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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, October 2011


Entered at Mon Oct 31 23:20:17 CET 2011 from (81.159.30.159)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Happiness

I refuse to believe that you can watch this and not feel happier.

What do you think, Bob W?


Entered at Mon Oct 31 22:11:34 CET 2011 from (70.50.67.193)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ramble Question

I note on the Levon website in the ticket information area – that “Canadian residents must pay with bank checks, credit cards and money orders that draw on U.S. banks only!

Question: Based on above.....anyone here order tickets from Canada before and how difficult was it – if at all? I would appreciate any feedback...I did call the studio but just got an answering machine and given the long distance - not sure if they will call back.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 20:38:34 CET 2011 from (99.141.20.179)

Posted by:

Adam

Bill - where does Levon speak/sing on those tracks?

Also, has anyone ever noticed that Ronnie Hawkins' "You Know I Love You" from AMH is an alternate take? It's in wide stereo on the box set, maybe from unused session tapes or something. But Robbie's lead guitar part is different than the mono "original take" version.

I also wonder if Roy Buchanan played bass on more than "Hey! Bo Diddley" and "Who Do You Love". There's some tracks with basic rhythm guitar, Robbie lead guitar, and bass. It seems unlikely that Robbie would have overdubbed a rhythm guitar, or played the lead guitar as an overdub. I don't know. Maybe Fred Carter was along for some of those sessions as an extra musician - that acoustic guitar on "Honey Love" could be him. Although Ronnie has an extensive session discography on his site, I'm sure there are minor errors (I've noticed a few) that leave some room for the possibility.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 19:55:59 CET 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

sadavid: You're right - file it under boring. As for the writing credit, I'm prepared to accept Ronnie's claim in the absence of others. (Jacqueline McGill can safely be disregarded on the grounds that she was Morris Levy's girlfriend and/or secretary at the time.)

Speaking of, note the follow-on link (replicated above) to "There's A Screw Loose" / "High Blood Pressure", our guys' last 45 with Hawkins, I believe. Nice organ upfront on both. Note also that Levon has spoken parts on both sides. TASL starts out in a Johnny Rivers clapalong-poolparty mode, but then I got to thinking that it was more like the little cocktail jazz combo playing behind Peter Sellers' antics in "The Party". If only Levon had uttered 'birdy num num'!


Entered at Mon Oct 31 19:12:48 CET 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: The Odessa File

3:23, but it seems longer. That's value for money, son!
From the great songwriting team of Hawkins / McGill -- what else did they write?

Coincidentally, a student of McGill University contributed to the death of Harry Houdini 85 years ago today . . . .


Entered at Mon Oct 31 19:00:29 CET 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Band vs BeeGees (cont'd) ...

Richard Bell's title track to "Jericho" versus the Brothers Gibb's "New York Mining Disaster, 1941. Compare and discuss.

Also, imagine what a zoo "Marly Purt Drive" will be tonight, what with Barry Gibb's 35 kids out trick or treating.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 18:35:42 CET 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Ring of Fire or Quick There Goes a Bee Gee

Peter V: The Bee Gees did relocate down South to Miami, where they often recorded at Criteria Studios. It just so happens that Ronnie Hawkins also recorded one of his versions of "Odessa" there. Barry Gibb also purchased the former home of Johnny & June Carter Cash in Hendersonville, Tenn. Sadly, the home burnt to the ground in 2007 during renovation construction before Mr. Gibb could get use to singing "back with my wife in Tennessee".


Entered at Mon Oct 31 18:03:59 CET 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Odessa steps

I can't see The Bee Gees whoring around with ladies of the night in Oklahoma or Texas. Remember, they admitted they had thought Massachusetts was a Caribbean island when they wrote the song. Someone asked why, in that case, they'd be hitching' a ride to San Francisco, and they said 'to catch a boat' revealing at least double geographical ignorance. They'd never have found their way that far south.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 17:15:18 CET 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Odessa

Bill M: Thanks for adding the other Odessa connection -- a song that Ronnie Hawkins chose to record several times over his career.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 16:34:24 CET 2011 from (70.50.67.193)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Testing…..news today that the planet just welcomed person number 7 billion………………wonder when they will get around to the Brown album.......................sadavid……...”and his hair was perfect” was always my favourite line from that song.

….. and no more jokes about “Canadian weather” from you folks in New York………..we had it balmy and beautiful up here…..


Entered at Mon Oct 31 16:24:34 CET 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: If you see Odessa, tell her I'm coming home ...

David P: I think it was Greil Marcus who theorised that Odessa and Bessie (in UoCC, if not "Bessie Smith"*) were the same favourite southern prostitute in the Hawks' earlier days.

Otherwise, re the BeeGees and our guys, I see "Marly Purt Drive" as the intersection.

* Re how the two Bessies might fit together, see the sketch of Rick and Robbie getting together to co-write that someone posted here a couple years ago.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 15:53:32 CET 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Back in the U.S.S.R.

"Odessa, How strong am I?"
(from the song written by Barry, Robin & Maurice Gibb)

Word is that EMI's recorded music division, home to the catalogs of the Three-B's (Beatles, Beach Boys & The Band) and others, is about to be sold to a Russian-born billionaire, Len Blavatnik. Mr. Blavatnik, who was born in Odessa and emigrated to the U.S.A., founded Access Industries. Earlier this year, on a May day, he purchased Warner Music.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 15:26:24 CET 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: lookin' for Li Ho Phuk's

The radios are playing Songs for All Hallows' Eve . . . this one caught my ear. Nicely assertive rhythm section, Fleetwood / Mac by all accounts. The rhythm guitar is lovely.

What really impressed me was the poetry of the line, "Little old lady got mutilated late last night." That's brilliant.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 15:06:49 CET 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Johnnie Johnson

According to evidence introduced in Johnnie Johnson's unsuccessful copyright lawsuit, Keith Richards wasn't the only musician who felt that Mr. Johnson deserved some co-writing credit. As the Judge noted in his ruling:

"Plaintiff's deposition testimony reveals a number of conversations over the years with other musicians, including Keith Richards, Bo Diddley and Little Richard, in which they suggested to plaintiff that he might have been a co-owner of the copyright in the Berry/Johnson Songs and therefore entitled to royalties deriving from them. Mr. Johnson testified that he had such a conversation with Keith Richards as far back as the early 1980's."

The Berry/Johnson Songs referred to in the lawsuit include 33 titles, encompassing most of his best known recordings. It's interesting to note that one of the songs is "Surfin' U.S.A.", which was the Beach Boys note-for-note cover of "Sweet Little Sixteen", with new lyrics by Brian Wilson. Following litigation years ago, Mr. Berry was awarded co-writing credit and a share of the royalties of that song.


Entered at Mon Oct 31 13:50:24 CET 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Postscript

P.S.:How do I know what will cause our demise?

Let's just say- I can "see around corners"

There!

That qualifies as a band connection!

P.P.S.: Obviously our farts are technological not biological!


Entered at Mon Oct 31 11:58:14 CET 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: global warming

It has been said that cow farts contribute greatly to global warming, just think what dinosaur farts must have done!

Perhaps, like us, they caused their own demise...


Entered at Mon Oct 31 08:42:52 CET 2011 from (41.97.206.245)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: overwhelming use of the street organ

Pierre Bachelet, French singer with a distinctive warm vocal timbre, he doesn’t play the star, not prolific but every number he wrote was a hit, he discovered himself talents of songwriter and performer with the theme song of porn movie “Emmanuelle”.

I merely enjoyed many songs and the singer, the singer whom I always found him a Belgian feel, indeed he has no link with Belgium at the absolute, he’s from Calais.

Marionettiste [linked above] – rarely street organs appeared in a modern variety song, and I believe never in a modern variety song, Rock music included, is made a better use of the street organ. This very beautiful song even promoted it at the radio variety hit,, how the street organ notes thread their way with the hackneyed parts of the electronics and meet at their climax the too much human charm of the vocals, the Apotheosis.

Enjoy, and for the Band connection, at the break try to answer this trivia :

Give the title of a The Band song where, though not at the level of Marionettiste (let’s remain adult), it is made a subtle use, almost imperceptible, of the Salvation Army like organ street play

Those who answered Rags and Bones NLSC : erroneous
Those who answered Chest Fever MFBP : approved

to join the GB and those talks about innocence, but can somebody enlighten me please, what is the guilt ? exactly


Entered at Sun Oct 30 21:14:12 CET 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Complex guy. He did tons for charity (hence the knighthood), but was the ultimate lowest common denominator presenter on Top of The Pops. He was compelling, but awful. He owned night clubs around here and I heard mainly bad things locally.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 21:02:27 CET 2011 from (24.44.101.8)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: famous British broadcaster dies

The link is to a story about a famous British broadcaster that just passed away. I've never heard of him before but thought I'd share the story and am interested in hearing thoughts about him from those that have.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 18:47:15 CET 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Location: Snowy New York

Subject: Testing

For all the non believers, Climate change is Real. A snowstorm in October! I remember being upset at Halloween because I had to wear a coat over my costume(probably a "princess" as usual) but to need snow boots a parka is ridiculous.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 16:59:47 CET 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: TTB

Chris is a great great keys guy.Head and shoulders above their usual player and sans horns they are not as offensive.The Crossroads show was much better than their usual shows and the guests,particularly Los Lobos and Warren Haynes added a lot.Midnight in Harlem is a good song,but most of their original material is very weak.Further,the virtuosity of Derek Trucks is minimized is this band.The horns add an element of disaster and Derek might benefit from listening more closely to the Rock of Ages horns or Levon's horns to see/hear how to best integrate horns into a band.Glad you enjoyed their Crossroads performance where they filled in for the Allman's while Gregg was undergoing a liver transplant.But,the band you saw at Crossroads is not the TTB as it is.Their album is amazingly weak,boring and uninspired.Sad to see from one of my favorite musicians.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 16:21:01 CET 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jed's comments

Well Jed I think you must have a valid opinion; because you are much deeper into that scene than me. I was basing my comments on Crossroads 2010. I think Midnight In Harlem is a gem. There were no horns in that performance. Just Susan, Derek, 2 drummers, bass and keyboards. Sounded great to me. I guess I would have to see a full live performance to say more. As I said I loved Midnight in Harlem; but I did notice that their other material came from Bonnie and Delaney and Joe Cocker.

At my age, I loved that and I really liked how they got off on Chris Stainton playing with them. Susan was like a kid watching him play the Leon Russell parts and she's 41. She says in the film that she never really put Clapton, Bonnie and Delaney, Mad Dogs etc. together. That kind of surprised me; but she is over 20 years younger than I am. By the way I just love to watch her sing.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 14:15:44 CET 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Don't Do it, This week, 1972

im listening to 70's on 7 on SiriusXM. they are doing replay of Casey's top 40 from Oct 1972 and coming in at number 35 (they are at 37 right now) Don't Do It.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 14:11:30 CET 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Test test

Why not?


Entered at Sun Oct 30 14:05:00 CET 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: testing, testing

I think I'm innocent, therefore I am.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 13:55:23 CET 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Blocking of IPs

We're currently blocking quite a wide range of IP addresses from posting in this guestbook. Unfortunately, this may affect "innocent" users -- if you are denied posting entries here by the web server, then please send us an e-mail and we'll sort it out.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 13:38:29 CET 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Carmen, I reckon it's Elvis. He's been hiding out far too long now.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 12:11:20 CET 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Tedeschi Trucks Band

Interesting how people hear music differently.I've been an avid follower of Derek Truck's music since he was a child prodigy at age 10.The new band he and Susan put together is a huge letdown.The horns are horrendous,the band is sloppy,the material boring and the musicians second rate compared to Derek's outings with the Allmans,Clapton,Santana,Herbie Hancock, and even his prior band,the Derek Trucks Band.Personally,his new band is a huge disappointment.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 11:22:51 CET 2011 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Levon RR Dawes

Ari- RR is no longer playing the World Cafe Live with the Dawes. He is being replaced with a Very Very "Special" guest. My first thought weas Levon. They wont say.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 09:48:56 CET 2011 from (41.97.142.176)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: if you liked Hexagone, this song has to be cited

There is a very special relationship fan-to-model between Baaziz and Renaud, the former adapted and covered the quasi totality of the songs of the latter, the latter reworked [instrumentally] most of his songs after hearing the cover versions, and and the end of the trip Baaziz played the opening part of Renaud concerts in tours during two years

"Hexagone" covered-adapted by Baaziz, link above, ×2 nasty, to everybody their own Republic

Always the same parties, Fighting for the seat, May they let me alone
I vomit little Bourgeoisie, Mercedes and dirty mindset, Meanwhile I suffer in the busses
On TV they show Teachers on strike, They call them the lazy
I don’t mind of school, I like football, A whole people of psychopaths

Intellectuals without testicles, They exchanged the pen for the brush
Arabophone or Francophone, none of them is a man
All the youngsters are in the airports, the old timers in the bars, the Barbarians in the Boulevards
There are crowds in the mosques, half of them are falling asleep, why don’t they pray at home

The phone bell rang, the President just resigned
They told me "Thanks to God, the new one is handsome"
All of them dogs, Couscoussian Republic, Each new week a new President
I hope to see them all wiped out over a trapped chair

Tadadaaaan….



Entered at Sun Oct 30 03:09:58 CET 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Susan Tedeschi Derek Trucks Band

When I first saw the Crossroads 2007 DVD I was taken by the husband and wife team. I was just given as a gift the 2010 Crossroads and I am impressed more than ever. Watching Susan Tedeschi sing Midnight In Harlem; from their new album Revelator really moves me. I'm hoping they put out their own full length DVD. The bass player and keyboard player; along with their two backup singers (Mike Mattison sings lead when he is with the Derek Trucks band) blow me away. I hope they come to the great white north one day.


Entered at Sun Oct 30 02:38:08 CET 2011 from (65.93.118.131)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Crime scene

"Entries deleted. IP blocking range widened. The four IPs used, from blackberry.net, all seem to trace back to Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. The hunt is on." Good god, Serenity! Take cover, girl!


Entered at Sun Oct 30 00:01:35 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Someone sent me this link tonight, not sure if it even originates from here, 2009 was a bit foggy... "carpe penis"? Jeez.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 23:49:59 CEST 2011 from (216.165.95.66)

Posted by:

ari

Subject: Has anybody seen this funny bit of info?

The Levon Helm Band Guest, Jimmy Vivino Guest, Dawes Special Event - No Comps, Guests or Ticket Switching. Dawes is playing with Levon? Anybody think there may also be another SURPRISE GUEST (hint hint). I doubt it but how do you think they got in touch?


Entered at Sat Oct 29 22:30:03 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Sat Oct 29 22:20:09 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Chuck's recitation was mentioned sometime in the distant past (by me). I agree, Robbie with Chuck is a great DVD extra, one of the few worthwhile ones really.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 15:53:05 CEST 2011 from (78.145.127.126)

Posted by:

Zak

Subject: Hail Hail R&R

I don't think anyone has mentioned the poetry Chuck recited while Robbie played acoustic guitar? I thought this was one of the best moments on the epic DVD extras.The other great thing was The Everlys, Jerry Lee Lewis, and other legends basically talking about the history of Rock 'n' Roll. It must be the greatest DVD with the best extras EVER!


Entered at Sat Oct 29 14:52:41 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Just a little test as we're wading through millions of log file entries and rewriting some of that 15 year old perl code. We should find him somewhere in here...


Entered at Sat Oct 29 13:30:53 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Entries deleted. IP blocking range widened. The four IPs used, from blackberry.net, all seem to trace back to Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. The hunt is on.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 12:35:24 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Memorabilia

Just to clarify that i haver have received an autograph.Never had interest in that.But, in addition to stuff I mentioned in earlier post,I am lucky enough to have a couple of set lists from Grateful Dead,Dylan, and Levon Rambles.For a guy who cares just a wee bit about material things these items are very important to me.Love hearing what people own!


Entered at Sat Oct 29 12:30:52 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: PutemUp--Michigan

Never had the honor of even visiting Michigan let alone living there.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 11:03:14 CEST 2011 from (69.253.214.48)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the turtle pond

Subject: memorabilia

Just moved five of my turtles indoors from their backyard pond, where they've been since April. Snow is forecast tomorrow night. When I settled in to read the GB, I saw that Jed had reiterated the memorabilia question. I usually don't collect autographs or memorabilia, preferring to enjoy seeing and hearing musicians play live. However, I save Midnight Ramble badges or stickons, and one night Perry awarded my wife and me with a setlist. I have a photo of David Lindley autographing my nine year old son's bicep in 1998. Somewhere, tucked into a Rolling Stones album in my vinyl archives is a black and white publicity photo from about 1965 with Mick and Bill Wyman's autographs in pencil. For Christmas about 20 years ago my wife's brother gave me a Hohner Marine Band harmonica that Levon left behind in a studio in Manayunk. And a favorite of mine is hanging from the rear view mirror in my car. I had seen Fela Kuti play to a very packed room at Philadelphia's Chestnut Cabaret. He had a 20 piece band including 3 lovely young ladies. My wife's brother and another guy were with me, but they went home around 12:45. The band played until 2:30 or later, and the crowd really thinned out. When they finished and were loading out, one of the singers approached me in the nearly empty club and said, "All of your friends have gone home, but you stayed" (How nice of her to notice!) and she took off a set of Yoruba beads she was wearing, and put them around my neck. Sometimes I'll wear them around my wrist when I go out to hear West African music. Last time I went to NYC to see King Sunny Ade, several Nigerians in the crowd commented on them, recognizing their place of origin. The young lady turned out to be one of Fela's seventeen wives. I saw Jerry Jeff Walker play in Alexandria, and at a table about 10 feet away from me sat newly elected Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Tipper and Hillary laughing and singing along. As soon as the show ended I went over and swiped the placemat and "Reserved" sign from their table.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 10:03:25 CEST 2011 from (41.97.158.16)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Renaud's French Calendar

Hilda : great post, what you say about what Ray Charles feelings may have been, are the nearer I imagined without being able to express it with such clarity, and maybe the most likely to the fact

Hexagone –

I always listened this wonderful song of Renaud with a certain neutrality which made me think, knowing who is Renaud, that he added some unnecessary nastiness just for poetic rhythms and rhymes. ….Until yesterday

September :

"Fascism is gangrene in Santiago as in Paris" [NB – Santiago, In the original version, Bogota in the linked above more recent]

I was too used to the infamous acts in Stadium of Santiago, Chile, in 1973, the assassination of thousands among them the poet songwriter Victor Jara, executed after they cut his hands. That concept of a Stadium improvised in concentration camp get new enlightening on where Pinochet got his learning.

More relevantly [to my recent pots] is February :

"To make public order rule, They assassinate unpunished'"

actually this verse is the core of what made me always think that Renaud exaggerates a bit, being myself too used to the theory that any a Western country is top and model in matters of Respect of Human Rights, [depending on what Human]

On a completely different note, there's a little discrepancy from the guy who wrote the English subtitles in the linked above version

"In the month of June, They remember a Normandy invasion"

I thought it was a liberation, since it's the only error in the English subtitles, is it intended ?


Entered at Sat Oct 29 03:03:45 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Jed- do you live in michigan and if the answer is yes, then it's 99.9% we know each other.


Entered at Sat Oct 29 02:44:03 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Todd, i appreciate your long history of being a collaborationist. As far as my awareness of Keith's position relative here goes, he's been on record MANY ways regarding Berry/Johnson songwriting and songwriting credits, and his position that Johnnie created the majority of the music, including the lead riffs for a very long time. i've been familiar with this since the mid 80s..that is separate from what i was discussing and what i know that is not Keith's good, educated intuitive knowledge or hunch. Or possibly Keith heard it firsthand before tape rolled. What i was pointing out to you is that most of what you referreed did not actually happen, but Kevin wished it to look like it did happen. The argument that occurred was other, not the argument you referreed. But of course, your assumption that, like you, i would have liked JJ to get copyright is correct.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 23:31:21 CEST 2011 from (174.254.182.169)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Joan, Sorry to hear about your aunt. Sounds like she was a great lady and loss is tough at any age. But I'm glad that most of her years were healthy ones.

Pat, I'm familiar with the I-IV-V progression. In fact, it's my specialty......truth be told, it's the only one I really know! And as a harp player, I'm painfully aware of the various keys. I typically play diatonic harmonicas which are more or less limited to one key at a time depending upon playing style.....cross harp vs. straight etc. Obviously there were many influences that ended up in the rock and roll that was played by Chuck & Johnnie, but the point I was commenting on was the one made by Keith in the film....that a lot of the Chuck Berry songs had a very heavy piano (Johnnie) influence.

Jeff, You may not have been commenting on songwriting credits, but that was my take-away from what Keith was touching on in the movie. But if you haven't seen the movie, then I can't agree or disagree with your opinion of what Keith said. If you have a beef with Kevin, that's fine, but it doesn't impact my opinion of the props that Keith was very obviously trying to give to Johnnie.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 20:59:24 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Todd.. This was not about songwriting credits. My original post had nothing to do with songwrting credits. It had to do with genius and with musical creation. The only way you could connect songwriting credits to that post would be the possibly implied association existing credits may or may not have to creation. And there was nothing in my post to suggest that is where I was headed. I wasn't. I made one post, with one point, supported by the facts of what happened and a personal experience... Al's response to me had nothing to do with songwriting cedits. What followed,and what this was about. is Kevin not knowing any thing about anything that he followed with in his comment to Al. He misrepresented what i wrote and confused it with what Keith said, then was further incorrect writing that people should not believe that chuck did not write any of the music (which far as I know noone ever wrote or claimed) and that Keith made the documentary. My issue was that Kevin has no clue what the hell he was talking bout. Kevin returned to insist that Keith made my exact point. Kevin then was also wrong about Chess speeding up songs past their comments about the intial demo. Their reaction to the cover version of Ida May was to suggest speeding up the tempo and change the words, that is what led to Maybelline. which sounded damn different than Ida May, which again, was a cover song.. ...Maybelline sounded a hell of alot more like johnnie than chuck. When they suggested the change, Johnnie went to work. IdA may had sounded like the hillbilly type music chuck was fond of playing. again, it was a cover.Maybelline was johnnie going to work.... and then apparently having once doctored lyrics, chuck started writing more and more... apparently chess only had to suggest speeding things up once and it became chuck's standard response to johnnie's creations..i believe David brought up the lawsuit over copyrights to show that their was a concrete legal response to the claims of joint creation. againTodd, i did not argue with Kevin over songwriting credits...i argued with him over his profound insistence of repeated ignorance. Credit where it is due.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 20:42:07 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Hail Hail

Loved that movie,saw it the day it was released,and have great appreciation for what Keef did for Chuck.He provided him with a superb group of musicians and guests,while honoring Chuck's legacy through the music.Keef also gave Johnny many great musical introductions and opportunities,including having him as a member of the Expensive Winos.I saw them and Johnny's contributions musically were noteworthy and accorded respect by Keef.and the entire band.Keef gave Johnny a lot of his public dignity back well beyond the movie.Despite Keef's tough image,he's in fact a gentle man,an avid reader and thinker,and a very nice human being.A loyal friend,employer and family man that's rare these days.Yes,he may not get it all perfect,but neither does anyone.Merely the rhythm of human nature.Pretty daft again! None was interested in my memorabilia request/question from an earlier post down the road a bit...oh well,might have been a fun Internet type diversion! Great weekend fellow Band "mates".


Entered at Fri Oct 28 20:20:29 CEST 2011 from (24.44.101.8)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Chuck

I had the good fortune to be a guest at the grand opening of the Hard Rock Cafe in Orlando. Lots of VIPS and an All-Star house band that as the years go on, I forget more and more but Rick Derringer was the guitarist, the bass player was from Deep Purple and Gregg Allman was on Keyboards.., I can't recall the rest but they were notable at the time - anyway CHuck Berry was one of the guest super stars. He opened in rip-roaring fashion, then half way through the song stopped and walked off stage because too many people were taking pictures. A special announcement had to be made that he would only come back if everyone would stop taking pictures. Of course he came back on, I don't remember another flash going off but the show he put on was a barn burner.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 19:58:35 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Hillda

Is the battle over? Safe to come out now?

Hilda, I can appreciate your story of your father. My favorite Aunt who was 100 in may passed away yesterday. I am sad. but celebrating a life well lived.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 19:32:08 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Being called a "spineless ignoramus punk" has something of a Pythonesque quality to it, doesn't it? I imagine it said with a cartoon French accent, in which case the appropriate reply might be "I pass the pubic hair of my bum underneat' your nose."


Entered at Fri Oct 28 18:23:03 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

With Chuck Berry's music, if you co-wrote Maybellene, did you co-write Nadine? If you co-wrote Johnny B. Goode, did you then automatically get a credit for Bye Bye Johnny?


Entered at Fri Oct 28 18:19:47 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Todd, they used the same chord patterns (1-IV-V) but played them in keys not associated with the guitar and more associated with jazz/RnB. A friend of mine who backed CB up in the early 70's said he was surprised to discover that a lot of the songs were in the key of "around E-flat".


Entered at Fri Oct 28 17:49:49 CEST 2011 from (69.177.201.134)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Three Chord Monty

Pat, nobody said that JJ came up with “new” chords. The point that Richards was making was that the chords that were used in the songs were chords more common to piano rather than typical A D E major guitar chords typical to the rock and roll of the day. Yes I suppose horns too, but Richards doesn’t mention that in his evaluation. The premise being that the songs were written on piano rather than guitar. And I agree that the rhythmic pattern, which seems more guitar based, was a big part of it too, which indicates to me that the songs derived from the unholy union of the instruments rather than either in isolation.

But anyone looking for really freaky chords should try playing some of the early and mid-period Beatles tunes. Don’t know if that’s the Mersey beat influence or what, but some of those chords were entirely new to me the first time I sat down and tried to play some Beatles on guitar.

Bob F, Thanks for the kinds words. When I only post once every month or so, I seem to be able to lash my gibberish together in a way that almost makes sense.

Have a great weekend!


Entered at Fri Oct 28 17:22:42 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Chuck Berry is a well established jerk but he has his reasons. As is obvious, being a jerk is pretty easy. However, the thing about JJ coming up with new chords or new chord patterns doesn't fly. He did play in "Horn" keys of E-flat. A-flat, and B-flat, which belies a jazz/RnB background. From JJ's unbelievable playing, that makes sense. But the chugga chugga between the I and the IV chord--which is the rhythmic basis for almost every CB song-- goes back to the stride players and the NO school which predates Chuck and JJ by a good number of decades. None of this discounts the contributions JJ made to the CB songs by all accounts and the unfortunate circumstances that followed.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 17:13:51 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Note that long Robbie interview with Chuck on the DVD box set.

The "Oh, Carol" link was great of course. But having heard those who played in pick-up bands with Chuck they'd have loved to rehearse but thought the word wasn't in Chuck's vocabulary. Keef must have been tempted by the fourth restart to say, "Oh, by the way Chuck, the original words you wrote, "Don't let him steal your heart away" scan a lot better than what you're doing tonight, "Don't let him steal it away.'

I picked up an original London "Roll Over Beethoven' in 'excellent' condition for £3 last week. A mint copy lists at £50. But it listed at £70 two years ago. The price of 50s rock is falling steadily. A lot is coming on the market as people downsize and get rid of them (or die).


Entered at Fri Oct 28 16:03:44 CEST 2011 from (129.42.208.177)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Hudson Valley, NY

Subject: Todd's Post

Todd, great post! Best of the week. I saw Chuck Berry at the Felt Forum about a week or so after the all star show that Keith put together. The New York show had Dave Edmunds as the all star band leader. The tickets were high priced and Chuck played his standard less then an hour show. Not a good guy. After I read Keith's book I came away thinking he was a lousy guy also.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 14:58:23 CEST 2011 from (69.177.201.134)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Rumble In The Jungle

The basic point that Keith makes in the movie is that a lot of the songs credited to Chuck are based more on piano chords rather than typical Rock & Roll guitar chords, and how that came from Johnnie’s influence. Being the collaborationist that I am, I too feel that Johnnie should have gotten more credit than he did. Yeah lyrics by Chuck…music by Johnnie and Chuck. That would probably cover it.

But we’ve seen it happen many times before that lyrics seem to get the lion’s share of the songwriting credit no matter how amazing and original the music is. Lyrics without music is called POETRY. Cue up The Last Waltz and only watch the Lawrence Ferlenghetti and Michael McClure segments if lyrics without music is enough for anyone’s particular brand of rock and roll gumbo. For me it isn’t.

Perhaps Kevin J “misspoke” when he said that Keith “made” the movie, but anybody watching the film could reasonably come to the understanding that it was Keith’s baby regardless of what the film credits say. Keith was the music producer, and without someone pushing Chuck the way Keith pushes him in the movie, I doubt that it would have happened.

I agree with Jeff that Johnnie should have gotten more credit for his contributions. I agree with Kevin J that Richards comes off as somewhat hypocritical given his own history of not always sharing credit more equitably. But can’t we just all get along? It’s finally Friday……almost time to crack open a cold one and be thankful for the day.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 13:43:14 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.72)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Empty Now, artists and politics

I would like to add Billie Holiday . Strange Fruit is apolitical song in the strongest sense of the word. I can not look into the heart of Ray Charles at the time. but I imagine , being who and what he was and where he came from , he must have faced a terrible dilemma if he knew what was going on in Paris at that time .Segregation was still a fact and racial prejudice rampant. My most vivid memory from my teenage years was anewsreel about Little Rock Arkansas ,were kids my age were being escorted by the federal troops into the first integrated school. I happened to meet one of the girls in the newsreel because she married a dutch guy and lives here. I'm afraid atrocities against human beings ( and animals as well)will always be part of this world we live in. But that does not mean we should not speak out against it. But sometimes you can be in a situation were you have to choose.' Doing the right thing' can be very hard if not impossible. Here my biblical upbringing is kicking in: Judge not lest ye be judged. On a different note : on the Tom Waits album is a song called Last Leaf.It could be about my father. He is 94 years old and last year my mother died. He is the oldest living veteran of his regiment . His sister and brothers and all other contemporaries are dead. He calls himself lucky with his 9 out of 10 still living children 30 grandchildren and god knows how many great- grandchildren. I've lost count. He is planning a big party for his 95th birthday next year. He recently moved into a small assisted living apartment. He must feel like the leaf in the song but he will never admit to that. He does not speak English so I will translate it and hope it will give us an opening to talk about it. Thank you Tom!


Entered at Fri Oct 28 11:35:55 CEST 2011 from (41.97.133.208)

Posted by:

Empty Now

excepted Woody Guthrie et al


Entered at Fri Oct 28 10:20:25 CEST 2011 from (41.97.133.208)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Ray Charles in Concert, 20 October 1961, Palais Des Sports, Paris

Hilda : I am always pleased with your gift, whatever is the subject, to point to the right reference “caché”

The linked page above in French language seems credible with all needed references, from which the following paragraph roughly translated

“On the night of October 17 to 18 in the identification centers

Between 17h and midnight, an endless stream of incessant police vans and buses requisitioned land between 6000 and 7000 Algerian at the Palais des Sports Porte de Versailles. During these operations, the bodies are sometimes stacked on top of each other. After an hour in the morning, the last 32 buses, containing 2623 "FMA" (French Muslims from Algeria, according to the name of the time) are directed to the Stade de Coubertin [43]. Hundreds of protesters injured were referred to hospitals. In five hospitals alone, there are 260 injured in hospital. Jean-Paul Brunet notes that of the 260 injured, 88 came from 19 and 21, which testify to the persistence of police brutality far beyond the night of October 17 [44]. Among police officers, ten was taken to the House Health peacekeepers for minor injuries. [43] Some of the wounded are hospitalized at the Palais Des Sports where 150 police officers who provide custody of inmates engaged in police brutality which the union says Gerard Monate in the following weeks "... from what we know, there was thirty cases absolutely indefensible "[43].
All internees are not systematically hit at the Palais Des Sports, but abused before the arrival, in police stations or during transport [43]. Jean-Luc Einaudi received many testimonies of conscripts assigned to the health service, social workers and even some police officers describing the "vision of horror" who seized the entrance to the Palais Des Sports or Stade de Coubertin [45]. Abuse of detainees continue until October 20 when the theater must be released for a concert of Ray Charles [46].

The reference [46] is annotated “House and MacMaster, Paris 1961, p.166”

My Reading

In fact Ray Charles was in the mouth of the tiger at T-Time.
With the eyes of what today’s stars of equal rank and the show business conditioned us, it is indeed hard to believe that Ray or anybody in his delegation (?Ertegun !oh no) kept distant “blind eyes” no pun intended.
Concerning the question of Ray Charles as a witness, for simplicity. Ray Charles was not supposed to take any political stand, he had to honor contract engagements first, in 1961 and before, there was no singer who ever took a political stand, the Rock stars started to use the music stage as political tribune long after.
All what I have are diffuse memories from instant documentaries and newspapers cuts, that I can with quasi-certainty summarize as

“a global declaration of sympathy for Africa from Ray Charles, which widely extends beyond the confinement of the 1961 Paris concert and context, not more.”

The “Lost Video” is a rare footage of Ray Charles concert in Paris 1961 which was recently found and announced for commerce, but I think it is strictly musical.

Thanks to everyone who enriched the debate, David P, Peter V, Hilda F


Entered at Fri Oct 28 06:54:34 CEST 2011 from (74.198.87.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Good Night......and enjoy the link - it might just calm you down.......I can see where you got the idea that I might have thought KR directed the picture......feel better....


Entered at Fri Oct 28 06:24:52 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

spineless ignoramus punk. kevin. that's you- not man enough to admit you wrote that Keith made the movie, so you want to act like you don't know what you wrote...this is the third time i;ve referred to it, and the second time i've pasted it. you know you wrote it, you know you are wrong, just don't have the stones you were born with to admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
YOUR WORDS: "and for a guy like Richards with a history of using Billy Preston songs and Ronnie Wood songs on Stones albums without any attribution at all to then make a documentary on Chuck Berry and level this charge without even talking to Berry about is beforehand always sat wrong with me….it was cowardly really."

i doubt you are fooling anyone, but clearly you don't have the stones to slug this out on your own...i'm used to fighting my own battles, I'm not looking for anyone to take my position,but you need to bring up Angie to try to garner support for yourself. Angie didn't run from anything i wrote, in fact , she dug in harder. When she wants to post, she posts.she has come and gone for years, that's her MO. but you don't have the balls to stand up and admit you were completely wrong, right down the line. and that you thought that Keith was the film maker (which was the least of the matter). instead you have to hide behind angelina's skirt. shame on you.. my emotions are fine kevin, you are the one who started out out of line, has stayed out of line, and wants to portray this as something other than you being wrong, straight down the line.try growing a pair.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 05:41:53 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

You wrote ” Again, I'll point out one more time that you were ignorant enough to write that Keith made the movie.” Point out where I said anything of the sort and I might just take the time to explain to you how your lack of even an elementary level of reading comprehension gets you in these emotional tailspins from time to time ………For the record, during one of Jeff’s recent episodes on this GB he thought it ok to compare one of our finest posters to a dog in an unflattering a way as possible……..when I called him on it, he refused to apologize and BEG has hardly been seen around here since……..I will let others be the judge of whether I am” fool” or “punk” but no person ever carrying our family name has ever been “spineless”…….we reserve that moniker to the kind of men that get their jollies out of hurting women and hurling insults at people from behind a keyboard.......It's just rock n roll Jeff....calm down, cut out the insults, be man enough to apologize when you are wrong and people around here and elsewhere might just give you the time of day when you are on the right track in defending a friend.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 05:21:39 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

long out of print, johnnie's bio contains a in depth conversation with chuck tillman. all i could find on the net was this, page 17 of a 1998 billboard ad..... aside from this,there were full page ads taken in the ny times, with hundreds of signatures/endorsements of major artists, all clamoring for johnnie to be in the RRHOF.



Entered at Fri Oct 28 03:37:34 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

David, i don't know if you still use the same e mail addres, but i sent you an email.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 03:01:19 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Kevin. i could care less about you saying that Keith and I may have said some of the same things...... even though you say we said exactly the same thing, when there may have only been some small overlap,, i could care less... but, i will now make the point that you are a two bit lying punk, because you want to avoid the fact that you wrote the followng-

Kevin here is what you wrote that is offensive, and untrue, and you want to avoid owning up to. Kevin's words, not mine:L "Be careful about believing all that about Chuck not writing any of the music…..remember he also was a piano player and like Dylan extremely well educated about the music that came before him. I have no doubt that JJ helped but not to the extent that others or even the courts believed………..and for a guy like Richards with a history of using Billy Preston songs and Ronnie Wood songs on Stones albums without any attribution at all to then make a documentary on Chuck Berry and level this charge without even talking to Berry about is beforehand always sat wrong with me….it was cowardly really." first, who do you think wrote or said Chuck did not write any of the music. and what would you knwo about what is or isn't songwriting anyway? Maybe he wrote some of it, maybe he didn't..That is not the issue.the issue is that johnnie was the key or major writer fo the msic. Again, I'll point out one more time that you were ignorant enough to write that Keith made the movie. keith did not. And I'll point again you want to relegate Johnnie's contribution to helping out but not to the extent that the courts believed...Well guess what... the courts never said if they believed it or not. But i'll tell you again,Johnnie johnson was no liar and you have no knwpledge of any of this. Johnnie did not help out. Chuck brought him lyrics, Johnneiu did the brunt of the creating of music..... And. you want to credit Chess with speeding up the songs. in your ignorance you have you have managed to confuse Chess's initial reaction to the first demo, with the songwriting process that ensued after.

I know why Johnnie suit was thrown out of court, it played out in the judges chambersit ws teh stage where the judge had to decide if the case could proceed.. . And that poor damn judge was looking for any reason to throw it out. Johnnie's lawyers approach was to overturn the statute of limtiations,.And he was right on the money.They had just about it overturned on solid ground. I'm not goiing to go into the facts or detail of the approach to overturn statute,. or how the defense and judge got around it in here, but......what judge would want to be the guy to overturn chuck berry's copyrights, and if the judge did allow the case to proceed, he would have been the judge that was faced with that.it was the point where the judge had to decide dois the case proceed or not. A lot happened in the judge's chambers, and as soon as the judge had anything he could grab to us tot throw the case out on statute, he did...and it was a reach but he tossed it

i don't give a fuck what you want to write about me...far as i'm concerned you are a spineless punk. you can't write factually or maintain a fair argument, so you have to lie about what you wrote and what i responded to. You want to write something nasty about me , go right ahead.fact is fact, Johnnie was no liar,, and johnnie said what his role in the creation of the music was.

BTW. kevin, do you have the slightest idea who Chuck Tillman or Herb Tillman was? Right now i can't recall if his first name was Chuck or Herb,but he was the horn player that Johnnie and Chuck used to write down the music after they had it finallized. Neither of them could read or write music Tillman is on record as saying he was there and Johnnie was the key musical creator. chuck's lyrics, johnnie's music.


Entered at Fri Oct 28 02:35:42 CEST 2011 from (174.252.37.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Checking In

Lot's of interesting discussion here lately. Still swamped on the home front, but I wanted to chime in and say that the power of collaboration rates highly in my book vs. individual genius. Thus we get Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Berry/Johnson etc. Regarding The Band, the obvious choice would probably be Garth, but if I had to pick only one member for the musical genius category, I'd have to go with Rick. Been listening to a lot of early Band stuff recently, and am stunned anew by Rick's bass work, and his otherworldly vocals. This is not to take away from any of the other's magnifigance......but Rick just happens to be impressing me at this time.

