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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

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Entered at Sat Jun 23 16:43:00 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Paul was wonderful with James Cordon.James sings well enough to sing along with Paul even pulling off a few nice harmonies. The wife and I watched and it brought tears to our eyes. Paul represents our connection to all those years ago that we'll always cherish. Beatles forever-indeed!


Entered at Fri Jun 22 21:43:00 CEST 2018 from (64.229.204.216)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks John D for the McCartney link. As Peter V says, brilliant.


Entered at Fri Jun 22 21:31:08 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Amy Helm new video

Thanks Joe. Link inserted to Amy Helm's official audio on YouTube.


Entered at Fri Jun 22 20:58:14 CEST 2018 from (67.246.38.157)

Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

Subject: Amy Helm

Her new single "This Too Shall Light" is on youtube.


Entered at Fri Jun 22 18:07:56 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Yellow sub

Sorry, that snarky note was mine -


Entered at Fri Jun 22 16:44:54 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Paul & James

Brilliant! Watched t straight through and will watch again with Mrs V later. Tears of joy stuff. Many thanks for the link, John D.

I saw James Corden on stage in "One Man Two Guv'nors" - he has fantastic rapport with an audience live.


Entered at Fri Jun 22 16:37:38 CEST 2018 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Last five played

NWC, love the early Stenhammar but he totally sold out by going Nordic. Anything after 1897 is unlistenable to me. Judas!


Entered at Fri Jun 22 14:12:18 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

jJohn D

Subject: Bill M

Once again Bill your memory is much better than mine. I remember it vaguely. Check out that Youtube video Bill; from last night. I have to respect James Corden the way he pulled this off.


Entered at Fri Jun 22 14:09:32 CEST 2018 from (64.229.204.216)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

Subject: "Yellow Submarine" as jingle

A memory from my yoot is our John D and his fellow CKFH DJs singing "We all eat at Mister Submarine, Mister Submarine, Mister Submarine" to the tune of you-know-what, circa 1970. Clever enough, and certainly enjoyable as commercial jingles go, but it couldn't have lasted more than a week. Presumably legal papers were received from The Man. Do you have any memories of the session, John D?


Entered at Fri Jun 22 14:08:54 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: James Corden & Sir Paul

Watched this last night. In all his years, this may have been the best Paul McCartney interview I have ever seen. He obviously like Corden. The tour they gave us of Liverpool ending up in a bar and surprising the crowd. People had tears in their eyes; in the bar...and maybe my wife and I teared up a little. Absolutely brilliant!!!


Entered at Fri Jun 22 13:49:07 CEST 2018 from (83.249.133.106)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Last five played

Last five played:

AUGUST SÖDERMAN (1832-1876): Svenskt Festspel
WILHELM STENHAMMAR (1871-1927): Mellanspel urSången , op 44
LARS-ERIK LARSSON (1908-1989): Pastoralsvit, op 19
WIHELM PETERSON-BERGER(1867-1942): Ur Frösöblomster
HUGO ALFVEN (1872-1960): Polka från Roslagen ur Den förlorade sonen


Entered at Fri Jun 22 13:35:45 CEST 2018 from (83.249.133.106)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Ringo's All Starr Band

The previous post (from: "Anonymous", subject: "Ringo's All Star Band 2016") made me think. I am a keen poster to a few political and academic sites here in Nordic Countries. I am constantly defending our generation (late sixties and onwards). The time was right to make this revolution against reactionary thoughts in our minds.

On the other hand: the political correctness, anti-Trump, anti-Brexit, pro-globalism has now taken over. Fascism back then and fascism now.


Entered at Thu Jun 21 20:06:29 CEST 2018 from (107.77.97.50)

Posted by:

Ringo’s All Star Band 2016

I just watched a bit of this and it was ghastly. I swear I’m not a snob but this was trite shite. All those geezers in the audience with their arms up swaying to Yellow Subnarine - they would likely find a 60’s toothpaste jingle equally moving. I’m really not a fan of my generation - the worst generation, now making America great again -


Entered at Thu Jun 21 18:17:42 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fiver

Playing for Change (In Brazil) - A change is gonna come

Teen Angel - Mark Dinning

Last Kiss - J Frank Wilson & The Cavaliers

Soul Deep - The Box Tops

Lacey J Dalton - 16th Avenue


Entered at Thu Jun 21 10:34:13 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: He honked his horn …

Many thanks for the Don't Start Me Talking reference. Levon sings the words clearly. I've spent fifty years trying to puzzle out the line "He honked his horn" on the Sonny Boy Williamson song. Levon finally makes sense of the lyric. I like the original so much that I gave the title "I'll Tell Everything I Know" to a short story collection, and it has the couplet on the title page: Don't start me talking … I'll tell everything I know. BUT I never got "he honked his horn."


Entered at Wed Jun 20 23:58:19 CEST 2018 from (70.121.56.235)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: last 5

Hey Dunc, I'm with you: love Get Up Jake

John Lennon: Walls & Bridges

George Harrison & Friends: Concert for Bangladesh

Bread: On The Waters

James Taylor: Sweet Baby James

Pete Townshend & Ronnie Lane: Rough Mix


Entered at Wed Jun 20 17:53:09 CEST 2018 from (86.132.36.31)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Thanks Bill M. I know Dylan is in a bad place health wise at the time of writing the song and I wondered if he was reflecting how mundane and meaningless part of life becomes - he wants to be young and in another place. What do I feel? Work took up an inordinate amount of time in my life. Burns, a country boy, when writing the song was in the city and wanted to be back in the countryside. But I'm not an expert. Dylan shared a flat with the late Jean Redpath, singer and academic, an expert on the work of Robert Burns.

Last five played - I'm playing loads just now.

'Music From Big Pink'

'Brown Album' - Only one improvement - I think 'Get Up Jake' would make the album even stronger. Love that song too.

'Stage Fright'

Michael McDermott - 'Willow Springs' Brilliant - Thanks, Bob F

Nic Jones 'Penguin Eggs' Brilliant - Thanks, Peter.


Entered at Wed Jun 20 10:41:46 CEST 2018 from (203.160.29.183)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: latest belated last 5

After having watched the documentary about XTC "This is Pop", I went on an XTC binge, which normally I would do in winter/early spring, not as summer approaches.

Anyhow, enough of my rambling and here are the 5:

English Settlement, Oranges & Lemons, Skylarking, Wasp Star and 25 O'Clock (The Dukes of the Stratosphear)


Entered at Wed Jun 20 05:52:53 CEST 2018 from (115.189.131.125)

Posted by:

Rod

Thanks all. I don't think it is don't start me talking. The lyrics are something like "what makes one person happy going to make another one sad". And there's a bit about an undertaker as well. It is possible of course that he just made up the lyrics.


Entered at Tue Jun 19 23:38:19 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Last song

Jon is absolutely correct. You can find it on YouTube.


Entered at Tue Jun 19 22:07:35 CEST 2018 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Yep, I think that's it. Try "levon helm don't start me talking" on Youtube, and it's the first result. I remember loving this clip when I first heard it. It sounds so different than any of the other material they were playing in the 80s, and much more like the Midnight Ramble/Dirt Farmer concepts that Levon eventually created.


Entered at Tue Jun 19 16:58:19 CEST 2018 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Levon/Garth blues song from end credits

From my memory, which can be faulty!, it might be Don't Start Me Talking by Sonny Boy Williamson.


Entered at Tue Jun 19 13:24:08 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rod

Rod, was it Willie & The Hand Jive? I've checked the video on line and that's the last track named. Wish I owned it; on DVD. I know I have it someplace; on VHS.


Entered at Tue Jun 19 12:08:46 CEST 2018 from (210.86.91.207)

Posted by:

Rod

Does anybody know what the blues song is that Garth and levon play over the closing credits of the band is Back?


Entered at Mon Jun 18 13:42:53 CEST 2018 from (72.139.193.11)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Agreed - "Highlands" is a great song, with the exception of the middle, Clothesline-Saga third. But that's the part that makes the song interesting. Why's it even there?


Entered at Sun Jun 17 17:00:18 CEST 2018 from (83.248.6.249)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Rock lyrics (on a serious side)

Finnish prominent rock poet Juice (not pronounced like the English word 'juice') Leskinen had a goal to translate Dylan's 'Desolation Road'. This task was too difficult. For the first doesn't 'Ezra Pound and T. S. Elliot' mean that much to an average Finnish teenager ... so who to choose from the Finnish literature scene instead?

Despite of his high consumtion of alcohol he died in renal insufficiency, cirrhosis and diabetes. This means that alcohol is not dangerous.


Entered at Sun Jun 17 13:29:18 CEST 2018 from (83.248.6.249)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Greater Copenhagen

Subject: Language (on a serious side) / The young drummer (mainly to Rockin Chair)

The anonymous poster "jh" has a point. We native speakers have some difficulties to "understand" (btw "jh", there is not such language 'American'). And what does the word "understand" mean academically? I mean REALLY. Nothing in northwestcoasterian linguistic theory! (I quit my plans to Ph D in translated English/American rock lyrics when I understood this fact.) You may listen to Muddy Waters' 'Mojo Working' and "understand" every single word but if you don't feel anything in your underpants (medical reasons not included), well, have you really got the message?

Yes ROCKIN CHAIR, the young drummer you mentioned is real. Everything in the internet is real ;-) "Rosalind" and derivates posted that Peter V's but is pale and my wife's mouth is big and open as a 24/7 coffee house. True I'd suppose but hardly sane to post in gb. The Band deserved better co-operators.


Entered at Sun Jun 17 03:27:36 CEST 2018 from (64.229.207.95)

Posted by:

Bill M

Haso: The original version of "Hot Rod Lincoln" by Charlie Ryan is also excellent - maybe even better. I had it on vinyl on one of those Design budget comps from the early '60s. Jan and Dean appeared on at least one of those too; I have one called "The Heart and Soul of Jan and Dean" where they're presented as the feature artist, though I think just two of their songs are on it. The rest are R&B - by at least three separate groups, all renamed the Satellites on the record.


Entered at Sun Jun 17 03:10:09 CEST 2018 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: J. Prine/cars

I forgot to report this. I recently listened to an interview by a guy out of Canada, "House of Strombo". You'd like it, Norm. Prine spends a good deal of time on the idea that if they made cars as good as the 50's & 60's, maybe the music would be as good as then.


Entered at Sun Jun 17 02:14:50 CEST 2018 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: 5 for cars

Very well done, Norm. Hot Rod Lincoln, my favorite Commander Cody tune. My older brother was more Beach Boys (although I don't know that he made much distinction btw the originals and Mike Love's sad iteration), I was Jan & Dean... so Deadman's Curve hits on all cylinders. Not that anything's wrong w/ 409.


Entered at Sat Jun 16 19:40:13 CEST 2018 from (86.187.174.227)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Jaguar and the Thunderbird - Chuck Berry, and obviously Beep Beep.


Entered at Sat Jun 16 15:06:50 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: 5 from the 50's - 60's

Hotrod Lincoln - Mabeline - 409 - Deadman's Curve - Little Deuce Coup.


Entered at Sat Jun 16 09:11:22 CEST 2018 from (86.187.163.194)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Instrummentals

Just remembered Chris Rea’s “Hofner Bluenotes” album and tour - my 2008 review is linked. That album re-created the histotry of a guitar instrumental group, in two phases, before and after they became “The Hofner Bluenotes” and was a very accurate re-creation of an era and sound.


Entered at Sat Jun 16 04:43:30 CEST 2018 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: seacoast NH

Subject: cars & 5 for Fri

Assuming that there's still a little bit of 5-last still happening here; but 1st not sure about the curb feelers, Norm. Definitely on the baby moons though. I remember as a kid in Calif. the next door neighbor 16 year old had a '55 Chevy (w/ headers, mind you that he had to cap most of the time to not attract the "fuzz"). No front bumper. Most of the the time he had baby moon hubcaps, until he switched it all out for genuine Cragar mags.

5 for today:

Allman Bros.- 1971 Fillmore East recordings, 1st show 3.12.71: Juicy Carter on sax for a few; didn't sound like any of the cuts were ones that made the original "Live at" album.

B. B. King - Live at the Regal

Alison Krause + Union Station - Live, disc 1: to my ears the mix favored the instrumentation over the vocals, not necessarily a surprise given the pickers and bow-ers there.

Off the live kick... Diana Krall - the Look of Love: kind of opposite to Alison on the mix, but then Diana's more a singer than otherwise, I suppose.

Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin': a fair amount of twin work saxes or sax/trumpet. I know Dickey Betts said that they listened to a lot of jazz when Duane and he were working out their Allman Bros. guitar stuff. Listening to this album, I wondered if they listened to S. Clark or he to them. Or not.


