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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, October 2016


Entered at Mon Oct 31 23:50:07 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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Wow....I was right about the line up of musicians here but I checked just in case......Here's Dylan with Knopfler.......and Sly and Robbie......and.....and.....Mick Taylor!!!!!!!! I've always loved how Bob sings with his eyes.....I think Robbie noticed too.

Raptors soon......Good night!


Entered at Mon Oct 31 23:19:58 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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Hmmmm....as Baez has told us; just when you think you've figured out Dylan.....He's moved on.....Previous video.....I forgot he changed some of the lyrics. lol.....The only woman Bob has stood up for while performing his song YGSS. Btw, Bob's mother is sitting behind him.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 23:18:01 CET 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Fred Tackett on Massey Hall video

BEG, give Fred Tackett a listen. He's also a great guitar player. Never over plays, very tasteful solos. He's played with Little Feat for many years.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 23:01:07 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
Indeed you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything but no matter what you say
Still, you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

Thank you sooooo much Bob FFFFFFFF!!!! When I had previously checked out Dylan's concert at Massey Hall online the quality was so awful that I had to move on. The quality of the show that you shared.........now I can feel like I was there in 1980 after all. My only disappointment.......was not having Mark Knopfler on guitar.....Well....His licks were so tasty on this recording.....Lyrics and music......Love this recording.

Bob Dylan (Gotta Serve Somebody) Grammy 1980

Season Of The Witch...Donovan

Spirit In The Sky...Norman Greenbaum


Entered at Mon Oct 31 20:46:50 CET 2016 from (184.146.88.51)

Posted by:

Kevin J

“Some Sing Some Dance” – Michel Pagliaro……another one of his great songs

Dunc: Thank you ! I was touched that you took the time and listened to that Desert Island list. I had wanted to link “B.B.Q $ Foam” from Joe Ely’s great live album “Live at Liberty Lunch” but seems to not be available on YouTube. I love that whole album.....In looking for it I just listened to a few versions of "If I Were a Bluebird" with Butch Hancock and Jimmie Dale Gilmore......Always a good way to make a day better!

brown eyed girl: Thank you for that thought.

JT: Yes, the Habs are off to a great start and after seeing Carey Price at the top of his game during Canada’s unbeaten World Cup of Hockey Championship, I had a good feeling about how the team might rebound this year. Though, when Price went down with that season ending injury last November, the Habs were in 1st overall. As you know, without him the rest of the way, they had one of the worst overall records and failed to make the playoffs. If they can get some scoring and if Price remains healthy, they will have a chance to win the East , at least. Happy for you that the Leafs are fun to watch this year. The three kids look so good. Matthews will be a major star – little doubt about that but the guy I really believe will be special in very much the way Patrick Kane is – is Mitch Marner. Just a dynamite talent.

Bob F: What a surprise……..stunning link to Bob Dylan at Massey Hall. My favourite concert venue – bar none and Bob in just great form as it turns out. I am sorry that I missed that one though I remember why I was a bit tuned out at the time.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 19:46:12 CET 2016 from (72.143.197.137)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: It's nice to think of Robbie putting his grade 10 typing skills to use, taking over Dylan's Underwood whenever Bob ran down into THE Basement with a sheaf of new lyrics, eager to get Rick or Richard to add a melody.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 19:02:57 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'm corrected. We bobbed for apples, rather than dook for apples.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 18:46:33 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We used to "dip" for apples, and we had apples on strings too, but not treacle tarts. I'd forgotten that. I don't think we had trick or treat at all, and we didn't use the word "guising" at all in Southern England - it's new to me.

Carving turnips sounds both difficult and dangerous, but pumpkins weren't a British thing. We were always much more interested in Guy Fawkes night.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 18:15:25 CET 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks BEG for article - enjoyed it.

Thanks Bob F for link. Will watch it on telly.

Peter, Halloween and Bonfire night were both always quite big. Many children and parents go to organised bonfire displays now, but for many years penny for the guy was popular and making a big bonfire yourselves in your local area was the norm. But people buying loud fireworks that go on for ages is a pain.

There has been a bit of a debate about Halloween this year on radio that Halloween is losing its Scottishness. We went guising, and my children went guising and it is a concern that nowadays some children are trick or treating and don't know the word guising. However the treat bags are ready and many children will recite a poem, sing a song or tell a joke in my house tonight and get a bag for their efforts. Children will dress up.

Children also carve pumpkins now instead of turnips (neeps). I carved turnips when I was a child and so did my children, but it is hard and frustrating.

But I wonder how many families nowadays will dook for apples or eat treacle scones suspended on string. This was widespread once.

But Halloween has grown. You see more displays. One younger neighbour has made a grave yard featuring pumpkins, skeletons and headstone shapes on her front lawn. And there were reports in papers that young adults were spending as much as £80 on Halloween costumes at the weekend and there were lots of Halloween parties.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 15:52:39 CET 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Massey Hall 1980

With this link you can watch an entire Massey Hall show. If you go to around 36 minutes in Dylan is mentioning Ronnie Hawkins is in the audience. He then performs Aint Gonna Go To Hell For Anyone and Cover Down. Two great unreleased songs. The video is really top notch.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 15:43:46 CET 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Slow Train

Great version of Slow Train from Massey Hall, 1980 on Expecting Rain today. One of the tours JT didn't go to but I did. lol

With everything going on with the American Presidential election, some of the lyrics have more meaning today then ever. Big-time negotiators, false healers and woman haters

Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition

But the enemy I see

Wears a cloak of decency

All nonbelievers and men stealers talkin’ in the name of religion

And there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend



Entered at Mon Oct 31 14:51:45 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M...It was 1989 that Robbie's last school changed name from RH King Collegiate to RH King Academy. A former poster was in his grade 10 typing and math classes. Both dropped out in grade 10. I called the school to inquire if any photos of Robbie, but no....none. Anyway, I finally met the poster (was only told about connection with Robbie after one year of friendship) and one of the things we did was visit their school and check out Dylan/The Band stuff at the Hard Rock Cafe.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 14:38:20 CET 2016 from (64.229.12.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Robbie's old school makes the news. It's now calling itself 'Academy', but back in Robbie's day is was probably simply 'High School'. (In my day, another decade or so on, the authorities decided that too many students were taking the name literally, so switched it to 'Secondary School', which it was when I attended the next school east, and later when I passed it twice everyday on the bus on my way downtown to Ryerson.) The arch in the photo is actually all that's left of the building that Robbie would have known. The rest was demolished and replaced in the '80s.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 14:12:36 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Halloween

We did Halloween on Saturday. 16 or 17 years ago we stared in disbelief at all the Halloween stuff in Chicago. It was very minor here. Then it spread here so fast. I blame “The Simpsons.” Now it’s massive with shops laden with stuff. In my youth there was the odd party but not dressing up much, maybe a false moustache or a witch’s hat. Here, November 5th or Guy Fawkes Night was the major event, celebrating burning one Guy Fawkes at the stake after he tried to blow up the king when opening parliament in 1605. It is also called Bonfire Night and Fireworks Night and used to be the only day you ever saw fireworks here. Now Halloween and Guy Fawkes merge together and you hear fireworks for two weeks. In Poole some bastards start them at midnight.

Mrs V grew up in Belfast, so understandably Guy Fawkes was controversial (it was a Catholic plot) and she knew Halloween as a major event as a child which is why the grandkids get a major trick or treat party. Definitely not in Southern England. What about Scotland, Dunc?

This year we put a realistic plastic skeleton in my son’s car, facing the street for my grandkids’ arrival at night. I wanted to drive it around today but was dissuaded.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 11:41:20 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Louuuuu's Hallowe'en Parade was about those lost to Aids. Now when I listen to this song......His music will always exist. One thing I really loved about Louuu is that he honoured those who were the least understood and respected in society. Lou lets you in.....You can live vicariously through him as his world at times was quite different. Of course when he wrote this song and Take A Walk On The Wild Side....and Coney Island Baby as well as others......very different times....... See you next year at the Hallowe'en Parade. Btw, did anyone go to any parties or will be dressing up today? I debated between the plastic bag princess (Robert Munsch's Paper Bag Princess inspired me) and a friendly witch. I chose the witch......Hat and crushed velvet costume bought years ago from our Value Village. Bill M hangs there hunting for music instead. ;-D


Entered at Mon Oct 31 11:03:32 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

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I see that ska band The Specials will be on the cover of Uncut for November. I saw them at our Police Picnic in Oakville, Ontario in 1981.....25,000 in attendance. So much energy and fun with horns and infectious rhythms interlaced......lyrics usually about social injustices .....which are timeless.....Probably my favourite song is Stereotypes Extended version......especially from 3:27.

He's just a stereotype
He drinks his age in pints
He has girls every night
But he doesn't really exist
I don't need no speed to make me go fast
just give me little 45 and 33
stereo
I want to be free
I'm a stereotype
stereo stereo
I don't want you
I don't want no drink
I don't want no beer
I don't want no whisky to feel so frisky
all I smoke is my herbs
I'm a stereotype
I don't want to be hyped

Concert began with Oingo Boingo....Killing Joke.....both groups weren't resonating with me but the crowd got reved up.....Go Go's......I can't remember them at all.....but Iggy Pop.....fantastic!!!!!.......
"Next were the Specials. They were among the first major Ska bands, Ska being a British dance genre originating from Caribbean Reggae. Their music is highly danceable, advertised as 2-Tone, black and white: seven members, including a horn section. The lead-up to the Police was insanely cool." Concert ended with The Police. Yiiikes.....I can't remember them as well.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 10:07:40 CET 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Inside Bob Dylan’s 80s: “He was an agent provocateur; he had a saboteur in him.

Allan Jones and Damien Love
October 14, 2016


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson on his best albums, from The Band to Dylan

Graeme Thomson
September 30, 2016


Entered at Mon Oct 31 05:20:07 CET 2016 from (103.24.49.36)

Posted by:

Football Players Squad

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Subject: offside adalah

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Posted by:

Football Players Squad

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Subject: Football Players Squad

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Entered at Sun Oct 30 22:04:25 CET 2016 from (24.114.56.99)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bob's award is for his words, not his tunes, right? So we should expect him to recite, not sing. I hope he avoids "One Too Many Mornings", 'cause I'll miss Rick's harmony when he gets to "behiiinnd".


Entered at Sun Oct 30 20:40:37 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Dignity

Its time to restate that Bob Dylan is a kind a gracious man. In write this after being disturbed by the writings of the press after the Nobel announcement.

I just listened to his tribute to Bobby Vee and his rendition of 'Susie Baby' from that evening in 2013. He is all grace and dignity and he shows it over and over again. This is Bob Dylan today. I don't buy the BS of the media as it paints a man with one colour when it suits their purpose.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 20:14:24 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: FLIT yes!

FLIT: Peter V: Best material is that sung by Becky Unthank. A very good effort and right up there. First rate+++++


Entered at Sun Oct 30 20:08:12 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Danius

Sara Danius should not miss calls. If I was expecting a call from a winner, I'd be vigilant.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 19:46:25 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Missed call

I noted this yesterday. The most interesting part of this Nobel story is the 'missed call' by the Nobel secretariat. No one is commenting on it in the media. Did this really happen? If it did, how noble... like a noble gas.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 19:37:11 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Stockholm

Peter V: Those who think Bob will sing in Stockholm at the ceremony are dreaming in technicolor. It ain't gonna happen. I'd be shocked. I don't think readings occur and unless something unique is planned, I don't think so.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 18:03:02 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In a record store today, the conversation moved from will Bob go to Stockholm, to will he sing or will he give a speech, to if he sings, which song will he sing.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 15:38:53 CET 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Recognizes Nobel

After 15 days of an apparent silent treatment, Bob Dylan has made his first public statements about winning the Nobel Prize for Literature.

“It’s hard to believe, amazing, incredible. Whoever dreams about something like that?” Dylan told The Telegraph in his first interview since the Swedish Academy announced the honor on Oct. 13. Dylan was recognized for “having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition.”

The award briefly got some airtime on his website before it was quickly removed, and the musician famously shuns media, but he made an exception for this.

“If I accept the prize? Of course,” Dylan said, according to a Nobel Prize news release. “The news about the Nobel Prize left me speechless. I appreciate the honor so much,” he told Sara Danius, Permanent Secretary of the Swedish Academy.

The prestigious honor’s unlikely recipient seemed to splinter the internet. President Obama took to Twitter to congratulate Dylan, but some authors took to Twitter to sound off about the crossover artist whose published works remixed literary traditions. Dylan is the first musician to be recognized for the honor. Without him, the protest movements of the’60s would have happened, but they might have lost their soundtrack.

As for the question of whether he’ll attend the awards ceremony in Stockholm, his answer was non-committal. “Absolutely. If it’s at all possible.”


Entered at Sun Oct 30 15:06:15 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Fomenting craziness

Hello: This is important. Can you please tell Mr. Dylan that he has been given the Nobel Prize.

Is this urgent? He's on stage right now singing 'Things Have Changed'. I can't disturb him right now.

No. Not urgent. He can wait a few days and let the press get all fired up and then all kinds of dumbness can evolve and the myths can resurface. The press can foment whatever they foment.

Sounds good.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 14:39:44 CET 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Wrong information on Dylan issue posted by me. Sorry.

This is what happened (I believe). - The one who got flowers from Mr. Dylan was Ms. Marita Ulvskog, the soc.dem. European Parliament Member. A raunchy 60+ Francoise Hardy / Joan Baez type woman. She said to Mr. Pagrotsky something like "you should talk with Bobby to get him to Stockholm". He answered something like "you should do that, it was you who got the flowers."

All this is a second hand information from social media. BTW It is neither_SOCIAL_ or a _MEDIA_. Every tenth person in so called civilized part of the world (old people, very young people, poor people, disabled people, sick people) are and will be outside this digital world. - Sorry for being carried out but fighting against Internet as a devil's weapon is my hobby. I keep on fighting this war in Finnish forums!


Entered at Sun Oct 30 13:49:47 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Cohen dances

Sorry Bob F: I just saw it (reading old posts below). But its such a good song. Worth repeating.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 13:01:31 CET 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Bob Dylan, twice.

1.) From my diary: - "October 23 1968, 11.28: Eating pulled beef and smashed potatoes, listening to 'Frankie Lee and Judas Priest'. What an irony to call him for FRANKIE BOY!"

Obviously, it was not irony at all when thinking about Mr. Dylan's recent albums. But like a famous line says: "I was so much younger then, I am older than that now" ;-)

2.) Mr. Dylan contacted Nobel people from New York. Mr. Leif Pagrotsky (you must know him by now!) works in New York. One plus one, just a coincidence? But like they say somewhere in the middle of Montana: coincidences never happen by coincidence.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 13:01:12 CET 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Shoes of the Italian persuasion

Angelina: I remember that song, But not the video, So I checked it out. Good choice for rain boots! : )


Entered at Sun Oct 30 10:32:15 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Punk Fried & collectibles

I read the Uncut article on the Early Pink Floyd box set., which sets new records at £350 ($425) for 27 CDs. They described some of the early tracks which had never been officially released and are in crystal clear quality. I am definitely not a Pink Floyd fan, but I thought the 2 CD version at £14 would be worth looking at on amazon. Not one of the mentioned rarities is on it, and who needs a 2016 remaster of See Emily Play and Arnold Layne? (I have both on original 45s).

But these mega box sets are with us to stay. As with the Led Zeppelin single album CD / vinyl box set remasters. Some of those are on amazon at £133 or £124. They're sold as "collectibles" and "solid investments." My local secondhand vinyl store has both the £133 and the £124 advertised ones. At £50 each.

My mum used to get one of those Franklin plates that cost £40 for Christmas. She loved them, put them on the wall. "Collectibles. Will appreciate in value." Charity shops are full of them at £5 each.

The other is Folio Society classic books in slip cases with specially commissioned illustrators, gold edging etc. Sold as "investments." I pick up the Shakespeare plays that sold at £18 25 years ago, because they're in good sized print and have no footnotes or annotations. I usually pay £3 to £4 for them.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 10:20:33 CET 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Ragtime. I hadn't picked up the title or author. The translator and publisher did the book no favours. The BBC announcer had said it was about the aftermath of the war in Holland, and I was fascinated because Tamar by Mal Peet is a great story, set in the starvation winter of 1945. I thought, 'Ah, what happens next?' Then the translator informed us that nothing really happened, and that it was like Sartre, Camus and Kafka. The BBC guy's intro made me think "I must read this" saying it was weird it had never been in English, as it had been translated into several languages, and that it was a masterpiece. Then the translator sort of removed all my interest! They'd have been better if the BBC had just done a piece on it without interviews.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 08:42:26 CET 2016 from (173.3.49.123)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Weather Report. Special.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 04:18:11 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Strange Days have found us

Strange Days, Jeff, very strange days.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 04:06:10 CET 2016 from (173.3.49.123)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Just saw this on the news. Metropolitan Opera House here was evacuated.

Peter Gelb: "We appreciate opera lovers coming to The Met. We hope they will not bring their ashes with them." Pretty sure I got that quote right...

A guy from out of town came, during intermission he sprinkled the ashes of a dead friend in the orchestra pit.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 03:36:14 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: fictional truth

So when you are seemingly obstreperous and not walking the line, everyone pays attention and has something to say; but, when you are conciliatory and agreeable, you are ignored....or is it just a weekend of 'truth is stranger than fiction' lunacy in the news and a Nobel prize isn't front and centre.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 03:15:52 CET 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: '..To The End Of Love'

And then there is Leonard Cohen's 'Dance Me To The End Of Love' (unless its already been mentioned?).


Entered at Sat Oct 29 20:58:53 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries
Web: My link

Subject: De Avonden

Peter Viney mentioned a Dutch novel from 1947 being translated into English. It is called "De Avonden (The Evenings)" and its author is Gerard Reve (1923-2006).

Its translation is surely overdue, but comparing Gerard Reve to Sartre, Camus and Kafka is surely overdone, as much as I love the book. It's merely about feelings of nausea, void, Angst, "fear and loathing in the low countries" in the years after the war, when everybody was ready and willing to rebuild the country and restore society, save Frits van Egters, the hero of this story, who tried to escape the stuffy home of his parents without a clue how to do it.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 18:29:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Art School Dance Goes On Forever

A friend of mine got interested in listing songs with "Twist" in the title. He got dozens, showed it to me, and I found another twenty or so. if the dance titles extend much more, I might list them!

"Things May Come and Things May Go but the Art School Dance Goes on Forever" was the first LP by Pete Brown (Cream lyricist) with Piblokto! I saw them in Norwich in the open air on the same bill as Screaming Lord Sutch. Screaming Lord Sutch was better. There must be very few gigs where that could be said.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 18:25:05 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Chronicles … one paper remarked last week that Dylan certainly didn't get the prize for Tarantula.

My goodness, there will be novels on conspiracy theories for decades on the FBI's very late foray into the democratic process. I know there are websites full of suff, but how come the mainstream news never enquires how you can run hotel / casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas and have no … er … "connections."

At the end of the day Putin was rubbing his hands with glee at the Brexit vote, and will be cracking open a bottle of champagne today on the news. The Russians really want the destabilising effect on the West of Trump.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 18:24:59 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Sweet Dancer

Sweet Dancer - The Waterboys

Don't Forget To Dance - The Kinks

Dance The Night Away - The Mavericks


Entered at Sat Oct 29 17:37:20 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Don't Stop The Dance...(I will...lol)...Bryan Ferry

"Some dance to remember
Some dance to forget."

The Eagles...Hotel Cali

Out of all the dance videos I posted.....Phil Lynott and Thin Lizzzzy gave me the most joy. Phil is really missed.....He had the IT factor in so many ways. Another musician who lived too fast and too soon gone.

For Fred....Italian Shoes...Mink Deville
Btw, the shoes worn by Willy Deville in video are the same pattern as my rubber rain boots. Too much info? lol

I waa just teasing Peter. I included a wink after my statement. I really enjoyed L'etranger by Camus. I surmised that he viewed life as simply bizarre. At times it sure is. Think American politics as we "speak". If I were an American I would have voted for Sanders.....as I don't like Trump or Clinton. Forced to make a choice as Bernie isn't on the ticket......Rollie would have emailed and told me about a conspiracy theory...... :-D

I don't have Nauseau by Sartre......not even sure if I even tried to read it. Besides his book of short stories Wall.....I only have Age of Reason, Iron In The Soul and The Reprieve. I would recommend Age of Reason as his finest. Once someone (painter inspired by Impressionsists) who I met while working at our major Art Gallery called me and said he was having an existential experience in relation to whether he should ask me out......... I should have known that if he was experiencing that much angst........Sure enough.....I think he dumped me after a few dates. Shortly after there was a play on Jean Paul Sartre and Simone De Beavoir in town. It was around the same time I saw Sartre's play "No Exit".....and observed......yes, at times....."Hell is other people". I had my own existential experience and saw it on my own. ;-D

As for Dylan I couldn't wait to get my hands on Chronicles........oddly enough......totally disappointed and sold my book.

Off to the gym.....need to deal with all this blah, blah energy lately.

Happy Saturday to all!


Entered at Sat Oct 29 17:10:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: FLIT - Roll Away

Link to Adam Holmes on Roll Away, by Flit. Review was earlier today.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 16:49:50 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Whoop, sorry, Angelina! When I say "They're boring" I mean "They bore me." I recall liking The Outsider (L'etranger) at the time, but on revisiting, I couldn't understand why. I never got Nausea, well, I did, but in a different sense.

Different strokes, but what I meant to say is that Dylan's popularity, ability to communicate to many people, put him up there with not only Steinbeck and Hemingway, but with (say) Shakespeare and Dickens. All were widely popular in their day way beyond an intellectual elite. And you wouldn't commission an HBO mini series on Sartre.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 15:56:10 CEST 2016 from (24.114.74.88)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Ah, I do detect a rebellious stance. Shall I put you in the Sartre column?


Entered at Sat Oct 29 15:20:55 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I'm Happy Just To Dance With You...The Beatles
Dance...The Rolling Stones


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

All She Wants To Do Is Dance...The Eagles


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dance Me Down Easy...Levon Helm
Crab Dance...Cat Stevens
Come On And Dance...Cat Stevens
For A Dancer...Emmylouuu Harris and Linda Ronsdadt
Ry Cooder...Seneca Square Dance

Peter...Are you saying that I'm pretentious and boring? ;-D I have Camus and Sartre in my book collection. The only book by Sartre that I was disappointed was _The Wall_. The other three are great. "Hell is other people." No Exit by Sartre.....Very annoying that those with clout in the literary world do not give his long time companion the same respect and adoration....Simone DeBeauvoir. I have all of her novels....all nine of them....._Mandarin_ is the most complete in particular. I am in the process of reading her first hand accounts of her stay in the US...._America Day By Day__I am totally engaged with her writing as she evinces brilliantly the connections between feminism, history and politics.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: FLIT/ Cohen

Peter V: Thanks for FLIT review. I'll be listening to that later today.

I saw/heard something like this in Vancouver a couple of years ago by a group of actors/musicians doing Leonard Cohen. It is a great way to fuse music and theatre when the music forms the centre of a narrative.


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JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Missed call - we all have them

Apparently, Dylan called Danius (Nobel committee and announcer) last week (Tuesday) but the call was missed!


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Nobel site

From the Nobel site:

On 13 October, 2016, the Swedish Academy announced that this year’s Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Bob Dylan "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition". This week Bob Dylan called the Swedish Academy. “The news about the Nobel Prize left me speechless”, he told Sara Danius, Permanent Secretary of the Swedish Academy. “I appreciate the honor so much.”


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: After all the hoo-hah

Edna Gundersen 29 10 16 : The Telegraph: paraphrased - He'll be there (Nobel Ceremony) if he can/ And happy to win.

Now, back to work.

"All the tired horses in the sun

How am I supposed to get any riding done?

All the tired horses in the sun

How am I supposed to get any riding done?"



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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Speechless

Good long Dylan piece in today’s Daily Telegraph. As the BBC reported, he has not been “silent” he has instead been “speechless.”

On Thursday Radio 4 they were talking about a famous Dutch novel from 1947 that has finally been translated into English. I was driving at the time, but the publisher or translator said that while nothing actually happened in the book, it was important because it was like Sartre, Camus and Kafka, and look at the effect they had on “all of us.”

I thought he has a different definition of “all of us” than most people do. I wouldn’t compare Dylan ever to Sartre, Camus or Kafka, who one might try to read fighting back terminal boredom at 20 because pretentious is good at that age. When revisited they are dull to a ludicrous degree.

No, Dylan lines up with the other American literary great prize winners, Faulkner, Hemingway and Steinbeck. They had popular appeal, especially Hemingway and Steinbeck. Their stuff could genuinely be claimed to be read by millions and enjoyed by millions while having artistic merit. Dylan is in good company.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

To be met with Sartre, Camus and Dylan first post this morning after a night out at a great Italian and a few glasses of red has given me an intellectual start to the day, Bill M.

Interesting Bob F. I do have one Del McCoury album, which The Mountain took me into.

Enjoyed the dancing links. I bought a Poco collection, Jeff, years ago when you were enthusing about them. Enjoyed the Ray Parker track, but had never heard of him.

I forgot, Peter, I once owned Go Now on Wings Over America. I am buying and enjoying the remastered Paul McCartney series. I have McCartney 11. Band on the Run and Ram. Will get Wings Over America to save buying Go Now album.

Liked hearing about your dad, BFG. I really enjoy different folk dancing.

Here is a great link for Bluegrass Clog Dancing. Brilliant. Americans will probably know it. But I keep wondering what's going to happen when somebody interrupts the party to tell them that Billy Jo McKechnie has jumped off the Tallahassee Bridge.

Away to 3 to 5 year olds football now.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Flit

Review of folk supergroup, FLIT. Linked. Features Martin Green (Lau), Becky Unthanks (The Unthanks), Adrian Utley (Portishead), Dominic Aitchinson (Mogwai) and singer-songwriter Adam Holmes. A show on the edge between concert and theatre, with animation projected, and a major lighting set up. These are tales of migration with folk tunes and electronic synth and accordion, guitar and bass.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: so Bob's in!

Answering the difficult question of in or out shows once again how hard it is to be an existentialist. Sartre and Camus agreed that we are pointless beings in a meaningless universe. Despite his reputation as a sourpuss, Sartre took the positive view and argued that this meant that it is up to each of us to give ourselves and our universe meaning. Camus, on the other hand, argued that there's no point in doing anything about anything, especially rebelling. Bob's always been a rebel (anti-US, anti-anti-US, anti-religion, anti-anti-religion, ...), so a Sartre guy, but should he in this case rebel against the prize, or rebel against the notion that he should rebel? You can see his dilemma and why it took him so long to sort it out.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: three that came to my mind ...

"Sabre Dance" by Love Sculpture

"Dancin' Fool" by the Guess Who (when Robbie's understudy and replacement in Hawkins' Hawks, Domenic Troiano, was in the group)

"Zanz Can't Dance" / "Vanz Can't Dance" by John Fogerty


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Location: Chaim Schmuck Dance Studio
Web: My link

Subject: Dancin The Night Away - Amazing Rhythm Aces

Also a masterpiece. Whole album was. I'm pretty sure it's the closer on the record, here on this you tube upload they have another song following it. Worth listening to the very end of the song for the whole fade. The original recording had such great sound, separately the studio dynamics of this band was brilliant.


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Let's Dance Tonight- Poco

Last two times i saw Richie perform he delivered this one like he was thirty years old. 2005 in Chicago & once after that, where or when i can't recall. I also recall some spectacular urgent performances of this with SHF & or his solo band(the former in the later 70s, 80s).


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Posted by:

Glenn T

Subject: Dance

Mystery dance - Elvis Costello


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dance, Dance, Dance...The Beach Boyzzzz

Many thanks to those who danced along.
It's Toronto Raptor time.....I'll watch the World Series when there are commercials.......so good night to all.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dance With My Father...Luther Vandross

I always heard that my Dad was an amazing dancer....especially folk dancing and also a skilled soccer player in Europe. I would have loved to have danced with him. Maybe when I dance it's my way of connecting with the father I never knew due to a very early passing. The other reason I've been channeling dance music lately is because my Co-Op is having a Hallowe'en party tomorrow night and we're a very diverse community. I wouldn't want to have it any other way.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dancing On The Floor (Hooked On Love)...Third World
Dancing' On The Ceiling...Lionel Richie
Private Dancer...Tina Turner
Dancing Machine...The Jackson Five
You Make Me Feel Like Dancing...Leo Sayer
Save The Last Dance For Me...The Drifters


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dancing In The Moonlight...Thin Lizzzzzy
Come Dancing...The Kinks


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Posted by:

Bob F

Dancing Barefoot - Patti Smith

Last Dance - Donna Summer

Dance Me To The End Od Love - Leonard

Always Dancing - The Waterboys


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA
Web: My link

Subject: dancing fools

I Can't Dance by Gram & Emmylou (not the Phil Collins song) She recut it later on one of her records. I used to play it in the country rock band in the late 70's. Ironically, people danced to it.

And of course, Save the Last Dance for Me, which Emmylou (and many others) did.

Didn't Frank Zappa have a song Dancin' Fool?


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Posted by:

joan

Subject: Oops

That should be only one dancer


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Dancing

Tiny Dancer Dancer Elton John


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Let's Go Baby (Where The Action Is)

Dunc mentioned Let's Go Baby (Where The Action Is) as unfamiliar. It was the B-side of Barefootin' and one where every DJ I knew played both sides. I prefer it to Barefootin' in the end. Link to a live (but mimed) performance by Robert Parker.


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC - Are you pro-tected, pro-jected, pro-fessed, Progresso-ed, or processed?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ghost Dance...Robbie Robertson

The Last Waltz...The Band


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dance Away...Roxy Music


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Madman of the North West Coast: You need more or less booze.

NWC, unless you are inferring that we Yids are all alike :-), you quoted JT & credited it to me. As soon as I read that I could tell by the structure I didn't write it.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For sadavid.... :-D

I Can't Dance...Phil Collins


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Moondance...Van Morrison
Dancing In The Streets...Martha and The Vandellas/Mick Jagger and David Bowie
All She Wants To Do Is Dance...Don Henley
Dancing In The Dark...Bruce Springsteen


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

CBC's Rex Murphy defends the nobel laureate's silence on winning the Nobel Prize for literature.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Positive energy

And pro- proton


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Auntie Mame

And I am anti -Auntie Mame.


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Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Who said what?

"By the way, I really appreciate the writings of all who enter here and I just wanted to say that, This place enriches my daily life. That must be a good thing. Thank you."

My gb friend Jeff A said that.

"I am anti-semitic, anti-islamist, anti-communist, anti-globalist, anti-Eu, anti-WallStreet, anti-drummplayers, anti-fascist, anti-nazi, anti-anti. I should be pro-something, shouldn't I? I am pro-"J": pro-Jeff, pro-Jan, pro-JT, pro-Joan, pro-Jesus, pro-Jack Daniels, pro-Jragtime pro-Jones, pro-Jnorbert."

I said that.

"Bob Dylan will be on our list to eternity."

Nobel Committee said that.

"Eternity?"

Frankie Lee said that.

"Eternity, said Frankie Lee with a voice as could as ice. Yes, eternity said Judas Priest, though you might call it Paradise."

Bob Dylan said that.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Indigo Toronto

Did anyone in Toronto go to Indigo to meet Bruce Springsteen yesterday? Heather Reisman must be recognized for her efforts (past and present) to bring Robbie Robertson, Sting, and many others and now Bruce Springsteen to the Indigo store at Bay and Bloor when important books are released.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Song and Dance Man...Bob Dylan...In my drama/dance class I had the students improvise dance movements to Dylan's songs via The String Quartet Tribute To Dylan featuring violin, viola and cello.
Dance To The Music...Sly And The Family Stone...Get up get up and dance to the music
Let's Dance...David Bowie
Sally Can't Dance...Louuuu Reed
Dancing Queen...Abba
BatDance...Music by Prince
Safety Dance...Men Without Hats
I Wanna Dance With Somebody...Whitney Houston
Dancing With Myself...Billy Idol
Dancing In The Moonlight...King Harvest


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Felony

If Bob Dylan hadn't ''kidnapped 'me in 1963-1964, then Paul Simon would have shortly thereafter. (and then Leonard Cohen).

In fact, they did.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lucent

Peter V(and Roger): Enjoy Paul Simon. What comes through for me when I listen to and read about Paul Simon is the perception he gives that "I'm just one of you". He is the common man with the clear ability to express what we live and think and breathe. An I agree. Both lyric and delivery of song -- lucent.


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Peter V

JT, I (and Roger) are due to see Paul Simon next week. Paul Simon as well as a gift for lyrics, articulates them beautifully. In my use of real songs in my English teaching days, his voice was the clearest of anyone. In recent years, Hearts & Bones is my most played Paul Simon album too. We have Graceland in the car, as the only surefire no disagreement "What shall we listen to?" Mrs V's Top 10s are always topped by Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Thoughts

Its good to review previous entries to see what you missed. I'm up early and doing just that. With time on my hands and the need to speak (to no one since I'm in this room alone right now), I'm writing. Its Ray Pence who I just read from his most recent entry. Yes, I agree. I also don't care who a song is about (You cite "Mr Jones" etc). Its the images which are evoked from the words that I care about.

As for giving an award to Dylan, that period from 1964 to 1969 would be more than enough. That is not to diminish the rest of his work. There is more than enough to confirm that Dylan is worthy of everything positive that comes his way. Anyway who doesn't see it (forget his celebrity status for a minute: Just look at the written words page after page in "Lyrics") misses the point. As Leonard Cohen says, (paraphrased) - giving Bob Dylan this award is liking giving an award to Mount Everest for being the highest mountain (if it is?).