Another possibly unconventional nominee in the musical genius category that popped into my head recently is the mighty Keith Moon from the horrible Who.....a true original. Be well everyone. Will check back soon.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 22:54:48 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Johnnie Johnson

Jeff can no doubt shed more light on the subject, but, for accuracy sake, I would note that Johnnie Johnson did file a federal lawsuit in 2000 against Chuck Berry and his publisher, Isalee Music Company, relating to various claims as co-creator of numerous songs copyrighted by Mr. Berry. His case, however, was thrown out under the provisions of the Copyright Act's three year statue of limitations provisions. The Judge ruled:

"Plaintiff's claims originate in events beginning more 45 years ago. The Court has here given consideration to each of plaintiff's arguments for relief from the apllicable statutes of limitations. The Court finds that no legal basis existts to permit the litigation of these claims asserted so long ago after the events from which they arise."

In his ruling, the Judge did add the following:

"The disposition of claims based on statute of limitations grounds is no reflection on the merits of the claims, that is, on whether, if timely brought, Mr. Johnson would have been entitled to relief* from the defendants."

*I would add that the specific relief sought included an accounting and share of royalties relating to 33 songs.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 22:32:33 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Robbie was credited as a "Creative Consultant".


Entered at Thu Oct 27 22:28:50 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

So this songwriting credits thing really is an issue from time to time.

Calvin, for what it's worth, a friend here saw Todd Rundgren recently and raved about the show.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 22:28:56 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Didn't Robbie turn this gig down?


Entered at Thu Oct 27 22:27:57 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.83)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: PeterV

I first learned of the 1961 massacre through a movie by Haneke.It is called Caché ( Hidden).It is a sideline in the story but still.... Haneke is one of my favourite filmmakers. He once was asked in an interview : when do you think you have shot a succesful scene? He was silent for a few seconds and then he said : if people want to look away. That answer was right on the money for me. Needless to say his films are always very disturbing. And Caché is doubly so because disturbing things are happening to the main character. I rate it 5 stars!!!!!


Entered at Thu Oct 27 21:29:42 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff….It has been a while since you became fully unhinged….Welcome back! Knowing how concerned you have always been with proper credits, I just thought it right to point out that Keith Richards made your exact point in the movie of which Richards was Music Producer. He even explains in the dvd extra interview bits how nervous he was to be sitting with Chuck at the movie Premiere as on-screen he is explaining to the audience how only a piano man could have written those songs.......Oh and by the way........Chuck himself explains how the record company made the decision to speed things up - not him.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 21:06:06 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

BTw Kevin, i neevr saw the movie. I saw two youtube vids from it ....but i was the man's friend, cowriter and produced a record on him. Johnnie was anything but a liar.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 21:01:16 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Screwed Twice

Along with Mr. Richards, Sir Mick even neglected to credit his former girlfriend, Marianne Faithful, for co-writing "Sister Morphine" (which featured Ry Cooder on slide guitar). After legal action Ms. Faithful finally received proper co-credit decades later. Garth was one of the musicians that accompanied her when she recorded a live version of the song included on her 1990 album BLAZING AWAY.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 20:59:27 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Kevin, i have to leave to continue to work right now,and have two or three stressful work days ahead of me, but by the end of the weekend i'll have time to decide if i want to elaborate beyond writng now that your post could only have been writtn by a ignoramus and a fool. you don't know the history, or the facts, and if you think it was in that movie, or that Keith made tha movie, you are wrong. Taylor Hackford made the movie. And Johnnie had as much or more to do with the creation of the music end of the songs than chuck. maybe you should ask chuck tillman about it,,, but i doubt he is still alive....


Entered at Thu Oct 27 20:39:16 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Joan, interesting how in our lifetime we have seen two major music supply media die. Not surprising. My younger kids and their friends don't even think of buying CD's, and they are shocked when I show them an album. My 24 year old--who lives in China--love albums and buys them for the design etc. She doesn't have a turntable.

The Stones also stole from Ry Cooder and Harvey Mandel. I realize a lot of people love them but they make me yawn.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 20:28:25 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Is the CD dead

Someone posted this on Facebook. I hope its not true.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 20:22:54 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Al: 100% of people who saw the 2nd greatest rock n roll documentary ever made “Hail Hail Rock n Roll” would be well aware of what Jeff just said as it is exactly the point that Keith Richard(s) makes in the movie…….and partly no doubt why Chuck Berry almost knocked Richards out with one punch the next time they crossed paths……Be careful about believing all that about Chuck not writing any of the music…..remember he also was a piano player and like Dylan extremely well educated about the music that came before him. I have no doubt that JJ helped but not to the extent that others or even the courts believed………..and for a guy like Richards with a history of using Billy Preston songs and Ronnie Wood songs on Stones albums without any attribution at all to then make a documentary on Chuck Berry and level this charge without even talking to Berry about is beforehand always sat wrong with me….it was cowardly really.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 20:01:23 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter: My point was that it's also hardly surprising that popular entertainers don't necessarily need help to seek out sources of supply, as they attract a certain element of groupies/hangers-on that gladly come to them bearing forbidden fruits of all flavors. The problem is exacerbated, particularly in Mr. Charles' situation, when there was no reliable member in the entourage to attempt to limit access to those, including enabling supporting musicians, whose actions may be detrimental to the health & performance of the "star".


Entered at Thu Oct 27 19:35:35 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: clarification for the algerian algorithim

Let it be written, let it be said: there ain't no gawdamn geniuses in this GB. Furthermore, there ain't no gawdamn Geniuses in this Gb.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 19:05:14 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Effing auto spell checkers! It changed "complicit" to "complacent" then I replaced the "i".


Entered at Thu Oct 27 19:04:07 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The suggestion that Ray Charles entourage was complicent is hardly surprising, David. What was he going to do, wander the streets with a white stick trying to score?


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:31:04 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Paris 1961

Perhaps even more telling is that an estimated 35,000 people chose to turn a blind eye to the tragic events and attend the series of concerts, which were in turn recorded by the French national broadcast organization.

Sadly, a month later Mr. Charles was arrested for the first time on charges of heroin & pot possession back in the states. Some close friends, such as Quincy Jones, have expressed the opinion that those around Mr. Charles at the time were complicit in his drug use.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:21:41 CEST 2011 from (41.97.174.211)

Posted by:

Empty Now

be indulgent with my bad English too


Entered at Thu Oct 27 18:15:04 CEST 2011 from (41.97.174.211)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: David P / Peter V

Thanks for the echo and interest

David , I guess you're among the regulars who understand why my posts often condon a nastiness or malice that harms nobody

I meant that unlike some today's stars (Sting, Gueldoff, ...) who should be truly involved if going through such event, they would have given a hitter impact of it. Ray, though not politicized let the quote I reported below, which is attested and more heartfelt that everything Sting or Gueldof would have said for history

I have some inaccuracies on the event, I remember I read that the Organizers made Ray Charles delegation circumvent a place with awful remnants of the turmoils.

I also think that the concert date 20 October, i have to verify, was itself a postpon due to the event. thanks to God it's not a The Band concert to provide FBI acuracy date and time, but in anycase the question has its due level of seriousness

The true debate now is about genius lowercase and Genius upercase


Entered at Thu Oct 27 17:15:28 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A friend saw Ian Hunter a short while back and said he was awful. Next week I have Glen Campbell on Wednesday and Roger McGuinn on Saturday.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 17:13:37 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I was amazed reading the link about the 1961 massacre. I did know about the 1968 one when the same para-military Parisian force, the CRS, were turned loose on demonstrating students. Their method was to knock people over the head and throw them into the Seine. There were reports of many bodies floating out to sea. Even in 1971, those French riot police were still terrifying hanging around in 3s and 4s, armed to the teeth, watching people. The slogans painted everywhere were CRS=SS.

BTW, the fact that the cheaper wines in 1972 were Algerian was not a slur on Algerian wines … they were much better than the French ones at the same price.

The wording would have been better if you said they kept the images away from the eyes of Ray Charles's entourage, rather than Ray Charles. The confusion might be that Ray Charles was blind.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 16:15:42 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Paris 1961

Empty Now: I admit that often your posts baffle me, but the Ray Charles reference is completely bewildering:

"Newspapers of the time reported that attempts to delay the concert in order to hide the images of the massacre to the eyes of Ray Charles failed."

????


Entered at Thu Oct 27 14:31:52 CEST 2011 from (72.196.149.62)

Posted by:

Calvin

Its somewhat Childish, but back in the 70s when I was a teenager I was an all consuming Kinks fan, and as such I had a knee jerk reaction to the Stones and the Who. Didnt listen to them, and just as a matter of course downplayed them. I do remember buying and liking Tattoo You but for the most part I ignored them to my loss. It really have only been over the last couple years I've started listening to them more. Now I still prefer Ray and Dave to Mick and Keith, but they are a pretty damn good band. And whoever said it is right, their cover of traditional blues songs hold over very well when compared to originals or more "authentic" versions.

Ray is in town a few weeks from now, but Ive seen him Solo 4 times and the Kinks 9 times and the same Night Todd Rundgren is on a Utopia Tour not too far from me. Unfortunately, of fortunately depending on your view, its Kevin Ellman, Moogy Klingman, Ralph Schuckett, John Siegler and Kasim Sulton. Which is basically the 74-74 Lineup with Kasim along for the ride. Now if Willie Wilcox and the Recently mentioned Roger Powell were there with Kasim I'd probably go down as the 75-82 Utopia was a pretty good band. Still, if you want some keyboard music than a lineup with Schuckett and Klingman probably meet your requirements.

Anyone seen Ian Hunter live lately? He is playing here (Cleveland BTW) Friday night. But Im not really sure if I want to spend $30x2 who the last recorded cut I have, Alejandro Escoveda's last album, his voice sounded shot. \ Ah well, decisions, decisions.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 12:56:23 CEST 2011 from (41.97.174.211)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: PS - for the political and historical reference

Ray Charles had enough decency to talk with half-words and allusions.

More accurately, for the political and historical reference, what made Genius mention Africa, is that along his way he and his crew to Palais Des Sports for the concert, he had to go through thousands bodies of innocents who were slaughtered in the streets of Paris by the days [see link above for more]

Newspapers of the time reported that attempts to delay the concert, in order to hide the images of the massacre to the eyes of Ray Charles failed

It was the time when for whatever reason a concert was canceled or even delayed


Entered at Thu Oct 27 12:29:15 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: That sumptuous Rebecca Ferguson vocal

A better link for anyone interested [again excuse the fuckin advert Grrr].

:-0)

Actually I thought it was just Rebecca's vocal but I'm finding the song a real grower, too. First few hearing's I kind of dismissed it as okay but certainly nowt special. Ten listens in and I think its simplicity allied to the showcase that simplicity provides for Rebecca's incredible vocal style and instinctive phrasing might just be transforming the whole thing for me into something a teeny weeny bit special.

I guess the giveaway for me is that as soon as it finishes I want to hear it again. And again. I guess it's the same with most of us whenever we encounter something we sense is that little bit special.

First time ever of the countless times I've now done this was with the Beatles when I first heard the 'Baby It's You' track on me auntie Barbara's Please Please Me album back in '63 as the glorious resonance of that deep McCartney bass and those rare harmonies accompanied the Spring sunshine to fill me aunty's front room with sheer captivated joy.

Promising this. Ha ha.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Oct 27 12:18:41 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Hilda, I second that emotion. A great book.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 11:17:22 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tom Waits

Damn! I asked in the shop where they had the deluxe edition shrink-wrapped at the back (£19.99) and asked what the difference was. They said "You get a 40 page book." So I went for the £11.99 standard one. I didn't realise there was an extra CD … mind you, how often you get them and don't play the bonus stuff much.

In the Sunday Times last week, or possibly the Telegraph on Saturday (both were used to start log fires), London mayor Boris Johnson recounted meeting Keith Richards as a lifetime highlight (and proves very knowledgeable too). He said to Keef (something along the lines of) 'Is it true that The Stones were the conduit for introducing white Americans to black American music?" And according to Boris, Keef agreed (and politely with "Mr Mayor" which is not a British form of address). That doesn't mean of course that Keef did agree.

It's amazing how well Stones covers hold up against the originals. Just yesterday I was playing Come On and Down Home Girl next to the originals. I prefer the Alvin Robinson in fact, but there's nothing wrong with the Stones effort.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 11:07:58 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.97)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Artistic creation and genius

I think I said it once before here but what the heck: all creative people, whether they are painters, writers, sculptors or singer/songwriter/musicians, build on what and who went before and there is nothing wrong with that. When you read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance there is a passage about Quality and I do nut remember it exactly but what it comes down to is that you can not define it because it because that gives an unsurmountable dilemma. The main character in the book gives his students an assignment to write an essay on a subject. When they have all done that he reads them aloud in class and asks his students which they think is the best one and on what grounds. Almost all of them pick the same one but they have trouble defining why. He then explains to them that Quality is something we all recognize without being able to put our finger on why . And so great art and artists fit right in there- in my view. I love that book ànd I love the new Tom Waits album too. Hell Broke Luce is right up there with Masters of War for me I absolutely love that book.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 10:38:17 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Why this place can be so good

JT: Fabulous post. Concise, accurate, informative. You simply don't get much better on these sort of forums.

JEFF: Well said. I guess 99.9% of folk who love Chuck's music don't know much of what you just wrote - including me. Thanks for educating us ignoramouses. Really.

CHARLIE: I'd already asked the missus to get me this for Christmas. Might just have to bring it forward a few months. Facebook's gain. The GB's loss :-0)

KEV: Awaiting your Stones backlash with mouthwatering relish. :-0)


Entered at Thu Oct 27 10:36:10 CEST 2011 from (41.97.174.211)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Pat B / E-mu Emulator / Stevie Wonder / Vintage Synthesizers / Genius / Piano and African map

Pat B: check out the link above please, a page for E-mu Emulator, i think specially of the section “The Stevie Story” from which this sample

" It made our day when Stevie Wonder came up with his entourage. He walked up to the instrument, sort of hugged it to get a feel of it, and then started playing it. Across the way was one of the more established companies. They told us, 'What you just got was better publicity than you could ever buy for any amount of money.'
"Wonder was so impressed with the Emulator that he ordered and received serial number 001. 'Actually,' Wedge confesses, 'we had promised number 001 to Daryl Dragon of the Captain & Tenille. I'm not sure if Daryl ever really understood why he didn't get number 001. We were tempted to make two -- one for Stevie Wonder and one for Daryl Dragon -- because Daryl had been a loyal E-mu modular system owner for a long time before that. On the other hand, Stevie at the time had a slightly larger name-recognition value, so I guess it got a little political. Apologies to Daryl on that one.'"

The linked page is from the book “Vintage Synthesizers” by Mark Vail, linked at the bottom of the page

I thought the sole Genius in Rock music is Ray Charles, at least the one for whom the epithet is printed in a disc cover.

Ray Charles let an anthological quote about the piano

“the shape of the piano looks like the map of Africa”

Awesome and so true, the sentence was said in an interview during the concert in Paris 1961, Palais Des Sports, in the heat of the decolonization context, there’s a Fanon connection, that which could be seen as a bit provoking; the sole political involvement of Genius I knew

As you know the shape of the piano is full part of its sound, and the remark coming from somebody who has more in common with Stevie Wonder let it imagine all what somebody must be to deserve the Genius epithet



Entered at Thu Oct 27 10:04:13 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Joe Zawinul

I'm with Pat on admiring Zawinul hugely. On drawing sounds out of a synth, he played a piece live where every "note" he hit was massed human voices. I guess that's a mellotron effect really, but it was one of the strangest and most powerful keyboard pieces I've heard. I don't know if he recorded it.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 07:15:18 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Garth is a musical genius.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 05:54:57 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Well, I'm sure those two are big sellers. I think it's more common to see software from keyboardists--Roger Powell, Alicia Keys, Greg Hawkes, Mike Pinder--although I don't own any of their stuff. Now I would love to know how Joe Zawinul sounded the way he did. A genius, a true star.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 05:10:14 CEST 2011 from (120.16.218.154)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Johnnie Johnson

Yep, stupid me and sly stone. And George Clinton


Entered at Thu Oct 27 04:53:43 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Then there's this understated little number.....


Entered at Thu Oct 27 04:48:03 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Pat, check out the Baldwin Elvis Presley Signature Piano.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 04:31:58 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Innovative derivative

Yes Al: Absolutely! The innovation is the variation or the insertion or the juxtaposition (or whatever else) of a new idea in the composition, derivative though it is. There are so many who innovated. Cerebral lyrics are as old as the hills but Dylan put them into the song. Harmony by the Beachboys and then CSNY. The affectionate heart vocalized in the beautiful melodies by the Band. The otherworldliness of Pink Floyd. The blues reborn in the Stones and Led Zeppelin. Conceptualization in the beautiful songs of the Beatles. Poetry in song by so many but exemplified by Leonard Cohen. Fusion of music forms by Beck Hanson. The guitar as an emotion again by so many - Jimi, Jeff, Eric, George and on and on it goes. Innovation in the derivative.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 04:32:08 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Funny that there aren't any "signature" keyboards.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 04:01:25 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

sure as some of you are expecting, i'm not a bout to let Chuck get genius status without Johnnie Johnson getting it too... Chuck was half the genius in the team genius totality...... his words, apropos to the time, sure genius.... he was a lyrical genius.....the music was more Johnnie's than chuck's..... chuck wrote the lyrics, brought em to Johnnie,who did not have a piano at the time.... after their gigs Johnnie would start playing what he heard and that is when the songs were finalized...... chuck's contribution, more than anything, was speeding up the tempo and playing Johnnie's leads on the guitar......Chuck was a genius, as he wrote in his book, he sensed a market, a burgeoning cultural need that had a void that could be marketed to, and he set out to do that. what he did not admit to was that it was Johnnie who mixed gospel,blues, country, boogie woogie and ragtime, and came up the music. then chuck sped it up...i remember being in a club named Off Broadway in StLouis...When it was owned by the Camarata family it was a favorite place for Johnnie to play,I saw him there frequently.I had probably seen johnnie play twenty or more times by the time this night rolled around, but this was first for me... i'm sitting there, enjoying a typical Johnnie Johnson show, happy as happy can be, and next thing ya know, i'm hearing a slower, far more beautiful version of Roll Over Beethoven...the way he created the music....as much a religious experience as possible, might as welll seen Moses part the red sea, this was fucking beautiful. same song.slower groove, more piano to the front, the guitar was still there...A far more pretty,beautiful song... never would a been a hit in that groove, in this case chuck's genius was writing the lyric, speeding up the tempo...


Entered at Thu Oct 27 03:23:22 CEST 2011 from (74.90.6.234)

Posted by:

Ray G

Subject: Signature Musical Equipment

Saw some talk regarding Artist model musical gear. That sort of thing generally costs at least at least a 3rd more than it's normal average everyday counterpart. Funny thing is that the guitars used by, let's say, the Beatles in the early days were pretty good instruments but they were bought because they were affordable at the time.

George Harrison bought his first Gretsch because it was American made and fairly cheap at the time. Now Gretsch has re-issued two versions of George Harrison's Duo Jet... the cheaper of the two is $3,500 USD and the upscale GH Dou Jet is $20,000 USD. In both cases that's an bucket load of money for a guitar that George got "on the cheap." For that matter the Andy Summers signature "beat to smithereens" Fender Telecaster has a price tag of something like $40,000 USD... we are talking beat up Tele here.

George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Duane Eddy, Roger McGuinn, and all the rest who now have signature model instruments actually made the best with what they had at the time... I guess Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, Rickenbacker, and many other instrument companies are hoping that folks think they are buying some of the magic their favorite star cultivated on a particular instrument if/when they by a signature axe.

Just my two cents.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 02:32:21 CEST 2011 from (199.19.138.101)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Tom Waits "Bad as Me" Deluxe Edition

David P: I saw you mentioned the new Tom Waits album and I picked up the really reasonably-priced deluxe edition today. It's amazing. A 40-page full-color book with all the lyrics and color photos plus an extra CD with additional song extra songs. I mostly live on Facebook now but wanted to make sure my old friends here knew about the deluxe edition.

I know Tom Waits is an acquired taste but this CD sounds crisp and vital, with great players like Levon's pal, David Hidalgo of Los Lobos on various instruments plus Charlie Mussewhite on harmonicas, Augie Meyers on accordian, and Keith Richards on guitars and vocals. The lyrics stand with Mr. Waits' best and I think it just went straight to the top of my album of the year list.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 02:28:04 CEST 2011 from (59.101.31.34)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Trying not to weigh in... but... must give opinion...

'If Talent creates and genius steals, we were the biggest geniuses who ever walked ' Paul McCartney

Were the Beatles derivative? Oh, god yes. But wre they highly creative, in a rareifed atmostphere of creativity and innovation? Oh, buddha, yes.

Were the Stones derivative? Yes. But again, rarifiied atmosphere of creativity and innovation? Till reading Keith's book I'd have said, 'YES', but now, I think Jagger is underestimated, as well as Wyman and Watts (and of course Mick Taylor). Keith was, even if he doesn't get it, a bit too far out of it... (though still somwhow productive)...

Michael Jackson: I think, while not denying his strangeness, he was innocent, as the courts showed. Would I have left my kids with him? nope. But was he an abuser? I don't blieve so. The Spectator, of all things, demonstrated his innocence. I think as a genius, no-one could touch him in dance - no-one yet has surpased him (Usher and also Timberlake are almost as good, but not better.) I don't think his songs are genius, and I agree with Peter V that he needed QJ to get hsi best. He wrote no standards (unlike Stevie Wonder, who's written... 20 standards?)

An overused term, indeed. But my list of rock geniuses is (in no order): LIttle Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Hank Williams, Billl Monroe, Beatles, Townshend, Zappa, Dylan, The Band, (OQ, collectively: though I'd accept Garth as an individual nomination) Jeff Beck, Costello, Springsteen, James Brown, Ray Charles, Ray Davies, HEndix, Weller, Jack White, Joni, Carole King, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye. Additions/subtractions gladly accepted.


Entered at Thu Oct 27 01:20:50 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Jeanius

I guess it's damn nigh impossible not to get sucked into these indeterminable discussions when there's such definitive assertions being bandied about. Of course, no fucker can ever get it right as it defies any truly rational explanation due to the infinite degree of subjectivity involved. But I guess I have got a bit of spare time this evening. So here goes.

Yeah JT makes a fair and valid point. To an extent everything derives from something. It's a physical law that governs life itself. So, in a way every piece of music owes at least something to some musical form or another that preceded it.

However, I think we all know that in the world of pop/rock pantheons an artist attracts an infinitely higher standing artistically if he, she or it is tagged with the 'innovative' label. And vice versa the 'derivative' label.

Some artists have created undeniably innovative work. Take Van Morrison's Astral Weeks. Nothing before nor since has ever come close to recreating the incredible musical pallet he pulled out of the hat back then. Sheer innovation. Where on earth did it spring from. It was 1968 fer fucks sake. I believe to this day that Van himself tried emulating it some years later on Veedon Fleece but, great as that album was, it never got within light years of AW.

The Band we all know about on here, of course. They were clear innovators in the sense that, as much as they drew from all American musical sources – or should we say in more accurately terming their roots from traditional, British, European and African sources :-0) – the music they laid down on Big Pink and the Brown album had simply never been heard before in the form they so intrinsically created by re-channeling all their extensive influences into those outpourings of beauty.

The Beatles's unsurpassed pop music innovations speak for themselves. Again imbued with so many influences, they simply took hold of the pop music art form by the scruff of the neck and advanced it single by single, album by album from the level of what many now see - though emphatically not those who lived through it - as rather quaint beginnings to the sort of sophistication that became the holy grail for countless other artists.

And so to the Stones. Again speaking as one who - like quite a few others on here - has lived through the entire rock era from late 50's to date, I can simply say that if the music The Stones were making from just after their initial blues/Chuck Berry/Bo Diddley influenced beginnings from the mid '60's through the early '70's was merely a variation on a previously laid down theme then I for one never heard the artists it was merely a souped up re-hashing of. Because to me it sounded like nothing I'd ever heard up that point.

It was amazing. New, different, fresh, vibrant, exciting, invigorating. Dangerous even. And yes - though I'd never heard of the word at the time – completely innovative. And I speak as someone who as much by virtue of birthright as musical preference preferred the Beatles to the Stones.

:-0)

That’s my take on it anyroad.

Plus, I’m compelled to add three further names that from what I read rarely get celebrated on here. If folks can celebrate the work of Michael Jackson then I’m sure as hell going to put forward the claims of Stevie ‘genius’ Wonder. Then there’s Buddy, of course. And how the hell did Hank Williams write stuff as magical as he did all those years ago?


Entered at Wed Oct 26 23:42:44 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Kevin, most of Netflix' docs are available through direct stream to your television. A great feature as you can add the film to your Queue on your computer and it is there waiting for you on your television. If your TV doesn't have internet connectivity built in check out ROKU. Inexpensive and easy to connect and use. Email me if I can help.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 23:13:09 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

At Jeff Beck the other night in Toronto, a fan mused as to how she would like to get a pic……and it was pointed out that the great man might have to cut off some fingers to accommodate her request………….which reminded me of the Bobby Hull story of a few years back where the legendary but flawed hockey player made news by auctioning off his false teeth!!!!!! When Tiger Williams – a less legendary but less flawed former player was asked if he would consider the same……….he said he would but sadly would have to cut off his head first as he still had most of his own teeth!

I am with Jed on avoiding actual “star” issued instruments and equipment but will admit to being influenced by looks and colour of same as a result of appreciation of some players…….lately, white strats and remember that green beauty that Stevie Winwood pulled out at the Eric Fest of a few years back…….Never did see one around the shops of Toronto but I might have been tempted……………………and sometimes it is just a vibe from a company and when Martin announced that they would not lay-off any workers during the world-wide collapse of 2008/2009 because the owners were still making money and were more concerned with their employees lives rather than maximizing profits – I went out a short time later and bought one of the little baby’s for travel.

Thanks bob w for the tip on the Entwistle dvd…………………..and to anyone looking for another bio dvd on a bass player, the one on Killer Kane called “New York Doll” is tremendous…………………..Never mind if you were a fan of the Dolls or not ( I would suspect most here were not ) but Bob F mentioned them the other day and it remibded me of how great a flick this is………human story above all else……


Entered at Wed Oct 26 22:37:49 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Jed: The vanity label equipment is well out of my price range and you're certainly correct about cheaper, yet comparable alternatives. For instance, one can get a new Fender '65 Twin Reverb reissue at less than half the price of the Clapton Twinolux -- around $1400 compared to $3000.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 22:05:30 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: David--Guitars/Memorabilia

I always avoid purchasing guitars or amps with the musician's name on them.Often they are high quality equipment as I'm certain EC's amps,Dickey Betts guitar,and Derek Trucks' SG are.But,usually cheaper equipment of equal or better quality are on the market. They're similar to vanity license plates! Although,I love the signed slide Derek gave me and the Dickey pick,as well as all the other memorabilia we have. Most valuable to me are our pics with Levon,Derek,Susan Tedeschi,Jim Weider,Garth,Gregg Allman,Phil Lesh,Luther Dickinson,David Hood,Keith Richards,Mick,Jimmy Page,EC,Leon Russell,and more. A fan's wet dream come true for me.I'm sure people here have lots of interesting musician memorabilia and I sure would love to hear about it.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 21:56:31 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Nice photo (credit to Butch Dener) of The Band ('93) - Ben & Jerry's "One Heart" festival w/ (from L to R) Rick Danko, Richard Bell, Garth Hudson, Randy Ciarlante & Levon Helm.

Set List

1. intro

2. Rag Mama Rag

3. Crazy Mama

4. Remedy

5. Blind Willie McTell (Bob Dylan)

6. Atlantic City (Bruce Springsteen)

7. It Makes No Difference

8. Ophelia

9. The Shape I'm In

10. banter - thanks to Ben & Jerry, band intros/encore break

11. The Stuff You Gotta Watch

12. The Weight

13. outro

There is a bootleg out there.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 21:11:37 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ooby dooby dooby, ooo sha sha

JT: And if we ARE banding around the word 'genius', then your parenthetical closing remark reminds me that we shouldn't overlook Sylvester Stewart.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 20:35:39 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Tele-Kinetic Guitar Heroes

For the second straight month Robbie is featured in VINTAGE GUITAR magazine. In the December edition he's mentioned in Pete Prown's article on the masters of the Telecaster, marking the 60th anniversary of Leo Fender's versatile guitar. While discussing '60s era players:

"...check out Robbie Robertson's highly innovative Tele work with singer Ronnie Hawkins, such as on 'Who Do You Love' and 'Come Love'. Years before Clapton, Bloomfield and Beck, here was a skinny white kid playing the heck out of dirty electric blues."

And speaking of Eric Clapton, Fender has just introduced a line of amplifiers designed to Mr. Clapton's specifications, featuring Twinolux, Tremolux and Vibro Champ models. The ad copy reads: "Slow Hand Made...The new Eric Clapton amplifiers, the voice of a legend. Hand-wired in the USA, go to www.fender.com/clapton for details."


Entered at Wed Oct 26 19:28:29 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Right, JT. Theseus and Hippolyta (Queen of the Amazons) are taken from Greek mythology. Theseus appears by name in The Knight's Tale (but Shakespeare used that story in Two Noble Kinsmen). Pyramus & Thisbe come from Ovid, but what Shakespeare does is an original story, using characters and insetting the story. According to the RSC programme for the current production (my review is linked) it's his "most original" or "least derivative."

I'll make a point of watching "THis Is It." It sounds interesting from a musical point of view. But as far as guilt goes, anyone who saw the BBC documentary and interviews would have no doubt whatsoever. Got off by the most expensive lawyers money could buy and massive pay-offs.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 19:09:23 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Kevin, I went to see "This Is It" on the suggestion of a close friend whose opinion I respect a great deal. He was adamant about going to see the film. I was amazed. Michael Jackson had an incredible capacity for detail and his ear was phenomenal. Seeing him suggest the slightest musical/rhythmic adjustments to his band and hearing the results was fascinating.

I have no idea regarding his guilt or innocence to the charges we all witnessed through the press. Nor does anyone else here. That entire aspect of his life was horribly sad. He was a brilliant writer, arranger, singer and performer.

The DVD is available through Netflix. I can't recommend it highly enough. Also, I watched "John Entwistle: An Ox's Tale" last night. While not a first tier documentary it is a nice look at Entwistle's life and a great reminder of what a key role he played in propelling the bass forward as a rock instrument. He was an interesting guy who absolutely loved his life as a musician and wanted nothing more than to perform whenever and wherever possible.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:46:45 CEST 2011 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Midsummer's Dreaming

Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream".

"Though it is not a translation or adaptation of an earlier work, various sources such as Ovid's Metamorphoses and Chaucer's "The Knight's Tale" served as inspiration." according to a reference I found through Wikipedia (the source of all things true.'.bazinga').


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:16:07 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Genius can be derivative

According to the programme at the theatre recently, "A Midsummer Night's Dream" is the only Shakespeare play where the plot is not derivative. Even then the play within a play, Pyramus & Thisbe is derivative.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:12:50 CEST 2011 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Derivative

A lot of words being bandied about. "genius", "derivative". These words are either exalting or demeaning (more words) but in my opinion do not serve the cause of describing music well. Art in all its forms is in effect 'derivative'. We discussed this previously when we had concerns about painting from photographs. (the issue of ownership of material notwithstanding). We should appreciate the abilities of these wonderful musicians and songwriters for what they are - individuals who evolve creation of sound to another level that adds to the collective and provides pleasure to the listener. As was said so many times (here and in other places), 'different strokes for different folks'.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:11:11 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

On MJ……..The best musician I know is also of the view that it was all QJ – though he is a Jazz guy……..and while I shared that view for a time, a couple of things changed my mind…………..1.) a conversation with one-time Jesse Winchester bass player Jimmy Oliver late one night in a bar………James Brown was playing and someone made some sort of comment about MJ and I discounted any sort of comparison in terms of greatness, etc………Jimmy’s response was “No, no , no…..hold on….let me explain a few things” which he did about MJ’s attention to detail and arrangements dating back to the Jackson Five but especially emerging in his songs, songwriting, and according to Jimmy his ability to direct and shape sounds out of the studio guys that were ground-breaking……I was a bit out of it at the time so don’t remember details but do recall some of the songs on “Off The Wall” being used as examples of what he meant – perhaps “Don’t Stop Till Ya Get it On”………………….and 2,) I was dragged to “This is It” last year and ultimately was just floored by the spectacular talent on display………Interesting that bob w also cites this and I am sure that it might help add a perspective to others that might have been put off by all the other eccentric gobblydegook that was MJ and his billion or so fans…………………………

On GH…........Rule of thumb….if you play guitar…..you understand George Harrison’s greatness….if you don’t or have never even attempted lessons……you likely don’t. Simple as that really.

On the RS………The Stones are derivative…….the Beatles were not….It is not a matter of who you like – I preferred the Stones to The Beatles….it is as simple as day and night………I prefer ZZ Top to Joy Division….one was largely derivative, the other one wasn’t…….The question is simply would this little thing we call rock n roll have been different had they never existed?.........….and while one can clearly answer in the affirmative to Little Richard, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, Brian Wilson, Jimi Hendrix, Prince, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Bob Marley, Ramones, Black Sabbath………………..It seems we might have been mercifully spared Aerosmith and Gun n Roses had the Stone not existed but that is about it………


Entered at Wed Oct 26 18:01:51 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Gooseneck Al

Subject: Bungalow Bill

Ha ha

The lack of any deep crevasses is the giveaway. The facial sort anyroad!

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 26 17:44:48 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I mentioned Quincey Jones too. Looking at the composition list again, I reckon the quality drops steadily as Michael Jackson gains more artistic control until by the end it's largely do-it-by-numbers squeaking. But also, if you believe the worst (and along with the tabloid press, I do) this is a guy who might still be alive if they had put him in prison when he deserved it.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 17:35:52 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Gooseneck A: Wrong video - those aren't the Rolling Stones.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 17:12:22 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: I heard a voice cryin' in the deep...

For his best work Michael Jackson was assisted by a true musical genius -- Quincy Jones. Mr. Jones co-produced the albums OFF THE WALL, THRILLER and BAD, along with THE WIZ soundtrack.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 17:04:20 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Daft posts and Rebecca

JED: Along with Empty you're talking to the original daft poster mate. It's the whole idea of these crazy internet mediums isn't it?

:-0)

As it was, I was referring to the normally erudite JQ's dismissal of Georgie Porgie as mediocre. Then some equally crazy notion - which I only caught the essence not the detail I must admit - that the Stones were derivative.

Hang your head in shame, Kev. Either that or watch this video and then go take a cold shower and come to your senses - ha ha.

:-0)

JOE J: Yeah definite scouse bias but her voice [let alone those smouldering looks] do beguile this particular arl arse. She's right at the start of her career having been runner up on the otherwise insufferable X-Factor for which her audition song was Sam Cooke's and our boys' A Change is Gonna Come which she sang like a soul angel.

Since that show she's clearly chosen the artistic as distinct from 'cashing in' route, writing all her own songs for her forthcoming debut album. The thing is for me she could sing 'Three blind Mice' and it would still melt my wellies.

JEFF'S George insight: Not a daft post by any stretch. :-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 26 15:44:04 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Genius

Most of my posts are probably categorized as daft,so what the heck.Some thoughts on genius.There is a large difference between a person who is massively talented.Michael Jackson was ver talented,but far from genius.The Beatles and Dylan are geniuses,although I'm not quite sure how each member of The Beatles fares in the genius category.Hard to figure,but as a group Beatles produced genius,as did The Band.Same for The Stones.Possibly each member of The Band and Beatles have elements of genius either related to their instrumental/vocal/songwriting excellence and creativity or to their overall approach to their craft.However,genius implies,IMO,something new,creative and perhaps unique.It is an intangible quality beyond even mega talent.Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk were geniuses,but someone like Duane Allman and Eric Clapton are mega talents and innovators although not geniuses.How to distinguish.Not sure,given there are no clearly agreed upon criteria to define genus.Is it mere opinion?


Entered at Wed Oct 26 12:53:59 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Rebecca

Thanks Al. Never heard of her before but I like this very much. A google check reveals she's a scouser too; am I using the term correctly?


Entered at Wed Oct 26 12:11:14 CEST 2011 from (82.42.122.89)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Ha ha

Some fuckin daft posts on here that don't really merit further comment from me and I haven't the time right now anyway.

:-0)

Anyroad, not to be scouse biased, but I just adore the sumptuous tone of Rebecca Ferguson's voice [link - acoustic version - excuse the advert]. Anyone else picked up on it? I could watch and listen to her all day. And night. I think Richard might just have appreciated the soul she oozes.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 10:37:39 CEST 2011 from (41.97.164.158)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: cheap wine is gonna pour on you

I once wrote in a local newspaper

what distinguishes the developed man of the primitive man, is his instinctive self-ban and natural unfitness to the act unsupported by thoughts, and the word non complying to facts

I believe, you would be more appreciated if you tuck self-esteem out of The Band Guestbook, Sir



Entered at Wed Oct 26 10:24:24 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Michael Jackson

Interesting list. I only really like "Off The Wall" and "Thriller", and I like Thriller much more than Off The Wall. "Bad" was OK, but after that we bought them because our kids liked them, but I thought he'd gone into serious decline and found them dull. I liked the individual track Black or White, and We Are The world was anthemic and appropriate for hits role. I thought "The Girl Is Mine" was the weakest track on Thriller by a mile, which is why I discounted it.

I reckon the private life stuff finished it off for me. Whatever, he's hardly Smokey Robinson or Marvin Gaye in terms of writing ability.


Entered at Wed Oct 26 05:49:28 CEST 2011 from (59.101.31.34)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Here's a couple of ge... err... guys!

GOod to see you to, Kevin J. Haven't been far, just lurking...

and Jeff: sorry, yes - that whole sentence was unclear - Harrison released some nonsense (but who hasn't?) His use of slide in pop, though, if I'm right, was sublime, and certainly worthy consideration of the 'g' word...'

the link? Paul Simon and Willie Nelson: I'd've calld them both ... erm... but let's leave it... (I don't use the term lightly...)


Entered at Wed Oct 26 01:07:27 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

If this link's information is correct it appears Michael Jackson wrote far more than two of his hits.

After seeing "This Is It" I was convinced of Michael Jackson's genius.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 23:51:31 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUP(Friend0

my opinions on genius are different than many or most...moments of genius- spells of genius- someone may be prone to spells or bouts of genius.... something beyond "normal" or advanced inspired creativity..to me , it's fine to refer to that person as having genius, or maybe a part time genius.......Dylan called RR a mathematical guitar genius, or something close to it.... buti wouldn't consider rr a genius per se......levon sure ain't no gawdamn genius but he is a genius drummer...but to me Harrison was special, in my book i'd give him genius status...... more on genius..........aint no gawdamn geniuses here in this Gb, not even Westcoaster


Entered at Tue Oct 25 22:26:35 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: terroir

"When we first saw Rick . . . he had a little group, the group wasn't too hot, but it made him really stand out. He looked good, and he was playing guitar, but you could tell he was very musical, and he sang good. He had this . . . sound in his voice, this tobacco-belt sound, and he was somewhere between the tobacco belt and Sam Cooke, to us."