Entered at Sat Jun 16 00:23:19 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: S.O.S.

Used a lot of S.O.S. pads on white walls, JQ.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 23:03:01 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nick Lowe and Los Straightjackets

NL’s got a new EP out with the Straightjackets backing him. They would would fit well in the instrumental only crowd; along the lines of The Shadows and Ventures. The EP is 3 rockabilly tunes and a cover of Dionne Warwick’s Heartbreaker.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 21:46:54 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Curb feelers/alarms and white walls

I always found the curb alarms useful although my car has something electronic like that now. Scrubbing white walls was hard work - I wonder if they could come back now as retro cool; they’ve been in fashion Siberia for ages now.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 21:05:44 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The 50's

How many of you guys know, (or ever remember seeing curb strikers, feelers). Fender skirts, "Baby Moons" Benhurs for hub caps.........damn I'm gettin' old.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 20:06:32 CEST 2018 from (158.39.169.246)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: "Deuce and a Quarter"

Not having English (or American) as your first language can be challenging when you are mining the depths of information about a legendary rock band like our boys.

The death of D.J. Fontana had me listening to "Deuce and a Quarter" again today, recorded with D.J., The Band, Keith Richards and Scotty Moore at Lee's barn in '96 (see e.g. "What's New" on this site).

And after 22 years I finally found out what the title refers to: The huge Buick Electra 225 (2:deuce, quarter:25) that supposedly was a car pimper's fav in the '60s and '70s.

And that is of course exactly what the lyrics tell us (refrain):

A curb feelers and fender skirts
Scrub the chrome 'till your elbow hurts
A pinstripes and cherry packs
Grass stains on your second hand slacks.
Keep on bettin' think you gonna win
You can dress it up and try to pretend
A car's a car and that's a fact
A Deuce and a Quarter ain't no Cadillac


Entered at Fri Jun 15 17:29:28 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Highlands

Thanks, Bill M. As I once saw Groucho Marx say - 'the only good thing about ageing is it's better than the alternative.'

'Highlands' is a great song, Bill. 'My heart's in the Highlands' is a nod to Robert Burns. The first verse is full of Scottish imagery - 'honeysuckle blooming', 'Bluebells blazing', 'gentle and fair', 'Aberdeen waters flow'. I think Dylan, like Burns in this important-to-us-Scots song, would rather be in the Highlands than the place, in terms of situation and health, where he is when writing the song.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 15:45:23 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: George Semkiw

John D: Very sad about George. Thanks for passing the news along. The link's to a 1965 record by Ritchie Knight and the Mid-Knights, with some nice lead guitar by George (in the Robbie style of the day) and piano by Richard Bell. The excellent flip side, "Work Song", came up next automatically on YouTube.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 14:44:16 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Scotty Moore

Peter there are some great youtube videos of Scotty Moore playing with Eric Clapton and Mark Knopfler and others. Playing some of Elvis old Sun Records stuff. It is obvious watching those guys, Scotty is their pioneer of rock & roll pickin'.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 13:38:44 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Richie Knight & The Mid Knights Charlena

George is second; from the right on lead guitar.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 13:32:13 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: George Semkiw

There is no editing allowed on this site therefore my fingers working too fast had me spell George's last name wrong. He was in fact George Semkiw. Too much coffee this morning.


Entered at Fri Jun 15 13:29:26 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: George Semkiew

Yesterday George Semkiew passed on at 3 p.m.; from Cancer. Bill M will know the name. George was lead guitarist for a group called Ritchie Knight and the Mid-Knights who had a #1 record here in Toronto called Charlena. George got into the recording studios in 1965 and did brilliant work as an engineer. Here is a video of George talking about working on a Lou Reed record and how he and Lou got to be friends; after Lou heard George's mix of the record..


Entered at Fri Jun 15 08:40:05 CEST 2018 from (213.205.192.207)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It all comes back, eventually

The drink may not help. After posting RIP D.J. Fontana I spent half the night trying to remember the name of Elvis’s guitarist who I saw play with D.J years ago. Even though D.J was already old, he hit the drums harder than anyone else I have seen. A true great drummer. Anyway the first words in my head as I woke up wrre Scotty Moore


Entered at Fri Jun 15 02:07:47 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I know from very recent personal experience that it's not the drink, it's the age. You can't type four letters and I can't count to four without getting into trouble. And that's just today!


Entered at Thu Jun 14 22:47:21 CEST 2018 from (86.187.173.74)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: D.J. Fontana

RIP.


Entered at Thu Jun 14 21:25:46 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Honestly I'm Sober

Snow and when


Entered at Thu Jun 14 21:23:45 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Hank Snpw

Whwen I saw Ramblin' Jack Elliot in Glasgow he said 'All the best singers come from Canada...and I'm going right back to Hank Snow'.


Entered at Thu Jun 14 20:41:42 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: "I'm Movin' On"
Web: My link

The closest thing to a rock and roll hit version of "I'm Movin' On" was by US singer/drummer Matt Lucas in 1963. Touring the hit around the continent at the time, he found himself as an auxiliary Hawk, setting up his kit on the Hawkins bandstand and singing his hit and other songs with our guys for a couple weeks.

Hawkins then put him on the road with a hand-picked troupe of Hawkins cronies - Kelly Jay on piano, Sandy Konikoff on drums and Ernie Corallo on guitar. I've talked to all five of them individually and they all told the same story of one particular gig in Indiana where underage Ernie, unable to go onstage, plugged a super-long cord into the onstage amp and played from the kitchen.


Entered at Thu Jun 14 20:26:37 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

JQ: Odd that you should mention right when I posted a great song from John Kay's first album sans Steppenwolf. Another song from that album was his version of Hank Snow's "I'm Movin' On". Hank, a Nova Scotian, had a hit with an rewrite of "I've Been Everywhere"; and decades later another fine Nova Scotian rewrite hit the stands - but the airwaves, not so much. See link.


Entered at Thu Jun 14 20:17:37 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Wikipedia tells me that the bassist in Storybook People was George Biondo, who we Steppenwolf fans will know to have replaced Nick St Nicholas as the group's bassist from "Steppenwolf 7" to "Slow Flux" (and maybe beyond). He was certainly in the John Kay Band with Kay, Larry Byrom and two refugees from the Mandala, Whitey Glan and Hugh Sullivan.

Something that was news to me was the Biondo had replaced St Nicholas when Nick left the LA band TIME (nee the Hardtimes) to rejoin his Toronto buddies in Steppenwolf, Biondo was called in to replace him. And when Nick left Steppenwolf after "Live", Biondo was called in to replace him there too.

The link is to the strong Kay and band (Biondo, Byrom, Glan, Sullivan) version of Richard Farina's "Bold Marauder". A performance I'd always loved but had forgotten all about.


Entered at Thu Jun 14 20:13:34 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Hank Snow

Hi Bill M - Would Hank have been considered a Canadian oldie?


Entered at Thu Jun 14 19:36:45 CEST 2018 from (74.12.51.227)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

John D: Thanks for the tip about the Dusty Oldies site. It happened to be a day when the oldies weren't Canadian so I can't judge its worthiness on that score yet, but it was really nice to be introduced to this song by the Storybook People. Even if the chassis is a modified "Runaway".


Entered at Thu Jun 14 15:44:58 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Very quiet site these days.....


Entered at Wed Jun 13 20:23:30 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Bert Weedon

Peter; just looking at "Rockin' At The Rockhouse" would want me to check out Bert. Also just listened to his Guitar Boogie Shuffle. Great guitar player.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 22:41:48 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Billy Byrd and the almighty Ernest Tubb

PV - BIlly Byrd served in ET’s band for awhile. ET had the generous habit of naming his guitar players before they took a lead: “Ah Billy Byrd”.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 22:14:45 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Sally Go Round the Roses + guitar playing

I didn't know anything about the Jaynetts. Never heard them and enjoyed their version of 'Sally Go Round the Roses'. Thanks, Peter.

But Pentangle's version of 'Sally Go Round the Roses' is musical perfection for me. Every musician doing their job brilliantly. So together. Just like The Band.

And it must be one of John Renbourn's finest guitar solos. And relevant to the song. Sheer brilliance.

Sorry I can't link it. Guitar fans, look it up on Youtube.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 21:54:32 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Guitar Boogie Shuffle

About 1956 when my oldest brother was 16, he any a few of his side kicks got to playing music. Howie started on accordion and then got to guitar. Guitar Boogie was the must that you had to play if you were going to be a picker.

First Gibson "Les Paul" I ever saw was one of that bunch. A guy named Ed Folk. That guitar was the Cadillac back then. That is when Howie and I first realized how well we could harmonize and we did every Everly Brothers song.

There is so many covers of that old Arthur Smith song from 1945. Some are a little too fast some a little slow. As John says the Virtues were pretty good, but if you listen to the Ventures on youtube here the groove they have and the over all sound is the best for me.

Had to drive over to Port Hardy this morning. Listening to Nic Jones all the way there and back. It is very comfortable for me. Some of his songs make it easy to understand how they Celtic sound floated all the way across that water and hit the east coast of Canada and rolled all the way out to this island. Even that Cajun music down in Louisiana you can hear the influence.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 21:19:20 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Play In A Day

The UK hit of Guitar Boogie Shuffle was by Bert Weedon on Top Rank. Bert wrote the basic guitar tutor "Play In A Day" which just about every British guitarist of note bought and learned to play from. He also did cover versions of ANY instrumental hit by anybody for Woolworth's Embassy budget label under a variety of fake names. Link to his version.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 20:03:54 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill M

Well.....After listening a little bit, maybe not Bill.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 19:59:48 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M

Bill M, have I got a site for you!! All Canadian oldies; on the net.


Entered at Tue Jun 12 19:36:17 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Guitar Boogie Shuffle

One of my all time favourite instrumentals; from the group "The Virtues."


Entered at Tue Jun 12 16:27:26 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Guitar Boogie Shuffle …

Back to discussion of instrumentals, I saw an LP today called "Tennessee Guitars" from 1962. I only noticed it because it's on the much-coveted "Stateside" label over here. It's full of guys I've never heard of (Jimmy Capps, Hardrock Gunter, Tommy Hill, Eddie Eddings, Billy Byrd, Arthur "Guitar Boogie" Smith … plus Thumbs Carlisle who Garth worked with once. Anyway, it's now in the pile waiting to be played.


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Bill M

Peter V: I've now heard three versions of "Clothesline Sage" - Dylan then Cowboy Junkies then Roches. Which is the order I'd place them in quality-wise too, though I can see swapping #3 for #2 if that's the cover you heard first. I find that the three voices in unison turn it into an art song presenting itself as a little something for The Yokels. Margo Timmins really is swatting flies on the porch, it seems to me. Too bad that version - with Garth - isn't on YouTube.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 23:26:03 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

I think Dylan's performance at IOW is great. That and the Concert for Bangladesh are my favourites. I'd love to see an official release for The Band at Woodstock and IOW.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 21:31:19 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Apologies …

Just played both, Band Isle of Wight bootlegs are awful. I was thinking the Woodstock soundboard (exactly the same set list) BUT if the Dylan is that good, there must be an equally good tape of The Band. Same Pye Records Mobile recording facility. Pye were hired in by CBS / Columbia. The Band were Capitol / EMI but presumably the same set up was used.

though apparently there is little interest in this …


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Isle of Wight

One for Sebastian if he ever looks in. When it was bootlegs only, The Band IoW set sounded way better quality than the Dylan, But the Dylan from the proper tapes sounds really fine. So wouldn't The Band set sound even finer? The alleged soundboard bootleg is very good already.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 17:05:37 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cowboy Junkies Version

Yes, I'd forgotten how great the piano playing by Garth is. The Cowboy Junkies get the laconic feel perfectly, but I think The Roches edge it because of having the three female voices, and the solo insistent guitar helps the song. Both wonderful versions which proves the song sounds better with a female voice, which is natural when you look at the original subtitle: "Answer to Ode." Inspired by Bobbie Gentry's Ode to Billy Joe.

Just been listening to "I Dreamed I Saw St Augustine" from the Isle of Wight which has lovely rolling piano, presumably Richard as there's organ behind, though they used to switch in The Weight - Garth on piano, and Richard on organ. But the credits are clear. Throughout the Dylan set, Richard was in especially good form, showing what they lacked later in their career when he wasn't. The Foulks book says another delay in setting up before The Band's set was the insistence of the piano tuner that he needed to attend to the grand piano on stage … being out of doors as evening draws in and temperature changes would be an issue.

I've really enjoyed a couple of days of Dylan's Isle of Wight set playing. The old bootlegs were awful, but the 2013 remaster is excellent.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 17:00:19 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Put Yer Money where yer mouth is!

