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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, February 2000

Below are the entries in the Band guestbook from February 2000.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 23:00:37 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Let me just offer my two bits on the subject of CD remstering. The basic principle of digital audio is to reproduce the voltage of the audio signal by assigning it a value at equally spaced points in time. When the compact disc was introduced, the audio industry adopted what is known as the "Red Book" standard for this digital format.

The standard set the sampling rate, or how many digital "words" of information are used per second, at 44.1kHz. The word length, composed of binary digits or bits, was set at 16. Thus, the audio information on all standard CDs contains 44,100 words per second, with each word composed of 16 digits.

In recent years many improvements have been made in both the methods and equipment used in the mastering chain in order to improve the sound of CDs. One of these methods involves using higher 20 and 24 bit lengths in the mastering process and/or sampling at rate higher than 44.1 kHz. Rather than chopping off the additional bits when down-converting to the 16 bit/44.1 CD standard, equipment such Sony's Super Bit Mapping and Apogee's UV22 allow the audio information to be reshaped to improve the resolution. By this "redithering" method, increased detail and dynamic range can be "squeezed" into 16 bit format without adding additional distortion or noise.

Using the Byrds remastering project as an example proves that it's not just the 20 bit SBM process, but a combination of factors that produces a better-sounding CD. First, producer Bob Irwin & his staff spent years searching through Columbia's vaults in order to locate the original multi-track recordings and two-track stereo masters. Earlier Byrds CDs, including some of the 1990 box set, used later generation tape copies as a source. In addition to higher quality source material, Irwin used customized high-end equipment in the remastering chain, including tube amplifiers. Perhaps the secret to the richer & warmer sound of the reissue project lies in the fact that Irwin kept everything pure analog until the last step of the transfer to compact disc.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 22:35:47 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

VH-1 is advertising that Robbie Robertson will be presenting at the HOF induction this year. Not clear if he's inducting someone (Clapton?), or if he's narrating the historical vignettes again...


Posted on Tue Feb 29 21:26:26 CET 2000 from du-tele3-090.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.90)

Peter Viney

This paragraph was inexplicably cut off:

Pick up the new Steely Dan. It’s a must. Whether it’s 20 bit or just because it’s remastered, (Untitled) is a definite improvement. Every other release of Chestnut Mare, including the box set, was muzzy.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 21:24:13 CET 2000 from du-tele3-090.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.90)

Peter Viney

John: where does your info come from about Rotogravure? According to the much-used Rockbase database and "Rock Record" books, and to this site, Levon Helm indeed plays mandolin on Rotogravure. BUT as the album itself has painstaking documentation and acknowledgements, including photos of most participants, and does not include Levon, it seemed likely that the databases are wrong - unless Levon was anonymous for contractual reasons which seems unlikely given his other appearances as a sideman in the same year. (But the album does include John Lennon, Paul & Linda McCartney, Eric Clapton, Sneaky Pete Kleinow, Van Dyke Parks, Harry Nilsson, Dr John, Pete Frampton, Jesse Ed Davis, Melissa Manchester …) The same thing happens with Nilsson’s "Pussy cats" – reported appearance, but no credits. Sometimes this comes back to someone dropping in at the session to visit, but not playing.

Mandolin isn’t listed. And do you think that "Duitch Helmer" (backing vocals on several tracks) is a pseudonym? "The Fab Harry" on one track must be Nilsson, as he’s thanked, I guess. This one has puzzled me for years.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 21:21:27 CET 2000 from spider-to024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.54)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago, sort of...

Hi everyone! Thanks for the response on the Levon Homespun tape. Appreciate the help :) --Beth


Posted on Tue Feb 29 21:13:06 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

John Donabie: Thanks for responding to my post. How do you know? Which song(s) does Levon play on? The liner notes are very extensive and tells which musicians played which instruments on each song? Levon is not listed. Did he say something about this in his book?

Crabgrass: The 20-bit remasters don't sound any better to me. Thanks for telling me the reason.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 20:26:31 CET 2000 from proxy-636.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.70)

Scott

What a beautiful open letter to Rick by Eric Andersen.....Danko/Manual - Live At O'Tooles !! Sound quality is fair, but still a pleasure to the ears. Song selection is fun and Rick's banter with the audience is enjoyable. Worth the coin.....


Posted on Tue Feb 29 19:34:00 CET 2000 from spider-wi023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.28)

Christina Cotter

From: massachusetts

Thanks Dave for reminding me that Marty S. provided that great picture of Rick. I must give credit where credit is due. Also, apologize to Marty S


Posted on Tue Feb 29 19:08:24 CET 2000 from d3o955.telia.com (195.252.52.243)

Bengt Runosson

From: Sweden

Hi I've just spent an evening, listening to "The Last Waltz", on vinyl, remembering the "the good old days". Thank's guys for the music, you're still the best there was. Sorry about my english.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 17:45:56 CET 2000 from 225.mercerville-21-22rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.78.148.225)

carmen

From: pa

Pehr, keep em coming. Those who do not wish to read your articles (or anyone's) do not have to.

Very heartfelt letter to Rick by Eric Anderson. I still have a hard time when RR is left out of the condulences, as if he was not a longtime friend worthy of them.

Liz get back to me.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 14:20:56 CET 2000 from spider-wb041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.166)

M. D. Erlenbush

From: Nineveh, IN

I haven't been on line for too long & just found this page. I've loved this group since I first heard "The Weight" lo, these many years ago. The latest tragedy to hit them hits hard and close to home -- and then there were three, eh? I really don't have anything profound or insightful to say at this time; I just wanted the boys in The Band (if they ever check their site out) to know that they are often on my mind and always in my heart. Peace.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 13:01:03 CET 2000 from spider-wj014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.24)

yaya

From: the redundant school of redundancy

redundant.but still....... Will Levon and Rick be on these CD's??????? you know.........tell us.........


Posted on Tue Feb 29 12:35:13 CET 2000 from hud1-pm-09-69.termserv.net (204.97.156.69)

Diamond Lil

Ragtime: I have that same problem. 4 e-mail addresses...and this one (which was set up specifically for this site) is the only one bombarded with spam. I swear I must find up to 10 in this account everyday. Hmmm...ok Jan...fess up...what is it you do in your spare time? :-)


Posted on Tue Feb 29 12:23:14 CET 2000 from spider-wm021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.156)

yayaLiz

From: the broken down truck on I 90, tryin to catch a show
Home page

ok.......yeah: Hi Lil, Dave, Richard, Molly- Dick, Tele, Cupid, Hag, what is this ? "The Waltons" ? still don't have the truck back........haha..whatevvahh... hope everyone received their tapes./ thanks for all the good info and...., does anyone know If This will include Levon and Rick's shows??? "The Cleopatra" Label Group plans a late June release for Ringo Starr's June 2000, release for the three-CD chronicle of the project's various incarnations All-Starr Band's "Anthology & 10 Year Anniversary" box set. The three-CD chronicle of the project's various incarnations features performances from all of the All-Starr Band's lineups, Ringo Starr has set the lineup for his latest edition of the All-Starr Band. The group features several All-Starr Band veterans, including guitarist Dave Edmunds, bassist Jack Bruce, keyboardist Billy Preston, drummer Simon Kirke and multi-instrumentalist Mark Rivera. And this year, guitarist Billy Squier. Play on, keep listening.......


Posted on Tue Feb 29 09:43:22 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

I use this email-address (see above) only for my "Band" contacts. Unfortunately 95 % of all the mail I receive is spam - sometimes dozens a day - on this particular address only. Blocking senders doesn't help... No spam whatsoever on my other email-adresses. Who's doing this? The guys responsable must read this guestbook. Anyone the same experience?

And I have a question - maybe brought up before in this perpetuum mobile, but anyway. Who's doing harmony vocals on "Going Going Gone". Rick? Or Levon? Can't find out, even with headphones.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 07:21:50 CET 2000 from spider-wb053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.173)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Christina: Actually, Marty S. is to be credited with providing that wonderful photo of Rick from 1980... But I really connected with it too, and therefore claim it mine in a manner similar to the way you claimed it yours by putting it on your fireplace... Thanks again Marty S...

People Who Hate Moon Struck One: I find myself wanting to play devil's advocate with your distaste of the quality of some lyrics from Moon Struck One... even though logically, I agree that if the Band members maybe don't like the unfinished effort on Cahoots... then why make more of it than needs be... And sure it doesn't read like a good poem... Anyway, stung by a snake doesn't bother me because if I was bitten by a snake I bet it would indeed sting... Secondly, to me this story sounds a little like an account should sound if told by somebody on something (Opps I just offended RR)... which works for me... especially the reality of something tragic happening during the course of some innocent but maybe too-close-to-chaos fun... I think this also goes for the quality of lyrics on Where Do We Go From Here? To me this song wouldn't work if the lyrics were too polished because to me this would just indicate that the writer would maybe have an idea where he should go... and therefore be dishonest... Both songs seem to fit the album theme to me too... about things disappearing or maybe good ways of life not lasting... In college I recall writing a paper for an English class where I tried to argue that it was better to build and own birchbark canoes than buy aluminum ones... and I honestly believe it... but I still bought a Grumman 17 footer because I didn't have the time to make or the money to buy the birchbark one (now I need a Garth like manuever to bring me back but I don't have that)... anyway, as I listen to Garth's sax solo on that Pacheco Alien song... I wonder why Eric Clapton really likes Moon Struck One... And whether Marty S. was at TLW...


Posted on Tue Feb 29 05:26:02 CET 2000 from mat-4-26.enter.net (207.16.155.174)

Little Brother

From: around Philly, PA

Since this is such a mother lode of technical erudition, can someone point me to a digestible primer/overview, on-line or otherwise, of "newsgroups"? The general idea is self-evident, but I'm curious-- I think-- about what stuff like "alt." and the oft-misspelled "binaries" signifies. Also stuff like who creates/maintains them, whether "subscribing" exposes one to any cyberdanger, etc.

I risk this off-topic query because it occurs to me that Jan is the ideal Thoreau Moderator, i.e. the best moderator is the moderator who moderates least. For what it's worth, I find this guestbook layout to be the most accessible, comprehensible format by far. I noodle around the Endless Web, and am stupefied by various "forums" and exchanges that move up, down, and sideways in brain-cramping sophistication! Scroll up, scroll down, so nice!

I will sidestep The Band for a moment, to hiss and claw at the incipient Ringo-bashing back there. Yeah, I've heard all about Paul's hyper-prodigious ability to outplay all his fellow Beatles, and there are abundant scenes in "Let It Be" (and some studio comments in the Anthologies) that showcase his lead chair role. He also seems to be righteously pissing off his mates on occasion. Hey, I admire him-- I really like his demo cut of "Come and Get It", which is, I believe, a one-man performance. I even still give "McCartney" a listen. But elevating Sir Paul to godhood, while implying Ringo was merely competent but an amiable doofus at bottom, aggravates Your 'Umble Narrator. There's a definite, if loose, parallel with Robbie in this. So I guess it's no surprise that IM'UO, both artists' Ten Best transcendental works will be culled from their work with the bands they ostensibly outgrew.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I finally got the Toshiba-EMI CD of "The Band", and Wow! Even with my mediocre bookshelf Sony player and beat-up basic Koss headphones, there's an wonderful extra kick of clarity and power! It almost recalls the original experience of hearing the LP via my first headphones on Christmas Day, 1969!

The lyrics sheet, predictably, is hilarious. I screw up lyrics all the time, so I'm not devoid of compassion for the poor responsible parties, but tonight I got as far as the lines, "Pinball machine and a queen/I nearly took a bust", which here become, "In moments she had a queer/And nearly took a bus"... I long for a nice little baggie of crabgrass to accompany further perusal... Is there a "deluxe" (import?) release of "Moondog Matinee" available? The Crabster notwithstanding, I find "The Third Man" theme appealing, though lacking the shrill, manic edge of the film's ST. I can't begin to analyze the instrumentation, though.

Uh oh, even I'm yawning... good night!


Posted on Tue Feb 29 04:41:16 CET 2000 from spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72)

Chuck Hammel

From: Kent, OH
Home page

Great website. Levon Helm is the man.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 04:00:26 CET 2000 from spider-wg012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.22)

butch

From: ulster county N Y

sorry for the misunderstanding,,, the road trip i was referring to is a bunch of folks from the Dylan board, driving up to see Levon & the Barn Burners,,, the stops were where folks were driving from,, BUT, there are shows being booked as we speak,,, so stay tuned to Jan's wonderful site & we will post all the dates,,, thanks,,, butch


Posted on Tue Feb 29 03:57:12 CET 2000 from pool0501.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (209.178.147.246)

Marty Grebb

From: Malibu, Ca.

I just wanted to say how sad I was at the passing of Rick. He was a one of a kind player and singer, and was also the best I have ever seen at singing and playing an entirely unrelated syncopation simultaneously. As a player, he understood the importance and unselfishness of leaving "breathing space" between his notes, and I always loved how he used the electric bass as a tuba at times. I had some great times on the road with him, and I was honored to have been included on the Jubilation album. It's the end of an era, and I'm grateful to have been alive during the same time-zone The Band created their timeless, amazing music. With All Love, Marty Grebb


Posted on Tue Feb 29 03:40:18 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-33-81.termserv.net (208.20.67.81)

Diamond Lil

Heheh...Maurice Chevalier doing Rag Mama Rag..accompanied by Serge? Every little breeze seems to whisper oh pleeaase :-)

Thanks for the smile John.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 02:44:11 CET 2000 from trt-on58-69.netcom.ca (216.123.101.197)

John Donabie

SORRY......just saw Viney's story of the Long Black Veil. I thought I was shedding some news. Oh well.....I do try.

Say.....Have you heard the Maurice Chevalier version of Rag Mama Rag with Serge on harp & keyboards backed by the London Ontario String Quartet. There's one Mr. Viney hasn't heard.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 02:35:38 CET 2000 from trt-on58-69.netcom.ca (216.123.101.197)

John Donabie

From: LONG BLACK VEIL STORY FROM ONE OF IT'S CO-WRITER'S

FOR THOSE FINDING "LONG BLACK VEIL" OF INTEREST. THE 3 TRUE STORIES THAT FINALY LEAD TO THE WRITING OF THE SONG.

DANNY DILL:
"I got on a kick with Burl Ives songs -- those old songs -- but I didn't know any, and I had no way to find any at the time, or was too lazy to look. So I said, 'I'll write me a folksong' -- an instant folksong, if you will. So I worked on it for months, and then it all came to me.

There's three incidents I've read about in my life that really please me. There was a Catholic priest killed in New Jersey many years ago under a town hall light, and there was no less than 50 witnesses. They never found a motive. They never found the man. Until this day, it's an unsolved murder. That always intrigued me, so that's 'under the town hall light.'

Then the Rudolf Valentino story's always impressed me -- about the woman that always used to visit his grave. She always wore a long black veil -- now there's the title for the song.

And the third component was Red Foley's 'God Walks These Hills With Me.' I always thought that was a great song, so I got that in there, too. I just scrambled it all up, and that's what came out."

Dorothy Horstman interview, Nashville, 2 Jun 1973, reprinted in Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy, New York, 1976, p. 400


Posted on Tue Feb 29 02:23:24 CET 2000 from spider-wo034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.34)

Christina Cotter

From: Massachusetts

Hi everyone. I would like to thank Dave for the most recent photo of Rick from 1980. It is a beauty. I had it printed out and is now in a frame along with many others. I apologize Rick for putting you in a frame on the mantle. Could not help myself. Thanks again Dave.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 02:21:44 CET 2000 from trt-on58-69.netcom.ca (216.123.101.197)

John Donabie

And let's not forget all the boys, with the exception of Richard on 1973's RINGO.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 02:05:11 CET 2000 from trt-on58-69.netcom.ca (216.123.101.197)

John Donabie

BONES: CORRECTION...
Levon Helm : Mandolin Duitch Helmer : Vocals, Vocals (Background)


Posted on Tue Feb 29 01:51:37 CET 2000 from trt-on58-69.netcom.ca (216.123.101.197)

John Donabie

BONES.....RE: Ringo's Rotogravure record
Levon played mandolin on that particular L.P.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 01:28:22 CET 2000 from ip-143.dial.wans.com (64.7.64.143)

Molly

Lil, sounds like you need a hug. A hug also goes to Jan.


Posted on Tue Feb 29 00:19:53 CET 2000 from ip163.perthamboy.nj.pub-ip.psi.net (38.14.56.163)

Sharon

From: Across the Great Divide

Thank you Pehr for your wonderful article on Robbie Robertson-you realy put a lot of time and effort in the article- very, very impressive! I've loved all of Robbie's work and its nice to read such positive attributes of him-Thanks a lot!


Posted on Tue Feb 29 00:18:36 CET 2000 from ts1-37.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.37)

Doug

From: The Den

Just to be a bit of a completest.The chieftains released an album a few years back called "The Long Black Veil" It's a great record.The version of the title track features The Chieftains with a little known English crooner named Micheal Jagger on lead vocal.It's not a bad run through of the tune but i'm afraid[as much as i love the Stones]Mick still can't sing a lick.The Chieftains haunting accompaniment saves the track.Incase it's not already been mentioned the tune was written by Marijohn Wilkin and Danny Hill.Happy days y'all Doug


Posted on Mon Feb 28 23:28:53 CET 2000 from 2cust5.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.129.5)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

A friend of mine, who works in the audio department of a record company recently told me that re-issued albums which have been re-mastered as 20 bit CDs can't be heard as 20 bit recordings unless they are played back on professional CD equipment which can handle 20 or 24 bit CDs. (The common consumer CD players are 16 bit, I believe.) She told me that if you can hear a difference in these recordings it is due to the fact that the album was re-mastered rather than the fact that it contains more samplings per second. I'm in a quandary regarding this now - can anyone shed some more light on the issue?

"Long Black Veil" was recorded by the Kingston Trio quite a few years before the Band put their version on Big Pink (it's a perfect prelude to "Chest Fever" in my opinion - as the story slowly but steadily plods on one more eagerly anticipates Garth's startling intro to the next cut) and the two versions are quite similar (except the Band's version is better, of course). Does anyone know the origins of the Band deciding to record this tune? Was it a favorite of one the the members and if so - which performer did they first hear it by? Inquiring minds want to know!!


Posted on Mon Feb 28 23:03:20 CET 2000 from du-tele3-013.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.13)

Peter Viney

Eric Andersen's moving tribute to Rick is the best I've seen. Wonderful stories, and wonderfully written, as we might expect from such a fine songwriter. Jan, you should put a permanent link (or a copy) under articles. This is something that should be here in perpetuity.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 21:15:46 CET 2000 from spider-wj041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.36)

JCF

From: New York

I discovered this website about a month and a half ago. I'd like to say that I think it is great, and that it has augmented my interest in the BAND. I noticed someone made a list of the worst songs by the BAND. I don't have all the albums, so I don't know all the songs. I can say that my least favorite songs from the first two albums are Lonesome Suzie and Look Out Cleveland


Posted on Mon Feb 28 20:48:53 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

In response to the Hendrix post: It's Billy, not Bobby, Cox. And, of greater relevance to Band fans, a newish book on Hendrix (with a title like "Talkin' Hendrix") has snippets of interviews - including John Hammond talking about hooking up with Hendrix and how he could play the blues parts even better than Robbie Robertson.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 19:25:59 CET 2000 from du2-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.2)

Ilkka

From: across the border
Home page

JENS MAGNUS - thank you for your post of the Norwegian "Grammy" featuring Jim Weider and that marvellous tribute to Rick.. We always took it for granted to take the car and drive over the Norwegian border to see Rick&co, but...
Next stop: Bob Dylan receiving his Polar Music Prize in Stockholm - or Hank in Josef's House of Blues. Välkommen till Sverige, Bob and Hank!


Posted on Mon Feb 28 18:58:44 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

David Powell: Did you ever find out if Levon had anything to do with Ringo's Rotogravure record? Since he is not in the liner notes, should I assume he did not play on it?


Posted on Mon Feb 28 18:02:53 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Butch, thanks for the update? You mention Baltimore in your itinerary. Are there Maryland shows planned?


Posted on Mon Feb 28 17:12:46 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-27-123.termserv.net (208.20.67.123)

Diamond Lil

Thank you Jon Lyness for that link to the Eric Ansersen site..and that beautiful goodbye letter to Rick. I read it twice and can't stop crying.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 16:43:53 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

A studio version of Johnny Cash's cover of "Long Black Veil" was included on his 1965 album entitled "Orange Blossom Special." In addition to his version of the classic title song, written by Ervin Rouse, the album also includes covers of Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe" and "Don't Think Twice It's All Right."

To me, what's always made "Long Black Veil" powerfully unique is that it's written from the perspective of a dead man. The themes of betrayal and death make it a classic country song.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 16:30:51 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Well, I was going to post to tell everyone that Eric Andersen's great new album You Can't Relive the Past has just been released. But I'll rant about that another time. On Eric's website, he's written a long "Goodbye Letter to Rick Danko" which is very beautiful, and very moving. Check out http://www.ericandersen.com/page3.htm (the page layout is annoying; you'll have to scroll down through the news to see the beginning of the letter. But it's worth it.) Best, Jon


Posted on Mon Feb 28 15:19:05 CET 2000 from spider-tk012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.177)

Bob Wigo

From: havertown,pa.

I think we are in need of an agronomist.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 15:12:35 CET 2000 from 0029979.gcac.uncwil.edu (152.20.86.14)

Riley

From: nc

Beth, Yes Rick is in Levon's tape. The Band plays a number of songs throughout the tape with Aaron sitting in for Richard Bell. It is a wonderful video and worth the money just for the performance shots. Rick looks like he is having a blast.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 14:56:14 CET 2000 from du-tele3-041.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.41)

Peter Viney

Beth, the Levon tuition tape has performances by the Band (minus Richard Bell, plus Aaron Hurwitz) so Rick is there on the ensemble performances. Aren’t details in the videography? I enjoyed Pehr’s comments on Robbie Robertson’s "Contact From The Underworld of Red Boy" and his Native American background. A while ago, Jan posted statistics on which individual Band member’s work gets most visits here. I recall it was Robbie by a long way. So, the majority of us ARE interested.

Charlie: There’s an article by me on "Long Black Veil" on the site. This is an extract:

It was written by Nashville songwriters Danny Dill (composer of The Streets of Laredo) and Marijohn Wilkin (the writer of Jimmy Dean’s two hits, the JFK-mythologising P.T. Boat 109 and Big Bad John) in March 1959. The Long Black Veil (its full original title) was inspired by the real life murder of a New Jersey priest combined with newspaper accounts of a woman in a black veil who regularly visited Rudolph Valentino’s grave. Dill and Wilkin set out to make it sound like an old Appalachian ballad so as to hang onto the coat tails of the then burgeoning folk music revival. Within days of writing it, they got the then fast-fading country star Lefty Frizell to record the song in March 1959 (with a line-up that included Grady Martin and Harold Bradley on guitars and Marijohn Wilkin on piano). The result was released in May 1959 and the hit record revived Frizell’s career.

"At Folsom Prison" is 1968, so just as likely Johnny Cash is following the renewed interest of the Band version. When was his studio cut? I can’t trace it.

Heartening news. My local record store opened at eight, an hour early, to meet expected demand for the new Oasis album. When I went in at ten, they’d sold just seven copies. They’d sold more copies of the new Steely Dan, Two Against Nature. And The Byrds (Untitled) / (Unissued) was moving too. These were the two albums I’d gone there for.

I just wish (as David said last week) that the Band would take note of The Byrds reissues. They really have been a lesson on "how to do it". 20-bit remastering, bonus tracks, authoritative retrospective sleeve notes, good packaging. Some people don’t believe the claims of 20 bit remastering etc, but the ears are the proof, as on so many jazz reissues. I picked up a Davey Graham CD last week that was taken recently from one track of a four track, quarter inch, cheap domestic Phillips tape recording, done in an ordinary student bedroom in 1967. And it’s great.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 10:24:25 CET 2000 from gateway.tono.no (212.71.68.22)

Jens Magnus

From: Norway

Saturday Norwegian Broadcasting aired the Norwegian "Grammy" award, Spellemannsprisen. On stage was Steinar Albrigtsen and Tom Pacheco, who have recently cut an album in the US featuring Band-members. Jim Weider was present on stage, and a huge video wall showed Rick doing backup vocals. A sincere tribute to Danko.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 04:49:12 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: NZ
Home page

I remember seeing a "take off" of one of those Beatle documemtaries that come out a while back. It had George Martin talking about the effects he generated in the studio and was saying something like "this is the sound of a cymbol played backwards .....and this is what that cymbol sounds like when Ringo hits it" - clunk.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 03:17:59 CET 2000 from pm3-215.efn.org (206.163.180.215)

deb

From: oregon

Pehr: Thank you so very much for the text on Robertson's Redboy CD! Being a diehard Robbie fan, I of course enjoy reading anything informative about him. His history is indeed rich, and is reflected in all of his music. Thank you again, and write more, please.


Posted on Mon Feb 28 01:34:58 CET 2000 from 1cust165.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.165)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Well, I guess it's been proven for the umpteenth time that the old hackneyed saying "Different strokes for different folks!" prevails here in the Band Guestbook! Personally, I found the recently posted lengthy and tediously boring explication of "Red Boy" most interesting and informative. Those of you who didn't appreciate it could have simply exercised the option of scrolling past it (as no doubt many are doing with my post right now). Anyway, it got me thinking how great it would be if Robbie re-assembled his fantastic "Red Boy" line-up and got booked into the lounge of the Mohegan Sun or one of the many other popular Native American gambling casinos around the country. Additionally, he might even recruit someone who can actually sing and perform a few of the classic Band numbers!!


Posted on Sun Feb 27 22:20:59 CET 2000 from dialin-242.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.76)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

Speaking of the Beatles, Mark Lewisohn's "Complete Beatles Chronicle", a definitive research work that should be on every Beatles fan's bookshelf, has finally been reissued. Long out of print, this book documents every studio session and performance. The new edition is identical to the original--except it is paper-bound and less expensive.


Posted on Sun Feb 27 22:07:25 CET 2000 from 1cust224.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.224)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

I have seen it in print more than once over the years that perfectionist Paul McCartney commandeered Ringo's drum kit more than once in the studio when Ringo couldn't reproduce the needed fills that were in Paul's head. Also, that Paul always had within reach a lefty version of the same model guitar that George was using and often "spliced" his own licks into solos where he thought Harrison just didn't "cut it." McCartney, one of the most inventive electric bassist's ever, is usually not given much credit for his lead playing which is all over many of the Beatles' albums (same with Lennon) because George was considered "the bands guitarist." John plays lead on "Get Back" (Watch "Let It Be" to see him in action.) "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" and "I Feel Fine" while Paul plays lead on "Ticket to Ride."


Posted on Sun Feb 27 22:07:56 CET 2000 from dialin-242.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.76)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

Katash -

There aren't any tour dates posted yet for Ringo's All Star Band. You can keep up to date at www.ringotour,com/


Posted on Sun Feb 27 18:48:27 CET 2000 from ts1-3.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.3)

D.Smith

From: Neptune

Morning brothers and sisters.For those intrested[and can tune it in]Muchmore Music will be broadcasting the Dylan tribute concert[Bobfest]on Wednesday.check your local listings.Peace Doug


Posted on Sun Feb 27 18:25:10 CET 2000 from spider-tj083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.213)

butch

From: ulster county n.y.

Well,,, We're Back !!! Levon & I are back from Muscle Shoals, Alabama,,, SOOOOOOOO, The Wednesday Night Blues Extravaganza Continues !!!! March 1st, '00 The Joyous Lake, Woodstock, NY 9 pm, $ 10.00 Levon Helm & The BARN BURNERS with Amy Helm, & GARTH HUDSON,,, there is a road trip starting in Baltimore , picking up folks all the way to Woodstock of Dylan/ Band fans, on the way, stops in Jersey, Brooklyn, Long Island & Philly ,, GET ON BOARD,,, The Delta Train is leavin,,, so we will see you on the 1st,,, in Woodstock,, For THE BLUES !!!


Posted on Sun Feb 27 18:12:08 CET 2000 from ip16.perthamboy.nj.pub-ip.psi.net (38.14.56.16)

Sharon

From: Across the Great Divide

Anybody know when VH1 will have Robbie Robertson, "Behind The Music". Thanks


Posted on Sun Feb 27 18:02:21 CET 2000 from proxy-688.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.216.88)

jhwygirl

From: where wolves and bison should roam free!
Home page

Wasn't it George Harrison that said Levon was ..the.. best drummer in the world, with ..the.. most unique sound? Or....maybe it was Ringo.

:-)

the 'Home' page above is a link to reports on the recent wolve killings out this way, and the ongoing unneccessary bison hazings. Feel a little guilty about using this forum for that purpose, but I'd like to think that ol' Ricky would of agreed.


Posted on Sun Feb 27 17:54:01 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime (p.s.)

... as much as I like Ringo who is the funniest drummer in the world...


Posted on Sun Feb 27 17:39:40 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Katash:

Sorry pal, but I always thought Levon Helm was & is the best drummer in the world... the only drummer who can make you cry...

And I'm pretty sure that most visitors to this guestbook agree with me... :-)


Posted on Sun Feb 27 16:54:53 CET 2000 from pm504-34.dialip.mich.net (207.73.169.140)

Katash

From: Michigan

Knowing all the members of the Beatles were extremely talented I have always believed that Ringo gave them the unique sound that made them so unusually appealing. If you listen to their records and focus on the drumming alone you will hear that wonderful signature happy mesmerizing sound only he can do. During the height of their popularity it was often said that Ringo was the best drummer in the world. If you listen to old recordings of the band just before Ringo, you will hear an entirely differnt sound. I wonder if anyone knows if there are any tour dates scheduled for his band?


Posted on Sun Feb 27 09:25:21 CET 2000 from spider-tk022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.182)

Beth Radtke

From: out here....

Hi Pehr: Interesting comments regarding Redboy. I've followed Robbie and his interviews for about 10 years now and I understand and follow his journey. I like whatever he does and I really enjoyed Music for the Native Americans. I think the reason Redboy isn't at the top of my list is that there are too many "mix" sounds. I don't really like songs where things are so mixed that I lose the song itself somehow. So I'm aware of the significance of what he's doing, I just wish the original sound wasn't lost in over-production. Unbound is brilliant; I wish the whole album was that clean. Thanks for your opinion! --Beth


Posted on Sun Feb 27 08:35:12 CET 2000 from spider-tn062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.72)

Pacific46

From: rainy SF

For those of you who get U.S. channels, PBS just aired a fascinating documentary on Hendrix and his Band of Gypsys --Buddy Miles and Bobby Cox. It's part of Black History Month and focuses on why Hendrix couldn't reach most African Americans even with guys who played "The Chitlin' Circuit" with Wilson Pickett. Great film footage, especially from 1970 NYE at the Fillmore East. It briefly mentioned his holing up near Woodstock I think around '69. Anyone have any stories or info?


Posted on Sun Feb 27 06:23:16 CET 2000 from spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.161)

Lori

From: Chicago

Tonight I heard on one of my local radio stations that "The First Waltz" will be in video stores this Tuesday. It's the video of a benefit show that took place in Chicago just about a year ago. Rick Danko, Nick Tremulus and, as they say, a host of others took part. Really looking forward to seeing it.


Posted on Sun Feb 27 04:25:02 CET 2000 from ppp186.a1-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.188)

Paul Godfrey

Pehr....It is interesting to note that J.R. Robertson never lived on a "reservation." That is an American term. In Canada he visited the "Reserve." It is also interesting to note that he is born a "Canadian." In both instances we are justifiably proud of Robbie.

Shine On!


Posted on Sun Feb 27 02:42:05 CET 2000 from spider-ta048.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.31)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Lil, well, after the accident with Little John, the singer and Julie attempt to run away from the tragity, but this two fails. We are left with the silent consession that the childlike utopia of "the great triangle" will never be recaptured. How was that, Vinny?


Posted on Sun Feb 27 00:21:48 CET 2000 from (209.155.134.151)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Pehr: Excellent post! Well worth the length!

Don't forget, however, the influence of Robbie's mother in his life. In most in depth interviews with him he mentions her and what she had to go through as a Native American woman. I think this also left an indelible impression on him as a young man.


Posted on Sun Feb 27 00:11:53 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.147)

My opinion

Charlie Young: Lefty Frizell (sp?) was first to record "Long black veil" a hundred years ago...or so it seems. The Dave Matthews version is appaling crap. If the guy could at least sing...what nerve!

Pehr: please spare us all any more on the "Red Boy".


Posted on Sat Feb 26 22:11:36 CET 2000 from dialin-206.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.40)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

Belated Happy (57th) Birthday wishes to Mr. George Harrison, MBE (should be 'Sir' George IMHO). Get well soon.


Posted on Sat Feb 26 21:44:08 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

Notes on "Contact from the Underworld of Redboy".

"Contact from the Underworld of Redboy" is a record that presents a self portrait of Robbie Robertson seen through the lens of his heritage as a person of Native American descent. The theme of the record is his coming to terms with Native American traditions and spirituality, including the values, ceremonies, philosophy; the relevance of these topics to the modern world, and the neccesity and challenges of maintaining these truths in the face of a rapidly changing culture driven by media, technology and economic forces. Against this backdrop Robertson studies these aspects of his heritage and cultural roots as topics not touched upon in his previous solo albums or his highly productive period as chief songwriter and spokesman for The Band.

For this reason, the sound and texture of "Contact" is very different from the seminal recordings delivered by Mr. Robertson in his years with The Band,particularly at the first listen to the record. On closer inspection there are some significant threads that tie these diverse chapters in Robertson's personal history together in the tapestry of his artistic expression. There is Mr. Robertson's deep concern for history and tradition and myth serving as the backbone of these songs, much as these concerns also were the foundation of Robertson's songs from Basement tapes, Big Pink, and Brown Album, all studies of the rich cultural fabric of North American heritage brought into relevance thru sound and structures heralding vocal, rhythmic, melodic and lyrical aspects from the wellspring of the North American folk music idiom, introducing Native American drumming and chanting as a new element to explore rock music's seldom explored avenues.

How Mr. Robertson got on this particular avenue itself is a very interesting matter that is seen from many angles in the substance of the record. Robertson is best known as a "Rock Star", relatively few people knew anything of his Mohawk roots during the Band's heyday or would have cared - the intriguing part of this is when did Robertson see this aspect of himself, how did it change over time, when did it become a question of identity for him, and where/what path did he take to integrate himself and his work in line with these changes? To answer those questions all we have to do is scan Mr. Robertson's fifty- something years and catch up with the many influences and circumstances of his evolution as a human being. No small task for him or us, but since I dont know Mr. Robertson personally I might speculate on his life as it pertains to the character Robertson stands for as the narrator of this particular record.

In one of the interviews to promote this record (I dont remember where I found this, sorry- probably on this website) Mr. Robertson remembered back to his childhood when he was first singled out, being referred to by someone as "Redboy". As young Robertson grew he became more aware of this condition of prejudice and the stigma it presented him with in the effort of being accepted into the dominant culture. in order to deal with the realities off of the reservation the fact that he was a Mohawk descendant was better left unmentioned. Despite the potentially crippling effects of this more subtle form of class/ethnic warfare the past young Robertson was leaving behind had already introduced him to the building blocks of his life as an artist; namely the oral tradition, the folklore, music, mythic,and historical fascinations brought up in the meetings of the elders. That a significant aspect of Mr. Robertsons's identity should recede to the "Underworld" is not so surprising given the devastation of racially based fear and loathing, combined with the modern influences off of the reservation in Toronto, and the explosive birth of Rock n Roll music in the 50's &60's having such an impact on young Robbie's life all combined to push the memories of his being "Indian" into the dimly lit background of his past. Thus the title "Contact from the Underworld of Redboy" suggests this return to the personal recesses of the artist's psyche to awaken and understand primordial impressions; to realize and express them to gather wholeness and integration of a fractured identity, hoping to heal and include these ancient themes in the present day.

To further flesh out the character of Mr. Robertson as narrator on the record one also can consider the changes he has experienced since the dissolution of his primary vehicle, the Band, leading him back to the "Underworld". After the sucess of the Last Waltz, his forays into motion picture industry and the hollywood lifestyle he survived, a different Robbie Robertson emerges as he experiences a long educational struggle to develop the patience and serenity of thought to provide leadership and understanding to his indian family and fellow man, to make sense of a very dark and tragic reality that threatened his culture to the brink of extinction in the hope of salvaging the very elements that might be necessary to save ourselves as an endangered species in the face of the challenges of the 21st Century. Among the many faces and fronts that this challenge poses Mr. Robertson in his quest,perhaps the most basic one may be the fact that in this modern, non-indian world it is just indescribably difficult to remain an "Indian" when away from the security of the reservation and the tribal elders. In the dominant culture the Native Americans were portrayed as "Savages" and a vicious, ruthless people in the books and movies for so many years,with so few exceptions, e.g., Tonto the faithful understudy to the Lone Ranger, or Hiawatha. The Native Americans are very much in need of people with gifts of knowledge and the ability to articulate the reality of the situation to the rest of us- a postion that Mr. Robertson is able to respond now with his talents and long hard won education in life.

Traditionally leaders were selected from sacred clans such as the Eagle, Bear, Thunderbird Clans, etc. In contemporary times leaders are selected from experience, education, and knowledge of history. Of course this type of knowledge and experience are fruits of labor that must be earned. A young, aspiring leader may feel this calling as destiny, but again many years, patience and maturity process must be lived through in order to achieve that goal.

The character of narrator, Robbie Robertson, Composer, Film maker, Rock Star, et. al has evolved to this new persona, a type of itinerant "Road Man" as I see it- a praying person looking to the Divine Creator to take the sacred teachings to us, whether the general public, fellow Native peoples, and the fans of his music and films. With "Contact from the Underworld of Redboy" Robertson has become involved further in the concerns of the Native American People on regional, national, and international levels.

(next I'll talk more about the record itself. sorry the post is so long, but i hope its worth it. thanks!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 20:45:29 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Happy 68th birthday to Johnny Cash. I just bought the wonderful archival reissue of "Live at Folsom Prison" which includes the only version of "Long Black Veil" I've ever heard with a pause for laughter (although I wouldn't be surpised if Rick sang it with a smile once or twice over the years). Does anyone know if Johnny's original studio version of "Long Black Veil" was the first record of the song? The latest version is a live one on the new Dave Matthews Band CD. The BIG PINK "Long Black Veil" will always be the definitive one, of course...


Posted on Sat Feb 26 19:41:25 CET 2000 from parachute2-156-40-65-126.net.nih.gov (156.40.65.126)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Ben Pike: Greil Marcus refers to the Pennebaker film [in "Invisible Republic"] as "Something Is Happening." He also says that it was not finished. I recall reading somewhere that Pennebaker put it together because Dylan did not meet the ABC delivery deadline on the TV show. At the Museum of Radio and Television round-table discussion prior to the first public showing [I think] of "Eat the Document" Marcus and Pennebaker joke about it. Marcus apparently saw the Pennebaker film and thought that it was incredible. Pennebaker was coy about its existence. At that discussion, Pennebaker was very flattering about the Dylan film. In order to enjoy "Eat The Doc" you have to realize that it is not a "concert" film, but IMO a statement from Dylan about what his life was like at that time. Pennebaker suggested that Dylan made his film entirely from outtakes [and that he liked that idea]. He then backed away from that claim, at least a bit. Anyway - I've said it before and I'll say it again: If anyone has a copy of Pennebaker's film, I'd love to see it. Anyone????? Pennebaker, are you out there?? Bob - o.k. the release of either one [or both], please!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 19:19:45 CET 2000 from spider-to048.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.24)

Beth Radtke

From: not only, but also.....

...and, regarding Roger Waters: The Wall in Berlin. I'm thinking of getting that tape and Amazon.com has it with a special book. Does anyone have that book and is Rick in it? I'm trying to decide if the $10.00 extra dollars is worth it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks everyone!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 19:16:46 CET 2000 from spider-to048.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.24)

Beth Radtke

From: Is this thing on?

Hi all, since my last post didn't get a reply, I'll open the question up for the audience.... Does anyone know if Rick appears on Levon's Homespun tutorial tape? Just trying to get everything the sweetie was in... Carmen! I have to say that I completely agree with you about "Between Trains". What a great song. I'm listening to ...Redboy right now and I'll follow whatever Robbie does, but I sure miss the Storyville sound.... That's one album I'll wake up and say, "I have to hear that today." I keep coming back to it. I think you have very good taste (I'm a Robbie-lover even though that seems to be dicey around here sometimes, but from your comments, I think you might be one too?) Just wondering. Take care! Beth


Posted on Sat Feb 26 17:34:50 CET 2000 from cache01.tor.pathcom.com (209.250.153.18)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Yesterday, driving home from work I heard a song called "Girl With a Problem" on the radio by a band called Northern Pikes. I believe that the keyboard solo was played by none other than our own Garth Hudson. Does anyone in southern Ontario know what happened to this band? I haven't heard anything from them in a while. Nice tight band, nice harmonies, good fit with Garth. I believe he was even in a couple of their videos.


Posted on Sat Feb 26 17:13:11 CET 2000 from pool0028.cvx9-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (209.178.176.28)

moos

Many thanks to Serge Mironneau for the chords to "Whistle Stop". It's a tune that I've been thinking about playing for thirty years. The train the singer is talking about seems pretty righteous, but there is something in Richard's voice that make it sound ominous too. Thanks again


Posted on Sat Feb 26 15:34:45 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-01-97.termserv.net (208.20.67.97)

Diamond Lil

Aah..the great muddy thaw in Upstate New York. The cold white stuff is nearly gone, and now it's been replaced by the brown, mushy stuff. How fun it is to walk outside and watch your shoes sink. And the fact that it's raining, and it will be all weekend, almost gives me the urge to invite all of you here for our own Mudstock :-)

I wasn't aware that there are enough 'bad' Band tunes to even make a list, although I have to agree with Peter Viney about 'The Moon Struck One'. Frankly, I don't think I've ever listened to that tune all the way through. Can't say that about any other Band tune though. And um.."Christmas Must Be Tonight"..is a _wonderful_ tune and is played (over and over and over) at my house every year at Christmas Time. Hmm..well at least I won't have to worry about 'Crabgrass' stopping by for the holidays :-)

And to JH...who's probably barelling down a snow-covered mountain as I write this...Elsker deg...and pleeeease don't break anything you may need! :-)


Posted on Sat Feb 26 14:57:48 CET 2000 from annex4-port37.ulster.net (208.148.184.37)

Tom

From: Woodstock Records
Home page

Hello out there in BAND-LAND!

Just a quick note....the GARTH HUDSON - PROFESSOR LOUIE & THE CROWMATIX show at the Van Dyck in Schenectady,NY has been moved up a day from Saturday - March 4th to FRIDAY - MARCH 3RD. We apologize for any inconvenience and due to scheduling conflicts, the gig was moved up a day. If you have any questions, please call the Van Dyck at: (518) 381-1111. Please note there are 2 shows scheduled that night.

Peace from Woodstock !
Tom/Woodstock Records


Posted on Sat Feb 26 12:00:47 CET 2000 from 22.mercerville-31-32rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.78.152.22)

carmen

From: pa

Forgot to mention what I found out about the Grey Owl movie discussed last week. There is no Soundtrack, however, RR's "Unbound" is used in the movie. Grey Owl for those interested was released on video Feb 15th.

Regards!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 11:55:50 CET 2000 from 22.mercerville-31-32rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.78.152.22)

carmen

From: PA

www.realitytherapy.com/nativepeople/ has two pictures of RR if anyone is interested.

Regarding the Crab's list, I think "Christmas Must Be Tonight" is one of the best Christmas songs going. I think it good enough to qualify as a song worthy of being sung at any Christian mass.

Next subject... I recently received a tape of RR "film songs" from A GB regular (thanks M) and I am blown away by the song "Between Trains". I think RR's vocals on this one are great. This is not a comparison to the Big 3, however, after hearing this, I would have liked to see him contribute more. Made me think that if RR, Garth and Levon ever did get back, RR could take over lead vocal.. Who knows!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 10:01:43 CET 2000 from du217-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.217)

Ilkka

From: Snowy woods
Home page

Saturday morning philosophy:
Crabgrass list makes the great Band songs even greater as well as Sundog's pictures make Serge&co's pictures even greater. And Jan's site puts all this together! Amen.


Posted on Sat Feb 26 08:21:33 CET 2000 from spider-tp042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.192)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

I beleive somewhere out there is the Pennebaker cut of "Eat The Document" and I believe it was called "You know Something Is Happening Here." You can get Pennebaker's own comments on "Don't Look Back" on the DVD version, he is very generous in his comments regaurding Bob. I don't think I've ever been the Pollyanna of this room, but the whole idea of a worst of Band list seems misguided. Unless you want to just call the Islands album the ten worst. There is good Band(excellent and professional) and Great Band(transendant). "Jupiter Hollow" is a lot closer to the latter. As comparitivly mudane as some of the later albums are, the Band left no "Self Portrait" or "Under The Red Sky" in it's wake.


Posted on Sat Feb 26 08:15:51 CET 2000 from 1cust204.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.204)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Since so many GB readers seem to actually love the songs which I put on my Top Ten Worst Band Songs list it's obvious that Capitol can probably make a bundle (not to mention Robbie) by releasing them as The Best of the Original Band Vol. II. I suggest they throw in "Street Walker" and "The Great Pretender" (even though it's a cover) as bonus tracks. If anyone at Capitol happens to read this I suggest you guys press at least twenty copies so as not to risk having supplies depleted before consumer demand is fully met. (Don't want any Band fans rioting at the record stores!)

BTW I didn't put the songs included on my list in any particular order - it would have been too difficult and given me a headache just thinking about them. Also, thanks to those who identified the Dylan tracks in Eat the Document and the boots they're on!


Posted on Sat Feb 26 04:50:00 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa041.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.146)

Sean

From: Land of no rain!

Earlier this week I was fortunate to see the legendary Dr John on Studio 22 he was fantastic unfortunately he didn't sing Such A Night. Anyone living in Oz should try and catch The Jazz Greats series on the ABC it's worth a look. Have just bought Jericho and I am pleasantly suprised by its sound. Well enough rambling for now.