By the way, I really appreciate the writings of all who enter here and I just wanted to say that, This place enriches my daily life. That must be a good thing. Thank you.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Paul Simon

In fact, I've been thinking a lot about Paul Simon lately. In those early writings, he reminds us all of personal values and as he ages, his words mirror the lives of middle America and the values that are timeless and traditional for those of us who appreciate the good and the difficult that life directs our way. If there was a prize for humanism in writing, Tennessee Williams and Paul Simon would be my first nominees. If you haven't read the former, go back and experience the hardship of having an emotional centre of consciousness and how 'pain sure brings out the best in people, doesn't it" (to quote another bard)


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Institution

When Jean Paul Sartre actually refused the Nobel Prize in 1964, he wrote that ' a writer should not allow himself to be turned into an institution.'. Sartre had no choice in the matter. Neither does Dylan. If your work becomes the standard, it becomes 'an institution' and you by extension are part of that.

Wikipedia defines institution: Institutions are "stable, valued, recurring patterns of behavior."[1] As structures or mechanisms of social order, they govern the behaviour of a set of individuals within a given community. Institutions are identified with a social purpose, transcending individuals and intentions by mediating the rules that govern living behavior

Key words: valued, recurring patterns of behaviour/ social order/ social purpose/ etc)

Both Sartre and Dylan to the reader/listener have by definition become public institutions, like it or not. They have by their writings described/defined/drawn in words in their time social behaviour and purpose.

As Steve Miller so eloquently said it: "Take The Money and Run".


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Oh what a time'

Bill M: I agree. What was done in that basement was a reflection of combined creativity, musical fun, and life. What a wonderful mix and how lucky we all are to have had the opportunity to share that experience, even though second hand.

Simon (and Garfunkel) said it best: ?"Bookends" Time it was And what a time it was, it was A time of innocence A time of confidences Long ago it must be I have a photograph Preserve your memories They're all that's left you."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Go Now

Denny Laine did "Go Now" with Wings on the Live & Let Die Tour. Excellent.

I was torn on The Small Faces whether to put All or Nothing (LINKED) in my main ten, or my discotheque soul ten. Like Keep On Running and Let's Hang On it fitted among classic 60s soul and no one ever noticed a join. Great song.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

I loved dancing, Lisa.

Thanks BEG.

Thanks Bob F. Small Faces and The Who were on my previous list and I tried to get 10 different bands. But I have totally forgotten about Go Now which I think is great. The album containing Go Now was rereleased this year and I really like Denny Laine. I'll probably get it. This week I bought the remastered Band On The Run and it is great.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Check-mate

Bill I googled and found:

Check-Mate was a subsidiary of the Chicago-based Chess label. When Anna was bought by Berry Gordy in April 1961, Gwen Gordy and Billy Davis continued to sell Anna's master tapes to Chess. Check-Mate was started to release Detroit- area artists, and a number of Anna masters were released on Check-Mate during 1961 and 1962.

The link takes you to a Check-mate discography, with Paul London & The Kapers in there in November 1961 for Sugar Baby. It's a Chess label I'd never heard of … though they released as Checker, Argo, Aristocrat, Cadet and Cadet Concept.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 03:35:48 CEST 2016 from (24.114.90.133)

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Bill M

Most of you will, like I, have seen reference to the recent passing of Phil Chess of Chess Records. I've seen no mention of what I believe was a Chess subsidiary, Checkmate, which released the second 45 by the Kapers (nee the Capers), whose lineup included one Garth Hudson on sax and keyboards. Anyone know if Garth ever met a Chess?


Entered at Fri Oct 28 03:13:43 CEST 2016 from (75.98.19.133)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: on second thought, let's ...

BEG: Thanks for the link. "They weren't thinking of these songs for release" is an interesting statement. I have no doubt that it's true - they weren't. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have (as eventual release resulted in a Grammy) or wouldn't soon (see "Self Portrait"). Me, I think they're a more telling self-portrait than "Self Portrait" as well as a fascinating group portrait that deserves more consideration than the box set has received (including here).


Entered at Fri Oct 28 01:51:26 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Correct Bill M.

Bruce had fans come up to him and with open arms hugged him.....and he was gracious to all.

Dylan’s Basement Tapes: it sounded like nonsense, says his ‘cover girl’
Woodstock insider Sally Grossman recalls star’s ‘throwaway stuff’ as complete recordings of legendary sessions are released

The other cover girl on one of my Dylan books is actually Sara Dylan...Wanted Man: In Search of Bob Dylan

When I Grow Up, I Will Win the Nobel Peace Prize...Isabel Pin....Not your average book for kids as the words on each page don't correspond to the pictures.
"Like the boy in this book, we all have high aspirations. The hard part is knowing where to begin."

ray pence...Please forgive me....It was such a pleasant surprise to see you drop by! You continue to elevate any conversation here. Than you. Hope everything is good with you. :-D


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Existential thoughts

I did like the NYT article, Jeff, because it connected other ideas and was not just BS.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 00:31:08 CEST 2016 from (75.98.19.133)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: You mentioned some time ago, I believe, that your brother's friend's band was the Shan-da-leers (or similar). I think they became Major Hoople's Boarding House, aka Hoople's. Galt's best musical export in my books is guitarist Ed Patterson (Good Shepherds, Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers, Brahman, Hans Staymer Band, etc.)


Entered at Fri Oct 28 00:27:41 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.142)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry.The advent of the internet has increased the number of media mouths, and by a thousand fold increased the number of incompetent media feeders. Today any old moron or sage can be or think he or she is a journalist....The NYT article had some very good obvious and previously used points that are relevant. Things many of us have thought on our own previously, possibly in many cases in relation to other things or in general, and not necessarily tied to dylan, or read previously.

Sadavid- I always considered you to be a poster of substance.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Silence is deafening

Does anyone else have tinnitus from the cornucopia of articles about the 'Dylan silence'. Its all too much. Dylan's silence has raised a roar that is deafening. Enough already! Everyone has opinions. The strangest are those that think that Dylan has to do 'fan-friendly' acts and be what others expect him to be and do. (Sure, it might make some people happy to maintain that type of order in the universe where one has to do certain things or else...) The media won't let up and the message is clear. The prize was not given with conditions. It was given. Period! If he acknowledges it at some point and/or goes.... good. If he doesn't, then that is ok too. As I said... enough already.


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Going once, going twice!

Rememebr when there were publishing companies who would pay a good songwriter an advance on a song or songs,, or an advance to have what he or she was going to write.And that was enough. Well they still exist, but, to far less effect, and make deals with less and kless songwriter all the time. Cause most, not all, of the potential money has been taken out of the equation.

But there always are scavengers who know how to suck or pick the last piece of meat off a bone.....and it;s sometimes a virtue too.but i'd think it'd be much better if those business people devoted themselves to actually healing the industry and making it better for writers- there fore better for consumers, listeners..... Then again, many business people think the main thrust of business is the making f money. and that is why they get wealthy even when art is poor or suffering.

More on the new internet run auction method of selling your royalty stream. In a period where songwriters can;t make a living, companies have found methods to purchase the skeletal remains of songwriters who are desperate enough or enough in need to sell off the little they have left that is making money. Of course, i wouldn't be surprised if the people behind this company also often are related to or in business with buyers............and of course, anyone buying may have a real good shot at increasing the royalty or benefiting from increased exploiitation another way too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dance To The Music

I’ve often pondered dancing, such as when watching female backing vocalists automatically dancing, and the guys not.

Yesterday, with a 3 year old boy and a 5 year old girl, both frantically dancing to Trini Lopez on La Bamba (Mickey Jones on drums) there is no gender difference. By ten or eleven there is. It must be Western culture as other cultures prize male dancers. We must stop the boys dancing in some way.

The worst is professional musicians. Solo singers might dance. Generally the rest of the band don’t. I say this having shared flats with pro musicians, gone to dances with them, all in the hope of meeting the opposite sex, and they will not dance. They’ll move on stage when being paid, but somehow think that providing the music for dancers excuses them from dancing themselves. Odd.


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Jeff A.

Lisa, Dancing is great, but for me not to disco. Rock and roll, great instrumental music, Dead type music, there's plenty more. In any event, when i could, or can dance, is strictly spinal related for me. when it feels like there's a knife in my tailbone, or when it feels like I'm paralyzed between the shoulder blades ( which actually is from a cervical injury), there's no dancing.

Rog, Dunc, I'm glad that the Dylan Nobel Silence article had something for you.


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Posted by:

Lisa

There you go! You broke through, and isn't it great?

Dance is music, and music is dance. That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. (Well, almost ...)


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: to frug or not to frug

"Better to remain a wallflower and be thought a fool than go on the dance floor and remove all doubt."

I was once a non-dancer, except after too-liberal applications of uninhibiting substances.
I now dance, with great pleasure, on account of 2 things: 1) with advancing age, no longer give a rat's what anyone thinks; 2) partner insists.
Substances still welcome.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:36:06 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Oops

I guess I meant non-dancers in the last sentence. Though dancers' opinions are welcome too!


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:27:56 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Disco

The thing about disco (musical quality aside) was that it was so much fun to dance to. You had a partner you actually danced with, and with a little practice you could get quite good.

So I have a question for the guys here: what is it with men and dancing? Why aren't there more guys who are good dancers, or who even like to dance? Is it some sort of inhibition? Can't hear the beat? Think it's too girly? There must be a reason that the balance between the sexes is so off-kilter. Any dancers out there with some answers?


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:25:08 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: flamingos; other byrds

Yet another band with birdish name.
I always thought this track was early-Byrds clone, but on hearing P.Flamingo, I'm not sure but there isn't some Mann in the DNA as well.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:07:56 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Edgy!!!!!!! Woow!!!! Bruce Springsteen is at Indigo bookstore!!!! Everyone is getting a handshake and then he puts his arm around you and then a photo with him. Around 600......prearranged limit. Bravo Bruce!!!!


Entered at Thu Oct 27 17:58:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Pretty Flamingo

From my Manfred Mann Toppermost, Bill:

Pretty Flamingo. The sound of 1966 for me. A UK #1 too, though less successful elsewhere. It summed up the “pre-1967” growing mood. With The Rolling Stones Paint It Black at the same time, there were John The Baptist hints of the Summer of Love in the song. Her hair glows like the sun and her eyes can light the sky were taken as innocent, though a year later it would have been psych. It came from mainstream commercial songwriter Mark Barkan (so it was innocent), and allegedly it was intended for The Drifters. This was recorded in the era when Jack Bruce was bass guitarist, so is his biggest British single hit. It was my then girlfriend’s favourite song, one where the auto-changer arm got lifted on the Dansette to allow it to replay again and again. Bruce Springsteen is fond of performing it live, possibly in gratitude for Manfred Mann’s Earth Band’s hit version of his Blinded By The Light.

NEW … I've seen The Manfreds several times. It's always a highlight … especially as Paul Jones looks and sounds exactly the same. LINK to the original music video (I think it is … the cars are 1966). Hilarious to see the obligatory YouTube prat preferring Bruce's cover. I'm sure Bruce wouldn't agree.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 16:53:43 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Bob and Alfred Nobel

Jeff - interesting article. I'd guess that I haven't heard of - let alone read - the majority of Nobel literature prizewinners. I think the article gets it wrong however to suggest that BD wasn't a worthy winner in front of others. There are loads of worthy US authors - John Updike should have had it years ago. Bob Dylan, through his words, has changed the nature of popular music - and invented rock music. Look how many other lyricists and singers say that Bob showed that lyrics could be about more than girl meets boy.

The country having the most literature laureates? The USA. France second. A US author (Paul Beatty - lives in NYC) has just won the largest literature comp in the UK - the Man Booker Award.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 15:36:41 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ohhhh. I forgot to say that I also like Simon, Garfunkel and Taylor's cover is because of the added verse and Paul's falsetto.

Don't know much about the Middle Ages
Looked at the pictures then I turned the pages
Don't know nothin' 'bout no "Rise and fall"
Don't know nothin' 'bout nothin' at all
(But I do know)
Girl it's you that I've been thinkin' of
And if I could only win your love (oh girl)
What a wonderful, (what a) wonderful world this would be
What a wonderful, wonderful world this would be

What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful world
What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful world

.....speaking of Kitchener.......Hello to Serenity!!!!

I also like Bryan Ferry's cover with steel drums (or pans) which gave the song a caribbean rhythm and the added clapping at the end to (What A) Wonderful World.

For Dunc and Bob FFFFFFFF......My brother had their 8 track. I eventually bought the VHS of this concert.....quite dark as flower power was no longer. When I saw Leonard Cohen walking about I thought it was Dylan....lol......Huuuge disappointment here was that Dylan and The Band were not shown performing. I remember at the time I didn't even know that Dylan was performing with The Band! I was more into Dylan at that time.........not because The Band weren't amazing musicians but because they just weren't on my radar the way Dylan was.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 14:54:57 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Couples Jammin'...Carly Simon and James Taylor

For Petrer V...A cover that has a laid back groove. It's hard to cover Sam Cooke but I like this one by Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel and James Taylor.

Catching up on more previous posts and McBride from Lighthouse was mentioned. One of my co-workers was his daughter. Since he passed in 1998 she would have been quite young unfortunately.

"Their next album, Suite Feeling, was also recorded in 1969 at Toronto Eastern Sound Studio. It featured two cover songs: The Band's "Chest Fever" and The Beatles' hit "A Day In The Life".


Entered at Thu Oct 27 14:37:50 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Normal American Kids

Beautiful truthful track from the new Wilco cd. I think many of us felt this way growing up.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 14:12:08 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Dunc, really enjoyed your list. If I could I would add Itchycoo Park, Go Now and Kids Are All Right to the playlist. I never got to see Free but I saw Paul Rodgers with Bad Company on their first American tour. Amazing. I also got to see Steve Earle and Del McCoury Band in NYC when they toured together. By the time I saw them I had the feeling they were a little sick of each other. Del would leave the stage for most of Earle's songs. Incredible players. The Mountain is a great song.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 13:29:13 CEST 2016 from (24.114.98.150)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Sorry. I knew you were limiting things to the golden age, '65-'68, but the Contours" magnificent classic sounds so present that I'd always assumed it was from then, as opposed to the antediluvian 1962.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 10:39:07 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Enjoyed the lists Peter and JT, but we're all using different criteria. I don't know Robert Parker on Peter's list, but there's about five singles on JT's that I don't know. I do play Don Covay now. Will check them out.

Roger, I've always had Liege and Lief, and nearly always had Unhalfbricking and What We Did On Our Holidays, but nothing else. I have a lot of Sandy Denny and the Scottish dimension means I'm watching different folk bands at that time - Tannahill Weavers, JSD Band, Albion Band and the brilliant Jock Tamson's Bairns. I don't know if I'll manage to see Simon Felice - may be a babysitting evening, and if I'm honest I tend to stay with older bands though Al's enthusiasm took me in to Roseann's music, which I really enjoy.

It's an interesting article, Jeff. Coincidentally I've played Another Side of Bob Dylan many times recently and last month read Iron In The Soul.

Thanks North West Coaster. I'm warning you - the great Autumn weather has ended today.

Your championing of The Move has not registered with me Bill M. Apologies.

Playing Steve Earle and the Del McCoury Band just now. The Mountain is a great song and I can understand why Levon recorded it.

I thought of your love of the theatre yesterday, Peter. I went to a Mucha exhibition. Surely among the greatest theatre posters ever produced.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 08:49:57 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, Do You Love Me is outside the time scale. By discotheque I meant our local disco, Le Kilt, which flourished in the soul era, and had closed by the disco era.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 05:57:27 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi haso....I first discovered FA via Joan Baez and then for the very first time I really liked my name. It was many years later that I'd buy Dylan's Bootleg Vol. 1-3 and discover A as well. Later I bought Dylan's book of lyrics and realized.....The song is really about Nam right? Anyway, I checked out the song and I liked the jazzy vibe.....Considering what the song is about....I don't know.....I'm not sure but I think I like Jeff Buckley's acoustic cover. Thanks for exposing me to music as ya never know.....It's really an energy exchange, right? You either feel it or you don't.

Hey Bill M...Thanks for thinking of me. My brother attended high school in the twin city and University in Waterlooooooou. It was here one of his buddies brought bands into town and that's how my brother got the gig of catering for Annie Lennox, Simple Minds, The Clash, Stevie Ray Vaughan. I never knew until years later!!!!!!!! I remember you saw Teenage Head in Kitchener? I saw them somewhere......Lead singer spitting on audience......I wasn't amused. I don't know of any musicians from there, but I remember hockey player Bill Barber....and from my hometown......skater.....Shoot! I can't remember.....last name Shaver! I think. My brother's friend's band Bill M? Yiiiiikes......going blank here. In high school we did have a band play for us but I can't remember that one either.......Now for the record store......Is it located on Waterlooo how my brother got the gig of catering for Annie Lennox, Simple Minds, The Clash, Stevie Ray Vaughan. I never knew until years later!!!!!!!! I remember you saw Teenage Head in Kitchener? I saw them somewhere......Lead singer spitting on audience......I wasn't amused. I don't know of any musicians from there, but I remember hockey player Bill Barber....and from my hometown......skater.....Shoot! I can't remember.....last name Shaver! I think. My brother's friend's band Bill M? Yiiiiikes......going blank here. In high school we did have a band play for us but I can't remember that one either.......Now for the record store......Is it located on Waterlooooou Street? There was one music store there and back in the day there was one other. That's right.....I grew up with one music store as the population was 36,000.......Thanks for Rolling Stone in the mail and an older brother......

Boogie Shoes...KC and The Sunshine Band

Disco doesn't suck......but mostly. However, being a music fan I can appreciate that every genre of music has some songs that will either make me dance, feeel, think, space out or meditate. So the more genres of music you're open to......The more you'll connect with others and yourself.
Since I'm mostly into singer-songwriters so disco wasn't going to be the vehicle here for my heart and soul and inquisitive mind.......but here's what I'd recommend if you wanna party. Cocktail parties bore me. Good food, company and some dance music is a must....especially for control freaks. lol

Gloria Gaynor...I Will Survive
I worked in a record store and another worker and I would sing along to this song right in the store. The manager and owner partied with us outside of the store so we got away with it. In the evenings I was taking a political philosophy course so it was all good.

Sylvester...You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real) Wow.....Great title!

Divine...Native Love (Step By Step) Remix

KC and The Sunshine Band...That's The Way I Like It

These songs all bring great memories of hangin' with my gay buddies as one was a housemate while in grad school. He'd take me to their clubs and we'd have sooooo much fun. Sometimes girls just wanna have fun......without expectations.

More current song would be Pink's...Let's Get This Party Started....not disco but a great song to start your party!


Entered at Thu Oct 27 02:45:54 CEST 2016 from (173.3.49.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The Meaning of Bob's Silence


Entered at Thu Oct 27 02:01:08 CEST 2016 from (24.114.98.150)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Even if 9 of your 10 would not be on mine, it's still great, with one exception - "Pretty Flamingo". To my ears the only positive aspect is Jack Bruce's discernable voice on the harmonies, especially towards the end. And intellectually it's hopeless: I can't imagine any guy making yards by likening his intended to a gangly, big-beaked orange-pink bird.

PS: The disco list misses "Do You Love Me" by the Contours.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 22:20:16 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brahms & Liszts

OK, I set myself rules. 1965-1968. Ten unbeatable:

1) Waterloo Sunset – The Kinks

2) A Whiter Shade of Pale- Procul Harum

3) Like A Rolling Stone – Bob Dylan

4) Pretty Flamingo – Manfred Mann

5) Keep On Running – Spencer Davis Group

6) Out of Time – Chris Farlowe

7) White Rabbit – Jefferson Airplane

8) Satisfaction – The Rolling Stones 9) Hey Jude – The Beatles

10) The Weight- The Band

MEANWHILE, over at the discotheque …

1) Ain’t Too Proud To Beg – The Temptations

2) Rescue Me – Fontella Bass

3) Mercy Mercy- Don Covay

4) Respect – Otis Redding

5) Let’s Go Baby (Where The Action Is) – Robert Parker

6) You Must Believe Me – The Impressions

7) Reach Out I’ll Be There – The Four Tops

8) I Heard It Through The Grapevine – Marvin Gaye

9) Let’s Hang On – The Four Seasons

10) You Don’t Know Like I Know – Sam & Dave.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 19:34:18 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Jack O' Cuckoos

Of course The Cuckoo and Jack O'Diamonds are the same song - thanks JT and Sadavid. I knew that but didn't connect the two. It vindicates my 68 yr old memory chip.

The Move of course are from Brum. Bev Bevan and Trevor Burton still gig occasionally for fun around here.

Dunc - Ashley Hutchings rewrote the sleeve notes for a re-release of Fairport's first four albums a few years past. He told the story of doing this the other night. I don't think I've read any of his notes - I guess he was referring to Fairport Convention, What We Did On Our Holidays, Unhalfbricking and Liege and Lief.

We're off to a Simone Felice gig tomorrow night. Can you get to one of the Scottish ones Dunc? Definitely worth a big effort.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:44:34 CEST 2016 from (24.114.48.109)

Posted by:

Bill M

NwC: If Bob's as adept as I think he is at using the time machine (which is password protected for obvious reasons), I'm sure he's capable of tweeting on his own. See him as an inspiration for all old people.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:31:08 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorhWestCoaster

Location: Scaia Northwest

Subject: "Written by B. Dylan" (posted by Peter V)

For the first: thanks for the banjo link. I'll spend next weekend for learning to play it!

"Written by Bob Dylan" ... hmmm. Swedish (mostly female) so called journalists are making big deal of a few words in so called Bob Dylan's so called Facebook account and so called Twitter acount: "The Nobel Prize Winner 2016". "Look" theys say "Bob Dylan has accepted The Prize!" They are treating the readers like children. Obviously Mr. Dylan does not maintain these accounts by himself. I doubt he knows the username or the password.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 16:39:23 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The 'other' list -

Why 'other'. I don't know.

1. Surfin' USA - Beachboys

2. Shop Around - Miracles

3. Forever Young- Bob Dylan

4. I Want To Know What Love Is- Foreigner

5. Fortunate Son - CCR

6. Billy Jean - Michael Jackson

7. Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding

8.All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrx and Bob Dylan

9. Crosstown Traffic - Jimi Hendrix

10. Sisters of Mercy - Leonard Cohen



Entered at Wed Oct 26 16:37:29 CEST 2016 from (24.114.48.109)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I've been mentioning the Move since I came here last millenium. Mostly because their "Shazam" is one of my favourite LPs of all time. Especially side two where they shape shift from Led Zep to the Byrds. But "Flowers In The Rain" is also as special as you suggest.

Peter V: Don't be so quick to judge. Two obvious alternatives to Clarence time-tripping are 1) Bob time-tripping in the opposite direction, or both time-tipping and meeting at some as-yet-undefined mid-point.

BEG: I'm in Waterloo (Ontario, though Belgium has one too) so read the local paper. It's big news that a guy has opened a big new vinyl record store in downtown Galt. His name is Storch, a surname I'd heard only attached to Larry of "F Troop" before today. "Rally, men, rally!)


Entered at Wed Oct 26 16:29:45 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: North America - a list (incomplete)

1. Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan

2. Seven and Seven Is - Love

3. Dirty Water- Standells

4. Oh Carol - Chuck Berry

5. Positively Fourth Street - Bob Dylan

6. California Sun - Rivieras

7. Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane

8. Good Vibrations - Beachboys

9. The Weight- The Band

10.Rockin' In The Free World-Neil Young

11. Tears of Rage - Bob Dylan and The Band

12. I Shall Be Released - Bob Dylan and The Band

13. This Wheels on Fire- Bob Dylan and The Band

14. Hazy Shade of Winter - Simon and Garfunkel

15. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan and Johnny Winter

Feel free to add, criticize (I know you will), and otherwise edit.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 15:09:43 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Went to view Clarence Ashley doing Coo-Coo Bird. Right above it on YouTube was Clarence Ashley doing Little Sadie (LINKED). Clarence must have had a time machine and whizzed forward 40 odd years to 1970 to learn it, because my original Self Portrait states that both Little Sadie and In Search of Little Sadie were written by "B. Dylan."


Entered at Wed Oct 26 14:56:45 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Move

Nine of those are on my Best of the 60s playlist, Dunc. The exception is Need Your Love So Bad. I didn't like Fleetwood Mac before Buckingham-Nicks.

Joe Boyd says the Move were the best live band he'd seen, and tried to sign then to Elektra. They declined because they hadn't heard of the label. He said if they had signed they would have been bigger than The Doors. Flowers In The Rain was the first record played on BBC Radio One, played by Tony Blackburn.

Their live EP is "Somethin' Else from The Move." Recorded live at The Marquee 1968. It was reissued as a CD-EP, then in 1999 as a CD with bonus tracks. It's just been remastered and reissued in 2016 with even more bonus tracks.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 14:52:33 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: jack o' diamonds

"Jack O' Diamonds" and "The Cuckoo Bird" are more or less the same song.

See [My link] for the exemplar that showed up on Harry Smith's _Anthology of American Folk Music_.
Great banjo riff (reminds me of The James Gang's "Lost Woman").


Entered at Wed Oct 26 13:47:24 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Duncan's list

Thanks Dunc for the list. A lot of my favourites: Julie Driscol & co, Spencer Davies Group, Fleetwood Linux ... errrr... Mac, Procol Harum (you posted Procol _Harem_ - WASH YOU MOUTH!). UK pop and fashion from the sixties is nowadays underestimated. New York has taken over, and with no reason. I have never been in that overrated corrupt newliberal city and never will.

Look at TOPPERMOST. There is nothing about British blues or folk. I wonder if anybody even remembers who EDDIE BOYD was? Or MICK SOFTLEY with his wonderful song on taking an airplane to Montpellier? (Time for my afternoon nap, folks.)


Entered at Wed Oct 26 13:19:45 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: 10 Iconic British Singles

Listening to the sixties singles often in the last couple of weeks.

A music collection is not complete if it doesn't have.

A Whiter Shade of Pale - Procol Harem

Free - All Right Now - brilliant and Paul Rogers has lasted.

The Zombies - Time of the Season - I play a rerecorded version just now and Colin Blunstone and Rod Argent are brilliant on it.

The Searchers - When You Walk In The Room. Great song and great version. I didn't realise how much Jacky De Shannon had done until Peter's Toppermost post.

The Hollies - On A Carousel. I really like CSNY and I think you can see something a little different from the norm at the time in this recording, which I think is down to Graham Nash. Saw the Hollies and I was lucky to see CSNY at the Air Canada Centre.

Fairport Convention - Si Tu Dois Le Partir, their only appearance on Top of the Pops - loved this. See Roger's post. Dave Swarbrick was only a session player on this album and Sandy Denny went on to become Melody Maker's vocalist of the year for two years running.

Julie Driscoll, Brian Auger and Trinity - This Wheel's On Fire - Again Peter wrote about this lately being the best version of the song. I'll just add that Julie Driscoll was seen as hip and appeared in many photographs personifying the sixties. It was no surprise that Absolutely Fabulous used this song as its theme tune.

The Move - Flowers in the Rain. Have they ever featured in the GB before? Everybody liked this band.

Spencer Davis Group - Gimme Some Lovin - still I think one of Steve Winwood's great performances. (linked this song)

Fleetwood Mac - Need Your Love So Bad - love this version of Fleetwod Mac and Peter Green's playing, but I think the singles are the best tracks.

As you can see there is a Band and Dylan presence there, but at that time Bob Dylan was not important to me, I never knew about The Band, or had heard of Fairport Convention. Iconic singles. Discuss.

Coincidentally, Roger, I read Ashley Hutchings' notes on Unhalbricking yesterday. Thanks Roger, Peter, Jeff and Bill M.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 13:16:33 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Nobel Prize in literature ... just because ;-)

Albert Camus, Jean-Paul Sartre (who refused) - the Prize is not worth a dime anymore (well, eight millions Swedish crowns). - There was a nasty woman who studied in the same institute as I. Our professor had a taste for female beauty (nothing wrong with that) and especially her sado-masochistic approach (nothing ... errr...) and gave her the biggest prize in literature in Finland. She is anti-Soviet and anti-Putin and Jewish, ten points. (Sorry JT and Jeff A and Joan and others, I don't say this is GOOD or BAD. I say she has not the GOOD qualities you have!) Somewhere down the line someone prominent actor whispered in my ears: "Nobel Prize next..." - It will take years but her initials are SO.

You read this first time in Mr. Hoiberghs gb.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 12:46:19 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: ‘Have you thanked the Academy for their lovely award, Bobby?’

On a serious side.

Peter V, Mr. Dylan must have good reasons for his "unpolite and arrogant" behavior. Living in Sweden and being a conspiratorial alcoholic I have followed Nobel Panel closely for fifteen years or more . It smells bad. By using Mr. Dylan's wonderful words from the middle sixties: ... a hole in teenager's sock... The Prize is an economical and political act. How come they "gave" (yes, they always "give" and the people above them are supposed to yell: " OOOHHH WONDERFUL!!!) it to Mr. Dylan? Why now? That is the question!

On a happier side: there is a name mentioned in disgussions here: LEIF PAGROTSKY. Who is he? Think about it. I have mentioned his name in gb at least twice. He is a former Minister Of Foreign Trade (soc.dem.) and a Dylan fan. While being in Stockholm and receiving his Polar Music Prize from the hand of His Majesty The King Of Sweden Mr. Dylan gave also flowers to Mr. Pagrotsky on his birhtday. Mr. Pagrotsky could be the one who can communicate with Mr. Dylan on this inflammated subject. After all he has said that his favourite Dylan album is 'Self Portrait' - something that His Bobness hardly can resist.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 05:19:13 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Madhouse On Castle Street songs (Dylan)

Roger: I'm clearly not Ian and he likely knows much more about "Madhouse On Castle Street" and what songs were sung.

However, from Olof's Files, a fairly reliable source, the following songs are listed for this show. 1. Blowin' In The Wind 2. Ballad Of The Gliding Swan 3. Hang Me, Oh Hang Me 4. Cuckoo Bird 5. Unidentified Instrumental


Entered at Wed Oct 26 05:10:14 CEST 2016 from (73.114.33.51)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: BEG-Angelina

Barely catching up from last week. BEG: try out a version of "Farewell, Angelina", I'm guessing you find it somewhere on the web; by a bluegrassy/jazzy 4-some from western Massachusetts called Rani Arbo & daisy mayhem. It's off a cd entitled Big Old Life. The cut "Red Haired Boy" is also a nice one. They sing 4 part harmonies and Rani's husband fits his entire drum kit into a quite small, old-school hardboard suitcase. I don't know if they are still around; saw them at Newport in about 2009, maybe '07 but not '08 because Levon was there then & I wasn't.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 02:42:24 CEST 2016 from (24.114.48.109)

Posted by:

Bill M

GregD: thanks for the link to the Vee / Carnival / Robbie Lane post. Unfortunately my phone won't display it in total so i'll have to get back to you.

Dunc: Glad you like Charlebois, who played at the Toronto Pop Festival in 1969, as did the Band (separated by just Steppenwolf), and on the Festival Express. And, as I've said before, both Charlebois and Richard Manuel sang on Canada's live-aid record.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 21:49:53 CEST 2016 from (68.71.44.83)

Posted by:

Rebecca

Hello, I am looking to license the wonderful photographs by Serge Daniloff of the Hawks for a documentary film. Does anyone know how to contact the Serge Daniloff archives? You can email me at rebecca {@} rezolutionpictures {.} com Thank you, Rebecca


Entered at Tue Oct 25 19:57:08 CEST 2016 from (86.31.229.95)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Madhouse on Castle Street - a question for Ian

We attended a great gig the other night. Ashley Hutchings - the guv'nor and originator of contemporary folk music from the Fairports to the Albion Band, via Steeleye Span, has been touring a retrospective journey through his amazing musical career. With a small band he told stories, read poems and sang songs which illustrated his musical past. He talked about Jimi Hendrix getting up on the stage at The Speakeasy in 1967 to jam with Fairport Convention (on Like A Rollin' Stone) and he talked about his part in promoting and supporting Nick Drake. There'd have been about 25 people in the room!

It spurred me to check out my old Fairport albums and I'd forgotten that 'Jack O'Diamonds' appeared on the very first album. My question for Ian is this:

I saw Madhouse on Castle Street as a 14 year old in Bournemouth in 1963. I didn't know Bob Dylan then but I was mesmerised by him. I recall him singing Jack O'Diamonds over what passed for credits in those days. Am I mistaken? I can find no other reference to this.

Fairport Convention have been compared to The Band - for their use of traditional song in contemporary context. We discussed earlier this year the influence of The Brown Album on the making of the seminal Liege and Lief - Airport Convention's crowning glory of an album. Any biography of Fairports acknowledges the impact that Music From Big Pink and The Band had on them and they had early access to The Basement Tapes which they mined to good effect.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 17:12:07 CEST 2016 from (99.231.74.112)

Posted by:

GregD

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Vee

Very sad to see the passing of Bobby Vee. Certainly an influence on many including fellow Minnesotan Dylan.

Bill M, John D, JT, Kevin J and others may note the Ontario connection mentioned at the above linked article, via Robbie Lane and the Disciples that Bill M has mentioned here many times in connection to the Hawk, RR etc.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 14:56:25 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Adam Cohen's Ophelia.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 14:49:05 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Kevin J....

Ring the bells that still can ring

Forget your perfect offering

There is a crack in everything

That’s how the light gets in.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 11:23:32 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Today's Daily Mail has Craig Brown on Dylan's lack of reply to the Nobel Prize Committee … the whole article is on line. Yes, I know, but Mrs V buys it on Tuesday for the Health pages.

Anyway, is this true? He does write a humorous column with send-ups.

CRAIG BROWN:

An obscure memoir by Walter Yetnikoff, the then head of CBS Records, carries this description of Dylan and his mother, Beatty Zimmerman, over dinner in a restaurant after his concert at Madison Square Garden in the Eighties:

‘Sitting next to Bob and his mother, I was astonished by their dialogue.

‘You’re not eating, Bobby,’ said Mom as his girlfriend Carol was cutting up his food as though he were an infant.

