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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, July 2009


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Posted by:

Jerry

Although I never cared for Joan's version of TNTDODD it was at least listenable. After watching and laughing at Clay's version I wondered how they could think that was a worthy version to put on TV. But thats what that show did, and people loved it. How long were they on, something like 25 years.

My Dad God rest his soul loved Lawrence Welk and that show was on every week in our house. That should of been some form of child abuse I would have thought. I blame not finding The Band till I was damm near 40 on the crippling effect this show had on me.

Hey Peter, always good to start the day off with a good laugh


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Posted by:

David P.

westcoaster: Yes, I like Ms. Bogguss' version and she also did a decent cover of John Hiatt's "Drive South".

It was under the auspices of the Welk Group that Vanguard's great catalog of recordings began to be reissued in the CD format. In addition to Ms. Baez and Ian & Sylvia, other Band connections included recordings by John Hammond and Eric Andersen. Mr. Hammond's "So Many Roads", kicked up by Robbie, Levon & Garth, became available on CD, although I still treasure my original mono & stereo Vanguard LP versions and the more recent heavy-vinyl reissue on the Cisco label.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Someday Soon

Jan: Although, (as David says) Judy Collins had a huge hit with the song, over the many years I've sung the song, and watched Ian do it, it's not really a girly song.

You gotta get your mind wrapped around the story, of a young guy coming home from the service, and trying to chase his "cowboy dreams". Told from the girl, and how she's feeling about him is good, however if you listen to the lines, and what is in his head, "cowboyin'" is hard to stay away from.

Consider George Strait's, "Amarillo By Morning". Garth Brooks, "I'm Much Too Young To Feel This Damn Old" (in this song, a reference to "Chris Laduke" made Chris a lot of money in record sales.)

These are cowboy songs. David, have you ever paid much mind to Suzy Boogus cover of "Someday Soon"? I think I would say that is my favourite. Probably the one I least like is Mo Bandy.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Champagne Music

And yes, Ian & Sylvia's early catalogue was on the Vanguard label, now part of the Welk Music Group. This includes "Someday Soon" (from "Northern Journey") and "Four Strong Winds" (from the album of the same name). As a sidebar -- Judy Collins' wonderful cover of "Someday Soon" (on Elektra) featured the dynamic team of James Burton on lead guitar and Buddy Emmons on pedal steel.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Thanks, Westcoaster . . . . great story. I'm sure you do a good job on "Someday Soon" (one of my favs) but don't you think it's a "girly song?" Do you change the words a la Joan Baez? To be such a dorky-looking young man, I think Ian Tyson is the best looking 76 y.o. guy in the world.

Yep, Claire, very strange. There it was -- gone.

J.F.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Blowin????????

Jan; To add a little to your reference to Four Strong Winds. When we went thru this route before.......I forget how long ago. There is that cafe, in "The Village" there in Noo Yawk. I forget the name at the moment, some one will tell you it.

Anyway that is where Ian was when this conversation about "Blowin' in The Wind" took place, and Ian made the remark. He borrowed the keys to a friend's apartment, went over there and wrote "Four Strong Winds" in a very short time.

The kicker that is quite funny, is (sitting in an apartment in New York), writing a song about Alberta. As you must know, that is the Theme song of Alberta, for a long time now.

On another note of Ian's writing, (I have recorded, "Someday Soon" on my CD). It's just now finished Eddy called me and told me about 3 days ago. Just got to get the master down to the outfit to get the product produced now. Anyway, long about 1987 sometime, at "Boone County Cabaret" in Coquitlam just outside Vancouver, Ian and I were leaning on the bar, (Ian came in with his band to do a one night show when I was playing there with my band.) We were just yawing about music in general.

I said, "Someday Soon" is the best, but I sing the gawd damn song better than you do. He said, I KNOW! so why don't you record it. Every body else has. He said, it's the most recorded country song ever. Now I don't know if that's true,but at that time, he told me it had been recorded 104 times in different countries and languages.

Well I finally got it done anyway. Now I don't know how people will feel about my job on it, but the steel player, and harp player in my outfit do a superb job.


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Posted by:

Claire

Jan, I read the article in RS about Levon's 150th Midnight Ramble. Curiosity got the better of me after reading the tantalizing tidbit (gone now) on What's New about Levon's herb use. It seems that the Cannabis Cup is held in Levon's kitchen after every Ramble. Interesting reading.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Peter, Joanie didn't make errors in Dixie, she flat out changed the words. She does that a lot.

I'm glad everyone enjoyed the Lawrence Welk info and that Jerry found that awesome YouTube video. But, truth be known, I only posted the "One Toke Over the Line . . ." bit b/c of the article in RS about Levon.

Lunch listening today included Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds" (on CD, not radio). This song was written when Ian heard a Dylan song and said, "Sh**, I can write a song that good." Which Dylan song would that be?? Easy one, but please, steel trap mind David P, let the other kiddies have a go at it first.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Leave it to David to tie all of THAT together. He really does have a mind like the proverbial steel trap.


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Posted by:

Peter V

To be fair to Joan, and without double-checking, I feel the guy makes errors in TNTDODD that she didn't make.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: A one and a two ah...

One of Lawrence Welk's business enterprises, the Welk Music Group, bought Vanguard Records in 1985. Levon's "Dirt Farmer" and "Electric Dirt" are distributed by Vanguard. Of course, one of Vanguard's biggest hits was Joan Baez's version of "TNTDODD".


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Pat B

Love your "Freezing Norwegian" haiku!

Best by far.

I hope RR,Garth, and Levon appreciate Jan's efforts.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Subject: Shatner/Palin Poetry

Saw a replay of this last night on TV -- is that Mike Merritt on the bass?

J.F.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

TNTDODD was "the number one country song???" Which country? I'm still shocked at seeing that awful version of the song. If Harry Shearer and friends sat out to create an awful parody of that sort of Lawrence Welk treatment of a great song, they couldn't have created anything more horrible than that version--complete with the bungled Baez lyics. How bad was it? It was so bad I had to watch some of the Last Waltz version of the song to remind myself how great it was in the original version. Talk about going from the ridiculous to the sublime...

I'm also amazed that the Lawrence Welk version of "One Toke Over the Line" is on YouTube--and submitted by Mr. Brewer from Brewer and Shipley himself. That one is even funnier than William Shatner reading the words of Sarah Palin!


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Lawrence Welk...a Band connection, who'dda thunk it, eh?

Jerry: good find! I think this answers Charlie Y's query.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Brothers Bloom

Rod: yes, your ears were not playing tricks on you. I haven't seen the movie, but did catch the promo for it a whlie ago.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Brothers Bloom

Has anyone come across this movie/DVD?. The trailer I heard on another DVD had a sound track that sounded just like the last few bars of Stage Fright.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Many, many thanks Jerry. I've started my day with tears of laughter running down my cheeks. Marvelous stuff. The YouTube comments below are about as funny as the song, though the first few mention the mangled lyrics. Then they get personal.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

Clay Hart on Welk, singing TNTDODD


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Band Song Most Likely for Lawrence Welk Interpretation

Jan: I would love to find that Lawrence Welk Show version of "One Toke Over the Line" on You Tube--or on PBS reruns--just as I'd love to see "The Shape I'm In" on the American Bandstand Rate-a-Record segment (which I saw on TV when it aired--REALLY).

Anyway, this brings us to a new thread: what Band song would most likely work in a Lawrence Welk version, played by a large group of musicians in matching polyester clothes, with women singing harmony under their big hair-sprayed perms? I'd have to nominate something with an accordian part since that was a big instrument on Welk's show. Let's say Dylan's "Masterpiece." I'd like to see that.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: History July 30th

This Day in History, July 30

BAGHDAD Founded on 30 July 762 by the Abbasid dynasty, at the request of the caliph al-Mansur. The goal was to replace Harran as the seat of the caliphal government; however, a city of Baghdad is mentioned in pre-Islamic texts, including the Talmud, and the Abbasid city was likely built on the site of this earlier settlement. Baghdad eclipsed Ctesiphon, the capital of the Persian Empire, which was located some 30 km (20 miles) to the southeast, which had been under Muslim control since 637, and which became quickly deserted after the foundation of Baghdad. The site of Babylon, which had been deserted since the 2nd century BC, lies some 90 km (55 miles) to the south.

July 30th, 1733, the first Freemasons lodge was opened in what would become the United States.

What was Wrigley Field first? Chicago's Wrigley Field is one of the oldest and most cherished ball parks in the United States. The American tradition of singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" at the beginning of each baseball game started at Wrigley Field during the first game of the 1918 World Series. The ball park is affected by wind conditions more than any other major league park. Breezes off Lake Michigan favor pitchers, but winds blowing toward Lake Michigan make home run hits easy. It is the only park where it's more difficult to hit a homer down the foul line than to hit one 50 or so feet out in fair territory, because the bleachers protrude into the outfield.

In 1976, Kate Smith made her last public appearance on this date, singing her signature number "God Bless America" on a TV program honoring the U.S. Bicentennial.

Emily Jane Brontë ((30 July 1818 – 19 December 1848) was an English novelist and poet, now best remembered for her only novel Wuthering Heights, a classic of English literature. Emily was the second eldest of the three surviving Brontë sisters, between Charlotte and Anne. She published under the androgynous pen name Ellis Bell.

Top of the Pops, also known as TOTP, was a British music chart television programme, made by the BBC and originally broadcast weekly from 1 January 1964 to 30 July 2006. It was traditionally shown every Thursday evening on BBC1, before being moved to Fridays in 1996, and then moved to Sundays on BBC Two in 2005. Each weekly programme consisted of performances from some of that week's best-selling popular music artists, with a rundown of that week's singles chart. Additionally, every year there was a special edition of the programme on Christmas Day featuring some of the best-selling singles of the year.

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BIRTHDAYS:

George "Buddy" Guy (born July 30, 1936) is a five-time Grammy Award-winning American blues and rock guitarist and singer. Known as an inspiration to Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and many other guitarists, Guy is considered an important exponent of Chicago blues. He is the father of female rapper Shawnna and also has a son, Michael. He is the older brother of blues guitarist Phil Guy. Guy is known for his showmanship, playing his guitar with drumsticks, or strolling into the audience while playing solos. He was ranked thirtieth in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the "100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time".

Paul Albert Anka, OC (born July 30, 1941 in Ottawa, Ontario) is a Canadian singer, songwriter, and actor of Lebanese origin. He became a naturalized US citizen in 1990. Anka first became famous as a teen idol in the late 1950s and 1960s with hits songs like "Diana'", "Lonely Boy", and "Put Your Head on My Shoulder". He went on to write such well known music as the theme for The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and Tom Jones biggest hit "She's A Lady", and the English lyrics for Frank Sinatra's signature song "My Way".

DEATHS: Samuel Cornelius Phillips (January 5, 1923 – July 30, 2003), better known as Sam Phillips, was an American record producer who played an important role in the emergence of rock and roll as the major form of popular music in the 1950s. He is most notably attributed with the discovery of Elvis Presley, and is associated with several other noteworthy rhythm and blues and rock and roll stars of the period.

Take care and God Bless xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Location: Kitchener,Ont. [coolest July in 17 years]

Subject: My 2 cents

CHARLIE Y: John Mellencamp has cut down on his smoking from a 6-pack-a-day habit to 3 packs a day.[last I heard].When will he learn smoking kills. Look at Patrick Swayze? He was caught [which was on TV] smoking while doing chemo. They always learn too late.

Cya soon with trivia. xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Seeger and Baez

Thought this interesting that came in my e-mail

Seeger, Baez, contemporary acts play anniversary show at Newport folk festival

By Eric Tucker, The Associated Press

PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island - Joan Baez was just 18 when she performed at the first Newport Folk Festival, a self-described neurotic and high-maintenance teenager who remembers trembling in her sandals as she waited her turn on stage.

She sang in her signature soprano that night, and her career quickly took off; she released an album on a major record label, landed on Time magazine's cover and made repeat appearances at the festival alongside on-off romantic partner Bob Dylan.

"I didn't faint; I sang, and that was the beginning of a very long career," Baez says about her 1959 festival appearance. "It's all very extraordinary that my career has been going on all that long time and so has Newport."

Baez returns to Newport this weekend as the heralded festival marks its 50th anniversary. She shares the bill with 90-year-old Pete Seeger, another of the festival's original performers and a towering folk icon, as well as Arlo Guthrie, Judy Collins and more contemporary acts.

The half-century milestone lends an air of nostalgia to an event that not only helped pioneer the concept of grand-scale outdoor concerts but has also been inexorably linked to fierce social activism - especially in its early years.

"The Newport Folk Festival has always sort of been the standard bearer of early music festivals," says New York rock radio personality Dennis Elsas. "If you say, 'and they played the Newport Folk Festival,' it resonates a certain time. It resonates the time of Pete Seeger, Joan Baez and Bob Dylan."

The microphone was often a platform for promoting civil rights - and protesting war.

In 1963, Peter, Paul and Mary, Seeger, Baez, the Freedom Singers and other performers clutched hands and belted out the civil rights anthem "We Shall Overcome." That same year, his first at Newport, Dylan performed "Only a Pawn in Their Game," which recounts the assassination of civil rights activist Medgar Evers. And Baez joined audience members and representatives of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee on a civil rights march through Newport.

"I think it showed that songs can be an important thing in democracy," says Seeger, who will close out both nights of this year's festival with a singalong. "If we call this a democratic country, how do you make it a democratic country? And songs are among the ways it's made."

The folk festival was started in Newport by music impresario George Wein as an offshoot to his jazz festival, which began in 1954 and celebrates its 55th anniversary in August.

"There was a utopian feeling there," says Wein, 83, who continues to operate both festivals. "All the artists got $50, no matter how big or how small they were. And the money was used to just go out and find folk performers and bring them up the next year."

Baez had been making the coffeehouse and folk club circuit in the late 1950s when she caught the attention of folk singer Bob Gibson, who invited her to appear alongside him at the first Newport festival.

The pair sang "We Are Crossing Jordan River" and "Virgin Mary Had One Son." The audience of thousands was the largest Baez had ever seen, and she was hardly the self-assured performer she may have seemed.

"Looking back, I barely know that child who stepped onto that stage," Baez says. "That child who was up on the stage was 18 years old and had a high, high soprano and was as neurotic as anybody could possible be - and was high, high maintenance."

The festival did more than advance her career. Guthrie introduced his epic "Alice's Restaurant" to a mass audience in 1967. James Taylor played there in 1969 at age 21 and Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison were there before becoming household names.

Then, of course, there's Dylan.

He was 22 at his first Newport performance in 1963 and easily solidified his role in the folk canon, bellowing out topical solo ballads with his guitar and harmonica.

He famously turned the genre upside down in 1965 when he performed with an electric guitar.

"I was so mad myself, I said, 'Damn it, if I had an axe, I'd cut the cable,"' Seeger recalls.

Baez says she felt betrayed, though the sentiment passed.

And Wein recalls coaxing Dylan to return to the stage - unplugged - to assuage the crowd.

"I said, 'There'll be a riot out there, Bobby, if you don't go back.' He said, 'I don't have a guitar.' And I said, 'Does anyone have a guitar for Dylan?' Of course, 20 guitars went up in the air."

The festival dwindled in popularity in the late 1960s as interest in rock music peaked, Wein says. Rowdy fans crashed the gates at the 1971 jazz festival, and Wein temporarily relocated the event to New York. The Newport City Council voted that same year against a folk festival, which wouldn't return to the city until 1985.

Baez and Seeger have performed on and off at Newport over the years, and Dylan returned in 2002.

Festival organizers contemplated making the 50th anniversary into a reunion show but decided contemporary acts, including the Decemberists, Neko Case and Iron&Wine, should be included too, says co-producer Jay Sweet, explaining: "If you don't continually replenish with the newer voices that will then become their generation's voices, if you don't do that, there's going to be a gap there."

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

abby

CHARLIE - Glad to hear you enjoyed Mellencamp's part in the show. I don't care what anybody says, he's the hardest workin' Hoosier in show business. The professor across the hall (at work)has a home (and a husband) who lives in Bloomington. She says Mellencamp's a nice enough guy, but can scare the dickens out of you when he's ridin that motorcycle - but always smiles and waves as he passes you on the two-lane roads. How much you wanna bet he doesn't wear a helmet?


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Posted by:

Ari

I tried going out to Stratford. Didn't make it and then I went to the village the next day and got a bootleg with the 13 takes of We Can Talk. It's interesting to see it's progression as a song except they seem pretty clear on their respective parts even on the first track. It also had another take of Ruben Remus with Rick singing harmony. It detracts from Richard's vocals and kind of stagnates the song.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Entourage. Ari Gold is my saviour!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: TV

Also the last season of Monk.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

For me the best show is starting its third season August 16th - MadMen.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: hold the garlic

The Globe's John Doyle - unusually - has it wrong. The second best thing on TV right now is _True Blood_. The best thing is the opening credit sequence for _True Blood_.

Bill M: If s & u don't work, revert to aggrieved hostility: "Why are you always bugging me?"


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Posted by:

Steve

No comment!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: sullen and uncommunicative

Jan F: As sadavid and Steve should remember from their own youts, the sullen and uncommunicative stance was invented precisely to ward off parental questioning. In the event that Mom and Dad caught Brewer and Shipley on Lawrence Welk and wonder what 'toke' means, your only hope is that they'll think better of asking you because you're so difficult to talk to.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The House of Lords judgement reinstating Matthew Fisher's lawsuit to get a share of A Whiter Shade of Pale.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Web: My link

Subject: Oldies Radio

Had to run out for lunch again today. No, I don't get out much. Heard this on the syndicated oldies station. Seemed appropriate.

ONE TOKE OVER THE LINE

Brewer & Shipley

One toke over the line sweet Jesus

One toke over the line

Sittin' downtown in a railway station

One toke over the line

". . . the song was performed on The Lawrence Welk Show, a television program known for its conservative, family-oriented

bent. . . . “

see link above for reference & more info.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill totalitarian capitalism works but labels don't really fit anyone anymore. I think China is probably as communist as the US is capitalist. Actually the PBS program kept referring to the two countries as Chiamerica, they're so interdependent at this point.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Foreigner

LINK: News on this great group. "I Want To Know What Love Is" is one of my faves.

More trivia to come.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE XOXOXO


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Posted by:

Steve

That's how I would describe it as well, when you realize that this whole world economy really is a juggling act and every so often someone adds another ball, the hands have to move faster and you know it's only a matter of time before another ball gets thrown in. Argentina is a good example of how fast ( weeks) that a country can start into a downward death spiral.

By the way, their remedy when the shit started to hit the fan was to print more money which brought the whole system down. The US started printing more money over a year ago, I think.

My US relatives in Rhode Island tell me that unemployment there is now 12 percent and probably will over 13% when the most recent numbers come out. They say the state has no money and it's only the fed's stimulus money that is keeping the roads and other infrastructure in repair right now. Thank god for the Chinese workers who've been saving their yen.

The program pointed out that a dispute between the US and China will probably bring down the whole world economy at some point. They then listed off all the possible triggers and there are many. They also reminded the viewers that these huge crashes happen once the people in charge are young enough not to have lived through the last collapse. That time is already here.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: truth in advertising

Steve: The name of the ruling party aside, what is communist about China? How about 'totalitarian capitalism'?


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Steve, Re: PBS program, The Ascent Of Money - Mr. Steve watched it a few weeks ago and said it was one of the scariest programs he had ever seen.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: Scotty was also Canuckistani - from Sarnia in our guys' old stomping grounds. I guess that means the accent was fake! I wonder if Tim Horton's much-ballyhooed (up here) invasion of Manhattan included a "RRRRoll up the RRRRim to win" contest?

Does anyone else remember the "Star Drek" bit that Dr Demento used to play?


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Posted by:

Steve

In a follow up to our discussion yesterday as to what makes a communist vs a socialist state, maybe we should decide what you'd label a capitalist country that depends on a communist state to be its banker. China , which has a per ca pita income of $2,000 is propping up the life style of Americans who have an average income of $42,000. Hope no one tells the Chinese workers.

The PBS program we watched last night , The Ascent Of Money, did a segment on the lending of money and the decision to turn the American middle class, excluding blacks, into property owners starting in the 40's.

It also covered the Savings and Loan rip off in the 80's. What a deal that was. If you want an example of the moneyed class getting to stick their hands into taxpayers pockets and take what they want look no further. Reagan, the man who hated taxes and regulation, cut the lending laws and backed all S and L loans with the taxpayers wallet. In brief; The S and L's were able to give large depositors a really high interest return on their money that they knew was unsustainable ( the US treasury was holding the bag). The S and L's then took the money from depositors and started buying up land, lending developers money to buy the property ( from the S&L's) and to build on it. In the end it cost the US treasury 112 billion when it finally crashed as everyone involved knew it would. Sound familiar? Texas was the hole where most of the money went. Those hard working rich bastards, gotta respect their ambition. ( There's gotta be a haiku in there)

But I digress. The info that sticks after watching the program is that if you're in the money lending business and you want to be paid back lend it to women.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hordes of the Things

Just yesterday, someone was talking about The Beatles attempt to get rights to Lord of The Rings in the late 60s. Among themselves they had cast it. Paul as Frodo, Ringo as Sam, George as Gandalf and John as Gollum. That’s so right.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: To boldly go …

Don’t know about the Star Trek casting. I think you’d put either Rick or Robbie in the “romantic lead” position. Kirk gets all the interesting clinches, and objectively (i.e. to most people), back in the day, they were the two conventionally best-looking ones.

Both Shatner and Nimoy were heavily criticized for their singing. Kirk was the “leader” but Spock was cooler and more intellectual. Robbie would groove well into the Spock part. Rick as the dashing hero plunging into alien planets without a second thought.

Scotty … strong different accent to the rest of the crew, which suggests Levon. But technical genius suggests Garth (the warp drive on the Lowry’s gone, Captain, we’ll have to busk Chest Fever on my old accordion). Then again, Levon should be the engine room of the enterprise, holding it all together. So Levon.

That puts Garth back as Dr McCoy, and Richard as Chekhov … doesn’t get seen that much in the pictures.

Uhuru? No one. Albert Grossman as various aliens.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Bob and John and Willie and The Wiyos

One of the many highlights of what was billed as "The Bob Dylan Show" at Harbor Park (home of the Norfolk Tides minor league baseball team) here in Old Virginny last Saturday evening was Willie Nelson singing the late Steve Goodman's classic "City of New Orleans." Thanks to Serenity's recent post here, I realized that Saturday was actually what would have been Mr. Goodman's birthday.

Anyway, despite standing for five straight hours to maintain what amounted to tenth row center sightlines of the stage--not to mention GREAT sound--I had a wonderful time at the show, finally seeing Dylan up close. It was my seventh time seeing him since the first time on the 1974 tour with The Band, and--to quote my daughter--"I didn't think his voice sounded that bad." I think each of the seven shows have enabled me to get a bit closer to the stage, so I may have to "retire" from Dylan shows now.

Opening act, The Wiyos have added a country-swing element with their new steel guitar guy, who is also an excellent singer. They are all that is exciting about the "Americana" label and the crowd displayed lots of appreciation (and several were heard to ask, "who ARE these guys?") even though The Wiyos went on for just a half hour at 5:30 PM precisely, just as Willie Nelson began his one hour set precisely at 6:10 and ended at 7:10. General Bob kept his troops in line.

Mr. Mellencamp was as amazing as ever, not slowing down nor stopping smoking despite his heart attack from a few years back. His set was easily the most energized of the evening, and it was REALLY nice to be that close to the action. He slowed things down at one point when he played a moving new song about dreams and was clearly appreciative of the great crowd response afterward. The crowd had a lot to be appreciative about all evening.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Steve: I lined up Garth with Dr. McCoy because he was older than the other guys and "folksy." In any case, Garth's music is good for what ails ya.


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Posted by:

Pat

Web: My link

Hard to think how this could happen.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, I actually saw it on youtube, linked from a political site. To be honest, I rarely watch news on TV, unless you consider Bill Maher news--which isn't inaccurate.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat - that is too funny and sad. What I do find funny, not so much in a ha ha way, is that so many liberal minded poeple pay attention to FOX, and me, a moderate conservative, watches MSNBC for the majority of his news.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The price of gas in the US

Steve - Our price of gas is, theoretically, a competitive number, but we really only get any meaningful price variance from state to state. Rarely, if ever, do prices here vary locally amongst competing stations. Whether or not there's a formal collusion to hold a single price (except by a few pennies only) that's how it ends up and it's hard to believe that a state controlled price would not be of benefit to consumers here - even if it's a higher price to help us get off the stuff.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Freezing Norwegian

By typing zeroes and ones

Bathes the Band with light


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Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, today on a map, Fox put Egypt between Israel and Iran. And as another family values politician resigns in disgrace...

In the summer heat

Neocons dropping their pants

Faithful wives be damned


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Charlie Y - then it must be the same illegals over at MSNBC that do the same thing. And I watch that channel far more than any other news outlet.


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Posted by:

Steve

Charlie, McCoy was too mouthy to be Garth, I'd flip Garth to the minimalist speaker, Spock, position.


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Posted by:

Steve

JQ, and gasoline of course which here never varies from station to station. If it's 98.4 cents a liter at one station it's going to be 98.4 everywhere in the area. Curious.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Summer Rerun

Since Shatner was born in Montreal and The Band is 80% Canadian, I reprise my Star Trek and Band analogy from years ago:

Captain Kirk = Levon

Mr. Spock = Robbie

Scotty = Rick

Chekov = Richard

Dr. McCoy = Garth

Actually, I'm not so sure this is correct, but feel free to argue.

By the way: it really is hilarious to hear older people who use Medicare or Medicaid attack the Democrats for wanting to bring "socialized medicine" to the US. Sort of like the typos I invariably see on Fox News whenever I tune in for five minutes. I suspect they are using illegals to proofread their on-screen text. Probably not Canadians, though.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Commie bastards

Bill M - I think the way we normally handle utilities (gas, water & electricity) in America: 1 vendor, deeply regulated, no competition & modest profits, seems to be approaching socialism, albeit lite, too. Or it could be just an effective hybrid of economic systems. And the end user here normally gets a decent value, terrific availability & adequate service.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Just checked the “What’s New” section of this site. Odd that information first made public by Sebastian in this Guestbook is presented as new information in the What’s New” section months later! A bit like a newspaper taking a headline from old letters to the editor…Small quibble as I am happy to see the team back from vacation and the section updated………Slowhand Digest will be addressing Japanese poetry and universal health care in about a month’s time - so stay tuned for the headlines! Just kidding, ,as some of the discussion on the health care debate was great – especially that excerpt from the John Stewart show….how badly has real journalism fallen when a comedian is consistently able to reveal the truth where others can not or will not.

I was at a party a few nights ago where Beck’s Non Alcoholic beer was served. Without a doubt the best of that type I‘ve ever tasted. Thankfully, the music and guests at the shindig were of a more dangerous flavour!!......Non Alcholic beer, e-cigarettes and condoms…….geez…wish I had come of age 30 years earlier and had a chance to enjoy less stressful times!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Thank you Jerry. I'll say two things: 1) Shatner is a much better teleprompt reader than is the MSNBC guy; and 2) I couldn't help but think of Carlin's Hippie Dippy Weatherman when His Shatship got to the bit about the cold weather a few months ago and also a few months from now. Like, tonight's forecast - dark!


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Posted by:

Jerry

If you didn't catch the Tonight Show last night you really need to (You Tube Shatner does Palin)....


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: High Koo-Koo

dlew: don't be too impressed with my haiku since I "borrowed" the last line from a Capitol Records billboard which went up in Hollywood (I think) for a while on the release of the brown album. It was the front cover photo with a big caption which simply said, "THE BAND Playing THE MUSIC." Note that the caps were Capitol's caps, since record companies were not known for subtle messages back then. A photo of the billboard ran in TV GUIDE at the time, but I have no idea why.

I did, however, follow the haiku rule about mentioning a season in the first line, though, since Levon and Robbie are both men for all seasons.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Meanwhile, back in the box market 'music' ...

Flipping through a crate of albums, what should crawl into my hand (honest!) but an LP I'd totally forgotten I owned, "The Best Of Touch The Earth", TtE having been a long-running CBC radio show hosted by Sylvia Tyson circa '75-'80. All 25 cuts were recorded for/during the show - a 15-year-old Colin Linden, Willie P Bennett, Jean Carignan, David Wiffen, Valdy, David Rea, Figgy Duff, Stan Rogers, Bim, Lisa Garber, Mac Masters (that's for Joe J) ... Nice to see there's also one by the much overlooked Bruce Murdoch, a Montrealer who made something of a splash in NY folk circles in the early '60s - LP on Electra, inclusion on Hootenaney anthologies of the day, another album on ESP (I believe), but then nothing. The TtE notes have him living around Calgary.

Joan: The Murdoch reference reminds me of a couple of books that you, if nobody else, would appreciate - "Poetry of Relevance" and "Poetry of Relevance 2" by Homer Hogan, an EngLit prof at the U of Guelph. They came out in the very early '70s and the first volume were a text in my grade 11 English class. What they, and Hogan's follow-up, "Listen" attempted to do was make traditional poetry approachable by linking certain poems thematically alongside folk songs. Mostly Canuckistani - Cockburn, MacLauchlan, Cohen, Mitchell, JR Robertson, Bruce Murdoch, Buffy Ste Marie, William Hawkins, but others as well. In "Listen", "Life Is A Carnival" is grouped with three 'real' poems about performing in Toronto (mostly on Yonge Street), including one by Doug Fetherling, who later would devote a chapter of a prose book to Robbie Robertson. I have to add that, in one of those incidents that seem too pat to be true, I decided that I would use a Cockburn song, "Bird Without Wings", as the subject of my compulsory stand-up commentary. And that very weekend, what should appear in the 10-cent bin at the nearest Sayvette store but the Three's A Crowd recording of the song. Fortunately the classroom had a record player, and I was saved an awful lot of talking.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Subject: Rolling Stone/Levon

Has anyone else read the article on Levon in the current Rolling Stone? Apologies if this has been discussed while I was in the ATL.

J.F.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The deep

Now on water....

She floats free...

In deep, she sleeps


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Speaking in Hiakus

Well..., that's what I thought Bill

But sometimes you're so deep

It's refreshing

Sadavid, good to hear all the teeth came home and in place. I thought mosh pitting was a thing of the past. I guess not. Thank god for medicare.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 17:21:54 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Just a reference to Brien Sz's compliment re your haiku writing.

Re politico-economic nomenclature, it seems to me that during at least the last 40 years of its existence the USSR was not - for the most part - a communist system. It was a socialist system and a totalitarian one, but those two certainly don't always go together - witness much of Europe much of the time. In fact, the USSR gave communism a bad name. There are people all over the place practicing it sustainably - sometimes ethnic groups leading traditional lifestyles, sometimes religious groups, like the Hutterites in western Canada, who were so so successful that laws were passed to stop them from buying up surrounding farms. (The issue was complicated, but was ultimately based on their success.)

Re right-wing talk show hosts, what I'm waiting to see is a diatribe along the lines of, "What really nauseates me is our sheeplike acceptance of a socialised military. We have allowed a veritable fifth column of wild-eyed tax-funded zealots to send its minions to the capital to push around our chicken-livered politicians and bureaucrats and run our country as they see fit. They use our tax dollars to buy expensive toys that they put in the hands of our impressionable young men and women - and send them off to do their bidding some god-forsaken hellhole that we don't even care to find on a map. And why should every single person in this country, which was founded as we well know on the principles of democracy and personal responsibility, receive exactly the same amount of military coverage as everyone else, even if they paid a hundred or a thousand times more in taxes. That is socialism. That is communism. That is not what this country was built on. And that must stop."


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: dental not covered

Steve: the heirs were perhaps slightly less sullen and uncommunicative, post-'concert,' but "valuable info?" - no.

I was just relieved to know they hadn't lost any teeth.


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Posted by:

abby

Not only did it bring a chuckle, but a peace pipe of sort.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sadavid, I think the music is really considered part of the torture at Gimo since it is not always used in conjunction with interrogation. It's a small point but an important one. Remember the US military's use of "music" when they were trying to flush out their former cock of the walk in Panama.

Were you able to get any valuable info out of your heirs after the Metallica\Slayer concert?

Abby, nice combo of a GB participant, Band music and yesterday's GB hot topic, but I think it'll be hard to beat Peter's haiku that ended with stuff you gotta watch. That was a chuckler.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: trial by limewire

dlew919: thanks for the 'music mags' link. I found this link within the article - on the use of 'music' by 'interrogators' at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere - to be even more interesting. As one whose heirs are still boasting about their 'VIP' passes to a recent Metallica / Slayer 'concert' (I take it the extra $$ bought them a greatly enhanced risk of random injury in the 'mosh pit'), I have more than a little sympathy.


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: beauty of haiku (w/o paragraphs)

King Harvest has surely come // Ouch! Pitchfork pierces foot - no problem // Farmer Steve is covered


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: New Apple format

Interesting note on that one. I wonder if they'll issue full file quality. I noticed in the car that CDs sound noticeably better than my iPod through the same system (dedicated iPod input is built in). All my iPod files are Apple Lossless (not full WAV files, but certainly way bigger than MP3s). I tried it on the same track taken from the same album. A friend said it was probably that the CD player has a better D/A converter, rather than file size. But I wouldn't want to buy another scaled down format. Also, will you physically get an object? If it's all downloads then if you lose it, or it breaks, your sound library goes with it.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: This is a little bit much fun (for me, if not for you)

Richmond, Spring, May 10

Tracks ripped up, Caine's brother dead

Drive Old Dixie Down


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: revised haiku....

Carnival in Spring

'King Harvest' is surely come

Listen: Wind on Rice



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Posted by:

Peter V

In the interests of being equal …

Winter in the barn

Relentless boogie playing

Stuff you gotta watch


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Posted by:

Peter V

Summer triangle

Bird with a broken wing falls

The snake by the lake


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Haiku

I don't want to be the one to bring down the rules on anyone's haiku but there is supposed to be a reference to a season in the first line. I figured that out after I read Brien's and then checked the rules.

Bill, my family would be proud? What was that about? I never figured it out.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Haiku - though Charlie Y's, in particular, is probably not worth trying to top (being so good)

Pulled into Naz'reth

Feeling about half past dead

A load's off Fanny ...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rod, Peter - no worries...

We don't get many music mags here - I'll get Mojo, or Classic Rock (!), and occasionally RS - they're mostly British or US: the trouble with that of course, is that advertised gigs, for example, are useless to me. Much as I'd like to visit the Reading Roxy, its not happening in the short term...

There are a few Oz mags - RS does an Australian versioin (which is like Rolling Stone US, except nowhere near as good). the free magazines are generally pretty ok - in so far as you get what you pay for!.

I'm glad you enjoyed it Rod - hope others do too!


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Posted by:

Peter V

It's hard to tell how magazines are doing except from the number of newsagents selling them. I'd guesstimate that WORD and UNCUT are doing better than MOJO in the UK, I might be totally wrong but i see them more. Maybe Mojo has more on subscription than the others. Both WORD and UNCUT are broader based moving into film or books somewhat. RECORD COLLECTOR seems to be more and more easily available (perhaps because it gets better and better). CLASSIC ROCK is widely around. In the UK, only better newsagents sell ROLLING STONE, but that's now getting a rare sight.

I buy most of the music mags (not CLASSIC ROCK or Q though).


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: music mags

dlew919 - thanks for the interesting link. I stopped buying music mags when sites like this one started appearing. You can find out more about most things for free on the net than you can find in magazines.


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Posted by:

Peter V

On a lighter level, comparisons between medical system rarely mention décor. My son had a minor op in the USA, and I was interested to see that the hospital had exactly the same “paintings” and even wallpaper as the main private hospital chain in the UK. Same colour floors, same colour dado strip. There is a style, “four star hotel bland” (beige, dull light greens, dusty dull pinks) that pervades. The menus appeared identical.

What was much nicer in the USA was helpful volunteer retired people giving out information with time to chat. In British hospitals volunteers serve tea and newspapers, but in that one US hospital at least they’d been given a more useful and interesting role.

Another comparison is the US surgeon talking to you in scrubs. In the UK, you always wait until the surgeon has changed into the obligatory blue pinstripe suit with necktie. A report found that surgeons’ neckties were seething with MRSA bugs, as were their suits, but the tradition that authority is vested only in a dark blue suit seems unshakeable in the UK. The report suggested that surgeons wearing scrubs outside theatres too would cut down hospital infections considerably.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Babies

LINK: This is an unbelievable video from youtube,com. Enjoy!!

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Wed Jul 29 06:32:28 CEST 2009 from mail.weasydney.nsw.edu.au (218.185.65.57)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Why Music Magazines are dying...

INteresting...


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Tracy R.

LINK: Elvis singing "Happy Birthday" to our old friend Tracy, wherever you are?

Take care God Bless xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Lars

You mean, "Give me liberty or give me death?"


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Posted by:

Friend0

Bill, you have ignored Pat's famous declaration.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Haiku

Levon and Robbie,

With Garth and Richard and Rick;

The Band Played The Music.


Entered at Wed Jul 29 00:38:46 CEST 2009 from 21cust1.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.1)

Posted by:

Steve

Brien, I'll just make this quick. Here you have a card like a charge card. You walk into the doctor's office. The secretary swipes your card. That's it, that's all. No forms to fill out for insurance companies. No calls to the insurance company by the doctor or secretary to see what they'll cover. Nothing.

As far as medication goes you have to pay the first 100 bucks yourself each month then the gov't reimburses you anything above that.

The interesting part is that our gov't spends less per ca pita for full coverage on health care than your gov't does on the portion of the population it covers.

Single payer, all doctors in the same system is the simplest and cheapest way to go.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Health Insurance

At the moment, I don't have the energy to write out my "dance" with major med during my last 2 surgeries. I will try later. We were paying $1800 a month for 2 of us with Blue Cross. They felt brain surgery was only worth $4000. I am one person who is thrilled with Medicare. Monthly cost is less than 1/2 (and so is the aggravation level)


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:44:54 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

I gotta figure jtullfan is gnashing his teeth somewhere in the Old Dominion as we type.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Republicans are afraid to go on Maher's show. And when one does--David Frum, Joe Scarborough for instance--they tend to become quite moderate. Others, like PJ O'Roarke, seem like drunk frat boys.

Brien, I agree about the Dem's focus problems, but I think they are endemic to a party that represents a far larger share of the country. Yet the Dems who oppose HC reform--the Blue Dogs as they are called--receive huge political contributions from Big Med and Big Pharma. As a wag once said, money doesn't talk, it swears.

sadavid, here's one definition of socialism: "Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy." Cheney was certainly responsible for distributing goods and controlling their production by directing massive government spending--deficit spending I might add--to the companies he ran and in which he still owned interest. However, I see your point too.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:22:57 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Steve - well if it's that easy.., then you should know by now that just won't work here.., it has to convoluted and difficult. Seamless and easy isn't in the vocabulary in US projects.

The perception of Socialism and communism back in the 70's and 80's was that they were essentially the same - and as I said before, valid or not - it was a general perception. Have we been brainwashed - no doubt but who hasn't when it comes to varying agendas.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:12:41 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The legacy of McCarthyism is astonishing. Most of you guys have been to Europe (or Canada) where all the countries have socialized healthcare, surely? I can’t belive Exxon, Tecaco, BushCo and ReaganCo sold you this “socialized medicine bad” mantra to such an absurd degree. It’s called “brainwashing.” Um, it's apparent to the rest of the world that these guys are pursuing a vested interest. I think i'll go read Richard Condon for some conspiracy theory therapy.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 23:07:22 CEST 2009 from 21cust222.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.222)

Posted by:

Steve

Brien sorry I missed the whole afternoon's sickbay talk. First, I'm wondering why you keep referring to being tied up when it comes to getting a doctor in a gov't run system. it isn't the way it works here. You get a GP to refer you to any specialist you want. Marge and I've both used specialists in Montreal in the last couple of years even though we could have gone to specialists in Sherbrooke which is 70 miles closer. We got the name of the best people available in the field in each case and made appointments to see them. Easy as that.

I think The Ruskies were commies( no vote gulag types) not socialists. Compare yourself to socialist democracies like the ones in Northern Europe if you want a fair comparison.

The nice thing about our system in a case like Deb's it's seamless. Your coverage has nothing to do with your job. You leave and you're still covered.

One stat that seems to point to our system having some advantage over the US is the life expectancy difference. It's probably because women get better pre natal care and the survival rate of babies is higher. Problems are found earlier in pregnancy since everyone gets pre natal care.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 22:54:47 CEST 2009 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.198)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: read the label

Pat B: I'm no Poli Sci guy, but I think Cheney (et al.) would be an example of totalitarian capitalism, not socialism. I guess socialist regimes tend to totalitarianism, or maybe that's just the way we North Americans are conditioned to think about them (somewhat the way Brien - I think it was Brien - misconstrued the demise of the USSR as proof that socialism is bad). I think of the Cheney way as 'government for the person, by the person' - the 'people' are just means to an end.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 22:52:32 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat - I was watching Bill Maher the other night and one of his guests (liberal - they all were) pointed out that when the Republicans are in power, they have goals and agendas (right or wrong) and pass legislation into laws. When the Democrats are in power they can't seem to get on board on any subject and wind up haggling themselves out of any significant policy change. Again, this administration could pass the universal health care, yet they can't get enough of their own party votes to make it so.

Just a quick aside - I am someone who doesn't not like liberal views - I tend to think a good amount of the ideas are just fine. My beef comes in paying for it. Where does the money come from? Who is going to pay for it? How is it going to be paid and who will be affected by it - this generation or the next - I hate passing the burden to the next round. With a deficit higher than it has ever been - which why when Republicans run a high deficit Dems come screaming about it - but when a Dem is in office, we'll just brush it under the rug - money knows know political color - it's just green.., why are we looking to spend more money? I sit on the board of two organizations and am the President of one. 3/4 of our issues are money based. Every plan or idea that comes forward are full of good intentions by well meaning people, commitees, etc.., the issue at hand is always - where is the money coming from - how do we pay for it. Believe me when I tell you I'd love to green light a multitude of projects, but I can't. I have to weigh what is wanted and needed - look for where things can be cut or added to produce more revenue to fund projects. It's a tough situation and maybe because I'm frugal by nature, I scan through every dime but there's also a reason why I've run a show for 5 years because I'm productive, fair minded, pragmatic and sometimes a straight ahead prick but I've never put any organization in financial straights or close to it..., just won't. I try to keep the present in check, have funds for the future and always enough stashed to take care of emergency situations.., because a year never goes by without some kind of out of the blue expense rearing its head. So if you want to know why I harp on certain viewpoints, it comes from this basic fiscal philosophy.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 22:28:33 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: There seems to be a typo about 2/3 of the way through your first line. I think you meant to type 'ignore' rather than 'forget'. I'd've added adjectives - like 'wilfully' and perhaps 'cynically' - but, hey, that's just me.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 22:28:00 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, it's kind of funny that we've been brainwashed into thinking that socialism is evil when the intersection of the government, energy, and defense contracting is the epitome of socialism. Dick Cheney is at his core a socialist. There was no difference between him running Halliburton and being VP.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 22:23:37 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

When a Republican says that government health care will increase costs, he/she seems to forget a rather salient point: since Clinton tried to reform health care in 1992, the costs have tripled with no sign of stopping.

Isn't it odd that the last two Democratic presidents have both tried to address the two biggest problems we face--Carter and energy, Clinton and health care--and thanks to Republican intellectual absurdity and simple Friedmanesque greed, both remain our biggest problems. And "free" markets are still being manipulated to line the pockets of the few.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:58:54 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter - are you saying lawyers can't sue the healthcare system? Here, a citizen cannot sue the federal government but you can file a Claim of Damage, when that is rejected it is a whole other ball of wax. So if a government based healthcare system can't be sued.., well that would be good and bad. Good in that lawyers wouldn't be able to nit pick and ambulance chase every condition possible - Bad, who would keep the checks on the government when bad medicine is given or abused, mishandled and all that?


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:53:26 CEST 2009 from gpf-t199.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.199)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: undriving the stake

"The major music . . . labels are attempting to revive the multi-track album format with new software that packages songs, traditional album liner notes, music videos, and other interactive extras as part of a premium-priced package."


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:48:10 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The government will undoubtedly screw up processes and deem ridiculous levels of bureaucracy necessary, but at the end of the day, employing tens of thousands of bureaucrats, who get paid modestly, then pay taxes, is more socially desirable than paying a handful of ambulance-chasing lawyers millions. Only by having government control, can you eliminate the parasites (lawyers) from the healthcare system.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 21:43:31 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Jan, sorry to hear about your sister's health problems. Hope she's better soon. I look forward to seeing the Sprayberry's photos. Was there live music? ;o)

I agree, I don't know why the concept of "socialized medicine" is such a bogey-man for so many people. Several of my family members, myself included have problems that stem from autoimmune issues. My symptoms require several daily pills and a weekly injection, none of which are cheap. It took six months to convince the insurance company on my last job to copay the injections. They did it, but almost immediately my job situation became increasingly unpleasant. When I changed jobs, my new insurance provided a reasonable copay without batting an eye -- after a nine month waiting period since it was a preexisting condition. I'd have been happy to see the government jump into that one. If I could go nine months without treatment with no ill effects, I wouldn't need the injections at all.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:56:33 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: today . . . I'm not sure

Re: Peter's post: Our local NHS (National Health Service) doctors operate a triage system, so that you have to go through a telephone check before anyone will see you on the same day basis, and then it’ll probably be a junior doctor in training, not a partner. Though they’ll bring a senior doctor in if they feel it needs one. I mentioned that triage was a battlefield term separating casualties into “going to die anyway” from “attend to”. No one laughed. I could see a doctor today for a simple med or emergency issue. I might wait two weeks to see a partner of choice for a more general consultation. Night calls would now be given over to a Deputizing Service.

Uhh. . . that's pretty much the way it works here in the US. Not sure what all the fuss is about with "socialized medicine." I'm assuming the scary part is having our (long ago) broken government manage the health care, not only in the "field" but the complicated payor sytem that it would involve.

I was in Atlanta the last few days to see RJ off to Japan. He got there safely, but while I was there, my older sister fell and cracked a bone in her hip. She is in a small hospital south of ATL and they were preparing to send her to a rehab hospital for further treatment/physical therapy, etc. During a followup x-ray before she was moved, the x-ray technician reinjured her. He was unhappy that the test was ordered late in the day and he didn't get off work on time (he told her that!). Now she can't go to the rehab hospital. She will have to go to a nursing home for a while.

Mr. Steve got Elec Dirt while I was away. Have not had time to listen to all of it yet.

Deb, I took some pictures of Sprayberry's BarBQ in downtown Newnan yesterday . . . . ;-) J.F.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:55:08 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

NB: Holy shit - bio says he's still with Vicky, which has been the case since, oh, '71! (Assuming it's the same Vicky, and not another of those I'm Henery The Eight I Am scenarios.)

Which reminds me of showbands, as per Peter V's post yesterday. The biggest of them around here were the Irish Rovers (the most Irish and least showy) and the Carlton Showband, who had a huge local hit with "We're Off To Dublin In The Green" (aka "The Merry Pluffboy" or something like that). The former were all Irish-born but'd been in Toronto since the late '50s and early '60s. Leader Will Millar's autobiog tells of playing solo in folk clubs across the country, following people like Joni Anderson and David Wiffen. And, of all things, calypso on Yonge Street. The Carlton Showband was mostly Irish but had a couple of Maritimers too. There was also Peter Law and the Pacific, who I think had come from a career back in Ireland too (unlike the others). Aside from TV, the closest I've come to such a group was maybe 12 years ago in a small hotel in Tenby, Wales. As Peter suggests, those guys could play - and play anything.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:33:40 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Part of the reason that anything that smacks of "socialism" is anathema here is that the government spent over 50 years convincing us that socialism is evil and then when the Soviet system went into the toilet, all our propoganda was proved right. Now in this country, socialism was tied hand in hand with communism, regardless of whether that was valid or not. Now 20 years later, we are to believe that our initial assumptions were wrong - in premise.

Peter makes some very good points. And one that came out was the whole "junior" doctor. I don't know how well that would play here. Some folks might not care but I can bet there's a host of people who don't want to believe that their condition is to be treated by the secondary player, no matter how trivial. It will be interesting to see how this plays out...., it is quite obvious that some change needs to occur and especially for the poor. Yet when 84% of Americans have some form of health coverage, it is a lot to ask them to now foot the bill for something many of them don't need -especially in the middle of an economic crisis.

and where is all this extra revenue coming from - Just how much can one pull from the rich? Obama proposes a tax on those making a combined income of 280K plus to fork over up to 56%-58% of their pay in taxes. Now a 60-40 split isn't fair in any regard.., sorry.., exactly what incentive is their then to want to better yourself to that plateau if you then know you are going to get screwed for close 60% of your pay?

I would think it would benefit both parties to work out a plan that addresses the needs of the 16% that could use some sort of plan at a cost a whole lot less than what is now being bandied about.

I actually heard a tax that would raise a considerable yearly sum. It's an odd sin tax but when you think about it, it truly is taxing a product that has no health benefit what-so-ever. A 3cent tax on every can of soda, with a possible 5cent tax on every bottle. Now that would generate a lot of money - I believe the figure was 24 billion over 3 years on the can tax alone - I can't recall off the top of my head.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:28:34 CEST 2009 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.124)

Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M./ More on Gunner

Yes, an exceptionally nice guy as you say. Blessed with athletic ability. Cursed with small stature. (Smaller than Mike Weir, I'd say). I knew him fairly well through the golf. Furthest thing from a private club brat you could find. Was head pro at Port Hope before heading up to Ottawa. NB


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:30:13 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

Well, Bill M, first line was the Ashokan Reservoir near Woodstock, the second was almost a line from Richard's "In A Station", and the third is an oblique reference to Richard not being here anymore.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 20:07:54 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Is the first line of your haiku a reference to Bob Dylan's sandbag perch? is the last line a reference to the famous Richard Manuel song?; is the middle line a misapprehension of the Hollies song, "All I Need Is the Hair That I Breathe"?

NB: I had no idea! Graham G, who was always an exceptionally nice guy, is another of those people I went to school with all the way from grade 1 to grade 12. My one dinner at his place, when I was 10 or 11 I guess, was quite exotic by my standards: his mother was a walking talking Scot, strong accent and all, and she served soup before the main course - something I wouldn't experience again until I was way into adulthood.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 19:48:30 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Medical politics

A doctor who is a friend has lectured in the USA and has been asked to re-locate there several times. He said that the amount American specialists pay in liability insurance is mind-boggling, so that he would have to charge almost triple to go home with the same amount. He said the money doesn’t go to medical care, but to insurance companies and in the end to lawyers.