Posted on Sat Feb 26 03:42:20 CET 2000 from trt-on55-118.netcom.ca (216.123.100.118)

John Donabie

TO JON LYNESS:
Happy Happy Birthday Eric Clapton is something you want to own if your truly a fanatic. I picked it up and was so very depressed with the sound quality. It sounds terrible sound wise. I don't know of the other one.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 23:58:48 CET 2000 from d185fd025.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.37)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY

Regarding Lady Madonna - as was pointed out earlier, the CD reissues of the Beatles albums used the original UK track listings; many songs originally released only as singles or B-sides in the UK were included on albums in the States, as Capitol felt no shame about rearranging the band's catalog for maximum financial gain. EMI has released two CDs titled "Past Masters Volumes 1 and 2" which collect all Beatles tracks not included on the UK (and, therefore, CD) versions of the albums (such as Day Tripper, I Want to Hold Your Hand, We Can Work It Out, etc.). These are in print and widely available. Lady Madonna is on Volume 2.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 23:54:15 CET 2000 from dialin-218.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.52)

Gene

Lady Madonna appears on Past Masters Volume Two and on Anthology 2 is official Beatles releases. Bootleg versions also exist.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 23:17:31 CET 2000 from pa53.sandomierz.sdi.tpnet.pl (213.25.255.53)

roland

From: roland2@bigfoot.com
Home page

the BAND is ok & the BAND with BOB DYLAN is so very best site in this server to kurwa jest najlepsza stronka patki radule rolandy /bigfoot.com/ :)))))))))))))) & bd& r,&p.d&jacusie hejki - ... hejkum tejkum


Posted on Fri Feb 25 21:29:29 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Can anyone give me a capsule review on the 2 Eric Clapton boots that contain some of the 1976 sessions with the Band, "Happy Happy Birthday Eric" and "The Slowhand Masterfile"? Specifically I'm wondering about Richard Manuel's contributions to the latter, and whether either of these are worth getting for their Band involvement only. Any thoughts appreciated! - Jon


Posted on Fri Feb 25 20:09:51 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

mattk: "Lady Madonna" was originally released as a single. Capitol in the U.S. later included it on an album entitled "Hey Jude" which was released in 1970. This wasn't really an album but rather a collection of singles that in addition to "Lady Madonna", included "Revolution", "Hey Jude", "Old Brown Shoe", "Don't Let Me Down" and "The Ballad Of John and Yoko." The songs "Can't Buy Me Love", "I Should Have Known Better", "Paperback Writer" and "Rain", recorded years before were also included.

When dealing with the Beatles catalog you have to remember that in the U.S. Capitol issued albums containing different songs than those issued overseas by Parlophone and EMI's foreign affiliates. To further confuse matters, when the Beatles albums were finally reissued on CD, for the most part, the Parlophone versions were released. I don't think the Capitol "Hey Jude" album (later released under the name "The Beatles Again) was ever issued by Parlophone or reissued on CD. "Lady Madonna", however, is included on the CD compilation "1967-1970 (The Blue Album)".


Posted on Fri Feb 25 19:41:38 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

mattk.. As far as I know (but what do I know since my knowledge of pop music is limited) Lady Madonna was only released as a single.

Crabgrass: even the worst Band songs are great songs and far better than the very best of many other bands. All is relative you know... & thanx for including some of my faves...


Posted on Fri Feb 25 19:15:25 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Ok, I have a non-Band question. It's pretty remedial, so please forgive my ignorance:

What was the original album on which the Beatles released "Lady Madonna?" I've checked all of my commercial releases (not counting anthologies). It's not on Help, Revolver, Rubber Soul, Sgt Peppers, White Album, Abbey Road, Let It Be, Magical Mystery Tour, Hard Days Night, or Yellow Submarine...

Anyone? Bueller? ...Bueller?

Matt


Posted on Fri Feb 25 17:39:54 CET 2000 from 56k-la-01-40.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.103)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Lee Vining, Ca.

On the HOTH tour Rick was using a standard size medium plastic pic that was white with Rick Danko in gold lettering.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 17:37:57 CET 2000 from gate2.motorola.de.71.180.62.in-addr.arpa (62.180.71.202)

Paul

From: London, England

One of two rather belated comments on Rick. I've loved the Band ever since school days ie. a long, long time ago. I never saw the orginal Band but couldn't keep out the cinema when The Last Waltz came out. It was always Rick who caught my attention, the pain and the joy of his voice. I caught him playing solo at the Borderline in London a number of years ago. What a memorable evening, great songs, fantastic humour! I had a ticket to see him with Fjeld and Andersen some time later at the same venue but unfortunately that one was cancelled. Then I caught him playing a few songs with Five Men & a Dog and finally with the Band at the Town & Country club in London, just a few years ago. It was great to see Rick but it wasn't one of his good nights. I think he'd have preferred to be somewhere else (he was somewhere else!) I'll fondly remember him solo and in the Last Waltz. It makes no difference where I turn I can't get over you and the flame still burns....Thanks Rick and God bless.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 16:49:21 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-182.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.182)

Misty M

From: earth

What a thing to even post on this site, the worst band songs?? You mean they had bad ones..In my opinion The Band makes the best music by far. And what 'crab' is calling the worst of their music, I find quite enjoyable. Any band song is like taking a trip across the country. I have said before how thier music paints pictures in my mind of wonderful places and events. I Love the band period. And all of their music is a pleasure for me to listen to. A word of thanks to Jan for taking time to update this site and keep it going. Your work is very appreciated. god bless misty


Posted on Fri Feb 25 15:14:09 CET 2000 from spider-tr084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.214)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

We all know how subjective any kind of "lists" are. For example, I love Jupiter Hollow, which I think is first on Crabgrass' list. A much beloved song which I have never been able to appreciate is The Third Man Theme which {IMHO of course} mars an otherwise fine album of well chosen covers. A song which I think fits Crabgrass description is Let The Night Fall from Islands. Good music, impassioned vocal from Richard{and great harmonies} with totally throw-away lyrics. On another subject: a couple months ago when the movie Girl Interrupted featured The Weight on the soundtrack someone mentioned that Hollywood has used that song so often that they must think it is the only Band song worrth using. Around 1:30 AM I was channel surfing and caught the unmistakable beat of Cripple Creek. A couple were in a car, I think, then suddenly at a party in the Playboy Mansion circa early 70's complete with HH in pajamas. A check of the TV guide showed that it was Star 80, about the ill-fated Playboy centerfold and bunny Dorothy Stratton. I only watched it for a couple minutes(I was surfing} but it was nice to hear one of my favorite Band songs used in a movie.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 14:07:25 CET 2000 from (209.155.134.37)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about picks. I guess the sound you get would depend on the pick and the strings one used. A six pence coin is interesting!


Posted on Fri Feb 25 12:49:15 CET 2000 from webcache01b.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.194.11)

Frank Heatley

From: Ireland

I have be a BIG fan for years!!! Too many to mention!! I seen "The Band" play live in Dublin a few years ago - what a hoot!! I got my photo taken with Levon. I would like to put it in the band web page. I enter the web page everyday to see if it has been updated - & I be very disappointed when its not... Keep it flowing... Got to go or I will be found out that I am your biggest fan!!!! Bye for now Frank


Posted on Fri Feb 25 10:54:50 CET 2000 from ts1-32.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.32)

Doug S.

From: Points North

Just Wondering:Knopfler uses his fingers as does Jeff Beck.Brian May[Queen] Uses a 1 Pence coin.Carlos uses what appear to be bass picks they're large and kinda triangular.Most players of this stature have custom picks made to their spec's.As with strings try a few diffrent types[i have a fishing tackle box filled with diffrent picks that i have used over the years].Lighter guages for strumming heavier for picking.It really is a matter of preferance.This is where your personnal sound is developed,we want to hear you not you doing your Clapton impression.Best of luck.Doug P.S. For the record i use Jim Dulop Tortex .71mm[the orange ones]for guitar and a heavier[1mm] for Mandolin.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 07:30:25 CET 2000 from spider-tr052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.197)

Henry

From: rainy California

Hi everyone, It`s been a while since I`ve written but I read the GB daily. In every post I feel obligated to mention in my opinion The Band is the best there ever was and the best there ever will be. I`ve had the pleasure of living in the San Francisco area since 1973 and taken advantage of hearing many of the big name musicians perform in the 70`s and 80`s. The Band beats them all, hands down. I`m having a problem with this thread of The Band`s worst songs. I don`t think such a thing even exists. I have all their commerically released albums/cd`s and as many boots, private pressings, and personal recordings as I can get my hands on. There isn`t a bad song in the lot. There may be some songs that I enjoy more at any given time or possibly some songs that are a little better than others. But there is no such thing as a bad song, or bad album, by The Band. Individually, they are incredibly talented musicians, singers and composers (no matter who`s name is on the label I think they all helped put the music together). As a group there is something very special about how well all the instruments and voices blend so perfectly. Without overanalyzing it I just enjoy listening to their music. All of it. For those of you who haven`t heard Breeze Hill yet, it`s great too. Thanks Jan for continuing to maintain this fantastic site and for allowing me to be your guest tonight. Long Live THE BAND


Posted on Fri Feb 25 06:41:27 CET 2000 from user-33qt804.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.4)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

One reason (perhaps the only reason) Eat The Document is shorter than Dont Look Back is that Document was cut as a one hour TV show, originally intended for ABC but rejected as too psychedelic. Thus the fade to black every 12 minutes or so.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 05:37:30 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Hey Bumbles: thanks for that quote from John Hiatt about the BMG initials standing for "big, mean Germans." I just ran into an old friend who had lost his job when BMG bought American publisher Random House and "downsized" lots of veteran employees of that company. I'll be passing that line along. That Hiatt is brilliant--and damn funny, too!


Posted on Fri Feb 25 05:37:08 CET 2000 from host10.pm4.laurel.us.net (198.240.94.10)

mattk

Jonathon, that's amazing memory. Becareful or I'm gonna have to take that Columbia exit next time I'm saddling up 29 from Takoma Park and take flight with your record collection...

; ) matt


Posted on Fri Feb 25 04:46:22 CET 2000 from parachute1-156-40-64-36.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.36)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Crabgrass: The other one is called "Does She Need Me" and its on "GBS, Take 2."


Posted on Fri Feb 25 04:32:46 CET 2000 from parachute3-156-40-62-75.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.75)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

David Powell: Pennebaker has also said some more flattering things about the Dylan edited, "Eat The Document." It was never supposed to be his film from the very start. Interestingly, there is a Pennebaker "version" of the film that only a few people have seen. I'd love to see that one! BTW [I can't remember who asked]: One of the "hotel" songs with Robbie is called "What Kind of Friend Is This?" and its on the boot: The Genuine Bootleg Series, Take 1."


Posted on Fri Feb 25 03:14:30 CET 2000 from pc19f7a99.dip.t-dialin.net (193.159.122.153)

Wolle

From: Germany / Hamburg
Home page

Hi The Band & Fans, The Band New Cd???????? Next Concert - Germany/Europa??????? Come Together!!!!!!!!Please!!!! Wolle


Posted on Fri Feb 25 02:40:51 CET 2000 from ab7.abtech-dist.com (207.235.18.7)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Molly Z: Thanks for the input!


Posted on Fri Feb 25 02:39:59 CET 2000 from spider-wm042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.167)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Peter Viney: I was wondering, regarding Levon's Homespun tape, does Rick appear at the end? You said that The Band plays at the end. Thanks for the info! Happy Thursday night everyone!


Posted on Fri Feb 25 02:37:26 CET 2000 from na1p4.ark.com (207.107.182.36)

ricardo

From: the rock

hats off to vancouver islands own diana krall for winning her grammy.she,s got the island buzzing.an awsome talent with a big future.as for the question about what kind of guitar picks the great players are using,they probably are tortoise shell picks which are by far superior to anything else,and also illegal these days.adios


Posted on Fri Feb 25 01:37:29 CET 2000 from spider-tm022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.52)

Bumbles

From: On Broadway

The Band's own Mr. First-Nighter is at it again! Today's Mitchell Fink column in the New York Daily News is devoted to coverage of Clive Davis' Grammy night party, always the highlight of the music industry's annual orgy of self-celebration. Davis is the former Columbia Records chief who left that label amid swirls of scandal and went on to start Arista, where he reigns to this day. This year's party was also an opportunity for the business' elite (Whitney Houston! Barry Manilow!) to rally to Davis' support. For despite being acknowledged as the engineer of Carlos Santana's sweep of the awards (he signed the then-label-less guitarist and is credited as co-producer of Supernatural), Davis is reported to be under pressure from parent corporation BMG (an acronym standing for "Big, Mean Germans," John Hiatt once said) to step down. Buried among the expressions of support Fink gathered from the predictably fabulous crowd of guests (Billy Joel! Neil Diamond! Sean [Puffy] Combs!) is the following:

Robbie Robertson: He was there when I was the guitar player in Bob Dylan's backup band, so I know Clive for a very long time. He will do well however all this plays out. You've heard of "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina"? Now you can add "Don't Cry for Me, Clive Davis."


Posted on Fri Feb 25 01:23:28 CET 2000 from ip-159.dial.wans.com (64.7.64.159)

Molly Z.

Just Wondering: I think I can answer your question.

Although I'm not sure what Santana, Clapton, Knopler, Robertson, and Danko use, I'm sure they use Fender, Jim Dunlop, D'Andrea, and Kradl picks. Hope this helps.

Have a good night everyone.


Posted on Fri Feb 25 00:15:03 CET 2000 from pm3-098.efn.org (206.163.180.98)

deb

From: oregon

It was really neat to see Carlos Santana win the awards he so rightfully deserved on the Grammy's...but what is even better is seeing all the vintage videos the networks have been dragging out of their vaults today. Did anyone catch that awesome afro the size of a volkswagon that one of the band members from Santana had in a 30 year old video? Cool. And my, but Bob Dylan is looking healthier than he has for some time now, I'm glad to see.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 23:49:33 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Crabgrass: your points re: Eat the Document are well taken. When I said the glimpses of Richard & Bob were "neat", I meant that it's nice to see any footage of Richard at all from this period, albeit rather unflattering and edited with the randomness of home movies. And I'd forgotten about those (all too brief) snippets of Bob and Robbie playing in the hotel room, definitely a highlight. There will always be interest in Eat the Document just because it's the only surviving visual record of that crucial 1966 tour, even if it doesn't hold up as a film.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 23:10:02 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Self-correction: It IS McDevitt. Sorry Peter. Nancy Whiskey was the singer of "Freight Train", I believe, but Shirley Douglas was in there somewhere.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 22:25:33 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

According to D.A. Pennebaker, in the recent interview I previously cited, "Eat The Document" was "pretty much edited by Bob [Dylan], Robbie Robertson, who was in The Band, and Howard Alk..."

Judging from his comments, Mr. Pennebaker didn't particularly like the way the performance footage he shot was edited. As he put it, "I think the thing I find most troublesome for me, I know, because some of the performance stuff I shot was some of the most extraordinary performance footage I've ever shot, but it was intercut, and the performances lost a lot of what was there. The one thing that was important was that it was never my film. It was Bob's film and I never wanted to get into a competition with him about it."

Robertson's role in editing the film is the reason why he went up to Woodstock in the first place, according to Robertson and other sources.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 22:19:53 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Peter: I'm wracking my brain for Shirley's surname, but Chas's was McDeavitt (with an 'a'). Their "Freight Train" was a skiffle hit here in the late '50s. A highly commendable version of "Freight Train" was released by ex-Hawk Eugene (Jay) Smith in the early '70s. Produced by Terry Jacks of all people.

Keeping on the skiffle front, I don't think anyone has mentioned that Paul McCartney was involved in an early '70s LP by Chris Barber and wife, Ottile Patterson (sp?).


Posted on Thu Feb 24 21:33:16 CET 2000 from du-tele3-116.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.116)

Peter Viney

Different strokes for different folks: Crabgrass’s list of worst songs puts "Jupiter Hollow’ at #1. For me, Garth’s finest moment deserves to be in the five best. It’s a bit negative to look at it this way, and I had promised myself not to mention a certain song again. But 7th worst is extravagant praise.

Dave Z; Tuition videos: In my opinion, Levon’s "On Drums & Drumming" is far and away the best, in content and in production quality, with full Band performances at the end. Great stories too. A wonderful evening with Levon, explaining his craft. I’d rate the Jim Weider ones next. Rick’s video is very early in the series and definitely amateurish in production quality. It has Rick’s charm all over it in compensation. I don’t think an aspiring bass player would pick up much. This is the opinion of an observer, not of someone using them for their intended purpose – tuition. There’s an article waiting to be written on tuition books, if not videos. Nearly every British guitarist studied Bert Weedon’s guitar books. I’m trying to remember the bassist’s ones. I think it was Chas and Shirley somebody. McDevitt? Anyway, the cover was Elvis pink. They taught you to plonk thuddingly along to much of the material now on Van Morrison’s ‘The Skiffle Sessions."

Reiterating earlier comments: Peter Guralnik’s second volume on Elvis, "Careless Love" is a great biography. It doesn’t dwell on the music as much as Hoskyns did, but given Elvis’s lifestyle is an even better read. You do learn that if the Colonel didn’t have a hand in the publishing, Elvis didn’t sing it, which was why he recorded such a lot of crap. That’s why we get just that 48 second fragment of "I Shall be Released." He ends by just saying "Dylan" which probably meant, "There’s no chance of screwing the writer on this one. Let’s forget it." Going back to our discussions on covers of The Band, Elvis could have done justice to a few of them on a good (i.e. Suspicious Minds) day. He did such bad versions of "Don’t think Twice" and "First time ever I Saw Your face" that there would have been no guarantee. BUT I’d vote for Elvis on "The Night they Drove old Dixie Down" if he’d promised not to make it a medley with American Trilogy. I love the latter, but not mixed with TNTDODD. You may think this hypothetical, but if he’s really still wandering around supermarkets shocking people …


Posted on Thu Feb 24 21:25:22 CET 2000 from 1cust193.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.193)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Those "neat glimpses of Dylan and Richard hanging out together" in Eat the Document show them both strung out on coke (not the popular soft drink) in a hotel dining room, and Richard being extremely rude and obnoxious to a young lady and her boyfriend (by offering to trade his jacket for her) just in case anyone hasn't seen it and is curious. Any songs in the film are fragments the best ones being two acoustic hotel room numbers by Dylan accompanied by Robbie on acoustic guitar. (A few months back I asked if anyone knew what these songs were - but no one seemed to know. They are beautiful.) Pennebaker shot some of the footage (which is good) but Dylan had told Pennebaker (according to Hoskyns) "I helped you make your film (Don't Look Back - excellent except for the ultra-annoying Joan Baez - Dylan should have left her home) now you help me make mine." Dylan edited the film with his buddy Howard Alk proving he was no "filmmaker." Unfortunately, he didn't learn his lesson and several years later produced the incredibly awful "Renaldo and Clara." Dylan should have stuck to what he was good at, namely music.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 20:25:37 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

In conjunction with the DVD release of "Don't Look Back", Time magazine hosted an on-line chat with D.A. Pennebaker on Feb. 3. When asked if "Eat The Document" will ever come out, Mr. Pennebaker responded: "I asked Bob that about six months ago. I don't think he really likes it. I think he was surprised at the number of people who went to see it at the Museum of Broadcasting in New York. It is a peculiar icon of our times. But no one knows what it is because not too many people have seen it. I hope that aspects of it will come out that are not presently in the film. But that's all up to Bob."

If you want to read the complete transcript of the question & answer session with Mr. Pennebaker, it is posted on-line here


Posted on Thu Feb 24 19:57:02 CET 2000 from fw1.clari.com (204.141.88.254)

Richard

The esteemed Mr. Hudson's performance last night in Stone Ridge, NY was a classic, featuring music that's obviously as much fun to play as it is to hear. The show started with an extended solo piano improvisation followed by a moving and beautiful rendition of Old Folks sung by Maud Hudson with Garth on piano. Aaron Hurwitz (keyboard) and Larry Packer (violin, mandolin and guitar) joined Garth for several instrumentals that illustrated his fluency and interest in various European musical styles, playing accordion, synthesizer and sax. Sea to the North was a duet with Larry on violin and led into a Celtic air and an accordion solo, then the trio played a spirited Beer Barrel Polka. They were joined by Marie Spinosa and Maud for Young Blood, with Garth on organ, sax, and, yes, vocal. The finale was a stunningly spiritual version of The Weight with inspired vocals by Aaron, Marie and Maud, and a sweet guitar solo by Steve Burgh. The audience of several hundred spanned three generations and they were not all locals. Garth brings out the emotion in music so well. It was a great show and a real privilege to attend. Go Garth!


Posted on Thu Feb 24 19:10:40 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Long Distance Operator, and others: I finally saw Eat the Document when it was screened here in New York City. While I enjoyed it, and found the footage of a couple of the classic May '66 electric cuts interesting, it didn't blow me away. The style of filmmaking/editing is even more jarring than in Don't Look Back (which I much prefer as a film, although the music of the Eat the Document period is of course fantastic), and the film is much shorter (at least the print I saw). Except for some neat glimpses of Richard and Bob hanging out together, and a brief glimpse of Garth, the Hawks/Band are barely visible at all (I take it this was because no one involved in the film project expected them to be famous, pre-1967 at least, and figured they were little more than Dylan's touring band). This is not to slam the movie! -- just to make your expectations a bit more realistic, since you've been waiting so long to see it. An official release would be neat, but in my opinion Don't Look Back is by far the stronger film.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 18:57:47 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The first step in any reissue project is combing through the vaults to locate the original master tapes. This is no small task since the reels are often mislabled or misplaced. As I mentioned here recently, JVC of Japan's plans to reissue a quality CD version of "The Band" album had to be scrapped several years ago because the original master reportedly couldn't be found. Speculation is that the recent EMI Centenary LP reissue of that album used an early generation production copy as a source. It is common practice for recording labels to send copies rather than the original masters to their foreign affiliates for overseas production. Many recent reissues coming out England and Germany have been sourced from such production copies.

Sony purchased the Columbia catalog years ago. As a pioneering manufacturer of electronic equipment and an early proponent of digital recording, Sony has realized the benefits of using care along with quality equipment in the mastering chain. Evidence the results in the recent reissue projects of the Byrds, Dylan, Miles Davis and Santana catalogs. Perhaps best of all, these fine sounding Sony reissues retail in the mid-price range. A great example of this is the Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" reissue, which I picked up on sale for $9.

Bob Irvin, who has produced reissue projects for Sony, also has his own "Sundazed" label that produces CD and LP reissues. Sundazed has reissued 180-gram vinyl LP versions of the first four Byrds albums so far. The sound and the packaging of these LPs are excellent. At a retail price of around $15, these are the best bargains around in an era where most quality vinyl reissues sell for at least twice that amount.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 18:31:26 CET 2000 from polaris-fw1.nspco.com (206.10.243.20)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Nice Danko pic Marty S...

I'm gonna hole up in my basement this weekend and work on my 8' x 7' Band mural... and will be listening to my new Woodstock Winter and Howlin Wolf CDs recommended by GBers... Thanks again...

And for a question... can anybody share an opinion on the best of the Band related Homespun videos... I think Levon, Rick, Randy and Jim all have videos out on technique, etc,... So which are best? Which to buy first? I don't play but I'm getting tired of watching Seasame Street videos with my twin 1-1/2 yr old boys...


Posted on Thu Feb 24 16:42:30 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

I picked up the "offending" issue of Mojo. I wasn't offended by Hoskyn's Rick Danko obit, though I had to wonder why Barney thought it necessary to mention that he'd been a virtual neighbour for four years (especially as he doesn't seem ever to have spoken to that neighbour).

But beyond the obit, there was tons of interesting stuff, some of it with Band associations. For example, an excellent article on Fred Neil mentions that Rick Danko had been involved in one of Fred's save-the-dolphins projects. Good for him!

Most interesting tidbit to me, and perhaps others who've discussed both the personnel on the Bobby Charles LP and the Left Banke in this forum, is that violinist Harry Lookofsky (who's on the Charles LP) is the father of Left Banke leader, Michael Brown. No wonder the son was so fond of strings.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 15:54:54 CET 2000 from proxy-635.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.69)

Just Wonderin'

Nice to see Carlos Santana do so well at the Grammys.

My 15 year old son had a question though (because he's interested in such things and I surly don't have the answers to technical things involving music) What kind of picks do people like Santana, Clapton, Knopler, Robertson, Danko et al use?

Maybe some of you professionals out there can answer his question? Thanks!


Posted on Thu Feb 24 11:18:10 CET 2000 from du106-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.106)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries
Home page

THANKS!!!!
Bruce Smith, Marty S., Serge Daniloff - for your pictures of Rick Feb 22.-24. (playing fiddle and fretless bass!)


Posted on Thu Feb 24 09:50:12 CET 2000 from 2cust98.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.133.226)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

No doubt, more than a few of you will take exception to some of my inclusions - but with so many weak, inferior, substandard, and downright awful songs on The Band's albums of "original" music beyond Stage Fright (the third and final Classic Band Album - they should've quit while they were ahead like the Beatles did) it was necessary for me to make some hard choices. Some of the songs considered merely had abysmal or sappy lyrics, while others had mediocre lyrics yet the music was uninventive, tediously boring, and generally "not up to scratch." Of course, the easy inclusions (See #2.) encompassed both of these qualities. My sincere apologies to those of you whose favorite pick is not included on my list of the:

TOP TEN WORST BAND SONGS

(Original 5 members, studio albums only)

1. Jupiter Hollow

2. Christmas Must Be Tonight

3. Islands (instr.)

4. Rags and Bones

5. Where Do We Go From Here?

6. Hobo Jungle

7. The Moon Struck One

8. Last of the Blacksmiths

9. Right As Rain

10. Saga of Pepote Rouge


Posted on Thu Feb 24 09:42:37 CET 2000 from ts1-38.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.38)

Doug

From: the left coast

Cudo's to Carlos Santana,it would have been a great night had Tom Waits won for best vocal by a male but slim chance of the Academy being that open minded oh well.Was there any mention of those who have passed in the last year? i didn't see the whole show.I was just thinking that perhaps they might mention our dear Rick.Be well brothers and sisters[that goes double for you my Crazy Roch Chick]Cupid


Posted on Thu Feb 24 07:04:29 CET 2000 from na4p9.ark.com (207.107.182.185)

ricardo

From: the rock

we lost another music pioneer from the 50s last week with the passing of screamin j hawkins the original voodoo rock man.in 1956 his song "i put a spell on you" blew every one away.another great gone.adios amigos


Posted on Thu Feb 24 06:30:00 CET 2000 from spider-tk071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.206)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo St.
Home page

Yo! Great news! I don't know if it's been reported here yet, but VH1 is fixin' to air a Behind The Music on Robbie Robertson. Click on the link I've attached for more information. Well alright!


Posted on Thu Feb 24 06:17:57 CET 2000 from spider-wj024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.29)

Liz

From: here, there and everywhere...

"Asleep at the Wheel" won one too ! Yeah Grammy's.....the last thing Carlos said was[ after he dragged Clive up on stage.. : )] Music is the mass communicator of the generations, the vehicle of healing.... the last was : "Long Live John Coltraine........"


Posted on Thu Feb 24 05:25:15 CET 2000 from spider-ta021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.51)

Marty

From: NJ

LOVE THE WEB SITE. I KNEW BEING AN AVID FAN, THAT I WASN'T ALONE, BUT THIS IS LIKE THE MOVIE "CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" AND ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SOMEHOW SUMMONSED TO ONE PLACE FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS, AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT EACH OTHER UNTIL IT ALL COMES TOGETHER. I'M NOT ALONE! THANKS


Posted on Thu Feb 24 05:24:33 CET 2000 from spider-tk052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.197)

Liz/yaya

From: wherevvahhh
Home page

k........Cudos to Carlos, Love ya Lil. also Clive Davis..... yes yes yeeyayasss.ok now why did Rosie O Donnell say : " heres a Bunch of Guys No one has ever heard of " when she introduced Mike Bell and Sam Marshall and the best Fiddle -"Band "type music of the night ? why ? any one else notice this ? But also as the trail credits ran Rosie was wondering why Macie Gray didnt win, so was I ? lets have Grammy comments guys. you all can proselytize better than I ?????? and Bobby was Great . good to see him, hate to be morbid but did I miss the "who died this year "thing ? or has it been eliminated cause everybody died ? ....talk to me


Posted on Thu Feb 24 05:02:01 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-15-111.termserv.net (208.20.67.111)

Diamond Lil

From: past my bedtime

Way to go Carlos! (You owe me ten bucks saxman :-)


Posted on Thu Feb 24 04:19:37 CET 2000 from spider-ta016.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.17)

Liz

From: The world

Mike Green's speach and the kids were good, but obviously....... if you want to win a Grammy you have to have the best Marketing team, and A&r people we know this....... c'mon ? Suzzane Tedesci didnt win ? this is crazy .......... Im sure you all know what I mean any NARAS members here?


Posted on Thu Feb 24 04:13:10 CET 2000 from spider-ta083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.83)

Liz// yaya

From: the world

And the best Grammy goes to: THE BEST MARKETING SCHEME< the best plan and website........OTHER THAN CARLOS< THIS IS A WAR OF THE SALES AND A&R GUYS and Girls..Grammy's =Politics? YES....... any NARAS members here ?


Posted on Thu Feb 24 03:07:55 CET 2000 from user-33qt8p3.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.35)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Regarding unreleased material...Eat The Document continually is mentioned in rumored releases, the latest being a DVD version with interviews by Pennybaker et.al. Again, rumors only. Since many here have seen it, I'm not sure how much material is in audio-only shape for release. Remember that very few of the shows were recorded professionally; most performances that appear in the movie are of indifferent quality. Some (like the real Royal Albert Hall show) are of questionable value, given Dylan's teetering shape. What may be of the best value would be a compilation of the tours 65-66, especially some of the Australian material which is of better than average quality, and the Dublin show which was also pro recorded. As for Band material, very few things have leaked out from the album sessions. I believe the esteemed Peter Viney has catalogued the rumors etc earlier on the GB. As for live shows, the earliest quality live recordings are the ROA outtakes, followed by Watkins Glen, Roosevelt Stadium, and so on. The first two are well represented and the third ranks alone as the worst Band performance committed to tape. Intrigueing is the September 76 show, supposedly recorded as a radio broadcast, wherein the group reassembles a horn section, fiddler, and Butterfield for what became the Band's real last show. Why? Because RR announces his decision to end the trail immediately following the end of the show, purportedly in the dressing room. It is easily one of the best live Band performances, a crucial document of the power of the NLSC songs and a gauge of exactly how well these guys could sing and play. Whoever supposedly examines the Band's vaults should start right there. Of course, one must mention the tape of the Hawks listed in the bootleg section on the site. Though not technically a live tape, as it was not recorded during an actual performance before an audience, the tape is probably the best document of the Hawks from that era. Whether that is ever released is best answered by others.


Posted on Thu Feb 24 00:26:56 CET 2000 from spider-tl031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.186)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

It is absolutely time for the Band's unreleased material to be unleashed on the public. I've been waiting for any form of Eat The Document to become available. What's the holdup? Dylan's "Live '66" album sold tremendously well, so it's not as if there isn't a market for it. I don't want to wait until I'm 75 years old before I can hear this stuff!


Posted on Thu Feb 24 00:26:02 CET 2000 from pega2pp57.alltel.net (166.102.107.58)

Martha Page

From: Georgia

Here is an interesting comment on Grey Owl in the introduction to an article by Heather Robertson on Canadian artists (which includes references to RR) in Canadian Forum, Oct., 1989:

"Forty years after his death Grey Owl is still Canada's most famous Indian writer. The fact that Grey owl was really Archie Belaney, an English immigrant disguised in buckskin and braids, doesn't matter. Grey Owl's international celebrity firmly entrenched a stereotype of the Indian artist as a silent, hawk-nosed recluse with an inordinate attachment to beavers. Expected to conform to this phony British persona, real Indian artists have been shunted aside into an anthropological ghetto many of them now find offensive and irrelevant."


Posted on Wed Feb 23 23:05:58 CET 2000 from spider-wd052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.172)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

David Powell-you make a good point that the Band catalog deserves the same remaster/update treatment that the Byrds catalog has recieved. As a diehard Byrds fan, the 2 albums you stressed-Untitled and the live Fillmore-have been eagerly anticipated by me since reading about them sometime ago. They are both from the Byrd's latter days, which I think are under-appreciated by many. Untitled was a double album on vinyl and has been expanded to a double cd with many studio outakes and live versions. The entire Byrds catolog has been overhauled in this manner and released now, thanks to Bob Irwin(who you also mentioned}.Irwin is a major fan who worked his way up through the ranke in the business and managed to pull all this off for one of his favorite groups. It seems that there must be someone of similair caliber who could lobby foe and jumpstart a Band project. Much of Irvin's success is due to a good working relationship with McGuinn. If the rumors are true regarding outakes and stuff the boys(especially Garth from what I have heard}have stashed away, most of the albums including the 90's ones could be re-released with a generous amount of extras. It seems that there would be a market, as I'm pretty certain the boxset ant Watkins Glen were profitible. We can only hope.


Posted on Wed Feb 23 21:06:33 CET 2000 from (208.246.67.168)

Michael Lynn

Interested in finding out who to contact regarding rights authorization to Robertson song...address/contact??? Thnx Mike Lynn


Posted on Wed Feb 23 19:24:01 CET 2000 from motive.math.tifr.res.in (158.144.3.11)

Yogi

From: Bombay, India

I've been visiting this site off and on for the last five or so years, and I would like to congratulate and thank the people involved. An absolutely marvellous effort, and an absolutely marvellous band !


Posted on Wed Feb 23 17:36:24 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.223)

David Powell

From: Georgia

There's a great live version of "This Wheel's On Fire" included on the just released album "The Byrds Live at the Fillmore--February 1969" (Columbia/Legacy). The CD includes sixteen previously unissued songs recorded at the Fillmore West by the Byrds line-up that included Roger McGuinn accompanied by guitarist Clarence White, John York on bass and Gene Parsons on drums. At the time of these performances, Columbia had no plans to release a concert album. The engineers were on hand to record the headlining group, Mike Bloomfield, Nick Gravenites, Mark Natafalin & Friends, and taped the Byrds as a soundcheck. Fortunately Columbia saved the tapes, which were recently discovered by producer Bob Irvin & his staff while preparing for the Byrds reissue project.

The highlight of this live album is Clarence White's amazing string-bending guitar work. His interplay with McGuinn's 12-string Rickenbacker adds extra dimensions to both the old and the new material. McGuinn's always strong singing is captured in fine form and the rhythm section of York & Parsons, who also sing background vocals, prove to be up to the task.

The album includes several of the then-newly released songs from "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde" album, along with some older Byrds standards and several country songs from "Sweetheart of the Rodeo." Rarities include the instumentals "Nashville West" and the Buck Owens band's theme "Buckaroo," along with the classic "Close Up The Honky Tonks" and Merle Haggard's "Sing Me Back Home."

In addition to this album, Columbia/Legacy has also just released newly remastered versions of "Untitled/Unissued" (including a bonus disc of material), "Byrdmaniax" and "Farther Along" albums as part of Bob Irvin's reissue project. This project, which utilizes state-of-the-art remastering equipment and includes bonus material, is an example of how CD reissues should be done. Maybe someday someone will see fit to do the same with The Band's catalog. With the recent news of Time Warner's merger with EMI, maybe there's hope yet.


Posted on Wed Feb 23 11:19:20 CET 2000 from spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.54)

Sean

From: Melbourne

Here are a few more ideas for some Band tributes by other artists. Hope you enjoy 1.Up on Cripple Creek Elvis Costello and the Attractions 2.Rag Mama Rag Steve Earle 3.The Weight The four Tops 4.Just Another Whistle Stop Steve Winwood 5.Jawbone Joe Cocker


Posted on Wed Feb 23 08:53:28 CET 2000 from du228-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.228)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries

The Band covers, all songs: Ronnie Hawkins, Bob Dylan

Ilkka
- always the first to be one step behind


Posted on Wed Feb 23 06:28:38 CET 2000 from user-33qt91s.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.60)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

All the Band albums are constantly up for bidding on eBay. CD's too. Do a search for "The Band" and wade through the deritus; you'll be well rewarded.


Posted on Wed Feb 23 04:35:25 CET 2000 from (200.191.199.12)

Marcelo de Andrade Toledo

From: Porto Alegre / Brazil

Hello guys. I'm from Brazil, the very south of the country, almost in Argentina. The site is great, very informative, very playful. I'm looking for other guys that, just like me, love this unique group. I'm also looking for their 1977 album "Islands". Here in Brazil is very hard to find it. If someone knows something, or have the CD version, let me know, e-mail me.Thanks and very warm greetings for all.


Posted on Wed Feb 23 03:49:21 CET 2000 from stcatherines-ppp109176.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.107)

Richard Patterson

John Prine: after the excellent 'Lost Dogs' lp and recovery from throat cancer, John Prine has bounced back with an lp of covers (and 1 original). The covers are for the most part duets with the finest female singings in country music; Connie Smith,Trisha Yearwood, Melba Montgomery,Emmylou Harris,Dolores Keanes, Patty Loveless, and _especially_ relative new comers Lucinda Williams and Iris Dement (actually the biggest contributor here). The material is John's take on classic country duets, and for the most part not his own material. "(We're Not) The Jet Set", and "Let's Invite Them Over" are George and Tammy ringers! "When two World's Colide" (with Trisha), and "It's a Cheating Situation" (with Dolores) are great but the hands down standout on this lp is the one John Prine original "In Spite of Ourselves", on which he is accompanied by the tremendous newcomer Iris Dement. (Look for her strong '96 CD "the way i should be now"-you will not be dissapointed!). John Prine fans dig in!


Posted on Wed Feb 23 03:20:33 CET 2000 from spider-tn052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.67)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

J. Ryan:re artists who have lived and/or recorded in Woodstock: I'm certain this isn't what you had in mind, and there are those who would disagree with the word "artist" being applied here but...I just read in the local paper that Chevy Chase grew up in Woodstock. Oh, well, there is a definite Band connection as the the original 5's appearance a few weeks prior to the LW(well discussed in this GB) was during Chase's one and only season on SNL.


Posted on Wed Feb 23 00:59:11 CET 2000 from cw03.n1.srv.t-online.de (212.185.253.3)

Robert Bauernfeind

From: Germany

I`m just looking for the tape of The Complete Last Waltz! Did anybody can help me, to find this record?


Posted on Tue Feb 22 23:41:32 CET 2000 from port22.den4-pm3.iex.net (209.151.70.118)

margaret anne eckels

From: indian country - colorado

well i am in copy of the the red boy album and i am glad, because it is very informative and a gift from r robertson i hear red boy, and i believe that all gods holy people are free today thank you r robertson for red boy album luv mae


Posted on Tue Feb 22 22:08:52 CET 2000 from spider-ti061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.201)

Chris Cotter

From: Massachusetts

I've been following the band for 30 years. The web site is very informative, and now i finally have my own e-mail adress, and hope to keep communicating with other band lovers =) I just wanted to sign in, and hope to be in the guest book regularly.


Posted on Tue Feb 22 21:46:28 CET 2000 from 1cust30.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.30)

Damon Z

From: The Island

I'm not dying to hear anyone cover any of The Band's songs. The Band's original recordings of their classic songs are uniquely perfect just like those of the Beatles. For anyone else to re-record them is not only superfluous but borders on sacrilege. In MY NOT SO humble opinion.

Of course, I respect the right of those of you who enjoyed Michael Jackson's cover of the Beatles' "Come Together" (video version appropriately replete with staged "Michaelmania") to disagree.


Posted on Tue Feb 22 21:38:56 CET 2000 from ab7.abtech-dist.com (207.235.18.7)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Bones: Would you be kind enough to post the date and perhaps issue no. of that billboard mag you mentioned in your last post? I don't think I can find it here in this town, but I would like to try and order it online somewhere. Thanks!


Posted on Tue Feb 22 21:26:44 CET 2000 from spider-pa011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.232.31)

mattk

Charley, man, how could you do me so wrong? A&R? I don't think my self-esteem could take a beating like that...after all, I have a SOUL...

; )


Posted on Tue Feb 22 20:21:31 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

There is a picture of Robbie Robertson in the recent Billboard Magazine. Robbie, Bono, Wim Wenders, and others at the Village Recorder in LA. They are working on the music to a movie called "Million Dollar Hotel".


Posted on Tue Feb 22 19:56:08 CET 2000 from gateway.tpp.com (198.81.246.2)

Brown-Eyed Johnny

The official Grammy Awards site lists Bob Dylan as among the presenters at tomorrow's ceremonies.


Posted on Tue Feb 22 17:04:00 CET 2000 from proxy-523.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.113)

Just Wonderin'

I've been listening to "Largo" again and can't get over what a wonderful cd it is.

Any of the musicians could cover Band songs easily. I think someone already mentioned Cindy Lauper.

Also what about Willie Nelson say covering "Out of The Blue" and The Tractors "Mystery Train"?


Posted on Tue Feb 22 14:46:53 CET 2000 from levon.hiof.no (158.36.51.54)

Jan H.

From: Halden, Norway
Home page

The Band's Jim Weider will be playing with Tom Pacheco and Steinar Albrigtsen at the Norwegian Grammy Awards, Friday February 25th. And the day before he'll have coffee with yours truly ...

They will probably play "They Can't Touch You Now" from the new Pacheco/Albrigtsen album, as a tribute to Rick Danko. Rick sings harmony on this song on the album, it was to be his last studio recording.


Posted on Tue Feb 22 13:26:01 CET 2000 from annex4-port29.ulster.net (208.148.184.29)

Tom

Yes, the legendary Memphis Pilgrims are playing shows - (for you east coasters!)

Friday - Feb 25th - West Strand Grill - Kingston,NY
Saturday, Feb 26: Raccoon Lodge at Limestone's - Brooklyn, NY -718-745-9699
Saturday, March 11: Mexicali Blues Cafe - Teaneck, NJ - 201-836-9404

Featuring : Michael Falzarano - Guitarist/Singer - Jimmy Eppard - Guitarist/Background Vocals Steve Rust - Bass/Background Vocals - Harvey Sorgen - Drums + Aaron Hurwitz - Keyboards/Accordion

For more info see: www.memphispilgrims.com

Don't miss this rare opportunity!

Tom/Woodstock,NY


Posted on Tue Feb 22 06:41:06 CET 2000 from 36.jacksonville-06-07rs.fl.dial-access.att.net (12.77.200.36)

Lonn Biastre

Home page

"Pour beer on a drum machine and it quits....pour beer on a drummer and it gets better"......"Levon"


Posted on Tue Feb 22 06:13:06 CET 2000 from 209-239-201-122.oak.jps.net (209.239.201.122)

Phil

From: Over by the lake

In a Rolling Stone interview in the '80's, Eric Clapton was commenting on song writers he admired and he went on to praise RR and singled out "The Moon Struck One" as a song that could have been taken from one his own childhood experience's. Maybe he was stung by a snake? The lyrics may be a bit sappy but, its a good performance musically by The Band.


Posted on Tue Feb 22 05:13:13 CET 2000 from user-33qt99o.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.56)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Okay, now for what's good about Moon Struck One: Richard's stellar performance; the incredible Garth Hudson--truly one of his finest moments; a very interesting and unique chord progression, especially the move to Garth's soli; the equally unique structure--a song with no chorus, so to speak; the haunting melody, especially the swoop on each line before the title's appearance. No defense for certain lyrics.....


Posted on Tue Feb 22 04:56:35 CET 2000 from spider-tm011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.46)

Dennis

From: The moon's up, the snow's down ...'n you don't need a flashlight to walk the dog tonight here in West Saugerties, N.Y.

A hearty thank-you to all that left info on Wednesday's event with Mr's Hudson 'n Packer at Ulster County Community College. Another question and a quick thought: Kingston's Daily Freeman advertised a show at the West Strand Grill this Friday with the Memphis Pilgrims featuring original members of Hot Tuna...any ideas who? Gosh, if one could squeeze out a "stretched" week's vacation, you could see Mr's Hudson 'n Packer Wednesday, some Hot Tuna folks Friday, do some ski'in over a long, long weekend, and then check out Levon 'n the Barn Burners next Wednesday! Wish YOU were here, if anyone could use some help or directions, please don't hesitate to ask....


Posted on Tue Feb 22 04:43:53 CET 2000 from ss04.nc.us.ibm.com (32.97.136.234)

Mike Doebbler

From: Avalon Archives

Had a chat with Garth at the Lake two weeks ago. We spoke about the upcoming Ulster Community College performance on wednesday night. Prof. Larry Packer presents a music forum to this students and the public. He has invited Garth a long time friend. I asked Garth if he would be speaking also(which would be vintage in and of itself) he said he was going to enjoy playing and that he invited Prof.Louie and other another guest to join him. So if we know Garth he won't stop playing just so he don't have to talk much. Anyway Levon is out of town this week so it's not a hard choice as to were the fans should go this week for a FREE education in music. see ya all there


Posted on Tue Feb 22 02:40:55 CET 2000 from playtime.platypus.net.au (203.58.109.91)

Ingrid

From: Australia

Hello all Band fans. What I'm looking for is a serious Band fan and fellow music lover to write and discuss music with. The Band, in my oppinion is one of the greatest rock 'n' roll bands to emerge throughout music history, and I'd love to share e-mails with anyone, male or female, any country... I'm Australian with a wide taste of good music. So contact me at the above e-mail address, bye


Posted on Tue Feb 22 01:15:28 CET 2000 from ppp336.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.20)

Paul Godfrey

Carmen...Grey Owl The Movie stars Pierce Bronsan and Directed By Richard Attenborough. Check out www.greyowlmovie.com

It is the story of englishman Archy Blaney who moved to Canada and passed himself off as an Indian. He returned to England as Grey Owl the Indian and through his writings and speeches did a great deal for our environment especially in saving the Beaver. The music, guitar work sounds much like Robbie. However, I have not found the writers name regarding the soundtrack. Grey Owl will be released in Video stores in Canada tomorrow. Shine On & happy paddling


Posted on Tue Feb 22 00:53:38 CET 2000 from spider-wc032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.32)

J Ryan

From: Troy

Does anyone have a list of all the famous artists that either lived or recorded in Woodstock? Everytime the subject comes up, you hear a new one!


Posted on Tue Feb 22 00:15:17 CET 2000 from 1cust118.tnt3.macon.ga.da.uu.net (63.10.34.118)

Gary C. Weeks

From: Marietta, GA

I know I did not make this statement when I originally signed the guestbook, so pardon my ignorance while I try to compensate for my absentmindeness. I will miss Rick Danko for his mournful singing, his solid bass playing, but aboveall for being such a terrific stage personality that sent the most positive shock waves that affected all of us in good spirits only.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 23:31:03 CET 2000 from du-tele3-096.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.96)

Peter Viney

"Davy’s On the Road Again" was a #6 British hit for Manfred Mann in May 1968, staying in the chart 12 weeks – which means, I think, that RR had a decent-sized hit before "The Weight" got covered by all and sundry. I’d never realized this before. In retrospect this must have affected perceptions and politics!

Me? Got something against The Moon Struck One? You don't mean i've mentioned it before? It all started when I got stung by a snake. Over by the lake. Since then I was vacant and Julie was like a bird with a broken wing. Or ring. Or thing. Oh, the tears did fly. Still think it’s (a) the exception that proves the rule – RR is THE best lyricist of the last 30 years and everyone has an off day. (b) this sounds like an out-take from Chicago III. Well, maybe not THAT bad.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 23:01:01 CET 2000 from proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.93)

ED BLAYZOR

From: PATTERSON,NY

I`d like to see these artists cover band tunes 1.up on cripple creek- bob weir 2.acadien driftwood- shawn colvin,mary chapin carpenter, rosanne cash 3.the weight- the neville brothers 4.bound by love- mavericks w/ trisha yearwood 5.life is a carnival-dr.john 6.the shape i`m in- gov`t mule 7.evangilene- sheryl crow, marty stuart, willie nelson 8.across the great divide- john hiatt 9.last waltz theme-david grisman & tony rice 10.twighlight(acoustic) -csny 11.time to kill-blues travelers 12.sip the wine- dave matthews band 13.it makes no difference-bonnie raitt w/ garth hudson and bruce hornsby- what i would do to hear her sing this.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 22:30:27 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Muscle Shoals connection: The original version of "Dave's On The Road Again" (co-written by John Simon & Robbie Robertson) features Muscle Shoals back-up musicians Eddie Hinton, Barry Beckett, David Hood and Roger Hawkins (on guitar, organ, bass & drums respectively). The song appeared on "John Simon's Album" released in 1970.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 22:08:53 CET 2000 from 221.mercerville-36-37rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.78.154.221)

carmen

From: pa

My wife on a recent trip told me the in-flight movie was someting called "Grey Owl". She said much of the music was RR stuf. She was not paying much attention to it, however, said is was an Indian story. Any one here of this?