‘Please, Ma. You’re embarrassing me.’

‘I saw you ate nothing for lunch. You’re skin and bones.’

‘I’m eating, Ma, I’m eating.’

‘And have you thanked Mr Yetnikoff for this lovely dinner?’

‘Thank you, Walter.’

‘You’re mumbling, Bobby. I don’t think Mr Yetnikoff heard you.’

And so on and so forth. Sadly, Mrs Zimmerman died in 2000. If she were alive today, I suspect those phone calls from the Swedish Academy would not have gone unanswered.

‘Have you thanked the Academy for their lovely award, Bobby?’


Entered at Tue Oct 25 10:57:47 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Kevin's Desert Island Discs

I played Kevin's desert island discs yesterday. Hi Kevin. (I was wearing Clarks' tan shoes) I had only heard of two artists before and Joe Ely's BBQ and Foam is not available.

I really liked the French singers, Claude Dubois, Marjo and Robert Charlebois, because they were obviously very different to anything I've got (though I do have every track composed by Django Reinhardt) but most of the meaning is lost in translation and I'll be missing Charlebois's play on words.

But I really liked this linked version of Lindberg by Robert Charlebois and Louis Forrestier. Her performance is great.

They take me back to French city holidays when a singer, often female, would entertain at a cafe in the open air and we would drink the wine and listen to French songs, paying about a tenner for the performance.

Back to the sixties. The Free Story is playing now.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 10:38:10 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Red Bird

One of the puzzles I've had for years is a chance remark somewhere that The Hawks backed The Shangri-Las on some or even "a" Red Bird session. It was heightened by The Shangri-Las covering You Cheated You Lied and (erroneously) crediting it to "Levon Helm" which dates from the Ronnie Hawkins version, with songwriting credits applied by Morris Levy. I became convinced that it was confusion with the John Hammond session. But who knows?


Entered at Tue Oct 25 06:31:38 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

T. I. N. G. O.
& Tingo was his name-o.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 04:52:01 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bobby Vee

Bobby Vee had a good run. His voice was easily recognized. His songs were catchy. He must have meant a lot to Bob, I thought, when Suzy Baby was 'called out' in a most positive way and they took a picture together. BV was beaming.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 01:57:27 CEST 2016 from (24.114.59.18)

Posted by:

Bill M

I see that Joan Marie Johnson, a founding member of the Dixie Cups, died recently. They we're signed to the Red Bird label by Leiber and Stoller, who around the same time recorded Robbie and Rick backing John Hammond Jr.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 01:08:41 CEST 2016 from (24.114.59.18)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: As trade deals go, CETA seems pretty good but I agree that ISDS is the devil's spawn. The best way for all would be to give Walloonia what it wants on that front.

Kevin J: Mandatory military service is unacceptable under almost any circumstances. Calls for the approach generally come from those immunised by advanced age. Maybe Ontario should reinstate grade 13 - but with a focus on gardening, litter removal an visiting seniors and shut-ins.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 00:51:45 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I found Bob Dylan's tribute to Bobby Vee a few years back - from stage- very touching. The warmest embrace I ever recall Bob delivering. And for someone like me who had previously only had the faintest of knowledge about Mr. Vee, name recognition only, it was also nice in terms of learning something.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 00:41:21 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Nobody did teen angst songs better than Bobby Vee. Very sad.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 23:31:39 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Vee

RIP. Very sorry indeed. I appreciated his work greatly. Bob Dylan's first boss too. Link to "More Than I Can Say"


Entered at Mon Oct 24 23:27:06 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bobby Vee

Bobby Vee has died at the age of 73.

R.I.P.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 22:54:08 CEST 2016 from (112.215.170.236)

Posted by:

pulsa elektrik

Location: usa
Web: My link

Subject: hello nice to know all people

I’m honestly finding all these articles and responses more and more intriguing. I’m grateful to be part of the community, in a way I suppose, but there’s always two sides to money making. Sometimes there’s thousands of sides to it. My assessment so far has been countless hours, stress, research, anxiety, fear and more often than not painstaking effort with no promise of reward. Like twitter, I’ve followed a great deal of Youtube names that have made it big, and some that have not at all, there’s no guarantee, no easy quick access to large sums of money. All that said though, I always did wonder how and why these “random facts” trends started, looks like this guy was an early pioneer, and was Lucky enough to make it big whilst doing so.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 21:53:41 CEST 2016 from (184.146.88.51)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Just as I've always felt it would be a great thing if all Canadians at age 16, 17 or 18 would be required to spend one full year in military service or a national service of some kind, I also believe some sort of mandated program for all citizens to canvass/survey neighbourhoods across the country for at least a one week period at some point during this same age period would be hugely beneficial.

Why? Most people, I am sure, would be surprised, pleasantly so, at just how informed the average Joe is. I did my time in this exercise over 30 years ago as I was roped into working on a political campaign in Kingston......the whole thing largely soured me on politicians but the lasting bit of knowledge I gained was going door to door and just being stunned at how well informed people were. Granted this was pre-celebrity culture and shorter attention spans of a new generation but it really did make an impression on me.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 20:58:49 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

There are blankets, duvets, throws and comforters. It's all good if Bruce covers me.

Congrats again to Pat's Cubbies. Now go get Cleveland tomorrow.....please!!!


Entered at Mon Oct 24 20:05:16 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Sadavid.......I would disagree with your take. The average Canadian has a very deep and sophisticated knowledge of trade. Dating back to the late 1980's when we had a single issue national election on the Canada-US Free-Trade Agreement, the subject of how free trade deals work and impact communities and the country at large has been very prominent in the lives of most Canadians.......Our national news shows feature international trade talk and analysis daily and even at the provincial levels, the talk of inter provincial trade is dominant in just about all political discussions. Even the Tim Horton's crowd - most in unions and associated with various trade dependent industries like the auto industry - understand quite well just how important trade deals are to their livelihoods......and they do have strong and educated opinions most of the time.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:50:56 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: tail wags dog

Peter V: you asked about reaction to the Walloons scuppering Canada-Europe free trade.

First, 99% of folks don't know enough about it to have a useful opinion, and the other 1% are probably ill-informed. The majority of media column inches have been given over to explaining what the hell Wallonia is. (I heard one commentator refer to its inhabitants as "Walldoons.").

Something like a third of our GDP comes from exports, and over half of that is resources (food, wood, bitumen, potash etc.). Our population is too thin to constitute a useful internal market, and our heads are too thick to add value by innovation.

Despite all this, I'm personally suspicious of "free trade," especially the 'investor state dispute settlement' (ISDS) provisions that have accompanied trade agreements from NAFTA on. These are deeply evil bits of fine print that allow taxpayers to give away chunks of sovereignty and pay for the privilege. Big picture, I see the Walldoonian veto as another instance of the pendulum-swing -- away from trusting experts, big government, big business to do right by us, and toward protecting our patch. The folk feel that the bigs have taken our jobs and left us a poisoned planet, so when they say, "this'll be good for you," we call bullshit.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:43:33 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Peter, that's hysterical, I'm guessing you've authored few thousand erotic novels under a pseudonym. Jerry, it's time the three of us contact Dylan's people. Or, it might be too late. By now they might have followed the lead, especially Peter's, filed a mark registration, & begun plucking .


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:20:21 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: Bizness

Jeff A: Not a bad suggestion. A nobel idea. Brooklyn?


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:04:25 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cover Down...

Bill M, Peter V: Cover Down, Break Through. (even if you don't like that period). Like it or not, you gotta serve somebody. (as long as its not the devil).

Cover Down.... maybe that was what 'Baby Let Me Follow..." Nah. Though a supreme being is mentioned.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 15:07:21 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Watch: Donald Trump VS Hillary Clinton [Third Presidential Debate] On NBC “SNL” (10/22/2016)


Entered at Mon Oct 24 14:30:21 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Watch Cher, James Corden Sing About Tinder on 'I Got You Bae'

'Late Late Show' host dresses as Cher for goofy "I Got You Babe" parody


Entered at Mon Oct 24 14:18:43 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed giirl

Web: My link

See 'Weird Al' Yankovic's Hilarious Debate Parody 'Bad Hombres, Nasty Women'

"To stop a Cold War, what should we be doin'?/ Would you go thumb-wrestle Vladimir Putin?" he sings mocking third presidential debate


Entered at Mon Oct 24 14:07:22 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Didn’t you know about Dylan’s Duvets, Jeff? Branches in BC and Ontario. The “Shelter From The Storm” is the 14 tog model of duvet. Too warm for most climates, as is the even thicker “Quinn The Eskimo.”. The “Desolation Row” is the ultra-thin Mohair summer blanket, in tasteful camouflage colours.

All the doubles are part of the “I’ll Be Your Baby Tonight” range. The pale pink duvets are labelled “Lay Lady Lay.” I like the way the stores display them on a big brass bed. The matching baby-blue “Tangled Up In Blue” is a summer weight duvet. Then there’s the “erotic” range starting with “Baby Let Me Follow You Down.” I assume it’s so called because it’s goose down.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 13:43:58 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry - Are you & Bob opening a bedding outfit? "Dylan Duvets" was the title of one of your posts. Illustrate titles or scenes from Dylan songs & you got a bestseller. Idiot Wind, Highway 61, Shelter From The Storm, so many titles or scenes paint themselves, so many ways.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 13:27:57 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

It's a peculiar world Dunc. Brooklyn is topsy turvy. Some young restaurant hosts are being touted as celebrities, their position is "Social Advocate." No fucking joke. They're probably making ten to fifteen bucks an hour and their parents are paying 1500 to 2000 bucks for them to have a bedroom in an apartment with two other people, or they're maybe living with family.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 13:11:54 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dunc. The answer for a young man is buying Norm's business.
Or, doing anything for a living but music.

The answer for a young person who must do music is wedding a wealthy spouse with a great income. If you have to make a living & you're a serious musician who actually has talent, don't even dream about music. I try listening to the schlock being made all over NYC & i get very depressed. Even more depressing is dealing with the realities of the industry for real music. When songwriters with a pile of hits are touting that they got a song in a FedEx commercial, it's time to be happy for a job at the NYC Department of Sanitation.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 11:05:27 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Great quote from Leonard on Bob, Peter.

Good luck Rockin' Chair. But remember everybody needs a retirement to sit in the rocking chair, but with headphones on rather than the pipe...and for the babysitting. Four Strong Winds is a great song. One of my favourite Neil Young albums is 'Comes A Time', which still gets regular plays.

A lot of interesting posts, Jeff. Is the answer touring? You have to have a decent manager to get you gigs. And there is the cost of touring. How can you bring a band from America and make a profit. Also how do you build an audience. My oldest grandson is into music, but it's the genre of music that Kashmir Kat plays.

JT, I envy you greatly, having seen the Before the Flood tour. I love the driven feel of this album. Almost aggressive. 'It's Alright , Ma (I'm Only Bleedin') is another highlight followed by the brilliant, looser, pounding 'The Shape I'm In'. The Band working so hard for their audience. Wish I had been there. Everytime I play 'The Weight' it still feels fresh.

For me anyway, Robbie's best matches Bob or Paul's best.

Thanks Bill M. Really liked that area of Toronto. It was busy when I was there and I liked the feel. Was there an exhibition? Can't remember. As a supporter of the visual arts, can you imagine that area without the Henry Moore? And one of my favourite songs.

Taking a day off from Dylan today and it's sixties British music again.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 10:19:43 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A full day of "You Want It Darker" yesterday. I bought David Crosby's "Lighthouse" with it, but still haven't got round to it, as Leonard is so entrancing. As well as the review I quoted yesterday, The Sunday Times has a 3 page article on the LA press launch.

Leonard on Dylan's Nobel prize: "It's like pinning a medal on Mount Everest for being the highest mountain." As the article said, read that again. Then again. And again!


Entered at Mon Oct 24 06:15:46 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Keepin On

Thank you Bill, your a good friend. Well, I'm going to be gone a while guys.

Not sure how many of you have seen, we had a big American tug sink up our coast near Bella Bella. This has been a gawd damn disaster. It couldn't happen in a worse place. The Bella Bella native band are up in arms.

At Shearwater the small village close to Bella Bella, the company there, "Shearwater Marine" has a big self propelled barge that brings all their freight and supplies from their depot here in Port Hardy.

That barge was there when this spill occurred. There is a company in Vancouver called "Burrard Clean" that is responsible for the control and clean up of oil spills.

This company employs whoever is near and available to assist in the cleanup. When you are employed to do this, you are not allowed to leave until they say so. There fore the barge, "Central Coaster" is stuck with assisting in this work. All the freight for these communities is now stuck in Port Hardy. As I am the nearest, along with all my own work, I now have to do this freight run to help these people out. They need their groceries and all their other goods.

I have so much work to do now...I don't know when I'll get home again....but you gotta do, what you gotta do when people need help.....I'm gettin' too old for this shit!


Entered at Mon Oct 24 05:11:10 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Carolyn Hester on Dylan winning the Nobel.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 03:50:04 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Rockin C: You're a standup guy too. Still, I feel I must point out that the word you were looking for is 'proctologist' - though isn't JT a heart mechanic?

Dunc: The link's for you - re "Down By The Henry Moore".


Entered at Mon Oct 24 01:06:57 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: In Review

I forgot to say to that crazy old Scandahoovian up there in Sweden. I'm glad you enjoyed John Fogerty. He has always been a standup guy. True to family and the music. It is always great to see the respect he is shown by his peers. The amount of stars who like to play his music with him and enjoy it like we all do.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 21:39:38 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Covers

Speaking of covers Jerry, I just rediscovered a great John Lennon cover of I'm A Loser by Tufano and Giammarse. 1973. Jackson Browne doing Oh My Love. Ben Harper, Beautiful Boy and Jack Johnson doing Imagine. Michael Occhipinti doing Across The Universe. All coming up on my Tribute to John December 3 show.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 21:33:41 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.122)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Maggie's Farm. Unique, great arrangement, cover.

Linked is a live rendition of Maggie's Farm. Jimmy Vivino & The Black Italians. It's Felix Cabrera's arrangement, but Jimmy added in the stops. They've been playing it since the early 90s, and recorded it on Felix's recording Cu - Bop Blues. On this rendition, Jimmy takes vocals two verses, Felix two, and Catherine Russel one. There were other versions on you tube too, they seem to have disappeared. there was live footage from their Conan show appearance that disappeared as well. This version sounds kind of funky today for some reason.Used to sound damn good for you tube,


Entered at Sun Oct 23 18:04:34 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dylan Duvets

I love Dylan covers. I am a big fan of Ricky Nelson and Jason and the Scorchers and The Band covers and so many others. From Manfred Mann to McGuiness, Flint to Yo La Tengo to the continuing flow of covers, I really enjoy interpretations of his songs. In 3 weeks, we will likely go and hear/see David Vest do an evening (Nov. 19) of Dylan covers at Hermann's in Victoria. Really looking forward to that.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 17:43:17 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Trying hard

What can I say Norm except I do my best. Thanks.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 17:17:17 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The straight goods

As well as being a fine doctor, your a great sports analist!


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:54:09 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Damn correction: "Haps???"

Habs. Corrected me again. What is 'Haps" anyway?


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:53:13 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Les Canadiens

And Kevin: What can you say about Les Canadiens. The Haps look absolutely great and it looks like they've got the goods!


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:52:13 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Endgame in hockey

As for hockey: Canucks start well. (I am surprised but pleased) Leafs not so much. Leafs don't know how to finish. They are playing a better game than they have for many years, but they don't have an 'endgame'. They slacken up with the lead (3 times already) and don't have an approach to finish the last 15-20 minutes. The defence is not good enough to protect a lead. Its clear that they have to play 1) 3 offensive periods but 2) with a forward or two on the line ready to fervently back check when needed. The opposition is pouncing on opportunities. I don't blame the goalie. Any goalie is going to have a problem when the defence is immature and the forwards don't aggressively back check. No lead is safe until they learn this and practice it.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:37:55 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Blue Blue Jays

Norm: Pitching was good on both sides. A little better for Cleveland. Cleveland could manufacture runs with little contributions and Jays could not. We left men on base often. When the opportunity arose, we either went for the big hit or failed to bunt or 'shorten up', leaving men stranded too often. The games were close. Jays came up short because they did not do 'the little things' that needed doing. If your home run hitters are hot, none of this matters most of the time, but Jays bats went cold for the long ball. They didn't realize what needed to be done and by the time they did (maybe), it was too late. Station-to-station baseball usually wins the day and Cleveland was better at it. The end.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:21:15 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Jays????

Jerry! I went out to work for a few days, came back and the Jays are history! What happened?


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:04:20 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: "Here I am"

That a cantor could appear as an important part of a song is a testament to the roots of Leonard Cohen. 'Here I am' is about as naked as one can be. Abraham responded when called. Leonard Cohen knows where he came from. That's what its all about.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 15:10:52 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You Want It Darker - Leonard Cohen

Mark Edwards, Sunday Times "Culture" today:

"The only thing stopping me from claiming that this is his best album since 1984's "Various Positions" is the growing suspicion that it might be his best since his 1967 debut."


Entered at Sun Oct 23 14:17:20 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Politics for Sunday

What’s the feeling on the EU deal with Canada being rejected? 26.5 states agreed, but Belgian law requires the French and Flemish parts to vote separately, and the French part (Wallonia) rejected it. Years of work scrapped by half of one country out of 27.

It is incredibly frustrating to we fervent “Remain” campaigners that the EU seems to be feeding Brexit feelings with stuff like this. The Belgian tail, with the EU admin being there, has been wagging the EU dog for far too long. And then the presidency is with the dodgy tax haven of Luxembourg, a country that is the hair on the testicle of the EU dog that makes the whole animal jump.

It was compounded by the French demanding that Brexit negotiations be conducted in French, a ludicrous proposition as English is the most taught foreign language in every EU state except the UK and Ireland. As I say as a keen “Remainer” I think the EU is shooting us in the back … I know several remainers who are edging towards being “leavers.”


Entered at Sun Oct 23 10:34:10 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Covers albums

Bill, I don’t think Bob can get too fussy about melody borrowing. In that early radio show he’s very happy saying who he took this or that melody from, and equally cheerful about putting his name on the result. With God On Our Side is lifted from Dominic Behan’s The Patriot Game which is in turn lifted from The Merry Month of May.

At the time of the Basement Tapes acetate, Bob was positioning himself as a songwriter, rather than a singer-songwriter, very aware of the royalty stream from covers. In the years just before Garden Party, Rick Nelson was covering Dylan a lot, and selling records. Rick also covered “If You Gotta Go, Go Now.” (see Link) He did covers of She Belongs To Me, Love Minus Zero, Just Like A Woman, I Shall Be Released, Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here With You, and Garden Party includes “I said hello to Mary Lou, and She Belongs To Me.” I would think Bob had earned enough from Rick to be in a benign mood.

Which links to Norm’s quote from Ian Tyson on Neil Young’s cover of Four Strong Winds. This week’s power play here is “The Warner Brothers Recordings” by Allen Toussaint. So what was his biggest earner? The sleeve notes point to Whipped Cream. Allen recorded it as “The Stokes” and then Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass covered it. The single was a minor hit, but the LP was a major seller. That version became the theme to the TV show “The Dating Game.” It says that while the show was on the air, Allen’s quarterly royalty was “in the six figure range.” Those were the days, Jeff! When I saw him play in 2007 he mentioned that The Rolling Stone’s cover of Fortune Teller was a major financial pleasure. One big surprise was his comment that his biggest earner was “Jerry Garcia & The Grateful Dead”’ cover of Get Out My Life Woman … I’ve never heard that and didn’t even know they’d ever done it. He never mentioned Glen Campbell’s cover of Southern Nights, but that must have earned more than the other two – Fortune Teller wasn’t on The Rolling Stones Live EP in the UK, only on the US LP version,


Entered at Sun Oct 23 07:00:26 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

This afternoon I was listening to Fairport Convention's version of Dylan's "Si Tu Dois Partir" and realised that much of the tune was repurposed by Rick Nelson for his "Garden Party". Having read in "Chronicles" how much Bob admired Rick Nelson in his younger days, I'd be surprised if anybody got sued over it - not that Dylan seems a litigious sort.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 01:51:32 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Neil's "Four Strong Winds"

Peter, I'm pretty sure some where back in our childhood :-) I mentioned. In 1987 with my band I opened a club in Coquitlam BC, called Boone County. I think the second time we played the club, Ian Tyson was show cased for a one night stand.

We pulled all our gear off the stage, and Ian's guys set up. Some time during the night, Ian and I were leaning on the bar chatting. I told him, I had recorded his "Some Day Soon". He was very good about it and wished me luck.

He then was talking about all the recordings of his songs, and he said. "Well when Neil Young recorded Four Strong Winds, I made enough to buy my ranch in Alberta." We laughed and then he said, "I got to get Neil to record another one, I got to buy some cattle." :-)

It was a fun time in my days in those clubs. I had some great times with guys like Ian.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 00:21:52 CEST 2016 from (24.114.55.233)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: That was Lightfoot's first album for WB and, I believe, his first album after splitting from the Grossman stable, so bringing in all those heavy LA hitters seems like a political move by the label. This is not a complaint or a criticism, because WB put Gord over the top. Great album, and the initial single was the first time many of us heard "Me And Bobby McGee". Took me awhile to get used to Janis's version in fact.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 23:20:14 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

When I picked up "If You Could Read My Mind" what impressed me was the collaborators on various tracks … string arrangements by Randy Newman, guitar and mandolin by Ry Cooder, harmonium by Van Dyke Parkes, Strings by Nick De Caro, autoharp by John Sebastian.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 20:08:45 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Peter V

Meant to mention that while I don't know the album - I do love "Old Dan's Records" the song.....I really like the idea of friends gathering to remember a friend that has died by listening to his or her records. I've done it and it's always a beautiful experience.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 19:52:23 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Sit Down Young Stranger

Great song and title track from the album later renamed "If You Could Read My Mind" after the success of the single............Wonder if "Music From Big Pink" would have sold better had it been renamed "Take a Load off Fanny"


Entered at Sat Oct 22 19:18:17 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania

Subject: Thanks Rocking Cher

Was there an idiot here who said that Rockin Chair is "Trump of gb". I say: "Trump is a poor man's Rockin Chair." Period.

Thanks tug man for the Fogerty link. It made tears fall right in to my boots.- In 1971 our schoolboy band cathered in a cafe early in the mornings and played this song in the juke box.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 19:10:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Four Strong Winds

I hadn't heard Blue Rodeo on that song, Norm. Good choice. I always liked what Neil Young's quirky voice does to it on the "Heart of Gold" DVD (linked) and also that massive line-up of strummers.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 18:46:52 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Saw a charity shop with decent LPs today. Most pleased to find The Humblebums "First Collection of Merry Melodies" … Billy Connoly BEFORE he was a comedian and in a folk duo with Tam Harvey. I saw them a couple of times in the late 60s. Gerry Rafferty later joined him.

I also picked up Gordon Lightfoot's "If You Could Read My Mind" and "Old Dan's Records" so I can correct my ignorance of anything past the hits. Both very clean., though you never know till you play them.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 17:59:51 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Blue Rodeo - Four Strong Winds

I just spent the morning listening to at least 50 cover versions of the song. I think I like this one best.

There is also a lady I've never heard before "Jessica Rhaye" who does a very fine job.

Ian has the distinction of being one of the most ever recorded writers.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 12:44:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks Rod. Enjoyed that. You, Nux and Rob the Organ should get going on a "Bans site compilation"!


Entered at Sat Oct 22 12:29:07 CEST 2016 from (210.86.98.249)

Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

My TLW tribute ........not a cover or a song about The Band but hopefully you'll recognize a few things.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 10:23:50 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Follow Jeff's link. La Roux adds:

Spotify, thanks for the £100 for this quarter just gone, one more month and I might be able to afford your premium service,” La Roux tweeted. “Lucky me!”

It is incredible.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 07:38:11 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: 178 million streams- 5600 bucks in songwriting royalties


Entered at Sat Oct 22 06:55:39 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

London native, now long time resident of NYC, Steve Holley. I've seen play him in some real small rooms with great bands.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 06:45:22 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: This GB....the epicenter of all the world's talking point?

I've noticed that a lot of times things get talked about here and then out in the real world or in other parts of the internet....badda bing badda boom...that topic arises.

Case in point: Out for a walk today saw several business young dudes with the blue slacks and brown shoes.

But more importantly this interview (linked) with Leonard Cohen.

Also the Writers and Company from CBC podcast has someone talking about Bob Dylan.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 03:12:02 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Norm: I'll let it slide this time. : )


Entered at Fri Oct 21 23:52:47 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Long As I Can See The Light

John Fogerty......still the best with words after all this time.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 23:23:28 CEST 2016 from (184.146.90.70)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"The light is always there......always.....just hiding sometimes."

I love that ! Wisdom....Thank you, brown eyed girl.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:04:03 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon and The Hawks...Old Shoes Boot

Have a great weekend everyone!
I will be honouring Robbie's culture by joining a group on a cultural/native walk along the Humber River with a guide from a Native Centre. I will also be checking out our environmental film festival. I am having more fun these days. For awhile I could hear too much in my head.....Soundgarden's "Fell On Black Days"........Chris Cornell.....Ohh la, la...As Louuu taught me; the light is always there......always.....just hiding sometimes. :-D


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:39:13 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dylan on Quest TV videos.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:23:15 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dylan on Quest TV and other links

CBC TV Studios
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
1 February 1964
Produced by Daryl Duke.

"Dylan records a half-hour program as part of the CBC-TV series “Quest.” The half a dozen songs he sings-“Talkin’ World War III Blues,” “Hard Rain’s a-Gonna Fall,” “Girl from the North Country,” “The Times They Are a-Chang in’,” “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll,” and “Restless Farewell”-are all performed within the most incongruous of settings, a log cabin filled with working men pretending to pay attention." ~Clinton Heylin (Bob Dylan: A Life in Stolen Moments Day by Day 1941-1995)

At one time I had three book shelves of books on Dylan. Now I have one shelf as I love to downsize in general. Also, once Dylan put out "Mississippi" which I enjoyed but not the rest of his recording at the time; I lost interest. My favourite Dylan recordings were from the sixties and mid-seventies and of course "Slow Train Coming"......First time heard via of a Saskatoon radio station while visiting a friend. Btw, I forgot to say that it was Bob's singing that was just as great as his lyrics and Mark's guitar playing. He sings with such authority and passion......and......He knew he would alienate some of his fans due to "betrayal" of his religion at the time. Don't we have more in common? Anyway, Bob had the guts to explore what he needed to explore in order to keep on keeping' on. I have total respect and admiration here.

Obsession with shoes........Ahhhhh.....You brought memories of Rollie and I discussing trips we were on.......I told him about the two times.....not sure how many he experienced......We just came from seeing a Sam Shephard film and ventured out to a party. I told Rollie that it was that night......One of those trippy nights......I was literally looking at everyone's shoes at a party. I was totally obsessed......I couldn't stop looking at everyone's shoes and laughing my head off. I couldn't stop laughing at this party.....so funny. I guess everyone wanted to join me on that night. Even my friends that night couldn't stop me from laughing so hard all night long. Rollie and I laughed and laughed. This was back when we'd go on hotmail and put our headphones on and laugh and tease each other about our favourite Band member and talk about life. I had a lot of buddies from this site 'cause guys love to talk about music, sports and politics so I was like one of the boyzzzzz......lol

Farewell Angelina


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:21:05 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA

Subject: Shoes

Shoes. Yuck. Don't like them and wear them as little as possible. Flip flops in the summer, gardening clogs (Sloggers) - I have both black and brown - the rest of the year. Keep a slip-on leather pair of shoes under the desk for when I have to work in the shop. Do own a few pairs of dress, steel toes and sneakers (trainers), one of the latter designated for gardening. Mr. Bromberg sang...

I like to sleep late in the morning.
And I don't like to wear no shoes
Make love to the women while I'm livin'
Get drunk on a bottle of booze

My sentiments exactly.

Lost a dear friend this week, a real character, 99 years old, a lady who started running in her 60's and has run the NY Marathon and exhibition runs in China. (There is even a picture of her running on the Great Wall!) When I was out of work a few years ago I volunteered to be a part time caretaker. We were close, and this week tears are not in short supply. Mr. Taylor wrote...

Shower the people you love with love,
Show them the way you feel
Things are gonna be much better if you only will.

In her honor, I hope to embark on a new musical journey, singing in the Church choir which she once sang in. Chops are rusty, haven't sung choir since High School. May have to change my handle to bassomanlee.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 20:07:21 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Deluge of 1974

Re: Before The Flood: The show I saw with Dylan/Band at Maple Leaf Gardens on 10 1 1974 was one of the truly great concerts that I have every witnessed. It was as you describe it, Dunc. The sound in the arena was fair to good but the performance was outstanding.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:47:00 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Oops!!

Forgive me Fred! You have to remember I'm just an illiterate old sea dog. I'll file that away in my memory bank........what is left of it.....:-)


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:18:59 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thought

The thought went through my mind, but the trainers were wrong.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:09:09 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Light jacket, chinos, trainers? Distinguished looking guy? Shaven head? It could have been me, except I was in Poole today.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:00:40 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

A second listen of 'Before The Flood' this morning. Love the Band. Really enjoy the driving versions of 'All Along the Watchtower' and 'Highway 61'. And so do the crowd. Nobody post and tell me the applause was added on later. The Band are great - the best band that Bob played with. I agree with you on that, Bob F.

Then upto the art gallery area of Glasgow...and my wife asks why I am looking at everybody's shoes obsessively on the train. Am asked to leave train because of antisocial behaviour. Realise, Kevin I have missed my true vocation and America awaits - a rival to Al Bundy, who, incidentally, was mentioned on a British politics programme as typical of the people voting for Trump.

Three paintings of Dylan in a show by one of Scotland's leading artists. But what gives me greater pleasure is that there is a fellow visitor wearing a light jacket, chinos and Adidas running trainers. He's in his sixties and looks good. Some people always look good...feel a little envious. Was going to ask him how he felt wearing trainers, but my wife looks disapprovingly. But maybe the GB needs a fashion correspondent.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 18:40:29 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Let's Begin

Thanks Bob......I hadn't seen that before. Interesting to see Bob was actually doing the naked stand (no instrument in hand at mic) back then as well. To the point where I almost cringed when he reached back at the end to pick up the electric guitar.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:37:55 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Garrison's red shoes..

Norm: those red shoes are his "trademark". Geez get with the program will ya! ; )


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:36:24 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Dunc's Shoe Emporium

Kevin: as long as he implements a clad-iron rule banning the sale of brown shoes to people wearing dark blue or black suits, then things should be fine. : )


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:21:18 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Dylan & Dunc

Bob F: One of those rare cases where the CD launch of an album came to the rescue.......usually nonsense extras were added with all cd's of that era but not in all cases......I also love "Angelina" and along with "I'll Remember You" from Empire Burlesque".....amoung my favourite Dylan songs.......soared to even higher levels when remembered in linkage with the Jessica Lange's pleasuring scene in the great "Masked and Anonymous"

News Flash: Dunc just concluded listening to "Saved" in the dark four times in repetition....he's now decided to "un-retire", sell off everything he has and move to the America's to open a string of shoe store specializing in extra-wide non toxic shoes that last.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:08:14 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Let's Begin

In 1981 he was doing songs like Let's Begin with the great Clyde King. Check this out.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:05:18 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Shoes???

Garrison Keoiller of "Lake Wobegone Days", sings Lutherans. Take a look at his shoes.....with a suit?


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:00:11 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: What was he Thinking?

Kevin, it's hard to believe he left Groom and Angelina off of Shot of Love.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 15:51:34 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar - Shot of Love

....one of my favourite all time Dylan songs with some of my favourite lines.

"Try to be pure at heart, they arrest you for robbery/ Mistake your shyness for aloofness, your shyness for snobbery/ Got the message this morning, the one that was sent to me/ About the madness of becoming what one was never meant to be"

or my fav part......"What can I say about Claudette?/ Ain't seen her since January/ She could be respectfully married or running a whorehouse in Buenos Aires."


Entered at Fri Oct 21 15:01:43 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I love all of Slow Train Coming.......except one song. Any guesses? "Precious Angel" is also one of my all time Dylan favourites too Peter! Musically.....so tasteful due to Mark's guitar playing.......writing......some of his best ever. I also regret not showing up for Dylan's show in 1980 due to the content of this recording. I was blinded by my strong atheism at the time. Marx and Fuerbach were blowing my young mind......I was taking sociology and political science before child study at grad school. Dylan was lost at the time....spiritual crisis.....as Sara gave him the boot after his many betrayals and alleged hitting of her. How did I cope with Bob's constant references to the Lord? I just substituted man/female relationships. I also taught the kidzzzz "Man (changed to WE) Gave Names To All The Animals" from this recording. The other two gospel recordings of Bob's.......not good at all except for "What Can I Do For You" and maybe "Pressing On" from Saved and "Every Grain of Sand" from Shot of Love. Slow Train is a must if you dig tasteful guitar playing and lyrics that make you think....lyrics that truly come from a spiritual place that just poured out of Dylan the way lyrics poured out of Marley. Totally underrated and dismissed recording to the uninformed. ;-D


Entered at Fri Oct 21 13:50:22 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Well, I guess over a dozen or so years ago, maybe close to 20 years , Clarks opened their own retail stores here in many big malls. . And started making a gazillion styles. And not offering the extra wide widths.... Then, maybe 5 years or so ago, I started noticing low quality Clarks in the discount stores, even the boxes the shoes come in are lower quality than prior...... I incorrectly assumed there was a buyout.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 11:58:06 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ripped jeans: try stopping and saying in a very concerned and caring tone, "I've just noticed. You've torn your jeans, dear." Or if they're a fashionista (Manchester City pays £375 for its players uniform grey jeans), stop and say, "I always like to help the homeless. I'm sorry, I only have 10p, press it in their hand and walk on.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 10:57:50 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Clarks … I still end up in shoe shops buying shoes for my grandkids. In the UK, Clarks are a retailer. They have their own chain of shops selling their own stuff, and always specialised in measuring tiny feet and paying attention to that sector. With kids, it's Clarks or Start-Rite. Both guaranteed quality. While in there, I have picked up a couple of pairs for myself for "non-trainer" events … both brown in fact, but not "polished brown." I would say they have held the same quality niche for my lifetime. They were never "high end" like Churchs.