I'm not a fan of Justin Trudeau much, however when Trump starts calling him meek and week......well Trump is supposed to like boxing and consider himself a big tough guy. He should get in the ring with Trudeau. I'm sure he'd get the same as Patrick Brazeau got.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Clothes Line Saga

Peter I would tend to agree; but check out the version by the Cowboy Junkies; on Garh’s Canadian Tribute to the Band album. I could not find a link anywhere to post here.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Clothes Line Saga

Just the mention of "Clothes Line Saga" has me posting The Roches version. Simply the best the song's been done.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 13:26:10 CEST 2018 from (72.139.206.248)

Posted by:

Bill M

Another of the CDS I recently 'inherited' is "Time Out of Mind", which I'd never even heard before. Has some stunning cuts, thanks in large part to Daniel Lanois' production. The one that gets me is "Highlands", not because of the production in the first and last bunch of verses, but the less-produced 'dream sequence' verses that follow the reference to Neil Young. Lyrics-wise, backing-wise and phrasing-wise, Dylan returns to "The Clothesline Saga" of "the Basement Tapes". Mostly it's "she sez this" and "she sez that", but in a nod to modern conversational usage, in one place it's "She goes 'Away from here!'", which Bob takes as an order and slides offa his chair.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 09:58:31 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Isle of Wight 1969

The book on Isle of Wight 1969 naturally had me put the CD on. Dylan is subdued, but The Band sound great. In particular, Richard’s piano is mixed high on the remaster instead of being virtually lost, and Rick plays some uncharacteristic bass lines too. It’s clear that certain dynamic points had been carefully rehearsed.

I can see the Dylan issue. He had been nervous after a long lay off from complete shows and they were two hours late. You can burn out the necessary adrenalin when that happens.

Decades ago I was speaking at a major conference in Greece, and due to speak at 5 pm to several hundred people. The afternoon was a debate between the private language schools and Ministry of Education, scheduled for an hour. My publisher’s rep said “Don’t get into speaking mode. I guarantee you will be at least two hours late, probably three. This is Greece. They’re talking about politics and taxes. They’ll over-run. Stay relaxed.” A fellow author from a rival publisher was due on directly before me at 4. He was bursting with adrenalin. We were all in the book exhibition hall, with no one except publisher’s reps and authors. He kept us entertained with jokes and scurrilous songs about his publisher. When he finally got to speak, two and a half hours late, he was wrung out. He did 35 minutes instead of 60. Adrenalin all used up waiting.

I can hear that’s what happened to Bob, hence the one hour show. Levon said they had 9 or 10 more songs rehearsed and ready to play.


Entered at Mon Jun 11 09:37:18 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Let's not watch the South Park movie!


Entered at Mon Jun 11 00:35:06 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Opportunity Lost

When I was a young guy, (about 27) I was beginning in Management for a very big company. We went to seminars that we at first joked about, however they became something for me that was an education That really helped me in work as a foreman, manager. and then to operate my own business. I made a lot of mistakes but in the end ran a respectful, reasonably successful little operation.

My point is when a man has the opportunity to be president of the most powerful country in the world, he has the opportunity to show the world what he is really made of. Honesty, sincerity, compassion for the poor and to help build a better world. It is very sad to watch some one who has none of those qualities make such a fool of himself.

The tag "back stabber" became apparent very early. I said this before to fire a man over the phone immediately shows absolute cowardice. When he fired James Comey and the man had to see it first on TV. That is the ultimate insult and confirms he can't be trusted. Things have only gone from bad to worse. Every day the same things are repeated over and over and only escalate. It is like watching a bad movie when you only have one channel and you keep saying to yourself. "When in fuck is this going to end."

A lady from this site who I have been friends with on Face Book for several years, posted to my time line yesterday. A big colorful poster saying who will join in giving our Canadian friends a big apology. There were thousands of people apologizing. That brings a lump to your throat and should never be necessary. The USA and Canada are joined at the hip. We have relatives on both sides of this border. There are many from each side of this border who have business holdings and own property on each side.

We of course have people in every country who have their own political party and different views. People in the USA are so divided there is absolute hatred there. That is dangerous.


Entered at Sun Jun 10 23:18:29 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Go for it, Justin!

Watching the BBC News … the Canadian spokeswoman said “Canada is the strongest ally that the USA HAS HAD.” Spot on grammar. Not “has,” but “has had” Present perfect tense. A completed action. It is unbelievable what a total arsehole Trump is. Baby tantrum reaction to someone saying what Trump keeps saying himself, "We will not be pushed around.'


Entered at Sun Jun 10 22:53:34 CEST 2018 from (107.77.97.87)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Emperor of Earth

Canucks - Does not your young leader know that he must bow and scrape to the king? King Cunt that is -


Entered at Sun Jun 10 17:49:35 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Manchurien Candidate

One difference Peter. I don't think they had to hypnotize him or anything else to get him to do it. Just tell him how great and beautiful he is and offer him a few rubles.


Entered at Sun Jun 10 12:13:52 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Why am I not surprised? Just back from buying the Sunday papers. Yes, Russia was financing part of the Brexit campaign. As I said the day after the vote, "The person laughing about this will be Putin." Now we see that the complex trail involves Trump too.

Essential reading: The Manchurian Candidate by Richard Condon. It came true.


Entered at Sun Jun 10 10:48:54 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Just finished "Stealing Dylan from Woodstock." Full of interesting nuggets on IoW 1969.

The Who were contracted and booked for £450 a few months before, when they had a dip in popularity (I saw them around then). Their manager Kit Lambert read about Dylan's $50,000 and The Band's $20,000 and went apeshit, saying he would pull them from Saturday night unless they were paid £5000. Fortunately Pete Townsend intervened and said they would play, and the Foulks brothers doubled their fee to £900 as a goodwill gesture. As they rented a helicopter to come and go they would have lost money.

Also, the 2013 Another Self Portrait box set with the complete IoW set triggered a $2000 clause in the original contract to the organizers. A long 44 year wait!


Entered at Sun Jun 10 04:08:11 CEST 2018 from (24.114.57.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Rockin C: Very sorry to hear thaat you feel you'll have to sell your namesake. That sucks, big time. This is not your biggest worry, but have you decided which of your other boats you'll name yourself after?


Entered at Sun Jun 10 00:11:38 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Adapting

Thanks for the help JQ. That is a really good idea. It's pretty pathetic when you get in the shower in the morning and you got to turn the taps on with your left hand, the right one won't do it.

Turning screws in with a screw driver, and even using the electric drill and the Robertson bit has become a chore. I have almost done my x fish boat refit. I've had a lot of problems from my stupidity. So busy with that tug and barge for years. This boat sat in this shop yard and the water lines for the domestic water froze and split. I just finished replacing the main battery switch. Too many things when you neglect boats and machinery.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 23:33:42 CEST 2018 from (107.77.97.87)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Arthritis

Westcoaster- Something I did which was helpful was to change out all our doosknobs for the pull-down handle type.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 21:56:30 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Collectors

Well collecting music......records cd's etc. isn't so bad I guess. I have a few but I'm not like Peter. Good lord. I have a small amout of favourites.

I have no sympathy for you guys tho' Paul. I collect boats! Now that is really stupid!. The cheapest one I own, (I just took all the mahogany seats, side rails, steering consul out and sanded and refinished all the pieces and put it all back together). It is a 13.5 ft. Boston Whaler with a 50HP Mercury outboard. As with anything there are people who are fanatics over Boston Whaler, and Monk McQueens like my biggest boat. Just like some guys with old cars.

My Whaler is about 40 years old but is like new, so that little thing is worth over $10,000. The Monk McQueen is 52 feet built in 1967. It is built almost completely of Teak. The hull planking is teak. The frames are oak, most the cabin is mahogany and the interior is teak and mahogany. It is worth if I am lucky I'll get $200,000, but the marine survey (which insurance requires) puts replacement cost at $1,300,000. Of course the insurance only covers market value. So don't go collecting boats.....unless you win the lottery.

Now I have to start going to an arthritis specialist so I have to sell that Rockin Chair. I can't handle it any more. This getting old is bullshit. I'm never doing it again!


Entered at Sat Jun 9 19:51:34 CEST 2018 from (107.211.249.207)

Posted by:

Paul

Location: Chicago

If I went through my LP, CD, cassette collection and found all the duplicated songs or entire records, and did the math on how much I've spent that way, I'd break down in tears. I refuse to do it. I think I've only got "Think About It" and "Gone Again" because I bought everything more than once.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 19:32:28 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: MFBP and The Band

The original MP3 versions of these are real crap.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 18:51:02 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, but with Otis you're supposed to have a vinyl copy and a CD copy on the shelf next to the computer. As with the Band.

I saw the 50th" Big Pink on vinyl last week. I wasn't tempted. I have multiple vinyl, CD and DVD-A copies already.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 18:19:29 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Remiss???

Peter- Peter - Peter.........any one with a computer has it close at hand :-)


Entered at Sat Jun 9 17:37:37 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Think About It

Youtube link for anyone remiss enough not to have this Otis song at close hand …


Entered at Sat Jun 9 17:34:43 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Think About It

Agreed, Paul. It wouldn't have struck me as one of his best until this CD though. Co-written with Don Covay(and it has a Don Covay feel somehow). King Floyd released a single too, but Otis's version is the ultimate.

"I'm the one who gave you your first taste of paradise …

Indeed. Great lyric.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 17:04:06 CEST 2018 from (107.211.249.207)

Posted by:

Paul

Location: Chicago

A quick look at the Dock of the Bay Sessions CD shows a bunch of songs that show up in a lot of compilations, and two that do not: "Think About It" and "Gone Again." I'd put both those in my Best of Otis list, but somehow they never get into the compilations that appear most years.


Entered at Sat Jun 9 10:49:00 CEST 2018 from (210.86.82.226)

Posted by:

Rod

Does anyone else think the 50th anniversary release of Big Pink looks a bit tacky? Maybe there's something new there to salvage it but I can't really see the point of another re-release.


Entered at Fri Jun 8 21:00:45 CEST 2018 from (24.114.69.126)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: is Norm making fun of us, bragging like that?


Entered at Fri Jun 8 20:00:25 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin C hair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Johanne Astrid

Johanne Astrid is a 10 year old little blonde girl in Denmark. She won the "Denmark's Got Talent".

Some body watch this and tell what I saw is real. She plays drums with these heavy metal guys who are kick ass. She plays for one Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love". It is hard to believe the power and drive this sweet little girl has. Some rocker has died and been reincarnated. When she climbs off those drums and takes her bow, she is the sweetest looking little thing. When she is on that drum stool she scares the hell out of me!


Entered at Fri Jun 8 15:54:18 CEST 2018 from (203.160.29.183)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: If it's Friday....

Dr. John - Locked Down

The Rolling Stones - From the Vault Sticky Fingers

B.B. King - One Kind Favor

Reuben Wilson - Blue Mode

The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed


Entered at Fri Jun 8 13:20:23 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In favour of the song being Sally Go Round The Roses (Jaynetts, 1963), Pentangle covered it in 1969, as had Grace Slick & The Great Society earlier.


Entered at Fri Jun 8 11:53:07 CEST 2018 from (32.212.246.237)

Posted by:

Chris

Location: USA

Subject: "Official" Band site?

I love this site. As far as I'm concerned, THIS is the office site of The Band, and NOT the merch filled money grab site that has Robbie's name all over it.

Keep doing what you're doing. God bless you.


Entered at Fri Jun 8 11:11:22 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Last Five

Penguin Eggs - Nic Jones

The Dock of The Bay Sessions - Otis Redding

Graceland: The Remixes- Paul Simon

The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter - Incredible String Band

Eclection - Eclection.

As I've been playing Penguin Eggs non stop, this goes back a few days.


Entered at Fri Jun 8 11:07:25 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mississippi River festival 1969

Reading “Stealing Dylan from Woodstock” by Ray Foulks. It’s fascinating how these guys managed to collect guarantees of $50,000 dollars for Dylan, $20,000 for The Band, $7,000 for Richie Havens (part of Grossman’s package) and $10,000 for travel expenses from nothing. They say it’s around £750,000 in modern money.

They mention Dylan appearing with The Band for four numbers at the Mississippi River Festival, as a try-out before they agreed to do the show. The songs were Ain’t Got No Home, Slippin’ and Slidin’, In The Pines and an unknown one. I went to Expecting Rain where someone claims to have a soundboard and the unknown one is Sally Go Round The Roses. He’s met with disbelief and it seems highly unlikely that a soundboard would never have surfaced in 50 years. The song isn’t impossible though … think of I Got You Babe with Tiny Tim, Mockingbird with Cher, or Tom Petty saying that one night in Australia, Dylan just started Da Doo Ron Ron with no warning.

