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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, August 2002

Below are the entries in The Band guestbook from August 2002.


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Posted by:

JIM CREAMER

Location: BOSTON

Subject: RICK DANKO

RICK DANKO MADE GREAT MUSIC WHENEVER I WATCH THE LAST WALTZ I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK WHAT A LOSS I LOVE RICK DANKO HIS MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE IN MY HEART.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Thanks you and such

Yes Ritchie that does help. I'm looking forward to seeing McGuinn, but I was unsure if I would if he was playing just Wolf's Den material. I'm glad so many have also heard Hilman and Pederson's efforts (Together and with the Rice Brothers) and have enjoyed them as much as I have-it's somewhat comical that all of a sudden Border's and stores of their ilk have "bluegrass" sections because that is the "hot" music of the moment-completely ignoring the fact quality music will find an audience, it isnt as if next year no one will be buying CDs by anyone associated with O Brother Where Art Thou because "It's soooo last year." I always felt the Hillman/McGuinn Byrds, and the McGuinn led Byrds got the short end of the stick praise wise, and Gram Parsons as great as he was got too much for his Byrds work to their detriment. For my Money if he had lived Clarence White would have made quite a name for himself in the music Biz and Gene Parsons is clearly a superior musician than Mike Clarke. I've always suspected they are looked down on because of the comments David Crosby has made over the years about the Byrds going on after he and both the Clark(e)s had left the group. I would loved to have seen Rick and Richard with Gene's Byrds tribute Band. I always though Gene Clark showed an awful lot of respect for his groups history by not touring as the Byrds when the "group" had 2 original members, a 3rd member who had been an official member, and 2 other guys in SNeaky Pete and Rick Roberts who played on Byrds Albums. Somebody mentioned favorite voices early. For me Rick, Gene Clark and Richie Furay would form my Mt. Rushmore. That 4th would be tough, matters on the mood I guess. I dont mean to be obtuse here, but earlier in this Byrds discussion someone mentioned their favorite all time voices were Rick, Richard, Levon, Gene Clark, Richie Furay and Larry Thurston-Im afraid I cant place the name-can someone give me a hand here, because given my affection for the other 5 names on this list Im thinking he'd be worth a listen for me.


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Posted by:

Louis Brewer lbmax8@hotmail.com

Location: Savannah Ga

Subject: The Band on AMC

Hi folks I enjoyed the show on AMC here in Savannah last night ,it was great.Man you guys are great, to get to play with so many people blue country rock ,and yalls sound.I am a big Allman brothers fan .I lived in Macon Ga for 41 years.I use to see the Brothers everywhere.Well anyway what menories you guys brought back.


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Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: C A N A D A
Web: My link

Subject: Did the Hawk Graduate?

No...Ronnie Hawkins did not graduate from University of Arkansas as he might of in his last year 1957...instead music was on his mind and he followed Conway Twitty to the "Promised Land" CANADA.

Don't be surprised to hear of a Farewell Tour to match up with the release of his new CD.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: If ya wanna dance with me...

I am really enjoying this AMC rock and roll thing. Thanks for mentioning it, Matt K. We are flooding here in the Lowcountry, so this is a perfect movie weekend. I just finished viewing Hail Hail Rock-n-Roll. I had never seen this film before. When Eric Clapton came on and began performing, one of my 2-year old sons kept saying, "Go Levon", "Look at Levon" and "Levon, you pretty." I guess Clapton's beard reminded him of Levon. Too funny...and cute.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Some days I feel we’re living in a bad 1976 science-fiction movie set in the year 2002 and that the writers have gone overboard in their comic fantasies about the future. I just popped into the local Borders which had a motorcycle in the window and adverts saying that a Mr Ralph “Sonny” Barger would be signing his books on the Hell’s Angels next week. Inside the store piles of Mr Barger’s opuses (opi?) sat next to a new volume on “Tantric Sex” which is not a book one associates with the Hell’s Angels (as portrayed by Hunter S. Thompson at least). Then we have the British Prime Minister with a Fender in his hand, and the idea that members of The Band would appear not to be on speaking terms. Hmm. Back to 1976 when news was that The Band were embarking on a Fall tour …


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Posted by:

Don

Location: Chicago

Subject: The Last Waltz

I just saw the movie for the first time on AMC last night. It has to be one of the greatest filmed concerts of all time. I was never a big fan ( I am buying my 1st "Band" CD though) but the movie was great!


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Posted by:

Fred

For those of you interested, there is an interview with Steve Earle (as there was talk in here about him a while back) at salon.com


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Posted by:

Fred

Will Hillary's role be like that of Ozzie's missus?!?!?!?

The Best of Celine Dion..hehehehe..that was funny!!


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Posted by:

Fred

Peter V: Why not have the group with ALL 3 bass players you mentioned!!


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria
Web: My link

Subject: site under construction

Test your musical culture: Give the title of the 2nd album of Celine Dion. The Answer: Best of Celine Dion.

OK stop kidding.

There is a new website under construction at URL:

http://www.robbierobertson.com

You can connect on using the link above.

I'll be grateful to any of the fantastic users of this guestbook for giving further informations about the new website. Does it concern THE Robbie Robertson?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Political players

After yesterday's news that Tony Blair strapped on a Stratocaster and played for two hours at a party in France (singing Blueberry Hill and That'll Be The Day), I think Mr Clinton has ulterior motives in inviting Robbie and Levon to dinner. They're going to form a supergroup - Robbie on lead, Levon on drums / mandolin, Tony Blair on rhythm / vocals and Bill Clinton on saxophone. The question of a bass player still hangs in the air of course, but hopefully Jan, Ilkka or Bassmanlee can round out the group. I guess there'll be a major task in dealing with the groupies with Bill on board. But hey, maybe that's the purpose of the exercise :-)


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Posted by:

Ragtime

Norbert! Word gauw beter! En kom gauw terug!

(Can anybody tell me what's actually wrong with our good friend Norbert?)


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: West-Dutch

Happy B'day to "Van the Man"!!!


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Posted by:

Jeff

Location: Brooklyn, where else

There has been alot of discussion about Chris Hillman as of late, and deservedly so. Chris is now, has always been, and always will be a major musical talent both as a performer and as a songwriter. The Band connections are too numerous to mention them all. The most personal and significant for me are thru Gene Clark. Gene and Rick Danko once shared an apartment in New York City together, and apparently their friendship lasted through their lifetimes. In 1985 i had the good fortune to witness a 2 day run of an incredible show at the old Lone Star. Listen to this lineup: Rick Roberts, Jon York, Sneaky Pete, Michael Clarke, Gene Clark, Blondie Chaplin,Rick and Richard. That was an incredible show, just one of many low key extravaganzas that the Rick and Richard Show found a home in and left their indelible musical, comedic, and overwhelmingly individual marks on. I remember an amazing "Shape I'm In", and of course Rick's bass sound, Richard's piano, and both their harmony voices just embellishing the songs all night, both nights.Someone remind me, did I start out talking about Chris Hillman?

Yeah, another multinstrumentalist who, like our friends in the Band, also is a great singer and has contributed in a significant manner to the styles of American music that we so love. Chris has also been a member of many great songwriting teams, that not only wote great tunes, but some also formed new hybrids of sound. While he wrote a few in the Byrds, he came in to his own as Gram Parsons main collaborator in The Flying Burrito Brothers. When Parsons split the band, and was replaced by Rick Roberts, Chris and Rick formed a formidable songwriting team of their own.Some of their songs may be found on the Burrito Bros. album that "White Line Fever" was on, i believe that was a 72 release, others are on a double album that A&M put out of a compilation from 68 to 72.

After the Burritos, Hillman played a significant role as the cornerstone in Manassass with Stephen Stills. Fuzzy Samuels played bass, so just like he did in the early Burrito days, Hillman moved over to the 2nd guitar and mandolin slot. He is one helluva mandolin player, and has been since his youth. Then came Souther,Hillman, and Furay (my favorite voices are, have always been, and always will be Richard,Levon, Rick,Richard, Gram,Parsons, Richie Furay, and Larry Thurston), and once again Chris played the role of the talented, relatively quiet but equally solid musical cornerstone in a crazy situation. Then came a string of solo albums that saw the beginning of his songwriting collaboration with Crawdaddy magazine editor/writer Peter Knobler. Remember "Step On Out'? Can any one remember if that was the first song they published together, or did one make the last SHF album?

Desert Rose, I think was the first solo album of Chris' that Herb Pedersen played a large role in, playing rhythm and singing harmony on most of the tracks. And that led to the Desert Rose Band. After the second Desert Rose Band Album I kind of lost touch with Chris' career. I do remember just loving the live shows, and the songwriting on both the first two albums, but being a little let down by the third. Any way, thanks to all the guest bookers who have helped remind me of all the great live and recorded music that Hillman has made that has helped get me thru life. I have seen countless shows that he has been in, and the man is both top notch as a musician and an entertainer. He is a class act, and so is Herb Pedersen. I have never seen a show of theirs that failed to deliver.


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Posted by:

Renee' Edwards Spears

Location: South Carolina, USA

Subject: The Last Waltz on AMC

What a show!! What great memories...Long live The Band.


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Posted by:

Leonard R. Webber

Location: USA- MS

Subject: "The Last Waltz" (1978)

I just watched "The Last Waltz" on AMC. Man, that's the way God intended for rock 'n roll to be! What a great BAND!


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Posted by:

Bob Emu

Location: the Midwest

Subject: More ABB

I thought this was a Band guestbook, but, hey, if you need to know ABB facts, I'm here to help, y'all.

To Richie from the UK, the Allmans have put out just four new albums since "Shades of Two Worlds", The first was 1992's "An Evening With The ABB", a live album. Then came 1994's "Where It All Begins", a studio album. This was followed by 1995's "2nd Set", another live album. Five years later was the contract fulfilling "Peakin' At The Beacon", yet another live album, and their last album with Betts.

Earlier this year, they formed their own, independent label, in order to release vintage live performances and future studio records. To date, just one vintage performance has been released. No new studio albums, supposedly one's in the works. BTW, since Dickey Betts left in June 2000, he's put out 2 new albums, IMO both of them are great. Both are available from dickeybetts.com.

To Bayou Sam, I think you're thinking of the RETT benefit concert. CDs are available through the RETT website (rett.com). The concert's from 1992, after the boxed set was released. That's the only released all-acoustic performance from the early-90s era Allmans that I know of.

Maybe somebody can help me with a question about the Band. Call me crazy, but I can't hear Richard on "Theme From The Last Waltz". I know he plays dobro, but I don't think I hear it... is it audible?

PS: Did Robertson edit that 4-CD "deluxe" boxed set of TLW way down or what? And where was "Georgia On My Mind"? And the full length version of "The Genetic Fever / Chest Fever"? And the full length of the jams? Can anybody let me know?


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Posted by:

gilberta iman

Subject: fuv

Don, I can't beleive there's another FUV devotee in the "audience". Martin Sexton, a great friend of the station, will be at The Bearsville Theater in October. What a thrill if Rita Houston could be on hand to introduce him ! Happy Birthday Van-Baby. Love you most of all. I've had "Healing Game" playing for two days. That time of year, I suppose. Norbert...feel good


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska

Alright Mr. President Clinton, here's your chance... I voted for your magic... use it... to heal... Anyway, tonight it's Dr. A's Secret Remedies for me... and some ultramarine blue...


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Posted by:

Webmaestro

Location: Miami,Florida,USA
Web: My link

Subject: Hi CyberBuddy!

Very nice website. Please visit URGENT my website!!!Webmaestro :)

http://www.metropolis5000.com


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Posted by:

Fred

NORBERT: GET WELL! BE BACK SOON


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Norbert - get well soon

It's funny, all the recent Allman Brothers talk in here. I've been burning an Allman's CD box set for a friend - and I've enjoyed listening to some of those real early recordings when they were The Allman Joys (good move, dumping that name), and other early stuff. They did alot of blus covers that bands like the Yardbirds and Cream were doing....There was an unplugged type of show that I stumbled upon one night a while ago where Greg, Dicky, and maybe Warren Haynes, were sitting on tall stools playing acoustic guitars. I wish I had taped it, but there was a really nice slower tune that Dicky sang - I can't remember any of the words, but it kind of stuck in my head. I always thought that I would track it down again, but I haven't. I figured that the odds were pretty good that it would appear on this 4-cd set that I was burning - but no. So maybe it's a solo Bett's tune?....If any of you folks who are well versed in the ABB have any clue what the hell song it is I'm trying to nail down, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

NO BASEBALL STRIKE - YAY! - GO YANKEES.


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Posted by:

Me

Web: My link

Subject: Ronnie Hawkins

Check out the London Ontario paper. Go to the link Click on "The Hawk...".

Wouldn't it be something if Ronnie's fading would bring Levon and Robbie to at least talk. They seem to be both invited to Hawk's dinner party.


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: Van Da Man

Today on FUV is Van day, since tomorrow is Da Man's birthday. Thinking back about 4 years ago, I had the pleasure of seeing Van, when he toured with Dylan at the Theater at Madison Sq. Garden. Not only was that weekend special, we stayed at our favorite hotel, The Marriott at the World Trade Center, listened to WNEW, live, before it changed to the trash it is now, and when I think how much the world has changed , I can look back at that weekend, and realize how fortuate I was. Happy Birthday Van, when are you coming back to the US?


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: roger mcguinn

dear calvin. i saw roger mcguinn 2 months ago at a gig in wales. the majority of the set was byrds material. the rest was folk den material. the gig was excellent. i hope this helps. richie.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: A poll

The Record Collector poll of “most collectable 500 artists 2002” sees The Band slip from last years #244 to this year’s #349. The Beatles, for the 20th year running, are #1. The Top 10 has 9 of the same artists as last year (The Kinks have just edged The Beach Boys out). However, the poll is slewed by offering a prize for predicting the top ten in order, which means there must be a tendency to vote for the bleeding obvious. So my #1 for The Band either counted for nought, or maybe it’s just that one #1 vote gets you to #349. Hang on, but I forgot to post my vote so that can’t be right. Either they’re not very collectable (which means my promise to my kids that my Band collection would eventually be worth at least a million was untrue) or those who collect now have everything.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Herb Pedersen

Herb Pedersen has also done some touring in the banjo chair with "Old & In The Grey", which consists of David Grisman, Peter Rowan, Vassar Clemens, Herb, & a bassist. I was lent a rather noisy audience tape from a gig earlier this year. Pretty good stuff. There's supposed to be a disk out on Grisman's Acoustic Disk soon.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Roger McGuinn

While we are mentioning an ex-Byrd, does anyone know what kind of concerts Mcguin is giving? I'm thinking of seeing him in November, but I'm unsure if I'd go if he is only doing his folk songs from the last decade. Is he doing any Byrds or 70s stuff?


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Norbert

Get Well! Be back soon! Are you recuperating in your French château? I had to install a new hard drive and lost your email addresses. Take care.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Does anyone know what Ronnie Hawkins does for a living? Surely he can't survive on royalties, and I didn't think that he performs too often. Does he have a straight job?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Hillman / Pedersen

NORBERT, GET WELL! BE BACK SOON!

I agree Calvin -- Chris Hillman & Herb Pedersen are fantastic together. "Bakersfield Bound" & the recent follow up "Way Out West" are two great albums. They've also recorded three albums with Tony & Larry Rice that are also worth checking out -- the self-titled "Rice, Hillman, Pedersen & Rice", "Out of the Woodwork" and "Running Wild".


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: THis and That

My Mistake Sam, Sugar, Sugar by the Archies was 1969, not 1968. Byt my point remains the same, it was the No 1 single of the year during the late 60s, bubblegum has always outsold quality music-it isnt a new thing. But thanks for the correction, Happy Birthday to Donna, and while we are at it to me as well. But a few years past my 29th. If anyone hasnt checked them out the Neo-Bluegrass Albums Chris Hillman of Byrds fame has been doing with Herb Pederson from the Dilliards, in various incarnations, are excellent, give them a listen if you can. And is anyone going to be at the Crowmatix show in Cleveland on the 5th of September?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: AMC Rock Marathon

Thanks MattK for the heads-up on TLW. AMC will be airing a marathon of rock music movies this weekend -- "3 Decades of Rock Rolled into 3 Days of Movies" Aug. 30 thru Sept. 1. TLW is scheduled to be shown Saturday afternoon and early Sunday morning as well as tonight. Check www.amctv.com for complete marathon schedule.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Our gb friend Norbert

A serious post.

To all gb regulars: it wouldn't hurt... and it wouldn't cost too much... to write in your next post the following line:

NORBERT, GET WELL! BE BACK SOON!


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: C'Ville

Bones, Charlie,

Have you guys checked out the Hogwaller Ramblers from down C'Ville way? Killer neo-grass band that also covers Dylan and the Stones. I know they put out a self-produced CD a couple years back (on Dave Matthew's dime, btw - he's very supportive of local musicians down there...or used to be). Great record, with a hilarious song about falling in love with a woman with ADD.


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Douglas R. Hofstadter Rules!!!

EOM


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: TLW on AMC

The Boston Globe claims American Movie Classics is airing the restored version of TLW, tonight, Friday 10 PM 8/31/02 as part of their Film Preservation Festival. Theme this year is rock-and-roll films. Ziggy and the Spiders along with Gimme Shelter will be on this weekend. Check local listings.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Where will the breeze take the Butterfly?

Happy Birthday to you, Donna!! I wish you a whole lot of gladness.


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Posted by:

BIFFALO BULL

Subject: QUERY JOHN CASS

DAVID SPADE HOSTED A MUSICAL TV SPECIAL ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO. THE ENCORE WAS A PERFORMANCE OF THE WEIGHT. IT FEATURED STEVE WINWOOD ON THE ORGAN, SHERYL CROW ON ACCORDIAN, THE WALLFLOWERS AND JAMES TAYLOR. YOUR FAVOURITE DRUMMER WAS INTRODUCED AS THE GREAT LEVON HELM. LEVON SANG AND PLAYED THE MANDOLIN. TWAS A PRETTY GOOD RENDITION.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Empty Now: Or is it "Don't Ya Tell Henry."


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Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: calcutta

Godel ? Escher ? Bach ?

how ? when ? why ?

:(


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Subject: Gödlel-Esher-Bach revisited

Entertainment - Test your musical culture:

In which Dylan's song, are asked some fundamental questions, whose formulation is a hopeless report about the human race fate, and whose nobody ever can respond accurately and in a convincing manner ?

The answer is blowin' in the wind.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Dickey Betts & Levon

sorry I got the name mixed up..

Thanks Dave for the info..


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Dickey Betts & Levon

Thanks Dan for the info..

Last time I saw the Dickey Betts Band they had a young guy looked about in his mid twenties who played keyboards and sang a killer blues tune.. I wonder if he is still with them..

I had a buddy of mine burn me some music the other day and he added The Weight on it, it was a live version with Levon, Jacob Dylan, and S Crow... anyone know when that was recorded??? it was great to hear Levon singing again... that man is the greatest... just the sound of his voice brings a smile to my face.. made my day


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Happy Birthday Donna!

Happy Birthday to the one who's hit 29 before me! You'll have to tell me what it's like :-)
Safe trip today. See you later!


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: the allmans

nice to read about the allmans. their early 90's comeback album shades of 2 worlds is excellent. what have they done since. have they still got a record deal. shame about dickey betts not being there. the book midnight riders is a good read for anyone wanting to know more about the allmans. it only goes as far as the studo album after shades of 2 worlds. any up to date info would be great. id rather hear it from a fan than a website.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: R. Hawkins

Thanks for the Ronnie Hawkins link. At least the Toronto papers have the facts straight. Unlike today’s New York “Daily News,” which introduced a short item about his cancer thusly: “Ronnie Hawkins, who backed up Bob Dylan as part of the Band, has been diagnosed with cancer.” Very interesting about that private dinner with President Clinton AND Levon Helm given the latter’s recent Republican fund-raising activities (albeit at the Ulster County level) and some of his (admittedly second-hand) comments about our 42nd president that have appeared in the guestbook. It takes a big man to admit he’s wrong. One question about that “Sun” story, though: Ronnie Hawkins isn’t really a graduate of the University of Arkansas, is he?


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Birthday Greetings

Happy 29th Birthday on Friday to Donna From Philly! Happy Birthday on September 3rd to Ruby! These "Trouble Twins" bring a lot of laughs to each Road Warrior trip. Plus they know their music. Many happy returns from Rick and Pat.


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Posted by:

Stand On Guard for Ronnie

Web: My link

Subject: website

http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/aug29_ronnie-sun.html Canoe article on Ronnie's surgery and recovery.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Ab-so-fuckin'-lute-ly Hawk, Nail it right between the eyes! Nobody or Nothin' pushes Rompin' Ronnie around...Everybody Knows That!


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Posted by:

Stand On Guard for Ronnie

Location: Canada

Subject: Keep up the Fight!

A big Shout Out to Ronnie Hawkins. You can beat this thing! Positive Thinking will get you through, and you always have been a very positive person. Kick Cancer's ASS RON!!


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Back Home Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Bones' Levon Story & Live Archives (Like Zappa)

Hey Bones: thanks for that great story about Levon and the guys in Charlottesville in the '90s. I know that Tracks was the club that helped the Dave Matthews Band get their start, and apparently there are excellent tapes of some of their early shows from that venue in wide circulation. I wonder if soundboard recordings of those gigs by The Band are around. Anyone?

Speaking of live recording archives, I just received the first of a new series of live recordings put out directly by Frank Zappa's widow Gail. Like Frank, Gail apparently is a marketing genius. Her online and mail order company, Barfko-Swill (see link above) started taking advance orders for the Zappa live in Australia, 1976 disc way back in March, with the promise that all those that pre-ordered the disc in advance of the print date would have their name included on a list packaged with the two-disc set. What a great and original idea. Now if those of us who "bought stock" in the project could only get some royalties based on future sales. The label name Gail created for the series is also clever--VAULTernative RECORDS. I wish her well with the concept and hope that there are many more high quality releases. Her late husband's cinder block vaults are legendary. I wish there were a treasure trove of soundboard tapes of The Band out there waiting for some sort of similar release.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Dickey Betts

John: The current Great Southern band is a different lineup with one exception, guitarist "Dangerous" Dan Toler. Dan played in the original Great Southern group in addition to stints with the Allman Brothers Band and Gregg Allman.

I believe the decision to dismiss Dickey from ABB was made by Gregg, Butch & Jaimoe. Everyone in the group seems to be travelin' in separate buses and tryin' behave nowadays. As in many bands, there seems to have been a long history of personality clashes if you know what I mean.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Gregg Allman

I can't understand how Gregg Allman could kick Dickey Betts out of the ABB for drinking and drugging to much... did Gregg somehow forget he is GREGG ALLMAN.. hardly the poster boy for healthy lifestyles... I still think Gregg is the man... but Dicky must of been like "Your Kidding Me!!"

I have seen the Dicky Betts band a few times and I think they are a cool band.. I think Dicky went from calling them The Dicky Betts Band to now he is Dicky Betts & Great Southern... anyone know if it is the same members as Great Southern that he released those albums with in the 1970's???

all us Red Sox fans pray for a strike... 9 games behind those Yanks... can't handle this BS anymore... who needs baseball...football is coming up soon enough!!


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Posted by:

Bones

Charlie Young: The reformed Band played twice during the early nineties in Charlottesville at a place called Tracks. The University of Virginia is a great music town. At one of these shows, Levon had a little too much to drink, and they had to help him to his drum kit. He still played and sang great, although he did sing the same verse twice during "The Weight" and, finally, Rick (and the crowd) finished the song for him. No one in the crowd seemed to mind, for they were having too good of a time, and certainly Levon didn't mind, for he was having too good of a time too. Great night!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Allman Brothers Band

Hank & Bob have mentioned the Allman Brothers' song from "Win, Lose or Draw". I just thought I'd point out a few things from the perspective of someone who followed the group from their beginning.

After the deaths of Duane Allman on 10/29/71 and Berry Oakley on 11/11/72 the group somehow rallied to release a fine album, "Brothers and Sisters", and turn in a strong performance, by most accounts, at Watkins Glen the following year. New members, Chuck Leavell and Lamar Williams, brought some much-needed sparks back into the band. But things had begun to unravel as substance abuse problems, jealousies and solo projects diverted various members. Gregg ended up in Hollywood with Cher and for all practical purposes, Dickie became the group's leader. The distance between Macon, Georgia and Hollywood could be measured in more than just miles.

Through a long and somewhat painful process, they managed to record the album "Win, Lose or Draw" in 1975. The album opened strong with a cover of Muddy Waters' "Can't Lose What You Never Had", but apart from the title cut and a couple of other songs, it was apparent that the group had indeed lost what they had. The following year, Gregg's testimony for the prosecution in the drug distribution trial involving road manager Scooter Herring further alienated him from the rest of the band. The group broke apart, only to patch things up a year or so later. Over the years since, there's been a series of personnel changes, including the dismissal of Dickie Betts. The road may go on forever but things ain't been the same.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: rambling

On the 7% drop; I doubt that downloading off the net has contributed that much to the loss; How about a bad economy! I would think the loss of jobs, the lack of jobs, the fear of losing a job, contributed more to the drop than downloading. Plus, as someone mentioned earlier, movies, games and other diversions are probably to blame also.

I feel the price of cd's is well within reason and plenty of good sales can certainly be found - plus I've come across great selections in the "used" bins from time to time. If I recall correctly weren't albums around 10 to 12 bucks a pop by the time they went the way of dinosaurs. COuld you imagine what that price would be today? Probably the same if not more than a cd, which by the way can't come close in quality of sound compared to a cd (unless you like snap, crackle and pop for old times sake)

On the subject of 50's and 60's executives being musicians and treating artisits more fair - -WHAT! The artists of the fifties and early sixties got taken to the cleaners more than any other era (really an oversimplificaation on my part)

And cd's today are too long! The one advntage of the album was it was tough to make one longer than 45 minutes. Peter is right - Hard Candy would be a much better album if they knocked 4 songs off (the hidden track is better than nearly half the cd) Wilco's, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (a group I like but have highly critical of) is a throw back to album format. It has eleven songs and doesn't run overly long, plus here is a band that took chances with there music. On the other hand Ryan Adams, Gold, a prime example of a cd that is way too long.....,Just like this post.

PS Do you get the sense that we have been visited by the most articulate 8th grader


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Subject: The tribute of the artist to his fans

Test your musical culture : In the widest sens, what object is flat, brittle and shiny, intended to songs, and referred to by the acronym CD. The Answer : Celine Dion.

OK stop kidding.

When you’re listening to Jackson Browne in the medley The load out/ Stay, you feel the deep sensation that rarely an artist gave a better tribute and a better mark of respect to his fans. This is an experience every serious artist in the world dreams on, once in his life. The difficulty lies in finding the convenient manner. In my view, ‘Everybody needs somebody’ of the Blues Brothers in John Landis movie, has been an expensive way to simulate such an experience. About Jackson Browne, you can also observe the intelligence of the words for the circumstance, the emotion and the quality in the interpretation of all the attendee. A big Hurrah for Rosemary Buttler. Anyway.

In 1972, Joan Baez gave a concert in Algiers with live retransmission on the national TV channel. The show, of course has been triumphal. I don’t remember the musicians who accompanied her. 30 years later, people in Algeria are always remembering (sometimes just for a joke) how that monument of american popular music had the kindness of interpreting one song in arabic language at the end of the show. The song was a very popular easy-playing Tunisian hit, but arabic is a hard language for non-native speakers. I doubt she did that only for professional concern She has at least one thing in common with Jackson Browne: her name initial letters.

Conclusion: true moments hold for eternity.


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Posted by:

Bob Emu

Location: the Midwest

Subject: ABB notes for Hank from Cork

"Louisiana Lou" is deemed the worst song in the ABB catalog in Scott Freeman's "Midnight Riders" book from '95. They weren't even all present for its recording- bassist Lamar Williams, pianist Chuck Leavell & Dickey Betts were the only group members at the original session in Macon, Georgia. Gregg Allman's organ was overdubbed in Los Angeles (as were all of his other contributions on the album), and drummers Butch Trucks and Jaimoe are totally absent, replaced by producer Johnny Sandlin and substitute Bill Stewart on double drums.

I don't know if they ever performed it in concert, but they don't now, because Betts is out of the group (as is any song he ever sang, "Louisiana Lou" being one of these). Not that the ABB won't perform Betts's many instrumentals.

"Win, Lose or Draw" was the second-to-last album I bought by the ABB. It's one of my favorites. If you ever get this album, you won't regret it.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Hey Jude was probably the biggest song of '68.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject:

Sugar Sugar came out in '69........


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Posted by:

skipjack 8th grade student

Location: delaware in the year 2010

Subject: civil war

Regarding Pat Brennan's posting about the Civil War battlefield: I've heard of the Civil War; but do not fully understand what it was about. I've heard it was a fight regarding whether certain states were allowed to fly their flags if they contained a Confederate stars and bars in it. I've never personally seen a confederate flag so I have little interest in something as trivial as the Civil war. One of my teachers(recently fired) told our class that our history teacher wasn't allowed to explain what happened in the 1860's because it could offend some people. She said that it had something to do with freeing slaves; but that there were so many more issues like division of classes in the North and South of the U.S, losses of millions of dollars to farmers in the South if the North won the war, a revolutionary change to an Industrialized America as oppossed to an agrarian society, and not to mention some politicians from both sides wanting to get re-elected(especially the guy on that now defunct penny: I have a 2006 penny with a shaved Honest Abe worth about fifty twosies!(so glad Big Bro got rid of that pesky ONE dollar bill) I went back to my History teacher and he told me he wasn't allowed to talk about the Civil war; but if I wanted to learn on my own to listen to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" by some band and if I wanted to see a Confederate flag to go to one of those Underground blackmarket record stores(remember cd's with that shitty artwork and packaging!) and buy a Leonard Skynard record and I would surely find one there. Wow! He was right. There sure is alot to be said for telling the truth no matter how ugly it is! PS: Don't even get me started on the flight of the French from Quebec to Louisiana. I listened to "Acadian Driftwood", also. Reminded me alot of the Irish Potato "Famine".


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Calvin, what I meant was that I think the majority of people (a slight majority) who do download songs already would be willing to pay a fair price to do it, if it meant that the artists get paid. I don't think that computer files are ever going to replace a tangible product (I hope they don't). At least not in the near future, fifty years from now, who knows.

I do agree that it's easier to buy obscure music today, thanks to stores like Borders, and the internet. That's awesome. Imagine trying to find a Garth Hudson CD twelve years ago. But, unfortunately, those stores are all big corporations that are driving mom and pop record stores, and even local chains, out of business, which is never a good thing.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: One Last Night in Charlottesville (Down in Old Virginny)

Subject: "The Weight" at Bodo's Bagels

The original version of The Band played at the indoor big sports arena here at the University of Virginia back in the early 1970s, and then the later incarnations of the group rolled through town a time or two in later years, so I guess it shouldn't be that surprising that "The Weight" turned up on a great assortment of Dylan, Byrds and other songs as I had my bagel and coffee at the local independent altarnative to "Charbucks." But what blew me away were the number of college-age voices SINGING ALONG with the chorus when it rolled around. Hell, this is the town that produced the Dave Matthews Band (he used to tend bar here) and I would expect them to sing along with Dave--but sing along with Levon? Never in my wildest dreams. Hey, down here at UVA, the kids are alright...


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Napster for $5 and the idea music sucks today

I seriously doubt that most people would sign up for a napster like system if there was a small fee form 20 downloads a month as someone asserted. For one thing the computer revolution isnt as widespread as people believe, home PC penetration has hovered in the mid %50 for about 7-8 years now in the states. Meaning close to half the people in the US dont have the computer to do the downloads from, and at least half that do wouldnt know how and if they did wouldnt want to bother. People like to own things, they like having all the lyrics, the artwork, the packaging-the like buying the package. Downloading doesnt afford that. Its why itll really never replace going to the store, or ordering over the net. Just one man's opinion. A current theme Ive noticed in the GB is "Music isnt what it use to be,"-well, sure it is, weve just gotten a little older and it just seems that way. We tend to forget that in 1968 with all that "great" music going on the biggest single of the year was Sugar, Sugar by the Archies while our boys cracked the top 40 twice in the states. Bubblegum has always outsold good music, but there is a ton of good music being recorded right now, probably more than ever with all the indy labels and much expanded small venue concert scene. A place such as Borders carries so much music that you would never have found 30 years ago. As a whole there are more creative musicians in the R&R pop industry than ever before, in a quantity measurement. Its a great time to be a listener.


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Posted by:

Fred

About charging a flat monthly/yearly fee to download music: if it's still in business, emusic.com does this. The money (or some of it I guess) goes to the artists. I downloaded a lot of stuff from them during their one month free trial period! Too cheap (on my part) to sign up for the long haul...maybe next time.

Gotta go batten down the hatches as a typhoon is heading our way.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: writing / rock novels

Joe – interesting comparison. I’d say you made the right choice of two there. You have 10,000 readers, which is good news for future work. To put it in perspective the average first book with a UK publisher sells 2000 copies. One fifth of your sales. Your mate will have had to work his balls off to generate 1100 self published- radio stations, local papers, being nice to bookstores. I hope he wasn’t licking stamps and doing up parcels – there are companies who do that. For a fee or a cut of course. But you got someone else to do that for you. You have the potential to sell more and more chance of subsiduary deals – he might just have bottomed out UNLESS a ‘legit’ publisher comes in and takes it over. Which in record terms is why people like RR stick with the major labels. You don’t have to worry about whether you’re being ripped off. You KNOW you are, but you probably get to find out by how much. Above all you have the chance of reaching more people (if they don’t bury it, if they promote it, if they have a decent advertising budget … but these things do sometimes come together.) I was surprised to see that Jorma’s new one was on Columbia in fact.

“Number one With A Bullet” was a favourite. “Paperback Writer” not so much. Any more? The Man Who Shot Mick Jagger was pretty good.


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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Moseley, Birmingham, UK

Subject: Gobshite

If Joe isn't Al Edge he's close enough to stand in. More, mate...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

There was a time, mid 80's I think (I can check), that a cool thing appeared at a location here of one of the big record store chains - it was Sam Goody or The Wall I think. It was a set-up in the corner called the "Personics System". You browsed through a catalog of songs and picked out whatever you wanted. You presented it to the salesperson and you had a custom cassette tape made of those songs. The cost of the songs ran about seventy-five cents as I recall. Some were a little more, some a little less. You got to title the tape, and it came in a case with a nice printed insert that listed the songs, the bands, the year they were released, and even the publisher. I had one done, which I still have. I think it ran me around nine bucks - and I had a great tape which had all songs that I wanted very much.

Nowdays, it's better to do it from the comfort of your home. They ought to do what BWNWITenn says and simply charge a resonable fee - that should make everyone happy.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Rock Novels/W. Guthrie Memorial Concert

Four distinctly non-literary titles come to mind when I think of rock novels. Thom Keyes’ “All Night Stand” (chronicle of a British beat group from Hamburg days through hazy, psychedelic dissolution; my 1967 paperback blurbed that it would soon be a major motion picture starring the Rolling Stones); Elaine Jesmer’s “Number One with a Bullet” (Marvin Gaye-like hero battles mob influence in his record company, which, oddly enough, seems based equally on Motown and Houston’s Duke label); James R. Baker’s “Fuel Injected Dreams” (a genuinely creepy necrophiliac love story featuring a barely disguised Phil Spector); and Mark Shipper’s “Paperback Writer,” the absurdist alternative history of the Beatles that often makes more sense than the actual events (I especially approve of Del Shannon [permanently] replacing George Harrison during the band’s first U.S. tour).

As far as that Carnegie Hall Woody Guthrie concert, it was in 1968, not 1970, about six months before the release of “Big Pink.” The Band wasn’t billed as “The Band”; they weren’t billed as anything at all. They just showed up and played, which added to the mystery of things. The recordings released from that show are still in print and are as close as to live basement tapes as anything we’ll ever hear.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: images

Crabbie: The Woody Guthrie Estate is hammering on Eliot Landy's door as I write demanding … well, demanding what? Image rights are a hot issue and currently most publishers steer clear of everything unless the subjects have signed release forms in blood in triplicate. But what is a photo worth if taken for private use? One director I used to work with had a very cavalier attitude. Here's a camera. You don't like it, so move out of its field of vision. Fine, as long as he was on public land (as he was fond of saying). Anyway, the photos are great. No harm is done. A video or audio recorder is a potential bootleg and an artist would be mad to allow it, which is why Butch correctly states his task had he seen one. But still pictures? I treasure my shots of Marvin Gaye in concert. I was right up front. No one stopped me. Surprising as it may seem, when I've given academic /educational talks myself the flashbulbs pop away. I've never complained - on condition I never have to look at them.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Stooges

"Elliot Landy was a New Yorker who, in his own words, 'had flipped out on a combination of strong grass and high-quality sound'. He'd started taking pictures at anti-war marches and rock concerts, giving them to the New York underground press free and helping with layouts. Along with one or two other snappers, he'd managed to sneak a camera into the Woody Guthrie concert, only to be bundled unceremoniously out of Carnegie Hall by a couple of Grossman stooges for his troubles. This, surprisingly, did not deter him from presenting Albert with some photos he'd taken of Janis Joplin at the Anderson Theater. 'Albert was scary,' says Landy, 'but to his credit he overlooked our little contretemps when he saw my photographs.'"

[excerpt from Barney Hoskyn's "Across the Great Divide" p.164]

The Carnegie Hall concert referred to was the Woody Guthrie Memorial Concert in 1970 which featured The Band backing Dylan in his first outing since his motorcycle accident. I was there - but not yet into photography - maybe I'd be rich and famous today if I had been. Great show btw!!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Gobshites

If you don't know the fine Irish word Gobshite, you're not reading enough Roddy Doyle or watching enough "Father Ted". On which, is "The Committments" (the book, not the film) the best rock novel yet? Any other contenders?


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Posted by:

Bones

The Dixie Chicks were on the Letterman Show last night, and after they finished their song, Paul and the band went staight into "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and played it all through the break.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: David Johansen / Men Without Hats

"You don't have to JUSTIFY anything you say or do
and you don't have to TESTIFY to anything I hold as true
and you don't have to MYSTIFY me oh but darlin' you do
and if you won't be here anymore then I won't be around at all
You don't have to be like anyone I've ever known before
You just have to come in here and darlin' please shut the door
I said I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE JUSTINE come in and shut the door

You don't have to REALIZE anything I'm trying to do
and I don't want to CRITICIZE anything you hold as true
and I don't have to ANALYZE you oh but darlin' I do
and if you won't be here anymore then I won't be alive at all
So you don't have to JUSTIFY anything you say or do
and you don't have to MYSTIFY me but oh but darlin' you do
JUSTINE you do"
(produced by Mick Ronson and David Johansen)

Whether Johansen is singing JUSTINE or HUMAN BEING or KATIE MAE or WANG DANG DOODLE or the songs of Kurt Weill.....He is the kind of gifted singer who can adapt to any musical genre......He is so good!!!....Btw....He was wearing white laced shoes and was all dressed in white....except for his shades......very different personality than Sumlin...;-D

Jenny T: "Safety Dance" is by another Canadian group Men Without Hats


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

See, if there was a site that allowed for downloads from any label and publisher, like Napster, for a fee of $5.00 a month for a limit of 20 downloads, I think most people would sign up for it. Most people do want the artists to get paid, I believe. The site could keep a percentage of the fee. The rest would be paid to the labels and publishers at a rate based on a sample survey, similar to what the PROs do for airplay. Users could be monitered, and anyone who was caught trading files that were not permitted, such as unreleased studio recordings, like Dave Matthews, would be banned from the site. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a practical one. Everyone would get paid fairly, and unauthorized stuff would be held somewhat in check. If the subscription fee was via credit card, if you were banned from the site, you would not be allowed to join again on the same credit card number. Apparently blank cassette tapes used to come with an insert back in the '70s that said "Home Recording Is Killing the Music Industry." Well, it didn't, and neither will downloading.

God, I need something to do!!!!!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Personally, I have downloaded probably 35 songs altogether from Napster and Winmx. Out of those, I ended up buying maybe five or six CDs, most of which I wouldn't have bought without having downloaded the song. But none of the other songs are ones that I would ever, ever buy on CD anyway. I'm not going to pay $15 to hear Bo Donaldson, but it's cool to hear a song that I vaguely remember liking when I was six years old (yes, I'm blushing). I would have no problem paying to download, for a reasonable price. The labels have already phased out singles for sale in stores, so what do you do if you want to hear one song? Buy a CD that retails for $18.99, or download it? I think that a reasonable price for a downloaded song would be $.25, since the statutory mech. rate is $.08, and the typical catalog master lease is usually about $.08. That would still leave a healthy profit, considering a downloaded file does not include artwork, manufacturing or distribution costs. But what are the labels charging on their downloadable sites? $5.00? Some of them offer files that delete themselves after a month, but you still have to pay for them! They just keep shooting themselves in the foot through their own greed, and end up losing money because of their greed. I don't think that the majors are going anywhere, but I do think the future of popular music lies in DIY. Think about it - the artists are unhappy with major labels, and consumers are unhappy with major labels. Something's gotta give sometime.

God, I need something to do!!!!!


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Posted by:

Bill

I believe Ilkka is quoting from the book of Ecclesiastes - obviously the part that Pete Seeger couldn't fit into his song. The fact that Sony is mentioned, some 2000 years before Nostradamus, is most impressive.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Crabby's pics

For some times ago I said that I admire CRABBY's skills on photographing faces. I still do. Video or not. Like they say in the Holy Bible, the Old Testament:
"There is a time,
to crawl in the bushes and take a pic of a smiling lady bug.
There is a time,
to start your Sony and take a pic of a smiling Levon Helm."

Always nice to defend Crabgrass with a quote from The Holy Book :)))))))))))))))


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Musician

Sort of sorry to hear that Musician magazine went out of business. I was a loyal reader from the early 80s to sometime in the 90s. It started out being Musician: Player and Listener then when it seemed pretty much aimed at the Player rather than the Listener I let it lapse. But they had a lot of great issues I still have in the attic.

On other Guestbook issues: CD prices are too high to just try out albums anymore. And I agree with Peter V. that within many okay long albums there is a shorter great album lurking.

Speaking of CDs, I have the remastered ROA and Islands in the CD player. What did Mac Rebenack do at ROA?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: written words for cash

Joe__ Write a Screenplay. That's where the money is, plus you get it upfront! You get a good idea, you write it down, some Indie filmmaker with stars in his eyes buys it, takes it on, pretty big money in your hand, 16 to 60 grand, depending on the budget of the film. When two years passes and the film-maker with the stars in his eyes hits a brick wall and realizes he can't dig up the cash to produce. Bingo! You get your screenplay back and you get to keep the money. All ya do is find another film-maker and sell it again under the same rules as before. (It's easier the second time around, and every time someone buys the piece, you move up a notch on the totem pole) Everybody Wants to Make a Picture!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Gobshite???? I don't know what it means, but damn, I like it.

I guess part of the job description says that if you can't catch someone, you should come back and anonymously insult them three days later. Gobshite.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: The economics of it all

Might be relevant

I had a book published. Was critically acclaimed [he says modestly] and to date has sold 10,000 copies. To date I have received around £4,500 in royalties. Not a lot spread over 4 years and a relatively minute proportion of the £75,000 the book has generated in sales.

A mate of mine published his own book with shall we say not a little advice and practical help from myself. His effort was critically panned but being a complete self publicist type of guy he has sold around 1100 copies and made a clear profit of about £8,000 in less than a year.

Am I bitter?

Not at all though I guess I would be if I depended upon it for a living. As it happens my feelings are of the 'good luck to you mate' nature for my mate's enterprise. There again I have always been a bit of a gobshite. Point is though, hopefully , I will have learned from it all.

Hope this is relevant to the CD thingymajib stuff.

The moral? The artist - and I do not class myself as such - without business acumen will most of the time end up a victim judged by purely economic criteria.


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Posted by:

Bill

Richie: "Morning Dew" was originally written by Toronto folksinger Bonnie Dobson, and first appeared on a solo LP she recorded in NY in the early '60s. I read that fellow folkie Vince Martin (Fred Neil's partner, among other things) made some changes that Tim Rose then picked up and turned into a co-writing credit - and because he had the big version people (including MOJO just recently) sometimes give him full credit.

Speaking of Robert Plant's beautifully minimal renditions, the same MOJO article went on about how much Plant likes Skip Spence's music (me too!) without noting that Plant's "Darkness Darkness" is the Youngbloods tune sung over an instrumental track that is largely Spence's "Chinese Song" from the criminally underrated "20 Granite Creek" LP. And, did Plant ever do "Don't Fear The Reaper"? I heard a great version on the radio that sounded just like him, but the artist wasn't identified.

I like the blues now that I'm middle-aged, but I didn't think much of them in general until years (decades?) after I fell for the fab five. I think it's just as easy getting to our guys via R&R, C&W, cajun/zydeco, pop radio, Dylan ...


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl in NYC

Thanks for the review. I can't wait to see your photos! Levon has the best facial expressions, doesn't he? A magical night...I am happy for you.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Brown-Eyed Girl!!! I can't wait to see your pics... My experience has been that evening boat rides can be on the cool side (MN anyway)... but you and Crabby sound like you kept warm alright... in fact, how did Butch get you guys to actually leave the boat... take care...


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Subject: Indiana state

Hello everybody who are living in that nice state of Indiana

If you like the band and basketball too, an exciting match will be held at Indianapolis - RCA Dome - tomorrow 29 august at 8 p.m.


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Posted by:

Rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: The Blues

Brown-Eyed-Girl should lock herself in a room with a stashful of Skip James! I didn't think it was even possible to appreciate The Band without havin' it in ya for The Blues. I guess some folks came in another door...I didn't even know there was another door. Interesting....


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Fredericksburg/Chancellorsville

Pat: sounds like another battle between Carl Silver (who, I have inside information is in arears to his lawyers :) ) and people like Enos Richardson who used to live down my block on Caroline St. I'm still tempted to rent an SUV and drive it through that damned traffic light (the pole, not the intersection) in front of the Chancellor property.


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Posted by:

butch

let's get one thing straight !,,,,,,,

I have a job to do,,,, & whether you like it or not,,, if Hubert Sumlins mgr & Levon & Davey Jo, ask that there be NO VIDEO CAMERAS,,, then that is part of my job !!!!!!!!!!!!

i never said they werent good , if not great pix,, BUT,,,if i had seen a video camera,,, id have to stop the filming,,,,,,,,as i did twice # the jersey show,,, or maybe next time, come & introduce yourself & talk to me about it,, instead of sneaking it,, that is my point,,,,,

so, stop all this hand-wringing & piling on,, you do your jobs,, & i will do mine,,,,,

sorry if ya dont like it, or understand it,,,,, but it is the artists wishes,,,,,,

go argue with them,


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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Moseley, Burmingham UK
Web: My link

Subject: Adam Duritz / Counting Crows and My Favourite Year

Interesting comment, Richie, about Brit bands acknowledging The Band as an influence. There's a good interview with the splendid Adam Duritz of Counting Crows at the link above. He talkes a little about the song about the song "Richard Manuel is Dead" and also makes the following comment:

"I don't know that we actually sound like the band, but I think that the lesson we learned from the band is that the best bands listen to each other when they play, and then they play things that are a reaction to what the other guy's playing. And I could clearly hear that in the music of the band. And that, intellectually, is a big influence on how I push our band to perform. But you have to listen to each other.

This has got to be a case of the interviewer not knowing 'The Band' and hearing/transcribing 'the band'. Have a read.

Counting Crows were at V2002 (a significant rockfest in the UK) where my daughter saw them and thought they were excellent - along with Gomez who, as Richie said, pay tribute to our boys.

Fred - My Favourite Year was on cable here two nights ago. Great film.

Great pics Crabby. Another county heard from.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: money

I don’t think we’re in disagreement on the general issue of paying the producers. People can make money out of small label CDs sold at gigs. I’m told that an album sold at gigs (at 90% profit, usually in cash) can make an active performing artist more than a major label release. Record company accounting is appalling I’m told. Book accounting is vastly more honest in comparison but also pretty bad. There are things the ‘creator’ of the intellectual copyright can never chase. Like selling distribution rights to a foreign publisher for peanuts to sweeten them or whatever.

You’re correct about the relative pricing of vinyl and cassette. In production terms, CD is by far the cheapest to produce and has been for 12 or 15 years. They’re stamped out. Cassettes have to be loaded into machines, run, and taken out. On a recent costing each cassette cost about four times as much as a CD to produce. There’s also a significant returns number on cassettes and often it’s the consumer’s fault too, either by playing them over filthy heads or baking them on car parcel shelves. It’s not always the consumer’s fault. One batch of an educational cassette I did was printed with an Elton John record on instead. Unfortunately it was Rock of the Westies. Vinyl costs are high because (a) it’s an audiophile market now, meaning best-quality vinyl, good sleeves etc (b) the economy of scale has long gone. I’ve argued this for years, as educational publishing (my area) still prefers cassettes to CDs and the way to switch people to CDs is to be realistic and price them cheaper than cassettes. But what would really happen is they’d price cassettes higher than CDs.

I also suspect that the 7% drop in sales has something to do with video games, and Music DVDs as competition. It is also true that there hasn’t been much of spectacular public interest in music in the last two years – no new Beatles or Stones or Soul explosion or Psychedelic era or Glam rock or Madonna or Bruce or Spice Girls or early Oasis to pull the public into the stores. I mean, Ryan Adams? Good enough but hardly a world shattering event. On quality, the 45 minute album has become the 65 minute CD and there is generally (sorry, always) an extra 20 minutes that is third-rate. At least two reviewers said that “The Rising” would be a 5 star album with two fewer tracks on it. Counting Crows ‘Hard Candy’ is 67 minutes (with its UK bonus tracks). Cut it to a 1970s 45 minutes and it would be superb rather than just good. I praised ‘Jubilation’ when it appeared for being an honest 43 minutes with no filler.

I still love a good record store, but admit that two of my recent purchases have been mail order – ‘Whispering Pines’ and then Jorma Kaukonen’s ‘Blue Country Heart’ which arrived just an hour ago.


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Posted by:

jeff N

Subject: David Lindley review for Bob Wigo

Fantastic show! Go! He even signed my copy of "Stupid White Men".:)


Entered at Wed Aug 28 06:33:37 CEST 2002 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Jeff: about picking up CDs on a hunch....when i was in my teens & twenties it used to happen a lot and I think I liked about 80 to 90 percent of what I'd pick up. Nowadays, when I buy a CD ("new" rock/pop music, not established artists) on a hunch usually there might be 1 or 2 tracks that I like, but that's about it. However I find if I buy jazz CDs on a whim I'm usually more that satisfied. This applies to new and well known jazz musicians.

Maybe it's a sign that we're getting older and more set in our ways!!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Bluezzzz Cruise In NYC

As most of you know......I was never a huuuuuge fan of the bluezzzz......Sure I have music by B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Robert Cray, KoKo Taylor, Etta James, and I have seen Ottawa's Sue Foley open for King and some of these greats live but.....the bluezzzz was never a fave genre of music for me......

Well I like to challenge myself musically so there I was in NYC once again....fourth time this year to experience live music in NYC!.....(Hank solo, Jim Weider's Band, Garth Hudson, Buddy Cage (another one born in Toronto) and gang, Hank's Open Kitchen and this time Hubert Sumlin, David Johansen and Levon Helm and gang.......

I knew the bluezzzz was in the air.....Let's just say that everyone could smell it.....hee hee......cool runnings all night long.....Anyway.....I moved as close as possible to Levon......and I don't know if it was my imagination but he gave me a look and smile like.....Go ahead darlin'.....I'm Levon Helm.....click all ya want.......It was great to see Levon play and have fun with this group of amazing musicians...................

Then I was amazed at watching and photographing Johansen.....I was never a Dolls fan but I do have one of his solo recordings ("In Style" 1979) which I still enjoy very much......He did all the singing and prancing around.....His beard and longer hair reminded me of bourgeois Mick in "Performance"?......

Ok......It was Hubert Sumlin who hypnotized me ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL NIGHT LONG......He was wearing these black buckled shoes......some of ya know.....I notice shoes......lol.....pleated pants.....and to top it all off.......Oh Hubert!.......He was wearing a hat just like the one my cool and loving Grandpa would wear......so stylish and endearing to me!!!.....Now.....don't let that observation mislead ya.......Hubert may be around 70 years old......but let me tell ya......and that boyish smile.......:-DD....I couldn't keep my eyes off of him from that moment on......."Little Red Rooster" still plays in my mind.....and everytime the crowd showed their appreciation and Hubert knew the band did a good job.....He would raise one leg and lightly snap his fingers to say to the boyzzzzz.....Alright!.....We're doin' good!!!!!.....

I was sooooo lucky.....I sat right in front of Hubert most of the evening and felt soooo good all night long......all night long......and yes......I clicked away with my camera......Heck I came from Cabbagetown.....I was here for some good vibrations.......Hubert didn't mind at all......He was too cool to mind and he was too busy groovin' himself.......And then near the end of the cruise he stood up (most of the evening he played seated) and played his guitar like very few can play........and practically came right at us! I had to move back he was so close! He knew his natural charm and effortless and tasty licks were doing their magic.....He was in the mood to treat us real close and personal......Yup! He's my bluezzzz hero now...........I'm so thankful that I was able to make this show......If anyone can turn ya onto the bluezzzzz......it's HUBERT SUMLIN.......:-D

In my opinion......this is the group of musicians who should be playing with Levon ........or at least this group of seasoned and talented musicians should make one recording together......"Ain't no question about it".........Btw.....I hope to share some photos from this once in a lifetime gig real soon.....


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Posted by:

Jeff

Okay, i guess it is time for me to officially become a member of this guestbook and get a little bloodied up. While i agree that there is a cost differential between the cost of a cassette and a Cd, has anyone tried buying a recently manufactured VINYL ALBUM.I have not, but I am told that the cost is high. Furthermore, the cost of recording a well produced, good sounding record, mixing it,& mastering it, can destroy you. At the same time, it will keep you from doing any thing else with your life for a good long time. So, while you are spending, spending,& spending some more, you really are not making money.

On the other hand, I do feel that very few records really deliver the goods anymore. How often do you guys pick up a cd on a hunch, and just get blown away. I am 43, I remember that from the age of 10 up, for a good long time I could buy things on a hunch and really get my money's worth. Today, that hardly ever happens, unless it is a purchase of old music that i unearthed or never ran across before. One of my big thrills in life (is this sad, or what) has always been buying a recording that i never heard before, and really loving it, top to bottom. It still happens occassionally, but not often enough.

So, I feel that there are 2 good arguments going here. Believe it or not, I do not feel that $13.00 or $15.00 is to much for a cd. I do know what it costs to pay musicians, pay studios, engineers,etc. After that, you still have to spend nothing but time and money promoting and marketing. Believe me, $15.00 for a good, solid cd is not too much. However, I really feel that there is a scarcity of product that warrants the expense. There are a multitude of reasons for that. A lot of them go back to what one of the other guest bookers was relating before, the fact that the "music business" has been taken over by businessmen who want a sure thing, and only a sure thing.SO, not only are the labels really reluctant about new acts that do not for some reason seem as though they may be commercially viable, a new artist usuaully is very tightly controlled these days. You are not going to come across too many newer acts that can exert any where near as much influence over their sound or the songs they record as they would like, if they are on a label.And , on top of that, established artists also are running the gauntlet when it comes down to that. These are just a few reasons. . There are a lot more, however my brain is tired, as am i , and the rest of my harangue will have to wait.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Morning Dew/The Civil War

Richie, there are only factions here if you feel like dwelling on it. It's all a concoction. Concerning Morning Dew, if there's a better version than the one on the first Jeff Beck album--aptly entitled "Truth"--I'm not aware of it.

If you noticed, a developer is trying to rape another Civil War battlefield, in this case, the field at Chancellorsville just west of Fredericksburg, Virginia. A coalition of seven preservation groups have bonded to fight this travesty and it will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out. However, all of us here will be most interested in a snippet from a NY Times article about the brewing battle which addressed the effect of the war on today;s pop culture: "It's not just limited to 19th- and early-20th-century high literary figures," said Peter Hales, a cultural historian at the University of Illinois. He cited popular musicians like the Band and Stephen Stills as modern artists who have used Civil War themes.

Bravo to Crabgrass for taking and posting those fine pictures. You can all guess the yang.


Entered at Wed Aug 28 05:14:22 CEST 2002 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Whingefest

I've noticed that big business (doesn't matter if it's the music business, the automotive industry, sports, and so on) likes to whine quite a bit--sales are down sob sob, we're not making any money sob sob and so it goes. It's a world-wide phenomenon, isn't it?

Maybe CEOs (and the like) should slash their bonus packages and reinvest in their prospective companies/businesses instead of going off crying to the government & public about how things are bleak (sob sob), looking for either a handout (taxpayers' money) or raising prices.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: My favourite year (cont'd)....

HAHAHAHAthanks Rosalind!


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Posted by:

Quinn the Eskimo

Location: Maryland

Subject: RIAA cries the blues; bassmanlee and Peter Viney

When the record industry complains/whines about compact disc sales falling 7 percent they automatically blame the growing use of Internet downloading services which they further claim undermines sales. This is pure propaganda!

1) They don’t know the reason for the 7% dip. There is additional competition for entertainment dollars these days, and it is right in the same stores as the CDs. Video games and computer games suck up these dollars and it’s a relatively closed economy; i.e. the money that goes to those items has to hurt sales of something.

2) they ignore what the surveys show: As Mr. Viney says, Napster users bought more CDs than average, it can be legitimately argued that downloading is fuels buying. And we don’t know that it is not the case with a younger audience.

3) As Bassmanlee says, the 5-6 dollar differential between casettes and CDs never went away, despite a class-action suit [though I’m not sure where that went].


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Posted by:

Rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: For Fred..

That scene where O'Toole walks into the bathroom and that old brood that works on the clothing designs has a cigarette between her lips.. she says "Say You, This bathroom is for ladies only" and O"Toole looks at her and then starts to unzip his pants and says "So is this Madam, but sometimes I have to run a little water thru it"


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Posted by:

Fred

My Favourite Year...now that's a movie you don't see enough of on TV or quoted enough from (some great lines in that one...all of which escape me at the minute..I've got an excuse: a terrible headache)


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Posted by:

Rosalind

Location: ...the wrong side of the tracks

Subject: Goin' South

Hey Richie_ Ya know those exclusive country clubs and golf courses that won't allow membership to those they consider to be somehow beneath them ? Well kid, welcome to the curb across the street. But I'm sure they would be more than happy to have you sit across the street and look longingly over toward the greens with envy in your eyes....or you can just sit there and laugh your ass off. Remember Peter O'Toole's line in "My Favorite Year" when he took that big ol' fire hose and hooked it to his body and dangled out on the roof of that 20 story building ? His line was "It's Just Fun!" That was always my favorite scene!


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Posted by:

Jeff Newsom

Subject: To:BWNWITennessee

You remind me alot of Popeye! (Nice pics!)


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Peter, when you're factoring in the costs associated with artwork, marketing, etc., don't forget that these same costs all went into cassettes and vinyl. But when CDs came out there was a substantial increase in cost (more than double at the time) which was supposedly to pay for R&D, but never went away.

The problem with the music industry is that in the '50s and '60s, most executives in the industry were to some extent musicians, with a love for music, who decided they would be happier with an office job than on the road, or whatever. Now, most people ultimately in charge are accountants and people with business and financial backgrounds, so all they see is profit and product. Performers aren't looked at as artists, they're contracters who create product. Unfortunately, the people who buy music don't see it as product, they see it as an artform, that's why today's product is selling less and less.

Crabgrass, I wondered if you were a loser. I had a feeling you were. If you'd like to retort, I'd be happy to help you out. I have some experience with it. Let's see, a lot of people here like Crabgrass, a lot of people like Butch. It's time to draw that line in the sand and pick a side, people. I'm predicting a GB civil war. Maybe the secessionists will create a thisband.com website, dedicated that obscure 1990s blues and boogie cover band, the Hawks.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: The Foot of Mr. Jefferson's Mountain (Tonight) in Old Virginny

Subject: Emmylou Turns Up With the Dixie Chicks

Now perhaps the most prolific background singer in popular music history, Emmylou Harris turns up on the fine new disc by the Dixie Chicks, HOME. It is a radical departure from the more mainstream production of their first two discs (even though they sold over 10,000,000 copies EACH). I can imagine the Texas trio coming up with an awesome track for that fantasy "Tribute to The Band" CD. They could cover "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and leave that lame, mangled Baez version in the dust...


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Posted by:

molly girl

Location: the land of cotton

Subject: gazza

gazza: I was just wondering how the concert went that you and your son produced. if i remember correctly you were working up a rendetion of Unfaithful Servant. the answer to your last question: yes we sell plenty of chewing tobacco. also there are alot of tobacco farmers in these parts. see ya, molly


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: Minnesota

Subject: Richard's CD

If anyone has Richard's CD (the Japanese release) and is willing to burn a copy I'd be forever grateful. I'll trade you something in exchange if you're interested. Any response is appreciated. E-Mail me at cdnev@juno.com. Thanks in advance!


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Posted by:

basmanlee

Subject: the record biz

Peter, take the time to read the article at the link I posted previously. It has quite a bit to say about book writing and publishing as well.

And BTW, direct quote from same: "Again, from personal experience: in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major labels, and I've never once received a royalty check that didn't show I owed them money." Record company accounting is legendary, right up there with the film industry. Musician magazine (now sadly defunct) did an article a few years back about where the money goes. Yes, they still dock artists for a certain number of copies for "returns", although they no longer accept returns from retailers. And the 5-6 dollar differential between casettes and CDs never went away, even though cost of production (the original excuse) is no longer an issue, and they pay LESS in royalties to songwriters and performers. Neat, eh? I'm in the wrong business...

I think the point is that artists have the means of production in their hands now. Local studios with digital boards and recorders can make really decent product. Duplication costs have plummeted. All that is needed is a new distribution channel and new methods of reaching a potential audience. And one of those methods is file sharing and free downloads. Artists can now make their own CDs for a reasonable amount and sell at gigs and on-line, actually making money from CD sales. The other pattern I see is artists who fund their own recording, then sign distribution deals with small labels to release the product. This keeps them out of traditional record company accounting practices wherein they never make back the supposed cost of recording. (Or never get their stuff released at all.) The big five meanwhile are still looking for the next Saturday Night Fever, Hootie, or similar mega-seller as they have been for the last 30 years. It's just product. Music has very little to do with it.

And yes, I now find it more rewarding to search for music on-line than in the stores. Based on what they stock, and their prices, most stores are not interested in my money. I'd rather buy on-line, used, or directly from the artist. I really can't afford retail!


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: morning dew+julie

julie. just to say, morning dew is classic. its by a guy called tim rose. i saw mr plant perform it with priory of brion , the group he had before strange sensations. just a thought. is this gb dominated by a clique who only respond to certain people,who are all unlike the rest of us are able to go to band related gigs. i hope this is not the case.peace richie.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Blues Cruise Photos

Thanks to all who commented that they enjoyed the Blues Cruise photos!! Glad to be able to share a bit of this extraordinary night with those who couldn't be there.

For those interested, the images were culled from a total of approximately 2 minutes worth of video clips lasting a few seconds each and were taken with a Sony Digital 8 camcorder (the same as all previous photos credited to me which have been put up on the Band site dating back my very first ones depicting these very same musicians gigging in Central Park, June 2000). Advantages of using this method include being able to shoot under extremely low light conditions (two photos of Hubert were actually taken in "infrared mode" as it was so dark) thus obviating the need for ancillary lighting or flash which can be distracting and annoying to performers and audience alike, and a high-power zoom lens which allows for "cropping" while shooting. Additionally, images can be downloaded directly into a computer, digitally enhanced in Photoshop, and e-mailed immediately thereafter for display on a website.

P.S. - URGENT!!!! - Will that "loser" who reportedly "snuck in a video camera" please contact me as I'd very much like to acquire a copy of the complete show on videotape!! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: More downloadable ranting

More. If I can go further … I make my living from royalties so I’m biased. Books are a safer bet than CDs or videos, because they’re more expensive to pirate, and on-screen books haven’t taken off (yet). In the book industry ‘Print on Demand’ (P.O.D.) is on the horizon. You’ll go to the store and they’ll print it for you. Authors organizations believe that the rewards should be split 50 / 50 between publisher and author as the publisher will no longer be printing and distributing the book. Some authors groups believe it should be 75% to the author for this reason. I’ve heard of contracts offering a 10 to 12% royalty for future hypothetical P.O.D., leaving the publisher who is no longer printing, transporting or distributing with 90% to 88%. I suspect record companies will make similar offers to artists when record company sites get into downloadables in a big way (they’re already testing the water). It will only work if the artist gets at least 50% of the fee. If this works, the minor / medium artists may actually be better off.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Downloading

Sorry to disagree about ‘over-priced product.’ Most CDs are actually cheap, if you take the hourly rate of the musicians and writers, recording costs, and for designers, artists, photographers for covers etc. Too often people look at the price of a blank CDR (50 pence) and ask how a CD in a jewel case warrants a price of £15.00 (Excuse me for working in sterling, but it doesn’t alter the point). Well, first the taxman takes a slice – 17.5% here, lets say that reduces it to £12.40. The retailer takes 30% to 40%. The artist gets a small royalty on what’s left minus 10% for ‘breakages in transit’ dating back to the days of 78s. The big sellers are cheaper to buy, but the discount is higher. Most albums are loss making and are subsidized by the big hits. So record companies need a few of those to operate. Musicians making moderate-selling and low-selling records are paid very little for their trouble. Then sales are reduced because of downloading. If the musicians are selling direct off their own sites, great. They make a lot more percentage wise. If they can find a way of being paid for downloadables, great. But in the end most of what goes on is akin to piracy, not bootlegging. It’s an industry where big retail chains and record companies were making a lot. But would you rather browse a large Tower or Virgin or look at a list if titles on screen? Small retailers are fast being squeezed out between the chains (where some suit in an office hundreds of miles away chooses the stock) and downloading. Until a way is found of reliably paying the artist for officially released material, I don’t download. I will buy and I will copy bootlegs, but as they say no one buys boots unless they have nearly all the legal stuff anyway. There will eventually be a solution, or the music business won’t function. It’s not in place yet. When you buy a record, you’re buying someone’s work, not a circular piece of plastic in a jewel case. When you buy software, you’re not buying a CD (and no one thinks you are). You’re buying research and development.

Now I’m aware that a couple of years ago it was found that Napster users bought more CDs than average, and I guess that’s so with most people on this site. Downloading is an adjunct to a keen collector’s awareness. But that’s not the case with a younger audience who have not got the same emotion for CDs and LPs as artifacts / possessions and they’re happy with MP3s (for my kids, the i Pod is the desirable artifact in itself).You can’t turn back the tide, but we have to find a way of rewarding the creators of the music.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

to who is wondering the meaning of the above nickname, please open another window (don't leave the band website, i insist) at URL:

http://www.potsw.org/Lyrics/5poi.htm#nobodys

this is not a pub


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Posted by:

Bones

David Powell: Thanks for giving us a Band link to Allison Moorer. She is outstanding. Her The Hardest Part cd is wonderful! Now I like her even better.

AMC Channel is doing a musical movie tribute this Labor Day Weekend. They will show The Last Waltz three times during the weekend. Times should be listed.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dittoes to Bassmanlee


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Web: My link

Subject: RIAA cries the blues

From Reuters, Aug. 26: "Compact disc shipments fell 7 percent in the first six months of this year versus last year as growing use of Internet downloading services undermined sales, the record industry said on Monday. "

Uh, guys, it couldn't be because the bulk of your overpriced product sucks, would it? See interesting article on Internet, file sharing, and alternate distribution models at link above or http://janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html



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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: the "brown album" as a sonic reference point

In my earlier post I mentioned Robert Baird's profile of Allison Moorer in the September issue of Stereophile. That same issue contains an equipment report on the Manley Laboratories 250 Neo-Classic tube monoblock power amp written by Paul Bolin. As part of his listening tests of the 250 watt tube amplifier, Mr. Bolin used a CD version The Band's eponymous second album as a reference point. Mr. Bolin describes the results as follows: " 'The Band' is steeped in the feel of the post-Civil War era--homespun, rural and earthy--and the plaintive harmonies, resonant guitars, and glorious woody thud of Levon Helm's kick drum were simply sublime. Through the 250s, Helm's keening vocal on 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' took me to a time and place far from my listening room in suburban Minneapolis in a display of pure musical alchemy."

It was a pleasant surprise to read an audio writer vividly describing the attributes of sophisticated audio gear in terms that I can so readily identify with. About a year ago I upgraded my own audio system with a new set of speakers. The first things I listened to were the LP version of the "brown album" and the Steve Hoffman's DCC gold CD version of "Stage Fright". Needless to say, once I heard an increased richness to these recordings that I hadn't heard before, I knew I had chosen the right speakers.


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Posted by:

JULIE

Subject: ROBERT PLANT

Hi, I'm a huge Robert Fan!!! Please give his new song Morning Dew a listen! Maybe If enough people listen...He will find out I'm his biggest fan! You never know! Hey a girl can try! Please give it a listen http://65.45.98/events?14060xy176


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Posted by:

JULIE

Subject: ROBERT PLANT

Hi, I'm a huge Robert Fan!!! Please give his new song Morning Dew a listen! Maybe If enough people listen...He will find out I'm his biggest fan! You never know! Hey a girl can try! Please give it a listen http://65.45.98/events?14060xy176


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: band influences pt 2

the new generation of brit guitar bands are always citing the band as major influences.these include travis and coldplay. indeed coldplay had a new album out yesterday. its quite brilliant. their singer chris martin reminds me of richard manuel. chris has that aching soulful yearning very reminiscent of the great rm. the albums called a rush of blood to the head. brilliant.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: David Lindley

Jeff,

I look forward to reading your report on the show. Lindley is playing soon at The Point in Bryn Mawr, Pa. and I've been considering attending.

Have a great time.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Band's influence

I always enjoy seeing artists, especially younger performers, cite the influence of The Band upon their own music. In the September issue of Stereophile magazine, writer Robert Baird profiles Allison Moorer. For those unfamiliar with Ms. Moorer, she's from Alabama and is the sister of singer Shelby Lynne. She first gained prominence singing "A Soft Place To Fall" for the soundtrack of Robert Redford's "The Horse Whisperer", which received an Academy Award nomination for best song in 1998. She went on to record two fine albums for MCA/Nashville. Recently, she's branched out from the restrictions of mainstream country and recorded a new album for the Universal South label, "Miss Fortune", on which she's adds a blend of soul, rock & pop to her country twang.

Ms. Moorer has also developed her skills as a songwriter. When asked by Robert Baird to cite the songwriters who have influenced her the most she responded: "I like Kris Kristofferson...Dylan, of course. I love, love, love the songs that The Band did. What a force. Listen to 'King Harvest'; it's one of the coolest songs I've heard."


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Posted by:

Jeff Newsom

Subject: David Lindley

Just gettin ready for the David Lindley show here tonight,when I came across this on his home page.Great minds think alike! -"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day." - Theodore Roosevelt, 19-Apr-06


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: QUINN THE ESKIMO/David Johansen

Mr. Eskimo.....or may I call you Quinn? The new CD by Johansen and the Harry Smith's is called "Shaker." Once again on the Chesky label. He does for e.g. Furry's Blues, I Can't Be Satisfied, Death Letter etc. Very acoustic and beautifully raw. Kassie Jones is another great track. It's been out a few weeks and is rarely out of my CD player.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Square Pants

Lil: What you could try to do is replace the Spongebob Squarepants theme song in your head with the Spongebob Squarepants commercial song, which is to the tune of the infectious 80's hit Safety Dance by I forget who. It goes "You can wear square pants if you want to..." My son Dan WAS Spongebob for Halloween, and can give a blow by blow description of each episode--at least you are spared that, I hope, though I have heard even some teenagers are into Spongebob. Band link--Bob's character is obviously based on Dylan.


Entered at Tue Aug 27 12:05:23 CEST 2002 from (80.84.130.132)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Susan: when I said (each generation can find its Robbie Robertson) I was thinking of his personality (perhaps charisma) rather than his music. My comment is adressed to the new generations. I observed that they cultivate a nostalgia towards an era they never knew, and Robbie Robertson underlies it. I guess this is a way to comfort them, or perhaps to be realsistic, or at least to emit an inocent wish: For every season there is a (good)thing.

I agree that the music of the band is nonreproducible. Present day teenagers are allowed to enjoy it through recorded media... even if it is parasitized by all the noise of the world.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: covers / Yarrow

One artist (who I know zero about) who should have a try is Cat Power- she does the version of 'Satisfaction' on the Stones tribute, with gentle acoustic guitar and no chorus. The result is so familiar, but unfamiliar. Great version for a tribute album.

Charlie- I keep looking for 'You are what you eat' - no idea it was on CD. I have a copy on tape & it has those two much-bootlegged Tiny Tim & the Hawks tracks in official versions. The Peter Yarrow LP is 'That's Enough for me' (1973) - the participation is limited to 'Groundhog.' This track was written and produced by Paul Simon with a credit of ‘special help from Robbie Robertson. Levon Helm, and Garth Hudson.’ The complex credits indicate three locations: A & R Studios, New York: Vocal - Peter Yarrow / Mandolin - David Bromberg / Electric Guitar - David Spinoza. Paul Butterfield was overdubbed at Bearsville on mouth harp, while Jimmy Johnson added ‘second electric guitar’ at Muscle Shoals. There are no playing credits to RR, LH and GH … but who knows in the 1973 era. It's an unusual Paul Simon / Band link too.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Wedding Song

All - Do any of you know of a good recording of the Wedding Song sans Dylan? Thanks in advance, Doug


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Steve Earle

An odd coincidence. I'll be backing up both Steve Earle and Tony Fitzpatrick at a show in Nashville on Thursday. The BroadAxe Theater is putting it on but I'm not exactly sure where it is. I've been told it's near Vanderbilt. It's Steve's first Nashville show since the Wall Street Journal and its ilk (Paula Zahn anyone?) started distorting his John Walker song, so it should be fun. I promise to quote liberally from the Garth Hudson canon.


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Posted by:

Quinn the Eskimo

Location: Maryland

Subject: David Johansen etc.

John D - Please give more details on that second David Johansen and the Harry Smiths CD. The first is great.

For all you Steve Earle detractors from a while back in the GB: Remember Bobby D said in 1963: “I just got to be, as I got to admit that the man who shot President Kennedy, Lee Oswald, I don't know exactly where --what he thought he was doing, but I got to admit honestly that I too - I saw some of myself in him. I don't think it would have gone - I don't think it could go that far. But I got to stand up and say I saw things that he felt, in me - not to go that far and shoot. (Boos and hisses) You can boo but booing's got nothing to do with it. It's a - I just a - I've got to tell you, man, it's Bill of Rights is free speech...”

And don’t forget that it wasn’t too cool in 1969 to write and sing a song about the Civil War from a Confederate's perspective.

At times art makes stranger bedfellows than politics.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: Ko-Ko Joe

David = I won a batch of Jerry Reed records(vinyl) on ebay a while back, and the guy I won them from threw in about four other Reed albums in with the ones I won. The Jim Croce covers one was among them. I haven't spun it yet, but now you've made me want to listen to it........I couldn't agree with you more about his acting. He was even great as The Snowman in the Smokey and the Bandit movies. I could listen to Jerry's "East Bound and Down" anytime - and what a guitar lead he plays on that tune........I had the pleasure of seeing him play in Connecticut a couple of years back. Unfortunately he dosen't get up to the North-East very much.......As I said before, I'd love to see him and Levon hook up in some project.