I tried the trainers, but they weigh a good bit more than Asics or Mizuna.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 10:51:30 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

This comes up every couple of years and I try. Slow Train Coming has some good tunes … Precious Angel is even on my Dylan favourites playlist. Shot of Love has Every Grain of Sand (also on my favourites list) and Heart of Mine, which I like. I prided myself on following every Dylan twist and turn where others got offended. I just found my little book where I wrote down records as I bought them. The first Dylan album I bought was Freewheelin’. The next album I bought was Times They Are A –Changin, about a week later. Then I went back and bought the first, “Bob Dylan” (when the Animals mentioned it). It has been a long road with many potholes. I was OK with going electric, I was OK going country, I was OK with Self Portrait and even “Dylan” (aka A Fool Such As I). I love Street Legal.

But Saved is unsaveable. His worst sleeve design (Shot of Love is not good). No memorable melodies. And the lyrics are not simply puerile, they’re actively offensive.

Yes, Jim Keltner, Tim Drummond and Spooner Oldham are a solid rhythm section. The backing singers are superb, and Dylan having the hots for Clydie King may be behind his conversion. He wouldn’t be the first to be led by combined passions. But in their long and busy lifetimes all these backing guys have provided stellar accompaniment to a fair bit of crap. They are session musicians for hire (well, Spooner is a great writer too … pity they didn’t use any of his stuff).

But in the end, you can get the best players in the world but a tuneless rant is a tuneless rant. It’s nasty stuff lyrically. And mainly nonsense. Sorry, I just can’t listen to it. Why do I have the original LP AND the CD? Dunno.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 09:18:55 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Clarks shoes are still privately owned in the main by the same family, Jeff. It was seen when we were kids that it was a real benefit to get Clarks' shoes and caring parents would pay more for the quality.

There is a music connection in that desert boots, designed for soldiers during the war, became a staple of the mods and sixties fashion. There are iconic pictures of the Small Faces all dressed in desert boots.

I still buy Clarks out of habit, but they are not seen as hip, and like many other classic British companies there was disillusionment with them when they moved production abroad.

I'm with Peter, maybe a British thing in this increasingly non religious country, and I'll give the Dylan gospel releases a miss. And I bought the last two albums.

I really enjoy Planet Waves...and it's a really good Band album also.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 03:41:17 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: BEG

BEG: thanks for the 10 shoe link; I'll have to check it out (w/out the accompanying blurb of celebrities loving Blahniks, too fetishist).

Anyway I get a kick out of the academics of "Yellow Submarine"... time was I used to start in singing the lyrics of that anytime G. Bush (the younger) or his sidekick Cheney came on the radio, just so I didn't have to hear his voice. What'll I do if the orange-capped Lie-on walks off w/ it all on Nov. 8? Maybe take a page from J. Prine: blow up the tv, eat a lot of peaches, etc. You're also right-on w/ the ripped jeans, mine get like that from work abuse not some half-baked fashion sensibility.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 00:33:46 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Peter, I always have tremendous respect for your opinions. However, I don't know how as a Dylan fan you can be so dismissive of that time period. Easily his 2nd greatest band and live he never sang with more genuine passion. If you read what Paul Williams wrote about that time frame you will have a much better understanding.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 00:26:12 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

"Bedsit" made me immediately think of Depeche Mode, a great favorite of my daughter's back in those days. Surely the gloomiest band I ever heard - and I got to hear them a lot!


Entered at Fri Oct 21 00:06:14 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Subject: L. Cohen classification

I never had a word to describe Leonard Cohen's approach to the songs I have heard him sing over the years. (?Bedsit) His early work was intense. He loosened up to some degree in the 90s. His work is once again intense. Its all good! Love and a perception of life change can do interesting things to you (even when one is not a writer as excellent as L.Cohen).


Entered at Fri Oct 21 00:03:20 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Bedsit

I never heard the term "bedsit" as a genre definer before. Must say, it's wonderfully descriptive - really conjures up all kinds of images and gives you a definite idea what the music would sound like.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 00:02:58 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The gospel years

Peter V: I don't have many regrets in my life. One of them is that when I had the opportunity to hear/see Bob Dylan in Toronto in 1980, I missed that show. I have watched it many times and it is in a word 'superb'. Though I did not then appreciate what he was doing, that was my 'ridiculous' response to 'the change'. I responded for personal reasons exactly like some did in the mid 60s when he 'went electric'. His performances in 79-80 were inspired and excellent, though many were not enthralled by the subject matter.

I now appreciate what he was doing then and will continue to support that period for the excellent performances that came out of that time. I understand completely how one can get 'turned off' by zealous 'religiosity' but I have admiration for how that time affected him. Just my opinion and I've held it for the last 10-15 years and discuss it whenever individuals who I know put this period down. Your reasons may be different.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 23:41:05 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dylan - The Gospel Years

In spite of my completism with Bob, I might just skip The Gospel Years … and I skipped neither the Christmas album nor the two Frank Sinatra tributes.



Entered at Thu Oct 20 23:40:49 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dylan - The Gospel Years

In spite of my completes with Bob, I might just skip The Gospel Years … and I skipped neither the Christmas album nor the two Frank Sinatra tributes.



Entered at Thu Oct 20 21:25:14 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: life on the highway

Bob F: thanks for that news . . . I'd be very interested to see the Rolling Thunder Revue documentary . . . . Never saw _Renaldo and Clara_, but I did read Sam Shepard's _Rolling Thunder Logbook_ once upon a time, and I've always appreciated McGuinn's "Take Me Away" . . . . According to the footnote at [My link], Ms. Mitchell wrote (and revised) "Coyote" while on the road with the Revue.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 20:24:59 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Dylan's people are already looking at the next installment of the Bootleg Series.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 19:09:49 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Leonard's bedsit image was gone by the late 70s. It just happened to be his way in. But people still do see him that way. I'd play them First We Take Manhatten (LINKED)


Entered at Thu Oct 20 17:16:50 CEST 2016 from (184.149.38.113)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Old Shoes...Levon and The Hawks

Congrats to Cleveland. They were the better team as they have a more balanced roster. Really enjoyed Lindor......Unfortunately not on our team. You can't live by the home run in the playoffs. Watched practically every game and saw the blow out against Minnesota. Next week it's The Raps.....


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:45:43 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Dunc, it was in Pegasus ( i think it was the name then ) in woodstock, around 88 back when Clark's were still a high end super high quality shoe, that i discovered CLark's mainstay shoe in a 101/2 H (4E)was perfect for me. Sometimes i had 3 -4 pair at a time. Clarks got bought out along time ago i guess, to me it seems the quality and the shoes are really different. & finding wide widths is really hard. Maybe it more common sizes they offer a great shoe...For a gazillion reasons, i'm not a shop by mail person, especially when it comes to things that gotta fit and have huge quality issues.. But I do see Clarks in the discount stores here, like Marshalls, T J MAxx, etc etc. I remember paying 89 bucks fr great Clarks in 1988, ow they have schlock for 24 to 45 bucks in the discount stores. What a world we live in.

Woodstock had a store named Kenco, work clothes, safety gear, that was incredible. Great stuff, super quality, it was out past the cemetery etc. that was one helluva store for anny kind of work clothes, jeans, & high quality outdoors clothes. Woolrich, Pemebrton, a gazillion great brands, and brands I hadnlt heard of prior. Like sheffield Jeans, which were killer jeans. . they had some selection of footwear, and i got all kinds of great boots in there. It was and still is ( relocated) one of those stores you need to go to once a week. First of all, cause it was always fun- but....Their prices were substantial in accordance with the quality,, but they always had some kind of deal going on, and you could score really expensive stuff very inexpensively , if you were in thr right place at the right time. It;s a long time ago they moved to Hurley, off 28, near Aaron's ( Louies) studio.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:43:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Dunc, Simone Felice is playing the Hug & Pint, Glasgow on November 2nd. Solo. Unmissable … link is a live track from Munich in 2014.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:00:52 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks, Peter, - really enjoyed the Simone Felice.

Thanks, Bob. I googled the walkway. What beautiful countryside you work in. I would have loved to have run the half marathon over the walkway in earlier times.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 15:23:37 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Thanks Dunc - RoseAnn at Mercury Lounge

Dunc, it's an aluminum floor. We have a kettle corn concession on The Walkway Over The Hudson State Park. The Walkway is one of the longest pedestrian bridges in the world. A mile and 1/4 much of which is directly over the Hudson River.

Dunc, thanks for keeping RoseAnn's music out there. She's working on a bunch of new songs which she will be playing at 7pm this Sunday at Mercury Lounge, New York City.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 15:19:24 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yes Pete. I had leather orthotics made in '89. Now you gotta remember I've been carrying about a dozen damaged discs since mid '85. There was no adjusting to those orthotics for me. Talk about pain. Imagine trying to push a straightening rod through a damaged spine to grow an inch or two.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 11:58:33 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Dunc, I'm sure the sticky lemon goo was banana fritter. Just no banana taste, but that would be the slimy bit in the middle. The ice-cream they told us proudly was Walls.

If anyone is having a day getting into lyrics, do give Simone Felice a try. I've linked this one in the past, Bye Bye Palenville with Anna Mitchell.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 11:53:07 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Leonard Cohen

Leonard's 2008 tour of the UK was very successful. If you haven't got the album and you are a fan, buy it. The musicianship is great an Leonard is in top form.

It got quite a bit of press coverage and I remember Howard Jacobsen, a novelist and commentator, stating that when he first came across Leonard, he was a poet, but he's older than me.

I first came across Leonard round about 1970 and his songs led me to reading his novels, but I think it would be a student thing.

When I said I was going to the Glasgow concert at work, there were some groans and comments such as 'music to slit your wrists to' and 'the bedsit tapes'.

I thought the concert was great.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 11:37:25 CEST 2016 from (86.128.176.192)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Peter, we had a choice of two soups, but dessert was always ice cream(one scoop) or banana fritter.

I was a runner upto about aged 50, and would agree that wearing running shoes is a good idea. I am wearing Clarks' trainers just now - really comfortable, but they would not be seen as hip.

Some amount of walking that you do, Jeff.

Lost in translation, Bob. What's a 'concesion trailer floor'? I don't thinkl we have them in Scotland.

The latest retirement project is I play every Bob Dylan album four times in a row. In Total Silence. 'Another Side of Bob Dylan' is brilliant.

Peter made a point certain of Bob's songs could be rappers. Listened closely and I agree.

Playing other material in between. Cahoots three times in a row and RoseAnn the day before yesterday'... and just now Pretzel Logic by Steely Dan.

Looking forward to RoseAnn's next CD. I've linked a great song by RoseAnn.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 10:55:08 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If you wear trainers (as we call sneakers) all day, as I do, they wear out quite quickly. They’re rated at 100s of miles for runners, but podiatrists tell me that if they’re the only shoe you wear, even the best will be deteriorating by 4 months, need replacing at 6 months. 7-12 city miles a day on hard pavements, 4 months is good.

Jeff … orthotics. We have seen a lot of podiatrists over the years … Mrs V had a foot operation, and I had knee pain, and an old ankle injury. They have two schools of thought … hard full orthotics to last “forever” versus soft half orthotics. Both of us having tried both, I reckon the latter school is right. If orthotics work, they will change your gait. If they change your gait, they will eventually cease to be right, and you need to get remeasured and new angles. And the soft ones, like the shoes will lose effect after 4 months or so.

The other advice I had was either wear trainers, or bare feet. Avoid other shoes for more than an hour or two at a special event


Entered at Thu Oct 20 07:19:31 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Just because Peter V asks.

Has anyone ever seen brown trainers (sneakers)? - Yes, we have three pairs. But has anyone ever seen brown albums?


Entered at Thu Oct 20 00:59:31 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Many men's sneakers- including running shoes- have that same issue as shoe shoes, with the escalating elevating pointing to the moon front end today. It's ridiculous.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 00:56:39 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, theoretically I agree. Yet it' almost impossible for me to find any kind of suitable sneakers. The toxicity of the material or fit is the issue. Early this year I had a great fitting super comfortable pair of New Balance, but it's probably the first pair of sneaks i 've had since a few years prior.I wore the heels completely out in a matter of months, I was walking about 7 - 12 city miles most days.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 00:43:26 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Kevin, you got me thinking about the Leonard Cohen novels. In the 70's and 80's I don't think they were even released in the USA. I can remember finding them in a book store in Toronto on a Dylan tour in the 80's and being quite happy. They must be roasting somewhere up in the attic now. No disrespect intended. Almost everything ends up up there eventually.

Peter, I'm with you all the way with the Asics. I stand on a concession trailer floor all day and without those sneaks I'd be in some kind of pain. I wear them everywhere. However, I do like to wear suede shoes in the winter including hush puppies.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 23:51:43 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Fuck the shoes, Jeff. Stick to running trainers. You do have a point about quality control though … I had a rough piece of stiff thread in my latest Asics that I had to put a sticking plaster over. True of all of them.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 21:39:25 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Shooting for the stars.

This newish design trend of having the far end of men's shoes escalating upward has severely lessened the field for me to buy shoes. It makes shoes totally uncomfortable for me. After all these centuries, who the fuck decided that men's feet should point to the sky. What the fuck, are we gonna start shooting missiles from our shoes?


Entered at Wed Oct 19 21:06:03 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, the 3 shillings and sixpence Chinese Meal was at the Queen's Garden, Bournemouth, and they had tablecloths. It may account for the price difference, not that they were clean tablecloths. The chicken and sweetcorn soup was memorable. Sweet & Sour fat and gristle lumps served with rice, and a lump of sticky lemony syrup goo with a bit of custard on. Don't know what it was called but they all did it as the only dessert. We considered it the height of luxury.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 20:19:34 CEST 2016 from (107.77.97.45)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: White Sox

Jeff - White sox were so fine in SoCal 1964 that they were required for my 8th grade grad photo. And of course with black shoes.

The White Sox are also our fine PotUS' favorite team - Man, what I wouldn't give for his 3rd term!


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:47:51 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

White socks are always fine anytime.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:39:03 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

KEVIN......I think I've got it now. I was talking about fashion for sure. Even my brother told me that brown shoes with dark pants is trendy but......He didn't tell me why. So I went into a store today to return something.....actually navy pants that I would have worn with black shoes or fashion sneaks.. I don't own blue suede shoes.....Anyway I see a huge poster with a young guy wearing white sox with black jeans and black shoes. So I asked if the grease look is back. Lol......He said oh no we're trying to be edgy. Then I asked about brown shoes with dark pants/suits epidemic. His reply was that young peopleare just rebelling against the older status quo generation. Ok got it now. Visually I still don't dig it.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:35:27 CEST 2016 from (24.114.48.2)

Posted by:

Bill M

Glenn T: Maybe George shoulda gotten a Nobel. Three of the four line-ending words even rhyme.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:09:13 CEST 2016 from (107.77.97.45)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Brown Shoes and Frank Z

I can't speak for the rest of the world or even the USA, but in SoCal in the early/mid 60's brown shoes did not make it; and that was Frank's fertile and topical turf then too. Fashion conformity is always an easy target - as it should be! As I recall Billie the Mountain was the story of LA.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:05:22 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Leonard Cohen

I notice the picture from the new Leonard Cohen has him holding a cigarette. Reminds me that a decade or so back, whenever his comeback to touring took place, he would mention in interviews that he had quit smoking and given up drinking BUT that he had told his doctor to watch out because when he turned 80, the cigarettes and whiskey were coming back with full force ! I guess he's keeping his word on that one.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:51:38 CEST 2016 from (70.121.40.130)

Posted by:

Glenn T

Subject: Old BROWN shoe (George Harrison)

Now I'm stepping out this old brown shoe

Oh, baby I'm in love with you

So glad you came here

It won't be the same now I'm telling you


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:42:04 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.31)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Why the fuck not blue shoes with a blue suit?

Me, i wear whatever i can find that fits comfortably ( & everything that implies. effects on knees, spine, etc)& does not reek of toxicity. I don't care about the color, the style, nada else.I'm a 10 1/2 4E to 5E, and like eye glass frames, do best with shoes made in Italy or Japan or the USA.

So, because of size, and the high toxicity level of shoes made in china, & the rest of Southeast Asia,I'll wear anything that fits and i can handle. China, I have a shot, the rest of Southeast Asia, I definitely can't deal with the materials. Often I end up with Florsheims in my size or 11d, Stacy Adams i find plenty of extra wide 10 1/2, Crocs i can wear in 12 when I can find the higher end suedish Mexican ones , Perry Ellis i can wear 11 D, Totes insulated winter boots, size 13 works fine, i just found a great pair of high end Eddie Bauer lined winter boots on sale for 39 bucks in a sporting goods store close out. size 12, fit like a glove, really are 150 dollar boots. . Occasionally I find new balance 10 1/2 4e i can handle, but they've moved most everything to Vietnam or Thailland, same with Asics. & that Asics cantilvered inner heel & I don't get along. I did well with Reeboks classics for some time, but the same thing, they moved mostly to thailand & Vietnam. Deer Stags & Soft stags, when i find em my size 10 i/2 double wide, i can fit in em & I'm happy. S.A.S, made n texas, is a great walking shoe, I had a few pair, they make up to 4 or 5 E. Propet seem great, but i;ve yet to find a pair for myself.

i often doctor sizes to fit with one or two pair of Equate inner soles

I walk a lot, and go through shoes pretty quick.

A big issue today is the defects in the shoes. So many pair are made poorly, all kinds of irregularities when you try em on- one might have to find three or four pair till I can put together a proper pair.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:18:17 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: BEG......Brown Shoes........Bob F........Bob Dylan Shuffle

BEG: The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada. Premiers sit at the kids table.

My comment about brown shoes that kicked off this discussion had more to do with conformity than fashion. Black shoes had gotten boring and I first started seeing brown shoes with blues and blacks in Germany and other parts of Europe 10 years ago......style guys have been partial to this for a long time now but when you start seeing all the dorky's doing it - and believe me it has now reached close to 100% in Toronto and most big cities in the U.S. - time to call an end to it. A bit like when punk fashion made it into Vogue magazine in late 1970's, you just new the scene was dead.

Thank you, Bob F for the NPR tip on Leonard Cohen's new one. I did something today I have never done before.......while I regularly go to the "songs" category and use "shuffle" on my iPod while exercising, I had never gone to Bob Dylan and used the "shuffle" feature. Just a stunning selection and combination of songs. Might spend weeks on this!


Entered at Wed Oct 19 17:58:18 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Peter, I can remember 2s and 6d for a three course Chinese lunch and then it went up to 3s.

I was reading blue suits and brown shoes is fashionable now.

I'm with George Best, Al.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 17:24:21 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Paul McCartney only ever wears trainers (sneakers) with a suit. Has anyone ever seen brown trainers? NO! That's the answer.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 16:58:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Fred, Nike lose points for refusing to obey the rules of English pronunciation (and being too narrow for me). Next time you're in a trainer shop, walk around the floor in Asics.

Al Edge: Maradona? Best? No, Ollie Norris, Bournemouth& Boscombe Athletic FC. #8. 1957-58 season.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 15:54:37 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Quality Shoe

Angelina: I think that song came out when I was around 2, I may have heard it now and then, but I do remember being "teased" about it once or twice. : )


Entered at Wed Oct 19 14:50:51 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.......and of course I have to find a link about songs and shoes! ;-D

Hey Freddy! Are you old enough to remember the song "Do The Freddy"? Anyway about Converse sneakers...You're right about the non-supportive soles. My sneaks are either New Balance as podiatrist recommends or my retro pair I was referring to yesterday are by Ecco. My brother would never wear brown shoes. He's always been into fashion and has a strong European sensibility. Think of Bryan Ferry's style......except my brother wears jeans a lot but would wear a blazer to dress it up but when it comes to suits......I think his one designer suit looks like he's on the cover of GQ. I first noticed that our Premier Justin Trudeau was always wearing brown shoes with his suits! Then I noticed commentators on TV were wearing brown shoes and thought what the .................Then I thought about the late John Kennedy Jr. and his style.......He would never wear brown shoes as he lived in Europe for awhile. Edgy.....Sometimes it's just fun to talk about light things, eh?

I tried to read Dylan's Tarantula and then realized I couldn't join Bob on this trip. I tried to read Cohen's Beautiful Losers......Is that a great title or what? In high school we had to analyze "I Am A Rock" by Simon and Garfunkel. In elementary school today The Beatles "Yellow Submarine" is included in the Music Builders program. Bob Marley should have received some kind of award since more people in the world know his music. He tried to change the world with his music. He put his life on the line for social justice. As far as his band The Wailers......Well.....After reading their side of things.......Kids.....Learn to write songs and collect your royalties! Btw, Baez had always said that Dylan wasn't really an activist but more of a reporter on what was happening in the world. Nothing wrong with that role but when some people make him out to be our saviour......LOL.....The way I do about Marley.......LOL

Pet Peeves :
Men taking up too much space on our public transit. Do you really have to open your legs so wide that we only get half a seat when I paid for a full fare?
People wearing distressed jeans or jeans that have rips in them. Really? So if a homeless person looks the same not cool but when someone has money to look like they don't have money........Sorry! I can't stand this look!!!!!!!!


Entered at Wed Oct 19 14:41:32 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Leonard's New Record on NPR

Been listening and loving Leonard's new record on NPR.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 14:28:33 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: There's a brown boot on the pitch....they think the fashion shoot is all over!!

Ha ha

hey Fred - you're deffo on a roll mate!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 19 13:40:14 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

I'm sure George Best never wore brown shoes with a blue suit. Maradona? If he did, he'd probably say "the Hand of God" was involved. ; )


Entered at Wed Oct 19 13:35:59 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Great debates

Ha ha

Just come fresh from a truly amazing debate on a couple of the footy sites I frequent about who ranks as the greatest player of all time [for me I cannot put a feeler gauge between Bestie and Maradona btw but most won't have Bestie anywhere near the very top of the pantheon] only to find that the real debate is here on the GB:-

Brown or black shoes with a blue suit!!!!!

You've got to love the GB

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 19 12:20:48 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries
Web: My link

Subject: Nobel Prize for song lyricists

Not Bob, but Tagore was first.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:54:39 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Peter: I find that the Nike AIr Monarchs I bought last year have enough cushion to keep the getting older knees from complaining. And normally I'm not a Nike kind of guy.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:39:52 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Brown boots

It has a long intro by the owner, but I commend the linked 78 rpm record of "Brown Boots" on YouTube. This monologue by Stanley Holloway was a popular recitation, even in the late 50s. It is on exactly the brown v black topic.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:34:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brown and black shoes don't make it

Fred … shoes and knees. When the knees start to irritate, switch to running trainers. I’ve had that advice from several directions. The lighter the running shoe the better, and again I’ve been told New Balance is “OK” but Mizuna or Asics are the real deal. This is true. Until very recently this removed one entirely from the brown shoes / black shoes debate as the running shoe manufactures favour tangerine, or turquoise or lime green. I used to manage to get mid-blue or white with just a bit of tangerine, which was not too bad.

Fortunately the running shoes makers have recently realized that the old farts buying running shoes for comfort and knees don’t need fluorescent colours so as to be seen when jogging in the dark. So today I’m wearing black Asics with just the smallest flash of reflective silver. I have a white pair of Mizuna for different occasions.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:27:07 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Categories

Categories

Bookshops usually have sections for Fiction, Classics, Crime, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Romance. Some have a further divide (which always annoys me greatly) Fiction and Literature.

I guess music stores used to the same:, which in the UK was Pop, Rock, Easy Listening, Metal, Folk, Country, Soul, Jazz, Dance, Urban. Increasingly some got dumped into “Specialist.” Bigger stores have Rock ‘n’ Roll, but I get irritated when I see Chuck Berry in Easy Listening, because of its date.

No one has categorised a music shop by lyric. Wouldn’t that be odd? Popular and Literary by lyrics, perhaps with an extension on Literary for Pretentious. We know Paul Simon and Leonard Cohen would go in the Literary. I’d put RR there as well, but I’d hide Cahoots from the committee deciding it. Then in spite of his otherwise superb lyrics, Paul Simon’s The Dangling Conversation would form the template for deciding what went in the Pretentious section.

Fred: Way back in the 60s, when a 3 course Chinese Business Lunch cost three shillings and sixpence or 17.5p (as Al and Dunc may confirm), Leonard Cohen was only seen in girls’ record collections. Those first three albums were the cornerstone of exclusively female “Bedsitter music” flanked by Cat Stevens and Al Stewart. This is not a bad thing at all. When concerts pass the 50/50 gender balance into “more female” the music is invariably better … Paul Simon, James Taylor, Jackson Browne all get more than 50% women. Steve Vai got 95% men. Point proven.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 06:29:26 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Put on your old brown shoes

I have nothing against brown shoes ....I have several pair. It's just I don't think they should be worn with a blue or black suit. Ever. ; )

Angelina...I stopped wearing Hi Tops (aka sole killers) once my knee started giving me more trouble than usual : (

re: Leonard Cohen... I don't think anyone in my age group/social circle liked him, then again I did go to heavy metal/hard rock high school. Oddly enough I have quite a number of European friends (same age as me) who are fans of Mr. Cohen's music.

I'm not really a fan of his music, but I always like listening to/watching any interview he gives.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 05:26:16 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: shoes

Wow: Dylan v P.Simon v RR v Joni... this conversation could go on a long while (afraid I can't speak to Mr. Cohen, due to a lack of familiarity).

You could always do what my (now, late) brother did back in the 70's: 2 pair of gray hush puppies and 2 of tan. Yeah, he was quite the nerd, a journalist nerd but still a nerd. He had 2 of each as they were in varying states of nappiness. To be honest, I don't know but what I'd prefer good cowboy boots (w/ a cowboy heel) w/ my blue blazer and khakies; most any shade will do other than dark brown. That said, one of my favorite local farmers favors bright green or red Crocs, a look I was fond enough of to get a hunter orange pair myself. We'll see when I'm bold enough to pair them w/ the double-breasted black suit still in the closet from driving-a-limo days.

The prominence of brown shoes is maybe just ignorance or willfully channeling one's inner nerd. But then I don't live in NYC where black seems the only "color" you're allowed to wear. (I recall it as a lack of color by definition in early architecture studio classes.)


Entered at Wed Oct 19 03:38:40 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I wouldn't go to war over the matter, but I'd say that as brilliant as the Deptford trilogy is, it's Richler's "Solomon Gursky Was Here" that does it for me. On of my top three, along with "The Horse's Mouth" and "End of the World News" (and then there's "In Dubious Battle", "Narziss and Goldmund", "Ivan Denisovitch", "Darkness at Noon").

Offhand, I'd say that while Dylan certainly deserves his prize for his oeuvre, in terms of very short bursts I prefer Simon's "The way we look to a distant constellation that's dying in a corner of the sky" and "I pulled into Nazareth, was feeling 'bout half-past dead" to anything of Bob's that springs to my mind.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 02:00:56 CEST 2016 from (24.114.70.222)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Lennie and the Nobel prize

There is Lennie of prize-winner Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men" - which also shares a recurring line with this year's winner's "Too Much Of Nothing": "... live off the fat of the land".


Entered at Wed Oct 19 01:51:39 CEST 2016 from (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Coach HD

Robertson in the same stratum as Dylan and Paul Simon?

Not in this lifetime.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 23:50:38 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Kevin, I agree on novels. My enthusiasm for Robertson Davies is unbounded, and I had a Mordicai Richler "read everything" phase once too. But without ruffling feathers, I'd put Robertson Davies first of all … though there mist be loads I've never read by others,


Entered at Tue Oct 18 23:48:18 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One of the many articles on Bob as Nobel Laureate said only Paul Simon and Joni Mitchell had the same literary appeal. Wrong. I think Leonard Cohen is the most obvious candidate of all, and the poems and novels help … then Paul Simon, and indeed why not Robbie Robertson? Like Paul Simon and Leonard Cohen he is clearly a "craftsman" writer.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 23:08:12 CEST 2016 from (184.146.90.70)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Leonard Cohen

For obvious reasons, Leonard Cohen’s novels were not part of High School curriculums. I liked parts of both books though I would stop well short of declaring him a great novelist in the way fellow Canadian writers Robertson Davies or Mordecai Richler can unquestionably be so described. I had always hoped L. Cohen would have returned to writing books and thought all those years in semi-seclusion in the monastery might have generated a book or two. Not to be. Perhaps it was the commercial and critical failure of his novels and then the great success of his songwriting on the heels of that that turned the switch…….also, the workload contrast……..2-3 years writing a book and submitting draft after draft after draft to the publishers then finally having its release and selling just a few thousand copies….making really no money to speak of……..writing his songs in comparison and the relative control and quickness in which the finished product went to the powers to be and then went to release and serious money….would have been instructive !


Entered at Tue Oct 18 22:58:44 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Leonard Cohen for the Nobel Prize for Literature? No guys, don't push it. The idea is not as crazy as The Donald for Potus, but no... I would have liked Philip Roth for Nobel Prize 2018, but he is as American as Bob Dylan... don't think twice it's alright.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 21:19:07 CEST 2016 from (96.239.25.33)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: shoesr

Blue suit = Cordovan shoes


Entered at Tue Oct 18 21:10:36 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Peter V

No problem Peter. I was trying to be tongue in cheek. No problem.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 20:05:18 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry, John, I was only joking with Kevin about his "Non-Canadians don't know the poetry line" - it wasn't a serious comment!


Entered at Tue Oct 18 19:24:43 CEST 2016 from (38.122.184.45)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Fashion forward brother told me that it was trendy eight years ago to wear brown shoes with dark pants. Hey Fred....I had red leather high tops in Grad School. Now I have black ones which are suede and they're funky with a bit of paton leather. This afternoon we live or die with the home run.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 19:00:45 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.74)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Article on Berry by Guralnick


Entered at Tue Oct 18 18:34:56 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.74)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: New Chuck

New Chuck Berry record.

Bob Lohr is a old friend. We worked together in for about half a year in 1982. Very funny story. Anyway, we both split from the job. He went to law school. I opened my won company.
Keith Robinson was the most frequent drummer in the previously mentioned Keith Doder's Blue City Band while i lived in St Louis. Both Bob & Keith were on that Blue To Bright recording of Keith's that I mentioned. Both of em are fine players.

This Chuck Berry record was recorded a few years ago now, Chuck hasn't been in great health, so they haven't been performing, even locally. But the guy is 90 years old.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 16:33:45 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Leonard Cohen

Peter that's quite a brush you've painted Canadians with; when it comes to knowing that Leonard is indeed a novelist. Probably why it's not mentioned here is because this is primarily a music site. Anyway this is one Canadian who knows LC is a great novelist.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 15:36:38 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: pretzel logic

I stepped up on the platform
The man gave me the news
He said, "You must be joking, son -
Where did you get those shoes?"


Entered at Tue Oct 18 10:51:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brown Shoes Don't Make It

At my son's state grammar school, 20 years ago, the uniform was grey suits and black shoes, as it was when I was there myself fifty years ago. My son's headmaster was an ex-military man, and made an odd dispensation. The 17-18 year olds could wear brown shoes instead, but only if in suede. The head always wore a grey suit with brown Hush Puppies himself, a look I found sartorially lacking, but he clearly thought it a reasonable exception. He had not considered that no cool 17-18 year old would be seen dead wearing brown Hush Puppies.

In my day, all the schoolmasters wore suits and ties. The Art Teacher wore a tweed jacket, cord trousers, a soft checked shirt and woollen tie and brown shoes. This was considered, I imagine, to be an art teacher uniform.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 10:44:18 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Kevin, I can’t understand why Canadians mention Leonard Cohen’s songs and poems, but forget he is a novelist, The Favourite Game and Beautiful Losers.

Ben, three of us did Leonard on Toppermost. We were allowed a 15 too. Looking at the 15, all get in on “literary merit” though that was not a consideration. In JT and Lucretia’s section they quotes the Academy of American Poets:

“He has succeeded in blending poetry, fiction and music” … while it may seem to some that Leonard Cohen departed from the literary in pursuit of the musical, his fans continue to embrace him as a Renaissance man who straddles the elusive artistic borderlines”.

I’d have to think of ten on literary merit, but I can’t think of any that lack it offhand.

Leonard Bernstein got mentioned in my Desert Island list, Ragtime. I think of him as Leonard too.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 10:35:08 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Lennies

Nobody's mentioning Lennie Bernstein here... the one and only...

Of course I liked Jerry Orbach, the Lennie with the best oneliners.

Teacher murdered, Lennie says "Well, he had his last class today"

Chef murdered, Lennie says "Well, he cooked his last meal today..."

Doctor murdered, "Well, he couldn't cure himself today..."

Prostitute murdered,"Well, her last punter made her day..."

By the way, Canadian actress (not native NYC) Jill Hennessy was in L&O for a long time as a prosecutor who got killed eventually. Band connection: I once saw a photo of Jill and Robbie Robertson at a Canadian hall-of-fame-thing.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 09:08:39 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Although I haven't worn a suit in years...

