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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, August 2015


Entered at Mon Aug 31 22:11:00 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Small Town Talk

It's a lovely version of a lovely song - too bad they didn't credit Rick as well as Bobby (although perhaps much more B than R, and Geoff / Amos might well be in a position to know). Lovely voice, too - reminds me a bit of Jesse Winchester somehow. ("Now on tour, the Three Tenors: Danko, Muldaur and Winchester.")

The sentiments in the song apply pretty well to the folks who are internet-enabled to insult others at will . . . you can imagine them out there, scoring imaginary points and giving themselves high-fives . . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 31 22:04:44 CEST 2015 from (24.114.82.245)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Thank you, John D. Good times and always a good day when discovering new music. New to me, at least........Bob Landy is also a new one for me ! I've known and liked Lucky Wilbury and Jack Frost.......funny.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 21:41:08 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Small Town Talk

Love the live version. I'd say the Geoff Muldaur / Amos Garrett version on "Paul Butterfield's Better Days" is my favorite version of the song.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 21:34:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I have to say that far from getting things from books, David posted because he had and had heard the album. Music. That's what David posts about. Geoff Muldaur would be liked by most Band fans. Many great albums.

i.e. David posted about listening to music, not posting as fantasy invented personalities. Roz, you should get the Chrissie Hynde book. You could invent a whole lot more. We already had "Coach" who had never posted any music comment, just some weird campaign against Pat B. Spare us from another one.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 20:55:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Yes Kevin J that hot piano is played by Bob Landy. Just scramble the last name. Those were the days the record companies wouldn't let you guest on other people's records on a different label.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 20:52:33 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Kevin J

Get very acquainted with Geoff Muldaur. You won't be sorry.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:55:05 CEST 2015 from (94.158.77.173)

Posted by:

roz

what a sad little passed by area of the the internet this place is. I was here about 6 or 7 years ago and the same posters posted then as post now. Intellectuals with no intellect like David Powell and Peter Viney.. only getting things from books. (walks away with head bowed)


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:50:02 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I see The Band with road manager Jonathan Taplin, ca 1970...Sandwiches and Cokes with Taplin photo has been added to the website. Thank you.
I sent you an email Ben. I have a strong feeeeling that we have the other photo from this time.

Again, Scarborough, Toronto's The Weeknd doesn't disappoint.....some say he opted out of reaching the highest note.....smart if not the day to deliver.....instead song is about getting high....I Can't Feeeel My Face....at last night's VMA's and bonus.....Kanye not only proclaims he's running for 2020 Prezz...but gets up and grooves to The Weeknd!


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:39:14 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Geoff Muldaur & Amos Garrett performing "Small Town Talk" live in Japan.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 19:28:20 CEST 2015 from (24.114.82.245)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I knew that album had been recorded in Massachusetts - just saying !

Actually, while I am well aware of Maria Muldaur, I knew nothing of Geoff.

Todd.......Thank you for the tip on the Big Star doc......Looking forward to watching it...........last call on a rock doc that I have mentioned here in the past....New York Doll - the story of Arthur Kane. Wether you were a fan of the dolls or not , doesn't matter......a superb documentary.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 16:49:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. I read "Recorded at Dimension Sound, Jamaica" and failed to drop my eyes and notice on the next line "Plain, Mass."

The house band at Coxsone Dodd's Studio One in Kingston was the Sound Dimensions which is why my brain leapt immediately to Jamaica … also I'be been doing the Jimmy Cliff and the Bob Marley Toppermosts.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 15:48:57 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Peter: I have that Geoff Muldaur and the Nite Lites album on vinyl (Hannibal 1981). It was recorded at Dimension Sound Studios, located in the Jamaica Plain neighborhood of Boston. It's an entertaining collection of "jump blues" songs sung by Geoff Muldaur, Sarah Brown, Tom Principato and Kaz Kazanoff.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 13:43:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Interesting find on Saturday. Geoff Muldaur & The Nite Lites "I Ain't Drunk", produced by Joe Boyd and recorded in Kingston, Jamaica. I'd never heard of it … it includes Boogie Chillun, Caldonia, Sea Sea (sic) Rider. Had no time to play it, but will this afternoon. One of his rarer albums.


Entered at Mon Aug 31 03:04:45 CEST 2015 from (97.127.82.190)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Hiya Roz, good to hear from you. I dropped out for a while but came back in. What goes around . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 31 01:04:23 CEST 2015 from (93.115.95.204)

Posted by:

roz

I liked Ronnie the first time I ever saw him. He's a performer alright. Is he still with Wanda or has she passed over? I hope she's still here for him. He's a really, really sweet guy.. I met up with him one time. We talked music and boots and he had a Dr. Pepper not a beer... Has anyone here ever travelled the Dark Web? Boy there's some really weird stuff over here. Where's TINY MONSTER ?


Entered at Mon Aug 31 00:49:40 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: ROZ

In your dreams girl! You have some kind of mind. Reminds me of the Hawk. Would love to be a fly on the wall if you two ever got together over a few beers! You two probably know cusswords that no one else has heard. Luv It!


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:51:57 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Hmmmmm....

That's interesting Roz, I'm going to return now to the Planet Earth. I'm not sure where you posted Brown Eyed, but If you want a scan of the Vogue photo just drop me a line at the e-mail I listed.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:41:41 CEST 2015 from (5.9.36.66)

Posted by:

roz

I found a photograph from back then. Everybody looked naked and forlorn.. I mean they were wearing clothes but their faces looked naked, and they looked interalized. Shadows of future.. There's a reason why Mr. Hudson has lived so long.. he was standing there looking like he didn't carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. Levon looked angry. Has anyone read that Donald Clarke book about Billie Holiday called Wishing on the Moon? It's .. real real gone


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:39:38 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

King Biscuit, Washington DC 1976, pristine. Just the OQ. Garth on Ophelia is amazing.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 20:20:01 CEST 2015 from (185.65.135.226)

Posted by:

roz

Angelina ! My Gosh Girl.. Yeah, I kinda gave up on Skip. He kept leavin me. I been through a lot and the blues ain't heavy enuff for me anymore. I need to be beaten every night like Billie Holiday used to have to be beaten before her shows. It's the numbness ... need escalation.. Which brings me to to BONK ! I remember them E-Mails. They was somethin.. You still like your testicles to be pulled real real real hard? (oh no) I mean, I have to go to the DARK WEB in order to post in The Band's Guestbook.. If I get thrown out again I can never come back.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 19:28:00 CEST 2015 from (65.93.140.73)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hmmmm Ben. Maybe we have the same photo. Could mine have been from Vogue as well? The one I posted today is from the same shoot...........but different poses. Strike a pose you're right Ben. I'll try and post it here or send it to the webmaster and the hard core posters you mentioned (like Pat B and Peter V). They didn't even know about one of the fashionable photos for the Band's legacy. Teasing here.

So shall we split the cost Fred and split again? Thanks for sharing info.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 19:02:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

40 bucks is normal for most pre-1970 Vogue mags. The vintage magazine store in London has them at £25 to £30. But with Vintage magazines it's all down to what's on the cover. Beatles? It rockets. But then I have seen them at £3 or £4 out of London. As ever, if you ant a particular one, the price is high. Oddly, the special issues like Coronations, Jubilees and Royal Weddings aren't worth much. So many people kept them.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 18:47:13 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Strike a pose

Brown Eyed, goofing off in the College Library in the late seventies I used the subject guide (nobody has these anymore, it seems) to discover "Are The Band The Best" in Vogue, Jan 1970. and the Avadon Photo. NOT the one in the book you mentioned or obviously the back cover of Cahoots. I used to bring this up in the guest book from time to time but, as one is apt to have happen when one actually brings up The Band, nobody said anything. Anyway, it is a great shot and someone should get a copy of the magazine and dismantle it so we can scan and archive. The short Goldstein piece isn't bad either. Not surprising that not to many Band fans were paging through Vogue, but there art and music coverage was pretty hip. I am reminded that there were 2 January 1970 issues (ibi weekly I guess), but I did see the one in question on eBay for 40 bucks or best offer. Dealer was over in England... Peter, you want to make him an offer? =)


Entered at Sun Aug 30 11:06:02 CEST 2015 from (153.132.219.109)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Vacation destination?

No access to the basement apparently.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 09:44:54 CEST 2015 from (122.60.111.136)

Posted by:

Rod

BEG, nice to see Garth in the centre of the photo


Entered at Sun Aug 30 06:48:47 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I will try again with the Avedon photo of The Band. This isn't the one I found in Avedon's book so if you found this one great find Ben! The other one doesn't have Taplin in the photo.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 03:45:13 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Link Wray 74

And WTF is that bass player?


Entered at Sun Aug 30 03:43:12 CEST 2015 from (174.91.166.105)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey rozzzz. How's Skip James?

Ben...Many times when we are in Rochester we always stop by the gift shop in the George Eastman House Museum of International Photography and Film....One time while I was browsing I heard Amy Winehouse for the first time....for some reason I thought I was hearing new music by Adele...lol

Anyway, I was checking out a photo book by Avedon. I photographed one of the photos I found where Garth has food in his hands and Robbie is looking right at the camera and Levon is looking up somewhere and Richard has his fingers near his mouth and Rick is looking a bit to the side. I couldn't find that one online by Avedon so maybe I never shared the photo as I no longer have a scanner? I can't remember anymore as I don't save what I share here......but I found another one online by Avedon. Maybe one of these photos are the same one you recently found? Maybe I can send a copy of the other one to the website here if needed. Taplin is not in the one I have on my iPhotos. On my smartphone I can see the entire photo on it's own but on this burnt out computer I can only show the small photo.....third row third one.

Ok....I was watching every Toronto Raptor game.....since the Price trade I've been watching every Toronto Bluejay game. Just enjoying the ride for now!


Entered at Sun Aug 30 02:47:28 CEST 2015 from (173.165.95.35)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Band tribs

Thanks Bil M, I will check this project out some more. I think the "Endless Highway" tribute is actually pretty good, a couple of clinkers maybe.


Entered at Sun Aug 30 01:59:33 CEST 2015 from (24.108.19.210)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: ROZ

Hey Roz. What have you got, early alzheimers. I still have the e-mails we sent back and forth. Sheesh! Good to see you here. Thought you might have croaked or something.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 22:00:18 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.9)

Posted by:

Biil M

Al E: Please don't tell me that we now have to apologise for bad puns!

Ben P: I'd say that two are better than the Neil Young on Garth's tribute album - the Mary Margaret O'Hara and the Road Hammers.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:34:04 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

From 3:35 on may be the greatest 35 seconds in rock history.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:29:00 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Subject: What's left?

You know the funny thing is the person Roz describes, these days, would probably vote Republican. Anyway, I was able to get the photo to Terry Danko, who is a very friendly Facebooker and helps keep the memories burning. Not sure if he remembered or had seen it before but I got a "like." I haven't bought all of Garth's "Canadian Tribute" yet but the Neil Young is a must. Anyone else suggest any strong tracks?


Entered at Sat Aug 29 20:04:45 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: David P

Great to see your name in here, David. Are you still playing gigs around town? Please email me: carricomi at gmail. Would be good to get together & catch up.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:52:20 CEST 2015 from (77.109.141.138)

Posted by:

roz

I don't think I ever did contact anyone from the GB in all that time I posted and got thrown out and posted and got thrown out and then I got linked and scrammed out.. anyway, Ya'll remember that chilling shot in the film where during the soundstage performance ending ... How evryone just walked away from one another.. Levon just walked out with a vengeance, Robbie kneeled down on the stage and spoke with his cohorts and Richard and Rick walked too. That was one of the most icy, final and saddest shot I ever seen...


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:37:18 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

roz, contact Ben and have him send you the Avedon photo. You may cry for days.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:25:01 CEST 2015 from (109.163.234.4)

Posted by:

roz

Hey PB.. Good to hear from ya. I was just back there reading that littleinterview with Garth and Maud. As they spoke about Rick I felt all hot in the face and began to cry..Gosh.. what a bunch of beautiful boys. And their fans ain't bad neither !


Entered at Sat Aug 29 18:01:13 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

roz, that was your hand.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 17:23:14 CEST 2015 from (77.109.141.138)

Posted by:

roz

Hey someone post that photo. Hey Ben.. nice to see ya. I ain't right wing no more Ben . I got Rainbow feathers growin out my ass and a plastic dong strap-on in front and one of those militant lesbian haircuts and I don't be wearing no clothes on the streets. It's fun. I don't have a job either so I collect welfare and claim a limp from protests where one hateful copper ran into my leg and busted my kneecap. That's I can get free marijuana, Gabapentin and Lorazapam. And ya'lls right about Brennan He is a tool. I used him once but he bent in the middle and never regained..sort of like Obama


Entered at Sat Aug 29 16:37:54 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: The story of the hare who lost his spectacles

What happened to Jethro Tull Fan? I wanted his take on last years' expanded (and totally ignored) release of "A Passion Play."


Entered at Sat Aug 29 16:15:36 CEST 2015 from (64.134.160.150)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: While I'm about

If you want your own copy of the Avadon photo and Richard Goldstein blurb about the The Band, you have to hunt down a January 1970 copy of Vogue, difficult but not impossible. Roz, my old right wing pal, the definitive "Last Waltz" spoof will always be SCTV's "Last Polka" which was probably done for Cinemax and was on video but never, I think, DVD. This spoofs the Waltz down to set and camera angles. Many thought there were elements of Waltz ribbing in "Spinal Tap" as well.....


Entered at Sat Aug 29 13:43:25 CEST 2015 from (70.193.168.14)

Posted by:

David P

I haven't read the recent Bert Berns bio, but I do know a little about his background. Having worked as a producer for Atlantic Records, his original partners in the BANG label were Ahmet & Nesuhi Ertegun and Gerald (Jerry) Wexler, the company taking its name from the first letters of their first names. After his death his wife Ilene moved the company here to Atlanta. The label's catalog was later sold to CBS but the family retained the publishing end. So Sony now controls the BANG recordings.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 12:10:55 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach HD

What a tool you are, Brennan.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 07:25:53 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ben is correct. The photo is startling as it totally goes against their rather austere image of the time. I for one am thankful he found it and shared it.


Entered at Sat Aug 29 05:05:01 CEST 2015 from (70.194.98.241)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Subject: Hey

Hey I went back and found a Richard Avadon photo of THE BAND from their prime that I don't think any of the hardcore who have been posting for years even knew about ..... HELLO???????????


Entered at Sat Aug 29 01:32:38 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Rhiannon Giddens

Rhiannon does Hank. Just takes your breath away.

Looking forward to remastered Link Wray.

Be good.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 23:53:42 CEST 2015 from (94.242.246.23)

Posted by:

roz

This morning I was caching up on those spoof documentaries with Fred Armison and Bill Hader and as it was going off and mentioning future shows I spied a still with Fred Armison in red light lookin Last Waltz set wearing an expensive lookin wig looking kinda like Fred would look like Robbie. (yeah right) Does anyone know whether they're spoofing TLW next week or later in the season.. I mean, afterall, The Last Waltz WAS a documentary.. mockumentary made-upmentary.. something like that.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 22:54:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brian Rix

Al, as we know, Starting in 1950 (from Wiki):

During the next 18 years, Rix presented more than 90 one-night-only television farces on the BBC. These were often presented at Christmas or on other bank holidays and were hugely popular, with viewing figures regularly topping 15 million. In the early 1960s Rix was the highest paid actor (along with Robert Morley) to appear on BBC TV. Alongside the regulars from his theatre company, Rix appeared in these TV productions with such names as: Dickie Henderson, Dora Bryan, Joan Sims, Ian Carmichael, John Le Mesurier, Robertson Hare, Patrick Cargill, Fabia Drake, Ann Firbank, David Jacobs, Henry Kendall, Sheila Hancock, Warren Mitchell, Thora Hird, Jan Holden, Brian Reece, Muriel Pavlow and Francis Matthews. Only 6 of his 90 farces remain in the BBC archive, however. The earliest were never recorded and many of the latest were wiped along with many other memorable programmes. This may go some way to explain why Brian Rix is so rarely mentioned in retrospective programmes looking at the early days of television.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:45:50 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, the Link Wray set sounds interesting. He is a very underrated artist. I have a couple of live cd's from late on his career and he was a pretty credible singer. I also have a couple of cd's that he cut with rockabilly revivalist Robert Gordon in the late 70's.

Dunc, you should definitely seek out the Big star documentary. It does cover The Box Tops briefly as well as Chilton's solo career and re-formed Big Star. It is pretty amazing what Chilton sounded like at 16 or 17 on the Box Tops material. I remember watching 'American Idol' a few days after Chilton died and one of the contestants sang 'The Letter' which I momentarily thought was done as a tribute to Chilton, but neither the singer nor any of the judges mentioned him afterwards which I thought was pretty cold.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:21:43 CEST 2015 from (109.148.23.96)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Ben and Todd

Alex Chilton had a link with Teenage Fan Club and turned up in Glasgow several times, including recording a session with Teenage Fan Club for Radio Scotland.

I was a big fan of the Box Tops in the sixties and still play the greatest hits regularly.

I bought Big Star's greatest hits. I'll have to return to it.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:14:41 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Test … having problems getting through.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 21:00:18 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: You simply wouldn't Adam and Eve it [sorry Bill]

Binter - that's uncanny mate.

Would you believe exactly the same thing happened to me!

It's like a Brian Rix farce!!

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 28 19:36:48 CEST 2015 from (185.17.135.56)

Posted by:

Binter

Web: My link

Once we came across a hoard of bottles in the backyard of one of the bombed houses. Can't remember exactly how much we got but it was enough to buy a packet of wrigleys chewie for each of us. Nirvana.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 19:06:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sherbert fountains to you, Al.

How about Brian Rix live farce from the Whitehall Theatre on Bank Holiday Mondays? One of the TV pleasures of the late 50s and early 60s.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 18:38:00 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Logs on:

Not a single fresh childhood reminscence to be seen

Logs off

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:59:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bert Berns … I must get the bio. See “No Surrender” by Johnny Rogan. The appendices quote Bang contracts. Both Van and Neil Diamond got a £2500 advance. Berns was “connected” and when Diamond tried to leave, a show was “disrupted” and his new manager was badly beaten. Diamond sent his family away, asked for NYPD police protection and got a gun.

Rogan continues that “Van had to get out of town. Literally.” Apparently, there were threats to his immigration status and threats to set up a fake drugs bust. Berns died, but the “wise guys” who had backed him demanded and got $20,000 in cash from Van. He had signed with Warners of his own accord. See pages 221-223. His release cost him 36 songs, which is why he did “Blowin’ Your Mind.”

Rogan says The Berns Estate later sued Van for all the songs written between March 1967 and March 1972.

I guess that's why he writes songs like Big Time Operator.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:36:58 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, did you read the recent Bert Berns bio? Awfully good.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 17:07:56 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The Stones That I Throw'

Not that it is a major issue, but I wrote to both Sebastian and to Robbie Robertson at their Facebook site to ask if Robbie could confirm that my memory was correct. The question was if "The Stones That I Throw" was ever played on stage (my recollection - Am I imagining this?) was that Levon and the Hawks were on stage alone at Massey Hall before Bob Dylan came out on 15 Nov. 1965 and played this song. To date, I have not received a response. I also have asked Garth Hudson at his site to see if he recalls this. A small question, but one that to me (and maybe one or two others) might be relevant. Its more for my reassurance of my memory but also would be (in my view) an important piece of concert information. John D. confirms that it was NOT played the night before at Massey Hall.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 16:12:15 CEST 2015 from (70.193.168.14)

Posted by:

David P

So did Warner buy out Van's contract with Bert Berns and in return, to offset the expense, retained the rights to his early WB albums? Another Last Waltz guest, Neil Diamond, also recorded for Berns' Bang label early in his career.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 15:34:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Link Wray

One of the very greatest Americana albums ever. Just listening. Remastering is SO good it's a veil lifted, as the old ads for CD used to say.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 14:38:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Ben. Not up on amazon.co.uk yet. Hope it's not market-restricted.

This Friday release day works well with amazon pre-orders. Here on the day of issue. The one I'm itching to unwrap is "Three Track Shack" from Ace. It's a further remaster of Link Wray (Link Wray / Mordecai Jones / Beans and Fatback) but differs including the whole of Mordecai Jones and Beans and Fatback. Ace Records, as is London-American Year By Year 1966, and Reaching Out: Chess Records at Fame Studios. Three new ACE albums!


Entered at Fri Aug 28 14:07:20 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, In my opinion, the biggest Van news is that expanded versions of 'Astral Weeks' and 'His Band and the streetchoir' were just announced for October release. The listings are up on amazon already. 'Astral Weeks' will include long versions of 'Ballerina' and 'Slim Slow Slider'

Regarding the bulk if Van's catalog that is being reissued on Sony, I'll take a bit of "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. I recall that parts of Van's catalog was remastered and expanded with bonus tracks about 10 or 15 years ago and an additional batch of titles which I believe included 'St. Dominic's Preview' was announced and never appeared.

Todd, I also watched the Big Star documentary recently. It was well done, but I was a little disappointed that there was no performance footage of Big Star from the 70's. Alex Chilton was a fascinating person who left quite a catalog of music to explore.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 12:48:06 CEST 2015 from (83.249.165.104)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Rockin Chair

No wonder Jeff A had his thoughts about RockinChair/Westcoaster's identity. I have - just for fun and interest - tried to find the position of ships in anti-collision system for vessels at sea and AIS vessel tracking system of marine traffic. Unfortunately, I have not found neither Westcoaster or Rockin Chair. The most obvious reason is that you don't have a responder. In case you have turned it off accidently or it does not work consider yourself as a lucky man because someone from other side of the globe is telling you this. - And the best of all: you can always find your own tug by using this system if you should have forgotten where you left it after your birthday party.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 08:52:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beatles vinyl

Might give it a whirl, Todd. Like The Band vinyl, I was delighted to see the release, but I had bought it all when it was new anyway, so have original pressings. But I also had a Dansette auto changer record player (£25) in those days with a heavy arm (though I always looked after records well). The Band was when I switched to a Garrard reasonable deck, and anyway I got extra copies of the first two later.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 06:00:14 CEST 2015 from (32.216.248.152)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Beatles Vinyl

By the way, the Beatles vinyl that I referred to in my previous post, is the recent reissue project from 2014. These are the mono vinyl mastered from the original tapes using an all analog process. Really nice clean quiet and full bodied sound. Highly reccomended for any fans of Beatles mono vinyl.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 05:35:37 CEST 2015 from (32.216.248.152)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: This and That

Been out of the loop for quite a while now.

Kevin J., no worries. Didn't get mugged after my Last Waltz vieiwing earlier this Summer. Just busy and distracted by other things. Always better to see TLW in a theater on a big screen with a good sound system. My second time so far. Time well spent.

After the Rolling Stones/Brian Jones conversation a while back, I wanted to learn more about Brian, and the formation of the Stones and I spent some time reading the book, 'Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones' by Paul Trynka. Quite interesting, and filled in quite a few gaps in my knowledge of the early days. I'm currently re-reading a Keith Richards bio by Victor Bokris. Interesting to get a somewhat different slant on many of the same events.

One interesting revelation from the Trynka book, is that 'Ruby Tuesday' was largely composed by Jones and Richards, yet credit for the song was ultimately tagged with the Jagger-Richards brand. Hmmmm

Other things I've been doing is watching the Ginger Baker documentary that Kevin J. has rccomended on more than one occasion. Very interesting, and got me listening to Cream again with a fresh perspective. Also watched a documentary on Big Star titled 'Nothing Can Hurt Me'. Have also been listening to a lot of Beatles music on some recent vinyl reissues that I picked up. Wondeful stuff!

Spent a week at the Outer Banks in North Carolina, and another week on Cape Cod in Massachusettes. Nothing clears out the cobwebs for me better than floating in the Atlantic Ocean.....in between the various Shark sightings. Saw a seal get attacked and killed by a Great White just 15 yards offshore from where we had spent the afternoon at the beach. Very sobering moment, and they temporarily closed the beach for swimming, but we were back in the water the next day....with our shark goggles on. Carpe Diem!

Happy Birthday to Norm, and I don't mean to nitpick or pile on, but I noticed the other day when the movie 'The Gangs of New York' was mentioned, that you referred to "The 5 Points" as being the 5 areas of NYC, by which I assume you meant the 5 Bouroughs that make up NYC. The 5 points referred to in the movie, was actually a notorious slum in lower Manhattan, where the movie was set. There were three roads that intersected, and made up the 5 points area. The area has long since been reconfigured, to the point where the 5 points doesn't really exist anymore.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 04:43:36 CEST 2015 from (74.12.48.242)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

Peter V: Thanks for the link to Family's "Burlesque". I was surprised that some of it sounded familiar, so I guess I must've heard it on FM radio back in the day. I had their first LP for awhile in the mid-'70s (when my college radio station sold its LPs for a nickel each), but didn't care for it. But "Burlesque" is terrific. Reminds me of long-running local band Leigh Ashford - whose only hit is at link. The bassist introduced me to his (still) close friend Peter Traynor (Robbie Robertson's boyhood chum and bandmate) in the late '70s, which was exciting for me at the time. And the keyboardist was from my highschool.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 02:35:38 CEST 2015 from (173.3.49.139)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ian, when you discuss young people, and mobility/ freedom that means 14, 15, as you were, even means 10,-13. and 16, 17, maybe more depending upon income class of the kid or the family, definitely, on the whole, they have infinitely less mobility and freedom. You were a lucky 14, 15 year old, that's damn sure...

Norm, have a safe Birth / Labor Day. Don't drown, please. You're touched at my concern? Well, we have some communicating to do. I'm beat, way too tired to think straight to write correctly, and the next few days are full. Your"potted" history as Al referred to it is very inaccurate. I'll clear it up some.

Through the "soda break" i was determined not to go back pedal through the posts. I saw no need, especially cause once you engaged , it was clear you were drunk, enraged and looking for a battle- while for the most part i was trying to avoid one. Yet it was very clear you were gonna have yours...Right after you bugged out, i wrote you that if you asked me to explain why you should apologize to yourself i would. Well, you never asked me outright. But you did ask with your behavior.

When i respond to you next, i'll attempt to make it as simple as possible. It should be pretty easy, cause a good part, in fact the thrust of the rebuttle to your main argument in the "soda break" and even your words to Mike Nomad, well, it was written by you. .

Believe me, i'd much prefer that none of this was necessary. and so far after, it's rather ridiculous. But either i walk, without answering you on the subject, or i do. And you have an opportunity. Stay safe, cause you are on the verge of a major breakthrough. Possibly a new age - you have an opportunity to add some extra dimension to your final stage, well hopefully quarter of life. In all sincerity, when it comes round, try not to fuck this up. And consider that words,even sentences, even paragraphs, can often mean very different things depending upon how you look at them, or even how you don't look at them.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 01:24:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van

I'm not sure that the issue with TLW is that it's Warner. It came later. The issue with the earlier Warner albums was not with Warner itself so much as with the Bert Berns Estate and that he had to give them total ownership of those albums. They happen to be tied in to Warner, but I wouldn't think TLW was part of the problematic deal. I believe he did have issues with Warner over reissuing etc, but the Berns deal is the root issue.


Entered at Fri Aug 28 01:08:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van Morrison

David: It’s ironic when you think of the introduction of 45 rpm records v 33 rpm records it was considered a Columbia (33) v RCA (45) war. And now they’re all Sony. There are similar conglomerate ironies, but that's the biggest one.

The Van M. De Luxe Legacy editions seem odd choices … Hard Nose The Highway? Enlightenment? Hard Nose The Highway was considered by critics to be his weakest album (though I guess a couple or three others have been weaker since). It’s worth having just for Warm Love, but Side Two might be his worst LP side. It’s Too Late To Stop Now and St Dominic’s Preview are fantastic though. When “Wavelength” got fans to vote at one point, Beautiful Vision was the surprise first choice.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 22:35:45 CEST 2015 from (74.71.56.97)

Posted by:

Ari

Location: Flatbush

Subject: Joan

A fellow Mets fan! My grandmother has been waiting for years! So cool you know the pitching coach. Maybe this year we can hope for more than just a Buckner. Well, actually, we'll take anything at this point. - Ari.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 20:51:51 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Tupelo Honey

WB David.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 20:38:49 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David p

I overlooked it before but notice that "Tupelo Honey" (released in 1971) is not listed as part of Van's new deal with Sony. Is it also owned by Warner?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:49:55 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Various (all non-Band)

I have kept a watching brief in here of late, as I’ve been largely elsewhere engaged, and there have been some interesting topics.

I used to live not far from “LAP” (as “London Air Port” was then called, now Heathrow) and I, too, paid many a visit to the roof gardens at the Queen’s Building and the next door terminal building. This was mainly in the late-1950s but a bit in the very early-1960s. Where I lived, where so many people worked at LAP or in businesses associated with it, you were either interested in aviation or not.

Peter V mentioned working as a postman at Christmas. I did that for four years. In the other school holidays, though, it was LAP. I worked several times at the cafés on the roof gardens at the airport, so may have served you, Peter. One stint was when the Rolling Stones’ “Come On” was released, so the summer of 1963.

Another time, I worked on the North Side of the airport,mainly the cargo area by then, for an import-export company that handled the products of Phillips in Holland.

Yet another summer, I worked for BOAC inside their main hangars, in an office overlooking the aircraft and their maintenance crews. In those days, aircraft didn’t fly the long distances they do today, so they stopped off en route to re-fuel. The job was to calculate the fuel costs for each leg of a flight and thus the total for the whole journey.

Rhyming slang: I have never heard the suggested rhymes for “parky” before. While rhyming slang usually involves dropping the word that provides the rhyme, that is not always so. “Brown bread” (meaning “dead”), for example, is always expressed in full: “You’ll be brown bread if you do that”. It is never shortened to just “brown”. On the other hand, “toast”, meaning much the same, is always just expressed as “toast” and that may be because “toast” is a synonym for “brown bread”. Does that seem right?

Street play and more: I was brought up on two council estates (social housing). We kids played in the streets constantly, mostly soccer (which we called "footer" more than “footie”, I seem to recall). Sometimes we went off to the local “rec” (see one of Peter V’s previous posts) but mostly it was street play. And we got to wander away from where we lived a lot, too, say up to a couple of miles or so. As we got older, we were able to roam even more widely, at first on our bicycles (sometimes 10 miles or more away, occasionally over 20 miles from home). Later still, using bus passes for the day (Red Rovers and Green Rovers) we travelled all over.

My mother worked for an airline that offered travel at staff rates (as long as there was a spare seat on the plane) - and as often as I could afford it on my pocket money and cash for other jobs. At the age of 14 (almost 15 but actually still 14) I flew to Paris for the day on my own. Five months later, now 15, I flew up to Glasgow for a weekend on my own, sleeping the night in the airport terminal (it's wonderful what a return air ticket will do for an inquisitive policeman) and, still 15, to Amsterdam on my own for the day.

My point here is not to boast but to say that nowadays, despite greater affluence and the ability to keep in touch with mobile phones, young people seem not to have the same degree of freedom. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way it seems to me.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:20:54 CEST 2015 from (66.99.114.250)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Strike a pose!

Well, I always meant to do it and now I have. I went back and found the Jan 1970 issue of Vogue and Richard Alvedon's photo (different shot than Cahoots or the one in his collection of Rock Stars Photos book) with Richard Goldstein's little blurb about the group. It is taken from a library stack book and stretches to two pages, so the scan I have is highly flawed. To get a good one you would need your own copy of the mag that you could take apart (difficult to find, not impossible.) Email me and I'll send you one, it's still kind of neat. lovenstein22@gmail.com


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:18:33 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mike Nomad, that is a great memory.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:13:56 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Sir George Ivan Morrison

Rubbing salt in the wound, Warner also controls the rights to Van's Last Waltz recording of "Caravan" with The Band. However, there is another excellent live version on "It's Too Late To Stop Now," which is part of the new Sony deal. That album, along with "Saint Dominic's Preview," "Hard Nose Highway," and "Enlightenment," are slated to get the Deluxe Edition treatment by Legacy, raising the possibility of the inclusion of bonus material.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:12:02 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

First of all I'd like to wish Norm a very happy birthday we old folks have to stick together.

I'm a Mets fan which has been agony for the last few years, but this year it looks like a really got it together. It's exciting. A friend of ours is the pitching coach for the Mets


Entered at Thu Aug 27 19:08:22 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Overload

Jerry when I lived in Langley in the 80's. Jordie was 12 and in hockey, soccer and base ball. Craig was 5 and first year hockey. There would come the time in the spring when Jordie would be involved in all three sports as the hockey season was ending. Soccer was winding down and base ball was getting into full swing.......FULL SWING! YIKES.

I was running myself ragged. I will never forget Craig's start in hockey. I was helping coach. If anyone was in Craig's way he'd grab hold of them and pull them down. I would tell him Craig! you can't do that. So this 5 year old looks at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Well he's in my way!" :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 18:48:16 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Fergie

Still remember the night at an Erieau, Ont., cottage party back in the eighties when Fergie shared some of his weed with me. A very quiet, gracious man. He signed a baseball for my kid when he was with . . . Boston? . . . at Tiger Stadium.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 18:16:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Vic

Subject: Pop again (this time, pop up flies)

Kids: Norm and all: I got my boys (2) going when they were 4 or 5: hockey sticks and baseball gloves for both and to the field or ball hockey area daily when possible to learn to catch and to stickhandle and shoot. Those were great times. What a thrill, especially, to see the boys catch high fly balls after so much effort.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:43:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Fergie was also a confirmed pothead which in those days raised his estimation in my eyes.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:41:17 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, we're--sorry, I mean the Hawks--are going to have three Russians this year too.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:34:56 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Justin Morneau

A really good BC boy and what a record!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:30:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hawks

Pat I'm sure you must know. The Hawks have more Canadian players than any other NHL team, and in fact, more from BC.

Jerry I may have told you about this boy before. My youngest brother Lorne's wife's older sister's son......is Justin Morneau. You probably know who he plays for and his stats. When he was a kid he would at times be visiting his aunt Debbie, my brothers wife. Lorne and I may be trying to play music and kick Justin out of the way. Have you seen the size of that boy now? My god!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:26:10 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Ferguson Jenkins: Canada's star baseball player when there were none

Da Cubs: Time to remember Chatham, Ontario's own Ferguson Jenkins: Cy Young : 20 game winner 8 times:Baseball Hall of Fame. How did a Canadian do this? Talent and practice. That's how you get to 'Carnegie Hall'.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:20:08 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Van the Man

Van Morrison licensed the rights to those albums to Sony through his Exile Productions Ltd. Haven't seen any information as to the length of the licensing deal. He recently released his Duets album on RCA, which is part of Sony nowadays.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:20:10 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

JT, no problem, since my love of Chicago sports extends to the Cubs and Sox (sorry Coach SD, I know I have nothing to do with them). With Kane's problems, we're lucky to have the world's most exciting young team right here in Wrigley Field.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:19:18 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The best of times

All this sports talk, and the local childhood games, (childhood it seems is prolonged in many of us when it comes to street hockey and ball.)