--Robbie Robertson, in _Classic Albums: The Band_ (DVD)


Entered at Tue Oct 25 22:23:58 CEST 2011 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

jt

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 'Genius'

JQ

I avoid the word 'genius' when speaking of musicians though I do think that there are some who may qualify. I never considered George Harrison or indeed any of the Fab 4 in that category. I agree about some of the classical musicians and in my view would consider the early work of Bob Dylan to allow him to be classified as 'genius'. In my view, the rest of the popular musicians of today would be 'highly creative' and certainly George Harrison and perhaps 2 of the others are aptly described in this way. "Visions of Johanna" and "Desolation Row" live in another stratosphere.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 22:22:28 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Hard to believe that referring to the Stones as derivative is more controversial than the ridiculous assertion that George Harrison is mediocre….but there you have it….Oh well………Memo to self: next time I embark on the lifting of George Harrison out of the “Mediocrity Bin” - avoid lists and comments on Stones or MJ……………….While we are at it though ……I am usually on the same page as you Bob F but just don’t see any evidence of genius in Mick or Keith……….The Stones took Blues and added a sexy white singer and some haircuts……… Yes…..they did write ‘Satisfaction” and that alone elevates them to greatness in the rock genre but at the core they were derivative – so much so that their offspring form as uninspiring a line of rock dread as could be imagined……..Aerosmith straight through to Guns n Roses….and finally the death of the rock band as we know it………………this is what happens when the genius chip is omitted from creation……David Bowie, on the other hand, had all or most of his rock babies in Mensa and I see no line from the Stones to him ……………. That all said, Stones 1964 through 1978 is beautiful rock n roll music and I still play “Hot Rocks”, “Black n Blue” and “Some Girls” a lot.

Peter V: Thanks for the tip on the new Waterboys.

Chelsea Hotel: I was at the Chelsea hotel on the weekend and note that there is now a Leonard Cohen plaque at the entrance….It reads Leonard Cohen, Poet, Novelist, Singer-Songwriter and underneath “I remember you well at the Chelsea Hotel” ……………..No mention of the line that follows!!


Entered at Tue Oct 25 22:00:46 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Geography of Soul

JQ: With Ray Charles, Sam Cooke and others (including Mr. Cooke's close friend Lou Rawls), who had moved to the West Coast, you also had the 3M branches of soul music -- Memphis, Muscle Shoals & Motown. Each added their distinct sound to the mix. I wonder if where the musicians recorded in part affected the blend of music, akin to the aspect known as terroir in the wine industry, describing how the combination soil, climate & geography imparts a unique, almost mystical, influence on the wine grown in an area.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 21:15:30 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Chris Rea

The first half is very dull indeed, even fourth time through. The second half is a grower though (much quieter and very much the "other side" of a hypothetical LP). But The Waterboys is the one to go for. It's marred by some 80s drumming mixes, but try SWEET DANCER and BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE and POLITICS if you're into iTunes samples.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 21:08:11 CEST 2011 from (166.147.83.51)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Sam Cooke & genius

David P - I think you're spot in saying Sam Cooke brought music out of church and into soul pop. Ray Charles and many others were there too. The Soul Stirrers with SC remain in heavy rotation here. Aside from the Soul Stirrers' records with him, I would Take his Night Beat as my favorite. But that one misses all the popular songs & hits he had; I think there's a number of greatest hits packs of his out there for that.

JRR said that Rick was the group's Sam Cooke and I think the 2 covers that I'm aware of, Change.. & Chain Gang are a testimony to that opinion. I've always liked Moondog Matinee a lot - what a group it was that included the 3 singers: Sam Cooke, Little Richard and Ray Charles!

On the other end of the spectrum from the great gospel/soul stuff of that era is the most diabolical, unholy & god-awful shit: christian rock.

Jeff - I thought your bit on GH was quite compelling, thanks. But I still get suspicious when I hear the word genius tossed around. I suppose everybody has their own definition of the word. Einstein & Mozart were geniuses - the furthest reach of a natural talent - but I also think of what Zappa said: that rock criticism is a silly waste of space, or something like that as I recall.

Peter V - Too bad about your Chris Rea POV; I had high hopes for that one.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 20:45:52 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ray Davies

Ray Davies.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 20:08:45 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Keith Richards plays on the new Tom Waits album, as does Charlie Musselwhite, who decades ago appeared on John Hammond's SO MANY ROADS with Robbie, Levon & Garth.

I would agree that Sam Cooke was one of the key architects of soul, as he designed that successful musical blueprint that crossed over from gospel to the pop charts. His smooth stylings embodied the slogan that Berry Gordy adopted at Motown -- the SOUND OF YOUNG AMERICA; wonderful music that transcended racial boundaries during a troubled time in America.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 19:27:59 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I agree on Mick & Keef and on Sam Cooke too.

I've been listening to "Bad As Me" today too and Chris Rea's Santo Spirito Blues. Neither yet strike me as good … no, "great" … as The Waterboys' An Appointment With Mr Yeats, destined to be one of my albums of the year already. I only bought it on Friday.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 19:11:33 CEST 2011 from (129.42.208.177)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Hudson Valley, NY

Subject: The Stones and Sam Cooke

Kevin J, couldn't disagree with you more about The Stones. The Who, Faces, Bowie, NY Dolls, Patti Smith Group, Clash and on and on were completely influenced by The Rolling Stones. Everything they did up to and inlcuding Some Girls is pure genius. Also, Same Cooke is the architect of soul music.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 19:09:22 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Silver Siding

Spinning in the CD player this week are the deluxe editions of two new releases:

GUITAR SLINGER -- Vince Gill
BAD AS ME -- Tom Waits

Mike H: From the humorous Minnie Pearl, at the oposite end of the spectrum we also have the tragic figure of Ophelia in Shakespeare's HAMLET.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 19:05:17 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

EN, of course that wine we subsisted on in Paris in 1972 was Algerian.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 18:53:09 CEST 2011 from (41.97.235.165)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: GBers, in what planet are you ?

The only constant of the developed world is

Taxes go to the budget on military spending

....whose purpose is conspicuous by a total inefficiency when it comes to the real thing. since the time the theoreticians are feeding the myth of tax as the share of the poor, the poor would have been eradicated


Entered at Tue Oct 25 18:33:42 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Would have been Minnie Pearl's (aka Sarah "Ophelia" Colley Cannon) b'day. Always loved Levon's voice on that tune & the horn section contributed well.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 17:56:49 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Kevin, when you create a list of 6 or 7 you're inviting people to point out those you've missed. This could take a LONG, LONG time … try Paul Simon, Marvin Gaye and Bob Marley for starters. Oh, and Robbie Robertson. I'm very hard put to work out why Michael Jackson qualifies. He wrote his two best songs, Beat It and Billie Jean. Most of his other decent songs were written by other people and Ronnie Hawkins had perfected the camel walk years earlier. You're talking about a producer of the very first rank, Quincy Jones, excellent songwriters and a highly accomplished singer and dancer who wrote only a few great songs himself.

Not wishing to sound like the Four Yorkshiremen in the Secret Policeman's Ball (Luxury!) it's hard to think now how "Eastern European" Britain was. In the early 70s we had exchange controls, and there were no credit cards or cash machines. So if you went abroad, you could take (I think) £30 in total. We went to Paris in 1972, lived on bread and cheese and cheap wine and still ran out of money entirely after 5 days.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 17:44:54 CEST 2011 from (70.50.64.61)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: George Harrison

JQ: A few things…..no need to search very far for the “Millionaire’s Union” – it exists in the form of the Republican Party in the US and its message is spread worldwide by FOX News………………….as to George Harrison…..his contributions in the form of guitar alone on so many Beatle songs raises his musician score to way way above “mediocre” as you described him and his writing of “Something” and ‘Here Comes the Sun” push him without any question to the level of “Great” in the pop/rock field that he was in……………….I would not go as far as “Genius” as Jeff has as it is a term that is almost always misapplied and in the pop/rock category – probably only has 6 or 7 members ( Chuck Berry, James Brown, Lennon and McCartney, Bob Dylan, Michael Jackson, Brian Wilson ). You will hear people say that Keith Richard(s) is a genius……nonsense of course as genius has to have originality as a core element and as exciting and lovely as many Stones songs are the rock world would not have been an iota different had they never existed. They might have been at one time the “world’s greatest rock n roll band” but they were always derivative.

dlew: Good to see you around.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 17:06:57 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Doesn't seem likely, given the difference in tax brackets, but perhaps that's why the reformed Band rehearsed in Halifax in the '80s. An odd choice even so (and as nice as that city can be).


Entered at Tue Oct 25 17:01:48 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Gimme Shelter

I recall reading a few years ago that Sir Mick and bandmates Keith & Charlie had channeled their income through the Netherlands, where they were paying less than 2% in taxes. When they tour here in the U.S. they also reduce their taxes by doing their rehearsal preparation in Canada.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 16:29:29 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Concert List The last Band concerts

The submissions and corrections to "The List" have been few over the past days. I await further information from those who know and/or who have 'been there' when it happened. The initial response was wonderful. I will send in a list to Jan weekly until it doesn't make sense anymore. The next step (to potentially connect posters and ticket stubs etc to particular shows) will be up to someone else (Jan referred to this possibility) who has the desire and the commitment.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 11:34:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Taxman

British tax … every article says it hit 98%. I just had a Google and found an official figure of 83% (persisting into the mid-70s). Then it says:

QUOTE: (98%) was because of the existence of the investment income surcharge, an additional income tax charge on unearned income. As this had a maximum rate of 15 per cent, in the second half of the 1970s it combined with the 83 per cent top main income tax rate to give a top feasible marginal rate of 98 per cent on unearned income. Very few individuals were actually charged at this marginal rate.

So there were rates on earned income and rates on unearned income (interest etc). There was a battle over which royalties were. They’re now considered to be “earned” (thank goodness … they are!). They weren’t then, but lumped with “interest on capital” as unearned. It was astonishing … both George and Paul have commented that they got 2p in the pound.

I always add on this issue that Paul and George stayed and paid. John made sure he got well away from it as did Ringo. Mick and Keith also avoided it. This was supposed to effect the handing out of knighthoods, and I still think it appalling that they go to tax exiles like Jagger. I’d be a tax exile in his situation too, but you still have to regard Sir Paul’s huge contribution to tax revenues as fair reason for an honour.

In the mid-70s I was teaching, and a head of department. I was nearly doubling my salary because I did the theatre shows, lectured on film part-time, and worked two other evenings a week, and did exam classes on Saturday. Mrs V was doing the same. As a result, we hit 60% tax rates on our overtime work, while living in a damp rented one-bedroom flat, and it took us three years to save enough to put a deposit on our own place. We weren’t “rich.” In other words those rates could hit a working couple in straight jobs. That was why Thatcher got in. Blue collar workers voted for her … it wasn’t the landed gentry and rich pop stars who were being hit at 60% plus. They had accountants to sort it for them. It was plumbers and electricians and factory workers doing overtime. Mrs V says the governments of the 70s stole our twenties. They were mainly Labour, but when they switched to Heath (Conservative) it made f*ck-all difference.

And George was a genius. Don't forget, by the weaker 80s albums he must have lacked incentive.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 10:27:41 CEST 2011 from (41.97.235.165)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: S.M. - Thanks and more screwed syntax

thanks for the confirmation, it is this joke very exactly

However, the Mexican version will remain my favorite ever, i dont know why exactly, maybe for the color, and I often tied it to the linked above song, I meant it's what I heard in my mind Sancho playing right after they told me the last line of the joke for the first time


Entered at Tue Oct 25 06:19:37 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way of Life

I don't know if you are right Dlew, but if you are, that is an example genius. I'm also thinking you substituted nonsense for mischievous genius or unorthodoxy. I'm thinking genius usually is accompanied by unorthodoxy. Now, that's more thinking than i'm used to, so it's time to call it quits.



Entered at Tue Oct 25 05:59:58 CEST 2011 from (59.101.31.34)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: George

Man was a genius, no question. But there's some nonsense there. I'm positive he's the first guy to play slide in pop, rather than blues. Is that right?


Entered at Tue Oct 25 04:07:55 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

JQ, if my opinion alone can aid you, let me say this- George harrison was one of those terribly gifted geniuses. his genius lay both in his songwriting and his musicianship... the man's tone and choice of notes on his greatest songs, and some other people's great songs was pure genius.....he was a brave individual, not a wimp, and clearly a loyal friend... in terms of charisma, and devotion from his peers, think about bangladesh, and the musical talent and the star power he pulled together, think about also haing the ability to inspire the mobilization ofthe kind of organizational structure and energy, man power , necessary to pull that off......... that didn't happen just cause he was a Beatle.......i had great floor seats for the bob Dylan 30th anniversary at Madison Sq Gaurden,,,,,,for me, one of the nonmusical highlights of the show, and one of the all around highlights of the show , was chrissy hyndes beside herself with happiness, joy, and almost disbelief, when she introduced George harrison,....at that moment she was as happy as any person can ever be... not cause she was introcuding a "Beatle, but becasuse she was introducing geroge.and when George walked out, and spoke. played and sang, he was pure genius. pure charisma, spirit, beauty, warmth, love, it was there in his voice and it radiated from him..that's it, someone else can discuss the mid period solo albums...... me. the mid and later period, well, let's say his wilbury's work, inclduing hsi guitar pwrk, to me that's amazing.

i don't know how much genius someone has to display in a life's work to be considerd a genius, but i'd say george contributed enough on the genius level to be considered a genius.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 01:28:26 CEST 2011 from (198.228.209.179)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 98% tax

PV - Correct my math if I'm doing it wrong, but at 98% wouldn't he need to earn $50 million to be a simple millionaire there? How did McCartney hold on to so much?


Entered at Tue Oct 25 01:15:17 CEST 2011 from (198.228.209.179)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: George

JT - Those are nice songs and there's enough there to make a fine LP but not nearly enough for the pop admiration he gets. And the spiritual stuff in the doc, to me as well, seemed like an ordinary Westerner's shallow wank; just not really worthy of such a big deal -


Entered at Tue Oct 25 00:58:21 CEST 2011 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: George Harrison

Something/Here Comes The Sun/If I Needed Someone/While My Guitar Gently Weeps/Isn't It A Pity/The Art of Dying/ Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)... just to name a few. Mediocre would not be a word I would use in the same breath as George Harrison. These (among others) are superb songs from a talented songwriter and performer. What I did find when I watched the Scorsese film was that the first half (Beatles-related) was superbly done while there was perhaps too much time spent on spirituality and related issues in the second part that detracted (for me anyway) from the continued very good (if not excellent) work done in the 80's and 90s (I did not list these because they are not quite up to the excellence of those songs above). But mediocre...no... I would give my eye-teeth to be as capable a songwriter as George Harrison. He was creative and had an excellence sense of what it took to create a memorable song. Of course, his spiritual nature can not be separated often from the songs but I think that it was dwelt upon too heavily in the film in the second half. I would have preferred more concentration on the process of songwriting and recording than on the more personal material covered. I can't leave out the Traveling Wilburys and his significant contribution therein.


Entered at Tue Oct 25 00:15:28 CEST 2011 from (166.147.83.238)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Karen Dalton & the taxman

We were talking about "Southern Gothic" a while ago and I think her stuff fits right in there; some is downright spooky. Katie Cruel & Same Old Man come to mind that way. She hasn't hit the same sort of retro-cool status as Nick Drake has but I'd say she could and should.

PV - I'll pay closer attention to the covers disc. 98% - is that even possible? He only keeps $20 grand out of every million?? Where's the millionaire's union?


Entered at Tue Oct 25 00:01:16 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Just a little more, when George wrote "Taxman" under the Wilson government, taxes were hitting him at 98%. NINETY-EIGHT PER CENT. Think about it. That's not a fair share in any reckoning. I agree though that many George albums were second-rate or even third-rate, but the cover disc put the gems together.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 23:57:53 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I found the George Harrison Mojo covers disc extremely "playable. It flows and reminds you how good some of the songs were.

Thanks, Bill. I've heard it. Excellent rendition too.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 23:49:05 CEST 2011 from (166.147.83.238)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: George Harrison - apologies in advance

He's been in the atmosphere a good bit recently; I think I've seen the whole Scorese documentary. A thing that has struck me now, and I'm not at all confident in this opinion, but the word that comes to mind is: mediocrity.

I'm not very aware of the writing, playing and recording dynamics with the Beatles in regard to George's contribution in that mix, but apart from a few well-struck tunes, that word keeps popping into my mind and I'd love to be talked out of it.

I don't doubt that he was a fine man, but even that opinion get messed a bit when I hear of his love of humanity and the poorest amongst us whilst doing all he can to avoid his share of taxes that, in some part, must go to those folks. With many of his side projects he can come across as just another rich guy fucking around in the garden.

The November Mojo has a detailed article with a disc of covers of his songs which also strikes me that way.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 21:44:26 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

I knew I would regret it!


Entered at Mon Oct 24 21:12:35 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Pat B / JT: Re Syria Mosque, so the only reason it's 'mosque' rather than 'hall' or something is that Shriners wear fezzes?

A friend passed along his spare copy the CD release of Karen Dalton's Bearsville album because I'd expressed mild regret for having dumped my copy of the LP years ago and now was kinda interested in hearing her take on "In A Station" again. I hated it at the time, but wow, what a great great album, notably Dino Valenti's "Something On Your Mind" (see link above). I'd remembered that Amos Garrett was on it, but had totally forgotten about the presence of the Full Tilt Boogie Band's dynamic keyboard duo, Richard Bell and Ken Pearson. They, especially Pearson, work magic on "In A Station". More on that later, I think.

Peter V: It's very nice to see a retightening of the cultural ties between our two countries. One of this weekend's papers had a nice article on the special best-of compilation of Group of Seven paintings at Dulwich Picture Gallery (or something), while the other weekend paper had a little something on the recent remake of "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Canuckistani cultural icon William Shatner and your Bournemouth buddy, John Wetton. You might ask John about that.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 19:59:25 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Naked? Maybe. But only from June til September.


Entered at Mon Oct 24 19:56:18 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Why "American" you ask

debauched,drunken rock star with a hit record- does that sound Canadian to you?


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:22:52 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: I know I'll regret this

I have never heard the original version of El Sombrero, but I'll take a whack at an original Canadian version:

An American rock star(who shall remain nameless)staggers into a church service,still drunk after a night of debauchery.

Totally naked and carrying a guitar, he makes his way to the altar amid outraged cries of, "Shame On You"

Upon reaching the altar he said," OK, OK, if you insist, I'll do my biggest hit "Shame On You"


Entered at Mon Oct 24 17:10:52 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: I know I'll regret this

I have never heard the original version of El Sombrero, but I'll take a whack at an original Canadian version:

An American rock star(who shall remain nameless)staggers into a church service,still drunk after a night of debauchery.

Totally naked and carrying a guitar, he makes his way to the altar amid outraged cries of, "Shame On You"

Upon reaching the altar he said," OK, OK, if you insist, I'll do my biggest hit "Shame On You"


Entered at Mon Oct 24 16:27:37 CEST 2011 from (41.97.215.114)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Thanks S.M. it's French with English words, hope the Sombrero joke is understood, or some monolinguistic outthere who knows it posts the original version, never get enough hearing it


Entered at Mon Oct 24 15:06:51 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Dear Empty Now: I love your deliciously screwed syntax!

I hope you take that as the compliment it is meant to be.

I wish I was as charming in another language as you.

Sadly, S.M. in this moment stands for sorily monolinguistic!


Entered at Mon Oct 24 10:33:02 CEST 2011 from (41.97.215.114)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: The Band GB for the Nobel / the Mexican hat / on a famous bass progression

IP-address blocked? Missed it, as everybody know Sunday is my resting day, but something tells me that The Band GB irreversibly lost the Peace Nobel. as you know, Ilkka, a GB with deleted entries wont win the Nobel, remains a chance for the Nobel in Medicine, a recognition for The GB achievements in advanced researches on virtualparapsychopathic relief for distressed souls

This is a religious joke

On a Sunday in Mexico, big-fat Sancho entered in the middle of the sermon inside the twilight of the crowded church, big moustache over lips, Mexican hat on head, and guitar in hand, he dragged his imposing lazy girth beneath the congregation who, as he was moving forward, shouted a wave of severe mute orders "El Sombrero!" "El Sombrero" from every bank he reached.
Undisturbed, Sancho continued until the desk, pushing the priest away, he announced:
"to the unanimous request of the connoisseur public here today, I perform now my great hit song "El Sombrero"

on a completely unrelated note, for having merely worked the chord, it sounds to me that the Bass progression in the linked song above [0:36-0:44] is exactly the one of TNTDODD, Robbie or maybe Ricky should sue Jimmy


Entered at Sun Oct 23 22:31:53 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Garth gig 11.05.2011

From garthhudson.com:

Saturday, November 5, 8:00 PM - Garth Hudson joins Gent Treadly as special guest for this extraordinary evening of blues-based rock and roll. This event is to raise awareness and benefit the Musicians Aid Society of New York. Emelin Theatre, 153 Library Lane, Mamaroneck, NY. Tickets: 914.698.0098 or click here. Please come show your support!


Entered at Sun Oct 23 16:21:51 CEST 2011 from (111.94.173.186)

Posted by:

sandra

Location: USA
Web: My link

Subject: Interesting

Its nice to looking around your blog


Entered at Sun Oct 23 14:15:39 CEST 2011 from (59.101.31.34)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Thanks Jan

:)


Entered at Sun Oct 23 13:42:20 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Deleted one entry and the follow-up comments. Also blocked one IP-address.


Entered at Sun Oct 23 12:23:50 CEST 2011 from (90.239.123.13)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Guinness World Record in ukulele playing

Now this is getting really serious for us here in Sweden. Yesterday Music For Life Foundation tried to "steal" our Guinness World Record at Waikiki Shell Theatre in Honolulu. They didn't succeed.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 18:31:08 CEST 2011 from (41.97.202.130)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: 2 The Band Connections

1 - The first one concerns precious corpses (btw Stalin : that’s what i call a dictator), if you recall 1978 a few days before the release of TLW, the episode of the stolen coffin containing the body of Charlie Chaplin near Lausanne,CH with demand of ransom, it was tremendously mediated, a Rai song i don’t remember the name immortalized it in a line which vaguely translates as “Alive he makes history, death he makes history”

2 - I recall a text of Chateaubrian who traveled at the end of the 18th century both North-America (Saint Laurent and Mississipi) and the Middle-East, exposed some insightful common straits between the Arabs and the American First Nation, besides both living in tents, they were at an equal state of civilization, the former in the descending slope the latter in the ascending slope. There are also fundamental differences between the two indeed. Though those anthropological studies from the past were guilty of awful clichés, they are bearer of some indefectible truths (scientifically known as the Constants of a Nation) – you can read the full text in the link above if really interested, I precisely think of the paragraph “Arab contrasted with the Indian”


Entered at Sat Oct 22 17:27:50 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mike H, great post. Now if Honeyboy, Beak, and JR make Lee's scene with Butchie, Ricky, and Rando, we could have a real party.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 13:47:17 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Syria Mosque

RE: Syria Mosque Pittsburgh

"The wrecking ball seems destined to obliterate the Mosque within a year, now that the Shriners have agreed to sell the building for $10 million to a development company. If the Mosque goes, so will an era. That era began Oct. 26, 1916, when the Mosque was dedicated. The structure was built to house the activities of the Syria Temple, a local chapter of a international fraternal group whose members are called Shriners. "


Entered at Sat Oct 22 10:36:09 CEST 2011 from (41.97.202.130)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Pat B / dlew919 / Stalin's Funeral / History

Pat B: thanks for the precision, Fanon landed randomly on my immigration thoughts (surely not the best available model) of someone who HAD everything to go parasite a world that is not his own, but he chose to DO everything to make better the world that is his own.
but as a youngster replied me lately “why to rely on me personally ?

Dlew919: thanks for the list

This is the very first poem of Matar i heard :

One day Our Leader visited our village, he promised the bread, and he promised the milk
One day after, my friend Hassan asked “where is the bread ? and where is the milk ?”
One day after, I asked “where is my friend Hassan ?”

I posted this thread before the youtube age:

When Stalin’s death was officially announced, from Budapest to Vladivostok you could hear a fly buzzing. Cinematograph experts from the West accurately studied and analyzed the whole Stalin’s funeral footage until the least detail, more for learning from the advances of the skillful Soviet school. Where both the officials and the attendees are located ? Where cameras are directed ? etc..
To the essential question “but who are the spectators of the ‘show’ ” ? or “who are truly targeted by the impressing organization of the ceremonial ?” or “what is the privileged place to catch the best from the event ?”
the experts from the West set the evidence of a still frightening answer : the corpse of Stalin himself, …every little detail was done for the closed eyes of the Father of Nations

The cold war became threadbare and has been obsoleted by Vietnam
Vietnam became threadbare and has been obsoleted by the Israeli-Arab conflict
The Israeli-Arab conflict became threadbare and has been obsoleted by the Arab dictatorship facts
The Arab dictatorship facts became threadbare and has been obsoleted by the unrests

Where the hell to find now a succulent political subject to keep The Band GB hot ?
maybe cameras should be directed to New-York, remark there’s Iran too

Since Sykes-Picot, the colonization, the independences led by Kings, the revolt of young officers against Kings, the popular republics, the unrests, every spread-orchestrated events are nothing but time updates of a History which is achieving itself, don’t expect a better Arab world, the socio-civilizational gap with the West will remain intact for a long long time, the complex mechanism of development obeys more factors than the mode of governing


Entered at Sat Oct 22 10:20:09 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Fanon

Fanon was required reading in my politics course in 1968-1969 in Britain too. Fanon had the prestige of being published by Penguin books with that orange cover, whereas most of the stuff in the same course were dull little books published by People's Press of Moscow. Fanon's popularity on campus was because he could write in an involving way. However profound his thoughts, the same cannot be said of (e.g.) Julius Nyerere.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 08:07:47 CEST 2011 from (59.101.31.34)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Nobel Prize winners who weren't...

Arthur Conan Doyle; Ian Fleming; Morris West; Grahame Greene; Les Murray (though maybe next year...); Henry Handel Richardson; Bob Dylan;

There are many others...


Entered at Sat Oct 22 07:18:49 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, my Junior year was actually a lot of fun, and my Senior thesis was on Jacques Ellul and the Technocratic Era. My degree allows me to post things like this on the inet forty years later.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 07:07:26 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, I'm guessing it was a Shriner thing.

Empty Now, Fanon was very big on American campuses in the early 70's as were a lot of anti-colonial authors. We were coming to grips with the Vietnam mentality.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 05:40:50 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.68)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Error

Sorry, I meant 1979 of course. I'm watching No Direction Home right now and realised my mistake.


Entered at Sat Oct 22 02:49:39 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.68)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Sadavid

Thank you so much for this link. I was in Rotterdam last night and he performed this song with just as much force as back then.He did not play here until 1971 and just by accident I found some news footage on You Tube wich has recently been posted there by the museum 'Beeld en Geluid' (Image and Sound) in Hilversum. I went there once and it is amazing what you can find there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smol/VBbjNbk&feature=youtube_gdata_player is hopefully the correct link for the news item.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:44:37 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Dylan 1990

Thanks for the setlist, Mike. To think I was there for a rare outing of "TV Talking Song"... :) Quite right Kevin, my recollection is that it was a real rough concert, with a number of near-incomprehensible renditions. Seeing Dylan at the NYC Roseland shows in late '94, I was shocked at how dramatically better he'd gotten. On the basis of that Syria Mosque show, never would have dreamed I'd still be seeing (and enjoying) his shows, a full 21 years later.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:31:01 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Mike H, Shirley you jest.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:17:58 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Mike……Oh my…..not only was that the beginning of Bob’s multi-year foggy period that followed ( it did end mercifully by the mid 90’s ) but he mixed in “ Wiggle Wiggle” with “Masters of War” in the same set………….Will anyone ever forget his take on “Masters of War” during his Lifetime Achievement Grammy night……….Not a soul had a clue as to what song it actually was…….He did make up for it with perhaps the best acceptance speech ever heard at the Grammy’s……….Tom Petty later claimed George Harrison was so taken by Bob’s speech that he played it on tape over and over and over again.

Bill M: 5,6,7 and 9???? Well, well……….5 is “American Roulette” which is a simple little rocker that he later rewrote as “He Don’t Live Here No More”………I like it and still turn it up when heard on the radio….sounds good LOUD……………………6 is SDTCR which still stands as the most original FM rock song over the last 30 years. Superb………..7 is “Hells ½ Acre” – agree – very weak…..and 9 was just filler……and 4 is just proof that Camper Van Beethoven were right – U2 did murder rock n roll and should have been imprisoned 25 years ago to life sentences……..As to the Richard tribute song….I just always remember the “sometimes I thought you felt too much” line……….Give a choice and knowing that it often leads to pain – I would always choose to hang/live with those that “felt too much”……..


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:10:44 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Nice local biz award for Lee & Helmland. Butchie occasionally stops in, Rando recently performed there & I'm sure Ricky would've been happy for his old pal.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 22:10:21 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

How did Syria Mosque get its name? I have a Syrian mosque story, but it took place in Damascus, where I arrived on the last afternoon of Ramadan in '85. The downtown went crazy - in a good way - as soon as sundown arrived. Next morning I went for a wander in the vicinity of the great mosque. Because then-president Assad was scheduled to speak there that morning, on the occasion of the first day of the post-Ramadan festival, there were guys in golf shirts carrying sub-machine guns at every single corner of every single intersection. I decided this was no place for me to be should anything happen, so got the first bus north - to a couple of very pleasant days in Aleppo. I now wish I'd stayed longer, as the people were as open and friendly as those anywhere - in my experience anyway.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:59:04 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Bob feels the beat

"Ballad of a Thin Man" -- København 30 Apr '66.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:28:52 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Jon L. - 10/22/90 Dylan set list from Syria Mosque.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 21:11:42 CEST 2011 from (99.141.27.13)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Syria Mosque 1970

I recently posted the 16 track SBD audio of this gig on Dime. It's wonderful. There is also a 4 track DVD upgrade of the circulating footage from Syria Mosque, also on Dime. The whole show was filmed by Dutch TV, and in 1970 a portion was shown on TV (including King Harvest, Across The Great Divide, Strawberry Wine). It was rebroadcast years later in the early 1990s, without those songs and with The Weight added. So far that's all that has survived.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:23:19 CEST 2011 from (86.135.206.214)

Posted by:

Simon

I've just read "Apathy For The Devil" by Nick Kent, his memoir of the 70's, and it contains this little reminiscence about Wembley 1974:

"At the party afterwards at a West End watering hole called Quaglino's a wild-eyed, chemically impacted Young and an obnoxiously drunk-as-a-skunk Stills booed the ropey pick-up band hired to perform at their festivities off the makeshift stage and then climbed up and took over their instruments. Young immediately took control of the repertoire and started performing several sluggish-tempoed compositions from his just-released album On The Beach. Stills tried to play the drums but fell backwards off the stool after a couple of minutes. He then decided to approach the microphone and address the many illustrious English rock musicians who'd turned up to the event as invited guests. In a nutshell, he dared them to come up and match their playing skills with his. It was just a pissed-up brag but both Jimmy Page and John Bonham volunteered and played a memorable ten-minute jam with Young still firmly at the helm. Robbie Robertson of The Band also stepped up and he and Young got into a lively guitar duel that would have involuntarily curled the whiskers of any bearded man present in the room."


Entered at Fri Oct 21 19:18:29 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mike, the WG Endless Highway is a fake, and that's all the European film crew shot at the Syria Mosque. The audio has floated around for years.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 18:59:37 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

"Endless Highway" from '73 Watkins Glen.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 18:07:29 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Sadavid - that is an interesting video & wish there was more from that concert. There was question out there if John Lennon had actually shot that footage :).


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:32:22 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: syrious surfacing

Mike H: thanks for linking that wonderful set.
Your link led to this one, which is new to me at least. Lo-fi, but some spirited stuff here (great to hear all the boys yelling "Out on highway sixty-one!!").


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:31:48 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Matt Andersen's "Coal Mining Blues" - with appearance by Garth

Here's a link to an article about Matt Andersen's new album, recorded with Colin Linden at Levon's studio, and with a cameo appearance by Garth on accordion. A previous Vinyl Cafe appearance is where I first heard (of) him - singing "Ain't No Sunshine", one of his big party tunes.

Rockin' Chair: YouTube also has, in its collection of drum beats, Duris Maxwell's solo from Brahman's "Automatic Man". It also has the whole song, which is well worth a listen because you also get to hear the late great Robbie King on organ and vocals and the great Eddie Patterson on guitar. You can also find Duris singing lead (!) on another Brahman track, "Waiting To Love You". Nice story about seeing him in Sechelt in '62.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:23:13 CEST 2011 from (90.239.84.194)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: PutEmUppy and Butchie and Ricky

Just give me a break!!!! You and other _local patriots_ in your neck of woods should fix a flat tyre and get a map.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:05:09 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Wayward Hayward

Mike, referring to Dener as Butchie but not referring to Randy as Rando just seems as if you are wearing your father's coat but your mother's skirt. Please don't continue to refer to Rick as 'Ricky'on FB....that's a hanging offense. It's don't feel right coming from anyone other than Levon or Ronnie, Garth or Rick's family.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 17:03:25 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Duris.......2011

Since you were wondering Bill.............Here he is still doing it..... a little bar in the valley.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:57:38 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Jon L. - The video is from the Syria Mosque in Pitt. It's nice to see more videos surface.

This link is "This Wheel's On Fire" from the same gig.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:48:55 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Thanks Mike, that is some great footage. (That show must have been at the Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh, a great venue... I saw Dylan play there in 1990, apparently just a year before it was torn down.)


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:47:33 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Alias

Bill! Duris Maxwell.........is really Ted Lewis. Changed his name legally in 1970. He is two years younger than me.

I thought I may have mentioned before. On a New Years dance, at the old Roberts Creek community hall on the Sechelt Peninsula. (My folks lived there 35 years). My mother talked Evan into getting me up to sing a couple of songs, Ted, (Duris) was playing drums. He was 16. This was in 1962. I was feeling like the kid, until I saw him. However we never exchanged a word. I never heard of him again until he was with Skylark.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:47:02 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M..

Subject: Birds of a feather

I see RR was at the Clinton Foundation bash. I wonder if Levon was there? Was it not Levon who introduced the other four to another Southern Democrat (Jimmy Carter)?


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:40:16 CEST 2011 from (90.239.96.207)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The Holy Mafia and Nobel Prize

To Empty Now: "Yes."


Entered at Fri Oct 21 16:18:27 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

The Band - 11/01/70 - "Time To Kill" - Pittsburgh, PA.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 15:58:59 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: I think I spoke too soon re the first Robbie. I was only on track 4. But then comes 5, 6 (with Sammy's annoying Mini-Me vocals), 7 and 9. And even with 2 ("Showdown"), I have to wonder why the "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" intro, which in any case would have worked better in 1 ("Fallen Angel"). I do love "Fallen Angel" though - especially the last bit, ending with "Leave an angel in the snow". Also, I hadn't previously noticed or thought about the middle bit of the words, "All the tears, all the raging, all the blues in the night"; sad to think that Richard seems to have been so very upset for so very long.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 15:09:35 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

This past wkd's "Flood Aid Benefit" held in New Paltz, NY, w/ participants & organizers including Larry Campbell, Butchie Dener, Randy Ciarlante, Bow Thayer & Perfect Trainwreck, Connor Kennedy, Alexis P. Suter & many more, raised @ least $62K & still climbing.


Entered at Fri Oct 21 10:42:16 CEST 2011 from (41.97.190.45)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Pat B / S.M. / Obama / Ahmad Matar / Peter V

Pat B : great ! you well hidden your game. I guess that beyond the Wretched of the Earth you got to gather knowledge about the context, indeed since the time I am interested with the context in question and displaying my chips of instant knowledge in The Band GB, I should have looked a naive by moments. I believe the spell of The Band GB and what makes it the best place of the internet, is the freedom to stray from narrow music-The-Band-only discussions when necessary

S M :of course you answered so well. What did Obama, or what he didn’t do to have the Prize, that’s incredible. in 2009 a thousand of peaceful souls who don’t use the springboard of President of the USA are stolen of he reward, but the fault is for the Swedish Honorable Foundation

Opportunity to evoke Ahmad Matar, according to some observers he’s the greater Arabic speaking poet living today, Nobel worthy to keep the tread running indeed, Iraqi birth relatively young 56 years old, his poems of an awesome intelligence and pertinence reveal a top mastering of rhetoric and classic language, are a violent critic against everything Arab, self-flagellation, civilization and spirit, rulers and peoples, thus his last piece “From Obama”, released following Obama’s election, is a fiction imagining a talk between Obama and the Arab (?rulers), my favorite verse says something like

“any talk with Obama is wasted and misunderstood because he is a leader antinomic of your understanding of leader, he leads for being ensured that he leads a brave nation”

of course as every translation, the linked above doesn’t render exactly what I feel

Peter V : there’s a lot of front pages in the newspapers today, for whom do you work ? - 


Entered at Fri Oct 21 02:02:15 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Nice recent Picture of Robbie with Ronnie Hawkins on facebook

Nice to see them hanging out...


Entered at Thu Oct 20 20:53:40 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Subject: Randy Ciarlante

Just launched this facebook page w/ Randy w/ assistance & input from some great The Band community folk. Randy is certainly busy these days, especially in the relatively new trio "Ciarlante Katz Sharrard."


Entered at Thu Oct 20 20:48:45 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: If I'd had to do anything at all like a thesis in junior year (which must be the third of four years of undergrad university, right?), I would have considered myself to be among the Wretched of the Earth. Yeesh.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 20:12:22 CEST 2011 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Facta Non Verba

Empty Now: Barack Obama won a Noble Prize, that should answer your question!


Entered at Thu Oct 20 19:44:53 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

I did my Junior PoliSci thesis on Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth. Great thinker.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:53:07 CEST 2011 from (41.97.144.14)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Thanks Mr Peter V, for the anecdote

A wrong question (for Ilkka) and its right answer

Who is the more honor deserving : a Nobel Prize winner or any person worth the Nobel Prize who never won it ?

The Nobel Prize is a full part of the Establishment, otherwise Frantz Fanon would have won The Nobel Prize of Peace, Medicine, and Literature, all rolled in a one… for the year 1962 [precision: ex-aequo with Steinbeck for the literature] Accolade that he would have rejected besides, just like Sartre


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:53:24 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Barry Feinstein: Children on Steps

I have great admiration for the photography of Barry Feinstein. In fact, "Children on Steps" Liverpool 1966 is a wonderful photo as I have noted in the past. There are many fine Band photos. Worth a look.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:43:53 CEST 2011 from (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: RIP Barry Feinstein

Wanted to let you know, if you haven't heard already, that Barry Feinstein, the photographer who took many iconic photos of Dylan & The Band--including lots of pics from Tour '74 and the famous "Before the Flood" album cover--has passed away in Woodstock. He was 80 years old. God bless.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 16:23:17 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Rockin' Chair: Nice story about you and Andrew and the other guy. As for Duris Maxwell, I had no idea he got his start with Evan Kemp. As you suggest he was (and maybe still is, if he's still playing) a stunning talent. I saw him a couple times with the Powder Blues Band, but my clearest recollection is of when he played the El Mocambo here behind a hot-shot guitarist from Vancouver. Duris was clearly under orders to stifle himself, so stuck to fill-free metronoming - with one exception. Maybe three songs into the set he snuck in an amazing little fill (one or two beats at most) that had every head in the room swivel in his direction. They pretty much stayed that way, and there were calls for a drum solo for the rest of the evening (something otherwise unheard of), but we never got one.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 15:54:10 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Garland Jeffreys: "That's all you want...That's all we're looking for."