Our local NHS (National Health Service) doctors operate a triage system, so that you have to go through a telephone check before anyone will see you on the same day basis, and then it’ll probably be a junior doctor in training, not a partner. Though they’ll bring a senior doctor in if they feel it needs one. I mentioned that triage was a battlefield term separating casualties into “going to die anyway” from “attend to”. No one laughed. I could see a doctortoday for a simple med or emergency issue. I might wait two weeks to see a partner of choice for a more general consultation. Night calls would now be given over to a Deputizing Service.

Every European country has socialized medicine. I don’t think any party has been “against” it since the 1950s. I know from relatives and friends that France and Germany are better than Britain in health care (but not rock music).

You still have choice in Europe. Many people have top-up private health insurance (vastly cheaper than the USA because it doesn’t deal with emergencies or accidents). You can choose your specialist, you can see someone more quickly, you can go to a private hospital if you have top-up insurance. But no one fails to get treated because they’re poor, and no one gets beggared by medical bills. I believe the USA is the only developed nation without a socialized medical system. That is a disgrace.

The NHS is in crisis here. Hospital care from the experiences of two relatives recently has been poor, but that’s got more to do with nurses who feel themselves over-qualified to wash or shave patients, and they are indeed vastly more highly qualified than 30 years ago. But for a lot of the jobs you need empathy, not qualifications.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 19:34:34 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

JQ - at least under the currently flawed system, I can find a new doctor with no strings attached. And I might add, having heard the name Glen Beck, I have never listened/watched him nor would know where to locate him. If he's a Fox guy, good for him, I don't do FOX.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 19:23:56 CEST 2009 from proxy-ny.cbs.com (170.20.11.116)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Music & Politics

In an interview in Sunday's NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE, Arlo Guthrie was asked where he is politically these days. His response? He said he became a registered Republican five or six years ago. I think he's serious. He supported Ron Paul for president, but that's perhaps not as embarassing as Jackson Browne's choice to campaign for John Edwards.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:40:49 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (24.161.40.47)

Posted by:

Lars (Oct 18, 1984)

Location: This is no place to pass out

Subject: Two miles to drag myself with a broken hip

I am in my tree.
I hear a crack and I fall.
I am one with earth.

(Dedicated to my Empire Blue Cross/ Blue Shield)


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:38:09 CEST 2009 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.124)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M./ Mystery Spartan Golfer (musical clues only, of course)

He has the first name as Nash, of CSN and shares his last name with Peter, as in The Theme From Peter_________. Not that you'd need to, but to cheat, simply see link. You still may not recall him, but he went by "Gunner". NB


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:29:23 CEST 2009 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: LEVON,etc.

Buddy Guy, Levon Helm, CSN Brighten Gathering of the Vibes 7/27/09,

The storms that ripped through Seaside Park in Bridgeport, Connecticut, over the weekend flooded parts of the concert field at the Gathering of the Vibes, making things smell as funky as some of the bands playing the four-day festival. But the foul weather didn’t discourage the enlightened spirits of the 20,000 or so gathered for the 14th year of the festival that began as a tribute to the late Jerry Garcia. Gathering of the Vibes has evolved into a dependable stop on the summer festival circuit — a sort of Bonnaroo-lite complete with mind-expanding music and consciousness-expanding chemicals.

Bob Weir, whose Ratdog headlined Saturday, joined Levon Helm for a brassy version of the Dead’s “Tennessee Jed” during Helm’s Cajun-tinged set. The Band’s legendary drummer performed horn-accompanied Band songs — “The Weight,” “Chest Fever,” “Long Black Veil” — and Bob Dylan’s “Simple Twist of Fate” alongside rollicking, traditional swamp blues and Mardi Gras-worthy rock. Weir, sporting an NBA tank top and white beard that was Jerry-thick, dipped into the Dead’s back-catalog for “Bertha,” “Bird Song,” a reggae-infused “Jack Straw,” and “Scarlet Begonias,” for which Weir was joined by former Grateful Dead vocalist Donna Jean Godchaux. Buddy Guy, wearing Pumas, took a break from the heat during his afternoon set to introduce Quinn Sullivan, his prepubescent prodigy, who shredded on Hendrix’s “Voodoo Chile.” His four-foot frame and Family Guy T-shirt were the only reminders Sullivan is a 10-year-old phenom and not a 72-year-old, grizzled blues legend. “I had to cool off,” Guy told the crowd. “But you didn’t miss nuttin’ — he’s a monster.”

Crosby, Stills and Nash closed the Gathering of the Vibes by delivering the most family friendly set of the weekend. CSN opened with Stephen Stills’ hit “Love the One You’re With” and during “Southern Cross,” Stills forgot the second verse, but recovered in time to deliver a welcome guitar solo. More rain — and a tornado warning — made CSN end their set promptly at 7:45.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:14:20 CEST 2009 from (32.177.172.200)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: National health

Brian Sz - Your story isn't even interesting as an anecdote. But your stretch (& moan) to extrapolate from that incident the problem of national health system is downright silly. Get a new doc if you can't wait for goodness sake.

You're in good company with Glen Beck. And you remain a GOP apologist.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 18:05:17 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

William Kristol, neocon absurdist and leader of the fight against health care reform last night on Jon Stewart:

STEWART: Are you saying the American public shouldn’t have access to the same quality health care that we give to our better citizens?

KRISTOL: To our soldiers? Absolutely. {Crowd boos}

Kristol explained that soldiers get paid less, but “one way we make it up to” them is by giving them “first-class health care.” “I feel like you’ve trapped me somehow,” Kristol observed. Indeed, Stewart explained the flaw in Kristol’s logic:

STEWART: I just want to get this on record — Bill Kristol just said that the government can run a first-class health care system.

KRISTOL: Sure it can. {Crowd applauds}

STEWART: And a government-run system is better than a private health care system.

Kristol tried to backtrack, saying he wasn’t sure the military system is “better,” and later argued that other government-run systems aren’t providing the best health care.

Stewart wrapped up Kristol’s argument by stating, “So what you are suggesting is that the government could run the best health care system for Americans, but it’s a little too costly, so we should have the shitty insurance company health care.”

btw, Brien, every doctor I know wants the system reformed, with some dyed in the wool Republicans talking up single payer.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:55:44 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

By the way - i have a condition that requires me to take a pill everyday - yeah me. I recently have had some issues with my meds and they need to be upped. I called my doctor two weeks ago and they can see me next week. So I ask - so I have to feel like shit for the next few weeks before you can see me? her response - "we're booked." So my retort was - so is this my look into what government run medical care is going to look like? - - Thank God, I can find another doctor with the freedom afforded in my current medical plan.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:51:55 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

Subject: SM, I'm with you

The reservoir filled.

Breathing he could taste her hair

As the station dimmed


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:51:13 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat - there are no easy answers. My wife works in insurance and I have a friend who does as well - not including a doctor and several nurses we know. The subtlties of the system are numbing and niether one thinks that the government could possibly do a better job.

My grandfather turns 95 at the end of the week and we try to persuade him to reallocate his money so that if something goes the way of bad and he needs care, he doesn't have to go broke doing so - by the way - he's also a Mason and their policy is that if you give them all your assets they will take better care of you than nearly any other organization will.

I don't know good answers to protect people from pre-exisiting conditions who come into unfortunate circumstances - but how many umbrellas can be created? But depleting ones life savings is not an answer in this day and age. Two steps in the right direction would be some sort of cap on what one can sue a doctor for - this is a very general statement I know, but the cost of frivolous lawsuites, extraordinary payouts in certain cases that would seem to have little merit for such costs has made it tough for doctors to to their job as well as pay for mal-practice insurance. Second - is for people to be responsible for their own conditions. Diabetes is a great example. How many millions of Americans could prevent diabetes by simply eating better and staying in a modicum of shape? No one forces you to eat yourself into a slovenly sweaty mess. Take some responsibility. Maybe the governemnt can provide its own station on Phyiscal Fitness with programs and services available for you to follow in your own home. If individuals took more time on prevention, the medical costs in this country would begin to drop dramatically. But God forbid we ask that...,


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:44:50 CEST 2009 from d216-121-194-179.home3.cgocable.net (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: OOPS

Flock of summer songbirds

Winter winds wound

Three survive,the song forgotten


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:37:14 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, none of that was directed at you personally. I've had too much sickness and death around me recently, and the pathetic standing of American health care in the modern world just pisses me off.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:30:45 CEST 2009 from d216-121-194-179.home3.cgocable.net (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Haiku

Flock of summer songbirds

Winter winds wound

Three survive

The song forgotten


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:28:11 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (69.3.103.77)

Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, as big a problem in America is the underinsured. Well over half of personal bankruptcies happen because of medical crises. Get real sick, watch your entire nest egg disappear and enjoy being in huge debt. Enjoy losing your job and having a precondition that prevents getting coverage again. Get sick again and enjoy more debt.

America is barbaric when dealing with this problem. Right wingers trumpet the respect and love they have for service men and women then reward them with socialized medicine. So is that really as bad as these Republicans say it is? Why would we burden our fighting men and women with inferior medical treatment? Or is the system good? Whatever the answer, hypocrisy abounds.

I've lost two doctors to concierge medicine. To access them you have to pay $2000 a year. Such was their abject frustration with insurance companies. A doctor friend says he spends more time arguing with insurance buffoons about the care he provides for his patients than actually providing that care. Insurance companies as a matter of course delay payments as long as possible to bolster their bottom line and stroke their shareholders. And insurance premiums have driven doctors out of their chosen professions. And has one Republican offered one program in response to this debate. No. Not one. However they have worked on two bills lately: one to demand a birth certificate from anyone running for president, and one to make Obama apologize for using the word "stupidly". Well, as we all know, stupid is as stupid does.

The reservoir filled.

Breathing in he smelled her hair

As the station dimmed


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:23:25 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Yes - your family must be so proud ...


Entered at Tue Jul 28 17:00:19 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Nice one Steve - I like it....,

Link is to one of the many reasons why Universal Health Care in its current form is no good. Don't get me wrong..., I'm for some kind of plan but the President seems to be ram rodding a policy that is very flawed.

A recent poll I read stated that 16% of Americans consider themselves uninsured. Of that 16%, 4% are those making 90K a year or more - I'm sorry but at 90K plus, you should be able to afford a modest plan of some sort. Cut that group out and we are now in the 12%. Some 60% of the 12% are those making less than 36K. Why can't the current admin as well as numb brained Republicans come up with a plan that covers the 12% of the nation that truly could use some plan? Do any of these folks think in real money terms or is simply just numbers. A policy that heads down this direction would surely be much more cost effective for the nation now and in the long term.


Entered at Tue Jul 28 16:51:44 CEST 2009 from 21cust115.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.115)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Taking A shot ,But Don't Know the rules

Sand bag, waters of spring

bank of sand, Dylan sings

watching the river flow


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "Watching The River Flow"

I was listening to Colin James's Linden-produced "Limelight" album yesterday - mostly because I never tire of hearing the magnificent "Far Away Like A Radio" (the Band meets the Atlanta Rhythm Section). James's version of Dylan's "Watching The River Flow" is unexceptional, but it did make me wonder if Dylan had intended it as something of a Band pastiche. As opposed to "When I get off of this mountain, you know where I want to go ...", you have "If I [could get off of this sandbag], you know where I would go ..."


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

A spring wind came down from the Catskills
Summers heat, some musical relief
Music from Big Pink, a sound that fulfills.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Band Haiku

Steve: I laughed out lould at your observation about that post from Diesel. As someone from the old days here who remembers long sustained threads of discussion, it would be nice to see a long string of Band-related haiku poems. Someone would have to post the rules of haiku first. That class was a long time ago for me.

I'll post my observations on the Dylan-Mellencamp-Willie Nelson and The Wiyos show at the ballpark in Norfolk when I have the time and energy. I'm still tired from standing for five hours fifty feet from the front center of the stage, but it was worth it! I'm really grateful for Bob's general admission policy--democracy lives!


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Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Thank Jan F. / Peter Viney's article / Robbie Robertson in UNCUT magazine

Jan, apology accepted :-) Ilka is a female name but Ilkka is definitely a male. On the other hand Jan can be a Janice or a Norwegian male. Just saw an Australian TV serie with a female role figure Steve. Got to live with it in the internet. Hope there is no "ladies" and "gentlemen" by The Pearly Gate someday...

Thanks Peter Viney for the article and especially for defending independent record stores.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but ROBBIE ROBERTSON tells why he loves BUFFY SAINTE-MARIE in Uncut magazine. There is a small passport photo, too.


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Posted by:

Steve

Diesel, we'll need someone who cab count syllables to verify it but you may have posted the GB's first haiku.


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Posted by:

John

Location: Oakland, CA
Web: My link

Subject: Great site

Awesome site!

I grew up with this music and lately I'm revisiting it. This site is the best resource for all the history, analysis, lyric sheets, sound files, etc.

Huge thanks!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Trivia,etc....

Dave Letterman has the Dave Matthews Band on Monday and Friday.

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GLENN T: My pleasure on the quotes. I get a lot of goodies in my e-mails, which I like to share. Getting a response only makes me want to post more. Thanx.

NORM: The vid I saw was of beautiful Vancouver, "A day in" and "orange sky". Too bad about the guy you mentioned. Hope things are better for him now.

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Did you know that....

.... the domesticated animal breeds originating from Scotland include the Scottish Fold cat, the Rough Collie of "Lassie" fame, and the Grice, a somewhat aggressive pig? ...

... 23% of the world's uranium reserves are held in Australia?

... that Nick Cave requested all television cameras be switched off during his performance of the song "Into My Arms" at the funeral of INXS singer Michael Hutchence?

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Bobbie Gentry: Birth name Roberta Lee Streeter--- Born July 27, 1944 (1944-07-27) (age 65)--- Chickasaw County, Mississippi, United States--- Genre(s) Country, Traditional pop, soul music

Occupation(s) Singer-songwriter--- Instrument(s) Vocals, guitar--- Years active 1964-1978

Label(s) Capitol--- Associated acts Glen Campbell

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Maureen Therese McGovern (born July 27, 1949) is an American singer and Broadway actress, well-known for her premier rendition of the song, "The Morning After" for the movie The Poseidon Adventure (1972).

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LEON WILKESON:

Birth: Apr. 2, 1952---Jacksonville,Duval County, Florida

Death: Jul. 27, 2001 Ponte Vedra Beach,St. Johns County Florida

Rock Musician. He was the bass guitarist for the Southern rock band "Lynyrd Skynyrd". On stage and on record, their full-throttle boogie style was both explosive and surprisingly graceful as evident in the genre's landmark "Free Bird" and "Sweet Home Alabama". Known for his outlandish hats, Leon Wilkeson survived the plane crash in 1977 that killed band members Ronnie Van Zant, Steve Gaines and singer Cassie Gaines.

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Bob Hope, KBE, KCSG (born Leslie Townes Hope, May 29, 1903 – July 27, 2003), was a British-born American comedian and actor who appeared in vaudeville, on Broadway, and in radio, television and movies. He was also noted for his work with the US Armed Forces and his numerous USO tours entertaining American military personnel.[1] Throughout his career, he was honored for his humanitarian work. In 1996, the U.S. Congress honored Bob Hope by declaring him the "first and only honorary veteran of the U.S. armed forces."

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Leo Durocher: Shortstop / Manager

Born: July 27, 1905(1905-07-27) West Springfield, Massachusetts

Died: October 7, 1991 (aged 86) Palm Springs, California

Batted: Right Threw: Right

MLB debut: October 2, 1925 for the New York Yankees---Last MLB appearance April 18, 1945 for the Brooklyn Dodgers

Career statistics: Batting average .247--- Hits 1,320--- Runs batted in 567--- Managerial record 2,008–1,709

Teams: As player--- New York Yankees (1925, 1928–1929), Cincinnati Reds (1930–1933), St. Louis Cardinals (1933–1937), Brooklyn Dodgers (1938–1941, 1943, 1945)

As manager: Brooklyn Dodgers (1939–1946, 1948], New York Giants (1948–1955), Chicago Cubs (1966–1972), Houston Astros (1972–1973), Taiheiyo Club Lions (1976)

As coach: Brooklyn Dodgers (1961–1964

Career highlights and awards: 3× All-Star selection (1936, 1938, 1940), 4× World Series champion (1928, 1934, 1954, 1963)

Member of the National Baseball Hall of Fame Induction 1994

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Until next tome LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Telstar …

Has anyone else seen it? It's far more than a Joe Meek biopic. Downside is you'll never hear "Johnny Remember Me" or "Telstar" again without laughing. Brilliant acting throughout though.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Diesel: Shhh - the GB is sleeping.


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Posted by:

Diesel

Did the band members smoke a lot of pot. Hope not. Hate Phish.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Suze Rotolo's book

I was really looking forward to it when t came out. It was, alas, very disappointing. All in all, it comes out that her time with Bob was pretty mundane. It seems like she didn't want to upset him, or there really wasn't much of interest that happened.


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Posted by:

Bill M

NB: Can't help with the golfers at all, I'm afraid. One Spartan of my acquaintance did make it to the NHL, though, albeit with Buffalo and not for long. The only course I ever set foot on in my youth was what I think was a fancy private course along the Rouge nearish the Fourth and Whites(?), and that was only because my Scout troop had been hired by the people next door to the course to clear out the underbrush in their woods. There was one hole where the golfers teed off from way up on top of the bank with the green being way down and across the river. I wasn't the one who stole their balls while they clambered down; don't know for sure but it was most likely your incorrigible classmate Doug W.

As for the Youngs' house on Brock - west side between the 4th and the 5th, I believe; they may well have had an RR# rather than a street number way back then.

Pat B: Thanks for the Glover article. It had occurred to me over the weekend that "The Weight" would have been a different song if Levon hadn't returned in time for Robbie to have written it with him in mind. Instead of Chester and Old Luke the characters would likely have been Canadians with names like Gord, Ken and Barry (or Bob and Doug - "Hey Carmen, care for a brewski? Take off eh!")


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Riding That Train, Boy She's Insane!

As her train of thought once again comes off the tracks Palin is again focused on what's important. The economy is in the toilet, the planet's headed for an environmental crisis and The Governess is calling for more guns in society. Can't argue with her appeal to the heartland. Her," we hunt because we eat" applies to about an all time low of 4% of the US population. How's the other 96% surviving?


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Posted by:

Peter V

The trouble with The Growing Trade IS that it tries to be Band-like, but it sounds so forced, just like Caves of Jericho. As I said before the melody's chasing the lyric rather than integrated with it. It all works so much better when it isn't trying to be Band-like.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Electric Dirt

I picked up a copy of Electric Dirt the other day. It's great - with the exception of The Growing trade which is a calamity. The sad thing about that song is that several reviews I've read have likened it to the sound of the Band. Maybe but Robbie wouldn't have written lyrics that bad. Still thats nitt picking. The rest of the album is fantastic. I just hope Levon invites Garth along for the next album. Maybe Robbie too?


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Posted by:

Cwipple Cweek

Location: Perth

Subject: Moe Norman and the Band

Hi Northern Boy and other Golf fans, The definitive book on Moe Norman is called "The Feeling of Greatness".It was written by a Golf writer from one of the major Toronto dailies (Band connection:the Band spent a lot of time in Toronto albeit as the Hawks) In the early or mid 90s Moe had a stroke or Heart attack and was rushed to University Hospital in London Ont(Band connection 2:the boys played here a lot and Garth went to UWO for a year I think)When Moe recoverd the nurse asked him if he knew where he was and he said Yeah I am on the 5th green.(not sure exactly what number he quoted but 5th will do)The nurse found this a bit strange and asked several more times and got the same answer.Eventually an older Doctor cottoned on and realised that Moe was in fact on what used to be the 5th green at the Old London Hunt and Country Club.It had moved to west London in the early 60s but Moe had played in many amateur tournaments at the old course throughout the 50s.Band connection 3: this all occurred about a kilometer from Garth,s primary school. Ok back to Music, i am about to read Suze Rotolos,s "A freewheelin Time".Has anyone read it?Looks interesting.


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Posted by:

Steve

Tull, Ashe was a good example to bring up but used completely in the wrong way. Let me explain. Bob was saying great effort was being made to bring blacks into or back to certain sports. I mentioned that the only black elite players I'm aware of are the Williams sisters and then asked if there are any I'm missing because I don't watch much tennis. So the examples needed to follow on Bob's point would have been elite players playing TODAY. Not 40 years ago.

But you could have turned Ashe to advantage Tull, by saying something like this.

Back in the bad old days of the last century there was only one elite black player on the circuit. Tennis, in this century has made huge strides by literally doubling the number of elite black athletes playing the sport. What other sport can make such a claim?

See, you were on the right track but just couldn't bring that contrarian view point to the FORE! Freakin golf, you just can't shake the "sport".


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: "wisdom listens..."

serenity: thanks for those quotes! i really like the one from jimi hendrix. we all could be much better listeners. and i got a great chuckle from the one by marty feldman.

i haven't yet picked up electric dirt because i really want "ashes of love," but i don't see it at iTunes (and i'm on the american site). was it just there for a few days and then gone? is it available anywhere?

it's been a while since i've heard anything about the hawks boxset. is anyone aware of what's happening with that?

many thanks to those who maintain this site and contribute positive posts. we are blessed to have such a forum built on the foundation of our love for The Band.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "Around the Beatles"

I was at a Record Fair today and got a DVD of the Beatles special "Around The Beatles" as part of the Ready Steady Go TV show series. It's non-stop music, apparently live (or specially recorded with Sounds Inc. backing everyone and later mimed) and in early 1964 there are two songs of Band interest. Long John Baldry does :"Forty Days" (NOT Thirty Days) and Cilla Black does "Saved" (and very well too). The Beatles do a rock medley, one song each; a six song Beatles hits medley then finish with "Shout". There are Japanese subtitles so it must come from a tape that went to Japan … I thought that Redifussion TV had lost most of them.(It is a bootleg),


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Trivia, Anne Murray..

Hi guys!! Have a nice day. Here's a bit of trivia I'm hoping you will like.

Birth name Michael Philip Jagger

Born 26 July 1943 (1943-07-26) (age 66) at Dartford, Kent, England

Genre(s) Rock, rock and roll, psychedelic rock, blues, reggae, blues-rock

Occupation(s) Singer, songwriter, musician, record producer, film producer

Instrument(s) Vocals, harmonica, guitar, piano, bass

Years active 1962 - present

Label(s) Virgin, Rolling Stones, ABKCO, Universal

Associated acts The Rolling Stones

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Also in 1992, Motown singer/songwriter Mary Wells died of cancer at age 49.

In 2005, the United States roared back into space as the shuttle Discovery lifted off from Cape Canaveral in the first launch since the 2003 Columbia tragedy.

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Centre for Snowbird singer celebrates 20 years in Springhill, N.S. Sat Jul 25,

SPRINGHILL, N.S. - Canadian singing legend Anne Murray was once again honoured in her hometown of Springhill, Nova Scotia.

Murray was on hand to help celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Anne Murray Centre in Springhill.

Fans cried and shared stories about the influence Murray has had on their lives.

People in the community say the Centre has livened up the quiet town and made it a tourist destination.

Since the Anne Murray Centre opened in 1989, more than 300,000 people have made the pilgrimage to Springhill.

Murray says it was nice to give something back to her home town. [I visited here in the late 50's, and it was like a ghost town then. Stores closed and most gathered in a local bar. It was so sad].

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Wisdom Quotes

"Whenever I'm caught between two evils, I take the one I've never tried." Mae West

"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens." Jimi Hendrix

"The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with." Marty Feldman

"How to make a million dollars: First, get a million dollars." Steve Martin

"If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it." W.C. Fields

"Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them." Samuel Palmer

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE



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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Tow boat accidents

I'm not sure if the page will work for you. However if it doesn't, google, (on youtube) tugboat accident flips in Skoocum Chuck Narrows.

This tug, "North Arm Venture" is towing a barge almost exactly like mine. The tug is a fair amount bigger than mine, with almost twice the power.

This fellow made a few mistakes. He was 45 minutes late for slack tide. He has his barge up very close, and is running too fast, with too much power on. There is an "abort" on your tow line, which lets the brake release by pushing a button. That allows towline to run out, so the barge can't pull on you. He must have panicked some what and did not release his towline. As well he let his tug get off to the side, instead of staying in front of the barge. His tug hit a "back eddy" allowing the barge to overtake and start to pass him. This could happen to any one. You know the old saying, STAY FOCUSED!

Looking closely, you will see one guy fall back into the door, top side. He ended up underneath, in the ship. Fortunately he is a diver, and did not panick. He waited, got his opportunity, and swam out. All four crewmen were saved, and ok.

My younger brother, (he's just coming by Powell River with a tow of logs, forgot potatoes, so I got to run him out some.) Anyway, he told me the captain of the North Arm Venture, is a quite an arrogant fellow, and no one wants to sail with him. Apparently the company was giving him, the "one last chance". What a horribly humbling experience. I hope he has better luck.

No one wants to ever see a guy have such a bad experience. Fortunately the out come was that no one was hurt. I'm sure every one can imagine the sick feeling in my gut watching this. At the end of the video, you can see how fast the tide runs, and what these crazies do with their kayaks in the tide.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Mo' Moe (for Pat-no music content)

Moe wouldn't have fit it on the Tour simply by virtue of having been Moe. I don't think he ever meant anyone an ounce of harm, though. The victim of a rotten upbringing, he was kind of a wounded soul who lacked confidence socially, along with most of the social skills we take for granted. I doubt he went far at all in school. I doubt if he could've chummed his way into the the fraternity of players on tour, and probably didn't even try, which also would've been perceived as weird. He had a peculiar, choppy, and fast way of speaking. So a bit weird to listen to and a bit weird to look at too, I imagine. I think he used to sleep at the tourney sites in his big ol' Caddi, so in the morning, by definition, he'd look like he'd sleep in his car all night -because he had ! And all this in the age of Perry Como cardigan conformity, so that made it tough.

Problem two. Moe did everything at top speed. That's how his mind worked and that was part of his genius. (ignoring all conventional golf theory and inventing a totally different swing that he had totally down pat before he was twenty, was another part of it). So pokey tournament play just bored Moe silly, possibly got him off his game, and brought out even more quirkiness. If he had to wait long at all he'd go off in the rough or the woods and start looking for lost balls and I'm not not sure he'd always get back to his own ball when it was his turn to play again, either. He even putted through another player's legs once rather than wait for him to get out of his way. Be the time Moe got to his ball he'd have completely figured out what he wanted to do next and then needed only seconds to execute perfectly. He could read his putts in seconds.

I suspect if Moe could've been a onesome in every round of every tournament, ie. gone off first with just a scorer, he'd have broken par handily every day, been back to the clubhouse in no time flat, had breakfast and probably have hit a hundred balls on the practice range before the next group was even finished. He was like a high-strung thoroughbred that was constantly being held back. When he'd come over from Golf Haven to our club, sometimes he'd take a power cart and our pro would take another one and they'd meet at the green. Would play a whole round like that, playing through anyone in their way. Crazy ! There's no end of Moe stories floating around, used to be anyway.

I don't know if the PGA actually got rid of him, whether players didn't like playing with the strange Canuck guy and made their feelings known to the Commisioner, or whether Moe knew this arrangement wasn't tenable so he just left, perhaps to the relief of others. With Moe's fairly recent passing there's probably a book out on him by now, possibly by the American fellow who kept a watchful eye on Moe in his later years. He is a Moe authority; I'm not. Near the end of his life, one of the big golf companies (Titleist ?) paid Moe about $60,000 a year to do literally nothing, other than to just be Moe Norman. I think he finished his life golfing, (what else), in Florida and may have been destitute without this helping hand. Certainly the most colourful figure ever in Canadian Golf, and possibly had he come along in a different decade, the tour and its players might've actually embraced him precisely for his quirky nature. Ironic. Even to this day, I think some players might still consider Moe was the best ball-striker ever. I think Trevino for one. Moe hit it out of bounds exactly all of once in his entire competitive career (27 years, or something like that).NB

I'm with you completely on Bobby Jones' swing (poetry in motion), but I bet the modern coaches have no use for that footage as an instructional tool, as his lower body action is totally contrary to modern swing instruction. Still a treat to watch though.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Testing...

...after the monthly cleaning of the GB. Still on vacation, now on the lovely island of Fehmarn, Germany. The booze is dangerously cheap here... %-}


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Firefox

I'm a big fan. I never use IE. Firefox is safer.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: The BAND

LINK: "The Weight" by our guys. ROBBIE sounds a little scratchy, but he sure looks "cute", as do the rest.

PAT B: Thanx for the interesting link.

JQ: Firefox is a good one. My daughter swears by it. I'm going to add it now that I have a lot of room for storage.

CLAIRE: Those exact same questions/answers were on "R&R Jeopardy" back in 1999, when Jeff Probst ["Survivor"] was the host. I have a few of them on home vids. It was a good program from VH1. Our Canadian channel #36 MMM carried it.

Take care and God Bless xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Pat B

Lars, I'm sorry, I was being ironic. It's a fantastic article that gives great insight into the group just before they went public.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: "A Wonderful New Group"

PAT- I tried to read your linked article "A Wonderful New Group" with some reservations (after you warned us about its authenticity) and I still came away spellbound. There were so many things that I'd never heard before and , even if only half of the article is true, I feel like I got a look behind the curtain of The Band Legend. One of the quotes I have doubts about is Robbie talking about going out on the road with Dylan again, "if the music scene ever straightens out" enough to appreciate Dylan's electric sound. From all that I've heard and read, The Band was totally involved in their own music after "Music From Big Pink" and they weren't planning on being Bob Dylan's electric band anymore.

Seeing Mike Bloomfield's name reminds me of Mike's famous complaint while playing in Paul Butterfield's band, "I know Paul...and I'm scared of him."

I can hear Sredni laughing from here.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Peter, the one I linked to is a promo copy. I don't know what the released copy looks like.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Weight single

Where the British one differs from the US one is that after the five names in a row, it says (The Band) in parentheses. I bought my copy new back in the day.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Weight single

Odd order … not alphabetical- Robertson, Danko, Manuel, Hudson, Helm. The British Capitol single isn't on the site. Exactly the same.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

And here's RR explaining in the fall of 1968 why the group doesn't have a name. Of course, it's a contemporary interview done by a published author with lots of quotes so I don't trust it.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

A link to a picture of the single "The Weight", before they decided on a name.

Firefox is a far more stable browser than Safari.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: pink

My copy of Big Pink notes 'The Band' on the spine and nowhere else.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Original copies of Big Pink have the five names in a row, and don't mention "The Band" I think.

My main interface with golf was doing lights on summer variety shows, when the likes of Frankie Vaughan, Des O'Connor and later Jimmy Tarbuck. These "showbiz" types were keen golfers and turned up at 5.45 for the first show, which was at 6.30 in appallingly-patterned sweaters and silly shoes. Golf apparently appealed strongly to the "showbiz" crowd and also to would-be bankers. I used to spell "banker" with a "W" and it's taken until 2009 for the world to catch up with me. There was one stage hand who was a golf-professional at a local club and who would play with the stars and let them win, or caddy when there were a sufficient number of stars to not need his services. We used to call him "The caddy." He was the most professional arselicker I ever met. I think it was the mark of his trade.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: The Crackers

Claire's "Jeapordy" question brings up another question, at least in my mind. When did The Band become officially known as "The Band?" Dylan's reference to them as "The Band" carried a lot of weight, but when Albert Grossman got them their first contract with Capitol Records, they were signed as "The Crackers." I seem to remember that the album "Music From Little Pink" was being pressed at Capitol and the record company wanted to know whether to list the album as being made by the contractual name "The Crackers" or the more popular name "The Band." They just needed a name to use. Was it Grossman, the OQ, or some executive at Capitol who finally made a commitment to the name "The Band?"


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Posted by:

Claire

On Jeopardy last night, "Dylan" was one of the categories and one of the questions (answers) was: "Take a load off and tell us the name of this group, originally called The Hawks, who played with Dylan when he went electric in 1965." Somewhat surprisingly, it was answered correctly. On a previous show when The Band was the answer, no contestant was able to get it right.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Steve Goodman

A mini bio of Steve Goodman, who would have been 61 today. [May he RIP] Another one gone too soon.

Steve Goodman (July 25, 1948 – September 20, 1984) was an American folk music singer-songwriter from Chicago, Illinois. The writer of "City of New Orleans", made popular by Arlo Guthrie, Goodman won two Grammy Awards.

in 1971, Goodman was playing at a Chicago bar called the Quiet Knight as the opening act for Kris Kristofferson. Kristofferson, impressed with Goodman, introduced him to Paul Anka, who brought Goodman to New York to record some demos. These resulted in Goodman signing a contract with Buddah Records.

All this time, Goodman had been busy writing many of his most enduring songs, and this avid songwriting would lead to an important break for him. While at the Quiet Knight, Goodman saw Arlo Guthrie, and asked to be allowed to play a song for him. Guthrie grudgingly agreed, on the condition that Goodman buy him a beer first; Guthrie would listen to Goodman for as long as it took Guthrie to drink the beer. Goodman played "City of New Orleans", (original lyrics) which Guthrie liked enough that he asked to record it. Guthrie's version of the song became a Top 20 hit in 1972, and provided Goodman with enough financial and artistic success to make his music a full-time career. The song, about the Illinois Central's City of New Orleans train, would become an American standard, covered by such musicians as Johnny Cash, Judy Collins, and Willie Nelson, whose recorded version earned Goodman a posthumous Grammy Award for Best Country Song in 1985. A French translation of the song, "Salut Les Amoureux", was recorded by Joe Dassin in 1979. According to his wife, the song began as Goodman in his imagination wandered all the way to New Orleans while on a train from Chicago to visit her elderly grandmother in Mattoon, Illinois.

In 1974, singer David Allan Coe achieved considerable success on the country charts with Goodman's and Prine's "You Never Even Call Me By My Name", a song which good-naturedly spoofed stereotypical country music lyrics. Prine refused to take a songwriter's credit of the song, although Goodman bought Prine a jukebox as a gift from his publishing royalties.

Goodman's success as a recording artist was more limited. Although he was known in folk circles as an excellent and influential songwriter, his albums received more critical than commercial success. Ironically, one of Goodman's biggest hits was a song he didn't write – "The Dutchman", written by Michael Peter Smith.

Death

On September 20, 1984, Goodman died at University of Washington Hospital in Seattle, Washington, his life finally taken by the leukemia from which he had anointed himself with the tongue-in-cheek nickname “Cool Hand Leuk” (other nicknames included “Chicago Shorty” and “The Little Prince”). He was only 36. Just four days after Goodman's death, his beloved Chicago Cubs clinched the Eastern Division title in the National League for the first time ever, earning them their first post-season appearance since 1945, three years before Goodman's birth. Eight days later, on October 2, the Cubs played their first post-season game since the 1945 World Series. Goodman had been asked to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" before it; Jimmy Buffett filled in, and dedicated the song to Goodman. In April 1988, some of Goodman's ashes were scattered at Wrigley Field, the home of the Chicago Cubs. He was survived by his wife and three daughters.

Legacy

In 2006, Goodman's daughter, Rosanna, issued My Old Man, an album of a variety of artists covering her father's songs.

Interest in Goodman's career had a resurgence in 2007 with the publication of a massive biography by Clay Eals, Steve Goodman: Facing the Music. The same year, the Chicago Cubs began playing Goodman's 1984 song "Go, Cubs, Go" after each home game win. When the Cubs made it to the playoffs, interest in the song and Goodman resulted in several newspaper articles about Goodman. Illinois Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn declared October 5, 2007 Steve Goodman Day in the state.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Safari vs Firefox

Anybody else having recent trouble with Safari crashing out? Is Firefox better? Relation to The Band: C'mon it's how we all get together here.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Yes, Bob. Consider almost any large organization and its membership: the AMA and their doctors (ivory tower vs. the people in the field), the Episcopal Church and the schism over gays, the mainline Republican Party and the Christianists. The leaders can be "visionary" (my term) but the rank and file can be self-centered and defensive--and vice-versa.

I'm sure there is slow and reluctant change for some of these clubs as the recession has gutted their membership. More clubs are closing than opening which should tell you the depth of the problem. Other clubs are consolidating. But discrimination against the big three is still rampant.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Pat, so the PGA is a "visionary" (your term) organization but its membership is in direct opposition?

For what it is worth, as a kid I caddied at an all Jewish club that did not allow gentiles as members. Times were different then. I understand and empathize with the exclusion issue but I also believe it is not nearly as prevalent these days and that it can be spun in a lot of different directions.

Steve, my rose colored glasses prefer to see what is being done right, what is being done to correct old wrongs and what is possible as a result. What a lousy outlook that is, eh?

Take care, everyone.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Good joke Dlew. Of course any discussion of golf in the GB would not be complete without mentioning a former poster's reminiscence of his father telling him that the only redeeming quality of golf was the amount of rich people who would drop dead while playing.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Golf

I can't add any more to the discussion except the following joke. /n Two avid golfers are playing a round when they see a funeral go past. One, in the middle of putting, stops, takes his hat off, bows his head, and prays silently for a couple of minutes. /n After the hearse has passed, he takes his shot. His mate congratulates him on sinking the ball and then comments, 'you know, it was very touching that you stopped for the funeral. You don't see that type of respect anymore. /n The first guy says, 'really, it was the least I could do. We'd been married 35 years last wednesday.'


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Posted by:

Frank

Location: Ireland

Subject: Irish Showbands

Peter the Showband era probably peaked over here in the sixties but suffered with the advent of disco..I well remember one outfit called "Ian Corrigan and Country Style",a brass section was an integral part of such groups and Corrigan and co all looked resplendent in matching green velvet suit's.Another big name from of this genre were from my neck of the woods, called the Hilton Showband [Pat Jennings wife actually was lead singer at one time or another,they never quite made the big time,but did play as far afield as Canada and most certainly England,Wales and Scotland..they even made it onto Opportunity Knocks.but legend has it that the ghastly Hughie Green made them play a slow ballad type of number as opposed to the more upbeat type of tune they normally played] not my type of thing to be honest but they where what tey where and where off thier time,the Hilton favoured crimson suits if my memory serves me correctly. A popular radio presenter from over here [Derry to be exact] Gerry Anderson used to play in a Showband called "The Chessmen", he actually at one time played with Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawk's as well in the early seventies. A man who probably best summed this era up was the late Joe Dolan "there's no show like a Joe show" was a popular refrain in the day..Dolan was a native of Mullingar and played to packed houses the length and breadth of the country...about thirty years ago I was travelling across the states on free spirited enterprise called "Green Tortoise Tour's"[ basically a bus with no seats and certainly full of very interesting fun people when I made my trip ..trip being the operative word to be honest]anyway my friend and I disemebarked in Hollywood [the rest where heading for San Francisco] and happily set of to explore the sights of tinsel town, we where shocked, well mildly amused to see the first huge poster/ advertisement we came across was one for the late Joe Dolan an his entourage..small world.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Irish Showbands

After finding a few 45s recently,I’ve started getting interested in Irish Showbands. Van Morrison (sax) and Rory Gallagher were both graduates from them. There were over 1500 of them 1958-1985, and they mainly played one nighters, often to 2000 people a time. The line up was guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, two brass (usually trumpet and sax). The characteristic was they usually had more than one lead vocalist and several backing vocalists, and could switch from Top Twenty to rock & roll, R&B, C & W and traditional Irish tunes. The top ones, like the Royal Showband, went beyond Ireland and toured Great Britain and got as far afield as Germany and Canada. The Monarchs (with Van) played England, Scotland and Germany. Looking at the characteristics again, does it remind anyone of Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks? It reminds me of seeing Zoot Money weekly (they had a vocalist as well as Zoot on organ and vocals). At the same venue, I saw at least three Irish Showbands in the early 60s, but I don’t know which ones. It was always a great evening, no farting around between songs, wide variety and tons of energy.


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, I actually thought Moe had a better swing than the Hawk (too flat) but Bobby Jones was the guy to emulate. Tony Lema had a great swing too. What did Moe do to earn the PGA's enmity? btw I used to collect golf books, and my prize was Walter Hagen's autobiography signed "Golfingly, Walter Hagen". Now there was a guy who could have hung with the boys.


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Posted by:

Moore Endby

Now that Northern Boy tells one hell of a good story, doesn't he ?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Don't Hate Me But.... I'm Coming Out of the Closet (no musical content)

I'll probably never hear the end of it from Steve, but I came this close to spending my working life as a golf club professional. At nineteen I was a two-handicapper, had competed provincially and nationally, was working in a pro-shop and had been offered an assistant pro position there. I was seriously considering doing the apprenticeship under the head pro, who coincidentally had served as an assistant pro under one of the ten best ball-strikers in the history of golf, Moe Norman. Quirky Moe kind of got himself railroaded off the PGA tour - discrimination of another kind. (Do you know of Moe, Pat ? Few people may realize it, but Moe once actually golfed in the group directly in front me). Bill M. will correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been told that Neil Young's brother worked in my old pro-shop, I guess in the late fifties. At that time the Youngs definitely lived on Brock Road where our golf course was situated. Neil has said he really first got into Rock'N Roll (maybe age 10 to 12 ?) while living on Brock Rd. Oh sorry, I digressed into music there for a second. Let's get back to golf, but even more importantly, back to me. Anyway, for better or worse, I did not take the offer of the assistant golf professional position, so therefore my life took an altogether different turn - that of professional greeter at WalMart.

But don't worry guys, the golf position I passed up on wasn't at one of those swanky private clubs. However, there was one of those clubs up the road from us a ways. I remember we got a slightly strange phone call one day from that particular private club, strange in that we usually had very little to do with them, and they, likewise, had even way less to do with us. The phone call, it turns out, was from their two top juniors and they wanted our club to send up our two top juniors for a so-called "friendly match". We would be competing on their home field, so to speak, with the understanding that later they would come down to our club for the second installment. (This sounded to me a bit like Wimpy economics: -you know, "for a hamburger today, I will gladly repay you next Tuesday", but "what the hell", I thought ).

So myself and this other junior dude from our club, whose nickname coincidentally was "Dude", blithely headed up to the private club for the match. Now as theirs was a private club, I'd only played their course once or twice in junior tournaments and my partner, this Dude dude, was playing it for the first time in his entire life. So in other words, we were toast ! Realistically, we had about as much chance as a snowball in a microwave. The expression "lambs to the slaughter" was not, as of yet, in our lexicon. However fortunately for us, we were too young and/or too stupid to sense our own imminent annihilation.

Anyway, after nine holes of golf we were seriously down to the private club boys. In other words, it wasn't looking good for the young NB and the dude known simply as "Dude" - no, not good at all ! Then gradually, Dude's game picked up a notch or two while somehow, from the tenth hole onward it was as if my game had caught, as they say, "Lightening In A Bottle" (which, if I'm not as mistaken as I usually am, is the title of a terrific blues concert DVD with BB King and a whole host of other great blues talent, but damn it, I'm digressing into music again ! Focus Northern Boy, focus !).

Anyway, then out on the back nine, out of nowhere, everything changed. But the biggest change of all was that the cup started to appear to my eye to be the size of a garbage can (whereas at this stage of my life it looks pretty much like a thimble). I then concluded that it would appear highly embarrassing to not be able to sink putts into garbage cans, so to avoid embarrassment I henceforth calmly proceeded to sink virtually all of my putts on that back nine, be they for par or birdie, or whatever. When the day finally came to a close, I walked off their 18th green with a back nine of five-under par. The private club boys had lost the match on their home turf in convincing fashion but, you know, despite the stereotype, they were both great guys who were terrific about how the day's match had gone down. However, they strangely never got around to coming down to the workingman's club for the second part of the match. They musta gotten busy, or something. Anyway, one of them went on to be a club pro and Canadian tour player who even played in the US Senior Open about four years ago. He went to our high school, Bill M, so I'll expect you to come up with a name for me, oh, and an address for Neil Young's family on Brock Rd. too while you're at it. NB


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Race relations

Charlie, wow, a big question that deserves a bigger answer than I can give it. I think in most parts of the South, race relations are better, significantly, than up North. I think they are vastly improved everywhere, but I think there is far more respect between at least black and white in the South than elsewhere in the modern era. Virginia had the Doug Wilder, the first elected black governor. NY had Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton. During the 80's while in high school in West Haven, CT, the Imperial Wizard of the KKK (who lived in CT!) won a court order to have a Klan rally at our high school football field! There has also been a net migration back to the South by African Americans due to the improved conditions. We can come up with endless examples supporting and refuting me, but I do think the comfort level on racial issues is more comfortable in most of the South versus the North.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Typo

I meant "JTF" (JTull Fan).


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

JTK: I was in Richmond with my parents recently, taking my father to the VA hospital to order a hearing aid for him (he's 80 and needs one, I'm 56 and may need one soon myself!). Anyway, I gave them the mini-tour of Monument Avenue and told them about the controversy when a group wanted to put a statue of Arthur Ashe on the same street as one of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. The statue for Mr. Ashe is wonderful, depicting him holding a tennis racket in one hand and a book in the other, with children cheering him on. Richmond should be proud of that on many levels.

There's an obvious Band connection here (R.E.Lee) but I'd like to know your opinion, JTF--as someone who has lived in both North and South--about the differences in race relations in the two distinctively different areas. I think the Henry Gates arrest business makes this a relevent topic.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: tennis

Steve, you never heard of Arthur Ashe? he has a monument in Richmond if you ever care to visit.


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Posted by:

Pat B

If Zimmy decided to move to Dallas, he'd have some problems since the five top courses in the area still have a strict "no Jew" policy. That sort of prejudice--along with "no Women" and "No African Amricans" still swims through the private club system rather freely. There was a country club here north of Chicago that denied membership to Michael Jordan.

I never did say that people can't play golf if they want. In fact the golf boom of ten years ago has left literally hundreds of underused courses as the economy tanked. For the first time there are more courses closing than opening.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The above link is a nice way to tee off a Friday night....Hunter, Bowie and Ronson - love it!.....Pat's mention of Focus brought back memories of being a kid and hearing Hocus Pocus by Focus on the radio....we thiught it was pretty cool at the time.......it would be some years later that I discovered the likes of Bowie, Faces, Zep, Dylan and The Band....


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Jeff, Peter V, Amanda, Golf

Thanks, Jeff. I always assumed that if the producer was credited then his work had been used. 'Exploited' part of post is interesting.

Peter V:If you've got a spare half hour go to BBC iplayer and search 'Sex, Drugs and Woolly Semmits' you'll find a good programme on Maggie Bell on Radio Scotland. It relates to pop/rock in the sixties and is a good snapshot of the pop business then, including topics you've mentioned.

Amanda:I wonder if Bob is releasing all the Bootleg series to pay for the house?

Golf:I would say golf is accessible here. Most people could afford to join local clubs, which are of a very good standard, but I doubt if the Royal and Ancient or Muirfield would have me. It would be easy for Bob to join his local club. The problem is funding when a promising young player wants to go full time or to college in USA. After attending state schools Andy Murray had to move to Spain to further his career.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Very few black jockeys as well. It's not like all jockeys come from rural areas where there are horse farms. Most jockeys of colour are of West Indian descent and that is not exactly horse country. By the way, 5 1/2 days till Opening Day at the Spa.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Arthur Ashe.

Hmm. Black people don't golf because it's not an urban game? Which I think would be based on an assumption that they are mostly urban. Which is, if true, because why?


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Posted by:

Amanda

Thank you Dunc for sharing the link to Bob's house. He's a lucky guy.


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: golf brats

My husband's nephew is one of those who will go the Qschool route that's been mentioned here. (I guess that's the same thing my sister in law is talking about -- the cost is $10,000 - they say they aren't going to pay it. Yeah, right.) The kid went to a public college here in KY. He's a very good golfer, no doubt. But his entire life has been devoted to playing golf. His dad's life too - for the past 15 years anyway. (Luckily dad owns his own business and was free to take his son golfing everyday - sometimes twice a day.) Not at a country club, though. Just the public links, for the most part. Anyhow, the kid is pretty much insufferable. But he is a good golfer. Band connection? I'll betcha Rick Danko never played a round of golf in his entire life. Garth neither. Richard or Levon? Maybe. Sebastian - does your dad play golf?


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Subject: Levenslied:

Rika Jansen, Amsterdam Huilt, acording to Sports Illustrated (2007 Nov.) on Wood's iPot (got it indeed from Obama).

p.s. yes, as Pat already said, The Golden Earing still play, in fact, they just ended an 8 days (in a row) tour on Dutch Rhine cruiser Ms De Zonnebloem.


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, there are great junior programs and high school programs for people who eventually have handicaps that they lie about. However, to become a pro takes a lot more than being an excellent junior or high school competitor. Most pro golfers are ID'ed pretty early in the process and thrown into a regimen that involves around the year training and instruction, both at a huge cost. Like I mentioned, quite often fellow club members will form an LLC around the player to underwrite these expenses for a piece of the future action.

Eventually these players get placed in the golf universities, mostly in the sunny south where they play year round. My brother belongs to University of Texas GC outside of Austin. I saw the team hitting from the golds and these kids are preternatural. The training facility is also unreal.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: On line music

WNEW FM was the best station in the NY Metro area for years. They are trying to bring it back "to life"


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: FORE!

Pat, I'd have said I thought all the college players came from the Public Links if I thought that. Instead, I conceded in my opening sentence that most touring pros had probably been country club juniors. I know and lament as much as anyone how few African-Americans have reached the big tours. I may be making assumptions about golf in the U.S. based on golf in Canada. We have lots of private clubs here too, but we also have endless semi-private clubs that have golf pros and junior programmes, are attached to challenging courses, are open for everybody to join and usually with pretty decent junior and family membership rates. This would be the type of club that Mike Weir learned his golf at on his way up to the tour. Doesn't the US have this whole layer of golf courses I've just described to create its good juniors ? And doesn't nearly every high school have a golf programme to spot the talented kids and get them steered toward the colleges, if their marks and golf games warrant it ? NB


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Posted by:

Pat B

C'mon, Kevin, Golden Earring is still together. Let's hope Focus hears the call.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

A bit complicated as to his bloodlines but perhaps Tiger will retire from golf at his peak – a grand slam victory tour in 2010 – that will be come to be known as the Last Waltz – and re-emerge in 2021 playing traditional Dutch music…..hang onto your hat as traditional Dutch music has the very Band like name of “Levenslied”….by this time Fox News will be routinely referring to Barack Obama as the worst white president the country has ever had……7 of the top 10 golfers on the PGA tour will be Chinese and Steve will be here to tell every one why…….someone will explain the word leisure to the Chinese and they will laugh politely……..Golden Earing will reform citing Tiger as an influence……………


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, as I mentioned before, the Nationwide Tour has exactly one African American participating. Not one on the PGA. Q school costs a lot of money with no assurance of return. That's just one of many places where the LLC's come in.