He also says that The Band travelled to the UK in two sections - first Levon, Garth and Richard; with Rick and Robbie arriving later. In the photos of press conferences with Dylan, it's just Robbie and Rick.


Entered at Fri Jun 8 10:54:58 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Enjoyed the clip, Peter. A poignant story. Five for Friday:

The Who - 'My Generation' - the album.

The Troggs - 'Their Very Best'

Love Affair - 'The Best of the Good Times'

Small Faces - ''16 Original Recordings'

Pickettywitch - 'I Still Get That Same Old Feeling' - single - huge local hit at the time. It was her eyes which did it for me.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 20:40:30 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: GIMMIE FIVE!!!

Nic Jones - Penguin Eggs.....Had to drive to Port Hardy, listened to the whole CD. Peter am I hearing a "Penny Whistle" in some of those songs?

Jeff Beck & Tal Wilkenfeld.....exuberante!

Fleetwood Mac - The Dance - Live show 1997 - really great - love to watch Linsay Buckingham a very under rated picker. Watch his fingers on guitar and banjo.

Carolyn Wonderland - "I live alone with Some one" - on her Tely watch her fingers a very similar style to Linsey Buckingham. Some call her a female Stevie Ray Vaughn. She sings a lot like Janis Joplen only better I think.

Carolyn Wonderland cuttin' heads with Bonnie Raite at Austin City Limits.

Well I gotta say. Myarthritis especially in my right hand is so bad now the last few days my two small fingers on that hand are so swollen and it feels like I have them in the fire. The lady doctor x-rayed my hand. She said Norm you have a terrible amount of arthritis. She pushed on every place she saw it and that was every spot the pian is most unbearable. I got anti-inflammatory pills today. She said quit swinging the axe so much but keep working and doing things just not so much. You have to do a lot of finger movement so keep trying to play the guitar.....yeah right. So folks....for working 56 years...this is what you get. I can hardly handle the key board.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 18:43:27 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Tal Wilkenfeld

Tal has played or sat in with Jeff Beck,Oteil Burbridge,Gregg Allman,Yosi Piamenta and others.She is a masterful bass player who can handle rock,blues and jazz equally well.Saw her when she first started out and was blown away.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 18:15:21 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Dock Of the Bay sessions

This CD has had good reviews. After Otis Redding died they got three albums from stuff in the vaults. Here with the assistance of Steve Cropper, they set out to assemble the single NEXT album they reckon Otis might have chosen from among those three posthumous releases, focussing on material recorded close to Dock of The Bay. OK, I have all the albums and I could assemble it in iTunes, but it's medium price - £5.99 I paid rather than £10.99 or £11.99 for a new release, and it's been remastered by the sound of it. It runs very well as an album - as did "Otis Blue." Worth getting even if you could assemble it.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 18:06:02 CEST 2018 from (107.211.249.207)

Posted by:

Paul

Location: chicago

My favorite instrumentals are "Twine Time" from Alvin Cash and the Crawlers, and "Bo's Bounce" from Bo Diddley. Instrumentals, to me, are the 45s that got sold for jukebox play, and there's no modern equivalent.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 17:23:49 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Little Pot Stove

One for Dunc and Norm. Nic Jones couldn't perform again for 30 years after his 1983 car accident, and I believe still can't play guitar BUT he can sing, and the link takes you to Little Pot Stove at Cambridge Folk Festival in 2012, with his son Joseph Jones taking over the guitar part.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 17:13:58 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bass

She is incredible. Pity that guy with the white guitar keeps interrupting!


Entered at Thu Jun 7 15:18:15 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Floyd Cramer

When you guys are considering tunes like "Time is Tight" also listen to Floyd Cramer , "On the Rebound".


Entered at Thu Jun 7 14:40:08 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tal Wilkenfeld

Jan, don't know if you noticed it but I think it's 2010 she is playing with Herbie Hancock and it is unbelievable.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 14:38:56 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto
Web: My link

Landmark!! How are you?

Instrumentals - let us not forget Rhinoceros's "Apricot Brandy" from 1969, which I understand was used as the theme song for a British pop show of the day. Written by organist Michael Fonfara, who still plays around town regularly, and guitarist Danny Weis, who I believe is still based an hour and a half north of here. The only time I saw him play this millennium was in Danny Brooks's band, with Fonfara on piano and Richard Bell on organ. BEG was in the audience too, come to think of it.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 14:13:52 CEST 2018 from (158.39.165.144)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Tal Wilkenfeld

Amazing stuff. And she is only 19 in this video!


Entered at Thu Jun 7 12:53:03 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Peaches en Regalia

Given the airplay, that could have been a hit. I first heard Zappa's "Hot Rats" from the AWB horn section when they were in Moguil Thrash, Dunc!


Entered at Thu Jun 7 12:43:30 CEST 2018 from (137.175.224.48)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Frank Zappa wrote many, many instrumentals. He may not have been a top srelling artist but many symphonies, orchestras, marching bands, and rock bands are keeping his music alive.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 11:19:50 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Precocious kid

That's right, JQ, a precocious kid. But I was intrigued that you were listening to the album. He was influenced by Davey Graham and Bert Jansch at the time. The album cost 158 pounds to make. I bought the album some time after I heard 'Solid Air'. At the time of the release of the album I would be listening to the charts - the Kinks, Beatles, Love Affair, Small Faces, Stones, Tamla etc. Cream albums became important to me. 'Eric Clapton is God' era.

But for me, John Martyn is brilliant. Things like this happen all the time - I was driving (between grandchildren) and listening to Radio 2 yesterday and the singer songwriter Judy Tzuke was on. She talked about how great John Martyn was and that she gave up playing the guitar when she heard him. She was going to work with him before he became very ill. 'May You Never' was played after she said it was her and her daughter's party piece.

Which ties me in nicely with Wallsend. Hi, Wallsend. I read recently the Glasgow folkies, including John Martyn at the time clubbed together and brought Gary Davis across to play a gig in Glasgow. So he will have heard 'Cocaine' played live. I'm going to explore Tony McManus more.

Away upto Glasgow, looking at music.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 10:34:07 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Instrumentals

Pick Up The Pieces, as Dunc points out is the clearest one.

“Time is Tight” is a small band soul / rock instrumental. If you move to film and TV themes there are a lot later. Start with Chariots of Fire by Vangelis, US #1, UK #12. Though actually Time Is Tight” was also recorded as a film theme to “Uptight” in 1968, but given that the film was obscure and the hit was big, I don’t think its hit status was anything to do with the film. But then Theme From Shaft (1971), by Isaac Hayes, is virtually an instrumental (the odd words take little time) also film related,

Film and TV Themes: Check out Ennio Morricone, Vangelis, John Williams (guitarist). Star Wars was US #10 in 1977. Moving off orchestral, Dueling Banjos was a US #2 UK #19 1972 hit for Eric Weissberg (Deliverance). Who Pays The Ferryman? Was a UK #11 hit in 1977 for Yannis Markopoulos. Howards Way theme was UK #21 in 1985

The Shadows had a string of UK 1980s Top Ten hits with mainly film / stage related covers … Don’t Cry For Me Argentina, Theme from Deer Hunter etc.

The Allman Brothers “Jessica” made US #29 (Easy Listening!) in 1973. The song is SO well known in the UK as the Top Gear Theme, but wasn’t a hit. Similarly Angela (Theme from Taxi) by Bob James is a very common 45, but never actually charted in the UK. It just seemed like it had.

One is an oddity. Chi Mai by Ennio Morricone, UK #2. It was the theme to a BBC series on Lloyd George in 1981. The single has appeared in virtually every charity (thrift) shop since I started my book on record collecting. It’s always in “as new” condition. I reckon that at some point a vast quantity of unsold stock went to charity shops

I reckon there were a lot of TV / Film related hits BUT apart from Pick Up The Pieces I’m finding it very hard to find a totally wordless rock / soul instrumental with no TV / Film connection after Time Is Tight that was a major hit.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 10:01:11 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Instrumental

'Pick Up The Pieces' by the Average White Band was number one in America on 22nd February, 1975. It peaked at Number 5 in the soul charts.

Nobody got the answer to the quiz question. This brilliant instrumental is from the brilliant 'Average White Band'.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 07:48:50 CEST 2018 from (110.146.150.105)

Posted by:

Doug

Subject: instrumental

To answer my own question from a couple of days ago the last instrumental hit, defined as Top 40 single with no vocals whatsoever, I can come up with is Booker T & MG's Time is Tight from 1969. I thought Love is Blue could be later but wiki says otherwise.


Entered at Thu Jun 7 00:43:58 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Appreciation

Wet down to the Post Office and got my mail. Came home with Nic Jones "Penguin Eggs" playing in my truck. Thank you so much Peter.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 23:09:58 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Yellow Bird

Not a hit here for Arthur Lyman. My immediate association is Harry Belafonte, not that it was a hit single. Cy Grant used to do it too (he did a daily topical calypso on the early evening "Tonight" TV show).


Entered at Wed Jun 6 22:27:12 CEST 2018 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Once Chuck Leavell sat in with a band I was in. We finished with Telstar. Afterwards he said he was waiting his whole life to play that song live.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 21:44:13 CEST 2018 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Amy Helm

Nice news in my inbox that Amy Helm has signed with Yep Roc Records, and will release her second solo album on their label later this year.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 21:36:13 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Yellow Bird

Sorry JQ already covered it.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 21:23:56 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Arthur Lyman

Peter, What about Yellow Bird?


Entered at Wed Jun 6 21:12:43 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Arthur Lyman is readily available here but he never had a hit. I have 45s of Taboo and Love for Sale.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 20:22:30 CEST 2018 from (107.77.109.89)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Exotica

On instrumentals: PV - I didn’t see Arthur Lyman on your list. I’m not sure of the year but Quiet Village and Yellow Bird were pretty big here. There too?

I did see B Bumble (& The Stingers?) which was just right for my ADD. I vibrated right out of my desk when the nun played it as pop intro to classical music.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 19:47:42 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: ISB

I'm sure you're right, Bill. The sleeve to "Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" states they each sing on their own compositions. Must look up what Joe Boyd said, it was a few years back when I read it.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 19:46:09 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: TALENT!!

Playing around with youtube. I'm putting together an all girl band in my mind.

Tal Wilkenfeld on bass. A girl from Austin Texas on lead guitar, "Carolyn Wonderland" if you haven't heard her, think of Janis Joplin and Carlos Santana having a kid. Joan Osborne for vocals. I'm interviewing for drummers and maybe piano.

There is a youtube video I just watched that is pretty amazing. Fleetwood Mac's "Go Your Own Way". By Jadyn Rylee (singer about 14) Sina on drums girl about 14, lead guitar Andrei Cerbu a boy about 15. Gawd Damn the sound these kids produce....well just listen.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 19:14:16 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tal Wilkenfeld

On the subject of instrumentals. I had a youtube video come up I watched a while back. At Clapton's Cross Roads Music Festival in Chicage 2007. Has any one watched this young lady from Australia, Tal Wilkenfeld play bass with Jeff Beck?

I never get tired of watching Jeff Beck and with this little dolly it is magic. I think the song is called "We ended up Lovers" just beautiful music from both of them.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 18:27:18 CEST 2018 from (107.77.109.89)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Fresh Cream - 1967

I sparked my own interest and looked back to this LP. Some great tracks: NSU, Cat’s Squirrel, I’m So Glad, Rolling & Tumbling, etc. I was 17 then and it was a revelation and another example of how the Brits brought American music back home to us, to my generation. We had the Beatles and that was great but not much of our own country’s blues. Since then, I’ve ever stopped drilling down into blues music.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 17:56:24 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: My favourite ISB has always been "The Big Huge". Not including "The Wee Tam", which was packaged as a separate LP here. I had the impression that one of them was more prone to acid and the other religion.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 17:44:09 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

There was a kind of Shadows backlash, I guess, and The Beatles were at the forefront BUT … they also did the linked one.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 17:39:47 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: ISB

Dunc mentioned The Incredible String Band, which caused me to dust off the "5000 Spirits or The Layers of The Onion". Still magical.

Then I moved on to The Hangman' Beautiful Daughter. The same doubts surfaced as when I first heard it (at full length) in a listening booth in a Hull record shop. They let you in those days. In Joe Boyd's book he mentions their decline after "Hangman's Beautiful Daughter". I assume the toxic combination of LSD and religion was at fault. But you can see it surfacing already on the album. Some is magical, but the 12 minute plus "Very Cellular Song" betrays signs of losing it to me.