BEG: I saw Garland Jeffreys & his band performing an amazing version of "Coney Island Winter" recently on David Letterman's late night show. Their intense performance drew special praise from Mr. Letterman.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 13:22:11 CEST 2011 from (184.144.105.187)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

TUESDAY 15 NOVEMBER 2011
Garland Jeffreys
The GRAMMY Museum
Los Angeles, CA, US

FRIDAY 18 NOVEMBER 2011
Garland Jeffreys
with Xrt Show
FitzGerald's
Berwyn, IL, US

SATURDAY 19 NOVEMBER 2011
Garland Jeffreys
The Mod Club
Toronto, ON, Canada


Entered at Thu Oct 20 13:16:43 CEST 2011 from (184.144.105.187)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I probably bought the last stamp in town this week.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jim Weider, formerly of The Band, plays Mystic tonight
By Rick Koster


Entered at Thu Oct 20 12:13:34 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A similar story, which I was told by a Spaniard while Franco was still alive. I’ve heard it since situated in various dictatorships.

Every day, an old man walked past the newspaper vendor in Madrid. He always stopped and glanced at the front page, shook his head sadly and walked on.

One day, the newspaper vendor said, ‘Hey, you look at my newspapers every day, but you never buy one. What are you looking for?

‘The obituaries,’ said the old man.

‘But they’re not on the front page! They’re inside the paper near the back,’ said the vendor.

‘Oh, no,’ said the old man, ‘The obituary I’m waiting for will be on the front page.’


Entered at Thu Oct 20 10:33:43 CEST 2011 from (41.97.144.14)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Frantz Fanon

I heard this anecdote from a first eye witness and actor Short after the independence in Joinville, Psychiatric Hospital freshly baptized Hopital Franz Fanon, the managers seeing in the upcoming official visit of The President of The Republic and his staff an opportunity to demand an extra budget, asked an elite medic to train a group of selected psychopaths to proceed a theatrical scene to welcome the President, that which is, even for the insane of Joinville, more than an exploit. The medic selected a promising insane group and rehearsed during one week. Came the D-Day, there was a ceremonial tour that tremendously pleased the President and, the icing on the cake, when passing in the central alley near the Panel of fools standing on line and dressed in cleansed pajamas and shouting in choir "Long life Mister President of The Republic"
“wow! “ Mr President could not believe it, and approaching the Director and asked “but the sixth one, right there, didn’t say anything ?”, pointing in fact to the medic-coach,
to which the Director replied spontaneously: ”but Mr. President of The Republic, this one is not a fool "

In the link above, hats-off for one of the most respect deserving men in History : Frantz Fanon (1925, Fort-de-France, Martinique – 1961, Bethesda Maryland, USA)


Entered at Thu Oct 20 01:26:33 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Nostalgia

Yeah Bill! I'm sure you'll recall in our discussions about Evan Kemp, that was where Duris Maxwell started out. Drummer for Skylark with David Foster, Stevey Ray Vaghaun etc, etc. Wikipedia calls him 'A Canadian Treasure".

I have an interesting little story. I have just returned from Port Hardy, with the "Rockin Chair". Got all my electronics working now. Did some work on my tug & barge at PH, as I have two important jobs starting next week.

Anyway.....I'm sitting in IV'S pub the other night. A young man (big fella) sits beside me at the bar. Sarah, the bartender says to me. When you going to come back and play us some music Norm? So this young fellow, Andrew, (we introduce ourselves) says, "You play music?" beginning of the conversation.

Andrew is from southern Ontario, so the conversation quickly gets to "THE BAND". He is a great fan, and for such a young guy, knows a lot of the history, including the Hawkins and Dylan days. A friend of mine, a Newfy who works at the shipyard there sits down with us. Right about the time I'm explaining to Andrew about my boat, "Rockin Chair" and how I came by the name. So I'm telling him about the Youtube footage of Festival Express, Calgary to see Richard singing it. Well Andrew knew about Festival Express. All of a sudden, Barry my Newfy friend says, "Holy Shit! Norm you know I was at that concert! I went to see Janis Joplin. Now I know what you're talking about."

Well of course then we really had a good discussion about that tour. Quite a fun night.


Entered at Thu Oct 20 00:01:20 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.16)

Posted by:

Pat B

Going to see Jeff Beck used to be such a crap shoot. In the late 60's and through the 70's, you could see the best guitarist in the world or a pissed off time passer. But when he was on, whoo boy. The last ten years or so he seems completely comfortable and burns it up every single time. One of the few musicians I still go out and see.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 23:16:59 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Sleepwalk Guitar Festival, Toronto, Nov 4-6

GB guitar-lovers in the 416 and 905 might want to attend the fest at the link above. Includes Amos Garrett, the Sadies, Colin James and many many others. Even a James Robertson - no relation, I'm sure.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 22:46:12 CEST 2011 from (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: The Band, "Instant Band"

Bill M~that makes sense. I'm sure it was different overseas. Peter V~I never heard of that one, but it really is funny--and original!


Entered at Wed Oct 19 22:32:01 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w……Yes and thanks for the prompting. When I was younger there never seemed to ever be anything better to do but catch some music live…..these days it seems a bit more complicated…..and yet it really isn’t. Such a good vibe last night from the scalper who was straight with me about where the tickets were located to the people at the bar and the good folks in the crowd........Funny bit, the opening act a young guy from Texas named Tyler Bryant ( not great songs at this point but a very talented player ) noted that he would be happy to meet with anyone interested downstairs in the basement of Massey Hall ( where the bar is! ) after his set…to sell some CD’s and take pictures……..so I am standing looking over the Beck t-shirts on sale and standing right next to me meeting and greeting is Tyler………all standard stuff until near the end when most of us were heading back up to our seats for JB and a lady walks up to Tyler Bryant and says in a rather loud voice “and your name is?” without missing a beat, young Tyler grabs her hand and says “Hi I’m Tyler and I just played upstairs….would you like a cd? The lady replied “Well I guess I would”………………………………and a nice touch……Beck had Tyler join him on stage during the encore.

Bill M: I don’t listen to the” RR I” in full anymore as the U2 stuff grates but ‘Showdown at Big Sky” still knocks me out and sounds as fresh to me today as when I first heard it 25 years ago……also Rick’s voice on “Sonny Got Caught by the Moonlight” is perfect.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 21:42:27 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jon L: Funny, I've been listening to it this week too, for the first time in forever, after having second thoughts and rescuing it from my personal delete bin. And I find it truly enjoyable, much as you say. I also retrieved what is probably my fifth copy of Robbie's first for another try, and am finding I now like it a lot. Maybe I'm just in a good mood.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 21:29:29 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: An appreciation of Jubilation

Chatting about the 1990s Band a few weeks back made me think of Jubilation, the final (1998) Band album, and I've been playing it again the last few nights. While I understand why the early OQ albums will always be the gold standard for Band fans, IMO Jubilation is an excellent album and is unjustly underappreciated. It's a near-perfect 'autumnal' listen, managing to sound both poignant and fun/lively at the same time. The sound has warmth and variety to it, and the songs don't sound like knockoffs of those from the Band's glory days. The early sequence of Book Faded Brown through High Cotton is probably my favorite...all four songs are excellent and it flows nicely, with Don't Wait still a particular favorite (and would still like to hear Levon try it live someday). Some really sweet vocals from Rick throughout the album too. Finally, I love that Garth has the last (instrumental) track to himself... in the end, how appropriate that Garth got in the final word on The Band. I haven't seen mention of this album here in a dog's age, so just curious what everyone else thinks of it.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 20:45:32 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Well, a spark would be nice. Still, in those kind of situations it's generally going to be the studio guys who are called on, if only because the producer will be comfortable that they'll do right no matter what, and will immediately understand a direction along the lines of, "Hey Dave, play that riff from 'I'll Take You There'".

I love Larry Atamanuik's punchy style on, for example, "Biscuit's Boogie" (on KBB's first album) and "Marblehead Messenger" (on Seatrain's second).


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:57:23 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Hawkins + Hawkins

Bill M: As good as Larry Atamanuik is as a drummer, with Roger Hawkins at Muscle Shoals, along with David Hood on bass, what more could you ask for in the rhythm department? Their work on such classics as the Staple Singers' "I'll Take You There" is definitive of the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section sound. "Help me now...Mercy!"


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:46:13 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Kevin, glad to hear you got there. He's the best in the business in my opinion and it sounds like he is holding steady at the top of the heap. Happy to know you saw a great performance.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 19:06:55 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Beck Review

...for those that couldn't open the other attachment.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:27:25 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Went to see Jeff Beck last night. Only decided at about 6:00pm and although the show was effectively sold out, picked up great seats from a scalper – 13 rows back from stage dead centre on aisle. Interesting in that the guys from the Tragically Hip were sitting a few rows in front of me as was ( Band connection ) Rob Bowman……………………Just a great night – perfect sound and a wonderful performance…..Having a beer downstairs in Massey Hall before the show and looking at the Band poster from early 70’s made me wonder about how great it would have been to see them in the same setting. I am sure some here did!


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:09:50 CEST 2011 from (99.250.10.113)

Posted by:

GregD

Sadavid-thanks for the link to the Wounded Birds Records site, and for the info that they've released those 2 Hawkins albums recorded in the wake of the publicity the Hawk received from the Band's then-current success.

Bill M- if you scroll down a bit on the aforementioned Wounded Birds site, you'll see that they've also released the "Fludd" album in CD format. Nothing from A Foot in Cold Water?


Entered at Wed Oct 19 18:03:48 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Thanks - good to know. Interesting catalogue otherwise, though not always particularly accurate - e.g., Fludd did more than two LPs, and 54.40 more than one. As the cover shots for the Hawkins project show the US cover for the second (an old photo that dates back to '68, when it was used for an early Canada-only Hawkins LP), then they're likely also using the tapes from the US release. On the Canadian release of the second LP had Atkinson, Danko, Ford, Hilton and Brockie backing Hawkins on "Patricia" and "Lonely Weekend", whereas the US release had the same Criteria guys that appear on the other songs. For the first album Hawkins took three of his Toronto musicians down to Muscle Shoals with him - Scott Cushnie, Larry Atamanuik and King Biscuit Boy. While Cushnie and Newell were used on the rave-ups with Duane Allman, Atamanuik wasn't used at all.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 17:30:48 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: wounded bird hawks hawk

2 old Ronnie Hawkins LPs are new releases on CD:

"Ronnie Hawkins is a rockabilly singer who may be more famous for his backup musicians than his own music. His backup group from the early 1960s, The Hawks, evolved into The Band. His two most sought after albums have never been issued on CD, until now. What makes these albums so special is the guitarist on both albums is Duane Allman. _Ronnie Hawkins_ was originally issued on the Cotillion label in 1970. Along with Duane Allman, it also features King Biscuit Boy and Eddie Hinton. _The Hawk_ was originally issued on the Cotillion label in 1971. Besides Duane Allman, it also features Donald "Duck" Dunn on bass and The Memphis Horns."

"Wounded Bird Records was formed in 1998 as a label that specializes in the reissue of albums from the 60's, 70's and early 80's on compact disc. All of their releases are properly licensed from the owner of the original masters, in most cases the original record label and sometimes the artists themselves. They strive to reproduce the original album cover artwork, converted to accommodate the CD size format."


Entered at Wed Oct 19 16:50:50 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Caveat Emptor

A few years ago, when Levon & the Barnburners played at a bar in Winder, Ga., I called ahead to ask about tickets. The girl who answered the phone at Chip's, located between Atlanta & Athens, told me I could pay at the door and added, in her Southern accent, that "Lee-von" wouldn't be singing, just playing drums with the group. I told her that I was aware that Levon was recovering from his cancer treatments and thanked her just the same for her courtesy of informing customers of the situation.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 15:57:14 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Carol: Thanks for those insights into booking practices. My guess is that whatever the musicians were booked as for the shows in Australia, the promoters in Australia would have printed up posters promoting "The Band" and the club marquees would have said "The Band" - and nobody on this side of the Pacific would 1) have known, 2) have cared, or 3) been able to do anything about it without a ton of trouble and expense. See my Steve Marriott post from yesterday.

Rod: Good to know you're still out there, even if mostly in lurk mode. I was surprised to see that they'd played Kuranda, which was a tiny place in the hills in '82. You could get there by road, but most visitors arrived by ye olde touristy steam train from Cairns.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 15:14:39 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: The Rolling Stones "Some Girls Live in Texas 1978"

We saw the Rolling Stones concert film last night and, for the Stones fans here, I highly recommend it. The DVD will be available on November 21. The sound is pristine and the performance was amazing.

Looking back to that time it becomes apparent that the Stones were responding in their way to the punk movement and put down a very edgy and powerful performance. It is a great show and I'll be happy to add it to our video collection.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:36:44 CEST 2011 from (41.97.146.12)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: EL CAMINO

It is mechanically impossible for a man to write this song without the effect of some kind of soft drug

Gipsy King – The Band Connection is of public domain

now what I used to name “my little malice by passing” : The more I watch my two posts below linked video, “khayala” (The Riders), the more I believe by negation that I find it sublime only because it is shot in its natural ground, the same show would be null if it was shot in Ontario for example, and even in Hollywood, I am almost sure, it never works

I Love the Earth , the Gibson sound, and (Don’t tell anybody) I am anti-extreme-immigration ideologist, unless it is unavoidable and intended to preserve the global ecosystem of the planet


Entered at Wed Oct 19 10:23:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Years ago I had a cassette of the Queensland show, and there was a little photocopied flier on it. It was billed as "INSTANT BAND … featuring Rick Danko and Garth Hudson …" rather than as "The Band".

These are notes for a projected short review for "Jawbone" that never happened.

The band was Rick Danko- bass, vocal / Garth Hudson - keyboards, accordion, saxophone / Sredni Vollmer - harmonica, vocal / Blondie Chaplin - guitar, vocal / Terry Cagle- drums, vocal / Buddy Cage - steel guitar, plus Maude Hudson joined them on the last number.

CONTENTS:

Milk Cow Boogie

Either Blondie Chaplin or Sredni Vollmer -lead vocal,

Twilight

Mystery Train

Ophelia

Terry Cagle-lead vocal

I Can’t Find My Way Home

Blondie Chaplin -lead vocal

It Makes No Difference

Rick Danko - lead vocal

Sail On Sailor

Blondie Chaplin-lead vocal

Wish you were here with me

Rick Danko - lead vocal

Up On Cripple Creek

Terry Cagle-lead vocal

Kansas City

Probably Terry Cagle-lead vocal, Garth Hudson - saxophone

Spoonful

Sredni Vollmer - lead vocal

The Weight

Terry Cagle - lead vocal, verses 1,3 and 5. Blondie Chaplin - lead vocal, verse 2. Rick Danko - lead vocal verse 4. Cagle and Danko together on verse 5.

The Shape I’m In

Rick Danko - lead vocal

Keep On The Sunny Side

Rick Danko - lead vocal, Maude Hudson, harmony vocal, Garth Hudson - accordion


Entered at Wed Oct 19 08:01:37 CEST 2011 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Band in Australia

If I'd known at the the time that The Band were playing in Australia I'd have flown over from NZ without a second thought. It would have been a big let down though to find Levon wasn't there. A bit like seeing one of the franchised versions of the Drifters.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 04:21:48 CEST 2011 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Band shows, the list

For anyone interested, shows may have been billed as The Band with just 2 members--perhaps overseas--but, generally speaking, three members were necessary for billing as THE BAND. For starters, I know for a fact that a show featuring Rick, Levon & Garth and booked & promoted as THE BAND commanded a higher fee than with two members. In addition, the road crew, travel arrangements, merchandising, etc., were different when it was The Band. They normally did not take the tour bus when it was two members. Rick did not have a bass tech when he went out on his own or with Garth or with Levon only. The set lists were different, promotion and publicity were different, the booking agents were different, etc. When Rick & Garth played with Tommy Spurlock on Mountain Stage in '89, it was NOT booked as THE BAND.

I have copies of many of Rick's contracts in various configurations, and none of them with two members say THE BAND, though they may say "OF The Band." Rick's booking agent also booked Rick & Garth together. For a brief time, he also booked Levon as a solo act. He did NOT book The Band--Steve Martin of TAG was The Band's agent for a long time, and he did not book the individual members. If a show was booked as THE BAND, it meant that three members were there. There were rare exceptions to this, as when Rick was in Japan in the summer of '97. Many of those Band shows had already been booked.

When Rick & Garth did "A Day in the Garden" in '99, I handled press, and was very careful not to call it THE BAND, as it would have been misleading. The press photos were also different.

There were numerous configurations, i.e., Rick Danko & Friends, the Rick Danko/Garth Hudson Band, Levon Helm & Friends, the Levon Helm Band, Levon Helm and Rick Danko OF The Band.

Sometimes there was some crossover or cross promotion but there were real differences in the shows.


Entered at Wed Oct 19 03:04:10 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Looks like Original Ramble band member Little Sammy Davis must have recovered from his stroke. He's booked at the Tribute to Little Walter in Hollywood on nov 24th. Wonderful that he is up and able to do what he loves.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 21:34:52 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: ivory for a guitar - but from a very dead mammoth

Peter V / David P: All sorts of interesting bits and pieces went into the making of the guitar at the link, which should open with the bit about the ivory in the head - from the skeleton of a mammoth dug up in the Arctic. If you dig around a bit, you'll see that BARK's Stephen Fearing was among the first to play the thing.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 19:20:32 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Hawaii 00-42K

It takes an axe to make an axe.

The limited edition Robbie Robertson Martin 00-42K guitar features Hawaiian koa, Madagascar rosewood and an ebony brige.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 19:00:32 CEST 2011 from (41.97.174.216)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M : LOL

and you surely care that beyond being my favorite Gipsy King song, “El Camino” is among my all songs best ever, i always tie this song with a trip on a summer day somewhere in the Mediterranen Southern coast, there was a Camusian sun, blue sky, green Atlas mountain edge, golden sand beach, El Camino playing, seldom music vibed as well in unison with the landscape, i even heard a Gibson riff,truly el camino del verano

now or never is given the opportunity, duno a Hindu version of the song, commercially very successful, O Jaana by Raaz, i even hear a Gibson riff

Moral :I am an ecolo, lover of Earth and concerned with its long term future, and I love the Gibson sound

…and I need the Gibson sound to acutely enjoy the spell of the nature: en mi tierra en el mundo

. PS: don’t miss my previous link, what pleased me in it is seldom I felt a people vibed as well in unison with the landscape, though two songs the same day is above and contradictory with my listening ideology


Entered at Tue Oct 18 18:59:36 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Humble Pie played Australia when I was living there in '82. Steve Marriott was the only real HP vet in the lineup, I believe. (Organist was Steppenwolf's Goldy McJohn.) Years later I read Marriott saying that what he'd seen as the Steve Marriott Band was also booked back then as the Small Faces. Club owners! By the way, Pte Claire is the hometown of original Cameo Blues Band drummer Bill Bryans.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 18:28:53 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Pics of the Levon gig @ Gill's Farm.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 18:22:56 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

JT……Indeed it did happen too often. Though Carol noted earlier that most including “bookers” used the 3 core guy rule, I recall seeing Rick Danko in the early 1990’s ( late 91 or early 92 ) at the Pointe Claire hotel in Pointe Claire Quebec ( It had once been called the Pioneer club ) and the ticket stub read “The Band”….I knew better but some around me had thought they were going to see the Band. Interesting note on that show….Mack Mackenzie of the overlooked almost great Montreal band “Three O’clock Train” opened the show with a brief acoustic set…..Mackenzie was Canada’s Paul Westerberg.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 18:11:54 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V / RtO / others in the UK: Looking for info on a UK band of the '70s, I found the following snippet. Anybody see them? Any records?

"In 1975 "The New Music Express" readers’ poll voted the Michigan Flyers England’s best live act. The Flyer’s appeared with Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames, Brinsley Schwartz, Doctor Feelgood, The Winkies, Big Jim Sullivan and Ray Flack."


Entered at Tue Oct 18 17:00:25 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Empty N: I like the Malouf song. Also, I'd say that the oud in your joke was fortunate; imagine if the wood had ended up in Tiny Tim's ukelele instead - though at least it would have been able to say that it had recorded with the guys who went on to be the Band.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 16:23:51 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: THE BAND IN AUSTRALIA

The recent submission of shows (John Stirrat) shows that 'THE BAND' shows sometimes occurred with only 2 members of 'THE BAND' present but were still advertised as 'THE BAND' prior to the show. To date, I am putting these shows into the list and will continue to do so for any show advertised as 'THE BAND'. When John and others went to those shows, I assume they were going to see 'THE BAND' and not Garth and Rick and some other musicians. (different I guess than seeing a show (like the one at B B McGoons) which was not put out there as a "THE BAND" show. Please continue to send shows like these in and thank you, John.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 16:14:24 CEST 2011 from (41.97.144.79)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: listless moment


Entered at Tue Oct 18 16:12:47 CEST 2011 from (41.97.144.79)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: even in the listles moments

Thanks Mr David P for the information, and the relevancy added, the kind of tips that preserve the leading rank of this forum over the internet

The Gibson controversy recalls me of a famous line from the lyrics of a Malouf song, of which the global meaning vaguely is

“and the oud told the musician : It was worth to machine me oud, for your song and your voice remind me of those of the nightingale who used to stay on my branch when I was tree”

The linked above nice songclip has nothing to do with anything, actually it is Egyptian, and, the repeated chorus just says: “Daughter never trust a rider”

the limpid voice of an old Egyptian singing with conviction in the pure Baladi tradition somewhere down Egypt countryside is just heartbreaking (1:52)


Entered at Tue Oct 18 16:00:09 CEST 2011 from (99.250.10.113)

Posted by:

GregD

John D- Yes it was a very memorable show that Rick and Levon put on at BB McGoon's. It was quite a raucous atmosphere and the place was packed. If I remember correctly (which I may not!) the Cameo Blues Band tried (unsuccessfully) to get Rick & Levon to join them onstage for a number or two at the end.

Bill M- Yes, it's too bad the BB McGoon's thread hadn't come up at the time of the tribute for Pete Traynor. I didn't realize the Cameo Blues Band reunited for the event. A long time since the Isabella days!

BEG- yes, the venue was already known as BB McGoon's at the time of the show.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 13:20:42 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Today’s paper reprinted my favourite Tommy Cooper joke, which is relevant today.

In days of old, when knights were bold, a knight came into the King’s court.

‘Ah, Sir Cuthbert …’ said the King, ‘We haven’t seen you for a while. What have you been up to?’

‘Sire,’ said the bold knight, ‘On your behalf, I have been attacking your enemies in the North. I’ve been robbing, and pillaging and burning their villages.’

The King frowned, ‘But I don’t have any enemies in the North.’

‘You do now,’ said the knight.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 12:45:57 CEST 2011 from (121.209.169.233)

Posted by:

John Stirrat

Location: Sydney

Subject: The Band Gigs

Here are a few more gigs from "The Bands" 1988 Australian tour;/n They did 3 consecutive nights at The Enmore Theatre, Sydney in June, 1988/n (A Tuesday through Thursday)/n The Friday night at "Tramps" Night Club in Blacktown in Sydney/n And the Saturday Night at Dapto Leagues club, Dapto, NSW (Approximately 70 minutes South of Sydney)/n I was young and keen and went to all 5 gigs!/n If pushed I'd estimate that the gigs were in the week after the Kuranda, QLD gig listed/n (I purchased a tape of The Kuranda sHOW that they were selling at the Enmore gigs./n I will see if i can put myself in front of a calendar from 88 to see if I can make a 100% determination on those dates./n The lineup for this tour was Garth & Rick with Terry Cagle filling in for Levon who was exploring his emerging Film work, Buddy Cage, Blondie Chaplin and Sredni Volmer./n During this tour they made two australian tv appearances; Played "The Weight" on a popular Tonight show of the era called The Don Lane show/n And did a interview / intro segment for a screening on TV of The Last Waltz probably on a movie night hosted by a famous Australian movie critic Bill Collins./n I got to meet Rick twice during that Tour as well as and remains to this day one of the few times in my life when meeting a hero has exceeded expectations (by far!) /n Rick was his warm, generous, wonderful self./n He said he wanted to come back to Australia but of course sadly didn't make it. Cheers, John Stirrat


Entered at Tue Oct 18 09:50:49 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Back on the ivory … I can think of at least two airports that used to have a huge display case of confiscated ivory items. Was one Toronto? I'm sure the other was in the USA.


Entered at Tue Oct 18 03:45:07 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Subject: Garthantuan News

Garth & the Gent Treadly Band

concert to raise money for the Musician's Aid Society

nov 5

Emelin Theatre - 914.698.0098

153 Library Lane

Mamaroneck, New York 10543



Entered at Mon Oct 17 23:22:47 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: channeling the inner Marx Brother ...

David P's knotty / naughty pun is Groucho territory, while Peter V is clearly a student of the great philosopher Chico. Whether we hear a celestial harp in the background, or a flatulent bicycle horn, will tell us where Steve landed.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 23:06:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The whole knotty problem could cause ructions for musicians travelling with vintage guitars. Wouldn't they have used ivory in the past? Technically, I have a feeling that being an antique may not help over importing ivory into various countries … though I doubt that customs and excise are burning Chippendale furniture or 19th century pianos because of the odd bit of ivory. I assume that once the elephant's been dead a hundred years it becomes irrelevant.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 22:10:00 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Knock On Wood

Bill M: I couldn't help thinking about the Eddie Floyd/Steve Cropper classic song. There's been speculation in the press that the raid on the Gibson factory may in part have some political motivation. It seems that Gibson's CEO has a history of donating money to the Repbulican party. His counterpart at competitor C.F. Martin, which uses some of the same wood, is a long-time contributor to the Democratic party, and his factory has not been investigated or otherwise hassled over the knotty issue :-)


Entered at Mon Oct 17 21:04:40 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "Cripple Creek" / Evan Kemp / Butch McGillis / Fendermen

David P: Any mention of abalone reminds me of a gone on what I regard as Love's finest LP - the Blue Thumb one, was it "Out There"?

Coincidentally, I find that I wrote my last note as the traditional fiddle tune, "Cripple Creek" was playing on a CD I picked up over the weekend. It's a British Museum (!!) compilation of BC singer / C&W bandleader Evan Kemp's records recorded for Aragon records in Vancouver in the '50s. (Rockin' Chair remembers Evan well, I know). Kemp's fiddler in the late '50s, and quite possibly on "Cripple Creek", was a guy name Butch McGillis, who soon moved across the Rockies to play rockabilly guitar in the Rockatunes in Edmonton. McGillis and most of the rest of the Rockatunes subsequently signed on to accompany Phil Humphrey as the Fendermen, who were listed on the bill alongside our guys at Tony Mart's (which David P, I believe it was, posted here a week or so ago).


Entered at Mon Oct 17 20:29:49 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: If they've raided the Gibson factory in Nashville, shouldn't the agents have also pulled into Nazareth by now?

Kevin J: I wouldn't be too sure about the 'up there' part of your nod to our fallen comrade.

GregD: I wish I'd known to ask the Cameo guys about the show at BB McGoons a week ago when most of regrouped to act as house band during the Peter Traynor tribute. Including Ray Harrison, who played keyboards from almost the beginning right to the end. Before him, in the very original Cameos, came Scott Cushnie, who is worth noting because of his past with Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 20:08:24 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Shell Game

Peter: Nowadays ivory inlays have been replaced with mother of pearl, abalone, plastic or wood.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 19:49:03 CEST 2011 from (74.190.49.21)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Concert List

Some shows that I saw along the way not appearing on the list so far. My apologies for the lack of specifics regarding dates.

Twice at Meriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD in back to back summers of '70 & '71.

At the Baltimore Civic Center in early December '71.

At Capital Centre in Largo, MD in either '74 or '75 (this may be the show already listed as August '74). Aerosmith (!) was the opening act.

In Worcester, MA in March '87 (can't recall the venue) - Roger McGuinn opened.

Anybody out there see any of these shows as well? I tried researching them on the web to no avail.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 19:39:10 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ebony & Ivory

Even if searching for perfect harmony, I suggest the Gibson factory people avoid mentioning "tinkling the ivories" while in conversation with the investigators. Fortunately they don't make pianos, but what were the inlaid dots on the fretboard historically?


Entered at Mon Oct 17 19:12:30 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Can't see the forest for the fretboards?

U.S. federal agents have raided the Gibson Guitar factory in Nashville twice recently. The controversy arises over the alleged use of illegally sourced ebony wood from Madagascar & India, which is used for guitar fretboards. Gibson has denied the allegations, which technically involve the laws of those foreign nations, rather than U.S. law.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 19:05:16 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pearcy House

The Pearcy House was the Pearcy House until 1982. It was renamed B B McGoon's in 1982. BEG. P. Whitey Glan was the drummer for The Mandala & Bush with Domenic Troiano, Roy Kenner and Prakash John. I was the M.C. at Massey Hall one night for Louuuuuu; with Whitey on drums, Prakash on bass and Mike Fonfara on keyboards.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 18:49:37 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Sadavid……I’ll give you my take by way of a replay of a game I saw a few months back from the 1970’s. I moved in March and upgraded my TV package to one that now has about 9000 channels including a thing called “Leafs TV”…..A mostly dreadful place that natters on about the Leafs but occasionally they replay a game from another era that is illuminating………on this occasion, the game in question was Leafs vs. Philadelphia Flyers 1974 ( prime time Broad Street Bullies )……..there were a few fights but what was quite stunning was the lack of actual hitting….over the course of 40 minutes as I watched 2 whole periods – I counted only 3 body-checks and not a single “boarding” or aggressive hit into the boards. Of course, almost no one was wearing helmets so that explains much of it but the bigger reason was length of shifts. In the 70’s, Bobby Clarke’s line or Guy Lafleur’s line or Sittler’s line would regularly take 2:00 minute shifts and as such had to pace themselves somewhat. For crying out loud Phil Esposito would stay out for up to 3 minutes at a time! ……..Now a days, players at all levels of hockey take maximum 30-40 second shifts and are going at full speed at all times……While some marvel at the speed of the game ( and indeed it IS faster ) it is not better to watch and we are left with a whole lot of swish and banging but not as many pretty plays that the game of the 70”s and into the first half of the 1980’s ( the great Edmonton Oilers era ) produced. The mantra of “finishing your check” which we all were trained to do has morphed into “knock his fu*king block off” and do it with padding which used to be leather but is now effectively concrete……….Very sad and concussions are a very serious issue. Finally the NHL is doing something about it but the resistance led by Don Cherry and his spineless sidekick Ron Maclean is predictable……I love hockey as it has been a big part of my life but sometimes following the NHL can be a challenge…..


Entered at Mon Oct 17 18:03:03 CEST 2011 from (206.47.33.101)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Jeff Beck will be in town tomorrow at Massey Hall.

GregD: I still remember meeting Pentii Glan that night as one of my friend's knew him. I had a hard time believing that she knew one of Louu's drummers at the time. The building was called The Pearcy House, right?


Entered at Mon Oct 17 17:49:59 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: discussing concussing

Kevin J: I've been wondering what Steve would add to the current discussion re: head shots, goons, &c.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 17:24:09 CEST 2011 from (70.50.66.138)

Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w: Thank you my friend. I am well and relaxed after spending a few days in the country. As to Jeff Beck….funny as I was 90 minutes North of Montreal during the last week and just as we arrived and turned on the TV – an advertisement on a Montreal station caught my ear….”multi Grammy award winner, 2 time Rock n Roll Hall of Fame inductee, considered the world’s greatest electric guitar player……Jeff Beck is playing Place Des Arts on October 15”………………………..I really would have liked to attend had it been at all possible as Place Des Arts is a fine venue to see a show and by all accounts the current Beck show is as good or better than any he has ever done. I have seen him twice but not since his remarkable rebirth over the last 5 years……by the way, I am still playing and enjoying “Emotion and Commotion” very much and his “Rock n Roll Party” dvd is just a great disc to put on if guests are in the house……Women love it which is a nice change.

…… anyone else wondering about the absolute ruckus our old GBer Steve must be causing up above with his take on “Occupy Wall Street”


Entered at Mon Oct 17 17:07:42 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

I remember that night as well; although not as well as GregD. I don't remember the Cameo Blues Band; just the boys. Great show.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 16:38:44 CEST 2011 from (99.250.10.113)

Posted by:

GregD

BEG-yes, it was at B.B. McGoon's where Rick and Levon performed as a duo, shortly before the Band reunion (minus Robbie). I happened to catch that show, but unfortunately did not tape it. Rick played acoustic guitar, and Levon played acoustic guitar, mandolin and harmonica. If I remember correctly, the Cameo Blues Band opened the show.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 15:13:05 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

In conservation areas in Britain, trees at each address are numbered on maps. So we have SP1 (Scot's Pine 1), MP 3 (Monterey Pine 3), BCH 1 (beech 1), HO 2 (Holm Oak 2) etc on the TPO (tree preservation orders) maps.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 13:22:40 CEST 2011 from (69.158.26.46)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Photos (4) of Robbie Robertson

© Williams Studio Photography + Design


Entered at Mon Oct 17 13:12:37 CEST 2011 from (69.158.26.46)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Classic Albums Live
Massey Hall, Toronto
Celebrating the music of The Band: The Last Waltz
Friday November 25, 2011
8 PM

Hi JT: You can add the venue to The Band's gig list for January 16, 1970...University of Guelph.


Entered at Mon Oct 17 12:21:58 CEST 2011 from (41.97.151.29)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: one precious trees and unworthy humans

one curiosity that particularly challenged my thoughts during a hike in the mountains, some will even be intrigued : every Cedar tree has a registration number carved on a wooden panel carefully inlay in his trunk, just like a Rolls-Royce car, serious. what’s the reason and usefulness of a registration number for a Cedar, though precious, it has roots anchored for ages ?
I’ve heard of a man with no registration number who, when asked to undergo the rigorous medical checks of circumstance, challenged the doctor “Do you seriously believe than somebody who just came on foot through Sahara needs a medical check ? Sahara did his uncheating check !”
alluding that his less fortunate road companions died in the sand, I’ve heard on others who do the intercontinental flight inside the luggage compartment of a cargo, and lately a group of globerovers of a different kind who swam Ostende-Ramsgate hung on driftwoods, and the ones who once installed in the North-West luxury never found a better way to do a living than to go volunteer for test on their body experimental new medicaments factored by a pioneering pharmaceutical company, guineapigs from the 3rdW, and the ones who when realizing that the mine they are working in produces radioactive mineral, said “I am paid in $s no matter the effects”
this is the evolution of species on march, at the time when trees become rare, thus precious and humans from the 3rdW not.
This post intends just to add precision as I wrote a few posts below “migration moves which can be seen today are something new”, something new, at the image of the new order, is to be understood, in its widest aspects, starting by the biological aspect. For many GBers this post doesn’t bring any information, all are common facts from the public domain, but say that politicians knew it before us, they have their privileged channels, and their sole ideology is keeping their privilege and position, specially when they pretend to do a well intended job, this is the nature of things it never changes.

IMPORTANT : this post must be read in listening to the linked above song

…and never forget it, in Amazig Language (Berber) the Cedar tree is called IDGHAL



Entered at Mon Oct 17 10:06:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A snippet from "Shindig" magazine. In a Buffalo Springfield reunion article it mentions Robbie talking in 2003 about Gold Star studios. Key to the Highway and Long Distance Operator stem from these Big Pink outtake sessions, but Robbie says there were two more which are lost.

Rick mentioned "Thousand Miles From Nowhere" as an outtake once which must be Mose Allison's "One Room Country Shack"


Entered at Mon Oct 17 06:50:51 CEST 2011 from (71.34.17.73)

Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Levon and Rick

NUX, That sound track was labeled Portland 1983. Same time frame as to what you down loaded though.

As I've stated here numerous times I'm very late in coming to The Band, so when I find these intimate shows that many of you in here were fortunate enough to see I'm blown away on how good it must of been to have been there. I did however get to see Levon and his band in Saint Paul three years ago and it remains as one of the thrills of my life...


Entered at Sun Oct 16 23:16:19 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Levon and the Hawks: Did you know...?

Did you know that after Levon and the Hawks finished their 'primary tour' in Canada and the USA in the fall of 1965... they returned to Toronto and played the Friar's Tavern again in December including New Year's Eve. I have scoured the Toronto Daily Star archive pages (you can pay to do this) and have found ads and references to their return to Toronto after California in late 1965. There is some interesting stuff in those archives.


Entered at Sun Oct 16 16:37:42 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: 3 of 5

BEG

Good to 'see' you back again. Concert lists have resurrected memories for many and most of those have been welcomed by those who sent in their info. Yes: 3 or 5 original members has been the entry point for a spot on the list. So far. Of course, as some have noted, all shows are interesting and at some point it may be that we will put in any show by any 'Band' member. To be complete, that will take a lot of input but anything is possible. We'll keep at 3 of 5 for the present. To everyone reading... keep sending dates and locations in and as someone said "Thanks for the memories".


Entered at Sun Oct 16 15:49:59 CEST 2011 from (184.144.104.23)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Robbie Robertson (The Band) May 19, 2011 interviewed during the Non-COMM at the Queen Theater in Wilmington, De USA "

© NelsonMuntzPhoto


Entered at Sun Oct 16 15:44:07 CEST 2011 from (184.144.104.23)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Gorbould's photostream July 6, 2011 (a day after his birthday)....I guess this site was too busy to acknowledge it.

"I took this shot (and others) of Robbie Robertson recently when he was in the CBC studios to tape My Playlist, a discussion of some of his favourite songs."


Entered at Sun Oct 16 15:34:55 CEST 2011 from (184.144.104.23)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I hope my Band buddy Rollie is playing his harps in a peaceful place. We had so many good times teasing each other in the GB (real buddies can do that) and communicating by email, headphones via of hotmail, photos, sharing music with each other and of course, he sent the little snippet of "Angelina's Blues"("Alright honey, a little blues for Angelina right now....") which will stay with me forever. His energy, personality, fun filled positive vibes and music are really missed......He loved his...."Sweet Jane". Thank you for the time we shared together Jeff Newsom.

I saved some Band links before I became super busy. Apologies if these links have already been posted.

"And here's to some musical celebration too, with Robbie Robertson's playlist":

Eric Clapton, "It's In The Way That You Use It"
Steve Winwood, "Back in The High Life"
Johnny Cash, "Hurt"
Telepopmusik featuring Angela McClusky, "Breathe"
Black Uhuru, "Sponji Reggae"
Dawes, "When My Time Comes"
Robert Randolph and the Family Band, "I Still Belong to Jesus"
The Band, "It Makes No Difference"

On the Band gig list I don't see the one show I saw with Rick and Levon at The Pearcy House on Bloor St. W. in 1983 which was called B.B. McGoon's later. Or are at least three Band members required for the list? Hmmmm...Or was the building called The Pearcy House and the venue was B.B. McGoon's? It still bothers me today that I can't remember Rick and Levon performing at this show, but I can remember others things that happened that night.....If anyone has the tape......

NB: I tried to get back to NG, but couldn't get through......

JT: I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad.....that others could help you.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 20:23:25 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Eliza Carthy

Saw the Eliza Carthy Band last night. Review is linked … she does a great show.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 18:53:53 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road IsA Goddamn Impossible Way Of life
Web: My link

Subject: The Bo Keys

I get to see these guys in StLouis next Sunday. They hit NYC on monday. cleveland, Detroit, chicago, also on the itinerary.