Hey, while I'm on the subject, Jerry Reed used to be a frequent guest on the old "Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour" TV show way back when. There were some jams between Jerry and Glen, who is an amazing guitarist himself. I'd love to find some video or even audio recordings of those old shows. Anybody got any leads - please let me know. Thanks.

wipeout1960@yahoo.com - (different e-mail than the one I've posted before).


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Web: My link

Amanda - thanks for the name drop awhile back, but unfortunately there is not currently an EXBWNWIT (I don't know who that BWNHITenn chick is). However, interested applicants can click on my link above. All submissions will be considered. I have included a picture of myself, along with some pertinent details. Feel free to take a gander.

I thought it was very nice that Robbie posted that message "To a dear friend," Levon, awhile back. Filled my heart with warmth.

Bumbles, you're my new guestbook hero for including the Latin Playboys on your list.


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Posted by:

Vitor Bernardes

Location: Brasil

Subject: Counting Crows' new tribute to The Band

Hey people,

Sorry if this has already been mentioned before, the searches I ran turned up nothing, but you never know...

Anyway, I just came across this song from Counting Crows' newest album, released last month: "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)". I haven't heard it yet, does anyone know anything about it?

Vitor


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Posted by:

G-Man

Crabby,,GREAT photos of the Boss!!! Had to miss that show!! Did manage to catch JWB; they were really cookin!! Due for some Bosses blues on 9/17!!!


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Sept. 17 tickets

Thnx to St. Butch for favors received. Mchly appcd.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: That Old Black Vinyl (and some new, too)

Thanks to a great used CD and vinyl store called Safe as Milk Records in downtown Roanoke, Virginia, today I found a near mint STAGEFRIGHT on vinyl, with the original poster wrapped around the cover. It was a later pressing with the purple label featuring the US Capitol building logo. I'm still looking for a MOONDOG MATINEE poster to replace my original that I lost in a fire 15 years ago. I also picked up the new 180 gram vinyl release of SANCTUARY III, the latest volume of Byrds' unrelased material, this batch culled from the Clarence White period.

At the same store I also found a cheap copy of something I never expected to see on CD--the soundtrack to the movie "You Are What You Eat" featuring John Simon, Paul Butterfield, Peter Yarrow and others. I'm still trying to track down a vinyl copy of that Peter Yarrow solo CD featuring members of The Band. Does anyone own that? Is it worth the effort?


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Posted by:

butch

Location: ulster co

Subject: Levon & the BarnBurners' sept 17th gig

just a reminder ,,,,,,,,,,,

if you are planning on joining us here for the tuesday, Sept 17th's benefit, ( with Tony Garnier on bass ),,,,

please e-mail me so i can reserve tickets,, !!!!!!!!!

they are in big demand,,,,believe me,,,

The Chief of Police here in New Paltz took his wife to dinner @ the same restaurant & she saw the fliers,,, Told him if he is thinking of going,, he better be thinking about taking her !!!!!!!!!! cute,, she's a huge Levon fan, too,,,

it will ba an eclectic gathering,, but THE BLUES will prevail !!!!

e-mail me,, or you'll be shut out,,,,,, bubbaband@aol.com


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey... where are those lurking Travelin' Gals?... I was expecting to read a review of the Poconos show a while back from you... throw a sandal the GB way to let us know your still kicking...


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Howlin' Wolf

As usual, terrific pix. Nice job.


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Empty Now: The Last Waltz, and the Band music in general is a wonderful distraction from the evils of the outside world. For two hours you can live in the moment long ago and now - magic indeed. I think there's no question that Band fans can be found in many cultures. A look at the statistics for this site is revealing; Japan and the Nordic countries record lots of hits to this site. Of course, the Band site is in Norway. At least 3 Finns post regularly, and Ragtime is in the Netherlands. So plenty of people in non-English-speaking countries find something in the Band's music.

Of course, the music is an almagam of many styles with roots in Africa and Europe, and there's an emotional directness in the singing and the writing that is both specific to the song's character and of universal appeal. Virgil Cane is one person dealing with the emotional effects of being on the losing side and seeing some of his way of life disappear in consequence. I like your proverb; in the US just now there seems to be a lot of Hispanic musical influences coming into popular music, and what I hear of the World Beat scene has a lot of North African influences.

When you say 'there is a Robbie Robertson for each generation' what are you thinking of? I'm assuming it's the way his best songs catch a time, and yet are timeless, evoking so much more than the words say. Do you have any candidates for the present generation? I don't hear as much music by newer people as I would like. There's only so much time in a day, and I often want to hear music that gives me guaranteed satisfaction.

I think your friend got it right; they are the kind of guys we'd like for companions. They all, even Robbie, are real and genuine in the Last Waltz interviews. We all know it's an artificial situation, but somehow all the guys reveal themselves in one way or another, and even Robbie's attempts to control the image are indicative of his personality and concern. Ultimately his attempt to hide behind words fails, and he shows more of himself that perhaps he meant to. Even after all this time I'm still curious about the interactions of those personalities. They are all vivid, and very different, yet somehow they made music that is more than the sum of the parts.

Peter V; I like you idea of a medley for Van: The Rumor, New Biography, Why Must I Always Explain. It's got a good thematic link from the general to the specific and would let Van rip on The Rumor's chorus. Where Richard develops it by changing registers Van would probably get more and more into repetition and the scat singing he does


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: politics, etc.

I take exception to J tull Fan saying Band Fans are small. Heck, I'm over 6 feet!


Entered at Mon Aug 26 23:06:09 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Jerry Reed

Bayou Sam: I agree, Jerry Reed is a great singer, songwriter, guitarist and actor. Although he's known as the "Alabama Wildman", he's actually from Atlanta, Georgia. I keep waiting to see him and Levon together in a movie. I thought Mr. Reed was great as the rival football coach, opposite Henry Winkler, in Adam Sandler's "Waterboy". One of my favorite Jerry Reed recordings is the album of Jim Croce covers he did a while back.


Entered at Mon Aug 26 22:45:31 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

WOW! I've been gone for a couple of days, and politics has taken over the GB. I read at least six posts from Benpike that did not refer to the Band one time (not to mention one post where he listed GBers that he said he "hated").

Thanks to Peter Viney for getting us back on track. Oddly enough, I would love to hear Keith Richards have a go at "All La Glory".


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

How about Tracy Chapman doing "All La Glory".


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I actually got a couple of responses on my mentioning of Jerry Reed. I love the Alabama Wildman's music. I always thought that he and Levon seemed to be cut from the same cloth. I'd love to see them do something together.

Crab = nice pics man. You caught Levon in a couple of moments that are different than most his photos. You also got a few nice shots of the city at night, which is tough. For those of you who are not near here, the Twin Towers would have been in a couple of those shots a year ago..... Hey Crab (or anyone else), is that Johansen with the long hair and goatee( that's gotta be spelled wrong, no?). If it is, man he can really re-invent himself can't he.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Of course

We have all forgotten arguably the most tried and tested offering of all - the utterly magnificent and fragile Gene Clark and Tears of Rage.

A version to rank even with Richard's? Possibly not as that would be impossible but not much more than a hair's breadth away all the same.

How could we all be so churlish.

Apologies Gene. May you forgive us all as you sit there strumming and harmonising with fellow angels Richard and Rick. [All you jammy bastards up there!!!!]

I'm sure you will.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Band Covers

a fantasy northern lights/southern cross tribute:

Hobo Jungle: Willie Nelson

Ring your Bell: Los Lobos

Rags and Bones: Steely Dan

It Makes No Difference: George Jones

Ophelia: Jerry Lee Lewis

Forbidden Fruit: Rickie Lee Jones

Acadian Driftwood: Ray Charles/Willie Nelson/Johnny Cash

Jupiter Hollow: Peter Gabriel/Laurie Anderson/Brian Eno



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Posted by:

Martin

Location: Devon, England

Subject: Covers

how about; Ray Charles singing Life is a Carnival, Adam Duritz singing She Knows, Elliot smith singing Whispering Pines. All would be good interesting covers but none a patch on the originals, The Band!!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Reply to Jamie and Covers

Jamie, I am from Richmond. I don't get to Wolftrap often (check out their website, it's easy to find)due to distance (I travel the country for my job but that 2-1/2 hour drive to Northern VA is a cramp!)Just saw BB King there last night and what a show! So, my contribution to the dream covers of Band material would be BB King doing Ophelia. His voice and guitar would really fit the song. It was also moving to see him bring two of his daughters and grandson on stage at the end of the show; they happen to live nearby. How can I be both a fan of The Band and Tull? Good question, as on the surface they do not have much in common. I got into each during different musical phases and never looked back. What do they have in common? hmmm. Both have small but intensely loyal and devoted fans. Both flirted with commercial success chartwise but neither achieved Rolling Stones or Britney Spears commercial success. Both occupy an artistic niche that few others can really copy. Both write songs that require the listener to have a, for lack of a better term, more worldly views and experiences. Both have eclectic styles, etc. There are just as many differences of course, but I think both the Band and Tull are like an onion. There are layers upon layers to peel away in their respective music which allows me as a fan to never get tired of either.


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Posted by:

Jack Of Hearts

Subject: Female Posters

Rick talked about the women on the road in TLW so let's talk about the female posters in the Band Guest Book.


Entered at Mon Aug 26 19:01:01 CEST 2002 from (80.84.130.132)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Subject: To Susan from illinois - Additive comment

To underline why we prefer The Band

A friend of mine (Arab, male, 38 years) who saw the band for the first time in 'the last waltz', of course, told me:

They are the kind of guys that everybody hope to have for companions


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Crabby's photos/Covers

You did it again Crabby! Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful photos from the Blues Cruise! Levon, as always, looks terrific, and your shots of the NY skyline should be postcards. Job well done!

I'm really enjoying reading everyone's picks for Band covers. Some of them would really be amazing to actually hear. The only one I'd like to add (and I've said it many times before) would be Adam Duritz doing "It Makes No Difference".

Have a good day everyone.Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Even More Covers

Snooks Eaglin – Look Out Cleveland
David Johansen – Orange Juice Blues
Robert Cray – Knockin’ Lost John
Peter Stampfel – Ruben Remus
Frederick Knight – We Can Talk
Allen Toussaint – Islands
Irma Thomas – Lonesome Suzie
Ronnie Hawkins (w/Booker T. & the M.G.’s) – Chest Fever
Clarence Carter – Rag Mama Rag
Lil’ Band o’ Gold – Time to Kill
The Mekons – The Saga of Pepote Rouge
Hasil Adkins – Strawberry Wine
Toots Hibbert – Where Do We Go from Here
Latin Playboys – Acadian Driftwood
Ray Davies – All La Glory.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: The Crabster

What would I do without you???? You always give me perfect glimpses of my favorite drummer. Every shot was wonderful. You are truly gifted. Thanks a million! I am happy that it was such a special night for you.


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Posted by:

To a dear friend

Even when things change, the caring doesn't stop. Friendship is the foundation, and it's all that matters in the long run. It's stong and very real. Embrace the laughter and the good things, let the rest go. I care about you and always will. I'm sorry and I miss you. With love ~


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Crabby's Pix

Great shots Crabby. So sorry I couldn't be there.

P.S. If that's who I think it is I'm on my way to Tower records to start my Lou Reed collection!!

;)


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Crabby... Awesome pics!!!


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Posted by:

Vitor Bernardes

Location: Brasil

Subject: Bought the Classic Albums DVD

Hey everyone,

I did it. To hell with the price, I had to buy that DVD. And I still don't own the brown album...

I spent the whole weekend watching and rewatching the video, and I am in awe until now. Those guys are nothing less than geniuses. Levon has been confirmed as my favorite guy (this is quite a tough choice, btw), I just love the passion he seems to have for music. He seems to breathe music. And my favorite bit of the video so far is Levon & Simon showing the different tracks on "Rag Mama Rag".

Thanks to everyone who replied to my original post here! And I can't wait to put my hands on "The Band" album... Vitor


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Posted by:

butch

Location: chester burnett's house

Subject: the WOLF

for two days, HOWLIN WOLF lived,,,,,

THE GREAT HUBERT SUMLIN, Levon Helm, Jimmy V, Mike Merritt, & the wonderful Davey Jo,, david johansen ,,,,, brought the music & legacy of Howlin Wolf to life !!!!!!

With David JO growlin & prancin like the wolf,, just lettin his love for the blues come thru,, he was shakin & bakin all night (s) long,,,he was the front of the band,, the mc, but with jimmy v, ya dont get the mike to yoself,,,

of course, " our hero " Levon, was grinnin like a racoon with an ear of corn,,he was soooooo happy playin with Hubert again,, they are truly soulbrothers,, & with Jimmy Vivino, it was pure music,,,

mike & levon got into their groove & that solid bottom never wavered,,,,

Hubert was scorchin',, better than ive heard him in a long time,,,rippin out little leads that built into soulful wails,,, & groovin rhythms when vivino took the front,,,

Davey jo had the crowd eatin out of his hand with his pure channelling of Chester Burnett,,, & all those johansen things that make him such a NYC favorite,,,

of course,, the gaping hole in lower manhattan put a damper on the cruise, last year we had the TOWERS,,, now , we had LADY LIBERTY, lighting the way,, she was as beautiful as ever,,, as we sailed by her,, everyone took a minute ( or 10 ) to reflect,, it was sobering,,,,,,

& it was inspiring to see that good ol RED , WHITE, & BLUE, shining on the Empire State Building,,,,

Bless this land & her people,,,

all in all, tho, it was a wonderful night , ( as was the next night in asbury park, )

the blues are alive & well, The Wolf is still a powerful force in music, Levon, Hubert, Jimmy Mike & David are incredible musicians,,,

& there will always be one loser who has to sneak in a video camera & disrespect the wishes of the musicians & film then,, watta loser,,,,,

but the night was a winner,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crabby's Pics

I'm lovin' Crabby's Pics from the Blues Cruise and am full of envy. Levon looks like he's having a blast. One of the things that I would have like to have heard from that band is David Johansen. I now have both of the Harry Smith CD's and he is frigin' great!! Makes me forget he's had other reincarnations over the years all together. He has found his voice in The Blues!


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: New Thoughts

I would also like to hear P. D. Heaton (of the Housemartins and Beautiful South) sing I Shall Be Released. Also I can see Sheryl Crow doing This Wheel's on Fire. Aretha could do Whispering Pines beautifully in a low register, the Kentucky Headhunters could do a country fried Jemima Surrender, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers could get creative with Chest Fever. Too many big names?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: more covers

Tom Jones on Volcano was a great one. How about:

Blind Boys of Alabama: I Shall be Released

Aaron Neville: really any Richard song, but let's say 'Whispering Pines'

Taj Mahal: Daniel & the Sacred Harp


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Location: Ohio

Subject: Covers

So many interesting ideas. All I can think of is Bonnie Raitt doing Orange Juice Blues, because her voice is so good for those I'm fed up with you bluesy songs, and maybe she'd put in some cool sliding.

Going the opposite way, I was listening to Bruce's Tunnel of Love the other day, and I was thinking how well Rick could have sung many of the songs.


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Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: calcutta

Great photos by Crabby !!! Check 'em out @ Updates.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

"Luu_si_anna Lou..and Three-Card Monty John...Oh Boy, What a Natural pair...Lookin' for a game.." See now, Hank's impressed me!

Speakin' of Louisiana... Anybody in here listen to Zack Richard? I love him..


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Posted by:

JQ

And spell check for me & mine


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: insired

Hey Bayou Sam - Jerry Reed is an inspired choice, we should find a song for JJ Cale in there somwewhere too.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Waaaaaaay TOO MUCH Time on my Hands

Stompin' Tom Connors with Great Big Sea: Acadian Driftwood

Ian Anderson (& his flute only): Lonesome Suzie

Ray Charles, BB King & Taj Mahal: We Can Talk


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Texas Hustlin' Billy.... Lord, he's on the road again

.....he was seen in New Orleans the other day........

Aw, shucks......Thanks Amanda!......

The Band song I'd cover is "Katies Been Gone"........That song is due a revival somewhere, somehow by someone.....

There's a song by The Allman Brothers called "Louisana Lou and Three Card Monty John"....surely y'all have heard it, all you Allman heads out there.....I absolutely LOVE that song......the song, the story, the groove, the playing.......but you never hear it like you do, say, "Blue Sky" or "Ramblin' Man" and it's a Dickey Betts song, I'm certain, in the tradtion of both those songs........It's a story song and I can see it all.....like "Lily, Rosemary and The Jack of Hearts" or "Mexacali Blues" or "The Weight"........There's two drum-kits on it (natch) and you can really hear them bouncing off each other.......anyone got any more suss on this tune? I know it's from an album called "Win, Lose or Draw" but do they still play it live?....have they EVER played it live?........How do Allman heads rate this song overall?

Wow! I've been accused of being a Jihad supporter...... here in The GB......by someone too cowardly to print their own name......well, THAT figures........don't be a scaredy cat chicken, Mullah Omar......If you REALLY believe in what you write, be brave enuff to let us know who you are........

In this paragragh space, I just spent the best part of an hour writing..... answering Mr Omar.......But y'know what??...... what I wrote in reply just got too silly for even ME......so I erased it....("hooray" sez you!)

All I can say is........ Beware of Darkness......


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: On the Road in the Beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of Old Virginny

Subject: Into the Music

I'm here in the birthplace of Appalachian string music and happy to see that the talk has returned to music here. I assume that the "Dutch" who kept sending test messages was some emissary of Ronald Reagan, excited by a forum where Jimmy Carter can be called a "Communist" (I guess building houses for poor people warrants that). It's funny that Jimmy was patriotic enough to actually serve America in the armed forces, rather than just pretend to do so in mediocre movies.

Anyway, I saw that Elvis Costello "Musicians" program on Bravo this weekend and it was excellent. I wish that TRIBUTE TO THE BAND collection really existed, but I suppose it's like trying to cover songs by the Beatles or Beach Boys--the artist doing the new version has nowhere to go but down...


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Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: TRIBUTE CD

MAYBE REACHING A LITTLE ON SOME BUT HERE IT IS ALL LA GLORY - VAN MORRISON - CHRISTMAS MUST BE TONIGHT - JON BON JOVI - DANIEL & THE SACRED HARP - ALLISON KRAUSS - DON'T DO IT - DELBERT MCCLINTON - GET UP JAKE - JOHN HIATT - I SHALL BE RELAEASED - NATALIE MERCHANT - IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE - ROB THOMAS - KING HARVEST - JOHN MELLENCAMP - THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN - CHARLIE DANIELS - OPHELIA - ELVIS COSTELLO - RAG MAMA RAG - TOM WAITS - RIGHT AS RAIN - STEVIE WONDER - THE RIVER HYMN - BRUCE HORNSBY - THE RUMOR - STEVE EARLE - THE SHAPE I'M IN - GEORGE THOROGOOD - STAGE FRIGHT - NEIL YOUNG - UNFAITHFUL SERVANT - CAROLE KING - UP ON CRIPPLE CREEK - ROLLING STONES - THE WEIGHT - ARETHA FRANKLIN, ETTA JAMES, MARIA MULDAUR - OK, LET ME HAVE IT. KJB


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Currently Chicago but born and bred in West Henrietta, NY

Subject: Doesn't CNN have a F'ing guestbook

Right On Viney!

I was thinking of Van Morrison on "Lonesome Suzie"

Waits could do a great "Tears of Rage"

Springsteen and The E Street band should do "Chest Fever"

Wilco - "Jawbone"

John Hiatt - "Ophelia"

Chrissy Hynde - "It Makes No Difference"

Levon Helm and The Barnburners - "Long Distance Operator"

Bob Dylan - "Look Out Cleveland"

Once ya start ya just can't stop.....

A big old hello to Butch...Hope everything is going well. Love to see you men back out in the windy city some time, you all are going to force me to move back east. Say hey to the boss.

John Cass: I've seen The Allman Brothers Band a handful of times this summer. Always excellent. Warren and Derek sound terrific together. Saw them at the Chicago Theatre and saw them open for Phil Lesh and Friends at Summerfest. in Milwaukee. Great shows.

Paracute Lady: I always thought Rick and Robbie were talking about the impending storm. Anyone else?



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Posted by:

Jeff

Location: Brooklyn still

Bayou Sam, I agree that Jerry Reed is perfect for "Rag Mama Rag". Johnny Cash might do a killer version as well. As may Dave Alvin. For that matter, Dave Alvin probably could do alot with quite a few Band numbers. I hate to sound like a close minded S.O.B., but I doubt that any artist can improve on The Band's material. Which is not to say that someone may not do great cover versions. But I think the concept of tribute albums has gotten kind of out of hand in recent years. Is it possible that that has a relation to the scarcity of excellent new material?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: the deep south....ern part of New York

Thanks Peter for putting the train back on the tracks.

J Tull = you mentioned Brian Wilson and the piano. One of the legendary Brian stories is when he had a piano put in a giant sand box in his house so he could get the feel of the beach when he wrote. I guess it worked.

How about Simon and Garfunkel doing "It Makes No Difference", with Artie on lead vocal.

Jerry Reed = "Rag Mama Rag."


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Posted by:

Ken Smith (usmc4u2c@aol.com)

Location: St Augustine Florida

Subject: Snaz

Bought "Snaz in 1981 while in Japan, one of my all time favorite live albums. Didnt realize i would not be able to get another copy so i sold it back in the mid 80s. Of course i had it on reel 2 reel, and cassette, which have gone bad over the years. Can anyone, please help my aquire (one way or the other) this great live album. I would appreciate any assitance.


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Posted by:

Fred

Ryan Adams: Time To Kill

Delbert McClinton: Rag Mama Rag or Ophelia

Blue Rodeo: This Wheel's On Fire

Taj Mahal(because he always seems to be on these type of things): The W.S. Walcot Medicine Show

Chumbawamba (hey why not): The Shape I'm In~2002 anarchic dance remix version

Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros: Look Out Cleveland

Tom Jones: Volcano

Tony Bennett (with Garth on accordion): When I Paint My Masterpiece

Robert Plant:Jemima Surrender

I took the UNCUT approach to this hence some of the "unusual" choices...and hey shouldn't a tribute CD have some different angles to it?!?!


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Posted by:

DUTCH

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Posted by:

DUTCH

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Posted by:

bonnie

Location: Na Va

Subject: radio

Tommorrow NPR's Morning Edition will do a feature on Helena,AK. and its blues tradition . BR


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Posted by:

bassmanlee, again

Subject: one more

Richard Thompson does This Wheels On Fire.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: tribute album

Joe, fabulous list! Just as I was trying to figure out which song fit Mr. Hiatt, I was thinking Emmylou for Daniel, but I think maybe she'd do Acadian Driftwood.

Adam Duritz and Counting Crows for Pepote Rouge?

Shawn Colvin does It Makes No Difference with one of those spooky John Levinthal arrangements?

Al Green does Up On Cripple Creek.

Sorry Jamie, I can't hear Sting doing anything by the Band. Except maybe Forbidden Fruit? He could swing that up a bit.

Elvis Costello (with the Attactions) tear through Shape I'm In in about 3:00 flat in their early style. Then he returns with the Dirty Dozen to do Ophelia.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Amanda

Thanks Amanda. Fascinating article. His last two albums are truly amazing as is the man himself. 'Elderly' artistic progression possibly unequalled in popular music's legacy?

Yeah I think Bruce could do as much justice to Levon's vocals as Levon did to Bruce's Atlantic City.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Lonesome Day Blues

Joe: Sorry...I didn't clarify myself. That was a mix of old lyrics with new. The tradition in which Dylan had used old songs from other writers to create his own masterpieces. I got them from an article. http://www.heresj.com/stories/0318_dylan.html

BTW: I do think Springsteen on "All La Glory" would be lovely.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Band covers

Sorry - guess they're all superstars. Still eh, what the hell.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Band covers

Randy Newman on 'Across the Great Divide'

Michael Stipe on 'Just another Whistle Stop'

Bruce Springsteen [solo] on 'All la Glory'

Bruce and East Street Band on 'Look out Cleveland'

Tom Waits on 'Lonesome Suzie'

John Hiatt on 'Daniel and the Sacred Harp'


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: delicate ground now

PV - The lady's (the perp?) take on Long Black Veil sounds interesting. I think I'm treading on sacred ground here now, but what about Linda Thompson as one of a 3 part on I Shall Be Released with Mavis Staples and Mary Coughlin - I hear she's off the jar and back singing now. It's impossible to choose the "best" 3 gals, I'm suggesting something disinctive that might still blend well. Although I would hate to take responsibility for any outcome of a cover of this song. Remember I'm one of them self-congratulating & lazy guys that whats-his-name referred to earlier.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Amanda and Lonesome Day Blues

Just wonderin if you've got the same Love and Theft CD as I have? Just that the lyrics of Lonesome Day Blues seem to have moved on a fair bit from my copy.


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Posted by:

BPT

Web: My link

Subject: Band Traders Digest

Thought some of you would like to know about Bandtrades, a email list digest dedicated to the free trade of Band music on CD-R and DAT. Been operational for about a month and already 120 folks signed up. Check out our link. Thanks. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bandtrades/


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Van

Susan - I had the same thought about Van. Something, but what? I think it'd have to be a medley going from 'The Rumor' into his own 'New Biography' then into 'Why Must I always Explain?'


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Algeria

Subject: To Susan from Illinois

I have already bought and listened the triple-album when I saw 'the last waltz' its launching day in summer 1978, while the planet was toeing the line for 'Saturday night fever'. Recently, I reviewed the movie during the civil war. So, I am at the same time an old and a new fan. I rediscovered that the athmosphere of the film is magic, the conjunction of the talent of Scorsese and the spirit of the band members embodies a way of living (not of life) of a marvelous period.

However, I sincerly believe that there is a Robbie Robertson for each generation.

As a justification to how is it possible to find The band fans in far differently cultured countries, here is an african proverb

'A HOUSE OWNS A COCK, BUT THE VILLAGE OWNS ITS VOICE'


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: covers

I want to hear Solomon Burke do "In A Station" with a bit of church-organ backing. The resident guitar player suggests "Life Is A Carnival" done by the Black Crowes. I'm not too sure about that myself. Gotta have Van Morrison do something, but what?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: TLW

The DVD is the overdubbed version, but it has been radically remixed. Robbie's guitar is lower in the mix, Garth is higher, IMO.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: covers

Damn. Solomon Burke's a good one, but I was saving 'Long Black Veil' for Linda Thompson exactly in the style of her new album (backed by Teddy, Richard & Danny) except that she'd do the lyrics to the answer disc, 'My Long Black Veil'. A nice different touch.

Nice ones, Jamie, especially as we have the music on the site to enable the surviving Doors to fathom out the chords!


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Posted by:

DUTCH

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Posted by:

Amanda

I was going to disguise myself as BWNWIT's Ex-Wife, but decided against it.

Cheer up....Make somebody happy!!


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Bob Dylan & Hank

I had forgotten that Love and Theft was released on September 11th last year. Listen to "Sad and Lonesome Day Blues":

"Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Waiting for the wind to blow the dust away. Towers of gold, standing in the sky, Towers of gold, standing in the sky, Don't look up unless you want to cry. Bombs in the desert, crying on the hill, Bombs in the desert, crying on the hill, Dog eat dog, gotta find somebody to kill. Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Waiting for the rain to wash the blood away. The wind was whispering, tried to tell what it was, The wind was whispering, tried to tell what it was, They say it's blowin' in the wind, but it never does. Gonna stand on the water, tell you what I know Gonna stand on the water, tell you what I know, If you want to make peace, you can't do it alone. Today has been a sad and lonesome day Today has been a sad and lonesome day The masters of war always make somebody pay."

Bob can be very creepy at times. I think we are all angry and frustrated and powerless. Robin Hood, Peter Pan, where art thou? If it was only that simple.

I'm not in the mood for any Band cover songs, unless Hank decides to do a Band tribute cd.


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: deep left centerfield

Subject: something about music

Say, not to change the subject here, but I do have the impertinence to ask the following question:

Having read here about overdubs on The Last Waltz, does the new DVD version represent the actual performances? Is the current release "overdub free"? Perhaps those of you who are intimate with your Complete Last Waltz can comment on how many, if any, of the songs still contain overbubs.

It seems to me that I notice some slight differences between the DVD and the previous incarnations of the The Last Waltz, and thus inquiring minds need to know...


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Posted by:

DUTCH

Subject: test

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Posted by:

Jamie

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Many things

Ok, Peter....Joe Jackson, backed up by the remaining 3 of The Doors on "Chest Fever" (how many superstars is that?). Jimmy Cliff on "Twilight." How about Sting jazzing up "Unfaithful Servent?" And if The Stones do "Jemima," Keith can stay onstage with Charlie, Darryl, & Ron and they can do "The Shape I'm In."

New Fan...stick around and tell us what you like. I'm 21 & and I've been into The Band for a long time now. So much more than The Last Waltz. I've noticed my friends enjoy Stage Fright (but hopefully you own it already}.

Tull Fan...how exactly does one become a diehard fan of The Band and Jethro Tull? Also, I always hear you talking about Wolftrap...where do you live & did you catch Levon in Annapolis a few weeks ago?

"You should've seen the Atlantic Ocean back then..."


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Posted by:

Jamie

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Elvis

Just saw an episode of "Musicians" on Bravo with Elvis Costello. Early in the interview Elvis was discussing his musical influences during his early 20's. He said that Van Morrison was important being from Belfast, and that The Band were huge influences at the time. He said "nobody could sing like Levon Helm, nobody could imitate that voice...but I wanted to sing like Rick Danko and Richard Manuel." Made me smile on this beautiful Sunday.

"OK, Mr. Biegler, you've got your panties in evidence now."


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: great covers

Mr Viney - How about Solomon Burke, with just Garth backing on Long Black Veil? Unless you could somehow bring Rick's high harmony into it for the refrain.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Band (just for a change)

British film critic Barry Norman recounts hearing John Wayne speak in Europe. He called everyone he could “a communist” and the audience assumed he was joking / sending himself up. Unfortunately he wasn’t and did not appreciate the peals of laughter he provoked. But it WAS laughable. The McCarthy era was 40 years ago. When people start throwing the word around (pinko is another) I almost get to the point of going out and buying Pete Seeger records. At least I start to understand why so many leapt to his defence! I typed out the manifesto of the POBYH party, looked at it, and thought, ‘Fair enough, but what about The Band?” So in the interests of getting music back on the agenda, let’s revive a well-worn thread (done at least twice). Imagine a Band tribute album. There are two paths.

One is to collect existing covers. That probably means including Joan Baez’s “Dixie” for historical reasons. Also Cassandra Wilson’s “The Weight” because it’s a very unusual take.

The other is the House of Blues / Uncut cover album tribute which is nearly all new recordings. Last time we did this there were some inspired suggestions – such as The Rolling Stones on Jemima Surrender and Paul McCartney on It Makes No Difference. Neither of those was a practical choice. These sort of tributes have almost obligatory contributors, and one who steps forward every time is Ani de Franco because she does something unexpected with the songs. So to start the ball rolling, track one is Ani di Franco on “King Harvest” done very slowly indeed. Continue? No more than one superstar in any list!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The Mighty Quinn

BINGO! Thank-you for saying so much in so few words. That is why I support lower taxes and smaller government: It can't be reformed so the best solution is to minimize its' corrupting influences by keeping it as small as reasonably possible. I support a large and strong military, but if congress was 100% republican we would have billions of dollars worth of weapon systems that don't work and are not needed, and if congress were 100% democratic you would have billions wasted on highways that go nowhere and regulatory boards that do nothing but create paperwork. PANAMA CANAL: A great technical and commercial achievement, but neither a proud moment in its' creation (Teddy Roosevelt created Panama by fomenting revolution and separating it from Columbia)or in how we gave it away. Another plague on both houses. DAVE in MN: Thanks for the plug. The drums on Locomotive Breath are actually Ian on bongos. For me, I am off to the BB King Blues Fest. at Wolftrap in Northern VA tonight. Y'all behave yourselves!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: My Apologies to All.., and one final note

I like a good political discourse and certainly don't mind it in the GB, usually because it acts as a buffer between musical subject matters when things get to the slow side. I just want to apologize for continuing/antagonizig this circular debate that has no finish line.

SO one last note before I impose my own political silence for a while.., Carter may be an honorable man, with honorable intentions, but he was a weak leader, and a weaker legislator. He embraced the Shah to the last moment. Never took seriously reports of the Kohmeni movement because he niavely believed the Iranian people would never stand for an Islamic regime. He miscalculated so many things that unfortunatley, this man of a good heart, and wonderful intentions, will go down as possibly the worst president of the 20th century. Well maybe Harding or Hoover get the worst tag but he's right there. Carter's other flaw, he knew nothing of solid teamwork, didn't trust his advisors (he was an outsider in the Washington circle) and alienated his own party. A recipe that doesn't make for a successful presidency.

Thank you for your time and patience.., until later.


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Posted by:

rollie

Hail the Mighty Quinn!


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Posted by:

Quinn the Esquimo

Location: Maryland

Subject: Talking Politics

You people arguing politics have got to remember this: Socialists are into redistribution of wealth. All of our Politicians, Democrats and Republicans, are socialists. The Democrats redistribute wealth to the Democrats that vote for them: union members, teachers, social workers, etc. The Republicans redistribute wealth to the Republicans that vote for them: soldiers, defense contractors, businessmen, etc. In the end, the Issues are just the mechanism for the redistribution. The redistribution is just the mechanism for votes that allow them to stay in office. Staying in office is the mechanism by which the Politicians accrue personal wealth. Always been that way, and it will always remain that way. So you can argue the Issues until the cows come home and it just doesn’t matter, because the Politicians really don’t care about the Issues - they are a means to an end.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Gaia

Subject: Welcome to Johannesburg

USA, will you join us the Earth people and welcome to Johannesburg! Living on this suffering planet isn' t a solo project....


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Posted by:

R.P.R.

Location: RainCity

Subject: The Hororable Jimmy Carter

...Must not forget the most honorable acts of Jimmy. Nope! Never forget how he gave the Panama Canal(which America built and paid for) to one of his favorite dictators, who in turn sold it to Communist Red China. Thanks to that little nifty act the red chinese now control both the Atlantic and Pacific ports, thanks to a little non-voided legislation on the part of his "punk buddy" Bill Clinton!

And what about those Hungry North Koreans! This Stalinistic nation is headed by a nutball named Kim Jong-Il, a fella who gets himself all worked up by watching films like "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and then taking out his twisted fantasies on his own people. Millions of North Koreans are starving at any given moment and the Champion of Human Rights Jimmy Carter, upon meeting with this Jong-Il, kissed him! No criticism, just a big old sloppy kiss!

Remember Carter's Human Rights program? Where he demanded the Shah of Iran to step down and turn power over to the Ayatollah Khomeini. No matter that Khomeini was a madman, Carter had the pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders to back off and not fight. The Shah's military listened to Carter, The entire 150 of them were murdered in one of the Ayatollah's first gigs! With The Shah gone, the whole region was dee-stabilized. yep...The Soviet Union invaded Afganistan, a di-rect link to the rise of the Taliban can be traced to this invasion. Iraq took advantage of the Shah's departure to invade Iran. The war that followed clearly helped make Saddam's Iraq a great middle Eastern power. Decades later, Iran is still hell-bent on destroying America. Axis of evil incorporated !

This Jimmy Carter was and still is, A Fool! A Communist, a Brown-Noser, a Dupe, a Pawn. A Mark they can count on! He's kissed the ass of ever dictator I can think of....and if Hitler was still alive, Carter'd be over there kissing Adolph's ass too! And How Bout that Castro? I can't get that picture of Carter and Leonid Brezhnev out of my head..excuse me while I go and puke!.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Sorry Brain Sz, but I DON'T apoligize for pointing out you misrepresented a key part of the book you disagree with. Woodward, who I am something less than a great fan of; mearly speculated that letting Tricky escape the courts, after committing felonys, signaled future Presidents they were above the law, possibly including Clinton. It's rather simplistic, but that's his take; and he portrays "quick and strong" Jerry Ford as so much of a bozo he becomes embarresed to be in the same room with him. Of course, to the white right, who are seldom called into account for anything, it was "quick and strong." For justice, is was cheap, reeked of conflict of interest, and was a TRUELY corrupt pardon, and it blatently served the interests of Ford's party over the intrests of the Nation. Thank God, with the help of The Band, this loser was sent packing and the honorable Jimmy Carter basicly introduced the concept of Human Rights to our political diologue.


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Newfan, Vitor, and all you other lurkers who've just dicovered the Band through the re-release of The Last Waltz:

Tell us what you liked and why you liked it. That will generate some real discussion here. These people are intelligent, articulate, and have a lot to say about the Band if they can get on topic. New voices are sometimes needed as an excuse to cover old ground again, and sometimes find fresh ways to look at old topics.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Marsen... you're real close to where God vacations in late Sept... early Oct... email me at dlzuck@zucks.com sometime... and I'll reply with a picture scan... take care...

Misc ramblings... listened to Locomotive Breath today... has sorta Band feel at times... and I'm re-reading Levon's book a couple of years later... reads real nice... I'm on p. 144... and I can't believe all the new stuff I'm picking up... I also read some of the recently posted Garth interviews... great stuff... and found another one after doing a search on London, Ont... I'm daydreaming and painting today... gotta gooooooo...


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: correctin' speln'

I just noticed tha Hitch spells his name with and "e" . He is one of your boys ya know, check him out! The only one here today I agree with is the terrorist guy, altho I think he's a little off on the head count. There's no reason to attack us boy, as you can plainly see, we've done the work for ya! Americans are such candy-asses. And by the way.. Here's a dozen of long stemmed roses to stick down those big ol' bombs you got aimed at us. "Make Love...Not War"


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Posted by:

Bill Glasspool

Location: DeQuincy, Louisiana
Web: My link

Subject: Bessie

You guys have given us untold hours of pleasure with your music. Hearing Levon's country voice a sangin, sounds just like home folks. You would have to have lived to understand it! Thanks for all the good music through the years.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Books

Say, Have you read Chris Hitchins' book on the Clinton's called "No One Left To Lie To". Now there's a lefty lookin' out of his right eye. (and he writes for the "Nation" too).


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Ray & Environment

I did check out the Observer's article Ray -- thanks. While I think there are some good points about the planets fish populations -- I don't give much credibility to the other content -- the WWF's (article's basis) agenda is pretty clear I think, and I wouldn't rely on it as scientific information.

We could obviously go on and on about this subject but here are a few quick things: 1) When comparing consumption between countries, adjustment should be made for GDP levels. 2) Predictions like these rarely account for technical innovation and market forces 3) Look up predictions from the 70's about what the current stock of natural resources was supposed to be - and don't forget that there was strong belief that another Ice Age was coming in the 70s -- now of course it is a global warming theory.

I couldn't agree with you more on the AIDs crisis in Africa though -- it is absolutely terrible and there is definite need for the of US and others to rethink priorites.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: NJ
Web: My link

Subject: It is a Full Moon isn't it!

Amazing how we can read the same material and interpret it differently (see the Bible, Koran and Torah as examples). I thought Fords reasoning for pardoning Nixon was right on. It was the only way to move forward. Just get the disaster over with and move on. It was a decision made quickly and strongly. That's what I ask of my leaders, whether i agree with them or not - they make the tough calls and let wanks like us (and Ben) second guess them to death. Ben I'm sorry my 20 word book report on "Shadows" didn't get your approval:( I simply put it out there as a source for others to derive what they may think. My take was, for all the money spent on SP's, what has it done, nothing. Sorry the US people dumb down Ben and vote republican once in a while. Geez, what nice things do you have to say about Lincoln..,You did know he was a Republican, right?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: just a thought (politics, move on if you wish)

I consider myself conservative, not Conservative, just as there is liberal, and not Liberal. The differentiation is the lowercase letter being a philosophy, and not identification with a political group or movement. You can be a conscientous liberal without being sullied by the actions of a Liberal politician or group, just as you can be a conscientous conservative without being part of the Radical Right. A very important disinction, I think. My sun does not rise or shine with G.W. Bush no more than a thinking liberals does with Clinton or Jesse Jackson.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: However...

to remind everyone why we're here, a little something I've never seen before:

http://bobsboots.com/CDs/g-18i.JPG


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: POBYH

As is documented rather deeply in Blinded By The Right, the far right's attack on Clinton was/is scurrilous. My position as a POBYH is based strictly on Al Gore's poor campaign and silly promises--even though he did win. And it was both parties that deregulated energy trading. And it was both parties that loosened regulations on CPA's.


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Posted by:

DUTCH

Subject: test

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Posted by:

DUTCH

Subject: test

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

The rather self congradulatory "plauge on both their houses" take is simply lazy, and one should understand the obvious nature of reality;that the press and right wing nutcases who harrassed the Clinton White House with nonsense for eight years, whatever your feelings about Clinton, made the world a more dangerous place, and should be called into account for their actions in the context of 9-11.

Bassmanlee, do you include in your list of things Clinton "handed" his critics, oh, say... Whitewater? The Murder of Vince Foster? Travelgate? Filegate? The selling of cematary plots at Arlington? Sorry for "ranting" my uniformed friend, but all of these were false accusations, things Clinton was cleared for by the first, honest SP, that Starr and Ray (with the help of the Press) kept going for 8 years. Many of the sex scandels were propeled by the original State Trooper scandel were false claims were made by paid witnesses ("well," we were told assesing Paula, "He DOES have a record for this sort of thing...")Then of course, there's the possibly justifyable flack for White House sleepovers. Funny, that doesn't seem to qualify as wrongdoning anymore. It's almost as if a new standard was invented by the "left wing media" for the Clintons. What a shock. I suggest you do some research into some of this Bassman, because you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

The drawn out Iron Contra investigations were about something serious, and real crimes were committed that Bush Sr. had to pardon his cronies over. To put it simply, I would challenge any "Plauge on both your housers" to compare Watergate, Iran Contra, and the Starr investigations. If you can remain a "Plauger" after that, I would never darken your door with logic or reason again. Brain Sz, by the way, mangles the point of "Shadows", which strongly implys Presidentail abuse contiuned after Nixon because dim bulb Ford let Nixon walk. But I would strongly suggest anyone read the book and judge for themselves.


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Posted by:

DUTCH

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: bassmanlee

Thank you for your last post, one of the best I've seen lately.


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Posted by:

DUTCH

Subject: Test

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Posted by:

DUTCH

Subject: test

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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: The Cal Gov thing

Mr Viney gets it right again. The POBYH is spot on. It seems that one cannot critize Bush without having Clinton's cock-ups brought into it. I think it's a viable view that both of them are craphounds, but we should be able to deal with the present problem as the more urgent. Bush was down here last night stumping (humping?) for the GOP's governor candidate Simon, whose company was (just, June I think) convicted of gross fraud and fined $78 million. So here's Bush, hand-in-hand with this crook, while moaning on about corporate corruption. Clinton's era aside for a moment, Bush #2 isn't a speck of the world leader #1 was, and #1 was no great bargain. That's it, no mas from the South.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: RCO Allstars Party...

Paul Godfrey: No, I was not at Levon's for the RCO Allstars party. I DO remember driving by it...they had a blimp or balloon or something. However I do have a tape of the party...the jams etc. It was quite an event!!

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Watch the membership tag

I'm not comfortable being tagged a sympathizer, Omar. I try to make it a point to understand other cultures, religious and political beliefs but to put me into the sympathetic jihad category (no matter how tongue and cheek you are being)I'm not sure I'm the bedfellow you might believe I am.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Good Company/Copenhagen

Tull: What can I say? I was so absolutely awe struck to be mentioned in the same sentence as you that I had a momentary loss of reason and forgot to post it. So sorry! :-)
And yes, that was me who mentioned how "Wonderful Copenhagen" and TLW theme sound very much alike. Don't you just hate when you get a tune into your head and you can't get rid of it? Consider yourself lucky however that it's only the very beautiful "Copenhagen" that's playing in yours. I've had the very annoying "Sponge Bob Square Pants" theme song in mine for weeks now, thanks to a co-worker who sings it to me everyday. Arrghhh! :-)

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Piano and TLW Waltz thread

Was it Lil? In any case, whomever said the TLW Suite is similar to 'Wonderful Copenhagen', thanks a lot! I can't get that out of me head now. I used to have to sing it in grammar school music class, and it IS similar. Can't fault Robbie on that, however. If you set out to write a waltz, especially for the first time, how can you end up with a result that is NOT derivative? On the piano thread, what about Brian Wilson, best known for his bass playing originally? I recall footage of him writing Surf's Up on piano.


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Posted by:

Len Capon

Location: California, USA
Web: My link

Subject: Real Rock Babes

We love this site.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I was just out at an electronics/music store called "The Wiz that's in the process of going belly-up. I was looking at CD's, and my wife, with our two-year old son, was elsewhere in the CD section. When she came over to me with my little guy sitting in a shopping cart, we realized that he was holding a CD in his hand that he obviously plucked out of the rack when my wife stopped the cart somewhere. The CD he was holding was The Band's Brown album.......What are the odds. I guess the kid's got good taste. We must be doing something right.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Boston / Hartford shows

Thanks to Bumbles for the info about these Dylan & The Hawks shows which actually have Levon on drums. The quality sounds as bad as the Berkeley shows by your description, but as an historical artifact, it sounds worth seeking out. Looks like it's time for more record fairs. (P.S. This is deliberately back to the music!)


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Posted by:

New Fan

Subject: The Last Waltz

Im 18 years old. A complete different generation then most interested in The Band. The begining of this summer a friend of mine sat me down and put in TLW. I was totally blown away. The Band is the most talented group I have ever had the pleasure to listen to.


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: Hah!

Subject: 9/11

I am happy to bring you news that at long last a book (September 11, 2001: The Big Lie" penned by French investigative reporter Thierry Meyssan) which details the TRUTH about the events of last September disclosing that a military faction of the US government used remote controls to guide the two passenger jets into the Twin Towers and that a US missile crashed into the Pentagon will be soon be available through Amazon.com.

Finally, the FACTS are out!!!!!!!

BTW we extend a warm welcome to new Jihad sympathizer Hank and express appreciation of continued support from vanguard GB Taliban sympathizers jeff Newsom f/k/a Rollie and Brien Sz. I trust you have all received advance copies of this wonderful tome from the French publishers, Les Editions Carnot.

Allah be praised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Reply to Doug

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,750783,00.html

Doug, thank you for the reply and I'll look for the article you mentioned, while rejecting the idea that it (or any report) is unbiased. The above link will take you to the source for my comments, a British paper that hardly qualifies as sensationalistic, as I define it at least.

Another important number that puts things in perspective: 70 million people at risk of dying of AIDS in Africa in the near future. That's right, 70 million, while we worry about Martha Stewart and continue to quarrel about Bill Clinton and talk about how we hate one another for our opinions, and about how somebody we all like hates the "hideous" Hillary Clinton (would it be better if she were "pretty"?)


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: vacation
Web: My link

Subject: politically related...feel free to scroll by...

uh, Humble...that depends...are those African or European swallows?

I guess I have to throw my 2c in here as it is tough to sit in silence while Mr. Pike presents his half-baked arguments (rants) and the smug conservative side of the GB slams his lobs back down his throat. I am basically of the liberal\progressive stripe, and believe me, I look back on the Clinton legacy with a good deal of sadness and disgust. Let's face it, the faction that hounded him for his entire term in office has effectively won. By making the trivial and sensational (Hillary, Whitewater, Monica) the issue rather than allowing discussion of substance, policy, etc. much of the Clinton agenda was forestalled. The continued state of our health care system for instance is a world-class disgrace and one of the biggest failures of the "free market" philosophy. But Bubba certainly handed his foes a whole lotta ammunition.

On the other hand, I find it hard to agree with some of the reactionary rhetoric that Mr. Pike's (and others) comments evoke, like the moron who believes that any discussion or criticism of the current régime and its policies is tantamount to writing a check to Al Quieda. From the age of reason on, my philosophy has been 'My country, right or wrong', but not in the sense that the conservative wing states it. When my country is wrong, it is still my country, and it is my duty and obligation to stand up and SAY that it is wrong. Our current emperor IS naked, boys and girls, no matter how many of you wish to clothe him in your minds. The idiot chimp stutters while leading us into the Apocalypse, his fingers pressed firmly into his ears as he attempts to hear no evil - or any opinions of the allies he naively thinks we have. Stupidity is the real Axis of Evil.

The question was asked, why are the deaths of Sept. 11 seemingly 'more important' than those of Oklahoma City or Columbine? Partly because they are more recent and our society has a short attention span. Yes, partly because of the news media has new soap to sell, and so we move on to the latest crisis. But also because of the external threat vs. the internal threat, and the size and mystery of that threat. We knew there were militia whackos in our country, we just didn't think that they would ever get their act together enough to actually do anything. Oklahoma City took considerable air out of their balloon, and they're still out there, if Sept. 11 hasn't made them totally ineffective. We knew there were disgruntled and alienated teens out there, but again we didn't think they'd turn suicidal tendencies into homicidal ones.

On the other hand, as a society we have our heads in the sand in regards to how we are perceived in this world. Yes, we ARE an empire. We have troops in Asia, Europe, and Africa, and have for most of the last century. We have overwhelming naval and air superiority on a global scale. We can just about read your license plate number or tell you how your garden is growing anywhere on the planet. We have economic clout beyond any other single country, and intentionally or not, our culture has insinuated itself in every corner of the globe. Yet we are blind to the cultures of others, and don't understand how anyone could possibly hold any of this against us, let alone hate us enough to attack us where we live. We forget that we have supported oppressive governments and stepped on other people throughout our history, but the victims of those regimes and those stepped on have not. Collateral damage is when people in other countries die in support of our freedom and foreign policies. There isn’t supposed to be collateral damage in this country. We are outraged! (Of course you could just as well ask why the deaths of Americans and Israelis are 'more important' than those of Palestinians or Afghanis.)

Now, am I not patriotic? I love my country. I actively support citizen lobbying groups. I vote. I stand and sing the National Anthem at every opportunity, and I know the bloody words, too, which seems a rarity these days. The land of the free and the home of the brave is accompanied by a raised left fist. Power to the people, of the people, by the people, and for the people and don't you f*cking forget it! I don’t have the flag plastered all over my car, but then again I didn’t have it sewn onto the seat of my pants in the sixties, either. It saddens me to see that the flag is no longer treated with respect and “patriots” let it stand in the rain, rip itself to shreds at 80 mph, and sit discarded by the side of the road, or stick a plastic one in my front yard with their business card attached. (Yes, really.) But I know full well it is merely a symbol of our Republic, and not a sacred relic. It was old Ollie North who taught us back in the eighties that you could wrap yourself in the flag and burn the Constitution, but don’t you dare wrap yourself in the Constitution and burn the flag!

Our system of government is based on debate and discussion, consensus if possible, and compromise when necessary. It is not based on ‘winner take all’. To function it must rely on the respect for differences of opinion and the acknowledgement of the worth of one's opponents - a concept that is sadly too little recognized in these days of polarity politics. To stifle such debate and discussion in blind obedience, or shouting down any criticism in the name of Patriotism and ongoing 'crisis' signals the end of that system, pure and simple.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell

Thoughtful response welcomed if you can read between the lines...drendall_(at)_fcc_dot_net. Hey, back to the music...


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Posted by:

John D

Thanks everybody........I appreciate the input.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

BTW, to understand BenPike's anger, the assembled here should pick up Blinded By THe Right. Required reading for mods and rockers.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Greenpeace

Ray - Yes there are some environmental challenges ahead -- but the claims in your post are sensational and not based on science (although the two planet thing could be true if you fudge enough numbers this way and that). For you -- and anyone else here -- that wants a straight forward, unbiased, scientific (and economic) account of the current state of environmental affairs - there was an issue of 'The Economist' a couple of months ago that had a excellent special on the state of environmental affairs.


Entered at Sat Aug 24 18:35:56 CEST 2002 from 72.40.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.40.72)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Greenpeace, the legacy of Rick Danko, the legacy of everybody

I don't want this to sound self-righteous. That's a tip off to the fact that it probably will.

As Bob Dylan sang sagely, we live in a political world. Our guestbook isn't exempt.

Right now I've got Live on Breeze Hill in front of me, wondering if the Greenpeace logo means anything these days. Has anyone noticed, just to give a glaring example, that Antarctic glaciers the size of U.S. states have been breaking off and falling into the sea?

Anyone familiar with the predictions that by 2050, this planet will be pretty much uninhabitable?

Or the statistic (yes, from a "liberal" group of scientists, but we'll find out what arguing over labels will get us, sooner than we'd like) showing that if everyone on Earth consumed at the rate of the average American, we'd need at least TWO additional planet Earths to survive. Average Americans: that's me, and it's probably you, too.

Puts things in perspective: I can think about my legacy, we can think about ours, and not worry so much about what we THINK is Clinton's, or Bush's, or Butch's, or Ben Pike's is,

and concentrate on the reality of what's happening to the planet.

And then maybe DO something about it.

It might just "make a difference."


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: great piano story

Yes...yes...the piano thread. Great story from the Beatles Gear book =

..........McCartney recalls a moment when Lennon arrived late at the studio, keen to do some work, only to find some rather stale fellow Beatles running through yet another take of 'Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da'. Lennon did not pick up the guitar, but he strode over to the piano and instantly played what we now recognise as the songs opening notes.

"And we all went, "Fucking hell!'" recalls McCartney, laughing. "I thought we were gonna hit the roof - and that became the total vibe of the song....."

I love that story. It kind of shows the Beatle magic at a time when the band was starting to fall apart.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Politics (then I'll leave it for 6 months!)

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the “plague on both their houses” party. I’m sorry that you ‘hate’ the PBOTH party, Ben. We in the POBTH like to have friends on both sides of the debate because we like to view people as diverse rather than as political animals. In the UK situation, some of my friends are local Labour politicians. My brother-in-law is a local Conservative one. I have no difficulty in breaking bread with both sides. As JTull Fan says, “politics is sideshow bread and circuses.” I admit that the POBTH (Plague on Both Their Houses) party has no solutions to society’s dilemmas – in fact not having solutions is a central plank in our manifesto, but feel that there is a middle way between the “Hang ‘em” and “Hug ‘em” viewpoints. I remain fascinated by comparative political systems. In spite of various relationships at Head of State levels, the Democrats are more akin to the British Conservative party. The Republicans are to the right of anything here. The British Labour party even it its current New Labour guise are to the left of anything in the USA. In Europe, even the right wing parties take socialized medicine as read, and accept graduated taxation as the norm. From a distance the US debate seems to take place within very narrow parameters. Here, the gap between the parties seems to be narrowing rapidly. At the end of the day they’re all “politicians”. I’m not. While I try not to meddle in American politics (in spite of studying it for three years at a younger age) I suggest apathy is a reasonable response to a situation where the choice for so many of us throughout the world is not between ‘good’ and ‘evil’ but between the Reprehensible and the Slightly-less Reprehensible party.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Build to Destroy

"Democracy don't rule The World.....you better get that thru yo head.........

This world is ruled by violence............"

Thank you, Bob Dylan......

Sept. 11 was a well-orchestrated attack on NYC.......planned and designed for maximum impact worldwide.....It's easy to blame JUST Islamic extremists but NOTHING like that goes down without some scoundrel WITHIN knowing what going on........It's almost as if The WTC was BUILT to be a target and destroyed.......Don't forget, Sept. 11 was NOT the first time The WTC was attacked.......

Try to remember what The World was like just BEFORE Sept 11. 2001.........The USA was effectively rent in two in all areas of society: Pro Clinton vs Anti Clinton.........Gore vs Bush......The abortion debate.......Anti-globalisation Riots......White Supremacy....Black Supremacy.....Oklahoma.........The USAs close ally in The Middle East, Israel, was about to be declared racist by a UN council in South Africa.....and we was all getting emails about how nasty them Afghanis were to their women folk and being asked to sign petitions........

Sept. 11th pretty much wiped ALL that stuff out..........In the year since, MOST (not ALL, mind you) folks in the USA are pulling together and acting in a UNITED way and putting petty squabbles and major differences behind them..........

Govts. always wage war on their own people by letting the enemy in.....it's a gamble....but if it works, it strengthens society, boosts technology and gives the Govt. a chance to go after and nail those who they consider dissidents.........plain and simple..............AND now that all the mountains of Afghanistan have been charted and broken down by intensive bombing and invasion.......there's work in them thar hills and who-knows-what rich mineral deposits to go after.........

.....but I guess that's better left unsaid, eh?


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Posted by:

A Humble Worker

Location: The salt of the earth

Subject: Ornothology observations

It's a simple question of weight ratios: a five ounce swallow could not carry a one pound coconut. Not even TWO swallows, with a strand of creeper held under the dorsal guiding feathers, could do it.

So the question remains: where did King Arthur get the two halves of coconut? Like trying to figure out why some Band members feel the way they do about certain matters, some questions will go forever unanswered.


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Posted by:

Marsen

Location: N. Minnesota

Greetings to all! As a long time lurker, this GB is as essential to Me as My morning coffee. Even though many of us haven't met in person, we feel like were in a community of friends. It's A truly wonderful place Jan has created for people like us who are crazy about The Band(and Band-related artists).It never fails to baffle me about how some seemingly pleasant fellow Band fans can become so angry and take personal offense to someones oppisite point of view, especially when the thread is political Bullshit.(let alone the fued) If all of us GB'ers were gathered at a Barnburnres show, or the Gurus, or even an old Band show, would we be standing around arguing, or taking marvel in our one common interest? My guess is that even the most arrogant and nasty posters would be curteous and pleasant, due to the phenomenon of people becoming ass**les while hiding behind a keyboard.

With the re-release of TLW on DVD, there has been a noticible increase of either new Band fans or old ones re-discovering them. As Bayou Sam said it's fun to see someone get turned on to The Band (Vitor-Get as many albums as you can). Anyway,it would be nice to have someones first visit to the GB a good one. Many great intelligent posters have vanished....(Al Edge is sorely missed)..many are still here....(Peter Viney, Hank, etc.)......Maybe Jesse Jackson could restore peace in here? Amen.

Dave Z- I envy your trip this summer. You must have passed through my hometown Duluth (Dylan's Birth town) on your way down the North shore of Lake Superior. Now I reside in the booming metropolis of Twig, 20 miles North of Duluth. We gotta stir-up some more Minnesotans....see ya!


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Posted by:

Dexy

The piano thread reminded me of a question I've meant to ask here before. I know Levon is renowned for being able to play anything he picks up. I love the shots of him playing a stand-up bass. I assume he can kill on the piano, even though I've never even seen a shot of him at one. In The Band, of course, no reason for Levon, Rick or Robbie to play the keys, although Robbie shows an ability in the VH-1 doc. Butch (or others) -- have you ever seen Levon play the piano? I'd also get a kick out of seeing him do an electric guitar solo.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: A Good Book

A very good book on the subject of Independent Councils (did i spell that right?) and the Presidency is Bob Woodwards, Shadows. Very illuminating. I was shocked that in his analysis of Reagan, he came away thinking he was really out of the loop on Iran-Contra. Nonetheless, it is an excellent read as it covers the fruitless investigations into Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton. In other words, for those who don't want to read this book, the investigations, all of them, were a waste of taxpayers money.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: american politics

to all you believers in democracy, please read michael moores book, stupid white men. and then listen to your favourite band tunes.


Entered at Sat Aug 24 15:36:45 CEST 2002 from (64.80.240.44)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Gilberta: I certainly did not mean to sound as if I was neglecting horrors outside of the US. As I said, _every_life is important, and I meant that in the broad sense of the word. Because John had essentially asked why the importance of Sept 11 seems to overshadow other terrorist acts such as Oklahoma City (and some of the others I mentioned), I was relating to other US tragedies. I in no way meant to imply that senseless, violent loss of innocent life _anywhere_ is okay.. or less important. I hope I've clarified. Thanks.

Ben Pike: I am going to tell you that you've made some very valid points in posts. I don't see things as 'black and white' as you'd like to believe, and I try to give the opinions of others some reasonable consideration. My comment about what I perceive to be your narrow-mindedness is simply because you seem to find it hard to say anything without being condescending. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as everyone else is entitled to theirs. If you don't agree, that's fine. Making a good point or having a valid opinion doesn't necessarily mean that either one of us is right. I can respect your beliefs while not agreeing with them. All I ask is the same courtesy. Apologies for the last post to you. I should've said this instead.

And on that note, I am going to refrain in the future from giving my opinions here about politics or religion. It's too much of a viscous circle. Sorry.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: BP and an attempt to answer Lil and John.

The Independent Council may well indeed have been a flawed law as you contend, Ben. It was passed by the democrats to go after Reagan and his administration, and it came back to bite them with Clinton. Wait! Stop! I don't want to debate another Presidency. My point is you have a tendency to not see the forest because of the trees. It's POLITICS Ben, and how it is reported in the media is sideshow Bread and Circuses so people like you and me can fight over it, but we can choose NOT to. If you would put down your hate-glasses for a minute, you may be able to accept that although my political beliefs and theories are different than yours, it is because I believe in them, not through malevolence or conspiracy, but because I believe that is what is best for the world. I have to assume that you believe what you do becuase YOU sincerely believe the same about your convictions. Yes, many of our ideas are opposites, but that is no reason for hatred, contempt, or violence. It is a reason for respectful debate. JOHN & LIL: Stalin made a statement that 1 or 100 deaths is a tragedy, and a million is a statistic. I do not think 9/11 has in any way reduced the significance or horror of Oklahoma City or Columbine. Last week at Atlanta Airport I was in the bar drinking my anti-terrorist liquids when that kid in the CA school shooting was convicted. The whole bar focused on school shootings in conversation and there was nothing but horror, contempt, and disgust. It is natural to focus on the most recent event, and in 9/11's case it was of an unprecedented scale, and with constant terrorist alerts (and that threat warning system is just the most insipid...)it is natural to remain focused on it. Plus, Lil is correct in that there is countless videos of it unlike the other cases, and millions (literally!) of witnesses. Plus, so many of us have seen or been in the Pentagon and Towers, unlike having actually been to OK and Columbine...John, I also think it is unfortunate to stop Arabs and those of Arab decent at the border on the anniversary of 9/11, or any other day, but I blame the terrorists for that. What are we to do? You have to profile, unlike at airports where I have been stopped several times and even had the guard searching me telling me what a joke the system is... Anyway, I know I have only partially answered your questions, but hope I at least contributed. PS: Lil, You did not mention enjoying being in company with me along with Butch :(


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Posted by:

gilberta Iman

Location: usa

Subject: diamond lil

Your kind and sensitive post regarding the Sept.11th "what ever you chose to call it" neglected horrors outside the borders of the US. Are you familiar with the term "collateral damage" ? That is what the military calls the innocent people slaughtered in the various actions taken to secure supremecy for this country. Imagine Americans hearing of their loved ones referred to as "collateral damage". That is the outrage of the rest of the world. The disregard for human life outside the dominance of the Flag is most likely one of the contributing factors for the loss of respect America is now experiencing. You did tug at my heart-strings when mentioning those terrifying dark moments, but perhaps if we spread those sentiments worldwide by including all mass killing we would be taking a step further towards peace. Spread those arms a bit wider.


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Posted by:

jeffrey

Subject: oops!

But we really should leave hate out of this.And damnit, I promised myself no more politics in here..........


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

.............and I was trying so hard to stay away from that stuff in here. Where's Rollie\Jeff? He must be busting.

Music = did you ever hear the original "Sounds of Silence" - the way S&G first recorded it? - without the electric overdubs? - very cool.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

John D = the guys that did the Oklahoma bombing were caught. One is in jail, and the other was put to DEATH. It seems to me that we didn't treat that one very lightly. We can't stop everyone in this Country from doing that again - but those guys sure as hell won't.

Now we need to do what it takes to make it MUCH less easy for the fucks who did the Sept. 11th attacks to do it again - and we need to try to catch the chicken-shits hiding on the other side of the world that sent these others here to do the dirty work.


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Posted by:

jeffrey

Subject: Ben Pike

Hang in there Ben! It's funny isn't it? How you can be pro-democracy, try to uphold the Constitution,ask for an investigation into the events of 9-11 , and still be considered un-patriotic in this GB!!!!???? Don't get too absorbed. Very few in here have actually looked with any sort of depth into the events and information surrounding this event. I consider myself a "Patriot". The sooner Ashcroft and Bush restore my rights and privacy( a privilege reserved for them so it seems) the sooner we'll get around to seeing eye to eye. Don't hold your breath.Undoubtedly, someone involved in the tips program has already reported the likes of you and I!!!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Questions and Answers

Question: What's the difference between a left-winger and a puppy?

Answer: Puppies stop whining when they grow up!


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Posted by:

Benpike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Thanks Lil! I wear your contempt like a badge of honor. Narrow minded? please, enlighten me. I guess I should be more open minded, and accept independent counsels who try to destroy a politial opponent, all the while claiming nutrality, and then afterwards goes and campaigns for his fellow witch hunters? Is that your idea of broad minded? Those of us who have defended the formor, in most ways affirmative Presidency from all comers, have had a rather lonely vigal; you might have the decency to grant me that. You might ask yourself, in what I would mark as honest heartbreak over 9-11, why has their been no offical investigation?

Glad you remember the Journey thing though, it is the glue that forever binds us!


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: John D's Querry

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Edward R Murrow said that on October 15th, 1958 in a address to Radio-Telivision News DIrectors Association. And the problem has grown. Basically in the states we have CNN, Headline News, CSPAN, CPAN1, Fox News and MSNBC broadcasting news and politics only for 24 hours a day. 7 Networks that need to come up with "News" for 24 hours, every single day. That John, more than anything else, is why the media runs and runs and runs with a story like September 11th. Because the must to fill space. Lil mentioned the rash of child abductions, In fact child abductions are slightly down in 2002 as compared to 2001, yet the media is reporting them as if it were way up. Its no less a problem, but there has been no rise in abductions in 2002. The media simply has too much time to fill, sometimes the way they milk a story disgusts me-and I made a living as a journalist in the mid 80s. You are right though, a lot of the backlash has to do with them being of a different race, easier to tell "them" from us. I'm sure everyone remembers the prayer vigil they had at churches the Friday after the attack, I went into a church for something other than a funeral for the first time in 15 years, but I chose to go to a Mosque-a naive gesture maybe but the attacks on some local arabs disgusted me and I had a need to make a gesture. I was treated so well that evening, the lets turn those countries into parking lot brigades disgust me. They just flat out disgust me.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: The Hawk

It is being reported that the Hawk's operation was unsuccessful, that the doctors could not remove the tumor.

John D, as much as I love you, I can't go into it here. As you recall, the GB closed down right after 9/11 due to the heat and I'd rather not risk it again. However, post an email and I'll gladly compare notes with you or anyone who would like to carry the topic further. Mine is shepat@mindspring.com

And, as Brother Ray would say, "Love the man. He's a little drunk, but love the man. Now, where is security, there's supposed to be security."

Lil, copy my email and paste it to your screen. A quaint but effective reminder when lines of communication are clogged.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Location: Too much coffee before bed

John D: You ask a very good question, and one that I've thought about myself. Although the events of Sept 11 were reprehensible, it's difficult for me to think that the innocent lives lost that day are somehow more 'important' than the innocent lives lost in Oklahoma City. Or the innocent lives lost on the Pan Am Flight years ago. Or the children who were murdered at Columbine HS. Or the children who are being abducted and murdered by lunatics here in the states lately. Life is precious.. _every_life.
So.. my opinion on the answer to your question would have to be (sadly).. the media. The sensationalism of the tragedy of Sept 11, the live videos of the towers collapsing, people running in fear and screaming, planes crashing... a tragedy unfolding live. Networks here had round-the-clock coverage for more than 2 weeks. The sickening visual of those towers crumbling is seared into our memories, until we all felt virtually overdosed on grief and over-taxed emotions. And network ratings soared. So why not replay it all on the 1st anniversary? Why not let it consume our every thought again one year later?

Many many heroes came out of the Sept 11th tragedy, and thousands of people lost their lives. Lives are lost in violent and sickening ways everyday. Everyone should be as important.

Thanks for listening. I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnight.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Crappola

Wow! Lotta bullshit in the BG today.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Subject: Chaska, MN

Quinn The Eskimo: My guess is that the reviewer of TLW from Atlanta (i.e. your link) is among those who feel that the only real R&R is Punk Rock. I wish them luck in their effort to change history.


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Classic albums dvd, John D

Vitor, the Classic Albums dvd is well worth money, but it's going to make you willing to pay any price for the Brown album, because most of the songs discussed are from that album and you don't get to hear complete versions on the dvd.

Some of my favorites bits are the sections where Levon and Robbie (seperately) isolate individual tracks and tell us how the sound was built. Rick sings a solo version of Unfaithful Servant, and Garth play keyborad and sax, his fingers stretching like spiders over the keys. I suspect many of us have the entire thing memorized.

John D, I can't explain any of what you ask because I have many of the same questions. I'm not going to debate here in the GB; there's no point in getting all worked up about exhibitions of fear and shock and pride and localism and jingoism, and the actions of an administration playing out war game scenarios.. Don't ask why, it just is, and hope it goes away before too much damage is done.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Vitor = everyone will tell you to go get the second album called "The Band" next - know as the "brown" album. It's a must. It's always cool to hear the excitment of someone just discovering this music. Keep us posted - oh, and those posts after yours - well that happens in here sometimes. Don't let it scare you off man.

llka = thanks for explaining. I must admit that I was a little cofused about your Bob comment. It's cool.

A lot of musicians, who aren't known as piano players, compose on the piano. I remember the first time I saw the scene in the "Let It Be" movie where George and Ringo are running through "Octapus' Garden". Ringo is on piano - then George (with guitar on his neck) comes over to the piano to play a chord change suggestion for Ringo. I remember being shocked at the time, thinking that these particular Beatles never went near a piano.

Speaking of Ringo - I heard that they did a poll in England to determine the 100 greatest Britons of all time. John, Paul, and George made the list - but Ringo didn't. Shit. Did to guys over there vote for Ringo?


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines, Ontario

Subject: John D's question...

Great question John. As it’s not directed at me, I'll refrain from making any of my own conjectures at this point. Let's hope (no, let's pray) for some real good answers from the Americans here.


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: Note to PB

Your people forgot to call my people again :-)


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Posted by:

Quinn the Eskimo

Location: Maryland
Web: My link

Subject: TLW

Check this link for a unique assessment of The Last Waltz.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Pike's Puke

Know what Pike? I've had just about enough of your narrow-minded, one-dimensional drivel. You don't know me.. you don't know anything about me..and frankly..I couldn't care less what your deluded opinions about me may be. For someone who "hates" me as much as you do, you seem to be incredibly obsessed with anything I say. That "Journey" idiocy comes to mind for starters. Whether my likes or dislikes, or my beliefs or disbeliefs coincide with yours or not.. I really don't give a damn. "Hate" me if you want, it doesn't change my life or the way I live it one bit. And please don't get the impression that you've upset me in anyway. I find your nonsense too funny to get upset about.
Oh.. and thank you so much! I feel very honored to be included in any group that includes my friend Butch.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Canada

Subject: Sept.11th

As a Canadian I can't ask anyone up here this question; therefore may I throw this one out to my American cousins. I notice that all three networks are gearing up for the anniversary of Sept. 11th. Also beginning that day all Canadian Muslims that originally came from the countries that Bush put on the "bad" list will be fingerprinted at the border, even if they are second or third generation Canadians. Visitors from these Eastern countries I can understand; by the way going through this process. Remembering that we Canadians rounded up all the Japanese and put them in camps in British Columbia during the second world war; which we are still holding our head in shame for.

Here comes my comment & question and it is a sincere one please. I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

Firstly what happened on September 11th was absolutely deplorable and so very, very sad. I want to make that clear. NOW. If I were a relative of the Oklahoma bombing I would be PISSED! It appears that if a white anglo-saxon American blows up a bunch of kids and adults....it's now just a rather sad part of American history. But if the menace comes from outside of the country.....lookout here comes John Wayne! There will be re-broadcasts of the day............giant concerts are going to be held. What about the people in Oklahoma? Did they have to be killed by outsiders in order to be remembered as New York-Washington will be? Again I just don't get it. I just feel that America is picking and choosing who to be angry at. Why didn't Americans DEMAND that these militia groups be rounded up.....or bombed........or SOMETHING??? Thanks for listening and I am really looking for some good insight here so I can better understand the DIFFERENCE IN EVENTS.


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Posted by:

Benpike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Well, be on notice Tullfan, those of us who love the country, and rightfully despise this Judge who puts his hand on the Bible and swears to be "independant" then pulls the crap that perhaps only a Jesus hypocrate like Starr can pull, we do hate the sad bounty of destruction such crude behavior produces. Pity my hatred? I'll return an ocean of pity for the viciousness, lies, and projected self hatred of anyone who has indulged the Clinton hating goon squad. Rosie babe, all I can say to your childishness is to note: "no examples given." No arguement, no reason, truth, just "ditto." Grow up.


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Posted by:

Blind Willie

Subject: The Hawk and Levon - Toronto

There was a paragraph in the Toronto Sun today that said something about The Hawk and Levon in Toronto on Sept. 15. Can anyone provide details?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Be careful folks...

BenPike is a prime example of what happens to you if you watch too much CNN. Hook, Line and Sinker.

The Clinton Legacy? Only people with eyes can see the damage.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Opie & Whomever and Ben Pike

Ben: You 'hate' me, Butch and Diamond Lil? I can see you not liking what we stand for, but give us a break! Trust me, there must be greater, more powerful people in your life worthier of your scorn! I do not return your hate. Assuming that what both of us actually stands for is irreconcilably at odds, then I think the laws of the universe will ultimately settle the question regardless of how high our individual soapboxes may be. So, rather than spew hatred at you in return, I'll just say that I am sorry you feel that way and hope your opinions mellow with time. On the Andy and Opie thing, those DJ's who got fired for the sex in St. patrick's scandal: First, if that happened in a mosque, synagogue, or Buddhist temple, you can imagine the outrage. Why did they feel the need to defile anybody's holy place? It was a pretty hurtful thing to do. I wish, rather than just being fired, the owners of WNEW lost their license. Why? Nothing to do with the scandal or morality, but rather because 102.7 WNEW used to be one of the last great radio stations, home to Scott Muni and that Sunday night free form radio show (was it 'Idiot's something or other? ) I remember the host playing Whispering Pines back in 1996 while driving over the GW (me, not him). I used to live for that station, and now, with the current owners, rather than play great music, old an new, it's just the latest, syndicated, cookie-cutter crap which to me represents everything wrong with radio and why the music scene has become what it is. If you want talk radio, switch to AM. FM dj's, if they open their mouths, should talk about music, musicians, concerts or just shut up!


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Posted by:

Benpike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Uliff, thanks for the window of sanity. Yes, the hate Clinton brigade is simply a weird, irrational cult indulged by a media that had sex to sell, that had our eyes squarely on Gary Condit when the planes hit the buildings. And Tullfan, while I thank you EVER so much for doing ME the favor of not pressing your "Clinton was the one who benifited from Enron" point; since it happens to be total nonsense I will say, TullFan, Butch, Dimond Lil, as much as I hate you and everything you stand for, I do give you solid points over the apathitic, or even, sorry Jan, the lazy, "plauge on both there houses" types. If Gore had been granted the office he in fact won, we simply would have had a smarter, better qualified office holder; and there is considerable reason to believe would would be in much better shape.

Notice I cannot even pry a word of scorn for the real villians of Impeacment, so best to simply re-write a classic ballad.