But did you guys ever do this. With both my sons. Just standing in the yard sometimes for more than an hour throwing a baseball or football back and forth. Playing catch, a time to talk, or at the field kicking a soccer ball into the goal. Some of the conversations were the best of times.

We never had any of the great adventures like, "Stand By Me".


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:10:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Neighbours

Pat B: Maybe it'll stop but check the score sheets for NYY and TBJ for the past 20 games. I'm a big NYY fan (always have been) but their directions in the past week or two have been opposite. If the Jays go down (and in baseball anything can happen), I'll be right there behind the Bronx bombers. For now, its a great ride. And by the way, check out those Mets. Its fun for a Canadian to watch baseball succeed in at least 1 city. We're putting massive people into the stands everywhere and TV ratings have never been higher. And again, David Price and Josh Donaldson! Wow! And David P: you can talk hockey all you want, even from the USA. Its OK. Sharing is good.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:10:13 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: stars &STARS

I agree with you about Phil Kessel Jerry. I think all you saw in that guys face the last couple of years was frustration. I also agree with your take on Mike Babcock & company. It should be a very different show now.

What I'm looking forward to seeing is how Kessel and Crosby get along. That maybe that horse of a different colour.

I'm glad you cleared that up Mike. I was trying to figure out how you arrived at 2 for 0. I even tried using a pencil :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:06:33 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Three for 3

Actually, Kevin is 3/3. 1) journalist 2) Expos were important to Canada 3) bad decision by Jays


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:05:24 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

A bunch of Canadians discussing baseball. If you live long enough...

Sadavid already posted this but I thought it deserved a second mention. A superb copy of the Palladium 76 show, a stunning reminder of the might of the OQ.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:03:45 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Exposition/ Canada's maybe 'other team' someday

Kevin J: yes, hopefully we will get a Montreal team back again. Can Montreal fans support baseball?

There was much more to 'contraction' but I would have preferred the Blue Jays to have supported Expos at that time. But it wouldn't have mattered. As you know, executive decisions are usually made before voting ever occurs. Its a messy business whenever dollars and income dictates.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 17:02:14 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

And by two for 0, I of course mean two for two.

Another coffee, please.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:59:37 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

You're batting two for 0 with me, Kevin: on the uncontested Trump eviction of the Hispanic journalist and the so-called "Canada's team." Good calls.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:59:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'The future looks bright: I gotta wear shades'

So, Norm, now you've done it. I'll get it from all sides (Kevin, Landmark and many others but that's what you get when you support the Leafs). So, here goes...

You are correct, Norm. Leadership has been a problem, from the old guard of the 70s (you know who they were) to who currently ran the show. But now we have Mike Babcock and Lou from New Jersey running the ship. Larry and the braintrust have finally figured out that leadership at the top had to change and with that change has come a 5 year plan that will ultimately lead to success. My only criticism; sending Phil Kessel away. We are in the minority on this one. Most hockey pundits dislike his approach. My answer to that is that there are maybe 5 players in the entire NHL that can do the one thing that Kessel could do .... score goals. Yes, his +/- was a big problem and for serious hockey analysts who look at stats, this is a big issue. But good leadership and coaching can find ways to use such a player to the team's best advantage. Watch. Wessel the Penguin will come back to bite the Leafs. He's got 5 years and 200 goals still left in him and with the right leadership, he will be an all star. Why could they not wait 1 year to see what he could do with the new leadership? What underlies this (in my view) bad decision. Nevertheless, I look forward to some increasingly good years in Toronto hockey.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:56:36 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Expos

That is quite true Kevin, you must have seen recently tho' they are looking very seriously at reviving that franchise.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:52:03 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Blue Jays - Not Canada's Team

Long forgotten by most but not me.......Major League Baseball took a vote for contraction a decade and a half ago.....the Blue Jays - self appointed "Canada's team" could have abstained. They didn't.....they voted YES to contraction of the Montreal Expos.....the very team that paved the way or an international presence in MLB and was a massive influence on baseball in Canada and the Blue Jays. Never to be forgotten.....Not Canada's team even if a Montreal kid ( who got his start with the Expos ) has built it.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:45:36 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The bull pen

I meant to say in that last post, the bull pen is pretty damn scary this year. I'd like to see them win for the fans in Toronto. They have stuck by those Leafs for so long they deserve some kind of show for their money. Tickets to these sports aren't cheap.

It sure seems to me that the Maple Leafs management has been at fault a lot the way they have let that team slip. The costs to fans in these sports really are out of line to pay these young people their huge salaries.

About 1997 98 I managed a small tow boat outfit in Courtenay. The sawmill that we towed logs to had season tickets to the Vancouver Grizzlies basket ball games. A couple of times when no one was able to go I was offered the tickets. I had 4 tickets so I took my two youngest, Craig & Amanda and a friend of Craig's. The first time we went Craig looked at these tickets and said wow Dad do you know what you got here. I say tickets I don't know. He says Dad these are "Club Seats" well......you come into under ground parking that is reserved. You come up through private passage ways not for the general public into the best mid court seats. I found out what they were worth. $200 a ticket which included the parking and access to the private lounge. So with ferry fares, the tickets and a bit of food for the kids and a couple of beer that is over a thousand bucks!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 16:22:42 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Blue Jay Way

We're in Vic right now; watch the games every afternoon or evening after work. Won't see todays - its at 10:30 AM (afternoon game in Texas). David Price is a surgeon on the mound. His approach is infectious. The pitchers are all incisive and accurate and the bullpen is superb. The lineup is incredible. Canada's team has a shot this year. Unlikely to see any games live in Toronto as our schedules are at odds with that likelihood this year. I used to have 1/4 seasons tickets 20 years ago but those went when I moved part time (most of the time as it is now) to Vic.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:47:28 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Jays

Where are you right now Jerry? There is one reason I could go to Toronto, to watch a game. Maybe a chance in Seattle. In the 80's when I lived in Langley a buddy of mine, Stu Kehoe was manager of the Vancouver Canadians. We used to get down to games at Nat Bailey stadium quite often. I love ball games.

Saw the Lions at BC Place a few times.

Thanks for the wishes my friends

The comments about bottle pickers. That goes on out here all the time. Around the docks in Port Hardy local natives are always scrounging bottles to get a cheap bottle of wine. However out on the highways like driving down the highway to Campbell River there are a lot of senoirs out on the road with their high viz vests on collecting cans and bottles.

There is a guy who lives here in Port Alice, he is a millionaire. You never see that guy go by a can or bottle without throwing it in the back of his truck. I don't have much to do with this guy. A friend told me a while back that this guy took his wife on a holiday to Hawaii with the money he made from collecting cans & bottles.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:19:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: For he's a jolly good fellow/Jays

How about Canada's team, Toronto Blue Jays, hanging out at the top and slaughtering all foes with a lineup that is feared and a player that may be MVP.

Happy birthday, Norm. Many more as you enjoy all that is Norm.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 15:10:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Chief

No excitement in my childhood Al from the age of about 9 to 13 we lived on ten acres in the Fraser Valley. We had very big gardens for our food. I was made to weed and cultivate them. I had a paper route delivering news papers that covered about 8 miles. I had one old lady I cut firewood for and two other places I moved lawns. That's how I made my living.

The last customer on my paper route was a young man with a couple of small kids. He had a very big dog there. Chief wasn't his. The owners had to move into an apartment where they weren't allowed pets so left the dog with these folks. They didn't really want him. Well Chief took to me. I was 10 at the time.

One day when I delivered the paper I was in a hurry as I had a ball game to play. It was a ride of about 6 miles on my bike. I'm pedaling like hell up the road and I hear click,click,click behind me. I turn around and there is Chief right behind me. I was frustrated. I take him back and the man says to me, Norm you take that dog with. I will talk to the owners he belongs with you. I took him with me kind of worried I was going to catch hell for this. As soon as my mum saw him Chief was mine. He never left me until I was 24. He got rheumatism in his back end so bad he couldn't stand and I had to have him put down.

Chief was a Scotch collie nearly all white with a brown patch on one side and a brown head. When I was 15 my old man made me get out to work. So out to the logging camps I went. One day my younger brother said to my mum. Mum do you know that Chief goes over every day to meet the school bus waiting to see Norm get off. He was definitely this man's best friend.

We never played ball or hockey in the streets. We lived right across the road from the elementary school. When ever we had time in the evening most guys in the area showed up at the ball field. We played a ball game called "scrub". 2 or 3 guys at bat. When one was put out he went to the field. Everyone in the filed moved up one place. So in a rotation everyone got a turn at bat that way.

As small kids our evening game was "kick the can". One guy was "it". A jam can was placed in a certain location. Every one hid when the guy or girl who was "it" found one of us you had to run and kick the can before the it person did. If you weren't successful you are now it.

However as kids when we lived near the beach we sure were into building rafts out of drift wood and being sailors awright.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 14:42:36 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: next-to-last waltz

Or, anyway, a couple of months prior . . . link is to an MP3 set of The Band with the Howard Johnson horns taped from a WBCN-FM broadcast 18 September 76.

I've only sampled, but it all seems pretty _con brio_, a high-spirited, fully caffeinated event. Too much cocola, maybe. It was probably a mistake to take "Twilight" so briskly; it doesn't really cut it as an advertising jingle, but it's an interesting experiment . . . .


Entered at Thu Aug 27 13:18:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We still had the rag 'n' bone man in the late 50s … and like Steptoe and Son with a horse and cart. I also remember that at youth club in the 60s, they'd send us out knocking on doors looking for old newspapers for church funds. We'd collect a mountain of them and they must have got money for them. Hmm, makes me think. Maybe I should be charging the council for collecting my "blue bin" (recyclable paper and glass) rather than them charging me rates.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 12:18:03 CEST 2015 from (109.148.23.96)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: A preacher on an orange crate

Solomon, Peter and Al. That was the big news last week, you'll not be allowed to take empty irn bru bottles back to the shop soon to get the depost money.

As a child, I used to love if somebody gave me some empty bottles to take back to the shop or old clothes to take to the 'Raggy'.

We used to have a guy who came by our house shouting, 'Any old beer bottles ladies please?' hoping to collect enough bottles to get money for drink for that evening. Times of poverty.

Band link. I love 'Rags and Bones'. With all of this talk of streets, Robbie captures the feel of a city brilliantly in this song.

This is a masterpiece. Brilliant music, brilliant musicians. Defining guitar playing by Robbie. I'm not a musician, but I know it is Robbie playing...playing brilliantly. And the way the music comes together is brilliant, I can't describe this excellence in musical terms.

And, dare I say it, could Ray Charles sing as well as Richard?

Brilliant images in the lyrics. One of the great Band songs. It's the sixties in Toronto?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 11:14:45 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The farthing

Am I right that the farthing had a wren on the tail face Pete?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 11:10:30 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The last resort of the farthing.

Yes, black jacks and fruit salad. A farthing each. In 1960 they had to switch to four for a penny when the farthing went, but you could still buy two for a halfpenny. These were "chews" - like hard toffee. Ruined my teeth on them.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:44:00 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Four for a penny!!

Spot on.

Also I seem to recall similar ones to black jacks in wrappers called fruit salads???


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:42:33 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Wow -

I'm impressed.

A proverbial goldmine that Pete.

We could also get a free portion of chips - a fourpennyworth - if we took a stack of newspapers back to the fish 'n' chip shop. Imagine the hygiene issues with that now!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:21:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We crossed in the ether, Al. Thanks for confirming it was 3d. That's what I'd remembered. You will recall that 3d is TWELVE Black Jacks.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:18:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Deposits on empties

Most IrnBru is in plastic or cans now. As we’re on nostalgia, in the 1950s I spent my summers with my cousin who lived near Heathrow airport. In those days there was a large deposit on all glass bottles (3d, or three old pence, I think). People always took them back to the shop. My cousin and I spent many afternoons at Heathrow, watching the planes from the roof of the Queens Building. (And yes we collected registration numbers and ticked them off in a book you could buy). For some reason, people at Heathrow never took bottles back, just left them on the roof. We used to collect them and take them back, and when they declined to pay our 3d anymore we used to carry about twelve empties each back to Hounslow in rucksacks (where he lived) and cashed them in. The shops didn’t care … they were credited for the returns, but tended to insist we spend it there in the shop. As they were all sweet shops, that’s why I got fat and spotty in my early teens.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 10:11:20 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pop bottles

Solomon - another great memory triggered - hard to believe it but we used to get a threepenny bit for every returned bottle.

Once we came across a hoard of bottles in the backyard of one of the bombed houses. Can't remember exactly how much we got but it was enough to buy a packet of wrigleys chewie for each of us. Nirvana.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:47:02 CEST 2015 from (92.18.176.146)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Sky Arts - Classic Albums and Ain't In It For My Health

This morning on Sky Arts starting at 9:30 am - The Band toured with Bob Dylan and achieved great success in the 60s and 70s. Follow the story behind the Canadian group's classic self-titled album. Then after that it's Levon Helm: Ain't In It For My Health. Jacob Hatley's intimate documentary follows Levon Helm, founding member of influential roots rock group The Band, as he creates his first studio album in 25 years.

Both are well worth another watch on a cold and wet morning.

Dunc - I was reading you can't take those iconic Irn-Bru empty bottles back after December 31 2015. It was such a great thing taking the empty ginger bottles back to the shop.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:38:53 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Bit deflated here

Just saw the title of your post Norm - a little bit of history - and got excited, thinking I was in for a real treat about your childhood adventures and games on that incredible West Coast of yours.

Instead it was a potted summation of your GB history. What a bummer.

Fer fecks sake Norm - we need the real stuff. Not all the boring internet shite. You're our very own Huck Finn!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 27 09:00:09 CEST 2015 from (122.60.111.136)

Posted by:

Rod

A store down town now has the full set of the OQs Capitol vinyl releases (actually I didn't see Cahoots). Made me feel all nostalgic. I only kept my original pressings so might buy a couple to hang on the wall


Entered at Thu Aug 27 08:50:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Happy birthday, Norm. In another dimension, we could all be in Belfast on Monday watching Van and drinking IrnBru.

On Donald Trump, seek out the Selina Scott piece in the Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago. BBC piece on Selina's article liked - the original article is subscriber only, but essential knowledge.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 08:10:24 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.......so, you'll have a straw with that lolly ice, will ya ! ......anyone else care about Hiawatha and the Peacemaker ? Of course not.....be a man, a true man and build a fence......jumping Jesus !

sadavid: great to hear that news...truly, makes me feel good.

.........and, shame - ever lasting shame - on every one of those journalists who "sat by" and watched Jorge Ramos roughed up and escorted out of Trump's new conference yesterday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 07:43:01 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, Jeff really thought you were Steve pretending to be you? That's really funny. Happy Birthday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 05:53:50 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

By tomorrow, I mean Saturday.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 05:27:07 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

It's been a long day, Norm, and you seem like a swell fellow. Happy birthday to you. Hope you have a great day tomorrow out on the water.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 04:43:44 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: ooouuuh........oh my! a little history

To begin with, it has always seemed to me to be pretty disrespectful to use this man's web sight dedicated to such a fine band and legacy for petty bickering and useless disagreements. Yes, I've been guilty with this nonsense.

The "history". I think it was about the year 2000 that I came across this site, (being a life long fan of "THE BAND". I can remember the first time I posted here. There was a fellow named John. He lived in New York. Some one had used the word "Canuck". He took great offence to this. He said his grand father was from Montreal, and if anyone called him a Canuck there would be a fight. I didn't understand this at the time which prompted me to post. I put up the page of "Johnny Canuck" who in Canada is like Uncle Sam stateside. Well it was a learning. Johnny Canuck is an English mascot which the French never would allude to.

So now I'm posting on the Band Guestbook. Back then there was Rosalind, Abby, a lady from Kentucky, Jojo a lady from California that I exchanged music with and so many more. The first person I had a conversation with was Paul Godfrey, a wonderful man. We discussed Don Gibson. Paul, Jeff, Knockin Lost John, and Steve Heggison, sadly we lost.

Now I'm not sure who began posting here first. At that time, Jeff called himself, "Put'em up Jeff" very appropriately. It seems to this day confrontation is what he thrives on. Way back then, I was e mailed by another poster in New York who told me. "Jeff doesn't believe you are who you are. He thinks you and Steve are the same person." Hunh? well Jeff called me an out and out "liar" back then. I tried to get past this and be friends.

Jeff had done some work with Johnny Johnson, I saw pictures of them together. I commended Jeff for the work he had done. He was some what taken aback that I would be nice to him. I was genuine. This same poster e mailed me and said, "Be careful, you'll think you're getting to be friends and he'll turn on you. That is just what happened.

I have no animosity toward Jeff. If we can't have a friendly relationship, then I'd be happy if he just went his own way, said what he had to say and had a happy life.

Most resently just a few days back Peter said something, I don't remember what it was and I'm sure not going to search it out. Anyway Jeff came down on him with both feet. Just yesterday or so, Joan spoke of some of her child hood recollections. Jeff had to correct her as if she didn't know what she was talking about. Well I've been friends with Joan for a long time. I know she is older than Jeff, and she knows where of she speaks. I would be happy if he treated her with more respect. That is something he seems to lack.

I doubt that Mike will find Jeff's comments pertaining to "manhood" as to whether you call some gawd damn soft drink soda or pop. It's embarrassing even discussing something so gawd damn feeble. I got one question, if a "popsicle is made of soda, how come it isn't called a sodacle???" gawd gawd gawd.......how fucking lame can this get.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 03:10:33 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Quoting Norm: "Norm Jones will celebrate his 71st birthday August 29/2015 by going out on the tug and moving a load of road building equipment :-)"

Norm, is this the voiceover for a Irn Bru commercial, a Viagra commercial, a Depends commercial, or did you hit the trifecta & sign 3 in one?

I gotta wake up at 4 AM, & will be gone all day. So have all the fun you want, I won't even be able to look & laugh for a good while. But I do hope the commercial shoots are a success, if that or something similar is not what that announcement is about, I can't help but think people might think you insecure.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:33:06 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Manhood

Shake your head Mike, you obviously didn't see the comment that that was directed to. So make your evaluation when you know what you are talking about.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:28:18 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

. . . or questioning a poster's manhood.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 02:23:23 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OK John

Norm Jones will celebrate his 71st birthday August 29/2015 by going out on the tug and moving a load of road building equipment :-)

Nice to see the return of some music discussion as a few days ago, instead of spending days making serious decisions as to whether soft drinks should be called pop or soda (:-


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:41:00 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: More on Van

"Van Morrison will celebrate his 70th birthday on August 31, 2015 with "Van Morrison: Live on Cyprus Avenue," two concert performances serving as part of the closing event of the Belfast EastSide Arts Festival 2015."


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:03:38 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Road Hockey

OK, now you've done it. I played road hockey every day from the beginning of hockey season until the end of the playoffs in all my free hours. At our public school, the lower windows in the upper schoolyard were covered with a protective metal 'netting' which was the exact width of a proper goal. The other end was the school fence and we would make an equivalent width for that goal. (There were no store bought nets in those days).

It would not matter how cold it was, how much snow there was etc--the game was always on. There were always enough people to play a decent game. And yes, always a tennis ball. You could really wrist or slap a tennis ball hard. We used to count goals and assists and compare. There was a code of honour. There was little fighting.

When I got older and had kids, I took them to play road hockey with the adults once they were over 12. (the 80s and early 90s). There was a game every Sunday at a school yard in Thornhill north of Toronto. (I quit after I separated my shoulder after a game)

Only baseball interrupted road hockey. The commitment to road hockey was the greatest. I loved that game!


Entered at Thu Aug 27 01:01:21 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

I hate this. A number of KC sites--including the box set Frame By Frame--claim that KC opened for The Band on that date in that place. But Fripp's diary says they opened for the Airplane on that date in that place as does a site dedicated to the East Town Theater. So who knows?


Entered at Thu Aug 27 00:25:53 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

King Crimson opened for The Band November 12, 1969 at the East Town Theater in Detroit.


Entered at Thu Aug 27 00:08:24 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

The accompanying CD set on Sony's "The Essential …" series also out Friday has 37 tracks and includes Them material … Gloria and Here Comes The Night. The Essential set does include Warner tracks though it's impossible to tell from amazon whether they're the originals or later live versions. It's pretty well chronological, but Caravan comes late …just before Cleaning Windows. It might be the TLW version.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:46:35 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Is this the one?

There is a 1971 King Crimson release from Detroit in the "Collectors Club" series:

QUOTE: Live in Detroit, MI is a live album (2-CD set) by the band King Crimson, released by the Discipline Global Mobile through the King Crimson Collectors' Club[1] in October 2001. Recorded in Detroit, Michigan at the Eastown Theatre on November 13, 1971. The packaging erroneously credits the CD as being from December 13, 1971.

There's no note of who else was on the bill, but given a 2CD set it sounds like it's a concert on their own.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:41:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Van x 35

Van advertised 35 albums in Mojo last week, release date this Friday. It says "many digital for the first time" which I assume means downloads because they've all been on CD. Two versions of the Bang sessions, Blowin' In The Mind and TB Sheets are among them. I never thought of them as "official" before.

The Warner trio are a sore point as he gets zero royalty on them. I believe he had to hand over all the rights to Mrs Berns to escape a contract. They are not among the reissues.

Nor indeed is "You Win Again" with Linda Gail Lewis. That got withdrawn right after she cashed in and told tales to the tabloid press. Not coincidentally, I assume. Anyway, it's notable by its absence.

I believe, judging by his website, that Van owns the rights to all these albums. For some, it will be the fourth CD release. Usually the credits say Exile- Polydor, or Exile- Mercury, or Exile- Blue Note. This lot are just advertised as Sony Legacy without mentioning Exile. Do you you think he's actually sold his catalogue, as Bowie once did, or is this just the new round of leasing?

At least there's no claim to a further round of remastering after the CD, the remastered CD and the definitive remastered CD versions of some. They did actually improve.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 23:26:08 CEST 2015 from (50.92.152.148)

Posted by:

George Kosinski

Location: Hopkins Landing, BC

Subject: The Band in Detroit

I saw King Crimson open for The Band in Detroit sometime between 1967 and 1971. Does anyone know of this concert? Exact date and venue would be great!


Entered at Wed Aug 26 22:57:27 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Van The Man

Your right David. Warner's did retain those titles.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:56:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: road hockey

Kevin J: most evenings in the winter (and not infrequently in other seasons) there's a game in progress on our street. The folks across the street (their "rink" is directly in front of our house) host an all-day street hockey party every year on a Saturday or Sunday in the Xmas holiday period: 5 or 6 families' worth of players, women and toddlers in the house, men lined up along the porch shouting encouragement and sipping wobbly pops (and joining the game when the inspiration arises).


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:23:29 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Road Hockey

For most Canadian kids growing up, certainly my circle of friends during our era, Road hockey was everything. Some called it Street hockey or Ball hockey but it always involved a tennis ball ( not the silly hard orange thing that came later ) , aluminum nets ( usually only one net ). Other than days when we had a real game or practise – on ice – at an arena, playing hockey on the road was everything – every day after school until 5:30pm when Get Smart started, followed by dinner. Weekends– all day. The cars that came up and down the street knew well to gently go by as we lifted the net….too quickly and they might just have a ball ricochet off their car ! Great memories…laughs, good exercise, some real fights and a lot of life lessons. Sadly, road hockey as we knew it has all but disappeared across Canada.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 21:23:08 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The big music news is that Legacy, a Sony division, has acquired the rights to Van Morrison's catalog from 1971 to present, along with his recordings with Them. Not sure, but apparently Warner still controls ASTRAL WEEKS, MOONDANCE, and HIS BAND AND STREET CHOIR.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 20:55:19 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yes, Dunc & Sadavid, the Irn Bru ads- i ony saw the Fanny one... it was a riot! I must go back & watch the rest. thanks, and thanks to Kevin for reminding me.

Did any of you have odd ways of telling your friends when you'd meet them, etc?

A few people reminded me of this in the last year , i don't recall if it was just a Brooklyn thing or if it was all NYC - cause i had completely forgotten about this... but we used to say: "I'll call for you at your house." "I'll call for you at your house at 4." "I'll call for you on the phone." that's gone today, but we definitely used to use that expression. It was normal conversation.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 20:06:47 CEST 2015 from (95.174.57.117)

Posted by:

dani

Web: My link

Subject: super

Great website, you are great person


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:31:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We could use anyone's gardens whose kids were in the game, without asking too. But in general British front gardens were fenced or walled, with gates, and open plan frontages came in later in the 60s and 70s. There were known no go houses, but also ones that were OK.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:19:25 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Street play

I never played sports in the street, but we used to play an enormously exciting version of hide-and-seek we called Wave in our neighborhood, from after dinner till it got dark in the summertime. It involved hiding in the neighbors' yards, shrubs, bushes, etc. and trying to get back to home base before you were spied. Now, when I think back on it, people were awfully indulgent to let us use their yards this way - can't see it happening now.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:15:04 CEST 2015 from (24.114.70.142)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: New Song - RR

New RR song available at his FB page. Just a sample but it sounds good.

Dunc: Thank you for the Irn Bru ads, very funny.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:08:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As mentioned in The Toppermost, Family pissed off Bill Graham. In general though, US promoters were worried about a mic being swung so fast just over the heads of the audience. I've been right up front and worried too.

This year for Record Store Day they reissued the hens teeth rare "Scene Through The Eyes of A Lens" the first Family single and a psych classic. For most stores I know, it sold out in the first two minutes.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 19:00:36 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ny

Jeff, I mispoke about the Bronx. After the war many of the families migrated to the suburbs at which point the Bronx sort of turned around the wrong way. I the 1960s the Bronx was burning. Many very nice buildings turned into ashes. It seems to be coming back now but 11 be the same. Your guess as to what part of the Bronx I'm from is not close. I grew up in the the Melrose section 2 blocks of the Yankee Stadium. The lights in the stadium is to shine into my bedroom I apologize for what seems strange in my posts. I use DragonDictate and sometimes it has a mind of its own


Entered at Wed Aug 26 18:38:12 CEST 2015 from (31.53.16.29)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Family

I really like Family. Had a good collection on vinyl once.

Have about four CDs, including a good collection, all of which I still play.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 17:48:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Burlesque

If unfamiliar with Family, you should hear Burlesque. Linked.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 17:15:03 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I was only slightly familiar with Family.

Sadavid, I appreciated how you deftly wrapped all those elements up in a bow. You may probably may be one of the readers who got full value from me some posts back...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 16:01:28 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Family kvetch

Don't know Family from fariña, but enjoyed both the linked track and the Toppermost review . . . .
Been doing a lot of copy-editing lately, so feel compelled to point out that PV (understandably) turned John Weider into Jim Weider . . . .

A number of recent posts brought this passage to mind:

"“Man I don’t believe it. Rye and mother ginger, too splendid.” He sat down satisfied, slapping his leg; Kristin not seeming to understand but seeing his pleasure, coming around to him, putting her arms over his shoulders, and appreciating the finger he dunked into one of the glasses. He tested the drink with his tongue, remembered the taste from his childhood in Brooklyn, shrugged away the memory, and took a sip."


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:44:17 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Spanish Tide

Try this one … Old Grey Whistle Test, 1971. Roger Chapman and John Wetton vocals.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:43:17 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Family reunions

Ha ha- great stuff Pete. I'll try and have a good read of that tonight.

Roger the great crested warbler!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:38:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Family

See the link. It was an early Toppermost so shorter than most, and a two-author one with the webmaster and me. The best British band never to make it big in America. According to Nick Lowe, "Burlesque" is the bench mark for rock bass playing.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 15:19:02 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Crazy track to accompany the reminiscing [which I'm loving]

Pete and Dunc - be interested to hear your take on Family. I don't recall them ever being discussed on here.

I'm assuming the track I've linked - about a boy and his mule lazing in the sun - was 'Big Pink' influenced - it's very possibly not known to our Canadian/US GBers.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:40:02 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dunc, i like those bus passes. running...talk later


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:38:24 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dumc, what about Scotland?

Pete, your pop was right to watch even oil changes. In 1980, a chain stripped the threads by pulling a plug on my car. It was a pain in the balls, but i got satisfaction. On my last, the Grand caravan, i had a few different mechanics screw up & try to screw me, over ten years. Never in NYC, cause i have the best possible, and honest mechanics in Da Bronx. But, 3 out of 4 times i made em bleed. Once by going to small claims court, i got back half of the cost of an improperly made repair i had to get redone. Twice i got full reimbursement without going to court. They reimbursed me. In one case it was about 600, in the other, well over a thousand...All three times were in st Louis. then i found a great, very nicely sized auto repair & tranny shop.Bout 23- 25 employees,with office & runner staff. Did their own rebuilds, & inexpensively..they were great for 40 or so years. Including about 7 with me. then the old man died. His son who had worked there took over. He kept it together right for about a year, but then it went downhill fast... that one time i got screwed, and didn't get satisfaction, that was him.... I did fix the car, for about 6 bucks.he screwed me well though. Bout a thousand...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 12:05:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bus passes are great in London - if you sit upstairs, you see lots of detail on buildings you'd never notice otherwise. You can't access the Underground though … Londoners can, and I was told that if you live in a town with a metro railway (Glasgow, Newcastle) then your bus pass works on the London Underground. Don't know if it's true.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 11:59:54 CEST 2015 from (31.53.16.29)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Enjoyed the posts on playing in the street and life in local areas.

What is great in Britain is the free bus pass for over sixties. Toured part of the north east of Scotland, Fife and the Borders last year in three different trips all for free apart from the train ride which takes us to our base. Great public transport. Got to give up the car though for these trips.

Always loved Cremola Foam, Al and it was ice lollies.

I find 'Another Brick In The Wall' poor. Madness produced ' Baggie Trousers' in response.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 11:07:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My dad worked for a wholesale motor supplies company. In those days, reps drove round to garages taking orders for parts and accessories. Then he moved to John Bull Tyres, who were taken over by Dunlop. He had Hampshire and Dorset from Southampton to Weymouth, pus the Isle of Wight. Same thing. In those days, every garage stocked and sold tyres (and radiator hoses which they also made). I remember his colleague, who was younger, kept saying that in the future there’d be specialists tyre places with good stock and rapid service, and garages would stop fitting tyres altogether. My dad thought he was right, but didn’t dare join him. The other guy started the first tyre centre in the area. Ten years later he had thirty centres and garages had stopped doing tyres.

My dad taught motor vehicle maintenance in the army in the year after the war, and still taught the odd evening class later. As a result, he didn't trust any mechanic and always stood there to watch oil changes.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 10:41:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, parking has become a problem even in my end of Brooklyn. Where it never was an issue before... But, what i meant with cars not stopping us from playin g in the street when we were young, applied to parked cars, as well as the cars coming down the street........ The street could be filled with parked cars, city kids didn't care.We had the one lane plus elbow room the cars drove down to play in.. And the car owners, well, they knew life went on- meaning, kids played ball in the street. If we ran into their car, that was life. Cars were pretty solid, almost built like tanks, in the 60s, early 70s...

Was your dad a retail, to the public, car salesman, or was he an in industry sales man?

I think there are a few sections here, such as part of Brooklyn Heights, where you need that residents permit to park on the street at certain times, say overnight for one thing... Some areas in St Louis have permit requirements for parking too..

Under Bloomberg, so many streets in Manhattan lost parking it's a pity... areas where you couldn't park by day, but 7PM to say 7 AM where open, well, he took it away, except for cars with taxi licenses, etc etc....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 09:53:00 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cars are Cars

We played football across the street with opposite gateways as goals. It was a street of 1930s small detached houses. They had garages, but in my early memories less than half had cars. Because my dad was a sales rep in the motor industry, we always had a company car. I don’t think it was lack of money so much as lack of availability post-war. During the day in the holidays you wouldn’t see a car. We were warned to be careful on Fridays because the fresh fish van came along the street. But it stopped every 50 yards.

A lot of dads cycled or walked … a neighbour was a fireman and he walked. The majority worked at either Vickers or De Haviland (aircraft manufacture), and I’m sure Vickers had a company bus pick-up. De Haviland was in Christchurch, further away. I guess they drove. Nobody had a second car. In the early 50s, I can only remember one mum who drove.

Further out in new post-war council housing, they had a lot of cul-de-sacs and they had signs with PLAY STREET, which meant no cars during the day. They had the same signs nearer the town centre where there were Victorian cul-de-sacs. Those signs went decades ago.

It makes me think how badly we screwed up with cars. We used to film in Bristol a lot, but abandoned it because you just couldn’t get around or park the half a dozen vehicles we needed anywhere. Because a lot of housing is older, few have garages or parking spaces. You have a lot of very large Georgian houses, subdivided into four apartments. That could generate eight vehicles! Negotiating side streets is almost impossible. When we’ve been recently we take Mrs V’s little Suzuki, because with an SUV, you can barely get through some streets. In Bath, a single car garage costs what a house would in most towns. London never seems too bad … excellent public transport plus draconian semi-fascist parking enforcement. You need a permit to park in your own street, as you do in Bath and Oxford. Many streets are "Permit holders only." But in many city centres, the older streets are packed with parked cars both sides. People come home and park 300 or 400 yards away because they can’t find a space.