The drummer is Howard Grimes, one of the best alive, som of you know the name, you all know his work. guitar player played the opening guitar part on Shaft. the band includs the sole survivor of otis redding's band's plane crash.I could keep going but i;ll let you read the bios for yourselves. A highly reccomended show.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 17:41:44 CEST 2011 from (24.164.173.243)

Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: NY

Subject: gigs for The Reformed Band

Sometime in the spring of 1997 Rick Danko was in Japan and, the way I remember it, he picked up a shipment of drugs sent from home. The Japanese police busted him as soon as he got it. Rick was detained in Japan and The Band was eventually removed from the list of a performers on the "Pirate's Ball" tour. This was a significant blow to their comeback efforts and when Levon got the news he supposedly said, "The Band is finished- you can stick a fork in it." (source was Ezra Titus)

To replace Rick The Reformed Band used Levon's Crowmatix band. There were a number of shows in May & June (that's just a guess, it's not inclusive) where Mike Dunn (bass), Jimmy Eppard (guitar), Prof Louie (keyboards) and Miss Marie (I forgot her last name, but it was something like "Spinosa;" she's Prof Louie's wife)...played with Levon, Garth, Richard Bell, Jim Weider, and Randy Ciarlante. They played a double show (2;00 PM & 8:00 PM) in CT at Norfolk's "Music Shed" two days before Memorial day, Sat May 24th (I think, I could be a day off on that date).

I went to the afternoon show and Randy told me later that he saw me and my daughter Hannah in the crowd. I was kind of surprised that Randy could make out faces in the crowd with all the lights shining on him on stage. He just said, "I got eyes."


Entered at Sat Oct 15 14:30:23 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: list

Gee, I go away for a couple of weeks and it seems you've all been busy as beavers ever since.

Good on you JT for taking the ball and running with it. Kudos to all the contributors as well.


Entered at Sat Oct 15 10:20:32 CEST 2011 from (41.97.168.174)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: the magnet-maker and his cell-phone

My battle cry is the third-world elite. Nobody cares of the effect on other side. Keep the 3rdW elite home, they're the only ones who can reproduce the magnet.

Unfortunately, of what it concerns the elite, there's deciders willingness from both sides of the wound, each for their reasons, to perpetuate the bleeding.

Here's the state of facts illustrated with a living testimony. Can't be clearer.

I good friend of mine who is a college lecturer and administrative responsible, in Constantine, told me a few months ago with a satisfaction melted to pride – established mark of professional success – that thanks to his position and influence, for the 20 last years he used to send an average of his 5 top graduates to continue in the prestigious universities and higher education institutions and colleges in the developed world, issues are pursuing research or postgraduate studies, eventually followed by jobs and high positions in institutions of the host country. In any way they are lost for the native land economy. Geographically speaking, unlike E.T, they never come back home. Destinations are : EU, Quebec, USA, Emirates

Sad for the country that spent the fees of 20 first years of their education. I don't know what a casual reader imagine when I said 5 top graduates? for having personally known a sample, they are at this age the elite in the highest meaning of the word, some are Nobel Prize worthy, just remember that the human genius has no borders, if one doesn’t believe, just wait and see.

What it means in clear ? One responsible from One 3rdW university sent during 20 years every year 5 finest of the finest. To tease my friend I used to call them jokingly and antithetically "The Schindler's List". They are completely lost for the 3rdW that spent everything for their education, conversely growing the 1stW who didn’t pay a dime. This is an order of the world.

Footnote : to evoke my other preferred subject "the dehumanized use of gadgets in the modern society" . This friend college person in question, "Schindler", I don't remember I ever met him in another attitude than a cell phone glued to his ear, looking at 'nothing', and talking 'all alone'. I often wondered if people realize the unnatural of the thing or not? 20 years ago one would swore they're insane


Entered at Fri Oct 14 22:45:04 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

bassmanlee, if you are out there please shoot me an email when you get an opportunity.

bwigo AT verizon.net


Entered at Fri Oct 14 21:17:40 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Nineteen-yrs ago this wkd.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:56:01 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Empty N: I've found that a good rule of thumb in these things is to look for 1) a slamming reference to people (read 'immigrants') who don't work hard enough, and 2) a slamming reference to immigrants who insist on, in essence, working too hard (for too little). If you find both, as you do in Cameron's speech, then you know you've found an ugly mind.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:44:17 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M

A treasure trove. Really enjoyed Bark and Amy Helm on 'I'm still loving you'. Got the headphones on and am away back to it.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:18:44 CEST 2011 from (41.97.179.237)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Sadavid / Bill M

Thanks Sadavid for the comment and for the link, Thanks Bill M for the good sense, I should say for the lecture. Special Thanks for the interest to the thread I initiated, both of you I consider among the regulars who when reading any of my posts understand much more what I didn’t say than what it is clearly said.

my interest for the subject nor its reasons aren’t a secret for nobody, however migration moves which can be seen today are something new, different, unknown before to fit any model, specially for the hosting countries. drastically growing at the every day, escape all kind of prediction or control, and according to some observers, announce major changes. while there are elements of good sense in some politicians views, shared by some of the concerned citizens, I just have reasons to believe that the wrong solutions are dominant, go know for what and why ? whereas the right solution is the easiest to realize, many said it before

Instead of stopping undesired (im)migrants at your borders, and until the end of times you can't succeed [to truly stop them], give their homeland the magnet that attract them in yours

very simple to formulate, very very easy to achieve.

and btw referring to my morning post, clear is the cross reference to the linked above speech, i know it by heart, 6 months old but the debate is put on the table again, it is what I focus on since yesterday.

as long as it's the politicians who decide….

Back to The Band


Entered at Fri Oct 14 20:20:38 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Subject: Midnight Ramble video.

A video glimpse of Levon's "Midnight Ramble" (late summer '08)for those who haven't been to one. We attended this great gig featuring Chris Robinson of "The Black Crowes" belting out "Shake Your Moneymaker" & Billy Bob Thornton & The Boxmasters doing a lively set. "Greezy Wheels" from TX was also enjoyable.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 17:56:52 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the 'bad-trip' tent at Woodstock

David P: I have a friend here who was a volunteer 'nurse' at that tent. I may see her this weekend, and will have to ask about the musicians in the room.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 17:37:29 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Tie-Dyed Psychedelic Triage

"And can I put a droplet of this new stuff on my tongue?
And imagine frothing dragons, while you sit and wreck your lungs.
And I must be permissive, understanding of the younger generation."
--John Sebastian

One of the most prominent tie-dyed, media images is that of John Sebastian performing at the Woodstock Festival in 1969. On the 40th anniversary of the festival, Mr. Sebastian related the following in an interview with the (hello) Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"Sebastian's fondest Woodstock memory is jamming with the Band's Rick Danko in the 'trip tent,' where acid casualties and other festivalgoers who had overindulged were taken to recuperate. 'It was wonderful in there,' Sebastian says. 'Older, more knowledgeable hippies were helping members of the younger generation who were too stoned, while Rick and I played. Nice, slow tunes -- so we didn't scare them!'"


Entered at Fri Oct 14 17:36:15 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

Empty N: Immigration is an interesting question. As I'm sure you've noticed, it appears that most people change countries for economic reasons (whether out of desperation our middle-class calculation), with politics and the desire to be reunited with family (or a foreign sweetheart) often coming into play as well. Relatively rarely there's a principled desire to sign on to a country that seems to be doing the 'right' thing - say the US in earlier times, the young Israel, maybe Spain, the USSR and China at certain times. But musicians that I can think of seem to be more migrant workers than immigrants, in that they tend to cross borders for work, stay for more work, and may well leave when the work dries up. Until Vietnam, Canada lost a tremendous herd of ambitious and talented academics and artists to the US (and to the UK in earlier times) because that's where the rewarding work was. But with Vietnam, formal immigration carried the strong risk of being drafted, so a lot of talented young men stayed here or found a way to work in the US without basing themselves there - so it was easy to skedaddle north if the draft board came knocking. And many young Americans fled north to avoid the draft; most waited until the letter came, but others took proactive steps (like marrying a Canadian, in Levon's case) to keep the draft at bay. Certainly more than a handful of Canadians turned up in US-based acts, and I can think of just one who was drafted and served in Vietnam, but most that I can think of returned to Canada eventually, just as most, but by no mean all, American draft evaders returned to the US eventually. Which is why I'd say they were migrant workers rather than immigrants. Finally, I think it's worth considering that Woodstock, which hosted a sizable cast of expatriate Canadian musicians in its heyday, is just a few hours drive from the border, meaning it was easy for anyone there to get out of the US if worse came to worst. And guys like Levon could, I'd think, easily log in enough days in a year in Canada to maintain their immigration status here for as long as they needed to. I wonder when he and the Canadian wife finally divorced?


Entered at Fri Oct 14 15:15:04 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the other side of migration

Empty Now: you might find [My link] of interest: a discussion of a new history of homesickness (contexte états-unien, comme d'habitude).

Given the migratory history of the Bandsmen - and the necessarily nomadic existence of the performing artist (the "goddamn impossible way of life") - it is a subject of considerable relevance, Band-link-wise. It is not a coincidence that at least half of the tracks on The Brown Album are exercises in retrospection.

Factoid du jour: apropos of the Civil War, "the Surgeon General’s office actually listed nostalgia as the cause of death for 74 Union soldiers."


Entered at Fri Oct 14 14:57:57 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

MFBP on Haight-Ashbury Music's "Psychedelic Jams."


Entered at Fri Oct 14 13:22:54 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: List

Rick and Levon,dr. John,max Weinberg and a bunch more did a show at a outdoor all day pool party at a place called whistlers in Woodstock.Must have been in the 80's.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 12:41:08 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff Beck in Montreal

Kevin, Hoping you are well. I see Jeff Beck is in your neck of the woods this weekend. Any chance you will be there?


Entered at Fri Oct 14 11:07:32 CEST 2011 from (41.97.213.196)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Hilda – Re: Staff Benda Bilili / on extreme immigration - continued - , and The Band

Hilda : Thanks for the suggestion. an other African saying is “a man who is drowning clings to a sharpened blade”

More exactly I should I wrote in my yesterday’s post : “we once agreed that it [the need to immigrate] is truly a question of state of mind”

it was actually the subject of a tacit agreement between an elite of regulars, the blessed time when regulars exposed worthy politico-social threads in The Band Guestbook and didn’t waste full-pages with interminable boring talks exclusively on music and on The Band

talking The Band, I am curious to know What is the official stand of The Band members’ on immigration ? as a social phenomenon, as a political battle cry , as well as as a areality ?

I meant extreme immigration; the phenomenon we are witnessing today .I assume knowing The Band career that the deal is to be consequent with their own reality

Let's start with being open: everything began with an Arkansasian who immigrated to Toronto, and everything took-off with four Torontoans who immigrated to West-Saugerties, We recognize that – the benefits of immigration – and we welcome it.

But I'm also clear about something else: for too long, immigration has emptied the third-world – the world that truly needs it – of its own elite , its elite looted by the North


Entered at Fri Oct 14 09:00:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Nice reference, Jonathan. So the word association is "tie-dye shirts, The Band and older bearded men smoking weed."

What an outrageous suggestion! I always thought tie-dyed shirts were The Grateful Dead. I never associated them with The Band.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 08:24:43 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: RICK AND LEVON

JERRY:I stumbled across(can't remember how)a full concert of Rick and Levon labelled Eugene Oregon 1983 and downloaded the complete gig.I wonder if your link is from the same venue?It really is amazing with Rick on acoustic and Levon on harp and Mandolin


Entered at Fri Oct 14 03:54:23 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: New versions of concert list

Thanks Tim and others who e-mailed Jan

The new version has been submitted and should appear soon. From what is coming in, it is clear that individuals are remembering shows they saw that still have not appeared. In some cases, I am receiving ticket stubs etc to confirm the show. So keep those ticket stubs and accompanying info coming.


Entered at Fri Oct 14 03:51:54 CEST 2011 from (68.50.244.13)

Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Ben, Jerry & Wall Street [& The Band]

BEN & JERRY'S SHOW WALL STREET THE FINGER

This weekend, the board of directors of Ben & Jerry's published a statement of solidarity with Occupy Wall Street, saying "The issues raised [by the protesters] are of fundamental importance to all of us," and that they "support this call to action and are honored to join you in this call to take back our nation and democracy."

With this statement, Ben & Jerry's became the first large company to publicly step out in favor of the 99%. It's not entirely surprising - the ice cream maker, which brings to mind tie-die T-shirts, The Band and older bearded men smoking weed - has been socially active since its inception in 1978, and has retained that as part of its image even after being bought by Unilever in 2000.

In their statement they said:

We, the Ben & Jerry's Board of Directors, compelled by our personal convictions and our Company's mission and values, wish to express our deepest admiration to all of you who have initiated the non-violent Occupy Wall Street Movement and to those around the country who have joined in solidarity. The issues raised are of fundamental importance to all of us. These include:

-The inequity that exists between classes in our country is simply immoral.

-We are in an unemployment crisis. Almost 14 million people are unemployed. Nearly 20% of African American men are unemployed. Over 25% of our nation's youth are unemployed.

-Many workers who have jobs have to work 2 or 3 of them just to scrape by.

-Higher education is almost impossible to obtain without going deeply in debt.

-Corporations are permitted to spend unlimited resources to influence elections while stockpiling a trillion dollars rather than hiring people.

We know the media will either ignore you or frame the issue as to who may be getting pepper sprayed rather than addressing the despair and hardships borne by so many, or accurately conveying what this movement is about. All this goes on while corporate profits continue to soar and millionaires whine about paying a bit more in taxes. And we have not even mentioned the environment.

What are you multi-millionaire rock stars waiting for? Can't even offer moral support?



Entered at Fri Oct 14 02:44:01 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Mike - You and butch must be close friends, but even Levon used to use "butch" or "butchie" interchangeably at random.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 23:43:01 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: 4 more Band Concerts I already sent to JT.

The Band May 13th 1995 Pinksterfest Albany NY‏, The Band May 28, 1996 Fox Theater Boulder Colorado‏, The Band 4/19/1996 Vic Theater Chicago IL‏, The Band April 15, 1994 The Palace Albany NY‏


Entered at Thu Oct 13 21:08:52 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Subject: Bow Thayer & Perfect Trainwreck

These guys will be playing @ Butchie's flood aid benefit on Saturday, but also tomorrow night @ The Falcon.

Bow & the guys have recorded w/ Levon Helm(great album Spend It All), will be opening a Ramble Nov. 12th & Bow opened up for Rick Danko @ a late '90s gig in VT. The bassist also travels the world w/ Booker T.

Extremely talented & cool musicians. Check 'em out. They are one step away from hittin' it big.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 19:47:01 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: You did it twice then! Obviously you're not a slow learner, but if that trip had been the only evidence one could be excused for wondering.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 19:41:56 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Dunc: This link's for you, mostly. It's Willie P Bennett and Daisy Debolt (who passed away last week) dueting on Willie's "One Vessel". Caution: make sure you have some time on your hands as the link is also an endlessly rat-hole that will pull you in all sorts of worthy directions - BARK, Emmylou, Ian and Sylvia ... And David Wiffen, Tom Rush, Roger McGuinn, Jerry Jeff Walker, the Cowboy Junkies et al all covering Wiffen's immortal "Driving Wheel", Wiffen doing his own "More Often Than Not" onstage in deep baritone spendour ... If you click on Wiffen doing "Lucifer's Blues", you'll first see Colin Linden, then Bruce Cockburn, talking about the recording of the Wiffen LP that it was on.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 19:10:10 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Bill M: I neglected to mention that it was a round-trip fare in June.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 18:57:19 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ants and grasshoppers

The updated version of the joke could be the theme song of our current poltical/social environment. Tea Party? Occupy Wall Street?


Entered at Thu Oct 13 18:47:38 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Your trip sounds about right - aside from the cost. I remember the off-season fare in the late '70s being anywhere in Canada to anywhere in Canada for $99, with unlimited stopoffs / transfers as long as you were always going in the same direction, more or less. So a few hundred (and USD!) a decade earlier sounds cruel and unusual - and worse than having to sit up all night and rely on gas-station washrooms.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:17:09 CEST 2011 from (71.34.17.73)

Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

Subject: Levon and Rick, pure magic

Just came by this, and I can't stop playing it...


Entered at Thu Oct 13 16:09:16 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Thank God & Greyhound

Bill M: Back in the late '60s I endured a long-distance bus trip from Atlanta to the South Jersey shore. I was still young enough to look upon grueling experience as an adventure. It involved taking a Greyhound bus to Philadelphia and then catching a regional line to the shore. The bus would stop at bus stations at different cities along the way, often with brief layovers long enough to get something to eat. At the end of the trip, one would be permeated with diesel fumes from the bus, which even seemed to flavor whatever greasy food you ate along the way in the bus stations. Can't recall exactly how much the trip cost, but I think it was around a several hundred dollars. I had one suitcase & my guitar and there was no extra baggage charge.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 14:00:24 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Note of Hope (Woody Guthrie)

I just posted a review of "Note of Hope" the new various artist collection based on Woody Guthrie's writings, which like the Hank Williams one recently, are put to music by various artists.

A Band connection. Jonathan Taplin says in "Outlaw Blues" that he first met the Band at the Woody Guthrie Tribute, when they were backing Dylan. He'd helped organise the event, and Robbie recruited him as tour manager.


Entered at Thu Oct 13 13:45:31 CEST 2011 from (93.125.174.54)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Empty Now

You might check out an african group called Staff Banda Bilili. These guys are all handicapped and started out as street musicians. There was a documentary made about them wich is available on dvd. You can find clips on you tube. I heard and saw them here last year . Like Dylan sings : when you've got nothing you've got nothing to loose. But then again he also sings : when you think you've lost everything, you can always loose something more. There is a young boy in that band who made his own instrument from a tin can, a twig and one string. The movie follows the group during several years and you see him developing into an amazing musician. Jimi, Robbie and Eric: eat your heart out!


Entered at Thu Oct 13 12:57:07 CEST 2011 from (41.97.242.223)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: The obligatory The Band connection,

the right occasion to link this joke for who don’t know it, and never forget that the sole purpose of a joke is to draw a smile on the face of who is beautified by it


Entered at Thu Oct 13 12:56:00 CEST 2011 from (41.97.242.223)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: the solution is so clear, hidden in plain sight (yes they can)

Very easy question : it requires an answer by Yes or No, technocrats would diversify indeed

? If a native from a random African country had an equal level of comfort in their country, comfort is to be taken in its widest sense, starting from dignity and not only economic or financial level of wealth, rights, security, education,… we once agreed that it is truly a question of way of life…
would they be tempted by any promise of immigration ? ( to where you know )

of course nowadays the speech is about mass immigration of eschatological scale

I randomly ended up on this linked song of the group Tafert that I densely posted about by the days I discovered them ; it turns out that the song is a firm and strong and clear call for a generation to not immigrate ( to where you know )\, the song is videopictured with an extreme pertinence, one line says “when you own all this, why do you want to go to nothing ?”, …”all this” is metaphorically materialized by the background picture of the cedars, mythical tree

The popular success of this group is bound beating all the records, first thanks to a music technically set at the perfect level. With an as strong message as the linked song, great music, lyrics always provided with translation to ponder, …enjoy and say Let It Be


Entered at Wed Oct 12 22:49:45 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: I've also been told that some friends passed the hat to fund Robbie's trip south to join Hawkins (and fellow former Suede, Scott Cushnie). I wonder what a bus ride from Toronto to Marvell Arkansas (or wherever) would have cost in early 1960? Could have involved a layover or two, I guess, plus food.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 22:39:41 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Strings Attached

Robbie is featured in the Nov. edition of Vintage Guitar magazine in a interview accompanied by nice photos of 15 guitars from his collection. Interesting revelation -- He pawned his first Strat (a 1957 model that he got a good deal on) to buy a ticket to join up with Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks in Arkansas.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 21:25:34 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: travels with amp

Following up on my note about Greg Godovitz's book, "Travels with my Amp", above is a link to listings at an e-bookstore. Pricier than it was a few years ago when I first posted about it.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:55:34 CEST 2011 from (41.97.168.210)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

the link, my mouse disturbed by the eMagazine age


Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:52:29 CEST 2011 from (41.97.168.210)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Link above : online free electronic edition of Poppunt Magazine issue 27, 1st quarter 2006, Be music magazine in Flemish,

Click to read – there is mention of a The Band concert on Monday 17 June 1996 at Bissegem, Belgium at page 4 or 12 or 23 or 00000000000 if you manage to clamp the page

An excellent publicity for the supporters of electronic (free) books to convince, meanwhile i am fencing with both hands hoping it’s not my mouse unfit for the electronic magazine age


Entered at Wed Oct 12 20:50:05 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Bill - Great details, thank you very much. It sounds like a real treat to have seen that. I'm sorry you were disappointed with the "RCO All-Stars" studio album. Personally I really love that album - a real gem and a great start to Levon's solo career.

The link above shows Robbie is going to work on Scorsese's upcoming film "Silence" with Daniel Day Lewis. It also talks a bit about his progress on his autobiography.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:57:19 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronno

Mike: Yes, thanks. Fascinating coverage of famous musicians, famous non-musicians and interesting obscure musicians too. I'm a big fan of Wayne McGhie, and of John Mills-Cockell, so it's really nice to see guys like that covered.

Joan: I didn't look at the Smith collection, but I did notice her here and there in some of the other ones. Not surprising given her popularity.

Adam: I'm trying to come up for a date for you re the Hawkins / Helm / Penfound et many al show in '77. Setlist says Fleetwood Mac played at the Ex in Toronto on July 4, so that must be it. That they played at Exhibition Stadium had stuck in my head, so from there I built out the mistaken assumption that they'd played during the actual fair, which has run for the three weeks ending on Labour Day for 100 years or something like that. (The Band played the stadium during the fair the previous year.) Also, the memory surfaced that the RCO LP was issued after the show, as the two songs Levon did (and they sounded great live) were new to me. The LP must've appeared not all that long afterwards, and it was very disappointing. Finally, the horn guy I referred to was Tom Malone.

Oh yes: Yesterday I mentioned John D having been at the Hawkins show too. I must've met him a couple of months earlier, as he knew me well enough to know that I'd appreciate meeting Larry Leishman (ex Checkmates and Rhinoceros) who was sitting nearby. Larry was onstage last night with almost-Hawk John Finley during the Checkmates 'reunion'.

Re Friar's Tavern, I think it was there that Greg Godovitz's mother worked as a waitress, as a result of which her musically inclined son (who is still big news among the over-forties here) saw our guys play and purchased Rick Danko's amp. Goddo tells that and many other much less innocent stories in his very entertaining book-length self-study, "Travels with my Amp".


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:31:33 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Happy Birthday Jan!

Great photos that Mike posted. I'd not seen them before. Did anyone notice the Cathy Evelyn Smith pictures?


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:28:24 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Then there's the characteristic Ronnie #2, in which he is apparently threatening to unzip. #29 and #30 show him with Duff Roman (first producer of our guys, post-Ronnie) and Pat Travers. I think it's Tim Drummond on bass on a bunch of photos before those two. An amazing trove anyway.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:19:20 CEST 2011 from (209.31.104.181)

Posted by:

bob w.

Happy Birthday, Jan.......and many, many more in good health.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 19:01:53 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAN!!!!!!


Entered at Wed Oct 12 18:18:09 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: why fat men are jolly

Mike H: thanks very much for the link to Art Usherson's fantastic photos.
My favorite is Ronnie Hawkins #56: Richard Manuel in one corner, Neil Young opposite, both looking a little preoccupied. In the centre, Rompin' Ronnie having a good laugh with (count 'em) two young ladies on his lap.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 17:29:48 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: And then there was the Embassy Tavern on the north side of Bloor a block west of Bay. I've been told that our guys played there too.

Digging a bit deeper, I see that Johnny Rhythm and the Suedes played the Brown Derby (on Yonge) in July or August '59. Before that, as the Suedes, they'd played the Palladium (near the Don Jail) a couple times - also '59. Before that, in the spring, Robbie played in Oakville Ontario as a member of the Consuls. (That's when they met Scott Cushnie, and Robertson, Gene MacLellan and Peter Deremigis left the Consuls en masse to form the Suedes with Cushnie.)


Entered at Wed Oct 12 17:20:00 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Subject: Art Usherson's pics of The Band & Dylan.

Just heard from Art Usherson & he has some great pics of The Band (& Dylan) from multiple eras.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 16:43:21 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: So many taverns

Bill M

Over the years, there have been 3 taverns bandied about as locations for meetings of the great. John Hammond and the Concord? I don't know and don't know how to find out unfortunately. Mary Martin and the Concord? Maybe. Not sure. Le Coq D'Or or the Friar's on Yonge St (Jaime said the Friar's).? There are differences depending on who remembers what and who said what re Dylan and his first hearing of the 'group'. So yes, heresy and information, once repeated and repeated again, become reality. What we need is someone who was actually there and saw what transpired in actuality. Maybe Mary Martin or one of the boys in the band. Hopefully we will hear from those who were there in this regard. John D, any ideas about who might know? And yes, contracts and documents of the time are good.

And regarding shows in the 1960-65 era... there were of course many. Levon and the Hawks played almost weekly and often in the Toronto area as well as in southern Ontario and the northern USA and if we knew dates and times, those surely should be included in the 'concert list'. What we need here are people who saw them and memory of when that occurred and where. Old ads from the papers advertising their appearance would be ideal. Could people with ability to access old newspaper archives (ie. Toronto Star, Toronto Telegram etc) have a look and send in anything they might find.

And yes.. Jan, I discovered long ago that celebration of birthdays is of the utmost importance. So Jan, Forever Young!!!


Entered at Wed Oct 12 16:40:00 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The date order is a continual pain over all sorts of things. Americans call it the "American" and "British" date orders, but in fact it's the "American" and "All the Rest of The World" date order. Interestingly, US Landing cards for foreigners accept this and ask you to write DAY- MONTH-YEAR like everyone else.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 16:23:18 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto

I went to that Peter Traynor tribute last night. Singer-MC John Dickie opened the show with a bit of background on Traynor, beginning with the fact that he'd started out in a group with Robbie Robertson and Scott Cushnie (i.e., the Suedes). Several of the singers / musicians who appeared onstage over the course of the evening would have guested with the Hawks in the early '60s - Robbie Lane (whose group the Disciples replace our guys with Hawkins), John Finley (who our guys courted as their new frontman post-Hawkins), Robbie's Tele-disciple Fred Keeler, George Olliver, CJ Feeny and Bobby Kris.

Speaking of Robbie Lane, flipping through some interview notes from the '70s I see that our guys played Friars Tavern in '65 - booked as the Canadian Squires, formerly the Hawks with Ronnie Hawkins - and as Levon and the Hawks in '66. JT may be able to confirm that it was at the Concord where John Hammond first caught them in '64 (or '65) but the Friars where Dylan saw them before taking them onboard. Wouldn't it be nice if somebody had some old contracts lying around.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 16:13:41 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

From Butchie Dener for this Saturday's "New Paltz (NY) Flood Aid."

Line Up

11:40-11:45 (A) National Anthem: Delaney Taliaferro

11:45-12:15 (A) Ratboy Jr.

12:15-12:30 (B) Dziubecko

12:30-1:00 (A) The Trapps

1:00-1:15 (B) Casey Erdman and Friends

1:15-1:45 (A) The Greyhounds

1:45-2:15 (A) Mr. Roper

2:15-2:30 (B) Mark Sagar and Black Horse Riders

2:30-3:15 (A) Connor Kennedy Band

3:15-3:30 (B) Hector Tejada

3:30-4:30 (A) Bow Thayer Band

4:30-4:45 (B) Patrick Carlin

4:45-5:45 (A) Alexis P. Suter Band

5:45-7:00 (A) Butch's Flood Aid All Stars: Larry Campbell, Teresa Williams, Steven Bernstein, Randy Ciarlante, Byron Isaacs, Jim Weider, Erik Lawrence, Vito Petrocitto, Jeremy Baum and much, much more.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 15:16:17 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Subject: Summerfest 76

Pat B. Correct. I have an article. They played with Leon Redbone. Tim


Entered at Wed Oct 12 15:29:06 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Glide mag pics of Levon & his band from the "Life Is Good" fest.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 15:17:10 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Happy b'day, Jan!

You've definitely set the bar w/ this great site & thank you for allowing all of us to participate in its success.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 14:12:07 CEST 2011 from (24.105.217.223)

Posted by:

Lil

Just popping to say hello to Dennis! Hope all is well.

Oh.. and Happy Birthday Jan!


Entered at Wed Oct 12 12:59:44 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: Crucial Cd Collection

RY COODER Pull Up Some Dust And Sit Down By Richard Haslop

By the time of the 1987 release of Get Rhythm, Ry Cooder seemed to have lost much of his enthusiasm for the solo album that had been his staple throughout the ‘70s as he exercised his consummate skill in a range of American roots and regional musical styles that included, most notably, pre-war country blues, post-war R&B, dustbowl balladry, Depression era folk song and Tex-Mex conjunto. The eighteen years of film soundtrack recordings that followed, punctuated by separately successful collaborations with musicians from Cuba, West Africa and India, produced excellent and even exceptional results, but the old-style Ry Cooder record, a large part of many of our listening lives, seemed well and truly a creature from another time.

So the appearance, in 2005, of the highly satisfactory Chavez Ravine was more than a little unexpected. That it turned out to be just the first in the consistently fine so-called California trilogy completed by My Name Is Buddy and I, Flathead was surely more than we could justifiably have hoped for. Now it appears that all of that may have been by way of a particularly appetising trailer for a mouthwatering main event, the recently released Pull Up Some Dust And Sit Down, on which Cooder summons the spirit of Woody Guthrie to make plenty of heartfelt and pertinent political points for the new depression and creates, in the process, what must be very nearly his best album.

Brian Wilson once complained that he just wasn’t made for these times. Cooder, by way of contrast, is tailor made for them. Harnessing the evocative power all over again of the old musical forms that pepper the earlier part of his career discography, he focuses a relatively recently discovered songwriting consistency implacably on those whom he considers responsible for the mess the world’s in – bankers, Republicans, warmongers, the usual suspects. Did I mention bankers? Because Cooder does, a lot. He’s disappointed, angry and bitter at the way things have panned out, and his criticism is unstintingly on the money, but he never loses that sense of gruff musical humour that has ensured that his best work never sounds like a history lesson, even when it is.

On the mercilessly satirical No Banker Left Behind, his mandola picks out a jaunty tune that reaches back to the 19th century for its inspiration, while in El Corrido de Jesse James the famous outlaw, who is often depicted as a Robin Hood of the West, looks for a way to get down from heaven so that he can take out the new bad guys from Wall Street. At least, he points out, to the accompaniment of a border town Tex-Mex ensemble where Cooder breaks out his trusty bajo sexto and his old compadre Flaco Jimenez shines on accordion, he never turned a family from their home. Woody once said the same about Pretty Boy Floyd. In that song, the really villainous villains robbed you with a fountain pen. Cooder’s updated scoundrel makes his living, on Simple Tools, not with his hands but on the telephone, with a brief quote from the Ben E King hit, Spanish Harlem, establishing Cooder’s pop preferences at the same time.

There’s a remarkably accurate and most amusing imitation of the great bluesman on John Lee Hooker For President that contains a few relatively gentle political barbs, but all bets are off on Christmas Time This Year, where a full tilt accordion-driven polka renders a viciously accurate anti-war song irresistibly danceable.

Finally the gospel voices and scything slide guitar, the soulful horns and the clanking, clattering rhythms draw to a reflective close with No Hard Feelings, on which a philosophical and perhaps even forgiving Cooder concludes that this, too, shall pass. We can only hope he’s right.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 10:30:54 CEST 2011 from (41.97.165.69)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Peter V

Pater, sorry I meant Peter, ... first typewriting mistake


Entered at Wed Oct 12 10:27:53 CEST 2011 from (41.97.165.69)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Pater V

the link above is to your article in this site "The Unfaithful Servant"

at the bottom of the article there is a hyperlink erroneously mentionned

"Live At The Hollywood Bowl, October 1970"

i will be pleased if a correction is proceeded, the gig was on 10 July 1970.

actually this is a common mistake very spread thoughout the internet, likely vecause the condensed typing is "7.10.70". of course soon as you open the link it becomes July. from my experience in knowledge documentation, this is a kind of common mistakes which once it propagates, it becomes the reference, or at equal reliability with the facts, and very hard to redempt ... unless one shows respect for the memory of Janis Joplin

Allow me to share my 10cts experience, the other kind of mistakes practically un-corrigeable are "the first typewriting mistakes". they are uncorrigeable because they are hard or impossible to localise at reading time, or more exactly at verifivation time, beyond a given size of the listing


Entered at Wed Oct 12 06:42:25 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

I'm also making an educated guess that the 7/9/76 gig was at Summerfest in Milwaukee.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 06:20:17 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

The reformed Band played the Mill Run Theater in Niles IL (a suburb of Chicago) April 6 and 7, 1984. It was with the Cates. Levon didn't show for the 6th. Like the Valley Forge gig (which was probably around Christmas of 1986 or 87), Mill Run was in the round.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 04:02:26 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Dennis!

Good to see you, if only virtually. You not only sold me a t-shirt but you gave me directions to Big Pink awaaaaay back when. Are you still doing rambles? My girlfriend broke the handle on my Levon mug (no, not on purpose. she's come to love Levon and The Band) and they aren't selling them anymore, at least on his website. Know where there's a few extras stashed away?

I've been enjoying this thread, and it's great to see Dennis back on the gb. I'll be offline for a few days but will definitely play catchup............


Entered at Wed Oct 12 02:41:20 CEST 2011 from (204.169.161.1)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: 1969 Mt Holyoke

Anybody know anything about a Band show at Mt Holyoke College (South Hadley, Mass.) in September 1969? I was there, but memory fails me.


Entered at Wed Oct 12 01:26:44 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: Dennis - way to go!!!

Dennis

You just filled in a major gap. This is exactly what this list needs. People with experience who know. Thank you Dennis. Your dates have been entered and the corrections made. You won't see them on the version I just sent in because I sent it in before I saw your post. The next version will show these shows and corrections. Keep those cards and letters coming in!


Entered at Tue Oct 11 23:18:15 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: World Cafe Live - Philadelphia, PA

Saturday, October 29, 2011

** Robbie Robertson's special appearance has been cancelled.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 21:24:22 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Great stuff, Dennis. That 5/22/96 sounds like quite a night. Keep 'em coming!


Entered at Tue Oct 11 20:19:54 CEST 2011 from (68.172.215.87)

Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties, NY, Home of Big Pink

Subject: Update(s) to the list

Good afternoon from sunny West Saugerties! Some of you may remember me as one of the merch guys that did the road for Not Fade Away Graphice, the merch contractors for The Band back in the 90's. Did I sell you your Band shirt or cap? (Know I sold some to Bashful Bill.)

Can't currrently find my tour lists, they may have been lost during our flood of '03, but I can help out with a number of shows and/or dates:

8/13/94 Woodstock '94 should be listed in Saugerties, NY, not Bethel

4/4/96 should be listed in Charleston, West Virginia

3/23/95 There was a show at a country-western bar just west of Toronto

Lulu's on 3/25/95 featured a Ronnie Hawkins walk-on performance.

On 5/20/96, The Band played at the Hilton Hotel in Reno, NV., a show made famous with Rick's singing Happy Birthday to a Ms. Trudy and her mom and dad....Trudy, are you still out there?

The following evening, 5/21/96, The Band played The Filmore in San Francisco....Jimmy performed a killer Deep Feelin' mid-show.

Next night, 5/22/96, was the Civic Center in Santa Rosa, Ca. Walk-on guests included James Cotton, Maria Muldaur and Ramblin' Jack Elliot...a great show!

Two nights later, Friday, 5/24/96 was at a beautiful theatre in Seattle, Wa, on a glorious, sunny Friday evening.

Finally, for now, Saturday, 5/25/96 was the last night of that long 1996 tour, in Portland, Or. I don't recall the theatre name, but it was wooden and I do remember it was on the old building's 2nd floor and most memorable song was a Dylan tune performed as an encore by John Wesley Harding with members of The Band playing along and the floor shook so much, we thought it would collapse!

BTW, all shows that I worked were booked as The Band and most all attendees agreed that they were seeing The Band, with or without all original members.

Hope that helps and I'll try and find those lists for next time.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:44:32 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronna
Web: My link

Subject: Garth in the weekend paper

Also from the "Toronto Star" over the long weekend, here's a short article about Garth, Maude and Doug Paisley's version of Floyd's "Us And Them". Has a follow-on link to the track itself.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:40:29 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: nice tribute to a Suede (Peter Traynor in this case)

The link's to a tribute to Peter Traynor to be held in Toronto this very evening. Adam, Traynor would have been alongside Robbie at three of the four shows I mentioned - all but the Consuls one.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:29:55 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan and bagpipes

Seriously, Bagpipes??


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:23:50 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'm not disagreeing on criteria. Because it's chronological, you don't need separate lists. Jerry has a column with BAND. You can put RICK, RICHARD or RICK, LEVON or ROBBIE in that column instead and as it's chronological anyway, you don't need different ones for solos and duos. Though you do need a good abbreviation to fit the space and you have three first names beginning with R and two surnames with H.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:14:50 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Adam: Yes, they all happened. A shot from the Robbie / Suedes / Hawkins show at the Hi-Fi Club in Toronto can be found in Jan's photo gallery. The '77 thing was a Hawkins show (with his current crop of Hawks) at the Beverly Hills Motor Hotel in late August or early September. Hawkins played all week; I went early in the week and then the Friday or Saturday, which is when Levon turned up with a few RCO All-Stars - Duck Dunn, Dr John, a horn player, maybe Butterfield. Penfound just happened to be there too; I took from what he told me a couple days later that he wasn't in touch with Levon and had no idea of Levon's plans. Also guesting was guitar guy Pat Travers, who was pretty big at the time but who'd been a Hawk a few years earlier. The Hawks at the time were Richard 'King Biscuit Boy' Newell, drummer Gary Oatridge, guitarist Jack deKeyzer, guitarist/fiddler Carl Mather, bassist Ken Kalmusky (formerly of the Revols with Richard Manuel) and pianist Mike Short (brother of comedian Martin). I've posted about this a few times before, but obviously before your arrival here; John D was there too, and may want to add/subtract details. Oh yes, Levon didn't drum, but played guitar and sang "Milk Cow" (or similar title) and "Washerwoman" - both from the RCO album. Fleetwood Mac happened to be in town (at the Ex I believe, which is why I''m thinking it was late Aug or early Sept) but didn't make it to the hotel before closing time (1:00 am at the time).


Entered at Tue Oct 11 19:10:54 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

I think my initial idea to create different sections for the Concert List would be a very organized and thoughtful way to present all of these variations and shows considered. Sections for: The Hawks (with Hawkins, Dylan, and without), The Band (1969-1976), solo/duo/trio shows, reunion/'90s Band shows, etc.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:53:52 CEST 2011 from (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: Peter V, What constitutes a Band show

Peter~

I have to disagree with you on your criteria regarding what constitutes a Band show. If you want to list everything, that's great (and it probably should be listed), but when Rick and Garth played together with Randy, Jim & Richard Bell, it was not billed as--nor was it considered--The Band. If either Rick, Levon, or Garth weren't there (and I'm talking about after TLW and after Richard passed away), it wasn't considered The Band--by The Band members, by the bookers, by the venues, or by the audience.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:33:11 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Bill - I'm amazed. Did those gigs you mentioned really happen? When did Levon play with Hawkins and Penfound in 1977, and what is the story?


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:19:29 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Levon & Wilco pics by "Folktography by Tom."