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, where do you think all those college players come from? The publinx?

Bob, I'm being dead on. Any duffer can play anytime he or she wants to. But the pros on the tour inevitably belonged to CC as kids, got ID'ed early in their lives as pro material, attended pricey off-season academies, even became LLC's and got other members to invest in them. By the time they got to college--on scholarship-- they were scratch golfers. Another typical story: your dad was a club pro and/or he was a dominating psycho.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bob, why do so many debates with you end with vulgarity on your part?

I'll leave you to spread whatever vision of the world your rose colored glasses give you as I'm off to split the Ford 4610 into two halves to replace the clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and possibly the flywheel. You can post with carefree, reckless abandon. Enjoy it.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Fuck it. The paint is all dried now. Let's talk cabbage.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Poor taste in sweaters and hosiery appears to be a further requisite.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Time and Money

Any way you dice it Bob it's about money. No money no play. No money, no leisure time, no play. Golf is defined by money and leisure time. Hey, Time To Kill, there's a Band connection. If you're working two jobs at minimum wage your leisure time suffers as does your short game. You should add both TIME and MONEY to interest as prerequisites for playing golf. Lets be honest here Bob. Time and money. Time and money. You say talent and ambition are the only requirements, like the other sports mentioned. If that is true what is your hypothesis for the dearth of black golfers on the tour. No talent, no ambition? " Golf may not be as convenient as basketball has to go down as one of the GB's all time understatements. Bob, take off the blinders. Time and money. It's a leisure pursuit of people with an excess of both.

You say tennis has thrived of late. Who besides the Williams sisters are out there making their mark in the sport. I don't really follow tennis but what little I do watch the only black players I've ever seen are the Williams sisters. Are there others of note?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Music online.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Pat, you are painting with a very old brush. There are many, many reasons for the absence of black players at the elite level. By its very nature it is not an urban game. Basketball has thrived. Tennis has thrived of late. The Williams sisters are a great story. Football continues to thrive. Baseball is losing its young black players at record rates and has begun programs to try and move the sport back on to the priority list. That has nothing to do with any sort of exclusivity.

For the record, there are literally thousands upon thousands of public golf courses and learning facilities around the country. The game is accessible if the interest is there to pursue it. The closest I ever got to country club golf was as a caddy in my early teens. We were entitled to play on Mondays free of charge back then.

Point is....the country club route is not available to most....regardless of skin color. It is far from the only path available to a career in golf. If the talent is there and the ambition to go with it, the game is every bit as accessible as all the other sports mentioned but may not be as convenient as the basketball courts, tennis courts or public school football or baseball facilities in urban neighborhoods. The average golf course requires a couple of hundred acres. I don't know of too many urban centers that have that sort of open space available or are willing to forego extensive development and subsequent tax implications to build inner city golf courses. That is an unfortunate reality.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, I guess Pat has already explained that Woods is as much Chinese as Thai and African American.

nb, you skipped over the part of a golfer's career that puts you in a position to be scouted for a university career in the first place. High school. I wonder how many inner city schools have golf teams or the extra cash to run them. The inner city school I taught at in Providence didn't have enough text books for every student in my history class. Golf wasn't on the radar. The only team sport the school could afford to run was basketball. The school didn't even have playing fields. Actually, I don't remember seeing a blade of grass in the neighborhood. Income level has to be recognized as a dis qualifier for certain sports. That's where the exclusionary factor for university does come into play. How many inner city golf courses do you know of in the US or Canada?


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Posted by:

Jack Straw

John Dawson just died. Founder and former leader of "New Riders Of The Purple Sage. Last year they reformed around Buddy cageand toured with John's blessing. I saw them at a BMW motorcycle rally and enjoyed the show.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: PGA Demographics (no musical content)

Perhaps most of today's tour professionals did play their junior golf at private clubs, but the exclusionary country clubs are only the indirect source pool for the tour. American colleges and universities are the direct source pool for the professional tours. Tour calibre players are produced there, not at the country clubs. One route onto the PGA tour is through the lesser Nationwide Tour (formerly the Nike and Hogan Tours), as its top 25 players advance each year to The Big Tour. The PGA "Qualifying School" tournament is still held each year and you can get yourself on the tour that way too, well, perhaps not "you" personally. "Q School", as it's known, is televised and I once saw an African-American player painfully just miss qualifying right at the end of the tournament.

The colleges and universities are really the pipeline to the tour though, as that's where you're swing-coached, swing-videoed, sports-psychologized, and taught to compete at a high level. And the schools aren't exclusionary in the sense that if you've got enough game, it's full scholarship time regardless of skin colour. The schools even recruit damn foreigners from all over the planet because, bottom line - they just wanna win. It's the American way- and I like it ! Hey, and they even take Canadians.

Now, the amount of money an individual needs in the first couple of "make-it-or-break-it" years as a touring pro (before he's cashing some decent cheques) is where the monied thing REALLY comes into play. (The expenses involved in touring are staggering and if you don't make the cut in an event, you earn zero for the week). If your family happens to be well-enough off that your junior golf was played at a private club, then of course you've got instant financial backing from your family as you head out on tour. Or at least some of what you'll need, anyway. If not, then you're running around with your hand stuck out looking for financial backers. Unlike Tiger, who had his $40 million dollar Nike contract in his back pocket before he hit his first shot on the PGA tour. NB

PS Tiger would be a better role model for kids if he'd stop dropping audible "F Bombs" as he plays. I bet Tom Watson never did this once in his career. Similarly, Nicklaus used to only say "Oh, Jaaaaack" when he hit a stinker.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin, I forgot to mention that Tiger Woods is a quarter Thai (Mom), a quarter African-American (Dad), a quarter Chinese (Mom), an eighth Native American (Dad), and an eighth Dutch (Dad). And there is one African American on the Legends Tour (Jim Thorpe, who I saw come in second the Western Open on a course that refuses women membership), none on the PGA Tour, and one on the Nationwide Tour.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin, like I said before, almost all pro golfers come out of the exclusive country club system which (in the US and Europe) is primarily moneyed and Caucasian. It's no coincidence that there are few African Americans on the Tour.

BTW, was that the best pitched game of all time today? Look at that White Sox lineup (backup catcher and first base, rookies and 2nd and 3rd, 1st year at short). Unreal.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Bob's Question

Bob: I neglected to mention Jackson Browne has the same great band he's had for a while: Mark Goldenberg on guitars, Mauricio Lewak on drums, Kevin McCormick on bass, Jeff Young on keyboards and vocals, plus vocalists Aleathea Mills and Chavonne Morris. He also invited guitar tech Manny Alvarez onstage to play second electric lead on one song. They were all excellent, though none had the sort of unique colorful style longtime sideman David Lindley brought to the mix. It was a really strong performance by all, though, and I'm happy I was there.

Jackson Browne has recently released two volumes of solo acoustic live performances, so it was a natural question to ask, Bob. Sorry I forgot to mention Mr. Browne's band in my previous post.


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Posted by:

Friend0

dunc, i've not read all the posts in between this and your question. You may have been anwwered already.But Lanois was the producer when the orgiinal tracks were cut. Whether or not he had any influence on what got played, or how it was tracked, how mikes were positioned, we don't know. But he may have. There may ( or may not) have been artistic collabration involved that benefitted the basic tracks some how ( i haven't read these interviews, etc) Or , even if he was just legally the producer then, that would also be enough to warrant him the co prodcution credit on later mixes that resulted from use of the source tapes or files.and yes money is involved too, because producers will ususally, not always, get a percentage of income earned from the exploitation of the sound recordings. In recording contracts exploitation is a frequent and positive word. You actually want to exploit the product as much and as beneficially as possible.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w: I am always open to being corrected and do hope that he is doing more than it appears……seems he might well be. Just surprising to a casual fan that there is not even one other black golfer after all this time.

Steve: How is being ½ Thai the same as being Chinese?


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, your analogy between Woods and Roy is a little lacking. Woods hasn't brought black kids to golf but Roy didn't bring french kids to hockey either, he just made playing goalie seem cool and influenced the way the position is played.

Besides, Woods is as much Chinese as he is black. When the Chinese flood into the game in a few more years we can credit him with that achievement.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Charlie, sounds like a great night of music. Is Jackson Browne out solo or performing with a band?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kev J, From everything I see and read he appears to be doing a great job with his charitable contributions. There is a long list of factors involved in the comparison you cited.

Check out the link.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Various Steam Packet bits turn up on dubious CDs sold in corner shops for 99p entitled "Rod Stewart The Early Years" or similar. The one I'm after though is Rod Stewart With The Soul Agents, which is slightly earlier. I saw them in the same tiny club as Manfred Mann, and Rod & The Soul Agents were phenomenal. He did "Walking To New Orleans" and every version since has disappointed me. There are tapes around. I've just never managed to get one.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Since they've both been mentioned here this week, I have to ask if Gordon Waller and Mickey Waller are brothers or something. Also, watching Steampacket on YouTube (see link), it's interesting to see Rod Stewart playing the role of a Blue Flame (or a Maytal) rather than the role of a James Brown or a Toots Hibbert. He certainly is good at it though (as of course is Julie Driscoll).


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The sodden woods below the Catskills

Subject: Jesse Colin Young

If there are any Jesse Colin Young fans around here, his '60's group "The Youngbloods" have a lip sync video on YouTube called "Grizzly Bear." Jesse explains the origin of the name of the song to host Dick Clark.

Serenity: Not trying to bum you out because I do enjoy your lists, but Don Drysdale died in Montreal back in 1993 (heart attack). Hard to say who was meaner on the mound, Drysdale or Bob Gibson. But off the field he was a fine person, by all reports.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks everybody

Thanks everybody. I've read Chronicles and enjoyed it. But I don't know if it tells you how much he did on the alternate takes. I'll re-read it. I'll settle for TTS disc 1 being a great piece of music.

Unusually for a weekday, Kevin, I am going out to a pub quiz tonight because an old mate who retired to Ireland and is a traditional musician is back visiting for two days.

Talking about Neil, I always wish that someone would re-engineer 'Landing On Water'. Did anyone else feel this?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: That was all about Neil's couple of lines in "Tears Are Not Enough". The video's worth watching for all sorts of reasons. Another neat bit is when Anne Murray assumes she's nailed her lines and is ready to go, but Foster has her record another take and another take and another take ... - before finally coming to the conclusion that yes, she really did nail it the first time.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Steve - The Song -

"Tears are not Enough" ........also applies if you are thinking about what Daniel Lanois might do to Neil Young....Band link Richard was there!


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I heard David Foster talking about working with Neil on a song in the studio. I missed the beginning of the interview so I'm not sure what song they were recording but Foster said he told Neil, " you sound flat". Neil said, man, that's my sound. Foster wanted him to try and hit the notes more precisely but Neil wouldn't change the sound. Foster said after Neil left he gave Neil's vocal the auto tune treatment without telling him. I didn't hear Neil's response. Wish I knew what song they were talking about.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Assorted..

PETER: Late with this response on "CrackerJack". I do remember Max Bygraves [have his music,love it] and Ronnie Corbett from the "2 Ronnies" Good TV show. I love English comedy, especially, "Are You Being Served?". Have quite a few vids of a few of them.

ARI S: Cute story on Bob Dylan. Thanx for link on ROBBIE and the R&R HOF. Haven't rec'd my Rolling Stone e-mail as yet, so haven't seen this article.

DUNC: What a beautiful home of Bob Dylans.

Birthdays today: Don Imus is 69, and pitcher Don Drysdale is 73.

Some trivia [I love trivia of all sorts] and a fun story you may like on baseball. I just had to pass it along from my e-mail inbox. I get a lot of goodies every day.

Classic Quotes by Raymond Chandler [birthday today](1888-1959) US writer

A good story cannot be devised; it has to be distilled.

A really good detective never gets married.

Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it.

Alcohol is like love. The first kiss is magic, the second is intimate, the third is routine. After that you take the girl's clothes off.

At least half the mystery novels published violate the law that the solution, once revealed, must seem to be inevitable.

Chess is as elaborate a waste of human intelligence as you can find outside an advertising agency.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cute story. Just had to share this:

Baseball team salutes pregnancy

NEW YORK (UPI) -- Expectant moms were the center of attention at New York's Brooklyn Cyclones' win over the somewhat confused Auburn, N.Y., Doubledays, observers said.

The team promoted Sunday night's game as "Bellies and Baseball: A Salute to Pregnancy Night," which involved pregnant women rounding the bases, throwing out the first pitch and singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the "seventh-inning stretch marks," the New York Daily News reported.

Among the expectant mothers in the crowd was Nicole Bartos, 30, who was experiencing labor pains and said her water might break during the game.

Diane Haussermann, 25, who is due to give birth Sept. 16, threw out the game's first pitch.

Among the festivities before the game, which the Cyclones won 2-1, was a Lamaze class in the middle of KeySpan Park that drew confused looks from the visitor's dugout, the Daily News said.

Copyright 2009 by United Press International

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I just read Uncut's Lanois interview and found it very clear and helpful. I especially like the line, "So, if we want to call that spontaneity, then let preparation be your friend." Good advice, not just in recording, and something that makes me think that putting Daniel Lanois and Neil Young in the studio together would yield interesting results. And keep in mind that if Lanois was a total pain then he wouldn't've been called back almost 10 years later for "Time Out of Mind".


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Dunc

It must be happy hour time in Scotland about now…….skip the alcohol….just read that Lanois interview Dunc….give your head two quick shakes and I guarantee that you will be happily wasted for the rest of the evening………….what complete gobbledygook……imagine having to spend months in the studio with this guy!!.........read Chronicles – much easier on the head……….


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Daniel and Dylan

Dunc if you want the definitive take on Bob's relationship with, Daniel Lanois, Dylan goes into some depth in his, Chronicles Vol 1, about working with Lanois, what Dylan got out of it and why he and other musicians want to work with Lanois. Time Out Of Mind won Dylan a Grammy for Album of The Year.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Tell Tale Signs

Dunc: UNCUT magazine interviewed Daniel Lanois last year about his work with Dylan. (link above)

Another interview with engineer Mark Harmon also sheds some light on the "Oh Mercy" and "Time Out Of Mind" sessions: http://www.uncut.co. uk/music/bob_dylan/special_features/12267


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Subject: Weird Guitar Guy

Weird guitar guy" 03-05-2007 11:30 Bob Dylan reportedly scared the children at his grandson's kindergarten after treating the class to a live show.The 'It 'Aint Me Babe' singer has allegedly been dubbed the "weird man" by children in the class, in the Los Angeles suburb Calabas, where his son Jakob Dylan's child attends.A source told the New York Post newspaper: "The kids have been coming home and telling their parents about the weird man who keeps coming to class to sing scary songs on his guitar.

"He's been visiting the school just for fun, but the kids don't appreciate they are in the presence of a musical legend."They just think of him as the weird guitar guy.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Jackson Browne

Like McCartney, Daltry and very few others, Jackson Browne remains one of the ageless wonders of music. His show last night here in Old Virginia was his first ever at Wolf Trap, a smaller venue than he used to play in the DC area (he mentioned playing at Meriweather-Post Pavilion in this area "for years"). His setlist was a good mix of old and newer stuff, a wise move which reminded me of Mr. Browne's guest spot on "The Simpsons" when he started a gig in Springfield by announcing "here's a new song," only to be greeted by a collective sigh from the crowd.

One crowd-pleasing moment came when he sang a song he co-wrote with Glen Frey, "Take it Easy," and used The Eagles faster arrangement rather than his own original sprawling one which originally featured the fine, distinctive lap steel work of former band member David Lindley. Another higlight was the last song of the show's second set, "Running on Empty," which was mentioned in a WASHINGTON POST story yesterday since the Republican National Committee lost a lawsuit brought on by Mr. Browne after the group used the song in anti-Obama advertising.

The first Jackson Browne concert I saw was a free one with Graham Nash, John Hall, Bonnie Raitt and John Sebastian, playing on the National Mall in DC 30 years ago, protesting nuclear power. John Hall, of course, is now a member of Congress, and Jackson Browne performed "I Am a Patriot" as his first encore, sounding as strong and sincere as ever.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Nux, the link has gone, as so often happens with links. I'm curious though.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Santana: I have seen the band twice - 23 years apart - and both were excellent shows. Bad shows can really stay with people though……

Tiger Woods: Patrick Roy was an NHL goalie who became a superstar in 1986. Within 10 years, 17 of 30 NHL starting goalies were French Canadian. Not just that, they all played his version of the butterfly style…….Tiger has been on the scene for 15 years and there has not been any mark left in terms an influx of black kids making it to the PGA tour……he has taken millions to build course in place like Abu Dhabi but very little that I can see to turn inner city kids in the USA and Canada onto golf. He could afford to build and subsidize 20 or 30 courses – I would imagine………no one ever seems to challenge him on this……….I read one time that David Duval is the only liberal on the tour. Apparently, the rest of the lot are Republicans………......Contrast and compare what Wynton Marsalis has done with his time and fame for music programs in the inner city and be happy most of us chose music as a passion over golf..........I do like John Daly's pants though!!!!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Simon says...

Mysteriously, John Simon later denied any official involvement with "Stage Fright" in an interview with Lee Gabites in 1999.

[Simon]: "I didn't have anything to do with 'Stage Fright' except that I lived a mile from where it was recorded, so I dropped in once in awhile and listened to the progress of things."

In that same interview, Mr. Simon also revealed that decades later, during the mixing stage of "Jericho", the members of The Band at that time decided to finnish the album without Simon's input in the final decision making process. He did, however, receive (co)production credit.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Dunc: I think you're allowing yourself to be talked out of a sound position. Producers are not just involved in adding layers and mixing multitracks post-recording; they're generally involved in recording decisions right from the start - who plays what, who plays when and who plays how. And often they have a say in which songs are going to be recorded (though likely not in Dylan's case). So even if Dylan stripped off all the extras, he's still left with a Lanois production (or co-production if he adds a bunch of other things or remixes very differently). If you read the recently archived article on "Stage Fright" (see link), you can see something similar. You have John Simon clearly having been involved in the recording and in mixing (if not the mix that was chosen in the end) but later neither receiving nor seeking much credit.


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Posted by:

Nux

Location: Durban
Web: My link

Subject: Ring of Fire

PETER VINEY Thought you might enjoy this unrehearsed jam session,filmed about 2 years ago


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: santana

I think santana are a bit like dylan: on an on night there's no-one better, but on an off night. Amigos is one of my favourite albums


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Posted by:

Peter V

Ages ago, I posted about seeing Hot Chocolate and Santana a few days apart in 1975. Hot Chocolate were brilliant, just a run of great songs, perfectly executed.

Santana on the other hand had their full stadium gear in a classical concert hall and were distorted, meandering, boring and one of the worst major bands I've ever seen live. But just last week, I was talking to someone about the best concerts we've ever seen and he said "Santana 1975" and it transpired we were talking about the same show in the same hall. But he also told me what he was on that night. It obviously made a big difference … like all those old Grateful Dead jokes!


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan's house

Bob owns one of the great Highland houses. This description relates to the house before he bought it.

Peter:Probably Hot Chocolate suffered from rock snobbery in terms of critical acclaim? But were very popular.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: David P

I had probably never thought about it deeply before, but I thought 'alternate take' meant another take done at the same time...like now we'll try this.

But what this means is that Daniel Lanois is getting production credits for tracks where he had no input at all. This will be because of legalities and money? You can see where I thought production was down to Lanois.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Equals

I've been playing The Equals quite a lot recently. There's a budget CD which is around with The Equals & The Foundations, but then I ran into a bunch of 45s … Baby Come Back, Viva Bobby Joe, Black Skinned Blue Eyed Boys, and at the time back in 1968 /69 I just thought they were chart stuff that I hummed along to, but in retrospect they were extremely good as well as being good fun. Hot Chocolate had a similar appeal, and were also very good live. Both "pre two-tone" groups.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Robbie is in the news alot for his preparation and listing as a organizer for the 25th anniversary of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Caravan - Golf Girl 1971


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: History

July 22 In 1376, according to German legend, a piper -- having not been paid for ridding the town of Hamelin of its rats -- led the town's children away, never to be seen again.

QUOTE from Rose Kennedy: "I'm like old wine. They don't bring me out too often, but I'm well preserved".

Take care and God Bless xoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Don Henley

LINK: Don Henley is 62 today. This is an oldie, but a goodie.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Sherman

LINK: To Bobby Sherman on "Shindig". Remember him and the show? Turns 66 today.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Pat B

I think it's pretty easy to differentiate between the fairly visionary PGA and the source pool of most golf professionals--the private club system.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Charlie, it should be noted that the PGA has donated over one billion dollars to varied charities since 1938. Even George Carlin would have to admit that's a pretty substantial commitment from the "elitists".


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Wolf Trap Farm Park for the Performing Arts

Subject: Wolf Trap and Bob Dylan's Putts

I'm sitting on the site of a former family farm here in Old Virginny, one which was donated by that wonderful Shouse family in order to create the first and only National Park for the performing arts. I've enjoyed this place many times over the years and tonight my brother and I have good seats (thanks to my brother) for Jackson Browne.

My daughter and I are going to see Dylan play with Nelson, Mellencamp and The Wiyos at a ball park in Norfolk on Saturday, but I'm surprised to hear Bob is a golfer. George Carlin did a great bit about how golf is an elitist sport (part of it said "F&#% Tiger Woods!) and we could solve homelessness in the USA by converting golf courses to homeless shelters.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Hey Bob W....I read somewhere that Bob Dylan plays golf at the Malibu Country Club & has a 17 handicap. Also...that he owns a home in Scotland...Nethy Bridge on the River Spey...right next door to a nine hole course.


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Posted by:

David P.

Dunc: Simply put, by remixing the multi-tracks, Dylan essentially removed Lanois production decisions, as PSB points out. By including multiple alternate versions on TTS, Dylan peels away various layers of Lanois' "steamy cauldron", reframing it in Dylan's keen lyrical & structural vision.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Peter S B

I'm getting there. I really like the simplicity of these mixes, but I like Shot of Love, where I'd read about how he made Bob work as you stated, and Time Out of Mind. I just always assumed if a producer is credited with production and then is given 'special thanks' at the end of the album then he must have put a lot into it.

Thanks. I'm always willing to learn.


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Lanois again

Dunc, To answer your confusion about the Tell Tale tracks, yes Lanois originally produced them. The difference is that these are not his final mixes. They were mixed later on in New York without all the extra stuff he usually adds to the mix.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks, Kevin, Bill M

That's a help, Kevin. But say the producer is one of the players... as on Mississippi, where Lanois plays great guitar. I always thought that Lanois or somebody in a similar role would be the 'director' at this point.

Bill M:I'm going to get Eddy Grant's greatest hits, if it has 'Baby Come Back' on it.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Dunc……..Production credits are a tricky area. What you are hearing on TTS is Dylan running through songs essentially at his direction with a group of players…this would be before Lanois added/interfered with the ambiance thing that PSB accurately described. Contrast this to a Mutt Lange production where M. Lange will dress you, feed you, sleep with your wife and just for the heck of it rewrite your songs before adding a sound that is more him than it ever will be you. The massive royalty cheques have a way of making everyone happy in the long run……….


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HECLA VLAURUS VETTING

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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I agree. A fabulous example of Tex-Mex, even though they were English.

The first CD I ever owned was Eddy Grant's Greatest Hits, which I won from a calypso radio show when I was the first to call in with the name of a song on the album. I of course said "Electric Avenue", which I'd thought was a metaphor for turning on until I stayed for a time in Brixton, whose tube station backs onto Electric Avenue. Oddly enough, I thought of Brixton earlier this week when Herb came in to the GB looking to once again satisfy his obsession with Peter V. Most days when I walked home from the station in Brixton I passed a guy who'd whisper, "Herb's man?"


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: This one's especially for you David P

I was playing songs like this when you were all into Big P. Great song though.

Better than Pearl and Teddy, Peter. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: There's much to admire in that long Dylan quote, (which reads more like part of an interview by email than phone, by the way) - clear, fluid, incisive, feeling but bloodless, critical without brutality, respectful, generous. If Lanois is the kind of person who's able to state his own views about the recording in a similar vein, that's the kind of Point - Counterpoint I'd pay to see.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Sorry

In the last post perhaps I should have written 'then the following albums are coming from a Dylan who is in a happier place'. Sorry.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: I'm lost, Kevin, Peter SB, David

Kevin, I agree with you that Disc 1 is really good.

When I look at the credits for disc 1 Daniel Lanois is credited with producing nine of the tracks, related to 'Time Out Of Mind' and 'No Mercy' . I'm seeing the recordings as other ways the tracks were recorded at the time. I think Mississippi, Red River Shore and Born In Time are beautiful tracks. Does he then not deserve credit for the production? As a non musician and non recording person, though big Dylan music player, what am I missing?

I like the last four Dylan albums, but particularly Modern Times and Love and Theft. I think if you didn't like Modern Times, you might not have enjoyed the last concert.

Is 'Time Out Of Mind', which I enjoy, not meant to be bleaker? Then the following albums are a celebration of Life.

Enjoying 'Together Through Life'.

I would recommend the two disc 'Tell Tale Signs' to fellow GBers.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Daniel Lanois

Deb - I'm with you, another of his that I found downright silly was Teatro by Willie Nelson, although I have to say that the idea of those 2 together sounded very interesting to me so I bought it straightaway. But it's deep pretension not deep ambiance to me - imagine Daniel Lanois with Lefty Frizell or the Louvins.

I remain of fan of DL too, we saw him in a small place about 15 years ago and it was transcendent.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Steampacket

Bill M: The great Mickey Waller was the Steampacket drummer. They were a "blow any band off the stage" line up, and Driscoll & Stewart in full flight were a sight to behold.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: errata

I'm getting careless in my semi-retirement. The quotes should have read "He's not above smashing guitars" and "I thought too highly of the expressive meaning...".


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Too ordinary for Lanois...

A perfect example of Lanois' methodology involves the song "Mississippi", an outtake from the "Time Out Of Mind" sessions that Dylan later recut for "Love and Theft". Explaining why he reworked the song, Dylan told David Fricke in Rolling Stone (9/10/01):

"If you heard the original [Lanois] recording, you'd see in a second. The song was pretty much laid out intact melodically, lyrically and structurally, but Lanois didn't see it. Thought it was pedestrian. Took it down the Afro-polyrhythm route -- multirhythm drumming, that sort of thing. Polyrhythm has its place, but it doesn't work for knifelike lyrics trying to convey majesty and heroism...Maybe we worked too hard on other things, I can't remember, but Lanois can get passionate about what he feels to be true. He's not about smashing guitars. I never cared about that unless it was one of mine. Things got contentious once in the parking lot. He tried to convince me that the song had to be 'sexy, sexy and more sexy.' I know about sexy, too. He reminded me of Sam Phillips, who had once said the same thing to John Prine about a song, but the circumstances were not similar. I tried to explain that the song had more to do with the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than witch doctors, and just couldn't be thought of as some kind of ideological voodoo thing. But he had his own way of looking at things, and in the end I had to reject this because I though too highly of the expressive meaning behind the lyrics to bury them in some steamy cauldron of drum theory. On the performance you're hearing [Love and Theft version], the bass is playing a triplet beat, and that adds up to all the multirhythm you need, even in a slow-tempo song. I think Lanois is an excellent producer, though."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thanks for setting me straight on Cabbages. I guess that, post "White Rabbit", a reference to Lewis Carroll was a quick way to establish hipness - something that C&J may have felt they needed, having allowed themselves to be the designated English longhairs in a number of US sitcoms of the '60s.

Thanks also for the CDs from years past. The Davy Graham is remarkable in any case, but especially as there was no takes or overdubbing. And today's listening is the Pavillion comp: I still think Baldry/Driscoll/Stewart's desperate "Don't Do It" runs rings around other versions. Who is that drummer?


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Posted by:

Pat B

dlew, none of the software in that studio would run on Fatboy's Atari. And I believe Fatboy's sound is based on hardware samplers.


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Lanois and Tell Tale

Kevin, agree with you on Lanois,and also on your comments on "Love And Theft." His productions are about him. He was important on "Oh Mercy" because he made Bob work, or maybe focus would be more accurate. One of the things that makes "Tell Tale Signs" interesting is that while Lanois produced the original sessions, the mixes for the most part on the album are not his, so you get a good idea of what the songs would have sounded like without the trademark Lanois ambiance. It is quite obvious that "Time Out Of Mind" for instance, could have been an entirely different record. The reason there are no outtakes from "Love & Theft" is that apparently they simply do not exist.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Steve's On Another Membership Drive Again

I'm shocked to see that the"I'M FAR FROM CHARMED BY STEVON FARM" fan club (with its already huge membership) has sent the head man himself out today to recruit even more members. NB


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Ilkka!

Sorry Ilkka for the misspelling of your name. Typing fast.

Bye,

J.F.


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Posted by:

Deb

Kevin, I agree with you on Daniel Lanois as a producer, although I like his solo work. "Wrecking Ball" is my least favorite Emmylou Harris album, although it won a Grammy and critics (and most people I know loved it). I've always thought it should be titled "Daniel Lanois owes me $15."


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Carmen, wish I had more time to comment further on Kings of Leon, but I just don't see The Band's influence on them. I know people are influenced in different ways -- just MHO. Love their story. Think it would make a great movie. Well, OK, made for TV movie. Music is pretty good/lyrics (as most lyrics by groups today are, unfortunately, weak). Mr. Steve is a fan but I'm not -- I can listen to them as they are better than Coldplay. Good thing I didn't have more time . . . 8-)

Illka, gotta love those German cars and the Niedersachsen dude!

I'm off to the ATL. Play nice everyone and welcome back to our old friends from BFB!

J.F.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Dunc.......Todd

Dunc: Glad to hear you are enjoying Tell Tale Signs. Disc 1 is just great listening. Interesting though that I differ with you on Daniel Lanois. It wasn’t until Dylan decided to produce himself with “Love and Theft” that we saw a return to a master work…….note that what makes Tell Tale Signs great is the arrangements of songs that Lanois decided not to use. There is little or no material from the golden Jack Frost era. The press fell all over themselves in praising the Lanois albums but they are two that I almost never listen to…..I have listened to Tell Tale Signs more in the last year than I have either of Time out of Mind or Oh Mercy…….As to “Together Through Life” – stick to 6 songs (1, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10) and it is as good as it gets – the most played music in my life over the last month.

Todd: You might find the above link interesting! Who knew "Can't Hardly Wait" could have had horns!


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: 1.) Empty Forever? 2.) Niedersachsen Dude and German cars

1.) Every 14th day or so I check if EMPTY NOW is blowing my mind here... (Nope). 2.) Whether Porsche will buy VW or VW will buy Porsche, our NIEDERSACHSEN DUDE will pay for this family feud :)))))))))))))))))))


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

sorry bob if i mis-read your post.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Have a wonderful day everyone. He's all yours.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, and as Bob said, " There are no other explanations". Remember he's a close personal friend of Watson so has no doubt spoken to him since the tournament ended and Watson probably said, Bob, I had nothing left in the tank at the end, there is no other explanation.


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Posted by:

Steve

NB, a word of advice on your future retirement career. If you want a shot at the top of the leader board get in there before The Tiger's knees have get replaced and he really becomes the ultimate golf machine. As Watson showed last weekend once you start replacing body parts your game ratchets up a notch or two, so get to the tour while Woodie is still beatable.

By the way, I'm recommending you maintain your GB handle when you golf. With Norther Boy joining The Tiger on the tour the PGB will start to achieve a World Wrestling Federation cache(eh) that will bring in even better TV ratings. If Norman gets some body parts replaced and comes back to the big circuit, advertisers would be drooling at the thought of a tournament with the Headline , THE SHARK VS THE TIGER VS NORTHERN BOY. Actually the new,"Body Parts Replacement Tour" would out draw and out money the Skins games. Skins, Ha! We're talking, spleens, livers (AKA The Daly, Open Bar,Open) hips, knees and of course you'd bring a whole new dementia to the game as the tours first living brain donor.

Now if all this should come to pass, you'll have to reveal your real name to Bob, so he can drop it at social functions. If he tells people he's a close personal friend of Northern Boy the non golfers might think he's friends with a race horse earning him very little added coolness.

Brien while you're right of course about that putt, don't try and tell Bob anything about the game, he's seen millions of hours of the game on TV.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Brien, if you read my post I believe I referred to him as having nothing left in the tank AFTER the difficult finish which would have included the miss on eighteen. The last thing I need in this life is the likes of Steve putting words in my mouth.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, in 1958 and 1959 Pearl Carr & Teddy Johnson provided "comedy and song" on Crackerjack when it started, but I don't know whether they compered it. Maybe so, as I vaguely see them speaking to camera a lot. My main memory brings up Eamonn's smiling face (ex-boxer, hence the scar on his lip).

I did lights on Pearl Carr & Teddy Johnson for twelve weeks (they were way down the bill by then). They did Sing Little Birdie, then they dressed up as Pearly King & Queen for a Cockney medley then they did something else equally awful which thankfully I can't remember.

For our North American readers, they had the Eurovision song contest entry in 1959 with Sing Little Birdie and came, I think, second.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Lloyd Loar: Guitar maker

thought some of you might be interested in this article on one of the great interwar music instrument development...


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Sometimes you just miss a putt. It could have been all that adrenaline - and there's always that in those pressure moments no matter what age. I don't think it had anything to do with nothing in the tank - not on the last putt. On a drive maybe or long iron but not on a putt. And not that I'm speaking from "that kind of experience" but having played competitively in my younger days (lettered in HS and played in college), I can tell you that even after a 95+ heat day round, exhausted walking up 18 -when the match is on the line on that last putt - it's adrenaline and how you harness it rather than exhaustion AnD even when you think you have a handle on the emotions of the moment and you are completely locked in on focus - you can simply miss a putt. I know - I've made them and missed them.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Yes, Steve. You are correct. You have it all figured out. You are special. You are endorsed. You are!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Fat Boy Slim

Not a big fan (I hate 'musicians' who use other people's stuff, though, in all fairness, he puts it all together tastefully at times), but does all his stuff on an Atari 128 kb machine. so, the machine in the studio itself is probably sufficient.


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Posted by:

Steve

Ya Bob, you just can't putt a ball 6 feet when you're running on empty. It wasn't that he got lucky for a few rounds, he just ran out of gas. Woods musta run out of gas before he ever got going, maybe his fuel gauge is defective.

My favorite "athlete" on that circuit is the chain smoking , over weight, Mexican fellow who won one of those tournaments ( the US Open?)last year.

nb, that was an unidentified flying object. When you spoke to Weir did you ask him what he thinks his chances of ever winning another major are? Even if he doesn't win he's got a great gig as filler on the tour, somebody has to make the winner look good. Maybe Weir should take up smoking and throw in a couple of Daly's pregame shooters. With golf you never know what will up the level of your play.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various, including quiz question

Peter:Remember on Crackerjack the singing of that week's hits fitted around a pantomime type sketch at the end of each show. The script writers and Peter Glaze must have worked under some pressure. There's now an argument in this house. Did Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson front Crackerjack before Eamomn Andrews or am I imagining this?

Bob W:I was disappointed that Watson never won. Arguably, it would have been one of the greatest sporting achievements of all time.

Steve:Arran is easy to get to from here compared to say Skye or Mull. The garden is finished. Hope Angus is fine.

Recording. In my 'review' of Levon's album I said that the album was done with integrity. It looks a pretentious statement, but I feel Levon's last two albums were done with care. I felt cheated in the past when I read about bands and individuals (who I liked) not caring about an album they were making, shoving on a couple of fillers etc.

Kevin and anybody:I bought 'Tell Tale' signs two disc version and am really enjoying the musicianship, which may be due a lot to Daniel Lanois. I would recommend this album.

Topical quiz question. Digital or analogue. What is the highest selling digitally recorded song in Europe? Clue:I've worded this carefully.

Joan:Hope you are well. Keep up the good fight.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Go Ask Alice …

Bill M, I'd never thought about Chad & Jem being related to Eamonn Andrews' kids show, Sadly it's less interesting. Like The Beatles in December that year, they were quoting Lewis Carroll!

The time has come," the Walrus said,

"To talk of many things:

Of shoes, and ships, and sealing-wax

Of cabbages, and kings--

And why the sea is boiling hot

And whether pigs have wings."



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Posted by:

Pat B

A million dollar studio centered on a six year old Mac G4. That's bizarre. My kids' laptops have more power.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Bob, the ad didn't say it doesn't have analogue. BTW, I'd imagine there are a decent representation of Studers, etc for sale on the West Coast. You putting in your ten cents?



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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Kay Starr

LINK: To Kay Starr singing, "Wheel Of Fortune". Remember her? She turned 87 today.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

bob w.

Sorry Jeff. I see it is digital. Hmmmmm.


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Posted by:

bob w.

I have to ask.....analog or digital?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Got Deep Pockets?

Sonoma Mountain Studio Estate Penngrove, CA USA
Buy It. Move In. Hit the Record Button.
Studio – Exceptional Value -
• 6-building gated compound w/9 fireplaces, 9 bathrooms on 9 acres
• 1800 feet up Sonoma Mountain facing the Pacific Ocean
• World-class recording studio featured in MIX magazine & disguised as a New England horse barn.
• Includes state-of-the art studio electronics & equipment and the latest
version of ProTols digital recording system and a Neve mix desk.
• Studio features a lobby lounge, main studio, 2 isolation rooms, control
room, machine room, producer’s suite & large deck w/retractable awning overlooking the valley & sunset w/distant ocean views Estate -
• Complex includes the main residence + 2 guest houses w/a total of 12 TV
• 25 telephones, 11 refrigeration units, and 4 kitchens
• Theater & Entertainment Suite in a separate building
• Tennis court & accoutrements including a ball machine, sweeper
• Large pebble-bottom heated outdoor pool & whirlpool spa
• A Gazebo w/ceiling fan & lighting
• Award-winning landscaping w/multiple gardens & natural stone paths,
stairs & walls • Exquisite interior design, furnishings, & hand-crafted wood workings throughout studio & residential buildings
• 3 wells & latest water purification, softening & pressure systems
• Fiber optic wiring between buildings
• Alarm systems throughout
• Revenue $100,000 to $300,000 monthly

irene dekker real estate, linked above

asking 5.5 million


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Posted by:

Carmen

Real Good Music - Kings of Leon Because of The Times - interested in BAND fans opinions on this one


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Paul McCartney

LINK: Paul on Dave Lettermen. Enjoy!!

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: La Jolla

NB, I'm afraid Tom had nothing left in the tank after that difficult finish. With five previous Open titles there's no other explanation. Still a great story and an amazing effort.

If you did make it to La Jolla you could enjoy the charms of Torrey Pines (if you haven't already) and save the Whispering Pines for another time.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Bob W. / A Chacun Son Gout (no musical content, neither digital nor analogue)

Thanks for the link re: Ridge Watson. Quite interesting. We have a pretty good wine area here in BC ourselves, the Okanagan and we did enjoy the Napa Valley, particulary the Robert Mondave vineyard. T.W is a class act from head to toe. To me he is the modern-day embodiment of the spirt of Bobby Jones. For him to get all the way to the playoff before losing speaks volumes. I thought he'd be out of it by the turn and I'd be out cutting the lawn by then.

As it turns out, I'd be in La Hoya, Ca in mid-October for a family gathering and could maybe get to Ridges's winery myself were it not for the fact that my Pittsburgh Steeler-crazed wife has somehow landed Row1 tickets behind the Steelers bench for an early November game in Denver. For me this will be a massive yawn session so perhaps I'll bring a book to read during the game. Just ordered Whispering Pines so maybe I'll take that.

During the last PGA event in Vancouver we stayed in the same hotel as the players and actually hung out with some of them. Because we booked in there early, our room was on one of the player floors so we had access to their private lounge. Talked to Aaron Baddely in the elevator and Mike Weir in the underground parking, but I'd trade all that in to have met "Huck Finn" the way in which you did. Now there's an experience to cherish for a lifetime, as Tom's a bona fide legend. I was fortunate enough to get to see him play in the 1970's in a small-field event in Toronto when he was in his prime. His "first prime" that is, seeing as he just about won the British Open last week. Now if I were a farmer who sees flying saucers over his barn then perhaps my golf commentary here could've been a little more insightful and informative Bob, but I'm not so I've just tried to do the best I can in the hope that you'll forgive me for any shortcomings in what I've written. As soon as I retire, it's back to Ireland and Scotland for more links golf for me. Turnberry here I come ! Thanks again. NB


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I thought so Joan but I thought I'd ask. I sincerely hope you're that much closer to getting to a Ramble as you've stated before. Your spirit is strong and so you'll be stronger physically day by day.....Here's hoping!

For Joan in case you missed it. From in my dreams to youtube.....Here's Rick from the One Heart Festival San Francisco.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Hey Steve, have you picked out your ascot yet?


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Is it as Disney says a small world after all...

or is Joe Jackson right singing that it's a big world?

anyhow, I just saw & heard The Weight being sung in Japanese. Some concert footage, a couple of Japanese rappers were involved too.


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey Bob, just in case you fell asleep near the end, and who could blame you, that old guy with the artificial whatever it was fell apart at the end, as did his play, I hear. They say he aged rapidly in the playoff round. It was visible and quite shocking. Give him my best next time he calls.

Dunc your timing was great. Two days after you mentioned the Isle of Arran I heard an interview with the author of Kenneth Grahame's most recent biography, from her home on The Isle Of Arran. An even stranger coincidence happened as I'm typing this post. A guy on the radio quoted the " messing about in a boat" line from The Winds In The Willows as I was typing Grahame's name.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Does the Crackerjack cabbages thing have anything to do with the title of Chad and Jeremy's "Of Cabbages and Kings" LP? Also, did you follow Serenity's link to the clip of "I Go To Pieces"? What about that Gordon's attempt to do a little Presley hip-shake at the start! Anyway, much as I like IGtP, I think my fave P&G song is their cover of Betty Harris' "Cry To Me".

Speaking of Nashville session guitarists, a visit to the sacred vinyl store on Friday yielded the Kelly Jay's pre-Crowbar 45, "Curlers And Cream" / "Got To Get Myself Together". The first is a pleasant Bobby-pop song written by Fred Carter, who I suspect produced the session (which Kelly told me - in maybe '77 - had been recorded in Nashville). The flip side is a rocker, so, not having heard of writer Ray Pennington, I assumed it was by some anonymous local guy. Not at all the case, it turns out; as I'm sure David P could tell us, Pennington seems to have had a long career in Nashville, as a writer and performer. Kelly Jay, by the way, did an even earlier 45, in '61 or '62, and before that was in Larry Lee and the Leesures, who worked the same circuit as Hawkins and the Hawks, who had rooms in the same Toronto hotel, and whose first album ('62, post-Kelly) included a couple of songs from the Hawkins playbook - songs that the Hawks had recorded with Henry Glover but that weren't released until the 1965 "Best of Ronnie Hawkins" LP.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Re Jim Dickinson: He and the rest of the Dixie Flyers were, if I'm not mistaken, the backing band for Ronnie Hawkins' second Cotillion LP in '70 or '71, one of the ones where he did "Lady Came From Baltimore". If there are any budding Hawkins completists on either side of the border, among the things that will drive to you distraction is that the US version of that album used the cover from Hawkins' last pre-Cotillion Canada-only LP (shorter hair, trimmer beard, so not so threatening I suppose) and that the Canadian version of the album dropped two tracks - "Lonely Weekends" and "Patricia" - recorded with Dickinson and co. and replaced them with the same songs recorded with Atkinson, (Terry) Danko, Ford, Hilton and Brockie. A tighter group would be hard to find.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Just don't mention Turnberry, Dunc.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Crackerjack Link

The "cabbage contest" was called Double or Drop. See link.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Peter & Gordon

The show they're playing on in the great video Serenity linked is Crackerjack. It was Childen's TV, 5pm several days a week with the odd pop group. The highlight of the show was a quiz where kids answered questions and had to hold all the prizes until they dropped a prize then they were out. Every other prize was a large cabbage. You think I'm joking … I'm not! Dunc? Rush to my assistance here. Many bands of that era performed on it.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Amanda

Amanda: Thanks for the information on Jim Dickinson. He produced one of my all time favorite albums - The Replacements "Pleased to Meet Me" - a great work from a great band at its peak. I have never heard another album that sounded quite like it.....sadly, another case of someone getting sick in a land without a proper health care system....the indignity of having to have a benefit concert to pay for a heart operation - sad.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Jim Dickinson

It's so sad that somebody as important as this has to have a benefit concert. He performed and produced some great music.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

Hi BEG, As the crow flies I'm about 20 miles from Midtown Manhattan. By train it takes 45 minutes non rush hour. The town I live in is called Port Washington. Its on the North Shore of Long Island.

There is always something going on musically, but since I'm a bit hung up by my physical problems, I don't get to too much.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Peter & Gordon...and Buddy

Serenity: I loved that live clip of Peter & Gordon performing "World Without Love." I wonder which show that was. There was apparently a decent studio band playing anonymously behind them. I know "Shindig" had some good players including Leon Russell.

The thing that struck me visually was Peter Asher's Buddy Holly-style glasses, fitting since the author of the tune, Paul McCartney, was always such a Buddy Holly fan. It's amazing how artists as diverse as Peter & Gordon and The Band could both find significant influence from Mr. Holly.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Yikes!! I just made a mistake....I would also add "Violet Eyes" on Levon's "American Son". But still....BHOBH is my absolute fave. If I want to hear about a China Girl I'd rather listen to David Bowie and Iggy Pop's song. Although I think they're singing about different things here. lol In anycase I paid huge bucks for the import years ago. I did purchase "Dirt Farmer" at Rochester's House Of Guitars but really only dig two songs so when "Eclectic Dirt" came out I just downloaded my two faves. Also The Big Pink CD in the store is up with Rick Danko's signature.

Sebastian: I wonder why Jan H hasn't put up Robbie's latest photos that I sent to him and shared on this site?


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Posted by:

warzinski @joenet

Location: WYANO, PA,,USA

Subject: hecla jamboree

HECLA SLATE DUMP FLOWERS IMAGE


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

imagezulu and I really enjoyed "Cadillac Records" as well. He really liked Little Walter of course. If ya want air conditioning in your car.....ya just take out the doors!...Listening right now to "Everything's Gonna Be Alright". ;-D Truth be told imagezulu is so into Muddy that sometimes first thing in the morning he's got him blaring away. I thought Howlin' Wolf was portrayed so well and yes...I also was very surprised at what Beyonce brought to the project. So much so that I think I'll buy the soundtrack.

Anything music wise happening in NYC this weekend besides the Bluezz Cruise with Los Lobos? You're not close to Manhattan are you Joan?

Wow....Last night I had Rick Danko in my dreams. I even tried to do his laundry but one of his look-a-like friends told me not to as Rick was 53 and could do his own laundry! LOL

I was also pleasantly surprised with Johnny Depp's latest "Public Enemies".

I downloaded the following Michael Jackson tunes...
Scream with Janet Jackson
You Are Not Alone
I Want You Back with The Jackson Five
I still remember the movie "Ben" about all those rats.

Best and only song I really dig on Levon's "American Son" is.......Peter Stone Brown knows......"Blue House Of Broken Hearts". I really like when he sings ballads. He makes you believe that his heart can be broken. I was never into the whole "Americana" thing so that's why Robbie's solo work resonates more with me. Even The Band songs....The songs that move me are the ones that aren't specifically about "Americana". I can appreciate the writing and singing of "TNTDODD" but it's never been a song that I can relate to. IMND and WP and TW....yes!

Listening now to one of Robbie's faves.....Little Willie John.

Hi Peter....ohhh....now it's Little Walter singing "I'm just your fool"....all thanks to imagezulu.....He's so full of the bluezzz.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Ian Curtis one was a very good movie in itself. I’ve been listening to Etta all day, which brings up that digital thing again. Last night after hearing Beyonce in full digital power on 5.1 surround, my Chess CD (early Chess CD) sounded thin. But not having the Cadillac Records OST and listening just to Etta today, it’s hard to believe she can be bettered. Probably not (I’ll pick up the Cadillac Records OST soon … it’s at low budget prices)., but DVD gives you the lot … picture, surround sound, volume. Whatever, she made a very good job of it, and probably boosted Etta’s bookings too.

The Phil Spector one would be the natural follow-up, with Beyonce as Ronnie Spector. She even has those almond shaped eyes for the riole. Let’s hope she does it. It’s a great part.

I saw Mick Ronson play before he was a Spider from Mars.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The Ian Curtis portrayal was as close to perfection as one can get in a biopic. The Charlie Parker take in Bird (Forest Whitaker) was very good also. I’m afraid the next big treatment might be the Wall of Sound man – it has everything producers like to hear about in a 15 minute pitch……..my wish list would include a movie on Mick Ronson…..


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Etta on Beyonce

Etta was not happy.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Biopics

Biopics … yes, I’d agree with Northern Girl and rate Cadillac Records over Ray. But I’d rate Ray over Beyond the Sea (mainly because the latter missed out all Bobby Darin’s best stuff). I thought it was as good as I Walk The Line, which is high praise indeed. It’s got a lot of story, which helps, plus terrific music. The Chuck Berry bits were a bit glossed over. And where was Bo Diddley? But I reckon it’s an enjoyable film to watch.

Much more politely than Etta, P.P. Arnold is known to launch into Rod Stewart, with a “Let me tell Rod Stewart, the first cut IS the deepest …”. I thought Beyonce would come out like Diana Ross did as Billie Holiday (i.e. not as good as the original), but no, she hit it with full power and really took it home.

So who’s next for the treatment?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Cadillac Records

Ditto for us Peter. We both enjoyed it considerably, despite it (surprisingly) doing so poorly in North American theatres and receiving poor reviews. If "Ray" (which I own) is a better music flick, it isn't better by that much of a margin. Northern Girl actually prefers "Cadillac Records" over "Ray". I guess Ray Charles is a household name so people went to the theatres for that one, but Muddy Waters, not so much. Beyonce's presence should have drawn in the younger crowd but didn't I guess. She was indeed great.

Careful you don't praise Beyonce too highly though Peter, or you'll be on Etta's hit list, and Etta as you know, has a sewer mouth on her that would make Roz sound like a kingergarten teacher. A professional blues singer friend of mine saw Etta a few months ago in a casino venue in Vancouver, and though she only did about eight songs, she said Etta was terrific. I think the film "Cadillac Records" would be quite worthwhile for anyone here who's not seen it. NB


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The above link to the great Argument Clinic courtesy of the Flying Circus – thanks Bill M……… next up Golf – digital vs analog!!!

BFB remains a mythical place that I have never been able to find……Google only brings up a chance to hear Rick sing which is never a bad thing but I keep thinking that I am missing out on a great after hours bar where all the folks have access to wicked drinks and tell wild wild stories……......Steve was nice eneough to provide a hint as to its location a year or so ago but I never did figure it out......