Today's secondhand find was "Cunning Stunts" by Caravan from 1975. An album mainly renowned for its title.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 17:34:41 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

From "Dance With The Shadows." I think that was the last Shadows one we ever learned before moving elsewhere. We'd already stopped doing that sort of stuff, but it was so good we tried it amidst the Chuck Berry.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 16:32:54 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Instrumentals

I bought more Instrumental 45's than I can count. I loved them. Here is one of my favourites by a group that I'm told the Beatles were not fans of. Still, I turn it up anytime I hear it. Here come The Shadows.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 14:55:01 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

The focus of the "Today in History" feature in today's paper is the patenting of the electric iron in 1882. Made me picture our Richard standing at the ironing board a century later, putting the finishing touches on a grilled cheese sandwich. What would the inventors have thought?


Entered at Wed Jun 6 13:58:03 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Instrumentals October 1961- October 62

Just took a glance at my British chart book for the year before the Beatles “Love Me Do”.

Stranger on The Shore- Acker Bilk

Kon Tiki, The Savage, Wonderful Land, Guitar Tango – The Shadows

Sucu Sucu- Laurie Johnson

Wheels Cha Cha, The Maigret Theme – Joe Loss

Chili Bom Bom, Charleston – Temperance Seven

Take Five , It’s A Raggy Waltz, Unsquare Dance – Dave Brubeck

Midnight in Moscow, March of The Siamese Childen, Green Leaves of Summer , The Pay Off – Kenny Ball

Toy Balloons, Lesson One – Russ Conway

Mrs Mills Medley

Let There Be Drums – Sandy Nelson

Theme From Z Cars (2 versions) – Johnny Keating, & Norrie Paramour

Dr Kildare Theme – Johnny Spence

Nut Rocker – B. Bumble

Deep in The Heart of Texas, Ballad of Paladin – Duane Eddy,

Orange Blossom Special – The Spotniks

Main Title Theme, Some People – Jet Harris

Telstar- The Tornados

The James Bond Theme – John Barry

When I started looking, I’d expected far more. I think that’s because I bought a lot of instrumentals. On average there seem two or maybe three instrumentals in each Top 30. So 10%. I can’t be bothered to see if it changed significantly later, but I do recall it as an era with lots of instrumentals. It’s surprising how well both Dave Brubeck and Kenny Ball did. Dave Brubeck because it's jazz, though I assume very little or no improvisation. Though Kenny Ball is trad jazz arrangements of film themes.

In sales and chart terms, The Shadows dominate.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 02:20:46 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Frank with blank

Rockin C: Frank Mills - previously with the Bells. Made enough money off that song that he moved to Bermuda (or some other warm B island) and, I think, retired from music, or at least the work of music. The fastest and bestest grand slam in the music business that I can think of was hit by one of John D's highschool classmates, Mars Bonfire, who wrote "Born To Be Wild" and never had to work again - though he did, a bit and probably just for fun - some projects with Kim Fowley, including "Rainbow Red Oxydizer" (or similar) and a Gene Vincent comeback album.


Entered at Wed Jun 6 00:40:11 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Peter, I think I also knew that Indian/Irish guy you wrote about. Wasn't he that annoying guy that always had to have the last word in any argument?


Entered at Tue Jun 5 23:36:41 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Instrumentals

How about all the work of Flloyd Cramer, Aker Bilk and (what is his name Frank.......) Music Box Dancer. Chet Atkins, and...aaaaw I'm losing my mind.......The Trumpet guy Herb Alpert.

I mentioned that pan flute guy here a while back, (and nearly got shot) Zamphire. But he was very popular maybe 20 years ago.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 23:04:27 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Instrumentals

I'd define them as succinct pieces with a beginning and a middle and an end. Could be guitar led (Shadows, Ventures, Duane Eddy, Link Wray) or constrained jazz with a melody (Dave Brubeck, Cannonball Adderley's Mercy Mercy, Kenny Ball's Jazzmen) or film / TV themes (Sukiyaki, Green Leaves of Summer) or soul (Booker T, Dave Baby Cortez, The Mar-Keys).

But not an extended improvisation or jam which is another category. I'd say extending beyond four minutes creates the other category.

Today's instrumentals here were Smokie Joe's La La by Googie Renee Combo and In The Midnight Hour by Little Mack & The Big Sound.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 19:37:57 CEST 2018 from (174.203.36.94)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Instrumentals

Miles,Coltrane,and Monk played some of the finest instrumentals and extended jams. The most interesting jazz/rock/blues fusion is "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" by Dickey Betts. If songs that turn into extended jams count,Cream,Grateful Dead,and Allman Brothers are right up there.Are jams instrumentals might be the question? Jessica,Les Brers in A minor and Mountain Jam are all pure instrumentals by The Allmans that are quite incredible.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 19:09:50 CEST 2018 from (107.77.109.89)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Instrumentals

Are extended jams considering instrumentals? I think I’ve said it here before that I was a big fan of live Cream bits. I still listen to those sometimes mostly to hear Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce. As a teenager I thought Clapton was the main man but he was mostly playing riffs - granted he could play very fast and clean - but the other 2 were more inventive and impressive. Even after a million plays of Crossroads I’m still impressed with the bass and drums on that one.

On soundtracks, I’ve got The Best Years of Our Lives on repeat. A. Desplat’s soundtracks are easy to identify and they’re all over the place now. I like Philomena and Moonrise Kingdom.

Dunc - I went to London Conversation to hear his Don’t Think Twice and Cocaine and stayed with the whole record. I know it’s more rudimentary than what he would become later, but I still like it and he does bring something unique to oft covered songs. His talent is obvious and he was just a precocious kid then, right?


Entered at Tue Jun 5 18:08:01 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Every time we get close to completing this idiocy Peter comes along with his faux intellect based story with an obvious message.Let it go Peter-I get your drift and conclude that Rockin Chair just might have greater integrity than you simply because he has the balls to say it straight up.A moral coward can be counted on to show his stripes hiding behind his sad metaphors.Let it go and so will I as I've said to many times.You don't fool me.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 17:49:16 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Infamy! Infamy! Everybody's got it in for me …

A quote from Kenneth Williams as Julius Caesar in “Carry On Cleo.”

In the 70s I had a colleague who was half (Asian) Indian and half Irish. His mum was Indian, so he had an Irish name. We worked closely together. He used to get into arguments with everyone, and he always moaned about racial prejudice against Indian people. Then another Indian guy joined my department. A couple of months later we were having coffee and the first guy was frothing at the mouth with anger yet again. He’d been passed over for promotion because he was Indian. The Brits all think it’s the days of the Raj and we’re the servants!'

The second guy sat back and said, ‘Yeah. Sure. We had some prejudice issues at school in the 50s, but my sister’s a doctor. My brother’s a barrister. I don’t see where this prejudice exists so heavily nowadays.’

‘I get it every day!’ said the first guy, ‘People are always unpleasant to me. They secretly hate Indians. It's the colour of my skin!.’

‘No,’ the second guy, ‘Face it. I'm much darker than you. You’re very aggressive. You hold grudges. You’re paranoid. To put it simply, you’re a bit of a c*nt. So people don’t like YOU. That’s the issue. Not that they hate Indians at all.’

The first guy thought for a while, ‘Right! I get it!’ he said, ‘So it’s because I’m Irish! There’s a lot of prejudice against the Irish because of the IRA … that’s why they all hate me …’


Entered at Tue Jun 5 16:30:31 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

All good,Rockin Chair.But,if you leave out statements about the Jews killing Jesus,the Jews aren't as oppressed as i say, jokes,etc.-heck,if you and others here just don't mention Jews at all-good,bad or indifferent-move on to other topics and let it rest and we all can move forward without this idiocy.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 16:23:12 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Prejudice and Positive Thinking

Well Jed, where ever you were and what you had to go through certainly left scars. Your assumption of hating Jews is funny in this way. All up and down our coast of British Columbia in the little towns there are no Jewish people. In the bigger towns like Courtenay ( about 80,000) there are a few but very unnoticed.

I would have a heck of a time to think up a reason to hate any one. I could hate people who abuse and use little children. My experience with hate is pretty limited. When I was young I went to a school in Cloverdale in the Fraser Valley for 5 years. When I was about 10 or so there was a bunch of us guys who used to roam the hills together, swim in the river and stuff.

One day we may have been down by the river and the talk got to "Well where are your folks from/". My one friend Rolf Dietrich was from Germany. The de Groom brothers were from the Netherlands. I said well my grand dad was from Scotland and my Grandma was from England. Keep in mind this isn't even 10 years after WW2. Well Rolf's dad had been shot up pretty bad I guess and Rolf had some cockeyed idea that England started the war so that was the end of our friendship. Likewise the de Groom boys wanted nothing more to do with Rolf.

I remember having to go and ask my mum to explain this to me. Almost every town along our coast there is a reservation. People are finally getting past calling them Indians. There are indigenous or Aboriginal and the tag that has pretty much been settled on is "First Nations". Many people like to hate them. (A lot are my relatives)

Just yesterday I was reading in the news here. An all star hockey team AAA, 13 and 14 year olds from 6 Nations and some other bands were playing a tournament in Quebec. I guess they were winning a few games and were subjected to a lot of racial taunting even from a referee. I guess it just won't go away.

Now back to the music. I don't know if any one remembers Johnny Cash song. "The one on the right was on the left". I found it on youtube. Give it a listen. It's funny!


Entered at Tue Jun 5 11:41:44 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Bonk

Right back at you fella!


Entered at Tue Jun 5 11:39:53 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Rockin chair-your hatred of Jews is right out there,huh? And at least now you don't need others to keep falling for you. Well this Jew won't back down to your weakness.You are pathetic.As I said-I was ready to stop but all the haters must stop as well.Rockin chair is that lowdown Jew hater I grew up with-morons who thought they'd bully Jews-not then not now.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 11:38:58 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Mowing the lawn

It's mowing the lawn that does it, Bob F. Mowing the lawn always puts anybody into a bad mood and leads to negative thoughts. Every so often, you see a guy in Scotland in a state of neurotic anxiety, a lawner guy looking out the window, scared that a toddler's football goes on their lawn.That's why, as you'll know, I lifted the lawns and put in rhodies, shrubs, bulbs and acers. Spend time stroking the horses and you'll get into a better mood. Are the Knicks crap as usual? Is that what it is?

I love your posts, Mate. You never even did five for Friday.

On a serious note I think Roseann's 'A Crow's Song' is a wonderful song. Gets to me. Something special on a brilliant EP.

Away to pick up grandkids. Am I the same person who once shared the mike with Reg Presley for Wild Thing at a Troggs concert...several pints on? You should have seen my leap from the stage at the end. Great night. Loved the Troggs. They loved performing. Why am I so boring? Still, my wife still looks into my eyes every evening after all those years and says... 'I tolerate you.'


Entered at Tue Jun 5 10:44:47 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Five for Friday JQ

JQ,I was intrigued that you had been listening to 'London Conversation' by John Martyn. I wouldn't have been if you had been listening to some album from the golden era like 'Solid Air' or 'Bless The Weather'.

I was discussing this album last month with a guy, who was a full time musician for many years. (Interestingly, Peter, he showed me a picture of himself in a band with Onnie McIntyre and Hamish Stewart - just boys.)

It's a folk album like the album that followed it, The Tumbler (produced by Al Stewart.) It's influenced by Hamish Imlach, The Incredible String Band, Davey Graham, Bert Jansch and a host of black blues guitarists. The folk musicians used to collect money to bring black musicians across to play a gig.

I think the best song on the album is 'Back to Stay', a brilliant song which points to the genius he was to become.

What did John Martyn think of these albums. He said 'Those are basically acoustic albums. I got bored with the folk/acoustic thing. You can't keep churning that out, it stifles innovation, kills the personal touch.'

I never knew about John Martyn then. I came in when he became better known with the brilliant 'Solid Air'.

So what took you to 'London Conversation' JQ in your part of the world?


Entered at Tue Jun 5 10:07:56 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Doug, not Dug

Sorry, typing too fast, Doug. A dug is a dog in Scotland.

A word of advice. Never lose your temper at a screen. If you headbut the screen, you may get a sore head.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 10:04:37 CEST 2018 from (86.175.79.64)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Instrumental

Thanks Dug. But I can't think of any.

Quiz question:Here's a description of one of my favourite instrumentals. Sheer brilliance.

Arif Mardin didn't want it released as a single as it was 'a funk instrumental played by Scotsmen with no lyrics other than a shout'. What is the song?

