kiss But you can kiss your brother because we will not be lovers Now you're pulling down curtains You've been sparking old flames You've been causing disturbance crying for shame You've been Knocking on doors You've been abusing my name You've been casting up doubt you've been throwing your blame But you can throw it at your mother we will not be lovers Now the world's full of trouble everybody's scared The landlords are frowning cupboards are bare People are scrambling like dogs for a share It's cruel and its hard but it's nothing compared to what we do to each other to each other We will not be lovers! we will not be lovers, no We will not be lovers, no

Michael Scott
We Will Not Be Lovers
lyrics © Warner Chappell Music, Inc


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I got an extra glimpse of the truth today Staring at my breakfast When I thought I heard it say Fighting is no good Success an empty lie. The treasure hunt is lonely Until you realize.

We came to take it up We came to take it up We came to take it up We came to raise it up Came to take it up Came to move it up.

I promise you miss, I will do my best today But somebody keeps trying to make me Trying to make me lose my way But I believe, oh my darling, I believe in you And I hope when you hear this You'll remember what we were sent to do

PAT B...I don't forget about Karl Wallinger...born in Wales? You must have ESP as after I posted info about Mike Scott I thought the same thing....Where is Karl Wallinger??????!!!!!! I've posted many times his masterpiece Ship Of Fools. Today I'm posting another one that's always on my Nano.

"Karl Wallinger joined the group in 1983, shortly after its formation. He left the group two years later, but in that relatively short period made important contributions to both A Pagan Place and This Is the Sea. (I saw both Mike Scott and Karl Wallinger at the Phoenix Club)....:-D...He co-wrote "Don't Bang the Drum", the environmentalism anthem on the latter album. His keyboards and synthesiser work expanded the group's sound, and he also did some studio work for demo sessions. Wallinger's World Party project was heavily influenced by his work with The Waterboys." His work is also influenced by The Beatles whereas Mike Scott is more influenced by Van and Dylan.....brown eyed girl

"Take It Up" is track 7 on Goodbye Jumbo, the second album by World Party. Originally released in 1990 on Ensign/Chrysalis, the album was essentially a solo project by Karl Wallinger, aided by a number of guest artists, including Sinéad O'Connor and former members of The Waterboys."


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Pat B

Let's not forget Karl Wallinger from World Party who was the keyboardist Waterboy for Whole of the Moon and came up with the fantastic "1999" synth part for the song--along with the equally great piano parts. That song might be the perfect pop song.


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brown eyed girl

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Now I know this hurt you're feeling I've felt these same things too I've got spaces way down deep inside of me that are just the same as you You want to wrap your arms around your head, turn out the lights And roll yourself into a ball You got too close to heaven, that's all

Are you blinded by the brilliance? Are you dazzled by the Light? Why is it I see nothing but emptiness in your tired beaten eyes That once were bright I know you just can't help but run when you hear that sweet voice call You got too close to heaven, that's all

I walked a mile for you baby So won't you smile for me baby?

OMG!!!!! For two years I was too close to heaven. Where was this song then? First time ever hearing this song....Feeeeeling too much here..... love you Mike Scott...A Sagittarian and born only three days after me.....I will always be blessed that I saw you in my hood in the eighties! In praise of Mike Scott. LONG LIVE MIKE SCOTT!!!!!! OMG!!


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brown eyed girl

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We were having dinner at my brother's and this song comes through loud and clear. I yelled where did you get that song? I don't have that one! Apparently the friend who set my brother up with catering jobs to musicians like Annie Lennox, Simple Minds, Stevie Ray Vaughan....Awww.....Where was Big Country??? All these bands played at the school where my brother received his BA in history and where I hear Bill M now works....Huh Bill? I am listening to it right now to get myself ready to face the world outside of my isolated bubble.
This was the last week that Public Health checked in on me...lol....I thought my journey had passed. Anyway, I told my contact to have her supervisor contact me as she deserved an excellent report for the manner in which she communicated with me. Too many people in this world need to be recognized more often for their work. All work has value. And as my Ma instilled in me....Do your best work no matter what job you are undertaking. Yes, I am very opinionated about everything....I share opinions. Therefore I am.... ;-D

"`I was six or seven when I noticed the music in my head. It was there in the classroom, on the football pitch, at the dinner table, when I went to sleep and when I woke up. And it s continued ever since. As a teenager in Scotland, Mike Scott played in punk and garage bands, hitchhiked to see Bob Dylan play, and scammed his way into Patti Smith s inner circle during an eye-opening weekend in London. In 1983 he formed The Waterboys with an ever-rotating cast of collaborators including The Fellow Who Fiddles (Steve Wickham) and The Human Saxophone (Anthony Thistlethwaite) and soon found international success with the `big music sound of songs like `Don t Bang The Drum and `The Whole Of The Moon . In 1986 Scott travelled to Ireland to spend a week with Wickham and ended up staying for six years. During that time he developed a deep interest in roots and folk music, resulting in The Waterboys best-selling album, Fisherman s Blues. After scaling the heights of success and moving the band to New York, he followed another fascination and went to live in the Findhorn spiritual community in Northern Scotland. Adventures Of A Waterboy is an evocative memoir by one of the great British songwriters of the past four decades. It is an honest and revealing work, by turns heartfelt and funny, that tells the story of a cocky Scot with a sound in his head and his lifelong efforts to reproduce that sound a story that runs from teenage fandom to international stardom, from Scotland to New York City and beyond. This remastered edition adds ten `extra scenes written and handpicked by Scott, plus a selection of rare images not included in the original book."


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Posted by:

John D

Thank you Pat.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Any Night of the Week : A D.I.Y. History of Toronto Music, 1957-2001

4.5 (4 ratings by Goodreads)
Paperback English
By (author) Jonny Dovercourt
The story of how Toronto became a music mecca.

"From Yonge Street to Yorkville to Queen West to College, the neighbourhoods that housed Toronto's music scenes. Featuring Syrinx, Rough Trade, Martha and the Muffins, Fifth Column, Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Rheostatics, Ghetto Concept, LAL, Broken Social Scene, and more!"....??? The Hawks

I second that emotion BILL M...Thank you to the perfect stranger from Illinois...PAT B. :-D


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Bill M

Thank-you Pat. Kind of you.


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Pat B

Happy Canada Day to all you fabulous Canadians.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Rod, I would love to hear your opinion. I haven't ordered a copy myself yet but I was tempted. I also thought RR's playing on that Neil Young song sounded like Dirge. I loved Dirge and wish Robbie had done more in that style.


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Rod

OWBs has finally arrived in the mail!


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John D

Subject: Carmine Street Guitars

I've watched Carmine Street Guitars at least three times. Great to see The Sadies come in to buy.


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Bill M

Alex: Always good to hear from you, and that your health is steady. Happy Canada Day. We put our little flag out 10 minutes ago. Bound to scare away the hummingbirds, unfortunately.

NwC: "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" would've suited our guys perfectly, but perhaps Dylan would have risen to the occasion. "Believe" would be a better choice for him, though.


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Lisa

I just noticed, that doc is Canadian-made, kind of interesting! And Happy Canada Day to everybody! I'm actually sitting here in a sweater, it's kind of wet and chilly today where I am.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LISA...Thank you again. Rick Kelly and his hand made guitars...Yes! Yes! Yes!

"In a segment of Balvenie's acclaimed film, The Intelligent Hand, we visit the legend Rick Kelly, a luthier based in Manhattan who makes handmade electric guitars from reclaimed wood that originated in some of New York's most famous buildings. Among Rick's customers are Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, Lenny K and Jim Jarmusch."


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brown eyed girl

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Thank you for sharing Lisa! Carmine Street Guitars Trailer...

"Once the centre of the New York bohemia, Greenwich Village is now home to lux restaurants, and buzzer door clothing stores catering to the nouveau riche. But one shop in the heart of the Village remains resilient to the encroaching gentrification: Carmine Street Guitars.

There, custom guitar maker Rick Kelly and his young apprentice Cindy Hulej, build handcrafted guitars out of reclaimed wood from old hotels, bars, churches and other local buildings. Nothing looks or sounds quite like a Rick Kelly guitar, which is the reason they are embraced by the likes of Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, Patti Smith, Jim Jarmusch, just to name a few.

Featuring a cast of prominent musicians and artists, the film captures five days in the life of Carmine Street Guitars, while examining an all-too-quickly vanishing way of life."

Silence Is Not An Option...Garland Jeffreys already told us so via ANY RAIN. Just sayin'. :-D


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Lisa

I was wondering if anybody here has seen a documentary called Carmine Street Guitars? It's about this guy Rick Kelly and his assistant/artist Cindy Hulej and the guitars they make from old (200+ years) wood reclaimed from demolished buildings in NYC. His shop is quite a sight, and (obviously at least partly scripted) all these musicians drop in at his shop in Greenwich Village and try out his guitars. He claims that the age of the wood has resulted in all the resins in the woods crystallizing, giving his guitars a special resonance - and they do sound gorgeous to my ears. The only people I was at all familiar with were Bill Frisell and Jim Jarmusch, but you all would probably recognize more of them. Anyway, it's definitely worth seeing if you get a chance.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Covers

Some smartass posted in Toppermost: "I can imagine only one thing which could be better than Cher singing Dylan. It is Dylan singing Cher."


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Posted by:

Peter V

OK, sitting in my office. I have a Sony turntable going through the computer and on to Bowers & Wilkins speakers. It's not a turntable I'd entrust my most valued LPs to, but it's OK. I was on my next Cliff Richard film review and the "Wonderful Life" LP kept sticking and slipping. Hmm, I thought. Better check it's not the deck. I picked up the nearest LP, which was Captain Beefheart.

I needed to check if the deck is OK, or slowing down.

With Captain Beefheart?

Ah. Good point. The Captain went back in the sleeve. The next LP in line was Poco "Cantamos" and that played perfectly. Relief.


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Dag B.

Subject: Rick the Prick

"Blame it on that blurry evening at the Chateau Marmont, where Young had played Homegrown back to back with TOnight's the Night for a bunch of stoned musicians including Rick Danko. "At which point Rick the Prick said, 'Go with the raw one,' said (Elliot) Mazer, who was devastated when Young decided to jettison Homegrown in favor of Tonight's the Night."

Shakey: Neil Young's Biography By Jimmy McDonough


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Jed

Subject: RR guitar chops-Rod

Gotta agree with Rod. RR was one of the greatest,most unique guitar players.His tone was unique and listening to his playing has always been a lot of fun. But he no longer has the same abilities. Whether on The Weight as played recently,his playing at EC’s crossroads concert a few years ago,etc. his playing has deteriorated. Listen to Planet Waves to hear some of his finest and most original style of guitar playing. Or 1966 or 1974 to hear the raucousness and how he adapts his style to the particular song and every musical situation.


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Alex

Location: Pointe-Claire

BEG, thanks for the shout out and for posting the interview. I had always thought that he would've been living in the Plateau area of Montreal. Turns out that they lived in two of the neighbourhoods I did and the third was where I went to school for a bit. Wishing everyone a happy Canada Day. Hoping that everyone is safe and doing well. I still look at the site. Listening to music mainly when I walk the dog or mow the lawns. Embracing retirement and my health is fine after some major issues.


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brown eyed girl

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HEALTHY HAPPY CANADA DAY!

When I was a growing boy
A-rocking on my daddy's knee
Daddy took an old guitar and sang
Bury me on the lone prairie
Uncle Bob sat at the piano
My girl cousins sang harmony
Those were the good old family times
That left a big mark on me

Bury me out on the prairie
Where the buffalo used to roam
Where the Canada geese once filled the sky
And then I won't be far from home
Bury me out on the prairie
Where the buffalo used to roam
You won't have to shed a tear for me
'Cause then I won't be far from home

Walking down the trans-Canada highway
I was talking to a firefly
Trying to make my way to Nashville, Tennessee
When another car passed me by

Neil Young...Far From Home


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Rod

I suspect Robbie's guitar chops ain't what they used to be - but it would have been nice to hear him play with Bob once again.

White Line - his playing sounds a bit like Dirge from Planet Waves.


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Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Robbie, oh no! That's a bummer.


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brown eyed girl

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For Bill M...The Ardells...
Check out Gallery and Most Valuable Canadian Music.


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brown eyed girl

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Robbie Robertson Explains Why He Turned Down Playing on Bob Dylan’s New Album

‘I would’ve loved for us to work together on that,” says Robertson
BRIAN HIATT
June 30, 2020


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Dave H

Besides Levon and Robbie playing on it, another Band connection to Neil Young's just-released Homegrown is that it was apparently Rick Danko who convinced NY not to release the album in 1975 and to release Tonight's the Night instead.


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Kevin J

BEG.....Really appreciate you posting that interview Robbie did with the great Mitch Melnick. Canada’s finest radio broadcaster in the area of sports for 30 plus years but also a guy with impeccable music tastes.

Anyhow, that interview - first 5 minutes he sorts out the puzzle Pat B was wondering about yesterday as to the timing of his stay in Montreal. I hadn’t realized that two of his daughters had been born in Montreal and that he had lived in 3 different neighbourhoods ! Also, he gives the impression of having places ( perhaps keeping apartments ) there but maybe also having a house in the US at the same time as keeping the Montreal residences. One of the best interviews he gave as part of the Testimony tour.


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brown eyed girl

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All Montreal music news for KEVIN J....and LANDMARK.

MONTREAL 690 RADIO
MELNICK IN THE AFTERNOON
Nov. 18, 2016
Robbie Robertson- Loved my time in Montreal
Mitch Melnick talks life and music with the Legendary Robbie Robertson


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brown eyed girl

MONTREAL 690
RADIO
MELNICK IN THE AFTERNOON

Nov. 18, 2016
Robbie Robertson- Loved my time in Montreal
Mitch Melnick talks life and music with the Legendary Robbie Robertson


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brown eyed girl

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The Montreal music scene salutes The Band
PAUL SPENCE

On the legacy of the Canadian group that mastered Americana (I thought Robbie called their music North Americana at one time?) ahead of the 40th anniversary of their legendary show, The Last Waltz.


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brown eyed girl

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Bob Dylan - If Not for You (Alternate Take - Audio)
Jun 25, 2020


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brown eyed girl

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....and for your second GARLAND JEFFREYS recording....ESCAPE ARTIST.

She caught my eye
When she came into view
I met her on some New York avenue
I liked her smile
Her style and her grace
Her sexy walk could light up any place
She said to me
I just came in from Paris
I said to her
I'd like to get to know you
She said to me
I'm shy and a bit embarrassed
I said to her
There are some things I'd like to show you
Christine, Christine

I soon found out
It was more than fascination
I soon found out
It was much more than just a cheap imitation
I held her hand
Slowly we got closer
Felt like a man
And not some kind of poseur
Yes it's true she just came in from Paris
Her French perfume I got to know it better
We talked of love and poetry and marriage
Then I discovered that mysterious love letter
Christine, Christine
She caught my eye
When…

GARLAND JEFFREYS...CHRISTINE

Take the best from all cultures.

Take the best from all genres of music.

As long as you're alive and they're alive there's hope.
brown eyed angelina


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bill Evans

“I never heard him make a harmonic mistake,” one of Evans’ friends, pianist Warren Bernhardt, tells director Bruce Spiegel. “Never. Not one wrong note.”

Yesterday’s article by Juan Rodriguez and the note on Bill Evans that Pat B referenced has had me reading and listening for hours on end about the late great musician. I am going to see if I can order the documentary on his life “Time Remembered”

Robbie & Neil Young: I also enjoyed the guitar very much - more so than the song. When you think about RR’s contributions over the years to various soundtracks like King of Comedy, Jimmy Hollywood, etc. You do find yourself wishing he would have made himself more available to work with/guest on more outside projects.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Peter V, through a digital mixup, I listened to White Line with only the vocals and RR's track. It was really interesting to hear RR do his solo/accompany thing through the whole song, but it seemed terribly unfinished. When I figured out my mistake and listened to the entire instrument mix, it sounded fantastic. RR does some guitar stuff I've never heard him do.

Dag B posted a review of The Band's infamous Hollywood Bowl show where Levon claimed he was dosed but RR claims otherwise. The first Band boot I ever heard. The review is startling in that they had released their first two albums and only managed to fill half the Bowl--with Miles Davis opening. I guess LA isn't a college town.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: It's the cost of travel insurance that now keeps our 71-year-old Canadian friend in Hove from visiting the homeland, so I can see it stopping the Shadows from visiting Australia. But the UK (assuming that's where they still live)?


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Peter V

Subject: Homegrown

No one seemed interested in the emergence of the Neil Young / Robbie duet. They must have slipped out to the studio to cut it. I have the actual CD in my hand now. Emmylou Harris also appears on some tracks – including Try with Levon. Stan Szelest is on two tracks too. Highly recommended album.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Dylan

Today Bob Dylan becomes the oldest musical artist to have a #1 Album in the U.K. Bob is 79. Previously it was Paul Simon at 74. Congrats Bobby.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I must listen to Garland Jeffrey's today.

An aside in the latest Uncut magazine interview with Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows. He was asked about touring again and said the insurance would be prohibitive at their ages - that would be cancellation insurance. The Shadows haven't toured since 2010, but in the UK and Australia would instantly sell out large halls. I'd never thought about it, but it must be a major factor for older stars.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Spanish Town

Perfect way to end the day, BEG. Brilliant song. Funny to see the comments section to the video - usually the spawn of the devil on any Link - but in this case, nicely felt and not surprising to see the references to CHOM-FM. Garland Jeffreys was massive in Montreal and it is why he chose to perform his farewell concert there.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dedicated to all the film lovers out there....35 Millimeter Dreams · GARLAND JEFFREYS...GHOST WRITER

Good Night Pat B, Kevin J, Jon L......Sinus almost gone, gone, gone....Thank you!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Always, BEG ! And, thank you for the Juan R links.

“I May Not Be Your Kind", “New York Skyline”, “35 Millimetre Dreams”, “Cool Down Boy” and the song that started it all for me.........”Wild In The Streets”.

The memories of sitting outside on a hot summer night listening to this album are really special to me.....and it sounds as good today.

......and if anyone is ever looking for a song to give you back some hope and happiness - do download and play - really loud- a GJ song from 25 years later called “I’m Alive” . It saved Chris Nilan’s life - it should make you feel pretty good as well !


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and it was Louuu who first exposed me to GARLAND JEFFREYS! I was listening to CFNY FM and the radio DJ was going to play Wild In The Streets by GARLAND. He said that Louuu was a big fan of his.....and that's all it took for me to check out his music.

GARLAND JEFFREYS...SPANISH TOWN...GHOST WRITER


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Why-O GARLAND JEFFREYS...GHOST WRITER


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Jon. I think Ghost Writer is the most consistent of his work showcasing all of his talents. I see that KEVIN J is on my wavelength again. ;-D

"New York Skyline" says it all. My city - the city I love. I don't know who loves it more - me or Lou Reed, but it's a hell of a town. It's taught me everything I know and perhaps, everything I need to know. Of all the songs I've written, this is one of my favorites and the album that it comes from, Ghostwriter, will always be uniquely special to me. The song sure does bring back memories. Thanks DW for the video. ----Garland


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Posted by:

Kevin J

IMHO, Garland Jeffreys album “Ghost Writer” is a masterpiece. I love it as much today as when it was released in 1977........a great place to start, Jon.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

BEG, I always like the Garland Jeffreys songs you post. What's the best GJ album to get started with?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Uhhhh.....Robbie says one more! brown eyed angelina says....many more!

Live performance at the Country Club in Reseda, California, 1981. Garland Jeffreys - Vocals, Brinsley Schwarz - Lead Guitar, Carter Cathcart - Guitar & Keyboards, Steve Goulding - Drums, Brian Stanley - Bass Guitar.

------------------------------------------------ From the album "Ghost Writer" (A & M Records, 1977), reissued on the album "I'm Alive" (Universal International, 2006)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and one more from GARLAND JEFFREYS!

The BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION wouldn't be complete if you didn't hear GARLAND sing The Contortionist with background vocals from LOUUU REED and his daughter SAVANNAH JEFFREYS!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Another one from THE GARLAND JEFFREYS!!!!!... :-D

James Maddock on guitar.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pat B...Wow you are right! I just checked his twitter account after I emailed his significant other. Thank you Pat! He's the most generous musician with his fans in so many ways. Garland oozes with talent and compassion for all people of the world! One Love!

HAPPY HEALTHY IRIE BIRTHDAY TO THE ONE AND ONLY GARLAND JEFFREYS!!

"Surrender was released on Epic records in 1982, as part of the GUTS FOR LOVE album. The version you're listening to was recorded in my studio apartment for French TV. I liked the makeshift way of recording while the cars were passing by the open window." --- Garland


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Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, weird in that any number of luminaries have posted birthday greetings to GJ today, and no greater a source than Wikipedia agrees.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pat B...I wore a mask while outside and inside some stores in my hood and still....The UV rays must be really strong as my face is still burning and that sinus is back.....Louuuuise Hay tells us that sinus problems come about when you're very irritated by someone close to you....Yes! A certain someone was not pulling my leg about the Clown and he better go back to not discussing politics or.......White older men wake up!! No wink I mean it........

Garland Jeffreys's Birthday is July 3. I did celebrate his 60th with Crab and two new friends that night from New Jersey. I think your birthday is right after Garth's? And I think Peter and Tenn's birthdays are right close to Robbie's birthday?

Someone mentioned BA the other day?

THE SONG ANALYST: “Broken Arrow”

Michael Shorr
November 1, 2007

"Today we’re going to talk about “melodic rhythm”; it’s used in Robbie Robertson’s song “Broken Arrow.”


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Posted by:

Lisa

That Last Waltz story is hilarious, straight out of Annie Hall.


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Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, a sad note above the RR snippet about one of my faves, Bill Evans. I know things are weird when you don't reference Garland Jeffries' birthday.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J and Pat B

Juan Rodriguez's Rock 'n' Roll Life — Week 5: A close call when pigs fly\ Publishing date:Feb 15, 2013 • Last Updated 7 years ago • 10 minute read

Robbie Robertson put Rodriguez on his dance card at The Last Waltz.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thank you Kevin J....and Pat B

Juan Rodriguez Rock Journalist Legend and Pop See Cul zine

09.02.2017
Five Pages


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Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, that snippet triggered something. First off, I think the writer's timing is a bit off. RR moved to Malibu in 1973 sometime after Watkins Glen. Now, as much as it might upset some folks, it seems kinda clear that in 1974 RR is trying to figure out ways to keep The Band somewhat relevant. Recall that they tried to come back with Works which failed completely. So they do Moondog, an obvious nod to the past. Eventually they would do the Dylan tour which was a greatest hits sort of thing. Planet Waves had its moments but they didn't do many songs from it. After that, the Basement Tapes, another nostalgia stab but incredibly worthy. The snippet you posted (the timeline is close enough) is another effort by RR to capitalize on their past with little view to the future. Seems to me RR already recognizes the writing on the wall, so when NLSC doesn't sell and the 76 tour isn't doing great business and the highest profile gigs are opening for bigger acts (ZZ Top??), saying goodbye makes eminent sense.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Lost Movie on The Band

Below is part of an article that was actually a series of articles that Juan Rodrigues – a legendary rock critic from Montreal ( one of Canada’s first full-time rock critics, actually ) – wrote when he retired a few years back. Made up mostly of anecdotes from his years chronicling the music scene in Montreal – this bit about RR is interesting in that it involves him wanting a piece written that would help with getting a government grant to finance a movie about The Band. Although, the application for a grant was rejected – Juan Rodrigues was invited a few years later to The Last Waltz by Robbie as a gesture of his appreciation.

”In 1974 I picked up the phone and Robbie Robertson was on the other end. He wanted to do an interview to generate publicity for a documentary on the Band’s Ontario roots; he was looking for government funding. Living with his wife, Dominique, in the Côte-des-Neiges area of Montreal (where I grew up), he met me on a snowy afternoon at a bistro where I used to meet my very first girlfriend.

Robertson is a very deliberate talker, measuring every word for just the right meaning and nuance. He speaks to you as if you were his confidant. The interview went like a charm, but he had one condition: He wanted to read his quotes before publication, “just in case I’ve left anything out.” This countered all rules of professional journalism, which prevent the reporter from being manipulated as a mouthpiece for the interviewee. But I happily accepted his condition (I was on this musician’s side) — the first time I allowed a subject pre-approval. (As for my own words, not a chance!)

When my transcribing was finished, Robertson invited me to his apartment so he could check it out. The one-way conversation went like this: “Well, maybe I meant something like this. ... You don’t mind if I change this quote? ... We should elaborate on this,” and so on. The process was a fascinating glimpse into the mind of Robertson: a benign control freak. The published piece was titled Thinking Out Loud, from a Band song title.”


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: White Line (duet version)

And here it is.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Homegrown

Just ordered Neil Young's 1975 Homegrown from amazon.co.uk and got the download while you wait for the post. Just listening. I hadn't realized that "White Lines" is the original duet version with Robbie Robertson which was recorded before the Wembley 1974 Concert. Lovely Robbie intricate guitar around it.

Levon Helm drums on Separate ways and Try too.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Best Cover

These kids at "School of Rock" in Chicago really kick ass. Pat Brennan must have taught them. The little girl on bass is spot on with great bass lines aan she really gets in to it.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: No-no-no best Louie Louie

Mark Linsey sings this best and I like the sax over the organ.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Kingsmen's Louie Louie was in itself a cover. The best version. Good Lovin' is about right.


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Peter B

The Kingsmen's Louie Louie was in itself a cover. The best version. Good Lovin' is about right.


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Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: "Rip It Up" NZ music magazine

Wallsend, I came across this, digital issues from 1977 to 1985.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: You are a brave man to persist in making such ringing assertions. The last one of yours - about Dubya being the worst US president of "all time" - was out the window in less than a decade. Bigly sad, that. But for now, I'm with you re "Good Lovin'".


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Peter V

Greatest covers album? Hymns of the 49th Parallel by k.d. lang. Except she didn't do any Band songs and should have.

Celtic Bhouys original request was covers of The Band, Van M, Dylan, N. Young and Springsteen, I think. So …

Neil Young … Helpless … k.d. lang


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Posted by:

Wallsend

When I was a child our relatives back in England would buy subscriptions for us to British magazines which would be sent to New Zealand. It was probably an easy way of giving a gift and a good way to keep in contact. I remember my older sister used to get a magazine called 'Rave' which had lots of news about pop music in it. Lots of stuff about Cliff Richard, Helen Shapiro etc. I remember there being articles about Jimi Hendrix in it so she must have still been receiving it 1967 or so. I just googled it and some of the cover photos brought back a few memories.


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Peter V

Three albums at Christmas 1962. Rock ‘n’ Roll number 2 by Elvis, Picture of You by Joe Brown and All The Hits By All The Stars, a Cameo-Parkway budget compilation - the Orlons, the Dovells, Dee Dee Sharp, Chubby Checker. A really good album if you skipped the Bobby Rydell tracks.


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Posted by:

Pat B

C'mon. The greatest cover of all time. The Olympics--"Good Lovin'"--The Young Rascals.

First album I bought was "The Kingsmen Live featuring Louie Louie"


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Bill M

Another brilliant cover: "Like A Rolling Stone" by Rotary Connection.

The first LP I owned was "Christmas Time in Canada" by veteran C&W singer Wilf Carter, aka Montana Slim, though he was from Nova Scotia. (How's this for embarrassing, Lisa: my favourite song on the album was "Punkinhead".) The first LP I bought would have been a delete by some local group. The first LP I paid full list price for was "The Best of Ronnie Hawkins" - still in print in 1972. Paid for out of my first paycheque - from my dishwashing job at a local restaurant. I know I was paid $1.35 per hour, meaning I worked four effing hours for that slice of vinyl by Ronnie and our guys. There is no way I'd spend four hours' pay on a record here in 2020.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: Lisa's soundtrack

Oh and yes there was an early soundtrack, seems like in the 1st year or 2. "Paint your Wagon", Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood in a musical. !!! Who thought that was a swell idea?


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: CB:1st LPs

Yeah, Lisa don't worry about embarrassment at the stage we're at. As best as I can recall there was some flower power album that had a song or was titled as I recall as "Here Comes the Sun". Maybe it was just "Here's the Sun", I don't know. And not sure of the group, definitely not The Beatles. Seemed like one of those total LA types like Strawberry Alarmclock, that sort of thing. Definitely a hippie-dippy kind of sound. I know in the interim, we moved from LA suburbs to rural Illinois and I had to order it at the bookstore of the high school my freshman year.

But I do remember clearly the next 4 I bought, although not which order: Green River by CCR, the brown album, CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) and Steppenwolf the 2nd.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

I am not sure when Summer Holiday was first shown in New Zealand - every thing used to turn up years later back then - but I remember being very excited to see it. I think that was probably the first time music made a real impression on me. Then there was A Hard Days Night and Help and later Easy Rider. Amazing how quickly things changed.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Riff with Cliff

Great review Peter. We were probably in the same cinema for both The Young Ones and Summer Holiday. (And then Blue Hawaii).

I went to one of the Cliff and Shads final shows in 2009. We went because it was guaranteed that they'd perform nothing recorded after 1963. Glorious. After 1963 - well, another story. The Young Ones was a better film than Summer Holiday, though I'd never clocked that Peter Yates directed SH - his first ever full director job.


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Dunc

Location: Scotland

Really enjoyed reading the review of Summer Holiday. I loved the film and saw it twice, the first time queueing for ages to see it at the cinema in the centre of the town, then six months later at the cinema in the local area. I thought it was great how the workers would work for no pay to convert the bus. Aye, right...as we say in Scotland.

Bachelor Boy, Summer Holiday and Foot Tapper are all brilliant songs.

You’re right, Peter. You can’t like pop if you don’t like Cliff.

I thought the staged raid on his house and subsequent events were an absolute disgrace. Really disgraceful.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cliff Richard Toppermost

My Toppermost on Cliff linked. It ends:

Last word to Tony Parsons in The Independent:

If you don’t like at least some Cliff Richard, you don’t like pop music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Cliff did better in Canada than the USA. I used to send new Cliff 45s and EPs to my cousin in Scarborough, Ontario, and in return she used to send me Canadian records - I still have a few. One was Hung On You by The Righteous Brothers. She had been over to the UK in 1962 and got to like Cliff. It is astonishing that Cliff was huge all over Europe plus Australia and South Africa but couldn't break the USA. But look what they did with The Beatles for a year. They also messed up the US versions of the hit films.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Feud

Haven’t heard about the feud for at least a few hours now. Isn’t time for a refresher? Ok.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V

You know Peter here is something you already know. Back in 1990 I interviewed Cliff here in Toronto. I had always heard he didn't believe Capitol EMI did not do much for him in North America; especially the U.S. He went into great detail that it was indeed fact as far as he was concerned. He said he could sell more records in Luxembourg. I believe it hurt him that his North American label didn't do much to push him. However like The Beatles Canada were first with Living Doll and I believe worked harder for Sir Cliff.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Summer Holiday

The 60s Retrospective series stays with pop exploitation for the other huge non-Beatles one, Cliff Richard and The Shadows in SUMMER HOLIDAY (1963). Linked. Like The Young Ones it didn’t make a mark in the USA but dominated the coldest British winter on record in 1963. The burst of colour and sunshine throughout was a tonic. A significant snippet – the LP topped the British charts for fourteen weeks. It was replaced by Please Please Me. That marks a watershed point in British popular culture. So a look at pre-watershed pop.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

There is a really interesting new interview with Robbie in Rolling Stone.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Haha, I'll take any link I can get.

Here's an Elvis story for you: I was never much of an Elvis fan, but when Blue Hawaii came to Vancouver I joined a line which stretched all around the block of the Orpheum Theatre (back when it was a movie theater, and it had a huge screen). By the time I got in the only seat I could get was third row from the front, almost at the wall. I saw the whole movie at an extreme slant, which I think influenced my opinion of Elvis from then on. Actually, I appreciate him a lot more now than I did then.

In August, 1977 I was feeding my second baby when my husband came home and said, "Poor old Elvis." I said, "What do you mean, poor old Elvis?" He looked at me and said, "He died!" I almost dropped the baby, I was shocked to my very core, Elvis couldn't die!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: covers

JQ: Yes, forever.

"A Love Supreme" - John Coltrane -- McLaughlin & Santana

"Seeing" - Moby Grape -- Robert Plant

"Yazoo Street Scandal" - The Band -- The Road Hammers*

"Out Of The Blue" - The Band -- Mary Margaret O'Hara*

* with Garth Hudson


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Lisa, that isn't too embarrassing. I thought it was going to be something really bad like the soundtrack to one of Elvis's lesser known movies. I looked it up and I see that Sammy Davis Jnr was in it. Given that Band connection, that probably puts you at the vanguard in term of musical taste.


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Posted by:

Lisa

You might have a hard time tracking it down. TCM shows it once in a blue moon, but it was one of those overblown, crazy movies that were very much a part of their time (1959-60ish) - the end of an era, really, and I'm pretty sure it was a flop. But pre-teen me loved it, even though parts of it make me cringe now. And the horse is a beauty (horses, the first love of my life) and a very good actor, too :-D


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brown eyed girl

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Lisa! I love The Far Away Part of Town sung by Judy Garland!!! I really want to see film Pepe now. No one comes close to Judy for her singing and acting and her.....She's just so precious....and her films with Mickey Rooney I absolutely love as well, especially when Mickey shows us how special I mean really special he was as he was a quadruple threat....He could act, sing, dance, play instruments like the drums, piano and trumpet....and he married for one year his first partner....Ava Gardner....Take that Frank Sinatra!!!!


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Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

For you, beg. Music by Andre Previn, lyrics by his then-wife Dory.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Awww Kevin....Don't remind me that when you were in grade 3 I was in grade 9. First day of High School someone thoghAnd yes...The night before the first day of school was always a sleepless one as whoever walked through that door was either going to make my day or not. ;-D

Lisa...Any song with Judy Garland is fine by me!

Parents of very young children or grandparents....You know that I love grandparents. Btw I did meet my maternal grandparents when I was a teenager in Europe and then when I was 19 instead of going to school I left for Hempstead, England to be an Au Pair as I was so mesmerized with British musicians at the time. Unfortunately when I saw my bedroom.....I said noooooo, I just left a room like that and left the very next day. The family owned a clothing factory and had this huge house and that's all they have to offer....Bye bye!

Re Pandemic...We have to wash our hands for 20 seconds. Or at least 15 seconds. If thy don't want to count all the time just suggest they sing the Birthday Song and they're good to go!


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Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Subject: (blush)

The first record I ever bought was the sound track to a movie called Pepe. The movie itself almost defies description, other than to say it was full of movie star cameos, songs sung by Maurice Chevalier, Judy Garland, Bobby Darin, etc., featuring the music of Andre Previn and a West Side Story-esque dance sequence, a beautiful horse - also, unfortunately, the character the star of the movie, Cantinflas, was reduced to a dreadful Mexican stereotype. That went totally over my pre-teen head though, and to me it was the epitome of sophistication and glamour.

And Kevin, here's another kind of September song, from that movie. I love this song, all the more now that it's so much more relevant and poignant to me today.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Covers

Richard Thompson - Tear-Stained Letter - Jo El Sonnier

Townes Van Zandt - Loretta - John Prine

Johnny Cash - Train of Love - Jimmie Dale Gilmore

Hank Williams - Lost Highway - Kurt Nilson

James Carr - Pouring Water on a Drowning Man - Elvis Costello (acoustic)

Percy Sledge - When a Man Lives a Woman - Karen Dalton

New Order - Love Vigilantes - The Oyster Band

I think this could go on forever -


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Posted by:

Kevin J

“It’s late September and I really should be back at school”

BEG....I was still in Elementary school when Maggie May was first out but I discovered him by hearing that voice on FM radio a few years later and purchased the album.

Weird but something about a September approaching still gets me. I remember my Dad saying that that “Sunday evening/thinking about Monday” feeling never quite left him even years after his retirement.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I was longing to be wooed
I was ready to be humbled
By the words that you had written
By the syllables you mumbled
Yeah, I was ready in my heart
To have my heart invaded
By the fervour of your passion
Yes, I came to be persuaded

But when I heard your ragged voice
Something switched in my perception
And I knew I was the victim
Of a beautiful deception
All my once exact beliefs
Like tangled threads unravelled
I walked out, stunned and liberated
And so began my travels

Keep the river on your right
And the highway at your shoulder
And the front line in your sights, pioneer
Keep your eye on the road
Remember what you told her
This is all in code, my dear


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

I was trying to keep to an Alex Harvey theme...and I thought Lulu would be too easy, Peter.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"He received the moniker 'Crown Prince of Reggae' from none other than the king himself, Bob Marley, who declared Brown his favourite singer and successor. Brown is believed to have fathered 12 children, five of them with his estranged wife Yvonne."

Probably Dennis Brown's most well known song....Have You Ever Been In Love

The last time I was in NYC with the South American he saw Dennis Brown in NYC via of new Rasta friends he met in NYC. They owned a health store at 5th/125th street. ;-D I have no idea how I didn't attend show with them but another night we checked out a Speak Easy in the same hood. Uhhh....I took one sip of something.....lol.....I thought I was going to lose my balance.....I thought Rastas only smoked. Ha, ha, ha.....Dennis Brown unfortunately had a huge coke problem and passed at 42.