Brown shoes with a blue suit?!? Good grief. Red Converse Hi-Tops, yes; brown shoes ....no. : )

The Canadian Lit. textbook I had (I want to say in Grade 12, but it could have been in Grade 13) didn't have any Leonard Cohen, but did have Gordon Lightfoot's Canadian Railroad Trilogy in it. Which read as a poem by a hyper-energetic English teacher turned out surprisingly well.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 07:58:15 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Always funny to observe non-Canadians discuss L.Cohn's literary contributions and limit it to his songs..........many of us here studied L..Cohen as part of English Lit courses in high school (grades 8 through final year 11 ) and the entire focus - along with the likes of Irvin Layton, Raymond Souster, Al Purdy, Margaret Atwood - was his published poetry......one teacher I had in a North American Lit course grade 10 had mentioned Leonard Cohen was a recording artist and was brave enough to play an album in class........let's just say a group of 15 year olds that thought Jimmy Page was God were not ready for what we heard !

That all said, to Ben Pike's question and if the Nobel crowd was just to limit it to L.Cohen's songs, I guess a case could be made if one was just to take the "Best Of" and "I'm Your Man'" albums......a thin case though........Robbie Robertson's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" is so much more worthy in terms of lasting maginificance and true literary greatness than any pop song writer not named Bob Dylan.....in fact, on just this one case, I do not believe even Bob ever came close.....

WHERE IS TODD.......I miss him here.

I hate conformity......anyone else tired of every f*cking white male over 25 wearing brown shoes with blue, black and dark suits.......dare not wear black....enough already !


Entered at Tue Oct 18 05:49:34 CEST 2016 from (97.92.250.170)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Eyes on the prize

Peter, what 10 Leonard Cohen songs would you submit to the Nobel committee in an attempt to make a case for the prize?


Entered at Tue Oct 18 03:49:20 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Right Lenny's Pizza Film into link

I grabbed the wrong Saturday Night Fever related link before. It lacks pizza, is a music video made from the film, rather than the actual film opening. This time i got the right one..

That's the Verazzano Bridge that follows the Brooklyn Bridge in the film in the beginning of the film. We got four major bridges leading into & out of Brooklyn. A fifth, the Marine Park Bridge, leading into the Belle Harbor, Breezy Point, & Rockaways of Queens, is no slouch.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 01:55:35 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Lenny's Pizza

Lenny's Pizza. The Pizza place Travolta stopped in on 86th st at the beginning of Saturday Night Fever. About two years ago I met the original owner's daughter or grand daughter, who works there now, & I stopped there about a year ago. Place was exceedingly dirty, stunk like bug spray, & to top that off the pizza had been sitting too long. I walked in & out.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 01:10:30 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lenny Kravitz

Lenny Kaye...Patti Smith Group
Lenny Breau...imagezulu knew about him but had no idea that Rick and Levon.........

Let's Go Blue Jays!!!!!!!!

Blue Jays Walk Up Songs 2016.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 00:41:45 CEST 2016 from (24.114.53.73)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Good catch. Not sure if I ever saw him with Myles and Lenny gig, but it seems likely.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Myles and Lenny

Bill M: Has Lenny Solomon been mentioned?


Entered at Mon Oct 17 23:25:30 CEST 2016 from (64.229.12.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

I've encountered guys called Len and guys called Leonard, but Breau is the only Lenny I recall speaking with.

Speaking of musicians, has Lenny Davidson (of Tottenham, I believe) been mentioned?


Entered at Mon Oct 17 20:33:12 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The New Blackie & The Rodeo Kings CD

It's called Kings and Kings. Duets with some of the best male vocalists. They have already done their Queen's album. Just a note to mention that each musician does their "thanks to" paragraph. At the end of Tom Wilson's he thanks Levon & The Hawk. BTW, I heard from the Hawk yesterday. It was great to speak with him again.


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Of course, that original Law & Order was created & written by Dick Wolf, a native NYer (Manhattan), & owed a lot of its success to that & the fact that most of those early cop roles were played by native NYers, when most natives behaved that way . Max Greevey ( George Dzundza, Bronx), Phil Cerreta ( Paul Sorvino, Brooklyn), Lenny Briscoe (Jerry Ohrbach, Bronx), & Mike Logan (Chris Noth, even though he is from Wisconsin, he nailed it ) coulda been your father, uncle, neighbor, cousin if you grew up here. Adam Schiff was as normal NYC as they come,, played by Steven Hill, though he was from Seattle, had been in NYC since his 20s. He had me fooled, i woulda sworn he was a native.. Alot of the actors that played judges and many of the defense attorneys were natives too. Michael Imperioli (Brooklyn), who played a detective for a short period, also native. While the writing on that show was excellent, I'm betting that there was a helluva lot of ad libbing. I'd image

Jerry Ohrbach's son is a musician, or one of hi sons, way back when he was in a band named Urban Blight that had a lot of local notoriety. Wasn't my thing though.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 17:17:49 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Rolling Stones full concert at Desert Trip 2016. Mick benefitted greatly by having a Dad who taught gym. He learned at a very early age how to stay in shape no matter what your age.

Lenny...Caretaker at school who gave me a mixed cassette with Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops" included.
Lenny...Financial planner's assistant whose real name is Eleni (Helen).


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:54:43 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Len, McCabe, and Mrs. Miller

Robert Christgau anatomizes the soundtrack of the Robert Altman masterpiece.
Mentions of 2x John Simonses.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:49:16 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lennie Briscoe

My wife's favourite character; from Law & Order.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:48:46 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: "Inside Bob Dylan's Massive New 36-Album 1966 Live Box Set"

From _Rolling Stone_, about how the sets were recorded.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:48:48 CEST 2016 from (81.65.195.186)

Posted by:

Jeff B

Location: France
Web: My link

Subject: Big fan of american classics, if you ever come to france

Well I may say I'm an instant fan of all american music. If you ever come to France just pay me a visit.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:44:58 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lennie Briscoe

Lennie Briscoe was one of my favourite characters. He and McCoy made TV special in those years.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:16:35 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie's interview with Toronto's Shad about Hiawatha. 20.06
Robbie felt by 12 he was a good guitar player and then the following year he was better then anyone at Six Nations.

SEBASTIAN...I noticed the last time Robbie was promoting one of his books that in LA there were signed books left in the store. What about us in Toronto? I've seen him everytime except the last time and saw him at Eric's Guitar Fest. Just wondering why Toronto fans don't have the same opportunities if we can't make it to his shows.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:15:10 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Pulling the plug

The 'road' is more than substances and temptation. It is loneliness and everything that goes with it. It is lack of emotional comfort. In the right 'circumstances', as others have noted above, it can be a dangerous place to be. Robbie Robertson made that point loud and clear and pulled the plug before tragedy occurred in that cycle. Unfortunately, circumstances prevailed for some. Others managed to prevail. Its a sad reality.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 15:54:24 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Heroin...the last time the VU performed together in Paris 1993.
The very first time I was exposed to Louuu was in high school "Rock and Roll Animal" Live.
The Band had "Forbidden Fruit" but Louuu honestly wrote about it especially at a time when you had to decode songs but Louuu.......Patti Smith inducted him into the RRHOF and also commented on how pure his writing is here.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 15:45:05 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Heroin then.....


Entered at Mon Oct 17 15:01:08 CEST 2016 from (130.64.25.61)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Robbie on the Tonight Show

The Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon Tue 11:35 PM in PST · by Robbie Robertson


Entered at Mon Oct 17 10:56:55 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I knew I was missing someone, Alonzo - Lonnie Johnson, that's the big one.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 10:27:03 CEST 2016 from (86.25.242.77)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Lonnie Donegan

Donegan was his real surname but I think he just chose "Lonnie" as his stage name because of the way the two names sounded together. From where or whom did he get "Lonnie"? I don't know but maybe it was from Lonnie Johnson, whose first name was Alonzo.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 10:22:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, you started me looking on Wiki. His name was Tony Donegan, but in 1952 he changed it for stage use, taking "Lonny" from Lonnie Johnson, who he admired. So Lonnie in Lonnie Johnson was short for Alonzo.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 10:17:55 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, Lonnie is often short for Orlando. I imagine it can work for Lorenzo as well.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 09:18:32 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Leo, Len, Lenny, Leonard

Or was he a Leo? In the classroom? At my school he would never have got past “Cohen!” All our names were said with exclamation marks by teachers. No one had first names, even in the playground we referred to each other by surnames. It wasn’t until we started going to places where you met girls that we started using first names to each other.

The famous Lennys for me are Lenny Bruce, Lenny Henry (both comedians) and Lenny The Lion, a popular ventriloquist’s dummy in my childhood. If Leonard had reached pop stardom seven or eight years earlier, he would have been in the –y ending era … Bobby, Tommy, Jimmy, Micky, Danny, Johnny, Billy, Willy etc. But I don’t recall a teen idol Lenny, though Lenny Bruce was in that era. And there was Lonny Donegan. What was Lonny short for? And Joan Baez has called Bob “Bobby” in interviews.

My sister can inventively reduce any name to one syllable, and is the only one who has ever managed to shorten my wife’s name. She’d go for Len. Or maybe Leh. But I say, ‘Look at that suit. That man was born Leonard.’ In interviews, his band always refer to him as Leonard.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 08:37:38 CEST 2016 from (114.75.202.187)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Robbie being inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 08:23:05 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Though others may come to mind later, right now my favorite Lennys are Lenny Briscoe & Lenny my car mechanic in Da Bronx.



Entered at Mon Oct 17 03:48:08 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Lenny

All the Leonards I ever knew were Lennys on the street. In the classroom they were Leonards. I'm sure given what I know about Montreal and all the people I know from Montreal...he is Lenny.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 00:55:20 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Leonard Cohen's Montreal

So, is he or isn't he a "Lenny"?


Entered at Mon Oct 17 00:36:16 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: If you have an addictive sickness,you will find something to feed it.

Not true according to research,nationally and internationally.My last word here,at this time on this topic.I come here to have fun,and learn from others about the music I've loved and that I consider my musical essence.The Band and noble Bob!


Entered at Mon Oct 17 00:25:44 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Will seek out the Al Green.

On addiction, I know a guy who kicked them all. Then he started going to the gym and found himself going for longer every day. He realised he was addicted to the gym, or endorphins. If you have an addictive sickness, you will find something to feed it. The gym is mainly healthier than the alternatives, though it can screw up your knees. As has been pointed out, those lycra clad guys on sports bikes, head down, pumping away at 30 plus mph on our streets (and sidewalks) are also chasing a chemical addiction.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 23:32:37 CEST 2016 from (72.82.137.178)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Peter, Have you heard Al Green's version of 'A change is gonna come' from 'The Concert for the R&R hall of Fame'. It's pretty amazing. Definitely one of the highlights of that concert.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 23:28:56 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Sorry,Neil

Watching/Listening to Neil at DT 2.Yes,he's still awesome.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 23:18:04 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Desert Trip 2-Dylan

Bob put on his best show since the late 90's.Absolutely powerful performance.Bob is at one with the music and the band,and the band with him.In great voice.Magnificent.Last week was outstanding,Friday night was well beyond.He made the other oldsters look like nostalgia acts,while his music/lyrics were still creatively evolving.A master of masters.And this is from the tapes I heard of the show.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 23:13:14 CEST 2016 from (108.30.208.242)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Coke vs. Opiates

Both are physically addictive,albeit neurologically each impacts and "hooks" the brain uniquely.(I'm an addiction doc and researcher,by the way).There are some new,emerging and better treatments(and rehab is not necessarily the only or even the best)today that never existed when the guys in The Band were sick.Still a tough go,but some nice progress has been made.Sadly,all the public hears about is rehab and the scientifically more efficacious approaches are drowned out.Follow the money.People have options today that never existed and do get better in many ways.I tend not to make moral comparisons between addictions.The large majority of addicts are simply trying to self treat underlying pain and suffering/mental illness-I have compassion for their suffering no matter the addiction.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 22:31:59 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Heroin vs. cocaine

I think a basic difference between the two is that heroin is a depressant, and cocaine is a stimulant. So I guess it depends on what kind of high you're looking for.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 22:18:45 CEST 2016 from (114.75.193.227)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Whether it is heroin or cocaine, none of it is a good look.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 21:57:21 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I thought opiates were physically addictive, while cocaine was psychologically addictive. Is that right?


Entered at Sun Oct 16 21:53:11 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A Change Is Gonna Come

After a great radio programme on the song, we started comparing versions … Sam Cooke, Otis Redding, The Band, Seal, Aaron Neville, Barb Junger. Mrs V dismissed my defence of Otis (it was always a Sophie's Choice for me) and declared there was no competition with Sam Cooke. I put The Band version on, and sadly the comment was "Take that crap off.' I re-listered next to Sam Cooke and Otis, and she's correct.

Basically, if you're not black, don't even attempt it.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 21:46:58 CEST 2016 from (72.82.137.178)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: heroin vs. cocaine

Is heroin exponentially more dangerous than cocaine? Robbie seems to be making the argument that the heroin use of three members of the Band was a huge problem, yet he offers Scorsese cocaine at their first meeting. And their have multiple accounts over the years of Scorsese and Robbie's indulgence in cocaine during post-production of the last waltz when they were roommates.

Clearly, there was no shortage of substance abuse around the Band during the 1970's. However, Robbie's attitude towards these two substances seems hypocritical and self-serving.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 18:57:36 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

This is from a 1987 Rolling Stone interview with Robbie: "Heroin was a problem. I never liked heroin. I never understood the drug. And I was scared to death of it, too. But it was a problem. It was just not something that I ever got into. But it came through, you know. Just like everything else came through. Just the flavor of the month."


Entered at Sun Oct 16 18:44:09 CEST 2016 from (107.77.97.61)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Levon and heroin

Seems there have been mentions over time about Levon this way. One I recall had Levon saying that there had been some backsliding through the years. I believe there can be a difference between a junkie and a user; perhaps LH thought his addiction phase was in his past -


Entered at Sun Oct 16 18:32:16 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Perhaps, Ben, it's time you start taking Levon's version with a grain of salt.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 18:01:39 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As the smoker said, 'Nicotine's really easy to give up. I've done it half a dozen times.'


Entered at Sun Oct 16 17:30:43 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Ben, speaking in general terms, not in specific terms, it's very common for people who are able to beat heroin use to return to it.

Something else to consider though Ben. I could be mistaken,but, didn't RR use heroin at some point? If so, i imagine he'll have to refer to it in Testimony.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 16:05:28 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Human nature

Those of us who have been listening (and reading) Bob Dylan lyrics don't require a Nobel Prize in literature to understand why Bob Dylan is among the most vital and important contributors to the written word in our time. Like Tennessee Williams, Leonard Cohen, and many others, Bob Dylan offers for our edification the images of our times eloquently and with incisive insight. He leaves no one out. Nothing is taboo. All ideas and all people are topical. Unpopular views are present. His own flaws are exposed. He is not afraid. He is not a spokesperson of a generation. He is a spokesperson of human nature.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 15:48:27 CEST 2016 from (72.82.137.178)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey

Subject: heroin

I don't have Levon's book in front of me, but my recollection is that he was pretty upfront about his heroin use and detailed how he detoxed from heroin after the 'Rock of Ages' concerts in 1972. So, why is Robbie now claiming (in the Vanity Fair excerpt) that that there were three junkies in the group in 1976? He didn't say two current and one ex junky. He says three (present tense) junkies in 1976. This to me is not a minor point.

Is anyone aware of any corroborating reports of Levon relapsing in 1976? If not, then I think one should take Robbie's account of events in his forthcoming book with a very large grain of salt.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 13:05:23 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Lots of fascinating points, Ray.

The heroin issue shouldn’t be too much of a surprise … Levon is right up front and honest about it in his book, as you say. Like Ray, there were bits I didn’t care for. But I didn't think it was any secret.

p231 (1st edition): On 1972. John Simon said … I hoped The Band would get back to work playing shows. But it didn’t happen. I spoke to Robbie about this. He said, “I don’t wanna go on the road, because I just had a long talk with Levon, and I really don’t want to get busted with a suitcase full of heroin, And have you seen Richard? I don’t think Richard could go on the road even if he wanted to.’

p233 LEVON: “By that time I had been messing with heroin for a while …”

He then describes going back to Arkansas to clean up.

Cathy Smith was on the 1976 tour. The other four didn’t want her there. She claims Richard said he would refuse to go without her. She was employed as his “nurse.” She supposedly was there to control his substance intake, but on the SNL OD event, a dealer had got to him when she wasn’t around. It rings true in her text. Going right back by her accounts, it looks as if on behaviour in general, there was a sub-set of three, then Robbie and Garth acted independently.

Excellent piece on Bob’s Nobel Prize by Brian Appleyard in The Sunday Times but you have to be a subscriber to access it online.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 10:05:04 CEST 2016 from (114.75.202.64)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

Up coming interview with Robbie.

All these talking heads saying Bob doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize are annoying. If I might borrow an expression from Louis Armstrong, 'If you don't understand Bob, don't mess with him'.

I think I enjoyed The Band's music more when I didn't know all the stuff that had gone on between them. The problem is when you know something, you cannot unknown it.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 09:45:09 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Even in later years, there was never a question.

Kev, no,Julie lives outside Chicago, but remembers you fondly. These women live here. One's a native. One of em & I haven't discussed the GB more than once or twice, & that was about a dozen years ago. The other, probably hasn't been in here at all in 9 years I'm thinking.Round one time Levon played the Beacon....

We got too much else to talk about & alot of common experiences, just ain't thinking about the GB...There's real life.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 08:50:13 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Dylan's unhinged intro of the group is priceless. This will be part of the bigger release, but they're offering this on its own.

RR goes there. Heroin. No more tap dancing.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 07:49:17 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff......I'd like to think that if your hanging out having afternoon drinks with the very much missed Julie that my name comes up.....but alas that might just be my ego getting in the way......anyway, glad to know that you are living life and enjoying yourself........weird about friends and associations they form....Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize has prompted many very close and all sorts of not so close but still good friends to get in touch and share their thoughts......I don't recall getting any similar contacts or messages when the Sex Pistols made the RRHOF.......Hmmmm..


Entered at Sun Oct 16 03:29:44 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Brooklyn

Jeff A; We may take you up on your offer (waiting for the right time).


Entered at Sun Oct 16 01:44:46 CEST 2016 from (66.45.134.19)

Posted by:

ray mizumura-pence

Location: the heartland -- lawrence KS -- AKA flyover country
Web: My link

Subject: Reality -- what a concept!

I'm a firm believer in the idea that the speaker/writer does her/his speaking/writing to present her/himself positively--in general, to one degree or another--that includes me, especially--no, despite what you've just read, I'm not a lawyer...

This isn't meant to be cynical. I do believe that some storytellers and their stories are more reliable than others. But I don't see anyone as 100% reliable or without self-interest.

So that brings me/us to some current controversies that aren't so current.

Peter V's revelations of Cathy Smith's revelations about Richard's performance on SNL 1976--for me, ignorance is/was bliss. I never would have imagined that RM had gone through such hell up to the minute of that event. It's a gorgeous rendition of the song. My inclination is to distrust Cathy Smith as a narrator, but not completely. That only comes from my media-ted knowledge of her, which is connected with her connection with John Belushi.

I am surprised about the "overdose" details. Alcohol was Richard's main problem, wasn't it? Obviously he had serious problems with other substances, too, but the domination of alcohol is what makes RR's description of RM as a possible "junkie" in "Testimony" startle me.

"Knowing" that RM was in such dire straits in 10/76 only makes me more respectful of his ability to get on TV in front of millions and do what he did. Compared to how he sounded on Before the Flood or on some of the 1970s Band bootlegs I've heard, RM seems on the rebound on SNL. I just don't know.

I guess I'd rather not have known about that overdose (this isn't a criticism of Peter for sharing it). Same goes for what Levon revealed in the book he co-wrote with Stephen Davis. I read parts of that and I didn't care for it. I didn't need it--what I did need and still do, are Levon's performances onstage and in movies. His acting in Coal Miner's Daughter, even in The Right Stuff--his singing on Caves of Jericho and throughout Dirt Farmer--and in the Ain't in it for My Health documentary--any one of those means more to me than the Davis book.

If my memory serves, I recall parts of Levon's/Stephen's book that describe Richard as consuming alcohol in quantities that no human being could survive. That's just one aspect of the book that struck me as exaggerated. Ronnie Hawkins could/can tell some tall tales. So could/can Robbie. So could Levon. That's my impression, and it's not meant to be insulting.

Nor was I all that knocked out by the excerpt from "Testimony" in VF, mainly because I felt I heard it/read it all before. Contact from the Underworld of Redboy--his soundtrack compilations for Raging Bull and Casino--Storyville--and yes, his interviews in Last Waltz--these all tell Robbie's story with great completeness, at least for me.

Regarding Dylan--I love how, six decades after he began his career of contributing to changing culture, he still polarizes people! The debate over whether his lyrics are Literature, Poetry, worthy or not of any prizes, much less the Nobel--these are the kinds of debates I love, and that I'm fortunate to be able to participate in with students at the University of Kansas (yes, we have higher learning institutions here! and higher learning goes on within them!! and elsewhere in Kansas, too!). Like Peter, I have a degree in American studies--considered worthless at best by many standards, and if you're talking about generating profits, creating jobs, et al.--it is probably worthless! The humanities AIN'T efficient, and thank goodness for that...

Anyway--let me paraphrase Terry Eagleton, a literary critic/theorist, (or don't let me--I am not trying to be hoity-toity and perhaps I don't have to try!) -- definitions of what is and is not literature are ideological. Texts do ideological work. Even more than that, literature is itself an ideology. And, ideology is like halitosis--it's something someone else has!

So, the contentiousness over whether Dylan, a performer who should not have the prize because he's a "pop star," for example, or who should have it because he's "the voice of a generation" or an "icon," is in so many ways a discussion of class, of taste, of high and low and middlebrow culture...and the fact that Dylan and his work continue to have so much impact on these discussions, in 2016, is perhaps his greatest significance.

Hell, I think he deserved a Nobel for Highway 61 Revisited. And for Blonde on Blonde. And for John Wesley Harding.

But I am not so interested in the "real stories" behind his songs--you know, whether or not Ballad of a Thin Man was a shot at Brian Jones, or whether Frankie Lee and Judas Priest was about Albert Grossman, etc. Even if they were, the artist/producer's intentions are not the whole story. The audience/consumer produces meaning, too. (for that matter, knowing that Peter Fonda "inspired" She Said, She Said doesn't add anything to my enjoyment of the song. It was important to John Lennon, and maybe to Fonda, but the worth and the meaning of the song is bigger than that "original" moment).

P. S. -- "Hungry Heart" by Bruce Springsteen is a prominent example of a hit song that featured an accelerated vocal, which, supposedly, helped make it a hit. At least one of Springsteen's detractors has made a big deal out of it. Another aspect of the song is more interesting to me--it almost was a Ramones song, written for the band by Bruce at Joey R's request, but denied them by Jon Landau, whose brilliant review of Cahoots is literature (!). Perhaps it would've been the smash the Ramones never got, perhaps not. I wonder if Springsteen told the Ramones about that BEFORE he revealed the background in his notes to his Greatest Hits album? If they found out about it through the notes, I could see how they wouldn't have been happy...still, though, I doubt if it would have made that much of a difference for their career. Now that they are all deceased, it's clear that their long term impact is far greater than their commercial success 1976-1996.

Now that I think about it, it is more than plausible that the "Caravan" performance in TLW was revved up post-production. And it works, to say the least. So I have no problem with that.

To me, the filmmakers made the right technical and aesthetic choices throughout TLW. As for moral/economic/ethical choices, I have no opinions because I don't know enough to have one.


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Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Gradually.

Jerry, I'd love to show you & Lucretia some of Brooklyn. While i can't say I've hit it off with all the GB people I've met, some have become permanent friends. Last Sunday two of the gals that graduated from here, haven't posted or looked in here in about a decade, joined me & a roomful at a Felix Cabrera Band matinee show and we had a ball. We get together several times a year and stay in touch in between. Some good people graduate from here, other people flunk out or transfer out. I guess those of us hanging in are either still left back, or going for our masters.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 20:56:33 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Delicious

Sounds delicious. I'm looking forward to Brooklyn next time around. It will happen! Too long away from NYC.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 20:55:53 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

He had me with the last verse to 'Tambourine Man'

Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind

Down the foggy ruins of time

Far past the frozen leaves

The haunted frightened trees

Out to the windy bench

Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow

Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky

With one hand waving free

Silhouetted by the sea

Circled by the circus sands

With all memory and fate

Driven deep beneath the waves

Let me forget about today until tomorrow


Entered at Sat Oct 15 20:49:42 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Yup J.T., you had indicated so in Latin. I was reading in Hebrew, pre my first three cups of cawfee. On my way to the old neighborhood hang at the bakery in a minute. A huge & delicious black cawfee, & a killer, to die for semolina Italian roll with butter, $2.45 to 2.75, depending who's hitting the cash register key.Less than two miles from home. great bakery, old school Italian, cakes & pastries are outasite, & the breads are so damn good you'd think you were in Italy. Wide assortment too,prosciutto, olive breads even. But so good you'd think you died & went to heaven. And spinach & mozz pizza pies, or regular pizza. $2.50, & they fill you up. It's been around about 20 years, in the location of an old bar, named Feeley's Tavern, then Feeley's Rose & Crown. Neighborhood tavern that had amazing prime rib &French food. I grew up 6 short blocks away, just over a 1/4 mile.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 20:12:12 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Original writing is real!

Jeff A: Glad you disagree. Reassuring to me. You are indeed correct, right.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 18:39:14 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: The story behind "Me & Bobby McGee."


Entered at Sat Oct 15 17:54:05 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Jerry, whilst you might be being happily & enthusiastically impulsive of thought & with words, I disagree. Not all poetry or writing is plagiary, not everyone is a plagiarist. Yet there certainly are many people incapable of original thought or original writing.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 17:52:00 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Damn

Good on 'im!


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Sir Rod Stewart

Maggie May: What do you think of (Sir) Rod Stewart now? Good on 'I'm!


Entered at Sat Oct 15 17:29:52 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: A bright light

But what a sponge! Here is a 'reductio ad absurdum'. If words are the source of all poetry, then everyone is a plagiarist. Indeed, there is nothing new under the sun. So a creative wordsmith takes what she/he has heard and reorganizes those words in a form that evokes images. Dylan does this in one way. Cohen does it a different way. Mitchell did it another way. They are individually remarkable and though there is overlap, the manner in which they then apply these words to music make them unique in each writer's own way. I don't need a Nobel prize to know that. The benefit is that a very bright light shines once again on Robert. He has more than earned that light.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 16:45:21 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Passenger/Michael David Rosenberg

Passenger (Michael David Rosenberg) from Brighton UK (singer/songwriter) is on tour and will be playing the UK in the next month or two at a variety of venues. From what I've already heard, this might be something you might be interested in.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 16:08:49 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Passenger

When John D recommends, I suggest we listen. Passenger is new to me. Mr. Rosenberg has one of 'those' voices that haunts and sticks. The writing is very good and the songs continue a fine tradition of the singer-songwriter.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 14:12:27 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Yonge and Eglinton

Kevin J: Yonge and Eglinton is a hub of activity and is growing by leaps and bounds as we speak. It has become an area of urban growth. This has happened in the past 10 years. I'm sorry I missed 54/40 at that time. As for Mel Lastman, he was a visionary and a man ahead of his time. His contributions to the development of Toronto were extraordinary, especially in the north of highway 401 area of Yonge St.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 12:14:26 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: For what it's worth...

I heard this (or maybe I read it) the other day:

Amateurs borrow, professionals steal, Bob Dylan is a sponge.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 11:18:23 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

When Michael Gray’s first edition of Song and Dance Man came out in 1973, I read it with great pleasure. Friends grumbled that it was over-intellectualizing Dylan, but Michael Gray had already set out the justifications a Literary prize committee might need : elevation of the vernacular, references to Biblical sources, poems, old songs; multiple meanings … I was intrigued by linking Joan Baez with the Johannine prophecies (the Book of Revelation) in Visions of Johanna. When I saw him talk, Michael Gray also gave a segment on why the 1966 Live solo acoustic Mr Tambourine Man was his ultimate track, pointing to the harmonica solo in particular, so not just words. The Award vindicates Michael Gray’s approach back in 1973, in regarding and criticizing from a serious literary point of view. I have got every new edition for the updates.

Bob Dylan is one of those annoying people who not only seem to have read everything, but heard a vast range of music and remembered all of it in detail. Poetry too. I know a couple of people like that. You wonder how on Earth they found the time, let alone had the memory to bring it back to mind.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 08:28:41 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bob Dylan Saves Lives 1983 yeah - JT.....54/40

"Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy / The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers / In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed / Michelangelo indeed could’ve carved out your features." - Bob Dylan, "Jokerman"......the hippies and the plain old old timers don't even seem to know about his greatness in the 80's or the 00's.

Happiness: The start of this NHL season knowing we are watching athletic genius with the likes of Connor Mcdavidid and Carey Price.....and potential greats like Austin Mathews, Patrick Laine and Mitch Marner. ( JT: 54/40 at the corner of Yonge & Eglinton late 90's during one of Mel Lastmann's truly inspired concepts - the Yonge Street Festival - was one of my favourite Toronto memories ! )

Sadness: Going to The Band Facebook page and seeing the majority of posters with such hatred for Robbie Robertson. It is so irrational and so similar to the type of vile nonsense associated with the Donald Trump crowd. All because of lies written by Stephen Davis 25 years ago. So sad.......by the way, it is nice to know that the evangelical crowd in the USA is all in on rape, assisinatiion, racism, not paying taxes and infidelity as long as their guy is all for defaming the Clintons and blowing up some "foreigners" of one colour or another?


Entered at Sat Oct 15 07:41:09 CEST 2016 from (210.86.96.15)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Bob & Nobel prize

Absolutely deserved. When I heard the news I though about One Too Many Mornings. I love the lyrics to that song especially "you are right from your side and I am right from mine"


Entered at Sat Oct 15 05:33:15 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Haso, yes, we agree, that original Skynyrd with King & Burns was the one..
By the way, being that you're a blues lover, & on the New England coast, you're probably familiar with Lonnie Gasperini, a Hammond endorsed organist, native to & out of Rhode Island.Plays up & down the coast alot.... Lonnie is phenomenal, & still a road warrior, bounces here , there, & everywhere.... Has lived here in NYC at times, shared an apartment & shows too, with Dr. Lonnie Smith...Has toured with Percy Sledge, George benson, long list..... If you haven't yet, if you can ever see him, you want to when you can. & if Danny Draher is on guitar, watch out. Starting in his teens he was in Otis Rush & Buddy Guy bands...... 50 years ago. Many tours with Dr John, Toussaint, Pickett, Etta James... they do a trio, with various great drummers....


Entered at Sat Oct 15 05:30:26 CEST 2016 from (24.114.72.42)

Posted by:

Bill M

haso: I had no idea of that aspect of Pumpsie Green. All I knew of him was a circa 1960 baseball card that I had for 50 years - and that he had one of the greatest names in all of baseball as far as I'm concerned. I even mentioned that here a decade ago when someone (Joan?) brought up the topic of sports nicknames.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 04:56:25 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: sox & dylan

Dunc, PV and JQ: Thanks for your comments (I haven't even got through Thursdays early posts, so haven't got the gb chatter yet on the Nobel).

JQ: you're quite right. The Sox were the last Major League team to integrate w/ Pumpsie Green, c.1959. And that after passing on a young Willie Mays, among others. Their long-time southern gentleman owner, Tom Yawkey is known (now) to have been such a racist that there have been rumblings about the city of Boston needing to change the name of the street outside Fenway to something other than Yawkey Way. The spring training stuff, as I recall came to light in the early 2000's but had been the accepted wisdom at least up through the 70's, perhaps well into the 80's or 90's. It was especially confirmed by the excellent 1st base and baserunning coach they had a few years back, Tommie Harper. Of course, as delightful a small city as Boston is, it's only in the last little while that it is seen as less racist (northern city, irregardless) by folks of color.

I'll have to revisit that SNL video that's part of the "A Musical History" box set. I will say, what w/ all the conversation about Dylan and his interpreters in the wide media, even w/ Hendrix's watchtower, seems to me nobody holds a candle to our guys... especially Richard's "Released" on MFBP and his 2nd verse at TLW and 3rd verse harmony. What a goddamn singer, his demons notwithstanding. Always a shame that Marty's cameras didn't feature him more, but that gets us back old topics of LH v RR & the like, 'nuf said on that, at least until we've all digested "Testimony".


Entered at Fri Oct 14 23:28:08 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: NYTIMES EDITORIAL BOARD Piece on Dylan


Entered at Fri Oct 14 23:25:56 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: NY TIMES Article on Dylan


Entered at Fri Oct 14 22:37:45 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Byrds version, of course first.. It was all over the radio.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:42:28 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

To me, it's never been possible to not consider Dylan a poetry. As a 6 tear old kid, Tambourine Man struck me as poetry.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:40:13 CEST 2016 from (24.108.163.242)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bringing It All Back Home

PSB: I'm very comfortable adding "Bringing" to that short list. It certainly was "Ignition, 10, 9, 8...)


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:28:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I'm a poet & I don't know it

We got into serious discussion on this last night. Dylan is clearly a literary giant, possibly THE literary giant of he last fifty years. Literature is "words." Later Shakespeare plays set some to music too, though we have no idea who composed the music. In recent years Jon Boden and Laura Marling are among those who have set him to music at the Royal Shakespeare Company. If you have iTunes, try "Fear No More The Heat Of The Sun" sung by James Cooney from Cymbeline this year. How many Dylan lines resonate in your head? A lot more than Ezra Pound or T.S. Eliot, I'll bet.

A point was made by a friend that Leonard Cohen might have caused less controversy as he as a published poet before he was a songwriter. Still, next time.

Dylan is the master of many forms … I'd call Talking World War III Blues a rap. I think I'd give it to him on nearly ANY album up to Street Legal, and several after. But Bringing It All Back Home / Highway 61 / Blonde on Blonde … all masterpieces of "words."

As Simone Felice said at last night's gig, with guitar in hand, "Without Mr Zimmerman, none of us would be here."