Posted on Mon Feb 21 21:53:18 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

Peter Viney: The liner notes to Manfred Mann's Watch disc claims that their cover of Robbie and John Simon's "Davey's On The Road Again" went Top Ten in the U.K. Wow! I never knew that. Also, you may want to see a doctor about your problem with "The Moon Struck One". I'm just kidding, but you do bring it up all the time.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 18:31:03 CET 2000 from lpcdept225.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.225)

Pete Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

A friend of mine recenty lent me a disk of some thing done by the folks on the Dukes of Hazzard. I can say without a doubt that Tom Wopat should not do a cover of Up on Cripple Creek.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 17:41:17 CET 2000 from ip-176.dial.wans.com (64.7.64.176)

Molly Z.

Hank: Nice setup. I'll name about 10 that I think good remakes:

1. I Shall Be released, Stones
2. King Harvest, Goo Goo Dolls
3. In A Station, CSNY
4. To Kingdom Come, Santana
5. The Night they Drove Dixie Down, Jewell
6. Stage Fright, Eric Clapton
7. Twilight, N Sync
7. Across the Great Divide, Robert Cray
8. Don't Wait, Hank Williams
9. White Cadillac, Mickey Hart/Greatful Dead
10. Long Black Veil, Fiona Apple.

Let me know what you think. have a good day everyone!!


Posted on Mon Feb 21 16:47:30 CET 2000 from dialup-268.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.12)

HANK WEDEL

From: YAZOO STREET

1 Stagefright.......THE WHO 2 Up on Cripple Creek....STEVE EARL AND THE DUKES 3 Yazoo Street Scandal.......THE RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS 4 The Shape I'm In......TOM JONES 5 King Harvest (Has Surely Come).... ...GEORGE HARRISON & PAUL McCARTNEY (sharing vocals...w/ RINGO on drums, I guess) 6 Life is a Carnival......KATE BUSH 7 Orange Juice Blues (Blues for Breakfast).........BUDDY GUY 8 The Weight.....THE SPICE GIRLS backed by BEN FOLDS FIVE 9 Chest Fever.......ELTON JOHN and PRINCE 10 Tears of Rage......VAN MORRISON 11 Goin' Down The Road To See Bessie.....ERIC CLAPTON 12 Acadian Driftwood.....CSN & Y 13 Rag Mama Rag....JOHN PRINE 14 Don't do it...TOM CLARK AND THE HIGH ACTION BOYS 15 Katies Been Gone.....HANK WEDEL AND OPEN KITCHEN Hope y'all don't mind me including my own band in there......this is just for fun, right?......Don't ya Tell Henry!!!!!!.............HANK


Posted on Mon Feb 21 16:47:52 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The song credits on Ronnie Hawkins's 1970 album list Solomon Burke, Bert Burns, Babe Marvin & Joseph C. Martin as the songwriters for "Down In The Alley." As Bumbles pointed out, Jesse Stone actually wrote the song, which was originally recorded by the Clovers. Elvis recorded a version of the song in 1966 that was included on the album "Spinout." This version was later reissued on the 1985 compilation album "Reconsider Baby", which credits the song to Jesse Stone. The Hawk's version sounds like it was influenced by the Elvis cover.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 15:43:33 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Hey mattk, love your list. Someone should suggest "Whispering Pines" to Susan Tedeschi for her next album. I could listen to her sing a George W. Bush speech (and that's as boring as words can get). I may have to watch the Grammy show this week just to catch a glimpse of her, although she'll certainly lose "best new artist" to one of the flavors of the month who will be washed up in ten years when Tedeschi hits her stride. I never could imagine ANYONE else singing "Whispering Pines," but damn, you are right, Matt. You should be an "A&R" guy...


Posted on Mon Feb 21 10:19:41 CET 2000 from spider-pa014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.232.34)

mattk

List...tribute...begin transmission...blues musicians (living) doing Band songs:

  1. Keb Mo - Ophelia
  2. Corey Harris - Life is a Carnival
  3. Susan Tedeschi - Whispering Pines
  4. Koko Taylor - Shape I'm In
  5. Buddy Guy - Look Out Cleveland
  6. Lonnie Mack - Up on Cripple Creek
  7. BB King - It Makes No Difference
  8. Paul DeLay - King Harvest
  9. Taj Mahal - Lonesome Highway
  10. James Cotton - Rag Mama Rag


Posted on Mon Feb 21 08:27:48 CET 2000 from spider-wg083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.58)

jason

From: greenfield, Tn.
Home page

i just wanted to get our home page out. anyone feel free to check us out, thanx daydream


Posted on Mon Feb 21 07:08:55 CET 2000 from proxy-636.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.70)

Ed Blayzor

From: PATTERSON,NY

Levon and the barnburners playing The Towne Crier 3/31 can`t wait.on the Eric Andersen site it mentions that he ,Rick and Jonas were getting ready to record a third cd this past autumn,does anyone know if they had a chance to record anything?


Posted on Mon Feb 21 05:46:12 CET 2000 from pm3-136.efn.org (206.163.180.136)

deb

From: oregon

I am also trying HTML coding; hope it works, Here goes:
1. John Hiatt singing The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.
2. Dave Matthews Band doing Tears of Rage.
3. Madonna singing Daniel and the Sacred Harp.
4. Van Morrison singing The Moon Struck One.
5. The Bodeans doing Twilight.
6. Rod Stewart singing Out of the Blue.
7. Lyle Lovett singing The Weight.
8. Sons of the Pioneers doing Evangeline.
9. Brooks and Dunn singing When I Paint My Masterpiece.
10. The Dixie Chicks singing Rag Mama Rag.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 05:23:27 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Good

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you

'Lil

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Huh!!!:-)


Posted on Mon Feb 21 04:47:58 CET 2000 from chpxy02-chrtr02.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.190.214)

steve

From: Mass

Hello friends, I am a huge Dylan fan and I was advised that I might be able to find Traders of Bootlegs on this site. I have very little to trade, though I am more than happy to do a B&P if that would work for any of you. I have 2/25/99 Portland and 7/20/99 Albany on disc and I have 7/04/86 w/T Petty and the Heartbreakers on video. All responses are welcome. Peace, Steve


Posted on Mon Feb 21 03:23:40 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

Larry Packer was, if I'm not mistaken, on the first Cat Mother LP, "The Street Giveth ... and the Street Taketh Away" (which was produced by Hendrix and which included the big 1969 hit, "Good Old Rock and Roll"). Other founding band members included Charlie Chin, who'd played banjo on Buffalo Springfield's "Bluebird", Roy Michaels, who'd been in the AuGoGo Singers with Stills and Furay, and Bob Smith, who'd been in the Dirty Shames with Amos Garret and Michaels.

Someone mentioned Ronnie Hawkins' "Let It Rock" LP. I picked it up for $5 on the weekend. And yes it may well be an embarrassment to Hawkins, but our guys come off reasonably well - "Remedy", "The Weight" and "Rock and Roll Shoes". (But then they do back up Ronnie on his maudlin bonus studio track, "Days Gone By".) The notes list the members of the Band as Danko, Helm, Hudson, Ciarlante, Weider, Bell, Lawrence Gowan (keyboards) and Jeff Healey (lead guitar).

Finally, on the Stan Szelest (and Jerry Warren) front, I picked up a second Allan Capson LP that features both of those worthies. (I mentioned finding the first a few weeks ago.) Makes me suspect that Stan may have done a pile of C&W studio work up here in the early '70s.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 03:01:04 CET 2000 from sarc1a211.snip.net (209.204.86.211)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

Not much to do, so for the sake of playing along here's my tribute album- The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down-Steve Earl & The Del McCoury Band....... The Remedy-Delbert McClinton....... The Weight-Ray Charles, Mavis Staples & Taj Mahal....... Don't Do It-B.B.King...... Last Train To Memphis-Willie Nelson...... Evangeline-Bonnie Rait & John Prine....... Ophelia-Buddy Guy


Posted on Mon Feb 21 02:16:04 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa012.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.132)

Sean

From: Melbourne

I would love to hear Jose Feliciano perform It Makes No Difference. Steve Earle cover Rag Mama Rag and Elvis Costello and the Attractions do Up On Cripple Creek. I'm going to try think of a few more over the next few weeks.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 01:47:04 CET 2000 from spider-tq082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.82)

Linda

From: N.Y.

Thank you Dave Z. . I too can hear Prince doing a solo for 'It Makes No Difference'. I'm a huge 'Artist' fan and hear R.R.'s passion in many guitar solos that hit a chord in me. Both guitarists play with full heart and soul. I'm Njoying reading all GB posts about covering Band songs.


Posted on Mon Feb 21 01:39:34 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-44-140.termserv.net (208.20.67.140)

Lil Again

Um...whew! :-)


Posted on Mon Feb 21 01:37:11 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-44-140.termserv.net (208.20.67.140)

Diamond Lil

Jan..oh patient and understanding one : I know I promised you that I wouldn't play with html coding, but I won't know if this works unless I try it.

I posted lyrics here about a week or so ago, and couldn't figure out how to space them without double spacing. Someone (who WILL be named if this doesn't work :-) just told me how.

Apologies in advance if I inadvertantly shrink or enlarge other posts, turn them funny colors, or delete them altogether.

Ok..here goes...

We must sip the wine
till it feels alright
We must sip the wine
into the night
We must sip the wine
together...

Wow! Just previewed...seems to have worked..nothing's smoking..hug Jan (just in case :-)........


Posted on Sun Feb 20 22:06:22 CET 2000 from pm301-ptp32.kalnet.net (205.139.183.93)

bill krohn

From: kalamazoo MI
Home page

Krohn's Boulevard Records has used vinyl albums & CDs, back issues of music magazines and Used But Not Abused CDs & Singles for sale. http://www.kalnet.net/krohn krohn@kalnet.net


Posted on Sun Feb 20 20:30:31 CET 2000 from cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net (207.172.7.101)

Ed MCkenna

I was wondering if anyone knew or knows where I can get the Guitar Tabs for the "Last waltz Themesong". I t seems basically easy but I can't figure it out.


Posted on Sun Feb 20 19:04:39 CET 2000 from cm102.gmit.ie (193.1.57.233)

chuck fitzgerald

From: Cavan,Ireland

Ah yes, the Band.....they made some of the most authentic music of the modern era.....one of the great American music groups.......up there with Duke Ellington's orchestra, the numerous Miles Davis groups and the Beach Boys. Well, since a few folks here are listing a tribute album here is my very own. 1. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page....."Chest Fever". 2. Ronnie Hawkins......"Rag Mamma Rag". 3. AC/DC........"Jemmima Surrender" 4. The Mavericks......."Rockin' Chair" 5. Spiritualised......"Stage Fright" 6. R.E.M.........."Bessie Smith" 7. Van Morrison......"Dont Ya Tell Henry" 8. Paul McCartney......"The Shape I'm In" 9. Mercury Rev........."Jawbone" 10. Radiohead........"Whispering Pines" 11. Beck........"Dont do it" 12. Leonard Cohen...."Acadian Driftwood" 13. Bob Dylan......"life Is A Carnival" 14. Rod Stewart......"Up On Cripple Creek" There, just a few selections for ya.......slan abhaile!!!!


Posted on Sun Feb 20 17:04:38 CET 2000 from user-33qt8ue.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.206)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Larry plays violin.


Posted on Sun Feb 20 17:02:58 CET 2000 from user-33qt8ue.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.206)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Larry Packer played on a number of songs at The Last Waltz, including Dixie (I seem to recall you can see him in the background on one of the shots in the movie) and Acadian Driftwood which unfortunately didn't make the cut. I believe he occasionally played with the original five during their last tour, appearing at least once on a boot.


Posted on Sun Feb 20 16:40:31 CET 2000 from pc180.molde.online.no (148.122.184.180)

Kristine Austad

From: Molde in Norway

Hallo all of you. I am a 18 year old girl from Molde in Norway and i just have to say that i love your music. I have seen the documentary and I have bought the record. I have also ordered tickets cause I know that you are coming to Molde under the jazz-festival. My question to you is if a friend of mine and me can meet you when you visit Molde. That would have been an honer!! I understand if you don`t want to but i had planned to surprise my friend, cause she is crazy about you to!! Hope to hear from you! Kind regards from Kristine in Molde


Posted on Sun Feb 20 10:36:25 CET 2000 from spider-wk074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.184)

Liz//Richard

From: The land of Freedom

We are alive and well, in Rochester, the truck Blew up on I- 90 almost spent the night in Amsterdam, NY ! Thanks for the loving souls that helped us......Woodstock was fun..... but, we Missed Levon and everything else......Go figure..Imagine that..but we JAMMED in the Hotel room.....and you folks should listen to the show on the net from Woodstock Radio.......its good.......so ok I'll be ciche' .........." Alive and well, home from Woodstock, Alive and safe in Rochester" ............THANK YOU all the helpers..Play on Keep Listening......


Posted on Sun Feb 20 06:53:28 CET 2000 from 1cust12.tnt1.macon.ga.da.uu.net (63.10.32.12)

Gary C. Weeks

From: Marietta, GA


Posted on Sun Feb 20 06:22:05 CET 2000 from spider-wk031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.161)

Dennis

From: Sadly it's too cloudy for the moon to show off the foot of snow here in Saugerties, N.Y. But it's a wonderful evening anyhow....

So this Wednesday Mr. Hudson is doing an evening thing here at Ulster's Community College with a gentleman named Larry Packer. If my memory serves me well, wasn't he a member of the Woodstock All Stars? Any historians have any background? ...and anyone that needs directions, please don't hesitate to get in touch....


Posted on Sun Feb 20 04:33:22 CET 2000 from spider-wj011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.21)

Dave Z

From: About To Go To Bed, MN

OK 2 more songs for tribute... RR singing Van's Old Old Woodstock, and Levon singing John Prine's Spanish Pipedream with Garth on accordian... By the way, I just ordered the Winter Woodstock CD thing... Thanks to those who recommended it...


Posted on Sun Feb 20 03:56:27 CET 2000 from spider-wl022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.27)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

For a tribute Band album, I'd like to see the following:

The Weight - Dylan, Van and Willie Nelson

Up On Cripple Creek - A slower version by Johnny Cash

Chest Fever - Counting Crows follow the Garth Intro

Smoke Signals - John Fogerty

It Makes No Difference - Arlo Guthrie or Tom Waits with a guitar solo by Prince

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - Joan Baez with RR on guitar


Posted on Sun Feb 20 02:40:05 CET 2000 from host-216-76-176-119.gso.bellsouth.net (216.76.176.119)

Sterling VanDerwerker

From: Corinth, NY , now Gso. NC
Home page

Great site. Inspired me to complete my collection of music. LEVON: Play in North Carolina! Just another whistle stop. thanks! Sterling


Posted on Sat Feb 19 23:18:55 CET 2000 from spider-tm054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.69)

Ellen

From: New York City

Seriously, this is one of THE FINEST band websites I've come across...comprehensive, well laid out, appealing to the eye & very very helpful lyricwise. So glad I was able to track it down. Thanks so much!


Posted on Sat Feb 19 22:24:52 CET 2000 from user-33qt932.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.98)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Please forgive the intrusion. I'm involved in a benefit that is to take place tomorrow (Sunday) at the Lions Den at Irving and Lincoln in Chicago. A good friend's husband died--leukemia at age 28--and we're raising money for an education fund for their 5 year old. Local acts like The Bad Examples, Dick Holliday, Betsy and the Boneshakers are joined by a few more widely known acts--Jeff Tweedy of Wilco, Michael McDermott, and (hopefully)Robbie Fulks--for a full day of music and prizes. $20 donation. 2pm-10pm. Anyone here makes it, please intro yourself as I'll be the musical emcee. Thanks.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 21:05:00 CET 2000 from spider-wi041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.36)

Lori

From: Chicago

It's a snow-covered 3-day weekend in Chicago...My side of town got about 11". The pine trees look spectacular. Now that I'm all dug out, decided this is the ideal time for a Band Weekend. So, I'm bringing out all the CD's, records, "Last Waltz" & anything else I can find. Continuous play from now until Monday night! Regards to all the Band fans out there.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 20:36:45 CET 2000 from spider-tl081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.211)

Long Distance Operator

From: Look out Cleveland, the storm is coming through

My nephew burst through my door as I was listening to The Brown Album today. Rag Mama Rag was playing, and a huge smile appeared on his young face. He's about two months shy of his second birthday, but he is extremely agile for his age. He climbed onto the queen-sized bed and began to jump about in time with the music. He was grinning from ear to ear. As the song faded out, he threw his hands up as if to say "What happened? We need MORE!". The grin re-appeared when TNTDODD started up. I just know this kid is going to grow up with alot of soul. I smiled as I watched him dance to my favorite Band. So much hope, so much promise, with seemingly limitless potential. A young life barely underway, as others inevitably expire. Soon, Rick was singing "Snow's gonna come and the frost gonna bite, my old car froze up last night. Ain't no reason to hang your head, I could wake up in the morning dead". My smile remained, even as tears ran down my face. Celebrating simultaneously one life well-lived, and another just beginning. A feast for thought. The Brown Album plays, my nephew continues to play along with it, and my mind races. Thanks to the great Rick Danko, and may God rest his amazing soul. The memories will linger on, but the good old days, they're all gone.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 19:23:03 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas,austin

carmen: good to hear from you, I was starting to miss you. to answer your post I'll go back to what Mr. Viney recollected, the suggestion that the Stones record a version of "Jemima Surrender". That idea knocked me out last summer and I'm still thinking about it. I can see Mick and Keith & co. just lettin go,as if it were written for them. (Who Knows, maybe it was?)

Its real hard for me to add anything beyond this though. I mostly listen to blues, (e.g. the dearly departed) but it might be interesting to do a fantasy Island recording to tribute both the Band and the ol' time greats.

what would Elvis cover, for example-(Which Elvis, for that matter?) Robert Johnson?, Muddy?, Clifton Chenier?, Hank?

interesting to have giants covering giants. what do y'all think?


Posted on Sat Feb 19 18:52:47 CET 2000 from du-tele3-096.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.96)

Peter viney

Mike: some interesting choices there. I suggest switching Bobby Boris Pickett to Young Blood" as a duet with Garth. Lord Sutch AND Crazy World of Arthur Brown? Definitely one for a live video, except that Lord Sutch is no longer with us. Arthur Brown was on a TV documentary the other night. I saw them both in the late 60s. Switch the New Vaudeville Band to ‘W.S. Walcott Medicine Show" and it might work seriously.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 18:34:59 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

From: Oregon (Beautiful day & I'm working...)

Here’s my tribute list (tongue in cheek, of course):

Tiny Tim: It Makes No Difference

Iggy Pop: The Moon Struck One

Ethel Merman: WS Walcott Medicine Show

Robert Goulet: Remedy

Johnny Ray: Katie’s Been Gone

Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention: Shoot Out in Chinatown

Mickey Rooney: Look Out Cleveland

The New Vaudeville Band: The Weight

We Five: Ain’t No More Cane (on the Brazos)

Lord Sutch: In a Station

The Crazy World of Arthur Brown: Stage Fright

The Surfaris: Sleeping

Bonus tracks:

Bobby “Boris” Pickett: I Shall Be Released

The “New” Christy Minstrels: Don’t Do It (Live version)

The McGuire Sisters/Liberace: Chest Fever

Have a great day everyone!


Posted on Sat Feb 19 14:29:57 CET 2000 from d100.as0.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.216.100)

MJD

From: Stevens Point, Wisconsin

*** Darn ***

I missed "The Last Waltz" which aired on Turner Classic Movies this week. Come to think of it... no better tribute then that. ; >))


Posted on Sat Feb 19 14:01:40 CET 2000 from du-tele3-122.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.122)

Peter Viney

I thoroughly enjoyed Crabgrass’s list, especially Puff Daddy on ‘Jawbone / Shoot out in Chinatown". What about Robbie Williams or Ricky Martin on "The Moon Struck One"? They might improve on the original as they’re more suited to the lyric. When you glance through band songs they are so different that cover artists don’t generally spring to mind. Can’t imagine anyone doing justice to King Harvest, but The Staples, Spooky Tooth and Aretha made a respectable stab at "The Weight." Diana Ross and Jackie DeShannon less so. Robbie added some interesting voices at Seville (Bruce Hornsby, Ivan Neville), as did Ringo Starr’s All star Band, but had the advantage of Rick & Levon on board. Bruce Springsteen once had a decent attempt at "Up On Cripple Creek" but was duetting with Levon Helm. Bruce Hornsby specializes in Band covers. TheJerry Garcia Band also had a good attempt.

Last time we played the cover versions game, someone suggested "Jemima Surrender" as perfect for The Rolling Stones, which was an inspired pairing. This time round, Dave’s idea of Paul McCartney on "Stage fright" wins my vote. Paul could do it justice . My serious choices would be Taj Mahal on "Rag Mama Rag", preferably with the 1971 tuba band. Then Ry Cooder on ‘Rockin’ Chair". Johnny Cash on "Long Black Veil." Daniel Lanois on "Acadian Driftwood." Van Morrison on a 14 minute version of "The Rumor" as the lyrics should inspire him. I can imagine the semi-spoken asides, "You know what I’m talking about … the critics. They really don’t know me well. It’s all f***ing rumours. It’s not supposed to be f***ing analysed. It’s not all f***ing sweetness and light. Who do they think they are … etc." He’d have to go into a medley of old rock and soul songs at the end.

Either Lambchop or Prefab Sprout on "Whispering Pines." Aaron Neville for any of Richard’s star turns (Lonesome Suzie? Sleeping? In a Station?) + "It Makes No difference." The Hooters could have a go at many different songs. Cyndi Lauper should be invited.

MJD: I don’t see any artists singing along to Band tracks, but completely new versions. I agree with you in principle. Any Neil Young, Curtis Mayfield or Marvin Gaye compilation is way more interesting than recent tribute albums. The exceptions are the House of Blues tribute series. The Rolling Stones tribute "Paint It Blue" is a great album in its own right. The Dylan tribute "Tangled Up in Blues" has the Band on "One too Many Mornings" and also works. Do you reckon these tributes actually sell in large numbers? They’re always in a corner of the store, and while they stay in print for a few years, I wouldn’t think they’re financially successful enterprises.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 13:41:46 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-20-116.termserv.net (208.20.67.116)

Diamond Lil

From: up to my knees and still snowing

MJD: Thanks for your input. I should probably clarify what I was trying to say. I do like the idea of a tribute album, especially if folks like Tom Pacheco, Jules Shear, and other friends of The Band were involved in it. (ok..I did throw in Adam Duritz but hey..I love his voice :-) Noone.._noone_ could do the tunes that we love so much _better_ than the original voices...but it certainly would be a nice gesture if an album was done.

As far as a "duet" with the original voices, I'd love to hear _someone_ do that...certainly not an entire album of it though! I just wanted to clarify that. I know it would really touch me if I was listening to a tribute album and suddenly heard Rick or Richard's voice combined with another. Thanks for listening.

Crabgrass: Thanks for the laugh. My 10 year old daughter read your post and asked if I would buy her that album :-)


Posted on Sat Feb 19 07:56:30 CET 2000 from d248.as1.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.216.250)

MJD

From: Stevens Point , Wisconsin

LiL...

I may have to respectfully disagree with you on a tribute album where great stars sing along with original tracks cut by the band...

I prefer the type of tribute where todays musician's decide they would like to record a Band song... on their own album..

That's tribute enough. ; >\

I've never been a big fan of stars pulling together to do a tribute album... generally... it's second rate stuff... quick sell and forgotten.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 07:53:00 CET 2000 from pm451-30.dialip.mich.net (198.110.20.88)

twilight

Crabgrass - I was roaring at your list - excellent choices! My only change would be to make sure Cher got in on a duet. Honestly - I love the idea of a band tribute - but i just can't imagine the songs in anybody else's hands.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 07:26:20 CET 2000 from 1cust117.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.117)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Wow!! A Band Tribute Album! Here are my picks:

1. Tears of Rage - Britney Spears

2. Look Out Cleveland - Neil Diamond

3. Up On Cripple Creek - Spice Girls

4. Chest Fever - Boy George

5. Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - Whitney Houston

6. King Harvest (Has Surely Come) - Back Street Boys

7. It Makes No Difference - Iggy Pop

8. Jawbone/Shootout In Chinatown (rap medley) - Puff Daddy

9. Rockin' Chair - Hanson

10. The Weight - Ricky Martin

On second thought - maybe I don't need to hear anyone but The Band do Band songs.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 04:49:32 CET 2000 from proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.143)

Scott

Jim Weider & The Honky Tonk Gurus cd "Bigfoot". Been listening to this all week. Inspired by last weeks show in Piermont. It truly is a great cd. Talent oozes from this album. Particularly the songs "Bigfoot" and "Many Rivers to Cross" which open and close the cd. Emotion combined with chops just does not get any better then this....Levon sure knows how to pick em'.....


Posted on Sat Feb 19 04:01:41 CET 2000 from h-204-189-92-113.csinet.net (204.189.92.113)

matt helms

From: new buffalo mi

The web site looks great but doesnt match up to the band. just wanted to say hi to everyone and wanted to say hi to levon.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 01:40:01 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-13-61.termserv.net (208.20.67.61)

Diamond Lil

The idea of a tribute album is a wonderful one, and there's something I'd really like to see done. Does anyone remember when Natalie Cole recorded the tune _Unforgettable_ "with" her dad...after he had passed away? How I'd love to hear a "duet" of 'Whispering Pines' with Richard and Ray Charles, or the pairing of Rick and Tom Pacheco (or Adam Duritz) on 'It makes no Difference'. What better tribute than to join the original voices?


Posted on Sat Feb 19 01:12:22 CET 2000 from 1cust192.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.192)

Dexy

RE: Who'd be good for Band covers. I still can't imagine why there hasn't yet been a Band Tribute Album, with various folks covering the songs. Would be nice, of course, if Levon, Garth, Robbie, et.al., joined in (solo if not together...). I'd imagine Elvis Costello, The Wallflowers, Lucinda, Bob, Eric, Harrison&Ringo, Emmylou&Linda, Mavericks, Petty....


Posted on Sat Feb 19 00:49:56 CET 2000 from spider-to077.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.35)

Linda

From: N.Y.

I enjoy listening to new music as well as the classics. A cover of The Band's "Life Is A Carnival' done by Billy Joel would sound full and vibrant. Annie Lenox singing "It Makes No Difference' I could definately hear. She has a voice that hits the spirit and sole as well as Rick does.. did.His vocals will always be alive as long as we play them. I'll have to think more about the question.


Posted on Sat Feb 19 00:31:17 CET 2000 from 56k-la-00-35.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.50)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Lee Vining, Ca.

Los Lobos is a great choice Scott. I've heard them do a cover of the Dead's "Bertha",and lead guitarist David Hildalgo is a really good vocalist. I've racked my brain tryin' to come up with someone that could do justice to any of Rick's vocals but there just isn't anyone that can deliver that. I guess Paul McCartney might be able to do an O.K. version of say "Stagefright" or "It Makes No Difference". Here's a for sure nailed-down version of a 90's Band cover of The Band's cover; Dicky Betts singing and ABB playing "Blues Stay Away From Me".


Posted on Fri Feb 18 23:34:43 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Scott

Fun question ! What group would I like to see do an official cover of a Band song ? 1) Los Lobos; Have to pick more than 1 song - Don't Wait, Caledonia Mission, Remedy, Caves of Jericho, Once Upon A Time, and Jawbone...... They have the musical chops, heart, vocal abilities and are truly a "band". They are on the top of my "A" list


Posted on Fri Feb 18 23:14:37 CET 2000 from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.52)

Band Fan

From: New Jersey

This truly is a well put together site. Thanks Jan. It also is the internet , which means freedom of speech and thoughts or lack of. No matter the rudeness or intent. I don't think the internet will survive with restrictions. If it were.. it would take all the fun away. The intelligent ones just ignore any rude posts and continue on their way. That is the adult thing to do. The more replies , the more one thrives. Hoping this is the last blast of winter let's all listen to some music. which is what brought us all here in the first place.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 23:06:07 CET 2000 from 16.philadelphia-13-14rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.213.16)

carmen

From: pa

Someone mentioned Springsteen and it got me thinking about his last release "TRACKS". This was a release of what can be called castaways. Some songs are very good some not so good. My question is this? Does a body of BAND work like this exist? I can't imangine everysong they ever cut was officially released. I know a project called "WORKS" was mentioned in Across The Great Divide, however don't know anything about it.

Also any news on the possibility of a Rick Danko release?

Things have been kinda slow in the GB, so how about another question. What Group or Artist would you like to see do an official cover of what BAND(any version or solo)song?


Posted on Fri Feb 18 22:44:54 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-11-59.termserv.net (208.20.67.59)

Diamond Lil

Kind of like a picture postcard of the snowy variety here in Upstate New York today. The view from my window here is almost peaceful, as the snow blankets the trees in the woods and the stream moves gently through my yard...

Now of course, tomorrow morning when I fall on my face in a foot of the cold, white stuff and find that my car is plowed in..well..I may just change my attitude just a little :-)

I wanted to mention that I was _very_ touched by the 'collage' photo of Elliot Landy's Band photo combined with the photo of Rick from Ringo's All-Starrs. I first want to thank John Donabie for thinking of me, and then Jan..for posting the photo. For those of you who haven't seen it..go to the "What's New" section..I promise that this photo will take your breath away.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 22:22:25 CET 2000 from 1cust176.tnt6.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.11.190.176)

Damon Z

From: The Island

Jane - Thanx for the info. I'm gonna drive up to Woodstock soon and bring a big bag of my dirty old tie-dyes and jeans to wash at Dylan's old laundromat. (And when I get back home I'm gonna decorate my finished basement with them!!) BTW - thanks to all the serious Band fans for criticizing Jane's obviously humorous post. I too, agree that the postings in the GB should reflect a more somber and scholarly tone. Maybe Jan should post a note regarding this on the "Warning" page.

Regarding the Grammy's - the categories are a bunch of bullcrap! A year or two back Richard Thompson's album "you, me, us?" was nominated for a Grammy in the "Folk" category. Unfortunately, it was beat out by "folkie" Bruce Springsteen's "Tom Joad" album. The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame is also a misnomer and bunch of bullcrap since every kind of music under the sun is included in it. And despite overwhelming opinion here in the GB I don't consider The Band's music to be "Rock'n'Roll" in any manner, shape, or form. (Yeah, I know about "MM" and their early career as a "bar band.")


Posted on Fri Feb 18 21:26:04 CET 2000 from client-151-198-146-42.bellatlantic.net (151.198.146.42)

Bumbles

From: On High

DAVID POWELL: “Down in the Alley” is certainly the standout on Ronnie Hawkins’ 1970 album (it was also released as a single), but that R&B classic---written, like so many others, by the legendary Jesse Stone---was originally recorded by, and remains associated with, the Clovers, not Solomon Burke.

Don’t know if he recorded the song earlier or if it’s the Cotillion track (I’m not a Hawkins fan), but Rhino’s Hawkins & the Hawks “best of” includes a version of “Down in the Alley.” Hawkins also released a live version on the embarrassing “Let It Rock” set, which includes some live cuts from the 90s Band lineup.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 20:25:40 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

It has been mentioned before, but I'm going to mention it again. For the first time ever, the soundtrack to Coal Miner's Daughter has been released on compact disc.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 19:50:20 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Ronnie Hawkins released a solo album on the Cotillion / Atlantic label in 1970 that was recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio. The Hawk was backed by the Muscle Shoals crew consisting of Jimmy Johnson, Roger Hawkins, David Hood, Barry Beckett and the late greats Duane Allman & Eddie Hinton. King Biscuit Boy and Scott Cushnie also appeared on the album. The legendary Jerry Wexler and Tom Dowd produced the sessions.

The self-titled album featured a mixture of Gordon Lightfoot and Dylan folk-style covers along with rockers like Chuck Berry's "Forty Days" and Carl Perkins's "Matchbox." In my opinion the best cut on the album is the Hawk's playfully lascivious version of Solomon Burke's "Down In The Alley" that features Duane's scorching bottleneck guitar.

"Down In The Alley" got a lot of airplay on Atlanta's FM album-rock stations at the time it was released due to Duane's appearance. I remember rushing out to buy the album when it first came out but I was rather disappointed with the folky type songs. I still have the LP (in fairly good condition) and I don't think I've ever seen it released on CD.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 19:35:31 CET 2000 from spider-tn071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.76)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Ikka, that was a nice thig you did, the guy asked a legitimate question and didn't deserve to be patronized.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 19:31:21 CET 2000 from spider-tn071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.76)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Just finished reading an article in Discoveries magazine. Discoveries is a good music/memorabilia and collecting vinyl worshipping mag very similair to the better known Goldmine mag. In an interview with Blair Jackson, an unabashed Deadhead who wrote the latest Garcia bio, a quote stood out: regarding Garcia's reluctant acceptance of being at the forefront of that whole musical/social Dead community Jackson says"He didn't do it for personal glory, he was self-effacing and self-depreciating about it,and just his sheer talent and the force of his personality allowed him to be the kind of person who other people wanted to be near and listen to. People wanted to be in the same room as Garcia because it was a good place to be". This quote was also in context to Garcia's "humble beginnings". I couldn't help but be reminded of our one and only Rick Danko, and how the same words would describe him and his mission to "just make good music" and "clean up the neighborhood".


Posted on Fri Feb 18 19:20:14 CET 2000 from proxy-627.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.187)

Scott

Directions to leave this guestbook. Make a right on RUDE st. Travel about 1 mile to NASTY Lane. Then turn left onto DISCOURTEOUS Blvd. At the bottom of the hill Jane will be waiting for you.... A sincere question, deserves a sincere reply.....


Posted on Fri Feb 18 18:51:10 CET 2000 from spider-tq071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.76)

Tom Izzo

From: waterbury ct

Sitting here watching the snow come down. Popped in Tom Pacheco's "Woodstock Winter" in celebration. Our boys are amazing on this disk. Garth's haunting keyboards and sax on "Four Angels" Jim's guitar throughout. Rick's bass (also some of his best harmonys) Levon's solid wood tone percussion. This is one of my favorite disks from the 90's. excellent topical songwriting and heartfelt vocals. Nice job Tom! Peace: Tom Izzo. PS: Tom Waits has been nominated for a grammy for "Mule Variations" in the Best Contempary Folk Album" Last Time he won (Bone Machine) was in the Best Alternitive catagory.go figure. Good luck Mr Waits


Posted on Fri Feb 18 18:01:22 CET 2000 from spider-th034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.59)

butch

From: ulster county, n.y.

friends, just a reminder,,, there will be NO Levon Helm or Garth Hudson @ this weeks wednesday night @ Joyous Lake, Blues Night,,, Levon's band, the Barn Burners,,, with amy helm, will be playing as usual, ( as The Eldorado Kings, ) L.H. & I will be having an alabama getaway & Prof. GARTH HUDSON, is doing an artist - in - residence with mr. Larry Packer, @ Ulster College,, here in NY,, SHOWS RETURN MARCH 1st,,,,,HOT & BLUESY as before,,, Big Thanks to all who have come out & supported us,,, We Do Appreciate everyone,,, & to our jersey bros & sis's >>> you know who you are,, cmon back & bring elvis,,, ya'll were missed,,, SEE Ya Then,,, STAY STRONG >>>> butch


Posted on Fri Feb 18 17:37:50 CET 2000 from cm105.gmit.ie (193.1.57.236)

Obi-Wan Kenobi

From: Galway, Ireland

Just a quick note to say how much I marvel at the great sound Levon Helm got from his drum kit. With songs like The Weight and King Harvest his drums sound really thick.....almost like a multitude of textures built up to give a thickening sound. Add this to the fact that the first and second albums were recorded on 4 and 8 track respectively,his task must have been made difficult to achieve those sounds....no matter how good a drummer is, if something is recorded badly...it will sound awful. So Helm must have really done something unique to achieve that drum sound especially on Big Pink. I guess the uniqueness came simply in the way he played. Also, i would just like to say that i think Robertson as a guitar player is one of the best I have ever heard.....listen to the middle section on Tell Me Momma.....now thats what a telecaster was made for!!!!


Posted on Fri Feb 18 17:19:28 CET 2000 from du125-0.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.0.125)

Ilkka

From: Serious Countries
Home page

TO JOHN!
There are some people who take this site as a joke, like Jane here;-) Don't worry, John, I'll give a serious answer to a serious question: Go to the guestbook archives. February 7th and 8th 1999, a guy named Reinhard posted the directions to Big Pink. I'll give you this information with one condition - you will post your experiences here in this very serious guestbook, right?


Posted on Fri Feb 18 16:05:32 CET 2000 from spider-wi042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.37)

Jane

From: Earth .for now.

Dear John , go to Woodstock. Make a left Go down three miles to the gas station. Make a right. Go down the hill. At the bottom Levon will be waiting. He'll take you to "Big Pink. After touring Woodstock and Bob Dylan's old laundromat you'll be treated to the latest Woodstock joke.. "How do do get to Woodstock." The answer , ... practice , practice, practice ." .. good-luck John. Any further directions required feel free to ask. Peace love and understanding.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 04:39:56 CET 2000 from xeros-1-6.mdm.mke.execpc.com (169.207.65.134)

John

From: Milwaukee

I am going to be in the Woodstock area for an upcoming weekend. Does Levon or Garth play shows other than Wednesday nights? Anyone ever heard what became of the sale of Big Pink, I thought I heard a while back that a fan bought it and was going to open it up to visitors. Is this true and does anyone have directions? Any help would be greatly appreciated. My trip would not be complete without a visit to the house.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 04:24:11 CET 2000 from spider-wn013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.153)

Bumbles

From: On High

FAN FROM GREECE: On my copy of Live at O'Toole's, the track mislabeled "Crazy Mama" is in fact Rick & Richard's take on bluesman Jimmy Reed's "Honest I Do."


Posted on Fri Feb 18 01:48:30 CET 2000 from spider-we081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.56)

Bob Wardlaw

From: Louisiana

Hey everybody. I just got back from a little "unplugged" show at my high school. To buddies and I did a pretty good acoustic version "The Weight," and the crowd loved it. Nobody really knew it until the first chorus, but then they really got into it. Most kids my age usually say "what band?" so it was good to see them recognize it. Just wanted to let everybody know that the Band lives for at least one more generation.


Posted on Fri Feb 18 01:29:42 CET 2000 from dialup-355.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.99)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Good Evenin'!!! Here's one for y'all.......Did The Band EVER play "Katies Been Gone" live?.......Did anyone here ever SEE The Band or Richard sing and play it live? Has anyone else ever recorded it?.......Has anyone out there ever tried to play it?.....it's a real hard one to sing....I know.....I sing it at gigs.....one night this woman I know here in Cork, Katie (natch) was giving me hard time about a song I had just sung at a Monday night bar gig I's playing....nothin' nasty, but vocal enuff.....she's actually an old friend....anyway, I launched into "Katie's Been Gone" immediately.....by the time I finished, she had tears rolling down her cheeks.....and then this GUY started giving me shit about making her cry!!......You can't win, can ya? Well, she apologised for razzin' on me and usually asks me to sing it when she's at my gigs these days.....So, maybe you CAN win..I dunno......What a great song......oh yeah.....Is Ringo on the cover of "The Basement Tapes" and if he is....which one is he?........Good night, Y'all!!!.......HANK


Posted on Fri Feb 18 01:10:41 CET 2000 from ip203100.uvm.edu (132.198.203.100)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vermont

Hi all. Just watched my new DVD: The Band: Live at New Orleans Jazz Fest. Special ordered it from Borders. A typical Band lunatic! I don't even own a DVD player. I had to go to the University of Vermont Library and pose as a student. I borrowed an ID. Rick ends the performance with a cut-in interview, saying, "Most people would like to get a few years older and retire. I see things different. I want to get a few years older and see myself playing music on a new horizon." Levon gave a spirited performance. I especially liked Blind Willie McTell, Rag Mama Rag (with levon on mandolin), It Makes no Difference. The Weight was nice, too. I wish it was offered on VHS. But, the good old boys, well, they are still good old boys, just on DVD. Good, old and boys. Good night. Bob


Posted on Thu Feb 17 21:45:33 CET 2000 from sdn-ar-003nysyrap058.dialsprint.net (63.178.89.42)

jim virga

Anyone know where i can get a copy of the Complete Last Waltz? Also any other live show of good quality. I am Especially interested in Richard stuff. Thanks.


Posted on Thu Feb 17 21:34:45 CET 2000 from vdp200.ath04.cas.hol.gr (195.97.7.201)

a fan from Greece

From: Athens

hi everyone, just recieved a CD copy of "Rick Danko and Richard Manuel: Live at O'Tooles Tavern" from someone on Ebay. Do any of you have it? on the song list, track 14 is supposed to be Crazy Mama, .....but its not. Must be a mistake. Does anyone know the correct title of the song on track 14? its not on any of the Band albums I have. Great song, I'm glad I got to hear it. thanks and bye y'all.


Posted on Thu Feb 17 20:56:15 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Long Distance Operator: You're correct about the Booth book that I cited. The copy I have was printed under the title "Dance With The Devil" and I understand that it's about to be reprinted under the title you mentioned. Booth, who hails from down in South Georgia, traveled with the Stones on the '69 tour and pretty much had unlimited access. Since he spent a lot of time hanging out with Keith, he's lucky he survived to write about the experience.

Did anyone else catch or tape the TCM network's broadcast of "The Last Waltz" early this morning? I didn't have a chance to go back and look at the whole tape I made but the segment I saw looked like it was taken from a good clean print of the film. I not sure what the exact widescreen aspect was but it wasn't severely letterboxed. When I have a chance I'll have to compare it with the "pan & scan" videotape copy I've had for years.


Posted on Thu Feb 17 20:24:26 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

David Powell, RE: Muscle Shoals... Not to nitpick, but Tony Sanchez wrote "Up And Down With The Rolling Stones", a book whose credibility is highly questioned. Stanley Booth wrote a much better tome entitled "The TRUE Adventures Of The Rolling Stones", which is probably the source you intended to mention.


Posted on Thu Feb 17 18:35:41 CET 2000 from proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.53)

jhwygirl

From: the land of lots of white stuff

Re: Dennis from Ulster County

Thank-you for your weekly reports on Levon and Garth and the rest of the Barnburner's shows. This last installment was especially uplifting. Hitting the road?! YEEEEHAWWWWW!!!! I am sure I speak for many when I say I can hardly wait.

One favor to ask from you, my good friend Dennis. Next Wednesday, can you whisper, over and over again......loud enough so the big L and lil' A can hear, "Jackson Hole, Jackson Hole" ???? Thanks for the help, good friend. :-)


Posted on Thu Feb 17 17:16:58 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

MUSCLE SHOALS REVISITED

Levon recorded several of the tracks on his self-titled 1978 album at Muscle Shoals Sound studio in Sheffield, Alabama. Although produced by the legendary Duck Dunn and featuring an all star group of musicians from both Muscle Shoals & Memphis, the sessions produced mixed results. Levon's cover of Allen Toussaint's "Play Something Sweet" and the Cate Brothers's "Standing On A Mountain Top" are among the highlights.

Producer Rick Hall and his Fame studio are credited with putting the Muscle Shoals area on the map as a recording center. Hall had a keen ear for picking songs and musicians, key ingredients in the formula for what became known as the Muscle Shoals sound. A "laid-back" approach to recording, utilizing "head arrangements" rather than charts, was a luxury afforded by the talented musicians who could play any type of music, whether it be country, r&b, rock or pop. The first big hit for Hall & the Fame studio was Arthur Alexander's "You Better Move On." This song would become a cross-over hit and would later be covered by the Rolling Stones. The Beatles would also record covers of several of Alexander's other songs including "Anna."

Hall was not known for his generosity, however, when it came to compensating his session musicians. As a result, many of them would leave for greener pastures. His first rhythm section, consisting of David Briggs, Jerry Carrigan and Nobert Putnam, would go on to more lucrative session work in Nashville. In 1969, the second great rhythm section, Jimmy Johnson, Roger Hawkins and David Hood, left to start their own studio, using the name Muscle Shoals Sound, located at 3614 Jackson Highway in near-by Sheffield.

The Rolling Stones toured America in 1969, delighting fans with their new line-up featuring guitarist Mick Taylor, who replaced Brian Jones. The tour, however, would end on a tragic note at Altamont. The Stones's work visas didn't allow them to record in American studios, but during the tour they secretly recorded sessions at Muscle Shoals Sound. Two songs from those sessions, "Brown Sugar" and "Wild Horses", would turn up on their "Sticky Fingers" album. Jimmy Johnson engineered those sessions and fine piano player from Memphis, Jim Dickinson, sat in on "Wild Horses".

(Peter Guralnick's "Sweet Soul Music" and Stanley Booth's "Up and Down with the Rolling Stones" provided me with source material about Muscle Shoals.)


Posted on Thu Feb 17 07:11:43 CET 2000 from spider-we063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.48)

Dennis

From: Oh what a beautiful winter's evening here in Ulster County, New York

Just back from this evening's Barn Burner's show at Woodstock's Joyous Lake. Ladies and Gentlemen, what a show: no "Band" songs, just blues. Once again, neither Lee nor Garth said a word... I've had the wonderful pleasure of seeing hundreds of events the gentlemen have performed, and I must say, I've never witnessed Mr's Helm and Hudson smiling wider smiles than I witnessed this evening. Lee's just the drummer in the back row, Garth played acordian, leaving the piano 'n sax home. The audience was sparse...wish ALL of you could have been there. The show was very interesting. As these two R 'n R Hall of Famers took the stage, there were twenty eight people in the audience. It was as though your pals stopped by and played in your living room: You want to say hello? You want a picture? Woodstock was the place to be tonight. I believe this was the 8th of the series. Word in the audience as kind'a sad: one day soon, this band (featuring Pat O'Shea on guitar) will be be "discovered," this ensemble will hit the road, and this very historical series of events will end. Until then, next date's Wednesday, March first. If anyone needs directions or encouragement to show up, please don't hesitate to get in touch....