"These be seven curses on a Judge so corrupt,

That Seven Wall Street Journal smears cannot aid him,

that six puff peices on Nightline cannot sheild him,

That five trucks full porno testimony cannot aid him,

That four softball questions from O'Reilly cannot protect him,

That three Million from the Tabacco companys cannot ease him,

That two immunity deals can't put the fix in,

AND ONE GREAT COUNTRY WILL NEVER BELIEVE HIM


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Posted by:

Vitor Bernardes

Location: Brazil

Subject: Classic albums: The Band DVD

Hello everyone,

First time poster here, and also a new fan. I discovered The Band only a couple of months ago (I had heard of them, of course, but never their music), and I´m still in shock. They´re simply amazing, they blew me right away. I got instantly hooked.

Well, the only album I have is Music from Big Pink, since here in Brazil there are only a couple of compilations officially released (and I don´t want compilations, I want the whole thing). I was lucky enough to find an import copy of Big Pink really cheap. Great. I´m also considering buying the Classic Albums DVD, and I thought I´d ask here how good it is, since it´s gonna cost me a little more than I´d like. I think I´ll buy the thing anyway, but it doesn´t hurt to ask what you think about it.

This is a great site, btw, easily the best fan-made site I´ve ever seen. I look forward to taking part in some discussions here!

See you, Vitor


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Posted by:

bonnie

Location: no. va

Subject: Amazing Grace

A few years ago Bill Moyer's Journal (PBS)featured a documentary on the hymn Amazing Grace. Not only did the program document the historical context of the piece by John Newton it also traced the evolution of the song from its concept to its place in the American society of today. The voice of Jessye Norman (beautiful)(NY Met?) is featured on the documentary. If the opportunity arises it will certainly be worth a little of your attention.

Not only is the film still replayed on various PBS stations, I beleive it is still available for sale. BR


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Posted by:

Rich Forbes

Location: New York

Subject: Blues Cruise

Looking forward to seeing some of the GB'ers on the ship tonight...should be a real kicker!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bill M

Bill, if I come back in another life I want you to be my publicist! Thanks for all the wonderful comments from time to time...........it means a lot to me!


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Posted by:

Empty Now

I want informations about the recording musicians of Sara (Bob Dylan - Desire) - Who plays each instrument


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Posted by:

uliff

Subject: it's Clinton's fault!!

Well, I've heard Bill Clinton blamed for the terrorist attacks, the Enron scandal, forest fires an on and on and on ... now he's to blame for stupid Dee Jay pranks and bad TV shows ... it's just simply amazing ... will it ever f@#*ing end!?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Peter's thread on piano.

Funny you mention that DVD as I just bought it last week and what you mention is fresh in my mind. I do recall Rick Danko saying that This Wheel's On Fire was written when he was trying to compose on piano, and that its' structure is different than if he did so on guitar. Lennon and McCartney, separately and together, are also seen in many photos/films composing on the piano. There is an interview where George Harrison relates to how the then surviving three, while working to complete Real Love and Free As A Bird, recalled how Lennon's piano was (customarily) out of tune.


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Posted by:

emily benally

Location: acoma reservation
Web: My link

Subject: happy about your music

"

"(To the band, rob, levon,garth, I love your music. please inform us fan on your new tour and dates thanks.emily"

"


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Posted by:

Jeff

Location: Brooklyn, today anyway

Levon is playing in a show tonight that is one helluva night of American Music. Hubert Sumlin, Levon, Jimmy V., Mike Merritt, and David Johannsen. You cannot beat that. I am psyched and this needs to be said, and this is as good a time to say it as any:

LEVON HELM IS AMERICA'S DRUMMER!


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Posted by:

Bill

Piano players: And in the first version of Levon and the Hawks you also had Jerry Penfound. In the sextet (with and without Hawkins) he played sax, but he played both sax and keyboards on the LP he did with the Capers in the mid-'60s and on the one he did with Quorum around 1970. And, as it seems that he was in a relatively small version of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks (photos show him, Levon, Robbie and Rick) before Richard and Garth, he likely played piano with Hawkins too. In fact, he told me it was him on "Bo Diddley", but that doesn't jive date-wise (i.e., the song was recorded in '63, by which time the others were in the group).


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Legacy...

If the presidency so effects US culture, I guess we can look forward to a nation of incoherent, post-verbal boobs who lie about their drug abuse and brag about not reading. Oooops, already here.

Of course, if the Supreme Court had decided on a whim to make Gore president, we'd have a nation of nerdy, pot-smoking know-it-alls who talked funny.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I retract the whole thing.

Deja vu, Diamond Lil. It was you and I who traversed the Hans Christian Anderson/Last Waltz link oh so many years ago.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Three piano players in The Band

A reminder that RR sometimes composed on piano, witness the solo piano version of "Night they drove Old Dixie Down" on Classic albums. Also some of the 90s stuff has his keyboards. It's the kind of thing where a composer might play the keyboards when no one else was around, but unless you're desperate to prove versatility, it's easier to use a full-time keyboard player for most records. Don't know how good he was 30 years ago, but presumably as good as Dylan. i.e, not as good as Garth or Richard, but able to knock out a tune. And we don't know whether Rick or Levon could play piano too. They've always seemed the sort of instinctive musicians who given 30 minutes to play with an unfamiliar instrument could get something out of it.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Amazing Grace

On the Woodstock Mountain's More Music From Mud Acres album there is a great version of Paul Butterfeild and John Sebastion doing Amazing Grace on the Harmonica...just instamental it is great..

I would love to hear Joe Cocker sing that song..

to all of you lucky people seeing Levon this weekend have a great time and make sure to give the GB all the details on the shows...

I missed the Allman Brothers this past Tuesday at SPAC (only 1.5 hours from me) for the first time in about 5 years... has anyone seen there tour this summer???? and how are they sounding??


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: To Bayou Sam

About Bob Dylan as the piano player: I quoted you incorrectly. You said that there were already two competent keyboard players in The Band which is - of course - correct.


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Posted by:

peter theroux

Location: Plymouth Mass

Subject: Blues Cruise 97


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Posted by:

Dave Wells ~ (the drummer)

Location: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web: My link

Subject: Levon / Friends for Life

Yes JT Fan, Levon was in fine spirit and top form at the Heritage Bluesfest in Wheling WVA. I'd ALSO like to thank Butch for volunteering to take our pic with "The Boss."

Right after that pic was taken, my son Adam thanked Levon for the autographed drumstick and for being so gracious and kind. Levon replied, "Adam, you me & your daddy are friends for life."

Thanks Levon....and best wishes for good health ; so that lifetime friendship may continue on for MANY years to come.


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Posted by:

Bumble Bee

Subject: K

A woman who can say so little with such few words. Why do you even bother? No one reads you anyway.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Not to "beat" a dead horse, but since the subject of Bill and Monica "came" up, let's remember how Barr and the other shocked conservatives, moral hypocites they may be, predicted that the attitude of "what's-the-big-deal-about-the-President's-adultery" would result in a lowering of moral standards across our society. Today we may be seeing exactly that -- a couple busted for doing it in St. Patrick's cathedral, T.V. getting more and more raunchy with shows like Anna Nicole Smith, "reality" shows that play to the seediest elements, and an "anything goes" mentality. Not that it really bothers me but -- you have to wonder if this is part of Bill's "legacy".


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Posted by:

Jeff Archer

Location: Detroit , Michigan

Subject: The Band

I just wanted to say that I think The Band were the greatest band of all time. I don't think any other band played and sang with as much emotion and feeling as them. As a musician myself, I would have given anything to be in The Band. My two favorite singers are Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. Not to take anything away from Levon Helm. But just one listen to Richard's voice on "Tears of Rage" or "Last Of The Blacksmith's" just blows me away. Or Rick's voice on "Where Do We Go From Here" or "The Unfaithful Servant". The Band was in short I think, The most talented band ever.


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: amazing grace

loved the amazing grace thread. it was my mum's favorite hymn along with rock of ages and we sang both at her funeral just over a year ago. rockers love amazing grace too. rod stewart does a cracking rendition on ev pict. tells a st. the faces always did it in concert. iv seen van morrison and the neville bros perform it live. interestingly it was performed acoustically with mick singing by the stones at the recent funeral of longtime stones associate chuch mcgee.levon of course told the story in his book of himself getting out of the coffin in the take of his funeral scene in cm'sd to tell the mourners off because they wernt singing it properly. have the band ever sang it live together or solo. dylan certainly covered rock of ages in concert.


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Dana Glover cd

I just received an advance copy of Dana Glover's Testimony cd. Robbie Robertson is the Executive Producer. It will be released on Oct. 15th here in the states. I've only listened to it once, but it seems pretty good. The title track is her own composition, by the way.

Hey Crabby: what ever happened to the Nicky Love cd? They obviously spent money promoting it, but it was never released.


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Posted by:

Parachute Woman

Subject: Watkins Glen parachutists

Correcting my previous post after getting out the old tape: At Watkins Glen the Band warms up with some instrumental noodling then Levon says "we're ready Bill" then Sam Cutler introduces Bill Graham who says the fine wine line, they tear into "Going Back To Memphis" then someone,maybe Robbie, says "Wish I could Do that" and "maybe it's the second coming" then "sound ok?"....next tune was "Loving You has..".so it was probably referring to the parachutist.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Peter V mentioned "Wigwam", which was my first Dylan record. I never liked it, but it was on the CKFH top ten, which I won in a radio contest in the summer of '70. I took the Gray Coach to Toronto to collect my prize, which was handed to me by program director Duff Roman (who'd produced the Hawks' first session post-Ronnie). My radio hero, John Donabie, dressed in a velvet-ish suit, wandered past. It was all sooo exiting - much better than the top 10, frankly. (The other nine included "Yellow River" by Christie, "Julie Do You Love Me" by Bobby Sherman, "25 Or 6 To 4" by Chicago, "War" by Edwin Starr; 1970 was not a banner year for pop radio.)

Bumbles: I appreciate your guesses - and everyone else's when they take the trouble to identify them as such.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Levon photos from Butch

Thanks for the great shots! Nice to see that he appears to be in very good health and spirits.


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Posted by:

Quinn the Eskimo

Location: Maryland

Subject: Baltimore 8/18

"Quinn the Eskimo" played 8/18/02, Baltimore. First since the Isle of Wight, with the boys. Second time ever, the next night would be the third. I wish I had seen/heard [in person] the first! But I was glad to see/hear the second.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: The Blues

A new Blues 4 cd set due out, titled "When the Sun Goes Down" featuring a hundred recordings of blues music from the mid-'20s into the '40s, many unavailable since thier original 78-rpm records..Arhtur "Big Boy" Crudrup's "That's All Right", Robert Petway's "Catfish" which latter became Muddy Water's "Rolling Stone", Sonny Boy Williamson's version of "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl",Blind Willie Mctell's "Statesboro Blues", sounds like a great collection, the article didn't say when this would be available but I know I will be watching....


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Soul

Hazy Davy- a seriously interesting question which I’ll ponder while listening! There are really five contenders here:

Atlantic Rhythm & Blues 1947 to 1974, which came out as 7 CDs and I bought one at a time.

The Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959-1968, which is 8 CDs.

The Complete Stax-Volt Singles Vol 2 1968-1971, 8 CDs again.

The one you missed – the “Hitsville U.S.A.” box set from Tamla-Motown, 4 CDs. They’ve just released the Motown Chartbusters series in boxes, but these were chucked together as budget albums and don’t tell a story in the same way.

Intriguing fifth one – Connoisseur Collections “The Soul Years” (I only have the 1964 and 1966 volumes) – but they collect from ‘all the other soul labels’ so you get Curtis Mayfield, Major Lance, Inex & Charlie Foxx etc.

John D is a lucky man getting to the heart of Stax! First off, don’t forget that a few of the cream of the Stax-Volt singles are on the Atlantic box set anyway (Otis Redding, Booker T.) Then there’s a completeness about having every Stax single that appeals, giving you the obscure ones (there weren’t any bad ones). The first Stax set beats the second set for me. There is even a Stax Singles Volume 3 box set, but I never got it. It had poor reviews, and post-71 wasn’t the era. The Atlantic one stretches way further back into early Ray Charles, The Clovers, Ruth Brown, Tiny Grimes – R&B rather than soul. The Motown one focuses on singles, is in mono most of the way and in chronological order. So, Marvin Gaye v Otis Redding v Sam & Dave? I think I’d take the Motown, but losing Don Covay, Otis Redding … this is like Sophie’s Choice! How about the remastered double CD “Atlantic Gold” – can I have that with the Motown? It’s got some classic Stax tracks on it too.

But as to the “Anthology of American Folk Music” every one of the soul box sets would beat it if I were fleeing the proverbial burning house. Which is probably why some of my opinions differ. I’m not knocking the anthology but it is pretty lo-fi, rickety stuff, so musicology rather than great listening pleasure. Yesterday I hit “Respect” (Otis version) on one of my many in car soul compilations and pressed repeat five times before I could listen to the next track (which was “You Must Believe Me” by The Impressions)!

It was Merry Clayton on Gimmee Shelter.


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Posted by:

ulbiman

Location: germany

Subject: Band related again

Sorry, I haven´t send a mail for a long time, but I´m still alive. There is a remasterd version with bonus tracks of the Gene Clark CD "White Light" released. There is a wonderful version of Tears of Rage on it. If you haven´t heard it by now you should do it. Another artist which is a hero of mine is Gram Parsons. If you like to read more of his life and his music, go and get Jason Walker´s book "Gods own singer". It is good to read and and bring some more light in his myterious life and death. Best regards!!


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Saunaland

Subject: Band related at last

Nice to listen an hour Band special on our best commercial Radio...Maybe a little Band renessaince is coming worldwide...I mean that the most visible trends in rock during the last 25 years have somehow diminished the importance of the Band. Punk, glamour, techno, heavy, hard rock etc. they all have the certain urban cynicism, even coldness, and adolescence which is so far away from the warm, rural and adult sound of the Band...I really hope that the bands like Wilco, Weeping Willows, Son Volt, Belle and Sebastian and many others will succeed. They are keeping the spirit of the Band high...

Bob W.: Thanks! I hope Chris will be on ice soon. He may have many international visits ahead! And I hope that the not-so good years of the Flyers are over. Ken Hitchcock is one the best coaches in the world and the team is strong. Ilkka Sinisalo is a regular ice-hockey commentator in radio here.



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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

What the hell are we talking about Clinton and Monica for? Fuckin'A!

Do you agree with me llkka?


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: out on The Westrn Plain
Web: My link

Subject: When I was a Cowboy

Rory gallagher was Raised here in Cork....on McCurtain Street.....his mom has a nice house just down the road from me.......met him once.....a sweet, quiet spoken man.....

Rory Gallagher is to Cork what Van is to Belfast, the Beatles to Liverpool, the Animals to Newcastle and The Stones to London.........ie He GOT IT......in the late 50ies and early 60ies he heard and understood and yearned to play this Blues they wre hearing on dodgy Radios. I woulda loved to have heard him jam w/Levon./


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stax/Volt

No one asked me; but if I had a choice between the Stax/Volt box set and the Atlantic Box it would be like Biblical times.....cutting the baby in half to find who who the real mama was. Impossible choice if you love R&B/Soul Music.

Tomorrow morning I am interviewing for the second time, Ms. Deanie Parker who was the second employee hired at Stax in the early 60's. She is also a part of the Stax Box set as she recorded two singles for Stax; but found her true talent as a publicist, liner notes writer and now in 2002 The Director of the new Stax Museum and Soulsville USA. I went to Memphis a few weeks back.......was allowed to don the "hard hat" and go into the yet unfinished Stax Museum. Studio A has been re-created with the slanting floor. Just like the original. We all have to remember that the Stax Studios was originally a movie theater called the Capitol. The neon signs are back up and the buildings are going to be beautiful. I for one will travel to Memphis (God willing) at the end of next April for the opening. Rob Bowman who wrote the Band liner notes, of course has written a wonderful book on Stax and did the liner notes for the Box Set. Stax lives again and I might be tempted to choose that over the Atlantic Box. Then again I wouldn't want to seperate the baby.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: Rory Gallagher

Wasn't he from Ballyshannon and then Cork, like? No big deal except to the muck savages up there.


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: Bozoville

Subject: Ape Man

Bayou Sam;

A DJ on WBAI used to play a version of "Ape Man" performed by the Esso Trinidad Steel Drum Band...I think I have a copy, (recorded off air), if you are interested...yorktr@aol.com


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: PG

Let me add my voice to those encouraging Paul Godfrey to post his material. We will all benefit from it.


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Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Air Guitar...the How Tos

For those of you wanting to "improve" upon your air gutiar techniques or who are just starting out check out The Guardian's website. By the way, to those air guitarists, why did you start out with the air guitar? To get the chicks, am I right?!?! hehehehe


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Gimme Another Mary

Yes, of course, it is Mary Clayton. My bad!


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Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: L O N D O N CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Levon & All Star party

ANDY, were you at the LEVON HELM RCO ALL-STARS album release party in Woodstock?

I am slowly updating my website. A lot of folks feel I should share more of my photo collection and memories of DAZE gone by. I will get to it little by little.

So how bout it ANDY...wuz ya there?

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: Gimme Merry

LDO: If *my* MSMW, it was Merry Clayton on "Gimme Shelter." Someone around here must have the Let It Bleed liner notes handy...unfortunately, my copy's about 3000 miles away!


Entered at Fri Aug 23 01:24:08 CEST 2002 from pix53.gage.com (216.17.33.62)

Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: Minneapolis

Subject: Rehearsals

Doug: If a documentary film maker puts a camera in someone's face and basically asks them for their story -- that's one thing.

If the film maker stops and says, "that was good, but I like how you did it before" or "try emphasizing this part" or even, "let's hear you say that again," it gradually ceases to be a document of someone bearing witness, and starts to become a performance.

Someone bearing witness is simply stating what, for them, is the truth, without guile. A person givng a performance has an agenda -- is trying to make a point.

Scorcese could have edited the film so that it all felt off-the-cuff; so that all of it felt without guile or motive.

Instead, he edited it so that the film telegraphs to you -- some of what you are seeing is people trying to make a point and some of it is people simply....what? Just saying and doing stuff.

People wonder why TLW is such a great film -- it ain't just because the Band is in it, IMHO. But also because it was carefully made

The edits Scorcese chose to made me think: "God, look at that; what he just said is completely guileless and sincere, and it foreshadows something so profoundly sad." And at other times, "What's this cat telling me? Can I believe it?"

Fascinating...well, to me anyway.

Will give it a rest now.

Mr. Viney, your comments made me wonder, if you had to choose between the Stax/Volt boxed set and the Atlantic R&B set, which would you choose, and why? & I was surprised you didn't chime in on the Am Anth of Folk Music question.

OK time to go. Good evenin' to you.


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Posted by:

And finally

There are other issues related to songwriting, in disputes you've had with Robbie Robertson over sharing credit for much of the Band's repertoire. I don't have a problem with any of it, you know? I'm a very thankful person. Whatever publishing I've shared with people, whatever songwriting credits I've shared and whatever payments I've gotten, I'm thankful. I could have ended up having to get a real job. I'm thankful for what the Band has represented and what the Band has done. I'm not gonna sit here and tear the Band apart. Is there any chance that you and Robbie would work together again? Ah, I think that to deal with the past, we would have to deal with the future. And that's enough said.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Gimme Mary

If my memory serves me well, I believe it's none other than Mary Wells who delivers the spine-tingling "Rape, Murder, It's Just A Shot Away" refrain from the classic Stones chestnut Gimme Shelter.


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Posted by:

Same interview

MATTHEW: What's your reaction to some people who wish Robbie Robertson would rejoin The Band? RICK: Everybody wishes that. I think Robbie even wishes that. People try to throw money at us... I think the last report was US$5 million. But money isn't the object anymore. We're not looking for a job. Everybody's pretty much doing what they want to be doing. MATTHEW: So you feel The Band is still The Band with or without Robbie? RICK; Absolutely. Not one monkey can stop the show. Robbie chose to do what he chose to do, and more power to him. I think he's regretted some of those movements, but that's not my problem... You know, you can't replace Richard Manuel, and you can't replace Robbie Robertson. No one was looking to do that. But that's not what makes a band anyway. I mean, the band is The Band


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Posted by:

Interesting

MATTHEW LEWIS: Rick, on the new album, I really like your version of Twilight. Why did you pick that particular old Robbie Robertson song to record? RICK DANKO: I hate to say this, but it's as much of a Rick Danko song as it is a Robbie Robertson song. I just forgot to seek (credit). Robbie was very tight with sharing those responsibilities. That's why he's where he is, and that's why we are where we are, to make a long story short... He'll say he did it all, if you give him the opportunity, MATTHEW: Are there a lot of old Band songs that you feel you should have been credited on? RICK: I feel that way about the whole band. Especially the music. A lot of them stories, Levon (Helm, Band singer and drummer) told a lof of great stories that we worked in the lyrics for songs. But that's behind us. I feel much the way Mike Love (of the Beach Boys) feels. (Ed: Love sued bandmate Brian Wilson for denying him songwriting credits.) Maybe I'll have to end up hiring his lawyer (laughs). MATTHEW: What's your relationship with Robbie these days? RICK: I don't really speak to him or see him that much. He's hanging out in that Armani crowd, I guess, wearing them Armani suits.


Entered at Fri Aug 23 00:43:18 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-134.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.134)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Soul / Spot that tune!

Soul singers- thanks, it’s always good to have something to look for in 2nd hand record stores- I was beginning to run out! The UK (Sequel, Ace,) produces many many superb soul compilations (Best Northern Soul Vol 145 etc), but single artists are less well served, especially if they made the cardinal error of not recording for Stax, Atlantic or Tamla-Motown. Oh, and Kent whose back catalogue Ace have been good with. I think of Gladys Knight’s Buddha classics, or Millie Jackson or Ramp on ABC (Come into Knowledge is a great never-on-CD album from the 70s).

Don’t watch “The Royal Tennenbaums” with me – we rented it on DVD tonight and I irritated the shit out of everyone by “spotting the tune” throughout being especially proud of “Billy #2” from Pat Garrett and “Wigwam”. How come they got Rolling Stones, Van M, Lou Reed, a Beatles song (instrumentally), Paul Simon, Jackson Browne all on one OST? Now I’ve got to rewatch it without spotting the tune.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Hazy's Take on TLW Interviews

Interesting Hazy. I guess I really don't consider an interview 'rehearsed' if the interviewees are provided with a list of questions and told when the film is rolling etc.. Did you notice something else? A 'scripted' on the other hand interview would be really lame and kill the interviews for me -- but I don't think you are suggesting that. I'll definitely pay closer attention next time I watch though.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 23:53:18 CEST 2002 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

JTull fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: I care but I don't too

Well, there was much more than Monica, it was just the lightning rod. And yes, if we really new what we suspected about all of them...Bottom line: I could argue this all day but I have to ask myself whether I really want to do that and drag the GB down because of it. So out of politeness, I DO back off some of my statements, not because I don't feel that I can't properly debate them, but rather because I I'd rather just be on good terms with the people out here and out of respect to Jan. It ain't worth it, and I'd like to think that I COULD have a friendly beer with Ben.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 23:28:36 CEST 2002 from pix53.gage.com (216.17.33.62)

Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: Minneapolis

Subject: Tied Threads

Thanks to all for your insight into Ol' Time Religion, Spirituals in general and She Knows. Never ever did I expect my posting to result in a note-to-self that says, "Check out song by Bread" but there ya go.

Bill: Well I guess an Englishman CAN write a Spiritual I was just surprised to find it out. Although maybe it was a Hymn when it was written and became a Spiritual gradually, due to performance practice.

Bayou Sam: Yes yes, She Knows makes me want to weep -- whatta great song...but that PERFORMANCE...it just tears your guts out. Richard's amazing because there's not a scrap of sentimentality in his voice. Sip the Wine and other scenes in the TLW, they gain power as time goes by.

Something else I noticed about the film this time around -- why, do you think, did Scorcese edit the film so that we can see that some of the interview segments are not, in fact, off-the-cuff, but are actually planned, rehearsed --are PERFORMANCES and thus we are to be (somewhat) suspicious of them (IMHO).

Thinking here of much of what RR says (Scorcese actaully directs him, for Pete's sake...), maybe some of what Levon Helm says, the beginning of Rick's studio tour (we see the false start and hear some stage direction) but NOT the "Sip the Wine" scene, and most especially NOT Garth's and Richard's talks, which are jump-cut to show -- these guys CANNOT be rehearsed.

Why did Scorcese do this, when it would have been easy and natural to edit the footage without the false starts, direction, recasting of lines by the performers...? Would have been a more obvious way to go. But Scorcese decided not to fool us.

Brown Eyed Girl and Kalervo: Of course there is a Now. It's the hub of the wheel, and we're all turning around it. Whitman said the universe is perfecting itself every moment; everything that needs to be happening, is happening, and that's all that's happening. "There is never any more perfection than there is now." Leaves of Grass. And that's all I'll say about that. New boots and panties to ya, I like Rory Gallagher, anybody that covers "Out on the Western Plain" is OK by me and that includes Hugo Ledbetter and Woody Guthrie.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 23:13:18 CEST 2002 from user-1121av0.dsl.mindspring.com (66.32.171.224)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: No, i really don't care...

jTullfan, although politics is an awfully seamy enterprise, perhaps I'm being too cynical when I regard Clinton's dalliance as SOP in Washington DC. The list of penetrators, errr I mean perpetrators of the power-sex syndrome is quite long, with the likes of Hyde, Livingston, Newt, Dubya and a host of others avoiding the bullet that Clinton took. Perhaps we should demand that all elected officials get up in front of a judge and swear they've never taken a Class A narcotic. Could you imagine the laughs? Naw, I'm not being that cynical.

Rory Gallagher and his band Taste opened for Blind Faith and Delaney & Bonny on the Summer of 69 American tour. Taste was fantastic, and BF was really disappointing. The show was at the International Amphitheater in Chicago--a real echo chamber--and given the smallish PA etc, I'm surprised I have any musical memory of the event. Taste really made a huge impression.

Bumbles, I do believe we all have the right to voice political thoughts.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 23:01:48 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ben, Ben, Ben

For someone who has such great taste in music; The Band, V.D. Parks, etc..Anywho, I DON"T think things are more corrupt now than the days of FDR and Huey Long. I also don't listen to Rush every day, or even every week, but when I do I enjoy it. You're making him out to be a bogeyman. I listen to Public Radio too, enjoy it too, but don't agree with it all the time either. But Ben, Clinton DID screw up his presidency, and no amount ouf fingerpointing at the Right will change that. Were some of them out to get him to varying degrees? Sure! It's called politics and it has been played like that since John Adams. What I'm saying is that Clinton fell into the trap of providing his enemies with copious amounts of fuel and fodder, which more than distracted him from his job. I don't want to hijack this site with politics, so let's just agree to disagree. I'd still buy you a beer if I met you in a bar so long as we stuck to music (mostly).


Entered at Thu Aug 22 22:51:48 CEST 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Subject: GB elitists

Politics by definition is anybody's game. And there's often little correlation between what someone does and what he/she knows. Assuming you know what someone does....and aren't guessing


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: E. Phillips/M. Wells

P_VINEY: “From a Whisper to a Scream” was issued on disc about 10 years ago (with bonus tracks!), but was, typically, deleted almost immediately. You might be interested to know that it was recorded during a period when none other than Pee Wee Ellis was Esther Phillips' musical director. As far as Mary Wells, Motown’s “Ultimate Collection” is the best available collection, featuring the hits, a couple of duets w/Marvin Gaye, some great overlooked Smokey Robinson songs, and, hard as it is believe of a Motown set, a few tracks from other labels, including the wonderful “Dear Lover,” cut for Atlantic’s Atco label. An out-of-print Mary Wells item worth looking for is “The Complete Jubilee Sessions,” the two late 60s/early 70s albums she recorded for that New York label compiled by the British label Sequel. No pop hits or any real R&B ones either, but a very different, almost deep soul sound, featuring production and some songs written by her then-husband Cecil Womack, brother of Bobby and, years later, half (with subsequent wife Linda, daughter of Sam Cooke) of the great Womack & Womack.

BRIAN: According to the ICE newsletter, Arista has cancelled the Rick Danko release.


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Posted by:

Benpike

Ah, the greatness of America is everywhere in the air, sure a Butch, who has already graced us with utterly inacurate information regaurding the Band's SNL endorcement of Carter, can share his supposedly "inside" information about Levon's private denousing of Clinton's private life; I'd love to hear Libby Tittus's take on Levon getting high and mighty about private morality! But in a country where someone like Scorsesse can rise from humble means to create a great work of popular art; you also have to put up with Tullfan's nonsense (no doubt from Rush)about Enron and then posting it, and then backpeddling from it. Thanks for calling him on the Repub disinformation Pat, but the fact is Dems, who DO deserve blame for colaberating with the deregulation right, at the same time did not "embrace" it as repubs do.

Notice my central point being totaly ignored: you could can imagine a Democratic Judge being influenced, or even prejudiced by his political veiwpoints in a given case or situation. What you can't imagine in this bold faced, utterly open corruption of what Starr has done, acting as "independent" counsel and then going off to campaign for his impeachment buddies! It is in his resistence to such sleazebuckets that Bill Clinton showed his greatness, as simple and beautiful as Richard Manuel's drumming. Muggles, it is simply the inability of the like of you to distigush between "war crimes" and "Monica" that permitted the nutball right to disgrace themselves with the partisan Impeachment. FDR? ah, well, he didn't have a right wing hate machine willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (paying witmesses to lie along the way, by the way, see "State Troopers") in utterly hypocritcal obsession with his sex life(and they lacked a sleazy mainstream press, crazed by greed, to help out) chomping at his heels. That was a pre Limbaugh America, where Ann Coulter was not on the box 24/7 telling us the constitution has nothing to do with privacy, where the win at any cost, amoral wingnuts of the right were treated as the jokes they were and are. Why? Because charactor counted, and Supreme Court Judges like Clarance the Dim did not give fire breathing political pep talks because, well, that's not what a SC judge is suppose to do. Before the days of the Punk Rock right, Charactor counted.

So the stories of great men like Bill Clinton and Levon Helm who overcame their shortcomings will inspire us, who care enough about the truth not to post misinformation about important things(Enron) or even trival ones(the Band backing Carter) to get back to an honest America, where the likes of slime like Starr and Barr can work at at "think tank"; cranking out the do do for the ditto heads. A reporter this past week meakly pointed out that after 8 years of firestorms about Clinton's Lincon bedroom sleepovers, no one has said a thing about Bush doing the same thing. "Well, there are a lot of bedrooms in the White House", the Bush people said. I guess some of us DO have stupid written on our foreheads. And by the way TFan, maybe some of that Tax money went to pay down the debt, already moving back to what it was in the bad old days.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 22:42:53 CEST 2002 from host245.olysteel.com (63.91.50.245)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Bumbles ( gosh that's cute ) wrote:

"As far as Rick Danko’s songwriting credit for “Sip the Wine,” I’d guess that an agreement was reached with Tim Drummond (as well as Rick’s numerous other “cowriters” on the album) as part of an attempt by Arista or Rick’s management to present him as a singer/songwriter, a role more in keeping for someone of his stature whether he in fact wrote songs or not."

My question is why would anyone be interested in your guess?

As for Butch's commentary -- do you have more reliable information to provide us? If so, we're all ears.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 22:38:43 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Sip The Wine

Thanks Bumbles for pointing out the Esther Phillips version of "...Lay Down Beside You". Although Ms. Phillips may have garnered more attention than the 1972 Tracy Nelson / Mother Earth LP, Ms. Nelson's version may well have caught Rick's attention as well since that album also contained covers of three Bobby Charles songs, "I'm That Way", "Tennessee Blues" & "Homemade Songs".

I'm staying out of the political fray, except to say that I cast my votes this past Tuesday down here in Georgia. Let me point out that both Bob Barr and that representative at the other end of the political spectrum, Cynthia McKinney, were soundly defeated in primary elections -- that is they lost to opponents from their own parties.


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Posted by:

Brian

Location: NY

Subject: Where's the Danko Remaster??

I've checked amazon, tower, and no one has it. i thought the release date was to be in the beginning of August.


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Posted by:

GAZZA

Location: DERBYSHIRE PEAKS

Subject: RORY GALLAGHER

"

"at last someone mentions the great rory gallagher.i noticed brown eyed girl mentions that rory is from cork!true not only a great musician but his other claim to fame is that he took the first ever fender stratocaster to ireland.for his u.k. fans rory can be seen on b.b.c.2 re runs of the classic rock programme of the 60s and 70s "the old grey whistle test"these will be shown through august and september 2002.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 21:42:01 CEST 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: To Pat Brennan

To clarify myself, there is certainly enough shame attached to Enron, Worldcomm, etc. to go around and around. No party has a monopoly on it or is free of guilt either. Ben's point (an I LIKE Ben, so my response was not meant to be personal, only a friendly nudge and I hope he takes it as such)of Clinton rising up from a disadvantaged past is a good and quite valid one, and that's what attracted many people, including myself, to him initially. Perhaps that is why the ensuing dissappointment is as great as it is. Clinton SHOULD have been one of our greatest presidents, and he had the ability to be great. But ultimately, he was his own worst enemy. Whatever one thinks of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Clinton himself should have known better, if not morally, then politically and strategically. FDR died with his mistress at his side, JFK had his affairs, but they were discreet about them and had them outside of the White House, etc. etc. Not to get tangled up in this and I am sorry to start....


Entered at Thu Aug 22 21:35:36 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-049.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.49)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Soul

I'll set out to track down the Esther Phillips album, and thanks. I aleady have a sudden desire to buy a Mary Wells compilation tomorrow, and this should fit the same area of the store. Hasd this sudden horrific realization that I only have about four Mary Wells tracks, which is not enough.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 21:33:04 CEST 2002 from rollingrock.taconic.net (205.231.149.33)

Posted by:

Gilberta Iman

Subject: Butch...Clintons

Butch, please explain why Levon would attend the "Innaugural gigs" of someone he "hates" ? (hate is one of those words which sends shivers down my spine and how awefull to hear it in referrence to Levon). Just curious. Did he like him BEFORE Monica ? Did Bill not give one of the roadies a cabinet appointment ? What ?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: the present
Web: My link

Subject: The present

Ben, it's 2002 already. Give it up. Your boy is gone, he's done. Starr didn't steal money, he wasted it. It's time to untape the Bill picture on your monitor and the reciept from the Arkansas Motel and put it to rest;)


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Sip the Wine/Bill & Levon

DAVID POWELL: If you’re tracking emotional intensity, your CD-R is sadly lacking its rightful high point: Esther Phillips’ original version of “To Lay Down Beside You” from her 1971 album “From a Whisper to a Scream.” Not only does Ms. Phillips’ version of the song inhabit a different universe from the others, it was also much more widely heard than the Nelson or Simon cuts, neither of which came from an album that made much impact. Produced by Creed Taylor, featuring new & recent songs by the likes of Allen Toussaint (the title track, of course) and Gil Scott Heron and backing from the likes of Bernard Purdie, Eric Gale et al., “From a Whisper to a Scream” was very high-profile at the time of its release, making both the jazz and rhythm and blues charts and earning a Grammy nomination for best female R&B vocalist (Aretha Franklin won and immediately handed the award to Ms. Phillips). As far as Rick Danko’s songwriting credit for “Sip the Wine,” I’d guess that an agreement was reached with Tim Drummond (as well as Rick’s numerous other “cowriters” on the album) as part of an attempt by Arista or Rick’s management to present him as a singer/songwriter, a role more in keeping for someone of his stature whether he in fact wrote songs or not.

Why would anyone be interested in political commentary from either a drummer or the guy who holds the pot & drives the car?


Entered at Thu Aug 22 21:18:19 CEST 2002 from user-1121919.dsl.mindspring.com (66.32.164.41)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Not that I care...

but I think it's pretty well documented that a) Enron donations ran about 70-30 Republican, and b) the largest single recipient of Enron largesse was the Texas Republican Party. Deregulation of energy trading was certainly a Republican-sponsored concept that Clinton embraced.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 20:45:19 CEST 2002 from user-1121aoj.dsl.mindspring.com (66.32.171.19)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Hate

Always love to see that word bandied about.

I think what Ben was saying is that Clinton came up a long, difficult road to end up in the White House, a Horatio Alger type of story. Whatever political position you care to adopt, Clinton's story has that built-in Americana, up-from-the-bootstraps thing that makes for good reading.

John D, there's an interview with Rick on site (early 1976 I think) wherein he talks about signing with Arista. It would be interesting to find out when his solo album was recorded, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was working on it in the fall of 76. I think his first solo tour was in 77.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 20:40:16 CEST 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ben, I'm impressed!

You are suddenly concerned about the American taxpayer! The $50 million Ken Starr was allocated certainly pales compared to Bill Clinton's 1993 tax increase. Where did THAT go? Additionally, it has come out recently that Enron's single largest political contribution went to Bill Clinton. I guess they only became crooks after Bill left office and could no longer keep them honest. Regarding Barr, I agree with you that he could be somewhat hard to take all the time, but he was defeated by another Republican incumbent whose district Barr suddenly found himself redistricted into, and thus requiring a primary. I am a little confused as to your continued support of Clinton, as I thought of you as a Democrat first and Clinton supporter second. I bring this up because Bill has publicly stated that although Hillary is not a presidential candidate in 2004, she certainly will be in 2008. All well and good for him to be proud of and support his wife, but the idea of her running in 2008 means either that Clinton does not believe Bush will be beaten in 2004 and will not work for that goal on behalf of other Democratic candidates, and assuming a Democrat wins in 2004, then Mrs. Clinton will challenge a Democratic incumbent in 2008! Seems to me that Bill, as always, puts himself first.


Entered at Thu Aug 22 20:26:49 CEST 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Muggles

Location: Boston

Subject: to butch and a little to ben

hi butch: i've just always been curious about this. i think i met you after a barnburners gig in shirley, massachusetts at the bull run. i gave you a story i'd written about attending a previous barnburners show at harper's ferry in allston, ma. i was waiting in the parking lot and wanted to give it directly to levon, but it got to be late and i saw you loading up the van so i thought you could pass it along. maybe it wasn't you. maybe you have no idea what i'm talking about.

buti was just wondering if levon ever got to read it and if it amused him at all. it'd be pretty great to know if i made someone smile just once in return for the thousands of times they've put a smile on their face.

if you have no clue what i'm talking about, feel free to ignore. just a meager fanboy who was curious, that's all. please come back to boston soon.

-muggles

andy_muggles@hotmail.com

ps-"There is something fudementaly decent about a country that produces a Bill Clinton"...uhhhhh...i'm neither to the right nor left, republican nor democrat, but you have to be joking me. let alone the whole monica embarrassment, there's a couple million people dying in the sudan from bill's slight miscalculation that (ooops!) wiped out most of their medical supplies. i love america too, but there's something fundamentally wrong with a populus that can't even recognize its own war crimes and a media/government that hides them.



Entered at Thu Aug 22 20:25:11 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

Go get 'em, Butch!

By the way, it was 15 years ago tonight that Bruce Springsteen joined Levon on stage for renditions of "Up On Cripple Creek" and "Lucille". There was a picture of them together in Rolling Stone a couple of weeks later. Sorry to have missed that show!


Entered at Thu Aug 22 20:07:30 CEST 2002 from spider-tk033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.188)

Posted by:

butch

ben sorry to burst your bubble,, but bill clinton & his hideous wife are an embarrassment to Levon ,

he feels clinton was a disingenuous liar & worse,,, he & his wife really HATE the clintons,,

& yes, we were all @ those inaugeral gigs,, but time was not kind to the clintons, & Levon aint shy about voicing his disgust with them,

just setting the record straight,


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Been listening to the Brown album all week, my heart swelling with pride over what a GREAT country this is. When crooked "judge" Ken Starr went down to campaign for fellow Clinton hater Bob Barr some cynics might have suggested this was the time for our tears. After all, this crook stole fifty million dollars from American Taxpayers, posing as "independent" prosacutor, now this "judge" comes right out and says Barr and he were both fighting the same battle! The press who gave this fake his legitmacy were of course silent. But Again, America is a great country, and in a move no one could have predicted, the voters threw out Barr(who outspent his rival two to one) and sent Starr and his fake Hollywood Patriot Charlie Heston packing! There is something fudementaly decent about a country that produces a Levon Helm or a Bill Clinton, and the whores of Fox News and there ilk can only fool them so long. "Where do we go from here?", looks like many more defeats for the election theives in the White House and the corperate crooks who bankroll them. For now, let's raise a toast with the first two Mrs. Barrs, and crank up "Rick Danko". What a town! What a Country!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rick/Pat Brennan

Just a follow up to the post that Pat made re: Rick signed to Arista before TLW. That is absolutely true. One night after one of the rehearsals at TLW everyone was sitting around and Rick knowing I was in radio said, "Hey I'll have to send you a copy of my solo album. It'l be out pretty soon." I think he may have already started working on it during the final days of The Band.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Sip The Wine

I have found two versions of Tim Drummond's "I Want To Lay Down Beside You", both released in the early '70s. The first was recorded by Joe Simon and the second by Tracy Nelson & Mother Earth. Except for very slight differences in their arrangements, they are identical to the song "Sip The Wine" that Rick Danko later released.

I'm a huge fan of Tracy Nelson and I've always liked Joe Simon's smooth blend of R&B soul with country. That said, as I've mentioned here before, I made a CD-R with all three versions back-to-back, Simon-Nelson-Danko. The result is like hearing the singers build on the instensity of the emotional level of the song. Joe starts out slow & smooth with a nice orchestrated arrangement, coming on strong at the end. Tracy then turns in her trademark fiery interpretation, taking it to another level. For me it culminates with Rick's performance, as he reaches down deep to tear at the heartstrings of that beautiful song. In the end, it doesn't matter to me who actually wrote the song -- Rick turned it into his own vehicle with his intense rendition.


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Posted by:

Fred

Hey trees need music, too!! Although maybe not Joan Baez...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Joan Baez serenades tree sitters, see link

Joan Baez, 'whose hits include The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' serenades tree-sitters in CA.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Kalervo,

Good to hear from you. It is very kind of you to ask about my son. Chris is currently two weeks into his recovery from a broken collarbone suffered during a summer league playoff game. He should be cleared to play just in time for the Varsity season beginning mid-October. I anxiously await the Flyers offer of a substantial signing bonus!!

He still talks often of his trip to Finland and meeting ex-Flyer Ilka Sinisalo.He has been blessed to see some wonderful places and meet many wonderful people at a young age as a result of his talents.

I hope all is well for you and yours.



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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi

Subject: Kiitos Bob W....

Thanks Bob W.: I have to get that Ram Dass' book..How' s your son? Looking for a first season in Flyers?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Bashfull Bill

Thanks for the info! BWNWIT: Sometimes the Kharma just goes your way!


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Pat: I believe the song you're referring to is 'Wonderful Wonderful Copenhagen" from the film "Hans Christian Andersen". And yeah.. TLW sounds alot like that one too.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

James Taylor was on 60 minutes Two with Charlie Rose last night, nice interview, wow I never realized how much he's overcome in his life, his parent's put him in a institution by 17, didn't get much better than that until "83" or so, he's been clean and sober for 17 year's or so..


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: The lousy soccer country

Subject: Non-existence

Ilkka: My friend ...you are so right: NOW doesn' t exist..That is why it is so wonderful! Science is just a defined example of non-truth, which is working in the horizontal playground...nothing to do with vertical NOW...

In Robbie' s music is this vertical side...I am so glad that he has been firm not be a endless recycler...


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Posted by:

Dr Zhivago

Location: the evil empire

Has anybody checked if Robber...er, Robbie has writer credits for Lara's Theme, too?


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Posted by:

A Shower Curtain

Location: Lubbock

Subject: Hank

Hank -- you two timing son of a bitch!! You said that pillow was just a fling...and I suppose all of those socks were just 'friends'. You pig.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

For those who care about such things, Bucky Baxter sat in on lap and pedal steel for Los Lobos' entire set in Nashville last week. At least, what there was of a set until it began to rain like a cow pissing on a flat rock.

(There were also lots of Vandy coeds, in lots of unexpected wet t-shirts as a result of said cow piss, so I went home, and couldn't stop thinking about them, and... sorry, I was still thinking about that last post.)


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Flatlanders, concerts in General

I just got back from a Flatlanders show, with John Eddie opening, and if anyone gets a chance to seem them I can stress strongly enough to grab that opportunity. Just a tremendous show all around. It's been a good summer. Dave Davies, Jorma, John Sebastian, remnants of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, The Doobie Brothers and the Flatlanders. Now if Levon would just come to CLeveland before the year is out. Butch? Is it a possible?


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Every Sperm is Sacred

Takamine Jumbo, Model No.EN 20C, circa 1980....all beat-up, scratched, sweat-stained and worn from the road.......

Simple EQ set-up of Volume, Bass and Treble......

The pickup, scratchy, in need of a service but sounding great thru any PA system, which is what Takamine are known for but, as it's a Jumbo, it sounds big and full even when unplugged.....which is handy when jumping into a pub session...........

Bought off of Declan Sinnott, well-known Irish guitarist/producer with Moving Hearts, Mary Black and Sinead Lohan (AND Band Fan), in 1990.

Martin SP Bronze Strings, 10s

One foot pedal - a white Boss tuner, a black leather strap and a black, hand-lever capo and one stainless steel slide.........

Hiscox Hardshell Case bought in England (in a shop in London where Brinsley Scwhartz works as a guitar repairman these days..........)

I plug straight in........go for a dry acoustic sound (ie. no reverb or echo)

I don't mind standing while I'm playing at all but I really enjoy sitting down and leaning into the music while rehearsing..........

The only thing that I can think of in sexual terms with regards to me and my working guitar is that the knobs are broken off the EQ set-up and I have to dig my fingers into it to adjust the settings.........

In all my years of performance I can honestly say I've never ONCE thought of masturbating on-stage. It's not a very hygenic thing to do in public and most people would probably get upset and leave the gig......... and anyone that would STAY would probably want you to do it again and again.......and that's GOTTA hurt........

I remember reading once that, in between 10CC and The Stones at Knebworth in 1976, a guy got on stage and polished himself off in front of a couple hundred thousand people.........I wonder if that's the kinda thing he'll tell his grandchildren in the future.....or right around NOW, seeing that it was 26 years ago.......then again, if he was wont to shoot his load all over the stage at rock concerts, he probably didn't have his own kids to have grandchildren...........

I wouldn't feel too comfortable talking about my own masturbatory past in here........It wouldn't be fair to all those pillows and shower-curtains I knew in my youth.....They could be reading this, y'know, and I wouldn't want to embarrass them.......

Thank-you to Bayou Sam, Diamond L'il and BEG for defending my honour in here.........and apologies to anyone offended by my post the other night........or by THIS one, for that matter.........

My Electric guitar is a Blade Tele.........with a wonderful fretboard.......

But that's another story...........


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Perhaps two years ago there was a discussion on the similarities between the LW theme and the openeing music for some old Danny Kaye movie about Hans Christian Anderson (as I barely recall). Actually, it was a pretty obvious lift. Like Sonny Terry said, take one note and it's stealing, take a lot of notes and it's research.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: JTull

Hey JTullfan, your favorite band got the cover and feature story in the current issue of Goldmine, my favorite music magazine.


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Posted by:

Lee

Jan, got the disc. Thanks. My old email addresses are now defunct


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Posted by:

Crazy Chester's question

Viney, did my reply to Chester go right over your head ?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Answers to Everything

Well, Tim Drummond's "I Want to Lay Down Beside You" appears to have the same tune and the same lyrics as "Sip the Wine" - and Tim Drummond played on the album, so some sort of deal has to be assumed.

Dr Zhivago played in the biggest cinema here for about two years and in resorts they don't bother too much about changing the attractions as there are new crowds every week, so I ended up seeing it several times for various social reasons. Tried it on DVD about a year ago, and to my surprise it's by no means brilliant. Seemed good at the time though.


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Posted by:

BUTCH

Subject: Weekend Blues

a Friendly Reminder, kids,,,,,,

Levon,,,, HUBERT SUMLIN,,,,,,,Jimmy Vivino ,,,,,,David Johanssen (sp?) & Mike Merritt,,,,,,,,

A Tribute To HOWLIN WOLF--------\

friday ---- nyc pier 16 south street seaport

Saturday ----- Same Lineup,,,,

The Stone Pony Asbury Park NJ

a show NOT TO BE MISSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see ya'll there,,,,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Doctor Zhivago

Aah...... yes.. the theme from the film "Dr. Zhivago" , also known as "Lara's theme", certainly does sound a whole lot like the Last Waltz theme! Or maybe it's The Last Waltz theme that sounds alot like Zhivago...considering that Zhivago's been around for a looooog time. That was the very first film I ever saw at a drive-in theater with my family. I was about 10 at the time, back when you had to hook that awful little box-like speaker to your car window. Back when drive-ins also showed double bills. Dr. Zhivago was playing with a film called "The yellow rolls royce". Heheh. Why do I remember that? Beats me! :-)

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: cornstalk

was at a carnival on the edge of jarvis, ontario, just this past saturday night. it was the annual cornfest and had 3 bands performing, powerhouse , five man electrical band, and april wine. jarvis is situated on highway 3, up from port dover, and equidistant from the boyhood home of rick danko, and the summer boyhood home of robbie robertson. i am sure levon would remember this town as he sped past in the early days of the hawks. first up in the show was powerhouse, who highlighted with a near perfect impression of joe cocker doing unchain my heart. next came the five man electrical band of signs fame. they have acknowledged rick danko for his inspiration and generosity in their early days. they mentioned that their ohter influences were the beatles and buffalo springfield, and did a couple of their tunes, but muscically you could hear a dash of chest fever and a pinch of up on cripple creek spicing up their own compositions. a favourite of mine called wolfman was done under a nearly full moon. april wine rocked the corn off the cobs, with an energetic two hour show, featuring their own rock classics, and an amazing fifteen minute drum solo by jerry mercer. i guess you could say king harvest did surely come.


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Posted by:

To Crazy Chester

What your wife heard somewhere was the Theme from "Dr. Zhivago". The feel and snatches of the Last Waltz melody are very much like the Zhivago Theme. Like "My sweet Lord" of Harrison's resembles "He's so fine", and "I want to lay down beside you" of Tim Drummond's is like "Sip the wine" of Danko's... :)

By the way The Last Waltz "Theme" is NOT a song. It's a tune. An instrumental composition. A tune becomes a song when lyrics are added to it. Ask Viney...he has all the answers to everything. .


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: John R. Cash

It is indeed a shame that this 1975 album is currently unavailable on CD. Even though it's basically Johnny Cash covering songs by others, his performances, along with the all-star cast of players, make it one of his better records of that era. Among the great pickers backing Mr. Cash on this album are James Burton, Reggie Young & Ry Cooder! There might be a ray of hope though -- Sony/Legacy has recently begun reissuing some of Mr. Cash's albums that have previously been hard to find or unavailable on CD. Even better news is that the Man in Black has completed another new album of recordings with Rick Rubin.


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Posted by:

Bones

As far as I know, they have never released Brother Ray Is At It Again (with "Ophelia")on compact disc. This is surprising since so much of his music is out on cd, but unfortunately most of his cds are all different compilations of greatests hits. Same with Johnny Cash, you'll find tons of Cash cds, but nowhere will you find John R. Cash (with "..Dixie" on it).


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Posted by:

Jamie

Subject: THOSE scenes

Gotta give it to the great Martin Scorsese for choosing the perfect "clubhouse" scenes to include. I don't know how many hours of footage were shot, but I trust that the best & most appropriate footage was used in the final cut. Marty is a great director for so many reasons. He is so good with capturing a moment in time and in doing so ensures his films will stand the test of time. I'm betting Marty knew that "ain't like it used to be" would be remembered as a great line in the film. For devoted Band fans, there are as many memorable lines in 20 minutes of dialogue as there are in 2 hours of some other classic films.

"It hasn't been the same since Sam the Lion died."


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Posted by:

Crazy Chester

Location: Illinois

Subject: Theme From the Last Waltz

My wife heard "Theme From The Last Waltz" while we were traveling this weekend. She swears she's heard the song in a movie soundtrack before. I don't remember that. Does anyone have a definitive answer?


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Rick/Bob

Sam, Rick actually signed a solo recording deal before the end of The Band was announced. He said he needed to be busier. He also spoke excitedely about the end of the group and the arrival of new musical challenges. Perhaps he discovered that once the group was done, he missed it more than he thought he would, which from our perspective would make all the sense in the world.

The Dylan shot was from a voting rights stump he did with Pete Seeger. Not sure of the date.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: NOW!/Bob Dylan/Photos/Old Time Religion

My friends KALERVO and BRAUN.. errr... BROWN EYED GIRL: _NOW_ does not exist. It could be something between the present end the future but even the nuclear physics (btw Bill Wyman's favourite science) can't measure it. Sorry :-)

I usually disagree with BAYOU SAM, even today. Yes, BOB DYLAN is definitely a great piano player!

Thanks for the great photos: SERGE, JOY, BROWN EYED GIRL. But BRIEN SZABO is The King Of Nature Photographing. After seeing his photos I was stroke by a lightning and the results can be seen by clicking My link. - Thanks to gb regulars for inspiration and thanks to Mr. Høiberg to make it happen!

Thanks for the posts on "Old Time Religion" - my favourite scene!!! (Don't tell Ragtime...)


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto, Canada

Subject: JTULL FAN /CHANGING THE BORDERS

I'm with you; but I always thought the mistake was making the border horizonatally. Let's make it vertically.........say the Mississippi River. That way I can either retire in Georgia, The Carolinas, Louisiana, Mississippi or Florida for example..........OR California if you guys want the east side -:)

I'm only semi-kidding here. I always thought we got the bad side of the deal with no warm place to live. Sorry Vancouver and Victoria are too rainy for me.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

just reading in here about "She Knows", I got that horrible feeling I get when I think that Richard is gone and can never put out more music.........I get the same feeling about Lennon sometimes..........sorry for the depressing post - I'm better now.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Richie = thanks for the Ron Wood/Graceland response.

Brien = no, it really wasn't for the women.

Hazy = you mentioned the scene in TLW with Rick in the studio listening to "Sip The Wine". We've analyzed that one in here before I think (I know I mean). I find it kind of sad in a way. When MS asks Rick what he's doing, and Rick pauses and says "Keeping busy" - it seems to me like the separation of The Band has him kind of bummed out. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone?

Rosalind = sorry, but my memories of Hank's gig don't include noticing how he wore his guitar. The wore it so he could comfortably strum it I'm sure.

I saw "Don't Look Back" at a local theatre last night. I don't think I'd ever seen it all the way through. It was great. I didn't remember Alan Price (Animals keyboard player) being in it. He's kind of sad, booze swigging figure in it. There's a sort of sad scene where Dylan asks if he's still playing with The Animals and he's looks down and says "no, these things happen" - then he starts to pace around and stops to play the piano......I loved the little scene where the still folkie/acoustic Dylan is staring at a bunch of electric guitars in the window of a music shop and says something like "look at these guitars, we don't have anything like this in the states"......I have a question for the serious Dylan heads out there - there is a wonderful old clip of Zimmy singing for a handful of people behind a truck on a farm in what must be '61 or '62. What is that from?, and is there more of that performance out there.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: ANDY R

I have read your posts with avid interest for many months now. At the risk of embarrassing you I'd just like to say that you are one unpretentious son of a gun. Gratuitous namedropper you are most certainly not. Muchos gratias notre ami.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Brother Ray / She Knows

Thanks Andy for sharing your insight on Ray Charles' influence on Richard. Brother Ray of course gave a tip of the hat to The Band when he recorded "Ophelia" on his 1980 album "Brother Ray Is At It Again".

Some background on "She Knows" -- The group Bread, known for their saccharine blend of soft rock, was started by David Gates, James Griffin & Rob Royer, who were joined by drummer Mike Botts. Royer left the group in 1972 and was replaced by the talented Larry Knechtel. "She Knows", written by Griffin & Royer, was first recorded during Bread sessions in 1973, but not released at the time. It first surfaced on Griffin's 1974 solo album "Breakin' Up Is Easy" and as a single. A version is also included in the Bread retrospective CD set. As Peter Viney previously mentioned, Ray Charles covered it on his 1978 Atlantic album "Love & Peace", which unfortunately is not available on CD.


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Posted by:

Fred

JTull: regarding your trade..uhm no, unless you throw in Hawaii, 2 states to be named at a later date and your first round draft choice.

funny thing though about the great province of Ontario it really should be two provinces: In many ways the north/northwest is quite different (socially, economically, culturally)from the south/southeast.

In all actuality the nation itself is very quirky. Historically (prior to Confederation in 1867) trade (and other social activity) worked on a north-south axis rather than an east-west axis. For example Canadians in southern Ontario dealt more with Americans directly to their south (NY State). You can still see this today. If we didn't get our transcontinental railroad constructed in the late 19th century Canada as we know it today wouldn't exist... and the Band would have been just 5 guys from the States.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Fiction

Dave H., Shelby Foote authored The Civil War: A Narrative, widely considered to be the best written account of the woah. That would supposedly put him in the area of non-fiction. For most historians however, the work is considered flawed; although Foote listed his sources, he didn't footnote them. Personally, I love the work but I would only quote from it in conversation.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Ray Charles songs...

Peter Viney: Richard got "She Knows" via Ray Charles singing it. I had every Ray Charles album and sometimes did a whole radio show on WDST-FM in Woodstock featuring a specific artist. I had a show called "Blues Break with Andy Robinson" for several years on Sunday nights 9pm to 12 pm. I stopped doing the show when I started going on the road with The Band and various combinations thereof e.g. Rick/Richard..Rick & Levon/ Rick, Richard, Butterfield, Levon Helm & the Woodstock Allstars etc.I also was the source for Rick singing "I Wish You Were Here Tonight" also from a 1980's Ray Charles album.

A funny memory...I was given a tape of Ray Charles rehearsals with Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Records from 1953, shortly before Ray cut his first sides for Atlantic. You hear him writing "Mess Around" and "Blackjack" with Ahmet as well as running through a bunch of other material. I made a copy of this tape for Richard which he loved. He then went back to California, made a bunch of copies of that tape and gave it to every piano-playing friend of his!!! I used to kid him about this saying "Hey Rich, Ray Charles called, he wants his royalties from your distributing that rehearsal tape!!" We both laughed!!!

Incidentally, posters might want to check out Ray Charles biography "Brother Ray". I was amazed to read that his last name was the same as mine...Robinson!!! He dropped the Robinson because he didn't want to be confused with "Sugar" Ray Robinson, the boxer, so he just wanted to be called Ray Charles!!!

Peace

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: THe Band in Canada/Charlie Young

Charlie, I am envious of you for having the opportunity to travel by train through the Canadien Rockies. Always been one of my goals to do that. I'm not surprised you did not encounter much of the Band there, for if you look at the map, we are closer, in Virginia (and probably all the way down to Northern Florida) to Toronto, Simcoe, etc., than Western Canada! It's seems odd that SOuthern Ontario is physically part of Canada at all, being wedged between Detroit and Buffalo. Maybe we could trade parts of Maine, Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and the Aleutian Islands for it to straighten out the border a bit!


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Perfect - the life is NOW

Brown Eyed Girl: Oh yes...Now when I read What About Now, it is the perfect song of the Now! Thank Youuu reminding me...Robbie has touched the Truth in that song and in many other songs. Especially in his solo works.....And he is showing through his art that the artist/human being in truth can' t rely on nostalgia too much.

Tolle' s book is a wonderful piece of work...Look at the web site...


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: The "Now"

If the"now" is a subject of interest there is a wonderful book worthy of your time. I'm sure many here know of it.

Check out "Be Here Now" by Baba Ram Dass aka Richard Alpert.

"Be Here Now" and "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig have resided side by side on my bookshelf for a long time. Both are well worth the investment.



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Kalervo and The Power Of Now

Hei Kalervo: I was thinking about the book you recommended to me THE POWER OF NOW by Edward Tolle.......It reminded me of Robbie's WHAT ABOUT NOW....What do you think?...:-D

..................

"We don't talk about forever
We just catch it while we can
And if I grab on to the MOMENT
Don't let it slip away out of my hand

Chorus

What about now
Forget about tomorrow
It's too far away
WHAT ABOUT NOW
Close your eyes
Don't talk of yesterday
It's too far away, too far away
WHAT ABOUT NOW"

..................


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: "She Knows"

Hazey D: David Powell has noted here before that "She Knows" appears on a 1978 Ray Charles album, Love & Peace (which I've never managed to track down) and it would seem likely that the Ray Charles version would be Richard's source for the song.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: "This Wheel's On Fire" literature?

I was perusing the Counting Crows FAQ file and stumbled across the following:

***
Q: What literature has [singer] Adam [Duritz] read?
A: Adam has read works by Shelby Foote, William Kennedy, James Thurber, Hohn [sic, should be "John"] O'Hara, and Levon Helm.
***

Levon's keeping some nice company there! But does this lend credence to the argument that "TWOF" is a work of fiction?!? ;-)


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: From Western Canada to South Florida...

I'm finally back home after spending eight days on vacation in British Columbia and Alberta, followed by a short return home and then a work conference in South Florida (talk about a contrast in locations and climates!).

I loved Vancouver and Victoria in British Columbia as well as the train ride I took into the Canadian Rockies. Jasper National Park--with 2.7 MILLION acres of unspoiled, spectacular mountains, glaciers, rivers and wildlife--was the most truly awesome, breathtaking scenery I've ever witnessed in person.

My only disappointment was that the only trace of The Band I came across in all that beautful Canadian travel was one song I heard over the restaurant sound system at the Plaza Hotel in Kamloops, British Columbia. Oddly enough, it was "Ophelia," sung by the only non-Canadian in the group, of course...


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: On the Nickel...

Subject: Hazey Davey's comment

I was so taken aback by the comments in the Gb today that I forgot to respond to something said here addressed to me. It's those testosterone-driven males with no "internally-driven love for music that have been giving us all the half-assed musicianship that we've been forced to endure for ever. It also gives us bad art, bad writing, bad sportmanship and bad movies. But God, What would the world be without all these rotten testosterone-driven films and rotten books and rotten music? It would be better for all of us if 99.9.9 percent of these losers were selling used cars! That was the point I was trying to make! I have this same problem with anyone while talking on this subject...nothing new under the sun for me.

Rod Steiger said something several years ago that made a mark on me. He said, "When someone walks up to me and tells me they want to be an actor, I say to them "Do you want to be an actor or do you need to be an actor?" And he will be able to tell in the amount of time it takes them to answer that question, whether it is in their souls to do it or not.

If I'm not wanted here, this will be my last post. Most of you people bum me out anyway! Especially what-her name? "Christina, Christina Get Me The Axe"

Speakin' of the axe, I'd still like to know how Hank holds his guitar. You can tell alot about a musician by watching that.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: no more chocolate for me!

Doug: Ooops!!! I meant if ya want a MORE "sanitized" version......ya know....with no edge......:-D....Sorry....I did just eat a half a brownie.....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Doug and Old Time Religion

I have to agree with your initial reaction to this jam in TLW Doug....If ya want a less "sanitized" version.....but shhhhhh......don't tell Peter Viney.....Pete Seeger and Arlo Guthrie.....Oh yes...if we're gonna talk about addictions there is Jane's...;-D....Btw....I have the book FROM CHOCOLATE TO MORPHINE which is a fascinating read......See I always felt so lucky that coffee was never in my system.....but then I forgot......it's in chocolate!!!!!


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Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: "SHE KNOWS"

HAZY DAVY - THE SONG "SHE KNOWS" WAS WRITTEN BY JIMMY GRIFFIN FROM THE GROUP BREAD. HE RELEASED IT ON AN EXCELLENT SOLO ALBUM AROUND 1976. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS ALBUM IS AVAILABLE ON CD. BUT, HIS VERSION CAN BE HEARD ON THE BREAD RETROSPECTIVE COMPILATION. HAVE NOT EVER HEARD HOW THE SONG GOT TO RICHARD, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD BET THAT HE HEARD IT ON THAT ALBUM. HOPE THAT HELPS FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS. KJB


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Thanks John (you show off! :-)

Aah... a musical post! That was great John D.. thanks. I guess there are many many different versions of that tune, but nothin beats Rick on that fiddle :-)

Chronic insomnia tonight. Already tried a double shot of "Nyquil"... the achy, sneezy, coughy, knock-me-on-my-head medicine..and I'm still awake. Hmmm... couldn't be the extra-large, french-vanilla iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts that I just finished...could it? :-)

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan. Read your mail.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Old Time Religion

In 1887, Charles D. Till­man (Born: March 20, 1861, Tallassee, Alabama) be­gan his ca­reer as a sing­ing evan­gel­ist. Tillman (a white man) formed his own mu­sic pub­lish­ing house, and put out 20 Gos­pel song col­lect­ions. He was the first to pub­lish the old negro spir­it­u­al Old-Time Religion, which he heard blacks sing­ing at a camp meet­ing in Lex­ing­ton, South Car­o­lina. Died: September 2, 1943, Atlanta, Georgia.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Spinal Tap

Someone a while back mentioned Spinal Tap in relation to TLW, which got me thinking about Spinal Tap and how of all the most obvious, stereotypical rock musician things to lampoon, alcohol and drug abuse didn't really play a part in that fine film. Unless you count that one of Spinal Tap's various dead drummers choked on vomit, though it was someone else's, and, as I believe "Nigel Tuffnel" noted, you can't dust for that.

I saw that movie with about the last $5 I had at the time, and considered it money well spent.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Losing My (Old-Time) Religion

Uh-Oh...I said too much.......


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Posted by:

Jon

Location: Missouri

Subject: Amazing Grace

A wicked seaman, sea captain, and slave trader turned minister and abolitionist in 18th century England, John Newton wrote many hymns that are still popular in churches around the world today, but none are as well known as Amazing Grace.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Amazing Grace & Old Time Religion & Brown Eyed Girl

Amazing Grace was written by an Englishman who ran slave ships for many years -- one day he had a moment of clarity or some sort of epiphany and realized all of the horrors he had been responsible for. At that moment he penned the song while reflecting on his life (it says something about saving a wretch like me). You’ll get chills next time you hear it knowing the inspiration makes it one of the biggest tear-jerkers I can think of.

Not sure about Old Time Religion -- but my only previous memory was a movie I saw many years ago about the ' Scopes Monkey Trial' in Tennessee. The creationist side was singing it outside the courthouse as a plea to reject the evils of Darwinism and go back to 'that old time religion'. I actually associate it with a really rigid, southern, protestant genre rather than a black spiritual -- probably because of that movie.

Brown Eyed Girl -- interesting about "Sex and drugs and rock and roll...that's all my brain and body needs". It is also at the beginning of a Jane’s Addiction song -- always gave them credit.


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Posted by:

Rosalind P. Richardson

Location: RainCity (Seattle)

Subject: Oh Boy!

I have this picture in my head of this Di_mond Lil person. She's running hysterically from guestbook to chatroom with a paring knife in her hand. She reminds me of Joan Crawford in "Mommy Dearest"

Does anyone here know what a (wink) means? I guess not. A wink means "I'm just teasing you". Hank, I call you Cork because your in Ireland, and you know how them Irish are (wink) From what I hear in here your a pretty damned good musician, and you probably know it. You don't sound a bit rabbit eared to me ( for those who don't know what "rabbit eared" means, it's a baseball term meaning "sensitive to teasing"). and that masturabation crack, you know what they say about guitar player on stage...(wink) That's all in the world I meant.

As Woody said to his neighbors in Pampa, just before he hit the dusty trail. You folks sure are D-e-p-r-e-s-s-i-n'.


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Posted by:

Bill

Hazy Davy: I don't see why an Englishman couldn't write a Spiritual. In any case, I believe "Amazing Grace" was a written by a reformed alcoholic (a state not confined to any particular nationality). As to "Old Time Religion", I suspect you're correct in thinking it can't be all that old, or there'd be no nostalgia. Come to think of it, it's perhaps odd that the song became popular in Black churches (if it did), as I'd have thought that Blacks in general (in the US, Canada and some other places) would not have been as nostalgic for "the good old days" as many Whites seem to have been. "The Stones I Throw", written for a reason, is less than 40 years old.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Old Time Religion

I have sheet music here to "Gimme Dat Old Time Religion", no composer, Adapted and arranged by J.Rosamund Johnson, copyright MCMXL,(I'm bad at roman numerals.. is that 1940?) by Edward B. Marks Music corporation.

Gimme dat old time religion, Gimme dat old time religion
Gimme dat old time religion, Lord it's good enough for me
It was good for the hebrew children, it was good for the hebrew children
It was good for the hebrew children, and it's good enough for me
It will do when the world's on fiah, it will do when the world's on fiah
It will do when the world's on fiah, and it's good enough for me.


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River

Subject: Calling All Equiptment Heads

Just wondering if anyone happens to know what amplifiers Robbie used on "Rock of Ages" and the "Last Waltz". I know he used a Tele on ROA and a Strat on TLW and I'm sure that his amp set up is differrent too. By the way... I think his ROA guitar tone is much better than TLW

Peace


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Rory Gallagher

Sorry Peter.....I was just fooling about the Gallagher brothers.....and no....I wasn't thinking about the other Gallagher brothers either.....lol...Besides B.B. King......Rory was one of the first blues guitarists I probably heard because he was one of the first to combine Irish blues with rock.....Hey Hank.....He also grew up in Cork of all places....:-D


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Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: The Old School

Subject: How Old Is Old Time Religion?

Several posts on this thread have pointed up that "Give Me That Old Time Religion" is an old song from simpler times. It made me wonder...is it?

Or is it like "Amazing Grace" which for years I thought was an old Spiritual but was in fact written by an Englishman (if memory serves).

A quick Googlesearch reveals one site that says "Give Me That Old Time Religion" is of obscure origin & was popularized in what were called Negro Churches and traveling Gospel Shows.

I'd find it hard to believe that it's a terribly old song; if it were old, then to what old-time religion does it refer?

Anybody have any light to shed? Mr. Viney? This seems to be up your alley.

My guess: It's not all that old, and is in fact a white (dare I say cracker?) song adopted by, fostered up and improved by African Americans.

Leads to two other brief thoughts: I can't find ANYTHING about "She Knows" sung by Richard, and I'd love to know more about that song; and, what are some of the really rootsy artists that birthed the Band? White and black, folk and country: What would be an "Essentials" list of those recordings? Was the Band influenced, as Dylan was, by the "American Anthology of Folk Music" compilation? And is that compilation worth the stiff price tag? Or should one get "Whispering Pines" first? (I know, I know...get both...)

Have y'all discussed this before? Mind doing it again? Good evenin' for now, thanks for some pleasant exchanges and I bid thee farewell. I'm off to book club.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Viney and Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll

Peter: I had to laugh....because you reminded me of....."Sex and drugs and rock and roll...that's all my brain and body needs".....Ian Dury and The Blockheads...I am forever reminded of this song that epitomizes a certain lifestyle in the music biz....I was also reminded of "Wake Up and Make Love To Me" and "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick"....Yes even Ian didn't let the challenges in his life get in the way of his needs.....The song became an anthem really....especially since this was before the age of Aids.......Oh and then there was "Sweet Gene Vincent".....Btw...Was pianist Mickey Gallagher the brother of Rory?



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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Stones libido

Wow - no wonder Bill Wyman was always chewing a condom


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Ole Time Religion - again sorry

Sorry Doug and Hazy - I did also mean to say that I do agree with your take that MS and possibly RR saw the evocative/nostalgic possibilities and deliberately incorporated the whole cameo plus RR's quip into the film just prior to TNTDODD as you infer. It does work so wonderfully the more you ponder it.

By the same token of course with any art you CAN read anything into anything - or everything as the case may be.

Whatever. It is a great moment from whichever perspective you view it. Intuitive celebration enshrined in pathos. You can't ask for much more than that from a shot in what is after all a rock movie.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: New Van single / sex, drugs & rock & roll

I know that the average reader here is not a CD single buyer. Well, walk into that thrumming CD single section between Shakira, Britney etc, and seek out the new Van Morrison CD single, ‘Meet Me In the Indian Summer.’ The title track is a totally different unreleased orchestral version of the song, which is superb. Get it if you like the “Down the Road” album. This is followed by ten and a half minutes of “In the Afternoon / Raincheck” (actually it’s the full medley “In the Afternoon / Ancient Highway / Raincheck / Joe Turner Sings”) recorded in Newcastle in March this year and “In the Midnight” from the same venue. Anyone into Van NEEDS this single immediately, and there is no duplication with previously-owned versions.

The stuff on musicians as ‘predatory males’hit my eye just as I got to the bit in Stephen Davis’s biography of The Stones where they sat and compared notes in 1966, three years into their career. The count listed was Bill Wyman – 250, Brian Jones – 130, Mick Jagger-30, Keith Richard – 6, Charlie Watts – 0. First, Stephen Davis thought it worth mentioning, which says something about his style. Second, only Bill and Brian had kept an accurate count (both obsessively). Musicians have an image, as do travelling salesmen with farmer’s daughters (so much so that Hollywood decreed the two could not be mentioned in the same breath in the 1930s). But it’s “seaside dirty postcard” stuff that assigns similar instincts to such unrelated groups as plumbers, long-distance truck drivers, lead guitarists and hellfire preachers. Maybe I’ve led a very sheltered life, but I’d think Keith was between average and below-average given his age. Strong medication doesn’t help, I guess. Bill and Brian had a problem, and Bill was the least obviously attractive of the five which might account for the obsession. Mick had the charisma and opportunity and it still works out as less than one a month. There’s less of it about than the tabloids would have us believe. There are predatory males in every office and factory in every land. And there are non-predatory ones too. I once had a desk next to a guy who had two lists on his pinboard: 1) total lifetime number 2) number of nationalities. Needless to say he was a total arsehole. And he was not a musician


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Old Time Religion

Thanks much to Hazy, Joe, Bones, John and others … I enjoyed the different perspectives. I guess I still find Robbie’s comments ambiguous -- and I am certainly content to leave it at that as ambiguity is always more interesting.

Regardless of intent, I do think that with the broader themes of TLW in mind, Scorsese did intentionally frame the comment to give a sense of lost opportunity. Look at the way the comment is immediately punctuated by the melancholy horns of the ‘Drove Ol’ Dixie Down’ prelude. He also lets the scene hang a bit as they transition into the performance. I don’t think I would have had such a sinking feeling without the horns and the overall effect.

With that said, TLW is the best rock film I have ever seen –and the Band doesn’t stop surprising me with the sheer beauty of their music. I like your description Hazy -- ‘frequently wonderful on every level at the same moment’


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Old Time Religion

The short "jam" of Old Time Religion" is a throwback to simpler times musically and historically.

I don't believe it has anything to do with The Band, Religion or anything other than a comment on the times in which that tune would have been the staple of the day.

Now......... if I did want to look deeper into that quick one liner I would say that in the times that "old time religion" would have been popular, it would have been just a few friends sitting around a campfire; or at a religious camp meeting just performing for the LOVE of a simple tune. Not in the NOW (1976) era of lawyers, publicists, promoters, fighting over songwriting, roadies, media hype, entourages, dope dealers etc........in other words from the times of friends sitting around playing a simple tune to it now becoming A MUSIC BUSINESS. Just a thought.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: Bill's question

Roger's memory seems to be kinda hit and miss, like most of us, but he might be able to help you out. Send me an e-mail at k_roybal@lanl.gov and I will connect you two. He's on his way back to Tulsa this morning. K


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Old Time Religion

I think we are thinking a little too hard about what was a casual moment. I think someone in here even criticized Robbie's singing. He had a pick in his mouth for crying out loud! I think it was a wonderful light-hearted scene which showed the type of songs they would play when they were hanging out in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: Remember The Glen!