Entered at Fri Oct 14 18:49:07 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Why Bob Dylan’s Songs Are Literature
BY CRAIG MORGAN TEICHER
October 14, 2016

"Is Bob Dylan a poet? No, I don’t think so. But is his work literature? Yes, absolutely, and literature is what the Nobel Prize is for. His body of work adds up to some of the central literature of our time. And that must include the music that accompanied his lyrics, since lyrics by themselves are not poetry."

"Dylan’s lyrics use more poetic techniques than practically anyone’s (Paul Simon and Joni Mitchell are his only peers in the American songwriting canon), but they are not poems, because, without the music to back them up, they don’t have that depth of reference and history that qualifies them as literature. But if Dylan’s lyrics aren’t quite poems, they’re pretty damn close.

"Take the first verse of “Desolation Row,” a song that is really a catalog of literary allusions:

Cinderella, she seems so easy.
“It takes one to know one,” she smiles
And puts her hands in her back pockets
Bette Davis style
And in comes Romeo, he’s moaning
“You Belong to Me I Believe
And someone says, “You’re in the wrong place my friend
You better leave"
And the only sound that’s left
After the ambulances go
Is Cinderella sweeping up
On Desolation Road

"But Dylan’s got more than allusions and a sense of how words register. In his late masterpiece “Not Dark Yet,” a song about facing mortality, Dylan writes, “[I] Feel like my soul has turned into steel / I’ve still got the scars that the sun didn’t heal.” A steel soul is a powerful metaphor for the deadness that comes with age and loss. And if we want to get more technical about it, “steel” here is an objective correlative, T.S. Eliot’s fancy term for an object that signifies an emotion. The cold, unreflecting, inflexible metal, if you conjure it in your mind, makes you feel lonely and tired. That’s the stuff of poetry."


Entered at Fri Oct 14 18:16:18 CEST 2016 from (100.34.253.103)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Focusing

JT, I'd say focus on Bringing It All Back Home, that's where the poetry is.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 17:47:04 CEST 2016 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Simone Felice

Thanks for the review, Peter. Reminds me I still need the live album from last year!


Entered at Fri Oct 14 17:33:08 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Fred! Always good to see you here. I dig your noncombative persona here. I need to learn from you. Btw, have you brought the family back to Burrrrlington?

Are rock stars doomed to die young?
A doctor examines the data

By Greg Hall, Case Western Reserve University
June 9, 2016


Entered at Fri Oct 14 16:54:04 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Baseball finals

Chicago vs LA: Chicago seems likely to take this final

Toronto vs. Cleveland: not sure. Toronto has a good chance here. Starting pitching has been stellar this year. Middle relief has been reliable for the most part. Closer (Osuna) has been remarkable. If the hitters can manufacture a few runs, we will win assuming we get the 1-2 home runs a game that Toronto often delivers from the top 5 in the lineup. Fielding (defence) is superb. Our manager is cool and as good a 'chess' player as any of them (even Francona),knowing when to make 'the right moves'.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 16:39:17 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Hallelujah

The sweetness, wonder and innocent youth.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 11:37:01 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Simone Felice - last night

Review of his first gig on the 2016 UK and Ireland tour. Solo with guitar this time. Stunning as usual, plus new songs. See link.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 09:01:39 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Jim Pepper.

Witchi Tai To


Entered at Fri Oct 14 08:38:51 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Go Carp! *

Angelina: correct! So to you I say "bravissima" : )

Jays have to get past Cleveland first. No small feat. Then again I thought Boston would be riding the Big Papi emotional farewell wave into the World Series. So much for that.

I've noticed over the years, in interviews here or there, that Bob Dylan has made comments about writing music akin to mathematical equations (or something to that effect). Maybe that Nobel should have been given to him for contributions made in Math. ; )

* Carp as in Horshima Carp the team I want to see win the Japan Series this season.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 07:47:13 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Toronto's Paul James and Bob Dylan


Entered at Fri Oct 14 07:23:05 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Brava (right Fred?) Michelle Obama!!!!!

Yes I know that the Chi Cubs would have to beat the LA Dodgers first. I'm just looking ahead. ;-D

Bear witness, I'm wailing like the wind
Come bear witness, the half-breed rides again
In these hands, I've held the broken dream
In my soul, I'm howling at the moon

Testimony, testimony
Declare yourself, I will testify
Testimony, testimony
Speak the truth, I will testify


Entered at Fri Oct 14 07:02:43 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"For the first time, Robertson tells his side of the story regarding his relationship with fellow Band member Levon Helm. In their early days, the two were close friends, but in late 1969, on the way home from a show, Robertson recalls that Helm lied to him about his drug use, and Robertson recalls: “Things changed in that moment. A distance grew between Levon and me that I don’t know if we were ever able to mend.”

So the LA Dodgers just won. Should the Toronto Blue Jays be worried at all?


Entered at Fri Oct 14 06:27:12 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

RR evidently addresses "the issue".


Entered at Fri Oct 14 00:12:05 CEST 2016 from (71.184.198.147)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Haven't posted to this page in years. I still come by for news etc. Just got my ticket to see Robbie discuss his book in Cambridge MA on Nov 17th.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 00:08:38 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Passenger with Ed Sheeran.....Heart on Fire

This video has had over 13.6 million views.....there is a reason why.....watch it.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 00:03:22 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Only A Pawn In Their Game

Robert's lyrics are as apt today as they were in 63.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 23:55:50 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.17)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Bob D.
You haven't lost a step.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 23:13:53 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: I Don't Believe You, Bob and Our Boys

Here's a great piece of music. I love 'I Don't Believe You'. This Last Waltz version is great.

Great lyrics -rejection has never been portrayed better and our boys are great. Robbie is brilliant.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 22:47:27 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bob

I'm so pleased that Bob received the Nobel prize. Well deserved. Long before time.

This is true. Before hearing the news, I had just played Dylan twice and Planet Waves twice.

Great post, Ian.

Trainspotting is a great book and film, but Irvine Welsh is a pain in the arse - a talking head. He gets wheeled out to give us his opinions on anything and everything up here, while trying to look tough. Tough as candy floss.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 22:43:20 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Passenger - Let Her Go

John, does that fellow not sound like Cat Stevens to you?


Entered at Thu Oct 13 22:21:40 CEST 2016 from (69.42.179.74)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Couples Jammin'

Patti Smith and Fred "Sonic" Smith
Canadians Avril Lavigne and Nickelback singer-guitarist and she divorced first partner punk rocker Derek Wimbley


Entered at Thu Oct 13 22:01:38 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Passenger

If you have a moment check out the artist Passenger aka Michael David Rosenberg. New album is called "Young As The Morning, Old As The Sea." He is from Brighton, England; just down the road from where my Dad was born. Can't get enough of this album. Also check him out on Youtube; where he and his band do a cover of Losing My Religion. Unique voice.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 21:56:21 CEST 2016 from (69.42.179.74)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Ok! So punk Haiku is 5 4 4 instead of 5 7 5.

Couples Jammin'

Joan Baez and Bob Dylan


Entered at Thu Oct 13 21:29:41 CEST 2016 from (24.114.101.14)

Posted by:

Bob D

JT: thanks for your support. And, yes, the whole Hawks / electric thing did slow things down Nobel-wise.

NwC: on the plus side, that scene gave me my best-ever punk Haiku:

I don't believe you

You're a liar

Play fucking loud


Entered at Thu Oct 13 19:57:08 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Having a strong opinion about Richard's demons without having known him can be unfortunate.

Peter, SNL was more than a month after the group decided to shut down so the problems leading up to that performance probably would have been more of a confirmation than a last straw.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 18:36:42 CEST 2016 from (86.25.242.77)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Another gainsayer

Irvine Welsh ("Trainspotting") has apparently said that giving a literature award to Dylan is inappropriate - only much more colourfully than my summary of his words

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-irvine-welsh_uk_57ff8ddbe4b0e982146c1c2d

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/13/the-latest-irvine-welsh-thinks-its-not-all-right/


Entered at Thu Oct 13 18:07:27 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Scalapina?????

It's "ROCKIN CHAIR"........ROCKIN........not Rocking. gawd damn it.

Well that's really nice looking fish but hell I don't speak Swedish I didn't understand a damn word.......

Jerry I agree whole heartedly with your sentiments.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 17:49:10 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Web: My link

Subject: Rocking Chair - about smoking in Nordic Countries?

The link about smoking (if I got it right?) - only because you asked. Others: SCROLL!


Entered at Thu Oct 13 17:46:37 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 1965-66

Take a step back and forget about the award. Forget about a half century of poetic composition. Focus on Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde. For me, this is enough when poetic excellence is considered. The words alone and the images they evoke. Is it not awesome? (in the true sense of that word).


Entered at Thu Oct 13 17:29:09 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bill M?

Bill M........ ancient Japanese????? Bill you sure must have changed since the last time I saw you.......or what in hell could that crazy old character be smoking up in Sweden??


Entered at Thu Oct 13 17:03:35 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NWC

Subject: ,,ahhh

"invented" instead of "invited"


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:53:32 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: The Prize to lead singer of The Band

As a literature scientist living in Sweden I have an insight to the work of Nobel Prize Committee. This is what really happened.

In the end there where two candidates left, Mr. Dylan and The Band Guestbook. - First they called pseudonyme "RAGTIME". He was in bad temper and said: "Ha-ha-ha-ha...Take that Minnesota hillbilly who wrote 'Lay Lady Lay'.... ha-ha-ha.

They didn't found it poetical enough and called BILL M, the ancient Japanese haiku master of the gb. "At least he is breathing normally", whispered the secretary. After four minutes of deep silence Bill M said like a samuraj in a rainy motion picture of Akira Kurosawa:

"Lay,

Lady Lay

In

My

Big brass

Bed."

The secretary made this note which was found after twelve years: "A rare Minnesota type haiku invited by Mr. Dylan motivates the Prize."

We have to wait to next year...


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:50:07 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Nobelist Dylan controversy

Ian W: Well said. Controversy when Bob Dylan is considered is the name of the game. If you don't walk the path of life right down the middle of that path; if you irritate at times; if you get under people's skin; if you seem churlish. So be it. He was acknowledged and people can think what they want.

When Dylan performed at Newport and was booed, someone I know personally who was there said it had nothing to do with the sound or anything else like that. It was because the people near him and around him didn't like what he was doing with the loud electric sound that disrupted their view of 'folk troubadour Dylan". It was disturbing to them, he told me, and they reacted. I said I heard that the sound was poor. He said that was not so from where he was in that audience. I know there have been many opinions on that event, but this is what this person related to me recently.

IMO, it was that change to electric that slowed Dylan's ascent to Nobel, but even the Luddites sometimes come around in time or maybe the times, they are... well, you know.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:15:38 CEST 2016 from (86.25.242.77)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: The Nobel Prize

As Peter says, there has already been some carping about this award and it seems to revolve around the notion that Dylan's works are not worthy of being considered literature. I would have thought literature had a pretty wide definition and Alfred Nobel seems to have held much the same point of view.

Over the years, the Nobel committee has given the literature award to some writers with whom I was not familiar and with whose works I am still unfamiliar. For once, this is someone whose works I not only know but know well. I suspect the same is true for many other people across the world. For this reason alone, this award should be welcomed.

Dylan writes principally for the stage rather than the page. Should this count against him? Of course not! Previous Nobel prizewinners Harold Pinter and the recently deceased Dario Fo also wrote principally for the stage.

Moreover, Dylan's works have surely been seen, heard and/or read more widely than almost any other Nobel prizewinner in recent times. Is this not be lauded?

Maybe it is Dylan's place in popular culture that is held against by those who are now carping. Shakespeare wrote his plays not just to be performed but also to be popular. Were he writing plays today, would this invalidate his being considered for this prize? Let alone winning it one year?


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:04:14 CEST 2016 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Bob wins the Nobel Prize

Quite a festive mood here in NYC with Bob's big news. A local holiday has been declared. Traffic is shut down as everyone is out in the streets, all swaying and singing along to It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding. (Which isn't easy.)


Entered at Thu Oct 13 15:50:21 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mirror

It is reassuring to me to know that that 15 year old kid who went out to buy the 'Times' album for about $4 in the post-Kennedy 60s heard something on the radio that echoed what was in his brainwaves. And the echoes were created in a way that had been crafted only by the poets who came before. Bob Dylan deserves this because as a wordsmith, he resonated with the times and held a mirror up to society and forced and enticed all to see the reflection and to try to deal with it.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 15:50:06 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I Don't Belong To Anyone...For anyone who missed it the first time.

The Weber Brothers featuring Ryan Weber and....their Dad at beginning of video.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 15:41:51 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Weber Brothers
Risk It All......Featuring Sam Weber.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 15:30:37 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Music Sisters
Canadian Tegan and Sara

Couples Jammin'

Delaney and Bonnie
Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart of Eurythmics

Last weekend a few of us checked out the Weber Brothers. We met someone who said he played with The Hawks. I replied, "Hasn't everyone?" lol Anyway, the boyzzzz sounded like they were taking their music to a harder sound. I can see why Robbie never signed them when he worked at Dreamworks because you have to have original material with great writing. The two videos....."I Don't Belong To Anyone" and "Risk It All".......Yesssss! Oh well.....guess I'm getting old now as my big birthday is coming up in a couple of months so what do I know anyway?

Hasooooo..... :-D

Congrats to Pat's Cubbies!
Go Toronto Blue Jays!!!!!!


Entered at Thu Oct 13 14:13:23 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bob Dylan and T.S. Eliot fighting in the captain's tower

It should have happened years ago, instead of some obscure poet for political reasons. Looking at the Guardian website, there's already some carping. Looking at previous American winners, (you shouldn't rank these things, but I love a list) I'd put Bob right at the top of the list along with Faulkner and Hemingway. T.S. Eliot and John Steinbeck next, then Eugene O'Neill. Sinclair Lewis and Pearl Buck are kind of lucky to be on the list, though I once applied to do a research degree that would have included Sinclair Lewis. Fortunately, I got accepted for a different one. And John Steinbeck turned me onto reading more than anyone else ever did in my teens. I read everything, even Cup of Gold and Short Reign of Pippin IV. I've never read any Toni Morrison.

Sorry about dribbling on … I'm really excited about Bob getting what he deserves.

Next year … Leonard Cohen!


Entered at Thu Oct 13 13:49:34 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Nobel Prize for Bob

At last!


Entered at Thu Oct 13 13:30:49 CEST 2016 from (83.68.10.60)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Web: My link

Nobel Prize for The Bob.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 13:20:41 CEST 2016 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: BOSOX

Haso - I saw your note on the Red Sox and Winter Haven. Weren't the Sox notorious for not being integrated, with just Pumpsie Green solo for years? I also recall how Teddy Kennedy was so gobsmacked by the racism displayed up there when bussing was intro'd. So maybe it was the other way round with Boston values on display in Winter Haven?


Entered at Thu Oct 13 12:02:21 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Ironically, the SNL “Georgia On My Mind” might have been the final straw… we’ll see when Robbie’s book comes out. Richard had overdosed, and nearly died according to Cathy Smith’s book. By the time they taped the performance (30 October 1976), he had been vomiting for 48 hours.

CATHY SMITH:

“Don’t worry,” Richard croaked, “I can do it.” The man who had been called the greatest white blues singer of the decade sounded like a old dying wino. … The spotlight came on him. His face was deathly white and his hands were trembling so badly that when he put them to the mic his bones seemed to be vibrating. Garth Hudson played organ. Richard didn’t have to touch his piano. He simply sat on the piano stool and began to sing. Richard’s sweet bluesy voice took control of the studio, sometimes soaring, sometimes threatening to falter, but always perfectly in control. When he finished there was a frozen moment of silence – then everyone started to clap and whistle. ENDQUOTE

Unfortunately, the SNL video comes up as blocked. However, give Van a chance (LINKED)


Entered at Thu Oct 13 11:56:30 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well described, Dunc. I failed to mention that you would have to assign half a day to phone the insurance company, as undoubtedly they would call you back when they felt like it, and never answer your direct call.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 11:48:37 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Finance Rant

Peter and Doug are talking about insurance. Peter has a rant about phoning related to service on his website. I don't know if it's the same in Australia, NZ, USA, Canada and Norway, but this pisses me off.

I have had a monthly standing order with my bank to pay my electricity company for at least 40 years. I got a letter from the electricity company saying my bill for September had not been paid and I had so many days to pay it. So I phoned them up...what a joke - if ...Press 1, if... Press 2, and so on. Then, we are busy - Press 1 if you would like a call back. I did... and when I did I was told that they were busy...so I had to wait in line. Anyway I got through, a nice girl probably with a degree in zooology on minimum wage, looked up my records and confirmed it had not been paid, but told me I had a great track record for paying. I thought why not send me a nice letter.

So I phoned the bank...long sigh... Press 1, Press 2, Press 3. Lines are busy would you like a call back... Press 1. So I agreed. I had to wait in a queue when they phoned me back, again. Finally, I made contact and they checked and yes it had not been paid - probably a problem with software. I said fine, please pay it. No they couldn't, I would have to do that myself, using my debit card.

Who picks the fucking background music? By this time I must have heard all of Mantovani's greatest hits.

Anyway I phoned the electricity company - Press 1, Press 2, Press 3 - then paid the bill without any human contact. I should point out that both girls used that Americanism 'Have a Nice Day.' Aye, great.

I should point out my local bank has closed.

So Peter and Doug, I can't bear dealing with insurance. Also I don't like the way the guy downtown selling funeral cover is smiling at me as I go by.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 11:18:49 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Performance

Thanks Jeff, Rockin Chair, Kevin, PSB, Doug, Lisa, Bill M.Haso et al. I have enjoyed, maybe that's the wrong word, reading the guestbook recently.

I think Rockin Chair made a good point re Richard and singing Georgia. A few years back there was a discusson on this in the GB and the consensus seemed to be that Ray Charles sang the definitive version. Not for me. I'm with Rockin Chair - I'd go with Richard every time. His singing was one of the very first things that attracted me to the Band.

The worry of performance, nerves, the threat of stage fright is part of the tour. I've noticed over the years that depression, drink, drugs has been an occupational hazard for British actors of my generation, comedians, musicians etc. Dealing with performing in front of an audience night after night must be a real worry.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 10:48:28 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bob Weir in Uncut (November 2016 issue).

“By the time Jerry (Garcia) checked out we had already come to the conclusion that we were going to have to knock off (stop touring) for a while. Jerry wanted to clean up, and staying on the road wasn’t affording him the opportunity. “

Same point as Robbie.

Doug, the relevance was the risk in various professions, especially music. E-mail me and I’ll explain further (fiction then the at sign then viney then dot then uk dot com).

This is happening with insurance. We just got a letter from our year round travel insurance, putting the small print into big print … i.e. drawing attention to it. It’s paid via our credit card, and they changed insurers. Now to maintain your cover for foreign travel, you must phone and advise the insurer of all medical visits in the last two years, and any forthcoming tests or appointments. To me that’s a licence to print money, or a blank cheque. You phone the day before you go. You say I had my blood pressure checked last week, slightly high, and they can say “that’ll be an extra £50.” You can’t just switch, because you’ve already paid for the year. It also advantages people who never have medical check ups over those who have regular check ups.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 06:57:27 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Goodnight folks. It's been interesting & good interaction the last couple days. Time for me to take more of a break again though. I'll be in and out occasionally, with less time to spend. Projects need watering. The problem is so much work gets done on the computer today, and the temptation to goof off is close by. You don't need opiates or alcohol today, the internet is right there.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 06:51:20 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Seriously now.

Pete, Kevin, Lisa, I'm not certain, but it appears that Norm has expressed that my recent posts that involved Richard were all wrong. I'm not certain, because the things he referred to as written, were not things that i actually wrote. Norm, you wrote: "To make the reality comments, that people from all walks of life take their lives is a redundant statement" What i wrote was:"It's not necessarily accurate or fair to assign any of the blame for Richard's suicide to his life as a musician. His personal condition & eventual fate could have been the same in any other walk of life.

. Richard may have met the same or a similar fate if he had been an accountant,factory worker, or school teacher . Music is what fed his soul, what he loved, and possibly what kept him alive for the time he was. "

Could you have been referring to my post? I have to guess you were, cause I was the only one writing about the subject . Pete, Kev, Lisa, everyone, I don't know how my post can be a "redundant statement. Of course and pretty silly" as Norm seems to have written it is , when i didn't write what he seems to have claimed i did.

But forgive me for my foolish posts earlier. Norm has expressed that " that isn't what we are dealing with here so that has no place in the discussion" . Of course he's gotta be right.

JH, would you remove my foolish posts? On second thought, please leave them , so other posters have an example of how to not write a post.

********************************************************************************************************

Now, it's time to get serious. Norm , i ain't even buying that you meant what you wrote. I'm thinking you had to go to a lot of trouble to write something so incoherent to try to pull my string . Lisa, don't judge Norm by that post. He couldn't have meant it cause it's just too incoherent to be a serious post.....


Entered at Thu Oct 13 06:17:33 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: Richard

To Norm's point: I've sometimes wondered about the location of Richard's suicide. It was "on the road". The descriptions always gave the impression it was a humdrum, or worse, motel; after a show at a totally un-noteworthy bar or club; Winter Haven,FL, if memory serves. A far cry from Watkins Glen. That's not to say addiction or return to addictive behavior had no part in it. As you say, Norm... we don't have any way of knowing.

Not to besmirch the good people of Winter Haven, but its only other claim to fame I recall at this moment was the large number of years that Boston Red Sox players of color were not welcome at the Elks Club when their anglo teammates were during Spring Training.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 05:55:02 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: Southern Rock/ J. Montgomery

Jeff A & Peter: you're right on about James Mont... saw him probably about 10 or 12 years ago in a TINY club in our region, probably max of 60 people to fill it. (Also saw young John Hammond there as well, a more satisfactory experience, such that my spouse wanted a cd of his. She'd never have listened to the blues if she hadn't gotten tangled up w/ moi). The southern thing on Montgomery might also come out of Gregg Allman saying they socialized some back in the 70's in his autobiography. (As much as I like Gregg as a musician, I've NO doubt that "Testimony" will be a more in-depth read.)

I'm also glad that you explained the lack of British affinity for Southern Rock, Peter. A few years ago, I had asked you about your impression of their drummers in a discussion of Levon as a time-keeper. Now I understand why your answer implied that you weren't familiar w/ Butch & Jaimoe, or perhaps didn't even know who they were. At our advanced ages, you might enjoy a listen to some of "Live at Fillmore East". Jeff, your analysis of Skynyd is interesting too. I definitely preferred when Ed King was there, as well. (Aside: a buddy and I were on our way to buy tickets for Skynyrd in St. Louis, pre-www. ordering, when the DJ read off about the plane crash; bummer.) That said, I always thought their double live album quite captured their spirit... much like Little Feat's "Waiting for Columbus". One of the facets of the Band that I always appreciated was how good they could be both live and "in studio". Quotations, as one could hardly mean a traditional studio at BP or Sammy's pool house.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 04:55:21 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Here in the real world

To make the reality comments, that people from all walks of life take their lives is a redundant statement. Of course and pretty silly, we see it every day! we all realise that. It goes on every day, it's not something new.

However, that isn't what we are dealing with here so that has no place in the discussion. Kevin's statement is to the point. The point being as in Robbie's words, having three drug addicts in the Band, (or words to that effect).

Any one who has spent a lot of time around, or in the business with people who can't leave the drugs or booze alone knows this. I know I have put up with it for years, (and make no mistake) you put up with it when you REALLY! care about some one and try to keep them going on.

When you pay attention, for example, I thought I had heard the best when I heard Ray Charles sing "Georgia on my Mind". Then I remember hearing the Spencer Davis Group, a great job of that song. Then, when I heard Richard Manuel sing that song. (particularly that Saturday Night Live show so long ago, with the pumpkin on the piano that Thanks Giving). I don't want to hear any one sing that song after that but Richard.

So there were times when he was in a physical and emotional condition to be the absolute best in the world at his profession with his talent. God knows what his demons were.

I personally think that the original Band was as good as it would ever get in Richard's life, (that is not to put down the talent of the reformed band). It just wasn't the BAND! and it never would be. What was there left for him in his mind? That is just my observation.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 03:05:06 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Kevin, i absolutely agree that road life is not normal, & is difficult. For a musician, the obvious upside to it is performing & making a living... the artists get off on performing, & like anyone, need to pay bills.... It is work, it is a profession, there is a lot that goes into it, it needs to be respected as work, treated as a profession, yet things really got to be relaxed too. But certainly, road life of any kind is no picnic. It actually makes strength, discipline, & looseness, all the more important as personality requirements.

The moving around daily part, you have to feel like you were in a blender. Time between is needed, the older you get, the more so.... but economics rule.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 00:56:24 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Doug, Peter was referring to premium costs for coverage.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 00:02:26 CEST 2016 from (203.10.111.131)

Posted by:

Doug

Location: Sydney

As an actuary and a fan of The Band, I'm gobsmacked to see the two things linked in Peter's post. I'm not sure what type of insurance cover Peter is referring to, but in the Australian market it would be unusual for any company to reduce pure death cover because of occupation being author. It would be feasible for any disability/sickness cover though. In general, life insurance companies track their claims experience by lots of different factors and will rate according to that data if there is a consistent trend over many years. No one really know 'why' the trend exists, though there are theories. Its just where the data leads you. You will often find that accountants and financial planners paid by commissions from life insurers are in competition to be a client's chief adviser, and as a result there is a temptation for one to denigrate the other.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 21:59:59 CEST 2016 from (184.146.90.70)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff's piece on suicide was very well thought out and heartfelt. No arguments at all with his central thesis....I will only add that for people that have concerns with their own diet, substance abuse and/or bouts with depression.....being out on the road for extended periods and changing hotels every night - absolutely - makes those issues harder to keep under control vs being at home or in one set place for extended periods.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 21:36:50 CEST 2016 from (24.114.101.14)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I'm sure you're right that the "the road' is Robbie's chosen term for what others have called "the rock and roll lifestyle". Neither term is fair to a whole bunch of good people who come through it unscathed, but as shorthand it's not bad. I'm sure Robbie is as aware of the rest of us that most of the famous deaths didn't take place on tour.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 21:29:31 CEST 2016 from (184.146.90.70)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Lighthouse.....Levon Helm

Danny McBride was on CIUT recently and in a great interview talked about the role of producers and how Allen Toussaint had a gift for making those he worked with very comfortable…..Danny had arrived to the session with a broken guitar thanks to Air Canada and Allen just smiled – told him to relax….walked out of the studio to his car and returned with a bottle of rum and a telecaster…handed both to him and all went swimmingly the rest of the way……..for those that don’t know, Danny McBride is a fine guitar player and songwriter…..and brother of the late lead singer of the band Lighthouse – best known for the great ‘One Fine Morning”…..but he is most renowned as a highly acclaimed and collected artist…….do check out his paintings……and if you have $20,000-$50,000 to spare you might even be able to buy one.

TLW-Testimony………I also was completely unaware that it was Levon that welcomed us all to the last waltz concert…..I also liked the bit about Bill Graham, Rick and Robbie up in the rafters before the show looking down at the floor as the dancing and turkey eating was going on…..also the Bob Dylan response to the show as “this isn’t going to be one of those Frank Sinatra retirements…is it?”

Bill M: a friend just told me he was at the Pagliaro show and says it was one of the best nights out he can remember. Played them all - 1/2 English, 1/2 French. Thank you for the heads up....sorry I missed it.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:13:36 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Toussaint would be the one to do the trick. But yes, in general, Montgomery never did anything for me. I remember him getting a big push way back once upon a time, and me not feeling nothing. He grinds it out & makes a living playing bars & restaurants in New England. Gets good players, but in general, there's not a lot happening.



Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:05:54 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Hang On To Love

… but another great track from the same Allen Toussaint produced album.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:02:23 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

They'll be the ones - I found a vinyl album, produced by Allen Toussaint, recorded in New Orleans. I'd never heard of them before. I just assumed from there. Actually, I listened to a few of their other songs on YouTube and they're a bit generic, but Allen Toussaint waved a magic wand.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:08:27 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: South Detroit or South Boston?

Pete, the only James Montgomery Band I'm familiar has operated out of the Boston area for over 40 years. James grew up in Detroit. He was on Capricorn for a while, which might have misled you. Crispin Cioe, from The Uptown Horns, still gigs with him occasionally, every once in a blue moon.James's gigs run throughout New England, & i can't even think of the last time he got near NYC.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 16:28:52 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Trump & Hilary duet

Thee have been a few of these – Charlie Young has some good ones. But I just got sent this one from Dutch TV. Hilariously assembled!


Entered at Wed Oct 12 14:55:39 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Southern Rock

Southern Rock was proportionately much less popular in the UK, Jeff. We had a discussion on the scarcity of secondhand and new Allmans Brothers’ albums here a few years ago. I just picked up my very good UMG budget double CD, Southern Rock Gold, which opens with Sweet Home Alabama and ends with Free Bird and Whipping Post. But honestly, I don’t know Lynyrd Skynyrd much beyond the big two.

The Southern Rock Band I’m very taken with currently is the James Montgomery Band’s album produced by Allen Toussaint., arranged by Wardell Quezergue. Link is to Foot Floppin’.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 13:33:28 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

roistering? I meant listening.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 13:31:43 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Excerpt from Robbie's Book "Good Evening"

Well this is something I don't have to admit; but I found a surprise in the piece I read. Even though I was at The Last Waltz and have watched the movie endless times and listened to first the Album and then the CD's....I never knew it was Levon that said "Good Evening." I suppose it was written down somewhere before many times. For some reason I thought it was either Bill Graham or or Robbie.

It's a small thing; but I'm sure many of you knew that for years. How did I miss it? After reading this and roistering to that brief intro I can hear it; but still. Well now I know. Doh!


Entered at Wed Oct 12 13:13:05 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

And now "speed kills" enters the morbid GB conversation to balance out the opiates.

Skynyrd was a serious band. Killer songwriting & musicianship. I saw em with the original full lineup including Ed King & Bob Burns in fall 74 in NYC, at the Academy Of Music, , & on Valentine's Day at The Capitol Theatre in Passaic, New Jersey, 75. While Steve Gaines was a great guitar player, & Artemus Pyle a fine drummer, I noticed a slight shift in the live performance of some songs afterwards. These things coulda occurred anyway, but I definitely preferred Burns' drums where i noticed a slight difference on Freebird. Same as no one Poco drummer can sound anything like George Grantham om parts of Good Feelin to Know and other Poco songs.

Spending time with Skynyrd's records i think you'd have to fall n love with em Pete. It began for me early on, a girlfriends older brother turned me on to em in 74 after the first record.

"That Smell", the spine tingling ironic, just post crash post post mortem released death song on Street Survivors, of course the initial pressing cover of which featuring the band going up in flames, is apropos to parts of the conversation.

Original drummer Bob Burns left the band due to bi polarism rearing up in his life while they were on the road. Just died in a one car collision in April 2015.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 12:54:04 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Wrong colour hair, Jeff, plus I got rid of my moustache in 1972. We were doing weekly drama sketch shows, and you can put a moustache or beard on to change or show character, but you can't take them off. That's why I started being clean shaven. More, being a music snob, I wouldn't have been listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Yes, as the accountant told me, life assurance companies will always find a way to boost the premium or reduce the sum assured, usually both. Major cities probably score higher on crime, air pollution and road crossing, though by far the most dangerous roads per mile (we were told on our Driver Awareness Course for being caught speeding) are country lanes. But they'll load both.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 12:25:02 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, I bet that life insurance premiums are effected by where you live too. Crossing the street anywhere in NYC's 5 boroughs on a daily basis, hell, being in a subway car full of NYers on a daily basis, is about as dangerous as being professional military.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 12:07:49 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, is that you at 2:35 in ?


Entered at Wed Oct 12 12:03:32 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Wake Up Without Coffee, Just Hit The Link.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 11:51:42 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Location: ON THE RANGE

Subject: HOME

Good morning Pete...Yes to anyone who wants them, & especially to people on the level of The Band members "the presence of temptation on all sides, and people pressing stuff on you." , HOME OR NOT, is/was always there, in one form another, the only separation from opiates or cocaine or anything being a phone call, or a walk & a knock on some one's door, & yes, nothing to do with anything else.

Addiction to booze or alcohol, or the whipping of it, is a matter of personal will power, & depression is a whole nother story. And of course, there are people who deal with depression or forms of it that never develop alcohol or opiate problems. Never have to beat that, but have to beat the depression. Some of those people kill themselves too.



Entered at Wed Oct 12 09:56:48 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Musicians, on the road and sums assured

Jeff is right that the sort of level of depression leading to alcoholism and suicide is not caused by too many long car journeys “on the road” but is intrinsic.

Going back to the “Testimony” extrasct:

ROBBIE: I first met Richard Manuel when we were 17 years old. He had been drinking that night and was somewhere between pure joy and deep sadness.

ROBBIE: At every concert we played, packs of destructive influences showed up like they were in the business of helping you drown.

ROBBIE: But we couldn’t keep going out. On some nights we could hit our stride, but more and more it was becoming a painful chore. The best painkiller is opiates, and heroin had been creeping back under the door. I worried that Garth and I had three junkies in our group, plus our so-called manager.

ROBBIE: I think we could all use a good time-out for health reasons,” Garth said.

A good friend who had many issues, but is a long term recovering alcoholic told me that keeping off drugs (once you’d kicked them) was relatively easy because they’re not in your face unless you seek them out. Giving up nicotine was harder because you smelled it everywhere (fortunately that’s no longer true). Alcohol was in every supermarket you entered. In a band, apart from the highest levels, you’re in places where it’s drunk all around you. Nowadays, a band can strictly control who and what gets backstage. Not true in the 1970s, as Robbie pointed out. So by “the road” I don’t imagine Robbie means “arduous travel” but the presence of temptation on all sides, and people pressing stuff on you.

Musicians are in a difficult place because of where they work, i.e. perform. I guess life insurance actuaries know their business. Once I applied for life insurance and looked at the quotes and filled out the forms. “Ah. Professional author. The sum assured drops by 20%.”