Happy Healthy Pride. I've been wearing my Pride wristband all week. Due to the Pandemic my Co-Op will not be having our annual Pride party in our courtyard so....Tomorrow everyone who signed up will be receiving a kabob and salad outside their unit door. Virgil eats pork so he's fine but since I don't....My kabob will be vegetarian....Unless....They can barbecue chicken or turkey. It's all good! :-D

Kevin...I was in high school when Maggie May came out as well....Just sayin'. My brother had his poster up on the wall along with many British musicians along with one female artist...Rita Coolidge....and....poster of many kinds of hashish. I had no interest at that time. Funny story maybe three decades ago....OUCH!....One day friend who I visited in South Africa...who lives in Toronto, my Scottish housemate who was introduced to me by this friend at a party and her special friend at the time were just walking to Riverdale Park via Cabbagetown and he noticed this huge chunk of something...I looked and yup! It was a huge chunk of hash! lol.....Well, once I told him, he quickly picked it up and later gave us all a chunk to take home. I guess a pusher/dealer made a drop alright. ;-D


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brown eyed girl

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You know I'm not one to break promises
I don't want to hurt you but I need to breathe
At the end of it all you're still my best friend
But there's something inside that I need to release
Which way is right?
Which way is wrong?
How do I say that I need to move on?

You know we're heading separate ways
And it feels like I am just too close to love you
There's nothing I can really say
I can lie no more
I can hide no more
Got to be true to myself
And it feels like I am just too close to love you
So I'll be on my way


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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Thank you Celtic Bhoy... :-D

Thought provoking quote b.lee...Martin Mull first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.".....Alright! :-D

Louuu Reed...Sweet Jane...Cowboy Junkies
Bob Dylan...All Along The Watchtower...Jimi Hendrix
Etta James...I'd Rather Go Blind...Rod the Mod
The Temptations...My Girl...Prince of Reggae...Dennis Brown
Elvis Presley...Little Sister...Ry Cooder
Jacie DeShannon...Put A Little Love In Your Heart...Al Green and Annie Lennox
Alex Claire...Too Close...Melanie Martinez
Bob Marley and The Wailers...Turn Your Lights Down...Lauryn Hill
The Isley Brothers...This Old Heart Of Mine (Is Weak For You)...Rod the Mod
Bob Dylan...Girl Of The North Country...The Waterboyzzz
Sam Cooke...Cupid...Amy Winehouse
Richard Thompson...Keep Your Distance...Buddy and Julie Miller


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Lisa, nothing to be embarrassed about. The important thing is not where you start but where you end up.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc … SHOUT … and Lulu?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Covera

Celtic Bhoy:

Tupelo Honey – Van Morrison & Dusty Springfield

A Change Is Gonna Come- Sam Cooke & The Band

Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here With You – Bob Dylan & Cher

The Stones I Throw – Levon & The Hawks and Amy Helm

Broken Arrow – Robbie Robertson & Rod Stewart

If You Gotta Go / Si tu dois partir- Bob Dylan and Manfred Mann and Fairport Convention

Blinded by The Light- Bruce Springsteen and Manfred Mann Chapter Three

After The Goldrush – Neil Young & Prelude

Powderfinger – Neil Young and Cowboy Junkies


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Great to hear from you Celtic Bhoy. Here’s three covers with a Scottish twist. All related to the great Alex Harvey.

Shout - Isley Brothers and Alex Harvey Soul Band. Make sure you check this out on You Tube, CB. The Soul Band recordings are available on YouTube. Check them out.

Delilah - Tom Jones and Sensational Alex Harvey Band.

Crazy Horses - The Osmonds and Sensational Alex Harvey Band. He got pelters for covering this.

I miss going out into Dundee, Glasgow or Paisley to spend the entire day record collecting. Thanks CB.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Records

You guys are a bunch of punk kids.....now you know I'm joking. My first records were still the 78's brittle and too breakable. Buddy Holly "Oh Boy". Everly Brothers, Elvis.

One night my older brothers (17 and 18) were having a party. Some one left a stack of my records on the couch 5 or 6 and some one else sat on them and broke every gawd damn one in half. They learned how precious my records were. Mom made them replace them all. When I was 12 I had a paper route, I mowed lawns and I cut fire wood. A good portion of my income was for buying records and my little record player I won in a raffle. That's back in the days when I really used to look after my stuff. I had quite a collection of those 78's. When 45's came a long I had quite a stack of them. Just a few years ago I gave them all to a good friend. He bought himself an old Wurlitzer juke box real cool.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

LP’s.....I loved the 4 songs per side.....get off your bed/ walk over to the turntable - and flip it over for 4 more if you were feeling it. What killed Rock n Roll (even more than U2 ) was the CD and having 20 bloody songs on a release. Producers started loading all the good songs up front and the magic of the listening experience was lost. Paul Simon nailed this in an interview years ago when he said that listening to any CD was worse than sitting through a lecture at university - noting that he couldn’t even take listening to himself for more than 40 minutes.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

With regard to Testimony, I would love to see all the material that was edited out to make it shorter.

The sound quality on LPs always used to irritate me so in that regard I was happy to switch over to cds but as a buying experience LPs were great. I remember especially buying the Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge. I liked the covers just as much as the music. Same with Hendrix in the West. Because everything is so easily available now nothing is special but back then when you got a new album it was a real cultural experience. Also they were comparatively expensive so you really had to choose carefully. (jeez, old people are boring going on about how things were back in the day).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jon L & Celtic Bhoy

What really stands out about that passage from Testimony that Jon quoted - and there are hundreds more like it from the book - is that it was written by Robbie himself, not some flowered-up interpretation of a thought told to a ghostwriter or an “as told to biographer.......and as anyone knows who has taken the time to write anything important ( a eulogy, a letter to a lover, etc,), it takes time and much care and effort to get things just right. Take a minute to think about the character of someone to find that kind of time and extend that kind of dignity to an old friend that spent so many years of his life spreading such ill will toward you.

Celtic Bhoy: your description of purchasing and then unwrapping of albums was one of the great pleasures/memories of my teenage life. 1974 I think, “Every Picture Tells a Story” by Rod Stewart. Bob Dylan’s Greatest Hits with that wicked multi-colour hair poster was number 2. The first 100 - 200 purchases I can almost remember every detail. As to CD purchases, I remember almost nothing special except immediate cursing of those flimsy always breakable plastic cases. The rare time ya got a full cardboard one was usually a cheaper purchase and they were so much better !


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Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: First album?

Too embarrassed to say.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Thanks, CB. I've started reading Testimony for the first time, and that very joyful quote leaped out at me right away. I love it. I'm also struck how the same quote could have described Levon and his performances a full 50+ years later. Even through cancer and hardship, he stayed true to himself right to the end.


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Posted by:

Celtic bhoy

Location: Scotland

Subject: Where are my pals?

P.s. this time difference is a bugger!!!


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Celtic Bhoy

Location: Scotland

Subject: Record stores

Interesting to hear you guys wax lyrical about the super cool record shops from your youth.

I’m sure Dunc will back me up here, back in the day in the UK we had to make do with Virgin and HMV supplemented with Listen and Lost Chord. I lost months of my life doing what my dad had done for years before me in flicking through vinyl for most of a Saturday afternoon, avoiding the punks and having the odd go on the space invaders machine.

Can you remember the complete joy of getting on a bus home and pulling out an L.P. from your plastic bag and studying the sleeve notes all the way home until you could get it on the turntable? Ecstasy.... as a good friend of mine is prone to say, “it brings a funny taste to your trousers”.

Somehow we kinda lost a lot of that when the cd,s took over. Highlight of my week is every Saturday when I only allow myself to play all that lovely vinyl from back in the day.

One last question guys which I’m really keen to know......

What was your first ever album?


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Celtic Bhoy

Location: Scotland

Subject: The feud!

Step forward Mr Lyness and take a bow....

In spite of much good intention, there is a fair amount of vitriol on the site about Levon & Robbie. And I get it, it’s because we all care.

But Jon, what a lovely quote to remind us all of how it once was back in the day, which kinda explains how all that magic came about.

Sounding like it’s all good BEG from where you were a few weeks ago - great to see you never let it drag you down.

Suggestions please, answers on a postcard! Some friends I’ve known from my first day at school catch up once a fortnight on zoom and we take turns to set a music challenge.

This week, top 3 cover versions of great originals. All massive fans of The Band, Dylan, Neil Young, Van Morrison, The Eagles, John Hiatt, Springsteen etc.

All suggestions gratefully received. Until I get some better suggestions, my list is :-

Atlantic City - The Band and Springsteen.

It Ain’t me babe - Dylan and First Aid Kit

Tears of rage - The Band and Ray La Montaigne.

Stay safe out there guys.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Interesting to see that advertisers are starting to boycott Facebook because it provides a forum for hate-speech. This really should have happened a long time ago. I think the 'feud' is an example of something which would never have happened without the internet.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, I wish we had thunderstorms and rain here. They were expected earlier but we just heard a rumble miles away. Our beaches need a really good wash.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Si. Will definitely check them out. Playing Countdown to Ecstasy just now. Thunderstorm type rain outside.

I wish I was in Bournemouth. Party! Party!


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Posted by:

Si

Dunc, there are some fantastic Steely Dan unreleased tracks on YouTube, especially "The Bear", which is possibly an outtake from Aja or Gaucho. Slow tempo but catchy and unlike anything else from their first period. It's hard to believe they didn't see fit to put it out at the time. There's a remastered version on YT with excellent sound quality. Also an early demo of "Brooklyn" with Donald Fagen on vocals which I think is one of the best alternate versions of a song by any band. Some of these tracks have speed/pitch issues but the version with the bridge in the thumbnail sounds correct to me. Another good one is "I Can't Write Home About You" (Fagen & Becker sitting at a piano in the thumbnail). Quality is rough but it's a beautiful song that I can't stop playing. Finally there's "Dallas", a pre-first album single that Fagen and Becker disowned (they called it "stinko" in an interview), so it's not strictly unreleased but I think it's cool (Skunk Baxter on pedal steel).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Vee

New article by me on Toppermost. This time Bobby Vee.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks Kevin and Ben. Interesting about the guitar, Kevin.

Last couple of days, I’ve been playing Steely Dan. The musicianship on the albums is just brilliant, from every instrument, to the singing, to the backing singers - and all for the good of the song. Great guitar playing. Brilliant band.

Peter, is that you and the missus under the green parasol? It’s all happening in Bournemouth.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

"In the center of it all was a young beam of light on drums. Teeth gleaming, laughing, bleached hair glowing, whole body shaking, drumsticks twirling, pushing those red sparkle drums with a hawk painted on the bass drum like a white tornado. It was the first time I saw Levon Helm, and I'd never seen anything like it." --Robbie, Testimony


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ben.....I think you will enjoy Testimony. Right from the opening pages as he describes getting on a train in Canada at age 16 to head down to the US South to join The Hawks and all the descriptions of the friendships (especially with Levon) and adventures at all the hotels, dives and dancehalls along the way - i found it a most enjoyable read. And, also much new material and knowledge to me about his family life growing up that was nice to learn. As difficult as it may have been for him. Proof though that one great parent can be better than two average ones.

Another book with very good content on The Band is John Simon’s memoir “Truth, Lies & Hearsay”. Extensive coverage of the period around first two albums and also his association with the reformed band. An easy, almost breezy read but highly enjoyable.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jon, Revolver sounds right. I remember that a lot of the boots at that store were cdr's. Generation and Bleeker St. Records had a much higher percentage of silver pressed boots. I used to read Goldmine and Ice magazine and when I found listings for Band boots, more often than not I was able to find them at one of the Village stores. So, we may well have crossed paths there at that time. I had gone to college in Westchester for a few semesters in the early 90's and spent a fair amount of time in the Village then. In that period I wasn't shopping for music, I think we were just getting stoned and hanging out in Washington Square park and eating falafels...

haso, thanks for the offer. I'm kind of the on the fence about the book now as most of the comments here weren't that positive. I really should get Robbie's book next. That's the only major one that I haven't read. I guess that when it came out I really wasn't that interested in Robbie's version of events, but at this point, I am more ready to read it.


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Posted by:

b.lee

Subject: OMG BEG!

It is thought that Martin Mull first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." Given that, it's a bit of hoot to read a general literally textbook description, or attempt thereof, of music from a period that one lived through, realizing that there are now generations who weren't there, never heard it in context, and don't know how it influenced what came after. Now maybe I know how all those long dead European guys I've been listening to might feel. I hope to get back to your link and read some of the rest of the book. Interesting that at the end of the Psychedelic section, the listening exercises include Frank Zappa, who is not mentioned in the chapter itself. Hell of a thing to spring on some unsuspecting innocent!


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Psychedelic music

BEG-The Band? Musta been Garth’s harpsichord?! As an aside,The Doors were a downer on psychedelics.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson: "While playing with Bob Dylan I remember thinking, 'They’re going to wake me up tomorrow because all of this is impossible'"

Alan Paul
April 07, 2020

"The movie addresses Levon’s anger with you and the difficulties in that relationship, which you haven’t discussed too much.

Levon and I were the closest; he was the closest thing to a real brother I ever had

"It just came about naturally because we were really leaning on the very real story of the brotherhood. Levon and I were the closest; he was the closest thing to a real brother I ever had."

Did that make the difficulties that much more painful?

Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm(Image credit: Harvey L. Silver/Corbis via Getty Images) "Yes. It was painful to know what he was going through and that it was eating him up - and it had nothing to do with me. He’s a tremendous guy and a tremendous talent, somebody that I loved so much.

"When Levon said these things, I thought, “Oh, he’s having a tough time.” And I never engaged in it at all, because I knew there was something else going on, and then I found out he had health and financial problems.

"I still completely loved him. Years later, he suddenly said I was responsible for The Band not coming back together. There was a truth in that, that I completely admit to - but I would have done it if it was doable. I was the only one that showed up."

What do you mean?

After The Last Waltz, we wanted to talk about what we were going to do when we come back after everybody pursued some other things. We were going to meet at the studio, and I went there and nobody came or answered their phone.

"I sat there and waited, and it got dark outside and I thought, 'I’ve got to read the writing on the wall.' It was just a sign that everybody wanted to go in a different direction, and I was like, 'Okay, I get it.' And that was it. I showed up and I guess they would have if they could have."

A lot of guitar players displayed jealousy and wouldn’t show you things: 'I had to learn myself - and so do you'

And not just a Canadian - but a 16-year-old Native Canadian/Jewish kid.

"Right! I had to break down all these barriers to win, and it was such a challenge. I had obstacles to overcome that were a mile long."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Psychedelic Music and the 1960s

The Band?????????

Of course The Grateful Dead are here for JED and many other boyzzz on this site.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J... Youngest Band fan in TO :-D

Jon L... Youngest Band fan in NYC who met my friend Louuuu. :-D

Jed... close to Birthday Boy's age today. :-D

Looks like I will pick up food from College and Dufferin area. Virgil wants pork....I don't eat it at all so I'll be ordering seafood. When I was at NB and NG's home for a weekend I was asked if there was anything I don't eat and I said pork. Lol NG thought I was Jewish. Well, someone else in the GB thought I was Native because I post so much about Robbie. Another person thought I was Black as I post a lot about Marley. Anyway, Gray Boy and Midnight dropped by to wish Virgil a Happy Healthy Birthday. I managed to put on a Birthday tiara upside down on Gray Boy. Later today I or more likely Virgil will try with Midnight. I know all this sounds so frivolous or silly? Of course his best gift would be to hear from his daughters.....I will never make up for that heartache but I keep telling him that it only took me three decades to forgive a close relative so it's only been two decades with his kidzzzz.....So sorry NOMADIC MIKE that you are also experiencing this as I thought the last time I heard from you that things were cool. They will be again....I always say as long as we are alive.....There's hope. Even South American boy's mom said.....Everything takes time and it does! :-D


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Posted by:

Clark Gobble

Subject: typos

Funkly my dears, I don't give a damn.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: BEG

Glad to read your health is improving.


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Posted by:

Pat B

IDK, "funkly" is my new favorite adverb.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Not sure that was a typo, Dave H...as not even a force as insidious as Autocorrect could tame a cat as inventive as the good doctor ! He seemed to speak in a language all his own.


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Posted by:

Dave H

Subject: typo

Should be "funky," of course...


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Posted by:

Dave H

From Dr. John's autobiography Under a Hoodoo Moon, p. 181, in the midst of a story about Jerry Wexler recommending Albert Grossman to be his manager in the early '70s: "He [Grossman] certainly had The Band pointed in the right direction. These were cats I had known from my days on the chitlin' circuit way back when; back then, they'd been playing with Ronnie Hawkins and I was working funkly little road dates in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas with my band."


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: Dr. John

Peter: my impression from Mack's commentary on the anniversary TLW dvd was that he encountered the Hawks back in those juke joint days of the South and Southwest that kind of winter-weather coupled w/ the Ronnie trips to Yonge St and environs. Not sure if Greil Marcus or Jay Cocks said something like that as well.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: small town

Going back to Fathers' Day: Ben... I personally would weigh in w/ Mr. Viney. In fact, I'd send you my copy of "Small Town Talk", if you'd like. I've thought Hoskyns a good source on his original study of the OQ and his commentary on various medias about the Band. Enough so, that I ordered, bought, (local bookstore, I tend away from the Behometh) and read his tome on Laurel Canyon and the denizens (C, S, N, Y; Joni, Jackson Brown, etc.) of that peculiar place. But STT seemed kind of gratuitous; a lot, lot of name-dropping.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Very happy news, BEG. I really do try and read everything you post but must have missed your news on the negative test. I had been wondering as I had thought 28 days must have passed already. And, your partner deserves much love and a good meal for having hung in there with you through all this. Do be careful eating out though. Too many things to touch or that have been touched as the food approaches your mouth.

I've been listening to a lot of guitar lately - more than normal - and not that I didn't know already about how good Dickie Betts was but he really was something else. A related reminder to anyone looking for a 5 star music documentary - you should enjoy "Tom Dowd and the Language of Music"


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: more Duke Edwards

Here's Duke Edwards powering Rhinoceros through a live version of "Better Times" at Randall's Island NY in 1970. Grainy film, but worthy.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto
Web: My link

Subject: The (other) Young Ones

Here's a link to the title song of a powerful 1968(?) and mostly out-there and most instrumental album by a Montreal-based group of mostly transplanted American jazz guys. (There's a local guy on guitar and guesting Torontonians on tenor and percussion.) Group singer-leader is Duke Edwards, a New Orleans native who moved to Montreal to join Sun Ra in the early '60s. He moved to Toronto, became the 'musical guru' of Jon and Lee and the Checkmates, writing the b-side to their only record. He also, through a friendship with Ronnie Hawkins, became the manager of the locally important Frank Sheppard and the Good Shepherds. And then he moved back to Montreal to form the Young Ones. He then rejoined his Checkmate chums in Rhinoceros for their third LP (1970). He subsequently returned to New Orleans, where he became the director of the Louis Armstrong Museum or Centre or something like that. For those few of you who got to see the "Yonge Street Rock and Roll Stories" documentary, Duke was the guy who talked about Toronto being the first place he'd ever been where nobody could tell him where the 'black' area of town is. "Black Elephant", also on YouTube, is an out-there jazz instrumental, so a better indication of the usual sound - but this one seems more timely right now.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Young Ones

One of my most thorough 60s reviews, laden with pictures. THE YOUNG ONES from 1962, starring Cliff Richard & The Shadows. This film did nothing in the USA (entitled Wonderful To Be Young), but in the UK, the rivals in popularity on release would be A Hard Day's Night and Help! (And the sequel, Summer Holiday). This film was massive. It has some discomfort in mixing genres … pastiche MGM musical with 60s pop exploitation. In spite of that we enjoyed revisiting it. It's a great snapshot of the directly pre-Beatles era … filmed in mid-1961, General Release was January 1962.


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Posted by:

MWL180

Subject: Homegrown

Long-time lurker and very infrequent poster. There is an interesting article on a website I frequent about Neil Young's Homegrown. While there is nothing earth-shattering, some fun information about "debauchery" with Rick and Richard and some info about creative special effects on The Last Waltz. The site is called The Ringer which is free and found by a simple Google search. Sorry....I don't know how to post a link. Enjoy.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

BEG, glad you're doing well! That's great news.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I have also been to Generation Records....First time I was there with Crab someone waltzed in and bought Dylan's Great White Wonder....awwww.....so close and yet so far away. I did buy some The Band and Van boots. Store close by I met a Canadian owner who married an American and bought a cool hair clip and flip flops....She gave me a ticket to have a free drink next door where her partner owned a bar. I know....Sometimes good things happen to me out of the blue....Then Crab took me to either Revolver Records or....Gee not sure but I think it was at St. Marks Place which had meaning for me via of Louuu. And yes he pointed out on 8th Avenue where Hendrix recorded. One of the best ways to experience a city is to see it with a native. I had been visiting NYC since 1991.....

I remember at Louuuu's place in the West Village Sinead O'Connor's Nothing Compares To You was playing on TV.....and I saw The Pogues at the Palladium!!! It was our March break and we just lucked out. On the plane blue-eyed girl and I checked out the Village Voice and made our plans. We saw the Alvin Ailey Dance Company....I teared up during Fix Me Jeus....and the Merce Cunningham Dance Company where Merce was up on stage at the very end and.....blue-eyed girl (music teacher who was in my classes with green-eyed girl) noticed that avant-garde John Cage was in the audience....works closely with Cunningham. Another night we were walking on Mcdougall street and she noticed a Bar and said let's go. She's even more fearless than I am as I'm more hesitant at first. Fantastic night of music. We met some people from Detroit and stayed late. We didn't have far to walk to my friend's home. She had three bedrooms so a large home right besideWe were there for nine days and enjoyed ourselves as both of us are into visual and performing arts. So for me everything on this trip in 1991 was a first. She was the perfect person for me to experience the Big Apple. She was not into The Band at all. She never liked Dylan's voice but yet likes Neil Young. She's also the one who gave me a cassette of Stephen Fearing's music when I didn't know about him or BARK. She's from Lunenburg, Nova Scotia so she's into celtic music and even travelled many times to France to be part of a Hurdy Gurdy group of musicians.

For everyone who wished me well with contracting Covid-19; so far so good!!! Virgil's last day of self-iso was yesterday as well!! Tomorrow he turns 69. We are deciding on whether to go to his fave Portuguese restaurant in the west end where there are picnic tables at the back....or just take-out again. We're not in a hurry to mingle with others as he had to iso twice the time I did. Hopefully I will have some immunity but no one knows for sure yet. Heart felt thanks again. :-D


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Boots

I do miss searching through Goldmine for live recordings and studio outtakes from Dylan, Morrison, Clapton, Marley, Browne and, of course, The Band. This was during the advent of the CD era (pre-internet) where a lot of stuff was dubbed off of LPs, radio shows and tapes.

I do recall my excitement when I found and an ad for The Complete Last Waltz. The asking price was $100. It was a great find and the sound quality was good.

While most of my boots are collecting dust these days, I still listen to The Band's The Last Moving Shadows and Tombstone with Jules Shear (Peter V gave me a version of the latter years ago).

I do have one Eric Clapton boot called Turn Up Down, an unreleased studio album recorded in 1980 at Surrey Sound Studios. 13 Tracks: Blues Instrumental, There Ain't No Money, Games Up, Rita Mae, Freedom, Evangelina, Home Lovin',Hold Me Lord, Something Special, I'd Love To Say I Love You, Catch Me If You Can, Thunder and Lightning and Oh How I Miss My Baby Love.

Don;t know the back story about this music. Would be interested if any GBers know about it. joe


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: sustainnnn

Norm: Thanks - Taj has a future. Hopefully it will include Carlos pulling him into Nazareth to pick up a Gibson.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Carlos Santana & Taj Farrant

So if you haven't seen this little boy from Australia (10 years old), now you watch him cuttin'heads with Carlos.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Weight

It's a mark of a good song that people can generate their own images and meanings from the words (and music). I've never thought about the meaning of the song that much but each verse does conjure up it's own set of pictures in my head. (Carmen is a black woman walking down the road with some dodgy guy, The final verse has a big steam engine in it).


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Ben, pretty sure you're describing Revolver Records, the second floor walkup on West 8th Street that carried Beatles and Dylan boots. Funny. I'm sure we crossed paths unknowingly at one of these places!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Live recordings

There was one with lots in Evanston, wasn't there, Pat? Though it tended to Grateful Dead from memory.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: New York record stores

Pat and Jon, Generation was a big one for silver pressed boots. I never had any luck at Bleeker Bob's. I think that place may have been a tourist trap. I used to like to stop for a slice of pepperoni at the pizza joint next door. There was a place a few blocks away on the other side of Washington square park, it was on 8th street, I believe, right across the street from Jimi Hendrix's Electric Lady studio. That store was up on the second floor and was down the block from one of the great hot dog papaya juice places mmm mmmm mmm. I think the deal was two dogs with mustard and kraut and a papaya drink for 5 bucks.

There were also some good record stores down on St. Mark's Place. There were several independent stores that carried some boots, there was a place that sold a lot of promos. Lots of good places to shop for music in. I used to go in regularly in the 90's into the early 00's. But, the last few times I went the stores had begun closing down. All of the places on St. Mark's had closed. I think the only places that were still there was Generation, Bleeker Bob's and Bleeker Street Records.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Very true.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Lisa: No doubt Robbie was taken with Bunuel and Nararin, but stuff going from bad to worse isn't really the story of "The Weight", where things go wrong as soon as the narrator gets to town, and stay bad (if marginally worse or marginally better) until he leaves. Before or after, who knows? In another words, a story structured a common way. Not a tragedy where things go from good to bad, or a fairytale where they go from bad to good, but one that goes from bad to bad, or at least not so good to not so good. Millions of stories are like that. Millions of lives too.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: The Weight

My recollection is that Robbie (pre-Scorsese), movie buff from early on, was especially fascinated by the films of Luis Bunuel, and "Nazarin" in particular. It has a long, complicated plot, but is basically about a priest trying to help someone out, and things go from bad to worse. Or as Robbie put it, the impossibility of sainthood, which I always thought was an interesting way to put it.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Photos of Aretha recording The Weight


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Posted by:

Pat B

I gave a lot of money to Generation Records. Shopped over the phone. A woman who worked there occasionally called when a Band thing became available.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jon L: Yes, it's an interesting approach to the song. A civil rights tie is "The Stones I Throw", which I believe Robbie Robertson saw as suiting the Staples. Still, my - and maybe just my - suspicion is that the verse was inspired by a Hasidic fable.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Bill, 100%. The first verse theme of being turned away tracks well with some of the Staples' 1960s songs. Additionally, quite a number of black artists recorded covers of The Weight in the late 60s/early 70s, so perhaps they felt that resonance as well. Again, nice insight.

Ben, I spent so much on Dylan boots at those Village CD shops in the 90s, they should've had my picture up on their walls. As you say, most of those places are long gone, but amazingly Generation Records is still hanging in there on Thompson Street. Their website says they've just reopened yesterday after a three-month closing.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Building on my last note, maybe much of the appeal of "The Weight" is that so many of us connect with the first lines (and verse), for a variety of reasons - racism, other kinds of bigotry, too many other tourists, a convention in town having soaked up all available rooms …. It's also clear that people 'colour' the outline based on their own backgrounds and assumptions - Chapman read Protestant into the story, Scorcese Catholic, Mary Pat American, Bill M Canadian, etc.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: boots

Peter, That's a great story about the Van boots. Back in the 90's I used to make regular trips into New York to hit the record stores in the Village. I was able to acquire a pretty large collection of Band and Dylan bootlegs. I haven't been up there in years and believe that nearly all of those record stores have closed down.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: pulled into the website, was stunned by two posts down

Thanks Jon. I imagine that the opening lines would have resonated with the Staples, especially Pop, when they sang "The Weight". Maybe that's why Mavis continued to sing it?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Enjoyed Kevin J's clandestine DVD story. It reminds me of many years ago at a record fair. A stall had rows of Dylan, Springsteen and Led Zep "live" recordings (a euphemism). I casually said, 'No Van Morrison?' The guy said 'Five minutes. Front car park. Second row, dark blue Ford Sierra.' I was curious and he opened the back and had a box of Van "live" recordings. I said, 'You were selling the others openly.' He replied, 'Yeah, but they don't send round two large threatening guys to confiscate it."


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Posted by:

anonymous

[racist slur deleted]


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Dance Hall Girls

Bill M......thank you for that story and link. I love the version of the song on the John Oates album Mississippi Mile. In fact, I just purchased it from iTunes. Great song. Quite a rarity also for a big time musician to pay such proper respect to the original artists and the songwriter to boot in such a setting. Good on John Oates.


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Posted by:

Rod

Bill M - Bob Boucher also plays on Beautiful Noise


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: The Weight

Robbie's quote from BEG's excerpt: "[The Weight] is about the guilt of relationships, not being able to give what’s being asked of you." Never heard him say it quite that way before. That's fascinating on a number of levels.

(Love Bill's comment too that the narrator of The Weight could have been a weary black musician, unable to find needed shelter in that first verse. Also a very thought-provoking idea.)


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Leonardo

Agreed Kevin. In this day and with the racial climate it really takes some dedication to perform that convincingly. Along with some of those black actors the way they treat each other in those fights.

One of the best ever and you have to credit Speilberg the way he can get reality out of his cast was La Amistad. One of my all time favourite flicks. The work that Anthony Hopkins did as John Quincey Adams and the very long dialogue he gave in court was impressive.

I have the 30th anniversary copy of "Blazing Saddles". The comments of the actors (particularly the white cowboys) remarked how some of the dialogue made them squirm and was hard to do. But they had to make it real. Only problem is the crazies who believe it.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Norm.....I saw Django when it was first released. I remember that mixed in with some of that twisted Tarantino humour were a couple of scenes that were pretty tough to watch. Maybe just one - not sure but my lasting memory of that film was that Leonardo DiCaprio was brilliant in it and deserved to have won a best supporting actor academy award. It was never going to happen due to the character he was playing but his acting was off the charts great.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Django

In these times with the current human condition this movie of Jamie Foxx is one to watch. For those who may have seen it the scenes with Don Johnson and his gang of red necks is so funny I almost had a cardiac arrest "no choke hold tho'".

If you haven't seen it, Jamie Foxx becomes a cowboy fast gun bounty hunter and takes up with this white guy from Germany who used to be a dentist and becomes bounty hunter. They shoot 3 guys on Don Johnson's ranch who were worth $7000 or something. Don Johnson (I forget his name in the flick) rounds up all his people and surrounding ranches and they go out to get these bounty hunters and string 'em up. They put on hoods like KKK. Trouble is they don't fit so well and "we can't see a fuckin' thing out of these things" the eye holes ain't cut right. The guy whose wife spent all day makin' these things is very hurt by their complaints and leaves. This is so funny you got to see it Kevin.

I have become a net flix junkie. Particularly documentaries on so many things. The planet and wild life. The Siberian tiger for example. These people camp for over 2 months just to see one. When they finally get this big guy filmed it is incredible how big he is. A huge tiger standing in the gawd damn snow! Not what you expect to see.....just beautiful.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

An aside about my purchase of “Once Were Brothers”. It was a bit like buying hash at the pool hall in 1979. I called my video store to see if OWB was in. Establishing that it was, I was instructed to be at Bay and Bloor at 3:30pm where a guy would meet me on the sidewalk. So, a guy carrying a bag asks if I’m Kevin and we do the transaction. CCTV likely has it all on tape. All in the name of The Band !


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Posted by:

Kevin J

“I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch/ He said to me, "you must not ask for so much"/ And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door/ She cried to me, "hey, why not ask for more?"

Thank you, Dunc. I do check-out now and then but no, I don’t think I’ll ever leave. This GB really was Facebook before Facebook and Twitter before Twitter and will continue to be what it is for a long time to come. I hope. Though, this lockdown and spending too much time here has its consequences as I’ve started adding backslash n’s to regular non-GB messages these days !

Anyhow, I’ve been listening to a lot of Leonard Cohen recently. Takes me away and reminds me of the pleasures of escape - and speaking of escape, really glad that I recorded almost all of the late great Anthony Bourdain shows from his Travel & Escape period. “No Reservations” was the best travel show ever done. The shows on Vietnam and France are particularly brilliant. It’s been a blast rewatching all of the shows. What a loss...

Recent movies or tv series re-watched with great pleasure as well......”Appaloosa” ...a fine western with Viggo Mortensen and Ed Harris, “The Night Manager” ... John L’Carre mini series, “The Good German” - very underrated in my view. Panned by critics, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Picked up the DVD of “Once Were Brothers” on the weekend ( at Bay Street Video for TO residents reading ) It is the theatrical movie release version - so no bonus material. I would guess the next release of it for Christmas will include bonus material.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

I was amazed and thrilled to learn, about 10 years after the fact, that John Oates (of Hall and …) had recorded Fraser and Debolt's 'big' song, "Dance Hall Girls". Here's a live version of him doing the song. Brilliant song.

I met Allan Fraser around '81 when we were both helping my best friend sell home insulation door to door. And again last year, when he turned up at a blues jam hosted by different friend who happened to be lifelong friend of his from Sherbrooke, Quebec. As for (Daisy) Debolt, she was an absolute force of nature until her death maybe 10 years ago. I remember seeing her and her large band in 86 or '87 at Albert's Hall upstairs the Brunswick House. Large enough to accommodate two accordionists, and large enough to stare down anyone who dared complain. Some of you Torontonians must've frequented the place back then.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Cabbagetown miss

Angie, interesting occasional vignettes from your past. I feel that I know you a little better now. Thanks, too, for the links and the passion. I can also relate on a personal level to your partner's pain re his kids. It hoits, fer shure. And yes, I grew up with the Hawks, best bar band I’ve ever seen, although a few others have come close. Used to save my college beer money just to see them, returning every night they were in town. Then travel to out-of-town venues when practical. It was . . . um, swell, as they say. Kevin, I’m sure, would understand.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: current listening

Here's a highlight from the LP that just ended - an interesting cover of one of the more Bandish Beatle classics. This duo were critical darlings in the early '70s, sorta like the McGarrigles were a few years later but without the songwriting successes (though they both did that well too).


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Pat B

BEG, the Scorsese book author is my cousin, Mary Pat Kelly. She and her family grew up two blocks from us. I had a crush on her sister, Nancy. She was a nun (I attended her vows ceremony in Terre Haute, IN), and communicated with Marty when he was a film student. She's worked on a number of his movies and remains a close friend. She's quite the writer.


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Bill M

BEG: I'd say that a source more enlightening than the Unnerstall quote is either of the extended explications by Garth Hudson that can be found in Bob Mersereau's book on the top 100 Canadian albums. Amazon has it in paperback for just $10.33 - but that's probably US.


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Bill M

As I typed my last note, "Hearth from Earth" reached the end of side 2. Out it goes, and not for the first time. Nothing at all objectionable, but the only thing that interested me, beyond the fact that Garth was playing just normal keyboards and not synthesizer, was the presence of Bob Boucher on bass.

Robbie, who produced the Hirth LP, also used Boucher on the Jesse Winchester LP. Before that, Boucher had replaced Ken Kalmusky in Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks ca '66, and held down the bottom for a fabulous lineup - guitarist John Till, organist Gord Fleming, pianist Richard Bell, drummer Dave Lewis and singers Eugene 'Jay' Smith and Jackie Gabriel.


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Bill M

Subject: Just stay out of this one Robbie!

BEG: Chapman and Scorcese sound like humans - quibbling among themselves over the meaning of X, not even thinking to seek the views of the actual creator of X who is standing two feet away.


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Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Identity

It always kind of irks me that Americans like to take credit unjustly for too many things. Winning the second world war for example. A documentary I watched recently shows clearly that on the Russian front the Russians took on the biggest job of defeating Germany.

What I'm getting at, the clearest relavent example is in your post BEG. This guy from Miami seems to see the Band as just Americans. Maybe he's never listened to Acadian Driftwood. As much as I read of his writing I saw no identity with Canada there.


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brown eyed girl

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Ok....I got it now Robbie.

"In the end, Scorsese’s meticulous preparation for the filming and framing of The Last Waltz resulted in a 200-page script that instructed each cameraman on every position and each moment that they needed to film during the evening. An example of the attention to constructed details around the film can be found during the post-concert recordings of “The Last Waltz Suite” at MGM studios in which an argument erupted between cinematographer Michael Chapman and Scorsese concerning the correct choice of lighting for the production of “The Weight:”

Chapman insisted it was a Protestant song and that, as a Catholic, Scorsese didn’t understand the Gospel influences. (‘Go down, Miss Moses, there’s nothing you can say. It’s just old Luke, and Luke’s waiting on the Judgment Day’). Scorsese wanted him to use the colors violet and yellow, suggesting a Catholic intonation in the song.