Checkin in for the firsttime since Fri, scrollin along and I saw a WG thread from a fewdays back. What Iknow/recall regarding the questions:one of the parachutists was a guy from Syracuse, who was known to parachute into various events. around 77 or 78, I was talking with him in the wonderful old Firebarn Tavern, his recollection was that they were playing The Weight as he floated downward, he even sang "take a load off Fanny" as he told the tale. I had waaaay too much fun that day, 73 and 74 were the years I was truly dedicated to destroying my brain cells, and I have few recollections of The Band's set. But, The Dead's soundcheck the night before, which I caught from only a few steps from the stage(alas, I didnt catch the other soundchecks), was fantastic. Once again, I was in no shape to judge anything the next day, (I mainly recall the crowd startling me by roaring and getting to their feet at the opening notes of Sugar Magnolia, then I sank back into oblivion), but popular opinion is that they truly sucked that day.


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Posted by:

Bill

Kay: Thanks for the post. I've been meaning to ask you if Roger Tillison would be able to suggest which months of which years he was hanging around and playing with Levon in California in the '60s. This would certainly help those of us who care about such things in our efforts to piece together an accurate chronology.

John W: You're right that the talk of empire is overblown. Nevertheless, you have to keep in mind that the Romans had to go to other places to worry the locals, whereas nowadays all you need is the ability to fling things from the other side of the world. It's both good news and bad news that there's only one country with enough things to fling to worry everyone everywhere.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

A tragic story from the beautiful Catskills. Ironic in light of the wave of child related incidents sweeping the country. Life is so incredibly fragile.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: barnburner's photos

Joy Munsey: Wonderful photos of Levon and the Barnburners (and the ever-photogenic Butchie Crocker :-) Thanks for sharing!

I asked this many many moons ago, but since there are alot of new folks in here now, I'll ask again. Does anyone have a tape of Rick doing DFA's 'Your Eyes', anywhere... live? If you do... pleeaaase mail me. Thanks.

d_lil@hotmail.com


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Posted by:

Kay

Location: New Mexico

Subject: JJ Cale and friends

Bill and others who are interested:

John Cale played at the Paramount in Santa Fe last night, same club the Barn Burners played 18 mos. ago but it was alot more crowded on the bandstand. Roger Tillison and Walt Richmond (keyboard player for Rick Danko and Bonnie Raitt) came over from Tulsa and joined the other guitar players (the Dons and Christine Lakiland), Bill Raffensperger on bass, Rocky Frisco (who has been known to sign the GB) on organ and Jimmy Karstein and Jim Cruce on percussion (didn't see any drums). There was alot of em but they were clearly having a great time up there.

They played an hour with 30 minutes of encores, did Call Me The Breeze, After Midnight and Cocaine (of course), Magnolia, Cajun Moon and Crazy Mama. John stuck around and signed stuff, talked to fans and was a real gent in every way. They are touring in Colorado, and NM was lucky enough to get in on a free night between Durango and Steamboat Springs. Not exactly on the way, but in that bus I'm sure it was easy traveling.



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Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: The Woodshed

Subject: mmmm-hmmmm

Yes Joe you have summed it up beautifully; RR's offhand remark resonates all the more profoundly as time goes by, as do remarks by Richard and Rick. As we move through the gyres of time, the music of The Band itself seems to resonate all the more deeply. I think it's a lasting contribution to humankind. I really do.

Leaving the Oak St. Cinema, I couldn't believe how heavy TLW has gotten as time has passed, and things have happened. That scene with Rick alone in the studio: How "alone" it felt. And for the first time I thought: "My God! He's such young man, and there's so much ahead for him. They're all young, really."

I'm planning on buying that new "Whispering Pines" CD and I'm sure I'll felel the same way about that....but, this is how I learn to just keep going, joyfully, through the Changes.

OK gotta lighten up:

Hank: thanks for chiming in on that Ol' Time Religion, ego or no I liked it, and thanks for the guitar tip a couple weeks back, and I finally figgered out a way to get to your Website. Nice. Let me know if you're up Minnesota way, playing at the Cabooze (I believe Levon helm and the BBs have appeared there, yes?) And, since you're in Cork, please do try to see Preston Reed, a masterful guitar player, good friend of mine, lives in Glasgow and gigs a lot in Ireland. You will enjoy and be impressed, methinks. & tell him I said Hello.

Rosalind, it ain't ego, it ain't "more pussy than Frank Sinatra" (speaking of offhand remarks...) it's the music initially and after that, a drive or compulsion, almost, to practice, play, improve, learn more tunes...I'm raising three boys and a child-rearing book I like (it's called The Wonder of Boys) says that all kids and especially we testosterone-driven males need to channel our intense energy into something -- and a good parent helps a kid find healthy ways to do that. like sports, computers, dance, even collecting stuff like stamps or rocks; for me as a kid it was books, then writing, rock music, now guitar -- anybody who masters anythin artistic really has my respect, because I know it takes hours and countless hours of work just to get a few chops together.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Reading Hank's post, as well as some of the commentary on the Internet from The Guardian and others, I guess I must be missing something. I keep seeing references to this American "Empire", the evidence of our colonization of the world being Coca-Cola, MTV and the Dow Jones. I thought empires were built by forceful takeover and troops, at least that would be the model from the Romans to the Spanish and British to the Soviets. If the U.S. is truly an Empire, you would think Canada and Mexico would be protectorates governed by American appointees, certainly you would think Germany and Japan would be forced to speak English, and Western Europe would be enslaved by American force (as Eastern Europe was for 40 years when the war ended). My understanding is that the U.S. not only has NOT enslaved these nations, but in fact has spent trillions of dollars helping keep them free from first the Germans and then the Russians, then to rebuild, assisting during national disasters, contributing to scientific advancements, etc. Now that WE face a crisis, most of these nations we did NOT enslave (and helped so much economically) are turning to run, telling us we are on our own, an imperialistic empire acting unilaterally (except Britain and Australia, that is). So I really don't understand the lack of gratitude and the "Empire" name-calling.


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Posted by:

Bill

This real or imagined switching of guestbook names makes me think of two songs: "I Am The Walrus" - "I am you and you are we and we are all together" - and "Kama Sutra" - "In position thirty two, you were me and I was you". Speaking of nicknames, which, if any, did any of our guys use, other than Dick Handle and Campo Malagua?


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Ole time Religion

Had another look.

I think I see what's emerged here.

I don't think Robbie at the time meant anything profound at all by his remark. It was simply a nice amusing sociable thing to say. Without doubt a throwaway.

Point is though as we are now able to reflect on it and ponder it with the benefit of received wisdom it DOES fit in beautifully with the broader metaphorical ageing of The Band, its bretheren and its music.

So with hindsight and in the context of the film and what's happened since it is indeed possible to draw all the analogies that so many have done.

Quite beautiful really though in a sad and poignant way.


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Posted by:

t-dawg

Location: New England

Subject: audio tapes

Can the tapes listed in the tape archives section of this site be traded or bought? I am interested in a specific tape but dont know if the audio tape are available? who has these tapes?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: various

JTull: Amen, to your response to me.

First there was Patrcia, then that lunatic woman around the time of the Presidential Election, (Linda was it?) Now it looks as if Rosalind is next in line to fill the void. Or is the voice the same? The medication different, who's next? Sybil..,

Now B. Sam, come on! Be honest, NEVER for the women? It's ok to admit that some portion was for the women. No one is that dedicated to just the sole art of music.

As for ego, everyone has ego. Especially those who perform at high levels of their craft and artists (really generalizing here). The trick is keeping it in check and being humble.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: this and that

Also would have loved to see that performance of Strawberry Wine. Is it the heat or what? So many of us are just giving each other shit for no reason, even people I like out here. Not going to single anybody out but CHILL! It's just a GB, not gospel. If we remove every post we disagree with or every poster we don't like, we will all be left with just ourselves to talk back to. I disagreed with parts of Ben Pike's last post, but so what? He didn't attack me, it wasn't personal, and he had a right to say it, and I enjoyed reading it. That's what it's all about folks.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Hank in NYC

Uhhhhh Bronx Sam.....You forgot that Hank not only had his guitar in his hands.....but......the audience!......

When I saw Hank perform solo and with Open Kitchen I found him to be very charming, talented, and he possessed a great memory for tunes by many artists.....Besides playing his own tunes, Band tunes.......He made my day by playing Louuuuuu tunes......just for me.....and I didn't even have to ask!!!!!!....I wonder how he knew that I have a real thang for New York's son???.....;-DD

Looking forward to the Bluezzzzz Cruise in NYC with Levon, Sumlin and Johansen......I might be the one wearing a Big Pink t-shirt....and catching a Musical which features the music of Keb'Mo'!


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: personal attacks

Rozalind: I very rarely even read your posts, but I saw something directed at Hank that caught my attention. If, in the future..you have any more opinions.. please don't include the rest of us in them. _"We"_ don't "know" anything from the way Hank spaces his sentences (which is a ludicrous remark at best anyway). If _you_ do.. than say so. Don't speak for me or anyone else here.
And as far as the rest of your little paragraph about Hank goes.. it was crude and uncalled for. I had the pleasure of hearing hank perform in NYC, and found him to be one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He has never personally attacked anyone in here. I think you owe him an apology.

have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity (where it hasn't rain in months)

Subject: Highs and Lows

Bayou Sam__ I am curious. Does Hank wear his guitar high or low ? I like that clutching the mid-section look, it's emotional. The pelvis deal I don't like, it looks too damned heavy-metal for me.

Richie_ Thanks fella. I'll try to keep you up. I only got two speeds tho. "Fast" and "Sleep" It's 4:10 am. I hate it when I have a night off.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Hoskyns / Strawberry Wine

A couple of flippant posts (one about Flippo) can run you into trouble. My point was that the notes to the box set, as others have said too, are dull and uniformative and we do expect detailed and accurate information from expensive “definitive” editions (i.e. definitive until the next remaster a couple of years later). Not even the track accreditations are accurate. I think that Just A Guess (How are you doing old pal?) is correct in stating that the “man in charge thinks Hoskyns is an arsehole” because that is why we were told, that Hoskyns’ notes on the remasters got canned, when the “man in charge” realized that Hoskyns was the biographer who had made disparaging remarks about his solo career and driving black BMWs at the end of a biography that the “man in charge” says he never read. I disagree with most of what Hoskyns had to say on the solo careers in his book (far too negative) and remarking on the colour and make of Robbie’s car was crass, snotty and pointless. It was a BMW not a gold-plated Lamborghini with real tiger fur seats, nor a 1913 Ford Model-T that he’d inherited from his grandfather, which might have been worth mentioning. According to Just A Guess we are all huddled so tightly on this little island that Hoskyns must be “my buddy” though we have never met, nor corresponded. Though I always give my fellow GB posters a wave as I pass their houses.

Butch – sorry to have caused offence with my remark about “Strawberry Wine”. It’s one I’ve made before in a couple of contexts. One was wondering why various bands (RCO All stars, Woodstock All stars, LH All stars, the 90s Band) never performed either Strawberry Wine or Jemima Surrender, when I thought a lot of the R&B / blues material that they did play was less interesting melodically and lyrically to these Levon co-compositions. While I don’t think ‘Strawberry Wine’ is up there with the true blues greats (the sort of Smokestack Lightning, Mannish Boy, I’m A Lover Not a Fighter territory), it’s certainly as good as ‘Stuff You gotta watch’ and other fairly generic blues. Jemima Surrender was one of the great non-performed Band songs. Most of the senior blues greats cut A LOT of stuff and a lot was generic. Anyway I’m glad Jimmy Vivino called it and Levon played it – I wish I’d been there to hear it.

Picked up Marty Grebbs “Smooth Sailing” in Tower sale at half price. Astonishing array of sidemen – Amos Garrett, Taj Mahal, Bill Payne, Jim Keltner, Steve Cropper … that’s only the start. Also really first-rate playing throughout as you’d expect (but Mississippi Muddy Water, while the most catchy song on it, is pastiche-Randy Newman). Nice sleeve notes by Dr John mentions The Band and Levon.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Liberals,Conservatives, Northern Lights

Conservatives vs Liberals, like someones going to win that argument and then calling one another less american than the other...differance of opinion is one thing but to call someone less american because of his or her's political views is crossing the line...Would we have called eachother that in the aftermath of 9/11, I doubt it, so why would we now??

Being new to this Band thing, I just bought " Northern Lights Southern Cross" like it a lot, as mentioned in here anything after Pink and Brown is hard to compare but it's still damm good music " Forbidden Fruit" "Ophelia" "Acadian Driftwood" "Ring Your Bell" and of course " It Makes No Differance" being my favorites, I'm really enjoying hearing this music for the first time, I'm purposely taking my time buying it all, don't wan't the fun of hearing it for the first time to end to soon...


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: bits and bobs

bayou sam. the ron wood/graceland story appeared in a monthly amusing anecdote slot in mojo magazine. ill try and dig it out for you.rosalind. chill out. your angst ridden posts while always interesting are getting depressing. it could be worse. you could be living in wales; a depressing shithole riddled with money grabbing corrupt politicians, where it always rains, our rugby team which once ruled the world is shit, and to see a decent gig we have to travel miles to england on the most expensive train system in the world. then again keep those t.s. elliot wasteland type posts coming.perhaps youv tapped into something there. peace richie


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I had the pleasure of seeing Hank play once in N.YC. - the only thing in his hand was his guitar.


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Posted by:

Chad Fredrico

Location: Left field

Subject: BANDFAN

BANDFAN: I'm writing this with my best friend and both of our monkeys. (16 years of touring = monkey). We were pleased at hearing of your interest in the scene, we can't how tell you how great it feels to point out something to an old pro, truly. My guess in hearing your submission... your favorite performer was Clapton, as it should have been. It's very tough to choose against Dylan; he did an excellent job of making the Band wake up and choose a new rhythm. By the way... I went out today and bought a new hat.


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Posted by:

Chad Fredrico

Location: Left field

Subject: BANDFAN

BANDFAN: I'm writing this with my best friend and both of our monkeys. (16 years of touring = monkey). We were pleased at hearing of your interest in the scene, we can't how tell you how great it feels to point out something to an old pro, truly. My guess in hearing your submission... your favorite performer was Clapton, as it should have been. It's very tough to choose against Dylan; he did an excellent job of making the Band wake up and choose a new rhythm. By the way... I went out today and bought a new hat.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Ego's n such

Everybody Sing! Gimme that Old Time Religion....Gimme me that Old Time Religion..Gimme that Old Time Religion....Religion ..It's good..It's good enuff...yeah!

Cork_ You don't have to tell a living soul here that you have one hell of a monster ego. We can tell by the way you space your sentences. You Swaggering Bullshitter! I wouldn't be surprised if you actually masturbated on stage! (wink)

Bayou Sam_ I don't call what you described ego. It's more like a nod of acceptance and acknowledgement...satisfaction. When I was first starting to sing, back about 23 years ago, this wonderful old cat from Slidell Louisanna named Marshall Henderson, kept telling me to "Listen to the Bassman!...Train that voice on the Bass!" I remember nights when that bassman was the love of my life! He would say "Work with me girl....Work with me." and get up real close. Everybody would nod and smile in that certain way. Getting those looks would make my heart jump and holler " I'm Doin'It ! I'm Doin' It Right ! They Love Me ! They Love Me! My Brothers, They Love Me! Everybody Loves Me ! I'm A Musician! Bessie, MY Sister, Look Down! That kind of feeling on a stage would send me right thru the Fucking Roof. Is that Ego? I never thought so. I felt one with the music. I didn't care if anyone thought I was pretty or anything, I just wanted to be one with the music and my brothers on the stage and have everyone in the place be Smilin' and Stompin'


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Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: OLD TIME RELIGION

NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT INTERPRETING RR'S COMMENTS IN THAT SCENE BEFORE, BUT IT COULD BE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE (THEN) CURRENT STATE OF MUSIC, AND THAT MAYBE THERE IS JUST SOMETHING MISSING THAT YOU GET WITH THOSE GREAT OLD STANDARDS. KJB


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Barnburners

just out of curiosity do the Barnburners (a.k.a Levon Helm's Blues Band) play mostly "covers" or do they also have a number of "originals" in their set. I only ask this because I've never been to one of their shows....they don't play in my neck of the woods! Also of the blues standards/covers they play which is/are the blues artist(s) they tend to play the most?

Hank: Levon & the Hawk did not take over Canada ...subliminally Canada took them over. The Force is with us, you know. really it's all true. You know that myth that all the world wants to be Irish...ACTUALLY {tongue planted firmly in cheek} all the world wants to be Canadian.


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Posted by:

Ruth McD

Location: Greenville, Ohio

Subject: Wheeling Barnburners show

Hi. Just wanted to second the comments made by "dave the drummer". The Barnburners were red hot at their gig at Wheeling's Blues Fest. Levon looked great and was as hospitable as ever. Two of the guys hung around and jammed with Rod Piazza's band. It was great. As a reminder, check out Terrance Simien(the Zydeco master)tribute to Rick Danko on his Tribute Session's CD. He also performs "It Makes No Difference" in each live show and dedicates it to Rick. Terrance did a duet with Rick that we hope he releases for us all soon. -- Thanks, Ruth


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Back Home in Cork
Web: My link

Subject: For The Folks Back home........

Oh My!.......

Gettin' a bit Saucy in 'ere, innit?.......

Tsk, Tsk.....Why d'yall take it so seriously in here? This is a place of FIERCE ego......

ME, too!.....

Bayou Sam!.....I'm sure that story about Ronnie Wood/Elvis is in his book about his paintings......which I never bought but spent a rainy day in NYC reading in a variety of Bookstores around the city.....

Yes, I know......that's kinda sad, really........

Anywood.....I got better..........I think......

Anywell.......The thing about the Old Time Religion segment in TLW...

.... is that EVERYONE gets like that from time to time.......

(and if you AIN'T, loosen'n'lighten up a bit....)

..... but NOT Everyone has Marty di Scorsebergi doin' a Spinal Tap on yo' ass!......

Admit it....... Y'ALL has got off yer noodle on substances in yer life!......WHEN you had the bread and youth to......and when you DIDN'T have the bread to.....too....as well......EVERYBODY Must get...........

TLW is great 'cos it pulls NO punches about this stuff......it's patently OBVIOUS that they are buzzed.....it's discreet enuff in not showing them actually SNORTING....BUT the bowl of water gives it away.........

The reason it falls apart is because RR is singing it......and, uh,........he's not really convinced about how he's singing it........RR put his soul into banging his guitar and getting the right sound for The Band.....NOT his own singing.........and Ricks outburst is pure (drunken/whacked out) SOUL...........It's amazing they put that in, really..........great moment captured........and bang into the best live version of "Dixie".....Wonderful..........Most bands/movies would suppress stuff like that .....OR go out of their way to show just how wild and crazy they really are.........TLW does neither and is completely real without hiding it or shoving it in yer face...........The Neil Young segment with the rock in his nostril blanked out is great for the same reason......

I'm certain many of you have read Carch-22....with regards to the quasi-politico thread going on here at the mo'..... remember the passage where the lecherous old man berates the young US airman about believing The USA will last forever?......What we're witnessing today is an attempt by yet another Empire trying to extend its power and dominance..........EVERY Imperial power with a suss on available resources does this.....We are presently watching The USA do this.......It may go well for them........

It may not.......

There's no denying The USA is an empire.......Coca Cola, MTV, Hollywood, The dow jones Index....c'mon!...you KNOW it's huge and worldwide.........It's big and beautiful and shiny from sea to sea and beyond.....let's hope it KEEPS it's promise of democracy and does NOT let violence and greed distort it's aims.........

ah, sure......'tis a great pity that the people who run The USA don't realise that The USA REALLY only took over the world when Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley roared outta The South and when Levon and Ronnie took Canada.........for good measure..........

.........and it's interesting that The Brits should send The Beatles out and have a go at it with Rock'n'Roll.....until Lennon blew the whistle and told' em a working class hero is something to be.........

The Beatles.....The Last Gasp of The Old British Empire, eh, chaps?......Harrison chap retook India for us......but that dastardly Lennon went over to the other side with those damn Paddies, what?.....How I won The Bloody War, indeed!.......ARISE Sir Paul and SING to us of Freedom!......Ringo, la, get back get back into that bloody submarine and DON'T push any buttons this time!!!!

That's all there's to it, really........

But, you see, The Miltary-Industrial-Entertainment Complex must have it's way...... and test out new technologies and provide material for popular movies and songs and appeal to the basic instinct of wanting to destroy what threatens you instead of TRYING to understand it and live with it............and so, like ANY Empire.........you ARM your future enemy, support the most evil fucker around (Hitler, Saddam, bin Laden)..... goad them into attacking you...........and hey presto!.....War!........and IF you WIN the gamble, you get all the contracts to rebuild what you've just destroyed.....witness the rise of Germany and Japan after WW2.....defeated.....NUKED, even!....... but within 20 years, economic miracles!........

EVERY War brings some new game on the market......

gimme that old time ....it's good enuff...well it's good enuff...good enuff......


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I too love the "Old Time Religion" scene. I also have the same take as some of you with regard to Robbie's comment. I think that he means that "vibe" of the guys ain't what it once was - in his mind at least.

Rosalind - I've been playing drums over 20 years, and it was never for ego or women. Having a crowd of people get something out of your playing is certainly satisfying - but my favorite moments have been when I did a little off-beat fill that caused one of the guitar players to turn and give me a smile of approval - or when I knew I was doing my job because I was putting some extra punch in during a guitar solo and I knew it helped get that little bit extra from the guitarist. I used to get that during "After Midnight". I don't know if you want to call any of that ego, but I never went to a gig hoping to "score" with a woman - and I never hoped to make the crowd go "ooooo"-(to borrow a Pete Townsend phrase).

Hey, isn't somebody going to tell me the Ron Wood/Graceland story?


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Maine, USA

Subject: Old Time Religion

The "Old Time Religion" scene was my favorite in the movie as well. I was always disappointed that it was not on the album, and I used to look for it on Napster (figuring someone would get around to doing what I never did - pulling it from the videotape) because I thought it would make great filler on a homemade tape or CD.

I always took Robbie's statement, as the jam fizzles out with Rick sawing the fiddle a little more slowly and less precisely, to literally be 'We're not as young as we used to be.'

Metaphorically, with Disco on the way, it could be like the old ballplayers' lament that the kids playing the game nowadays can't hold our jocks.

At this date it is for me a reflection on the state of The Band at the time - a brilliant group of musicians that included three who liked to party perhaps a little too much, one who was content to make music for music's sake and did not take on the responsibilities of looking after the others, and one whose considerable ambitions, ego and groundedness would not let him continue along on the path they were heading. The segue into 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' is particularly powerful now, as the rage that Levon pours into that mournful, powerful song reminds us of what we lost when these guys stopped making music together with Robbie.

Deconstruction lives!

As an aside, for me the most chilling words from a Band member come on "Classic Albums - The Band," when Levon describes Richard as the kind of guy who raises his glass and says "Spend it all." It is a joyful recollection of a guy (and a group of guys) who knew how to have a good time and did not take themselves too seriously (with the possible exception of Robbie, although some of his comments on the same program seem genuinely self-deprecating). But at the same time it is a sad comment on a lifestyle that may have destroyed what The Band was. That second album is sheer brilliance, and if that was impossible to live up to, plenty of the moments on the subsequent albums are close enough. It would have been nice to get a little bit more from them. I suppose we can be grateful for what we've got. It kills me to have lost Richard and Rick, and to hear Levon's voice, to read of Levon and Garth's financial troubles.

It's not like it used to be.



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: CSNY

According to Cameron Crowe....Stills: "We did one for the art and the music, one for the chicks. This one's for the cash."....On the other hand...Crosby stated that Stills's real motivation was ego-gratification: getting off on playing enormous places, having people like JONI and THE BEACH BOYS and THE BAND to open for them, being the biggest group in the world......

So what became of the anticipated recording? Apparently NEIL YOUNG claimed it didn't get made 'cause it didn't get made.......It was easy to understand turning down a fortune when a group has already made one.....Most people surmised at this time that the real reason......The group members couldn't tolerate each other enough at this time to work collaboratively.....

I remember when I saw all four members a few years ago and CSY were standing in a straight line blasting their guitars and I turned to one of my friends and said look at the testosterone flying......(I was being sarcastic.) Without hesitating she responded......I love it!!!!!.....Two music fans.....two different perceptions.......In any case......I did have an amazing time at this show because Woodstock was in the air that night......every row in our section was feeling irie.......strong singing by all members and even Stills seemed happy for Neil playing in front of his home crowd.....I've always seen their relationship as a love/hate one since their days with Buffalo Springfield.....and it was my first time seeing Neil play not only guitar but piano.....Toronto fans were proud of their home boy......Neil was born in Toronto on November 12, 1945.....


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Hazey Davey

No Sir, I wasn't aiming anything at you with the first part of my post on what makes people pick up instruments. Most of the men I know who play do it for selfish egotistical satisfaction and women. I always found that to be disrespectful, to both the audience and the music. But the second part of that post(I looked it up in the archives) had to do with your comment on hearing a bunch of women yelling "Yeah" during Muddy's segment in The Last Waltz. I was reminded of the night I saw the film, it was the first time I had even heard the song. By the second "Yeah" I caught on and started belting it out. As I said, I got hit on about 40 times before I even got out of the theater. It wasn't bad enough that the music made me stagger....I guess girls are better when they're drunk on music! Okie Doke? (Thanks for not nailin' me without clarification)

Ya know that Ben Pike? I think if he's going to go as far as calling someone "dim" the least the sumbitch could do is learn how to spell! (ahh.. that's a low blow roz) I took particular offense to that "racist" comment.( Hey Ben, Are you a Katie Couric Fan?) My husband was black. He was a cowboy, from Corpus Christi, and he would have had to kick your ass for condescending to me like that!


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Posted by:

Chad Beaver

Location: Kansas City

Subject: TLW

To Doug I say that your I appreciate your point very much. There are other periods throughout the movie where the bandmembers make pretty reflective statements about the harshness of sixteen years on the road. In my opinion, this was one obvious circumstance, and one very deliberately intended by the director as well. And yes, you actually have to look at the television to understand this point. Now, as far as favorite moment... that goes to Richard Manual's statement: "I just want to break even" and the ensuing laughter from his mates. What could better personify the Band's approach to life?


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: in response

if that comment about Levon doing stuff not as good as Strawberry Wine,,, is for real,,,

remember

# 1 Levon doesnt do it, jimmy vivino does,,,\ Levon wouldnt play it if JV didnt call it,,

&

Muddy Waters , Lil Walter, James Cotton, Sonny Boy, the Wolf,Lazy Lester, & all the other blues greats & originals they play,,

please,,, EVEN LEVON would give the greats their props,,

there would be no Strawberry Wine w/o Levon's roots,,,,

THE BLUES,,,,


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Old Time Religion

And on another level, it is one of the few moments that references the Basement Tapes period with its recasting of traditional music.

I think it's in Al Kooper's review of Big Pink. He describes The Band as grown-ups making adult music. It's interesting that that descriptive has surfaced again, with good reason.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Old Time Religion - Doug and Hazy

One of my favourite scenes too. But must admit to always regarding it as merely a light humorous throwaway remark in the same sort of vein as 'ah they don't write them like that any more' sort of thing. Must say I'm intrigued by the depth of your takes on it.


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Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: Minneapolis

Subject: Ol' Time Religion

Doug from Chi: I too was struck by that scene in the TLW, and for the same reason. It's a powerful moment.

I made a mental note before seeing the film recently to really notice that moment. And it confirmed what I'd always felt, that RR was admitting that The Band itself wasn't "what it used to be."

Of course what he meant, exactly, by that is anybody's guess.

Somebody brought up the Irish poet W.B. Yeats in the GB a couple weeks ago. Yeats who said that to be an adult is to have a grasp of the tragic in life.

Whatever else TLW is or isn't, for me it's a film for grownups because it's a glimpse into tragedy that becomes more profound and educative as years go by. RR's offhand (or seemingly offhand) comment really points that up in TLW. It's sad, but it's life, and it's real. And lasting. Sad, i agree with you, yeah, but cathartic.

It's fitting that the film is that way, because the Band's songs, almost all of them, are tragic. Virgil Caine looks into tragedy and does not blink. The Union Man in "King Harvest," same thing. And on and on. Even the music sounds tragical. Which is why it lasts, and always will last. Mere entertainment fades, becomes dated, seems quaint. (That's not to say The Band's music isn't entertaining and fun, it is, but like all great things, it is several things all at once, and frequently wonderful on every level at the same moment.)

I guess the last thing the GB needed was (another) Band homage, but I wanted to give a thoughtful response to your observation.

Rosalind: Your comment re:"thanks for womb to tomb, disappointing response & why guys pick up guitar" seemed aimed at my earlier post, but I was not sure & wanted to be sure before responding.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Thanks Pat – I have learned that posts with that sort of inane cynicism are par for the course in most music related forums – and I usually don’t bother to grace them with a response. But maybe I should shut my eyes or drape a towel over my TV during TLW and just ‘listen to the music’, and ignore any of milieu Scorsese intended to convey. It probably would be silly and amateurish of me to do otherwise.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I think it's instructive to remember what John D said about these types of posts.


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Posted by:

To Doug from Chicago

Subject: TLW

Just listen to the music. Never mind who says what or when. Who scratches himself and at what moment..etc.. If in doubt of what a particular tune is about and if you find it too complicated, check Viney contributions, he'll tell you what you're listening to, and if it's good or bad.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia
Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz screening in Atlanta

For those of you in the Atlanta area, I just found out that The Last Waltz will be shown this Thursday night (Aug. 22) at the Fabulous Fox Theatre. It's part of a double feature (courtesy of the folks at Coca Cola) that also includes "Ladies & Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones". For further details clink on web link above.


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Posted by:

Doug

Location: Chicago

Subject: Old Time Religion Jam in TLW

I just saw The Last Waltz for the first time last night (DVD). When they finish and Robbie says something to the effect of 'It ain't the same as it used to be', I initially interpreted this as sort of recognition that this little session (and presumably others), were less fluid than they had been in the heyday. I thought this was some kind of reference to the influence of drugs at this point (the tell-tale hand gestures of Danko during this scene) -- by Robbie who appears as the most sober, and was sort of disheartened with the state of affairs -- and it really made my heart sink. But having watched it a second time and then with the commentary – I realized he might actually be referring to religion not being the same in the context of the song – only a little quip. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Could my initial reaction be accurate?

On a separate note – I would like to thank to Peter Viney for the superb efforts on this site. I thoroughly enjoy all of your commentary and articles. My true appreciation creating a resource that recognizes the importance and magnificence of The Band.


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Posted by:

Just a guess

Subject: Viney on his buddy Hoskyns

Maybe the man in charge thinks that Hoskyns is an arsehole. ( Is that correct british for "asshole" ? )


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Across the Great Divide

If Chet Flippo's fourth-rate notes got on the box set, how come Barney Hoskyns' notes to the remasters (on this site) got rejected? In comparison, Hoskyns is Tom Wolfe, Ernest Hemingway and Thomas Pycheon rolled into one.


Entered at Mon Aug 19 20:57:22 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-145.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.145)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Let it all hang out

Delighted to hear Levon ad the BBs (Barnburners or Blues Band?) are doing Strawberry Wine- I always wondered why he kept doing other stuff that wasn't as good. As to low cut tops, I think Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger and David Bowie were all inclined to stick a few inches of hosepipe in their trouser pockets (radiator hose is especially impressive … or daunting) so why shouldn't female singers make the best of their assets?


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Posted by:

Bones

I loved Butch's post about the Tribeca show. "Strawberry Wine", Levon, Jimmy Vivino, female singers taking their shirts off, dancing........I've got to start seeing more of these shows. Butch, isn't it time for another southern tour?

I read somewhere that Robbie's first two solo records are being re-released in the month of September. Anybody know anything about this?


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Posted by:

Dave ~ (the drummer)

Location: Pittsburgh, Pa.

My 13 year old son Adam & I made a trip to Wheeling West Virginia to see The Levon Helm Blues Band at The Heritage Music Blues Fest yesterday (Sun. 8-19). We arrived half an hour early and went backstage to see Levon & the 'fellas.'

Levon was happy to see us and knowing that Adam plays drums too ; made him feel important by giving him a signed drumstick [thanxx Butch]. It now has a place on our wall, next to a signed photo of Levon in action. Folks; there is no doubt that Levon makes time for each & every one of his fans. He is the genuine article.

The concert was worth the trip. Levon & the boys were rockin' the blues & tight as two coats of paint. All were in top form. "Steady Rollin' Bob Margolin" joined them for the last half of their nearly two hour set. A real treat was a performance from the Muddy Waters Tribute record.

Maria Muldaur and her band Bluesiana performed "Blues So Bad" which was written by Levon & Henry Glover. She introduced the song with kind words about Levon and called him a "musical hero" of hers. Levon was grinning ear to ear.

Rod Piazza & his Mighty Flyers closed the Bluesfest. Rod & his wife, Honey were lookin' & playin' real nice along with a very tight band. Pat & Chris joined them for a great jam session to close the show. It was SCORCHING HOT !!!!!

We got to meet all the performers and they treated us just like family ; especially Maria's drummer, Bruce David. We hung out & talked for an hour after her set about drumming, drums and music in general. All in all it was a wonderful day of musical kinship & powerful Blues.


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Posted by:

Me again

Subject: Garth

Apparently Maud Hudson "will" perform with Garth in London, September 8th.


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Posted by:

Serge

Subject: Garth in London Ontario again.

Garth will be playing a solo concert ( and perhaps with Maud Hudson ) September 8th. 2002 at the opening of the new "Wolf Performance Hall" in London Ontario. Garth is scheduled to perform at 7:00 pm.on that date.

Will update soon.


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Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Location: Georgia

Bassman - I assume you mean Jimmy Thackery, who was guitarist for The Nighthawks for about 15 years; he left them around 1990 methinks. They were based in DC but played all over these here United Snakes. And you are correct sir, he bends a mean string.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: New photos from JOY MUNSEY

Thanks for sharing your photos on Levon & co.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Boxed Set

Although I haven't pulled it out in a while, wasn't the Band boxed set simply a re-release of the Canadian "To Kingdom Come" best-of set with a third disc of "rarities"? It's no wonder that Robertson found it lacking. The essay was certainly lacking.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Band box set

In response to Richie's inquiry, I recall that Robertson briefly discussed the "new" Band box set in an interview with VH-1 last year which I dug up. He expressed his displeasure with the now out-of print "Across the Great Divide", saying that he "didn't like the way it was laid out. It was uninteresting." Robertson also questioned the lack of "integrity" in the way the box set was done, adding that, at the time, Capitol couldn't find the original masters of a lot of the material and used later generation sources.

That problem, with the noted exception of the "brown album", was later corrected when Capitol prepared the latest reissues of The Band's catalog. In addition to locating the album masters, "The People there that specialize in lost tapes started finding all these outtakes and alternate takes I don't even remember doing", according to Robertson. This provided him with additional impetus to do a new box set. Robertson stated that, "The more material they found, the more I thought to myself, now I want to do the definitive Band collection with lots of surprises and things I didn't even know existed."

The VH-1 interview, was conducted in June of 2001 by Jon Wiederhorn and also focused "The Last Waltz" reissue project. I haven't read any updates on the new box set project. With all the recent turmoil in the music industry, particularly at EMI/Capitol, one would hope that the project hasn't been shelved. Curiously, Capitol just released a single disc compilation of Robertson's later solo work and Interscope/Geffen is apparently going to reissue his first two solo albums.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Pat - That's why I was trying to be careful about how I said what I was trying to say, that I DON'T want to say all who call themselves "liberal" are not patriotic. But just in reference to those who knee-jerk oppose just about any plan to advance America militarily or economically, who claim all business people are corrupt, who attack those who live their lives in a morally and ethically upright manner (regardless of their religion), I think people with these views are doing more to tear our society down instead of constructively contributing to it. I'm not saying let's invade Iraq but I don't have a problem with the U.S. striking back hard when we are attacked. Some people would never have us respond to an attack because, after all, we are supposed to understand we are to blame for those people's anger. I don't have a problem with locking up CEO's who abuse their power and rip off stockholders but just because this happens sometimes doesn't mean let's trash the whole capitalist system. I don't believe anyone should force their religion on anyone but I do respect any person who lives morally and ethically in accordance with their belief in their higher power. And I do get angry with the moral relativists who think there's no real right and wrong in this world, just "our way" and "their way", even when "their way" includes no trace of democracy, human rights, religious freedom or due process of law. You damn right "our way" is better than "their way" and I just think those who disagree with this are less patriotic.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Shannon McNally

Shannon McNally (that's her name) is an excellent singer-songwriter who was just here (Chicago) opening for John Mellencamp. Her "hook" is that she has released an album of self-penned songs that is generating some great press and is well worth checking out. Also, a lot of great players backing her up.

John W., why paint with a broad brush when you say you don't want to? Please note, no politics in the question.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: mo' blues

the roll the Barn Burners were on, started wednesday @ The RamsHead & continued till sunday's festival,,,

In the middle was a nyc gig @ the tribeca blues,,,, a real upholstered sewer,,, down near Ground Zero,,,Tribeca Blues is EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE MUSIC BUSINESS,, but a gig is a gig ,,,as bad as the Ram'sHead is good,,,

BUT , as we sat in their "dressing room" in walked Jimmy Vivino, guitar in hand,,, "Let's Rock ", he said & ROCK they did,,,

as always Levon was lovin jimmy v's contribution & the boys were kickin',,,

at one point, when jimmy v was singin a song, he led the BarnBurners into his blues arrangement of STRAWBERRY WINE,,,,the crowd went NUTZ !!!!!!!!!

some long island chick singer shannon somethin, opened, & levon brought her up to sing " Love me like a man" & she did pretty good,, but why do female singers feel the need to show their breasts ??? ya rarely see a guy sing with his "****" hangin out, right ?

( i think she was a galpal of the club's owner, THAT was her hook, ) plus she IDOLISED Levon,,,,heheheheheh,,,

well, it was a hot steamy NEW YORK night & it was tres late when the 2nd encore was over,,,Levon & the fellas signed every&anything they were asked & took pix , then it was off to Ray's on 6th ave for a late night slice of pizza, & off into the night,,,

jimmy vivino is PURE MUSIC & just makes everything & everyone better,, Levon never stops smilin on those nights,,,,,,

we had a buncha friends from here & the other sites,,, Tommy SkellBag was fun as always & mike was rockin so hard i thought he'd fall out of his ironsides chair,,,

i/we all love to see the folks dancin & dance we did,,,

another big win for Levon & The BarnBurners,,,,,,


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Subject: Tribeca Blues

John Cass - Nice Barnburners show at Tribeca Blues on Friday. Started out a little strange, though. I got there around 8:15 and the club was not even open yet. I think they were doing sound checks but I got a little ticked about being forced to stand in the 90 degree heat when you could be sitting inside getting warmed up for the show! People kept showing up and by 8:45 there was about a hundred people waiting, and it seemed most of them were there to see Shana McNally, I never had heard of her but she is definitely very HOT right now, and I'm talking about her looks as well as her musical talent! Anyway I got mad and went around the block to a nice, air conditioned pub and chilled out for a while. They had nice music on the box and I almost blew off Tribeca because I did not like being treated that way, but it was just too tough to blow off Levon. By the time I got into Tribeca Blues, Shana was ending her set with "Masterpiece" (nice version, her band was real good). The Barnburners were awesome, once again with Jimmy Vivino and Larry Guarnier(?) sitting in. Levon was fantastic, they did lots of great blues and a memorable version of "Mystery Train".

Rosalind, Tull Fan - You tell 'em! It is getting increasingly difficult to see the "patriotism" on the part of liberal Democrats. Not to try and paint everyone with the same brush, however, when they criticize the conservative Republican mindset -- i.e., we dislike the Bush administration and the leaders of America's business community because they stand for a strong military and economic policy that will defend our interests, a country where corporations can thrive without government interference (thereby raising all our standard of living), a country where all religions are respected and freely practiced but not forced on anyone -- they are OPPOSED to these ideas -- and it seems to me these ideas ARE what our country is based on, much more so than whatever neo-Utopian quasi-Socialist they seem to favor.


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Posted by:

Rich Forbes

Location: New York

Subject: Levon does Elvis documentary

While channel surfing on Saturday, I tuned into an Elvis documentary...I was pleasantly surprised to hear Levon narrating...See ya Friday on the cruise...


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Posted by:

richie

Location: uk

Subject: definitive band box set

thanks jamie and bill for accthegrtdivide comments. does anyone out there know anything about the proposed rr definitive box set.comments would be appreciated. rosalind. i thought movies were a no no on this gb. youv got me thoroughly confused now. mind you hud is one hell of a movie. speaking of larry mcmurghty, while everyone raves about last pict show, i preferred texasville. a much naglected gem. richie.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: blues festival

sunday, Levon & The Barn Burners did what they do best !!!!!!!!!! played a local community blues fest !

Wheeling West Virginia has a volunteer based community festival where everyone can come over & hang with us,,, meet the fellas , etc,,,,,

we had david maxwell with us, & bob margolin sat in cause he was playing with maria muldaur ( a sweet reunion of her & levon too, )

it was hotter than the hinges of hell but the Barn Burners were hotter,,, Pat & Chris did a gig till 2 am & maxwell had been in the city , but they were on their " A " game,, all the blues that ya could stand,,,,,

we all felt bad for maria following the boys,, it was a tough job,,,

Levon & Jeff never stopped smilin & on Maxwell's boogie woogie piece it was levon, sarli, maxwell & margolin,, doing a n'awlins boogie,, very cool,,,,,,

all the good folks of that area came over & joined us, on the river's edge, & we all had a time,, visiting, meeting new folks, takin pictures,,,

we caught some of maria's set & off to NY we went with Maxwell & his love right behind,,, sarli headed south & pat & chris & AP stayed to hear Rod & Honey Piazza, pat's hero, & they got up & jammed with him,,

all in all,,, a good country day,,,,,blues, a river, the sun & good folks,,,

a few friends from the GB came by & its always great to see ya'll,,,, keep comin' out,,,,,,,,

see ya @ the Blues Cruise,,,, friday,,,,,,in nyc,


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Posted by:

Bill

Jamie: I'd think there's lots to dislike about the boxed set - though certainly not the music. Chet Flippo's notes focus too much on Chet Flippo. There are too many inaccuracies. There is a lack of helpful recording session info - much of it available to anyone doing a label-backed project such as this. The personnel / attributions are laughably incomplete ... But isn't Richard really something on "Do The Honky Tonk" and the basement tapes stuff?

Andy R: I love your list of people on the Woodstock scene, though I'm not sure you'd have found Jesse Winchester hanging around Woodstock, or anyplace south of Canada, until the amnesty of the mid-'70s. My only visit to the fabled town was in about 1990, by which time the only 'throwback' venue had a name like the Dharmaware Cafe. We had cappucino amid tinkly bells and photos of the Himalayas and listened to a singer-guitarist from Mexico. At the end of his set he called up his friend Doc, who turned out the be Joe Walsh, who played "Little Wing" a really long time with an unexceptional bassist and hand-drummer. Most people left, so we moved to the front. At the end of the next jam I suggested "Rocky Mountain Way". Joe smiled nicely, in a way that said thanks, but no. They all laughed when I said, "well, how 'bout Catskill Mountain Way? He packed up and left, I think disappointed that no heavy-duty players had turned up to jam.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: Slumberland
Web: My link

Subject: Another boring boring boring post

Missus Lee and I enjoyed a great couple o' sets of blues from the Nighthawks with and without Hubert Sumlin and Jimmy Thackerty (sp?), and a rousing festival closing set from Marcia Ball. Mr. Sumlin was feeling the heat of the day, and the figurative heat of Thackerty, who is one bleeping awesome guitarist. He was literally cracking Sumlin up with some of his solos. Unfortunately we missed his set with his own band. I'd never heard of him. Anyone? Anyone?

Chatted with some nice young folks from Severn records and picked up Louisiana Red's "A Different Shade...Woodstock Sessions". Just finished the first spin, and it's pretty good. I raised the possibility of Severn doing a Levon & BB record. "We'd love to," he said, "but he wants superstar money, and we just can't do it. We'd never make it back."

It's a great festival, criminally underattended. It takes place in a small park on the Christiana river a few steps from Wilmington's Amtrak station so anybody in the NE corridor can take the train. Beers were good and cheap, too. (It's called the 'Cool Blues, Brews & BBQ's' and has a beer-tasting deal.) Keep an eye out for it next year. I posted the link to the festival's site above and sent the link to Butch. If we lobby, maybe we can get Levon and the guys there next year?


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: John Hammond & Trebeca Blues

Went and saw John Hammond Fri the 16th in Saratoga NY at the Cafe Lena.. Great show... had a picture of Rick Danko on the wall.. wish I had seen him there.. small place not a bad seat in the house

How was the Levon Helm & Barnburners gig on the 16th at the Trebeca Blues club??? like to hear details..


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Help me

I am a little embarrassed to have the approval of someone who goes by the name Ape S**t and who, I believe, claimed to have "done" the Band a while back. I am going to have to come up with something substantive to say pronto.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

I just finished watching "Hud". I know this place isn't for sharing Anything Real but I have something to say. As I sat here watching that film I saw America swaggering arrogantly back and forth across that screen. We care about nothing. We honor nothing. We love nothing. We respect nothing. We feel nothing. In short, we are finished as a nation. We can't see it. We are blind and we've been numbed. So Party On !

" Little by little the look of the land is changed because of the men we admire" ~~Larry McMurtry~~

Ben__ I will not respond to your post. Fighting and arguing makes me feel bad about myself. And you can call me anything you like...I don't rattle!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: More wembley

Crabgrass has awakened a further memory cell. I now recall a very weedy Graham Nash piano drivel, but I think he got the biggest reception / applause of the solo spots, probably from ex-Hollies fans. It surprised me at the time, though I was fond of "Songs for Beginners". A bit of a first year ( female) university student album (if you see what I mean), but this is a category that embraces Al Stewart & Cat Stevens too. Leonard Cohen, in contrast, was second year with depression setting in after failed romance with looming Part One examinations.

Back to the concert. I was getting well bored at this point, because it was very much a CSNY off-night and Neil Young was in unusually poor form - I also wonder if there any CSNY tapes from it. The bit I enjoyed most after The Band was Tom Scott & The LA Express who also backed Joni superbly. The Band were on much too early in bright sunshine. Lunchtime? The trouble is when you hear cassettes of these things, they tend to surprise in how disappointing they are. You need to have been there with so many of these shows.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Wembley

Tossing the Beach Boys in with CSNY, Joni, JCL, and The Band seems to me like trying to mix oil and water. I'm glad the Beach Boys were not part of the Wembley show. I remember Graham Nash performing a song at the piano that he said he'd just written and one of the friends I was with (a French singer/guitarist named Terry who could sing and play James Taylor songs very well) commenting that it was "very weak" - which indeed it was.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Late summer 74

FYI, Doctor: This tour changed around a bit but the basics of CSNY, The Band and Jesse Colin Young were still touring together at Wembley, London 14 September 1974 where Joni Mitchell and Tom Scott & The LA Express were the others, and Crabgrass and me provided the applause between songs. There's a Band tape from Toronto 1 September too, I believe, though whether this is with a CSNY show, I don't know. The Neil Young biography has a few (harsh) words on the tour. It wasn't CSNY's best by any means, and there aren't many CSNY shows where Graham Nash's solo spot came off best (maybe because it was London, UK).


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

There was mention in here over the last couple of days of a Ron Wood/Graceland/climbing the wall story. I asked my friend who is into the Stones and he knew zip. Could someone tell me the story? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

In a sense, the highly confused Rosolind is right, it is a kind of liberalism that has become a plauge on our society. Those who used to be called "Conservates" in America were for fair play, economic justice, a foreign policy that was at least somewhat non-interventionist. How long ago and far away that all seems now, as the right is led by greed is good jesus freaks. When big business ran amock, we had T Roosevelt and Brynt. Now the worst corperate criminals are at the helm, led by a dim, arrogent, inarticulate stooge of a Presidency created by Judical corruption of the nakedest sort. And the hopeless Sheep, still more afraid of racial polarity than anything else, listen to Rush everyday and prey that Jesus will keep the Negroes away(now Arabs.)

So, the true enemy of our Country is you, my dear, dim Rosoland; let us not forget who let 9-11 happen(see Time's predictably ignored (by the rest of the "Liberal Media") "Secret History") the fools you protect are a danger to us all. The endless, hollow lies you told about Bill Clinton seem all the more rancid now as an invasion of Iraq looms. But not to worry, this is still a great country and you can't steal every election. It's a commin, a brand new day.


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Posted by:

The Doctor

Subject: I have a poster...

...advertising a show called Summer Jam West featuring CSNY, The Beach Boys, Joe Walsh and Barnstorm, Jessie Colin Young, and "Special Guests" The Band. It is for Ontario Motor Speedway on Sat. August 3rd, 1974. Anybody know about this show or the tour it is part of? Is there a complete boot of this somewhere. I am a big fan of CSNY and The Band along with the Beach Boys and picked up the poster because it had all three on it. I have also seen some Joe Walsh and Jessie Colin Young boots around. Maybe someone has the complete show?

Just asking and hoping to provide a topic for discussion. Email me at wrestlingdoctor2000@yahoo.com

Thanks, Doc


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: another connection!

There's also a band out of Northern Pa. called "the Poptart Monkeys" I saw them once by accident, they weren't bad. Well... considering.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I'm just reminded of the song "Ape Man' by the Kinks for some reason. What a cool tune. I'll have to dig it out.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: spelin

I meant "moot point" not "mute point" ! But those odd Saturday Night Live / Letterman excursions are tantalizing. Great band behind Robbie every time.


Entered at Sun Aug 18 22:50:24 CEST 2002 from (63.164.145.33)

Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ...

Message for Stones fans: Ronnie Wood's latest solo CD (Not for Beginners) is now available in the U.S. It includes a beautiful song (King of Kings) written by Bob Dylan and performed as a guitar duet by Dylan and Wood. I also love the song Whaddya Think ... it reminds me of The Faces.

I recently re-read Bob Dylan's 2001 Rolling Stone interview. The following quote reminded me of Dylan's famous 1965 quote regarding RR ("RR is the only mathematical guitar genius I've ever run into who does not offend my intestinal nervousness with his rearguard sound"):

"Lonnie Johnson, the blues-jazz player, showed me a technique on the guitar in maybe 1964. I hadn't really understood it when he first showed it to me. It had to do with the mathematical order of the scale on a guitar, and how to make things happen, where it gets under somebody's skin and there's really nothing they can do about it, because it's mathematical."


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Boring..

Dear Ape Shit (I'm sure that is your real name): Nobody is interested in hearing your review as to how BORING BORING BORING you find this place.

It's really BORING and IGNORANT to posters here to have to hear complaining from an asshole like you.

Why don't you just shut it and find another place to complain about...one that will not be so BORING BORING BORING to you.

Maybe another music site where they don't talk about recording, engineering, songwriting and quality...but talk about who's better, what's the latest gossip, and whose is bigger...(ego I mean).

Come back when you can contribute something OK?


Entered at Sun Aug 18 21:13:10 CEST 2002 from (63.121.18.2)

Posted by:

ape shit

Subject: Jenny T's last post

Jenny T is the only poster in here who tried to leave a post other than technical boring stuff....and her post was ignored. BORING!!!! Go ahead back to your Robbie Bashing and your Record Mixing talk! APE SHIT!


Entered at Sun Aug 18 21:11:08 CEST 2002 from (63.121.18.2)

Posted by:

ape shit

Location: Poopoo City, USA

Subject: Ape shit

Ihope he DOES shut this boring message board down! The only discussions in here are who did the mixing on this record or on that record........and nothing more. No one ever discusses anything more than technical stuff...........BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORRRING!!! THeres more to THe Band than who mixed their records!!! And theres more to the Band than reading posts that Bash Robbie Robertson....one of the greatest songwriters of all time!!!!


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Posted by:

the YOUTH withe TRUTH

Location: Topeka, ks
Web: My link

Subject: LONG LIVE CHRIST the KING!

My URL instructs us about our Eternity (sign the guestbook): How inevitably both are determined and molded by the choices we make in our voyage home to the Father; This URL is both a stairway AND a roadmap TO that Utopian Domicile. Step out in faith: Experience the Awesome Reality of God. You're the spark. You're a warrior. You're His treasure. He deemed it so. Your service is good. Your love towards God is better. How He yearns to welcome us into His everlasting home beyond death's horizon: With such a price-tag on our souls, human beings are clearly precious beyond diamonds. You must abandon all fear of Him and know that He is all love. Say this: "Father, I love you and I give myself to you." And He wills that you inherit His Kingdom... PEACE. You ARE loved by Christ. See beyond illusion: Read Daniel 12:3


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Posted by:

Jamie

Subject: Across, The Box Set

Richie...

About Robbie's possible displeasure with the Across the Great Divide box set, I would guess that it would be due to the liner notes. While the notes (more like a mini-book actually) give every Band member praise and credit, they sometimes stray from the production elements that Bowman has included in the remasters' booklets. Again, that's just my guess...I better read the thing again.

"The, ah, stuff that dreams are made of."


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Location: Iowa

Subject: empty_glass76@yahoo.com

Yikes. I've been gone for a while and have returned. Happy to be back. But it seems a tad venomous in here. Can anyone fill me in on what has been going on in here?

Mike


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I don't think that Jan will even have a reason to shut this down if we pretty much ignore posts like the ones a few posts back. Occasinally there's a little riff in here - I've been in the middle of a couple (not in a while though) - but thet often get worked out when cooler heads prevail

I used to jump right on a post like "those" that just happened, but now I just shake my head and feel sorry for the person who actually took the time to do that. If they don't get the rise out of people that they want, then it isn't fun for them.

As I was signing onto the site today I was thinking that I hadn't come right out and thanked Jan for this site in a while. It's easy to forget his efforts and take it for granted that he puts a lot of time into it because he loves The Band if nothing else....... :-) Thanks Jan.


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Barn Burners' Pictures

I made my own webpage of pictures from the Barn Burners' show last Wednesday to show my friends. I told Jan he could use these pictures for this site also. Mine will be up temporarily.

See the link above.

Joy


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Christ and Moses

..........'tis a great pity that Lenny Bruce is dead......


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Classic Cars/Suicide

I hope that guy finds his old Hudson. Each of the guys should have had a Studebaker Hawk though, don't you think? (BTW, my Dad is obsessed with Studebakers so if anyone is looking for one, let me know.)

I have to confess my enquiring mind has been curious about that suicide incident--I think it is mentioned in Hoskyns' book. Maybe it's not appropriate or too personal to discuss but I am curious why would the person want to do that? Apologies to those who like to stick to music rather than cars, gossip and politics.


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Posted by:

JTull fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: really good new Ian Anderson Interview


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Woodstock circa 1971...

Thanks to Jeff Newsom for posting that article on Woodstock from Rolling Stone. It really WAS like that!!!

Along with the Expresso, can't forget to mention The Sled Hill Cafe and The Joyous Lake, where you could see, hear and mingle with Ellen McIlwaine, Paul Siebel, bluegrass legend John Herald from the Greenbriar Boys, Bill Keith, Ian and Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot, Benny Mardones, Dylan, Robert Lee,incredible guitarist Buzzy Feiten, Buzzy Lindhart, bassman Sean O'Brien, Butter, Maria Muldaur, Geoff Muldaur (his sister Diana was a frequent guest star on Star Trek episodes), various members of The Band, John Sebastian, Happy & Artie Traum,songwriter Eric Kaz,members of Janis Joplin's Full Tilt Boogie Band...John Till, Clark Pierson, Richard Bell etc,Johnny Average and Nicole Wills,comedian Robert Klein, Charlie Mingus, drummer N.D. Smart, Jim Colgrove, Amos Garrett, Carol Robinson,Todd Rundgen, Jesse Winchester, Foghat members, the actor Brad Dourif, his wife Joni, songwriter Tim Moore, Van Morrison, Cassie Culver,Karen Dalton, Bobby Charles, and usually anyone and everyone who was in Woodstock working on recording, the Stones etc.

As the resident "sound person" at The Joyous Lake for several years, I had a chance to work with and document much great music and musical occasions. Also, can't forget to mention the jazz contingent..Jack DeJohnette,Tony Levin,Jimmy Cobb (played with Miles Davis),hornmen Randy & Michael Brecker, Pat Metheny, David Sanborn, Marilyn Crispell, drummer Doug James and so many others I can't even begin to mention them all.

The Elephant which became Rosa's Cantina, with Magic Markie spinning discs were also great places to go. To eat, The Bear Cafe (still there), and the classic excellent food & friends atmosphere of Deanies Towne Tavern, also Dot's (later Duey's), for breakfast and lunch stuff.

I consider myself very lucky to have lived in Woodstock. I moved there in November of 1969, just after "The Festival" and I moved away in December of 1994.

A fantastic place at the time to raise kids, enjoy music and be a part of an eclectic community.

Thanks Woodstock, New York!!!!

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Response to Brien Sz

Brien, thanks for taking the time to respond. After reading your post I don't see anything to disagree with, so perhaps it is just the limitations of communicating this way that leads to misunderstandings. I AM NOT convinced we can end suicide bombings, nor do I care to Westernize the Middle East. I would be more than satisfied to find a solution that let's them be and so that if they wish to continue along such a repressive, irrational, and violent path it will be they, and no one else, who suffers harm.Of course, that is an oversimplified approach to a very tangled situation, and I doubt it can be accomplished very easily. Of course, there is the Israeli problem too, which I do not wish to open up, and they have teir faults, but what do we do if a democratic friend is attacked? My preferred solution is to continue to stabilize Russia, strike a deal to obtain most of our oil from them, European, Mexican, and domestic sources, and to tell the Middle East: 'You seem very intrenched that you know what is right for your region, so have it your way, goodbye. ' It is important to remember that the Arab/Fundamentalist World is not a unified one, with the exception of their hatreds of all things Israel and U.S., so they would still find a way to fight amongst themselves. I find it astounding that with all their resources and oil-revenues, that they still can't do better for themselves in building equitable, peaceful societies. Again, I know we have our social ills and I do not seek to hide or deny them, but their is no comparing the depth or degrees of them. NOW, WOULD YOU FOUL-MOUTHED GB ABUSERS PLEASE TAKE YOUR BATHROOM-TALK FOR A WALK AND LEAVE! JUST AS ANY LOSER CAN STRAP A BOMB TO THEMSELVES AND BLOW UP A BUS, ANY GUTLESS IMBECILE CAN DEFILE THE HARD WORK OF THE PERSON WHO GAVE US THIS GREAT GB COMMUNITY!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Saturday Night Live 1991/2

The arrangements are similar to the Seville "Guitar Legends" concerts, and Ivan Neville plays keyboards and Bruce Hornsby plays electric piano and conducts the group. Monk Bordeaux and Bo Dollis add backing vocal in their full Indian regalia too. Otherwise the horn section, bass and drums are different to Seville.

Go Back To Your Woods - comes first. It’s a mute point whether Bruce Hornsby is backing Robbie Robertson’s vocals or vice versa

. They follow up with The Weight- The group are joined by Dylan guitarist G.E. Smith (then of the Saturday Night Live house band) on electric mandolin. The vocals are: Verse 1 - Robbie, Verse 2 - Bruce Hornsby, Verse 3 - Monk Bordeaux, Verse 4 - Ivan Neville, Verse 5 - Robbie and Bruce Hornsby. Is this the "nice tune" you were thinking of?


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Watkins Glen 2nd coming

Yes Ray the comment about the 2nd coming is on the tape I have of the concert. But I think there was another comment from the stage that suggested someone climbed up the scaffolding and was delaying their set by not coming down.The tape has 2 instrumentals as warm ups also the Bill Graham intro."fine wine."


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: New photos from CRABGRASS

Thanks CRABGRASS for your new photos (see What's New -section). As an amateur photographer I have always admired your skills on photographing the FACES. (Actually, Brien's nature photos are even greater, if you don't mind :-)


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: band box sets

i remember reading several months ago an interview with robbie where he expressed extreme displeasure at the across the great divide box set. i would be grateful if anybody on the gb could remind me of the thrust of robbie's venom at the atgd box set, and any chance of some info about his proposed definitive boxset. cheers .rich.


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Posted by:

Jamie

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Girlfriend

So I got "The Band" for my girlfriend as a present for our 1 year anniversary the other day. Never thought that giving a Band record would make a girl's day.

"When my day of work is done, I'm gonna take in a Jamboree"


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Saturday Night Re-run

Robbie done a show in very late in 91. The line-up included a bunch of Mardi Gras Indians and at least one of the Neville Brothers. The one song I can think of that had a piece close to the end done by the Chief of the Wild Magnolia's (I could be wrong on the Wild Magnolia's thing) in an old creole language is "Go Back To Your Woods" off "Storyville".


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Guestbook

You know it's late here in the EST. But for those of you who are new to the guestbook and those that should know better, when Jan shuts this guestbook or the entire site down the next time........a little bird tells me it will be for good. It's your call! Not trying to come off as a "holier than thou person" 'cause I've exploded in here before myself and left a couple of times; but if you enjoy this site just a little bit........


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I was channel surfing late last night, and as I was getting ready to call it a night I came upon an old Sturday Night Live re-run, and Robbie was performing a song. I'm not sure what song it was, but he was playing a black guitar and had a large band which included back-up singers dressed in wild Indian-type garb. One of the male back-up singers sang the lead on part of the tune. It looked like a late 80's/early 90's Robbie. Anyone know?....It was a nice tune.

Also last night, I saw a TV commercial for Verizon which was the Beatles song "All Together Now". The commercial ended just like the ending of the 'Yellow Submarine" movie ended with the same song, where the words are appearing on the screen as the song plays. I couldn't beleive it - is this Michael Jacksons doing?....BTW, it wasn't the original recording by the Beats.



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Posted by:

Mike

Location: Baltimore

Subject: The band and my band

Jamie has posted alot of stuff here, including his story fo how the band became a part of his life. It just so happens that jamie is the reason that the Band is now a part of mine. Jamie and I have been best friends ever since i was 15.But not only is he my bestfriend, he is my bandmate. I grew up on the music that my father played for me, just as Jamie did, but unfortunatly, I just never got around to The Band. That is, until I meet Jamie. We've been playing music together for the past 4 years now and much of his influence has transfered to me. Only in the past year have I really started to seriously get into The Band. And it wasnt until 2 months ago when I went to Jamie's Apt and watch The Last Waltz for the first time with a few close friends. It truely was one of teh most amazing concerts I had ever seen and it made me wish that I had been there at some point to see the Band play in person. As Jamie mentioned in his story, we have a band here in Baltimore that is become a very prominant local act. And most of our influence comes from what we hear and see from The Band and The Last Waltz. We love covering songs such as "The Weight" and Cripple Creek" and the best part is, everyone loves hearing us play them. No one sings louder than they do everytime we get to the Chorus of The Weight when we're on stage. If it weren't for Jamie and his unbelievable love for The Band, I don't think our music would not be as great and fun to play infront of our fans.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Pat__ I know. I don't care what anyone thinks of me either, that's the easiest way to survive " I could have me a million more friends, and all I'd have to lose was my point of view" ~John Prine~

What I'd really like to know is how Ape Shit down there found out I was a strawberry!


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

rosalind, I truly couldn't care less what you think of me.


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: The other side of the Long Dark Veil...

Subject: one more dreadful "revived" band

Commenting on Bayou Sam's 8/14 posting vis-a-vis revived bands...some months ago I read about the "reformed" Yardbirds touring...I think only one of them were in this group, either McCarty or Dreja, I don't recall.

At any rate, with respect to the Yardbirds, (who I was actually able to see back in 1967), vocalist Relf is dead, and none of the three original guitarists were anywhere near this touring travesty. Unknown if Samwell-Smith is still alive.

I guess the surviving original members of these groups are only trying to enrich their pension funds a bit so as to not rely on cat food for their daily sustenance... Ultimately, I find it sad that groups who once inspired us now embarrass themselves and cheapen their legacies as well.

Oh, and another disappointing revelation for you all: Bayou Sam does NOT have gambling in his veins...


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Posted by:

Ape Shit

Location: the zoo

Subject: These posts

God, I just read more of these posts, how BORING! No one listens to eachother or responds, how COMICAL! Boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring *yawn* boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring BORING BORING BOOOMCHUCK! APe shit ape shit ape shit.


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Posted by:

APE SHIT

Location: monkey poop usa

Subject: monkey poop and other good stuff

Rosalind, Thank you for your boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring comment. Now do what the gentleman says and go use a rolling donut......you strawberry poptart! APE SHIT


Entered at Sun Aug 18 00:37:18 CEST 2002 from (63.121.18.2)

Posted by:

Monkey Poop

Location: Monkey, Poop USA

Subject: the band

The band is cool. but this message board SUCKS....boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring as APE SHIT!


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Posted by:

jeff Newsom

Subject: Mullah

You know to use a rolling donut! Why don't you?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Brennan

Every room has that one person who is more cheap, more ordinary, more typical than the rest. Pat Brennan, you win the prize. You remind me of Al Franken. That is the most insulting thing I can say to anyone. If someone were to give you an emema, they'd have to call in the best exterminator in town to clean up the mess. ~~finis~~


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Watkins Glen

The discussion of Watkins Glen and the skydivers made me wonder, does anyone know about the significance/authenticity of the snatches of conversation between Band members on the bogus Capitol CD? For example, I thought I detected Robbie wisecracking, "Maybe it's the Second Coming!" Pat Brennan, anyone, know about this/want to speculate?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: not to go on too long about this..,

JTull, you are smarter than this - do you truly believe we can eliminate the problem of suicide bombers? It seems western media has given you an odd look at things (as it has with most of us) In the middle east you'd be surprised at the quiet support (silent majority)these folks receive.., In our media we are told (to a degree) what we should lean towards.

We were shocked when Sadat was assasinated - how could such a man of peace be murdered like that - yet in the streets of Cairo there was no mass mournings, the media called it a tragedy, yet they moved on quick. Many, though not supportive of the way it was done, were glad to be rid of Sadat and his overly western views...,

On the other hand, Khomeni was viewed as the devil here..,"For sure the people will seek to overthrow him" was a simplified mind set of the average western observer - yet he was a hero to millions there and when he died, the mourning so sad that thousands flocked to his funeral. It became so out of hand that his coffin was overturned, the passion so consuming, that many had to have one last glance at the man some considered equal to the Hidden Imam (a kind of Pope like equivalance in Islam)..,

Nonetheless, my point is we have little to no clue about there culture and why they have such a disdain for us..,we are told they are fanatics and it is so.., IMO.., we may have the money, the might and the techology to take care of these "problems" but we have niether the passion or the patience to win.., we are only asking for bigger trouble in the long run..., let them grow as nations, let them slaughter themselves, let them take on democracy and western ideals in their own time. We are clueless to their guile and they will kill more of us than them. We have already shown that our military is too merciful and they (fundamentalists) find mercy to be weakness. If you're afraid of a bloody nose, than you shouldn't be in the fight. I'm afraid we will be dragged into a mess we will not be able to pick up after.., If Vietnam was tough, you haven't seen anything and lots of blood will be spilled in our streets, while we run around chasing shadows in the mountains..,


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Clever Mullah

Yup, that kind of incisive irony really rings true. Except that by trying to describe for the witty listener John Walker's background and possible motives, Steve Earle did no more than the Wall Street Journal (a rather long biography of Walker) and CNN (a full hour on Walker), both of whom have evidentally played into the evildoers' hands by--heavens forbid--disseminating information.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Backatcha

I'm not too exact about the skydiver who died at Watkins Glen as Rick told me..I'm not really sure of what song Rick mentioned to me that he was singing at the time, but I remember that the line he said he was singing was ironic...that a guy had fallen to his death while Rick was singing a certain line. Sorry for not being able to be more accurate on that one!!!

Lil: please send me your correct e-mail address and I'll be able to respond. As both Rick and Elizabeth told me...Rick wouldn't come downstairs..and give the guy the satisfaction of killing himself in front of him..instead...the guy was asked to wait in the garden outside of the house..where I guess he eventually DID blow himself away. But not in Rick's or Elizabeth's presence thank God!!! This was when they were living in Los Angeles, by the way.

Have just seen for the second or third time "The Last Days Of Elvis" on E! True Hollywood story. Certain things DID strike a familiar chord in my memories of working with the guys!!! Especially the concept of "cocooning" and being in a sort of insulation-type of existence. Which is the way things are when you are "on the road".

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Terrorism, response to Jeff

Jeff aka Rollie: The purpose of my post was not to get into the what the U.S. gov't may or may not be guilty of. What I was reflecting on is this need on the part of many people to preface any act of Islamic terrorism with some variation of 'well, of course we are guilty of that too' or ' back in 1565 Saint so and so ate the flesh of some Ottoman', and use that relativistic argument to soften any condemnation of 9/11 or the current rise in Islamic anti-western terrorism around the world. My point is that the goal of these terrorists is anti-democratic, anti-technology (they want people to live in tents without electricity, books, media, etc.)violent, and oppressive of their own peoples. All societies and cultures have their dirty little secrets, and the road to a lawful, civil, and free society is not straight but curved. I do not think that our lack of perfection in any way prevents us nor should prevent us from calling a spade a spade.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Holland

Subject: The Brown Eyed Girl

Hee Rollie, don't you agree it's good to see the Brown Eyed Girl posting again? ........(as we both love her)


Entered at Sat Aug 17 19:46:14 CEST 2002 from 1cust35.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.35)

Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: No way, Jose!!!!

Subject: "John Walker's Blues"

I just downloaded the mp3 of Steve Earle's "John Walker's Blues" and must admit that even though music is strictly forbidden under Islamic Law this tune really set my foot a-tappin'!!! I may confer with the Council of Mullahs later today and attempt to arrange an exemption so that this great song may be freely broadcast over Radio Taliban.

Thanks to those GB posters (in particular jeff Newsom f/k/a Rollie and Brien Sz) who are sympathetic to our cause! Unfortunately, when we take over the world The Band website and all websites relating to music (with the possible exception of the Steve Earle site) will necessarily be shut down. There is no God but Allah!!!!!

P.S. Osama, meet me tonight in the Dead chatroom at around 10 o'clock, okay? I'll be using the handle "Owsley." And please change your nickname to something that starts with the letter "Q" - there are far too many "Jerrys" in there - it's getting confusing!!!


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Posted by:

Stanley Landau

Location: Toronto

Subject: Watkins Glen

Andy R: I remember the sky divers, and as Pat notes, they landed so far from the stage that no most people were not aware that anything untoward had happened. However, I don't think that It Makes No Difference had been written at that point in the summer of '73.


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Posted by:

jeff Newsom (formerly known as Rollie)

Subject: Jtull on terrorism

Yo Tull! I think it is erroneous to assume that "our" govt has not been involved in or does not engage in acts of terrorism. Check out the info on Ft Bennings Georgia. I don't think the verdicts in on 9-11 either.In any case, keep on keepin on! As H-I said in "Raising Arizona", "There' what's right and there's what right, and never shall the twain meet!" Gotta love those Coen bros!


Entered at Sat Aug 17 18:19:24 CEST 2002 from (64.80.240.91)

Posted by:

Lil Again

In hindsight, I realize that perhaps I should have asked that last question in a private e-mail. Sorry.
AndyR: If you'd be nice enough to mail me your reply. Thanks. d_lil..at..hotmail.com


Entered at Sat Aug 17 17:51:41 CEST 2002 from 1cust143.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.143)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Jim and Randy

Thanks for the nice comments on the Rockabilly Gurus photos which Jan just put up. Shame, shame on those who live within a 500 mile radius of Lincoln Center and missed this great free outdoor show!!

And now back to the suicide queries and discussions of terrorism...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Mideast politics

Brien, while acknowledging that U.S. and British actions have succumbed to heavy-handedness, and no-doubt will again, from sides both on the right and the left, I cannot feel any sympathy for those in the Middle East who may feel 'victimized' by it, and respond through terrorism. The Islamic terrorist, from the bus-bomb through the 9/11 variety, consist of the most arrogant, 'my way or die' bastards this world has seen to date. The means justify the ends as far as ridding the world of them is concerned.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Andy: I got a chill when you just mentioned about people going to Rick's house to commit suicide in front of him. I distictly remember him telling me about a man who came to his door. I believe Elizabeth answered the door, and Rick came up behind her in time to see this guy shoot himself in the head. I don't think I'll ever forget the look on Rick's face when he talked about that moment. Very chilling.
My question is, did more than one person do that? I only remember that one incident, and by your use of the word 'people' in your post, I thought perhaps there was another one.....? That would indeed be even scarier. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Watkins Glen

When the parachute story first came up here (ahh, for an index), someone posted who actually knew one of the unfortunates. I have a fevered recollection that the group actually stopped playing when the chutes opened and Rick pointed up at them, thus alerting the whole crowd to them. Although the flare smoke was pretty thick, no one thought that anything deadly was going on. There's a Watkins Glen website somewhere that goes into more detail.

Musically, the ABros were the stars of the show, and I think it was their new bass player's first gig.

rosalind, an apt metaphor, especially if you need an enema.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Watkins Glen

Following the Watkins Glen thread, I remember Rick telling me about an incident while The Band was playing, and he was singing "It Makes No Difference" I think, that he was watching one of the several skydivers descend, with smoke generators attached to his shoes, and the guy crashed into the ground and died. Rick described it as very surreal...but compared to many other stories he told me..e.g. people coming over to his house in L.A. to commit suicide in front of him, etc, this was pretty tame. Any one out there who attended Watkins Glen can shed any more light on this event?

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: "Ray and the King"

Up until about a year ago I really wasn't a Elvis fan, sometimes events in your life change your opinion. A little over a year ago my best friend lost his 12 year old son, needless to say it's been a very sad time for thier family, I can't imagine what they are going through, theres not a parent who wants to, with Elvis being so big in the new's this week it's just another stark reminder of the loss of there little boy, as if they needed any. In the era of computer/vidieo games and "Kid Rock" this kid liked tree houses,stingray bikes with banana seats and Elvis Presley, he was a "throwback" or is as the popular phrase for people who liked simpilar times and the old way of doing things he was "old school" The saddest and most beatiful thing I've ever heard was Elvis singing gospel music in a church full of people mourning the loss of a very special little boy....


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: WG and the Box Set - A note about politics in the middle east

How I hope the new box set has lots of rare live pieces. The set list from WG looks tremendous and hopefully will be represented on the rumored box set. I'd also love to hear other excerpts from the Dylan tour, Their First tour, any rehearsals from various gigs, tv appearances, more LW (when they find them of course;) I'd love to hear more alternate takes and mixes as well - that was one of the best things about the reissues (and the new mixes were pretty fab too.)

rosalind - one the biggest problems the US has from a PR standpoint is that we feel our way is the best way and our viewpoints are the best points. That's rather arrogant and why a good portion of the world is neutral to not friendly with us. The middle east is especially wary of western culture and secularism. The Muslim culture is an all encompassing way of life, they believe it is hard if not improper to seperate church(mosque) and state. Look into their history from the days of colonial imperialism when Western ideas and democracy were introduced and you'll see that their experience was that "western" ideals were full of hypocricy. For example the British had a great influnce on the development of Egypt in the late ninteenth and early 20th century. Free elections were only given validity if the party that the British supported were elected, othterwise a coup would be set up or they would redo it and get it rigged, I mean right, the next time. The same is similar with the US involvment in Iran in the 50's. The list goes on and on. Those countries are better off growing on their own. They need to be left alone of heavy western pressure. Personally, I prefer a hands off policy that watches closely. This need to take out Saddam is ridiculous. We are only fanning a fire we cannot control no matter how much money, influence, or force we throw at it. We are not going to change the culture and the mind set of a people by toppling a guy we don't like. That is all I'm saying on this subject for this particular post.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: The Nation

Yes! Let's understand where this guy's head was... let's understand his heart! Let us make the Qur'an required reading for our youngsters. Let us understand our enemy... or on second thought, maybe they're not our ememies at all. Yeah! That's it! Let's see things thru their eyes!

