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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, April 2003

Below are the entries in The Band guestbook from April 2003.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 23:25:07 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-243.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.243)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: bass & wine

I thought Levon has said he played bass on Mystery train. Saved is the straightforward predictable line-up, as far as I know. Happy to be corrected if anyone has more info.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 23:17:48 CEST 2003 from host-66-81-43-82.rev.o1.com (66.81.43.82)

Posted by:

Jimmy K

Location: CA
Web: My link

Subject: Journey into the past...

What an emotional journey going through this site. I haven't heard stuff like this in years... Those old days rocked!


Entered at Wed Apr 30 23:07:11 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Sipping the Wine

Funny, I'm playing the Shape I'm In on my laptop right now (TLW version) Anyway, Blue Nun takes me back about a dozen years. Forget how it tastes except it was a white wine and the girlfriend I was dating at the time.....ahh, well ...best change the subject. Peter, I am encouraged about what you said about the Chilean wines. I would be more than happy to reinvestigate them. What I said about the pesticides applies to any number of countries too. The scary thing is you just don't completely know. And I do not exempt the U.S. either.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 22:57:03 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-243.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.243)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Wine

David's post reminded me of our favourite early 70s tipple, known as "Carafino". The label stated "produce of one or more European countries" which was vague but encouraging, and it came in Rose, Sweet White, Medium White and Red. We used to call it Parafino because it tasted like paraffin which never stopped us drinking it. I think it was around 50p a litre. Whatever else has happened in 30 years, wine has improved a lot. Remember Blue Nun?


Entered at Wed Apr 30 22:49:36 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-243.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.243)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: wine & new re-releases

Empty Now: I can’t recall the tune of American Stars & Bars! When I track it down, I’ll respond. You have me interested!

JTull Fan: Well, let’s go from one extreme (Cuba) to the other (Chile). I was mildly worried by your note as a consumer of Chilean wines. There are several organic ones sold in the UK. They say that because of the altitude of the vineyards they don’t need pesticides (and they are grown on pre-1870s French root stock, unlike any other modern wines).

Ben Pike- SPIN of Newcastle, UK are advertising The Marmalade “Kaleidescope” (quoted as a “psych / prog” album!) in their latest catalogue. Tel UK (+44) 191 2614741. If you can’t get through to them, e-mail me (viney “at” mailbox.co.uk) I’d guess the time difference as 6 hours ahead of Texas.

Other gems from the same catalogue are Holy Modal Rounders “Good Taste is Timeless” and “The Moray Eels”. And Zoot Money “As & Bs – The Singles.” + Seatrain “Watch” (1973) which I assume is the albu,m after Marblehead Messenger.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 20:38:31 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Handsome Lake

Kalervo: I did read your post about Handsome Lake and it prompted me to find out more about this historical figure & his code.

In some respect, the Native Americans have found a way to exact revenge on the "miserable whites". The Indians now run many profitable gambling casinos all across the U.S. where they wisely provide top-flight entertainment, serve firewater & induce the patrons to foolishly throw away their money in clever games of chance. Wise men know that the odds are always in favour of the house.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 20:32:13 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTUll Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: 2 buck upchuck

Trader Joe's: That's a countrywide chain that has an impressive and reasonably, actually cheaply, priced selection of specialty and health foods. WIne: for $6.00 per bottle, you can actually get drinkable wine that is pretty decent. I find the $10.00-$12.00 range to be more than good if you know how to shop around, and that is my most common price range. I can get most local vineyards for this cost. For $16-$19.00, you can get some really good wine, but unless you imbibe regularly it's still a crapshoot and no guarantee that it will be any more enjoyable than a $10.00 bottle, and perhaps not even better than a $6.00 bottle. $20.00 + is a rare treat for me, and usually not worth the price. Perhaps a winetaster like Al Stewart can appreciate the diiference, but I usually find that this price range is nothing more than a $10-$15.00 bottle marked up after a good review, or a successful vintage that, as it runs out of stock, becomes more in demand for that very reason and thus marked up sharply. I'd much rather find an equally good cheaper bottle and enjoy the pleasure of discovering something new.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 19:45:18 CEST 2003 from dialup-64.156.155.240.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (64.156.155.240)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: SC

Subject: David Powell

David - Send me your address if you want & I'll tell you about my time at WRFG and working in Buckhead: johntstevenson@earthlink.net


Entered at Wed Apr 30 19:37:17 CEST 2003 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.251.240.113)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Consume society beats Handsome Lake

Hahhaa...the world is really ungrateful...When I write a heartfelt message about Handsome Lake and his way to sobriety, only reaction I get is something nonsense about beers...Oh Lord why didn' t you let Indians win these miserable whites! Even here there would be less talk about those boring musicians from 70' s. Please the great Creator of viruses, do the job of mercy!


Entered at Wed Apr 30 19:31:12 CEST 2003 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: ldrendall-at-comcast-dot-net

Subject: Lend me your ears (and opinions)

John D & D. Powell, another interesting Dylan cover (Zimmicentric?) disk is Tim O'Brien's "Red On Blonde", although it samples from different albums, not just one.

Lars, Rick's voice is an inspiration. The past few years of mostly NOT singing with electrified backup (or something) has allowed a step or two more on my upper range. The day I could do "It Makes No Difference" brought tears of joy. I've since started doing other songs that explore that "Ricky feel" although not Band songs. Any time I can get that range I feel like I am conjuring the ghost...

And now to the titular subject...getting a windfall of a few freebie disks from BMG. Any opinions on 1) A bluegrass/country group "Pinmonkey", 2) David Baerwald's "Here Comes The New Folk Underground", 3) Mark Knopfler's "Rag Picker's Dream", 4) Kottke/Gordon's "Clone", 5) Sam Phillip's "Fan Dance", or either of Robert Earl Keen's last two disks, "Walking Distance" and "Gravitational Forces". Thanks. (Oh, and note that BMG is now carrying a lot of Lost Highway titles.)


Entered at Wed Apr 30 19:27:35 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: In the Georgia pines
Web: My link

Subject: Bottle of Wine

JQ: From my younger days, I remember some other California wines that sold for under $2 -- Thunderbird, Boone's Farm & Ripple. The problem was that they were so terrible you could have called them "two buck upchuck" (:-) Glad the inexpensive wines have changed with the times.

That reminds me that Danko/Andersen/Fjeld did a fine cover of the Tom Paxton folk classic, "Bottle of Wine", on the "Ridin' on the Blinds" album.

Check out link above to story on alternative radio in Atlanta.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 18:43:23 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Looks like John Trudell is playing at the Colony in Woodstock on 5/18... If anybody local goes please post or email me (dlzuck AT zucks.com) how it went... I am hoping to catch his show down the line closer to home... now I gotta get back to a household fighting off colds... btw, I hereby ammmmend my list to include Rockin' Chair, We Can Talk, etc,... because you are right, beautiful songs... oh, one more thing... a while back I mentioned a Zen Guitar book by Philip Toshio Sudo... well, it turns out all zen books aren't alike... this one has two Band quotes as head of chapters in it... (1) For chapter titled "Decide" it has Robbie saying "If it does right by the song, you've made the right decision." (2) For chapter titled "Balance" it has Rick saying "I tried to play in front of the beat in a way that didn't rush it, or behind the beat in a way that didn't drag it."... Sounds like musical calculus to me... I only give the book 4 stars though because it didn't have a chapter with a quote where Garth tells us how to plug the guitar into the rear end of some black box or piece of junk in order to ferret out some kind of primal ressonance to ail us while we pass the time... take care blokes and folks...


Entered at Wed Apr 30 18:31:14 CEST 2003 from 80-194-171-65.liv.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk (80.194.171.65)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ghosts

Empty Now - I can assure you as one who lived through it that the reasons for and the actualities of the 39 deaths at Heysel are rather more complex and horrific than stated in that brief link you posted. With respect I'm not sure The Band website is the place for it to be dealt with as it can only be a fleeting one and thus pays scant respect to the people involved. The tragic irony was that only when 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death at Hillsborough 4 years later did the full depth of the grief of the Italian people come home to Liverpudlians as we dealt with our own tragedy. In such respect we and they are no different to anybody else. What I can say as someone who was present at both is that even writing this little piece invokes real pain inside. I know you never mean any harm as you're such a good soul but just for me can you please not refer to it again. Thanks friend.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 18:18:02 CEST 2003 from dialup-64.156.155.240.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (64.156.155.240)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: 2-buck Chuck and bass on MDM

Is Levon the bass on Mystery Train? Who is playing bass on Saved?

While wine is a topic - We have a specialty type grocery store out here called Trader Joe's. They have been selling a line of wines from Charles Shaw: Cab, Merlot & Chardonnay for $1.99 a bottle. It's been a big deal here because of its quality (and value) - very drinkable altogether.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 18:06:14 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ronnie

Yes Fred, Ronnie did to a series for the CTV Network a number of years ago and yes Bev who was a member of his band was on the show along with many other great guest and "fiends" of Ronnie. Ian Tyson also did a show based out of the same studios (CFTO studios) situated in the east end of Toronto in Scarborough.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 17:28:05 CEST 2003 from m124-132.on.tac.net (209.202.124.132)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Fred: How does your family feel about Ajax? The fact that I was born in a town of that name often caused Europeans to doubletake when they looked at my documents. Also, though I never saw it (having been outside the country for most of the early '80s), I have seen references to a Hawkins TV series. I can't imagine it being anything other than hideous. As for Bev D'Angelo, I met her once, in the lounge at Dublin airport in '87. My wife and I sat beside another couple, who turned out to be Bev and then-flame Neil Jordan. Turned out that she and my wife had shared a house in Toronto years before, so they had fun getting caught up.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 17:15:48 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Fred/Wine

Fred, you are right about Chilean wines being good, but the agrochemical issue is a very real one and probably involves many more countries than Chile. They are just the ones I know about. We think it's great every time we ban some nasty pesticide stateside, but we don't stop and think about what we are importing. Not to say that the reverse isn't sometimes true as well. But there is some nasty stuff out there that you don't think about when you are at the grocery or wine store and especially with fresh produce/grapes. You can't just rinse some of this stuff off, and U.S. law, while banning use of some chemicals/pestides domestically, does not require labeling of food contaminated with these same things from being imported. I only know about the Chilean wine issue from friends at winetastings who are int organic wines, etc.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:51:58 CEST 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: Big Al Anderson

Charlie Young and David Powell: Al has been living quietly in Santa Fe for awhile now. He's not playing locally because he wants to keep a low profile, but Delbert McClinton persuaded him to come onstage for a few songs during a recent show at one of the Indian casinos, a benefit for the Imus Ranch. He sang a romantic ballad, made the girls swoon. And he's still pretty big....


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:46:55 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Empty: In my family (cousins, uncles, etc) nobody is a Juventus fan. We may all support different soccer clubs, but we are all bound by our anti-Juventus feelings!

JTull: all those chemicals in Chilean wine..that's what gives it that extra flavour!! (on a serious note, it's a shame they still practice that really....they make some nice affordable wines in Chile)


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:35:28 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Fred : agian crypto, Juliet – Urugay – Vaudoo – Echo ? i dont understand. I just reread the link, horrible, i was in the Heysel


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:28:39 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Empty Now: In my household "Juve" is a Four-lettered word, saying it will get one's mouth washed out with soap! : )


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:24:08 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

For some reason, this "whiskey & pot" cure for cancer strikes me as highly dubious. That's not to say that I'm not encouraged by the news that The Hawk is doing well....still.... stranger things do happen in life, I guess

Speaking of Ronnie Hawkins, didn't he have a TV show (CTV I think) back in the early '80s? I have this image,in my mind, of Beverly D'Angelo singing on the show (also Levon, too). Or did my fertile imagination make this up? Any fellow Canadians out there remember this programme?


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:20:21 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: R. B. Morris

Frank - R. B. Morris is a wonderful poet / songwriter and sometimes actor "The Man Who Lives Here Is Loony", (the turbulent life James Agee) Both men are natives of Knoxville, Tennessee .Morris performs his one-man show mixing his poetry with music, but recently has been focusing primarily on Nashville work. His influence, Southern writers, Dylan, certain Beat poets.. He worked on a literary magazine called "The Hard Knoxville Review" that was much apreciated by a cult following, including me. the song "Roy" is on his 1997 album "Take That Ride", it's probably available for purchase. He's quite a find indeed. I'm happy you're spending time with Waits. He did change my life ... I could tell you how but I guess this place is for Band stuff. Please call me Roz .. everyone else does.

Damn, I need sleep.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:15:24 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Just re-scrolled the GB : This is really a wonderful place

Jtull : Thanks for feedback

For those who are not informed about the Heysel Tragedy of 1985, check the link. I intended a cryptographic style to discuss with Al to not disturb the Football enemies in the GB.
After my last post, something amazing the title of the link page above in under the sonority of TNTDODD….TDTFD

I am impatient to read Mr Peter Viney reply…in priority for « American Stars and Bars » thread

Helena : Thanks for your posts


Entered at Wed Apr 30 16:07:04 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: RIchmond

Subject: Hawk Cancer Free

Wonderful news that reinforces my belief: Stay away from doctors, they will kill you!


Entered at Wed Apr 30 15:45:31 CEST 2003 from cdr27-205.accesscable.net (24.138.27.205)

Posted by:

JB

Location: Nova Scotia

Subject: HAWKINS CANCER FREE !

This is GREAT NEWS. Hawkins is a NATIONAL HERO right up there with Stompin Tom Conners. RIGHT ON RONNIE !-------------(from muchmoremusic.com: )--------------------"Ronnie Hawkins is miraculously cancer-free. Less than a year ago Hawkins was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and underwent several unsuccessful surgeries. The Rockabilly singer says his recovery is due to unconventional remedies, which included "whisky and pot". Hawkins tried all kinds of treatments including Indian recipes, but he isn't sure what cured him in the end. The Hawk has begun rehearsing again and his immediate plan is to get on the road for a mini-tour across Ontario this summer."


Entered at Wed Apr 30 15:40:58 CEST 2003 from (193.10.71.3)

Posted by:

Helena R.

Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Subject: Moondog Matinee credits

Peter and others!!! Thank you for answering. I guess that however precise one would like to be there are always some uncertaintys with details. But it´s fun trying to recognise a certain style of your favourite musician or producer. Peter: Concerning your work with the article I suppose it must have been very interesting comparing the songs to the originals. Again that´s my fascination about music and listening - how and why they choose a certain sound and a certain way of putting the song/the instruments and the whole album together. Sometimes pure coincidince - which makes it even more exciting. I would really like to discuss more but my kids are waiting. By for now and take care. //Helena


Entered at Wed Apr 30 14:52:25 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Empty Now's last post

Empty Now: I had a laugh over your last post and your GB name: Scotch, wine, beer, and it's all 'Empty Now'! For me, I had to give up beer last summer as it was starting to go to my gut, but I am happy to say that I can once again fit into my 'Life is a Carnival, Two Bits a Shot' Band tour shirt from '94 or so. IF I were to drink beer, it would be Boddington's from the U.K. For Scotch, Knockando, Talisker, or Glenmorange, and for wine, I tend to support the local Virginia Wineries, where there is a tremendous burgeoning wine industry and culture, or Autralian/New Zealand wines. I stay away from the Chileans, as they still use banned agrochemicals, such as ddt, etc., and it gets into the vintage.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 13:45:33 CEST 2003 from (212.31.242.98)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Tying things together

Roz: A place for music, and a place for all what concerns The Band

I titled one of my recent posts concerning The Band albums by a trade Mark of wine (a gift from God, as a suggestion to some friends GBers, whose I failed to send a bottle) . That’s not chauvinistic, we the Civilization of wine (Mediterranean) know that the oldier it is, the tastiest it can be. A better way to present earlier The band songs:

Generosity = To do your best to give the best of yourself from the beginning, That’s all The Band

The mention of Handsome Lake, Good Scotch and Beer, fit into the same topic and denotes the Beer Civilization (Germanic) majority in he GB, to be not chauvinistic I will mention other Gifts from God: “Gordon Christmas” the blue label beer from Scotland, and Carlsberg Olifan from Denmark. That’s all folks, “Wijn benaar Bier is plezier”

We Can Talk, that’s exactly the kind of idea I need in my vain effort to introduce The Band to some Bedouins here arround

Thank you all ….


Entered at Wed Apr 30 13:31:04 CEST 2003 from dial81-131-214-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com (81.131.214.179)

Posted by:

Frank Heatley

Subject: Roy

Rosilind ref Roy please be kind enough to let me know who wrote that song...very poignant, i guess we have all known a Roy in our time.......i know TOM WAITS figures prominently on your play list as a result i see myself looking for more of his stuff when i visit the Vigin Atlantic store during a selfish sourjourn to Belfast.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 13:02:40 CEST 2003 from (212.31.242.98)

Posted by:

Empty Now

I guess the first name of Platini is Michel. Replace by Roberto Rossi

Al: Bruce Grosbelaar was and remains the pride of the whole African Continent.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 12:58:21 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

Rosalind

Location: One Of My Favorite Songs

Subject: Roy

" Roy was a wino by the railroad warehouse
He worked for Bud Whippy doin' maintanance jobs
Just a comin' and a goin' in a green GMC
A bottle full o' troubles and a pocket full of keys

Hey buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin' We'll be home by tonite
Do ya like county music .. Hell it's come pretty far
I used to know Donnie Gibson before he as a star

He was layin' in the front seat as evenin' turned to day
Eleven days runnin'.. just wasted away
And once there was a family
A wife and a son
And forty years of tryin' before it was gone

Hey buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin'.. we'll be home by tonite
Do ya think you can learn me that flat-top guitar
I'm too old I reckin' but you could be a star

Now some folks are wealthy and some folks are poor
Some folks love money while some never care
Lord, Roy was just a drunk one drink at a time
And he never cared if you done the buyin'

Hey Buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin' we'll be home by tonite
Do ya like country music ... Hell it's come pretty far
I used to know Donnie Gibson
Before he was a star. "

That's what this place is for ain't it? Music ...


Entered at Wed Apr 30 12:27:48 CEST 2003 from spider-tr084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.214)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Yup, Dave, Brown Eyed Girl, How music makes you feel is what music is all about. That's the whole point of real music, making you feel. Guess music started with how it made the music maker feel, then spread out from there.

The marketing of music is whole nother deal, not a pleasant or pretty one at that, and it really is fucked, honestly. Yes Dave, tease away,I probably was high falutin on some polluted Brooklyn air when I flipped on that add. If it was the guy who put the promo together just taking the things he read and putting them together, that's cool. However, you don't know the likes of some of the reviewers who have been known to write reviews for the Woodstock Times and other Ulster county publications over the years. One of them really is an escapee, has certification papers and everything. Recently has returned to the area, after incarceration in various types of institutions tween here and Louisiana.Most recently institutionalized in a semi padded room in Kingston. Now on the loose.

So, that is why I bugged, and if someone high jacked my lines in their review, I really would not of wanted my writing and theirs to be confused. Sofisticated, no, not me, can't happen, I am too much of a jerk. High, not likely, foolutin, well, I guess so.


Entered at Wed Apr 30 12:02:20 CEST 2003 from (212.31.242.98)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: TNTDODD The Missing Link 2 – Livrpool FC – Desmond Morris - And we thought there’s nothing to add on The Band

Al Edge: Now i gonna love you more.

In the spring of 85, by May the 25th , i was near the Heyzel. It’s a time i remember oh so well. Stoneman’s Hooligans came and they tore up the tracks again. The game delayed during 2 hours. Back with my wife in the stadium, she called to me ‘Toef, quick come see, there goes Robert Platini”. Alexis Palotai, The referee refused a valid penalty to Ian Rush, gived an imaginary one to the Juve.

The night they lost 1-0, and all the people were singing
La la – la la la – la la la – la la la – la la la – la la la

The anthem of La Juve suppoters on the tune of “American Stars And Bars”

I regret that my word-processor dont allows the Music partitions. I hope that you are familiar with that tune.
We recently discussed the exegesis of TNTDODD to kingdom come, for the opera of Mr Ed Voci. Ed are you a Juve supporter ?. We didn’t evoked the tune following the chorus. Perhaps it’s a simple coincidence, i found a similarity with the air of “American Stars And Bars”. You can try an easy test with a simple Yamaha synthe. Starting from the tune in the chorus of TNTDODD, you double the tempo, if you filled some comma and, with a slight cyclic shift you will retrieve EXACTLY the air “American Stars And Bars”,

Perhaps the information is already available, Perhaps the topic is worth discussing again.

Peter, Al, Lars, David.....I rely on your feedback, PLEASE

Ed, we gonna insert the Reds and La Juve in you Opera ( or the inverse, We gonna tell the Heyzel drama for the future generations on the tune of TNTDODD )

Desmond Morris: “Football is a science, it's an art, it is war, ballet, drama, terror and joy all rolled into one.” ........Beautiful


Entered at Wed Apr 30 10:29:01 CEST 2003 from host213-122-111-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com (213.122.111.98)

Posted by:

Frank

Paul Godfrey many thanks for your kind post, i always enjoy the warmth and friendliness of your contributions, it does not surprise me that you are such a good friend to Levon,Ronnie and the rest of the guys.... it must be particularly difficult for people like yourself when we think of Rick and Richard....i,ll bet ya ol Beak is looking down and laughing like only he knew how to when he thinks of how soundly the good people of Stratford slept while the Canadian Militia kept the homefront safe and sound. God bless you brother...i,m giggling now when i recall a yarn Levon told me about the Hawk syphoning gas from a car outside some southern joint and having to play the next few gigs with chaffed lips............


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Posted by:

Frank Heatley

Subject: Roger

Roger Gerry Anderson yes i know off him, he is a native of Derry in N I reland who has a daily radio show...a funny witty sort, with a more mature listenership...Gerry actually played in a showband some years back...big showband scene in Ireland in the 60,s..most of it pretty brutal to listen too if i,m honest, i don,t remember this scene off course but so i am told. Gerry actually plays from time to time a fair bit of Robbie,s solo work and also is affectionate for The Band...i,m not totally sure but i think he may have actually played in one of Ronnie Hawkins many versions of The Hawks...it,s nice to see everybody talking about The Band again, well mostly.My only experience of seeing The BAND myself was back in 96 in Dublin[i,m sure Peter Viney has reviewed this concert in an earlier post] if i,m honest it was,nt a stellar peformance Rick was not feeling terribly well and there were sound problems..i caught the friday night show, they actually stayed on for another night and by all accounts the saturday night was a much better representation of the boys talent...although i,ll never forget how i felt when i saw Levon crouching behind his kit, Rick strapping on his base and Garth ''the master'' displaying all his old world wisdom. anyway time now for the third coffee of the day. ''take it to church Mavis''


Entered at Wed Apr 30 09:41:24 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.84)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: Name That Year / John Martyn

Trivia Challenge: OK,,, This post may not be not directly Band related, but at least it's about music! (hey,hey! :-). I'm sure that most of you who have been around here a while know that I'm a huge fan of Peter Stampfel, the Holy Modal Rounders, The Bottle Caps, and all their spin-offs. Well,,, Peter is recording an album of 100 pop songs, one for each year of the 20th century. He has managed to record almost a third of the hundred songs in ten days on his recent trip to New Orleans (see the list below). Question... Can you put a year on these songs?

1. I Love You Truly
2. Ida
3. Toyland
4. Take Me Out to the Ballgame
5. Ace in the Hole
6. Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life
7. Put Your Arms Around Me Honey
8. By the Sea
9. Row Row Row
10. They Didn't Believe Me
11. Poor Butterfly
12. Oh, Look at me Now
13. Stumblin' Around
14. Bubbles
15. Til We Meet Again
16. Swinging Down the Lane
17. Let the Rest of the World Go By
18. Look for the Silver Lining
19. East of the Sun
20. Moonglow
21. Home
22. Who
23. My Ideal
24. The Way You Look Tonight
25. Where or When
26. How are Things in Glocca Morra
27. Hearts Made of Stone
28. Rave On
29. Along Comes Mary
30. Blue Skies
31. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

A plug from Peter's manager,,, "I've heard them a few times, and I think the songs are just wonderful. If you're a fan of 'You Must Remember This', you'll just go nuts. These are for the most part "user-friendly" rather than "caterwauling" as far as vocal style (Peter's descriptions, not mine); the slower standards are, for the most part, sung sweetly. Producer Mark Bingham has, as usual, assembled some kick-ass N'awlins folks to play on this. This is one of those albums -- of course, this is only 1/3 of the whole project, but it's as long as most regular albums -- where I think I'm going to have a different favorite song every week or so. "Moonglow" is this week's winner, with "The Way You Look Tonight" and "Where or When" and "Blue Skies" and "Ah Sweet Mystery of Life" and "Rave On" right up behind it. (Peter's "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" has been a personal favorite of mine for eons and eons and eons, and this is a great recording of it.)" - Jen

OK, Band connection with Peter Stampfel would be that the Holy Modal Rounders (along with Sam Shepard on drums) and the Band both appear on the Easy Rider soundtrack.

John Martyn: Someone mentioned John Martyn lately,,, the link above will take you to an update on his curent situation. I hope everyone will wish him speedy recovery...


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Posted by:

crow

Location: the left
Web: My link

Subject: cancers

just a short note to say that I do not have any cancer (that I know about). As a guitarist, it's always an honor to be mistaken for Mike Dimicco, but maybe not in this case...I hope he'll be around for (at least) the rest of my days - I can use the inspiration. Thanks for the positive comments. Be nice to each other!

jim eppard


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Daniel Lanois: "It's a lovely thing when you can elevate somebody's spirit....."


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

First off Jeff, I think what you wrote about Garth was really cool... and I too feel lucky to have seen the show... but I wouldn't worry about the rest... When I read the press release I just assumed the guy who wrote the press release reads this GB... saw your nice lines and wa-la you get to bring some measure of credibility to this GB (can we tease you now? and call you high falutin' or sofisticated?).... btw, Maud did a nice design job... and hopefully we will see a new T-shirt somewhere down the road?... with maybe a flying squirrel on the sleeve or something... I wear the pheasant one so much it's just about worn out...

Anyway, these are depressing times... I just got an email from my sis who will be attending furnerals for her friends who gave their lives for the country... countries... and I feel so removed... and I picked up on what BEG said about feeling the music... I sometimes think it's better to hear it and make it part of your life's background music before reading somewhere what it's all about... For me, Lanois's Shine is gonna be like that... right now I don't know what to make of it... so I don't even try to remember the words,,, but am rather letting it seep into my being... later on I may tune in to the marketing of it and maybe appreciate it on a different level... but for me and especially as it relates to the Band... I am glad I had all these misconceptions, mistaken knowledge of lyrics, etc,... and then later found out more from this site... anyway... cool lines again Jeff... btw, great to hear all these first hand accounts of stories too... thanks all...


Entered at Wed Apr 30 05:49:07 CEST 2003 from 20.41.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.41.20)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: walking the walk


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Plagiarism

On the day after seeing Garth's show in Woodstock, I posted about the show. I did use the name Alex, and shortly afterwards I did reveal that indeed Schmuckalovich, Schmendrick, Alex ( a dead give away incidentally), and PutEmUp, were all me. And honestly, I never took pains to hide that, nor did I post under more than one name on the same subject at the same time. Shortly after the Garth show, I revealed my identity in the midst of a heated political battle. Anyway the point of all this is that someone apparently has hijacked my following description of Garth, which appeared in my post (March9th I believe is the date):"Garth is a rare genius, sounds that are not available to many people are available to him." okay , so somebody apparently plagiarized me. I am a big boy, but that sucks. Glad to write anything great about Garth, and nice that it adds a little appeal to his publicity.Not that Garth needs help. He has all the musical appeal in the world.

Apparently someone wrote a review somewhere and used my line in their review. It now is appearing in the ad for Garth's show, which can be viewed in this website's What's New section, and is credited to an unknown reviewer, who might have been named in the original article he or she wrote somewhere. Mainly I do not want anyone who reads this other persons review somewhere to think I wrote it. It does not appear that well written, and I would not want credit for it. And would not want anyone to think I am writing under other names. PutEmUp(Jeff) I shall remain.


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Posted by:

Sheila

Location: Fayetteville, AR

Yes, BEG, I agree, Levon in The Weight is priceless. But Levon in The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down is so wonderful too! He was Virgil Cain in that song. That voice made that period in time come alive for me.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I'm listening to "Big Pink" tonight. It was Richard's voice that resonated the most with me.....probably because I grew up with soul music.....But as soon as "The Weight" came on....Levon was the chosen one....Some say "The Weight" was written for Levon....Some say it was written with The Staple Singers in mind.....Some say nothing.....and just listen.....

As Dylan said to Larry "Ratso" Sloman....It's more important how the MUSIC MAKES YOU FEEEL.....How does it make you FEEEL?


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Hawk and finding Little treasures

I took a little time off today to make a swing off the thrift store circuit, and decided to go a little more south that I usually go. In a store just north of Akron Ohio I found the 1968 Ronnie Hawkins album, Vinyl of course, in great condition for .60. I'm telling you what, it is the simple things that make life worth living. The Hawk just never got his due, this is a pretty good album.


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Posted by:

Harpo

Subject: Old Time Religion

does anyone know if its possible to get the version of Old Time Religion off the Last Waltz? if anyone knows, email me here: harportcw@hotmail.com


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: The Band

I recently commented that there was not much more new to say about The Band. The last couple of days have proven me wrong, the Band fan seems to be a special type of person who will bring out the best in the Band, and therefore the best in this guestbook. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

One song that seldom appears in anybody's "top ten" is "When You Awake." Rick Danko sang lead and I find it very hard to sing along with, personally. I was talking to a Band member one day and I mentioned that Rick's range wasn't what it used to be (this was in the mid-90's). He kind of smiled and said, "YOU try singing it." I did....didn't have the range. I then realised that a lot of what Rick was singing was INCREDIBLY hard to pull off. Singing one Band song might be like skating a "figure -8" but Rick was out there trying to do "triple-axles." If you saw him perform in his later years, you might have noticed he was straining to hit some notes and not always succeeding. But he was straining during a difficult song to sing. The same Band member said that Rick used to try to get the group's vocals to have a certain "ring" to them. And nobody could put harmony to that "ring" like Ricky. "When You Awake" has that ring and one person I know said it was like doing vocal acrobatics.

One time at a bbq Randy looked over at me and said "Do Blind Willie McTell." I lied and said I wasn't that familiar with that song, but he insisted. When it was over, we went over for a beer and Randy said, "Well...at least you got the lyrics right." It was a "Danko" song and the truth is I knew I couldn't sing it.

But there are people who CAN pull it off. Go listen to Jimmy Eppard some night and you'll see a real singer, a real musician. I asked him to put a Band song in during one of his sets. I figured I'd get something like "The Weight" or one of their easier songs. Jimm sang "King Harvest" and did a great job with it.

So The Band lives on after all. Long live The Band.


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: Frank

Frank, missed the sausage story. You know I love the BAND music, but whether its The Hawk or Levon - "I especially like to hear them TALK!" some of my best memories come from sitting around at a hotel after a show and just listening to the jokes, anecdotes, stories or as Ronnie would say: "The Lies Son!" Oh how we would laugh and carry on. Those sessions were just as much fun or more than the show. Re Richard & Militia. More than once we laughed about our time with the "Saturday Night Soldiers" as we called the Canadian Army Reserve 'Militia' Levon used to tell a story about a Bramma (sp) Bull. I always loved the down to earth just homespun yarns, much the same as I grew up with as a young boy.

We got a little of that kind of experience during the interview sections of TLW. Try on 4 or 5 beer or a couple of shots of Good Scotch or your favorite beverage and listen again to those closeups of the Boys and its a whole lot funnier.

I really do treasure the parts with Richard & Ricky.

Thank you Frank

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: afterthought

Plus it's got Canada in it!


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Posted by:

JumpinJim

Location: Minnesnapolis
Web: My link

Subject: High art

There’s a famous story about the Silver Elvis painting that Andy Warhol gave Bob Dylan.

In his Diaries, Warhol records the following:

Oct. 77 – Albert Grossman, who used to manage Dylan, told me again that *he* has my silver Elvis, but I don’t understand that, because I gave it to Dylan, so how would Grossman get it?

May 11, 1978 – Robbie [Robertson] said he knew me from the Dylan days. I asked him whatever happened to the Elvis painting that I gave Dylan because every time I run into Dylan's manager Albert Grossman he says *he* has it, and Robbie said that at some point Dylan traded it to Grossman for a *couch* (laughs). He felt he needed a little sofa and he gave him the Elvis for it. It must have been in his drug days. So that was an expensive couch.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 23:52:39 CEST 2003 from gpf-t199.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.199)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: I'm with Wittgenstein

Picking ten is too hard at the moment, but "We Can Talk" and "King Harvest" are battling for the #1 position....

I've often thought this might be the best tune to introduce someone to The Band: top lyric, top tune, top arrangement, top playing from everyone on the "default lineup" (yes?) and the most extreme yet perfect execution of the signature multi-voice style. Plus it just sounds like everybody's having a blast.


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Posted by:

John W.

Time To Kill. Get Up Jake. Shape I'm In. The Weight. Caledonia Misson. Wheel's on Fire. Shootout in Chinatown. The Promised Land. Willie McTell. Blue Stay Away From Me.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 21:01:48 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Franko: Thanks for answering my post. We need to put that cd on this site somewhere.

Regarding this upcoming box set, I'm not sure if they have much in the way of unreleased material. The majority of it was released on the reissues. We'll see.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Shrines we can talk about now

EN - my shrine is Anfield Road. Been going there since '57 It's where my heart will always be. It's my bit of paradise here on earth. Old Trafford is someone else's.

Witty - spot on man - I was going to say exactly the same myself. For me it is what they were all about. In fact if I can find it I'm going to dig out the post I did on it and stick it up.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 20:55:03 CEST 2003 from wwwcache4.uce.ac.uk (193.60.131.9)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Brum UK

Subject: Frank

Frank, I always enjoy your stories about Levon and Woodstock. There's an Irish broadcaster called Gerry Anderson who occasionally hosts programmes on Radio 4 over this side of the Irish Sea. I heard him interviewed once and he talked about living in Woodstock in the late 60s when Dylan and The Band were his neighbours. He sort of gave the impression he hung about with rock stars. Do you know him?


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: Favorite Band songs

I don't understand how "We Can Talk About It Now" doesn't make everyone's top ten list. It is the song that first grabbed me way back then. In fact, all of side 2 of that first amazing album, but that one was the charm. We can talk about "We Can Talk About It Now" now........


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Posted by:

Narwhal

Location: Boston (now)

The way Richard always sang--as if one note away from death; the thunder in Levon's voice, and the montain-lion skulk of his drums; all of Rick's demons, and the lovely little boy inside him, made Robbie's stories real--and ethereal. Garth made sure it all played.....righteous.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: The Code of Handsome Lake

Many thanks Pehr and John W...but you know capitalism is the only real threat to free enterprise in today' s world..

Why doesn' t anybody mention Acadian Driftwood and Country Boy, two of my real favorites?

Just a while ago my favorite international radio station Airos (look at the web site) played Robbie' s The Code of Handsome Lake. That song made me try to find anything about Handsome Lake, the Seneca prophet. I ordered an old book (originally published 1913, reprinted 1990) by A.C. Parker about the great man.As an addiction professional and recovering alcoholic the story of Handsome Lake is fascinating to me. He was a miserable alcoholic, who got spiritual awakening, sobered up, became a healer, a well-respected prophet and religous teacher. Without Robbie' s great song I may have never heard the exceptional man..


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: The land of « Coteaux du Zaccar », the world finest wine

Subject: Top 5 Albums

It could not interest anybody, i propose my best The Band albums just to express that it is not so easy to be an idiot

1 – Music from Big Pink
2 – The Brown Album
3 - Stage Fright
4 – Rock of Ages
5 – Islands

Good night every body


Entered at Tue Apr 29 18:45:29 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Blues on B.O.B.

Thanks John for the preview -- I'm waiting to see if Telarc releases a SACD version since they do such a good job with their DSD recordings.

Picked up the DVD video of "Standing In The Shadows of Motown" and it's very, very good. Widescreen/surround sound & an extra disc full of bonus materials.


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Posted by:

franko

Location: boston

Subject: starbucks

Bones - the Sheryl Crow Starbucks CD includes The Weight (w/the Staples) from TLW.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: "Blues On Blonde On Blonde" For David Powell

I just picked up "Blues On Blonde On Blonde." In other words some great blues and zydeco folks playing Mr. Dylan. It's on the Telarc label and many of the tracks are blowing me away. #1 for me is is the great C.J. Chenier. David Powell I didn't think anyone could make me jump on and dance to Absolutely Sweet Marie again. It's a perfect zydeco tune and it rocks. C.J. blows me away. Walter Trout doing Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat. Sue Foley doing Most Likely You Go Your Way. Check it our Dylan fans. I didn't like all the interpretations; but it's one of the better tribute albums and what a classic album to choose.

I put in a link to some sound samples. Hope it works


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Posted by:

Marshall Weathersby

Location: Juneau, Alaska

Subject: Heat

You guys are tight. It's so cold up here that your music is the only heat we have. "Chest Fever", the name just makes me warm. Keep it up Robbie.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 16:27:29 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Al Anderson & Tom Waits

Charlie: Recently I was watching CMT's live broadcast of the Grand Ole Opry and Vince Gill performed that song. Behind him onstage, I spotted Mr. Anderson wailing away on an old Tele. One of my favorite songs that he used to perform with NRBQ was a dynamite version of Johnny Cash's "Get Rhythm". A week or so ago, on Turner South's "Live from the Bluebird Cafe", he performed many of the songs he's written since settling down in Nashville.

Forgot to mention in my previous post that Tom Waits is one of the other featured performers on "Stay Awake". He does a distinctively Waits take on "Heigh Ho" (The Dwarfs Marching Song). Picture Mr. Waits as the eighth, gin-soaked dwarf!


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Big" Al Anderson

While on the road down in the country music belt of Virginia last week, I happened to catch a glimpse of a Vince Gill video for a song called "The Next Big Thing" and spotted a familiar-looking guitarist in the background. After a couple of minutes I realized it was former NRBQ lead guitarist, "Big Al Anderson," but looking like he'd lost about a hundred pounds. I guess we need to start calling him "Not So Big" Al Anderson.

Anyway I did some research on Al Anderson and realized how much his decision to leave the road life (sound familiar?) has agreed with him. He has written a bunch of very successful songs and worked with most of the better cats in Nashville since he left NRBQ. I have one of his solo albums and it's not bad at all. Good for Al.

Oh, and I love that NRBQ version of "Whistle While You Work."


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia on my mind

Subject: Shake, Rattle & Roll

After reading sadavid's post yesterday about hearing Garth's "Feed The Birds", I realized that I hadn't listened to that "Stay Awake" album in quite some time. Early this morning, before catching the train to work, I played the LP version, subtitled: "Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films", & produced by Hal Wilner.

The album is arranged into medleys, and Garth's "Feed The Birds" (from Mary Poppins), opens the "All Innocent Children Had Better Beware" medley, the first cut on side 2 of the LP (or cut 7 on the CD). Garth weaves his magic on keyboards, synthesizers & accordion, accompanied by Jorge Mirkin on harmonica, Jay Rubin on cymbals & Steve Deutch with Macintosh sequencing/performance software. About 4:16 into the medley, it segues nicely into NRBQ's unique version of "Whistle While You Work" (from Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs), featuring a brief but oh-so exquisite guitar solo from "Big" Al Anderson.

The medley finnishes beautifully with Betty Carter on "I'm Wishing" (from Snow White...), "Cruella DeVille" (from 101 Dalmations) by The Replacements and "Dumbo And Timothy" (from Dumbo) performed by Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz. Next, Sinead O'Connor with Andy Rourke perform "Someday My Prince Will Come" (from Snow White...), a cut recorded at Bearsville Studios.

Side 2 of the LP closes with two more medleys, comprised of songs performed by Sun Ra & His Arkestra, Harry Nilsson, James Taylor, Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz again (with Ken Nordine) and Ringo Starr with Herb Alpert.

This morning, around 5:00, while listening to "Stay Awake", Sun Ra & His Arkestra had just started into "Pink Elephants On Parade" when, all of a sudden, the windows began to rattle & I felt the house shake for about 15 seconds. Realizing that it wasn't the effects of that second cup of strong coffee I'd brewed, I turned on the radio & the news report confirmed that an earthquake had just rolled through Georgia like a modern day stampede of Stoneman's cavalry. The quake, measuring 4.9, was centered just across the Alabama line at Fort Payne. Bemused at the news, I suddenly recalled that Sun Ra from Saturn, in his previous life, had been born Herman P. Blount in Alabama. I could almost hear him laughing up there in the heavens, aboard Rocket #9. (:-)


Entered at Tue Apr 29 14:20:28 CEST 2003 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Top 10 Band tunes

1. King Harvest

2. Atlantic City

3. Rockin Chair

4. Blind Willie Mctell

5. Caladonia Mission

6. Remedy

7. Don't Do It

8.Shape I'm In

9. Caves of Jerico

10. Life is a Carnaval..


Entered at Tue Apr 29 13:09:02 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Al Edge

I mean Al, not Ed, I often made this mistake, sorry


Entered at Tue Apr 29 13:05:36 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

The Band page in the site of Capitol Records, contains a link to this site (this is evident), with a notice (not evident) that retained my attention:

ULTIMATE FAN SITE
Although not the official Band site, theband.hiof.no has been acknowledged and accepted by members of The Band and by their management and collaborators

Ed : Thanks…Are you Anfield Road or Old Trafford….I’m a little bit Heyzel (innocently)…I remember Bruce (from Zimbabwe) and Ian (form Wales)…You’ll never walk alone…this anthem has a deep and strange beauty.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Frank Heatley

Thank you for sharing. Personal accounts of The Band "Experience" are the loveliest part of this GB. IMHO



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Posted by:

Frank Heatley

Tenuous at best, but does anyone know the link between The Band and Andre Friedmann [Robert Capa]...sorry just being pretentious using Capa birth name, i know it dos,nt suit me. Rick Danko, God rest him absolutely loved a particular type of sausage unique to Levons part of Arkansas...and Richard Manuel as a young man was a member of the Stratford youngmens militai[wrong term but Canadian form of the home guard] he use to patrol with his friends ensuring all was well in that part of the woods...someone like Paul Godfrey can give us the precise name of the body i am hamfistedly referring to]you wanna hear Levon laugh at that one...my previous reference to Garth, i was only enthusing that he was ''careful'' with his money. At the end of next month the Warrenpoint Blues on the Bay fest starts and headlining it is none other than Peter Green, coincidence given the amount of refereces there has been to Peter recently....its unlikely but one day i love if our blues community could lay out the welcome mat for you know who and the Barnburner,s ...how about it Butch. all you GBers up there in the Woodstock / mountains area do you ever hear anything about or from that group of young cats[originaly from N J but now craving fresh air and clear streams] The Applepicker,s Union ......being a fully paid up member of te ratrace[with the neurosis to prove it] it was heartening to see people who were so laid back. anyway the first task of the day beckons and i must meet it with my customery enthusiasm ... yeah right.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 08:28:45 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

If we were to hold a Surivor-stlye competition related to songs in The Band repertoire, which would be the first song voted off the island (not to be confused with "Islands")? My vote: The Moon Struck One (and I know I'm not the only one with this sentiment!)


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Posted by:

dz agin

Location: goodnight

Subject: the kids are all sick in my bed "Band Favs" list

Today's favs:
1. All You Have To Do Is Dream
2. Ferdinand The Imposter
3. Genetic Method/Chest Fever
4. Bessie Smith
5. Whispering Pines
6. Yazoo Street Scandal
7. Unfaithful Servant
8. It Makes No Difference
9. Stage Fright
10. Don't Do It

I bet it would be tough for Letterman's band to come up with a Top 10 Fav List of Band songs that they could all agree on? What is the magical number where you don't feel like any essentials are left off? And when are my kids gonna get over these damn colds and get out of my bed!!!


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Subject: "Half Full or Half Empty" Band List

1. Greensleeves
2. The Third Man Theme
3. Theme From The Last Waltz
4. French Girls
5. Even A Tomato
6. Instrumental I (Crossing The Great Divide)
7. Mad Waltz
8. The Genetic Method
9. Crosswind Jamboree
10. TLW Jams 1 & 2


Entered at Tue Apr 29 07:11:21 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: About Garth Hudson

"Classically trained and globally schooled...a talent defying categorization"........sums it up rather nicely, don't you think?


Entered at Tue Apr 29 06:16:58 CEST 2003 from ptnm-sh6-port181.snet.net (204.60.19.181)

Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Top Ten Live Tracks

This could be considered a bit of a "cop-out," as live performances frequently focus on tunes that have already been proven to be popular, but here goes.
I should add that most of these would make my top ten studio list as well. This was more difficult (and fun) than I thought it would be!


From Rock of Ages:

1. Don't Do It
2. Caledonia Mission
3. Across The Great Divide
4. Life Is A Carnival
5. Rockin' Chair

From The Last Waltz:

6. Up On Cripple Creek
7. The Weight* (Band version from actual show)
8. This Wheels On Fire
9. Mystery Train
10. Dixie

*While I love the version of the Weight with the Staples singers, I don't believe that it is actually "live," and I prefer the version from the concert. I think that I have read somewhere that Levon didn't think that the tune was done well at the actual concert, and that this was one of the reasons that they did a version with the Staples Singers. I feel that the live version crackles with energy, and for me is second only to the Big Pink version. I thought that I had heard in "TLW" DVD commentary that the reason that the version of "The Weight" from the concert wasn't used was that they were changing film reels, and didn't quite get the cameras back up in time.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

It was in Howard Sounes book on Dylan that I discovered that Shirley Marlin Noznisky from Wilmington, Delaware became Sara Lownds after she married photographer Hans Lownds.....Later of course she married Zimmerman/Dylan.....So instead of "Sara" it could have been "Shirley"....

I can still hear the sounds of those Methodist bells
I'd taken the cure and had just gotten through
Stayin' up for days in the Chelsea Hotel
Writin' "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" for you

Shirley, oh Shirley
Wherever we travel we're never apart
Shirley, oh Shirley
Beautiful lady, so dear to my heart

Ah...The power of words. Apparently this song helped Bob....He was forgiven once again....for his "transgressions"....

Dylan also sings about a marketplace in Savanna-la-Mar.....and drinkin' white rum in a Portugal bar...I always thought it was a town that I visited in Jamaica....I remember a great spice factory there.....

Sounes on Sara.....They were never close after the divorce. Sara lived alone after the children grew up, suffering from ill health and becoming something of a recluse.....

Years later Jakob Dylan and The Wallflowers would make a video in NYC where they were also hanging out in this very same Hotel.....My fave...."6th Avenue Heartache".....


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Posted by:

Sheila

Location: Fayetteville, AR

Subject: Everyone's top 10

I'm gonna jump on the Bandwagon with my top 10. And believe me, this was hard... 1. Jemima Surrender - such a groovy little ditty, don't ya think? 2. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down 3. Rag Mama Rag 4. The Weight - I know who Crazy Chester is!! He's from Fayetteville! 5. Ophelia 6. It Makes No Difference - Rick Danko's vocals on this in TLW DVD make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. 7. Don't Do It 8. Evangeline 9. Up On Cripple Creek 10. The Shape I'm In - I love the sound of Richard Manuel on this. Bless his heart, he probably had used 7 of his 9 lives when he sang this song. I hope he finally found peace. Anyway, there it is! I love following the posts that all of you leave. ...And to all, A Good Night!


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Posted by:

Ray again

Subject: and then I realized...

I didn't have enough Rick on my list, so I did this one...that's the problem with lists...

1. Caledonia Mission

2. Unfaithful Servant

3. Thinkin' Out Loud

4. Volcano

5. Crying Heart Blues

6. Ripple

7. Java Blues

8. You Can Go Home

9. People of Conscience

10. Blaze of Glory



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Posted by:

Ray Pence

following some other folks here I experimented with a top 10 list, trying to avoid songs that show up on greatest hits and other compilations...maybe I'll put it on a homemade CD to hear what the chemistry is like...

1. In a Station

2. Lonesome Suzie

3. Whispering Pines

4. Jawbone

5. The Rumor

6. Smoke Signal

7. River Hymn

8. Share Your Love

9. Forbidden Fruit

10. Christmas Must Be Tonight



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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Chelsea Hotel

I just wanted to clarify something in my last post: I was living in the same neighborhood as the Chelsea Hotel in 1980, when Tom Waits lived there, not in 1966 when Dylan wrote "Sad-Eyed Lady" there. I'm old but not THAT old...


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Charlie, let me amend that to mean a musical distance.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Tom Waits For No Man...

Actually, Pat, one link to The Band is that circa 1980 Tom Waits was living on West 23rd Street in Manhattan's legendary literary landmark, the Chelsea Hotel. Bob Dylan was hanging out there in 1966 when he wrote "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" about Sarah Lowndes (that last name must have inspired the use of lowlands, huh?). I was living on West 24th in the much-less-fashionable London Terrace Apartments at the time, but the Chelsea Hotel is an eeriely timeless place.

Another link between Waits and The Band would be the John Hammond, Jr. connection. Hammond recorded an excellent collection of Waits songs a couple of years or so ago and it is haunting to say the least. Hammond has had an amazing but quiet career--much like his father, the man who signed Bob Dylan to Columbia Records over four decades ago.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

As much as I enjoy Tom Waits every now and then, I can't think of many singer/songwriters further away from the Band than him.

Lil, you are on to something. Hopefully, the darkness will pass as it usually does.


Entered at Tue Apr 29 04:06:42 CEST 2003 from mcha-ai159.taconic.net (205.231.28.159)

Posted by:

Lil

It's getting so I don't hardly recognize this place anymore.. but wanted to say thanks to Dexy for the link to that great Jim Weider article.

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Amen

Amen to that ...



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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Tom Waits Changed My Life

..If you chew tabacco
And wish upon a star
Find out where the scarecrows sit
Just like punch-lines between the cars
I know a place where royal flush
Never beat a pair
Even Thomas Jefferson
Is on the Nickel over there

So ring round the rosie ... You're sleepin' in the rain
You're always late for supper
Man you let me, ya let me down again
I thought heard a mockin' bird
Rosevelt knows where
Just skip the line with Grady Tuck
On the Nickel over there

So what becomes of all the little boys
Who run away from home
The world just keeps get-tin bigger
Once you get out on your own
So here's to all the little boys
The Sand-man takes you where
You're sleepin' with the pillowman
On the nickel over there

So climb up through that button hole
And fall right up the stairs
I'll show you where the shark-dogs grow
On the Nickel over there..

- Tom Waits -


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Waits

Children are playing
At the end of the day
Strangers are singing
On our lawn
It's got to be more
Than flesh and bone
All that you're loved
Is all you own.

Waits

To sleep per chance to dream ...

Puck;

My mistress with a monster is in love.
Near to her close and consecrated bower,
While she was in her dull and sleeping hour,
A crew of patches, rude mechanicals,
That work for bread upon Athenian stalls,
Were met together to rehearse a play
Intended for great Theseus' nuptial-day.

W.S.



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Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Nice Weider interview

April 23. Lots of Band content -- see link above.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Tiny Monster - The Jury's still out. Wait's picks good folks tho.

Don't fuck with Jerry! A puffed-up, college-educated, self-important deliberatly detached ass like most of you he's not, but he's a damned good friend. And when it comes right down to the bone, that's all there is and there ain't no more. Nobody fucks with my friends. It took me too long to find them!


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... ? ...

I hope that wasn't you I saw running across the street as I walked up the other day? ... Was it?

Say it ain't so Roz ...
You're my last hope Hon ...

... ~ ; ^ ) ~


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Burnin' Down The House

I woke up this mornin
With an attitude
Looked at the headlines
Put me in a real bad mood

Writing is a very very personal thing. It exposes hidden agenda, needs, ego, dark sides of personalities that are maybe not so evident in people's day to day living. I have found that this place is full of people I would cross a street to avoid and you could count the folks with actual heart on one hand. I know because I have.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 23:37:44 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Charlie Young: You're right to be cautious. Even Billy Mundi was careful not to claim that he's on the released versions of any of those songs - and in fact wouldn't hazard a guess until he'd heard them again. In his favour is the general acknowledgement that he gets on the MM album, and the audible evidence of two drummers on "Mystery Train" - not that it couldn't've been a doubletracked Levon or Levon+Richard or Levon+Robbie or ...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Mundi Monday & TLW Warps

That's interesting about Billy Mundi remembering playing on three tracks from "Moondog," but how can he be sure that those tracks were released? Isn't all this stuff documented on tape boxes somewhere. I know that Capitol was pretty good with Beatles and Beach Boys documentation and archives, so I hope that the same was true with The Band. We thought there were no outtakes in the vaults for years until Capitol sprung those great reissue bonus tracks on us (more PLEASE!). The same happened recently with the Lovin' Spoonful catalog. Thank God for packrats and archivists everywhere.

JTull Fan: my copy of the TLW four-disc set is unwarped, but I have it protected inside an archival comic book sleeve, standing upright on a bookshelf and sandwiched between other sets in the same format. As a collector of old books, I know the problem of warping all too well and it can happen even in a home with low humidity if the material is of a certain composition and it is not stored carefully. Some books that are designed as "coffee table" books are made of materials to withstand the conditions that cause warping when exposed to open air and humidity--and that's why an Abrams or Rizzoli art book can cost quite a bit. For what the TLW set costs, it shouldn't be warping so soon, though, and I think you should notify Warner Music or the place where you bought the set.


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Posted by:

Gene

Freddie Couples - gotta love that guy!


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Christine McVie

Peter V: You're showing your age I'm afraid by calling her Christine Perfect. I think she has been McVie for over 30 year now. I liked that old Christine Perfect album, but I liked her early work with Fleetwood Mac even better. "Why" (Mystery To Me), "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Same), "Spare Me A Little" (Bare Trees) are all great tunes. She did a nice job keeping Buckingham melodic. Left on his own, Lindsey's music could get a little strange. It was good for him to have Nicks and McVie reign him in from time to time. The reverse of that is true as well. His brilliance really get that group a special spice that they needed.

I've been told that Sheryl Crow has done one of those Artist's Choice cds for Starbucks that has the Band on it. Anyone seen this?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Moondog credits

Helena – my Moondog Matinee article predates the remasters sleeve notes by Rob Bowman by a good while, and I’d consider his version of events to be superior to my mine because he had the inside track – though he does quote me, much to my pleasure. Though not directly on how some songs post-date The Hawks, so couldn’t have been in their stage act. At this point, I can’t recall my sources, though I will have them written down somewhere. None of my accreditations were ‘opinions’ in that they’d all come from some other written source. Rob Bowman’s source for his notes would have been Robbie Robertson, to which of course I’ll bow without question. I haven’t had time to update in the light of the remaster notes though I suppose I should. I will stick by my credit of Rick singing Holy Cow (source: Rick Danko). I thought the source for what Levon played bass on was Levon’s book, but I haven’tv checked tonight. I always enjoyed seeing Levon playing bass live too. He always got into it.

On ‘A Change is Gonna Come’ my article credits Richard with drums, as you say, and Levon with bass. And Rick with lead vocal & rhythm guitar. The source for this was Hidecki’s site in Japan and I said “Levon mentions his other bass parts, but not this one.” I also said, “Levon is adamant that he played bass guitar on two numbers.” One is definitely ‘Mystery train’ and Hidecki has the other as ‘Change is Gonna Come.’


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Posted by:

Sofus

Subject: Buffalo/nickel

You are surely right. i wasn't sitting with the book in front of me, and I don't have too good knowledge of American change


Entered at Mon Apr 28 22:02:53 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Bill

If you're talking US currency, I think you'd have to squeeze a nickel to get the buffalo to shit.


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Posted by:

Sofus

Subject: Squeezing a dollar so hard the buffalo would shit...

Was it Garth that was cheap? According to Levon's book, the Hawk said that Will "Pop" Jones was so incredibly cheap "he could squeeze a dollar so hard the buffalo would shit".... But about Garth being cheap? These stories are probably so old, that they change every time they get told. Some of the best Band songs King Harvest The Weight Daniel And The Sacred Harp Jemimah Surrender Ophelia Jupiter Hollow Knockin' Lost John Caledonia Mission Mystery Train And Richard deluxe: Whispering Pines In a Station And all of the other songs......


Entered at Mon Apr 28 21:55:37 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: TLW Box set

Has anyone else had this problem with the TLW Box set? Given its' non-standard packaging, rather than shove it into a bookshelve somewhere, I thought it would make an excellent coffee-table conversation piece in our den, and a nice counterpoint to my wife's sorority photo-albums, Southern Living, etc. But shortly after, the cover started to warp upwards, and having flipped it to reverse the process, the same has happened to the back cover. It is at the point that I am about to remove the cd's and place them in jewel cases to protect them, but I am pretty dissappointed at the condition of the packaging. Richmond might be humid but my house has central air and is always in the 68-70 degree range and dry, so I am puzzled.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Al Edge: How right you are. Except that, given those alternatives, I'm inclined to stick with the blessed emu.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: GREEN Manalishis

Been a bit too pre-occupied lately to do anything other than glance down but delighted to see you're back on Empty Now. God be with you.

Re Peter Green I've kept a post I put up last year which got sort of passed over but I think it's a fine debate for anyone interested.

BTW I should point out that the analogy I use - football[soccer] player - is to distinguish between a god-given talent {George Best] and an earthly great talent [Kevin keegan]. No disrespect to either the footballers or the musicians involved but i do feel there is a distinction. In both instances the earthly great talent tended to triumph in the long run. As Pete Viney will testify it also happens in other British sports foe eg snooker - alex higgins and Steve davis/Stephen hendry

Anyroad the said post:-

Subject: Yer Blues

Being an unfeasibly avid Red I naturally prefer to retain a respectable distance from anything Blue - hmmph.

Nonetheless, further to our round up of authentic British Blues artists, I think we ought to ponder at least a weeny while on Peter Green who - intrinsically - was surely the nearest we Brits have ever had to the real thing i.e Robert Johnson et alia.

Although the analogy I'm about to make is by no means a perfect one [since George Best actually did achieve so much], I think Pete Viney will know what I mean when I say that if Eric Clapton was Kevin Keegan then Peter Green was Georgie Best. In other words one had great talent and dedicated himself to perfecting it and becoming a true great whilst the other was naturally imbued with a gift from above but kind of squandered it.