Hold fire, Peter. I know you know it.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 09:08:20 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Instrumentals

Instrumentals. I was in a secondhand store, one with a large drums n bass / electronica / dance clientele, and noticed some Enoch Light LPs at £10 to £12. They’re a genre and era that’s usually in the £1 box, or even 3 for £1 box. I asked. Enoch Light is much sought after by DJs and samplers, because they were very high quality pressings, often on the hifi Command label and often contain elaborate covers of well-known songs with massive instrumentation. I soon saw some in a charity shop at £1 (they’re the sort of thing that ends up in charity shops) and they sound incredible. There’s a whole world of Decca Phase 4 samplers, Johnny Keating and so on in a similar style, and they’re the only decent albums that end up at 50p nowadays. They’re usually in pristine condition too- they were often bought to show off hifi systems and looked after.

Even better are quadrophonic discs. They can be played in stereo and are always superb quality pressings. They're often orchestral samplers by "Various Artistes."


Entered at Tue Jun 5 06:03:13 CEST 2018 from (96.49.94.173)

Posted by:

Lisa

It is odd that instrumentals have kind of disappeared. The only ones I can think of are all connected to movie themes, especially the Spielberg/Lucas/Superheros genre. And most of them are pretty old, at that. Where did they go?


Entered at Tue Jun 5 05:36:15 CEST 2018 from (110.146.150.105)

Posted by:

Doug

Subject: instrumental

Thanks Rockin Chair, I'll do some youtubing on your suggestions. I assume no one can make a buck out of instrumentals anymore but I do wonder why.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 04:49:58 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Instrumental

Doug I have been racking my brain for something more resent. In 1987 Ry Cooder and The Moula Banda Rythmn Aces did an old song that I love. "Maria Elena". If you haven't seen it, look it up on Youtube. Flaco Jemanez buttons does a tremendous job as does the trombone player. His name escapes me at the moment.

Your question is a good one. I have thought about it many times in the last while and have never applied myself to research it more. I have talked about this before. Los Indos Tabaharez played this song I think first back in the 60's. I had it on vinyl. These fellows were two Indian, (native really) brothers from Peru. They were walking through the jungle and found a guitar some one had lost I guess. They didn't even know what it was.

As they made their way to "civilization?" they found what it was. They both learned to play and became two of top classical guitarists in the world. I remember a few years back when Nato Lima died, (he was the oldest and lead guitar, his brother played rythmn). He was 91 years old. Search them on youtube. It is the most beautiful guitar playing you will ever hear. It is special to me. My grand daughter's name is Elena. Her father is from Chile.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 04:44:55 CEST 2018 from (72.139.199.165)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ... and again

Peter V: "May Queen" was meant to refer to the early going in "Stairway To Heaven", which the intros to both versions of Eclection's "Please" most definitely sound like. Oddly enough, if you take the first six or eight notes of that same intro by themselves and you think it's "The First Cut Is The Deepest". The liner notes say they played the Isle of Wight, so I thought that might be where you (Peter V) chatted with Michael Rosen - and the Band came up as a topic of conversation.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 04:21:12 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Doug

Great question but I'm stumped.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 04:00:11 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

I apologize to those who don't like to swear but holy doodles, enough is enough! Got my Cabbagetown blood just boiling.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 03:39:12 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Canada

Subject: Bob F and Jed

Enough already! There is absolutely no reasoning with you guys. Blow it out your fucking ears and let it go. Greek Chorus? What an insulting prick you are. Or as Jeff would say 'go fuck yourself' Bye all!


Entered at Tue Jun 5 03:30:14 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Ultimatums

Jed you sure do think you are aomething. Piling this crap on Peter when it was your friend Fino who had to keep yapping after your supreme directives. You have been slinging crap, calling names as if every one should cowtow to your thinking and Fino and your other friend.

I know quite a few Jewish people. Some are very good friends. One friend of mine of over 40 years, Yagel Mendelsen came from Israel in the late 60's. I met him in 1971. We lived across the street from each other. Yagel made it very simple. Israel is no different than just about any other place. We have a lot of good people and some assholes. You really are doing well at confirming that just as your friend Fino.

Peter does not deserve any of the holier than thou crap you are piling on him. Give your head a shake. The Rabbi in Israel at this time has the government of Israel considering criminal charges for inciting rasicsm. So don't go shouting how hard done by your people are and persecuted. That is bullshit.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 01:54:22 CEST 2018 from (110.146.150.105)

Posted by:

Doug

Here is a question for you if anyone is interested - prompted by posts on Paul McC instrumentals. What was the last big instrumental hit? There seemed to be lots in the 60's and 70's with Booker T, Herb Alpert, Shadows, Paul Mauriat..... But I can't recall one for a long long time.


Entered at Tue Jun 5 00:43:41 CEST 2018 from (174.203.3.112)

Posted by:

Jed

Peter just can't let it go. I had said I'd drop it if the topic was dropped.But Peter can't let go of his apologist revisionist way of hearing some things while ignoring other even more disgusting and hateful posts.Someone who continues this way,refuses to see any position but his own,lacks basic understanding of Jewish history,and continues to raise the topic once it had quieted down is himself seeking to keep a hateful topic alive.It is born of his general arrogance and given his intelligence,its not surprising that he's encouraged by his Greek chorus of admirers.And while many want to return to music(me too)anti Jewish attitudes and comments,even when clothed in the revisionism of apologists,merit response. But,once again,as I said before,if this matter is dropped directly and indirectly,I will respect the peace and the wishes we all have to stop this nonsense.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 23:31:34 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Apparently the blank was "lawyers" in the post, NOT what was suggested. Then there was a subsequent remark about Trump's lawyer. Trump's lawyer happens to have a Jewish surname, but that was from what I hear NOT the point being made. The point was lawyers. In which case we have to castigate Robert Cray, who sang in "Nothin' But A Woman":

You could buy me a car, fill up the tank

Tell me a boat full of lawyers just sank

Lawyers are not an ethnic group. There have been lawyers here, who might be offended. But there are professions like lawyers and real estate agents who generally accept adverse public opinion and then laugh all the way to the bank.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 23:19:51 CEST 2018 from (24.114.56.115)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: I got murder in my heart for the judge

Peter V: If that was the joke, I suspect that almost everyone I know has heard it once every five years since they were in their early 20s - though with just the unmodified word 'lawyers' filling the blank. When I first heard it I would have taken it as a creative deviation from What's purple and lies on the ocean floor? Good enough for Moby Grape, so good enough for me. (I wish we had David P around to chime in here - as a big Moby Grape fan who worked for a big law firm.)


Entered at Mon Jun 4 22:30:43 CEST 2018 from (129.97.124.19)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jed: You have to send a note to Jan asking to give you the special set of instructions on posting links - and if he chooses to, he'll do so. And then you'll get the finger only when you screw up by not following the instructions. And it will continue to come as a shock when you get the finger because you've screwed up, as we all do. Too often.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 22:26:51 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Dunc, thanks for that. I would't call myself a musician. I aspired to be one in my teens but unfortunately a poor sense of rhythm and pitch were obstacles I could not overcome. I just tinker around a bit on the piano these days but I enjoy it. I know some people on this site like Peter keep up to date with new bands (which I admire) but I am sadly stuck in the past. I am also a big fan of the Hot Club. Some of the stuff Django played was just crazy. I also liked the albums Grappelli did with Barney Kessel back in the 70s. Back to the finger picking, Dale Miller is another good guitarist worth checking out. His version of Chatanooga Cho Cho always brings a smile to my face. All this talk of guitar playing makes me think I have to start listening to some by the Reverend Gary Davis which I haven't done for a while.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 21:57:17 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Banned

Well I guess I am banned because I got the same finger from Johnny on my PC when I tried to post a link to a song.Jan will just catch up to my other devices and I’ll be banned.So I’m not gonna sneak around Jan or anyone here so I’ll take Johnny,his finger,and move on.Wishing only the best to the good ones here.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 21:38:31 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: As a dog returns to his vomit …

While I had hoped we were leaving this… that would be truly appalling, Bob. If so it must have fleeted through at high speed, because no one quoted that to me. That's not a "joke" in any definition of the term. It has no wit, no humour, no word play. It's just a straight racist (fill in the blank) shout. Apparently you didn't see it either, as did no one who mentioned it to me. In the end, we rely on Jan who deleted it to say whether it was true (disgusting) or false.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 21:17:53 CEST 2018 from (174.203.3.112)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Dunc

Thanks so much for your kindness.When I tried to post something from my PC I was denied access and greeted by Johnny Cash giving me the finger.I love Johnny but felt there could have been a kinder way to ban me.When I went on my iPhone I was able to post. I love this GB-mostly reading it given how much I learn from so many here even those who may not care for me.So to be honest I'm not sure if I'm banned or not but I hope I can stay-if not so it goes.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 20:49:56 CEST 2018 from (24.44.152.49)

Posted by:

Bob F

I'm outside mowing the lawn and this nonsense comes in to my head and I'm thinking to myself after all this noise this just can't end on a lie. I'm sorry. Somebody is lying. Peter said his reliable sources tell him it was just a fib on the name Cohen. There is a way to post the joke that Jeff was upset about without offending anyone by using a blank. This is what offended Jeff so much or as close as I can remember his post the following morning:

What do you call a dead (blank) at the bottom of the ocean? A start.

Now I'll ask any of you to put your country, religion, nationality, race, gender.. where the blank is and tell me that's not offensive and didn't deserve an apology. That's not a joke you tell on line.

Of course Jeff might be a liar. Well, I've know Jeff quite a while now and like everyone from Brooklyn, he knows everything about everything, but I've not know him to lie. He's really honest to a fault and that can be a problem. Maybe he's in so much pain he's hallucinating? I know he's working on his project non stop so I think he's still functioning.

That is my final word on the subject. I just couldn't let it end on a lie.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 20:48:10 CEST 2018 from (86.153.52.38)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Jed

I'm not patronising, but I always look forward to your posts. I was worried we were going to lose you, Jed.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 20:24:27 CEST 2018 from (86.153.52.38)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: guitar playing

Hi Wallsend. I enjoy your posts and never realised you were a musician until our recent conversation. I didn't know Duck Baker until you told me about him, but have been enjoying him on YouTube. My favourite jazz guitarist is Django Reinhardt and I have had, since the early seventies, the Reinhardt, Grappelli and Quintet of Hot Club of France recordings. Love them. Common here in the UK.

But something a bit special I have is a boxed set of 5 cds 'Django Reinhardt plays Django Reinhardt'. Beautifully cleaned up - 131 recordings of Django playing his own music. I bought it in France about 15 years ago. A project that really works.

Peter has go me into playing NicJones, really good singing, guitar playing and choice of material. Taking me into new material.

And I really enjoy my most recent Tony McManus with duets between the guitar and fretless bass.

And I bought Davey Graham's 'Hat'. He plays and sings a real mix of songs on it and it's really good. I always say I'm going to stop buying new to me music. I've been playing Davey Graham's 'Live at Hull University' too.

What I learned in our discussion is how some big names still teach at that very high level. Richard Thompson and Tony McManus are hosting an acoustic gutar and songwriting weekend down Bob F's way in New York state next month.

And Bill M, Tony McManus has hosted a guitar teaching weekend in Elora for the last eleven years. Wanted to go there, but ran out of time, Bill. I would like to attend as an observer!

I never knew this teaching at the highest level went on.

Many thanks, Wallsend. Enjoy your posts.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 20:22:54 CEST 2018 from (174.203.3.112)

Posted by:

Jed

There is a beautiful video on you tube of a string section of a classical orchestra performing Whipping Post.It is stunning.If anyone can tell me how to post it I'd try to do it and I thought y'all might enjoy tyin me to the Whipping Post!LOL! If not I'll post it without being able to directly link it.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 20:04:52 CEST 2018 from (174.203.3.112)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Test


Entered at Mon Jun 4 18:21:57 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Paul McCartney loved that stuff too - the dynamics he uses on Back Seat of My Car point the way to Band On The Run, Jet and Live and Let Die.

Barry Reeves was an outstanding drummer in Blossom Toes, but moved to Hamburg and worked with Bert Kaempfert and James Last instead … all recorded very carefully. He married Madeleine Bell, who also gravitated to the security of working for James Last. Paul McCartney's "Thrillington" with big band + rock drummer made me think of him.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 17:55:21 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Days Gone By

That is great stuff Peter. I got Susan in here listening to it. That is a kind of music she loves. We got to reminiscing about when we first started dancing together. She was 17 and I was twenty. We were both good dancers and she love to dance like the Jitter Bug to Glenn Miller, "In the Mood". Rock it up, Bill Hailey.

If you look for the videos of that bunch Bill Wyman put together, "Willie and the Poor Boys". They have some great dancers like to "Chicken Shack Boogie".

Back in our day it was easy for me to toss Susan around. She weighed 104 pounds. You've got me listening to a lot of that stuff you brought up.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 16:40:59 CEST 2018 from (99.227.166.246)

Posted by:

John D

Thank goodness; back to MUSIC.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 16:27:09 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Back Seat of My Car

Here's a taster of Thrillington - the lot is on YouTube. This is "Back Seat of My Car.'