Now I can see that a tree surgeon or a deep sea fisherman is in daily danger, but an author? It was explained by three different companies that actuarially authors suffered more from alcohol related diseases than most professions … but they all said, musicians took a bigger drop in sum assured. So actuarially, which is simply statistics, the "road" is indeed a "goddam hard way of life."

On the plus side, authors can usually negotiate a drop in home insurance because they work at home so are less likely to be burgled.

And an accountant told me "All life insurance is a scam. They offer a huge sum, make you fill out a form, then they have a whole book of reasons for dropping the sum assured."


Entered at Wed Oct 12 06:43:43 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: Just an aside. Another Lavon.

A Brooklynite named Lavon shot dead in Miami. Good night folks.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 06:25:36 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

BTW Lisa, thank you. I'm not certain how long you've been in the GB, but not all that long ago, & certainly several years & further ago, sans the qualifier, possibly with the qualifier, that post would have caused at the very least one harsh initial retort, with god knows what to follow..


Entered at Wed Oct 12 05:19:36 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

In reference to my earlier post, let me add a superior musician & great guy who was a good friend who hung himself in his father's basement, who hadn't been on the road for at least a decade when he did it. Keith D. , a St Louis guy. Keith's second recording was very excellent, both performance wise & with regard to Keith's originals. Blue To Bright. And it sounded good too. You might find a reprint of it, but the odds of a used copy of it sounding good are possibly better than a new CD. I don't know . He was the harp player in Tommy Bankhead's Blues Eldoradoes, a stellar band out of St Louis ( There's a brilliant record, the original pressings of which also sounded great, reprints might, i don't know, Please Mr. Foreman, a really great record. Tommy was one of the founding fathers of electric blues on some of the earlier & most important recordings, some real name records, as in with Elmore James......) . Keith was as good as harp players get,he had Robert Nighthawk down pat,feel, tone, everything. And spent a good amount of time on the road with Jimmy Rogers ( who was one of the members of what was arguably Muddy Waters most important band, Little Walter on harp, Jimmy Rogers on guitar, Elgin Evan drums, & Otis Spann piano, & though I'm not certain of this, Rogers is often spoken of as being the guy instrumental in getting Muddy to go electric.). I also had Keith on part on the second day of the School For Fools session , he's on Reasons To Love & Happy Hour. Keith was a great guy who had been clean & sober for some years when we met. But he had a past of alcoholism (& I think much more in his youth) since he was a teenager. He had a killer band, a great wife & daughter, was working a day job teaching school, owned a house, & really seemed to have his act together. He also was the first guy to take me seriously & give me time when i started writing songs. He was also the first to perform a song of mine live. .. Anyway, i was out of St Louis from Match 2002 to May 2004, and when i returned, Keith looked like a different person, and was boozing hard, and real down and out. . By April 2005 he was really trying hard to get himself back together. but his efforts failed. Eventually he was out of his house, living with his dad. In July 2010, he hung himself in his dad's basement. I guess just to end his pain. You know, enough already. You couldn't find a nicer, more generous, down to earth guy. And he was a huge talent, had a great heart& personality. The road did not do him in... it was his personal problems.... I left Keith's last name out just so casual googling doesn't bring up this reference to his death, but anyone can find him & his music by a search with some of the references I gave.



Entered at Wed Oct 12 01:13:33 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

I think your post was very well written, Jeff, and I don't think anyone could dispute what you said, or misinterpret it.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 00:32:01 CEST 2016 from (67.87.216.163)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Norman, this is not a shot at you or your comment.( And it's certainly no attempt at humor. as were my last two posts). You just happen to be the poster who most recently made the allusion to a commonly held notion or implication that life on the road, and the musicians life that exposes people to drugs and booze are what caused Richard's suicide. Because the discussion here itself , & the topic in the greater world of family etc, can be such a senstivie subject,I 'm trying to word this as careful as possibly. I may fail, but I'm trying. I've wanted to address this subject before, just never took the time to do so...

It's not necessarily accurate or fair to assign any of the blame for Richard's suicide to his life as a musician. His personal condition & eventual fate could have been the same in any other walk of life.
Richard may have met the same or a similar fate if he had been an accountant,factory worker, or school teacher . Music is what fed his soul, what he loved, and possibly what kept him alive for the time he was.
Did he not develop a drinking addiction at a young age? Think of how many high school & college students commit suicide. People can all think of people they know, or people they knw of who have committed suicide or died of alcohol or dug related deaths. My first year of college was in NYC. My second was at UC Davis,.The first quarter there i lived in a dorm. There was another guy who transferred in on the same floor as me, and most of the people on the floor were freshman. Heavy partiers. Neither this guy or I really liked our room mates, & we ween't looking fpr a twenty four hour party, so we took a apartment off campus for the rest of the year. Doug, the guy he had roomed with was rather odd, & a big boozer to boot... Anyway, the second quarter, Doug took a flying leap off the top of the dorm building.
Another guy, a good friend i grew up with, a guy who was a running shoe store manager, became bi- polar around the time he hit thirty or so, he and his wife split up, & he lived in group homes for awhile, then a apartment with another bi polar person. About a dozen years after his first real bipolar episode he threw himself in front of a train.
I've had friends who weren't musicians or known people who weren't musicians who've killed themselves other ways, overdosing, or using hard drugs regularly & gaining enough weight to give themselves a coronary ( a friend who sold kiddie's shoes miost of his adult life).. And more.

Richard may have taken his own life anyway, or maybe sooner, had he not been a musician & not spent as much time on the road as he did. Or maybe not. We don't know.

What we do know is that he was a kind soul, a unique wit, well loved, was one of the most beautiful singers ever born, was an irreplaceable part of one of the finest musical ensembles ever, & created & contributed tons of unique beauty to all our lives.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 00:15:39 CEST 2016 from (184.146.90.70)

Posted by:

Kevin J

...and thank you, sadavid for that New Yorker article on L. Cohen....I'm guessing Johnny Rotten had never really thought about the “inner-directed adolescents, lovers in all degrees of anguish, disappointed Platonists, pornography-peepers, hair-handed monks and Popists".....in his audience with quite the same affection...


Entered at Tue Oct 11 22:03:42 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: All good

Norm, a bit of inconvenience. Up all night with sump pump going. Had six inches in basement; still have two. Character building. Great to see neighbours looking after each other. Thinking of those who experienced full force of hurricane. Heading down to St. Augustine next week. See for ourselves.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 21:44:35 CEST 2016 from (24.114.68.217)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Perhaps not any "significant" new details but in just this one excerpt , there must have been 30 of 40 points of detail that I had not known and very much enjoyed reading about......such is the joy in reading autobiographies and especially rare to read one where you know it was really written by the subject.

Of note.......Robbie also thought, like all of us who have watched TLW, that Ronnie's "Big Time, Bill" was a nod to Bill Graham and not Bill Avis as some have speculated. I like to think it was Bill Avis......I guess only Ronnie would know for sure.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 20:01:42 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

It is an adaptation from the book. I'm certainly hoping for more detail.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:59:07 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks too for the link, Pat. It was very good to read it told in Robbie's own words, but I don't think there was much significant detail we didn't know, apart from the camera operators.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:36:50 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Road

Thanks for that Pat. A real treat you gave us.

When you read Robbie's words about the dangers, I feel sad how true it played out to be for them in so many ways. Richard's end was confirmation I guess. Still hard to get over seeing that talent disintegrate.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:02:06 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Excerpt from Testimony.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 15:11:17 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Leonard Cohen

Longish piece on Cohen from David Remnick in _The New Yorker_.
Includes several paras of Bob Dylan's opinions of Mr. Cohen's work.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 14:34:28 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Joe Jennings

Are you ok over there Joe? It's 5:30 am here, I'm just watching the morning news. It doesn't look good over there.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 10:56:42 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks JT, Peter and John D. I'll just use YouTube. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of her until my recent look into backing singers. I really enjoy what I've heard of her.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 01:55:13 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Leslie Duncan

Lots of music on Youtube.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 23:52:12 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One Leslie Duncan comes up at £236 on amazon.uk. It's just opportunism and speculative posting. It happens. None of those prices are "real" until someone pays them, which won't happen.

Vinyl tends to have a steady price. Odd CDs seem to come up at ludicrous prices because they're out of print. The minute they come back in print, the CD is worth nothing. Vinyl holds the price regardless.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 23:27:47 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Why?

There are indeed some obscene prices for Lesley Duncan at Amazon.ca etc. Why?


Entered at Mon Oct 10 17:30:41 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Leslie Duncan

Checking Canadian Amazon, $30-$40 Canadian for 2 different cds of Leslie Duncan.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 10:49:02 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Lesley Duncan RIP

Any help? Could anybody tell me more? I spent a couple of hours playing Lesley Duncan on YouTube on Friday (before a busy babysitting weekend).

I think she was really good and there is a Band link in that her song, Love Song, is the only song not written by Elton and Bernie Taupin on the Band influenced Tumblewood Connection. She had released a lot of singles, seven albums and was a backing singer on several recordings, including Dark Side of the Moon.

I thought I would buy one of her albums, but they are deleted and reach crazy prices on Amazon.

She seemingly suffered badly from stage fright, retired to Mull (certainy a beautiful place to retire to), but died in her sixties after a long illness.

P.S. I'm playing MFBP just now.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 23:22:53 CEST 2016 from (24.114.71.189)

Posted by:

Bill M

NwC: I'd forgotten about Woodlark the GB poster. Finns seem to be natural jugglers - of balls in Seppo's case, of names in yours.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 22:39:07 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Still waters

Thank you Dunc. I won't make a comment as a certain post has been removed......let sleeping dogs lie.

Anyone who feels they need an explanation can e mail me.

tsolum666atgeemail.com


Entered at Sun Oct 9 22:14:46 CEST 2016 from (84.212.118.250)

Posted by:

jh

Hm. Guess we should be monitoring this forum more often and closely... anonymous post removed. Please don't make us fire up the old idiot-filters again.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 21:14:27 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well said, Dunc.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 21:11:16 CEST 2016 from (86.168.33.17)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Jan H

Thanks for your continuing efforts, Jan H.

Could you please take off the recent negative post in this guestbook. Everybody makes mistakes when they are young.

And to the negative poster, your post says a lot about yourself.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 14:46:29 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Thanks Bill

Lucky you Bill. You met the right person. The Swedes say that we Finns are either bastards or genius. There is no middle register! - Just another funny thing about the name "Leivo" is that it is another term for "skylark" which was my mother's maiden name. In my guilty after her suicide (chidren feel always guilty, with NO reason) I used the name "woodlark" even in the internet inclusive this gb (another variation of this wonderfull bird). Now I believe I've got over it and "woodlark" has got its own nest somewhere on the other side where she belongs. - Sorry for this unnecessary private reflection.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 08:44:07 CEST 2016 from (114.75.206.86)

Posted by:

Wallsend

Web: My link

I am really looking forward to the live 66 collection. I don't know whether I will be able to fight my way through all 36 cds, especially the audience recordings, but it is a fantastic release. So much stuff has come out recently plus Robbie's book. Great time to be a Band fan.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 03:01:44 CEST 2016 from (96.54.61.38)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Doesn't matter!

Subject: 00GB

You are such a goof. Were you not young and full of piss and vinegar at one time? I doubt it! You are one of those pussy's that guys like Norm would have to stand up for in a bar brawl. If you had presented that old newspaper clipping in a different way, say, hey look folks, look what I found. But no, you have to attack the man and make it sound bad. I don't see where he has ever been a bullshitter and pretend he's holier than thou. You are such a fucking loogin! and I agree with Peter that if you have something to say put your name on it.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:39:36 CEST 2016 from (84.212.118.250)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

The webmaster has been busy today...


Entered at Sat Oct 8 17:17:06 CEST 2016 from (184.66.251.127)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Bizarro world

And the bizarro world continues to evolve.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 13:14:11 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.225)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

But i will add this. If i was the prosecuting attorney in The Jones case, I'd have included a community service requirement in any plea or reduced sentence on Norm's charges. Norm would have had to have performed "I Fought The Law And The Law Won." in all his shows for the next couple of years.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 12:44:23 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.225)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

I've got to agree with you Pete. In all fairness to Norm, he probably learned how to fight after that incident.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 11:01:07 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I don't like anonymous posts, especially ones that dredge up an incident from 39 years ago. The IP address goes to Fedex in Texas, so I assume is cloaked. I think if you want to say something, put your name on it.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 04:27:06 CEST 2016 from (64.229.205.156)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Teronno

NwC: This little burst of Finnishness caused me to google my grade 9 French teacher Seppo Leivo - a middling teacher but a fabulous juggler. (He performed the last day of school before Christmas break every year.) And it says right here at the link that he was not just any old juggler, he was Finland's finest of all time, and wrote a book about his life.

Come to think of it, Mr Leivo's most helpful characteristic for me personally was his meek nature (hence the Nievo?) That year, '69/'70, was the year that the students at every school in the area got rebellious and elected long-haired and hip students' councils. Our principal was also an agreeable sort, so allowed the council to host monthly rock concerts in the gym during school hours - in my case during French. As long as you wandered into class, even 10 minutes before it was over, Mr Leivo would mark you as attending and there would be no after-school detention. One group was Edward Bear, who went on to have a couple of international hits, and another was Soma, who I mentioned a week or so ago because the singer, Frank MacKay was from Truro NS (hi Rog) and went on to perform with Johnny Rhythm, Robbie Robertson's frontman in the Suedes.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 02:54:12 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.74)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Bottoms Up.

NWC, at 2:20 or 2:21 in got a good laugh outa watching The Leningrad Cowboys. I made it to 2:51 when i hadda call it quits. Thank you.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 22:37:19 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Norah, Norm, Garth

[My link] is to a short soft interview w/ Ms. Jones.

wtf is a "seal bomb"? I hope not what I think.

Thanks dagman for the Garth link.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 19:09:32 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: To the point

That was the point Fred. Bobby Clarke, probably one of the dirtiest players ever in the NHL. I recall a game against Toronto back then when he gave a defenseman, (the guy's name escapes me at the moment) the butt end right in the gut. They showed it several times.

However the point is, the Russians played that way all the time without ever showing any emotion in any way. To them it was normal. Playing the Flyers tho' were a team who gave the same stuff back so the ironic thing was the Russians leaving the ice because they thought the Flyers were such dirty players. That was so laughable because they couldn't get away with their usual crap.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 18:56:17 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Norhtwest
Web: My link

Subject: Music to Jeff A

On serious side: - Jeff A, I agree with you politically most of the times but don't agree with you all the times. I would let gb enemies to send my soft porn links to my 80-years old mother-in-law and to sisters and brothers to Mrs. NWC to protect your right to post your opinions in gb... and Norbert and Peter V and humble me did it the right thing. We got a lot of shit. Criminal people threatened us. I cooperated with Swedish internet police. I know who you are and - like the Prime Minister of England said- I'll get you!


Entered at Fri Oct 7 18:41:00 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mr Nice Guy

Thanks PSB. The new Van hasn't sunk in far enough to grab me yet. The line "I was Mr Nice Guy for too long" which opens Out In The Cold Again did make me chuckle. Your review should help me get back in, though on one hearing, today's Norah Jones sounds more interesting.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 18:15:52 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

I remember Bobby Clarke whining about that. The Broad Street Bullies complaining about dirty play. Ironic, eh? : )


Entered at Fri Oct 7 17:02:50 CEST 2016 from (100.34.253.103)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Van's new album

My review of the new Van and also Robert Finley's debut at 63.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:50:36 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Fighting & Skill

Fred & Jerry, I agree that hockey would be far more enjoyable without the fights, however if you guys remember back to the seventies when in a game in Philadelphia the Russians left the ice after a Ed Vanimp hit on a Russian player.

Well in interview later Bobby Clarke,s comments were about what many of us see. The dirty play of Russian players, (which in Russia goes on to this day using sticks, butt ending and all kinds of "subtle" damaging physical abuse) they are the dirtiest players there are in the game. Bobby Clarke said you news people need to come in our dressing room and inspect the injuries to our players from what those guys do.

We have come a long way from the sixties in changing the rules but not enough. When you talk about penalty rules for fighting Jerry, there has to be far more stiffer rules for the cause of these fights including intimidation.

These latest Olympics seem to have shown more and more at what lengths the Russians will go to win. I see on the internet yesterday how Trumps running mate for vise pres said Putin is a better leader than Obama! Lord gawd, Putin is a thief and a murderer plain and simple. He rules with fear and intimidation. If a person running for vise president of the USA condones that you 'Mericans are in for a scarey ride.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:19:32 CEST 2016 from (85.165.151.5)

Posted by:

dagman

Web: My link

Subject: Garth interview from Norwegian TV, 1994

^^^


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:05:43 CEST 2016 from (67.84.77.184)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC. Poetry need not rhyme. The way it is written is not the issue. I'm not sure what you thought my point was. Reducing the situation to fear & hatred is what was flicked my switch. I thought the piece really ugly, & despite a gazillion things, i can't see predominantly ugliness here. Or maybe I am beginning to see more than i can accept yet, & it pisses me off.
MOST,not all, people that grew up in NYC,were taught not to fear & hate for no good reason. And one of our characteristics is to do our damndest not to fall into the trap of indiscriminate fear & hatred. MOSTLY, we try to accept & be generous of spirit & learn about others. And make things fun, & beautiful. It's everyone's choice to make all the time.. Of course, we're human too. & large #s include all kinds of people with all kinds of reactions to people.
Unfortunately, i guess the issue is that i don't speak any Finnish, & your attempts at communication,though valiant, might be above my ability to intuit, & i've not the sophistication to not take them at first bare meaning. I often take them at face value.
In this case, I guess the issue may have been that you were drunk, & I wasn't.

************************************************************ Totally Separately, but with some connection.
Like many people, I've spent most of my life interacting with people for whom my native language is not theirs. In my case, especially in NYC, even my work life always involved that, as it does for many people, in many places....It never had been real difficult for me, never even was a minor nuisance, it was part of life. It just was. And it wasn't hard or even an inconvenience.

Maybe it's the sheer numbers today, maybe it's the fact that most people don't try to learn correct use of the English language here anymore, & maybe it's because young people born here don't learn or if they do learn it, don't use correct English here anymore, but trying to guess what the fuck people mean all fucking day long is getting to be really annoying. All walks of life, in all kinds of jobs, in all levels...Bank tellers, bank officers even... They often don't know what the fuck they are saying. Some are really nice, trying really hard to do the best possible job & to be nice about it, , just don't have proper use of the language...But, they got the fate of your money in their hands... Even worse is constantly dealing with young people born here, who are convinced the words they are using mean other than what they actually said.

In person, with people on the street who need help finding someplace, but don't speak any or much English, I'm pretty good. I find that in person,with people who speak alot of English words, but have it all fucked up, ( I'm not indicating you do NWC ), it makes actual communication rather difficult & more frustrating than if they spoke none.

The casual acceptance of all people, born here or not, not being able to use English properly & not trying to learn correct & good usage makes me wonder if the country i live in is heading towards being a Tower of Babel. It's a sad feeling.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 14:22:39 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Day Breaks

New Norah Jones today … with Brian Blades on drums, Wayne Shorter on sax so at the jazzier end of her style, but beautifully performed. Link is to Carry On which is in her more usual style. My goodness, she's gorgeous. The Hammond B3 is Jon Cowherd.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 14:17:40 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: My 2 (or 3) cents

NWC - My two cents: You don't have to rhyme. You can provide any order you want. Yes, arts and their value are in the eyes and ears of the beholder. What to some is art and music to others is...??? well who knows. What counts is expression of thoughts and ideas and you have done that. No problem.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 14:11:46 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Scania Northwest

Subject: Bill / Jeff A

Thanks Bill. Next time I wander in the mountains for two weeks, get my stomache in revolution after eating Arabian lamb sausages, don't eat anything but cheap wine in three days, travel in 23 hours, get home, drink two beers and 3/4 bottle of cheap Australian wine (which is better than the most), give the goodnight kiss to Mrs. NWC, wake up after two hours, open the gb, post about punk poetry without CHECKING THE WORD ORDER FIRST.... well, I consult you Bill first.

Jeff A, I just wanted to show that I got your point. Something went wrong, in your mind or in my mind. Probably mine. - A personal note about this punk poet. We tried to get the same two jobs in the late seventies. He got the job in the school for blind kids because he was able to activate them musically. I got the job in the school for psychotic kids because I was - if not totally sane but at least not totally crazy. Believe or not.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 14:09:15 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: The Boss on NPR

I listened to the Fresh AIr interview with Bruce Springsteen (interviewd by Terry Gross). I think I linked to a transcript of the interview. However I believe it can be download by clicking somewhere or other.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 13:47:53 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Bad behaviour

The person who allegedly threw the can at the Jays game has been charged with 'mischief'. The charge could have been more serious according to the newspapers.

Given the nature of all these sports (boxing and the like excluded), fighting is NEVER a part of the game. If I were making the rules, I would suspend a player who fought for his first time for 15 games (hockey, baseball) and for 40 games for second offence, for life third offence. To be clear, this means use of a fist (like the one used last year on Bautista or the events when the gloves come off in hockey)to inflict pain. The referee/umpire would have to discriminate between the primary offender and the person receiving the first blow and defending him/her self. Some judgement and rational thinking would have to enter the picture when two or more people are engaged in this type of behaviour and there would have to be a panel of experts (like the one that now exists in hockey) to judge each event. Some rules like this seem to exist now but I think they should be made absolutely clear so that the participant knows how severe the penalty will be (Time and $$$) even for his/her first offence. Despite the seeming entertainment value for some in these fights, there is no place for this type of behaviour in what are otherwise enjoyable sports. Someone said it well...these are games of skill!

As for bad behaviour in the stands by the fans, a ban for life from the facility is in order and the police and authorities should get involved to protect all involved (fans and players)


Entered at Fri Oct 7 13:23:31 CEST 2016 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Don't get me started....

There's no place in hockey for fighting. Good clean bodychecking yes, Fighting...no. It's a game of skill....or at least it should be. Too many knuckle heads in Canada & the States think it is a good part of the game. No it isn't. No matter what they or Don Cherry think.

Russian "fans" who attend matches of The Beautiful Game are also guilty of hurling racist abuse at African and Latin players who play in their league

That pinhead of a Jays' "fan" was lucky baseball has no rules about objects being hurled at opposing players resutling in fines for the club or forfeiting the game. I wonder if there will be any criminal charges laid against him, which would serve him right. I say once found guilty instead of jail time....give him a fine and make him clean up both dugouts at the dome after the game is over. Perhaps for a season. Baseball dugouts can be pretty nasty places to clean up.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 12:36:36 CEST 2016 from (24.114.56.215)

Posted by:

Bill M

NwC: may I suggest that keeping the original word order would have made the poem more palatable to those expecting at least one rhyme?

Fear and hatred in city streets
Fear and hatred in people's eyes
Fear and hatred in newspaper sheets
Fear and hatred in people's hearts


Entered at Fri Oct 7 11:02:36 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Still harping on about speed, Pat … could the YouTube problem be uploading from sources which differ because of the PAL v NTSC issue? One of the Caravans was from France, by the look of it (SECAM system).


Entered at Fri Oct 7 10:49:24 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I reckon Western Europe has pretty much cleaned up its own houses. The issue is FIFA and the massive corruption, and the "selling" of two World Cups, 2018 to Russia, and 2022 to Qatar. Russia is moderately rational, as a major nation which appears in most World Cups, though the Olympics doping plus shenanigans around the voting are reasons why it was a bad choice. Qatar, a country which has never appeared in a World Cup and necessitates changing the entire world sporting calendar for three years so as to play it in winter, was absurd.

What should have happened as a few commentators suggested, is Western and Central Europe with the USA and Australia (both failed bidders) should have left FIFA, and formed a new association … with "Global Cup 2022". The major Latin American teams would have joined, or rather would have to join. Then it's up to everybody else. I can't recall the figures, but the percentage of the TV money that actually pays for this which comes from the five big leagues … UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy is massive. Gets rid of FIFA once and for all.

But there needs to be far higher penalties for things like flares thrown, and for the abuse of black players … the former Yugoslavian countries are the centre for this. It's simple. Don't stop the game, because it'll cause a riot. But award the result to the team that has been abused.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 04:54:15 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Normal Behaviour???????

Peter! at the outset of this conversation, I made a "casual" comment about the behaviour of international foot ball fans. Your comments confirm that the insane behaviour of UK, Europe, and South American football fans is considered normal there because over the years nothing is done about it.

There has been a few occasions over the years where in hockey a fan has thrown something at a player. (Quebec City 1982, Vancouver Canucks - Quebec Nordique) for example. The fan ends up getting his lights punched out. Consider, doesn't matter how big and tough you think you are. A player who is in the top physical condition he can be in, that's his bread and butter. Add to that how the adrenalin is pumping in the middle of a hockey game. You want to fight with one of those guys? No one can be that drunk or stupid. You out of your fucking mind???????

Occasionally you see a little skirmish on the football field or the ball diamond. There are hockey fights, (players on the ice, part of the game.)

Example, 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, (I have a video made of the series) Canada Women's Hockey Team won Gold. Men's Team won Gold. During the game footage in a pub of USA & Canada fans together rooting for their teams, but they all get along with respect. After the final game the teams shake hands at center ice.

Most recently, (last week?) Canada confirmed our hockey supremacy over a very good Team Europe. There were no fights See Peter, we are quite a bit more civilized over here than all you gawd damn loonies over there -:)


Entered at Fri Oct 7 02:29:51 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Okay, now I think it's a Youtube problem.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 01:01:56 CEST 2016 from (67.84.78.81)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

NWC. There's a lot of so called poetry that to me, bares has no resemblance to poetry. There's also a lot of so called music that i feel bares no resemblance to music.

I also don't find validity in your application. There's plenty of room for legitimate concern when the reasons for it have legitimate basis..


Entered at Thu Oct 6 23:48:10 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You can put them both up and play them line by line. Would the PAL v NTSC speed thing have anything to do with it? Are only those two songs speeded up?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 23:18:26 CEST 2016 from (136.167.102.146)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

Further deepening this mystery, what do we make of the fact that there are YouTube clips of "Caravan" that play in BOTH keys? I've linked a G Caravan in the link above; here's a G# Caravan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wDwMQVqCc

Different film sources?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 22:57:20 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Yep. Mannish Boy and Caravan are both sped up video and audio. Wow. I'll check the CD release later.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:33:13 CEST 2016 from (83.249.132.119)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Now!

Subject: Jeff A's link

Thanks Jeff A for your post and the link. It reminded me of the words of the Finnish punk poet Pelle Miljoona from the year 1992. It goes like this:

"Pelko ja viha kaupungin kaduilla
Pelko ja viha ihmisten silmissä
Pelko ja viha lehtien sivuilla
Pelko ja viha ihmisten sydämissä."

That's all for tonight, good folks ....errr... you don't understand Finnish? Here's the translation:

"The fear and the hatred in the streets of the city / The fear and the hatred in the eyes of the people / The fear and the hatred in the pages of the newspapers / The fear and the hatred in the hearts of the people."


Entered at Thu Oct 6 18:54:07 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: 'You Want It Darker"

In these 'days of awe' Leonard Cohen's "You Want It Darker" comes to mind and infects my brain.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 18:30:36 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Bumgarner

Looking for an anti-Mets conspiracy?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 18:10:28 CEST 2016 from (67.84.78.81)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Web: My link

Subject: FBI

The FBI just raided an apartment building less than half a mile down Ave Z from where I live. I walk, drive, ride, past this stretch almost daily. Sometimes 7,8, maybe even a dozen times some days. I'm not surprised by cause for the FBI to raid probably half of any places in NYC anymore. For the last 15, 16 years, when I've been around, this particular stretch, though it's still part of everyday life, always rubbed me wrong. Just a sense. There's a triangle, with a mechanic &used car lot in it, opposite, then a one way to the tip of the opposite side of the triangle, with private residences on the far ( which isn't far) side. More & more often I've walked over there on that side just to avoid the general vibe.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 16:22:37 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Fuelled and overwrought

For a while, beer and other liquids were being poured by the vendors in the stands into plastic cups. The only problem was that the liquid would spill on people if thrown from the 500s (way up and a long way) towards the field and often never reaching the field. If it did reach the field from closer, no major danger though still disgusting behaviour. I think they may go back to plastic cups and no plastic bottles (water) or beer or cooler cans. You can't rely on all people to be civil, even in Toronto The Good. Lets hope civility rules. As I said, being 'fuelled and overwrought' is a bad combination.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 16:03:02 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A beer can? What would you guys do about Euro 2016 soccer, when Croatians threw lighted flares on the pitch, and Russians lit flares in the crowd? Of course, both teams should have been expelled from the tournament immediately. Didn't happen!


Entered at Thu Oct 6 14:50:18 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: John D

Too bad such a thoughtless act has to come to that.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 14:35:08 CEST 2016 from (100.14.113.51)

Posted by:

bob w

Web: My link

Subject: Wings For Wheels

Al Edge, guessing you may have already heard this. It got a mention this morning on FB and I thought you might enjoy it.

Take me back......


Entered at Thu Oct 6 07:31:07 CEST 2016 from (210.86.96.15)

Posted by:

Rod

There's also a segment in Dry Your Eyes where the video appears to be in slow motion


Entered at Thu Oct 6 07:26:06 CEST 2016 from (210.86.96.15)

Posted by:

Rod

Interesting about Caravan being being sped up for the movie. Maybe it was counted in to slow and speeding it up gave it a bit more kick though I wouldn't have thought a semitone would have made too much difference. I do remember reading somewhere that RM started in the wrong key anyway.

I've got back stage tickets to TLW 40th anniversary concert. There is a question and answer session with John Simon so I might ask him ..but there are alot more things I'd rather ask :-)


Entered at Thu Oct 6 02:32:14 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Last night

Well Norm, I know they are looking at all kinds of angles of video to find the person. Interesting when the police arrived everyone was tight lipped. The cops should have said, "OK. Everyone in this area. Point to the person who did it or your all banned for life." I know the person who threw it will be banned for life; according to the Mayor.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 22:43:46 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Girl On The Train review

Link to my review of The Girl On The Train, out today in the UK. Emily Blunt stars in the film version of the #1 best-selling novel. BUT they've shifted it from London to New York state. Justified?


Entered at Wed Oct 5 18:53:05 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ha ha - Van de walk

Gave me a chuckle Kev!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 5 18:32:35 CEST 2016 from (86.25.242.77)

Posted by:

Ian W

Subject: Film and videotape speeds

From the technical point of view, I can offer nothing so I'll limit myself to the observation that, when viewing videotapes of someone speaking or singing, particularly those taken from old TV programmes, I not infrequently thought that the sound of the words was out of synch with the movement of the lips. Was this because of the slight speed difference?

I know that some of the old TV programmes were originally archived as kinescopes - that is on 35 mm film stock, telerecorded from a monitor screen in the studio, using a camera that was attached to the monitor screen to ensure a steady picture.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 17:48:07 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Bad 'Sports'?

It was disgusting! That's what can happen when people are fuelled and overwrought! I hope something was done about it. It should never happen, Norm.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 17:42:47 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sportsmanship

Sometimes it's hard to figure who are worse, Vancouver hockey fans or Toronto base ball fans.

A fan throwing a beer can at an outfielder in last night's game, and it has happened a few times in Toronto. Vancouver fans trying to destroy part of the city in the Stanley Cup finals a few years back. Of course it happens world wide particularly in foot ball, but it is crappy to see.

Jerry! do something about this!


Entered at Wed Oct 5 15:38:05 CEST 2016 from (24.114.67.102)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Van The Man out of sync....

No wonder Van Morrison has been cranky since 1978.......that damn Scorsese turned normal walking steps on stage at TLW into wildly flamboyant leg kicks !


Entered at Wed Oct 5 14:00:23 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Intensity

Ian: Thanks for reminding us of what it was. It is the intensity of the performance by Dylan and his delivery that is remarkable. The musicians are galvanized as they play and clearly Dylan is feeding off of them and vv.

The other thing for me is how wan Dylan looked compared to only 1 year earlier and 1 year later. That tour and everything that went with it took its toll on his physical being. Fortunately, everyone ultimately ' saw the light'.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 10:02:21 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Hang on, I must be talking nonsense below. The 24 frames to 25 frames would surely not be one accurate step? I know concert pitch is a variable. A=440 Hz is the official standard, but some American orchestras tune to 441 or 442, and many European orchestras tune to 443 Hz. Older Berlin Philharmonic recordings used 445 Hz.

But even so, wouldn't it mean that music recorded live on 35 mm film would be out of tune on video? Is there some sort of correction?


Entered at Wed Oct 5 09:46:25 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Speed

Fascinating, Pat.

Speed … in Silent Film days a camera operator was rated by their ability to hand crank at various speeds, slowing to speed up action. It’s a technique often applied to action sequences, as Pat points out to make it more exciting.

The key change set me thinking. Is it only on two songs? Is the Wolfgang’s Vault version the original undoctored tape?

35 mm film ran at 24 frames per second. American / Japanese TV uses the NTSC system which runs at 30 frames a second (actually 29.97 frames per second). The European PAL system runs at 25 frames per second. When you transferred (I’m using the past tense because I don’t know 2016 technology at all) film to TV, the frame rate changed. PAL TV’s great advantage was you just ran the film slightly fast, at 25 frames a second. The speed difference was beyond perception levels, but the PAL TV version would lose more than 2 minute per hour.

You couldn’t do that with NTSC because the difference between 24 and 30 was perceptible to anyone. So there was a system where frames were doubled, apparently randomly, to equate the speeds. In practice, NTSC transfers in the 70s and 80s were very slightly slower at 23.976 frames per second.