In Tokyo (I believe) you have to have a parking space before you can buy a car.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 09:33:03 CEST 2015 from (24.235.228.248)

Posted by:

J.L Avis

Location: CANADA

Subject: CNE Bandshell Toronto

The Last Waltz - A Musical Celebration of THE BAND An all-star Canadian cast of award-winning blues and roots musicians will perform a tribute to The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND, at the Bandshell on Sunday, August 30th. Don’t miss the opportunity to celebrate the music of this legendary Canadian group, directed by Juno Award winning producer and musical director, Lance Anderson. The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND, features Chuck Jackson, the Weber Brothers, Paul James, Jimmy Bowskill and Jerome Levon Avis (Levon Helm’s godson) and is backed by a nine piece band that includes Jerome Levon Avis (drums, vocals), Terry Blersh (guitar), Dennis Pinhorn (bass), Rob Gusevs (organ), Anderson (piano, vocals) David Dunlop (trumpet), Gord Meyers (trombone, tuba) Chris Murphy (tenor sax), John Johnson (baritone sax), Johnny Max, and special guest Terry Danko (brother of the late Band bassist Rick Danko). On the American Thanksgiving of 1976 at San Francisco’s Winterland Ballroom, The Band performed what they called their “Last Waltz” and invited many of their friends to join the celebration, which included Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Neil Young and Ronnie Hawkins. Filmed by director Martin Scorsese, it is considered the best concert film of the era. This Live performance will recreate the atmosphere of The Band’s final concert. Anderson’s production of The Last Waltz – A Musical Celebration of THE BAND has experienced rave reviews at the many festivals where it has appeared over the past few years and has consistently been referred to as the “best of the festival”. Date: Aug 30 Time: 7:30 pm - 9:30 pm Location: CNE Bandshell


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:47:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Mike, probably till about twenty to thirty years ago, i think most kids in most places ( unaffected by war, civil unrest, etc) grew up playing outside without adult supervision. Which is important, cause it was a way to learn alot about life and survival. OF course, once in a while, most kids had to go home or to some one and get some advice. but it was all a socialization and learning process, that kids today don;t get. Today, most everything involving kids playing is supervised by adults....but hell, from 11 or so on, we didn't see that much of our parents. By 14 we were running all over NYC by ourselves, and i expect that country kids had the same freedom running around. Suburbs were kinda different i think.... the subdivision streets wouldn't allow the kind of playing. And getting around, well, public transit wasn;t like city public transit, riding bikes in the street, on main suburban streets, i dunno. but country boys probably had the run of the countryside. Parents didn't worry back then. even at 11, 12, there was always two to ten of us kids, and our parents didn't worry. I expect it was the same for most of our age on here....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:21:31 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, Leipzig.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 06:19:18 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Interesting shot by Leipzeig, Jeff. Every one of us, although I can't speak for Angie or Joan or Lisa, certainly, played one sport or another on the street. With me, it was hockey in the winter, but baseball usually at a makeshift diamond out in a nearby field. When European football, or soccer, became popular, we did that, too. I'd be interested to know where the European or U.K. lads on this site played their football. I expect anywhere they could.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 05:37:22 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Al, Mike, any one interested. Linked is a photo taken by Arthur Leipzig in Brooklyn. It's of black & white teens or young men playing stick ball in the street in front of a kosher butcher next to kosher poultry market in a mixed neighborhood. i used to know where this was but forgot...The catcher was wearing a baseball mitt, which was we didn't always do in stickball..... i found this photo two years back when i was making that video for BIMB. There were a lot of iconic Brooklyn photos i was afraid to use, cause i couldn't easily get copyright and never understood how that creative commons copyright use of photos work.For example, the photos of the Alan Freed Rock & roll show Marquees in Brooklyn would have been great to have. Photos of the Dodgers. This photo, i found, and contacted Arthur's girlfriend who was taking care of him. She said he wasn;t feelign real well, and she didn;t wan tto trouble him with too much. I offered to pay, i offered to send a license and a check for use limited to the video..She was not sure what to do and passed. Of course, I respected the copyright and did not use the photo. Today, people are adding captions to it and pasting it all over Facebook, without permission. When i see it i get pissed off and i've written some people that they are infringing. I've been told to go take a hike.....Other people are selling postcards of it, i doubt the estate manufactured postcards..Arthur died in late 2014.

This street seems pretty clear of cars, but cars never stopped us where i lived. same goes for two handed touch football. Cars or not, we played...Sometimes we went to a school yard, sometimes went to the park, but the street was always convenient. Today, there's too many cars driving on the road,even in the most residential neighborhoods. It could never work...


Entered at Wed Aug 26 03:43:52 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: x Ambassadors

I expect there are those here who have heard this band, (maybe with out even knowing). They are every where in tv series back ground music. I think they are very talented and their music is easy to listen to and hard to forget.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 03:07:12 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: NYC

Jeff, enjoyed the tour. Learned a few things, too.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:45:51 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Shoal Tickle Social Club
Web: My link

Subject: los lobos

Link yet to be released Los Lobos track courtesy of Nick DeRiso.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:40:56 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: cowboy music

Link is to Ian Tyson's latest. Man is in fine form at 81. Yes, 81.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:22:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

It is launderette in the UK. There are compilations of Levi's ad songs. Most were big hits here, deservedly so. Brilliant song choices.


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:10:42 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, as the pictures seem to indicate, scenes in the movie indicated neighborhoods in both Manhattan & Brooklyn. The Lower East side in Manhattan ( which was heavily Jewish), and the Bklyn neighborhood indicated by the street names given, that ran along the waterfront of the neighborhoods of Brooklyn Heights over to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Today that waterfront area is referred to as DUMBO- for Down Under the Manhattan & Brooklyn Bridges. A very heavily Bklyn Jewish neighborhood of the time would have been Williamsburg, but there were plenty of others ( and Williamsburg was not exclusively Jewish.. ... Italians, Irish, Blacks, Puerto Ricans, all lived there too. My father was born there in the late mid 1920s, his parents moved to Marine Park, i think when he was about 20 and living in L.A. . the Williamsburg Bridge is the furthest East of the three. Brooklyn, Manhattan, then Williamsburg. Williamsburg turns , and is east and just north as a neighborhood....Without watching the movie, i couldn't tell you what happens where, or where it's supposed to portray....


Entered at Wed Aug 26 00:02:14 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Advertizing in UK

Driving over to Port Hardy today I listened to an interesting program on CBC. It caught my attention after the commercials shown here today for IRN BRU.

This particular commercial made astounding statistics. For Levi 501 Stone washed jeans. A young man comes into a laundry Mat, (now I know in Texas they call 'em "washeteria". What do they call 'em in the UK? Any way this good looking young man, (and by the way this is set to Marvin Gay's "Heard it Through the Grapevine"). The young man opens a washer and pours in a bag of stones while these ladies doing their laundry watch him. He takes off his T shirt, and unbuttons his button fly and slides his Levi 501's off and drops them in the washer. He sits down in his ". He is wearing only his "tidy whities", (jockey shorts) This commercial by the powers that be would not be approved unless he was wearing "boxer shorts" so they did it again and he wore boxers. THE RESULT! sales of Levis 501 "stone washed" button fly jeans went up 800% they had to take the add off because they couldn't keep up with demand. Sales of boxer shorts soared. Marvin Gay's "Heard it through the Grapevine was reissued on the radio and immediately went to number one, higher than it ever made it when it was originally released. This was in 1984 apparently.

This was one of the lessons in advertising. I forget the guys name who came up with the entire concept to begin with. He took a lot of flack to start with. In the end they realized he knew what he was doing.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:37:58 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The meaning of life

Any one who has to gauge his masculinity by how he orders a soft drink or what to call it has to be very insecure with his man hood.......that is just.........sad.

You have been insulting people here for years you just don't get it.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:24:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: OUATIA

Jeff - Some photos at this website. maybe I'm wrong about Lower east Side if that is manhattan. It's definitely a jewish ghetto where it's set - I think the early bit is set in the 1920'2 with some stunning period scenes.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:13:51 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, Pete, that shouda been- Lollipops were candy suckers on sticks.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 23:09:50 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al & Pete, here in the U.S. our various types of ice pops were called that & popsicles, icicles, freezer pops, or freeze pops. They were on sticks or in plastic.
Lollipops were candy, tootsie rolls being a particular Brand that had ball shaped Tootsie Roll candy in the center.

Joan, while it is very unimportant, i wouldn't necessarily agree with you that "Brooklynites mainly went to Long Island." I haven't researched any statistics, & don't intend to, but I'll say that large amounts of Brooklynites moved to , Long Island, Staten Island, Rockland County, Westchester County, and many other places, same as people from The Bronx. I'm guessing that the part of the Bronx you lived in when you were very young was PROBABLY either (1) Riverdale, or 2) Williamsbridge/ Pelham Parkway. Of course, it could have been anywhere. Yehudim lived all over the Bronx.

Separately, where people moved their families to had to do with many factors. Just two overlapping factors were where the breadwinner or winners worked, & what the commute would be like.And what the liklihood of job stability was, and also the possibility of commute with possibility of replacing a job at some point.

Norm, sorry I don't have more time, but, you're a funny guy. Keep the supposed insults /jokes coming......if the feeling you get from it is a good enough substitute to prevent you from beating a woman or kicking a dog, keep it up.

Al, i'd have to see that movie again, but, if it is actually The Lower East Side, that is Manhattan. Of course, people roamed freely.

Joan, your statement: "The Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens are largely populated by middle-class people who moved after World War II ." is puzzling. It seems you mean presently and in the sense of a majority this has probably not been true in the bronx since the 70s, and probably not been true in brooklyn or Queens since the 80s.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 22:55:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pinot Grigio

Ha ha - made me chuckle. Been to a few weddings New Forest way Pete so I can well imagine!

Love those Dorset snatches. I can imagine the accent pretty well I think and I can see how with the translations they make sense. I wonder if they have similar exaggerated inflections/amplifications in the US and Canada?

Joan - your take seems to put a different slant again on the Bronx/Brooklyn thing. I'm still puzzling over the Lower east Side Jewish quarter thing from OUATIA. Is that in Brooklyn?

We should swap notes on all this far more than we do. I find it all fascinating. Maybe Pat can give us a Chicago lowdown. And I'd sure love some insight on the whole Appalachian Celtic hillbilly thing?

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:51:04 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Who is the cop, Who is the mole?

Scorsese and screenwriter William Monahan "borrowed" the basic plot of "The Departed" from a 2002 Hong Kong film "Internal Affairs (Mou Gaan Dou)" and reset it in Boston. A triad mobster infiltrates the police force and, at the same time, a cop goes undercover as a member of the triad -- both in search of the counterpart mole.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:16:42 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: David Gilmour sings Beatles

This is a terrific cover - Music fans should enjoy


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:11:40 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NY/NJ

I was born in Manhattan as for the first eight years of my life in the Bronx. At that point my parents bought a house in Teaneck New Jersey and we moved there. It was an era when many of the families from the Bronx moved to New Jersey. The Brooklynites mainly went to Long Island I was brought up a Jersey girl with a little of Bronx attitude. Brooklyn was a place that was mysterious to me I don't think I ever went to Brooklyn until I was an adult. As my husband says Brooklyn was one of our greatest allies in World War II.. One of my favorite beverages is Vernors ginger ale. You can only get it in the Midwest so my Ohio friends export to me. The Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens are largely populated by middle-class people who moved after World War II


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:07:25 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We used to say 'This aftie' for This afternoon. I got a book of Dorset dialect in Tesco last week. It's got the Dorset county flag on the cover, something I hadn't ever seen three years ago, but now it's everywhere. I'm sure I posted my dad's example of Dorset here before:

Wahr be garn, Jarge?

Tek fadder dinner.

Gie I a bit.

Casn't. Fadder ud wak I.

(Where are you going, George? / Take father's dinner / Give me some / I can't, father would whack me.)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 19:00:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

D'you need any messages? has me puzzled, Al. The neighbor didn't run a massage parlour, did she? In general, one took new neighbors a cup of sugar. Then offered a cup of tea. I suppose round here, if we actually spoke to our neighbours, it'd have to be a bottle of chilled Pinot Grigio.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 18:52:01 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Al & Peter

You guys are giving me nightmares! I keep getting this picture in my head that just doubles me over..........Can you see Jeff going in some place and asking for an "ice lolly or a lolly ice?" I laugh so hard I'm in pain! He just couldn't feel like a man.

Don't worry Jeff you'll be a man before your mother will :-)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 18:03:27 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A Rose in Spanish Harlem

I'm really incited....are you incited Al. It's great to get a belly laugh in the morning. it's easy to find the areas on google earth Al, but of course that would all be wrong too.

If you ever watched the movie, "Gangs of New York". The 5 areas are referred to as the "five points".

Jack Nicholson also is from New Jersey. As it is told he was raised by his grand mother who he always thought was his mother. His mother he always thought was his sister. This was in those days a cover up for a woman bearing a child out of wed lock.......now I'm really confused.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 17:31:20 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.214)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Al, correcting misinfo you were given

Al, had you not accepted them as correct, i would not have commented on this . I figured most would realize that all or most of the misinformation Norm offered regarding The Departed and Brooklyn accents, plus some more, as just an attempt to incite.

For example, the accents in The Departed were Boston accents. Not Brooklyn accents. The film took place in Boston, was about Boston Irish gangs & Boston police, and that is the accent they all portrayed. Matt Damon, and Wahlberg, two of the main actors, also are both Boston natives. Other participants, like Martin Sheen & Alec Baldwin, Jack Nicholson, did a great job portraying Boston accents.

Regarding buns, as Pete indicates, there is nothing like info from the actual place. You had asked about NYC's relation to Jersey. Possibly up to half to the people that moved to the state in the last 50 years came from NYC. Two of my aunts, my stepfather's sisters and their families, moved there when i was under 10. My mother's oldest brother and another uncle, my stepfather's best friend, moved their families there when i was under 7 or 8. (Other family moved to Long Ilsand). Why- if you wanted to buy a home, you got a lot more for your buck, a bigger house, and alot more property. Houses were very inexpensive in these places then... The migration still takes place. but now the homes in Jersey & long Island are high priced and the real estate taxes are insane, but you still get more.More of a house, more land. If we did not have my grandmother's huge house & property, and my family was buying,it's possible they'd have migrated too.... Weekends, probably at least a third of Sundays we drove out to either Jersey or The Island. Other times people came to Brooklyn...While we tend to regard Jersey as different, it is mostly with affection, cause our families & friends are there. but of course, the people grow up different than us. But not totally, cause in so many cases, go back, fifty or 60 years say, if the parents were immigrants from overseaas, they were the same people that were raising kids in NYC. and so were the neighbors, or odds are the neighbors were from NYC. And also, once the kids were old enough, many were on the bus running into NYC for music etc etc...Of course there were original Long Islander & Jersey people, but huge portions of these populations trace back to NYC in short time frames. Alot of the kids i went to grade & high school with moved to either place.

Now Al, as Pete wrote, re info from the actual place.... Jersey got hot dog, buns, hamburger buns, hard rolls, soft rolls, & kaiser rolls, same as NYC. Some places in joisey selection might be limited, but that happens in Long Island too.. Westchester. but there are choices plus. Different people like their burgers on different breads, & different establishments serve things differenty. Same as anyplace. I never spent time in a place where i didn't notice some bars & restaurants use different burger breads... In St Louis, we had a bar named The SPorts Pagse. right across from where i lived in 81 & 82. They made a great bug hamburger, served on a phenomenal big seeded hard roll. Other joints served their burgers on soft buns. Jersey is the same. Here, in my neighbrhood, a mile away we got an Italian Bakery where te bread is great. The rolls, not so great. Kind f soft and airy. The kaiser rolls too. And they also have buns. Another half mile away, there' an Italian Bakery where the breads are great, and the rolls are great. the regular rolls are a little too airy for me, but their semolina rolls, either a seeded twist, or a bun shaped seeded roll, or harder ( in the sense of density combined with hardness) than a good hard roll. and to die for. Both places have great , steadily fresh made coffee. The second also offers espresso and capuccino. Now regarding that lack of an r he mentioned in hard, had rolls, those are up in Boston. Joisy, and Brooklyn, we got hard rolls.We pronounce it different but we got r-s. In Brooklyn,Often "saw" is more like "sore" or sahw". Or something else. Forget about it- for example, becomes one word, fuggehdaboudit, and that can happen in Joisy too.... Words get hurried, sounds hcange r disappear, but had or hahd rolls. that's boston. A good host, barbecuing in Joisy or NYC or Long ISland, will often try to have rolls and buns for his guests to choose their preference from. Hot Dogs, unless the stores are out of buns, you won;t seem em on rolls or bread. Hot Dogs are on buns.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 17:07:37 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Machavelian sisters

P - your sis reminds me of someone who shall remain nameless !!!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:57:24 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Local expression variations

I do find it fascinating how these things come about. They occur everywhere of course but I'm conviced in Liverpool's case there's more than a small element of bolshoiness that brought them about. Anything not to conform. But, of course, once they get bedded in then the reason why they came about melts away [see what I did there!!]

The thing is as you know full well Pete the proper term is indeed "ice-lolly". I mean that's what the folks who make the feckin things call them.

I just asked Mag and she can recall when she first arrived from South Wales noticing a few of these scouse terminolgies that she either couldn't understand or they simply sounded a bit daft to her. Lolly-ice was one. All ordinary Liverpool folks use it.

The other thing which as a teacher would do her nut in was the abbreviating or distorting of any word that could possibly be abbreviated or distorted. Forinstance nobody ever said 'hospital'. It was always the 'ozzie'. 'This afternoon' was always 'disavvy'. Nothing was ever 'good'. It was always 'gear'.

Another one that foxed her was when she was asked 'd'you need any messages?" by our old neighbour a day or so after we'd moved into our first house.

:-0)

Not sure if you have that expression down ther Pete?

Anyroad - I'm boring meself now so I'll stop.

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:40:33 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

P.S. when I confront my sister about this (every Christmas) she merely says ice-lollies were indeed poisonous in 1953 and so she saved my life and I ought to be grateful, not bring it up on every family occasion.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:34:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sweet (and sugar) rationing ended in 1953. Everyone had a ration card.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:29:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah. ICE-lolly is normal. Posh is ICED-lolly. I don’t remember hearing lolly-ice. I did every weekend as well as summer holidays on Bournemouth beach selling ice-cream from age fifteen, and I got used to regional variation … we said a TUB of ice-cream, but many Northerners asked for a CUP. Then there was CONE and CORNET. WAFER and SANDWICH and SPLIT. I don’t remember lolly-ice. By the mid-60s, I think there was a limited range, and people asked either for an 'Orange Maid' or a 'Mivvi' which is all we sold. And Mivvis were all strawberry.

It set me thinking, when I was a kid, I thought that all sweet shop owners had Northern accents, because every corner sweet shop and tobacconist was owned by people with Northern accents. I guess it was a retirement dream to own a sweet shop at the seaside, and also the South Coast is better for the bones and joints.

In the days of sweet rationing after the war (North Americans won't know about this) my sister and I used to go and buy a twopenny ice-lolly once a week. My sister being 6 years older, explained that the coloured stuff in ice-lollies was poisonous to small kids (I was about 5) and so she used to suck all the poison out of the ice lolly for me and hand me the white, tasteless block of ice which was left. I used to wonder why people liked them.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 16:04:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Lolly-ice

Interesting Pete.

It could well be a typical Liverpool 'we have to be that little bit different from the norm' type of expression. Certainly in all the Lancashire/Cheshire areas immediately surrounding Liverpool it's always been ice-lolly.

The thing is to a Liverpudlian ice-lolly really does sound dead posh [perhaps Si could confirm that]. I wonder what Lolly-ice sounds like to you and the missus Pete?

Apart from a bit daft, of course!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 15:34:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The irn-bru adverts are amazing … I've never seen them.

Ice-lolly here. Never heard lolly-ice, in spite of my summers selling ice cream and ice lollies on the beach from 15 to 18.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 15:14:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Irn Bru ads

I'll second Sadavid's chortling.

Funny stuff - plus I'll own up to watching the buxom one more than a few times whilst imagining myself there alongside the two lads following her every move!!!

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 14:25:44 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: bru-haha

Dunc - greatly enjoyed those links . . . the scene at 3:08 here should be particularly poignant for the GB crowd . . . .


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:52:03 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Norm/Jeff - thanks for all that New York insight - lapped it up. Love hearing about anything to do with it - a unique melting pot of race, colour, creed and possibly above all culture. My favourite film of all time is Once Upon A Time in America - I think it was set in the jewish Quarter - was that Lower East Side? Is that Brooklyn?

Where do main Harlem and Spanish Harlem fit into the whole picture?

Dunc - you may have missed it but do you remember Creamola Foam?

Roger/Pete - I do recall Tizer cans but I'm sure they came later. Jusoda was a funny shaped bottle - shaped like a curvy woman - it was always on the shelf next to the Tizer bottles. Similar colour to Tizer though slightly darker orange.

Finally - Got to ask the Brits again - ice-lolly or lolly-ice????

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:39:09 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Irn Bru advert 2015

This year's irn bru advert. A wonder it wasn't banned.

Don't watch if prudish.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 11:30:29 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Irn Bru Adverts

Here's a link to the irn bru adverts. Great laugh if you've got the time.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 10:58:28 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Fecking autocorrection. A PLATE of yo-yos. Yo Yos were round chocolate biscuits wrapped in foil with a layer of unsuitably flavored sugary cream. Try eating a lime one, a peppermint one and a blackcurrent one in succession.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 10:51:45 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tizer

It comes in a CAN! Oh, no! Tizer was the definitive huge bottle. I will seek it out. I bet it tastes nasty. I feel myself coming over all Dylan Thomas (A Child's Christmas in Wales). A glass of Tizer, or drink from a big bottle and pass it round. A play of yo-yos in assorted vile flavors, a tasteless Wagon Wheel (they still do them and they taste of a faint whiff of cooking chocolate plus nothing), then an argument on whether green, red and blue wrapped Penguins taste different.


Entered at Tue Aug 25 09:33:20 CEST 2015 from (84.209.82.110)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: Back in the land of Coca Cola

Tizer is still going strong - I think it has the strap line 'Great British Pop' on the can. Corona packed up in the 80s. As a kid we used to have Corona wagon deliveries from house to house. I can remember helping our delivery guy when I was in primary school and he used to have a box of complimentary cokes in the cab which he'd let me raid. As a 10 year old Coca Cola was like liquid gold. We have Mexican Corona beer over here too. On holidays our kids were always taken by French pop called Pschitt!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 03:35:32 CEST 2015 from (173.172.37.17)

Posted by:

Glenn T

Subject: Love & Mercy

thanks to mr. Viney for his review of the Brian Wilson movie. Really appreciate the work it takes to share your thoughts on concerts, films and music artists. Your contributions are a vital part of this forum.

And there are others who share their stories, thoughts, memories, insights, and YouTube links that make this guestbook such an interesting place to visit. Thank you all!


Entered at Tue Aug 25 01:20:05 CEST 2015 from (70.193.172.196)

Posted by:

David P

Down here one asks for a Coke and expects no other brand of cola substitutes. Years ago Howard Johnson restaurants served their own brand of cola soft drink called HoJo. The name was memorialized in a song by NRBQ entitled "Howard Johnson ' s Got His HoJo Workin'."


Entered at Tue Aug 25 01:01:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Love & Mercy

Link to my review of the highly enjoyable Brian Wilson biopic, Love and Mercy.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 23:39:31 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

David … do people say CoCola rather than coke in Georgia? They do according to the articles, but it's good to get info from the actual place!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:51:09 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Al, unfortunately quickly as i;m just home for a minute - I had the good fortune to see Danko sing Doo wop a few times. Twice with Dion, the third person with them mighta been Busey one time. This was at a Show at the Lone Star Roadhouse, in midtown, in the 90s. It was at a Little Big BAnd show, Vivino and Harvey brooks' band. Two other times were at the Bearsville Theater, with Marshall Crenshaw, Jules Shear, and at least one of those times, Bill Lloyd, of Foster & Lloyd.There's no words to explain how beautiful, melodious, and enjoyable that was. And there was one other time i can now think of, which would make five, i think he sang some doo wop that night too, ta the crazy Country CLub in Brooklyn.

The other matter, which you inquired about, we who grew up here in the city ( as opposed to The City), the 5 boroughs, Manhattan ( The City), Brooklyn, Queens, Da Bronx, and Staten Island, we're all New Yorkers. Meaning people from NYC. While the boroughs are all a little different, the people to a strong degree were the same with some slight variation..Cultures developed , people mostly valued education, work ethics were strong, families were close knit... Food was great everywhere....Manhattanites & Bronxites would edge in a little closer to Brooklynites in terms of variations..... Each borough had it's roughest spots, but even the cushy neighborhoods were rough in their very real way.... For many reasons, including the fact that a lot of the people in em came from rougher neighborhoods, or made their living rough ways...If you didn't have street smarts you had a problem in any neighborhood in any borough.. Queens was certainly no picnic either, but Da Bronx was probably a lot rougher than Queens, in terms of on a major basis. I worked all over Da Bronx in 78, 79, 80, lived there for about 6 months. Always had a strong affinity for it. Brooklyn always was the most populated borough, size wise i don't know. We're all New Yorkers, but there are distinctions. i wouldn't say any real kind of rivalries, but some noticeable differences . i tihnk geography had alot to do with how things developed, and to a degree, that influenced how people developed. But your;e talking people from the same cultures and countries overseas, coming to a city of 5 boros that in a very real sense, was strongly united and different than Long Island, Westchester, and New Jersey. Yet there's plenty of peopel who grew up in Long Island, and Westchester, that are very much typical New Yorkers. Many were born in the city, then moved, many were born in those places, over the border, but to parents from the city, or parents from other countries but in a neighborhood full of people from the city... I've met people born & raised in Westchester, that have stronger NYC accents than I. Greek guy, bassist, born and raised in Westchester, sounds like typical Brooklyn or Manhattan Italian, cause he grew up in a Westchester neighborhood, mostly filled with NYC italians and some jews..... Sayonara....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:27:56 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: the music

da f***?

Some customers want a cola with their rum; others ask for ginger ale with their whisk(e)y. My advice is to avoid rum and soft drinks in general. Why would anyone want to add to whisk(e)y I don't want to know.

I'm with Norm. Scallops are great. Why would anyone want to wrap bacon around one? Overkill.

Been listening to all Band music while on holiday. Took the hike up to Western Brook Pond at Gros Morne Nat. Park. Weather was miserable. Loved it. Should be on your bucket list.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 22:10:07 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Oh to be back in the land of Coca-Cola...

And so the oft' told story from the birthplace of Coca-Cola goes like this: The last major land battle of the American Civil War took place on Easter Sunday, April 16, 1865 on the Georgia/Alabama border at the Chattahoochie River, where the cities of Columbus, Ga. and Girard, Al. sit on opposite sides of the river. During the battle Lieutenant Colonel John Pemberton of the Third Georgia Cavalry suffered severe gunshot and sabre wounds. He suffered great pain during his slow recovery afterwards from his wounds and became addicted to morphine. As a civilian, Dr. Pemberton had practiced medicine and surgery before starting a pharmaceutical business producing a variety of remedies. Putting his skills to work, he concocted a tonic to help cure his addiction. The original version, called French Wine Coca, contained extracts of Peruvian coca leaf, kola nut (for caffeine), wine and damiana, a reputed aphrodisiac. Several years later when Atlanta banned alcohol, he replaced the wine with sugar syrup for sweetness and, when it was dispensed at drug store fountains, carbonated water was added to the base syrup and sold for five cents a glass. Dr. Pemberton later began selling off the rights to the drink and its secret formula to business partners, and all shares were later purchased by Atlanta druggist Asa Candler. Mr. Candler, through aggressive marketing, went on to establish the widely successful Coca-Cola soft drink company, where fountain sales were eventually overtaken by the bottling process.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 20:32:19 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Pop, soda or whatever

So what does Irn Bru taste like? Sounds quite mysterious ...

When I was very young my family crossed the New Mexican desert with nothing in the car to drink but soft drinks. I was so thirsty, all I wanted was water. After that I never liked fizzy sweet drinks, and still don't to this day. Though ginger ale has its uses, especially if you're pregnant.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 20:00:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The King of Queens

Al you'll have to take a look on Goggle Earth and you can see the Bronx and Brooklyn. I guess you know "Queens" is another area there. The King of Queens is a tv sitcom about that part of town.

If you have ever seen the movie "The Departed", it is really funny how all those actors copy that Brooklyn accent.

Many years ago here I spoke of a friend who played lead guitar for me. He was from "Joisey". Now for another example of the difference in terms, what we call a bun here as in hamburger bun, or Kaiser bun they call a "roll" down there. He would ask for a burger on a hard roll and in the word "hard" they leave out the r.

Peter, "Corona" is a brand of Mexican beer. Most places when you get a bottle of that beer they stick a slice of lime in it.

It's hard to understand that anyone doesn't know of the term "soda pop". It's advertised that way all over the internet.

In case no one was listening, I just apologised to myself...........I have no idea what for.....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:47:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Don't remember Jusoda. The sporty types drank lucozade, but we only had it if we were ill. Like irn-bru, it was very brightly coloured.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:46:30 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Yellow lemmo

Not even sure if yellow lemonade is produced these days Pete.

While we're on this kick, Lolly-ice or Ice-Lolly?

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:44:25 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Irn Bru

JD - my son still drinks it. Loves it. Never understood the devotion to it as like you I'm not keen. Sorry Dunc.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:42:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As well as lemonade being fizzy in the UK, we also use orangeade, limeade, cherryade, raspberryade for fizzy drinks. I don't recall any other flavors with '-ade.' When I was young the brand round here was Corona, and we used that generically, ‘Do you want some Corona? What flavour?’ They invented Tango, a name which has survived their demise.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:41:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Pete - Not seen Tizer for yonks

Did you used to have Jusoda too?

My favourite as a kid was a drink called Creamola Foam. I think it was Scottish. Dunc may remember it. It came as powder in a little tin and you added water like Epsom salts. My mother never used to get it so I only ever had it when I went to my cousins house. Luckily that was quite often as it was just around the corner.

I still crave it now. Badly. But it's no longer produced.

Jeff - Is The Bronx similar to Brooklyn? Or are we talking chalk and cheese? Do folks in each place still regard themselves as New Yorkers or is there an entirely different identity thing going on. Ditto New jersey?

Kev - as for the colloquialism of going for a few pops - for whatever reason and search me as to why but a lot of folks by us use the expression 'going for a few sherbets'. God knows how this came into use.

Norm - I love those old doo wop numbers to bits and Wonder Why is right up there. So many great ones.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 19:06:38 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, like clockwork, Coach SD arrived to display his charms. And that metaphor! The highlight of the season!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:47:10 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Irn-Bru

I realize this is very popular in Scotland. My daughter and son just love the stuff. It's sold in all the Scottish Fish and Chip stores here. I took one swig of it once and I really didn't care for it.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:42:58 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

john D

Subject: Pop vs Soda

Well; when I was a boy; being raised in Ontario we called it Pop or Soda Pop. Unless of course it was a Chocolate Soda. "Hey Dad can I have a bottle of Pop?" We also began calling them by the brand name. Anyone for a Coke....a Pepsi, Root Beer; or 7 Up? 7 Up could really quench your thirst; as opposed to the Cola's; but I never cared for it. That goes ditto for Mountain Dew and Dr. Pepper.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:38:02 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pop vs Soda

This maybe helpful. As well as this page, I was surprised to find how much this topic is discussed on the internet.

Hello Pat. I don't know what is going on. How could some one who calls hisef coach be agin sports. What does he coach........pray tell.

I got to thinking about that while having my coffee Peter the stores do use the term soft drinks. The Bronx baby is in a minority it appears.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:33:38 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

In the hockey world, thanks in large part to Don Cherry and his extremely popular “Coaches Corner” segment on Hockey Night In Canada each and every Saturday night, the term “Pop” has come to be associated with beer in Canada…..”after the game, the boys went out and had a few pops”.

Landmark: Great to see your name here……I actually was going to write that you would know….my memory was that the choices were restrictive……but yes, it was mustard only – not relish as well !


Entered at Mon Aug 24 18:05:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Both the Shorter Oxford and Websters agree that "pop" comes from the sound of the bottle being opened. I believe it was slang for Champagne in the Oscar Wilde era too … same reason.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:48:31 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.82)

Posted by:

Coach

No one here received any such directive, you whiny old mare. Look it up. Your posts have all the charm of ten pounds of horseshit stuffed into a five pound sack.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:28:08 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, there's a variety of signs. I recall some stores having signs that said both Soda and Water, other stores had signs that just say Beverages. I don't recall ever seeing an aisle sign that said soft Drinks. Maybe in Britain or Canada.

We had soda fountains growing up. There are still some around. The people that worked at em once were called soda jerks. No pop fountains, i bet they weren't called pop fountains anywhere., not even in the midwest. I can't imagine anyone going to a soda fountain for a pop. Phospahte, they said in places.somewhere along the line, it got changed in some areas. Do you hear a pop when you remove a metal cap from a bottle?- if so, maybe that is where pop came in. Or pop could be short for phosphate. Off for my first cup of black cawfee.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 17:03:46 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Norm, you must have missed the appearance of something named Coach who brilliantly critiqued my occasional sports posts. Don't worry. It's not worth searching out.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 15:49:56 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, yes, two cents plain is the elixir of life. You can still get it delivered in the old spritzer bottles here.

Al Edge, Dion is a Bronx Boy. From the old Arthur Avenue section. I think he grew up on Belmont Ave, but if not, it was very close by. Arthur Ave , the section, is now just a few blocks, but still houses some great bakeries, salumerias, & restaurants. Dominicks is a sure fire to die for meal. No menu. The waiter tells you what they got that day. Long , plain old wood tables, almost like picnic tables. You do get your own chair though. Expensive, no frills, but to die for.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 15:08:06 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Good morning Norm, you owe yourself an apology. No one here will hear you, so don't feel funny about it......If you want me to offer the numerous reasons why, I will. Later today though, if you ask......If you figured it out on your own, no need to discuss it further... I'm kinda hoping that you were just plain old ossified, and not just plain old stoopid. But really, you gotta watch your blood sugar. Me, i had mine way down. But with the pizza, the great semolina breads, and I been drinking a couple or few beers a day all summer long, it shot up over 6. My weight dropped a little, but the sugar went up. The doc just read me the riot act , but I felt the sugar first. No more booze or much bread for a while, & then, honestly, I'll be too scared to have more than an occassional drink of alcohol.... Be careful Norm. .....Mike, i hate to say it, but i gotta cut the pizza way back too.

Ben, people say pop all through the midwest. First time i recall hearing it was in '81, the first time I moved to St. Louis. I might have heard the word used in the south prior, but if so, it didn't register....People in Iowa strike me as genuinely nice. I only been through it briefly a few times, but had an overall good impression.... My old veterinarian was from Iowa, grew up on a big family farm. He was a captain in the Green Berets, after Viet Nam he came to NYC. Nicest guy, best vet you could imagine. In 09, in his late 70s,, he was still practicing, & was still the best vet for my money,still usually driving to his building on his Harley... i think he practiced till 2013.....I use the word humdinger once in a while. It's a helluva good word.



Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:45:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In case the Americans don't know, Dunc, I'll point out that Irn-bru is the UK third best selling soft drink (Coca-Cola 1, Pepsi - 2). In Scotland, Irn-bru is number one.

Al, do you remember Tizer? Do they still make it?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:42:26 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Statistics

Carbonated beverage consumption, 2011. Per capita per annum.

USA - 216 litres

Canada - 119 litres

Australia - 100 litres

UK - 96 litres

Italy - 50 litres

Japan - 21 litres

It's spectacularly different. When I read about it, the US climate was cited, but Australia is as hot or hotter and drier. TEN times as much as Japan!

Actually gun deaths show a similar discrepancy with US at the top, Japan at the bottom. Has anyone put it down to sugar craving?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:17:08 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: seltza ain't soda, it's so much more

Jeff A, are you michugannah. Seltza isn't merely "soda", it's Jewish Perrier. Particularly lemom/lime seltza on the rocks. It is most refreshing.

On a side note, my wife is from Iowa and does say 'pop' on occasion. She also says 'humdinger' once in a while, which I doubt that any one born on the east coast would dare utter.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 14:01:57 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Thanks

I'd read that somewhere about 'ginger'- good to get confirmation.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 13:24:48 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ginger

Soft driinks are called ginger in the west of Scotland, unless ordering irn bru or coke - then it's just their name.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 11:50:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Norm. I have a suspicion the standard sign might be SOFT DRINKS.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 11:41:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sign , Sign every where a sign!

Truth is Peter, in the 2 Walmart Stores here, (Campbell River & Courtenay) they don't even have a sign pertaining to soft drinks, (which in most stores here is what they are called). They are just in an isle that pertains to, fruit juices, bottled water, and soft drinks).


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:59:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kink …

Norm, you just reminded me. In the new Mojo, Dave Davies.

Q: If push comes to shove, what is your favorite album of all time?

DAVE DAVIES: If I was forced at gunpoint to pick just one, I'd have to say 'The Band' by The Band. The feeling in some it just blinds me. It's really beautiful.

Back to pop v soda, what I really want to know about the sign in the supermarket is whether the big chains like WalMart or Whole Foods change the aisle sign regionally, or whether they stick to one. And is it pop or soda? Or soft drinks?


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:21:56 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dion

The Dion song.......in case any one was interested is "I wonder Why".........and it's GREAT!


Entered at Mon Aug 24 10:17:23 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Pop goes the gawd damn weasel.........I guess

My good friend Al Edge gave an explanation of "pop" along with many others here. Perhaps it wasn't read by the "authority".

Any way Al linked a Dion youtube song. Thanks Al, it was great. Here is another Dion. Now this is really Rock & Roll. We were playing this stuff before most of the flakes now a days even know what rock & roll really is..........YEAH!! Oh man.........I did something wrong, it tells me the video doesn't exsist........."walks away with his tail between his legs."


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:54:04 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Kink!

Pop is traumatizing! Order a Cream Soda you'll walk out like a man. Listen to yourself Jeff. You spend most of your time here putting every one else down who doesn't think like you do. Fact is I don't believe you even think before you start running your mouth off.

It wasn't me who came up with the term "pop". It is what it has always been called as many people have confirmed here, (including Joan). I guess we are all just idiots and (as usual) you are the only one who is right! Give your head a shake. Maybe, "just maybe" there are terms in the rest of the world different from where you live.

I've come to realize over many years that a conversation with you is just an absolute waste of time. You have a mind like a railroad, "one track". Oh and as you always ask everyone who disagrees with you to apologise, no.......I won't because you don't know your ass from that hole in your head that all this crap keeps spewing out of.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:07:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

By 48th, I mean 49th.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:04:16 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Fizzy drinks

Pop v soda. For selfish reasons (the book I’m working on), I was fascinated by the link to pop v soda com and the maps. It was a large study and detailed. If you go to image search, there are several different maps so lots of surveys. I knew that pop was Canada, and the West / Mid West along the 48th Parallel, but I didn’t know the large generic ‘coke’ area in the South, nor the extent of the ‘pop’ area. The study is detailed … the map with most detail points something out in Florida. Most of it matches the South as ‘coke’ … but when you look closer, Greater Miami, Orlando, Tampa are ‘soda.’ i.e. the largest populations, and those with immigration from elsewhere and tourists.

The UK … I think – please correct me if this is just Southern England … was pop when I was a kid, but then ‘pop’ fell out of use. We’ve always had ‘cream soda’ as a specific type. We have soda water (unflavoured, unsweetened) as in ‘whisky and soda.’ But soda is something you put down the drain to unblock it.

Reading about the survey, I strongly suspect that in most transactions in both North America and the UK, brand is used. ‘A Sprite / Seven-Up / Pepsi / Diet Coke … please.’

So the question comes down to ‘What do they label the aisle in the supermarket?’ In the UK it’s usually ‘soft drinks’ though I have seen a surprise one: ‘lemonades’ (in the UK, lemonade is always a fizzy drink like Sprite … for a still drink made with lemons we’d say ‘Real lemonade.’ ) I took lots of smartphone pictures in the USA as notes for the book, and certainly in California and New York the aisle was labelled ‘Soda.’

So my question, if you live in a ‘pop’ region, is the supermarket aisle labelled ‘pop’ on the overhead sign?

BTW, look at the maps. Compare it to election result maps. An alien might deduce ‘Democratic states drink soda. Republican states drink pop.’


Entered at Mon Aug 24 09:03:05 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 08:43:44 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

An aside Norm. One of the bars in Henry Hill's book Wiseguy, (I'm not certain it made it in to the movie adaptation, which was Goodfellas) was Harry's 5 O' Clock Lounge. Harry, the bar owner, was a shylock. Around 72 - 74, i was in there a few times. Sometimes Harry's 5 O' Clock Lounge was my stepfathers' Bank Of America. that's the tip of the ice berg.... There's a lot more, but, i wouldn't write it here.

But, again, go into Harry's or some other bar and ask for a pop- say, hey i want a pop....they mighta thought you' were asking to have some one killed....


Entered at Mon Aug 24 08:24:46 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.179)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norm, now lets get this straight......

The scene is Vegas, in the early 40s. Bugsy Siegel, of The Williamsburg Siegels, ordering a Cream Soda , Gimme a Cream Soda.....- can you see him saying- Gimme a Cream Pop?

I'll have a Black Cherry Pop don't work either. Gimme a black cherry soda- it's musical.

Seltzer is soda. It sure ain't pop.

An egg cream is a soda.

Pop, is traumatizing. We've heard it everywhere we go. But I'm no fucking missionary. I don't try to convert no one. Those that hear it said correctly, & come to, correct their geographically engendered birth defects on their own. Those that don't see the light, & continue to say Pop, well, they might make it in to Heaven any way. I ain't gonna try to stop em :-)

On a similar note, there's a whole bunch of people in St Louis who picked up the expression "rat bastard scumbag f***" . Just cause it sounded so right to em. "The Whammies", Brooklynese for a jinx or "the evil eye", goes over big most places....... Try it Norm. Go somewhere, ask for a Cream pop. See how you feel asking for it.

Then go somewhere else, ask for a Cream Soda. And you'll walk out like a man.

:-) :-)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 07:28:19 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: SPORTS!!???

I don't get it Pat, are you joking? With all respect, (and I respect you a lot) you talk about hockey and the "Black Hawks" when it suits you.....so I don't get it. I'm serious, am I missing something here?

Your buddy "Jeff" who we know KNOWS EVERYTHING! just aways back eluded to (what he considers) the fact, soft drinks are called "soda" and "pop" is an old man.......well as Joan has said, and many others It has been called "POP" since time began.

I mentioned the movie, "The Last Picture Show" based on a 1950's town in Texas. Soda pop, or very often "Sody Pop" was the nick name of the day. I guess the Brooklyn Boy just doesn't get out much. But then that Brooklyn bunch of mobsters never stray very far from home. That fact is born out in many of the movies such as "A Bronx Tale". Or "Good Fellas". You can never expect them to tell the truth about any thing :-) :-)


Entered at Mon Aug 24 02:58:02 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.129)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Tronna

Pat B: Even sports is better than another round of rhyming slang.

Joan: That sounds familiar. Coke, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Sprite, Seven-Up, Teem, ginger ale, ginger beer - all 'pop', though we knew that was short for 'soda pop', which the Americans we saw on TV chose to shorten to 'soda'. But here, like Ohio I guess, a 'soda' was a scoop of icecream in pop.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 02:04:52 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Please. Posters, we received the directive from Coach SD to refrain from the sports talk. C'mon.


Entered at Mon Aug 24 00:30:41 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Cherries

To be fair P you outplayed us in a pure footballing sense and whilst we could have had a few more in the end I felt we were fortunate to get the three points.

As for yesterday - very impressive and well deserved.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:57:46 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

JQ, could be true. I'm kind of frightened of English women with brooms (from experience) though brooms are softer than frying pans.

I read the "Spycatcher" books as a kid, and apparently the Germans machine-gunned Bournemouth Gardens on a Sunday afternoon when lots of Canadian troops were there, killing many. The German planes were shot down and the pilots came to shore and were badly beaten up … for which those beating them up were prosecuted and punished. Proving we followed the rule of law.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:45:49 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Broom Brigades

Hi Peter - I sorta recall this from a long time ago and I don't know if there's any truth to it, lemme know:

The Broom Brigades were the housewives in England, who, during that era, would rush to any German that parachuted out of his disabled plane and beat him to death with their brooms??

It makes me think John McCain shouldn't complain so much about his Vietnamese captors!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 21:22:30 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Pop

o I went to school in Ohio in the 60s. I came from New York and I felt like I was entering new land in New York we call things like Pepsi Coke soda but when I asked for soda there they told me was pop pop is what we call soda and ask soda is an ice cream soda. .The other thing I discovered was what they called phosphates. Orange or strawberry. This traumatic for an Eastern girl


Entered at Sun Aug 23 18:51:44 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Naff?

Blimey!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 17:33:08 CEST 2015 from (96.252.238.93)

Posted by:

Ray

Location: Woodstock
Web: My link

Subject: The old '49 Hudson

Greetings Everyone from Woodstock Ray, I was an old friend of Rick Danko, and we had many happy times together. Back in 1970 he gave me a 1949 Hudson ( my first car) and I towed it from Big Pink into Woodstock,( did't run too good) Cicle Rep rode around town in it that summer, ( Brad Dourif was in the co.then). later Happy Traum got it. Has anyone seen the Green 1949 Hudson Commodore car in recent years?, Thanks, Ray


Entered at Sun Aug 23 16:13:18 CEST 2015 from (84.209.82.110)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham (currently in Drobak)

Subject: Less than stellar

You're right Peter. We saw it at the flicks when it was released and we thought the same. And when you could make out what he was saying (and I love him in Lone Star and True Detective) the things he was made to say were naff!


Entered at Sun Aug 23 11:52:43 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Battle of Britain

Never have so many owed so much to so few … (Winston Churchill).

Excellent article on The Battle of Britain, which we remember today, by Patrick Bishop (author of Fighter Boys, Bomber Boys) in today’s Sunday Times. As they no longer allow full web access, I’ll mention an incident in August 1940. The average pilot age was 20. One was shot down near Canterbury but parachuted safely down. He had shrapnel wounds so was taken to the hospital and bandaged up, then dropped at the train station as there was no transport to take him back to his base. He was standing there on the platform in his flying gear, bandages round him, and his valuable silk parachute under his arm. He was bewildered and embarrassed by the people lining up to shake his hand.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 10:37:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Interstellar

We watched it on DVD last night. A question … is it us, or was Matthew McConaughey virtually incomprehensible? A mixture I thought of slurred accent, very poor articulation, and the fact that it was obviously nearly all overdubbed so not matching any seen lip movements. OK, the plot is hard enough, but I haven't found any American film this hard to "hear and understand the words and accent" since Brokeback Mountain, which many British found unintelligible. I was so worried about my hearing - and I have a good sound system … that I put on Some Like It Hot to check. Crystal clear.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 03:35:00 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.155)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Have you beem to the new Pembina Sals to see the Winnipeg Jets guitar signed by both Neil Young AND Bobby Hull?

I got that factoid from the incredibly detailed book titled "Young Neil: The Sugar Mountain Years". Among many things it shows off just how incestuous the Canuck rock scene was/is. We have Neil the 15-year-old and school buddies Comrie Smith and Hal Greer learning to play together and going to a church basement to hear Terry Bush's band play "Baby Jean" and "Bo Diddley" in the Ronnie Hawkins style. A few years later, Bush would be Hawkins' lead guitarist (taking over for Troiano, who'd taken over for Robertson). A couple of years later, Hal Greer would be in Hawkins' group (with John Till and King Biscuit Boy). Comrie Smith would become 3's A Crowd's first bassist when they expanded from folk trio to rock band; the group's third bassist turned out to be Ken Koblun, Neil Young's sidekick in a couple of his Winnipeg bands, notably the Squires.


Entered at Sun Aug 23 02:43:10 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Peter Stone Brown interview with John Lee Hooker


Entered at Sun Aug 23 00:23:15 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: IPhone

Subject: Hair

Where did Donald Trump buy that hair? Think it's a nice topping.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 23:53:40 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Beware of Mr. Baker

Ginger Baker doc. (hilarious at 2’35”)

Stones: Perhaps their above average sized ears created a bond that kept them together for 50 years.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 22:57:07 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Subject: Love

Pete Brown (White Room) on Cream:

“They're great musicians. I don't like fakers, and Cream never faked it, not for a second. They loved what they did. Even when they didn't love one another that much, they loved what they were doing.”

(Note drummer Ginger Baker doesn’t look like a loving Creamer to me in the YouTube link :-)

There is an analogy with The Band here, except in The Band there was love, care, friendship.

Maybe the Band split because Robbie wrote the songs but Levon was the leader? (or there was no leader....even better?) and Robbie searched fulfillment elsewhere?

Anyway, why are the Stones still together in spite of their animosities? [Jagger: "I mean, The Rolling Stones, we have lots of, any internal group of people always have varying relationships with each other, so the dynamic changes.]. What made the difference? Was Jagger lost without the Stones? Or was it just luck?

We’ll never know and it doesn’t matter.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 18:30:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, at last … Four goals away! West Ham 3 Bournemouth 4. The relief here is palpable


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:37:40 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Parkie

Yeah - that was the same up by us Pete. Sounds, too, as if the Hitler muzzie and limp was a pre-requisite too!!

I just though the Millie was there to rhyme with chilly and hence the parky. I dunno. I just became attached to it years ago and don't wanna let go!!

:-0)

Always loved that track Jerry. My favourite Steely Dan song - and very possibly their least Steely Dannish number. Loved David Palmer's vocals.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:23:27 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: parkie (noun)

Couldn’t find a reference to ‘Park Road Millie’ but it sounds a good one. Why was it Park Road Millie? Was she a lady renowned for coldness?

“A parkie” was a park-keeper, a job that’s long gone, but round us, they wore blue semi-military or police uniforms with a cap, and patrolled play parks, or as we called them “recs” (recreation grounds). Our local parkie sported a Hitler moustache, a weird choice in the mid-1950s, and was of course known as ‘Hitler.’ He had a limp and was fond of citing his war service. It meant we could out-run him though. Years later, when I worked in the museum as a student, he’d been moved to this less “parky” duty (it was nice and warm in the museum). He still had the moustache. I discovered that his hobby was going to the sand dunes at Studland with a pair of binoculars and camera with telephoto lens, and observing “courting couples” as they were called.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:20:53 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Brooklyn (Owes The Charmer Under Me)

Susannah Mushatt Jones at 116 years (+47 days) is the oldest confirmed living person on earth. She is at the Vandalia nursing home in Brooklyn. The oldest man confirmed is 112 and in Japan. (recent story in news about him). Neither smoke nor drink.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:16:47 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Parky

So isn't it 'Park Road Milly' then P?

Huge disappointment if not the case. I've only just got over the crushing blow of Easter Bunny fer fecks sake. Now you're telling me Park Road Milly was a feckin hoax too!!!

What next?

Pat telling me Richard never played piano on Whispering Pines!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Sat Aug 22 13:01:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

'kosher' for 'genuine' is not "rhyming slang" but it is a "London-ism."


Entered at Sat Aug 22 12:58:59 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: parky

Interesting. I spent a while tracing this. All sorts of opinions, none clear. I'd thought it was 'parquet floor' (raw … i.e. cold). Variously on the net people claim it's 'Northern', 'Scottish' and 'Cockney.' Cobblers (cobblers awls … 'balls!'), as my parents and grandparents always said it in Dorset / Hampshire. I reckon it's one of those like 'Use your loaf' (loaf of bread = head, i.e 'think about it') and 'Tell porkies' (porkie pies = lies) that are used right across Britain.

Generally, rhyming slang derivations that are used right across Britain were from London, and spread in the military. For example, "kosher" in London meant "authentic", so if someone offered to sell you a Rolex watch for £10, you might say 'That's not a kosher Rolex.' My dad always used that, and working in the motor industry, a genuine Ford spare part for a Ford car was "kosher" but a generic spare part for a Ford card was "not kosher."

I tried it out and I don't think 'Growler' is well-known outside London.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 11:28:10 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Growler/Pop/Soda

Never heard of growler Pete.

My favourite cockney Rhyming slang has always been Parky - short for Park Road Milly [chilly] - definitely a term that found its way to every British nook and cranny

:-0)

Pop to us was always what we termed lemonade. But was only ever used in the phrase 'bottle of pop'. You'd never say i want a drink of pop. Only ever a drink of lemonade or as we'd say up here a lemmo.

Soda - only ever heard in connection with new York and doo wop never did get to know what it actually was. I guess our nearest usage was bicarbonate of soda.

Link is Brooklyn or is it Bronx's Dion recreating his doo wop days with his wonderful take on Brucie's beautiful 'If I Should Fall Behind'


Entered at Sat Aug 22 10:02:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lipstick On Your Collar

See the link. Connie Francis solves that vexed soda v pop question.

One for David P, the maps and discussions below them point to the generic use of the word 'coke' for any carbonated drink in the South, but someone from Georgia added the generic use of 'CoCola' for Georgia, which was new to me … I did know that the Real Thing originated in Atlanta.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 08:14:14 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Location: Under the sound of bow bells

Growler ... Rhyming slang from 'growl and grunt.' Rhyme on second word as usual. Used in the sexual sense, not in the personal insult sense. A.A Gill did a Sunday Times food review about it listing some amusing US signs he had seen. Growler for container is not known in Britain. While the rude rhyming slang is listed, I tried it on non-Londoners after the article, and recognition of the rude meaning was about one in five only. So not universal, which is why my warning was East End of London rather than UK.


Entered at Sat Aug 22 05:30:42 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Battle of Brooklyn

Linked


Entered at Sat Aug 22 04:00:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: BLIND WILLIE STATESBORO BLUES

Long distance between here & the Allmans. Larry Johnson. Harlem,N. Y., via Riceville , Georgia, a stop in between. Still breathing, not performing, Larry sounded like no one else. A Garth of the guitar in a way.....You could hear the influences, but never figure out how he did it. Piedmont blues.....overlooked, maybe even for the most part forgotten, but we're all in it's debt. ........Hard country .............yields hard people.......... and music that never stops playing somewhere or in some one's head


Entered at Sat Aug 22 02:38:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Blind Willie

East St Louis


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:51:33 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Naïveté is my co pilot

Peter - What's the rhythm thing with growler?


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:44:48 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: pop vs soda

Have a look at this site: popvssoda.com


Entered at Fri Aug 21 23:36:56 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: MOJO

In the search of the origin of the MOJO, I've landed in 1831 Jamaica, Baptist War.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:42:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: POTUS parties on

Mr. Obama's Summer playlists ("Day" and "Night").

Going by what I recognize here, a pretty solid Boomer set of choices . . . .
Of note to me personally, it shares one (terrific) track with the Mrs.'s recent 'pool party playlist' ("Hot Fun in the Summertime"); I 'approve very strongly' of the Stones' choice ("Gimme Shelter"). Also, "You Don't Know Me" has a lot of resonance; Richard's solo version is the one thing I remember most vividly from the one The Band concert I was privileged to attend (one with the Cates, I think).


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:31:28 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pop is a sound, or an older man. Or short for a popsicle. Soda is soda water, carbonated soda water. By the time the info got a few pony express riders or stagecoach relays away from civilization here in the NorthEastern parts of the Americas., it got all fucked up. And there ya go. We understand. Right Landmark & Joan?. We don't agree with it, but we understand.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:15:18 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: The ultimate "Sody Pop"

No relation to me........if you've never tried it some of their products are hard to beat whether you like the sugar, or sugar free and other products. It's good stuff.

I'm not a soft drink lover either Jerry, however when I bought the Rockin Chair, the previous owner had left in the fridge some cans of "green tea" ginger ale. Now that stuff is good and really! settles your stomach.

Like you I eat half the bread on the sandwich. It's like lead in my gut. If I have fish and chips most places I generally pull off a lot of the batter. As with prawns. The worst thing you can do to the wonderful delicate taste of prawns is to put some grease soaked gawd damn batter on it. Same as they wrap bacon around scallops..AIIIIEEE!. I love bacon but to ruin a scallop with that greasy taste is immoral!

I again looked up Dr. Pepper, made in Waco, Texas beginning 125 years ago is said to be the first sody pop. However an Englishman discovered and began carbonating water in 17something or other.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 21:01:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Soda... what's soda? Carbs-the enemy

I never use the word 'soda'. Pop is what we always called it. Never drink the sugar stuff anymore. I can tolerate the sweetened stuff and I'm not worried about all the bad things that are said about sweeteners. Carbs are the enemy (though I love them dearly...I try to keep them to a minimum and certainly less than I used to consume 20 years ago). Pizza is the exception! As for burgers and sandwiches, I take 1 bread-side off and leave it behind.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 20:44:13 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Or the root beer too Joan. It's so rare i drink soda, but when i do, it's cream, root beer, black cherry, celray or orange. Or, a Manhattan Special - ITalian Coffee soda.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 20:29:26 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cherry Soda

Funny........I noticed it was either Jerry or Landmark used the word soda too. Out here soft drink has always been called "pop".

I know somewhere long ago, I read the first soda soft drink ever was "Dr. Pepper" which is cherry soda. If memory serves it comes from Texas. Remember the "Last Picture Show?"

Now I'm gettin' out on that big ol' Rockin Chair for a couple days. Y'all have a good weekend. I got to practise being a tourist.....one of these days I'll actually make it!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:47:57 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff

Subject: Dedication

Joan, Dr Brown's anything is great. Cel Ray, Cream, or Black Cherry.

Mike, in general I'm a toppings free guy. Great pizza needs nothing. I discovered that particular veggie pie cause of a friend. We sat down to dinner, in Paulie's pizza place, and she asked what about toppings. Shocked the hell out of me, cause I dont think about, Now we're both vegetarians, and I'm generally adverse to toppings unless i know they will eb great. So I asked her, what would you like, sardines? And she said, i can do sardine,s but this veggie pie looks good. So, being a gentleman,and having faith in Paulie, I said one veggie pie coming up.... Now, i had eaten the regular & fresh mozz pie in this place before, and had bs ed with the owner quite a bit, but gotta tell ya that veggie pie was a shock to me, cause i never had a veggie pie to die for before. This is to die for pie. The keys, obviously the crust & the preparation of everything, but each ingredient is fresh, & cut & if required, prepared special for the pie on order. No mass production. Custom, fresh, pie, made with dedication. Dedication to what's right, tradition, excellence, and satisfaction is what makes great food.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:15:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A growler store? If you find yourself in East London, David, never never ask if there's a growler store nearby. It's one of the most extreme American English / Cockney rhyming slang contrasts in meaning!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 19:06:32 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

joan

Subject: Landmark

I don't know about black Cherry soda but Dr Brown's cream soda. Some like The celray Tonic but i'LL stick with cream


Entered at Fri Aug 21 17:46:47 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Tube Steaks

There's a great charcuterie shop near me in Avondale that sells a fine variety of sausages, hot dogs, salami, bacon and other cured meats made on-site. It's conveniently located just around the corner from a growler store that offers around thirty varieties of draft beers & ales to go in quart & gallon jugs. They also have some non-alcoholic beverages such as root beer. Microbreweries are on the rise here in Georgia and there's two just down the street from the growler store.

Link above to Buck Owens' great 1957 song "Hot Dog."


Entered at Fri Aug 21 15:20:12 CEST 2015 from (212.21.66.6)

Posted by:

Dorothy

Subject: The Old Dixie Highway ..

I know it's only about a couple of miles or so long but why.. why..why?


Entered at Fri Aug 21 14:45:07 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan's children

Heard this on Radio 2 this morning . . . think of it as a companion piece to "Forever Young" (with a passing nod to "Sisters of Mercy").


Entered at Fri Aug 21 12:40:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Hot dogs in London

I recalled the story (1997) off an angry Prince Andrew confronting hot dog sellers outside Buckingham Palace because of the smell. I found the linked article. It seems hot dog vending is a semi-criminal enterprise in the UK!


Entered at Fri Aug 21 11:28:04 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Transatlantic Sessions

Thanks Rockin' Chair.

There are now 200 videos on You Tube of Transatlantic sessions. Musicians put together by Jerry Douglas and Ally Bain from both sides of the pond come together and play every year.

Well worth a look.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 05:29:14 CEST 2015 from (173.3.50.83)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Biblical Decisions.

Hot Dog Authority.


Entered at Fri Aug 21 02:44:14 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Well Humph!

Well I'm assuming "Landmark" is an authority -:)

I make the best hot dogs in North America........make no mistake about it. Pure Beef jumbo dogs....never boiled or on those heat machines that rotisorie. That's all crap.

The dogs got to be on the barbecue or broiler. You add sautayed mushrooms and onions, chopped tomatoes and garlic baby dills and I make my own mustard mix....DON'T ASK ME!...I won't say.

I've been smoking & pickling fish and meat for 30 years. We even smoked deer meat tender loin. Although I don't do that any more because I don't hunt any more. I'm too damn old.

Pickled corn beef that is rinsed well and given a soft smoke is the best. You don't have to come from Montreal to know how to do that -:)


Entered at Fri Aug 21 02:21:20 CEST 2015 from (70.80.237.104)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Schwartz's is still the best. Abie's on the West Island is supposed to reopen as the West Island Deli. The guy worked at Schwartz's for years and managed to replicate their smoked meat recipe. Otherwise, Smoked Meat Pete's works in a pinch. By the way, Kevin, they would never ruin a Forum hotdog with relish. It was served with mustard only, not even plain as it would screw up the assembly process. Speaking of Schwartz's, I went to a supermarket not far from my house and picked up 2 12 packs of Cott's Black Cherry soda. The best drink to have with any deli order.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 23:58:42 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: God, red nu 'ns 'n underdog
Web: My link

Subject: Yankovic (Bob) & Jayhawks (Take Me With You When You Go)

I, man, am regal - a German am I
Never odd or even
If I had a hi-fi
Madam, I'm Adam
Too hot to hoot
No lemons, no melon
Too bad I hid a boot
Lisa Bonet ate no basil
Warsaw was raw
Was it a car or a cat I saw?

Rise to vote, sir
Do geese see god?
"Do nine men interpret?" "Nine men," I nod
Rats live on no evil star
Won't lovers revolt now?
Race fast, safe car
Pa's a sap
Ma is as selfless as I am
May a moody baby doom a yam?

Ah, Satan sees Natasha
No devil lived on
Lonely Tylenol
Not a banana baton
No "x" in "Nixon"
O, stone, be not so
O Geronimo, no minor ego
"Naomi," I moan
"A Toyota's a Toyota"
A dog, a panic in a pagoda

Oh no! Don Ho!
Nurse, I spy gypsies - run!
Senile felines
Now I see bees I won
UFO tofu
We panic in a pew
Oozy rat in a sanitary zoo
God! A red nugget! A fat egg under a dog!
Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog


Entered at Thu Aug 20 20:33:07 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The Boxer

That's a nice version Norm. Of course it was Fred Carter, Jr. who played the guitar & dobro overdubs with Paul Simon on the original S&G recording. He later recorded a version himself on an obscure LP I discovered one day in a record store (link above).


Entered at Thu Aug 20 19:45:19 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Shawn Colvin & Allison Kraus .. The Boxer

Thanks for that clip David. Doesn't she do a great job! On the side bar was that vid. of the Boxer.

My reason for noting it. To me this is the best this song could ever be done. As well as those ladies lovely voices together. Jerry Douglas' dobro is sad and wonderful. He has together a group of master musicians. As he plays through the verses his dobro is just at the perfect volume to be heard and enhance their singing. It doesn't get any better.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 19:04:03 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Shawn Colvin Uncovered

Shawn Colvin performing "Acadian Driftwood" live with Steuart Smith. She recorded a version for her upcoming album "Uncovered," to be released on Sept. 25.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 18:45:45 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.134)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: thanks for the link to the Ducats. I used to have that 45, and may still, but I never managed to find their '65 LP or their earlier indie rockabilly 45. They went country later on, recording as the Country Ducats.

A couple points came to mind reading John D's post about Terry Danko a couple days ago. First, it hadn't occurred to me before how easy it is to confuse Atkinson, Danko and Ford with the later Andersen, Danko and Fjord. Second, the CNE Bandshell at which the TLW tribute band will play is the same place I saw Bob Seger back in '72. Likely the same price too - free with admission to the park grounds. Today's paper ran a couple articles on the history of the Bandshell. One noted that hit-parade music arrived in '49, as tamely sung by the all-women Leslie Bell Singers. (All women except for the leader, Richard Leslie Bell, father of the future Band member of the same name.) the other article mentioned the performance by the group Brave Belt, who were on the cusp of global stardom under a new name, Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Brave Belt played right after Seger, I believe, though I wandered away after Bob so missed the nascent BTO. I did wander back for some later acts that afternoon / evening (it was Youth Day), including the closer, the Mike Quatro Jam Band (which consisted of Quatro and a drummer, whose name I remember as Kirk Elliott). Appraently the closing act in 2014 was April Wine, who were the closing act in '71 when I saw them. (


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:51:31 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Brooklyn Mail Mystery

Gotta go along with Kev's findings.

Deffo that Jeff mistook Pete's card for one of them veggie pizza pies and woofed it down in one bite.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:24:22 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Mild Victoria and sometimes cold and snowy Toronto

Subject: Canada and igloos

Norm: Rain in Vic? What's that? A small amount maybe 2 weeks ago for a few minutes. That was it. As for cold, I took pictures when it snowed 'decently' about 5 years ago. Not lately.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:18:57 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Responding

Good morning! It is 08:13 AM here at least. NWC that is a nice picture of a fine looking old ship.

Jerry, now I guess I'm going to have to go to Noo Yawk to find out. I need to get down there to visit my old friend Lars any way. I've owed him a visit for a few years now.

Isn't it amazing how they talk about Canada and our "Frozen North". In New York, Wisconsin, Conneticut and down a lot of that eastern sea board they have very harsh winters. Here we enjoy very mild weather and little snow. When was the last time it rained in Vic. Jerry?


Entered at Thu Aug 20 17:01:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sandwiches in 2015

Norm: I'm looking forward to hearing from the Montreal contingent on the smoked meat/corned beef situation for 2015. Then of course, NYC and Brooklyn will add their view that nothing beats what is found in those delis. And they are probably correct. We'll listen and learn.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 16:53:32 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Corned Beef and smoked meat sandwiches

Norm: I agree about Moxie's Montreal smoked beef sandwich. It isn't Schwartz's (still my favourite) but it is good! When your not in Montreal, its nice to see that a chain is trying hard to make it good. Victoria's Moxies and Toronto's does that just fine. For corned beef, The Pickle Barrel in Toronto consistently provides a top notch sandwich. Sadly, there is no real good deli that I can find in Victoria.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 15:42:32 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Highway 61 Revisited revisited

This looks interesting - H61R revisited by Watkins Family Hour and Friends. The 'friends' include Al Kooper and Shawn Colvin; the Hour includes Fiona Apple and Benmont Tench.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 12:06:49 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Old-timers

A pic of a local ... errr ... old-timer. Especially to Rockin Chair :-)


Entered at Thu Aug 20 02:31:35 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Music....what else!

Damn...that's good stuff Joe.On the side bar from your video was this vid of George Jones.....playing that monster song of his. On the Ronnie Prophet Show.

I played music in the Bootlegger Cabaret with Ronnie in 1979. He signed that old guitar strap of mine. It's so old now all those 100 or so names on it are all fading now.

Ronnie has a son named Tony. He lived out in the Vancouver area for some time. Don't know if he still does. He was a hell of a guitar player, as well as his gigs he taught guitar. We used to run into each other at a lot of jan sessions.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 01:50:34 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: 55 years in R & R

Listened to one of my rock n roll heroes being interviewed on radio the other day. Lewis "Butch' Skinner, best known as a member of the 60s Newfoundland band, the Ducats, was reminiscing about jamming with Scotty Moore, Bill Black, Willie Rainsford and Chet Atkins and backing up Little Richard and Chubby Checker. Said he bought a left handed Gibson (Everly Bros. model) in a Toronto pawn shop and after much persuasion , sold it to Paul McCartney.

Lew is still very much in the game and waxes enthusiastic about the new generation of musicians.

Link is to the Ducats version of the Jagger/Richards 'Off the Hook' from mid 60s.


Entered at Thu Aug 20 01:13:07 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bassmanlee

You are very welcome my friend. I'm sure every one will agree it is great fun to share some really good music with others here.

There were a lot more of the videos of these concerts on youtube. Unfortunately many of them have been taken away. On the one you have watched I particularly enjoy ol' Mickey Gee's guitar leads. Love the way those guys do these songs. There is a real talented bunch that Bill Wyman got together for these shows.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:59:12 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks Jeff and Calvin. Interesting.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:54:31 CEST 2015 from (70.194.226.35)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Mag Tapes of the Last Waltz

Well, as Robbie is who donated them I'd guess they'll prove he did catch the fly.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:46:30 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

News Flash: The Society Of American Archivists have called a news conference for August 2025 at which they will announce the results of a decade long study of TLW Tapes……….most insiders believe the major finding will be that guitarist Robbie Robertson most definitely DID NOT catch the fly.

Norm: Yes ! Malt vinegar – not just vinegar…..too many times over the years at pubs have I been disappointed when told they don’t have malt vinegar – especially brasseries in Quebec…..the rest of the country is pretty good on that front.

Thanks, Calvin. Interesting actually.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:45:48 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.148)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ahah Mike :-), you're paying close attention.. Maybe I shoulda wrote: Average sex at 56......