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, your painful need to rehash that boondoggle in any way you can--note your Hallmark Card exchange with Amanda--will go unsatisfied here.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cadillac Records

On the Muddy Waters theme, I finally got to see Cadillac Records last night. It was released on DVD here yesterday. Adrien Brody (Leonard Chess), as in The Pianist and The Darjeeling Limited, was brilliant. Eamonn Walker as Howlin’ Wolf radiated power too.

I didn’t think Jeffrey Wright nailed Muddy Waters though. While The Wolf would intimidate 99.9% of people, I have the impression Muddy would have been in the remaining 0.01%. They showed him coming to England in 1967, when I saw him. The real Muddy radiated charisma, dignity and power to a degree that transcended the music and which was tangible in the front row of the audience standing by the stage (where I was). The Jeffrey Wright version was a bit of a poseur with a bad-tempered grimace.

To be pedantic, No Particular Place To Go doesn’t fit in 1957, and was one of the two post-prison hit singles here. Considering it was mentioned yesterday, it was weird to see Chuck listening to Surfin' USA on the radio and exclaiming 'That's Sweet Little Sixteen'.

The huge surprise was Beyonce as Etta James. The DVD cover says she “burns off the screen” and she really does. After we’d watched her, I played some original Etta James, and I think Beyonce actually does it better. That was a major shock. I’ll now raid the CDs my daughter left here and play some Beyonce / Destiny’s Child.


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Posted by:

joe j

What happened? Fued flare up again while I was away? Not necessarily a bad thing. May even be therepeutic. A little shocked to see the venom over at BFB. They're usually a very laid back lot with much better manners than this scurrilous crowd. Maybe it's the weather. Could be the economy. Swine flu?

Electric Dirt was waiting when I got home and I've given it a couple of metaphoric spins. It's growin. You know my fears about 'Stuff You Gotta Watch' were unfounded. It's a great arrangement.

Blues Night at the Lodge on Thursday, open house at Chez Jennings on Friday. You're all invited of course. If you can't make it you can still make a donation. Cash appreciated.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: You & Me & rain on the roof

Quentin Tarantino had a radio programme on last week called Quentin Tarantino’s Jukebox. He has a room at home set up like a record store with browsing bins in categories for 7” and 12”, and has sections like “Surf Music” and “Horror Soundtracks” and has at least four country sections with distinctions that he described, like “old country”. I’d love to have that.

Anyway, Tarantino waxed eloquent on vinyl, and said that he only used the actual records from his own collections on film soundtracks. This was because he conceived the films while playing the records, and he said the hiss and scratches were an integral part of the sound he was hearing. However, he didn’t say hisses and scratches were a good thing, just that he wanted the soundtrack to sound like a record being played on a jukebox. Hiss is part of the nostalgia industry.

As an analogy, an interview in one of the rock mags described a Nevada hotel. You rent a room with a large old American car in it, and you can have rain on the roof if you want. Making out in a car would have little nostalgic appeal for the British, who lived in the days of the Austin Mini. But apparently it’s popular with middle-aged couples in America re-living their youth. Like the hiss and scratches it’s a nostalgia exercise. But is it necessarily a better experience?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat, while you refuse to admit that it could happen to you, people can be wrong.

Back about a month ago, you made your infamously mistaken statement "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio." During your epic refusal to admit that you were mistaken you wrote "I write exactly what I think".

BTW, you obviosuly knew exactly to what I was referring. And I wasn't here 8 years ago.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

LINK: This was my fave from Peter and Gordon. Love it... Take care and God Bless xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Peter and Gordon

LINK:A tribute to Peter and Gordon. It's a mixture of artists, but the song is there to listen to.

Not a bad vid. These guys were good. I'm going to post another goodie next. CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Phil

Location: Ca

Subject: FriendO Pat B

FriendO, we get that you don't like digital recordings. We also get that Pat B likes to record in the digital domain. Let's move along now. Thanks


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Posted by:

Friend0

Cmon Pat, "Does tape actually capture sound better by introducing hiss? Or do you like music better when tape hiss accompanies it? " that is prety weak.

I like the way analogue recording sounds. I;ve recorded plenty of analogue without tape hiss. The only time i really have it is the one tme the friggin engineer left an empty track open when we mixed. It was my second mixing session ever. The first and only time I mixed with this engineer and I did n't enjoy working with him. We ended up with a very good mix, but it was an effort to deal with him. The one mistake I overlooked that night was his leaving the track open.

anyway, that is my only track with tape hiss. What I actually meant was that becAuse tape hiss is symptomatic of analogue, it ha s a good association for me. If I know the tape hiss I hear at the beginning of something i'm familair with means that I'm gonna hear a great song that sounds great, I;m happy to hear that tape hiss.

Obviosuly I dont enjoy the sound of digital recording.Let me listen to a mix, or a master, or a cd, being told there was no error involved I can tell if it was recorded digital or analogue right off. Buying a cd, or hearing a cd, without the knowledge there were no mastering or manufacturing errors, The only unknown for me- when i hear something that sounds poor, not only do i figure it was recorded digitally, but, in that case and also if it sounds decent, but not great, I wonder if it may have been recorded well and analogue but fucked up by the cd factory. Happens all the time.



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Posted by:

Pat B

With FTP protocols and better dithering, digital errors are truly few and far between. I can safely say we haven't had a complaint since DAT disappeared. That's at least 5 years ago.

I doubt anyone can argue with your evident point that anything is possible.

Does tape actually capture sound better by introducing hiss? Or do you like music better when tape hiss accompanies it?

You also keep repeating that I mean what I write and that I think I'm right. Could we have a show of hands: does anyone post things they don't mean? Does anyone post anything assuming they are wrong? Jeff, do you?

Okay, over eight years ago I said Bush and Gore weren't very different, and that although I preferred the pothead over the drunk coke hound, I didn't care much. I was wrong.

Jeff, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree on digital vs. analog.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Amanda Darling, you are more than welcome for that link to Garth's interview. Maud and Garth sure come across as though they are at home where ever they are, don't they. Maybe that is cause they are home so infrequently the last coule years, long as they are together and making music they are home.



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Posted by:

Friend0

Sonofabitch, we crossed again. And there i was thinking you mellowed. Nope! But you should go back and read your intial response to my statement that there is a high error rate working with digital files. BTW, I meant that to be inclusive of 1) sending file,2) transferring in the same studio 3) burning discs or masters, 4) other. Now yoo may try to claim tha your first answer was not an answer, because you said there is no loss. But you certainly were answering my statement,. Maybe you tried to do it in a round about way, but you did mean to answer my statement.

Lots of kinds of errors pat. You know it and I know it. in your initial response to my error statement, you referred to no digital loss of sound. Loss is just one kind of error. But of course, you can consider altering time ,(which alters key and pitch,and is a very common digital error)) a loss of sound. Because it is a loss of accuracy of sound.



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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Serenity: I thank you for the tip on Assembly of Dust. It's a dumb name for a band, but if David Grisman and Bela Fleck are on their disc, it's worth checking out even without the comparison to The Band.

I was sorry to hear about the passing of 64-year-old Gordon Waller of Peter and Gordon fame. I remember buying 45 rpm discs by that duo, and then seeing Peter Asher's name turn up on a lot of 1970s Southern California albums. It's funny to think that Peter and Gordon's song "Lady Godiva" could have ever been considered controversial given the fact most teens now are regularly exposed to obscene hip hop recordings that would make Lady Godiva blush.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat, we crossed in the posting times. And the nice words regarding your career are sincere. YOu didn't build your business being lazy, or sloppy. That's for sure. But we can defintiely disagree on sound. You are entitled to think digital sounds better, I'm entitled to think analogue sounds better. We ain't gonna agree on it.

Far as you sounding better with digital, it is possible you don't , but think you do. Orof course, it is very possible you do. Maybe you weren't a great anolgue engineer but are a great digital engineer. It could happen you know. Nothing wrong with that.

Me, I love the sound of a little tape hiss. I'm not joking. But I will run at 15 IPS to avoid it as much possible too.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, I've never argued that any medium is without error.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hey Pat, I don't mean to short change you. I negelected to mention all the prestigious corporate clients that you have. You certainly have carved out a very admirable niche as a sound engineer and producer in the corporate, documnetary film, and commercial world. An admirable accomplishment. Digital is how that business runs, how it's run for along time.

For a guy who claims he always writes exactly what he means, and who always insists he is absolutey right, and is not wrong, I do believe you just did a turn around on digital error. I didn't even hear the whoosh of a dreidl spinning. Might be a new day dawning.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: bill m

this place is like an argument clinic? No it isn't!


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Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Jeff, thanks for the nice words, but I swear I sound as good as analog. I'd even say better. I sure can do a lot more than I ever could with analog gear.


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Posted by:

Sara

Web: My link

Ray, is a great shop,well worth a visit


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Beach Boys

LINK: To my fave Beach Boy song. Enjoy!!

DAVID P: Don't you dare leave us. We would miss you too much. I agree with the other posters, you are vital to this GB. I left for a long time, but now back posting now and again. If you leave you will miss this place just like I did. There are a lot of great guys here to "talk" to.

DLEW: Thanx for the mention. I love history to no end. Get in my inbox every day. Lots of news too, but can't link because it's too private.

PETER: I'm a huge fan of the Beach Boys. Link is the one I play a lot from youtube.com. I think their music is addictive. As well as the Bee Gees. I have their DVD, "One Night Only" and they cover all their hit songs.

JAN: Your kids will be OK. Does them good to get away. They appreciate what they have at home more. I had a daughter who moved to Rochester. She belonged to a New Jersey drum and bugle corps and was gone a year. She was so glad to be back home. Now she has a son in a local corps. Wonderful thing for the younguns. Travel to many different places in the US and some in Canada.

BILL M: Thanx for the link. Great book and pics of our guys.

FO: Thanx to you too for the link of GARTH. Now that's "KEWL" as my daughter always says. This cyber talk is hard to understand sometimes, but I'm learning.

ARI: No, but will check it out now.

NORBERT: Right you are about DAVID P. Good link to the Hollies. Other vids listed were great too. Thanx.

CYA soon Take care and God Bless. xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I wasn’t even born when the one-armed go-go dancer said to the drunk waiter “look, I didn’t start the fight”……..almost 15 years of talking about the Band – quite amazing….are we in the dancehall and dives era or the arena/stadium one? ….I used to think it odd being here exchanging views with people I didn’t know….5 years have passed and now the whole world is twitter crazy…we were all way way ahead of our time…..I feel so good I’ve decided to break-up Cream or ColdPlay or something………


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Posted by:

Ray

Amanda - agreed on "When I Go Away." It's an altogether great song... Levon and Larry are one hell of a team. I've seen them play together live many times and they really get the best from each other. I'll get out the Dixie Hummingbirds CD and listen to their version... been a while but the Hummingbirds did a heck of a job with it too. Great song and two great renditions!


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Posted by:

Amanda

Thanks for the link Friendo & that's a different article than the one I read. David P...you definitely get that for us southern folk, Gospel and Christian Rock are two things entirely. Southern African American Gospel is a beautiful gift of the deep South whether you are a believer or not. I suppose it's the passion! At first I thought it was odd that Levon & Larry chose "When I Go Away" for Electric Dirt. The song is my favorite & so traditional on the Dixie Hummingbirds album, but Levon gives it justice in his unique way. Plus it's organic to his Arkansas upbringing. The singers sound like the voices I heard in the next pew as a child in the Baptist church.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, we opened the place in 1981 and kept our analog machines plenty busy into the 90's. Digital was one part of our operation. As it got better it became more central to our work flow. Now its all alone.

As far as error testers go, all media need to be analyzed and tested constantly. That's been SOP in audio since I started in the 70's. So digital has its own set of problems--big deal. Heck, tape needed noise reduction because of hiss, and different NR technologies used different processes. And discerning engineers would hate Dolby and love DBX--and vice versa. And it all sounded different.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Ray, GREAT to see you out here! Stick around!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Some of us have been here since '96 (PV, PB, DP, BM, JH, Herb, et perhaps al) and I suspect that we're all still learning stuff about the Band, and much else besides - call it collateral benefit. Nevertheless, it's best for the soul to see it as a (perhaps) 15-year free-form remake of "The Argument Clinic".


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, remember I live in the Nation within a Nation and for quite a long time lived within a part of The Mohawk Nation. The term, serving your country, doesn't ring a bell with me in regards to the military. Lots of local kids here sign up but call it joining the army, no more no less. On the other hand serving your country is used in respect to politicians and civil servants.

By the way, don't hang David's most recent departure on me. I never suggest people stay or go or what they can say when they're here. I criticize and am open to it in return. If you can point to what I said that you think sent him packing, I'm ready.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: BAND

Sorry, no link as it came in my personal mail, but thought I would send it along.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

New album from NYC's Assembly of Dust recalls The Band

Assembly of Dust, "Some Assembly Required" (Rock Ridge)

With at least one guest performer on every cut, Assembly of Dust's second studio album could have been a mess. Instead, frontman Reid Genauer wisely keeps on the focus on his songs, and their considerable charms are enhanced by the parade of talent on "Some Assembly Required."

The result is a rootsy folk-rock record reminiscent of The Band, in part because Genauer's singing recalls Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. His warm, rustic tenor is the kind of voice to which fans at multistage outdoor festivals gravitate.

Genauer's New York City-based quartet blends elements of guitar rock, bluegrass, jazz and the blues with help from such luminaries as Tony Rice, Bela Fleck, Jerry Douglas, David Grisman, John Scofield and Richie Havens.

Topics include domestic disharmony, empty dreams and Leadbelly, but when Genauer sings, "Hold on tightly, no one's steering this thing," it's not true. He has Assembly of Dust headed in a fascinating direction.

CHECK THIS OUT: "Arc of the Sun" soars thanks to shimmering guitars and a fusillade of bass notes from Phish's Mike Gordon, while Genauer pairs a lovely melody with touching lyrics to his newborn son. "Make yourself at home," Genauer begins. "We've been expecting you."

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

David P.

Yes, I've voluntarily retired from the daily grind here. However, no one is going to run me off for good. I'm reducing my activity here to conserve time & energy best spent elsewhere. I'll be on the sidelines and will occasionally pop in to add my two cents worth in an attempt to counter the growing deficit.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Facts that don't change Pat are that there is digital error. That's why there are error testers and error tests. Are you going to insist that error tests and error testers don't exist?

Didn't your website used to say that you embraced digital recording in 1986 and never looked back? 1986, that was along time ago, digital sound sucked even worse back then.

I'm not about to link yor site, that's your business,. but you really are being too bashful. The amount of film, doucmentary and commercial work you have done and do, really is staggering. I'm not being sarcastic. You have built an incredibly strong prodduction studio for film, tv, and commercials. Not an easy feat. For your needs, digital is more suitable. No two ways about it. It still won't sound as good as if it was analogue, but it is a horse of a different color anyway. Analogue just wouldn't fly.


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Posted by:

Ray

Wasssss Upppppp in know it all land?!?!


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: american son

american son is available is available as part of a 2 on one disc with the studio levon and the rco all stars album.its on hmv online for £13.99.good sleevenotes too.i picked up my copy from spillers records in cardiff.they've always got a great selection of levon/band albums.spillers is a great shop,well worth a visit


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Posted by:

Peter V

I hadn’t been heavily into the Beach Boys before 1966, although I had bought both Surfin’ Safari and Surfin’ USA new, I didn’t have anything else. I think I only bought Surfin’ USA to get the words because I already knew Sweet Little Sixteen, so it was another number added to the meagre repertoire. I was into the Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Spencer Davis Group, early soul. Most people I knew were sniffy about the Beach Boys, mainly because of the striped shirts, I suspect. I went to college and moved in next door to a major Beach Boys fan. Pet Sounds had been outjust a few months. He’d converted all of us in earshot within days, and I too remember Beach Boys blasting along the corridors non-stop.

Linking the other post, at the same time as I went to college my mother moved into an apartment. When I got back at Christmas, my collection of Richmal Crompton’s Just William books, collected over ages 8 to 14 had been given away. I’ve spent the last forty years trying to re-collect the set. Only one left to go.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Misc

I started College in 1964. The Beach Boys were super popular. We were allowed to play music and be "noisy" for an hour after dinner. The Beach Boys music used to pour out into the halls. Very fond memories

Elliot Landy's book is worth it. (If for nothing else but the awesome photo of Rick). There is also a great photo os Garth I've never seen before.

Jan F. It sounds like your kids are off for a great adventure.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jan F: Reminds me of the black day when my mother moved from the house to a one-bedroom apartment and I was all of a sudden responsible for housing ALL my own stuff. So revel in the moment: the child may never really need you that much ever again.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Catching up?

No way I'm reading all that stuff.

Moving a kid to Japan has taken up more time that I had imagined. He brought his albums and CDs up to D.C. this past weekend to store at our house. I'm headed to the ATL on Wed to see them off -- they leave on Sat for Tokoyo and then on to Hiroshima/Kure on Tuesday or Wednesday. This will be home for the next year, maybe two.

バイバイ (for now).

J.F.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Take the 'two year' deal David. You don't want one of those Scott Boras contracts that sound great to start but make end up leaving you unhappy and overly scrutinized by the 'big market media'.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The bookstore didn't have the book about Don Messer I was looking for, but it did have Elliott Landy's fabulous "Woodstock Vision", with tons of photos of our guys (see link). There was one of Rick holding one of those lawn sticks that hold either a candle or a beer bottle; Rick looks like one of those 22-year-olds who's just grown 'cause he's tired of being asked to show his ID.

I'd say that a "The Best of Levon" comp would mostly be a bunch of Band tracks. The reason for that might be that the Band songs that he sang had apparently been written specifically with Levon in mind. Can that be said of most of the post-Band stuff?



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Peter: Huh?

Steve: You are accurate on most things described Canadian….but not on the “serve your Country” phrase……I have never heard it used to describe civil servants or politicians. It is used often in the exact same way Joan used it to describe the brave men and women of our military. Is it so difficult from time to time to just acknowledge that a comment may have been insensitive – say so – and then move on?

David P: I love ya – but you are somewhere between Michael Jordan and Brent Farve now on the retirement count. Rumour has it that BFB only has a 2 year deal on the table – this place is offering a 5 year “no trade/no movement” deal…..oh and Steve’s people have been seen to be looking at apartments in the Yukon – key bit of information there is – NO Internet Access!!!!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Anyone with a decent Mac can make a recording with the specs of a pro CD release. There is no longer the "low end" of digital recording. And many more people learn the recording process in a variety of new ways: schools, internships. buying the hardware/software and learning from the manuals. With all the young engineers I meet--including DIYers--I'd say the recording process has advanced considerably.

There is no sound lost in a digital transfer, whether to a client a block away or 5000 miles away. The mail isn't used. And dithering eliminates error rate problems within files while conversion products can turn any file into the file format you want.

Yup, I read the Shelby Lynne article and admire her for it. Doesn't change the facts.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: probably typo ridden, did not scan at all. But, fo thse of you who prefer digital, just consider it part of the error rate

Pat, while it is a very scary thing to do, people did used to ship tapes all over the goddamn place so muscians could record in other locations. There were other , less acceptable methods too I believe.

Digital recroding is far less expensive Pat. Far less time consuming and far less of an art. (and when someone may rely on lining up waves rather than coordination, or their ears beign correct, that's a bad sign. not rampant, but it happens)

And the democratization you speak of falls far short of the superior side of the digital spectrum. The vast majority of digital recordings are made on equipment that is light years away from the best pro tools and the best plug ins. Which to me still suck

The dumbing down of the recording process is huge. It has been and it still is. Without going into detail as to why i beleive this, you should easily admit I;m right on this one. So many people are recordign poorly, when before the had to learn how to do it well. And peoepl who are recordng on poor soudning equipment are destroying their own ears and their own music, and other people's music .

Projects did have to go to real studios before pat. but recording did not have to be done by labels. Peopel did buy tape m,achines, and teach themsleves how to recor dproperly. On tape. It often was musicians who wanted to record their own work.thatls how they started recording. Many became great engineers. with great studios. before digital, all began with tape. Tape studios were everywhere. Noone had to go to a label if they did not want to Pat. The label deal was often the dream, the goal,and was attainable. Was it perfect, ni. wa sit better, yes. And did everyone have to go to a major label, no.

Plenty engineers taught themsleves on tape, opened their own little stdio, bult great studios and bsuiensses., They all have pro tools now too. I don't personally know any great engineer who likes the sound of the best digital as well as good tape. I do know many enginewers who won't publicly demonize digital, because they don't want to lose business. Especialy the studio owner engineers. ( not that it matters oi this , but you do own your studio, don't you. I could be wrong, but I thoguht yur studio specializes in commercial work, and film too. which deosnlt lessen the purity of your prefernces, or your dedication to digital.I;m just askign here)

I donlt agree that musicians being able to record by sending files over a comoputer is necessarily a good thing.So much soudn can be lost int he process. And thoguh you proponets of digital all want to push it undeer the table,. the error rate is still very high. If you can't admit that errors effect time and sound, separately and together, you are publicly dealing from the bottom of the deck. If time and sound, togethr and sepoarately ( and of course time is a big part of how sound sounds), are altered, that sure will effect the part some one plays or sings on a internet sent piece of music. It would also be effected on that same piece in person, if the errors occurred.

There are a whole bunch of other reasons I like the idea of musicians, producers and other peopel being together in a room. I don'tl like mailing tapes, that is for sure.

I remember Shelby Lynne's wonderful article where she says every time she recorded digitally it would make her want to smash her guitar.

spent too much time here, gotta go


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Don't bring Lulu …

I thought Herge was asking about Lu Lu. I never met Lulu, but I did use to stay with friends who lived opposite her in London, and I often saw her getting out of her Mini (by which I mean the type of car). This was 1968 / 69 when she was married to a Bee Gee. It's a small claim to fame by remote visual association. I bought "Shout" new several years earlier. I commented favourably on her recent soul covers album. She looks much younger than 60. She was very funny as the Mum in the Adrian Mole TV sit-com. She coped with the situation when Hendrix famously stopped "playing this shit" on her TV show and played something else. To Sir With Love was the biggest-selling record of its year in the USA, but inexplicably the UK label declined to release it. On Saturday I saw a near mint copy of Dorothy Previne's Don't Bring Lulu (from The Roaring 20s TV show) for 50p and bought it. My neighbour had a small poodle named Lulu. I think I've word associated as much as I can word associate.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: What Else Are You Hiding?

Peter, you've never mentioned anything about that liaison with Lulu. Do tell.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter: Yes..

It's interesting how digital has gotten better - as Pat said, compression rates have improved to the point where many of Young's arguments (which included the idea that higher frequencies adn harmonics are not part of it) are much less.

It is, however, a litle bit like the Electric Guitar - Muddy Waters (?) realised the electric guitar wasn't necessarily worse than an acoustic, but it was DIFFERENT!

I remember hearing Joe Satriani speak of using drum machines - something along the lines of people would complain that his drum parts (programmed with a machine) didn't sound like a real drummer, and indeed, a real drummer couldn't play it. Satriani retorted that if he wanted to use a real drummer, he'd have used one - why be hamstrung by the limitations of a human?

that's not to say Jeff's wrong, by the way - but neither is Peter or Pat. (I, naturally, am, but we all know that...). It's a good discussion.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Neil Young was searching for a better digital form in the end. He's ended up doing the box set on blu-ray.

The Beatles remasters will be an interesting case. They were done four years ago and have been sitting waiting. I think LOVE was outstanding.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: digital

neil young wrote a terrific essay on how digital music was killing the industry - this would have been about 1992 or 1993. without entering into the sound debate, I will say that cheap home recording has never been better.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Mike Love explained 19 / 20 years ago that he’d injured his back, but the walking stick made him look old, especially when the bikini clad girls danced across the stage and around him in California Girls. I agree with Landmark … The Wondermints are as good as anyone on backing vocals. Brian Wilson’s voice is affecting, but on some songs Carl Wilson or Mike Love is the exact sound in your memory so just preferable. The first SMILE show is one of the best concerts I’ve seen.

There are a few classic Beach Boys songs I don’t “get” too much, like In My Room (which isn’t on my iPod), but they have a folder on my iPod to themselves, reduced to a mere sixty-two essential songs. Surf’s Up is there in its entirety, and I listened through it in the car last Friday again.

I can’t add to the technical discussion on digital / analogue (except that Pat sounds right to me). In my own spoken voice area, digital means you get three times as much work done in a day BUT the downside on drama is that it’s too easy to repair stuff. The actors do a dialogue, someone fluffs or says the wrong word or whatever, and the engineer patches it in. In the open reel days it was just easier to do the whole bit again. As actors fluff quite a lot when they can’t deviate from the exact words, you ended up rehearsing twice then doing a passage four or five times minimum. Now the first reading often forms the master, and gets patched. That means the end result is often not as good because by the fifth or sixth time, professional radio actors were no longer reading, they’d memorized it, or reinterpreted it, or retimed it. And a five day session is replaced by a two day session. The social aspect of chatting while the engineer fiddled around with the tape has gone too and you drink less coffee. I don’t know how that applies to music, but there’s an old cassette of the takes for We Can Talk from Big Pink. I can’t find my copy so can’t recall how many takes there were. Fifteen? Sixteen? All with the whole ensemble playing too. You could do it that way now, and obviously, digital doesn’t stop you doing that, but the impetus would be to drop in the corrected notes on an instrument in a little passage later. That’s nothing to do with technology or analogue sounding better, it’s just the way you’re able to use digital. But you don’t have to.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, I know plenty of engineers--me included--who know the latest digital technology reproduces sound more accurately than tape. You like the sound of tape which you must know distorts that sound. Digital doesn't. Now that the sample rates are skyrocketing, the high end and the punch are all there. And I grew up on analog, the 3340s being my first.

I also think reducing the whole thing to money is silly. Digital technology has opened many more sonic doors than it has closed. It also has democratized what was once a pretty elitist field. You needed big money to record in a big studio, and the relationship between the studios and the record companies put the vast majority of musicians who got involved in the process in hock up to their ears.

When the Band made the Brown album, they rebelled against the studio system and for the most part did it themselves--with obvious help from John Simon. Levon has his own studio now and has equipped it with the latest in digital technology. His last two albums were cut on ProTools and I don't think money had anything to do with it.

I'm not sure if your last story about the Israeli drummer was meant to demean digital. Whatever negatives you could draw from it, the singular positive is that musicians who embrace the technology have the ability to interact with other musicians from all across the world. That single fact is mind-boggling.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat, to me it sucks. You like it. I don't think I've met a engineer who learned on analogue who will say that he likes the sound of digital as well.I've met many who learned on analogue who have been forced to buy and learn the best digital systems, and they won't say they like the sound of digital as well as analogue. Studio owners tend to prefer digital. Unless they were great analogue engineers. There is also a big difference in how the more analogue experienced people involved in commercial and film work consider digital compared to those still more involved in music.

What the great engineers I know find positive in digital is the time savings. That is all. And they miss the sound of tape. Better, warmer, more realistic sound.

the idea of what is a real replication of sound. well, that's easy. The closest to real sound. digital is not that. the easiest place to hear it... drums. but it's every where else too. But most people will notice it in the drums first.

But the industry been and is going more and more to digital. But not cause of sound. Cause of money. That's all.

One of the newest and not new trends. Been happening a while. Studiopros.com I think is the website. Elad Fish. I read about this.

An enterprising Israeli drummer started adevtising like crazy for internet sent files to do pro drums track for people. Built his business to the point where he moved from Israel to Santa Monica Ca. Now he has twenty full time employess, including top notch musicisns. people send him basic tracks, they produce whole songs for them. He moved back to Israel ,has this whole operation in santa Monica.

Now digital is a way to make money. Not necessarily great music. Lots if music. some person n Peoria can write " a song" sing into a computer, send the file to studiopros.com, talk to a producer, have people he or she never met and non e of them know nothign about each other, those msuciains can record the song for that person in Peoria.

Money Honey. That's what it is.



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Posted by:

Herb

Location: The Indoor Garden

Subject: Gonna shut you down

Tach it up, tach it up

Buddy gonna shut you down

It happened on the strip where the road is wide

Two sharp shorts standin' side by side

Yeah, my fuel injected Stingray and a four-thirteen

We're revvin' up our engines and it sounds real mean

Tach it up, tach it up

Buddy gonna shut you down

Declinin' numbers at an even rate

At the count of one we both accelerate

My Stingray is light the slicks are startin' to spin

But the four-thirteen's really diggin' in

Gotta be cool now power shift here we go

Superstock Dodge is winding out in low

But my fuel injected Stingray's really startin' to go

To get the traction I'm ridin' the clutch

My pressure plate's burnin' my machine's too much

Pedal's to the floor hear his dual quads drink

And now the four-thirteen's lead is startin' to shrink

He's hot with ram induction but it's understood

I got a fuel injected engine sittin' under my hood

Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

ps - Whiney: you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are, however, you ARE a Pompous Ass AND you are a DICK.

Give us some nonsense about Corvettes having 'crap brakes,' or tell us fucking great LuLu is ,,,


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, there are plenty of people out there who record analog from beginning to end, Albini being one of them. But his other rooms at EA have ProTools. And the sound doesn't suck as you say. The 192 HD systems sound fantastic, a much truer replication of sound than analog. It seems your stance is that you like the sound of tape which both compresses and colors sound, distortions you like, which I can understand. I used to like the audio sound of Beta SP which had a similar coloration. But like I said, there are PT plugins that replicate tape compression, and they sound great.

Garth was on record extolling digital long before the PT upgrades. I believe he was talking about the Fairlight system which by today's standards is archaic. He certainly dove into digital synths.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

I became a fan after staying home one night with the flu and watching the documentary "An American Band". Shortly thereafter, I read the Steven Gaines biography about them and got hooked on the legend of the "Smile" album. At that time (1988), their records were out of print except for "Endless Summer" and "Greatest Hits". I did manage to find used copies of "Pet Sounds", "Surf's Up", and "Holland" that I played endlessly for a long time afterward. Once I got hold of their boxed set, I re-discovered all of their singles. I never cared much for the car and surfing songs but things like "The Little Girl I Once Knew" were great to discover as I vaguely recalled it but never heard it on any oldies show at the time. I did manage to see Brian Wilson with the Wondermints twice after they released "Smile" and am happy to say that they were fabulous. Brian may not sing like its 1965 but the band made up for any vocal shortcomings he may have. I also recommend the Brian Wilson bio by Peter Ames Carlin.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I passed on your comment about Mike Love to Curtis (our kinda adopted 3rd son). He and my son Steve said that the two old guys ( Mike Love and Bruce Johnston) were dancing, no one had a cane. They described it as a weird, robotic kind of dancing but said it was cool. Neither Stve or Curtis knew anything about the BBoys before they went to see them.

I think they're the first group that Marge and I have seen in concert that any of our kids have chosen to go and see. We saw them in 77 in MTL. 32 years before Steve and Curtis.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: the beach boys

I have to admit a blind spot to them. Certainly they have some brilliant songs - 'god only knows', 'good vibrations' and a dozen more. Yet for me, there is a blind spot - somethin's missing. Anyone care to enlighten me?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat, it coulda been 37, or 42 even, As often as I went, there were people who went to all or most of the shows i went to, and probably went to ones I didn't go to. Guaranteed there are people who've been to more Chaplin/Danko performances than I.BTW,years later, Lil &I knew each other's face from Danko shows.

As many vivino performances as I went to over the last 23 or 24 years, several hundred easily, there are people who probably went to far more in the same period of time. A nice bonus to seeing plenty of great music is the friendships made at shows. I;ve maintained good friendships with a considerable amount of people who i met at these shows. Musical friednships too. I've worked with musicians who Imet at shows. Including Johnnie. If I didn't attend as many live shows as I have, I probably never woulda started writing songs. Things get their genesis from a lot of different places that may culminate at some point. In the beginninggn doesn't happen all at once.

You can listen to recorded music all you want.It's not the same as attending a great live performance. A exceptionally well produced album is a wonderful thing. Big Pink and Brown for example. Both recorded and live have their place. Live music, executed beutifully, with passion, is th emost interesting for me. a record that feels like a unified live performance , even if it;s not, has far greater feel to me than one that is antispetic.

Garth is a proponent of computers and their place in music. That doesn't mean that he prefers the sound of digital recording. He may. He certainly does his share of digital sessions, which is a very different thing., It's called working. I never asked him his preference, but I do know he loves his computers for musical purposes. I also know he has two of the greatest ears going. So I woud imagne he prefers analogue recorded sound. Which doesn't mean that he would or wouldn't take a staunch position one way or the other. Why should he?

Regarding how Levon records, I never said he doesn't use digital. I just know what he said about recording equipemnt when we had the conversation in still empty studio over a year and half before the first Ramble and he was talking abut leasing equipment.

Probably every studio that has analgue has digital too. (maybe albnini doesn't, pat woudl know , i wouldn't)Regardless of the owners prefernces, everyone has been forced to get digital to stay competitive. Digital will be the choice most of the time today.

I doubt Levon's opinion has changed but none of that has to mean that they do not record digitally. or that Levon even gets involved in those kind of decisions. I have no idea. You can like digital recoridng all you want pat. I still think it sucks, and I'll die thinking it sucks. That doesn't necessarily mean that I may not record digtially one day. I'll hate it, and the sound, but it could happen.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: Carl Wilson.....

...was also a good - & underated - guitar player. As was, & likely still is, Al Jardine.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pete, I believe the correct term you want to apply to your memory would be "more fucked". Regardless, looking at the last several years of your specified posting subject and views applied to your recent argeument re Levon And The Downloads, you have posted your way into a no way out cluster of clashing dissertations, views, and arguments.

I'm enjoying it , I really have gotten a very good chuckle out of it.

Thank you too much.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Well, my memory is f*cked and getting F*ckedier by the day, as I said. By “record shops” (worrying about their survival) I meant the basic English term of stores which sell records … CDs, vinyl, cassettes even. I’ve often said that 7” 45 rpm mono singles sound better on vinyl, because that’s how they were set up to perform. I also remember saying The Beatles “LOVE” on vinyl was a dumb joke. What’s the point of putting a state of the art digital remix on vinyl? Or doing a 5.1 mix then compressing it into a stereo mix for vinyl?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pete, I know how to multiply. And I saw a lot of music Pete. Didn't sleep much but saw a lot of shows in a lot of different places. Over a 12 year period ( as in 85 till 97) , 36 is 3 times in a average year.Well, there probaby were times I saw Rick and Blondie 2 , 3times or more in a two or three month period. That wasn' necessarily normal, butI saw them a lot. Blondie did make NY home for a long time. And did squirrel up in woodsotck too on occassion.

More important than worrying about my mathematical skills, it would do your scholarly reputation wonders if you would concentrate on thematic consistency in your arguments.

btw, i've never forgotten seeing Blondie perform.


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Posted by:

Pat B

36 times? That's gotta be a record.

If you check out the video of the making of Electric Dirt, you'll see a studio full of digital recording devices: mixers, a\d converters, a couple of racks of ProTools. You'll also see ProTools running on the main computer screen, so I guess Levon likes digital recording. The 24 track analog machine is there too, probably to record drums then dump the tracks into ProTools to use the tape compression and coloring, both of which are easily replicated by ProTools plugins.

Garth was an early proponent of digital instruments and recording, and he famously gushed over the 5.1 mix of TLW. In an 80's interview he also opined what new technology would look like and be able to do, and unsurprisingly he was pretty close.

Jeff, thanks for that link to the Garth interview, although I recall reading it when it came out over a year ago. Oddly enough, the site itself didn't publish it until 10 months after the fact.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I know what's it's like, Jeff. You forgot. Happens as you get older. Happens to me too. Good job I reminded you, and it gave you the pleasure of recalling those "several dozen times" (that means more than thirty-six) you saw the Danko / Chaplin combination perform Sail on Sailor.

I think The Beach Boys is one of the most enjoyable acts I've seen, along with The Everly Brothers. Nothing beats that new song every two and half minutes, all of them brilliant feeling. Brian Wilson had a better backing band probably, and was a better show musically, but The Beach Boys were brilliant. I reckon it was about 18 / 19 years go that I last saw them. They looked very old them, with Mike Love bent double over a walking stick. They must look extremely oldr now, and Carl's voice would be sorely missed,


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Posted by:

Friend0

Geez Pete, while I lack your scholarly ambitions, I been in the audience an easy dozen times Blondie played with The Band. Even seen them perform Sail On Sailor with him.

Seen Blondie and Rick perform together several dozen times. Sail On Sailor probably never got left out.Maybe. Can't Find My Way Home probably never got left out either. Sometimes Rick would exit the stage, Blondie sometimes performed that completely solo. When they had the right backing musicians, it was a full band effort.

seen Blondie perform another few dozen times.Or more. Numerous times with his Skollie Band, with Black Tie, Gene Clark's Byrd's thing, Paul Butterfield, Gene Clark & Jon York. It was rare Sail on Sailor didn't get performed, but there were times.

First time I saw the Beach Boys, 72 or 73, at Brooklyn College, was the first time I saw Blondie peform. Yes, they did Sail On Sailor.

regarding that little levon iTunes digital download issue that got you so perturbed. In embracing digital technology and sound, but rushing to condemn Levon for his record label creatively marketing digital sales, you bit a chunk out of your own completist tuchas, digested it, regurgitated it before it made it all the way out the tunnel, and now you have to lap it up off the floor. Enjoy.

Digital sales being the increasingly popularly used form of delivery, and one digital begetting all the digital acts and media ,and embracing it, you asked for it, you got it. Plain and simple. When you are happily listening to your iPod, chewing your own BS , remember that.

That said, Levon ain't perfect. I remember well that he doesn't care for digital recording. ........And though I don'tl know how he records his own work, the studio is liste das having an MCI 2" machine.........That doesn't mean he doesn't like money. Or that he would fight his label on marketing digital bonus tracks

By The Way, talk to most great older engineers, they;ll tell you the MCI is a well made 2", easy to maintain, but one of the deader sounding 2" tape machines. Not a issue for a good mastering engineer to deal with, but Studers are readily available, and give the best sound. The old Sony and 3M machines also great soudning, but a bitch to maintain, The 3M probabyl being the worst. My first hair raising, life shortening recording experience was with a non maintained 3M Machine. Fucking engineer lied to me. I told him a pre requisite of recording with him was that he have the machine calibrated first. He ha d a few weeks t accomplish that. And He said he had it done. But didn't. Also had a busted tape counter when we recorded.


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, Jeff, but The Band did cover a Beach Boys song. When Blondie Chaplin was with them they played Sail on Sailor live. It's also the analogue cassette of Danko / Hudson in Queensland in 1988.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Tony! Can Ya Hear Me?

Steve, Did the Beach Boys sing any Band songs?

Sorry, confusing your posts and Peter's posts.

Hard to keep up with Peter.

I recall when I used to rail against digital music, digital recording, Peter, Pat, and Brien took the diehard positions that digital recordign sounded just as good as analogue, and that it wasn't so much the recording process or media as it was the performance that mattered to sound of a recording.

My argument was always very other, and my argument also encompassed that there wasn't one wihtout the other. and that a whole industry, and also whole creative process, & socio economic artistic industry community suffered too many insurmountable blows because of digital this and that.
n When I read some of Peter's remarks that tied Levon allowing welk/verve to do that deal wtih iTunes( as if he could prevent it and not give up soemthing else) to the destruction of the retail market for vinyl and discs, it certianly gave me a chuckle how Peter reversed his psosition. I guess that is a good exampkle of things going full circle in reverse and inside out when it suits ya.


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Posted by:

Steve

My 17 year old son and some of his friends saw The Beach Boys ( must be Mike Love's group) in Sherbrooke two nights ago. One of his friends told me he was shocked when they started singing. He said they were these really old looking guys but then they started singing and they had these young sounding really high voices. He thought they were great.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tennessee Jed

There’s a little story due somewhere on The Band members comparatively recent fascination with Grateful Dead songs; Rick Danko and Ripple, Garth Hudson with Dark Star and Scarlet Begonias and now Levon with Tennessee Jed. Three of the four come from the “Band-influenced” aspect of The Grateful Dead, so it’s kind of a boomerang effect. Maybe it all goes back to Festival Express. Robbie had been disparaging about West Coast bands in the Rolling Stone interview earlier. There are all sorts of circular events like this, such as Brian Wilson ending up joining more or less a Beach Boys Tribute Band as his new backing group.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Closest to a Band Album

I don't know that 'Dirt Farmer' sounds much like the Band. (that's not a bad thing, btw - Levon Helm is an individual separate, though a mighy part of, the Band). I'd love to have heard Richard sing 'Wide river to Cross', but I think Levon's take on it is probably definitive. (I'd certainly put it on a Levon Greates Hits - plus 'False Hearted Lover Blues).

I can't yet comment on Electric Dirt (but Tennesee Jed, as heard on Letreman, had some Band-ish qualities)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Electric Dirt

As I said I enjoyed Electric Dirt. I'm now letting it bed in. I think the musicianship is good - drumming, guitar playing, harmony vocals, horn playing (especially on Kingfish), fiddles and mandolin and one of the great voices of popular music.

There are several highlights for me Levon's voice dueting with the violin at the beginning of Happy Traum's 'Golden Bird'. The voice on this haunting song is vulnerable and beautiful.

I like the melody on Growin' Trade', the singing on 'When I Go Away' and the guitar playing on 'Move Along Train'.

I like 'Stuff You Gotta Watch' because of the accordion playing, the drumming and the mandolin. No guitar on the blues track.

There are a lot of musical highlights.

I also feel it's been carried out with enthusiasm, conviction and most important to me integrity.

In case I'm accused of being sycophantic, I don't think that about parts of 'High on the Hog'.

On choice of songs I get the feeling that Mark Knopfler got on 'Slow Train Coming' and I'm not a religious person.

I'm really enjoying it and I hope you'll enjoy it too.

Looking forward to the third album, Levon. How about 'Dirt Tracks'? Get it?

So there's a review,but I'll concede it's maybe a review by a fan with a typewriter. But then that's why we're all here. Although sometimes you wonder?


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Carpenter, Mary Chapin

took a walk in the rain one day on the wrong side of the tracks

I stood on the rails till I saw that train

Just to see how my heart would react

Now some people say that you shouldn't tempt fate

And for them I would not disagree

But I never learned nothing from playing it safe

I say fate should not tempt me

I take my chances, I don't mind working without a net I take my chances, I take my chances every chance I get

I sat alone in the dark one night, tuning in by remote

I found a preacher who spoke of the light but there was brimstone in his throat

He'd show me the way according to him in return for my personal check

I flipped my channel back to CNN and I lit another cigarette

I take my chances, forgiveness doesn't come with a debt I take my chances, I take my chances every chance I get

I've crossed lines of words and wire and both have cut me deep

I've been frozen out and I've been on fire and the tears are mine to weep

Now I can cry until I laugh and laugh until I cry

So cut the deck right in half, I'll play from either side

I take my chances, I pay my dollar and I place my bet

I take my chances, I take my chances every chance I get

I take my chances, I don't cling to remorse or regret

I take my chances, I take my chances every chance I get I take my chances

I take my chances



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Posted by:

Peter V

NB, I forgot. Which is closer to a Band album, American Son or Electric Dirt for me? Neither really. American Son's too country, and while Electric Dirt might have echoes of a 90s Band album (e.g. Growing Trade / Caves of Jericho, and the three blues ones I don't like), there isn't much that calls up the Original Quintet. If anything does, it's When I Go Away, probably because the melody is so good. I also thought Olabelle's Heaven's Pearls would have been better sung by Rick Danko- the melody sort of conjures up a need for his voice to me.

The only lyric which stands up as of OQ Band standard is Kingfish, with Tennessee Jed bubbling under (like Get Up Jake), oh, and White Dove and Golden Bird, but they're a totally different sort of thing. I do find the number of songs that would fit in the Christian Rock section because of lyrics mildly unsettling.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bobby Jones: not far off my order. I’d put Dirt Farmer in front of American Son. Eclectic (this seems to be a GB word now like “fued”) Dirt behind American Son. I’d put the recent RCO All Stars Live ahead of RCO All Stars studio. Both albums called “Levon Helm” (MCA and Capitol) are boring. I’ll have a think later today with the CD player. I’d delete Summertime Blues, a B side, and a travesty to a major Eddie Cochran fan like me, and The Who did it way, way better too. Also Willie & The Hand Jive which Johnny Otis Show, Eric Clapton, and even Cliff Richard all made a far better job of. Sorry about the “even” Cliff Richard in fact, because he did do stuff well around 1958-60. I don’t like Milk Cow Boogie by anyone except Elvis Presley.

I hate it when people choose unobtainable stuff in such lists, but I’ve played Lean On Me from Staying Together OST a lot, and all the Jesse James stuff Levon appears on is great.

Secret To A Long Life (from Arkansas Traveler) where he duets with Michelle Shocked? Little John of God with Los Lobos from The Neighborhood?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Yes they do, See The Link

Holy smokes!

Tis cause for celebration.

Me, I ain't got Dirt yet, haven't been near a record store, and dats how I does it. But I have heard Levon doing When I Go Away. WFUV is playing it very frequently. It gets rolling real good, it does, and I enjoy it. Seems every time it's been on while i'm in the car, something happens to interfere with the song, but the spirit has moved me. And yes, Garth and Maud do perform the song.



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Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Subject: Levon's musical output

All this talk about "American Son" had me go back and re-listen to his output (minus the Band) up to "Dirt Farmer". I"d rank them in this order: American Son, Dirt Farmer, RCO All-stars, Levon Helm (1982), Levon Helm (1978) Levon & The Crowmatix.

FWIW - Butch told me that Levon received no compensation for the "The Ties that Bind" CD, so I personally think Levon should release his own "Greatest Hits Cd". So let's have at it kids, "What would you put on your Levon Helm Greatest Hits CD"?

Here's mine:

(1st CD) Take Me to the River, Standing on a Mountain Top, Blues So Bad, Milk Cow Boogie, Watermelon Time in Georgia, Hurricane, China Girl, Sweet Peach Georgia Wine, Rock Salt & Nails(w/John Martyn), Lucrecia, Get out your Big Roll Daddy, Willie and the Hand Jive, Summertime Blues, /n(2nd CD) Quantrill's Guerillas, Old Clay County(w/Charlie Daniels), The Death of Me(w/ Johnny Cash), One More Shot(w/Emmy Lou Harris & Johnny Cash), When I get my Rewards (w/Nitty Gritty Dirt Band), A Train Robbery, Poor Old Dirt Farmer, The Mountain, The girl I Left Behind, Wide River to Cross.

This is my idea of what a true "Levon Helm Greatest Hits CD" would look like, now it's your turn. (Have at it kids, I want to see what your list would look like)


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Posted by:

Ari

Has anyone ever noticed that in the picture of the Band looking at the lake with their backs to the camera, that Richard's hat has fallen off and is in front of the bench?


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Posted by:

Amanda

David P....my SOUTHERN brother & anyone else, what do you think about "When I Go Away" by Larry Campbell, on Levon's latest album? It was my favorite song on "Diamond Jubilation" by The Dixie Hummingbirds. When I heard Levon singing the song on "Electric Dirt", I thought...WOW...he really makes it his own. It shouldn't be tossed up as a song that appears on the Christian music list. The beautiful part of music from the South is that you can combine a sort of religious flare with all types of work. That's how we are raised. It's roots...it's what you grow up with...the experience. I can understand why Levon added the song to his latest album. It fits. It's what he remembers & feels about his past. I even read somewhere that Garth & Maud perform "When I Go Away" in their live performances.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: The Open

NB, we're rooting for Tom Watson here. His brother Ridge runs the beautiful Joullian Vineyards in Carmel Valley, California. My wife Maureen and Ridge's wife D'tim were co-workers in Monterey for nearly twenty years. Our visits out to their vineyard were very special times. They are great people who live on an absolutely magical property. We also had the great pleasure of meeting Tom and he is every bit the gentleman you always see during the broadcasts. A victory on Sunday at Turnberry will make for a great story. I know there are countless friends and fans wishing him the best.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: "American Son"

Peter: Thanks. And I like the idea of Levon distributing "American Son" through his website. Could be a lot of legal wrangles and red tape to do it I suppose, but maybe if enough of us bug him over at LHS, who knows. We're also overdue for Levon to release a Midnight Ramble Volume 3, in my estimation. I really liked Volume 2, which strangely no one ever mentions here. (It doesn't get any better than Levon and the gals on "I Wanna Know"). I didn't bother with # 1, and not just because Levon doesn't sing on it. The song samples didn't grab me much. While on the LHS topic, I wish Tony had come back to counter the points you raised regarding bonus tracks. I thought they were are well-taken, (tho calling Levon you know what was maybe a little OTT). I remember Tony quite well from the Ramble I attended. From above and behind Levon up in the recording studio, I descended the stairs during "Ophelia" I think it was, and parked myself about ten feet from Levon. After about 30 secs. he toldly me nicely I'd have to vacate the stairs due to fire regulations, (which I noticed somehow didn't keep him from hanging there all night). However, he was nice enough about it and had allowed me my brief moment of uber-proximity to Levon. NB

Peter or anybody, which would you consider closer to being "a Band album" - "American Son" or "Eclectic Dirt" ?


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Posted by:

Steve

The Band And Walter did their most memorable stuff between 63 and 76. The Kennedy assassination, The 66 Tour, Big Pink, Brown, The Vietnam War and TLW.

NB, so let me see, this golf tournament is being won by a guy with an artificial hip who's had one less stroke that the other competitors. Sounds unfair doesn't it. Is that what they mean by a handicap in golf? Example: A guy who has had 3 strokes is a three handicap. Is a stroke a requirement to be eligible for this "sport"? If it is I'd suggest a way to get healthier, younger " athletes" into the "action". Maybe if you're too healthy to have suffered an "eligibility stroke" you could still play if you agree to be tasered each time you're about to tee off. Sounds fair to me.I have other suggestions that would raise the excitement above the level of paint drying but it's back to the garden now for me.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Lest anyone should think I've gone syncophantic, I hasten to add that the 1982 Capitol album with Money & Willie & The Hand Jive, (the second eponymous one, the other being on MCA), is your genuine two star album.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: American Son

Just checked amazon.co.uk. It's "currently unavailable," Edsel releases are a bit like that. They do a run of copies, then drop it. They've put the 1977 Rick Danko out several times. Once it's unavailable you're into Reseller prices, and amazon.co.uk has none. If there's interest, they'll put it out again. Maybe Levon should from his site. It's a very good album. When it came out, i went up to Virgin in London to get an import copy the first day.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany, Niedersachsen
Web: My link

Subject: David P

David P, your knowledge is one of the reasons people look into this GB and what makes this GB great, I learned a lot from you, start googling, reading and listening after reading your posts. I.m.o. there is no retirement but for the eternal one, anyway know we ain't heavy.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

I'm sorry but I don't have time to write poetry for this website. Even I have more of a life than that.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: gravitas

Charlie Y - I believe this word works for both The Band & Walter Cronkite; it's thereby a plausible connection.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Inadvertent References To Music Despite All Efforts To The Contrary

Sorry to keep you hanging Steve. I of course had to watch the British Open on the telly this morning. Ya, no high-drama there, just Tom Watson (2 months shy of 60, complete with articial hip) turning back the hands of time and fending off all the best players in the world and now heading into the fourth and final round with a one stroke lead. If Watson wins it'll be his sixth British Open and he'll be the oldest player to ever win a major, and by a whopping eleven year margin ! And as great as Tiger Woods is, he's still probably not going to catch Watson, what with Tiger having missed the cut and all. Yep, nuthin' surprising ever happens in that sport, that's for sure.