Sadly for Peter, he went off the rails very early into his career and so never achieved anywhere near the greatness for which God had him earmarked. Eric Clapton in stark contrast achieved possibly even more than he ever really had a right to through hard work, an undeniably great talent and dedication to his art.

On a personal level, as much as I admire Eric Clapton, I mean no disrespect when I say that I would rather a brief snatch of Peter Green on 'Oh Well' or 'Green Manalishi' than a listen to an entire 'Ocean Boulevard' or 'Layla' - and I do really like that stuff.

It's just that for me Green back then had that certain authentic magical quality that I personally feel Eric has somehow lacked. As regards who I'd prefer to spend a night in the ale house with?...well that's a completely different ball game - Georgie Best of course.


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Posted by:

Christer Rynhag

Location: Stockholm

Subject: The Band

Hej Helena R ! ................. c.rynhag@telia.com


Entered at Mon Apr 28 21:31:20 CEST 2003 from pub26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.140)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: good news about the Hawk!

Amanda thanks for the Hawk update! Good news!

Kalervo- Right on.


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Posted by:

Christer Rynhag

Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Subject: Rick Danko

Have bought the dvd-version of "The Last Waltz" and became impressed of the work of Rick Danko. Think he was a very great singer, for example in "It makes no difference"...and he had a very great feeling in his bassplaying on stage...It looks like a very true peak of his career on that night...and even for the others in the group... So sad that Danko died early...never heard the reason for the death......................... Christer Rynhag....... c.rynhag@telia.com


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Posted by:

Empty Now - Twof

Subject: Break-point - Spelling, Punctuation, First name, idiots, Fun based on something.which may interrupt this now refreshing stuff about The Hawks

Jerry:

I’m sorry if i cited your name, i was innocent, I didn’t criticize your punctuation, but i seriously enjoyed it. A good spelling wasn’t, is not, and will never be my concern. This is just an apology for a harmless name citation
But if you addressed Crabgrass, I ask for a permission to insert a little bit of wisdom, (i dont think that the “idiot” episod is nasty, and no one can be idiot here, i just have a personal reason)

. Crabgrass:

Reading your 11:58:53 post i learned that the English People apply Last name for the Big name, i.e. the Familly name ( or the Tribe name in my culture), and First name for the little name, that which identify somebody in a Personal manner...thus i my former post i used the wrong word
Since that has its importance, i correct: my real little name (with no ambiguity, my MYSELF real name, prénom) is Twof. i know it doesn’t interrest anyone, just for the correctness, and Thank you

From Coluche, a clever French humorist:

“Cleverness (or cleverthness, keep the correct word) is the most equitably shared good amongst mankind, since everybody can only appreciate his one by means of his own”

good...


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Posted by:

Sheila

Subject: Garth

Garth is pretty excellent, isn't he? He is the one who inspired my 12 year old son to play in his school band. My son wants to watch TLW all the time just to watch Garth play. He said just today that he promises to practice each and every day because one day he wants to be able to be like Garth!


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Posted by:

DZ

It's called "Stay Awake"...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: Garth

sadavid = what a great post about Garth. I love those moments when Garth's brilliance hits you all over again while you're listening to him play.....I've always liked that "Feed The Birds" tune from Mary Poppins. It's such a nice melody. Was it in fact from "Sea To The North"? I've got the CD, but I don't recall. I'll have to check. If it isn't - where is it from? anyone?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

goal achieved - cool.

we're still friends, right Crabby - even though I'm an idiot :-)


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Hudsonia

I was yapping last week about goodies heard on CBC radio. Yesterday noon I was munching lunch while listening to "The Vinyl Cafe" [link] which is dependable entertainment and extaordinarily well-written. The host/writer was riffing on the subject of "birds" and after one anecdote announced, "here's Garth Hudson." What followed was the most interesting and moving instrumental I have heard since...maybe forever.

Thinking of the picture of His Garthness riding that big white owl, I figured, "wow, must be something from 'The Sea to the North'." When it was over, it was identified as "music from 'Mary Poppins'."

It didn't click until I checked this site today that the tune was "Feed the Birds." Which was always a pretty melody, but, Garthified, it's damn near a force of nature.

Some music department somewhere should confer a doctorate honoris causa and give the man a generous perpetual stipend just to continue to be himself and maybe do a couple of master classes. Alternatively, the Government of Canada should sack a paid-off political hack somewhere and put GH on salary as, say, the "Musical Ambassador to Woodstock and the World."

Then we could start calling ourselves civilised.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

I've never seen a monkey in a bar, but I did see a full-grown emu stroll into a pub in Camooweal, Australia when I was there. Apparently he/she was a regular and wouldn'd say no to a drop or two. Camooweal, by the way, is somewhat legendary due to the song "Never Going Back To Camooweal" by Slim Dusty (Oz's answer to Stompin' Tom). Although I did in fact go back to Camooweal some months later, Slim certainly had the right attitude to the place; in my own experience, it is the fly capital of the country - and that's saying something!


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Posted by:

Sheila

Location: Fayetteville, AR

Subject: Re: Thurlow Brown

In his book, Levon related a little story about ol' Thurlow. The time was the late 1950's, and Thurlow owned a monkey which he'd take to the pool hall in Marvell so they both could drink a beer and if they were in the mood, throw a punch or two. Now that must've been a HOOT AND A HALF to witness. BTW Frank, Sounds like you've heard some good stories. And I say HOORAY that The Hawk is feeling better.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Re the drumming on "Moondog Matinee", Billy Mundi told me that he's pretty sure he's on 'Third Man Theme', 'Mystery Train' and 'I'm Ready'.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 19:37:25 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Just a funny Band related note: You know those cable TV channels where they just post community events, usually with a radio station soundtrack playing in the background? I guess they are "public access channels" where you don't see regular programming. Well for about the last two weeks on my local cable (American Cablevison of Queens), the public acces channels have been playing "Rock of Ages" in an endless loop, over and over and over. Must be a Band fan programming there. Seems it will play forever.

Kalervo - I sympathize with your ambivalence. But it hurts me to see you list among the U.S. "negatives" - "hard line capitalism" and "money addiction". These are actually very healthy factors without which Americans would not have achieved the level we have. Imagine any place where they have "hard line socialism" and "money abstention". Would never be as affluent and healthy as ths U.S.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: The Hawk

There are a couple of new updates on The Hawk's site regarding his treatment.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 19:01:36 CEST 2003 from (193.10.71.3)

Posted by:

Helena R.

Location: Stockhom, Sweden

Subject: Moondog Matinee songs

I´m spending some time now listening to Moondog Matinee. I enjoy trying to listen very close to each instrument and analyse how and why they put the songs and the instruments together like they did. But it`s quite frustrating not to know who´s playng what. In the CD sleeve you can read that for example Levon did not play at all on Third man theme (not being in town) but Peter Viney writes that he does. Also Peter Viney writes that Levon plays bass on a few tunes and not much is said about this in the CD sleeve (except for What am I living for). On A Change is gonna come I think it´s more Levon-style than Richard-style on the drums, does anyone agree with that??? (Peter Viney says it´s Richard on drums) After reading Levons book I understand that he´s not always too serious about being exact about the facts. Anyway it would be fun to get some comments on this from anyone. Thank you and take care! Helena


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Ronnie's Remedy

Stuck in traffic on the turnpike Friday afternoon, trying to catch a flight at Newark Airport, my wife switched from CD (Smokey Robinson’s ‘One Heartbeat’) to radio, hoping to hear a traffic report on a New Jersey station. Didn’t catch the names of the drive-time duo, but they were the usual cretinous Howard Stern wannabes, busy being edgy and outrageous, and, when we tuned in, just starting a bit on the always hilarious subject of home remedies for cancer. What caught my ear was the hook for the cancer schtick: a report (source not credited, but Nitwit #1 seemed to be reading from either a press release or a newspaper/magazine article) that Ronnie Hawkins (described by Nitwit #2 as ‘an old blues singer’) had achieved a ‘miracle’ cure from pancreatic cancer (‘a death sentence,’ intoned Nitwit #2, solemnly) through ‘drinking and doing lots of drugs.’ That occasioned much party animal talk from the jocks about their own, apparently non-cancer-related, drinking and drugging exploits, although they did find time to mention that the Hawk’s treatment consisted of near-round-the-clock consumption of J&B scotch and smoking ‘tons of pot’ (call me a recovering dope fiend or call me a snob, but smoking pot, even by the bale, hardly qualifies as doing lots of drugs). Mercifully, the traffic soon came on (an accident, already cleared—we made it with time to spare) and we were back to the music. Has anyone else—Canadian GB-ers, perhaps—heard anything about this? I mean, I know the news about Hawkins’ cancer appears to be good and I assume he gets high in some fashion, but the idea of tying the two together for the sake of publicity is depressing, even from someone whose notion of good taste seems as flexible as the Hawk’s.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia on my mind

Subject: Fleetwood minus one key Mac

While I enjoy the pop hits of the later permutations of Fleetwood Mac, I still prefer the original blues-based lineup centered around Peter Green. In my opinion, the current day version of the group is sorely missing the beautiful voice & artistic input of Christine McVie, who added both balance & buffer to the excesses of Buckingham & Nicks. As far as the original group, the following quote says it all:

"Peter Green is the only guitarist who ever made me sweat."
--B.B. King


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Ad Campaigns

Speaking of ad campaigns....Has anyone else seen the latest effort of the Las Vegas Tourism Board?

"What Happens Here Stays Here"

Now that cuts right to the chase.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 18:13:17 CEST 2003 from dax34.revealed.net (208.16.227.177)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Mac

The Green Manalishi, Bill :) I'll also take the songs Oh Well (Parts 1 and 2) and Albatross (one of two #1 singles in their entire career. I still prefer Fleetwood Mac's blues to the other english blues abnds of that era such as Chicken Shack and Savoy Brown.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

1) JTF: Thanks for the The Last Flight of Fancy.

2) Ronnie Hawkins was on the CTV morning show around 7:00 today. The camera showed some of his prized photos - with Clinton, Parton, Dylan (and our own John D). And with the Hawks he first brought to Toronto, who he introduced as "the original Seldom-Fed Four".

3) Today's Toronto Star, which you can find online at www.torstar.com, I think, has an article on Daniel Lanois, who played on Friday on the TVO show hosted by Steve Paikin.

4) I really don't like that blues as performed by early FMac, but Peter Green's originals are brilliant - "Black Magic Woman" and flip, "Man Of The World", "The Green Unspellable". And "Somebody's Gonna Get His Head Kicked In Tonight" (if that was a Green song). "Sentimental Lady", from the middle period was a beautiful performance, and Christine McVie's bg vocals make Bob Welch's solo redo. As for Fleetwood and Mac themselves, I've never noticed all that much growth. Still dull as dishwater on the big two LPs - especially "Don't Stop".

5) Was it the '72 Olympics when Theophilo Stevenson won the gold by KOing the other guy with his first punch?


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Jim Weider Band

THe Jim Weider Band put on another "SUPER' show sat. nite at historic Revolution Hall, in Troy, NY. Dan Mckinney was really out of site on the keys-unreal!! Albert,,well,,that white FLYIN FIN bass has an awesome sound and Albert pushed it to the limit! Rando put on a clinic; super drummin!! Jim, well,,it was a musically astute crowd and a lot of people were just amazed at Jim's Tele work!! Revolution Hall and the staff were great. Great sound, and a place that is geared towards live music!!We'll be glad to return for the next JWB show! Was great to see Tommy,,Jimmy and Sue,,and Al Goldberg at the show!! See ya down the road!!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Muddy Waters

Finally got to see that 1 hour Muddy Waters special on PBS last night and it was fantastic. Bob Margolin also looked great in it. They showed a late period version of Mannish Boy toward the end and it was amazingly similar to the TLW version, minus Paul Butterfield's great harmonica work.


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Posted by:

Frank

Peter thanks for your comment.

speaking to Levon one time about Tommy Lee Jones, he mentioned to me that Tommy Lee was had done a new western about ''a cattle drive from Texas to Montana and a whole lotta other stuff in between'' this of course was Lonesome Dove ''Look out for it Frank you,ll like it'' when i happend upon it some time later in my local Xtra vision i had to pinch myself when i thought it was LEVON HELM who recommended this, he also marked my card about a book by Evan S Connell which was of course ''Son of the Morning Star'' and the tv movie featured Gary Cole which was someone else Levon had worked with..they will always be special to me....we all know that LEVON has had a bout with cancer[most of us here have been affected one way or another by this illness] well the stoic way in which he talks about facing it and the praise he lavishes upon the good people at Sloan Kettering will make you sit up straight in your chair i can tell you.

Sandy Helm told me that Levons dad the great J D was staying up in Woodstock the night that thier house was burned down and every body was able just to get out in the clothes they were in...now this at the time was a horrible experience but they all laugh now when tey remember that as they sat in Levons car [Levon, J D, Sandy and i think Caroline Szelest] at the top of the road leading to the house watching the blaze everybody was comforting one another and tahnking God that they all got out, J D piped up and said ''at least ya all have your own teeth'' seemingly in the rush to exit the house J D, false teeth got left behind...Shiela/Amanda the Weight is full of characters from Llevons background Miss Anna Lee is a childhood friend of his etc,etc. another one Levon howls at is when they were being forcibly removed from the offices of Eric Schuster [pseudonym] with the option of going quickly through the lobby or even quicker through the window of the bold Eric,s office [which was in a NEW YORK hotel Levon and Robbie were trying to secure a record contract about 1965 i think and the exchanges between all parties became quite colourful] well anyway as they were being ''hurried'' through the hotel lobby Doc Pomus who was also working out of their looked up and though he simphasised with the boys plight simply said ''SAAAAAAARRRYY'' Levon was hurling all sorts of ''down home'' expletives in the direction of Eric and his heavies i sometime chuckle to think that such a smooth and urbane character such as Robbie handled the indignity of it all.

John Simon once said when explaining Levon,s musical background/heritage that he ''sings in his own voice'' well thats the way he lives his life as well and its not a bad way when you sit down and think about it.

One time outside Chicago somewhere the boys were practically starving[circa 64/65] and for some reason in these situations Garth was always able to produce money from somewhere ''the trick is levon never break a twenty'' this prompted Ronnie H awkins to remark 'you know Garth is a wonderful musician but man he,s close to the dollar, he could sqeeze a nickel so hard it would make thew buffalo shit'' its yarns like this which humanises them for us all...as Levon often says The Band was a ''rythm section'' but lucky for us all turned out to be quite a rythm.

take care all of ya


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Posted by:

jerry

I may be a idiot to some, I may not spell very well and I know my punctuation sucks...I didnt think that was a issue here, or should be for that matter. But I do know I wouldnt make fun of someone based on that...


Entered at Mon Apr 28 14:10:28 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Whan a few of our life remains more than one life

Sorry for bad translation


Entered at Mon Apr 28 13:55:42 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

« Past, Present, Moment, Duration…all are Vague concepts
Emerges The Memory, and everything stands for Reality
Only that which is true happened, that which is untrue has never been
One True moment could be, And that which is true is everlasting
When a few of our life remains for all of our life »

(translated from Dutch, it’s still beautiful)

An example of a true moment « i shall be released ». Someone disagree ?

I guess contemporaries of Cervantes didn’t talk about him like today’s people do


Entered at Mon Apr 28 13:41:02 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-182.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.182)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: DVD-Audio marches forward …

Great reminiscences, Frank. Tell us more.

Just picked up the Fleetwood Mac. In an interesting marketing ploy, the CD was £12.99 (on reduction from £13.99) BUT the DVD-Audio was £11.99 (on reduction from £12.99). Is this the shape of things to come? It must be the strongest push yet for a medium switch, and intelligently prices the new medium lower. I got the DVD-Audio, taken by the bargain price and the prospect of something designed for 5.1 rather than retro-fitted with 5.1, but reckon I’ll end up buying a CD too.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork City
Web: My link

Subject: I left my home in.....

There's absolutely nothing about Mesopotomia, Persia, Cuba or Korea in the words of "The Promised Land".....It has 3 verses and no chorus......all about the journey of a young man across North America......A song written and recorded by Chuck Berry......also recorded and released by Elvis Presley and The Band....and many others, to be sure.....

All these factors make it a prime candidate for being The Perfect Rock'n'Roll song.....don'cha think?.......

But Everywhere I go, I can't believe it's NOT America... All over The World, I can't believe it's NOT America.... and Everywhere I go, I can't believe it's NOT America...All over The USA, I can't believe it's NOT America

It's Changin', gettin' strange'n'you wanna help it on it's way.....

(All Hail) Global America! (check My Link)

May you be safe from Terrorists and Warmongers...Wherever You Are......

There is no such thing as Right Wing or Left Wing...

There is only a bird that flies......

I heard "Free as a Bird" by The Beatles recently...thought it sounded beautiful and well played.....

Can someone remind me again why it sucked?


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Any News?

Any update on the Box Set or Rageing Bull Release?


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Posted by:

Frank

reference the last contribution...please excuse my typing i come from te two digit school and have never been able to fully whip the QWERTY system cheers for staying with it


Entered at Mon Apr 28 12:03:59 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Definitively The Band

Where else can you talk about The Band ? I still believe that The Band Chronicle cannot be closed one day (just like about everyone who made a mastepiece in History : Homer, Cervantes,…..) I recently tried an attempt of interesting some of my mates extra-GB about The Band, it really doesn’t work. Here is a samlpe of some quotes i heard : « In fact, your Band, they are Canedians….. »
« I thought since the begining that all what surround Dylan cannot be bad…»
and from a local singer, talking about The Weight : « Their greatest hit, which is so hard to sing….»
etc….

I used to be ridiculous

In a more serious chapter,
1 – After the quality of their music and the substantial content of their lyrics
2 – and the year 1969, this is important
3 – and The Last Waltz
4 – and the website of Jan
5 – and the quality of their fans, including the idiots
The ultimate attractive reason, like a divine revelation, that made me definitively The band, leaving my previous stars is : The recent episod about Next of Kin in the GB

It would be hard to me to devlop this idea furthermore, i cannot be eloquent in English language.

Btw, i have not yet a favorite The Band song
I just coincidently remarked, with a naive euphoria, that the initials of This Wheels on Fire can be compressed in « Twof », my real last name,….i thought for a moment to sign by this name following the trend in the GB which consists on adopting a song for nickname, which for the circumstance is my real name. But now it is too late, a question of fidelity

I remarked in the discography of this website that « Jubilation » had a good review

Waw ! i’m amazed…just before posting, i saw a sign from Jerry, although i am not so aware with that song


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Posted by:

Frank Heatley

Subject: Thurlow Brown

Amanda Thurlow Brown was Levon first real guitar player[never prone to bouts of guitaritis unlike some i could mention but won,t] anyway he played with the man and his sister Linda way back there in Helena right there in the biz end of the Delta..he has passed on now but Levon howls at te memoriesand when you think of it that a nice little tribute to the memory of Thurlow Brown....just listening to Levon in that mahogony rich southern accent of his relate yarns from that period is an absolute joy to behold...i had the good fortune to spend a couple of days at Levon,s place back in june 2001 explring his barn/studio, swimming in the lake at the back of the house and getting real close to the red deer which trapse through his property on a regular basis..coming from N Ireland and being such a huge fan of The Band and all thing related you can imagine how i felt getting of the bus in Woodstock, well i couldtry to articulate it but i won,t that warmest of memories will saty with me in my head for ever...a magical trip.. a delightful guy by the name of Andrew Shober [from a mellow bunch of cats called ''The Applepickers Union''] tookme out to see BIG PINK THAT NIGHT sNDY helm and i dined on the best chinese food i have ever eaten in a place next door to the Bear Restaurant [which i think is ownwd by Sally Grossmann] as i look out on rain sodden Warrenpoint[my home town] i can still see the scene on Woodstock green as i exited that ole bus '' a guy and his dog curled up fast asleep ,both of them under a bench, another guy sitting on the same bench with a friendly pet Python wrapped around his torso and Pappy Woodstock greeting all newcomers into town. Levon from time to time sends me packages of cd and if you can remeber what is was like being a kid on Xmas morning then you will have some idea of my excitment when such packages arrive.... i,ll not have a bad word said about any of The Band but for me Levon is the real deal and if you ever get a chance to hear him talk about being a kid growing up in Marvel take it with both hands..it seems to me that in everything he does Levon just hits the groove button all the time. sorry for rambling on a bit, but i feel lucky when i think about all of those aforementioned things. take care and have a nice day all


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

No shortage of idiots here, that's for sure. BTW Sec. of State Powell's first name is "Colin." Learn to spell.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

"This Wheels On Fire"...for Ford Explorers..before the tire recall that is...


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Posted by:

jerry

Roz hun..not bad...we have 4 of the same, but after reading your top 10 my top 11 has turned into 17, and after reading Sams raises that number to 20 something, impossiable I guess just to pick a top 10 with these guys


Entered at Mon Apr 28 10:14:09 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-148.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.148)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Moondancing to Infinity

Moondance & Infiniti: According to the Heylin bio, Van had to give up control of his early solo albums to get out of a deal. It says something about the car though, doesn’t it? Apart from an inability to spell, which is not as bad as Mitsubishi’s “Starrion” (which was supposed to go with ‘Colt’ and resemble ‘Mustang’.) Though great in Van’s hands, Moondance has become an anodyne, bland, jazzy standard. I wouldn’t have chosen it to advertise any kind of vehicle. It conjures up ‘fake sophistication’ in a slightly sleazy way. Peugeot ads got criticized here once for going for too much strong rock (suggesting power, which in their case was an illusion). You won’t have had them in the USA, but 10 years of advertising for Renault Clios (a small hatchback) has so successfully persuaded young women that my daughter believes that ‘Girls don’t drive Fords!’ That’s successful advertising. As all her friends agree with her, it shows that Ford have been slow to realize it too. It’s a bit like Lake Woebegon, where the choice of Ford or Chevrolet showed whether you were Lutheran or Catholic.

So where is this leading? Competition time! Which Band song would best advertise which vehicle? I’ll go for “I Shall Be Released” for a large black Mercedes Pullman (as once owned by Garth) directed at the funeral business.

As the new Fleetwood Mac is a musical event, I think it worth discussing. Astonished to see a minor attack on Ms Nicks. Not that it offends me, but the concept that any male would find her less than entrancing is novel. There was a self-deprecating Grace Slick interview where she said Stevie was the only female rock star who was better-looking than the groupies.

Enjoyed the Clothesline Saga lyrics.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Top Ten


Whispering Pines
Rockin' Chair
Unfaithful Servant
Daniel and the Sacred Harp
Ain't No More Cane
Let The Night Fall
Hobo Jungle
Rags and Bones
The Weight
Don't Ya Tell Henry

Well I went down to the whorehouse
The other night
I was lookin' A-round
It was outa sight


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Posted by:

jerry

Hmmm...Dick, Bush, Colon..............


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Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Another Idiot

King Harvest

Acadian Driftwood

Weight

Whispering Pines

Rockin Chair

Shape

Forbidden Fruit

Don't ya Tell Henry

This Wheels on Fire

Tears of Rage

Get Up Jake


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Pass the pepper please

Cannibal - 1 A person who eats human flesh. 2 An animal who eats it's own kind -adj- of, resembling, or having the habits of cannibals. Can'-ni-bal-ism' -n- can'-ib'al-is'-tic adj.

The Webster's New World College Dictionary (forth edition)


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Focus / BB Sound Samples

Lack of focus??? The focus has been on Commie Cuba - and who has time for a "life" when the GB gets as hot and heavy as this? Why it would be total selfishness!!

It's too bad the exceedingly generous 1 minute sound samples from the Official Non-existent Barn Burners CD didn't generate more in the way of discussion. These teeny sound bytes aren't too bad though in my opinion the drums are mixed up much too high and give the tunes a disco feel rather than a bluesy one. (Click above link if you haven't checked them out yet.)

Personally, I much prefer the boot CDs of the Woodstock New Year's Eve 2003 show as the BB's efforts were considerably augmented by the presence of the indisputably great Hubert Sumlin. Pretty good recording quality and the songs play all the way through too!!


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Van the Man Selling Cars???

Has anyone else seen the Infiniti commercial featuring "Moondance?" I'm not sure how I feel about one of my all-time favorite (though over-played) Van Morrison songs being used that way. I have to give Neil Young and others credit for just saying "no" to crass commercial use of their songs. A new strategy is the one being taken by Bruce Hornsby. He has an offer from Buick to write orginal music for a commercial to feature Tiger Woods, but since he has never allowed any his songs to be used in commercials, Hornsby has put up a voting function on his official site so fans can vote on whether he do the commercial or not.

As far as this guestbook having run out of steam, I have noticed that it seems to run in cycles and lately there has been a lack of focus for some reason. I hope it's because people are getting OUTSIDE and having lives...


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Lars: Hopefully there's still the forthcoming Band Box Set to discuss... and if RR ever writes a book... but what I most look forward to are Garth CDs and videos... Yes!!! So there's still some Band stuff to look forward too... Re: Fantasy, if RR ever hooked up with Levon, Garth, Weider, Rando, Bell et al... then that would be such a newsworthy event that it has the potential to be really cool especially for all those younger musicians following down a similarly authentic musical path... but like you said, fantasy, myth... Best thing to do is catch the next show from any of them... btw, how did the recent JWB and BB shows go?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Lars may be on to something. Maybe we've run our course. Maybe we should all make this our last day on this site. We will just become lurkers and watch a whole new generation of GBers come in slowly and run the course. They will start off nicely enough....talking about all that is great about the Band history - including thier favorite Band songs. Then someone will innocently mention the tension between Levon and Robbie, and it will escalate. Then when they grow bored, they will find other things to talk ( and shout) about.

Then some wise person like Lars will point out that the gas has run out of the tank, and it's time to quit.

Of course, some "originals" will sneak into the second run under a different name (Hi Roz).......Maybe there'll be something like an old timers day like in baseball. We could come back for a night and take a few weak swings at Levon or Robbie (depending on who's side you're on).

Maybe I'll go and get some sleep now. Have a wonderful night - or morning, depending on where you are.


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Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Stevie

She may be "mind-numbing" and "nonsensical" to some but you have to admit weather ya like her or not singing while spinning out of control is a talent...pluss even at 50 something she's still a babe, huh Peter....


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: The Band

CRABGRASS: I don't believe there are many new ideas for The Band. It's gone...and it's not coming back. BUT (and this is a big "but")if reality were pushed aside in order to see a glimpse of fantasy, then I'll play along for the fun of it.

First of all, Levon and Robbie make up and decide to play some music together (IMO that will be when hell freezes over). They get offered a lot of money to play a gig for some rich guy, like the owner of Lionel Trains (this actually happened to the Crowmatix a few years back, their band flew out to CA for a private gig...it was Elmo's first time on a plane (he's so tall they always refused to let him on the plane)). Anyway, This Band would need a keyboard player, either Prof. Louie or Richard Bell. Garth, of course, would drop everything and play organ with the stipulation that each of the other members of the group would pay him an extra $10 per week. Randy would come back to help on percussion and the bass player would either be Elmo or Roscoe Millette. Larry Packer would be on electric violin and Sredni Volmer would be on harp. Roscoe would be the lead singer, with the Sredster and Randy on harmonies. Aaron could do the high harmonies.

Alas, as The Reformed Reformed Band opened up Carnegie Hall, the night is ruined when Garth is attacked by The Fly, even though Robbie tries to catch him with a swipe of his now slowed down hand. A duck (a mallard drake) flies across the stage and shakes up the sound man so badly that he makes Robbie's mic hot. Levon's monitor is mixed up with Roscoe's. The brass section, lined up in back, starts playing the wrong song. Not even Butch can salvage the night as Levon storms off the stage to watch some football on tv.

AP is now alone on stage, winding up his cords. The press asks him for a comment and he sums it all up, "Whatever..."


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Posted by:

Pence again

Subject: more lyrics

Kris Kristofferson...Dylan connections galore, some Band, at least through playing the villain in the Steven Seagal/Levon Helm movie...

"Third World War"

Where the young men's brave new visions threaten old men's selfish Dreams

And they try to crush the spirit with their money and machines

And they call it communism because they don't know what it means

In the third world war

And the rich keep getting richer and as wrong as they are right

And the poor become the victims of the armies of the night

And the odds are never even and their skins are never white

In the third world war

Broken rules and dirty warriors spreading lies and secret funds

Can't defeat the campesino with their money and their guns

'cause he's fighting for his future and his freedom and his sons

In the third world war



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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: dylan lyrics via leftwing ranter

The next day everybody got up

Seein' if the clothes were dry.

The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed,

Mama, of course, she said, "Hi!"

"Have you heard the news?" he said, with a grin,

"The Vice-President's gone mad!"

"Where?" "Downtown." "When?" "Last night."

"Hmm, say, that's too bad!"

"Well, there's nothin' we can do about it," said the neighbor,

"It's just somethin' we're gonna have to forget."

"Yes, I guess so," said Ma,

Then she asked me if the clothes was still wet.

I reached up, touched my shirt,

And the neighbor said, "Are those clothes yours?"

I said, "Some of 'em, not all of 'em."

He said, "Ya always help out around here with the chores?"

I said, "Sometime, not all the time."

Then my neighbor, he blew his nose

Just as papa yelled outside,

"Mama wants you t' come back in the house and bring them clothes."

Well, I just do what I'm told,

So, I did it, of course.

I went back in the house and Mama met me

And then I shut all the doors.



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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Favorite Band song? Mmmmmmmmm. Tough call. I can't just pick one. There's a bunch.

The Weight

Evangeline

Long Black Veil

Thinking Out Loud

All La Glory

Ophelia

Don't Ya Tell Henry

Orange Juice Blues

It Makes No Difference

Out Of The Blue

Across The Great Divide

Rag Mama Rag

When I Paint My Masterpiece

Up On Cripple Creek

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

.....that's just a few off the top, in no particular order.

So Crabby - are you an idiot for bringing up the idea, or am I the idiot for running with it? I'll be the idiot if you want.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 03:47:48 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I have! Scroll back and look.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 03:18:41 CEST 2003 from 1cust191.tnt16.nyc9.temp.da.uu.net (63.38.56.191)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: The BAND / Ranters

So little talk about The BAND??? How about suggesting a NEW TOPIC concerning The BAND instead of complaining?

The "ranters" are mostly on the LEFT in my opinion btw.

[Surely, some lame idiot is gonna start a "Favorite BAND Song" thread now.]


Entered at Mon Apr 28 02:56:04 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Stuck Inside of Mobile

Subject: Castro...and Conservative Cretins

I don't contribute much to this GB much any more since there is so little talk about The Band and so much right-wing political ranting, but since those are the dominant threads, I will respond to those. I certainly don't see any possible connection of the mind-numbing, nonsensical music of Stevie Nicks to the subject of this board, anyway.

Regarding Fidel Castro, we don't have a real motivation for "regime change" there since there is no oil and it was Clinton, not Bush who found an imaginative use for a cigar. Should the Montreal Expos be moved to Cuba? Sure, that way an American corporation (the team is now owned by Major League Baseball) can charge poor Cubans ridiculous rates to see a boring sport just like the Puerto Rican fans who have stayed away in droves from the incredibly expensive Expos games played there this spring.

The tired tirade here earlier was one more Limbaugh-like rerun from the last century--and once again by a right-winger so excited about his incredibly dull recitation that he could not bother to break it into paragraphs. That does make it much more convenient to scroll by the words of a poster who called himself "insane" in a previous post (much like the woman who admitted she left this GB for an extended period because she was "in solitary"). It seems that they both have a bad case of MBC disease, or Missing Bill Clinton. I have to admit that I miss him, too. Those eight years of peace, prosperity and a balanced budget went by way too fast.


Entered at Mon Apr 28 00:34:02 CEST 2003 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Hey Woodlark, good to see you!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny
Web: My link


Entered at Sun Apr 27 21:44:52 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Point Counter Point

Ben, You Ignorant Slut (grin)First I want to thank you for posting back to me and I hope you take our banter as nothing more than the pure fun that I intend. That said Ben YOU IGNORANT SLUT. Why would the Clinton camp even consider settling with Paula Jones if he was the innocent man that you profess? Hummm, A long history of using his power to intminate woman into giving him cheap sloppy sex? Yeah Ben he NEVER DID THAT BUT ONCE. Kathreen Wiley threatened into silence, I believe he only got to cop a feel when she went went to him for help,What exactly do you consider a small time extra marital affair?....... Set and Match? Not even close my friend. Ok enough of My preoccupation with the former Presidents penis. Lets talk about Whitewater for just a second, Susan Mcdougal did how many years in jail for the Clintons on that one and the part they played in the fall of her husbands savings and loan? And why would she not testify ? What dirty little secrets did she know and how much did they pay her for her silence? You being way smarter than I Ben surely have an answer to that. Travelgate, very simple, simple political patronage, Phoney Hollywood friends back you , hand them back a nice fat government contract. Happens everyday and not just in the last two years of your hell. Rose Law Firm Gate, where to start? Lawyers over billing clients, they all do it and they make the laws so it must be legal? Right? Oh almost forgot The Hillary bond trade. First trade she ever made and in a couple of days made a 1000% profit? WOW she must be good. Do you think she can broker a trade for me????? I could use that kind of profit too.....Ok, Ben, I am going to travel down a paranoid conspriacy theorist road which I know you will reconize being that your thinking is dominated by paranoia. Vince Foster was MURDERED. I dont know by who or why (I think he was Hillarys lover, which would dispell all the right-wing child molesters theory that she is lesbian) Fact, Supposed self inflicted gun shot wound, no powder burns on his hand (could have shot himself from a distance then run, pick the gun up and propped himself upright against a tree in broad daylight) Maybe not though. (Ben, you have to be laughing by now, this is my A list material) Now if you shot yourself in the head sitting under a tree would'ent the force of the shot knock your body over? Also would there not be blood and brains in any of the surrounding areas? There was not. Ah the note, oh yeah Vince Foster being a highly educated man who wrote many many things and was known for his talents as a writer decided on the last day of his life not to bother with one. I find that odd, dont you Ben? Why may I ask did the DC PARK POLICE do the investigation? and within a day or two decided it was no question a suicide. Were they not the same Police force that handled the Shandra Levy case? You remember that one Ben, where your Buddy Gary Conduit (DEM.) Lawyered up and refused to help in anyway the Stellar investigation. He was smart though he placed her body in a pricker bush and everyone knows the Police wont look there, they might get a scrach. They walked by the body for ONE year, yet you believe that the Vince Foster death is without a question? Come now Ben , a man of your high intelligence must have some........ Balls in your court...... By the way, King of California, Dave Alvin I think is his best stuff, and anything by the Blasters.....


Entered at Sun Apr 27 21:16:41 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Thanks to all of you wonderful people

Rosalind : He-lo Ro-sa-lind….How - do – you - do

Peter: De la race des Seigneurs

Amanda : « I am so happy you are here » the same hapiness i got when i saw your name in my email reception box.

Woodlark : It’s curious how from the moment i took the resolution to convert to a true The Band fan, i feel mysyelf uninspired of writing something worthy in the GB
(That dosnt mean that i wrote worthy before)

It was a true frustration to be kept far from the GB……..much much more than writing in English

Music suggestion: if someone is interested, i just discovered the last album of Bryan Ferry, « Frantic » including two sweet versions of Dylan’s songs « It’s all over now baby blue » and « Don’t think twice, it’s all right », the latter is really good…..That reminded me of something i read before in the GB « the best version of Jealous Guy is that of Roxy Music »


Entered at Sun Apr 27 20:38:38 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Beisbol

If the Castro era could just end soon, the Montreal Expos would have the perfect baseball market to move to. Imagine the Havana reception to returning athletes such as El Duque Hernandez and Jose Contreras.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 18:41:52 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Peter V: I think you'll probably like the new Fleetwood Mac... in the liner notes, there is a small credit for Christine doing something, I forget what... btw, I respectfully disagree with you on old Mac... I absolutely love Bare Trees... and Danny Kirwan's songs are downright spooky... as well as his playing... I've even been temptedto explore his solo stuff... but never did yet...

Today, I'm working on a poster for a typography class I'm taking at night school... a poster for the song Ferdinand The Imposter... and I got the BTs on in the background... take care all...


Entered at Sun Apr 27 18:10:22 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Cuba

I believe that many Cuban artists are allowed to travel outside Cuba, as long as the government approves and mostly if all expenses are paid by foreign sponsors. The peso can't get you very far.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 18:07:36 CEST 2003 from 1cust139.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.139)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Cuban Artists /KISS LIVE

Those performers must either be trusted members of The Party, close relatives of Fidel - or maybe they simply have relatives living in Cuba who they don't want to see executed.

Okay, now back to KISS!!. I recall my nephews (12 and 14 at the time) playing that KISS live album for me in the mid '70s - one of the members shouts out to the howling adolescent audience something like, "Are you drinkin' orange juice and vodka out there?" and the crowd goes wild. I thought it was kind of gross not too mention irresponsible. My nephews thought it was cool. Of course, maybe that was one of the overdubs done to increase record sales - I don't know.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 18:08:40 CEST 2003 from sdn-ap-025castocp0037.dialsprint.net (65.179.224.37)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Ernie K-Doe (legendary R&B singer and New Orleans disc jockey) on the healing process

"Time, and money, heal all wounds.........."


Entered at Sun Apr 27 17:50:56 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Bill J.

Should have put this in my last post. Fidel Castro let the Bolivians kill Che because Guevarra was becoming to popular and was a threat to his political power. This is fact proven by Che's diaries and documents discovered that Castro tried to keep from being released. So fuck Castro's fake-ass tears!


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Posted by:

Bill J.

The producer for the "fake" live Kiss record was non other than Eddie Kramer. He was Hendrix's producer and made quite a pretty penny overdubbing Jimi's stuff posthumously.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 17:35:01 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp191389.sympatico.ca (64.229.0.24)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I also missed Ibrahim Ferrer in Toronto performing at Massey Hall.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 17:24:38 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-249.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.249)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: travel

Crabbie: So how come Ibrahim Ferrer has just been (or maybe still is) in the UK? As Ruben Gonzalez was a few years ago? Anyway, as in all political discussions, minds don't get changed. Hence the futility of them. Back to the music?


Entered at Sun Apr 27 17:12:26 CEST 2003 from 1cust139.tnt16.nyc9.temp.da.uu.net (63.38.56.139)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Date Correction

The report of the recent "terrorist executions" in Cuba was from a 2003 copy of TIME - not a 1963 one. Maybe Fidel is the one still living back in 1963 and hasn't read about the failure of Communism in the former Soviet Union. Maybe he should start subscribing to the NY TIMES instead of re-reading his saved copies of PRAVDA.

BTW it's Castro who's putting a damper on the proliferation of Cuban music and culture by not allowing artists to travel to the FREE WORLD.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 15:10:24 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Live Album Overdubs

Before going to bed last night, VH-1 was airing another episode of Ultimate Albums. This one was on KISS's Alive, the one that shot them to super star status. Interesting to see how a band and a label were on the edge of bankruptcy, only to be saved at the last moment by a live album. I really didn't know that "live" albums were considered dreck recordings back then, let alone a double album.

The impetus behind the Live concept was because they were such a hot act live but their records were poor sellers. They needed to try and capture that live feel for a record. So they did 5 dates at Cobo Hall in Detroit and recorded away. At first they thought, it would be pretty easy, all they had to do was move a little less than they usually did in concert. Gene Simmons admitted he usually made tons of mistakes on bass because of all the jumping around.

So they have the concerts..., when they get to the studio and heard what they had, they knew they needed a lot of work. I can't remember the engineers name but he talked about how they overdubbed lots of singing and playing and showed examples of the overdubs (before and after) and also how they used other audience noise to overdub in the background. One instance is when the crowd sings (from another show) "I want to Rock-n-roll all night and party everyday" and how they mix that with their performance at Cobo. Interesting stuff if you're into it. Sheds a little light into how RR must have had to appraoch TLW.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 12:47:07 CEST 2003 from (212.202.223.107)

Posted by:

Krankenversicherung

Location: Europe
Web: My link

I happened upon this site while following the links from another site. Keep up the excellent work.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 12:28:52 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-205.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.205)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Fleetwood Mac, Chicken Shack, Sonny Boy etc

Thanks BEG for the info and comments on Cuba – it’s good to hear from someone who’s actually been there, rather than getting their opinions from 1963 copies of Time Magazine.

Fleetwood Mac. This is supposedly a real Buckingham-Nicks album, and I’ll find out tomorrow morning what it’s like. Reviews are good to excellent universally. They all note that the songwriting is exactly 50 / 50, though one review says 8 songs each, another says 9 songs each. Christine Perfect did write great songs and is not on board for this one which is a great shame. Mind you given the choice of the two, I'd always vote for Stevie. But they had something special together. When Christine was with Chicken Shack, long before Fleetwood Mac, she was voted “Female Vocalist of The Year” in the UK (presumably for I’d Rather Go Blind). But trust me, Chicken Shack were prime contenders for the Sonny Boy-Robbie award for “Those British guys wanna play the blues so bad. And they do.” I saw them at least three times in their heyday because they kept turning up in places. Those were the days when colleges / universities frequently booked three bands, and they were often one of the three. They were playing second-string behind the likes of Family, early Jethro Tull, Steampacket, Joe Cocker, The Alan Bown, Blossom Toes – and were crap in comparison. They’ve recently revived and toured. A terminally dull band. But I actually thought that pre-Buckingham / Nicks, Fleetwood Mac were also pretty dull- with a few noble and notable exceptions, all played by Peter Green. McVie and Fleetwood have evolved into a superb little rhythm section, but way back then they were just simplistic. By adding people with texture and melody they made a virtue of their shortcomings and they really are great – they never play more than is necessary.

On the Sonny-Boy Awards, one of this month’s re-releases is the show he did with The Animals in 1963, “Let it Rock” (Charley Records). As both The Yardbirds and The Animals accompanied Sonny-Boy, I guess they must be who he meant. Was Eric Clapton in that line-up of the Yardbirds? The same label is re-releasing ‘Five Live Yardbirds’ their 1964 set wit 10 bonus tracks. As for The Animals, while only Alan Price was a first-division instrumentalist, the others were good enough, and I reckon Eric Burdon was one of the ultimate white blues singers.

Ben – Best of Marmalade. I reckon there’ll be something around in the UK though the chances are it’ll be on a budget label sold in a corner of the convenience store. These stands are always worth looking at, as there are a few gems tucked away on them. I’ll keep an eye out for one.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 10:26:42 CEST 2003 from cache-hki-6.inet.fi (194.251.240.114)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Ambivalence

Thank you Brown Eyed Girl for your passionate, honest and open-hearted message on Cuba and other things. To dig Cuban music and culture doesn' t mean supporting hard side of Cuban policy. Just like I am in Finnish-American society and dig many faces of culture in USA, but I see excecutions in USA (death-penalties/gun craziness) really something from the Dark Middled Age, which shouldn' t belong to a modern western culture. Angelina you are a real universalist, one of those people who are making this gb fresh and open-minded! Without you and your kind of people it would be hard for us non-US citizen to feel comfortable here.

Being a part of western culture it is so hard not feel ambivalence towards USA. The ugly side of USA (violence, money addiction, hard-line capitalism, redneck patriotism etc.) makes me sad and troubled, but most of time I see the beauty and spiritual richness of American culture, people and Nature. I really do, that' s why I am still in Finland-USA society. And that is why I am eager to point to my cynical compatriots that there are so much beauty left in America...

Like Walela, which I am listening just now,the spirituality and beauty (I am repeating this word!) of Rita Coolidge' s, her sister Priscilla' s and Priscilla' s daughter, Laura Satterfield' s voices...Look at the web site....Thank God there are circles of light everywhere on this old Gaia, in USA, in Canada, in Finland..."we are not strangers, we are brothers...we came here to love each other"...


Entered at Sun Apr 27 10:21:10 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.146)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: BEG / Bush / The Mac / Jerry

BEG: Don't sweat it brown eyed girl, I'm being attacked in here by both Americans AND Canadians for being anti-Bush. Not complaining mind you... As several here have pointed out, I should be willing to "pay" for my "freedom" of speech. I, for one, love hearing about Cuba and the their music scene. I may visit Cuba when I get home from China...

Bush: Apparently the latest development in the aftermath of the attack on Iraq, is Bush's plan to punish France with trade sanctions. Wow, talk about a "sore winner".

The Mac: I've always been fond of "Kiln House" (1970) which contained neither Green NOR Perfect in the lineup (although Christine did do the cover painting). A great recording.

Jerry: I suggest you try to find a Peter Green solo LP from 1979 (I think) called "In the Skies". It's a damn solid effort by Green. May not be on CD though.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 10:02:03 CEST 2003 from 185.ppp135.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.135.185)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Subject: Empty Now

Good to see Empty Now back here. Looking forward to many interresting contibutions!


Entered at Sun Apr 27 08:35:09 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Mac

My Mac history was off, I just checked a Peter Green site and was reminded that Christine (Perfect)McVie at the time was not a member of Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac, which is the time frame I meant to mention as a favorite period of mine..I doubt anyone left a band in the fashion that Green left Mac, he was going through some sort of religeious phase and wanted the rest of band to donate all there profits to charity..

When the rest of the band didn't feel like being as charitable, he split and except for a mini reunion in the early 70's was vitually unheard from, he struggled for almost twenty years with mental illness and now makes music with a group called Peter Greens Splinter group....

Also just before the formation of Mac Green played with John Mayall and made an album with Paul Butterfield on it..I didn't know that but I'm sure many in here did...


Entered at Sun Apr 27 07:42:21 CEST 2003 from a68.dial.pgtc.com (69.4.195.68)

Posted by:

Sheila

Thanks Amanda!


Entered at Sun Apr 27 07:24:27 CEST 2003 from sam21.revealed.net (208.16.227.116)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Mac/Peter

Christine is missed a lot. But it's not fair to judge an album just because she's not there. I've heard a promo copy of the album from a friend who is a program director at a radio station. It's pretty good. Lindsey's stuff is best, as usual. In my opinion, Mac were much better before Christine became a member. I'm thinking of the Peter Green days. Peter, I hear that Christine is working with the surviving memebrs of The Doors. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I still love Christine's voice though.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 07:05:47 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp189917.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.76)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

My last post on Cuba.....I can't win anyway.....If I post I fuel the political fire and if I don't it's insinuated that my silence invalidates my personal views....Of course the male posters are held to different standards as always.....I could say similar things but it's not respected or taken seriously plus the propaganda about brown eyed girl is ever so present here thanks to some mean-spirited individuals.....Also sometimes I'm silent because it's hard to truly communicate in cyberspace and if ya haven't noticed by now I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR ARGUING....I NEVER HAVE.....I ONLY LIKE TO EXPRESS MYSELF AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NOT....I just don't appreciate when MY views are belittled.....They are just as valid.....My views are just different......

Here goes.....I just got back from seeing "Fidel" with some of my friends who travelled with me on the Cuban Cultural Tour. It was the first time I saw Fidel speak in English....We know why he generally CHOOSES not to.....;-D..Anyway, Nelson Mandela was shown greeting Fidel with....."My friend.....When are you coming to South Africa?" When Fidel wouldn't commit to a date....Former lawyer Nelson repeatedly asked former lawyer Fidel.....Apparently Fidel did visit soon after.....Harry Belafonte shared that before Batista was given the boot.....(That's what I really respect about Fidel and Che and the Cuban people) Cuba was...."blatantly racist and corrupt".....He was reflecting on the time he played in the jazz clubs before the Revolution....Alice Walker and Nobel Peace Prize Writer Marquez also spoke fondly of Fidel.....Walker joked that Fidel actually can't dance or sing....One of Fidel's teachers talked about the time Fidel would play basketball after everyone went to bed.....Or if he went fishing with the boyzzzzz....He had to be the one who brought home the most fish......He was so competitive and apparently could memorize anything that he was exposed to......

The first time I ever saw Fidel shed a tear....was when the remains of Che were finally brought back to Cuba and one of Che's daughters spoke on behalf of her father....She was only five when she lost her father.....Those of us who lost our fathers at a very early age in life know only too well......The loss will leave an emptiness that can never be totally filled......Perhaps that's one reason why MUSIC is so important to us and why male writers specifically mean so much to us...

Of course I don't support any executions of any kind.....Don't forget Fidel was in prison himself for about two years.....If you're going to BARK about Cuba......How come you don't discuss how another Doctor like Che.....Allende.....was FREELY AND PEACEFULLY ELECTED by the Chilean people for a Socialist government and the CIA....."Criminals In Action"....song also by American rappers Rage Against The Machine.....murdered Allende because this type of government doesn't support American interests?????......I don't want you to answer me publically I just would like you to reflect on a different perspective.....Some people in this GB would rather get into the personal business of individual posters rather than discuss Cuba but as the Canadian group Spirit Of The West sing....."Everything's Political".....anyway.....

My original post on Cuba was arts related.....and Kalervo asked about my trip in the GB. I mentioned the John Lennon Sculpture because there are some heavy duty Lennon fans here and it's music related.....Hmmmm....Does Ry Cooder, Jack Nicholson (also in the film, etc.) and the people I travelled with in support of executions because we visited Cuba and we don't have the same views as you??????.....Anyway, see the film or visit the Island and then we can email about are OWN ASSESSMENTS.....Until then...I won't post again about Cuba.....

Oh one more thing....I had the opportunity to meet and hang with people who lived in NYC and moved to Cuba and didn't return......Surely their views are valid as well....Btw....They travel outside of the country all the time because of their work....Of course there are CONTRA....DICTIONS....Even Marx wrote about the clash and unity of interests......in any political system...The last thing I want to share is what an American said in the film....I can't remember if he was a former CIA member or a former US representative in Cuba....but......He basically said that a lot of Americans almost have a psychosis when it comes to discussing Cuba......NO POINT in discussing because of the propaganda they received from their Government and heck......Cuba is a tiny Island who still has survived even with the Blockade.......The US still couldn't get to Fidel.....Too much for some Americans....Btw....When Fidel was shown visiting The New York Times he said that he believed everything that was written in their paper except.....what was written about Cuba.....Oh and Harlem was the only area in NYC which would give him a room in a hotel.....Prof Angela Davis said she'd be there no matter what because of what Fidel and Che symbolize for many peoples of the world............

My brother had a Che poster in his bedroom as a teenager but never was left of centre politically......He has also visited Vietnam and recently returned from Laos and he's also travelled to China and India....Why? He's a history scholar who also likes to make his OWN ASSESSMENTS....Shhhh....He wears Armani too!

One of my fave Ibrahim Ferrer tunes...."Marietta"...Oh and another great Dylan cover is by Rage Against The Machine....."Maggie's Farm"....


Entered at Sun Apr 27 06:59:14 CEST 2003 from 1cust87.tnt16.nyc9.temp.da.uu.net (63.38.56.87)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Cuba Discussion Site

Hey, don't feel guilty for posting about music here - our regulars are very adept at using the scroll bar!!


Entered at Sun Apr 27 06:30:53 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

PT, sorry, it's took awhile for me to get back to you. RE: Paula Jones, yeah, I mean that woman. The one who's trumped up story was thrown out of court, who was paid for years as a professional witness, who later said her born again legal team told her not to settle(to her fincail loss), who's non-story was built up by the mainstream media at the behest of the radical right(now we know, the child molesting right) etc., etc. Yeah, the one were the journalist who broke the story had said he essetaily made it up and publicly apoligized to the Clintons.The fact that She was paid off when Clinton's Monica schnaagans had cornered him is more of a point of shame to Clinton's ruthless attackers than to Clinton, as the world of Penthouse photo shoots and Celeb Kickboxing would later bare out.

As might happen with even someone of considerably more smarts than you, PT, you are getting your "Get Clinton" scams mixed up. The State Troopers story was another fabrication, where witnesses were paid through the offices of "American Spectator" (and the crooked Ted Olson) to fabricated stories that colapsed in court. All part of the 72 million dollar witchhunt that cleared Clinton on Filegate, Travelgate, Whitewater, Troopergate, Vince Foster, etc, etc, but did uncover the startling news that he didn't like to answer questions about his rather small time womanizing in public. And that, my slow witted PT, is game, set, match on the facts. On the fantasy, well, the horrid last two years of our history is the payback for a great country gone smug. Well, the Band warned us all about the legacy on small town meaness with "The Rumor."

PV, I'm trying to chase down a Marmalade "best of" CD. Have you ever seen there albums on CD?


Entered at Sun Apr 27 05:58:30 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It's great to see people who feel as I do about Christine McVie. I remember realizing that the "other" women in Fleetwood Mac was so good but was in the shadow of Stevie Nicks, to a certain degree. SN got more attention because she was a knockout. That's not to say that SN isn't without talent - but I much prefer Christine's tunes to Stevies. I can also listen her voice much longer than Stevie's vibrato whine. I even picked up CM's solo album of some years ago, and I hunted down the one she released as Christine Perfect prior to her Mac days.

Sorry to put all this music stuff on the Cuba discussion site folks.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 05:01:41 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Empty Now, Sheila, Frank Heatley, Rosalind

Empty Now: I am so happy you are here. :o)

Sheila: It's great to see another Arkansas girl around here. I'm from Blytheville in the northeast corner of Arkansas, but I live in South Carolina now. Crazy Chester sounds like a typical Arkansas eccentric! I bet Ronnie Hawkins and Levon have some great stories about him. Did you know that Levon and his band, The Barnburners, will be playing in Brinkley on May 10th? Maybe you can make the show. I look forward to hearing more from you.

Frank Heatley: Tastee Freeze...you made me want a vanilla custard ice cream cone dipped in chocolate...memories. Can you tell us more about Thurlow Brown?

Rosalind: Thanks.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 05:01:25 CEST 2003 from a68.dial.pgtc.com (69.4.195.68)

Posted by:

Sheila

Subject: Hi Charlie!

You bet there was really was a Crazy Chester. Chester was really his name, too. I've mentioned his name quite a few times to different folks in my area and you would not believe how many people were amazed to hear about a local guy mentioned in a song such as The Weight.


Entered at Sun Apr 27 04:39:18 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: opps sorry.. Pence again...I meant...


Entered at Sun Apr 27 04:28:57 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: the Mac

Peace Again...I agree with you, I always thought Chris McVie never got the credit she deserved, She has a wonderful voice, and is a good song writter in her own right.

Pluss Chris goes back to Mac before they went pop, when they were known as a British blues band. An era I liked as much if not more than the Nicks/ Buckingham era.

Mac used to close there shows with a song Chris penned if memory serves me well titled "Songbird" just her singing and playing piano, it was a show stopper to say the least...

Your right about Chris not participating on the current tour and as far as how the cd is being recieved I havn't heard although they play a song off it called "Peacekeeper" on a regular basis up here...


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Cuba

Gosh, I read that Cuba doesn't permit it's citizens to leave the island in the New York Times so maybe it's not true. I'll have to see if I can tune into Radio Havana and get the real low-down!!


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Crazy Chester & the Crackers

That's cool to know that there actually WAS a guy known as Crazy Chester. That makes me wonder if some of the other characters from the pen of J. R. Robertson were autobiographical in origin. I figure that if Robbie did write about real people early on, that must have stopped by the time of Pepote Rouge, though.

Speaking of names, I learned tonight that there was an American jazz band from around 1930 called Roy Wilson and his Georgia Crackers--so it's a good thing that our guys used the name The Band, as that "Crackers" idea wasn't so original after all...


Entered at Sun Apr 27 03:48:57 CEST 2003 from 7.42.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.42.7)

Posted by:

Pence again

Subject: mamas and papas, fleetwood mac

...I like them a lot, and Johnny Rivers too...there's something about that southern California dreamy euphoria that works for me...of course Mama Cass was the linchpin, the best singer in the group by a country mile...imagine how tough that would have been with her body at a time like that when starvation imagery was everywhere with Twiggy, etc...(not that much has changed, but I marvel at the attitudes she must have had to overcome, and her strength in doing so)

for some reason I just thought of how Christine McVie was much, much better than Stevie Nicks, in my view, but when I was in high school Stevie of course was the object of most adolescent males' wet dreams...is it true that the new Mac album has no Christine, and if so, am I right in thinking it's not very good??


Entered at Sun Apr 27 03:36:43 CEST 2003 from 7.42.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.42.7)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Checking in

The Dixie Chicks, whose tour is almost 100% sold out, heh heh heh, will play in Kansas City at Kemper Arena in a couple weeks...that's where I saw Springsteen in 2002, interestingly...I won't be at the DC show, but will give a report based on media, etc...

regarding Cuba...the only reason I've been silent on the matter is because I haven't kept up enough on the current situation to form any kind of credible opinion...and the US government and mass media are liars and distorters when it comes to Cuba--I have learned to be skeptical of them and have no reason to change...not because I think it's a "paradise" of any kind, I know better than that...but of course if we're going to get into questioning silence we could ponder why there's been no discussion here of US involvement in Guatemala...Peru...El Salvador...Nicaragua...Mexico...all governments that are corrupt as hell, in the case of Guatemala and Mexico, horrifyingly corrupt...damn right let's be critical of all politicians, Castro Bush Hussein Putin Clinton Kerry, not pick and choose...

I like to listen to people who have actually taken time and effort to visit the countries that are vilified, like Cuba, and I've been fortunate to know a few folks who've been there...they aren't Communists by a longshot, but they provide a perspective that is almost NEVER heard/seen on our supposedly free media...I visited Vietnam in 1995 and learned a few things about a country and a people who have been systematically lied about, brutalized by various authorities including their own...I don't romanticize Vietnam or Cuba, but I don't condemn them, and my first responsibility is to hold my own country and leaders to the high standard we supposedly represent...

a while back, I think Pat Brennan pointed out the absurdity of punishing artists who have been associated with "leftist" politics, where does it stop???? and I thought yeah, that movie Levon did with Steven Seagal, WHERE THE HELL does Levon get off making a movie that's critical of corporations????? let's put him on the list for the Office of Homeland Security...

was reading Bob Spitz' bio of Dylan, pretty ornery volume there...lots of juicy anecdotes, absolute irreverence toward his subject, Zimmerman doesn't come across too positively, but when Spitz gives him his due it means more...I like the vignette about Dylan visiting Michael Bloomfield during the former's Christian phase...any other views on this book???????


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Posted by:

Sheila

Subject: P.S...