Liberalism is this country's most dangerous enemy. It has crawled up our ass and straight down our throat and ferociously and mercilessly devoured our heart, and right along with it our sight and common sense!


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Watkins Glen

Interesting about The Watkins Glen concert. I've always wondered why such a large gathering got so little attention (at least here on the West Coast) this is the first I've heard of the line-up and what went on there. By most accounts, it sounds like The Band saved the day.

I've heard Jerry say that The Dead played perhaps their worst show ever at Watkins Glen but I'll tell you that I have a recording of The Deads, "Sound Check" and it is legendary brilliance. There is about 25 minutes of free flowing magic from the greatest jam band ever.

I guess they blew their wad the day before the gig.

I miss all the fun.......

Talk amongst yourselves

Night kids



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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Steve Earle

A link to a David Corn article on Steve Earles controversial song. Interesting.


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Posted by:

shirley

Subject: The Band

DOES LEVON HELMS HAVE AN ACTIVE E-MAIL ADDRESS THAT HE WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS AND JUST SHARE OLD TIMES WITH THE BAND IN THE 70'S..? THANKS wd5iat1@netzero.net


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Posted by:

Stanley Landau

Subject: Toronto Garth Show/Watkins Glen

Brown eyed girl: I’m sorry I didn’t get to meet you at the Garth show. He was kind enough to sign my copy of Sea to the North. Amazing guy, amazing performance eh?

Unfortunately I am not able to confirm the quote from Robbie. It was a long incredibly hot afternoon. We had arrived at Watkins Glen the evening before and had been up for about 36 hours baking in the sun and getting thoroughly dehydrated. As everyone knows, in the middle of The Band’s set, the rains came, and the guys left the stage. It seemed like the heaviest downpour I had ever experienced and we were all feeling pretty crummy. It was inconceivable to us that the Band would come back on – it felt like they had been playing for about 45 minutes, and the times I saw them perform up to then, they hadn’t played much more than an hour. We figured we’d had a fairly generous dose of The Band and could live without the Allman Brothers Band anyway, so, much to my everlasting regret, we uh…left.

Anyway, it took some time to get to the car, trekking through the mud and the trash left by 600,000 people. As the rain ended, we began to notice some familiar sounding stains blowing in the breeze. (I think it was WS Walcott, but I could be wrong), But by that time, we were about a mile from the stage and we didn’t have the energy to face going back.

Anyway, including Watkins Glen, I was fortunate enough to see the original line-up perform live nine times, (including great seats for both Dylan/Band shows at Maple Leaf Gardens in ’74) so I guess, all in all, I should count my blessings.


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Posted by:

Hi

Having attended the Roosevelt Stadium show(Jerry Garcia's birthday with fireworks) the Allman Brothers were not there...The Band opened and flew off in a helicopter after their set killing our hopes of any jam... the Band was great but I was disappointed with the Dead who I previously loved live.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Watkins Glen

I think everyone there had a good time. Personally I was communing with the spheres very near Stanley Landau, although I had to weather the Dead's snoozeathon from up close and it wasn't pretty. As to the order, my guess is that the Dead soundchecked last with every intention of going on first the next day; the PA/soundboard etc. would have been set up for them since they went last Friday night. The Band's soundcheck was pretty short, certainly not an hour and a half.

I always recalled WG as a great Band show. However when I finally heard the boot, I changed my opinion conmpletely. Ragged playing, ragged vocals, weird attempts to extend the songs with poor results, really a poor show considering the triumph of the Rock of Ages week.

I believe the Roosevelt Stadium shows did not include the A-Bros.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Stanley Landau and Watkins Glen

Thanks so much for sharing that you were actually at Watkins Glen Stanley! If I knew you were going to be at the Garth show in Toronto I would have blah, blahed your head off about seeing The Band...I have only seen Levon, Rick and Garth. It really irks me how I missed The Band with Dylan in '74 cause I wasn't living in the city then....Anyway, glad to hear that Barney Hoskyns was right about the show....It's interesting to note that he didn't mention Richard in particular....but rather Levon and Garth having a few pulls of Glenfiddich...........Here is the apparent order of songs that night...

Back To Memphis
Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever
The Shape I'm In
The Weight
Stage Fright
I Shall Be Released
Don't Do It
Endless Highway
Genetic Method
Chest Fever
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Across The Great Divide....Hoskyns...(a pounding instrumental jam)
Saved
Up On Cripple Creek
This Wheel's On Fire
The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show
Slippin' And Slidin'
Rag Mama Rag (encore)

As Robbie left the stage he was heard shouting, "You're the most fantastic thing we've seen!".....Robbie also told a reporter later: "There was an alertness to the audience I could not believe."....;-D.....If all this is true Stanley......looks like you and The Band had a blast and will have beau...ti...ful......memories that cannot be erased by anyone......


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Posted by:

Stanley Landau

Location: Toronto

Subject: Watkins Glen

brown eyed girl:

I was in the audience at Watkins Glen and it certainly appeared like the Band was having a good time. (Richard in particular may have been having too good a time swigging from a bottle between songs).

Listening to the Watkins Glen Live album, the only part I am sure is authentic is the Billy Graham introduction. My friends and I were sitting about half a mile from the stage during the Dead’s opening set. All of a sudden we realized that the Band was getting ready to come on. I am embarrassed to admit that many an innocent person was bumped or stepped on as we rushed to get closer to the stage. We started just before Graham began talking and ended up about 50 yards from the stage as the Band finished Back to Memphis. (The first time I’d heard it.) The experience was quite remarkable, as you can imagine, and Graham’s memorable introduction provided an amazing backdrop, (as did The Band playing Back to Memphis of course.)


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Posted by:

rosalind

Thanks for the feedback on the "womb to tomb" stuff. I was a little disappointed but not really surprised at the response. Most fella's first pick up an instrument to get girls and achieve some kind of acclaim from peers, maybe it's not quite the same for women. With fellas it satisfies the ego more, and with women it's something that has to be born there...I guess..in most cases that is.

Hazey Davey's mention of "Yeah!" during Muddy's performance reminded me of the of the night I saw The Last Waltz in a crowded theater in 1978, except for the fact that I was the only woman in the entire place that started sceaming "Yeah!" I got hit on about 40 times before I even got out of the theater!

Mr.D. Thanks for that info into Robbie's youth...Says a lot.

And thanks for the up-date into The Hawks condition. The pancreas ain't nothin' to fool with. I wish all the good blessings in the world to be sifted right down over Ronnie.


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Posted by:

Lo_De2112

Location: United Indians of All Tribes Foundation
Web: My link

Subject: invitation to Seattle Music Festival slated for spring/summer 2003

Mr. Robertson & the Band, Please find this as our invitation to contact us to discuss the possibility of yourself, as well as, your bandmembers to be honored guests at our Native American music festival slated for the spring & summer of 2003 here in beautiful Seattle, WA. Look forward to hearing from you.


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Posted by:

Ray Shackleton

Location: Woodstock,NY
Web: My link

Subject: 49' Hudson

Has anyone seen a green '49 Hudson around Woodstock? It was my first car, I towed it from Big Pink in 1970. I got it from Rick Danko. anyhoo, I was wondering if it was still on the road, I have an old photo of the Band on it and another with Bobby D. with it. Ray, elrayo112@msn.com


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Posted by:

Hazy Davy

Location: Minneapolis

Subject: Robert Bly, Muddy Waters

Been wanting to post this for awhile...The new print of TLW played at Oak St. Cinema here a couple weeks ago. Sitting there alone (my fellow Band fan pal was unavailable...maybe he was at the Wilco show...) and near the front of the house, I turned around to check out the crowd...And seated just a couple rows behind me was none other than Robert Bly! I wanted to say to him, "I'm glad one of our most distinguished poets is also a Band fan!" But I didn't want to invade his privacy. One other note: During the line in "Mannish Boy," when Muddy Waters sings, "...when I wanna make love to a girl, she just can't resist," a large number of women in the Oak St. audience spontaneously applauded, yelled out "Yeah!" etc. It was my first time seeing TLW on the big screen; on TV, I'd never noticed how powerful, how grand, his performance is. Shouldn't have surprised me -- I saw him live, twice, in Toledo, Ohio, and he was great!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Watkins Glen

Hoskyns writes that Bill Graham announced The Band after The Dead.......He shares with the crowd....."It's like waiting for fine wine. And it's been worth the wait." A new song was featured..."Endless Highway" at this gig...expressing all of Robbie's personal frustration with touring. Apparently this show and two others in Joisey had a major effect on the group's decision to tour with Dylan in the New Year...."Certainly Bob was curious to know about Watkins Glen, and grilled Robbie on every aspect of the festival as he weighed up the prospect of going back on the road for the first time in eight years."....Hoskyns claims The Band had a ball at this gig.....true?


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Weider-Ciarlante

Great pix!


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Posted by:

tom the hun

Location: hungary

Subject: band popularity

I never would have thought that The Band's popularity would be doubted on their own homepage. Maybe they've never had hits like The Monkees, or the Mamas and Papas, but please, please: were they ever a real threat to them? It's not just the number of number ones that makes someone a classic. The Band split up 25 years ago and we're still here. By the way, "Watkins Glen" is another example of pure great music -and the thing I like the most about The Band is that they just wanted to be a "Band" (musicians that is) and nothing more. I wish every musician was that humble.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Watkins Glen

Pat: Reading further, McNally seems to get his dates confused, referring to Saturday as July 27. According to McNally, with "at least 200,000 people on-site" by Friday afternoon, it was decided "to make the sound check a public affair." As he recounts, The Band came out first and played around forty minutes, followed by an hour & forty minute set by the Allmans. McNally adds that "Cocaine had lent a competitive edge to the scene, from trailer sizes to backstage amenities, and so the Dead one-upped them and did an entire show" (during their sound check).

On the day of the concert, Saturday, McNally recounts that the Dead played first but does not explain why it was decided that they would be the opening act. He seems to intimate that the sheer size of the crowd (600,000) may have made the group uneasy. He states the the Dead "played listlessly in the heat, perhaps fearing what might happen if they encouraged the crowd to do more than sway." McNally states that "As Weir saw it, they were 'rattled' by the sheer size of everything."

The Band played next and McNally is rather dismissive and abruptly harsh in describing them as "already enervated by heroin and internal politics, [having] not played together in a year."

McNally, however, is quite generous in describing the Allmans' closing set as "superb" and quotes Butch Trucks recalling the jam at the end as "edgy".

Knowing the history of the Dead and the Allman Brothers, I don't know why McNally singled The Band for such criticism that, at certain points, could have applied to the other two bands as well. Perhaps a certain degree of competitive jealousy among the groups may have rubbed-off on McNally as well.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Headliners?

No matter who opened the show, the Band were most certainly a “support” act at Watkins Glen, as they were for any stadium or festival shows they ever played. It’s useful to remember that the Band were never headliners above about the 3,000-seat theater level. In New York, they played the Fillmore, the Academy of Music, the Palladium, the occasional outer-borough hall or college campus, and the Felt Forum underneath Madison Square Garden---never the Garden itself (except when Dylan was selling the tickets in ‘74). As far as Watkins Glen, it wasn’t a one-shot gig. That bill played other East Coast shows that summer (including the thoroughly bootlegged Roosevelt Stadium shows in Jersey City); I wonder if the order of appearance was the same as at Watkins Glen.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Watkins Glen

David P, that's an odd one since the Dead opened the show with The Band following and the A-Bros wrapping it up (oh yes, followed by the all-star jam).


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Posted by:

Bones

That is some bad news from Arista. I wonder if it will see the light of day now.

Hank: I'm kind of confused by your post about Dylan being more of a sideman/jam guy than Robbie. I can't speak for McCartney, but a lot of Robbie's live work the past ten years have been jams. He seems to do it more than Dylan. As far as a sideman, he used to be the ultimate sideman during the Dylan/Hawkins days.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Dressing rooms

Butch rightly appreciated a good dressing room. How about some classic BAD dressing rooms? I nominate a ballroom on the cliff in Bournemouth (where I saw Jethro Tull, The Nice etc in their early days). This had a men's urinal running along the wall. It was pointed out as an asset by the promoter-" so you don't have to go and pee in front of the punters". It seemed a little exposed and no one used it. Then the smell began - it ran straight along from the public urinal next door and the public hit it before the dressing room, which it then flowed through. It was demolished 25 or 30 years ago.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Watkins Glen 1973 Concert

Just started reading Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip -- The Inside History of the Grateful Dead". I skipped ahead & glanced at the chapter covering the Watkins Glen concert. According to Mr. McNally, the promoters "offered the Dead and the Allmans $110,000 each ... Since neither band wanted to open, they needed a third band. At first they considered Leon Russell, but at the last second, the Dead suggested the Band. In the end the promoters had to pay Leon not to play." (p. 456)


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Rick Danko Rerelease

The latest issue of ICE lists a "Best of Rick Danko" on Arista, which has to be the remaster of the 1st solo album plus the live bonus tracks, as "cancelled."


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Mekons/J. Langford/Band

CORRECTION: That eerie fragment of “Whispering Pines” by the Mekons actually closes side 1 of “Fear & Whiskey,” although since CDs don’t have actual sides that require turning, it’s more correct to say that it now appears after “Psycho Cupid” & before “Flitcraft.” In a post the other day about Langford/Mekons-Band connections, I carelessly mentioned that it appeared on “The Edge of the World,” the follow-up to “Fear & Whiskey.” I only mention it because I notice Jan (or an elf) already had a page up in the discography for “The Edge of the World.”

BILL: Thanks for the additional information on the Dianne Brooks session. Not surprised to see Eric Gale & Bernard Purdie were on “Picture Me Gone”; it’s that kind of record. And if Harvey Brooks was producing classy urban soul sides like that one in 1967, he can’t be to blame for “Super Session” & the Electric Flag.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Crabby and Lincoln Centre / Hank

Alright New York's finest Band photographer!! As always you have that rock and roll eye and creativity for photos that are as good as fine art....You were so lucky to have been at the Red Hot Rockabilly Party with Weider, Ciarlante, Felts, Burnette Boyzzz.....I can't believe I couldn't make it to that show........and then the same weekend Buddy Cage was playing a Dead Tribute and Garth and gang were performing as was Canada's Ian Tyson.....Wow!!!!!!.....You are one person in NYC who is out to support live music all the time. Looking forward to the moments you will capture at the Bluezzzzz Cruise next Friday in NYC. Like Crabby I support all former Band members live and not just my fave...;-D

So glad you mentioned Dawn performing with you at the gig we saw Hank....She had a voice that ya wanted to hear more and more of....but please teach your Band some Louuu tunes like you performed at your solo gig....OK?....Sorry...ya know I have a rock and roll heart....BTW...Wasn't it great to see Herbie Flowers in the video?


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Posted by:

butch

Location: Levon-Land

Subject: the blues

well I cant improve on chris' or Joy's posts,, except to add that our friend PETE KANERIS ( sp )from the NIGHTHAWKS, joined the BarnBurners for most of both sets,, he added some burnin Muddy Waters Slide on a buncha tunes & him & Pat really jammed out together,,,,,

The energy level from the band & the audience was @ a fever pitch,,,,Levon was primed & ready ,, like a thoroughbred @ the starting gate,,, & the crowd was sooooo ready to see them,,

they didnt dissapoint,,, blues of everytype,, jump, swing, delta, chicago, MUDDY, Lil Walter, Lazy Lester,,, you name it,, annapolis got it,,, in BLUE ! The RAMSHEAD is a musicians club,,,, clean, nice to thew musicians, GREAT FOOD !!! & lots of it,, a CLEAN DRESSING ROOM WITH NEW FURNITURE,,, these are important things out there,,,,

Jeff Sarli had his parents there , & they were charming ,,,Levon & the fellas many fans were eager to meet & get anything signed & the boss accomodated each & everyone,,,,

Big Joe,,,,, A.P.,,,,,,, Chris Cafiero ( Little Feats ARCHIVIST ) were all a big help to us/me,,,,

Joy got to see something other than a dylan show & really enjoyed our fellas,,,too,,,

chrissy & joyce from baltimore danced all night long & then we were home,,, a good night for LEVON & THE BARNBURNERS !!!!!!!!!!

TONIGHT !!! FRIDAY !!!!!! in NYC @ TRIBECA BLUES,,,

see ya,,,,


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Klagerman /Robertson

I screwed up on some of my details. Jim Robertson was indeed Robbie's natural father. Klagerman came along later. It was Jim Robertson's (Robbie's natural father) funeral that Robbie did not attend. Finally got my facts right I believe from a good source. It's sometimes hard to seperate myth from fact.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Woody

Hank, funny you should mention the Ron Wood at Graceland story. I just bought "Ron Wood by Ron Wood: The Works" and read that anecdote just yesterday. Small world.

I'll drink to Ronnie Wood, every day of the week.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Beware of The Whatnots!!!!

Well, it's 25 years since Elvis left the Building we call Planet Earth......

Folks converging on Memphis, they've got an Elvis lottery scratch card here in Ireland.......win a trip to Graceland!.....From Galway to Graceland! All the look and sound alikes......the pointless merchandise that obscures his musical heritage of Southern Bluesmen'n'women, Western Swing and Religious Quartets.......

Sad, really........

Peter Guralnicks books are really the only things you need to read and know about Elvis.....As far as I'm concerned, despite all his fame and glory from humble origins 'n' all that 'n' all that....for a' that.....Elvis was a great record PRODUCER......he had the ears and knew the importance of performance in the studio.........too bad he never got a chance nor was encouraged to produce someone elses records...it may have been a wonderful way of maturing.....as opposed to being paraded as product by the bad people around him as he was.....and STILL is.......although I must admit I like the new version of "A Little Less Conversation"....but, there again, the original ROCKS as only Elvis could....and you can be damn sure ELVIS pretty much arranged and produced that song.....and then tore it up in performance...which is why this new dancey remix we've been hearing for the past few months over here (ain't that so, Peter Viney?), is SOOOOOO good........Like, it's really too bad that Elvis and Levon never worked together........

Imagine The Band backing Elvis.........

Hey There, Jamie!....if yer reading this....Besta luck!.........

I loved what you said about Danko having a great backing group!....... Rick is the very HEART of The Band.....

If you ever want to make to Ireland, I can get you a great gig in Baltimore, West Cork....and other gigs as well, of course!......

Check out my web-link if you wanna get in touch with me.......There's an email address there.......as we don't do them in here anymore, due to viruses and whatnots...................

(Anyone know What EXACTLY is a "whatnot"?)

Reunion or not......It WOULD be great to hear RR play some rockin' guitar again......

With regards to what BAYOU SAM wrote about RR/McCartney....I think they are actually very much the same...they will NOT be sidemen...you hear of Clapton, Hendrix, Harrison or Sting or Elton John....Dylan, (even!)........ walking on someone elses stage or at someone else's session and say...

"What key are we in?"...and they start cookin'....

...........whereas with the likes of McCartney/RR.....Them boys DON'T jam.................

I'm NOT criticising this, folks...it just appears to be the way things are with these two particular cats.....I got NO problem with that......

(Jaggers the same....you rarely see Sir Mick just jamming...I read a story about how SRV blew Bryan Adams off the stage opening at The Bottom Line in the '80ies...and afterwards whilst Sir Mick was conferring w/SRV backstage, Adams tried to get Jagger to sing with him........ "Do yer own gig, man" came the reply from Sir Jagger........I'm aware Mick Jagger ain't the most popular person round these here GB parts, but I thought that was pretty cool.......)

Ronnie Wood is ALWAYS jumping up to jam.....and that's cool, too........

Who here would NOT let Ronnie jump up and boogie?.......WHY not?........

They should make Ronnie a Knight, too.....for scaling the Walls of Graceland in 1976 and trying to save Elvis!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond(Back Home!)

Subject: Bayou Sam, Thank-you

B. Sam: Thanks for the mention. Glad someone appreciates my dry humor. Before flying home today I stopped at Mall of America and found The Making of The Band on DVD, and just enjoyed it immensely, for a moment. Then I went to move my sprinkler and a police car came and approached, stopped, and the officer approached me. Seems someone took down my wife's license plate at our health club last night and claims she hit a parked car while leaving. (News to me!)So... we will have a talk once she gets home from bookclub tonight. Well, I'm upset but I will take a gentle tact. It may be a mistake or a minor thing blown out of proportion, but either way we are screwed, because now our insurance co. will check our records and find I got a reckless driving ticket last year for excessive speeding in Dinwiddie (doesn't THAT sound Southern. Trust me, it is hick Virginia)County last year driving back from a business trip in Charlotte. So, I play play realllly nice so when I screw up next I can point to this rare incident of my being understanding, and get away with something! :)


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Posted by:

Patrick

Web: My link

Subject: i send no sickness

i'm the man with the email of "garthhudson@hotmail.com". i guess people are getting viruses for some strange reason. I don't know much about computers so i have no idea how viruses are created. i am not a computer geek. i have a girlfriend! anywho. i do get alot of junk mail, and i filtered it so i get none now. so no one can e mail me but friends. i hope the viruses stop. sorry everyone. computers are crazy crazy gadgets!


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Posted by:

Chris Dougherty

Location: South Jersey

Subject: Annapolis..

Well, I have to second Joy Munsens post, what an incredible show in Annapolis last night. Joy, I also took the scenic route to the show. Mine was by way of the Hospitol Emergency Room for kidney stones! Thought I was gonna meet my maker until they got some drugs in me and I got my brother to call and change our tickets to the late show. The great people at The Ram's Head nicely took care of it. I made it to the show like death warmed over but I instantly felt better when I talked to Levon, Butch, Pat and Chris. The nicest bunch of people a person would want to meet. The Blues were my healing power last night!! The Barnburners as a group and individually were on fire and sounded great!!! Great place to see a show. Thanks again Butch and Levon for your kindness!! More to post but I just got back to Jersey and still feel like HELL! Thanks.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: just more stuff - hey, I'm on vacation so I got time to kill, what a thrill

Jamie = nice story. That kind of story shows up here every now and then, and it reminds me of what it's all about. Oh and, good luck.

Bob Dylan, the piano player in The Band? Wasn't The Band pretty well set as far as keyboards go?

I just read an interesting piano player story that has nothing (nutin if you're in The Bronx) to do with The Band. While playing in Germany in '62, the Beatles hooked up with a great piano player who was the house player at a big time club in Hamburg. After the Beatles went back to England, Brian Epstein approached the guy and told him that the Beatles would like him to join the group as a full time member. During this time Epstein was hitting all the record companies trying to get signed. The piano player thought for a minute and decided that, although he liked the idea, he was better off sticking to his current gig, which was a nice paying, long term deal at this Hamburg club.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Rick Danko CD

Bones, Arista has the CD listed as a TBA on their release sheets. Meaning it was pulled for some last second tooling, or simply it wasnt quite ready by the release date.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Carry that torch.

Jamie,

Your post is, without question, the best thing I've read here in a long, long time.

Spread the word and enjoy every note of The Band's wonderful music.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Stan Szelest

Stan Szelest played with Lonnie Mack for several years. A while back I rediscovered a great album Stan recorded with Lonnie, "Strike Like Lightning" (Alligator). As the title suggests, this album smokes! It also features the talents of Stevie Ray Vaughan and Tim Drummond. I picked it up when it first came out on LP but I believe it is available on CD.

Thanks John D. for keeping us posted and thanks Jamie for sharing your story of discovering The Band. "The sacred harp was handed down, from father unto son."


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Posted by:

Jamie

Location: Baltimore

Subject: The Band in my life

My story of The Band is as follows....

I was 11 years old when I first began buying music. I had grown up on my dad's music (Beatles, Dylan, Stones), but had been too young to understand truely great music. It was 1992. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, R.E.M. were on radios across the country.

I was a quiet kid who had a great imagination and big goals. For my mother's christmas present that year, my father gave her a boxed set entitled "Across the Great Divide." I had heard my father speak of this group called The Band before with a passion he usually saved only for Frank Robinson. Christmas night, 1992, was the first time I heard The Band.

I told my dad that I enjoyed what I heard, so days later he rented for me a film called "The Last Waltz." I was completely blown away at what I saw. I can't say anything about the music that hasn't already been said. But seeing these men on stage was a personal epitomy. Here I was, first year in middle-school, all I saw performing wer guys in lousy clothes banging around guitars and going through the motions. "The Band has class," I thought. "I want to have class!"

I had so many thoughts after completing the film. "That Danko guy has a GREAT back-up band!" "I wish I could do anything half as good as Levon plays music." "Too bad Richard didn't sing more." "Who in the name of god is playing keyboards?" And obviously, "where did those songs come from?"

The next afternoon I tore through my dad's vinals, looking for everthing of theirs I could find. I was a fanatic of The Band. Over the next year or so, I heard basically every track The Band produced. As a middle-school kid, I couldn't imagine better songs than "The River Hymn," "Chest Fever," or "Rockin' Chair" existed. I'm not sure I had much of a clue of what they were singing about, but I knew that someday I would.

I am closing in on my own personal 10 year anniversary with The Band. I originally had planned to spend the evening by myself, starting with Big Pink and continuing to The Last Watlz. However a unexpected thing happened a few moths ago. The Last Waltz came out on DVD. To make a long story short, I have many close friends who are now as fanatic as I am.

I am happy to have found such a place where I can meet others who have had a similar experience as I have had. The Band influences me directly everyday. I have been fortunate to have had my band become one of the top local bands in Baltimore. One of our covers, a peculiar ditty called "The Weight," is the best received tune every time we play. Once in a while someone will tell me how much we remind them of The Band, and I become overcome with emotion. As the lone songwriter & guitarist of my group, I have quite an act to follow. Wish me luck.

Great1JG@aol.com


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Chesapeake, Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Annapolis Bound and Back

When I heard the Barnburners were coming to Annapolis (just one state away) , I figured I had better jump at the chance to see what all the fuss was about. I left on Tuesday at 9 am, taking the scenic route up route 17 and then 301. It took me 5 and 1/2 hours to go 215 miles!! That's enough scenery for me! I got there a day early, hoping to sightsee a little. I found my hotel, put on my walking shoes and ventured out to find the Ramshead Tavern. Having found it very quickly, I decided to take a harbor tour. Nice place to visit if you haven't been there. Lots of historic sights, shopping and places to eat.

I eventually met up with Butch and his friend, Joe, who both took good care of me. The Ramshead Inn was the place to be on Wednesday night! Great food (thanks for dinner, Joe!), nice atmosphere and friendly folks!

The first show started 15 minutes late because Jeff (who is from that area) was in traffic. Chris commented that Jeff can be on time for out of town shows, but he can't even get to a local show on time!

The show got off to a scorching start. Chris can play the HELL out of that harmonica. I think I was impressed most by that. I just kept staring at him! I'd never seen Levon play live, and he was as impressive as everyone comments. He's amazing...the best at what he does. Jeff on his upright bass, making love to it as someone commented that night. (I think it was Joe!) Pat on guitar, looking all nice in his suit... wow...just awesome.

Unless you're new to this guestbook, you already know that Levon is quite a friendly guy and welcomes photos and will sign anything you put in front of him. He's one of a kind.

I sent Jan some pictures to post on the webpage. They turned out okay, and it's always nice to see pictures of the Barnburners.

If the Barnburners are ever close by you, and you haven't seen them, I give them a thumbs up.

I decided to NOT take the scenic route home today...made it home in 3 hours and 57 minutes! The trip was well worth the time and expense. Thanks to Butch and Joe and Levon and the Barnburners!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Robbie Robertson's Real Father

According to Serge who knows the senior Robertson's family the story regarding Robbie's Biological Father's death is one of fiction. According to Serge, who heard this from the Robertson clan is that Klagerman actually was killed by a car while changing a tire on the Queen E highway. Not as Dylanesque as the gangland murder; but apperently the way it really went down. I also heard that Robbie never attended the fueral of his adopted father, Mr. Robertson Senior. This according to Serge whose done a lot of homework in these early issues.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stan Szelest

Stan Szelest's name has come up and so it should. Just for those of you who don't know........Ronnie Hawkins has told me many times over that Stan Szelest was the best piano player HE EVER HAD, IN ANY OF HIS BANDS over the years. That includes Will Pop Jones, Beak and others. Ronnie truly admired Stan. He was a gentle soul with a big heart. Too Soon Gone.


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Posted by:

Ragtime (again, sorry?)

;-)


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Posted by:

Ragtime

Ragtime, très fatigué, says: change Ilkka for his dog...


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again, sorry)

Sorry, I forgot that this is Internet...
To Hank :-)
To Ragtime ;-)
To Erasmus Rotterdamus :))))))))))))))))
To Norbert - How could I forget another SAAB driver!


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Posted by:

Bones

Any word on the Danko disc? Have they pulled it? I was getting excited that Arista was releasing it because they have never released it on cd before and it should sound great if it has been remastered with bonus tracks.


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Posted by:

Bill

Bumbles: Following up on my note yesterday, Harvey told me that Pete Dino was the arranger, Jimmy Merrill the bassist, Eric Gale the guitarist and Bernard Purdie the drummer. Dianne Brooks herself has a listing in the covers-by-others section of Jan's discography - for her wonderful version of "Small Town Talk".


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: SAAB/Self Portrait/Band reunited/Ragtime

1) SAAB - a short history: SAAB means "Swedish Aeroplane Industries". After WW2 there were no markets for fighters so they made a car, similar to those 2-stroke cars from Eastern Germany. In the 70s they invented the turbo engined family car. Now the factory is owned by GM. Beside Levon the other famous Band profiles driving (or have driven) a turbo SAAB are Peter Viney and a certain Ilkka.
2) Self Portrait is the best Dylan album.
3) Band reunited: to have Bob Dylan on _PIANO_ , wow. Thanks Hank, these are the wisest word in gb since I said that Bob Dylan should play piano in The Band.
4) Ragtime said: change Eric Clapton for Paul McCartney. Ilkka says: change Ragtime for Erasmus Rotterdamus!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: thoughts- meandering like a wind inside a letterbox...

Hank = I love when you post after a gig and your kind of wound-up and tired at the same time....I dosen't look like they want Macca in your fantasy band. McCartney bashers put Robbie bashers to shame......McCartney had his own "na na na's" in Hey Jude, so he could sing that part of Dixie great.....wait a minute - Hey Jude came out the year before Dixie. Robbie ripped off Levon AND Paul McCartney - the bastard.***NOTE - the preceeding was just a joke - I'm not a RR basher.

Rosalind = I'm staring at the screen blankly.

Rollie = It comes from within - no special outside place.

I've got a recording of a song by Bill Kirchen called "Womb to The Tomb". Kind of covers it all.


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Posted by:

AlexL.

Location: England

Subject: Self Portrait

Dont call Bob Dylan's "Self portrait" 'dissapointing'. This album is quirky masterpiece! Also a a 4cd Basement Tapes bootleg called "A Tree with Roots" was released by White Bear. It contains 128 tracks, and the sound quality is superb. Visit www.bobsboots.com for more infomation. Good site 8 out 9.


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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Hank's reunion

Hank -- I like it, but to be (at least a tad) bit more realistic, how about Chris Hillman on bass and vocals?


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Posted by:

Johnny Flippo

Subject: Band Reuinion

All this talk about a Band reunion is insane. That won't, however, stop me from participating. Here's a scenarion which might work.

In anticipation of the pending "definitive box set" which RR has been alluding to, the surviving members could pull a "Threetles". Clean up a tape of Richard and Rick performing live, and overdub backing. Each surviving member could overdub their parts separately, a la the Ronny Hawkins track of a couple years ago. No one would have to be in the studio with anyone else, they wouldn't have to speak and no arguments would ensue. Not a very soulful solution, but definitely doable.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Ros' Rocking

Ros,

You reminded me of that wonderful John Mayall tune............."Womb to Move".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: garland jeffreys

Garland Jeffreys....another musician who was greatly influenced by THE BAND'S BIG PINK period. He also lived not far from Woodstock as well. As I have posted before he was friends with Louuuu Reed in the early sixties and apparently ran into him again at a Doc Pomus fundraiser.....I wanted to be at that show but I already had tickets for Dylan......Garland was one of the first musicians to combine reggae and rock in his music and like myself really loved the work of Marley and The Clash.

He thought Stan Szelest was an amazing piano player and learned a lot from the time they played music together but in the end......He learned.....that he'd rather be a solo artist than in a band.......Why is that Garland?....;-D.........If anyone has seen Garland live please post 'cause I'd love to hear about his shows. Listening to his "New York Skyline" tune takes on a complete new meaning now. I used to play that song everytime I was off to NYC....but since I was on top of the World Trade Centre two months before the bombing I can't even listen to this song anymore since I have photos where I am standing on top of the Centre thinking now......It's true......It just wasn't my time to leave yet.....

BTW....I can't stop listening to Springsteen's NOTHING MAN....and the boppy LET'S BE FRIENDS SKIN TO SKIN.......


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Artistic Flow

I think making music is like any art where when you're really doing it your mind is working out of a certain place where you are not really consciously thinking--now I'm going to put some red here, now I'm going to play a C major or whatever. You just do it and it is your creation because it's coming from you, but most of it is not from a conscious or intentional place. Even writing can be like that, where the words somehow come out just right but you're not struggling for them, they're just there, like your head put them together behind your back and you think "whoa, how did I come up with that?!" I think it feels like it's coming from the outside, but it's really from the inside. I think some people call it being "in flow" and I think you lose your sense of time when you're in it.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Szelest, Konikoff

Vintage Violence. Why didn’t it list the musicians? In the Rolling Stone review reprinted in the CD sleeve, Ed Ward says “Mention should be made of another of the album’s enigmas – the musicians. I have never heard a backup band – overdubbed as they may be – with such an incredibly organic flow ……… there is little indication of who they are although it would be a safe bet to say they include members of a band called Grinder’s Switch who put out a perfectly awful album a few months back.’ It’s unusual that the CD issue prints this review, but still doesn’t give full credits. Though in tiny print it does say ‘Thanks to Belsey, Stan Szelest, Ernie Corrala, Sandy Konikoff, Harvey Brooks and Garland Jeffries.’ Mind you, it had “piss take” sleeve notes which were popular at the time. Ever since the “Volunteers” sleeve I’ve thought of Bob Dylan as Bud Dolan and Chuck Berry as Buck Cherry.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: music ;its true essence

interesting roz.sex with the devil hmmmmm...great movie rosemary's baby. drat !there i go talking about movies again.seriously though,i think i see where your coming from.i do believe that we are all essentially spiritual beings whether we realise it or not. music for me is a spiritual form. we respond to this naturally. great music is like being in church.music is transcendent. it takes us to another place. i remember when i first heard acadian driftwood, i was drawn into the song to the extent the world outside seemed to dissapear. jeez im rambling now. i hope this makes sense roz. peace richie.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Roz in the Womb,Band lineup

Roz... my X wife layed there like a rock, "um woops" that was in bed while we were married come to think of it, it's a good thing it was church music you were hearing and not "Up On Cripple Creek" or your poor Ma Ma would have thought you were bustin out... Seriously though, my oldest son was a shaker and mover all the time, I don't remember it being at specific times though, I don't recall hearing anything like your Mother's experiance that being specificlly your reaction to music, that might explain your ear for music, were constantly developing in there ...

The addition of Clapton to any Band reunion would be great, but I think the boys could find something for Neil Young to do also, ahh hell what about the Doctor and Van, wait a minute, I think this has been done before...


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Posted by:

Ragtime

Subject: Hank's Band Reunion Proposal

Hey Hank,

Say "Eric Clapton" for "Paul McCartney" and I'm with you...


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Posted by:

rosalind

I needed to emphasize the word "Lover" in my last post as in "real quality music lovers" (before this scrolls by and I never get another chance to bring it up)...cause that's what it is. My mother always told me it was the equivalent of having sex with the devil, I'm inclined to believe it. (I hope I didn't overstep any boundary with saying that) There must be peope here that understand where this is coming from.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Thanks Rollie..

I have always wanted to ask this question in here. I have asked every quality musician I have ever met this question, and usually I just a shake of the head or a blank stare. My mother told me many years ago one of the most important and mysterious things I ever heard, and it was about me. She told me when I was in the womb, that I just laid there like a rock, never moving, she couldn't even hardly tell I was there, until she would go to church and that old piano would start ..She told me she would have to hold her coat around her body and squeeze to keep me from pounding my way out, and at times would actually have to leave and walk me around outside till I quieted down enough for her to go back in. The question is, and I know that you people are Real quality music lovers and musicians, you simply cannot be drawn to The Band and not have an ear for the real deal. Have you or anyone you have ever spoken to about such things had that same type of experience?


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Posted by:

Mary (bear)

Location: Western PA

Subject: The Band Reunited, and Levon

Well while it would be wonderful to see The Band Reunited, it isn't going to happen EVER! I am sorry I didn't get to see the original 5 perform, but their music does live on. But, I still have enjoyed Ricks solo projects, Levon has one hell of a fine band, and I am looking forward to seeing Garth and The Crowmatix perform in Bryn Mawr in October. I am also looking forward to obtaining Richards cd, and I have enjoyed Robbies solo projects. /n Now on to my next point......Is anyone planning to attend the Heritage Music Festival this weekend in Wheeling, WV. You can go to www.heritagemusicfest.com for ticket info and the list of artists for the 3 day event. Levon is playing this Sunday the 18th at 2 p.m. I believe. Maria Muldaur will be there also. Anyone that can attend is in for a great show, and Butch is right, Levon is having a great time just playing the music. You can see it on his face as he plays, he is having the time of his life. So come on out and catch the show...../n Hi to lil, it has been a few weeks.....donna, and calm..Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: The Band (and the metaphysical world)

To any disciple of the Band, it should be readily apparent that a certain member(Honey boy) seems to be tapped into another dimension when propelling those masterful solos(be it on the keyboards or sax)into the universe. His work on Northern Lights-Southern Cross is "other worldly". So it should come as no surprise to any one to find out that our man Merlin is deeply into the world of dowsing,(finding water with the use of sticks). Check out Levons book for an example of this. Which brings me to the topic of crop -circles. ( I can hear those snickers already!!) Now , I don't have an opinion on this phenomenon(yet), but one did just appear very close to here a couple of days ago. While I believe it was a prank, it did get me interested in the subject so I checked out a couple of web sights(see the link). Where am I going with this? I'll be fucked if I know! But it makes me think about the number of times I 've heard people describing how certain musicians seem to be a source or a channel ( an example being Jimmie Vaughans description, or Claptons for that matter, of stevie being able to tap into some other force). I think it's fair to say that many musicians have experienced that moment when they are completely "of the moment", where music just seems to flow through them. How many times have we come away from certain musical performances with the feeling that we've just had a religious experience? I wonder? Do aliens listen to "Northern Lights-Southern Cross" in their travels?


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Just Like The Rolling Stones........

Well, actually, noooo...I COULDN'T let a "Band Reunion" thread go by

.......without adding my two (euro) cent (s)....

There IS a way you could get RR, Garth and Levon back onstage again....or even in a studio.......

All it would take is a phone call (with a offer of decent bread and conditions) from Bob Dylan....

Here's a band that would work (and everyone here would probably pay $5000 each to see it, too):

Bob Dylan - vocals, guitar and piano

RR - lead guitar, vocals

Garth - all kindsa keyboards and sax

Levon - drums, mandolin, guitar, bass

and.....uh...Paul McCartney - bass, vocals, guitar and keys

They'd have to do a bit of rehearsal, perhaps, but, yes.....you could put those 5 gentlemen on a stage and it would work as well as any band out there.......Yea or Nay?

Alternatively, the aforementioned 5 gentlemen could ALL join a new incarnation of Ringos All-Starr Band and you could have a Beatle/Bob Dylan/Band touring group..........

What'cha reckon, folks?

Now, don't everyone get all sniffy on me and start complaining about this is all fantasy, blah, blah blah.......I mean, in 1987, who woulda thought Bob Dylan, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Tom Petty and..uh..Jeff Lynne would get together and make a great record?......

Seriously, tho' I bet'cha that if Bob Dylan called on Levon, Garth and RR to play on his next album......they'd do it......and it'd be GREAT, too.......

I could be TOTALLY wrong......but, there ya go..MY contribution to "The Band Reunion" thread.......

Na-Na-NaNa-NAAAAAAAA


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Na-Na is the saddest word..........

Na Na Na Na Na-Na..........Na-Na

Maybe y'all could help me with this AMAZING DISCOVERY I made tonight......

I do this segue of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" into "Blind Willie McTell" at my acoustic gigs.......it works, y'know....and I'm dead proud of it.....it always goes down a treat.....two great songs about The Rebel South........

(Much empathy for the rebels here in Cork....)

anywho......

Y'all remember how Rick used to sing "Na Na Na Na Na-Na" in between verses of "Blind Willie McTell" at his solo gigs?......Well, it struck me tonight, as I was performing in a tiny pub in Ballydehob (yes, seriously) that............

THE "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s OF "BLIND WILLIE McTELL" AND THE "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s OF "DIXIE" WERE ONE AND THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\

THEY ARE THE SAME "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s!!!!!!!!!!......

OR AT LEAST FROM THE SAME FAMILY OF "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s..........

Close Relatives...........

You wanna know how I know that?....Well, it's simple, really............

When I sang the chorus of "Dixie", all the people (at the gig) were singing

"Na Na Na Na Na Na Na.... NaNa Na Na Na Na Na Na Na!!!!!"......

......and THEN, when I started "Blind Willie McTell", I began by singing

"Na Na Na Na Na Na...Na Na Na ....Na Na Na...Na Na"

.....and the next time I sang it (in between verses 2 and 3) ALL the people in the pub in Ballydehob

SANG IT WITH ME!!!!!!!.......

JUST LIKE THEY DID DURING "Dixie"!!!!!!!!!

AND THEY WUZ ALL SMILIN' AND SANGING IT WITH FEELIN' AND GUSTO AND STUFF!

Needless to say, I was blown away .......and thought "Man, I can't wait to tell them all on the GB about this!!!......"

Of course, I humbly await someone here to tell me that this is what Rick meant ALL ALONG by singing the "Na Na" bit on "Blind Willie McTell".....or that Bob Dylan would NEVER sing "Na Na Na Na Na-Na".........which is fair enuff and why I like coming to The GB, anyway........

(For you musos out there wondering how I get from "Dixie" to "Blind Willie McTell".......

I play "Dixie" in the key of G Major but I finish it on an E Minor Chord....

.....which is where I begin playing "Blind Willie McTell".....

......got it?)

(Yes, Yes, I KNOW "Dixie" should be in the key of C Major and be played so quietly so as not to wake the newborn baby yadda yadda yadda.......)

Now......don't THAT just beat all these Band Reunion posts?

(Sing out loud in kids-playground voice and melody) "Na Na NaNa NAAAAAA!"


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: stuff

rosalind = thanks for the beating - I'm still sore.

J Tull = funny post - I almost fell off the chair laughing.

Band Connection = this post is on the Band website.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: The Hawk

Fyi, this wire service report, an excerpt of which is repeated here, is about 24 hours old. I thought I'd pass it along because I don't believe anyone else has.

TORONTO — Legendary rocker Ronnie Hawkins had a tumour removed from his pancreas on Tuesday. It was not immediately known if the growth was cancerous.

His family would only say that the Arkansas-born Hawkins was recovering from surgery and was grateful for all the good wishes sent from fans and friends. Producer David Foster, former U.S. President Bill Clinton and actor Kris Kristofferson were among those reported to have called the 67-year-old rocker prior to the surgery. “While deeply appreciative of this good will, the family would like to request privacy at this time,” read a family statement.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Gettin' Jiggy

JOE and BILL: I've passed along this little tidbit from Arthur Scammell's website to members of the Bottles Caps. Hope they can correct the credit before the CD comes out!

"At the age of 15, Arthur Scammell (1913- ) wrote one of Newfoundland's most famous and enduring folk songs, Squid Jiggin' Ground. When Gerald S. Doyle included it in his popular songbook, the song became an immediate favourite thanks to its lively tune and colourful, irreverent lyrics:

"Oh this is the place where the fishermen gather,
With oilskins and boots and cape-anns battened down.
All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers,
They congregate here on the squid jiggin' ground.

"Scammell's recording of Squid Jiggin' Ground, released in 1943, is generally considered the first commercial recording of a Newfoundland folk song. Scammell reported that between 1942 and 1979, sales of the record and sheet music earned him $35,000 in royalties."

I've only heard a small sample of the B.C.'s version, but rest assured Joe, Stampfel sounds absolutely nothing like Hank Snow, and "exuberance" is his middle name. BTW, Good to see you back in the GB!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

No-Wife__Yeah, But he might knock that hump on your back off.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Location: Chevrolet (An AMERICAN car!)

Mr. Anonymous Weasel, (where have I seen the spider.aol isp before?) - who exactly is the person who intimidates me more than anyone else in the world? Is it you, or Levon? Anyway, although I'm not scared of Mr. Helm, I wouldn't get into a fistfight with him simply because I'd worry that any possible damage to my gorgeous face would have a negative impact on my career as a professional model. BTW, my shrink told me to save my mindless rants for The Band GB. She's actually the one who told me about this site. Strange. Is she a friend of yours?

JTull, don't forget about putting Roger Daltrey with Pete Townshend, then adding Ringo Starr's kid, and an old friend on bass. Add Rabbit Bundrick on keyboards, and you'd probably get more that 100%. Oh, wait...


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Posted by:

Joe

Location: The Rock

Subject: Squid Jiggin' Ground

Art Scammell is (was) a Newfoundland educator and writer who composed a number of folk songs of which "Squid Jiggin' Ground" is the most notable. Hank Snow's plummy-voiced version somehow misses the exuberance with which it should be sung.

Incidently I'm a long time Guestbook follower who hasn't posted since that hellish morning I learned that Ricky passed on. I sorta got away from the 'book for awhile but got reacquainted in an internet cafe at the Ali Mall in Quezon City while on a Far East vacation but that's another story.

I also just got a copy of Eric Anderson's "Blue River" and listened to it for the first time in twenty years. Band connection (besides Eric) - the "Rag Mamma Rag" chorus to 'Pearl's Goodtime Blues'.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Actually, anything can be discussed here. Generally, the topic should be interesting.


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Posted by:

Bill

Bumbles: "Sometimes I Wonder", the flipside of your Dianne Brooks record - one of two produced by Harvey Brooks (no relation) for Verve - was written by Dianne and her then-husband Steve Kennedy, who was in one of Robbie Robertson's little pre-Hawkins groups.

As David Powell noted, Harvey was later in the Fabulous Rhinestones with Kal David and Marty Grebb. Richard Bell played on their second LP - and may have been in the group too.

A couple of other noteworthy Harvey Brooks gigs were with Dylan, Robertson, Helm and Kooper in NY and Hollywood, and with the great Electric Flag with Buddy Miles, Mike Bloomfield (and Michael Fonfara - who I mentioned yesterday in a post about Richard Bell).


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Minneapolis waiting to fly home.

Subject: Country/Bluegrass Pink Floyd + Beatles reunion.

Funny the country/bluegrass Pink Floyd got mentioned the day after I saw a Country/Bluegrass tribute to Pink Floyd CD at the Mall of America. Perhaps this is the source. On reunions, if we have no shame and consider a Band reunion in 2002, why not a Beatles reunion? Ringo + Paul equal 50% of the group, and we can throw both Julian and Sean Lennon in, counting them at 12% each based on genetics, so now we are up to 75%. Throw in Yoko (vocal on Bungalow Bill) and we can push that to 77% of the group. Add Zack Starkey and we can call it 89-1/2%, and Dani Harrison and a McCartney child or two on tambourine, and we can get the genetic count 100, maybe 104%. Add Pete Best and we can call it 110%, and maybe an offspring have forgotten, and we can have 125% or more of the Beatles, today! Silly argument, eh? So why do it with The Band.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Richie_ No! Movies are not usually discussed here, unless it be The Last Waltz or something connected to any member of The Band. This place (if you asked some of the more astute regulars) is considered a kind of "Algonquin Round Table" ( or as I like to refer to it "The Vicious Circle") discussion of The Band and it's members and musical friends, past, present and future. It has "The Band" written on the door. I prefer a more general and open discussion too but ..... Ladies and Gentlemen, It's The Band!

I think if Levon and Robbie would ever tour again they should call themselves Sam and Dave or "The Duellists". Of course they'd have to hire someone extra to keep the fencing equipment shiney and sharp as hell!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Richard = good point, and obvious too, now that you've pointed it out. The Canadian view of the Falls is superb. I went up in that Skylon Tower and you get a spectacular view of both Falls....The N.Y. side is has more of a small town feel. I did stop at the N.Y. Hard Rock Cafe and picked up a very cool t-shirt that has an electric guitar with water falling off the end of it.

The Band cannot exist now any more than the Beatles could. One of the huge things about the Band's greatness is "those three voices". They ain't there anymore. Let's be glad they were there at all and move on.

Have you seen "Creedence Clearwater Revisited" out on tour. No Fogerty of course. Who would pay money to see that? I wouldn't even put on pants and walk to the car to go see that for free.(I am wearing pants now BTW - but still)

I heard a cover of Pink Floyd's "Hey You" by a group called Luther Wright and The Wrongs. It's done in an uptempo, country/blugrass feel. At first it's funny, then you realize that it works. It's really good. The band has a website, and they've done other covers. Has anyone else heard this?

Elvis has been dead for 25 years this weekend. Will he EVER rest in Peace? I heard a radio commercial for a line of Elvis furniture, which includes some signiture items. Dosen't that mean that Elvis personally endorses these items ?......I also saw a TV item that said that in the last year Elvis made 37 million dollars. Not doing him much good is it. What a freakin' shame.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Harvey Brooks

As I recall, Harvey Brooks was a member of the Woodstock-based group The Fabulous Rhinestones in the early '70s. That group also included two former Chicago area musicans, guitarist Kal David (formerly with Illinois Speed Press) and Marty Grebb (formerly with the Buckinghams) on keyboards & horns. Marty Grebb later worked with The Band on "Jubilation".


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Harvey Brooks

The name Harvey Brooks seems to be attached to all manner of interesting projects. Just last week I listened for the first time to Dianne Brooks’ 1967 Verve recording of “Picture Me Gone”—the sort of urban soul record I’d never associate with Harvey Brooks—and was surprised to see him listed as the producer. (BTW: I didn’t have much luck when I searched the Web for more information on those sessions, but I did find what I take to be an authoritative essay on Ms. Brooks & her oeuvre by one Bill Munson.)


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Posted by:

Bill

Richard: The BMI site lists three (!) songs entitled "Squid Jiggin' Ground" - one by O'Neal, one by Norman Martin and one by Art Scammell. They list an unbelievable number of songs by each of the first two (and I do mean unbelievable) and a handful by Scammell - many dealing with mundane Newfoundland things like squid jiggin'. I have seen a Scammell 78 listing his as the writer, though. Oh yeah - the site shows no indication that snow had anything to do with the writing.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: nice one pat!

ouch! point taken pat my old son. however i still think the enigma that was/is christopher jones is an intriguing topic.movies are an oft discussed subject on this gb are they not? did you ever see wild in the streets. an amazing movie.peace. richie


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Posted by:

Bill

Thanks Bumbles. That Harvey Brooks sure got around, didn't he. Wasn't he on Emily Latella's "Vintage Violins" too?


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: The Jig is Up!

BILL: You're quite right, the song is called "Squid Jiggin' Ground", but the website for the soon to be released Bottle Caps album lists the authors as Hank Snow/Jimmy O'Neal.

Re their interpretation: "Ol' Hank recorded it with just an acoustic guitar, maybe a backup acoustic. The Bottle Caps rendition marries the music of Bach & Bono...(Sonny that is. Not that other guy.)"


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Posted by:

Bones

Donna makes an excellent comment, for all three surviving Band members are playing wonderful music and doing the things that they want to do. I'm enjoying keeping up with them through this web site. It's very sad that we have lost two members, as have other notable Hall Of Fame groups of their era, but we are lucky that new product is still coming out. Recent discs by Richard, Garth and Robbie have been released as well as some great blues cds with Levon on drums. Plus, I am still having a blast listening to The Last Waltz box set with 24 new tracks!

Thanks to Jan for letting us enjoy all this in here as well.


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Posted by:

G-MAN

Subject: THE USUAL

Wanna B-movie star!! What??? Check out RRR(Robbie Re-Relase Robertson)in Crossing Guard! How could he hope to come close to the standards he set in Corny,,I mean Carney!!!!


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Posted by:

gazza

Location: the peaks of derbyshire

Subject: molly girl

"

" molly nice to hear from you again,chicken is good but sundays should be good scotch beef roasted,with yorkshire puddings.if that does,nt get the old heart racing nothing will.one question from one shop keeper to another do you sell chewin bacca?


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Posted by:

Eric

Location: Upstate NY
Web: My link

Subject: celebrating THE BAND

The legacy of the band can be seen throughout modern music and gratitude is owed to everyone involved in this magnificent project. Keep celebrating with those who are carrying on the great music. (check out the above website for my neighborhood doing their part.)


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Vintage Violence

The backing band on John Cale's "Vintage Violence" was Stan Szelest, Ernie Corallo, and Sandy Konikoff from Grinder's Switch with Harvey Brooks added on bass.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Music

Some thoughts on the BAND post LW. I wish Rick would have never stoped after just 1. I wish Robbie and Richard would have made an album with Between Trains as a hint of how it may have sounded. Funny, I don't wish for another BAND work.

Changing directions-The new Bruce release is fantastic. The songs 'Nothing Man' and 'Into The Fire' are masterpieces in my opinion.

RR's 'Carry Me' would also make a great selection for any Sept 11 charity type cd .

Best Regards


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Posted by:

Bill

Richard: Did Hank Snow write a tune called "Squid Jiggin' Time" or are you referring to "Squid Jiggin' Ground" by Arthur Scammell? Hank Snow did write "I'm Movin' On", which was part of the Hawks' repertoire when with Hawkins in '63. For some weeks, Matt Lucas - who had a North American hit with it at the time - appeared on Yonge Street as Hawkins' second drummer and guest singer of that and a couple more numbers. When it was time for Lucas to head off on his own again, Hawkins helped him put together his own group - Kelly Jay on piano, Ernie Cavello (sp?) on guitar and Sandy Konikoff on drums. I suspect that all of this activity might be origin of the story about Hawkins having hired Konikoff as second drummer, or as the only drummer when Levon moved to rhythm guitar. Sandy told me he has no recollection of that ever having happened, though he does have detailed memories of playing with Matt Lucas. (Both Konikoff and Cavello played in Grinder's Switch with Garland Jeffries and Stan Szelest, and so on John Cale's "Vintage Violence" LP according to an internet site I found.)


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Peter V: Not gutsy enough? Huh? A wanna be movie star? Where is this all coming from? As far as I am concerned, Garth, Robbie, and Levon, are playing the type of music that they enjoy playing. And, if I might add, all three are doing a wonderful job at it!

The music they brought to us, going back with the Hawk days into TLW, and then onto the post LW, was a musical gift they all shared with us fans. I will go on appreciating every one of these gifted Band members, as I hope our future children will do.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Peter Stampfel and the Rounders

BUMBLES: Thanks for remembering my interest in the Holy Modal Rounders (my favorite band - you-know-who is my second fave). Peter Stampfel would be the first to admit that "The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders" is not their finest album by a longshot, but, along with having considerable hysterical/historical value, the re-issue does include an hilarious new essay by Peter recalling the recording of the album.

Some exciting news for Peter Stampfel (ex-Fugs, ex-HM Rounders) fans. Frazier Mohawk ("Moray Eels", "Too Much Fun" producer) has recently approached Peter about recording an "alt.gospel" album. Peter is trying to put this together with the Muscular Christians *and* Luke Faust (ex-Insect Trust) and John Parrott, and additionally, hopes to interest Mohawk in a second album of non- gospel material with the same players. If everything goes smoothly the whole bunch of them should be in Canada recording this fall.

Also, Rounder (Records) is _finally_ releasing the 3rd Peter Stampfel and the Bottle Caps CD, to be called "The Jig is Up" and featuring the cool Hank Snow tune "Squid Jiggin' Time". If you'd like to order available CD's directly from Peter (including his outstanding and impossibly hard to find solo CD, "You Must Remember This"), he'd be happy to autograph them for you. E-mail me for his address at rich.patterson@excite.com


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Talk about what?

Like Christopher Jones? Though I'm glad you're feeling better.


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Posted by:

SAAB

Location: Sweden

Subject: Whiners & Crybabies

Levon drives a SAAB because he logs tens of thousands of miles driving from gig to gig. It's less expensive than a tour bus.

BWNWIT,,, are you intelligent enough to discuss anything other than the person who intimidates you more than anyone else in the whole wide world ??? Obviously; you are in need of Psychological assistance to deal with your ego problems. Do us all a favor and save your mindless rants for the shrink.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DelaWhereElse?
Web: My link

Subject: Blues Opportunity This Weekend

Just a heads up regarding the under-publicized Wilmington Brews & Blues fest this weekend in my neck o' the woods.

Sat: Steve Guyver, Eddie Shaw & Wolf Gang, Billy Boy Arnold, Tinsley Ellis & Buddy Guy.

Sun: Roger Girke & Funky Twisters (good local band), Jimmy Thackery & The Drivers, The Nighthawks with HUBERT SUMLIN, Long Tall Marcia Ball, & Luther "Guitar" Johnson.

If you forego the ten-buck beer tasting deal, tickets are pretty reasonable. Check link, above.

Other good live sets seen recently - Phil Roy (wrote "Hope In A Hopeless World", and others), and a nice set by folkies Anne Hills & Michael Smith last night on the terrace of the Longwood Gardens conservatory. Michael is the author of several great songs including "The Dutchman", "Spoon River", and others. Interestingly both Smith and accordianist John Whelan, who my wife also saw last week, made reference to having written songs that are now treated as 'traditional Irish songs' in Ireland, and hence have all but stopped getting royalties for them.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: the band reunited!!!

this chatter of the band getting back together is utterly depressing. without the physical presences of rick and richard and the voice of levon the very idea is beyond comprehension and imagination, and an absolute non starter.knock this discusion on the head now, and please talk about something else.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Niagara

Must be 8 or 10 years since I saw Niagara Falls, but I think we all still have foot fungus from the Maid of the Mist. There was a great rundown museum on the Canadian side and they found out recently that the Egyptian mummy there was some really evil character- looked it too. Far too shy and retiring to try the heart-shaped beds and mirrored ceilings but stayed sedately down the road in Niagara-on-the-Lake (good advice generally). But a neutral’s view - the Canadian side is exceptionally touristy, but feels safer and better-policed than the US side. On the US side we found more panhandlers than anywhere except San Francisco, and they were aggressive and followed you around, the police ignored them, and it was spooky being followed right into car parks.

Compatability- of the three surviving original members, I could see Garth and Robbie working compatabily on each other’s stuff. Both have an ear for interesting sounds and layers and unusual patterns. Both of them did the post-work on NLSC and TLW. While Levon could play it for either, I don’t think he’d be interested. Not gutsy enough for him. I suspect in turn they’d find his rootsy R&B style a bit dull, because both of them are seekers of the new. It was the combination of the differences that made the Band so good. But when you get to a certain age, you think, f**k it, I’ll play what I enjoy now, not play on HIS stuff. Which all three are doing. And I hope enjoying.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: Langford/Mekons + HM Rounders

There are even more Band connections, at least as far as cover versions. The Mekons did “It Makes No Difference” on their “F.U.N. ‘90” release, and Kelly Hogan’s solo debut, produced by Jon Langford, includes a cover of “Whispering Pines.” Best of all is the ghostly, barely audible (and unlisted) fragment of “WP” that closes side one of the Mekons’ classic “The Edge of the World.”

I know that at least Richard from St. Catherines is a huge Holy Modal Rounders/Peter Stampfel fan so I wanted to mention that after some delay the British label Water has reissued “The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders” on disc and vinyl. This is the 1968 release featuring Rounders Stampfel & Weber with an electric band that included playwright/poet/actor/Rolling Thunder diarist Sam Shepard on drums and featured “The Bird Song” (Band Link: appeared on the “Easy Rider” soundtrack), “My Mind Capsized,” “Half a Mind,” and “The STP Song” among other bits of psychedlicized weird Americana.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Levon

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE THE BAND and always will but I am enjoying seeing the new groups more (grant it I am only 29 so I never saw the original Band) but The Jim Weider Band and the Barnburners play smaller clubs and when you go and see them at the clubs they play, its like your right in the middle of the action of it all... everytime you go to one of their shows you wonder "who will be jamming with them tonight??"... Bobby Keys, David Maxwell, Jimmy Vivino, Albert Lee, Little Sammy Davis, Garth Hudson... and if you have ever had the pleasure of seeing both the Barnburners and JWB on the same bill like in Sackets Harbor it is unbeleivable!!

enough talk about the Band getting back together... go see the Barnburners or the JWBs they are putting on a hell of show... the people that go and see them love their Band memories and always will.. but its 2002 and a new day has arrived for both Levon and the JWBs..

take Levon, Jim, Randy out of the picture for a minute and you still have a great great Band with the rest of the fellas... Chris O Leary is unbelevable on the Harp!!! Musslewhite, Cotton, Butterfeild level!!


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Band reunited?

Some very curious comments of late. Someone posted that Robbie refusing to play with Garth and Levon is denying Band fans of great new music. First off, Robbie has played with both Garth and Rick in the last decade, Levon is the one who has refused to play with Robbie. But that really isnt the issue, how are denied more great music by them not playing as a trio? Did you buy American Masters? Did you buy Sea of the North? Have you seen the Barnburners? They are recording and producing plenty of great music on their own. Frankly there isnt one good reason to see Garth, Levon and Robbie perform together other than to feel good about Levon and Robbie burying the hatchet as it were. I really dont see the point and honestly can see it turning into a sad sort of nostalgia act which I'd hate. As for the work they do solo Robbie's current stuff probably wouldnt lend itself to well to garth's "noodlings" as he calls them. Of course Im sure RR would go away from the Native American stuff with the boys. And while LEvon is one heck of a drummer I cant see his drumming really sending either Garth or Robbie's songs to another level. And Garth's songs, at least Sea to the North, arent really standard RnR songs. The single exception is Garth would add some interesting flare to the Barnburners. Let it go people. The Band proper, with all 5 members, existed for 16 years. It has been 26 years since they have played together-I think it shows a serious level of disrespect for them as arists to try and force them back into an era that they have long left. Levon, Garth and Robbie all are producing wonderful music on their own right and should be allowed to do so in the future without, well without. However, I did like someone's idea about the Barnburners, RR, Garth, The Cromatix, Jim Weider, and Prof Louie all touring together. Much like a The Other Ones tour it would be quiet a nice evening. Unfortunately it wouldnt work financially. There fan base is pretty much the same people and they arent big enough draws to all be able to cover their costs unless the got some serious corp sponsorship. One last thought, someone said if Garth, Levon and Robbie played totgether again they should call themselve something other than The Band. I more or less agree, if it was a one or two night thing it would be fine to use the name, but as on ongoing unit they really shouldnt. I was always impressed with what the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane did later on when 3 memebers wanted to record together. I have both of the Hillman, McGuinn and Clark Albums, and although I never bought the KBC album (Kantner, Balin and Cassidy) I thought it was a nice idea to just say "Its us, it isnt the Byrds or Airplane, but we still wanted to play together." Okay, end of post.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Ontario

Subject: Jon Langford

PAT BRENNAN: Is that Jon Langford from the Mekons? Congrats, I'm a huge fan. Band Connection? - There is a typically drunken, sloppy, Mekon's-style live cover of the "Shape I'm In" on their fascinating, tour digest, "New York" CD. Just recently picked up the re-issue of "The Mekons Rock n Roll" and it’s great, but "Fear and Whiskey" is still my fave. Be sure and tell us how it goes. That gig should be good for a story or two : )


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Niagara Falls/Sheryl Crow

We went to the Falls on our way home from the Catskills last summer--it was the first time I had ever seen them and the boys were amazed. They were so excited just to be in a foreign country--their first--so they begged for $10 pens that said Canada on them and we relented. It is a big tourist trap, and before you could say Niagara Falls my husband had signed us up for an exhausting 5 hour tour of the place. I did not like the Falls lit up at night--I am against lighting anything up unnecessarily but it also seemed a little Vegas-y. But in the daytime they are a beautiful sight and powerful sound.

After all this talk of Vegas and gambling in music I had to play Sheryl Crow's Tuesday Night Music Club with the excellent Leaving Las Vegas on it yesterday. And I guess the Band connection would be her Favorite Mistake.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: thanks rosalind

thanks rosalind. im much improved and hoping to return to work in sept. at the moment im just relaxing and indulging in my 2 fav. pastimes. music and movies. saw agreat one a few days ago. ryan's daughter. not just a superb film, but notable for the fact that one of its stars christopher jones vanished and became a recluse after it came out. the idea of artists shining briefly and then dissapearing through their own choice has long intrigued me.i understand a documentary about christopher jones came out in the us. a couple of years ago. tarantino (who else) was involved in it. has anyone seen it? apparently tarantino tried to coax christopher out of seclusion to star in pulp fiction. that would have been great.i love the way tarantino makes stars again out of long forgotton cult actors. im ramblin now. yime to go. love richie.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Band reunited

The voice of the Band died with first Richard then Rick and finnally with Levon's throat cancer, the Band as we know it is forever silient..I guess as a fan I would hope that Levon and Robbie somehow find a way to bury the hatchet before it's to late..


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: thanks rosalind

thanks rosalind. im much improved and hoping to return to work in sept. at the moment im just relaxing and indulging in my 2 fav. pastimes. music and movies. saw agreat one a few days ago. ryan's daughter. not just a superb film, but notable for the fact that one of its stars christopher jones vanished and became a recluse after it came out. the idea of artists shining briefly and then dissapearing through their own choice has long intrigued me.i understand a documentary about christopher jones came out in the us. a couple of years ago. tarantino (who else) was involved in it. has anyone seen it? apparently tarantino tried to coax christopher out of seclusion to star in pulp fiction. that would have been great.i love the way tarantino makes stars again of long forgotton cult actors. im ramblin now. yime to go. love richie.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Oops can't Count!

Sorry, Rick and Garth did 4 (Four) songs. I've always had trouble counting past three!!


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: ETown Link Re: Rick & Garth

I downloaded that E Town link and it is really good (although they only play 3 songs BUT I guess 3 is better than none. A little less Pete Seeger, a lot more Rick and Garth would have been better!) You can download & make into mp3s a lot of the concerts they have posted. Good stuff too: Bruces (Hornsby & Cockburn) Lyle Lovett, Barenaked Ladies and a cast of thousands. Well OK not thaousands but you get the picture.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: 1990's Band

Well, well, well. It's right here on the site, folks. From Rick and Levon's account, Storyville was supposed to be a Band album, but Rick and Levon (Do they drive SAAB's? Are they Control freaks? And Levon was a movie star...) turned the opportnity down. Of course, Garth did show up and played great, and even Rick did a vocal turn. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Backing up Jon Langford in an opening slot for Leon Russell on Saturday at Fitzgeralds in beautiful Berwyn IL. Band connections???


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Posted by:

Fred

Bayou Sam: as a person well acquainted with the Falls, I agree with you about your comments on the Canadian side...it IS a tourist trap, but the further "inland" you go the less touristy it becomes (and cheaper too). You have to remeber that Niagara Falls, Ontario used to be the Honeymoon Capital. As befits the great nation of Canada the Canadian side is much prettier than the American side but that's because it is a aprk. However Niagara Falls NY does have some of the best eats around (I had a steak there once--I can't remeber the name of the little place---so big, so delicious, so cheap!!; there are also a number of great places that serve some of the finest chicken wings --and other artery clogging food-- around.) But for those of us from the Canadian side it is quite an eye opener when we cross the bridge and drive through Niagara Falls NY

Re: Band 2002. No. If the remaining 3 got together to record it would have to be all new material (and what a mix that would be) and they CAN'T use the monnicker The Band..have to think of a new name...and the CD should have guest appearances (doesn't matter who or whom) kind of like TLW, but only new material (written by Robertson,Helm &Hudson). They wouldn't have to tour..could do "live" concerts via the internet...perhaps using THIS website!!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

That Band exhibit has been at, and unchanged, the R&R Hall of Fame since the day it opened. Supposedly, the exhibits were going to change, but basically the museum today is more or less exactly the same as the museum six years ago. But I'm quite sure they'd love to display any items loaned to them, the responsibility of the items' owners. I sincerely doubt that Robbie Robertson donated personal and sentimental items with the provision that nothing by any other members of The Band be displayed, although I'm sure there are those who would disagree. We should all be grateful that for a small (?) fee, we can see the Last Waltz Strat up and close, courtesy of Robbie's generousness and consideration to Band fans.

A 2002 dream lineup I'd like to see would be Robbie, Garth and Levon playing new music as a trio. They could, and would be forced to, do something different and experimental. Think about Robbie's compositional abilities, and some of his new, atmospheric music, combined with Garth's improvisational and textural genius, played over a generic blues shuffle beat. With Garth Hudson, who'd need a bass player? It would be great. I'm sure that two out of the three would probably be willing to go for it, but that that egotistical, vain control freak, Saab-driving wanna be movie star would refuse to join his old brothers, and deny his fans the opportunity to hear some great new music.


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Posted by:

Richard

Subject: Niagara Falls

B SAM: You were curious why all the commercial glitz and tourist traps are on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls. It's because the Canadian side has the cool view.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Me & the Mrs,our youngest, Jake, and our dog, whose name happens to be Levon, drove one and a half hour to the tiny village of Canojohorie NY tonite. Saw Prpfessor Louie & the Crowmatix play to a nice smalltown croud in the village sqare. They all autographed a band picture for Jake, and dedicated Scarlet Begonias to him. Nice time, they suprised me by playing Atlantic City and Long Black Veil, some guy wearing a Hot Tuna shirt danced nonstop, dont know how he did it, it was sweltering out there. And I finally bought Garth's album. Someone, was it Butch, mentioned The Band's placein the R&R Hall of Fame. I was there just a few weeks ago, their little display is actually one of the first things you see. there are 7 or 8 items, I think a mandolin donated by Levon, the rest of the display is dominated by items from RR-handwritten lyrics,an antiquated tape recorder, his eyeglasses, even his skullcap, . Would be nice to see some of Garth's equipment, and some stuff representing Richard and Rick as well, maybe even some stuff from the later versions of The Band. The Last Waltz is well represnted in the R&R film section. Hendrix has approx half a floor, mostly stuff donated by his family, and Lennon has the entire top floor! A lot of cool stuff,but The Band deserves at least a little more space, and I dont mean more Robbie items.


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Posted by:

Roxie

Location: Diloxi

Excellent idea! The Band could reinvent itself and this time around it could have only one singer. Robbie could sing his own songs with a sexy, airy, mysterious voice. The Band of the future!


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Posted by:

Moxie

Location: Biloxi

Subject: The Band 2002

How about Robbie touring with Garth and Levon as The Band? That's a full three-fifths of the original group and since Robbie wrote all the classic Band tunes why shouldn't he sing them for us?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Minneapolis right now

Subject: The Band 2002

Why are we even talking about a 2002 version of The Band? It's neither possible nor going to happen. Leave them their legacy and dignity. Still waiting for an answer as to what bootleg I have concerning Danko, Manuel, and Hudson + Paul Butterfield performing The Shape I'm In plus Blaze of Glory.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: question for Butch

Butch = my sister tells me that a friend of hers was playing in a little bar here on Long Island sometime recently and Levon showed up. I think he played some, and I think he's supossed to know the guy. Sorry - I don't have the guys name, but I'll find out. Any chance that Levon's been on the Island?

I just got back from a weeklong trip that included a trip to the Canadian side of Niagra falls. Advice to people visiting Niagra Falls,Ontario - the place sucks your wallet dry. Go further into Canada after you see the falls..... Now, don't all you Canadians beat me up - I love the place - just watch that particular tourist trap..... The funny thing is that on the American side it's not the same glitzy, flashing lights, type of place. I thought we Americans were the ones that would do that.


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Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: "somewhere in the middle of Montana"
Web: My link

Subject: SPAMMERS

Very intriguing freeware that REALLY works. Uses Napster-like software that allows a group to essentially "vote" on what is spam and is subsequentely "dumped" before it hits your inbox. MS Outlook only. Give it a try.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I've wondered recently if Levon hasn't sometime with a grin thought proudly that maybe Jim and Randy do a better "Life Is A Carnival" today... than he did back in the 70's?... I know, Band blasphemy... so take away my Band CDs... and rolling stone me to death... It seems to me that putting the surviving Band members back together in whole or part and calling them the Band... would be more about history in a "time" sense of things... in which case how can they compete?... whereas what the guys are doing today individually is history making... in more of a "place" sense... more inclusive... for community... and great listening... but then again hasn't that what it's been about all along... the music... OK, I drank an Elephant beer...

I think Levon should do... what Tiger did for us in MN... after making history by winning two majors... he sets the stage for history making in MN... thereby jacking up market prices for tickets... and attracting worldwide interest... then he loses number 3... and the market crashes... and all the local fans can better negotiate with scalpers... and see him win number 4... In summary, I say announce Band gigs... then inform that it's just some Band-like music... simple Elephant beer logic... Anybody here? I wish the friggin' Met Life blimp would go away...


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

So it is said, so it must be obeyed. Certainly when one member of an organization no longer wishes to continue, the remaining members should not defile that wish by continuing in that one's absence.

I have to say that I'm really liking the song "Empty Sky" from Springsteen's new album. The best stuff he's done in the last decade has been the slow, atmospheric numbers with a kind of looped beat - Streets of Philadelphia, Secret Garden, 41 Shots, and now Empty Sky. I didn't like the album a whole lot at first, but it's grown on me. Band connection - BWNWITenn likes The Band, BWNWITenn likes Bruce Springsteen.

24 hours till the greatest blues and roots-oriented band that's playing anywhere this day and age - Los Lobos, of course.


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Posted by:

Dexy

Butch -- Very consise and understandable post about Mr. Helm's feelings. I'd still, though, enjoy reading about (and even more witnessing) a tour that would include Levon's band, Garth & the Crowmatix and the JWB all together. Some good jamming at the end. You know.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: No voices …

Agreeing here with Butch, NO BAND VOICES. Going on with “The Imaginary Band” the basic is that they’d have only a “legitimate” repetoire of seven numbers- To Kingdom Come, Out of The Blue, The Genetic Method, The Third Man Theme, Chest Fever (Randy has earned the right to call it his after so many years), Deep Feeling and Many Rivers To Cross (assuming my two of my favourite guitar players were both there). And Prof Louie does a great Don’t Wait. Otherwise, it’d be all tribute band stuff. The voices are stilled.

I wa reading about the Densmore v Manzarek feud today (not that I could give a damn) and while The Doors without the lead vocalist would be an improvement, you couldn’t do it without at least one of The Band’s three. So it will indeed never happen


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: The Band... Members

I feel lucky to have seen Levon, Rick, Garth, and Jim Weider all play solo. I'm hoping to see The Crowmatix in the near future too.

The Band is gone but all the various solo projects are great and very accessible. Now that I'm a little older I'd rather go to The Turning Point to see Levon or Jim as apposed to the Garden or Giants Stadium for a mega concert. As a Band fan I'd say right now is a fine chapter musically for all the remaining members

Go out and support em', It will be worth your while!