I'm glad that G on Q did, as you report, promise to play The Band's "Whispering Pines" on the interview day or at least the following day, as was the case. NG missed that portion, but she did inform me that the remark Colin Linden made about himself having both a Levon half to his brain and a Danko half, was made on Holger Peterson's show. I'm going to have to get into these musical radio programmes more as I'm missing some good stuff. I haven't even tracked down Jim Byrnes' CBC radio show yet, I'm sorry to admit. Speaking of "programmes", I noticed you spelled that word the American way this morning. Steve, you're such an incorrigible suck-up !

No, our Amazon shipments are usually prompt, so I don't think we can blame Canada Post for the delay THIS TIME. Besides, don't get me started on Canada Post. This was back in the seventies mind you, but before he retired my dad ended up the number two man in Canada Post (Toronto) and started up Canada Post's whole marketing branch. You know, all those specialty items they're trying to flog at you that are just in your way when you go in to buy yourself a single stamp, or possibly less. Go into any Post Office anywhere in Canada and it's the same story, so it's now truly become a national problem. Mind you, I guess indirectly though, my dad's responsible for all those stamps out now that commemorate Canadian musicians. But unless they someday put The Band or its individual members on a stamp, who really cares ? As it stands now, the thought of licking the backside of Anne Murray or Paul Anka is kinda nauseating. (There's no Celine stamp, I hope). But on the other hand, if you happen to hate Pop Tarts, don't even think of laying that one on my doorstep as it wasn't my father's doing at all; my father-in-law invented those puppies. I've been interested in Levon's "American Son" for some time now, upon the recommendation of people here. Why do I see it listed at Amazon for freakin' $95 ? Peter would know, I'm sure. Meanwhile, some pimply-faced kid at Amazon is up on some ladder pullin his hair out looking for my Norm Jones Cd among all the Norah and Tom Jones Cd's. In hindsight, I should've left "The Wait" off that Amazon order and got it straight from the artist. That'll teach me to try and save a few bucks ! Otherwise, I'd be listening to "Eclectic Dirt" and the new Jim Byrnes Cd by now ! Sometimes I sure know how to take the savant out of "idiot savant", don't I ? NB


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Garth's sax solos & other great horn sections

Just came across a Dutch musician's site with his top 10 of great horn sections. Sorry it's in Dutch, but you can still make out the songs. About Garth's sax solo in the WS Walcott Medicine he comments: Magic how Garth and the horn section play together.

1. WS Walcott Medicine Show - The Band. Arrangement door Allen Toussaint, sax solo door Garth Hudson. Magisch hoe de blazersectie en Garth samen spelen.

2. Here's The Good News - Paul Weller. Blazers volgens mij Benjamin Herman en zijn vrindjes? Heerlijk zomers.

3. I'm Only Dreaming - The Small Faces. Steve Marriott op trompet. Vals, totaal onpassend, maar zo mooi!

4. Springfield Road (live) - Supersub. Arrangement van Paul Willemsen. Het origineel is al mooi, maar de blazers maken het tot een klassieker.

5. Tomcat - Muddy Waters. Briljant! Luister. Hoe de blazer het reffrein aankondigt en aan het begin van ieder refrein weer even op adem moet komen

6. It Makes No Difference (live) - The Band. Wederom Garth Hudson op sax die duelleerst met de gitaar van Robbie Robertson, na de mooiste zangpartij van Rick Danko ever.

7. Still Believe (live) - Herman Brood & His Wild Romance. Bertus Borgers o sax. Hij schreef het nummer ook, maar dan in driekwartsmaat. herman maakte er per ongeluk een vierkwartsmaat van en de koortjes en sax van Bertus maken het af!

8. Stagefright (live) - The Band. Het derde live The Band nummertje. Nu een arrangement van Tom Malone, die ook in de Blues Brothers Band blies. Wederom een geweldig emotionele zangpartij van Rick Danko, dan de maffe orgels van Garth Hudson en dan de blazers na de orgelsolo. Magisch en kippenveltrekkend. Als dat laatste een woord is.

9. 5.15 - The Who. Blazers-arrangementen van bassist John Entwistle. Naast officieel 'Beste Bassist Ever' was hij ook niet de minste op diverse blaasinstrumenten en hij schreef én blies alle blaaspartijen op The Who albums!

10. Heart To Hang On To - Pete Townshend en Ronnie 'Plonk' Lane. Mooi nummer van Pete, mooi gezongen door Pete en Plonk. En wederom alles geblazen door John Alec Entwistle.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I hadn't noticed how few songs from American Son there were on it until I tried to answer earlier. I think The Ties That Bind is an Australian compilation originally? Dlew will have to go down to Raven Records and enquire. I wouldn't have thought that Levon had been closely involved, but who knows?

David, any ideas? That recording session should be right up your street (he said, vaguely offering a slightly tatty olive branch …)

Charlie, which EDITION of The Rolling Stone Album Guide is 2.5 stars? They vary a fair bit. I got the first three then stopped … you also have to check the assessor's initials at the bottom of the review. Some are better than others.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry didn't take time to word the question properly. I realize The Ties That bind is a compilation, I was wondering if you had any idea why more songs from American Son didn't make the cut on The Ties That Bind if as you say it's the best solo album. I guess Band songs took the place of other solo recordings ( like songs from American Son) to push sales a little? I will try the songs on I tunes.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: David P., Walter Cronkite...and Stars

I hope David hasn't really "retired," either. Like when Walter Crokite did so back in 1981, it would be far too early--and I sincerely hope David lives to at least the age of 92 with vinyl spinning as he goes.

Anyway, I was trying to come up with a Cronkite connection to The Band, but the only one I could come up with is the cliche that we'll never see another entity like either again--and both were class acts to the end.

As for the ROLLING STONE RECORD GUIDE, I rate it two and a half stars.


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Posted by:

Lil

Thank you Ray.

David P: I hope you know you're always welcome and appreciated at BFB.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: American Son

The Ties That Bind is a compilation covering a wide range including Band stuff. American Son is the third solo album. The only track from it on The Ties That Bind is "Watermelon Time in Georgia", but ones to test on iTunes are Violet Eyes, Sweet Peach Georgia wine and China Girl.

It has a strong sense of style (rolling on from doing Coal Miners Daughter), strong songs by decent songwriters with a country flavour, rather than 12 bar R&B workouts, immaculate backing from the likes of Fred Carter Jnr, Hargus "Pig" Robbins, Henry Strelecki, Buddy Emmons, and others. It also had a strong conceptsleeve - like Dirt Farmer it has a tractor in the fields, as well as other items like a Hawk, a coal miner, a festival, Big Pink. A few years back one original vinyl copy went at auction for $400. Fortunately it's on an Edsel CD now. The high price was when copies were unobtainable.

In the end, I think it has the strongest songs and best backing of the four early solo albums.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: David P

Please don't disappear. Your encyclopedic knowledge of music both amazes me and keeps me hanging around this place.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, why do you take American Son over The Ties That Bind? I don't have American Son, yet, but I do have TTTB and am interested to hear what the differences are.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I think that’s the point I was making. A critical (mildly) review is better than silence. I just ordered the new Thomas Pynchon novel after reading a review that it “had many wonderful moments but was a deeply flawed plot.” The five star stuff is extremely rare. Look at Rolling Stone Album Guide. Agree or disagree, but a lot of truly magic albums only got four stars. I was looking forward eagerly to Electric Dirt for months. I was amazed how it got ignored here. I wasn’t disappointed in the album at all, but I thought the overall distinct style and strong sense of purpose had been greatly diluted and dissipated. It’s still better than three of the four 70s / 80s Levon solo albums, but I think I prefer “American Son.” I look forward to anyone arguing otherwise. I’m easily persuaded. If you can point out a gem of a fiddle solo in something I didn’t like much, I’ll go and play it over and over. Often I’ll think, ‘How did I miss that?” That’s what discussion is about. Otherwise we’re all back on Orwell’s Animal Farm chanting Four Legs Good. Two Legs Bad like a mantra. That does satisfy some, I have to say.

As Samuel Johnson said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Boswell added that Johnson was NOT attacking patriotism as such, but was attacking the wrapping yourself in the flag to avoid criticism sort of chest-beating. He said that, significantly, in 1775.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, ditto on Dlew's comment on the Electric Dirt review, I'm making a voyage to the HMV outlet in Sherbrooke today, finally.

NB, your postal service out there seems to be stuck in the Dirt Farmer era. Maybe once you get some roads built the postal service can retire the ponies and move up to them newfangled auto-mobiles or horseless carriages as you probably would know them.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Happy b'day to both Sebastian & Jon Taplin today.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: We cant' play this game any more, but can we still be friends?

Hey Northern Boy! Hey JTull! Hey Lil! Now with the pleasantries out of the way...

What just happened? David P.? Are you here? Peter? Everything ok? Steve? Bob?

I can't think of anyone whose posts I don't value in some way - some, of course, probably more than others - let me acknowledge the friends I've made: Joan - please come - bring dunc with you! I'm hoping to meet Norm later in the year but I suspect distance will be a factor - Norm - Murrarie is in Brisbane - I'm about 1800 kms south of Brissie (or Brisvegas, as its known)

I thought Peter's review was really good, and really thought provoking: thanks for doing it - I still can't wait to hear the album, but a 4 star is still great, as Peter acknowledged.

Anyway, let's all take a deep breath, enjoy Serenity's postings, talk about the whole world, keeping our eyes on the Band, and get back to what we do best.


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Posted by:

Steve

Ed, in some situations math doesn't apply. This is one of them.

NB, actually, Jian did say during the interview with Jason Schneider that they would try to play Whispering Pines during that program and if not then they'd play it the next day. Bill, one of the interesting things mentioned during the interview was that Col Tom and Hank Snow had made a deal to manage Elvis's career but that The Colonel swindled Hank out of the business. The interview was far too short and I'm going to purchase the book as well.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: History: July 17: Baseball's "Joltin' Joe'

Thought you baseball fans may remember this one.

1941: After hitting in a record 56 Consecutive games, Joe DiMaggio is Held hitless by the Cleveland Indians. The next day, he begins another Hitting streak of 16 games.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: To make you smile

POETRY

I don't wanna do the dishes

I don't wanna do the wash

I sprinkled clothes a week ago

And now my iron is lost!

I don't wanna rattle pots

I don't wanna rattle pans

I see the mail light flashin

I wanna chat with friends!

Oh, the table needs some dusting

and the floor could sure be mopped

But I know if I get started

there'll be no place to stop.

The closets are so full

things are falling off the shelves

I wish for cleaning fairies

and magic little elves.

They could sprinkle fairy dust

and twitch their little nose

The windows would be sparkling

I would have no dirty clothes.

Oh, I know that I'm just dreamin

My head is in the sky

I must cook that meat that's graying

and bake that apple pie.

The hubby needs a bath

the dog needs attention

Oh... the other way around I mean

my brain is in suspension

I am runnin round in circles

I am getting nothing done,

I keep thinking of my web

I am missing all the fun!

Well, I know I'm not addicted

Though I hear that all the time

But I quess this stuff can wait on me

Cause today I'll be ON LINE!!!

Hope it worked?

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: NEWS & History

Legendary CBS anchor Walter Cronkite dies at 92 (AP) FILE - In this photo taken on Sept. 24, 2007, former news anchor Walter Cronkite arrives at the Metropolitan Opera 2007-08 season opening gala. Famed CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite, known as the 'most trusted man in America' has died, Friday, July 17, 2009. He was 92.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

FRIDAY July 17th

Petula Clark makes her TV debut (on England's "Cabaret" show at the age of 13), 1946

Annette Funicello and the Mouseketeers first appear on TV (an ABC special celebrating the opening of Disneyland), 1955

The Beatles' "Yellow Submarine" film premieres in London, 1968

No one is hurt as a bomb explodes under a Rolling Stones concert equipment truck in Montreal, 1972

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Tommy James and the Shondells:

The band initially formed in 1959 as Tom and the Tornadoes, with the then only 12-year-old Tommy James as lead singer. In 1963, he re-named the band The Shondells after one of James' idols, guitarist Troy Shondell. The same year, they recorded the Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich Song, "Hanky Panky" (originally a B-side by The Raindrops). James' version sold respectably in Michigan, Indiana and Illinois, but the record label, Snap Records, had no national distribution. The single failed to chart, and the Shondells disbanded.

Until next time Take care and God Bless xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: "Whispering Pines"

Bill M. : Northern Girl caught most of the Jason Schneider interview and has been perusing the book on Amazon. She noted to a very-busy-and-tired-from-endlessly-house-painting-despite-allegedly-being-on-his-holidays Northern Boy, that the song "Whispering Pines" got played the next day on the programme. Presumably, some calls were made by more than a few viewers, citing the obvious oversight of not playing it the previous day when the author of the "Whispering Pines" had been the guest. At least that's how my paint-fume infested brain understands it. NB.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Forgive Us Our Digressions, As We Forgive Those Who Digress Against Us

From tugboats to Turnberry to Tintern Abbey, for me at least, the digressions here are one of the appealing aspects of the place. With the possible exception of politics, digressions would never drive me out of here; it's some of The (other) Stuff You Gotta Watch. My copy of "Eclectic Dirt" has not arrived yet so for now I'll not comment much, though I've heard it in its entirety three or four times on Amazon (The Electric Dirt Lisitening Party). Based on that, I might quibble with Peter over a song or two but his assessment seems pretty much on the mark. The weakest songs on "Dirt Farmer" strike me as stronger than the weakest ones on "Eclectic Dirt". But perhaps they'll grow on me. I find it sometimes takes longer to warm up to the slower tunes. Still, a very worthwhile purchase. NB

PS. Dlewsional: If as you say, your assumptions are often wrong, have you considered that maybe this particular assumption you have about all your other assumptions could be wrong too? At the risk of sounding redundant, I think you're just being dlewsional about the whole thing. I doubt if a single person here can recall you ever having assumed anything of a dubious nature - for instance, "France is really just West Virginia without the possums". So I say, assume away dlew !


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Posted by:

Ray

Got to have a nice chat with my friend Lil this past weekend. My family spent a few days in her neck of the woods so we stopped by to visit with her. Although Lil has genuinely interesting insight into the Band as she is friends with many of the original and later members she remains extremely humble about those friendships. It's a true shame to see pot shots being thrown around about Lil because as anyone who knows her can tell you... she is a very warm, friendly, tolerant, and HARD WORKING person who is strong in character and earns her keep. I'm proud to call you a friend, Lil.


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Posted by:

David P., Retired

I don't need to consult Dickens or Kesey for a definition of pompous ass. Like Kerouac, I feel the Serge to hit the road.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Some people get way too excited over nothing. Calm yourselves down, it's only opinions. Respect each other will ya.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Have a great weekend.


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: PETER V

HAHAHAHA! Peter. That comment about One flew over the Cuckoos Nest was Hilarious. Just what some of us needed! Would you care to fill in the blanks? HaHa


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: 80%

Steve, it took you 20 years to push out 80% of the English speaking population? 4 years to go!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Kevin J … since the release of Electric Dirt, there has been little or no comment except that stimulated deliberately. Better to talk about it than push it under the carpet, eh? I spent a few minutes recasting OneFlew Under The Cuckoo’s Nest from the GB. Nurse Ratchet was the easiest, followed by her syncophantic orderlies.

Then I moved on to the complete works of Charles Dickens. Little Nell, the professional victim, was a quick one too, as was the pious hand-wringing Uriah Heep. As for the pompous hypocrite, Dickens really leaves you spoiled for choice, but I will get there.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I Ain't A going nowhere.

Peter, I kinda recognized the possee forming a long time ago. Bob, who shall remain nameless, tried to draft me for the team back a few years ago but since I made my preference for remaining a free agent known it's been all down hill.

Peter, about 80% of the English speaking population has left Quebec in the last 20 years and I'm still here.

Joan there was nothing to get feel surprised about regarding my post about politicians and civil servants.

I was just interested in how the term," serving your country", has been appropriated by the military or at least come to mean only the military, in the US. It's not used exclusively or maybe not at all when referring to the Canadian military. Actually, I don't think it is used here at all in that way or at least I'm not aware of it being used that way here..

Here it is used when talking about politicians and civil servants at least that's where I'm familiar with it from. It didn't foresee the need for it to be neutralized but maybe it's an American sensitivity I'm not aware of.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norm

Thanks. :)


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I Believe in Music

For Joan:

I could just sit around makin music, all day long..

Long as I'm makin' music I cain't do nobody no wrong.

Who knows maybe someday, I'll come up with a song...

Make people want to quit fussin' and fightin'....

Just long enough to get a long........ooohh!

I believe in music.......I believe in love!


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Posted by:

JOE VLAURUS

Location: HECLA , PA., USA
Web: My link

Subject: SLATE DUMP MUSIC AND ART COMPETITION

PLEASE SEARCH GOOGLE IMAGES FOR THE LAND MARK LAND FORM HECLA SLATE DUMP IMAGE AND THE BEAUTIFUL CALCEOLARIA GARDEN THERE. SMELL THE BEAUTIFUL INTOXICATION PETUNIA THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED FOR SAINT JOSEPH FURWA ,MARTYR OF WYGNANKA, POLAND.. RUBY PETUNIA CAN REALLY MAKE POSIES GROW AT RICCI AND HECLA ROAD ON YON SIDE OF THE HECLA SLATE DUMP CALLED THE ANDREW FURWA FIDDLERS GREEN/WHICH IS HOME TO THE HECLA JAMBOREE.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Ahhhh shoot, I missed it... Heard there was a fight over here... or at least somebody giving someone else a good weegie... or maybe a vanilla plastic lunchtray to the teeth... but it looks like that's even gotten wimpy... There's a good Jayhawks Anthology out... just ordered it... and it looks like a new Mindy Smith is coming out in August... I think the "I Wish..." track from Electric Dirt is best myself... and thanks for the visual of a Robbie listening party for 5 tracks... may it be his best yet... Think I'll go crank up some Zep now, get my aggression on, that way... so I can get ready for the lines tonight at the Potter movie... It's a cool 50's in MN today... feels like October with the Jeep windows off... and I'm excited... on this Friday... It's in the air... I also didn't think Peter and Steve-O were all that bad this time... people just bumping elbows today I guess... Maybe take an allergy pill...


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: On a lighter note, a musical post

Thanks everybody. I'm racing off to that great British institution tonight - the pub quiz. I've got to say this, it takes place at the local golf club because it's Scotland. Normally my team does well and I add to the lead in the music round, identifying riffs and choruses from songs played by long forgotten bands like the Small Faces, Cream, Ivy League, John Martyn. You don't get Band questions, Elvis is the American king in Glasgow.

Last two months there has been a problem. There is a new quiz master. Looks like the young Elvis Costello. He asks questions related to Paolo Nuttini, the Arctic Monkeys, the View etc. We scored 4 out of 24 in music last two months. One of my friends last month said 'Thought you knew music, Dunc?' Aagh pressure.

On a serious note I would like any of you regular posters (maybe one day Joan, but you'd have to play in the girls' team) to come to the quiz. Will have to race!

Everybody have a nice weekend and remember this is our hobby.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: No joking matter

48 soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan this month, including 23 Americans (two from Georgia), 16 Britains (the latest today), and 5 Canadians (including one yesterday). You can blame politicians or civil servants if you want, but I fail to see where such comments are even "mildly humourous" or remotely appropriate here. I'm sorry for interrupting the normal dialogue here, but those sad numbers, not 4 or 5 stars, were on my mind yesterday when I wrote my initial post.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Addendum

I am a very "political" person, but I stay away from it here. That is Jan's request. So be it!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Oh Dear!

First off, I posted my comment to bob w, and added my genuine feeling about our young men and women. Bob's son is going some place I would never want to be and Lars' daughter Sarah is putting herself in another kind of danger. Voluntarily!! I was a bit surprised by Steve's comment, but I hoped I neutralized it by paraphrasing Dylan. I guess not.

David, thank you for your defense.

Dunc, I have never found you to be anything but a gentleman and a gentle man.

Peter, I'm not sure what triggered your reaction,but I do feel it was OTT. Although I have never met any of my "cyber friends", I do feel they ARE friends. I'm sure if I was in Scotland or Australia I would look up Dunc or Dlew for a drink or coffee. My point being, I do not feel "social remarks" are out of place. they are just part of the daily give and take.

I grant you I am not as astute as some posters are That is why I hang around here. I learn a lot.

As far as musical taste, we are all entitled to an opinion We all see things in a different way. If someone doesn't like Electric Dirt, they are entitled to that opinion Anyone who wants to differ, needs to be civil.

As I have quoted before, from my niece Eloise age 2 years 5 months, "Be Nice"


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Posted by:

bob w.

Dunc, you are correct. There was no "golf discussion". You are one of the truly nice people who post here and my comment was made out of respect to you and your beautiful homeland. Thanks for your response. I hope to visit both Turnberry and St. Andrews some day. Hope you enjoy the weekend.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 19:03:31 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311764.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.191.148)

Posted by:

Kevin J

The case made that this GB is near terminal decline at this point seems absurd to me. Let’s see – over the last six months we have had quite a bit of discussion and comment on new music and concerts from Levon and band…….news that Robbie is well into completion of a new album…with possible live dates….a continued busy schedule and music contributions from Garth and Maude…..and excellent music and appearances from Jim Weider…………most noteworthy has been the contributions here from Sebastian which have helped fill in a lot of information ( publishing arrangements, relationships with Dylan, Winwood, etc – not to mention names – Royal – and even height data!!! ) that had only been speculated on for 10 years here!!!!...........Perhaps Peter is yearning for a return of Little Pink where every 4 months or so saw the recurring nightmare of a Feud discussion which never went anywhere…..or prolonged political discussions that went on for days – sometimes weeks on end……a nice balance seems to have been arrived at here…..content is mostly music but a reasonable amount of other discussion is tolerated…… I play and listen to music all day but have to say that Westcoasters slice of life stories are a highlight of this GB…….as are the occasional bits of humanity that come up when someone mentions a personal story that often has nothing to do with music………..getting into a tizzy over a reference to golf when someone is responding to a post from a GBer living in Scotland is wild……until reading that I had not even know the British Open had started and was glad to know……..then again I have been living for weeks now with my hand held high in the air showing off my receipt of purchase of Eclectic Dirt and I am getting f**king sore!!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 18:40:17 CEST 2009 from mail1.lumberg.com (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Peter, please stop right there. I have valued your posts over the years, I have valued our private correspondence, and I have considered you a friend. I have seen people unnecessarily try to provoke you and I am sure you have had your share of grief. I am not part of the 'hate PV' bandwagon. That said I have to call you out for becoming increasingly mean-spirited and increasingly anal about trying to direct GB traffic. I have been part of BFB for years. So has JH btw. Are you knocking him too? For most of us, it isn't 'us versus them', it's just an alternate place, and it is a very pleasant one that lacks the bile that is out here, as it was on Little Pink, and that is a breath of fresh air. Maybe all of us do not have your musical knowledge or time to spend on it. We are here because we like The Band. Your posts are so esoteric sometime I expect to read about the amount, wieght, color, and type of dust on your turntable stylus and how it affects the sound of some limited pressing 7" vinyl you found in an African flea market back in '68. But you know what? I enjoy that. I think that is cool. But other people find other things cool, and sometimes our posts aren't addressed at everybody, only the few that would appreciate them. If a certain somebody from NJ posts an article from Fox news because it was topical or of interest, they should be able to do so without the intelligentsia out here beating up on them. SO what if Lil or Serenity don't post about every last rumored Basement Tape session? They have a place out here if they want it. I do to, even though I regret almost every lurking session I indulge myself. Lighten up and layoff please. I want the old Peter back.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 18:26:59 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I’d hate to offend you Lil, as I’ve valued your insightful comments on the music over the years. Wait a moment … have there been any? Oh, no. Perhaps not. I meant David.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 18:19:58 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (24.161.40.47)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Bob Dylan Tour

TODD- My cousin was at the New Britain Stadium (Ct.) on July 15th to see the Nelson / Mellancamp / Dylan tour performance. He agreed with you that Dylan put on a good show. He sent me a setlist:

1. Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 (Bob on guitar)
2. Stuck Inside A Mobile....(Bob on guitar)
3. The Levee's Gonna Break (Bob on keyboards for the rest of the show)
4. Tryin' to Get to Heaven
5. High Water (For Charley Patton)
6. I feel A Change Comin' On
7. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum
8. When the Deal Goes Down
9. Highway 61 Revisited
10. Ballad of a Thin Man
11. Thunder On the Mountain

ENCORE

12. Like A Rolling Stone
13. Jolene
14. All Along the Watchtower


Entered at Fri Jul 17 17:32:37 CEST 2009 from proxy-ny.cbs.com (170.20.11.116)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Dylan & Kooper

Todd: I'm so happy to hear you say you enjoyed Dylan. I was with you in thinking I'd finished going to see him, but my daughter turns 25 in a couple of weeks (the day after I turn 56) and she asked me to take her to one of the Dylan-Nelson-Mellencamp shows. One reason was because she loves the opening act for Dylan's minor league ballpark tour--The Wiyos--as she's seen Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp at Farm Aid with me before. But I think she also wants to see Mr. Dylan at least once.

Al Kooper does an interesting remake of Dylan's "It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry" on his latest CD, "White Chocolate." That song has become a concert staple in recent years among people ranging from Bruce Hornsby to Levon Helm, so it is interesting to hear a guy who goes all the way back to those mid-60's sessions with Dylan release his take on the tune. The CD is available from Al Kooper's site and all copies are signed by Mr. Kooper at this point.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 17:32:10 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: meanwhile, outside the psychodrama ...

Steve: I forgot to listen to Jason Schneider being interviewed on Q about his Band-relevant book "Whispering Pines". Did you? If so, anything worth sharing here?

By the way, has anyone else bothered to buy or borrow the book?


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:58:11 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Sebastian: Thanks for the fast and thorough response. Much appreciated. Jim Robertson had a brother who everyone called Robbie as a short form for Robertson, just like your father. Though both are long gone, I understand, but as of maybe five years ago Jim's sister was still living in Toronto.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:57:37 CEST 2009 from host671420017130.direcway.com (67.142.130.17)

Posted by:

Lil

I just saw your post J Tull. Thank you.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:56:08 CEST 2009 from host671420017130.direcway.com (67.142.130.17)

Posted by:

Lil

Wow. For anyone to even insinuate that David Powell would be trying to 'run anyone out of here' is ludicrous. He's always been one of the most fair-minded posters here and I've always had great respect for him.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:47:00 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

For those who have trouble reading and for those who are reading too much into what I said, let me reiterate this:

"That's just my opinion and maybe others enjoy that crap, but I fail to see its relevance here."

I'm not trying to run anyone out of here, rather, I'm just stating my opinion on the subject.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:41:52 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Music connected to The Band

Todd, I’m glad to see your post as someone who will make a rational argument in favour of music. I am also delighted with my copy of Electric Dirt. Four star albums are few and far between. If I had a friend whose birthday was due, I’d certainly buy another copy and feel confident it would be a welcome gift. However, I would be interested to read how you argue it as the Brown Album to Dirt Farmer’s Big Pink (to me both Band albums were five star, as was Stage Fright, but most critics thought the Brown Album an improvement). I sent Jan my full review, but he’s on vacation.

First off, Electric Dirt lacks the unity of feel of Dirt Farmer. It is “Eclectic Dirt” as someone posted, and I think that’s a minus.

On lyrics, the only songs even approaching the standard of the first two Band albums are Randy Newman’s Kingfish, and Robert Hunter’s Tennessee Jed (and I’d put the latter more at Get Up Jake level and that ended up as an outtake). Golden Bird and White Dove (the two best tracks) are both achingly beautiful, but fit in a traditional category (like Little Birdies or Ain’t No More Cane). When I Go Away is a great song, but the lyric isn’t fantastic. The rest are not in the same league. Growing Trade is like Caves of Jericho, a conscious attempt to emulate the early Band without a lyricist of the ability of Robbie Robertson, and the tune sounds as if it’s following the words, not integral to them. Three tracks (or more) would fit easily in the Christian Rock section.

On music there are at two tracks too dull to be worthy of consideration on the first three Band albums. Move Along Train would have sat well on early Delaney & Bonnie and would be good live. Shame about the lack of melody or originality. You Can’t Lose What You Ain’t Never Had is plain boring in spite of being well-executed. Two turkeys do not a five star album make. Conversely, the radical remake of Stuff You gotta Watch works extremly well and deserves its place.

If it’s Big Pink or the Brown album, it’s those albums with the rejects included. I heartily recommend buying it, but it’s not as good as Dirt Farmer for me.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:22:00 CEST 2009 from mail1.lumberg.de (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

BFB has one quality that is desperately needed out here: respect for one another and a sense of community. This place could use a little less self-appointed hall monitors who need to ensure the politics are state-approved, the music is state-approved, the viewpoints are state-approved...etc.etc.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 16:06:29 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I think the problem is Steve, that you are being demonized as the new Bumbles by certain people. i.e. you have been marked as one to witch-hunt, because although you tend to be both a stout defender of Levon and a critic of pink scarves (both points the demonizers would favour strongly), they have deemed your political views too left-wing for their established prejudices. Anyway, don't be ridden out of town on a rail!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:43:48 CEST 2009 from 21cust177.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.177)

Posted by:

Steve

David, you're becoming terribly pathetic with this monotonous negative interpretation of every post I make. I keep trying to maintain an open mind regarding your responses but it's getting difficult and a little tiresome.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:38:50 CEST 2009 from 69.177.231.226.adsl.snet.net (69.177.231.226)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: On The Run

I have some things to say, but am jammed up for time at the moment. I was on vacation last week, and scrambling to get my work done this week, and I feel like I’m a week behind. That’s always the rub with vacation….the work doesn’t get done when you’re busy playing in the sand at the beach.

A couple of quick points, which I hope to elaborate on in the near future: “Electric Dirt” is to “Dirt Farmer” as “The Band (Brown Album)” is to “Music From Big Pink”.

I purchased the CD of “Electric Dirt” through the pre-order sale on Levon’s site and the digital download from iTunes to get the bonus tracks. Last week I purchased another CD of “Electric Dirt” from Barnes & Noble to give to my father as a birthday gift. I have no regrets about any of the purchases. Who would have thought ten years ago, that we’d even have the opportunity for new releases from Levon. My plan is to enjoy and savor the moment. I will discuss more in a few days.

I saw Bob Dylan in concert the other night and enjoyed it more than any of the previous times that I’ve seen him. Thanks to Dunc for his favorable review earlier this year for pushing me to get tickets. I had thought that I was done with Dylan live, but I was pleasantly surprised with the show. I also finally picked up Tell Tale Signs, and am enjoying a lot of that much more than I expected that I would.

Gotta run for now and get some work done….will try to check back fairly soon.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:33:55 CEST 2009 from 21cust177.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.177)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: There's No Feud Like An Old Feud

Dunc, do you really see this as a "Levon" site? Maybe you're speaking of what some see as jh's preference but as far as posters go every member appears to have their own choir singing their praises and since jh posts so rarely he hardly tips the balance one way or the other.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 15:28:21 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

I fail to see the humor of Steve's response to Joan's sincere post regarding the men & women serving their country in the armed forces. Such continued attempts to politicize everything are not only tiresome, but in this case insulting to those with loved ones in the service. I wonder how Mr. Viney would feel if Steve made his son the butt of one his attempts at political humor here.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:46:03 CEST 2009 from p4fcafaec.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.250.236)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Dunc

Don't know what happened (have to work, will pick up later perhaps), but know Dunc, you can't please them all, there is always someone pissed. Anyway, I always enjoy your posts and I know most of us do.

Weekend! have to built a glass house-base for a few hours in the garden and then work on my espresso's learning curve.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:43:50 CEST 2009 from host671420017130.direcway.com (67.142.130.17)

Posted by:

Lil

Well gee Peter.. I can't help but notice how obsessed you are with your neighbors over yonder. It seems you're barely able to post without making mention. I didn't realize we meant that much to you (tear in my eye...)


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:39:23 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Dunc - your sentiments have been expressed in the past in various forms and are perfectly fine to post as I believe nearly everything should be, given in moderation and temperment. I too find it interesting to discuss other things and read other topics beside Band oriented musings. It keeps the place from becoming a tomb.

I also agree that well communicated criticism is a good thing and that we should never just drink the cool-aid. I find it funny that when well thought out and communicated criticism is derided it is generally done in a low brow way precisely the opposite of the intent. Well expressed discourse, for me anyway, is a pleasure to read whether in favor of the point or not.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 14:11:14 CEST 2009 from host86-148-97-129.range86-148.btcentralplus.com (86.148.97.129)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Was working today or would have responded earlier. I don't think the post was about golf. It's my stomping ground that's in the news. Bob was remarking on that. (However, Bob, your post will be deleted.)

What is relevant in a Band GB? I think the common strand is the Band, but we talk about other things. I enjoy reading about writers, life in other parts of the world, farming, new to me music, the American Civil War, Coleman Balls, linguistics, travelling to Germany etc.

If this guestbook is a community, and I hope it is, then I genuinely empathise with a member of the community, whose son has to go to a dangerous place. Especially in a week when I have been thinking about eighteen year olds who will now never get to have the life I have been lucky to have.

I remember when a poster told us about his illness and the response. I hope he is okay.

Up until I asked Sebastian a question and was accused of crawling (I'll not lose sleep over it), I have only been met by kindness on the GB. I have hundreds of questions for Sebastian. I don't know about another GB, but to Johnny come latelys like myself I know that there was a split and people don't get on. I think also Jan's site and the GB tilts towards Levon, but I've had a lot from the site. I appreciate and benefit from the work that has gone into the site and hopefully have acknowledged this many times.

I was never going to write a post like this. I don't know if it reads as I want to say it. Sorry if I've bored people.

I like all the Band,still use Jan's site and enjoy most of the posts.

I'm away out to the garden. Am I allowed to say this?


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:44:40 CEST 2009 from p4fcac59a.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.197.154)

Posted by:

Norbert

Oops, I need some coffee.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:42:17 CEST 2009 from p4fcac59a.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.197.154)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: coffee

Buying an Italian espresso machine last week (Elektra MC a Leva), I came across "The perfect espresso" YouTube (although I'm not that far yet).


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:42:07 CEST 2009 from p4fcac59a.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.197.154)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: coffee

Buying an Italian espresso machine last week (Elektra MC a Leva), I came across "The perfect espresso" YouTube (although I'm not that far yet).


Entered at Fri Jul 17 13:31:17 CEST 2009 from 21cust143.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.143)

Posted by:

Steve

Bob, careful, you'll upset David with that kind of vulgarity. I've gone back to see what I said that sent him into his most recent fit and am still not sure. Peter seems to think it was about politicians and civil servants and that post is in the running I guess but I'm going with the, McBrain Dead Talking", comment. I overlooked it originally but McBrain Dead Talking is considered a war hero in some parts so I haven't ruled out that post as the source of this most recent meltdown.

Peter, I'm sure Bob was only watching golf for the lovely scenery at Turnberry. Nobody really watches the golfing, do they? My mother, who spends lots of time volunteering with the elderly in a retirement home near her house says she has to turn off the TV in the common room if golf is on because it just saps the life right out of the residents. She brings them back to life by playing the piano and singing songs from their younger days .

Peter, why don't you give us an Electric Dirt review. Like Dlew I haven't picked up a copy yet but am interested in reading your review.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 12:41:12 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-9-81.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (71.246.9.81)

Posted by:

bob w.

Mr. Viney, my mention of Turnberry yesterday was made to Dunc as it is very close to his home and I felt it was relative. Reading your snide commentary day after day is as low as any of us can go.

PS - Go fuck yourself.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 12:24:52 CEST 2009 from c-59-101-30-61.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.30.61)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Criticism

Perhaps we've all been a little more sensitive to criticism as we see people actually connected to The Band join in: even though this is relatively anonymous, it's still harder to be 'critical' about people when we know that anyone can see it. Now there's no shame in a 4 star album: because I won't hear it for a bit, I'm interested to hear why Peter thinks its not quite as good as 'Dirt Farmer' - adn I can even listen to Peter's opinion (and maybe agree with it) without discounting Pat's opinion that it is a natural progression of 'Dirt Farmer' (I remember that Pat said something along the lines of Dirt Farmer was with a horse, and Electric Dirt was with a tractor... I loved the imagery, in any case...)

I think criticism (discussing the various merits and demerits of work in a reasonable way) is necessary. And I think you can say things which are harsh, as long as they're not personal: 'Levon's new album sucks and he is an idiot' is not acceptable (nor true). 'I didn't care for Levon doing a Grateful Dead song, becuase I didn't think it suited his voice' is, provided that can be sustained through argument. (I really don't know if it can - haven't heard the album.) But I don't think true criticism hurts in the long term (though as one who occasionally performs in public, criticism stings, even when well intentioned... but I take on the reasonable, true stuff, and try and ignore the rest (take what you need and leave the rest...) /n Along with Peter, is there anyone who thought that Electric Dirt wasn't as good as Dirt Farmer?


Entered at Fri Jul 17 11:10:12 CEST 2009 from 121-73-137-113.cable.telstraclear.net (121.73.137.113)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: names

I wonder what else journalists have missed over the years. I guess Robbie's name was legally changed.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 10:10:14 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I conclude that this GB is near terminal decline. Whenever the music of The Band or related artists gets discussed, the subject gets too touchy for the “cheerleader” segment as any discussion involves rating and therefore comparison with past work, so potentially criticism. For example, I would say Dirt Farmer was a five star album, but Electric Dirt a worthy four star album. There’s interest in that difference worth discussing. But actually, like North Koreans in the voting booth, there’s only one choice of assessment to be made on Levon. The voting card has been pre-marked “five.” (for your comfort and convenience at this time).

So we recycle platitudes and inanities. I thought the “cheerleaders” had started their own website for that, but seemingly we’re all now supposed to be the town boosters for the memory of The Band rather than interested listeners to the music and anything new. Watching golf on television as a topic for discussion is about as low as it can go. Myself I spent yesterday watching paint dry. You may be interested to know that as far as I can ascertain, magnolia and brillant white vinyl silk paint dry at very close to the same speed. For a moment I thought the magnolia was just ahead, but then it had been applied a little earlier, and I hadn’t calibrated my chronometer.

Then a mildly humorous comment on civil servants and politicians gets a full blast of moral outrage and retribution. This place used to be full of humour (and indeed bile and backbiting) but it was at least interesting, we hadn’t got down to sending each other daily lobotomized prayers and hugs. Off to read "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest".


Entered at Fri Jul 17 08:53:18 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks Sebastian. That basic fact of the birth name escaped all the biographers and journalists over the last forty odd years!


Entered at Fri Jul 17 07:22:43 CEST 2009 from cpe-76-91-189-107.socal.res.rr.com (76.91.189.107)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: names

My dad's birth name is Jaime Royal Klegerman. When his mother remarried after the death of his father (I believe my dad was 2 when his father died) he and his mother took on the name Robertson. Robbie was a shortened version of Robertson which was given to him in middle school. Jim Robertson raised my dad and was the only father he knew.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 02:11:08 CEST 2009 from (206.53.153.149)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: BS

Steve: I found your earlier post today not only uncalled for, but offensive as well. Brave men and woman are making the ultimate sacrifice for their country. I would suggest you find a more appropriate forum for your BS, as I'm getting tired of scrolling through such nonsense. That's just my opinion and maybe others enjoy that crap, but I fail to see its relevence here.


Entered at Fri Jul 17 00:36:11 CEST 2009 from 21cust22.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.22)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I thought Palin Was The Main Dunderhead On The Ticket

Joan, I believe the actual quote is" you gotta serve somebody", but I think your way of wording the sentiment is at least as clear as His Bobness's. Knowing Bob's fondness for borrowing without attribution, maybe he was paraphrasing you.

McBrain-Dead Talking. I'm trying this out as the title for McCain's autobiography should he ever get around to it. Did he actually say today," This gov't( Obama's) has run up the largest deficit by any gov't of this country in peacetime, ever". I'm sure that's what I heard him say but it's so fucked up I need confirmation on it. Anyone else hear that?


Entered at Fri Jul 17 00:11:28 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve

We've all gotta serve someone.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:43:05 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

What a 'real' name is can be a tricky thing. Was Robbie's mother formally / legally married to Mr Klegerman before Robbie was born? Yes or no, his 'real' name would have been changed to 'Robertson' if Mr Robertson formally adopted him when or after marrying Robbie's mother. That seems likely to have been the case, as Robbie's kept the surname through the years. Maybe Sebastian would care to comment - though it's personal stuff and I certainly wouldn't mind if he didn't.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 22:14:03 CEST 2009 from d207-216-1-252.bchsia.telus.net (207.216.1.252)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Serenity

Yes Serenity. I had forgotten that. Thank-you.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 21:58:04 CEST 2009 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Paul McCartney & ROBBIE

LINK: BONK: ROBBIE's real name is in this link of his bio. Real name is Klegerman, not ROBERTSON as you may think. [Or did you?]

LARS: ROBBIE is a mason too. Seems to me I read it some place.

CHARLIE Y: Good story, lucky lady.

BOB W. & KEVIN J.:Thanx for links. Great show and nice to see it again. The sound is so much better than in the studio.

Take care & God Bless xoxoxo


Entered at Thu Jul 16 20:57:08 CEST 2009 from 21cust219.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.219)

Posted by:

Steve

Joan, does that include, civil servants and politicians?

Thanks Dunc, I'll get out my atlas and see exactly where Arran is. Sounds like it might be in the Persian Gulf!


Entered at Thu Jul 16 18:55:17 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bob W

My thoughts and prayers for Chris. I really admire all the young men and women who have chosen to serve this country.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Babe Ruth vs. Toronto

BILL M.- Babe Ruth's only minor league home run was hit in 1914, in Toronto, while the young George Ruth was playing for the Providence minor league baseball team. He threw a one hit shutout in that game; final score was 9-0.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 17:48:36 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

JTF / Pat B: I wondered at first why the club playing on top of the hill didn't call themselves the Hilltoppers. That caused me to go the Wikipedia entry for the Hilltoppers music group, who I learned were from Kentucky, where 'the Hilltoppers' is what the local teams in the western part of the state are called. So I guess the name was taken, and anyway, 'Highlanders' sounds classier than 'Hilltoppers', doncha think?

Also, local lore has Babe Ruth's first home run as a minor leaguer being hit at Toronto's first pro baseball field, on Toronto Island. I don't remember if he was on Toronto's team (who were later, if not then, part of the Red Stockings organisation) at the time, or on some visiting team.


Entered at Thu Jul 16 17:41:12 CEST 2009 from host86-148-97-129.range86-148.btcentralplus.com (86.148.97.129)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M, Bob W, Steve

Bill M:Great books. Correct. It is sad when you come across the remnants of a village, where you know the people were forced off the land to make way for sheep. It really annoys me that so few people own so much of the land and don't live there apart from a few weeks of the year on big estates, don't go to the local schools etc. However since your time there, a great development has been the buying of estates by groups of crofters, who finally get to own their own croft. There is a massive statue on a hill commemorating the Duke of Sutherland. I would like this torn down and replaced with a statue commemorating the cleared crofters. I can't wait for the abolishment of the House of Lords. We don't have hereditary peers now, but lords are still appointed. Because of the expenses scandal, the standing of politicians is at an all time low. Hopefully this will lead to change.

Band connection. You can understand why Dylan has a house in the Highlands...because he'll get peace there. He knows his Burns...'My Heart's in the Highlands'.

Bob W. It's a great place. I was helping Americans get there yesterday. My grandson and I cycled around a beautiful small cycle friendly island called Cumbrae yesterday just off that coast. The island you see on the TV coverage is called Arran and we used to spend family holidays there...a great place given the nickname Scotland in Miniature. (STEVE-Arran is where your family probably visited for excursions.) Golf is reasonably priced here and many people play it. Although I really enjoy sport, I never played golf seriously, being involved in football, hockey(field) and running.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Subject: Yankees

Pat, I should add that the name 'Yankees' came about from sports reporting of a now defunct local newspaper, which nicknamed the Highlanders 'Yankees', in a similar way that the original Washington Senators official name had actually been 'Nationals' for a long time prior to officially being changed to 'Senators'. After moving from Hilltop Park the now renamed Yankees moved to the Polo Grounds around 1912, and rented the facility from the NY Giants. After acquiring Babe Ruth, the Yankees began to outdraw the Giants in their own park, and got evicted. Yankee Stadium was quickly built across the East River in the then rural boondocks, the South Bronx. The new stadium was clearly visible to the Giants in the outfield of the Polo Grounds. Due to the proximity of both parks, once the the automobile era was in full swing, Yankees fans could park at the Polo Grounds and cross the bridge to Yankee Stadium. If you go to my link, go to the topic 'baseball parks and stadiums' or something close to that, and their are subtopics on the Polo Grounds, Yankee Stadium, and other modern, demolished, and historical parks that you will probably find historically fascinating. In fact, I spend a lot of my web time over there now. If the link does not work it is baseball-fever with the hyphen.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Interesting reading from the former Band associate.


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Posted by:

Pat B

jtf, the term "Highlander" predates the American Civil War by almost a thousand years, so I would imagine the name came from a number of useful sources. I didn't know the scoundrels played at Polo Grounds. Of course, naming themselves the Yankees probably had a bit more to do with the late unpleasentness.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Turnberry

Dunc, I'm watching some of the Open from Turnberry. Stunningly beautiful place. Looks like a sparkling day on Scotland's west coast. I hope you are enjoying the same.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

dlew, Kevin,.....sincerest thanks. It is going to be a long year for Chris and all of us who love him. He remains stateside for the short term and we are all trying not to start the worrying quite yet. Far easier said than done.

Kevin, I was just checking out the show from last night. Great job by the Letterman Show and McCartney knocked it out of the park once again. More video linked above.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I suspect you know John Prebble's several books on Culloden and its consequences, but if not I heartily recommend "The Highland Clearances", which is the only one I've read - because of the role of the clearances in the population of Canada and New Zealand (and other countries too). What came across to me as a central consideration is that while the Hanovers may have had an interest in breaking up the Highland way of life, the true villains were the Scottish tribal chiefs who came to the realisation that since all of the land was in their names, they could legally do what they wanted with it, and since there was more wealth in raising sheep than looking after the welfare of lowly tribe-members they cleared out the people. Sort of like if QE2 decided to sell off all of the buildings and land owned in her name and sticking the money in a swiss bank account. Anyway, I was struck by the emptiness of the area that I hitched through in the '80s (I remember the names Diagbaig and Alisaig), and the sight of all the piles of stone that had been cottages two hundred years before.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: New York Highlanders

Pat, the name of NY Yankees predecessors, the Highlanders, does not derive from any Civil War regiments, but rather the location of their park, Hilltop Park, which was located on the highest point in Manhattan. They played there prior to their relocation to the Polo Grounds. Homeplate of Hilltop Park is memorialized in the lobby of, I believe, Columbia University Hospital (but it might be NY Presbyterian, I'd have to double check).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link is to Paul M on Letterman last night....I really enjoyed it.....Excellent choice of songs and as always beautifully perfomed...... bob w: I second dlew's thoughts.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Bob W: thoughts are with you

Hoping for a speedy and safe return for your son.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Thanks for sharing that one, Charlie. Chris called tonight to confirm he'll likely be leaving for Afghanistan pretty soon. I, like that lucky lady, would trade that money for his safety in half a heartbeat.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

I want to give a shout out to Levon for making another great album. You sure picked great people to make it with yet again. Keep on rocking, man.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Sometimes Good Things Happen to Good People

Bob: I know a woman at a local grocery store whose son is in the Army in Iraq right now. She's friendly, hard-working and a real asset to the store. She told me the other day she had stopped at a convenience store "for a six-pack" and did something she rarely does--buy a lottery ticket. A few days later she couldn't believe it when she learned she'd won $250,000! I know she'd rather have her son safe at home, but I don't know anyone who deserved to win that lottery more that she does.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: the deep south in Ulster County

Subject: Stone masons in the Civil War and Woodstock

PAT- I never heard of a stone mason regiment, but if there was one they were probably a bunch of muscular men who refused to accept orders during coffee break, "You know what you can do with your "charge," Captain. We ain't no freakin' electricians."

Stone masonry has a definite link to The Band. The Band lived in the middle of the Catskill bluestone quarries. Levon used it on both of his studios (more on the surviving one). Randy Ciarlante and I were stone masons together in the late 1980's. Larry Packer worked a few summers building stone walls. He told me Professor Louie helped him on one of his walls, back in the days of their youth. Randy's still laying stone around his place.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Civil War,etc.

LINK: DUNC: For you on the American Civil war. I found this very interesting, and hope you have the time to read some of it. I think it's one of the most interesting times in history. I have the Ken Burns' series and it is fantastic, as well as TV's "Civil War Journal", hosted by Danny Glover. Also an excellent series. ROBBIE called it "romantic", and it was all of that too.

SEBASTIAN: We will be looking forward to the release of your dad's new CD. Now if only we can get our NORM out with his.

NORM: Calm down, kiddo, we know you're "working hard" at it. We are just anxious to hear it. Give your mom our love and hope she has a nice visit with you and Susan, which she probably is. How can she help not to, with a nice guy like you...

BOB W: Thanks. I'm looking forward to Paul McCartney on Dave's show tonight. Don't think he could top Chris Farley's on the link you posted. That was really funny. and I'm not a fan of Chris Farley. [May he RIP]

Take care and God bless.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxox


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: DUNC

Besides my own family name being cleared, it's interesting to note the name ROBERTSON on the list. Geez Dunc, do you think we can get our Castle back?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bob W

Bob W:Good, it must give you peace of mind. My younger cousin, who is 51, is there.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

Westcoaster:After finding out about your family up north, I got nowhere with Dollar connections. Perhaps because it was in the school holidays. Give me your relation's name, whose portrait was on the wall, and I'll give it another go.