Posted on Thu Feb 17 04:02:18 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-163.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.163)

Misty

From: kentucky, usa

Mr. Peter Viney, a word of thanks for the information about the Barney Hoskyns article in the February issue of Mojo. After a valiant search, I found it at the back of the newstand..Anyway, as a true Rick Danko fan, I was not appalled by the article in any way..I loved Rick and his singing from the beginning to the end. Sometimes the truth has a razor sharp edge to it, that we don't necessary want to come in contact with. Some things can't be denied. All I know is that when I met Rick Danko, he was an utter gentleman, both on stage and off. And even at age 56, he still could rock the house, and he blew us all away. We all loved him, and he is greatly missed. That is the heart of the matter. peace, mid


Posted on Thu Feb 17 03:11:40 CET 2000 from myalla0.connect.com.au (210.8.232.3)

bill mcmartin

From: australia

great site. good to see other people in the world have the sense to listen to classic music.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 21:50:58 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Eric Andersen has a series of tour dates across the U.S. over the next few months, from the Northeast and Midwest to a few scattered venues in the South & West, & even a show in Toronto -- too many dates to list here, but check out http://www.ericandersen.com/page3.htm to see if he's playing near you. No need to ramble on about how talented a writer and musician he is; his work (solo, and with Rick) really speaks for itself. Like so many of the musicians we on this site follow, he is playing fairly small places, and has a lower profile than he deserves (though, hopefully, his upcoming album with Lou Reed will change that to some extent) -- hope anyone who enjoys his music will go see him if they can.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 21:50:24 CET 2000 from 24-29-153-69.nyc.rr.com (24.29.153.69)

Rick Congress

From: hunger
Home page

actually, I'm trying to find David Garth about getting permission to use a photo he took of Yank Rachell and other musicians (it was part of an article about Doc Watson) at the 1964 Newport festival. I only have an old yellowing page from an unidentified magazine (I think it may be Frets) that Yank gave me before he died. Any one know anything that could help? The picture is for a book I've written about Yank & which will be published by the Univ. of Miss press. thanks, Rick Congress


Posted on Wed Feb 16 21:47:22 CET 2000 from (12.4.240.99)

Laurin

BEWARE OF DOING BUSINESS WITH ROBERT AT YOURSONGS!!! I see that Robert at Yoursongs has posted another note advertising that he has "Rare" Band related items. My suggestion to everyone here is "Pass". I did some business with Robert several years ago. I ordered from him a Richard Manuel poster and a scrapbook of Band Related articles. I sent him a check in early February and it cleared about 10 days later. My shipment did not arrive until September and that was only after I contacted the postmaster in his area. Then, what he sent me was junk. The "Richard Manuel poster" was nothing more than the picture that accompanied the Rolling Stone magazine report of his suicide, blown up on Kodak paper. The "scrapbook" was not even original material, but, photocopies of articles. Be very wary of this man.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 21:08:58 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

From: lower New England

Robert Martin of Your Songs, I remember you. You’re the guy that almost ripped me off of $65 in merchandise. I can attest to the fact that I called and wrote to the Better Business Bureau of Des Moines, Iowa., in which case they couldn’t find anything on you. I wonder why? No phone number available, and no street address, only a P.O. Box number. I wonder if you still take half a year (if you’re not hounded) to send people their paid purchases. As of ‘96 you had approximately eight complaints as the B.B.B. stated to me over the phone. At least one other Band fan has been cheated by Mr. Martin and sadly he never received his items.

Best bet is to get items from E-bay. At least they keep track of who is not dealing the right way or Goldmine magazine.

Just be warned everybody.

AHROOO!!


Posted on Wed Feb 16 20:50:24 CET 2000 from dialup-284.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.28)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Hey There, folks!! Howzit goin'? Well, I'm back home after ten gigs in Scandanavia.......three in Oslo and seven in Stockholm......I got the call to fill in for a guitarist/ singer who fell ill and could'nt play the gigs....I had to play with guys I never played w/ before.....to make a long story short...one of the gigs was on a boat outta Stockholm called "The Dancing Queen" (of course!)....anyhow, a Swedish muscian on the boat could'nt believe it when we played "Stagefright' and "It Makes No Difference" and sent the drummer I was playing with (an Irish guy who lives in Sweden) a copy of TLW w/ a whole buncha other stuff like the Sat. Nite Live 3 song appearance from 1976 (Brilliant!!) and a buncha stuff from when Ringo had Levon and Rick in his All-Starr Band...which we watched last Monday night........I had'nt seen TLW for a while, and forgot how much of the songs were edited.....any news of a full concert movie of TLW? Well, it's good to be back on-line saying hello to Valerie and Vivian....I'm going back to Northern Europe for my own tour next week...but until then I'll be checking in here to chew the fat and see what's been goin' on.....Y'all take care now......HANK


Posted on Wed Feb 16 19:30:38 CET 2000 from host8.pm4.laurel.us.net (198.240.94.8)

mattk

First, getting RR to perform for much of anything is a pipe dream. A good pipe dream, but a pipe dream non-the-less. For obvious and well-documented reasons, he does not like to tour, and he chooses his performances very carefully (R&R HOF, Seville "guitar legends," Native American Music Awards in '98). In short, I don't think he "books gigs," per se, but chooses to play at certain events that he thinks he'd enjoy, either because he gets to hang with friends or because it's a special occassion on a very personal level.

That said, and with your expectations soundly dampened, historically, the best bet for contacting RR is via the Village Recorder in Los Angeles, where he does most of his recording work. Folks who've sent letters there will usually get a short personal response in the form of an autograph or a card from RR himself. Not sure if you'd have any luck getting his interest about performing this way, but I'm not sure how you'd do that anyway. Here's the Village Recorder info:

Robbie Roberston
c/o The Village
1616 Butler Avenue
West Los Angeles, CA 90025

Matt


Posted on Wed Feb 16 17:25:21 CET 2000 from spider-we064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.49)

Beth R.

From: work :(

Not mocking you in any way Jack, but if anyone knows how to get in contact with Robbie Robertson, pass it along to me too! :) --Beth


Posted on Wed Feb 16 16:47:26 CET 2000 from huron.esf.edu (149.119.1.16)

Jack Manno

From: Syracuse

Does anyone have contact information for booking a concert with Robbie Robertson? If so please email me at jpmanno@mailbox.syr.edu


Posted on Wed Feb 16 16:38:34 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

In my opinion, Peter Guralnick is the finest writer around today on the subject of music and its cultural influences. His writing combines the scholarship of extensive research with a vivid eye for detail that breathes life into his subjects. The second volume of his incredible biography of Elvis Presley, "Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley", has just been published in paperback by Back Bay / Little, Brown and Co. The same publisher has also just reprinted a paperback edition of his 1986 book, "Sweet Soul Music / Rhythm and Blues and the Southern Dream of Freedom." This history of soul music was the last installment of Mr. Guralnick's trilogy following his earlier two books, "Feel Like Going Home" and "Lost Highway", which covered the blues and rockabilly/country music.

As Butch Dener informed us the other day in the guestbook, Levon is headed to Muscle Shoals, Alabama for some recording sessions. Mr. Guralnick explains in "Sweet Soul Music", that Muscle Shoals, with its excellent musicians and recording facilities, formed "the Southern soul triangle" along with Memphis, Tennessee and Macon, Georgia. The Muscle Shoals area is actually formed by four small towns that lie along the Tennessee River, Florence, Sheffield, Tuscumbia, and Muscle Shoals itself. Unlike other major centers for recording, such as New York, Los Angeles and Chicago, Muscle Shoals has always offered something more than just fine area musicians and songwriters to work with. Its Southern small town, laid-back atmosphere, with little outside distractions, seems to infuse the music recorded there. This helps explain why, after Muscle Shoals established itself as a mecca for soul music, other artists from different musical backgrounds began recording there also.

The list of musicians and figures who helped put Muscle Shoals on the map reads like a who's who in American music. Rick Hall, Quin Ivy, Billy Sherrill, Donnie Fritts, Dan Penn, Spooner Oldham, David Briggs, Nobert Putnam, Jerry Carrigan, David Hood, Roger Hawkins, Jimmy Johnson, Eddie Hinton and Duane Allman, just to name a few.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 16:28:20 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: not Elba

Once upon a time... I was a "Band Guestbook Regular" on an almost daily basis. Well, I stopped being one, because everything has been said before, even more than once, in this perpetuum mobile. BTW I wouldn't call this an "exile", since I'm not Napoleon. Anyway, today I'm dropping by to tell the whole world that my copy of Breeze Hill finally arrived today. Rejoice! A wonderful record by a wonderful man. Rejoice again! And many thanx to Lee, out there in Manchester UK.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 03:49:51 CET 2000 from spider-to054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.69)

Dennis

From: Gosh, the moon 'n snow are just beautiful here in Quarryville (West Saugerties), New York

Butch's post: ...Wednesday night, Joyous Lake in Woodstock, ten bucks, Levon's Barn Burners, Al Kooper, Garth(?) Got to see the Super Session show at the Filmore East. ...if you're close enough, hope to see ya there. Should ya need directions...please don't hesitate to get in touch. Once again, hope to see ya there!


Posted on Wed Feb 16 02:57:32 CET 2000 from spider-tl062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.202)

Long Distance Operator

From: The Usual

Dag: Didn't mean to forget you. I appreciate the link to "The Usual", although I'm afraid it didn't work. Noble effort, however. Thank you.


Posted on Wed Feb 16 02:51:15 CET 2000 from spider-tl062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.202)

Long Distance Operator

From: The Usual

David Powell and Bumbles: Thank you very much for the valuable information. At least now I'm armed with the knowledge, which makes me dangerous. Much appreciated!


Posted on Wed Feb 16 01:24:50 CET 2000 from 209-130-180-161.nas1.mon.gblx.net (209.130.180.161)

Lars Pedersen

From: Pine Bush, NY

DAMON Z: I respect your right to give a negative review of the Crowmatix- difference of opinion makes horse races. But although you were there and I wasn't, I still think the Crowmatix are pretty special. Maybe you caught them on a bad night.

I've seen the Crowmatix (including their new line-up) quite a few times and have always felt it was a very talented group of musicians. My only complaint is that they don't play enough Band music, but they sure as hell aren't going to play music just to suit me.....(I kinda wish they would, though).

Maybe they should use Jimmy Eppard on lead vocals more. There's more to him than just 300 pounds.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 23:00:00 CET 2000 from ti15a02-0022.dialup.online.no (130.67.112.150)

Dag

From: Norway
Home page

re: "The Usual"... above (Home page) is the link to an mp3 file of the song, 128kbps, 3MB


Posted on Tue Feb 15 22:42:43 CET 2000 from client-114-2.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.2)

Bumbles

From: All Around Town

LONG DISTANCE OPERATOR: “The Usual” did appear on the Hearts of Fire soundtrack, and good luck finding that. Easier to come by, and probably cheaper, is the invaluable bootleg Hard to Find: 21 Rare Tracks Revisited, which pirates Dylan cuts from a variety of sources, including various-artist albums and other soundtracks. It also includes “Night After Night” from Hearts of Fire, as well as the great title track from Band of the Hand and Dylan’s solo version of the Duprees’ “You Belong to Me” from the Natural Born Killers soundtrack. Only Band-related track is the Last Waltz “Baby Let Me Follow You Down”---hardly rare or hard to find.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 21:49:01 CET 2000 from relay2.wertep.com (194.44.90.130)

Rost

From: Ukraine

Hi ! Hope I'm first from Ukraine. Like your music & this site. Thanks. I shall be released !!


Posted on Tue Feb 15 21:26:46 CET 2000 from 2cust25.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.137.25)

Damon Z

From: The Island

Well, maybe I wasn't drunk enough at the recent Bottom Line appearance of the Crowmatix (after all it WAS the early show)but here's what I saw - a mediocre middle-aged hippie bar band that sounded pretty untogether musically on most numbers. Sure, there's some talent there - particularly Professor Louie. His piano playing is great but although he can sing his voice has no unique qualities that would make you want to hear it again. Garth certainly proved once again he is one of the most introverted performers ever to get on stage (not necessarily a criticism as I'd put Dylan in the same category). His keyboard solo was great but all too brief (glad he apparently did a longer one in the second set as someone previously mentioned) and he did do some very nice sax soloing. The band's best number by far was "This Wheel's on Fire" which was mostly instrumental but painfully missing Rick's vocal. The last time I'd seen Professor Louie was when he appeared with Rick at the same venue in the Summer of '97.

All in all though, I got more than my $15 worth as the headline act featuring Corky Laing with guest ace guitarists Ricky Byrd and Leslie West tore the half-filled house down. To the Bottom Line's credit both bands did sets which were quite long. But I wouldn't waste my time seeing the Crowmatix again.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 20:05:16 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Long Distance Operator: Dylan's version of John Hiatt's "The Usual" was on the soundtrack to the 1987 movie "Hearts of Fire" (Dylan was also in the cast of the film). I believe the soundtrack from the movie was available only as a European import CD. I think CBS may have released a single version in the U.S. Both are probably out of print. It's been on my list of things to look for in the used bins for years.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 19:39:52 CET 2000 from fw-rockland.mint.net (216.227.150.5)

Tom Jamrog

From: Maine

Regarding Levon's book, This Wheel's on Fire. I mentioned to a friend that I was rereading info on the Band, and that I recently got Levon's book through interlibrary loan at the local library. He asked me if I liked it, and I told him I really enjoyed it. He then sent me his copy that he had found in the discount bin at the local Barnes and Noble outlet . He had picked it up for $5.95. Perfect copy, dustjacket included. Sometimes things go my way...


Posted on Tue Feb 15 19:20:07 CET 2000 from spider-tk031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.186)

Long Distance Operator

From: Lowell

Dear Guestbook: Can anybody help me find Bob Dylan's version of the song "The Usual"? I heard it on the radio, once, about 15 years ago. I thought it was exceptional, but alas, I've never heard it again. I've asked many record store people and disc jockey types, and they look at me with that "What have you been smoking?" glare. I KNOW this song exists. I also know that the people who read this website the best people to ask. Can anybody help? Thanks! -LDO


Posted on Tue Feb 15 19:02:39 CET 2000 from sha5.sha.state.md.us (207.86.24.134)

Steve Pearce

From: Baltimore

I just watched "The Last Waltz" foe the umpteenth time last. It's true that is one of the greatest concerts films of all time. My regrets are that I was not at the concert at the Winterland on Thanksgiving night 1976 and thatThe Band can never get back together again. Rest in Peace Richard and Rick - you are truly missed.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 18:52:46 CET 2000 from du-tele3-045.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.45)

Peter Viney

Misty: The article is the February 2000 issue, which has Velvet Underground on the cover. I’ve seen Mojo in HMV and Virgin in the USA. They don’t have on-line articles, but it is the best rock magazine without any question. In the same issue, there’s an excellent very long article on The Velvet Underground by Thomas Anderson and David Fricke, and another on Big Star (erm, by Barney Hoskyns).This issue also answers some recent queries about Norman Greenbaum plus articles on Fred Neil, The La’s & cult heroes. The March issue has Oasis on the cover, but I suspect February will still be around in North America. If not call credit card hotline for back issues on (+44) 1858 438829. Back issues are £6.

Any thoughts on "Nixon" by Lambchop? The review in Uncut was an ecstactic two pages and "album of the month – one of the first great records of the new millenium." It seems very impressive indeed at first listen. It has shades of Mercury Rev, especially on the first track, "The Old Gold Shoe", which reminds me of "Holes" melodically. Reviewers note influences from country, Curtis Mayfield, Stax soul, "country noir" (whatever that is), the Velvet Underground, orchestral pop, psychedelia, Mercury Rev, the Flaming Lips, and Roxy Music. Which pretty much covers all bases. Funny, whenever country, soul and Americana elements are combined it is rare not to see a mention of The Band.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 16:39:49 CET 2000 from (208.20.92.240)

Stephen Minnich

From: Fort Plain, NY

This is a terrific website. I am brand new on the web,just learning to get around. Moved back up from Texas a year ago.Touring with the Sun Mountain Fiddler now.Congrats to friends Jim W. and Garth for being out there gigging.Hi to Regis,Willy and the old Rosendale gang.Warmest regards.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 15:55:54 CET 2000 from rac0cc-p31.fiai.net (208.23.90.39)

Robert

From: USA (Iowa)
Home page

Great Page on The Band!!! THE BAND Rare and Collectible items available. Please visit my web site, or drop me an e-mail for a complete list. Thanks! Web Site: http://members.aol.com/yoursongs5/home.html E-Mail: yoursong@mail.fiai.net


Posted on Tue Feb 15 15:50:56 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-222.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.222)

misty

From: kyusa

All of this hype over the Barney Hoskyns' article has only fueled my flame to want to read it...Where can I go online to view a copy of it?? I read Across the great divide, by Barney and his writing lacked something...Some pages were filled with nothing but song titles that should have been left as footnotes. It was enjoyable nonetheless. An my search continues (in vain) for a Levon Helm book--thanks to those who tried to help me, but I am not up to shelling out two hundred smackaroos for it...signed or not. I just basically wanted it for comparison to Hoskyns' book.. Thank you.. mid


Posted on Tue Feb 15 08:29:48 CET 2000 from spider-tk081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.211)

Liz

From: here...Levon too ?

Maybe this will include Rick Danko and Levon Helm's shows with The Ringo- "All -Starr Band: ? : The Cleopatra Label Group plans a late June release for the All-Starr Band's "Anthology & 10 Year Anniversary" box set. A three-CD chronicle of the project's variety of musicians. Ringo has a new line-up of the "All Starr's", set to tour in May.


Posted on Tue Feb 15 06:26:52 CET 2000 from spider-wb012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.152)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Peter: Thanks for the Prince perspective... It makes me wonder... I hope Prince delegated the task of refuting Barney's conjecture to one of his people... I dread the painful thought of a creative artist pausing to tell his own story when he could be doing the music... Yet I/public still want the ebay goods...

Maybe somebody can remind me when Levon's and Barney's books first appeared?... Didn't we have to wait til the 90's?... Maybe they shoulda been earlier?... When Larry Bird got hurt out of a season in '89 I think... he wrote a book... Maybe the Band shoulda wrote a book instead of a record for Capital, huh?... Prior to or after doing the movie that is... No disrespect intended...

If you are still with me... Here's my fantasy book by Robbie... I'm silly but half serious... Let's call it Rave On... with a forward by Levon... and an intro called After the Beginning of the End of the Beginning... and I want something different than the chrono type bio that can nicely fit into a behind the music type format later to be perverted for sweeps... I want collage... let's have Robbie does Kerouac or some other author I'm not smart enough to know... and of course we need separate chapters that each do a respectful but insightful incomplete character sketch of Levon, Rick, Richard and Garth... then I want bubble gum, something titled like Sacred Places where RR briefly touches on favorite arenas (opps Larry did that)... how about favorite live show sketches... I need RR conjecture here too because you're memory can't be that good after you do how many shows over 16 years... then I want serious words of wisdom from the guru on teamwork (title chapter Clubhouse; preach to me baby because I'm really a read in order to do kinda guy); mystery & charisma (telling me what's really cool, mad or relevant in Band Land)... a chapter on lyric meanings and witty quotes (more bubblelicious yet insightful; weave it)... a chapter titled Technical Crap where RR elaborates via favorite solos of other artists... followed by The Missing Cahoots Songs (i.e. his solo works - sorry that sounds negative... again no disrespect intended)... and I would like him to close with a chapter called Coulda Beens so I can empathize/feel the blues a little too as the book concludes... then for a ribbon to wrap it all up I want a business-like-spoof Conclusions & Recommendations chapter written by Van and Dylan, where they critique the book in angry sillyness... followed by Visions of Cody-like tape transcripts of 4% pantomime... Yeh, I'd buy that for $50...

Ones of these days I promise I am gonna make it to NY and sit in the back quietly sipping my Killian's Red... and just listen to the music... now I think I will go back to daydreaming about which parts of Barney's book are lies... because I am clueless... I like the Band so much I probably wouldn't have judged them poorly because of the lies anyway...


Posted on Tue Feb 15 05:28:55 CET 2000 from spider-tr031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.186)

butch dener

From: ulster county ny

to all you folks who have e-mailed me from this great web page,,,, asking for Levon & The Barn Burners schedule,,,, here goes, Wednesday the 16th of Feb,,, SHOW,,, 9 pm,,, maybe al kooper as an early guest,,, friday the 18th, Levon & I leave for Muscle Shoals Alabama for a recording session,,, NO SHOW on the 23rd, of Feb,,, SHOWS RETURN on the 1st of March possible appearances on IMUS in the MORNING's SIDS telethon, on the 2nd & 3rd of march,,, ok,, thanks for ALL of your support,,, & we will see you on wednesdays,,, stay strong,,, butch


Posted on Tue Feb 15 04:29:18 CET 2000 from proxy-641.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.89)

Scott

Mike: You said a mouth full. Now that I can see the set list I am playing the concert over in my head. I wish I had a recording of the show. You hit the nail on the head. The Gurus are a MUST SEE EVENT. Looks like exciting things on the way from "The Band" camp.....


Posted on Tue Feb 15 03:36:27 CET 2000 from ss03.co.us.ibm.com (32.97.110.68)

Mike Doebbler

From: avalon Archives

yes indeed the Honky Tonk Gurus are definitly THE BAND to see.There set list from saturday night as follows: New Orleans Boogie,Remedy(from Jerico albulm),Deep Feeling,Blues condition,Deepest cut,Down home girl, Jeffery Gaines, Life is a carnival,Sliding home. Second set list: Big foot, Wandering soul, Back to memphis,Many rivers to cross,Texas shuffle,THE WEIGHT,DON'T DO IT,Loves like rain,Twister. This Performance has to be one of the most significant shows of the past several years. The GURUS is a must see,a must see,it does not get any better than this. I believe that a reincarnation has taken place. Judge for youselves.see ya soon


Posted on Tue Feb 15 01:34:25 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Sorry this has been a while in coming...finally have some time...

Garth Hudson, Professor Louie & the Crowmatix
February 4, 2000

The Bottom Line, New York, NY (early & late shows)

The setlists, as best as I can remember:

Don't Wait (late set only)
? (sung by Aaron)
Endless Highway
? (sung by Marie)
Next Time You See Me
Ophelia
To the North (Garth on organ)
Youngblood
Sax instrumental (Garth)
This Wheel's on Fire
Poor Little Fool
300 Lbs. of Joy
The Great Beyond (early set only)

GREAT shows. Garth was Garth -- quirky, charming, phenomenal. Everyone on stage seemed to be having a good time. It was well worth staying for the late set -- the energy was still there, and a very funky Don't Wait (Aaron on vocals, with Marie doing Rick's overlapping-vocal harmonies) was a real thrill. A (new?) song I didn't recognize, with the refrain something like "...won't someone take this lonesome body home...", vocals by Aaron -- awesome song, and a very catchy, Band-like arrangement (though didn't at all sound derivative). Endless Highway -- well, it will never match Rick's version, but finds a nice groove all the same. Garth provided some brief, but stunning, keyboard fireworks during the instrumental part. Next Time You See Me by Aaron always a treat, with that amazing piano playing -- he really comes alive on this one. Ophelia, one of the highlights, with great swampy horns by Garth and Tom Malone.

To the North, Garth's organ improvisation, a real showstopper. During the early set, he kept stopping the performance to mutter and chat with the other musicians, much to everyone's amusement -- but so mesmerizing, like being allowed tiny glimpses into his world. My friends, who only stayed for the early set & who had no knowledge of Garth at all, all agreed this was the best part of the show. In the late set, Garth seemed more focused, and To the North was about twice as long (and bore no resemblance to the song as played in the early set, that I could see anyway -- not that I'm complaining!). Just amazing. As Levon says, "Brother Garth...ain't it easy when you know how."

Youngblood was a lot of fun. Garth had the 4th vocal part of every verse ("what's your name", "lookee there", etc) -- the first three vocals would come in, as the instruments dropped out -- everyone on stage seemed to hold their breath, was Garth going to do his vocal, and do it in time? Great ensemble playing on this one.

In both early and late sets, four precise words by Garth -- "This one's for Rick" -- preceded a mournful saxophone instrumental, with discreet backing by the other players. Devastating. Segues into an instrumental version of This Wheel's on Fire. Very moving indeed.

Poor Little Fool, with great energetic vocals by Marie -- they could easily build an album around her (hint, hint). Jimmy Eppard was the frontman for 300 Pounds of Joy --very bluesy & a bit slower than the Crowmatix album version, giving it a real sense of menace. The early set closed with The Great Beyond, an overlooked gem from that album; nice to hear it live.

So, a wonderful night of music for the lucky few that attended, if a bit bittersweet because our thoughts were with Rick as well. Hope everyone who can will attend their shows of the next few months -- I don't think you'll be disappointed. Thanks for reading!


Posted on Tue Feb 15 00:17:31 CET 2000 from port157.netsrv.ulster.net (208.148.73.157)

Tom

From: Woodstock Records
Home page

Howdy Band-Fans!

I would just like to wish you all a Happy Valentine's Day!
Love the one your with ! Remember love, that's all ya need.....


Lots on the burner, things may seem quiet, but the studio has been
heating up with recording of the Crowmatix record,
it has been a busy winter and we're almost halfway through....


Many of you may have heard about the Garth Hudson, Professor Louie and The Crowmatix show at Cipriani in New York City, that featured Cyndi Lauper, pop diva & 80's Top 10 mistress. Cyndi sang on "The Weight", "Out Of The Blue" and she even made The Crowmatix play one of her new songs she had written just for the event. It was a great night and for a good cause, "Seeds Of Peace", an organization dedicated to educating children from wartorn countries about peace and living in the world. Garth shined on his ever brilliant instrumental "Sea To The North" and then the band broke into a groovy extended version of "Scarlet Begonias" featuring Miss Marie on some hot & heavy vocals and Louie's screaming B-3.

More soon, so..............Stay tooned !

Peace- Tom/Woodstock Records


Posted on Mon Feb 14 23:15:30 CET 2000 from du-tele3-078.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.78)

Peter Viney

John D. Yes, it’s funny. I agree that it sounds fine from Ronnie. But he wasn’t a tobacco picker, was he? He was a professional musician from a tobacco farming background. You know, my grandfather was a coal miner, and so were my uncles, but I wouldn’t feel it relevant to describe myself as "For someone from a mining family, he wrote a lot of stuff." I mean, why should that be so surprising as to be worthy of note? It’s only worth noting if you’re looking down on coal miners or tobacco pickers. Hence my description of "patronizing." Rick was rightly proud of his background in interviews and so I suppose that makes it OK. I guess it shows BH has retained the knack for paraphrasing Band sources like Ronnie Hawkins though!

Back to Prince. Hoskyns told him he’d written a book about him. Prince asked the title, and Hoskyns had to tell him it was "Imp of the Perverse." Prince proceeded to take exception, not surprisingly, to both imp and perverse, and asked him to define the words imp and perverse.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 22:54:28 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Screamin' Jay Hawkins, composer of the classic "I Put a Spell on You." Dead at 70. Rest (er...scream) in Peace.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 22:45:29 CET 2000 from mnet06-56.austin.texas.net (207.207.3.224)

Laura Holt

From: Austin, TX

In response to "The Weight" being used in a commercial a few years back- it was a coke commercial (maybe pepsi). A chick pulls up in a convertable out in the middle of nowhere and grabs a drink. This was shown in 1996? Wish they still showed it. The song is in a movie out now called "Girl Interupted" . To all the BAND fans out there .....glad to know there are all of you out there with excellent music taste!! RIP RICK...I LOVE YOU


Posted on Mon Feb 14 22:02:12 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: NZ
Home page

The Weight was indeed used in a commercial a couple of years back - they played the first verse only. I'm sure it was Levis - but it may have been Coke. I can't remember which.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 21:59:51 CET 2000 from trt-on76-29.netcom.ca (216.123.87.157)

John Donabie

Re Peters Viney's last post

I did not read the Hoskyns article and I am not defending him in any way, shape or form; whatsoever; but I was puzzled about one line he wrote that you felt uncomforable about. It was...

"Danko experienced highs and lows unknown to most tobacco pickers. He flew in Lear jets with Dylan …"

After Rick's death, Ronnie Hawkins said to me....."Son for a farmboy from Simcoe he lived faster and experienced more in his 56 years, than you or I would, if we lived to be 100."

Again....I didn't read the article; but that line seems reasonably factual? Comment? Just Wondering.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 21:40:46 CET 2000 from du-tele3-103.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.103)

Peter Viney

I think Rod is right that Hoskyn’s Mojo article is nothing to get TOO worked up over. As I was the first to complain that the article was patronizing, people keep asking me what was in it. That’s all it was, a bit patronizing, and far too short compared with Doug Sahm in the same issue. It wasn’t a great piece, but it appears to be generating hysteria which is over the top. As Lee says it’s what a journalist and critic would be expected to write, especially one who has missed the pleasures of The Band post-1978. I objected to the following line as patronizing:

The heading, "The callow farmboy" and this "Danko experienced highs and lows unknown to most tobacco pickers. He flew in Lear jets with Dylan …"

I objected also to references to his physical state in recent years, because they were phrased unkindly, and I won’t double the unkindness by repeating them. In a one column review so much is left out, that’s it’s a crying shame to mention a negative point about eviction. Hoskyns wasn’t alone, every journalist just about mentioned Japan. The overall title, "Real Gone" is silly and offensive, but they’ve used it every month for years in Mojo.

So, the positive quotes only, please:

"Only he could have sung Stage Fright or The Unfaithful Servant or It Makes No Difference. His was an artless country soul voice unlike any other I ever heard, and it sat perfectly between the razorback growl pf Levon Helm and the blue-eyed Ray Charles soul of Richard Manuel." / … one of rock’s great electric bassists. His deep gulping lines were as distinctive a component of The Band’s sound as Robbie Robertson’s needling Telecaster or Garth Hudson’s swirling Lowrey organ." / "hardcore Bandheads will recall a sublime show at London’s Borderline in the early 90s" / "In addition to the Band catalogue, Danko leaves behind him the jovial 1977 solo album, lovely records made with Eric Anderson and Jonas Fjeld and the brand new Live On Breeze Hill. Like Richard Manuel before him, he will be sorely missed."

Let’s go on to add something for the doubters. I think Barney Hoskyns has an excellent self-deprecating sense of humour in his articles. In this month’s Mojo he interviews Prince, aka The Artist, or Squiggle. No doubt some will applaud the way Prince deals with him, but also please applaud the fact that Hoskyns reports it verbatim.

"BH: Turns out he’s (Prince) closely scrutinised a long Mojo piece I wrote back in 1997, a piece based on interviews with a clutch of people who had worked for him … Also turns out that he puts pieces like this up on his website and corrects any factual errors they contain …

Prince: The only person who knows anything about my music … is me.

BH: If you say so.

Prince: Lemmee ask you something. What you wrote about me, was that the truth or was it conjecture?"

BH: Erm …

Prince: Was it the truth or was it conjecture?

BH: Some of it was conjectural, I suppose.

Prince: And if conjecture isn’t the truth, then what is it? Isn’t it just lies?"

(later in the interview) Prince: Did you come to the source for the truth?

BH: You think I didn’t try to get an interview?

Prince: yeah, but what gives you the right to write a book of conjecture about my life?

BH" Er, it’s a free country.

There you go, Serge. Bet you never thought you’d be applauding Prince.

Bob W: I meant "The weight’ would be an ideal levis ad. it hasn’t been as far as I know.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 20:27:38 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Richard Patterson, glad to see "Arkansas Traveler" come up again. As most know, Levon and Garth put in cameo appearances on the album, I don't think we've had a discussion on the merits of the album itself.

For my money, Michelle Shocked is one of the more ingenius artists in the music industry today. Her ability to both personalize and globalize in her music is too rare in music today. In my opinion, both Shocked and Canadian Jane Sibbery are the two artists most adept at bringing together vast influences and styles in a singular, personal expression.

Of the two, I'd have to say the Shocked is the most "Band-like" in her approach, which is best exhibited in "Arkansas Traveler" (though Captain Swing is fun, and "Short Sharp Shocked" has a stronger "folk" approach, more consistent with her "Texas Campfire Tapes" - which enjoyed a "Basement Tapes" like reputation and history as being widely bootlegged before "official" release and a similair mythical, non-pretensiousness in production value).

"Kind Hearted Woman," which is the follow-up to Arkansas Traveller is also very good, but for some reason, AT speaks to me at so many levels that after literally thousands of listenings, leaves me in awe.

Anyway, and perhaps this is a good jumping off point for discussion, I'd argue that "Arkansas Traveller" is the most "Band-Like" album by a more recent artist that I could name. By "Band-Like," I'm not necessarily talking about musical structures and styles, but in spirit and emotional core.

Arkansas Traveller, beyond the obvious comparison due to Levon's and Garth's involvment, combines a singularly Southern cultural approach with a sophistication and worldly humor. Unlike The Band, Shocked's efforts here are more "ethnomusicalogical" as she draws more directly from the southern folk and minstral influences, repleat with repeating old minstral routines and bad jokes. However, in songs like "Soldier's Joy" and "Come Along Way" there is a real Band feel at work. Soldier's Joy may be the most poignant expression of Rebel soldier psychology since Dixie.

I'm also drawn strongly to her treatment of songs like "33 RPM Soul" (reminiscent of songs like "Look Out Cleveland" or her re-working of the Franky and Johnny tale in "Hold Me Back," which reminds me (not in production values, obviously) of a Basement Tapes approach to Americana.

Any other candidates? Thoughts on this album?


Posted on Mon Feb 14 20:19:34 CET 2000 from (12.4.240.99)

Laurin

A few people have e mailed and asked my opinion about the best Band shows and my favorite periods for collecting (I guess ya gotta start somewhere). Yes, there are periods that I prefer over others (however, I'll collect any show that's out there). For the purpose of this note I'll stay with shows by The Band exclusively (with the exception of my ABSOLUTE favorite show). I'll post a note regarding solo shows later.

My absolute favorite Band related show is Richard Manuel's solo show at the Getaway in Woodstock, NY (12/7/85). Period. No contest.

Regarding shows by the Band, naturally, my absolute favorite shows feature the original line-up, with my preference for shows prior to 1971, before the setlist became pretty standard. Other than the relatively poor quality of many of the tapes, these are certainly shows that any Band aficianado will enjoy.

1983 and beyond, my favorite shows are those from August 1985 (opening for CSN and introducing Jimmy) through March 3, 1986 (Richard's last shows). The Band is back as a five piece for these shows and sounds absolutely incredible. The setlists are incredible. At times, Richard's voice will crack during "Released", he drops the falsetto and sings baritone. My 2 "Holy Grails": 2/27/86, Hillsborough, NC (my first) and 3/3/86, Winter Park (Richard's last).

Next, I enjoy the 1984 tour shows if for no other reason than Richard Manuel sings "I Shall Be Released" in a baritone voice.

Following the 1984 shows, I enjoy anything after September 1992 (essentailly all of the shows after Richard Bell became a permanent member). The July 1991 with Billy Preston are a great deal of fun as well.

I'm not particularly fond of the 1983 tour shows. While the Cates Brothers are wonderful musicians, I feel the down home feel of the Band's music get's buried under the shear weight of 8 musicians playing at once.

I hope this answers some questions or at least was somewhat entertaining. The Band were incredible live, it doesn't matter at what point of their career. You will certainly enjoy any show that you come across.

Laurin


Posted on Mon Feb 14 17:03:11 CET 2000 from ppp737.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.161)

Richard Patterson

From: The Clash Tour

Look at that big yellow cornbread moon !


Posted on Mon Feb 14 17:00:03 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"Big Eddie left Savannah, he could not stop / You should have seen that colored fireman when he got those boilers hot..." (from Blind Willie McTell's "Stateboro Blues")

Dave Z: If not mistaken, I believe Robbie Robertson, Gary Busey & Jodie Foster filmed some of the scenes from "Carney" in the Savannah area. Of course, Sherman's march to the sea through Georgia ended at Savannah before heading up through South Carolina. It seems that one of Sherman's officers, George Stoneman, didn't make it as far as Savannah. He was captured by Confederate troops during a botched cavalry raid just south of Atlanta.

Speaking of movies, the spotlight is on Martin Scorsese early this week on the cable television channel Turner Classic Movies. Tonight through Wednesday night at 8:00 p.m. EST, TCM will air "A Personal Journey With Martin Scorsese Through American Movies" in three 90-minute segments. This documentary on the history of American film is the centerpiece of a weeklong festival of classic movies presented by TCM. In the early morning hours of those three nights, TCM will also show letterboxed (widescreen) versions of Scorsese's "New York, New York", "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" and "THE LAST WALTZ." The "Last Waltz" will air at 4:00 a.m. Thursday morning. This is an extremely rare opportunity to obtain a copy of this movie in it's original theatrical widescreen format, so get those VCRs ready.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 16:27:04 CET 2000 from (209.155.134.101)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

The Robbie Robertson documentary is "Making a Noise". It came out in August 98 as part of the promotion for "Contact from The Underworld of Redboy".

If anyone wants to purchase a copy it can be ordered through Perry Films in New York.


Posted on Mon Feb 14 12:13:16 CET 2000 from nas2ip235.ipswich.gil.com.au (202.47.33.235)

MIKE

From: AUSTRALIA

I FIRST HEARD THE BAND IN 1976 WHEN I BOUGHT A COPY OF BEFORE THE FLOOD BECAUSE I LOVED BOB DYLAN AND SAW HIS NAME ON THE ALBUM COVER. SINCE THEN I HAVE BEEN ENTRACED ENCHANTED AND COMPLTELY HOOKED BY THE BAND. I MIGHT NOT LISTEN TO THEM FOR MONTHES ON END BUT I ALWAYS , PARTICULRLY WHEN MY HEART IS SORE OR I HAVE SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE TURN BACK TO THE MUSIC OF MY SOUL. I CAN'T PLAY AN INSTRUMENT AND MY VOICE IS AS FLAT AS A TACK BUT THE BAND IS ALWAYS THERE FOR ME. I HAVE DECREED THAT THE WEIGHT WILL BE PLAYED AT MY WAKE MY HEART GOES OUT TO RICK AND HIS FAMILY . AS THEY SAY IN AUSTRALIA CHEERS


Posted on Mon Feb 14 05:45:16 CET 2000 from proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.143)

Scott

Wow !!! Jim Weider and The Honky Tonk Gurus... Saw the show in Piermont last night. I expected it to be good, but they were amazing.... They played a cluster of songs from the "Bigfoot" cd, which I expected and a few Band tunes. Great interesting versions of "Remedy" and "Life Is A Carnival" (dedicated it to Rick) - which was a wonderful suprise... Jim and Randy are also very friendly (even to someone who was a bit tipsy). This band is really good. They should record their shows and release a live cd. I was really impressed. Randy did a great job as the "lead" singer. Jim's playing was great. He can really make that guitar cry. They played for about 2 hrs with a short intermission between sets where Jim was selling the cd and t-shirts...Anyone who loves The Band or just enjoys great music has to go and see this group. I know I am going to see them as often as possible.....


Posted on Mon Feb 14 05:22:33 CET 2000 from dialin34.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.34)

Katser

From: Notre-Dame-de-Grâce

A local Montreal music channel, Musimax, tonight ran the Authorized Band Biography and also announced that it would be airing something called "Making Noise" by and/or about Robbie Robertson. (For Montreal-area GB readers, it's at 8 p.m. on Thurs. Feb 17, channel 48 - Vidéotron West End - or another channel if you subscribe to East End). Could anyone tell me more about this, when it was made, etc. It's new to me, but then again I my knowledge of Band videos is not exactly exhaustive. 1000x merci!


Posted on Mon Feb 14 05:11:47 CET 2000 from spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.176)

butch dener

From: ulster county, n.y.

Good Music is alive & well & available at jimmy weider & the HT GURUS gigs,,, I saw them last night at a SOLD-OUT show @ The Turning Point,,, They are so TIGHT,TIGHT,TIGHT !!!!! jimmy has never played better,,, & randy is still an absolutely ön-time"funk-drummer,,, & Malcolm "solid " Gold & Jeremy "Atom " Baum really bring talent & energy to the mix,,, the crowd was howlin, & dancin & knew the music,,, a great night,,, BIG FUN !!!! these fellas have really built a great band & the people support them,,, go see them if ya can Levon & the Barn Burners will be there in april,,,too & this wednesday,, @ The Joyous Lake, as usual,,, BUT THE story here, now,,,,,, is Jim Weider & the Honky Tonk Gurus,,,


Posted on Mon Feb 14 05:00:21 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: NZ
Home page

I've seen Hoskyn's article in Mojo and to be quite frank I don't know why some people here have been so upset by it. Perhaps for those that knew Rick these things are harder to take but from an outsiders point of view it didn't seem that bad.

The fact is that RD did see the highs and lows of life and in his later years his voice wasn't what it once was. This is probably true of many old rockers. Rick did at least get a chance to experience the highs (not the drug induced ones either).


Posted on Mon Feb 14 04:57:46 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-190.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.190)

MISTY

From: kentucky, usa

Happy Valentines Day Everyone!!! I came to a realization today, that The Band is so wonderful because of their diversity...If you take all of their cds and listen to one, then another..they are so different lyrically, but still similar musically..One song has Richard crooning his heart out, while another is upbeat with Levon churning out lines..then Rick chimes a medly...ahh just take time today to introduce The Band to someone close to you..they will never forget it..Play Sip the wine, Long Black Veil, Book Faded Brown, and any other favorites..I love them all and I am so glad that I got turned on to their music by my friend...and I have made it a duty of mine for everyone around me to have THE BAND in their vocabulary..Dan aka hottoddy..thanks for helping me fulfill my dreams...love ya...NOW go show some love to anyone around!!! peace out...mid


Posted on Mon Feb 14 03:54:12 CET 2000 from user-33qt97t.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.253)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Dave, as you probably know, "Dirty Dan he came up from Savannah..." (Get Up Jake)


Posted on Mon Feb 14 03:36:53 CET 2000 from spider-tj053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.198)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Don & David P, Others in GA, and Catbalu too: Can you tell me anything Band-related about Savannah, GA?... I just got back from a work trip in and out quickie with a stopover in Atlanta... I wandered down to the River street to sample the local fare including some crab cakes... First song I heard was Knockin' On Heaven's door leakin' out of a bar... then I sat for a half hour and listened to three black grey beards playing the blues on the street... First song that caught my ears was Georgia... later did some Kansas City... one guitar player... one trombone player... and one singer/dancer... Enjoyable 60 degree plus February night for this MN boy...


Posted on Mon Feb 14 02:06:58 CET 2000 from spider-tl061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.201)

Lady Lorraine

From: Upstate NY and Austin
Home page

and the smoke shall rise again... Bubble Puppy can be found at the BluesKnights website... Enjoy!


Posted on Mon Feb 14 02:06:15 CET 2000 from spider-te033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.188)

Bob W.

From: Louisiana

Did I miss something? Is "The Weight" going to be in a Levi's comercial, or has it already been in one?


Posted on Mon Feb 14 00:25:01 CET 2000 from ip-117.dial.wans.com (64.7.64.117)

Molly Z.

Hey everyone! Just wanna wish everyone a great Valentine's Day tomorrow. Stick with someone you love and listen to the music you love. Anyway, best wishes to you all and hope you get something special tomorrow. In the meantime, keep the Band playing and enjoy it!!

Molly


Posted on Sun Feb 13 23:44:06 CET 2000 from ip106.isdn1-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.5.106)

Nick Hays

Love the site and the group, obviously. I was reading the tape archive and saw the Robbie/Fogerty/Springsteen performance from '93 listed. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of that?


Posted on Sun Feb 13 23:32:42 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

:( Peanuts:(


Posted on Sun Feb 13 22:53:17 CET 2000 from user-33qt82q.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.90)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

The Clash and Bubble Puppy......


Posted on Sun Feb 13 22:31:19 CET 2000 from du-tele3-071.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.71)

Peter Viney

Danny Lopez: not a lot to say on TheClash. "Should I Stay Or Should I Go" sits nicely on the Levi ads compilation, "Originals," with Bad Company’s "Can’t Get Enough" and Steve Miller’s "The Joker." Free’s "Alright Now" should have been with them. But when you listen to Eddie Cochran’s "C’mon Everybody" on the same compilation, you really hear who’s punching it home, in spite of being 20 years earlier, lower-tech, with just a three piece band. I see RR quotes Eddie Cochran as early listening. Good choice. Never got into The Clash, and I eschew three album sets as a rule. Have to admit that writers I respect invariably rate The Clash very highly. Band connection? "The Weight" was a natural for a Levi’s ad. Levis did "Mannish Boy," "Piece of My Heart" and the above mentioned.

This week’s listening is Warren Zevon’s "Life’ll Kill Ya". Not quite first division, but good enough for a dull February. The new Dr John "Duke Elegant" set doesn’t make it for me. Garth Hudson does "Caravan" way better. Mose Allison did "Don’t Get around Much Anymore" and "Do Nothin Till You Hear From Me" way, way, better. Mose Allison also did "One Room Country Shack" which was supposedly a lost Gold Star session out-take for "Big Pink". Sounds unlikely, but Rick mentioned doing "Sitting here a thousand miles from nowhere" which has to be the same song.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 22:18:50 CET 2000 from spider-tl052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.197)

Lady Lorraine

From: Upstate,NY & Austin
Home page

Hi! Caught your show at The Turning Point last night! Just awesome! Come on over and visit us sometime! Roy Cox, from 1968 Bubble Puppy fame, with his friends, Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton and Alan Haynes and an all star cast from Austin just came out with their first CD and a second one is planned to go into recording in the Spring! When they travel up to these parts I'll bring them to one of your shows! Keep on Bluesin!


Posted on Sun Feb 13 21:14:45 CET 2000 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

From: Suomi

Happy Valentine for all of you, Nice names you have picked...Joe Ely' s Honky Tonk Masquerade is my all time favorite and Because The Wind is my favorite sing along song. And Buena Vista Social Club is coming to Pori Jazz Festival, yippee...Time stops as Ibrahim and Omara are singing Silenzio.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 14:04:47 CET 2000 from spider-wj024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.29)

Gypsewoman

Lil: Let me correct myself, It is either Going to Alabama, as I said before or Going Back to Alabama. I believe it is one or the other.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 13:59:54 CET 2000 from spider-wj024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.29)

gypsewoman

Lil: I believe the name of the song is Going to Alabama. I don't know who wrote it, but Paul Butterfield sang it. Hope this helps.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 11:48:46 CET 2000 from 98acd163.ipt.aol.com (152.172.209.99)

Liz

From: yayaDJgirl

I keep my fingernails long, so they click when I play the piano.........


Posted on Sun Feb 13 06:20:29 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Blind Willie McTell

If I can't hear The Band, the Clash is a good alternative.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 02:14:17 CET 2000 from spider-te082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.212)

Liz

From: Yaya

Thanks for the Clash Info. Im proud to say I got to play them on the air ! Some other GREAT Joe Ely: "Letter To Laredo" with Bruce on one song, "Twistin in the Wind" and my live tapes [ e mail me if ya would like to hear more]also, Joe Ely will be playing in another Glorious "Flatlanders" reunion on March 10 and 11 at "The Bottom Line", in NY, with Butch Hancock and the boys ! sorry to bounce so far from the BAND, but , I think its very cool that we all have similiar taste here ......


Posted on Sun Feb 13 01:06:08 CET 2000 from unionppp4.union.edu (149.106.172.5)

Danny Lopez

From: upstate NY

Scot: Thanks for mentioning that Sandinista is remastered. I wouldn't have known about it otherwise. Gotta get it now. My copy is on vinyl.