Peace


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Posted by:

butch

Location: the road to annapolis md,,,

Subject: The Band & Levon

ok, Lets put part of this to bed,,,

as far as Levon is concerned,, he has a band,, The BARNBURNERS,,,,,,,

he gave the best years of his life to The Band & is very proud of what they did,,, BUT THEY DID IT ALREADY !!!!!!!

,,,& with NO BAND VOICES,,, he doesnt feel like they can equal or improve on their "legacy",,,

he enjoys playing with Rando & jimmy weider,,, & loves to help folks like the Last Hombres learn how to build a band,,,,

his projects with Hubert Sumlin & Louisiana Red , Ronnie Earl , Jimmy Vivino are very satisfying as he goes back into his roots of the Delta & Chicago BLUES !!!!!!!!!

THAT is what Levon enjoys,,, so when ya make your wish lists,,,, ya'll gotta leave him off,,,

The Band is in the Hall of Fame & he would just as soon, let it stand,,,

but everyone can do & think whatever they want,,,of course,,,,,


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: "The Band" 2002 /3

I hear what Butch says and it's been obviously true to all in clear -headed moments since 1999 (um, or 1997).

However, for those making purely hypothetical lists of those who could or should be there, one outstanding name is missing. I mean if you're in the realms of pure fantasy (we have a fantasy football league in UK newspapers where you put together an imaginary team of famous footballers) , and you ARE in the realms of pure fantasy, then the guy who actually wrote and often produced the songs would be the ultimate imaginary member. Pretty fair guitar player. And listen to the layers on Fallen Angel and Crazy River for vocal perception and indeed ability.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: Mono Lake

Subject: stop on by

IIkka,,,,I'll leave the light on.

Harry and Mim,,,,,After listening to Muddy Waters I have to turn off the stereo.It's always pointless and impossible to put anything else on.So, if you're going to be playin' tunes on the box, save Muddy for last.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Stones & ticket prices

Lil: I remember going to see the Stones at Auburn University in Alabama back in 1969. We got tickets for $8 each, which we ordered by mail from the University Intrafraternity Council! The opening acts were Terry Reid & Chuck Berry. We had nosebleed seats but the Stones' security guys let us stand at the lip of the stage to watch the concert. That was quite an experience for a group of young & crazy rock 'n roll fans.

I remember going to see The Band here in Atlanta the following year and the tickets were similiarly priced. I can't recall the exact amount but there's a photo of a concert promo poster for that same concert in the liner notes for the "Stage Fright" reissue.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: weather/inflated ticket prices

Jenny: Thanks for the positive weather forecast. Please send any spare rain and cool air this way. We've topped off at 98 here today in upstate NY and I am not a happy camper.

Can you believe this? I just read in the NY Daily News that tickets to the Rolling Stones September show at Madison Square Garden in NYC are going for...over $5000!!! Some website is selling them (original price of these tickets was $354.50). I feel so sorry for kids who can't get to hear live music because of ticket prices. I remember seeing the Stones in Philly back in 80 or 81 for $50 a ticket. I saw Elton John, and The Eagles both at Madison Square Garden for about $15. Times have certainly changed.

Have a good day everyone. Stay cool!


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Posted by:

Bones

Of the numerous articles about the life of Robbie Robertson, I think that the Musician Magazine article in 1992 after the Storyville release was the best. I believe it was called "Youngblood". It's interesting now because Robbie during that article gave the impression that he was at the end of something (whether it be southern music or popular music). He felt that he had kind of gotten it out of his system for a while. Now after ten years, we see that he was right. He has made two Native American records since then(and now a compilation of those two records). I think we are at another crosswords now, and it will be interesting to see where he goes from here.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Gambling/Weather improvements/O Brother

Lil: I just remembered a guy at school who used to say "You pays your money and you takes your chances." It really should be a country song. Maybe it is. And we are getting a cold front tonight with some RAIN so it is probably headed your way. I was a little bent out of shape yesterday when the weather announcer said we'd "unfortunately be plagued with rain" tonight and tomorrow. Let me tell you the farmers I work for are looking forward to the plague, as are all my sorry looking plants. SW Ohio could be the Sahara desert and they'd talk about rain like it was a tragedy.

Did anyone watch the show with all the performers from the O Brother soundtrack either live or on PBS? Enjoyed the PBS the other night. Emmylou sang beautifully as did Allison Krauss and Gillian Welch (Welsh?.) I LOVED that movie. Hilarious and beautiful.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

I was thinking Garth, Levon, Jimmy, Randy, Prof. Louie and Miss Marie, Mike Dunn and the Tom Malone horns could put on a great show and call it The Band. Only problem is, what about all the other Crowmatix and Barnburners and Gurus.


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bucks County, PA USA Earth

Subject: Bluesmen

Friends:

If anyone has ever heard music as strong, pure, and heartfelt as the music of Chester Arthur Burnett (aka Howlin' Wolf) and/or the music of McKinley Morganfield (aka Muddy Waters), PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.

Their musical contributions are PARAMOUNT in 20th Century Music - worldwide. The only other artists able to evoke such emotional responses are Hank Williams & Billie Holiday. We can literally think of NO OTHERS.

Muddy & the Wolf made music that is so real that at some times, in a certain frame of mind, it is IMPOSSIBLE TO LISTEN TO. Too strong, too pure, too heartfelt for the average human being to stand. At MANY MORE TIMES though, luckily, their music is EXTREMELY MOVING and UPLIFTING, as much as any great gospel or classical composition.

We know we're "going off on a rant" here, but this is something we feel very deeply in our souls. Desert island discs - Muddy Waters & Howlin' Wolf MUST BE on the playlists. Much of everything else sounds pedestrian, childish, weak and "watery" beside them, paling in comparison... Imagine our delight when Mr. Helm emerges with The BarnBurners - playing music inspired by these two great men (among others). Try to follow along rhythmically with Muddy Waters' "unique" sense of time and tell us that blues music is "simple." Try to duplicate the incomparable Howlin' Wolfs' vocals & harp and tell us that the blues is "boring."

We will listen to both musicians all our lives and love every minute of it.

Mim & Har


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Posted by:

Mad Caper

Hi I just put a rare band promo item on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=899586356 thanks


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Posted by:

butch

Location: reality

Subject: the band

biffalo bull

in answer to your question,,

IT AINT NEVER GONNA HAPPEN !!


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland
Web: My link

Subject: Jim Weider

See the link above to the NY Times review of the Rockabilly bash, including Jim Weider.

Any DC location folks heading to the Ramshead on Wed?


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Following up on Biffalo Bull's post, I've been told that Richard Bell has signed on as pianist with Danny Brooks and the Rockin' Revelators. This is the most exciting band playing around Toronto - and their show at the Port Credit Blues Fest last September was easily the most exciting show I've seen this millenium. Richard's arrival means that Michael Fonfara (ex Lou Reed and Rhinoceros) moves over to organ - adding up to a keyboard duo of monumental talent. Newish guitarist is Mitch Lewis, perhaps best known around here as Scott Cushnie's right-hand man in the Canadian Aces and the Rockin' Deltoids. As a huge gospel show (4 singers, 3 horns, two keyboards, guitar, bass and drums) they don't get to work that often - so I'd encourage everyone within range to stumble down to Port Credit on the afternoon of September 8 for this year's festival - see www.southsideshuffle.com for more info.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Wolf and Muddy

Following up my earlier post -- In addition to working with Muddy, Levon has also played with Hubert Sumlin, the Wolf's longtime guitarist. Robbie Robertson has cited the influence of Mr. Sumlin, as well as Willie Johnson, an earlier member of Wolf's band, on his evolution as a guitarist. My spelling seems to be off this morning -- I meant to say that Sonny Boy II was a precursor, stylewise, to the Wolf, in that their version of the blues had a rawer edge to it that Muddy's. Today we can hear a mixture of both those styles, and many others, in the great playing of Levon & his blues band.


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Posted by:

BIFFALO BULL

RICHARD BELL AND COLIN LINDEN, PLAYED THE FESTIVAL OF FRIENDS EVENT IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, CANADA, SATURDAY NIGHT. JUST THE TWO OF THEM PLAYED AND ONCE I GOT OVER THE LACK OF A FULL COMPLIMENT OF MUSICIANS, REALISED THAT THIS WAS NOT TOO BAD. THEY PAID TRIBUTE TO RICK DANKO BY PLAYING REMEDY. MAKES ME REALISE THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH OF THE FORMER BAND MEMBERS AROUND PLYING THIER CRAFT THAT THEY COULD COME OUT WITH SOME MORE GREAT MUSIC UNDER THE BAND BANNER. I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE ...


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Posted by:

Bill

There's an interesting Robbie timeline - and nifty photos - at angelfire.com/rock3/robbie/PIC/rrtimeline.html. I came across it searching for Klagermans. (I'm not sure how much of the facts there are facts; certainly some aren't.) Anyway, this whole gangster business sounds suspect, especially when accompanied by killings and big diamond heists. Surely there'd be a bit more info in circulation regarding such events in the '40s or early '50s. As the Klagerman boys (Robbie's father and uncle Nathan) were sons of a scholar/sheeny (by definition a gentle man of learning and one of some ambition), the old man must have been VERY disappointed in his offspring. Also, doesn't it seem a tad mythic that Robbie's uncle went to jail for stealing load jewels from someone just like his stepfather the jeweller (who he seems to have disliked)?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: X vs. Y = Chess to the tenth power

Another great musical juxtaposition is Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf. These two great bluesmen took the blues from the delta and energized it through their own unique styles. The competition between the two added extra electricity to the mix. It's interesting that The Band crossed paths with Sonny Boy II, a precusor to the Wolf, and Muddy. Eric Clapton, of course, learned a lot from both the Wolf and Muddy, as well as from the juxtaposed Kings -- B.B., Albert & Freddie.


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Posted by:

Dennis

Location: HOT, West Saugerties, NY
Web: My link

Subject: RICK'S LAST FM BROADCAST SHOW

Last evening, my spouse 'n I found a licensed, archived copy of Rick's last FM broadcast. It was on NPR's E-Town and was broadcast on November 17, 1999. The link to the show is above.

The show was recorded in front of a full house at Kingston, NY's UPAC Theatre. Many of you were in attendance. If my memory serves me well, the show was recorded about a month earlier.

Garth performs with Rick and does a solo version of The Sea To The North. Opening the show was Natalie Merchant, and Pete Seeger tells an interesting story about the founding days the Hudson River sloop Clearwater.

You need to download the show to listen, and to play the show you need a WINAMP player. Simply go to www.winamp.com and download their latest version. It takes up almost no space on your computer, it's the most up-to-date technology on the internet, and the best thing is that it's absolutely FREE!

Any questions or problems, please feel free to e-mail me at the address I posted last Friday.

BTW, have a Kleenex close. Enjoy, and thank-you Rick.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The Hawk

Here's wishing The Hawk a return to good health........


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: gambling

It seems that RR used gambing references alot when writing songs over the years, as do so many other songwriters. Makes me wonder if gambling is perhaps a metaphor for life. You take chances everyday, even when the odds are against you...and in the end, I guess you do play the hand that's dealt you. Weird.

Neil Diamond: I agree that love has _alot_ to do with gambling. You gamble on someone's honesty and you trust them... and sometimes you lose.. big time. It even happens in friendship. It's sad when you think about it.

Geez... don't want to depress myself here. Y'all have a good day..and if anyone has any cool breezes blowing.. please send some my way. 95 and holding here. Arrghh.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: The Hawk and Rumours About Robbie's Biological Dad

Another quote from Hoskyns book: "Scott Cushnie....managed to persuade Ronnie that Robbie was a proficient bass player, and urged him to bring the kid down to Fayetteville to fill Lefty's shoes. The Hawk wasn't convinced about Robbie's musicianship, but he was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. He knew Dolly Robertson, who sometimes came down to the Le Coq d'Or, and felt a semi-paternal responsibility for her son. Having heard the RUMOURS about Robbie's late father, he figured the boy might be headed the same way if he wasn't pointed in another direction. Nor was he forgetting Robbie's potential as a songwriter."

It is interesting to note that when I checked the article on Robbie in Aboriginal Voices his Dad is not mentioned at all....In any case.....didn't Dylan and others before and after him initiate fabricated stories to create a myth?....I guess only Dolly knows the real story anyway.......

Another OLD MAN in Robbie's stories could also be his paternal great-grandfather as well who came from Palestine and was apparently a scholar.....As I have been told over the years.....There's your truth.....My truth......and THE REAL TRUTH.....


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: various

Don Juan advised Carlos to "erase all personal history" which is like the Buddhist concept of rebirth within this lifetime by reinventing yourself. Or maybe at a mundane level storytellers are good at embroidering their own biographies. Interesting comments on the "old man" - I still think it was Hawkins, because the song (even if written earlier asRobbie has claimed) has been adjusted to apply to Richard Manuel (all the tears ; all the rage …). To the teenage musicians, Hawkins in his late 20s seemed like the wise old man. And let our very best thoughts be with Ronnie today.

Long time readers know I'm a Lindanista rather than a Richardsonian when it comes to the Thompsons. That said they are reunited on 'Dear Mary' the wonderful track 1 of "Fashionably Late" by Linda, which was fashionably even later in the UK than the USA. James Taylor's October Road is settling in well too (Steve Gadd on drums throughout).


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Roz hun..Hmmmmmm, What does gambling have to do with love,

#1 When she tells ya your the only one what are the odds shes telling ya the truth??

#2 Whats the succes rate of marriages in this country? Ive heard a 65% to 75% divorce rate, seems to me Roz that I got a better shance playing black jack in Vegas, thanks Roz you've opened my eyes, maybe I will hit Vegas after all...

Its kind of interesting hearing the different versions of how RR's Dad died, reminds me of how hard it is to get a straight answer out of an older relative in regards to family history, especially when it is something that might not shine a positive light on the family as a whole, I don't know if that's the case here but it make's ya wonder where all the versions come from...


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Geez...I didn't know all that stuff! Copied down like it personally written too. Impressive! I just know the old stories Robbie told, I hadn't ever heard the new ones. These one's are better!


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Sunday at Lincoln Center Part 2

Jim, Randy, and Lee Rocker came back on under the glare of stage lights at around 9 p.m. backing the legendary Billy Lee Riley ("Flying Saucer Rock and Roll" and "Red Hot") and then played a scorching set with Rocky and Billy Burnette. The show ended with every artist who appeared that day coming on stage and joining in the all-stops-pulled-out finale - "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On." Most of the large late evening crowd was on their feet when the show ended at around 10:30.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Van and Band-Like Grooves / Robbie and the Old Man / Rumours of Robbie's Biological Dad?

"Van counts one, two, three, four and we're back in safer territory, a Band-like good time groove to AND IT STONED ME - the Robbie Robertson style lead break, mathematically perfect, is set against chorded piano, just like the Woodstock backwoodsmen - which segues into THESE DREAMS OF YOU, with wild saxophone."

"One of the great characters on the reservation was Robbie's great-grandfather, a venerable gent with a shock of white hair and a cane which he employed to hook his countless great-grandchildren to his side. The OLD MAN was the first of many storytellers in Robbie's life."

"Robbie never knew his father, who gambled for a living and ran with a fast crowd of mobsters: by the time he was old enough to ask Dolly questions, the man had been gunned down and killed in a shoot-out. The boy was shielded from the truth about him for some years, just as he was shielded from the fact that his uncle Nadie was doing a long stretch inside for one of the biggest diamond heists in Canadian history......Shortly after Klagerman's death, Dolly married the rather more respectable jeweller from whom Robbie takes his present surname."


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Posted by:

BANDFAN

Web: My link

Subject: THE "OLD MAN"

I ALWAYS PICTURED THE OLD MAN AS BEING AN OLD INDIAN. IF I DID THIS RIGHT AND THERE IS A WEB LINK, GO VISIT WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE BACK IN MY DEAR DEPARTED TEXAS. GOOD SOLID INTELLIGENT ROCK-N-ROLL. KJB


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Posted by:

Bill

Rosalind: I don't see any of that stuff in the Michael Goldberg interview (in Jan's Library section) if that's what you're referring to.


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bucks County, PA USA Earth

Subject: Casino Concerts

Friends/Fans:

The Trump Taj Mahal Casino & Hotel in Atlantic City, NJ has been the site of more than a few EXCELLENT music concerts.

One in particular that will always stand out in our memories is a Bob Dylan show performed in the months following the release of "Time Out of Mind."

After having experienced more than a few "disappointing" BD shows, this particular one in Atlantic City was a standout performance. Mr. Dylans' singing was on the mark, his backing band superb, and the energy level HIGH. Coming shortly after the release of "Time (etc.)", (a recording that brings back memories of the "mid-60s Dylan"), this show left no attendees sitting, "gave no quarter", and satisfied all.

Another memorable "casino show" (at the same venue) was Jeff Beck/Santana. Excellent "front men" and bands, but not as gripping as the Dylan show. A few attendees were sighted slipping out to "give some money" to Donald Trump during the show... This WAS NOT THE CASE during the aforementioned Bob Dylan concert.

We know it does strike some as odd that you could see your favorite "1960s" legends at a casino, but we say take your music where you can find it, and enjoy it. For instance, Dr. John (aka Mac Rebbenack) will be playing at a small local bar/music venue known as the "Conduit" in Trenton, NJ, in mid-September (part of their First Anniversary celebrations). For forty bucks apiece, Mim & I will attend an intimate show by one of the best musicians we know. (The spot already passed muster earlier this year at a Levon Helm & the BarnBurners musicale - (good to see you again Butch!)). Instead of The Keswick Theatre, we will see & hear "the good Doctor" in this small club ten minutes from home - solo, with a trio backing him up (bass, guitar, drummer), or with a horn AND rhythm section, Dr. John is too good to pass-up.

Enjoying the summer, we remain your friends in supporting GOOD MUSIC,

Mim & Harry


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Hoppin' that freight train in the hall...

Subject: Tires and Teeth

Bill__ Are you calling Robbie a liar? Don't answer that! (bad joke) Rolling Stone Magazine__ October 1987, The Second Coming issue. Robbie gave us the lowdown on his life, including the Bel Air, Bel Air stiff.. I mean stuff. He also included parts of his childhood memories, that story was a part of them.

Happy Elvis Week Everybody! I am reminded of a story Tom Waits mentioned about he and his son going to Graceland for the first time. They were standing around at one of those Elvis merchandise counters and Waits' little 5 year old son looked up at him and suggested that he and his dad should go out and dig Elvis up and make a necklace out of his teeth. Elvis did have nice teeth.....


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Posted by:

Bill

Speaking of gambling, I've never been inclined to bet heavily on the veracity of the stories I've read about Robbie Robertson's biological father - gambler / hoodlum murdered / hit by car while changing tire. Anybody know the source of those 'facts'?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: X versus Y

Dichotomies (I word I wrote many times at college without understanding it) - musical taste defined you. The interchange about Elvis fans reminded me of being sixteen. First it was Elvis v Cliff, a vital distinction. Elvis fans did, Cliff fans didn’t. Then it was The Beatles v Gerry & The Pacemakers, a switch to The Rolling Stones versus The Beatles,The Beatles versus Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan versus Donovan, Bob Dylan versus Simon & Garfunkel, Paul Simon versus Art Garfunkel, Jefferson Airplane versus Fairport Convention, Otis Redding versus Wilson Pickett, The Band versus The Byrds, Lou Reed versus David Bowie, Marvin Gaye versus Diana Ross, Howling Wolf versus John Mayall, Neil Young versus Graham Nash, Van Morrison versus Chris Rea.(The hipper-than-thou choice always comes first). Any addition


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Posted by:

JCF

Location: new york

Subject: Garth's show at the Bottom Line

It is a liitle late for this post but I ckecked out Garth's show at the Bottom line on Monday. I missed it back in June, so I made sure I went. The place was mostly empty for the first show ,and you know that one of the original members that is still living would have though he was too good to pay in front of an audience of such as size. Even though he can't probably draw too many people nowadays...

I enjoyed the show but the biggest problem was that, obviouslly, the vocalists that pefromed with Garth are nowehere as good as Levon, Rick, or Richard. Forever Young was actually pretty bad.


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Posted by:

Bones

Dana Glover is releasing her first album on Dreamworks in mid-October I believe. I just wanted to give a heads-up on this, for Robbie Robertson is the Executive Producer on the cd which is titled "Testimony".

She has a track on the platinum selling soundtrack for "Shrek", which Robbie was also involved in.

Does anyone know anything about the remastered Rick Danko release?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Nuts and stuff..

Wig__ Do you know how those Squirrel Nut Zippers got their name? Something about a drunken naked guy in a tree one morning...

Anybody know the difference between the words "Naked and "Neked"? Well, Naked means you ain't got no clothes on and Neked means you ain't got no clothes on and your up to something!

Phil__ Yes, Robbie's father was a gambler, but he got hit by a car and was killed while changing a tire on a crowded highway when Robbie was an infant. I always thought that line came from The Hawk tho. Just sounded like something he'd say.

Jenny T. Addicted to Dancing huh? You'll have a much happier life that way!

Neil__ Tell me son, what does love have to do with gambling? Don't answer that!

Speakin' of gambling, Does anyone know how the Hawk is? No news is good news I hope.

Richie__ Hope you got well over that life-threatening sickness you had a few monhs ago. I've had a couple of them myself..and they ain't nice..


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Squirrel Nut Zippers

Jon,

Thanks for the information. The more I hear of them the more I like them.

Our local cable station ran an hour long show last week and I was fascinated. Great drummer by the way.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Nice little set by Jim Weider and Randy Ciarlante yesterday at the Damrosch Bandshell near Lincoln Center! It was "Rockabilly Day" and the theme of the day seemed to be Elvis. Lots of girls and guys walking around in retro "Grease"-type outfits. Jim and Randy took the stage with Lee Rocker from the Stray Cats, who had a huge, stand-up bass. They played "There's Good Rockin' Tonight", "My Baby Left Me", and the Stray Cat's "Rock This Town", then were joined by Narvel Felts, who was quite impressive with his guitar as well, doing old rockabilly and country songs. Narvel told some great stories about the early days at Sun Records, and tore it up with Jimmy on "Great Balls of Fire". Later he stayed and spoke with every person who wanted to meet him (and there were quite a few). Not your usual Gurus show but very nice indeed. I stayed for sets by legends Wanda Jackson, Jack Scott, and The Persuasions (great vocal harmony tribute to The King), overall a very nice free show!


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Posted by:

Bill

They're Reserves, not Reservations, in Canada.

Crabgrass: Ian and Sylvia were indeed managed by Albert Grossman for years and years and years - pretty much their entire recording career. They recorded an LP for Grossman's own label (using ex-Revol Ken Kalmusky as bassist). They did one of the very first recordings of "Wheel's On Fire".


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Clarence S.

Why don't you just talk about him on the GB? At least four of us are interested, and everyone else can learn something. I remember seeing his work in Woodstock Handmade Houses, and I still own a copy of the book somewhere on my back bookshelves. I think Scrimshaw Press produced a lot of books on the hippy arts- handmade houses and fanciful clothing. Band connection - they must have seen some of this stuff.


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Posted by:

GRAHAM BARRETT

Location: ENGLAND

Subject: CROSSING THE GREAT DIVIDE (SCORPIO) WANTED

ADDRESS. 92 Southern Court,Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent,Staffs,ST4 1NE.ENGLAND. TRADE ??? MANY "RARE" ITEMS WRITE ME.


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Posted by:

GRAHAM BARRETT

Location: ENGLAND

Subject: CROSSING THE GREAT DIVIDE (SCORPIO) WANTED

ADDRESS. 92 Southern Court,Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent,Staffs,ST4 1NE.ENGLAND. TRADE ??? MANY "RARE" ITEMS WRITE ME.


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Posted by:

GRAHAM BARRETT

Location: ENGLAND

Subject: CD-Rs FOR TRADE

Address. 92 Southern Court, Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent, Staffs,ST4 1NE. ENGLAND. CD-R Trades Wanted...I Have Many Items By The Band Dylan ....trade ??? Wanted Current Dylan Tour Of Canada CD-Rs ( I Have European 2002 Tour..Complete To Trade) SORRY NO E-MAIL..WRITE ME.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: The Hawk

Ive been going to the Hawks web site latley, what a charcter, reading his quotes and storys of the ole days, love what he tells a young Levon Helm, Son stick with me and you'll be farting through silk.. hell who knows if its true, but some good stuff none the less...


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ... just a quick message for Thalia (age 14):

I'm not sure if you've received any responses yet, but I wanted to let you know that it's great to hear that The Band's music has reached a new generation. I'd love to know how you discovered The Band, what attracted you to them, your favorite Band CD's and songs etc. Have you seen The Last Waltz? If so, what did you think? I look forward to reading your future GB messages!


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Posted by:

DZ Again

Almost forgot again... a belated congrats to new Papa Brien... life just got better...


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

HI and Amanda... bore me too re: Clarence S... he's that artist right?... I'd love to hear more... I'm at dlzuckATzucks.com...


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Posted by:

Phil

Location: Ca

Wasn't Robbie's father a gambler? I can't remember if it was his biological or step father. I always thought that's who he was referring to as the old man.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Roz...Cause like the gambler says, read em and weep, yehhh it could happen...

Ive seen the Skynard VH1 before, what a wild bunch these boys were, saw them recently on a rerun of Austin city limits, after the show one of the orginal members Rossington says that we have mellowed over the years,hell if we hadn't we'd all be dead, love where they got there name, Lynard Skynard was the name of a gym teacher in highschool that they all hated...


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Gambling

Rosalind: I think I am not a gambler. The two times I have been in Vegas I assumed I would lose and then when I got $20 on $2 of nickels for lack of anything better to do I just cashed out and said good I'm ahead and went dancing. I have a totally non-addictive, non-thrill-seeking personality I think. Let the thrills find me I say.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Cards expressions

I am pretty sure that's an old expression about playing the hand you're dealt. But there's that other expression about "if I play my cards right."


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: British Elvis fans

… can be frightening in their obsessions as well as nuts, but on the whole are more interesting people than British Cliff Richard fans.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Woodstock to Memphis aka Color Me Stupid

What was I thinkin' when I drove 9 hours east of Toronto to Woodstock and then decided to go to Memphis? Didn't I realize that I would have to make up the 9 hours going back plus more hours to Memphis for a total of 20 hours. Whew! Anway we are still in Memphis and are having a great time. Can't believe how the city has built up in 5 years. Going over to Soulsville U.S.A. aka STAX on Monday. It doesn't open till next year but the signage is up and will send pics to Jan.

Peter Viney.BRITISH ELVIS FANS ARE NUTS :-) I have never scene fans of Elvis so crazy. "Oh look here comes a real hound dog on a leash.grab the movie camera and the camera. Hey just shook Sam Phillips hand, I can die now." That's just some of the coversation going on. Well on to Elvis week. Will write my buddy Diamond Lil and Dave Z when we get home.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Richie Havens

Just saw Richie Havens yesterday (8-10) at a fairly new place in Bradford VT called Middle Earth Music Hall went to the 7 & 9:30pm show.. and as usual two great concerts.. Any one ever in VT you should check it out.. its real small and not a bad seat in the house.. kinda reminded me of the Van Dyke in Schenectady NY... would be a great place for Levon & Barnburners to play at.. they actually have alot of Blues acts booked to play there... Jonathan Edwards next Saturday is playin there and Janis Ian is booked to perform there ..

was watching VH1 today and there is a special on Lynard Skynard.. it is on tonight at 8pm... I highly recommend everyone watch it even if you don't like Skynard the in band fighting is crazy... talk about a band with problems... I never knew all the BS going on with that band... pretty interesting stuff


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Hey old man!

I always assumed the "that's what the old man always said" line was about Ronnie Hawkins, too, for some reason. It could be Albert Grossman. Whoever it's about, I'm sure it's a personal reference to someone in The Band's history.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Casinos, Live in Japan 83 and something else.

Continuing Viney's comment on music and casinos, it's good to remember that a lot of early Jazz, ie Louis Armstrong, got its' start in Storyville brothels, mob-controlled gin joints (The Hawks played Jack Ruby's!)etc., so a casino in the modern sense is really just a more sterile modern day progression of such venues! I've enjoyed my Ebay Live in Japan 83, and it's great to see the guys in that 'between phase' where they are still fairly young yet past the '70's era. Richard seemed in particularly good condition and in great spirits. What a rendition of 'You Don't Know Me'. I did however find the Cate Brothers to be a distraction. Perhaps I am partial to Jime Weider, Randy Ciarlante, and Richard Bell, but I felt they did not fit in with The Band at all! It was also too many cooks in the kitchen with the extra drummer, bassist (not enough Rick on bass!) and keyboardist. Of most interest, and perhaps someone can help me here, but the person who created my copy (off of laser disc at least, in stereo)tacked on at the end two tracks, Blaze of Glory and Shape I'm in, featuring what appeared to be an 80's version of Richard, Garth, and Rick with Paul Butterfield and band. It briefly said 'simulcast on...' some U.S. FM station, but too quickly to tell. The performances are very intense and powerful, but I have no idea what/when/where they ocurred. The videography and bootleg listings on this site have not helped me either. Anybody know what this performance is?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: viruses, Vegas and Fallen Angel

Viruses- I got 20 attempts today, quite swamping out the Nigerians. About 30% have Norwegian addresses, most of the rest assume the name of a GB poster. The latest batch wish you a ‘Happy Assumption” and whoever posts them has no idea of the difference between “will” and “would” (or alternatively ‘hope’ and ‘hoped’) in messages like “I hope this would excite you”, nor do they know that humorous is the adjective from humour, so are not native-speakers. I thought all these virus messages swam around the net auto-replicating themselves. I’m not too sure. On the two occassions I’ve attacked the originators here, the daily crap-count has shot from 6 or 7 to 18 or 20 for the next few days.

A few years ago, chatting to one of the stallholders selling bootlegs at a record fair, I was told that while the police were a business hazard (I don’t mean the group), far worse at London fairs were groups of burly fellows who were likely to “confiscate” bootleg CDs by just two particular major artists (both of whom are well-liked here, have strong Band connections and have done the odd duet together) and issue personal threats of a violent and unpleasant nature. If we knew who these aresholes sending out the crap were, we could club together and engage their professional services. Sorry, I’ve been watching the Sopranos too much lately.

On Las Vegas: one of the best gigs I’ve seen was in the shopping / restaurant area at Disneyland Paris. It was in a bar and available for the price of a drink, but as it was too crowded to get to the bar, it was free. They’d booked Taj Mahal & the Phantom Blues Band as part of a jazz and blues week, in an effort to improve Disney’s poor cultural credentials in the Paris region. I hope that their cultural credentials were deservedly enhanced as a result. A lot of people travelled out from Paris for it. I was just wandering past and saw the sign. “Tonight – Taj Mahal- Free.” So take the music where you find it. Few of the old dance-hall / club promoters were paragons of virtue or pleasant people. If Las Vegas provides it, enjoy it and don’t play the tables.

And so to “Fallen Angel”. The line, “You’ve got to play the hand that’s dealt you – that’s what the old man always said.’ Is this a well-known phrase or saying, or is it original? Does anyone know? It sounds like a saying, and I thought I’d heard ‘You’ve got to take the hand that’s dealt you’ before, but I was listening to the song yesterday and wondered. ‘You’ve got to take the hand that’s dealt you’ is fatalistic, but you’ve got to PLAY is significantly different, because even though you can’t change the hand, it is your choice how to play it. Just wondered if it was Hawkins (who I always thought was the one referred to), an old saying or original Robbie.


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Posted by:

John G

Location: Long Beach, New York

Subject: Levon Rockin'

Just a quick note to say I caught Levon last night at a small roadhouse in Huntington N.Y. He was playing with a band called the Lost Banditos (anyway, I think that was their name) Pretty much straight forward country rock. He was smokin' (totally used the "matched grip" for you drummers out there,wearing a glove on his left hand). I got a chance to shake his hand before the show, thanking him for all the years of great music, and he also signed a picture of me standing in front of Big Pink. I got one of his sticks after the show, that will go up on my music wall.. (I felt like a 50 year old groupie)..oh well. It was great seeing him, still enjoying himself.........John


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Posted by:

Mary (bear(

Location: Western PA

Subject: Levon

I just wanted to let anyone who is interested in the Heritage Music Festival coming up on August 18th in Wheeling WV to go www.heritagemusicfest.com for info and tickets. It is a 3 day music festival with many artists attending. Levon is playing on Sunday only, but it begins on August 16th, 17th, & 18th. Tickets are $20.00 per day or you may purchase them for the entire event. Hope to see you all there.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries, Europe

Subject: Eastern Sierras

DAVE THE PHONE GUY, you are bringing the tears in my eyes. The places you've mentioned, Eastern Sierras, the little town of Genoa - I've spent the best weeks in my life up there in many years during August-October. Enjoy the bands (incl. Dylan) in Tahoe!


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Posted by:

Mark

Location: Canada

Subject: map of southern ontario

A minor correction to the comment under the map of Southern Ontario. The top of the map points east (approximately), not north, so Simcoe is not south of Six Nations Indian Reservation but west. Great web site!


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Posted by:

roz

Location: On the Nickel...

Subject: The Bats vs The Pigs

Neil__ Bats fly out, why not Pigs? Hey it could happen......


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Vegas

Ive went to Vegas for the last two Super Bowls and will go no more, got my ass kicked, let it heal came back the next year and got it kicked again, unlike Levons quote about falling in love with New York, I won't be falling in love with that place anytime soon, licking my considerable wounds and going skiing out west instead this year, a buddy of mine who loves the place always says in referance to winning it big, "it could happen" yeh when pigs fly out of you know where..


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Rick's CD, Casino shows, and other performers

Rick's remastered CD has been moved to the TBA section of new releases according to my local CD store. A shame, I was really looking forward to it. On a side note, as a small businessman myself, in my case 2 camera shops and photo labs, I always try and buy from privately owned shops when I can as long as they provide good service. When my local CD store was having trouble finding Rick's CD I dropped buy a Borders and to my surprise while they didnt have the it the did have in stock Live From Breeze Hill, One More Shot, and his final CD. 3 Rick CDs in stock!!!! Did the sucess of the Last Waltz create a renewed excitement in the Band? Have the sales of their older stuff gone up since TLW was released? if anyone knows I'd appreciate them posting it. A really nice concert venue on the West Virginia side of the WV/Ohio eastern border is a place called The Harv in the Mountainer Entertainment Complex-Its right behind the building with all the slots and next to the Horse Racing Track. I saw some of the Brother Where Art Thou crowd and the Doobie Brothers there and I never thought twice about them playing at a "casino". I'm off tonight to the Crooked River Festival on the Cuyahoga River-this evenings headliners are John Sebastian and 2 original members of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band who are billing themselves as the Nitty Gritty Jazz Duo. I'm thinking I wont be hearing "Will the Circle Be Unbroken", but I'm hoping. And finally Linda Thompson's new CD is just wonderful, it is one of those sneak up on you discs that get better with every listen. Highly reccomended by yours truly if that means anything to anyone.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Jenny T. _ You must be a day person. I find it exciting to walk out and look around and not be able to tell whether it's 4 oclock in the afternoon or 4 oclock in the morning. And all those holes in the the desert out there, and all those $2.00 dollar steaks and car lots make me want to gamble. What I find to be weird is the fact that you know you've skimped and diligently saved every extra penny for two years to get there, and when you finally do, you don't give a Shit! "Easy Come, Easy Go," You say, "Oh, You Only Live Once" Yeah Right! The weird thing about Vegas, is the fact that you know beyond any shadow of a doubt, in your heart of hearts that you will undoubtedly lose your ass! Yet there still remains back somewhere deep in your mind the words "I Will Beat The Odds...I Will Win...I Will Win Big" If that don't make you believe there's a devil, Nothin' Will!


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Vegas

Maybe I'm weird but I find casinos and all of Las Vegas extremely depressing. I'd like to scrape it off the desert like a cancer. It's so creepy to be in the a/c no window casino, wholly isolated from the outside with the cheesy decor and all. I have been to Vegas twice, once dragged by my best friend's family when I was maybe twenty, and once with my then future husband on our way to the Grand Canyon, which was somewhat smoggy on account of the power plants which generate the electricity that lights up the place for the ooohers and aaahers.

But I feel good that both times they took no money off me and I left richer than I came--I guess I am lucky on nickel slots. Also I saw Charo there and she played AMAZING classical guitar. I never knew she actually had talent.


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Posted by:

Rev. Cosmo McKinley, K.S.C.

Web: My link

'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds...


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Posted by:

HI

Subject: Clarence S.

AMANDA, Please email me so I don't bore everyone else.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: BWNWIT and Neil Diamond

BWNWIT: I did NOT realize that about the Ray Charles slot machine. Thanks for informing me. that is pretty cool then. Bet it will be a pricey collectors item someday. Neil D.: Absolutely no offense was taken! Tull, like Spinal Tap, is just becoming 'more selective' with their audiences! But yes, I agree. At first seeing acts like them play a casino concerned me because it is so easy to associate with Elvis' declining days, but from other posts out here that is clearly not the case anymore. Heck, one of the last times I saw The Band was a pleasant surprise. I was staying at VA Beach for Labor Day, and unbeknownst to me they were playing the free music festival. So, if I found myself in Vegas or Atlantic CIty on vacation or business, I would be just as thrilled to find out I could spend an evening watching one of my favorite artists. In Tull's case, they are past their commercial prime in terms of record sales and selling out Madison Square Garden, but the benefit is that when they make an album (back in the studio by years end!)they no longer have to take into account what radio programmers want to hear. They can make an album the way they want to, to their particular tastes at the moment, so I actually like the new stuff better than the old.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Casinos

JTullFan... I hope I didn't come across in my casino remark that anyone who plays in a casino is washed up, as I reread my post that may have been how it sounded, maybe I'm wrong in this assesment but when I hear of a band like Tulll playing those I guess I got the impression that they do not draw well enough for thr big arena shows and although that may be true in some cases as people in here have pointed out, Dylan plays the smaller venues as does CSN... bigger venues does not always mean a better show just bigger doe for the band, in many cases the smaller shows gives the fan a up close feel that would be impossiable to get in a larger arena... about a month ago BB was slated to do a show at a local casino that for some reasen he had to cancel, I was planning on going to it and was bummed it didn't happen.. at any rate I didn't mean to infer that Tull or anyone else who plays casinos is washed up...


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Back To The Music!!

Beautiful evening here in NYC. Thanks to Ian Tyson for a beautiful set of original Canadian cowboy songs Outdoors at Lincoln Center (Free concert). At 69, Ian sounds great, looks great, is great!! - though I must admit losing track of his career for several decades. Great melodies, catchy choruses, great voice, great accompaniment - Gordon Matthews on lead acoutic guitar, and Gordon Maxwell on electric bass supplementing Ian's own acoustic strumming and adding some nice harmonies. What's the Band connection you say? Tyson mentioned he was once managed by Albert Grossman and referred to him as a "great guy." Ian encored with "Four Strong Winds" and ended with a great rendition of "Over The Rainbow." (Did I use the word "great" too much? Nah!!)


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

We made it home last night... still high from the trip and show... just prior to leaving Woodstock, we got a chance to meet the Donabies and Hudsons... the nicest folks in the world!!! The only thing cooler than seeing the world's largest kalidescope is having Maud and Garth as tour guides, right John... On the way home we stopped at Niagra Falls, a busy Yonge St. in Toronto, the Canadian Canoe Museum in Petersborough, and Fort William in Thunder Bay after a beautiful drive along the shores of Superior... In our wake lay hotel room beds that got jumped on alot by my 4 year old boys... If you are lucky enough to have a chance to see the JWB, Crowmatix or Garth & Maud live... don't let the opportunity pass you by... these guys are good... Take care...


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: This and that

Rich, Spam is a term used to describe all those emails you get trying to get you to buy something. Has anyone found Rick's remastered first album yet-I thought the release date was the 6th?


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Web: My link

JTull, the Ray Charles slot machine is a special machine that enables blind people to also participate in the good times of blowing their entire paycheck in an hour. I don't know if he was involved in any way in the design or creation or just put his name on it, but that's what it is.

The topic of payola has been mentioned here a few times, click on the link for an article in the Nashville Scene about a less-than-appealing side of the music industry. "Legal" payola still goes on big, big time; in fact, probably more than ever. Don't take the Billboard charts too seriously, they're easily and often falsified by stations innacurate reporting in a you-scratch-my-back deal. More evidence that that evil empire, the Great Satan of commercial radio is what is destroying music these days more than any other part of the industry. One warning - this article is fairly lengthy, a good deal of reading and literacy is required to get through it, so certain members of the GB community might want to stay away.


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Photograph

I just uploaded a picture of Butch and Larry Campbell from last November. See the above link.

I update Larry's page quite frequently. If you haven't been there in a while, please visit again and sign the guestbook. When Larry has time, he reads the messages.

Joy


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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Important news for Band fans! (Not Political!!!!!!!!!)


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Posted by:

molly girl

Location: the land of cotton

Subject: gazza

glad your back. The general store has really been busy lately. I've been turning alot of people on to The Band. It's amazing to me how so many people my age (47..I guess i could have lied and said 29) have never heard or heard of them.... I tell them, careful, once you hear the brown album, you never go back and yes, I used to feed my man chicken but not EVERY sunday what with the high cholesterol and all.... see ya, molly


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: "Rockabilly" Party at Lincoln Center- Sunday 8/11

The Westchester/Rockland Journal News weekend section has a nice blurb about the "Red Hot Rockabilly Party" at Lincoln Center on Sunday at 5:30 PM (62nd Street near Amsterdam). They rate it a "Best Buy" (free). Jim Weider (and Randy Ciarlante) and the Rockabilly Gurus; Paul Burlison; Rocky Burnette; Narvel Felts; Rosie Flores (they play her a lot on WFUV-FM); Wanda Jackson; Billy Lee Riley; Jack Scott. The Persuasions offer an acapella tribute to Elvis Presley. FREE. I think this is the site that the Big Apple Circus has used in the past.


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Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: NEW RELEASES

A site called cdworld.com is showing a september 17 realease date for "robbie robertson" & "storyville". Anyone have any info on what these may be. kjb


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Posted by:

Jay W.

Location: Atlanta

Subject: New Graham Nash Album

As a Band fan who also loves CSN(Y), I wanted to put in a good word for Graham Nash's latest solo album, SONGS FOR SURVIVORS. It was just released on CD on July 30, after having been released on DVD-A in April. Anyway, a great record! My favorite album from the CSN camp in many a moon, and it may be my favorite Nash solo album. Definitely in my top ten CSN-related albums. Highly recommended.

Thanks also to those who have provided many wonderful suggestions for my solo odds & ends collection. Looks like it will end up being at least three discs. I'm going broke buying additional CDs, but I think it's going to turn out to be a winner! Some marvelous discoveries made too. I'll try to post a final tracklisting by the end of the weekend.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: JWB

8/11/02,,5:30 pm,,Lincoln Center,,,,catch the JWB in concert,,eh!!!!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Oh S*** I almost forgot!

Happy 55th to Ian Anderson.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Taj Mahal

I'd like to see Taj Mahal play at the Taj Mahal. OK, it's the weekend. Get me outta here!


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Michael

Michael

Hey I didn't mean any disrespect to you.. I am a fan of Hot Tuna and the Crowmatix... I went to the Tribeca Blues Club back on 12-15-01 and saw you play with the Crowmatix (got some cool photos of you) and at The Higher Ground back on 5-25-02... I also saw you with Hot Tuna a few times years ago.. I know you have been playin with Tuna for a long time... I just thought Hot Tuna was doing the acoustic thing and that you were now a official member of the Crowmatix... I thought you had been playin with the Crowmatix longer... thats why I asked... never claimed to be a expert on the topic...

again sorry for the confusion..


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Posted by:

Michael F.

Location: NY
Web: My link

Hey now John. Michael here. I know it seems like I've been playing with the Crwomatix along time But in fact it's less then a year. And as far as Hot Tuna goes I've been in HT for going on 20 years now and still do shows with Jorma and Jack From time to time. In fact I leave next week play with them and will probaly tour with them in the fall. The reason it's billed that way is I think some times the promotor thinks it will bring more people in because they get to use the name Hot Tuna in the add. I personally dout it. Hey, but you never know. It's no big deal either way. Well I hope I cleared that up


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, still

Subject: Casinos as concert venues

Well, what conclusions can we draw about casino demographics, given the following artists slated to appear in the near future (according to their web sites:

Trump Marina (Atlantic City): Sammy Hagar/David Lee Roth, Our Lady Peace, The Wailers, Eddie Money/Loverboy/Survivor (no one with an IQ over 90 admitted), Lynyrd Skynyrd, Buddy Guy, Peter Frampton, Foreigner

Trump Taj Mahal (Atlantic City): Mary J. Blige, Pat Benetar, Jethro Tull, Marc Antony, Graham Nash, Musiq

Trump Plaza (Atlantic City): Smokey Robinson

Foxwoods: Joe Diffie/Marc Chestnut/Tracy Lawrence, Benetar, George Carlin, Bela Fleck, Righteous Brothers, LL Cool J, Diana Krall, Skynyrd, Tull, Olivia Newton John, Pink, Shaggy, Musiq

If there's a single trend there, I don't see it. I've been to Atlantic City once, and it was to see James Brown. I think it was the Taj, but I could be mistaken. The show was in a large cement-block room that reminded me of seeing concerts in college gyms. I think it's where they hold boxing matches. It was probably around '96, and hopefully they've built some better rooms since then. Certainly some of the Classic Rock re-run tours hit the casinos as well as the sheds. Hey, Cadillac is using Led Zeppelin (Rock 'n' Roll) in it's adverts, and I can't help but wonder what The Clash think of selling Jaguars (London Calling). Demographics have changed...we didn't die, we grew old!


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: Eastern Sierras

Subject: oops!

Dylan will be playing an 800 seat casino showroom at Harrah's Casino Lake Tahoe, not Ceasar's.One night,two shows.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Crowmatix

I got a question... why does the Crowmatix always have Proffessor Louie & Crowmatix featuring Michael Falzarno of Hot Tuna... isn't Michael Falzarno a member of the CROWMATIX now...?? it seems he has been playing with the Crowmatix for a few years hasen't he???? Jorma & Jack are Hot Tuna and that's how Hot Tuna has been performing the last 3 times I saw them as Jorma & Jack.. Billed as Hot Tuna

I am a fan of the Crowmatix have all there CD's but I have been wondering why they feature Michael of kinda like he is just sittin in with them when I thought he was a member of the Crowmatix..


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Casinos and Ray Charles

I was on Ray Charles' website a while back and he takes the casino thing one step further. There is an official 'Ray Charles Slot Machine'! I kid you not! It may still be on his site. A little tacky considering the man could not actually play one, being blind.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Re: SNZs

Bob Wigo, big Squirrel Nut Zippers fan right here! They are great players with witty, offbeat songs and that infectious enthusiasm for playing that I enjoy so much in musicians. Hot is widely considered their best album, with Perennial Favorites a pretty strong second. Also well worth picking up are Samsara (stunning & original debut album from ex-SNZer Tom Maxwell mixing elements of hot jazz, acapella soul, gospel, blues, Chinese opera & just about everything else!), and James Mathus' Songs for Rosetta (an album done to benefit Charley Patton's daughter...soulful-but-fun Southern blues played with something of a loose Basement Tapes-ish feel). Enjoy!


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: POE? Po?

Well, for what it's worth, I wrote a song about EA Poes house in The Bronx......"Poe Park". It's on an album we released a few years ago. Any of you GBers that've been to see us play in NYC will have heard it....I usually sing it with a girl called Dawn when we gig in NYC.............

That 1983 Japanese TV show of The Band is really good........but I saw another video of a tribute to The Bands Brown album....and the guy singing and MCing was READING the lyrics for the whole show......with a hotshot crack band, playing all the parts.....a very good band, no doubt..........

I could be wrong, but the guy READING the lyrics seemed a bit po(e)-faced about the whole affair. Reading the lyrics from a lectern means you really haven't LEARNED the song and it was a bit like watching a college lecture for me....

"Now, students, on THIS track they discuss the plight of a young married man who cannot stay faithful to his wife because of a free-loving, high-spirited young woman called Bessie....who resides up on Cripple Creek...."

It's like, did y'all ever notice that there are people who take The Band almost TOOOOOOO seriously?...with the attitude of "I know The Band and YOU don't, you worm...so listen to ME".

Did, uh, anyone ever come across that sorta, uh, attitude in their travels?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Kalervo and Canadian Folk Music

Thanks Kalervo for reminding me that everytime I'm in the Maritimes (fave province is still Nova Scotia)...I seem to miss a Folk Festival.....whether it's in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia or The Stan Rogers Folk Festival which is held annually in that province or..lol....He was born in Hamilton, Ontario....as was Tom Wilson of Blackie and The Rodeo Kings (other members in the group are Colin Linden and Stephen Fearing who I can't say enough about their musicianship!)...You would have really enjoyed yourself at our Rick Danko celebration featuring these artists as well as the Crowmatix Kalervo!)....Anyway, when Stan Rogers was in the Hobbits during 1967-1969 the group played music by Gordon Lightfoot (who is discussed greatly in Cathy Smith's book), Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen.....Hmmmmm.....no Neil Young....;-D.....He's a very astute kind of guy.....gave up on Teacher's College in 1971...;-D......Anyway, I'll save the stories for our resident CANADIANA EXPERT BILL MUNSON........

Greg Brown tribute recording sounds great....especially with Ani DiFranco (refers to the Church of Bob Dylan that many people belong to....but for her it was always the Church of Joni Mitchell).....


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: Mono Lake

Subject: Speaking of casinos

Tkts go on sale Aug.10 for two shows October 13 at Ceasars Lake Tahoe(big casino)featuring,,,,,BOB DYLAN.That's Bob Dylan and his band at a 800 seat casino showroom.I'm gonna call for tkts the moment they go on sale cuz I really enjoyed Dylan's set a couple of years ago.

These days all the top bands play the Reno/Tahoe area and are booked by major casinos.The Reno Hilton even has an outdoor ampitheatre set up.I'd prefer a different setting but generally the casino shows are professionally run.

Folks out here in the boonies don't have much venue choice.Ya go where ya haf'ta go.


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Posted by:

Bob R

Subject: Bob Dylan

Dylan fans-- tomorrow night (Aug 10th), in honor of Bob Dylans many recent Northeast concerts (Newport, Worc Mass, and Portland Maine) WOMR-FM's "Nighthawks" program will be dedicating its entire show to Bob Dylan ! Three solid hours of Bob's music-- listen live from anywhere at www.womr.org --the broadcast times are 10:00pm-1:00am PST / 1:00am-4:00am EST....request line (toll free anywhere in USA & Canada) 800-921-9667


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: "Ooooh Las Vegas ain't no place for a poor boy like me"

When John Entwhistle of the Who passed away recently, the group was about start their tour at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Vegas. I'm just trying to imagine how Keith Moon would have enjoyed a sojourn in such a lavish place.

For many years a lot of performers, even major acts such as the Eagles, have earned big bucks by playing private corporate affairs. Amid the milieu of the current round of corporate scandals comes the news that Tyco CEO Dennis Kozlowski spent $135 million of company money on his own lavish life style. Among the expenditures was hiring Jimmy Buffett to play for his wife's 40th birthday party. Wasted away again in Margarittaville (:-)


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Casino's

I don't think it's any disgrace to play at a Casino..., It's a big bucks venue. Plus I think you might be stereotyping the casino stage setting with an old Elvis show or something. I saw Yes, in the round, in Atlantic City in 94 or 95. The place was set up wonderfully. It must have sat an easy 7500 people. We sat in the upper section and towards one of the last rows and the seats were great. The sound was great - better than many arena's I've been at. Besides, lots of groups play casino's now - I believe the ever revered CSN, played the casino's in AC a couple tours ago. It's what happens when you get older (you and the act)


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Casinos

Neil Diamond: I know! I know! I am also not sure if more of the blame lies with the fans, whose demographics increasingly fall into the the casino going range. Maybe someone can research it, but I THINK I remember the Band playing a Tunica, Mississippi casino in the 90's. I know the Moody Blues have done it, BB King, and others. Also, Foxwoods in CT (where they may be playing along with Trump in Atlantic City) is supposed to have a pretty major theater for it. So, oh well. The indignities of aging; for us fans and for our favorite bands. At least we can still see them though.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: spam spam spam

dear peter. i always thought that spam was that horrible tinned meat immortalised by monty python in their famous spam spam spam sketch.im new to computers. please explain. cheers richie


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi
Web: My link

Subject: USA-Canada-Finland

What a lovely USA- Canada - Finland- connection: My American-Finnish friend, Eric Peltoniemi, is the compilation executive producer for the wonderful new record of Garnett Rogers, the Canadian troubadour:" All That Is -The Songs Of Garnett Rogers". The album is warm and folkish, and Garnett has a Big voice. The title track is maybe the most beautiful love song of the past decade (alongside Bruce Cockburn' s "Live On My Mind"). Brown Eyed Girl and other Canadians: have you stories to tell about Garnett and his late folk-hero brother, Stan Rogers?

Speaking of female artists: There is a brand new Greg Brown tribute out from Red House ( I am not their hidden employer - the label is just the plain wonderful), "Goin Driftless" in which the artists are all female. Look at the names: Lucinda Williams, Shawn Colvin, Iris Dement, Ani DiFranco, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Lucy Kaplansky, Gillian Welch, Victoria Williams, Eliza Gilkyson etc...!

Glad to see the real master, Hal Willner, appreciated here...

And glad to see that my friendly comments on the music of Jim Weider Band is being recognized...


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: ooohhhhh mmmmannnn

how the mighty have fallen, Tull playing at a casino up here... makes me think that even with the fallen members of the Band intact and RR with em, there fate may have been the same..


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Question: What is evil and ugly on the inside and green on the outside?

Answer: A witch dressed as a cucumber.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Oops

Heheh.. that exclamation in my last post should've read "alliteration"..not "illiteration". Hmm.. maybe I _did_ drink more than I realized :-)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Re: Sssssss

Holy Illiteration Batman! Hey Sssss... how long did it take you to do that anyway?? That's very impressive (gives me a headache.. but impressive just the same :-) Just checking in after a nice dinner with the folks and a few rum and cokes.. and thought I drank more than I realized :-)

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Don't get drunk and sign-on to EBay

Well, my first ebay purchase arrived today: a crappy homemade copy of the Band live in Japan, 1983. Probably just the official release copied in a closet. Oh, well, it was only 11.50 + shipping and cost of BidPay for a total of 19.50, so I probably got snookered, but since I've never seen it I'm looking forward to it. Hope I don't win any other bids I don't remember...


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Ssssss

Hey Pal, Would you mind repeating that?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Jenny T and Music Connections

I have also seen Joan Armatrading perform and the only other artists who remind me of her is Tracy Chapman and Joni Mitchell....All have very deep and powerful voices and are artists who are strong enough to reveal themselves via confessional lyrics at times........

Alison Moyet.....wow.....another power house singer.....did such an amazing job with Paul Young....at Live Aid '85....Three days of music to raise funds for famine relief....Unfortunately Dylan and Richards and Woody were not on top of things that day.....I was cringing through their song selection and performance......

I also saw Robert Palmer perform with Power Station (John Taylor and Andy Taylor from Duran Duran) on the same gig as Paul Young.....I have to admit it was Palmer's cover of PRESSURE DROP that brought me to the source....Jamaica's Toots and The Maytals...and Paul brought me to Italy's Zucchero.....Connections, connections.....Oh and Palmer reminds me of Bryan Ferry and Eric Clapton.....All of them like to wear designer suits....while they're singing any genre of music......Some of us don't judge an artist by their attire....Even if they were naked they would sound the same.......;-D......Although the last time I saw Eric perform with Raitt he was wearing a Nike T-shirt......

Anyway Jenny thanks for mentioning some female artists who rock in their own right and for reminding me of a time when I only had to worry about meeting deadlines......yikes.....still meeting deadlines......


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Posted by:

Anonymous Anne

Location: Hollyweird

Subject: The boys in the Band !!!

I realize I'm a johnny-come-lately here but The Band's song Jerico kind of reminded me of the nine miners that were rescured in PA recently. For the first time, I listed to Jerico's lyrics closely. Same situation only these miners survived. Great song! And to Levon and the boys, (yes and Robbie too!), I don't know what I'd do with out your wonderful music, you make my long drives every weekend much more pleasant because of it. I love ya all (even if you DON'T like your fan mail Levon, ha!).


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Robert Palmer/Yaz/Joan Armatrading

Addicted to Love is definitely a crank it up tune, as is Simply Irresistable--the drums in the middle of "now I find her...simply irresistable" just kill me.

I popped a random tape in the car yesterday and it was an ancient one I had made with Yaz (Allison Moyet sang) on one side and Joan Armatrading on the other. I saw Joan once and she was great in concert--I think she has a brilliant sense of melody. There is some song on the radio lately that sounds to me like a rip off of part of the melody of Love and Affection, but I can't remember what it is. Any fans here?


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Subject: re: Warning Warning Warning

I too just received an email (Norton quarantined it) from Garthhudson@hotmail.comw, with the message "Marginwidth."

Folks, be careful!


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Posted by:

Ssssss

Subject: Sound sense?...Silly syntax?...Shoite?

…short satirical saturnalia story…

… saga starting, salient stage-scene setting : simmering sultry summer, sometime. saturday’s sapphire sky showing stars slightly…slow sinking sunset…spasmodically seven spherical searchlights, squeaking slightly, slowly spiral, scanning saturnine starless skies, stenciling shadows…south suburbia’s stark, shapeless, skyscraper-scarred skyline…. …somewhere seaward, several southbound ship-shaped silhouettes, some square-sailed, some smokestacked, sound single slow sad sirens simultaneously, seemingly saying “stay shore-side sailors…stay sandy-safe steersmen, soundly sleeping…slumbering shale-secure”…

…shoreward, stillness swamps sea-side suburbia’s sprawl: some spacious status symbol soiree salon somewhere, shostakovich’s soothing syncopated second symphony spins softly…steve, susan, simon - society’s select sect, sit separately, silently sipping sweet sherry, sour scotch, several spirits (such self-service selections should satisfy serious swingers)…subsequently, slowly, seriously stoned…

…suddenly steve, seemingly spontaneously, stood spilling sherry, saying something so stupid … “strictly speaking” steve started “susan shouldn’t shave”…

…skinful-steve stopped short…staggered…semi-conscious…surveyed subsequent stunned silence, smiled…

…steve’s spilt sherry splashed sue’s suede shoes…seriously she stood…still staying sane sue spat “such slurring! such sacrilege!…”

…sozzled, she stalled slightly, subsequently saying… “since second semester shaving seemed simple, studious…sophisticated, so socially straight, so…” she sounded stupefied…sue’s star-spangled sequined skirt swished she shook so…

…“so?” steve smirked sadistically…

…“so…”, susan stuttered “so shaving stays!”… …“said singularity, strictly speaking, suits steve” said soft-spoken simon steadfastly showing sue some support…so saying, sot simon switched sofas…

…“so sure simon?” sue said “say…supposing someone said so?” susan suspiciously started saying…

…“suppose steve said so!” simon stated starkly…

…“scoundrel!” steve spluttered, seething…“sue, simon says something so seldom…surely simon’s say-so should strike suspicion! - stay subjective susan!”…

…sue stiffened, singly she stood…striding, squarely striking squabbling steve severely, she stamped, simulated sharp strokes showing stark, simple suicide situations…squirming spineless steve simply shrank…sue suddenly stopped…sighed…squawked “slob!”…subsided…sat…

…some score seemingly settled, spectator simon sat smugly subdued, sanguine, secretly satisfied…somehow stimulated…

…shamed, sedated (simply soused!) steve slept segregated - so simon surmised…

…seeing sue so sad, spellbound simon’s soft-spot stirred…stiltedly simon suggested shaking society’s straitjacket…suggesting (scandalously) sleeping snuggling shoulders…sharing sleeping sacks…solicitous solidarity…

…supposedly sure, scintillating sue seemed shaken, she seized simon saying she’d sleep so…snuggled, she’d share, sacrifice something special so simon’s saturday should seem stunningly spent…

…shapely slim, so-called svelte, sinuous…stockings scattered, scantily shrouded, sue’s sapid, smokey, sensual sable salty-skin secreting sweet saffron scents…smothering simon’s samaritan senses…such scandal!…scholar simon savoured scholastic sue’s sacred sanctum sanctorum…securing several successful, somewhat spasmodic, sap-sharing sweat-saturated sessions…sequentially…

…speechlessly sampling simon’s savage satyriasis secured self-sacrificing susan’s soundest sleep…

…stamina sapped, snoozing simon slept solidly…

…self-serving seedy, scaly second-string steve, somewhere secure, screened, secluded…secretly soundlessly shutter-snapping, stealthily spying…salivating, sporadically seeing scenes… softly saying sick sleazy slogans…systematically, suggestively stroking some sterile spongy stimulator simulator…seeing slinky showgirl sue seduce snared simon sent slippery steve spinning…steamy soiled-sheet shenanigans!…

…so saying, stale saturday’s sleepy select society stumbled slowly, sandman-silent, sadly sundaywards…

… secular sunday sunrise: stirring, scruffy, starving, (sexually satisfied) susan, simon (sans steve) scrambled sizzling scottish-style sausages, slit sideways…(“sumptuous scot’s stew” sue squealed salivating, serving simon said saveloy savouries - “salty sporran swill!” simon slated sue’s suggested snack)…

…still, stainless-steel saucepan scraped, stomachs sated…sitting, simon stared, studying sue’s soft skin...simon started: squinted…simon saw stubble, shining stubble sprouting spasmodically, saturating susan’s surface…such sandpaper skin!…

…sue’s shaving - seemingly sublime, surreal saturday - sharply shattered simon’s simple sunday, subverting simon’s sound sincere social structure...somehow, sue’s situation seemed squalid…

…sue saw simon staring…suspecting some sham she spoke “satisfied?” she speculatively said…

…staying still, simon, slightly surprised, standoffishly said “so - so”…

…“so - so…” soullessly susan said sadly…

… she silently stewed “slapdash social sex spoils some” …

…“strictly speaking“ she stumbled “steve’s still someone significant, someone serious”…

…sensing something simon said “so, say steve should somehow sometime surface…?”

…“seriously?” she seemed shaken “scatter!” susan stressed…

…simon sat still, surveying sue’s stain-splattered sofa, simultaneously sucking some sweet saccharine something…slowly…

…“show sue she’s sweet’, simon’s subconscious said, “show some solace, some sincere solid sign”…

…“shower?” simon suggested...sue shivered, shook slightly…so silently signaling she shouldn’t share simon’s shower…

…suddenly standing, sue’s swirling skirt scattered sunday’s sports supplement…”simon, scram!” she started…

…simon stood…sue stepped sideways, surprisingly speedily sue simply stated some stark statistics, scathingly showcasing simon’s stupid streak…she scolded showing simon slight sympathy, she suggested simon split…simon stuttered “such scorn” started saying something significant, stopped, stood so still, static…seemingly straining, searching skywards…suddenly simon’s shoulders seemed so stooped, sagging, simon seemed strained, spiritually scalded…so simply shrugging, simon straightforwardly said ‘sorry’…(simon swore subsequently sue sounded similarly so)…submissively simon swallowed susan’s sparsely-subtle sage separation suggestion…shattered, sallow, shaken, scallywag simon scarpered, spurned…solo…

…seconds slipped, shadows shifted slightly, sounds subsided…silence…

…selfsame sneaky steve (secreted somewhere soundproof - sue’s spartan study supplied such subterfuge-specific screened spaces) slowly - surreptitiously - surfaced…

…“satisfied salacious steve? satisfied seeing - sharing - simon’s sex scenes?” sue said squeezing steve’s satanic shoulders…

…sauntering, self-sure, sardonic steve, selfishly sated, stroked sue’s stubble... “satisfied?” said smooth-spoken steve, softly, simply…“sue…sexy saboteur, sassy-sue…scapegoat simon’s sex seemed so shallow, simulated, so saintly…shockingly simple! substandard!”…steve’s snidely sanctioning superlatives seemingly satisfied sue…

…scheming, sue scanned steve’s steroid-sodden synthetically-sustained statuesque shape subjectively “strangely” she silently sentimentally summarised “simon’s somehow still special…simon’s so…safe…

so…” sue, surprised, stimulated…suppressed speaking straight...so, sue’s strictly-speaking subliminal somewhat smokescreen statement stayed safely subconsciously, submerged…

…sibyl sue’s sixth sense suspected something…she shivered, she suddenly shook…shoving, separating steve, she shushed…signaling silence…smutty steve swiveled…stared…spooked…

…shapeless stairwell shadows…spectral sounds…someone stalking…

…suddenly! sour-simon stands swearing, swinging several six shooters…“surprise!…swindling swines!” spits simon…

…“simon, stop!” sue sharply screamed…servile steve shrieked, shrinking, sweating…

…sledgehammer split-second showdown: simon snaps…shoots slapdash…smithereens!…simon’s stray shots shatter several semicircular silver saucers sending shards, slivers, sparkling splinters…six senseless short sharp shots sound…some single slug silencing shifty steve…

…sue sees steve slowly slump… “slain!” sue screams…seizing sharpshooter simon, shouting, smacking, slapping, sobbing…

…simon…stunned, sapped, stands stupefied saying “sorry, so sorry sue”…sue’s strikes slow…

…slowly shuffling, some strangers show…shocked, some sensibly send signals, summarising sensational spectacle specifics…soon sporadic semitone sirens sounding, stifling sue’s sobbing…

…shockproof senior sheriff showed sheepish simon short-shrift, shoving semiconscious shackled simon street-side… …suburban, shocked, squeamish, salivating semidetached street strangers seeing simon safely secured, start speculating, spinning several strange shakespearean-style stories spontaneously… [some shops start stocking ‘simon-style’ shooters - ‘spectacular shooting-spree’ souvenir sales seldom slacken]…soon, sporadic slanderous shouts subside…sleepy stillness submerges stereotypical suburbia…

…skeptic station shift sergeant said simon’s sketchy specimen statement skimmed salient sections, skipping some serious specifics…simon’s shifty solicitor suggested simon skip…scheming, saying simon should settle somewhere secret, say scandanavia?…simon slammed such sophistry, shunning selfsame slanted skullduggery spiel…“skiing? snowstorms?… smorgasbord!” simon spat sarcastically…sacking slapdash solicitor…

…simultaneously, slanderous sue’s slick specious sworn statement simply said ‘sociopath-slime simon slew stalwart-steve, senselessly…simon should swing…snuff simon!’…sue’s simple soft sell sob-story swung some sentiment…still, simon’s someone’s son… some spectators said sue’s spiteful stance seemed somewhat severe…several sectors suggested somewhat slighter sentences…

…september seventh, shamed simon’s somber sentence - society’s sliding-scale sealed simon’s slip so: state security, seventy-seven summers solitary servitude, six suspended (should serve sixty straight)… …stardom’s startling spotlight since shutdown…simon’s still serving statutory strict social separation, somewhere secure…shafted, shell-shocked, senile, shabby simon seeks salvation sitting stone-solitary, soul-searching sewing some sloth’s slovenly smelly socks, slipshod…

…shrewd shallow she-serpent sue (showing scant sorrow) subsequently sold simon’s sinful story successfully: steven speilberg’s screenplay synopsis since serialized (stylish, star-studded soap…soundtrack (stephen sondheim) still sells solidly)…she seriously scored, securing sextillion somalian shillings…[so, sue’s settlement specie selection seems strange: sue’s screwy secretary skewed somalia’s socioeconomic statistics. still, sue’s shares stayed sound - somalia’s strength (sand, sea, sun) stimulated several speculative sea-side settlements…sue’s somali shares soared - sue sold several shoreline sections)…sue’s sydney’s sunday sketch’s ‘social scene’ section’s scribe’s sweetheart…synthetically shaven sleek sue spends sensationally (some say ‘squanders sensationally’), so she’s still styled ‘star socialite’…said sobriquet screens starlet-sue’s seamier side…successfully…{surely someone should sue sorceress sue someday soon?}…

…story summary: schizophrenically some specifically seek such scrappy saturday/sunday situations, sometimes seemingly strategically...some shun such sordid sociological shows…

…suits some, sickens some…so swings society’s surprisingly schmaltzy sexual scruples see-saw… …shalom…


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Bashful Bill - I really like the CD, "Mecca", by the Memphis Pilgrims. With Mike Falzarano and a lot of the guys from Hot Tuna, most of the disc is straight forward rock and roll, a Delta Blues influenced hard driving sound with a bit of a Stax/Volt kind of sound. Real good old American rock. My favorite song is "Everything Changes", which has upbeat lyrics about not letting it get you down when life knocks you around, I think of it as the opposite of "Blues Condition". Quite a few other good songs, too, a nice CD.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: SNZ's

I can't recall a mention of the Squirrel Nut Zippers here any time in the recent past. Any fans amongst us ?

Any suggestions on a first disc purchase ?


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Posted by:

gazza

Location: the derbyshire peaks

Subject: molly girl

"

" Molly sorry couldnt get back to you earlier I have been away and have returned.The shop is doing well and were getting ready for a festival of beer and good music Ill get to contact you soon gazza


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: levon & the BB's in Kingston

DENNIS, DENNIS, you havent learned your lesson yet ???

i know you mean well,,, but please dont do my job, cause ya got it wrong,,, excitable boy,,,

DO NOT CALL MARINER'S for tickets, DO NOT CALL THE RESTAURANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ya want to go to the Republican Sheriff's fundraiser,, please e-mail ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i will have tix & so will Barbara @ the Sheriff's dept,, but i dont think yall wanna call her,,,

i have friends/fans already comin from baltimore, too so JOHN CASS,, get ahold of me,,, & DENNIS,, let wanda handle reality, ok ?

thanks,, butch


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: cd's

John W-I have often wondered about that Memphis Pilgrims album, how do you like it? Also, does anyone know where Paul Burlinson's Train Kept'A Rollin album is available? Somewhere loke Amazon, probably?


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Clarence Schmidt

Earlier this week, Rollie and Andy mentioned an artist, Clarence Schmidt, that was befriended by Van Morrison. Found object sculpture is a unique art form and Schmidt definitely had the imagination for it.The link above shows a few of the houses he created in Woodstock as well as a little background info on the artist himself.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Guilty Pleasures

Now there's a guilty pleasure if I ever heard one. The first Alan Parsons LP. Arthur Brown's vocals on ‘The Tell Tale Heart’ are a scream (quite literally).

My guilty fave CD comp is called Hard Rock Cafe: Party Rock Classics... check it out 1. Addicted to Love - Palmer, Robert 2. What I Like About You - Romantics 3. Bang the Drum All Day - Rundgren, Todd 4. My Sharona - Knack 5. Hot Blooded - Foreigner 6. Another One Bites the Dust - Queen 7. Wild Thing - Tone Loc 8. Hot Hot Hot - Poindexter, Buster 9. School's Out - Cooper, Alice 10. Can't Get Enough - Bad Company 11. Fox on the Run - Sweet 12. Joy to the World - Three Dog Night 13. Gimme Three Steps - Lynyrd Skynyrd 14. Fool for the City - Foghat 15. Life's Been Good - Walsh, Joe 16. Do You Feel Like We Do - Frampton, Peter

Ya gotta love it...;-)


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Re: JWB Rockabilly Show

Amanda: I saw a very similar rockabilly show at Lincoln Center two years ago, which also starred Jim Weider & Gurus with Paul Burlison & co (and Tony Garnier on bass), and it was just awesome. I definitely remember a great version of "Train Kept A-Rollin" among many other songs. It was pouring down rain, but it looked like they were having the time of their lives playing up on stage and the energy was infectious for those of us who stayed. I'll definitely be there this Sunday. Yes, we Band fans in the NYC-area have a terrific batch of shows lined up! Will try to make the Garth/Crowmatix late show this Friday, and absolutely looking forward to Levon/BBs next Friday! Cheers all...Jon :)


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Yes, looks like a good week in New York -- with Garth and the Crowmatix doing The Music of The Band tomorrow night at the Bottom Line, and Jim Weider and the boys at Lincoln Center on Sunday! And next Friday, Levon at Tribeca Blues! Listening to new CD's "Remedy", "Flyin' High", The Last Waltz 4 CD box set -- I also picked up the Falzarano "Memphis Pilgrims" CD -- so much Band-related stuff I have not had a chance to listen to the new Bruce CD!


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Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties, NY

Subject: Mariner's Harbor

John, the listed phone number for Mariner's Harbor, South Broadway in Kingston is 845-340-8051.

You'll love the place: it's right on the Rondout Creek where it empties in to the Hudson River. Great l'il shops all around and great eatin' joints. ENJOY!

AGAIN FOLKS, FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T READ BACK TO LAST EVENING, A STRONG WARNING: DO NOT OPEN ANY NOTES FROM GARTHHUDSON: it may contain a worm that will eat your computer software and make the machine useless. Delete them immediately.

Some advise: don't use the @ sign to post your email address. Make it something like:

My email address is FCOOPER and I can be reached on HVC.RR.COM

PLEASE BE VERY CAUTIOUS: the days of innocence are over, even at a beautiful place like this guestbook.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: JWB Rockabilly Show

The Lincoln Center show on Sunday sounds like a blast. Does anyone know if the JWB is going to do any tunes from the "Train Kept A-Rollin'" record? Dave Z (I think) posted earlier this week that Jim Weider mentioned Paul Burlison at the Woodstock show. Is Burlison ill? Narvel Felts from Arkansas will be at the Lincoln Center gig. My Mom and Dad saw him many times in the 70s. I remember my Dad playing "Funny How Time Slips Away" ALL the time. I saw him play at the American Legion in Blytheville, Arkansas when I was about fifteen. My best friend was singing in a C&W band and they opened for Narvel. My friend actually dated his son, Narvel, Jr, for awhile. Narvel, Jr, was his Dad's drummer. I remember it being so scandalous at the time. Our fathers did not want us dating musicians or even hanging out with them and that just made the idea more attractive. Narvel, Jr, was a good guy though, but,unfortunately, was killed in a car accident in the mid 90s. Narvel has a great voice and he is a real legend. I think it is so exciting that he is on the same bill with the Jim Weider Band. You are very lucky if you are able to catch that show.


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Posted by:

JTULL FAN

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Interesting Bruce Springsteen show review


Entered at Thu Aug 8 15:45:32 CEST 2002 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Sept 17 Kingston NY show

Butch,

I looked at the concert page in the GB and there is no number to call for tickets... do you have a number to call to get tickets?? and can you post it in the GB??

thanks,

John


Entered at Thu Aug 8 14:07:38 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-169.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.169)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Quoth the raven …

Hal Wilner (who has worked with Garth) did a double CD of Poe readings on Paris Records / Mercury, “Closed on Account of Rabies”. I bought it for my son for Christmas, because he wanted a spoken voice Poe recording. Until today, I never realized it all had music behind it (I’d never listened to it, but I will now). There are a couple sung by Ed Sanders, as well as readings by Dr John (Wilner says “Gris Gris” was Poe-ish), Marianne Faithful, Deborah Harry, Jeff Buckley, Iggy Pop and others. There is musical backing to the tracks, and I’ve been looking through the tiny print in the credits with a magnifying glass as it seemed a likely place to find Garth– but no sign. Most music is by Hal Wilner. ‘Berenice’ read by Dr John has the Dr and group providing the music. In the notes, Wilner describes doing a Halloween show in 1997 at St Ann’s church in Brooklyn to try out some ideas for the record. Only two performances from the show are on the record, Marianne Faithful’s “Alone” and Abel Ferrara’s “The Raven.” You’d have thought if Garth had been present, Wilner would have mentioned him, and Marianne Faithful is a likely one for him to have backed. But the answer to Crabbie’s question about Garth’s participation in the live performance seems to be “ likely” given associates like Marianne Faithful, Hal Wilner and Dr John. I’ll have to get my son the Parsons one too now.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 14:02:09 CEST 2002 from hvc-24-164-170-78.hvc.rr.com (24.164.170.78)

Posted by:

Karma Man

Location: Beautiful Hudson Valley/Woodstock

Subject: Complete 8/03/02 - Woodstock Playhouse setlists

Jim Weider Band - 8/3/02 - w/ Sid McGuiness - 1. Now We're Talkin' 2. Subterranean Homesick Blues 3. Blues Condition 4. Freedom Walk 5. Wandering Soul 6. Remedy 7. Many Rivers to Cross 8. Life Is A Carnival

Professor Louie & The Crowmatix w/ M. Falzarano - 1. Twilight 2.Restless Islands 3. Over The Edge 4. The Great Beyond (Garths Truck Intro) 5. Bullfrog 6. Forever Young - Jam 7. Last Train Out 8. Gotta Serve Somebody 9. Don't Wait 10. Scarlet Begonias

Garth & Maud Hudson - 1. Maud Solo Blues Stomp/Garth -Sea To the North 2. I Just Want To Make Love To You 3. Don't Do It** 4. The Weight** ** Crowmatix & Weider Band Jam -

Thanks to RC for the transcription.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 11:22:06 CEST 2002 from pc51-105.hiof.no (158.36.51.105)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: e-mail addresses

All e-mail addresses have been removed from the guestbook archives. Also, there is no longer a separate e-mail field in the page where you compose your guestbook entry. Death to spammers and virus creators.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 10:50:52 CEST 2002 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Location: Halden
Web: My link

Subject: Test...