Robertson had 65. Ellis Cashmore, “Idea of a Man” in Martin Scorsese’s America (Cambridge: Polity, 2009), 206. 66\ no say in the matter, but listened approvingly. ‘I liked everything they were saying because I had never thought of any of it...the song is about the guilt of relationships, not being able to give what’s being asked of you,’ said Robertson.66 Here we view another example of how the detailed production behind The Last Waltz contributes to the construction of the Band’s American narrative. By focusing the presentation of the group’s music on important American cultural influences such as Christianity, the film works to support the groups already established identity and, in this case, even goes beyond what the group originally intended. For example, by attempting to label an American group as a specifically Christian ensemble, the inference suggests that other religious organizations are somehow less American. And in this case what is and what is not considered to be the “most American” is used to help to define the group’s identity. This example proves how The Last Waltz enforces a specific character on the ensemble that results in labeling the group as a founding chapter in the book on American musical history.

Scorsese concludes the film with footage from the true final performance of the Band under the original lineup. With Manuel on dobro, Helm on mandolin, Danko on upright bass, Hudson on organ, and Robertson on harp guitar, the Band looks more like a classical chamber ensemble performing the requiem to their own careers. Featuring an instrumental piece titled “The Last Waltz Refrain” filmed at the MGM studio recordings, 66. Mary Pat Kelly, Martin Scorsese: A Journey (Boston: Da Capo Press, 2004), 115-116.


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brown eyed girl

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Crafting Americana: The Band, The Last Waltz, and
a Revivalist American Perspective in the 1970s

Unnerstall, Grant Lawrence
2019

Conclusion
The Band and The Last Waltz represent a revivalist perspective by reflecting on the feelings of 1970s disillusionment in the United States through the creation of music that represents historic American references. Through numerous musical associations with genres such as Southern rockabilly, New Orleans jazz, Mississippi Delta blues, Appalachian folk songs, Evangelical church music, as well as many other influences, the Band was successful in establishing a certain kind of American identity that would define the group’s career. The Last Waltz embodies these notions within the convenient context of an historical artifact that is captured in film and subsequently defines what type of American music and cultural influences establish the Band’s version of America.

Finally, the combination of all these factors throughout the Band’s career coalesce under the constructed nostalgic term Americana. Furthermore, new associations between members of the group and the modern genre continue into the 21st century. In 2010, Helm accepted the inaugural Grammy Award for “Best Americana Album,” for his solo work, and later received the honor again in 2012 shortly before his death in April of that same year. These awards prove that despite the fact that the group no longer exists and that many of the individual members have since passed away, the Band’s legacy continues to represent a quintessential example of traditional American music under the meticulously crafted term Americana.

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brown eyed girl

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I was born by the Grand River.....and I've been runnin' ever since.

I cannot remember if Al Green sang this song or any other songs unfortunately. I saw him in the mid-eighties at our Reggae Fest at Lamport Stadium. In this clip he is performing with another musician I saw at Eric Clapton's Guitar Fest....Booker T!.... and yes he performed Green Onions....The only song I heard as a child....

What I do remember very clearly.....At this time I was lost....I had my four year degree and quickly became aware that it was like a high school diploma...

Before I was going to commit to two more years of school and difficult years financially.... I was a TA working with grade seven and eight students in a Learning Centre. The first school was in Drake's affluent hood....however he lived with his Ma in a basement apartment. He did not live like Lorne Michael from SNL who lived in this hood.....Yeah he's Canadian in case ya didn't know. Drake's Jewish Ma was astute...Live in an affluent hood in order to give the best opportunities for her son....Drake's black father was not around then. The teacher I worked with one day stood right up in front of the students and told them at one point that poverty didn't exist in Toronto. Her partner was a physician at CAMH and sure in her wold she never saw or experienced poverty. I didn't live in poverty only because my Ma and brother and I lived with our paternal grandparents. My Ma's siblings and parents were in Europe.....So after six months I transferred to the school actually across from where I live now. I spoke up at a staff meeting.....and the Principal hauled me into the Office. He said if I wanted to speak my mind I should at least become a certified teacher. After two years I attended the Institute of Child Study which is now part of OISE. Some years after I graduated from the program....it became a MA in Education. It didn't matter pay wise....because of my training I was in the highest paid salary anyway.

Never too late to go back to school......As a teacher I spoke up again at a Staff Meeting and the Principal told all of us that he doesn't get angry he gets even. He got even alright. He gave me many very challenged students as opposed to giving each of us teaching the same grade some of the students.....behavioural issues ADD, children living in Women's Shelters, learning disabilities which by the way these children have average or above average intelligence but maybe they have a problem processing language or their short or long term memory......I somehow survived.....I had to as the students depended on me.

At another school I was really appreciated so I could challenge administration when I saw it was necessary and no problems....However, she did say wow for someone teaching in their first year you sure have a lot to say. Of course I did as my life experiences were different than many teachers which allowed me to be more empathetic to the many students who didn't know it yet but I was determined to instill in them that all we had was education.....Just like my Ma instilled in me....We weren't part of a social class where you went to University because it was to get your MRS.....We went to school because it was the only way we were not going to live close to poverty.....When I witnessed daily how hard my Ma worked in a textile factory for such little pay even though she was in a Union....An American one which one day up and left and then her life was really close to poverty....I could not help as I was a struggling student myself.....Those lean years made such an impact on me......If we didn't have our grandparents......I was determined never to be dependent on anyone financially.....ever.....

Anyway, my first Principal was a female who taught me to get up out of bed when you couldn't sleep and bake or cook. I still do this....Virgil lets me know the next morning that it's not cool as he can smell whether I'm making gluten-free pancakes with buckwheat flour or.....This Principal lived in an exclusive part of town..... was mean spirited to other female teachers because they were older and hadn't trained at my school. I was the IT girl for three years...whatever I requested it appeared. It would never be the same when I changed to other schools closer to where I lived.....I should have just moved close to my school but I don't always take the road more travelled......The other thing I observed as time passed....Principals were coming out of schools with an MBA rather than a MED.....Yup....A change came alright.

Apologies to Joshua Ledet who performed A Change Is Gonna Come....He was actually 20 years old....not 24.

Let Me Breathe


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Bill M

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Subject: A change ...

Here's the Sam Cooke version - still my favourite and surely deserving of A-side status even at the time of release by RCA. Reading about the NO that Sam Cooke and his band received at the motel in Louisiana, and then watching this, the thought occurred to me that the protagonist / narrator of "The Weight" could have been Sam Cooke, or any number of African-American (or African-Canadian) musicians who went though (and in some cases still go through) similar circumstances.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Change

I actually heard the Otis version on friday afternoon at a barbecue and sang along to a verse. The Otis version is very powerful and his vocal is far grittier than Sam, but I think Sam's gospel background allowed him to bring a fervor and passion to his performance that beats Otis by a hair. Transcendent stuff.

brown eyed girl, I'm a big Lou Rawls fan. Stormy monday, Tobacco road, lots of good stuff. The Sam Cooke song that I really hear Lou wailing in the background is 'Bring it on home to me'. Classic, Van did a great version of that tune on 'It's too late too stop now'.


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brown eyed girl

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"A Change Is Gonna Come" is a song by American recording artist Sam Cooke. It initially appeared on Cooke's album Ain't That Good News, released mid-February 1964[1] by RCA Victor; a slightly edited version of the recording was released as a single on December 22, 1964. Produced by Hugo & Luigi and arranged and conducted by René Hall, the song was the B-side to "Shake".

The song was inspired by various personal events in Cooke's life, most prominently an event in which he and his entourage were turned away from a whites-only motel in Louisiana. Cooke felt compelled to write a song that spoke to his struggle and of those around him, and that pertained to the Civil Rights Movement and African Americans. The song contains the refrain, "It's been a long time coming, but I know a change is gonna come."

Though only a modest hit for Cooke in comparison with his previous singles, "A Change Is Gonna Come" is widely considered Cooke's best composition and has been voted among the best songs ever released by various publications. In 2007, the song was selected for preservation in the Library of Congress, with the National Recording Registry deeming the song "culturally, historically, or aesthetically important."[

I think it was two years later that marriage was finally legal in all USA states between a white person and an African-American person. Nope. It was a year later when Canada was 100 years old.

"Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since the 1967 Supreme Court decision that deemed anti-miscegenation state laws unconstitutional, with many states choosing to legalize interracial marriage at much earlier dates."


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brown eyed girl

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We all love each other don't we? Am I right?


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Peter V

I'd forgotten The Nevilles version. Beautiful. Otis will always remain #1.


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Bill M

I forgot to note that the Billy Preston version (thanks Norm) has "every since"). If asked, Billy may have said just "that's the way God planned it".


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Sonny

Subject: Neville Brothers - A Change Is Gonna Come

I always remember Charlie Gillett playing it on the radio and claiming it was just as good as Sam Cooke's original. I like the Otis version the best.


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Pat B

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Sounds insane but Cory Wells from 3 Dog Night did a more than creditable Change Is Gonna Come. And Baby Huey & The Babysitters were a roaring Chicago band. Whew were they good.


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Bill M

Peter V: Thanks for the link to Baby Huey. Something of a revelation, despite the serial scarring by the echo machine and the attempted self-immolation during the long spoken outro. Still vies with Otis for #2.

The only other one I have is by Toronto group Blackstone -basically Rhinoceros reassembled after five years. Maybe 1975. BEG might be interested to know that the drummer was Richard Steinberg, who was in Tycoon with Michael Fonfara and other Lou Reed vets. He may be from Montreal originally, as a couple years before that he'd played on Tim Ryan's solo LP, which was done in Montreal with local musicians mostly. (Pat B: These included both Alan Gerber and Randy Bishop; also Richard Baker, later of Santana.)


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Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
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Subject: Billy Preston A Change is Gonna Come

Gettin right down to it, Billy Preston does everything top shelf.


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brown eyed girl

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...and then there is the 24 year A CHANGE IS GONNA COME. Btw when ever I play Sam Cooke's YOU SEND ME....I had no idea for years that it was....Louuuuu Rawls singing back up! Also it was Crabby's friend who gave me a....shoot I'd have to look it up but the music company she works for in NYC did some new pressings and Sam Cooke's Greatest Hits was one of them. I have this recording only on LP and no more stereo to play ......Sheesh! You'd think of all people that I'd have a fabulous system......Maybe this holiday season when the sales are on.


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Hey BILL M. Yup! I was at the same Red Rooster today picking up food for Father's Day. Although Virgil's children keep telling him that they are busy or don't respond; I still try to make this day special as he raised his kidzzz until teen years as he worked mostly nights and weekends while former partner worked during the day outside the household. He didn't even want to check his phone today as the disappointment would be crushing.....I think the visits today from Gray Boy and Midnight really helped him....Once a father always a father. Hopefully they won't wait four decades like I did to forgive someone.....for me a very close relative.....For those of you who are close to your children....Keep it that way! I would give up all the shows I've seen in my life to have that. So I guess that Levon and I had something in common after all...and a couple of other things. ;-D Anyway Bill, I did post info and a photo of the Concord Plaque before but here it is again. Very cool that our very own NOMADIC MIKE....You saw The Hawks here right or was it somewhere else? Of course the late JT's father was a part-owner of this Club. When we started emailing the very first thing he told me was about his memories about this Club. He'd have his cokes during the afternoons watching The Hawks!!!!!! Wow!!!!!! I forgot to ask if he ever saw The Hawk do his back flips the way Now BEN.....I'm only sharing what JT told me.....He told me that his father told him that Robbie......yes Robbie......was the most polite of all of them. Just sayin'..... :-D

Here are the visitors' comments for this page.

Posted July 13, 2019 As a young teenager my girlfriends and I used to go to the Concord on a Saturday afternoon to see Ronnie Hawkins, Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm. It was so great of them to put on a show in the afternoon for the kids. I have a few pictures! Great times! Thanks Conn vmoore482@gmail.com

Posted February 21, 2018 My aunt worked at the Concord back in the 60's. She often spoke of Conway Twitty and how he would bring 2 little girls in to his work. I have a Rolex cigarette lighter she received as a gift there still in its original Rolex box and in a little velveteen pouch. It has never been used and is inscribed The Concord Tavern Toronto, Canada. Thought someone might be interested. Thanks Conn cbowden@gbtel.ca

ROD...I think you're right about the quote. I asked about your music 'cause I couldn't access it? I think that you're a good musician so share, share, share! :-D

NORM...All systems go! I may send photos of Gray Boy and Midnight since Susan is a fan of felines as well.


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Peter V

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Subject: A Change IsGonna Come

Try Baby Huey from 1972. Linked. Personally, Otis first, Sam Cooke 2nd. The Band? Fourth would be generous.


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Peter V

Bill, yes, thanks. Sorry. I meant to reply.


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Wallsend

BEG, thanks for the link to those Robbie videos. He really seemed in the zone in terms of his singing and guitar playing on that version of The Weight.


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Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
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Subject: A Change is Gonna Come

Another great cover by Playing For Change.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: every since

Bill, It's not in the Sam Cooke or Otis Redding versions. I just listened to both of them and while the Otis version is a fine performance, it can't hold a candle to Sam Cooke which is astonishing. Al Green also did a very moving version on the Concert for the Rock and roll hall of fame cd back in the mid 90's.


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Bill M

Subject: A Change Is Going To Come / chicken

The other day I posted Rick Danko singing "A Change Is Going To Come", but forgot to ask where Rick got the "every since" from. I don't think it was in Sam Cooke's original.

BEG: Dinner yesterday was from the Red Rooster on Bloor - almost across the street from the building that housed the Concord Tavern. The Historical Board saw fit to install a historical plaque there, and it mentions our guys. (Peter V: Did you get the photo I sent of it a couple weeks ago?)


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Ok Ben's this is my fave Reformed Band song just for you.

Off to the Red Rooster. Virgil requested Portuguese food. Difficult day as his 33 and 35 year old children still won't engage with him.....Just heard this morning that most fathers just want a phone call/text from their kidzzzz.....true. I gave him a card and small gift and bought a cake I know he'll love....and trying not to annoy him for one day. He has two more days of quarantine. I was surprised I wasn't told to retest. Anyway, it's too hot here without central air so the home cooked meal will have to be for his birthday later this week if....if.....humidity lets up. :-D


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brown eyed girl

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"Robbie Robertson is joined by Dr. John, Sheryl Crow, and Steve Cropper in a TV performance broadcast 9-2-95.

The BetaGems channel also has "Robbie Robertson performs on late night TV in January 1991," "Robbie Robertson 2-6-95 late night TV performance," "Eric Clapton & Robbie Robertson 3-8-00 TV performance," and "Dr. John 9-2-95 TV performance" from this same broadcast."


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Bill M

Rod: I agree re "Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show", and I'll add that Neil D's "Tap Root Manuscript" always seemed Bandish to me. The woman of "Cracklin' Rosie". "Ophelia", "Jemima Surrender" and "Up On Cripple Creek" are pretty much interchangeable, unfortunately.


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Bill M

BEG: "Satisfaction" was the first I heard of Devo too. Really good record, even if their only one. Devolution would have been a known concept within the Robertson household, I suspect, as the Band was clearly devolving in more than one way.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Dunc, Interesting comment about the 90's Band albums. There was some great material cut with Jules Shear in 1990 or 91 that's on the 'Tombstone' bootleg. The title cut, 'Tombstone, tombstone' is a lost masterpiece. it's a travesty that it didn't make it onto 'Jericho' while middling material like 'Amazon' did.

Larry Campbell did some amazing work with Levon on 'Dirt Farmer' and 'Electric Dirt', maybe if he had been involved on the 90's Band albums, they would have been stronger, but again, I'm pretty happy with them, especially 'Jubilation'.


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Bill M

Peter V: If I was Mr Martin in Nazareth PA, I'd have kissed Robbie's feet - AND sponsored his film.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Lots of great discussions going on here over the past few days. Dunc, interesting comments about the history of the gb. It seems to me much of the vitriol that used to pop up here has now moved onto facebook. Which is fine, let the people who want to be divisive and nasty stay over there.

Pat, thank you again for referring to me as young man...I'm 51 and have a 7 year old, so I don't feel particularly young. I'm usually the oldest in my social circle. I was talking to a neighbor with 2 young kids last night at a pool party last night who told me he was 32 and was born the year I graduated high school. So, age comes down to vantage point. It's interesting that you mentioned the Who. They are my other favorite group. For me, it's been The Band and The Who as the twin pillars of rock groups since I was 13 or 14. Besides, both groups covering 'Don't do it', they are quite different. The Who were so much about adolescent angst. "My Generation', 'Pictures of Lilly' and their magnum opus 'Quadrophenia'. The Band's music was always about adults, so for Levon and Rick to perform the OQ material in their 50's with a bit less energy and works fine for me. Both, the Band and the Who are really comfort food for me. I can put on a CD of either group and just realax from whatever else is going on.

Brown eyed girl, thanks for the kind words. I'm glad that you're feeling better. I get that everyone has different tastes here regarding the OQ and the reformed Band, it's all fine.

Rod, Which version of 'High on the Hog' do you have? The re-issue has a couple of bonus tracks, 'Young blood' from the Doc Pomus trubute and 'Chain gang' from Rick's 'Times like these' which makes for a much better listening experience, but I really think that 'Jubliation' was by far the best of their 90's albums. It's really unfortunate that they didn't get to tour behind it.

Lisa, that Letterman clips was great. The show that Levon missed was hilarious. And the show that he appeared on the following week was good, too, but the clip with the segment producer sitting in with Letterman was really inspired.


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Peter V

I loved the Robbie & Sebastian link … especially the promise to buy him a Les Paul if he switched from drums to guitar. Might be a sub text there. Funny that it's a Gibson film, as I always think of Fender or Martin first with Robbie.


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...and the only other Devo song I remember during New Wave days.


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"1973–1978: Formation. The name Devo comes from the concept of 'de-evolution' and the band's related idea that instead of continuing to evolve, mankind has actually begun to regress, as evidenced by the dysfunction and herd mentality of American society."

For Sebastian Robertson and his son Donovan.


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brown eyed girl

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Paul Simon - Father And Daughter (Official Video)


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

NorthWestCoaster, was thinking about that article recently. A fascinating artifact of the feud. The deep passion for music shines through even as I see a somewhat darker shading to the hoax today.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

FIRST TIME HEARING CAT STEVENS FATHER AND SON REACTION

Cat Stevens was the last musician I stood in line to get tickets....Awwww.....Tickets ran out! :-(


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY HEALTHY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL THE BOYZZZ!
:-D

"As the lead songwriter and guitarist of The Band, Robbie Robertson has held a musical career spanning over 50 years.

To celebrate this years (well, last year's) Father’s Day, Robbie Robertson and his son Sebastian sat down with Gibson to talk about their favorite guitars, a love of Devo??? and long lasting musical memories."


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Dr. John

Dr. John & Rick were both on the Bobby Charles record in 1972. Both Dr. John & Robbie played on Mockingbird by Carly Simon & James Taylor in 1973.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Dr John by Peter V

The best article on DR John can be found on this web site (where else, shame on you!). Go to * articles/the_road_from_turkey_scratch.html *


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Hi Ben, I enjoy your posts. There are great versions of certain songs in the three reformed Band albums, but some uninspiring stuff. Read Greil Marcus on Amazon (River of Dreams). There is no doubt that the guys could play. Why did nobody stand up to them and say ‘Do you really want to record this?’. The answer is that nobody around them had the balls to stand up to them and say ‘Let’s think about this again.Lets work a little harder, guys.’ Surely this is the case.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Rod, and then there is Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show which is rather Bandish.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Mike Nomad. Keep posting, Mate. Hope you are enjoying your move.

The thing that I find most amazing about Dr John is that he once played Blairgowrie. Amazing. When I saw him, it was just him and a piano In Glasgow, two thousand in the hall, and a really good concert. But he never played ‘Such a Night’.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks, Wallsend. The sensible thing to do would be to sue if there were issues about songwriting credits. But I’m not an expert on the issue.

Many years ago, I went to an Americana festival in Perth (Scotland), the highlight being a tribute concert on the Saturday evening to Hank Williams. One of the musicians playing was Sid Griffin, who gave a talk on Million Dollar Bash - the Basement Tapes in the afternoon. It was really good with he and ex Lindisfarne man Rod Clements playing parts of songs. I enjoy the book.

At the end there was a question and answer session and I asked the question ‘Who wrote the Band songs?’ You could hear a silence in the room, he sighed, hum hawed, made a comment along the lines of ‘I’ve got to work with these guys again’. But then he answered along the lines of that in every band, there is someone who makes things happen and that some band members are little help at all because of various reasons. He said it was up to himself to make things happen in his band, The Coal Porters, and listed their problems. it was Mick in the Stones...and in the Band it had been down to Robbie Robertson to make things happen. The answer went on for quite a while and he was glad to get to the next question.


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Posted by:

Rod

Often wondered about that Peter. I think he pops up once or twice over the years.But no firm musicial link in terms of collaborations . His song was a highlight but may be he had no more right to be there than Neil Diamond...or Joni Mitchell. Getting back to ND. Cracklin Rosie and Ophelia don't seem world apart to me.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dr John

Reading about Dr John. What was his connection that got him a place at TLW? He had just played on Beautiful Noise with Robbie and Neil Diamond, but during Levon’s lost two years, part was hanging out in LA where Dr John was doing session work in 1966 and 1967. I wondered if the connection went back that far?


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Posted by:

Peter V

I thought Small Town Talk a bit dull and it had a lot on non- musical connections that didn’t interest me.


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Posted by:

Rod

Thought the same thing about Small Town Talk. A good book, well written but doesn't paint a rosy picture of Woodstock (or the various musicians).


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, Small Town Talk is worth reading but it is all rather depressing. Maybe borrow it from the library.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I may have posted this already but can't remember: Eric Andersen has released a 3CD set called Woodstock Under the Stars, a compilation of live performances spanning 1991 to 2011. Looks like a lot of great stuff. There are two live DFA tracks from 1991 which presumably feature Rick, and Garth Hudson is also listed as a guest artist on the set though it's not clear which tracks he appears on.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Subject: For everybody, but Ben and Rod in particular

I was searching around for that quote too, and found this. Probably lots of you remember David Letterman. This is from 1983, when Levon was a no-show after being booked on The Late Show, leaving Letterman and his segment manager to fill a long gap. His actual appearance and interview starts at 12:10, and at 21.05 he does an extended Rag Mama Rag with Letterman's band (with young Paul Schaffer and Will Lee). The rest has been edited to his performances during the rest of the show with the band - Levon, 1983!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Dunc, it is interesting that after thirty years of the 'feud' and all that has been written (and all the accompanying acrimony) no one has come up with even one piece of evidence that the songwriting credits weren't as they appeared on the album covers.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Dr John

Dr John is on Toppermost. Do comment over there. My comment is kinda critical:

Dave, this has the best essay on GRIS GRIS I have read. Then you list SUCH A NIGHT from In The Right Place, and show the YouTube from The Last Waltz. I’d go for the live version, even if I wish he had done I Walk On Guilded Splinters on that night instead. And spelled it GILDED as Cher does. You say “I stopped pretty early on” but consistently you do stop early on in these essays, brilliant as they are on the early days, as if these guys who put in another 30 or 40 years recording never did anything significant again. He did TWENTY albums after 1978. Have you listened to any? I’m by no means a Dr John completist, but even so I have six excellent CDs from post 1998. I’m particularly fond of the duets album ‘N’Awlinz: Dis, Dat or D’Udda’ from 2004 which features so many NOLA artistes. How about Lay My Burden Down with Mavis Staples or I Ate Up The Apple Tree with Randy Newman? Anutha Zone is a powerful album and has him working with younger artists … Ki Ya Gris Gris sounds like a late Robbie Robertson track. Try Sweet Home New Orleans. With Creole Moon, I’d suggest the long jazzy title track or the funky Monkey & The Baboon. Add Duke Elegant the Duke Ellington album. The Locked Down album, produced by Dan Auerbach of The Black Keys not only has a currently interesting title and title track, but also sets Mac in some spacey settings. Then the benefit album, Sippiana Herricane has the Hurricane Suite and also Clean Water (by Bobby Charles). I haven’t got Skat-Dat-De-Dat, his last album which is a Louis Armstrong collection, but I heard good things about it.

Best to comment under mine if you agree that these guys do significant late career albums … as both Levon and Robbie did.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Smoky Robinson & Linda Ronstadt

I think one of the best performances you could ever watch. I hadn't seen this before.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Well-written post, Dunc. I for one am glad that you’re here.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

BEG, that interview with Levon was on NPR.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I've only told that Santana bad gig story five or six times here. More elsewhere, obviously.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: The Guestbook

Hi Kevin, I came upon Jan’s website many years ago and found the information on it was great.

The guestbook, at that time could be very informative and stimulating too. What was unusual about the guestbook was that the writing, both by boys and girls, was of a good standard. I have learned a lot about many types of music on this guestbook. I liked when Norbert (Thanks, Norbert) ran the guestbook and posts could make me laugh.

The guestbook could get nasty back in the day and it closed down. For many years, the guestbook favoured Levon Helm and nasty things were said about Robbie Robertson, who I see as a hugely talented individual. The split on the guestbook was between people who attacked Robbie Robertson and those who just wanted fairness, not a Levon Helm/Robbie Robertson split. Jan being Levon’s friend did not help with the fairness, and I did not like when he referred to Robbie as Robertson.

However, there is not much you can do if somebody says something horrible in a post. I don’t understand how somebody can get very angry while sitting at a keyboard. I come from what the Americans would call the projects and am never frightened in case you have a wrong idea of me, but have tried to be courteous to everybody. I thought the GB was going to die a couple of years ago and made an effort to post frequently to keep it going. Some of the posts were banal, but with a few others the GB kept going.

Another negative thing about the GB was a type of rock snobbery, let’s call it Band snobbery, where certain ‘experts’ thought they knew it all and kept others out of conversations.

And a nice fault of the guestbook is that we are fans with typewriters, so sometimes we could have been more critical of releases by Band members, and I have bought a lot of Band related material...maybe too much.

But I have had a lot of pleasure from this guestbook, and have spent a month of my life in Ontario and three days on Band matters.

So never get upset, Kevin with negativity, just keep posting, because I enjoy your posts, Mate.


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Posted by:

Rod

That's one hella of a quote BEG. Was that from Libby Titus?

Ben, yes I felt the 90's Band showed some promise. Jericho was good and I liked the first half of HoTH. Free Your Mind and a few others hinted at a new direction (a bit like The Well) but then it seemed to drop off pretty quickly.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Damn!!!

Now youze guys have gone and upset Pat.......


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

KEVIN J! Ha, Ha, Ha! I will be a sport and present you with one of your all-time faves. Sheesh! European men tend to dig brunettes more, don't they? And you have family in Europe as I do! Oh Well, even Virgil has a thing for the ultimate bottled blonde....no not this one but the huge movie star. And Kevin!! Of course you needed to catch some fire to listen to KISS!! I would have needed hashish for sure. ;-D

Now you're reminding me of the times Rollie and I would discuss over hotmail's headphones....back in the day about our trips if you get my drift. I only had two but I do remember everything. Rollie was something else! He only ticked me off once and quickly apologized. Remember all his conspiracy theories? I really miss him. We're only about two years apart. He told me to tell Garth hello from his Clan......

Now for that weird smell...Now when I smell it in my hood I cannot believe it didn't bug me before. I never did anything illegal while in High School. We knew who did weed, who did acid, who liked to drink too much....Ok I did drink but the next day....Yiiiikes! It was never my thing but sure I experimented with Zambucca's all night while we heard Japanese Reggae. Perfect combo, right? Ha, ha.....Another time I was drinking Blueberry Tea all night long. Noooo....This tea has Ameretto....There's those almonds again. I do have a thing for them....They bring me back to my family's country where I used a hammer to crack them open as no nut cracker available....and the orange liqueur. Woooow! Next day worst hangover ever! At the Heat Wave Concert we mixed gin into our fave juice and nobody smelled anything different. So yeah, I know about alcohol. Now the beer you like to drink.....nope I only drank it when I was a poor student but never liked it. If....If.....I was desperate it would be either a Belgian beer or the Mexican one and you add your lime.....I wonder if Nitrous Oxide is killing my brain cells.....I'm forgetting little things these days. My ND says Noooooo......Stop eating anything with gluten.....I know....I know and therefore I eat at least Spelt bread which has less gluten.....I'm trying.....

Nooo it was the year before I saw Santana at Maple Leaf Gardens....now it's probably the Store where I became infected.....Noooo, it was the year Dylan came out with the great Blood On The Tracks! I was by the Grand River.....maybe I came home for a month and then said I cannot stay here so I went back to the big city.....In our town the one Record Store.....one.....rented a bus and off we went to see The Rolling Stones at an outdoor show in Buffalo, NY. Kevin!! The entire bus was smoking!! A cutie approached me and asked if I wanted to light up......Well.....It's probably two decades or more that I haven't.....I cannot believe that my PHD cousin told me that he had some smoke before he gave his dissertation....and it was in his second language! It's always fun sharing with you Kevin. And I miss Julie too......We almost met up in Simcoe.....She would have met Virgil.......LOL.

Good night everyone. Huge day tomorrow in Oklahoma!!!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ahh...the 1970’s BEG ! I started going to shows at a young age.....didn’t even know what the smell was in the air...and what it was they were passing along seat by seat after the lights went down ! But Carlos Santana in that all white suit and short hair and sounding so perfect is a memory I will never forget. ( quick don’t let Peter V repeat his Santana bad gig story ).....later that year in the basement at a house party and someone playing the Kiss Alive album, I smoked my first joint ! Both were firsts - one was better than the other........another “first” was still a little bit away.......Rod Stewart was playing that night !


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Levon Helm was in the right place at the right time. Campbell won three Grammys for producing Levon Helm’s final three CDs.
Levon Helm was in a relationship with Cathy Smith (1963 - 1964).

They had a daughter, the singer Amy Helm (born December 3, 1970). On Sunday night, Larry Campbell, the singer-guitarist who co-founded the Midnight Ramble Band with Amy Helm and her dad, takes the stage at Sweetwater Music Hall in Mill Valley, performing as a duo with his wife, singer-guitarist Teresa Williams. At the end of the post is a sentence that contains the first on-the-record discussion of why Robertson didn’t participate in The Grammys’ tribute to Levon, “As angry as I was that Levon’s wife kept Robbie Robertson off the stage (it’s a long and sad story of paranoia), Zac, Mavis, T Bone and the Mumfords did a wonderful version of ‘The Weight’, which was a fitting end to a great night of Americana.” Drummer Levon Helm dies of cancer aged 71 – a life in pictures Levon Helm, the revered multi-instrumentalist and singer for the group the Band, died on Thursday after a … He saw the birth of rock and roll and, though he was too much of a gentleman to say it, his role in helping to keep that rebellious child healthy was more than just instrumental. "

Dag! I am so appreciative that you took the time to find some info re Levon for me. The interview I am referring to is not in an article. It is actually Levon himself saying that he was cool with Robbie in 1993 and that every book has a hook....I forget the actual word he used. He says Robbie's doing well, the Reformed Band are doing well.....Once I post something I don't keep the link. I cannot even remember who was interviewing him. I've posted it once or twice and no reaction from anyone. I thought it was the most telling....I posted another interview from 1993 awhile ago but that's not the one either. Geeee....You'd think I'd keep at least one interview.....Nope.

Ben...I'm with Pat B...The Band were The Band and that's that! Sure different combos were fine at times but after their cover of "Atlantic City".......I was very disappointed. I had such high, high, high hopes. Yes I really did Ben. Just like you don't really dig Robbie's solo work, right? I do, I do, I do! It's all good Ben. I'm a real fan of yours here in this GB. You post away but you do it respectively without pushing people's buttons on purpose. Much respect. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Norm. I sent email to say hello and to pass on email address to haso. Let me know if it doesn't work as others recently said one of my email addresses didn't work. I only walked 4 km today to start building up my endurance and fitness, but it was hot, hot, hot!!! I ended up at former Brunswick House where I spotted a painting of Neil Young.

Many heartfelt thanks again to you and so many of my brothers here in the GB and one sister....Lisa who really wanted to be my editor for my book about The Band GB. I want to put together a book on my Cuban photos from four trips with no writing. Anyway, Lisa had a great idea for the cover photo or back cover photo of The Band GB book...Check link! Lisa is absolutely brilliant!!!

Pat B...Thanks for your concern. I was very fortunate that my symptoms were really about my food sensitivities....I fell off the wagon since the Pandemic hit....or else I was asymptomatic 'cause if that grocery store where I was lined up in front of someone chugging on beer did not email me I would not have been tested. So everyone I am concerned that I may have infected someone unwillingly. Virgil's immune system is better than mine I guess as he was not infected! In praise of older men!

Kevin!!! I finally figured you out!!! You saw Santana in Montreal the exact same year that I saw them In Toronto!!! And our fave songs were the same...Europa and Samba Pa Ti....and....Uhhh....I will always be ahead of you by six years if you get my drift. ;-D

NUX...Yes send the links. I think you have my email. If not let me know if you connect with anyone here or I'll post addie here. My Capetown friend who sold house there and has home in our Beach area would most likely be interested as well. She has quite the background NUX...She was born in Ecuador and parents soon after divorced and they returned to England....no toilet! and then at the age of nine moved to Fishhoek, SA without her father. She assists the most vulnerable in Toronto with housing so she's just like her Ma.....always working to help others and work for social change. :-D


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Carly Simon & The Hawks

A brief clip of the 1966 recording of "Baby Let You Follow Down" from a 2005 BBC radio broadcast.


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Posted by:

Pat B

John L, naw, I'm not going to go into the flammy double drumming, the absence of Richard's voice, the comparative songlists, the relative energy, the commitment to performance, or the mix. I just won't.

In Ben's defense, the final sextet was a reasonable facsimile, and it was certainly better than nothing--especially if you weren't around up to 1976. And believe me, the performance level in 1976 did not match 1969 by a fair amount. I go through the same thing with younger Who fans.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Pat, had a feeling that last comment of Ben's would smoke you out. ;)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Very nicely done, Nux ! And to your partner for managing to get all those song titles into the lyric. Thank you. There is always some light to be found in darkness.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, you are a young man given to flights of fancy.


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Posted by:

NUX

Subject: GENERAL

BROWN EYED GIRL:Howzit ekse!Ha ha ha you "Nut",thanks for the link and interesting back story.Hope you are well in these weird times.It has been really tough for me,I've gone from walking the Red Carpet and gathering awards to being retrenched.I still get work from Nat Geo and Smithsonian but only on contract.Feel so sorry for my kiddies and don't want them to notice my fear and uncertainty.Let me not moan to much here on the guestbook...you catch my drift lol.

Ja,I am on the guestbook all the time but have not been posting.I have been involved in quite a few South African music doccies and would love for you to see them.One is about the life of James Phillips and is very moving.You must tell me if you are keen to have a look,then I will send you the link.

Take care Band people,I wish I could meet you all!!!


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Posted by:

NUX

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Manuel Song

Hi there Band folk.A dear friend of mine(Errol Fellows) wrote these lyrics and e-mailed them to me.I sat down at the piano and played this,most of it is the original first take vocal and piano.Then added some overdubs.A little dark but a sincere tribute nonetheless.Hope everyone is coping with this new lifestyle and bizarre times.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Just dusted off my copy of Paul Butterfield's 1975 album, "Put it in Your Ear". Levon is among four drummers credited, and Garth is among three keyboardists - the others being producer Henry Glover and Richard Bell.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Uhhh NUX...I am the only nut....Pistachio, Cashew, Tamari (not gluten free!) Almond....Your choice! My only excuse is that I don't drink coffee....If I did it would be a cappuccino. Italians only drink this in the morning!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Nut...Howzit? So good to see you here! I cannot believe that it was in 2004/2005 that you spoke to someone ...maybe one of two daughters who were living there for a year in Fishhook, South Africa while I was out with my friend. It was the year my Ma passed and I cannot tell you what a refuge being with my friend and her family was at that time. I had to lose one day's pay and benefits in order to fly back one day late but my Principal said goooooo! So I did as it was once in a lifetime experience and with a South African. She is the one who came with me to see from Malawian musician Tony Bird at the Hotel Isabella in Toronto!!!!! Her Ma is something else. She volunteered in the Prison system. I really wanted to visit the prison where Nelson Mandela......At the time she couldn't wrap her head around that....but when the next visitors arrived from Toronto they did make the trip.....

One of the highlights was visiting Table Mountain!!!!!!! Can you believe that the late Jerry T from the GB was there at the same time? I hadn't met him yet so.....My friend actually lived in SA from 9 years old-University of Toronto where we met in a Sociology class as well as the friend who knew musician Pentii Glan from Louuuu Reed's band. The same year I met Mr. Maximus's partner in another Sociology course. It was in 1983 fourth year....probably one of the best years in school. And Nux....The year I was in SA for two weeks; I saw that Juluka was in town. We were about 45 minutes away in the suburb of Fishhoek. Jerry T's partner is a South African from Fishhook as well...small world, eh?....I met my partner Virgil the same year but he had already made plans to explore Guatemala. I convinced him to visit there rather than Mexico. He has a Guatemalan friend whose family set him up when he arrived....Virgil absolutely loved his stay in Central America.

Linked Tony Bird...Sorry Africa....1990.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Rod, I agree with your comment regarding the feud. I'm always trying to get a better understanding of the events that happened after the last waltz. Information on this period is sketchy. It certainly doesn't look like the new book is going to be much help.