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:16:59 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I'm with Peter V when it comes to what to list. This is the internet, so it's not as if someone has to retype the whole thing whenever something new gets added to the beginning or middle. As long as it's clear whether it's 'the Band' or a subset thereof, all of us can make up our own minds about what we want to pay attention to. In fact, I wouldn't stop at three or two - I'd go to one, as long as the one was in the OQ. To me, Levon being onstage with Hawkins and Penfound in Toronto in '77 is far more interesting than the OQ playing Toronto in '76. So Robbie with the Suedes (and Hawkins) at the Hi-Fi Club in '59 and at East York Arena in '59, Robbie with the Consuls in Oakville earlier in '59, Robbie with the Robots at Lansdowne Assembly Hall in '58 or '59, etc., should all be there if we have details - as should any Revols or Starlights or Capers shows that anyone has documented. Maybe Glenn in Brantford can help with pre-Hawkins Rick?


Entered at Tue Oct 11 18:12:06 CEST 2011 from (94.68.62.235)

Posted by:

Roger

Subject: Thanks Dunc...

...for the Dylan/MK post. I've seen Dylan more times than I've seen Mark Knopfler - though I have all of MKs albums and they're probably more listened to than later Dylan. For me Dylan is the single most life-changing musician of my lifetime. Beatles and Band next.

But the first 7 albums have never been matched. I'll give your suggestion a listen. I feel the same about stadiums. We saw Paul Simon recently at huge venue. He was superb but the mega-shed we were all in really didn't suit him or the audience.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:56:52 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: 16th Avenue

Thank you for your input David. I'm sure everyone appreciates it as much as I do. I am aware of course Thom Schuyler wrote the song. He, along with Paul Overstreet, Craig Bickart and Fred Noblock have penned some of my favourite works.

These four guys could fill a great book with a lot of their writings and performances. I often think when watching, (and I think I said this before) The "Highwaymen" concerts.

When you watch Waylon, Willie, Johnny & Chris on stage. Consider the amount of revenue the songs they have written, record sales, performances, (individually & together), it would be a mind boggling amount of money.

Again, when discussing song writing, many of Willie's songs, The Night Life, Crazy etc were when he was quite young.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:45:21 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Probably right on three. But as the info comes in, maybe single and duo shows are worth adding … it's all chronological, so you wouldn't need separate lists. Jerry has a column for the artist name already.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:19:21 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

i disagree with you Peter. Band shows are Band shows. shows that two members of The Band played,like Rick and Richard shows, or /shows tha included Rick and Garth, well, they are shows that two members of The Band played and would require another list.i doubt there is any chance of ever being complete with such a list. BTW, if you want to count shows that two members of The Band played in this list, you could consider counting THe Rambles that include jim Weider or Garth.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 17:17:13 CEST 2011 from (41.97.172.154)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: THE LIST

the link above is a Swedish site, the page dedicated to The Band contains a wealth of information, details, gigs, setlists, performers, and tapes

The Band in all, every, and what you'll find as incarnation


Entered at Tue Oct 11 16:58:20 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Dunc: Have been listening to BARK's "Kings and Queens" after a long break. Excellent and at times brilliant - notably the songs with Holly Cole and Serena Ryder. The former, "Step Away", though written by Stephen Fearing, is gorgeous and very very much in the Willie P style. Linden is stellar throughout.

In the reading department, I'm still working my way through "Four Strong Winds", the story of Ian and Sylvia. All sorts of little stories and insights into the surrounding scene. Like a package tour of Britain in early '66 that involved I&S (backed by David Rea and Felix Pappalardi), Gordon Lightfoot (also backed by Rea and Felix), Trevor Lucas, the Ian Campbell group with Dave Swarbrick and Colin Wilkie & Shirley Hart and the Settlers. That's where Rea first met and jammed with Swarbrick, eventually leading to Rea joining Fairport years later. Lucas's big song was "Waltzing Matilda" - what a surprise!

I wish Bumbles was around as I'm sure he'd appreciate a story that Edgar Cowan tells. (Cowan was I&S's original manager who in '62 went with them to NY with them, where they met Albert Grossman on day 1 and so got onstage at Gerde's that very evening; Grossman took over as manager, and hired Cowan to work for him out of Toronto.)

"I remember right after the 1963 civil rights March on Washington. I was in New York and Albert invited me over to his apartment. ... Sitting around a table were about seven or eight black guys. Albert says, 'I'm glad you came. Sit over there if you don't mind.' What they were doing was dividing up the spoils from the March on Washington: the film rights, the television rights, the music, even the balloons and the novelites because it was such a big deal. And the guys around the table represented all the different black factions. I realized soon after why he had invited me over. As a Canadian I was trustworthy and independent because I was an outsider. So if something needed adjudication I was there to do that. It never happened that they needed me to mediate, but that was Albert."


Entered at Tue Oct 11 16:17:45 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: From Bethlehem to Nashville

Rockin Chair: "16th Avenue" is a great song that distills the essence of songwriting. It was actually written by the multi-talented Thom Schuyler, a native of Bethlehem, Pa., who made his mark in the country music community of Nashville. For those not familiar with Nashville, 16th Avenue is an essential part of the area known as Music Row, where many publishing houses, recording studios and record labels have been located over the years. So the euphemism "16th Avenue" is the country music equivalent to what the Brill Building used to be in pop music.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 16:03:08 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

T

Subject: Rick Garth Robbie 1989

Date: 3/11/89 Performer: Danko/Hudson Location: Toronto, ONT Horseshoe Tavern Source/Quality/Length: AUD/VG+/115 Note: w/Robbie Robertson on 2 Songs. w/Colin Linden Band & Shredni Song list: 4 Colin Linden Songs CC Rider Twilight Mystery Train Keep On the Sunny Side of Life Walkin Blues It Makes No Difference Shape I'm In Endless Highway Crazy Mama Wish You Were Here Tonight When the Spirit... I Shall Be Released Genetic Method Chestfever Life is a Carnival (with Robertson) The Weight (with Robertson)


Entered at Tue Oct 11 14:06:15 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Tim - I wanted to ask about that as well. It's been discussed here that Rick and Garth did a show that Robbie guested at in '88 or '89. Can anyone repeat the info and date, venue, etc.?


Entered at Tue Oct 11 13:51:39 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Richard Bell

Can't believe I left him out when referring to how Rando&Weege had graduated from sidemen to members of The Band. Mea Culpa.......


Entered at Tue Oct 11 13:14:35 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Didn't Rick Garth and Robbie do a show in Canada right after the Juno awards in 88 or 89?


Entered at Tue Oct 11 10:19:15 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I think you can be reasonably relaxed about the criteria, and Richard Bell, Randy Ciarlante and Jim Weider were solidly part of the 90s Band, so if they’re all there, you can say it’s The Band as long as one or two originals are there too. When they soundchecked in the UK in the afternoon, the three new guys were entirely The Band for the extent of the soundchecks, which the originals didn’t attend. The Australian show in Queensland was billed as “Instant Band” but they’re all of interest, as are the solo shows. The Levon / Rick duo is two, as are the Rick / Richard duo shows.

I’d say “If you know about it, and it’s interesting, list it.”

Canada July 1994. I’d read the Edmonton review the morning of the Vancouver show (July 21st ) so it was before. If you can access Vancouver newspapers, the interview must have been the 21st … I read it over breakfast and raced to the Pacific Mall TicketMaster to get a ticket for that evening. Logic would place it Winnipeg – Edmonton- Vancouver. I still have a feeling it was then Seattle and / or Portland before California. I really must go and see if I have that paper.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 04:11:58 CEST 2011 from (24.164.173.243)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: P.B.

Subject: Pine Bush in 1996

JT- Correct: The Pine Bush show scheduled for Aug 28, 1996 was called off. Never happened.

But maybe this is the time to finally mention that it was going to be a benefit for the ambulance corp and our fire dept. The Band management (Ron Rainey) agreed to do it for a very reasonable rate. The Band was a good neighbor to us in Pine Bush.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 03:24:29 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Song Writing - The Dreams of the Young

Bashfull Bill; It would appear that history has taught us. The innocence, and naivette of the young, allows for the dreams to come forth. In your examples, (which are all good ones), could go on and on.

Buddy Hollie, John Fogerty, and through out our life in the history of rock & roll, from the 1940's forward these "dreams" come from the young.

The seasoned penmen who have spent a life time of writing, can of course conjure up the "hits" from their experience. However, as I've used this line before, from Lacey J Dalton, The most lasting and inspirational songs come a lot of the time from youth, dreams and feelings from incidents, and situations that cause the inspiration.

Example, Delbert McClinton's "Two more bottles of wine", from a real situation where his girl friend left suddenly, after a short, "band aid" relation ship after divorce.

So.......in the words of Lacey J Dalton, in her song, "16th Avenue"

And then one night in some empty room where no curtains ever hung,

Like a miracle some golden words roll off of some one's tongue.

And after years of being nothin', they're lookin' right at you,

Then for a while you go in style, on 16th Avenue.

This list could go on forever. Another prolific penman, with an understanding of people, beyond his years, John Prine. Jimmy Buffet also. All these guys, and women like Joannie Mitchell wrote their master pieces very young. Glenn Frey & and the Dons as well.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 03:01:37 CEST 2011 from (208.120.213.56)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Band Concerts

"For it to be counted as a Band show i think it should need to be billed as a Band show." Sure, I'd go along with that. I think it's that simple. (I'd certainly include the Rick-less shows from '97, as they were billed as 'The Band' and presumably five of the six then-members were still playing.)

JT, if you start cataloging "two or more members" shows it will take you until the end of time. I can't even imagine how many there would be across all the different permutations of Band members that played together or dropped in on each other's gigs.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 02:31:38 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill (again)

Location: Minoa, NY ( still)

Subject: Hilda : brilliant lyrics

Dylan's one of many, many examples. Most of the greats wrote their best stuff when young and it boggles my mind how they came up with that stuff in their early 20's. A couple examples which leap immediately to mind are Jackson Browne and Jagger&Richards. Some - Kris Kristofferson, Neil Young, Springsteen and again, many many others (Robbie) - age well songwriting-wise and though they don't produce hits they're still writing great stuff.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 02:28:07 CEST 2011 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: JT, Band schedules

JT~I will look to see what I have. I didn't do a lot of Pollstar submissions for The Band, just a few. I used to send in Rick's dates usually.

I may have some schedules, though. I will check; unfortunately, I lost some stuff recently in a flood due to the hurricane.

Somone had mentioned the 1987 Japan show. I have an old VHS of it (it was broadcast on Japanese TV), but am not sure if it is dated. I will check.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 02:23:07 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: JT

Examples of a Rickless date are when they went out as The Band with the Crowmatix filling in for Rick when he was in Japan. The last time I saw " The Band " was in Utica NY and under these circumstances. It was a few days after this show that news of Rick's bust and detainment hit the news. I've always referred to that show as " The Last Gasp". They did several shows which had already been scheduled, and it's definitely arguable whether those shows meet the criteria. It was definitely billed as The Band, but it was only Levon and Garth though I think Weege & Rando graduated from sidemen to full members back (long) before Jericho.......


Entered at Tue Oct 11 02:14:56 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

For it to be counted as a Band show i think it should need to be billed as a Band show. With at least three original members participating. the exception would be the shows during whichnRick was incarcerated and Jimmy Eppard and MIke Dunn filled in. those were booked as Bnd shows, and aside for the turn of events, Rick would have been there.so it;s fair to count them.I'd also think it fair to count the UK shows that Levon crapped out on as Band shows.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 01:58:57 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: PINE BUSH 9.28.96 Did it NOT occur?

So Lars, if I read it correctly, even though I have the Pine Bush show listed thus far, the show did NOT occur? or it did occur under someone else's 'guidance'. (re you speak of a contract etc). I will remove it clearly but I just want to be certain I understood you correctly.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 01:52:25 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Lars I'll put the Vermont show in with a ?. and maybe it will jog someone else's memory.

On another matter, the guideline we used was to list shows where at least 3 members of the original 5 performed. Where that was not the case, the booking was likely not "The Band: but some other booking with 1 or 2 members and other players. However, a submission to me by one of our group regarding 1997, with respect to bookings that were made for 'The Band; with the full intention of 3 (RD, LH,GH) performing, could not be fulfilled. Only 2 played at those shows but the booking was for "The Band" and so those shows (many were cancelled but some occurred) will be listed with an asterisk * . If Jan or others feel they should not be listed, then of course they can be removed. But, for the present, when I send tomorrow's list (unless there is an outcry in the next 24 hours against this), I have listed them. Anything can be changed, as has been witnessed already with corrections and additions. I'll be interested in opinions from the group as we continue this interesting and enjoyable (to me and some others who have written) excursion.

On the other hand, we may want to list shows where at least 2 of the original 5 played when it was not a solo or a show with for example Rick, Eric and Jonas or Levon and Crowmatrix. Some opinions would be welcomed. If we do the latter, a lot of the cognoscenti are going to have to 'kick in' their knowledge.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 00:33:52 CEST 2011 from (24.164.173.243)

Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Pine Bush

Subject: The Band gig list for 1996

I just took a look at the Band's long list of gigs. I remember my daughter Sarah put a review in the GB of a show we were at in the summer of 1996, probably July (but it might have been August). I can't imagine why it got wiped, but I guess Jan lost a few posts out of the many thousands posted, so no complaints. The venue was a campground in Vergennes, Vt. I remember that was when Levon was down in Kentucky filming "Fire Down Below" because Butch told me it took 19 hours to drive Levon up to the campground.

The bad news is that although I still have the contract for The Band to perform at the Pine Bush Harvest Festival on Aug 28, 1996....it fell apart when certain people wanted a bigger share of the profits. I remember I felt bad about it because not only had I done a lot of work organizing the show, but Butch had helped me pull it off. I gave Butch a free dinner at Mohonk. I seem to vaguely remember that there was a time during that late August 1996 schedule that The Band had some time off, perhaps because of Levon's film.


Entered at Tue Oct 11 00:31:19 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.140)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Dunc

I could not agree more. Bob Dylan's Dream(1963) is the ultimate example for me. Imagine he wrote that while he was only 22 at the time ! There is something else on my mind today. When I look at the latest version of the list I notice that The Band hardly ever toured outside the USA /Canada. I'm wondering why that is......


Entered at Mon Oct 10 21:50:40 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Thanks to Jan for posting the link for this wkd's flood benefit gig in New Paltz, NY featuring a number of great musicians, including Larry & Theresa Campbell, Randy Cialante, Bow Thayer & many more. Butchie Dener & friends have been working very hard enlist the help of these folks.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 21:46:34 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Last five albums played

More Bob Dylan's greatest hits.

Home In Your Heart - Solomon Burke - the Best of Solomon Burke

The Chieftains - The Wide World Over

Johnny Boy would Love This...A Tribute to John Martyn... realy enjoyable and your mate does great NUX

Paul Brady - Trick or Treat...I think 'Nobody Knows' is a great song.

Thanks, David


Entered at Mon Oct 10 21:37:16 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Hilda

Hilda, I went for Dylan. I think the guy is great and would love him to get the Nobel literature prize. I often think when listening to Dylan songs, how could a guy so young write these lyrics.

But I was thinking about Roger's past posts relating to Dylan concerts. He was disappointed.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 21:02:17 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Concert list

Wow 658 gigs listed so far. interesting thing is almost exactly half (326) are pre reunion, other half (332) are post waltz.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 20:57:06 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in Japan, 1987

Re the 1987 Band show I had mentioned with Fred Carter -- there is a notation in Jan's tape archive for Japan 1987, and a partial setlist -- see third-to-last entry on the linked page. Unfortunately though, no specific date or location is given.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 20:06:08 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Subject: concert list

I sent these to JT already but thought I would post so everyone could see. It might jog some memories. Dec 15, 1993 at The Strand Providence RI and Jan 22, 1994 at Metropol Pittsburgh PA


Entered at Mon Oct 10 19:27:58 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Percy's Song

On the turntable this week: RIVER'S INVITATION b/w BABY PLEASE -- Percy Mayfield (45 mono single from early '60s on Ray Charles' Tangerine label, featuring back-up from Mr. Charles & his orchestra. Years ago Amos Garrett recorded a nice cover version of "River's Invitation" with Geoff Muldaur, which he recently reprised on his Percy Mayfield tribute CD, "Get Way Back".)

JUST LIKE TOM THUMB'S BLUES -- Bob Dylan & The Hawks (B-side of the Columbia 45 mono single "I Want You", recorded live at the Odeon in Liverpool on May 14, 1966.)

DISRAELI GEARS -- Cream (English import stereo LP on Robert Stigwood's Reaction label.)

A TOUCH OF GOLD -- Johnny Rivers (Imperial stereo LP. I've been listening to this greatest hits compilation, as I'm working on playing "Poor Side of Town". I was inspired to learn this song after hearing John Donabie play a great instrumental version by Johnny A on his morning radio show a while back.)


Entered at Mon Oct 10 19:00:37 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The list

I find myself looking forward to opening my computer in the morning to see what has been added or amended, Thank JT, Adam and all for such a great project. I agree with Lars. It's nice to be here lately.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 18:55:34 CEST 2011 from (89.241.11.164)

Posted by:

Douglas

Web: My link

Subject: Robbie Radio Interview

listening to an interview Robbie did for BBC 6 Music recently. Click the link if you want ;)


Entered at Mon Oct 10 18:26:38 CEST 2011 from (24.164.173.243)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: That Hitler warning

NORTHWEST COASTER- I refuse to believe that this GB site is about to invade Poland, but if it does...France is on it's own this time.

JAN- This site has become a joy to read...nothing but purrs coming from this neck of the woods.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 18:07:40 CEST 2011 from (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: Peter M

Peter-wow...don't know what to say about that, except grief is difficult and everyone handles it differently. Makes me kinda sad :-(

I remember The Band playing at the Chestnut Cabaret in the '90s; Rick & Garth also played there with an electric backup including Jim & Gary Burke. Don't remember The Band doing the Ambler or the 23 East, but I believe Rick did the Ambler solo.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 18:07:12 CEST 2011 from (90.239.135.217)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Electronical Highways, and other Autobahns

Peter V: "We are displaying the positive power of the internet to assemble and collate information …"

Yeah, sure, just like Adolf Hitler displayed the positive power in building Autobahns. - You have been warned...


Entered at Mon Oct 10 17:43:12 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Happy Thanksgiving, Canada!


Entered at Mon Oct 10 16:29:59 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: Giving thanks

It is Thanksgiving Day in Canada today. It is an opportune time to thank all who have made The Band concert list grow and have delivered information to keep it as accurate as possible. Recent thanks to Graeme who e-mails me as he said he would earlier and is making an effort to fill in the missing shows. Question marks remain and contributions to confirm dates and locations would enhance our list greatly. Please keep it up and submit what you know and have experienced. Thanks again.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 15:53:24 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Candy Man


Entered at Mon Oct 10 15:22:52 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: TAJ MAHAL/RISING SONS

DUNC:Hope you enjoy the concert,I can only dream of seeing Bob Dylan live(no matter how good or bad the performance).It would be a dream come true!

BILL M:Yes I have heard those versions,am a big fan of both Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder and some of the Rising Sons stuff is truly amazing.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 11:35:12 CEST 2011 from (77.76.100.77)

Posted by:

Graeme

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: Concert List

Another for the list:

1996-04-20 (Saturday) The Cabooze, Minneapolis, MN - support from John Wesley Harding

JT, I am still looking through links and documents I have collected over the years for additional dates. Are you happy for me to just post up in the guest book as and when I find them? Alternatively if you want to send me an email to GWtrader1 (followed by the at sign) btinternet.com then I can email directly if easier.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 09:32:04 CEST 2011 from (69.253.214.48)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: The (soon closing for the warm months) Turtle Pond

Subject: Band shows at Chestnut Cabaret, 23 East Cabaret and beyond

Carol, I remember Cabaret shows with Max Weinberg, Jim Weider, Blondie and others. A little later I'll collate my memories. I do remember the first Chestnut Cabaret show The Band played after Richard died. A couple of women wearing "widow's weeds" (somber black dresses) passed a note to Lee, who picked it up, chopsticks style, with his drumsticks, and put it in his mouth, and ate it. All I could think is, "wow, nice coping skills", moving on as best as one could...


Entered at Mon Oct 10 09:21:21 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'm relieved I'm not going to Dylan here this Friday … I'd wanted to see him with Knopfler, but not either separately, especially three hours all-standing. I couldn't go because I had tickets for Eliza Carthy five miles away the same night … a much better bet, I think!


Entered at Mon Oct 10 02:27:45 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: Pollstar list

Carol Do you have similar Pollstar submission lists for other 1990's years or any other years for that matter? That would be extremely helpful.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 01:02:53 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.134)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: To Dunc

My former post was to you dut I deleted your name somehow in the editing.


Entered at Mon Oct 10 00:53:00 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.134)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Kopfler/Dylan, Bert Jansch

Thank you for the Knopfler review. You don't mention Dylan so I presume you went mainly for Mark .I remember a Bert Jansch LP somewhere in my storage room.I think it was his solo debut. Maybe I should get a cd if they are available here. Too bad Knopfler and Dylan did not play together. I have their complete recordings and I like them. We also have some really good smaller locations here in Amsterdam like The Melkweg and Paradiso, but he chose Rotterdam this time. By the way someone made me aware of a series of pictures of The Band in concert in Hamburg in 1971. They are among the best I have seen. They are on Flickr for anyone to see but Getty images owns the rights to use them so I don't know if I can put the link here.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 22:46:32 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: concerts Edmonton

Hi It is referenced on the guestbook about 14 years ago.. no date. Fri Dec 19 17:13:01 MET 1997 Steve. N From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Just for my two cents... I finally got to see my idol, Levon back in '94 here at the Convention Centre. Garth was fantastic (as usual) Rick was excellent, as well as Randy, Richard and Jimmy fitting in there so naturally. My favorite song is "Up On Cripple Creek", but it wasn't me calling for it to be played, but the very vocal 'sawdust & vinegar' crowd at the back of the hall. I was happy (if not outright relieved) to hear anything by the Boys after waiting eight years for them to come 'round to these parts. Can't wait for a return engagement. For all the big names that have passed through town lately, nobody's as big as THE BAND!!!


Entered at Sun Oct 9 22:13:07 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: VANCOUVER 94

Peter V Vancouver 94 has been added just now. It'll be in the next version likely up tomorrow. I put in Edmonton with a ? pending your information. Thanks.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 22:07:40 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Roger, Hilda

I enjoyed the concert Roger. There was 3 hours of music with two separate sets. Knopfler was first on with 7 other muscians. I don't know his music well although my brother must have been one of the first Scots to have the first two albums. The peak for me was a beautiful song with Uillean pipes, fiddle, accordion and guitar. Great guitar playing, but struggling with the voice. John McCusker, the Glasgow fiddle player, was in the band. I have seen him a few times and he is very good.(I have one album of his)

Roger, we used to have a saying in Scotland for our football writers - fans with typewriters - and that sums up me as far as Dylan is concerned. He rasped out many classics in a rock form. There was great guitar playing and the crowd reaction was huge. But I remember your last post after the last concert...and I know you know what you will get...which is why you don't go. (But I would like him to get the Nobel prize.)

The death of Bert Jansch robs me of another concert. I would always turn out for Pentangle, John Martyn and Davy Graham.

We have a beautiful concert hall or two in Glasgow, but the biggest acts take me to arenas, which I don't really enjoy.

Roger, I think you would like 'The Lasses Fashion' by Jock Tamson's Bairns. I mentioned it before when Richard Thompson put it onto his list at Mojo.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 21:58:23 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Version 6.0 is up … but still missing:

VANCOUVER BC 7.21.1994 VOGUE THEATRE

I'm still sure it was they'd just played Edmonton, but a Google doesn't find it. Will go and get my "Band cuttings box" out to see if I can find the Danko interview,


Entered at Sun Oct 9 17:21:52 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: Timely submissions from all

Thanks Carol for the "Pollstar list" and other info. I have amended and added with ?? where needed now that I have that list. Thanks Peter V for the kind words. Graeme, Tim. I am sending in the current version with the new and corrected entries now.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 13:26:32 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Roxy 78


Entered at Sun Oct 9 13:24:18 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Concert list

I have something somewhere on Summers on the beach (in an email, on my hard drive, print out, something on it somewhere, i'll dig it up) If we are counting all shows with 3 or more, then the real REAL Last Waltz (all five originals) 3-1-78 at the Roxy. Rick Solo with all 5 playing. Jan has photos here on the site. Tim


Entered at Sun Oct 9 13:18:02 CEST 2011 from (86.166.219.21)

Posted by:

Graeme

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: Concert List

The concert at "Summers On The Beach", Ft Lauderdale clearly occurred at around the same time as the Jannus Landing show. The link (5th item down) confirms that it was a few days before Richard died. I have also seen mention that Jaco Pastorius played with the Band at the Summers On The Beach show. Anyone have any recollections?


Entered at Sun Oct 9 13:06:04 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Concert list

graeme is correct about Jannus J, I have an ad that verifies.. now I have to figure out when summers on the beach was..might have been a day show and they played a night show somewhere near lauderdale.


Entered at Sun Oct 9 01:48:30 CEST 2011 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: The List--one more thing

Sorry--one I forgot: I know that The Band played at the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly in 1992. Not sure if it was May or June; I may have the date somewhere & I will try to find it. Maybe Bob W or PSB would know (?)


Entered at Sun Oct 9 01:38:00 CEST 2011 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: The List, JT

JT~also, this might help a little. This is a partial Band concert schedule from 1993. I don't think any of these dates were canceled; this is what I faxed to Pollstar as their tour schedule (that's how we did it in the olden days...:-)


Entered at Sun Oct 9 01:38:03 CEST 2011 from (86.166.219.21)

Posted by:

Graeme

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: Gig List

1970-01-23 Community Concourse, San Diego


Entered at Sun Oct 9 01:25:17 CEST 2011 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: The List

Thanks a lot, JT.

All "Lone Star" shows after about April of '89 were at the Lone Star Roadhouse. Tim is correct--the Cafe closed in early '89, and the Roadhouse had already opened. The Roadhouse closed in '92 or '93 -- it had a short but exciting run. Also, I incorrectly wrote "Lonestar." It is actually two words. The Roadhouse was at 240 W. 52nd Street. I remember Rick & Levon eating at nearby Beefsteak Charlie's before some of the shows! :-)


Entered at Sun Oct 9 01:08:33 CEST 2011 from (86.166.219.21)

Posted by:

Graeme

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: The List

On the linked site if you search for "The Band" it shows tickets for the following shows not currently on the list:

1986-03-01 Jannus Landing, St. Petersburg, FL (The list currently shows this date as "Summers On The Beach", Ft. Lauderdale which Tim Wood has on his list of Band shows)

1986-03-14 Memorial Hall, Kansas City, KS

1986-09-27 Parody Hall, Kansas City, MO

1987-01-07 Charlee's, Fort Smith, AR

1987-01-23 Tower Theatre, Upper Darby, PA

1994-03-31 Beacon Theatre, New York, NY

1994-10-05 Harper Stadium, Fort Smith, AR

????-01-06 Granada Theatre, Dallas, TX


Entered at Sat Oct 8 23:59:29 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Thanks Jerry

Thanks to JT we are displaying the positive power of the internet to assemble and collate information … given someone prepared to do the work of putting it together. This is great. We talked about it for years ineffectively. Now it's actually getting built.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 22:04:43 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: boston

Subject: Lone Star

There was for a brief period both a cafe on 13th street and a Roadhouse somewhere around 52nd street both owned by mort coooperman. after 1989 there was only the Roadhouse. Tim


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:53:46 CEST 2011 from (173.74.60.162)

Posted by:

Rick Smith

Location: Denton, TX

Subject: St Pete Florida, early 90s

On a (much) more positive note, I attended a show around 1993-1994 at Jannus Landing in St Petersburg, FL that's not listed in the archive. Anyone recall the details about this one? It was, without question, the best show I ever saw by the reconstituted Band.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:26:20 CEST 2011 from (69.156.210.203)

Posted by:

JT

Thanks Rick The 'eearly 99' entry has been deleted. And probably a good thing too... The incorrect spelling (typo) should have been a premonition.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:22:45 CEST 2011 from (173.74.60.162)

Posted by:

Rick Smith

Location: Denton, TX

Subject: New Orleans shows

I was the author of one of the "dire" reviews from the New Orleans 1/2/99 show and I'm pretty sure the show I saw was the last. You can find my post in the archives on 1/5/99; I don't know that I'd characterize it as "dire" but, honestly, it wasn't the kind of night that inspires a lot of fond memories. I remember hearing they canceled the next night and then made an announcement a few days later that all the rest of the dates for January also were canceled. I'm sure they never played as the Band after that. So, although I didn't know it at the time, never expected it to turn out that way, and wish it hadn't... I guess I attended and wrote the only review (that I'm aware of) of the last Last Waltz...


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:21:05 CEST 2011 from (69.156.210.203)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Astute Joan

Thanks Joan

Looking at the list, I think that 11.5.70 is more likely correct (i.e. Nov. 5, 1970) 5.11.70 is probably an error since it is too much of a coincidence that those both were played that year. I am removing 5.11.70 (having already corrected MD to MASS, that 5.11.70 entry is now disappearing).


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:13:12 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: List correction

This is a minor "niggle" but 5/11/70 is listed as Medford MD, it should be MA (Massachusetts) , Also this may be right, but there is a listing for 11/5/70 show for Medford Mass. Is this possibly a difference of the way dates are written in the US and the UK?


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:07:50 CEST 2011 from (69.156.210.203)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Which LoneStar and when?

And Carol, please let me know which concert is Roadhouse and which is Cafe. 2 different venues should be properly acknowledged. Thanks.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 21:05:59 CEST 2011 from (69.156.210.203)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Thanks Carol

Thank you Carol

I am sitting in the Maple Leaf Lounge at Pearson and have now entered your e-mail correction and other information. Also, I have entered the previous few suggestions of today. They will appear in a future version of the list. Keep those letters coming!!!


Entered at Sat Oct 8 19:49:26 CEST 2011 from (96.232.203.55)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: The List

Sorry, I said I didn't know who was compiling the list, but I just saw that JT is compiling the list. I will see what else I have.

Also, some of the shows listed in the '90s as the "Lonestar Cafe" are actually at the Lonestar Roadhouse--two different venues.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 19:34:08 CEST 2011 from (96.232.203.55)

Posted by:

Carol

Web: My link

Subject: For the List

I've never really kept a list of Band dates, but I have some itineraries, if you guys are interested, and here are a couple of items:

Not sure who is keeping the list (?) but I noticed that there is a performance listed on 9/29/90 at Cooper River Park in Camden, NJ. This is *incorrect.* The performance was on 9/23/90. It was *billed* as 9/22/90, but it was rained out. The concert was sponsored by WYSP in Philadelphia and, yes, it was at Cooper River Park, but this particular location was Pennsauken, NJ, not Camden (though Pennsauken is in Camden *County.*)

They also played at the Stone Balloon in Newark, DE in early April, 1994 (I believe it was Saturday, April 2).

The had a pickup gig at a dive called Club XS in Seaside Heights, NJ, in May, 1992. Eric Andersen was a special guest. Not sure of the exact date, but I can find it.

Hope this helps...


Entered at Sat Oct 8 18:28:43 CEST 2011 from (41.97.252.78)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: THE LIST

Bob Dylan & The Hawks – fill some blanks in “The Band Concert List ver.0.5”

3.19.66 LOSANGELES CALIF USA BD & HAWKS HOLWD BOW
… …
(Wednesday) 3.20.66 – Santa Monica, Calif USA
(Thursday) 3.21.66 – San José, Calif USA
(Friday) 3.22.66 – San Francisco, Calif USA
… …
3.23.66 PORTLAND ORE USA BD & HAWKS PARAMOUNTTR


Entered at Sat Oct 8 15:53:56 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

JT, the 7.11.91 show in Wilmington, Delaware took place at the Grand Opera House. The venue is not included on the current list.

Thanks again for your efforts.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 15:51:32 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd say Nostell Priory was

Wakefield Yorkshire England Nostell Priory

That was The Band minus Levon who declined to fly.

On Tony Marts, which Bill M mentioned yesterday. I'm sure there's a reference to Garth, Rick and Richard continuing the engagement while Robbie & Levon were with Dylan. But I thought Richard only took up drums in there basement. The easiest way to continue would have been to draft in a drummer at short notice (perhaps from a support band), and forget about guitar. Drummers can pick up and set down a beat without knowing the material, and in the circumstances they could have reverted to the collected works of Chuck & Bo which any local band drummer would know.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 15:50:50 CEST 2011 from (90.239.117.138)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Fate?

It should have been FAITH (not fate) in my recent post. Sorry, I had British bluegrass band BLIND FATE and their Belgian solo guitarist Julie Driscoll in my mind.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 15:46:17 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa NY

Subject: and then there were four.....

I too saw them not long after Richard died (though it wasn't the first time I saw Jim Weider play with The Band). I believe it was Memorial Day weekend (86?) at Longbranch Park in Liverpool, outside of Syracuse, a nice little ampitheater where they used to put on many good shows. They opened for Stevie Ray Vaughn, there was also a group with Merl Saunders, Papa John Creach and a couple other San Francisco refugees, they called themselves the San Francisco All Stars......


Entered at Sat Oct 8 15:00:13 CEST 2011 from (99.255.19.41)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Question marks (& the mysteries)

Hello everyone.

I'll be on an airplane this afternoon. I'll have some time to do some work.( Back to the west). If those of you who have interest in "THE LIST" can please look at it and especially the question marks and confirm, correct or fill in the blanks, that would be of great help in making this list what it should be. There is knowledge out there. I know it.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 13:20:04 CEST 2011 from (90.239.91.187)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Nobel Peace Prize to The Band gb?

I've lost my fate. The gb will never get The Prize in literature. Peace Prize is still an option. I was raised to believe that Englismen are pale losers who declared war to poor Finland during WW2. Now I know better, thanks to gb. - Englishmen are notorious typewriters who don't understand the beauty in BOB DYLAN's Christmas music.

After all we don't kill eachother.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 12:12:05 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Don Strike's

Still there. I've e-mailed you.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 10:45:50 CEST 2011 from (94.172.130.9)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: Dunc

I'll be interested in hearing how Dylan and Knopfler perform Dunc. I decided to avoid it this time - I love Mark Knopfler but the chances of coming away from a Dylan show without feeling disappointed are slim.

I met Bert Jansch in 1983. I visited his guitar shop in Fulham (it closed shortly afterwards) and spent a morning trying guitars - but didn't buy. He even offered me one of his own second-hand Yamahas for a good price. That was the best guitar I tried, but I still didn't buy. His patience was wonderful - he knew it could take time to find the right instrument. (Which I found in Don Strike's music shop in Westbourne, a couple of months later). Is that still there Peter?


Entered at Sat Oct 8 09:31:00 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Dylan/Knopfler/Hilda

I'm not a big Mark Knopfler fan. Just passed me by, although I like Local Hero and his guitar playing with Dylan. So I was hoping he would be in the band, but it is looking as if there is two sets. I'll let you know.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 09:10:41 CEST 2011 from (81.159.21.165)

Posted by:

Graeme

Location: England
Web: My link

Subject: gig List

A correction and an additions:

The show at Arrow Head Ranch was 4 August 1991 not 8 July as currently shown. See poster at link.

3rd April 1992 Club XS, Seaside Heights, NJ


Entered at Sat Oct 8 07:18:58 CEST 2011 from (174.114.101.47)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: BAND OPENING FOR CSNY

PSB Can you shed any further light on the 'Band opening for CSNY' summer of 1984 controversy? Do any of your indexed reviews identify concerts not yet listed or other errors to be corrected?


Entered at Sat Oct 8 07:12:13 CEST 2011 from (72.78.119.220)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: More on the list

Bob W, the first two were the Spectrum concerts I was thinking of, but somehow I missed one of them when I looked at the list. However, there is a Philly show missing. In '86, not long after Richard died, The Band played The Chestnut Cabaret. It was just the remaining three and Jim Weider. I remember it because there were tons of Garth solos, and I'm pretty sure it was the first time I saw Weider. And luckily for you guys, I kept an index of reviews I wrote, and was able to find the date and it was May 22, 1986 at the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 06:27:06 CEST 2011 from (174.114.101.47)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Liverpool kids Thanks Al Edge

Belated Thanks, Al Edge, for the link to the film of the "Liverpool kids". I have a signed photograph by Barry Feinstein of that brilliant photo of Dylan surrounded by the kids. It is framed and hanging on the wall. That is a great film. I had never seen the film before.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 06:06:28 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUP(Friend0

Had i the forsekin to know that one day the dates & locations of Band concerts would be of international importance i might have saved stubs, written down dates of the multitudinous times i attended shows. Sorry. I can name clubs, halls,cities, not becessarily get months or year correct.

but, if you guys want to look for shows at the Ritz in NYC, they had em. Numerous Lone Star cafe ,Numerous Lone Star Roadhouse shows, you'll never get em all, Central Park shows you'll never get em all. , Bearsville theatre Shows, for different reasons includig just for the hellofit, Outdoor Woodsotck shows, i think it was called Dixon road, up past the pool compnay,one of these was a weekend called woodstock 89,,this was the first year that i lived in woodsotck,. as opoosed to high falls the year before,,,,, at westbury music in long island, eric burdon and the animals on the bill,capital theater in passaic nj, of course the roosevelt raceway show in long island in 74, with tom scott, joni mitchell, csny, others, the radio city or carnegie hall ( i could never recall which it was ) "jericho" era show can't be left out, jj cale opened, helluva show, horns and all. just a start...there were alot

lars... you seen a pile, jump on in .


Entered at Sat Oct 8 05:39:56 CEST 2011 from (174.114.101.47)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Superb

PSB, Bashful Bill, Tim, Adam and some e-mails from Jan via others

. Superb!. Thanks for all your memories and recalls. And PSB, thanks for the humbling reminder. You know I am a huge Dylan fan/I knew that it was only L. and R. and no others from the group/I got 'caught up' in the list and forgot to concentrate on what I knew. So thanks for fixing what needed to be fixed. The list continues to be honed. The next version in a day or two will correct and add what came in on Oct. 7 and 8. The CSNY issue continues to be researched. So those '74 concerts in the summer are far from finalized and will have? beside some of them. The Aug 74 CSNY Buffalo show is gone.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 04:29:40 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.80)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Dylan/Knopfler

To Dunc: I'm going to see them in two weeks in Rotterdam. Rumors are they are not going to play together. Livenation concerts informed ticketholders that the starting time will be half an hour earlier than the time on the ticket, so who knows what that means..... I would be very disappointed if they don't. But I once went to a Bob Dylan/Van Morrison concert at the same venue years ago and it was srtictly separated!! So we will wait and see( or hear).........


Entered at Sat Oct 8 04:12:11 CEST 2011 from (208.120.213.56)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Another Band gig

Perusing the show list again... I feel like I've seen some video footage of a 1987 (post-Richard) Band show in Japan, with Fred Carter Jr on guitar. That ring a bell with anyone?

Thanks again for all the work that's gone into this list to date. Lots of interesting trivia, and it's stirring many fond memories.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 01:03:21 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Concert list

i've seen the ad for the september 74 concert. Blue oyster cult played too...


Entered at Sat Oct 8 01:02:51 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Concert list

i've seen the ad for the nov 74 concert. Blue oyster cult played too...


Entered at Sat Oct 8 00:29:31 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

And Wembley, of course.


Entered at Sat Oct 8 00:25:38 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Typo in my last post. The Band are listed as playing Des Moines on SEPTEMBER 8 1974 here in the Concert List, while the Wolfgang's Vault link shows there was a CSNY tour show on that same date at Roosevelt Raceway NY.