Richard: Honky Tonk Masquerade indeed! "Live Shots" is Ely's best, imho. I've got most of his catalog including the Tex-synth attempt -- "Hi-Res" -- which I believe was a failure, the awesome Jerry Lee Lewis sounding "Musta Notta Gotta Lotta," and the Tex-Mex flavored "Letter to Laredo." There was certainly no contradiction with him opening for the Clash!

I wait in anticipation to hear Viney's take on the Band-Clash.


Posted on Sun Feb 13 00:48:54 CET 2000 from proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.63)

Scott

The Clash !!! I saw them at Bonds, NYC in 1981. I went 5 evenings. Great shows. Standing in the front was an adventure. People were very aggressive dancing, (and I was, uh hum, very young, but got in anyway)!!!! One of my favorites. The live disc is called "From Here To Eternity". 17 tracks recorded live 1978 through 1982. Just purchased the new digitally remastered "Sandinista". Big improvement !!!...Well on my way to see Jim Weider and The Honky Tonk Gurus at The Turning Pt.....Yeah !!!!


Posted on Sun Feb 13 00:09:25 CET 2000 from ppp700.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.124)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

Doug and Danny: Speaking of the Clash, just picked up the great film 'Rude Boy', in the we-can't-rent-it-so-we-might-as-well-sell-it section of my local video store. $4.49 ! (that's about .50 cents U.S.). For a few years anyway, there was no better Band.

RE: Joe Ely. If you can find yourself a copy of 'Honky Tonk Masquerade' you will have found something special (it was the basis of the 'Live Shots' - Clash opening set).


Posted on Sun Feb 13 00:04:25 CET 2000 from junior48.dpo.depaul.edu (140.192.160.48)

Pete Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

Another Ricky story to cheer hearts. Well two. The lesser, so to speak, was getting a chance to talk with him before the Sugarbush (ski place in Vermont) Folk Festival in July or August of 1990. Certainly, a very nice man. I also caught him at some dive in Asbury Park, New Jersey. I happened to be home on Spring Break from college (some go to Daytona Beach--some, well one, go to the Altered State) and he was playing at a joint that had some spaceship motif. Anyways, it was a great show. At one point some gal asked him to sing a song for her because it was her birthday. After saying, "happy birthday" he want right into "Blue Tail Fly" (I am not sure if that is the title, but it is the song with the refrain, "Jimmy Crack Corn and I don't care (3 times), my master's gone away." It was nice. I suppose it was one of those moments that is nothing too special, but is nice, and we should sit back in such moments and say as Kurt Vonnegut advised: "If this isn't nice, then what is?"


Posted on Sat Feb 12 21:42:33 CET 2000 from nas-37-250.chicago.navinet.net (216.67.37.250)

Steve Larson

From: Suburban Chicago

This truly is one heck of a site. After 31 years on this planet ( celebrated yesterday ) I am coming close to thinking that there are two types of people in the world; those who understand and love The Band - and everybody else. I would appreciate email from any one who could help me in finding The Complete LW CD set. Any help would be much appreciated ... Thanks , SL


Posted on Sat Feb 12 21:26:02 CET 2000 from 1cust12.tnt3.new-brunswick.nj.da.uu.net (63.10.110.12)

bubby notte

From: south bound brook n.j.

as a guitarist i really appreciate the music of the band and there is no better guitarist alive today than robbie!you have an excellant site that pays tribute to one of the greatest bands of all time.


Posted on Sat Feb 12 20:10:03 CET 2000 from parachute3-156-40-62-24.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.24)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Lil: Maybe Shredni [sp?] knows? He played it with Rick on the Wetlands CD.


Posted on Sat Feb 12 19:57:39 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-30-126.termserv.net (208.20.67.126)

Diamond Lil

From: the side of the road

Peter/Jonathan..thank you. And now to add another title to that tune, a friend just adamantly insisted that the name of it is 'My Friend'. Geez...would appreciate if anyone can definitively give me a title and writer. Thanks.


Posted on Sat Feb 12 19:50:09 CET 2000 from parachute3-156-40-62-24.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.24)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Lil/Peter: I've got the title of that one as "Side of the Road." I've heard it on a few live tapes including the "Endless Highway - Unplugged in the Wetlands" bootleg. [Although, I'm no longer sure what is and what is not a bootleg these days.] Great song, though. [Was thinking of including that one, Lil. BTW - still working; no time !@#$%^&*].


Posted on Sat Feb 12 19:50:18 CET 2000 from ts1-43.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.43)

Doug Smith

From: north of 49

To Danny Lopez: Funny i was thinking the same thing just the other day as i watched the new Clash retrospective on the tube.Brought back lots of memories.It was really good all the members were involved including a rather shakey Topper Headon.Like the Band i think it's the honesty of the music that attracted me.there is a couple of ok Clash sites around but certainly nothing like this extraordinary place.Which says alot about the passion that still exists for the Band.Love to all and remember My daddy was a bank robber but he never hurt nobody he just liked to live that way and he liked to steal your money.Doug


Posted on Sat Feb 12 19:12:52 CET 2000 from unionppp2.union.edu (149.106.172.3)

Danny Lopez

From: upstate NY

I understand there is a new Clash release -- a compilation of live shows. I was a great fan of these guys in the late '70s-early '80s. Oh, those Reagan/Thatcher days, somebody had to speak the truth!

Just wondering if there are any other Band freaks who also dig the Clash. I know that comparisons in the guestbook can sometimes get a bit silly, so I'll try not to drive off the cliff on this one.

-- intelligent, storytelling, and heartfelt lyrics (I'm thinking particularly of London Calling and Sandinista)

-- call and response vocals between Strummer and Jones

-- great appreciation and fascination for authentic American music and culture; the Clash toured with the Texas honky-tonker and country-rocker Joe Ely

-- ability to cross and merge various musical styles

I suppose it's for these reasons I find it musically consistent to listen to "Jawbone" and "Jimmy Jazz" back-to-back. Anybody else see any link between a politicized English punk band and an anti-political traditionalist-inspired Americana Band?


Posted on Sat Feb 12 18:54:17 CET 2000 from proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.53)

Scott

From: 83 acres in Decatur NY

"Goin Back To Alabama" ? I must be brain dead. What album contains this song ?.....The Latin Playboys are a great group. Contains 2 musicians from Los Lobos. They have 2 cd's out. Both are interesting, creative and entertaining. You can here it's influence in the last couple of Los Lobos cd's.....Levon does a couple of guest back up vocals on the 1990 Los Lobos cd "The Neighborhood". The cd is a wonderful treat from beginning to end. You do not get much better then Los Lobos (in my book anyway).....


Posted on Sat Feb 12 18:50:09 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73065.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.64)

Rich Patterson

OFF TOPIC: Hey ED, are you talking about 'In Spite of Ourselves'?. Anything JP sings is the cat's ass!


Posted on Sat Feb 12 18:13:36 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

ED BLAYZOR

From: PATTERSON,NY

there`s been a lot of talk of the d/f/a cd`s in here lately,im glad i`m not the only one who thinks these are great.does anyone know if there was talk of a third disk or a live one? OFF TOPIC: has anyone heard the new John Prine cd great stuff.


Posted on Sat Feb 12 18:04:21 CET 2000 from du-tele3-090.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.90)

Peter Viney

Lil: Goin’ Back to Alabama: not sure, but Kenny Rogers did a song with this title on the Lionel Richie produced "Share your love", an album which also featured "Blaze of Glory", so could this be the same song? I assume it’s with Butterfield from 1987. The tape archive lists it as "Man By The side of the road."


Posted on Sat Feb 12 16:46:26 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-30-126.termserv.net (208.20.67.126)

Diamond Lil

Listening to Rick sing 'Goin back to Alabama' here and wondering if anyone can tell me who wrote it? Beautiful tune....

I'm goin back to Alabama, now that I've learned a thing or two

Life for me ain't been that easy, but I got a lot of livin left to do

A man that walks by the side of the road, can turn himself around

He can pick himself up, and dust himself off

And start all over again

My friend...

Sometimes I find it hard to get up in the morning, my friends and my family were down on me

They could not see where I was going, no they never seemed to see the man I see

And some folks call me a dreamer, while others they laugh and call me a fool

But all that I wanted to be was a winner, cause I know that a winner can never lose

A man who walks by the side of the road, can turn himself around

He can pick himself up, and dust himself off, and start all over again

My friend......

(Jan: I know there has to be a better way to space this, but damned if I can figure it out. Perhaps you can work some of your webmaster magic....Thanks...and um...Hug :-)


Posted on Sat Feb 12 15:28:04 CET 2000 from yellow.javanet.com (209.94.150.110)

Matt Better

On February 10 Garth Hudson and the Cromatix played at Cipriani's in New York City and the show was amazing. Cyndi Lauper was a guest and sang three songs with Garth and the Crowmatix. The show was incredible and it was also for a good cause to benefit Seeds of Peace. I cant wait for the next show.


Posted on Sat Feb 12 01:57:09 CET 2000 from ti09a61-0055.dialup.online.no (130.67.56.55)

Groan Alone

From: Norwachusetts
Home page

Yes,that first D/F/A is a true gem....... I worked on one of their first gigs together at the Cruise cafe in Oslo, Roger Mcguinn got up on stage,sang Knocking on Heavens Door, what a treat! Those voices together were magic....a friend of mine played organ on the album, Lasse, he told me when Ricks voice came through the headset he just stopped playing....he was struck with the familiarity of his voice, he was in awe. anyhow that's the way I remember it........


Posted on Sat Feb 12 01:03:53 CET 2000 from (206.151.38.53)

Pat Patrick

From: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, now California

My all-time favorite group. Music From Big Pink is the finest example of white american soul music ever done on this planet...it spoke to me like no other. You guys tickeled me, touched my heart, made me ponder yesterdays, friends, family and lovers. If the lady didn't love the BAND, they didn't pass the test! Thanks for so many good times. SINCERELY, Pat Patrick


Posted on Fri Feb 11 23:39:21 CET 2000 from (216.208.72.15)

Richard Patterson

From: Run Devil Run

I, for one, would recommend for the low-fi pleasures of the Latin Playboys.

If Sheryl Crowe is moving in this direction, more power to her!

Now did someone say 'Arkansas Traveller'.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 22:37:56 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Bones: I don't have the latest Indigo Girls CD but I've heard several cuts. I think they were trying to move away from the softer acoustic stuff of the past and trying to add a harder-edged sound. Low-tech sound is currently in vogue in some circles. Other artists such as the Latin Playboys, Sheryl Crow and Bonnie Raitt have moved in that direction. As for "Come On Now Social", the fault regarding the distorted sound evidently lies with the recording & mixing techniques and may have been intentional.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 22:11:49 CET 2000 from spider-th062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.72)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

One strand that we all have in common on this site, is our love or music. With that statement, I want to impress on any one who has the opportunity, to go see Buena Vista Social Club live, if they come to your town. Last night my family and friends had the honor to be surrounded for 3 hours with the warmth and talent of some of the most magnificient musicians on this planet. Yeah, I am raving, but words cannot express the feelings that I have had since the concert. If you cannot go, get the DVD, watch it once, or again, make a copy, get the CD, you wont be dissappointed.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 21:58:59 CET 2000 from spider-te034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.189)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi Scott: Boy, do I agree with you! The 2 D/A/F cds have some my favorite work of Rick's. Just listening to his harmony on When Morning Comes to America takes me away. Whatever I'm doing, I'll stop just to hear him. Of course, Drifting Away, Blue River, and "oh babe, whatcha gonna do?" What a treat. I'm stuck here at work and I don't have the cd with me. Shoot! Withdrawals..... :) Take care--Beth


Posted on Fri Feb 11 21:59:01 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

Franko: The liner notes to the Wild Magnolias disc is confusing. There was no Band reunion on "Life Is A Carnival". Robbie Robertson does play on it as well as Bruce Hornsby. The liner notes say "Featuring Levon Helm, Rick Danko, and Robbie Robertson" when it should have said "Written By..."

David Powell: I have found that the sound quality of the new Indigo Girls CD to be terrible. The music is wonderful, and I love the track that Rick and Garth play on, but the sound seems so distorted. I ask you because you're from Georgia , and I know you appreciate sound quality(Stage Fright Gold CD). What do you think?


Posted on Fri Feb 11 19:58:15 CET 2000 from proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.33)

Scott

It's nice to see the Danko, Fjeld & Anderson cd's get some credit here. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought those albums are of the highest calibur. Anyone who is not familier with these cd's should run to the store (or music web page) and purchase them immediately. You will not be disappointed. I find the 1st cd to be a true work of art. The entire album flows beautifully. Check the albums section here for specific info. I think I will go and put it on the ol' cd player right now......yeah !!!!!


Posted on Fri Feb 11 18:50:20 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.159)

David Powell

From: Georgia

In my opinion, some of Rick Danko's best recorded work from the last decade can be heard in his collaborations with Eric Andersen and Jonas Fjeld. As Peter Viney mentioned the other day, Rick also appeared on several cuts included on Andersen's "Stages: The Lost Album", released in 1991.

Of those cuts, my personal favorite is "Make It Last (Angel in the Wind)". Rick plays bass and sings harmony along with Shawn Colvin on the song. Andersen, Danko & Colvin-- three delicately beautiful voices that blend together perfectly. A glimpse of that magic that Rick performed when he sang with Richard and Levon can be heard in his singing with Eric and Shawn.

Andersen, Danko & Colvin seem to be musical kindred spirits. Just as Rick breathed a new level of intensity in his interpretation of Andersen's "Blue River", included on the first DFA album, Ms. Colvin did the same with her brilliantly fresh version of "Twilight" from her "Cover Girl" album.

Give the "Stages" album a listen. It's a perfect example of performers putting all their heart into the music. That's what really matters.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 16:41:23 CET 2000 from 56k-la-01-22.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.85)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Lee Vining, Ca.

Last night I played Caledonia Mission over and over. I really liked Rick Connelly's article.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 16:18:15 CET 2000 from spider-tr012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.177)

franko

From: boston

Oops. Nevermind. I should have known! Jan's site had the answer all along.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 15:47:27 CET 2000 from spider-tr012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.177)

franko

From: boston

Today's Boston Globe has an article about Chief Bo Dollis of the Wild Magnolias (and 'Go Back To Your Woods' from Storyville). Dollis, Monk Boudreaux and Geechie Johnson are playing tonight at Johnny D's in Somerville to support the Magnolias' new album.

The Globe says:

"The Magnolias' new album, "Life is a Carnival" (Metro Blue) blends traditional chants with more recent Indian-style songs. Guest stars include Dr. John, The Band (a rare reunion of Robbie Robertson and his old partners), Allan Toussaint, Marva Wright, and The Black Bottom Brass Band of Osaka, Japan..."

What? Does anyone know anything about this reunion?


Posted on Fri Feb 11 15:40:00 CET 2000 from spider-wl034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.34)

Lee

Serge, I agree Hoskyns is an opportunist. The Band certainly know where I stand with regards to Hoskyns. There are a number of people who recieved email from me about his article long before Johan posted with his good intentions. You got stung for a photograph, The Band got stung for a lot more.

I couldn't give a flying f*~k what Hoskyns thinks about The Band or its members. What disappointed me was that he was given the opportunity to air them in Mojo. But its done. I know Hoskyns wasn't interested in Jericho, Hog or Jubilation, and when he wrote that book I guess he shut up shop and moved on. I don't think he looks in here or ever has. Why would he? As I said in my last post, his love affair probably ended with Northern Lights and The Last Waltz.


Posted on Fri Feb 11 05:17:04 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

'Lil, he is beyond hugs, he needs mental help, he leads the life of photos, and is self centered to the tee. Sergie, I won't stay out of anything, cuz I know a hell of a lot more than you 'ol man. Please,,,with the time you have left on Gods earth, make the best of it, you have to move on now! And yes I smoke pot, oh no,,,put me in jail. You hurt my feelings Sergie,,,please stop, I don't know how much more I can take, we use to be such close friends,,,what happened, was it me? How can I make it up to you?!? This darkness has got to end:)


Posted on Fri Feb 11 04:37:03 CET 2000 from spider-wl011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.21)

Liz

From: woops

so sorry, I didnt see that the "BDvideo" post, had shown , until I turned off my PC !! didnt mean to post it 3 times!!!


Posted on Fri Feb 11 04:31:19 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

Headin' up to ski country this weekend - Will be loadin' the cd player with lots of Band and solo projects. It always makes the ride much easier.

Nicker: You can find a bunch of copies of The Last Waltz on e-bay as well as all sorts of Band memorabilia.

Enjoy the weekend all!


Posted on Fri Feb 11 04:30:45 CET 2000 from spider-tm053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.68)

Liz

From: here

The New Bob Dylan song/video, will be shown tomorrow night [Feb. 11] on the CBS TV show Entertainment Tonight. This is the new video [directed by Curtis Hanson] from the new movie The Wonder Boys...


Posted on Fri Feb 11 02:11:42 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-11-203.termserv.net (208.20.67.170)

Diamond lil

Serge: Hug. Sounds like you need one :-)


Posted on Fri Feb 11 01:09:14 CET 2000 from dial160.gtn.net (209.167.110.240)

Serge

Here we go: We have one sticking up for his compatriot. Hoskyns fancies himself a critic. He has nothing to say. He hasn't been around long enough to have an opinion worth taking seriously. Lee, Hoskyns is an opportunist, a copier and a thief always looking for notoriety. His insults regarding Danko are only to wrap himself in controversy. Band members have a special name for him. Let this big "Band" expert come out from under his rock to this site.

Lil, spare me all your syrup.

Corcoran you know diddly squat, so stay out of this. Go smoke your tie-dyed teeshirt. ( Just anticipating more of your idiocies...)


Posted on Thu Feb 10 23:35:48 CET 2000 from spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.192)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi Bones: Thanks for the comment of the letters to Rolling Stone being "lovely". I humbly admit that I wrote the second one..... Take care, beth


Posted on Thu Feb 10 23:15:53 CET 2000 from travelline6.wcco.com (199.199.119.6)

Charlie

hi Besides doing the soundtrack, do any of the Band members appear in "You Are What You Eat?" I know Danko said he and Richal Manuel went up to Woodstock with Tiny Tim, stayed at a local motel etc. Do they appear in the film? Thanks in advance


Posted on Thu Feb 10 23:03:57 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

As I recall, Serge had Mr. Hoskyns pegged correctly from the get go.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 22:12:04 CET 2000 from (205.253.199.190)

Gypsewoman

Diamond Lil - Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 21:46:33 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-33-225.termserv.net (208.20.67.192)

Diamond Lil

Lee: Thank You. Was just about to post, and you took the words right out of my mouth. Let the critics say what they will..to those who knew and loved Rick..he was the best. I, for one, miss him more than words can say.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 21:28:41 CET 2000 from spider-tm022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.52)

Lee

JOHAN, with respect, you're not doing anyone any favours harping on about Hoskyns article in Mojo. Hoskyns is a journalist and critic, and I'm sure you can tell by reading his book that his love affair with The Band ended with The Last Waltz.

Those of us lucky enough to have seen Rick live in the last few years have those sweet memories, and those that have followed his career have all the great music he produced.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 21:20:50 CET 2000 from turner-166.megalink.net (209.222.98.84)

Nicker

I"ve been trying to find a copy of The Last Waltz to no avail....I'm being told that it's out of print since last October. Can anyone point me in the rite direction? Thankyou


Posted on Thu Feb 10 21:08:25 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

The new issue of Rolling Stone magazine has two lovely letters written to the editor about Rick Danko. Leonardo Di Caprio is on the cover.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 20:50:52 CET 2000 from beer.pilsnet.sunet.se (192.36.125.73)

Johan F.

From: Sweden

I have been waiting for Barney Hoskyns to come here and explain to The Band internet community why he had to be so mean to Rick Danko and his family and friends in that piece he wrote in the February issue of the British "Mojo" magazine. I am sure Hoskyns follows this web site; after all he claims that he moved to Woodstock and lived there for four years because he'd "been drawn to the town by The Band." Of course the fact that Hoskyns practically lived next door to Levon, Garth and Rick for so long makes it even harder to understand how his book on The Band did end up with so much guesswork and gossip.

For those of you who have not read Hoskyns' recent article about Rick: It consists of five paragraphs. In the first one he points out that Rick's death was no surprise to "those of us who knew what Rick had been doing over the last 40 years as a musician." (no shit, Sherlock...) In paragraph two Hoskyns tells us about his four-year stay in Woodstock with "Danko virtually a neighbour." Paragraph three is about how Rick changed over the last 20 years, from the "handsome charmer" in the Last Waltz to (I don't want to repeat Hoskyns' terrible choice of words) the heavier and older version of the '90s. He also tells us about the Japan drug incident that we all know about. In the fourth paragraph Hoskyns finally tells the readers something about Danko's _musical_ career, a 15 line summary covering Ontario teenager years, the Hawks, the Dylan connection and The Band. The final paragraph points out that Danko experienced "highs and lows unknown to most tobacco pickers", that he had had severe financial problems, and that "his singing had become erratic in recent years," before having the nerve to end with "he will be sorely missed."

The bastard should pay for this ...


Posted on Thu Feb 10 20:23:33 CET 2000 from spider-wi072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.52)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Just Wonderin' from Texas-thanks!


Posted on Thu Feb 10 14:30:22 CET 2000 from pm1-82.delrio.com (204.216.51.102)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Bashfull Bill: The Ronnie Hawkins books are "Last of the Good Old Boys" and "The Hawk (The Story of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks)" by Ian Wallis. I think Peter Goddard co-authored "Last of the Good Old Boys". Both books are worth a read or if you can find them at a reasonable price worth the purchase. I believe the Wallis book is still in print. I think I found it at Amazon or Barnes and Noble last summer. The other one is out of print but I found a copy on Ebay. Bibliofind is another good source. As always Ronnie's tall and not so tall tales are enormously entertaining!


Posted on Thu Feb 10 12:24:25 CET 2000 from pega2pp57.alltel.net (166.102.107.58)

Martha Page

From: Georgia

I was able to order both Levon Helms' and Bill Graham's books through amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com. I had to wait awhile on Levon's, but the Graham book came fairly quickly.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 05:43:24 CET 2000 from user-33qt9q4.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.167.68)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

I for one would like to welcome back the esteemed Laurin Willis to the Guestbook. An important contributor to the beauty of this place, it's nice to see him return.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 05:23:21 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73030.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.29)

Richard Patterson

From: Welland On

To the GB people: Have been lisenting here to James Carter ('in Carteian Fashion'). Sometimes a real big dose of exclusive/authentic intrumental jazz improvising, can tend to remind you of the role that lyrics play in the grand musical scheme of things The lyrics we expect are of two types, (1) window dressing _or_ (2) pure poetry to mesh with the musics' thematic, rythmic, and sonic, requirements. These voices must match seemlessly to sound, like they are one of the instruments themselves (Billie Holiday). To have this combination together in one piece of music, exposes us to a glimpse of God ! Sure it only happens rarley, (when the heaven's collide). But the Band was one of those monents when time stood still and the heavens collided, just long enough that we could all basque in it's glory (and roll some tape). As has been mentioned by several posters previously, God's choir just keeps getting sweeter.

Peace folks ... Rich.


Posted on Thu Feb 10 04:10:12 CET 2000 from spider-wg041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.36)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa, N.Y.

After seeing the post regarding Levon's book I checked another book search website:www.alibris.com. They currently have 2 used copies,one for $18 and the other a pricey signed by Levon edition for $84. No copies available of Bill Graham Presents but I have seen it there in the past. BTW what is the title of Ronnie Hawkins book?


Posted on Thu Feb 10 01:03:03 CET 2000 from ip203100.uvm.edu (132.198.203.100)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vermont

To Whom it may concern: I have a web address for anyone searching for Levon Helm's book, This Wheel's on Fire. Although it is out of print, this resource was absolutely amazing and had several copies from several different book stores. They range from about $15.00 and up. The address is: www.bookfinder.com. Just type in Helm and the title and you will have luck. If you have more questions, e-mail me. Bob


Posted on Wed Feb 9 22:47:06 CET 2000 from (12.4.240.99)

Laurin

After entirely too long away, I'm ready to find more shows to add to my collection. I've missed the music and I've missed everybody here... Please contact me if you have shows that don't appear on the tape archive... Laurin


Posted on Wed Feb 9 22:26:25 CET 2000 from trt-on66-73.netcom.ca (216.123.97.201)

zimmy

mattk you are correct. Michael Chabon it is!


Posted on Wed Feb 9 22:25:54 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

matt: I haven't read the book either but the screenplay for the movie was based on Chabon's novel.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 21:44:56 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

David Powell, is the film "Wonder Boys" based on the book by Michael Chabon? I don't know if anyone's read this novel, but according to my wife, this is one hell of a funny book. My understanding is that it's something of a cross between John Kennedy Toole's "Confederacy of Dunces," and Kerouac's "On the Road." Interesting choice of Douglas for the lead part...I'd have pegged Grady Tripp as at least 10 years younger than Michael Douglas...Hollywood...go figure.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 20:21:22 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Correction: As you Van fans know, "Mystic Eyes" is by Them fearuring Van "The Man" Morrison.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 20:16:10 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The new Dylan song is from the soundtrack for the upcoming movie "Wonder Boys" starring Michael Douglas and directed by Curtis Hanson (L.A. Confidential). The Sony / Columbia CD soundtrack is set to be released Feb. 15. For additional details & a soundclip of "Things Have Changed" check the following site:

www.mtv.com/news/headlines/000128/story1.html

mattk: The theme song from the Sopranos, "Woke Up This Morning", is by the group A3. The CD soundtrack, "The Sopranos: Music From The HBO Original Series", contains some other interesting cuts that have been used on the show. In addition to the theme song, it also contains "It's Bad You Know" (R.L. Burnside), "It Was A Very Good Year" (Sinatra), "Gotta Serve Somebody" (Dylan), "I Feel Free" (Cream), "Mystic Eyes" (Cream), "I'm A Man" (Bo Diddley), "Complicated Shadows" (Elvis Costello), "Beast In Me" (Nick Lowe), "Viking" (Los Lobos), "Blood Is Thicker Than Water" (Wyclef Jean / G&B), "I've Tried Everything" (Eurythmics), "State Trooper" (Springsteen), and "Inside Of Me" (Little Steven & The Disciples of Soul).

Regular viewers of the show of course know that long-time Springsteen co-hort "Little" Steven Van Zandt appears as a regular in the cast of The Sopranos. Van Zandt, very convincingly, plays the role of mobster Silvio Dante.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 20:04:44 CET 2000 from gateway.tpp.com (198.81.246.2)

Brown-Eyed Johnny

Tim: The new Bob Dylan song, "Things Have Changed," is scheduled to be released February 15 on the soundtrack album for the film "Wonder Boys," a comedy/drama starring Michael Douglas, Robert Downey Jr., Frances McDormand and Tobey Maguire. The soundtrack will also have three other Dylan songs--"Not Dark Yet," "Shooting Star" and "Buckets of Rain." Rounding out the album are John Lennon's "Watching the Wheels," Leonard Cohen's "Waiting for the Miracle," Clarence Carter's "Slip Away," Tom Rush's "No Regrets," Neil Young's "Old Man," Van Morrison's "Philosopher's Stone," Tim Hardin's "Reason to Believe," Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" and Buffalo Springfield's "A Child's Claim to Fame." The Dylan song was recorded with his touring band and includes the lines: "Standin' on the gallows with my head in the noose/Any minute now I expect all hell to break loose." There will be a video for the song featuring Dylan and Douglas.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 19:26:39 CET 2000 from atmax-10-29.enter.net (207.16.154.223)

Little Brother

From: around Philly, PA

Misty, I hope you heeded Ragtime's kind and gentle advice. Levon/Robbie and the fate of The Band is to this guestbook as the Civil War-- Hold it! War Between the STATES!-- is to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"!

Jan does such a magnificent job that the record is amazingly, appallingly rich in both guestbook archives and library. Read it and weep-- we're here for you. When you get to the end, you want to start all over again...


Posted on Wed Feb 9 19:05:47 CET 2000 from pool-209-138-11-186.ipls.grid.net (209.138.11.186)

Bobby Jones

From: Columbus

I need a little help, Can anyone tell me what's on "Alive and Kickin " and I came across a reel to reel tape labled the "HAWKS". The history of this has to do with bootlegs. I was assured this is not the Dylan Basement Tapes, but rather something from the pre-band Hawks. I am trying to gather as much information before I shell out the greenbacks. Any help would be welcomed.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 19:02:16 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Funny The Sopranos has come up. I noticed the Hesch/Levy parallel as well, though I think it's such a sad old story that you could call Hesch a composite of a number of Levy-like mobbed-up record "producers."

On a side note, is it just me, or does The Sopranos themesong sound like it could have been done by RR? Obviously, it's not Robbie, nor is it a Robbie song, but whoever it is, is VERY familiar with Robbie's more recent work...cool song too

matt


Posted on Wed Feb 9 18:37:08 CET 2000 from cdr5-96.accesscable.net (24.138.5.96)

Tim

From: NS

Tell us more about this new Dylan tune, which CD is it on? no mention of it on bobdylan.com


Posted on Wed Feb 9 14:52:16 CET 2000 from gateway.tpp.com (198.81.246.2)

Brown-Eyed Johnny

The Bob Dylan/Band connection having long been firmly established, I'm elated to report that "Things Have Changed," Bob's first new song since "Time Out of Mind" and which was foreshadowed by "The Times They Are A-Changin,'" is wonderful.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 14:49:59 CET 2000 from spider-tl032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.187)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

I just picked up "The Skiffle Sessions" recorded by Van Morrison, Lonnie Donegan, and Chris Barber with some special guests including Dr. John. Once again Van has made the effort to recognize and pay tribute to an important influence in his musical development.A lot has been said over the years concerning his demeanor and attitudes but never let it be said that he hasn't paid his respects to those who came before him. There is a certain undeniable integrity in his music and the path he has chosen to present it. The connection to The Band is obvious if for no other reason than that. For all of you who may have been fortunate enough to hear Rick croon "Goodnight Irene" along the way there is a wonderful version on this disc as well as a fine rendition of "Midnight Special". Enjoy all!


Posted on Wed Feb 9 11:14:51 CET 2000 from spider-wn074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.184)

Liz

From: yaya land
Home page

Hi, wow..... you guys are GOOD......... are "girls" allowed? juss kiddin, I love this place.. feels like? um ok here's a book you all must read -unless you already have [ or you may have helped write it] good Last Waltz chapter, and details in here : " Bill Graham Presents" by Bill Graham and Robert Greenfield.......My life Inside Rock and Out.Bantam/ Doubleday/Dell. Chapter 13. great photo from TLW too,by Ken Regan// this is a quote: from Peter Coyote, from the book.....// Rock and Roll is not for Rocket scientists any way, but even so, dont fake it. Go out there, have a good time.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 09:23:56 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Misty (Mid) - please check the Guestbook Archives. It's all there - even more than you want to know.


Posted on Wed Feb 9 07:03:46 CET 2000 from cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net (207.172.7.101)

Ed M.

From: Virginia

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get some Band Patches . Another question on the merchandise , does anyone know where I can get posters that aren't six feet tall and $150 ?? And shirts that are a desent price ??


Posted on Wed Feb 9 06:58:14 CET 2000 from spider-wk053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.173)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

"The Last Waltz" is going to be on Turner Classic Movies on the 16th. I just heard The Band's "One Many Mornings" on the House Of Blues Dylan Album. It's not very good, but nice to have one more vocal from Rick. It also put me in mind of a Band Trib album again, some of the old timers won't be around forever....


Posted on Wed Feb 9 05:17:56 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-180.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.180)

MISTY (MID)

From: kentucky,usa

To fans who are fortunate enough to have a copy of This Wheel's on Fire; Several questions have been stirring in my mind, In that book what does Levon attribute to The Band's breakup? Does he seem bitter? I read Across the Great Divide, and the author seemed to portray Levon as this angry, bitter man who was cheated monetarily by Robertson. It spoke of Helm's hostility towards the fact that Roberston had taken such a leadership role over what had been originally HIS band..I am curious to know what Levon's take on it is. As well as any opinions any of you fans might have on it. Thanks, misty


Posted on Wed Feb 9 05:13:23 CET 2000 from spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.24)

Pac

From: SF CA

Bones, you can see the Fillmore book if you go to the www.borders.com website. It's called "Live at the Fillmore East" (author is Amalie Rothschild); published by Thunder Mountain Co., Oct. 1999. Dang! On the internet they sell the $40 book for only $28! Girlie group news: I'm told Doris from the Shirelles died today. She was the lead vocalist on "This Is Dedicated to the One I Love." bummer


Posted on Wed Feb 9 04:14:59 CET 2000 from d678.as3.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.218.180)

MJD

From: Stevens Point, Wisconsin

Leon Russell alias Hank Wilson

No doubt the most under rated American Musician legend of the past 40years. This dude has been everywhere and has played with everyone... including Frank Senatra. He is and has been the top session piano player in the business both in Nashville and LA for more then 35 years now.

Last year Goldmine did an article on Leon's "Hank Wilson III, Legend In My Time" release (very good recording). In typical fashion of most publications... Eric Clapton got the full front cover... and Leon got a small box off to the side.

It’s time someone gave this musician a full front cover story.

Hank Wilson... love ya. Have you ever heard Leon sing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" solo?


Posted on Wed Feb 9 04:05:25 CET 2000 from spider-we034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.34)

Mike

Rick Connelly -- Thanks for your article...My eyes are moist...again...


Posted on Wed Feb 9 03:13:16 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.owml1.md.home.com (24.4.252.26)

Richard

From: Baltimore

Anyone know if The Last Waltz is out on DVD or if there are any plans to release it on DVD?


Posted on Wed Feb 9 02:16:06 CET 2000 from p3e9c20da.dip.t-dialin.net (62.156.32.218)

Wolle

From: Germany / Hamburg
Home page

The Band Concerte-Germany-2000 ?????????????????????? The Band New-Cd ?????????????????????


Posted on Wed Feb 9 01:05:23 CET 2000 from spider-wo021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.26)

butch

From: ulster county, n.y.

IS IT WEDNESDAY ALREADY ??? the 9th,,, 9pm,,, $ 10.00 Levon Helm & The Barn Burners guest vocalist,,, Amy Helm possible appearance by Mr. Garth Hudson i will not be there due to jerkumstances beyond my control,,,,,,, but THE SHOW GOES ON !!!! ENJOY !!! butch


Posted on Wed Feb 9 00:14:10 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

speaking of gangsters, music, Band connections: Levons book tells a story of bombing out a club of some jerk that stiffed them in Tulsa, I believe, and regretting it later only because Leon Russell played there. this was in the early days of the Hawks I think. Someone with the book on hand wanna check?


Posted on Tue Feb 8 23:19:25 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

thanks for the Connelly article about Rick!


Posted on Tue Feb 8 22:03:52 CET 2000 from client-151-198-146-38.bellatlantic.net (151.198.146.38)

Bumbles

From: The Upper Crust

Those who read gossip columns may have noticed the increasingly frequent appearance of the name Robbie Robertson in recent months, usually as an entry on a list of guests at someone else’s (non-music-related) affair, sometimes with a helpful identifier (e.g., “rock’s…” or “Last Waltz star…”), sometimes not. In today’ New York Daily News, Rush & Malloy report that Robert DeNiro’s companion persuaded him to leave a party for society hotelier Andre Balazs at 1 a.m. even though the “raging bull” was enjoying the company of “Band legend” RR. Fellow merrymakers included Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen, a young Kennedy, and investment guru to the stars Dana Giachetto. If RR’s on the East coast, what are the chances he’ll show up at Joyous Lake?


Posted on Tue Feb 8 20:58:56 CET 2000 from dagbl-gw.dagbladet.no (193.212.14.11)

siw grindaker

From: norway

Just got back from Woodstock, where everyone talks about how much they miss Rick Danko. However, I was lucky enough to get to a gig with Levon Helm's band, featuring Garth Hudson, and with a guest appearance by Levon's lovely daughter. What a voice! And I know who she got it from! It was a memorable night, but it would have been perfect if rick was still around.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 20:21:57 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

On March 28 they are re-releasing "Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl" by The Barbarians according to ICE Magazine. The Hawks appear on the song "Moulty".

Pac: What is the name of tha Fillmore coffee table book??


Posted on Tue Feb 8 19:02:26 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Rick: As an avid viewer of the Sopranos, I also notice the similarity between the character portrayed on the show and Morris Levy. Since Levy is a legend in the music business, it's safe to say that he was used as a model for the Sopranos episode.

As they say in Italian, "piccolo mondo", it's a small world. Actor Michael Imperioli, who plays the youngblood mob character Christopher Moltisanti on the Sopranos, had a small but memorable part in Martin Scorsese's "Goodfellas." He played the young waiter, Spider, who Joe Pesci berates and shoots because he doesn't serve Pesci attentively.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 18:22:53 CET 2000 from spider-wc043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.38)

Rick Kenworthy

From: Balmy T.O.

David Powell: Your Morris Levy story sounds a lot like one of last years episodes of the Sopranos . . . nothing new under the sun, I guess Rick


Posted on Tue Feb 8 17:42:56 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Richard Patterson: It's interesting that you mentioned the movie "Cape Fear." Several years ago I met Nick Nolte down at the courthouse in Atlanta. He was being escorted around by an assistant district attorney while doing research for his role as a d.a. in the movie. But that's another story for another time.

A follow-up to my posting about Morris Levy and Robbie Robertson's early lesson in the "art" of songwriting credit. Author Fredric Dannen wrote the critically-praised and controversial book "Hit Men" (Vintage Books) about the power brokers of the pop music industry. One of the figures profiled in the book is Morris Levy.

Levy started out running a string of nightclubs, including the famous Birdland, before founding Roulette Records in 1956. He learned early on that the true value of music was in owning the copyright and publishing rights. According to Dannen, Levy had an epiphany as a nightclub owner when an ASCAP representative came in to collect the monthly music licensing fees from the club. Levy found out that fees have to be paid continuously to play music. Dannen quotes Levy as saying, "Everybody in the world's gotta pay? That's a hell of a business. I'm gonna open up a publishing company!"

Levy named his publishing company Patricia Music after his first wife. His first copyright was the jazz standard "Lullaby of Birdland", a theme song for his nightclub that he commissioned George Shearing to write. This song would eventually become one of the most recorded pieces in the history of music. Levy also owned the copyrights to "The Yellow Rose of Texas" and some of Chuck Berry's songs, including "You Can't Catch Me." According to author Dannen, Levy once said of his song catalog, "It's always pennies--nickels, pennies, but it accumulates into nice money. It works for itself. It never talks back to you."

As Robbie Robertson found out, Levy also took credit for co-writing songs recorded by artists on his label. Perhaps the best example of this involves Frankie Lyman, one of the first big acts on Roulette's roster. Levy was credited as co-writer of some of Lyman's hits, including "Why do Fools Fall in Love?" When Lyman's widow sued for back royalties, Levy, on the subject of how he actually wrote songs, unconvincingly testified, "You get together, you get a beat going, and you put the music and words together. I think I would be misleading you if I said I wrote songs, per se, like Chopin."

As Dannen recounts, Levy became known as the "Godfather" of the American music business because of his reputed ties to organized crime, specifically with the Genovese Mafia family. In 1988, Moishe "Morris" Levy was convicted on two counts of conspiracy to commit extortion resulting from his part in a scheme involving the unloading of 4.7 million cutouts (discontinued albums). Levy discovered that he was suffering from liver cancer and while free on bail pending appeal, he sold his music holdings for $55 million. Levy died before having to serve a day of his ten year sentence.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 15:45:28 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

Re Russell/Band connections: I don't think anyone mentioned that one of the Mad Dogs and Englishmen was former Hawk, Sandy Konikoff. He's certainly on the Cocker LP, and I believe he's even in the movie.

Re Foghat: For anyone wondering what they're doing here, some small justification can be found in the fact that their early LPs were on Bearsville.

Re songwriting credits: It's interesting that the two songs that are the subject of the Robbie Robertson story about Morris Levy are precisely the two songs claimed by a couple of Robertson's fellow ex-Suedes to have been Suedes songs not writing by Robertson alone.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 15:13:47 CET 2000 from gateway.tono.no (212.71.68.22)

Jens Magnus

From: Land of the midday dark

Hello, so many thoughts upon American traces in music history. I don't know how many of you GB readers who ever get the chance to hear a Norwegian band called the Hellbillies? (After all this is a Norwegian site, right?) However this band, with lyrics in Norwegian, has carried the RR songwriting tradition into Scandinavian popular music. Those of you who get the chance, listen to "Ål stasjon". I immediately thought, these guys have listened to the Band. (The story is from Norway up country, when the first negro is spotted on the railway station.)When I later got to know the singer/songwriter of Hellbillies, he told me that he was a great admirer of RR, and tried to adapt to his musical landscape. Anyway, nice try. So much for Scandinavian music.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 13:00:30 CET 2000 from du-tele3-026.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.26)

Peter Viney

From: deep in the database

Leon Russell links. Leon Russell and Band members appear on the same album several times, but not on the same tracks. They probably both appear on varios Dylan collections, but I haven’t bothered to trace this.

John Simon album, 1970: Artists include Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson, Leon Russell and Harvey Brooks. But not on the same tracks.

Luxury You Can Afford: Leon Russell played on Joe Cocker’s best album. Rick played on his worst album backing Cocker’s abysmal version of ‘I Heard It through The grapevine."

Eric Andersen: Stages, The lost Album. Andersen recorded an album in Nashville in 1972 to 1973, backed by the likes of Kenny Buttrey, Charlie McCoy, Pete Drake and Grady Martin, with guest appearances from Leon Russell, Joan Baez, Dan Fogelberg among others. The tapes were inexplicably lost on their way to Columbia in New York. The resultant hiatus put the brakes on Andersen’s developing career. The tapes finally surfaced in 1989. Andersen then added four tracks, three of which were new, in November and December 1990. Garth & Rick are on the new tracks.

Willie Nelson & Webb Pierce: In the Jailhouse Now: Both Richard Manuel and Leon Russell appear somewhere. Possibly together. Probably not.

Tangled Up in Blues, 1999: The Band do "One Too Many Mornings", Leon Russell does "Watching The river flow."



Posted on Tue Feb 8 07:26:50 CET 2000 from ts10-6.slip.uwo.ca (129.100.99.75)

Nick Panaseiko

From: Ingersoll,Ont. Can.

One of the great unknown members was "Freddy McNaulty" who was almost a constant companion of the Hawks..I have a great shot of him with Ronnie,Levon and Richard Manuel taken in 1978..What happened to Freddy???


Posted on Tue Feb 8 05:31:56 CET 2000 from user-33qt8a4.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.68)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Another amusing Rascals-Band connection: The (Young) Rascals covered "Like A Rolling Stone" on their first album.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 04:22:21 CET 2000 from mat-1-35.enter.net (207.16.155.45)

Little Brother

From: around Philly, PA

In response to a posting from A Fappiano, about five miles down this daisy-chain, I had exactly the same thought just before Christmas: Now that Rick's gone, there's no longer a quorum for "The" Band. I'd pretty much repressed the hope or wish that the first four might play together again, if only for one show or TV concert. New music, old music-- as long as it was an honest reunion, not some forced appearance for a payday or even an award show, benefit, whatever.

Stupid, childish-- but that little dream was freed in the wake of Rick's passing, and I could almost see it evaporate in a blue haze.

No disrespect to Richard Bell intended, but I imagined the piano/vocal chair occupied by, perhaps, John Simon, or one of two heavyweights: Mack Rebennack or Leon Russell. I couldn't figure out where I was getting Leon from, but all of a sudden he's popping up all over this guestbook. So maybe this silly vanished dream wasn't a totally ludicrous dream...


Posted on Tue Feb 8 03:45:05 CET 2000 from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.52)

Pac

From: SF

Forgot to mention to all you book collectors: Yesterday at Borders I came across a great, thick, $40 book on the Fillmore East. Memories, memories! Sure enough, it included a full-page photo of Rick, Dylan and Robbie onstage together.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 03:36:18 CET 2000 from 209-130-150-105.nas1.mon.gblx.net (209.130.150.105)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

I can't remember the exact date, but Leon Russell played at the Natick Blues Festival with the Crowmatix performing on the same afternoon. Approx. two years ago. I remember that Levon went back to rest in the bus after thr set, but Mike Dunn, Jimmy Eppard, and Randy Ciarlante hung out to wait to see Leon's set. Leon sat at his piano and never once turned to face the crowd, his long white hair down to his shoulders. After applause you could hear his quiet "thank... you" after each song.

It was so good to see Randy that day.....


Posted on Tue Feb 8 03:25:11 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: On the Road Again

Leon Russell connections to The Band? The mutual musicians who have had stong ties to both include Dylan, Clapton, and Bruce Hornsby (who just recorded a duet with Leon on "Lucky Old Sun" by Ray Charles). Anyone else?


Posted on Tue Feb 8 03:05:42 CET 2000 from spider-wn013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.153)

Pac

From: SF

Thanks for the great story about Georgia radio! Sounds like you needed a wilder woman ;) Yes, AM radio was what was happenin' back then. I didn't find Howlin' Wolf up north around NYC until the sudden emergence of noncommercial FM radio from the college stations. After reading all the informative guestbook entries, I now think that we all had different experiences based on where we grew up and what was available to us. Now much of it is based on what we read, who we talk to and what documentaries we see. I just hope people can keep it all in perspective, and not interpret our exchange as hostile debates. The internet offers such an opportunity for us to learn from our differences. BTW, I love "Pet Sounds" now.


Posted on Tue Feb 8 02:45:47 CET 2000 from spider-wb011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.151)

Mike

Richard...I was wrong...I did mention The Beach Boys...Didn't mean to lump them in with all the others, only that the British Invasion affected them too.

Leon Russell and The Band? Seems like I remember Levon either writing or talking about The Hawks hanging out in an L.A. recording studio with Leon, Delaney Bramlett, etc. Also, I think the guys may have run into Leon back then at some club in Tulsa? Anyone else?


Posted on Tue Feb 8 02:13:43 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Lonesome Dave Peverett (Savoy Brown to Foghat fame) lead guitarist has passed away due to complications arising from his battle with cancer, Dave passed away this morning around 7:00am. (eastern) of double pneumonia.RIP Dave...

e-mail can be sent to: foghat@foghat.com

Mail can be sent to the Foghat Address 217 E. 86th St. #350 NYC. NY 10028


Posted on Tue Feb 8 01:02:55 CET 2000 from ppp7107.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.219)

Richard Patterson

Peter Shaw: Let me briefly explain my choice of '68 as a Beach Boys cut-off date. First of all the 'Pet Sounds' follow up 'Smiley Smile' never reached the U.S. top 40 (although it contained their definitive single "Good Vibrations"), then 'Wild Honey' made it to #24 (Jan '68), and that was it for chart action until 'Surf's Up' (#29 in '71) - and this lp is generally a rehash of unused or incomplete bits from the 'Smile' project. That's not to say that they didn't produce some good music in this time period. Both 'Friends' and '20/20' showcased some great singles (I love "Do It Again"), and 'Sunflower' may be the most underated lp in their catalogue, but they weren't "hits" from a sales perspective - and remember the theme of my post was the Brit invasion's damage to American music sales. It didn't happen to the Beach Boys in '64. So really 'Holland' in '73 was the first lp of new material that was comercialy successful since 'Wild Honey' (and Brian's contribution was still minimal). 'The Beach Boys Love You' is a wonderful curiosity from 1977 that has Brian back at full force (again this was not a big seller).