Pat. Very interesting. The clearances from the Highland went on for many years and it's still an 'empty' part of Europe. I should do more reading on the American Civil War, but it's all about time. I think I've got enough historical interests.

Bonk:Thanks for the post. That's the civil war I'm interested in. That's not big news here. After the defeat of the Jacobites at Culloden the aim of the Hanoverians was to destroy the Highland way of life.

My son and daughter in law saw Bruce at the National Stadium last night. They thought it was great.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Norm, with Robbie's next CD in the works the race is on for you.

Dunc, thanks for your kindness. Chris is safe at Camp Pendleton (near San Diego, California) for now. He may be headed for Afghanistan but no date as yet. I keep your brave men and women in my thoughts and prayers as well.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Jacobite Families of Scotland

Very interesting story in to-days National Post concerning the Jacobite families of Scotland and how they were ATTAINTED and exiled. It seems that 250 years later Scottish Parliament is about to fix this and remove any stigma associated with anyone that supported Bonnie Prince Charlie. Go to nationalpost.com


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The monument is much more impressive than what is shown here. However it is true that it sits rather weirdly on a Knoxville sidewalk near an intersection.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Dunc, I did a lot of research on the 79th NY Highlanders. A good friend also researched them to the point of writing a regimental history, but his PHD is taking up all his time these days. Lars certainly piqued my interest when he posted that the Yankees were originally called the Highlanders. There was a large Scottish presence in Brooklyn before the Civil War due to the quarries and the need for stonecutters. Many of them had formed a militia unit that eventually morphed into the 79th. I've stood on almost every spot where they fought except for the Vicksburg Campaign, and I know I have pix of their monument in Knoxville although you can probably find one on the internets.

On this Monday past, I took my 11 year old son to see Green Day, and they were spectacular.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dazed & Confused

Damn Bill, did I not give you the right address? If so I'm sorry. I'll e mail it shortly here. I just came on here, while I was waiting for an e mail about a job. (We, like a lot of you I suppose do a lot of job pricing and communica by the e.)

I'm not quite sure I'm following you Bob. You'll have to give me an e.

Dunc: Dollar Academy......my mom is here at the moment visiting me. My older brother just phoned me, railing on me because I haven't got this gawd damn CD finished. He has summer people up at his lodge in Rivers Inlet demanding to know where it is. I finally got frustrated, I said, "fuck all of yuz, now I'M NOT DOIN' IT! Y'all won't leave me be."

Any way my mum and Susan and I were sitting having tea, and my mum started with the lecture. You have to share your music dear! All you boys are musical, and it's to share. So Susan says, isn't it funny they all play music. So mum says, well their father played music, and my father, when at Dollar Academy, was awarded a gold medal from the Royal Academy of music in London. Well SHIT! I ain't got no gold medals. All I get is shit because of this gawd damn unfinished CD!


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Various, Pat B

It was 40 years ago yesterday that the Band were joined on stage at the Mississippi River Festival by Bob Dylan, introduced as Elmer Johnson. Was anybody there? I don't think it is on JAN's website. Thanks for the website, Jan. If they were there would they mind sharing the experience?

Would have written about the above yesterday, but I was in Edinburgh telling the grandchildren about their heritage. William Wallace is a great hero. PAT B - you probably know this already, but the only American Civil War memorial outside America is in Scotland. See link. There was also a Scottish book published recently about the role of Clyde built ships in blockades. Do you know about this? I'm interested in a different Civil War.

Talking about culture,SEBASTIAN. Looking forward to the new album and if it hadn't been for Robbie Robertson (and PETER VINEY) I wouldn't have spent a great day with people of the six nations and the Meti at Black Creek Pioneer Village. I still really enjoy 'Making a Noise' and 'Unbound' and indeed the whole album. I think the guitar riff (first riff) on 'Unbound' is one of the great Rob riffs. Does he? Last time I wrote to you SEBASTIAN, somebody suggested I was a crawler. They don't know me.

Bob W. This has been a terrible week in Britain for the military. Hope things are well with your son? I was thinking about you as I was cycling around the nearest island with my grandson today.

Enjoying Electric Dirt, but still not played it enough.


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Posted by:

tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Jim Weider article


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Posted by:

Kevin T

Location: Pittsburgh
Web: My link

Subject: Levon's Show In Pittsburgh 7/14

Folks, Just wanted to pass along some info from the show last night. Levon opened for The Black Crows at Pittsburgh's Station Square on Tuesday night. The show was great, though about three songs in I began to wonder when Levon was going to start singing! After a couple more, the last being "Deep Elum Blues" with our boy on mandolin it became obvious that he wasn't going to sing. Larry Cambell explained to us that Levon had a sore throat and wasn't going to sing. A mild dissapointment to be sure but made up for by the beautiful singing of Amy, Theresa, Larry and the keyboard player (no,I didn't catch his name). They even trotted out the Robinson boys to help on "The Weight" which was pretty nice. Theresa and Amy did a sweet job on "Long Black Veil" and Theresa really shone on "It Makes No Difference"-brought a tear to my eye. One other note. I was in section 100 row "K" and two rows in front of me was a beautiful blonde woman with blue eyes in a white top,khaki shorts and running shoes with an "Electric Dirt" poster. If she reads this list or you know her, have her contact me. I'd sure like to find her-I lost her in the crowd.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Westcoaster: I think the "Engine Engine #9" songwriter's concern was not that she got on in Baltimore but that she got off in Baltimore. Anyway, is there a new mailing address?

While on the topic of Baltimore, it's worth noting that the city rates a mention in our guys' "Ferdinand The Imposter", either because of a hospital there or because it was as close as Robbie could get to a rhyme with 'Doukhobour', as sadavid pointed out in his article-length study of the song.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Test...

Cleaning up... on holiday... all is well. Holland next!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Norm, it is official. The race is on!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sebastian\ "Thumbs"

Thank you for the update Sebastian. I'm looking forward to the release.

The tune Thumbs was playing sounds like a song we used to square dance to at summer camp. "The Jessie Polka Square.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Good to see you back Jersey Girl. FYI: the 8th race at Belmont Park today is named "The Jersey Girl Stakes". I recommend the #2 horse "Slam The Cat". Good luck!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson

I have been listening to the first two RR releases a lot in recent months and the song Ameican Roulette really resonates given all that has been going on in the news lately. It also happens to be a great tune to play loudly in the car on long drives! I just hope that there is a lot of guitar on the new album…….a Christmas 2009 release?


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

That's wonderful news, Sebastian. Thank you for letting us know, and please let your dad know his fans are eagerly awaiting his new work.


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Posted by:

Deb

Thanks, Sebastian. I'm really looking forward to hearing your dad's new work.

Who are the artists you've been working with?


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: New Songs...

Hey Everyone- Just wanted to let you know I sat down with my dad the other day and had a little listening party. I played him two artists that I've been working with and he played me about 5 rough tracks from his upcoming album. In my opinion it's his best stuff since the days of The Band. Lyrically, guitar-wise, and emotionally it's some of the most charged stuff he's ever done. You won't be disappointed. However the release is quite a ways off... Cheers.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: McCartney on the Letterman Show

Serenity, thanks for the heads up. Let's hope Dave does as good a job as Chris did.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

David P: Thanks for the link to Thumbs Carllile (sp?), another guy I'd never heard of before. I really like the "Li'l Liza Jane" clip, partly for the music and partly because it looked so much like Don Messer and the Islanders playing on "Don Messers Jubilee" through the fifties and sixties (and on radio for years before that) - especially the way the pianist (who can forget Waldo Munro from Messer's band?) looks and smiles at the camera. Of course "Liza Jane" was a song that our guys had done for years with Ronnie Hawkins before recording it in '65 as "Go Go Liza Jane". Presumably because it was in the Hawkins repertoire, the song was recorded earlier in the '60s by a Hamilton group, Nicky Moore and the Sceptres, and included on their only LP - and as one side of their only 45. The flip side of that 45 was "Lonely Weekends", a song that Hawkins later recorded ('71) with Terry Danko on bass.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: All Thumbs

Serentity: There's a link connecting Roger Miller with The Band. The amazing guitarist Kenneth "Thumbs" Carllile, who was a friend of Garth's & The Band, played in Roger Miller's band for many years. I've provided a link above to some great videos of Mr. Carllile performing his unique style of guitar. Check out his version of "Mystery Train"!!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Assorted..

Dave Letterman has Paul McCartney as his only guest Wed.

KEVIN J: Thanx for the mention. Carlos Santana is one great guitarist. So smooth to listen to.

DLEW: I'll take Sinatra, but I do like Tony too. I remember having a Sinatra jacket when he was so popular. It was a 2-tone brown, and I wore it everywhere. Very popular at the time.

N. BOY: Good speech and "well written".

BEG: Love that "Crazy Love". I have the CD and have listened to it often. Our ROBBIE's guitar playing was exceptional. [As it always is]

NORM: You brought memories back too with that excerpt of Roger Millers'. I saw him live and he was a great entertainer. I had all his LP's at one time. Now I have CD's. He was a wonderful person, who, like so many others, died too young.

DAVID P: Thanx to you too for bringing back some childhood memories. My dad always listened to the Grand Ole Opry, and then I did too. Eddy Arnold was my fave. I can still remember him being on after Ernest Tubb [12:30AM], who was on after Bill Monroe [didn't care too much for him]. A few years ago NBC carried it on Saturdays at 7PM. Still had a few of the oldies. I loved Marty Robbins too.

Nice "talking" to you guys again.

Take care and God Bless.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Cadet Poe

EDGAR ALLEN POE trivia: Mr. Poe attended the USMA at West Point during 1830-31. Got pissed off at his family and decided to flunk out, which doesn't take long at a strict institution like W. P.

Also, speaking of Baltimore, the original Baltimore Orioles became the New York Highlanders in 1901. The Highlanders evolved into the NY Yankees a couple of years later. Even Babe Ruth got his start in Baltimore (born there in 1895).


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Thanks for the Q tip.

David P: Thanks for posting that Hemphill tribute. Never heard of the guy, but will now watch for the name.

Charlie Y: Given the U of V's links to Edgar Allen, I'd like to think that somebody's seen fit to fund a Poe Chair of Literature there.

Re Baltimore, I mostly think of Tim Hardin's line, "Lady came from Baltimore, all she wore was lace". It's amazing that Ronnie Hawkins managed to make it through that entire song on at least two separate albums without a single lascivious aside. Do you think he'd've called her "Hon"?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Shore Leave

Subject: Engine Engine # 9

Engine, engine number 9, comin down the railroad line, I KNOW SHE GOT ON IN BALTIMORE!

Well 110 miles ain't much distance, It sure do make her different. I don't think she loves me...anymore


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Dylan's real boots

Charlie mentioned the passing of Tom Wilkes and I'm reminded of how CD packaging has ruined the magic of so many classic album covers. I was pleased last week to see David Letterman hold up the LP cover of "Electric Dirt", rather than the CD, when Levon appeared on the Late Show.

One of Tom Wilkes' famous album cover designs has a Dylan connection, even though he didn't take part in the recording. Delaney & Bonnie & Friends "On Tour with Eric Clapton" features a Barry Feinstein photo of Albert Grossman's Rolls-Royce with Dylan's boots hanging out the window on the front cover. Mr. Wilkes' own photo of the all-star group is featured on the back cover.


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Posted by:

Steve

The Streets Of Baltimore, where the women who walk the streets call Charlie, hon.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Whispering Pines

Bill, author, Jason Schneider will be on Q tomorrow morning sometime between 10 and 11;30 for a half hour interview about the book. John Cleese will be on for a full hour Thursday morning.


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Posted by:

Pat B

"Baltimore" by Randy Newman, covered by Nils Lofren (among others I reckon).

"As long as Baltimore" was a phrase we employed in the early 80's thanks to a friend named Wiley.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

"...now me and Jake work down on the river, on a ferry called the Baltimore..." -J.R. Robertson (1970)

And Jan, I've been to Poe's grave. The neighborhood fits him. There's a great Poe exhibit at the University of Virginia right now. It includes one of twelve known copies of Poe's first book, "Tamerlane," currently the most valuable book ever published in the United States.


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Posted by:

David P.

"William Zantzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger
At a Baltimore hotel, society gath'rin'..."


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Bill M - absolutely -- I grew up in a neighborhood full of boys. The oldest and worst bully is now the district attorney in the county where we were raised (and was rumored to be considering a run for the governership of Ala) All those football games and fights also might explain why I don't care to be called "hon" when I'm in Baltimore (or anywhere else for that matter).

I've always wanted to visit Poe's grave in Baltimore, I'm just not willing to take my life in my own hands for a historical thrill. Didn't know about Zappa being born there -- interesting.

I'd have to say The Beatles are like Washington DC . . . The Stones more like, oh, I dunno, Pittsburgh? Detroit? New Orleans?

Noticed in the ATL paper yesterday that "The Big House," in Macon, Ga where the Allman Bros Band lived/worked early on is being opened as a museum soon. Maybe Big Pink won't be far behind?

J.F.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: The "Carny" Soundtrack

The "Carny" soundtrack (Warner Bros. - vinyl - new or used) can be purchased from a variety of sellers on Amazon among other sites.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Another treat for music fans of Robbie Robertson who don't have his songs from various soundtracks. I have all of them except from "Carny". If anyone can help out please let me know.

"Crazy Love" with Aaron Neville mp3 that you can download.

Sheer beauty and love especially at 2:10 and 3:52 onward. :-D


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Posted by:

Peter V

Would the "Charm City" name have anything to do with "The Wire" which was filmed there? Hmm. Perhaps not!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks to Carol Caffin for wishing Robbie Robertson a Happy Birthday on her Rick Danko site. :-D


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: On Baltimore

Jan: I really love Baltimore but I'm not sure of the origin of the "Charm City" nickname. Anyplace where women call me "hon" frequently (part of the local culture) makes me want to return, though. Baltimore is edgy and blue collar compared to DC's government-as-college-town culture. In many ways I feel more at home in Baltimore than in DC, though I live much closer to DC and have spent much more time there. Making a musical analogy, I'd say Balimore is like The Band while DC more like The Rolling Stones. Does that make sense?

Anyway, Baltimore is the final resting place of Poe, the birthplace of Frank Zappa, the site of the glory days of Johnny Unitas, and the home of John Waters and Cal Ripken, Jr., so what could be bad about a city with that kind of character?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: From Birmingham to the end of the rainbow...

The talented Atlanta writer Paul Hemphill passed away Saturday. He was from Birmingham, Alabama; the son of a long-haul truck driver. Beginning as a newspaper columnist and later as the author of 15 books, including novels and non-fiction, he had an ear for telling the stories of everyday people in the South.

His landmark book "The Nashville Sound: Bright Lights and Country Music", published in 1970, delved deep into the heart of country music. He had a love of baseball, as well as for the craft of writing, and his novel "Long Gone", written about minor league ball, was later adapted into an HBO film. His last book, published in 2005 at the same time he was stricken with serious health problems, was "Lovesick Blues: The Life of Hank Williams".

Here is a wonderful passage from "The Nashville Sound", originally published by Simon and Schuster and Pocket Books:

"If you were raised some 20 years ago in a place like Hamilton, Ala., or Norman, Okla., or Hazard, Ky., your Saturday nights took on a definite pattern. Once the chores were done and night began to close in, the entire family would huddle around the big Zenith radio in the living room and the old man would start hunting for 650 on the dial, for clear-channel WSM, 'the broadcasting service of the National Life and Accident Insurance Company, Nashville, Tennessee,' for the Grand Ole Opry. Then, until midnight, weary legs and cracked hands and broken spirits would be resurrected by the familiar sounds crackling over the radio: Ernest Tubb's bullfrog voice singing 'Walkin' the Floor Over You,' and Hank Williams yodeling his 'Lovesick Blues,' and Roy Acuff wailing 'Great Speckled Bird' as silvery ribbons of tears streamed down his deep-ridged face, and the crowd at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville whoopin at the absurdity of Cousin Minnie Pearl, in that store-bought hat with the price tag still dangling, giving out the latest gossip from her make-believe town (or was it?), Grinder Switch. The Opry leaves an indelible scar on your heart when you have let it be that big part of your young life, like the mark left by your mother's love, and a dream that won't let you go is the dream of one day going to Nashville and entering that same old auditorium and sitting through a whole night at the Opry. The dream is even more important, of course, to those who learn how to pick a guitar or sing. A country boy with a guitar dreams of playing on the stage of the Opry just as fevently as a kid with a baseball bat dreams of one day stepping into the batter's box at Yankee Stadium. The Opry is country music's Yankee Stadium and Carnegie Hall and White House. 'The Opry,' says General Manager Bud Wendell, 'is the end of the rainbow.'"


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jan F: I wouldn't care to be the QB in your neighbourhood, given that most football-playing kids in my day were able to zip through 1 to 5 even faster than grace. Lordmakeustrulythankfulforwhatwe'reabouttoreceiveamen. Five steamboats maybe ...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Always remember the classic New York Post headline “Headless Man Found in Topless Bar”


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Image Is Kinda Wagnerian

My favorite is the news paper headline from the early 70's," Vikings Win With Cox Out". The headline referred to a Vikings' win without field goal kicker, Fred Cox, who missed the game because of an injury.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Charlie, sounds like it was a nice time in Baltimore. Why, does anyone know, is Baltimore called "Charm City"? It's anything but charming. I still consider it a "Southern" town, but somehow gone strangely astray. After a few visits, we put it on our "been there, done that" list. Well, unless there is an interesting concert.

Sounds like the CFL’s fair catch rule is somewhat akin to my childhood memories of touch football (although in my neighborhood it was more like shove football). Weren’t you supposed to count to five (?) after the ball was snapped and then go after the quarterback?

J.F.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Never heard of Coleman before, but am certainly familiar with they type, which can be found in all televised sports it seems. That's why sports are best enjoyed with the TV on mute or else in an ethnic pub where you don't understand the language.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Colemanballs

Unintentionally funny bits of sports commentary are known as “Colemanballs” after the fortnightly column in Private Eye magazine, which has been listing them for years. It originates with sports commentator David Coleman. They’re often just dumb rather than rude.

Murray Walker on motor racing “We’ve had cars going off the track left, right and centre,” and “With half the race gone, that means there’s half the race to go.”

There are pages of them online if you Google “Colemanballs.” They include the boat race cox one.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve - glad you enjoyed it. Peter: my favourite piece of commenary

though I don't really believe it happened was at the Cambridge Oxford rowing regatta, and at the end of the race, the commentator said something along the lines of 'Isn't that nice, the Oxford Captain's wife is kissing the cox of the Cambridge team. What have I said?"

My favourite cricket sledge was from an overweight English cricketer to Glenn McGrath, the Australian fast bowler: McGrath said 'Why are you so fat?' and the batsman said, 'Because every time I f*ck your wife, she gives me a biscuit'... (You don't often see this one quoted any more, because Glenn McGrath's wife died of cancer - she was a dignified woman. Still, the quote is very funny, and not really aimed at Jane McGrath...)


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks Dlew, Frank was always one of my favorite singers.


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Posted by:

Peter V

As Dlew will confirm, the most famous piece of cricket commentary is this. During a Test match between the West Indies and England when Michael Holding was to bowl to English player Peter Willey, the commentator at the time, Brian Johnston, described the action as "The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" (a double entendre, as 'willy' is English slang for a penis).


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Late, Great Tom Wilkes

A seminal figure in the art of music packaging passed away quietly in his home a couple of weeks ago--Tom Wilkes--at age 69. He suffered from ALS (aka "Lou Gehrig's disease).

Mr. Wilkes designed all the posters and other graphics for the very influential Monterey Pop Festival in 1967, and his photography and design turned up on classic LP covers including ones for the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Joe Cocker and George Harrison. He photographed Janis Joplin for the cover of the "Pearl" album just hours before she died. Mr. Wilkes was honored with a Grammy Award for the package of The Who's "Tommy" as performed by the London Symphony Orchestra and Chamber Choir.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Bennett on Sinatra

Thought some might enjoy...


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Zombies and Yardbirds and Davis (Oh My)

It was a nice evening for some live music on the Baltimore waterfront last night as a tour billing itself as "Rock Royalty (British Classic Rock)" rolled into Charm City. Each band performed earnestly and admirably, avoiding the "oldies concert" syndrome for the most part. It's always nice to be in a crowd that sings along when "Up On Cripple Creek" pops up on the intermission background music.

The Spencer Davis Group performed first, borrowing the lead vocal talents of one of the younger Yardbirds to sing "I'm a Man" and "Gimme Some Lovin'." Both brought the crowd to life and the evening got increasingly lively from there. The Yardbirds played their hits with the orginal drummer and rhythm guitarist leading the three young front guys admirably, "School of Rock" style. They also played some more obscure and edgy stuff to show they're not just an oldies outfit. The Zombies delivered an interesting mix of material with surprisingly strong vocals and some steller keyboard work from Rod Argent. It was worth the trip.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, it is pretty funny to hear folks react with the "Holding Ed George" any time his name comes up when you consider he was only here for two or three seasons over thirty years ago. Any long suffering Eagles fan worth his salt will recall the name without hesitation.


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Posted by:

Steve

David's right, Bill. The 15 years for illegal blocking was brought in by Gerald Ford who never quite understood he was president of the USA, not the NFL. He had an on going problem with the Alphabet his whole life. He fell behind in the first grade and could never quite catch up.

Bob, since his style of play was much the same in MTL, fans here thought that was his name as well but it was pronounced Olding of course.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: See you later crocagator

Listening to "Tree with roots" (thanks sadavid), I'm wondering who it is doing the responses to Dylan's calls on "See You Later, Allen Ginsberg". And is that Rick saying, "How does he write [cuts out]?"? Does that suggest that Dylan wrote the responses, or were they (and likely the calls) made up on the spot?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Captain called the waterboy and the waterboy laughed...

Bill M: Au contraire -- the most dangerous member of the Bush team was the waterboy. Under their rules, his duties took on new meaning.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Wow - 15 years for illegal blocking! Another legacy of Bush's Tough on Crime agenda?


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Posted by:

bob w.

The only time we heard Ed George's name on the public address system here in Philly it was preceded by the word "holding". A lot of fans thought Holding was his real first name.


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Posted by:

David P.

American football is still a dangerous game, despite rule changes designed for safety, mainly due to the increasing size and speed of the players. Hard-core fans well know that signaling for a fair catch doesn't always guarantee that the receiver won't get laid-out by an agressive coverage man. On the other hand, the NFL has adopted a change in the rules on kickoffs beginning next season. In a move designed to protect the coverage players on the kickoff team, the use of wedge blocking by the receiving team will be illegal, resulting in the enforcement a 15-year penalty from the point of the block. While many fans no doubt will question this change, it's a rare instance where a new rule is instigated to protect a defenseman, rather than an offensive player.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: All good reasons I'm sure, but a bit of context might help our American friends understand #4. The truth is, 99% of CFL players have to take 'real' jobs in the off-season to pay the bills, and nowadays you have to be bondable to drive a courier van.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, Jesse W along with Penny Lang and a couple of other groups will be playing an outdoor concert in the Chateauguay Valley ( Franklin Center)just south west of Montreal next weekend at an apple orchard. We used to live just a half mile down the road from the McMillan farm where the concert will be. It's called The Apple Hollow Music Festival.


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Posted by:

Steve

That's right, David, but perfecting the art of timing your attack on the receiver without actually slowing down is a CFL must. It's not like the coverage guys get there, come to a complete stop and then take two steps and gently take the receiver to the turf. Timing, like in most other aspects of life, is everything.

But you're right they have to give 5 yards before smushing the receiver. You can leave the ball on the ground and fake picking it up , trying to draw guys into a penalty but that has a short shelf life because the kicker if he gets down the field can pick up the ball and run with it, so you've got about 2 or 3 seconds before you have to pick it up and take your medicine. It's just another zany aspect of the game.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve – Funny and a good story…….reminds me of that one where if things ever got serious and authorities were ever required to determine if someone was actually a Canadian…….the question would be simple – “Where were you when Paul Henderson scored?” Anyone not able to answer would be shot on the spot as being an obvious imposter! For a Band link….the only off putting part of TLW for some is Robbie’s use of “Huh” ( “you’re still there huh” ) as opposed to the more Canadian “Eh”…….....Rick was polite enough to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving as I recall....

David P: No man should know all things guitar and the CFL "no yards" rule in one life. You are too good. Thanks, by the way, for the tip on Jesse Winchester - I am really enjoying it...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Third Down, 110 To Go

While there's no fair-catch rule, doesn't the CFL enforce a 5-yard halo, allowing the receiver ample room to catch the ball before he's clobbered?


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Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, I'd guess that Randy Bachman was playing a Gretsch guitar through the amp David mentioned. I say Gretsch because I think he plays Gretsch guitars almost exclusively. I think I mentioned a couple of months back that he sold or donated his collection of 300 plus guitars to the Gretsch museum/factory.

Kevin, I've just been taking down the CFL as a kind of self vaccination program in case I get dragged before a reconvened session of The Committee On Un American Posting. I want to be able to point at my history as an equal opportunity critic. Next I'm going to go to work on Sea Lion Dion.

Your mention of the fair catch in the NFL brings back a special inter league memory concerning the fair catch. Ed George, was a standout guard for the Alouettes in the early 70's. He left the Als after a couple of seasons and signed with the NFL. In one of his first games with The Eagles, The Eagles punted and big Ed went charging down field. The punt receiver put his hand up to signal a fair catch.

Unfortunately for the receiver the ball and Ed arrived at the same time and at about the same speed. Ed never slowed a step before flattening the poor bastard. Ed later claimed that that he'd forgotten about that sissy rule, strange since he was American who'd played college ball at Wake Forest and had played for Baltimore for a year before playing for The Eagles. He must have been having some kind of CFL flashback.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: The Number One Reason I'm Not Enjoying My New "Eclectic Dirt" CD

... could be connected to the fact that I'm still waiting for it to come via Amazon. Threw some other stuff on the order with it to dodge the shipping fee, so maybe that's why it's taking so long. Can't remember all the other stuff, but there was Dave Matthews for NG, Van's live Astral Weeks for the two of us and a couple of "must haves" by BC artists. Jim Byrnes "My Walking Stick" on the Blackhen Label is considered by some critics and by the artist himself to be his best to date. Better than "House of Refuge" ? Well, I'm from Missouri on that one. It contains a cover of The Band's "Ophelia', a slowed-down affair I understand, so we'll see how that works. The other "must have" Cd by a BC artist on my order also features a Band cover, namely "The Weight". I speak of course of the new Norm Jones Cd entitled "The Wait", out on the AnyDayNow label. Now I can't just put my finger on it, but why do I have the creeping suspicion that it's this one album holding up my entire Amazon order, and keeping me from enjoying Levon's new "Eclectic Dirt" Cd ? NB


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Serenity: The above link is for you…..

Steve……….I have almost no interest in football anymore but could not let that most tiresome of cliché ( the rough rider one ) pass without comment……here are some reasons why the CFL is the better brand of football to watch……..1. No fair catch – well paid athletes actually have to catch a ball and run with it on a punt as opposed to just saunter off the field as they do in the NFL…..2. 20 seconds between plays as opposed to 40 seconds – doesn’t everybody want games in all sports to move faster……3. Backfield in motion - much more exciting……….3. The final 5 minutes of a CFL game can actually have many lead changes and changes of possession ( due to 3 downs ) as opposed to just hanging on to the ball and letting the clock run out as usually happens in the NFL………4. 21% of NFL players have been arrested or indicted of major felonies – at last count, the CFL tally was below 1%....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dee: Thanks for the translation!

David P: Good to know that Gar Gillies' work is so well known. I had no idea.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: The Winnipeg Sound

I believe what you're hearing on "American Women" is that smooth overdrive/sustain that Randy Bachman achieved through the use of a Garnet Herzog tube pre-amp, a legendary sound in guitar circles. It was designed by Thomas Garnet "Gar" Gillies from Winnipeg for Mr. Bachman (see link).


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Joe J... Steve

Steve - it is an amazing sound on American Woman. In fact, until now, if you'd asked me, I'd have thought it was an organ. I assume a Gibson played through a Marshall. But my assumptions are often wrong.


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Posted by:

Steve

n. the Bachman part in, How Long, is not very long . Geez, I like answering questions. It's the guitar sound in American Woman that sounds almost like a synthesized organ sound. At least that's how I'd describe it.

I've never heard Colin described that way but it seems to fit. Both sides of his brain would work in harmony I guess.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Joe J/ NB

Joe thanks for that Richard Manuel song.

NB I love that speech. I hope someday to be able to use it.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Joe J. / The Best Retirement Speech I Ever Heard (Quoted here in its entirety)

It certainly does sneak up on a person, as you say. When a friend of mine's retirement dinner came along, he got up out of his seat in the crowded banquet hall, went up to the front to the microphone, waited for the din of the crowd to diminish, leaned into the mic and then literally said;

"I'M SHY AND RETIRING".

He then returned to his seat.

Absolutely brilliant !

And from that day on I understood the secret of how to make public speaking look effortless - don't put any effort into it ! NB


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: C awFuL (CFL)

You're right Stevon. Just now I did indeed say them out loud, and yep, little to little to no similarity from a phonetic standpoint. Vastly different from when you say the following two items aloud, "Canadian Football Leagure" and "failed to gain ten yards so kick the ball away", which pretty much sound identical to all but the most discerning of ears (dogs and Superman).

I played BARK the other night in search of the Bachmanesque guitar. That album always sound fresh, for lack of a better word. Kind of like "The Weight". I don't think I'll ever tire of hearing that song. Didn't Colin Linden say something once along the lines of "other people's brains have a right and a left half, but I've got a Levon half and a Rick Danko half". As Canada's first living human brain donor, I personally have little to no idea what Mr. Linden's packing upstairs. Do you ever recall him articulating any worthy cogitations along these lines Steve ? (Mind you I could be making all this up; however, I'm somewhat confident that I'm not). NB


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Out On The Edge

Subject: Retirement

Retirement. No not me. Not likely.

In a hour I'll pick up my missus from the local health centre for what is supposed to be the last time. Time has flown. She'll have a 35th year reunion of her nursing class in Chicago next month. Her 28 years in Twillingate were preceded by 4 years at Teheran General. What's remarkable? Not a single knife or bullet wound to treat in all these years in Newfoundland.

I work out of my home office and am looking forward to having her around 24/7. I reserve the right to change my mind in a couple of months.

We're taking off to a location that's isolated, even by Newfoundland standards, for a whole week. Electricity for one hour a day. We won't miss it; Been there before. Then we're having an extended open house in festival season before making our separate ways to Illinois.

I intend to hear and see Marty Stuart, Scott Goudie and John Prine on my rambles.

See you all next month. I'll pay my tab when I get home.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: CFL Continued

Sorry, but there was one thing I forgot to mention when listing off all the reasons the CFL is an inferior league to the NFL.

In a league that for many years had 9 teams the owners were unable to come up with 9 different team names so two teams, Ottawa and Saskatchewan shared the same team name, The Rough Riders. Hoping that no one would notice that two teams had the same name in a 9 team league, Ottawa spelled their name Rough Riders while Saskatchewan stuck the two names together making a completely different name, Roughriders, that couldn't be confused with the Ottawa team. If you say the names out loud you'll see they don't sound at all alike.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Subject: The Ghost of Richard Manuel

I'll second that, thanks Joe.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Ghost

Thanks, Joe J.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: The Ghost of Richard Manuel

By 'Steppin' In It'


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Levon's acoustic version (video) of "King Fish."


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Various

Thanks David P, Bill M and BEG. I did some googling on Wayne Moss. I've posted a link to information on him. Did anybody see Barefoot Jerry his band or play the CDs? He talks about how good Joe South was.

Got Electric Dirt yesterday.

I'm away out for lunch to a beautiful cosmopolitan part of Glasgow. We've had good weather this summer.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: The BAND

LINK: Anyone interested in seeing/reading all things THE BAND, check this out. Didn't see too many pics, but a lot of reading in the archives. A complete list of their albums,etc.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks rhythm jimmy

he certainly fills those big shoes admirably.


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: levon on letterman

boy - I enjoyed seeing levon on letterman. and dave was so psyched after that commercial, right before the band played - reminded me of how I felt both times I got to make a Ramble. Bama - I've never heard of that song. But I did have a few too many beers tonite.... I do need to get back to Woodstock, though. Life is short. We're all getting old. Some getting older than others. (not me) Why not go? Let's go!


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Hideaway

Blast From The Past.

c1970 no?


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject:

LINK: Some good photos from 2009 concerts. Nice to see Bob Dylan smile. Very good pics of Dead, Bruce and many more. Is that really Robert Plant with Prince Charles? He looks different.

BEG: Good links as usual. You are an amazing poster to be sure. Thanx.

ARI S: Thanx for link, and all you other guys. Good ones.

BOB W: Thanx for link,but I was lucky to see it and tape it on a video.

KEVIN J: Thanx to you too for your link. Since I watch a lot of late night TV shows, I find the music never sounds good. The music seems to drown out the vocals at times. That's why the outdoor concerts sound so much better.

JAN F: Thanx for the memories of Clint Holmes' "Playground In My Mind". It was one of my daughters' faves when she was 3 years old. Along with "Sneaky Snake" by Tom T. Hall and "Lily,The Pink" by the Irish Rovers. Novelty tunes were so "catchy" and seem to linger in your memory. I love them. I can still remember some when I was young, and that's many moons ago...

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Web: My link

Well, in the end game... I did order my Electric Dirt straight from the generator site... and I looked at the merchandise page too... but nope, no skateboard/guitar case stickers for sale yet... so when my kid flies off the ramp doing an "Indy" and the other kids are oooing and ahhhhing... all they will see right now on the bottom of his board... are stickers by the Allman Bros. and the Dead... hehehe...


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Web: My link

See link Jimmy...


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: French from France

Had lunch with my friend, a native of France. Here is her version of cast-iron frying pan which she broke down into it's parts.

frying pan = poele a frire or sauteuse

cast-iron = fonte

well-oiled = bien graiss'e (Not a French keyboard)

oiled = graisse or huile

She said bien graiss'e is often used when describing a politician.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Sure cure for earworms

Joan, I prescribe listening to The Brown Album, volume as loud as tolerated. Dancing optional, but highly recommended.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

dlew, I haven't seen the Letterman show, but the keyboard and accordion player on tour with the Levon Helm Band is Brian Mitchell. He sang a mean rendition of "Tangled Up in Blue" when the band played in St. Paul.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jan F

Oh no! First Richard comes in and the says he can't get "Mandy" out of his head, then you post Clint Holmes. Bad earworms. I must do something to get rid of them. :)


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Kevin, I didn't see your link as I didn't scroll down that far today -- so I'm glad I saw Ari's. Thanks to you both for posting the link -- it was worth posting twice!

I had to run out and get lunch today (usually bring my lunch from home). On my car radio (commerical) there was this moldy-oldy station playing the song posted below. If you remember it, and it gets stuck in your head all weekend, you can thank me on Monday 8-)

Playground in My Mind

Artist: Clint Holmes (peak Billboard position # 2 in 1973) Words and Music by Paul Vance and Lee Pockriss

1)When this old world gets me down and there's no love to be foundI close my eyes and soon I find I'm in a playground in my mind Where the children laugh and the children play

And we sing a song all day

2)My name is Michael, I've got a nickel, I've got a nickel shiny and new

I'm gonna buy me all kinds of candy, that's what I'm gonna do

3)In the wonders that I find in the playground in my mind In a world that used to be, close your eyes and follow me Where the children laugh and the children play And we'll sing a song all day

4)My girl is Cindy, when we get married we're gonna have a baby or two

We're gonna let them visit their grandma, that's what we're gonna do

Tonight, I'm headed about a mile down the road from where I work to Strathmore Hall to see Last Train Home perform on the lawn for $10!!!

J.F.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ari Ari

Ari: Scroll back a bit as I had already posted that clip this morning


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanks for the Letterman link, Ari S. It reminded me just how funny Letterman used to be. Also seeing a surprised Jay Leno in the green room, booked as a guest, as Levon had been, was equally interesting, particularly when Letterman jokingly told the audience later he didn't see anyone in the room that he knew — funny and ironic.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Letterman

It was great to see Levon do Tennessee Jed. I wish we could have seen what played during the commercial. Nice to see Jimmy Weider in there. Amy looked super. I think motherhood agrees with her. She's prettier than ever


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Letterman performance

Levon's probably still suffering the effects from a recent bout of laryngitis, which sidelined him when he was out on tour following the outdoor show at Red Rocks.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Damn, I forgot to note, again re the barnyard theme, that the album also includes a song called "Hit Him With Another Egg", which was punkish both attitudinally and musically (or proto-punkish, given that it's from '73). I guess there's also a similarity to their chum Valdy's "Rock And Roll Man", though Valdy faced not an egg but a chorus of boos and some track star yelling 'thank god he's leaving'. Still, it's a long way, in terms of audience relations, from the Woodstockian vibe of their 1970 song "Rain O": "In vain in vain I tell you, we're all the same but there you stand, saying 'Man it's not for real, 'cause you're the ones who get to steal the show', but I don't know, I guess you're right but even so, if there's no audience there just ain't no show".


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Subject: DAVID LETTERMAN INTERVIEW ON LEVON HELM MISSING THE SHOW

This is fantastic! Everybody should watch this.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Steve: While you're at it, you might ask the son's girlfriend about the lyric I'm listening to right now, from Chilliwack's "CS Man" - "I'm a chicken-shit man ... I try to do my damnedest but I never seem to get off the ground". To keep the rural theme going, they also do a (searing) version of "Groundhog".


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Posted by:

paul

Location: Chicago

Thats' got to be Robbie taking the lead on "Obviously 5 Believers." I've always thought the lick between verses came from Little Walter's "Up the Line." Has anyone ever heard this lick from any track before Little Walter, who did it in 1963?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Just stayed up to watch it...

Great stuff. (Thanks for posting Bob, but Letterman plays here 24 hours after the states - had to watch it 'live')

I think David P (as usual) was right when he said he thought htey did TNTDODD - Letterman was effusive. Levon's voice was a bit croaky, but none of that mattered. Great performance! I assume it was Amy on the Mandolin. I was surprised to see Levon used his own horn section - (pleasantly surprised). I htought he might use some of the Letterman band. Who was on the keyboards?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Link: Last night's performance on the Letterman Show.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Gen Du Whispering Pines

Thanks Sadavid for the cast iron frying pan. I'm going to wait for my son's girlfriend's complete sentence and do it properly for Bill, I've come too far to cut corners now. I have a feeling it's a sentence that won't translate directly. Anything to do with food doesn't seem to.

I've heard Gens du Pays so many times sung in restaurants by birthday wishers and it inevitably is carried on by someone with a large glass of wine in front of them into the complete patriotic chanson. Everyone seems to know the words and join in like yanks during the 7th inning stretch with Take Me Out To The Ballgame. I once heard it three times in one evening at a restaurant in Perce as group after group of tourists came in and feted someone in their group.

Bill, Jason Schneider will be on Q next week, I'll try and give you the day in advance.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Levon & Co sounded great on Letterman last night!... Yeah Peter, I go for the art work too... and being out of a job for the moment, it's more prudent for me to not pay the $20 at his site versus a cheaper version elsewhere... and save maybe enough in theory to buy online bonus tracks too... I understand the arguments for wanting to go direct to the artist... but then you gotta give me a skateboard sticker... or a little insert of Muddy pissing on a picture of Bush laying in the dirt... or something...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Levon on Dave 1983

The above link is one of the great talk show segments ever......illustrating how a no show can be turned into a lovely tribute.....you wanted talk about The Band on national TV - here it is!.....Enjoy!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Levon on Dave

TNTDODD was definitely kicked off by the house band before the commercial break and Dave was as excited as I have ever seen him when the show returned before Levon’s introduction…….Electric Dirt was well introduced and Levon did Tennessee Jed…….it was, unfortunately, a very rough performance…..That studio is notoriously kept at about 60 degrees fahrenheit and perhaps this affected Levon’s voice……


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LOL...This site states it's Wayne Moss afterall on both songs. I've never heard of him. Anyway, that's all.....gotta go.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Joe J: It's all good, as long as nobody tore it up and threw it in your face just for a laugh.

Dunc: I know only enough to be able to say it wasn't Robbie.

Steve: I can't say I followed the Guitar Nation story closely, but I did see occasional reports over the years. And I've seen the book - nice photos and a list of players - the first being Fearing of course.

Peter V: If you wander over to the link above you might find the liner notes to a Robbie Lane and the Disciples comp that Pacemaker released some years ago - as opposed to the recent reissue of "It's Happening". Although the Hawk stuff is not on the comp, it is covered in the Notes. The short version is that Hawk was indeed Hawkins' label. Hawkins released three records of his own (all back by the Disciples, who were called the Hawks) and the Disciples did two of their own. Plus another singer, Buddy Carlton, did one or two more backed by the Disciples. Ex-Suede, ex-Hawk Scott Cushnie was called back by Hawkins to help run the company, and he produced the first Hawkins and the first Robbie Lane 45. The second set (including the one you have) was produced by Fred Carter - though I don't believe he played on it. (I could go on, and will if you can't find what you need at the Pacemaker site.)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

From Every Bob Dylan Song:

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2009

Bob Dylan Song #72: I Want You

"This is one of the songs on Blonde on Blonde that really works best when you're listening to it through headphones. That way, you get to hear every element of the music working together in such harmony - Robbie Robertson's guitar dancing elegantly around the main melody, meshing beautifully with the organ's simple notes, while Dylan pounds away on the piano when he needs a little extra oomph. And, as the sour counterpoint to the sweetness of the band, there's Dylan's voice at it's most "Dylanesque" - that unique style of phrasing and gruff vocalisms that we all know and love (or tolerate, in some cases). It actually helps, in a lot of ways; a song that could possibly have been a little too twee is tempered by the sound of late night cigarettes and jaded weariness, even when it's singing lyrics about undying love. A pretty neat trick, that."


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The cracked bells and washed-out horns...

Dunc: That was Wayne Moss who played the great sixteenth-note guitar part on "I Want You". Al Kooper verified this is his book "Backstage Passes & Backstabbing Bastards" and in the liner notes to "No Direction Home". Mr. Kooper had this to say about Mr. Moss's playing on "I Want You":

"The first time he came up with that my jaw dropped -- not only for that lick, but for the effortlessness he played it with..."

In addition to his session work, Mr. Moss also operated Cinderella Studios outside of Nashville, where many artists have recorded over the years. He was also a prominent member of the groups Area Code 615 and Barefoot Jerry.

Mr. Kooper also pointed out that it was Joe South who played the soulful lead guitar licks on "Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again" and switched over to electric bass on "Visions Of Johanna".


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: ask Paul Prudhomme

Steve: although the Québecois version may well be different, Babelfish translates "cast-iron frying pan" as "poêle de fonte," which sounds about right. I googled the lyrics to "Gens du pays" (see [My link]) and it seems a sweet, sentimental thing with nary a mention of poêles of any sort.

There is a slight resonance with "Acadian Driftwood" (and Winwood / Capaldi "Many a Mile to Freedom") in:

Le temps de s'aimer, le jour de le dire

Fond comme la neige aux doigts du printemps

Fêtons de nos joies, fêtons de nos rires

Ces yeux ou nos regards se mirent

C'est demain que j'avais vingt ans


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hawk Records

Bill M. Today was a vinyl collectors dream day. A shop I know had bought in a big box of singles. The owner said I could have first look at £1 each before he sorted and priced them (and put at least half in his 50p box). A treasure trove including Howlin’ Wolf (I Ain’t Superstitious), Lloyd Price, Johnny Kidd, Eddie Cochran, Ral Donner, B.B. King etc. Sitting among them, the only imported single in the entire box was “Ain’t Love A Funny Thing / All The Big Boys” (both F. Carter) by Robbie Lane & The Disciples on Hawk Records (HR-005), “Produced in Canada”. I assume Hawk Records was a Ronnie label?


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, yes there is a Bachman /American Woman couple of moments at around 2.10 . It's the second guitar ( Stephen Fearing I think) that comes in after a couple of seconds of Colin ( I think) who starts the break.

Did you follow any of the 6 String Nation Guitar project by Jowi Taylor? Great story, hard to believe a guitar could be made from such a disparate collection of objects( Pierre Trudeau's canoe paddle to Don Cherry's pants). Actually, Cherry's pants are used in the case.

The first performance using the guitar was by Stephen Fearing. It was then passed on to Colin and then Tom Wilson to be used to open concerts. If you don't know the story google it. Part of Rocket Richards first Stanley Cup trophy( no rings back then ), pieces of John Ware's cabin and Bluenose 2 made it in as well. The finished product sounds great.

Back to BARK. The song that follows How Long, Something On My Mind, has vocals ( the chorus I think)that always reminds me of Keith and Mick. Let's Frolic Again, the album that just keeps on giving. Sorry for all the ( I thinks)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Bob and Peter

Thanks very much. I appreciate the effort involved. The great thing about this GB is that people are always willing to give time and share their knowledge.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Dunc, I could not say for certain who played the guitar parts on "I Want You". I don't think it was Robbie but again, I'm not certain. If I was forced to guess I might go with Joe South.

For the sake of conversation I do recall there is a bit of a "hiccup" in Dylan's delivery at the beginning of the line....."And because time was on his side" in the final verse. Interesting to wonder if Dylan simply chose to leave it there or if the expedient nature of the sessions left him no choice.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, Michael Krosgaard turned up the Columbia session records and published the results in The Telegraph 53 (Winter 1995). I’ve just dug it out. Al Kooper has noted that the Columbia notes are definitely wrong for 14 February 1966 when they cut Visions of Johanna and Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat which had Robbie on guitar, but not noted on the session log. Al Kooper was there. “I Want You” was recorded between 3 am and 7 am on March 10th 1966. The Columbia session notes have three guitarists present and paid, Joseph A. Souter (Joe South), Robbie Robertson and Wayne Moss.

Think I’ll get outside and play some football now.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Between Trains

Bill M, I'd love to think Richards's vocals are featured on BT but I can't really hear them - except maybe the "If I'm .." on the chorus.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks BEG

Forgot to say thanks BEG. Thank you. Enjoyed the read and downloaded 'Between Trains'.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Who's playing

Although I think I could identify Robbie from the playing on Planet Waves, (well I think I can, but maybe it's because I've got the sleeve notes in front of me)I couldn't say it's Robbie playing on 'I Want You' or indeed other Blonde on Blonde tracks.

I think the guitar playing on 'I Want You' is hauntingly beautiful - repetitive, yet not obtrusive. Rhythm guitar? In fact the track is beautifully played by all instruments - great drumming, keyboard and harmonica especially the crescendo at the end.

Quite often on 'I Want You' I forget to listen to the words,hope this is not sacreligious because the lyrics are great, but become engrossed in the music.

I've been doing my homework, but getting nowhere. But I did find out 'Blonde on Blonde' was nearly called 'I Want You'.

So David P, Bob W, Bill M, Peter V, Jeff, Jan H, Pat B, Ari or other expert put me out of my misery who's the guitarist playing on 'I Want You'? You're a guitarist Steve?

I'll take the answer from anyone - Levonista, Hudsonian, Robertsonian, Dankette, Manuelist or Bandito.

On holiday just now. After working hard with the grandkids, I've been sitting playing albums for a day and a half. Just as well I'm not still living with my mum or she'd be telling me to get outside and play football.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan - Bob Links - Olof's Yearly Chronicles - 1966. If this info is correct; Robbie missed the third session of BOB.

From Every Bob Dylan Song...

"And I know that there are going to be many of you partial to the Live 1966 version, where Dylan bites off his syllables with particular gusto and the acoustic accompaniment throws those lyrics into even sharper relief. But, to me, the studio version is one of his great accomplishments, the perfect melding of one of his greatest lyrics and a musical accompaniment that meshes to it with Superglue-like strength. I still remember one description of "Visions of Johanna"'s finest musical moment being that perfect little guitar lick after the "infinity goes on trial" line, and Robbie Robertson is certainly at his economical best on this song."

I missed Levon on Letterman this evening. How was it?

Good night....Goodbye....


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Posted by:

Friend0

Now that's a GB classic.

Look at tha ISP addy. I never really knew if Bobby Gregg was from Chicago or if he lived there now, but knew his Chicago connections were strong and plentiful.

Thank You Pat, for bringing Bobby Gregg into the fold. Even if just for a brief , shining moment.



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Posted by:

Pat B

I believe Levon did TNTDODD during the commercial break before Tennessee Jed. At least that's what Schaeffer's band began playing after Dave went to the break and is the probable reason why Dave was raving when they came back.


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Posted by:

Bobby Gregg

I'm sorry too, Pat B.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I'm sorry, Bobby Gregg.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: LEVON

Don't forget that LEVON is on Dave Letterman tonight. CYA xoxoxo


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: Dirt and out of control beards

Steve Earle's "The Mountain" is one of my favorites on Dirt Farmer. And I don't have Electric Dirt, but am glad to hear that Levon did some Randy Newman (I think that's what I picked up in my skimming tonite). It's fun to hear one of your old favorites doing songs of some of your other favorites. (new para) Steve Earle needs to shave that dogfreakin'gone beard, even if he does live in Woodstock. I'd rather see numerous chins than all that wild beardhair. Don't get me wrong - it looks marvelous on Garth, but Earle better shave it before the cruise or he's gonna be one hot, wierd-looking dude.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Whispering Pines

Bill, I blundered on to the race. I seem to have some new TV channels and 'Score' carried the Woodbine races. I heard Whispering Pines introduced in the post parade and stayed glued to the set wishing desperately I had some money down.

The nag started quick, faded quicker but rallied to show.

Listen Bill. I got a little dough. Maybe I'll take a second mortgage. This could be real.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill I haven't forgotten your How Long and American Woman question, I'll get to that later. Farming has occupied 20 of my last 24 hours. But at $0.17 an hour I can't pass up the cash.

Your request for the French equivalent of a "well oiled cast-iron frying pan" is not a simple as it might seem.

Well oiled frying pan is easy but cast-iron is the sinker.

I've asked two of my 3 bilingual and bi cultural kids and neither had any clue about cast-iron frying pan.

I thought for sure Katie would know. Her regular job is at a museum but she works part time as a cook at a restaurant which operates completely in french. But alas no cast iron frying pan work is done there. My last hope is Steve The Younger. If he doesn't know, his french girlfriend should. I love these adventures in French vocabulary.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: BoB

The various session notes for Blonde on Blonde by Krosgaard in Dylan magazine "The Telegraph" etc were over-ruled by Al Kooper who stated what the ears make clear. Robbie was on Visions of Johanna. I'd have to look it up, but somewhere Robbie mentions stepping down the road to get some cigarettes (remember those?) and one particular track being done in his absence.