To summarize, the only 1974 dates with proof the Band opened for CSNY are Oakland (July), Cleveland and Toronto (August).


Entered at Sat Oct 8 00:08:27 CEST 2011 from (109.150.133.92)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bob Dylan

Enjoyed recent posts.

NuxI was lucky enough to see the reformed Pentangle tour in 2008 and it was great. I think I have about 5 or 6 Jansch albums. I always saw him as a British rather than a Scottish folk singer. He lived in London and I was probably a littl e too young when he started out.

I'm going to see Bob Dylan tomorrow. Looking forward to it enormously. Mark Knoeffler is playing too.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 22:38:16 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Who's Behind Those Foster Grants?

Photo link to Robbie & Levon with Dylan at Forest Hills. Somewhere I think I still have a paperback copy of Daniel Kramer's book of Dylan photos.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 22:22:46 CEST 2011 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Adam & JT : 74 ( a quite eventful year for me)

I was at both the Oakland and Buffalo CSNY shows. The Band definitely didn't play in Buffalo nor, to my disappointment at the time, were they scheduled, at least as far as I was aware. Santana and, I think, someone else opened in Buffalo. In Oakland Joe Walsh and I think Jessie Colin Young also opened. It's a long time ago but I'm grateful to be around to remember most of it........


Entered at Fri Oct 7 22:00:56 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Great stuff re Tony Mart's - thanks! I wonder if Robbie and Levon just subbed out for the two Dylan dates in NY and Hollywood or if the whole band cancelled. If the former, presumably Richard would have moved to drums. Maybe they went guitarless, or maybe Rick played guitar (and Garth played pedal bass), or maybe some axeman friend sat in?


Entered at Fri Oct 7 21:08:02 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Tony Mart's

The night club scenes for the movie Eddie and the Cruisers were filmed at Tony Mart's in Somers Point, N.J. Levon and the Hawks were frequently on the bill with their friend Conway Twitty, who helped them get booked to play there. They left to join Dylan in August 1965. (see link for additional details and newspaper ads) Their replacement for the big Labor Day end of summer gig was Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 20:22:09 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Thanks for the link Bob. Fun to see who played there along with the support acts listed. Lots of forgotten people to remember.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 19:54:05 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

NUX: Thanks for that post about Bert Jansch. The first time I ever heard of him would have been in '71 or '72. I think the CHUM-FM dj - could evena been our own John D - played Donovan's version of "Candy Man" and sketched out the connection with Jansch. Oh for the days when FM DJs actually knew what they were talking about. Speaking of "Candy Man", have you ever heard Ry 'n' Taj's '65 version (as the Rising Sons)? I think it was on my top 30, as submitted to Prof Edge.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 19:43:04 CEST 2011 from (41.97.234.118)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Thanks Ilkka, and some thoughts

To the greed 'n shallowness of the today's musinessmen, oppose the greed ‘n seriousness of the 40 years ago musinessmen

Thanks Ilkka. I almost thought I won the Prize; you know I’m a peaceful man.

as a [ex?]fan of Jane Birkin and the Nobel Prize, maybe you will appreciate to share my thoughts of the moment Ilkka. After my morning post, I somewhat pondered about concert cancellations, or more exactly appearance cancellations in a hold concert, I had in mind my beloved niece who [Reminder: I posted about the thread at its time, and with an unveiled pride] was through her job of the time, the executive organiser of Jane Birkin’s Arabesque Tour in the Middle-East, Tel-Aviv, Ramallah, Bethleem,Gaza, concerts, Decembre 2003 [see link]. I know that in such circumstances, the success is helped by its character more militant than artistic, …but Not a concert has been cancelled during the Tour, and in 2003, and in the midst of the there *?#{^}*=§?./&²/!;(“&

I can’t have any relevant opinion on the intricate paths that lead to the Peace Nobel Prize; but I often assumed that they include a climb upon the (immoral) political slopes. I’m surely unfair for the winners, but right now I feel that who deserve the accolade remain anonymous


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:37:55 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

PSB, according to the website "Remember the Spectrum", The Band performed there on Nov. 8, 1970, Dec. 8, 1971 and Sept. 17, 1976.

They performed there with Dylan on Jan. 6‑7, 1974.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:28:02 CEST 2011 from (90.239.129.106)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Nobel Prize In Peace

The Prize went to Africa. Congrats EMPTY NOW!


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:21:33 CEST 2011 from (72.78.119.220)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Boston '69

Also, there were two shows at the Boston Symphony on Halloween in 1969. I accompanied the opening act to the show, some guy from Ireland and it was a night I won't ever forget.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 16:18:44 CEST 2011 from (72.78.119.220)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: the list thing

The club Levon & The Hawks played in the summer of '65 was Tony Mart's. The Hawks did not back Dylan at Forest Hills and the Hollywood Bowl. The band was Robbie, Levon, Al Kooper, Harvey Brooks. I'm pretty sure The Band did an additional show at the Spectrum in Philly, following Stage Fright. Somewhere on the net is a site that lists all concerts (well most) at the Spectrum that may have the info. Also, I do not remember there being 4 shows at the NYC debut at the Fillmore East. My memory is of one each night.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 12:08:16 CEST 2011 from (61.68.100.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Marv Tarplin RIP

the great Miracles guitarist and co-writer of 'Tracks of my tears' died earlier. rolling stone has a lovely tribute written by Smokey Robinson.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 10:53:33 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: BERT JANSCH

BERT JANSCH Jack Orion By Richard Haslop

Bert Jansch died today, and it’s raining, just like it was when his mate John Martyn died. The sky, in the words of a favourite Elmore James blues song, is crying … look at those tears roll down the street. Some years ago I had the good fortune of speaking to Jansch, who was a massive influence on my musical life, at some length for the radio. He was not the easiest of interview subjects. He didn’t seem all that comfortable talking about himself, and my general effusiveness at his genius might not have helped, but, with a little perseverance, we got there eventually, and I’ll always be grateful for that.

He was my first acoustic guitar hero, in fact probably the first guitarist who had any real effect on what I once aspired to. Hearing his recordings over and over as a teenager shaped a great deal of my listening, and more. The first time I played the guitar on my own in front of an audience, I played a version of the traditional I Loved A Lass, a song that Jansch featured with Pentangle. It sounded absolutely nothing like his, of course, either then or ever, but, having caught the fingerstyle bug, I don’t think I played the guitar with a plectrum again. Sensibly, I gave up aspiring years ago, having finally accepted that, even if I sometimes got the notes right, I had no hope whatsoever of coming close either to his natural ease or to the phenomenal feel for the music that made his playing so immediately recognisable throughout his career, no matter how simple or how complex the song he was playing at the time.

I have taken a small degree of comfort from the fact that some extremely distinguished guitarists have regarded Jansch with awe, including Neil Young, who said that Jansch had done for the acoustic guitar what Jimi Hendrix had done for the electric, and Jimmy Page, whose instrumental Black Mountain Side on the first Led Zeppelin record was lifted, more or less intact, from Jansch’s superlative guitar arrangement for the traditional Blackwaterside on his brilliant 1966 album Jack Orion. Page didn’t get it quite right because, according to Jansch, he didn’t use the same tuning.

Jack Orion was Jansch’s third record, and the first on which he concentrated on traditional folk material. Indeed, his version of Ewan MacColl’s The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face, a love song to the grey eminence of British folk’s future wife Peggy Seeger that would become a monster hit by Roberta Flack a few years hence, is the only track on the album that does not bear the “Trad. Arr.” composer credit. Apparently the famously curmudgeonly MacColl hated all of the cover versions of his song, finding them “bludgeoning, histrionic and lacking in grace”. Jansch’s sensitive, quietly impressionistic take, one of four instrumentals on the record, to go with four songs, is certainly none of those.

Jack Orion is a short album, with nearly a third of its 32 minutes taken up by an epic version of the title ballad that demonstrated, well before the electric muse turned British folk into rock, the possibilities that the tradition offered to the adventurous instrumentalist with a fertile imagination and plenty of skill. He is joined on the song, whose pace never flags despite its daunting length, by John Renbourn, with whom he would make a duet album later the same year, and who would quite soon afterwards be his guitar foil in Pentangle. There’s also a fine setting of the lyrically surreal Nottamun Town that may have provided Fairport Convention with a template for its version and an excellent Pretty Polly to close a touchstone album of modern British folk that was justifiably among Jansch’s own favourites.



Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:48:40 CEST 2011 from (41.97.234.118)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: concert list

The poster that brought me to this site


Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:47:47 CEST 2011 from (41.97.234.118)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: concert list


Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:46:55 CEST 2011 from (41.97.234.118)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: concert list

Link: a site somewhat confuse (anarchic while internetic), many posters of The Band interest in random scattered disposition, but worth the bookmark


Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:43:47 CEST 2011 from (41.97.234.118)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Bill M : funny, I am learning English from a Guestbook

I recently noticed that 40 years ago, a cancelled concert was the exception, assuming by opposition that the ratio of the Number of Canceled Concerts relatively to the Number of Announced Concerts statistically increased today, see the link above.

If one agrees with this statement, the next step is to provide some objective reasons why. The following hypothesis, which were unknown 40 years ago, emerges by themselves without order of priority
1 – the global climatic changes
2 – the paranoid security measures at border's checks
3 – the greed 'n shallowness of the today's music industry experts
4 – the anarchic while internetic tickets sales practices\
The list is widely incomplete

Adam, JT : good point, please give me a time slot to follow with a burst of 3 links


Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:37:46 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

JT - The CSNY 1974 are correct and did happen, but I just didn't think the Band played all the dates on the CSNY 1974 tour. The Band were touring in July 1974 opening for Clapton, including 3 Rivers Stadium (Pittsburgh) and Rich Stadium (Buffalo). The Band did play Oakland in July 1974 with CSNY, as shown by the poster and John Scheele's photo on this site. However, a lot of the other dates don't seem to be right (at least to me). The Band is listed as playing Rich Stadium again a month later in August with CSNY, as well as Nassau Coliseum (when there's proof they headlined their own show there later in August 1974). In addition, the list shows the Band playing Des Moines Iowa on August 8 1974, but on that same date, the CSNY tour was playing at Roosevelt Raceway in NY (linked above). So the Roosevelt Raceway date featured in the list did not include the Band, and lends further support that the Band may not have played dates on the CSNY 1974 and just met up when their schedule aligned with CSNY. The link shows that people remember Joni Mitchell, Jesse Colin Young and the Beach Boys playing at Roosevelt Raceway in 1974.

All this is very confusing, but I just think that the Band did not have a guaranteed opening slot at every date on the CSNY tour, and instead they sometimes appeared on the bill when their schedule aligned with that tour. Pat B has often listed the Band's Chicago appearances, and he's never recalled the Band playing at Chicago Stadium again after the Dylan 1974 tour, right?

Again, I'm not an expert, but it just caught my eye and I don't think they played all those dates with CSNY. The existing tapes kind of support this. July 1974 at Rich Stadium, opening for Clapton. August 30 1974 at Nassau Coliseum, where they played their own show (Electric Flag opening), weeks after the CSNY played at Nassau Coliseum. Cornell University on September 4 1974. The two existing recordings of shows that the Band did play with CSNY are Cleveland Stadium, August 31 1974 (day after the Band's Nassau show, with Richard Manuel sick and not performing), and Varsity Stadium 1974 (which is only listed as being 1 show, September 2).


Entered at Fri Oct 7 09:22:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Without trawling the archives, my memories are the same as Pat of the interchanges here. I thought there were just two New Orleans shows, which proved to be the last shows they did. I remember looking at the projected gig list and menus online and thinking, 'Ah, that's where we'll go next holiday …" but it was not to be.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 08:47:47 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: CSNY & The Band 1974

Adam

While I cannot confirm that all these concerts happened, and trust we will hear form those who attended, you ask if there are posters and/or ticket stubs to suggest they likely occurred. A quick perusal on the web using Google in the past 20 minutes allowed me to find at least 6 sources for these concerts that summer of 1974. At some point, I might try to actually catalogue these since the question is a good one. If anyone went to these concerts, please confirm date and location. thanks


Entered at Fri Oct 7 08:11:15 CEST 2011 from (99.141.16.211)

Posted by:

Adam

Just looked over the Concert List and was confused at the entries for 1974. Is there proof (posters, etc.) that the Band played that many shows in July/August with CSNY? Everything I've come across only suggests that they opened select dates on the CSNY tour, and did not appear at every show CSNY did on that tour. CSNY Chicago Stadium, Roosevelt Stadium in NJ, etc. I may be wrong if there are posters and tickets to confirm though. I never read the Band played any of those shows with CSNY.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 06:32:42 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

It's also interesting that by far the hardest touring they did was with Dylan. They never mounted anything approaching the 65-66 days.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 06:26:47 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jon, your memory is quite correct. As I recall, at least two people reported on the real Last Waltz, the Band's final gig at Levon's NO club. They did play the NYE gig--which got a nice review--then one more, whose reviews were indeed dire. Rick then left town to play some solo gigs on the East Coast: evidently he had not agreed to all the bookings and got pissed onstage and left. The reviews are in the archives somewhere.

It's very heartening to see JT's efforts yield such excellent results. It was fun to look back and see the dates of shows I saw--I generally got the season right at least. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 05:02:38 CEST 2011 from (24.68.248.129)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: January 99 in New Orleans

Jon

Gotta read carefully! You are so right! I got confused because I skimmed over the bottom of the showbill and saw Feb; what it said was who was coming in Feb. So yes, absolutely, Jan 99.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 04:55:40 CEST 2011 from (208.120.213.56)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: New Orleans 98/99

Hi again JT, the showbill covers late Dec '98 and January '99, not February '99. Stu Hruska's and Christopher Lenois' reviews confirm that the first two dates happened (12/31/98, 1/2/99), so you can definitely put those down. The other listed dates are 1/3/99, 1/23/99, 1/24/99, 1/26/99 and 1/28/99. I feel certain that I read that some or all of those remaining dates got cancelled. Again, my best guess is that 1/3/99 happened, but (due to friction within the Band, was my impression) they did not reunite for any of the late January dates. Would love to know more myself if anyone else has any info on those dates, or can find that rather negative show review I keep referencing. (Sorry to the rest of you for dragging this out!)


Entered at Fri Oct 7 04:33:52 CEST 2011 from (24.68.248.129)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: New Orleans 1999 shows

Tim and Jon or anyone

Does anyone actually know which of those shows shown on that calendar showbill happened (late Jan 99 and Feb. 99)? Did they all happen? I want to list them but there are many and someone said maybe they did not all happen? Any input about this would be greatly appreciated.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 04:09:22 CEST 2011 from (208.120.213.56)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Band Concerts

No worries, Tim, and cool that you dug up that schedule. (The Band, Levon & the Cates, Rick & Garth, Mavis, James Cotton, Irma Thomas... what a great lineup of shows that was!)

I tooled around in the archives and couldn't find that specific (negative) review I was thinking of, but there were a few other reviews suggesting that the shows around New Years did take place. Unless other evidence turns up, I'll stand by my guess that the shows went on as listed through the first week of January, but the Band members went their separate ways after that and the later shows were called off.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 02:26:37 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Band Concerts

I stand corrected on the Levon cafe shows...


Entered at Fri Oct 7 01:36:15 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Thanks for the clarification, Pheisty. I was just curious. I never get why people don't just list themselves as admin.


Entered at Fri Oct 7 00:23:27 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: FAO JT - Dylan & the Liverpool scalls -

Not sure if you've seen this JT. It's a brief documentary re the kids in the iconic photo down by the docks. There's even a brief glimpse of our boys at the infamous 'Judas' concert.

Highlight, however, is the quip near the end from the real scall with the shell suit and bad teeth - "It's a pity Bob couldn't make it" Ha ha. Priceless.

Only a scouser could say that!!!! :-0)

The only downer is it does all happen to have taken place at the very time Everton were clinching the FA cup in '66

Nothing's perfect I guess.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 23:21:54 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Sorry, now I see what you meant. Thanks for that link, and also for pointing out Leonard's place in the highschool English corriculum. He, Birney and Layton were there to be sure, but it's Souster I recall more specifically, in that I remember a brief discussion of some line about the sidewalks being hot enough to fry an egg. Grade 13, the same semester as we read Margaret Atwood's early novel, "The Edible Woman". Well into the '70s she too was better known for her poetry. In fact in the Ian and Sylvia biography that I'm still sampling she and Sylvia would appear at the same coffeehouses, Sylvia singing solo between readings by Atwood and other local poets - Souster among them, most likely. Quite possibly Cockburn's mentor William Hawkins too.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 22:58:59 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: shows at Levon's cafe

Hi JT, the showbill in Tim's link spans Dec 98/Jan 99. Not a shred of doubt in my mind about it. Jubilation was released in the fall of 1998, and these shows happened a couple of months later. On the heels of these shows, Rick did some Jubilation material in his solo shows in early '99. I think the 'premiere of Jubilation' blurbs in the showbill just mean The Band hadn't performed it live yet.

Re the New Orleans dates, and which were actually performed: I now remember (sadly) there being a very detailed review of a pretty dire Band show from one of these dates, also on Jan's site here. I seem to think the dates after that show were cancelled. My off-the-cuff guess is that none of the late January shows listed here happened.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 22:45:49 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Good one, Kevin J. :) Love it.

I think the Harrison doc was on HBO.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 22:41:03 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: The attachment referred to was the post previous to the one which referenced the minute at which L. Cohen does his riff on the Bruce Springsteen future of rock n roll thing………..watch it quickly before fights break out on who owns what pages dedicated to those that have followers that are still fighting over who wrote what in a band that never got around to giving itself a name……btw – I always liked that Dylan cake make-up video………………and as to The List……looking forward to any and all detail on the Hawks sets/show dates Yonge Street era – 59-64….

Anyone watch the Harrison doc last night??? I couldn’t find it anywhere on my TV.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 22:08:17 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

KJ: Don't take this the wrong way, but I can't see your attachment. I'm sure it's perfect.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 21:35:37 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

….and anyone needing to chill out and see some dignity on display – the L. Cohen acceptance speech starts at the 4:00 minute mark of my attachment……..Is there another pop star that could have ever just read a lyric and have their acceptance as perfect and complete as his? Discuss…


Entered at Thu Oct 6 21:17:30 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

JT: You're welcome. I remembered the Liverpool concert, as I'd recently listened to that live single B-side. I have another additional concert: I saw The Band (with the Cate Bros.) at the old Moonshadow Saloon in Atlanta in the fall of 1984. Can't remember the exact date.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 21:13:47 CEST 2011 from (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Band & Bob Dylan Page, Jeff

Mike~it is known that the "Bob Dylan & The Band" FB page is yours. Why should it be a secret? This is how rumors and negativity get started and fueled.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:55:35 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Johnny Marr is a guitarist I like very much. I still play “Boomslang” from time to time.

Leonard Cohen occupies quite a special place in that his poetry was part of the education curriculum in Canada before and quite apart from his recording career. We studied the likes of Souster, Layton, Birney and Cohen ……….Funny thing that I have always pegged Lou Reed as a putz and plenty of his actions over the years have reinforced this as probably being true – but one thing stands out that gives me some pause to reconsider or at least demonstrate that there is a lot more there than meets the eye and that is the fact that Reed had already read much of Cohen’s work before L. Cohen’s arrival on the scene in New York mid-late 60’s and well before anyone outside of Canada was aware of him..........On Reed, I still play the “New York” record and the dvd “Berlin” is top 5 music dvd’s I have seen in the last 5 years.

Above link L. Cohen's RRHOF ceremony - Was there ever a better openning line at acceptance than his?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:55:13 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Sad news about Bert Jansch. Saw him twice - with John Renbourn in the '80s and opening for His Neilship earlier this year. I was very impressed that his very apparent skill kept a large audience of Young-heads almost totally silent (except for applause) for a full set.

Another recent passing was that of singer Daisy Debolt. Great songs, great singer, exceptionally powerful stage presence. Our late GB comrade Steve and I sometimes mentioned her (and he ex, Alan Fraser), largely because Al was from teh Eastern Twonships of Quebec and he and Daisy had spent years in the '70s / '80s living on a property that Steve would later farm.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:49:11 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Carnegie Hall 1968

Chad

"So it shall be written. So it shall be done. " Added.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:35:12 CEST 2011 from (81.156.154.13)

Posted by:

Chad

Subject: Band concerts list

January 20, 1968: Carnegie Hall, Woody Guthrie Memorial Concerts - there were actually two performances (afternoon and evening). The list only indicates one.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:34:42 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Jubilation release

Tim

This is from this Band site: "The Band's studio album Jubilation was recorded in Levon Helm's Woodstock barn in the spring of 1998, and released by River North Records on September 15th the same year. It includes songs written by Rick Danko, Levon Helm, Garth Hudson, Bobby Charles, John Hiatt (also guesting), and Allen Toussaint, and has Eric Clapton playing slide guitar on the song "Last Train To Memphis."

The showbill you posted shows early Feb. shows with 'premier of Jubilation' early on. If this showbill is from early 1998, then I can only assume that they were playing the music even before recording it? Or is there some error? Or is the showbill early 99? And why would they wait so long before 'premiering' the music if they recorded it and released the album so many months earlier. I'm glad you are doing the research. Looking forward to any answers that might accrue.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:33:46 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Read about jansch late yesterday, Peter. Thought he might have been a friend of yours. Great talent, if you were friends, sorry for your loss. Don't know why, i always confused Jansch and Ralph McTell.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:27:28 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Jeff - No, I'm not affiliated w/ either pg. Sebastian is solely operating THE BAND pg now.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:27:25 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Band Concerts

Not sure what show happened. Looks like that sheet is Dec 97/Jan 98 but again no clue if they performed. I'll do a bit of research.. Tim


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:19:51 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: TNT prize

Peter V

Mr. Dylan will likely win the prize next year. I agree with you regarding all your assertions. I think people can't get their heads around poetry with music attached to it. Somehow that is not literature. Time to get over it! Also, I agree that Mr. Cohen should be on any list for the work he has done. In fact, his poetry (books and music) is highly regarded and his novels add to his body of excellent work. Hopefully, old ideas about what constitutes 'the written word' and literature will evolve.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:10:50 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Mike H- that Dylan / Band page you linked- are you and Sebastian affiliated with that one also?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:09:55 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Nobbled Prize

Nothing against this Swedish poet, who, like 99.99% of literature interested people I've neither read nor heard of. He might be brilliant, for all I know.

However, BOB DYLAN. I've criticised the old bloke often enough, but in the 20th century he stands waist, chest, shoulder and head above ANYONE in spreading interest in lyrics around the world. And his lyrics are a form of poetry, and it's also likely that fair bits of Shakespeare got set to music in the day. I shouldn't think Bob could care less (well, apart from the money prize), but it really is astonishing that he hasn't had it before, and I mean any time in the last forty years. By 1971, his body of work was way beyond anyone in the field. You could argue that the prize isn't for lyrics set to music. Fine. He has a fair old stack of poetry too. I agree Tarantula might run against him though. But once it's decided he can even be nominated, to most of the world it's then a one horse race (well, you could put Leonard Cohen up there, having been a poet first).


Entered at Thu Oct 6 20:02:05 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bert Jansch

RIP Bert Jansch, one of the most influential British guitarists.Johnny Marr was on the radio recalling how he was into anything but folk, then he heard Jansch and was blown away.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:58:15 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: New Orleans Jubilation shows

Tim

Are you able to verify which of these many shows with the Band listed in this superb showbill that you submitted actually occurred? Can we assume they all happened?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:48:20 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Levon's classic cafe sheet with shows


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:47:43 CEST 2011 from (90.239.82.215)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Nobel Prize in literature... on a serious side

This year's winner is a hell of a poet. Congrats.

But... lead singer of The Band was one of the strongest candidates in the end. According to some people, even the strongest. Nobel Prize is a dirty history: big media companies, world politics, racism and of course local Swedish pettiness. I am really sad... but like I said The Winner is a great poet.

(When I speak about lead singer of The Band I don't mean Ronnie Hawkins.)


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:41:17 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

No "Nobel Prize in Literature" for Bob Dylan. It went to poet Tomas Transtromer.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:34:08 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Liverpool and the kids

David P

I can't believe I missed Liverpool 5 14 66. I have that famous photo of Bob Dylan and the Liverpool kids on my wall framed. It is among my favourite of the Dylan photos. Thanks for this.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:25:41 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: 1966 Concert Addition

Another addition for the list: Bob Dylan & The Hawks at the Odeon in Liverpool, England on May 14, 1966. A great version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues", recorded at that concert, was originally released as the B-side on the Dylan single "I Want You".


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:16:02 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Concert list The last Band concerts

Jon

The July 4 1996 Broad St. Festival show is there in version 4.0. as 7.4.96. It certainly is included and will show up in the next list if it didn't make the one already on line. Thanks for your comments regarding the late 98 /early 99 shows in New Orleans. That will appear with ? beside dates. If anyone can enlighten us in this regard, please write. Thanks


Entered at Thu Oct 6 19:12:31 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Downtown crowds

Jon, there are crowds downtown again, but with a very different purpose. Wall Street demonstrators in search of financial equality.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 18:40:47 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: 1996 Band show addition

Re Jan's 4.0 Band list. I'm surprised to have a show to add to such a long list, but... The Band played in New York City on July 4, 1996. Venue can be listed as "Broad Street Festival"... it was an avenue fair in downtown Manhattan. As proof of venue and date, link is to an AP photo from the show.

Also, I don't know the dates, but the handful of club dates in Levon's New Orleans cafe (late 98/early 99) are missing from the list...somewhere in Jan's archives will be the club schedule, though my impression was that not all of the scheduled dates were played. I think technically those were the very last Band gigs, not counting shows by Rick/Garth/friends, etc.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 18:20:22 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

The evolving gigs list is amazing. Great job! Link included to a nice "Bob Dylan & The Band" facebook pg.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 17:48:58 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Concert List Thanks Bill M

Bill M

Thanks for the kindness. I've always felt that a documentation of this type was needed. Most of the info was already here thanks to the contributions from Jan (tape archive) and those who provided the data that allowed for such an archive to exist. More to the point, there are many out there with memories and memorabilia (stubs, news articles and reviews, etc.) of concerts they had attended that needed confirmation and/or needed being recalled. It is amazing and reassuring that so many people remember shows they attended and how great they were. Ideally, where there are question marks still on the list, we'll get the information to 'fill in the blanks' about accurate dates. As well, corrections are welcomed.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 16:49:35 CEST 2011 from (24.108.237.39)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Quivering in a dark alley

Gawd Damn Al !.........I was scared. Which remind me, What do yuh call a 6'6" black guy in a dark alley with a knife??????? SIR! and nod yer gawd damn head at the same time.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 16:06:16 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Al E: Nice to see you and that hand back in the game here. You too Todd.

Empty N: Sorry to move from the more or less sacred to the more or less profane, but the line "I am learning the Arabic Language" reminds me of the moose scene in "Fawlty Towers": "I am learning English from a book".

Thanks to so many of you for the gig list. A special tip of the hat to JT for his whip hand (there's that word again), and also to Adam, PV, Tim and JH for their contributions. Looking in at one point yesterday there were so many consecutive Adam postings that the thought flashed through my head that JH had recoded things to sort alphabetically.

Someone lent me Steve Tyler's autobiog. Given the Band connection, I looked around for former Suede / Hawk Scott Cushnie, who toured with the group as keyboardist and played on "Toys in the Attic" and at least one other album. No mention, unfortunately, though of course there's mention of Jack Douglas, who signed on as the group's producer while still a Toronto-based American. Douglas had joined Cushnie in an Ontario group called the Liverpool Set in the '60s and had moved north with them, and stayed with Cushnie for a couple of subsequent groups / record projects. Then he found work as Bob Ezrin's assistant, and when Ezrin didn't want to produce Aerosmith, the job fell to his protege (just as Ezrin had landed the job of producing Alice Cooper because his mentor - and former Robbie fellow studio musician) Jack Richardson didn't want to. I believe that both Ezrin and Douglas were involved in Crowbar's final album.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 16:03:37 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pulling the pud

Ha ha

LOL


Entered at Thu Oct 6 15:48:43 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Herr Doktor Freund (via Peter V)

Location: Wien

Ach, Al. I am much concerned about this line you have written:

"let alone pull on his treasured sparkling maroon baby grow".

Ve all know that it makes babies grow, and it is natural entirely for the men to pull it on it for all men "treasure" this appendage. This should not make it go maroon unless it will be pulled upon too often. But what its 'sparkling'? Are you saying that this man's maroon tool is radioactif?


Entered at Thu Oct 6 15:39:59 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

It all adds up, Al. Someone was telling me that Van used to be the most affable cheerful fellow you could possibly meet, but something happened at Nostell Priory that he refuses to talk about. He just mutters, 'That was the fecking day me life all went fecking wrong, the day I lost me fecking piano hand,' then has his bodyguards kneecap the questioner.

Now the only response a proffered mitt gets is, 'Feck off.' So it is all your fault.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 14:38:17 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Oops

4/21/84---just found it! Now gotta look for the stub from the CapitalTheater in Porchester,NY with Rick,Sredni,& Jorma. Also during the later '80's,I believe,I attended a series of shows in in Uncle Willie's bar in Kingston,NY including closing night with Jorma and Jack.Closing night was one week after Rick's son passed away.The show went to 4 in the am.Gotta find the txstub,newspaper clippings,and cassette of these shows. Finally,Levon did a show on a rainy night in Saugerties @ The Flamigo Club.I know I have newspaper clipping from that one somewhere.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 14:19:51 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Queens College

I know I saw a show at Queens College in queens,New york between '83--'85.Unless I'm mistaken,& will check for ticket stub,I was unable to find this on any lists to date.Also,I believe the truck with The Band's gear was stolen that evening. Can someone give some input on this? Thanks.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 14:14:13 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Had to re-post this after recalling that Nostell Priory gig

DO NOT FORSAKE ME OH MY DARLING

The odour hung ominously in the air.

Fear? Perhaps.

Foreboding? Maybe.

Stale hamburgers? Possibly more likely. Even here.

Call it what you will. We shall never really know for sure. That night in that narrow dark alley, whatever it was stalked nostrils desperate for something fresher; lighter.

Yet, in those moments that followed there would be no freshness. No lightness. No new pastures materialising out of the thin air. The protagonists at either end of that alley were already set on their ominous paths. It was too late to stop now. Two different worlds were about to collide. Two lives, mapped out years before, were now ready to discover what had lain in store for all those years.

Either side of them the ramshackle shanty pulsed with offers of refuge. Lights shone from caravan windows. The shadows formed offered an escape of sorts. Tempting them with a way out.

And yet, in reality, the flickering lights merely emphasised the steely resolve etched deep across each of their faces. So the easy option was spurned. The get-out clauses rejected out of hand. These were men who simply never turned back. This was their Tombstone. Their Dodge City. This was their alleyway of fate.

As they drew nearer, their eyes met. Bizarrely, it revealed disparate appetites for the momentous rendezvous about to unfurl.

The one suddenly began to ooze relish. The other, meanwhile in stark and sobering contrast, reeked of dread.

It was becoming quickly clear that the stench of foreboding had in fact emanated from one source alone; that those seemingly corresponding resolves had been fed by differing fuels. At once, an upper hand had been established. The rule of the jungle would apply here as anywhere. And this alleyway was no place for the faint-hearted.

The protagonist relishing his fate was now sprightly, hungry even; seemingly eager to pounce. The other cagey, as if frozen in the glare of the spotlights from those caravan windows either side. He glanced almost desperately either side at those lights that shone on him. Now he would have taken any one of them to make his exit. To transport him away in some mythical Celtic ray. Now he prayed for a door to open to invite him in. Any light. Any door. Anything. A hole in the ground, even, to swallow him whole.

But it was too late. Perhaps, it had always been too late. The sprightly one, the younger of the two was too nimble. Moved far too fast. Even before his older adversary had time to realise what was happening, he was upon him. He flashed out his arm from his side and grasped the hand of his older adversary with as firm a grip as he could muster.

"Don't mind I hope Van, lad. Respect mate!"

It was the firmest handshake Van Morrison had ever had to encounter.

As they loosed go, the younger man walked off into the night. Smiling. Content. An over-enthusiastic fan off perhaps to bother others of similar repute amidst that backstage shanty. Garth? Richard? Rick?

Meanwhile, Van Morrison stared disbelievingly at the hand before him; wrung of all life, moulded as if putty. He wondered to himself whether he'd ever again be able to play the piano, let alone pull on his treasured sparkling maroon baby grow.

:-0)


Entered at Thu Oct 6 13:22:21 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Band gigs

My paltry contribution was my only ever Band gig [linked] - which is where I forged a firm friendship backstage with the Belfast Cowboy - NOT!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Oct 6 10:07:27 CEST 2011 from (41.97.208.54)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Franco Battiato – "Vieni L'Autunnu" (Fall Has Come)

Ilkka: funny, maxim learned

I often thought of Italy as a state built around Lombardy and the charisma of Victor-Emmanuel, that's what official History said, and that the standard Italian language followed as a subsequent growth knowing the predating civilization of the cities. As a French speaker, Italian used to sound for me the nearest foreign language, the easiest to understand without academic apprenticeship. My first confrontation with Sicilian Language. This time it is really too different

Franco Battiato – "Vieni L'Autunnu" (Fall Has Come) is in Sicilian Language, beyond the wonderful song, it is the song awaited for the moment. Worth attempting what might be my most imprudent translation

We are a small shade as there is too much sun
The Autumn arrives as soon as it gets dark
The trees lose their leaves and the school opens
From the sea we feel the roar of the wind
My father taught me the bricklayer art
Despite being illiterate
It is useless to do twists and curls
Here you can reach the top of weirdness
The saint in marble and not sweat
Shoots fireworks above Annunziata
Fireworks in the sky with colors of burned air land
And all over the holly lane in sight
My beautiful Sicily
What a strange and intricate feelings
I will tell you one day with my pen
I wonder if you can really understand
I just don't know why I wish you so well
What's your name ? :My name is Khalifa
I am learning the Arabic Language
There's only one task made at perfection
The task which is made at its schedule



Entered at Thu Oct 6 09:51:20 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: 90s gigs

7.21.1994 Vancouver BC Vogue Theatre (see review here linked).

I know I read a review in the morning paper with an interview with Rick Danko. My memory shouts "Edmonton the day before".


Entered at Thu Oct 6 06:44:02 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Correcting Chicago U Mandel Hall

Pat B Thanks. That is exactly the kind of information that only personal experience can provide. I have corrected the listing and it will appear in a version in the next few days, I trust.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 05:45:53 CEST 2011 from (69.177.231.87)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Band Concert List

I just found a ticket stub for a Band show at The Sting in New Britain, CT, December 1, 1990. I know that there were quite a few other shows there as well during the 1990's, but I didn't have the foresight to save an organized collection of ticket stubs.

I'm still trying to figure out when I saw the reformed Band with Richard and the Cate Brothers....my very first Band concert. I know that it was at the Orange County Speedway in Middletown, NY during the Orange County Fair. So it was July or August 1983, 1984, or 1985, but most likely 1985 (were the Cates still with them then in the summer of 1985?). They were the opening band for someone who I can't quite remember but it was either Joe Walsh or Charlie Daniels both of whom I saw at that venue during those years.

Kevin J. Thanks for the shout out. Unfortunately I haven't been able to check-in very often lately. I figured that if our elected officials can't kick start the economy, then I would take matters into my own hands. So we bought a house last month and have been busy trying to get some renovations done. Real estate agents, Mortgage brokers....building supplies....contractors....it's a heavy load, but I'm doing my part to prop up the flagging housing industry and turn this economy around....plus trying to keep my own job afloat. It's a heavy load, but someone's gotta do it. But it doesn't leave me much time for fun! Hopefully I can join in a little more often once the dust settles.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 05:20:14 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The FM broadcast of the Band at Mandel Hall dated 7/1/83 is actually 11/6/83. They played the Auditorium in Chicago on 11/4/83 and played the U of Chi gig two nights later on Sunday. The show was taped by Tim Powell for WXRT which also was involved in the Friday show.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 05:01:53 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, sorry to say Bocephus covered TNTDODD, an unfortunate link. BTW, I saw an Original Master vinyl recording of Big Pink going for $65 today at a record store in Chicago.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 03:43:44 CEST 2011 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin in NE PA

Bob W - those were the days. Too bad they couldn't keep it going. I remember seeing Ringo and his All Starrs there as well as CSN. Summmer shows there always had a nice breeze from the lake.

Although it was mainly a bar, The Station had a nice large room for concerts. The only thing I can find online is a couple of pics of the site. A friend I used to work with remembers partying with Levon after the show in one of the railroad cars that were converted to hotel rooms. They were actually quite nice.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 03:22:15 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

I sure do remember Harveys Lake, Kevin. Turn left on Rte 118 and head for Ricketts Glen. Remember the Station as well.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 03:15:10 CEST 2011 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin in NE PA

Subject: Band Concert Update

Addition to list. I saw them open for Little Feat.

7/11/93 - Harveys Lake, PA. - Bud Light Amphitheatre

This site references the show as July 1993

http://harveyslake.org/text/story_hanson_ampitheatre.htm

This Little Feat site identifies the date as 7/11/93 (while it indicates Wilkes-Barre as the city, it's actually Harveys Lake (wilkes-barre is the nearest "big" city)

http://www.featbase.net/search_venue.asp?Venue=Harveys+Lake+Amphitheater

Bob Wigo - You remember Harveys Lake, right?

I also saw them in Wilkes-Barre at a venue called "The Station", which was a refurbished railroad station. I believe this was right after Richard passed but I'm not positive. Needs more research. Maybe I can find the old ticket stubs.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 03:10:19 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Thanks, Al. Stay well.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 02:20:04 CEST 2011 from (74.118.207.169)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: fare thee well steve jobs....

can't believe this news...steve jobs has passed on. what a visionary! that's one person who has had a major impact on this planet, and music in particular. too soon gone.


Entered at Thu Oct 6 01:40:18 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Band Concerts

Dexy, I can comfirm I have (tiny) ads for about 5 shows played there between 91-93 including 7/31/93


Entered at Thu Oct 6 00:07:14 CEST 2011 from (66.45.129.2)

Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Band gigs - July 31, 1993

Jan - Love your list of Band gigs. I don't have the proof, but my wife and I saw The Band at The Lone Star in NYC on 7/31/93. I remember the date because my wife was very pregnant, and I remember calling my Dad from the gig, because it was his birthday. I few weeks prior to that, we saw Levon guesting with The Colin Linden Band (including Richard Bell) at the same place.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 21:35:27 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Previously HBO had not been available in Canada….The review in today’s papers said airing on HBO Canada………I have 9000 channels including one that shows a chicken being roasted 24 hours a day ( no joke ) but not sure what channel HBO Canada is………..Bill M, BEG any other Toronto GB’ers with cable…….help wanted…


Entered at Wed Oct 5 20:52:03 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: George Harrison Bio

Just a reminded that Scorcese's bio of George Harrison is on HBO at 9 PM tonight.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 20:40:18 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Dylan for the Nobel Prize?? Well why not, they gave Obama the Peace Prize before he did anything so good luck to Bob.

I'm am really impressed with the "list making" What a great body of The Band knowledge resides with the GB posters.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 20:26:24 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

People actually bet on Nobel Prizes now.........Dylan is 5-1 to take the 2011 prize in literature - to be announced tomorrow......See above from "Expecting Rain" link.........as for me - as long as The Faces get into the RRHOF this year -I'll be happy.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 19:25:51 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

…..and there were reports in the press about a madman in the UK tossing Bob Seger albums out a high-rise window in protest of something or other……..I thought for a minute that the Liverpool football club might finally have pushed our legendary bag-snatcher over the edge…….alas no! My other favourite team in red starts tomorrow against the hapless Leafs so months of sporting ups and downs both sides of the ocean are upon us….Go Habs Go! On the subject – it would be good to see dlew, Todd, Landmark and NB back around……and the elusive Carol to discuss more than just Bobby D's art.....