Mike: Forgive me if I'm wrong about you mentioning the Beach Boys. Started a nice thread though.

David Powell: Gee, what movie did you take your date to see, 'Cape Fear'?


Posted on Tue Feb 8 00:13:53 CET 2000 from ts7-67t-43.idirect.com (216.154.34.234)

Rick Kenworthy

From: T.O.

Visiting this GB is like the University of Rock . . . seen a couple of references to Leon Russell lately, and would like to ask - any solid links to The Band? I always thought he would have been a show-stopper at TLW . Had the pleasure of seeing The Band at Varsity Stadium in Toronto in 73/74? with CSN&Y and Jesse Young. Also caught them with Dylan's Before the Flood in Montreal and Toronto, and they will always be, for me, the tightest, greatest live band I'll ever see. But a very, very solid act in the summers of 72 & 73 was the Leon Russell Tour, a "Rock n' Gospel' grabbag of extremely tight, joyous sound. Following in Ms KAT de Montreal's paw prints . . . check out Mr. Leon if you've a chance - he's one of a kind - and time moves on . . . . RRick


Posted on Mon Feb 7 23:31:30 CET 2000 from du-tele3-033.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.33)

Peter Viney

Wow! David! Howlin’ Wolf on the first date! I’m not surprised she threatened to leave the car. Seriously adult music. But Gary Lewis? Too much of a cop out. You should have proved your intellectual merit by playing early Bob Dylan. Leonard Cohen was preferred by some, but I think it attracted rather a gloomy sort of person. My poorest credibility moment was probably playing someone "Chicago II" on the grounds that "it was a great album." I realized five minutes in that it had ceased to be so. Actually, later on, I kept playing the Band. You meet by far the nicest type of person.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 23:27:16 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

I mentioned this last year in the guestbook but it bears repeating because it is a perfect illustration of the common music industry practice of stealing songwriting credit. In this instance the victim wasn't a black artist but rather a young Robbie Robertson. The alleged thief was the "infamous" Morris Levy, the then head of Roulette Records.

In an interview conducted by Blair Jackson and published in the March 1998 issue of MIX magazine, Robertson discussed recording techniques and songwriting among other subjects. Robertson had, at that time, just received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the National Academy of songwriters and he recounted one of the stories that he had mentioned in his acceptance speech. Shortly after joining Ronnie Hawkins as a teenager, Robertson discovered that the Hawk was looking for some new material for his next record. Robertson wrote two songs and convinced Hawkins to record them. Robertson explained his joy when he recieved a copy of the completed album and opened it up to look at his name listed on the songwriting credits. However, his joy soon turned to dismay when he saw his songs credited to "Robbie Robertson and Morris Levy." According to Robertson he asked Hawkins "Who the hell is Morris Levy and what is his name doing on these songs that I wrote? And Ronnie says in his southern accent, 'Well, son, there are certain things in this business we just don't question and it's better for all concerned to just accept.'"

Robertson then recounted that, "A couple of days later, I was in a record store and out of curiosity I looked at some other recordings on Roulette Records, and I see Morris Levy's name on a lot of songs. And I think, 'Man, this guy's a songwriting fool!'[Laughs]"

Several months later, Robertson explained that he was with Hawkins in New York and got to meet his "songwriting partner." According to Robertson, "We go into his office and Ronnie introduces me as this young guitar player and songwriter who he thinks has great 'po-tential,' as he calls it. And Morris Levy looks at me and says, 'Yeah, he's a cute kid. I bet you don't know whether to hire him or f--- him.' And I'm thinking, 'Whaaaat? What is with this guy?' And I look around his office and he's got these guys in there with these tight dark suits on; they're packing heat or something. Two things became apparent to me immediately. One was that the Cosa Nostra was not a myth. And number two, that I would forego my comments about the songwriting credit dispute. [Laughs]"


Posted on Mon Feb 7 23:05:27 CET 2000 from proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net (209.240.197.13)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

Hi all, I have posted another picture of Rick and me on my homepage. My buddy in Phoenix jpeg'ed it but he is new to his computer so he hasn't figured out how to enlarge it so it isn't quite as good as the first one I posted. We will work on it! Thanks, Bob


Posted on Mon Feb 7 21:44:41 CET 2000 from spider-tl013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.178)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

Dear David Powell, Thank you for your always enlightening posts. Your latest cleared up a lingering mystery for me. I am an avid Van Morrison fan. As you well know, he has filled his songs with countless references and "tips of his cap" to his musical predecessors.Since his live performances here in the states are few and far between, I have particularly enjoyed the double disc live set "A Night in San Francisco". For those who may not be familiar, it is a wonderful representation of his unique voice and soul backed by a razor sharp band with a wide range of capabilities.That having been said , I'll get to my point. During a compelling medley of "See Me Through/Soldier of Fortune/Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin" there is an incredible crescendo in "Soldier.." that is positively electrifying.As it peaks, Van growls repeatedly (as only "The Lion" can ) "I wore my forty-four so long child, it made my shoulder sore." For the longest time I was uncertain of the lyric and therefore had no point of reference. Thank you for providing the answer.It has long been my opinion that no modern day artist has been nearly as prudent in his efforts to recognize those who blazed the trail.A journey through his body of work has provided me a wonderful musical education for which I am always grateful. I sincerely hope that we can continue to broaden each other's musical scope, thus providing the means to enjoy the music more and more. As for the aforementioned title, if you or any of the visitors here have not had the opportunity to enjoy it --please do. I cannot recommend it strongly enough.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 20:46:15 CET 2000 from spider-wc022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.27)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Just checked the GB after a 3-day absence. I'm thrilled that the high drama of the last week or so has settled. I love the Rascals thread, and agree with Peter Viney(as usual} on the good stuff The Beach Boys put out in the early to mid-70's while Brian Wilson maintained a very low profile(especially Holland, I love that album}. I also saw Jan's latest What's New? and have a couple questions:is the New Orleans show available on videotape, or does any kind GB reader have an audio boot of the show they would like to trade? I have some good audio stuff and haven't yet entered the DVD world, but if I run across the New Orleans DVD I will surely pounce on it! Also: I periodically send this request out to the world- I saw The Band at the King Biscuit Blues Festival in Helena Ark.(Levon's home turf) in 10/94, 5 months after the New orleans show. It is one of my all time favorite Band shows, and if anyone could provide me with this show they will be my hero forever. I'll sign off by saying what I sometimes say to my wife and soulmate-Thanks for putting up with me.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 20:40:42 CET 2000 from ts1-16.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.16)

Doug Smith

From: north of 49

As an aside to the white/black cover thread i'd like to toss out this tid bit that seems to have been left out.In many cases the white artist would be given a writing credit on songs that were written by black songwriters.The writers weren't making huge royalties as it was and this ugly bit of buisness took even more out of their pocket.This practice still goes on to some degree today although the colour of the songwriter plays no part in it anymore.It is rumoured that some of todays top singers will not record a song unless they get 50% of the publishing[hello Celine Dion].As a songwriter i find this to be nothing more then extortion,a writer is faced with the choice of handing over a portion of his/her rights in order to get a song recorded by these people.By the time you get the song to the artist a number of other people[Publishers,agents etc] already have taken a piece of the pie[on average if you are not self publishing a song your publisher takes 50% of the royalties when you sign with them as a fee for shopping the tune]If an Artist insists on a portion of the publishing[and this is where a writer makes his/her money]it comes from what's left of the songwriters portion.It's tough choice when one considers the amounts of cash in question should a Madonna or Whitney record your song.I think this is an incredible show of ingratitude on the part of the singers, the songwriters are the reason they are where they are when you get down to it.I know some of these artists could sing the phone book and make it sound good but how many people would buy the record? We have Colonel Tom Parker to thank for this practice.Peace all Doug


Posted on Mon Feb 7 20:12:16 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Mike: Not only that, but future Domino Carl Radle played the bass, and Al Kooper wrote the bloody song.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 20:16:23 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

And by the way, one of the co-writers of "This Diamond Ring" was none other than Al Kooper. So there's your Dylan / Band connection.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 19:06:50 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

David...great post...On the UP side, you did get to hear Leon Russel on the Gary Lewis record :)


Posted on Mon Feb 7 18:47:32 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Until the mid-'60s, the radio airwaves in the U.S. were for the most part segregated, not just in the South but throughout the country. Recordings by black artists were known as "race records" and white-owned radio stations would not play them. In order to hear the great recordings from labels like Chess, Stax/Volt and Atlantic, one had to tune in to black stations. This would gradually change, as stations such as WLAC in Nashville began to play the blues and R&B.

In was this situation that led to the "Pat Boone phenomenon". Black artists such as Little Richard and Fats Domino would have hit "race records" break on black radio but the white stations wouldn't play them. Along comes someone like Pat Boone, who then cuts insipid cover versions of these songs, which then become huge hits when white radio begins playing the vanilla covers. Mr. Boone, in his white bucks, grins all the way to the bank.

The situation becomes even sadder in the mid-'60s. Just when the white stations cave in and begin playing the great chart-climbing songs from Motown, Stax/Volt and others, the British invasion hits and it's a whole new ball game.

Through my parents I acquired a love of music at an early age and was exposed to all kinds of music. My main outside source for music back then was AM radio. Growing up in Georgia, I would tune in black staions like WERD in Atlanta and listen to disc jockeys such as Jack "The Rapper" Gibson and James "Alley Pat" Patrick spin records from James Brown, Ray Charles, Otis Redding, the Staple Singers and others. I would also listen to the white country station WPLO and pick up on the latest from the likes of Porter Waggoner, George Jones, Waylon Jennings, Patsy Cline, Jim Reeves. When I got old enough to drive and borrow the family car, I used to drive my friends, especially dates, crazy by cranking up WERD and WPLO. They'd say, "what the hell is that?-- change the station so we can hear Herman's Hermits and Gerry & the Pacemakers". Years later, of course, they'd all be singing along with Ray Charles and Willie Nelson. I remember particularly one late night when I was driving my date home and I tuned into WLAC just in time to hear Howlin' Wolf singing, "I wore my forty-four so long, it made my shoulder sore." This dose of hard-core blues scared my girl friend so much that she threatened to jump out of the car and walk home. Obligingly, I switched the station to WQXI so she could sing along with Gary Lewis & the Playboys to "This Diamond Ring".


Posted on Mon Feb 7 18:24:33 CET 2000 from client-114-30.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.30)

Bumbles

From: Island of Real

When discussing the Band and the Rascals, it’s important to remember that, in their classic period, the Rascals were a working R&B/soul band while the Band was a post-Dylan/Sgt. Pepper’s album-rock act. In a field that was defined by singles, the Rascals had a gift for the 45 (7 gold records in one 12-month period!) the Band never approached. And as a Top 40 act in the best, most inclusive sense, the Rascals played to a genuinely integrated crowd---not the bourgeois college-educated caucasian young adults who constituted the Band’s audience.

Regarding Derek Trucks, another strong Band connection is his work on Bobby Charles’ 1998 Secrets of the Heart, which manages the neat trick of being head-turningly spectacular without overwhelming Charles’ great songs or his somewhat fragile vocals.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 17:48:32 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

Richard – By British Invasion I meant the initial first wave – Beatles, Stones, Animals, etc. By “Top Forty Wonder Bread,” I was referring specifically to artists like Bobby Vee, Bobby Rydell, Fabian, Connie Francis, etc. (They were all over the charts in 1964, and this is not really about a “loss of royalties” argument.” It’s about who was and wasn’t affect and to what degree.) I made no mention of The Beach Boys. However, they along with a lot of other American “pop” acts, genuinely were concerned about their future after that first wave hit. Many artists were never heard of again, except at county fairs. The invasion affected the American groups so much that producers began looking for American “Beatles-type” groups…that’s why The Byrds were billed as “The American Beatles”…even Doug Sahm’s band, The Sir Douglas Quintet, looked English. Monkees? Even the Grateful Dead decided to go electric after seeing “A Hard Days Night.” One of the reasons Brian Wilson “ran out of gas” (aside from mental problems) was he realized that cars songs and surf tunes wouldn’t cut it anymore. It’s amazing how much Dylan/Beatles/Band influenced things. Thanks also to Pac, Pat B., and Peter V. for your input.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 17:00:47 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Pat: Thanks for restarting the Rascals thread! I like the Henry Glover connection myself. That is, Glover produced and wrote for Joey Dee and the Starlighters, which included three Rascals at one point. He was producing Hawkins/Hawks at about the same time, and went on to release the first post-Hawkins Hawks record on his own label.

After the Rascals split from the rest of the Starlighters, Jimi Hendrix joined for a while. Then he left and formed Jimmy James and the Blue Flames - a group that hooked up with John Hammond (who also hooked up with our guys).


Posted on Mon Feb 7 16:20:37 CET 2000 from du-tele3-106.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.106)

Peter Viney

Still on cover versions. Agreed Led Zeppelin maintained the rip-off tradition long after most others had abandoned it. But I reckon that’s the kind of people they are. We’re beginning to work out a difference between blues (becoming venerable and respectable in the 60s) and the beginnings of soul (dismissed as "pop"). The stuff that fared badly because of cover versions was smaller label stuff, or soul on non-specialist labels. Tamla Motown and Atlantic & Stax artists maintained their position better. Mention of Besse Banks "Go Now", covered by The Moody Blues, reminded me that I have a wonderful compilation "The Classic Soul Years - 1964." This is smaller label stuff (including Besse Banks "Go Now"), and so much of it WAS covered: Um Um Um Um Um Um – Major Lance / Wayne Fontana, Gonna Send You Back to Georgia – Timmy Shaw / The Animals, Doo Wah Diddy – The Exciters / Manfred Mann, Oh, No, Not My Baby- Maxine Brown / Manfred Mann, I Just Don’t Know What To Do With Myself – Tommy Hunt / Dusty Springfield, Time Is On My Side - Irma Thomas / The Rolling Stones

BUT when you get to the 1966 volume in the same series (I’ve never found the 1965 one), only one track suffered from British covers: Ain’t That A Lot of Love – Homer Banks. The Spencer Davis Group rewrote it, retitled it and took all the credit. (The Band’s cover is one of their least successful – I prefer the Homer Banks, the Taj Mahal AND The Flying Burrito Bros versions). The other thing is that the 1964 artists weren’t usually the writers (Besse Banks was the exception), whereas the more lasting soul artists wrote their own stuff – Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Otis Redding, Sly Stone OR had a direct tap to the great Motown writing teams. The writer is going to be less worried by covers. I shouldn’t think RR was upset when Aretha & Diana Ross covered ‘The Weight.’, The Band joined a select few (Lennon & McCartney, Jagger & Richards) in getting covers the other way round, And the covers were the hits. Putting The Band in the position of black artists a few years earlier.

I said in the earlier post that in Britain we saw material as ‘American"| rather than black or white. "American" was a plus. It may be that most cover versions diluted (bleached?) the originals and so crossed programming barriers and therefore gained wider sales.

The artists who felt most threatened at the time of the "invasion"were possibly The Four Seasons and the Beach Boys, but in both cases they went on to do better things as a result of the competition. As to the question, "Did Brian Wilson run out of steam in 1968?" you’d have to agree that they recycled and re-recorded "Smile" out-takes up to and including "Surf’s Up" and their early 70s run was partly fuelled by the others starting to write some good songs. But "Holland" has "Sail On sailor" (later performed by The Band with Blondie Chaplin) and "Funky Pretty" and even though these list four and three writers, when one is Brian Wilson you assume he deserves most of the credit. Whatever financial arrangements they’ve made, I’ll never think of the great rock composers as Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Lennon & McCartney, Van Morrison, Paul Simon and … Mike Love.

QuarterMoon – got your e-mail, but my reply came back Return to sender. Address "unknown". No such number. No such zone. Reminding us of who started the whole cover versions of black music debate.



Posted on Mon Feb 7 16:16:48 CET 2000 from (137.187.144.172)

Jonathan Katz

Check out this site for a "new" artist: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/lmds917.htm#susan

Band connection? Girlfriend of Derek Trucks [played w/ the guys on the Dylan tribute] of Allman Bros. fame. Also, she recently [12/20/99] guested with B. Zimmerman [burned it up in Bob's words].

I've waxed here before about Susan's most recent release "Just Won't Burn." With the recent discussion about old blues artists, check out a new one. This CD is great. [Her first isn't too shabby either.]


Posted on Mon Feb 7 14:28:39 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

Regarding the threads on black music which I have not been able to follow to closely--ye gods, I must work for a living!--there was a blacklisting of much "black" music in the late 1950s and early 1960s which allowed for the popularity of British Invasion groups who had easier radio access to the material, and thus bought more records, and used the sounds in their own music. As white musicians, they were also a little more acceptable to the still prevalent 1950s conservative American vision. At least this is one thought on the subject, and I would like to hear what Dr. Viney has to say on the issue. Note: Richard, my previous post was not made in nasty tone. I know tempers can flare over writings that were meant to be said where the voice would convey a congenial attitude. Same with "Dr. Viney."


Posted on Mon Feb 7 14:20:10 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

For god's sake Richard, the Beach Boys put out some fine, fine albums after 1968. Friends--well, released in 1968 is a sweetie and has a feel somewhat similar to The Band's music--much simpler than Pet Sounds or the aborted SMiLE, but every bit as charming. Wild Honey, Sunflower, and Surf's Up are also solid, and they even made a commercial comeback in the early 1970s.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 06:30:47 CET 2000 from proxy.bne.comcen.com.au (203.56.246.2)

Peter Howard

From: Brisbane, Australia

I was deeply sadened to read only yesterday of the passing of Rick Danko. I found this site and read many of the posting that followed his death. I was touched by the number of people who gave their accounts of meeting the man. I did not have that honour, nor did I ever see The Band live but like so many I have been uplifted by their music. The world is a sadder place for the loss of such a great musician and more importantly, by all accounts, an ordinary nice guy. My sympathy to all who knew and loved him. Peter


Posted on Mon Feb 7 06:23:17 CET 2000 from dialin36.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.36)

Kat de Montréal

From: le birthplace of poutine

Just got back from a superb concert featuring a performer I am sure no one on this site has ever heard of: Francis Cabrel. He's from France, must be pushing 50, a versatile and insightful songwriter who can go from total kick-ass rock and roll (thanks to his ace band) to the most achingly beautiful ballads that he performs alone with his acoustic guitar. He comes to Montreal infrequently (last time was 1993!). After Rick died, and the death knell tolled for The Band one final time, I deeply regreted missed opportunities to go and hear them and determined I would change my ways. So this time I was hell-bent on going to see Francis Cabrel and I am delighted I did. We never know when the chance to see the musicians we love and cherish will be snatched from us. So go out and support the music you love, go see the bands that you hold dear in your heart, while you can. It's a gift you can't count on forever.


Posted on Mon Feb 7 04:45:28 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-28-28.termserv.net (208.20.67.28)

TSaxMan16

From: My Bedroom

I just wanted to say thanks to my mom for the complements about the concert yesterday and on my solos. The show was fun and it was a great way to spend a day in my opinion... Of course, the solo's made things more interesting (thanks to mom again for the compliments ;-)) It's nice to know that there are still parents that care about us enough to take the time to watch the concerts that we put so much work into. I only say that cause I know a few kids whose parents don't think it's worth it to come and watch their child perform. While it may not be the most productive way to spend an afternoon, it's nice to show your support for your kids, who have the talent and ability to put on the show, and the teachers, that work just as hard if not harder than us. I'm not saying that parents hafta come to EVERY show, every apperance, cause that's impossible no matter what way you look at it. But at least come to some, let your kids know your proud. To the parents that do that (like my Mom) Thanks guys, we love you :). (Even if we don't always show it ;-))

I have to comment on what my mom said about "It's a good feeling to know that the future of music is in the hands of these kids." Just wanna point out that Korn isn't that old, either is Limp Bizkit... I don't listen to either, and I don't consider most of their stuff "music", but they're still the young people of tommorrow ;-). But I know whatcha meant... I think :).

"Thank god for the talent..." Yeah maybe we have the talent, but not the brains, I'm probably the only kid who could give himself a slight fat lip by knocking his trumpet (one of my hobbies) into the computer keyboard while playing... can't have it all I guess ;-)

Anyways, I've rambled on enough, thanks for listening, and thanks again to mom, from all the people at my school and the other schools (even though they haven't talked to me, I've sure they'd say thanks) for the compliments on the concert. Later people :).

TSM16


Posted on Mon Feb 7 02:03:32 CET 2000 from cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net (207.172.7.101)

Joe McKenna

I was wondering where I could find sites and or shops and stores on-line to purchase The Band t-shirts and hats and posters. I took a look at the website and didn't find exactly what I was looking for. I have found it difficult in locating Band merchandise. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Thank You..


Posted on Sun Feb 6 23:50:42 CET 2000 from ppp716.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.140)

Richard Patterson

From: "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", another Led Zeppelin tune, along with "Custard Pie", based on Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down".

Mike, regarding your thesis: 'The music that was most adversely effected by the British Invasion was the "top forty wonder bread music", not soul and r&b.' Under this misnomer, ("top forty wonder bread") you have listed the Beach Boys. In fact their careers did not hit the dirt at all, until Brian Wilson quite consciously (?) ran out of gas around '68. The artrists I refer to as being wiped out by the Brit invasion are people like; Phil Spector and his crew (Ronnie and the Ronettes, the Crystals, etc.), the Shirelles, Ben E King and the Drifters, the Coasters, and especially Bessie Banks (whom the Moody Blues covered about 20 minutes after "Go Now" was recorded). I agree though, that the blues hounds suffered a different fate. I think some resentment still exists because "black pop" (in the U. S.) was just then on the verge of a new popularity.

Thank you Pac, Pat B., and Peter V. for your input.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 19:41:12 CET 2000 from ip-179.dial.wans.com (64.7.64.179)

Molly Z.

hello. Anyone know the lyrics to If I Lose? let me know please. thanks.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 18:17:01 CET 2000 from 216-164-28-179.c4-0.crm-ubr1.crm.ny.cable.rcn.com (216.164.28.179)

Norman

From: NEW YORK

Does anyone know the last time Levon and Rick played together? I have a CD from a private party in Putnam County, on Aug 1,1999 and I think it is the last time they played together. Does anyone know if this is the case.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 15:42:42 CET 2000 from 206-57-107-236.nas3.mon.gblx.net (206.57.107.236)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

On the subject of young musical groups, Oxford Depot is playing at Bodle's Opera House this Fri (2/11) night. They play bluegrass/country/rock (at least that's what I'd call it). Their setlist includes "The Weight" and "Long Black Veil."

Bodle's is in Chester, NY, not far off route 17. Their phone number is (914) 469-4595.

Before posting this I checked Jan's concert dates page. The only Band related band playing the same night is the Honky Tonk Gurus, who are playing in Hartford, Ct. My first loyalty is to the Band family (Barnburners, Gurus, Garth, Eppard's band, etc.) But with no Band "family" gigs in our Hudson Valley area (that I'm aware of) on next Friday, I thought I'd mention the Oxford Depot/ Bodle's show. This band will surprise you.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 14:34:06 CET 2000 from pm3-013.efn.org (206.163.180.13)

deb

From: oregon

Good points: Young musicians are out there; and it is also nice when they jam with the older ones. A band to watch if anyone gets a chance (they are touring the West Coast these days) is The Sugar Beets. Fabulous, under 30-s mostly. They feature a kind of electrified Celtic rock with violins, mandolin, flute, and other assorted instruments. They are mind-blowing! Probably no Band tunes at this time, but maybe someone needs to put a bug in their ear. Gives me more ideas.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 13:30:16 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-25-217.termserv.net (208.20.67.184)

Diamond lil

After the mention of young people playing music, I heard a very impressive concert myself yesterday. Went to a Jazz festival , and heard a great version of Van's 'Moondance'..with an incredible sax solo done by my son. He also pretty much blew everyone away with Quincy Jones "Cool Joe, Mean Joe (Killer Joe)" and Duke Ellington's "C Jam Blues". Was one of the _best_ shows I've heard in awhile. Thank God for the talent and perserverence of our young people. It's a good feeling to know that the future of music is in the hands of these kids.

And speaking of the future of music, I'm patiently awaiting the release of Rick's new (and last..) cd. Be prepared for some very pleasant surprises..:-)

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 07:30:11 CET 2000 from (209.32.131.194)

Pete Rivard

From: Hastings, MN

Here's a post to all that despair that all the good music has already been played and sung, and all contemporary youngsters too clueless to play with any soul. Keep your eyes open for a twosome by the names of Paul Dandy and Ben Weaver. A couple of 20 year olds out touring in some rustbucket and playing small venues.

These guys look, and sound, like they just crawled through some tear in the time/space continuum linked directly to the Depression era Dustbowl. Real entertaining performers, with a respect and solid understanding of everything from vaudeville to Okie twang.

Not too likely to pound out a Band tune during one of their gigs, but a duo that Band fans can definitely appreciate, and that Band members would as well.

Some of their lyrics show their lack of years, but that, like good wine, is sure to improve with age.


Posted on Sun Feb 6 04:56:39 CET 2000 from abd45226.ipt.aol.com (171.212.82.38)

Liz

From: planet earth

ok Jan can write it. he deserves it.........


Posted on Sun Feb 6 04:47:12 CET 2000 from abd45226.ipt.aol.com (171.212.82.38)

Liz

From: Lake Ontario

does any one here realize the cumulative knowledge we all have .......I am obsessed with the knowledge and research, and love it, lets get together and write a book, E mail me.? no egos...... all cudos


Posted on Sun Feb 6 03:21:54 CET 2000 from spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.56)

Rick K

"Measure twice, cut once" - or at least, re-edit carefully - entered my teens in the Late Sixties - just took ten years to start thinking . . . Rick


Posted on Sun Feb 6 03:17:54 CET 2000 from spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.56)

Rick Kenworthy

From: T.O.

Re: Pat Brennan - Thanks for that info on the Rascals, loved it. As I entered my teens in the late seventies, I had found the music of the Rascals (and, in my mind, their Country counterparts, The Lovin Spoonful) to be the Real core of American White Soul - with all due respect to Mitch Ryder. And for pure Pop entertainment, I challenge anyone to name a better 2 and a half minute Car tune than 'Groovin'". Gets me every time . . . I always loved the Stax and Memphis sounds, and Motown and James Brown. Once the Beatles (followed by the Stones) went studio-tech crazy (ie Sgt. Peper), it was a godsend - at least to me - that The Band would bite me right in the ass with THAT SOUND. Sorry, don't want to get the whole world on fire here, but even at 13 years old I had the distinct feeling (without the benefit of hallucenigenics) that SGT. Pepper was THE END of something good, not the Beginning. Mind you, I like some of the ditties, but my personal 'Proof-in-the-pudding' is that my 19 year old would rather bang out "Ticket to Ride" or "8 Days a week" on the piano than any Pepper tune. (And he does a not so bad Ophelia, to boot). Rick


Posted on Sun Feb 6 00:48:35 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I just saw the 50's episode of the History of Rock and Roll last week. Very interesting. Talked about the Chicago and New Orleans blues scenes. Little Richard talked about Pat Boone doing Tutti Fruiti (that was horrible). LR seemed to take pleasure in the fact that Pat's record may have been on top of the dresser in white girl's bedrooms, but they played his more and it was safely hidden in their underwear drawer. It's a tragedy that the black artists didn't get the recognition that they deserved. But I'm glad that the music did come out eventually. I saw the Regis' "Fabulous 50's" infomericial last night. And I was expecting the "Fabulous 50's", you know the good stuff. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee etc. Well it wasn't. It was Dean Martin, Kay Starr, Doris Day - plain white bread with milk. What's so fabulous about that? Fats Domino was the only black artist. Which I thought was funny because in the History Of R'N'R it said that Fats was acceptable to whites in the 50's because he wasn't threatening. As I was watching this infomercial I said to my husband could you image if this was THE good stuff of the 50's. What if Rock and Roll had never been born (or ripped off as the case may be). I couldn't image what the world would be like, I wouldn't want to. Hail, hail rock and roll.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 23:57:45 CET 2000 from spider-to046.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.22)

Pac

Peter, thanks! I printed your entry for my music bookshelf. And I think Mike and I agree more than we realize! Sometimes on computer how things are said and taken can completely miss the mark. Yes, the Ronettes were my favorite too. I've been meaning to buy Ronnie Spector's autobiography and should give her newer music a listen.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 23:34:57 CET 2000 from pm3-085.efn.org (206.163.180.85)

deb

From: oregon

Just sitting here listening to "Best of The Band" and reading the liner notes from Michelle Shocked's "Arkansas Traveler." (By the way, Levon and Garth, amongst many other wonderful musicians, sit in on a song or two). Here are Michelle's thoughts on the influences of music, from her liner notes: "My early intention was to present this record with a cover photo of myself wearing blackface. Aside from providing controversy for hatemongers or offending the delicate sensibilities of the politically correct, my sincere intention was that it would provide a genuine focus on the real 'roots' of many of the tunes included; blackface minstrelsy. It's my contention that a blackface tradition is alive and well hidden, behind a modern mask. I believe that 'blacking up' should be done correctly; as an exploration for the source of that hollow ring we mistakenly believe was immaculately conceived in Las Vegas, and in a context of true respect for the cultures we ape. 'Does This Road Go To Little Rock?' is a songbook that has been published to provude further discussion on this subject. Included are lyrics and instrumental tablature for guitar and mandolin, historical photos from the blackface minstrel era and an illuminating booklet on Eurocentric High Culture's sordid little love affair with blackface minstrelsy written by Bart Bull, a music writer and music lover/fiancee. Available at retail or by mail." If anyone would like the addresses for getting the book, email me and I'll send along. Thanks, Michelle, for those pithy comments, and bye everyone, from Oregon.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 23:03:13 CET 2000 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Peter Viney

Pac & Mike: I’m trying to agree with both of you! The main feeding frenzy on black musician’s rightful credits was pre-The Beatles, who unlike others before them gave black artists correct credits. The reason the artists didn’t then benefit was that they’d been ripped off on the publishing in the first place. Other rippers-off included Dylan, who claimed to have written "It Hurts Me Too" (but so, falsely, did Elmore James) and several traditional folk songs, and … er … sorry, Ronnie Hawkins. In the Roulette days "Hawkins / Magill" credits appeared on songs by Chuck Berry (40 Days) among others. This was all down to signing pieces of paper for Maurice Levy, but Levon is implicated in that "You Cheated, You lied" was credited to Levon Helm. The following info is elsewhere on the site, and I’m repeating it (pasting it in, basically), so if you know, scroll on. It’s also anorak-detailed, but it’s a sample case for what happened thousands of times.

"You Cheated, You lied" had previously been a US # 12 hit for The Shields in the Fall of 1958. The Shields were covering an earlier release by a Texas group, The Slades, on Domino which got to #42 It was also covered by The Del-Vikings on Mercury. Composer credits are to ‘Burch’ on the earlier releases (i.e. pre Hawkins & The Hawks). Golden Age of American Rock ‘n’ Roll Volume 5 says it was put together in 1955 (which must be wrong) by George Motola who decided to cover the original hit by The Slades (this hit was actually in 1958). He was so anxious to cover this Texan hit that he guaranteed sales of 2000 copies. The Shields was a studio group, featuring Jesse Belvin, and the name was deliberately chosen to cause confusion. This is backed up by Ace Records information. To add to the complications The Slades had originally been called The Spades until someone objected (cf. the Crackers). There was an answer disc, I Cheated, also credited to Burch, sung by Joyce Harris (and backed by The Slades).

The Rolling Stone review of the 1969 re-issue of the Hawkins album says that it was ‘later (sic) a number 1 hit for The Shields’. The reviewer was Griel Marcus, who should have known better, but he was pretty far off the mark with his comment: ‘Think about this. Levon Helm reached more people with more impact with You Cheated than the Band has with Music From Big Pink’.

The Shangri-Las later recorded You Cheated (You Lied), and credited it to Levon Helm. The story behind these credits took some research. I’m indebted to doo-wop expert Bill Millar for clearing it all up. It seems that the song was written by Don Burch, the lead singer of The Slades, and published by Balconer Music, as was The Shields version. The Roulette versions, credited to Helm, are published by Patricia Music, a company named after Roulette boss Maurice Levy’s wife. Roulette was a mob company and they put names, real or non-existent, on composer credits in case there was any money in it. Bill Millar points out that songs by Larry Williams, Billy Emerson and Young Jesse may have been credited to Hawkins-MacGill on first release (and later "corrected"). On the CD release of Mr Dynamo, Cuck Willis’s "Southern Love" is credited to "Hawkins / MacGill / Helm". Incidentally, Ronnie Hawkins has said he doesn’t know even who MacGill was. Whatever… the money would have gone to Roulette and Levy rather than Ronnie or Levon. In another Roulette example outright gangster Gaetano Vartela received song credits. When I posted the above information previously, Bill Munson added that Magill was Jacqueline Magill, Levy’s girlfriend. She gets co-credits on 13 songs on the first two albums.

The 60s bands, both American & British were either too dumb or too honest to carry on ripping off the people who created the music. In The Beatles case, too talented themselves to need to. In Brian Wilson’s case, he got caught on "Surfing USA" and rightfully had to pay Chuck Berry. Jagger worshipped at James Brown’s feet, as did Sir Paul at Little Richard’s feet.

Pac – have you heard Ronnie Spector’s stuff from last year or the year before? I also admired The Ronettes circa 1963! Glad you put them first.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 22:48:17 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Why is it that some of the best American music of the '60s and '70s is only avaiable from Australia or England? I just got Australian Raven Records' great anthology by The Youngbloods (EUPHORIA 1965-1969) and two albums by the group Seatrain on one disc from EMI UK. The latter includes the work of drummer Larry Atamanuik, who spent some time playing with Ronnie Hawkins and these days tours with the wonderful bluegrass star Alison Krauss.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 22:36:47 CET 2000 from spider-tq074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.79)

Pac

From: SF

Misty, you might want to try Bibliofind or MxBookfinder on the internet. They list used books. Don't know when the updated edition will be coming out. Enjoy! It's a great read!


Posted on Sat Feb 5 21:52:22 CET 2000 from ppp-34.ts-10-bay.nyc.idt.net (169.132.217.226)

Eddie Hodel

From: Queens, New York

I had the pleasure of seeing the magic of GARTH HUDSON last night at the Bottom Line in NYC along with Professor Louie and the Crowmatix, special guest Tom Malone on horns. They sounded great, playing some BAND tunes (Don't Wait and Endless Highway were highlights, the latter was dedicated to Rick) as well as some blues standards. I think us BAND fans can be assured that the songs are going to live on as long as Aaron Hurwitz is around. I only hope that, in memory of Rick, Garth and Louie continue to play together and that more fans come out to support their live shows, they're well worth it.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 21:32:59 CET 2000 from 24-216-10-226.hsacorp.net (24.216.10.226)

MISTY

From: KENTUCKY,USA

BAND FAN: I am interested in purchasing Levon Helm's book, "This Wheel's on Fire". I have ordered it only to be told that it is unavailable from the publisher. Do you know how I could get a copy of that book; or could you verify that Levon has decided to add to his book. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


Posted on Sat Feb 5 20:17:11 CET 2000 from spider-wc034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.34)

Pac

From: SF

Mike, I don't mean to get into an argument, and agree that later on surely Little Richard did benefit from Keith Richards' praises. But Little Richard was already in the recording studio in 1952 when Jagger was only 9 and Keith, 8. He played the Black music circuit and toured with people like the Johnny Otis Orchestra before his big 1955 hit "Tutti Frutti" crossed over to a wider market. Then that same year Pat Boone came out with a nauseating cover of Fats Domino's "Ain't That a Shame" which went to #1 on the charts, then "Tutti Frutti." My history's not muddled; I was born in 1950 and as the youngest, had the advantage of dancing to all my older siblings' great 45s while still in diapers, and my mom's records from the '30s and '40s. We had music going all the time and those little transistor radios to our ears listening to all the NY stations till we drifted off to sleep. (And we, too, could pick up the West Virginia stations and listen to great harmonies late Sunday nights.) My sister also took me to the Brooklyn Fox Theatre for those great R&B shows. Motown came later; I didn't like it and preferred the Ronettes, Ike&Tina, Booker T, James Brown, the Beatles, and definitely the Stones! Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that when the time finally came for black artists to clean up on the wider (b&w) market, many lost out to the white cover versions and bands like the Stones emulating their work. And the Beatles overshadowed everyone. I saw an interesting documentary last week that made the point that the nation (U.S.) needed the simplicity, structure, harmony and upbeat energy of the Beatles at that time after JFK's assassination. I agree. One of my favorite videos is the T.A.M.I. Show where you see James Brown's feet working that smooth floor, then a very young Jagger comes out and does his moves. I loved them all! We bought them all and we played them all. I'm not trying to be divisive. But I do feel bad about many great performers finally hitting bigtime through their hard work then losing it all so fast to cover versions or change or however you want to perceive it. I'm just glad I live out here where there's so much ethnic diversity and such an interesting music scene. Can't wait to visit back east this summer though. Hopefully Levon & the Barnburners will still be playing there. All the best!


Posted on Sat Feb 5 20:01:42 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: lost in austin

bob wyman, great story, well told. thanks

I forget who mentioned the Resurection of Pigboy Crabshaw, but what a great album.

Scott: I got a blue book that listed a few of the Wolf's influences, lets see what I remember. Wolf was introduced to the harmonica by Rice Miller, (Sonny Boy Williamson II) who as described in TLW, had quite a thing going with the Hawks. One had married the others sister as I remember it but the details escape me at the moment. Wolf picked cotton and worked his ass off in the heat of the Mississippi Delta in his youth, which is what you did if you were on the plantation and black in those days. The blues began in those cotton fields in the form of "Field Hollers". Songs were sung and refrained by groups of workers working to the beat physically and singing stories off the top of their head, improvised. Wolf grew up in this tradition which by the way is described in visceral detail in Alan Lomax's book called, "The Land Where the Blues Began"- the reality behind this music is rather unreal, best described perhaps as the ultimate surreal/existential nightmare. Musicians that inspired the Wolf in these days include the great Charlie Patton, and Robert Johnson, who the Wolf was introduced to by Sonny Boy. Of course there were many others as during this time the land was just reeking of the music (to paraphrase RR's description) Son House was another important guitarist to the young Wolf. Vocally, the Wolf was influenced intrestingly enough by some white blues singers of the time such as Jimmie Rodgers, taking the yodeling style of these performers and twisting the resonance and tone into the guttural Wolf Howl that he is known for. His real name was Chester Burnett, BTW, The Howlin' Wolf moniker came from his awe inspiring howl which has terrified musical fans all of the world and continues to do so. Wolf left the cotton fields of the Delta for WWII but saw no combat, he was stationed in Seattle, something we fans of his can be very grateful for. Many, many bluesmen of genius were not so lucky to live long enough to get recorded for all kinds of other reasons as well. After the war Wolf went to Memphis and worked as a dee-jay and as one can imagine, developed a rich library of sounds and influences that formed his musical/aesthetic philosophy.

What the Wolf essentially ended up doing in his mature work was deconstruct the blues. while lyrically singing along the basic I-IV-V patterns his band would stay on the I chord thruoughout the entire song, eventually just burning a wicked groove that had hypnotic power. It was certainly not a case of a less than competent band, as evidenced by some of the very sophisticated jazzy runs of guitarist Willie Johnson or Otis Spann on the piano. it was a way of getting to the very core of what the blues were to the wolf, the vocalization, the trancelike rhythm, thje simple, immediate image.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 18:27:38 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

Pac…I think your history is a little muddled. Most of the initial resentment was in the middle to late 1950’s, when covers by Pat Boone, Kay Starr, The McGuire Sisters, etc., stole the market share of the songs by Little Richard, Fats Domino, The Spaniels, etc. – the original “race records” (The music our boys listened to on those 100,000 watt stations in the middle of the night!) Little Richard and Bo Diddley have spoken at length about this. (See the latest “Fabulous Fifties” infomercial with Regis Philbin for a great example.) When The Beatles hit in 1964, Motown artists like Ben E. King, Smoky Robinson and The Supremes were at first concerned, but not for long. Motown kept right on rolling along, and many of the old Blues and R&B artists at last began to see some kind of payday. Not nearly enough, I’m sure, but it was a start. I’ve heard Little Richard and others offer thanks to the Stones and others many times for opening doors.

On a lighter note, I just got Rick’s Bass video. Someone mentioned la week or so ago about the Blues number at the end…They were right…It’s GREAT! Rick sings “I’m Just Your Fool,” with Happy Traum on acoustic guitar, Shredni on harmonica and a drummer. If this is typical of Rick’s smaller gigs with Levon, Paul Butterfield and others, I’d sure like to find some tapes. Please e-mail me if you’d like to trade. Thanks. Enjoy your Saturday…I’m at work :(


Posted on Sat Feb 5 17:03:01 CET 2000 from dialin-212.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.46)

Gene

Peter - Mark Knopfler wrote and plays guitar on one song, Are We In Trouble Now, on Randy Travis' "Full Circle" album. I recommend listening to that one - very tasteful C&W.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 17:01:13 CET 2000 from user-33qta04.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.4)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Having recently succumbed to my cyclical Rascals obsession, I find the thread here quite interesting. As has been amusedly discussed here before, the Rascals share some surprising roots with the Band. A more direct connection would be guitarist Buzzy Feiten who played with Butterfield then took Gene Cornish's place in the Columbia-era Rascals. That discussion is in the GB archives somewhere and it is rather amusing for anyone who might be interested. However, one point came up in my recent review of liner notes, etc. It seems the ebb of the Rascals' popularity coincided with a decision they made that 50% of the support crew, performers, etc at their concerts had to be black. As a result, they cancelled an Ed Sullivan appearance, could not tour in the South, in other words, comitted professional suicide. Still, they left quite a body of "blue-eyed soul" as it was called, one of the few white groups that honestly purveyed soul music. Just like another group we all know and love.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 16:24:36 CET 2000 from du-tele3-028.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.28)

Peter Viney

British invasion groups:

What always struck me about Levon & The Hawks, from the odd bits and pieces of info on their set list, is that their repetoire was very much like some of the British invasion groups. See the Moondog Matinee article I did a couple of years ago (under articles). And the stuff they covered wasn’t by "white" artists. Some British bands, like Mayall, were definitely blues. The Beatles used to mine both the rock (Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Larry Williams) and soul areas – The Marvelletes, Arthur Alexander, Isley Bros, The Miracles, Little Eva. The Stones had an ear for rock (Chuck & Bo) and both real blues (Jimmy Reed, Slim Harpo) and soul (Don Covay, Bobby Womack, Alvin Robinson). It was all white bands picking up on black music, but the Brit bands and Levon & The Hawks also approached it with genuine devotion and a degree of raunch, whereas U.S. performers like Pat Boone used the tune, but took away all the guts.

I think it was easier for British bands to appropriate black forms, because (a) they didn’t have local competition from the real thing (b) the demand was there for the music, and in those days clubs were live music, and the only way you could get "black" music in Europe was in a local version by Georgie Fame, or Manfred Mann or whoever. Manfred Mann, before they hit big, played around my area, and then had a late night TV show explaining and exploring the blues in a pretty serious way. Black performers who settled in Britain, like Geno Washington, were working seven days a week.

By 1960 / 61, blues artists like John Lee Hooker and Muddy Waters were just beginning to crossover into the coffee house circuit in the US. (Hooker claims that he was the one who kick-started Dylan’s career by advising Grossman to sign the young Dylan). On the back of their success at Newport, blues artists were signed to European tours. As Hooker said "The first time I went to Europe was 1962, and boy, it was like the President or Jesus coming in … every night was a sell out. Standing room only. No matter how big the place was. I got bigger over there than I was in the USA, much bigger." T-Bone Walker said much the same. They were big in the UK, but even bigger in France and Denmark and Germany. Hooker had a major hit single in France and was playing large theatres, while he was playing small bars in the USA.

The tours inspired British bands to imitate. And I’ll quote it before anyone else does … "Those British guys want to play the blues so bad. And they do. Play them so bad." (Sonny Boy Williamson, reported by Robbie Robertson). OK, OK. Whatever, there was a blues boom in Europe which kept those artists prepared to travel in work for years.

I agree with Mike. The Stones and The Animals etc broadened the market for blues artists. They didn’t affect the soul market to anything like the same degree, and soul artists seemed to benefit much less, but soul sold hugely in the UK as it does to this day. If you want the obscure soul sides. you have to go to British compilations. Some soul artists got stuck firmly on their existing soul circuits. Others like Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, The Temptations used the cross-fertilisation to create music that appealed across any barriers.

We never had segregated venues (legally or customary) either. That helped. In the early 60s a British band might do Chuck Berry covers and Eddie Cochran covers, and wouldn’t think of them as "black" and "white". They were both just "American." Because The Hawks were playing in Canada, maybe their repetoire could be seen in the same way.

Richard P. asked about C&W (as we still quaintly call it). Yes, it’s huge in the UK. As is line-dancing. If you’re interested in the rather bizarre world of British C & W, there’s a good book by Stephen Walsh "Heartache Spoken Here" (Penguin). It’s sub-titled "an offbeat journey through Country & Western music, Britain & divorce". It all seems to be involved with dressing up in cowboy clothes, and no, British C&W groups don’t generally cross back to the US. But look at the cover notes of "Confederate Tales" – (White Mansions / Jesse James) &writer Paul Kennerly is British, and the sleeve notes say "British country music is generally (and correctly) regarded with considerable suspicion". Then lists musicians Albert Lee (Everly Bros), Pat McInerney (Don Williams), Wes McGhee (Garth Brooks) & Mark Knopfler’s album with Chet Atkins. Kennerly’s most important collaborator to my mind was Levon Helm.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 13:21:06 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-06-198.termserv.net (208.20.67.165)

Diamond Lil

From: pre pms central

Yikes! Spent the night with 8 ten year old girls here for a sleepover. Last I heard from them was about 5 in the am...and now they finally seem to have dropped in their tracks (two of em are still sitting up!). I suppose that means the party was a success, as the rule for girls is if you go to a sleepover and get very little sleep..you had a good time :-)

Have survived hours (and hours and hours and hours) of Backstreet Boys tunes, not to mention that I can now name the 5 cuuuutest boys in the 4th grade. And so..as the troops finally sleep, I soothe myself with "Breeze Hill" and thank God for the man and the music.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 12:58:51 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa042.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.147)

Sean

From: Melbourne

You would not believe it but it's currently illegal for me to be using my computer. Industrial action has mean the closing of our main power plant so we are being rationed, i can't even use the VCR!! Well enough of that, I agree with Mike who mentioned that it was mostly the teen idols of the early sixties who were banished from the charts. Soul and R&B continued to prosper with the likes of Wilson Pickett and Otis Redding hitting the charts. Just one point Bobby Vinton had a number one hit during 1964 and continued to reach the top ten up until 1973. I'm still trying to get a copy of Live on Breeze Hill but it doesn't seem to have gained a commercial release here. Does anyone know how I could obtain a copy?