Of the books published so far, I think that the Hoskyn's book is was the most balanced. I have the original hardcover which covers the post last waltz period in only a few pages. There is an interesting comment from an unnamed source who said that when Levon needed money badly enough he would bury the hatch and reunite with Robbie. I have a revised paperback edition which has a few short extra sections covering Rick's death and an interview with Levon. I haven't read Hoskyn's book on Woodstock 'Small town talk'. Has anyone read it. Does it have good material on the Band not in the first book?

Also, regarding the reformed Band, I think it might be helpful to break the reformed Band into two entities. The 80's reformed Band was a touring act with many different permutations. The 90's version was a completely different beast. The 6 man lineup (Danko, Helm, Hudson, Weider, Ciarlante, Bell) became stable I believe sometime in 91. They recorded 3 albums, toured behind 2 of them, which enabled them to to integrate new material into their performances. They really became a hell of a live act. I know that I'm biased, because thus is the only version that I saw perform. But, I've listened to live shows from each period and really believe that the 90's Band on a good day between 93 and 96 playing a mix of new material as well as the favorites were leagues beyond the misshappen period with the Cates. I really feel that on their best day, they rivalled the OQ as a live act.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Chalk Garden

Review of the 1964 film THE CHALK GARDEN. Starring Hayley Mills, Deborah Kerr, Edith Evans, John Mills, Felix Aymler, Elizabeth Sellars. This was a film version of the popular stage play from 8 years earlier which was described as the last and best of the drawing room comedy-thriller genre. The film loses most of the comedy. The stage play has been revived and as well as an overview of the film, there is a comparison between stage play (at Chichester in 2018) and the film, and on acting styles in general.


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Posted by:

NUX

Location: Durban,South Africa

Subject: Richard Manuel

Just a general question:Did the Richard Manuel movie/documentary ever get made?I am thinking of getting someone to tackle this much needed task.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: I can see that happening - brilliant record, unlike the Cupons. Still, Dewey sounds more English.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Midsummer music

This is about my memories on Midsummer music. It was important to me because Midsummer is a dionysian bacchanalia here in Nordic Countries. In Finland they'll be totally mad!

In early years we spent Midsummer in our cottage without running water or electricity by a lake near Russian border. There was a dancing hall across the lake, 7-8 kilometers. You could only here the _bass line_ over the water. Dancing hall was the scenery of sin: alcohol, knives, whores.

*******************

Well, that was it! Some say that the only important in your life happened before your sixth birthday.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, for some reason I flashed on The Tremeloes "Silence Is Golden" when I listened to your newly posted version of The White Cliffs of Dover.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Wallsend, I already did and it's way too much work.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Pat, sounds like you should be writing a book.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: White Cliffs of Dover

Here's a Beatles-era cover of the Vera Lynn (RIP) classic, "White Cliffs Of Dover", done by a Seattle band with a Canadian singer, Sir Walter and the Cupons. Sir Walter, who also recorded as Sir Walter Raleigh, is better known to most of us as Dewey Martin, Buffalo Springfield's drummer. The group's lead guitarist was Sneaky Pete Kleinow, who like Dewey spent time with the Dillards in LA before becoming hitting it 'big'.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, nothing enigmatic about Richard at all. I can tell you he was very open about the whole songwriting thing, as he was very open about a lot of stuff. He said he stopped being able to get the music he heard in his head out through his hands. Sad ain't the word.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

It is hard to reconcile the views Levon expressed in the article Dag B just quoted with the bitterness he showed later on.

Ben, I checked out that cd you mentioned a few posts back, it sounds good.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Lost and lonely and blue.....and dumb

Evangalina. Seems you told Haso to get your e from me. When we moved a year ago we had to hook up to a new server. I wasn't smart enough to save all my contacts. I'm kinda old and dumb you see. I lost you baby!

If you want to do it this way, e mail me and I'll pass it on. Here's the secret code. Bere in mind......this is........ tsolum triple6 in digits at gee maildotcom.


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Posted by:

Rod

The quote from Levon's lawyer is interesting. Seems to me they had some bad management over the years. That seemed to change for Levon with the Rambles and Dirt albums

I find the fued discussions interesting. We know most of the facts about all else Band related but there's still alot of mystery about this - and that period from 78 to 83. I think Rick and Robbie were still talking about a Band album as late as 1980.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Norm, I think you're really onto something when you describe your son's reaction to reading Levon's book. There is a real undercurrent of sadness and wasted opportunities in the story of the Band. I recall in 'Ain't in it for my health', when Billy Bob Thornton asks Levon a question about 'Stage Fright' and Levon responded something to the effect that the Band was really finished after the brown album. That really struck me as I feel that 'Stage Fright', while a step down frown brown, is still a very fine album. Don't get me started on 'Cahoots'. I am still in awe of what a mess and dissapointment that album is.

Wallsend, I think the reformed Band made some very fine music. It didn't really find an audience, but I think there 90's albums have many exceptional performances, particularly 'Jubliation'.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Si, I could be wrong but I thought it was Sebastion that said Levon called Robbie when his mother died.

Norm, yes, you have done well keeping quiet. I understand people not being interested in any of this stuff. It doesn't get me down because I don't take it that seriously.

I think the reformed Band could have done great things. It is a pity Levon did not come up with the idea of the Midnight Ramble much earlier. A guy I greatly respect is Stefan Grossman. I don't know how much money he made playing or running his music business but he has done so much to preserve traditional music. It is a pity our guys could not abandon the rock and roll lifestyle, live modestly and keep playing great music.


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Posted by:

Si

To briefly expand upon something Ben was pondering a few days ago, namely what might have been the last contact Robbie had with Levon before the hospital visit. I do recall reading here a comment from somebody passing through or perhaps one of the regulars reporting something they had read elsewhere. It was to say that when Robbie's mum died Levon picked up the phone and rang Robbie and (I could be misremembering or embellishing here) they spent a fair while talking about all the things she did for them back in the day. Does anybody else remember such a post?

I'd like to think Levon reached out to Robbie and Robbie wanted to reciprocate the only way he could at that late hour. To be honest though I've always felt this stuff is none of my business but it does irk me a little that Robbie's motives for the visit get questioned even now (and I know that's not what Ben was saying, quite the opposite, I'm thinking more of journalists/bloggers/YT comments etc). That just doesn't seem right and besides, how would anyone know?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: At the round table

Wallsend! you should be proud of me. I haven't said a word. By the way, I never watched the Simpsons but the other day on youtube I got to see the Captain. I can sound like that if you want me to. :-)

I'm in the same camp as Ray and Johnathan. I just don't see any point to this so called "fued" discussion. However the input of Kevin, Pat, BEG and a few others who take the time for some reflection on personal knowledge and honest opinion on information that is available, along with Dag have become some interesting reading. In everyone's (without exception) posts on this subject there is an underlying sadness always there. You can feel it. The good part is there has been no posts here with the bitterness and animosity and hate and insults. Good on all-of-yuz.

Some times it seems that people who are die hard fans and collectors just can't help but "have to have it." Then reading things that are untrue, hurtful and sad makes it seem that it just becomes a downer and leaves people with an empty unhappy feeling. I'll never forget my son Craig when he was at my place for Christmas with his family years ago. He sat down by the fire in the family room and read Levon's book. I happened to come in the room just as he was done. Craig is a real emotional guy. He threw the book across the room and kinda with tears in his eyes said. "I wish I never read it."


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Interview

BEG, is this the interview?

Helm is critical of both Robertson and director Scorcese in his autobiography (cowritten with Stephen Davis), although he admits his venom was embellished by the publishing house to sell copies. "I've got a lot more respect for Martin Scorcese than it would appear in this book," Helm admits in his slow, good ol' boy Southern drawl. And of his former partner Robertson, Helm doesn't believe any animosity still exists. "All that happened a long time ago," he says. "You've got to remember, too, that not every page of this book was written by yours truly. The animosity thing is certainly played up by the fellows at the book company, but it's not true. Robbie has never wanted to come back into The Band, and we've never wanted to try and talk him into coming back."

Link: Orange Coast Magazine, March 1994


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Wallsend….I would agree on that and also with your thoughts in the past about how sad it is others in the Levon orbit have been incapable of heeding the Libby Titus-Fagen sentiments. Not all but there are so few like John D or Amy or Larry Campbell or John Simon who had remained close with Levon but have also been able to honour that friendship with grace and positive reflections without feeling the need to viciously attack Robbie.

Thank you, Dunc. Ray Mizumura is on to something about how an ugliness of sprit projected from or on behalf of someone else can affect feelings. Sometimes I find the whole mess so disconcerting that it influences my time here or being away from here. It shouldn’t as I know that reflects some immaturity on my part but I just hate to see lies being spread about a band that has meant so much to me in my life.


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Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, you have earned the right to post (or not post) anything you want. Hope you're doing well.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks, Kevin. Excellent review. I’ll not be buying it.

I thought Testimony was a very interesting book.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

From Levon Helm’s own lawyer Michael Pinsky explaining the principle reasons behind Levon’s financial distress in the 1990’s - to be found in BEG’s link below:

”In the fire, Levon and Sandy lost almost all of their possessions, along with many of Levon’s contracts and financial records. The insurance proceeds for the rebuilding of their home and Levon’s studio were $100,000 short of what was needed. They went into debt, and remortgaged their home. Conflicts over finances with management and professionals for the reunited Band eventually boiled over into litigation. Multiple lawsuits were filed against Levon, Sandy, Rick and Garth, leading to a default judgment eventually vacated as improper. In the meantime, Levon’s royalty checks, then his primary source of income, were seized to satisfy that judgment and have never been returned.”

Notice the key points being “conflicts with management and professionals for the REUNITED band..... and....royalty cheques seized to satisfy that judgement !


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For the record...I am done thinking or posting about the new bio. For others who want to engage that's cool. We need to hear different voices. For the long time posters who want to continue with the FFFF....that's cool too. I don't appreciate when someone tries to silence my voice so why would I do the same? I read everyone's posts as we all have something to offer. Just because no one responds to your posts; it doesn't necessarily mean that you didn't have an effect on them whether it be you made them reflect on something or you made them laugh or you made them get upset or maybe you just exposed them to some new music or you reminded them of yeah....That song was so great it brought me to the time......Especially now when we've been self-isoing.....For now all I have is my memories and yet time waits for no one.

I only enjoyed reading Hosky's book. I was in NYC with my Scottish housemate and his boyfriend. They had friends in NYC so sometimes we all hung out together and sometimes I went exploring on my own as the friend who let us stay in her apartment in the West Village was in Joisey for the week. I hadn't met Crabgrass yet....and his friend yet....She works for a Music Company. I took her to one of Garland Jeffreys' shows at the Bottom Line? Sheesh....I cannot remember.....Yiiiikes! and I no longer kept in touch with South American guy's family in the Bronx. Every night I would read Hoskyn's book. Both guys couldn't care less about The Band. Yes I want to read about their lives off stage. As Robbie said, it wasn't always about being on stage. They are just people like the rest of us with warts and sunshine....

I was so disappointed with Craig Harris's book...Even Levon's book with Davis... The book was lent to me by a colleague's partner. He ended up coming with me to the Silver Dollar to see The Barnburners. I was in the Nurses' Office at school and he overheard me talking to someone about The Band. He's a huge Levon fan. His partner wasn't interested in going to see Levon so he asked if he could join me. That's my life. I just start talking about The Band.....and things happen. Even when my brother wears The Band T-Shirt....which I gave him; someone always comes up to him on the street to chat about The Band. Ha, ha, ha....He doesn't even like The Band. He likes Dylan's painting on the T. It was too large for me so that's the only reason I gave it away. Virgil did wear it to Rick's Tribute in Simcoe but he doesn't like T's with drawings on it so next in line was my brother. Come to think of it now....I could have kept it as a night shirt. I guess I was in one of my moods....lol. I did find recently a store right around the corner from where Robbie lived by the Riverdale Library as he lived in Riverdale not Cabbagetown....linked article mentions Cabbagetown again.....Robbie....Robbie.... This shop will make T-shirts based on LP covers so I guess I will get another one made.

I finally bought the second edition of Levon's book as I was a completist at the time only because it was 5.00 at Trinity College's Book Sale at UofT. So I may post articles but I will no longer engage by sharing my opinions as I've posted many times about the FFFF. I think we can agree that life has never been fair for any of us. I will say for the last time, ha, ha....Levon was still cool with Robbie in 1993. I wish I had kept the interview where you see him saying that he was cool with Robbie and that Levon's book....well....There has to be a hook for selling books and it was the FFFF. Also, it doesn't have to be a tragedy when friendships end, does it? Sometimes values change, life circumstances change, sometimes things were said or done that you can one day forgive but never forget....Not everyone in our lives our meant to be with us along our journey forever. Be thankful for the time you shared together and as Robbie says..."When you find what's worth keeping, with a breath of kindness blow the rest away."

Out of the basement
Former Helm mate Robertson gives his Testimony
Philip Martin
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
January 15, 2017

"In any case, Robertson grew rich off The Band's publishing royalties. He was free to pursue a career writing movie music or whatever he wanted. The rest of The Band had to work for a living. They had to tour, they had to record.

But the truth is, though they had some moments, The Band really wasn't The Band without Robertson either.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

A statement from Michael Pinsky, attorney for Levon Helm
Blogs.poughkeepsiejournal.com site
John Barry October 28, 2007


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Hard-Won Lessons of Levon Helm's Life in the Record Business
Allen St. John
Forbes
Apr 19, 2012

"By sharing his hardships so publicly, Helm seemed to be sending a message to aspiring artists: make great music, but make sure you cover your a$$, and get a fair shake in the end."

Awwww Kevin..... :-D


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

The one positive effect of this book is the discussion going on here. Lots of interesting points being made.

Pat, that must have been amazing to spend a day with Richard. I have a real clear picture of Robbie, Levon and Rick, but Richard and Garth are enigmas in many ways. Your comment about the Rick and Richard duo show being their best lost TLW show rings true. Their's a UK 2 disc set called 'Live at the Horesman Saloon 22.3.85' that I recently got from Amazon that really is fine. The Stripped down versions of Band classics is much better than the bloated Band/Cates shows from 83 and 84. Richard's 'Live at the Getaway' featuring Rick and Jim Weider on a few cuts also fits the bill.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Subject: Albert Grossman

Maybe Albert had a similar agreement with The Band:

"When Grossman signed Janis Joplin and her four bandmates from Big Brother and the Holding Company in 1967, he told them he would not tolerate any intravenous drug use, and all five agreed to abide by the rule."

Wish there was a book on Grossman, preferably one written by someone without an agenda.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Levon seemed to have fallen into some bad business deals. Didn’t it say that all the Band had had some joint bad real estate investments in the 70s somewhere? Then the New Orleans restaurant was a disaster. The story is ancient, but if you give five people ten million dollars each (I’m updating from their era) and come back twenty years later, you will probably find a wide difference in wealth. It might be luck, it might be judgement.

I’m just re-reading Dion’s autobiography for a future Toppermost and he is candid on what heroin did to him and his career in the 60s.

Dion’s latest, Blues With Friends, is an album to buy. Paul Simon, Van Morrison, Bruce Springsteen, Patty Scialfa, John Hammond Jnr. The man has friends.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Kevin, that is probably the most important quote in the history of the 'feud' especially as it comes from someone who, as far as we know, did not have an axe to grind. Obviously it did not fit in with Tooze's narrative so is missing from her book.


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Posted by:

Kevin.J

Wisdom and class from Amy Helm’s mom Libby Titus Fagen on the Robbie and Levon tiff:

“The story of Robbie and Levon is much more complex than the bloggers and the press understand....I can tell you that for the years I was with Levon, from 1968 to 1974, they each shared a part of the other’s soul. One would start a sentence, pause, and the other would finish it. They had their own alphabet, their own clock, their own DNA, a Levon-Robbie double helix. When I called Robbie to say Levon was dying, he was stunned, shattered—he thought Levon had beaten the cancer. Robbie flew to New York to say goodbye. Amy, Donald and I were in the waiting room, and I don’t know what Robbie said to Levon for the long time he spent by his bedside. All I know is that there’s a side to this life-and-death song no one has heard. Levon wouldn’t want this bitterness to ramble on any longer.”


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Posted by:

Rod

Someone did say (one of the wives?) that the cause of the rift between Robbie and Levon was much sadder than anyone could imagine.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Lyness

Location: NYC

Ray, agree 100% re passing on the new book. As the man himself sang, take what you need, and leave the rest.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: I know I've read that Richard remained close to Albert too. Clearly most of the guys felt so comfortable in Wodstock that they returned there after TLS (The Last Surf). That says something aout something I'm sure.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Although Levon often complained about money, it seemed his bitterness was much more personal than that. I get the feeling that stuff happened that we just don't know about.


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Posted by:

Ray Mizumura

Location: Lawrence, Kansas/The Heartland/Flyover Country

Subject: The Band

Hello fellow Guestbookers.

I want to thank you for your interpretations, observations, and pure love for The Band.

This site is my reality check on the career and meaning of my favorite musicians.

One result of this is that I will pass on the new Levon Helm book, leaving myself open to criticism for not wanting to read it. What I've learned here is enough to confirm what I think is the right approach. Instead of spending time with this book, I will continue to listen to Levon Helm's music, mostly with but sometimes without The Band. I also enjoy his acting. The more controversial aspects of his post-Last Waltz career have never done me any good or added anything to my appreciation of him or The Band.

Again, thank you, friends.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Well, Garth and Rick were still cordial with the family after Albert's death. It would seem he still had some business relationship with them up to 1976. As Dylan proved, if The Band felt him onerous or deceitful, they could have successfully sued him.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Everybody's 20% would have been 20% of whatever was left after the publishing company's administrator had remove their fee. Two relevant questions would be: Who was the administrator?; and What was the fee? Likely not Robbie, it seems to me. Maybe not Albert Grossman either: the Ian and Sylvia biography has them expressing satisfaction with Grossman, noting that he hooked them up with a good accountant. Why and when did the Band drop Grossman anyway?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bonk

From a post in 2012 from the late great David P...."Music From Big Pink didn't receive gold certification (500,000 sales) until 2001, 33 years after its release."

The BAND album sold better but they were never anywhere near the biggest sellers of the day - Led Zeppelin likely sold more in a few months a than MFBP did in 35 years!


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Posted by:

Norm J

Subject: Oops!

I should have read more. I just saw he was born in Chicago, but.......yeah raised in Denver.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Bop Till You Drop

A mature rye.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, no, he's a Colorado guy.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Otis Taylor

Tell me Pat, have you ever played with Otis Taylor?.......sure like this groove.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

...and this one is for you BEG

Robbie posted about Rick on RD's birthday a few years ago....and yes - he wrote it all by himself:

"Smile, Soul, Fretless, Pool shark, Radiant, Restless, Infinite. Rick Danko."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

From an interview in the 90's - Offbeat magazine - with Levon about his main issues with Robbie.

Offbeat: The publishing is what your feud ultimately boils down to today ?

Levon Helm: Exactly. He and Albert get all the money, and the rest of us get all the leftovers, and he was supposed to be one of us, and was.

Notice no mention of songwriting as Levon had already made clear in other interviews that he was not a songwriter and was happy to just be a player.


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Kevin J

Thank you, BEG ! I understand that feeling of being "done" as I allow myself to be affected by this Band squabble more than I should. Just $9.99 for the book on Kindle. Other than 10-15 years ago or whenever it was that Kindle launched and I experimented with reading that way, this was the first time I have really read a book on-line. Not nearly as satisfying as holding a physical book and made worse by not being able to sleep after reading it....a combination of a couple of hours of computer light exposure and anger over how misleading and shoddy parts of the book were.

And thank you, Ben and Peter for your comments. Waiting for the book really is the better choice.

Ben....Levon was upset about all sorts of things and I don't doubt at all that management decisions with respect to certain investments that were made or not made are legitimate beefs. And anyone would be upset to be called into a meeting and told that the band was being "shut down" and later that the celebration of that shutdown - the "greatest rock music movie ever made" which had been hailed a masterpiece far and wide never made any money.....BUT one of the problems with the book is that no effort is made to investigate any of this.

While there may well also be legitimate issues with how the publishing money was accounted for, the author seems to have decided that the 'hook" needed to sell the book should rest on songwriting rather than the more complicated issue of publishing. She makes a faint attempt (one or two lines) to explain publishing but wrongfully concludes that it was up to the songwriter as to how and when publishing would be paid and wonders if Robbie's "benevolence" stopped in 1998 when Levon claims all payments ended. No discussion at all of Robbie buying back his publishing from Rick, Richard and Garth in 1976 as Levon has claimed and Robbie has confirmed or that Levon had maintained his 20% of Rick, Richard's and Robbie's publishing always.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rod: That's an interesting line - from the quote that Pat B shared, I believe - that you've highlighted. Did the Band ever perform as the Band with just four? Rick on guitar and Garth playing bass on his pedals? Levon playing guitar and Richard drumming?

I saw them Robbie-less with Richard; Jimmy Weider was there, but I don't remember if there was a second drummer. I suspect there was, as Levon always seemed to have a partner - his nephew Terry Cagle when I saw him with the Cates in maybe '79, and eventually Randy Ciarlante for the longest time. Something to do with too much hard drumming having damaged his hand(s), which must have hurt emotionally as well as physically.


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Rod

"The Band is five people and anything less than four is just a taste of what the Band is."


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Rod

Wallsend, I think it was one of the defining moments. Perhaps Robbie blamed Levon - he did once say that the reunited Band dropped back into their old ways and Richard died because of it. My other theory is that Richard perhaps knew that Robbie had signed up for his solo record and saw that as the death knell for The OQ. Levon may have been pissed by that as well if The Reformed Band's light was fading. All conjecture. Hopefully Robbie's next book will shed some light on this time.


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Wallsend

I wonder what impact Richard's death had on Robbie and Levon's relationship.


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Posted by:

Pat B

It's all right there. His voice, his thoughts.

Richard Manuel, March 1985: I want to press ahead. I'm tired of dwellling in the past. We're well established in the history books and I don't want to continue doing what we've been doing for the last year and a half because we've done it to the point where we're dragging ourselves down...unless we come up with a new product.

RM: Well, I sobered up and I pay a lot closer attention when I realize what we threw away. We didn't really throw it away, we benched it and in just this last year and a half I've seen millions of dollars go by...doors open, but we haven't taken advantage of it. That's why I'm irked to the point of just saying, 'Fellas, this is it, I'm going on with my own career.' So I've been planning how to catapult this whole thing with myself into a position where I can remain occupied all the time...and have some work at all times, because it's the down time that drives me crazy. I get nuts when I'm not working. When there's nothing to look forward to, when there's no work. Not that I won't play with The Band, anytime, I'm there a thousand percent, whenever, whatever the Band is, 'cause it's certainly not one person. The Band is five people and anything less than four is just a taste of what the Band is.


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Pat B

Lisa, I spent 12 hours with Richard that day. We hung out at my studio, then we drove around Chicago checking out all the places he played. We eventually ended up at the Cubby Bear playing pool until he did the show with Rick. I've described the many conversations I had with him elsewhere.

Rod, exactly.


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Rod

Robbies comment "it was beautiful and it all went up in flames" about sums it up for me. As has been mentioned here ....... booze, drugs,poor financial (and sometimes artistic) decisions ,they could have worked harder. Toured more. I thought for ages that Richard's death was due to the life style on the road but now I think he was just disillusioned with The Band and how things were working out.


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Lisa

I sure wish I could have heard that, Pat. Richard's always been my favorite singer, of just about anybody. It sounds like it was really special, lucky you.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: On the question songwriting royalties the 'loser' would have been Garth. He had "Genetic Method" and a mistaken (and coorected) co-credit for "Bacon Fat". Levon had a hit co-write in "Live Is A Carnivore" and "Strawberry Wine".

Ben: I can't imagine that John Simon would have been such a patsy as to do Big Brown when he hadn't even been paid for Big Pink. He was a studio veteran with a track record. Underpaid is another thing.


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Wallsend

Ben, according to Tooze, Levon squandered money on an industrial scale. It seems even if he had received money from writing credits he still would have ended up broke.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Pat B

Does anyone know how many albums the original lineup sold up till 1990?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Songwriters: Roger Frederick Cook / John E. Prine

You make me unlonely
I feel like the only
Person in the world
That ever had a boy like you

You make me feel wealthy
I almost look healthy
With you on my arm
Yeah together we could charm
This whole wide world


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pat B... :-D

Ben... :-D

Rick Danko, Richard Manuel And Me - Written and Read by Hank Beukema

Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and me,
All died of a broken heart.
They left me here to sing their song
And act out the rest of the part.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, yes, all five made equal amounts from album sales, concert revenue, etc. Jon Taplin uses their experience to highlight how Napster and file sharing destroyed recorded music revenue streams. He said all of them were making low six figures right into the 90's from sales, all of which ended with file sharing platforms. As far as hiring the Cates to cover for Richard, I don't buy it. Richard was in pretty good shape and performed well every time I saw him. His voice was no longer the instrument it once was and I heard some not so good stories. Still, my favorite performance of his post-LW shows was a duo show with Rick where they played a bunch of epic Band songs that had been axed in favor of Willie & The Hand Jive and assorted bar songs. Richard singing playing piano accompanied by Rick on acoustic while not trying to sing over two drummers, two guitars, and 3 keyboards was transcendent.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Rick mentioned massive royalty checks for This Wheel's On Fire, split with Dylan, from AbFab. Then look at the Byrds version, Julie Driscoll, and then all the later versions. As mentioned last week, BST3 generated a large sum for Lonesome Suzie for Richard. They all must have known where the foot of the rainbow was. Levon was the loser on this because he wasn't a writer.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, I'm no authority on recording contracts, but doesn't the performer get a separate royalty than the songwriter and producer? Isn't that an area where labels are able to use creative accounting to avoid paying the artist? Maybe that's an area where there was some malfeasance. Again, going back to John Simon. If he was never paid producer royalties for the first two albums until he agreed to work on TLW, I wonder what kind of unpaid performing royalties may have accumulated for the 5 guys.

Obviously songwriting was a major issue for the reformed Band. Levon was not a writer. Richard apparently did some writing with Terry Danko in the late 70's. I don't know how many songs or what the quality was. Rick had co-written a batch of songs for his solo album, I don't know if he had any in the can. I really wish that they would have hooked up with a younger writer, someone like Dave Alvin for material. But, as I wrote yesterday, they could have pretty easily recorded an album of covers so that they would have had an album to tour behind in 1983.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, I agree with most of your points. The Band played very little after 1971. They were completely inactive in 1972 and 1975, played 3 shows in 1973 and only toured in 1974 and 1976. So, for Robbie to talk about 8 years in the bars and 8 years in arenas in TLW is absurd. I also agree that Richard's issues were far more severe than Levon or Rick's. So, maybe the real reason that Levon brought the Cate Bros in for the reunion tour was to cover for Richard. Levon and Rick by most accounts enjoyed the road. And they played far more in the years after TLW.

Regarding contracts, well, Robbie obviously earned far more than the others as the primary songwriter. No argument there. He also would have earned the lions share of any cover versions. The biggest hit I believe was Joan Baez's atrocious version of 'Dixie'. He also earned a hefty paycheck for producing Neil Diamond's 'Beautiful Noise'and 'Love at the Greek'. By contrast, Levon produced 'The Muddy Waters Woodstock album' in the same period. The entire budget of that album was a fraction of Robbie's producer fee.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Bill M

I agree-a counterintuitive reality!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, it bears repeating that the boys did very little living on the road in their career as The Band. In fact, I would argue that they never really toured at all. I believe the longest they went out was two weeks which really is nothing. I know you downplay RR's "dangers of the road" message, but it's pretty clear the Band's live performances from Watkins Glen on were deteriorating, many embarrassingly so. They could still conjure the magic if everything was right, but drugs and alcohol had changed that equation to a great degree. The shows in 1976 bore this out: Richard's incapacity and physical problems (which had begun in earnest in 1975) made each performance a crap shoot. To boost the show, they hired a horn section halfway through the "tour". They weren't selling tickets, their latest album which was lavishly received by the critics suffered poor sales and label indifference. Hell, their real last waltz was a opening slot for ZZ Top, a band that was absolutely kicking ass with album sales, electrifying live performances, elaborate staging, and a real, 98 show, 5 leg, 18 month tour. RR saw the writing on the wall.

I think RR's vision was born out. The post-LW version played Chicago at the end of 1983 and sold about 3500 tickets. They never did that business again, playing 800-1000 capacity places like the Cubby Bear and the Park West, places I've played a lot and did similar business. They got some decent opening slots with the Dead and CSN, but releasing new music didn't result in an uptick in popularity. Jeez, they became regulars at the Lone Star in NY which is remarkable for a group that revolutionized music.

People definitely got fucked by bad contracts in the record industry. But if The Band got fucked, it means RR suffered the same fate as Levon and everyone else. Now if Levon is accusing RR of doing something behind his back in 1968--and Levon knew it at the time--a good lawyer would have settled that score quickly. If Levon knew at the time of TLW that songwriting was the key, why wasn't he the first to jump on the Warner Brothers offer? Why didn't he and the core 4 sit down and produce an album worthy of The Band in 1983 to tour behind with songwriting credits equally shared?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Thanks for the link to the Dion song. Beautiful, as is the one that came on next, "New York Is My Home". I was a bit surprised to hear that Dion hadn't heard of James Brown by '62. Anyway, here's Rick singing Sam.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jed: Here we are, all looking forward to (but pretending not to) reading a book that everybody we know and respect says is shite. I suggest that this is evidence of an 'addictive' gene, and that all of us here have it. Bigly sad.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Kevin J. Thank you very much for the notes and observations on the Tooze book. Mine is on order - I want a print copy, so it'll be some time. It does not sound promising.

As I've said before, the Band - all five- collaborated on the "road warriors" myth and on the "conspiracy of silence" on Levon's two year absence. It did not fit the carefully constructed image in 1968. Go on to 1970, 1971. Not a mention of it. It took me years to work out they were very far from the hardest working guys in showbiz.


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Song For Sam Cooke Dion

Link to the new Dion song, Song For Sam Cooke (Here in America) with Paul Simon. What an extraordinary singer Dion remains, and a great story song describing their double header tour in 1962, and Dion "walking in Memphis" with Sam Cooke. The violin is incredible. Song of the yer so far for me.


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Live It Up!

Review added in the 60s Retrospective series, LIVE IT UP! (linked) from late 1963. I’m getting addicted to these pop exploitation films and this is another full plot review with many pictures so you won’t need to watch it. This focusses on a lad starting a group, David Hemmings. The lead singer is Heinz and the drummer is a young Steve Marriott. Most of the soundtrack is Joe Meek, and featuresThe Outlaws, Sounds Incorporated, Jennifer Moss, Patsy Ann Noble, Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen and a sweet Gene Vincent. The Outlaws included Ritchie Blackmore and Chas Hodges.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Kevin, thanks for the detailed review of the book. It sounds less and less promising the more I hear about it, but I will pick it up when it comes out. If the book is as one dimensional as you and others have said, it really does a disservice to Levon and will certainly leading to more flaming of Robbie on social media.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Wallsend, interesting point about screening items for Levon to sign, I was not aware of that practice. LHS did exclusively sell the 'Three of a Kind' box set, which was the first 3 Band albums with original mixes without bonus tracks. I picked this set up at the barn. I think it was 30 or 40 bucks, there was a signed version available for 100 bucks that I passed on.

Pat, I basically agree with your comments regarding the feud. There's no question that it started with Levon. That being said, I don't think Robbie is some above reproach figure who doesn't bare any responsibility for things going awry. I really am not a fan of the interview segments in TLW and of Robbie's comments. I'm paraphrasing now, but the '8 years playing bars and dives, 8 years playing arenas' is a real whopper. And of course his comments about the road being an impossible way of life, it took Janis, Elvis, yadda, yadda, yadda... I really think those comments really cemented the divide between Levon and Robbie. Those interviews were recorded after August, 1977 when Elvis died, shortly before Rick and Levon began touring to promtote their solo albums. Maybe I'm making too much of this, but to me those comments being made at that time (and being immortalised in the movie) are really significant and set Robbie far apart from his bandmates.

The other interesting thing to me is Robbie's comments to Dan Rather regarding the feud. He said he had a conversation with Levon around the time of the book and everything seemed okay, he said he never had across word with him during the years of the Band (that is impossible to believe).

And then to me the most significant revelation is when he talks about rushing to Levon's bedside and visiting with him right before he died. Well, that's a really personal story that many of us would not be sharing with the world. It's my understanding that Levon was either in a coma or unconscious at this point and had no idea that Robbie was there. It's not as if Robbie brought his guitar to the hospital and they sang 'the night they drove old dixie down' together for a final time. I guess Dan Rather isn't an avid Band fan as he didn't ask any follow up questions. My main question to Robbie would have been what was the last contact you had with him before this? When you heard that Levon had throat cancer in the late 90's did you reach out to him?, When you heard he was going through a bankruptcy and foreclosure did you reach out to him?. Levon's medical and financial issues were well publicized. It's not as if Robbie would have been unaware of these issues.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Rod, that was really cool.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin!!!! Alright Alright! Very impressive review of......I won't be buying it. I'm finally done done done. Brooke Sluder (Robbie tattoo) passed the torch onto me when I first started posting. You continue reviewing Kevin.I always love reading your posts. I cannot give anymore energy to this....I was even called a sycophant via one of Levon's people and gee....Robbie never even gave me a guitar pick. Boo Hoo..... ;-D

Last 10 brown eyed girl mix 4 since raccoons woke me up. Listening via Beats headphones since Virgil still in dreamland.....

Marvin Gaye...Keep Getting' It On
Laid Back...Sunshine Reggae...One of my classes performed this song at our Positive Vibrations Concert
Grover Washington Jr. (7.00 at Ontario Place) and Bill Withers...Just The Two Of Us
Greg Brown...Real Good Friend
George Harrison...Stuck Inside A Cloud
Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chitown's Chance the Rapper, Lil Wayne, DJ Khaled...I'm The One
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers...The Best of Everything Alternate Version Extra Verse
Jose Feliciano...Cali Dreamin' Remastered
Mink DeVille...You Better Move On
Sixto Rodriguez...I Wonder

I wonder about the tears in children's eyes
And I wonder about the soldier that dies
I wonder will this hatred ever end
I wonder and worry my friend
I wonder, I wonder, wonder don't you?

I wonder how many times you been had
And I wonder how many dreams have gone bad
I wonder how many times you've had sex
And I wonder do you care who'll be next
I wonder I wonder, wonder I do

Hi Rod...I'm not finding your solo version of TTFTLW?


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Posted by:

Rod

If you have a spare moment pop over to YouTube and have a listen to my lock down project - solo guitar version of The Theme from the Last Waltz

dubdubdub dot youtube dot com/watch?v=ZFSICw90mLc


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Posted by:

Rod

Shame to hear what you guys say about the new book. There was some talk of it being an objective work. I will still order it when it comes out in the old fashioned paper format. Ordered OWB a few weeks back - can't be too far away.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Levon Book

Just finished the Levon book and it really is as light on rigour as Pat B explained. Much more than that though is just how blatantly unfair and vicious it is in its treatment of Robbie Robertson. Think of every negative thing Levon has ever said about Robbie and it’s in there. Not even a hint of warmth or respect that everyone knows was there for most of The Hawks/The Band times. Heck, RR is even blamed for the pot bust back in the early 60”s. There are hundreds of examples throughout where the approach of “going out of your way” to provide a one-sided slant to a story is so evident it should make most people’s heads spin. A few cases in point:

- The author’s first mention of the songwriting debate is at the first album. Unable to find someone credible to comment on the songwriting on MFBP, like say the producer of the album, the author turns to David Clayton Thomas who claims the whole album got its start on Yonge Street and that Levon was the driving force behind the album. Other than that Dylan show at Massey Hall in 1966, the boys hadn’t been anywhere near Yonge Street in years ! But, hey, if you can find a name like DCT to back up your thesis – go for it. And Bill Avis, on the record in the past as confirming Robbie wrote the songs is quoted as saying Levon wrote songs and everything was written as a collaboration.

- Levon himself was very clear in an interview with NPR in 1993 stating “not that Robbie didn’t do a lot of the songwriting, most of it, in some spots. But at the same time, Richard did some good work, and I always thought that Garth and Rick and myself was there all the way…” In the book, the author uses that quote but leaves out the first part - the bit about Robbie doing most of the songwriting….the first of many quotes or stories used that are lifted and selectively edited.

- The only source the author uses to back up Robbie’s side of things is Johnathon Taplin and Robbie himself though such quotes are always followed by her taking parts of Robbie quotes from the past where he was always generous in his praise of Levon to make it seem like he was confirming Levon’s contribution to songwriting.

- Looking for any comment at all on songs like ‘It Makes no Difference” or “Acadian Driftwood” – forget it. Other than describing “Acadian Driftwood” as sumptuous, not a word about the writing of arguably the Band’s best song. That just wouldn’t fit with the thesis being presented.

- The author seems worked up about the credits on “Islands” as well stating ”although Robertson is listed as the dominant songwriter, it’s notable that Danko was first out of the gate with a solo recording providing proof that he was a composer…” As if his songwriting credits on Band albums hadn’t already established that. Wonder whether she thinks "All Things Must Pass" prove John and Paul were frauds.

- As we get to the Band reforming, she emphasizes that Robbie was not asked to participate. Levon himself has said that Rick Danko called Robbie and asked him to participate but this is never mentioned.