On BOB the current Mojo has a long and revealing Dylan interview (with a lot of humour in it). Randy Newman is listed as one of his favourite songwriters (along with Gordon Lightfoot, Jimmy Buffett).


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Then, it's Richard Manuel over to the second set of drums (placed directly behind Levon for an interesting visual effect) while Bob goes to the piano for "Ballad of a Thin Man". Just like my RAH '66 boot!"

CONCERT REPORT:

Memphis TN

23 January 1974


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Pat B

Thanks for taking the time Pat B. I've got 'Can I Please Crawl Out Of Your Window?' on A Musical History. Interestingly, I've been reading Al Kooper's thoughts on 'Knocked Out Loaded' today. Not a happy man.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks very much

Thanks for taking the time David and Ari. Would Robbie be playing on 'I Want You'?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Dunc, at that point Dylan wasn't too happy with the Hawks in the studio. On "One of Us Must Know" Dylan replaced Garth and Richard with Al Kooper and Paul Griffin. I believe it's Mickey Gregg on the drums but I'm not exactly sure. I also believe the only Dylan/Hawks official studio release from that period is the remake of "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?"

Robbie is the only member of the Hawks who made the trip to Nashville. It wasn't until Planet Waves that the "Hawks" and Dylan recorded an album together.


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Posted by:

David P.

Ari: Yes, I neglected to mention that Robbie and Al Kooper were the only musicians from the N.Y. sessions that also played on the Nashville sessions. I believe Robbie played on almost all of those cuts, with the exception of "Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again" (which featured Joe South & Wayne Moss) and maybe one or two others.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: It's both an album and a song, and the song goes "A country man, a country man, a well-oiled cast-iron frying pan". Dot dot dot. Done at a fast singalong, clapalong pace that's bound to get the audience engaged when done live. We left the SARS fest early (missing AC/DC and the Stones) to get to Hugh's Room to see Valdy play that and others - though I hasten to add that I neither sang nor clapped along.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Subject: Dunc

I'm positive that Robbie played on Visions of Johanna and Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat. I know he played on more too, but I don't know about Rick.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Dunc: Robbie & Rick played on the earlier New York sessions before Dylan decided to record in Nashville. "One Of Us Must Know..." was the only song from those N.Y. sessions included on the album. The confusion arises because Robbie & Al Kooper are the only musicians credited, in addition to the Nashville cats and Joe South, on the album.

"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" b/w "Pledging My Time" was the big hit single, reaching #2 in Billboard. "I Want You" b/w "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" (live version recorded with the Hawks in Liverpool) reached #20. "Just Like A Woman" b/w "Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat" only reached #33.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, isn't, Country Man, an album not a song?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Blonde on Blonde Help?

I've been playing Blonde on Blonde a lot.

Jan's site has Robbie and Rick playing on 'One of Us Must Know'. But I think it has been discussed before in the GB that Robbie played on more than one track. Or am I wrong?

Could one of my American friends tell me what tracks from the album were hit singles?

Pronunciation correct, Dlew.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG/ CDs

BEG: Thanks for the King of Comedy songs. As usual you are a "treasure trove"

I like to buy CDs. I enjoy reading the liner notes,looking at the artwork etc. I'm forced to buy online. We only have 2 stores left. One is mostly used CDs, the other is a 45 minute drive. I have to be really commited.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Johnny Cash's Essential Country Song List

When she was 18, Rosanne Cash's famous father became worried about his daughter's tastes in music. Like others her age she was listening to rock & pop, so her father gave her a list of "100 Essential Country Songs" for her to learn as an education in the traditions of the genre. In October Ms. Cash will release the album entitled "The List" which culls a dozen songs from her father's country syllabus. Included is a duet with Jeff Tweedy of Wilco on "Long Black Veil", which her father first recorded in 1965, six years after Lefty Frizzell's definitive version.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Long Black Veil

Was it tongue-in-cheek? I think so. Levon said:

"We knew it from Lefty Frizell’s version and liked the story of the young man who goes to the gallows for a murder he didn’t commit because his alibi was that he was “in the arms of his best friend’s wife.” I guess we thought it was funny." (Levon Helm)


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Dave Matthews does a pretty cool groovin version of Long Black Viel on his live cd from the Meadowlands.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Regarding: . . .maybe we should suggest that anyone joining in the Electric Dirt discussion should scan their receipt . . . . . ., and then again there are those who sit in the corner shouting "Levon! Levon!" and "Take a Load off Fanny!" and who have everything on dubbed cassettes or CDRs given them by pals."

As most of the GB knows, I've been to several (five, I believe) Rambles and other Levon concerts (The Beacon, Charlottesville, VA). I will be attending the concert at Merriweather Post Pav. in Columbia, MD in August. I do this b/c I enjoy the music, but mainly b/c Levon is the only remaining member of THE BAND that performs live on a regular basis, and I do love hearing THE BAND songs.

Something that has irritated me beyond explanation is the people (usually behind me, drinking to much) who yell "DO DIXIE!!!" (or Cripple Creek, etc.) I went to the extreme at the Beacon show I attended in March of ’08 and told the guy behind me, “He is NOT going to do Dixie!” Now, I thought, well, if Levon does Dixie, then I’ll just say, “OK, I was wrong.” Wouldn’t bother me in the least. But those people drive me nuts – not just at Levon concerts, but others as well.

My point is, yes, there are people like that on this GB. I wish they would engage their brains before opening their mouths --- but, they probably aren’t reading this post anyway.

Jan F.


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Merci Beaucoup

BEG, Enjoyed Between Trains! Added it to my Favorites but really still would like a CD of Robbie singing his movie songs.

Ah...the good ol' War of 1812. Like the Overture and can sing a bit of "In 1814 we took a little trip along with Col. Jackson down the Missisip". Would like the latter more if I didn't also remember the Trail of Tears.

Six


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Long Black Veil

Bill M: I'm not sure if they took a tongue-in-cheek approach, but I think they did the song justice. One thing I noticed recently, while listening to the MFSL SACD version, is that it sounds like some sort of baritone horn was used that I don't recall seeing credited.


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Thanks for posting "Between Trains". I still think that's Richard singing most of the "I ain't no soldier" verse, and a good bit of the next one.

Joe J: Does Whispering Pines the racehorse have its own site, or are you now closely monitoring the goings-on at Woodbine?

dlew: That Celine Dion apparently - judging by the video - intended her version as a farce rescues here from the bad-covers sweepstakes, it seems to me. Think Weird Al - or maybe Sacha Baran Cohen.

That reminds me, what do you and others think of our guys' cover of "Long Black Veil", which they seem to seen as a farcical song to begin with?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Lars - you got it phonetically right

I'm sure Dunc will tell you much more authoritatively than me, but even though it looks like 'lean' (to rhyme with 'keen'), it's pronounced 'mclean' (to rhyme with 'pain'): so you heard him right. I think it's only the toothpaste that calls it 'McClean' ... (I speak as one with very strong Scottish roots, though 4 gen Aus...)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Levon on Letterman

The Letterman folks have been known to insist that artists perform one of their classic tunes over something from a new release….it wasn’t always like this ( certainly not in the great old days of his 12:30 show ) but has sadly been the case over the last 10 years or so…….let’s hope Levon and gang are allowed to play something from Electric Dirt…….You would think so given it is The Levon Helm Band and not The Band but I recall even Pete Townsend having to play a Who song some years back even while there to promote a new release……


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Painting with a touch of grey & blues in Chicago

Fourteen years ago tonight, the Grateful Dead, with The Band as an opening act, played their final concert at Soldier Field in Chicago. Exactly one month later, on August 9th, 1985, Jerry Garcia died. It's interesting to note that the Dead's set that night included a cover of "When I Paint My Masterpiece".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Shutter Island Trailer....

"Another thing is that if you look at the credits on the official site, there's no music composer listed, just Robbie Robertson as "Music Supervisor". So if they're just going to use period songs (1950's, I think) instead of a traditional thriller or Bernard Herrmann-type score, it will separate itself from the pack in that way as well."

Posted by: lazarus at June 11, 2009 05:43 PM


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: From Into The Mystic River To Shutter Island

Robbie's latest collaboration with Martin Scorsese was as music supervisor for "Shutter Island". The film is based on a novel by Dennis Lehane, who also wrote "Mystic River" and "Gone, Baby, Gone", both also successfully adapted into films. Since "Shutter Island" is set in the year 1954, it will be interesting to hear what songs Robbie has chosen for the soundtrack. Early reports on the film, featuring Leonardo Dicaprio, Ben Kingsley & Mark Ruffalo, have been quite positive.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, there's a joy in leafing through CDs or LPs. I love finding great independents where you see the store owner has (a) exercised personal choice (b) has actually read the reviews in Mojo, Uncut, The Word, Record Collector and bought in well-reviewed obscurer stuff. For secondhand vinyl there's a great website in the UK (Retrobloke.com) where all the second hand vinyl has photos and is arranged in categories like "60s classic soul (male): or "70s popular (female)" or "movie soundtracks" or "punk 77-80" but there's no "search for the artist" or "title". His aim is to revive the joy of browsing, but digitally.


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Posted by:

Rod

I feel the same about buying CDs on the internet. Sometimes there's no choice as I just can't get it locally but I'd rather "stumble" across it in a CD store. I love reading the information in the CD covers. It's something tangible you can hold and look at - unlike a MP3 download.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Zzz … what's the point of them doing an interesting sleeve design etc if you buy the download? To me, the sleeve is always part of the experience of an album, in this case a good part. Get the real one. It's like having a vintage Mustang sitting in the drive against playing with a car simulator on a video game (except the Mustang on the simulator can turn corners which was an issue with the real one). But I agree about swopping bonus tracks. If the artist wants to play that way, expect people to exchange the bonus tracks. Yep, encourage them to swop digital files. That's the way to ensure you're making a living five years down the line.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Calvin, the digital world is kinda like seeing the car keys in the ignition through the window of a nice Mustang... and since the record companies have gotten us skilled at ripping off all the plastic and stickers to free the CD... busting that glass window for a free ride is child's play... So yes, having to buy 2 CDs for a bonus may seem a bit much on the surface... but my guess is the public is already getting 2+ CDs for the price of 1... and this at least gets the record company something for 2 CDs for the 2+ CDs moved, eh... My guess is that the diehards can find a buddy to buy a different version, share bonus tracks... and maybe not feel so guilty about their already stealing ways... Btw, I still haven't figured out which version to buy myself...


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: John McLean

POSTSCRIPT- After my last post, I read it in the GB and I apologize for misspelling the McLean name (I mistakenly wrote "McLane"). My only excuse is that it SOUNDED like "McLane" when he bragged about himself.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Levon Helm Band @ Fitzgerald Theater

Submitted by Josh Keller and Jon Behm on June 13, 2009 – 3:46 pm

Photos and Review


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Whispering Pines

If you had Whispering Pines to show at the fifth race at Woodbine today you should get the next round.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: "American Pie"

Everybody in this GB has probably heard this story fifty times, so one more time won't hurt you. Some reporter asked Don McLean what "American Pie" was really about. This was a long time ago, but I seem to remember Don responded, "'American Pie' means that I'll never have to go out and work for a living."

When I was a kid, I met Don McLane at a hunting camp my father belonged to. Of couse, back then, when he was around 14, he was just some real quiet kid from New Rochelle and his Uncle John (who they called "the Colonel") was one of ten members of the hunting lodge we were in. It wasn't hunting season, we just went up for a weekend. Since I had no reason to pay any attention to him, I just remember he was a bit chubby and had a wave in his hair and he never mentioned music once. Over the years, the Colonel told me about his progress in the music world. He told me he helped his nephew get his career going with some of his money. Knowing the Colonel, he was probably lying. Maybe not. The old boy was a distant relative to the McLane's who owned the Hope Diamond, back after WW2. He was the owner of McLane Trucking in Maybrook, NY and he lived on a nice farm in Orange County.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: A Perfectly Snotty, Short Sighted and Mean Spirited Statement

"Bob W, maybe we should suggest that anyone joining in the Electric Dirt discussion should scan their receipt for its purchase and send it in. You know, there are the fans who actually buy the records, and then again there are those who sit in the corner shouting "Levon! Levon!" and "Take a Load off Fanny!" and who have everything on dubbed cassettes or CDRs given them by pals."


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Editing MP3 File Tags

bassman, I hope this link helps. Hope you are doing well.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: bad covers

a list was done through survey some months back - topping the list was celine dion's 'you shook me all night long', but I think there's a special place in hell for madonna's 'american pie'. I heard roy buchanan do 'stormy monday' on the radio: too many notes.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: BEG

WOW! Between Trains ! Thanks.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Play It and Be Damned"

A Blog About Music and Stuff

The "King Of Comedy" 1983...downloads again for those who missed before...

Robbie's "Between Trains"and Van's "Wonderful Remark" and B.B. King's "Tain't Nobody's Bizness" (If I Do)....all vinyl rips. I already had these songs on cassette and I found BT on another site long ago.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Roy Buchanan

On a previous subject, in my searches among moribund 45s, I turned up Roy Buchanan’s “Rescue Me” in pristine condition for 50p. I got home and put it on eagerly, and it’s so far beyond awful it’s not true. However technically proficient the guitar solo might be it’s hilariously misguided and inappropriate. An example of technical proficiency with absolutely no taste and so far wrong for the song. I’d rate it among “worst cover versions ever.”


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bassmanlee: You're doing better than me if your equipment at least knows which group it is. Mine computer tells me that side 2 song 1 is "49 Tons" (which is really side 1 song 1) and that "49 Tons" is somebody named el Faro doing "Willie and Lobo". Do you know, by the way, the Eaglesmith original version of 49T?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: BARK

Steve (and Bassmanlee, assuming you have "Let's Frolic Again"): Did you ever notice the similarity of the snakey lead guitar buried in the middle of "How Long" to RanBach's work on "American Woman"?


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Taking the plunge

Well, we've gone and joined the dark side. Since summer is here and there is a shiny new recumbent bike in the garage, a more convenient portable music system has become a priority. Juggling the old Discman and CDs on a bike is not much fun. Hence the shiny new little Sansa Fuze sitting on my desk. Now I only have to figure out which of the many (many) CDs in the back room get digitized. Using the 190 kbs rate that is the lowest Media Player will let me use, it's surprising how quickly the disk is filling up. The Fuze takes microSD memory cards, so now we will be collecting those. Tomorrow we tackle Our Boys. Today was experiments with various other faves.

One weird thing happened though. Wherever Windows gets its album info, it decided that BOTH disks of BARK's Kings Of Love were disk 1. So even though I changed the titles and directory name, the titles for disk 1 appear twice, once for the real song, and once for the song on disk 2 with the analogous track position on disk 1. Anyone know of a way to edit the tags on an mp3 file to correct this?


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Posted by:

Calvin

You and I have had this discussion before Peter, but we are both diehard completists. I too own Staying Together and any number of a Soundtracks that are OOP just so I can have every Band Related song. So Bonus tracks are a bit more bothersome to us than others.

Do I think it makes an artist mean-spirited? That's probably a bit strong as I think its more or less part of doing business now. But it is very short sighted of the record company and artists.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bob W, maybe we should suggest that anyone joining in the Electric Dirt discussion should scan their receipt for its purchase and send it in. You know, there are the fans who actually buy the records, and then again there are those who sit in the corner shouting "Levon! Levon!" and "Take a Load off Fanny!" and who have everything on dubbed cassettes or CDRs given them by pals.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: to the movie matinee

Past and future of the Oscars' 'Best Original Song' category. Cameo from Marty.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bonus Tracks: A legitimate issue

Tony, sorry, but that’s just how I feel about buying an album at full price and finding I haven’t bought the whole thing. As I said, I’d happily cough up extra for the bonus tracks, but I think it’s terrible to expect fans to buy the whole album twice. I think that is mean-spirited, yes. What would you call it? I also think it’s short-sighted to be putting another nail in the coffin of independent record stores (who supported artists like Levon in the years when the majors didn’t) and it’s short-sighted weaning the diehard fans from their completist habit. I’ve sought out every track until now, including “The Staying Together” OST, Summertime Blues on 45 etc. I felt affronted by the bonus tracks, especially as you only get one on British iTunes but two on US iTunes. I can’t buy off US iTunes, because the sales are region blocked. Pissed off? Mightily, yes.

Have a look at other websites and all artists (deservedly) get this stick over bonus tracks. Also, until I brought this up and started some kind of discussion, a week had passed discussing football with barely a mention of Electric Dirt from anyone (except David P.) All publicity is good publicity!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Dunno. You'd have to ask Norm, the only GBer who goes that far back.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

one question Bill....when we meet that 19th century physician.....is it covered?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Check out the trepanning exhibition too, will ya. It's pretty clear that a couple of people here at the GB have tried it on themselves at home without the necessary training.

And remember that Robbie's mother was a Crysler. (Please, no jokes about "My Mother The Car".)


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, there's no better way to celebrate "50 Years of Peace and Friendship" than reenacting a battle. BTW, I'll have to check out The Robertson House when I'm there.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: June 17 "What's New"

Just read the review of the Levon Helm and John Prine show at the Red Rock Amphitheatre……..the review includes some great photo’s…..seems to be a really special venue…..the review also touches on the subject of cover songs and how – in a peculiar twist – sometimes a cover version is so good that it becomes definitive….so much so that when you hear the writer perform the song it almost seems wrong…..All Along the Watchtower and Angels of Montgomery are cited as two good examples………….....Me and Bobby McGee is another that springs to mind....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: helping Pat B plan his weekend

Pat B: The link's to a news release titled "Upper Canada Village Welcomes Hundreds Of War Of 1812 Re-Enactors".


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Late Night with Levon

Levon is scheduled to appear on David Letterman's Late Show on CBS tomorrow night.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Am I correct in thinking that Valdy's "Country Man" is an English translation of Vigneault's "Gens du Pays"? Comment-on dit "a well-oiled cast-iron frying pan" en francais?


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Thanks Tony!


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Posted by:

Tony

Web: My link

"Levon is both mean-spirited and short sighted" Real nice Peter, Thanks!! Ari S. Call LHS on the 18th and we will see if we can squeeze you in. 845-679-2744


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, The two songs with the easily confusable titles are Gens Du Pays and Mon Pays. Nationalists tend to hover around the word, country, a lot. Mon Pays was commissioned by The NFB in the mid 6o's for a film by a guy named Arthur Lamonthe. Don't remember the name of the film but I vaguely remember seeing it a very long time ago, possibly in french class in high school.


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Posted by:

Simons

Location: UK
Web: My link

Always here


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Posted by:

damien murray

Location: nyc

Just want to say thank you for all the great music and the last waltz is played at my house weekly. Great music. To levon,robbie and garth :thank you, r.I.p rick and Richard. Your music will live on. Thanks


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Posted by:

Claire

At the risk of being deleted again for voicing an opinion on the same subject (along with Simon), I’ll timidly raise my hand.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: trying to work . . .

oops, meant to say Abby - JG already accounted for . . .

JF


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: David P

Yes! As always, you get right to the point. Well said.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Bob W - answer to your question is: No, didn't have anything to do with extra tracks, etc. It was about the July 5 birthday boy.

But that's probably about it unless Claire and JG are lurking about.

J.F.


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Posted by:

S.M.

FIVE!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Haints and saints don't bother me...

Listening to the Mobile Fidelity SACD version of "Music From Big Pink" with its sonic revelations has reminded me of how great The Band's ensemble approach to music was. On the surface they sounded so efortlessly smooth in the way they blended together, giving each other space without stepping on each other's toes. Upon closer listening, however, one can hear the intricate layers of instruments & voices.

At the time of its release, I can vividly recall being amazed by Robbie's seemingly subtle approach to guitar, in an era when most guitarists were into serious shredding. Having perfected that more agressive approach earlier with Ronnie Hawkins and Dylan, Robbie stood apart as he crafted new guitar sounds that supported, rather than contrasted, with the structure of the songs. The other day, as I listened to "Chest Fever" on the MFSL version of MFBP, I focussed on the way Robbie's lead guitar part meshed perfectly with Garth's strong organ lines.

When I go back to the music of The Band it becomes easy to remember why I continue to visit this guestbook. It's the joyful sounds of five skilled musicians playing & singing together that matters, not the dischord of discussing & debating about who was most responsible for the group's success and later demise.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Ari, Deb, Jan F.: me four.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: King of What

By the way, Three Dog Night came to mind while watching Stevie Wonder do the great “Never Dreamed You’d Leave in Summer” yesterday……apropos to nothing but is Wolf Blitzer not the dimmest of bulbs to ever appear on network television – a low bar – I know but really……….flipping on the tube last night and he turns to one of his colleagues and says “people forget just how good a dancer Michael Jackson was….he really could dance couldn’t he?.... Gee Wolf, your network has spent 2 weeks 24 hour a day showing nothing but dance clips…I wonder if anyone on the planet didn’t realize the man could dance? Judging by the news coverage – not only could the man dance but his death single handedly ended the revolution in Iran!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Grateful

Three Dog Night cover Chest Fever......when the royalty cheques came in.... grateful was a word that came to mind - I am sure.

I still remember buying albums when the ads for cd's would be promoting bonus tracks......finally started buying cd's and realized that 8-9 songs per release was perfect....the extra songs added to cd's were almost always useless filler........


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Posted by:

bob w.

Bill M., he may soon be asking......Hon, what you done with the gun?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Is your love song to Robbie the Vigneault song as was turned into "From New York To LA" (a song that I mentioned en passant just last week)? My country's not a country, it's the winter.

sadavid: Are you sure that your urge to sing along with Richard was not a subconscious ploy to avoid being tagged with dishwashing duties in the future?


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Posted by:

Steve

Grateful, is an interesting term to use in relationship to what is owed to a musician for doing what they love to do and are rewarded with cash for doing if successful at it. Grateful, sort of implies some sort of indebtedness for services rendered. Am I wrong? You know I'm always willing to be shown the errors of my ways.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Deb, Ari and others....when this line was recently posted regarding the availability of bonus tracks on different versions of "Electric Dirt"....

"In going along with this, Levon is both mean-spirited and short sighted."

I didn't hear any objections from you. I always find it strange that these statements regarding Robbie crop up out of nowhere every few weeks without any real provocation while statements like that one are deemed appropriate. It is an odd dynamic that has existed here for a long time.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Ari & Deb, Yep.

BEG, I didn't see any point in wishing Robbie a happy b'day here as (a cleaned up version) of what my Daddy used to say, "It would have been like spitting into the wind."

J.F.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: know you got it

See [My link] for a _Mix_ magazine article on the recording of "Piece of My Heart" (Big Brother & the Holding Company). Cameos by Simon, Grossman et al..


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Posted by:

Deb

Ari -- me too.


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Posted by:

Steve

Location: The Nation Within A Nation

Subject: Birthday Wishes

Mon cher Robbie

C'est a ton tour

De te laisser parler d'amour

Mon cher Robbie

C'est a ton tour

De te laisser parler d'amour

Anyone who knows the Nationalist movement here in The Nation within a Nation ( NB to nb) will recognize that the above birthday wishes have been adopted from Gilles Vigneault's "Gens Du Pays", The Nation Within A Nation's, unofficial national anthem written in 1975. The chorus has been adopted as a popular birthday wish/song.


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Posted by:

Steve

Dunc, bien sur.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: electric dirt and Barack

There are a couple of tracks on ED that seem to be unfortunate throw backs to Levon's early 80's releases. Calvary and The Mountain are the same and I usually skip through them when listening to Dirt Farmer.

Have you seen Barrack Obama talking about Michael Jackson?Reminds me of Robbie saying "the road has taken alot of the great ones - Janis, Elvis ..........". Cool dude.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Who covers the covers?

Dave Gilmour once wrote to a guitar magazine which accused him (not knowing it was him playing, I guess) of 'ripping off' a Floyd solo - he was going ot 'sue himself'. Of course, John Fogerty had to at one point, I seem to remember...


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Buying CDs

I was up in Glasgow yesterday spending CD tokens. (The family know what to get me for my birthday.) A striking display of Electric Dirt CDs as I went into Fopp. Fopp, although owned by HMV, always seems innovative and great prices. The Band - AMH single CD was selling for £3.

At HMV there was a new Levon Helm section. I didn't buy Electric Dirt because I'll get it from the smaller local shop because I know he'll buy a copy for me. I'm disappointed that not all tracks are available on the CD. It's not the money, it's the inconvenience.

Yesterday I bought Elvis the King, a 'new' greatest hits. I needed an Elvis greatest hits. I love Teddy Bear. Everybody needs an Elvis greatest hits. There were some of those tracks on 78 rpm in my house when I was young. I hope you've got a copy ARI? Sadly, as a relative latecomer, I have to agree with you.

The best of The Only Ones. Great album. Peter Perrett -a real study in self destruction.

Knocked Out Loaded Bob Dylan. Never owned that before. Still to play it.

Two disc version of Tell Tale signs, down to £14.

Crazy Horse at the Fillmore 1970.

The Band with several bonus tracks on it for a young friend who gave me a JJ Gilmore(ex Silencers)album. I've told him that its the greatest album by a band of all time. We can all agree on that, n'est-ce pas?


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Posted by:

Peter V

As David explained, "Masterpiece" by The Band was the first released. As Dylan's version was part of a rather throwaway recording of older stuff for Greatest Hits II, I always thought of it as a song given to The Band as a prominent track for Cahoots. It's way more carefully arranged than the Dylan. Anyway, it's the definitive version indeed. A "cover" suggests a song you know and like on an original recording and decide to try. Masterpiece is more like "a song contributed to you" to me.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Even though I really do appreciate this site. I find it embarrassing how ungrateful some people are towards Robbie.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

ALBUM REVIEW

Levon Helm Electric Dirt

By JBev

JamsBio Magazine

July 2nd, 2009

"…when [Helm's voice] cracks on its way skyward, you can feel the intense longing of a wounded soul or the sudden grace of one that has been rescued."

I did not buy "ED" or "Electric Mud". I did however download the two songs I really enjoyed from the recording. Today in one of our used music stores; imagezulu noticed someone bought a copy.


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Posted by:

Bill Kiely

Location: (just slightly north of) Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Welcome back

It's really great to find this website again. I use it so much in finding out what's happening with the BAND members, and what projects they are involved with. Been collecting them since they were Levon & The Hawks, and have most of everything to do in Records & CD's


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band - Rag Mama Rag (Alternate Vocal Take - Rough Mix)

"The alternate version of “Rag Mama Rag” was included on an expanded CD edition of The Band. It’s kind of fun to hear something so familiar sound so different."

Posted by whiteray at 12:11 PM July 3, 2009.

Jan F...I'm sure one day Robbie's birthday will be posted on The Band's What's New as well....well maybe sometimes. Three Band fans recognized his birthday in anycase.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: extra tracks

What's the big deal... you want the extra tracks, pay for them. If not, don't. No need to demonize anybody, it's business. No need to whine.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Not sure if it was because I was tired and dehydrated, or because it was good, but I heard a rather new John Doe song that I actually enjoyed on the way home tonight. The Golden State, on which he duets with Kathleen Edwards. Thing is, I've heard this song before, and it clunked. This time, it sounded like a off the floor version. I heard no audience sounds, but it had the fire and spontaneity of a live performance. So it is possible that this is not the cut on the new record. Could be one of those in studio radio station performances done for a select audience. What ever it was, it felt good.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Under The Covers

The Band's cover of Dylan's "When I Paint My Masterpiece" was released about a month before Dylan's version appeared on his Greatest Hits Vol. 2 in late 1971. Dylan's original, recorded with Leon Russell and friends was recorded first, if I'm not mistaken -- so the subsequent Band version is indeed a cover. Levon's covers of Muddy Waters on "Electric Dirt" are both less well known songs from Muddy's catalog. I double-checked the recording info contained in the 1989 Chess Muddy Waters box set booklet. Although "Stuff You Gotta Watch" was recorded in December 1951, it wasn't released until 1982 when it was included on the Chess LP compilation "Rare And Unissued". The personel featured on that recording included Muddy's great '50s band -- Little Walter on harmonica, Jimmy Rogers on guitar and Elgin Evans on drums. "You Can't Lose What You Ain't Never Had" was recorded in April 1964 and released as a single. It was also later included on the 1971 LP compilation "McKinley Morganfield A.K.A. Muddy Waters".


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, is it then possible to do a cover version of your own song? When Dylan did his version was it considered a cover of the Band's song? A cover of his own song? Had The Band heard Dylan's version of the song before they recorded theirs? If that influenced their version were they covering Dylan's version? It's all becoming rather confusing, I see I've already used a pocket full of question marks so I'll stop and wait for a response.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: layin' the odds

I got stuck with the dirty dishes yesterday, and I had a powerful sudden hankering to hear "Acadian Driftwood" - possibly an unconscious identification with the "walking in chains" imagery. So I put on _Northern Lights - Southern Cross_ and had a wonderful time. As usual, I felt compelled to help Richard thru "Hobo Jungle."

All of which is à propos of the very latest thing in alternative vacationing - see [My link].


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, regard the release dates. The Band's (superior) When I Paint My Masterpiece was effectively the "original."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link to an article in today's Toronto Star on Jeff Beck....I wish I had known he was at the Montreal Jazz fest....one of the great Jazz/Music Fest's on this planet - by the way......well worth travelling to for any of our US friends looking for a great place to spend some time - I believe it is always the first 2 weeks of July.

Electric Dirt: I loved Dirt Farmer.....still feeling out the new one...more in a week or so.........


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Martin Streek dead at 45

DAVID P: He was a radio icon for sure.

Some sad news for a Canadian DJ. May he RIP.

Former Toronto radio host, popular alt-rock DJ Martin Streek dead at 45

TORONTO - Former Toronto radio host and popular alt-rock DJ Martin Streek has died.

He was 45.

Former colleagues at the Edge 102.1 say Streek passed away Monday.

Streek developed a strong following as the former host of the station's countdown show and for his live broadcasts from local clubs.

He worked at the Edge for about 20 years, but was let go earlier this year.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Ari S.

I'm going up to Woodstock on July 16th to the 19th, but the Midnight Ramble says it's sold out for that day with John Simon. You think there'll be any chance to still get tickets?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Casey Kasem Time Capsules

Serenity: Sirius/XM satellite radio replays Mr. Kasem's Top 40 countdown shows from the '70s & '80s.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Except Of Course For Masterpiece

Peter, we've been through this before. When I Paint My Masterpiece, is also an example of the Band doing a better cover than the original.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Casey Kasem

After 39 years, DJ Casey Kasem does his final weekly countdown of top hits

LOS ANGELES - Casey Kasem has done his final countdown.

The 77-year-old DJ told "American Top 20" listeners across the United States Saturday that the program would be his last.

Kasem launched his weekly countdown of the most popular songs, the "American Top 40," on July 4, 1970. Ryan Seacrest took over the show in 2004 and Kasem went on to host two syndicated spinoffs, the "American Top 20" and "American Top 10."

Kasem said he "loved every minute" of his broadcasting career but that he was leaving the show to "free up time I need to focus on myriad other projects."

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Electric Dirt

The Band also did Louisiana 1927 in a 1987 show from New Orleans where they did Kingfish. As both tracks come from Good Old Boys, I can’t imagine that the more obvious irony in Rednecks and Baltimore had escaped anyone. Rednecks and Kingfish share a “signature” Randy Newman melodic style too. I would have thought it had to be a conscious choice to sing it straight, probably because irony isn’t Levon’s natural style, and because he knows his accent carries the message anyway by doing it straight. This sort of story is “acting a role” as well as singing, which is one of Levon’s strengths from The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Cripple Creek, King Harvest etc. You know you’re acting a role, so you choose how to interpret it. In fact, I think the acting-out approach fails in “The Growing Trade” in almost exactly the way it failed in “Caves of Jericho.” At first listen it appears to be great Band-style narrative song, then it doesn’t quite make it.

The end result though is that I like Levon’s take on “Kingfish” and particularly love Toussaint’s horn arrangement, but I prefer the original. But that’s almost always true with covers done by The Band / its members. Atlantic City being the exception that proves the rule.

Blues … I’m going to surprise everyone by saying I reckon “Stuff You Gotta Watch” works on Electric Dirt, because it’s been stripped down and done so differently. BUT I think the album would be greatly improved by the loss of You Can’t Lose What You Ain’t Got (especially) AND The Staples Move Along Train. These are exactly the sort of songs Levon failed to sell in the thirty odd years between The Last Waltz and Dirt Farmer. Dirt Farmer was a major change of focus. These two (both done superbly, obviously) are a return to the stuff that didn’t set the world alight.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bonus tracks

I've become very philosophical in my "old age" I try to take the attitude that if I didn't know there were bonus tracks out there that I don't have, would I still be happy? If the answer is "yes" then Its OK. If given a choice I'd buy the one with the tracks if the opportunity presented, but either way its all good.


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Posted by:

David P.

sadavid: I wouldn't underestimate Levon's understanding of the irony in Randy Newman's "Kingfish". As a Southerner he has firsthand knowledge of that particular form of demagoguery that permeated the politics of the South in that era.

I guess I'm in the minority who appreciate Levon's reworking of Muddy Waters' classics. Keep in mind that Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon and other Chess recording artists were finally able to wrest control of their publishing from others around the late '70s. So, in a way, recording their songs pays real tribute to their legacies and brings a little bit of economic reward to their heirs at the same time.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: I know you mean well, but saying something's better than a visit to the dentist is hardly a ringing endorsement!


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Rockin Chair

I picked up on 'Rockin Chair' on Q as I was waiting for the dentists chair. Highlight of the day so far. Had to miss the Sonic Youth interview though. Compensated by playing their version of 'I'm Not There' on the way home. Heresy or not I find it preferable to the Dylan/Band version.

Still waiting on my copy of 'Electric Dirt'. I have to admit the inclusion of 'Stuff You Gotta Watch' was a little unsettling. Maybe Levon figured he missed the mark the first time but that it was worth redoing.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Stampin' Tom ...

Fred: Sad state of affairs, eh? I've always said that philately will get you nowhere, and now you pretty much have to beg to get a single stamp.


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Posted by:

David P.

The recent, superb Audio Fidelity gold-CD version of The Brown Album contains just one bonus cut -- the original mono single version of "Get Up Jake", which was available on some previous compilations. On the other hand, the recent Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab hybrid-SACD version of "Music From Big Pink" features no bonus material. By the way, MFSL has announced that they will be releasing a SACD version of "Cahoots" in the near future.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Jian's One Of A Kind

Jian Ghomeshi, of Q fame, never misses a chance to make a Band reference. A few minutes ago while talking about today's Michael Fest in LA said he would play a song to set the mood for the affair and then played Rocking Chair. When it ended he said," Ah, that song always gets me".

Now if some of you guys would get behind my "Get Garth On Q" campaign we could have an hour of The Band According To Garth.


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, thanks for the info. The mp3 version of AMH is quite different and I had no idea those two were buried in there. More evidence that RAH 1971 is available and waiting.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: AMH bonus tracks

Pat: I haven't heard them but I believe there were a couple bonus tracks on the MP3 download version of "A Musical History". The Amazon site lists a 2005 remix of "The Weight" with overdubs and a live version of "I Shall Be Released" from the 1971 Royal Albert Hall concert.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Hey Peter, Watch out with those parentheses as that's my shtik, along with . . . . .

I think you once posted that bonus tracks/demos/song sketches were OK except you didn't care to hear the artist read their grocery lists, right? I think that pretty much sums it up.

Charlie, One of the Borders in Rockville closed right after Christmas and had a big sale - fixtures and all. Now the one closest to our house is in Germantown, MD and seems to have better selection since the other location closed. Mr. Steve and I are usually still willing to make the pilgrimage to College Park, MD to CDepot for most of our music.

Can't wait for Robbie's new album. I'm sure as soon as the promo info is available Jan will post it prominently on the home page of the THE BAND site.

J.F.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: ironicalicity

Randy Newman is always ironic; Levon Helm is never ironic. I'd guess that Levon's people overwhelmingly saw Long as a hero and a champion, and said as much around the kitchen table.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: an addendum...

bonus tracks on a CD : if they are there, fine; if not, no big deal.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Gettin' my philatelic phreak on

Bill M: thanks for that heads up on the stamps. I'll have to get one of the internet illiterate relatives to send a postcard.

As for bonus tracks....I prefer if they are live tracks or an occasional demo (aka "song sketch" in Bandland).


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I think bonus tracks on new releases is promotional BS. I'm just as happy with a great album than the need to tack on bonus material. What's bonus about a track that couldn't be included on the initial offering? Has a bonus track ever been the stand out moment of any new release? Is the bonus track the cornerstone of any great album? In sampling Levon's bonus material - as with most bonus material- i thought to myself - filler. If they want to give me bonus material - how bout 15% off my next purchase either via i-tunes or any artist who releases a record under the umbrella of said record company.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Peter, if in fact I was the first, I don't know what you would have based your guess on. I don't take issue with Robbie Robertson here. Congratulations nonetheless. And more importantly, thanks for sharing the news!


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Posted by:

jeroen

Location: holland

Subject: dear bandmembers

dear bandmembers, I watched 'the Last Waltz' yesterday, (I think for the 25th time...) & I just wanna say thank you So Much for your music. & keep on keepin' on & stay forever young. that's all... greatings from Holland


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Posted by:

Peter V

I was wondering how soon it would be before we got any discussion shifting to a future Robbie release, which may well, probably will even, follow the same scam. I wondered who would the first too, and guessed right. That’s not the issue though. And the issue has started people discussing the album (at last).

Van bonus tracks were usually along the lines of “plus Cleaning Windows, live at the Blackpool Tower Ballroom, three weeks ago” which is nice enough, but to even the strongest fan, dispensable. There are other live recordings. If you fall for that one (and I always did) you only have yourself to blame.

Levon’s album has two unreleased tracks. That’s Alright (at least) sounds in the same style as (most) of Electric Dirt. That’s the sort of bonus stuff you want. A version of Caldonia or Don’t Ya Tell Henry (one of Dylan’s duller songs) at last month’s Ramble would be (very) easy to pass on.

Sorry the brackets (parentheses) key seems to be switching itself on (a lot ) today.

There are many things worth discussing. Kingfish has a fabulous horn arrangement, but going back to Randy Newman, the Randy version is sung with insiduous irony. Kingfish (or Huey Long) is often held as an example of potential fascism in 1930s America, like Moseley’s brownshirts in England. Randy Newman knew that and it underlies the whole song. You can feel the Kingfish's oily manipulation, his greasy claim to be one of the (good old) boys. Levon sings the song straight without irony. I noticed that on the Band live versions from the early 90s too. Maybe that’s just more ironic. I don’t know.


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Posted by:

Serhio

Web: My link

Good day, everyone!


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Subject: Electric Dirt

I got my copy of Electric Dirt June 30th as I had preordered it. It's ok. I really like Tennessee Jed. When I Go Away has some really call and response voice weaving.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Electric Dirt

As I mentioned before, I'll probably not buy till I see it down here on CD, though (despite Peter's misgivings), I just might download it from iTunes. I've never really been one for 'first day purchases' - I'd rather see what is wroth owning - David P's comments were enough for me, in this case.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Levon the pop star

Charlie Y - I saw Electric Dirt advertised on TV! It was actually a commercial for Target or one of them but still its focus was Levon and (I think) it was a national ad.

Has anybody here ever listened to Electric Mud? As I recall when it came out it was dissed as an exploitative mess produced by Marshall Chess's asshole son.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Electric Dirt

I got mine on Friday & I've been well stuck-in since. There's always been talk here about the post-TLW Band & its paucity of original material. That's true technically and although their covers can be original & terrific too for me the 2 Muddy Waters tracks are the two weakest on the record. But, (& he is in the new band) Larry Campbell's original: When I Go Away is my favorite track so far. I like the choice and arrangement of I Wish I Knew How It Feels To Be Free a lot too. Kingfish sent me right back to listen to Good Ol Boys, which has totally held up after 35 years. And Golden Bird is up there on my list of great sad songs now; Levon just makes it hurt worse.


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Posted by:

bob w.

No argument here. We see it different ways.

No problem responding here. Maureen and I had agreed when I went out to California that we would head back east in a few years. My Dad passed away while I was there. My Mom is still with us as is Maureen's. We wanted to be available to them to help in any way possible. Not to mention my kids, grandkids, and brothers and sisters on both sides here in Pennsylvania. The travel between coasts has become more difficult and more expensive every day. It was time.


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Posted by:

Pat B

bob w, it seems different to me. Assembling tracks from archival material almost assures that things are missed and will surface long after the project has been completed. Recording an album and releasing tracks that didn't make the final cut is something else. I'm not saying that RR won't do something like this since I'm assured everybody does it, but I've yet to find a downloadable Band bonus track.

Why back in PA? Email me privately if you want.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Pat, there has been a great deal of conversation after each release regarding the "new discoveries" that seem to reveal themselves with each subsequent edition. I don't see that being very different in nature to what is happening now.

Been back since November of last year.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bob W, were there downloadable bonus tracks from AMH that I'm not aware of?

When did you move back to PA?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Bill M....I reckon you are right. It would explain some things.

As for bonus tracks....If Robbie ever gets that next disc out we'll get to see his take on the matter. Based on the Band compilations he has worked on I'm thinking it won't be much different than we're seeing from everyone else. The goddamn completists are playing right into their hands and then carping about it? ;-)


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Dirt Cheap

I was shocked--shocked I tell you--to see Levon's new one for sale at COSTCO of all places. Their CD selection is very small these days, usually just the top of the pop charts. Clearly, someone in their offices knows good music. I'd already bought my copy, though. Please add my name to the list of people pissed off about those exclusive iTunes tracks.

Jan: my local Borders now had an extremely tiny CD section with most at ridiculously high list prices. They did have some great deals while clearing out their old (and now departed) fixtures, though.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I'm waiting til I have a chance to get to Sherbrooke, which has a HMV, which will probably have it in stock by now. I just got to get the time to get to town. I always prefer picking up a CD than ordering by mail. That way I always find a couple of CD's I've always wanted to get but never got around to picking up. One person I did talk to had listened to the first 4 or 5 songs and said it didn't sound more "electric" than Dirt Farmer.


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Posted by:

Calvin

I bought the CD the first day it came out, and yes, Im annoyed Im going to have to rebuy it via Itunes to get a couple of bonus tracks. I dont like buying that way.

The worst though was a few years back when Rickie Lee Jones released an album with different bonus tracks available at different outlets. Now that did a lot more than annoy me.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Dirt

I got my preordered Electric Dirt by mail from LHS on July 1st. I'm quite happy with it. Took me several days to savor a couple of songs at a time. I wouldn't mind two more songs, but whenever I listen to downloads my son has, I don't like the sound quality. Compression?


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Subject: Cahoots

Music Direct is accepting preorders for a hybrid SACD of Cahoots, remastered by Mobile Fidelity. joe


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Posted by:

Peter V

Following my earlier question, has anyone who bought the CD (or vinyl) then gone to iTunes and bought the whole download so as to get the bonus tracks?


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Posted by:

Peter V

As you know, David, the Astral Weeks vinyl version ran to three LP sides at high quality. So, as used to happen on early CDs, the LPs had greater potential run time due to the fourth side.

Van was always a terrible grasper with bonus tracks though, with the "two CD singles with different B-sides" trick (which also used to be use to hype higher chart placings). Much discussed in Van land, and universally criticized there too.

With CDs, the Japanese will insist on bonus tracks to stop importing from outside, and there are quite a few CDs with two Japanese bonus tracks, one European bonus track and no American bonus tracks.

It is not a commendable practice. Many artists have been criticized on fansites for following it. Levon deserves the same criticism. The least he could do is sell the tracks on his own site. I say this as someone who bought every one of his solo LPs new, every one of his CDs new, and also never copied any of them for friends. I'm very happy to shell out 79p a track for the two bonus ones. I just don't want have to buy Stuff You Gotta Watch again to get them!


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter V: Were you offended when Van Morrison did something similar with "Astral Weeks Live At The Hollywood Bowl"? Bonus material, not found on the CD, was included on the vinyl and DVD versions. As I said before -- this is a commonplace thing with almost every artist nowadays. Why single out Levon?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Jan. Just as an interesting experiment in GB / Band relevance, how about each poster today 'fessing up on whether they shelled out the money for Electric Dirt (David P already said he did the first day.)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bob W: Somebody clearly did - and long before he was first 'elected' President.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Bush-Whacked

Landmark, the Eagles have managed Reggie Bush pretty well. I held out hope for quite a while that someone would hit George Bush that hard.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Got Electric Dirt?

Not me. Mr. Steve might buy one, but he went CD shopping twice this past weekend and Levon didn't make the cut . . . new Wilco, everything Little Feat ever did (that we didn't already have), Lucinda Williams, and some very early Emmylou. Borders has lots of stuff for $6.99 -- can't get most used CDs around here for that amount of $$.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, I see! So Vanguard would have taken these tracks unbeknownst to the artist and peddled them on. The swine! Well, Vanguard, the home of Buffy Ste. Marie, Country Joe & The Fish and Joan Baez, long had a reputation for … hang on, fairness and honesty. But I knew it had to be someone else’s fault. I enjoyed my thirty seconds of “That’s Alright” on the iTunes sample, thought it was an interesting approach. I wanted to hear more.

The thing is, this sort of approach exploits the completists … the hard-core fans who buy everything. It’s pissing on your greatest supporters. Interesting that this is the first discussion of any kind on a major Band-related album that’s been out for a full week. I am assuming that everyone here has a copy. Or not?


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: LEVON,etc.

LEVON will be on Dave Letterman on Thursday.

This is a snipit from my newsletter. Thought it was kinda funny.

This Week In Dave History

Former Band member Levon Helm was scheduled to appear on LATE NIGHT during the first week of January 1983, but couldn't make it due to truck trouble.

BILL M: re: "Whispering Pines" book on Canadian song writing? I'm familiar with Wilf Carter. I remember his "There's a Love-Knot In My Lariat". He sure could yodel. Also Bob Nolan of the Sons Of The Pioneers. I went to almost all Roy Rogers movies. Loved Bob's voice, and who could forget his, "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". These guys bring back memories for me. Thanx for the mention.

Our local TV channel [via CTV] had Stompin" Tom Connors last week in his special. I saw him live many moons ago, and he hasn't changed one iota.

DEE: Good music choice. It is a beautiful song. I want it played at my funeral music.

You were mentioning heroes? "Dateline" last night had a wonderful show on heroes. This show should be repeated again.

BEG: I "still dig" ROBBIE too. That will never change.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Truh

Steve: See that? NB coming to the T-dot to see his Fredship in late Aug. Just days after your chum David Francey is booked to play in the same club. Maybe you should come here for la toute semaine?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Bill M./Fred Eaglesmith at Hugh's Room ?

Northern Girl and I are definitely coming to TO for the final week in Aug. We'll get tickets for Fred while we're in the process of booking everything else, providing your Munsonage will be there to take in the show with us. Otherwise, we might catch Fred at one of three BC gigs he's doing. If you have BEG's email address, feel free to get mine through her. I'll give her a heads up to that effect. I'd love it if she'd join us too, though I'm not sure she's as big a Fred fan as NG is. (Norm's another source for my email address but he's gone 2C at the moment.) NB


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Bonus Tracks - aside from reissues where bonus tracks might be alt takes, rareties, sketches from way in the past, the bonus songs generally are B side tunes that weren't strong enough for the initial collection. Nice promo stuff but not worth the weight or the aggravation, unless you have a completist syndrome that must be satiated.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "Whispering Pines" - the book

Sorry Landmark. Maybe it was Steve, though it's hard to imagine him and his sputtering old MF being welcome at such a hip gig. Or maybe it was Kevin himself working up to an anecdote.

I picked up the "Whispering Pines" book I mentioned a couple of times last week. I suggest that others seriously consider doing the same, not that it is or does what it purports to do/be (a study of Cdn songwriting). What it does do well is shed some light on a whole bunch of people - Bob Nolan, Wilf Carter, Bonnie Dobson, etc. - while at the same time providing some really interesting stories and details about the better known. How 'bout this scene from the mouth of Mary Martin, who was not only a hugely influential early supporter of our guys, but also Leonard Cohen's manager in 1966:

"I really didn't know what I was doing, but I knew that one had to have some kind of tape in order to make some kind of decent presentation to the various record companies. So I made Leonard come to my apartment on Bleecker Street and I made him sing his songs in the bathtub into my little tape recorder. Then I called Garth Hudson and asked him if he would be able to make lead sheets from these tapes in order to copyright the songs, so Garth did that and they were masterpieces of calligraphy. Leonard's songs were not what you might call short, but Garth was ever so diligent ..." Plus, the book begins and ends at TLW. (I'm still reading it, and there's much more.)


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Posted by:

Steve

Johnny's famous quote was uttered as soon as he arrived in MTL at a press conference and before he'd ever caught a pass here. His quote, to the best of my memory was, " I'm so good at catching things, I can catch a BB fired at me, at night in the dark, while I'm wearing sunglasses. I'm that good!" The words may have varied a little but that was basically the quote.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Take a download off Fanny....

What's the big deal? Exclusive bonus tracks are commonplace nowadays, through Amazon & iTunes, as well as through big brick & mortar retailers such as Best Buy & Wal-Mart. Remember the Band tribute "Endless Highway" album from a couple years ago. There were four different versions with differing bonus tracks contignent upon where it was purchased. I admit it's maddening for the consumer, but the record labels have adapted this as a business model for promotion.

Since the record labels usually strike these deals, I don't know how this works for Levon, since I believe he has some sort of independent deal with distribution through Vanguard.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: I had mentioned meeting Jack about 20 years ago through a wacky acquaintance in Montreal’s film industry….really nice guy and we had quite a night on the town…..

Steve: My only memory of the Ordinary Superstar was that he was famous for going backwards (last 10 yards or so) into the end zone on punt returns…..and that he was an extremely flamboyant personality……zany shall we say?


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Posted by:

Steve

OK, Kevin and Landy, for the daily double points in the Johnny Rodgers category, give us the Johnny quote that he used to describe his remarkable ability to catch footballs when he first came to Montreal.


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Posted by:

Peter V

… but, had the two bonus tracks been on British iTunes at 79p each, I would have bought both without hesitation. £1.58 in the bank. Being asked to buy the whole album again (and in inferior quality to what I have as well) is annoying to the point where I say “Screw the bonus tracks.” And I feel sorry for the two independent record stores I recommended the album to, pointing out the whole page four star review in the current Uncut.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Subject: Montreal

Bill I never said I met Jack August, though I do remember Moonquake. I do remember Johnny Rogers who graced the Alouettes backfield for several seasons before going to San Diego to finish his career. He was a fun one to watch. He was more exciting losing five yards than gaining ten. Today's equivalent would be Reggie Bush of the Saints. I'm waiting for him to crap out in New Orleans so he can come be a "third-down" back for the Giants. I know that Bob W. is licking his chops at that thought but he'll find a way to burn the Eagles while bending over for the rest of the league.