Entered at Wed Aug 19 22:06:11 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: 1st add Pies

Interesting, Jeff. That's quite the slice you favor.

But . . . define average sex.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 21:38:11 CEST 2015 from (70.194.226.35)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Mag Tapes of the Last Waltz

So I'm an archivist. Which means at the moment I'm at the Society Of American Archivists National Meeting this week. Specifically I'm sitting in a meeting about Archiving recorded sound.

Why does this matter to you? Because our guest speaker is from the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and he just showed a picture of a whole bunch of magnetic Tapes they recently had donated to them from the Last Waltz, and he said part of the agreement for the donation was they had to go through them all looking for anything was previously unknown.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 20:49:25 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.148)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Well Mike, I'm a vegetarian who eats fish. So that eliminates the meat toppings. I prefer a topping free pie. Regular Brooklyn pie, or fresh mozz, or white cheese pie. But, one place where I go has a veggie pie, well,eating this pie is better than having average sex.....fresh mozzarella, sautéed spinach, black olive, artichoke hearts and sun-dried tomato. The crust is perfect, seems a little thick, but it's not really. And even with these ingredients you can fold the pie after the first bite. All the ingredients Paulie uses are fresh, they sautee the spinach when they make the pie. You taste the freshness, & of course, the garlic. And the sundried tomatoes give a great taste of balsamic vinegar...It's a killer pie..... First few times I had it we ordered the pie, sat with a bottle of vino..About a month ago I stopped in, got 2 slices off the veggie pie on the counter, expecting it not to be as good. I was pleasantly surprised that it was just as delish, they start the day with a fresh pie & keep making fresh ones for the counter...Nothing left from the day before.... I can go for mushroom & olives on a pie, aleej ( sardines), other things a guy i know swears by potatoe & onion pies at Sallys in New Haven....But I really enjoy a great slice of plain old abeez!

Brooklyn native working class kids starting families are boxed out here. Stuck in renting apartments for exhorbitant amounts of money. Working several jobs, which never was unusual here.. But lifestyles are getting altered. Having kids, marriage getting put off. If you're like me & start conversations with strangers all day long, Things are kinda different here than before, you don't run across many middle class young couples that are Brooklyn native. You see piles of young couples that are made up of non native New Yorkers, yuppie or hipster or huppy type, and a ton of foreign born young couples with kids. The native kids that often end up leaving, well they could go anywhere The ones that stay, hopefully they get to rent an apartment in a family members or friends two or three family house.... But to give you an idea, I live in Sheepshead Bay. Which used to be costly compared to northern Brooklyn. Today, because almost as far from The City as you can be, we're one of the least costly places to live. A 2 bedroom cooperative apartment starts around 240K. And you still have about a 700 buck monthly maintenace fee. Houses start round 550K.A middle class young couple can't swing that.... You gotta be grandfathered in, or born rich or get lucky to live here today.. I'm guessing you missed this, I recently made a video for Blues For Brooklyn. Linked.

Put that 2 bedroom coop in northern brooklyn Dunc, double the starting price. Some go for a million or two. Regular people are getting boxed out....You asked where do they go? The businessmen don't care.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 19:45:57 CEST 2015 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA

Subject: Chris Rea

Rocking Chair, thanks for that Willie and the Poor Boys link. I only knew Chris Rea from that disk and had no familiarity with his rather extensive catalog. Listening (somewhat guiltily) to selections on YouTube, currently Shamrock Diaries. Good, interesting stuff. Oh, and a few brief glimpses there of one of my faves, Andy Fairweather-Low on that Poor Boys clip. Thanks again.

PSV, this luddite still writes and mails checks and never deposits checks on the ATM. I have bowed to the new millennia and keep the check ledger on the computer. With a paper backup, of course!


Entered at Wed Aug 19 19:25:04 CEST 2015 from (86.128.183.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Enjoyed the posts

Glad To see you posting, David P.

Jeff:I enjoy the Brooklyn posts. If you are young and from a Brooklyn family and you are ready to get your own place, can you afford to buy in Brooklyn. If not, where do you set up home?

Peter, you can find postcards which say will be home late this evening as I'm working overtime tonight.

Kevin. Love BARK's 'Down By The Henry Moore'. Was surprised when I read that the guy who wrote it was born up the road from here.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:43:40 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fries??

KEVIN!!!.........Where HAAAVE you been. Since 1958 when I was in high school....right across the road from the high school was a little old trailer with an addition built on to it that housed a few tables and fold up chairs. A couple of young ladies served up the finest hot dogs, burgers and fries. The order was ALWAYS! malt or apple cider vinegar for your fries. Non of that clear synthetic shit they call "white vinegar". The real deal.

Now for many years one strong choice of many is fries & gravy. A few years ago we began being assaulted with the choice of "dem dare guys", poutine, gravy & goat cheese kurds.........not bad tho'.

At Moxie's in Campbell River, those chefs serve up a "Montreal Beef" sandwich that is unequalled. Stacked high and the smoked beef is to perfection. I have been a lover of "corn beef" my entire life, (and with cabbage sometimes). I do a great job with a corn beef briscuit myself!


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:28:17 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: post-post post

Wrote a letter this morning
Put it in your hat

I got a message in the mail
Ferdinand was thrown in jail

Postal workers . . . another sector erased by technology, like the express riders, hostlers, foot couriers, smoke signallers and drummers they displaced . . . .

Thirty years ago, I worked for a few weeks in a sorting plant. At that time, "mail carrier" reliably took the top spot as the healthiest / least stressful occupation -- fresh air and exercise, social interaction, no strategy conferences. The sorting job (essentially, read the scrawled postal code and key it into the gizmo that bar-coded the envelope) was hell itself. Like any keypunch job. Accuracy and speed inversely related, but the overseers wanted impossible levels of both.

Like RC, we do all business on line. We'll send a batch of cards by mail at Xmas, otherwise zero.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:24:07 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Band on stamp

And thanks to BEG, I can see that very fine Canadian stamp now.

The British classic albums set was pretty good too (linked) as was the truly great Beatles albums set.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 18:09:17 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Only one country I know of has ever had a member of The Band on a stamp - nuff said !

Mike Nomad's question re: toppings on pizza’s, etc. makes for an interesting discussion……..At the legendary Montreal Forum, the hotdogs sold there during hockey games were famous and considered by many to be the very best in the land. While ‘steamies” are considered THE Quebec dish, the Forum actually prepared toasted dogs….the catch was that only mustard and relish were available. They would not here of anything else being put on it ! In Montreal, it is also considered a crime against civilization to butter a bagel…..and bagels and smoked meat are two other food items that really differentiate Quebec from the rest of the country and continent. Mel Brooks once shut down a movie set and moved the entire production out of Toronto based entirely on his dissatisfaction with the quality of bagels available….There are too many differentiating food habits to mention here, one that springs to mind is toppings on French fries…….Folks in or from the USA, usually always opt for ketchup. Canadians and many Europeans, mayonnaise, British, vinegar.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:54:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My ‘post to Scotland’ example reinforces the ‘local delivery office’ issue. There are regular mail flights from the South Coast to Scotland so most of the route is in the automated systems. Local to local never gets into the automated systems.

I can’t recall dissing Stax / Volt, though I would have mentioned that it’s a replica (on the correct site) while Sun Studios is the actual floorboards upon which Elvis, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash stood. And yes, I had my photo taken on the spot where the vocal mic was placed, holding an actual 1950s Sun mic.

The story behind U.S. Male (great) is another fascinating Elvis v the Colonel one. Guitar Man, US Male and Big Boss Man were all cut in one session. They had to employ Jerry Reed to play on Elvis’s cover of Guitar Man because no one else could get it, apparently.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:41:53 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

'Gone Empire!" Splutter! Splutter! I will remind you that only one nation in the world does not have to put its name on stamps, and that's because we invented them. The monarch's head says it all. Shakespeare said it best:

This precious stone set in the silver sea,

Which serves it in the office of a wall

Or as a moat defensive to a house

Against the envy of less happier lands

So no "US Mail" or "Canada" printed on stamps for us! Humph. The envy of less happier lands indeed.

But you know, stamps are going too. There used to be great pictorials, but now they just have a few in for collectors. We always bought interesting stamps because once upon a time a lot of kids from various countries used to write in because of our text books, and they'd be forwarded by our publisher. We prided ourselves on sending replies on postcards with colourful pictorial stamps. Then we were advised not to send nice stamps to certain countries, because it increased the risk of the letters being diverted in the post. Now you take it to the post office and they put a stamp from a printer on it. We still make sure we get "nice stamps" and stick them on but it's getting harder. Local post offices get very few now.

The post is surely going to wither considerably. Utilities companies in the UK now charge £10 extra on your utility bills for handling a cheque. It makes me angry as elderly relatives pay this surcharge (which in the mealy-mouthed way of large companies is described as a "fee waived if you pay online.") The European banks have discussed abolishing cheques altogether. In 2011 they announced cheques would cease in 2018. They had to rescind that after public outcry. But it will happen eventually.

Greetings card shops are everywhere … the profit margin on selling a piece of card for £2.90 is clearly gigantic. But what will happen to them as the postal service gets less reliable? And inexorably, as volume goes down it does. We used to get all our post before 11 am everywhere. Now we get it at 4 pm. We used to be able to send stuff first class post with a 95% chance of someone receiving it early the next day in the UK. No longer.

The weird thing in the UK, is post from Poole to Scotland and vice versa arrives next day. But post from an address in Poole to another address in Poole can take two or three days. We used to post birthday cards the day before. Now you have to allow two or three days.

We were looking in a vintage shop. In the 1890s, people posted Christmas cards on the 24th and they were delivered on the 25th … to any address in the UK.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:41:30 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

The late great Jerry Reed addresses the critics of the U.S.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:22:10 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: pies

Jeff, I'd be curious to know: what do you usually prefer on a slice, or are you a purist . . . relatively toppings-free? As I said, merely curious.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:19:38 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Let’s cut to the chase, it’s Jeff who’s been pinching those envelopes going to Brooklyn……..in all seriousness. I am also a big fan of the postal service – In Canada, at least. A standard letter sent between Toronto and Montreal is 85 cents and items almost always arrive within 2 days – 3 days tops…….Courier is 10 to 20 times that and often takes 2 days……To certain parts of the country like areas of British Columbia a courier from Toronto can take 4 days…..These discussions and complaints often have me thinking of that Bill Gates line where he once said “ah, newspapers, imagine if they hadn’t existed and someone came up with the idea and system of taking all the best bits of the infinite electronic news out there and put it in paper form and had it DELIVERED to your front door by 6:00am every day for about 50cents a day ! That inventor would be hailed a genius.”


Entered at Wed Aug 19 17:17:59 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Postal??.....Just ask NEWMAN! or Cliffy

I'm sure you receive as I do Jerry, the pressures from our utilities such as BC Hydro, credit card companies, Telus. GO-GREEN......receive your bill on line and save paper.

All our utility bills are now paid on line. Sitting at the desk here paying bills then printing the confirmation from your bank on a page. I hand it over to the desk beside me. (My wife, book keeper) and it's all done. As a stamp now costs over a dollar, and the price of checks, envelopes and on and on. No one in their right mind would waste the time and exspense to use the postal service.

The large companies that I do work for like Interfor. We e mail invoice to them. In less than 2 weeks they do electronic deposit to our account and send us e mail advise the deposit has been made.

The postal service when we lived in Powell River used to go across on the ferry, Powell River to Courtenay. 3 or 4 years ago for some reason they quit that. Now mail from Powell River to the north island has to go through Vancouver. It generally takes a week. I use the postal service only when necessary. Their "express post" which is supposed to guarantee overnight cost $12 for a gawd damn letter. That is bullshit.

So Newman on Seinfeld and old Cliffy on....what was the name of that bar show....it just left my head....well they are all "Fired"......that reminds me of you Yankees hero "Donald Trump".\ Isn't it amazing how idiots like him and that old Ross Perault could make a mockery of the US elections. I remember Robin Williams saying Ross looked like a Ferengy, did I spell that right.

Well Trump looks like Alfred E Newman.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 16:38:20 CEST 2015 from (100.11.74.162)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Postal Service

I fully support the US Mail and have found them to be the most reliable deliverer. I like buying stamps, I like paying bills by mail. The United Parcel Service as I recently found out waiting for a pick up doesn't let its workers use cell phones. So much for the 21st century. The only reason the United States Postal Service is in debt is because of an insane law requiring it to fund pensions 70 years in advance. It happens to be the largest employer in the US. A certain person from a tiny gone empire across the pond loves to complain. He didn't like the Stax Volt Museum either. :)


Entered at Wed Aug 19 15:14:55 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: Postal services; What say you?

I admire the support given to national post offices by those who worked in them and use them. However, I think the writing is on the wall. Like so many older institutions (film industry, recording industry etc), they are trying to redefine themselves to continue to exist in the face of evolving technology. Postal delivery to homes are disappearing in Canada. We are not confident in that phenomenon anymore. The express delivery works very well nationally and works well, competing with UPS and Fedex and others. Clearly, this is a change in the character of the postal service. Remember when we paid our bills by post, sent greetings by post, sent personal letters by post (aside from telephone and telegram, there were no other choices). I'd say that we purchase 1/10 the number postage stamps for mail that we did only 10-15 years ago. With that comes the inevitable reduction of services and what I perceive as a slow erosion in the service. I have a lot of respect for what was done in the past and for the continuing efforts of the people involved, but even those who work in the system tell me that things have changed to the negative. Discuss?


Entered at Wed Aug 19 14:47:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mrs V was looking in "The Birthday Book" a kind of oblique astrology, listing the famous people born on a particular day of the year … it's not true astrology in that it only looks at the day and sun sign. She was looking up Labour leadership front runner Jeremy Corbyn.

May 26th. Interestingly, a date shared with both Levon Helm and Stevie Nicks.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 12:38:45 CEST 2015 from (89.105.194.71)

Posted by:

Dorothy

Does anyone know anything about Robbie's book and whether or not he will do the score to the new film abut the Chicago Fair/ serial killer of 1893. I can't find anything about the latter


Entered at Wed Aug 19 07:44:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Post- sorry, a rant it was. I had just phoned to find another card had never arrived. The investment in a greetings card is high. First, Mrs V will have spent ten minutes in each of four shops selecting a card. The card costs half as much as a paperback book, but it’s only basically a book cover. Then we get the grandkids to sign it, or draw or scribble something. Then, knowing the very fine lines now being drawn on dimensions and weight, we take it to a post office so we know it’s right. Then we pay three to four times what the same card cost five years ago to send to the USA.

I worked delivering Christmas post for seven years; the last two years of high school (sixth form) and five years in higher education. Two weeks a year, and yes, it was in those colder days sometimes trudging through snow. (Luxury! I hear you say. I bet you had shoes. We used to deliver it in bare feet …).

The weak part of any postal system is local sorting and delivery. From the Air Mail bag at the post office all the way to the local delivery office in the USA is basically automated. Our current postman is great. But when he’s on holiday, things are different. We get post through our letter box for other addresses. Then we get no post one day (highly unusual) and a double load the next. Yes, the issue can be at either end. Usually delivery is the end where things go wrong. When our son lived in Chicago, post took three days maximum. In Brooklyn, seven to eight is normal. Guaranteed delivery doesn’t work on time either. OK, a decade has seen changes. But it doesn’t get through. Next year, I’ll spend the same money but send a DVD or book from amazon.com for the actual days.

Couriers are not perfect, but this summer UPS has been getting Create Space proofs from South Carolina to England in two days every time. Various publishers will send a single page by courier rather than post.

They do go wrong with couriers. This was a dozen years ago, and I think Fedex. At that time we had regular Fedex US deliveries, mainly illustration samples. One day a bulky pack arrived. I didn’t look at the packet. I just opened it, to find half frame transparencies of the latest General Motors car… or as it turned out, the secret forthcoming car. It was addressed to Vauxhall in the UK (GM), 120 miles away. Instead of calling Fedex, I called Vauxhall. They sent a car 120 miles immediately to collect it. I left them to argue it out with Fedex.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 05:53:46 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Canuucki Kid

Article about a street smart, caring, & considerate young man.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 05:08:00 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Lucali Article

Jerry, the guy is regular Brooklyn, as the article indicates.
BTW, that technique of his for locking the door from inside, whenever i'm in a hotel or motel, aside from locking the door, i additionally jam a chair under it. Just good habit. But see, how marketing works- Lucali usually gets promoted at Broolyn Heights, though it is Carrol Gardens. .. anyway, hard to say about forks & knives. probably give you forks & knives there. One day I'll find out. But, i got two pizzerias i love in Carrol Gardens, and another pizza restuarant named Sam's on Court street that i would go to before Lucali. Sam's been around forever. And it's old school Brooklyn. I'm just really in no hurry to go to Lucali......


Entered at Wed Aug 19 04:50:49 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lucali is not a pizzeria Jerry. It is a pizza restaurant. Very different. I've wanted to give it a shot, & expect it is great. I've just never managed to do it....there might be a wait- & the thought of waiting for a table for pizza, well, it bugs me. I waited 15 minutes at Totonno's in Coney Island, but that's different.....it's not a fancy place in Brooklyn Heights, you're waiting on the street, on Neptune Avenue, in Coney Island, where you can still get whacked just for fun.. Brooklyn Heights, well, it's kinda toney... Totonno's, they give you the pie, & plates. But know not to give you forks & knives. I'm not sure about Lucali's, but i see forks & knives with pizza, they lose points. Most of these pizza restaurants, they give you forks & knives.... I tried Roberta's, forks & knives. Top of the pies were great, the crust, well, somewhere between pizza crust & a tortilla. No joke. But the rest of the pie was great....


Entered at Wed Aug 19 04:15:21 CEST 2015 from (74.75.66.43)

Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Rockport, ME

Subject: U.S. Postal Service

I use the U.S. Postal Service all the time, never had a big problem with it. You are making an quite a few assumptions Viney. I know quite a few people who work for the service as well, and they are far from disgruntled. Maybe you should take a look at yourself before you rant....


Entered at Wed Aug 19 03:56:24 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lucali

Jeff A: What about Lucali? Somebody at NY Times likes it today. I know you said there are many excellent pizzerias serving the best in Brooklyn. But what about Lucali?


Entered at Wed Aug 19 03:15:06 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.86)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete- you are making an assumption that has equal possibility of being right or wrong. It is just as likely that the wankers in your postal system lost your cards intended for your son and his family. I use the USPS 99.9% of the time., i prefer it to UPS & Fed EX. In 2012 i sent three large boxes from St Louis to NYC by UPS. Since then, only USPS.I ship things frequently, never have trouble.


Entered at Wed Aug 19 02:22:28 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Not always

Peter: Received a birthday greeting card in a timely manner at a Toronto address last week from London (not Ontario) UK. (not my birthday; someone close to me) Sometimes it works. But yes, we have problems in our postal system also. This may be the result of the reduction in the need to put a stamp on an envelope to communicate. Lack of practice makes for less than perfect for those who used to do this much better.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 23:22:35 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Hooked

To all regulars, visitors, occasionals, lurkers and other junkies:

Multitasking, e.g. working, painting, writing, singing, or sex AND posting simultaneously is rather inefficient …. we’re hooked on all those little dopamine (reward) shots.

Professional advice: concentrate for 45 minutes on one thing and then post or twitter …… work 2x faster.

Ok I’m off, back to the 45 (please don’t react …. tee-totaling here).


Entered at Tue Aug 18 21:50:13 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Band GB agility contest

I'm working on it.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 21:35:47 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The US Mail

Shut down the US Mail! Three times this year we have bought expensive greetings cards, taken them to the UK post office, had them weighed and stamped and sent them winging their way to the correct address in Brooklyn with the full zip code. None of them ever arrived. Next year we won't bother. Then the disgruntled US postal workers will wonder why they no longer have a job!


Entered at Tue Aug 18 16:51:17 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: There are 1352 guitar pickers in Nashville

Ronnie Hawkins would follow up with two albums recorded in Nashville for Monument Records and producer Fred Foster in 1972 & 1973. Those sessions would result in "Rock 'n Roll Resurrection" and "Giant of Rock 'n Roll." Featured were the cream of Nashville sessions musicians including former Hawk Fred Carter, Jr. Other familar names with Band connections include Stan Szelest and Tim Drummond.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 14:37:48 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Terry Danko

Bill M mentions Atkinson Danko and Ford in his last post. Terry will join Jerome Avis, Lance Anderson various guests and a All-Star Band; at the Bandshell; on Aug. 30th. They will perform songs from The Last Waltz. The Bandshell has been around for decades; on the C.N.E. grounds. You can count on Terry to sing some of his late brothers songs as well as play bass. Terry is his own man and a great talent.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 14:36:09 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Recording off vinyl

I had a chat with a record dealer the other day who specializes in collectable classical (an unusual area). We were talking about hiss, crackle and static and he gave me a simple tip. Play it twice. Record the second time … the first play takes a lot of static out as well as tiny particles of dust. Ideally, clean the record. Play it. Then clean it again. Play and record the second playing. It doesn't always work, but sometimes the result is astonishing. I just tried it with a 45 that looked clean, sounded awful. By the third clean and play it was great.


Entered at Tue Aug 18 09:37:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Muscle Shoals

Amazon's guessing just sent me news of a forthcoming release …"Reaching Out - Chess at FAME Studios" (August 28th). Good guess, and I've ordered it. From the description:

After leasing several masters from Fame's Rick Hall in the mid-60s, Chess started to send their own artists to Muscle Shoals. In 1967 and 1968 some of the best records the company issued were recorded at FAME, including several that revitalised the career of their flagship female artist, Etta James. "Reaching Out" features at least one recording from every Chess-signed act who recorded at FAME, a good many of which have never been on CD before (including unissued goodies from Maurice & Mac and Mitty Collier).

It's on Ace's ever-reliable Kent label. Ace issues of soul are consistently the best with definitive liner notes too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Nice to see the attention paid to Ronnie Hawkins' "Down In The Alley", which did well on the local charts. Thanks to David P for the post about Ronnie's second Cotillion LP, recorded at Criteria. While the US pressing had the Dixie Flyers throughout, the Canadian pressing had different - and to my ears superior - versions of two songs, "Patricia" and "Lonely Weekends", on which Hawkins used his exceptionally tight regular backing band, aka Atkinson, Danko and Ford, with Hilton and Brockie. The Danko was of course Terry, who with age-old buddy Jim Atkinson played on and off with Rick Danko post OQ. Since Mavis Staples has also been mentioned of late, I'll add that the Hilton of that version of the Hawks, Brian Hilton, soon returned to British Columbia to rejoin eventual super-producer David Foster in Skylark, whose wonderful frontman, Donny Gerrard, is now (or was very recently) Mavis's principal onstage vocal foil.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: More Chris Rea...Willie & The Poor Boys... Baby Please don't go

These shows were some of the best rock & roll ever played. I t took me a while back when I first saw these to place all the players.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Das Beil von Wandsbek
Web: My link

Subject: Muddy & Lars

Muddy Waters - Live Dortmund, Germany 29/10/1976
(Muddy Waters Rhythm & Blues Band ZDF)

Muddy Waters: Vocals
Guitar Luther Johnson: Guitar
Bob Margolin: Guitar
Jerry Portnoy: Harmonica
Pinetop Perkins: Piano
At the end Junior Wells plays a few songs along

One hour - Five minutes & Thirteen seconds Band time feeling.

Lars how's your back?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Hawk

Ronnie Hawkins worked with Tom Dowd and Duane Allman again for his 1971 Cotillion album "The Hawk" at Criteria Studios in Miami, where Mr. Dowd had relocated his recording projects. Also featured were the Criteria "house band" the Dixie Flyers, augmented by Duck Dunn on bass and the Memphis Horns. The Flyers, from Memphis, consisted of Charlie Freeman on guitar, Jim Dickinson on piano, Mike Utley organ and Sammy Creason on drums. Mr. Utley has been a fixture in Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefer Band since the '70s, where he's served as band leader.

The late great James Luther Dickinson, father of Luther and Cody of the North Mississippi Allstars, happened to be at the right place at the right time in late 1969. Writer Stanley Booth, who was hanging out with the Rolling Stones, invited his friend Dickinson to the Stones recording session at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio. As fate would have it, Mr. Dickinson ended up playing the "tack" piano on "wild Horses."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Road to Hell

On the album, bass is credited to Eoghan O'Neill.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Chris Rea

Does anyone know the bass player on Chris Rea's highway to hell. It looks a lot like Rick Danko in the kind of build and the way he moved I did not get a really good look at the face but there was a lot about him that reminded me of Rick


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Muscle Shoals Sound Studio Timeline

The second Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section left Rick Hall's FAME studio to start their own studio at 3614 Jackson Highway in nearby Sheffield. Jerry Wexler had fallen out with Hall and worked out a deal with the new Muscle Shoals Sound group.

Their first major project was Cher's appropriately titled "3614 Jackson Highway" album released in June 1969. The first big hit recorded there was R.B, Greaves' "Take a Letter Maria" from his self-titled LP released in August 1969. Boz Scaggs recorded his self-titled Atlantic debut album there, which was also released in August. Ronnie Hawkins recorded there the following month.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Down In the Alley

David P: thanks for that link - a terrific blues band (Allman, Cushnie, Newell, and the Muscle Shoals boys), but they sure could use a singer. Or, instead of double-tracking Rompin''s insipid vocal, they shoulda pissed him off somehow - messed up the upholstery in the 'lac, or something . . . .


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sadavid

Yer welcome Sadavid, and thanks for the come back with that copy. I have to tell you I listened to that one at the same time I found Mavis' copy.

The wonders of this internet. I must have listened to at least a dozen different versions. Same as that John Fogerty, Bob Seger clip I found. It's all very enjoyable.......driving yer wife nuts, hollering "put your head phones on!"


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Down in the Alley

Ronnie Hawkins' "Down in the Alley," from his Cotillion LP, did get airplay here in Atlanta on a progressive FM station upon its release in September 1969. This was due to the appearance of Duane Allman, who at the time was establishing a following here with the Allman Brothers Band. Their debut ATCO LP would be released the following month. Despite the Muscle Shoals musicians, Jerry Wexler and Tom Dowd on board, the Hawk's album didn't live up to its potential in my opinion. I believe the inclusion of the "folk" material was the weakness. If he'd stuck with harder-edged material, perhaps it would had been more successful at the time. The album was finally released on CD by the Wounded Bird label in 2011.

"Down in the Alley" was written by Jesse Stone a/k/a Charles Calhoun and first recorded by the Clovers in the '50s and later by Elvis in 1966. Mr. Stone also wrote "Shake Rattle and Roll," "Money Honey," and "Smack Dab in the Middle."


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Hard Times Come Again No More

Rockin Chair - thanks for the link to Mavis . . . have a listen to this version featuring another Last Waltz soundstage alumna (plus a bunch of other fine singers).


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Chris Rea

Agreed Peter. Chris Rea is great. He was involved in the Willie the Poor Boys shows too. I loved them and he did some great work there as well.

Here is linked his "Road to Hell" video. This is dynamite!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: More Chris Rea

Stainsby Girls … live in 1986. Wonderful guitar playing too. I've seen him three times … every time a sell out ages before the gig too. Last time was a first morning on sale sell out.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Steel River

On the basis of amazon’s “If you like this, you’ll like that” idea, I’d always thought that if you liked Bruce Springsteen, you’d probably like Bob Seger and John Fogerty. The other one I place with them is Chris Rea. OK, English, but similar strong deep voice, blue collar image and rock delivery (and a notable guitarist too). Stainsby Girls? Steel River? Love them both. Steel River linked.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: RESPECT!

Strolling thru the memories of this music I stumbled on this video. We very often get to see how these masters of music and words of Rock & Roll respect and appreciate each others work.

Here is Bob Seger and John Fogerty singing together one of John Fogerty's classics. This song is very special to me. I had a brother Craig, (I named my son after him. My son has his own band.) My brother Craig was killed in a logging accident and only 21, in 1973. I have missed him every day of my life. This was Craig's favourite song.

To see Bob Seger sing this with John Fogerty is something I wish I could share with Craig right now.........."Who'll stop the Rain"......don't miss this.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Johnston

R.I.P. Mr. Johnston. What a magnificent talent!


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bob Johnson

Don't forget that Bob Johnson produced "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte" for Patti Page way back then. He was a talent for that business pretty unequalled back then.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nashville Skyline - JC At San Quentin

Amen -


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Posted by:

Bill M

I've always thought that "Copper Kettle" is one of Dylan's best, most feelingest performances. Produced by the other Bob, Johnston.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bob Johnston, Amen.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

For those with kids, grandkids or clinical psychiatrists, or the young at heart, my review of "Inside Out."


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: the 60's

Just for you Bill.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Just crackin wise

No need Bill. I was just goofing off. I'm jealous. I missed my one chance to see Bob. Now I' trying to remember when it was. I drove all the way down Vancouver Island one time years ago. Was supposed to meet my brother to go to a concert. Fell asleep in a lounge and missed the whole thing(:-


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rockin C: Sorry Norm. I wasn't criticising you and others here fof forgetting Seger's "Ramblin' Man", I was expressing disppointment that the rest of the crowd at the 1972 show in Toronto showed no sign of remembering the song - a big and memorable hit from just three years before.


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Posted by:

Peter V

You were first with the news. Producer for Dylan, Cohen, Cash, Simon & Garfunkel … and indeed for one album, Jimmy Cliff. RIP.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: "Is it rolling, Bob?"

... and it surely was! (R.I.P)


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Asbury Park

Thanks Charlie - great find


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Charlie Y

Great to see again, thank you.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Asbury Park, NJ, 1976

Forgive me if the link to this black & white footage of an entire concert has been posted previously, but before today I wasn't aware of it, and see the show isn't even listed in the "tape archive" here. I was pleasantly surprised to find it...


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: Top 100

CSN?


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mathilde........What the???

John Donabe said those words quite some time back........did you move to Oslo John?

Ok Billie Bad Ass....so we didn't remember "Ramblin Gamblin Man"...........can't remember everything........yer just showing off gawd damn it!


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Posted by:

Mathilde

Location: Oslo
Web: My link

Subject: Rockin chair

I just wanted to let you know that your story about Ronnie, really moved my wife. OK....me too. Your last line took us by surprise. Thank you for sharing that story and your pink roses for Susie as well. Now get back to that lawn mower.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Deb: Nice to see you among the posters. Totally coincidentally, I though of Roger Tillison just three hours ago when I was in a seondhand record store and flipped past a copy of one of those hip-sploitation movies of circa 1970 and saw Roger's name among the credits - for "Rock & Roll Gypsies".

Kevin J: Good of you to remember my teenage attendance at a Seger concert back in '72. Youth Day at the Ex, so August, 43 friggin' years ago. (Some days I think I'd run over the person who invented arithmetc.). He didn't let me down, since he played "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" (which nobody else seemed to appreciate or even remember). He was terrific, but when his backup singer, Marcy Levy, took over, people left in droves. That I got totally, and I've always felt that way about her, espcially her work on Clapton's "Lay Down Sally". Aside from "Night Moves" I prefer the early stuff I've heard: "2+2=?", RGM, Noah, Katmandu, "Crawling From The Wreckage", even "Back in '72".

Ronnie Hawkins' first Cotillion LP at Muscle Shoals with Duane Allman, Hood, Hawkins, Beckett, Johnson - and two guys from his current crop of Hawks, King Biscuit Boy on harmonica and Scott Cushnie on piano. This, from '69, was his first US album release since "Sings Hank Williams" in '62, and first US release of any kind since "There's A Screw Loose" with Garth presaging bits of "Genetic Method". It's a pleasure to hear Allman and biscuit battle it out on "Down In The Alley".


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Posted by:

Kevin J

......Good one, Jeff.......reminds me of the gal who gets on a city bus and makes her way to the back seat.....sits down beside a guy.....within seconds he's all eyes and then attempts to introduce himself.......she cuts him off immediately by saying "look pal......let's get this straight right from the get-go......I only fu*k Jewish rodeo stars"...........he replies "Well hello, I'm Bucky Goldstein"


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: The Blind Cowboy & Blonde Chic Bikers

An old, blind cowboy wanders into an all-girl biker bar by mistake...

He finds his way to a bar stool and orders a shot of Jack Daniels.

After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender, 'Hey, you wanna hear a blonde joke?'

The bar immediately falls absolutely silent.

In a very deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says, 'Before you tell that joke, Cowboy, I think it is only fair, given that you are blind, that you should know five things:

1. The bartender is a blonde girl with a baseball bat.
2. The bouncer is a blonde girl with a 'Billy-Club'.
3. I'm a 6-foot tall, 175-pound blonde woman with a black belt in karate.
4. The woman sitting next to me is blonde and a professional weight lifter.
5. The lady to your right is blonde and a professional wrestler.
'Now, think about it seriously, Cowboy ... do you still wanna tell that blonde joke?'

The blind cowboy thinks for a second, shakes his head and mutters, 'No ... not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times"...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Page & Plant also omitted - mind boggling......even Madonna is asking for a recount ! Turns out Max Martin is actually Jann Wenner's Uber driver !


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Joni

Joni is listed.


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Opps!

Guess I shoulda looked.....ca ca ca ca ca caaa


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Sorry Joni, that was me.....



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Posted by:

Joni Mitchell

Subject: I was in the top 10 - GawdDamn it ! I shoulda been top 5


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Carmen

Steve Winwood for sure Carmen!........Has anyone noticed what is blaring out at y'all here????......The only song writers mentioned are all men!.......what about Joanie Mitchell!


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: songwriters

has anyone mentioned David Hildalgo and Louie Perez from Los Lobos?


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Hard Times ...Come Again No More

To change the subject for a moment. I drove home from my boats in Port Hardy just now. I had a very long visit with a life long friend who is another fisherman from Pender Harbour. Ronnie and I have known each other since we were kids. We did a lot of reminiscing over a life time and many friends we have lost in recent years as we are getting older. It was a real nice visit, with some sobering thoughts on a smile and looking after your friends.

On the way home, CBC had a young man from Nova Scotia doing a show and some of the songs he wrote. He was a good singer, his songs were worth while, some what putting me in mind of John Prine as he wrote of things he saw, and events in his home town. However, what I am coming to he sang this song that I have linked here sung by the "wonderful" Mavis Staples. This song is over 150 years old, written by Stephen Foster whose music I have always loved. You can also find a youtube clip of Dylan singing this song at Willie Nelson's 60th birthday party.

I found a tear rolling down my cheek listening to this. If you've ever had hard times...........