- We are then treated to Louie Hurwitz and Jim Weider gushing about what a tremendous songwriter Levon was and how he was just a “great co-writer of songs”. In the concluding description of Jericho that follows, the author notes that Levon received just two “co-writing” credits on the album. No further analysis or commentary is offered. Hilarious!

- The part of the book that just cements the ugliness of the authors intentions has to do with Rick Danko’s funeral. No context is provided. No mention that Rick’s family asked Robbie to deliver the eulogy…..no, no ,no as that would surely not be in keeping with the theme here. Instead, she writes “As he addressed the spirit of his former bandmate from the podium, Robbie drove home his innocence declaring “I wrote the words you sang”. A disgusting display of pettiness as anyone who read that eulogy know how heartfelt is was. Of course, the author spends more time making the case that Robbie was responsible for Rick’s death – so, of course she is twisted enough to think the man travelled from California to deliver a eulogy to a great friend just so he could prove his innocence ! She concludes the description of Rick by telling us he was back to serious drug taking at the time of his death ( something I hadn’t believed to be the case ), had lost his house and that he and his wife were living in a motel. Oh, and she adds ominously that a call went out to “Robertson” for help but no financial assistance was ever sent.

The author notes that she met Levon in 1996 while working on her biography of Muddy Waters. She loved him which is understandable. But , anyone looking for an honest overview of The Band's story won't find it with this book. It reads more like a game summary of a sporting event where quotes from all sorts of people are used to fill space. No analysis and no evidence of any sort of research. Jules Shear and his pulling of songs from the reformed The Band due to their insistence on having their names added to his compositions? Of course that is not here.....Songwriting credits on "The Stones I Throw" - dream on.....why Levon was fine with Rick and Richard credits but not Robbie's? not even touched on.....and if you have taken the time to find John Simon quotes, why not print the ones where he confirms that Robbie wrote the songs. Heck, the producer of MFBP and The Band albums just wrote a book himself where he confirms again that Robbie wrote the songs.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi JQ...You can't change my mind about The Eagles. They bring me back to a time when I'd go to the school Library and put the headphones on and just try and get that peaceful easy feeling. I'm always in my head so I need a break sometimes! ;-D

As for nitrous oxide...Some people refer to it as laughing gas. Heck never made me laugh. I had a sports injury while playing broom ball, that's right broom ball....So I've had dental issues ever since. Even Sheryl Crow said that her dentist did a great job capping her front teeth. My dentist is a perfectionist as well. If the work isn't perfecto she'll send it back! So...I have a lot of sensitivities because of many surgeries and I need nitrous oxide even to have a dental cleaning....I am serious. We tried once when the tank was empty and I could not take the pain! When I breathe in nitrous oxide....I know when I am high as you know it just clicks in....Everything is so spacey. The real bonuses however is that she can clean as hard as she wants and I don't feel a thing.....also.....It's unbelievable.....Everything or anyone who is troubling me; I begin to look at them in different ways or I begin to realize that hey; they were mean because they are so unhappy with themselves....The only problem....well....being honest here....My tolerance is really high now. My dentist has to put it up full blast before I tell her....Ok you can start now! Luckily I only put this into my system four times a year or more if any dental issues. In my book From Chocolate To Morphine...It is addictive......


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Very first time....seeing Elvis sing Little Sister!


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brown eyed girl

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vicki petrotta
5 years ago
"back up singer Terry and Bobbie were in the coaster also who are the back up singers here and way back i was with the drummer so i got to hear the rehearsals and it was so great, i remember one time i brought a big lunch of kentucky chicken for us all"

Hi Joe Frey...When I first heard Little Sister by Ry Cooder; I didn't even know that it was by Elvis Presley. Sheesh. I even watched Elvis movies back in the day with my Ma. Oh well....


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Pat B

Ben, I think if Levon had given Stephen Davis a bunch of compelling stuff on the post-LW Band, it would have been in the book.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

The silence on the FB pages about the new bio is deafening. I guess things have not gone according to plan.


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Pat B

Deep six the feud? Just to be clear, the Fued began with Levon's autobiography. It had antecedents before that publication as Levon trashed RR to any number of people. It continued after the autobio in plenty of interviews. It has been promulgated with glee on the web here in the early days by Levon's poster friend and now on FB by Levon's wife and a coterie of Levon friends. It has been burnished by the new bio, and it is now a central tenet of the group's history. RR has answered it, first with his own autobiography and with OWB. What was the quote from FB? The Levon camp was gleeful that Bill Avis was gonna make sure RR got trashed in the new bio, even though the latest complaints out of Woodstock are about not getting paid by the author and tricking our old pal Butch Dener into talking too freely. Given the comical nature of it all, I appreciate Amy Helm's remarkable class even more.


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Wallsend

Ben, Tooze writes that when Levon was signing things for people at Rambles etc., his people would screen what he was asked to sign so that there was nothing related to Robbie or TLW. I am not an expert on these things but that really does not seem to reflect a good state of mind. btw, I always admire people who are willing to change their mind. Some people see it as a sign of weakness but I think just stubbornly sticking to a position even when new evidence comes to light is rather foolish. I am not as much in the 'Robbie camp' as what you might imagine from the things I post. As a hard core fan, I have been mightily offended by the vile things that have been posted about RR on various internet sites (including this one). I would have felt the same way if those posts had been about Levon or any of the other guys.


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John D

Subject: Ben, Deep six the feud

Well said Ben. Well Said.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nitrous Oxide??

BEG - Where would one find this?


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Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Bop Till You Drop

BEG, Ry's version of Little Sister was always a favorite. I love the album where that track resides, Bop Till You Drop. I liked it so much that I sprung for the Japanese remaster. Joe


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brown eyed girl

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So long ago
It's a certain time
It's a certain place
You touched my hand and you smiled
All the way back you held out your hand

If I hope and I pray
Ooh it might work out someday
If I live to see the seven wonders
I'll make a path to the rainbow's end
I'll never live to match the beauty again


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brown eyed girl

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Last 10 from Playlist...I have so much more energy when I do not discuss the FFFFF. Just sayin'. I'm on no one's side now. I guess I'm getting old....er now..As far as anyone else discussing the FFFFF....no problem at all.

Tracy Chapman Live on Letterman...Stand By Me.
Paul Young...Every Time You Go Away
Ry Cooder...Little Sister
Sade...By Your Side (Nigerian Mom, British Dad)
Soundgarden...Fell On Black Days
Steppenwolf...Magic Carpet Ride
Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty...Stop Draggin' My Heart Around...In one interview Tom was discussing his former issues with anger. He was so filled with anger that he'd punch his fist into a wall....broke his hand. Mr. South American did that once too but he was lucky....Ganja was the best sedative for him....firewater....nooooo!
Fleetwood Mac featuring Stevie Nicks...Seven Wonders
Rod the Mod and Jeff Beck...People Get Ready
Tony Joe White...Polk Salad Annie


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jed, Apology accepted. No problem. I think the discourse here is generally light years beyond what is currently happening on Band related fb groups. But, I wonder if that's a reflection more of fb or of fans of the Band.

My views on the issue have evolved over time. My view of Robbie's actions have mellowed quite a bit. I don't see him as a villain, I think he was much more interested in the business side of music than the others and he took care of himself. It's hard to fault a person for doing that. That being said, I wonder if Grossman and Capitol ripped them all off.

There's the oft repeated story of John Simon's production royalties from the first two Band albums magically appearing when Robbie asked him to work on TLW. I think that some of the issues that Levon would bring up at various times regarding Robbie, Capitol Records and the Band's (mis) management have often been conflated. I think there's likely some validity there, but I really think the fault lies much more with the management and label than with Robbie.


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brown eyed girl

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Awwww....Here's Mick Taylor where we can see him in action. Love Billy Preston playing organ in both videos as well! Yes Yes!! :-D


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brown eyed girl

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Another Rolling Stones song that Dylan wished he wrote..... :-D


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brown eyed girl

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Martin.
"Mary was pushing paperwork in Albert Grossman's office in 1965, and would see Dylan regularly. It was Mary who told Dylan to "quit moping around" and go out to Jersey and see the Hawks during their residency at Tony Mart's. Martin was well acquainted with the Hawks, from her days hanging out in Yonge St. clubs in her hometown of Toronto, and had even introduced them to Dylan's first electric album when hanging out with them one night. Mary Martin went on to become an A&R master with several record labels as well as a talent manager; she has a legendary ear for talent and a brutally honest wit. Her work in bringing Dylan & the Hawks together was is an A&R coup unlike any other, and was just the first of many for Martin. She would go on to nurture the careers of Leonard Cohen, Van Morrison, Emmylou Harris, Rodney Crowell, Vince Gill, and many others. In 2009 she was the honoree of the Louise Scruggs Memorial Forum at the Country Music Hall of Fame for lifetime of work in the music industry. https://countrymusichalloffame.org/louise-scruggs/mary-martin#.W9Hsw-hKhPY Dylan didn't know the Hawks existed before Mary Martin clued him in, and this historic convergence would likely never have happened if not for her."

I see Nomadic Mike popped in yesterday! :-D

It's Aunt Sophie's 80th today! You have to be negative within the last two weeks re Covid-19 in order to see her in Long Term Care facility. I'm not immediate family so I will only be able to call her today. Everyone has a spirit...Hers is so huge that it takes over a room. That's ok as she knows how to make everyone feeeeel special.

I always found that ganja made me feeeeel paranoid and I had no sense of time. I was not a heavy smoker.....Oh and it made me eat junk food so wasn't good for me. As I've said many times the high I get from nitrous oxide....better as it helps me to think outside the box. Now that's it legal I lost interest. I cannot wait until next Tuesday.... ;-D


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ben

I apologized for inadvertently using your screen name-my dumb error. And you are right about the feud appearing elsewhere. I was choosing to focus(not on you)but on a person who relishes in any chance he has to bring it up and then spread all the meanest gossip in an attempt to stimulate conversation.


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Peter V

Subject: John Martyn

Too fast! The same issue has a lengthy article on John Martn.


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Peter V

Subject: Uncut 279 August 2020

Beatles cover. Six page article on the new Dylan album by Richard Williams, one of my all-time favourite rock writers.

Also a long piece on "Get Back" the new Peter Jackson Beatles film.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Jed, Ouch, that was pretty harsh. Well, I think it is highly relevant. Have you looked at any Band related group on fb? The feud alive and well there. It is still being promulgated by Levon's widow and others in his inner circle.

If it's fair game to talk about groupies, the clap, narcotics, addiction and any other personal topic than I think the feud is a relevant topic here. My views on it have evolved over the years. I have gone back and read through old interviews and am interested in the specifics of it. Was Levon pushed by Stephen Davis and the publisher to gin this up for publicity around his book? I don't know.

Robbie said in the recent Dan Rather interview that he was told that Levon was having mental health issues and in the recently linked Toronto Life magazine article, Robbie says that Levon was paranoid.


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Bill M

I just read the Dylan interview in the NYT. Interesting that the Stones song he most wishes he wrote is "Wild Horses". Well, he did write the even more beautiful "All The Wild Horses". What appears to be he only explicit mention of our guys comes from Brinkley, not Dylan - to the effect that the accordion player on one song is "channelling Garth Hudson". Likely true.


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Jed

Subject: My apologies,Ben

My most sincere apologies,Ben-I was thinking of your post and typed your name instead of mine.I am so sorry for the error and wish I could fix it.


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Ben

Subject: Deep six the feud

ironically the feud can no longer exist except in the bored minds of the few living who have nothing better to do in their lives.Like clockwork one can predict who the same people are that will raise the topic here over and over just as it seems others have moved on.Perhaps if we don't respond to the usual suspects the temperature of the feud can be lowered?


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Jed

Subject: genes and addiction and harvard

the research at harvard,which i consulted on, was debunked by a series of studies we've done.Wallsend-are you an expert in this area? Perhaps stay in your lane-i'm not gonna use this GB to debate a layman with limited access to relevant data.I've spent 45 years doing this work and research and Wallsend,i wouldn't disrespect the knowledge you have in your field by throwing my ignorance at your expertise.


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Peter V

Terry Danko is active on Facebook, and recently posted great pictures from touring Japan with Rick (I guess 1978). He often posts great pictures.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I do wish there were more to choose from, but the documentary Ain't In It For My Health is probably the most essential late-period-Levon source across any media.


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Wallsend

Yes I agree they are all interesting topics. I guess Tooze missed some opportunities there.

Just came across this article which is quite interesting: New York Slate: A Bob Dylan Forgery (Why to be careful when buying at auction)


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Wallsend, I think it just comes down to what a writer (and editor) choose to emphasize. So, far the major books on the Band (Hoskyns, Levon/Davis) have dealt overwhelmingly with the OQ, and have little on the years after the last waltz. Robbie's book goes up to the last waltz, he's working on a second book, so we don't know how much of it will deal with the Band in the years after TLW. It sounds like the Tooze book covers this period a bit more, but still primarily focuses on the OQ.

It still seems very sketchy what exactly prompted Levon to begin attacking Robbie in his book written in the early 90's. I would really like to see that issue fleshed out. So, Stephen Davis would be a key source of information. I would also like to see additional details of Rick and Richard's activities during the period after TLW. Apparently, Richard was performing and writing songs with Rick's brother, Terry Danko around L.A, in the late 70's. That's something that hasn't been covered in much detail. So, Terry Danko would be an obvious source for this period.

Rick played pretty extensively with Paul Butterfield from the late 70's until Butterfield's death in 86 or 87. That's a topic that hasn't been covered much. Rick was working on a second album for Arista in the late 70's before he was dropped by the label. Some of these recordings surfaced many years later on 'Cryin' Heart blues' this hasn't been covered in any of the books.

The other obvious topic is the financial problems that Levon, Rick and Garth had after TLW. This certainly seems to overlap with Levon's issues with Robbie. But, what about Rick and Garth. Were they all screwed by Albert Grossman and the bean counters at Capitol? I really don't know, but I would be very curious to find out.


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Wallsend

Ben, for a new book to be meaningful I think it would need new information or a new interpretation and I am not sure what that would be. I found Tooze's book quite interesting because she interviewed lots of people. It would have been better if she had been a little more inquisitive as Pat suggested. For example, she quotes Artie Traum as saying Levon had a 'flawed personality' but does not explain what he meant by that. I think a 'warts and all' portrait would have been more interesting not in order to blacken the reputation of someone who has passed but because it would have been more realistic. The post-Band part of the book tends to be just a list of things that Levon did without too much interpretation so it is less engaging.


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Wallsend

Well this is from the Harvard Medical School website:

"There is plenty of evidence for a connection between genetic endowment and addiction to alcohol and drugs. By analyzing patterns of inheritance, researchers have learned that heredity accounts for about half of the risk that a person will develop an addiction. Addiction is a medical illness and develops in the same way as many other illnesses. A person with some underlying genetic vulnerability is exposed to an environment that brings on the illness. In the case of drug and alcohol addiction, common environmental factors are stress and, of course, availability of the addictive substances."


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

John, Peter Guralnick is an excellent writer. His two books on Elvis are phenomenal. That's really what I'm getting at, you take someone like Elvis, there have probably been hundreds of books written about him. They run the gamut from sugar coated books written while he was alive to hatchet jobs like the bodyguard book 'Elvis What Happened' and the Albert Goldman book 'Elvis' to books focused on every possible aspect of his life. But, there have only been a handful of serious books about him.

Gary Giddins is another top notch music writer, he is writing a multi-part biography of Bing Crosby. I read the first book, which was 400 or 500 pages and only covered the first 30 or so years of Bing's life.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, I hope you're wrong and a first rate writer takes on the whole story of the Band. The story has never been fully told and is still unfinished. Two of the principles are still alive. Robbie is presenting his version of the story with his book, documentary, Band re-issues and frequent interviews. Garth is in a nursing home with a go fund me page set up to raise money to pay for his medical/living expenses. That's quite a contrast. And Garth wasn't unique, both Levon and Rick had serious financial issues.

I have a much higher opinion of Levon's post last waltz work. The RCO All Stars studio album and the live album are absolutely first rate. Unfortunately, the album didn't sell and they didn't stay together long enough for a follow up. The two self titled solo albums are mediocre, but the album he made in between those two, 'American Son' is also first rate. So, two out of four isn't too bad.

Regarding the reformed Band, it was a real shame and missed opportunity that the Band reunited strictly as a touring act without a new album or even an EP . I think they could have easily done another 'Moondog Matinee' type of album of covers to promote in 1983. I really enjoy the 3 albums they recorded in the 90's, particlularly 'Jubilation'. Of course Levon's final two albums are excellent. It's interesting to me that Levon's final albums were so much more successful than the Band's 90's albums.


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Bill M

Jed: Not a pain in the ass. It needed to be said. Maybe you cold sent a colleague-to-colleague note to Dominique, who seems to think there is such a gene. Maybe you'd do us a a service by deep-sixing the old feud and getting us a new one?


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Jed

Subject: BEG

Thanks for the nice call out! The Carla/Mick pairing is special!


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Carla Olson & Gene Clark - The Drifter


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Carla Olson & Mick Taylor - Within An Ace, Is The Lady Gone


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brown eyed girl

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Richard Manuel: Life in The Band

“Richard Manuel was a whole show unto himself. He was hot. He was about the best singer I’d ever heard; most people said he reminded them of Ray Charles. He’d do those ballads, and the ladies would swoon. To me that became the highlight of our show.” – Levon Helm

"The Band has gone down in history as one of the greatest musical collectives in rock history. But one member who is frequently given short shrift for his contribution is Richard Manuel.

Because The Band had multiple vocalists, and other members Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm have made significant musical achievements since their breakup, history has perhaps not been as kind to Richard as he deserves. As he was in many ways the “lead” lead singer."

Also included articles on Karen Dalton and Phil Ochs, Townes Van Zandt, Michelle Phillips and more.....


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Addiction gene

Sorry to be a pain in the ass but i’m an addiction shrink and researcher. There is no such thing as an addiction gene. There is no science behind that idea and no research to prove it’s a legitimate concept. My colleagues and I have written about meta studies on this matter and conducted our own research and there is no evidence of an addiction gene for heroin,alcohol or any other drugs.


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Bill M

Bonk: An interesting thought. I understand that everybody was 'clean' at the time of the '66 tour with the rock bobster. Does Robbie say in "Testimony" when it was that he "used", which is what Dominique calls it in OWB. There must be more than one 'addict' gene, with Robbie free of the heroin gene but not the tobacco gene, apparently.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Why Dylan did interview

A few possible reasons: To be out there publicly in a big way the week his new album is released (Bob as the ultimate marketeer),the interviewer is someone he likes(The noted historian Doug Brinkley),to drive people nuts in attempting to define the meaning of his every word.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Dylan's interview in New York Times

Why does Bob Dylan give an interview to New York Times?


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Ben

I've often wondered, if during Levon's little sojourn from the rest of the boys, did he have a little taste of something that other people have stated, 'if god made anything better than heroin, he kept it for himself', and introduced the other two to it's false magic. After Big Pink and The Band albums, something was really wrong and even Ronnie noticed that Levon had changed. Just saying, so please don't start jumping all over me.


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John D

Subject: Ben

Ben, what a great suggestion to have Peter Guralnick write the definitive story of The Band. He is indeed one of my favourite authors.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: life, post masterpiece

Mike N: An interesting Dylan quote. The Book of Robbie provides guidance on what one can do after reaching the mountaintop - go back down and look up an old flame. Lake Charles in Louisiana is an example of a place to look, but it could be anywhere. Just don't give the flame the masterpiece.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, looks like there might be potential for a song there. Poole is going to rise again!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, it is strange that she did not interview Levon's wife. Also, that there is no discussion of the book on the Facebook sites. At least Tooze did a better job of international distribution than Robbie as I still cannot view Once Were Brothers. I see the dvd is out, I am assuming there are no bonus features as none are advertised.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, I really doubt any writer worth his or her salt is going to take on the project you envision. The three albums they released post-LW as The Band had little if any cultural impact, and the one song that emerged from those years that got airplay was a cover. Levon had a lovely renaissance, but that has now been covered in two books. In his own autobiography (1st ed.), Levon spent about 10% on his post-LW career. In the latest bio on Levon, his life up to the Last Waltz is over 50% of the book. His time with the post-LW Band is less than 15%, and that includes his ongoing movie career, Ringo's All Starr Band, The Wall in Berlin, the barn burning down, and long stretches of prose that add little to the story. I think you're gonna have to be happy rooting through Jan's archives.

Maybe it's a sign of age, but I've been reading a lot of band bio's. Two recent ones were on Van Halen and Bread. Yeah, I know. Of interest here are the business similarities. Normally a Bread bio would not interest me, but it came highly recommended as both encyclopedic and a deep dive into a music area of which I knew little. Three songwriters and their personal feuds when one of them becomes the star. Plus Larry Knechtel is an interesting character. VH is even more compelling. A bunch of high school pals who form a band and agree early on to share all writing and publishing money. Of course, things get angry when only two of the members do the work.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Masterpiece

That is.... surprisingly direct for Dylan? That's how I've always thought of the song.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Zimmy

Interesting interview with Bob Dylan in today’s New York Times, including a reflection on “When I Paint My Masterpiece.” Asked, “What made you bring it back to the forefront of recent concerts?, Dylan replies: “I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that’s out of reach. Someplace you’d like to be beyond your experience. Something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain. That you’ve achieved the unthinkable.

“That’s what the song tries to say, and you’d have to put it in that context. In saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously you have to paint another masterpiece. So it could become some kind of never ending cycle, a trap of some kind. The song doesn’t say that though.”


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Not bad for a blind white boy

I needed a little Jeff Healey this morning. The best part of the flick "Road House". This song not from Road House but a great sound for youtube.

Just shows how great Jeff really was playing and singing both.


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Peter V

Yes, sorry, Dunc. In Poole we are preparing for outside agitators who might attack our statue. As in Bristol there's a lot of anger about "Londoners" telling us what we're supposed to like or dislike having displayed here. Many people here who couldn't have given a flying whatever about Baden-Powell are now staunch supporters! Touch our statue at your peril!


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Wallsend, I saw some of the posts on the fb page. The one that struck me was Sandy helm's post that she wasn't interviewed for the book and wasn't getting any money. I think she actually said that Butch Dener and other friends of Levon in the Woodstock area were hoodwinked by the author....What I would really like is of a first rate music writer like Peter Guralnick or Mikal Gilmore or Greil Marcus wrote a book about the Band that covered the entire history from the Hawks days up to the present and gave all sides an equal voice.


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Posted by:

NMC

Subject: Sorry

Pro_b_ably.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Propably.

Subject: Same ol' s**t

It is not a clever thing to comment fellow gbers personalities but . . .

Bill M has posted, and not only once, that he is a Sartre man. I can't believe it! Bill M seems to be a balanced and down-to-the earth person. Sober also. - I am a Camus man. We shouldn't have anything in common. But we have. One of must know (Sooner or later) that this can't be correct.

This was not so bad. Not rock bottom in the history of gb (incl. Norbert's legacy gb) as these two posts about fellow gbers: "I have seen your bottom. It was so pale" and about a photo on my wife's website: "She has her mouth open as a cheap 24/24 café".


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: John Carter

Thanks again, Peter. Just found that Lesley worked a lot with John Carter on demos etc. That explains it. I wouldn’t Have got there if you hadn’t told me John Shakespeare and John Carter were the one person.

Need to get motivated now. Horrible day here.


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Dunc

Location: Scotland

Peter may be gone some time. Probably guarding the Baden Powell statue just now in Poole centre. Poole the main story in the UK yesterday.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Writing credits

John Shakespeare shares writing credits on seven of the songs on Poor Cow. Is he responsible for sourcing the music in the film? Or is it about getting money? Thanks,Peter.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Lesley Duncan

Thanks very much, Peter. I didn’t know that about the Ivy League member. Over the last two or three years, I have become very interested in Lesley Duncan, and am now going to do a Toppermost on her. Some of the questions I have been asking you lately relate to my interest in her, for example about ‘Hutch’.

Her story is amazing. She and her brother, Jimmy who went on to manage The Pretty Things moved to London and were taken on as song writers. There was a link with Dundee. I’m still tracing the development of popular Scottish music and she wrote a great song for the Dundee band The Poor Souls’ called ‘When My Baby Cries’ which is a very good Song. Hi Bill M. When making demos, they discovered that she was a really good singer, and she released about 12 singles from the early sixties onwards. Her excellent singing was recognised, and it was incredible the number of records she appeared on as a session singer often with Kiki Dee, Madeleine Bell, and even Dusty Springfield. She was a backing singer for Dusty and you see her on the BBC performances on YouTube. She appears on many songs and albums from Dark Side of the Moon to Everlasting Love.

Love Song has been recorded by over 160 artists. I think it is brilliant. You’ll know that your article on Anglicana spurred me on to revisit and visit many English artists, she being one of them.

She was always destined to become a singer songwriter and produced critically acclaimed albums, but never got a hit album. Give the two albums I sent you a spin. It’s Elton on piano and it’s brilliant English musicianship, and a bit of Band influence? I think the albums are ahead of their time.

I had heard that she had written a song for the Swinging Blue Jeans, but was getting nowhere with finding it, until yesterday. I think the five writers in brackets ensures that everybody gets some money for the song, which I learned from you on this site many years ago. I was wondering how songs were selected for Poor Cow. The guy Shakespeare seems to have something to do with it? Maybe?

Thanks for answering questions, Peter.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Ben, I don't normally buy e-books either but it was only $16 which is a lot cheaper than the hardcopy book. There are some mistakes but overall I think it is a good contribution to The Band library. That Daily Mail article was bizarre. it is as thought a bot had gone through the book looking for scandal and rearranged paragraphs without any human supervision. That is probably how it was written. Over on the Levon fan facebook page a couple of weeks back some of Levon's friends were happy because they thought she had done a good job of trashing Robbie. There is some of that but she has some harsh things to say about Levon as well, especially about the way he squandered money. Nothing we didn't already know of course.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Racial

On the news yesterday I was kind of floored to hear that Walmart was changing one policy in their stores in the south. The cosmetic departments for white and black were separate and the section for black folks every thing was always locked up. Some of you down there may have known of this but I never heard of it before.

This reminded me how not very many years ago, there were many products in the grocery stores here that contained alcohol that were always locked away. You had to ask for them like they do with cigarettes now. There were those of the native folk who were very alcoholic (created by the white man). There were many things in the store, (particularly in aerosol cans) that were always being swiped out of the stores.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

I don't do e-books, so I won't be reading the Sandra Tooze book until it comes out in August. I read the Daily Mail article linked on the what's New page and found that to be a barely coherent, very sensationalistic jumble. Based on the comments here, I don't have high hopes for the book, but I will reserve judgement until I get my hands on it.

Regarding the drug issue, well, Levon addressed this in the Stephen Davis book in the early 90's. So, it was no secret. The emphasis that is placed on it, is entirely subjective to the discretion of the author. Even within the Band, I think that Levon (and Rick) were functioning much better than Richard. I base that primarily on their activities between the last waltz and the band's reunion in 1983.

I also think it's important to take the behaviour of their contemporaries during that period. Drugs and groupies were pretty commmon hobbies of rock musicians during the 60's and 70's. It doesn't really change my view of these guys.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bob Dylan recently raved about The Eagles, saying Pretty Maids All In A Row “could be one of the best songs ever.” He really did.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Rough and Rowdy Ways

Regarding you post Dag. I expect Dylan does and perhaps you as well know Jimmy Rogers song. I have linked here. When we were kids our father played guitar and he and a few others did small gigs here and there on the islands of our coast where we grew up. (Much like Norway).

Our fathers hero back then was Jimmy Rogers. There are not many of those Mississippi Delta Blues songs my older brothers and I don't know.

On the subject of racial problems the sort of thing that Dylan talks about don't go away. The problems in the first nation church run schools are still being faced in court and our governments both provincial and federally here.

Still love all that old Jimmy Rogers music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Wiki says Leslie Duncan was a session singer, which would have connected her to Carter-Lewis who were the ultimate in session singers as Ivy League, New Vaudeville Band, Flowerpot Men and more.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: In explanation

Aaaw! I was just giving you the gears Evangalina. You gotta start writing slower...I can't read that fast. Some where back there (I'll never find it again) you said something and then corrected "yourself". It reminded me of a time when I last ever went for any kind of schooling.

The company I worked for when I was in my twenties sent us off to a college seminar for several days teaching us (I was a forman) management skills. One professor from a University in the USA, (his name was Terry and I can't remember his last name). When he was lecturing us I noticed that he was just talking at high speed. In conclusion he remarked. Some of you may have noticed I have been talking as fast as I could. I think he said about 400 words a minute. But you all can listen at over 800 words a minute. The point being you listen to a little of what I say then go off on your own thoughts then you listen again for a little so that you actually listen about ten seconds out of every minute I speak. Your retention of what I'm saying is about 25 percent. After 2 weeks it's about 25 percent of that.

His whole point was when you are giving instruction to your crew you use as few words as possible to get your point across to help them remember what you have said. He had a lot of good ideas (I thought). I believe in spending the time to listen to what he had to say helped me a lot because just about all my life has been managing crews. How often do you hear "How many times do I have to tell you!" Well if you explained it right the first time only once.

You wouldn't have wanted me in your class. Every time your back was turned I'd be throwing paper planes. :-)

Anywa y this professor Terry that was his favourite expression. Withhold evaluation until comprehension is complete. Basically don't start giving any one shit until you know what in hell yer talking about.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: New Bob Dylan interview

In the New York Times today.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Weird credits there on IMDB. I clicked on Valentine MacCullum and he was born 1963, so though they insist he wrote it in 1967, it seems most unlikely. It says “Performer Unknown” and there are snippets of many songs. John Shakespeare had a hand in several tracks, and quite often I notice that “snippets” will be songs the main composer had also done elsewhere. I’d also guess that the credits on the disc: Keen, Carter, Duncan, McKenna, Shaw are more likely to be accurate than IMDB … so John Carter of the Ivy League whose other name was “John Shakespeare” as on IMDB. Five composers sounds like a shared band credit.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Much appreciated Peter the V

Thanks, Peter. That’s a great help. I wasn’t getting that list through googling.

The song is ‘Something’s Coming Along’ which is written by Lesley Duncan and others.

I’ve now found the Swinging Blue Jeans doing it. It’s a decent song and by the sound of it, perhaps written especially for the film? Could that have been the case? How could I find this out?

Anyway, really enjoyed your review. When I saw the film, I was relatively young, and thought I was cool having seen it.

Many thanks.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Yay Jed's here! We need more voices here or else the regulars are going on strike! In case you haven't noticed I'm just the heavenly messenger. I like to search for The Band related articles and many other groups as I'm a music fan foremost...but that doesn't mean I agree with the content or critiques. Just sayin'.

Perfect Inspiration: Levon Helm
Includes many articles within this article including Steve Jordan's interview with Levon....In case you missed it or just want to reread as you're a Super The Band Fan!

The Department of Tangents
Conversations About Comedy, Music, and Horror ETC
Nick Zaino


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Posted by:

Jed

Location: Play Guitar?

To think about comparing RR’s guitar playing with Duane Allman is comparing apple and oranges. Would we compare Bing Crosby(focus on the song) to Coltrane or Miles? Two very different genres of music-the song vs. improvisation. Louie Armstrong as compared to Charlie Parker? Both great players but totally different intent. Just a thought.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Helm in particular: "I wasn't made to be booed," he writes in his 1993 autobiography This Wheel's on Fire. "I could look at it and find it kind of funny [...] but the whole booing thing became heartbreaking, considering the effort Bob was putting out and how easy it would have been for him to play it safe. I was starting to get real pissed off. It was better for me not to be part of that."

After leaving the group, Helm bummed around Mexico, Florida, and New Orleans before getting a job as a deckhand on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. That might have ended his career with the Hawks had Dylan not crashed his motorcycle and retreated from the spotlight himself. Dylan and the remaining Hawks holed up in Woodstock, New York, where they began writing, playing, and recording casually, with little regard for commercial or live prospects. Helm might have missed the opportunity to play with the Hawks on Dylan's 1966 double album Blonde on Blonde, but one phone call from Garth Hudson summoned him back when the Hawks, now known as the Crackers, were ready to record.

Following his death at age 71, a look at the Band drummer's genre-defining voice.\

Stephen M. Deusner
Pitchfork
APRIL 23 2012


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Poor Cow OST

Dunc: No Swinging Blue Jeans in my recall, but I've linked the IMDB page with the full soundtrack list … Donovan, Ivy League, Flowerpot Men, Lovin' Spoonful but no sign of Swingin' Blue Jeans.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

APR 22, 2012

"Chuck Colson, Levon Helm: Different Men, Similar Lessons

This week, two iconic figures of American culture, both of whom made their marks in the 1970s, died. Chuck Colson was a powerful political operative, convicted felon in the Watergate scandal, and then a leading force in the evangelical church. Levon Helm grew up in Turkey Scratch, Arkansas; played various – and “fused” – forms of country, folk, blues, and gospel music; was a major member of “The Band” that backed Bob Dylan; and became an inspiration to two generations of singers and songwriters.

There is no case to be made for “ideological bookends,” or the irony of two enemies in the culture wars: that is not the fabric I wish to weave. These two men did not face off 40 years ago; Levon, for instance, was not even a part of any major protest movement in the pop music of his day, otherwise a common association.

The lives of these two men, different as they were, offer, I think, powerful lessons for countrymen they leave behind. Their names were seldom paired in a sentence before this week, but should be in a certain way.

They showed us that how you live is important. But how you die is more important."

Hey Westie! I'm not quite catching your drift. I'm a little slow at times. It's only day four of no longer carrying the Virus ya know. ;-D

Kevin J! Are you out on the road again or just working in town?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Robertson's guitar solos are short and sweet, little bursts of riffs rather than pealing, twisting runs. (Compare his economical work with that of Duane Allman and you might understand why Eric Clapton once aspired to become a member of The Band.)

Helm -- famously described by Jon Carroll as "the only drummer who can make you cry" -- favored loping, ragged beats that evoked the smell of blood and cordite.

There's an appealing, jug band-style looseness to the record; only the sonic fidelity argues against the songs being recorded in the 1930s. But it's not nostalgic. It's timeless."

The Band plays on: In the turbulent year of 1968, Arkansan Levon Helm and four buddies released perhaps the best debut album of all time
Philip Martin
August 26, 2018


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lobby Cards for TLW

Milestones For Levon Helm

"Briefly left band after reported disagreement? with Dylan; spent hiatus working on off-shore oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M! You told me that you are from Pickering!! Or did NB tell me? Or you moved? Green-eyed girl was actually from Guildwood so not sure if she met the boyzzz in Scarborough because they wanted to attend an Alternative School...You met her at Jeff Healey's of course. Some other shows...She also came with me to the Silver Dollar to see Johnnie Johnson and The Weber Brothers. She met Coby from the GB in the restroom. She told Coby to talk to me as she didn't know the music that I did......lol.....and that's how we met. And she came with me to The Horseshoe Tavern to see Blackie and The Rodeo Kings with Richard Bell...Garth was supposed to have been there? Was this the show I ran into John Donabie and son? Her X is/was a Toronto musician who played in a band as well. Back in the day they would rent basement halls and have Mod nights. She told me that they met Paul Weller. Not sure how? It is her X whose grandfather...College at University of Toronto is named after him.....

I met her at the Institute of Child Study. At that time it was the only two year teaching program. We were part of a special group as only 38 students were accepted into the program. You had to have a certain grade average and two references from someone who knew your academic work and someone who knew your work with children. Green-eyed girl and I also had a part-time summer job at the Art Gallery Of Ontario and I continued there during our second school year. I actually had a couple of jobs as student loan, grant and bursary wasn't enough.....Anyway, we ran into Andrew Cash at a restaurant once at Yonge and Joseph Street which is no longer there and we saw L'Etranger perform...somewhere....It was the 80's....She also knows some of the boyzzz in The Skydiggers who went to North Toronto high school. One of my co-workers also attended the same school and knew them. Toronto isn't such a large city sometimes...Just like Virgil the Ontario Scholar who went to school and somehow became friendly with the guitarist from Triumph Rik Emmett.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Gene Krupa story full movie.
Highly recommended!!!!!


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, for Levon to have walked out on the tour the way he did he must have been at absolute breaking point. His drums were probably the last thing on his mind. The impression I get from Tooze's book is that the time on the oil rig was relatively short. In general she down plays his drug use but from Robbie's book (and a few other sources) the feeling I got was that he was really wasted in this period. In explaining his absence, it probably sounded better to say he was working on an oil rig.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Poor Cow

Hi Peter, I enjoyed reading a review of Poor Cow yesterday. Do you know if there is a song by the Swinging Blue Jeans in the film? Thank you.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Just For You / Disk-O-Tek Holiday

Review added of JUST FOR YOU (1964) (linked) The film that explains the exploitation in budget pop exploitation film. Cheap sets. Dreadful DJ links from Sam Costa (Thank goodness they didn’t engage Jimmy Saville). All mimed stuff. Not an actual performance on there. Its main virtue is to demonstrate just how good A Hard Day’s Night was at the same time. I thought it would be an exercise in early pop video, but it’s woefully unimaginative. The two biggest stars to emerge, Jon Anderson and Mike d’Abo, manage to conceal any sign whatsoever of their future abilities and talent. The best performances were a surprise … Al Saxon and Louise Cordet for me. I’ve done a cynical review with lots of pictures. It was retitled Disk-O-Tek Holiday in the USA and several clips were replaced by US artistes..