I lost my train of thought from before as all three of my kids needed me at the same time. Thurlow sounded like quite a character, didn't he? My father in law told me about Crazy Chester. Chester used to walk everywhere. He wore a cheap red dime-store cowboy hat and wore his britches legs tucked into his cowboy boots. He knew everyone, and everyone knew him. It amazes me that I've been singing along with the lyrics of these songs for a long time and I'm just now learning that some of these people were right in my own backyard!


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Posted by:

Sheila

Location: Fayetteville

Subject: first timer

Thanks to Frank Heatley for the nice message about my post. I'm a first timer to this message board, and I thought I'd just step right on in and say HI to one and all. To answer his question though, No I don't know of Thurlow Brown. The first time I heard of him was in Levon's book. Those fellas are from the southern portion of Arkansas, I'm in the northwest corner. That's why it surprised me so much to learn that they were around here in my hometown so often. Small world, Huh?.. Thanks again, and I hope to talk to you all real soon.


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Posted by:

Gene

PT 109 - rammed by a Japanese destroyer, not a torpedo (at least in the movie).


Entered at Sun Apr 27 00:50:32 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-172.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.172)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject:

Empty Now- great to see you back. We missed you.

Literacy- the thing is literacy opens a door. You can try and restrict the view through that door, but you won’t ever succeed. Cuba in 1960 was full of illiterate people on the lowest subsidence level. Now they aren’t illiterate. I’m sure Fidel’s still trying to restrict the view through the door, but we know it won’t work. Once it’s open, there’s a chance for people - however the party apparatus might try to stifle that chance. In a pre-literate subsidence state, in what was a totally corrupted country, I believe the chances were less. Of course Castro’s an arsehole. He’s a politician. But I could list twenty worse ones in two minutes.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Empty Now!

Glad to have you back Buck!

Jer - You horney dog you ...ruff ruff ruff (wink)


Entered at Sat Apr 26 23:14:44 CEST 2003 from (81.22.68.149)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Thanks Lil

Thanks Lil. I withdrew myself during the two last months and, like you can read in my last post, i invested exclusively in The Band world. 24 hours a day, I had no other occupation than reading, listening, thinking, or talking about The Band, out of this website. That reminded me of a local proverb, “If you wasted your time, don’t rob the time of your neighbour”
That’s what i call a fan, never too late.

In reality, i was unable to seat beside the computer ( oh! no! the same old chorus).
Thanks Amanda and Ed for your emails.
Sorry (or how lucky you are) everybody else for my absence.

Just for the correctness...in my last post read the following sentence:
i found the article of Mr Viney which taught me all what I need about “The Weight”


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Posted by:

Håkan

Web: My link

The Band is The Band


Entered at Sat Apr 26 22:34:49 CEST 2003 from dialup-63.208.69.99.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.69.99)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

The irony of quoting Zappa--who made it a point to speak out at governmental interference in music--is delicious.

I truly am enjoying observing people's need to tell celebrities to stop talking about politics when those same people seem so intent on doing nothing but that here.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 21:53:28 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Ahh shucks..Roz, I was hopping that you and Amanda were gonna pull a little hair, heck maybe even hop into the mud pit...damm now I'm gonna have to make sure I watch Springer... oh well...


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Amanda ..

I'm sorry Amanda, upon closer inpection with my contacs in, you are absolutely right. The "vonvicker" is in the "to" box I'm glad you didn't send it ...I like you. I get some nasty email from folks concerning this place but maybe none of them actually post ...


Entered at Sat Apr 26 21:43:37 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: Mamas and the Papas

I'm reading a interesting article about former Mama/Papa singer Denny Doherty in the local newspaper.

He's doing a show titled "Dream a Little Dream" described as a cross between a VH1 Behind the Music and a nightclub act. Doherety says, the songs, the music, tell the story. I'm just filling in the spaces.

I was to young to really remember them in 1966 but what incrediable music these folks made. I've seen the VH1 bio on them, unfortunatley another group with a sad ending, but for two years or so what a great sound.

It sounds like Doherty tells of the good times and the bad times as well. At one point admitting that he is ashamed he spurned Cass Elliots affection: "she weighed 300 pounds and I wasn't enough of a man to get past that.

He goes on to credit Cass for her importance: "Am I telling tales out of school? No, he goes on to say: "everyones writting there books saying I did this and I did that. But it was all her. she was the one who put it together".

I wouldn't say I'm a great fan of theres but when "Monday, Monday" comes on the local oldies station how can ya help but sing along....


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Pehr

No hard feelings on this end at all. I am really just pretty insane and should not be held responsible. I enjoy a good arguement, I got that from my Grandma. Really If I pissed anyone off, sorry, I have a strange view of the world, too cynical I think. Old dog syndrome. Can't/won't change ........


Entered at Sat Apr 26 20:46:35 CEST 2003 from 1cust118.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.118)

Posted by:

Addendum

Location: The Front Lawn

Those recent "terrorist executions" underscore that the U.S.'s policy regarding Cuba is a correct one and prove that Castro has not mellowed but retains his iron grip upon the citizens of Cuba through perpetual intimidation.


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: DAVE ALVIN

Ben- what the hey we argee on something, Dave Alvin is just pure great. I also really enjoy Buddy and Julie Miller. I think Julie is the best song writer around. Classic. I upped my meds and have calmed down some. See you all at the next Barnburner show


Entered at Sat Apr 26 20:42:03 CEST 2003 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: pete T

Pete T. sorry we dont agree.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 20:26:55 CEST 2003 from 1cust118.tnt16.nyc9.temp.da.uu.net (63.38.56.118)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Cuba Si! / Castro No!

Gee, it looks like I was left off the list to recieve that Bush/Hitler thing - thought I'd be at the top. Maybe it's because I didn't vote for Bush and am not a Republican. (I think Castro/Hitler would be a better pairing though.)

Castro's literacy campaign? Why would anyone in Cuba want to be able to read when you can only read what the government permits you to read like Marx and Engels? Fun reading!!

As for music, the very talented Cuban jazz pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba, who blends Latin flavors with Bill Evans style keyboard work, has been permitted to perform here by the State Dept. in recent years though he was initially barred from doing so. And I'm sure the State Dept. would permit any Cuban musicians to enter the U.S. to play with Ry Cooder - though Castro I'm certain would not permit them to leave as they'd probably never return.


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: JFK

JFK wrote two books? as told to Pierre Sallinger? Sorry, JFK never wrote or had an original thought in his life. Not one. Thanks for continuing perhaps the biggest American Myth, the JFK Presidency. Not in one of my posts will you find anything good to say about politicans, Bush included, nice attempt to put me on the other side of the fence.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 20:03:08 CEST 2003 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: pete T

Pete T. JFK wrote two books that I know of, "While England Slept" and "Profiles in Courage".

Last I checked the PT 109 was indeed hit by a torpedo and sank While JFK was on board. He didn't have to lie about being a pilot in the Natl' guard, etc...


Entered at Sat Apr 26 19:41:16 CEST 2003 from dialin-138-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.138)

Posted by:

Gene

What exactly is the deal with Dumb-ya and this "war against tourism"...

What? Oh, 'terrorism'???

Nevermind...and God Bless 'Murka'


Entered at Sat Apr 26 17:32:59 CEST 2003 from cache-hki-6.inet.fi (194.251.240.114)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Music to be grounded by...and uplifted

Brown Eyed Girl and Dave Z.: Many thanks for Jerry Alfred and Holly McNarland. I am listening Holly through Kazaa, a passionate songstress...want to listen her more.. from Jerry I listened some clips,I must check him too, the real keeper of the song.

J.Tull Fan:Not WAR, although it was a fine band, too. I have even seen it, without Eric. But WOR, really strong Native rap group...World music is so rich in variety, not just polkas.Wonderful fado queens from Portugal: Dulce Ponte, Mariza, Misia, Hawaiian slack key masters, ah.. list is endless..

I wholly agree with Peter V. what he said about Cuba.


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: More On Ben

Ben- Am I to understand that pedophiles are only Right Wing Christians? That only the Left engages in proper sexual conduct? Oh Thats right John Wayne Gaisey was a Democratic fund raiser. Almost forgot that. I wonder what its like to look through rose colored (communist pink) sun glasses where everthing is so damn clear for you. Could you send me a pair? I find you a very fascinating man, please write when you find work...........


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Rosalind

Rosalind: I know what you are talking about now. I got the same Bush/Hitler email that you did. It was from hrsev@lycos.ru . I did not send it to you. I don't send emails to anyone without identifying myself.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 16:56:27 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Crabgrass, P. Viney, and for Bill, TLW on an airplane!

Peter: I agree with your position on Cuba 99% in your last post as it is very similar to my own view on the subject, but Crabby has a very valid point which I raised a short while ago. Some in the Cuba Fan Club out here, who are quick to write a rosy travelogue of the island while ignoring the darker side, are just as quick to take the 'head in the sand' pacifist view on other pertinent issues of the day. So it is incongruous, that's all. BILL/TLW: Let's see, we don't know if TLW was ever shown on an airliner, but we can recreate the experience. It is 1979 shortly after that DC-10 lost an engine and crashed on takeoff in Chicago, so you, the traveler, are a little apprehensive. You down a few scotches at the airport lounge to give you 'boarding courage', and you are pleasently surprised to see TLW as the feature film. As the movie starts, you notice that the screen (in the days prior to mini-lcd drop-down tv's)has a greenish hue, but hey, you can deal. But wait, you have sound only from one side of your headphones, and that is of the scratchy telephone quality variety. Oh, well. Your buzz gets you grooving to the opening chords of DOn't Do It and Cripple Creek. But then the in-flight service is slow, and your buzz starts to wear off. You notice that the story of 'more p**** than Frank Sinatra' has been edited out so as not to offend. Then, just as Richard starts telling some of his best antecdotes, the captain interrupts the sound to announce turbulence and please buckle your seatbelt. Finally, the movie comes back on and you've missed some of 'Old Time Religion'. But that's ok, the service cart is coming your way and you can grab a couple coctails and get back to watching the 'green version' of TLW, but Lo! Some idiot who has to use the bathroom gets up after the cart passes him, so all he can do is stand in the aisle, and make 6 inches per minute as you miss some of the best scenes! Then, the stewardess tires of his standing on alternate legs, and moves the car to the other side of the plane (and past you!) to let him pass.You are now watching the Staples and Emmylou Harris, but with your buzz gone you are no longer in the spirit of the film, and the scratchy sound and green tint are just pissing you off. Finally, the service cart comes to you and the stewrdess gives you a dirty look becuae you do not have exact change. There is more turbulence so the pilot shuts the movie off. Your buzz comes back, and so does the film, but it is now the end credits. The pilot announces the remainder of the trip should be smooth, and to please enjoy the next feature: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, featuring the BEe Gees!. Suddenly, the color balance is correct, but you throw your headphones down in disgust. Fortunately for you, your seatmate says 'cool, something good!', and you can hear there headphones, sound cranked all the way up, for the duration of the flight. See what we missed!


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Posted by:

Lil

Thanks to everyone who was nice enough to comment on my intimate night (me and 20,000 other people :-) with Billy Joel and Elton John. It's funny how when something musical touches us so much, this is the first place alot of us want to share it with. I had the pleasure (as I posted a few years ago) to meet Billy Joel in a restaurant, but had never seen him onstage (a strange thing for a former Long Island girl to say :-) I found him to be charming and very easy to talk to. I can't tell you all how much finally seeing him perform meant to me. So thanks.. for letting me share.

Empty Now!!! Where have you been?? We missed you. Welcome back!

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 16:32:30 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Roz: I'm on a fast right now... but you are right about "serious"... I was just daydreaming about spending some time in the GB archives... and everytime I would seesaw something that really bothered me... I would then jump back here... flame... and then quick pop back... After I read the first entry, I was tempted to come back here and post about the future perils... and tell Jan he must shut this place down right away... but then I realized I just needed food... and I really had to pretend hard anyway to really be bothered... I finally finished that Patchen book... not bad, and lots of talk about food too... anyway, hot caramel on DQ softserve sounds great right now... think I'll go listen to Jeff's CD again...

Let's see, with the money going down a hole... and the SARS scare in Toronto... I think I need only one more wacky thing to get the needed push to hit the road again... well, and I got to work heavily on the wife... major voodoo and trickery... any negotiating strategies? Anybody? Roz, you're terrified of seeing a live show so you're close to fear? Nay, I think it's hopeless at this point...

Kalvero, I'm gonna bit the bullet... and try some Am Ind flute music on my next CD purchase... Has anybody picked up the John Platania CD off of the Woodstock Records site?...


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Ben Pike (again)

Ben, Were my points on your buddy Bill Clinton a little a close to home? I was so looking forward to matching wit's with you, but I guess you would have to have one to match up with me............


Entered at Sat Apr 26 15:45:58 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Catfight


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Rosalind

Bush/Hitler...what are you talking about? Listen...sister girl...I don't think I've been the one around here to let you get under my skin.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 12:23:27 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-158.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.158)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Fleetwood Mac & Cuba

The new Fleetwood Mac is out here on Monday and is the first UK simultaneous CD / DVD-Audio release. Question is which one do you get? I’m very impressed with 5.1 sound on Rumours, but if I want to listen to something on 5.1 it’s kind of a formal event – while CD might be on while I’m working, or in the car. You think if they went to the trouble of conceiving the record as 5.1 from the outset, it might be pretty good. Hmm.

Crabbie- the silence about the Cuban executions, is so what do you say? I don’t think anyone ever imagined that Fidel was a saint. I taught Cuban teachers and was told that the great literacy campaign (his great acheivement in moving literacy from under 10% to 98% in a few years) was partly a fake: literacy was sometimes classed as being able to copy your own name when they were desperate for statistics. But it was partly real too. The 10 to 98% was bullshit, but it might have been 10% lifted to 70%. Sure, he’s got blood on his hands. After two decades (quoting the article) of comparative quiet, he’s got them wet again. The point was that the “pariah regime” bit is 40 years old, and in those 40 years both the USA and UK have cuddled up nice and close to so many regimes and dictators who completely dwarf Castro. That’s been true locally in Latin America, let alone the world. The US stance on Cuba is totally disproportionate, and preventing Ry Cooder from making more music with great Cuban musicians is extremely petty. I see those photos of Ceaucescu shaking hands with the Queen … the 1980s selling WMD to Iraq … but Fidel still remains the great Satan. While the missile crisis of FORTY years ago is held up as the reason, there are many who suspect that the expulsion of the Mob and their close political associates from their investments was his truly unforgiveable sin. I mean you can travel to Russia, who supplied those 1962 missiles, but not to Cuba? Logical? Look at how the Berlin Wall fell, look at how China has changed over ten years. The secret is dialogue - communication and contact, not a freeze out. That’s what the rest of the world is doing. Musically, Cuba is a major crossroads culture – like the Southern USA, Jamaica and Brazil- where African and Western forms have blended. Cuba, like the other three, is a major distinct blend. I suggest sitting down with the Ry Cooder / Manuel Galban, relaxing and enjoying what Cuba has to offer! I personally loathe cigar smoke and rum, so I won’t recommend any accompaniments.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 12:01:01 CEST 2003 from (212.31.242.117)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: The Weight

Someone in my close neighborhood told me recently about my “special interest to The Band”…pfff!!!…..
Then the same Someone let me understand, in a subtle manner, on the necessity of reading some work of William Faulkner in order to appreciate “The Weight”.
I was first surprised. That’s the kind of link i never needed before to enjoy the voice/bass/drums of Rick/Levon, the piano/organ of Richard/Garth, and the guitar of Robbie.
So i was sad for all that poor people who will never get entire satisfaction when listening to “The Weight”, because they didn’t read the complete work of William Faulkner before.
After the surprise, and my disappointment about my ignorance, I was really afraid thinking of reading about a tenth of a Faulkner’s book.
Fortunately, i got the precaution to look for something related in this website, i found the article of Mr Viney which taught me better than any other source about “The Weight” .
Thanks God there is a Jan site.

Footnote: Things are much more easy with The Beatles....…Yeah! Yeah! Yeah...!!!!!


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Posted by:

frank heatley

Location: ireland

in the midst ofthe heaviness which manifests itself here from time to time, it was nice to see that concise post from sheila ....did ya all know that ole cat Thurlow Brown, Levon speaks very fondly off him...the Tastee Freeze that is were Levon saved Robbie from A sound thrashing in much more simpler times....Sandy Helm by the way is a real lady. have a nice saturday everybody [i,m at work]


Entered at Sat Apr 26 09:02:58 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Subject (optional)

Ben -Wanna play the 'dozens'? Remember what happened last time we played the dozens? Don't push me boy !

Amanda - -I musta really got under your skin. I've seen that Bush / Hitler deal before tho ... make it something more original next time. okay? Thanks Babe!

Dave - Would you trade some really cool blues lyrics for a bowl of soft-serve vanilla ice cream with hot caramel sauce? I'll supply the smoother. I make caramel sauce with good ol' Kentucky bourbon. Never let spirits boil, it cooks out the alcohol content. Cook the caramel to hard stage, add the whiskey off the heat to create the right syrupy consistency. Delicious!

People take this guestbook deal far too seriously........... Loosen Up Folks, this place is too much like real life to be worth hardly a passing glance.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I think it's time for everyone to step back - and take a breath. I'll do it.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 06:22:04 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Roz, why don't you in the Paula Jones/ Jesus fan club get the child molestation problems in your own house under control before deciding what is going on in Pete's head! Lord, the boy who bankrolled the whole Paula Jones media assault, picking up teenage runaways to take dirty photos of them! Well, the sickness of the American right is always there for those willing to look. So don't change the subject, the low morals of Bible belt types are well known, always overflowing out of the pot of sludgy right wing stew for all to see.

Been checking out Dave Alivn's "Public Domain", it grows on you. Wins a place on the shelf next to the Harry Smith.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 05:54:41 CEST 2003 from 1cust217.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.217)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Bob & Band / People's Paradise

There would never have been any Band as we know it without Dylan.

I knew the Havanaphiles would clam up on the "terrorist execution" issue. Ha!!


Entered at Sat Apr 26 05:46:40 CEST 2003 from (213.190.156.96)

Posted by:

John Hartery

Location: Dublin, Ireland
Web: My link

One of my all-time favourite groups, I always felt going with Dylan was a drawback.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 04:49:59 CEST 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612787.sympatico.ca (65.93.193.154)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Daniel Lanois' SHINE, strange? Well....some tunes are inspired by Eno...so......Anyway, "I Love You" with Emmylouuu..."Falling At Your Feet" was written with Bono and they perform song together...."Sometimes"....starts with one groove and then just like that he fools ya like Dylan....."Slow Giving"....Sensitive Daniel....I really like the ambient flavoured tunes.....not surprised.....Daniel really respects and likes where Eno comes from.....I also like the fact that Eno worked with Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music...On a personal note...One time a friend had me over for the night....just listening to Eno.....purpose was to soothe and get lost in large musical spaces.....Friends know what you need....

Canadian Legends Muse Over Music....Similarities Abound for Robertson and Lanois

It would seem Robbie Robertson and Daniel Lanois are kindred spirits. The two men, who both spoke this weekend as part of Canadian Music Week, have built their careers slipping between popular rock and personal esoterica.

While Robertson was a founding member of The Band, Lanois served as a producer for Peter Gabriel and U2. Robertson's solo work explored his aboriginal roots, while Lanois, from Hull, Quebec (moved to Hamilton, Ontario when parents separated) has drawn on traditional Quebecois music for his own projects. Robertson has worked as musical supervisor on Martin Scorsese films since "Raging Bull", while Lanois wrote the score for the Billy Bob Thornton film "Sling Blade". (Check out "Lonely One", "Secret Place" and "Darlin") The similarities abound, and the two legends recognize their kinship. When Robertson returned to recording in 1987 after an 11-year hiatus, it was Lanois he asked to co-produce the album.

As Robertson worked silently behind the conference scenes, Lanois took to the stage. In addition to taping a performance for Bravo! and participating in an intimate performance and discussion of his work at the Canadian Music Week conference on Friday afternoon, Lanois played a sold-out set at the El Mocambo on Saturday night.

Robertson offered his own insight into why Canadians have been internationally successful. The secret, he mused, is our cold winters. "Maybe it's just we had nothing else to do, because we couldn't go outside. It's a bit of mystery why so much good music has come out of Canada, but boy, am I proud of that."

After I saw Robbie for the second time at CMW....I met someone from one of the entertainment papers who was hanging around and we started talking.....As we were about to catch the streetcar to go out for dinner he told us that he was on his way to see Daniel Lanois play at the El Mocambo.....Well.....I don't BEG!!!!.....(Some of you still don't get it...)....I told him with desolate brown eyes that we couldn't get tickets because the show was sold out for a long time and when I met Daniel....again.....I couldn't beg him for a ticket......So the person from the media said come with me.....Well....since the Club isn't far from where I live, I didn't have anything to lose....I needed to see Daniel perform again and at the time there was a rumour that Robbie might drop by........Well....my dinosaur camera saved the day.....I showed him my camera and he said....Great....I'll get you in as my camera person.....Ha, ha, ha.....Laughing.....'cause I got in and felt so good listening and groovin' to Daniel and Brian Blade that night.....powerful combination......You don't know who to look at...both musicians hypnotized me.....Powerful Positive People Energy.....bouncing off the walls...and connecting with people who are open to positive vibrations...:-D

Thanks to Emmylouuuuu....saw her at Lilith Fair and Concert Against Landmines....exposed me to Brian Blade and Julie Miller....Daniel mentions Julie as one of his helpful friends as well as Brian Eno and Bono in SHINE...Btw....Does anyone know what Daniel's sister..Jocelyn.....is doing these days? I only know her from playing bass at one time in Toronto's Crash Vegas....

Hubert Sumlin and Billy Branch as I post....and Howlin' Wolf.....Kalervo....I think Boomkat's...."Wasting My Time" is ok.....But I still think Robbie should have supported Holly McNarland who is part Native herself and originally from Winnipeg, Canada....I saw her on the same bill as Kingston, Ontario's Moist...She has amazing records out but with Robbie's experience and drive....Everyone would know her...instead of Dana Glover and Boomkat.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 04:25:39 CEST 2003 from (69.4.195.230)

Posted by:

Sheila

Location: Fayetteville, AR

Subject: Six Degrees of Separation

Been a big fan of The Band 4 a long time. Got to looking back at their history and found out a lot of things. A good friend is related directly to Ronnie Hawkins. Friend of my husbands is related to Levon's wife. The Band frequented the Iris Hotel, Tastee Freeze and the Rockwood Club here in Fayetteville. My mom in law was a waitress at the Rockwood and have met them all! Crazy Chester is from here too! Everyone here knows about him. WOW!


Entered at Sat Apr 26 03:36:42 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.68)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Cousin Paul

Well folks, the next time you get to feeling down about the relatives you've been burdened with, just think of how poor old Rick Danko must have felt… ;-)


Entered at Sat Apr 26 03:03:03 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Paulg, I've also got some video... of my little gitar player strumming and singing... mixing the words to both Gimmie A Stone... and Baby, Don't You Do It...

Kalervo, I've been enjoying Jerry Alfred and the Medicine Beat... Etsi Shon (Grandfather Song)... As I posted a while back, he actually uses the swishing of a canoe paddle as a rhythm guitar or at least it sounds that way to me on one track... I am constantly checking johntrudell.com hoping I don't miss his next swing thru here... I agree with you about the new world music... but I have to say that I still love picking up new recommendations about older music from the chatter that goes on here... Music like Miles Davis and the Band fits in rather nicely with any decade...

Lil: It was nice to read your post about the Joel/John show... and hear you had such a good time...


Entered at Sat Apr 26 02:42:04 CEST 2003 from 1cust148.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.148)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Joe McCarthy

Fan of Joe McCarthy? I don't think so!! Hey, I praised Pete Seeger right here in the GB while others dumped on him!

Also, one of my all time fave comedy recordings is of a CBC radio play called "The Investigator" which was a parody of Sen. McCarthy's illustrious career. It was broadcast live in the 50s and an off-the-air tape by a listener was eventually released on Broadside Records. It is broadcast live on WBAI-NYC (not Rush Limbaugh's station) annually which is where I first heard it in the 60s.

Anyone else familiar with this?

[BTW I actually have "a list of names" whereas Joe didn't!!]


Entered at Sat Apr 26 02:35:21 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: music

Congrats Kerry - and what a nice, postive, happy, Band, music related post your's was to read in this current GB climate. Thanks for letting us know.

I was just imagining a collaboration between Billy Joel and Garth. That would be some very interesting keyboard music. I wonder if anyone's ever asked Billy about Garth in an interview. I'd love to hear his take on Honeyboy. Big Pink came out right about the time BJ was getting his feet wet in bands here on Long Island.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 02:35:08 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Once and for all: it's St. CathArines, not St. CathErines. (I just realized that I am staring to sound like my parents....yikes!)


Entered at Sat Apr 26 01:17:54 CEST 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp98244.sympatico.ca (216.209.69.97)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Richard

Sorry folks for Richard!!! I live 10 miles up the highway from St. Catherines and I did not know that there was a mental institute so close to Niagara Falls, and they also supplied the PATIENTS with the Internet. Take your med's Richard. Going to see The Downchild Blues Band tonight. I hope that Richard doesn't show up after reading this post; I can't find my stupid proof vest!! The Blues Brothers Movie's were writen about Richard(Hock)and Donnie Walsh(Downchild Blues Band). Sorry about the post, Canadian's are GOOD people as you all know. Say a prayer for Richard. Woodstock people,See you in town,23-26 May. Peace Love Paul.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 01:05:45 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Thanks Chicks

My son just went off to the bathroom with the Dixie Chicks cover, I think he is tring to rub one off. Might take awhile he is only 9...... Thanks for more ammo in my quest to the right this wrong world ....... Homer Simpson indeed


Entered at Sat Apr 26 00:54:54 CEST 2003 from p402-017.ppp.get2net.dk (195.82.212.145)

Posted by:

Morten Ulrik Pedersen

Location: Denmark, Copenhagen, Christianshavn, Bagsvaerd
Web: My link

Subject: Kind Regards

Yesterday evening 25-4-03: Seeing " The Last Walz" Remember: 1972-1974: A great introduktion to american folk/rock music for a danish youngster. The Band will ever live!


Entered at Sat Apr 26 00:45:41 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Chickies and Iraq

I saw the DC cover. Whenever I here Rock Stars open there mouth I can only think of Homer Simpson - "Ah Rock Stars, is there anything they don't know." I like the DC's but this whole "thing" is a joke. It's a joke that people responded the way they did and a bigger joke that they have to resort to quasi-intelligent marketing/promotional gimic's to try and restore their image. I mean please - Diane Sawyer interviews (now make sure you shed a tear of remorse) and this cover shot. Don't they know that if you just let the Sheeple graze, they will soon forget about it and move on to the next inane controversy.

On Iraq - knock, knock..., Hello, Pandora, ya in there. Come on out, we want to play. ( Now I know this rope I bought off that Leprechaun is gonna work).


Entered at Sat Apr 26 00:20:13 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: CHICKS ON THE COVER

Ok, Help me if you can. I am at a complete loss as to why they posed naked on the cover of this magazine. I Am serious, I think it maybe body doubles also. What are they saying? this is so deep. It is almost like when Madonna gets all political on us and its takes me months to figure out the why and where of it all. Is it "We are just helpless"chicks" and please buy our records again"? Or is it " we are the real victims here, not all the innocent Iraq's that our nasty Presedent killed" See this is going to take me a long time to figure out, please help me...... In the words of the Late Great Frank Zappa "Shut up and play your guitars" ......................................


Entered at Sat Apr 26 00:10:31 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-230-49.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.230.49)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John W, I just noticed Ray Pence's observations on your less than critical eye. Entertaining. Keep those misadventures a'comin'.

Whether I agree with the Dixie Chicks or not, I do find their provocative actions a lot more interesting than most of what passes through these days. Although Big Don Rumsfeld's warning that he ain't puttin' up with no Islamic fundamentalist stuff in Iraq is an equally interesting line in the sand, so to speak.


Entered at Sat Apr 26 00:09:07 CEST 2003 from tow40dhcp369.towson01.md.comcast.net (68.33.41.113)

Posted by:

Kerry Schaffner

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Thanks everyone!!

I just wanted to thank everyone who gave me information and guidance for my school paper a week or 2 ago. Today I received my paper back and my professor gave me an A. He also now likes me a lot because he apparently is a die hard Band fan (which I had no idea about). He talked to me after class and said my paper was a "Heart-warming and great tribute to a superb band. Great work."


Entered at Fri Apr 25 23:59:36 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

How about if they shaved and said, "Read My Lips - No More Bush!"


Entered at Fri Apr 25 23:36:48 CEST 2003 from custnets-66-43-82-136.rinc.net (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

DP: I suppose the answer to that question could include some variation on "I see you've recovered from your embarassment about Texas Bushes..."


Entered at Fri Apr 25 23:32:50 CEST 2003 from dialup-0992.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.147.224)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Helpin' out around The 'hood

"O Beautiful for Spacious Skies

for Amber Waves of Grain

For Purple Mountain Majesty

Above The Fruited Plain

America America

God Shed Gods Grace on Thee

and Crown thee good

with Fine Neighborhoods

From Sea to Shining Sea....."

There's absolutely NOTHING about Iraq, Mesopotamia or The "Middle" "East" or North Korea or Cuba in those words......

(OK OK so I Changed the lyrics to make God Sexless and turned "Brotherhood" into "Neighborhood"...)

(and Yes Yes, I live in Cork City, Ireland Blah Blah Blah)

Oh well....

here goes again....All Hail Global America!

HEAR GLOBAL AMERICA!(check out My Link)

Good 'ole Shameless Capitalistic Imperialistic self-promo on my part

May you be Safe From Terrorists and Warmongers Wherever You Are

...... and May The Music of The Band show how Beautiful North America really is and Set You Free.......


Entered at Fri Apr 25 23:17:56 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

The Chicks are pretty smart. I'm feeling so much sympathy for all their tears, and so mesmerized by their naked skin, I already forgot what I was angry with them for! (heh heh)


Entered at Fri Apr 25 23:07:48 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Or, David, you could say something like, "Excuse me for staring. I'm reading those slogans."


Entered at Fri Apr 25 22:59:43 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: In the Georgia pines

Subject: this, that & the other

Donna: The song "Magnolia", not to be confused with the Dead's "Sugar Magnolia", was written by J.J. Cale. It was included on his album "Naturally", on which "Crazy Mama" and "After Midnight" also appeared.

The musical question of the day, and one I've often pondered, is: "What do you say to three naked Dixie Chicks?" -- "Are you two really sisters?" -- or "I guess y'all are from Texass." (:-)


Entered at Fri Apr 25 22:48:22 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

As JTF says, it is annoying when you're asked to shut out the view so that others can watch the latest in the Selection of Hollywood's Worst Movies that airlines appear to choose from. Then, having complied, you get to feel like a kid sneaking a peak every once in a while. Anyway, to tell you the truth, I did once see a good movie on a plane - the rock one based on the Cameron Crowe story. Has TLW ever flown, to anyone's knowledge?


Entered at Fri Apr 25 21:30:52 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John D., planes and Elton/B.Joel

John, yes, you are right about the ventilation. Perhaps they can figure a way to make those drop-down oxygen bags (I hope I never see!)coin operated for when you need some fresh air! What really bugs me too, is when you are about to fly over something breathtaking, like the Grand Canyon or the Rockies, and the stewardess instructs everyone to close the shades so that a rerun of 'Frasier'will be visible on the 5 inch drop-down tv's! Priorities!!! ELTON/JOEL- One of the top ten shows of ever been to. Highly recommended and two very complimentary artists.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 21:09:17 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.6)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: bob, John D.

bob: I believe your question is something of a red herring bob, my issues are all with the U.S. as aggressor. My criticism is directed at “War” and “Bush”. A Bush without a War is like a day without sunshine ;-) Let's move it to e-mail OK?...

John D.: Well obviously I don't know you either (though we've exchanged e-mails a few times and had several conversations in here). The comment you are referring to was a response to one of your posts expressing shame for not joining the U.S. in Iraq and you're wanting to attain a Green Card as a result. Check the archives if your memory escapes you.

OK I think I've answered everyone. I'm going to bed. It's 3 AM in China :-) rich.patterson@excite.com


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:54:59 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Lil: The Billy/Elton tour came through North Carolina recently, and it was the highest grossing event of the year. They sold more tickets than McCartney, Dave Matthews and even our own beloved James Taylor. Those guys are true professionals, and put on quite a show. I also like the fact that they,like the Stones, will play some of their obscure songs to please their die-hard fans.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:42:09 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: John W.........GOOD ONE!!


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:38:54 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Bob Wigo & JTull Fan

Want to cover both here is that's OK. First Bob...no apology is ever needed from you. I don't know Richard; but he is the one who took shots at me for saying that we should have joined the U.S. in the recent war with Iraq. If fact he told me I should move to the U.S. if I loved it there so much. If I were 25 years younger (and this does not reflect on my feelings about Canada which I love) I probably would. People like The Band, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Dan Ackroyd, the late John Candy.....I could go on and on.......still love this country; but choose to live in the United States; which is the capitol of the world for the entertainment industry.

Jtull I'm with you on turning off the ventilation over top of me in the airplane. As you know it is a proven fact that when smoking was allowed on airplanes the air was in fact much safer. When smoking was done away with they cut down on the "clean air" ventilation in a major way to cut costs on fuel. Here's one for you and I just heard this the other day. Some people; who like ourselves know that airlines have cut back over the years are now challenging the flight team in a civilized way to please turn up the ventilation pretty please. This has not been met with a lot of smiling faces from the airline industry who are already hurting. I'm wondering in the future if someone contacts Sars or whatever after a flight.....just might go after the airline for refusing to use maximum "clean air."

We are hoping to get a reversal from the WHO on Tuesday. There hasn't been a new case in days and I believe that things are now getting under control. It was announced a few hours ago that Billy Joel and Elton John are still coming on Monday night and are not worried.

My plan is to bring Serge and Peter Viney to Toronto to stay in the same hotel room. That should make everyone feel safe :o)


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:38:05 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.6)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: John W.

John W.: Nice one :-))


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:35:58 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

While it is clearly unlikely Canada will be the aggressor it is more than likely Canada could become a target. These times do not allow for a parochial point of view. Nothing arrogant about the facts Richard.

If, God forbid, you find yourself in a horrible situation as a result of a terroristic act, will you be refusing help from American rescue workers or military personnel? Just curious.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:34:15 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Canada Joke - Two guys from Toronto died and went to hell. After a while the Devil came to check up on them. Despite the heat, they were sitting there snugly dressed with parkas, mittens, etc... They explained to the Devil, "We are enjoying the weather, we don't get much heat up in Canada, eh." The Devil gets mad, turns up the heat as high as it will go. Yet the next day, all the other people are seriously frying, the two Canadian guys are still all bundled up and enjoying the heat. "Like we told you, we come from the land of snow, we are still getting used to the nice climate here." Now the Devil gets really angry. He decides, in order for these guys to be miserable, they will have to feel that icy cold again. So he turns the temperature as cold as it would get. The next day, he sees the two guys laughing, happy as ever. Astonished, he asks them why the cold does not bother them. "Oh it's not that", they replied. "It's just that since Hell has frozen over, we know the Maple Leafs must have won the Stanley Cup!"


Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:28:03 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.6)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: bob / Sam

bob: All of my posts are an attempt to stay in good humor while addressing the issues. Hence the cartoons. I have no problem with Americans, my problems lies with the U.S. government officials who represent your interests to the world. All of the cartoons I have posted came from U.S. sources. Not Canadian. I don't think I'm out of line bringing to GB reader's attention a point of view shared by a good number of U.S. citizens that I happen to agree with. It's called “the other half of the story“. What I found arrogant about your post was the "don't come whining to us when you're in trouble" attitude that I was sensing from you. As if Canada didn't come to help the U.S. after 9/11. The fact is bob, Canada is unlikely to require U.S. military assistance to attack some other country because it is very unlikely that we would take it upon ourselves to change the regimen of some non-threat country that doesn't mirror our values.

Bayou Sam: What is this? Blood lust? A little cheap shot on your part maybe? I keep telling you I'm a nice guy ;-)


Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:39:23 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: I can't help a little comment

You get him Bob. He is good at throwing a jab and then laying low for awhile.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:39:14 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

I overlooked that "wink". If it was intended as good natured, please accept my apology.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:36:42 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

Richard,

Respectfully.....what part of either post do you deem arrogant? You have taken countless cheap shots at the U.S. and now, upon challenge, you deem me arrogant.

So be it.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:08:41 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bill J.

To Bill, I didn't know you copyrighted my first name just as I don't know who you are or how long you've been posting here. The last thing I want to do is play games with you. Now go pound sand.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 18:26:18 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.142)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: bob

You crack me up bob. Your arrogance has no limits ; -) Thanks for the chuckle.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:35:25 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: World/Native music for Kalervo

To answer your question, I think because those genres are so fragmented. However, I think that is a good thing because it maintains their integrity to a degree. Wor. Did you mean War? If so, then I enjoy them quite a bit. Ethnic music? I had almost too much of that growing up, ie. of the 'woopie-doopie in heaven there is no beer' polka variety!


Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:27:02 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

That's great news about Pete Townsend. I've been wondering what happened with that whole thing - and isn't it typical of the press to want to get what they can on someone like Pete when he's in trouble, but it's no big deal that his life is in fact, NOT going to be destroyed.

"people love it when you lose - we need dirty laundry".

Pete will probably turn out some interesting music from this experience.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:26:05 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: More of my CRAP

Ben-Ben-Ben, Of course I am superior in my moral fiber. I am born and raised in New Hampshire, "LIVE FREE OR DIE" It is amazing that you site the Paula Jones case, correct me if I am wrong here Ben, Was not that the one where your Hero Bill Clinton had his bodyguards (Arkansas State Troopers) round up a young Paula Jones and pull his pants down and wave "lil Bill"in her face?????? In hopes that she would go the same way a young Monica Lewinsky went????? How many woman had to endure this perverts advances ???? The ultimate lie Ben, Cheating on ones wife. I await your answer


Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:16:21 CEST 2003 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.251.240.113)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Not just reliving 70' s again and again and again and again...

I understand that this kind of guest book is so much reliving the glory days of the Band, but I always wish that there will be more posts on other musical viewpoints, too.

Like: How come so few people are interested in Native music, and in general ethnic music, although Robbie has opened ears even here? To me for instance Spotted Eagle is perhaps my favorite musician today...I have seen many, many posts on really average whitey bands from far past (where they belong), but how many on for example Walela, Ulali, Burning Sky, or WOR which are making wonderful music TODAY?!!

The world is full of wonderful music. If you open your heart to Native music, you are going to be curious on many other areas in world music...Result: 70' s is looking more and more too exposed and boring....



Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:07:27 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

Richard,

Your flippant response in no way diminishes the reality of the situation. You have made several anti-American statements here and that is your right. My point is, under current world circumstances, you may well find your self in a rather tricky dilemma when some of the shit hits your own fan.

I hope for you, all Canadians and all world citizens that it doesn't come to that....But don't be so quick as to rule it out. As I said earlier, if and when the time comes, be sure to clearly identify yourself as someone who doesn't need the help of the United States.

On a lighter note...I'm not sure I would take too much comfort in the fact that you could beat up a few Frenchmen.

'Nuf said.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:40:41 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.148)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: bob

bob w: I don't think Canada will need U.S. military assistance to kick the shit out of Quebec, but thanks for the offer.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:29:45 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: PutEmUp (Jeff), Nancy

I haven't listened to many songs by Gram Parsons, but I plan on hearing everything I can. I'm too much of a novice to compare the quivers at this point. I do have to say that I am a huge Jimmie Dale fan. I happened to see him perform on Austin City Limits in the early nineties and I was literally mesmerized by his voice. I ran out and purchased his new record at the time, After Awhile. I listened to it constantly and was completely blown away by him. I have almost everything he has recorded, including the new Flatlanders cd...unfortunately I don't have any of their old stuff. Jimmie Dale, for me, is right up there with Levon, Guy Clark and Bob Dylan. I can't wait for all my Flying Burrito Brothers stuff to appear in my mailbox. I am so looking forward to the journey.

Nancy: I agree, Kasey Chambers is amazing. I first noticed her video, "Am I Pretty Enough", on CMT. I love "Don't Talk Back"...I have shared that song with many of my friends. I believe she has had some vocal problems and has cancelled a few U.S. dates. I would really enjoy seeing her live.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:29:24 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: George 'slept here' Washington

Bill: He was a Southerner, having been a Virginian all his life, although 'Southerner' & 'Northerner' became much more common as terms after his death, so he may have defined himself as 'Virginian'. On the OIL PRICE question, the Saudis put millions/months worth of oil stocks in tankers and set them to sea prior to the Iraqi war to guard against sabotage, and that all has to go somewhere....


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:25:42 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Bill: You're right about the 4 eastern provinces involved in Confederation..should have made that distinction in my post !


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:24:01 CEST 2003 from va-spotsy-cuda1-c5b-95.frbgva.adelphia.net (68.65.37.95)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Crabby

"Crabgrass" IS his real name. His nickname is "Weed" but I believe is full legal name is Crabgrass J. Robertson-Helm. You can see why he wouldn't want to use the last name around here...


Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:15:49 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Bill

Sorry for all the leapfrogging Bill posts, folks (the previous one address to Calvin et al not being from the normal Bill), and sorrier still to bore most of you to tears with the subtleties of Canadian history. But, Fred, it can't be 'hence Confederation' because Confederation didn't include anything west of mid-Ontario (not even Fort William). Confederation was of four eastern colonies in 1867, mostly due to fear of American economic might and military/terrorist incursions (like the US-based Fenians beginning earlier in the decade). And the west, beginning with BC, was brought in for the reasons you suggest.

I think I recall being taught that the victim in Canada's first political assassination, Thomas D'Arcy McGee, was killed by one of those Fenian terrorists. I wonder if he had any songs written about him, as did our second assassinee, Pierre Laporte, following his murder in 1970. The Eye of Horus, whose one record used the god-awful pun, "they closed the door on Monsieur Laporte", even has a slight Band link in that member Myron Moskalyk was also a member of Lighthouse, who recorded a version of "The Weight".


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:47:40 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: A wee bit of Canadian History

John D: don't take this the wrong way, think of this post as being said in a calm, rational way.....but you have to know that the great nation of Canada as we know it today, stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific (and vice-versa) came about primarily as a way to thwart American expansion crossing into what is now Western Canada (whether this threat posed by the US' Manifest Destiny was real or perceived, that's a debate for another day), cutting of f BC from Ontario, Quebec & the Marittimes. Hence Confederation, then the building of the railroad (which was an inducement to get British Columbia to join in, instead of, perhaps, joining the USA.

Also I'd like to point out that "People who haven't uttered a mean word to each other since the War of 1812" is a bit of a fallacy. A few examples : The Fenian Raids of 1867, & this doozy: up until the 1920s our military focused it's strategy around the defense of Canada......from an American attack. Also ask people in the Canadian lumber industry their opinion regarding the USA's policy....

Still these are minor issues compared to the hatred (justified or not) directed toward the United States by a number of nations (and not all found only in the Middle East )


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:47:38 CEST 2003 from dialup-67.27.107.156.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.27.107.156)

Posted by:

G-Man

Hope to see some GB'ers/Road Warriors at tomorrow nite's Jim Weider Band show at Revolution Hall, in Troy New York! Live music is where it's at, and Jim, Al, Rando and Dan take it all the way out there.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:42:51 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John D. /SARS

John, it is the World Health Organization that has issued the warnings on Toronto. I, for one, would still travel there and not ban soccer teams from there, so I think that is an overeaction. However, when I travel to Las Vegas shortly, I will keep the air thingamujig over my seat off for the first time. Standing in a Toronto shopping mall may be reasonably safe, but the flying public is a much more condensed microculture than the mall culture, and I will take, small, reasonable measures to ensure my safety. I think too, with China covering this thing up for so long, that now people are less likely to trust any authorities on the matter. I do think it a bit of a stretch to link it to 9/11 though.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:41:29 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bill

Calvin, One of the factors which cleared Pete Townshend was that he asked his lawyer about downloading the pictures prior to doing so and reported the site to anti child porn groups.

I think people like Rosalind should be watched very, very closely. People who make such rash judgements about others without bothering to find out the whole story are much more dangerous to society. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind, as well as George Bush Jr and Sr. Did we find any chemical weapons yet? Of course the real reason for the war was to free the Iraqi people since we know Bush is a legendary humanitarian and being from Texas he could care less about oil. By the way oil prices where I live have dropped 15 cents in the last two weeks. Does anyone know why that is? Sorry everyone but I couldn't help myself. No more politics from me. Thanks for indulging.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:36:03 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Once again, the 'Bill' who posted at Fri Apr 25 02:48:44 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165) is not the Bill who has been posting here for years and years as Bill. I'm sure that this new 'Bill' knows this and is just playing games.

On another note entirely, is George Washington considered a northerner or a southerner?


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:25:26 CEST 2003 from ppp420.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.104)

Posted by:

Paulg

Location: The Promised land
Web: My link

Subject: Dave Z

Dave,

Encourage your son to play along. At 4 & 3 years of age respectively I taught my son Levon & Daughter Shannon how to play easy 1 & two finger chords. Eg. G..just play the top E string, the top two strings for F and a two string version of C.

They could play a number of little songs and sing along even at such an early age. I also picked up a small guitar in Acapulco for them to make it even easier.

Shannon has given up on music, but even now Levon still makes music. As you have read here on the site, I just went back to my guitar and this old r&r cat is still enjoying picking up my friend in the corner and playing for a half hour at a time. Sometimes more.

So play on and let your son in on the fun. You will be happy you did as life goes on and goes too fast. There may be years when its the only thing you have in common. That will always allow you to be closer to your boy. I plan to leave my Gibson G45 12 string to him someday. We trade it back and forth even now.

Dave, age has nothing to do with our love of makin music. BTW I was wise enough to tape record them playing & singing back then. My daughter recently took the cassette to school and played it back for her grade 4 class. They howled and howled...almost rolled on the floor they thought it was so funny. But as Shannon said: "it allowed them to get to know here better as a human and not just as a teacher.

shineonpaulg


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:24:35 CEST 2003 from zorg40.revealed.net (208.243.237.40)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Peter/Pat

Correction about The Average White Band. It wasn't Robbie that Cher saved, it was bassist Alan Gorrie whom Cher was dating at the time. She did try and get McIntosh help and the others at the party said they would help. But once she left the party, nobody called for an ambulance as they said they would. The man whom was passing around the heroin (and not cocaine) was a man named Kenneth Moss whom was hosting this party at his house. Moss would eventually plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter and be sentenced to 120 days in jail.

Lil...Lucky you :) It's amazing when you realize just how powerful music can be. Your post remids me of Garth's statement about the healing properties of music on TLW. Billy Joel is someone I have always admired as a musician. he and Elton and Billy were recently in this area. I even had gotten a free ticket 3rd row and a backstage pass. But I couldn't go as my wife was due to give birth anyday and I wasn't about to miss that. Sounds like you had a grea time. Good for you :)


Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:18:50 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: John D.

John,

With all due respect to you and all Canadians, that post was a direct response to Richard and not intended in any way as a commentary on all Canadians. Nothing in my post would even infer as much. Richard has made frequent cutting remarks directed at the United States. My response was intended solely for him and was addressed as such.

Although I believe none is necessary, I will gladly offer an apology to you if, after you read that post again, you believe it was derogatory. John, no math is necessary. The post was directed to ONE Canadian.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:46:49 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mr. Wigo you forced me back

Canada has 30 million people in it with a small percentage who were against the war. I for one felt we should have been there as you know. In the United States there are over 300 million people; with what I understand has about 30% against the war. What's that? 90 million Americans against Bush and the war. Canada with 30 millions people with let's say for arguments sake has 30% against. That's 3 million people. Do the math Mr. Wigo. Your problem is much worse in the U.S. than it is here. I for one Bob would have welcome signs to all Americans. Your an intelligent man Bob. Do you really believe that ALL Canadians have a problem with America? of course not! Just like I would like to believe all Americans don't hate Canadians. Again the middle east have won as they pit brother against brother. So sad.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:35:55 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Elton and Billy

They will be here on Monday night Lil? I truly admire them as musicians; but also for coming here during this ridiculous fear mongering about SARS.

I've read many articles in today's papers from "educated" people from around the world and have concluded that "fear" is much more dangerous that a few sick people (including some deaths) in a population of 5 millllllllion people I blame a lot of it on our own government at all three levels as well as our health professionals for not nipping in the bud immediately. A girl's soccer team were informed by cell phone as they were making there way to the University of Pennsylvania that they were not welcome there. Three Toronto Star executives were banned from entering the Washington Post. I only thought this kind of stuff happened in the movies.

When the "West Nile" scare started in the States in North America and later spread to Canada. No one ever stopped Americans at the border and asked them to be screened. 1984 came a few years late; but it's here.

A friend of mine and I were talking last night about everything that has happened since 9/11. The sad part is that those eastern countries knew they couldn't bring down a super power like The United States....so they thought they would poke an eye out of the country with 9/11. What's really sad is that they won. Just look to what has happened to wonderful kind people who are filled now with fear and anger. Can you blame them? Perhaps not. But those foreigners knew what they were doing and have sadly succeeded.

I hope we all come out of this soon and continue living our lives. There have been jabs in this guestbook between American and Canadians for example. People who haven't uttered a mean word to each other since the War of 1812. In a guestbook who honors a group that were 4/5th's Canadian for God's sake. These people from the east knew how to stir the waters. Please God let it end soon so that it can be the way it used to be among brothers and sisters of this continent. That's enough emotion for one day and it's only 8:27 in the morning. Geeeeeeez John get a life.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:19:12 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

Richard,

Given the current state of things here on earth it seems pretty likely that our neighbors to the north may well need us sometime in the not too distant future. We will be there. Make sure you are holding up your signs and passing around your cartoons when we arrive. We wouldn't want to mistake you for a friend in need.

David, thanks for the Bill Kirchen info. I wasn't certain about that tune.

Bayou, do check him out if he rolls into your town. He's a great player and seems to be a really nice guy as well. I caught him in a little club and the show was terrific.

AWB --- still a great band. Get out and see them if you can.

Lil -- I'm happy for you. Great live music will always be good medicine. Just an aside, an old friend of mine worked as Billy Joel's tour manager for several years. He has told me that Billy Joel is not only a great musician but is also one of the kindest and most generous people he has ever met. He took very good care of every one around him.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:17:41 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crabgrasses Last Post

I've just read Crabgrasses last post.

What Crabgrass (who continues to spout his personal beliefs around a fictitious name) didn't put in his post was that he will be mounting and celebrating his first annual Joe McCarthy day soon. His one true Hero.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:13:11 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Amanda: I am happy to read about your enthusiasm for hearing new, old music. Always a great feeling to have your ears and soul stirred by new sounds and words. I never have been able to fathom how some people do not get emotional about music. But then, there are people I have known over 40 years who have not gotten excited about music ever, and then all of a sudden something came out of left field and just knocked em flat on their ass. Tears in their eyes and everything.

I have to differ with a innocent comment of yours. Nothing against Jimmie Dale, but Gram and him are in two different universes vocally. I believe what you are taking for similar sounding voices is the quiver. While Jimmie seems to have a constant quiver, Gram's quiver appeared in his vocals at certain times. I am not saying that Jimmie Dale's is not legitimate, nor am I saying it is an affectation. But with Gram it was part of him, not constant, and the quiver came when the quiver came. Just like the rest of his arsenal of natural emotional sounds. Jimmie Dale is lost on me. His voice just doe not hit me where it counts.

Peter (V): I was real happy to read that "Colorado" is on your cd of your all time favorite songs that you keep in your car. For a lot of reasons. Initially to find that someone else holds the song in the same regard as I, and also that it has similar emotional effects on other people as on me. But I also realized since my reading your post that this has been the first time to my knowledge that you and I have connected on anything, and that is not to go unheralded. Welcome, chum.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:10:38 CEST 2003 from i010-011.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.10.11)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Kasey Chambers

Hi Lil:

I too saw a very enjoyable show last night - aussie singer and guitarist Kasey Chambers. She's young (?mid twenties) but as I understand it, has been singing since she was a young kid. I went to the concert with my nearly 14 year old daughter - her first real concert and we both had a great time.

Back to Kasey Chambers - this girl has basically bridges the gap between country music and music that appeals to mainsteam young audiences, fans who can't get enough of a singer who loves Hank and writes like him at times. It seems to me that a singer today who can get kids to listen to any music that approaches that genre has an unusual talent.

Kasey writes her own songs and sings in a manner that looks like it involves no effort at all. She can manage the softest gentlest love song or belt out a great rendition of something like "Fulsom Prison Blues", which she did last night. The crowd loved her to bits and people kept yelling and calling throughout the show, and every time she could manage a thankyou to the crowd, she did, in a funny little hick sounding voice that was very appealing.

All in all, it was a show that was hard to categorise, but it was great from start to finish, and like everyone says here "if you get the chance to see this person then do it!" I understand she has done tours overseas (mainly US I think) and it appears her star is on the rise more and more. See her if you can.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 13:04:16 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Muddy

I didn't mean that I was glad Muddy had to paint walls in order to make ends meet. I'm just glad Keith wasn't making it all up.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:44:45 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Bill, Rosalind, Chicks

Bill: Thanks. Keith seemed to feel intensely about the story. I'm glad it's true.

Rosalind: I wasn't comparing abusive behaviors. I was just pointing out that I didn't feel like the documentary was implying that Muddy was physically abusive. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.

I love the Dixie Chicks' music. I have every cd. I saw them play many times in Dallas, long before Natalie joined. Natalie's voice and persona really turned that band around...believe me. The scariest thing about the whole situation, IMHO, is that people can hate someone so much...just for expressing their opinion. Hate so intense that people threaten another person's life and family. The American public doesn't seem to be overly concerned about that. People wonder why we have so much violence among our children?????


Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:38:39 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-202.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.202)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: AWB mainly

Average White Band – I saw them last year. Definitely go! The Dundee Horns have gone (replaced by one horn player), but you’ve still got the original bass guitar / rhythm guitar / vocals core of the band. They are still stunningly good.

Correction: Pat, you’ve got the facts wrong there. Robbie McIntosh died from an overdose at a Hollywood party, but Cher is remembered as fighting tirelessly to save him, not for being the source of the powder.

Pete T. I like to see lines like ALL politicians suck. This is the main slogan of the Plague on Both Your Houses Non-Party. You can’t join it because then it would be a political organization, so by definition, it would suck. Which is why it’s a non-party.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:05:36 CEST 2003 from mcha-ag051.taconic.net (205.231.148.242)

Posted by:

Lil

Location: 2 hours of sleep

Subject: BJ !! (..and EJ.. get your minds out of the gutter :-)

(All you Billy Joel haters can now scroll on by....)

I saw an amazing show last night! Billy Joel and Elton John.. 4 hours..no warm-up band, no intermission. Just music, music, and music. I can't tell you how impressive it was to see these 2 legends, together onstage. I very rarely go to large venues, but this was really special for me and well worth the exorbitant amount of money I payed for the tickets. If you like the music of these 2 guys, do yourselves a favor and go see them. I promise you won't be disappointed.
I've spent the better part of this past month or so feeling very down because of personal matters, and it's good to know that despite it all.. music still has the power to make me feel better.

Have a good day everyone. Off to work.....


Entered at Fri Apr 25 10:19:07 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Pike and Pete ..Townsend

Pike You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you on the ass!

When I first heard this story about Townsend down-loading child pornography, the very first thing that came to my mind were some lyrics off "Tommy" "Down with the bed clothes up with the nite-shirt" This guy always had unusual violent tendencies - childhood disturbance in action. (I won't mention the other thing we found out about him, but it has been my experience that two are connected.) I would ask Pete why he down-loaded PICTURES instead of written information on the subject. There is only one reason why somebody LOOKS at child pornography. His explanation doesn't hold up. I think his children should be interviewed, his past investigated if possible, and he should be watched very very closely.

Amanda - If you don't feel that mentally and emotionally abusing someone makes you a monster, you haven't been around the block. I hope you never go there.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 09:15:21 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Pete T, gosh, um, some might say your posistion implys a certain, ah, easy assumption of moral superiority on your part. I've never posted anything, anywhere about Clinton I couldn't, and didn't, back up with facts. Clearly it's easier for you to imagine, oh Bobby Kennedy and Nixon were the same(the first having a dark side, the second BEING a dark side) and I leave you to your playpen. I would only add that when I type things into the guestbook I don't get to hear the sound of my own voice.

Ah that liberal media: a major player in the Clinton Sex Witchhunt cops a plea on child pornography, no AP story, no pundit will touch it(Joe Conason on Salon being the exception). Well, the major media carryed water for the nutball right all through the Impeachment, guess it's embarrasing now.

On them Chicks: I went to school with a formor Dixie Chick (there have been five in all, I believe, in the history of the group). I used to hear there pre-major label releases, and chunks of inner group gossip from a friend who stayed in touch with the lady in question(a real peach, by the way). So for me, politics aside, this is real strange!


Entered at Fri Apr 25 06:36:53 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

I am hoping that this post will work, since my computer grems refuse to leave. I preview my post, correct my typo's, and then press Submit, still it post the Previewed post, typo's and all. Argh! Just a question on the "Hot Rod Lincoln" song. If my memory serves me well, I remember Pat Traver's (sp?) singing this song as well? He was not on my top list of favorites, but he also sang a song called "Magnolia, You Sweet Thing", and I just fell in love with that song. I was wondering if anyone knows if this is the same song mentioned earlier?

Rick S.: You are correct, G-Man also called Ruby, Ruby Diamond, The Rubster, Louise, as in Thelma and Louise! :) Looking forward to seeing you and Pat, at Frankie Ahart's, campout shindig for the Doylestown show in June!

Ruby Red: Please e-mail me at - JBMDirect at aol.com. Thank you for your understanding and no need to apologize, you had no way of knowing!


Entered at Fri Apr 25 06:36:13 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190290.sympatico.ca (64.229.2.195)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

"The imagination imitates.

It is the critical spirit that creates."

All the rest is an illusion...