Posted on Sat Feb 5 10:02:26 CET 2000 from syru204-178.syr.edu (128.230.204.178)

A Fappiano

From: CT

I guess now I'll just have to be content with listening to the records and the tapes. It just hit me today. I guess like everyone else in here I always kinda held on to the hope that maybe....someday down the line the guys would work out their troubles and we'd see the remaining members go around the country for one last time...Play the old hits with Robbie, Levon, Rick, and Garth. While I understand it never would have been the same (or even close) without Richard, I think the remaining four could have done something special if they got back together one more time. I saw the Band perform in the summer of 1996 at the Starlake Ampitheatre in Latham, NY just north of Albany. Kind of a rinky-dink venue. It even had a rotating stage, the first I've eve seen outside of Vegas or Atlantic City. Even though Richard and Robbie weren't there, I was absolutely spellbound by the whole show. I can only imagine what it would have been like if they threw Robbie into the mix. But as I just realized a few minutes ago, Rick is dead. I guess it just took a long time for it to set in. Levon has lost his voice. So now I have to accept the fact that there will be no blockbuster reunion tour. It just makes me realize how lucky we are to even have the albums at all. I mean, the majority of the music that comes out today can’t hold a candle to Big Pink or the brown album….and that’s a fact, not an opinion. All I can do now is thank god for allowing me to be touched, inspired, and changed by the music of the Band. They saved my life…Allowed me to put a cd in my stereo and know that I was not alone. They really understood how things go sometimes. So now I ask all of you out there who have also been touched to put on your favorite album and sit back and enjoy it. While you’re listening, realize that what you’re hearing is one of a kind…But take comfort in the fact that you can enjoy it…Cause God only knows where we’d be without them… -.A.F.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 08:15:33 CET 2000 from spider-wc013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.23)

Pac

From: SF CA

Sorry Mike, but I think Pat Brennan's right. I've seen many, many documentaries and interviews of R&B/soul performers of the '50s and '60s and they all make the same points: there was resentment about white covers coming out soon after African American performers had a hit, and the British Invasion stole the market at a point where "race records" were finally crossing over to a much broader, white audience. Little Richard talks about it passionately. When the younger African American kids then turned off to the whole blues market, the performers suffered. It sickened me a decade ago to see great Chicago blues performers on tour in MA paid $500 for the whole band, while rock musicians' salaries were off the charts! Yet I'm eternally grateful for the British Invasion performers (Mayall, Stones) and The Band leading me to "the source."


Posted on Sat Feb 5 06:59:45 CET 2000 from proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.153)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

In response to what Charie Young pointed out that the Danko Fjeld & Anderson show I attended in '93 being "almost empty" I need to add that Colorado Springs is notorious for fickle music audiences and I don't think it reflects at all on the caliber of talent. I have attended numerous shows here that I guessed should ave bee SRO only find a small turnout. On the bright side it tends to make the experience more intimate!


Posted on Sat Feb 5 05:57:50 CET 2000 from user-33qt9ad.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.77)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Ah, now that the silliness has died down....I recall one of those History of Rock things on PBS. In an interview with an early 60's soul star (can't recall which one), the singer said one day everything was going great, the next day the Beatles hit and the career was in the toilet. Re: Hollywood Bowl. The boot is from the famous Rubber Dubber series of the early 70's. A great package, by the way, with a wonderful picture of the boys on stage in the foldout and a great shot from Garth's rear on the back. "Real Old Time Band" was the title. Rubber Dubber released a number of boots, including Hendrix at the Filmore if my memory serves me well. And it cost all of five bucks. My copy still plays great.


Posted on Sat Feb 5 04:52:17 CET 2000 from pm3-066.efn.org (206.163.180.66)

deb

From: oregon

Hey Brien sez: So true. I work in television (Operations Engineer), so I have been hearing sweeps jokes all week. You know, where we tell the news anchors (female, of course) that our ratings will go up if they wear low-cut blouses; yuck, yuck, but so true. So, I figure if Robbie showed up somewhere with Monica Lewinsky on one arm and Barbra Streisand on the other, he might get "somewhere." Where that "somewhere" is, heaven only knows. I had the good fortune to hear THE Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein, The Watergate Scandal exposers) speak a couple of years ago about the "Rupert Murdoch" school of journalism. He basically said as long as the public eats up the garbage they are fed, they will keep getting more. And, as one wise soul wrote on a restroom wall somewhere, "At the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry."


Posted on Sat Feb 5 03:48:20 CET 2000 from proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.43)

Scott

A "friend" just gave me "Live At The Hollywood Bowl 1970" - As I write this I am listening to "Time To Kill". Sound qulaity is fair. Made a few Onkyo adjustments and it sounds just fine for a boot. It also sounds like it was recorded from an LP !! Anyway, It's not bad. The sound quality isn't great, but you get enough of a decent audio to enjoy the album. At this moment, a wonderful long Garth interlude (Genetic Method, I guess ) - into Chest Fever. If you see or can locate this cd, it's worth the coin. Go Garth !!!! WOW....


Posted on Sat Feb 5 03:27:26 CET 2000 from spider-wn043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.168)

Mike

Richard P. - You said regarding the British Invasion groups, "[They]...collectively wiped out the entire audience for American soul in the U.S. They did this by replacing this music with their own versions of the same songs." I don't quite agree. They hardly affected the Soul and R&B market at all. They had a disastrous effect on the "pop" market: Connie Francis, Bobby Rydell, Bobby Vee, Bobby Vinton, The Beach Boys and Jan & Dean, even Elvis to a degree. Motown, Stax and Atlantic kept right on rolling. Guys like Muddy, Sonny Boy, B.B. King, Willie Dixon, Slim Harpo, Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, etc., enjoyed a resurgence because of the Stones and The Animals, but the music that was most adversley affected by the British Invasion was the Top 40 Wonder Bread music, not soul and R&B.

Please...No flames...On the VH1 specials...I was kind of miffed that there wasn't one on The Band. I know Robbie got his own, but why wasn't there one for the whole band? They had a tremendous impact - as a band - on popular music. Just wondering.

Going back a few weeks here...On The Band palimony suit...I figure Ronnie Hawkins was the father of The Hawks. Dylan may be the father of The Band, but I think Roy Buchanan should get an honorable mention. Why? Because he's the one who either planted the seed, or at least confirmed the fact that the music should be the draw, not leg kicks and backflips (flip forward: leather pants, snakes, light shows, fog, "big hair", etc.) How the boys turned from being one of the tightest of R&B bands into The Band of Big Pink, et al, has been a mystery to me for a long while. But I'll always be thankful to Roy for at least confirming that truth in the early days. Thanks Roy!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 23:48:13 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Adolf

Serge must be a student of military history. In that context, what he said about Limeys probably shouldn’t be taken as racist at all. Some WW II historians believe that the Germans were great at taking a position, the English at keeping a position and the French at giving up without any fight whatsoever.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 23:20:44 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

For those who haven't seen the RR Behind the Music- it is very good, even though RR is a bit full of himself. BUT the real reason i'm here is let you know why you will most likely not see the RR VH-1 episode ---It's because it's sweeps month in TV.

Since i work in television as a producer i can tell you that the money is in people watching Boy George, Cher, Vanilla Ice, etc.., For as much of a shame as that is - They know (VH-1)more people will tune into those episodes - It also doesn't help Robbies cause that he's a tough fit into those various catagories. As well produced an episode as his is--SWEEPS month is all ratings. The higher the ratings, the more they can charge advertisers. And they do ratings on cable stations.

So unless they get a huge outpouring of votes and then that might not even cut it - don't expect to see Robbies episode in any prime slot this month. Sorry folks but that is how it will most likely shake out.

Carmen: How about RR taking some of his great moments from the last two albums and combining them with elements from his first two -- I think that would be interesting!



Posted on Fri Feb 4 23:20:07 CET 2000 from pm3-074.efn.org (206.163.180.74)

deb

From: oregon

Hey all you music mavens: Thanks for the music history lessons. Don't forget, though, the fabulous Yardbirds, who launched three of the best guitarists to the world music scene in the 60s: Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, and Eric Clapton. These guys were, collectively, the underappreciated bad boys of rock; and, IMHO, much more interesting than the Rolling Stones could ever be. Their covers of old blues, R & B, and soul classics can't be beat: Too Much Monkey Business, I'm A Man, Smokestack Lightning, The Train Kept A-Rollin', and others.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 23:09:49 CET 2000 from xcdfdc7be.ip.ggn.net (205.253.199.190)

Gypesewoman

I thought this board was about The Band and Music. Please Tim(Sundog) and Serge take your personal childish squabbling to your own personal E-mails. Thanks!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 22:36:50 CET 2000 from 111.philadelphia-10-15rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.247.111)

carmen

From: pa

Hey make sure you all do the VH1 vote thing Mattk pointed out. I would like to see this since I did not see it the first time around.

On the RR thing, I am hoping for another release like Storyville rather then his 2 latest.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 22:15:09 CET 2000 from client-114-201.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.201)

Bumbles

From: The Back Room

BILL: Right. Bert Berns, who wrote the "Goodbye Baby" I was thinking of, was a principal in both Shout and its sibling NYC-based label, Bang. In a set-up that wasn't uncommon 35 years ago, soul acts like Erma Franklin and Freddie Scott appeared on Shout while Bang was reserved for "pop" product from the likes of (Band/TLW connection coming up) Van Morrison and Neil Diamond.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 21:48:29 CET 2000 from ppp612.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.36)

Richard Patterson

From: North America

Hey Bud, I'm shocked and pleased to learn that Nick Drake has made it to American TV commercials. For you Englishmen who don't know your own backyard, the recommended albums are 'Bryter Layter' (apparantly a typical English weather report ?), and 'Five Leaves Left' (a reference to running out of rolling papers). A brilliant talent who worked with John Cale _and_ Richard Thompson (very cross-cultural that).


Posted on Fri Feb 4 21:24:03 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Bumbles: I used to have a 45 by that Freddie Scott. It was on Shout, the same label on which appeared Irma (Erma?) Franklin's immortal original version of "Piece Of My Heart".


Posted on Fri Feb 4 21:06:18 CET 2000 from (208.11.92.2)

Bud

From: Cleveland

Quick follow-up re music and commercials: Since the Volkswagon commercial featuring "Pink Moon" has been airing, the Nick Drake album on which it appears has been selling at four times its normal rate. When an artist is as underappreciated as Nick Drake, the commercial exposure surely isn't a bad thing.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 21:03:32 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

MattK: Thanks for making me aware that VH1 actually did a RR Behind the Music. I can't believe it. They are replayed here on a Canadian station but I'm starting to think they only bought the rights to 3 episodes, Cher, Boy George, and Iggy Pop. They're all you see over and over, now I'll have to keep my eyes open for RR. Thanks


Posted on Fri Feb 4 20:59:34 CET 2000 from (208.11.92.2)

Bud

From: Cleveland

matt k:

I too saw the iMac commercial featuring "Forever Young." I find it funny that I never much cared for the song (in any version), but I was somehow pleased to see it used in the ad. I was even tempted to dust off a few versions and give 'em a listen. Normally I have the opposite reaction - once a song becomes an advertising hook, I tend to lose interest. (I blame Neil Young, if it weren't for "This Note's For You," I probably wouldn't mind the marriage of a tasteful and creative ad with a great song; but, Neil threw the gauntlet down and made it an issue of artistic integrity, damn him.)

Anyway, the Levi's commercial featuring the invisible people disrobing to Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On" started to change my mind about this whole music/advertisement thing. Sure, I'm a little bummed out that people who don't know who Marvin Gaye was/is are suddenly declaring "Oh, I love this song!" but I felt that the commercial was so well done that it at least did the song justice (unlike the commercial featuring "The Weight," what was it Diet Coke?). The Levi's commercial is both sexy and tasteful, just like the song. It doesn't hurt that those invisible people are remarkably well built - did anyone notice that the shapely invisible woman isn't wearing any foundation garments? Those can't be real.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 20:51:21 CET 2000 from client-151-198-146-90.bellatlantic.net (151.198.146.90)

Bumbles

From: High on a Hilltop

BILL: Thought the reference might have been to New York soul singer Freddie Scott, who did cut the original version of "Goodye Baby (Baby Goodbye)," which was later covered Van Morrison.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 20:06:46 CET 2000 from dialin-251.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.85)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

Next time I go to that darn desert island, I'm taking "The Resurrection of Pigboy Crabshaw", too.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 19:50:41 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

From: tv land

Well, at the risk of stirring up some more bad blood, VH-1 is holding a contest where viewers get to vote for their favorite "Behind the Music." The top vote-getters will air during a special week on VH-1.

VH-1 apparently feels that airing the Vanilla Ice or Boy George episodes of "Behind the Music" 5,000 times is better than airing the RR episode even once. Personally, I've not seen it, and would like to very much. Other folks who are interested can vote for RR's episode @ http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/btm_decision_2000/

Apparently, they are breaking up the week by themes ("Bad Boys," "Teen Idols," "80s Artists," etc. Robbie does not fit in any of their standard catagories, so you have to select him from the pull-down menu at the top of the page.

This is a good chance to get in on yet another vote, this time with a real reward of getting to see the RR special, and compete for "most popular" status.

Don't know if multiple votes count, but hop on over to the Vh-1 website and cast your vote(s).

matt


Posted on Fri Feb 4 19:14:34 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Anybody else catch the new Apple IMac commercial that features an acoustic verion of "Forever Young?"


Posted on Fri Feb 4 19:09:48 CET 2000 from proxy-625.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.185)

Scott

Hey, Levon and The Barn Burners !!!! I seem to be the only whiny soul complaining about the middle of the week shows.... How about a weekend show, PLEASE !!!!!!! The only chance I have to see you on Wednesday is in April. I sure hope you are still playing...I wonder if you guys are going to release a cd ? That would be fun.... Anyone who agrees with a weekend show, make some noise !!!!.....Been listening to The Howling Wolf Box Set the past couple of weeks. Talk about talent. His unique voice certainly sets him apart from anything I have ever heard in blues. What were his influences ??


Posted on Fri Feb 4 19:00:30 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Correction: "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde" was released on Feb. 3, 1968.

Speaking of soul music--James Brown recorded "Please Please Please" at radio station WIBB in Macon, Georgia on this day (Feb. 4) in 1955.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 18:51:18 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

CLARENCE WHITE & "THIS WHEEL'S ON FIRE"

In 1968 the Byrds recorded several different versions of Bob Dylan & Rick Danko's "This Wheel's On Fire." Two fast tempo takes were recorded in October of that year followed by two different versions taped on December 4. The latter version from December 4 was included on the album "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde", which was released thirty-one years ago today.

This often-overlooked album marked a turning point in the history of the Byrds. Founding member, bassist Chris Hillman and Gram Parsons had departed following the release of the ground-breaking "Sweethearts of the Rodeo." Roger McGuinn recruited guitarist extraordinaire Clarence White (who had done session work on three previous albums), along with drummer Gene Parsons and bassist John York. On "Dr Byrds & Mr. Hyde" McGuinn's trademark 12-string Rickenbacker sound would take a backseat to Clarence White's string-bending licks, showcased in a group of songs that blended country with science fiction inspired tunes. Producer Bob Johnson, who had also worked with Dylan, evidently had a hand in molding this experimental new direction in sound. According to Byrds biographer Johnny Rogan, Gene Parsons said Johnson "...made us do some weird things--like, he made me tune my snare so loose that the head was hanging over the drum. He wanted that kind of sound." This leads me to believe that Johnson had listened closely to The Band's "Music From Big Pink" and wanted to duplicate Levon's drum sound with the Byrds.

In 1997 Columbia / Legacy released beautifully remastered, expanded editions from the Byrds catalog, from their first album through "Ballad of Easy Rider." Of all these releases, surprisingly "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde" is one of the best sounding. Each album in this series includes session out-takes and rare singles as bonus cuts. The expanded edition of "DB&MH" includes the officially released version of "This Wheel's On Fire" as well as the previously unissued first take that was recorded on 12/4/68.

According to Johnny Rogan's song notes accompanying the CD, Clarence White preferred this earlier take, and upon listening it's easy to see why. On the alternate version, the fuzz-drenched guitar of the latter take is replaced with the natural sound of Clarence's string-bending Telecaster. White, along with Gene Parsons, had designed a device known as the Parsons / White string-bender. This mechanism, consisting of a series of spring-loaded rods mounted in a hollowed-out cavity in the solid body of the guitar, enabled White to raise the pitch of the B string as he played, duplicating the sound of the pedal steel guitar. One end of the mechanism was attached to the B- string and the other was fastened on the strap nut. The string bends were "triggered" by pulling the guitar downward against the strap.

Thanks to the new expanded version of "DB&MH" we can now enjoy two completely different sounding versions of "This Wheel's On Fire." Although I like the pure string-bending sound of Clarence's guitar on the alternate take, to me McGuinn's vocals are stronger on the latter version. Check it out and judge for yourself.

(Source material comes from the well-researched & informative CD liner notes written by David Fricke, along with Johnny Rogan's definitive notes on the individual songs, both included in the DB&MH expanded edition's booklet.)


Posted on Fri Feb 4 17:54:16 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Buddy: At work I often listen to a wonderful CD called "The Bauls of Bengal: Traditional Folk Songs of India" (Legacy International CD 429). Group includes Purna, Luxman, Jiban, Sudhananda and Hare Krishna Das and Thomas Donovan. Not as good as their Big Pink effort, but at least its on CD.

Bumbles: John's right - It was Jack, not Freddie, Scott. But is the guy really dead? And since he was from Windsor, Ontario, would he ever have run into Paul London and the Capers?


Posted on Fri Feb 4 17:49:06 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73104.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.103)

Richard Patterson

From: 1 score and 16 years ago ...

Those who hate history, please scroll by.

Peter Viney: That the U.K. has a propensity for American soul is a fact. It started with the Beatles, Animals, Stones and Manfred Mann who collectively wiped out the entire audience for American soul in the U.S. They did this by replacing this music with their own versions of the same songs. In Ben E. King's words, "all the signs were there that the music that was being created right here at home was going to be tremendously big, then all of a sudden these kids came along and stopped all that, and um, it was a strong pill to swallow. I think the only one that survived out of that was someone like James Brown, because he was so far to the left of what they were doing it didn't affect him". I myself don't think this shift in focus and success (from an American perspective) came about so much because these kids were British so much as because they were white. (It was a double whammy - music from an exotic isle _and_ the "Pat Boone Effect")

Speaking as a Canadian, I know we have hungrily devoured all types of music from the U.K. and I'm sure North American sales of British music regularly beat the British sales numbers. Obviously, there is an attraction for music that is not from your own backyard, and I'm sure this attraction exists on both sides of the pond. This lingering attraction may be the reason for Macy Gray's big sales numbers over there. I understand that country and western is big in the U.K. Has anyone there attemped a raid on Nashville ? No. How come? Because the ones that would attempt it are already white. Now, reggae ... that's another story.

Levon Helm ... please move your act out of Woodstock (at least once in a while) ... the Tralfamadore cafe in Buffalo would be happy to have you!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 17:49:45 CET 2000 from 24-216-4-15.hsacorp.net (24.216.4.15)

Theresa

From: MN

I was just listening to TLW and when I heard Young come on and it reminded me of the mix up of words that a couple of you discussed awhile back..It got me thinking of how many times we interpet words differently...I'm sure it's happened to all of you...Where you've sung a song for years thinking you had the words right only to find out they're all wrong...I've got a funny one..."Funeral for a Friend"..Elton John. The words are "Love lies bleeding in my hand. It kills me to think of you with another man" I thought for a long time he said "I love that feeling in my hand. I can't help but think what I can do with another man"....LOL..I kept thinking everytime I heard the song 'Geez Elton!! We all know you are gay...Why do you have to ruin a good song??!" Anyways,Some of you guys gotta lighten up..K?...I like the way Matt signs off with "peace"...Simple.. but over the head for some of you...:)


Posted on Fri Feb 4 17:38:44 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Butch: any chance that Levon & the Barnburners will be taking their show on the road? I think there are plenty of us who would like to watch them "make some good stuff happen" -- please let us know if any touring plans arise. Thanks!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 17:02:18 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

i used to love coming to this bar, but it seems that a bunch of surly drunks have taken over the place, making it difficult for those of us who just wanna have a couple of social pulls and talk about the music we all share a common love for. would someone please call the bouncer (jan?) and tell these blaggards to take it outside and leave the rest of us in peace? cheers.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:55:56 CET 2000 from fw1.clari.com (204.141.88.254)

Buddy

To the Spirit of Ilkka's Dog: The fellows standing next to Bob on the John Wesley Harding cover are Luxman and Purna Das of the Bengali Bauls (or more accurately, the Bauls of Bengal). They were musicians Albert Grossman met while in India. He invited them to Woodstock and they recorded an impromptu album in the basement of Big Pink, called "The Bengali Bauls at Big Pink." They are still playing, mostly in India, but they have performed in the U.S. within the last few years, in Boston, I believe. At the moment, I can't recall the identity of the gentleman behind Bob.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:49:19 CET 2000 from sarc3b127.snip.net (209.204.91.127)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

Wow, I'm still blown away by what happened Wednesday night at "Joyous Lake"!! O.K., I'll tell you. I met some of the nicest, down to earth people I"ve ever met. Butch, Andrea,Lou Ann,Bill, Pat from th Barn Burners,Garth Hudson and last but not least, Levon Helm and his talented daughter Amy. My friends laughed at me when Levon walked into the place and said hello to us. O.K.so I turned a little pale and had a stupid grin on my face, I've only wanted to meet this man and thank him for his music for about 25 years! Levon came over to our table after the first set and was just as out going and friendly as I new he would be. A great moment in my life. After the show I spoke to Pat O'Shea and Amy Helm seperately and they were just so great. I could'nt believe these people were thanking us for coming. After the incredible show they put on that night, they're thanking us?! Unbelievable!! Well I,m "almost" back to reality now but I wanted to share my experience of the great things happening up North. Hey Butch, I could not have said it better myself, but if people just want to sit and bad mouth people and the past, that's their loss. Great people and great music are alive and well in Woodstock!! Thanks again to you good people I mentioned.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:48:05 CET 2000 from client-151-198-146-90.bellatlantic.net (151.198.146.90)

Bumbles

From: The Poor Side of Town

J. DONABIE: Do you mean Freddie Scott?


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:24:03 CET 2000 from trt-on64-67.netcom.ca (216.123.96.195)

John Donabie

BUTCH IS RIGHT!!!! As the late great Jack Scott once said, "Goodbye Baby Baby Bye Bye."


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:15:26 CET 2000 from host62-172-91-226.host.btclick.com (62.172.91.226)

John (Head hung low)

From: Manchester

Here I am again. Good Lord! I am so sorry, and I'd like to thank all the Midnight Dictionary Ramblers. I can honestly say that where I come from, the word I used is totally humdrum and largely inoffensive; any kind of sexism has long since been laundered out. Even a t-shirt from the popular TV Show Red Dwarf uses the word in great, big, red letters. So I'd like to apologize, chalk it up to the gap between the U.S. and U.K., and hopefully put an end to the topic. A wry smile to all those who made me sound like a lonely heart column(calling me 25 from Manchester... [likes long walks, animals, and strange, unearthly music straight from the nineteenth century...]) I now return you to our regularly scheduled guestbook....


Posted on Fri Feb 4 16:09:04 CET 2000 from du101-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.101)

Ilkka

To John Donabie:
It was only me. - The humor in Internet is a difficult skill. Obviously I didn't succeed.

I'll come back when I can take this place seriously. See you somewhere in the cyberspace! Take care.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 15:56:25 CET 2000 from spider-th044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.64)

butch dener

From: ulster county

This past wednesday, Levon Garth, Amy & The Barn Burners put on one heck of a show !!!!!!!!! Our demented but enthusiastic crowd was into every rimshot, every harpwail, every exhale of the accordian,,, The more this band plays,,, the tighter & hotter they get !! I see you would all rather discuss things that happened 30 years ago, & that is your right,, but if you live in the NOW,,,, Levon & Garth are really making some good stuff happen ,,, especially on Wednesday nights,,, ok, ya'll can go back to your petty feuding & namecalling now,, but i really thought this was about the music,,,, Thanks Jan, as usual,, for YOUR space,,,,, butch


Posted on Fri Feb 4 15:31:08 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

On Robbie Robertson's first album. I thought Fallen Angel was an incredibly well done and moving tribute to Richard. Robbie's limited vocal range was quite adequate for the performance and, dare I say it, his falsetto actually evoked Richard's. As far as the rest of the album is concerned, as someone else said earlier, most of the writing was Cahoots quality rather than brown album quality and I could have done without U2 and the other guests (other than Rick and Garth). (By the way, the term "Cahoots quality" is meant as a compliment relative to the vast majority of music.)

Probably without any objective justification, I was disgusted with the video of Fallen Angel which had nothing to do with Richard and featured Robbie in some native American scene. When I heard they were making a video for the song, I foolishly assumed it would feature old footage of Richard and The Band.

It is interesting to contrast Robbie's first album with Jericho. There is no doubt in my mind that a full collaberation of Robbie, Rick, Garth and Levon at this time would have produced a better result than either. (I love about 4 or 5 songs on Jericho and could do without the rest.) Oh well, I guess it was never meant to be. Maybe in some parallel world somewhere...


Posted on Fri Feb 4 15:28:23 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

"Twilight" is the song which has haunted me most since Rick's death. In the last years of his life he embraced it as one of his favorites and now I find the obvious plea there quite moving. I think that Bob Wyman's classic Danko tale was funny, but also sad in hearing that just before his induction into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame, Rick was playing in a place with anything less than a capacity crowd (not to mention one that was "almost empty"). Let us use his death as a cautionary tale to never miss a chance to see great performers in the "twilight" of their careers. Some of the best shows I've seen in recent years have been by veteran performers in small venues: Leon Russell, Janis Ian, John Sebastian, Arlo Guthrie, David Crosby, John Hartford, Roger McGuinn, John Hiatt, Rodney Crowell, Dr. John, and others. With the internet (such as www.pollstar.com) it's easy to keep up with tour schedules, and those of us who have jobs that keep us on the road a lot can often catch shows away from home. Let's not "leave them alone in the twilight..."


Posted on Fri Feb 4 15:16:15 CET 2000 from 98abee1d.ipt.aol.com (152.171.238.29)

mark hodgson

From: daytona beach,florida
Home page

i first heard the band on record in 1969. the album was "big pink"...i became a fan. i began playing professionally in 1970. the band was a guiding light for us garage bluesmen at the time.i had the opportunity in the mid-seventies to meet levon at his home in springdale. i arrived by invitation from ernie and earle cate as i was living in fayetteville and opening shows for them at various clubs on dickson street...library(dickie poole) and a wild joint outside of town that became a members only joint at closing time. my love of the bands music sent me all the way to arkansas with tim alexander of asleep at the wheel fame. we were in a band together in florida at the time and on his insistance i left florida to find "the melting pot " of american roots music. levon at the time i met him had just finished shooting "coal miners daughter" and when i arrived welcomed me without pause. we sat in his kitchen and he showed me pictures of his all-star group with butterfield etc. ernie and earle were very nice to allow me to meet levon. i later saw rick and levon in jacksonville where they allowed me and bob young on the bus (bob is neils brother)...i talked with rick before the show, levon signed his book for me and after the show i talked to garth about sax players. i gave garth an lp by my musical partner in florida,noble "thin man "watts..noble and i will be performing during bike week 2000 at the boot hill saloon in daytona. a riend of mine was just up to see his brother who works at not fade away productions in woodstock and saw levon and garth at joyous lake. i plan on coming up to woodstock to sit in with those guys in april. will they be there?...last summer i was band leader for the rev. billy c. wirtz and saw the cates at eureka springs..i didn't get a chance to talk to then but they were listening in the wings at our last performance there. i want to work with levon and garth. i could send them my cd's..i play harmonica(i am endorsed by lee oscar) i sing, play rythmn piano and acoustic finger-style guitar...i am a vetern of 25 years knocking it out on the street..i am on kingsnake records"extreme blues" and i play harp on wirtz's latest cd on hightone and can be heard on sonny rhodes latest cd...i have recorded mant cd's on my own and anm somewhat of a legend in florida having been nominated as blues artist of the year by the orlando weekly losing only to my partner noble watts..i would appreciate any help or info you could pass along to my email or you can call me @ 904-760-2980....sincerly, mark hodgson


Posted on Fri Feb 4 15:14:23 CET 2000 from du-tele3-066.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.66)

Peter Viney

Dan: The dictionary listed three meanings. I maintain that most people here using it aren't aware of the primary meaning, and cheerfully use the secondary one. I agree that we're not particularly concerned about "bad" language, and so, yes, could be it was intended to carry the primary meaning. That wouldn't shock me. Compare "prat" enshrined as a catch phrase in sitcom after sitcom. That means buttocks, but 90% of people using it don't know that.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 14:51:40 CET 2000 from trt-on51-05.netcom.ca (216.123.98.5)

John Donabie

From: Canada

Sergej Sergejevitch is obviously a coward too wimpy to use his or her real name. As a Canadian & citizen of the world, I object to the words "Eskimo dog, go back to your igloo."

I take it that it was an attempt at humour. Making fun of Inuit people doesn't make you anything more than a racist yourself.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 14:47:30 CET 2000 from (194.129.43.14)

Dan

From: London

Twat has a rude meaning in england (female genitals) and is used as an insult. However, most of us are not particularly p.c. over here and the word is used v. often but all sorts of people, male and female. So Peter's well-meaning ramble though the dictionary was quite helpful but ultimately wrong. agreed 25 from manchester?


Posted on Fri Feb 4 14:33:31 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Oh Sergie, can you come out to play?


Posted on Fri Feb 4 12:44:27 CET 2000 from du-tele3-110.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.110)

Peter Viney

Censorship: let me say right off that I’d defend anyone’s right to make comments and give their opinions, including Serge as much as anyone else. I’d also defend the right of anyone else to object to xenophobia, and to point out when someone makes unnecessary and unpleasant references to nationality, race, ethnic origin, gender, stature or colour. Racist comments, as ever, reflect badly on the speaker, not on those the speaker is trying to insult.

I can never resist an appeal to look up a dictionary. "twat" is a glaring example of how the comparatively tiny differences in British and American English can blow up a storm in a teacup. Like many other "vulgar" words, it has a confusing etymology with three meanings. Deb explored the full OED. The "Shorter Oxford" restricts the info more, and gives the original meaning as 17th century, and it means "the outer female genitals." In the 17th century it was used as a vulgar and coarse term. By the early 20th century it had come to mean "a stupid or unpleasant person". The recent example it gives is "he was a benign old twat who blithered on endlessly". As the example shows, in Britain it is a mild insult, and it’s certainly one that could appear in a family TV sitcom at prime time. The definition "stupid and unpleasant" is not that accurate. I think it means "silly" rather than "stupid" and I wonder if it comes from "twattle" (which Deb found) rather than from the 17th century vulgar meaning. This is the sense that I assumed John from Manchester was using, and as a fellow Limey I read no vulgarity in it. The third meaning is "buttocks", US dialect, mid 20th century. Websters gives three meanings, 1) vulva 2) buttocks 3) woman. So it would appear that the mild British term meaning "idiot" has no resonance in the USA, where it would be both offensive and sexist. Compare the word "bugger" which is very mild indeed in British slang, and is often semi-affectionate, especially if combined with "old": a nice old bugger. I could refer to my grandfather, both truthfully and affectionately, as "a mean old bugger". So, if a Limey were to say that Serge were a miserable old bugger it would not be deeply insulting, and would also indicate a degree of affection. This is only a linguistic example, of course.

British radio before The Beatles: My point about Van was that he would necessarily have had to listen to an eclectic mixture if he wanted to listen to music at all, because of the BBC monopoly on radio at that time. We didn’t have "R&B stations" or "C&W stations" or even "Top 40 stations". We just had the one "light" programme. If there’d be a soul or R&B station in the UK, I for one would have listened to little else.

This month’s Q is worth it for the article on Macy Gray – who has sold 1 million albums in the UK against 250,000 in the USA . The article attributes this to a greater British affinity for classic soul. So we must be doing something right over here.

On the "Robbie Robertson" album, the defence missed "Broken Arrow". I’m a bit dubious about the U2 tracks myself. But four or five brilliant tracks is above average. Daniel Lanois’ production was of its time..


Posted on Fri Feb 4 08:20:55 CET 2000 from du177-0.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.0.177)

Sergej Sergejevitch

You plenipotentiary Eskimo dog, go back to your igloo and eat your liquorice allsorts, hope your butt will freeze in an ice block. Who is this harding guy anyway and what has he doing here. I'm not interested. I'm leaving, arrivederci.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 08:17:59 CET 2000 from du177-0.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.0.177)

Spirit of Ilkka's dog

From: a pink painted doghouse
Home page

Sergej Sergejevitch, who are the three fellows on John Wesley Harding album cover. You were there.
I'm the first to defend your rights to your lissome comments!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 05:39:07 CET 2000 from pool-209-138-152-224-ipls.grid.net (209.138.152.224)

Bobby Jones

From: C - bus

Serge - I can't help to wonder, How many people will read these posts. Wonder, what's all the fuss about. Then go out and buy the Hoskyns book. Was this the result you were looking for??? Diamond Lil - You're right, that reference has no place here. We can only hope to learn from our mistakes.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 05:36:27 CET 2000 from spider-wn022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.157)

Lori

From: Chicago

Discussion & differences of opinion--Yes. Sniping, name-calling & slamming--If you must, pleez use email. May the positive prevail in this wonderful guestbook!


Posted on Fri Feb 4 05:32:07 CET 2000 from atmax-3-43.enter.net (207.16.153.145)

Little Brother

From: around Philly, PA

Hell, if Serge can ooze out from under his rock every thirteenth full moon or so-- or should I have said "Ooze can surge out, etc."-- there's no need for ME to be shy.

When I popped into this site on Dec. 16th and thereby got the news about Rick's passing, I made a few attempts to express my feelings in a few thousand well-chosen words. But I was too sad and humbled by the outpouring in this venue-- anyway, I thought, why saddle a cybercommunity of grief-stricken folks with numbing boredom?

That was then, this is now. So here's one thought I couldn't quite fit in my grand eulogy anyway: When Norman Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky" was an AM hit back in 1970, I was pleased to dismiss and despise it in spite of its catchiness. I took the Jesus references too seriously and figured it for a corny exercise in "bliss rock".

Well, I still don't know much about Norman-- he COULD be (have been) an arch-fundamentalist evangelist-- but I came to appreciate that the lyrics were more whimsy than dogma, if not outright tongue-in-cheek. The straightforward simplicity of the tune, the cheerful mix of fuzz guitar and gospel vocals, and the hand-clapping, dance-footed rhythmic bounce make for a tasty classic.

For me, it's a spoonful of comfort music. It tingles the same nerves as "River Hymn". As different as these songs sound, and despite the radical differences in mood and color, they both reach a kind of magical, non-denominational spiritual dimension that refreshes and nourishes. Don't quibble about details like "Spirit" not achieving the vocal virtuosity of the Band in full glory-- I'm only describing an admittedly irrational, subliminal association I experience.

All this hugga-mugga to say that I think "Spirit" would be a natural cover for Rick. The pulsing, lyric bass line, the earnest, joyous lyrics. Notice I didn't write "would have been", because I allow myself a little after-life, next-world fantasy like so many others. I can hear him up there, out there, in there, wherever you put the there that IS there. And it is, too.

P.S. Oh, yeah-- the real reason I posted was to ask this perilous question: Is that Barney Hoskyns article (?) about Rick that inspired so much feedback posted anywhere? I checked the site library and couldn't find it. As a kind of tangent to the anti-censorship wing of this site, even if it's the putrescent abomination it's reported to be, I think it's only fair to give guests a way to see for themselves. This doesn't have to mean undeservedly promoting him or implicitly dishonoring Rick's memory. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 05:12:15 CET 2000 from spider-tf074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.209)

Pac

From: SF CA

I personally don't compare anyone's voice to the others' because each had their distinct golden contributions. And each had their times of being more together than others, and less so. We're all blessed to have so much of their music and no matter who told the story, didn't we all savor every word? My favorite was the train ride across Canada with Janis and Rick conjuring up every obscure song from their memory vaults. Wish I could have been there. I'm eternally grateful for feeling a part of it through the magic of print and imagination. I'm glad Son Seals was mentioned. And Buffie St. Marie is incredible these days with the American Indian singers/drummers behind her. Saw them featured on a PBS special recently, possibly Sessions at West 54th Street. Re the "Limey" comment what immediately comes to mind is how, as I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong), the U.S. waited for the British to complete their expensive airstrip in Grenada, then invaded the place and took it as U.S. property. The beast of abusive power comes in many forms. But the same countries also have many wonderful people. Love to all.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 04:50:57 CET 2000 from spider-tk054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.199)

Bumbles

From: Way Down Underneath

Using "twat" as an epithet is remarkably sexist.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 04:49:30 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

Hmmm I didn't know everything talked about had to be rocket science and pretense

I kinda(sic) like talkin' about favorite disc's on a desert island - It's pleasurable mindlessness i don't mind.

"The higher the character, less the pretense, because there is less to pretend to"



Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:58:03 CET 2000 from bay-setb-ip-90.se-tel.com (63.70.183.90)

Misty

From: Kentucky

Who started this fire again?!!! Please end this negativity, it is unhealthy, not to mention pointless.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:56:06 CET 2000 from pm3-102.efn.org (206.163.180.102)

deb

From: oregon

I, also, am standing at my computer clapping for Lil. Well-put, my friend! I seriously doubt, though, that any of those "mature, grown men" could explain the meaning of that four-letter word beginning with "t" that they have been throwing around carelessly, nor could they comprehend the meaning of another: tact. In other words, guys, please have some consideration for others and take your petty bickering outside.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:50:21 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: NZ
Home page

On the whole I prefer Hoskyn's book to Levons. I always got the impression that Levon found out that there was a book being written about The Band and suddenly decided "hey, why don't I do one instead". I find it strange that suddenly in the mid 90's we get too books - strange but good - maybe Serge can explain. Lets not forget that Levon's book also contains some inaccuracies and he also lifts stuff from various articles and passes it of as his own recollections.

Robbies voice on his first album was used pretty effectively - even if it did have limitations. However on Storyville it did get a bit cliched (eg the spoken bit on Day Of Reckoning). Maybe he needed a producer to guide him. Some of Robbies better moments match or even better some of Rick's 90's efforts. Rick at his best was a fine singer but at times his vocals could be undisciplined - witness parts of Crazy Mama when he over dubs his own voice. Richard had a great voice but was often hoarse live. Levon on the other hand has never sung a bum note.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:48:40 CET 2000 from proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.93)

Bob Wyman

From: Several people asked me to relate this so I will share it with you all
Home page

There was a bar near my house called Rack-n-Roll. Danko Fjeld & Anderson were playing there 10-25-93. The place was almost empty but as soon as I heard Rick's voice it didn't matter. They finished their show at about 10:30 and I made my way backstage which I do a lot and introduced myself. Rick was very amiable and we talked for a few moments then he asked,"Where can I get high in this town?!" I told him we had a little weed and beer at the house. I told him it wasn't far and we'd take him wherever whenever. We all jumped in the front of my pick-up and off we went. At the house we sat and talked, smoked, drank. I pulled out some fresh venison jerky I had just made and he couldn't stop eating it! He said we should go into the jerky business and he could get all the venison I wanted. He mentioned that he was getting inducted into the hall of fame. I showed him some guitars of mine which he strummed and picked with an authoritative ease which surprised me. I put on some records and cd's while we talked. Sadly I did not have a single Band album! (That has been remedied) He did sign my "Easy Rider" soundtrack and my Guild D-25 guitar. About 3 AM he suggested we go to the hotel and bug Anderson, which we did. We sat with Eric and played for several hours. Eric showed me some lyrics he had just written. At about sun rise my wife and I headed out but not before Rick instructed me to return in several hours with more jerky! I told him he had finished it and it takes a day or two to prepare more but that I would send him some along with a tape of my original songs he had asked for earlier. At that point we parted. I did send Rick some jerky a few weeks later. I had gone out on an Elk hunt Dec.1st and was on my way home when Colorado Springs came into view, just then I heard the first strains of "Atlantic City" on the radio when I said to Nancy "Just think, this guy on bass was just at our house!" Nancy did not really know who the Band was before that as her family did not really have radio or tv. Arriving home I checked my messages and sure enough Rick had called to thank me for the jerky! We called him back and talked for a while, Nancy was gushing on the phone like a teenager! I still tease her about that. I still sent jerky from time to time but we never talked again. Strangely, on the night Rick passed on I was playing an open mic night here when my friends took the stage and began to play "The Weight" I jumped up there and sang Rick's verse. Gives me goosebumps to think about it. There is no doubt that Rick Danko was one of kind and thankfully we can still hear him loud and clear even though he is gone. Soon I will post a picture of Rick and Nancy for you all.Peace, Bob


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:43:37 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I've always believed it is best to ignore statements and people that do not deserve my respect or the effort it takes to respond to such trash. At the same time, I feel people should be congratulated and applauded for a job well done. Therefore, (even though Lil can't see me at this moment) I'm standing at my computer clapping in her honour. Bravo Lil.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:27:15 CET 2000 from cr514777-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.57.20)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Just to change the topic slightly, brilliant version of Java Blues by Rick.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:23:27 CET 2000 from pm3-216.efn.org (206.163.180.216)

deb

From: oregon

This has nothing to to with The Band, but here's more: the O.E.D. definition of twattle: to talk idly or trivially; to chatter, babble, tattle, prate. Now I'm just going to twattle along...


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:21:06 CET 2000 from pm3-216.efn.org (206.163.180.216)

deb

From: oregon

I had to do it; get out the incredibly tiny-fonted Oxford English Dictionary, along with a couple of magnifying glasses. Any scholars out there who have the complete, not condensed, O.E.D., or access to a library, feel free to add to this or clarify if possible. But here is the O.E.D.'s partial definition of Twat: Also twait (of obscure origin). Erroneously used by Browning under the impression that it denoted some part of a nun's attire. 1704, T. Brown, Sober Slip in Dark Wks., A dangerous Street, Where Stones and Twaits in frosty Winters Meet. Twat-scourer, a surgeon or Doctor, E. Ward. Twat, an error for Troat. 1686, Blome Gentl. Recr.: A Hart Belloweth, a Buck Groaneth or Twateth.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 03:13:16 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-18-114.termserv.net (208.20.67.114)

Diamond Lil

Ok....perhaps I just found some words....

My 10 year old daughter just asked me what the 'T' word that's been thrown around here today means. Any of you mature, grown up men want to explain it to her? Please take that kind of stuff to e-mail. Thank you.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 02:52:07 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

BTW Sergie,,,the truth should be told, and retold,,,,does that mean my wonderful pictures of Rick can be posted,,,and reposted?

Seems to me that you don't know fact from crap. Just as long as it revolves around you...


Posted on Fri Feb 4 02:49:42 CET 2000 from pm3-216.efn.org (206.163.180.216)

deb

From: oregon

Okay, okay, most people here (myself included) would agree that Rick or Richard have better singing voices than Robbie (and they were both the best, no doubt). But, take a picture of this, if you can: try to imagine Rick or Richard singing "Somewhere Down the Crazy River" half as well as Robbie did. Just as Rick's signature song was "It Makes No Difference" and Richard's might have been his soulful version of "Georgia," Robbie's rendition of "...Crazy River" can't be topped by anyone.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 02:44:24 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Sergie, you snibling 67 year old baby,,,looks like you put darkness on this GB. A great deal of people here would like you, just to go away. Most will not post what they think of you here, because they know you get off on it. So get off on this,,,Look in the mirror and you'll see what the meaning of a twat is! And yes, I'm telling it like it is!

No one here needs the support of a self centered old man whos having to many senior moments. If your lonely,,,here I'm,,,this isn't personal, this is me.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 01:31:16 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: austin

thanks matt k. I love all of Robbie's solo records and find some of that stuff really growing on me, particularly "Sonny Got Caught in the Moonlight", singing with Rick. "Somewhere Down That Crazy River" is another great song.

Robbie's singing voice is adequate for what he wants to do. I cant stand singers that over do it, personally. Robbie takes some time between records to put alot of structure and meaning into those records. What he has to say in the songs is enough to keep me coming back. he doesnt have to be pavarrotti of the blues. He actually is blessed with a fascinating speaking voice with lots of depth and nuance. I get to be taken to all kinds of neat spaces thru RR's recent records. hope to find some time to post something I worked up about the allusions to native american myths, spirituality and politics soon.

Hank: have a great trip!

Lil: I'm with you. I miss rick so much every day. never got to meet him personally but in concert and on record he could really get close and make alot of us feel like old friends. sounds kind of silly maybe but I'm surprised at the world going on without him, but his spirit lives on doesnt it. thank god for that I guess, I'm still shellshocked that I wont get to see him play again. I cant believe he's gone either. My thoughts remain with his family and friends, and all you fellow fans.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 01:30:47 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.186)

Serge

Well, it looks like I've livened things up a touch here. Beats " What two Band albums would I take to a desert island." That's assuming one has a lot of batteries to run a portable CD or Walkman for an extended period.

John, "25" from Manchester: does a Twat in england mean the same as a Twat in North America?? Or are you using RUDE expletives here?? Shame. Also, are you asking Jesus a question in your entry? Just checking. But seriously, do write what you think here. But THINK. Don't let all the "huggy, kissy, hollier than thou crap here throw you. Tell it like it is. It's ok. You can call me anything you want. Anytime.

Thanks for the support, you few thinking people...you know who you are. The truth is out there, and needs to be told and retold.

Johan F.from Sweden: I agree, the Ding Dong "mysteries" section is my fave also. I am also grateful to them to have helped me discover the Corrs...NOT. Bye bye.


Posted on Fri Feb 4 00:59:11 CET 2000 from host62-6-113-50.host.btclick.com (62.6.113.50)

John

From: Manchester, UK

I must say, I've only ever posted about three messages here, but I've read a lot of the archives. I've noticed how brusque Serge is, and realize he has a problem with Hoskyns' humdrum book, but it's very rude to generalize a whole race of people. A twat is a twat, no matter where they're from, and if Hoskyns is a twat, then so be it. But do me the courtesy of staying out of my face, if you would. Besides, 'limeys?' - Jesus, did anybody use that epithet in the twentieth century, let alone the twenty-first? I don't know how many young fans (I'm 25)AREN'T posting on this board regularly, like me, because of the bad vibes spread by this kind of crusty, crabby old crap. It's certainly no encouragement. Sorry for being so negative, but....


Posted on Thu Feb 3 22:07:18 CET 2000 from spider-tl073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.208)

Noah Webster

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
Date: 1580

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics (the English race )


Posted on Thu Feb 3 21:58:24 CET 2000 from (162.79.160.2)

Zack Adkins

From: Salt Lake City, UT

One of the damn finest ever. Everytime I hear "It Makes No Difference", it almost brings tears to my eyes!!