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: BEG and SERENITY

BEG: Thanks for the great words and pic of Robbie! Added to my collection.

Serenity: Added Shine Your Light to my favorites list.

Today, a couple hundred firefighters are in Cudahy, Wisconsin trying to put out a very big fire at the Patrick Cudahy meat packing plant. It started around 10 pm yesterday (13 1/2 hours ago). Ammonia fumes are an issue so residential evacuations were done. Firefighters are indeed heroes.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter - i would venture to guess that Levon cut a deal that would best benefit him monetarily. He probably makes a nice cut from the American i-tunes, knowing full well that digital downloading is where the money is going. In this day and age, you cut your loses and add your gains despite a few fans who will no doubt get screwed.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Stompin' Tom

Fred: From a July 2 press release from Canada Post: "Today, Canada Post issued a quartet of stamps to celebrate the efforts of four musicians who made remarkable contributions to the Canadian music scene: international rock superstar Bryan Adams, renowned folklorist Stompin’ Tom Connors, pioneer in French-Canadian rock, Robert Charlebois, and Acadian singing sensation Édith Butler."

Plus, CBC Radio played Tom's "The Ballad Of Stompin' Tom" on the drive-home show on Friday.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Thanks for the Moonquake track. The one I love by them - same album - is "Don't You Try To Be My Baby". I forget exactly what it was that Landmark said last time we mentioned Jack August here, but he's met the guy. Real name: Jacob Geisinger. Was part of a cluster of Montrealers who backed Wilson Pickett for a while, all of them then joining the brilliant Influence in '68 - whose one album, recorded in '68, deserves to be reissued on CD. In early '70 Geisinger replaced Bruce Palmer in Luke and the Apostles, so got to play on the the awesome "You Make Me High" 45. By the time I saw them play, at the Ex in August '70, Mike McKenna and Danny McBride had both left, to be replaced by Geisinger's Pickett / Influence (and Buddy Miles Express) chum, Walter Rossi.


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Posted by:

Peter V

So you buy Electric Dirt. Then you see that there are two bonus tracks on American iTunes, but only if you buy the whole album again. On British iTunes there’s just the one bonus track if you buy the whole album again. So you think, next time, I’ll buy the download in the first place. And the whole record business and the few independent stores clinging on get another kick in the teeth. In going along with this, Levon is both mean-spirited and short sighted.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Moonquake - Great song!!!!!

Bill M: The above link is the Moonquake song that I loved as a kid.....still sounds great.....also one of my favorite album covers ever! Youtube really is something else!!!! Found this by accident looking for a song that Jack August had done with a famous US college football player ( Heisman Trophy winner ) Johnny Rodgers. The song was called "Ordinary Superstar" which was the players nickname......Rodgers was one of those US college players who decided top play in Canada rather than the NFL........


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Posted by:

Bill M

Let us not forget "Drop Kick Me Jesus Through The Goalposts Of Life". Amen.

dlew: Four weeks before they changed sports in gym class? I couldn't have hacked it. Christ, it was all I could do to last a week in the box-horse lineup, continually giving up my spot. Didn't have to jump once - well, maybe a basic wussy one before I learned to say "After you, Alphonse". Ditto with the high jump - what me, risk my neck just to go over a stick? Floor gymnastics was safer. While everyone around me hurt themselves trying to cartwheel, I'd kneel on the mat and attempt a handstand every time the teacher (NB: Mr Latorcai or Mr Johnston) looked my way.

Lars: Your skating on thin ice, linking the Norwegians and the Swedes so tightly.


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Posted by:

Duke Mantee

Location: Atnalta
Web: My link

Subject: Goin' Back to Alabama/It Makes No Difference/Remedy

Wondering if anyone knows where I can find a good older audio version of The Band, Rick or Levon doing "Goin' Back to Alabama", "It Makes No Difference" and/or "Remedy". Also what happened to the Audio and Video Clips? There was a great "It Makes No Difference" clip on there a while back. Also Levon doing "Remedy". I miss that stuff. Thanks.

Some gems from Mofro - These guys rock!

Lochloosa/Mofro - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5RVtUT7fc

Florida/Mofro(same as link above) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shLYrq1ai-I


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Drake Levin

Guitarist Drake Levin--most famous for his four years as lead guitarist for Paul Revere and the Raiders--passed away (ironically enough, given the name of that band) on July 4th. Mr. Levin was 62.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and a Happy Happy Birthday to JTull Fan!

I saw them in 1975....I think. Don't ya just love the build up to this song?

I think Tenn's birthday was yesterday as well. So a Happy Happy Belated birthday to you too! Uh, lawyer Tenn now. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: Cabbagetown
Web: My link

Ready to make new music

Of course for himself and his fans

Because he writes, sings and plays his own music

Best emotional guitar player for brown eyed girl

Intelligent songwriter

Evinces a strong will and beats to his own Native drum

Happy Happy Birthday to you....Robbie Robertson!

The other day I was checking out books in Indigo Bookstore and the entire recording of The Band's "A Musical History" was playing. It was here I first met Robbie and had him sign this recording. My first photo with Robbie was also taken here. Yeah, I still dig him....;-D


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Wilco is an interesting band. I've been listening to them on and off for years. Some albums have been superb like Being There and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and less than stellar - Summerteeth. When they go too mellow I skip it, this latest effort is pretty interesting - not as chaotic as Yankee but at the same time not quite as interesting, yet it is a strong album. Haven't deeply delved into it yet just a quick take first impression.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Wilco

NY Times interview.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Norm's music

NORM:Check your e-mail for your music. Sounds great, and glad I found it.

CYA soon xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: ROBBIE and NORM

LINK: Just had to link this beautiful song by our ROBBIE.Wishing him a very Happy Birthday. Facebook is doing a fine thing with his page.

NORM: Rockin' chair just doesn't fit you. You'll be like yours truly, mentally sound, but thinks young. Growing old is in the mind. The body may be slower and tired[?], but the mind will keep you young. My kids always say to me,"Mom, you will never grow old". Body? Yes, but mind? NEVER. Retirement is something wonderful to accept, and I'm betting dear Susan is loving you more because of it. Sees you more is what I mean. Now she can really drive you crazy or vice versa.

I have songs from your music that you sent me awhile ago. I have to check if I still have them, and I can send them back to you, or on to someone else. Won't promise too much on this until I check it out later.[Much later today I hope].

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Thanks, Bob

We all have a final payment pending - de mortuis nihil nisi bonum


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

It has been a tough stretch for the rich and famous.

RIP -- Allen Klein


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Gone - 2 - C

Subject: More of the Same

DLEW & Steve; Thank you both. Steve you are right. Finding Susan after all these years was good for me. She is a fine lady, (Damn! it's been almost four years now).

David; I'll always be around. When we make final plans, I'll be sure to e mail you. How far away are you from Murarrie?

Lars, you'd be proud of me. All I did yesterday was pick some rasp berries, and go to the store and get my grub. Last night I took Susan to the "Shingle Mill" pub & restaurant for dinner. It hangs over the edge of Powell Lake, where a shingle mill was years ago. A beautiful sunny evening out on the deck. Couldn't be better.

Joan, I think one of the songs may not have got to you. I'm not good at e mailing music. It's pretty stubborn. When I get back I'll send you more.

The words to my brothers song, "Runnin Light"

Comox Traffic, checkin' in, I'm full away from the harbour.

And I don't want to play by the rules.

Like the changin' of the tide, she just stripped me of my pride.

Now I'm runnin' light, with a heavy heart on the wheel.......


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Happy Birthday Robbie!

Ironic how Robbie's birthday is one day after Independence Day.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods of NY

Subject: hockey pucks and football formations

DLEW- While I wish Westcoaster all of the best, it's hard to imagine him sitting in a Rockin Chair. Norm's idea of a day off is cutting a cord of wood. Hopefully, in time, he'll slow down (probably after he hits 100).

Since you wanted to know about football formations and positions, specifically tight ends and split ends, it's pretty simple. A tight end is an eligible receiver who lines up outside of either offensive tackle. This automatically makes the tight ends side of the formation "the strong side." A wide out or split receiver cannot line up on the line of scrimmage outside of the tight end without making the tight end ineligible. However, a split end can "cover" the tight end, then take one step back from the line of scrimmage (thus making him a "flanker") and the tight end remains eligible for a forward pass.

If we complete the above offensive formation, the split end would line up on the weak side, covering the other offensive tackle. Usually the split end is at least ten yards distant from his offensive tackle and he must be on the line of scrimmage. He is not allowed to step back into the flanker position, unless a receiver from the backfield goes into motion and sets at the line of scrimmage outside of the weak-side tackle. If he DOES take the flanker position with no man in motion, the offensive tackle on the weak side is left uncovered and this will result in a penalty for an illegal formation. An exception to this rule would be if, before the play, the offense declares to the head linesman that they are running a "tackle-eligible" formation.

According to John Madden, a 4-4-4 defense can be very effective against this formation, unless the defense gets caught (with 12 men on the field).


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: norm: westcoaster or rocking chair

as long as you keep in touch, I don't care. Hopefully see you in november! Enjoy your retirement - you earned it.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Give Peace A Chance

Young Hippie, you can't have it both ways.

Norm, I hope you enjoy your retirement, and that it's a good long one. I'm sure you've earned it.

Getting back together with Susan probably will help make it last longer and be happier . Hopefully the downturn in the wood business won't effect what you can get for your tug. From all the pictures I've seen of it over the years it seems you've put time and money into keeping it in good shape. Do you get a small gold compass instead of a watch? Good luck.


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Posted by:

Young hippie

Man, what happpened to Roz & Spirit? They jazzed up this gb!Everybody else is on their best behavior, I guess.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Westcoaster

Sounds really good Westcoaster. Rocking chair sounds good. Enjoyed the post.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: All the good people

Joan, Bob and Serenity. Thank you all for your kind and encouraging words. I really am looking forward to having my time my own.

Joan, I really don't know what Eddy is doing right now. In late May, he said he was going to get the mastering done, and it would take about a week or a little more. However knowing Eddy, a week can be a month, (he gets lost in things). I've kind of left him be for this month, but when I get back, I'll have to call him.

Since I changed my address, some of my address book, I'm not sure who is who any more. If you'll e mail me Joan, I'll send you a couple of sample tunes. I don't think I sent you any did I?

tugmanatshawdotca

Did you get that Serenity?? Good to hear you are doing well.

I remember back a while you were saying you had returned further east Bob. Hope things are well for you back there. I'm looking forward to getting to go to some of the good concerts when I get finished too. John Fogerty was just in Victoria a few days back. I always seem to miss the Vancouver Island Music Fest in Courtenay too. Last year it was Guy Clark. Year before it was the Dirt Band.

My brother is dissapointed that I miss the Merrit Mountain Music Fest. He played there a couple years ago. It's one of the biggest in North America. If you google it you see who all the head liners are. It's pretty huge.

Lorne's site is where my CD will be available it's a pretty cool music site. www.lornejones.com


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Can't forget this one

LINK: I know I send this every year, but it is so beautiful, and I'm sure we all enjoy it.

NORM: My dear friend. I wish I were there to help you get settled in. I,too am waiting for that CD of yours. Best to you and Susan in your new place.

Talk to you all soon.

Take care xoxoxo



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Posted by:

bob w.

Norm, I believe that's the best post you have ever shared here. It sounds as if you have landed right where you are supposed to be. I wish you a long, healthy and happy retirement and all the very best.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Happy 4th to all Americans

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Have a good day all.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Young hippie

Give peace a chance, you dummies!After all, it is 4th of July!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norm

Your new locale sounds lovely. I ask this question with all sincerity and no sarcasm,. How is the record coming? I truly am waiting to hear it.

Enjoy Susan and your free time. Hope someone gives you your asking price soon.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The More Curiously Named Positions

Dlew, sometime when the GB is a quiet moment you should ask the gridiron aficionados to explain the difference between a split end and a tight end. As George Carlin joked, football is all about male sexual aggression and war.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Cherry Tree - Not Whispering Pines

Well Lars, yesterday afternoon I was up in my cherry tree picking a bucket of cherries, (and stuffing my face). I got to thinking about you falling out of some oak tree, breaking ribs etc, while a deer stood there and snickered. I got to laughing so hard, I gawd damn near fell myself, causing greivious bodily harm.

I've been having a great time with rhubarb, cherries, strawberries and raspberries. Now I got apples and plums coming on. I got to go pick a bucket of rasp berries this morning. Got to leave on a trip with the tug and barge tomorrow.

I've had the whole month of June at home, with beautiful weather. Sorry to hear about all your rain. We've had the third driest June in history. I'm practicing retirement, as I got my tug and barge for sale. Got the tug all painted in June. built door mouldings, refinished three doors, built baseboard mouldings and installed them all. Did some painting. Now I got firewood to do and garden to tend. How in hell could anyone get bored with retirement?

I got golf to play, and I got to take Susan out on our cruiser, and my brother is almost finished refitting our Dad's old boat. I got to meet up with him and his gang in a bay by a river where we used to work with our Dad. There's lots of crabs, prawns, and salmon in August so it'll be party time.

There is a place near where we go, (Shoal Bay) some 'Mericans and other folk got summer homes there. There used to be a real nice bar there years ago, a lodge place on an island y'know. Now these folks have started having an acoustic festival there. So we'll have to go and take that in and play some music.

I think this retirement should be a good business to be in. This working for a living really cramps a man's style for having a good time.

I guess when I sell the old girl, I won't be the Westcoaster any more, so I think I'll have to change the handle to "Rockin' Chair". What do yuh think????


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again and again)

Subject: Empty Now ?

Where is EMPTY NOW??? Every now and then I visit the grave of another great son from his "pays" in Northern Africa. He is (was) Nobel Prize winner ALBERT CAMUS, buried in Provence in the South of France. I must say I read more often EMPTY than Albert nowadays :-)


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again)

Subject: Norwegians / Suedoises

"Je vous demande pardon", I forgot to mention "Monsieur" Hoiberg himself :-)


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Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The Band

On the "site seriousement": - I posted about the "Juif" connection which is "essentiel" for "La Bande". How about BigBrother and LittleBrother "complexe". I have/had it (Finland-Sweden), Norbert have/had it (Netherlands-Germany), Peter V. is a part of it (Ireland-Grande Bretagne), many of you Canadian and US posters are a part of it. SADAVID and PETER V, how about analyzing BigBrother/LittleBrother complex in ROBBIE ROBERTSON's texts. - I am just an old drunken drop-off from PhD courses on rock lyrics and unable to do that. So, please...


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Subject: Did somebody mention Saratoga?

One and the same Joe. I'll be there at the end of August for four days and am hoping to squeeze in a couple of day trips before that. A change of jobs plus two weddings by people who didn't have the foresight to consult the racing calendar before booking have put a serious crimp in my Spa visitation schedule this year. Needless to say, I am not amused.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Music related / The Blues

.... uhummm... onetwothree... C F C C G7 F C ... thank you!


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Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: here's a link


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Holy Grail

Theres quite a few (low quality) audience videos of tour 74 on Utube at the moment - well worth a look. There's also a great audio only track of Hollis Brown, Not sure why this didn't make the official release.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Levon, Garth and Jim Weider's contribution

The album John Martyn was working on before his death is to be completed and released on the internet. Provisionally entitled 'Willing to Work' there will be contributions from Levon, Garth and Jim Weider.

At the moment I'm playing 'Live on Breeze Hill'. I really enjoy this album.

Happy 4th July to all Americans.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Fireworks

LINK: This one's Canadian, but still beautiful to watch.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: USA

LINK: A great combo; Canada and the USA.

This didn't go through last time, so hope it does this time.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: This one's by Bruce

LINK: Another goodie for the 4th of July.

CYA xoxoxo



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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thank you Ben Pike

Just listened to 'Litle Birdies' - I'd not heard the boot before - had anyone? Levon has become subtler with age, I'd venture. But Rick's vocals ... :-D


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: So, running backs run in the back?

So, do quarter backs run on 25c? Seriously, htanks Fred and Brien. I did play grid iron in Physical Educaion at school - essentially, every four weeks, there'd be another sport - after 3 or 4 years, it got 'exotic'. I think, looking at that clip, I was a running back! So the circle of life goes on! It's a strange game, from an antipodean perspective. I'll never forget being in a cable car in San Fransisco in 1984, while the 49ers were playing the 'last 20 seconds' of the Superbowl. I shamefully forget the final score, but the 49ers won. The '20 seconds' took about 15 minutes! and we could smell the brakes on the cable car...

I assume grid iron comes from Rugby Union (a game I've never understood) - but both Rugby League and Australian Rules Football also come from Union. League has been described as 'trench warfare', adn AFL as 'aerial ping-pong' or 'Australian No-rules'. the forward passes, and 'tackle anyone' philosophy of grid iron suggests it is 'American no-rules'! But again, 15000000000 people can't be wrong. Can they?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Somebody has posted the Winterland boot on Youtube, so you can hear "Little Birdies" if you want . It's a pretty muddy tape but you can get an idea of what the song was like.


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Posted by:

Davao Real Estate

Web: My link

Subject: friend

I like this site it is informative.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ari

To be more exact, Rick and Levon were on Wittenberg Rd., and Garth and Richard were on Spencer Rd. overlooking the Ashokan.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ari

After they left Big Pink, Richard moved in with Garth, and Levon and Rick shared a place.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Down Along The Cove

Subject: Holiday Weekend I'm Takin It

A Happy 4th to all you south of the border people.

Coming your way next month. Just a couple days in Chicago but there may be more to come. Trying to fit in a visit to my Saratoga cousins. They are actually here in Newfoundland right now. Five of them in a motor home, all quite elderly but full of spunk. Saratoga, I'm guessing, is right next door to Saratoga Springs, all a couple hours drive to Woodstock?


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Posted by:

ARI

WHERE DID LEVON AND RICHARD LIVE IN WOODSTOCK WHEN THEY LIVED TOGETHER? SORRY FOR THE CAPS.


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Posted by:

The old man looked at the red sun........

Location: The South

Subject: July 3rd

....then turned again to look at the carnage on Cemetery Ridge. The attack had been repulsed. He hadn't expected his adversary to be so resilient. Perhaps the attack had not been properly coordinated.

Without actually saying it, he knew that his army would never be the same. The flower of the Confederacy had been laid to rest on this day. He slowly rode off to find Jeb Stuart. He needed to lean on the strength of his calvary chief.


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Posted by:

Steve

To the gentleman of good conscience, Lars Pederson; have a nice 4th of July.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Hey!! Look who's awake!!!

After Norm explained the interaction of our peoples, I could no longer, in good conscience, say that more than one Canadian was trying to abuse my countrymen. Hence, I have nothing negative to say to anybody except:

Steven Heggison: go screw yourself.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Sadavid

Thanks guy, and ya I did brain-fart and totally forget about "Backfield In Motion", a catchy football tune if there ever was one. So we're officially now at one and counting. By the way, since I may have to resign myself to attending this NFL clash in November between Pittsburgh Steelers and the Denver Nuggets, does anyone know if they serve Guinness at these kind of events ? And being November, I suppose the cheerleaders are pretty much all covered up by that time of the year, or does Denver's have one of those retractable-roof thingies ? NB


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Posted by:

Steve

Lars, I do believe nb asked you a question. Maybe some answers instead of empty accusations would be helpful, or did Bob insist you get in here and lend a hand and you're just being a sport. If so, ignore NB's question and go back to whatever you were up to before duty called.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Above the water line

Subject: Raining again (oh, boy!)

NORM!!!!-- AVAST!! HEAVE TO!! And all that other nautical nonsense. I just wanted to make sure you still loved me. I think you're right: we're all very much alike. Lots of characters in both countries. I went duck hunting years ago in Pittsburgh, NH and nearly all the locals could swear in French.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: musique sportive

NB / nb - good catch on the running back, but did you forget the venerable "Backfield in Motion?"

nb, the Canadian version is friendlier 'cause the penalized party gets the boot on the 4th down . . . .


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Canucks & Yankees

LARS!!!!! GAWD DAMN IT! It's apples and oranges man. We're all related, got relatives living on each side of this border all the way along.

The only differences are when people want to make it so. Look at all those crazies living on each side of those "puddles" back there. Most of 'em don't even know which side of them they're on most the time anyway.

Football players up here, hockey players down there. Draft dodgers up here, spawned all over the place. Yankee girls up here taking up with all us local bush rats and hemlock savages. How can yuh tell any more??


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Hey Lars

You could certainly be right, whereas for me being wrong is what I've traditionally referred to as "being in my comfort zone". But for the life of me, outside of maybe Stevon Farm's posts, I can't find any anti-American feeling here today coming from any Canadian quarter. Maybe you can point out for me where you see this ? I'll leave by wishing a happy July 4th to all Am. GBers. NB


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Posted by:

nb

Subject: Who Cares About CFL vs. NFL ?

Football, in either form, is simply sublimated warfare anyway, so who gives a porcupine's penis ? Northern Girl, a rabid Steelers's fan, is on the verge of securing tickets to a Denver/Pittsburgh game in Denver in early November and plans to drag me there against my own free will in order to instill in me at least a passing interest in the sport. I may have to go, but I refuse to be brainwashed into liking it. Why would anyone in their right mind want to waste their time watching football, when there's so much high-drama LPGA golf coverage to be had on the tube nowadays? Besides, other than that Burton Cummings lyric "Running Back to Saskatoon", what's football got to do with musical discourse anyhow. nb


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Belated Happy Canada Day to all Canadians

Like most Americans, I think of Canadians as our "cousins" to the North. We share a border of approx. 3,000 miles and have lived in peace so long that a movie "spoof" was made years ago called "Canadian Bacon." In that movie, some political leader decided the US should invade Canada. But the biggest problem, the movie showed, was that Americans ADMIRE Canadians and they are the last country on earth we would ever perceive as an enemy.

In the history of this GB I don't recall any American condemning Canada. And yet, in the last few years (especially since Stevon Chair arrived) we Americans have been getting our knocks with alarming regularity. I've always assumed that the "pot shots" we're aimed at our government and as a result I figured our politicians had it coming. But the feeling in here today seems to be Canadian versus American. I didn't think anybody would ever be able to do that, but somebody did.

I still maintain the belief that the Canadian people and the American people share a long friendship and trust. Just like the Norwegians and the Swedes (at this point the comparison breaks down).


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: what would J(ohnny) C(ash) say?


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Posted by:

Steve

Nb, as you notice I've started downsizing you.

Norm don't start talking up the CFL, compared to the NFL it's like open mike night down at the local Legion branch.

Brien the other obvious difference between the NFL and CFL is the ball. The CFL plays with a ball that's looks like the bastard offspring of a chance mating between a rugby ball and a proper NFL ball.The ball's so goddamn bloated it flies like the pig it's made from. Nobody can successfully make an NFL, laser like, 45 yard pass between two defensive backs. By the time the ball comes floating down, parachute -like, to earth everybody from both teams including the waterboys can get under it and have an equal chance of making the reception. There's no benefit in being first there, better to wait a minute and look for an opening in the crowd and take a measurement of the direction and speed of the prevailing winds before committing yourself.

Nb I'll try and straighten out the mess you've made of the political situation here in the heads of our neighbors to the south and in your own noggin as well I assume, later.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: MIA

I'm not missing, I just don't have much to say about football (although I watch) or auto racing (not really interested) I do have opinions, just haven't hit a subject that really gets to me. :)

Happy and safe July 4th to all


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Hey Bob, the Plowboy doesn't speak for me. Still a fan mind you. And a very happy 4th of July to all our American posters.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Norm, even though I'm back in Pennsylvania now I am definitely watching the developments in California as it affects many close friends there. Our federal government's lack of serious attention to our immigration policy is pulling California into a financial death spiral.There are certainly other issues but the biggest problem is simply too many people drawing on California's tax dollars without the obligation to pay back into the system. For all of the Bush administration's hardcore cowboy bullshit they did almost nothing to address this issue.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Lui "The Shoe"

The highest scoring player in the history of football. Born in Vancouver BC......25 years with the BC Lions.

Greatest play ever for BC Lions.....Nov 27/94 BC Lions vs Baltimore "Footballers", (when they tried 6 American teams in the CFL). Lui kicked a 38 yard field goal, breaking a 23 - 23 tie to win the Grey Cup.

In that game, the Baltimore defensive line, out weighed the BC offensive line, by an average of over 30 pounds, 265....to ...over 300. The Baltimore defense was American players, the BC offense Canadian. The no good low down dirty rotten Yankees got chucked all over the field!!!!

Bob, I'm wondering if you have been watching the news about California's economy, I expect so. The number 8 largest economy in the world, (over many COUNTRIES). So broke they are trying to pay their bills, (government employees etc) with IOU. No federal bailout help is forth coming. Very scary situation.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Bob, if you don't mind

As Stevon Farm keeps reminding the rest of us about Special-K Bec's "nation status" how 'bout only designating him as Quebec's GB Spokesman, rather than all of Canada's. I'm sure you've heard of the Quebec separation issue. The whole thing by the way is completely misrepresented in the U.S. media. In actuality, it's the other nine provinces that keep voting to have Canada separate from Quebec. That initial referendum vote keeps passing easily, but what's not well-known at all, at least among Americans, is that by law we have to have a clear-cut majority vote in a second referendum as to WHY Canada wants to separate from Quebec. And here's where the separation process always gets snagged up, because when it comes to establishing Canada's just cause for separating from Quebec, the vote nearly always comes up deadlocked between 1) Celine Dion and 2) Stevon Farm.

Anyway, until we get this political mess sorted out up here, just continue to do the best you can putting up with Steve. Thanks to you US folks by the way, for taking Celine off our hands for all those years down there in Lost Wages, Nevada. That was really neighbourly of you. So after having performed that act of extreme kindness for Canada, don't worry, we wouldn't dream of ever sending Steve down your way. However, we are hoping that like the US, France will similarly chip in and do their part by taking Steve off our hands for a little while - say, three or four decades. It's currently under negotiation so I'm not at liberty to say moron the topic. NB. (w. apologies to Landmark and JH).


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, you have to take into account when talking about Garcia's NFL career he didn't get there til he was 29. We can only speculate on those 6 or 7 missed prime career years. The fact he's still in the league at 40 says something about his abilities as well.

Besides the wider field that opens up room for receivers, forward motion in the backfield before the snap means receivers hit the line at full speed. That forces defensive backs to play back a little deeper. The 3 down rule also forces more passing.

Bob, you should deal with your American inferiority complex, it will allow you to understand the meaning of what is being said more accurately. You see anti-Americanism everywhere, kinda the way W sees terrorists in every mosque. It's getting rather sad.

Maybe you could point out what I said that made you feel that way. I'll be glad to address it. I'm here for you, man.

Kevin thanks for the moto racing breakdown. I always thought people just went to watch for spectacular crashes.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The CFL-NFL argument has a parallel to motorsports……..Formula one is clearly the top level of the sport attracting the best drivers and support business with the deepest funding……the American cousin in open wheel racing is Indy Car……while no one would argue that Indy Car is the overall better business…many could have argued ( especially during the 80’s and early 90’s ) that it was clearly the more exciting brand of racing – with drivers actually passing each other and a wider variety of tracks to watch races on. ……extend this to NASCAR where clearly the drivers are one dimensional ( watching them try to navigate the one or two road courses a year i.e.: where they actually have to turn a car in both directions is painful ) but no matter - Americans love these guys and this is THEIR form of racing….Clearly not the best race drivers on the planet but suited to the type of racing that they do……….The CFL is a very different brand of football requiring a different type of athlete…..and in this day and age fans actually like watching a sport where the average guy in the stands makes as much or more than the athlete on the field……………


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Posted by:

bob w.

Fred, my comments made regarding the CFL were made solely for the purpose of rankling the farmer boy genius. In case you haven't noticed, your country's GB spokesman thinks nothing of trashing anything and everything "American". As I said, I could not care less about the CFL one way or another.

I'm sure Steve can expound. He always does.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Farmboy's discussions

...ALWAYS difficult to understand what they are about. Does Farmboy play Canadian Football without a helmet?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Phew! That Jerry Garcia was a talented fellow, great records, great neckties, a personal ice-cream flavour and now I find he is a quartered back as well. I know little about the armoured American brand of rugby football, but I would have thought being dead would hamper most sportsmen, whatever the game. But they used to say that Gerald Ford was dead from the neck up as a result of playing football without a helmet. So maybe it doesn’t matter too much.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

dlew: the clip above shows a high school running back. The guy giving the ball is the Quarterback - he then hands the ball off to the Running Back - who then proceeds to....., ah..., run with.., the ball.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Jeff Garcia is an effective QB - had a few good seasons - but should never be mentioned in the same breath as Fouts or Farve just because statistically he achieved a feat that only 7 other QB's have achieved - he won't sniff the HOF. Besides with how the game is going these days, that list will double within the next decade.

My understanding of him is that he is either an egotist or some sort of putz because he's always being cut, traded, waived for one reason or another. After his high point in the NFL, he's been a journeyman - though a pretty effective one but it seems that teams realize, they couldn't build a long lasting winning team with him at the helm.

The extra wide field would be more in line for smaller faster guys - giant linemen aren't suited for that in the long haul. And the CFL, from my limited exposure, is more pass oriented as well as being more loopy in the run style - given that the field is extra wide.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, with your limited amount of exposure to the CFL you wouldn't be expected to be aware of CFL players who are good enough to play in the NFL. Of course we've only been talking about one position which is quite limiting but another one that comes to mind who might still be playing is Jeff Garcia.

Garcia has to be considered as a top quality NFL quarter back. 4 time Pro Bowl selection, only one of 7 quarterbacks in NFL history to have back to back 30 plus touchdown passing seasons. That puts him in an elite group that includes, Farve, P Manning, Marino, Fouts, Bartkowski and Y A Tittle. Garcia was Flutie's back up in Calgary when he first came north.

Before we lose sight of the beginning of this topic, Boob started it by saying , " If he was talented enough he'd be playing in the NFL".

I'm certainly not arguing anything but that. I thought it important to clear that up since Gene doesn't seem to understand what the discussion is about either.

There are also other players, mostly quarterbacks, who are offered back up roles in the NFL and choose to stay here. That quarterback who threw the pass in the video Bob put up makes $325,000.00 a year. He wouldn't make more than that in the NFL as a back up , would he?

Throughout a CFL season you get maybe a dozen players cut from NFL teams who play out the season in the CFL then show up back in the NFL the following year.

You won't get linemen or linebackers in the CFL who could step into the NFL. They're too small. The field is larger( wider and longer) so being smaller is a good fit for the field, you have a lot of running to do. There are probably some huge NFL linemen who wouldn't be effective here for that reason. Receivers and defensive backs make the switch from league to league most often.

I guess I've taken up enough room by now proving Bob's statement of fact, to be non factual. The end.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Dlew

A running back is the guy whose primary duty is to, erm, run with the ball : )


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: More CFL...skip if you're tired of the subject ; )

The arguement with Warren Moon is not about crossover (from CFL to NFL and vice-versa), rather it's about a rather good college QB (Rose Bowl winner) who was told by NFL scouts that the only way he'd get to play in the NFL was if he changed position, which was the norm back in the late 70s and even into the 1980s (and obviously the preceding decades, too). Few mediocre football throwing whities got told that. By the way Moon'd heard the same spiel from college recruiters, too. Hence his decision to play in the CFL. A Hall of Fame career in the Great White North and even one south of the 49th parallel. There are other QBs who choose to do the same (Condredge Holloway comes to mind)

Damon Allen is Marcus Allen's brother.

Doug Flutie really prospered in the CFL because the game is tailored to his type of quarterbacking. Even when given the proper chance to play in the NFL , that is under a coach who wanted him (his time with the Bills) he did well.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks fred

so what's a running back?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I find the CFL an interesting style of football. I enjoy watching it the few times games come on in my area. I'll bet that most of the CFL players would rather play in the NFL, if for anything - the money. It would be nice to come up with another player besides Warren Moon. One example of a successful crossover is not a very good argument. One can use the Doug Flutie retort as someone who was an average NFL QB but a very successful CFL player - maybe the game was more tailored to his style or maybe the guys on the whole weren't quite as big or fast "on the whole" as CFL players or maybe it's a little of column A and B. The other QB that was mentioned - I have no idea who he is - did he get a shot at an NFL camp? I also think the whole blacks can't be QB's argument went out the window a good twenty years ago - I'm not saying that racism at the position has benn obliterated but a very money conscious league doesn't really care who rakes in the dollars for them anymore (for the most part). And having a succesful black QB in the CFL who happened to shatter Warren Moon's record is not a basis to support an argument that it is. Personally I think Warren Moon is a borderline hall of famer but I'm a very hard grader in HOF's when it comes to football and especially baseball.


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Posted by:

Fred

Location: The Land of the CFL (originally)

Subject: CFL vs NFL

Bob W: regarding the dissing of the CFL...typically American (as in the US part of the North American continent) attitude. If you don't play it in the States.... : )

It's a fine game. Actually it's silly to compare the leagues as there are a number of telling differences in rules, scoring and finances (the biggie). However, many a talented player from the US has played in the CFL and not because they couldn't make it in the NFL....WARREN MOON, anyone? (see where I'm going with this?)

Now back to listening to the Blue Bombers-Eskimos game for me.

Dlew...OJ was a running back (at USC & in the NFL)....a very good one.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I know nothing about sport. But since when has 'knowing nothing' been a bar to me posting...

Black US quarterback - there's that guy who went into the Naked Gun Films - Orenthal Simpson? Wasn't he a quarterback? How does he fit in to US quarterbacking? Also, what happened to him?


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Posted by:

bob w.

I knew that would draw a reaction. Steve, here's the reality. I couldn't give a shit.

Have a wonderful weekend. Not an ALMOST wonderful weekend.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Canadian Football Player

I read Bob's post and I agree it was crystal clear. Farmboy maybe hitting the weed too much.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry Bob, I see you remain as touchy as ever. I was only making the point he was an American, not a Canadian, football player. You must be fun at a party.

Your point about being good enough to play in the NFL is almost true. Black, US college quarterbacks used to come here because the NFL's racist attitude about blacks controlling white men or not being mentally capable of playing a thinking position on the field meant they couldn't call the shots at quarterback but could play as receivers or defensive backs. Players like Warren Moon, who no one who recognizes football talent would say didn't have the chops to play quarter back coming out of college was one of dozens who came north in the the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's.

Damon Allen who retired last year broke Warren Moon's CFL and NFL total yards passed in pro football. Damon who was one of those black players in the early 90's who wasn't "good" enough to play in the NFL as a quarterback was offered contracts throughout his CFL career to return to the NFL but said he preferred living in Canada. Damon is Marcus Allen's brother. So Bob, once again you're almost right but that's probably close enough for you but wouldn't cut it for anyone else, in your eyes.


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Posted by:

Paul Ossian

Location: Moline, Illinois
Web: My link

The Band, there will never be another! You guys can take me to another era/time, make you feel you've lived in another's shoes. I enjoy the tunes BUNCHES. Just timeless music. Here's to Rick & Richard


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Posted by:

Bill M

The highest-profile Band-related reference to Canadian football is the title of Jesse Winchester's second album, "Third Down, 110 to Go". I think it's fair to say that while Jesse did manage a couple of field goals, he never got the touchdown he truly deserved.


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Posted by:

bob w.

If he's playing in the CFL he's playing Canadian football which in turn qualifies him as a Canadian football player. If he was talented enough he would be in the NFL playing American football. Most of us football fans down here find the CFL inherently zany.


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Posted by:

Deb

Bill M., judging from the clip Ari posted, even that pun is better than the movie.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bob, allow me a small correction. The guy doing the Dead Michael pose is not a Canadian football player. He's an American, playing Canadian football. I know that's what you meant but it's important in this case since the, Dead Michael, is Arlen Bruce, the baby brother of the NFL'S great, Isaac Bruce.

While Arlen's tribute to Jackson was noteworthy for its tastelessness, I'd say "zany" better describes the Calgary Stampeeders players' tribute to curling, last year. They scored a touchdown then one guy ran to the back of the end zone and pretended to throw a curling stone while 3 other players swept the imaginary curling stone right onto the button. They then celebrated for a second time for scoring a bull's eye. Now that's zany.

Man From Nordic Countries, if that bunny answers you in French it's probably an escaped lapin from Lapland looking for an easier life. Invite him in , they taste great with a fruity, red wine.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Ari: Do you know what Garth wants?; I can't even tell what he kneads.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Subject: Footage from Before The Flood in Chicago

Playing Tough Mama!


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Subject: Footage from Before The Flood


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Subject: Man Outside


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Posted by:

Kevin J

When told a province had been granted nationhood within a nation….some started screaming “Bunny”…it didn’t make any sense to anyone until we were told that the protesters had spent some time in Finland…..hmm………..


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Rabbits, bunnies, linguistic - especially for Peter V.

Bunny in Finnish is "pupu". It has been said that it has a connection to the English word bunny; bu-bu-nny ... hmmm... but d00">Kevin J When told a province had been granted nationhood within a nation….some started screaming “Bunny”…it didn’t make any sense to anyone until we were told that the protesters had spent some time in Finland…..hmm………..


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Rabbits, bunnies, linguistic - especially for Peter V.

Bunny in Finnish is "pupu". It has been said that it has a connection to the English word bunny; bu-bu-nny ... hmmm... but does it make a sense? No! - The Finnish word "pupu" is mentioned already in 17th century. Nobody spoke English at that time up here in the desert. So the conclusion is: it is an onomatopoetic word after all. But it is??? - Only the rabbit outside my window could tell. But he won't. He promised to post it here in this gb, Sooner or later...


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Those zany Canadian football players......


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Menopause/Steve

Steve,YOU ARE MY MAN!!! I have posted the word "menopause" for three times before just to catch Internet criminals because they love those kind of words. You posted that you haven't seen the word before and I believe in you. So, I won't castrate you like a reindeer. - Have a very good day.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Ray Davies wrote a song about that, "I'm Not Like Everybody Else".


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: We Are Not Just A Province Like The Others

Bill, I must insist on Quebec being referred to as a Nation.

We were officially given that designation by a unanimous vote in The House Of Commons. I still remember the look on the faces of some of Harpie's redneck Albertans . They looked like they were chewing razorblades but daddy was giving them that pasted on fake smile with the equally heart warming, steely, blue-eyed look and they swallowed hard and said yea.

Kevin, you mean, the Stratford Streak.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: other musicians from Stratford Ont ...

... John Till from Full Tilt, Ken Kalmusky from Great Speckled Bird, John "Ghetto" Gibbard from Crowbar.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ari

Other notables from Stratford, Ontario include the NHL’s first superstar – Montreal Canadien great Howie Morenz and excellent musician Loreena Mc Kennitt…………..other than the Shakespearean festival held each summer – it is a pretty sedate place (and the hiso crowd that attends that festival isn’t known for doing handstands down Main street past midnight!) …..though if you do get bored – you could always drive around and heckle construction workers!! ……….. Unless you would also consider spending some time in Toronto to fall about on Yonge Street – in the exact places the Band once played and partied – then Memphis may be the better choice.


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Posted by:

Bill M

dlew: Thanks for the link, thought it's odd that they say that the flag has just 11 points - when there are 13 by my calculation (or reckoning, as Pat B would say), not counting the stem. Ironically, 13 is exactly the current number of provinces and territories (10 + 3) - but there were just 10 + 2 back when the thing was designed and adopted.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Charlie, That's Entertainment

Funny you should mention Stevie. He opened the Montreal Jazz Festival on Tuesday evening with a free show that drew a huge audience of 150,000. He started out by doing a tribute to Michael Jackson. He opened with " I Just Called To Say I Love You", working references to Michael into the song.


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Posted by:

Friend0

June's gone...the year's half over already. Time flies.... Getting to see The Dillards without traveling to Branson ain't too commonplace any more. But I gues with the economy what ist is not too many people traveling, so the Dillards MAY have gone out out of need. Or , maybe they just wanted to.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Dillards, "Electric Dirt," The Wiyos, Carolina Chocolate Drops

It's been a busy few days since I caught The Dillards and Seldom Scene Saturday night. Great show--and interesting that the Dillards opened this time around. Rodney and Doug sat at a table in the lobby and signed stuff, posed for photos and just chatted during the break and well into the set by The Seldom Scene. Three Dylan songs turned up during the evening, and Rodney told the tale of the time he threw up on Mr. Dylan (I'll bet not many have done that and lived to laugh about it).

"Electric Dirt" got a rave review in yesterday's WASHINGTON POST. I got my copy today and listened once but I had to hear "Tennessee Jed" a second time. It's wonderful!

It's nice to see some other folks are posting about The Wiyos and Carolina Chocolate drops. I've been a fan of both bands for years and mentioned them a few times with little reponse. Both are authentic and amazing groups. The anti-Michael Jackson if you will. Sorry. I'm so sick of hearing about him. If it were Stevie Wonder who had died, I would understand the endless discussion, but our culture seems to prefer freak shows to geniuses. If it were the other way around, more school kids would know the name of Stephen Hawking than Britney Spears.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Karl Malden dies.

Thought some of you may be interested in this news. So many great people leaving us lately.

Durable Oscar Winner Karl Malden Dies at 97

Wednesday July 01, 2009

Karl Malden

Karl Malden, the bulbous-nosed character actor who won a Best Supporting Oscar for his role as Mitch, the guiless suitor of Blanche DuBois in the 1951 classic A Street Car Named Desire – a role he created on Broadway – and lent his particular brand of gravitas to American Express commercials in the 1980s, died Wednesday of natural causes in his Brentwood, Calif., home, his family announced. He was 97.

Born Malden Sekulovich to Czech and Siberian immigrants in Chicago, Malden barely spoke English as a child until the family moved to Gary, Indiana. He returned to the Windy City in the '30s and studied acting at the Goodman Theatre Dramatic School, before making his Broadway debut in 1940.

He would go on to star in more than 50 Hollywood films, often playing richly complex and often dark characters, while also making a mark on the small screen starting in 1972, on The Streets of San Francisco. He played a veteran police investigator who takes under his wing a young greenhorn, played by Michael Douglas.

CYA soon xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Welcome Aboard, Joan

Joan, thanks and same to you, remember according to Friend0 you guys live in southern Canada. Actually, according to, James Lovelock, the father of Gia theory who combined many of the different branches of science concerned with the way planet Earth functions back in the 60's, says within 20 years major migrations will begin as people give up trying to live in areas of the planet that are too hot and dry to support anything but scrub and move to more hospitable climes.

According to, Dr. Lovelock, in North America the livable part of the continent will start around the current day Canadian/American border stretching northward from there.

He also estimates the planet will be able to support a population of about 1.2 billion people down from today's 6 billion plus.

When Lovelock first came up with his Gia Theory in about 1966 he was treated as some kind of science fiction scientist by his colleagues. Not anymore.

His thinking has gradually become mainstream in the scientific community that deals with the planet's climate. Gia theory states that the planet itself is one huge living organism, we're just along for the ride. Think of us as fleas on an elephant. We've now multiplied to the point that we've gotten the elephants attention. Just hope she don't roll in the next mud hole she finds.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Location: Kitchener, Ontario CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Canada / Dominion Day

LINK: History of Canada for those who don't know about our beautiful country.

DLEW: Never heard that story about the points on the flag before, but know the rest. I never liked the flag at the beginning, but have grown to love it since. I find it the nicest flag, but I do like the US one too. Thanx for the link. I get a snopes.com in my e-mail all the time. good place to visit.

BEG: Thanx for the welcome. Just browsing, but wanted to send best wishes to all Canadians for a HAPPY CANADA/DOMINION DAY.

Good posts to read from all. Thanx, and keep up the interesting stuff.

Take care...

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo



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Posted by:

Watkins Glen native

Location: WG, NY

Subject: out of print songbook

Hey to all the fans out there.

I'm looking for anyone who help me acquire a copy of the Stage Fright Songbook mentioned on this website here;

http://theband.hiof.no/books/sheet_sf.html

Not much info is provided and I'm having one hell of a time trying to locate it.

have you ever googled "the band? :)

anyway if you can assist me shoot me an email at tracer289@hotmail.com thanks, levon marcellus


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Time of the Season

JQ: Not to be confused with the Zombies' classic "Odessey and Oracle".


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Canada Day

Happy Canada Day to all.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Oracle

David P - It's interesting to me that an oracle was also the role Levon played in The 3 Burials of Melquiades Estrada, Tommy Lee Jones' classic quest movie.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Mule vs Deere

David, your choice of mule and Deere were fitting but I'd say the mule is more likely to kick things up to the next level than the JD. Deere's just don't pack the wallop of a mule. Besides Levon already deployed the Deere in Dirt farmer: Now his head is shaped like a tread.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Take off, eh?

Happy Canada Day (aka Dominon Day, to old pharts like moi) to Garth from all his friends in Birr. And Arva. (Maybe Lobo, too). And to my friend Angie, up there in Cabbageville.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 17:44:34 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Ari, I don't know anything about Stratford, but Memphis is would be a good road trip. Bealle Street is kind of touristy, but not in a bad way. There's good live music all up and down the street - the Rum Boogie Cafe, B.B. King's, the Black Diamond, Mr. Handy's Blues Hall. Much of the time there are live performances in the park across from the Daisy Theatre. I think the Gibson Guitar Factory tour is on or close to Bealle as well. The Peabody Hotel is just off Bealle. It's kind of pricey to stay there, but you should go have a drink at the lobby bar. I'd try to avoid the time in the afternoon when they move the ducks from the fountain to the rooftop, though.

There are some really good restaurants downtown -- The Rendezvous for ribs, Automatic Slim's for yuppie food, Blues City Cafe on Bealle for all kinds of barbeque.

If you're there for more than a couple of days, you should drive down to Clarksdale, Mississippi and check out the Delta Blues Museum. Muddy Waters' cabin was moved there a few years ago and they generally have a good range of traveling exhibits in addition to the permanent stuff. Ground Zero Blues Club usually has some good local music. It's owned by Morgan Freeman, who lives near Clarksdale. It's patterned after the local juke joints and gives of a pretty good taste of what they're like. I haven't been there in a few years, so I'm not sure which of the jukes are still in operation, but folks around there could tell you.

Then there's always Graceland and the Sun Records studio.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

I couldn't find that iTunes had 2 extra tracks... on Electric Dirt... I found just one... but Amazon.com also has an exclusive... with it's own different extra track... To get these extra tracks you have to buy the whole downloaded album though... so it could get pricey if you need every scrap that falls from the table...


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Posted by:

Ari S.

I'm thinking of taking a road trip to either Memphis which is 17 hours away or to Stratford to see Richard's grave which is 9 hours away. Which do you think is a better choice. I'm leaning towards Memphis.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Rural Electrification Oracle

dlew919: I would hesitate to use the word "better". For me "Electric Dirt" is a continuation of "Dirt Farmer" that kicks things up a notch, like adding a John Deere tractor in place of a mule. Borrowing a concept from Roosevelt's New Deal, it's the implementation of Rural Electrification.

In a brief review of "Electric Dirt" in the current edition of The New Yorker magazine (see link), Ben Greenman has this to say about Levon:

"When he was young, he sounded like a wise old man. Now he sounds like an oracle."


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Posted by:

Ray

Web: My link

I'm interested to hear Levon's Electric Dirt version of Stuff You Gotta Watch in full. I have a few live versions by the Band (in addition to the Jehrico version) and I particularly enjoy the the cuts where they DON"T use a real horn section. Reason being that Richard Bell's performance on that particular tune is SOoooo cool because he plays some great "boogie woogie" piano with his right hand and plays horn parts with his left... guess he's using one of them new fangled synthesizers that you can split at middle C. They sure work well in the right hands!!! He plays some kick ass piano solos as well.

Also, on the King Biscuit live show I have from the 90's Garth is more out front in the mix and his playing on "Stuff" is so amazing that it cracks me up... it's SOoooo good and unusual that it literally makes me laugh out loud. What "The Man" can do on keyboards is like no other.

"Stuff" was always a favorite sing along type song when me and my friends broke out the guitars at parties. The "should be mine" backup vocals were fun and usually the only lyrics a bunch of beered up spectators remembered from the Bands recording but it was always fun. I'm guessing Levon's new version will no doubt hit the mark... it's a great song to start with! Waiting patiently for Electric Dirt to arrive!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: One of the Southern Dominions ...
Web: My link

Subject: In honour and anticipation of Canada Day

Many of you will know this: this is for those who don't.


Entered at Wed Jul 1 03:48:18 CEST 2009 from c-61-68-58-193.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.58.193)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David P.: Dare I ask...

Is it better than Dirt Farmer? or can they not be compared in tha way? I won't get it for for probably 3 or 4 months, so will wait in extreme envy (like Elvis C.'s show, which I've heard so much about and which doesn't broadcast here - at least not on broadcast tv ...).

And i will say, I did somewhat expect to be a little disappointed by Dirt Farmer - by no means! Still one of my favourite albums!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 02:27:39 CEST 2009 from (206.53.147.204)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Electric Dirt

Picked up a LP version of "Electric Dirt" this evening from my local,independent CD/Record store. This is an awesome album -- Levon, Larry, Amy, Teresa and all the musicians have banded together to create a superb follow-up to "Dirt Farmer". This is the stuff you gotta watch and listen to!


Entered at Wed Jul 1 00:26:50 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279463471.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.16.47)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Luke Doucet - "The Day Rick Danko Died" Live at the Mod Club

Also on Youtube is his cover of "Ophelia".

Hi ya back Serenity! Ilkka....I have on video with Garth on TVO stating, "Bob took us from the bars to the stars." So it's Dylan with The Band and The Band with Dylan. They're a great fit together and a great fit alone.

A few worthwhile films I saw this past week:

Woody Allen's "Whatever Works"

"Lymelife" with Jill Hennesey who was in the photo with Dylan and Robbie. Some Band fans thought she was Robbie's girl at an HIV/Aids Benefit. I was really impressed with her performance here.

"Food, Inc." Docu (Should I give up chicken too? Yiiiikes!)

I dig Levon's covers of "When I Go Away" and "I Wish I knew How It Would Feeeeeel To Be Freeeee".

John D...I could see your huuuuge smile as you were interviewing Levon. The late missed Paul G told me that he was his fave because they both grew up poor. He was the ultimate gentleman in that whenever we spoke on the phone he'd let me go on about you know who....lol He did admit that he respected tremendously his talent and how he was able to navigate easily in the business world. Anyway John....kudos and congrats to you!!

Happy Happy Canada Day on July 1. What makes us Canadians is that we are heavily influened by Great Britain, USA and our own ethnic background.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Bob W

I'n a long, long time fan of David Lindley, & thats a good comparison. One I never would have made, & they've both been there right in front of me for like forever......

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