Prof Ray P....You need a guest book all your own....Thankfully you are from another planet.....It's good to know that some Band fans actually visit and explore other lands of various political leanings (not just beau....ti....ful beaches) to make their own assessments..;-D

My philosophy....TAKE THE BEST FROM ALL PEOPLES OF THE WORLD..

Robbie: Your past just follows you around, it doesn't go away.

.....That instinct appeared most notably when he decided in the mid-seventies that The Band, which seemed to be at the peak of its success, was actually finished.

Only Robertson (Robbie) had seen that the stage was crumbling under the Band's kind of music, as if he had stepped into his own version of the shaking tent used by northern shamans to divine where the hunting was good. But he was too fatigued, and too implicated in the vanishing of the old herd, to write anything but film music for more than a decade.

Robbie: The reserve was where I was introduced to music, but without that other side of my heritage, the side that gives someone the drive and ambition to want to be an entertainer, or to be in the music business, I don't know how I would have done it. I mean, it's not a coincidence that the entertainment business is 75-per-cent Jewish people.

Roy Buchanan, a superb blues guitarist Hawkins brought with him from Arkansas, initiated Robbie into the mysteries of what Buchanan called "controlled harmonics," a technique of integrating notes from the high overtones into a melodic line. Controlled harmonics became a signature part of Robbie's stinging, aphoristic style.

Those of you who saw Robbie with The Band.....as one of my students would say....SWEET.....


Entered at Fri Apr 25 06:12:22 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I know it would be bad strategy... but a part of me hopes a Bush spokesman gets on the tube tomorrow... and tells folks to leave the Dixie Chicks alone... because we have bigger problems...

Thnx for the recommendation Paul G... I myself ordered a Dylan songbook from the Dylan site... I goof around almost everyday with one of my almost-5 year olds... and was a little disappointed when I asked a local music store about lessons for him... and they suggested waiting until he's late-6 or 7 yrs old... so I guess we will continue our fiddling... He was having a ball when we watched the PBS Muddy together...


Entered at Fri Apr 25 05:55:17 CEST 2003 from 1cust41.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.41)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Dixie Chicks Tour

I have received word that the Dixie Chicks scheduled tour of the U.S. has been officially cancelled and replaced with a revised schedule more international in scope. Below are listed some of the currently confirmed dates:

July 4 (Kick-off Concert) Shabbazz Mosque - Chicago, Illinois

July 14-17 Paris Opera House - Paris, France

July 19-21 Grunplatz Garden - Munich, Germany

July 23-25 Jihad Amphitheatre - Damascus, Syria

July 26-27 Meccadome - Mecca, Saudi Arabia

(The Dixie Chicks will also be appearing as special musical guests at the Victoria's Burquas Fashion Extravaganza in Mecca on July 28.)

August 2-5 Blue Mosque - Istanbul, Turkey

August 7-8 Teheran University - Teheran, Iran

August 9-10 Martyrdome - Karbala, Iraq
(Subject to US Gov't. approval)

Opening act for all shows will be Steve Earle. Additional dates to be added as they become confirmed.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 05:15:36 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Pete Townsend

This was a hot topic a few months ago so I though I'd mention it. But a good buddy of mine who is a major Who fan tells me that the English Police are not going to prosecute Pete because after investigating his claims, the hard drive of his computer and other things they found his story credible enough to simply warn him not to do it again. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt my friend, I think the press has been very negligent not reporting it after blaring headlines of Pete as a pedophile. Can anyone add to this story?


Entered at Fri Apr 25 04:47:54 CEST 2003 from dialup-65.59.9.79.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.59.9.79)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

So Calvin, to answer your question, AWB was great live, but that was 27 years ago. I did see ? about 20 years ago and it was a ball. But he used a Hammond B3 which sounded much to good.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 04:45:14 CEST 2003 from dialup-65.59.9.79.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.59.9.79)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Calvin, I used to love the Average White Band. Their first three albums were solid blue-eyed soul, surprising as they were Scottish if I recall correctly. In a classic Hollywood coverup, Cher killed their original drummer when she provided him with some tainted white powder at a groovy party. Steve Ferrone joined the group and as good as he is, the band was never quite the same. One of the singer/guitarists toured with McCartney for some time.

The Dixie Chicks invented themselves, marketed themselves, managed themselves, toured and played like crazy, made a ballsy move and replaced their lead singer, and finally broke through big with great albums and interesting/fun/provocative videos. They play great and sing great. Even in a truth seeking flurry of stylish cynicism, dismissing them as a show biz construct is beyond wrong.

Bill O'Reilly had two Playboy bunnies on last night describing their support for the war. Tight t-shirts and plastic breasts, in case you're curious. One of them almost broke down when she said how upset she was to see people continue to protest the war after it had started. I paraphrase: "It makes me so upset. These soldiers are in Iraq protecting their right to protest." Bill of course smiled; heck, I would have too. But then he said something like, "I'm with ya." I thought it was a ludicrous argument: when fighting a war protecting the right to protest, there shall be no protesting lest we upset Playboy bunnies. I guess Bill didn't get it. Personally, I think large sacks of saline implanted in women's breasts do as much damage to the American female psyche as any terrorist attack.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 04:17:56 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: I know you were joking Sam........

But I saw ? and the Mysterians a couple of months ago at the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland, Ohio. They rocked the place pretty good in my humble opinion.

I was just given free tickets to the Average White Band this coming Sunday, anybody ever seem them live? Is it worth going?


Entered at Fri Apr 25 04:12:54 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Robert

BAND: Thanks for combining Robertson's genius with Rick, Levon, and Richard's passion and Garth's musicianship. You've helped me often.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 04:08:56 CEST 2003 from 1cust186.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.186)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Cuba

Hey, "People's Paradise" supporters and Cuban cigar afficianados - your silence on the recent firing squad executions is deafening.

It is interesting to note that Castro's Cuba deems people trying to flee that totalitarian hell hole to be "terrorists." Sure, the U.S. should lift the embargo and start trading with these SOBs - Ha!!

Click above link and read article if you missed it the first time 'round.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 03:59:00 CEST 2003 from aca17036.ipt.aol.com (172.161.112.54)

Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: What's In A Name?

Donna, doesn't G-Man refer to her as Ruby Rose, Queen of Diamonds?


Entered at Fri Apr 25 03:56:38 CEST 2003 from custnets-66-43-82-136.rinc.net (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Bill Kirchen & Danny Gatton

Bill Kirchen is a great electric guitarist and rockabilly road warrior, but I was surprised when I saw him play some wonderful acoustic Dylan stuff at a Bob Dylan 60th birthday concert in the DC area in May of 2001. He's a nice guy, too.

Another Telecaster Master who used to treat DC audiences to his genius, the late Danny Gatton, is featured on the cover of the new issue of "Vintage Guitar." Thirty years ago today I was inspired to write my first concert review for the college newspaper after seeing Gatton play and it's nice to know that a major reissue program of his recordings is in the works.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 03:54:26 CEST 2003 from ppp253.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.5.253)

Posted by:

paulg

Web: My link

Subject: Guitar for Dummies

Seldom do I endorse anything...but with getting back into playing guitar...even thinking of buying a 6 string as my 12 string is great for rythmm but my fingers work easier on the 6 string. Anyway....'Guitar for Dummies' by Mark Philips and John Chappell has been real helpful in bringing me back to my playing days. It really is a complete book and having the CD to play along with helps out as well.

If course the Library part of this sight is super as well and I really appreciate the folks on The GB for their help and encouragement.

Plus I am doing something that I really love and Music makes me Happy! shineonpaulg


Entered at Fri Apr 25 03:45:31 CEST 2003 from ppp253.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.5.253)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: The Promised Land
Web: My link

Subject: Richard Drums

In conversation with Levon about Richard's skills on the drum he said he really loved the way Richard could "play so loose!" When I remember him playing and think back while listening to the song I just start rockin my shoulders from side to side...yep it is real 'loose' or as Van Morrison might say 'real real gone'

shineonpaulg


Entered at Fri Apr 25 03:04:42 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny
Web: My link

'course that's Levon on "The Weight". Thanks for the thought anyway ? - and by the way, when are you and the Mysterians getting back together?

Bob Wigo = I'd love to catch a Bill Kirchen show. I mentioned this in here ages ago, but I have a great live CD by Kirchen called "Hot Rod Lincoln Live". It has a version of HRL with the most amazing guitar solo on it. You'd have to hear it to believe it. He get's to the lyric "the Caddy pulled over and let me go by...." - then he starts shouting out names of people that let him go by and plays a snippet of the person, or groups music. Just to name a few = Hendrix, Flat & Scruggs, Beatles, Marty Robbins, Sex Pistols. You really have to hear it to believe it. I'm attempting a link above that'll show you the cd......I don't think Kirchen wrote the tune though. Somewhere on an old vinyl compilation album I have, there is a version of HRL by a guy named Charlie Ryan that I'm pretty sure pre-dates Cody by a number of years.

So now back to drumming. Richard did indeed to a fabulous job on "Rag Mama Rag". In fact, he really rose to the occasion when Levon split and SOMEONE had to play the skins. As I recall Levon even expressed how impressed he was with how Richard had taken to the drums in his absence.

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


Entered at Fri Apr 25 02:59:04 CEST 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: "Call It Discretion"

Tull, that post ROCKED. You hit it on the screws, my friend. Kudos.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 02:48:44 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Muddy and painting

Amanda, Keith Richards was not hallucinating. Marshall Chess indeed paid Muddy to do work around Chess studios (this included painting) in 1964 because his sales had plummeted with black audiences (I guess Motown was taking over) and the white record buying public wasn't buying the blues either. It's documented on page 202 of "Muddy Waters- the Mojo Man" by Sandra B. Tooze.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 02:47:13 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Sally

Web: My link

Subject: Conan

Hey, The White Stripes are on Conan all week! Very interesting.


Entered at Fri Apr 25 02:19:26 CEST 2003 from ppp544.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.228)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: Bayou Sam & Bob...Drums????

Hi Guys,

Richard played drums on Rag Mama Rag & Levon to my knowledge always played drums on 'The Weight'

shineonpaulg


Entered at Fri Apr 25 02:07:38 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Ben

Ben, I think you once again miss my point, as you do most points because you are very close minded, and only enjoy the sound of your own voice. Here is my point in plain English. All politicans suck, that goes for Your buddy and Hero Bill (i am not a crook) Clinton. To your enemy George W. Bush. Understand that Ben? I dont like any of them. Castro, Kennedy. Nixon, Goldwater, Hillary, The list of these creeps is long. Nature of the beast. Got it? The trouble with you is you only see what you want to see, I see all Ben.... I am a seeker of truth, unlike the folks sitting on one fence or the other, both sides are wrong, both sides are right and I am ALWAYS WRONG. Always Ben. Something I bet you have never said in your life........


Entered at Fri Apr 25 00:16:20 CEST 2003 from (209.234.157.90)

Posted by:

Curtis

"a banner which to millions of us represents a clebration of the enslavement of African Americans"

Many more years of slavery under the Yankee flag, and how many slaves did George Washington own? Only about one or two hundred.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 23:52:12 CEST 2003 from pcp01769617pcs.audubn01.nj.comcast.net (68.46.168.3)

Posted by:

Chris D.

Location: South Jersey

Subject: Just ain't right!

We must of treated Levon so good in Philly last week, he's coming back for me!! Well, at least I hope that's how it is! We can't get enough of him around here! And me with plans I can't get out of! Damned!! More notice next time Butch if possible. Gotta catch "The Last Hombres" one of these days. I'm sure I'll feel the groove though from across the river!!


Entered at Thu Apr 24 23:48:12 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Golly Pete T, wish I could be up on the issues like you. "Clinton Still Lying?"...examples please? Note the "Do you still beat your wife?" of the phrasing.

I suppose it won't reach such "up on the facts" types, but a small breaking story today "A prominent Republican fund-rasier who once said formor President Clinton was a "lawbreaker and a terrible example to our nation's young people" pleaded guilty yesterday in Baltimore Circuit Court to production of child pornography."

It's not quite as bad as it sounds, he was just picking up 15 year old runaways for little photo shoots. Perhaps more surprising to those who never looked into the people who were after Clinton at any cost.

Richard Delgaudio, the sleezo in question, raised millions for repubs like Ollie North and spearheaded the whole Paula Jones press junket that would lead to the most pointless constitutional crisis we will ever endure and placed a bunch of rich hoods crying "honor and dignity" in the White House. Tit for tatters, read it and weep.

It should be also noted, that the conservative Delgaudio used every possible legal means to try and weasel out of the beef, including comparing the cops to Nazis. He says he's real sorry now though. Again, if the likes of basemanlee had ever looked into these guys, the true uglyness of the whole "he brought it on himself" slop might have sunk in.

I heard Dylan is only playing the piano in his shows now.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 23:38:05 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: This-N-That

You know what I don't get, why, if all these things are true, (and I have absolutely no reason to believe they're not) about all these poiticians and public officials, does everybody spend so much time *BITCHING ABOUT IT*? We put them there. My life is pretty good. If I don't work, my life goes down the tubes, so I work. Being "blue callar" so it goes, I tend to work more and make more money when the Democrats are in office but all in all I wouldn't trade places with any other country in the world. I'm blessed to have been born in the USA. So the politicians are crooks and my union is run by the mob ... who cares, as long as my standard of living doesn't decline or I get laid off ... Then I'm gonna bitch ... So now to Bush ... I'M BITCHIN!!!! ...



Entered at Thu Apr 24 23:19:57 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: More Bad Politics

I must have missed that Kennedy press release. Was that the same one where they bought the election by being in bed with the Mob in Chi-town and handing out 50 dollar bills in West Virginia? Bay of Pigs? Cuban Missile crisis? What I find tedious is people not knowing real history. That goes for both sides of this stupid fence. George Bush SR. ran the Iran-Contra deal. Reagan Lied, Bush Lied, Clinton is still lying, Johnson was a total crook, the only one in recent history that was half way honest was Jimmy Carter, who was so ineffectual as a president you could write whole books on it. JFK got us deeper involved in Veitnam. None of these people are honest. not one, find me an honest politican and I will show you the best Con Man in the game. OK, Dixie Chicks are as much a part of the music biz machine as anyone ever was in the history of music, to think they are not IS WRONG. Now the machine that they are a part of is spitting them out. They are fighting back by being on the cover of entertainment weekly , air brushed naked with things written all over them. Can somebody enlighten me as to why they are doing this? I dont get it. I think they should fight for themselves, I just understand the naked part.......


Entered at Thu Apr 24 23:07:52 CEST 2003 from 152.16.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.16.152)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Dixie Chicks, Yes!

John, it doesn't bother me that you disagree with the Dixie Chicks but I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the point of the words they're "wearing." Those are epithets, positive and negative, that they've been called since their great sin of saying they didn't love the president and his war. And your calling them "sluts" doesn't reflect well on you for any number of reasons. You could have chosen other names, but since these "traitors" are women, you have to fall back on the tradition of invalidating them by accusing them of sexual and moral pollution. Pathetic.

The Chicks look great, sound great, and I'm glad to see that there are people in the public eye offering antidotes to the poison of George Bush.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 22:35:26 CEST 2003 from h-69-3-216-202.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.216.202)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

levon definitely played drums on The Weight. As has been discussed here before, Richard can be heard very faintly playing an organ line after each chorus, a theme evident on any number of live performances.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 21:57:42 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-7-103.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.7.103)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John F. Kennedy fought in WW11. Although his service was "heroicized" by Hollywood, he faced combat bravely. That's a lot more than the chickenhawks can claim. The Dixie Chicks invented themselves and worked extremely hard to get where they are. To call them an entertainment construct is not only wrong, it displays the kind of intended distortion that makes political discussions so tedious.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 21:26:23 CEST 2003 from chi-pat.truenorth.com (199.221.98.4)

Posted by:

?

Subject: Bayou Sam & Bob Wigo

I know Levon often gets credit for it, and not to take anything away from his contributions to The Band, but wasn't it actually Richard Manuel playing drums on "The Weight"?


Entered at Thu Apr 24 21:14:24 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Keith's do

Keith Richards' hairdo reminded me of an expression we have down here in the South referring to body piercing -- "that boy looks like he fell into the tackle box". In the case of Mr. Richards, it looks as if he came out of it with a couple of fishing lures entangled in his hair (:-) "That's a colourful Rapala you got there son!" By the way -- when fishing in Georgia, we keep the sushi in the bait box.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:59:28 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Try link again


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:56:23 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Subject: Dixie Chicks Nude

They have really topped themselves now. Posing nude with words like Saddam's Angels and Traitors painted on their bodies. Not only unpatriotic, but unabashed sluts as well. Gotta love it!


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:53:54 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Dave Z

I just saw your post...it made me laugh. I was trying to figure out Keith's hairdo myself. I know there was a key woven in somehow. I also liked his story about walking in to Chess Records the first time and seeing Muddy on a ladder painting. The Chess guy said that was a total Keith hallucination...Muddy was always dressed to the nines and never would have been on a ladder painting walls.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:46:20 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Burrito Deluxe, PutEmUp (Jeff), Susan, Dixie Hummingbirds, Rosalind & Muddy

Could there possibly be three new Burrito Deluxe members instead of just two? What happened to Tommy Spurlock and Willie Watson? Does anyone out there have the info?

PutEmUp (Jeff): Thanks for all the great stuff on The Flying Burrito Brothers. I am so intrigued by their music and story. I ordered Hot Burritos! The Flying Burrito Bros. Anthology 1969-1972, as you suggested. I also ordered Hickory Wind:The Life and Times of Gram Parsons and the book written by Parson's manager...I can't remember his name or the title...the fella who stole Gram's body and burned it in the desert. KAY WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID THAT TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION. Anyway, I got both books for a great price and I am excited. Do you think Gram Parson's singing voice sounds just a little like Jimmie Dale Gilmore's?

BTW One of the best and most informative Gram Parsons websites is linked to The Last Hombres' website...Levon connections everywhere. Oh and I love that Dixie Hummingbirds song...true southern gospel.

Susan: Thanks for letting me know about Return of Grievous Angel. I'm going to pick that up next and of course Grievous Angel, because I've never given it a listen. Wow...this is exciting...new, old stuff...just the way I like it.

Rosalind: I watched the Muddy Waters show last night and I don't remember hearing that he was abusive (physically). The really young girlfriend called him mean, but she was refering to how he jumped off the stage when he noticed another man attempting to dance with her. He did run around on his wife, which is emotionally and mentally abusive. I got the impression that Lillian (the other girlfriend and I may be getting the name wrong) lost custody of the children by the state and the children were put in foster homes. The documentary didn't say how long it was before Muddy gained custody of the children. I'm assuming that it might have been difficult for him because he wasn't married to Lillian and paternity might have been an issue. I thought the show basically stayed with the music and just tossed in juicy bits of personal stuff. I know there is a fantastic book about him...maybe we should get a copy.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:45:10 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Richard: Although his syntax makes it difficult to say for sure, I believe that Bob W was calling Cuba the greatest country in the world. I wouldn't agree - though I've been there, seen the fabulous beaches and lovely buildings and neat old cars - but chacun a son gout.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:37:00 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: JFK/pehr

I am guessing you saw the movie version of PT 109. Not a lot of fact there. JFK Never uttered a sentence that was not written for him. History is a funny thing,especially when your Gangster father has hired the writers.......


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:33:17 CEST 2003 from x403443d5.ip.e-nt.net (64.52.67.213)

Posted by:

Elizabeth

Location: New York

Subject: Muddy Waters - American Masters

Bones, there was not any mention of Levon, The Band or The Last Waltz in the Muddy Waters American Masters.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:30:32 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Bones: No mention of Band, Levon or even TLW clips... some interview snipits from lots of folks including Bonnie Raitt, Charlie Musselwhite, Bob Margolin, one of the Chess guys and Muddy's various family members... It was supposed to be based on the recent book which I have to remember to get... I enjoyed it but wanted soooo much more than could be handled in just one hour... the most interesting thing for me was trying to figure out what Keef Richards had in his hair during his interview parts... Lot's of nice video and still shots of Muddy though...


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:22:07 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: In the Georgia pines

Subject: Hot Rod Lincoln

Bob Wigo: Although "Hot Rod Lincoln" has certainly become the signature song of the talented Bill Kirchen, the tune pre-dates Commander Cody. It was written by Charlie Ryan & W.S. Stevenson. A version recorded by Mr. Ryan & the Timberline Riders charted in 1959. The following year, a version recorded by Johnny Bond also made the Billboard charts.

The American fascination with fast cars & semi-trucks has certainly inspired a whole genre of country, rockabilly & rock 'n roll songs over the years. "Hot Rod Lincoln" was actually an "answer" song to an earlier hit entitled "Hot Rod Race", written by George Wilson. The latter, & its variations, was recorded by many different artists. Arkie Shibley & His Mountain Dew Boys, Jimmie Dolan, Tiny Hill, and Red Foley all released versions around the same time in 1950.

Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen (with included Bill Kirchen) souped-up & turbocharged the song with their version, which charted in 1972. In recent years, guitarist Bill Kirchen has altered the song somewhat as the centerpiece of his live act. His variation has him passing cars driven by various artists, from Johnny Cash to the Rolling Stones to more contemporary ones. As the Hot Rod Lincoln passes each succeeding car, Mr. Kirchen plays signature guitar licks associated with those being passed. For example: as he speeds by Roy Orbison, he plays the distinctive notes from "Pretty Woman". As the Lincoln gains speed, so does Mr. Kirchen's leads. I would have to say that his current version is the best one yet.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 20:10:11 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.193)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: "the greatest country on the planet"

Subject: bob w

which country is that, bob?


Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:48:30 CEST 2003 from m198214176091.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.91)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: JFK/war/right to speak

JFK actually fought in the war, actually risked his life to save somebody and was tough enough to survive and was able to answer questions directly and even manage to complete sentences, thoughts and read/write.



Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:42:00 CEST 2003 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.198)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: A Change is Gonna Come

Bill's mention of Finley/Bell on "Change" reminded me of the new version I heard yesterday from the new album "Peace Songs" which is "a joint initiative between BMG Canada Inc., Sony Music Canada, and War Child Canada," according to the website [link]. I hasten to mention that I don't have the CD, and never will (I have a very strong Bryan Adams allergy and have to be careful). Perhaps it was the no-fi of the under-the-cupboard kitchen radio, but I found it really awful. Full of all the vocal swoops instead of emotion that the divas have been using for years now. My theory is, if you sing the actual notes of the melody first, then you can embellish where it's called for. If you embellish everything, you're expressing nothing.

Anyway, check out the link. I can't wait to hear Avril Lavigne doing "Knockin' On Heaven's Door." Oooh!


Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:36:33 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

RUBY RED

Location: NY

Subject: Donna

I am very sorry I did not know there was another Ruby, from now on I am Ruby Red. I love this guest book and thanks for welcoming me.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:36:20 CEST 2003 from st-209-7-72-233.glenbard.dupage.k12.il.us (209.7.72.233)

Posted by:

uliff

good points tull ... I just didn't think the confederate flag and dissent were a good comparison ... Comparing Mr. Bush to Hitler ... stupidity like that helps no one.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:32:35 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.36)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Cartoon Corners

Just sitting back in hope of someone posting a cartoon that will sum this whole thing up. You know, how rotten our government is compared to the rest. Did I understand someone to say there is a statue of John Lennon in Cuba? If so, the poor man is definitely spinning in his box.

Bayou, you are right on. There are any number of master strokes from Levon Helm. I was listening to Islands on the way to work this morning and really enjoyed "Livin' In A Dream". Levon plays some terrific and very subtle fills in that tune...not to mention his amazing vocal gift for making a song sound so natural.

Sorry to say I was unable to make the BB's show in Philly this past Saturday. I was, however, blessed the next evening to see the "King of Diesel-billy" Bill Kirchen. Bill is a GREAT Tele player and quite a character. I believe he penned "Hot Rod Lincoln" during his time with Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen. If he stops in your town check out the show. Very cool stuff. There's a link above if you are interested.

Please return now to your regularly scheduled trashing of the greatest country on the planet and testimonials regarding the beauty of Castro's Cuba.

One more note: Thanks to Bruce Springsteen for hitting the mark dead on once again. He clearly "gets it".


Entered at Thu Apr 24 19:08:16 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Uliff

Uliff, reread my post. I was using it as an example. Nothing I ever seriously contemplated. But I do think it is valid as an example. You see, it may be obvious to YOU that this would offend people, and it is obvious to ME as well. Conversely, to disagree with the war and President Bush publicly, and to state so for X, Y, Z reasons is one thing. When emotionally inflammatory statements are made, comparing Bush to Hitler, etc. etc., then yes, this is still protected free speach, but the speaker should not be surprised at an equally emotionally response. Maines of the Dixie Chicks admitted she spoke out of frustration and under stress. Well, her audience was listening under the same conditions! That's all. It's important to remember that the 1st amendment was not written to protect popular thought; few will criticize you for publicly supporting Mr. Rogers, or Pizza, or a litter of puppies. It's the unpopular stuff it protects, but that protection is only your right to say it, not for public approval of it. So, short of violence, threats, blatant discrimination, and things in that realm, you kind of have to own it once it leaves your mouth. Just like what you say at the office Christmas party after 3 hours of open bar. The next day may be a looooong one. :)


Entered at Thu Apr 24 18:56:20 CEST 2003 from st-209-7-72-233.glenbard.dupage.k12.il.us (209.7.72.233)

Posted by:

uliff

and how do you benignly display a confederate flag? ... not trying to be a jerk here tull ... just asking


Entered at Thu Apr 24 18:49:54 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

John D: Thanks for the info on the Moondog poster. It sounds great! Jan should put that info (with permission obviously) on the merchandise section of this site.

Was Levon or the Band mentioned or shown on the recent Muddy Waters PBS special?


Entered at Thu Apr 24 18:49:10 CEST 2003 from 103.ppp132.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.132.103)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Subject: Unwanted missinformation in gb ;-)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PETER (23), PAT (22), LIL (Sweet Little Sixteen), SUPRATIK (3)!


Entered at Thu Apr 24 18:47:00 CEST 2003 from st-209-7-72-233.glenbard.dupage.k12.il.us (209.7.72.233)

Posted by:

uliff

Location: Il.

Subject: you can't be serious

J tull The comparison of displaying a banner which to millions of us represents a clebration of the enslavement of African Americans in clear view of an African American Neighbor to publicly disagreeing with the policies of this administration is, of course, ludicrous. Please tell me you didn't mean that.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 18:18:27 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

.....maybe you have to be a drummer to notice - maybe not. That cool little fill Levon does just after he sings "feeling 'bout half past dead". You know the one - ba-da-da-da-bop. If it were suddenly gone, everyone would notice. It's such a great "FEEL" type fill that just keeps the song gliding along the way it was born to glide along. It won't get Levon on the cover of Modern Drummer like a Neil Pert fill will - but we don't care. We know the truth about Levon's greatness at the "best seat in the house".


Entered at Thu Apr 24 17:31:24 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ben, you kind of make my point

People who burn books are no more representative of mainstream conservativism than the majority of these protestors are representative of mainstream liberalism. Both extremes are merely over-hyped and overindulged micro-minorities overhyped by the media, so the rest of the 99% of us at some point should avoid fueling their ambitions as much as possible. And I'll bet real money no one is angrier at Maines than her two bandmates! 'eh, shut up already!'. It was a dumb comment. She paid the price for it. Time to leave her alone.


Entered at Thu Apr 24 17:10:10 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Subject: Clarifacation

I just wanted to clarify something for friend Ruby who has posted in here several times over the years. Ruby from MA, has had no access to a computer because of work demands. The new poster "RUBY" from NY is not the same person. This has caused some confusion, with her friends who were wondering why she didn't call them about these show's. "RUBY", who has seen Levon recently, "Hi!" I was wondering if you could use "RUBY" and possible Red? Or something that would differentiate you from the Ruby we all know? I hope you have a wonderful time this weekend seeing Levon in Philly! Please post about the show? One reason I miss the old email addresses posted, as I would have been able to emailed you personally about this! Thanks, and it is so nice to see you posting in here!


Entered at Thu Apr 24 17:07:39 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Charlie

Ronald Reagan , A Friggin actor, and not very good at it. I think is what i sort of said. And what of JFK? What exactly was he? King of Camalot? Dixie Chicks? Very over rated, very little talent, another music biz package, marketed in a way that people think they are real. Cuba? always has been a bruital dictatorship. When did Castro get the JFK movie treatment? I missed when he became a good guy.Ben Pike, where do I start? Never mind,I have to leave the house soon and now I am afraid.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Vilification by profiteers

I'm telling you all, (to drag this out just a bit more) this whole issue of artists being publicly "spanked" has more to do with a handful of DJ's and radio "Personalities" trying to stir up some controversy and create a media circus in order to further their own twisted image than it does about the actual political beliefs of the general public.

Hell the "general public" is basicly clueless when it comes to politics and international affairs. Christ, tey keep electing these people don't they? ...

You get what you pay for ...



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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Dixie Chicks, Consequences

You make some good points Jtull, ones I certainly agree with. However, Maines has complained about the threatening letters she has received, to my knowledge she hasnt complained about any lack of sales or airplay for her albums. So I dont think she is making it an issue as much as others have. But for the record, anytime I see or here of a group of people having a book burning\CD Burning because of someones political belief-it is a bad thing.

And franklt it is being made into way more than it is. For all the "fallout" from her comments the the Dixie Chicks album is No. 1 on the Billboard country chart this morning, and has been for 19 consecutive weeks. The US tour they are about to kick off is sold out in 59 of 65 venues and the 6 that arent are expected to sell out. THey play 20,000 arenas these girls-the "fallout" has been minimal and way overhyped.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Of course what we are talking about is the twisted, mind numbing hypocrisy of the Amereican right, which calls itself "Conservative" but is all too liberal in the indulgence it grants itself in squelching free debate. Look, if the Dixie Chicks voting for Dems gets you bent out of shape enough that you don't like their music anymore, O.K., but rallies where they smash there records like something out of Nazi Germany? Is a conservative in America still capable of shame? This could only happen in an America that indulges talentless slobs like Charlie Daniels as he uses our enlisted Men and Women as human sheilds against the onslaught of career rot.

Robert Scheer of the L.A. Times is one of the handful of national pundits who has been flat out anti Bush and anti War. Incredibly, fascist egomaniac Bill O'Reilly ahs called on his viewers to boycott the Times until the fire him. This is the sick, sick voice of right wing America, which bullies others to support wars fought on the pretext of bringing people rights they don't respect in their own country. In the short and long run, of course, they just cheat themselves. Like I'm going to deny myself the pleasure of early Steely Dan because Skunk Baxter is a political chump.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John D.

John, what I said about 'consequences' was not a veiled threat and I hope you didn't take it that way. What I was trying to say is that by excercising our right to free speech, some people forget that the people listening have the same right as well, and we put ourselves on the line, in terms of reputation, popularity etc. everytime we do so. Our First Amendment rights guarantee against governmental retaliation or persecution of our speech and self-expression, but it in no way assures that our neighbors will be as accepting of us afterwards. For example, I am active in local historical circles in Richmond and have done Civil War tours for the National Park Service. I happen to know that Memorial Day was actually started as a commemoration for Confederate veterans. Perhaps I should fly a Confederate flag (benignly)on Memorial Day to honor the original (and local) roots of this national holiday. But I won't. I have several black neighbors with whom I enjoy a friendly relationship with. We're not close friends, but we always say nice 'hellos' and waive as we pass each other. Were I to hang a Confederate flag, even for benign reasons, I am sure I would raise some questions at best; at worse make them uncomfortable in their own neighborhood. So, even though to do so is my protected free speech, I've made a willing choice not to excercise it. Call it discretion. This in no way erodes my free speech rights. At the same time, if I were to fly the flag and suddenly get cold or dirty looks from my neighbors, should I claim my rights are being violated or should I just accept this as a result of the excercise of my rights? Now if they burned my house down in retaliation, THAT would be a violation of my rights, but like in grade school, priviledges are always spoiled by the fools! So, yes, the Dixie Chicks and the Sarandon's of the world had every right to say what they did, and I continue to defend their right to do so. But they should also accept the 'consequences', provided they are in the reasonable realm of public dissapproval, declining sales etc. Threats of violence, etc., would clearly cross that line.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Question for JTull

Jtull I ask you this question as one who is truly interested. It doesn't come out of cynicism. When you wrote the following sentence, "But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequences." Are you sure you didn't mean "But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of retaliation." That's what I'm seeing when it comes to the Dixie Chicks etc. A group by the way I care nothing about. Seriously I have never seen so many angry people; because others excercise their thoughts. Is it JTull because one cannot seperate the war from 9/11? That's all I can figure out. I saw an article in an American magazine the other day that said that if you were not a blind patriot these days then you were basically screwed in your own country. I'm just asking here Jtull and I have always enjoyed your thoughts on music and politics etc.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: professions

Carter was a peanut farmer, Truman a haberdasher (clothing store/hat salesman)JFK was created by pappa Joe's image machine (hmmm, he OWNED a studio that hired the actors...)


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Posted by:

Bill

I read somewhere that both former US president Ronald Reagan and gun-guy Charlton Heston used to be Actors. If that's true, they had no business changing professions. Harrumph.

BEG: If you'd attended the Brooks/Rockin' Revelators CD release rather than the Jeffries show, you'd've seen Dom Troiano in the audience grooving to Richard Bell playing piano behind John Finley singing the most moving version of "A Change Is Gonna Come" that I can imagine.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Al Campanis, Jimmie the Greek and Daniel Lanois

I keep telling myself no more non cultural posts, but I keep getting pulled back in.

John, I have serious problems with calling Jimmie the Greek and Al Campanis vistims of liberal boycotts and blacklists, first off I dont even know their politics, 2cd there was no boycott-both were fired by their companies within 24 hours of their statements, and they were attacked from both sides not just liberals. If a man goes on national TV and says blacks might not have the mental capacity to be baseball managers, it isnt a liberal\conservative issue-it is simply an issue of stupidity. To paint it as political is just silly.

I played Shine at one of my stores today and one of the youngsters to work for me told me it was "strange music." I just kind of found that funny.


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Posted by:

JTull

Location: Richmond

Subject: Crabgrass' Cuba link

I was going to post that but then thought better since things were quiet out here, but since they started again I'm glad you did it! It never ceases to amazes me how certain 'enlightened' individuals out here can keep extolling the virtues of that island yet make nary a 'peep' when its' people are oppressed in this fashion. It seems hypocritical of this crowd to defend protest against the U.S. on North AMerican soil, or attend 'free Peltier' demonstrations, but when they have the chance to make a REAL difference, ie. while walking past a John Lennon statue in Cuba, to think this little breadcrumb of civility makes up for decades of political repression. Try waiving a 'free elections!' banner in front of that statue! DIXIE CHICKS, SARANDON et al: sure free speech, and they have every right to say what they did. But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequences. It was also tasteless to make some of these statements in foreign countries. Treason? Of course not. Buy their music? I might; I don't buy artist's work solely based on their politics no more than I care about the politics of the kid making my sandwich at Subway. Too an extent... People DID boycott companies doing business in South Africa, and artists like Paul Simon were lambasted for recording there (Graceland)so their IS a precedent. THE BAND playing for CARTER & CLINTON: What's wrong with that? Neither was any more extreme to the left than Reagan/Bush are to the right. Sorry for all you guys who want to pigeonhole any of them, but they were either moderate left or moderate right and thank god we have not seen the true extreme of either.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: The Real Story

"The Land of the Free" is so much more civilized. Click above for the "Real Story".


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: "The People's Paradise" aka Cuba aka "Castroland"

Click above link for interesting news story from the "People's Paradise."


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Mud

I think that's a fused sentence Roz ...



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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Muddy Waters (American Master)

The music might have been real good but finding out that this cat was a abusive monster who paraded his young and beautiful mistresses around in front of his not so healthy wife, a woman who had taken God knows what from this guy already, and then finding out that when Ol' Mud go a little sad on his own he decided to pull his own baby cildren out of the Aid Society homes they were planted in wasn't. Reminds me of the Julian Lennon story.

put-em-up


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Washington- Lee

... &#$*@%!*@+=` ... and that goes for Jeb Stuart too ...

Stuart kinda looks like a young Garth don't he;

http://www.us-civilwar.com/graphics/jeb.jpg

Check it out ...



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Yeah.....If you're going to send Robbie back to Habana.....Send me too.....so we can jam with Ry....Ooops....He's not allowed back in the "evil" country that stood up to......

And that Daniel Lanois.....(Only for us left of centre Canadians).....He included an exclusive bonus track "RED"....to his latest "Shine".........My fave colour too.....but we know what it's really about....Don't we??......;-D...I have Daniel taped from Canadian Music Week.....but nope....not sharing....not worth the hassle in here....Still remembering Daniel and Brian Blade at the Elmocambo.....Still...

"Cousin" Paul....B.B. McGoons was in the Pearcy House, right?......Oh well, yeah know who I really would like to see again perform.....RICHARD BELL.....He's got it all going on.....He dropped in at Jeff Healey's for Levon's show so maybe he'll appear at Garth's show next month.....Just maybe....Oh....and I really want to see Dom Troiano again.....He played "A Change Is Gonna Come" at one of the Hawk Tributes.....Just like Robbie's "Crazy Love"...BEAU...TI..FUL.........

Peter Stone Brown: I have the last recorded interview that Marley did.....but I would love to read your interview.....:-D


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crabgrass? Print? Sample? Huh???????

I thought my post was clear. I wasn't talking about a personal print for Jan; which would be a nice gesture for all the hard word Jan does here; but an "example" of one to show others on the site. Jan does this sort of thing all the time.

The man hasn't asked to "market" his product on this site....it was my idea. I was filled with enthusiasm after buying it. Others on this site have already shown interest in purchasing it.

The reason for the word sample is that people cannot copy it and use it (for whatever reason). Everyone else who has ever submitted photos on this site from Serge to Elliott Landy to Paul Fleming have done so in the past and I never noticed you were upset about it then. Crabgrass for someone who loves this music and is a great photographer, I have been seeing a real "anger" in you lately. Relax crabby.....it's OK.

BTW I once remember a guy by the name of John D who got slammed in this guestbook for pointing out when Paul Fleming was the first to use the "Sample" across his paintings. I was reminded they are the work of the artist and if Jan didn't want to put in on the site he didn't have to.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat B made an observation that I called way back - Islamic Fundamentalist Iraq. You can bring a Horse to water...., When are we going to wake up and smell the coffee. If this administration spent no time studying the culture of this region, then they don't deserve a second term no matter how well this operation was pulled off. We can still save some face. Set up the puppet government, let it get over thrown, then work back door deals when it comes to oil concerns just like we've done in the past. They want our money - we want their oil, but they have no trust, love or want for our way of life. Let them be.., let them sort it out for themselves. There's more Hatfield and McCoys over there than any of us can phathom and we're to high minded and arrogant to see it.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I forgot that liberal Robertson wacko with that Leonard Peltier song. Send him back to Havana too.

Tiny, be sure to include that book where I extol Jeb Stuart and the magazine article where I compliment Robert E. Lee.

Charlie, it's because we both love the Rascals and we both love Virginia.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Pat Brennan

... That's it Pat ... I'm boycotting your music and I'm gonna burn all your books ...

Damn com-symp, pinko, publican ... #!$(^!*% ...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

John D: I'm still waiting for the Rosanne Cash report!

Pat B: I agree with your points as usual.

Pete T: just remember that the godhead of the current crop of Republicans--Ronald Reagan--was "just a friggin' actor..."


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Sure nuff, cuz, no politics with those guys from the Band. Except that leftist, pinko, environmental weirdo Rick Danko. Man, I'm with the grand majority of good solid Americans and boycotting the music of that subversive communist. Doesn't he know that trees cause more pollution than autos? Then I heard those goofballs in the Band actually put out a tribute to that horrid Jimmy Carter when that liver bellied coward ran for president. Some song called Georgia. How dare they show liberal tendencies and vote Democratic. Oh, they're Canadian and can't vote? What are they, terrorists from another country sticking their noses in our business? Let's run 'em back to Cuba where they belong. What? They performed for Bill Clinton???? He was a liberal, wasn't he? Man, I'm organizing a burn the Band rally. Bring those discs. Let's light 'em on fire. I'm never listening to another Band song as long as I live.

It's pretty ugly, isn't it?

Here's something even scarier. The Islamic fundamentalist state of Iraq.


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Posted by:

Sally

Web: My link

Subject: The White Stripes

I thought they were good,original,I like that. The guy kind of reminds me of someone I know,[only 30 yrs .younger] must be the hat.Ha Ha..check out my link


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Posted by:

Sally

Web: My link

Subject: The Hoochie Coochie Man

Wow, The best night of T.V in a long time,first I watched Late night w/ Conan @ 7 p.m on comedy central,naturally, & The White Stripes were on..cool. Coming up next was The Muddy Waters Special!! How can a girl be so lucky!!


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Posted by:

Mikey Lenahan

Location: Clinton,NJ

Subject: JP McCAFFREY--MATT ANGUS THING

Hey JP, I couldn't agree with you more.. the MATT ANGUS THING is a great band from the musical town of Clinton nj. Matt the lead singer for the band is also a very BIG BAND FAN. Last year he put out a cd called FACE THE DAY with Levon on drums for one song. His new cd should be out sometime this year and it is even better..... I recommend you check out The Black Potatoe Fest this year, which is held in clinton. Last year Levon and the Barnburners were on the bill and the year before that the Jim Weider Band played. peace


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Well, at least we now know the R&R HOF is more credible than the baseball one... btw, I feel the Band's music making political/social value statements with every sound... or there lack of... even today...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: "Living In A Political World"

... Oh, I agree with you whole heartedly Pete. I don't buy a Dixie Chicks CD to hear Natalies political views ... Ain't gonna happen. Not that most people check in here to hear *MY* political views either ... so I digress ...
But when it comes to The Band and politics, I'm not so sure your totally correct when you say;

"You never heard The Band get into this kind of crap, they were to busy playing music."

I might want to consider where they came from and how they got to where they did, before making a statement like that ... see "My link"

And weren't songs like, "King Harvest" and "Shoot Out In China Town" or even "I Shall Be Released" and "The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down", at least a little political? ... Should I go on ?

Let's take another look at that Discography ...

"Life Is A Carnival" ...

Tell me Richard ... Is this game poker? ...



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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Moondog Print

I think Jan is entitled to one without SAMPLE written across it since it's being marketed on this site! If the seller is too cheap to send him one we should all chip in and buy him one!!

BTW for those who are broke like me the absolutely FREE Moondog Matinee Screensaver/Wallpaper is still available - just e-mail me. Yagi painting of the original 5 restored also still availble.

djy15@hotmail.com


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Moondog Matinee Art Print & Skip Rooney

I received my "Moondog Matinee" print from Skip Rooney two days ago. It is magnificent. The color is so absolutely rich I couldn't believe it. I opted for the 16"x24" with 2" white border around image - $125.00 Unframed [ Framed size 23"x30"] as this print always meant a lot to me. Mr. Rooney sir........thank for a meticulous job. It is currently being framed. Check it out folks. Skip you should send a picture of the print to Jan with a "Sample" etched across it to show folks how great it is.

Its professionally printed on High Resolution 80lb stock paper with color retention of around 25+ years [ 40+ with UV Glass]

Dimensions - 11"x17" with 1" white border surrounding image - $45.00 US Dollars

Matted size - 15"x21" Double Archival Matting [ Ready to Frame]/ $70.00 US Dollars

Framed Size - 18"x 24" Mahogany or Walnut finish Hardwood Moulding with Double Archival Matting as above with paper backing and hardware and glass - $135.00 US Dollars

We ship worldwide [ outside North America just the print is best for shipping ]

There will also be a larger High End Print available. It will be a Giclee [Iris]Print /[Printed upon Request]

Dimentions - 16"x24" with 2" white border around image - $125.00 Unframed [ Framed size 23"x30"]

You can order by e-mail or call 800 283 3344


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Tiny

There is no question that the powers that be want them squashed, but if there was a buck in it for them they would be back in favor soon enough. I guess my big problem with all of this is these entertainers using their fame and creating a bully pulpit. You never heard The Band get into this kind of crap, they were to busy playing music. I always resent people like Sting, Susan Surandon, Tim Robbins and Sean Penn telling the rest of us what is right or wrong. They have a tendency of being just a little too self important and a little high and mighty for the rest of us. I think most of these people live in a bubble. They don't live like the rest of us but they think their opinions are much more meaningful than the rest of us. Lets face facts, they are friggin Actors and musicians. And some not even that good at it. Thanks for hearing me out (I need to get out of the house more, it was a long winter up here)


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Clear Channel ... & the like ...

You hit the nail right on the head Charlie. Clear Channel and a couple other corp. giants, own most (if not all) of the radio stations you listed to. Clear Channel alone owns 1200 stations. Most of these stations compete with one another and the average radio listener has no idea. Add to that, the fact that so called, "Indies", are paying something like $5000.00 to $7000.00 per play, for a new song and it's not hard to see, what choke-hold these few Corperations have on the music industry ...

... DISCUSS ...



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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Charlie

Damn, More good points. I think it is to easy and simplistic though to lay this all off on Bush or Corp. America bailing on the DC's. I think it is much bigger than that. I think it when someone does or says things in war time and it pisses off a vast amount of people I think Corp. America is the first to bugg out over things, the second it hits the bottom line they are gone like the wind. But I think it stems from the people (consumer) Look at what happened to John Lennon with the Jesus comment. That was close to ruining the beatles. What about Jane Fonda and what she did? That was Treason and her life was never the same. never. I love Bruce and his music, he is a very nice man from what I am told, but with 700 mill in the bank it may be a little easier to be so brave. I don't care for his politics, but I love his music. I don't care much for the Dixie Chicks music and even less for their politics. Like I said before, beware before you enter the snake pit,you might get bit


Entered at Thu Apr 24 00:51:00 CEST 2003 from 1cust221.tnt1.roanoke.va.da.uu.net (67.201.125.221)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Radio, Radio & Rosanne Cash (From the Ridiculous to the Sublime)

The story that got very little attention in the whole Natalie Maines furor is that the corporate radio giant that sponsored the anti-Dixie Chicks rally in Louisiana has strong ties to the Bush family (surprise, surprise). Springsteen knows the music business inside out and he's one of the few artists who can call his own shots and maintain an amazing level of integrity--and his music (and the Dixie Chicks) will stand years after all the jingoistic, crass country crap is tossed in landfills.

Another artist who transcends the country genre is the remarkable Rosanne Cash and I'm dying to hear about John D's "intimate" evening with her last night. I was very happy just hearing her play with her band and getting her to sign a couple of her books two weeks ago...


Entered at Thu Apr 24 00:26:48 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Bruce has some good points. I support Bush, can't stand Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins. But what is going on, how organizations are cancelling all their scheduled appearances, is beginning to look like the Hollywood Blacklisting from the '50's. Do we really want to ruin these people's careers over their (stupid) political stances? It is a bit ugly. Then again, think of how many people who might be thought of as "right" wing who have been ruined by Liberal "boycotts" and "blacklists", like Dr. Laura, Jimmy the Greek, Al Campanis... That women's advocate who wants Augusta National to admit women members is doing all she can to get the major sponsors to boycott Augusta National... as long as THEY do it, it should work both ways, as long as it's private and not government enforced... I think it's time for BOTH sides to be a bit more tolerant of the opposition's right to speak out!


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Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Ray

You make a valid point. I am not sure there is that conspiracy thing going on with this. I think they pissed off alot of people with what they said. I also think that when this kind of thing happens people look for the nearest tree to hang them from, which of course is not really very fair. That happens in politics all the time, Trent Lott, etc ... So when "entertainers" want to enter the evil brutal world of politics then they should know what the cost of this is. There is always a cost for freedom, always Freedom, like politics is always a double edge sword


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Moondog, Felice & Da Boss...

Ah--today I finally found a replacement copy of the "Moondog Matinee" poster at a great used record and CD shop in Roanoke, Virginia called Safe as Milk Records. I even got a mint-condition copy of of the album to boot (the poster was apparently never removed from the record sleeve), and the whole package only set me back ten bucks. The store owner wouldn't sell me the Clarence White-era promo piece record divider for The Byrds that she had in the window, but you can't win 'em all.

The big accomplishment listed for Felice Bryant in the local paper down here in bluegrass and country music territory was that she helped pen the song "Rocky Top." The obituary also mentioned that she co-wrote songs that were recorded by everyone from Dean Martin and Tony Bennett to Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead.

Ray Pence: thank you for passing along that great quote from Bruce Springsteen. I wish he would run for president and clean up the economic and environmental disaster that grows worse in this country every day under the current oil barons running this country. I have four friends who have lost their jobs in the last four months, but I guess that's what they get for not working in the military-industrial complex...


Entered at Wed Apr 23 23:49:48 CEST 2003 from (129.237.148.74)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Pete T

you're right, no one has to buy the DC's music, but you don't address what Springsteen says about their being banned from radio networks and about the conformism enforced by government and corporations...thinking before one speaks is and always has been a good idea, having to police one's speech to satisfy the powers that be is another...as Abe Lincoln said you can't fool all the people all of the time and I think it's good to see that some artists aren't afraid to show they're not fooled...


Entered at Wed Apr 23 23:45:05 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Dixie Chicks ...

You know, I feel the same way about The Dixie Chicks. The mistake they made (or that Natalie made) was to basically bite the hand that feeds them. Most of (but not all of) the fan base for The Chicks is in the Midwest, Redneck, Republican, Texas, yada-yada ... Bush backers. The other thing that got them was their timing. That was mostly coincidence. When the press has a slow moment and one or two key people decide to fan a fire, to sell air time, it can and usually does, spread like wild fire. I hope they survive this unfair criticism. I think they are a talented and unique bunch. My guess is that, short of an invite to The White House and an endorsement and forgiving note from Bush himself. It is going to have some lasting consequences.

For what it's worth, I'll still buy their music. Even though I'm not one who spends much on music for myself. And not just as a gesture of support. I just like their music. And my wife would kill me if she thought I felt otherwise ...

$00.02 ...



Entered at Wed Apr 23 23:34:45 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-184.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.184)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: From Colorado to Bangladesh

Jeff- ‘Colorado’ from the Flying Burrito Brothers 3rd album is on my ‘best ever’ car CD (along with The Weight, Willing, And It Stoned Me and other favourites).

Yazooman – apologies. I should have written ‘Bangladeshi’ – I was thrown by the Bengali restaurant near my home! I see the word every day. On which I read somewhere that the majority of so-called “Indian” restaurants in Britain are more accurately “Bengali”, just as the majority of “Chinese” restaurants are actually Cantonese. Jackson Browne gave a long stage spiel about how much he enjoyed Bournemouth because it has more good Indian restaurants than Los Angeles. I thought he was joking, but a recent visitor from California said exactly the same.

Also, I’m very pleased that you call me ‘Peter’. It’s interesting that in the UK and USA we seek to be seen as ‘younger’ while in many other socities (including also Italy and much of the Far East) honour is attached to seniority / advancing years. It’s getting time for me to move somewhere that values grey hair rather than youth, though!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 23:25:25 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Pete T

Location: NH

Subject: Bruce and the Dixie Chicks

The Dixie Chicks are free to express their feelings about the war and so does Bruce. However, we as Americans have the right NOT to buy their music or support their art. freedom works both ways......Think before you speak


Entered at Wed Apr 23 23:04:44 CEST 2003 from (129.237.148.74)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: Springsteen Speaks Out

...on his website, for the Dixie Chicks. Right on, Bruce...

The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves. To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American.

The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about - namely freedom. Right now, we are supposedly fighting to create freedom in Iraq, at the same time that some are trying to intimidate and punish people for using that same freedom here at home.

I don't know what happens next, but I do want to add my voice to those who think that the Dixie Chicks are getting a raw deal, and an un-American one to boot. I send them my support.

Bruce Springsteen


Entered at Wed Apr 23 22:32:19 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

I wonder what other improvements Nazareth could make to those Bryant lyrics. Or maybe they could have a go at "The Old Man and the Sea". A rock opera perhaps - "Scale of the Fish"? Maybe our opera lovers could help out. Ed Voci, come on down!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 21:57:53 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Felice & Boudleaux Bryant: The Heart of the Matter

Thinking about some of the great songs written by Felice & Boudleaux Bryant, I've always been struck by the clarity of the lyrics. Like Hemmingway's prose, what appears to be simple on the surface actually captures a depth of beauty. Always concise, absent extraneous words, the Bryants painted crystal-clear images that captured the heart of the matter. This conciseness in their lyrics also benefited the singers who performed the songs, allowing them plenty of breathing room to inject emotion into their interpretation.

Close your eyes & imagine the voices of Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris as they sang:
"I really learned a lot
Really learned a lot
Love is like a stove
Burns you when it's hot
Love hurts, mmm mmm, love hurts"

Or Rick Danko, as he sang:
"The sun is out, the sky is blue
There's not a cloud to spoil the view
But it's raining, raining in my heart"

Or the youthful exuberance of the Everly Brothers as they sang:
"We've both been sound asleep
Wake up little Suzie and weep
The movie's over, it's four o'clock
And we're in trouble deep
Wake up, little Suzie"

Or the playfulness, as John Prine & Iris Dement sang:
"If anyone could find the joy
That true love brings a girl and boy
We could
We could, you and I"


Entered at Wed Apr 23 21:33:01 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Lil: I've really only heard the Jim Capaldi and Nazareth versions of "Love Hurts" enough times to have had them imprinted in my mind. Capaldi's has 'stove', and as I heard it a bit earlier, I've always assumed that 'stove' was in the original. Surely nobody'd be so thick as to switch 'flame' to 'stove'?


Entered at Wed Apr 23 20:45:26 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

I was reading the April edition of Mojo Magazine, and the new cds by Emory Joseph and Burrito Deluxe featuring Levon and Garth got wonderful reviews. There was also a nice review of the Salute to the Blues concert in NYC, but unfortunately it did not mention Levon's playing.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 20:42:15 CEST 2003 from mcha-ai093.taconic.net (205.231.28.93)

Posted by:

Lil

Supratik (Hi!).. I read with interest your post about addressing 'seniors' (oh god.. am I _that_ old? :-) and wanted to tell you that this is the first place I ever called people who are 'senior' to me by their first names (with their permission). I was brought up to _always_ call people older than me "Mr" or "Mrs" out of respect. I've taught my kids the same, and they know they are to only call an older person by their first name if that person requests they do so. I however, hate it when my kids friends call me "Mrs ...". Makes me feel like my mother-in-law. Arggh.

Bill: The tune "Love Hurts".. was the original line actually "Love is like a _stove_??". Heheh.. that made me laugh. I think I've only heard the "flame" version.

Have a good day everyone. Peace Jan.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 20:02:52 CEST 2003 from dap-216-151-74-202.nfas.monroe-tnt-2.sns234.pa.stargate.net (216.151.74.202)

Posted by:

mary (bear)

Location: western pa

Subject: Dave Z.

Dave I enjoyed the picture. So far as I know, my son is well. After all, no news in this case is good news. I believe he is still in Basra or Un Nasirhyia area. His battalion are the ones who discovered the 121 bunkers of ammunition. Last I heard from MSNBC news, his unit was still cataloging it all. They were dissappointed they couldn't be in Baghdad from the reports, but this mother was grateful because at first it looked as though they were going to meet with much resistance. Thanks to all who have emailed and inquired here in the GB about my son. I truly appreciate it. Now once more, I am going to ask if anyone has heard of The Clarks. They were once a local college band here in Pittsburgh, but seem to have been touring throughout the US. Great band. Well everyone have a good day now.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 19:40:35 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Mike D. Yes,I had the names of the compilation and the live Burritos cd confused. My living circumstances have been nomadic the last several years to say the least( My father's father's mother was Mongolian and it seems to have far reaching effects. BTW, that is true, no joke Fred). Most of my older music is in boxes, and sin of sins, I once left a box of 3oo to 400 cds with a relative, who shipped em to me and they got lost in shipping. At least the fact that they were cds means they are probably all replacable.

Anyway, without having frequent use of my older music, and visual access and confirmation,of course I get a little out of touch. About a year ago someone, I think it was bassmanlee, implored me to get my cds out of the boxes. Good advice, probably will be a while till it happens. But I am hungry for a Burrito. May have to take some out of the freezer.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 19:31:12 CEST 2003 from h-69-3-216-58.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.216.58)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Seniors

Supratik, I commend your manners when addressing the GB's senior posters.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 19:29:05 CEST 2003 from arc1-158.elwood.in.hypervine.net (216.117.106.158)

Posted by:

Shawn

Subject: I have an old Band Show Master

Hello, I have an old master tape in my hands that I'm burning to cd. I'm a Neil Young completist and I found a guy who had the Cleveland 8/31/74 CSNY show. But he also taped the opening act which was The Band. If anyone is interested contact via e-mail. Which is newcomer@netusa1.net Take care, Shawn


Entered at Wed Apr 23 19:08:57 CEST 2003 from 168-103-147-163.interprise.net (168.103.147.163)

Posted by:

Tony

Location: Cubtown, U.S.A.

Subject: behind the music: robbie robertson

Last night I was on my way to an open mic night
in chicago and I flipped on WXRT 93.1
(a great radio station btw that last week hosted a celebration of Tom Petty's five show stint in CHI-town, capping it with a live broadcast of the last show).
Anyway, they play great music. So last night about 9:30 or so,
I turn it on and I hear that Behind the Music narrator's voice
and he's talking about The Band and mostly Robbie.
Of course I drove around for another half hour listening to the rest.

I've never seen it televised on VH1. Has anyone else?

They schmaltzed it up a bit as they do,
talking about the feud between Robbie and Levon
and how it's all fueled by money and drug abuse.
I caught the last half which usually focuses on the downfall,
if you now the outline for the show
(I got a little teary-eyed when they talked about Richard's death)
Some great sound bytes from Robbie as it was about him and not The Band
(Levon declined to comment for the show)
So I finally get to the open mic night
and what do I hear someone playing as I order my beer,
but "I Shall be Released"
All in all it was a great night

"But I swearrr I see my reflection...."


Entered at Wed Apr 23 18:58:14 CEST 2003 from 88.ppp141.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.141.88)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Subject: Yazooman aka Supratik

Thanks for your messages from India. Good luck!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 18:02:49 CEST 2003 from 56k-socal-06-25.dial.qnet.com (209.221.199.88)

Posted by:

Dave tpg

Subject: Bob Dylan opening for The Dead

I hope I can catch one of these shows out west.