... 1-2-3...


Entered at Thu Aug 8 10:44:47 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-144.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.144)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: viruses

I get stuff daily with the names of people in the guestbook containing viruses - just delete everything with an attachment unless you are expecting it. The names of posters were picked up ages ago, before we stopped giving addresses. If you're sending an attachment, tell people first in a separate e-mail. Beware of stuff starting "Returned mail …" as this is another virus code to get you to open it. I'm thinking of changing my e-mail address but according to the article (see Crabbie's link) a "clean address" was set up to test and within weeks it was getting spam. I think that spammers could even kill the net unless something is done to stop them. I noted the section about "new net users" giving up because of spam and porn spam.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 06:12:02 CEST 2002 from 1cust91.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.91)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Poe & Robots

I seem to recall Garth being involved in a performance here in NYC within the past 2 years helping to provide a musical backdrop to some writings by Poe. I wasn't there but am pretty certain it occurred. Anyone else?

Steve Martin once did a routine called "What I Believe" - one of the things he said he believed was that "robots are stealing my luggage." Well, now they're stealing e-mail addresses from your address book and the Band website and sending you the Klez H Virus in bogus e-mails that pretend to come from folks you know. There's a good lengthy article on this subject on the CNN website - click the above link to read it.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 04:37:45 CEST 2002 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: POE

For the Poe fans out there that may not know, The Allen Parsons Project put out an album called "Tales of Mystery & Imagination". Not sure of original release date(late 70's?) but it is available on CD. All songs are Poe poems set to music. Very well done. kjb


Entered at Thu Aug 8 03:16:41 CEST 2002 from syr-66-24-57-41.twcny.rr.com (66.24.57.41)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: Re:Dennis' WARNING

I get the usual halfdozen or more daily from Nigeria and other odd places, and delete em immediately. Today, however, I recieved 2 emails from 2 different GB posters. I was suspicious as a) they came in my bulkmail,and I usually wouldn't recieve email from these guys in bulkmail, and b) the subject was a jumble of letters. I reached one of them, who said he didn't emailme today, havent been able to reach the other one. I should probably just delete it, too. So, unfortunately, beware.


Entered at Thu Aug 8 02:47:56 CEST 2002 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond.

Subject: Rollie and Roosevelt.

OK, you got me. You got me good. :)


Entered at Thu Aug 8 02:09:44 CEST 2002 from hvc-24-164-169-94.hvc.rr.com (24.164.169.94)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties, NY

Subject: WARNING - WARNING - WARNING !!!!

I'm so sorry to send this out after Butch's announcement, but....

Jan and others: over the last couple of days I've been receiving mail,WITH AN ATTACHMENT, that has crashed my mail facility, Microsoft Outlook Express.

I just received another from GARTHHUDSON with an attachment that again has crashed the mail program. This is the first one with a name associated with this web site. The subject was: Introduction on ADSL.

I don't have a firewall (will absolutely purchase one tomorrow), but this note has already proven itself dangerous. I would suggest you DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT until someone with a lot of computer skill takes a good look at it.

Now, how's about getting back to the good stuff......


Entered at Thu Aug 8 01:54:39 CEST 2002 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: levon& the BB's-ulster county gig

ok,,,,,,,

NEW BARNBURNERS DATE FOR ULSTER COUNTY & THE ENVIRONS,,

Sept 17th --------- Kingston, NY ----------

Mariner's Harbor,, on the Strand,,,,,,

one catch tho,,,,ITS A FUND-RAISER FOR THE SHERIFF, Richie Bockelmann,,, A Good Friend & fan as is his wife,,,

so if ya wanna go,, ya gotta buy a ticket to richie's fundraiser,,,,heheheheheheheheheh,,,

oh,,, Tony Garnier will be on the Bass,,,,,,too,,,

see ya there,,,,,


Entered at Thu Aug 8 01:05:36 CEST 2002 from mplsdslgw10poolc163.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.42.163)

Posted by:

herbie hancock

Subject: to brent

i believe producer john simon is playing the tambourine on "tears of rage". not many overdubs on that album. although there are a couple on "tears of rage"(sax,acoustic guitar)


Entered at Thu Aug 8 00:37:10 CEST 2002 from sdn-ap-022castocp0251.dialsprint.net (65.178.96.251)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Roosevelt /Band connection

JTull- I don't know how you could have missed Roosevelts connection to the Band! One of their famous bootlegs was recorded in the stadium that bears his name. Duh!:)


Entered at Wed Aug 7 23:53:11 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Poe and oPium

All this talk about Poe has reminded me of a Robert Earl Keen song from way back called "Christabel" and I don't know why..... I just finished the last page of Nick Tosches' "The Last oPium Den" That could be why....


Entered at Wed Aug 7 23:02:30 CEST 2002 from wireless-cl02-163.halden.net (195.70.189.163)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Testing...

... please ignore (the sunyocc.edu block didn't work... now it does)


Entered at Wed Aug 7 23:00:24 CEST 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Bruce Springsteen and Bill

Bill, you may be right! Nice CNN Bruce Springsteen Link above. Thoughts on politics plus the Rising debuting at #1.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:49:54 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-080.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.80)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Am I wrong, or do I detect the returm of Al (a hearty welcome back) in Neil's piece on the Croon?


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:47:41 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

JTull Fan: The way WVA trips off your keyboard, I can't help but read it as Wivva. Isn't there a hymn about it on Cahoots?


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:39:20 CEST 2002 from syr-66-24-57-41.twcny.rr.com (66.24.57.41)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: classless

To whoever you are, I repeat-whatever your beef is , what you publically said was contemptable.Take it private.Sorry, Jan, I won't address this idiot on your site again.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:33:29 CEST 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: State references

Let's keep West Virginia separate. They seceded from us so that's the way they wanted it. I saw on a PBS show that the orginal name of WVA was supposed to be 'Kanawha', but there was concern over pronunciation and the ability to spell it properly, so they said, heck, make it WVA, although North VA is just as accurate, if not moreso. I can't think of a WVA Band reference. Do you have one? I believe the 4 I mentioned are all VA proper, although Danville can be confused as Danville Kentucky, historically General Stoneman was most active cutting the railroads in VA, particularly during the 1863 Chancellorsville campaign, where he was trying to cut Lee off from an anticipated retreat to Gordonsville, which never ocurred as Lee would prove victorous, thanks to the flank attack by VA born (but now in WVA)Stonewall Jackson. Danville was also the final Conefederate capital after the fall of Richmond.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:32:02 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Annabelle Lee

Bob Neuwirth wrote a great song entitled "Annabelle Lee", set as a slow waltz. It appeared on his 1988 "Back To The Front" album. T-Bone Burnette recorded a fine cover two years earlier for his eponymous MCA/Dot solo album.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 22:19:47 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

Uncle Charlie / JTull Fan: Elmore James also had a great song called "Anna Lee", though he pronounced it Annie Lee. With Fanny being a nickname for Ann (so Anna Lee), I wonder if there's a vague echo of Buster Brown's "Fannie Mae" in there, as the song was in Ronnie Hawkins' repertoire ca '64. Also, would Ol' Virginny be ol' enough to include West Virginny, and if so, does that throw off your state-by-state count?


Entered at Wed Aug 7 21:51:34 CEST 2002 from ts1-illavl152.shawneelink.net (216.240.90.163)

Posted by:

Sleepy Bill

Location: Illinois

Subject: Great Website

I've been a faithful follower of The Band for years, but I'm only now beginning to learn to use a computer. This looks like a great web page .... one I'll spend hour after hour at, for sure. I look forward to getting to know y'all.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 21:30:16 CEST 2002 from x.electronet.net (216.173.174.94)

Posted by:

Brent

Location: The Rumor
Web: My link

Subject: Drum question

I was listening to "Big Pink" today and wondered about the drumming on "Tears of Rage". Specifically, during the chorus, Levon (I'm guessing) shakes a tambourine. I'm wondering if this was overdubbed, or if he grabbed the tambourine with one hand during the chorus. I don't recall seeing him do this in any live footage. Anyone have any ideas?

Also, anyone interested in hearing live Barnburners mp3s?


Entered at Wed Aug 7 21:22:54 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ray, Richard Manuel, and Annabelle Lee

Ray: You still own a radio? :)I agree. Although I'm happy that someone at least released Richard's CD (and Andy R. probably worked a miracle to do it, so this is not a criticism of him)it's hard to believe that NO U.S. distributor would take it. To bad Rick and Aaron's Breeze Hill wasn't still around to take it. On the Annabelle Lee: Poe was a long time resident of Richmond, founding the Southern Literary Journal here. Our riverboat is called the Annabelle Lee after his work, so now a slightly less tenous (SLIGHTLY) Band connection: The Annabelle Lee cruises part of the setting for The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down. Speaking of which, for my fellow Virginians, can anyone think of a state with more location settings than Virginia? You've got Richmond and Danville mentioned in TNTDODD, 'Norfolk Virginia' on I'm Ready from Moondog matinee, and Rockin' Chair, down in Old Virginny. I think Kentucky is next with two, Kentucky Downpour and Jericho, Kentucky.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 21:06:40 CEST 2002 from (64.242.2.37)

Posted by:

Uncle Charlie

Subject: Poe/Rock

If I'm not mistaken, Phil Ochs set "the Bells" to music, too. As for a Band connection, what about Miss Anna(belle) Lee?


Entered at Wed Aug 7 20:54:04 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

For those of you who see no place for Edgar Allen Poe in rock and roll, it just occurred to me that the first LP by the Hour Glass (proto Allman Brothers) includes Gregg reciting "The Bells" - as set to music by the band. (This could be cited as evidence both pro and con.)


Entered at Wed Aug 7 20:47:53 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

Neil: Quoth Brooce, "No free ride". Quoth Edgar, "Come on and take a free ride. I prefer Edgar's attitude on this one, even if he's not Po'.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 20:42:33 CEST 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G.

Subject: J-Tull Fan

J-Tull, Thanks for the info. Been a while since I've looked through the guestbook so I'm out of touch with recent topics. I was thinking that Jim Weider's latest CD has been issued in the USA so maybe Richards CD would be released here too. BTW... Shame on me? Shame on any American record company (Major or Indy)for not releasing "Whispering Pines" over here in the first place!!! It would have been a welcomed change (for me anyway)from most of what I've been hearing on the radio lately!


Entered at Wed Aug 7 20:22:31 CEST 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Posted by:

Neil

Subject: Brien Sz - CONGRATS - and a word to the wise

Hearty Congratulations Brien and family.

A word of warning from way back however - BEWARE of excessive Band impregnation with your lovely daughter.

THE DARK SIDE OF THE CROON

By 1970, my wife had had more than enough of The Band.

It wasn't so much the relentless nightly bombardment I had inflicted upon her with my vinyl over-indulgences, though I suspect they did have their part to play. Rather, it was the potentially debilitating effect she felt my bedtime Band lullabies were having on our eldest child.

I think what finally swung her into action was the pet raven he had requested for his 3rd birthday. It seemed to shake her a bit. If I'm honest, it did me a bit, too, I have to say.

In hindsight, I think if he'd have stuck with his original request for the complete works of Edgar Allen Poe, then she might well have turned a blind eye to his increasingly macabre bents. The raven, however, probably represented the final straw.

Almost instinctively - and let's not forget, you are talking of a doting mother, after all - she began to look for reasons why her son was turning into this sort of budding Doctor Phibes character.

Needless to say, from that moment on myself and the boys in The Band were on a loser. Bit by bit, the suspicion started to fall at my door. Or, more precisely, that of my bedtime repertoire.

Now, on considered reflection, I do have to admit that not all of my choices were what you might classify as authentic lullaby material. Certainly, by no stretch of the imagination would you term them happy-go-lucky little ditties.

For instance, the selection of 'Tears of Rage' to open my set, whilst perfectly congruous with The Band's own chronology was perhaps a teeny weeny too soul-searching for even the most pensive of two year olds. Nor, I dare say, did the follow up of 'Lonesome Suzie' do an awful lot to lighten the atmosphere.

But hey, come on. There's more than one way to look at these sort of things. It's a tough old world out there and you can't stay wrapped in cotton wool forever. At some stage in your life you really do have to face up to life's harsher realities. After all, this is no pleasure cruise we're all on here; no free ride as Brooce might say.

Anyroad - if you ask me - two is as good an age as any to grasp that nettle. Besides, nobody could ever say that my third offering ever failed to bring some lighter relief to the proceedings.

I don't suppose I'll ever get to know why he seemed to take such a shine to 'Long Black Veil'. It could well have been that lovely nursery rhyme feel it had to it. You know the bit I mean. All that stuff about 'moans' and 'bones' and all that. I think kids tend to fall for simple rhyming like that. Especially when it involves skeletons and things. There again, maybe it was simply the sort of haunting grim reaper ambience the song invokes which took his fancy.

Whatever, the song just seemed to hit the right spot with him. He would have me singing it over and over and over. More often than not it would end up it was me who nodded off. And even then the little blighter would dig me in the ribs to start the whole thing off again. Why, I've still got the bruises to this very day! At times it would be like some war of attrition to see who would give in first.

Now don't get me wrong here. Nobody but nobody loved singing those blessed songs more than me. Christ, I doubt if even Rick and the boys themselves could convincingly put forward that claim.

There is a limit, though.

I mean, at one stage I was even downing jugs of black coffee and handfuls of amphetamines just to stay awake. Often the only way I'd gain the upper hand would be to break off with 'Veil' and sneakily veer into 'Whispering Pines' hoping he wouldn't notice. In fact, I'm pretty sure if it hadn't have been for 'Pines' and all those soothing lyrics managing to lure him into slumber I'd still be laying on that bed singing 'Long Black Veil' as you read this!

Anyroad, we're thirty years down the road now. It's all in the past, I suppose. The crooning. The groans. The moans. The wails. The bones. The entire shebang. Do you know, by the time my wife finally called a halt to it all, I guess I must have given about a thousand renditions of 'Tears', 'Suzie' and 'Pines' and over FIVE thousand of 'Long Black Veil'!!

In fact, she's adamant that if she hadn't stepped in when she did I might well have inflicted some lasting psychological damage on the poor lad.

And do you know what? I think she's probably right. Certainly his pet ravens believe that to be the case.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 20:24:44 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ray G. and Richard Manuel

Ray: Shame on you for not reading all my posts! I'll forgive you this time. A few days ago I mentioned that Amazon.com has Whispering Pines for $41.00, which, although pricey, is probably the same as buying it from Japan with freight and all, plus it is a lot more convenient. I'll hope to buy it soon. I'll wait until my wife buys something so she can't get mad...Good Luck!


Entered at Wed Aug 7 19:25:48 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: RR songwriting

An important factor with Robbie Robertson's songwriting for The Band was, with a couple of exceptions, he was writing songs that someone else would sing. He has mentioned this over the years in interviews. With three different singers in the group to interpret the songs, he had to consider whether the singers would be comfortable with the material.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 19:22:27 CEST 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G

Subject: Andy R.......... Richard-Whispering Pines

Hello Andy,

Is Richards album still only available in Japan? Wondering if there are plans for release in the USA? Hoping like hell to hear it sometime soon but the import price is kind of steep.

Thanks in advance


Entered at Wed Aug 7 18:36:33 CEST 2002 from 1cust131.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.250.109.131)

Posted by:

Yogi Berra

Subject: Commenting on the Band GB

"Nobody goes there no more! It's too crowded!


Entered at Wed Aug 7 17:36:41 CEST 2002 from oshst-043.olysteel.com (63.91.50.43)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: The Bill is due

Real name Clyde Jackson Browne.

Rockaday Johnnie.....that's Elton John playing piano on "Redneck Friend". The story goes that he was in the States without a work permit, thus the alias.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 17:34:19 CEST 2002 from sc-hiltonhead1b-18.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.20.18)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Dennis

Thank you for the link to the Greil Marcus article. I didn't know he had a regular column on Salon. I will eventually attempt to get through the archives. I especially loved the mention of Son House. Son House has become very important to me, with gratitude to Bill Wyman and his Blues Odyssey for adding icing to the cake. Son House is genuine, undistorted and terribly blemished with no hypocrisy. His struggle with the church and real life is raw brilliance.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 17:32:45 CEST 2002 from dialup053-a.ts552.cwt.esat.net (193.203.156.53)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Been busy but.......

......been watching a video of The Band in Japan in 1983....a great show!......Levon, looking sharp and pretty much MCing the show..... Rick, happy, relaxed, healthy and clearly enjoying himself...... Richard, happy smiling, singing and playing great drums on many of the songs......Garth....as ever, heads down and rockin' Garth!......I wuz knocked out......I guess it's The Cate brothers with them.......

That's the best thing about music, innit?......there's so much to you've yet to hear and see.....I had no idea about that show and wuz delighted to see it and share it with Band-heads I know here in Cork......... ....and that's what makes this GB so cool.......everyones turning people onto new stuff and sharing info....with The Band as a focus......it's so good that it's BOUND to attract people who are jealous of it's beauty and try to desecrate it..........Thankfully, Jan is on top of it and controls the content.......

Congrats to Brian SZ!........ Arlene Grace is a beautiful name.............


Entered at Wed Aug 7 17:31:53 CEST 2002 from m35-mp1.cvx1-a.swa.dial.ntli.net (213.105.228.35)

Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: no more formats please!

the appearance of yet more formats fills me with horror. iv not long replaced my vinyls with cd's without getting rid of the vinyls of course. as we all know there are certain albums which are out in their 3rd or 4th versions already on cd.eg the who live at leeds. bowie's had his entire catalogue remastered twice.the recent 30th anniversary edition of ziggy was the 4th time on cd. my wallet, my house space and most importantly my wife cant take anymore of this . enough is enough!


Entered at Wed Aug 7 17:22:48 CEST 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70349.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.192.190)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Since Bill can't stand the suspense..........Clyde Jackson Browne born in Germany.....Elton John......


Entered at Wed Aug 7 16:54:54 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

I guess I Me Me Mine must count as another link between the fab four and our own fab five.

Bob: Please say time's up - I can't stand the suspense.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 16:19:20 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

Yogi Berra

Subject: "90% of everything is half-mental"

Is it just me or are these stupid cameo appearances by famous people getting on all of your nerves too? "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah' Where is the relevancy? I'm waiting for Big Bird to log on and announce that today's GB is sponsored by the letter D, as in Duh!- JTull Fan.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 15:47:39 CEST 2002 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Robbie

Robbie said he was embarassed by singer songwriter mode of song writing??? That it comes off as being in love with yourself...

I I Me Me Mine..... sounds like Robbie talking about his role in the Band...


Entered at Wed Aug 7 15:37:53 CEST 2002 from oshst-043.olysteel.com (63.91.50.43)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: GB Trivia

Jenny T,

Some Jackson Browne trivia.....Do you know his full name?

Also, on the tune you mentioned, "Redneck Friend" there is a musician named Rockaday Johnnie credited. Do you know his real name?

Hurry, the clock is ticking......................


Entered at Wed Aug 7 15:14:13 CEST 2002 from sdn-ap-022castocp0502.dialsprint.net (65.178.97.248)

Posted by:

Theodore Roosevelt

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Theodore Roosevelt.


Entered at Wed Aug 7 14:35:29 CEST 2002 from 0-1pool32-80.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.32.80)

Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: My Life Is So Fascinating Songwriting

That is so funny what Robbie said, that he couldn't write in that mode: "'I woke up this morning, had a cup of coffee, my life if so fascinating I feel I have to express it to you.' That embarrassed me!" Sometimes, esp. with the early 70s singer songwriters, they just come across as in love with themselves and their petty little ups and downs. Sometimes someone will brilliantly express a feeling everyone has had and you can relate to it and say "what a perfect way to say it." But some songs are all I I Me Me Mine, even in talking about relationships where maybe there should be a little you and we in there.

Jackson Browne's album Everyman has songs like that, though I love Redneck Friend (never got the joke until recently, though) and the title song: "All my fine dreams and well thought out schemes to gain the motherland/Have all eventually come down to waiting for Everyman/...Waiting here for Everyman--don't ask me if he'll show/Baby, I don't know."


Entered at Wed Aug 7 12:31:18 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-009.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.9)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: LOTR, Stephen Davis

Didn’t watch the movie last night, but I did watch a few of the extras. The expanded edition due in November will be a FOUR DVD set. They showed little clips of the extra 30 minutes- and they seem as if they’ll fill in a few skipped plot items (Gimli’s devotion to Galadriel etc) “The Two Towers” footage is astonishing. You don’t get a discount voucher in the British one AND it’s not DTS (but nor was Phantom Menace). They’re leaving themselves the DTS version for after the expanded version.

While I’m enjoying the Steven Davis’ Stones bio (Old Gods Almost Dead) he has some irritating typing tics, as we all do. Statements like “The Cavern was Ground Zero for The Beatles” is the third inappropriate / meaningless use of “ground zero” in the book, I think and I’ve just hit “1965 was Year Zero.” This suggests he should have Word highlight and reject “zero” everytime he types it! Nice how often (but quite irrelevantly except to Band fans) he mentions things like Helena, King Biscuit, The Hawks in Canada to try to paint a picture of the Stones’ sound at the time. It’s also fun to see Bo Diddley reminiscing about how he told them in 1963 that (1) they’d be the second biggest group after The Beatles, but (2) would last much longer. Er, no benefit of hindsight there, Bo?


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Posted by:

Steven Brooks Lime

Location: Spokane, Washington

Subject: the band is my all time favorite band

They got me thru the 60's, into the 70's, and 80's. I miss the family of musicians I call the Band. I play music and am one of the best in my area. The Hammond B-3 doesn't get much play anymore, but mine does. The void that Richard,and Rick have left is our northern lights-southern cross to bear. I believe J.R. Robertson and Garth, and Levon can still write and sing, and play a tune or two. Let's go boys.God bless the BAND.Steve from Montana


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: All kinds of stuff

First off, let me add my congratulations to the list Brian, there is really anything better than watching your kids grow up. 2cd, while I agree RR new disc strikes me as getting himself out of his contract the sound is very, very good, the choices are excellent, and a few of the reworked pieces seem better than the orginal. 3rd, I couldnt find the Rick remastered today. None of my regular CD stores had it, guess it is a special order. 4th, Chris Hillman and Herb Pederson have a new CD out called Way Out West, I strongly urge anyone who has been a fan of The Byrds, SHF Band, The Desert Rose Band, Clark, Hillman and Mcguinn, Hillman-McGuinn, or CHris by himself to pick it up. 5th, saw Jorma of Hot Tuna/Ariplane fame play his White Guy Blues from the 20s and 30s stuff last weekend-if you get a chance, see him.


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Posted by:

G-MAN

8/3/02,,,Hot Summer Nite in Woodstock,,NEW YORK!!!! The Jim Weider Band, the Cromatix and Garth and Maud put on a fantastic show!!! It was great to meet up with-Snake, Frankie SCORSESE,,Ricky THE FOUNTAIN and Pat,,Capt. Jack and Gen Pat,the Izzo's, D'Lil, Cousin Paulie,,Tommy from Woodstock, Mr. Guitar Sullivan, and Dave and Chris Z and the three little Z's; the Partridge Family of the future!! Oh,,and Dutch Dener,,as Momma G said,,Ulster county's gift to what???? Yeah,,WHAT???? Was super sayin hi to Maud; catchin Garth tunin his sax beside the stage!!! The Cro's put on a great show; Louie and Marie,,Mike Demicco,,and the other guitaris/ vocalist whose name I missed!! Gary Burk and Mike Dunn,,,,wow!! Jim Weider was in a zone,,agin! He and Sid McGuinnes were awesome!!! Rando and Albert,,what a groove they were in,,and Dan,,turnin into a real giggin player!!! Metal Jam,,Remedy, Carnival,,,heck,,ALL of em were great!!! The encore, with both groups combining to perform, Don't Do It and The Weight,,,,rocked the house! Man,,everyone sharin vocal,,,Dan's solo,,Gary and Rando right on the money; Albert and Dunn-hi end/low end playin and soundin super!!!! Throw in the LEGENDARY Shredni V.!!!! Well,,if I was the Capt. of the Titanic,,after that show,,it would be---women,,children and rhythm section first, to the lifeboats!!!!!!Special thanks to Jim and Niko,,Rando, Doug and Rita,,Dan,,Albert and anyone I missed,,,,had Momma G rockin her buns off!!! Well,,Mikey,,J Cass, the Bashes, John D. and Ala, and the Trouble Twins-- ya missed a great show!!! Of course,,the next one will be better!!


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: LOTR and classless clods

Peter-are you aware that in a mere 3 months(Nov 12), according to USA Today, not one but two more expanded DVD editions will be released? "30-plus minutes of additional footage, director's commentery, and two additional discs with more than 6 hours of extra content not available on the version released today. Also will be available in a collector's gift set with a pair of custom bookends."It also says the edition available as of today includes rebate coupons redeemable if one buys either of the future editions. What a business, what a racket! I still predict Scorcese and/or RR will discover "lost LW footage" and rerelease it within the next 2 years. Now on another subject-that person who went off on Dr Pepper-I don't think I know you, but if I did I would be ashamed that I am associated with you. Referring to his recently deceased son in that way was one of the lowest blows I have-ever- witnessed. Whatever your beefs with him may be, you are a contemptable, low, and obviously a sad person.I know several epople who work at OCC, and I can't believe you share space with them.And to do something like that so publically, and to have the nerve to use Jan's website, shows you have no decency, no respect for anyone. Jan,as a resident of the same area as the idiot who sullied your website with that garbage,that trash, I also feel sullied, and I apologize for him/her.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Thanks

I just want to thank everyone for their kinds words and blessings. I never realized this love before.., amazing. We are still in awe but what a feeling. Thanks again for your thoughts.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: children

Brien: Congratulations to you and your wife on the birth of your daughter! There is no other love in the world quite like the love for a child..or of a child. It's the purest. most honest love there is. Wishing you a lifetime of that.

On a funnier, child-related note, my mom and dad are here visiting from Florida, and we always make it a point to talk about funny memories since my dad has Alzheimers and can only relate from the memories that we keep sharing with him. We were just talking tonight about my youngest and how when he was about 3, he was always getting into everything. My husband and I would constantly say "Justin don't do that!" Well, we were at my husbands work one day, and someone came up to Justin and asked him his name. And without missing a beat, my little boy said "Justin don't do that"! I'll never forget how much we laughed about that.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ...

Jenny T: I'm glad you enjoyed the RR quotes I posted (July 27) regarding "It Makes No Difference." You mentioned my accompanying commentary and I just wanted to clarify that all of the text and commentary were written by Bill Flanagan for an article titled "The Return of Robbie Robertson" published in Musician magazine in 1987.

I'd like to pick up again on RR's songwriting style. In particular, his comment in the above mentioned article that he would "shuffle the deck" lyrically when he thought things were getting "too legitimate." This reminds me of the following comments included in the liner notes for the Stage Fright Remasters CD (written by Rob Bowman):

"One of the most signnificant differences was a radical shift in Robbie Robertson's approach to lyric writing. Up to this point, Robertson's aesthetic orientation was that of a great storyteller. Whether one thinks of enigmatic tales such as "The Weight," historical narratives such as "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" or fun-filled vignettes such as "Up On Cripple Creek," Robertson's songs were populated by invented characters who could be emotionally direct, open and/or charged within a given song but who were always several significant steps away from conveying anything overtly personal or autobiographical about Robertson or The Band. On Stage Fright, in direct contrast, the personal abounds. For someone who had always been uncomfortable with the confessional mode of songwriting, for Robertson, things had indeed changed."

"I never liked the approach of, 'Well, let me write a little song about what's happening to me today," affirms Robbie. "I was never big on that. I was always like, 'Let me tell you a story and in telling this story, I'm gonna reveal some things but you'll never know what I'm revealing and what exactly is the revealing part of it.' I always felt that was what I was most comfortable with, rather than, "I woke up this morning, had a cup of coffee, my life if so fascinating I feel I have to express it to you.' That embarrassed me! "But in Stage Fright all of a sudden this stuff is starting to creep out and I don't even want to let it out! I'm trying to hold it in and I couldn't."

This reminds me of another RR quote from a 1991 Rolling Stone article published upon the release of "Storyteller":

"I always felt a little embarrassed in my songwriting by a certain romanticsm, a certain sensuality. And now I feel like I can abandon this embarrassment; I am not fearful of this romanticsm anymore."

I forgot to mention during my last post that when I watched TLW DVD and saw the footage of "the lost jam" I felt like I had found a secret buried treasure! I love when RR comes out on stage with Stephen Stills and gets him a guitar so that he can play too. I thought you could really see the deep friendship between all of the musicians onstage.

According to the July 2002 issue of Mix magazine, RR is scheduled to receive the Les Paul award at the TEC (Technical Excellence and Creativity) Awards to be held in Los Angeles on October 7, 2002.

Dr. John is on the cover of this month's issue of Blues Revue. There's a nice interview too.

The current issue of Modern Drummer has an article about drummers who sing. There is a small picture of LH and a quote regarding his drumming/singing technique included w/the article.

There was an article regarding the new Solomon Burke CD in a recent issue of Mojo magazine. The following quote appeared:

Singer/songwriter Joe Henry, fresh from his critically acclaimed Scar album, lobbied hard for the production chair. "I thought somewhere between The Band's Music From Big Pink and Sam Cooke's Nightbeat album was the place we ought to be sonically."


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Thanks

Rosalind, Bassmanlee & Bill: Thanks.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: FYC as a lullaby

The really funny thing was you would turn it down, thinking he was fast asleep, and he would stir and say "Wouder." He was about 18 months to 2 when he would do this. But when he WAS sound asleep, if you just stepped into the room that was enough to wake him up.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Babies

Congratulations, Brien! It is a freaky time. We have two boys--one 10 who recently admitted that the Band were pretty good (though he prefers techno from any era) and one almost 8 who seems to have musical gifts (esp. rhythm) and who sings a pretty good Get Up Jake. It seems like yesterday they were cute little fat little babies. It is funny the musical one used to love LOUD Fine Young Cannibals for naptime. Go figure.

Of course my husband and I are just beginning a 10 week parenting class entitled "The Defiant Child" but don't worry about that yet. I'm sure Arlene won't be any trouble. My Dad always says I was a little angel, and my sister only misbehaved once.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Obsessively technical stuff- a SCROLL BY

SACD- I tried to find more about this format (in the light of the Stones releases). It claims to track the wave of the signal digitally in a way that’s akin to analogue so as to please us vinyl diehards. SACDs also have a normal CD signal too. Unfortunately, the consensus is that it’s the new Betamax (which remember was a superior system to VHS), so doomed to fail, and I’m told it’s the response to the expiration of the CD patent and royalties. I saw a Sony SACD / CD player for a reasonable £249, but it’s yet another box to find a place for. My main system probably has superior components within its ordinary CD player. I thought of changing my secondary system (as the Marantz CD player in it has dreadful error correction) but I suspect you won’t get the best out of SACD with just a 30 watt amp and bookshelf speakers. A non-starter I think, but they also say that a SACD / DVD-Audio dual player is (or will soon be) available, Is it all a con?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity (By way of Chicago)

Subject: "wolf tickets" and "fathers and daughters"

Fred__ I hope I didn't sound like a smart ass with my answer to your question "What's a wolf ticket"? My dad used to use those words, little phrases and slangs that I had never heard before. He was born and raised on a farm in Jacksonville, Illinois (a farming kind of town a little outside of Chicago.) I was born and partially raised on 138th street in Chicago. So BassmanLee is right, it is a black thing. I don't know the origins of the phrase. I took on some of my dad's habits after he died several years back.. just to feel closer to him in some way. I picked up his Camels and that old strong beer he used to swill, some of his mannerisms... and his talk. And he wasn't even much of a good dad...but I loved him anyway, and I miss him everyday

Brien, Every nuance of you will saturate your little girl. From day one till the time she's grown and out the door and for the rest of her life she will remember the very first man she ever loved, and she will act accordingly. I posted my memories of my father to remind you of how important fathers are to daughters. I am a prime example of one who needed something she never received. Spend every single moment you can with Her! Love her and charm her! She will remember every little thing you ever said to her and did for her.....yes she will my Friend.

Please, nobody make a snide derogatory "humming violin" remark! That was a difficult thing I just wrote down.

I agree with Serge! Folks in here should start treating the youngin's with more concern and respect. Afterall, they are the ones that are going to keep the Band alive long after all of us are to old to slap a key!


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Posted by:

molly girl

Location: the cotton field

Subject: congratulation

Brien and mrs. Sz: You don't know me, but I would like to congratulate you on the birth of Arlene Grace. such a beautiful name and I'm sure a beautiful darling girl.......love and blessings, molly


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Posted by:

muffy

Location: upstate, sorta'

Subject: sara d.'s post

As I recall, I think I heard somewhere that Rick preferred keeping his private life private. That's probably why there isn't much out there about it.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Elf hordes

I'm not buying it, but the other resident of my house is. I expect to spend the evening being very quiet. I am sure it will replace Mr. Hulot's Holiday as the choice for obsessive rewatching. I'll have to sneak Last Waltz rewatching in there some time.


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Posted by:

King Whistle

Location: West Berlin, CT

Subject: LPs

John from VT and everyone: I love to pick up LPs and have quite a few. Email if you'd like to talk about trading or something.

I used to buy records when I was a paperboy. I made $30 a week and spent it on 4 or 5 records. Now a make a bit more, and I feel like a rich man walking out of some used vinyl shops with 10 or 12 records for $30.

Peace be with everyone.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Hordes of The things

But the reason I was in Tower on August 6th is easily guessable. So off to watch the 10 minute "Two Towers" trailer. Who else bought it?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Norah Jones

Intrigued by the praise here (but never having heard her), I noticed a stack of Norah Jones singles in Tower today (Feelin' The Same Way) at £2.99 and thought, well, it's the cost of an elaborate coffee confection in BarSucks so let's find out what they're talking about. The single may be of interest- the bonus tracks are "I'll be your Baby Tonight" (unreleased) and a great "Ruler of My heart" from a collaboration with the Dirty Dozen Brass Band. I prefer the bonus tracks to the single actually - very reminiscent of Shawn Colvin. Anyway thanks for pointing me to her work.


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Posted by:

Dennis

Location: Beautiful, sunny and NOT HUMID West Saugerties, NY
Web: My link

Subject: GBer's, um, "might" want to check out....

While waiting my turn to download some old Band bootlegs from a site accessed through etree.org, took a peek at the columns on salon.com....and voila, above's a link to a writer some of you may (or may not) enjoy. For Band fans, the link's definitely worth the side trip.

Love him or hate him, the author's absolutely Band related. Is his column fact....or fiction?

BTW, as mentioned here earlier, I've been told that the site I'm waiting to use has that full Woodstock '69 performance as well as many '70's performances that were originally put out as bootlegs, then "cleaned up" and put online.

I just wish there was a way to pay a royalty (even a couple of bucks) but still have the access. Perhaps some beautiful day (like it is here today...just down the road from BP) it will all come together.


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Posted by:

Serge

Web: My link

Subject: Robbie's Site for Emily B.

EMILY BENNALY: Click on the link for Robbie's Website. Perhaps by now someone has Emailed you the info. But there it is. Pay no mind to the guy from NYC.


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Posted by:

Ann

Location: MO

Subject: huge favor from the gb

I know this subject was talked about awhile back but I need a refresher. What do I look for when buying a DVD player...one that will play TLW the way it's meant to be heard. My e-mail is achs59@yahoo.com . Thanks in advance.


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Brien Sz - Congratulations! Take a lot of pictures (I'm sure you will) and remember to ENJOY EVERY DAY because it seems long, but when you turn around you'll wonder where the time went. Seems like yesterday they put my baby daughter in my arms when she was born, now she's getting ready to start first grade! She's a real singer and actress, although not aware of The Band -- she loves the play "Annie" and sings all the songs from it. I am trying to get her into rock and roll, I trained her to harmonize with me on "Spanish Harlem"!


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Posted by:

Bill

Bob: Yes. The fortunes of Sudbury, Ontario (the Big Nickel) track those of Inco's mining operations there. I'm probably not the only Ontarian who thinks of those mines when I hear the Cowboy Junkies sing "We are miners ...". Nova Scotians might think of the old coal mines of Springhill and Cape Breton. On the music front, Springhill produced - in addition to Anne Murray - R&B singer Jackie Gabriel, who sang with Ronnie Hawkins for years in the mid-'60s (so with Richard Bell, John Till, Eugene Smith, Larry Atamanuik and others - maybe even Budy Cage). A more tenuous Hawks link is one of Canada's very best records using the Bo-Diddley beat, "Loadin' Coal" by a Halifax group, the Five Sounds.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Bill,

"they'll think no more of Inco"...a reference to the nickel mines???


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Posted by:

Bill

Fred: I wouldn't count myself as a Stompin' Tom Connors fan, but a copy of "Sudbury Saturday Night" is among my treasured 45s. For the great unwashed, the important lines are, approximately, "The girls are playing bingo and the boys are getting stinko / They'll think no more of Inco, on a Sudbury Saturday night". Stompin' Tom wrote/writes doggerel about very Canadian stuff, and would have been known to our guys, even if only through visits home. Much of his material would have had resonance with them - at the very least the songs about SW Ontario places like Tillsonburg (a ketchup capital). There must have been a song or two devoted to the tobacco country where Rick Danko grew up too.

My favourite bit of Connors' autobiography (volume 1) is a passing reference to being picked up hitchiking between Northern Ontario towns by singer Big John Little. Big John has had walk-on parts at various parts in the history of North American pop music in the '60s, and I've even mentioned him here a couple of times. A Forrest Gump kind of guy.

Jenny and Peter V: I've never owned the first Ferry LP, but I remember being impressed with his attempting "It's My Party" and "Hard Rain" on the same record. I thought both versions were kind of neat, but that, more importantly, Ferry was pointing out that both were just songs after all. We took ourselves much too seriously when it came to music and musicians at the time.

Peter: As Unbelievable spells "counselling", an activity that he no doubt knows well, with two Ls, he's probably Canadian. However, I'm not convinced he's the arch-critic you apparently suspect. Unbelievable's note, though illogical and contemptible, lacks the errors in grammar and spelling that we've come to expect from your crayoning chum.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: left coast

Subject: Wolf Tkts.

First off, Congrats! to Brien and family. All La Glory!

The only wolf tickets I want to see in here are tickets to the Howlin'Wolf Tribute featuring Levon Helm!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Brien – the start of wonderful days! Congratulations and enjoy it. The secret is to sing Band songs if you’re walking the floor at 3 a.m. – it must be my voice, but inexplicably my daughter grew up disliking The Band (though I had much more success with getting her interested in soul music),.

‘Between trains’ isn’t available on CD, but ‘Wonderful remark’ (also from ‘King of comedy’ and produced by RR with RR on guitar) is on ‘The Best of Van Morrison’.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Records

Tim,

buy yourself a record player... one of the best things I ever did was starting a record collection.. in good old VT I go to a few record shops (mostly in Burlington VT) and buy albums for a few bucks (mostly $1 albums) they sound great on a good system and for the money it is the best way to get a big collection of alot of different acts.. for example I have about 15 James Taylor albums if I wanted 1 CD your looking at $15 bucks.. because of the great prices on albums I got 15 James Taylor albums for $18 total...

If anyone is ever looking for some music that they can't find on CD give me a message on the GB and I may have it on record.. as of today I have a total of 1251 albums

Does any other Gber collect records and if so we should start a way to trade or tape hard to find music for each other.. just a thought


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Wolf Tickets

Fred - "Sellin' wolf tickets" is African-American slang roughly meaning talking trash, or making empty threats or promises. I read a good write-up on it's possible source, but can't locate it right now.

Andy R, great to see mention of Paul Siebel. A great songwriter - I've done Bride 1945, and Nashville Again (not necessarily well, mind you), the latter having been transcribed and forgotten, stuffed inside the LP sleeve for about 15 years before being rediscovered. Saw him once years ago at Godfrey Daniels in Bethlehem, PA. A great performer, too. Woodsmoke and Oranges has been re-issued in a way, appearing under the title "Paul Siebel" and including some tracks from his first album. Anyone know whether Paul still around and performing?


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Posted by:

Tim

Subject: Between Trains

Does anyone know if Between Trains is available on CD? I have it on vinyl but I dont even own a record player anymore. Thanks


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: "Isn't She Lovely"

Brien,

May your daughter be blessed with good health, peace and prosperity for all her days.

Best wishes to you and your family. I hope we'll see some pictures on your site real soon.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Nice review Dave Z.....Congrats to the new Ma and Pa...


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: friendship

cheers rosalind. isnt that what this gb is all about. friendship pure and simple. as lil said the other day this gb is something special. as a new gber of about 2 months standing this gb and the new friends iv made helped me recover from a serious illness from a few months back. love ,peace and good vibes. thats the name of the game bound together by a common bond of a love for a great band,THE BAND', and all good music and art. peace and love to you all. richie.


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Posted by:

roz

Fred__ You're not stupid.


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Posted by:

sara d.

Location: Canada

Subject: More info wanted about Rick Danko

Hi everyone. I've been doing some reading on The Band. Just finished "This Wheel's on Fire" by Levon Helm and loved it. Does anyone know where I can read more about Rick Danko's life? There seems to be a lot of vague years between the early days and his death. I love his music and want to find out more. Suggestions welcome.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Excuse my stupidity

What's a "wolf ticket"?


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: New borns

Brien Sz: we don't know each other, nevertheless best wishes on the birth of your daughter. You know there will be NO man who will be good enough for her when she's old enough to get married...unless he's extremely wealthy and shares his wealth with the future in-laws!!! Again best wishes


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Looks like somebody's been handin' out some wolf tickets in here. Better watch out pal, you'll end up in a wooden kimono!

Richie_ Thanks Buddy! It's good to know there are still some chivalrous men on the planet. (And I'm glad I impressed ya' by bein' in one of your favorite pictures.)


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Posted by:

Fred

What did I miss?!?!?!?! I go to sleep and miss stuff. Typical!! damn these times zones!!!!!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

What did he say?!?! Enquiring minds want to know.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: articles

I take that back.One.That Jan is just too thorough!


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: happy birthday

Just for that Brien, I will be contributing two new(1971)Rolling Stone articles on the Band and Butterfield.Congratulations!


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Posted by:

Why Wait?

JH, I say go ahead and report this guy to the university and teach him a lesson. He's done it before so he's out of second chances. I'm sure Syracuse U. would be interested to know how its faculty or students abuse thier computer priveleges. There's no call for that kind of stupidity. Thanks for all you hard work with this page. It's the best of its kind.


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Brien sz

Congratulations Brien Sz!


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: New Band Fan

Brien: How wonderful and what a beautiful name!


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Posted by:

twilight

Location: ann arbor

Subject: new addition

well done brien - congratulations. thanks for the good news.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: Newest Band Fan

Just wanted to let everyone know that the newest Band fan entered the world and into our lives Thursday. We have a little girl, Arlene Grace, named after my wife's mom who passed away from cancer 7 years ago. Everyone is happy, healthy, bewildered, blessed and tired. Wow, what an experience to witness your first child come into the world.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Herbie: Dylan's cracking up at the beginning of "115th Dream" because the rest of the band was supposed to kick into the song but didn't (the other voice is that of producer Tom Wilson).

As for the long straight hair and beard at Newport...at least one article I read said that they were fake...probably some weird kind of joke on Dylan's part. Maybe that he was only coming back to Newport "in disguise" after the events of 1965?


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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Yeah, why doesn't Robbin answer the fans who want to chan with him?


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Posted by:

EMILY BENALLY

Location: Acoma, New Mexico, Original from Shiprock, NM
Web: My link

Subject: WHY , ROBBIN NOT ANWERING FANS WHO WANTS TO CHAN WITH HIM.

Hi I am happy to contact someone out there, been wanting to talk to robbin. Just want to say that I enjoy your music so much, I actually sleep with the music,Dont know how to do this, so , help me send an example of your HTML, I also wanted to say that You should have some of the songs written out like Bob Dylan websit, whenever I am not sure of the words I simply look it up in his web site so I could sing it correctly. I love all of your member of The Band, and I really like to get a mail from all the members that will make me very happy. Thanks for this opportunity, Love Emily


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Posted by:

herbie hancock

Subject: dylan laugh song

anybody know what everybody is laughing about at the beginning of "bob dylans 115th dream" on "bringing it all back home"


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Guestbook abuse

Here we go again... one of todays GB entries has been censored. The poster's entire domain (sunyocc.edu - Onondaga Community College, Syracuse, NY) is temporarily denied access to the guestbook posting program.

This one was pretty bad. If it happens again, I'll contact the OCC administration and give them the IP address where it was posted from, so they can track it down.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Missouri Soupbone: I am speechless (and that takes alot). Your post was unbelievably cruel, directed at someone who lost a child in a very tragic way. I hope to hell you never know that kind of pain. Uncalled for cruelty in a public forum is about as low as it gets.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Blast

As I have come to learn "life is what happens while we're making other plans". After making the necessary arrangements for the trip to Woodstock I arrived home Friday evening to find I had been invited to attend the Broadway production "Blast" at the Forrest Theatre in Philadelphia. I can only say if the opportunity presents itself -- GO. An absolutely amazing show.

Missouri Soupbone, unless I'm missing the humor you intended ( and I'm hoping I did ), that last posting was among the cruelest I've seen here. And that's going some.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Woodstock '69 & The Last Waltz

M-J: You posed a good question. The Band's complete Woodstock set from 8/17/69 is available only on bootlegs. "Long Black Veil", "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever" and "The Weight" were officially released as part of the "Woodstock 25th Anniversary" box set. "The Weight" was also included on the "Woodstock Diary" compilation CD. "Ain't No More Cane On The Brazos" was included on the "Across The Great Divide" box set. Since Robbie Robertson is reportedly working on a new Band box set -- what better place than that to include the complete Woodstock set? With his connections, he could surely work out any licensing rights problem.

As to Blind Willie's earlier question about the correct order of songs at The Last Waltz -- doesn't the bootleg version contain the right sequence? If so, the song order is listed in the Tape Archive section elsewhere by Jan. I also recall that Levon went over the order of songs in his book.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dylan's new hairdo

Anybody see the photos of Dylan at Newport last weekend with the straight-hair? Looks rather bizarre for him to be ironing his hair. Could this, perhaps, be from his recent movie-role?


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Posted by:

Gonzalo Ruiz

Location: Mexico

Subject: Mexico's Fan

I am a Mexico's Fan and I found this beautiful page, I have seen The Last Waltz seven times and Have the old 33 RPM records of THE BAND. I'm tryin to buy all that old records in CD but here in Mexico I couldn't find STAGE FRIGHT.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Thanks Dave!

that guy was pretty funny as was Dylan...


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Posted by:

M-J

Location: Mtl, Qc, Ca
Web: My link

Subject: Maybe a dumb question, but...

This fellow: http://digibuilders.com/jobs/woodstock/index.html Says he is selling the complete masters of Woodstock; he includes a short snippet from the opening of the Band's performance, with the MC intro'ing them as they kick into 'Chest Fever'. My question: Is the Band's performance that day available anywhere? Might this be previously unavailable music?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Dylan's sidekick

John: Dylan's aide-de-camp in "Don't Look Back" is the multi-talented Bob Neuwirth. A singer/songwriter & artist, Mr. Neuwirth recently acted as producer of the wonderful "Down From The Mountain" documentary presenting the music from "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" This project reunited him with film-maker D.A. Pennebaker who filmed "Don't Look Back" and "Eat The Document". Mr. Neuwirth is currently acting as musical director/host for the "Down From The Mountain" tour.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Dylan

Sounds like the Woodstock Playhouse was a great time... I am pissed I missed it... but oh well there will be others..

I was watching the TRIO Channel and they had the Bob Dylan documentary (I can't remember the name... Bring it home.. maybe??) anyway who was the guy who was always hanging around Dylan durring the show.. He was a young guy (Dylan's age at the time) and was pretty funny.. He handed the lady who invited Dylan to stay at her house a Harmonica and he was bustin on Joan Baez quite a bit???? I love the part when Dylan was all pissed off about a glass being thrown out of the window on the street and Dylan and Donavan (I think) almost got into a fight... what a great show

Richie Havens this week 8-10-02 Bradford VT...8-16-02 John Hammond in Saratoga NY then Johnathan Edwards 8-17-02 back to Bradford VT........ can't wait!!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Brown Album

Rollie -- I'll have to pull out my copies later and check on the serial numbers. Which reminds me of the painful fact that the two-track master for the Brown Album either can't be found or, for some other reason, is unavailable. This problem has plagued several attempts to release a high quality reissue.

For years the two-track stereo master for Dylan's "Blonde On Blonde" was also thought to have been lost. Recently though, reissue producer & archivist Bob Irwin revealed that the master wasn't really lost in that it couldn't be found, but rather it was so worn out from being utilized for subsequent pressings over the years that it no longer could be used.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: Mono Lake

Subject: live music

Thanks all for the show reviews.Sounds like Woodstock was the one to be at this past weekend!

Looks like GB'rs are out doing their part to support the right musicians.

And I thought me and Yoli were having fun at Delbert McClinton/Theresa James Saturday night under the stars in Genoa,Nevada.

I've got to make a trip out east for JWB,Garth, and BB's this year or else!


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Posted by:

Thalia

Subject: Any Band-fans under 20?

I'm a 14-year-old girl (Waaah! I missed the best years!), and I'm looking for fans of The Band who are somewhere around my age--girls or boys. I just wanna chat about TB, and maybe other 'oldies', too. Email me if you fit the bill!


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Posted by:

c436horse

Location: Mass., US of A

Subject: Richard Manuel fans on Yahoo!...

There is a Yahoo! group for Richard with only 16 members--we need more! Please come join! BTW, there's also one for The Band.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: green pressings

AAAAAhhh Dave Powell!That would explain it.I've never even seen a black copy of the Brown album.What serial numbers are associated with that one? I'm back in the hunt!(shit!)


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Woodstock/Tracy

Lil, Dave Z, Rick S, Butch: All of you have a unique way with details. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Tracy Ahrooo: Thanks so much! I love your business card...very cool.


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Posted by:

THE MISSOURI SOUPBONE

Location: The Lake

Content deleted. No more of this, please. --jh


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: Live Music

As I began to enter Sat nights concert with Bruce Hornsby, on WFUV the Staples are doing there Weight thing. I am now visualizing, so give me a moment,,,,,,,, ok, Pops now and then Ricky, and back to Levon, and as Mavis sayed, Beautiful.

Ok back to the Concert with Bruce Hornsby and his band. Bruce was so relaxed, so confident and so into the whole Chastain surrounding. No opener,except had his friend Ron Springs, who use to play with the Dallas Cowboys, act as the MC, and he was a great warmup. Did some of his standards, and did some new stuff too, no Band nor Dead, which was a little disappointing, but did do Liza Jane, so guess you could call that a cover. As far as requests, seems his father in law was there, and he did play his requests, but others, I don't think so. The crowning point of the night, he asks all the Women in the audience to come on stage, well, they came, about 1,000 of em, and even my wife was dancing to the beat, a real nice and unique treat.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Whispering Pines

The Spin UK mail order price is £19.99 - with postage within the UK it came to £20.49 - and believe me, worth every penny.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: this & that

Thanks for all the road reviews from the Woodstock show -- sounds like a great night of music. Speaking of Woodstock, I watched the "Woodstock Diary" documentary on TRIO Saturday. This is a fine behind the scenes look at the Woodstock '69 Festival with lots of performance clips that weren't included in the original film, including "The Weight" from The Band. I'd forgotten that Joan Baez had performed a cover of Gram Parsons' & Roger McGuinn's "Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man". She butchered the lyrics to that song just like she did with "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down".

Peter: ABKCO has messed up the Stones catalog over the years even more than EMI/Capitol has done with that of the Beatles. Don't even get me started on the mono vs. stereo debate. Another problem is that the British and U.S. versions of the albums were different which brings to mind the "Hey Jude a/k/a The Beatles Again" release. That album I believe was only released in the U.S. It was mostly a hodge-podge greatist hits package containing some previously released stuff in stereo and some songs that hadn't appeared on albums.

Rollie: I guess I not the only one with a vinyl retentive problem. It sounds as if you've gotten a hold of some bad pressings of the "Brown Album". I have several copies of that LP and all of them sound fine. The original Capitol pressing has the black label with rainbow-colored ring. Later pressings had green and then red labels.

News of the upcoming Stones SACD releases is yet another example of the latest, confusing format war foisted upon the consumers by the recording industry. Just when you think you've replaced your LP collection with CDs, the recording industry introduces two competing, higher-resolution/surround sound digital formats, SACD & DVD-A that require new & expensive hardware. Sony and others are going the SACD route while WEA and EMI are using DVD-A. Does this remind you of the old Betamax debacle?

Has anyone heard the DVD-A version of "The Last Waltz"? By the way, as I mentioned before, EMI is advertising the upcoming release of a DVD-A version of "Music From Big Pink" (along with "Pet Sounds" and "Surf's Up" from the Beach Boys), but no release date has been announced.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Whispering Pines

I checked yesterday and the new Richard Manuel CD is now available on Amazon.com. It is a hefty $41.00, but at least it is far easier than faxing Japan, etc. I'll just have to save my pennies.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Review

Thank you Dave Z. for giving us such a great impression of the show. I hope Jan adds this to the archive concert reviews.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Woodstock Playhouse

Subject: Vacation

OK, I’m back… Sunday I freaked out from over exposure and exhaustion… what a show at the Woodstock Playhouse… The Jim Weider Band blew me away!!! I started out sitting with Lil and her kids… and after three songs I realized I had to pace myself or I wasn’t gonna last… more on JWB later… now to the end of the show in TLW fashion… Garth was introduced by Maud and for this I was sitting straightaway and up as high as I could get… so I could see the Woodstock stars… Maud comes on dressed in dharma wear with black sunglasses on… sitting in front of her black Apple laptop… staring straight ahead… looking like a blind woman sitting on her porch… the stage is fully lit… almost too bright for a single person to stand… my thoughts drift to my blind canoeing partner momentarily when all of a sudden she bursts into scat… leading to Matchbox… strong powerful vocals… waking us up with lyrics that send us on our way… which for me is going to soon be the third leg of my vacation into Canada… she’s singing about this small matchbox suitcase… like the one I lost in Atlanta… a kid’s suitcase… it had all my Band CDs in it… and her singing is telling me I am not gonna need those on this trip… and then very dramatically she slides into introducing the piano man… and Garth ambles onstage… he’s carrying a big ole broom… like a janitor… and he forcefully shoves it under his keyboard… and adjusts it so… when it is just not right… then he kicks back his chair… drops to his knees (Ouch!)… and just fuckin’ jams… Maud stares straight away… it’s like she’s now sitting in front of a big ole vouagers canoe… Garth is kickin’ and swatting moths… I follow one upwards… to the over head lights… where they swirl… and appear to burst into flames and merge with the Woodstock stars… a beautiful outdoor night… I am thinking this is Genetic Method… but it turns into Saga or Cyrus and Mullgrew… eventually Garth s standing playing sax like he is now in back of Maud’s canoe… and there’s full Crowmatix backing… just awesome… and to think moments before there was a longish delay… hilarious to me because some people must have thought the show was over and they were getting up and leaving… I saw Butch shake his head and say something like “Idiots, we are just starting.”… Rumors were flying that Garth slept briefly before the start ala Jerry West before a big scoring game… someone said he warmed up to an audience consisting of a truck tire… I just saw him pacing… Next song was a great cover of I Just Wanna Make Love To You… powerful vocals by Maud… I overheard at least three people say they didn’t know she sang so well… Lil just shook her head… and Garth torn it up… way better for me than the live Van cover… Van shoulda been there… he could have sat way up high with me… I read mention that his house was for sale… well, Maud sold him out on vocals… I got a lucky chance to talk to Maud before the show thanks to Lil… and felt like a person not ready to receive knowledge… no thumbs so-and—so… and some guy who Janis Joplin later utilized his vocal mannerisms… but I did remember mention of upcoming Garth shows in September that one shouldn’t miss… we also talked of kids and at one point during the show I observed (did not stare) breast feeding as well as some father who was hugging his boy and at the same time clicking his son’s heels together to the beat of the music… and it was cool because the kid was wearing those tennis shoes with the lights that blink… and they were blinking to the music… Anyway, that was just the Garth & Maud part of the show… it was cool to see Garth conducting at times… and wander around amongst the different players during a number… and again, I noticed that when Garth plays everyone in the band watches him… great stuff!!!…

Before Garth was Professor Louie & the Crowmatix… The highlight for me was when this truck alarm goes off right as Louie starts a song… and without missing a beat he uses it and plays along until they can turn it off… and it turns out it was Garth’s truck… Louie then eases into a great rendition of The Great Beyond… just priceless!!!! I especially liked Forever Young and You Gotta Serve Someone… Miss Marie sang beautifully… and I luv it when Marie, Louie and Mike Dunn all sing a song… and I got my fix for Marie shrieks during the Scarlet Begonias jam… which reminds me… earlier in the day I took my kids to the T-Bone & Camp Muckalucka show… where at one point T-Bone gave beach balls to all the kids… and we were all hitting them up and around… and T-Bone said it was like the 60’s all over again… anyway, where were you Dead Heads… oh that’s right you had your own show… Scarlet Begonias was great with DeMicco on guitar… I like the new guy too, Michael F… loved his vocals on the Dylan cover… and he gives a calming presence that fits well with Dunn… who by the way can play on my basketball team anytime… geez he’s tall… at one point during the combined group portion of the gig, he snuck up behind Randy and stole his mic and sung the Crazy Chester verse of the Weight… Maud soulfully sang the Luke lyric… The combined thing was cool too… I think G-man liked it best… at one point during a Don’t Do It jam… everybody was in harmony like a thousand loud insects… I know, sounds bad but it was great stuff…Some cool guests too… that Srendi fellow on harp… and did I imagine I saw Levon drive up and hide in the audience crowd? Maybe… maybe not?… I would have liked to thanked him in person for coming to Mpls last year…

First off was JWB… and I really came hear to see them… I was not to be disappointed… It’s like Jim is so casual with a Hi… a Hawaiian shirt… and a joke about the West Indies virus… and then he just scorches us from the get go… it’s like one of those military jets that takeoff straight up… then blow away off to duty… Life Is A Carnival was awesome… I think Randy dedicated it with prayers to Ronnie Hawkins and Paul Burlison… or maybe that was another tune… anyway, there were lots of folks wearing black T-shirts with the white hawk on it… Randy really drives this train too… Back to the start, it was Look Who’s Talkin’ Now off the new CD… and it was a killer… the meaning of the sparse lyrics really hit you powerfully after you have seen this number live… the Blues Solution or Situation was great!!!!… so was Remedy… and I loved Alan’s high vocals on Many Rivers To Cross… they don’t tell you that everybody in this band plays great… the keyboard player just jammed… Wandering Soul really did it for me too… Randy shakes something… and I couldn’t tell what it was… it makes a cool sound… it looked like he had a mic or wires coming out the bottom of some cylinder of some sort… reminds me of the kids toy play telephone… or a kalidescope that makes music… I loved Freedom Walk too… my fav off the new CD… It also took me a while to realize they had a guest on guitar… some guy named Sid McGinnis from Letterman… I’m sitting here thinking, God, Jim jams and when he takes a rest… this Sid guy steps right in…. and continues to blow us away… and the charisma of both of these guys together is high… The JWB is the real thing… Now I know why G-Man is a road dog… Shit, he brought his 80 year old mother… after the first song I turned to Lil and said “This guy has a way better job than we do.”…

Well, I got way longer than I wanted too… I’ve met so many nice people in Woodstock… You NYers really know how to treat visitors well… Thanks for the Band T-Shirt Randy and thanks for the guitar pick Jim!!! It was great chatting with you guys… and thanks Maud for taking the time to talk (and hum too, right Lil) with me and introduce me to your husband… you people are too gracious… God bless you… Finally, it was a pleasure to finally meet G-Man & Donna, Rick S & Pat, and their merry band of Road Warriors… Glad you made it home safe Rick… I hope to catch Ruby and Donna from PA next time… Hugs to Lil and her kids… Butch you are the best!!!! thanks for the CD Frankie… you guys are too much… anybody comes to MN please look me up so I can return favors… I got one last enjoyable stop this morning for breakfast with Lil, John D. and his wife… and then it’s off for Canada… don’t have my Band CDs darn it… but I got Crowmatix, Garth and JWB ones… Take care… And what a show!!!!

P.S. – What a show!!!


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Bad Co.

Well every time I think I have committed an error of taste, the GB makes me feel better. Now I know who is responsible for the sexy drumming on Young Blood--they did that song so well. I may have to pick up some Bad Company--had Bad Company and Run (Running?) with the Pack in high school but must have lost them somewhere. Probably sold them when I was broke in school. I never knew they were a British band until recently when I heard them interviewed on a local radio station--they came off pretty funny and good-natured. To me they had a kind of American sound for some reason.

C'mon Everybody and Should I Stay or Should I Go are two all time favorites--whoever is picking those tunes for Levi's commercials has a good ear.


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Posted by:

mojo360

Subject: Garth in Scituate Mass

Garth & the Crowmatix played Scituate Heritage Days yesterday--the town billed it as "The Band (Garth Hudson & New Members)" thought that was pretty funny.........it was in all the papers that way


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: norah jones

dear rosalind. if somebody slagged you off ,rest assured id be there like sir lancelot to your defence. re. norah jones a friend of mine was singing her praises in the pub yesterday. he compared her to rickie lee jones. he also said she was the daughter of ravi shanker. is this true.? if it is, thats one hell of a pedigree.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: bad co.

dear jenny. bad co. fantastic. nothing to feel guilty about. the first 3 albums bad co;straight shooter;run with the pack are classics.the last 3 paul rogers bad co. albums are not bad. theres an excellent 25 year anthology album available with 4 brand new tracks.theres also a new live album out. avoid the non paul rogers bad co. albums like the plague. total crap. paul rogers is the man! brian howe most certainly wasnt.


Entered at Mon Aug 5 10:44:22 CEST 2002 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Guilty...as charged, but I plead ignornace

Guilty pleasure: anything by Stompin' Tom Connors & Dmitri Shostakovich's The Song of the Counterplan (I'm sure if Shostakovich was alive he'd do a recording dedicated to Stompin' Tom' s oeuvre)

going on a little family trip (two days at a seaside resort) so I'm busy making a Band tape to play in the car hopefully my daughter will allow me to play it! she has commandeered the car stereo (fortunately I still am in possesion of the stereo in the house, but not for longer I'm afraid) Actually I'm thinking of playing the cassette when she'll fall sleep during the drive...subliminally getting her to stop listening to Japanese bubble gum pop at its worst and appreciate a higher quality of music. On the right road, so to speak, as we attempted to make tie dye T-shirts today. A bit of father-daughter bonding. And a bit of a mess (I hadn't done this since I was in grade 4 and I wasn't good at it then..I'm still not.)


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Richard Manuel CD in UK / more on the Stones

Ah! At last, between the offers of cheaper computer ink and MegaSuperPlatinumGold cards from “banks” I’ve never heard of was the packet with the Richard Manuel CD in. Spin mail order of Newcastle feature The Band on the enclosed newsletter, and also advertise Jim Weider Band ‘Remedy’ (which I ordered at the same time- not here today, maybe tomorrow), the remastered Rick Danko 1977, One More Shot and the Memorial edition, so at last they’re all available in the UK (website is www.spincds.com).

They also list the forthcomong 22 Rolling Stones dual layer SACDs /CDs. They say they’re November in the UK, but late August in the USA (another dumb idea). Also only three of the original unbutchered British releases are due – Out of Our Heads, Aftermath and Between the Buttons. The one I was REALLY after isn’t there, which is ‘The Rolling Stones #2’ – the US added the British EP ‘4 X 5’ and a B-side or two and got two albums instead (12 x 5, Now). I think that ‘England’s Newest Hitmakers’ is the same content as ‘The Rolling Stones’ – the first one here. ‘RS #2’ was lost to an ex-girlfriend in 1965. She also had The Times They are A Changing, and the Eddie Cochran Memorial Album, so I can't fault her musical taste, except that she made me sit through aWalker Brothers concert- they were probably OK, but it was basically a girls screaming scene. The Cochran is now about £70 - £80 in second hand stores. My attempts to replace”#2” have been frustrating. I bought a copy at a Record Fair and it turned out to have ‘Aftermath’ inside. Never found the dealer again, but someone else has an Aftermath sleeve with #2 inside. I checked the vinyl for scratches too and didn’t notice. Then the price seemed to shoot up. I got another, but it’s stereo (and most of the originals including the first mix were mono). But I’d bet that unlike The Beatles, the new ones are all stereo.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Viney sure has a lot of friends. I just wish that everyone who's been shit on in here over the years for no reason got the same defense, but we all know that ain't the case.

Someone mentioned Norah Jones. She is a wonderful artist. I almost fell off my chair when I first heard her.


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: Simon Kirke

As well as a great drummer Simon Kirke is a great singer,check out Ringo`s All Starr Anthology.Kirke does vocals on All Right Now & Shooting Star. During the Brian Howe era of Bad Co. he was usually given one track on each record to sing, 100 Miles off the Holy Water cd being a fav of mine....... Guilty pleasures, Hall & Oates- She`s Gone, I can picture Rick & Richard dueting on it.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Love Bad Co. also Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Skynard, Mountain, ZZ, Chicago, more for their rocking horn tunes, hey if its toe tapping music its no guilty pleasure, its just pleasure...


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Supporting Peter

Whats with Unbelievable?? if your not interested in a particular post or do not care for the poster, SCROLL on By, no one is holding a gun to anyones head to read a fricking post.. we all get scrolled on by I'm sure, but to rip someone just because you don't care for how many times a day he posts is pretty rude..Peter, I appreciate the information you share and your writting ability is unsurpassed...


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Woodstock Night

Dave Z., I guess I lost my job as official greeter at the Artemis Diner. Good to see Dave Z., G-Man, G-Mamma, Donna (from Buffalo), Diamond Lil (nice kids), Frankie Spielberg, Jack and Pat, Stu and Marcia at the Woodstock Playhouse. Great show. The Jim Weider Band tight as ever and in completed control (except for the time Jim accidentally unplugged his guitar chord). As Mama G said Jim Weider plays from the heart (and soul). Albert knocked out the crowd with his bass playing and his vocal on "Many Rivers to Cross." Randy great on drums as usual and his "Blues Condition" was best ever- this should be a national hit. Dan contributed on keys, great solo on "The Weight" jam. Jim Weider played a great "Freedom Walk." The Crowmatix were great also- "The Great Beyond", "Over The Edge", "Scarlet Begonias", "Mr. Luck" and "Last Train" are personal favorites. Garth and Maud contributed a set (Garth sounds as great as ever and his humor is unmatched). Thanks to all the performers. Nice playhouse.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: …in good company

Bad Company: Paul Rodgers on lead vocals and Simon Kirke on drums, both ex-Free. Simon Kirke is an extremely highly-rated session drummer, one of those people who are on more records than they could hope to remember. This all links nicely into an album – “Originals” (Columbia) which are the Levis ads songs – Bad Company ‘Can’t Get Enough’, Irma Franklin, ‘Piece of My Heart’ and Muddy Waters ‘Mannish Boy’ have all been discussed this week. Then it was said that there were a couple of standouts on John Lennon’s ‘Rock & Roll’ – one of them, ‘Stand By Me’ is on the same album in the original Ben E. King version. Add Marvin Gaye’s ‘I Heard it Through the Grapevine’, Sam Cook on ‘Wonderful World’, Steve Miller on ‘The Joker’, The Clash ‘Should I Stay or Should I Go’, Eddie Cochran ‘Cmon Everybody’- one hell of an in car entertainment classic in fact. I think the sound is a bit muddy (rather than Muddy) – there are better remasters around of much of it, but it’s a solid compilation.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Bad Company

Another thing I love about Bad Company is the drumming, though I don't even know the drummer's name or what his stature in the world o'drummers is.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: peter viney

god speed peter viney. post till your hearts content. love and peace. richie the brit.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Guilty Pleasures/the GB

Tell me is this a guilty pleasure or not (I think it is): BAD COMPANY. I love the sound of Bad Company, esp. the lead singer's voice, though I get the impression no one takes them seriously.

The guest book is a wonderful thing because of people like Mr. Viney who have so much info packed in their heads. I learn so much here--I love music but I am not nearly as knowledgeable as many other contributors. Plus Mr. Viney is often pretty hilarious (as are many other GBers) which keeps the GB good for a laugh when you need one. As Lil said recently, it is (generally) a great thing.


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Posted by:

Ape Shit

Location: Nunna yer darn beezwax!

Subject: The Band

Just wanted to pop in and say I did The Band.. Sincerely Yours, APE SHIT


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: rando, weider & G-man's mother

so last night,, rando, jimmy & albert & dan took the Woodstock Playhouse by storm,,,,,,what a tight band,,, they had sid mcguiness from Letterman's showband & they all kicked as one unit,,,

amazing to watch these masters of their craft,,,\,n they built the show on the frame of the JWB new record,, "Remedy",, & like all great bands,, took the studio versions & gave tem new live infusions of energy, rhythm & harmonies,,,,,,,,

Remedy has so many great tunes,, a must for the CD rack,, jimmy & randy have crafted another musical bag of twists & turns,,, such a comfort zone they work in, from all those years together,, & the respect they get from the guests on the record,, Mavis Staples, & so many others,, but it is the heart of that band & record,, Jimmy & Randy that drive it, !!!!!!!

they start with a root of a song & in time & with Ferazza's great ears & engineering,, they craft a finished work that is tight , focussed, & heavy on the groove,,,

a must !! for any true Band or music Fan, !!!!!!!!

Rando is such a great drummer, & a singing drummer to boot,,, BLUES CONDITION can be a hit in any market, he sings the s**t out of it,, & keeps that driving beat he has perfected, with Albert ridin w/him,,, Dan adds such melodic twists & turns,,he brings something different to the piano parts from the record,,,

& even tho i aint a guitar guy,,, jimmy & sid are made to play together,, it was seamless,,, ya couldnt tell where one ended & the other began,, like duane & dickey in the early days,, or duane & eric on Layla,,, they pushed each other & the rest of the JWB fed off of it,, ,, it was so powerful,,,

hangin w/G-Man's mom, & totally insulting her son WITH HER JOINING IN,, was a high light for me,, & Dave Z the new Road Warrior,, Great to see you, & Frankie, ---- i told the boss what ya said,, he roared,,, Turkey-man & the Cooker, & i know wigo was there, just never found him,,,

woiulda been a perfect night but i lost my cell phone, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,,,,,,

a great night of music,,, from the JWB,,,

ill let someone else add to this for the Garthy-poo set,,,

me ??? i had a brownie blast of a night,,, TOO MUCH FUN !!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Viney..

I'm posting totally in support of Mr. Peter Viney. You people should appreciate his incredible and wide-ranging knowledge of most things musical and Band-related stuff.

I have had many e-mail conversations with Peter and can appreciate his wonderful ability to write and communicate to people.

I think that Peter should post ALL the things that he wants to, as frequently as he wants to.

There is usually more information and content in a paragrah of his than in most of the other posts I have read on this site in several years!!!!!

Keep up the great work Peter....I will always look forward to your observations.

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Old Town Bill

Location: Chicago
Web: My link

Subject: once in a lifetime

although I am an infrequent poster to this Guestbook, you regulars know that I greatly enjoy and admire the volumes of discourse and information that scream through these pages, week after week. It is a very settling activity, to catch up with your various lives.

also, thanks for the nice comments about the music posted from the "Last Waltz" tribute in Chicago last November, at the Old Town School of Folk Music. Jan, that CD of the full performance will be on its way soon -- you'll have it before the 26th anniversary, I promise!

So, The Band Ensemble at OTS has more or less been discontinued as a class, with most of the members (myself and the drummer excluded) rehearsing and playing in a classic rock cover band called Mystery Train. They are quite faithful musically (if a little lacking vocally) in the music of the Allman Bros, Stones, Dylan, Beatles, Clapton, etc., and did a great job at a local festival for which I booked all the music (the Artists of the Wall Festival -- see Web site above).

So I joined up with the OTS Floating Rock Ensemble, which was going to learn and perform Wilco's debut album, "A.M." Playing drums and singing, with two bass players, a mandolin player, a pedal steel player, a harp player, and a dozen guys playing acousting guitar. We had a blast and delivered those songs admirably.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, when the "real" Wilco's management contacted OTS about our group playing at a party for the band following the Chicago premiere of the Sam Jones-directed documentary, "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart." They only wanted a small group, however, so we narrowed it down to nine key players and our teacher, Steve Levitt.

Sam Jones also had requested that we learn at least a couple "new" songs from Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, so our three practices leading up to the party focused on a few of those songs, plus a couple of Uncle Tupleo songs and "California Stars" from the first Woody Guthrie album. Since I had played with several of these guys in the Gram Parsons ensemble, we also practiced "100 Years," a song that Jeff Tweedy has performed in his solo concerts.

The night arrived, and we all met up at the Hideout for the film party. Our names were on the guest list, and everything . . . a few Chicago notables were already in attendance, including Sally Timms and Deanna Veragonna. At midnight were summoned to get our stuff on stage, just after torrid sets by the Sadies and Jon Langford. People from the "movie party" were there, and people from the earlier show could stay, too.

At 12:30 a.m. we started an hour-long set that went this way: I am trying to break your heart; Box full of letters; Monday; New Madrid; Casino Queen; I Must be High; War on War; Passenger Side; Screen Door; California Stars and Pot Kettle Black. (Wilco had two shows in Chicago this weekend, and today I received an e-mail from a bandmate that saw him over the weekend and quoted Wilco drummer Glen Kotche thusly: "Did you notice tonight how I stole your drum part on Pot Kettle Black? Bill's idea of staying on the bass drum during the "No I'm not, gonna get caught" part was great and I'm now totally ripping him off!!!")."

Well, I thought we sounded pretty damn good, and the crowd was clearly enjoying our efforts.