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Posted by:

Peter V

The list of Levon’s travels reverses the previous order, which I thought was Arkansas then oil rig first. Hopefully someone (Dag?) will remember, but there was a comment that Levon was only on the oil rig a very short time and his main function was entertainment. It doesn’t sound like long spells with shore leave.

A further thought, Robbie describes seeing Levon off from Washington DC. Was he on his way to the station? What happened to his drums? They would be in an equipment truck, I’d guess, and possibly even already on their way to NYC for recording. Was it just a simple shake hands and tearful goodbye? In practical terms, the sensible scenario would be rent a car, see the road crew and get your drums back, then drive them to Arkansas. They’re not an easy thing to send on, especially in those days. Walking away from your instrument would be unusual – unless (say) Dylan had rented a kit in for the tour along with amps. Sources have discussed the amps being more powerful than normal on the tour, so it doesn’t sound like The Hawks normal stage gear. But drums are usually more personal.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Pat B. I wonder when, where and why Levon's drumming changed. Maybe New Orleans, in clubs when on shore leave from the oil rigs? Playing with his heart rather than his hands.

BEG: Grade 13 French class at my school (in Scarborough) entailed reading and discussing Camus' "L'Etranger" for an entire semester. For me an influential book. And I really liked the band "L'Etranger", especially the first LP (the white one). I got to tell that to group leader Andrew Cash as we headed up on the same escalator after a conference. He'd become an effective Member of Parliament by then, but not effective enough to get himself re-elected, unfortunately. His political mentor, L'Etranger bassist Charlie Angus, is one of the finest MPs in the country and his been in Parliament for close to 20 years.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Good times chatting with James Maddock today on ‘Come To Where I’m From’ we covered socialism versus capitalism, saying no to Macca, magical thinking versus pragmatism and how wildly wonderful Judee Sill is. Plus a bunch of other stuff. Check it out!! On all the places podcasts come through and watch us on the Joseph Arthur YouTube page. Keep swinging! #podcasts #jamesmaddock #josepharthur #singersongwriter

James Maddock plays guitar on one of my fave Garland Jeffreys tracks...Any Rain...which I have previously posted btw.

10:00 Gene Krupa Story tonight.

Good Night All!

We live as we dream
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Norm J

Subject: Offering up Advise of the Ages

BEG, I was talking to the Dali Lama the other day he told me to give you this message............With hold evaluation until comprehension is complete.


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brown eyed girl

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Meet Mr. Yorkville...Robbie's Girl

She lives in Toronto (Rosedale hood) and has a home in Cali.

Bill M...I forgot to say that I don't remember where I saw my previous quote by Camus. A friend made a book for me to write my poetry and then I decided to include any meaningful poems, mantras, writings, lines in songs...that come into my orbit. All these quotes/writings are in this book.

We were not born in isolation but sometimes it seems that way.
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brown eyed girl

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The award was presented by Robbie Robertson and Janet Zuccarini, who spoke highly of the couple and attributed their relationship to an introduction made by Diane Bald and Michael Budman. On another site Robbie refers to Janet as his sweetheart. Janet refers to Robbie as her soulmate.

Bill M...Yiiiikes! Although I was really feeling great today; my brain is still fried. I posted a quote by Camus and yet my brain was saying Sartre, Satre, Satre. Anyway, I've only read L'Etranger as green eyed girl's friends were in the band L'Etranger. They met at an alternative school in Scarborough where the Barenaked Ladies, The Weekend......are from. The book that I could not wrap my head around was by James Joyce...The Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man. Watch the posts tomorrow morning or anytime after 3:30 AM and Peter V will say that he was able to read it. At around the same time or earlier Kevin J will waltz in as well. As for feeling irie today I walked to the Danforth with my music on shuffle and just enjoyed the rays of sunlight and no drama whatsoever! ;-D


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, the author lists Levon's touch downs (in order after he left Dylan) as Arkansas, Mexico, LA, Fayetteville, Memphis, Orlando, Miami, New Orleans (oil rig work), Memphis.


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Bill M

Albert Camus has been having a good couple of months, as a number of literary ruminations about the current pandemic refer at least in passing to his book "The Plague". All I remember about the "Plague" is that I didn't get far along before I gave up.

BEG: The quote you quoted must the most positive thing the guy ever said. So positive that it's almost spiritual - which you'd think would have been anathema to his existential principles. (I line up behind Sartre's basic interpretation; certainly not Camus'.)


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brown eyed girl

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From the original protest songs of the civil rights movement to the charity singles raising money for those in need, for decades musicians have inspired change through their songs.

Here are our top 10 songs to inspire you to change the world for the better.

If you walk in front of me, I fear to not follow
If you walk behind me, I fear to not lead
If you walk beside me, you and I have nothing to fear

Albert Camus


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Bill M

Pat: Thanks. That aligns with what Roger Tillison told me. At the time, I didn't know what to make of it, as I'd thought Levon would still have been in LA.


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Wallsend

Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to read the new Levon book despite my misgivings. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and good to have some details about Levon's period away from the Hawks. My biggest complaint would be that she rather uncritically accepts Levon's interpretation of events leaving some big questions still unanswered. For example, if Robbie was cooperating with The Band management to rip the others off, why didn't they just toss him out?


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Pat B

Bill M, precision is not the author's forte but I would guess Memphis from the narrative, crashing at Anna Lee's apartment.


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Bill M

Pat B; Thanks for the tip. It'll be good to get a better idea of Levon's 'lost years'. Does it say where Levon was when the other guys called his from Woodstock to suggest he return to the fold?


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brown eyed girl

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"Please tune in on May 26th which would have been Lee's 80th birthday to hear Sandra B Tooze talk about Levon and her new book. Both Dad and I are amongst many of Levon's family and close friends in this book. Please spread the word if you can. Jerome Levon Avis"

Check out Sandra Tooze book talk on Levon.


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brown eyed girl

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Sandra B. Tooze
Levon Helm: From Down in the Delta to the Birth of The Band and Beyond

Sandra Tooze, author of the acclaimed biography, Muddy Waters: The Mojo Man, turns to Levon Helm in this biography of a talented, often tragic musician in the era that saw the convergence of blues, country and R&B.


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Pat B

In hindsight, I'd say the strongest segment of the Levon bio is the period after he jumped ship from Dylan. Finally there is something of a chronology for Levon's wanderings over the lost two years.


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Peter V

I don’t think you can equate Van’s famed irascibility or Paul Simon being a bit snooty, with Jerry Lee Lewis, guns, shooting people and underage girls. On the spectrum, Jerry Lee is as bad as you get. I don’t think Little Richard, Chuck Berry or Bo Diddley were nice guys. Keith Moon was the nastiest bastard i have seen at close quarters.


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brown eyed girl

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I guess we missed this one?

"May 26 is the 80th anniversary of the birth of Levon Helm!
Join Sandra B Tooze in her live stream event at Canada Performs as she presents my biography of the great musician

-- LEVON: FROM DOWN IN THE DELTA TO THE BIRTH OF THE BAND AND BEYOND.


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brown eyed girl

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Apr 28, 2020 3:20pm PT
Alanis Morissette: Nearly Every Woman in Music Has Been ‘Assaulted, Harassed, Raped’

By Ellise ShaferWith her iconic breakthrough record “Jagged Little Pill” celebrating its 25th anniversary in June, Morissette — who began her career as a teen pop star — said that the “female rage” she famously exhibited in the album is needed now more than ever.

“Female rage gets such a bad rap, but it’s part of being human,” Morissette said. “Not punching someone in the face, but anger channelled into activism or — heaven forbid — raising your voice, or saying no, or protecting your kids, or being a feminist.”

Explaining that she was subject to exploitation, financial undermining and sexual abuse starting at the age of three, Morissette was vocal about the importance of women standing up for themselves within their own timeframe, and called out the stigma behind “waiting” to open up about abuse.


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brown eyed girl

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Hedley allegations (degrading his groupies) put spotlight on music industry in wake of #MeToo

​"Auf der Maur (Hole and Smashing Pumpkins)...didn't comment on the Hedley allegations, but said she's observed from afar those so-called rock 'n' roll clichés, although she herself has never experienced them. By the time the Canadian expat began touring in the '90s, she said, the more overt sexism of the '70s and '80s seemed to be dying off, at least in her own tight-knit alternative scene.

"There was none of that at Lollapalooza. [Bands and artists including] Pavement, Rage Against the Machine, Beck, Sonic Youth — none of us would do any such things," she said by email, before elaborating further by phone."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Spade Cooley

In the 50’s in LA there was a TV show called Home Town Jamboree and Spade Cooley was a regular performer, maybe even a host. He was a great musician and composer, along the lines of Bob Wills. I was just a kid but I do recall that murder and the gory details; I think it shook up our house. Merle Travis (another druggie and wife beater) was on that show regularly too. The 1950’s country music scene in LA I think rivaled Nashville then.


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Lisa

Pat, I was thinking more of the 60s and 70s. Some of those girls were literally children when they started their groupie careers.


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Pat B

Lisa, there are a number of younger musicians that have been caught up in the Metoo movement, with Ryan Adams having perhaps the highest profile in the Americana area.


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Pat B

Cathy Smith is mentioned in the new Levon bio as is the "Band baby." Amazingly, the book doesn't have a bibliography or an index.


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Lisa

beg, I was extremely struck by your descriptions of your life as a teacher. I know you've mentioned it many times before but never quite like this. The stress of it ... like being an ER worker who has to deal with everything that comes through the door ... and how rewarding it can be too ... but then to get ground down by the system ... very discouraging. The field trip though - :-D

One of the points about Cathy was that she was so young. I've always found it kind of interesting that the rock world has escaped largely unscathed by the MeToo movement. Bet there was a certain amount of quaking in boots when that started though.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Norm, Then I guess I do have the book you were referring to. There's a long section in it about rockabilly and Warren Smith. Good stuff. There are so many stories about Jerry Lee. It really is amazing that he is alive. I believe he recorded a duet with Robbie several years ago on one of his last albums.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Spade Cooley

Direct quotes from the book Ben (On the evening of April 3/1961 he (cooley) arrived at his home in Willow Springs about 85 miles north of LA. He had been drinking and eating pills. There was an argument. Spade began beating his wife Ella Mae. He forced his daughter to sit. "You are going to watch me kill her he said.") I won't write the description of it here.

The things Jerry Lee has done. Shooting his bass player in the chest. Came to his office and forgot his key. Shot 14 shots in the door and walked thru' it. A journalist guy was interviewing him at a gig. The guy said something he didn't like. He bust a rye bottle, jumped over the table and stuck it in his neck. My favourite is a thing that happens to a lot of us in bars. Some girl likes your music so some drunk boy friend wants to beat you up. On a break some real drunk cowboy comes staggering over to Jerry Lee and says y'know my old lady just loves you and your music. I think yer a pile of shit so y'know what I did? All yer records she has. I smashed every one of 'em. Jerry Lee says GOOD! now she's gotta go and buy 'em all over again.


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Ben

Location: New Jersey

Norm, I haven't read that particular book, what I was thinking of was the incident with one of Jerry Lee's wives who died mysteriously at his house in the 80's. There was a big Rolling stone article on the story and there was a quote from the sheriff saying something to the effect that Jerry Lee could do what ever he wants without being charged in the state of Mississippi. Kind of puts a different spin on his nickname.

There was an infamous case of a western swing star from the 50's who brutally murdered his wife, his name was Spade Cooley. At least he went to jail for his crime.

Then of course there are plenty of musicians who have reputations as being very difficult and unpleasant people to work with. I'm thinking of people like Van Morrison and Paul Simon. I read Dr. John's auto-biography many years ago, and he had some choice comments about working with Van on 'A Period of Transition'. Apparently, Van was extremely difficult to work, firing Ray Parker, Jr for some stupid reason which forced the Doctor to play guitar on the sessions and I seem to remember the Doctor suggesting that if he didn't respect Van's musical talents so much he would have likely cut him. literally cut him with a knife.


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brown eyed girl

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Warning...brown eyed girl is on a roll again so if not interested just scroll on by, scroll on by.....

Cathy Smith...Some aspects of her life I cannot relate to and I don't condone. I was fortunate that my Ma always stressed education. Not surprising as she skipped two grades herself. So no matter what experimentations in my life; I always had my education to fall back on and was never dependent on anyone. Cathy Smith's life was much more than accommodating men...Also we are referring to the late fifties and sixties here. It wasn't until the mid-seventies that women were really exposed to many possibilities....just as the Black Lives Matter movement is about blacks just want the same rights and respect and opportunities as their white brothers...Not more rights, not more respect, not more opportunities. Women wanted the same rights and respect and opportunities as the men in their families and the men in the world at large. However, as Alexis de Tocqueville has taught us...How can we have equality of opportunity when we don't have equality of condition??????? I'm also very frustrated that even my own brother who is the same age as Virgil is so surprised when.....The last time I saw him before the Pandemic it happened again where he reminded me of Niccolò Machiavelli and I called him on it and his response....How do you know about him? Uhhhh....My minor was in Political Science that's how I know about him. Or my PHD cousin...If I comment on something he questions it whereas if my brother says the same thing...Oh it must be true. It is true that my brother is super smart you know the kind....You ask him a question about history of any kind and he doesn't reply with a one line answer oh no you get a whole treatise on the topic. It's absolutely amazing how he just has to hear or see info once and it's locked in forever. I have different intelligences.....So then I asked him did you tell our cousin that I'm stupid or something as my brother always told me that when we were growing up.....I see this look on my brother's face like oh, oh....She's calling me out on something....but I was surprised as he said, no I just told him that you're annoying at times. I find myself annoying too so I was cool with his assessment.....;-D

In high school the boyzzz took industrial arts and the girls learned all about home economics. My teacher told us that even though we might want to have dreams and venture out into the world outside the home that we still needed to know how to cook, sew, take care of children. Well, in my life the two men I live and lived with....Excellent cooks and could take care of a household while I was the main earner. They earned money outside the home as well but their world was more precarious as one was in construction and one is a photographer/teacher. My work was always stable and came with benefits and pension. With Cathy Smith...The boyzzz loved to play with her but they did not respect or take her seriously. Some men's sense of entitlement...Even Dylan more than once reminds us that a woman's place is in the home. The women's movement fought for CHOICES IN A WOMAN'S LIFE. Raising children and taking care of a household is fine if that is your choice. Raising and nurturing children in particular....is the most sacred and should be valued the most in society no matter which sex but mostly it still falls upon women. So many of my female colleagues told me that by the time they took care of everyone they were only able to relax with wine by the time midnight rolled around. They are the real heroes....When the women's movement struggled with issues related to the politics of the household.... It wasn't in the cards for me for many reasons to have my own children but I nurtured children in the school system. Sometimes I failed them just as caregivers...We all did the best we could with the tools we had. In the school system it is so demanding because you have to navigate with the different personalities and skill levels of your students and then the personalities of their parents and their own issues as I had parents who were bi-polar, homeless, single-parent household, etc. Vice-Principal who is pressured by the Principal to meet certain standards and on and on and on. Everyone has an opinion because everyone went to school. Yeah, you try it. The other person I lived with came on a school trip. On purpose I gave him some challenging kidzzz to supervise as he thought my work was not as difficult as I had shared with him. We were at our Science Centre and yes although I had a group of my own I kept a keen eye on him....lol....I observed that he was running around trying to keep up with them and....He never doubted again why I was exhausted every day as these kidzzz were anywhere from 3-12 years old. Even Virgil who teaches at the College level doesn't have to deal with behavioural issues...His students want to be in his classes as they pay to be in these classes but....Occasionally when they challenge him or are obnoxious or admit to him that they are only in the class as their parent told them they have to be there....Well, all of a sudden he's so stressed out! Yes, welcome to my world as we don't have any say who walks into your classroom. Some years I had students who lived in a Women's Shelter or they were children of alcoholics, or they disclosed their own sexual abuse which I had to report pronto!! You have to be a caregiver, comedian, entertainer, facilitator of all kinds including conflict resolutions...All of this and I still I loved it for the first 14 years. After our political protest for two weeks gradually my energy was being zapped as I was becoming more and more demoralized. The year where I taught all the grades drama/dance, vocal music and gym and resource....One of my best years in many ways....same as the year where I had two students who had Asperger's Syndrome which is on the Autism spectrum.....Wow...Children for the most part enrich your life as those of you who are parents here know very well and yes....I am sure some of you had many challenges with some of your children as well. As for Cathy Smith...I do have compassion for her...She did have dreams....What I observed when female musicians became famous and acquired wealth....Some of them played with the boyzzz as well.....Power of fame....power of fortune.....And then there are the women like Rhianna and Janet Jackson who were drawn to men who were billionaires as they were tired of always having the most money in the relationship......

"Though she is remembered for her non-musical associations with performing artists, it’s easy to neglect the fact that Cathy Smith also had a burning desire to perform. It was around 1976 that she found work as a backing singer for folk musician Hoyt Axton.

Axton’s personal life was in a downward spiral at this point on account of his substance addiction, but his association with Cathy still yielded some musical merit. She co-wrote his chart hit “Flash of Fire,” but their association was not a long-lasting one. She soon found a much more lucrative line of business".

Dunc...Touche! The "Black Arrow" footballer was Gil Scott-Heron's father! How was he treated by the fans? I'm thinking of the black footballers who are treated to monkey noises directed at them. Some of our black hockey players also.... :-(

Pat B...Maybe check out Libraries? If no luck I can lend you mine. Paul G lent me one of the books on The Hawk. I sent it back to him and later found my own copy in a used music store that Bill M frequents.

Ben...I really like the song I Believe I Can Fly by RR Kelly. When I am at my lowest it really lifts my spirits. We knew about his thing for very young women...but when the women themselves started speaking out and giving us details about the "dark room"...These young women did not consent to the degrading perversions of this artist. When I saw Whitney Houston's funeral...I respect her career and have a few songs downloaded....RR Kelly was there too singing in her honour even though everyone apparently knew about his "other life"...He was protected by the music industry because he made money for them. Gospel singer Yolanda Adams did a great cover as well. And then Dylan with Sara just before she had enough was when apparently Bob hit her and yet he's the one who hit her. As a survivor...Really difficult...Sometimes when I listen my Dylan CDS, it's the very first thing I think about and other times.....Same with Marley...Love his as a musician...not sure if anyone will ever come close to what he lived and represented to the world...the world....to anyone who has felt oppressed....women as a social group have been oppressed...domestic violence one in five of us and I know of one man who is a survivor....most men cannot disclose when it happens to them and I know at least four who are survivors of sexual abuse....One was abused by a big brother....The group who is supposed to be a brother to those who don't have fathers...One who had a gay friend and the friend made unfounded assumptions....One who did some modelling....Again assumptions were made as not all male models are gay....obviously but these men are not millenials....One but....I remember writing a poem about the visual artist I was with for nine years on and off one line...He could give to humanity but not to a single individual....

The Band/The Band GB...Where is the diversity re "race", sexuality, even gender?? Well Robbie had "Take Your Partner By The Hand". I have a partner too..... ;-D


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Bill M

Johannesburg!


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Posted by:

b.lee

Location: USA

Subject: Gil Scott Heron

BEG, can't say I've delved deeply into Gil Scott, but remember him from the day. I seem to recall seeing a film segment, possibly in b&w, from back then. Rapping before Rap was a 'thing'. But Gil was not quite prophetic. The Revolution, it seems, will be televised. From multiple angles. What's the word?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Behavour

I have been saying that for years Ben. Some people are more interested in the actions like you read on National Enquirer.

As I have said before in Nick Tosches book "Country The Biggest Music in America" there is a whole chapter dedicated to Jerry Lee. One chapter is entitled "Stained Panties and Coarse Mataphors". This is from the 40's and 50's. These guys were tame. Digging into personal lives has never had anything to do with the music. Good example of crazy is Guy Terrifico.


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Come on folks, many other musicians were behaving in similar ways as Levon and Richard during these years. I'm sure we could very quickly come up with a list of our favorite musicians who behaved terribly in their personal lives. How about Miles Davis and Jerry Lee Lewis to start. Were they renowned for treating their wives and girlfriends well? Certainly, not.

Can we listen to and enjoy music without focusing on the personal lives of the artists who created the music? That's a question for each of us to answer, but for myself the answer in most cases is yes.


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Peter V

Cathy Smith's book is a sad tale indeed, and I agree that she was sinned against by a sequence of men. I rather doubt that the Levon tribute book will be quoting her, as Levon comes out as badly as any of them.She was on the 1976 tour as "Richard's nurse" and he refused to go without her which she says enraged the other partners who were pointedly not allowed to go on the tour.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Gil Scott Heron

Ah, but did you know that Gil Scott Heron’s dad was the first black player to play for Celtic, BEG.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Lisa, someone sent me a greatest hits from it years ago and you are correct. Still, it is a source (tawdry, it's true) for a number of big time music folks.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Actually, the more you delve into the private lives of these guys the more sordid and tawdry it becomes. Maybe I will save my $16.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Chasing the Dragon

Pat, it's really not that great a book ... I found mine years ago in an antique store in New Westminster, for $3 ... I just checked Abebooks and my gosh! the prices start at $45 and go to $375!!!

It's not particularly well written and is kind of ... self-serving is the best way I can put it. She portrays herself as the injured party throughout, which she often was, I guess. But I'm glad she's found some peace in Maple Ridge (of all places) after a life with so much turmoil. Just about the first thing I ever posted here years ago was a defense of her, actually - she really was treated pretty shabbily by various Band members.


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Pat B

BEG, I've posted Winter In America any number of times on my FB page. Just last week for obvious reasons. I loved the Last Poets too. And I am jealous as that Cathy Smith book is hard to track down.

Another example of the author's strange lack of curiosity: Richard snorts heroin before the SNL appearance. "A doctor administered a shot to counteract the effects, yet Manuel was not in good shape." I mean, c'mon.

Ben, the description of the machinations that led to the reunion encompass all of two paragraphs and seem to rest on Harold Kudlets suggestion to do so. The author flatly states that "Levon also included the Cate Brothers Band" which to me, at least, belabors the obvious. There is also Levon's "8 sounds better than 5". The sourcing for this segment is practically non-existent and includes a gig at University of Chicago--supposedly the second one after Joyous Lake--that I don't believe happened.

Anytime she quotes John Donabie, the narrative picks up. A lot from our old friend Butch Dener too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Gil Scott-Heron

A rat done bit my sister Nell

And whitey’s on the moon

Her face and arms began to swell

But whitey’s on the moon


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm and The Band[edit]

"Smith became notorious in the Belushi case, but her association with celebrities went back at least 20 years prior to her confession in the National Enquirer. Her earliest acquaintance was with Levon Helm, who later joined the Band, in 1963.[5] In his autobiography, Helm recalls that Smith first met him in Hamilton, Ontario.[6] Helm, with friend and bandmate Rick Danko, was in a band called the Hawks at the time (see Ronnie Hawkins). At one point, the musicians were in Toronto facing a drug bust.[7]

Smith has been connected to the Band's famous song, "The Weight" (1968).[8] Smith says in Rock and Roll Toronto: From Alanis to Zeppelin (1997),[9] that Richard Manuel offered to marry her, but she refused.[8] Nevertheless, she continued to tour and party with Helm, Danko, and Manuel through the 1960s, and at one point became pregnant with a child known as "the band baby," as its paternity was unclear.[10] She later had an affair with Gordon Lightfoot. After the affair ended, Smith returned to Helm and the circle whose members made up The Band.[citation needed]"

These days, Cathy Smith’s life is one of suburban peace and quiet. She lives in Maple Ridge, British Columbia, and for her, the past is a very long time ago. Although you wouldn’t know it just looking at her, around thirty years ago she was one of the most notorious women in show business.

But long before those days, long before the drugs, the homicide and the jail sentence, she was a common or garden groupie. Her first high profile relationship was with the musician Levon Helm. Levon would eventually make a name for himself in the legendary group The Band. But when he met Cathy he was still a struggling journeyman with a band known as The Hawks.

That was 1963, and by the time The Band had formulated and begun to gather some momentum, Cathy Smith was still very much on the scene. Thanks to a successful gig as the backing band for newly electrified Bob Dylan, The Band was on the cusp of mainstream success.

Cathy was still touring with them and partying hard. It was in the late ’60s that she became pregnant with what was then known as “the band baby.” The reason? No one could say for sure just who the father was, though they knew it was one of the band.

Cathy Smith – “The Weight”

Richard Manuel, the pianist, offered to marry her but she graciously declined. At that point in her life, Cathy was not cut out for monogamy. She was a larger than life character leading an outrageous rock ‘n’ roll lifestyle. She has even been immortalized by a brief mention in the lyrics to The Band’s biggest hit, and one of the greatest rock songs of all time, “The Weight.”

It was the early ’70s when Cathy Smith started working for Gordon Lightfoot. Lightfoot was and still is one of Canada’s premier singer-songwriters. His work in the folk-rock genre is nothing short of legendary. A testament to the enduring quality of his music comes from the fact that he has been covered by the likes of Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, and Bob Dylan. Accolades don’t come much more prestigious than that.

In the early ’70s, Lightfoot was a married man, but that didn’t stop him from engaging in a fiery affair with Cathy. The relationship was tempestuous, to say the least, and brought out a fiercely jealous streak in Lightfoot. He is reported to have fired his opening act, The Good Brothers, after catching them flirting with Cathy Smith backstage.

But the affair was doomed from the start and quickly headed downhill. Lightfoot was drinking heavily, while Cathy’s substance abuse had escalated significantly too. It seemed that while Lightfoot’s career was taking off, his personal life was sliding into the sewer. One physical altercation resulted in a broken cheekbone for Cathy. This was an affair that was destined to end very badly indeed.

Lightfoot’s biggest hit, “Sundown,” is said to be a raw and personal account of his extramarital liaisons with Cathy, and the jealousy that ensued from them. It is a song of paranoia, obsession and tormented love that resonates strongly to this day. In 1974, it reached number one in the US Billboard charts, Lightfoot’s only song to do so. It remains an enduring hit, though its personal associations are no doubt still troubling.

Cathy Smith and Keith Richards. Throughout the duration of their relationship, Gordon Lightfoot remained a married man. But by the time he and Cathy Smith split up, Gordon’s wife had called time on their marriage too. There’s a bitter irony to the fact that the peak of his commercial success also brought what was then the most expensive divorce settlement Canada had ever seen.

After her split from Lightfoot, Cathy drifted back to Levon Helm and The Band. They continued to tour, and she followed them around the world. By then it was the mid-1970s and The Band were bona fide rock legends. They made a guest appearance on the hit comedy show Saturday Night Live in 1976, and that was when she met a young comedian named John Belushi. Little did either of them know, but they were to have a shattering effect on each other’s lives.

Though she is remembered for her non-musical associations with performing artists, it’s easy to neglect the fact that Cathy Smith also had a burning desire to perform. It was around 1976 that she found work as a backing singer for folk musician Hoyt Axton.

Axton’s personal life was in a downward spiral at this point on account of his substance addiction, but his association with Cathy still yielded some musical merit. She co-wrote his chart hit “Flash of Fire,” but their association was not a long-lasting one. She soon found a much more lucrative line of business.

By the tail end of the ’70s, Cathy was a full-blown opiate addict and pusher. She had relocated to Los Angeles and established herself as a drug dealer to the stars, couriering all manner of substances for the likes of Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood of the Rolling Stones."

BWNWILos Angeles... :-D

Lisa! I guess I'm the only one here who knows the music of Gil Scott-Heron....

Pat B.... Thanks to a former GB poster I do have Cathy Smith's book. She was looking for love in all the wrong places. It happens to the best of us unfortunately.

Westie... I don't do drugs like Advil and such. I'm high on music...and nitrous oxide every three months. :-D


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Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Pat, It sounds like this author hasn't done a very thorough job in research. I'm not that interested in the basement tapes period. That's been quite documented. Although it's unfortunate that it's not described accurately. I'm more interested in any new information regarding the reformed Band. That period has been less well documented. Any explanation for hiring the Cate Bros to replace Robbie or the rumors about Albert Lee or Richard Thompson that you mentioned a few weeks ago.

Some interesting anecdotes about Don Felder and the Eagles. I haven't read his book or any of the other books on the Eagles, so I don't have much of an opinion about his issues with Frey and Henley. I enjoy the music of the Eagles, they were very talented guys, but their music doesn't mean nearly as much to me as The Band or any of my other favorites. I recently saw an episode of Documentary Now called 'Blue Jean Committee' which is about was a fictitous 70's band based partially on the Eagles. It's very funny, I'd highly recommend it. anyone


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Posted by:

Wallsend

Thanks for that Pat. That is disappointing to read. Levon's fans seem big on 'alternate facts', especially when it comes to the 66-8 period and the TLW.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I finished the new Levon bio yesterday. It's available on Kindle. An awful lot of her source material has an "hiof" link to it, so much so that Jan could claim he drove her to the library and should demand compensation. What struck me is how much primary material the author didn't use. She seemed to simply search for people effusively complimenting Levon. She also is not very rigorous. As we know, 1966-68 is a hugely crucial period, transforming The Hawks into The Band. We also know that Levon missed much of that transformation. The author seems to purposely cloud that period. For instance, she admits that most of the BT were recorded before Levon arrived, and she claims that the Hawks brought their own wide musical experiences to the table. However she follows it with a Levon quote that he turned Dylan on to obscure Impressions tracks, blues, and mountain music, all of which is inaccurate in the context of the BT--and probably ridiculous in regards to Dylan's encyclopedic knowledge of folk and mountain music. Another weird forced connection. She quotes Levon as saying Dylan's influence on The Hawks--including him--was profound, "one of the highlights of my musical career." But she couples that with Garth saying that they left the 12 bar blues behind to concentrate on songs once they moved into Big Pink. First off, Levon quit Dylan because he hated it. Second, Levon wasn't there when Garth and the boys moved into Big Pink. Again, she seems to be placing Levon somewhere he wasn't. Finally, the question of Levon returning to Woodstock is glossed over. The best the author comes up with is September of 1967 with Danko badgering Grossman to get them signed. Suddenly Levon arrives. Now I've never analyzed how many BT songs from the BT complete Levon played on, but there aren't many. Yet the author has Levon in the basement with the Hawks and Dylan four times a week--"sometimes every day"--making up lyrics on the infamous typewriters, stretching their creativity on tracks never meant for public consumption, simply demos for other artists to cover. Sorry, but that is a stretch beyond breaking point. It also counters every verifiable timetable that is available in the somewhat large collection of info on the BT.

I've said my piece on the Fued. The author makes no attempt to rectify the credits on MFBP against Levon's argument about the collective songwriting nature of the group. Levon constantly lobbies for Garth to be listed as a songwriter, yet Garth has famously insisted he wasn't a songwriter, respected the songwriters for what they could do, and regarded his role in the group a something entirely different. I guess that conundrum never piqued the author's curiosity.

What I did learn was that Levon was indeed upset with RR before 1983 but not enough to say anything in public about it. There are some hints of a child support case in the mid-80's and there is a single terse sentence that RR was not invited to participate in the reunion. She doesn't source this. Again, I believe this period is the real source for Levon's anger, and there are folks who could have addressed what went on between Levon and RR at this time.

I would have thought the Garth Brooks thing would have merited a mention. Hard to believe the author didn't know about it or regarded it as unimportant.

The author is a drummer and her analysis of Levon's playing is very good. I don't know that a normal reader would be able to follow her somewhat technical analysis. She also extols Levon's ability to play and sing at the same time. Now I'd have no trouble arguing that Levon is my favorite singing drummer, but a whole helluva lot of great singers play instruments at the same time at the same level, including Levon on mandolin, guitar, and bass. I realize people make a big deal about Levon's playing and singing, but that doesn't seem to be that unique a thing. I realize that's a quibble.


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Posted by:

Wallsend

You can read some extracts from Sanda Tooze's book on Amazon through the 'look inside' function. There are only a few pages about Levon's early life but it looks quite interesting.


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Posted by:

Lisa

That's an interesting point about reading, Norm. The same thing has happened to me, who used to read books obsessively, at least a couple a week. The more I got into computers the less time I spent reading actual books though, and I've noticed it's harder and harder to concentrate on a printed page, though I can read on my laptop for hours (and do). It's kind of scary, but I could actually feel my brain changing over time, and it's not my imagination, either.

Did you know that almost all ginger tabbies are male? I don't know why this is so, but it is. Also they have a reputation for being very amiable and friendly (FU notwithstanding) ...


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The age of Netflix documentary

The enthusiasm of reading the books is leaving me. I still read some but I've got so many books in my library I haven't got to when I stand in front of those library shelves looking at them it tires me out.

For years I was a great fan of Wilbur Smith. The South African man who wrote so many great novels that are very long. 600+ pages. I have quite a collection of them. I used to get into those books and go 'till 2 or 3 in the morning. Now I pick up the book and I'm lucky if I get 5 pages done before I'm asleep.

BWNW! How is LA treating you? You must stay busy we don't hear much from you any more. Have you been trampled by the masses recently.

Bill, Kevin J and BEG. How are things going for you folks out there with this pandemic really. I ask because on the news things still look pretty difficult. Trying to get things opened up and people working looks like it's some chaos getting things to work. It doesn't affect us too much here really as we seldom go out to eat. Sometimes there is a line up at the grocery store but we have our senior's hour in the morning and we rarely go to the store here anyway. I go once a month to the super store in Campbell River and get most everything we need. Susan has the hardest part of it. The facility where she works out every day has been shut down since this started. Also the swimming pool. Her and a group of her ladies have taken to walking laps on the track up at the high school. I work on my boats and in my garden so there is no change for me.

Some of you will get a kick out of this. I have this big ginger cat named Flynn I acquired from my daughter. After a few years now as cats are this entire house is his. At the outside edge of my desk is a big long window. Soon after we moved into this house a year ago he right away found how the sun comes thru' that window about 10 until 2. He lays on the back side of my monitor in the sun on my desk. Now he has taken to very quietly walking around through all my pictures and stuff on my desk and laying down right in front of me and right on my mouse. I ask him to move he just looks at me with this fuck you look on his face.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Levon"s book

I am a big fan of biographies, especially about historical figures. Its amazing how the lens can change when looking at the same event. A good example is Manchester's Churchill's volumes versus Nigel Hamilton's works comparing FDR and Churchill as military leaders.

Manchester, as I recall, sometimes paints FDR as naive with respect to military matters and Hamilton does the exact opposite.

Good scholarship triangulates many sources to piece together a factual understanding of an event or character. However, interpretation then can draw an analysis in different directions among historians.

Obviously, there will be many, many common events that Levon's book and OWB and Testimony will share.

Let's see how the interpretations compare. Out in the US on August 26th.

Joe


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Levon book

It's released late September in the UK. I ordered a copy, but from what I've read on the net it sounds extremely one-sided. Still, I'll give it a chance.


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: NY

Subject: Levon: From Down in the Delta to the Birth of The Band and Beyond

There are some positive comments about Sandra Tooze's new biography of Levon on Amazon. Looking forward to its release.

Joe


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BWNWILos Angeles

I know three different people who worked with Don Felder in very different capacities, and all three had negative things to say about him. Not in the sense that he's a terrible human being, but more along the lines of being a rather self-centered prima donna who's not very easy to work with. Henley and Frey didn't seem like wonderful people to have to be in a band with, either, but I have more sympathy for what they did after hearing some of the Felder stories. I can imagine he must have driven them up the wall, and trying to demand an equal share in the 1990s was a pretty boneheaded move in my opinion. But he did get a settlement, so hopefully everyone involved ended up happy in the long run. I will say he's a very talented musician, and puts on a good show. Hope you're making it through the Covid okay, BEG.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Norm. It's beautiful stuff, and the guy who posted it all really did a fine job of also making sure the comments sections are interesting and helpful. One of those guys - a shitload of great songs, a great voice, but not a great deal of luck in the industry. Though obviously Brian Ahern tried to help. I wish I could remember the title, but one of his early songs - from 1969 - made the b-side of an indie 45 by a Toronto band called the Humble Sponge (whose leader went on to be an awesome and long-serving member of Toronto's city council. The a-side was titled Barrabas and was heavy and dark. The Carpenter I remember as lovely and bright. Anyway, it's a blast hearing that you worked with him.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: The Believer Bob Carpenter

Bill, here is one of the ones Bob wanted me to record. This is a great song and Bob does a great job. It's funny this fellow who has put this to youtube has a bit of a nice note he has explained how he came by this. He has put pictures to the song and wouldn't you know one really nice shot is a tug with a ramp barge much like mine pulling away.

Put a lump in my throat. Bob Carpenter was areal gentleman, soft, quiet and sincere. The kind of fellow you enjoy being around.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The cassette

Bill it wasn't a produced cassette as you would buy. It was just like a work cassette.

I think that brown eyed girl is on drugs. Her eyes were pretty wobbly the last time I looked at her :-)......:-).....ooooh my.

You talk about things you have posted! none of us could ever read them all!!! We'd never get anything else done.