Does anyone know who replaced Charlie Sexton?


Entered at Wed Apr 23 17:26:53 CEST 2003 from cpe-65-25-199-100.mn.rr.com (65.25.199.100)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN
Web: My link

Any chance I can get a Canadian GBer who plans on taping the Garth show on the 22nd to make a copy for me?... I am taping the PBS Muddy Waters special tonight and can return the favor by making a copy... just email me at dlzuckATzucks.com if interested...

I finally got Road Runner and hooked my Mac up in a wireless network... so now things are fast... and I can be outside too... Yeah!!!!

Mary (bear): See above link for a pix of my pilot bro-in-law... nicknamed Spalding... I hope your son is doing well... I loved your Thanksgiving story... I am hoping the BBs will detour through the Carolinas this summer so I can catch up with my family and possibly take them to a show...


Entered at Wed Apr 23 16:51:09 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: In the Georgia pines

Subject: Rick Roberts & Dino

As the story goes, it was Rick Roberts & Chris Hillman who first noticed Emmylou Harris performing in a small club in Washington, D.C. Mr. Hillman soon thereafter brought Gram Parsons to see her, and the rest, as they say, is history.

After leaving the Hawks, Fred Carter, Jr. became a session guitarist & songwriter based in Nashville. Dean Martin recorded a couple of Mr. Carter's songs, who later named his daughter after Mr. Martin. Years later, Deana Carter brought honor to the heritage of both her namesakes by becoming a sucessful singer herself.

Speaking of names -- Dean Martin made a series of films in which he played a James Bond-like character named Matt Helm. Acting opposite of Mr. Martin is these films were such starlets as Stella Stevens, Elke Sommer, Ann Margaret, Tina Louise and Sharon Tate. Although his movie portrayal of the secret agent was done as a farcical spoof, the character of Mr. Helm derived from a series of paperback thrillers written by Donald Hamilton.

So it seems, Fred Carter has crossed paths with two very different Mr. Helms in his illustrious career (:-)


Entered at Wed Apr 23 15:53:30 CEST 2003 from zorg21.revealed.net (208.243.237.21)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Burritos

Lastly, their 1971 live album "Last Of The Red Hot Burritos" contains a cover of "Ain't That A Lot Of Love". Vastly different from the cut The Band did on Islands.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 15:47:52 CEST 2003 from zorg21.revealed.net (208.243.237.21)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Burritos/PutEmUp

The cd you are referring to is called "Hot Burritos", which compiles the first three Burritos albums in their entirety, as well as a rare sing (The Train Song) and highlights from the other three albums (Last Of The Red Hot Burritos, Close Up The Honky Tonks and Sleepless Nights). The highlight for me is a recording of "Here Tonight" from the sessions for "The Flying Burrito Brothers", which includes a cameo by Gene Clark. A great set to have. A shame their isn't an official live set available from the Gram era of The Burritos.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 15:40:17 CEST 2003 from zorg21.revealed.net (208.243.237.21)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Grapm/PutEmUp

Richie Furay's song "Crazy Eyes" was written about Gram, that's true. However, the song was released before Gram's death. Also, on the same Poco album is a cover of Gram's "Brass Buttons".


Entered at Wed Apr 23 15:24:22 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

RUBY

Location: NY

Subject: SILK CITY

Silk City in Philly with Levon and The Hombres, I am there, I missed Boston cause of work , I will not miss this. John Cass I owe you the beer now. Hope to see all you Philly people This Saturday......... Red


Entered at Wed Apr 23 15:13:42 CEST 2003 from ppp340.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.24)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: Viney-Microphones

Peter, my first experience with "real live" music came in Cuba about 15 or 20 years ago. We were staying at a nice resort and every day at noon they had 4 guitars and a singer entertain for a half hour.

Because we are of the electronic age I was amazed at the very well balanced performance. The vocalist rose above the guitars and the players sang harmony on the chorus. Even so each guitar and each voice could be heard seperately and still beautifully balanced.

It was quite an experience and one I enjoyed as a way of looking back to an age when when we had no form of electronic amplification.

Even though it was amplified it reminded me of Levon & Rick D at the Elmo in Toronto ...just the two of them singing and playing as if they were right in your living room playing for a private party.

Turns out the electronic generation has its limitations.

shineonpaulg


Entered at Wed Apr 23 14:41:43 CEST 2003 from 1cust79.tnt1.roanoke.va.da.uu.net (67.201.125.79)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Muddy Waters

PBS is airing a documentary about the life of Muddy Waters this week. Check your local listings. Does this stuff air internationally?


Entered at Wed Apr 23 14:03:04 CEST 2003 from (203.197.126.107)

Posted by:

Yazooman

Subject: observations for Crabby and Peter (Viney) :)

Crabby.....Bombay has now indeed become Mumbai now as Calcutta has become Kolkata (eeks!!). These are the new Indianised names of course but I prefer the old ones. I guess the politicians have nothing better to do.

Peter....its interesting to note that in Britain "Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis are called Asians." I guess that should be Bangladeshi instead of Bengalis since I am an Indian and a Bengali. :))

Actually Bengalis are the people of Bangladesh (erstwhile East bengal)as well as of the Indian state of West Bengal (like me). Bangladeshi Bengalis are predominantly Muslims while those in India are largely Hindus (like Saurav Ganguly, the Indian cricket captain). This resulted due to the British partition of Bengal on religious lines in 1905 and then later in 1947. Which is why my family, a Hindu one, that was originally settled in East Bengal had to migrate to Calcutta in West Bengal in 1947 after the second partition. (The films of Ritwik Ghatak brilliantly show the effect of the migration on the common people who had to leave everything behind.)

P.S. I hope its okay to call you Peter,....its kinda uncomfortable for me because in India its improper to call somebody who is pretty senior to oneself by his first name. What we do is attach the suffix da (or di for females) after the names of seniors if we call them by first name. Da stands for dada (elder brother) and di for didi (elder sister). But I guess Peter da, Crabby da, Calvin da and Lil di would be rather far-fetched here... ;)

PPS. And thanx for all the fish to Jan da. ;))


Entered at Wed Apr 23 13:43:09 CEST 2003 from (203.197.126.107)

Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: Calcutta

Subject: abt me

Hi all,

My two years at business school are over now and I am finally joining the corporate world (Where's my Armani?? ;) ). During placements I managed to dupe a company that is supposed to be Asia's largest software services firm and my job will be interacting with clients and selling the company services. I just keep on hoping that the company manages to send me to the US for a stint so that I can manage to see Levon play. :)

On the other side, this also means that my 24 hour access to the net is now gone. Which in turn implies that my visits to this site will come down from a rather healthy number of times a day to a more modest number. I hope to be visiting at least daily though. However this also means no more downloading from gdlive.com and other similar websites. :((

But then I figure....its time I took out the message of The Band's music to other greener pastures. After influencing a good number of people in my friend circle and in my undergraduate and graduate colleges, the Indian corporate world's is next in line to be enlightened. Wish me luck !!:D

Of course....thanks to The Band and its music for seeing me through all the good times and the bad.

YAZOO..... aka supratik

PS. Just picked up The Band's Live at Loreley VCD from a store here, I have no idea how it got there...but I guess I deserved something after all this !!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 12:30:19 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Peter, you are a lucky man, Rick Robert's beautiful voice, along with the best stage sound! Rick has one of those voices that just hits you inside. With surgical precision, right where it counts. "Colorado", on the last Burrito's album from the first and the real run of the band, is in my top 500 songs of all time. And when you make the top 500, #1 and #500 are all the same.

Last time I saw Rick, Roberts that is, the "Byrds" run at the Lone Star in NY back in 85. Gene Clark, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Jon York, Sneaky Pete, Michael Clarke (possibly with a broken foot and all, remember that from one of the last times I saw him),Blondie Chaplin, Rick Roberts, am I leaving anyone out? How is that for 6 voices to hear at one time? Greg Harris might of been on this one, not sure. I know he showed up at the Lone Star that year for something.

Rick Roberts' 2 solo albums from the 70s are masterpieces, but especially the first. "Windmills" i believe it is called. Somebody "borrowed"it on me.

Anyone out there have a clues as to what he is up to? My bet is he is in Colorado somewhere.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 11:29:55 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-218.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.218)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Stage sound

Talk of the Flying Burrito Bros – I always say that the Rick Roberts version I saw had about the best stage sound I ever heard – until the last couple of years, when Paul Simon, Jackson Browne and James Taylor all had impeccable stage sound. Paul Simon was louder than the last two, who like the Burritos had small stage amps mic’d into the PA. Stage sound is something that not enough bands pay attention to. Simon had sound engineers analysing the venues the year before the tour and feeding the info into a computer. That’s going a bit far, but so often bands get it wrong for the hall.

The problem is that a hall sounds different with an audience in, and usually the bodies absorb and deaden the sound so you need more volume in the show than soundchecking. BUT this doesn’t work in the best halls. I did lights at the Winter Gardens in Bournemouth, which was that rarity an accidentally near-perfect hall. The BBC used it for live symphony broadcasts for years. I’m not sure about a pin dropping, but the stage manager was fond of demonstrating the acoustic by striking a match on stage. The result was that you didn’t need a lot of volume to fill it, and if bands poured in too much volume it bounced back all over them and the sound was horrible. The worst-sounding band I ever heard in my life was Santana who shoved their full stadium PA at eleven on the volume control in this concert hall and were therefore a total mess (and failed to realize or correct, which is worse).

Van Morrison expressed concern about stage sound a couple of years back and he did some shows in smaller halls with no mics on the drum kit. The theory being that a drummer can easily play loud enough for 1000 people in a decent hall, so you bring down the rest of the instruments to the unamplified drum sound rather than the opposite. Back to circa 1964 before people started mic’ing the drums. I don’t think it worked too well, because a couple of months later he had a mic on the drums – but only one. We’re so used to amplification of the kit that it sounds weak without it. You need to have drum mics anyway so that the sound engineer can control every instrument. Judging by Steve Gadd’s complex sound on the Paul Simon tour he had a lot of mics on the kit- the most impressive drummer I’ve heard on stage.

I am told that the early 70s Band had legendary stage sound and never played too loud for the hall. I only saw them in a stadium, so can’t judge. I twice saw the 90s Band play too loud for the hall – quite badly so in Vancouver, even though the show was magic. So, the Flying Burrito Brothers, in my experience, had a better stage sound in 1971 than anything I saw until Paul Simon in 2001.


Entered at Wed Apr 23 06:12:50 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

pubcrawler

Location: mount joy,pa.

Subject: philly show

great site! i see on wxpn's website levon and the "last hombres" are at silk city in philly this sat(26th). guess there's a lot of levon to go around. i've been to the club,there's a great diner next store.food and music,yahoo


Entered at Wed Apr 23 05:31:09 CEST 2003 from 1cust43.tnt1.roanoke.va.da.uu.net (67.201.125.43)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Movie Music

Crabby: I wanted to go see "A Mighty Wind" last night but it wasn't playing in the Virginia college town (Charlottesville) where I spent the night. I wound up catching "Holes," a brilliant flick based on Louis Sachar's book of the same name. The good Dr. John turns up over the closing credits to add just the right musical finishing touch to a film that is an imaginative departure from the formulaic dreck that most American movies are these days...


Entered at Wed Apr 23 05:11:36 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Holes

Well I slept in the holler
of a dry creek bed
and I tore out the buckets
from a red Corvette, tore out the buckets from a red Corvette
Lionel and Dave and the Butcher made three
you got to meet me by the knuckles of the skinnybone tree
with the strings of a Washburn
stretched like a clothes line
you know me and that mule scrambled right through the hole

I'm gonna whittle you into kindlin'
Black Crow 16 shells from a thirty-ought-six
whittle you into kindlin'
Black Crow 16 shells from a thirty-ought-six

Tom Waits

Sometimes ya just gotta ...



Entered at Wed Apr 23 04:33:51 CEST 2003 from 1cust162.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.162)

Posted by:

Crabgrass' Movie Review

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: A Mighty Wind

Go see it immediately! (And don't leave when the credits start to roll - you'll miss some very funny songs.)

[Highest Rating - ////////// 10 Crabgrass blades!!]


Entered at Wed Apr 23 04:06:37 CEST 2003 from hvc-204-210-137-188.hvc.rr.com (204.210.137.188)

Posted by:

Russ

Location: Rosendale,NY

Subject: Nazareth -

Wow.... Nazareth! - I saw them in the early 80's in Poughkeepsie, and bought the live S'Nazz record back then, only to find that Java Blues was on it too. A live version they did during their acoustic set. See: http://theband.hiof.no/albums/snaz.html - Cool. Russ!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 03:26:36 CEST 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp3483480.sympatico.ca (65.92.92.127)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Bill/ Nazareth

Funny how Nazereth has hit this site. Years back, while hanging out with Dan McCafferty, Darrell Sweet, Pete Agnew and Manny Charlton(Nazereth),over a beverage and some of Canada's best(hence the leaf on our flag),I was told by Dan that they got the name of their band from The Weight. I guess the boy's influenced many a musician. More to come,maybe. Peace,Love, Paul


Entered at Wed Apr 23 02:00:55 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Interesting discussion on Gram Parsons today. Gram was all heart, Gene Clark too. Ya can't talk about those two guys with nothing but a mind. ya gotta feel it, do it from inside or comes out empty and flat.

Speakin' of "flat", where's my back-up singer ... Hit it kid!


Entered at Wed Apr 23 01:40:33 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where Border's and Barbara's Books carries Oxford America)

Subject: David Powell, Oxford America, Gourds

David Powell: Thanks for the tip on the Oxford America Southern music issue. First, Hiatt, now this. You are the Tipmeister and I bow to your prowess. The Southern music issue of OA is a must, especially this one cuz its got Gourds. (And, OA is not provincial; I remember two years ago when it included a nice piece on, of all people, Dean Martin. btw,I have the LP "Dean Martin: The Knashville Sessions"). I have alerted the Gourds listers and they are out scowering the countryside as we speak.


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: love is like a stove?

"Love Hurts" is a great song. But kudos must go to the bright soul (Manny Charlton?) who changed 'stove' to 'flame'. Whenever I hear the Nazareth version, I think of one of my classmates, who, in discussing it when it was a hit, said, "You mean the one where the guy sounds like he's got a pickle up his ass?" About right.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Raining in My Heart

I also forgot -- Rick Danko sang a wonderful version of "Raining in My Heart" with the Ringo Starr All-Star Band.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Philly Show

Just got back from the city. I really, really enjoyed the show at the North Star Cafe. Levon was clearly happy playing with people who felt the same way he did about music. I was actually so happy for him that I shed a tear or two. The only negative thing about the whole show was that Levon looked so thin! He needs a couple of banana shakes. Butch, see if you can convince him to have a couple a week. Levon is still the best drummer, bar none!!!

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rosanne Cash

Am looking forward to seeing Rosanne Cash & husband/producer John Leventhal tonight for an intimate small concert for media while she is in town doing promo for her new CD. She does not tour very often. It's kind of rare to see her perform live at any time. As she told me in an interview.....the kids come first.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Felice Bryant

I'll be listening to the Everly Brothers this evening. Also John Prine & Iris Dement singing "We Could", a song that Felice Bryant wrote on her own. Gram Parsons of course recorded a great version of Mr. Bryant's "Love Hurts" with Emmylou. The songs that Felice & Boudleaux Bryant penned transcend time.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Thanks Jeff

Cancer is not a subject one wants to get confused about; but Jeff is right. It was Mike fighting Cancer not Jim. Sorry Ray G for the misinformation. I got mixed up with my guitar players.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Mike DeMicco, current lead guitarist in the Cromatix, solo artist, and member of the Dolphins, won his battle with liver cancer. Mike is a wonderful , sweet guy, and a incredible musician. I saw him this past summer, and he appeared healthy, was his normal , friendly self, and played his ass off. I do not believe Jimmy Eppard has cancer. Jimmy is another incredible guitar player, one of those guys who can play anything. Have not talked to him recently but you can bet your life I will soon.


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Posted by:

John D

Felice Bryant, who with her late husband wrote "Bye Bye Love" and other Everly Brothers hits including "Rocky Top," died today. She was 77.

Her husband, Boudleaux, who died in 1987, and she wrote or co-wrote 800 recorded songs cut by more than 500 vocalists. Their songs have accounted for approximately 500 million in sales. Some of their other big hits include the Everlys' "Wake Up Little Susie," and "Raining in My Heart," recorded by Buddy Holly.

Others who recorded songs by the Bryants included Elvis Presley, the Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, The Beach Boys, Tony Bennett, Simon & Garfunkel, Ray Charles, Roy Orbison and Sarah Vaughan.

Alone, Boudleaux Bryant also wrote "All I Have to Do Is Dream" and "Devoted to You," both recorded by the Everly Brothers, and "Love Hurts," recorded by Orbison. Felice Bryant was born in Milwaukee. She sang on the radio as a child but her true passion was poetry.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou / Gram Parsons

Didn't notice any mention of Emmylou's touching song for Gram Parsons "Boulder To Birmingham" which is still a mainstay of her repertoire. Click above link for words.


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Posted by:

Bones

Peter: Thanks for answering my post. I am interested by "The Gift" by Clapton and Robertson. I'm sorry that was never released. Robbie should dig it up and put it on a box set, and see if Levon and Garth will play on it.

You also mentioned the song Robbie wrote with Maria McKee. She has just released a new cd after a long time (1996's Life Is Sweet). The new release is titled High Dive and it is out today I believe.


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Posted by:

JP McCaffrey

Location: Hoboken, New Jersey

Subject: Music & The Matt Angus Thing...

For starters, I am a HUGE fan of The Band! I just recently (Friday, April 18th, 2003) went to see The Matt Angus Thing at the Stanhope House in New Jersey, which was sold out, but I had no idea what to expect from the show. I did know that I would get to see some great live music, however, I wasn't expecting to see an 11-piece band. They started out with an instrumental and into a few ballads, which pretty much left open what was about to come... Midway through their set, The Matt Angus Thing invited up to the stage a three-piece horn section and three back-up vocalists. Only a couple songs later they break out into 'The Weight' playing along with The Harlem Gospel Choir and the three-piece horn section. TRULY AMAZING! The harmonization and instrumentals were tight. The crowd jumped up and started to dance and sing along with The Thing... After The Weight, they played one of their originals and then broke out into 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down', also with the Harlem Gospel Choir and the three-piece horn section. Again, TRULY AMAZING! Overall, I really enjoyed their show and cannot wait to see them again. The energy coming off the stage that evening was inspiring and invigorating… PeacE!


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Posted by:

socool

Location: finland
Web: My link

keep it rolling!=)


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

After Gram Parson's death, Bernie Leadon wrote "My Man" for him, which appeared on the Eagle's "On The Border" LP, and Richie Furay wrote "Crazy Eyes", for Gram, which was the title cut o the last album he made with Poco. Next album he made was of course The SHF band, with none other than Chris Hillman.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: In the Georgia pines

Subject: Grievous Angels

"'Cause I headed West to grow up with the country
Across those prairies with the waves of grain
And I saw my devil, and I saw my deep blue sea
And I thought about a calico bonnet from Cheyenne to Tennesee."

"Burrito Deluxe" ironically is also the title of the second Flying Burrito Brothers album. Following in the bootsteps of their classic debut, "Gilded Palace of Sin", it was recorded at a time when the group was going through many distracting changes. Gram Parsons was slipping away into what could politely be called "his leaving Los Angeles period". Bassist Chris Etheridge had departed and Chris Hillman took over the bass, as Bernie Leadon came on board on guitar & other instruments. In addition, Mr. Leadon added much needed creative imput, taking up some of the slack as Mr. Parsons drifted away. Michael Clarke had taken over on drums, replacing the session drummers from the first record. Guest musicians Leon Russell, on piano, and Byron Berline, on fiddle, also appeared on the album.

For me, the highlights of "Burrito Deluxe" are the two Parsons/Hillman collaborations, "High Fashion Queen" and "Down In The Churchyard", along with the covers of "Wild Horses" and Dylan's "If You Gotta Go".

Bassmanlee: The Byrd's "Farther Along" features a great vocal by Clarence White on Larry Murray's "Bugler". This classic country song recounts the sad story of a boy and his departed dog. Themewise -- it don't get better than this, unless you're singing about your mama, a cheatin' lover, drinkin', trucks or trains, or a combination of all of the above (:-)

Clarence White was killed by a drunk driver, not long before Gram Parsons died at the age of 26 from a combination of too many other bad things. Mr. Parsons wrote a tribute to Clarence White, "In My Hour of Darkness", that appeared on his last album. Here are a few lines that say it all:

"Another young man safely strummed his silver string guitar
And played to people everywhere, some say he was a star
But he was just a country boy, his simple songs confess
And the music he had in him, so very few possess."


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River NY

Subject: John D

John,

Sorry to hear the bad news about Jim Eppard. I was listening to Levon and the Crowmatix Souvenir earlier in the week and was really nocked out by his playing. Of particular intrest was his guitar work on Rag Mamma Rag. He did a great job of covering the horn parts as well as the guitar parts, very cool. I really like the Crows and think that he's their definitve guitar guy, hope he wins the fight!


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Posted by:

Bill

Since nobody else here has, I will note the passing of the incomparable Nina Simone, one of whose records I'm listening to right now - mostly so I'll get to hear her powerful version of "Sinner Man". No Band links that I know of, though she did a nice version of "I Shall Be Released".


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Posted by:

mary (bear)

Location: western pa

Subject: Levon

So sorry I missed Levons show in Philly Friday night...Hey Butch, when are you all going to make it back to Pittsburgh, I hope soon. Anyway, did get to see a show on Saturday night at The Palace Theatre by The Clarks....I just love their music. Has anybody else heard of them. I really love them, but no one beats The Band in my book. Have a good day now.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Gram and other musical musings.

The combined GP/Grevious Angel disk is still in print, in stock at both BMG and Amazon and is THE recommended starting place for Gram's work. It's buyer beware on some of the later Burrito packages as eventually there were few if any original members. By 'Back To The Sweethearts of the Rodeo' (a safe pass) it's basically John Beland and Gib Gilbeau admittedly trying for country radio success with some pretty bland material. That being said, I still enjoyed 'California Jukebox' which is redeemed by the presence of Sneeky Pete and some well-chosen guests.

Just now getting my first taste of the Gourd's via their official unofficial site, and downloading a complete show to get the whole experience. What's played so far makes me see what the fuss might be about. Hey any band that covers Roger Miller ('Dang Me') can't be all bad!

Spring has brought the flea markets and tag sales back in bloom, and the vinyl hunt resumes. Harry Nilson kept popping up, serendipitously after picking up a tribute CD last week. Also took a chance on a possibly salvageable copy of the Byrd's Farther Along (needs a good wash) thanks to the recommendation of some of you good folks. On an entirely different note, King Crimson's new disk 'The Power To Believe' gets a big thumbs up for striking a balance between old-style Krim mystery and grandeur and the sometimes off-putting instrumental pyrotechnics of some of their recent projects. A fine return to form if you're at all a fan of theirs. Oh, and finally picked up CD of Storyville, liking it better than I remembered, and much better than RR. And what's in your player?


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Oxford American

David P, did you receive your subscription copy? I still don't have mine, and usually subscriptions arrive before the news-stand copies are out. I may have to go out and hunt down a news-stand copy so I can be sure to get one. I hope the new Oxford American in Little Rock improves their fulfillment practices.

Yes, Amanada, if you don't have Gram Parsons' Grievous Angel run right out and get it. Pick up Return of the Grievous Angel while you're at it. This is a disk of other people doing Gram's songs, and was my favorite listening for a year or so. Emmy Lou produced it and it introduced me to the Mavricks, with the voice of Raul Malo. Great stuff.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.
Web: My link

Subject: Oxford American Southern Music Issue / The Gourds

The 2003 edition of the Oxford American Southern Music issue just hit the newsstands. Last year the magazine almost went under & there was no 2002 music issue, but thankfully, the magazine's been revived & is back with a vengeance.

For it's annual issue devoted to all types of Southern Music, you get a free CD of songs chosen by the magazine's staff along with articles profiling the various performing artists, as well as other pieces devoted to music.

Ed Voci will be glad to hear that "El Paso", by the Gourds, is included on the CD compilation, with a nice article about the group. Some of my favorite songs from the CD include the great Little Milton's "Grits Ain't Groceries", P.J. Proby's "Niki Hoeky" and "Leaving Loachaoka" by Marshall Chapman. By the way -- two great Marshalls come from South Carolina; those Tucker boys & the lovely Ms. Chapman.

For further details about the Oxford American Southern Music issue, click on the link above.


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Posted by:

Fred

I don't know if anyone has made this connection before, but I remember that someone posted (unfortunately can't remember who) a while back that Levon's favourite actor is Strother Martin (or at least I believe that to be the case), well tonight on TV The Horse Soldiers was on. In it Strother Martin has a bit part ....a rebel soldier (deserter actually) that goes by the name of Virgil (no last name). The film is from 1959.

I also wonder if Levon will be working with Larry Thurston (what a voice) again, and if there are any plans for Levon and Garth to collaborate on something?

Put Up Your Dukes: snoring indeed!!


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Posted by:

Klaas

Web: My link

Nice work! Keep it up, I like the site, so don't let it die!!!!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Hey Dave Z, thanks for the comments about "School For Fools". Very interesting description of Larry's voice. I love that your kids kept urging you to turn it up. Ed Voci played it for a birthday party full of his daughter's friends, and they loved it too! And the 2 songs you mentioned, Lost Dog Blues and Seventeen Years are straight out of my life. And yes, Larry did bust out in the studio recording the vocals. Aside from a very occassional, very limited live performance, the man basically has no involvement with music, or desire to be invilved with music. But my material got under his skin, and he signed up. A big honor to me, and I am proud of his performance. And it was like watching a jail break man. We were having fun, and Larry was working his way in, working off the nervous pent up creative energy that had been lurking below the surface for years. And all of a sudden, boom , he busted out.The walls came tumbling down, and he was breathing free man's air, experiencing creative freedom for the first time in a long time. And he did get wacky, and we, me and the 2 engineers in the studio, Al Houghton and Jason Marcucci, had a ball. As did Larry.

Amanda, I do not yet have Burrito Deluxe, but I read on the website for it that it was a homage to the old Burrito sound, and a rerecording of a lot of those songs. I am hurried now, just in from a 24 hour road trip and behind schedule, so this will be less than a full accounting of what I really want to say. Gram Parsons joined the Byrds briefly for Sweetheart of the Rodeo, then left.Pretty quickly Chris Hillman joined him and they started the Flying Burrito Bros. Prior to the Byrds venture, Parsons had the International Submarine Band, with which he launced his efforts at developing what he called "Cosmic American Music". Now the Burritos were actually a jam thing that washappening around LA, with Leon Russell, Chris Ehteridge, Delaney and Bonnie, anyone who was around. It became formalized in the Parsons, Hillman, Etheridge, Kleinow, and Michael Clarke formation (Clarke came and went a few times early on before he finally stuck. A few drummers were used till he stayed put). The Burritos were am amalgam of music, from Merle Haggard to Dan Penn, to Larry Williams (Bony Moronie) to Bob Dylan. They could soul or country you to tears, or rock you till you could not rock no more. And first class, baby, no 99% ever.

The Burritos were also about great songwriting, great harmonies, as well as great playing. In that way, as well as in the way they melded so amny great influences, they were like our Band. Where the difference is , is that the Burritos had many great songwriting teams. One guy would drop out, another head grew in his place. First it was Parsons and Etheridge (one of the most unique bass palyers ever),and simultaneously Hillman and Parsons. Then Hillman and Rick Roberts. And even Hillman, Roberts, and Gene Clark.

There is a double album Burrito cd, compiling songs from 68 to 72, which was the bands demise till 75, when Gene Parsons, Chris Etheridge, Joel Scott Hill, And Sneaky Pete and Gib Guilbeau started a Burrito reunion, and these reunions still happen to this day in different configurations. Etherisdge died a few years back. I think the cd I am talking about is called LAst of the Red Hot Burritos. It is a wondrous collection that will show you what "cosmic american music" was and is about. And if you want, picking up Garm's Grievous Angel will blow your mind as well. Cosmic, American, and music. Me, I just call everything music. Don't much like titles, especailly Americana. Man, the music was here so long before the title came. And people were loving it long before Oh Brother, where Art Thou.

There is also a live Burrito cd from 72, where Hillman, Rick Roberts, Michael Clark, and Al Perkins really stretch out on some killer rock and roll. When it came to rock and roll, and soul/ roll, the Burritos were definitely in the same league as the Band. Not as documented, not as well known, and believe it or not, there history was even more chaotic, and ther lifestyle as debauchered or even more.

For some awe inspiring beauty, check out the 3 songs at the end of that double disk that feature Gene Clark collaborating and singing with Hillman and Rick Roberts. You asked a simple question, got a rambling, hurried answer, but , to summarize, if Burrito Deluxe hits the mark of paying homage to the Burrito sound, then it should be "Cosmic American Music".


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Deana Carter

Channel surfin last night and came across the CMT and there was Deana Carter...Fred Carter Jr's Daughter.

She certainly has something special to offer to the music world.

Good to see Fred...wish he and his daughter might have sat down and shared a few licks on the guitar.

I met Fred at the RCO party at Levon's.

Fred was nice enough to play a bit on my 12 string G45 Gibson. If memory serves someone walked away with his brand new RCO jacket that day.

Anyway...nice to see the BAND relations family grow.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Water Of Tyne

Location: Northumberland, England
Web: My link

Subject: Mr. Katz & Shangri-La

re: Jonathan's Shangri-La visit - I found it in the Archive (see link above).

Thanks Johnathan - that's next year's vacation sorted!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Robbie compositions

Bones: The info about Robbie’s credits came from the ASCAP songwriters section on his compositions (see ASCAP website), which include both the Touchstone Pictures Logo and the Whoopi Goldberg Show theme and cues.

If you also look at the BMI songwriters list, you find Levon & The Hawks stuff and his co-compositions too, presumably because co-writers were BMI registered. e.g. The Way That You Use It (with Clapton), Nobody’s Child (with Maria McKee), What About Now (with Ivan Neville), Ghost Dance (with Jim Wilson), Cherokee Morning Song (with Rita Coolidge).

There’s an interesting research angle here. There are quite a number of unreleased songs on the two lists. Harm Van Sleen did some work on this. It turns up a few (probably early) unreleased items.

Treasure Untold (Arc Music)
by Marion Oliver & Robbie Robertson. This is probably early because Marion Oliver co-wrote Hawkins Come Love. She was a Brill Building songwriter.
(I Want To Be The) Rainmaker (Hollis Music)
Hollis Music published the Levon & The Hawks singles, which indicates that this song is contemporaneous.
Bisquits and Taters (Quality Music) - this was recorded at Hallmark Studios, Toronto in the Autumn of 1964 by Levon and the Hawks. Never released.
Fifteen Years of Nothing (Lari-Jon Publishers)
Good Luck Soldier (Style Songs) Roscoe Barnhart & Robbie Robertson
I Just Went And Fell In Love With You (Pro-Canada Clearing)
Gift (Unichappell Music) Eric Clapton & Robbie Robertson


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

White men know very little about being prejudged, unless of course it's in the positive sense, we have it made for christ sakes, and if your white, rich and a C student at Yale your the friggen President of the most powerful nation in the world......


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Location: Connecticut

Subject: Muddy Waters/White Stripes

Amanda: Thanks for the head's up on he Muddy Waters Doc. It airs in my local area on April 27, on PBS and I' really looking forward to it.

For all the White Stripes fans:
I believe that they will be on Conan O'Brien's late nite show this week. I read recently that Jack is 27 years old and Meg is 28. The kids sure grow up fast these days!


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois
Web: My link

Subject: Tony from Chica-go, Lars, The Gourds; David Powell, John Hiatt

Tony: You missed The Gourds at the Abbey Pub on March 28th. They come to Chica-go about once a year, but the 450+ packed house might bring 'em back sooner. They are from Austin, Texas. They have a website and an unoffical website from which you can download tons of tunes. See above. The Crows Nest at State and Jackson in Chicago (where, btw, I first heard and met Prof. Louie & The Crowmatix) is where I bought my first Gourds CD four years ago. They still got 'em. Mail order from the website or various venders works, too.

Lars: Which Gourds CD have you been listening to?

David Powell: Thanks for the John Hiatt tip. Can't wait. I pasted your GB post to the Gourds list.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

I watched TLW last night, again, and did not realize that Pop's Staples was playing guiter during "The Weight", of all the times I've watched this thing I couldn't believe I didn't catch that before..oh well, part of what makes it what it is I guess....love Mavis whispering beatiful, gives me shivers down my spine everytime............


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Muddy Waters documentary (new)


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Shangri-La

Tony - Shangri-La does still exist, but it seems to be a private residence now. Many years ago I made a [sort-of] pilgrimage there, and posted in this guest book. My post about it is in this GB archive, but its been years since. I don't think that it was used for recording after the Band abandoned it.

Peter V. - I liked your post a while back about the James Taylor concert you attended. His new CD is one that has been spinning on my CD player for quite a while. They just named a bridge for him in NC [I think]. He doesn't get as much respect as he deserves.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Not Sure Yet

hmmmm....After Roz's emotional post I think I had the right spot to write a dull, informative report on "Our Friend the Common Beaver"....but I think I may have already done that, I can't remember. All the good topics have been taken.

I'm reminded of a verse from The Grateful Dead, "What a long, strange trip it's been." So I'll take a trip down memory lane (I do that a lot...it exposes my limitations, I guess). Anyway, my musical journey started in earnest with the folk movement and Peter, Paul & Mary. Then I was into Dylan. Next came The Beatles, Lovin' Spoonful, Beach Boys and then I kind of lost track. I emerged to find Jethro Tull, CSN&Y, America, and the Eagles. Then Marshall Tucker and Supertramp and then I discovered The Band. I couldn't listen to anything else. This was different, I never got tired of them. It was like finding my "true love" and I never could spend a lot of time listening to anything else.

But then the Band broke up and I started going to all the Crowmatix shows. The original Crowmatix were probably an offshoot of "The Crows" and they had former Crow members Jimmy Eppard, Mike Dunn, and Randy Ciarlante. They also had the awesome talent of Levon Helm, Aaron Hurwitz and his wife Miss Marie. Then Randy left to help Jim Weider form "The Honky Tonk Gurus" and Levon left to form "The Barnburners" with members of "The Eldorado Kings." Eventually Eppard and the Crowmatix parted ways. Jim told me once that it was "amicable." Now Jim has the Retro Rockets and they play sometimes at The Georgetown (Ct.) Saloon (phone: (203)-544- 8003. Jim's sons also have a group called "Three" and that must take up a lot of his time. He also built a studio in West Hurley, not far from Woodstock. I havn't seen Jim in a long time, those trips to Georgetown were just too long.

So all the players have scattered, each pursuing his own sound. I try to see them when I can, but it's like running into an old friend who has a new spouse and you really liked the old spouse better. You're still friends, but things aren't quite the same.

So you buy a "Gourds" album and hope you can adjust to the changing times. Robbie said it all: "Ah, it's not like it used to be."


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Posted by:

Tony D

Location: Now Wi...Then San Francisco Bay Area

Subject: Bay Area Roots

Growing up in the Bay Area in the 70"s,I had the great privilege to see a number of bands before they became famous."

"Of all the bands i heard and all the shows i attended,the greatest show i ever saw was the BANDS last show at Winterland."

" Thank you to THE BAND for a memory that will last me forever


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ray G

I hesitate to post this; however I heard that Jim has been battling Cancer. He is a great guitar player and I know we all wish him well. If I'm wrong, I know someone will correct me; but my source was a good one.


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Posted by:

Jeff

Subject: Thanks

Hey John D. thaks for the tab for "baby let me follow you down", its great


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Posted by:

" JUST SCROLL ON BY "

Subject: ROZ

(_ZZZ_)


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Shit!

Everything I say here is written down without gile, without contempt, without anything but a smile.

I know there's lot of great music OUT THERE! I don't see live music any more because I don't want to be ignited. Maybe you regular folks can be satisfied to sit in an audience and be the submiters, the takers, lookin' up but I ain't like that. Live music for me is not like a harmless little match on the sole of a shoe, not a good home-cooked dinner that makes ya all good, warm and comfy inside. Hell No I Ain't That Lucky! Music hits my body and soul like a torch thrown onto a barrel of gasoline. If I stay in my mind all I do is drive people insane with cries of That guy's out of key .... That guy needs to tune ...these people suck! People shout "Why can't you just enjoy the music and shut up! Why do you always have to get so riled up?" I don't know! I can do better than that I should be up there Dammit! Well why ain't ya? You know Why? You know why? _____________________________________ Cause the will to stay alive is greater than Rock n Roll but Not too damned much greater! Y'all know what fire is? Maybe ya do, Maybe ya don't! If you do I want to hear it. I don't want to hear who recorded this and who recorded that in what year, I don't want to hear tech bullshit. I want you people to write your souls down in the Band guestbook - That's what music is and that's all it is! What better place to Spill your Guts about what you FEEL about MUSIC than THE BAND'S Guestbook ! There's my two cents about music. That's the language I speak.


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Posted by:

mary (bear)

Location: western pa

I don't feel racism is right at all. I happen to come from a very diverse family. I have relatives from Mexico, Puerto Rico, Phillipines, my cousin is married to a wonderful man from Africa, my sister is married to a man from Iran. Incidentally, his mother is a Sunni Muslim, and his father is from Pakistan and his family disowned him for marrying her, because they have never gotten along. They are both wonderful. By the way, they know firsthand of the treatment of the Iraqi people by Sadam's regime. I have been the victim of prejudice for several things....being Catholic for one thing, where I lived growing up. People automatically made judgements and assumed I was a snob. I try to get to know a person first. I don't care what race, religion, or background they come from. I go by what kind of person they are. That is how I was raised and how I have chosen to raise my children too. My son came home for Thanksgiving from Camp LeJuene. Some of his friends weren't able to go home because it was so expensive for air travel and my son invited three other Marines home for dinner. He didn't ask, he just said "Mom I am bringing a few guys home for dinner. I knew you wouldn't mind". And of course, I didn't. We always have room. His one friend Reggie said "Are you sure your mom won't mind me coming home with you since I am black"? Well, when Reggie and company got to my mothers.....he fit right in. There was my cousin Kelly with her husband and her two children. I do get very hurt and angry when I hear racial slurs. But, at the same time some people are very ignorant. They do not realize they are being bigoted or hurtful. I try to let it go in one ear and out of the other. Just recently I had posted something about my son being in Iraq, and most in here were very kind, but someone posted something very mean spirited and made judgements about me and my son and I have never done anything to him, nor have I ever met this person. I just chose to let it go. I wish we could all get along in here and be respectful of others and their opinions. That is what I try to do. And on a more band related topic now.......sounds like you had a great time Donna. I am so sorry I missed it this time. One of these days donna, you, lil, calm and I will have to get together again for a show. Everyone have a good day now.


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Posted by:

Chris D.

Location: South Jersey

Subject: Burnin' Down the Barn!!

SMOKIN'performance Friday by my favorite band, Levon Helm and The Barnburners! I, like Donna from Pa., am just getting to post after a long weekend. Butch and Levon were outgoing and, as always, very generous with their time before the show. If the whole show was just hanging out with those guys, I'd still be the first in line for a ticket. My kind of people! Then the Fire started and Levon and The Barnburners showed Philly what the blues are all about!! Always a pleasure to say hello and thank Pat O'Shea and Chris O'Leary for the music. Those two guys just keep getting better!! Such talent!! That music had me juiced up till' 6 in the morning!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't take advantage of any chance you get to see these guys, you just ain't livin'!! Side note- Why, when there is so much talent out there and musical history to talk about, do some of you lowlifes have to talk shit and put people down? Cowards I guess. Sorry, had to say it.


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Crowmatix: Where's Jim Eppard???

I'm wondering if anyone knows why Jim Eppard isn't playing in the Crowmatix anymore. He played on the Levon/Crowmatix CD, the first two Prof Louie/Crowmatix cd's and Jubilation. He an excellent guitarist/lap steel/mandolin player, what happened???


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Posted by:

Tony

Location: chica-go

Subject: Shangri-La\ Ed Voci and the Gourds

Reading thru the recent posts, I was reminded
that I never found out what happened to Shrangi-La.
Does anyone know? Is it still in existence?
Does anyone still record there, and if not when was it last used?
Love to know, thanks.

Dear Mr. Voci, I've been meaning to ask you
for more info on these "Gourds" you speak so highly about.
Are they from Chicago? Do they have a website?
Anywhere in chicago that I can see them or purchase
some music by them? If you'd like to email me alupo80ataoldotcom. Thanks



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Posted by:

*A WASTE OF G.B SPACE*

Subject: ROZ

(_X_)


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Paul G.

Paul Godfrey: what a nice note! I've been meaning to e mail you and congratulate you and wish you the best with your new life situation, but I dont have your address and i remember the commotion about the virus goin' on thru here last fall. It sounds like you are really making the transition fluidly and with joy. I enjoy your site. Always good to hear from you. Keep shinin'! best, Pehr


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Hiding under the bed

So I take it no one voted for John McCain in the last election?

Tracy - You have Band questions? I thought your imaginary romantic attachments ran exclusively in Robbie's direction ..oh yeah, and that TV guy who just happened to be part owner of some trendy NY City restaurant called the Cutting Edge or the Cutting Room Floor or something. Didn't you have a web page or two filled with "Robbie" pictures you un-taped from your bedroom wall and plastered on your brand new on-line bedroom wall? If I remember correctly, ya had some real sexy-like pictures of that TV guy too. That reminds me of that scene in Bob Altman's "Come Back to the Five and Dime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean" where Kathy Bates pulls out this picture entitled "Real James Dean Stands Up" that she'd paid a fortune for on the black market, handed it around to all the James Dean Fan Club 20 Year Reunion Girls (and guy), and that sweet little girl in the party dress from the beauty shop takes a peek over Cher's shoulder and says, "Is that a tree branch in his hand or what ?" Ahroooo -shame on you...;) (wink)


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Posted by:

Bones

Peter Viney: Remind me again what Robbie's involvement was with regard to Touchstone Pictures logo?

Great picture of Garth and Levon during the Dixie Hummingbirds project! Thanks for including it.


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Posted by:

John W.

Ray - You raise very good points but I take exception to the idea white men are never pre-judged. Try walking down the street on a dark night and watch what happens if you are approaching behind a woman. You will see her grab her purse tightly, perhaps cross the street to get away. Would she react that way if you was a woman walking? No. But I don't take offense because the fact is, a white man is a whole lot more likely to be a predator than a woman. I see your points, though. Just the other day at my doctor's office, an Asian patient said to the doctor, "Doc, I got cataract." The doctor replied, "And I thought you drive a Lincoln Continental!"


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Bill Frisell/Daniel Lanois

I thought quite a bit about "The Genetic Method" when listening to Bill Frisell. I think I must hear these two together. And I was very big on "Broken English" when it was new although I haven't followed Ms. Faithfull at all since. The radio host mentioned that Frisell likes to segue between tunes so that unbroken 25 minute sets have been known.

In the previous post on Lanois, I forgot to mention what I really found to be the most interesting points. He spoke about commitment, building trust and assembling a talented team etc. He said if any team member lost commitment to, or belief in, the project, such things happen, but that person would have to leave the project. Asked about his work methods, he spoke like any CEO. His words reminded me of police training a friend told me about years ago. You have to gain the confidence of the room, he said. That's the hard part. You have to show positive results in the first couple of days to win the confidence of the room, after that it's just down to business. And, when the interviewer asked him about disagreements with artists, he said he would let artists try out ideas. The room is full of sharp people, he said. The room knows pretty quickly if an idea is rubbish.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Fred, Roz, and Me

...one can call objecting to terms like "Oriental" tight-assed or politically correct BS but that's mistaken. As a white person in an interracial relationship I've learned over the years what my partner and her friends go through. For example, as a white man, I can go through the entire day, just about any day, without having to answer to anyone, in obvious or subtle ways, about my identity. If someone treats me like shit in a store, I don't have to worry about it being racially motivated. That's just one example. People of color, on the other hand, do have to deal with such things on a daily basis...being taken advantage of by roommates and businesspeople...having their college work evaluated according to different standards...being told, supposedly as a compliment, that "your English is very good!"

and Fred's right, when it's someone you love, hearing those slurs hurts deeply and kindles great anger.

I've been to Japan to meet my partner's family--wonderful people. And when there was the accident in Hawaii a while back, where a US submarine accidentally sunk a boat full of Japanese students, I really felt that. And I knew that some Americans didn't care too much because they were just "Japs." Sad but true.

lest we forget, Chinese labor built the transcontinental railroad and the Hawaiian sugar industry...Japanese farmers pioneered agriculture in California...and a Japanese-American army unit in WWII is the single most-decorated unit in our history... Sorry, I won't get any heavier on this, but again, before people trivialize it by calling it PC and tight-assed to think that language matters, look a little closer and be more realistic.

and last but not least I'm not mad at anyone here, or trying to censor, but am trying to emphasize the power of words and the responsibility that goes with them...


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Bill Frisell & Garth

Guitarist Bill Frisell can be heard playing with Garth on the title cut from Marianne Faithful's "Strange Weather" album.


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Posted by:

Bill

On the subject of Roy Buchanan, one of the early Hawks (not one of our guys) gave me to believe that Roy wasn't really a Hawk. Rather, he turned up uninvited at a Hawkins gig in Port Huron (I think) with the intention of gunning for Robbie's job. So he 'guested' for the duration of the engagement (two weeks?) then walked away empty-handed. An amazing two weeks of guitar-dueling though, eh!!


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Posted by:

sadavid

Location: Winnipeg

Subject: Daniel Lanois / Bill Frisell

I was tuned into CBC AM radio much of the weekend, and was lucky enough to hear on Saturday afternoon, an hour-long interview with Daniel Lanois in support of his new album. If it had been commercial radio, there would be no hour-long interview, and also they would have made sure I remembered the name of the CD. Which I don't.

The introductory song montage of Lanois hits had about one second of "Somewhere Down the Crazy River" and the interviewer's introduction mentioned Robbie Robertson as one of Lanois's producees.

Daniel came across as a somewhat uncomfortable interview subject, although no doubt a telephone interview isn't easy. I believe they said he was at his home studio in Toronto and his half of the conversation was recorded to DAT to improve sound quality. I swear I kept hearing billiard balls collide in the background. Thinking of Shangri-La, I'm wondering if a pool table is a requirement for a recording studio? Musician's union thing? Recording contract rider?

Lanois was extremely serious when discussing his metier - he spoke about the job of producing with complete focus and commitment. He struck me as monk-like in his dedication, saying he'll overlook small disagreements from an artist, but if he has a vision, he won't tolerate trying anything that won't fulfill the vision. (This is all paraphrase). He was much more animated when talking about music, which is I guess how you want a producer to be. He said the essence of his craft was to recognise fleeting moments of brilliance and have the tape running when they occur.

A kind of example of this was Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" (one of my desert-island jukebox picks). In one take they were fading out of the tune, took it in a spontaneous new direction ("out there," the musicians say) and found the soul and the centre of the tune. Which it was then the producer's role to point out to the artist so they could begin working up what was now a different song.

He said he does listen to rooms and is annoyed when people try to talk over the band in nightclubs. He said he doesn't fuss over technical details as much as he once did, it's OK if the drum kit sounds like a drum kit. He is more interested in the big picture and the honesty of the sound. I was surprised that production was so much about relationship, communication and negotiation. And commitment - he said he moved in with Peter Gabriel for a year working on one project. He works by invitation only (you invite him, he thinks about it) and charges, I think he said, $5000 the hour.

Lanois said a bit about his start in life, running a studio with his brother in his mother's house in Hamilton. If you can survive Hamilton, you're well set up, he said. He mentioned one of his early breaks was Rick James using their studio. Is there a Band connection there besides through Neil Young?

I was also lucky to hear The Bill Frisell Septet (I think) on the Sunday late jazz show. I'd read something that Bill was bringing country to jazz, so I was curious. They do play some country, but I also heard a lot of very very good blues playing. They did Hank William's "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" and took it, well, out there. You can hear dialects in their blues from the sort of Roy Buchanan / Robbie Robertson school, country blues, Chicago Blues, Texas Blues, all in the same tune, and all seamless. And they can build excitement without getting real loud.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: John Hiatt

Tiny Monster: An old friend of mine works for a music distributor & his company handles a lot of releases for smaller, independent labels. He keeps me posted on new stuff & occasionally sends me advance promo copies, knowing I'll spread the word. So much new music gets released & sometimes gets lost amidst the over-hyped major label releases. I'm always glad to sing the praises of companies like New West Records, who obviously still care about the music & not just the bottom line. Thanks to them, artists like Delbert McClinton, Randall Bramblett, The Flatlanders, Shaver, Stephen Bruton, Tim Easton & many others can get their music out.

I'm so excited about "Beneath This Gruff Exterior" from John Hiatt & The Goners that I'll be discussing the album in more detail in the next few days. This is an amazing CD, just brimming over with Mr. Hiatt's infectious energy. He's got a band that rocks like a semi in Georgia overdrive and the result is a wonderful album without any weak songs on it. You will not want to skip a single cut on this "Mother Of All Goners", or "MOAG" in current parlance!


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Donna... Levon & the BB's

Donna,

My reaction was much the same as yours when I saw Levon and the Barburners at the "Turning Point"(Peirmont, NY) a couple months back. I'd seen them about a year before and thought the smoked but when I saw em recently they were about as "on top of their game" as any band could be. The folks that I went to the show with aren't quite the "Band" fans that I am but they were blown away too. Hope I get to see em again soon!


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: bogus posts

The short Saturday post by Bill on the topic of Garth wasn't really by me, it was by some doink at cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107) - who seems to be making a practice of this sort of thing. At least this one wasn't a phoney apology for an insult.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: The Goners

We've got thickets for The Mountain Winery here in
Silicon Valley ... We've seen John a dozen times over the
years. He's really great fun, solo or otherwise.

From what I hear, "Baby Blue" is not the best song on
the CD. It is, however, the only one I've heard as well.



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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: John Hiatt

John Hiatt is playing both with the Goners and solo here in Virginia next month and I have tickets to both shows (the one with his band is sold out already). I've heard his "Baby Blue" song on the radio and if the rest sounds like that one, the new disc is a winner. Thanks for the scoop on that one, Mr. Powell.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Beneath This Gruff Exterior

Thank you Dave. I've been reading these reviews of this
new release for a couple of weeks now. Can you tell
me where you got it? ...

John Hiatt and The Goners are a great live show.
I recommend them highly.
Next best is John solo ...



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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Subject: Levon at The North Star Cafe

Sorry about posting this so late, I just got back from visiting family in Maryland. Levon and The BarnBurner's hit the North Star Cafe in Philly Friday night by Storm! Chris O'Leary on harp and vocals, Pat O'Shea on guitar, Jeff Sarli on Bass, and Levon torching the sticks! Chris played harp and sang harder than I have ever heard before, I didn't think that was possible. Jeff and Levon right in tuned to each other, and Pat O'Shea burning the strings. They played some new songs that were very good, the crowd was up and dancing, and everyone left knowing this was one show for the books! Levon looked terrific, just full of energy and happiness! Many thanks to Butch for his hospitality and kindness!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Parrotheads & Goners

I went with a group of friends to see Jimmy Buffett last Thursday night at the Lakewood Amphitheatre in Atlanta. We had great seats -- 4th row center! I'd seen Mr. Buffett many times early in his career, beginning with his solo shows in small clubs, but it's been a decade since I last caught a concert. I was greatly impressed with the fine show he puts on with his large group of musicians. After years on the road, he really knows how to present his music in such a pleasurable way, and it's very evident that he still has fun playing.

I received an advance copy of John Hiatt's upcoming new album, "Beneath This Gruff Exterior", which will be released May 6 on the New West label. Recorded with his longtime band, the Goners, live in the studio, Mr. Hiatt really rocks out on a dozen original songs. With Sonny Landreth on soaring slide guitar, Dave Ranson on bass & Kenneth Blevins on drums, Mr. Hiatt recreates that "take no prisoners" sound that the Goners lay down in their live performances. This is a must have CD for old & new fans alike! Mr. Hiatt is one of the best songwriters around, with an ability to convey both clever irony and genuine emotion in an honest manner. His debut on New West features the following songs:

Uncommon Connection
How Bad's The Coffee
Nagging Dark
My Dog And Me
My Baby Blue
Almost Fed Up With The Blues
Circle Back
Window On The World
Missing Pieces
Fly Back Home
The Last Time
The Most Unoriginal Sin

I know we're still in the first quarter of the year, but this is the best new album I've heard in 2003. With summer just around the corner -- here's the perfect collection of road music for those long drives ahead.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Personally...........

I like it when GB participants have "weird meanderings" about movies and food. I've always seen this GB as more of a cultural stopping place more than a place solely about 5 guys havent played together in 27 years.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... Shootout In China Town ...

For the record, I didn't start this nor was it my intention to "egg" it on. I was simply trying to find out if anybody had heard the White Stripes new release.

As for Rozlyn ... sounds like every family git-togethr I've ever been to ...

And for the other record, occidental (thanks for the term, was it Fred? I'll add it to my vocabulary)people are a minority here in the San Francisco Bay Area, at 43% ... I think Asian and Hispanic make up the the better part of the other 57% ... In my experiance, Asian people prefer "Asian" when speaking in general terms and tend to get haughty if you miss their exact country of ancestry. Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, Viet Namese, Tai, etc. etc. have never gotten along ... Kinda like Robbie and Levon ... I guess

My appologies to you and your wife Fred if you took offence ... I try very hard not to be the racist most of us Occidental American are by birth ...

White Stripes ... anyone?

Stop it now ...



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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Carmen

I just saw your post about the Barnburner show. I am so glad you and your wife had a great time. Levon is the best...


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks John D...

PutEmUp, I'm lovin' this "School For Fools" CD... we played it in the car all the way to/fro the relatives for Easter... the kids kept yelling turn it up louder... I especially like the songs where Larry gets out there... like the title track... and Warning Shot... his voice is like smooth whiskey... or make that hot caramel on soft serve ice cream (for you Roz)... You're lyrics are real cool too (you must lead an interesting life~:^)... 17 yrs and lost dog bluz especially... yes, I'll keep this one in the car for a long while... everytime something happened at dinner... I felt like it needed to be accented by a blues guitar lick... take care...

Hey Roz, we sold our car this weekend... so I bought some more time on the house... take it easy gal... I can email you a sad story or two if ya want... or maybe I'll just shutup for a while anyway... I'm started to get tired of my own voice... but here's a funny kinda scary one for you that shows how intelligent my gene pool really is... my 2nd born wakes me up the morning after the Hubert show at about 10:30 am... and he has tied one end of a piece of string to his little toy frying pan (can ya see where it's going yet)... anyway, I just yeeeelled, Chris!!!... and she said Oh My God... because what the other end was tied to was turning purple... while my wife rushed to get fingernail clippers or scissors... I luckily found out the knot wasn't that sophisticated and came undone pretty quickly... but then my heart was pounding almost as bad as my hungover head... btw, he was the kid telling me to turn Jeff's CD up louder later in the day...


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Posted by:

Hi

Web: My link

Subject: Norah & Garth

Here's hopefully a link to Allaire recording studios where Norah Jones recorded "Come away with me." Garth could almost walk there from where he lives...nice work if you can get it....beautiful place....


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Garth & Philly

Great news about Garth! He deserves everything wonderful that comes his way. My cousin's husband and brother-in-law have a pretty well known club in Nashville, but it caters strictly to a specific kind of music. It would be cool if Garth played there. My cousin is a huge Band fan. I have the Burrito Deluxe cd, but I can't figure out how to classify the sound. Is it considered country?

Didn't anyone go to the BB's North Star show in Philly? If so, are you going to give us a review??? :o)


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Posted by:

Paul g

Location: Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Pehr

Hello Friend, Thank you so much for your chord version of Just Like Tom Thumbs blues. That probably is the version I used way back when...but the memory fails me. It is great to now have time to go back & pick up some of the tunes I loved to much and play them. Thanks again.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Roz

This is what I understand of Roz's posts...

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What is with the racial comments? Meanderings about films and weird food? Jeez, somebody brings up an intelligent and well thought out post on THE BAND and can't get an answer, but Roz who drones on and gets tons of attention. I guess people don't care too much about music anymore.

Tracy

baffled


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Posted by:

Lil

John D: (Hi :-) What a wonderful post about Garth! He and Maud both have a special place in my heart, and it's always nice to read such nice things about them. I am absolutely thrilled that they are so happy and so busy with so many teriffic projects. Maud once told me that no matter what, her and Garth will always be ok because they have each other. Truer words were never spoken.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Cécile Damiani

Web: My link

Bonne journée


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Garth Hudson

Garth has been recording recently with Norah Jones as you may have read in the What's New Section. If you've seen the Norah Jones Live in New Orleans DVD she makes a wonderful intro to Bessie Smith....wishing she had wrote it. As you all know Garth and Levon were recording with the Dixie Hummingbirds in New Jersey and most recently with J.C. Hopkins.

Those in the Nashville area will get a real great treat! Garth is on his way there for rehearsals with Burrito Deluxe. They apparently will also play at three venues there. I don't know what they are so check your local listings if your in the Nashville area. Old friend Colin Lindon is living there now (co-wrote Remedy & played in Down From The Mountain) and expect to see him jamming with the boys. Here in Toronto we await The Senator for a week beginning May 20th. It is wonderful to see Garth so active out there. I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg. He's a true National Treasure in my mind. Kudos to Maud Hudson who along with being his wife & soul mate has really been behind much of Garth's "recent moves" over the past couple of years. They make a great team.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Peter V: One more thing....

Normally West is pronounced NISHI and a different character is used; China is Chugoku---chu is middle; goku is country and Japan is either Nippon or Yamato (if someone is using the term Yamato they will use the WA mentioned before and it means BIG PEACE)


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Peter V' s query

Peter V: It seems to me that, in Japan (and generally speaking), that the world is divided into three areas: the West, China and Japan. This especially applies to the wonderful world of food Yoshoku means Western food; Chukaryori meaning Chinese food and Washoku meaning Japanese food. It's interesting to notice that that the character used for Western can also mean Ocean and Wa can also mean Peace! The ka in Chuka also can be read as flower or showy.