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mainstreet at Muscle Shoals/Live Bullet

Interesting stuff Dave.

Such an evocative song. I do have to say as fine a recording as the original album take is I feel the alto sax for those piecing interludes on the Nine Tonight album takes the song onto an entirely different level, wringing every last drop of emotion out of what becomes a truly mind blowing track.

Kev from what I've read over the years I do think you're probably in the majority regarding your opinion of Live Bullet compared with Nine Tonight yet for me it's entirely the other way. Totally with you and Norm regarding Jody Girl though.

:-0)


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The green-eyed monster

OK I'm not ashamed to admit it Kev I do envy yourself and Bill and Norm. I'd dearly loved to have seen the man in his prime. A perfect alchemy of a voice for the most plaintiff rock imaginable.

I'll always remember the words of sparky foreman - can't recall his name but he was a good lad - on a hospital job in Manchester. It was '84 the time of Springsteen's Born in the USA invasion of the British airwaves. Bruce was everywhere. Even our old GF Norm Croston was hollering the Bruce anthem as he'd hobble into the site cabin.

Anyroad I was swapping notes with the sparky lad about our opinions of Bruce as we'd both been to the huge gig at Roundhey Park in Leeds the previous day - it's the one with the huge swaying crowd on the BITUSA video. We'd both been mesmerised by Bruce but I recall - just remembered his name it was Bob - Bob saying he'd gladly swap that concert if he could just get to see Bob Seger live.

His words have always stayed with me. And I guess as much as I dearly love Bruce right now I'd swap a dozen or so of the countless times I've seen him for just one night with the Seger fella in his prime.

I guess, though, some things were just never meant to be and I have to be content with just listening. I wonder if Bob the sparky ever did get to see him.

:-0)


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa

Subject: top 100

Steve Winwood too


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Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Songwriters

Steve Earle.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: top 100

Clapton, Rod Stewart, Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters and David Gilmore & Mark Knoffler are all deserving to be on this list.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The RS list omissions

Sting and Eric Clapton ! Perhaps they tipped over a salad bowl one night at a Jann Wenner house party. "Every Breath You Take" and "Roxanne" and "Layla" and on and on....oh well, neither one could ever claim the Joe Ely life thought of "Musta Notta Gotta lotta", so shed no tears..


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Wine & Life cont.

There was an article recently in a Toronto newspaper about a guy who was one of the lucky ones to escape the buildings on 9/11.....he apparently had a very nice collection of fine wines that for years he used to always show-off to all guests that visited him at home - that's all he did, show them but not drink them......his lesson: Don't wait on things too much......Drink that Fine Wine !


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

The Band mind map (link).


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Von Kopf bis Fuß auf Liebe eingestellt

The universe is slowly dying like an old man. In a few billion years there is nothing left of the human race. No Dylan, no Band and, although hard to imagine. no posters .

Religion? Even God can’t do without universe and people. Luckily in essence we’re optimistic; Von Kopf bis Fuß auf Liebe eingestellt. Who cares as long as there is wine. De Volkskrant Aug. 2015


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Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Subject: Muscle Shoals

FAME founder Rick Hall received a Governor's Award for his contribution to the arts in Alabama earlier this year. The link is to an article in the program book for that event. I've been able to interview him, David Hood, and Jimmy Johnson for a radio program we produce and for the Archive of Alabama Folk Culture. They are all very gracious people who are generous with younger musicians.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Songwriters

Nick Lowe and Frank Zappa


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Levon recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio twice. I guess the best known song Jimmy Cliff cut there was "Sitting in Limbo." One of the songs Bob Seger recorded there was "Mainstreet," which featured David Hood on bass, Roger Hawkins on drums, Barry Beckett on keyboards, Jimmy Johnson on rhythm guitar and Pete Carr playing the soaring lead guitar.

Mr. Carr grew up in Daytona Beach, Fl., where he first met Duane & Gregg Allman. He would later play bass with them in the group Hourglass. They recorded a fine B.B. King Medley at Rick Hall's FAME studios in Muscle Shoals (see link), which provided an early indication of the Allman brothers potential. After Hourglass folded Duane soon gained attention with his session work at FAME.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Seger

Not a lotta time right now but very happy to see Norm and Al discussing Bob Seger………I can fully understand why 9 Tonight is enjoyed……a fine collection of the hits but for me the definitive live Bob Seger will always be “Live Bullet”……”Nightbush City Limits”, “Beautiful Loser”, “Turn the Page” ( long before Metalica and Kid Snot slaughtered it ! ), the unmatched, turn up that FM dial “Katmandu”…………..and the best song ever written about that girl from high school that you always wondered what happened to and still sometimes thought about…….the perfect “Jody Girl”.

I saw Bob twice in concert, once at Maple leaf Gardens 1978 and at the Montreal Forum 1980. Two truly great shows. I believe Bill M actually saw him long before his Night Moves break into the big-time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I thought the Gibb Brothers were another particularly under-rated one. Mind you I did like Felice and Boudleaux Bryant getting in there.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Say What !

Imagine being Chrissie Hyde and waking up to discover that there is somebody/anybody on this planet that could think you a better songwriter than the Bee Gees or George Harrison or......Gordon Lightfoot or Jeff Lynn or.....ROD STEWART or Bob Seger.........ahhhhh!!!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Songwriter lists

One of the issues is longevity … which is why I think it fair to put McCartney at 2, but Lennon at 3. There are 35 more years to pick from … which is why Robert Johnson’s short flowering was a daft choice.

An example is Jimmy Cliff. (He recorded “Another Cycle” at Muscle Shoals … he was never exclusively reggae). I think 99% would instantly put Bob Marley miles ahead of him, but I’ve been immersed in Jimmy Cliff for three weeks (my next Toppermost) and he’s got fifty-three years of compositions, and there’s no real fallow period or quality drop off, though the 69-73 period inevitably has the lion’s share of choices. Given his far longer career, the number of “five star songs” must be at least the same as Bob Marley … and he’s more eclectic having done ska, pop, soul, reggae, world and urban. I’m not arguing against Bob’s deserved high placing. Just saying Jimmy should be in the 100, if not the 50.


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Muscle Shoals

I highly recommend the recent documentary on Muscle Shoals, now available on DVD & blu-ray (see link to trailer). It's a fascinating look at how so much great music was recorded in an area on the Tennessee River in Northern Alabama. Best yet -- the documentary is chock full of many of the classic songs recorded there. A great companion piece to go along with the Wrecking Crew documentary.

By the way, Bob Seger, Paul Simon, Jimmy Cliff and Cher are just a few of those who recorded there.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Top 100

I don’t think you can argue the Top 22 in Rolling Stone’s list, except the order, and Robbie Robertson should have been in there, which makes 23. On order, Brian Wilson, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Marley should go above Stevie Wonder, and Hank Williams is a tad too high – if you’re going back that far, then why not Irving Berlin et al. (Not you, Al).\ I wouldn’t even argue the Top 3 (1 Dylan 2 McCartney 3 Lennon), but everyone in the Top 22 (or my Top 23) deserves to be there. It’s 23 “Robert Johnson” which is classic rock snob stuff. First, we have no idea whether he really wrote them or not, and second it’s a very meagre output to put directly above Randy Newman, Ray Davies, Buddy Holly, Pete Townsend, Bacharach & David.

I think you've spoken for many of us on here Pete. It's a real solid selection and the to three is probably right. As regards Bruce I'm clearly biased but against that I also recognise that his innovative stuff is confined more to the soliloquy style lyrics of Thunder Road and backstreets or the like and you could argue that Dylan and Bob had already laid down the template even for that.

So I'd say that on pure songwriting ability alone Bruce would comfortably make top 10, probably top 5 for me personally. But I think innovation does simply have to figure largely in the equation so that does work against him.

What's clearly missing from the top list are modern writers and again you have to think they're operating with one arm tied behind their back because they can never play the innovative card.

I agree Robbie should be much much higher.

Omissions bordering on criminal are Liverpudlian genius writer Michael head plus me and Norm's fave Bob Seger and of course the only songwriter that the accepted number one artist was ever quoted as saying he wished he could emulate. GENE CLARK.

I'm sure there's others too which will drift into the head in time. Gram Parsons anyone? Nick cave?

Like Pete I would say that the numbers from 20-100 do seem to have been rushed a bit with so many seemingly unjustifiable low placings - George Harrison and Abba even!

Always good fun though no matter how vehemently personal taste compels you to disagree.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 18:13:34 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Songwriters

Jimmy Cliff.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 17:43:59 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: More of Detroit's finest

As you say Norm he's a real blue collar/roots rock man.

Shame on the Moon is wonderful as you say. Listening to it wash over you - it's like lying in a gorgeous hot bath. It's my good mate Al's favourite ever song. I knew he'd like it as soon as I heard it when I bought The Distance album and sure enough he was hooked from the first time I played it to him.

But got to admit Norm I'd got it into my head it was a Bob Seger original. I now stand corrected. I guess I probably thought it because when Bob sings it the lyrics and his delivery just sounds as if it is his own tale!!

Hard to single one song out of the fella's catalogue. I mean the ones you mention are uncanny. Also there's Fire Lake!! What a track!

Bob's use of the girl backing singers on so many of his tracks is possibly the finest I've ever heard. On every track they add that little sprinkling of stardust that manages to take the song onto another level.

I guess if there's one Bob Seger track I simply couldn't do without it'd probably be Shinin' Brightly [linked] from the Against The Wind album. The climax to it lifts my particular spirits like few other tracks.

I'll now go find that cover version of Against the Wind Norm.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 14 17:01:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rolling Stone's 100

I don’t think you can argue the Top 22 in Rolling Stone’s list, except the order, and Robbie Robertson should have been in there, which makes 23. On order, Brian Wilson, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Marley should go above Stevie Wonder, and Hank Williams is a tad too high – if you’re going back that far, then why not Irving Berlin et al. (Not you, Al).\ I wouldn’t even argue the Top 3 (1 Dylan 2 McCartney 3 Lennon), but everyone in the Top 22 (or my Top 23) deserves to be there. It’s 23 “Robert Johnson” which is classic rock snob stuff. First, we have no idea whether he really wrote them or not, and second it’s a very meagre output to put directly above Randy Newman, Ray Davies, Buddy Holly, Pete Townsend, Bacharach & David.

Willie Dixon #51. Robert Johnson #23. That is really dumb.

Then ABOVE Robbie, David Bowie, James Taylor, John Fogerty, Johnny Cash … wildly ludicrously, you get Bono, Michael Jackson and Merle Haggard. I’ve never heard of Max Martin.

Robbie’s section of 10 includes Whitfield and Strong, Neil Diamond, Jimmy Webb, Sly Stone, Johnny Cash, Don Henley & Glen Frey and Billy Joel. Pretty good company to keep.

Now I’m getting angry. Marvin Gaye at 82? Sam Cooke 86? Bjorn & Benny 100?

OK, greatest missing names. Let’s start a list.

Otis Redding

Crewe & Gaudio

Jackie DeShannon

Eddie Cochran

Bo Diddley

Richard Penniman

Steve Miller

Norah Jones

John Cale

Roger Hodgson.

Please continue …


Entered at Fri Aug 14 16:47:12 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Another side

By the way Al. Not sure if you know of this. If you search on youtube........Against the Wind....The Highwaymen, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Kris Kristoffersen, "The Highwaymen" do a cover of this song that is wonderful.


Entered at Fri Aug 14 16:10:46 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Connections in Music

Al, thanks for the response. One more bit of music we share. It was probably very late sixties or seventy that I first heard some of Bob Seger. He was another one of those Detroit area guys like Glenn Frey of the Eagles.

About 73 when Bob formed the Silver Bullet Band and his music took off that I really became a fan and started buying his music. My brother and I were playing a lot of music then and him, the Eagles, CCR were right at the top.

To me Bob Seger is really a Roots Rock & Roll guy. His music belongs right up there with Van Morrison and Bruce Springsteen.

He has written songs like "Turn the Page" about life on the road, "We've Got Tonight" love song. His cover of Rodney Crowell's "Shame on the Moon" as well as his heavy hits are among the best.

Play on Al!


Entered at Fri Aug 14 15:49:59 CEST 2015 from (74.43.18.162)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: top 100 Songwriters

I agree with most of names on the list but not the placement. Many of our favorites make the list - RR is at 45.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 23:31:58 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Against The Wind

Thanks for that Norm. Wonderful stuff. It's got me giving a long overdue trawl right through his incredible repertoire.

I got into Bob around 1980 when the lads in the place I worked at used to have a kitty to buy an LP each week. As the UK guys will affirm LP's were an expensive business so the idea was that anyone interested would have a cassette tape done and the purchased LP was given out in turn to each contributor.

As it turned out one of the LP's I got was Bob's amazing live album Nine Tonight containing so many of his greatest tracks including Against The Wind, Mainstreet, Still The Same, Night Moves. I was captivated from the off.

Ever since I've bought everything he's done and backtracked on the stuff that came before yet the Nine Tonight with that amazing Against The Wind cut remains the album that stands out for me. And is surely a real contender for rock's finest ever live album.

Ironically and sadly for this particular Bob Seger nut there's this big stretch of water that means the fella has never toured the UK since the time I discovered him so I've never managed to see him live. So much did I long to see him perform that I longed for a US trip for just that reason but it never materialised.

Anyroad cheers again for the memory jogger Norm.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 13 22:54:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The wrap party at the end of the 74 tour.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 22:24:12 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rick Danko & Cher (Mockingbird) at Geffen's party - wanted to see this for years. Can't find any links or pics though. Any advice? Preferably post a link!


Entered at Thu Aug 13 21:10:34 CEST 2015 from (84.215.171.237)

Posted by:

jh

Rick, Robbie, Levon and Dylan performing with Cher! Photos and explanation available if you join Carol Caffin's lovely Rick Danko Facebook group.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 20:15:15 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Didn't It Rain

On one of the tracks featuring Levon, "Spend Our Last Dime," you can hear him count off the start of the song. Bill Payne and Larry & Teresa also appear with Amy.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 20:00:34 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Against the wind

I've spent all my life runnin' against the wind. I identify with this song of Bob's.

Bob Seger has aged gracefully. Sitting with his white hair playing his guitar, his voice is still strong.

Who ever took this clip with a video phone did one heel of a job.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 19:45:41 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Peter V, David P

Thnx for info re these two albums.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 16:53:03 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Levon played on three tracks on Amy's new album "Didn't It Rain." In interviews she's said that these were his last recordings.

Richard Thompson has noted that his "Guitar Heroes" was inspired by the 1958 recording "Springfield Guitar Social," which featured the amazing guitarist Thumbs Carlille, who was a friend of Garth's and The Band. Mr. Thompson said he's had a copy of the recording (link above) since 1966.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 15:42:44 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You're Running Wild

I finally got a copy of Larry Campbell & Theresa Williams' album. Being an reader of small print, I noted that Levon Helm played drums on You're Running Wild and Bill Payne played piano. I don't know if this was noted before. Would this be one of the last recordings?

Really enjoying the album.


Entered at Thu Aug 13 15:19:34 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: for the guitar players

This is fun (a bit of a companion piece for JRR's "Axman") -- "Guitar Heroes" from Richard Thompson's new album . . . . Mr. Thompson pays tribute to Django, Les Paul, Chuck Berry, James Burton and Hank Ballard . . . .


Entered at Thu Aug 13 02:59:02 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dylan goes Electric.....The Night That Split the 60's

I was away from this page for quite sometime, so I perhaps missed any discussion of Elijah Wald's book.

As I drove to Port Hardy this morning, Elijah was interviewed for most of an hour on CBC. Very interesting and it has to be a good read. The author seems to clarify much of the myth about that Newport Folk Festival.

I'm sure many of you know of what Mr. Wald speaks, so I won't go into great detail. However I remember back then Bob Dylan's initial popularity was some what electric and on the "rock' side of things. Even in the bush country where I spent my time his first recordings were that way. I always thought that a lot of people tried to make him what they perceived him to be. I look forward to getting ahold of this book.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 23:38:42 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Stones Album Promotion Gift

This afternoon the complete Stones entered a Spencer Gift Shop (178th street NYC) in search of a promotion gift for their new CD.

They’re looking for a useless machine to reflect the intuitive grasp of a fundamental problem of the unconscious.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 22:47:59 CEST 2015 from (131.137.34.213)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: mixing for monitors

(Very good to see David P.'s contributions again . . . .)

The video at [My link] is a TV documentary I've mentioned before, about the technology / technicians behind a modern (2007) rock tour.

The pertinent bit begins at about 4:30. I don't know how common this might be, but for this band (Rush) the in-ear monitor mix is adjusted not only to each musician's preference, but varied for each song, and within songs as the instrument combinations and dynamics dictate. With all those mixer settings rehearsed, predetermined and assigned to presets so the person on the board can keep up. Much better for the audience than watching the talent making angry gestures . . . .


Entered at Wed Aug 12 17:16:20 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Jerry Garcia on Bob Dylan - interview 1981, a The Band reference.......seen on Expecting Rain today.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 16:43:37 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Stealer's Wheel

It's Band GB poster week over at Toppermost. Next up, today, is Dunc on Stealer's Wheel (LINKED). Great list. Great piece. Do comment over there.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 16:39:16 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Jerry Garcia-20 years gone

RIP Captain Trips.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 13:32:13 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.53)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Sending now Pete


Entered at Wed Aug 12 10:43:02 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, I've lost your address. Can you email me? More to say on SOT and cranial osteopathy. I agree. Mrs V is traveling 100 miles to see a brilliant one. They're very rare.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 07:34:41 CEST 2015 from (67.84.76.53)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

TMJ. IF it's caused by occlusion, well, you got to get that taken care of. Crozats appliances, Crowns, preferably gold, then braces. To deal with the pain though, and to deal with the other symptoms, such as tinnitis, poor spinal alignment ( the occiput is the top of the spine), possibly inpaired balance, other muscular skeletal ailments, more, the rare chiropractor that is highly trained & sensitive in applying Sacral Occipital Techniques and Craniopathy is your man. And if the TMJ is not caused by poor occlusion, but is caused by whiplash & and hasn;t yet led to poor occlusion) or stress, that rare chiro is the guy or gal you need.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 03:10:53 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tinnitus & Epley maneuver

Lisa and everyone else interested. Susan is quite convinced that the "Epley maneuver" also was help in her problem, as well as vertigo. She also felt that her rheumatoid arthritis was very inflammatory to the TMJ. I know many things I cooked and we eat I have to cut small for her as she has trouble opening her mouth wide. When she tries there is very often a loud pop in her jaw that causes her a lot of pain.

Many years ago when she was at her doctor and he was trying to determine what had caused this problem he asked her if she was ever in a car accident. When she told him how she had been rear ended, he was then able to better deal with her problem. She most often wears a mouth splint to bed for the night.

In any case the tinnitus did leave her but the TMJ is difficult to manage a lot of the time because of her arthritis. If you aren't familiar with the "Epley maneuver" google it and it is very well explained.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 01:59:34 CEST 2015 from (24.114.48.45)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Maybe 50 years back, Pete Seeger's axe was to prevent a flare-up of tinnitus, not a statement on Bob's sound !

Formula 1 moved to a smaller hybrid engine in 2014 that is quite quiet now but a few years ago at the Canadian Grand Prix, I mistimed a walk very close to a fence as a car was going by at full speed and it popped my left ear......a very scary experience. All those years with speakers and amps and headphones and hundreds of concerts and always turning sound up and I was fortunate to not have any issues......I only ever went to a few prog-rock shows but it was always a thought in the back of my mind to be wary of the laser shows and damaging my eyes.


Entered at Wed Aug 12 01:27:10 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Mr. Holmes

Film review from my blog is linked.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 23:56:48 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One of the great joys of the last five years or so is finding so many younger, folkier groups where not an electric guitar is in sight. The two worst things for your ears are overloud lead guitar solos and crash cymbals. I begin to relish acoustic instruments (even when amplified).


Entered at Tue Aug 11 23:46:20 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, a chiropractor I know would be very interested in the fall getting rid of tinnitus … a sudden accidental but beneficial manipulation.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:51:59 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

I've had tinnitus since 1985 (never knew how I got it either, as I didn't go to a lot of rock concerts or anything). My doctor said it's an aggravation you have to learn to live with, though I think aggravation is far too mild a word - sometimes torture would be more accurate. It never goes away, and I also have an accompanying condition called hyperacusis, which is extreme sensitivity to certain kinds of sounds. Things like the noise of car engines idling drive me crazy, and a sudden loud door slam or such feels like an electric shock - it's actually painful.

Norm, what Susan had is temporomandibular joint disorder, which causes your jaw to click, sometimes painfully, every time you chew. That's amazing that a fall cured the tinnitus though, maybe I should try it!


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:38:30 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tex Ritter & Tinnitus

Thanks for that David. Tex Ritter always one of my favourites, and as a young guy my favourite western actor? Gary Cooper of course. So the link is to my favourite Tex Ritter from that movie. Also I wonder if any of you remember Coop's movie.....'Along Came Jones".

I had that Joe Maphis song on an album of his years ago David called "Fire on the Strings" you probably remember.

Now this is very odd but true. Susan was re-ended in a car accident years ago while stopped at a light. This later on caused her a condition, the word is very long and escapes me at the moment, but is simply called "TMJ". She also suffered a great deal from tinnitus. She would put her head on my shoulder and I would put my hand over the top of her head to help her get to sleep at night.

About 4 years ago when we lived in Powell River she slipped and had a bad fall in the bath tub and broke her wrist. I was down stairs at my desk doing logs and she came down and I felt so bad I was sick. I of course took her to the hospital and they had to cast her arm. She ended up passing out. However the strange thing is the tinnitus went away and she has never had that swooshing in her head since.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 22:01:38 CEST 2015 from (109.158.42.96)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

I've had off/on problems with tinnitus in recent years myself. "The Train in the Night" by Nick Coleman is a book that has been recommended to me. I think he suffered sudden hearing loss and the book is his attempt to come to terms with his condition and how it impacts him as a lover of music. There is a short YouTube vid at the above link. The book has been on my 'to get' list for a while.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 21:57:16 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

This is for you Norm. Take off those ear muffs and check out the link to a video of Joe Maphis and young Larry Collins performing an amazing version of "Flying Fingers" on Tex Ritter's Ranch Party.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 20:37:59 CEST 2015 from (70.194.199.179)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: This and That

Thanks for the kind words on my Tex piece Peter, and you are right in that he comes from a very different path than other country stars of his era. The TV show Tex's Ranch Party is wonderful viewing. Car Perkins, Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash. Great stuff.

My left ear checked out about ten months ago during a flight to Chicago. Seems 35 years standing right next to the speakers can take you to a place where you have enough damage a little pressure means you lose the high range, get an earache when you get hit with really loud sounds, can't hear conversations for anything in crowds and the damn thing has a ringing it it for ten straight weeks.

Still stand next to the speakers though.

Saw Richard Thompson doing a solo show last week, wasn't expecting him to be as amazing as he was.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:47:54 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

More on hearing issues.....and problems...

Jeff Beck: Well it is, but they’re making great steps forward now to deal with it. Part of the coping is, saying to yourself that it’s not abnormal. It’s not - the noise is not caused by any direct damage to the ear or to the hearing mechanism. It’s a natural sound caused by blood flowing through the ears and the veins. But because of the noise exposure I’ve lost the ability to hear frequencies - if my hearing was restored, I wouldn’t notice the tinnitus, because I’d be hearing frequencies from outside in the real world. It’s a bit complicated. But also, there are some people with no hearing loss that have tinnitus - it doesn’t really equate, it’s very strange. There’s also people stone deaf with no tinnitus. It’ s just one of those things, if you’re the sort of character that doesn’t like head noise, you’re going to suffer. Some people who are not musical will probably not be able to pick it out. But I’ve now perfected the listening technique so I know exactly what’s going on, and it makes it very difficult for me to blot it out. But I’m hanging in there with it.

Paul Guy: How do you cope with concerts?

Jeff Beck: I’ve got earplugs - I’ve become fearful of loud sounds. Once you’ve been traumatised you don’t want to hear any loud noises. I’ve got in-ear monitors, which are fantastic. They’re custom-fit ear monitors with a wire down the back of your shirt, or whatever you’ve got on - and I’ve got fairly long hair, so you don’t see it. It’s great - I mean, once you get used to the lack of sheer gusto and power, it’s like playing to a Walkman on stage. And whatever direction you move in. you’re getting constant sound. You don’t get directional problems with drums or whatever, or your own amp. You’re just getting a really good mix. You still feel the bass drum, but you don’t get the cymbals crash through your ears. A lot of people use them now, on concerts you see them with wires sticking out of their ears. It’s OK, it’s part of the accepted thing now.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:43:23 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: I like it loud!

Sorta. Wasn't it this newfound & big volume, with improved fidelity, that accelerated pop music's appeal so much in the 60's? In both live music and in-home sound system's quality, etc? Especially for the electric guitar and the solos.

I haven't been to a big hall or arena for music in ages so I don't know about that type of volume, I prefer small venues and bars now, but I still like live music to be strictly foreground and a bit beyond that. And I'm in the well-geezered crowd now and perhaps a bit deef!


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:41:10 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jeff Beck and hearing loss

Paul Guy: I think we’re running out of time, but there’s one thing I really wanted to ask you - I was really sorry to hear about your tinnitus - how do you deal with it?

Jeff Beck: Well. I’m having therapy at the moment, counselling about it. I’ve got white noise earpieces that I put in, and they don’t cancel it out, it’s just background noise to the tinnitus. The theory is that after months and months, maybe even years, my brain will adjust to the false sound from the noise generators, then one day I won’t be able to decide which one is which, you see what I mean? The attention will be focused on something else, it will be a deception process. But tinnitus is a noise in the head which is there in the first place, which is quite an amazing revelation. It’s just that I’m noticing it, because I’ve lost some of my high-end listening ability. So sound outside my head is not so audible, and the brain notices what’s going on inside the head. It’s nasty for the first - well, you become traumatised, if you’re one of the intolerant types, like I am. To those people for whom sound makes no difference, it doesn’t appear to be a problem. Whereas for me - I was suicidal at one time.

Paul Guy: You see all these people on the underground with Walkmans, and you hear the high frequencies a mile off, you know they’re listening really loud.

Jeff Beck: They’re all going to be deaf, for a start. They’re going to lose their hearing, if they haven’t done so already. Because it’s not something that comes later - it comes actually at the time. Your ears don’t harden to it, so to speak - if some loud noise happens right now, to either of us, that damage is done instantaneously, and there might not be full reovery from it. So watch out! (Laughs) George Martin has lost a lot of his hearing, but he doesn’t seem to be bothered by the tinnitus. It just takes a long time to teach yourself not to care about it. That’s the art or the skill of thought. Get plenty of sleep, keep off the booze, and just keep telling yourself that it’s nothing, it’s just a normal sound. Very difficult... My hearing is not what you would expect - it’s not perfect, but it’s not much below what’s expected considering what I’ve done. As I said, there are some people with severe hearing loss, and they don’t have any tinnitus at all.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 19:22:11 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Monitoring

You are exactly right of course David. Many years ago I recall interviews with Kenny Rogers, Lee Greenwood, and Bob Seger to name a few. The whiskey voice all agreed was caused by poor monitoring over years and the habit of straining your voice until you are hollering trying to hear yourself.

The result was the ear monitors you have just spoken of. I couldn't use those things. I have tried different ones, (our workers compensation has even employed companies that custom make them to fit your ear.) I just can't stand any thing in my ears. So on my tug I rely on the old ear muffs with the wire strap behind your head to keep them tight and in place.

The ear monitors give relief for your sound situation, but I've often wondered how well they help your singing from what you are missing as you are totally controlled by sound men that way.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:48:44 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

In recent years more & more performers seem to be using in-ear monitors onstage. While this allows them the luxury of a proper sound level & mix, one wonders if this isolation enjoyed by the musicians contributes to higher volume levels for the audience. Ideally the person responible for the house sound should keep the volume levels throughout the venue from becoming excessive, but in reality few seem to care about monitoring what the audience is experiencing.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:45:00 CEST 2015 from (70.49.46.80)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Then there are acoustics.

And then there are bad acoustics. Late 1980s. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers. Great band. Varsity Arena. UofT Blues play hockey there. They were booked there and I swear you could not hear anything but a blur in the stands where we were sitting. Just noise. Even outside at CNE was better than that. Saw Neil Young, Van Morrison, Dylan and Santana and David Bowie at the CNE venue when they did concerts there between baseball games before Rogers Centre was a reality. Not great but at least you could hear the bands play their instruments. Ontario Place again- meh. All in all, I stay out of arenas and open air venues now.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:25:51 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Cars are cars

Read the contrary article (linked) which says the photos of cars are old / normal. There are dumb things about cars. The really ECO thing to do is keep a car running as long as it will go, because keeping that old gas guzzler alive for 3 or 4 more years is far more environmentally friendly than manufacturing a new car which uses 20% less fuel. You're looking at many years to recoup the cost of switching in terms of fuel. It used to be that 100,000 miles for a petrol car on British roads and winters was about its life. Our local airport car service has lots with 1,000,000 miles and ran a big petrol Ford Granada for 1.6 million miles. Diesels should easily cover 250,000. They do just last longer. I dread getting a new one because I really hate these STOP / START engines. If you live in a hilly area with traffic jams they're a monumental pain.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 18:24:22 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: noise

Some years ago we went to see squeeze at MSG the opening act was flock of seagulls. I have gotten pretty great seats on the floor close to the stage. The seagulls were so loud that we were deafened by it I recovered mostly by the next day but my husband really was bad all. You know what they say it's too loud you're too old


Entered at Tue Aug 11 16:08:25 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hearing Damage

Hearing damage is one of the most painful and frightening things. In 1978 I came in from a month at sea fishing herring (with a wad of money). A friend said "38 special is at the Commodore".

I'm sure many of you have heard of Vancouver's Commodore Ball Room. We went down and "Blue Northern" opened. Remember Bill, Gary Comeau's Band.

When 38 Special took the stage the lights were turned out, the place was black all of a sudden they started a peal of sound with those loooong horns like in England until the sound was unbearably loud. It abruptly stopped they hit the lights and the band broke into that old Chuck Berry hit "Round & Round. I have heard and played loud music since I was a kid NOTHING was like this. It was unbearable and nothing you could enjoy. I had to leave.

A couple years ago when we went and saw the Eagles at Rogers arena in Van, they were loud but we enjoyed it except Susan. Susan has a condition...I can't remember what it's called but above average sound hurts her. I had to put my hands over her ears as she didn't think to bring her ear plugs.

Thanks Mike.

Yesterday I saw something on my Yahoo news page that came up. I'm wondering if any of you have seen this. Entitled "Where cars go to die". In England, Russia and Spain. Rows and rows of thousands of new cars all parked that can't be sold because of a flooded market. You have to see it. It is unbelievable. There must be billions of dollars in cars. Read....they won't lower the price to sell them so that people will keep buying new expensive cars. This is nonsensical. They should crush them for scrap. The one picture at an airport in Spain, (these are satellite shots). There is cars as far as you can see.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 15:26:19 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cum' On Feel The Noyze

The human hearing range is said to extend from 20 Hz to a potential 20,000 Hz – the limits of CD, but very few even when young, can actually pinpoint generated sounds above 16,000. (Analogue fans will say we sense the ambience way beyond, though we couldn’t pinpoint a sound in a test). Cassette used to be 40 Hz to 12,000 Hz to 14,000. Hz. Women can generally go higher than men. An engineer told me that when he ran tests on grizzled rock musicians he was finding 10,000 Hz was about the limit in the treble range. Which is why, he explained, people like Van Morrison, who deliberately restrict the volume … in 1500 seat halls to the level of unamplified drums … can still sing perfectly in tune but others of his age need electronic assistance.

I can’t stand it when I come out of a concert and find my ears buzzing hours later. It’s time for local governments to go in and measure levels. In the last few years, it has improved and so many really excellent bands are at “loud enough”, but never painful or confusing. It’s getting quieter. Last year I went to take photos at Tom Jones Larmer Tree set and found myself swaying and dizzy right by the speakers. Far too loud. I knew enough to retreat fast. Jimmy Cliff this year was way better on volume (and also all round).

My own weaker left ear goes back to my days working with bands. We had a beautiful Italian Binson PA, the pride and joy then. There were no fibreglass flight cases then – it all got stacked carefully in the van, a plastic cover being the most anything had, and most speaker cabinets had nothing but TLC. Anyway, one speaker column got its cloth ripped taking it out of the van. We were supporting Hawkwind whose much bigger (but cruder) PA speakers were adjacent to ours. I decided to stitch up the tear during Hawkwind’s set, fearing that the rip would spread when we loaded it back in the van. I must say my left ear’s never been quite the same since. Their speaker was to the left of ours.

Before blaming Hawkwind though, I recall that I lost my hearing on the left for a week when I was 14. It was an art class. The two boys next to me were chatting (against the rules) but I wasn’t, and the furious arts master ran over and smacked me as hard as he could right on the ear. Wrong culprit. My ear was swollen red and purple for a week. Nowadays of course he would never be allowed to teach again, and indeed even back then only the headteacher could apply corporal punishment, so it was common assault in law. My dad wanted to go to the school and (a) smack him round the ear and (b) get him fired. My mum dissuaded him. I have three friends who studied art right through to 18 who regarded him as a genius and a mentor. The only reason I decided not to study art from 16 to 18 (which turned out to be a wise move for me in career terms) was that I regarded him as a vicious bastard. So someone can be both. A vicious bastard and a guru. John Lennon being a perfect example.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Loud and louder

Noise: Similar story, John. Down near the waterfront in that place where Dylan played a couple of nights one year (standing venue) to hear Slash with one of his bands (I think it was pre-Velvet Revolver and after G&R) and I left without hearing and dizzy. It went away in 2 days. It was frightening! I thought my music days were over. Never had an experience like that before. I always try to remember to bring earplugs to shows but somehow never remember till I'm there and say the inevitable 'I wish I had earplugs'. I don't get to too many shows now where the volume is up that loud.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 11:16:28 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rockin' Chair and noise

I believe it was in the mid 80's; when The Jackson 5 reformed for a tour. My son really wanted to go. It was out at the CNE grounds. They brought a horn section and it was LOUD! The horns hit a note and I felt searing pain in my right ear. Within minutes I was getting dizzy. Driving home was tough. Called my ENT specialist the next morning. I had a perforated drum. He told me the hole was already beginning to close. Miracle of the body.