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Posted by:

Pat B

The "system" we keep referring to is a much larger concept called "intellectual property." and there is nothing inherently unfair about it. IP covers a vast array of creative work including song writing. The Band established on MFBP that the song writers would get paid for the extra work they did writing the songs. They established their own publishing company on the second album in which they were all equal owners. Generally every dollar paid for song usage is split equally between the publishing company and the writers. The Band had another company that distributed profits from record sales and concerts.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Felder would record guitar ideas at home and send a cassette to Henley and Frey. The latter two would pick something they liked and expand on it if so moved. Recall too that Felder was forced to re-write large portions of his book before Henley and Frey would let it be released. An incomplete story.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Eagles

I couldn’t find the beginning of the disagreement - what’s the story? I’m not a fan at all and I would encourage their proponents to remember that popularity and quality don’t always intersect. Sometimes they do though: Beatles and Levis come to mind.


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Posted by:

Lisa

Gil Scott-Heron - wow, he was something else. That "B Movie" - can you imagine what he'd have to say about everything that's happened since Trump? Though you could practically just change the names ... what a powerful voice he was! Thanks, beg!

Has anybody been watching Laurel Canyon? Part 2 airs tonight. Talk about a trip down Memory Lane - sure brings back a lot of memories.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Norm: The Bob Carpenter cassette may have been a copy of the LP, which apparently got caught up in a legal tangle, with almost all copies of the album left in a warehouse. That was in the mid-'70s. It didn't come out until a decade later, when Holger Peterson acquired the rights and released it on his Stony Plain label. The only other recording I have by Carpenter is a track that Holger had recorded when he was just a lowly disc jockey on the campus radio station at the University of Alberta. He was a go-getter, and released a comp LP of songs by his radio guests (among them Brent Titcomb, Joe Hall and Humphrey and the Dumptrucks.) Calle "The Acme Sausage Company" after the radio show.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Right you are Westie. WTF? I'm blaming it on this Covid-19 which has been giving me a foggy brain and messing me up!
Henley and Felder sharing? I better reread book and get back to you sometime. I even have the double DVD History of The Eagles as well......Time to take a break from posting about The Eagles. Yiiiiiikes!

"Visions" from One of These Nights (Don Felder & Don Henley)
"Too Many Hands" from One of These Nights (Felder & Randy Meisner)
"Victim of Love" from Hotel California (Felder, Henley, Glenn Frey, and J. D. Souther)
"Hotel California" from Hotel California (Felder, Henley, and Frey)
"The Disco Strangler" from The Long Run (Felder, Henley and Frey)
"Those Shoes" from The Long Run (Felder, Henley and Frey)
Eagles song featuring Felder on lead vocal[edit]
"Visions" from One of These Nights

I may have posted this one before as my brain is fried today....I really like it as it reminds me of my fave Van and his bandmates playing on a bus going to another gig....

Amy Helm & The Handsome Strangers perform "Acadian Driftwood" (The Band) in the van on the roads of Quebec, Canada!

Amy Helm - vocals / percussion
Daniel Littleton - vocals / guitar
Byron Isaacs - vocals / bass ukelele
David Berger - harmoniu

We live as we dream.
Alone
Unknown


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

In an ancient mystic nation that is torn, riding through the eye of the storm. The official music video for the song "Eye Of The Storm" by Pablo Dylan.

Dag...If by chance you can find Pablo Dylan's rap On Top Of The World so that the Canadians can hear. When I checked I cannot access it here. Not sure how I downloaded it years ago. :-D

If you want to destroy a woman.
Marry her.
Marilyn French


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Posted by:

Norm J

Subject: Wrong again

BEG if you look on song writing credits Don Felder cowrote 6 songs with Eagles. His albums after eagles has more. In his musicians who worked on his solo albums Timothy Schmitt Eagles bassist worked with him along with many other musicians.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan’s Grandson Pablo (Jessie Dylan's son) Explains Why He Went From Hip-Hop (Top Of The World no longer plays here but maybe in US and Europe? to Folk-Rock
He’s just 23, but Pablo Dylan already says he wants to be “the biggest star in the world”
By ANDY GREENE
MARCH 25, 2019

Norm...All I meant is that Don Felder creates guitar licks as he did for Hotel Cali...He is not a writer as Levon isn't and The Wailers weren't. Their stories are similar in that the main writer/s receive most of the money because of the way the system is set up....I guess it's a form of systemic...Don stood up to Henley and Frey and paid a huge price as they wouldn't allow him back into the band. Total respect for Felder. Unfortunately, by the time he returned home his partner was so used to not having him home...She didn't need him home anymore.

Being different forces you to be an original.
Unknown


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Lisa and bass_lee......I used The String Quartet Tribute To Bob Dylan Compilation Various Artists, Vitamin String Quartet to explore dance movement/dance stories with the kidzzz. I never told them what the songs were about as I wanted them to be as free as possible to feel the music and explore their own interpretations and then share with each other.

Last 5 This Morning on Shuffle

Eddie Money (former police officer ...Save A Little Room In Your Heart
Garbage...Only Happy When It Rains
Pablo Dylan...Dylan's Grandson started rapping here and apparently now has gone Country Norm!)...Top Of The World
Pitbull...featuring Marc Anthony...Rain Over Me (When this song was playing in a Habana, Cuban taxi...I asked if the driver could turn it up!)
Serena Ryder...What I wouldn't Do (only track I have of hers Bill M)....Actually at TLW...Big time Bill. Big time Bill...was about the Bill M who posts in The Band GB.

jan h...Good to see that you posted Robbie and MacLean article that I posted here on November 13/19

Dag and Kevin J...I also have Musician Magazine September 1987...The Debut of Robbie Robertson The Band's Leader Comes Back Strong

On World
One Prayer


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bob Carpenter

Bill some where back in my mind I seem to recall you and I discussing Bob long ago. He lived in Gibsons after moving west. I played music with him a few times. Some where back in a cabinet of cassettes I have kept is a cassette he gave me I think around 1982 or so. It as some of those songs on it you referred to. He wanted me to record either one or two I don't quite remember. I'll have to see if I can find it.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Eagles

BEG I have seen Don Felder's book years ago. Never got around to reading it all. Watched hours of interviews, and read many articles. I am more inclined to believe much of what Don Felder has to say. There is a video where Don Felder explains how he wrote the music for Hotel California. He was on the beach when he was 22 with an acoustic guitar noodling around and the music came to him. He went home and recorded it on an old reel to reel he had so he wouldn't forget it. In another video Don Henley explains how driving down the freeway coming into LA there is the bright light in the sky of the city which motivated his first lines. "On a dark desert high way...........up ahead in the distance I saw a shimmering light.

Looking at the wealth of those guys, Don Felder had two law suits for about 50 million each. They settled for an undisclosed amount. He is worth about 60 million so he didn't go hungry, however Don Henley is reportedly worth 250 million so he certainly got the lion's share.

As I understand it if all the reports are true, Randy Meisner and Bernie Leadon just walked away and early in the game and although they had shares in Eagles Ltd just let them go and got nothing but the money they earned. So Randy Meisner has about a mere 19 million.

The crazy life of that business is shown in some of the drug crazed life of some. Chuck Negron of Three Dog Night I watched on some show way back when. He had started giving speeches in high schools and colleges on drugs. He is supposed to have blown 50 million on drugs and partying and ended up broke. It's hard to imagine.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Some People (1962)

A further 1960s retrospective, SOME PEOPLE from 1962. Directed by Clive Donner, and featuring Kenneth More. The real stars are the five young Bristol kids, played by Ray Brooks, David Hemmings, Angela Douglas, Anneke Wills and David Andrews. It’s unusual for 1962, as it’s full colour, filmed on real Bristol locations and while it revolves around music, it uses actors rather than pop stars (and supplies music from The Eagles … the UK band … and Valerie Mountain, neither of them stars. Yet the soundtrack EP was a major hit. It was sponsored by the Duke of Edinburgh Award scheme to show how kids lives could be changed, but the didactic bit is subservient to the main story.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Subject: Tweedy remembrance

““One time I had Rick Danko from the Band tell me that I sound desperate when I sing, and that I should never allow myself to not sound desperate.” Excerpt From A Memoir of Recording and Discording with Wilco, Etc. Jeff Tweedy This material may be protected by copyright.


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Bill M

Location: Tronto
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Subject: wheels within wheels

After posting about Bob Carpenter's "Gypsy Boy", I decided to play another of his songs that were on YouTube. Looking at the comments, I learned that Carpenter's sister is the mother of Serena Ryder, a big singer here, if not elsewhere. (Like Amy Helm, Emmylou Harris, etc., she does a duet on Blackie and the Rodeo Kings' "Kings and Queens" album).

In the '60s, Serena Ryder's father, Glen Sorzano, was a member of the Debonairs, a Caribbean-Canadian band that had a huge local hit with "Steel Men" in 1962. (We talked here about this six months or so ago.) The leader, Dave Martins, left and formed the Tradewinds, also with Sorzano, who had an enormous hit in the Caribbean with "Honeymooning Couple". Martins told me it was based on an old cabbie joke. Old because he'd heard it from his brother-in-law, six or seven years before. He was very surprised when I told him that it dates back the the 1890s, if not earlier. (I knew this only because I happened to have just read author Joyce Cary's reminiscences of his childhood back then - and he mentions it.)


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Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Buddy Cage

I looked on the back of singer-songwriter Bob Carpenter's only LP and noticed that Buddy Cage was on a couple of songs. Here's one of them, "Gypsy Boy", which was subsequently recorded by Billy Joe Shaver. The Shaver is great, with lots of mandolin, but the original is spooky-brilliant. Nothing but stringed instruments - Paul Armin and Ben Mink on violins, Buddy Cage on steel, producer Brian Ahern on 12-string and Skip Beckwith on bass.

The album, "Silent Passage", was recorded by Ahern over a period of three years, '71-'74, I suppose a pet project to do something with a great, unrecognized talent. Some of the later tracks have Emmylou and LA session guys, but this particular track would have been done in '71, when Buddy was one of Ahern's usual gang in Toronto (for Anne Murray recordings and the like). Armin was in Lighthouse, and Ben Mink (later very successful from his work with kd lang) was doing bits and pieces around Toronto. Beckwith was an old musical buddy of Ahern's from their days in Halifax.


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brown eyed girl

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Lisa again!
The very first Gil Scott-Heron poem/song) I heard. I was in University and whoever knew his music was in our club automatically.

'B' Movie (Intro, Poem, Song) · Gil Scott-Heron
Reflections ℗ 1981 Arista Records


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brown eyed girl

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Hellooooo Lisa! I love Gil Scott-Heron!! He is a brilliant writer who comments and critiques about the reality of many people. Mr. Maximus, his partner and I saw the Doc years ago at one of our revue Theatres. I remember I was for some reason really hungry so I bought quickly and brought in a middle eastern wrap from a nearby restaurant. I know that you're not supposed to....doesn't stop me. As a matter of fact I always bring in my own popcorn, etc. Not just because I'm a frugalista but because I'm a foodie and don't like what's available in the Theatres. Here's one of my other faves because of the message, the spacey groove....
Keep posting!! It's just you and me....and the boyzzzz. ;-D


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brown eyed girl

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"The need for change is long overdue... and it is here. Finally. Toronto Raptors players, coaches, executives and staff, along with MLSE Chairman Larry Tanenbaum, deliver a powerful message of hope and love."

Toronto Raptors
I Can't Breathe

I Can't Breathe
brown eyed girl
Women's Lives Matter
Let's All Breathe Together

Heaven and Hell: My Life in the Eagles (1974-2001) Paperback – April 1, 2009

"The Eagles are the bestselling, and arguably the tightest-lipped, American group ever. Now band member and guitarist Don Felder finally breaks the Eagles’ years of public silence to take fans behind the scenes. He shares every part of the band’s wild ride, from the pressure-packed recording studios and trashed hotel rooms to the tension-filled courtrooms, and from the joy of writing powerful new songs to the magic of performing in huge arenas packed with roaring fans."

Hey Norm check out book as I couldn't put it down.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg Talk Sexism, Equality in New Doc...Highly recommended.
“I ask no favor for my sex,” Supreme Court Justice says".....

“All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.”

haso...Sure you can obtain my email via Norm?

Peter...I am really enjoying any film with Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland...especially if Mickey is either playing drums or piano. Also I was reminded today when we saw Ava Gardner in The Sun Also Rises...Both of us read the book in school...at different times of course....I want to see more of her films. I have no idea why I sold her autobiography. Sometimes I just downsize too much....lol


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BONK

Subject: Kevin J

Hey Kevin. How are you? Yes, I'm trying to be careful but I think I've had enough.


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jh

Web: My link

Subject: The amazing adventures of Toronto’s greatest songwriter

Extensive article/interview from Toronto Life magazine, first published in October 2019, now available on-line.


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Bill M

The Eagles of Bristol were preceded by a US doo-wop Eagles who recorded "Trying To Get To You" before Elvis. 45 on Mercury (or perhaps Wing). On a very worthy CD comp of Mercury R&B from the '50 - Buddy and Ella Johnson, Clean-Head Vinson, Professor Longhair, et al.


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Peter V

The next film review due from me will include The Eagles.

However, this is the ORIGINAL Eagles, a band from Bristol UK in 1962!


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Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Take it to the Limit

This song was Eagles first million seller. Randy Meisner started writting the song and got Glen Frey to help him finish it. This concert in Washington in 1977 was the best this song was ever done.

In another concert later Randy had the flu and was strung out on drugs and he wouldn't do the song. He knew he couldn't do the high ending is why Glen freaked on him. It was their million seller and Glen was just using Randy. Watch Glen in this video. He's just about getting his rocks off listening to Randy. He just wanted everyone to make his show.


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Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Don Felder

To say that Don Felder's story is the same as Levon Helm's is nuts. Nothing the same. Don Felder wrote music that had nothing to do with anyone and he proved it. He didn't just whine like Levon did (just as when he quit the Band the first time). That's a stupid comparison. Don Felder was fired by Glen and Don. Except that he owned shares in "Eagles". You can't fire a share holder. You have to buy their shares (which cost about $100,000,000).

For any one to say the Eagles had no talent, then how did they write some of the greatest songs ever that have lasted through time. They sold more albums than anyone else in the USA. That's really a no talent. Some of the best musicians. Randy Meisener was every bit as good a bassist as Rick Danko.

Some of the comments made here sometimes are either just plain uninformed or for the purpose of "great debate"


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haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: Post

Damn, Angelina (or as Norm says, Evangelina, only I think that's him channeling LH and Emmy Lou from the TLW studio sessions), I'm tangential to your hollering out "Whipping Post" w/ Kevin... just hoping it was you: "Play all Night". Just kidding, only Virgil, Peter or Norm would be the right age demographic for that ultra-famous holler (at least to Allman Bros aficianados). Almost like "Judas", just an entirely different vibe.

Would you be talking Gregg's memoirs or EC's? I've not read, or otherwise, EC's but have lent out "Not my Cross to Bear" at least twice.

Great rework of the classic physics equation. Also enjoyed your story of the prep school kid... went to one myself (my parents worked there so it was free), met a lot of "landed gentry" types; as did our boy, at an even more "exclusive" spot. Fortunately, he ultimately didn't "get above his raisin'", as Ricky Skaggs warns.

Sounds like you must teach ESL or such like, another reason perhaps to converse off-line. Anyway, that "Racist Friend" YouTube particularly interests me. Not just the lyrics, but the choice of brass from the horn section. Might one of those even be the high school or peck horns that John Simon played on the brown album? Definitely different than the standard trumpet/trombone duality.

Not sure that I'm qualified to comment on Mr. Hyden's list that Kevin puts us onto. Other than Peter's probably "dead balls accurate", but many in the 30 to 45 year old crowd doubtless hold Mr. Cobain in higher regard, than we might. Though I'll dive in enough to say, I might have moved Fillmore East, Little Feat to lower #'s and snuck in RofA somehow.


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Lisa

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From 1971. I heard this on CBC this afternoon, and it yanked my attention away from what I was doing. Timely and prescient. Of course, it IS being televised, and good thing too - visual proof. Thought you all would appreciate it too.


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brown eyed girl

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....and one more to honour another Eagle. Soooooo much talent in this band. Anyone who says that they suck or they don't have any talent....
Be quiet so I can listen to them and not you. ;-D


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brown eyed girl

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.....Oh and of course I was also sooooooo disappointed to see The Eagles and not see and hear Randy Meisner hit those high notes!! Unfortunately I read that Glen Frey would really let you have it if you missed those notes. Yiiikes he was..... :-(


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brown eyed girl

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Finally saw The Eagles at Air Canada Centre during my sabbatical year off. Of course I knew that I would be really disappointed that Don Felder would not be present this time but it was my only chance. At least Bernnie Leadon would be there. If you read Felder's memoir...same story as The Wailers, Levon Helm....


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brown eyed girl

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George Harrison and Billy Preston!


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Wallsend

Of course, I also love Before the Flood (and I am still hoping for a multi-cd collection in the Bootleg series) but I thought it had a harshness about it that was missing from the Bangla Desh performance. Not surprisingly really as it was part of multi-city tour whereas Bangla Desh was a one off show.


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Kevin J

“If you like our tuning so much, I hope you will enjoy the playing more"

Still one of the funniest lines ever uttered at a rock show and a perfectly polite response to the cloth-eared fans who had thought the great man had already started his show !

Above reference to Ravi Shankar, of course and the fans at MSG for the Concert for Bangladesh.

My strongest memory of that show - and it has been a couple of decades since seeing it - was just how relaxed and confident George Harrison was on stage and that his playing and singing were great. A far cry from almost all other live performances of his that would follow where he always seemed most uncomfortable......I had remembered Dylan looked good but was a bit out of tune, though I might be wrong on that as it has been a while. I still love Before the Flood as Dylan’s best live and I also love his 1978 live shows. Pat B once posted a truly stunning live version of Tangled Up in Blue from Paris in 78. .”Startling” I think he called it and it was.


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Wallsend

I always liked the Concert for Bangla Desh. I think it is Dylan's best live recording.


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Peter V

Interesting list, but totally cloth-eared. #1 was OK, but it isn't the best … with live albums you write in #1, Bob Marley & The Wailers "Live At The Lyceum" then you work from there. No competition. Whether Live 1966, Rock of Ages or The Last waltz is #2 is another matter (and it might be one of them) OR Otis Redding Live in Europe, but anyone who considers Nirvana Unplugged even listenable knows nothing about music.


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Kevin J

On the subject of lists, I would strongly recommend that folks here take a look at item 4 on Expecting a Rain today - The Best Live Albums Of All Time, Ranked - by Steven Hyden. Very nicely put together which is a rare thing in the list area of things.


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brown eyed girl

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So...What do ya do when you're in quarantine while everyone else is out either enjoying this beautiful day or out connecting with everyone on the streets of their city? I think Norb has a photo of me protesting for students back in the day. Toef has one when I had punky hair in University....What's up Toef???? I sent him a CD a mixed brown eyed girl one and he told me not to send it as he won't receive it as someone would steal it in Algeria and sure enough he received a post card from NYC from me but no CD.....I sure hope the thief loved my music selections.......

I am sorting my books for children. Every shelf I have my books sorted by genres...Music, Poetry, Cookbooks, Children, Health, Art, Photography, Literature, Politics. I thought I'd share some of my all time fave books I have for children and that maybe some of you might be interested if you have your own children or maybe you're a Grandpa or Grandma...I actually called them my Pop and my Baba. Or maybe you don't have your own children but you're a special Uncle or Aunt. Here goes...

A Caribbean Dozen Poems From Caribbean Poets

The Big Book For Peace Poems and very short stories

Jelly Belly is my fave of many...Canadian Dennis Lee

One Love...Cedella Marley...Based on the song by Bob Marley adapted by Cedella Marley...(One of my classes made their own books to take home.)

One parent who taught Early Childhood Educators gave me this book as a gift...Take A Deep Breath...Little lessons from flowers for a happier world...Allison Scotland..."My Garden taught me...that we can all live together."
She also gave me this one too. I taught her daughter in JK, SK and grade 1...Three years of total bliss...She was a gifted child who was kind to everyone.
Only One You..."There is only one you in this great big world. Make it a better place."...Linda Kranz...

I did yoga with my classes as well as having a yoga club...The ABCs of Yoga for Kids...Teresa Anne Power
A Child's Garden Of Yoga...Baba Hari Dass A Child's Garden Of Yoga

I found this one in NYC about a boy in Paris, France beautiful photography...The Red Balloon...A. Lamorisse

The True Story Of The 3 Little Pigs...A.Wolf As told to Jon Scieszka...My Ma couldn't read English when I was really young but she told me stories and one of them was about the big bad wolf even across the Atlantic Ocean. This is a must read for everyone to learn that just because you hear constant repetitive stories about a big bad wolf or Robbie and Levon and brown eyed girl and....Always two sides....

When I taught the Jr. Grades I read to them these Zen books that another parent gave me as gifts who was a lawyer. She gave me The Three Questions and I bought the other two as they are special because most of us weren't taught to be zen like....
Zen Ties...Jon J Muth

Zen Shorts...Jon J Muth

The Three Questions...Jon J Muth

Romeo and Juliet...Illustrated by Margaret Early

All the Angelina books...First one was Angelina Ballerina...was the very first one I bought during intermission at the Sony Centre where I saw my all time fave ballet...Onegin. (few times now) It was during my University days that I had a subscription to ballet and dance. Like Robbie; I exposed myself to many types of visual and performing arts. It was also the time I met the visual artist who I became engaged to at 31 and Virgil the photographer in my forties. Both of them taught me a lot about how to see everything different in life. In my fourth year at the University of Toronto I took a Photography and Sociology course where we had to read Berger's Ways Of Seeing. My first love would have been to become a Visual Sociologist but there were only two schools....University of Montreal but I'm not fluent in French and Columbia...I am not driven enough to find ways to afford tuition and everything else. And unlike Virgil's niece who obtained a Scholarship to Harvard; I'm not an A student. I only received A's if I really liked course material. My strength was my work experience. My second choice teaching worked out just fine.

Tom Doesn't Visit Us Anymore...Maryleah Otto..."Sensitive story that introduces the concerns surrounding child sexual abuse. For youngsters under six years of age."

Come Sit By Me...Margaret Merrifield M.D...."Dedicated to all the children who have or will have HIV/AIDS"

Princess Smartypants...Babette Cole

Prince Cinders...Babette Cole

Child Of The Sun...A Cuban Legend Retold by Sandra Arnold

Tyrone The Horrible...Hans Wilhelm..."Tyrone the Horrible is the world's first bully. Tyrone hurts and teases little Boland dinosaur until Boland dinosaur outsmarts the big bully and teaches him a hot lesson." ;-D

Lon Po Po A Red Riding Hood Story from China...Ed Young

The Dream Eater...Japanese Story by Christian Garrison

Three Gold Pieces...Greek story by Aliki..Three Life lessons
Feelings...Aliki
Manners...Aliki

A Snow Child...Freya Littledale...A Russian Folktale...Any book by this writer who retells many stories is a must

The Boy Who Grew Flowers...Jen Wojtowicz

The book that set me on my journey exploring chants with children was Butterscotch Dreams....I became the chant on chant on babylon teacher.

Sometimes I would read a novel to the class and the one that is the absolute best for my own learning and for the students was The Tale Of Despereaux....Kate DiCamillo...I showed the film to the kidzzz but nooooo.....You have to read the book. Biggest lesson....Forgiveness....When my Ma passed I phoned someone and said that I forgive you. The other person said thank you. My Ma could never forgive this person and it destroyed her and I took on her burden my whole life. This time with the help of mindfulness meditation, group therapy, individual therapy and support of my friends who became my family during my darkest days...... I finally stopped a family feud.....It was the best thing I ever did.....Why my Aunt Sophie is so important to me is that when I called her for help even though I removed myself from all relatives during this Fffffff......She just embraced me as if I was still 19 years old when I left home by the Grand River.....no questions asked as she knew what family really meant. We all need those special people in our lives, don't we?

Hi Peter. I just saw your post. How could I have forgotten another highly recommended film?!
Greece’s Yorgos Lanthimos...The Favourite.

Also I would highly recommend The Farewell....written and directed by Lulu Wang. Just sayin'. I told Virgil about my list as he was doing chores...His Mama trained him well...His skill set is out of this world in and outside the home. Of course like all of us we all have areas to develop.....Yiiiikes I sure do! We're all a work of progress....Anyway, he said why just new films?! However he wants to see Ford Versus Ferrari as he photographed the Indie back in the day for some company in Toronto. In general he's rather watch films at home. I can go both ways as I like to see films at the nearby Theatres. Of course now.....


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Peter V

Subject: Nice list

I have a few to catch up on. Originally, I only reviewed films I saw on a proper full-size screen at the cinema. Then for the 60s Retrospectives I reviewed from TV … broadcast, DVD or Blu-ray because how else are you going to see them? JoJo Rabbit is only about the second where the question has come up of reviewing from DVD. I probably won't (though I'm going to watch it again soon so might change my mind) because I have a large stack of 60s ones to do. Also there's other stuff - we watched Days of Heaven (1974?) last night, but just for peace of mind, I might stick to "60s or New". I'm also holding back on reviewing streamed plays (partly because I saw nearly all of them live anyway).


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brown eyed girl

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Good Afternoon Peter! Here is a list of some films and Docs I saw last year at the movie theatres that you might want to review or not. A few of the theatres I can walk to easily but yes, I noticed that not many people were attending before the Pandemic really hit.

Parasite (highly recommended)
The Farewell
Knives Out (highly recommended)
Booksmart
The Last Black Man In San Francisco
Spider-Man Far From Home
The Lion King
A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood (highly recommended)
Bombshell (highly recommended)
Marianne and Leonard -Words of Love (highly recommended)
Dylan -Rolling Thunder Review (highly recommended)

haso...400 Years Bob Marley and The Wailers. I did have a Bob Marley poster in my classroom when I was teaching vocal music and drama and dance. I also had a poster of Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Garland Jeffreys and....Johnny Cash giving us the finger...and of course...The Band. I found that one that was on the cover of Time Magazine with Crabgrass while we were walking in the West Village of NYC and stopped by a music shop. He noticed a Robbie EP What About Now and I bought that one too. Hoping that all the protesters all over the world today are peaceful and that everyone is safe and feels energized to continue with the struggle for everyone's humanity. I am still in quarantine so I can only witness from the sidelines.......

I am repeating this formula as it surely applies today. I was exposed to this fabulous formula at a work Mapping workshop which was to help us decide whether we wanted to make a career change. For the first 14 years of my career...I loved my work because it was never boring and I was learning all the time. I was able to use my own creativity and of course...I exposed every student to the music I loved. Some of them already knew some of the music because of their parents and some of them exposed me to the music of their own cultures. Yes my work was very demanding in many ways and at times I took breaks from the GB. The highlight for me was always...always...when my students called me Mom by accident. When the Conservative Harris government came into power we put up a fight before they implemented many changes which took away from my love of my daily work. We protested for two weeks without pay or benefits because it was an illegal strike. We lost two weeks of pay because we were so against the changes to our educational system but sometimes you do what you gotta do...

E=MC2...Energy equals Motivation Commitment and Clarity.


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Peter V

Subject: JoJo Rabbit

Me too so far. I was wondering whether to do a review, but there are so many I thought what's the point? While these early 60s films sometimes have very little on line about them.


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Roger Woods

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Film of the year - Jo Jo

PV - Jo Jo Rabbit is my film of the year. Incredibly moving and very funny.


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Peter V

Thanks, Pat. Larry Knechtel figures as only those four are mentioned on the sleeve notes. All,the songs feature great playing.


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Pat B

Peter V, definitely a Hammond, probably Larry Knechtel. Although he is famous for the Bridge Over Troubled Waters piano and as bassist/keyboardist in Bread, he was also a go to rock B3 guy with the Wrecking Crew. Recall he played a bunch of piano and B3 with Elvis Costello and toured with him for 2 years (1989-91) and recorded 3 albums with him along with the 1991 MTV Unplugged. Sorry, I just read an encyclopedic biography of Bread.


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brown eyed girl

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The Wailers feat. Skip Marley (Cedella Marley's son) , Farruko, Shaggy & Cedella Marley

– ONE WORLD, ONE PRAYER

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•Premiered May 21, 2020

Dag! Many thanks once again for the Dylan, Mick Taylor, Robbie Shakespeare and your fave...Mark Knopfler. Thank you! :-D


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brown eyed girl

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...and on a more positive vibe. Here's K'NAAN once again. Speaking of daddies...This song is in honour of the father I never knew as I was an infant when he passed. Ma always talked with pride that he was a footballer in the old country. Marley's son Damian better known as Jr. Gong is here kickin' it too.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...And here is my absolute favourite song by The Specials! When I was living in a Women's Co-Op while I was in undergrad as it was very inexpensive...However, I didn't have any say about who my housemates would be. I first lived with four other women...Later I was in a two person unit and there's a story for another day...So my housemates...a teenager so I knew there were obvious problems at home, another one had schizophrenia, another one tried to commit suicide one night. We just had a talk with her as she was so distraught that her younger boyfriend was leaving her and still...not long after we woke up to blood all over the walls and when I can't cope with something I just go totally blank. I just looked at the wall and didn't feel anything until much later. The other woman kept bringing her boyfriend over and they were really obnoxious. She attended a private school and I don't do well with anyone who thinks they deserve to be entitled just because of their social class. So one late very late night I had enough. I placed my speaker close to the wall because her bedroom was beside mine and I just blasted this song through the walls! She never said anything to me the next day but shortly after she was evicted. I guess daddy no longer paid her rent.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Specials - Racist Friend, 1984

"Formed in 1977 in Coventry (UK) with locals and African/Jamaican descendants, their music combines a ska and rocksteady beat with punk's energy and attitude. Lyrically they present a "more focused and informed political and social stance" than most other ska groups. This hit is taken from their 3rd album "In the Studio", released in 1984."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Hi, Angelina- indeed it was!

The Everly Brothers were a huge influence on The Beatles as Paul McCartney always said. I loved seeing them on the "Wings of A nightingale" tour when Don apologised that Paul's song was twice as long as they normally did. It was hit after hit at high speed.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Oops! I meant this one first with Jeanne Beker and John Roberts from MuchMusic and The Police Picnic in Oakville, Ontario...I was there with friends. Just sayin'. I never appreciated Killing Joke and Canadian Nash The Slash....not really. The Police, Iggy Pop and The Specials...Yessssss!

The Police / Iggy Pop / The Specials / Killing Joke / Nash the Slash


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Canadian John Roberts via Toronto's MuchMusic via of CNN via of Foxxxxx Fake News. He married an American Krya Phillips....He was here in 1981 and I was there too with my friends. One of the groups has a song that is needed now called Racist Friend.

Ilkka...I overdo it with the dots but basically I use them as an ellipsis. If I am feeling a lot of emotion which is usually as I'm like Richard Manuel...We feeeeel things deeply......when I'm expressing myself I tend to to go overboard and use more than three dots.

Thanks for your concern Ilkka. I'm a fighter so I am doing well. We even received good news today as Virgil is negative! It's bad enough that he has to remind me that he wears the same size jeans as he did in University...If he would have been diagnosed positive...He has to iso now until June 23 which is two days before his 69th birthday...and I'm still contagious until Monday...Since I'm the younger one I had to do all the grocery shopping but he does all the cooking and chores while I am recovering. Yesterday he made a shrimp pasta. Today it's grilled chicken burgers with rapini. Just sayin'..He's already making a list of all the things I have to do next week if no new symptoms arise. I guess I'll be his faithful servant...just until he recovers of course.

Kevin J!...I was the one who yelled out Whipping' Post. I did see The Allman Brothers at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival perform this song? Did I tell you that I was there by myself and many others??!! I even bought his memoir when Chapters shut down on John Street half price. I immediately went to the section on Cher.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.

Subject: Tango

When did you invite your partner to a tango? I bet it was (too) long ago. - Here is my former student (NOT from the school I mentioned before!) singing genuine Finnish tango. It is different from Argentinian tango which is played in 78 rpm. Finnish tango is played in 45 rpm or even in 33 rpm when drunk.

Heidi is also a music journalist. She has written a book of Swedish rock-artists. Two of my former students - among others - tell about their lives. I don't have the guts to read this book: MAYBE THEY DON'T MENTION _MEEEEE_?!

Just Google: Heidi Kaarto Mä annan sut pois


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Roberta Battaglia - Shallow

Every one needs to hear this little 10 year old girl from Ontario who gets a golden buzzer. Voices like this in children are rare. You have to love her and her emotion.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Peter V...Years later I would watch weekly The Everly Brothers show....Also Dean Martin. Here is my absolute fave then and now. Was that a photo of your enchanted backyard that K sent yesterday?!! :-D

"This beautiful clip of the Everly Brothers was filmed on their UK tour in 1960 with Buddy Holly's Crickets as the backup band, less than a year and half after the plane crash that took Holly's life.:


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Peter V

Bill: The sleeve credits Alan Price. I'd put the Eric Burdon reference down to YouTube.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thanks for the link to the Everlys. The singing is overwrought, but I'd blame that on the baroque arrangement. The organist sounds like Goldy McJohn to me, but he would barely have been in town (if that) by then, and couldn't possibly have worked his way into the Wrecking Crew's list of auxiliary session colleagues. Note that the writer is listed as Eric Burdon. What happened to Alan Price's credit, which was always questionable, but at least he could base it on his arrangememt (or so I've always understood).


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Everly Brothers: Rising Sun

There's a new Everly Brothers 3 CD set, "Down In The Bottom: The Country Rock Years". It's based around three albums, The Hit Sound of …, Sing and Roots. I already had Roots, but there is a bunch of bonus tracks on each CD.

The Hit Sound is 1966 and recorded with The Wrecking Crew in LA. It's mainly rock classics, but they also covered House of The Rising Sun. Frankly, the vocals (Don lead) are overwrought and not up to Eric Burdon, but the backing fascinates me. They're following The Animals arrangement, but the guitar (the sleeve mentions Glen Campbell), bowed acoustic bass (Ray Pohlman) and drums (Hal Blaine) are significantly better. It's the organ I noticed. Pat B would know, but I'd say it was Hammond rather than Alan Price's Vox Continental, and whoever played it felt challenged to compete. The usual keyboard players were Larry Knechtel and Leon Russell, but I think of piano first for both. It doesn't say who played it. Larry Knechtel is mentioned as playing on the album.

Check it out.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Music in school for blinds - a reminiscense

In my youth I searched a job in a school for blind kids. This man got the job and this is the song he wrote about his life in this particular school. It is about how a blind kid takes his hand. I believe they gave the job to the right guy, after all! (I got a job in a school for students with mental illness instead, and now we both have been growing old...) This is a beautiful song in this difficult time. - Just Google: Dave Lindholm Pieni ja hento ote


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Dots

A lot of dots in Brown Eyed Girl's posts lately. I stopped my counting on 268 dots after a migraine attack. - Oh well, maybe I should get me a life . . . or death.

All the best to you and your love ones.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: JoJo Rabbit

Has anyone seen the film JoJo Rabbit? I’d say two of the best uses of anachronistic music in years. It opens with The Beatles ‘Komm, gib mir deine hand’ – the German version they recorded themselves, and ends with Helden by David Bowie, his own German version of Heroes. We were so knocked out with the film that when it ended, we watched the last 30 minutes again.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: beg

Angie: a lot to think about on your lengthy commentary about the original sin (401 years and counting) of my "fair country". Not at all sure that it is "fair", that's more a euphemism borrowed from 2 brothers hereabouts that used to make car repairs interesting on our Public Radio. I agree, I'm just happy you found Playing for Change, whenever you did. I didn't know, until Norm's post, that the site (PfC) went back that far.

How many sad things are there right now... countless I'm quite afraid to say. ALL time sad for anyone (back to Socrates and the like) to see a "democracy" devolve into a banana republic. Shipping in essentially para-military forces from such as riot patrol of the Texas Bureau of Prisons, dressing them in black, unmarked: is that not classic Pinochet, Somoza, Mugabe, Milosavic, etc. etc.?

Otherwise, keep getting better beg-friend; and glad you haven't lately "took off time from posting"/also glad you've got the magical door key. You know if they gave it to Norm we'd end drowning up in Merle, Waylon, Dwight Yoakim; well maybe that'd be ok come to think of it, 'long as we can swim a little. (Listening to some '65 Butterfield while I type, so that's where I'm coming down right now... "Blues w/ a Feeling", there's a sentiment for the current state of affairs.)


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Infidels sessions, Power Station, NYC 1983

Two unreleased videos, "Don't Fall Apart On Me Tonight" and Licence To KilL" Featuring Sly & Robbie, Mick Taylor, Mark Knopfler, and Alan Clark from Dire Straits.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Well, I guess everyone is out in the streets protesting..........Three cheers to James Mattis. His entire statement is worth reading. The rest of the Republicans who are remaining silent...cowards the lot of them.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Come and Go Blues

Just watched Gregg Allman on David Letterman from January 1982. He had been sober for a while and while that didn’t last his performance of “Melissa” while sitting on the couch will last forever.

Thank you, BEG for those Infidels memories.......Bob looked so young yet at the time I wouldn’t have thought that.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

And for the completists of Sweetheart Like You video...