I believe all food from the rest of Asia is generally labelled as ethnic food (or using the name of the country in question)


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Posted by:

Fred

Far from being "tight-assed" (as those who know me well will attest to) or "politically correct"...it's just the term Jap (which to my way of thinking has connotations that are far from benign, regardless of the user's original intent) and jokes about Japanese women hit a nerve as my wife is Japanese and thus my daughter has Japanese blood running through her veins.


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Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Fred tight-assed??

Fred isn't being a tight-ass in objecting to your "joke" about Japanese women Ros, he's just pissed about your rudeness towards his wife who's Japanese. For someone who thinks she's full of mental acuity, how come you're insensitive to other people's feelings?? My guess is that Fred belongs to a silent majority here who normally manage to let your inanity pass them by. Me whine? I don't usually, so congratulations.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: NLSC

I'm here at work listening to Northern Lights and can't get enough of it, as has been stated in here a vastly underated album..liken it all but "Ring your Bell" has got my foot a tappin this fine mornin...listened to the Bosses latest before that..shit ya can't beat great music...


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Haden / Williams / a question

JQ: I’ll check out the Art of Song. The other one is ‘Beyond the Missouri Sky’ with Pat Metheny where they do Roy Acuff’s “The Precious Jewel”, not quite as memorably as Mordicai Jones & Link Wray, but they certainly bring out the full beauty of the tune.

Lucinda Williams fans should check out the article on her in the mag “The Word” (#3). Excellent writing.

Language query for Ray & Fred (seriously interested for professional reasons) – others scroll by! What’s the generally acceptable term to cover the word ‘Oriental’? It’s obvious that anyone would prefer the specific – Japanese, Korean, Chinese - to a regional cover term, but there are always regional cover terms, and the Japanese frequently use ‘Western’ and ‘Westerner.’ There’s a Thai internal airline called Oriental too. I was interested because I’m doing a photo collage of real restaurant signs with ‘nationality words’ on them for a book, and one I’d selected was Ken Hom’s chain of restaurants in Britain which are called “Yellow River: Oriental Bar & Restaurant” and Ken Hom’s series of cookbooks all have ‘oriental’ in the title, and he has made his reputation basically by putting a Thai chili fish dish with a bit of sushi and sweet and sour prawns, so he needs a regional term. The other British term is ‘Far Eastern’ (which other eclectically Asian cookbooks have) but that has a directional perspective, though as ‘Oriental’ means ‘Eastern’ it isn’t much different. I don’t think ‘oriental’ is any way abusive or demeaning in Britain, but then again I don’t know how it’s used in the USA. The difference might be that ‘Asian’ in Britain means almost exclusively Indian / Pakistani / Bengali so wouldn’t be used for people from East Asia.


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: I Love Red-Cooked Tangerine Chicken!

Sorry Fred - I just go back to "The Hatchet-Man" and "A Christmas Story". I'm not equipped for the Politically Correct crowd - They're too tight-assed! You ever seen that terrific Bob Altman picture "McCabe and Mrs. Miller"? I remember that old line about the ....you know, from that. No slam against our Asian brothers and sisters. The way I look at it is, Whitey gave to the Red Man, Whitey gave it to the Black Man, It's only fair that Whitey gets it from the Yellow Man so Whitey should just bend over the gravestone and keep his whining trap shut.


Entered at Mon Apr 21 08:14:37 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Posted by:

Fred

Roz: It's too bad that, sometimes, you don't think before you post. You come across as being a prime example of the loud, brash and globally unaware Ugly American. Especially when you post inanities regarding Asians (see your latest "effort" entitled Japs and cast your mind back to something you wrote about the Chinese)...it's a shame really. Hopefully you'll smarten up.


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: "Japs"

Is it true what they say about Japanese women?
Hell No, Their Legs Would Fall Off!

I'm in Troublesome Waters now boy ...sorry Y'all.


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Posted by:

Tarnatulamike@aol.com

Location: Erie, Pa

Subject: The "Band" Rocks!

I love the grooup....i first heard about them while watch a DVD "The last waltz".....very cool! this group rocks!


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Posted by:

Dam-mit Ray

Subject: Just what I needed to hear!

Oh Yeah! That's just what that happy Son-of-a-bitch needs ...more great times! Don't forget Dave, you'll be losing the house by the end of the year!

I just got back...lovely 40 hours. I spent most of yesterday listening to my mother whine about her sky-rocketed property tax and hem-roids (evidenty she got them carrying me), and her car-sickness by the time we got outside Romney. Ran into two accidents. Mother prayed the whole time and went stark-raving mad if I got above 70 miles an hour. I had one blister of a fight with my cousin Nelson - Happens every damn year! My 96 year "young" Aunt Elva tripped on the ce-ment stairs going into church, ripping a large un-mendable hole in her brand new Easter dress and spraining her arthritic knee. I used my normal regular everyday favorite phrase "What The Fuck's Goin' On Now?" as she hit the landing .. with her forehead, all the while being stared down and scolded by a couple of holy than thou deacons who were there ... That's Right! To make sure that no old people tripped going up the stairs! I held my peace altho I wished I had that steel thing I keep under the driver's side. I would have fixed some wagons! They would have had two funerals intead of that one communion ! Of course, after I took my seat (in the back row right next to the "Out" exit) I was branded a heritic and shunned by the vast majority of the church members for the remainder of the service and on down the road. The last five words I heard out of them as I speeded across that old ricket bridge were "Barfly - That Girl - To Hell"

Lunch was Good. I got a great new Strawberry Pie recipe from somebody ... relation or somethin'.

Mother cried over dead family members, blew her nose and shaked her head from side to side criticizing my "Deliberately Evil Heathen-like " behavior the whole way home saying stuff like --- "I'm glad your Grand-mama wasn't alive to see that" and "You're just like your Daddy" to which I replied "Well You're the One Who Married The Rotten Bastard !" Needless to say, I didn't receive "The Gift" this year. In the words of David Crosby "It kinda starts off real slow and then fizzles out all together"

Good-night Dammit !

roz


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: white stripes skin privilege

...yes i'd have to agree these are occidental faces...

...maybe it's just me (no, not quite) but that term "oriental" grates, probably because my partner's Japanese, not making an attempt to censor (which wouldn't be followed anyway), but speaking my mind...

...reminds me of what "Boss Tweed" said in "Gangs of New York" (now there's an indictment of how this country is founded on whiteness), when speaking of a group of Chinese dancers, "These celestials are very curious creatures"... so, at least two Band connections here, Scorsese, and, obliquely, "Shoot out in Chinatown."


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: Sumlin

Dave Z.....What I was afraid of happened, first I was unable to make it Sat. night to see Hubert, which was a dissapointment and secondly I had a feeling that I would read your post in here tonight about what a great show it was..I was right on both counts...glad to hear it was a great show, sounds like you had one of those great evenings with great music and a great crowd, that is so cool....makes me all the more jealous....


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: White Stripes

Okay, the girl in White Stripes doesn't look oriental but she did on SNL. Either she was made up, squinting from the bright lights, replaced by a stand-in, or I was very high. Have to wait for the re-run to find out!!

Anyway, if they sound like Led Zep it's not due to her drumming for certain. Check the photo on the link above - the boy does look a bit older smoking a cigarette - about 15 maybe. Above site has sound samples btw.

See, now that the war is over we're back to interesting discussions of music.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Sweet Jesus

I'm no religious cat at all, but this being Easter and all, I've been playing Sam Cooke & The Soul Stirrers all day. My goodness it's all right there: the essence of rock and roll, the lovely poetry, Rick Danko influences, ect.

While I'm going on about that, Mr Viney, the Charlie Haden record, The Art of the Song, has a version of Wayfaring Stranger which is just exquisite.

Man, I think I might just convert today and wash my troubles.

Amen.


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Posted by:

Jimmy K

Web: My link

Thanks for the great pages of memories.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Charlie Haden

If you wait patiently, every artist you want to hear about will eventually be mentioned on this site. Charlie Haden's "Ballad of The Fallen" is an old favourite, and "Els Segadors" is the track to play if you feel your bass speakers could use a pleasant massage and bout of exercise. It's a few years since I bought new ones, and the CD used to go with me to hi-fi stores along with Birdland and The Weight to check out equipment. So what's he doing with Ringo? One to check out.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Ringo Starr's Latest

I've read about "Ringo Rama," Ringo Starr's latest, and it sounds like it's worth checking out--have a look at this song/guest listing:

Eye To Eye

Missouri Loves Company

Instant Amnesia (featuring David Gilmour)

Memphis In Your Mind

Never Without You (featuring Eric Clapton)

Imagine Me There (featuring Charlie Haden)

I Think, Therefore I Rock 'N' Roll (featuring David Gilmore)

Trippin On My Own Tears (featuring Shawn Colvin)

Write One For Me (featuring Willie Nelson)

What Love Wants To Be

Love First, Ask Questions Later

Elizabeth Reigns (featuring Van Dyke Parks)

English Garden

The big surprise there for me is Charlie Haden, who's made history playing with Ornette Coleman and on his own...what a stellar guest list. Reminds me that "Ringo" (1973) is in the top five solo Beatles albums without a doubt, due in no small part to the presence of "the boys" on "Sunshine Life for Me."

I've also heard Ringo was at the last waltz...Rollie, would you be able to confirm that?????


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... Musical Taste ...

... Thanks Brian. I was thinking last night after I posted that second quandary about how I'm not one to pay much attention to reviews or even musical suggestions from a friend. So why would I take the advise of someone whom I'd never met and really am not what you would call "friends" with (though you try). And this is what my thoughts were ...

... It has always seemed to me that there are but a few types of music presented to the world at large. There's what I would call and has always been called "Top 40", which is that stuff that gets played on the radio. Most of which (these days especially) is pay-for-play, easy listening, kind of background music. Even if a song such as, say, "The Weight" may have made it into this realm of "Top 40" I wouldn't consider, The Band, "Top 40" material. You all know what I'm talking about. Then there's that music that (as far as I can see) came about during the mid to late 60's that constitutes the better half of our generation. This music got heard because of word of mouth or the *early* FM stations that sprang up in those early days. Those FM days are gone now as FM is now the AM of the 60s ... Anyways, as a musician (back in the 60's & 70's) it was easy to hear about these outstanding new musicians and their music. Today I find it extremely difficult to find a source I trust to recommend "Good Music".

... The kind of music you and I listen to. Because The Band was at the very top of that list. ...

...And just what would you call this class of music, if it were to have it's own category? I usually end up calling it "World Class" for lack of a better label but that really doesn't fit all that well. There was some talk awhile back about what "Alternative" music is or isn't but I wouldn't call this upper-echelon type of excellence in music "Alternative" ...

... Any thoughts? ...

Happy Easter everyone ...



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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Empty Now

I haven't heard from Empty Now in a long time. Please let me know if anyone gets in contact with him. His posts are beautiful. I am so terrible about staying in touch. I have always had a great feeling about him--rare in cyberspace.

vonvicker@yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Ahhh, the dreaded wake up in the morning and see what I posted while I nurse a headache place... 1st off, my kids are OK... it's a neighbor's kid I'm worried about... as far as last night, man I got there early and found a great seat back by the bar with a view... and then these older folks come in... and one was a writer for some blues mag... another was a photographer... one nice gal was supposed to be a driver for Hubert but somebody beat her to the punch... and these people were having a blast... a whole network of friends who got together because they're each strong individuals... and wandered to the music... kinda like this place live... well, they appeared more rationale... anyway, great show Hubert... he had a stool but kept getting up to play standing... 3 sets... band started at 9... Hubert joined after 2 numbers... and it was all over maybe 1:30ish... During one of the intros for Hubert, Levon's name was actually mentioned to loud applause... and Hubert told some stories before some of the songs that were cool... you know, that... when I was young my momma taught me this... kinda stuff... the crowd loved it...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Cream's BBC Sessions

The recent Clapton-bashing here was in the back of my mind as I read the attached favorable review of the new collection of live sessions by Cream (with some overdubbed intruments) from the BBC studios. The article gives well-deserved praise to Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker for pushing Clapton to the level he was capable of reaching as a guitarist.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Bloomfield & Kooper Revisited

Click the link above for an article about two new CDs from Al Kooper and Mike Bloomfield. One is an expanded edition of the "Super Sessions" album with Stephen Stills and the other is a Fillmore concert from 1968.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: White Stripes Continued

I don't know if I'd give Elephant, The White Stripes latest, 5 stars. It's a good effort and it rocks but 5 stars is too lofty.

Tiny - I can't account for your tastes and I don't know many other words I could use that could describe their music adquetley in order for you to get the feel of what they are about. You'll just have to unload 15 bucks and see for yourself. Or download a song or two. What can I say - How else can I describe Raw or edgy? There are flares of punk in their music as well. Some of the guitar work reminds me of old Jeff Beck with a mixture of Kurt Cobain. That's what I hear but then again I thought the movie A Mighty Wind was a goof on Bluegrass, so what does that tell you. White Stripes music also reminds me of the music me and my friends used to write when we jammed in the garage but that tells you even less.

AS for listening to folks here and their tastes - I'll give two examples. The recent artist I picked up due to this site was Richard Thompson. I feel that was good money spent. The other, from a while back, was David Gray's White Ladder. Not money well spent. To me it was boring, and overly longwinded. But hey, that's the way music goes - gotta take a chance!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Hey Dave! Great Posts! Do you have any extra peyote?

Glad to hear Hubert has apparently fully recovered and is his burning old self again. Spoke to him back in February at the Salute The Blues show, he was excited , his friendly and talkative self "I got me a new lease on life, yessiree, I got me a new lease on life". From your report it sounds like his stamina is back and the man is on fire again. Hubert shows are that way.

Hubert never stopped playing live. He has been playing his ass off forever. Last 8 or 9 years here in NY he has been involved with Jimmy Vivino,performing backed by Jimmy Vivino's band, and the shows were heavenly. Last few years that has changed to Jimmy's bass player Mike, Levon, David Johannsen, Jimmy and Hubert.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: White Stipes (or Michael Stripes)

White Stripes- when so many reviewers in the UK fall into ecstasy and give 5 star reviews you have to suspect a massive degree of hype is going down. Celebrity-DJ John Peel's oft-quoted "the best album since Sergeant Pepper' reminds me of the amount of crap he's foisted on the listening public over the years. The last good record he launched was 'Virginia Plain' and that's 30 years ago (I quote the Sunday paper here!). I heard about three tracks in a record store while browsing, and thought ‘Hmm … maybe’. I need convincing though.

[In the interests of peace and harmony on Easter Sunday I have just re-read my comment on Pete Seeger and the 37 potential, sound and totally non-political reasons for banning him from TV, and deleted it]


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Fred, I have to get centered before I can even comment on Schools For Fools... which is wonderful... but, man... Hubert... he had a red feather in in fedora... and the lead guitarist for the butanes was a dead ringer for a left handed, black beret wearing Dr. John ... and Hubert played at least one song by his lonesome... awesome... yes, of course I gotta get out more... I didn't bring my 4 year old... and good thing... it's about 2:30 am Mpls time right now... we, meaning my family were driving this afternoon trying to tire out kids... when my other 4 year old said.... Mom, I'm lost... are you lost... Mom, replied... yes, I'm lost too... we were roaming out west of the Twin Cities... looking at lhamas at one point... I said "I'm not lost" but "I'm gonna get lost tonight"... then we drove to Fleetfarm for some last minute Easter Egg surprises... and even though I still don't get that Patchen book yet... we picked up a yard deer, painted it green... and are gonna plant it in the front yard for all the neighbors to see... anyway, live music is better... live anything is better... Happy Eastern... Happy Midwester... happy happy... and I say all of this with a sad heart too... because I just found out that while life looks pretty good for some oldsters... there's one little 5 year old who came out of remission... and is in the fight against lukemea again... yea, that's the real blues.... and I hope Jesus is helping him tonight... it's got me thinking... if I ever get stricken with anything... I'm gonna try real hard to rejoice and hope that it would mean that some little 5 year old wouldn't have to get it... but heck, I'm not that lucky... I'm just a mudhead... anyway, ga-nite, I'm ramblin'...


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Posted by:

Fred

Hmm, either Dave Z's two posts means: (a) he just finished listening to School For Fools or (b) he read the "chick drummer" comment.....hmmm


Entered at Sun Apr 20 09:14:22 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Subject: Again

It's definitely Easter... and how do I know... because I saw HIM... and him was lying on a speaker right next to me... well, we were hanging over the speakers... so technically, we were on stage...

I just got home... drove mostly in the fog... but back to the stage... Huuuuuuubert Sumliiiiiiiiin!!!! Yea!!!!!!

The band band had left... but Hubert wouldn't... so the lead guitar player from the Butanes came back... dragged himself back... me and Jesus were on the speakers... and Hubert plays Mannish Boy... and then more after... and that was encore 16... at 33 1/3 am... and the full house at Famous dave's loved it!!!!!!!!!

I must be a mudhead... you know, one of the backwards people... because I walked right in and found the best seat in the house... I fell in love with my waitress who had more tatoos than I could count... I had a clear view... and everyone was standing... I won't tell you want I drank and ate... brisket... pina coladas... Famous Dave teas... hey, I gotta have the Killians... and Hubert played everything... and I don't even know it all... he played Hidden Charms... I fell in love with three women in their 50's... one was maybe pushing 60... and it was then I realized... that younger doesn't mean funnier... I've got to get a sitter and get my wife out more... I met some of the coolest people ever... all older than me... I danced with one woman and told her I liked Levon & the BBs... and they played it hot and never slowed down from start to end... and Amy Helm ruled... she replied sumpin like "you've got to have it slow like Johnny Lee Hooker"... Oh, man... and Hubert has only one lung... you're shit-ing me, right... fucking awesome... God bless Levon if he had anything to do with pushing this guy on... the crowd loved him in Mpls.... I wore my Garth T-shirt... and was asking everybody I met if they had seen the JWB or the BBs... and told them you ain't seen nothing til you seen Garth and Maud... they responded with tales of slim guitarists doing back flips... and said come on up to Detroit Lakes to catch the Allmans.... plus about 50 other bluesfest acts... man, my eyes were opened tonight... great great music... Hubert's mannerisms are sooooo cool.... pointing with the right hand... casting charms with the right while playing with the left... andd the Butanes supported him beautifully... damn.... i gotta find a way to get to Toronto now....


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

dave z

Location: oh my god

oh my god


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Folk/Grass/Stripes

Not certain but I don't think the chick is "Oriental" as
you say (check "My link")... as for the liars
buisness, well, I guess ...

And does "short" and "Edgy" or "raw" translate
into "good" "fair" or "crap on a stick" ... ?

Damn it I need to know ! ...

It just seems to me that 50% of the group is drums and
the drummer is a chic. Ever hear a good chic drummer? ...
If that's the case then they're half bad from the git-go ...

Shit, I may have to go buy the damn thing just to find
out how they even got on the charts to begin with ...



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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: White Stripes \ Hootenanny

I should have been more skeptical of that "brother & sister" thing since the girl is oriental and the boy isn't. Liars!! How could they possibly make honest music?

How short-sighted the networks were erasing the tapes of shows from the 50s and 60s - the tape itself would be the least expensive part of the production costs I'm certain. For shame!!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Mighty Wind revisited and White Stripes

I didn't read anything about what C. Guest said the film was about and my interpretation was just that, mine. It just struck me that on the coat-tails of the whole Bluegrass revival thing that a goof film would be made basically lampooning a genre of music that can easily be interchanged with each other (in a mainstream audience sort of way.) Maybe my thinking went that way because of the Bluegrass revival movie "Comin' Down the Mountain?" (not sure of the exact title) but it was the concert of many of the acts that appeared on the O' Brother soundtrack. With the whole Bluegrass revival thing still having some gas, I just thought Guest had come up with a witty way to spoof it. Folk would be easier to do because it was such a strong movement and integral part of the 60's culture, that people could identify with imagery and style from that era. It would make it easier for people to identify and at the same time a better commercial sell for moviegoers. It could also be that I put way too much thought into this..., Nonetheless, it is a good movie and shouldn't be missed no matter what you particular thoughts are about folk music.

As for the White Strips - It's edgy, raw, garage rock. It has some old time feel to it but it also has flares of punk throughout. All the songs are short except one. Ball and Biscuit is 8 minutes and is by far the best song on the disc.


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Posted by:

Pete

Location: Waterloo,ON

Subject: Bill Munson

Where can I get Bill Munson's Email address? Thanks, Pete


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Hootenanny

Hey Crabby: you're just too young to remember the great folk scare of the early 1960s, huh? Click the link above for the scoop on an ABC TV show I vaguely remember (I was about ten when it got cancelled), but it is infamous as the show that banned Pete Seeger and thus lost guests like Dylan, Baez, and Peter, Paul and Mary as a result. Peter Viney should note that neither the Doors nor "The Moon Struck One" ever made the program either.

Speaking of folk music in the early '60s, didn't Albert Grossman own a club in Chicago called the Gate of Horn where Roger McGuinn and a lot of the people who came out of that folk scene performed?


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: A Mighty Wind / Jesse Harris / White Stripes

Well, I got all excited this morning when someone posted that Christopher Guest's new film "A Mighty Wind" was a spoof on the bluegrass revival that emerged as a result of the Coen Bros. flick "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" (which I haven't seen yet despite having a copy lying around somewhere in this room for the past 9 months.)

Needless to say, I was gravely disappointed when I checked the old GB this afternoon and learned that the film is instead a satire of the "folk boom" of the early sixties. I'll probably skip it now (even though I liked "Best In Show" and absolutely loved "Waiting For Guffman") and hope that Guest's next project is indeed a comical look at the more recent bluegrass revival.

Caught Jesse Harris and the Ferdinandos at the Bottom Line the other night mainly out of curiosity since he recently won a Grammy for songwriting. Pleasant voice, quite enjoyed him - he's got his own thing going musically though I can't say anything really stuck in my mind all that much. His band has a hard edge which kind of surprised me - good musicians, particularly guitarist Tony Scherr. BTW Jesse recorded "Bessie Smith" on one of his earlier albums and is no doubt the source for Norah Jones' cover of it.

White Stripes Album - Why take a risk? I recommend NOT buying it!! I already mentioned that they look about 14 didn't I? A little to cutesy to take seriously in my opinion.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ..... ? .....

So ... Have you heard their new collection?

The White Stripes ...

Cause, if I have to go out and buy it
and it sits around and reminds me of how I wasted my money ...
I won't take it lying down ...
I'll tell you that ...

.... ? ....



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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

The White Stripes: Christine's right that they started off billing themselves as brother and sister (Jack & Meg White), but it turns out they're EX-husband and wife. And they're from Detroit, USA. Band connection? Not a huge musical similarity, but the Stripes dedicated their album "White Blood Cells" to Levon's daughter in movieland, Loretta Lynn.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Hello John. It's "A MIGHTY WIND" Earth to John

Sorry about that.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: A Second Wind

A Second Wind is "Spinal Tap" for the old "folkies." Once again Eugene Levy of 2nd City Fame and Christoper Guest have put together a great mockumentary. This is a word that they both hate. Recently in Eye Magazine in Toronto; where Euguene lives he talks about the film being written in a different manner than "Guffman and Best In Show." It's not supposed to get the laughs that the others did.....a little more on the serious side in order to drive the point of the movie home. Remember how serious folkies took themselves.

There is a picture of an album cover of Mitch and Mickey that looks "dead on" to an old Ian & Sylvia Album. The entire cast "improv's" the entire film. They had an outline and were told to go "with whatever came to mind." Therefore when Bob Balaban gets slapped hard on the face in the film; he has no idea that it's coming. I thought Balaban's character of the record executive reminded me more of a "Harold Leventhal" (Arlo's Guthrie's Manager) type character. Someone who knew Woody and Pete ect. I'm waiting for Balaban to show up on the Larry David show; after their relationship on Seinfeld. That would be great!

There are some very funny moments; but overall not as funny (in big laughs) as Best In Show. Kudos to Fred Willard who always make me laugh. "Fernwood Tonight" lives on forever for me.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: A Mighty Wind, Michael Moore, The Jayhawks, Lucinda Williams

I didnt really see Second Wind as a parody of the Bluegrass revival either. It is what it is, a parody of those second rate, over the hill, folks groups plugging away 30 years after they recorded something of worth. I saw the Folksman, or whatever they call themselves, on Mad TV last week and the were dead on mimicking those musicians the movie is paroding. The stage banter and the music were perfect-if I didnt have plans to see the movie before then it would have made me decide to see it.

I hadnt heard about an Oscar backlash against Moore-I be willing to bet Roz that some far right winger suggested it in the press and the media just ran with it-there is now way any the academy is going to be so knee jerk.

I picked up the new Jayhawks and the new Lucinda Williams CD last Tuesday as I had to drive from CLeveland to Pittsburgh and as anyone knows a drive of more than 2 hours by law requires new tunes. For what it is worth they are both great listens and reccomended by yours truly.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: A Mighty Wind

Brien Sz: that's an interesting interpretation of the new film "A Mighty Wind" as some sort of parody of the recent renewed popularity of bluegrass after "O Brother Were Art Thou," though director Christopher Guest says his film is based on the folk music scene of the 1960s. To me, authentic artists such as bluegrass icon Ralph Stanley are as far removed from the sort of lame, middle-of-the road folkie muzak that "A Mighty Wind" lampoons as Levon Helm is from Celine Dion.

The fictional manager in the film--Irving Steinbloom--is sort of an amalgam of various figures including Dylan/The Band manager Albert Grossman (who managed folkies Peter, Paul and Mary before moving into more risky music). The title song is an obvious take-off of the PP&M hit version of Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind" and the faux folkies called the Folksmen are derived from the Kingston Trio and countless others, while the Main Street Singers are clearly based on the New Christie Minstrels and Mitch and Mickey are not unlike Ian and Sylvia.

I've been a fan of director Christpher Guest since his days in the cast of the biting Woodstock satire, "Lemmings," and his wit has never been sharper.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: The Easter Parade

Welcome Christine ! Happy Easter Hun ..

I been hearin' that they're trying to take Michael Moore's Academy Award away because key scenes in "Bowling For Columbine" were staged. Is that true? Jeez, good thing The Last Waltz didn't win a documentary award.

Taking my Mother home to Bluefield later this afternoon - Family Reunion time is here - Load the guns! They aways have a turkey shoot.(not with real turkeys) I make the potato salad, the corn pudding and the pulled barbecue pork!! Everybody aways ends up on the grounds after Church pickin' and singin'.... that's always nice.

Have a Happy Holiday Y'all!


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Tiny Monster

Tiny, I would say the new White Stripes album "Elephant" is worth a buy and the previous one "White Blood Cells". You may may not like all of it but there are some good raw and hard bluesy songs on them. They are like a stripped down raw Led Zeppelin at times.


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Posted by:

christine

Location: scotland

Subject: white stripes

Im new here, and thought would be as good a time as any to introduce my self.

the white stripes are husband/wife duo (though they started off saying that they were brother/sister). i think they are in theyre 20s. swedish or finnish nationality i believe. maybe norwegian. or dutch.

theyre 1st album is good, though anythign after that is average. a few songs of the second album are good. they are supposedly very good live. /n their sound is very different to anything ive heard in a while


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: White Stripes

White Stripes are a brother and sister act according to info I found on the web. I accidentally caught them on SNL a few months back ("accidentally" since I rarely ever watch that show as it sucks) and found their numbers somewhat interesting and on the "experimental" edge - not fabulous though. They also looked to be about 14 years old which I admit turned me off a bit.

Didn't Rolling Stone give rave reviews to Robbie discovery Nicky Love's HONEYVISION CD which was abominable? I'd take anything they say with a few grains of salt. Of course, I'm not implying that White Stripes are as awful as Nicky.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: White Stripes

Hey, listen, you all are about as knowledgeable as any crowd I know of (about music anyways)
and I was wondering ... I keep hearing about this couple who call themselves"The White Stripes".
Their latest release got a whopping 5 out of 5 star rating on the Rolling Stone Rewiew
(not that that really means much) and they are just a guy and his ex-wife (who plays drums)
doing the whole gig.

I'm hearing that they're an old time blues based "group" and
that they actually opened for The Rolling Stones at some point?

My question is, are they any good and would I have wasted my money if I
went out and bought their latest CD ?

I need your help here people ... please?

As Always,
Tiny Monster



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Posted by:

Lil

Just wanted to wish a 'Hoppy' Easter to everyone who celebrates out there. May the day be filled with all the good things, happiness, laughter, peace..and chocolate :-)

And a Happy Passover to my friend Butch. Wishing you those same good things. I know if you look hard enough you'll find some chocolate in them there brownies :-)


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Levon in Philly

Saw Levon last night. Great night of music. My wife and I are standing in the doorway having a drink and a bite to eat with a friend and here comes Levon through the front door. Levon stoped said hello and shook our hands and thanked us for coming. At break, I had an opportunity to talk with the band as they mingled with the crowd.

Happy Easter!


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Posted by:

Rich

Location: Cherry Valley, Ma

Subject: T. Rundgren

I enjoyed the Rundrgen performance a lot. All the late night shows have the "music" slot. Most have the flavor of the week,The Dickwarmers etc. The Letterman show gives voice to some great music like Hiatt, Zevon, Rundgren, etc. that in my expeirience we are not going to see on the other shows.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: For Jerry from Atlanta

Stick around Jerry, you sound like a terrific guy. Anything you want to talk about can be said right here and the place is full of great people and we all love the Band !

I met the blues this moan-nin'
I was ram-blin' for my shoezz
I met the blues this moan-nin'
I was ram-blin' for my shoes
You know I got a suit-case full of troubles ba-by
And a trunk full of low-down blue-oosss..

I met the blues this moan-nin'
They were walkin' out through the woodsss
I met the blues this moan-nin'
They was walkin' out through the wo-oods
I said they stopped by my home boyzzz
And did me all the harm they could-ood..... Man I wish this place had sound!

Hey Dave - I remember you mentioning that very same Hardy Boys film several months ago. I even did a net search to look for Disney stuff that sounded anything like what you mentioned. I couldn't come up with it but maybe somebody else did ... hope so. My favorite songs when I was a kid were "My Favorite Things" and the Mary Poppins deal I mentioned.

Everybody kiss your kids, surprise them with big Easter Baskets ...you're a lucky bunch to have them. I gotta get back to mine ...Ken will be 82 next month. Man if he can live that long surely you all can ! !


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Garth

Thanks. It's about time. How about that damn ricky!


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: Performing rights again

Todd & Peter V:

As far as I know performers do not fill in a sheet like they apparently do in the UK. The way ASCAP works for instance is depends on the size of the venue, how many nights have music etc., and set fee is determined. This also applies to restaurants, stores that have music playing, bars with jukeboxes. ASCAP ran into a heap of bad publicity a few years ago when they tried to charge the Girl Scouts for singing round a camp fire. And of course it applies to radio stations who do keep a log of what song is played.

It's actually a terrible system because the songwriters who are the most successful are the ones who see the money while a lot of songwriters see nothing because they do not monitor every radio station and a lot of radio stations are exempt. They also have an annoying habit of hitting up small venues such as coffeehouses that can't afford it, so the coffeehouse closes instead and up and coming songwriters have no place to play. So it goes in the music biz.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Location: atlanta

Subject: after all these years

I'm just so amazed, that after all these years, books, quotes, deaths, that these guys are still a topic of discussion. They were always my fave, except for maybe the Allman Bros., saw them a lot of times, before and after Dylan. Don't want to interrupt, never been here before, but I'll bear-the weight.


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Posted by:

Jack Straw

Subject: Dave Z/ TV Movie

Apologies for butting in but perhaps you are thinking of Disney's "Mystery of the Applegate Treasure". It was indeed a Hardy Boys story starring those Disney stalwarts Tim Considine and Tommy Kirk. The Disney Channel reruns them now and again.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Performing Rights

Peter V: Thanks for your additional info regarding performing rights. I understand it better now, although it seems to me like a system where it's inevitable that someone gets ripped off. I'm a commercial photographer, and it's a constant battle in my business to ensure that images don't get used without proper authorization and fair payment. Even though there is copyright protection, enforcing proper usage relies quite heavily on the honor system.

It doesn't seem to me that the performing rights issue alone would have been enough to drive a wedge between Levon and Robbie in 1983.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Earl King

AP was reporting Friday night that R&B legend, songwriter and guitarist Earl King was dead at 69. King apparently died Thursday from diabetes-related complications.

His best-known compositions include the Mardi Gras standards Big Chief and Street Parade, Come On (Let the Good Times Roll), which both Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan recorded, and Trick Bag.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Good Movie Alert

Just got back from a very entertaining, smart and witty film. If you can get a chance go and see "A Mighty Wind." It's a wonderful mockumentary on the whole Bluegrass craze that hit when the "O Brother Where Where Art Thou?" movie/soundtrack came out. In this film, Christopher Guest uses Folk music instead of Bluegrass but the point is gotten. If you liked Guest's other films, Best In Show, Waiting for Guffman and of course, Spinal Tap, you will enjoy this film. Some of the movies funniest parts come from the smaller players in the film but everyone does a fine job and everyone generates a laugh or two or more. A pure delight - 4 out of 5 stars!


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Posted by:

Neumatic Impact

Location: The Whole Nine
Web: My link

Subject: Hip Hop Music - Please copy and paste this into your web page

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

me too Roz... hey, you are a movie buff... maybe you can help me recollect my childhood memory... I have forever been searching for a two or three part Disney or maybe Hardy Boys mystery... that was called something like Secret of Baron Castle... it had a train scene in it... and when I saw it as a little kid it was on TV... My internet searches have led to ziltch... so I'm thinking it might be called something else... otherwise, this might just be a case where the park you played at seemed real big when you were little... anyway, I'm fishing...

Just got back from a jog... gonna take a bath... then pull out my paint brushes... and pop in my new "School For Fools" CD... thanks Fred, I'll post ya what I think of it all after a listen tonight...


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: School For Fools CD

Dave Z: I bought that CD a couple of months ago.....it's one of the best b uys I've made in a while. To be honest I'd never heard of Larry Thurston and I bought the CD because of The Band connection. Man, oh, man what a surprise when I heard the vocals (I knew the drumming would be top -notch...and it is). There isn't a weak spot at all on "School". I'm sure that when the CD arrives and you pop it in your player, you won't be disappointed!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Performing Rights

Todd- to elaborate on what Peter S-B explained. Venues (including some schools, clubs, malls, concert halls) pay a sum of money per year for “performing rights.” In the UK, and I assume in the USA, a performer fills in a PRS (Performing Rights Society) sheet detailing what they played – not that it’s checked and many write in only their own compositions. Supposedly all those sheets (or most likely a random selection) get fed into a computer. All members of the PRS get a basic something, but anyone mentioned a lot on the sheets would get more. I think there’s a ceiling or maximum. As far as I know (and PSB will correct me here if I’m wrong) it works a bit like Public Lending right for authors, where you get money for library loans. Every registered member gets something. I think the maximum an author in the UK can get is only £6000. Not a lot for J.K. Rowling’s number of loans. Authors also benefit from photocopying royalties (BUT NOT FROM THE USA … YET!!!). In the UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and other fair-dealing non rip-off copyright systems, a small number of institutions are selected randomly each quarter and have to do a meticulous log of all their photocopying. This is then aportioned among the members of the rights society (ALCS in the UK) on the assumption that the percentage will be representative. In music, I suspect that all the major composers hit their maximum portion with ease every year. (Assuming that as with us poor scribes there is a ceiling)

Radio and TV play is different and far more lucrative. When this came up last time, I pointed out that RR’s most profitable composition might well be the Touchstone Pictures Logo- money every time it appears on a video, DVD, TV screen or cinema screen. Lots and lots of tiny sums.


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Posted by:

Mike Kelly

Location: austin

Subject: trades

Anybody trade Band boots on this list? Whaddaya say Eddie V? I can be reached off list @ mike.kelly@ci.austin.tx.us


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Posted by:

rosalind

Well Jay, thank you for that lovely sentiment and You be sure and have a nice Holiday now.

Chim-chim-in-nee
Chim-chim-in-nee
Chim-chim cher-eee
A sweep is as lucky
As lucky can be...

I love that song...


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Posted by:

John W.

Must be a Red Sox fan...


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Posted by:

jay rumsey

Location: boston england

dont think i have ever come across so many truly enthusiastic music lovers in any other site. thanks for a very interesting read, but some of the jargon was reminisent of people fucked up from the sixties and very mumbley man...........sweet dreams fuckers


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Alan Edge: How do you like the "Schools For Fools" CD?... Mine is on its way...

Hope everyone is having a good friday... gotta go, we're decorating Easter eggs today... and watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang... I think Dick Van Dyke should have replaced Robbie... and then Stevie coulda been a backup singer...


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Royalties

Peter: Thank you for the info. I'm still a little confused though. Why wouldn't the Performers (who are getting paid by the venue) have to pay someone to use the songs?


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Fred, Gourds and Garth

Fred, mio paisano Gourdito, concerning your suggestion that The Gourds 'n Garth get together, I dropped the biggest hint possible the night I met and played with dem beeble at the Abbey Pub in Chicago: I wore a Garth Hudson tee-shirt. Man, what an incredible melding that would be. Interestingly, as I mentioned in a previous post, it was only a couple of shows later that The Gourds covered, for the first time, UOCC and TNTDODD. Btw, Claud Bernard is kind of a baby Garth; he plays accordion, organ and guitar (as well as singing more). Fred, email me off the GB, per favore. edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: Royalties (for Todd)

Todd,

The way it works is that the venue be it a club or a concert hall etc., pays a performing rights organization (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) a set fee in order to perform the songs. These funds sort of find their way back to the songwriter eventually (maybe).


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Royalties

I'm still trying to find out how royalties work in regard to live performance.

For example: Did The Band have to pay Bruce Springsteen when they performed "Atlantic City" in concert? I assume that Bruce got publishing money when the song appeared on Jericho, but I am wondering specifically about live performances. (I figured that if I presented the question with a songwriter other than Robbie we could avoid "bashing" from either direction.) Any info would be appreciated.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Photo

It's great to see such a nice photo from one of these side projects. I'm glad they had a pro like Danny Clinch around. It really makes a difference.


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Posted by:

Joy

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Photo

Check out the photo of Levon and Garth when they recorded with the Dixie Hummingbirds.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Rod brings up an interesting point. Then there is Ciarlante and Weider's point of view following it from the article in Soundwaves on this site.

"Maybe Rick and Levon had other ideas about where The Band should be heading and they didn't want to be sub-ordinates in an RR led project."

**************************************************

"Levon was the boss," Ciarlante agreed. "The other two (Rick and Garth) would always say 'if Levon wants to do it, then we'll do it.' He has that charisma."

"Garth would take the basic structure of what the Band was doing, and dress it up a bit," Ciarlante added. "He could orchestrate it, arrange it, in a more sophisticated way, in a way that, at least, Robbie Robertson wanted to take it. Plus, he plays such great stuff."

I know we didn't hear too much from Garth during those last three albums and it sounds like they are complimenting Robbie and bringing out the best of Garth.

"It ('Hog') got away from the rocking thing," Ciarlante added. "The songs (on 'Hog') were hideous. There was no input from the senior guys then, they were all working on individual projects. It was like, well, we just weren't sitting in the 'Big Pink' house, going over it all, like the original Band did in the early days. 'Jericho' was like that, like the old days for them, it was more crafted."

Levon was the "boss" during then, so what happened to the direction? What I'm getting at is somebody needs to have the creative vision to see things out in music projects like these. Just because you say you have a collaborative effort, doesn't necessarily mean it will actually turn out that way. Why didn't Rick or Garth say anything to their "boss?" I love The Band in their heyday with all those intricate textures. It seems to me that they became somewhat of a bar band under the "boss'" direction. Obviously when comparing the original five's work to the newer stuff, there is a strong difference. I'm just surprised more people don't mention that great interview with Ciarlante and Weider. Or is it simply that people dismiss what they say since they weren't the original members and how dare they say things against The Band in it's later incarnation?

Tracy


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: The Feud

I think that because The Band took us back to our roots, we made them consciously (sp?) or unconsciously part of our family. Not brothers, mind you, but cousins. And when cousins feud the natural instinct is to step in and try and heal the breach.

Well, these men are all over 60 (or will be very soon) and hard as it is to let go, I suppose we must. They are not "family" and their business is really none of ours. As far as their behavior, I don't think they are behaving as adults, but rather as kindergardners battling it out on the playground. It breaks my heart and wounds me to the bone to have watched it happen and see it continue to today, but I suppose there is nothing to be done.

I go see Levon and the Barnburners tonight at the North Star Cafe. Maybe after I see him play (haven't seen Levon drum in 29 years) I will be able to let go and stop hoping that things can be patched up.

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

babukishan

Location: india
Web: My link

Subject: worldmusic/babukishan

worldmusic/babukishan


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The 80's reunion thing

I can understand why RR might have been less than impressed with the reunited Band attempting to put out an album in the early - mid eighties. He was the one who maintained that The Band would continue to record together after TLW and I think he was quoted as talking about a Band album as late as 1980. I don't know if he would have done anything to stop such a project but he would have been justifiably aggreaved in being excluded. In any case in 1983 , just five years after TLW, most major labels would have been reluctant to put out a Band album that didn't include him.

It's interesting that he chose Garth and Richard to work with him on Between Trains and The Best of Everthing. He was obviously still keen to work with his old Band mates (even right through to his first two solo albums). Maybe Rick and Levon had other ideas about where The Band should be heading and they didn't want to be sub-ordinates in an RR led project. The biggest obstacle to a real Band project would of course have been the touring issue and this may have been more important to some members than others.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: EN

A third one who's been wondering about Empty Now. Do check in and let us know if you read this.


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Posted by:

Fred

Ed Voci: ever try to get the Gourds hooked up with Garth for a studio project?...I think his keyboard/horns wizardry would mesh well with their style and material


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Empty Now; Lil

Lil, I was wondering about EN, too. We had talked off-GB a few times and he always acknowledged or responded in some fashion. I received no response the last time, however (about three weeks ago). I had no idea about his having cancer. How serious is or was it? edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

jerry

Subject: For those Minnie Gbers

Dave Z,...and the other Minnie folks in here, Richard Thompson is playing on Thursday 4-24 at First Ave. 6 pm....Lynn Miles opens..............


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: That Was A Very Interesting Comment.

Magdalene Lane is the red-light domain
Where eveyone's soul is for sale
A piece of your heart will do as a start
You can send us the rest in the mail..

For we have our own families to feed
And we can't let them starve just for you
But we'd rather not watch while you bleed
So come back in an hour when you're through ...

-Don McClean-

I have no idea why that song came to my mind ... it's a mystery..


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Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Subject: Questions about 1983 Tour

Yes there was a Lawsuit, Regardless what Robbie stated to some reporter and all four members of the reformed Band were named as was their Manager.

Music had changed in 1983, gone was the Disco craze and in with the MTV music groups and that was also the summer of the reunions of 70's groups. The Band's shows were looked as a oldies reunion and the advertizing was on oldies stations. Even their management team had stated that they gave the 1983 lineup a year until the oldies thing wore off. Gone were the days of Forty or Fifty thousand coming out to see the shows,( except for their shows with the Dead )Most events had under 5000 at the shows, sometimes under 1000.

There was no concern of Royalities at all. If Royalities were a concern they would have only played oldies or their solo stuff, instead of just mixing in a few.

Can you make a record deal if you don't own the name? Oh yeah... Robbie gave them his blessing.

If anyone has questions about that tour, I will answer the best I can. I can be reached at owenjones at mindspring dot com



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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: The Band and Elvis Costello again

Anything The Sun prints is sound by me........Top Rag!!

Seeing Cousin Paul posting(hi) has reminded me of something I meant to mention some time back when everyone was talking about The Band and Elvis Costello etc. Is anyone familiar with the song "Deep Dark Truthful Mirror" from Costello's "Spike" album? I'm sure it's probably been mentioned here at some point. To my ears it sounds like The Band all over, seriously it sounds so like them it's spooky. I can hear either Richard or Rick on vocals(Either one would do a fine job), more Rick actually and the horns make it sound like it could slot in to "Rock Of Ages" just perfect. If anyone hasn't heard it I strongly recommend checking it out, it's a lovely song and right on the vibe of our five heroes.


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

Just scrolling through the archives, back in 1983 Rick and Levon played The Elmo-Combo and the place you were wondering about was called B.B.McGoons in Yorkville.It was in a period of a month and may I say they really rocked both nights!! I still have Peter Goddards reviews from The Toronto Star from both shows. Paul


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Posted by:

Lil

Has anyone heard from "Empty Now"? I worry about him, so sick with cancer, and it's been awhile since he posted here or mailed me. If anyone's heard from him.. thanks.


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Posted by:

Nosferatu

Subject: Roberto ...

Good Luck Hun ... I can gar-un-ti you will live at least four more years but believe me it will seem like for-ever.


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Posted by:

Roberto Oliveira das Neves

Location: Brasil
Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz

Hi,guys! I'm 41 years old. It was 1977, winter, I went to the cine to see "The Last Waltz". Stunishing! Marvelous! Great! From then on I became a Dylan and The Band addict! 2002, I've almost had the same end as Richard Manuel. Four year in depression taking several antidepressives and benzodiazepinics made me a ghost. This year has begun better. Let's see! Thank you!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

The Band HAD a multimillion dollar record deal with Sony but were dropped supposedly after Robbie's Storyville sold less than expected. They did pocket some change from that however. To add to my last post, if you stretch the time from Cahoots to Robbie's first solo outing in '87, that's 16 years with only one entirely original, true album, NLSC. Funny, with all the Robbie bashing and all, but if Robbie really wanted to put a nail in the coffin of a Band reunion and take full advantage of TLW publicity, he would of had a solo album out sometime in '79, '80 at the latest rather than waiting ten years. If anything, his absence from the scene allowed the reformed Band to have much more credibility and acceptance than if they were competing with a successful solo Robbie at the same time.


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Posted by:

terry mullen

Location: england

Subject: recordings

i have many live bootleg cds anyone interested in swaps phishtez@blueyonder.co.uk


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: The Times ...They Did Change

Isn't it possible that the re-formed Band couldn't get a record deal? I heard they even had a little trouble getting "Jericho" released. (I've forgotten what the exact reason was for that) I was just kinda sorry that "This Wheel's On Fire" had to co-in-cide with Jericho. It looked suspiciously like a set-up to me.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Answer to Tracy

All good questions, but as I think of it this is quite in context with the history of the Band even with RR. If you think about it, from the time the left Ronnie Hawkins to Big Pink, they released but a few singles, and what was that, 5-6 years? From Cahoots in '71 to TLW release in '78, which we can consider the end of RR's real participation, they released but one true album of originals, being Northern Lights, Southern Cross in 1975. So, not counting Islands, a compilation of odds and ends, and Moondog Matinee, a covers album, that's but one album in 7 years! Thing of it is, as good a writer as Robbie may have been in his prime, he never was a prolific writer. And the Band were never prolific album makers outside of a 3 year period.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Lovely songs

I am so pleased that you have brought here so many lovely love songs.Van' s.etc......Let' s continue: Bruce Cockburn has many other killer love songs like One Of The Best Ones.I may have to keep Finnish, Spanish, Portuquese love songs out here, although there are so many from Caetano Veloso, Olavi Virta, Ismael Serrano, Uxia etc...

In English: My dearest unshamedly romantic album is Harry Nilsson' s Son Of Schmilsson In The Night. If you are a guy and you are not ashamed to show your sensitive yin side to a romantic girl, this is it!

Diane Schuur' s For Your Love...Nick Lowe' s Heart...a bit twisted Joe Ely' s Spanish Is A Loving Tongue...Sam Cooke' s You Send Me...Tim Buckley' s Sing A Song For You....etc... so many


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Posted by:

Tracy

Why didn't the reformed Band make a record in support of their tour in '83? Seeing as though it has been mentioned many times the belief taht their music was a collaborative effort? Rick wrote his own songs, Richard did, Levon was credited on a few here and there. So, why not? Who needs the guy that wrote the vast majority of it when you can go out and prove to the world that you can stand on your own two feet and come up with something new and fresh? I'll never quite understand that among the arguements of collaborative efforts. Why did it take them so long (10 years) to release their next album, "Jericho?"

Tracy


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

"Going Up The Country" now Todd....(the other one).....So hopefully to be continued......Gee....more posters have joined the.......club lately......Illustrates the manner in which I speak actually.....Only criteria.....Ya have to be a real MUSIC FAN......;-D....BTW....Who at this very moment is downloading all my Daniel Lanois songs?.....April 22.....Daniel's "Shine" is out here......and.....EARTH DAY.....


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Typo

Sorry for the typo. That should have read "Robbie" not Bobbie.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: B.E.G/Robbie Interview

Thanks for posting the exerpt from the Bobbie interview again. It's nice to know that they had Robbie's blessing and that he didn't want to stand in the way.

Do you happen to know if the reformed band had to pay royalties to Robbie in order to publicly perform the songs?


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: BobbyQueing

Oh, My, God, outstanding sadavid ... Made my day ...

Did you watch the "BobbyQueing" video? ...

I'm going out in the rain right now and fire up the Webber ...



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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: One last link...scroll past if you don't want political...

...on the Iraqi museum looting. The reaction of these Bush admistration insiders says more than I ever could...if people believe what Harry Truman used to say, "The Buck Stops Here," meaning that the President is accountable when all's said and done, they will recognize that the current President should answer for what he does and does not do...he won't and can't of course, but I wanted to make that point...


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: The Panther Sleeps Tonight

I took a vow never to post anything political, but when I stumbled upon the site [My Link] I thought it too good not to share.

The Band link is that Greil Marcus references Bobby Seale a fair bit in "Mystery Train."


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Beatles

Sam, I've watched the entire DVD set. And it's fantastic. And it's mastered loud. For some odd reason when I got it, I went backwards and went from 8 down to 1. If you like, I can try and locate exactly where that picture of The Hawks is on the DVD. Seeing that picture brought a smile to my face.

In regards to the Shea Stadium performance, it was filmed in it's entirety as far as I know. I beleieve ABC filmed it. And I believe there's a bootleg of the show too. I must agree that both the picture and sound of the Shea performance are damn near pristine, in light of 1965 technology compared to today. No rush on that list, by the way. Purchasing the Anthology on DVD put me on a Beatles kick to the point that the mono mixes of Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pepper (mono is better than stereo) and White Album have been dug up. And I found a disc I forgot that I had, which contains tracks excluded from the BBC, Anthology 1 and 2 sets. And now...back to The Band.


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Moon Struck One comp/Various

Picked up the "Moon Struck One" comp of Band songs featuring Richard. I'm really suprised how much I like this CD. It just looked cheap (The cover art)and was cheap, 9.99 or something so I sort of snooted at it just a bit, then broke down and got it. I'm still expecting to hear certain songs after other songs, e.g., "Rag Mama Rag" after "Across the Great Divide"; then I get this visceral kick out of hearing the opening bell of the segue in a fresh way. and geez, what a singer. just to focus on that. As with Mr. Viney "The Moon" is not my favorite bandsong, and I'd replace it with about anything (personally I have a preference to "Right as Rain" just now) still, I've played this record repeatedly, obcessively which I had no idea i'd do, I thiought of it as a stocking stuffer when I picked it up.

Paul G. I've always played JLTT'sBlues using D-G-A. Its comfortable in that form and key for me, and I love the a position for starting on the turn around. The D and A chords can hammer together in alot of interesting combinations. Fun song. Jimmy La Fave has an interesting go of it also. Never heard Lightfoot's version...


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I've already posted excerpts from Robbie's 1988 BAM interview on this site.....but here goes again......and.....again.....and......again....

BAM: Some of them went out on the road individually and with other outfits in the interim, but apparently it wasn't just the road they missed, but the whole sense of being the Band?

ROBBIE: We would talk about it, and I would just say, "You've got my blessing. I hope that it works really well for you." I never, ever wanted to try and get in the way or prevent it. They'd say "Well listen, can we use this name and everything?" I thought "Of course." It's more up to the audience to figure out, to put a make on that, how they feel about it.

"Suicide" boot by The Beatles....John is talking about American group Motherfuckers?????

Louuuuu's "Perfect Day"....No question about it....Another ultimate....LOVE SONG....


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Brien Sz

.......well , gee...why didn't you say that in the first place!!!? I have to say, I was waxing fairly philo-pharsical, but that was a 3am post after a healthy night of dark -beer swilling and musicizing. I did like the comparison to Christ!!! I like to set my sights high! Have I mentioned that I was at the Last Waltz?(There, a thread back to the Band)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Todd A - that would explain it. I missed the intro because I was so sick of the number of commercials and left the room for a minute. When I returned, Todd R. was into the song. So it makes sense that he did "Hello It's Me". Now everyone will run out and buy this new live CD, except me. I have a nice comp CD of Runt's stuff, and that's fine.

I'm glad we sorted all that out - now I can sleep tonight.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I for one would appreciate it if Bobbie Jones elaborated. Was there an actual effort on RR's part to deny them the use of the name The Band? Given what we know about share-buying etc, the name was probably controlled by RR, although Levon claims to have retained his share of the group. Despite wishing them well, its pretty obvious that at the time RR thought resuscitating the group was at best counterproductive.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 18:41:12 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

The British rag "The Sun" has surveyed their readers for their favorite all time romantic songs, here are the results:

1) Perfect Day - Lou Reed
2) The Power of Love - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
3) You Are Everything - Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye
4) I Don't Want To Talk About It - Rod Stewart
5) If You Don't Know Me By Now - Simply Red
6) Have I Told You Lately That I Love You - Van Morrison
7) Always And Forever - Heat Wave
8) Runaway - The Corrs
9) Time After Time - Cindi Lauper
10) From This Moment On - Shania Twain


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Posted by:

Jack Staw

Location: "Springtime in the Rockies"

Subject: Another Love Song (trite but nice, and true I'm sure)

Love will abide
Take things in stride
Sounds like good advice
But there's no one at my side

And time washes clean
Love's wounds unseen
That's what someone told me
But I don't know what it means

Cause I've done everything I know
To try and make you mine
And I think I'm gonna love you
For a long, long time

Caught in my fears
Blinking back the tears
I can't say you hurt me
When you never let me near

And I never drew
One response from you
All the while you fell
Over girls you never knew

And I've done everything I know
To try and make you mine
And I think it's gonna hurt me
For a long, long time

Wait for the day, you go away
Knowing that you warned me
Of the price I'd have to pay

And life's full of loss
Who knows the cost
Living in the memory
Of the love that never was

Cause I've done everything I know
To try and change your mind
And I think I'm gonna miss you
For a long, long time

-L. Ronstadt


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Bayou Sam/Sleep is Good

I realized that the "I can't help wondering why...." line was not part of the Todd thought. I was replying to the previous line where you mentioned that you thought is was strange that he did an older song.

In regards to sleep, I heard Letterman's intro for Todd where he held up the cd, and then I fell asleep on the couch before the actual performance. I knew I should have taped it.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 18:07:44 CEST 2003 from smfr-sh4-port203.snet.net (204.60.18.203)

Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Levon/Robbie

I don't know much about the music business, but is it possible that Levon and the reunited Band, on the 1983 tour, had to pay Robbie royalties in order to perform the songs live? If so, perhaps that could have added to any hard feelings between them. If that is indeed what happened, it could have created a difficult situation. The fans want to hear the hits. Robbie wants to get paid. Levon doesn't want to pay for the privelege of performing songs that he feels were created in a spirit of collaboration.

Even though Levon didn't publicly start talking about the feud untill late 1983, perhaps in hindsight he realized that the "beginning of the end" started just after the Brown album.
Just my speculation....


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Posted by:

...

Subject: BOBBIE JONES' POST

THERE'S THE TRUTH! DON'T PASS IT UP.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

My last post is a bit strange. The "I can't help wondering why...." line was not part of the Todd thought. It was going to be a new thought. The fact fact that I felt the need to post again and explain it just proves that I need to get more sleep.

Mike D. - sounds interesting. I'm reeeeeally going to try and finish off my list. I've got a little free time from work coming up. I'll e-mail you.....I'll have to look for that part in the Beatles Anthology. If you haven't done it yet, check out the disc that starts off with Shea Stadium (I think it's #5) - the footage really is amazingly crisp considering how old it is. I was very impressed with it, and thrilled at how much the anthology showed. Lennon is great in it, and the current memories of the concert by P, G, & R is wonderful too. I'd love to see a DVD released of the whole show, assuming that it was filmed in it's entirety.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Subject: Todd Rundgren on Letterman

I think that Todd was promoting a live album release from a 1990/1991 tour.
Perhaps that's the reason he didn't perform a newer song.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 17:45:37 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

On the road tp Basra stood young Lieutenant Jimmy Bly
Detailed to go through the clothes of the soldiers who died
At night in dreams he sees their souls rise
Like dark geese into the Oklahoma skies

Well this is a prayer for the souls of the departed
Those who've gone and left their babies brokenhearted
This is a prayer for the souls of the departed


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Van's "Someone Like You"....Just another ultimate LOVE SONG

I've been searching a long time
For someone exactly like you
I've been travelling all around the world
Waiting for you to come through.
Someone like you makes it
All worth while
Someone like you keeps
Me satisfied. Someone exactly
Like you.

I've been travellin' a hard road
Lookin' for someone exactly like you
I've been carryin' my heavy load
Waiting for the light to come
Shining through.
Someone like you makes it
All worth while
Someone like you keeps
Me satisfied. Someone exactly
Like you.

I've been doin' some soul searching
To find out where you're at
I've been up and down the highway
In all kinds of foreign lands
Someone like you... etc.

I've been all around the world
Marching to the beat of a different
Drum.
But just lately I have
Realised
The best is yet to come.
Someone like you... etc.

The antithesis would of course be "We Will Not Be Lovers" by Mike Scott and The Waterboys Kalervo.....I can't say enough about Mike and the boyzzzzz.....I was lucky to see them in their edgy, soulful and passionate days.....:-D.....Btw....He's a huge Van fan....as is Willy DeVille...and.....


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Posted by:

roz

Tiny Monster - Yes, quite painful. The last book I read was "The Last oPium Den" written by Nick Tosches. I'm reading John Fante ... again.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Nukes & Fukes

Yea Peter, I left out the rest of the list in respect
for the board. "My link" will take you to the whole list
on a page at Country Joe McDonalds web site. As I've said
several times before, there is a discussion board
there as well that caters to a more political crowd.
That board could use a few more people with a few more
brain cells. Why not check it out and move some of this
political rhetoric over there?