Entered at Wed Oct 5 19:08:24 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Gooseneck Al :-0)

Subject: Bob W

Genuinely good to feel part of this special little community with fine folk like yourself and others too quick to show concern at a fellow poster's absence.

Rest assured, apart from the recuperation from listomania - Hiya jeff ;-0) - nothing sinister Bob - just way up past my lugholes in deadlines on a couple of jobs myself and my buddy have been working on. So really been under the cosh with time really only to skip read.

Still waiting on Simon's Motown list btw

:-0)


Entered at Wed Oct 5 17:59:08 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

A nice photo from RR's facebook page.....above link.

David P: I always enjoy when you highlight what you have been listening to. Thank you.

JT: Good work.........We have all had experiences of seeing bands or performers that later went on to greatness at the formative stages of their careers - but as I have stated many times - I would truly have loved to have seen the Hawks on Yonge Street in that 1963-1965 period when everyone in the band was firing on all cylinders musically.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 17:06:24 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Concert List

Hello all

The 83-mid 90s portion of the concert list is well on its way. Thank you again to everyone who continues to submit e-mails to help make this list complete and as accurate as it can be. Please keep sending any information for this list. The list tries to include any concert that was 'The Band' rather than individual shows by one member or when two of the five were involved in a show.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 16:38:58 CEST 2011 from (90.239.100.242)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster's Dog

Location: Pink painted doghouse

Subject: Any clue whether was there a The Band Concert on May the 28th 1971 in Konserthuis Stockholm

EMPTY NOW, thanks for your loyalty. I know the answer, but there are, have been, and always will be two thruths about The Band. Get used to live with it.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 16:33:42 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Spinning on the turntable this week:

"The Fantastic Expedition of Dillard & Clark" -- New Sundazed LP reissue of this landmark country rock album. Also available on CD from Sundazed.

"Portrait in Jazz" -- Bill Evans Trio (Original Riverside mono LP pressing) The lush piano stylings of Bill Evans with Scott Lafaro on bass & Paul Motian on drums.

"These 23 Days in September" -- David Blue (Original Elektra LP pressing)

"The Other Side of Chet Atkins" -- The guitar master picking the Spanish nylon-string. (Original RCA stereo LP pressing)


Entered at Wed Oct 5 14:02:12 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Al Edge, hoping you are alright.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 13:18:30 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Empty Now

Thanks for fixing it so people can see the link. I'm technically challenged.


Entered at Wed Oct 5 10:33:46 CEST 2011 from (41.97.149.85)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Now my regular morning post, philosophy and Arabia oriented.

I recently posted what I construed a traditional Arabian saying, commenting the venue of JRR autobiography.

"There is only one task which is made at perfection; it is the task which is made at its schedule."

To give Caesar what belongs to Julius, in reality I learned this overwhelming wisdom from a song of Franco Battiato, (see link above) it is the meaning of the Arabic stanza at the end of the song "Veni l'autunnu". Something made me believe that he borrowed it from a traditional saying, it is the rule for someone who begins. Whatever is the origin of this sentence, it remains sublime and even the song is cited at its schedule we in perfect consistency.

In a tangent order of ideas, as in the same post I cited Al Mutanabbi, I would like to share my personal take of the traditional practice concerning Arabian patronymy, to spell systematically "Al" at the beginning of somebody's name. is not semantic part of the name as in Al Edge, but just the standard article 'the' used for common words. For my part I always skipped the article in the citation of those. It is like if everytime and systematically one writes "The Band are The Robbie Robertson, The Levon Helm, The Garth Hudson, The Rick Danko, The Richard Manuel".

I learned since a long time ago to respect any culture.

Talking of overwhelming sayings, here is one of present time relevance

"Nothing that is ever done has fully succeeded, as long as anything that is initiated is not fully completed"

Origin unknown, somebody stop me please or I won't gonna stop bla bla bla….


Entered at Wed Oct 5 10:02:01 CEST 2011 from (41.97.149.85)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Allow me Jed to confirm in normalized form the link you provided. It is my experience of The GB, a link typed within the body of a post text is a fading link for those who scroll hoping to absorb a legend in a shortest time. And a lost link in the long run.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 22:30:28 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Lost Mind of Hank Jr.

Are you sure Hank would've done it this way? Talk about bad timing -- Hank Williams' son, Randall Hank (Jr.), goes on the Fox Network on the eve of the release of The Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams and, amid a rambling political rant, drops the name of Adolf Hitler in an inane comparison about President Obama. In reaction, ESPN pulled Hank Jr.'s "Are Your Ready For Some Football" intro to last night's Monday Night Football broadcast.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 21:02:01 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams

I just put my initial thoughts (three times through, that's all) on my blog. See link.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 20:10:48 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Band Caves

"Come on over baby, we got chicken (kickin') in the barn..."

Levon's "barn" sounds like quite a step up from the "band cave" in the basement at Big Pink. Like the old wood shed out in the country, the concept's the same -- a place to hang out, hone one's music skills, practice & record, without disturbing family members or neighbors. That Levon's barn evolved from a working studio into a concert hall seems natural. In recent years, hosting music performances in a home setting has become quite popular, a modern equivalent of the old blues tradition of house or rent parties.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 19:37:47 CEST 2011 from (184.145.65.108)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: add concert lists

Re Nov. 2, 1985, if memory serves, I attended one of two shows that day in Stratford, Ontario, at Stratford's Festival Theatre (or Theater, if you prefer), concerts that included Richard's former group, the Revols. I have the ticket stubb somewhere, in one of 852 cardboard boxes in my study. I should houseclean one of these days.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 19:29:18 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Kevin, regarding that link. So often it is almost impossible to reconcile a persona with the art or work that person has created. As time has progressed the great divide between RR's pre - post Band musical accomplishments and his evolving persona has widened at an astounding rate. The link illustrates just how great that divide is. what does it mean? not necessarily a thing. Like so many things, it just is. As he says, we are talking about axe men here. they are human after all.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:42:39 CEST 2011 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: RR

See link for Guitar Player RR Interview


Entered at Tue Oct 4 18:24:33 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link - RR on hanging out with Jimi Hendrix.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 16:58:43 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

JT, I saw The Band perform at the Grand Opera House in Wilmington, Delaware on Thursday July 11, 1991. Billy Preston was onboard. I still have the ticket stub.

Sure wish I still had my ticket from the '74 tour with Dylan but the memory is very much alive.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 16:32:21 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: The Concert List

The list is growing. Please send any more information regarding 59-76 when you can. 83-86 (reunion tours) are being added today. I would welcome any information regarding that period and moreso 86-90s. Thanks to all.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 13:50:33 CEST 2011 from (75.34.57.44)

Posted by:

Adam

Bob - I sure do have a great interest in any recordings of Rick from the "Dolphin Project" in 1972. It would be of amazing historical value, though I don't expect to hear or see the recordings of that any time soon. I'd really love to be wrong though, and have the holder of those recordings share them for all to hear and enjoy.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 13:36:54 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

I could be mistaken, but I think WIlliams' was in Branson, Mo. Quite a few have their own theater there, including the Dillards.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 13:32:06 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Does anyone else have an interest in the recordings that Bobby Ingram mentioned in his recent post?


Entered at Tue Oct 4 10:16:45 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I can't recall the details … didn't Andy Williams, Dolly Parton and Chuck Berry have their own venues at one time or another? (Not together, obviously!)


Entered at Tue Oct 4 07:06:47 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

"The Lost Notebooks Of Hank Williams" was released today. Levon's track is a real gem. "You'll Never Again Be Mine" is a slower ballad, with a real heartbreaking, lifting melody and wonderful backing with lead fiddle, mandolin, and such from Levon's band. A wonderful track.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 05:52:18 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Kevin- having a barn is not a requisite. Levon doesn't have one. "The Barn" is a big beautiful, 2 story wooden room plus, built for the purpose it serves, recording, and performing. the loft type section upstairs was a very open living space in the preramble days, and the studio control room, has a shower, commode, and sink. What we know as the Ramble has been in Levon's head a long time. Prior to The Rambles coming to pass, it served as a studio clubhouse, attached to Levon's living quarters. Never was a barn. a friend, from Arkansas, once explained to me that Arkansas guys, or country Southern guys in general, like to have something they call The Barn. Even if it is just a garage, it's a barn. Well, this is all wood, and no epxense was spared building it. it's gorgeous.Not a barn though. The amazing thing is that because Levon calls it The Barn, and journalists and everyone passing for a journalist call it the Barn, and the musicians call it The Barn, a huge portion, probably the large majority of people who have heard about the rambles but not attended any , or been to his home, think it is a barn. the man does have vision, and like i always said, if he didntl become a musician, he probably would have ended up owning the largest John Deere tractor dealership in arkansas.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 05:43:39 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Toronto Pop Festival Summer 1969

Tim

I just reviewed many sites on line and found the poster for The Toronto Pop Festival 1969. From what i can tell, The Band (Music From Big Pink advertised on the poster) played only Saturday afternoon June 21, 1969 and did not play on Sunday June 22, 1969. That is to the best of my ability to discern from the information available. Each act had a set time and no act played on 2 successive days.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 02:25:38 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is An Impossible Way of Life

Jed, i agree with parts of some of your points. There are other key ingredients besides a loyal dedicated volunteer army (of course, someone could do this with a paid staff but it woud be more close to impossible). And they would only be available to someone who could attract and sustain the dedication of a volunteer army.As you pointed out, a steady pile of top notch musicians and a steady flow of A list guests, happy to come, play and hang. There are other people who could pull it off. Someone like Neil Young could afford to build a theater or small studio set up like Levon's, abd believe me, he'd have no problem getting any band or guests he wanted, sane for Nash, Crosby, Emmylou,Allison Krauscoudl do it, Elvis Costello there is a long list. thing is, Levon has had this in his mind a long time, he's wanted to do this. And he needed to do it- doesn't like the road, and needs the income.nothign wroing with any f this, why would anyone want to live ont he road at his age. dylan and BB king are unusual.

the high price tickt, also, as you say, is a tough nut to crack, but people would pay it and more for certain artits.Few.

The community, Woodstock, is an oddity , but other places exist. I would point out that i disagree, the community did not set up for Levon, no one had to make any changes, this is how the community is set up.For music, thetare, arts, lovers. Many live there full time, or part time, and the community also thrives from toruism coming for the beauty of the area, and what the area offers in the way of music and art. People flocking in for Rambles is no big deal, in fact, the rambles have infused a hurting scene and a community where tourism has been down in general. Bearsville theater these day is making a strong comeback.

One of the big keys here , is as I have always said, Levon, singing or not these days, is the voice of America. Somehow, Levon talking is the voice of America. WHen he got the Rambles going it was like a burst of joy across the entire music scene, when he was singing relatively well for a while, and though it was different it was clearly Levon Helm, the voice of America had returned. Levon has left his stamp on American music, and, though it was just one voice of three amazing voices, and his value was of no more or less to The Band than any other member's, it is his voice, and also the blend and usage of the three vocies, that is most recognizable to the general public as the sound of The Band. Levon is loved for his musicality, name musicians come because of that. The Band's musical contribution is unique. Levon's Rambles are the most readily available connection to that. that si why they work. it is also why i have always been of the opinion that more Hudsonian activity in Ramble land would be more musically and culturally momentuous and earthshaking.


Entered at Tue Oct 4 01:15:17 CEST 2011 from (72.237.79.129)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: Robbie at World Cafe

World Cafe Live has tickets available for Feist and The Dawes with special guest Robbie Robertson Oct 29 at $100 for standing room, $200 seated. As for the Band in San Francisco 12/31/'83, I did listen to a live broadcast that night on WXPN (the station affilliated with World Cafe, by the way). They usually played the Dead's NYE shows year after year. I listened to the NYE '83 show that year when I was at work. I recall that it was loose and silly and featured a few jams and collaborations between the Grateful Dead and The Band.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 23:48:58 CEST 2011 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

Carmen

Subject: RR in Phillyu

Tim - I got tickets - is this confirmation enough.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 22:56:09 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Robbie Live in Philly??? can we confirm?

World Cafe(R)with host David Dye, the nationally-syndicated contemporary music and interview program heard on more than 225 radio stations nationwide, is turning 20! WXPN, the nationally-recognized leader in Triple A (Adult Album Alternative) music and producer of the program, today announced that it will celebrate the milestone throughout October. The month-long party will include special programming, a World Cafe(R) Broadcaster Brown Ale Beer Week, tribute concerts with The Jayhawks and Ani DiFranco and the World Cafe(R) 20th Anniversary Celebration Weekend featuring performances by John Hiatt, Indigo Girls, The Little Willies, Feist, Dawes and Robbie Robertson plus a private event with Amos Lee.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:46:34 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff….Good points and I would agree that few others would find themselves in that position………as such, no doubt that the formula will be modified but I do think it will happen…………….15 years ago no one could have imagined rock stars being DJ’s……..now it’s hard not to turn on a station without hearing one spinning something or other……..no one has come close to Little Steven’s Underground Garage or Randy Bachman’s surprisingly good show which has been running for years on CBC radio……….Having a barn and living in the Country might be prerequisites to a Ramble copycat though……


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:44:41 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Taking the Ramble further on down the road

Not so easy,I believe for other musicians to contemplate having Rambles in their homes.Lots of reasons:Levon has a location within a few hours or less of many major cities--down the road southward from Montreal or north,from NY,NJ,Connecticut,or further south down from the east coast.many musicians may not be in a good location to reach.Also,a community has to "tolerate" a music scene and fans have to be ready to pay way more than other concerts.And,it has to be worth the money and overall investment,and only a big name performer with big time musicians would have a chance.And,loyalty shown to Levon may not be shown to many other artists.There are very few towns that love music like Woodstock and would step up to support the artist. So,if say,Gregg Allman were to try this,in the part of Georgia where he lives,it would never happen simply due to poor location and the nature of the "private" community he lives in.Lots of big time musicians all over the world,but you'd need to figure out first,can and will people come here,will the locals buy in,will we provide top notch music and atmosphere,and ultimately can costs be covered? So, I may prove wrong,but very few Ramble type setups will emerge in the future.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:36:59 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Mississippi River Festival

Hi Adam There is a Images of America book on the Mississippi River Festival that references their second appearance, only record (other than than the list in the previous email) of their concert in 70


Entered at Mon Oct 3 20:13:49 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: The Road Is An Impossible Way Of Life

kevin. you wrote:"Prediction: In time, the concept of the Midnight Ramble will spread and many other big time musicians will attempt to copy the program." Bear in mind Levon has something that is priceless. Literally. A loyal assemblage of selfless,tireless, unpaid volunteers, seven years running now. Dedicated to levon's well being. Many been there the entire time. In the beginning, many of the musicians either played for free or close to it. there aren't many musicians who could engender this kind of behavior.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 19:07:30 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Tour Dates

http://home.comcast.net/%7Ethebandtrades/Artist_list.htm#The%20Band%20[reunited] hit the The Band &/or The Band Reunited and this may help with lists...hope i'm not reposting what's already here!


Entered at Mon Oct 3 18:57:55 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sullivan

It would be 11/2/1969 I think.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 18:54:04 CEST 2011 from (74.108.30.41)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ed Sullivan

Do we includethe'69 appearance on the Sullivan Show?

The Fillmore concerts would have to be 2 sets. they always had a late and early show. The late show was always the best as there was no time limit.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 18:13:37 CEST 2011 from (136.167.102.118)

Posted by:

Dave H

The Band's appearance on Saturday Night Live, broadcast from Rockefeller Center in New York, was on October 30, 1976.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:56:36 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

A poster for the 12/10/70 Atlanta concert is pictured in the liner notes booklet for the 2000 Capitol CD remaster of the Brown Album.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:45:54 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Poster for a show at Opera House, New York City, New York - October 11 1969.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:37:58 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Poster for a show at Music Hall, Cleveland, Ohio - March 14 1970.


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Posted by:

Tim

Web: My link

Subject: March 7 1970 Upsala College East Orange NJ


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Concerts Boston College Boston Mass Feb 21, 1970

I had more than I thought....


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:17:02 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

As I attended, I do know that The Band played at the Municipal Auditorium in Atlanta, Ga. on Dec. 10, 1970. There was no opening act for that evening concert.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:15:15 CEST 2011 from (41.97.222.178)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

from the same link, 73 pages PDF

BOB DYLAN / THE BAND (a collectors guide to the 74 Tour)


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:13:11 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: McMaster University Jan 18th 1970

referenced in article about massey hall show from link on this site.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:10:17 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Concerts Guelph, Ontario, January 16, 1970


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:07:57 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Constitution Hall Washington DC 27, October 1969

http://theband.hiof.no/articles/bernstein_the_band.html


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:07:22 CEST 2011 from (41.97.222.178)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Stockholm

Adam: it is on the basis of your precious link that I called for more,

JT: by 1971 a canceld concert was the exception, on the general rule is a cancelled concert is more mediatiased than an effective concert, I meant that a total absence of source about aconcert is compensated of a total absence of source about any concellation. I claim the insertion of Stockholm May 28, 1971. eeventually an observation may be added, it is not a clause of disinformation.

meanwhile, i found the linked above /!\ PDF DOCUMENT /!\ richly documented

STILL ON THE ROAD : 1966 BLONDE ON BLONDE RECORDING SESSIONS AND WORLD TOUR.

pages 1224-1550 of a book I cant identify

Illka it's time to send your dog search any clue whether was there a The Band Concert on May the 28th 1971 in Konserthuis Stockholm, any mention is welcome


Entered at Mon Oct 3 17:05:44 CEST 2011 from (134.174.21.2)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Concerts June 22 1969 Toronto Pop Festival

Toronto Pop Festival Toronto Ontorio 22 June, 1969 Robbie speaks to it in a 69 rolling stone article http://theband.hiof.no/articles/rr_intreview_rs1969.html also From The Band Guestbook... Serge From: London Ont. Doug McClement : Interesting entry.. I also was at the June 21, 1969 Toronto Pop Festival in Varsity Stadium, some photos that I contributed were taken that day, and are here in the pic. sections of each Band members. I also have about 15 minutes of "ho-hum" 8mm film that I took of the Band, both behind the stage area and during the concert that day. It was their first "major" large concert in Canada as the BAND, but actually there was a small venue at the University of Guelph


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:47:11 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

JT - No problem! Glad to help with this.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:46:40 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Though we have to remember that Dylan's live dates were generally far more extensive, frequent, and higher profile. From September 1965 to May 1966, the Hawks backed Dylan. Plus the 1974 tour, which was record setting.

Personally I'd like to see a more meticulously organized list. Maybe with different sections: "The Band 1969-1976", "Bob Dylan & The Band", "The Hawks (with and without Ronnie Hawkins)", etc. The entries for multiple shows on the same day also seems a bit complicated. For the 1969 shows it's always been unclear to me which shows had multiple sets a night. Would Winterland's second night have 2 shows? The Fillmore shows in May were supposedly 2 shows each night, according to Levon's book.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:41:52 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Adam I missed it

Sorry Adam. I just missed that date. That's why we all have to do this together. I'm just the compiler ... a pair of hands to keyboard. Surveillance is necessary to make this accurate.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:35:20 CEST 2011 from (174.89.112.62)

Posted by:

Kevin J

A quick glance at the concert list reveals that the Bob Dylan connection is not as exaggerated as sometimes stated…..it would seem that well over 50% of all shows played were with the painter.

The new Wilco is getting a lot of buzz….heard play on 3 different radio stations this weekend driving around Toronto.

Thanks for the Levon BBC clip…..he looks great but sorry to see he is still having problems with his voice……In the bigger scheme of things – it doesn’t matter of course, but it had come back to about 80%-90% some time back and I was hoping that that was where it would stay……Prediction: In time, the concept of the Midnight Ramble will spread and many other big time musicians will attempt to copy the program.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:27:04 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Here's another pic of the Band and Dylan at the festival. Note Levon's "King Harvest" bass drum head.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:24:39 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Tim - I forgot about the Mississippi River Festival in 1969. The Band played the show, and Dylan unexpectedly came out and played with them for Slippin' And Slidin', In The Pines, and an unknown song. No recording exists unfortunately. A picture from the event is linked above.

I've never heard of the Band playing at the festival again in 1970.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:22:08 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

Jon - A partial audience recording is available from the Dec. 26/27 1969 shows at the Felt Forum. Levon mentions these dates briefly in his book... basically that they were a lot of fun, and that the Band made the place seem like a small gathering with friends on the porch.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 16:20:34 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

JT - All the European dates (including May 28) are printed in the program I linked a ways down the GB page here.


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Posted by:

Tiim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Concert list july 14, 1969 and Aug 11, 1970

Mississippi River Festival in 1969 and 1970. Scroll to The Band 69 Dylan performed. http://www.siue.edu/lovejoylibrary/archives/mrf/pdf/performer_index.pdf


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:55:06 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Band concert lists

Thanks to Jan, Tim and everyone else who have been working on these concert lists. A lot of interesting info here already.

At first glance, I'm intrigued by the four Madison Square Garden dates played at the end of 1969, as I think it's the first I've even heard of them. Do any recordings exist of these shows?


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:43:47 CEST 2011 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: RR - at world cafe in Phila

Sorry - see link.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:37:15 CEST 2011 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: outside Phia
Web: My link

“Dawes are the break-out act of the last couple of years for World Cafe. You have to see this band live, Also Robbie Robertson, founding member of The Band will make a special appearance. He has been using Dawes as his backing band for rare live appearances. We are lucky to have him.” – David Dye A self-described “American rock ‘n’ roll band,” Dawes represent everything pure and true about that fundamental delineation, four talented friends making music together, fueled by a shared belief in the power of their songs. With their latest release, Nothing Is Wrong (Ato Records), the Los Angeles-based band – singer/guitarist Goldsmith, his brother Griffin on drums, keyboardist Tay Strathairn, and bassist Wylie Gelber – continue to master their blend of singer/songwriter reflection with folk, country, and AOR-inspired arrangements, all ringing guitars, soaring harmonies, and heartfelt melodies. After spending much of the past two years on tour, songs like “Coming Back To A Man” and “Time Spent In Los Angeles” have a restless, unsettled quality evocative of life lived on the road. A collection of songs that expertly builds upon the template laid by 2009’s extraordinary debut, North Hills, Nothing Is Wrongsees Dawes displaying staggering growth and evolution while still manifesting their distinctive, unforgettable voice.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:10:47 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Sorry May 28 1971

I made a typo. (Not good for a listmaker). I meant May 28, 1971


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:08:58 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Empty Now May 29 ?year

Empty Now

I infer this was 1971 (May 28 - Konserthuset, Stockholm, Sweden) since the Band were in Copenhagen a couple of days earlier. Please confirm and the concert will be inserted into the list. And thank you!


Entered at Mon Oct 3 15:07:45 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: LEVON on BBC WEBSITE

Interview up today.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 13:21:03 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stockholm

No reason … could be a faulty source, or my typing error in transcribing it. It was ages ago and I don't remember. "Oh, No! Not Another Bob Dylan Book!" by John Bauldie was the main source on Dylan + Band.

BTW, I think it'll take ages to get this anywhere near definitive … it'll rely on people checking and posting corrections or JT. The 90s needs doing. When I saw them in Vancouver, the local paper had a list of that tour, but if I kept it, I have no idea where it would be. I had the feeling they moved on to Seattle and Portland.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 11:27:03 CEST 2011 from (99.141.72.63)

Posted by:

Adam

I provided the complete European 1971 dates a few posts below, including a link to the program. A user from Dime kindly posted that.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 10:00:15 CEST 2011 from (41.97.222.178)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Peter V

is there a particular reason the concert

May 28 - Konserthuset, Stockholm, Sweden

doesnt figure in your list ? (ver.0.2)


Entered at Mon Oct 3 07:42:52 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Subject: Orleans

John Hall is back in Orleans again. They perfromed in Florida yesterday and apparently there ar fall dates coming up.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 03:10:37 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Thanks Tim for the 93 review

Alan Niester missed the mark somewhat in his review. I remember that review. He underrated in my view what was a great show. And the sound was superb in that small circular hall used for graduation and built years ago

. The list continues to grow thanks to your input and the input of others. Thanks to all. Keep it coming.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 02:28:03 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Rick @ Dolphin Project Benefit

Bobby Ingram, as you know there are lots of great options available to you for sharing that audio/video of Rick at the Dolphin Project Benefit......(poorly concealed hint).......Seriously, despite our relentless list building, there are many of us who would welcome another opportunity to see and hear Rick perform. Sincerely hope you will consider it. Thanks again.


Entered at Mon Oct 3 00:21:06 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: boston

Subject: Concert list

On 12/31/83 they opened for The Grateful dead in san fran, so my list does have(at least)that one error. But i do have an ad for them playing in NYC that date so they must have bailed for a better gig. JT I just shot you a review of that 93 Toronto gig. More to come.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 21:30:26 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: 86-90s shows

Tim

To finish this at some point, a list of shows from 1986 onward would be of great help. The ideal would be to go from the beginning into the 90s when Rick, Garth and Levon played. I recall a show at Convocation Hall at the University of Toronto which was superb. Colin Linden played at that one.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 20:57:30 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: The Band Concert list

Above is 83-86 list Up to, and including Richards last concert. I have a ton (A TON) of articles, images, ads and links for about 80 percent of these show which I dont know what to do with (almost all in some digital form, or pdf). I can contribute to JT, happy to do so. Tim


Entered at Sun Oct 2 20:37:19 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Since I'm watching this site

Hilda F

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 19:56:53 CEST 2011 from (145.101.24.244)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Dylan and plagiarism

Last night I could not sleep -pretty unusual for me-and I got to thinking. Art.....fake......copying........and then the dime dropped! The Asia Series, right? What has been coming from Asia for years now? Exactly: imitations, fakes and clones of almost every western product, including the iPad I am writing this on. So now it is the other way around: copies of pictures from Asia. There is an old dispute: does art imitate life or does life imitate art? Take your pick!


Entered at Sun Oct 2 19:27:05 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Subject: 2 cents plain

In my close to worthless opinion, at this point in time or space, no gb list has any meaning till lest it be blessed by Al Edge.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 19:11:52 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Additions to list

Peter and all those interested in the concert list

I have gratefully received a list from Peter with details that have allowed additions to the list. I am sending the new version on to Jan as an update. Where there are questions, I have placed a ? mark. Please add and correct where it is needed.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 18:07:30 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

One file is large (7 MB) because it has scans in. Let me know if it doesn't get through. Just sent.

Looking at it reminded me of the "Kansas City mystery." Years back, I met an American from Kansas City via business, and I mentioned The Band. He said, 'Oh, yes, my brother and I taped Levon & The Hawks in Kansas City. They used to stop off between Canada and the South." There's no mention of such a stop anywhere in anything. It seemed plausible. He said they still had the tape. He was a keen AWB fan, and I promised to send some pre-AWB stuff (Forever More). I did. I never heard from him again.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 17:26:19 CEST 2011 from (41.97.222.178)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Big Time JT, Big Time

linked above an auction sales site. product information (currently unavailable):

"THE BAND European Tour 1971 (Rare original 1971 12-page 8" x 11½" tour programme featuring photos & biography information & a nice band centrefold picture. The programme has survived for thirty years in superb condition"

at least we know the format of the program, one page per concert, (cheers brave Adam), and that the program is surely somewhere

and this is my authorized little malice in passing: one day reading the list of concerts all in a row, the "goddamn impossible way of life" will get an all brand new effect


Entered at Sun Oct 2 15:39:45 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Link via PSB on Facebook. Beautiful.

Bobby Ingram, please stick around and share some of your Band experiences.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Concert lists

Thanks Peter

I have e-mailed you just now. I'm certain your work and Tim's will greatly increase the list and also confirm some of the dates I have found last night on line since I sent the primary list in.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 10:25:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

JT, e-mail me, TheBand (no space after 'the' followed by the at sign)viney.uk.com, and I'll send you what I've got. Also I'll give you a contact for Tim Woods who has done a long and thorough job on later concerts.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 05:51:47 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Festival Express

Shows were to have occurred in Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver. Problems with Montreal and Vancouver prior to the shows removed them from the schedule. Calgary was added. Two shows occurred in Toronto and 2 in Calgary. As anyone knows, there were other problems also as the train progressed. It is all well documented in the film.. I will put these shows into the list.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 05:35:13 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: ADDING TO THE LIST

Thanks Hilda, Bobby, Adam.

My plan is to watch the submissions and add to my Excel spreadsheet with each submission. Then every few days I will send the updated list to Jan and when he sees fit he can put it on the site as an update. I think that will work.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 05:13:59 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

JT - thanks for your help and for leadin this. This should be a fun and very informative list.

I was going to work my way through "The Band" years first, starting with 1969, but since others are pitching in wherever they can I'll follow up with a complete list of the European 1971 shows (taken from the concert program, scanned above from an attendee who posted on DimeADozen.org). The Europe 1971 tour dates were as follows:

May 18 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Germany

May 19 - Cirkus Krone Bau, Munich, Germany

May 20 - Jahrhunderthalle, Frankfurt, Germany

May 22 - Wiener Konzerthaus, Vienna, Austria

May 25 - Olympia Theatre, Paris, France

May 27 - KB Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark

May 28 - Konserthuset, Stockholm, Sweden

June 2 - Royal Albert Hall, London, England

June 3 - Royal Albert Hall, London, England

June 5 - Concertgebau, Amsterdam, Netherlands

June 6 - De Dolen, Rotterdam, Netherlands


Entered at Sun Oct 2 05:08:22 CEST 2011 from (74.166.133.94)

Posted by:

Bobby Ingram

Location: Cocoanut Grove Florida
Web: My link

Some flash backs over 40 years . Hearing the Hawks in 1962 with Vince Martin at the Peppermint Twist , later at the Hollywood Sportatorium early 70's The Band and Dylan ,The night in Winterland at the Last Waltz and later singing Christmas carols with Rick and Dr John at the party in Japan Town afterward. Lured to the Grove by Fred Neil Rick Danko played at one of our Dolphin Project Benefits (I have tapes and video of that show.) Great musical and personal moments with Rick. Mornings when I row , earphones cranked we still sing together " That big rockin' chair ain't goin' nowhere. "............. How did they know ?


Entered at Sun Oct 2 04:55:14 CEST 2011 from (62.140.137.98)

Posted by:

Hilda F

Location: The Low Countries

Subject: Concert list

They played the Amsterdam Concertgebouw on the 5th of june in 1971. They did two shows there on the same day because the first one was sold out almost immediately. I managed to get a ticket for the second show and I have the review in the dutch newspaper De Volkskrant to prove it.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 04:02:53 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: We have a treasure trove of information here

The pictures and poster reproductions on this site give us clues to concerts that likely occurred. Over the next short time, I will review these (others might want to do this also) and confirm dates. ie. Brass Rail Tavern in London Ont. with Ronnie Hawkins and the Festival Express concerts. (late June and early July 1970) across Canada. Dates can be sourced from the poster and the film. More to come.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 03:28:39 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Crang Plaza Toronto mid Aug 1964

This site is rife with information. Levon and the Hawks at Crang Plaza in Toronto; likely dated mid August 1964 as there is talk of it being 2 weeks until Labour Day. So I think we add this to the list.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 03:02:34 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Sunday April 20, 1969 NOT

April 20, 1969: Civic Center Plaza, San Francisco, CA: Sons Of Champlin/Ace Of Cups/Freedom Highway This was an outdoor free concert downtown, known from a dated photo by Kenneth Loh. All three bands were West Pole acts

Also, Gleason in that article (which we both read) noted that though Graham wanted to have a Sunday concert, Albert Grossman (the manager) wouldn't hear of it, speaking of other commitments and wives. So Sunday April 20 is out unless someone was there and can confirm.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 02:47:46 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

JT - I did indeed read the Gleason review of the Winterland shows. I agree that if there was a 4th show it probably would have been mentioned there. Levon's memories from his book borrow quite a bit from the Gleason article as well. Hoskyns' book, other than those Bill Graham tickets linked below, is the only other source for there being a possible 4th show: he says how not even a promise from Bill Graham that a 4th show would be added "for anyone who felt they didn't get their money's worth" appeased the crowd that first night.

So maybe it is best to stick to the facts, and say that the confirmed Winterland shows took place on April 17, 18 and 19. There may or may not have been a 4th show, but I suppose there really isn't any solid evidence for that.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 02:39:35 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

jT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Winterland 1969 3 concerts

Adam A review of Ralph J. Gleason Rolling Stone article May 1969 confirms that 3 shows occurred at Winterland. (April 17, 18, 19). The first night was the night of Robbie Robertson's illness and the 'hypnotist cure'. The show apparently (if you read the reviews) was not up to par. The Friday show on the other hand was said to be superb. So April 17 (Thursday) and April 18 (Friday) get added to the list.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 02:38:30 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Subject: concert list - 1969

I'm working on my list of shows for 1969. As suggested by the vintage tickets above from Bill Graham's archive, I would say that the Band played Winterland on April 17, 18, 19 and 20 (the last show being an addition after the failure of the opening night gig). There is an audience recording of that final night at Winterland in 1969.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 01:03:03 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria at present

Subject: Let's fill out the list

The first version of a concert list is in What's New?. Jan put it there. Let's complete it with what we know.


Entered at Sun Oct 2 00:54:27 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria right now

Subject: The Concert List

For anyone interested in the L&TH/Band concerts from 1959 to 1976, please go to 'What's New" and see the first attempt at a list. Expand that list and we will have something to hang our hats on.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 20:21:49 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.135)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Concert lists

We're on it. Stay tuned.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 18:17:45 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Ugh sorry for the typo on my first post, last paragraph. The concert poster lists the dates April 17, 18 and 19.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 18:15:36 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

I think those tickets may be the only proof that there was a Sunday show added, unless anyone was actually there or knows someone. The sources all say Albert Grosman and Bill Graham were at odds ("Like King Kong versus Godzilla" was how Levon put it), so maybe the Band decided to add a show on Sunday. The tickets for the first 3 shows have a very specific color scheme: red letters for the first night, yellow shading for the second, and both colors together for the third (final) night. While the Sunday show ticket looks "last minute".

If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say there were 4 shows at Winterland, and that the first known recording of The Band live is from April 20 1969.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 18:06:25 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link


Entered at Sat Oct 1 18:05:48 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Band show list

Since we're going through the dates for the concert list, I have questions about the very first shows The Band played: Winterland 1969.

The poster lists April 17, 18 and 19 (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). All the sources (Ralph Gleason article, Levon and Hoskyns books) say that the first night was a failure, the Band only playing for 30 minutes. They all also say the next night - Friday the 18th - had 2 sets at about an hour each. I'm assuming the Band were supposed to play 2 sets each night (early and late?), and did so for all the dates except Thursday the 17th (due to Robbie's illness).

All the sources also mention that Bill Graham wanted to cancel the first night and add a show for Sunday the 20th to replace it. Albert Grossman refused, and the Band played the first show as planned. However, the link from the photo archive above shows 4 tickets for 4 nights: April 17, 18, 19, and 20.

Is there any way to confirm that the Band played that extra show at Winterland? The poster says April 18, 19 and 20, but of course the poster would have already been printed and would not have shown the added date. All of this matters because in the circulating audience recording of Winterland 1969, Robbie mutters "This is our last night here...". It just makes me wonder whether or not that recording should be labeled as April 19 (the last of the confirmed/advertised dates), or whether they DID in fact add a final show on Sunday.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 15:40:27 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Momentum

Adam Let's not lose momentum. Post your list please. And Tim, if you can, please put your list up and we'll be on our way. Peter V, if you have a part in that, please put your material up. It could be kept offsite or perhaps Jan would allow it in the left side list under Concerts as 'Concert Archive'. This quintet's list is overdue and all who care will benefit. The Band concerts from 1959 to 1976 should be documented before we all forget.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 14:51:38 CEST 2011 from (90.239.91.240)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Dunc's Dylan link

Thanks for the link but I doubt that this man can play bass without plectra (take a closer look ;-)


Entered at Sat Oct 1 12:03:34 CEST 2011 from (41.97.151.175)

Posted by:

Empty Now

thanks Adam

the 8 songs listed below are more exactly the openning part (before the entr'acte) of Paris concert. there was a 2nd part

let's say, if half a GBer posts half a concert, the hob is over


Entered at Sat Oct 1 11:47:28 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

Empty Now - the free, legal torrent site DimeADozen.org currently has the largest collection of Band shows available to download online. Many have posted shows there, including myself. You can find all circulating recordings of the Band there (except ones not allowed from the site - Woodstock, Watkins Glen, etc. - that have released portions).

I'd be happy to post my list from the collection I've gathered.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 11:09:49 CEST 2011 from (41.97.151.175)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: correction

if one GBer posts one CONCERT


Entered at Sat Oct 1 11:03:42 CEST 2011 from (41.97.151.175)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Ilkka Re:WIPMMP / The Concerts List

Ilkka: Very true, in WIPMP, Dylan thinks aloud his European Tour with great inaccuracy, his mind overwhelmed by some painter who has meanwhile achieved a masterpiece, it is the latter that occupied the niche of the chorus and propelled the title back, there's no gondolas in Rome, and out the reference to Botticelli niece the paintings ingredients are rather rare out of the chorus. You're surely right.

The Band Concerts List : why waiting more ?

Where is the difficulty? if one GBer posts one list, the job is over, from Winterland to Winterland, the concerts are fixed, there will be not a one more and not a one less, I hope the linked above page will be exploited, at least to be inserted to the Tape Archives, its content is surely incomplete but confirmed by crossed sources

The Band - L'Olympia - Paris, France - 25 May 1971

Time To Kill
Strawberry Wine
Up On Cripple Creek
The W.S.Walcott Medicine Show
Unfaithful Servant
Don't Do It
Rag Mama Rag
Slippin' & Slidin'

(Ths internet site is a non-commercial site according to German Telemediengesetz § 5 (1) and does not host any files. No torrent tracker is running on this site, only links to other internet sites which do not outrage the copyright of the artists are offered. The operators of this site cannot assume del credere liability for third party contents which have been included in an automatized way.)


Entered at Sat Oct 1 10:20:12 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Concert lists. The problem will be putting them up (Tim has done loads of work) then updating them. As more info comes in, it'll be an ongoing task. It might be best to hold it "off site" and link to it from the site. Any ideas, Jan?


Entered at Sat Oct 1 08:18:02 CEST 2011 from (99.141.52.19)

Posted by:

Adam

I haven't been involved in a Band concert list, but I'd love to participate.


Entered at Sat Oct 1 08:01:22 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is A Goddamn Impossible Way Of Life

Subject: New Band Word

Garthantuan


Entered at Sat Oct 1 06:46:18 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: The Road Is An Impossible Way Of Life
Web: My link

Subject: Garth Live Tomorrow in East Township Pennsyvlania

see the link. yes. Tomorrow!


Entered at Sat Oct 1 06:40:27 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Garth Live Nov 5 in Westchester

Jan's What's New Page has a nov 5th concert listed in Mamaroneck,N.Y's Emelin Theater. Garth Hudson, backed by Gent Treadly. If you can believe everything you read, Treadly is a killer band. I don't know for myself yet, ut I hope they are. Regardless, if i am within 500 miles the day before, i;ll be at that show. I'd drive 500 miles to see Garth perform with a high school band.


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