When I was in editing studios, he camera operator who had worked extensively in America, said he always felt “jerkiness” in NTSC due to the frame doubling, and that PAL was smoother. I’ve never thought what it did to live recorded music on film. There must be a way around it to smooth it out as you couldn't just randomly add one twenty-fourth here and there. Did they separate the sound track until it was running at 23.976 frames, then put it back on? I assume so. On PAL, you don’t bother, you just speed up by one twenty-fifth. Those with keen ears note a very slight increase in the pitch of voices.

We used to do videos in PAL and NTSC (and France's SECAM system), but the videotape master was always PAL … even when we filmed in the USA … I remember there was an issue with lighting, and we had to have a power transformer (NTSC uses 30 because American [power is 60 cycles, PAL uses 25 because our power is 50 cycles). I was told it was easier to use PAL and transfer to NTSC than vice versa, and PAL, invented ten years later than NTSC is a superior system. (Before you accuse me of bias, it's a German invention, not a British one). This made me wonder if video (and then DVD) had been done to PAL standard, and then transferred.

My question is, would one twenty-fifth speed up sharpen it by one step? I’ve never thought about it … but if it did it would apply to the entire movie.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 07:35:43 CEST 2016 from (108.88.109.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

For a variety of reasons I played along with Caravan from the movie and discovered it's in the key of A flat. Weird because the original is in G, a half step lower. So I started looking hard at the movie and RR seems to be playing in G. Okay, that's weird. Really weird. Same with Mannish Boy. Now in 1977 they did not have the technology to change keys without speeding the tape up, and if they sped the tape up they would have had to speed the movie up to stay in sync. So I A/B'ed it with the Wolfgang's Vault version. Son of a bitch. The WV version of Caravan is in G. Tomorrow I'm going to A/B the speeds and see if the movie version is faster than the WV version. If so, then we've been watching performances that have been aurally and visually sped up. To save time? Because it sounded more exciting? It's a technique used for a number of hits like Have I The Right? and When I'm Sixty four.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 07:13:48 CEST 2016 from (71.234.142.242)

Posted by:

haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Just a quick add-on to the couples list: Waylon & Jessie Colter; Kris Kristofferson & Rita Coolidge.

I'd agree you could go on just about forever on 2 siblings, but I'm glad somebody brought up the Allmans. For my money the all-time sibling pair... in fact in a different list: what to play at my memorial service: those left will have a hard time time sifting through Allbros music and our 5 here. I do plan on asking for "Rockin' Chair", even though as my spouse points out, I've got nothing to do w/ Ol' Virginny (not that my ashes will know any different). It just says all there is about the sunset years, a bit less morosely than Prine's "Hello in there". But to leave the macrabre, one of the nicest part of the Allbros was their last iteration w/ an uncle (Butch) and nephew (Derek) Trucks. I know this isn't an Allman Bros site, but no offense to the Dickey fans out there, I might even posit that Derek ranks right behind Duane in their pantheon. Certainly seems to be a bit more tolerable human being.

Back to the point of the gb, it's really nice to see BEG back here. Your links are always of interst, seems to me. Very much looking forward to "Testimony", hard cover and cd. Maybe I'll have just finished "Born to Run" by then, although that's delayed by a local series of discussions based on "Waking up White".


Entered at Wed Oct 5 04:03:58 CEST 2016 from (64.229.181.207)

Posted by:

Bill M

Ian W: Thanks. Well worth watching and listening to. Garth is so endlessly inventive, notably on "One Too Many Mornings" and "Ballad Of A Thin Man" (13-18 minutes along, or thereabouts). Bob doesn't seem to give many signs of interest in what the others are doing, but he keeps looking back to his left when Garth does some fitting but weird stuff at around the 15 minute mark, though nothing shows in his face. And then there's the instrumental break towards the closing LARS, when Dylan moves back to become part of the group, which was nice, I thought. I also liked how he was more animated, especially the gesticulating with his left hand, when he takes over the piano for a number.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 00:10:13 CEST 2016 from (86.25.242.77)

Posted by:

Ian W

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan and The Hawks - compilation of 1966 concert footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOGdmYimIk&feature=youtu.be


Entered at Tue Oct 4 22:45:56 CEST 2016 from (24.114.70.201)

Posted by:

Bill M

"Copper Kettle" has always been one of my very favourite Dylan performances, as I've said here before, but that alone doesn't explain why a line from it has been running through my head on and off for the past two weeks. I just figured it out: Donald Trump ain't paid no whiskey tax since 1792.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 19:16:28 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Gregor Craigie

Jerry, I agree. I enjoy his show, however his habit if stammering over words, a lot! I find very annoying some days worse than others and I turn him off.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 19:06:20 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Questions

And yes, the questions are often 'questionable'. For anyone who knows 'too much' I don't think much can be gleaned.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 19:04:53 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Heroes

Peter V: Well put. The old adage of never wanting to meet your heroes may apply here to some degree. Though when I did meet Robbie, for a few short seconds at his last 'show and tell' for A Band History box set, he was quite friendly. But it was a very short exposure.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:59:43 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The interview is a feature of many Literary Festivals. It annoys me, because I always spent ages preparing and refining talks, and it seems inadequate to just sit and answer a few questions (invariably toadying questions). In fact, I bought every Roddy Doyle book until I saw him do an interview at Cheltenham, and it put me right off him!


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:36:23 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: For those who care...

Oh, by the way: "Go, Jays, Go". Sudden death game is a gross understatement for this one.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:34:55 CEST 2016 from (74.14.7.247)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: I think I'll just read the book

The format of sitting in an audience to listen to an interviewer speak to someone in front of an audience is not appealing to me. I prefer the line-up and 'meet and greet' that we encountered with Robbie Robertson last time out. I think I'll pass on these 'opportunities.' I do like Gregor Craigie on the radio.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:01:58 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

More Book Signing for Robbie

11/16/16 7:30 PM
Free Library of Philadelphia
Vine Street.
Philadelphia, PA.

11/29/16 8:00 PM
Theatre at Ace Hotel
South Broadway.
Los Angeles, CA.

Healthy and Happy Thanksgiving to all this weekend!
May your bread basket never be empty.....as a Guyanese buddy used to say.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 17:48:15 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

NOV 18
Robbie Robertson at In conversation with Anne Legace-Dowson, Lower Canada College High School, Saputo Auditorium, Montreal QC

NOV 21
Robbie Robertson at TIFF and Indigo Books& Music, In-conversation with George Stromboulopoulos, TIFF Bell Lightbox, 350 King St. W. Toronto ON

DEC 5
Robbie Robertson at In conversation with CBC Radio's Gregor Craigie, University of Victoria, Farquhar Auditorium, 3800 Finnerty Rd. Victoria BC


Entered at Tue Oct 4 17:32:20 CEST 2016 from (89.242.94.78)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Brothers

Geep - Don't forget Luka Bloom and Christy Moore.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 17:28:23 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

ROBBIE ROBERTSON CURATES NEW, CAREER-SPANNING ‘TESTIMONY’
ANTHOLOGY ALBUM, TO BE RELEASED NOVEMBER 11 BY UME
BY LEVI RICKERT
CURRENTS, ENTERTAINMENT
02 OCT 2016

"On the same date as Robertson’s Testimony anthology release, Rhino will release four new 40th Anniversary Editions of The Band’s The Last Waltz in various CD, Blu-ray, and vinyl formats. A special Collector’s Edition to be released on December 9 features a leather-bound, 300-page book with a replication of Martin Scorsese’s original shooting script from the film.

Robertson’s Testimony book and companion album deftly complement one another to capture time and place–the moment when rock ‘n’ roll became life, when legends like Buddy Holly and Bo Diddley criss-crossed the circuit of clubs and roadhouses from Texas to Toronto, when The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, The Rolling Stones, and Andy Warhol moved through the same streets and hotel rooms. It’s the story of exciting change as the world tumbled through the 1960s and early ’70s and a generation came of age, built on music, love and freedom. Above all, it’s the moving story of the profound friendship between five young men who together created a new kind of popular music.

Testimony is Robbie Robertson’s story, lyrical and true, as only he could tell it."

Robbie Robertson / Various Artists: Testimony

Testimony (Unity Mix) – Robbie Robertson
Bessie Smith – The Band
Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 – Bob Dylan
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down / Live At The Academy Of Music, 1971 – The Band
He Don’t Love You (And He’ll Break Your Heart) – Levon & The Hawks
Somewhere Down The Crazy River – Robbie Robertson
Life Is A Carnival / Live At The Academy Of Music, 1971 – The Band
It Makes No Difference – The Band
The Weight / Live At The Academy Of Music, 1971 – The Band
Out Of The Blue – The Band
I’m Gonna Play the Honky Tonks – Levon & The Hawks
Obviously 5 Believers – Bob Dylan
Soap Box Preacher – Robbie Robertson
Twilight (Song Sketch) – The Band
Come Love – Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks
When The Night Was Young – Robbie Robertson
The Shape I’m In / Live At The Academy Of Music, 1971 – The Band
Unbound – Robbie Robertson


Entered at Tue Oct 4 17:08:01 CEST 2016 from (73.81.116.145)

Posted by:

GEEP

Subject: Brothers from Scotland

Hello and I've never posted but noticed mention of bands with brothers from Scotland - and I would bring to your attention The Brothers Cunningham - Johnny on fiddle and Phil on accordion - and Silly Wizard Also - in the same vein - John and Phil Cunningham were also in "Relativity" along with Ireland's Mícheál Ó Domhnaill and his sister Triona Ní Dhomhnaill. Micheal and Triona were in The Bothy Band and, along with their sister and Daithi Sproule, had "Skara Brae" to go for 3 from Ireland..and, for a while, Johnny, Micheal and Triona were in a band named "Nightnoise"


Entered at Tue Oct 4 17:04:04 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Couples Jammin'

Debbie Harry and Chris Stein of Blondie
Ashford and Simpson

SONGS WRITTEN BY ASHFORD AND SIMPSON

Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross
Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
Do You Ever Think Of Me? - Corinne Bailey Rae
Good Lovin Ain't Easy To Come By - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
I'm Every Woman - Chaka Khan
Let's Go Get Stoned - Ray Charles
Solid - Ashford & Simpson
Some Things You Never Get Used To - The Supremes
The Onion Song - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
You're All I Need to Get By - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell

Three or more siblings in a band

The Mills Brothers
Carter Family
The Rankin Family
Gladys Knight and The Pips
The Osmonds
Aston "Family Man" Barrett - bass & Lider, Aston Barrett Jr - drums, Josh Barrett - lead vocals & Guitar
The Braxtons Toni most known
The "Ramones"


Entered at Tue Oct 4 16:56:44 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Background music

I long for music free shopping. I don't mind HMV - I'd forgotten the Van Morrison was out until I went in and they were playing it. But otherwise I want to choose what I hear. The worst thing is Christmas is coming. One anguished assistant told me last year they had ONE Christmas CD which they had to play continually until December 24th. This meant Merry Xmas Everybody 8 or 9 times a day. And Happy Xmas (War Is Over) and all the others on "The Best Xmas Album Ever 2016" or whatever.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 16:27:06 CEST 2016 from (96.245.114.250)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE/PA, USA

Subject: Brothers in arms, as it were

Serendipity rules. Ran across a group called the The National (which I had not heard of) when they appeared in a scene in the Bob Weir docu currently running on Netflix. The docu is very good, and raised my opinion of Mr. Weir a notch or two. Still, IMHO, he has not written a decent melody in several decades. But, he is the best damn rhythm guitar player currently walking the planet.

The National have two sets of brothers, making them nominees for the current thread. And they ain't too bad, either.

Now in my sixth decade, I still enjoy discovering good new music, although my budget for new acquisitions is limited. I have the misfortune of having to endure a narrow playlist of shouting, angry mid-90 to mid-2000 rock songs when I have to work in our shop. Not only do these songs largely SUCK, it is the same selection EVERY DAY. Thank the Lord for headphones and a 2TB hard drive!


Entered at Tue Oct 4 16:00:32 CEST 2016 from (70.121.40.130)

Posted by:

Glenn T

Subject: Siblings

Has anyone mentioned the Allman Brothers? The Bacon Brothers? Credence Clearwater Revival? Nickel Creek?


Entered at Tue Oct 4 15:58:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Share Your Love

Just got Van Morrison's new one, "Keep Me Singing" with a powerful version of Share Your Love With Me. As i've always felt when I've seen Van performing "You Don't Know Me" I sense it's a part-tribute to Richard Manuel.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 10:43:04 CEST 2016 from (31.48.0.202)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Scottish brothers' bands

Off the top of my head.

AC/DC

The Proclaimers

Jesus and Mary Chain

Sutherland Brothers - still sound brilliant

Bay City Rollers

Michael and Chris Marra played together often

Hue and Cry

Gary Clark and Kit Clark of Danny Wilson

Alex and Les Harvey RIP - different bands

Hamish and Tammy Boy Glimmer of the Stones production team.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 06:49:13 CEST 2016 from (71.64.7.5)

Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Subject: Sibling Bands

Greetings all

Bee Gees most likely sold the most records as siblings, married couple I'd go with Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, Sisters has to be Heart....., although the Andrew sisters were huge in the 40's and 50's, Devo may be the strangest Sibling band ever......


Entered at Tue Oct 4 04:52:07 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.142)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Wilburys?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: What about 5 brothers in one band.....

.......Otis, Nelson, Lefty, Charlie and my favourite, Lucky.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 02:10:14 CEST 2016 from (173.3.48.142)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Chambers Brothers. 4 Brothers

Campbell Brothers (Sacred Steel performers)

Sly & The Family Stone. Sly had a brother & sister in the band.

There's gotta be a good # we're missing.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Let it Be(Naked)

Naked is the meal-in all of its elegance,beauty,creativity and grace.Phil Spector throws up on Naked to create Let it Be.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 23:04:53 CEST 2016 from (79.75.186.152)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: Siblings - Ella Mae

Absolutely love this Greg Brown song covered by his daughters Pieta, Zoe and Constie Brown. Linked above.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 22:56:19 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Cahir

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Family

Thank you Al and Dunc for caring. Al I recall your cousins problem with loosing Steve. I share that pain. In resent years I lost two of my best friends to cancer. Both at age 68. One was my brother in law, my Susan's sister's husband the other a best friend. Both these fellows were my friends of over 45 years.

Not long ago my brother's daughter died at 44 of lung cancer from smoking. Also Susan's sister died at 47 of cancer. It is dreadful to watch what that gawd damn disease does to people.

Carry on with the music and happier thoughts. Next weekend is special as it is my Amanda's 34th birthday on the 9th and our Thanksgiving. It will be a special weekend. I love to cook turkey dinner for my gang.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:36:47 CEST 2016 from (31.48.0.202)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Correction

Sorry Rocking Chair. Don't know where name error came from. I was thinking about you returning on your tug too. Apologies.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:30:28 CEST 2016 from (31.48.0.202)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Great Unknown Albums (2)

My great Unknown Album is 'Out of Nowhere' by Joe Egan, the other half of Stealers Wheel and co writer of Stuck In The Middle With You (Over 50 million hits on You Tube), and a great writer in his own right.

I had the album on vinyl many years ago, but gave it away to a young colleague, thinking I would pick it up on CD, but it was unavailsble for many years. It was rereleased this year finally and I have played it many times since.

A truly moving story, Northwestcoaster. Your daughter is a shining example of all that is good about humanity. You must be very proud of your daughter.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 18:42:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Great Unknown Albums (1)

There's a never-ending supply of great "non-hit" albums out there. I'm stuck on Phew! by Claudia Lennear from 1973 at the moment. It's an unusual concept … Ry Cooder and band on Side 1, but Allen Toussaint and company on Side Two. It's an even split too.

Linked It Ain't Easy, with Ry Cooder on guitar, Jim Dickenson on piano.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:26:44 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Born To Run

Early chapters in Springsteen's incredible autobiography he talks about what Elvis and The Beatles meant to him. This book is really something special.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:19:47 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Let It Be v Let It Be (Naked)

That's another dilemma. Which one? I can't get by without Spector's massive treatment of Long & Winding Road & Let It Be. The rest is different.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:10:18 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Forgot the link

Hey Jude …


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:08:29 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beatles for Sale

I thought I might have to justify “weak” and Beatles in the same sentence.

Yes, if Beatles For Sale is the weakest Beatles album it’s still a way better album than most people will ever get near. I agree it’s a toss-up with Let It Be. Al just listed the eight original tracks, all essential. The issue with Beatles for Sale was padding it out with covers: Rock ‘n’ Roll Music, Mr Moonlight., Kansas City, Words of Love, Honey Don’t, Everybody’s Trying to Be My Baby.

The template was Please Please Me which also had covers dating back to their Cavern Days:

Anna, Chains, Boys, Baby It’s You, A Taste of Honey, Twist and Shout.

Then With The Beatles used up a batch more:

Till There Was You, Please Mr Postman, Roll Over Beethoven, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Devil In Her Heart, Money

The “Long Tall Sally” Ep used three more: Long Tall Sally, Matchbox, Slow Down.

I reckon they thought, “We’ve done that …” because Hard Day’s Night was all originals.

For Help! I reckon Act Naturally had to go in to give Ringo a countryish cover to sing. Only reason it’s there. They’d made a habit of signing off with raucous rockers on the first two LPs, hence Dizzy Miss Lizzy got added to Help!

Beatles For Sale has six covers … a sign of lack of time to think and write on the tour. They’re reaching back to stuff they knew and loved, but they’d already used the best girl group and Motown songs, so were down to intrinsically lesser songs (even if done brilliantly.) The most interesting in the light of Paul McCartney’s later statements on Buddy Holly is Words of Love. If you go to the BBC Sessions, there were better songs on there.

Rock ‘n’ Roll Music churns away, but it’s one of my least favourite Chuck Berry. They don't really "do" Kansas City.

Anyway, Googling around I found this late TV appearance with David Frost for Hey Jude … which starts with them taking the piss. Not sure whether Frost found it funny. I assume they’re miming, because f the soaring invisible strings. but George looks as if he’s doing it on a 6 string bass guitar. If you don’t believe Time Travel exists, freeze frame at 6:53 to see what appears to be Noel Gallagher copping some licks.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:23:36 CEST 2016 from (24.114.74.235)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: couples

Ahem, Garth and Maud?


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:19:51 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Bob F

Absolutely mate.

Same principle applies to both - and each stands as testimony to validate the conclusion reached by Pete at the end of his article.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:05:10 CEST 2016 from (24.44.153.18)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Let It Be

Al, can't we say the same thing about Let It Be? From Two Of Us to Get Back it's all perfect. To hear the two of them singing together on Two of Us and I Got A Feeling always makes me happy. I've always really loved that album.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 14:58:32 CEST 2016 from (131.137.35.8)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: spouse bands

Tedeschi Trucks
Whitehorse
Richard & Linda Thompson
Ike & Tina

I think the American Fleetwood Mac had a couple sets, maybe even simultaneous . . . .


Entered at Mon Oct 3 14:29:58 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Try again. Lauryn Hill singing Marley's "Turn Your Lights Down Low".
It was at this Marley Birthday celebration that I was first exposed to Ben Harper as well.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 14:23:04 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Couples In Music:

Talking Heads Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz
Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo
Bob and Rita Marley Bob Marley and The Wailers
Paul and Linda McCartney Wings
Sonny and Cher
Louuuu and Laurie Anderson
Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa

Rita Marley introduces Lauryn Hill who has five children with Bob Marley's son Rohan (former partner) who you'll see on stage at the end. I have to see Lauryn Hill somewhere! I was at Montreal's Jazzz Fest this summer but she was performing week after we left. :-(((((


Entered at Mon Oct 3 13:38:28 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Siblings of three...
Neville Brothers
Gatlin Brothers
The Jonas Brothers
The Isley Brothers...I was at our SARS Fest but unfortunately missed them!!!:-(( We arrived when The Guess Who were on stage singing "American Woman".
Debarge Family

Female Siblings
Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart
Cedella Marley and Sharon Marley (adopted by Bob from Rita's previous relationship) of Ziggy Marley and The Melody Makers
Carnie and Wendy Wilson of Wilson Phillips

Helloooo Jersey Girl!! Such a great surprise to see you drop by this morning!! I have been getting a lot of spam from The Netherlands and then one day your name appeared in my mailbox but it looked suspicious so I didn't open it up. If it really was from you please let me know. I always appreciate your presence here. :-D


Entered at Mon Oct 3 12:34:39 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: PV

Hey pete - just reflecting on what you said about Beatles For Sale being the weakest Beatles album mainly as a result of their ceaseless touring.

If ever a statement truly got to the heart of the entire phenomenon then yours is surely it.

Possibly/arguably alongside Let It Be I actually tend to agree that it would constitute the lesser of their albums.

And yet.....

No Reply
I'm A Loser
Baby's In Black [surely now afforded Beatles classic status following the Shea Stadium film]
8 Days A Week
I'll Follow The Sun
What You're Doing
Every Little Thing
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party

Three [after Shea possibly four] all time Beatle classics plus two terrific albeit undervalued Beatle crackers plus a simple wistful Paulie ballad plus one of the all time great singalongaBeatle tracks.

Almost every other pop music act would kill their grannies to have cobbled that little lot together. And it was their weakest effort!!!

The mind really does boggle.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 3 12:19:39 CEST 2016 from (65.95.179.100)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: April Wine

Yes, of course, April Wine.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 12:18:36 CEST 2016 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Norm's daughter Amanda

Wow.

That is truly something Norm. An exceptional show of love and character. You should be so immeasurably proud of her.

What Amanda has done is such a rarity in this day and age of self, self, fucking self that it really does take the breath away. I just wish I was close enough to give her a hug to end all hugs!!

:-0)

My own cousins Pam, Lynne and Dave are displaying their own brand of sibling love to their precious brother Steveas his life ebbs away. It requires huge self-sacrifice and devotion to integrate into their everyday existence the sort of love and care which they and your Amanda are displaying.

It's only when you try doing it even for brief interludes that the enormity of what is involved truly strikes a chord.

Many thanks for posting it Norm.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Oct 3 09:51:13 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I didn't see the rule of three, so The Shangri-Las count twice for me.

Of course if it's two The Kinks and Dire Straits lead the pack.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 08:36:55 CEST 2016 from (74.102.33.217)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Hmmm. Maybe the Shangri-las don't count. The two sisters weren't related to the twins.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 08:35:04 CEST 2016 from (74.102.33.217)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: sibling groups

Peter, did you forget The Shangri-las? My personal favorites. Two sisters plus twin sisters.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 04:43:04 CEST 2016 from (67.84.77.78)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Pete, Jerry's minimum was three siblings in the band. Or we'd go on ad infinitum.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 03:41:05 CEST 2016 from (64.229.181.207)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Thanks for passing along the news about Oscar Brand, not that I knew he was still alive. I knew his "Something To Sing About" (or was it "This Land Of Ours") as sung by the Travellers very very well, as it was the theme song for a long-running CBC show for teens, back when I was such. Because of that, the Travellers' "Something To Sing About" (or was it "This Land Of Ours") was the third LP in my 'collection', after the first Lightfoot and the second Ian and Sylvia. (There's a decent chance that the Travellers' guitarist on the album was either David Rea or Amos Garrett, both of whom they used, in Amos's case a lot.)

As for Oscar's "Bawdy Songs" LP, it's something I couldn't find when I really wanted it and didn't really want anymore when it later turned up. When I was 18 we moved to a place with a Radio Shack around the corner, and the Radio Shack had a rack of deletes, one of which was the Jim Messina and the Jesters LP. Because it was on the same label, it had a picture of Oscar's "Bawdy Songs" on the back - and I'll never forget two of the titles: "Charlotte The Harlot" and "Blinded By Turds". Sounded hilarious to me and my peers at the time; are they?


Entered at Mon Oct 3 01:38:43 CEST 2016 from (70.68.113.53)

Posted by:

Lisa

Subject: Amanda

Kudos to your daughter for her compassion and understanding. It's a tough, tough situation.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 00:55:52 CEST 2016 from (208.181.205.134)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Siblings?????????!

So I come home from days at sea and working my ass off moving junk around to find all-a-yuz screwing up again.

Jerry.......JERRY!.......gawd damn it! just a while back we were acknowledging "April Wine". Take a look at who started that BAND!

I have a story for you that is truly gut wrenching and shocking. My two youngest children, now 35 yrs. and 33. My youngest daughter Amanda is 33, with a daughter and son 6 and 4. Her mother remarried a couple of times after our marriage. With her last husband she had two more children. Her youngest daughter "Amy", now about 23 became a drug addict. She ended up living on the drag in Vancouver down on those skid row streets.

Amanda finally found her, and with Amanda living in Nanaimo it took her several trips over on the ferries but she finally found her sister and got her to a hospital. She would have died within days. Amanda has now brought her and her boy friend to her home and is getting them into rehab to help with their recovery.

I an so proud of Amanda it hurts. She is such a strong young woman, she loves hard with compassion and no judgement. She will never give up on anything or any one. She has a very big family on her mother's side as her mother has 14 brothers and sisters. No one except Amanda would help Amy. They would all just rather she went away.

It is hard to watch what this horrible addiction can do to a beautiful young woman.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 21:25:15 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sisters (are doing it for themselves)

After noting THE EVERLY BROTHERS - the best sibling band ever

Ronnie & Estelle Bennett in The Ronettes

The Beverly Sisters

The McGuire Sisters

The Webb Sisters

Clannad

The Unthanks- Rachel & Becky

The Dixie Cups

The Honeys

Kate & Annie McGarrigle

The Simomn Sisters: Carly & Lucy Simon

The Pointer Sisters

Dionne & Dee Dee Warwick

The Roches

Sister Sledge


Entered at Sun Oct 2 16:20:35 CEST 2016 from (99.229.224.79)

Posted by:

JOHN D

Subject: Danko Brothers

Rick drew inspiration from the music of his eldest brother, Junior. Danko's second-eldest brother, Dennis, was an accomplished songwriter, and his younger brother, Terry, also became a musician. There you have the four, Bill.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 15:08:29 CEST 2016 from (24.224.128.101)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: RIP Oscar Brand

Oscar lived to be 96. There are Youtube clips available of his TV show, one featuring a very young Joni Mitchell. An adult in our family had a record of his 'Bawdy Songs' that I wasn't supposed to know of. It was never kept with the rest of our modest collection. And yes, I did sneak it out on occasion for the listening pleasure of the local juveniles.

Born in Winnipeg; raised in Brooklyn.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 03:28:30 CEST 2016 from (97.92.250.170)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Down is Up

Hi All! Peter, "I'm Down" does have it's fans. You can see John do is elbow schtick on The Ed Sullivan Show too. They never really gave George a song on Ed, now that I think about it, though Ringo got one.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 03:02:37 CEST 2016 from (64.229.181.207)

Posted by:

Bill M

Weren't there four Danko brothers, and three Manuel brothers? Did Rick or Richard spend any time in brother acts (not counting Terry in Rick's band)?


Entered at Sun Oct 2 02:04:13 CEST 2016 from (24.114.69.196)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: There's also the Rankins, with maybe five siblings at the start. And the McGarrigle sisters were originally three. Jeffrey Hatcher and the Big Beat had three brothers, but two dropped away and Jeff teamed up in Vancouver with the oldest of the Cowsill siblings, Bill, to form the wonderful Blue Shadows (two CDs). They really connected: Bill died of booze and Jeff quit music, went to university and emerged as an addiction researcher.

BEG: Peter Moore, who engineered the Cowboy Junkies breakout "Trinity Sessions" and most of their subsequent albums, won a Grammy last year for his phenomenal work on the Basement Tapes reissue.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 01:52:00 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Jay birds

BEG: Watching in Vic!


Entered at Sun Oct 2 00:08:54 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sister of Margo Timmins and sister of boyzzz in Cowboy Junkies in "Sun Comes Up Its Tuesday Morning". I think the other member is a cousin.

Huuuge game for our Toronto Blue Jays in an hour so.....Off I go.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:52:45 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lou's fave cover of "Sweet Jane".....Rollie's girl. I would see The Cowboy Junkies at The Clinton Tavern before the USA became aware of them.

Btw Rollie would have been 58 last month. He was one of my best buddies on this site. He embraced my idiosyncrasies and we almost met in TO as his buddies Carlos Del Junco and Tony Furtado were in town. I did end up seeing both musicians. I really miss him so much.

Cowboy Junkies also have a sister who acted on Ryan's Hope and a sister who is a buyer if my memory serves me well at Holt, Renfrew. When I worked at this upscale store while a student (my sales were the lowest) there was an old elevator that would take you upstairs and I swear.....The only thing that saved me as I had to deal with the privileged was........The guy letting us on and off the elevator.........Twin of Robbie Robertson!


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:42:33 CEST 2016 from (70.121.40.130)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: siblings

The Staple Singers!


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:27:08 CEST 2016 from (174.91.166.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jackson Five
Sister Sledge
Beach Boyzzz
The Andrews Sisters
Ziggy Marley and The Melody Makers...Anyone know who the guitarist is here? At first I thought maybe "Cat" from Third World was playing some tasteful guitar with them but the clip is from Brazil. Maybe they were on the same bill or maybe??


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:20:55 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Corrs not Corps: Geez (correction again)

Thats - Corrs


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:19:14 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: What I found

Some bands have members who are now gone: Beachboys, Bee Gees,

Anathema, an English band, formerly death-doom metal, later alternative rock, Daniel, Vincent, and Jamie Cavanagh; John and Lee Douglas

. The Boswell Sisters, an American close harmony singing group, Martha, Connee and Helvetia "Vet" Boswell

. Corps:Celtic folk rock band, Andrea, Sharon, Caroline, and Jim Corr.

The Cowsills, an American popular music family band that includes siblings Bill, Bob, Paul, Barry, John, and Susan

. .

INXS, Australian rock band, Tim Farriss, Andrew Farriss, Jon Farriss.

The Jackson 5, an American popular music family group, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine (later replaced by Randy), Marlon, and Michael Jackson

. Kings of Leon, an American rock band, Caleb, Nathan, and Jared Followill.

The Maccabees, British indie rock band, brothers Felix, Hugo, and Will White.

Madina Lake, an American rock band, Nathan Leone and Matthew Leone (identical twins).

. The Moffatts, a Canadian pop/rock band, Scott and triplets Bob, Clint, and Dave

. . The Nolans, an Irish/English family music group, Bernie Nolan, Anne Nolan, Maureen Nolan, Linda Nolan, Coleen Nolan, Denise Nolan.

The Osmonds, an American family music group, Alan, Wayne, Merrill, Jay, Donny, Marie, and Jimmy Osmond.

Sister Sledge, an American musical group, Kim Sledge, Debbie Sledge, Joni Sledge, and Kathy Sledge

. . The Wilson Family, an English folk music group composed of six siblings.

Then of course there is: The Andrews Sisters and The Lennon Sisters


Entered at Sat Oct 1 23:19:06 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.221)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: JT

The Andrews sisters..

the Lemon Sisters

The Pointer Sisters

The Cowsills

The Jackson 5

The Osmond Brothers .

The Hudson Brothers.

The Falco Brothers. A Long Island Band.. Andy Falco & his two brothers. Andy is a member of The Infamous Stingdusters, plays with Phil Lesh occasionally & Joss Stone whenever his schedule allows, was on my school For Fools project and is part of my still unfinished Natural Born Schmoozers project.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 22:52:20 CEST 2016 from (184.66.35.201)

Posted by:

JT

Web: My link

Subject: 3 or more sibs in a band?

Margo, Michael and Peter Timmins are sibs in Cowboy Junkies. They have been in the band together since the late 80s.

Can anyone think of any other band with 3 or more sibs?


Entered at Sat Oct 1 19:35:26 CEST 2016 from (67.84.79.221)

Posted by:

Jeff A.

Subject: Pete

Pete, answering your proclamation:"I know it's MASTERING rather than MEDIUM that makes the difference because the "off vinyl CD" sounds just like the vinyl. The original CD doesn't. One of the more striking examples. I've linked the You Tube version for those who don't know this 1978 song. " would take a lot of work. For now, let me point out, when ones mix from your recording tape,and you run a split, in other words you mix to tape and to a digital hard drive simultaneously, your 1/4" or 1/2" analogue mixes sound very noticeably different from your mixes on cd.

The production processes are very different as well.

And in the case of taking a album that was mastered and manufactured in the 60s, 70s, or 80s,and making a cd... now you are going back to an original master or vinyl, and digitizing it... Even if it is possible to make a flat transfer, of course it will sound different. Medium, production, totally different. Of course they will sound different.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 15:22:41 CEST 2016 from (184.66.96.75)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria & Toronto intermittently

Subject: Cowboy Junkies

Cowboy Junkies: Mary Winspier Theatre: Sidney (By The Sea), BC. Sept 30, 2016: Perfection! The first set: from 'Notes Falling Slow', their recent work; the second set from their previous work, including 'Sweet Jane' and in the encore 'Don't Let It Bring You Down' ('Just find someone who's turning; and you will come around'). If you don't know Cowboy Junkies, you've missed something.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 13:11:42 CEST 2016 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Vinyl finds

My local record shop has had a series of great near-mint 70s albums recently. They're so near mint that we can't find a spindle mark on them, and I have a pile that I'm working through. They all sound like new. Great suff … Claudia Lennear, Geoff Muldaur, Leon Russell, P.F. Sloan, James Montgomery Band. As I've been working through I've been putting some tracks onto CD. One was New Orleans Ladies by Louisiana's Leroux.

That's off my copy - the shop still has the one it's bought in, but I'm giving the shop owner a copy, and that is a key track among them. I have the LP and the CD, and it's on a "favourites" play list in the car that I play a lot. To match sound, I put the vinyl on the CD I'm compiling. The in car one which I know backwards, is off CD. The vinyl beats the pants off it. Way clearer, particularly in the treble registers.

I know it's MASTERING rather than MEDIUM that makes the difference because the "off vinyl CD" sounds just like the vinyl. The original CD doesn't. One of the more striking examples. I've linked the You Tube version for those who don't know this 1978 song.


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