Entered at Mon Jun 4 16:20:08 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Paul McCartney

I've been enjoying "Thrillington" recently reissued, which was Paul doing instrumental versions of songs from "Ram" as the fictitious Percy "Thrills" Thrillington. It was a really obscure and sought after album for years. It sounds like the best James Last album you never heard in a way - with a great drummer and bass player, but in the early 1970s, James Last had Blossom Toes drummer, so that was also true.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 15:59:10 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sir Paul McCartney

I agree Paul did (some) of his best work, post Beatles. When he was honored at the Kennedy Center all who performed did wonderful covers of his music. To see Mavis Staples and James Taylor sing together was beautiful. However, Steven Tyler stole the show. The medley of songs he performed was excellent. Any one who hasn't seen it should watch the youtube video. The sound is excellent.

The list of things Peter Viney has done for other people is long. He is unselfish and generous with his time and knowledge. No one loves the music more. He has for years handled a lot of flack with diplomacy. Thank you Peter.

Two Points - First the guys from Monty Python explain in interviews how they looked at a lot of history and tried to lighten the world by trying to show humour and the far side from much of it. The futility of events over time that solved nothing. Sadly some see no humor and just don't get it.

Second - I will always feel that the "Playing for Change" concept of bringing the world together with music is the best work on the planet.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 15:53:21 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Eclection

I have the CD with the single As & Bs ad BBC Sessions and have been playing it today. Isn't it superb? Very Jefferson Airplane in many places … female voice plus harmonies. But JA never had Mike Rosen adding trumpet as in "Another Time Another Place".

Confusion is by Mike Rosen, I remembered that. Trouble is I don't know theMay Queen reference. Is it the new Robert Plant one?

I'm sure I told Bill, that I saw Eclection live at least once before Mike Rosen joined Mogul Thrash (with John Wetton, Jim Litherland, and at that time Ed Bicknell). While I recall I was extremely impressed, I can't claim to recall any detail of the live show.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 14:50:44 CEST 2018 from (209.171.88.196)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Eclection again

Peter V: Listening to the intro to the final song, "Please (Mach II)", do you hear the guitar playing something that later turned up in the famous May Queen song?

I always think of Jerry T when I post about Eclection, as it was mainly the three of us who discussed the group and album.

Bonk: Speaking of JT, I spent a few yours yesterday at the Blue Goose Tavern in Mimico, which is here I met him in person, both of us there to see the great Alabama-born, Victoria-based David Vest. This time I was there mainly to spent time to share music with Denny and Gerry N - plus two of their siblings. There was some talk of Fuds attending too, but that didn't pan out. Denny gave me a photo of the western Tech stage band, from which the Corporation / Zarathustra emerged. (The house rhythm section yesterday was bassist Gary Kendall, who I know you know, and drummer Mike Fitzpatrick, both of Downchild.)

On a Bandish note, the musical guests at yesterday's blues matinee, Al Lerman and Morgan Davis, did a nice loping blues cover of "Before I Get Too Old" from the Bobby Charles album.

Another Bandish note. Another old friend of mine (of forty years - I did the math) who sat with us told me that when he started with CN in the late '60s,Buddy Cage's father was his supervisor.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 13:47:20 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

When I was young I always thought that the world would get progressively better. Now I am old, I am disappointed to see that things have just got worse. Here in Australia the way Aboriginal people and refugees are treated is so shameful. When ever I think about this. the Woody Guthrie song Deportee always comes to mind. In that one song Guthrie really captured the way in which name-calling can allow us to dehumanise other people often with tragic results.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 12:21:31 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Once again no one is suggesting Peter hasn't done great things for this website.But he's also an apologist for a hater and a manipulative historical revisionist.Every time a Jewish person one knows is used as a shield for one's defense of a hater that person brings himself down to the level of that hater.I am most familiar with those like Peter who find any excuse to ignore hatred of Jews and yes,as a Jew,I recognize defenders of those who hate and attempt to oppress us.The difference is that the image of the weak,helpless,defenseless Jew is a faded image.Israel is strong and will not take attack from any hater or apologist and us Jews won't be bullied by idiots like rockin chair or manipulative apologists and revisionists like Peter who ignore hatred.Out of respect to others here I will no longer comment on this matter so long as there are no further comments on the matter and as long as rockin chair withholds ALL comments related to Jews.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 08:54:07 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks for kind comments!

A fellow author and friend started a Ph.D on Holocaust Studies in his 70s. A very erudite man who was half Jewish, half Irish, was American born but lived most of his life in Britain. He died before he finished it. He wrote in the same area as me and we often met on author tours or at conferences. The last time I saw him was a decade ago when we had a long flight delay from Warsaw and spent the afternoon in the airport restaurant with a couple of bottles of wine. Poland was an appropriate location for a long discussion on anti-Semitism. The roots relate to suspicion of any closed social grouping. In Shakespeare’s England, the Turks were treated with respect because they had a state behind them, the Ottoman Empire. The Jews, being stateless were not. This is quoted in the rationale for creating Israel. The slur about who killed Jesus was added by early Christians, who inexplicably never applied it to the Romans. It became a slogan for street anti-Semites. The Rom (as they call themselves) or the gypsies were in the same position as the Jews … closed group who avoided intermarriage and who were stateless. And their fate under the Nazis was the same. Check out the early history of the Mormons in the USA too. Similar could be applied to anti-Pakistani stuff in Britain, which exists because a proportion of them avoid integration. The Germans had a list of all Freemasons in Britain who were due to be arrested immediately following an invasion. You could go on and on … on one author tour of Japan, we had a young woman from the Korean office of my publisher travelling around with us as a training exercise for her. The Japanese attitude to her was a shocking first-hand experience of overt racism. That was 25 years ago. I hope it’s improved. We could have a long and serious debate on anti-Semitism or racism in general but this is probably not the place. Just to say it’s not something to be bandied around about a minor dispute between two people.

And it really is going past the point. I have corresponded with Jeff over the years and he has been helpful with advice over travel and fascinating on music. He also has had a great deal of physical pain, and that makes us all “prickly” at times, and so he could be prickly too. He took swipes at Norm for years. Sometimes that rebounds. But I’m sure we’d all welcome Jeff’s return.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 06:49:15 CEST 2018 from (96.49.94.173)

Posted by:

Lisa

I third them! Peter is a very special person who has devoted an enormous amount of time and energy to the GB. I can't imagine it without him, or without Dunc, who I don't think has ever written an unkind word about anybody. And he dances, too!


Entered at Mon Jun 4 05:01:18 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

I second Dunc's comments about Peter V. He's the glue that's held us together (that is, if we don't count the irreplaceable Jan H.). Thanks Peter, for all you do.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 03:30:05 CEST 2018 from (24.44.152.49)

Posted by:

Bob F

Peter, I don't know who your multiple sources are but that is not what Jeff said in The Guestbook the following morning. You think I would have been so upset if all this was about was the name Cohen? It's really insulting and very Trump like that you're going in this direction. Really wrong. Fake news.

Bonk, this was never a Canadian/American thing. Please don't use that card.

Dunc, Peter keeps the The Guestbook going for sure, but you're the heart and soul.



Entered at Mon Jun 4 02:28:59 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Canada

Subject: Dunc

Well said Dunc. This reminds me of something Jerry Tennembaum (JT) said a few years ago. "We all have appropriately 'Thick Skins' and we are reminded to be civil to one another. This is always a good policy. The music-front and centre. Always"


Entered at Mon Jun 4 01:29:08 CEST 2018 from (86.153.52.38)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter is trying

Peter is trying to keep the GB together. He's making a big effort and I think he should be applauded.

He deserves some sort of recognition for what he has done for the Band in the UK. He really does. If anybody has a link to Robbie Robertson, get Robbie to write him a thank you letter. Seriously.

But it's more than that. He'll go out of the way to help GB people if they need help on his areas of interest, which are of course music and theatre. He'll seek out deleted albums and make copies for you, if it'll help some project you are working on. He'll help with your grandkids' difficult projects on Hamlet.

He's trying to bring everybody together here. It's correct that if somebody is racist or bigoted they should be challenged, but you've got to find a way forward. And there is a lot of good people here.

Every so often I cringe at a post. Every so often there is a fucking awful post. Insensitive crap. Maybe neant to be mean, a dig...twisted.

But I get a lot from this GB. And it's from you guys. (Thanks for your recent posts Wallsend, I'll get back to you.) Somebody suggested we go and see new music a few months ago. Not here. There was a festival in Glasgow last summer - 60 000 on the last day average age 21. Do you think they wanted me there? Not a chance. Did I want to go? Not a chance.

I like the GB and I want it to continue. This is my source of music information.

This is why it is important to me. I went to one of the small neighbouring towns' local Gala Day today. That's three miles down the road for me. You know the scene... and I saw a familiar face sitting on a bench. He once was a country boy, his Dad an agricultural labourer, but he was a PHD, a brilliant brain, an industrial chemist, his hobbies were Postal History and Paul McCartney...he used to argue all the time that Paul's solo work was as good as the Beatles. I used to go for a couple of pints with him, from time to time. But the signs were there - the nasal hairs, the bad haircut, the uncut eyebrows, the slightly shabby clothes, the family had taken him to the Gala day but he was tired, THE ABSENCE OF THE WIFE, fuck sake I thought. He couldn't get my name. I was shocked. Sixty nine I think. The relevance of this is what do you want to spend the remaining years doing. I want to listen to music.

You see for me, it's enjoy yourself and have another drink, it's later than you think. (Metaphor!) Post music. Then it'll give me something to do. EDUCATE ANYBODY WHO IS UNEDUCATED AND BIGOTED.

Well done, Peter for making an effort to keep the GB together. Thanks.


Entered at Mon Jun 4 00:29:22 CEST 2018 from (100.33.245.182)

Posted by:

Jed

Peter,perhaps reading what rockin chair said rather than responding to your own conclusion about how things should be might be reasonable.The narcissistic response,"Some of your best friends are Jewish" is a tired approach that doesn't excuse the ease with which you turn away and deny the words that are there.Rockin Chairs words on Jesus and Jews and his last post that you have chosen to ignore are enough evidence of hate.If you choose not to see what's on the page and you continue to deny the facts and respond with hyberbolic self reference to your own innocence then your intent might be suspect.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 23:27:38 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The trouble was that some people thought they could DEMAND that X or Y be banned. I really don’t think anyone was “talking hate.” From what I’m told from multiple sources, Norm said that Leonard Cohen would not be proud of his name sake, Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen. I can’t see where anti-Semitism comes into that at all. You’re talking about people here who revere Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Robbie Robertson, Randy Newman, Paul Simon. How would that make them likely to be anti-Semites?

It’s about music. Everyone else seems to have gone past a personal spat. Just because A is Jewish and B is not ,does not make their dispute “racist.”

I posted the history because I wanted to clarify that anti-Semitism started with Christians, not Muslims. I had both Jewish and Muslim friends at my birthday party last year. They have no problems in being friends over 30 years.

I also communicate with Israeli English teachers who spend their lives working with Palestinian refugees. It is not simple. But you really can’t fly the “he doesn’t like me, so that means he’s anti-Semitic” flag any further. Go back to the fact it’s a personal dispute and stop introducing this whole panoply of extraneous stuff.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 22:37:22 CEST 2018 from (174.203.1.250)

Posted by:

Jed

I have no clue who Norm is.If he's Rockin chair read his words about Christ and the Jews. Enough said right there let alone the "jokes" and his so called evenhanded approach to hatred of Jews.If you choose not to see you won't see.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 20:54:11 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Canada

Subject: Jed

I must be missing something here. Or it's been deleted. I don't see anywhere on this site where Norm has been hateful toward anyone. Jeff and Norm do not like each other. Period. I happen to like them both. The only person or persons throwing around hate seem to be you and Bob. Towards Norm.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 19:44:58 CEST 2018 from (174.203.1.250)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jeff

Jeff should never have left. He should have demanded that anyone talking hate toward Jews or any race or religion should be banned from this site. And he should have asked anyone here with a moral conscience to support him. I'm not doing it for you,Jeff so get your ass back here to help me run off a true hater.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 19:35:42 CEST 2018 from (174.203.1.250)

Posted by:

Jed

Let it go? Yes,this only a silly website and who cares? Anyone with a moral compass cares.The last set of comments in his last post alone were deeply offensive and historically despicable. To just let it go is wrong and to suggest letting it go is moral cowardice.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 19:31:35 CEST 2018 from (107.77.75.50)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: To the Canadians here

Do you guys know Paul Rigby? He’s on Neko Case’s new one and apparently has had a working relationship with Garth -


Entered at Sun Jun 3 18:52:25 CEST 2018 from (75.157.168.91)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Canada

Subject: Bob F and Jed

I agree with Peter. Let it go. Canada, with Norm being a true Canadian, has never been on any list of top 20 racist countries in the world. The USA is unfortunately No. 1


Entered at Sun Jun 3 18:31:41 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, sweeping it under the rug is a good idea.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 17:16:57 CEST 2018 from (24.44.152.49)

Posted by:

Bob F

So we sweep in under the rug and forget about it? We just ignore the continuous comments from this person on Jewish people? That doesn't feel right to me. How about we tell him to stop? To much?