Check it out, copy and paste this to your address window;
http://www.countryjoe.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

Give the Guest Book a break.

Hey Rozlyn? ... Ain't that painful?



Entered at Thu Apr 17 16:53:16 CEST 2003 from bob39.revealed.net (208.16.227.42)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Hawks within The Beatles

Sam, I noticed that too. His performance was good but there was something about it that made me wonder. I would've thought he might have done a new song. But I guess it's ok.

Also, I was watching Volume 4 of The Beatles "Anthology" DVD yesterday when I noticed something very interesting. In a sequence that shows a bedroom full of Beatles memorabilia, as well as other pictures and pinups...there is a shot of a picture of The Hawks, all 6 of them. It's the same picture that can be seen in Levon's book as well as here at this site:

http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/levon_and_the_hawks_1964.html

I was geunuinely surprised to see The Hawks in a Beatles special. But it is fitting, in light of George being a fan of The Band when Big Pink was released in 1968. Sam, I got a few Beatles goodies you might be interested in :)


Entered at Thu Apr 17 16:52:03 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ros and sunshine

Well, don't turn into Gollum from The Hobbit!


Entered at Thu Apr 17 16:39:11 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Todd Rundgren (spelling?) was on Letterman last night. He was at the very end and performed "Hello It's Me", and wasn't interviewed. It seemed strange that he only did an old tune and that was it.

I can't help wondering why..........

The above political comment was stopped just in time so as to stick to the idea that we won't let that take over the GB.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 16:30:18 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Greg Trelease

Location: Massachusetts
Web: My link

Subject: Margie the Midget and Libby Titus

I'm 50 years old and I'm a singing drummer and my interest in The Band was rekindled by The Last Waltz DVD and then Levon's book.

Being a Steely Dan fan I am familiar to the name Libby Titus, thanks to Donald Fagen. Little did I know of her ulustrious past history in the Dylan/Band/Woodstock era. I thought her quotes in Levon's book were hilariously descriptive and witty. (When is her book due out?)

So, I was again surprised as I recorded an LP onto cassette tape last night and read the liner notes. The album is the masterpiece self-titled album from MARTIN MULL back in 1972. This is a hilarious yet very musical LP that I've been into since 1974. I had never noticed that Levon Helm played drums on a few cuts and that Libby Titus is listed as backing vocals. One listen to Margie The Midget and it very clear Levon's "tuned" drums were behind the tune.

Levon - Thank You for all the wonderful music you have given us. My admiration of your determination, your passion, your talent and your love of music grows more everyday.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 16:30:28 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Mr Deeds and Web Tv's

J-T-F = Web tvs are neat little idems. The thing's about as big as a cigar box and sits comfortably on the VCR directly under the TV. I don't even have to get out of bed. All I have to do is press one button to transfer my thoughts to Band-land. Sunshine hits my senses like a knife in the eye.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 15:54:52 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Springtime in Richmond

Subject: Some lyrics on my mind today :)

"Springtime- Is on my mind Flowers blooming all the time Smell the roses, smell the grass Old Man Winter Can kiss my ass!" "Don't you think that It's a pity Don't you think that It's a shame Don't you wish that Every season were the same?" -Spinal Tap


Entered at Thu Apr 17 15:43:57 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Rosalind

Rosalind: It's spring time. Turn off the tv, turn off the computer, and go get some fresh air.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 15:30:41 CEST 2003 from ppp360.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.44)

Posted by:

paulg

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Just like Tom Thum

David. Many thanks. I pretty well have the song down. Not decided on what key as yet. The Lightfoot version appears to be the same as Dylan. shineonpaulg


Entered at Thu Apr 17 14:59:54 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

I'm in the middle of watching "Mr. Deeds Goes to Washington" Gary Cooper reminds me of Robbie.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 14:24:07 CEST 2003 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: developments on another feud in the music biz

The other day I was looking through Pollstar and was shocked to see Joe Cocker and Leon Russell on the same bill in Oklahoma City on 4-21-03 & 4-22-03 and Cocker who is out headlining his own tour will be opening for Leon...

I am a big Cocker & Russell fan loved Mad Dogs and Englishmen (actually like it more than Last Waltz) and from what I read Joe and Leon hate each other from I guess the Mad Dog days Joe thinking Leon was trying to steal the show or whatever happened... I would love to see if they will share the stage for a few just like the old days... I have a feeling Cocker will bring the house down giving a little extra to show Leon that he is no match for him..

anybody in the Gb know anything about this reunion??


Entered at Thu Apr 17 14:07:28 CEST 2003 from ti121210a080-3323.bb.online.no (80.212.12.251)

Posted by:

Sofus

Subject: The Last Waltz

I got the Last Waltz DVD and have seen it a couple of times the last week. And my favourite movie is still The Blues Brothers. The Last Waltz constantly focuses on Robbie. And instead of seeing his guitar and his playing on the solos, we get too see his face, full of make-up. I have Levon's book, and it had many more hours of enjoyment. The worst thing about The Last Waltz though, was the complete lack of Richard. I think we had something like 5 longer shots of Richard in total. The movie had it's highlights, but it was like The Robbie Movie, not to say anything bad about him, but it's nice to sometimes see the singer instead of the guitar player, if you know what I mean.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 13:52:55 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-234.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.234)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Tavener / Band link

Band link (for those who wondered what the f**k John Tavener had to do with it): The John Tavener handbells piece I heard yesterday is called Last Sleep of the Virgin. I got a CD of it today by the Chilingirian Quartet. The leader’s name is Levon Chilingirian. So where did he get it and why? Also, the sleeve advises “This track should be played at a barely audible level.” Which is different from the PLAY LOUD one! Is Ragtime around to enlighten us?


Entered at Thu Apr 17 13:30:57 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Rollie - two things. First, the post post was more a tongue in cheek thing. Secondly, innocent people die everyday for fruitless, shitty reasons. Do i think it sucks that innocent children, young adults, adults and the elderly have died in this mess - yes. Do really you think our servicemen really tried to just kill innocent people? I think no. But war is war. If one is to engage in such an effort, then you better be ready to suffer the ills of the event. I truly don't think oil was the main thrust of this operation. If it was, then why don't we just take out Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, two countries whose oil production is bigger and we depend on more (and if to keep with certain thinking, I'm sure we can drum up a good reason for taking them over; like say lots of terrorists seem to come from Saudi Arabia). France and Russia depend on Iraqi oil more than we do, do you think we went there for them?

As for your ideal that you would suffer so others may live on -well, how shall i put this - that's mighty Christ of you. I'd like to be able to share that sentiment with you but the culture I've grown up in has progrgammed me that I should speak freely and live a cozy existence in comparison to most third world countries. So if it really comes down to my way of life at the expense of innocents, so be it. If that sucks, well, too bad. That's life or at least someone elses ;)


Entered at Thu Apr 17 11:00:54 CEST 2003 from sdn-ap-025castocp0292.dialsprint.net (65.179.225.38)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Honest question Brien

This has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's a simple yes or no question. Do you believe we have the right to kill little kids and their families , as long as we have our oil? You,ve evaded the main thrust of the issue.I'm not passing judgement here(hooray , you say )although I'm more inclined to go down with the ship, the ship being the well being of my fellow man. But I understand , It's all talk until push comes to shove. Are we in a fight for the very survival of our economic and energy foundations,ie:our lifeline? If we are , we have to face the fact that at some point, our supplies (of oil) will run out. What then? Who dies next? Is there a better way? Should we try to find it sooner or later? Just asking..........keep a good thought , we're gonna need it............


Entered at Thu Apr 17 10:27:26 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-149.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.149)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Until Jan fixes the GB

You can make the scrolling problem less painful
by inserting line breaks rather than paragraph breaks
Thus keeping lines of a short length. Type a 'backslash'
and a "b" at the end of each line.
It's like a paragraph break (backslash + n) but doesn't
insert the empty line of space.

I don't see what relevance the list of five nuclear countries
was but you missed out India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea
plus it's assumed South Africa once had them, but has no
longer. They were supposed to have developed them with
Israel which explained mysterious explosions in the Indian
Ocean at the time.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 09:47:03 CEST 2003 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Posted by:

Markku (Quos)

Subject: Rhino Last Waltz vinyl

did anyone in Europe receive the Last Waltz limited edition vinyl from Rhino? How long did the shipping take for you? I ordered mine in mid-February, my card was credited, they say it was shipped the same day, but I have not seen it yet (2 months should be more than enough).


Entered at Thu Apr 17 09:31:23 CEST 2003 from as3-1-70.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.248)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA
Web: My link

Levon Helm plays on Rufus Wainwright's (son of Loudon Wainwright and Kate McGarrigle) latest album, scheduled for release in the fall (see link). It's being produced by Marius deVries, who, as some of you no doubt remember, has collaborated musically in the past with a guy who also happens to be Wainwright's A&R man at Dreamworks Records...no prizes for guessing the name...

I guess this is as close to a "reunion" as we can expect!


Entered at Thu Apr 17 06:34:04 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Rolling Reading

You know, if you have a mouse with a wheel on it, you can lock the wheel and move the mouse around in a circle, taking in several posts at a time ... around and up and down ..... he-he .....

Damn ... I'm doin it again arn't I ... ?

Sorry ... I'm going to bed now

Everything looks kinda funny ...



Entered at Thu Apr 17 06:13:20 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois
Web: My link

Subject: If it's Gourd enough for Todd....

Interview snippett with Todd Rungren:

"RS: What are you listening to these days?

"TR: Well I listen to music that I hear occasionally that I enjoy. I did discover something I liked when I was on the road. It was a band called The Gourds from Austin, Texas. Ostensibly they're a country band but they don't do country songs. Well they (laughter) do do country songs but they do some non country songs in such a peculiar way that they really appeal to me...."

----from mwe3.com


Entered at Thu Apr 17 05:53:32 CEST 2003 from dialup-65.58.210.173.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net (65.58.210.173)

Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Subject: 1983 Tour

If Robbie had his way you would have seen the Danko,Helm, Hudson,Manuel Band Reunion. Public Record in Los Angeles 1983.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 05:08:18 CEST 2003 from va-spotsy-cuda1-c5b-95.frbgva.adelphia.net (68.65.37.95)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

I just tried to post a message about a great concert last night with Richard and Linda Thompson's only son, Teddy, opening for Rosanne Cash, but couldn't due to technical problems. It was a wonderful show and I may post more about it later. Go see them if you can.

In the meantime, click the link for the great new issue of "The Onion." This place needs some comic relief and it will change those tears of rage to tears of laughter...


Entered at Thu Apr 17 05:03:48 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so
big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.

Did I just say that out loud?
Or was that you? ....
Thanks ...



Entered at Thu Apr 17 05:02:12 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Reply to Rollie

Yes - but only if there was an elaborate conspiracy concocted and executed flawlessly;)

Maybe in retropsect Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been called Operation Badges? We don't need no stinkin' Badges!


Entered at Thu Apr 17 03:55:37 CEST 2003 from 186-pool2.ras15.ilchi-e.alerondial.net (206.148.93.186)

Posted by:

Jon

Location: Late 60's

Subject: Double posts

Sorry about the double posts. Bad Karma.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 03:52:18 CEST 2003 from 186-pool2.ras15.ilchi-e.alerondial.net (206.148.93.186)

Posted by:

Jon

Location: Out There

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 03:51:11 CEST 2003 from 186-pool2.ras15.ilchi-e.alerondial.net (206.148.93.186)

Posted by:

Jon

Location: Out There

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 03:01:55 CEST 2003 from proxy1.dmzglobal.net (203.144.32.165)

Posted by:

Rod

Location: the fuede

I know this subjects been done to death but I still find it interesting as it's one of the few mysteries left about The Band. If I had time I'd love to complile a list of quotes from various members (mainly Levon) that would help pin point when this whole thing started. I agree with Pat that it was probably around '83. What was happenning then? The Band reunion, the Between Train's recording and probably other bit's and pieces.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 02:34:07 CEST 2003 from mcha-aa067.taconic.net (205.231.148.66)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Lifeboy: I realize my last posted sounded kind of nasty. Sorry. Obviously you didn't know.. or you wouldn't have posted quite so many exclamation points. Oh well... I'll just stock up on Tylenol for the headache and Visine for the eye strain :-) Have a good night.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 02:29:04 CEST 2003 from host217-40-200-76.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.40.200.76)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: oops!

Didn't realise that would happen!

Sorry Lil

X


Entered at Thu Apr 17 02:24:49 CEST 2003 from mcha-aa067.taconic.net (205.231.148.66)

Posted by:

Lil

Oh good. Can't people screw up the gb when Jan is around? Now we all have to scroll from side to side for the next week to read this stuff. Thanks Lifeboy.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 02:01:27 CEST 2003 from host217-40-200-76.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.40.200.76)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Location: Cognac

ARSE!!!


Entered at Thu Apr 17 02:00:44 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: WOMB ... er ... D

Countries with Nuclear Weapons Capability

#1. U.S.
HISTORY Set off first nuclear blast in 1945.
Has conducted 1,030 tests, more than the rest of the world combined.
ARSENAL 12,070 warheads.
MISSILE RANGE 8,100 mi. (13,000 km),
able to reach anywhere in the world

2# BRITAIN
HISTORY First test in 1952;
has performed 45 in all
ARSENAL 380 warheads.
RANGE 7,500 mi. (12,000 km)

#3. FRANCE
HISTORY Testing since 1961;
210 tests in all. Conducted six controversial tests
ARSENAL 500 warheads.
RANGE 3,300 mi. (5,300 km)

#4. RUSSIA
HISTORY Second to conduct tests;
715 in all. Once a major player in arms race,
ARSENAL 22,500 warheads.
RANGE 6,800 mi. (11,000 km)

#5. CHINA
HISTORY Started testing in 1964;
45 tests in all.
Known to be helping Pakistan with its nuclear efforts.
ARSENAL 450 warheads.
RANGE 6,800 mi. (11,000 km)



Entered at Thu Apr 17 01:44:40 CEST 2003 from sdn-ap-025castocp0042.dialsprint.net (65.179.224.42)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: question for Brien Sz

Would I be off base then Brien, in regards to your post, in saying that you believe it's okay to kill innocent people , so long as we have our oil?


Entered at Thu Apr 17 01:34:53 CEST 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: curiosity and WMD

Bones: Most of us are sometimes curious about things that are not our business. But truth really is stranger than fiction and conjecture doesn't get you there.

JTull: Los Alamos National Lab owns part of the US chem/bio research and it is all threat reduction. The offensive weapons work was discontinued in the 70s. For example, we identified the strain of anthrax used in the post 9/11 incidents. You can't tell scientists to stop thinking about how something COULD be done, but no weapons are being designed or developed.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 01:15:49 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... ? ...

... I'm sorry, did sombody say something ... ? ...



Entered at Thu Apr 17 01:10:49 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

roz

Pat, The word "Inflame" can be a mighty powerful word when mixed with underlying resentment.

Sorry I posted so much, I have the day off.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:43:41 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-224-44.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.224.44)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

As has been noted here many times, Levon still spoke highly of RR in early 1983 and began referring publicly to the feud in late 1983. RR's subsequent recording career had nothing to do with it, except perhaps to inflame it.

Of course it is impossible to get inside either man's head and know what really went on etc. However, it is possible to check the contemporaneous written record and clarify for yourselves certain salient facts about the thing.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:35:55 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: LSD

Boy, that stuff is bad for ya man. I can get nearly the same efect by mixi ... nevermind.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:31:48 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bennie

Location: USA

Thanks Crabgrass for the pictures of the JWB.One of my favorite bands. Good guitar playing, and I love that singing ryhthm section. As far as I'm concerned the SF finding sweethearts like Abu Abbas under Hussein's protection in Baghdad is like finding weapons of mass destruction.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:23:36 CEST 2003 from nas1-billings-98.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.98)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

I suddenly became strangely inebriated. The external world became changed as in a dream. Objects appeared to gain inrelief; they assumed unusual dimensions; and colors became more glowing. Even self-perception and the sense of time were changed. When the eyes were closed, colored pictures flashed past in a quickly changing kaleidoscope. After a few hours, the not unpleasant inebriation, which had been experienced whilst I was fully conscious, disappeared. what had caused this condition? - - Albert Hofmann - - Laboratory Notes (1943


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:18:29 CEST 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: LSD

It is reported that today is the day Albert Hoffman first dosed himself with the drug, d-lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate, most popularly known as LSD.

I think I speak for most of us here when I say;

... *Thank You Uncle Albert* ...

Band related ? ... You tell me ...

Cheers and Trails ...



Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:16:46 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-216.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.216)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Stevie inThe Band?

Sorry … at the risk of lowering the tone disgracefully … but I just couldn’t resist. DZ suggests that Stevie Nicks could have replaced Robbie in the reformed Band. So if that had happened, who would have drawn the short straw? Or would a longer straw have been preferable? Would it have been Butch’s job? And would it be the best job or worst job you ever had?

My admiration for Stevie Nick’s singing is unbounded, and I greatly look forward to the new album – I think it’s the 28th in the UK. And for the record, she roundly denies the rumour. And I believe her, but … ah, well, it’s a change from politics.


Entered at Thu Apr 17 00:01:47 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

continued ...

Don't forget that Robbie signed that big old record deal with Geffen in 84. Pre-production on that comeback album started in the fall of 84. News travels fast when you have friends and enemies in common.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:41:29 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-216.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.216)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Van / Modern classical (!)

Wittgenstein – I thought it was a well-written and amusing article. It mentioned Karl Denver’s version of Wimoweh, which was horrendous. I guess you know my opinion of Pete Seeger.

For the Brits: Van is playing the Larmertree pre-festival open air gig on 11th July. It’s in an 18th century garden near Cranborne, Dorset. Capacity is only about 1000. Call 023 8071 1820 for tickets, or online at www.larmertree.co.uk but be quick- the last two Van shows there sold out in days. Tickets are £29. It’s a beautiful venue, about 25 miles north of Bournemouth. Hope to see some of you there! Van plays it because he lives near. Jools Holland is on the 17th July too, opening the festival proper – Ron Sexsmith is at the main festival over the weekend, as is the Oysterband and Jackie Leven (Band connection there).

Music – it’s great when you see something totally out of your experience and known styles of music and it’s magic. I went to see a John Tavener piece, ‘Maya Atma’ premiered in a small studio theatre with John Tavener introducing. I only bought a ticket (at only £5.60 or $8) because I remembered that he was the first Apple classical artist with The Whale. Otherwise, I was totally ignorant. There were six pieces, five with a soprano, with Tavener on piano on one. The premiere was violin, soprano and percussion. About 200 seats and sold out months ago. One long piece was handbells and string quartet. It’s easy to forget how wonderful natural unamplified instruments sound in a small room. Totally magic.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:23:05 CEST 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: moving south
Web: My link

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!

Easter film tip for all GB teachers: "Etre et avoir" by Nicolas Philibert.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:16:45 CEST 2003 from nas1-billings-98.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.98)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: You Know

Subject: You Want Music ?

"There's a big, brown cloud in the city, And the countryside's a sin. An' the price of life is too high to give up, Gotta come down again. When the world wide war is over and done, And the dream of peace comes true. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up Eatin' that rainbow stew.

When they find out how to burn water, and the gasoline car is gone. When an airplane flies without any fuel, And the satellite heats our home. One of these days when the air clears up, and the sun comes shinin' through. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. All be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eaten' that rainbow stew.

You don't have to get high to get happy, just think about what's in store. When people start doin' what they oughta be doin', then they won't be booin' no more. When a President goes through the White House door,an' does what he says he'll do. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, Eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. We'll all be drinkin' that free bubble-up, Eatin' some rainbow stew."

Merle Haggard


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:15:54 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Sorry ...

I got a feelin' that Levon didn't like the fact that he and the boys went from the top of the heap, making records for the world, making a little money to enjoy their lives with, eating in the best restaurants, driving neat cars, and so forth to playing the Chitlin deal once again. He saw what was happening to Richard and it tore him to pieces inside. Robbie sittin' out there, Hollywood pals by his side, drivin' that black BMW around and being heralded as the brains behind the Band, the King-Pin while Levon, Rick, Richard and Garth worked their asses off on the road in litte two-bit clubs, the sawdust and vomit crowd. I can understand Levon's anger. I'm suprised he didn't blow Robbie's head off. I guess he kinda did .... and it was legal too


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:10:24 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

Paulg: Off the top of my head, the song is basically:

G -- C
C -- G
G -- C
C -- G
C -- G (don't put on any airs when you're down...)
D -- G (they've got some hungry women there...)

I can't remember Lightfoot's version. You can add some transitional chords and change the key or use a capo. There's an intro I can't remember without a guitar handy.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 23:02:41 CEST 2003 from 1cust159.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.159)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Dylan Acoustic & Electric

When Dylan first toured with an electric band in '65 and '66 he sought to please his folk fans by doing the first half of the concerts solo acoustic thereby easing the transition for those who needed it. Folkie performers who initially criticized Dylan's move eventually followed his visionary lead and recruited electric bands as well.

I saw him at Forest Hills in August of '65 and again in '66 just before his accident and recall not really liking his electric re-dos of "It Ain't Me Babe," "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down," and "One Too Many Mornings" though I liked the electric stuff from Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blond On Blond.

The assessment recently posted about the booing being minimal is accurate. Most hardcore Dylan fans went along with his trip from the start - and most of the rest later caught up.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: ....

Was that "Hair-Piece"or Hair-Peace" written on the wall behind that dead guy? Talk about karma ... I always heard that bad karma was suppose to draw bad karma. Is that true? I guess it was true in at least one case, huh?


Entered at Wed Apr 16 22:45:15 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Oil

Oil is Freedom!

It must be because many people here seem to think that is our real goal. I'm not going to argue that point. Besides, to a point I agree and have no problem with it. Oil is big business for this country and much of the world. Controlling oil makes our world a safer place. Just imagine if our oil supplis were held ransom. That could cripple us in so many ways. It could threaten our cozy way of life - now you wouldn't want that to happen would you? Who knows what could happen if our oil supply was seriously threatened. A crippled economy, a dollar in shambles, a fifteen dollar value meal - I mean its outrageous, let alone the civil disorder that would take place. I can only imagine the extent to which our liberites could be threatened. Could you imagine, if you Eric, could disappear in the middle of the night because of your internet posting rants. Don't laugh - it happens in other countries.

Eric, you should give thanks to oil, for it affords you the opportunity to bitch and moan without repercussion. We should indeed be thankful for Oil. All praise its rich thick blackness! For Oil is what makes us free! Oil is Freedom - so let freedom ring!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Weapons of Mass Instruction

In the words of John Hiatt, the best weapon is perhaps a "Telecaster through a Vibrolux turned up to ten". A perfectly good guitar & amp -- Lock & load, hunker down on the road to Memphis.


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Posted by:

paulg

Location: London Canada
Web: My link

Subject: DAVID 'Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues'

David, I have pretty well figured out 'Crazy Mama'

Any idea where I might get the sheet music or just chords for 'Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues'?

I particularily like the Gordon Lightfoot version. I have the Lyrics but no chords.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

rosalind

...I Have An Idea! Why don't we Americans just blow ouselves up and rid the world of the Great Satan and satisfy all these creme-puff casper milk-toast left-wing hair-piece assholes in this country! After all, we'd be getting exactly what we deserve. Right?


Entered at Wed Apr 16 22:37:41 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Well, I AM rooting for David Cone's comeback...

On the WMD issue, the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty was an agreement among the nuclear powers (U.S., U.S.S.R., Britain, France, and China I think) that they would permit each other nuclear weapons but not allow them to spread to other countries, and signees to the treaty agreed not to develop or obtain them, with the rational that once the nuclear genie is out of the bag, it could never be returned, but having 5 large, stable governments in possession of them would provide some degree of international security against rogue states or 1 or 2 states becoming dominant due to sole possession of them. So there is internation legal basis for U.S. possession of nuclear weapons, at least. In terms of the other crap, if we have them we should destroy them as they cannot and should not ever be used, except to research ways to protect against them.


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Posted by:

Bones

Eric and John W: Don't you two want to go somewhere else to talk politics?

Kay: The whole point of my post was that I believed Levon had the right to quit the group in 1966 just like Robbie did in 1976, and you're right in that I have no idea what really happened. All I have to go by is what is in print (like Levon's book and Band members' interviews). Clearly it is none of my business, but as a fan of both men, I am curious what happened post-1984 in Levon's relationship with Robbie. Levon's book would give you the impression that as soon as he saw how the money was distributed after the Brown album, the relationship was over. However, that does not appear to be the case, for the two of them seem to get along okay through 1984. I'm just interested in what happened.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 22:24:12 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Eric, touche', your last post was very good and less shoot from the hip than the previous one. We are not the only ones permitted to have WMD's, but it sure worries me more when they are in the hands of unstable dictators, rather than responsible democracies. As for the history, you are right the U.S. has acted hypocritically in a lot of cases. That's why it's so important right now to follow through and DON'T turn the whole thing into an oil grab and DON'T just substitute a new pro-U.S. dictator for Saddam. As for the working class Americans, you would think they would be against tax cuts for the rich and for socialized medicine, etc. yet polls consistently show they have rather conservative views (think about Archie Bunker, not a rich man by any means). This is because even though they are not rich, they believe in the possibility that someday their children might be, and they don't want to see their children get rich and then have it all taken away by Uncle Sam... And as a Met fan I wish I could make fun of you Yankee fans but I have to admit we don't look so good so far!


Entered at Wed Apr 16 21:51:31 CEST 2003 from pub26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.140)

Posted by:

Pehr

"War is Peace"

"Ignorance is Strength"

"Freedom is Slavery"



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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: oh, please don't bring color into this

Eric, you're a Yankee fan, so you are at least batting .500. But, the color thing is stretching it. Reverse the logic and the 9/11 terrorists attacked the U.S. because it is white, which would not be accurate, but the same stretching of reality nonetheless. ANd for the last time, Bush one the 2000 election based upon the rules set down by the constitution. That's all that matters. Period. The Electoral College vote. If you don't like that, then petition for a constitutional change (which no one is!), but the whole popular vote argument is rubbish, which, if it truly mattered, then the Democrats would have cleaned up in 2002, but they didn't. Currently, as reported on CNN, Bush leads in a poll of CALIFORNIA voters 45% to 40% over the closest Democratic challenger. So, those are my issues with your post. The other stuff I don't agree with either, but I respect your thoughtful opinions on them. So, how does an honest Yankee fan end up in Fenway-land?


Entered at Wed Apr 16 21:41:30 CEST 2003 from pub26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.140)

Posted by:

Pehr

There is alot of bad karma that comes with being a big arms dealer. Just ask the Winchesters.



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Posted by:

Eric Fergerson

And I am originally from New York, and a die hard Yankees fan. Sorry.


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Posted by:

Eric Fergerson

Well, first of all, John - please tell me why it is okay for us to have nuclear/chemical weapons and not okay for Iraq, etc. There is no reason - the US has not historically been circumspect or responsible with its use of force - look at Nicaragua for a good example, or Vietnam for a much better example. Nor has it been unsupportive of terrorist dictators, namely Saddam himself until he went into Kuwait and threatened the US's market with that oil. The only real reason is this: these people are of color, and they have resources that the US wants. Secondly, I disagree with that definition of "mass destruction" - I think mass destruction can be done just as well by regular old daisy chain or cluster bombs as it can be by chemical or biological weapons, if done on a grand scale. But, if you are sticking with the mainstream definition - no, to our knowledge they were not used in Iraq. However, we have killed many civilians over the course of this massacre, and in the last ten years we have killed 500,000+ Iraqi children with economic sanctions. As for the quotes: http://www.bushnews.com/jews.htm about Israel, and as for the other quote, I have to research it further as it was not online. If it is not the US forces' job to prevent looting, why is it their job to protect the oil? Additionally, the administration promised many people that they would protect the artifacts in the museums. If this was really about liberating Iraqis, wouldn't they at least try to protect them as opposed to protecting the oil? You just skirted the real question by saying it wasn't the US forces' job. Answer me: why is it their job to protect the oil and not the people, if they are really there for the people and not for the oil?? I did not call the Reagan administration an extremist group, I called particular people such as Rumsfeld extremists within the administration. Additionally, these administrations hardly represent the will of the American people when they are elected by 20% or less of the populace, since at LEAST 60% of the adult population is so alienated by the consistenly white, rich, male choices that they are given that they don't even bother to vote. And Bush Jr. was NOT elected by the popular vote. And if you believe that Mr. Cheney no longer has ANYTHING to DO with a company that earned him $36 million dollars in 2000, you are extremely naive. Cheney's 2000 income from Halliburton: $36,086,635 Increase in government contracts while Cheney led Halliburton: 91% Minimum size of "accounting irregularity" that occurred while Cheney was CEO: $100,000,000 (One hundred MILLION dollars) Number of the seven official US "State Sponsors of Terror" that Halliburton contracted with: 2 out of 7 Pages of Energy Plan documents Cheney refused to give congressional investigators: 13,500 Amount energy companies gave the Bush/Cheney presidential campaign: $1,800,000 And what terror attacks have occurred in our country since 9/11 to justify all of these "orange alerts?" Nothing but fear tactics. Favoring health care over tax cuts is NOT the minority opinion. Go to a black neighborhood, if you dare, and ask the average person there how the tax cut on DIVIDENDS benefits them - and ask them again while they are dying of leukemia because they can't get the medications they need. Ask anyone who isn't rich after you've explained it to them - how to cuts on tax dividends benefit people who could never afford stocks in the first place? And in terms of Saddam not complying with the UN, maybe someone should bomb us, since we did the same thing.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: '65-'66 Tour

Wittgenstein: I caught the Atlanta concert on that tour and, as I recall, those booing were in the minority but rather enthusiastic in voicing their displeasure. I was so much older then, but was overjoyed with the electric set, which was unlike any performance I'd witnessed. It wasn't just the loudness, but the sheer display of energy & take no prisoners attitude that got me. Later, I bought the "I Want You" single when it first came out and found myself mesmerized by the B-side, a live version of "Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues", which I later found out was taped in Liverpool. Also, around this time, I was heavily into John Hammond's "So Many Roads" album, enriched by the playing of Robbie, Garth & Levon. I have to admit that many of the Dylan fans I personally knew down here in Georgia didn't share my most favorable opinion of his "new band".


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John W.

John, you are arguing with somebody from a state that re-elects Ted Kennedy every 6 years! So, please give 'em a break. After all, having their beloved Red Sox already 3-1/2 games behind our 11-2 Yankees BEFORE EASTER has gotta hurt enough!


Entered at Wed Apr 16 21:20:07 CEST 2003 from mcha-ai058.taconic.net (205.231.28.58)

Posted by:

Lil

Thanks everyone for the info about the song I asked about. I could've sworn it was a man singing..go figure, hm?

Thanks for the smile Donna. I needed it.

Have a good evening everyone.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Non-Existent Terror Attacks

Hey Numb Nuts - Maybe you'll feel differently when you get your ass blown off! Then again, maybe not.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 20:53:06 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Eric Ferguson - Not to get into an argument about what constitutes weapons of mass destruction, but generally thought of as nukes or chemical agents that kill indiscriminately over a wide area. These were not used in Iraq. The U.S. has done more to prevent civilian casualties than any other force in any other war in history. Furthermore, it is not the U.S. forces job to prevent looting. And I don't know where you are coming up with those religious quotes, I suspect they are dreamed up by some wishful socialist, but even if they are real I would still insist Bush may have his religious beliefs but he has not tried to force them on anyone else. And again you call the Reagan administration an "extremist" group, but he was elected twice by landslides, Bush Sr. was elected once and Bush Jr. was, even though disputed, elected once so how can they be an "extremist" group if the represent the will of the American people. Furthermore Vice President Chaney A) is no longer connected in any way with Haliburton and B) has nothing to do with the awarding of government contracts for rebuilding Iraq, these are given out by the Army Corps of Engineers which has nothing to do with the Vice President. Non-existent terror attacks? Where were you on 9/11? Don't you think the government should work to prevent future attacks? And if you are saying you would prefer universal health care to tax cuts, I respect your opinion, but it definitely the minority opinion at this time. And as for "this massacre" and "putting American soldiers and Iraqi lives on the line", this is not Bush's fault but is the result of Saddam Hussein failing for 12 years to get in line with the U.N. resolutions he agreed to after Gulf War I. I know it is hard to accept that your left wing sympathizing views have been totally discredited, but you better get used to it because that's the way it is.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Witt, the booing and the anger of tour 65-66 was quite real. Whatever the reasons, its pretty obvious from many of the existing boots of those shows. There were some exceptions, notably the Hollywood Bowl.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 20:27:59 CEST 2003 from 172-85-41-216.axsne.net (216.41.85.172)

Posted by:

Eric Fergerson

Location: Massachusetts

Subject: previous Bush post

1. Didn't Bush mass destruct Iraq? There are military guards everywhere in the oil company areas, yet no one is guarding the hospitals or museums from the looters. So, people in the hospitals are dying from lack of supplies and the museums have been completely looted. But the OIL is safe. Similar to Bush the First bombing the hell out of the retreating Iraqi army, leaving no survivors. 2. Bush on visiting Israel "you're all going to hell." Bush on the war: "I'm taking my orders directly from God." 3. He and his cronies come directly from an extremist group in the Reagan administration. Additionally, Cheney's oil company, Halliburton, is getting control over the Iraqi oil. 4. Keeps us in fear over non-existent terror attacks in order to keep us supporting or distracted from his sneaky little rich-person tax cuts. $90 BILLION dollars already spent on this massacre, and we don't have health care for everyone in this country. Shame on you for putting American soldiers and Iraqi lives on the line without even doing the research into this man's background.


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Funk Brothers/Darlene Love/Maxi Priest/Joan Osborne/Bootsy stayed home...

I realized how much fun I had in my youth last night when I M.C.'d a show with the legendary Funk Brothers. You couldn't ask for a nicer group of guys. One Motown hit after another.

Paul G. the legendary Bill Gable was even in attendance.

Darlene Love was worth the price of admission. Between this damn war and SARS here in Toronto.......it was a welcome change.

The next time the feud or money situations of who got what comes up in here.......remember that these guys got $10.00 a session on more #1 hits than The Beatles, Elvis The Rolling Stones etc. Yeah Yeah I know they weren't part of a group. They were employees. But........


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Posted by:

Beck

Location: Astoria, Oregon

Garth, Levon, anybody! Please come play in Oregon. Roseland Ballroom?


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: Something Mr. Viney said, and Mr. Powell too.

Peter Viney: When were you harangued for saying that Pete Seeger was the only decent character in that Wimoweh article to actually send his royalties to the real author in South Africa, Solomon Linda?

Didn't you find the writing a wee bit slanted? By the way, who collects royalties to "Ain't No More Cane"? Surely not the descendents of some poor miserable lifer doing time on a Texas chain gang.

David Powell: When The Hawks backed Dylan he was playing to sold out concert halls. This would have been true regardless of who was backing him. So the guys who would become The Band had gone overnight from playing the bars to the halls. I'd say their future was so bright they had to wear shades, which they did on stage. The folkies who were booing were a small faction at these concerts. People don't pay good money to go boo an artist in most cases. Most fans were prepared to go wherever Dylan would take them. I always thought that the reported booing was overplayed. It wasn't as though the crowd was angry or hostile during that fall 1965 tour. But Dylan was very aloof and impersonal on stage, saying nothing between songs, and contemptuously turning his back to the audience. He was dishing out rock music to ears that were used to acoustic folk-style sounds. There had to be a period of adjustment. Times were definitely a-changing.


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Posted by:

D Z

Location: 3rd Time Probably Not A Charm

Subject: But Anyway

Hey, Stevie coulda replaced Robbie in the Band in my daydream... I wonder what her voice woulda sounded like with Richard...


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Posted by:

DZ Agin

I'm really diggin' the witchy Welch woman this morning along with her faithful sidekick... my fav Midsummer's Night Dream gitarist... Lynsey B... definitely plays like he's got a bee in his bonet... and I lika lika that... Fleetwood Mac's newest... I picked it up at Target last night while on a run for wipes... and white vinegar... Rainy as all heck here... dropped 30 degrees or so too...


Entered at Wed Apr 16 18:19:19 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: 4 non-blondes

Peter, I think what hooked me on that song was the guitar work, with that, how do you describe it, wailing yet not overbearing, loud sound. After 10 years of non-subtle hair-metal, it was like a breath of fresh air: guitar carrying a melody!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: 4 Non Blondes

It is 'What's Up?' from their album 'Bigger, Better, Faster, More!' It was a huge hit all across Europe. I liked the song so much I bought the album. Probably should have bought the single, though.


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Posted by:

First waltz

Location: New England

Subject: 4 Non Blondes

I'm relatively certain that the lead singer of that song also wrote Pinks Hit "get this party started"


Entered at Wed Apr 16 16:52:24 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Subject: Richard St. Catherine - The Village Voice

Richard from St. Catherines - So now you come right out and call President Bush a terrorist. Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, just to rebut a couple of your statements. 1) Of course he has "access" to weapons of mass destruction, as would any U.S. President. But I have not seen them use chemical or nuclear weapons in the Middle East. The bombings were, to the most possible extent, done to military and strategic targets and they bent over backwards to try and avoid civilian casualties. 2) He is perhaps a deeply faithful man but I would not use the term "religious zealot". I have not seen Bush attempt to take away anyone's freedom of religion or enforce his religious views on others or eliminate separation of church and state, which is what "religious zealots" do. 3) Extremist Group? Well, his ratings are pretty high, showing approval from the vast majority of Americans and other elected officials. So if you want to call the general population of the United States and "extremist group", OK. 4) Wants to take away our freedoms? Again, we have the Susan Saran-wraps and Dixie Twits of the world, as well as the Village Voice, calling him every name in the book. Not one of them has been silenced or jailed, so where is the loss of freedom??? As for using fear, blackmail and violence to acheive his goals, and whether he's a threat to our economy, allies, and international peace, well this is a matter of opinion and it depends how you look at it so I can't argue for or against. But as for the first three points, scurrilous lies that the Voice should be ashamed of as they continue publishing these lies week after week.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: 4-Non-Blondes

Song came out in '92/'93 I believe. I should have remembered that one. They were an all-girl butch band. The song and band were a huge hit at the time, and especially big with the girlie-grrrrrl crowd. Me and a buddy saw them live at Toad's Place in New Haven at their peek; it wasn't a bad show and they had potential but never followed up.


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Lil: I can be wrong about this, but the song you were asking about is called "What's Going On". The song was released, I believe for world peace, during the late 80's? I am not sure of the artist either. Although, Three None Blondes come to mind??? I am sure it is a man singing this song, in a high pitched voice, "and I cry and I cry, what's going on".

Sheesh, that reminded me of two teen-aged girls who saw a freaky dude, decided they had no social life, they ended up searching for coffee filters in funky town, but only heard screams for ice cream! :)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Lil = it is a female singing the lead vocal.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Lil = I think it my be by a band called "Four Non-Blondes" (or 4 Non Blondes). It was a bit of a hit a few years back. I don't think the title is "What's Going On" though. It's called "What's Up", or something like that.

Catchy tune though. I liked it when it was out.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey Rollie, they opened for Levon at the Cabooze when Mpls was so fortunate to have the BBs in town... and the lead singer changed the lyrics to one of the fast moving numbers to say sumpin' to the effect that he was sooo excited to have just shook Levon's hand backstage... They are diseveled fun at its best... and even bring an old washboard... along with nice vocals...


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Posted by:

rosalind

I'm in the middle of watching "Cinderfella" on AMC this morning and I just noticed that one of Fella's wicked step-brothers is named "Rupert". Just goes to show ya, everything comes from some place else.


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Posted by:

Lil

Can anyone tell me who does the tune I've been hearing alot of lately.. it may be called "What's going on" (_not_ the Marvin Gaye tune)..but I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if it's a man or a woman singing it... I think it may be a man in a falsetto. It's an older tune I believe, that for some reason has been brought back into heavy airplay here. If anyone can help.. thanks. (2 lines as a help would be "I scream from the top of my lungs what's goin on", and "I pray, oh my god, do I pray"...)


Entered at Wed Apr 16 10:16:12 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: J Tull Fan

Thanks for your recomendation for Tull music, I was away from my comput all weekend and by the time this week rolled around had forgot I asked you for your advice..thanks again, and I will definately look into your suggestions...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Books ...

"tiny MONSTER....(Btw...Hope you're the friendly type.....like the monsters Maurice Sendak illustrates in his books)...." ...

... I try brown eyed girl but, well, you can't make everybody happy ... Somebody said that ...

Thanks for the suggestions. I used to read quite a lot but in the past three four years, I too have been too busy to take the time, so I'm a little out of touch with Publishers Weekly, so to speak. I just decided to turn the TV off and open a book.

Band connection? ...
UM ... I got it from you ... here ...

~ ; ^ ) -


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Posted by:

ROLLIE

Subject: fRONT PORCH SWINGIN LIQUOR PIGS

Be sure to check out the newsletter in the afore mentioned website. Here's an excerpt........PIGS' RECORD SALES EXPLODE Prior Lake, MN. The Front Porch Swingin' Liquor Pigs freshman release, "Forget Your Truffles and Dance!" has experienced a sales explosion, rumored to have launched the totals into the double digits. Randy Webb, the group's reluctant spokesperson, confirmed that he personally has sold over a dozen of the little gems. "Counting CD's traded for beers and cheeseburgers, the number may be as high as 18 or 19," Webb recently recounted, his voice quivering with pride and humility.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: the cutting edge of music........

Screw Saddam, screw George, hell just screw em all!!! If you wanna see god or allah, or whoever,check out the link. This is where music is going(at least in Minneapolis)


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Diehard Ultra-Liberals

Well, I guess you can't.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Baby Let MeFollow You Down

It was done by Dylan who heard it from Eric Von Schmidt. It's a traditional song

Intro: G . . . |F . . . |C/g . . . |Eb/g . . . | G/b . D/a . |C/e . D/f# . |C/g . D/f# . |G . . .

I first heard this from Ric von Schmidt. He lives in Cambridge. Ric is a blues guitar player. I met him one day in the green pastures of Harvard University.

G F C/g Eb/g

Baby let me follow you down, baby let me follow you down

G/b D/a C/e D/f#

Well I'll do anything in this godalmighty world

C/g D/f# G

If you just let me follow you down.

Can I come home with you, baby can I come home with you?
Yes I'll do anything in this godalmighty world
If you just let me come home with you.
Baby let me follow you down, baby let me follow you down
Well I'll do anything in this godalmighty world
If you just let me follow you down.

Yes I'll do anything in this godalmighty world
If you just let me follow you down.

Additional verses (from Witmark demo): I'll buy you a diamond ring, I'll buy you a wedding gown
Yes I'll do anything in this godalmighty world
If you just let me follow you down.
I just want you to understand, baby please understand,
Well I'll do anything in this godalmighty world
if you just let me be your man.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 06:07:11 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.207)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: Another Monument Falls / A Safer World?

“Hello? Office of Homeland Security? I’d like to report a terrorist! Yes, he has access to weapons of mass destruction and he’s willing to use them. Yes, he’s a religious zealot. Yes, he’s working within an extremist group. Yes, he operates by using fear, blackmail and violence to achieve his goals. Yes, he wants to take away our freedoms. Yes, he’s a threat to our economy, out allies, and to international peace…”


Entered at Wed Apr 16 04:17:00 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Jeff

Web: My link

Hey, i have a question. I was wondering about a song on the last waltz, "baby let me follow you down." Is that by Dylan or the Band. Also, if anyone has the tab please send it to me because I'm tone deaf. dudedudejeff3@hotmail.com Thanks


Entered at Wed Apr 16 03:41:41 CEST 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Time Will Tell

I thought the Black Crowes did a terrific cover of Marley's "Time Will Tell" on The Southern Harmony & Musical Companion. I've got a boot of the Crowes taking on Dylan's "Oh Sister" and our guy's "Jemima Surrender". Good rock and roll band.


Entered at Wed Apr 16 02:32:48 CEST 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612725.sympatico.ca (65.93.193.92)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

"Time alone, Oh! Time will tell
Think you're in heaven
But you're living in hell."

Bob Marley...Apparently this song had its origins in the 1976....assasination attempt of Bob....

Rita Marley: "Bob could still show love for the guys that did the shooting. But he wanted to get the people who set them up"....

tiny MONSTER....(Btw...Hope you're the friendly type.....like the monsters Maurice Sendak illustrates in his books)....I'm an avid reader....but my work doesn't allow a lot of free time so it takes awhile to finish a book....Here are a few I've started and hope to finish by the end of the summer...............

Rebel Heart...Bebe Buell
The Hawk...Ian Wallis
The Clash...Marcus Gray
Shakey (Neil Young)...Jimmy McDonough......

Btw....Dylan is still in the lead....I have 23 books on him alone.....few are photography.....Guess who's second?....Clue....He still has great locks.....nooo...not dreadlocks....lol....Although I do have 5 books on Rasta Mon Bob Marley.....

Books I've bought but haven't started.....

Otis!...Scott Freeman
Can You FEEL the Silence? Van Morrison...Clinton Heylin

Btw2....Recently found a Beatles boot...."Suicide"....Anyone know anything about it?


Entered at Wed Apr 16 02:22:21 CEST 2003 from 66-7-242-114.cust.telepacific.net (66.7.242.114)

Posted by:

Charlie Hawker

Location: Oakland, Ca
Web: My link

Subject: The Moonshine Matinee

Hello. I hope that if any of your are in Modesto, California on Friday that you can stop by "The Mustang" bar to hear our band play. We are called "The Moonshine Matinee" and in case you couldn't tell we are pretty heavily influenced by some people you all know and love. That being said we aren't a rippoff or a cover band. We are all in our twenties and writing original songs but we do owe a big tip of the hat to The Band which we do so gladly. Anyway please visit our website if you have a chance:

www.angelfire.com/moon/shine_matinee

We don't have any song samples on the website yet but will soon and we will be playing in the San Francisco bay area often (we just had our first show on April 1st at the Hotel Utah). Anyway not many people just happen to be in Modesto but if you are please stop by and see our band we'd really appreciate it. And if any of you see Levon or Garth please tell them that their music is inspiring a whole lot of us maybe more than they know... and if they ever are out here and want to jam our house is their house (ok, that's probably not going to happen but you never know right??)

Thanks a lot! See you soon!!


Entered at Wed Apr 16 00:42:44 CEST 2003 from 1cust185.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.185)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: A Safer World / The Feud

Can't you diehard ultra-liberals stop your infantile ad hominem attacks on the President and simply admit what is self-evident - that the world is now a lot safer from terrorism and that the Iraqi people are a lot better off without Saddam Hussein, his creepy sons, and their palaces and fancy car collections?

Now back to the music!!

I agree that Levon's bitterness toward Robbie is not going to subside at this late date.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 23:57:07 CEST 2003 from hvc-24-161-21-18.hvc.rr.com (24.161.21.18)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: PB, NY

Subject: PV

Peter- DON'T DO IT! Shooting yourself is kind of like giving in. You've got to fight back, man! Challenge these bastards to a duel (BTW, I just got home and I haven't had time to read the posts, who are you fighting?) Fight them in the air, fight them at sea, fight them all the way back to your library, if you have to.

Then again, it's a nice day and the daffodils are coming out. Think I'll go for a walk and look for signs of spring. Then come home and listen to some Band music, maybe "Jericho" which I think is their most underrated album. If you do get in a duel, Peter....(in the words of Martin Scorcese) "take the duck."


Entered at Tue Apr 15 23:29:52 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-161.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.161)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Quote / Wimoweh

Rick Danko: I called Levon and said, Levon we’re gonna get ready to record. They’re giving us a couple of hundred thousand dollars and we’d like to share. He said, I’ll be on the next plane.
Yes, genuine commitment without financial incentive is always touching. BUT on the other hand the DVD-Audio has the wrong (live version) lyrics for The Weight as well as this sleeve note. And an inexplicable photo of the tape box for Key to The Highway, which is not on the DVD-Audio.

The Wimoweh article says things about Pete Seeger I was harangued for – read it. Very funny.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 23:24:42 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: I don't like to do this but ...

Levon and Robbie, according to Levon's book, had a conversation where Levon said something to the effect of Well hell, if you want to leave the group just leave and let us go on without you! Robbie replied "We can stop it." If that happened the way Levon said it did, Robbie deserved a little knockin' around. Tit for Tat man.

Several years back in 82 there was Musician Magazine article where a bottom of a page was filled up with Rick's words, He said in reference to the Band "It became like eating dinner with your parents everynight." I remember taking that for what it was worth and being almost literally knocked across the floor November 1st 1993.

Who knows what really went on and who the hell really cares any more. We ain't gonna know and maybe we don't want to know, and besides, it's none of our business. Personally, I feel we should never have known in the first place. It wrecked the mystique, the intensity subsided for me, the satisfaction Watered__Down, the myth, scarred beyond recognition. Money - leader bullshit - Who_Gets This - Who_Gets_That. If I wanted nothing more than crap like that, I coulda respected the bastard who sold cocaine on the corner.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 22:41:01 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-161.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.161)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: From the Mighty Jungle (with scarf)

Wimoweh- still absorbing this fascinating link. Great stuff.

OK, on fashion police – an old and dear friend who saw this very photo also accused me of wearing a cravat, to my chagrin. Hey, we all make mistakes. It is a tastefully knotted 1969 vintage Moroccan silk scarf in fact, and was indeed tucked in. No excuses – sartorially inexcusable. But even so, it was taken on a film location. It was a hot day in the woods around Bristol with mosquitos around, and it was a DEET soaked scarf protecting my tender neck from the sun and the insects. But I have had the piss taken out of it before (from someone whose opinion I valued), so I will simply do the decent British thing and shoot myself. I have deemed myself a sartorial disaster – but, hey, I didn’t have wide lapels at least. I can’t help looking scholarly, it just comes with the territory and receding hairlines (shit, let’s be honest, near baldness) helps. but Yo, I’m writing you down as a Bush-defending wide lapel wearer. Am I right?


Entered at Tue Apr 15 22:33:00 CEST 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: amateur psychotherapy

It amazes me that anyone here thinks we have the capacity to understand what's between Levon and RR. These 60-yr-old men met when they were teenagers and played and traveled together for decades. They have acquaintances, friends and enemies in common. Many, many things have been said, suggested, implied and otherwise communicated between them that none of us, including Butch and others who know one of them well, will ever know. What's in Levon's book can only scratch at the surface of all that.

Some folks seem to want to treat Levon like a foolish child who needs to have the likes of us point out the errors of his ways. Levon is quite capable of forming his own opinions about people he knows alot better than we do. He's made it clear that he doesn't like RR, doesn't want to hang out with him and doesn't want to play music with him anymore. How and when that happened and whether he's justified in his feelings is something none of us is capable of judging. Treat the man like you would any other adult and let him form his own opinions. The fact that it's hard for some of us to understand means nothing. Intelligent people recognize the limits of their understanding.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 22:13:25 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ed, they got you too?

I think I am about to send a check for this war...It's up to you as you have my email. I don't think I am going to change any minds out here who disagree with me. Time will tell...time will tell.....uh...ummmm...'and time will tell, just who has fell, and who's been left behind...!' a Dylan link! You know, I'd be glad to be proven wrong about everything if it meant we don't have any more 9/11's, Taliban, Saddam's, etc. etc.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 21:44:27 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: JTullFan

The "...some theoretical like getting a few more Bin Laden wannabes angry" is the fundamental underpinning for the preemptive war. According to Bushron, the war is necessary to prevent terrorists+WMD from attacking the U.S. According to you, the war is unnecessary because the Islamic militants are not really a threat to the U.S.(I agree--9/11 itself was an Eagle Scout operation that was fully predictable and fully preventable). However, again according to you, "our best interests" justified a preemptive war. If you care to, spell out those "best interests" here or off the GB. It may take me awhile to respond since I'm still figuring out how to send as little $ as possible to the War Chest.

edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Tue Apr 15 21:44:33 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

I agree with David Powell that Levon's departure from the Hawks and Dylan in 1966 must have been uneasy for group members, but I also believe that Levon has the right to live his life as he sees fit. The group members obviously forgave him , for they called him back as soon as they got a contract.

Robbie, like Levon, also had the right to quit touring with the group in 1976. Levon was the only one who resented Robbie for this move, a grudge he holds to this day, and I think it is unfortunate for the legacy of the Band. However, my point lately about all this mess is that Levon did not appear to hold a grudge in the beginning. Robbie played on the RCO record, and Levon still treated him with respect in interviews through 1984.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 20:50:56 CEST 2003 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.198)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: More Pig

David Powell's post reminds me that the thousands of sessions Pig Robbins has played included sessions for "Blonde on Blonde." And, to tie off to another thread, Pig also played a session with Dale Hawkins. The source for this last is the amazing Hawkins sessionography at the link, where you'll find Dale's colleagues like James Burton, Roy Buchanan, D.J. Fontana, Scotty Moore, Fred Carter, Ry Cooder, Wille Dixon, Henry Glover. All of which might help to explain why Ronnie Hawkins was so driven to find the best musicians in his (adopted) neck of the woods.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 20:34:44 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

The Fairy God Mother

Subject: I just checked my calendar ...ahhh

Well I do have a couple of openings but ... well, frankly I would find it much simpler turning a pumpkin into a carriage .. And I'll Even Throw Ya In A Pair of Neat Lookin' Glass Slippers! Deal?


Entered at Tue Apr 15 20:32:23 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ed,

I'm an optimist and believe maintaining the offensive keeps the other guys on the defensive. We have to set the agenda. Will they strike again? Maybe. Probably not as effectively or as often though. 9/11 was the effective 'start' to this, and I cannot justify not acting in our best interests because of some theoretical like getting a few more Bin Laden wannabes angry. Oh well, that's life. Better to be feared than loved.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 20:06:39 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: JT Tull's short term vision; "School For Fools" in Chicago's Crow Nest

JTullFran: The 9/11 guys are looking down at you, saying, "I wonder if that JTullFan loser infidel will ever see the long term consequences of the US preemtive crusade against the Islamic world. He speaks as if this period is over, when it's really the beginning of the end of the beginning." You see, they're Robertsonians at heart...and they have many wives, too.

Your welcome, Jeff, Levon and Larry for my tip about getting "School For Fools" into The Crow's Nest at State and Jackson in Chicago. This morning I saw SFF prominently displayed in the "Best Seller's" rack just as you walk in on the left. Levon was smiling right at me. So, does this excellent placement idea get me a cymbal part on your next CD?


Entered at Tue Apr 15 20:04:00 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

The Fairy God Mother

You've got to be kidding.

We know Levon ain't Gabriel ... Garth is.

roz


Entered at Tue Apr 15 19:51:10 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: David Powell

I agree totally that Levon didn't like the music. And I sympathize with his situation. I just point this out so that people remember that EVERYBODY made some mistakes when The Band was together. This doesn't mean that Robbie was completely right in what he did; it just means that he isn't the Anti-Christ and Levon isn't the Angel Gabriel. And I think that if the past was left in the past, and they could sit down and talk civilly to each other for an hour, that they would both be sorry the way things turned out, and maybe, just maybe, they could patch up their differences and make music again.

Take care and be well


Entered at Tue Apr 15 19:21:31 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Levon' departure

Levon's departure from the Dylan tour certainly had to have been an uncomfortable situation for all involved. The details of the circumstances seem to be sketchy, even to this day, except for what Robbie & Levon have revealed. Besides the constant booing from the audience, there was an underlying factor that Levon, at the time, was coming from a different perspective of music than where Dylan was headed. There is some evidence that Dylan, himself, wasn't sure about what he was looking for, since he chose to record "Blonde On Blonde" with other outside musicians.

When Levon left, he was leaving Dylan's concept of music, not that of the Hawks. I'm sure the other members implicitly understood this. At the same time, it must have surely been difficult for them to deal with the situation, having played with Levon for so long and suddenly having to deal with what must have been an uncertain future on the road with Dylan.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 18:58:52 CEST 2003 from (206.191.84.251)

Posted by:

Yo...otra vez

Location: Tierra del Fuego
Web: My link

Subject: Bush's wardrobe.

J Tull guy...check Tues April 15, 04:07. You're a loser.

My previous post was NOT to defend Bush's wide lapels. I could care less what the cowboy wears. I still believe the guy's a liar, a drunk, a thief, a jailbird, an uneducated spoiled brat who never got elected by the people, just salvaging his rich daddy's sorry ass. Now his mentors are thinking "..Where do we go from here?" ( See, there's a Band connection) Syria, Iran, North Korea...? Cuz Dubya can't think things through for himself. But he knows he's got "nucular" power.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 18:21:17 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Yo!

Hey, I win so few contests out here...but I never saw your post, and sometimes I see responses to posts I cannot find, so do posts sometimes just 'drop off' the GB?


Entered at Tue Apr 15 18:08:15 CEST 2003 from (206.191.84.251)

Posted by:

Yo

S....entered the correct answer to Paul G's question re: "Susie Q" 10 hours before that J Tull guy, who just copied the answer. He deserves nada.

Is Viney the fashion police here? He's not qualified. Not only does he wear the same jacket for weeks on end, that scarf (cravat) wrapped around his neck and tucked into the shirt went out of style when Moby Dick was still a minnow. But it's only an attempt at planned neglect, and to look scholarly.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 17:37:34 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: David Powell

I am having too many senior moments.

You are absolutely correct. Levon told only Robbie he was leaving and headed south the next morning. It did come as a brief shock to the other members of the band, but they knew Levon was unhappy. But what does that say about Levon's word? He commited himself to go on tour and then bailed in the middle of it, with 12 hours notice. There were still concert dates to played and contractual obligations to meet. Everyone was getting booed, but the rest of The Band toughed it out. I appears to me that Levon left his bandmates high and dry. And though he could not show loyalty to them, they gave him the opportunity of a lifetime by showing loyalty to him and asking him to come back.

Take care and be well


Entered at Tue Apr 15 17:37:13 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-229-174.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.229.174)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Levon's departure

DP, in regards to departing the 65-66 Dylan tour, didn't Levon give an account of calling RR one morning and simply saying goodbye then asking RR to convey his farewell to everyone else? Is there any accounts of Levon actually notifying Dylan's people?