Posted on Thu Feb 3 21:38:31 CET 2000 from spider-tl053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.198)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

To MattK -- your comments concerning RR's first solo effort are right on the mark. Thanks for sharing them with us. The truest measure of the total product is in the quality of the individual pieces. The songs you have pointed out as weak or strong are not so as a result of the production. Good, solid music will always hold up, even under less than ideal circumstances. Poorly conceived or constructed music will never be enhanced by heavy handed production technique. It always comes down to the music. Although we all struggle to define "quality" we all know damn well when we see it or hear it. The best example on the album in question,in my mind, is "Fallen Angel". It is a beautifully constructed,emotionally connected piece. You won't hear the "over produced" or "celebrity voice-over" comments when this song is discussed. True as well for the others you mentioned. Why does the sound of Rick Danko singing "Stage Fright" and accompanying himself with only an acoustic guitar ring so beautifully in our ears? Production doesn't have a damned thing to do with it. It's all about the perceived quality of the song and the voice. You have to go a long way to over produce a truly good piece of music while you can't spend enough time or money in failing to produce a silk purse from a sow's ear.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 20:52:42 CET 2000 from beer.pilsnet.sunet.se (192.36.125.73)

Johan F.

From: Sweden

The comments about the "limey ding-dongs" behind Hoskyns' book made me curious. So I checked out the credits in the book, did a little AltaVista search, and here is what came up:

http://www.chelt.demon.co.uk/

Looks like grumpy old Serge may have a point. I particularly recommend the "Mysteries" link %-P


Posted on Thu Feb 3 20:51:34 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Bill: My tongue is planted firmly in my cheek as I write this. Although you state that Serge's remark is wrong, you mention Led Zeppelin, a group of Englishmen, who on more than one occasion failed to properly attribute credit for music that they recorded.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 20:51:18 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

Regarding The Watkins Glen Jam: Butch Trucks(Allman Brothers) says, "It's one of the only times I can remember where the jam didn't work because the drugs didn't mix. The Band were all drunk. The Dead were all tripping. And we were all full of coke. So we tried to jam, but there was just no common ground."


Posted on Thu Feb 3 20:47:29 CET 2000 from ppp7628.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.191.116)

Richard Patterson

Saw the Derek Trucks Band last night at the Tralfamadore Cafe in Buffalo. Wow! He just gets better and better. His solo work, away from the Allman Brothers, is a sort of blues-jazz fussion not unlike early Jeff Beck or Santana. The multi-racial band includes 2 keybs and flute. Very intense slide and lead playing - and always in an open E tuning. Very unusual (to me) to see someone reinvent the wheel by playing all kinds of jazz-style comping and passing chords and nonslide lead breaks in an open tuning. The claims for Derek being in the same league as Duane Allman are becoming more and more realistic. The Tralf is a great room (450 seater) near Shea's Theatre in Buffalo. Rick played there with Commander Cody last May. Would be a really nice spot to see Levon Helm and the Barnburners - HINT. Son Seals Feb. 19.

Thanks to the GB "regular" who took the time to photocopy Robert Palmer's "A Portrait of the Artists as Young Hawks" for me. I still think it's a shame that it's not available for everyone to read on this site (I don't have the means to scan this), especially given the current discussion on bio's. Thanks again.

Someone brought up a theme a few days back and it's been sticking in my mind since. I'll paraphrase - An American Van Morrison would be less likely to have as varied a palette of musical styles because he would be exposed to too great a variety of music. The same for Paul McCartney. I don't follow this logic. The old friends of Neil Young in "The Thrasher" are poisoned with "protection" not "selection" (as Neil misquoted himself in the 'Rust Never Sleeps' film). Maybe I'm asking the same question as my last post but, why are greater resourses an indication that they will be less utilized? Who is this American Van and in what time period does he exist ? Dave Z made a point of how many times the Band/Hawks have made major transitions in style. Are they an American Van? Or a Canadian Van? Or a Camper Van? Camper Van Beethoven was a wonderful American band who changed genres every 3 minutes. Slightly less eclectic is the offshoot band Kracker.

The prospect of hearing Rick play a Greatful Dead song seems very good indeed.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 20:33:57 CET 2000 from edslink8.eds.com (199.228.142.8)

Carmen

From: PA

First point, I think there are only four races and Limmey's is not one of them. This is a reference to a nationality not a race. Second point, freedom of speech is guaranteed by the gov't., meaning the Gov't can not limit free speach. Since this however is a private site regulation by the owner is allowed. An example is that the US Gov't "by Constitution" has no legal authority to punish John Rocker for his recent comments, however, MLB can and did punish him.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 19:51:57 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Personally, I've never advocated censorship (here or elsewhere), nor am I happy with Serge's exile, which I'll point out was self-imposed.

I merely stated that "Limeys are always good at taking over after someone else has done all the groundwork." is a racist statement, and I stand by this assertion. Whether Serge himself is racist I cannot venture since I don't know him from Adam. Whether or not others choose to engage or ignore him is entirely their decision. For myself, I refuse to take part in discussions where such comments are made. That is purely my decision.

On the flip side, I do not advocate either Tim's or Rich's statements regarding Serge, which I do think border on a form of censorship. Fact is, Tim would be best served by simply ignoring Serge's posts, and vice-versa.

My personal hope is that Serge realizes that respect is awarded in-kind, and that perhaps he should try to treat people with the same respect he is so quick to demand for himself. His inability or unwillingness to do so in the GB only undermines his knowledge and resources, which we all richly enjoy in other areas of the site.

Peace

Matt


Posted on Thu Feb 3 19:47:40 CET 2000 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

From: Riihimaki, Finland

Thank you Matt for showing the worth of Robbie' s 1 st. Daniel Lanois is a fine artist...for example his solo albums are among my favorites....I don' t understand this "don' t ever change"-attitude...The creative people like Emmylou or Robbie are not repeaters like most artists are, I love Wrecking Ball and see Robbie' s recent works as valuable as his Band songs although it is not so much part of the white man' s rock history anymore... A very good place to hear Robbie' s music is Indian internet radio station Airos (www.airos.org). It features many other fine contemporary native artists (like Spotted Eagle, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Burning Sky), too.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 19:14:43 CET 2000 from polaris-fw1.nspco.com (206.10.243.20)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Does the Hawk's throwing of Rolling Stones also make him a Limey? Or do we all just need a Linni? (or maybe a Killian's Red in my case)... I was just reading one of Dylan's old books and watching at the same time a Sesame Street video "Fiesta" with my twin boys... and regardless of how much Oscar wanted to be left alone in exile... he couldn't quite escape from playing in Elmo's game... and then Dylan said he'd never be in a group because when you go solo and things gone wrong, you can only blame yourself... Anyway, I've read the Barney book a couple times now... the 1st being insightful to me... those thereafter being tiring due to his negativity towards his subjects... Anything juicy in the Hawk's book?


Posted on Thu Feb 3 18:47:22 CET 2000 from du249-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.249)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries
Home page

HANK WEDEL in Scandinavia! Let it be ten weeks rather than seven days. Hope we'll see in Josef's House Of Blues in Sweden.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 18:38:29 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

Yes yes yes, of course Serge has the right to state his opinions. And I have the right to point out that he's very wrong in saying, "Limeys are always good at taking over after someone else has done all the groundwork." I know from personal experience that they are sometimes crappy at it - just like the rest of us.

Back to the music: I'd love to have heard the Hawks doing the latino instrumental vamp that leads into "Turn On Your Lovelight" on Live Dead (and which to my ears turns up in the middle of Led Zep's "Fool In The Rain").


Posted on Thu Feb 3 18:22:25 CET 2000 from 216-1-128-23.akorn.net (216.1.128.23)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

I think the "disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right" quote is attributed to Voltaire, and I heartily endorse that sentiment in regards to this guestbook - better to have disagreeable/offensive speech than censored/muffled speech.

I think the two Band books are essential reading for anyone who cares about their music. Both have considerable flaws; Hoskyns is too far from his subject, Levon too close. What we need is for a top-notch musical biographer to take on the task of writing the story of The Band (did someone say Peter Guralnik?). That would be for the best, in this, the best of all possible musical worlds.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 17:18:16 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

MattK

While, "Robbie Robertson" is by no means a perfect album, I would hesitate to condemn it as a "grotesquely overblown production." Certainly it both succeeds and fails with Daniel Lanois' rather thick production sensibilities. Lanois is a fine producer, but often his rather ambient approach can overwhelm a weaker song. As an "old school" U2 fan (read, everything up to Joshua Tree), I appreciate the work that Lanois did, particularly with "The Unforgettable Fire," and with the Neville Bros on "Yellow Moon" or Peter Gabriel's "So." In many ways, "Robbie Robertson" reflects its era, production-wise - and consistent with 80s-era production, sometimes gets a bit "thick."

I do think it's unfair, however, to label the songwriting on "Robbie Robertson" as completely underwhelming. While "Showdown at Big Sky" is not the best song I've ever heard, "Fallen Angel," "Somewhere Down the Crazy River," "Testimony," and "Sunny Got Caught In the Moonlight" are all exceptional songs where Robbie's voice is used optimally. Funny, so many people dismiss RR's vocals out of hand while simultaneously complaining about the "superstar" guest appearances on the album as excessive. Robbie, generally, knows his limits as a vocalist, and seeks out vocalists on all of his recordings to do guest shots and cover his weaknesses. Still, while RR is no Richard, Rick or Levon (by his own admission), in the studio setting, he manages to come of as at least competent, and in some cases quite compelling. I think, particularly with "Robbie Robertson," he tries to cover his tracks with thicker production values, which, since it's his first real attempt at significant vocalization, is understandable.

At least, that's my opinion...

Matt


Posted on Thu Feb 3 16:56:47 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Although my usual position is to focus on the music and avoid personal frays in the guestbook, I'll make an exception regarding Serge's comments about Mr. Hoskyns. Serge knows of what he speaks on this subject-- his knowledge comes from direct personal experience. Serge is not one to mince words or embellish his comments with platitudes. He gets right to the point. I concede that his remark about the citizens of Great Britain seems unduly harsh, however, in light of the circumstances, he was seeking to draw an analogy of someone taking credit for the work of others. It the true sense of the word, Mr. Hoskyns "exploited" the lives and work of others. Serge has a right to express his opinion, and the fact the he has little need for currently fashionable political correctness or sensitivity does not cancel that right.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 16:39:12 CET 2000 from jupiter.oucs.ox.ac.uk (163.1.103.106)

Colin MacKinnon

From: Oxford

Peter Viney's comments on Hoskyns seem to me to be mostly fair. I loved the book, rereading it many times- and it is clear enough that Hoskyns has enormous sympathy with The Band and their early music. Greil Marcus can be a pompous ass at times-his book on 'The Basement Tapes' is unreadable, and Hoskyns is not unfair to him. If Hoskyns gives Robbie some stick about his solo albums, again it seems to be justified. Can anyone remember with affection the grotesquely overblown production of 'Robbie Robertson', and the blatantly cynical collaborations with U2- purveyors of the sort of pretentious rock 'The Band' and 'Big Pink' did so much to render obsolete? And Robbie's singing is lousy. And the lyrics (especially the ludicrous 'Showdown at Big Sky'- Buffalo Bill meets St. John the Divine) hark back to the most strained efforts in 'Cahoots'. Robbie Robertson is one of the greatest songwriters in rock but he cheapened himself with this album.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 16:33:25 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I'd like Robbie to write his own book, mainly because I think he's such a good storyteller. Only he can explain why he wanted out, and what TLW meant to him since he seems to be the centre of it all. I'm sure his perspective of the whole thing was much different from Levon's. Hank: Hope you have a nice tour.....I have copy of Mac Brickout for when you get back.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 16:07:46 CET 2000 from du-tele3-085.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.85)

Peter Viney

I thought the Barney Hoskyns Mojo obit was patronizing, I was offended by the tone, and I posted to that effect here. I think I’d better get the next bit recorded as a macro because I’ve said it so often. And no, I’m not going to flame or trade childish and xenophobic insults . Yes, "Across the Great Divide" did research … or compile if you prefer … previous stuff from articles and radio shows, but assembled them with great skill and some good critical insight into the songs. Yes, it did air some dirty laundry, but not as much as Levon’s later book did. The word that spread like wildfire failed to reach Robbie, because he was interviewed. I suspect the other members of The Band were wise to ask other people not to speak, but the Band members should have spoken themselves. When a major rock writer sets out to spend several years on a biography, you can bet that it’s going to appear whether there is co-operation or not. I’ve been going through the several Van Morrison biographies, and the problem is that writers were so nervous about Van’s known dislike of biographers, that they end up being syncophantic and uncritcal. Johnny Rogan’s 1984 biography is an honourable exception, which probably fuelled Van’s irritation. "Across the Great Divide" is warts and all, and is a more three-dimensional study as a result. What do you want, a sixties-style bland record-company sponsored promo/biography? You know, what’s your favourite colour, Garth? What’s your favourite film, Rick? What’s your favourite TV show, Robbie?

It’s way, way better than that level. If you’re comparing biographers, it’s also not as original as Charles Shaar Murray’s "Boogie Man: The Adventures of John Lee Hooker in America in the 20th Century" because this has so much original, face-to-face material, and the interviewees were hard to find and assemble, and gave previously unpublished information. This is a great story even if you’re only barely familiar with Hooker’s work. The other "great" rock biography is Peter Guralnik’s pair of books on Elvis, which use the exact same technique as Hoskyns in describing what was happening in a room and who said what. (See below)

If anything, the book was marred by his growing distaste for Robbie Robertson, which leads to unfair conclusions on later solo work. He’s also snide about Greil Marcus though this doesn’t stop him lifting freely from Marcus’s Rolling Stone Review of The Last Waltz - right down to Van Morrison "kicking his legs like a Roxette". Hoskyns uncharitably inserts ‘little’ before legs. A British writer would never stumble on ‘Roxette’ by himself or by chance. We Limeys might say "like a Television Topper." Robbie Robertson had his say, as is often quoted, and Serge will no doubt be pleased to see that his lifelong hero agrees with him. Here are his exact words:

"I read about the first 30 pages and there was so much he had to guess because he didn’t know; he’s talking about people in a room, but he wasn’t there and he hadn’t talked to any of the people in the room so he had to guess." (Robbie Robertson, Q 100 January 1995)

At the end of the day, what effect did Hoskyns book have on The Band? Positive or negative? It came out around the time of their relaunch with "Jericho." At that point they were at the nadir of their careers. They deservedly revived themselves, but the existence of Hoskyns’ acclaimed book did them no harm with a younger generation of rock writers. On balance, I think it polished the "myth" and the detailed and positive discussion of the songs must have boosted the back catalogue. Even though we Limeys like to live close together in our picturesque thatched cottages on our tiny island, drinking endless cups of tea and singing "God save the Queen" in the fog, I have never met nor corresponded with Barney Hoskyns, but I greatly admire his regular work in Mojo and his other books.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 15:46:24 CET 2000 from 209-130-151-113.nas3.mon.gblx.net (209.130.151.113)

Lars Pedersen

From: Pine Bush, NY

As I look out my window I see "the white bees swarming" and I'm using this snowstorm as an excuse to take the morning off. When I lay stone in the winter, I think of Levon's interview in TLW "...you get your ass kicked, then you go home and let it heal up..."

Then you go back to work.

I'm bothered by some of the comments about Serge's posts. God knows we're not friends, I've disagreed with a lot of things that he's said in the past. And he SURE as hell can defend himself and doesn't need any help from me. BUT.... he has as much right to express himself in this GB as anyone else.

I think it was somebody in American history (no, I'm not gonna go to the trouble of looking it up...some dude in one of those three cornered hats, a long time ago) : " I disagree with what you say, sir. But I will fight to the death your right to say it." It might have been Moses or Jeb Stuart, one of them.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 15:37:02 CET 2000 from spider-tk061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.201)

MattK

Serge,

Limeys are always good at taking over after someone else has done all the groundwork.

...is a racist statement.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 15:22:28 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

thanks peter v.! my feeling was that the "brown" album's design was itself a throwback (albeit a more elegant one) to the folkways albums from the fifties. more "brown" album cover influences: the eponymous (and the first) j. geils album (19??); ry cooder's "boomer's story" (1970?); u2's "the joshua tree" (1985?). sorry, i'm not too good with dates; speaking of which, does anyone else notice how arcane references to the "1900's" look already?


Posted on Thu Feb 3 15:17:18 CET 2000 from 1cust208.tnt1.albany.ny.da.uu.net (63.20.207.208)

rich

From: upstate ny

Many months ago, I was quite relieved when we received assurances from Serge that he would no longer deign to post in this place! Unfortunately, it appears that he has reneged on his representation and once again has unnecessarily spewed his divisive venom. I, for one, would kindly request that he prudently forebear from further diatribes in this hallowed place.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 15:08:49 CET 2000 from beer.pilsnet.sunet.se (192.36.125.73)

Johan F.

Tim, at least one of the two persons S. mentions should have "ding-dongs." We're not sure who it is, though... Talking about you space-cases, here is one who is crazy enough to give us the entire Basement Tapes:

http://www.memphiscat.com/

Pretty cool, eh?


Posted on Thu Feb 3 14:50:19 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Sergie,,,stay under your slimmy rock. At least they have *Ding Dongs*, which is more than I can say for you, Mr. Almighty BandGod...


Posted on Thu Feb 3 14:31:04 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Pete Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

Today is Dave Davies' of the Kinks birthday, although I am not sure why I knew that. Music lives and dies today. At least it is good to know that xenophobia is alive and well on this web page. I would be interested in the historical proof regarding the actions of "Limeys," but it seems all we get from that end is mindless and pointless gibberish. That said, the Hoskyns book is a bit of a disappointment. I could care less about what he digs up if it is true; these people, behind the music, are human. However, as someone wrote, the book is essentially a compendium of previous articles, and he certainly seems to be grinding an axe, even taking Greil Marcus to task at one point (I think for saying Rick Danko sings "The Shape I'm In"--later on, I think Hoskyns credits Richard for singing "A Change is Gonna Come.").


Posted on Thu Feb 3 13:43:28 CET 2000 from acay019125161.acay.com.au (203.19.125.161)

Patric

From: N.S.W.

Noticed a few GB'ers have some scathing words for Barney Hoskyns biography on The Band, not having read it I cant comment on the content but as an avid music biography and autobiography collector I have seen some "warts and all" biographies that were downright insulting to the artist and far removed from the truth.

One book I would recommend is Ringo Starr's biography "Straight Man Or Joker" by Alan Clayson.It contains a good behind-the-scenes look at Ringo's wonderful All-Starr tour which of course featured Levon & Rick and also Garth guesting at a few of the concerts.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 05:31:00 CET 2000 from dialin-209.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.43)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

I've always liked "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" as well as the first "Grateful Dead" album (with Morning Dew). To me, they still sound as good as when they came out. The Dead were REALLY good before Pigpen's untimely death, IMHO.

Remembering Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, Ritchie Valens and the pilot of the small plane in that fatal crash 41 years ago today.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 04:43:21 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa021.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.136)

Sean

From: Melbounre

I read Across The Great Divide by Barney Hoskyns and I felt that sometimes he got a little personal with some of the solo projects the guys did after TLW. I have RR first solo album and I enjoy listening to it, but Hoskyns really tore into the album. I feel sorry for artists who are expected to maintain their creative genuis throughout thier entire career. As a result of this people like Hoskyns are missing out on some good music. The same as happened to the Rolling Stones over thier long career. Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 04:00:44 CET 2000 from pm3-226.efn.org (206.163.180.226)

deb

From: oregon

Hank, have a good tour. Yeah, it seems like Robbie in The Last Waltz was saying goodbye; there is much sadness there in his face and voice, as if he's saying goodbye to a friend(s) forever. It seems like he was the parent who had to be responsible and put a stop to the madness, so to speak. I might be wrong, but that is my impression of the whole event just from watching the movie.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 03:46:17 CET 2000 from spider-te021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.181)

Ben Turkel

From: New Jersey
Home page

I enjoyed the two articles from 'Sound Waves' magazine about Rick. I think they're two of the best pieces I've seen about him. If anyone is interested in trading Band tapes, my list is at my homepage. Thanks, Ben


Posted on Thu Feb 3 03:09:18 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-36-84.termserv.net (208.20.67.84)

Diamond Lil

Just wanted to stop in and say hello to everyone here. I've attempted to post for the past several days, but find myself missing Rick and at a loss for words. I finally managed to read several of the touching posts that I hadn't been able to bring myself to read since he died, and I guess it all just crashed into me or something.

Anyhow..I'll be back when I feel I have something to offer. But for now, I think I'll read silently for awhile.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 02:50:18 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginia

Old Canadian friend of The Band, Neil Young and his mates C, S & N are out on the road for their first real tour together since 1974 and the early reviews and setlists look impressive. Long may they run. The official website: www.csny.net


Posted on Thu Feb 3 02:30:07 CET 2000 from p3e9eaf21.dip.t-dialin.net (62.158.175.33)

Wolle

From: Germany / Hamburg
Home page

Suche das Buch : Across the Great Divide. Außerdem Musiker in Hamburg und Umgebung Zwecks Folkbluesrockband Gründung.Bin 38 Jahre Alt/Jung und spiele ein bischen Gitarre,und singen macht mir auch viel Spaß.Also wenn Ihr auch kein Bock mehr auf Alleine Musizieren habt, meldet Euch bei mir. Grüße alle The Band Fans, Wolle


Posted on Thu Feb 3 02:20:53 CET 2000 from dialup-313.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.57)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork
Home page

Howzit Goin, Folks?.......Well, I have to say that I've never had as much fun with my computer since we lost the Mac Brickout program last year as I have done since I started hangin' at this site.......and made friends......so friends, it is w/ a heavy heart I must say goodbye for a while as I start a tour in Oslo TOMORROW!!!!!!....ten days or maybe 7 weeks in Scandanavia........I'll know next week....I'll check in on the road when and where I can.........I really wanted to get into the Barney Hoskyns/Grateul Dead rap, but I must away to bed..........That guy who wrote in about The Mojo article is right......very scanty obit for a talent such as Rick.....The Dead/Band...... TheStones/The Beatles........love the road/hate the road..........Was Robbie Robertson trying to make TLW a happy "Let it Be".... "We wanted it to be a celebration.........." and I bid you goodnight........HANK Be nice to another, ya hear?


Posted on Thu Feb 3 01:04:23 CET 2000 from usr50-dialup118.mix2.boston.cw.net (166.62.196.120)

NED

TO MUGS Yes The Band and The Dead jammed at Watkins Glen. They played Around and Around and Not Fade Away amongst others. It was really late when they did that, everyone was tired.


Posted on Thu Feb 3 00:50:17 CET 2000 from dial144.gtn.net (209.167.110.224)

Serge

Out of exile for this comment: Johan F. from Sweden, you took the words right out of my mouth. Hoskyns is indeed a bastard. No wonder Band members refused to have anything to do with the jerk. Word spread like wildfire NOT to speak with the guy for his book about the Band, if approached. Pushed by a couple of english "Ding dongs" (who no longer show their faces here) he copied, threw together, embellished, reworded previously published articles, and stole photos to make a quick buck, not caring who gets hurt. Limeys are always good at taking over after someone else has done all the groundwork. I and many others would love to see that mother come out of hiding, since he's such a great "know it all" Band fan, and show his face on this web page. Don't bother flaming me for this note unless you know what really went down, and know what you're talking about. I'm not interested.


Posted on Wed Feb 2 23:15:05 CET 2000 from admj144147.jjc.cc.il.us (207.56.144.147)

Mugs

From: Joliet, IL

It's striking to read the posts by David Powell and others connecting The Band and The Dead, especially that Rick had recorded "Ripple," because yesterday while listening to Workingman's Dead it hit me for the first time how similar that album (and American Beauty) and The Band's brown album are in instrumentation, characters, and integrity--and I wildly imagined members of The Band singing Dead songs. Imagine Richard singing "Friend of the Devil," Levon singing "Easy Wind," and Rick singing "Brokedown Palace." I daydreamt of a secret recording of such. Is there one?Was there ever any Band-Dead collaboration? Did The Band and The Dead jam at Watkins Glen?


Posted on Wed Feb 2 23:08:36 CET 2000 from beer.pilsnet.sunet.se (192.36.125.73)

Johan F.

From: Sweden

Someone just handed me the latest issue of the British music magazine "Mojo", where Barney Hoskyns had written a piece about Rick Danko. I wish he hadn't. I thought the bastard did enough damage to The Band with his gossip-filled guesswork of a book. No mention of Rick's many wonderful concerts all the way to the end (listen to the E-town show at this site from last summer for an example), or his many shows to benefit good causes like women's shelters and environmental issues, "Erratic voice" my a**, Barney! Nobody can sound like 20 all their life, but Danko sounded _good_ all the way to the end, and you could at least have taken the time to _listen_ to the Breeze Hill album first. And we all know he gained weight and that he was in bad health at the end, and there is nothing new or special about it. But WHY do you have to rub it in like you do in that article?! Show some respect for a great artist, and for the ones left behind that loved him. You've probably earned a bit from your "oh I love the wonderful music but gee I wish they could be geeks like me" writing about Rick and The Band over the years. I suggest you send some of it to the fund to benefit Rick Danko's family. Woodstock Records has the details.


Posted on Wed Feb 2 23:00:36 CET 2000 from spider-wl013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.23)

Lee

David, your comments on the latest album from Dr John are well said. I've been enjoying this album over the last week and I'm looking forward to seeing him play in Manchester on Feb. 22. You never know what musicians he'll have with him or what he'll choose to play, but I know it will be a good show.


Posted on Wed Feb 2 20:03:16 CET 2000 from (195.166.71.3)

Clare Cunningham

From: London, England

Have just stumbled on the site having spent time trying to track Robbie Robertson down. If anyone can help on how I might obtain more direct contact please let me know as I am a HUGE fan and would grab the opportunity of a chat with both hands!


Posted on Wed Feb 2 19:18:09 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Danny Lopez: The "Hall of Fame" album review is indeed a regular monthly feature in Rolling Stone in which a recomended recording from the past is profiled.


Posted on Wed Feb 2 18:53:06 CET 2000 from hisloper.ps.union.edu (149.106.46.80)

Danny Lopez

From: upstate New York

Is the Brown album being re-released?

I was just at the library and while waiting to be served I perused the new Rolling Stone magazine (Feb. 3, 2000). In the record reviews section there is a little article on the Brown album complete with a great picture of our boys in their glory days. At the top of the article is a boxed header labelled "RS Hall of Fame," which might imply that this is a regular feature for RS to highlight a great album from the past. I don't regularly read RS so I don't know for sure. But it's a nicely written article and at the bottom it even spotlights Rock of Ages with 5 stars and Jubilation with 3!


Posted on Wed Feb 2 16:22:04 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

THE DOC MEETS THE DUKE

Dr. John has just released a wonderful new album, "Duke Elegant" (Blue Note Records), that features unique interpretations of the music of Duke Ellington. As one might expect, the good Doctor adds a dash of N'Awlins spice and "pure fonk-i-fied" grooves to the Duke's cool, sophisticated music.

The Doctor's distinctive vocals, as rich as Louisiana cane syrup, are displayed on "It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)", "Don't Get Around Much Anymore", "Solitude", "Satin Doll", "Mood Indigo", "Do Nuthin' Til You Hear From Me", and the rarely heard "On The Wrong Side Of The Railroad Tracks" and "I'm Gonna Go Fishin'". Instrumentals include "Perdido", "Things Ain't What They Used To Be", "Caravan" and Flaming Sword". The Doctor shows off his talent on both piano and Hammond B-3, joined by the superb backing of The Lower 9-11 band consisting of David Barard on bass, Bobby Broom on guitar and Herman Ernest III on drums. They are augmented by Ronnie Cuber on sax and Cyro Baptista on percussion.

This is a beautifully recorded CD, mastered by Greg Calbi. Mr. Calbi's extensive list of credits also includes the Dylan / Hawks "Live 1966" album. "Duke Elegant" includes over 66 minutes of entertaining music and is such a joy to listen to. The Doc meets the Duke is a winning combination. Highly recommended!!


Posted on Wed Feb 2 13:48:01 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

briensz

From: NJ

I was editing slides last night and Dharma & Gregg came on. I paid half attention to it until Bob Dylan appeared. Dharma & Dylan jammed (well...,) I was actually surprised at the amount of time they allowed for just playing music. Did anyone else see it? It was fun - Bob displayed some wry comedic talent (He even smiled!)

Sam: I though Robbies singing at that concert was painful - His playing was great.


Posted on Wed Feb 2 07:00:29 CET 2000 from spider-wa051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.41)

Henry

From: Sonoma County Cal.

Not much in the guestbook tonight so instead of reading about others, I`ll write my own. The Band is, has always been, and will always be my favorite group. There is something very special about their music, I love all of it. I was fortunate enough to be at The Last Waltz. The greatest concert of any kind anywwhere. I don`t think this because of all the guest musicians. The Band was sizzling hot that night. I`ve seen them live a number of times but that was the best. The addition of the horn section sounded great too. If any of you haven`t been to Winterland (where TLW was performed) It was a decrepit old building in a very run down neighborhood. It usually smelled like a combination of vomit and cheap pot. There is a glimpse of the outside of Winterland in the beginning of the movie. For TLW they cleaned the place up real nice, even fed us a turkey dinner with all the trimmings. They brought in set decorations (chandeliers and curtains) from one of the theatres downtown. I didn`t even recognize Winterland the way they had it all spruced up. Just like The Band, first class all the way. About 10 or 15 years ago Winterland went the way of the wrecking ball for urban development. I will never forget that magical evening. Favorite Band album is Rock of Ages but everything else is a close second. The desert island thing, my non Band album would be Bob Dylan Before the Flood (I think Bob had some very special guests on that one, too). Long live THE BAND!


Posted on Wed Feb 2 03:30:06 CET 2000 from spider-wd084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.189)

Rick Kenworthy

From: the Land of Snow

Been out of town (and away from the Net) for a week, so just jumping onto a coupla strings . . . . TLW moment, musical: All great, but StageFright captures it all for me. TLW moment, non-musical: Richard lounging, explaining how the name came about, pushing away, saying the Honkies 'was too Out There' and then just punching it, verbally . . . The Band. ( Sigh . . .Wish we could get more Richard footage . . . ) Desert Island CDs: The Brown Album, ever so close over Stagefright and Big Pink. Other CD: Allman Bros. Idlewild South - but with a tip of the derby to Layla & also Delaney & Bonnie's 'Motel Shot' Most 'underrated' Band tune: how about 'Ring your Bell' ? Been listening to Jericho every night at beddy-bye time since Christmas and find my choice of a 'favourite' cut changes nightly. But isn't that really what brings us to The Band and keeps us here? Pick any album and play it daily, and your attention will shift to another tune, with another nuance, keying on another facet of their tremendous talent. Richard's vocal and austere arrangement on 'Country Boy' damn near makes me cry. Same with Rick's rendering of 'Amazon' - but next week I'll probably be discovering something new in 'Shine the Light'. AND THAT'S JUST ONE CD! A personal 'goosebumper' for me is Acadian Driftwood. It speaks to me historically (giving us Canucks our very own 'Dixie'), and does it in the fashion that best typifies The Band's Work - everyone exchanging characters, swapping lines, and then meeting at the chorus and harmonizing home . . . and you ain't got no soul if Garth's accordion and Rick's joual(French) don't move ya. To close . . . I've a friend who seems to think The Band did a 'warm-up' concert for the Rock of Ages New Year's show in Montreal's Place des Arts - frankly I don't recall it . . . maybe John Donabie, Stanley Landau et al have some background? Been a while getting here (this site), but boy, it's nice to find a home . . . Rick in Toronto


Posted on Wed Feb 2 00:56:30 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: austin, tx

loved the Ronnie Hawkins article about young "Ricky". thanks alot, I really enjoy and appreciate it.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 23:56:25 CET 2000 from smokeys.com (207.103.255.64)

Dan Myers

From: Ephrata Pa.

I've been a Band fan for 20or more years. I'm a big fan of Levon Helm. If you want great reading pick up "This Wheel's On Fire"


Posted on Tue Feb 1 23:45:53 CET 2000 from du-tele3-081.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.81)

Peter Viney

Some of the newer regulars might wonder exactly where we’re going with all our asides sometimes. They’re a tribute to The Band’s eclecticism. Take Keith Hampshire’s Canadian covers of UK hits. Good choices: P.P. Arnold (who did the second Absolutely Fabulous version of This Wheel’s On Fire with Marianne Faithfull) and Zoot Money (who I see as the British equivalent of Levon & the Hawks). I’m still trying to reconcile myself to the shock of discovering that P.P. Arnold’s hair was a wig. P.P. recorded for Immediate, and British pirate radio station Radio Caroline always had an "affinity" with Immediate Records.

It all comes back (and Rick’s "Small town talk" was on that album) to what kind of band Levon & The Hawks were in 1965 . The scanty evidence suggests that in one phase they were one hell of a soul band.

Album cover art influences: Take a look at the brown album (1969), then place alongside it "Déjà vu" (1970), "Workingman’s Dead" (1970), "Uncle Charlie & His Dog Teddy" (Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, 1970), "Then Map Mop or Mr Resevoir rides Again" (Steeleye Span, 1971), "Willie & The Poor Boys" (Creedence Clearwater Revival, 1970), "Jesse Winchester" (1971) and "Tumbleweed Connection" (Elton John, 1970). I think there just might be an influence at work.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 23:41:58 CET 2000 from spider-tp012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.177)

Sam

Brian, what was it about Robbie's performance that made it so painful?


Posted on Tue Feb 1 23:35:40 CET 2000 from spider-th073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.78)

Liz

From: the land of the Ice and snow

Pat B , what a great "tie-in" ! Thanks for the BOBBY/OTIS story, I love this place (THE BAND-room)// note: Bob Dylan fans; there will be a new Dylan song included in the New Michael Douglas movie " The Wonder Boys" the song called " Things Have Changed" was written for the film, and he will be in the video [out this month too] Charlie Sexton plays on the song as well as the touring band. 3 other Dylan songs on the soundtrack ...... There are also songs on the ST, from Van Morrison, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen and John Lennon. play on Keep listening.........


Posted on Tue Feb 1 22:46:53 CET 2000 from on-tor-blr-a58-02-93.idirect.com (216.154.6.93)

Rick Kenworthy

From: Toronto

Just a quick reminder that CANOE.CA is still running its Poll for Canadian Music Artist of the Millenium. A brief flurry after Christmas put The Band up to #1 (with 23%), but the group Rush has now reclaimed the lead. (Now since one of my New Year's Resolutions is to be less sarcastic, I won't share my thoughts on this 'competition' to The Band). Anyway, any and all who wish to vote can go to http://cgi.canoe.ca/CANOE2000/polls.html . . . once daily, I believe. Rick K


Posted on Tue Feb 1 22:27:47 CET 2000 from (204.134.109.50)

ken Romero

From: NM

I like music from the 60s and I was wodering if you have the original of last kiss if you do please send me the lyrics. Thanx


Posted on Tue Feb 1 21:46:42 CET 2000 from (194.129.43.14)

Dan

Great story by Pat Brennan re: Otis, Bob and Richard Manuel although I can't help feeling that there are two ways of reading it.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 21:46:19 CET 2000 from spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.203)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I just picked up the latest issue of Relix magazine,a primarily deadhead publication. They have a nice article covering Rick's passing. 3 pages, 5 nice pictures, and accurate content except for his birth-date. The writer covers all facets of Rick's carreer but has especially favorable things to say about the trio albums and Rick's 77 solo album. Also, David Powell, your post regarding the Band-Dead links reminds me of a book I read several years ago. In Rock Skully's autobiography Living With The Dead he focuses mainly on his almost 2 decade relationship with them, mostly as their manager. He mentions The Band and Rick in particular several times an influencing the Dead, especially during the American Beauty/workingnan's Dead period when they concentrated on their vacals/harmonies.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 21:14:06 CET 2000 from du198-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.198)

Ilkka

From: The North Country Blues

Thank you all creative people who have linked to your own web sites! I have enjoyed your art, checked out your unique pictures, listened to your Real Audios and MP3's, played(!) with you and your bands right here in front of my computer.
No one mentioned - no one forgotten...


Posted on Tue Feb 1 20:24:45 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Peter and John: Keith "The Keefer" Hampshire had a minor local hit ("Ebeneezer") with his first 45 on RCA. But his three big hits were all on A&M: "The First Cut Is The Deepest" (the best - masterfully arranged by Gord Fleming as I've said here before), "Big Time Operator" (the worst, but at least it ties to the recently mentioned Zoot Money) and "Daytime, Nighttime". John certainly won't remember this, but the first time I ever saw him was when I won the CKFH top 10 at some point during the summer of '70 (CKFH being his and Hampshire's station). Program Director Duff Roman gave me the records, but at some point John walked past in a velveteen bell-bottomed suit. He was my radio hero at the time, so the event was neater then than it sounds now.

Richard: Thanks for the chance to clarify my I meant when I referred to availability of resources. I didn't mean in any absolute sense, as a wider selection of records is much more easily available today than 35 or 40 years ago. But I find that the sheer volume of potentially interesting "information" (including records) is itself a problem. (I buy very little because I can't make up my mind!) And radio: in the glory days of the hit parade in the '50s and '60s, every kid knew all the songs, and was exposed to all sorts of types of music - because even top 40 stations played a surprising variety until the days of tight formatting arrived. I don't hear much variety on the radio now. Stations are narrowly focused and make little attempt at inclusivity. (This is, to my mind, the one solid argument in Dave Marsh's "Heart of Rock and Soul" Book.)


Posted on Tue Feb 1 20:11:04 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The Grateful Dead's classic "Friend of the Devil" was written by Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter and John Dawson, and was included on the Dead's 1970 album "American Beauty."

As reported recently in Rolling Stone, among the last songs recorded by Rick Danko is a version of another song from that same album, "Ripple." The lyrics to that song were written by Robert Hunter and the music by Jerry Garcia. BTW--the great David Grisman accompanied the Dead on "American Beauty", playing mandolin on both "Friend of the Devil" and "Ripple."

In the book "Skeleton Key: A Dictionary for Deadheads", longtime Dead collaborator Robert Hunter commented: "American Beauty shows the GD playing, singing and songwriting skills in full stride. We had the confidence of a successful record Workingman's Dead behind, plus a shared sense of direction that was in tune with the times--The Band, The Byrds, Poco, CSN&Y & Dylan were all exploring traditional music augmented by the power of rock & roll. Psychedelia had had its moment (marking the GD forever in the public perception) and we were continuing to evolve what we believed to be the logical next step in American msuic, hence the title..."


Posted on Tue Feb 1 18:47:35 CET 2000 from polaris-fw1.nspco.com (206.10.243.20)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

While watching the VH1 List... I dozed off into a daydream... and found myself wondering about how many bands are versatile enough to switch musical genres or just play different stuff... Does anybody out there think it's fair to say the Band has switched course at least three times? I am thinking of the first being a change from rockabilly Hawks to Dylan's Hawks with mathematical guitar, the second being the change to the Basement Tapes Band of wooden music, and then the third being a change to the electric guitar live Band... If you count Robbie solo stuff that opens up other stuff too... I guess what I am wondering as I see the Band failing to make certain Best Lists, is if there has every been a band as versatile... It looks like to me most bands stick to the one thing they know best... Any thoughts...


Posted on Tue Feb 1 18:19:25 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

To Pat: What a great Dylan/Hawks/Otis story! I had never heard that one before. How do you know this story?


Posted on Tue Feb 1 14:20:39 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

Carmen: I know you are a huge Robbie fan. I like him to - i own all his cd's BUT after seeing Robbie sing at the opening of the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame concert in Cleveland, he proved just how awful of a singer he is live. It was, in my opinion a painful performance.

So as to what Band song i would like to see Robbie redo - Well, i couldn't think of any, because that performance just sticks out so much. But because of what he can do with his voice in the studio I got to thinking 'what song would be interesting if he were to re-record an old Band tune' - It took a while to think of and I'm sure a handful of you are going to go "WHAT!" but my choice is King Harvest.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 10:17:21 CET 2000 from spider-tq072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.77)

Clay Teague

From: Montgomery, Alabama

"The Band" is one of my favorite and influential bands. Their music is classic and will always be listened to. I am only 20. My brother introduced them to me when I was 15. I have listened to them since. Two of my favorite songs are "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "It Makes No Difference". My only wish is that they would reunite and go on tour. I have been deprived of hearing them live b/c I was born after my time. I am not sure if members of the band read these, but, if you do, I sure would like y'all to think about that. You have millions of fans who have never had the pleasure of hearing you live. I can only imagine how great it must be by listening to "The Last Waltz". It is the best live album ever produced. They have also had the pleasure of playing with some of my other favorite artists(Clapton, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, and other greats). Music these days is losing the soul and greatness of "The Band" and other classic artists of the 60's and 70's. It would be great if these true artists would start a Renaissance of "good" music. The industry could use it!!! There is no recent music these days that has the soul that those artists put into their music. I have had the pleasure of seeing Bob Dylan, Clapton, Grateful Dead, and the Allman Brothers. "The Band" is the only group left. It is a sin I was born after my time. I guess I love "The Band" so much b/c it is great, Southern music. After my football games in high school, all my friends and I played in our trucks and at parties was "The Band" and other great artists. It is feel good music and it soothes the soul. It always puts a smile on my face. This may sound corny, but my girlfriend and I consider "It Makes No Difference" the best slow song in the world. It is the first song we ever danced to. I put it on in my truck out in the country one summer night when we first started dating. She jokes around and says that is when she fell in love with me. So, I have "The Band" to thank for that too. I know I have gone off on a tangent, but I just wanted to take a few minutes to thank "The Band" for making some of the best music ever composed. I dont know what I would do without it. It has so much enjoyment to times I have had with my friends and family. May the members of this great band be blessed by the good Lord and their music live on forever. Thank you and God Bless "The Band"!!!!!! One more thing, I dont know if the members of this band have ever thought that they had not made a huge impact on music or that their music would not stand the test of time, but I was born years after they were through and I love them. Your music will stand the test of time. My little cousin is only 10 and he loves them. My whole family loves them(and I have a huge family). My grandfather loves The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down b/c his great grandfather fought in the Civil War. He thinks it is a great tribute to the men that fought for what they believed in. Again, thank you!!!!


Posted on Tue Feb 1 06:03:52 CET 2000 from user-33qtag3.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.3)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

So....Dylan and the Hawks play Arie Crown Theater here in Chicago and stay at the Holiday Inn at Ohio and the lake. Dylan's up all night writing a song because he hears that Otis Redding is staying the the same hotel. Bob finishes the tune and grabs Richard Manuel. They head down to the lobby--pretty early in the morning-- to wait for Otis. Eventually Otis arrives. Bob approaches him and introduces himself. He says he wrote a song he wants Otis to record, then pulls out his guitar and sings "Just Like A Woman." Otis smiles and says, "Bob, you record that one."


Posted on Tue Feb 1 05:41:37 CET 2000 from spider-th022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.52)

Liz

From: here

Thanks for sharing that what a great record, David, yes I have "Otis Blue" and some other Otis collections, Turn it up !


Posted on Tue Feb 1 05:17:05 CET 2000 from ppp-209-184-1-229.austtx.swbell.net (209.184.1.229)

Laura Holt

From: Austin

Wanted to say I thought Diamond Lil speaking her mind on the whole "chat Room" closing was very appropriate. Thanx for speaking your mind girl!! .......Wish there were more BAND fans in Austin. Can't seem to find anyone here that listens to anything other than alternative and maybe SOME classic rock. Did all the people with musical taste move or something. I guess I need to go up north huh. Gotta go. Getting sad listening to Ricky sing "Sip the Wine".


Posted on Tue Feb 1 03:45:24 CET 2000 from spider-wc062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.47)

Pac

From: SF CA

Forgot to add that nobody seems to have mentioned two good CD's featuring some of The Band: "The Muddy Waters Woodstock Album" (Garth, Levon) and "Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band" (Rick, Levon, Jim Keltner,Dr. John, Billy Preston, Joe walsh, Nils Lofgren and Clrence Clemons).


Posted on Tue Feb 1 03:36:28 CET 2000 from spider-wc062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.47)

Pacific46

From: SF CA

Re radio over in the UK (and Ireland), can you pick up RTE Radio 1 over there? A very dear friend and incredibly knowledgeable musicologist, writer, DJ, and record producer named PJ Curtis has a program on Sundays now called "A Century of the Blues" that you'd probably love. Look it up on RTE Online (www.rte.ie/radio/blues.html). I see it's produced by Peter Browne, who may be the same lovely writer/uillean piper I knew back in the late '70s there. For those in the States unfamiliar with skiffle music, if I'm not mistaken think of "Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight." I remember it as a kid in the '50s. Skiffle comes up frequently in documentaries on the history of rock 'n' roll, complete with film clips of post-war Englanders swingin' to it in the streets. Stay warm all! It's rainy here, but birds are mating already and Spring is in the air. The Bay Area looks as green as Ireland.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 00:55:49 CET 2000 from 209-130-200-32.nas2.mon.gblx.net (209.130.200.32)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

RICHARD PATTERSON: You're right. "Friend of the Devil" is not really a Band song. And I remember now that Nitzsche was not only a good song writer, but he play a helluva middle linebacker for the Packers back in the 60's.

Oh well....at least I've still got "Freebird" on my little island.

HANK: Back in '96 I was vacationing in the Lakes Region of New Hampshire. When I heard the Band was playing at a venue near Vergennes, Vermont, I took my daughter over to see them play. I remember the soundboard was smoking and almost caught fire. Danko played the whole set with one eye on the soundman, who kept crawling around the soundboard trying to sort things out.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 00:19:58 CET 2000 from trt-on54-33.netcom.ca (216.123.99.161)

John Donabie

PETER VINEY....Do you remember a disc jockey on Radio Caroline by the name of Keith Hampshire? I worked with Keith after he came back to Canada and he had a couple of hits on RCA Canada. My current boss, Alan Slaight was the boss man at Caroline as well for a time.


Posted on Tue Feb 1 00:12:32 CET 2000 from du-tele3-058.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.58)

Peter Viney

David Powell: of course my latest 60s soul tape had ‘Shake’ and ‘My Girl’ from Otis Blue, a rare soul album of its era in that it hangs together as a coherent album, rather than a mix of hits, B-sides and filler.

On Paul, Van and radio. Until circa 1966 we had two choices in the UK, the BBC Light programme, who used live covers by studio bands to avoid "needle time" due to musician’s union rules, and the very low-fi Radio Luxemburg at night only. Some of us still treasure the Oriole show (11.00 – 11.15 on Luxemburg). They distributed early Motown. Then came offshore pirate radio and greater choice. The golden era of British rock (1965-68) came because of pirate radio. This was legitimized when BBC split music radio into Radio 1 (pop) and radio 2 (easy listening) in (I think) 1967, and employed all the pirate DJs. Van and Paul are both ECLECTIC with a capital "E" because they got a mixed diet on our very limited radio. That’s why Van does skiffle and jazz and crooner stuff and R&B and soul. An American Van would have tuned in to one or two types of music because of greater choice. The same for Paul.


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