At that point, Tweedy, Bach, Kotche and Stirratt joined our little "Wilco cover band" (affectionately known as Roger) on stage, commandeered our instruments, and led us through a five-song set that included: I'm the man who loves you; Shot in the arm; Outtasite (outtamind); I'm Always in Love and Via Chicago. Glen Kotche was so cool, insisting that I get back behind the drums for the final song of the evening.

That was it; within five minutes after 2 a.m., the Hideout was deserted, except for the 10 of us players who needed to get our gear loaded up and find our way back home in the wee hours of the morning. An experience in itself for us "amateur" musicians who normally must first tend to real jobs, families and other assorted responsibilities before rewarding ourselves with the camraderie of music.

Anyway, it was an unforgettable experience (and some of you will know that I've had more than a few of those), and I couldn't think of a better group of people with whom to share it.

Happy belated birthday, Garth! I hope to get you to Chicago before too long to work your mojo on our being-restored church pipe organ (it's already an awesome machine and the additional work planned will make it sound even better).

peace to all --

bp


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Posted by:

Markku (Quos)

Location: Finland/Sweden
Web: My link

"Last Waltz - Correct order of songs", these are listed at the TapeArchive (at the end of this page: http://theband.hiof.no/tape_archive/band_tapes_70s.html).

Have you guys heard of Norah Jones? An absolutely fantastic new artist, she also does a lovely version of "Bessie Smith" at her live concerts.


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Posted by:

Kay

Location: out west

Subject: anonymous posts

cowardly, exactly....of course it's amusing to you, having all the information while others have less. But they do know one thing about you


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Ferry / Garth / Weider's Band

Bryan Ferry and Band connection?....Ferry mixed his TAXI recording in Bearsville Studios, Woodstock, New York (The only song that really stands out for me on this recording) as did The Band when they recorded CAHOOTS.

I have seen Ferry perform many times but the first time I saw him perform was with Chris Spedding....Dylan also recorded a cover of LET'S STICK TOGETHER as did Ferry.....Ferry's version is better and so good that when I saw him perform music from the 30's....All of us were elated when he treated us to this upbeat song....:-D.....Best concert for me was when Bryan Ferry performed his Roxy Music songs along with his solo recordings.....It was obvious in the audience who knew his complete catalogue and who only knew the more accessible AVALON......But I can't get enough of Yanick Etienne's background vocals in AVALON!!!!.....She was simply sent from "heaven"!....Bryan stated that she was hired just for that one song and I was lucky enough to see her perform this song with the band!..........Unfortunately I missed the reunion tour with Roxy Music last summer for after the Levon and The Barn Burners show in Toronto I was off to NYC and they were playing two days later.....(Glad to hear Amy is performing with the band again......Levon and Amy were the ones I watched intently)......Anyway, it would have been extra special to hear Andy MacKay play sax with Roxy Music.

Great to hear Garth, Maud, Crowmatix, Jim Weider's Band and the cast of amazing musicians are seen by more Band fans!....If I can get it together I am going to see Garth, gang, and Jim Weider's Band again next weekend in NYC since both will be performing the same weekend....I really enjoyed Weider's Band's version of LIFE IS A CARNIVAL.....more funky!.....In any case.........I couldn't believe on my Weider tape that "Deepest Cut"?.......got cut off!....I was not amused...:-(


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: peter viney

dear peter. bollocks to the ignorant geezer who slagged you off. keep on posting till your hearts content. im off out now to a sunday night quiz night at my local pub. £200 jackpot. wish me luck.band connection. the interior of the pub is as brown as the band's second album. flimsy, but what the hell!peace.richie


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Kansas City

Here I am again. Inspired by Rollie’s obvious dedication to the Woodstock Album, I had it playing in the background a lot of the day, which brings me to a thread we had a few months ago, that is musical guilty pleasures- stuff that’s supposed to be uncool but you actually like. Yet another of mine is Brenda Lee’s “All The Way” album from 1961, and after listening to Muddy’s fine version of “Kansas City” (with great harmonica and organ) I remembered that of all the many versions I’ve heard (and have got), my favourite version is Brenda Lee’s. I was wondering about Band connections, and there is one. Her version was with an orchestra and chorus arranged and conducted by Owen Bradley who produced Levon’s Blue Moon of Kentucky and played on Ronnie Hawkins Sings Hank Williams. I don’t feel quite so guilty now. It’s her shout on ‘If I have to walk, I’ll get there all the same …” I think.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Cowardly posts

Just want to throw my support to Peter Viney and any other GB posters who get attacked by cowardly, anonymous individuals.


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Posted by:

kramedogsdish

Location: not your town S.D.!

Subject: the UNBELIEVABLE mess

My my, if it ain't Mr. Miserable who loves to pick on Peter V. Jeez man, don't you have anything else to do? You call Pete pathetic when you run the gamut of boring, childish, to whining and sniveling. Get a life yourself and stop expecting people to treat you like they have to kiss your ass simply because you gave this site some of your pictures. Why don't you talk about The Band sometime. If you're SO close to them, why not? Oh, or is that you feel that the rest of the fans are unworthy because they don't pucker up to you? Go back to school and learn some manners before you spout your holier than though bullshit you venomous twit.

kramedogsdish


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: woodstock under the stars

What an amazing show I had the pleasure to see last night, under the stars at the Woodstock Playhouse. The heat and humidity of the day settled down to a slight, cool breeze as The JWB took the stage shortly after 8pm.. and they rocked! I loved "Wandering Soul" and "Freedom Walk", both from their new 'Remedy' cd, and of course the Band tune of the same name.."Remedy" was wonderful! My 18 year old son had never seen these guys before..and I think he's now a fan for life. He talked about them all the way home!
Next up was The Crowmatix.. who seem to get better and better and better each time I see them (if that's possible!)I was very happy to hear one of my very favorites, "The Great Beyond", and the bitter-sweet "Don't Wait" brought tears to my eyes. It was wonderful to see Mike Demicco up there with them last night.. and Gary Burke (AKA Mr. Lucky :-) absolutely blew me away on those drums!
And lastly.. after the second intermission,Maud Hudson sat alone on the stage, belting out a very bluesy a cappella "intro" for Garth. And out he came! They did "Cyrus and Mulgrew" from their "Sea to the North" cd, and Maud did a beautiful rendition of "I just want to make love to you". You done us proud Maud!
Joined back onstage by the Cromatix, the JWB and Sredni Vollmer for the finale.. the place was rockin! An incredible version of "Don't Do it" and "The Weight" were the highlights for me. It was one of those nights of music that you just don't want to see end.
As always, it was a pleasure to see old friends and familiar faces. Stu and Marcia, Butch, Rick and Pat, The G-man himself, Tom and Cathy..and to finally meet Dave Z, who may have gotten the award for travelling the farthest for the show (and didn't bring any snow with him! :-) b\ Thanks to everyone who made last night so very special. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Hi Serge / Rolling Stones

Thanks for your advice and good wishes, unbelievable, my dear old pal. Can't you think of any more literary pseudonyms? And you have to stop telling me to 'Get a life' as it's become a signature.

BTW- the new Stones releases will have no bonus tracks, but will be Super Audio (SACDs), with an ordinary CD track and will play on ordinary machines.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Rich(on vinyl)

I have four brown albums because I was trying to find a decent one!As for Muddy at Woodstock,you can't have too many of those! Worth more than gold!


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Woodstock Playhouse

Just back from the Weider/Crowmatix/Hudsons and Guests show... Best concert I ever... (Boom. My head hits the floor. It had to happen. Earlier at the late night diner while hanging with an 80 year old Road Warrior, a similar incident claims yet another contestant. Boom. Rick S not mixing with food to well after the show. Sorry Rick, G-Man put me up to it. Hope all is well in the morning. Again, it had to happen. The last thing I remember on the way down is seeing my silver Apple laptop... but oddly, the one I'm looking at briefly appears to be black? Then I drift off into a dream... More tomorrow. Much more.)


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: ...stumbling on to the heart of Saturday night

I don't really have anything to say. I can't even think of a joke that anyone here might find a little amusing. I just have the night off. I hate that.

Post your as off Peter. Disregard the low-life bastard! This is our fucking Band family! I know I'm the black sheep and everyone would prefer that I would just get the hell lost, but I don't care! As G.Gordon Liddy once said "The Trick is in Not Minding"


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

What's really UNBELIEVABLE is that someone would actually take the time to count how many posts a person did in a day, and then tell THEM to get a life.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I've been playing reel-to-reels this evening. I decided to go ahead and open up the Brown tape, and sure enough, it was a sealed original. It's in perfect condition and the starting end of the tape was taped onto the top of the reel with a little Ampex sticker. I assume that this is how they came new. I played a little of it, and the Hey Jude one I just got. The sound quality is fantastic. I remember as a kid that the "real" serious audio guys had reel machines, and it was supposed to be the best sound. That tape of the Brown album saw it's first action ever after sitting for 32 years and the sound is fantastic. I think I'll hunt down some more tapes.

Hey, I'm going on a road trip that will land me in the Niagra Falls area, on the Canadian side, next weekend. Any of you folks near there?....Witt?.....e-mail me before tomorrow (Sunday) nite. philbin3@aol.com

By the way - I've always been impressed with Peter Viney's bullshit myself :-)


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Ontario

Subject: It's not rock, it's Roxy.

Jenny T: The iconoclastic first era of Roxy Music ended after five LPs in 1975 with the album ‘Siren’ and the hit single "Love is the Drug". The story goes that Ferry recruited Brian Eno to form Roxy Music in 1970 after turning down an invitation from Robert Fripp to replace Greg Lake in King Crimson. The weirdness/perversity factor that you get a hint of on ‘These Foolish Things’ is much thicker on the first single "Virginia Plain", and indeed on the entire first ‘Roxy Music’ LP. Quite a curio. Peter V. got to see what many consider to be the ultimate Roxy line-up. Eno split after the first two LPs. The fine album that you mentioned, ‘Avalon’ represents the peak of their second phase. Less willfully weird and much more atmospheric. Haunting stuff.

Band connections? I dunno... Maybe Robbie heard a Brian Eno album once?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Thanks!

Blind Willie: thanks for {mc}telling me about those sites in British Columbia. I own that video but haven't watched it for a while. Now I know the name of the theater to check out in Vancouver. I plan to do some rail travel, so maybe I will see some sites that The Band saw on that wild rail journey with Joplin and company (still waiting on that DVD).

Speaking of "Across the Great Divide"--Bruce Hornsby borrowed the title of that song for his own original track on one of his recent studio efforts...


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Posted by:

Unbelievable

VINEY, you pathetic twit. Six postings in one day !? About what? Are you that lonely? Do you have that much time on your hands? Are you that needy? You poor, poor bastard. Give yourself and others a rest. Get a life. Seek some counselling. At least slow down the daily drivel. Who are you attempting to impress with all your bullshit?


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Posted by:

Blind Willie

Web: My link

Subject: Band Stuff in BC for Charlie Young

You can start with 'The Band Is Back' video at the Queen Elizabeth Theatre in Vancouver. Not sure if the western Canada chain of Sandman Inns is still around, but The Band must of stayed in a Sandman Inn at some point.

Third, and the best! In the Rockies, B.C. side of the B.C./Alberta border a town called Stephen. The Continental Divide. Across the great divide ....


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Oh Canada! & CB Doing "The Weight"

I'm heading to Western Canada on vacation for a week, my first time in the great nation since a too-short trip to Toronto in 1980. Are there any Vancouver-area spots that loom large in the legend of The Band? I'm lugging my laptop along, so let me know.

Peter: I'm still trying to imagine that unreleased version of "The Weight" by Chuck Berry, Do you think he recorded that to thank the guys for some nice royalty checks?


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Richard Thompson on TV

Just caught Richard Thompson on a repeat of Austin City Limits which was done sometime last year. Better than most of the TV outings I've seen him do. Show will be airing across the country all this week thru next Saturday. Check above link for scheduled times in your area. Those of you in the Mid-West or West Coast may be able to catch it tonight. Show repeated in NYC area next Saturday August 10th at 11pm - Channel 25 UHF. Austin local Eliza Gilkyson appears on second half of the hour long show - also quite good.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Roxy Music/Irma Franklin/Axl

Richard: I really liked Avalon, which I don't know if that counts as early Roxy or not, since I don't know too much about the group or even when that album came out. One of my roommates had it in the early eighties and it sounded so airy and mysterious to me--it seemed to create an ethereal mood. I was reading The Mists of Avalon at the same time as an escape from heavy duty reading for school, and that is all tied up in my mind with the era. I would like to hear it again so maybe I will pick it up.

Peter V.: I have never heard the Irma Franklin version--that must be some tape you have there!

Amanda: Thanks for the Axl info. Maybe I can get obsessed with him and get over this Band thing.


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Posted by:

Blind Willie

Subject: Last Waltz - Correct order of songs

A few years ago, I remember seeing a list of all the songs from TLW in the actual order they were played. Can't seem to find that info now. Can anyone help? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Let It Be...etc

Gbers might be interested in this: As the story goes, the Beatles were so fed up after the Let It Be/Get Back sessions, they didn't want to deal with it all. They asked noted engineer Glyn Johns to assemble an album titled "Get Back" from the tapes. Great singer/songwriter Paul Seibel ("Woodsmoke & Oranges" album, also great song "Louise") gave me a tape of this that was given to him by Jac Holzman (head of Elektra Records at the time) from the dubs that Glyn had put together. This included "Teddy Boy" and other songs not included on the final album "Let It Be". They then gave the tapes to Phil Spector who put his own version of the album together including putting strings on "Let It Be", also including "Across The Universe" not recorded at these same sessions I don't think. The Phil Spector version of the album is the one that was released.

Rollie: thanks for your memories echoing mine of Clarence Schmidt.

Accessed the Chum interview with Garth. It was fantastic!!!! So happy to see him sharing the kind, sly, funny, personal side of himself that only those who had worked with him or been close to Garth and Maud knew. Happy birthday Garth!!! I treasure most of all those special times we rode to and from gigs. You telling me wonderful tidbits of information. And I will never forget our Lisbon, Portugal trip in the fall of '85...playing to over 300,000 people at the 10th Avante Festival. I'll never forget that when Garth started to play the untro to "Chest Fever", he hit a key on his keyboard that had the sound of gunshot-like explosions!!! Really got that huge crowd's attention I'll tell you that.

Garth: can we just chalk that Japan '87 thing up to my ignorence? Appreciate it.

Peace

Andyby67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Rich

Location: Ontario

Subject: Vinyholics Anonymous

Rollie: I think your record buying habits can be considered compulsive once you find yourself looking for bad copies of a record you already own. :-) Time to checkout VA.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Thanks, Sam.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: FOUR???

You can't view the post you're replying to (unless you do the post in Word first) and I missed Rollie's point - what are you doing with four Muddy Waters Woodstock Albums? I have two, vinyl and CD, but four is excessive! (I have 3 vinyl brown album - my "first edition", my wife's original one, the recent repressing, and 3 CDs … first release + Toshiba-EMI Remaster + Capitol remaster)

New albums often have a lot of static - I have a little zap gun that removes static from LPs and it works well.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Rice Crispies

Rollie- the Levonistas would say that it's because Levon produced the Muddy Waters album, and that Robbie is entirely responsible for the snap, crackle and pop you're hearing. I think it's more likely that you've worn out four copies of the Brown album and haven't played the Muddy Waters one so often.

Beatles - I was only making Let it Be connections. The rest is a whole other story.


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Posted by:

richie the brit.

Location: uk

Subject: hey jude/peter v.

dear pete. hey jude was eventually released in the uk rather late in the day. my vinyl copy is a 1979 emi/parlophone release pcs 7184. the band/dylan/3/4 beatles jamsession took place in 1969. did it actually happen or is it an urban myth. mysterious jam sessions, now thers an interesting topic.various beatles at an eric clapton party. the whole of creedence at tom fogerty's wedding. the remnants of led zeppelin at jason bonhams wedding. any others that any other folks know about?


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: vinyl

Undoubtedly, somebody in here has at least two or three copies of the "Brown Album".(I'm working on four).Why? Because they all seem to snap,crackle ,pop, and one of them is right out of the wrapper! Now, I have four copies of the "Muddy Waters Woodstock Album" and every single one of them is immaculate. Not a speck of noise! Is the vinyl from those early Band Lps inferior in some way?Anybody else notice this?


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: friendships

Anyone looking for a music post may want to scroll on by....

I just spent a little while looking around this site, something I haven't really done in a long time. This place is mind-boggling, to say the least. The wealth of information alone is just incredible. It's been awhile since I acknowledged that, so I just wanted to mention it. Thans Jan.
I remember finding this site shortly after the unexpected death of my husband back in 1996, and it helped fill a void that was all-comsuming at the time. The void is smaller now, life continues, and this place is still here.. like a good friend. To everyone I've had the pleasure of meeting through this wonderful site, thank you. No, I'm not leaving. It's just been awhile since I recognized how comfortable and familiar this site is, and how much alot of the friendships here mean to me. So.. thanks for listening...

Off to Woodstock tonight, hope to see some of you there. Come over and say hi!

PS "Aunt" Maud. I hope you come tonight. I miss you!!!! Love Jessica


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Lennon's "Rock n Roll" album had an interesting bump in the road. John and Phil Spector were working on it when 'ol Phil decided to take the tapes and disappear. Why? I don't know. Lennon commenced recording without him, but eventually got the tapes back. So PS is only involved on some of the tracks. You can tell because some of the tunes have his "wall of sound" on them that some people give him legendary status for for some reason. I've never been a big Spector fan.......I like the album. John's take on "Stand By Me" has always been a fave.

Tenn = I'll have to check out "Singing The Blues".


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Axl

Axl and Guns n' Roses on tour... http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=16115&cf=344 Spaghetti Incident is one of my faves too...long live Punk Rock.

Have fun in Woodstock this weekend. I am SO jealous...


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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Band/Beatles

Peter V -- But wasn't the first Band/Beatles connection in '66 or so, when Paul, George and Ringo visited Bob and the guys at the Isle of Wight? I believe there was a Bob, Beatles and Band jam, or so I've read. (don't know where John was, or whether Levon was there)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Phil = "The Beatles Again".

They were songs that had already been out as singles.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: There will be an answer …

Band / Let it Be connections. Apart from George’s querelous complaints that he wanted to sound like The Band, and their annoyance that George Martin was unable to replicate Levon’s drum sound (I think it’s recording, not Ringo’s inability to play like it), there are these connections:

The Beatles fiddled around with I Shall Be Released and To Kingdom Come during the sessions, (the fragment can be found on the bootleg set The Get Back Journals, Vigo, 1996 )

Let It Be - Robbie Robertson, Paul McCartney, Dion & Eric Clapton played this at the R&R Hall of Fame induction, 15 March 1999.

Get Back – Billy Preston was a Band member for a short time in 1991 and performed this with The Band.

Bryan Ferry- I first saw Roxy Music touring behind the single of Virginia Plain, with Eno. They were unforgettable. But I don’t like Hard Rain much either.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Just another little piece of my heart

Janis gives it her all, but actually you can't beat the eerily controlled Irma Franklin original, which is on my permanent in-car soul collection and holds its own with such great songs as William Bell's Private Number, Don Covay's Mercy, Mercy and Robert Parker's Let's Go Baby (Where The Action Is) - and about twenty others.


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Posted by:

RP

Location: St Catharines, Ontario.

Subject: Axl

The name Axl Rose conjures up memories of a cover album that’s better than any of them. I think ‘The Spaghetti Incident’ is pure pleasure. Ah,, punk nostalgia… : ). Sorry, I don’t know what he’s up to…


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Ontario

Subject: Rock n Roll / Foolish Things

Jenny T: The other popular cover album from that time period is John Lennon's 'Rock n Roll'. To be kind, it’s an interesting record with a couple of great performances but overall it's not close to on par with 'Moondog'. Phil Spector (over-)produced once again.

I gotta ask, were you ever a fan of early Roxy Music? I don't find that Ferry album (or any Ferry album) too much different stylistically.


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Posted by:

chiyo

Location: Cape Breton

Subject: Levon

Hi!

Many years ago I interviewed Levon, later he played at my birthday party. When I was in need of shelter he gave me his hotel room in Halifax because he was on his way to Ottawa with Garth, Rick, Richard & the Cate Brothers and wasn't using it. This all started at the Misty Moon in Halifax.

I was wondering where to reach him because I lost his home address and I wanted to thank him & let him know how much he influenced my career as a musician.

Thanks.

chiyo

Major Puff 'n' Lotus PO Box 1852 North Sydney, NS Canada B2A 3S9


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Piece of my Heart

Axl Rose could get away with Piece of my Heart. Is Axl Rose doing anything these days? I love his voice.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: These Foolish Things

I listened to the entire thing, and will put it in my tickler file to pull it out again in another 15 years. I guess I can't take so much sentimentality and blubbering--and from a guy too!--all on one record. Though I guess if you were a guy and your boyfriend ditched you for a girl (It's My Party) you would be kind of depressed. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think Ferry's Roy Orbison-ish/'20s crooner type voice actually works OK on all the standard smooth pop and R and R tunes, and since he sounds kind of creepy and scary anyway, Sympathy for the Devil works.

The two songs that really rankle are Hard Rain and Piece of my Heart, though the guy has cojones to even attempt Piece of my Heart after Janis sang the hell out of it. The thing about that song is you should feel the singer's pain--it's saying go ahead, dick me around some more, I'm tough, when you know she should probably be saying drop dead. I don't see it as a Bryan Ferry vehicle I guess. It needs a screamer.

But the worst is Hard Rain--a dark prophecy which Ferry makes sound exactly like Tim Curry and his back-up singers in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's just an inappropriate approach to a sombre thoughtful song.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

DaveZ: Welcome to NY!! Glad you made it (and without a speeding ticket too.. I am impressed! :-)
Looking forward to seeing you tonight in Woodstock. I'll have 3 kids with me (only 2 will be mine).. so you'll know me by the look of desperation on my face :-)

Best wishes to Ronnie Hawkins and his family. May strength and peace of mind prevail.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: These Foolish Things

All right, Mr. Viney. I will give These Foolish Things another try. I shouldn't really criticize it since I haven't played it in about 15 years. I think I don't like the quavery, affected-sounding way he sings on it, though I think that is just his natural voice. I didn't realize how much of a trend the cover thing was back then. Moondog Matinee stands out in the crowd for me, esp. Mystery Train. I doubt anyone could do that any better.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Ontario

Subject: Stones reissues at last

PETER V: Thanks for the info on the 60s Stones re-issues. That's the best news I've heard in a while. I've managed to hold off buying any of the 60s (London-Decca) Stones albums on CD (had to get ‘Between the Buttons’ though), so this couldn't come at a better time. Let's hope they get the same treatment that Castle recently gave the Kinks - beautifully re-mastered, full original U.K. versions with almost an entire second "album" of bonus tracks on each CD. Now that would be sweet.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: hey jude/band connection

dear phil. im sitting here with my vinyl copy of hey jude in front of me.havnt got the foggiest notion what the original title was but your right, the title hey jude is only on the binding on the sleave. the covers front and back are from the beatles last ever photo shoot taken on aug22.1969 at john's country estate in tittenhurst park in ascot. interestingly many commentators and fans have noted the striking similarities between these beatle pictures and those famous pictures of the band taken in 1968 by elliot landy. the clothes and the setting of the beatles shots are almost identical to the rustic old americana look of the band in their woodstock big pink pictures.it certainly wasnt the trendy swinging london carnaby st look or hippie gear that the beatles went for. it was definitely a band feel. probably george's influence.ringo in particular in these pictures, dressed in black with a crevatte, wouldnt look out of place as a gambler on a riverboat on the missisippi.!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: It was the year of the Beatles, the year of the Stones …

Phil: The answer is “1 C-062-04-348” – that’s all that’s printed on the front cover of my copy. It was never released in the UK, and my copy is a German pressing so that’s probably all wrong …

The release of the “Get Back” pre-Spector version is cited everywhere this month, with Paul as the source. Don’t forget he always loathed what Spector did to it. When the Queen visited Liverpool and opened John Lennon Airport and also visited Paul’s art exhibition a week or two ago, papers noted that Paul was “too busy” to travel the 400 yards necessary to meet Yoko at the Town Hall or to attend the airport opening, so maybe agreeing to release “Get Back” in its form before John & Spector more or less crapped upon ‘Let it Be’ and ‘Long and Winding Road’ won’t be too easy. Paul says that “It has a lot of stuff that I wouldn’t have put on there”. But it will bring in a lot of cash. They’re also talking about an extended ‘Let it Be Sessions” album. Record Collector says EMI have “failed to locate” the missing reel-to-reel tapes and “may have to resort to unofficial sources” (i.e, the many bootlegs which exist because someone managed to locate them first and walked with them) – let’s hope the Band fragment gets on there then. And 2003 will see the first two remastered into Surround Sound Beatles DVDs – Please, Please Me and With the Beatles.

Then the Stones are releasing 21 or 22 pre-1970 albums beginning in the Fall, and will be releasing the original British albums at long last (as well as the butchered and chopped US versions which are now on CD). They also say that it’s the first time ever that the original master tapes have been used in Stones CD releases.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Clarence Schmidt

Wow Andy! CLarence Schmidt! Now talk about eccentric! I had the privilege of walking around on that hallowed property. Some amazing stonework, not to mention the dolls in the trees , the tin foil,etc. I believe the book "Woodstock Handmade Houses" did some type of dedication to Clarence.If I'm not mistaken,Mort Schiff,(who did some work for Todd Rundgren and also worked on some of Garths prototypical keyboards) was building a stick-framed geodeisic dome not far from there. For a lad like myself, these were mind -opening(or is that altering?) times. My mother wasn't exactly impressed with my sisters cronies at first,but she got over it! Clarences' place!!!! Man ,did you just bring me back!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Motel in Kingston

Made it... Looking forward to the show... No speeding tickets either... and that's pretty good when you are cranking Remedy...

Belated happy happy to Garth...

I hope to meet you too Bob Wigo at the show...

Prayers out to the Hawk... and his family...


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Posted by:

Phil

Location: Ca

Subject: Hey Jude LP

Here's a Beatles trivia question just for fun. The Hey Jude LP had a different title when first released. Anyone recall it? The title was changed after everyone kept referring to it as Hey Jude. If I recall correctly, both the original title and the Hey Jude title were only printed on the binding of the sleeve.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Does anybody know anything about the Beatles recording Melvin Endsley's "Singing The Blues"? Was it ever released on anything other than a bootleg?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: lots of stuff

richie the brit = thanks for the interesting Let It Be info. It would be nice to see it re-released.....The idea of Paul getting the original "Get Back" album out seems like a long shot. I would think there might be too much legal crap to deal with. I've wondered, since the Anthology releases, what other Beatles stuff could they possibly still put out. The "Get Back" album would be something........The version of "Revolution" on the "Hey Jude" LP was the fast one that was the flip side of the "Hey Jude" single. "Rev. 1" is on the White Album, as is the fabulous "Revolution #9". There is also a cool version that they did for a promo video that is a touch faster than the "fast' one, and features "shooby doo-wop" backup vocals from Paul and George. This version has been bootlegged.

I know, I know - it's the Band website - but I get going and..........

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GARTH - you are the man.

GET WELL HAWK.

Thanks for all the reel-to-reel talk. I learned a few things. I never realized the damage that can happen with letting them sit. I understand what you guys are saying though. I'll play them for sure.

Someone mentioned 8-Tracks. Now, they sucked. Speaking of "Hey Jude" - on the 8-Track, the song would fade out in the middle - click to the next program - and fade in where it left off. What a horror.


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Posted by:

MIKEY LENAHAN

Location: Clinton,NJ

Subject: Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often !!!!

A Big Happy Birthday to the Garth Man, I hope you have many,many more. Also I send my very best to Ronnie Hawkins. Get Well Bro. Hey G-Man, Have fun in good old Woodstock. Buy yourself a beer on me bro. Hope to see everyone very soon. Peace.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Garth and The Hawk

Happy Birthday Garth! Best wishes to Ronnie Hawkins.

Two artists that rattle the silver when music gets too smug and comfortable. What would rock and roll have been like without them? I don't even want to think about it...

All the best, Amanda


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Van Moodance house..

Butch: Did you know that Van Morrison's "Moondance" house, on Spencer Road off Ohayo Mountain Road was previously rented to Richard Manuel?

I spent a lot of time there with Van, his wife Janet, and daughter Shanna. We would walk down the road and visit the eccentric Woodstock artist Clarence Schmidt. He lived in a tree house on his land and created sort of a Schmidt version of Disney World. The trees were adorned with doll parts, tin foil and other "found art". Very surreal and interesting!!! Van loved to offer to get him a six-pack of beer and we would go into town and bring it to him. He was very appreciative.

Incidentally, the cover and photos for Van's "His Band & The Street Choir" album were taken just outside of the house. It had a fantastic view of the Ashokan Resivior, which is one of the primary water supplies for New York City. Beautiful.

If anyone wants directions to Big Pink, (I lived there from '85 to '87, in the attic appartment), contact me by e-mail

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Pin-ups

These Foolish Things gets us into Moondog Matinee territory as much as style-bending – along with Bowie’s ‘Pin-ups’ and other albums of 1973-4 (and many since). But Ferry did bend it all to his style – haven’t played it for a while, but I will. I like that one! Also try ‘Another Time Another Place’ – I liked his ‘Walk A Mile In My Shoes’ – which brings the question, who came first? Because the covers amended to your style was the big trend in 1974 and Robbie has said they didn’t try to copy or even be as good on “Moondog Matinee’ – they made the diverse songs into a Band record. Um, not much deep blues there either. Soul, yes. R&B yes. R&R yes.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Style Bending

One of the worst albums I own is Bryan Ferry's These Foolish Things. I like Roxy Music for a certain mood, but this is too much--he covers things so cheesily, and they run the gamut: It's My Party, Piece of my Heart, Don't Worry Baby, You Won't See Me, A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall, Sympathy for the Devil, and (Band connection) Loving You Is Sweeter than Ever. I play it when I need a laugh.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Weird Cassettes

Mars, I recall that the reversal of album sides once they were put on prerecorded cassettes was a rather common quirk of such tapes in the 1970s...I remember listening to a friend's copy of the Stones' "Satanic Majesties Request" and it had the same problem you're describing...I had a copy of "Let it Bleed" that started with "Midnight Rambler" and ended with "Let it Bleed," now that makes for a different (and lesser) listening experience than the album!

--in addition to having rotten sound quality cassettes were formatted improperly...somebody was high, or didn't care, or both...

and let's not even get started on 8-tracks!


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Dred Zeppelin

Richard: Thanks for reminding me of Dred Zeppelin. I saw them in Boston once, the highlight being a song I believe is called Black Dog/Hound Dog. It got some airplay on alternative radio station WFNX. They were great on stage.


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Posted by:

herbie hancock

Subject: interview

interviewer:kid rock was asked, "what was the greatest canadian band ever, of all time?" and he said The Band. Garth: and somebody asked "what band?"


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Honey Boy and The Hawk

Best wishes to two real musicians, real men, true legends with true hearts, Garth Hudson and Ronnie Hawkins!


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Happy B-Day Garth, Best to Ronnie

Happy Bithday Garth. Get well Ronnie!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Preserving tapes

Even better than playing them is winding them through fast forward without contact with the heads (so they realign to avoid print-through without incurring more wear) - but I have to say it kind of defeats the purpose, i.e. enjoying the music.


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Posted by:

G-MAN

Subject: Big Pink Maps--Cheap!!

Wigo,,,see us at the show! 8/4,,annual BP tour!! Discount for friends and GB's!


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Posted by:

mars

Subject: oops

Oops! What I meant was, begin with Shape I'm In (Track 6-10 are Tracks 1-5, Tracks 1-5 are Tracks 6-10) I told you I was cofused!


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Posted by:

mars

Subject: stage fright

I'm confused. Just began getting into the Band thanks to the Last Waltz reissue. Blown away by first two records, and love Stage Fright. But I picked up an old used cassette version which seems to have side 1 labelled as Side 2 and vice versa. What gives? I understand this album is generally regarded as lesser than the first two, but listen to it starting with Stage Fright,through the Rumor, flip to Strawberry Wine, and end with All La Glory, and it's every bit as great as Big Pink. Anybody know why the cassette version is screwy?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Subject: Cleveland Tx

Pat, I saw Amazing Graze sets by John Hartford, Steve Goodman, Proctor and Bergman, and passed up a chance to see Steve Martin. Others too, can't remember.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Directions to Big Pink

I know there are a few posts in the archives regarding directions to Big Pink. Anyone know the dates or willing to provide help? It will be much appreciated.

Thanks.


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Wishing The Hawk a speedy recovery! We know you can beat this!

Happy Birthday to Garth! And many many more!

To everyone going to Woodstock tomorrow, have a safe but wonderful time! It's bound to be one heck of a great show! I look forward to hearing all about it.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Woodstock Playhouse

Curious......how many GBers plan to be in attendance tomorrow night in Woodstock?

It's looking good for a road trip. The room is booked and tickets reserved.

I would sure enjoy the chance to say hello.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: The Hawk

John D.__ Thank you. When I read the news I got a bit emotional. Maybe I should have waited a while before posting.These old cats are just getting up there and we seem to be losing them too fast. It's strange how much someone you don't even know can become a piece of your life anyway. I'm not even the hysterical female type...hmmm...


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Garth interview

Wow! The Garth interview is a hoot! Don't miss it! (See What's New.) Interviewers go into an interview thinking they know what they are going to get. Sometimes it doesn't work out the way they think it will!

Bayou Sam, if the tape coating still looks good, play them. Unplayed tape (including cassettes) are subject to "print-through" if stored uplayed for long periods. Print-through is when the sound pattern from one turn of the tape gets imposed faintly on the adjacent turns, making a pre- or post-echo when played back. So unless the oxide is flaking off, playing them actually preserves them.



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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Scituate Mass

MeDave

That just sounds like the concert promoter is trying to sell more tickets...Kinda sketchy way if you ask me... I have seen Garth with Proffessor Louie & Crowmatix billed as "Music of the Band" but for them to be advertizing the show as The Band is unfair to Garth & Crowmatix... people who havent been keeping up on the Band and don't know about the various side groups will be left feeling like they got cheated and I hope they won't take it out on Garth and the Crowmatix because I am sure they don't relize that their show is being billed as The Band... it sounds like a ploy to sell more tickets

It will still be a great show... have a great time!


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Posted by:

paul godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: The Hawk

"Heaven Ain't Ready For You Yet....Ronnie!

Best wishes & Godspeed.

Love from Levon, Shannon, Julia and Paul Godfrey


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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan AT Newport 1965


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Hawk Update

I just spoke with Ronnie's Management company (who also happens to be his wonderful daugher-in-law Mary and she tells me that Ronnie is feeling and looking great and that the story has gotten way out of hand. Will still keep him in our thoughts; but it's looking good. Still a lot of testing before there is a definite problem defined. If anyone can lick any problem it's The Hawk!


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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Dylans return to Newport(article)

Nice overview with references to the Band,Butterfield, The Hawks.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Hawk

Just a note about The Hawk. As many of you know by now; because it has been on TV and the papers here (otherwise I would not be talking about it) Ronnie Hawkins has been diagnosed with cancer. It was found while doing other surgery.

Without Ronnie Hawkins putting them together there would not have been a Hawks or The Band. Please keep him in your thoughts. He's the man who paved Yonge street and took us from the hills to the stills and on to the pills as he would say.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: investment advice

Finally....Investment advice that's practical. If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00. With Enron, you would have $16.50 of the original $1,000.00. With Worldcom, you would have less than $5.00 left. If you had bought $1,000.00 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the cans for the 10 cent deposit, you would have $214.00. Based on the above, my current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle


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Posted by:

MeDave

Location: Salem, MA
Web: My link

Subject: Ummm - hmmmm

Hi all - I'm a longtime fan and lurker. I have to chime in on something I saw upon just opening the Boston Herald. There is an ad for the Garth appearance at the Scituate MA Music festival this weekend but instead of saying Garth & Porf Louie, etc. they say "The Band: Garth Hudson and new members" is playing at 1:30 on Sunday with a big brown album picture under it. Its really a matter of splitting hairs and I'd be going to see Garth just do solo stuff anyways, but imagine my surprise to see an ad for the band live this weekend in the paper... have they been billing themselves as the band elsewhere?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: sitting down with my reel-to-reel

I also dumped three large boxes of reel to reels a few years ago. My 1970 Sony gave up the ghost – motor trouble. Amazingly, around 1990 a shop fitted new heads and other parts. They took about three months to come from Japan, but Sony still stocked them. The stuff I dumped was mainly copies of friends’ albums – I kept the choice few original things and dubs of albums that weren’t on CD. I was looking at second hand Revox A77s and Akais a couple of years ago- there were lots about, but they wanted about £450 for models that were £700 new in 1972 or 1973! Anyway, when I explained that I just wanted to copy some old reel to reels, the guy in the shop said I could rent one of them for two weeks for £50. I never did because I didn’t have the time to copy them all, but potentially renting a machine and copying the old stuff onto CDR was tempting. The trouble is that even good domestic quality reel-to-reel players were at their best playing tapes that were recorded on the same model, and preferably the same machine – but a lot of the stuff I had was done on Revoxes I had at work. As for Sam’s sealed Brown Album, I guess the artifact is more valuable than the content which has been available as a new vinyl recently, let alone the remastered CDs, in which case the seal adds to the value. There’s also the fear that the oxide will shed leaving you with transparent tape and a floor covered with red dust. I suppose the reel to reels might be less compressed than the vinyl without being remixed, but knowing Capitol I’d bet they just shoved the vinyl version onto tape. Even allowing for the vast improvements in cassette technology between 1970 and 1990 (when they gave up trying because of DAT), those open reels still had a higher frequency response at 7.5 IPS (let alone 15 IPS) on good tape than a top-price Nakamichi cassette recorder. I’d bet there are some bargain DAT recorders around too- hard disc seems to be the medium of choice for the spoken voice material I work with, then it goes onto CDR, though I see they still run a DAT as backup in the studios. These things die if they aren’t used – the motors tend to seize. I say this realizing my DAT player hasn’t been run for about two years …


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Happy Birthday Garth. Many happy returns.

Get well wishes to the Hawk.

And a special sports note from Philly....My beloved Eagles have insured a Super Bowl appearance by signing a player named Levon !!


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Bayou Sam

I have a reel to reel player and had about 300 reel to reels untill I moved and had no place to keep them and had to dump them all in a dumpster.... I still have the reel to reel player but it needs some work done to it... I did notice back when I had the reel to reel player working I hooked it up to my sterio system and recorded some stuff on to the reels and could not beleive how great the recordings came out... the sound was better than CD quality.. tapeing vinal on to a reel made the recording sound great... I was very surprized at the sound quality..

open those reels and listen to them!!! thats what they are for!!!!

everyone have a great time in Woodstock Saturday seeing Garth and the JWB.. I was hopeing to make the trip but looks like it isn't gonna happen..


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Posted by:

Garth's fans from London On.

Subject: Birthday

Happy August 2nd. to Garth. Wishes for many many more from all your friends in London.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: let it be

bayou sam. paul mcartney has hinted that let it be is going to have the deluxe dvd treatment possibly for an autmn release. he's also stated that he'd like to release an authentic let it be album without the phil spector overdubs possibly under its intended title of get back. the spirit of the band definitely loomed in the background of the let it be sessions in that george had been having such a wonderful time hanging out with the band and producing jackie lomax, that he hated those cold miserable let it be sessions in the bleak aircraft like hanger of twickenham film studios. iv got hey jude on vynil. before i go digging for it, is there a different version of revolution on it to the one that was on the white album? im sure the famed slower revolution is on this release.


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Posted by:

Happy Birthday Garth!

A very happy birthday today to Garth... with love and hugs from me and the 3 stooges ~D,S,J&J. We love you!


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: Joni Mitchell

I just saw a promo on PBS for a Joni bio comming in Dec.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: The Hawk

Sounds tough for da Hawk, being a Johnny come lately fan to all of this, I saw for the first time TLW about a year ago, but remember seeing the Hawk for the first time as one of my favorite performances, that hasn't changed, wish him nothing but the best....


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Copt out

Crabbie- this has got me worried, because I don’t know which side we’re supposed to hate, which is important in such religious disputes. At first I was with the Copts because their name sounds weird, they’re probably privy to all sorts of Indiana Jones type secrets like where the Ark of the Covenant is hidden, and it can’t be much fun living in a hut on a roof. But then the Egyptian guy got pinched by a woman! That sounds pretty unforgiveable even for those in the forgiveness industry. So where was he pinched? A light friendly pinch on the arm? Or a vicious twist of the private parts? Anyway, as soon as I know where to direct righteous indignation, I’ll righteously do so.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Portsmouth, VA (tonight at least)

Subject: Best Hornsby Show I've Seen...

I've seen Bruce Hornsby play dozens of times over the last 14 years--solo, with various bands and even a couple of symphonies, but his show tonight at the waterfront pavilion in Portsmouth, Virginia cooked even beyond what I thought the he and his band were capable of doing onstage. Even with surprise guest Bonnie Raitt joining Bruce and band for several songs, it was Hornsby who was cheif chef of the delicious musical stew on this steamy Southern night. I know one or two of the good folks here plan to catch Bruce and his band (featuring an amazing new drummer) down in Georgia on August 3rd. Since that is the last night of their current six week tour, I expect them to pull out some surpises that night as well.

Band content? Bruce whipped out his accordian for a delcious full version of "When I Paint My Masterpiece" and also segued from one of his own tunes into Dylan's "It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry." I think Bob would have liked the gig, too...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam again

Location: ny

Subject: tapes

I just got a tape that I won on eBay. It's a reel-to-reel of The Beatles "Hey Jude" album. This was a weird American album of Beatles singles from 1969 that I couldn't resist getting. A couple of years back I won the Brown album on reel too. It's still sealed and I've always wrestled with opening it and leaving it sealed - should I open it fans?. Now I'm afraid I'll open it and find out it's a rock of something.......Anyone into reel-to-reel? I've also got Sgt.Pepper and a Bill Haley one.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Religious News!!

MONKS FIGHT ON ROOF OF HOLIEST PLACE

By Alan Philps in Jerusalem

(Filed: 30/07/2002)

Eleven monks were treated in hospital after a fight broke out for control of the roof of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the traditional site of Jesus's crucifixion, burial and resurrection. An Ethiopian monk nurses his bruises after the clash The fracas involved monks from the Ethiopian Orthodox church and the Coptic church of Egypt, who have been vying for control of the rooftop for centuries. It is not the first time monks have come to blows at Christendom's most holy place, but it is one of the most serious in recent times. As black-clad monks threw stones and iron bars at each other, the Israeli police were called to restore order. Seven Ethiopian monks and four Egyptians were hurt and one of the Ethiopians was reported to be unconscious in hospital. The fight erupted over the position of a chair used by an Egyptian monk near the entrance to the roof. He sits there to assert the Copts' claim to the rooftop, which is mainly occupied by a few African-style huts which the Ethiopians, who have been evicted from the main church over the centuries, use as their monastery. On a hot day, the Egyptian monk decided to move his chair out of the sun. This was seen by the Ethiopians as violating the "status quo" in the church, set out in a 1757 document which defines the ownership of every chapel, lamp and flagstone. After several days of rising tension, the fists began to fly on Sunday. The Egyptians said their monk was teased and poked and, in a final insult, pinched by a woman. Yesterday there was a silent stand-off on the roof, with the Ethiopians defending their property with a row of chairs. The church is a cockpit of rivalry between Christian sects and, in the words of one historian, the "most unchristian place in the world". It is shared among six denominations, with the more powerful ones taking ruthless advantage of any weakness by their rivals.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: The Hawk

Ronnie__ You Ol' Desperado...hold off that train for a while longer. We ain't ready to lose you. I know I speak for everyone else here tonite when I say "We Love You, Ya Big-Hearted, Sweet Ornery Sumbitch!" Just don't die! Don't Die...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: old video tapes

About 20 years ago I had borrowed a portable VCR with a camera from somebody, and since I had the machine for a couple of days I went out to look for tapes to watch. I came across a sale at Sam Goodys (we called it Sam Greedys), and I found a video tape of Let It Be going for half price @ $35.00 - quite a sale at the time. I bought it of course, and now it's pretty much impossible to find that film - legitimately at least.

It's funny - a friend and I were just recently remembering a time when you would wait all year for something like The Wizard of Oz to be on TV. It would be a big night to gather around the tube and watch it. Now I have the damn thing on video.

Shit - now I sound like my parents.............."what a drag it is getting old"......


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Ooo Baby, Ooooo-eeeeee

I took my POTATOES down to be mashed.........


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Add my voice to the Drive By Truckers chorus.

Amazing Grace was one of the best listening rooms in the world. It was originally on Northwestern's campus but it moved to Chicago and Main in Evanston Il in the mid-70's (part of it is now a White Hen). I worked at Round Records in Rogers Park and we sold tix for the place, so I got to get in for free. Let's see. Jerry Jeff Walker, Pat Metheny, Gary Burton, Bill Evans, McCoy Tyner, Miroslav Vitous, Siegal-Schwall among a host of others. Wonderful room, never replaced.

Did anyone mention the donut in Levon's tea?


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Posted by:

M-J

Location: Mtl, Qc, CA
Web: My link

Subject: "The Hawk" ill

Can't see it mentioned on this site yet -- The Hawk has taken ill in Ptbo, currently in a T.O. hospital. Details on my website: http://www.thenewforum.ca/


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Posted by:

JTull

Location: Richmond

Subject: U.S. TV versus Pal

Just to add, the reason pre-digital/HDTV U.S. television is of such poor picture quality is due to the the fact that we adopted our original technical standards prior to the rest of the world, so that is the price of being first; we got stuck for 60 years with the crudest of standards. When color was introduced, rather than require a system wide upgrade, the FCC required that it be compatable with existing B+W standard televisions. In general, the later a country got television, the better its' quality standards.


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Posted by:

JOSH

Subject: Recent Levon Recording With The Last Hombres

A "Levon & The Barnburners" CD would surely be welcome. but there are other options if you thirst for some Levon Nouveau. "Redemption", released this year by The Last Hombres, features Mr. Helm on all cuts. Definitely worth a listen. This site has links to The Hombres', which has sample cuts.


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Posted by:

Hazy davy

Location: Minneapolis

Subject: food

"newspaper men eating candy..."


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: deep-fried in Georgia

Subject: "Southern Rock Opera" & VCRs

There's a great concept album, appropriately titled "Southern Rock Opera" from the Athens, Ga.-based group Drive-By Truckers. It was independently financed and originally released last fall on an indie label. Although it garnered a lot of critical praise, copies were hard to find because of the independent distribution. The good news is that DBT recently signed a deal with the Lost Highway label which has re-released the album with wide distribution.

"Southern Rock Opera" is a two-disc set about growing up in Alabama in the late '70s. The cycle of songs also incorporate the tragic story of the great Southern rock group Lynyrd Skynyrd. As the story opens, the central character has just graduated from high school in 1979. Music is a big part of his life -- "At night he dreams he's fronting his ultimate rock and roll band"..."He listened to Lynyrd Skynyrd, Neil Young, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Who, ZZ Top, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Thin Lizzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath, The Sweet, Ted Nugent, Queen, Todd Rundgren, CCR, The Band, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Lots of Lynyrd Skynyrd".

Peter V. -- Here's a weird twist that the Drive-By Truckers discuss: According to legend (or call it Southern non-urban myth), when Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crashed, singer Ronnie Van Zandt was killed when an on-board VCR, mounted behind his seat, struck him in the head.

All I can say is, "Southern Rock Opera" is some really bad-ass rock 'n roll, and that's good for this old boy.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: specific concepts … / technical bullshit

Concept albums have to be enigmatic (and The Band was thought to be a "concept" album by at least one writer) and 'Good Old Boys' does it. Which brings us to The Rising. A not too enigmatic one actually, but it works, in that first listen doesn't reveal the building themes, but they start to cut in pretty heavily as you get into it.

On LP and EP video - thanks for the info. In general if you can't tell the difference with SP then you need (a) a new VCR (b) a new TV (c) to move to Europe for PAL transmissions. Recently, I only use S-VHS (on SP) because even on SP VHS isn't good. It depends on the TV signal you're getting but if you're receiving digital transmissions for regular TV, you need S-VHS minimum to bridge the gap (and that's still 30% below DVD or even more below digital signals). But while we're technical, turning to the new Robbie, you shouldn't be able to greatly improve a 4 year old recording by going 24-bit as far as I can judge. It's not released in the UK- checked today.


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: RR Classic Masters

I finally picked up a copy of the new release. I enjoyed the liner notes written by Robbie himself in May 2002. There is somewhat of an Olympic theme to the notes, for all three of the tunes that were played in Salt Lake are here. The Glen Ballard mix of "Unbound" is pretty strong as are the new mixes of "Ghost Dance", "Golden Feather" and "Making A Noise" (Olympic Version). These stay close to the originals unlike the new mix of "Take Your Partner.." which is very different and not as haunting or melodic. I get the sense from Robbie's notes (although he does not say it) that this compilation closes a chapter of some sort. It will be interesting to see where he will go from here.

By the way, the Opening Ceremonies from the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake have been nominated for an Emmy this year. It has some strong competition from "America:Tribute To Heroes" and "Concert From New York City". If it wins, does Robbie get an Emmy for his 20 minutes of the show?


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: van the man's house

just on the market , today listing @ PRG REALTY - New Paltz, ny,

van morrison's MOONDANCE house,,, on Ohayo Mt Rd,,, a sprawling old place with stellar Ashokan reservoir views from the roof esp,,, where van would watch the moon dance on the water,,,& DRINK,,,,,,,,

my friends who rented it after Van moved out , found a mountain of johnny walker black ( 4 feet deep ) where Van would throw the bottles from the roof,,

but it is a beautiful house & location w/o the historicalness,,,,

just thought yall might like to know ,, its also right down the road from dylan's land,,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: west of Babylon...

Subject: RR/Classic Masters

Having acquired the new RR Classic Masters CD yesterday, I thought I would add some supplementary remarks. I have managed to obtain most of thre alternative mixes and bonus tracks of Mr. Robertson's work thanks primarily to Jan's highly detailed discography here. As most of these remixes have been released in Europe, I also hail www.gemm.com as THE source for finding the truly obscure music and musicians, especially as this site includes European dealers.

With this wealth of material extant, I'm rather surprised and a little bit disappointed in the new CD. Six of the selections are "regular issue" from the Music for NA and Redboy CD's. Ostensibly 24 bit remastered, I think I prefer the original releases. There isn't that much to repair, (compared to the remastered Band albums), to really be improved by remastering. I guess I prefer that muddy 16 bit sound, tee hee...

The three bonus tracks from the Japanese release of Redboy are not here, and there are better alternative mixes of some of the other "new" mix songs. The Canadian release of Redboy included a bonus CD with several tracks, including a different version of "Take Your Partner by the Hand", which I believe is the "new mix" on the Classic Masters CD, but the other bonus track are not included.

One bit of hilarity...the "Olympic remix" of "Making a Noise" has the "You can bet your ass" line changed to "You can bet your life". Well, this version was meant for use in Utah, afterall...

Well, the new disc was only $12.99 in midtown Manhattan, so if you cannot or have not obtained the other mixes, this will be new stuff for you, but for those fortunate to have acquired them, (or for that matter, my anthology of the remixes), then you may wonder why this project doesn't quite hit the mark it could have easily exceeded. Yes, at this moment, I wish that Capitol had hired me to do this project. Without overly boasting, I know I could have produced a more powerful compilation of remixes, along with those tracks which have never been released here in Gringoland.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland TX

PV, I think the problem with Robbie's later lyrics as a whole are a self conscious quality, pure sponitanity and inspiration are qualities once gone, seldom come back. When he wrote "The Weight" "Across The Great Devide" "When You Awake" etc, nobody had called him a songwriting genius yet. Happens to many good ones, Paul Westerberg comes to mind.

I think Newman was right to reject making the "concept" of Good Old Boys too specific, even if it was a case of chickening out. The concept works better in the background, as his interesting "Faust" would prove. I saw Newman in a small club around the time GOB came out, what a great, great show. Ever go to the "Amazing Grace" Pat?


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Posted by:

Johnny Flippo

Subject: Levon & the Barnburners CD

Could it be that, especially given the venom Levon has historically shot at the record industry, he just couldn't be bothered? Just a thought.


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Posted by:

mojo360

Subject: Levon & the Barnburners

Could someone PLEASE tell me why there STILL is not a Levon & Barnburners CD AVAILABLE ???? They have been out going all over the country playing to sold out clubs, tearing it up night after night,they supposedly recorded about 10 tracks a few years back...and still no CD available ! Why cant anyone get this together for him ? They are a great band--cant believe that with all the crap being released these days,Levon & Barnburners cant get something released---


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: style-benders

There's a group in Toronto called the Prima Donnas who perform an odd assortment of songs in the Louis Prima shout-and-swing style. They did "Whiter Shade Of Pale" and Led Zep's "Rock And Roll" the one time I saw them. Though he may no longer be in the group - and certainly wasn't on stage last summer - the guitarist on their one CD was, I understand, the great Fred Keeler. Keeler was one of the great Robertson imitators on the mid-'60s Toronto scene, as a member of David Clayton Thomas and the Shays. He was later the guitarist in the great Bearsville band, Jericho (see this site's discography).


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Thumbs again

I neglected to mention in my previous post that you can hear a sample of Thumbs' amazing pickin' at the webpage I mentioned -- just click on the "Springfield Guitar Social" link below the photo and enjoy!!


Entered at Thu Aug 1 17:02:53 CEST 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: video tape lengths, answer to Viney

Peter, as I recall, blank videotapes sold for $20.00 plus dollars in the early 80's, so they really were a luxury item, not disposable as today. So, for budgetary purposes it was very useful to sacrifice quality, and if you didn't want to go to the extreme of 6 hours with it's poor quality, 4 hours was a good compromise between quality and cost. With today's 4-head HQ better quality recorders, 6-hour speed looks as good as 4-hour on the older machines, so most players have eliminated this option, although they will still play back tapes at this speed. THe slower speeds were also useful for fast forwarding and freeze frame on 2-head vcr's, particularly if you were just recording the news or something similar not intended to be saved.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Thumbs Carlisle

I've seen many great guitar pickers perform over the years and I have to admit that the late Thumbs Carlisle had to be one of the wildest. He lived in the Atlanta area for several years during the '80s before he passed away. After years of touring with such artists as Little Jimmie Dickens and Roger Miller, health problems took him off the road. His playing, however, did not suffer and he performed often in Atlanta and appeared regularly on a local, commercial-free radio station.

Thumbs' technique was so unorthodox that it's hard to describe, much less figure out what he was doing. Basically, he'd sit the guitar in his lap and finger the frets like he was playing a keyboard. A good photo of Thumbs illustrating his technique can be viewed at the following website:

www.geocities.com/bighollowtwang/ThumbsCarlisle.html

In addition to being an amazing musician, Thumbs was quite a character -- he could have earned a living as a comedian. The one-liners, little stories and jokes he told in-between songs were hilarious. Unfortunately, his recordings are rare and thus hard-to-find. The good news is that there are a lot of people who have expressed interest in Thumbs in recent years and hopefully some of his recordings may yet be reissued.


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Posted by:

Mr. Spock

Subject: politics

'Highly illogical'


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Posted by:

douglas Macarthur

"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ..." US General Douglas MacArthur, 1957


Entered at Thu Aug 1 15:43:16 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-092.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.92)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: video tape speed

Good advice from Richard, but just a query. In the UK we don't have any 'triple speed' VCRs and I don't know anyone who even uses 'double speed' because the quality loss makes it not worth watching. We do have more E240 tapes (4 hour) on sale than E180s, so if it's worth watching, E240 at single speed would be my choice. It's odd because tapes on sale in North America often quote double / triple time on the case , which the same brands don't here. Anyone know why?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Richie__ Yes, Dirk Blocker played "Rambo". His older brother David co-produced the film along with several more of Rudolph's films, including one that may be of some interest to a lot of GB regulars called "Return Engagement". Rudolph pitted G. Gordon Liddy against Timothy Leary. It's an interesting documentary.

As for Keith Carradine, Yeah, I only wish one of his latest films was a "straight to video" "Cahoots" (Hey! Band Connection) He would have finally got a shot at the lead actor Academy Award if this film had been lucky enough to find a distributer! It done the chitlin' circuit and ended up shelved. Hey Chitlins..Now That's Good Eatin'!

Did anybody hear about Jim Traficant's latest stunt? He did a call-in on the Don I-man's show yesterday morning. He told the FBI and the IRS to "Go F___ Themselves!" George Carlin got a big kick out of it...you could hear him slapping the arms of his chair and laughing like hell in the background.

A couple of days ago in a place called Godley, Texas, two men were fighing over which one was going to hell and one of the guys was shot by the other guy and died. True Story...heard it on the CNN!


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Heaven's Gate tonight / Even More Style Benders

To anyone in Ontario. Or anyone with access to the Canadian Moviepix cable channel: They are showing ‘Heaven’s Gate’ tonight at 1 AM (that is, Friday morning). Be sure and set your VCR tape speed to EP, cause it’s 3 hours and 40 minutes and has no commercials ;-)

Style Benders: Let's not forget Dread Zeppelin. A band who perform Led Zep tunes with Elvis vocals and a reggae beat.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Style-Benders

Peter, that album The King you mentioned was featured in-depth on local Richmond radio 3 years or so ago, and even had a live phone line with the guy in Ireland whi made it. It was a riot! Elvis doing the Doors, Nirvana, and Led Zeppelin! 'Come..As You Are...' Also, what about Pat Boone's 'In A Metal Mood'?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: More style-benders

There's also an album, I think by "The King," where the singer does songs as Elvis might have done them if he had lived. They're all post-1977 hits which suit an Elvis interpretation (by an excellent Elvis interpreter with a good band) - I've heard it right through while browsing in Tower once and very nearly bought it. In a way, a similar premise to Big Daddy.


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: covers

mr plant adore's dolly's version and rolf harris's version of STH. given his own well documented refusal to perform the song, we should be thankful for these interesting newer versions. what about pat boone's heavy metal covers album from a few years back,'in a metal mood'.can anyone top that. pat's version of ozzy's crazy train turns up on the new osbourne's 'family album'. apparently ozzy loves it.


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Posted by:

mr. Graham Barrett

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: Wanted

Mr.G.Barrett, 92 southern court,Hill street,stoke on trent,staffs,st4 1ne. ENGLAND. WANTED US DVD OF THE BAND AT THE NEW ORLEANS JAZZ FESTIVAL. MANY ITEMS TO TRADE INCL..DYLAN.....BAND FANS PLEASE WRITE TO ME AT THE ABOVE ADDRESS...SORRY I HAVE NO E MAIL ADDRESS. THANKS GRAHAM.


Entered at Thu Aug 1 10:58:48 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-016.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.16)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Cover versions

Molly Girl mentions Dolly Parton’s ‘Stairway to Heaven’ which has excited a lot of UK media interest (as it was intended to). There is a minor tradition of bending Stairway to Heaven into other styles and there was even a CD full of such covers a few years ago. The most successful was Rolf Harris, the didgeridoo playing singer of such epics as ‘Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport’ , ‘Two Little Boys’ and ‘Sun Arise’. There was a TV show where every single weekly musical guest was made to perform ‘Stairway to Heaven’ as a running theme / joke (was it in Australia?) and Rolf’s version was so unexpected (he’d never heard it before) that they released a single, he had a hit and is now an annual fixture at the Glastonbury Festival performing his 1950s and 1960s hits (with Stairway to Heaven as the big one).

The surprise about Dolly’s version is that it isn’t a piss take but done with a degree of sincerity and as reviewers keep noting, the even bigger surprise is that it works. Kinda. Maybe not if you’re a mega Led Zep fan, but given the whole slew of covers, I’d bet this was the onethe writers would be least embarrassed by. Dolly’s a bit of a star on UK chat shows, in that she displays a British sense of humour- lots of irony, and pretty dirty too! She’s an extremely bright lady and she knows exactly what’s she’s doing – I missed it, but last night she had a whole BBC radio show just talking about her version of the song. I would have listened but only noticed the preview in the paper after it had finished. (Yes, we actually preview major radio shows here!)

The ultimate practicioners of style-bending were Big Daddy, whose “Sergeant Pepper” is the funniest record I own – they also can play rings round most bands. I never tire of repeating this. The “premise” is that Big Daddy got kidnapped circa 1960 in Laos while entertaining US troops. They were rescued in the 1980s, not having heard any music for 25 years. Their record label gave them the sheet music for current hits (because they hadn’t completed their 1958 contract) which they then performed in the style of Eddie Cochran or Buddy Holly or Del Shannon or Little Richard …Sergeant Pepper was about their 3rd or 4th album and they do the whole thing. ‘A Day in the Life of’ ends with Buddy Holly’s plane crash.

The other good band like this was Run C&W (formed by Bernie Leadon & Russell Smith). Like the Traveling Wilbury’s they pretend to be a band, “The Burns Brothers”. They made at least two albums, “Into The Twangy First Century” and “Row vs Wade”. They claim that their albums were “Mastered by Hank Williams” and they do soul hits (mainly) in C&W style – Hold On I’m Coming, Please, Please, Please, Working in the Coalmine, PapaWas a Rolling Stone …


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Posted by:

richie the brit

Location: uk

Subject: trouble in mind

thank you rosalind for that correction.im still in awe at the fact you were in one of my all time fave's. dirk blocker?was he hilly blue's sidekick rambo.he's the image of his dad.question.what's happened to the great keith carradine.is he languishing in straight to video hell?


Entered at Thu Aug 1 09:38:42 CEST 2002 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Phew

I just finished marking my last batch of tests...phew. I think I'll go listen to The Last Waltz or maybe I'll watch Garth's interview again to get my energy back!


Entered at Thu Aug 1 08:31:34 CEST 2002 from nwcsts04d024.nbnet.nb.ca (207.179.161.153)

Posted by:

Maximus

Subject: THANK YOU!

Thanks Brown Eyed Girl for sending in the Pulse 24 interview on Garth Hudson. It was short but always comforting to hear Garth's take on things. Just like The Star article you sent to this Website as others sent in other Canadian articles, it seems that Garth is very appreciative of Robbie and the re-release of TLW for it has continued to gain him much publicity as his own gigs have done. On a personal note please accept my warm thanks for sending the original Canadian version of Robbie at THE OLYMPICS. It's unfortunate that he is singing the cleaned up version (not as political) of "Making A Noise". I know how much this song means to you in particular.

"Something there is about you. That strikes a match in me." (Dylan with The Band from Planet Waves)


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: reply to barret

I hear ya Paul. To be honest, I get sick of the horsehit too! Mine, as well as anybody elses.Politics is a sticky wicket, a game I'd rather not play,but nonetheless, right or wrong, I have a position on. I'd like to think we're all moving in the same direction, towards a common good. It's unfortunately not the case. As for the Band GB, how many times can we belabor The Last Waltz, Music from Big Pink,or Richards car wrecks! Well, hopefully for many years to come, as many young folks will be turned on to a rich heritage. But, regardless of the view points expressed herein, be it politics, music, food, what have you,I don't think this community can be accused of lacking some measure of vibrancy.Art is about creativity,confrontation,confusion,awakening, questioning. This GB encompasses all of that. We have the "Band " to thank for these pages. Regardless of what any individual in here thinks of me, Ihope I get the chance to sit down and swill a few with each and every one of you, and commiserate over the spirit that brought us here in the first place.Rollie---Over and Out


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: A Motel 6 in Madison

Definitely looking forward to meeting you John D... Right now we are doing a little travel "tennis"... earlier today I enjoyed TLW DVD at 30k feet or so round about Atlanta with a boy on each side... multiple headphone action... 1st went down during Cripple Creek... 2nd went the distance so I had to iTune him with Little Island... that lullaby is always guaranteed to do the trick... then it was off to racing trucks through Wisconsin... and cranking some Willie Dixon... that Insane Asylum song was the theme for today... as our travels were not without the occassional event... but I'm saving my JWB, Crowmatix and Garth CDS for when I hit Buffalo... Looking forward to the music and meeting Lil, John, G-Man, Rick and hopefully other GBers as well...


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Posted by:

paul barrett

Location: fall river , massachusetts

Subject: the memory

please forgive my stupidity but i thu=ought this was a band website. Tt's like turning on the cb radio and listening to all the mishmash instead of the importance of things that metter not some dumb food tips and hello to god knows who.the chat room is just as bad, how about levons ill health or garth and prof: louie things this site is about . I'm sorry about this but i've been a fan fan for yeras and even met and have pictures of same so i'm upset at this . thank you for listening.I apologize if i offended anyone!


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: Baja Mexico

Subject: Rosarita Beach Hotel

His words were slow but inexorable, like the movement of mountains. Susan.........great line! wish I said it...anything for Unki Onu! DP


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Alan Rudolph

I'm so pleased that some folks in here dig good movies! Choose Me (Mickey is some piece of work!), Welcome To L.A, The Moderns, Remember My Name?, Anyway, Richie got the scene wrong. I wasn't tall enough for the nude scenes and they wanted blondes anyway. I ended up in the last party scene where everyone gets all shot to hell, except for Hawk and Coop, who, thru some divine intervention,(Divine himself, of course, Takes a bullet thru the forehead) walk out completely unscathed. I even had a bit of a close-up and a few bitchy words to say to my date BUT The best part of the whole deal for me was getting to meet Divine! He cooked for us, he laughed with us...what a wonderful wonderful man. And the pay was good too. Dirk Blocker is a good guy, he pays well and gave us all these great stories about his dad and what it was like for a little kid on the set of Bonanza. 1984 was a long time ago....bummer.

All this talk about food and no deep-fried dill pickles mentioned! That wilted lettuce MattK was talkin about, our garden was full of it..we always put a little sugar and vinegar in the bacon fryin's and left the crumbled up bacon in there too...I loved it. Watercress always tasted better wilted that lettuce to me tho, we used to eat watercress sandwiches with Hellman's mayonaise and black pepper. We was po' folks. wouldn't trade it for the world now, altho it wasn't to good back then. Poverty builds character!

Hey Fred__ If your wife is serious about trying that fried pie recipe..I forgot to add that you should sprinke them generously with powdered sugar when they're done. "I'm no pig without a wing" I know what I'm doin' when it comes to cookin'

What the hell are you terrorist assholes doing in the Band's Guestbook? Ain't you got better things to do. Like killin' little kids and old folks or something.. You Bastards! WE ain't thru with you all yet..Not by a damned long shot!


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Osama, what great advice, since patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Perhaps in yur part of the world, but here we think for ourselves.

I am shocked that the supposed corrective to defend ourselves from terror involves creating a monolithic organization that would cause the very leftist of the liberals to cream. Where's that "evil of big government" wing?

Happy birthday to The Virginian, Mr. Young. So near Garth's and mine, which explains much.


Entered at Thu Aug 1 04:55:29 CEST 2002 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Garth's Interview

"I'm a real person asking real questions"-Liz Smith (the woman who interviewed the one & only Garth Hudson)- yeah, right. Maybe she should interview Osama & co.


Entered at Thu Aug 1 04:44:33 CEST 2002 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Happy Birthday to Charlie Young!!!!!

Subject: many happy returns!

from Pehr


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Springsteen Limited Edition

Today I bought the new Springsteen on sale at my local Borders and sprung for the special limited edition version (the CD is slipped into a sleeve inside a perfect-bound 40 page book with lyrics and photos). I turned 49 today and had some birthday cash burning a whole in my pocket. I've been listening to Springsteen for thirty of those years, so it's always nice to share the day with an old friend...


Entered at Thu Aug 1 04:15:14 CEST 2002 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Richie, Ray Pence

Thnx for the Heaven's Gate info. I know the movie was given a rap even prior to release, and panned thereafter. I've seen it in snippets, usually at 2 or 3 a.m. after work, and consequently partially braindead. But I'll give it a decent shake next time it's rolled out on the movie channel.


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: Do you really think I'm that dumb?

Subject: Double Agent

Osama, hush up you idiot!!! This guy may be a double agent! Let's just stick with the Dead Chat or someone's gonna catch on to us.


Entered at Thu Aug 1 03:42:28 CEST 2002 from sdn-ap-018ilchicp0095.dialsprint.net (65.176.176.95)

Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Garth's interview and food

Yes, Garth's interview is certainly must-see tv. I found it hilarious as Garth took over the interview, while the woman trying to control it yapped like a small dog harassing an elephant. Garth may not have given many interviews over the years, but he sure knows how to handle the press. The interviewer was trying to get him to name-drop big names, but Garth dropped the names he wanted to. His words were slow but inexorable, like the movement of mountains.

To add to the food thread - the most noxious food I've seen but not eaten has to be this thing called a haystack that appeared on the menu in a cafe in a small southern Illinois town. It consisted of a hamburger with bun placed on a pancake. Thick fries were heaped over and around the hamburger, then copious cheese sauce was poured over the whole thing. People were eating these things at 1 am. Some added catsup.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Ass-ama

Ass-ama,once again you managed to dodge a direct question!The loyal Bush and Ass-croft? Did you ever come forward about your business dealings with the Bushs? Or Bush and Ashcroft ties to Enron? Or how much money these fellows stand to make off the Anthrax attacks(thru pharmaceutical companies)or defense contracts? And how come the loyal Bush has made his and his fathers records in office off base to his fellow citizens? He is noble and worthy! What has he to hide from his fellow americans. Has shrub ever told you that Iraq has complied with all requests for inspection and found not to be a threat to this country? No, he has not. The administration lies about this. But enough. I promised . No more politics in theGB.I'm off on a tangent again.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Woodstock/Memphis Bound

Looking forward to getting together with Diamond Lil and Dave Z in the next few days as my wife and I head to Woodstock. Then it's off to Memphis to report on the 25th Anniversary happenings. (Hey got to write off my 30th Wedding Anniversary somehow :-) I notice that Mavis Staples and Dr. John are doing a double bill when I'm there. Got to catch that. I'm also very interested in the upcoming opening of the Stax Museum, formally the Stax studios. They are building it on the same location.


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Posted by:

Jon

Location: USA-Missouri

Subject: MattK-Beef

I hate to tell you, but that sick old cow, that pet cow, the cows that were thrown from the trailer when the truck driver had a blowout, are not just taken away to the rendering plant or burried in the pasture. Is it so suprising that often it ends up on the dinner plate? A very common practice. I'm not making this up. Folks will squeeze every last penny they can. It does not go on everywhere, but it does go on. More likely to happen at a smaller business than a large supermarket.


Entered at Thu Aug 1 02:24:14 CEST 2002 from as3-1-70.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.248)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

I agree with Chris that the Garth interview is an absolute must-see (see "What's New"). It's like watching a conversation between people from two different planets...one world where the likes of Thumbs Carlisle, Jo-El Sonnier, and Jimmy Sturr are hailed as musical geniuses, and where one chuckles over attending red-carpet movie premieres accompanied by Indian musicians in traditional dress, and another world in which praise from Kid Rock is seen as the highest possible honor. Hilarious. Aside from the quality of the music itself, the best thing about The Sea to the North is that it's gotten Garth talking to the press.


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: food

"Watermelon time in Georgia"


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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Alan Rudolph

Trouble in Mind - good Love at Large - better Choose Me - great. Very impressed, Ros, must have been a kick.


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Posted by:

molly girl

Location: the land of cotton

Subject: some things should be left alone

I'm fairly new to the gb but read it quite often. I hope you don't mind if I post a few words if for no other reason than to "dump" on you fine folks...... We are of the same mind when it comes to being connoisseurs of good music, obviously, because we're all Band lovers so I thought you would understand. I was driving along,... thought it was safe to listen to the radio.... and all of the sudden heard Dolly Pardon singing "Stairway to Heaven" with bluegrass instruments. Now don't get me wrong, I love good bluegrass music but PLLLEEEEEEASE!!!!!! There are some things that just need left alone. The original version with all of its mystery and gothicism was indeed great and, in my opinion, long worn out, but to hear it "bubbly" Dolly style was just too much to take. I should say it falls into the same category with Joan's version of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (wrong lyrics and all) and Travis Tritt's cover of "Peaceful Easy Feeling", along with the cloning of human beings, digging up mummy graves, shooting at bigfoot, and destroying that little thingie the alien was holding in the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still".....and the list goes on and on. There are some things that just need to be left alone. Amen....There, I feel much better now. dankschen Who knows what lies ahead????....maybe a Garth Brooks version of "Old Jaw Bone".......... May God forbid.


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: The Bakery

Subject: Rugaleh

The true key to making a wonderful Rugaleh, is the dough, which must be frozen, that is the key, Frozen dough, now try to fry that one, ha


Entered at Thu Aug 1 01:45:18 CEST 2002 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: mmmm....forbidden donutttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Random blathers

"Great Satin?" Osama is going after Liberace?

When conspiracies are outlawed, only outlaws will have conspiracies (or something like that).

Food: don't forget "bottle of bread." Doesn't sound too tasty, but if Jemima would surrender some syrup, then maybe Henry will get that fly off the damn apple.

Speaking of greens. I think I mentioned this before, but is anyone familiar with the Southern dish, "wilted lettuce?" I never cared for it, but my dad sure loved it. When we'd go visit my mama (meaning grandmother), the typical dinner was soup beans, a kind of pan-fried potatos, ham (if it was Sunday), (very) boiled greenbeans (heavily salted), green onions (the skinny kind - with a small pile of salt on the table to dip it in as you ate it), whole milk, and a bowl of fresh garden lettuce with hot bacon grease poured over it.

Jesus, no wonder so many Southerners of that generation struggled with high blood pressure and heart disease. Of course, they didn't waste much - and if you were a parent during the depression feeding 11 kids and husband, just about anything can be eaten if salted heavily and bathed in fat.

Nothing new here - this is why menudo is a staple in Mexico (and tacos are usually made with heavily seasoned, ground "beef" that comes from the cow's cheeks - as in jowls).

Of course, the only reason the French got so good with sauces is historically, the slaughtered cow was a poor specimen - a healthy cow can give milk for years and a bull can sire, or turned into a eunich for plowing purposes. Pour a nice, thick, dairy-based sauce on the meat from a sickly or old bovine, and it's not nearly so chewy, and you can almost NOT taste the meat.

Funny, though. It all seems so much more honorable that whipping the saran wrap off a peice USDA choice from a cow that ate enough food to feed a family for a year - for one night's meal. Don't get me wrong, I dig my beef, but it's no wonder the trash is piling up on us.

Ok, enough prattle. Now I'm hungry.

Peace

Matt


Entered at Thu Aug 1 01:21:36 CEST 2002 from 12-249-69-3.client.attbi.com (12.249.69.3)

Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: ...now we don't want to get technical here

The Garth Video is absolutely fabulous...."I can play Danny Boy with my left hand...in four part harmony...that's what you need to do..."

The girl struggles with Garth taking his time so much it just keeps cracking me up...the Thumbs Carlisle story had me rolling. " I suggest you go to your collecter your record collecter or guitar player friend.....and ask about Thumbs"



Entered at Thu Aug 1 00:19:04 CEST 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

Posted by:

Osama

Location: The Road

Rollie, you say you don't support terrorism in any way. But don't you see, dear boy. Every statement or article that expands the idea that the U.S. government is a threat to its own people; every conspiracy theory that casts doubt on the competence and credibility of the FBI and the CIA; every web site forum comment that castigates the loyalty of men like Bush and Ashcroft; makes it just a little harder for the U.S. authorities to find us before we strike. So you see, Rollie, we feel you are helping us whether you intend to or not. You are helping to weaken the ability of the U.S. to find us on their own soil, which will only help hasten the demise of the Great Satan (Allah be praised).


Entered at Thu Aug 1 00:11:45 CEST 2002 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

.....but you'll have to have them all pulled out after the Savoy Truffle.


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