To this day I have to wear ear plugs anywhere I know it's going to be loud. Got fooled a couple of weeks back; when grandkids came to visit. The baby hit a decibel level and a frequency that still has me dizzy. Different day....different reasons for loud sound levels.


Entered at Tue Aug 11 01:19:20 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Norm, I said there was no admissible limit to liking you, pal. You rock, buddy!


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Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mike N

WHAT 'Y' SAY MIKE?......I'm deaf from too many decibles of tow boat engine moise and rock & roll.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mike N

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 10 23:24:04 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Rockin Chair and admissible noise

Norbert, I'm not so sure that Norm has ANY limit for admissible noise.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 22:07:58 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Acoustic Dilemma

“Norms and limits for admissible noise, as specified in the law, are always stated in terms of physically measurable attributes and are often determined and applied with a precision of fractions of a decibel. Human perception and memory for sounds, however, are not so accurate to justify discussions about fractions of a dB. Differential sensitivity for sound intensity is, under ideal conditions, approximately one decibel. Under more realistic conditions differential thresholds are considerably higher. Noise intensity levels for which members of a test population indicate to be severely annoyed show a typical interquartile spread of about 20 dB. Correlation coefficients between reported annoyance and actually measured sound levels, as has been done in many professional survey studies, are typically around 0.3. This implies that only 9% of the variance in the annoyance ratings can be explained by the physical sound level. The great variance in perceptual annoyance data seems to a very large extent due to psychological, non-acoustic factors and only to a much smaller extent due to insufficient control of the acoustic measurements.”


Entered at Mon Aug 10 21:14:18 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Another Civil War General

Confederate Brig. Gen. Daniel Chevilette Govan was from Levon's neck of the woods. A planter near Helena, Arkansas at the outbreak of the war, after taking part in several major battles he was captured by Union troops during the Atlanta Campaign. Months later he returned to action after being freed in a prisoner exchange for Gen. George Stoneman, who had been captured after a botched raid near Macon.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

JQ, a link to Abraham Lincoln's brother in law.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Book by Elliott Landy

I have it on good authority that the Elliott Landy book is moving along. It is being consistently reviewed to make certain that it is exactly what the author wants it to be. We are getting closer to a realistic completion.


Entered at Mon Aug 10 10:42:21 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Tex Ritter

Over at Toppermost, Calvin has an excellent article on Tex Ritter (linked). A lot was new to me, and it's "Pre-Americana Americana" as much as "C&W."


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Kev

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 9 08:02:28 CEST 2015 from (92.18.213.177)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: The Capitol Albums 1968-1977 - album review

The Band, The Capitol Albums 1968-1977 - album review: Pioneering rockers who changed the course of popular music.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa
Web: My link

Subject: amy helm & roger waters

did you guys see this


Entered at Sat Aug 8 23:52:22 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Ok, I’m off to bed with Els & “Music - shelter for the frazzled mind!”

I wonder what tomorrow will bring.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 21:28:52 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Subject: Bessel Waves

As a kid my third teeth dropped into a glass of beer. This was my raw introduction into simple harmonic motion (Bessel Functions). I was interested and began to do some tests.

I placed a cup of coffee on a loudspeaker, driving the speaker with a signal generator where you can vary the frequency (the rate at which the speaker goes up and down) and the amplitude (volume). From there to a power amplifier and that goes into the speaker with the coffee cup.

With this simple set up the coffee forms standing waves patterns caused by the music.

I’ve tested hundreds of songs with my cup of coffee and from all my annotations one always stayed with me: at the end of “We Can Talk” the Bessel Waves form the letters (in sequence) “bbeatles bboring”.

I have always had the impression that this “joke” was created under the influence of alcohol by one or more Band members.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

A magnificent organ in your church, NWC, and a stirring composition. Thanks for the link. It would be truly a treat to see and hear Garth.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 19:52:45 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

There is some humour in advertising skin whitening formulas on a tribute page to The Band.......up next, the spammer crowd targets rock band Rush and their website with female hygiene ads............I do miss the Spellcasters though........while not quite of the quality of Al Edge posts, they were good.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Splendid

The organ music and your church is splendid. Thank you. I have informed my kin who live nearby (near Lund) and if possible when the Garth date is set, they may appear if they are able.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 12:12:41 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Two minutes and fourteen seconds of the organ Garth hudson will be playing soon.

My link.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 08:22:40 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Almost every day our webmaster deletes a spam post from a person calling themselves How To Make Your Skin Whiter. As it will be gone by the time most read this, Kevin J's comment will be enigmatic. But for Kevin, I link to a newspaper article this week with a photo of three unsatisfied customers of our spammer.


Entered at Sat Aug 8 07:23:50 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Answer: "Billie Jean" and go from there !


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Posted by:

how to make your skin whiter

Web: My link

I love the content on your website. Thanks a bunch.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 22:27:45 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Bach & Headphones

Headphones make a difference, just got a Sony MDR-V55 (sale) not expensive and a good sound (hear more/better).
Listening to Bach (link) I noticed this YouTube comment underneath from people who love their instrument. I don’t know what they’re talking about but they are serious and lost in their organs.

Only Garth and Pat know the meaning of this:.

A: “Nice to hear Bach on a Hammond..The only thing is that the pedal is 8 and 16 feet bass.. Also the 16 foot drawbar is set to both keyboards and clashes with the pedal bass at times.Would be better on the Hammond classic.”

B: “But as you can see he's using the A preset on both manuals (not using the manual drawbars).”

Player: “This was a choice I made. I really can play fast and at 8' but I wanted the hammond to sound with "gravity" like on a cavaillé coll organ at sunday morning....unfortunatly the pedal won't go lower than 16' or something with a 12'! On the Hammond RT3 organ there's a 32' bourdon and even a bombarde 32':-)”


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:52:03 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: David P

Speaking of great covers. Remember Jane Oliver doing He's So Fine?


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:32:57 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Uncovered

Shawn Colvin's upcoming album "Uncovered", to be released Sept. 25, will include a version of "Acadian Driftwood." Other highlights from this collection of covers includes Springsteen's "Tougher Than The Rest." Paul Simon's "American Tune," Tom Waits' "Hold On," John Fogerty's "Lodi," and Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" (with David Crosby). Ms. Colvin's earlier covers album, "Cover Girl" (1994), featured an excellent live version of "Twilight." Steuart Smith, who worked on that album, returned to co-produce "Uncovered." Mr. Smith, as some may recall, has lately worked as the "hired gun" guitarist in the Eagles after Don Felder was kicked out of the nest. This fall Ms. Colvin will be opening for Don Henley's tour supporting his "Cass County" release. Mr. Smith also collaborated with Mr. Henley on that album.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:31:39 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Uncovered

Shawn Colvin's upcoming album "Uncovered", to be released Sept. 25, will include a version of "Acadian Driftwood." Other highlights from this collection of covers includes Springsteen's "Tougher Than The Rest." Paul Simon's "American Tune," Tom Waits' "Hold On," John Fogerty's "Lodi," and Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" (with David Crosby). Ms. Colvin's earlier covers album, "Cover Girl" (1994), featured an excellent live version of "Twilight." Steuart Smith, who worked on that album, returned to co-produce "Uncovered." Mr. Smith, as some may recall, has lately worked as the "hired gun" guitarist in the Eagles after Don Felder was kicked out of the nest. This fall Ms. Colvin will be opening for Don Henley's tour supporting his "Cass County" release. Mr. Smith also collaborated with Mr. Henley on that album.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 19:10:08 CEST 2015 from (76.69.45.69)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Booker T. Jones at NPR.

brown eyed girl: Thank you and enjoy your vacation !


Entered at Fri Aug 7 16:54:05 CEST 2015 from (99.244.8.134)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jackie DeShannon

Peter, check out Jackie's album "When You Walk In The Room." She does acoustic versions of her hits and other songs. Needles and Pins is just beautiful sung as a ballad.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Women playing harmonica

Is there anything better than a woman playing harmonica Dylan style - or is it Woody style. Yes, there is: TWO women playing harmonica Dylan style - or is it Woody style.

1. When BOB DYLAN came to Polar Music Prize ceremony in Stockholm he nearly fell asleep. He woke up when LOUISE HOFFSTEN took the scene and played harmonica.

2. My link shows the local singer/songwriter NILLA NIELSEN playing harmonica in the harbour restaurant in this fishing village. You don't see me but you'll hear my voice among other drunks in the audience. Enjoy.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Gen A P Hill

Hi Pat B - I'm re watching Ken Burns' Civil War, after recently reading the war bio - Rebel Yell - of Stonewall Jackson and I was wondering if you saw a bit of A P Hill in Levon Helm, particularly if you started to assign Civil War generals to the Band and its member's dynamic? There sure is a clear physical resemblance there to Levon -


Entered at Fri Aug 7 03:22:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Naw, she's too nimble and too clever to be Coach SD. My bad.


Entered at Fri Aug 7 02:01:38 CEST 2015 from (193.200.150.152)

Posted by:

Coach

Oh, Patty. You frumpy, hormonal wisecracker!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Norbert, I think that's Coach.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: 1996 Band Album Heist

Never-before-seen footage shows a possible suspect of the 1996 heist (5 CD albums hanging on the left wall of this just opened The Band GB were stolen as all regulars know).

Surveillance footage has surfaced showing a heretofore unknown lady crossing the street with the suspected Band albums in a paper bag just outside the GB, thereafter wrecking a car before disappearing.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:49:06 CEST 2015 from (173.68.71.190)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Cilla Black Passed-RIP

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/arts/music/cilla-black-who-turned-a-coat-checking-job-into-a-singing-career-dies-at-72.html?ref=todayspaper


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:41:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Jackie DeShannon Toppermost

Jackie DeShannon now on Toppermost (follow link). Please comment over there if so moved.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:30:28 CEST 2015 from (83.249.166.83)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Web: My link

Subject: Music in Lutheran Churches

Classical organ music and other type of profane music is often played in Lutheran churches in Nordic Countries. My link shows yesterday's "chanteuse" in Church of Saint Mary where Garth and Maud Hudson will perform soon. The church was nearly full of believers and non-believers and everything in between. Nilla Nielsen is a local singer/songwriter - actually, born in this fishing hamlet - author and a tsunami survivor.

Enjoy the song and the church.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 17:06:35 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Producer Billy sherrill was an exponent of the countrypolitan sound, best known for his work with Tammy Wynette and George Jones. He resurrected Charlie Rich's career and produced Elvis Costello's foray into country, "Almost Blue."

Country singer Lynn Anderson also passed away last week. Her 1970 version of Joe South's "Rose Garden" became a mega-hit. That recording featured Pete Drake on pedal steel. Back in the late '50s Mr. Drake led a country band in Atlanta called the Sons of the South. The band included a teenaged Joe South, Jerry Reed, Roger Miller, Doug Kershaw and Jack Greene. Mr. Drake played on hundreds of country hits, including Charlie Rich's "Behind Closed Doors" and Tammy Wynette's "Stand By Your Man," both produced by Billy Sherrill. His work with Bob Dylan would also lead to him playing with George Harrison and Ringo Starr. On his own he recorded several songs to reach the country charts using a vocoder device to produce a "talking steel guitar" effect.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 12:25:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Suite Française

Link to my film review for those who've seen it. I was extremely belated in catching the film … so much so that it's already on DVD.


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Posted by:

David P

Bill M: Buddy Buie had a hand in writing hundreds of songs, but I don't believe "Tainted Love" was one. I have a copy of that Emmons/Breaux LP, "Minors Aloud" on the Flying Fish label, a great blend of jazz & country.


Entered at Thu Aug 6 02:21:19 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.143)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Did Buie have a hand in writing "Tainted Love". I react well to Billy Sherril's name, but am not sure why. Some stuff on Epic?

Al E: I still prefer Jethro Bodine's 'cyphering' - "Naught goes into naught naught times, carry the naught"... Oo-wee!

Buddy Emmons recorded. Very nice instrumental album with guitarist Lenny Breau, who recorded several jazz songs in '61 with Levon and Rick very capably acting as a jazz rhythm section.

In an interesting mashup, my mind insists on adding "the Hendersons will all be there / late of Pablo Fanque's fair" every time it runs through Leonard's "Hallelujah". I now don't think the song can do without this edit.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Not the best boot from the 74 tour but you get the idea.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Angie, that's it? Ah, well, good to see youse again. Happy Healthy Hogtown Summer to you, too, dearie. Wear sunscreen.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:25:04 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Violent Femmes....Two People

Happy Healthy Summer!

See you in September
See you when the summer's through


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:14:39 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Late at night....This song comes on the radio. Mid-eighties I think......Wow......Louuu has a new song.....nope.....instead a group who were very influenced by him and VU as well as many other groups.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 21:03:03 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BOB DYLAN: Outtakes, Alternates & Live Recordings, 1965-1966

"My favorite outtake, soaked in "Bob Dylan 1965-66" magic,
yet has no lyrics is "Number One" from a NYC January 27, 1966 Session."

"That's Bob with Robbie/Rick/Richard from The Band; plus Al Kooper on organ with Bobby Gregg on drums.

This Studio Band really twists and turns and would compel any lyricist up a mountain that would be difficult to come down from. I'm not even sure what Bob plays instrumentally on the track, or how much input he had. It sounds fairly thought-out. Perhaps it's a musical cousin to another track that I'm not adept enough to relate it to."

"Favorite moment: at (2:11) when the breakdown happens and the riff comes back triumphant.

"Here's what Sean Wilentz heard on the She's Your Lover Now tapes, full of Bob's cussin':"

Dylan became frustrated and angry at the next Blonde on Blonde date, held three weeks into the new year during an extended break from touring. In nine hours of recording, through nineteen listed takes, only one song was attempted, for which Dylan supplied the instantly improvised title, “Just a Little Glass of Water.” Eventually renamed “She’s Your Lover Now,” it’s a lengthy, cinematic vignette of a hurt, confused man lashing out at his ex-girlfriend and her new lover. Nobody expected it would be recorded easily. (Dylan’s manager, Albert Grossman, interjects on the tape, just before the recording starts, that there is a supply of “raw meat for everybody in the band.”) The first take rolls at a stately pace, but Dylan is restless and the day has just begun.

On successive takes, the tempo speeds, then slows a bit, then speeds up again. Dylan tries singing a line in each verse accompanied only by Garth Hudson’s organ, shifting the song’s dynamics, but the idea survives for only two takes. After some false starts, Dylan exclaims, “It’s not right…it’s not right,” and soon he despairs, “No, f*** it, I’m losing the whole f***ing song.” He again changes tempos and fiddles with some chords and periodically scolds himself as well as the band: “I don’t give a f*** if it’s good or not, just play it together…you don’t have to play anything fancy or nothing, just…just together.” A strong, nearly complete version ensues, but Dylan flubs the last verse. “I can’t hear the song anymore,” he finally confesses. He wants the song back, so he plays it alone, slowly, on his tack piano, and nails every verse. He reacts to his own performance with a little “huh” that could have been registering puzzlement or rediscovery. But Dylan would end up discarding “She’s Your Lover Now,” just as he would abandon a later, interesting take of an older song, “I’ll Keep It with Mine.”


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

But, anyone who has a heart
Wouldn't want to turn around and break it
And anyone who ever played the part
He wouldn't want to turn around and fake it


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Anyone Who Had A Heart - the fictional version

I linked this last year. This is the "Anyone Who Had A Heart" scene from "Cilla" where Sheridan Smith really gets the mood and feel (not quite as piercing on the high notes, but pretty damn near). She was tutored by Cilla herself for the role, so they say. OK, it's not the real thing, but it tells the story of the session guys, Epstein watching, George Martin watching. Fiction, yes, but a magnificent tribute in retrospect.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 19:19:36 CEST 2015 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Passings

In the last couple of weeks we've lost songwriter/producer Buddy Buie, pedal steel guitarist extraordinaire Buddy Emmons and Nashville producer Billy Sherrill.

Buddy Buie was best know for his work with the Classics IV and the Atlanta Rhythm Section. His extensive songwriting credits include co-writing the lyrics to "Spooky," reorded by the Classics IV. Buddy and J.R. Cobb added the lyrics to the instrumental previously recorded by sax man Mike Sharpe. Dennis St. John played the drums on both versions of the song recorded here in Atlanta. Dennis later became the long-time drummer for Neil Diamond and accompanied him at The Last Waltz.

Buddy Emmons of course played pedal steel on countless sessions, including Levon's "American Son."


Entered at Wed Aug 5 18:48:41 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanks to Al Edge for the links to wonderful Cilla Black, and the Liverpool lads having fun at their chum's expense. Funny.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:56:41 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Brown Eyed Girl, I don't have any issue with foul language. I think my objection to the foul language thread was that it wasn't related to the Band or music in any way.

I haven't listened to 'Take No Prisoners' in some time. I remember finding a lot of Lou's comments very amusing, and the backup singers were a nice touch. Lou could definitely be a mercurial performer on stage. Hopefully there will be some archival live releases at some point.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:25:39 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Saturday, May 16, 2015
Vintage Re-Masters
Bob Dylan at the Hollywood Bowl - Part 3 (electric set)
We finish now with the tracks from the following electric set - eight in total, and again, only the third time in his career Dylan performed live with a band...

*Special note: the audio samples as here presented are protected under the Fair Use provision of U.S. copyright law. No direct or implied association is intended with Bob Dylan, Sony Music, the Hollywood Bowl, related organizations or any associates of Bob Dylan or their representatives.Comments: "Okay - so where's all the jeering, the boos, the catcalls? You won't find them here - proving that for some at least, Dylan's sudden "conversion" wasn't the betrayal it was made out to be. It's also interesting to hear several newly-minted rockers from Highway 61 being aired publicly prior to official release, in arrangements that pretty much mirror those on the LP. And the band really isn't bad at all - sure Al Kooper lacks Garth Hudson's virtuosity on organ, and Micky Jones' power may have suited these tracks better than Levon Helm's more nuanced style, but they get by fine (of course of the players featured here, only Robbie Robertson would remain with Bob throughout his remaining '65-'66 tour stops). With these remasters, we hope to have gotten a bit closer to the sound the audience might have heard from the stage that evening - with a bit more edge, clarity, and power than heard on the source tracks..."

Hey Ben. I was surprised you had Louuu's "Take No Prisoners" because you said you didn't like when people used foul language in the GB. I don't either when it's the same person and they go on and on.......no effect except for boredom. Once in a blue moon is very effective.

Yes, TNP is terrible musically except "Sweet Jane" is fine with all of Louuu's comedic observations about Striesand, Patti Smith......and his quick responses to comments called out by his fans. It was here I became acquainted with Yeats" famous quote from one of his poems....The Second Coming.

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."
Louuu then tells the audience to figure out where he's at.

Yes I have Louuu's boot, "American Poet". Thanks to Jon Lyness I found it in a NYC store. I wasn't enamoured with it but I'll give it another listen. I agree that "Rock and Roll Animal" is great......actually was the very first recording that turned me on to Louuu. I was in high school and there I was listening to "Heroin". We had just seen a documentary about this drug and weed...."Reefer Madness"......interested me a bit at the time because it seemed like a very social drug.....smack......no ffffffffff...... way.....ever, His "Live In Italy" didn't wow me at all......but if you don't have "New York", "Coney Island Baby", "Ecstasy", "Raven"......check out song samples. I also have his "Hudson River Wind Meditations".....Louu and I meditating together.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:17:59 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hey Si

One other good thing about that Builder's video apart from the laughs is that at least all our Canadian/American buddies will now know what we sound like!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 16:15:15 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The No Hiding Place video ; -0) and Jamie Redknapp

I think you've sussed it Si. I must have missed the Picton Clock but that would make sense. As does the bit into town but again I'd missed the monument. As you say the bombing damage was horrendous.

BTW - long tome since we swapped notes but what d'you reckon with the signings. Got to say as ever I'm far too upbeat but one thing I do know is this Gomez kid is gonna be some player from what I've seen in the pre-season games.

Pete - I reckon Jamie will be torn but end up supporting the underdog like all decent Englishmen - so looks like it'll be L'pool!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:48:17 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Al - That vid was hysterical and totally believable too. Some people are just no good with numbers.

The other vid appears to show James St/Lord St (going past Victoria Monument) and ending up at Central Station. It's hard to be sure though. It didn't half get bombed to smithereens. I'm convinced the first bit is coming from the direction of Picton Clock and the empty land on the right is where the school was eventually built. Just after that you can also see what became a row of shops on the right, currently an Indian and a Chinese restaurant plus a hairdresser. Hours of fun to had on YouTube.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:48:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, it's 250 miles, not 200 so it's going to take more than 7 minutes. Nearer nine or ten. Or would it be nearer 5 or 6? Definitely one or the other.

Jamie Redknapp will have mixed loyalties for the 2nd game.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:33:11 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Si

Did you catch that builder's video I linked.

Funny stuff. Absolute classic!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:30:46 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Awrite Si lad!

Got me confused more than a bit Si.

Very initial bit I'm assuming must be the southern end of Queens Drive but there don't seem to be houses to the right so maybe it's Mather Avenue. Then you can clearly see those shops at the corner of Fiveways and then it continues along Queens Drive. Then I can only assume it's on Vauxhall Road because of all the shops to the left but maybe it's james street. Or maybe it's Pall mall. Not sure. Then suddenly you can see the old Central Station frontage going up towards Lime Street.

You could spend days on all them other videos!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:13:35 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Al, I should have checked the description under the video. I didn't have the browser window opened far enough. I'm a daft get sometimes.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 15:08:55 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Al - Check out this silent footage from 1946. The first minute appears to show between Picton Clock and Childwall Fiveways (there isn't a roundabout yet and trams can be seen) and at about 38s you can see the building that was a Barclays Bank (I think it's a taxi office now) with those distinctive windows. They then drive down Childwall Valley Road until one minute in then the footage switches to the city centre. Do you recognize where they are in this part of the film?


Entered at Wed Aug 5 14:48:53 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Home is where the heart is

Totally agree Pete.

Don't matter how big or small the principle is the same. The club is such an integral element of any community, it is a sad day for those enduring principles when they are eroded chasing the dollar.

Not sure whether you're aware but you've got us second game of the season up at ours!!

If your team coach travelled at 200MPH I reckon you could make the 250 miles in about...er about 7 minutes!!

:-0)

PS Pete - we've spent about £80 million on new players so if you beat us I'll sulk. Badly!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 14:16:06 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, we’re trying to live with the news that the AFC Bournemouth stadium is now the Vitality Stadium. It’s been the Goldsands Stadium for a few years, but to locals it has always been Dean Court, being on the Cooper-Dean Estate. So, how would you feel if Anfield suddenly became the Adidas Arena or the Tetley Tea Stadium?

Loved the builders link. On building … this takes me back to Brooklyn. As in London, a lot of Gentrified places have gone for exposed brick walls – cafes, shops, apartments. I have to say, the 19th century Brooklyn brickie lacked the competence of his London counterpart. The bricks are uneven (which is down to the brickworks), but the lines are all over the place, the mortar sticks out in lumps, it’s not flat. Your London exposed brick wall is a thing of beauty, but you can see those American walls were made to be plastered over.

On entertainers and wealth, I thought I saw Des O'Connor in Waitrose this morning. But it might have been a lookalike.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:34:22 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Centre of human consciousness - or otherwise ;-0)

Actually if anyone still retains any doubts on Ginsberg's claim take a quick shufty at the linked video.

It's a bunch of Liverpool builders in a transit van questioning one of their mates about how fast he can go and how long it will take him to get into town.

So funny.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:20:44 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha - Ginsberg and the centre of the universe

Funny comment from Liverpool poet Brian Patten, whose floor in Liverpool Ginsberg slept on back in the early '60's:

"I think Allen believed the centre of human consciousness to be wherever he was at the time."

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:11:18 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Liverpool - Centre of the Universe

Got to throw this in too.

:-0)

Very possibly we were for a few years at least back in '63/64.

I think it was Allen Ginsberg who coined the term

And I'm pretty sure Ginsberg was prompted solely by the Merseybeat/Beatles phenomenon. I doubt very much he'd taken on board the thing which mattered even more to most scousers at the time.

namely the accompanying Liverpool FC/Bill Shankly phenomenon or indeed its own accompanying and unique Spion Kop/YNWA aspect - namely the instinctive re-inventing on the terraces of that Anfield Spion Kop of the sort of crowd culture you see today everywhere within sporting stadia the world over.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deffo us back then.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 5 13:02:56 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I just checked. I have eleven Cilla singles, 3 EPs and one LP. No CDs though.

Wow. Credit to you Pete lad.

You clearly had a maturely developed ear from early on. I can't claim any.

It's fascinating reading snippets from the likes of Morrissey citing some of Cilla's lesser know recordings as a source of inspiration. As you say she was very clearly underrated. Thinking back it may well have been that her singing/recording reputation amongst so many of us suffered so badly due to the Righteous Brothers comparison - so unfair when you consider it's very likely one of the all time greatest popular music recordings - and also the bitching I seem to recall regarding her taking from Dionne Warwick that initial Burt Bacharach composition and his selection of Cilla for Alfie.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 12:12:23 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great link, Al. Cilla was amazing. I was deeply shocked when I walked into the shop and saw the headlines. I was surprised how upset I was, actually. Going back to Sheridan Smith in the “Cilla” mini-series it was fascinating at how well she followed her intonation and phrasing in the songs, but also in those early Cavern scenes, she sang stuff which we know Cilla used to sing in those days, but which she never recorded. Through Sheridan Smith we could hear Cilla as the rock singer only Liverpool knew.

I agree on the songs, Al … You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling was a rare mistake. Not that she didn’t sing it well, because she did, but because the original was so powerful and different that it was unwise to try and beat it with a cover. I guess The Righteous Brothers weren’t that well-known, and it seemed worth a shot. As I said earlier, George Martin always booked the best session guys for Cilla, and The Beatles supplied her with a couple of songs too.

Guilty pleasures time. I just checked. I have eleven Cilla singles, 3 EPs and one LP. No CDs though.

Al, in spite of the heart-on-the-sleeve Stings and Bonos, I believe most very successful entertainers are about the same. It’s back to that Ringo Starr thing about living on Malibu Beach or back in his old house in Liverpool. He gave a straight and honest answer.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 11:51:52 CEST 2015 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Cilla

Duty bound as a fellow scouser to put up a little acknowledgement to Cilla.

Skipping through it’s great to see some familiar names returning to the GB – Norm, Angie and Davey P – to name but a few. Been absent myself due to the usual preoccupied shite.

Anyroad on with the Cilla acknowledgement

A truly amazing career.

It's only when you watch all the telly clips that you realise just how amazing it was, just how prominent she became within the British psyche over such a long period within the both the entertainment fields in which she starred and just how unique it actually is for any artist of any type to make and sustain such an impact across such a period, let alone do it whilst appealing across the generations.

Reflecting upon the widespread empathy towards her I find that with myself the emotion that I feel is not so much for her passing because I do have to admit I was in no way a huge fan but rather predictably for me, it's for that whole Liverpool connection thingie. And especially when listening to ordinary Liverpool folks expressing quite genuinely and unashamedly their particular sadness over their fondness for a local icon they perceived rightly or wrongly as an ordinary Liverpool girl made good.

Of course, for the likes of myself who grew up through Cilla's pop star years and, conforming to type, quite callously dismissing her and her songs/singing as so much middle of the road crap it's only now as you listen more closely that you realise just how wrong and misguided such instinctive youthful conclusions can be about such things. Sure she was never a Dusty or Aretha or indeed a Dionne but the sort of vocal distinctiveness she brought to each song she tackled was actually a quite rare gift emulated only by the few. And as you listen and explore a bit more you realise there were some great songs amidst some really sweet yet soulful and very ernestly and powerfully delivered singing. Admittedly she was better suited to some songs [Anyone Who had a Heart, You're My World, Alfie] for each of which she had the definitive versions than she was for others [Youve Lost That Lovin Feelin] which paled badly in comparison to the definitive takes of others.

As for her being a multi-millionare entertainer deserting her roots and flouting her right wing political leanings - I'll simply say as a lifelong socialist I fail to comprehend the apparent contempt for her felt by some. For me such behaviour by those within her line of business is surely par for the course for most of that ilk. Sure I'd never follow such a course myself. Then again I don't have buck teeth and 10 million in a safe.

Anyroad. From me it's tara Cilla luv. You were clearly one of a kind and it served you more than well. You'll clearly be sorely missed by so many.

Link is to to a really sweet acoustic duet with Paul of his composition ‘Step inside Love’. The girl really did have a wistful tone beneath all that scouse adenoid power


Entered at Wed Aug 5 10:49:13 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Stones I Throw - "bluesy and toe-tapping"

I was searching my files for something for somebody else when my eye fell upon a selection of brief reviews of Dylan-related singles. This was sent to me long ago with just a publication date written on (26 November 1965) but I have a feeling they may be from New Musical Express.

"Crashing plod-beat with organ and harmonica, plus that indefinable coloured feel, highlight 'The Stones I Throw' by LEVON and the HAWKS - it's both bluesy and toe-tapping".


Entered at Wed Aug 5 10:38:05 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Information overkill

Short "rant" added to my blog on the proliferation of stupid road signs in Britain. I'd be delighted to hear of some North American examples … please comment there.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:44:56 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Time and place

Time and place – there’s always a downside (he said grumpily). London was great 1964-1969, I stayed there a lot with a girlfriend’s family But I didn’t have any money, so stood on the side lines watching. . In 1970, when I lived there, things were already souring rapidly, pushed by strikes, power cuts etc.

From reports here, Yonge Street was perfect in the early 60s BUT you couldn’t get a drink easily if you were young and Sundays were dead.

I always thought San Francisco, maybe 1965 and escaping late 1967 / early 1968. But then my interest in record collecting has had me in some long and interesting conversations with survivors in San Francisco, and you’d have to say the downside is your brain would be largely f*cked now.

Berlin mid to late 1990s? Very exciting.

Rome late 1950s? Sitting on a motor scooter holding an ice-cream watching Sophia Loren sip an espresso?

Vienna 1910? Chatting to the decadent artists?

In the end, I think Hollywood 1911 to 1929.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:43:52 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Breaking A New Band / Paul Stanley of Kiss

Link


Entered at Wed Aug 5 09:16:13 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In London, urban renewal started along the south bank of the river in largely warehouse / factory / power station / wharf areas. It’s very different to NYC as these areas were heavily bombed anyway so had large gaps. The south bank has the fine views looking across to the buildings on the north bank, like the Houses of Parliament, St Paul’s etc. Huge apartment blocks are going up in all the spaces along the south of the river.

Yes, gentrification is creeping inexorably further south and inland because London property prices mean people look there. At the moment, it still retains a large degree of social and ethnic diversity, because the bombsites were often replaced with social housing which remains social housing, so gentrification is patchy rather than blanket.

In Memphis, there appeared to be a permanent protest site by the Museum of Civil Rights which was about gentrification in that area. In that case, it had an aspect of “bleaching”.

The other bit is rural gentrification. That has a bad aspect where second homes begin to take over all the nice small houses, leaving nothing for locals. The weekenders buy thatched cottages on beautiful spring days, and they complain when autumn comes round and the field behind them gets covered in pig manure, smelling for months, then tractors drive up and down behind their houses in a cloud of pesticides, while they are kept awake by the rural cock crows and the incessant whirring of the wind farms.

A little politics. The campaign to choose a new Labour leader here is ironic. The party has decided that it lost because it was ruled by a Blairite London elite who had no connection to its industrial cities. So the sudden front-runner is an outsider and a left-winger. Predictable. The irony is that he is the MP for Islington in London, which must be the wealthiest Labour seat in the country … due to gentrification, but by the Labour-voting media and political elites.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 07:20:27 CEST 2015 from (72.82.139.194)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Sweet Lou

Brown Eyes Girl, Nice link. I am a fan of 'Take No Prisoners'. Lou definitely does Lou better than anyone else. In terms of musical content, I would give the nod to 'Rock and roll animal' and 'Live In Italy' over Prisoners, but in terms of overall ambiance, Prisoners is the clear winner.

Have you heard the 1972 radio broadcast of Lou and the Tots? It's been released under several different names. I think the most common version is called 'American Poet'. That's a really good live recording from early in Lou' solo career.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 06:12:37 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Comedy with Louuu....Now I would have loved to have been there in 1978!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 06:09:29 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: KEVIN J/LOUUUU

Kevin J....Thank you so very much. You always seem to know what to say and you always make me laugh. Your presence is really appreciated here. Btw, as a student I worked one summer at Holt Renfrew. I didn't feel comfortable with the women who did their shopping in between their charity work. I was never their faithful servant so my sales were the worse. One daily benefit.....The elevator guy.....old store then.......exact image of Robbie Robertson.....The Robbie of TLW

Comedy of the night/day!

Now Ben.....I know you dig Louuuuu.....but this time.....no peeking in.....as he uses a lot of foul language here. Sorry......as he does Louuu better than anyone.....at the Bottom Line in NYC. It was maybe two years later that he evolved into the more progressive Louuuu.

Happy Healthy Wednesday!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 04:07:37 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Rod Stweart reuniting for a show with living Faces.

See the link.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:29:02 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Town of Woodstock. Say 66/67 till 74/75, or I wouldn't argue extending it even till the later 80s if ya want.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:24:40 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

...and of course Toronto's Yonge Street scene 1960-1964 - just to hear The Hawks.....Go-Go dancers, Robbie's wicked guitar and Richard Manuel in what must have been perfect voice......heaven !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:17:39 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: cultural epicenters & their time

Memphis 1955 too?


Entered at Wed Aug 5 03:00:23 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Memorable Cities in Time....

.......I would add 3 places to JQ's post......Shanghai, early 1930's.....great architecture, unbeatable nightclubs, exotic women, opium dens, only major city on planet untouched by the recession..........Montreal 1967-1976.......bookended by the Expo World Fair 1967 and Olympics 1976 and no-contest best restaurants in North America, best looking women in North America and the most decadent nightlife in North America ( oh, and 5 Stanley Cups ! ) and Kingston circa 1982, for KJ's apartment - see all of the above except the Cups and the food !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 02:31:57 CEST 2015 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Great places to live and be

If one considers cities and locales historically, some terrific spots in recent time and place are memorable I think, like London 1966, NYC 1928/1939, Greenwich Village 1950/1961, SF 1966, LA 1947, Berln and Paris 1925, etc.

I think the question is: where is that "it" place today, and maybe 5 years hence? I guess the only restriction is that it be a very big city... but maybe not -

Speaking of the moneyed crowd that are accused of wrecking some nice places recently, I read a review of a great dive bar where the author used the word "slick" as the collective noun for a group of yuppies!