Entered at Sun Jun 3 16:06:47 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I for one would be delighted to see Jeff back and to hear how the album's going. There was an argument. I think the issue was more about two different personalities who never got on than spiritual or metaphysical, but then I never saw the alleged offence. There has to be a statute of limitations on how long we argue this one, surely.


Entered at Sun Jun 3 15:55:35 CEST 2018 from (24.44.152.49)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Dan Bern Lithuania

All sides and arguing personalities? Please stop. This is about someone getting run off The Guetbook by using his religion. If you didn't agree with something Jeff wrote, just tell him. Using his religion was wrong and everyone should have been in agreement.

Bob Dylan once when being pestered in an interview about religion said he believed in the old spirituals more then anything. Bruce said he learned more from a 3 minute song then he did in school. I think the linked Dan Bern song explains it all.

"I saw my dad tell jokes, and teach me how to laugh, thirty years after his parents, and brothers, sister were all shot, murdered in the streets of Lithuania."


Entered at Sun Jun 3 05:17:56 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I'm most of the way through the Eclection album, which I now appreciate WAY more than I did when I had it in the '70s. One thing that struck me - at the start and then more forcefully on "Conclusions" - was an extended guitar lick borrowed from at least the Move's brilliant cover of "Fields Of People", and possibly from Ars Nova's original (which I no longer remember). Ars Nova is mentioned in the notes as a group in the same vein (which I'd call baroque folk-rock). Do you know Gerry Conway's earlier career? He does a fantastic job with Eclection.


Entered at Sat Jun 2 20:21:49 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 5

Five:

Irish Jigs, Reels & Airs – Davey Graham, Duck Baker etc

Another Dimension – Bo Diddley

“Dominic Behan” – Dominic Behan

Thrillington – Paul McCartney

Ulula – Jesse Ed Davis


Entered at Sat Jun 2 18:33:23 CEST 2018 from (70.121.56.235)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: recent listens

Buffalo Springfield: Retrospective

Poco: Crazy Eyes and Contamos - I guess this was my Richie Furay week

Donovan: Greatest Hits

America: Greatest Hits

David Bowie: Heroes

Barenaked Ladies: Fake Nudes - we've got hot weather here in Texas (gonna get up to 100 F in a few hours); being nude would be nice! : )


Entered at Sat Jun 2 12:23:46 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

I see a new boot has been put up on Youtube of the following show: Westchester Premiere Theater | Tarrytown NY July 13, 1976. Also, when I googled that show a bunch of photos came up that I had not seen before.


Entered at Sat Jun 2 10:40:42 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Historically …

I agree with Bill on arguing personalities – but in the interests of historical accuracy, first Islam was only around after 600 A.D., and in contrast to the present, probably the best places to be Jewish circa the 12th Century and 13th Century would have been Moorish Granada in Spain, or Bagdad (a centre of learning). In the Middle Ages, Jews were not persecuted at all in most Muslim countries because they are “people of the book” (the old testament) and it was accepted that they believed in the same deity. So while Christians were forced to convert, Jews were accepted. The Middle Ages was the era when a wave of anti-Semitism spread through Christian Europe, and St Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians is said to be the source of anti-semitism, as well as St Paul being the source of misogyny in the Christian churches. Jews suffered far worse in Christian countries than in Muslim ones in the era as in the Massacre of York in 1190 in Britain. In Spain, they were forcibly converted, or expelled from Granada alongside the Moors in 1492. It is said that as a result many of the Spanish seamen who went to the Americas were of either Jewish or Moorish descent.

Anti-Semitism is an odd term, because it was originally religious rather than racist … after all, Jesus, the disciples and St. Paul were all Jewish. The Semitic peoples include the Arabs of the Middle-East, so Palestinians being called “anti-Semitic” is strange. In fact, they suffer from prejudice in other Middle Eastern countries, because Palestinians had a long cultural interest in education, so ones who emigrated to the Gulf States (and many did) tend to be the university professors, lawyers and doctors. In other words, there is the same “jealousy” issue as in late 19th century / early 20th century Europe. It’s also why in teacher training, I’ve met a lot.

The current tension with Muslims was fuelled by the Balfour Declaration of 1918 leading to the eventual creation of Israel. Jews were free to practise their religion without persecution until modern times in Iraq, and that only ceased when the Middle East got stirred up over Palestine. A hundred years ago, at the point of the Balfour Declaration, a third of Bagdad’s population was Jewish in a community that dated back 2500 years. In 1951, most of them were moved to Israel by the US.

Recently, I was reading that Truman pushed the British hard to increase immigration into Palestine after 1945 because anti-Semites in the USA did not want further post-war Jewish immigration into America.


Entered at Sat Jun 2 09:57:02 CEST 2018 from (1.42.214.171)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Dunc, Not sure if you are familiar with him or not but Duck Baker is another guitar player worth checking.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 23:57:23 CEST 2018 from (174.203.1.250)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: My apologies

I left my name off in error.Not trying to hide.You can't hide behind your words-we Jews have heard them before.No hiding behind the rockin chair.Apologiesvto others for leaving my name off that last post.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 22:25:34 CEST 2018 from (174.203.1.250)

Posted by:

Rockin chair

I thought you were an ignorant fool.I was wrong.You are a dangerous and rabid anti Jew.Throw me off the site.I could care less.Anyone who has civil conversation with this broken rockin chair is aiding and abetting the worst kind of hater.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 19:53:32 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

I think all points by all 'sides' have been made by now. We all repeat ourselves, but maybe if we could limit the repeats to musical stuff it'd help.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 19:38:40 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Recents

Josh Ritter - Gathering 2017, he's such a good writer.

George Jones - The Essential George Jones 1974, some older stuff pre Billy Sherrill's schlock style. Frank Sinatra called George the second best American singer.

John Prine - John Prine, his masterpiece.

John Martyn - London Conversation

Shakey Graves - Late July & Roll The Bones, an Austin 1 man band.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 19:24:36 CEST 2018 from (70.30.45.165)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Just sayin’ . . .

Thanks for your historical “take” on anti-Semitism, Norm, but I for one stand with Jeff on this. It seems to me, also, that Bob Fino isn’t the one “whining” here. You are. Perhaps you need to restrict yourself to musical preferences.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 16:08:52 CEST 2018 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Rebuttal

Been on the water a few days. Thanks for the song Bill, I hadn't heard that one before.

I see Fino is doing more whining. Just as he does saying one particular poster has treated him "horribly" for years, That is nonsense.

Anti-Semitism began a couple thousand years ago apparently first with Muslims. Back then everybody were infidels. Many Jewish people have always felt they were persecuted because they called to the Romans to kill Jesus Christ because they were afraid of him. They too called to release Barrabus. So in the "Life of Brian" it became the joke "Wewease Wodewick". There are too many people who carelessly use the term "anti-Semitic" it has become an excuse. If you don't like me you must be anti-Semitic.

As I stated before, as well as the Jewish people, the Nazi killed about a million and a half Gypsies, so what term do we use for that Genoside? With out a doubt there is anti-Semitism in too many plaes and we all know how wrong that is. However, just google the name "Yitzhak Yosef". He is one of the two head Rabbi in Israel. At one of his sermons recently he referred to black people as monkeys. He went on to say no one should live in Israel who is not Jewish except people who are there to serve Jewish people. (These are not my words). There are several sites here now where you can read these words he has said. Some of his ideology is crazy. That surely does not help the situation.

All this stems from a situation that existed for years. Bob Fino strongly defends some one who has berated, belittled, insulted and cursed people here for years. Never once did I ever hear him apologize for any of his disgusting behaviour. Rather he demanded apologies from many people, then demanded that moderators ban who ever he dictated or shut down the site, (or he would leave). This behaviour is confirmed by others. Of course any web master would think, gee I better do this or he'll leave. That narcissistic way of thinking is shown by another guy too. He is in the White House.

This isn't fun. This is not the kind of discussion any of us want to have here. I have posted here for a lot of years and enjoyed a lot of great discussion on our music as well as a lot of other interesting topics. We have watched people come and go here and sadly lost some very loved and wonderful people here.

We all have our likes and dislikes and are allowed that. I am not a great fan of Bob Fino's daughter's music. However I sure do wish her well in her endeavors. It is good to see any one be proud of their daughters success.

As well if the kid from Brooklyn does well with his music good for him.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 15:59:15 CEST 2018 from (64.229.180.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I hadn't heard of McManus until a couple days ago, but now I will watch for mention of him. Thanks for the prod.

Peter V: I couldn't stand "Roseanne" mach II, so certainly won't be missing mach II. Nevertheless, I like John Goodman and feel for the rest of the cast and crew. My suggestion is that they run a sad episode where Roseanne has disappeared (perhaps in an accident, or just leaving a note saying "Bye, I want a new life), or ...), and then an episode where Goodman decides to keep things afloat by taking in boarders. Could be anyone, I suppose, but my suggestion would be some combination of Jeff Bridges and Steve Buscemi.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 14:21:21 CEST 2018 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Roseanne: I heard one of the cast of Baby Driver a few months ago saying how lucky they were that the Kevin Spacey scandal broke just after the film’s release. As he said, just a few days earlier and a lot of work by a lot of totally innocent people would have been consigned to oblivion. Roseanne had to go, and on many shows they could recast, but unfortunately for everyone else working on it, not possible on that one. These stars are a bit like the pharaohs having servants buried alongside them … when they go they take a lot of people down with them.

On the other subject, British Jews have been complaining about first the BBC, then Sky News referring to "clashes between Jews and Palestinians" rather than "Israelis and Palestinians." You can do religion and religion, or nationality and nationality, but don't mix the two.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 10:33:38 CEST 2018 from (86.153.52.38)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Anti semitism, though not big in this country, is on the rise. Recently, the Israeli Celtic player has received anti semitic tweets. Anti Israeli foreign policy protests should never lead to anti semitism. Any anti semitic joke, comment or tweet etc should always be challenged.

On a cheerier note - five for Friday, in between visits to the Nursery!

Michael McDermott - 'Willow Springs'. Great album. Great songs, outstanding lyrics, great musicianship and great guitar playing. Thanks Bob F.

The Best of the Small Faces' - some really outstanding songs and arrangements. Still holding up well to this day. I love 'All Or Nothing'.

And the next three are new to me and my exploration of guitar playing continues.

'From the Devil To A Stranger' Nic Jones. First time I have heard anything of Nic Jones. Great guitar playing, great songs. Thanks, Peter.

'After Hours at Hull University' Davey Graham. Brilliant guitar playing. Very lucky to see him play twice back in the day, no singing at those gigs, and I spoke to him on his fairwell tour. Thanks, Peter.

'Singing Sands' - Tony McManus and Alain Genty, French fretless bass player.Just recently bought it. Great guitar playing and bass playing. Tony McManus lives out your way, Bill M and runs a guitar teaching gathering in Ontario. Make sure you check him out in concert.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 00:56:55 CEST 2018 from (96.49.94.173)

Posted by:

Lisa

I never saw the joke as I think it was taken down pretty quickly, but I'm completely amazed that Roseanne Barr would think that tweeting anything that offensive wouldn't have dire consequences, especially considering what's been going on in her own profession for the last half year or so. I've never been a fan of hers or her TV shows (never watched it actually, no appeal at all), but what on earth was she thinking?

I admire ABC for cancelling the show. It certainly shows a commitment to change that a station would cancel a hit show at a huge cost to themselves. It's just such a shame that all the people involved in the show are now out of a job as a result of one person's racism.


Entered at Fri Jun 1 00:19:23 CEST 2018 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Offense

Hi Bob - I found both to be offensive too; I thought I had indicated that. Although I thought Barr’s was worse. The age thing is not an excuse, just the way humor went back when Boomer’s sense that way was under development. Most, maybe only some, that I know (my peer group) have evolved past that style. Antisemitism is on the rise in the (so called) first world; maybe it had only been dormant previously. That’s terrible stuff. I was recently accused of antisemitism for taking a swing at Israel. I really believe one can be tough in Israel and not posess a drop of antisemitism; that’s how it is with me at least.


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