Clydie King on keyboards was secretly married to Dylan and they had a child together.

Lowell 'Sly' Dunbar...drums (as Sly Dunbar) on recording from Bob Marley and the Wailers.

Mark Knopfler ....music producer: guitar on recording with Mick Taylor but Carla Olson guitar on video.

Robbie Shakespeare from Bob Marley and The Wailers on recording and video. ... bass guitar

Wild Geese

You do not have to be good.
You do not have to walk on your knees
for a hundred miles through the desert repenting.
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.
Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.
Meanwhile the world goes on.
Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain
are moving across the landscapes,
over the prairies and the deep trees
the mountains and the rivers.
Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the ocean blue air,
are heading home again.
Whoever you are, no matter how lonely,
the world offers itself to your imagination,
calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting
over and over announcing your place
in the family of things.

Mary Oliver
Dream Work, Grove Atlantic Inc.
1986 & New and Selected Poems, Beacon Press, 1992.

Landmark...Thank you for your concern. Hopefully just one more week of quarantine if no new symptoms arise. I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad that you are continuing to feel better. Very sorry that you had to go through so much in your own journey. I guess you miss the racetracks? ;-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J...Featuring Carla Olson with Bob Dylan on video - Sweetheart Like You

Norm...As I thought you must have found the site before I did but because you don't have access to the magical door yet.....Also I took off time from posting many times since I began posting. To Clarify......I don't care who found the site.....I am so happy when others find sites or music and share with our hood......My point was that you and haso kept telling me about the site as if I never found it. That's about it...... ;-D

Many thanks to Canadiana Bill M and Jan H via of Dag...I have the 12" and my sleeve of Tears Are Not Enough only has the small photos and no photo of Richard Manuel. I found this recording at a Thrift Store out of town in a shopping cart outside the store with other recordings and books. The Store always leaves items out for free.

NBA Guard....Malcom Brogden....Articulate...Has an MA and gorgeous and a privileged NBA player who goes out of his way to push for social change....I've posted about him before.....Indiana Pacers "Important for us to stay outraged." Thank you for stepping up! We need another and many more sports stars and musicians who show up instead of merely tweeting in their mansions and worrying about their brands....Remember people like Mohammed Ali......This is the time and maybe our one chance when real social change can take place.....Sing it again!

The oppression of one
Is the Oppression of all


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Little things mean a lot

On my news on yahoo this morning an article with pictures. Police officers on bicycles who were sent to guard the trump international hotel in Washington, all in a line took a knee in front of the crowd of protesters. Amid cheers from the crowd of protesters one officer gave the crowd a thumbs up while another gave a protester a hand bump. Maybe some relationship healing can start.

BEG, "Stand by me" was not the first PFC video I linked, but I don't recall how long ago it was Jan locked up the links. However for a long time before that I linked many songs. I started watching the PFC videos in 2009, just after I moved to Powell River for a few years. Mark Johnson had started that movement in 2002.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Dag. I suspect you know that the record came out in 7" and 12" formats, each with a very different sleeve. But just in case, the paper sleeve for the 7" had just signatures of the bigger 'stars', including Richard Manuel. The 12" inch has some small photos of the biggest 'star' - Lightfoot, Young, Hawkins, Geddy Lee, hockey players - the names of the singers of verses, a long list of equipment and food suppliers who'd donated their services, and NO list of all the dozens of additional singers, like Richard, who sang only on the choruses. The back of the cardboard cover was clearly taken just before or just after the one on the sheet music, but I don't see Richard at all. I suspect he's hidden behind the tall blond guy, Bruce Murray, who was surely only there because his big sister Anne Murray insisted.


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Posted by:

Dag B.

Web: My link

Subject: Tears are not enough

Richard is in the photo on the sheet music.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Good to see you here, Bonk.....Hope you’re still listening to Butch Hancock and being careful as we are all trying to be..... Cheers!


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Posted by:

Bonk

Subject: Beg

Hey BEG. Thanks for the shout out. That was a good nite except for me missing Paul do that song.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hellooooo haso.....Hello Bonk......For sure, if you're ever in TO I will probably be around but don't know about Virgil. There's always Mr. Maximus to fill in. Maybe his partner will join us too. My family and relatives don't understand this friendship but it works for all of us. The last person I met was Bonk. Mr. Maximus came with me as Virgil had to work and he really likes Paul James. Their sons know each other.

Hi Bonk. If you would have stayed longer with your friends; Paul played the best Maryanne I ever heard!!!! The whole Club went nuts. And then he came over to talk with us because they know each other. The woman on stage with Paul is his significant other. I felt a bit uncomfortable because Paul has met Mr. Maximus' partner.....so......I don't know what he thought.....I certainly wasn't the other woman. I've seen Paul's first wife at a west end Festival....maybe at the Junction.....bright red hair....I lived in that area during first term of my career.

I tried to find when I first posted about Playing For Change. I did find in 2015 a post mentioning it. I think I first saw PFC via MuchMoreMusic....music channel here. Now it could be that Norm saw it earlier but never posted anything because he doesn't have access to the magical door. I just asked for permission. I learned many years ago that if you really want something you just have to ask and let the chips fall where they may.

Yes! It really is a small world here in the GB once you really get to "know" someone. It takes a long time to really know someone and you have to have interactions off GB in "real" life. I met many people because I wanted to have a real experience and it's so great when you hang with them in their city or in the same city. Calm did not tell me until a year after we chatted and laughed with the boyzzzz in the Chat Room....She wanted to check me out I guess and make sure I wasn't just interested in getting to know her because she actually knew Robbie as a classmate. Her partner and I will be in touch soon. He's a real sweetheart. Thanks Bill M for giving condolences to him in the GB. I never even saw that she had passed here. Her partner sent an email to me but it was in my Junk Box and I rarely check there. Once I found out.....I needed time to process so didn't post anything......She was never interested in meeting any men from the GB. She would always say let them fantasize......LOL......I've always had male friends because I can talk about music and sports so.......And at the time........Never thought I'd give anyone a real chance after Mr. South America......One day someone came into this GB and said that I was only here to pick up men. It would have been great if I did meet someone but I wasn't ready to meet anyone really.....still recovering from very unhealthy relationship which almost cost me my life....Anyway, it really hurt me.......made me feel just terrible.......This GB at times is like group therapy as we project all of our stuff onto each other at times.

Racism/Classism.....You definitely learn it.....but for some reason I rejected what I learned at home. It's not that my extended family were racists; they were ignorant as they grew up in another country where everyone at that time was white and everyone was baptized with the same religion. One time Grandpa picked me up from school and I was walking with a South Asian boy. As soon as he got out of the car Grandpa made it clear that he would never be in that car again. Another time....not sure if I shared this one but it's also sooooooo vivid in my mind......even at four to eight years old....My Ma and I took the train to visit relatives from my paternal Grandma's side in Rochester, NY. First I couldn't believe that you had to put money in a slot in order to get into a washroom stall....I think Americans say bathroom, restroom more? Then we're waiting for a taxi. At first I couldn't figure out why Ma was being so picky as to the driver who would take us to our relatives. Well, she was waiting for a white driver! She didn't say a word.....but children don't need words. We watch, we listen and then store the experience in our memory......These relatives lived in the suburbs and had a large home and had adopted three children. My mother worked in a factory so we had enough money for some things but not enough to have our own home. I even had to share a bedroom with my Ma until my brother moved out......Everytime we returned to Canada it was the same hassle from Customs......They couldn't believe that my two female cousins had given me so much clothing in excellent condition. My Ma had to plead with them that she didn't buy any clothing......They were all gifts. I never felt any shame or depraved in this area but once a classmate made me feeeeeel so......When he said that I was lower-class because our house on the same street wasn't as large as his. It took every ounce of me not to retaliate....I knew I could hurt him but in those young days I didn't........... We all have a story......Some like to share and others pride themselves on their anonymity.....It's all good......I hope.......Good night. :-D

Each morning we are born again.
What we do today is what matters most.
Buddhist


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Kevin......I have always appreciated and admired Mick Taylor's such fluid and tasteful guitar playing. I know you really like Jeff Beck and yes.....He's so brilliant technically....and the clip I previously posted with Jeff and Rod.....Now that's the kind of guitar playing I really like as he's really feeling it......Hence why I love Robbie's guitar playing so much as he's an emotional guitar player......Now with Mick Taylor he's technically brilliant, and his playing is like honey on whatever.......I could listen to his playing all day long. He started with The Stones at around 20.....There was a halo of a kind surrounding him.....He just glowed.....and although he admits in interviews as having had fun with the boyzzzz......I guess he had that gene.....Mick did not have it. I also think it helps if you're a control freak....Mick could do tons of coke but was not interested in H like Robbie was not interested. I had it around me once and wasn't interested in the least.

I cannot remember the year I saw Mick Taylor solo at Heaven? Yonge/Bloor in the Hudson's Bay. I remember who I was with......I do remember that the venue was very dark and the vibe was quite dark if you catch my drift....Robbie talks like that too.....must be a Grand River thing. I checked online but I couldn't find this particular venue with Mick. Could I have the wrong name? It was a Disco Club before. ;-D

"Apolitical Blues" - Little Feat with Mick Taylor - Extended Version

"Here, we have the very rare teaming of two truly amazing guitar players, Mick Taylor three years removed from The Rolling Stones and Lowell George fronting Little Feat.
Ronnie Wood was a much better than decent guitarist, but when you hear Taylor here, it's obvious what the Stones lost when he quit the band.
This also shows off, in my opinion, two of the three best slide guitar players ( in addition to Ry Cooder) of the past 40 years.
I used the audio from the album release of the shorter version of this track which you can find on the digital version of "Waiting for Columbus" up through the end of Taylor's initial solo, then we switch over to the mix from the video."

No matter how far wrong you've gone, you can always turn around.
Gil Scott-Heron


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Time waits for no one

BEG....one of my absolute favourite Rolling Stones songs....gorgeous all around and Mick Taylor shines....oh how they missed him. He was a mess when he left the band so I do hope you caught him when all was ok.......I still remember the late night DJ saying that Mick Taylor was on BD’s “Infidels” album just before he started paying side one late one night back in 1983.....I just knew that everything that followed was going to be ok...and it sure was. Thank you!

Norm.....you are right...things are so absurd that if the consequences weren’t so deadly it really would be funny.....I watched “Gladiator” last night and just as the Emperor realized his son Commodus was unfit to rule and would destroy the empire.....It’s a crying shame that not enough people in the US figured that out about Trump before they elected him.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Haggard Boys

Good choice Evangelina. I have watched that video of the Haggard boys many times. One of my favourites.

Kevin, honestly now if you watched Blazing Saddles and the behaviour of Mel Brooks as governor, Trump's actions are the same. He should have Pres. written in big white letters on his back. Problem is, this is not funny in any way.

Pence would never make a Harvey Corman.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ben Harper saw them when he was 12 years old while I was a decade older.....
Someting is happening everywhere today in the world.........

We sick an' tired of your bullshit game
To die and go to Heaven inna Jesus name
We know when we understand
Almighty God is a living man
You fool some people sometimes, yeah
But you can't fool all the people all the time
So now we see the light
We gonna stand up for our rights

Get up, stand up
Stand up for your rights
Get up, stand up
Don't give up the fight
Get up, stand up
Stand up for your rights (yeah)

You Can't Blame The Youths...Featuring Peter Tosh +Rastaman Chant + Get Up Stand Up...Featuring Bob Marley - THE WAILERS / (Capitol Studios 1973)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Kevin J....... I saw him at a small club at Yonge and Bloor real up close and personal and at a huuuuge venue with the boyzzz. He's my other favourite guitarist. A musicians' musician!

Peter and Dag (if Jan H sent photos your way).....Could someone please tell me why my copy of Tears Are Not Enough does not have a photo of Richard Manuel on sleeve?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Norm. Well, I guess we'll all have to hang with you on your new boat then. Heads up....Kevin likes boxed wine and beer....not sure which kind. I will bring ginger beer and maybe......We're all different.....Bob Marley Louuu, Van, Garland, Robbie solo...... are coming as well......just sayin'. ;-D


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Posted by:

Ronnie Villeneuve

Location: Edmonton, Born in Quebec City

Subject: THE BAND Anew

THE BAND Anew. The Ultimate Peace of Body Mind & Spirit can, I believe, only come from a Brother & Sisterhood of likeminded musicians. Their experience of making harmony from a combination of musical notes & lyrics can bring about a peaceful spirit which can motivate the coming together of bodies & minds into the necessary actions of Peacemakers needed to seed a garden of lasting Peace before it can “Give Peace a Chance” to bloom. The Band Anew with its many friends can become the absolute best Canadian attempt at such a task. Be GREAT! It is so much better than just being good. Ciao Bye Ronnie V.


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Posted by:

Norm J

Subject: Of sound mind

Any real president (not an imposter) would have stood before his people and condemned these resent acts by law enforcement and would be law enforcement, (a used to be cop who wasn't even allowed to arrest any one because he failed testing for non violent procedure) lets his son red neck trigger happy idiot shoot a young black man jogging 3 times.

No he thinks he's Jimmy Swaggert and stands there with a bible. His motto "do unto others before they do unto you". How can any sane person understand the thinking of that abnormal thing.

BEG you wouldn't want to see my tug now for sure. It's 3 and a half years since I sold it and retired. The company I sold it to really wanted my barge. It's a big barge that I spent a lot of money on putting in good condition. I also spent about $200,000 on my tug. They wanted me gone as I took to much business away. They had a couple of different morons operating my tug. It would come in with damage broken equipment and big dints from hitting it with the barge. Now it sits at the dock here in Port Hardy painted the most horrible color and going to rust looking very sad.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Orange Clown and his Bible photo op

“I can’t run no more/ With that lawless crowd/ While the killers in high places/ Say their prayers out loud/ But they’ve summoned, they’ve summoned up/ A thundercloud/ And they’re going to hear from me.” - Leonard Cohen


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Posted by:

Bill M

Norm: I agree with that assessment of Colin James's version of "Into The Mystic". Funny - I was listening to that album just yesterday. My favourite song on it is still "Coming In Like A Radio", which for the first time struck me as being a bit about listening to "The Weight". Produced by Colin Linden, with Richard Bell on keys on half of it, and some Tom Wilson contributions in the singing and songwriting departments.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Blackout Tuesday: To protest George Floyd's death, music industry will pause Mick Jagger, Peter Gabriel and Quincy Jones are among those vowing to pause business as usual and work for racial justice. Spotify will add a silent track to some playlists.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Victoria Williams and Lou Reed "Crazy Mary"

I downloaded this song a long time ago but today is the first time I am watching them together. Please excuse Louuu's neon jacket here......What was he thinking here? lol......When I first posted in this GB; for some reason I always mixed up Victoria Williams with Lucinda Williams....probably because I didn't know either at the time. It was Liz? from Rochester in the GB who kept reminding me......different women!

Ok Norm....I see that the tutoring by haso and Glenn has improved your grades! I always knew you were a hard worker......but that doesn't mean I'll be working on your tugboat......Ah, I ain't gonna work on Norm's tugboat no more.....I'll just sit on the boat and watch the river flow..........


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: A little Colin James

About the best cover of Into The Mystic save for maybe Joe Cocker. Can't finish my varnishing today raining........


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Posted by:

Norm J

Web: My link

Subject: A little Colin Linden

Just finished my home work......worked all night.....I'm old.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Sorry - I meant to add Paulson's line as some kind of footnote, but then went and hit Submit too soon. He mentions something about going to Hawaii for the wahinis, and then, "We all know what a 'wahini' is - it's something you put on a bahun with lots of mahustard". Much funnier to hear as a teen than read when 60+.


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Posted by:

Bill M

While I picked up "Everybody Slides" for Amos Garrett's "Sharks Ate My Wahini" (which always reminds me of a Pat Paulson line), Colin Linden's instrumental version of "Whispering Pines" is my runaway favourite.

I was at the 1985 Band show at the Diamond Club in Toronto. While I don't recall anything about Colin's group opening, I do have a clear memory of Colin sitting by himself on some steps inside the club, clearly waiting for Band guys to emerge from the dressing room. I first saw him play in the late '70s, playing acoustic blues in a folk club. By 1980, when I'd chat with him at Kop's Records (when it was at Queen and Coxwell, near where Colin lived), he was still hanging with his great mentors - David Wilcox and Amos Garrett - he was really getting into Robbie Robertson's old Toronto guitar style. He wanted to be that Robbie, he told me - and who could blame him. A mutual friend had made him a tape of Robbie with Hawkins, and also some of the other local worthies playing in his style - Fred Keeler, Bobby Starr, Larry Leishman, Domenic Troiano, et al. Nevertheless, when he first appeared with his own group, he sounded more like Elvis Costello than anyone else.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Wrong Bob, JQ.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Whispering Pines...Colin Linden

Ok here's a shorter version Norm. Just like school; I always had to make accommodations. ;-D

THE BAND, “REMEDY”, AND “EVERYBODY SLIDES”

South at Eight, North at Nine was licensed by Deluge owner Randy Labbe to the French label Sky Ranch for European distribution. When the latter label began work on an anthology of slide guitar playing, they naturally asked Labbe for a track from Linden. Still smitten with the work of the Band, Linden chose to record an instrumental version of Robbie Robertson and Richard Manuel’s “Whispering Pines.” It had always been a track that Linden had felt a deep-seated affinity for, so much so that he and his wife had worked out a similar version that they played at their wedding.

It was always one of my favourite songs,” affirms Linden. “It has such a beautiful melody and, of course, I couldn’t sing like Richard Manuel but I thought it would be a really nice melody to play on slide.”

The Sky Ranch record was eventually titled Everybody Slides and released in 1994. Two years later, Rykodisc licensed the record for North America.

“Whispering Pines” had been recorded in 1992. A year later the reformed Band issued Jericho. It was the first album they had recorded since 1977’s Islands. It was also the first album the group had attempted without the songwriting, production and guitar playing chops of Robbie Robertson. To the surprise of many skeptics, Jericho was superb, evoking the essence of a number of roots American musics at every turn. The leadoff track on the disc and the first single to be pulled from the album was Linden’s “Remedy.” The song received substantial radio play and ended up reaching #6 on the Canadian CAR listings, providing the Band with their highest chart placement ever.

We are all sleepwalkers
We only see the things
We want to see
We dream in colours,bpaint each other
Black and White

Dream Walker

haso...I will respond later tonight or tomorrow. Hugs..... :-D

I just realized didn't Lil used to end her posts to a certain someone with hugs? If so, I'm not copying Lil. I'm the hugging type. Also, Critter and I will be in touch soon. Hopefully he has contacted you as I lost many emails when I bought my first laptop. Perfect timing too as educators received a freebie....Beats Headphones.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: bob w

Hey Bob - welcome back, I hope you stick. How’s RoseAnn been keeping?


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Over Whelming

Beg!!! Have a heart will you.....I'm not reading all that. This is too much home work yer giving.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LEVON, RICK, GARTH & “WHEN THE SPIRIT COMES”

"Fate being what it is, as Linden and Whynot were putting the finishing touches on the Immortals album, the group was booked to open up for the reconstituted Band at the Diamond Club in Toronto. That night Linden got a chance to meet three of the original members, Rick Danko, Garth Hudson and Levon Helm. In the summer of 1987, Linden met Danko once again at the Edmonton Folk Festival.

“At that point I was listening to nothing but the Band’s music,” attests Linden. “I was just completely entrenched in what they were doing. I was getting ready to do When the Spirit Comes and I said to Rick, ‘Do you ever work on other people’s records?’ He said, ‘Well, you know sometimes I do.’ He was a little tentative about it because he thought I meant playing bass. Then he said, ‘But I love to sing on my friend’s records.’ I said, ‘Well do you think when we get time to make a record, could I send you something?’ He said, ‘Absolutely!’”

Not one to let such an opportunity pass by, shortly thereafter, Linden sent some tapes to Danko’s home in Woodstock. As luck would have it, Danko fortuitously had a gig scheduled in Toronto right when Colin was getting ready to do over dubs on the When the Spirit Comes LP.

Danko and Linden immediately clicked in the studio, the former ending up singing backup vocals on three songs that made the original album, “Thy Will Be Done,” “I Know Her” and “When the Spirit Comes,” plus two outtakes that are available on the present CD edition of the album, “Chest Fever” and “Put it in the Ground.”

As Linden mentions in his brief notes on the When the Spirit Comes CD, the main guitar figure of the title song owes a lot to Son House. Danko provides harmony throughout the performance and takes a lead vocal turn on verse three. Two weeks later, Linden headed down to Woodstock to get Garth Hudson to overdub some of his trademark organ filigree. The net effect makes the track sound like some long lost Band-outtake. While various alternative radio outlets picked up on the wondrous beauty of “When the Spirit Comes,” “Miles Away from You” was a modest hit on the rock charts. Meanwhile, the album received staggering good reviews in the rock press and Colin Linden’s solo career began to move into ascendancy.

The difference between the Immortals album and When the Spirit Comes was like night and day. While the former felt somewhat forced, the latter bespoke of an aesthetic that was much more grounded in roots American musics filtered through several years of musical maturity developed night after night, gig after gig. “A lot of it was because I realized I don’t sound good glossy,” reflects Linden. “It’s not flattering to what I do. It’s like wearing a white suit for me. That was something that John Whynot and I, when we made When the Spirit Comes, were really conscious of. I remember John and I talking about it. We said, ‘Let’s make a record like a cedar box, not like a crystal chamber.’ That’s exactly what we thought of and, in a lot of ways, it was the basis of the production style that both us have mined to a large degree since.”

RICHARD BELL, JOHN DYMOND, PRODUCING ALBUMS, & THE BRUCE COCKBURN BAND

When the Spirit Comes was released by A & M in 1987. That same year Linden signed a publishing deal with Warner Chappell and he began to do a lot more producing for the likes of Mendelson Joe, Morgan Davis, Jackson Delta and Hans Thessink. In November 1989 John Whynot elected to move to California. Coincidentally, a month later keyboardist Richard Bell moved to Toronto, more than ably filling the vacancy left in Linden’s band by the departure of Whynot. A former member of Ronnie Hawkins’ Hawks, Bell had also played in Joplin’s Full Tilt Boogie Band and would soon join a late period edition of the Band. Aesthetically in the same head space as Linden, eleven years later he is still a vital cog on Linden’s records and in live gigs.

With Bell playing the 88’s, Linden became much more interested in playing live and began once more working a lot of blues tunes into his set. “I felt with Richard in the band,” confirms Linden, “immediately there was this new element that really revitalized things.”

Linden seemed bolstered on all fronts and When the Spirit Comes represented a quantum leap in Linden’s songwriting and singing skills. In both departments, Bruce Cockburn seems to have had a substantial influence. While Cockburn’s influence rears its head at a number of points, it is most pronounced on “Two Halves of a Whole,” “There Goes the Neighborhood” and the bonus CD track “I Was in Chains.”

In 1991, as Linden’s solo and production careers moved into full swing, he received a phone call from Bruce Cockburn asking him if he wanted to play in his band. “That really changed my life in a gigantic way. I was hugely honoured,” Linden declares. Cockburn next asked Linden who else he would like in the band and, of course, Colin suggested Richard Bell and bassist John Dymond, both of whom were now part of his regular band. Linden would go on to work the road with Cockburn for the next three-and-a-half years, playing guitar on two albums, before becoming the veteran singer-songwriter’s co-producer, working behind the board on Cockburn’s subsequent three records, The Charity of Night, You Pay Your Money and You Take Your Chance and Breakfast in New Orleans, Dinner in Timbuktu.

THE BAND, “REMEDY”, AND “EVERYBODY SLIDES”

South at Eight, North at Nine was licensed by Deluge owner Randy Labbe to the French label Sky Ranch for European distribution. When the latter label began work on an anthology of slide guitar playing, they naturally asked Labbe for a track from Linden. Still smitten with the work of the Band, Linden chose to record an instrumental version of Robbie Robertson and Richard Manuel’s “Whispering Pines.” It had always been a track that Linden had felt a deep-seated affinity for, so much so that he and his wife had worked out a similar version that they played at their wedding.

It was always one of my favourite songs,” affirms Linden. “It has such a beautiful melody and, of course, I couldn’t sing like Richard Manuel but I thought it would be a really nice melody to play on slide.”

The Sky Ranch record was eventually titled Everybody Slides and released in 1994. Two years later, Rykodisc licensed the record for North America.

“Whispering Pines” had been recorded in 1992. A year later the reformed Band issued Jericho. It was the first album they had recorded since 1977’s Islands. It was also the first album the group had attempted without the songwriting, production and guitar playing chops of Robbie Robertson. To the surprise of many skeptics, Jericho was superb, evoking the essence of a number of roots American musics at every turn. The leadoff track on the disc and the first single to be pulled from the album was Linden’s “Remedy.” The song received substantial radio play and ended up reaching #6 on the Canadian CAR listings, providing the Band with their highest chart placement ever.

I rebel. Therefore we exist.
Albert Camus


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Last 5 on Shuffle

Paul Simon and James Taylor...Wonderful World
Annie Lennox with Eurythmics...When Tomorrow Comes (one more week of Quarantine)
Kate Bush...Hounds of Love
Etta James...I'd Rather Go Blind
Tony Joe White...Did Someone Make A Fool Out Of You

Tony Joe White & Eric Clapton - "Did Somebody Make A Fool Out Of You" from TJW's album Uncovered (2009). "Clapton's voice remains characteristically modest on this song yet his guitar work--measured and full of emotion--proves what you don't play is as important as what you do play." Remind you of another guitar player? ;-D

bob w....1...2....3...4....5....6....7....8....9....10....

Virgil and I would like to thank you very much for posting about Sunday's weekly Arts Show at 9:00 AM on CBS. We watch it religiously.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: good news for those sick of hearing harp music?

Kevin J: David wouldn't have left it behind - so we can be sure that the soundtrack improved markedly with his arrival.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

“The old neighborhood just ain't the same."

Nice thoughts on David P........Thank you, Bob W and really good to see your name on the screen as well.......I like to think that the “last 5” and other variations on recently enjoyed music that many of us post here quite regularly are a tribute of sorts to David P.......and I sure hope whoever got his record collection has treated it well.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Bob W for remembering David P like that. I miss his solid, informative presence.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: David Powell

Thinking of David today on what would have been his 70th birthday. You are missed, old friend.


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: 52 Years (to the tune of Bob Marley's 400 Years)

It was only a week or so ago that I reviewed Medium Cool from 1969 (Re-linked above). That has real footage of the 1968 demonstrations in Chicago mixed in with the story. That all went down FIFTY-TWO years ago. And nothing has changed. Watching the African-American reporter being arrested, I recalled in Medium Cool, the police told the NBC camera truck to go. Waited. Then charged the peaceful demonstrators with truncheons.

When they attacked demonstrators in the park, we hear this on the film:

"Look out, Haskell! This is real!"

Haskell Wexler was filming the real events in the park and the warning was genuine.

Having said that, I thought the demonstrations in London and Berlin on last night's news veered towards "recreational demos" as the USA is not going to take a blind bit of notice of what anyone else says, because they haven't in fifty-two years.

A few years back if anyone had said the world would be suffering Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and Boris Johnson simultaneously I would have fallen over laughing in disbelief.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Just finished watching ‘Shooter”........ if anyone out there remembers the glory of getting home from a late night stumble or romp and turning on the TV to what was described in those days as “a great B movie”..... then you will understand how good - in a B movie kind away - this thing was.... and Levon Helm in a perfect 5 minute role to boot !

........and...and....just looked this up - the Mighty New York Times described the film back in 2007 as "a thoroughly reprehensible, satisfyingly violent entertainment about men and guns and things that go boom."......Has there ever been a more perfect description of a “B movie” ?

.....and in unrelated news...to do with Canada’s once mighty newspaper ...thank you, Bill M.....that does explain some things.


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Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: racism

Angelina: let it roll, "man". I'm glad Norm isn't "scared" anymore. I just find you, like many of the char-acters (to quote M. Rebenack) here, fascinating. And if my spouse and I ever find our way to Toronto, hope to meet up w/ you.

As far as PfC, doesn't matter to me how you found it, just glad you did; me too: as I think I related here once, it was my fundamentalist, mega-church sister-in-law, that 1st sent PfC to our email. A bit surprising, in retrospect. Probably before I found the GB. I know I spent a good year or 2 just reading every little thing Jan has in the Library before I clicked on the GB. And probably mixed in the Davis/LH book and Hoskyns prior to the GB as well.

Anyway, the PfC version of W/NMT is the one that includes Bono, Marley, my favorite PfC guy (Jason Tamba) and particularly the mixed (Catholic/Protestant) youth choir from Omagh, No. Ireland.

Agree completely on Hendrix/Watchtower.

I'll let Glenn speak for himself, as we've come to communicate off GB-line. Thanks, tangentially, to comments from Jeff Alexander quite a while back, Glenn and I found that we'd attended the same, very small college north of St. Louis, Mo. and in fact that he had worked there when my brother and sister-in-law did, possibly knew my parents and had lived in a rental house on the outskirts of the campus that a high school friend of mine had earlier in the mid '70's. I guess it shows the unique small world that is the GB... now I read from an instructor (of some note) from Toronto, a radio DJ from the same, a renaissance man from southern England, and a retired tugboat captain (for god's sakes).

I so appreciate your commentary on racism. Nothing wrong w/ some passion or "wearing [stuff] on your sleeve". Although generally Barack was just called our 1st Black President, he in fact was bi-racial, a term fairly frequently used here in the States. Reading your lines, I felt like I was back on Facetime w/ our son from about 2 hours before, when he just went OFF on our current "leaders" (were that they actually were). Also well-justified. My grandkids are bi-racial and we couldn't be happier that he and his Nigerian-American wife (if one has to characterize) celebrated 11 years of marriage yesterday. I find it interesting that even former NYPD Commissioner Bratton refers now to the original sin of "America" and it's 400-year history. About Goddamn time, w/ only one planet to live on, that this species figure out how to live.

Sleep well, hugs back to you.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Wheeler's American, and may he's deep-down pissed off that the inventors of Americana aren't from the States - and if he can't have them, nobody can.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jimmy Cliff...Many Rivers To Cross

Thank you Norm! I taught You Can Get It by Jimmy Cliff to the kidzzzz. They enjoyed the song so much that they inspired me to organize a school concert JK-G6 called POSITIVE VIBRATIONS.
The very first school I attended in Toronto....The Harder They Come featuring Jimmy Cliff was shown in one of my Sociology classes. One summer I ended up seeing Jimmy Cliff by Lake Ontario where I would also see Peter Tosh solo as well. Always great shows as they feel what they are singing about. Definitely some advantages to being of a certain vintage as Bumbles would say.

Just for today
I will let go of anger
Just for today, I will let go of worry
Just for today
I earn my living honestly
I show gratitude to all living things

Unknown


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Posted by:

Norm J

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Cold Light of Day

I just finished supper Kevin and the realization over and over again turns your stomach. Just remember if you are a black man below that Mason - Dixon line.....don't go jogging.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Marley Live 80...Last Year...HD "No Woman No Cry - Zion Train"

Featuring American Al Anderson on guitar

I found Bob Marley and The Wailers on my own just by switching on the TV the very first year I was in Toronto to attend school. I think the very first song I heard was Trench Town Rock. If some of my friends did not know the music of The Band; they all knew Marley's music. Even Virgil is a fan. The former jazz musician turned Engineer really disliked reggae. However, he respected that reggae hit me deeply and because I wouldn't back down to his elitism; he gave me a pass. ;-D

Hi Kevin. I thought I'd lighten things up with that review. I was at that The Band Tribute with Virgil on the second night with Maud performing. I asked Virgil if he could remember the show as he clearly remembers that he really disliked the Tribute to Rick Danko in Simcoe.....He couldn't remember TLW Tribute really well but he thought in general it was ok. Mr. Maximus always really enjoyed The Band related shows much more so whenever he was available with his partner or solo....

The Guest House

This being human is a guest house
Every morning a new arrival.

A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.

Welcome and entertain them all
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture.

Still, treat each guest honourably.
S/he may be clearing you
out for some new delight.

The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in.

Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.

Say I Am You: Poetry Interspersed with Stories of Rumi and Shams
Translated by John Mayne and Coleman Barks, Maypop
1994


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: BEG

Speaking of fools..... no bigger one than Brad Wheeler.....an embarrassment to the once great Globe and Mail......his comments on Tom Wilson are just a slice of how clueless he almost always is.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Soulful Waltz tribute didn't quite rock
BRAD WHEELER
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 25, 2006

We Shall Be Released:

"Colin Linden of Blackie and the Rodeo Kings laid it out clear and early, declaring at the outset that the evening's concert was not about recreating anything, but about playing the music that they loved. The audience had just viewed clips on a pair of side-stage television monitors of The Last Waltz, Martin Scorsese's documentary of The Band's lavish farewell at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom, a concert of hyped significance that was held on America's Thanksgiving Day in 1976 -- three decades earlier. The Band, a curious outfit of four Canadians and one American who backed Ronnie Hawkins and Bob Dylan and invented roots-rock, had decided after 16 years of playing dive-bars and music halls to pull themselves off the road. The Winterland show was a bountiful sendoff that involved chandeliers, ballroom dancing and 220 turkeys at the front of the house, with endless lines of cocaine out back. "Rock 'n' roll's last supper," according to the man who threw the party, legendary promoter Bill Graham.

To mark the 30th anniversary of that performance, Linden and his Rodeo King associates Tom Wilson and Stephen Fearing invited a cast of fellow Canadian musicians to Glenn Gould Studio, where a pair of recorded-for-radio concerts (Wednesday and Thursday) loosely followed the Winterland program (musically, mind you -- there was no buffet).

The Rodeo Kings were the hub group, just as The Band was 30 years before. Were the vocal harmonies as affecting as the Band's? Of course not, but they were more than serviceable. Keyboardist John Whynot, drummer Bryan Owings, bassist John Dymond and a horn section complemented the trio. Special guests came and went, usually staying for one song at a time. So after a joyous version of Life Is a Carnival and a reading of Neil Young's Helpless by Ichabod Crane doppelganger Fearing, Toronto blues-romantic Paul Reddick came onboard for Mystery Train, reprising the Winterland role of singer/mouth-harpist Paul Butterfield. The rockabilly was indecisive, no fault of Reddick. Confident Dione Taylor, a Saskatchewan pastor's soulful daughter, was the correct choice to sing The Weight.

The overarching mood of the show was troublingly commemorative. The performance was not a rock 'n' roll concert as much as it was a celebration and recording of one. Wilson's heroic aping of Van Morrison's winning Caravan was crowd-pleasing, yet bothersome. Wilson was too wide-eyed, too pleased, too relieved that he had made it to a place anywhere near Morrison. A crowd member yelling out "Van the man!" was not so much wishful thinking as it was near-sighted misunderstanding.

The required swagger was supplied by singer-songwriter Kathleen Edwards, who surprised with fiddling (when it was audible; sound levels over the evening were not precise) and a commanding presence. Before singing hillbilly-sweet on Evangeline, she instructed guitarist Linden to slow down as he counted in the rhythm. Edwards seemed undaunted, as did Luke Doucet on the romping jaunt of Ophelia, when he traded guitar riffs on equal footing with Linden, no slouch.

The night's blue ribbon, though, went to the only man who was actually at Winterland all those years ago. Garth Hudson, a puzzling character with an obtrusive white beard of cotton candy, sat in for a good chunk of the second set, starting with a jazzy piano soliloquy and ending a few songs later on the voluminous encore number Chest Fever, with its phantom-of-the cathedral organ intro. Thing is, with one Hudson you get the other; the off-Broadway emoting of wheelchair-bound wife Maud hijacked It Makes No Difference, the Band's harmony showcase and most stunning mourn.

Nepotism, then. The Band -- whose fathers were blues, country, R&B, rockabilly, and black and white gospel -- sired an extended musical brood, and some of the offspring were present to pay tribute at Glenn Gould. It was a thoughtful gesture, though issue could be taken with the patriotic subtext.

The notion that The Band belongs to Canada is nationalistic delusion. They cut their teeth on Toronto's Yonge Street, but all their Big Moments were south of the border. They played American music; they fell in love with the country; they wrote The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.

Canadians can love The Band, but they can't have them, no matter how many parties they throw in the group's honour.

Highlights of We Shall Be Released air this afternoon on CBC Radio One (1 o'clock ET) and tomorrow on CBC Radio Two (2 p.m.) and CBC Radio One (8 p.m.).

Nico and the Velvet Underground
Femme Fatale

Please don't confront me with my failures
I have not forgotten them

Nico from the VU


Entered at Mon Jun 1 02:31:37 CEST 2020 from (24.114.81.5)

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Subject: I Can’t Breathe

“How many deaths will it take 'til he knows/ That too many people have died?”

.....for many.....no amount would matter....and don’t think for a minute that ignorant fools like Tiger Woods will spend one second thinking about George Floyd the next time they yuck it up and tee it up with the county’s most dangerous racist..... they won’t and nothing will change for the better.

Oh....the happier days of the Trump reign when children at the border were being separated from their parents and PUT IN CAGES..... but, hey , the stock market was at record numbers...and no one had yet imagined that 100,000 deaths could be spun into a “good news” story by Fox News....”American Exceptionalism” anybody?


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