Entered at Wed Aug 5 01:18:30 CEST 2015 from (24.114.75.220)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Blame it all on HGTV and Zero Interest Rates

As soon as secretaries and shop floor guys all decided even they couldn't think of living in a house without kitchen back splashes and granite countertops and 5 bathrooms, everyone was cooked !

Great video, Jeff.............a thousand thesis could be written about these issues.......saddest part is when neighbourhoods become attractive due to vibes largely created by the artists living in them and then so expensive that the artists are forced out......even more cruel is the new residents complaining/outlawing the very things that once defined the neighbourhoods.

Down by The Henry Moore......I always think of Dunc when I hear it......love your spirit, brown eyed girl....uptown is a bit safer....though there is always the risk of being run over by a $6000 designer dress at the Bayview Mall !


Entered at Wed Aug 5 00:30:47 CEST 2015 from (184.66.164.212)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Postcards from Toronto on video

Murray McLauchlan video is fantastic! Never saw it before. It represents (a) postcard/postcards for some of what is/was Toronto. Thank you.


Entered at Wed Aug 5 00:09:08 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, had you been specific, and not made a general statement...you'd not have heard a peep out of me. Clarification to what you were trying to state makes the difference. But i still say there is a difference to gentrification... Reviving a shotup, mostly abandoned and mostly worthless area, is very different from gentrification. Gentrification might result later... Especially if there is spread into nearby livable, but not high income areas.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 23:15:54 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, I was just saying that in London, though I couldn't afford to live there, the urban renewal on the South Bank has done the opposite to "Big Yellow Taxi" and turned a semi-industrial wasteland into a pleasant area. They tore up a parking lot and established a demi-paradise (for the theatre goer if no one else).

The Vancouver story is exactly what's happening here in Poole. Large bungalows are being demolished and replaced by 6 bed / 6 bath houses, nearly all built of triple glazed glass … much cheaper than bricks or stone.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 22:51:49 CEST 2015 from (184.66.163.29)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thank you, jh

Thank you, Jan, for the information. Many would not speak of those times though they needed to for all of us that remained to make sure everyone knew what happened. It was all too painful for them. Fortunately, they are speaking now.

There is a certain integrity that manifested itself in your part of the world when times were tough and the result of that integrity were saved lives.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 22:36:58 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Murray McLauchlan via of Scotland to Toronto....Down by the Henry Moore.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 21:53:07 CEST 2015 from (82.19.62.64)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Victoria BC

We really enjoyed our visit to Victoria a few years back. We took the seaplane from Vancouver (Peter V can probably guess why} and it was wonderful just to plop down in the harbour, taxi in and come ashore across from the imposing Empress Hotel (where we took afternoon tea one day - good grief, we were tourists after all).

I hope I haven't told this story before but, unbeknown to us, there was a travelling exhibition of Treasures from the British Museum at the Royal BC Museum. We went along and one of the exhibits was the Chertsey Shield, an Iron Age artefact. And Cherstey, which is a few miles from Heathrow Airport, was where we had left our car. So, we had travelled 6000 or so miles to see something around 2300 years old, which was found barely a mile from where we'd started. Kind of sums up the modern world, I thought.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 20:50:28 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jan, always good to read about GBers family & ancestors that were faced with dangerous situations, but acted with balls & courage, when confronted with moral choices in life or death situations.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 19:39:08 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, you wrote:"One person’s undesirable gentrification is another person’s desirable urban renewal." To which I respond that gentrification takes place in plenty of parts of Brooklyn & I imagine other cities or places that do not need that kind of renewal one fucking bit. While discussing her neighbors hom e, Lisa demonstrated that perfectly.There is a big difference between regular modernizing part of a home, doing a home improvement, even building an addition, and what happens during gentrification.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 19:11:16 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Rockin Chair, what a great story!

JT, I was in Victoria a few years ago - it's lovely, and reminded me so sadly of what Vancouver used to be like years ago. Vancouver is a victim of its own success. Pretty soon it won't even matter that the city has such a breath-taking view with its beautiful mountains, because you can hardly see them for all the condo towers. And many of these enormous houses that are changing neighborhoods so drastically are unoccupied. Case in point - the house next door to my mom's (in what used to be a completely average, middle-class neighborhood and is now relentlessly up-scale) - when our former neighbors died and the property was sold, their house was immediately demolished, to be replaced by a "mansion" with six bedrooms and seven bathrooms (I ask you, who on earth needs seven bathrooms in a house?). It has been sold twice since it was built, and the last time the price was listed at $4.5 million (my parents paid $17,000 for our house when we moved here in 1960 - well, it was a long time ago!). Whoever owns it now lives there a couple weeks a year. The rest of the time it sits empty.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 18:00:02 CEST 2015 from (79.153.108.82)

Posted by:

jh

Talking about WW2 and smuggling etc: My late father-in-law worked for the illegal resistance army, as a "pathfinder" for refugees from Norway that had to get over the border to Sweden to escape the nazis. They were mostly Jewish families that ran away from being deported to the concentration camps. He lived close to the Sweden and escorted groups of people through the woods and into safety, risking his own life, as the Germans would shoot at people trying to cross the border. Late in the war he was arrested and faced going to the concentration camps himself. During a winter march between prisons, he "lost" his shoes and was badly damaged by frostbite. Which resulted in hospitalization until the German war machinery was so run down they could no longer operate prisoner transports to Germany and Poland. He survived the war, regained his weight and went back to working in the local rubber factory until retirement. He would never talk about the war later in his life when I knew him, never showed anyone the medals that he was awarded. We found some information about his pathfinder missions and some people he saved in museum archives in Oslo.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 17:18:46 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

People always told me Victoria was the "Bournemouth of Canada" - gardens, flowers, buildings. Unfortunately, I think Bournemouth (where I was born) has declined badly in the last 20 odd years. Bournemouth and Poole were always Siamese Twin towns, inexorably joined. But now Bournemouth town centre just seems full of drunken wedding parties and hen parties at weekends, and kids pouring out of discos and clubs to puke on the pavements. On the other hand, Poole, where I live has taken over for my age group at least, with the old quay, beautiful harbor views and relatively peaceful town centre. Once a week hundreds of bikers assemble on the quay to admire each other's machines, but they're all plump and mellow nowadays!

I'm always amused by the narrow street running parallel to the quay, which in the early 19th century was a forest of ships' masts … it was a major port for the Newfoundland trade. As I say, it's right behind the dock buildings and is called … "Paradise Street." You may hazard a guess as to why.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 17:02:01 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One person’s undesirable gentrification is another person’s desirable urban renewal.

Our favourite place currently is the South Bank in London. When I lived in London, it was run down and the joke was that taxi drivers would decline a trip “south of the river.” Now it’s the coolest area. A lot of the regeneration is positive. The Menier Chocolate Factory is now an exciting theatre. We sometimes stay in the warehouse converted into apartments (which you can rent by the day) which used to be the Sarsons Vinegar factory. The old and tatty Borough Market is now considered one of the best “foodie” haunts in Britain. Restaurants proliferate around it. Shakespeare's brother is buried in Southwark Cathedral which forms one side of it. On the South Bank you have the National Theatre (three major theatres), The British Film Institute (where you can see classic films projected on big screens), The Royal Festival Hall, The Queen Elizabeth Hall (classical music), The Old Vic Theatre, the Young Vic Theatre, Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre, the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse, the Menier Chocolate Factory Theatre. Add the huge Tate Modern art museum. The South Bank theatres contrast with the "commercial theatres" in London's West End. The South Bank ones are cleaner, much more comfortable, usually cheaper and have the best productions.

We can spend a week in London and barely bother to venture north of the river nowadays. In 1970-71 the brutalist concrete of the National Theatre complex was criticized as a dark and dangerous mugger’s paradise with its walkways and steps (and it was). Now it’s one of the liveliest parts of London. So, yes. it’s been gentrified, but a lot is converted Victorian industrial buildings, other bits are misguided 50s and 60s development, but now it all seems to hang together.

You can say the same about Berlin, where the old “East Side” has become the most attractive part. it’s a process.

(BTW, for JT, Toronto is Mrs V’s favourite city of the places we’ve visited).


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:49:02 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Victoria BC

Mike (and anyone else who is interested): The first time I came to Victoria BC and actually visited was in the later 1980s. I was giving a lecture at an annual meeting and I knew nothing about it. I was (for the first time) in BC a few years earlier in Vancouver and I thought it was superb. But Victoria is one of the hidden gems of Canada. Relatively few get over from Vancouver to visit. John D knows. It has the most beautiful gardens (Butchart) that I have ever seen and there is a musical venue there (one of the times I saw Bruce Cockburn (last year). The university campus (University of Victoria) is lovely. Walking the downtown streets reminds you of how different cities can look. There is a height restriction on buildings and you still see old buildings from a century ago. It has an exquisite little 'Chinatown'. As you move away from downtown, it has the prerequisite malls and 'golden mile' stores. Sidney is a lovely town not far from the airport. The ferry to Vancouver makes it easy (and enjoyable) to get back and forth if you have a few hours. It seemed so 'far away' from everything I knew before. Little did I know that fate would have me end up moving here only 15 years later. I love this city and would suggest that anyone with a love of something different give Victoria BC a few days of your time. You won't be sorry!


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:36:32 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Even Victoria seems to have grown exponentially from the time I first visited that city, especially northward, toward Sidney. But the region itself is beautiful, and there is always the climate.The Gulf Islands are something else. I would have moved there in my youth had I known a little more about the country.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:29:16 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: rear view Mirror

I feel the same way, Mike. I love going back to Toronto for a week every so often (and I do,mainly for work and to see family) but I return to the beautiful Victoria and am happy to do so. Its a hoot to be in TO though and we have a great time there whenever we go. It has none of the beauty and serenity of Victoria.

But don't get me wrong. There is lots to do in Victoria. Tonight we go see the Harbourcats vying for a wild card position with 5 games left in the season. (some of the players are signed to the majors). Its a good city with good restaurants and enough to do when you want it to live as well as enjoy the splendid weather most of the year. And most important to me are the small venues where we actually get to meet many of the performers after their shows. We're way past large arenas and 3 day events now. But to meet Bruce Cockburn, Aaron Neville, (the late) Jeff Healey, Stephen Fearing, and many others is not something easily accomplished in TO.

So, I'm with you on always wanting to go home after visiting a place. I even feel that way after visiting Miami or places in Europe. If you love where you're living, its always nice to go home. But I'm glad you explained yourself, Mike. It originally sounded more negative.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 16:21:31 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Toronto is obviously one of the world's great cities, and I look forward to visiting every now and again. When I was a younger man, it was great to be in its midst -- so exciting, so vibrant. But it's solitude I now seek in my introspective years, and I'm always anxious to leave for home whenever I visit. That's what I meant, JT.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 15:05:11 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Righteous'

Yes, in the horror of that war, a few showed what good human beings could accomplish. Not enough is ever said about these events. What happened to those who arrived? Are their families still living in your midst?


Entered at Tue Aug 4 15:00:49 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Toronto has changed a lot since I arrived here to further my schooling. Right now every available space is used for condos. We are now North America's capital. Our two floor townhouse Co-Op unit is only 800 square feet. We can't even afford a 400 square foot condo unit as we wouldn't want to have a mortgage at this time in our lives so we'd have to move.......We just had our Pan Am Games......then our Caribbana Festival where even former Raptor Doug Christie brought his son and Kevin Durant was in town so maybe he checked it out before being at Toronto Blue Jay game yesterday. I never liked Calypso music so I haven't attended in years. The last time I did attend with my Jamaican friend who took me there three times......a police officer told us to go home at 6:00 as the gangs were out. I wasn't aware of gangs in the late seventies......I've always lived downtown except in the west end a couple of times. We had a murder behind my building and one beside my building where that night at midnight I heard four pop, pop, pop, pops. I was attacked just around the corner in broad daylight and unfortunately the way I fell......wrist was broken. He was never found but I still remember.......He probably lived in one of the many half-way homes in my hood. I think it's called a random act of violence.......

As far as music and some art......food markets, medical services.......We have it all.....That's why we're called the small apple.

I recently saw some of my cousins who have lived a more sheltered life and of course their reaction was why haven't you moved?! We're still saving to move to THE place. If his work wasn't so precarious we'd have moved a few years ago. Toronto is great when you're young and you have money.....very expensive city. We're young at heart.....I would miss some things for sure if we moved to a small town talk place.....just like the one I grew up in.....whereas imagezulu was raised in the west end where he didn't witness what I have......The difference here from NYC is although we have racism as well.....in general hoods are more mixed.....When I stayed with friends in Brooklyn......I can't remember the hood......no whites.....If you go to west Eglinton.....a lot of Jamaicans but not only......Reggae group Black Uhuru (Freedom) wrote a song about hood......"Youth of Eglinton". Two streets over from where I live.......affluent Victorian home owners......or they break up their large homes into apartments......Danny Marks still lives one street over from us....He sometimes performs at our Cabbagetown Festival.....skater Toller Cranston used to live here......Avril Lavigne used to have a home two streets over as well as Carole Pope. The only people I know who live in the more affluent area.......both are lawyers and the other couple.....She was an educational consultant and partner an architect. My Co-Op is very safe and well taken care of and the neighbours are mostly friendly. We have won awards for the programs that are offered here and for the inclusive community that lives here.....It was close to my work....10 minute bus ride or 30 minute walk....walk evrywhere downtown so no need for a car.....Rent is lower here as well.....so.....You can't have everything.....I'll always have my music and books and many mind blowing experiences in life......I'm affluent in another way. :-D

Song of the day!

Another reggae group I saw at Massey Hall from England......UB40!

Happy Healthy Tuesday!


Entered at Tue Aug 4 14:52:11 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Son of a son of a smuggler.

Thank you to your ancestors, you Scandinavian madman.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 11:15:21 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Local history

Thanks JT. Actually, we live in an old fishing village outside of the town. It was best known as a smugglers' nest. It was good for your people because during the WW2 these fishermen took 7000 refugees from Denmark over the Strait. They changed their cargo from arsenic and alcohol to people. Let's remember them as heroes, though.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 06:33:47 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lisa, i don't know why, but i had mistakenly thought you lived in San Fransisco.
I'm quoting you from one of your posts about what is going on where you live: "Beautiful, liveable older homes torn down and replaced with these enormous houses that take up almost all the yard space." That kills me and it is a constant here in Brooklyn. Even in cases where some one buys a one family, and either remodels it, or demolishes it and starts anew,with just a enormous one family (that could house a family of 20) they eliminate the yards and use every possible inch they can get away with or pay off inspectors and politicians to allow. And they tear down trees. Man, Brooklyn was loaded with trees and these retards are removing em.

Your link to that article abut Music Row in NYC- you beat me to it. the part where they discuss how efforts were made to get the local politicians to designate the block historic and make it a desirable, educational cultural attraction but the efforst fell on deaf ears- this is part of what i meant when i wrote about relevancy - in this case, how unless something or some ones appears to mean the most possible money in the long run,- here, in NYC, it's no longer relevant- especially to the people who are making the calls and the big money...

Jerry - thanks for the kind words. Mike Nomad! Watch the road :-) . Just busting em :-) . I also learned to drive the right way. Looking ahead, but always with a piece of an eye on that rearview. Today, these drivers- most of em shouldn't be allowed to drive go carts. Now they also got drones to fly.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 05:22:34 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: She Thinks I Still Care........George Jones

I guess I could put up a youtube link, but Y'all can find it for yersselves!

This is one of the first songs of George I ever started to sing back about 1965. So here is a story, (don't remember if I ever put this up here before.

Long about 1986 or 7 I had a real smokin' country - country rock band in the Vancouver, Fraser Valley area. We played all the biggest clubs and we named our price. It was a fun time.

There was a guy, live stage show promoter, you guys remember, (under assistant west coast promotion man". He had put a show together with George Jones at the"Cave Supper Club". This was a major show lounge in Vancouver, long since gone. Many years ago my sister was the head waitress riding heard o the crew woman. Anyway this promotion guy whose name was Jim Howe had put this show together. Now we have to go back a little here. This was in the days when George Jones has that handle, "No Show Jones", because he more often than not got drunk and never showed up!

Well this Jim Howe got the jitters than George would let him down and he was trying to fill this room. So Jim came around to a bunch of us playing in bars and gave us "free" tickets with the lecture, tell all your friends and see if we can get everyone down and fill the place!

Well..........George didn't show, however his band was great! They played their asses off. As there was only about 50 people in the place and we were right up close, (about 20 of us had got together and said...hell we might get to see George for free, so as most us were playing at our gigs, we got people to fill and for us and we gathered and got us selves down there). Now when these boys took a break and came off the stage, they came right by our table and said, "Thanks Y'all for comin." Well I'm not quite sure who it was, I think Fast Eddy Molyski whose studio I recorded my CD at. He says to this boy, "Well if you need a Jones up there, this is Norm Jones." The boy says to me, "Y'all want ta come and do a set with us?" I says ....."Sure what the hell". He says, do you know any of George's songs? I say yaeh, lots. First song I sing is, "She thinks I still care". One of the best nights of my life. I also did a couple songs like........Webb Pierce......Back Street Affair. I figured George owed me..........but I never took him to task for it -:)


Entered at Tue Aug 4 04:09:01 CEST 2015 from (67.87.216.7)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Little Willie John

She Thinks I Still Care. With Vibrato to spare. I'd take the vibrato and still give my left nut to have that kinda singing voice. When you can sing like that, one nut is all you need.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 03:39:43 CEST 2015 from (174.252.48.35)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Didn't It Rain

Just wrapped up at Amy Helm's album release party for 'Didn't It Rain' here on the lower east side of Mahattan. Great time, and this band has really gelled. Never heard them sound better. So proud of Amy. Really wonderful night.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 03:10:26 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Montreal

I love Montreal. It has a vibe that Toronto will never have, but we are improving. I know most Montrealers (except those who moved here in the 70s) hold Toronto at some level in disdain. But I do appreciate the apology. Very civil and what I would have expected, Mike. Thank you.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 02:50:01 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

With apologies to JT, Toronto always looks great . . . in my rear-view mirror.


Entered at Tue Aug 4 01:26:31 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: About Toronto

The same thing did not happen in Toronto to the same extent, though neighbourhoods have changed. The city spread north to Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Newmarket, Aurora etc. There is a lot of land as you go north up Yonge St. and Don Valley Pkway/404 etc

Many of the neighbourhoods in downtown and midtown Toronto look similar to what they did 50 years ago (but clearly not 100 years ago, from photos I have seen on line). But, there are many new skyscraper condos all over changing the skyscape in midtown Toronto. What has changed (for the better) is the number of restaurants in Toronto. Sixty years ago, when I was a kid, there were very few places where you could eat. Now, there are restaurants of all types and descriptions. / There are many hotels of all sizes spread all over the city. We have Art Galleries of all sizes and a major museum and other small ones. Entertainment is growing, but still lags compared to a place like NYC. What we don't have in Toronto is an area like historical (50 years ago) Brooklyn with its individualism in so many aspects. What we do have are ethnic areas of Toronto, all of which continue to grow (Little Italy, Portuguese area, Indian area, Little Jamaica, Chinatown etc). When have sports teams and hope to have an NFL team one of these days

. Distinct areas continue to thrive. There is a growing entertainment area downtown catering to the 20s-30s. Queen St. west is a growth area of creativiity. The Beaches (on Lake Ontario is a small enclave with a somewhat distinct personality. The diversity of Toronto makes it an interesting city. We have our 'difficult areas' too but in general, Toronto remains a relatively safe city where there is lots to do. For those who know it and have lived in it a long time, it retains its positivity. But understand, there are many from other parts of Canada who loathe Toronto and have nothing good to say about it. The El Mocambo is there in name alone but The Horseshoe Tavern remains. Hugh's Room is a great small venue to hear artists that many hear admire. Massey Hall is undergoing renovation and is still a terrific venue. Roy Thompson Hall is a newer entertainment site. We have a number of other mid-size locales for music and of course the arena acts still go to Air Canada Centre. We now have an Opera Centre and some small and medium sized theatres for staged plays. (musicals, drama etc.).

Bill M and BEG can tell you more about Toronto.

I write this to perhaps stimulate others to talk about their local environment. Jeff A stimulated this post with his wonderful work and posts and I also noted the message about Garth Hudson and Helsingborg and a 12th century church. We know little about where you all live and what those places can offer. Let's hear from you.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 20:04:31 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

Web: My link

Subject: Attempt to post a link


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:49:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Haircuts

Looking at the kids dancing... the Beatles were out... no haircuts yet...everybody with parts and clean standard cuts...same as with the Beatle shows at Ed Sullivan... it took a while. Liverpool was here but the haircuts would come next year.

Great song, isn't it? Written by a relatively unknown Italian composer but made a hit only by the great Cilla.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:42:25 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tracy Chapman sings Dylan

I very often play this. Love to watch this clip of Tracy singing this song.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:36:47 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Sorry, lousy typing. Cilla . . .


Entered at Mon Aug 3 18:35:00 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Web: My link

Subject: Cilia Black

You're My World.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 17:50:19 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: "You're My World"

Cilla Black: "You're My World" - anthemic for lovers and stands alone.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 17:45:03 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: RIP Cilla Black

Greatly saddened by the news of Cilla's death at 72. She was a national icon. The recent TV miniseries with Sheridan Smith as Cilla was a fitting tribute. Her version of Anyone Had A Heart is still unbeaten, and George Martin lavished the very best session musicians on her studio work. OK, her return as a TV host was self-parody, but musically she leaves a great legacy - under-rated too.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 15:04:26 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song of the day!

Black response to Dylan's "Blowin' In The Wind"......Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come".
.....I've also really liked "Bring It On Home To Me".....Lou Rawls vocals just makes the song even better.

One time at a New Year's Eve house party hosted by Mr. Gadjet who had his own TV show....My jazz boyfriend at the time started playing "Summertime" on the piano.....All of a sudden the host kicks us all out!! I don't know if it was Sasha's voice (not so good)....He was an upright bass player but gave it up in Russia as he knew he wouldn't be able to play full-time.) or his piano playing.....or what.....but it was such bad karma that we couldn't get out fast enough.....lol


Entered at Mon Aug 3 14:38:45 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"The five men were a “functioning democracy”, according to Big Pink producer John Simon, listing their attributes. Danko was “a very melodic bass player and a lot of fun to hang with”. Helm was “a born musician, who sang with the tradition of those generations-ago singers of sincerity and conviction in his subconscious”. Hudson was – and is – a “genius with a Cartesian mind” and Manuel was simply “The Singer”. Robertson, meanwhile, was the director figure, overseeing the entire picture, “paying special attention to how all the elements in the arrangement fit together, including his guitar parts”.

Although he would not fully emerge as The Band’s principal songwriter until their second album, the guitarist was already “the architect of their sound”, says Simon. On “Caldedonia Mission” and “Chest Fever”, principally sung by Danko and Manuel, respectively, he would sing their lines to them to let them know exactly what he wanted, and they would copy his phrasing. “It was casting on my part,” says Robertson. “Who could pull off these songs the best?” The sense of character and emotional authenticity was key. Robertson imbued his new songs, and others such as “The Weight” and “Yazoo Street Scandal”, with a tangible sense of place and personal history which came to define The Band’s music. “It was all stuff gathered subconsciously playing the Chitlin’ circuit,” he says. “Going from Canada down to the Mississippi Delta, it overwhelmed me and got under my skin. All the names of the places – there really was a Yazoo Street! I started putting them up in my attic, and years later I went in and pulled these things out.”

The last song recorded was “The Weight”. Robertson had written it as a homecoming gift for Helm, who had returned to find all the lead vocals already assigned to Danko and Manuel. “I thought, Jeez, I want to write a song that Levon can sing better than anybody, ’cause I knew his abilities,” says Robertson. “He was my closest friend and I wanted to do something really special for him.” Even so, its magnetic, timeless quality only revealed itself in the studio. “It was on the back burner,” adds Robertson. “Like, if these other ones don’t work out I have something else we could go to. I didn’t realise what it was until we recorded it and listened back.”

Happy Healthy Simcoe Day in Toronto...Happy Healthy Civic Holiday!

Happy Healthy Monday!


Entered at Mon Aug 3 14:14:32 CEST 2015 from (32.216.244.98)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Jan H

JH. Sent you an email through the site.


Entered at Mon Aug 3 05:33:04 CEST 2015 from (173.3.48.39)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norbert, yes, in scale to the monstrosities on either side, that great old house appears small. That is a sizable artery, two lanes in each direction. On one end of that block there were always two apartment buildings. I don't recall if they were 4, 5 or by the neighborhood, at the very most, 6 story. I grew up a third of a mile away. there were bout 7 of those private houses on that block, with a 4 or 5 story apartment building at the north end. Those houses were all large, gorgeous two and a half story, as the lowest level was half sunken. Many housed a doctor's office and a family or two. They could function as anything from one to three family. Lengthwise, they were at least 70 feet deep, possibly more. All had their own driveways and sizable garages. My eye doctor owned one of those as long as i remember, till he sold it bout a year ago.. There's two of those houses left now. The density getting added to the population of people & cars is staggering, the new buildings going in have underground parking garages of course. And of course the skyline shrinks... .... Norbert, some of these old Brooklyn brick homes, got built three layers of brick deep in the walls.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 19:20:18 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

joan

Subject: Garth

Happy Birthday Garth., Hope it is a great one.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:53:48 CEST 2015 from (98.66.188.159)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Returns of the Day

Happy Birthday to the one, the only, wild wacky & wonderful Garth Hudson. Thank you, Garth, for enriching all of our lives with your magnificent soulful sounds. May you have a great day today!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:51:30 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Garth Hudson! Thanks for the music as one of the best musicians modern music has ever seen, but, and maybe more important, for being such a great person. Have a great time with Maud!

Beautiful Garth, thank you.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 18:50:45 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Garth's Three Best Moments Live with The Band (other than Chest Fever):

1) Intro to Stage Fright, Before The Flood

2) TNTDODD, Final Chorus, Carter Barron Amphitheater, Washington DC, July 1976

3) Get Up Jake, organ solo, Rock of Ages.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 17:23:26 CEST 2015 from (99.16.133.205)

Posted by:

Adam

HAPPY 78TH BIRTHDAY to my biggest inspiration in this world, a man we all love dearly, Mr. Garth Hudson. Thank you for everything you have given me!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 15:42:59 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Windsor, Ontario

Born in Windsor Ontario: Garth Hudson, Jack Scott (Giovani Scafone) Shania Twain, Skip Spence (Quicksilver Messenger Service, Moby Grape), Jeff Martin (Tea Party).

Happy Birthday, Mr. Hudson. Many are looking forward to your sojourn to south Sweden.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 12:58:04 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Garth Hudson. We have a large family party here today and I will raise a toast in your honor while "French Girls" plays.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 11:20:10 CEST 2015 from (86.185.110.66)

Posted by:

Simon

Happy Birthday Garth. Best wishes and have a great day.

BEG - That is a fantastic photo. Many thanks for posting.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 11:02:20 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song for the day!

Norbert reminding me of Van's "Reminds Me Of You".....lyrics....organ just tops it off.

Happy Healthy Birthday to Garth!

Happy Healthy Sunday!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 10:56:59 CEST 2015 from (174.91.164.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Great musical gift from Canada
Always teaching other musicians
Ready to play Lowrey organ, piano, keyboards, saxophones, accordion, horns
The Band member
Hudson in London, Ontario and Woodstock, NY celebrating his BIRTHDAY today!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 10:20:34 CEST 2015 from (92.19.39.194)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Happy Birthday Garth

I wish that for every extra candle on your cake, you receive an extra reason to smile. Happy Birthday to you!


Entered at Sun Aug 2 02:24:26 CEST 2015 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe k

Location: Foggy Dew
Web: My link

Subject: New Music

Link is to a young lady (from ? Hamilton, Ont.) named Terra Lightfoot. She's rocking out a whole lot more here than on her debut. Remember I introduced you to Sarah Harmer, Carolyn Wonderland, Serena Ryder and Amelia Curran.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 01:29:15 CEST 2015 from (208.181.205.152)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: My Home Town ....... Progress?

It is appropriate to listen to Springsteen thinking of our towns the way they used to be. My home town of Comox used to be a sleepy little sea board town. Now we call the Comox Valley, "Vinyl Valley".

There isn't too many high rises but it is getting that closed in feeling. I'm more comfortable in these little villages. I can't imagine living in those cities..... just not built that way.


Entered at Sun Aug 2 00:21:42 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

That's quite a vivid picture you paint there, Jeff!

It's the same here, endless development, condo towers everywhere, just cram more and more people in. Beautiful, liveable older homes torn down and replaced with these enormous houses that take up almost all the yard space. How this is at all ecological escapes me entirely. And now Vancouver is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in, according to some statistics anyway.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:40:19 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Jeff. You’re right, the down side of capitalism.

p.s. great vid, I like that lonesome little house between the biggies


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:34:48 CEST 2015 from (81.32.186.101)

Posted by:

jh

Garth and Sister Maud in Helsingborg, not this month, but soon. And we will be there!

NYC: Our former house DJ lives there now, in a beautiful, spacious apartment on 7th Ave in Chelsea, between 25th and 26th, right by the infamous Chelsea Hotel, in a beautiful building with doormen and all the services you may or may not want. The cost of living there is way more than yours truly make in a year. Demand and supply, as always. But how nice to have such a pad to stay in whenever we go to NYC -- he is always out there working and touring and has way too little time to enjoy the miracle of living right in the middle of prime Manhattan. Thinking about our own humble upbringing, working-class kids in rural Norway, no money for nothing. 50 years later....


Entered at Sat Aug 1 23:17:12 CEST 2015 from (87.144.173.127)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: recollection Brown Eyed Girl collection

Just like today it was warm Saturday evening in July, ten years ago in rural France. I drove my trailer back to Holland.

Wide corn fields, combines in dust clouds harvesting, alternating little villages. People sitting outside drinking wine before dinner at 8, having a good time.

I saw it all like a movie passing by, all car windows open. The CD player scans Brown Eyed Girl's Van’s Reminds My of You. Played it loud! (yes I did show off to the French). Every now and then I think of that beautiful trip home, everything was great and Van made it a perfect day.

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I still have those great CDs, most stored in a map. But one ended up, as only CD, in my little vintage sports car. I only drive that car a few times a year; sunny Sundays only.

It’s a nice car but low and rather harsh, so I drive it mostly alone. I always put the sunroof open and play my Brown Eyed Girl's loud.

Anyway, on beautiful Sundays, our neighbors and the German Autobahn are lucky too.

Think tomorrow will bring a beautiful Sunday, thanks my Brown Eyed Girl.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 21:20:36 CEST 2015 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Much the same comparing London and Poole - even though Poole is allegedly one of the most expensive "non-London" towns.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 19:24:45 CEST 2015 from (108.41.170.168)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Brooklyn madness

Jeff I totally agree with you the real estate has gone crazy. New York was always a little out of everybody's reach but somehow there was a compromise there now it's just not even possible. I live in a four bedroom house out in the suburbs. If I wanted to move to Manhattan or Brooklyn in a decent neighborhood I couldn't get more than two bedroom apartment. It's crazy


Entered at Sat Aug 1 17:11:14 CEST 2015 from (50.100.52.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Story of the day!

"Brilliant documentary about the life and times of Sam Cooke, featuring rare archive footage. Part 1-4 including Dixie Hummingbirds, Mavis Staples and Staples Family. One part there is no sound due to copyright. :-((((

Happy Healthy Saturday!


Entered at Sat Aug 1 17:10:06 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Southern Sweden

For anyone who doesn't know, Helsingborg is in the south of Sweden (I have a particular interest in Lund and this area in general) and is a train ride from Copenhagen. It is truly a wonderful area to visit. I'm sure others here can tell you more about this beautiful area, but I though I would highlight it. The University of Lund itself is worth a visit as one of the truly old campuses in Europe.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 15:57:04 CEST 2015 from (184.66.134.56)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Garth Hudson in Sweden

Looks like Garth Hudson in Helsingborg, Sweden (St. Mary's Church) is temporarily postponed. New date will be announced. (noted on July 30).


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:46:46 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

That's a great poster, NWC.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:46:11 CEST 2015 from (24.199.71.83)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

NorthWestCoaster: AWESOME! That show will be such a treat.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 14:20:24 CEST 2015 from (83.249.162.238)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Garth Hudson

This is how the poster on my local church from the 12th Century looks like / my link.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 05:58:44 CEST 2015 from (108.88.110.210)

Posted by:

Pat B

Advancing age and the bitterness of time poorly spent does strange things to Sour Dweebs.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 04:30:45 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Lisa, what's going on here is traumatizing. NYC, Brooklyn included, always had plenty of people coming here form other places,that's nothing new. It's escalated, and the fact that while we were crowded in the 60s & 70s even, life was tolerable, but today the amounts of people and cars is numbing. Now add to that the construction of tall buildings is everywhere, and i mean everywhere, you canlt turn around without seeing it, we are being boxed in, the visual aesthetic nature is changing at warp speed, the cultural natures are changing, and Brooklyn itself is being hijacked and used as an empty brand, a new non culture, and the old culture has mostly disappeared and we're also in a way being told we're extinct and non relevant, the whole thing sucks. I know how the native Americans felt, i almost feel like getting a headrest, loincloth, tomahawk, bow and arrow, an Indian Pony, and riding bareback to the Brooklyn Bridge.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 03:47:03 CEST 2015 from (68.171.246.27)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Terronto

Jh: I saw Levon with the Cates (the brothers plus Eoff and Cagle) in about 1980 in the Le Coq D'Or. I'm pretty sure they were there for a week and that they did a second week not all that long after. I went with a friend who was also friends with Levon - so she took me along when she went back to say hello between sets. They were terrific.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 03:32:34 CEST 2015 from (70.53.112.216)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Love it, Jeff. (Does passing through LaGuardia count? Probably not.) I'm still counting on you for an hour's experience in the borough some day. That is, if I make it through this vale . . . . Take care, friend.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 02:57:26 CEST 2015 from (174.1.48.234)

Posted by:

Lisa

So true, Jeff. And a sad song that can apply to probably any large city now, certainly this area. I notice you wrote that in 2001 - it's way worse now.


Entered at Sat Aug 1 02:18:07 CEST 2015 from (173.3.51.246)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Norbert! & Especially Mike Nomad :-)

Those of you who have School For Fools know this song. I shot the photos in the last 6 or 8 weeks.

There was some stuff I wished to include differently, or present in more or a NYC way, that i held back on. In case it coulda led to issues.


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