Tomorrow, "A Mighty Wind" begins a theatrical run. If you liked Spinal Tap, Waiting for Guffman, or Best In Show, you will love this spoof of folk music by the same gang. The website is really funny.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 17:27:39 CEST 2003 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.198)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: The Lion Sleeps at Calvary

There was some brief commentary here a couple of days ago about The Tokens's "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." This tune has a fascinating history; I imagine Peter Viney, as a huge Seeger fan, is aware of this. "My link" is to a long, detailed and mostly well-written account.

Following recent discussions of Richard Thompson, I played my only R'n'LT disc, quite a good comp with the well-chosen title "The End of the Rainbow." It struck me for the first time that "Calvary Cross" is quite Band-like in its quasi-religious-mysterioso narrative, dynamics, and the attention-getting thump of Dave Mattacks's drum accents. The Band wasn't much given to guitar solos, but the long intro would be a natural for Garth (on Lowrey, not Strat).


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:49:27 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

In his trivia question Paul Godfrey brought up Dale Hawkins. Recently I picked up German LP reissues of two of his albums, "Oh! Suzy-Q" (Chess 1429 c.1958) and "My Babe" (Argo 1450 c.1959?). There's a lot of great songs on these LPs and after listening to both I noticed that Dale's singing sounds similar to his cousin's, Ronnie, or vice versa I guess. I also noticed variations in the spelling of Dale's signature song; seems they didn't know whether to use Suzie or Suzy, so they used both.

Although James Burton played on many of Dale Hawkins' recordings, including "Suzie-Q", Roy Buchanan was a mainstay in his band for several years, and also appears on many recordings. Both of these great Telecaster masters were teenagers at the time, beginning their distinguished careers. Several years later, Mr. Buchanan would briefly play with Ronnie Hawkins after Fred Carter, Jr. left, and after Mr. Buchanan's departure, Robbie Robertson took over the role of guitarist in the Hawks. Both of the Hawkins cousins sure had a knack for finding the best musicians. On the two Dale Hawkins LPs I picked up, Scotty Moore and Kenny Paulsen also appear on various songs, along with several other outstanding musicians.

On another note, regarding Fallen Angel's previous post -- Levon did not leave the '66 tour "without a word", he announced his intentions prior to his departure.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:39:21 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Hank

Not to pick apart your post,but in reflecting upon it, if I looked at things from the perspective of Al Queda and the 9/11 terrorists, I would have to wonder if it was all worth it, given what's happened with that military-industrial complex since then. I am not DEFENDING the system per se, mind you, I'm just saying that the 9/11 terrorists, if they could see the long-term results of their actions, may reach the conclusion that the short term results were not worth the long term ramifications to their cause.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:34:45 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Use the Difficulty

It's interesting to be completely out of your fucking mind and dead cold straight between the eyes stone sober at the same time.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:28:34 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-251.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.251)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jeep

SADavid - thanks for the link. It's not a Levi Jeep- the writing was elaborate and cursive in chrome, and the two words connected. Nothing like a Jeep logo in fact. Will have to keep watching Sky to see if it appears again, though today is the first day since it started that I've managed to avoid watching either Sky / BBC 24 (I usually switch as they both repeat stuff so much).


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:23:17 CEST 2003 from dialup-0707.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.146.195)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Twilight

Thanks for the tip about Stan Hale, Put'emup, Jeff.......I 'll keep the antennae up for him

Everyone keeps talking about the war being over.....it's far from over, folks......

Many youngsters will be called to serve their country yet...many oldsters will be needed to guard their homes.......

Are you all up for it?

The Military-Industrial-Entertainment Complex has succeeded in making war fashionable again...and all they had to do was attack Wall Street.....

All Hail Global America!.

May You All Be Safe From Terrorists and Warmongers....

Wherever You Are.........

Unlike those folks in The WTC.........

Oh, by the way....I hope I'm wrong about all this.......

Really...


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:10:43 CEST 2003 from 168-103-147-163.interprise.net (168.103.147.163)

Posted by:

tony

Location: chicago

Subject: shangri-la

I was just wondering, can anyone tell me whatever happened to The Band's "clubhouse", Shangri-La? Was thinking about that great scene in TLW when Rick is sitting with Scorcese and he pulls his hat down while "Sip the Wine" starts playing- always seems kinda sad to me, you know, the future's ominously looming.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:09:43 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Oh Brother

First it was the medicine phase - Now get ready for the Jesus phase.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 16:08:49 CEST 2003 from pd9eb5dc3.dip.t-dialin.net (217.235.93.195)

Posted by:

vergleich private krankenversicherung

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Hello! I surf and find this fantastic homepage! Greetings from Germany


Entered at Tue Apr 15 15:22:29 CEST 2003 from syr-66-67-68-0.twcny.rr.com (66.67.68.0)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: sorry, nothing Band -related

Hey Tiny Monster-I have only read two "Oprah" books, and Mulvaneys, unfortunately, was one of them(I heard somewhere, recently, that Oates is going back and updating some of her earlier novels-making them more pc, what crap).I had better luck with The Poisonwood Bible, I can't recall the authors name, but I very highly recommend this book. I haven't had much time for pleasure reading lately, I've been immersed in Tennessee Williams for an English class I've been taking. I'm on page 4 of a 10page paper which is due very soon. As soon as this semester is out of the way I want to sit down with that new, well, not new but that latest Grateful Dead tome Long Strange Trip. Second on my list is The Culture of Fear by Barry Glassner, a 1999 study of the state of fear&anxiety that vast military/industrial/entertainment complex would foster in us.Anyone familiar with this? I have been promising a friend of mine for months to read it. For the record, that museum looting makes me feel, literally, physically sick.The destruction of those buddhist statues a couple years ago and the torching of the oil wells in the 1st gulf war gave me that reaction, too. I despise that kind of waste and wanton destruction. Thousands of lives are being lost, and people in Iraq(as well as many other countries) have been systematically tortured and terrorized, I know, and I tell myself I should be more concerned with that. I have recently been having a several week long discussion with my wife about human nature, I don't have much faith in it. Now, back to Mendacity: The Theme of TW's Life, and the Theme of Cat On A Hot Tin Roof.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 15:04:21 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

sadavid - Almost everything I say here is Band-related in some obscure way ... thanks for catching it.

Daniel Daniel and the Sacred Harp
Dancin' thru the clover ...
Daniel Daniel would you mind
If I looked it over .....

Daniel means "God Be my Judge" in Hebrew. That, for me always explained the internal meaning of the song..


Entered at Tue Apr 15 15:01:50 CEST 2003 from ppp370.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.54)

Posted by:

paul godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: Suzy Q

S....you are absolutely correct & J. Tull Fan...you can now sit at the front of the class. shineonpaulg

Ronnie did the song & dedicated it to Dale about two years ago while performing at the Sarnia Ontario Slots.


Entered at Tue Apr 15 14:32:22 CEST 2003 from gpf-t197.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.197)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Jeeps, Pigs

Hussein's car may have been a "Levi's" Jeep - the same way, I suppose, that there is, or was a "Eddie Bauer" Ford Explorer, and, for all I know, an Armani Lexus. Might have been called the "Levi Strauss Commemorative Edition" Jeep. There are probably better examples, but the first one I found is at the link.

Rosalind's quote on Saturday of the dialogue from "Nashville" ("When I ask for Pig, I want Pig! Now you get me Pig and we'll be ready to record this here tune!") reminded me how surprised I was to discover recently that Charlie Rich didn't play the piano on his monster hit "Behind Closed Doors." Y'all will remember the tune from 1973, even if you (like I) would usually rather not. The piano player was one Hargus Melvin "Pig" Robbins. Now there are two hard Nashville piano players I can name. You can hear hints of the same sound in places with Garth's playing - bits of "The Weight," for one, I think.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Since when does "hurt" or "unhappy" equal "inner ugliness"?

There is going to come a time in everyone's life when the pretty colors we have spent our lives slopping on that ugly black and white reality are going to wash off right in front of our newly un-blinded eyes and guess what's going to be underneath? That's Right! The same ugly realistic black and white picture. The only thing anybody ever learns in this world usually comes at the very end of our lives. That there were two ways to go and we went the wrong way.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: P. Godfrey's trivia quiz

Suzie Q. was written by Dale Hawkins, cousin of Ronnie. OK: What did I win? What did I win? ALso, I forget who suggested April 1865 on the History channel last night, but thank-you. It sure beat the design experts on HGTV!


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Rosalind et al

Rosalind, It is very sad to read your posts. You take delight in bating people and stirring up trouble. If there is not arguement going you will say something inflammitory to start one. You must be very unhappy and hurt inside. I wish there was something I could do to end your suffering, but I lack the knowledge and the skill to deal with such inner ugliness. Now I know why people were so disturbed when I started posting and thought I was you.

Whether you are a fan of Robbie Robertson or a fan of Levon Helm you first became a fan of The Band. Instead of arguing over who did what to whom 27 years ago, wouldn't it be better to use the energy to find some common ground that could bring these two back together? The Band will never be The Band again, but there is still good music to be made.

Perhaps Robbie did take too much credit for the songwriting, but Levon bailed on the band in the middle of the 1966 tour without a word to the other members. They were commited to concert dates and had to scramble to find a replacement quick. His actions could not only have ruined the careers of The Band, he could have done irrepairable damage to Bob Dylan's career as well.

When the band reformed in the 80's Levon, according to his autobiography, told the other members not to call Robbie Robertson. Well what would have happened to Levon if Robbie had said the same thing after they moved to Woodstock? Would Levon have gone the way of Pete Best? If he had, The Band would never have been the group they became, but if Robbie Robertson had not been in The Band would Bob Dylan have asked them to tour with him as his backup band? Would they have gotten a recording contract without Robbie's hussle, making connections and trying to make the leap from a bar band to a legitimate musical presence?

I don't know the answer to these questions, I only know that 27 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, how much longer do you cut your nose off to spite your face. There is enough blame to go around. Forget about blame, anger and resentment do nothing to the object of those emotions, they just slowly eat the person who has them.

Take care and be well

P.S. Y'all don't know how hard it was to write this without my siganture dots...but if it makes one person give up supporting "the grudge" it was worth it.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Big Pink DVD

I took time out to check at least The Weight on the DVD-Audio. First out, this is one of the clunkiest DVDs as far as navigation goes I’ve seen. Very badly programmed. It starts straight out playing, the menu access button doesn’t work and you can only find the menu by going all the way through to the end. Then you have to switch it to DTS from Dolby 5.1 whenever you put it in. The hi-fi news is that DTS makes a major difference to Rick Danko fans – the bass guitar is tauter and clearer on DTS. Will check the whole at leisure later.


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Posted by:

rosalind

If I were racist wouldn't I out and out deny that our Black people have been repressed and slaughtered like anti-Semites deny the holocaust?

Al Edge - Don't think your post from yesterday for your dad went un-reflected upon ...


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Fashion

Mr Bush was wearing the light blue jacket with the wide lapels Saturday and Sunday at least. I couldn't see his shoes or I would have judged him by them, but reports at Belfast airport a few days earlier made much of the fact that he'd packed his cowboy boots for the conference, which could only have been from a Presidential press release, so he seemingly wanted to be judged by his shoes. I don't know how many days people wear suits in England as I no longer have one that fits. And anyway it had wide lapels, so old was it (1980, I think). BTW, I'm not a fashion fascist, just in the mood for a little levity when I posted it!


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Fashion

Peter V - at least he does not wear the same suit every day for a week as is common in England! "Please don't judge me by my shoes"- There I made it BAND related!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: All different things …

Because I post around 9 a.m. UK time when there’s been little or no traffic for a few hours, and a lot has happened in the previous 12 hours, I find myself increasingly replying to a small list of points!

John W: Many thanks – the Houston Knights explanation is plausible. My wife thought she’d read the same thing on the car. Interesting. If Levon is a misspelling of Lavon, you’d guess that the character was conciously named. The show may have got to the UK, but not in prime time, I’d guess. The other cars in the shot of Uday’s garage were genuine classics, though of course tending more to the tasteless Rolls / Bentley end than the tasteful Corvette / XK140 end.

The postman just brought the Big Pink DVD-Audio, which I see is DTS as well. I have a busy morning. So do I race to put on The Weight? Or do I wait till late afternoon and listen through? This dilemma will be resolved soon.

Morning, Ben. In the world of BP, I don’t know if I’m classed as a mean ugly bigot or an indulgent “good” person. I hope it’s the latter. I can’t remember the details of the Harry Belafonte debate either, while I can recall his magnificent duet with Jennifer Warnes on “Skin to Skin” word for word and note for note. You see if you eschew politics, your memory banks can be devoted to the positive.

Ed- I think Joey Dee’s ‘Live at The Peppermint Lounge’ is the best document there is of what live music sounded like in that era. If I could put 100 CDs in a time capsule to descibe the years of rock, it would be one of them. It wouldn’t be one of the greatest 100 CDs, but it’s of historical importance – on which thanks for the corrected quote to Fred. Just realized, nowadays you wouldn’t put 100 CDs in a time capsule. You’d put an IPod. The 20 GB would give you … what is it? 800?


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: The Band covered by Gourds; Joey Dee and Peter V.

Fred, gourd for you! Last week dem boyz covered Up On Cripple Creek in Asheville NC and TNTDODD in Altanta GA (both in a medley with Gin 'n Juice). These are firsts and historical moments. UOCC was taped, TNTDODD was not (grrrrrrrr).

Peter Viney, I noted your mention of Joey Dee. "Live At The Peppermint Lounge" was the first album I ever purchased with my own money (Dion's "Runaround Sue", the second). Btw, Joey Dee and the Starlighters (sp.?)was one of the first, if not the first, racially mixed race rock & roll group. edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Calvin, in the world of PV, Roz may go where Harry Belafonte must fear to tread! It's the way racism has always worked, in the south or anywhere: a small group of mean, ugly bigots are indulged by the "good" people. Same as it ever was....

Basmanlee, as you show minor signs of coming out of your deep, sad slumber, as people are now losing their jobs, and events are cancled for the mildest scolding of Bush, you might remember how things were during the "he had it coming" President..."This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's HIS problem"...Senator Richard Lugar, May 99." Ah, that liberal bias in our media...

Vauge Band Link: For fans of "Country Things" there is a book of Earl "The Waltons" Hammer's Twilight Zone Scripts out. These were not nessesarly the BEST Twilight Zones, but they all had an old timey feel and positive country charactors, in one case played by James Best, who would jam with the Dillards on "The Andy Griffin Show." Or maybe that was a diferent episode. In anycase, he was on "The Dukes Of Hazzard" too.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Dave Z...Thanks for the info on Sumlin, I have other plans earlier in the evening but I'm gonna try like heck to get over there...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Near a City Called Baltimore
Web: My link

Subject: Diamond in the Raw?

"A puckish centerfold of crooner Neil Diamond..." That's what's mentioned as one of the high points of an edgy new Jewish magazine called "Heeb." Check the link for more...


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: A Topless Green Jeep in Chaska

In my humble opinion Peter V, it couldn't have been a Levon Jeep... Yellow?... Now if it was Barnburning Red... or Memphis Blue... well then maybe... boy, it's cool just imagining what kinda punch Levon could deck him with...

Anyway... OH MY GOD... Hubert Sumlin is coming to Mpls this Sat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry, Pete R, various other Daves... he's gonna be playing with the Butanes at Famous Dave's BBQ in Uptown... show starts at 9... doors open at 8... barkeep said get there at 7.... I'm gonna bring my little 4 1/2 year old gitar player... Yes!!!!

80 in MN has actually been very good today... besides finding out about Hubert... I got the latest Pacheco CD in the mail today... when I saw the Hudsons in Woodstock in March at the Colony there was this cool jukebox... and we listened to some of Tom's music before the show... I really dug whatever it was... so I ordered two of his CDs... anyway, I open up the cover... and there is a picture of him sitting with guitar right in front of that jukebox... blew me away... I highly recommend the CD too... great stories... sad and heartfelt stuff... I listened to it all afternoon while painting some trees and sky... my little boy fell asleep to the 3rd song on my futon in my studio... yes, a nice day today... good for a tired spirit... ga-nite... nice to hear those POWs made it out OK... still praying for the missing F15 pilots and their families though...


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Hank, Ireland, Drummers

Yo Hank! There is a great drummer now living in Ireland that you should be on the lookout for. His name is Stan Hale. I caught him in St. Louis with Joe Louis Walker and Kenny "Bluesboss" Wayne about 4 years back. (Funny thing is , Stan is originally a St. Louisan). They were playing a blues/r and b hybrid, with a little tinge of soul thrown in, and Stan was swinging along in a very old jazz/blues vein. Had a real nice feel.

Just heard it through the grapevine, thought i'd pass it along. Whoever he is playing with, no doubt it has to be a great show.


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Posted by:

S

Paul G. "SusieQ" was a Dale Hawkins hit. Dale is a cousin of Ronnie Hawkins. Is that it?


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Levon Jeep

I just knew someone would find a link between Saddam's regime and The Band!!


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Masters/Masterful Pics

Great to see a Lefty (no political connotations) win the Masters. Doesn't hurt that he's friends with my favorite hockey player, Wayne Gretzky. Masterful pictures by the Lenahans and Crabgrass- thanks much.


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Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: trivia

Ok... a little bit of trivia...

what is the connection between the the song 'Suzie Q' - A CCR hit and the Band?

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: This and That

The general rule of thumb when it comes to The Dead: If the lyrics are good, they were written by Hunter.

I'm glad to see the Frank documentary on the Stones, "C*ckS*cker Blues", getting some play in here. What seldom gets acknowledged is the tremendous blues vocal laid down by Mick Jagger on that number. The subject matter makes it easily dismissable, I suppose, but damn is that a legit vocal.


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Posted by:

John W.

Peter - Hmmm, there was a show back in the late '80's, called Houston Knights, one of the stars of the show was Michael Beck who played a guy named Levon Lundy and drove a Jeep. Is it possible the vehicle was monogramed and somehow ended up in Uday's possession?? Otherwise I wonder if maybe it was a Jeep Liberty?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: April 1865

Least we not forget -- on April 3rd, Richmond had fell.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Bizarre Jeep

OK, Sky News was rooting through Uday Hussein's large car collection in the bombed out basement earlier this evening- the Rolls, the Bentley, the vintage cars etc. Then the camera went close up on a logo on a yellow American vehicle. I swear it said "Levon Jeep" in scrolled chrome. I thought - did that say 'SevenJeep' or 'Levon Jeep' then it was gone. This was before I had my evening drink too. Is this a sign of brain deterioration? Did anyone else see it? Was it something else? Jeep experts please. Plus the only yellow car in sight was a coupe, not a 4WD vehicle.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: April 1865, 138 years ago today

On April 14, 1865, John Wilkes Booth assassinated President Abraham Lincoln, five days after Gen. Robert E. Lee had surrendered his army to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant.

Tonight, at 9:00 p.m. (EDST), the History Channel airs the documentary "April 1865 / The Month That Saved America". This television special examines those pivotal 30 days in U.S. history as the civil war was ending and the country faced an uncertain future without Lincoln's leadership.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Stella Blue

Of course your right;

"Stella Blue"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing;

I din't mean to slight Mr. Hunter on the credits.
I simply was in a hurry and could not say off the top of
my head if it was indeed a Hunter tune.

As indeed it is ...

Indeed



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Posted by:

tony c

Location: baltimore

Subject: due credit

Stella Blue lyrics are by Robert Hunter, who too seldom gets credit for his great work


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Hey CALVIN..

"Take it easy .. but take it"

-Woody Guthrie-


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Amen John... I was pulling for Weir too... and a lefty to boot...

Tiny M: Thanks for the GD link... and lyrics to Stella Blue... just what I needed...

It's pushing 80 here today... I just got back from running an errand in the Jeep... topless too... sumpin' about convertibles that makes me feel like I'm playing hooky on life... with some Ben Webster Soulsville blaring out toward the sky... take care all... gotta get back to work now...


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Posted by:

Gene

Yep, what pisses me off most are those DittoHead-RushRobot-ChickenHawks-WideLapel guys...and I never realized it until I started hangin' out here. :°)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Funk Brothers

Really looking forward to The Funk Brothers tomorrow night at Massey Hall. Bootsy Collins joins the tour tomorrow night along with Joan Osborne and Maxi Priest. The thrill for me......the legendary Darlene Love! Motown comes to Hogtown with a twist of the Wall of Sound.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Congratulations Mike

Congratulations Mike Weir who won the Masters yesterday. Long Time Comin'.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Bill

I can recall having seen only one R&R road movie - "Rude Boy" (I think). I saw it at the New Yorker on Yonge Street with world-famous fanzinist, Gary Pig.


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Posted by:

Bones

I was listening to the new Last Waltz box set while driving last weekend, and even in the car, you can tell the improvement of the sound. During the chorus of "Evangeline", the voices are separated and more more distictive.

Butch: What's Levon's beef with Woodstock Records?


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Posted by:

John W.

Calvin - Not sure if it was an attempt at a serious statement or an attempt to bait responses, either way it's not worth getting worked up over or dignifying with response.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Rock 'n Roll Films

Compared to "The Last Waltz" from The Band & Scorsese, Robert Frank's documentary of the Stones' 1972 tour, "C***sucker Blues", may just as well been called "Dancing With Mr. D". The twisting & often dangerous dance of life on the road, only glimpsed second hand in TLW, is grittily depicted in Mr. Frank's underground classic.


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Posted by:

CALVIN

Subject: I cant believe everyone is letting this comment slide by

I've really tried to avoid talking about anything other than music or something relating to it, turntables and the like. But seriously Roz, what the hell do you base the statement "Look what happens when our Black population demonstrates independence, They destroy their own property because to makes them feel good. Fuck Culture!" on.

It is offensive and just ridicolous. The last major riot I know of in the US was OSU fans ripping apart columbus when they beat Michigan, was that "our black population"? I can think of 1 riot over the last 2o years that was a clearly black reaction, that being ROdney King-but I cant think of several, almost all sports related, that was an action by a white majority.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Kevin J. O'Connor

He's a terrific actor. Check out Equinox. Great stuff. He played Ernest Hemmingway in Alan Rudolph's "The Moderns". Interesting little give and take in the opening shot between Buffy "Buzz" Berkeley and Hemmingway in Gertrude's French cafe.

Buzz - Hem, My God Hem!
Hem - looking down.
Hard at work hey Hem. Listen Hem, Can I buy you a drink? It must be awful trying to work in a place as noisy as this.
Hem - Looking up. Have a seat Bunny.
Buzz - Well it's Buffy actually but ... you can call me "Bunny" if you like. (erotic chirping laughter) What'll it be?
Hem - Whiskey.
Buzz - In this business of 227 pieces of schrapnel...
Hem - (interupting) 270
Buzz - 270 .. And still walking, it's a miracle.
Hem - You're alright Bun, You're alright.
Buzz - Thanks Hem. That's swell of ya, damn swell of ya....

I love that ...



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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Changing tack

A different sort of love song the sentiments of which I'm sure most of us have by now regrettably encountered

David Gates to his dad -

'And I would give everything I own - just to have you back again - just to touch you once again'

Weeping now.

Sure loved me arl fella.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Big Rock "Candy Mountain"

Speaking of the Stones and “C.S. Blues” (I don’t know, were we?), I recently saw another film by the director of that elusive documentary, Robert Frank, called “Candy Mountain” (1987). “Candy Mountain” is the story of a New York musician (played by Kevin J. O’Connor - “Lord of Illusion”, “Gods and Monsters”, “The Mummy”) who takes to the road, moving steadily north from NYC towards Cape Breton, Nova Scotia in pursuit of legendary guitar-builder Elmore Silk, hoping to return to NYC with one of his guitars. The film also features cameos by Dr John, Arto Lindsay, Tom Waits (hilarious as Elmore Silk‘s brother), David Johansen, Rita McNeil, and Joe Strummer, among others.

The direction and cinematography by Robert Frank are stunning. Frank is of course more famous as a photographer than a movie director (check out his still classic collection of b&w photos from 1955 called “The Americans”) Besides directing the Stones “C.S. Blues” and “Candy Mountain”, he also took all the photos that appear in the collage on the cover and inner-sleeves of “Exile On Main Street”. His only other stint as a movie director was 1959‘s “Pull My Daisy” starring Jack Kerouac.

For those who like to rummage around used video vendors, I’d strongly recommend looking for “Candy Mountain“. (I got mine for about 10 bucks on ebay).


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Posted by:

John W.

Subject: Love Songs

Sure there have been some good "recent" love songs. "Leather and Lace", "Point Blank", "Lady Blue", "How Can I Be Sure", "This Boy" come to mind. But most of the rock and roll era's love songs can't come close to some of the romantic lyrics that came out in prior generations. Cole Porter and stuff like that, it just has not been the same since. Songs like "Maybe You'll Be There":

Each time I see a crowd of people, just like a fool I stop and stare;

It's really not the proper thing to do, but maybe you'll be there.

I go out walking after midnight, along the lonely thoroughfare;

It's not the time or place to look for you, but maybe you'll be there.

You said your arms would always hold me, You said your lips were mine alone to kiss;

Now after all those things you told me, how could it end like this?

Someday if all my prayers are answered, I'll hear a footstep on the stair;

With an anxious heart I'll hurry to the door, and maybe you'll be there.


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: I'm still Laughin'

That's the way the meds are John. Save Your Life - Lose Your Mind!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Ah Fred, Don't make me come back there. (:


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Pete Viney

Peter, we here in the States are deeply concerned about Bush's lapel problem and have consulted numerous fashion designers to help "Remedy" the problem(there, I knew I could work the Band into this somehow). Many of them ,unfortunately, have been shipped off to Guantonamo for being suspected terrorists. On a "Band" note, I'm working on those recordings you sent me and will ship them out soon..................


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Re-petes

I'm always repeating myself - burp!

Where's that friggin Zantac when yer need it???????


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Posted by:

Bill

Web: My link

For those interested in knowing what Richard Bell's up to, here's a snippet from Danny Brooks' website:

"Danny Brooks is working on a NEW CD: 'SOULSVILLE, Souled Out 'n Sanctified' being produced by Richard Bell, for release in summer of this year. It will be the first recording of what Brooks is calling the "Soulsville Series". It will be a blending of Gospel, Blues, Mountain and Soul music, featuring musicians from the Rockin' Revelators. 'Richard Bell (producer/B3/accordion) had put a bug in my ear to record in the farmhouse and it was an exciting process. Richard had done this with The Band, and assured me I would love it, and he was right!' says Brooks. 'I am so excited about it, I wanted to give a sneak preview with the first ruffs, and will continue this process during the making this recording. We are planning for a release sometime this summer, so please check back for the exact date." [The sneak preview is at the website link above.]


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Posted by:

Fred

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" George Santayana


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Culture - a misquote

I can't be bothered to find the exact quote now, nor who said it, but basically those who fail to appreciate the lessons of the past are condemned to relive its mistakes.


Entered at Mon Apr 14 15:54:34 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Culture

Without culture......life would be sad and boring, wouldn't it? (and isn't The Band part of this thing called "culture"?)


Entered at Mon Apr 14 15:44:38 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: The Louvre

Roz: not funny...I haven't been there yet!


Entered at Mon Apr 14 15:43:49 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Gotta Serve Somebody

A few months ago we, or rather I was talking about ART being Snake Oil or Fool's Gold and a gentleman here (I won't mention his name in case he doesn't want to be held to that statement.) said something to the effect of "You don't give a starving man a work of art, you give him a sandwich" If those people need to do that let them do it! It's their damned country! Look what happens when our Black population demonstrates independence, They destroy their own property because to makes them feel good. Fuck Culture! Year after year after year in chains and Americans or Canadians, W_H_O_E_V_E_R The Cream of the Crop, The Top Of The Heap US, WE, expect those people to contemplate a damned work of Art! Get Real!!


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Posted by:

Bill

Holy smokes Crabgrass, no wonder John D took offence! All he said was that he was sad that the looting hadn't been stopped. He pointed no fingers - not at you, not at the Americans, not at the British, not at the Iraqis. If you don't care to read more history, as John suggested, you could at least read our posts more thoughtfully.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: HaHaHaHaHa

Hell Yeah! Let's blow up the Louvre!


Entered at Mon Apr 14 14:39:55 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: that looted museum

Well, that one is a loss to everybody, just like the Buddhist statues the Taliban destroyed. I don't think it was entirely realistic to expect the troops to prevent that one in the timeframe it ocurred, but it is still sad. On a happier note, I saw that the Baghdad zoo has also been liberated and now protected, and many starving animals that had not been fed are now being nursed back to health.


Entered at Mon Apr 14 13:30:22 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190008.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.167)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Thanks Jan for including "The Best Of Everything"....Tom Petty...with Richard...Garth...Robbie...from "Southern Accents"....found in The Band: Guest Appearances - Audio Files.....

I remember an interview Tom did once where he talked fondly of Roy Orbison.....He told Roy that he was the best singer ever.....Roy responded......"Probably"......Btw....Fave Roy song....."Evergreen"....


Entered at Mon Apr 14 13:19:28 CEST 2003 from (209.236.161.33)

Posted by:

Mikey Lenahan

Great shots Crabgrass!!! That was a show that I missed. Good job with that camera. Also check out the pictures that I took at the Pattenburg at Carol's Birthday Party Bash. Hope to see you soon Grass, mabey at Buddy and Julie Miller show.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: JWB Photos / Mumbai

Attention: JWB Banditos / Road Warriors - Jan just put up some photos I took of the Jim Weider Band at the Bottom Line a few weeks ago - hope you like 'em (click above link). Sorry it took so long - the delay was all my fault (have been busy with other stuff). Jan, of course, is really on the ball - I e-mailed the photos to him yesterday!!

I thought Bombay had changed it's name to Mumbai - did they change it back for the Rolling Stones?

And now, back to the exciting "Museum Looting" topic!!


Entered at Mon Apr 14 10:48:47 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-213.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.213)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Museums and lapels

Funny thing that museum – it upset me too. Which worried me about my priorities in relation to the maimed kids on the TV screens before and after. My excuse is that it isn’t one or the other. Both are sad and wrong in different ways. I don’t think anyone can blame a small and beleagured force for not predicting the museum looting, nor given their number, for not prioritising it. They were hard pressed holding the main hospital. But what was really dumb was to get filmed protecting the oil ministry with a ring of steel while agriculture, irrigation and the museum got looted, let alone the other hospitals. Apart from anything else, the Press Officer needs sacking! It brings us back to a big museum question. Many countries want the major museums to return stuff taken in the past. The Babylon gate is in Berlin and some of the very best Babylonian stuff is in London – it’s a pretty good job we refused to return them in the 70s and 80s as it’s turned out. Berlin, Paris, Vienna and London have some of the greatest Greek, Roman and Egyptian artifacts. Chicago and New York have stunning collections too. There’s great pressure for Britain to return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. The British Museum argument is that if they’d agreed in the 1950s when it was first mooted, and if they’d been restored to the Acropolis as was the plan then, the Elgin marbles would have been destroyed totally by the appalling air pollution in Athens. A Native American tribe in British Columbia is engaged in action for the return of a totem pole from London. Each case seems fair enough on its own merits. But where would it end? I think you have to take it from where the artifacts are now, and praise the great collections for having preserved the stuff.

Also a most serious British question. We’re very worried here about the width of Mr Bush’s jacket lapels. The jacket he was wearing over the weekend is so seriously out of date. Haven’t seen lapels that wide since I last looked in the murkier corners of my own wardrobe. Who is the Presidential dress advisor? Why doesn’t he know that a narrower style is now in favour?


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Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: Calcutta

Subject: Stones and Robert Johnson

Just back from a trip to Bombay for a Rolling Stones concert. This was the first time that the Stones wre in India and I figured that a 2000 Km journey would be worth it. :)

Nice tight concert with Chuck Leavell on keyboards. Also Ronnie Wood, which means I finally saw a guy who was there at the great gig in the sky (read TLW). Wasnt sure whether Bobby Keys was on sax....can someone confirm that ?

But I was hoping that Ronnie and Keith would play some nice solos....but whatever they played was not really too great. They did play some good old numbers though like Brown Sugar, Satisfaction, Sympathy (!!....had to play that...remember the Bombay line), You cant always get, Honky Tonk Women etc. Played for a solid straight two hours !!

Also while checking out the Planet M store in Bombay I picked up the Robert Johnson- Complete Recordings set (Charly). The original price was 950 rupees...but I got it from the bargain bin for Rs. 500. That was almost a whopping 50% off !!! Icing on the cake afa I was concernned....hahahahahah

No wonder we Calcuttans are not much off target when we claim that Calcutta is the cultural capital of India.... :)

YAZOO

PS.Calcutta at least has the only die-hard Bandfan that I know of....I rest my case ;)


Entered at Mon Apr 14 09:38:44 CEST 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

On Saturday night up here we had cars being overturned and set a fire. Firemen and Cops were pelted with rocks and tomatos, storefront windows being broken, our Golden Gophers won the national title in collage hockey...one has to wonder what we would do if we had just been liberated by a tyrant........


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Crabster mon

Crabby, do you honestly think for a minute that if NYC was all of a sudden to lose it's police protection,that you wouldn't see looting of the Guggenheim, Museum of Natural History,etc....?And then what would you say? That Americans don't cherish their culture????????


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Band painting

That painting by Yagi! Holy cripes! Is that pre-or post smack period ? Sinister indeed...........


Entered at Mon Apr 14 07:44:16 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.215)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

I was responding to a post directly below mine. Your comments seem pretty black and white to me. You blame the Iraqi people and the Canadians for the ransacking of Iraqi museums…

" Museum Ransacking: Well, it's too bad the Iraqi people seem to have no respect for their own culture and history as well as the tenets of their own religion, isn't it? Maybe Canada should have offered it's armed forces to serve as museum police just before Baghdad fell."

What am I not comprehending? Don’t you think that the U.S. and U.K. should be responsible to act in a policing capacity in Iraq?


Entered at Mon Apr 14 07:00:56 CEST 2003 from 1cust157.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.157)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Blame Canada?

It's pretty funny to see left wingers commenting on posts they failed to even comprehend. It was a Canadian who seemed to blame the Americans for not policing a museum in Baghdad to prevent the Iraqi citizens from looting it.

I'm no right winger btw - I think independently for myself.


Entered at Mon Apr 14 06:15:28 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.141)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Blame Canada / Borderline

It's pretty funny to see all the right wingers in here lashing out at anybody and anything to defend the attack on Iraq. Is victory not sweet enough? Oh well, at least we have some music in common.

I've been downloading samples from the related artists audio files section on this site and I'm particularly struck by Borderline (1972). Wow,,, funky, haunting,,, How come Richard by himself can make the chorus sound like all three Band singers? Thanks for the clips Jan,,


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Original 5 Painting / Baghdad Museum Looting

Hope everyone has viewed the wonderful painting of the original 5 by Japanese artist Yasuo Yagi which was recently added to the site by Jan and mentioned in the What's New? (Click above link if you missed it.)

I've taken the liberty of brightening it up a bit, removing some minor defects, and resizing it to best fit a computer screen as a screensaver or wallpaper.

I think the boys characters have been deftly captured and in particular like Levon's expression - no doubt he's thinking about Robbie!!

If any of you would like a copy of the "restored and resized" version just e-mail me. Copies of the Moondog Matinee screensaver / wallpaper are also still available. Get 'em while supplies last!

djy15@hotmail.com

Museum Ransacking: Well, it's too bad the Iraqi people seem to have no respect for their own culture and history as well as the tenets of their own religion, isn't it? Maybe Canada should have offered it's armed forces to serve as museum police just before Baghdad fell.


Entered at Mon Apr 14 04:43:21 CEST 2003 from dialup-67.28.43.187.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.43.187)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: More pre-Band necessitites

Have I The Right-The Honeycombs

Telstar-The Joe Meek produced version

Quiet Village-Martin Denny

Something In The Air-Thunderclap Newman (close to the line)

She's Still A Mystery-Lovin Spoonful


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Posted by:

john cass

Location: vt

Subject: hombres

what a band!! those fellas put on a great show and I can't wait until they hit VT... me and my crew had a great time and I have listened to the CD a few times kinda reminds me of Tom Petty/Bob Dylan style and a cool group of fellas.. Thanks for a fun night and even though my trip was long...(broke down in NH had to pay $200 to tow my car back to Rutland and then rent a car from West Lebanon for 2 days at $30 a day it was worth every penny and would do it again... just got back from a sunday Red Sox victory vrs Baltimore and Randy's Yanks lost to the Devil Rays... gotta love it when those Yanks lose... but anyway great time at Johnny D's and I love the music!! until we meet again Hombres and I hope it is soon you guys carry on the tradition of great music....


Entered at Mon Apr 14 02:05:05 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp189865.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.24)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

OK Kalervo: I forgot about modern technology and modern music...........Here's the rap Lauryn Hill adds to her Father-In-Law's song...........That's right....Bob Marley......"Turn Your Lights Down Low".......

Lauryn Hill's Rap:

Lovin' you is like a song that we play
every 3 minutes and 30 seconds of everyday
and every chorus is written for us to recite right
every beautiful melodies
of devotion every night
this potion might, this ocean might carry me
in a wave of emotion ta ask you to marry me
in every word, every second and every third
expresses our happiness more clearly than ever heard
and when I play'em
every chord is a poem
telling the lord how grateful I am cos' I know him
the harmonies possesssss
a sensation similar to your caresssss
if you asked and I'm telling you it's yesssss
stand in love, take my hand and love Jah Bless right, yeah

Bob and Lauryn:

Turn your lights down low (right right now)
and then pull your window curtain (that's right right now)
and let your love come tumbling in (right right now)
into our lives again (say right right now)
ohh it's been a long long time
I got this message for you boy
but it seemed I was never on time
still I wanna get through to you boy
on time...on time

I wanna give you some love
Say I wanna give you some good, good lovin'........

I bet Bob is smiling....Bob's irie kind of smile that only he can do....everytime someone plays this song.....:-D

Bassmanleeeeee: So glad you enjoyed Garland Jeffreys!!.....We're planning to see him on June 28 at the Village Underground in NYC for his "39th" Birthday Bash!!.....Positive Vibrations for sure....:-D


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Posted by:

Paul

Location: LI
Web: My link

Subject: Sam

Hey Sam, Thanks alot. It is nothing but good clean fun for us and like I said just an honor to play with Levon. We are having the time of our lives. Really glad you enjoy it, thats what makes this worth doing..... PS


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: CRABBY

Crabby it is not an either or situation. This is one building and 7000 years of history. The current administration; which thankfully has fallen, does not take away from a country's history which should be respected by citizens of the world. I might be misunderstanding your last comment. I really hope so.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Hi Paul - I saw you and the Last Hombres at Leavy's in Huntington a couple of months ago. I admit that Levon was what drew me to the gig - but as the show went on I found that I stopped watching "Levon playing with these guys" and began to really enjoy the band. I picked up your CD there and I enjoy that too. keep rockin'.


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Posted by:

Briah White

Subject: Joe Lewis

I just wanted to post a little note to say that my best friend in the entire world is the neice of Joe E. Lewis. Her dad, Don, is Joe's younger brother and I was hoping to find a biography of Joe on this site, but I do not see one. Is there one on here? I wanted to send it to her because she idolizes her *Uncle Joe* so much..she never got to know him because he was killed about 7 years before she was born I believe, but she loves him so much still. Do you have a bio of him on here, I was just sending her some rare pics of him I found and wanted to include that too. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Dalai Lama / Museums & Oil Fields

The Dalai Lama probably hasn't had time to study the martial art TAE KWAN LEAP. Since fleeing Tibet he's been cozily camping out in India and meditating for the past 43 years while his people continue to suffer. And he's too busy sitting on his comfy cushions dictating bestsellers containing his "spiritual wisdom" (consisting mainly of platitudes, generalizations, and a smattering of common sense) while being waited on hand and foot by his worshipful underlings just like all the other socalled "great religious leaders" in the world - such as the Pope, for example. Maybe he should get a real job like most of the rest of us which might help him gain a realistic perspective of things.

He can fool Richard Gere but he can't fool me.

Yes, by all means, the U.S. forces should protect the museums and let the pro-Saddam pro-terrorist minority of the Iraqi populace set the oil fields ablaze to pollute the atmosphere like they did in Kuwait during the Gulf War.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Long Distance Operator

I don't know LDO; but did you hear about Jay Leno the other night on the Tonight Show. They showed pictures of looters doing their thing in Iraq and apparently his line was, (I got this 2nd hand BTW) "Well at long last American Values have come to Iraq." All the time showing the scenes of looting. Got a big laugh from the audience I'm told.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Looting

You know, I always thought that looting was a uniquely American thing. Obviously I was totally wrong. Some things are universal, I guess.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Looting

Read a story this morning that was quite sad. A museum in Iraq that had artifacts in it dating back to Mesopotamia.....7000 years.......looted out in 48 hours. Kind of wish that had been stopped.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 20:59:35 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Paul (from the last hombres)

Location: LI
Web: My link

Subject: Johnny D's

The Last Hombres would like to thank all the folks that came out last night to our show at Johnny D's in Boston. It was really nice to meet John Cass and the other people from the guest book. As always it was and is an HONOR to play music with the great Levon Helm. A nicer man can't be found.We will be back at Johnny D's for sure over the summer and we will be on the East Coast for awhile. The above link is our website, e-mail us anytime, we answer all emails and will keep you informed about our where abouts and come up ins (i dont think thats a real word) Again thanks and hope to see you out there.............PS


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Okay, so I was "talking a walk" down memory lane. :) A computer gremlin took over my computer today. After I previewed and corrected my spelling errors, somehow it submitted it anyway.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 20:25:03 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Tony

Location: chi

Subject: who's sick of silly love songs?

Here's a few more, not really modern:

Dire Straits, "Romeo and Juliet", Dylan "Lay Lady Lay", Beach Boys "God Only Knows", The Band (Robbie) "Out of the Blue", and the most rollicking love song, Springsteen's "Rosalita". Oh yeah, and just about anything from Al Green. Also, another vote for "Tupelo Honey".

Are these love songs, or love-sick songs?

"I can't do the talk like they talk on the TV

and I can't do a love song like the way it's meant to be

I can't do everything, but I'd do anything for you

I can't do anything except be in love with you

And all I do is miss you and the way we used to be

and all I do is keep the beat and bad company

All I do is kiss you through the bars of a rhyme

Julie I'd do the stars with you any time.

Juliet, when we made love you used to cry,

you said I'll love you like the stars above,

I'll love you til I die..."

Dire Straits


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Subject: Love Song Old and New

It was so nice talking a walk down memory lane with some of the songs that were mentioned here recently.

Grateful Dead: -Stella Blue - Great Song! I would like to add one, - It Must Have Been The Rose's.

Rightous Brothers: Unchained Melody

Van Morrison: Tupelo Honey - Always on my list of favorite Van's love songs, along with -Crazy Love- You Don't Know Me- (Ray Charles, Richard, or Van singing this song) - These Dreams of You.

Rick Danko: Sip the Wine - Twilight - of as always - It Makes No Difference.\

Levon Helm: Violet Eyes

Joan Armatrading: Love and Affection - Show Some Emotion

Taj Mahal: Corinna - Take a Giant Step - Farther on Down the Road

Jim Weider Band: (Albert Rodgers on vocals) - That was Me When You Were Gone - Better off with the Blue's - A Delbert McClinton song, Randy does such a great job on vocals, with the rest of the band not missing a beat! - Hidden in Plain Sight - If I might add -Sliding Home- Although this song is all instrumental, the way Jim plays the slide on this, gives one the feeling of a deep love, a love lost, very haunting, Just my take on this song.

Daryl Hall and John Oates: She's Gone - Sara Smile. Great talent, from PhillyTown! :)

Stevie Ray Vaughan: Things That I Used to Do - Perhaps not quite a true love song, but one sang by Stevie with so much feeling!\

Gene: I also have to thank you for reminding me of Lowell George, gone but never forgotten. Yes, Too Soon Gone.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 20:13:35 CEST 2003 from (193.203.142.137)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Looking Thru a Glass Onion!

Paul McCartney?

Really interesting reading about Macca here on The Band GB.....if only because, outta all the Fab Four, he's the one with the least amount of links to The Band.......I especially enjoyed reading Al Edges description of Scousers...

It's all TRUE!.... We had a Scouser in my band "Open Kitchen" once and I swear, t'were like being in "A Hard Days Night" as we travelled to and fro' gigs, la......

We had to fire him in the end, tho'!.......

I love Macca, most of his songs (Beatles and Wings), his voice, his ability as a live performer and being the best Little Richard imitator that I've ever heard....I even bought "Silly Love Songs" as a single when I was 13!.......

But, people....

Paul McCartney is the King Lear of British Rock Music......Despite being The King, he's desparate for affection and attention.....and all his loved ones are dying all around him......seems like his "Fool" (Ringo) is far more sussed than The King........

I can't help but think that where ever Lennon&Harrison are right now, they are laughing good and hard....Lennon pointed out, YEARS ago, that Macca is the BEST PR man in the biz......This whole McCartney-Lennon vs. Lennon-McCartney thing is no more than drumming up publicity for Maccas current world tour......

That's all it is.....As Harrison pointed out (all those) YEARS ago, McCartney would talk about a possible Beatles reunion anytime he was pushing a new album......

Well, he CAN'T talk up a Beatles reunion NOW so this is ALL he's got to generate publicity......his new material is not generating much interest....and this new tour is being sold on the fact he's playing so many Beatle songs....

When you think about it, Macca and RR are quite the same, actually....RR is like The King Lear of The Band......

How about we all lobby for a Macca-RR collaboration...Wouldn't that be fun?....I mean it...it'd be great to hear something from such a collaboration.....

Seriously, tho'.....just in case you thought I forgot....

You can argue either which way about The War in Iraq, folks, but here's the deal:

From Iraq, we're seeing images of well-armed soldiers protecting the oil wells but we see no one to protect the hospitals from looters....

All Hail Global America!

May You All Be Safe From Terrorists and War-Mongers....Wherever You Are!


Entered at Sun Apr 13 19:57:06 CEST 2003 from (63.121.115.158)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: Wilmington, DE

Subject: Bromberg/Jeffreys show

David Bromberg brought his Big Band back to his new hometown last night. No real new material, but the band is tighter than ever, and he was very relaxed, joking that (since he was playing a block from his home) he considered coming onstage in his bathrobe. Since I ran into an old workmate I hadn't seen in years, did not attend the post-show meet and greet held, no lie, in the corner sweetshop. One of the performance shows like Mountain Stage ought to get this outfit on before it's too late. The presence of house mics may give a clue that some shows are being recorded for posterity. One can only hope.

Opening was BEG's fave, Garland Jeffreys who put on a very entertaining and captivating set. Accompanied by only by 'stunt guitar player' Al Freedman, he managed to get a very warm response from a crowd that probably knew little about him, the mark of a great entertainer in my book. I can now see why BEG sings his praises!


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: love songs

here's a couple more. caroline no.beach boys.wonderful tonight.clapton.mandolin wind.rod stewart.iknow she's in the building.mike scott.thank you.led zep.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 19:38:38 CEST 2003 from mcha-ab072.taconic.net (205.231.148.167)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Love Songs

Aah... 2 songs by ELP, "Lend your love" and "Nobody loves you like I do", Jon Secada's "Angel", and of course, "It Makes no Difference" by ummm...who was that again? :-)


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Rollie,

I think we need to remember that we both want the same thing, that being peace and prosperity for all. It's how we get there and maintain it that's at issue, and disagreements are healthy. Modern love songs? If you can still call it modern I love mcCartney's My Love. I know it's been derided as schmaltz, but the line about 'it's understood' to me sums up what a deep love is all about; you don't need words.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: modern love songs

here's a contender. have i told you told you lately by van. it seems to get played at most weddings iv been to in the last 10 years.personally i prefer the whole of veedon fleece;now there's a 'love album 'up with the best of them.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: JTull

Glad you didn't take offense to my view points.None were intended,though I felt that logic was flawed. Whatever...... In the world of varied news reports, I find it's best to never take anyones word on anything, not that I don't trust you. I have been sifting thru this link of articles on the guy in question. Nothing yet.....I'll keep trying......http://khalidsheikhmohammed.newstrove.com/


Entered at Sun Apr 13 16:23:26 CEST 2003 from zorg160.revealed.net (208.243.237.160)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Gene

Gene, thank you for the Lowell George reminder. As you succintly put it: too soon gone.

Peter, tough call between pre-Beatles pop and Daniel Lanois isn't it? :) The Marcels cover of "Blue Moon"? As good as it is (catch Doo Wop no less) I'm rather patial to Sam Cooke's and Bobby Vinton's covers of that. Oddly enough, all three covers are in the horror film of noir "An American Werewolf In London". Haven't seen that film in ages. Hmm...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Answer to Rollie

Horsecrap? Fine, I can handle honest disagreement. But it is my view, non-derivative from others so I take full responsibility for its' authorship. I cannot provide a link to the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed quote but trust me he said it. It may have been CNN or the NY Times, but it is a view that has also been expressed repeatedly by other Al Queda captives so ultimately you should run into it.


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Posted by:

Gene

...Lady in a turban, cocaine tree
Does a dance so rhythmically
She's cryin', and a singin' and having a time
and gee that cocaine tree look fine...

- Lowell George (1945-1979)

too soon gone.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Kalervo: Hei....Ya know I loooove the writers from way back.....That's why they are so fine.....and most are still out there doing what they do.....I'm not a fanatic of one writer....So I can't pick one ultimate love song......

Turn Your Lights Down Low...Bob Marley...The Press in 1977 gave Bob some flack for EXODUS recording because of all the love songs apparently for Cindy (Mother of Damian Marley) at the time....They said Bob was going "soft"....

Tupelo Honey...Van...Also check out Van and Bob singing together "Tupelo Honey/Why Must I Always Explain"....
In The Afternoon...Van
Reminds Me Of You...Van.....See....Van's not always grumpy....I will always need to hear his voice....always.....

One of my fave street-wise crooners.....He's so underrated....Willy DeVille....originally leader of Mink DeVille...

I Call Your Name
Each Word's A Beat Of My Heart
Love And Emotion
She Was Made In Heaven
So In Love Are We
Basically....Start with Willy's LOVE AND EMOTION recording...The Atlantic Years....Now that he's moved back to NYC....There's hope to see him again......He played Montreal recently.....

Guts For Love....Garland Jeffreys....Garland....He's like Marley....He writes about injustices in the world but always makes time to love......:-D

Sara...Bob
If You See Her, Say Hello...Bob...I've read that Bob could never understand how such a painful recording....BLOOD ON THE TRACKS could be loved by fans so much.....That's why Bob.... We've been there too.....

Coney Island Baby...Louuuu.....New York Cool who has a big heart.....At the end of the song he just whispers...."I'd like to send this one out to Lou and Rachel and all the kids in PS 192....Man I swear I'd give the whole thing up for you".....

Otis Redding....Take your pick....Wow....The energy and emotion he demonstrates at Monterey.....

It Makes No Difference...The Band....I think we'd all agree on this one......At Canadian Music Week a writer stood up and told Robbie this song helped him get through a divorce........I'm sure he wasn't the only one......

Crazy Love...Written by Van but one of my fave covers is Aaron Neville singing.....and Robbie playing guitar......pure love and emotion by both men......I've never heard Robbie play guitar as pure as this.....so pure....

Kalervo.....Sorry....I get carried away by MUSIC...So as Marley would say.....

PEACE, LOVE AND UNITY


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Maeve...Kalervo

Maeve...If you go to Barnes and Noble you can get Carny in VHS format, it hasn't been issued asa DVD...Also you can get a copy of Leveon Helm's "This Wheel's on Fire"...I think this is a must read for every true Band fan, whether you sympathize with Robbie or Levon.

Kalervo...For my money it's either Dylan's "Buckets of Rain" or Clapton's "Wonderful Tonight".

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Maeve

Location: England

Hey everyone. I posted here last month sometime, fully intending to come back and write more (thanks to basmanlee, Lifeboy, jerry and Lil for your responses) but got so distracted by reading through the last few months of the GB (which makes for some great bedtime reading) that it’s taken me ’til now to catch up with all the posts. I think you’re all amazing! Really. I’m addicted to reading this thing. I’m meant to be doing coursework and revising for exams, and you’ve gone and hooked me on this instead. When you’re trying to write an essay on the history of South-west England and you subconsciously start typing ‘Levon’ instead of ‘Devon’ you know you’ve got problems. Luckily my lecturer understood…

Anyone in the UK who’s a Robbie fan, The Crossing Guard is on this Friday, BBC 2 I think… not entirely sure what time; about 11 or 12. And talking of films in the UK, does anyone know if you can buy Carny round here? I’ve had no luck… In fact, it’s damn near impossible to buy anything even vaguely Band-related in Plymouth, which seems to be stuck in a sort of deep clubbing/boy-band/Britney Spears hole at the moment. Just my hard luck, I guess. This might be an incredibly stupid question, but I don’t suppose there’s any hope in any remaining Band members ever winding their way over to London or somewhere, is there…? No…?

Anyway, please don’t ever, ever close or radically change this GB, or stop writing in it, because it affords hours of free entertainment and – er – education to a penniless student who can’t afford to buy any more CDs. Long live the GB!


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Posted by:

Lil

Subject: The lion sleeps tonight

Peter: Arrghhh. The _worst_ version of that song has to be the one in the book entitled "Look Mom.. I can play a real song". I remember my 19 year old (who is now an accomplished sax player) learning how to play that at the basic level many years ago. The sax always attached to his lip, I frankly wanted to put the lion out of commission permanantly.
And now, my 11 year old (who I think is going to be a teriffic trumpet player as he seems to have natural talent, but is just starting out) has just come home with that same "Look Mom..." book, and is making me re-live the horror of that lion sleeping again. Oh-my-God. I can't tell you how thankful I am for my 13 year old daughter, who doesn't serenade me with "The Lion sleeps tonight", or have brass of any kind sticking out of her face. She does, however, seem to have a phone permanantly glued to her ear....


Entered at Sun Apr 13 10:19:28 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-135.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.135)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Lion sleeps Tonight

Dave Z - do you mean 'Wimoweh' a patronizing campfire song which gives vision of a world where Pete Seeger is ruler- maybe the job title would be Head Facilitator -(except he'd never manage the chorus, but it might not stop him trying), or do you mean 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' which was The Tokens wonderful remake of the same song? Same words, same tune but otherwise chalk and cheese. The Tokens one would go well on a car CD with Stay and The Marcels version of Blue Moon … I think a week of pre-Beatles pop is beckoning. Don't know though, a new Daniel Lanois tomorrow. The excellent reviews today all mention U2 and Bob Dylan, but none of them mention Robbie Robertson.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 09:11:37 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Kalervo: Stupidly Happy (XTC) I Love You (Barenaked Ladies) & although, it's from 1979...ancient by your standards I guess : )..... Train In Vain (The Clash). These are off the top of my head, probably more will come to mind later!

Crabgrass: It's a good thing the Dalai Lama isn't an ardent follwer of TAE-KWAN-LEAP (the Frantics) 'cause I'm sure, using one of the Doc Martens hidden under the flowing orange robe of his, you'd be the beneficiary of a.....boot to the head : )


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: LEVON AND THE HOMBRES

Just got back from a thoroughly enjoyable show featuring Levon Helm and The Last Hombres. Levon, bless him, is just a hell of a guy in person. The man can still light up a room with his grin, and that grin is automatic whenever he's in the throes of the groove.

The Hombres are a hot act, too. Great songs. After watching the set, I had to purchase a CD. They were all super-cool guys, too. No "rock star ego" in the lot. If you have a chance, do yourself the favor and check them out.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Your favorite modern love song

I started the most popular thread in the gb of our best local radio station: the most glorious love song in modern times. The modern times there were about 10 years. Thus we could avoid those over-played songs from 60' s and 70's. But this is so much nostalgia site, so everybody can think freely what is a modern song in her/his opinion.Let' s see if anybody intrested.

My vote is for Bruce Cockburn' s Live On My Mind...No explanations, just open your heart and listen...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out There
Web: My link

Subject: Stella Blue

Stella Blue

All the years combine, they melt into a dream,
A broken angel sings from a guitar.
In the end there's just a song comes cryin' up the night
Thru all the broken dreams and vanished years.
Stella blue. Stella blue.

When all the cards are down, there's nothing left to see,
There's just the pavement left and broken dreams.

In the end there's still that song comes cryin' like the wind.
Down every lonely street that's ever been
Stella blue. Stella blue.

I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel, can't win for trying.
Dust off those rusty strings just one more time,
Gonna make them shine, shine

It all rolls into one and nothing comes for free,
There's nothing you can hold, for very long.
And when you hear that song come crying like the wind,
It seems like all this life was just a dream.
Stella blue. Stella blue.

The Grateful Dead


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: D-A-O Blues ... Dead

Thanks Dave Z. I'll look into some of the book refs. As for the down and out song, my son has taken to all the old blues classics and is a first rate guitarist in his own right (the kid can play) ... but for me, an old hippy from North Cali San Francisco, I'm stuck and keep going back to the Dead and "Stella Blue" ... and that piece of music I play over and over and cannot get enough of, you can find in "My link" up there. Download, 0209darkster-dew.mp3 and "0211nfa-gdtr-nfa.mp3" burn them to disk. I keep *darkstar-dew* on my desktop and will play it as I sit here. I never tire of it. It is a beautiful piece of history. Recorded live at Winterland in Feb. 1974 ... Anyways, I went to the discount book store and picked up a bunch of cheap hardbacks (three for $20.00) Peter Straub, Ken Follett and Robert Ludlum ... easy reading.

...By the way click into the "Parent Directory" in that Dead site and find over a hundred live shows from 1965-1995 ... you can find a dozen or so different versions of Stella Blue there ...

The music is offered with permission by the way ...

Peace All Over



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Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: "...........somewhere in the Middle of Montana"

Subject: Crabbies Link/Ray Pence

Ray don't you get it yet, there's no oil in Tibet. The only thing it's good for is a destination for either burned out hippies or young hippie wannabees. Besides the folks doing all of the "alleged" murders, rapes, tortures genocide, cultural destruction (cultural destruction, hell those Tibetans worship wierd shit), are the very same good buddies that keep our Wal-Marts shelves full. If Americans want to work they should get off their ass and go to a Third World country and get a freakin' job.

I know, confused and ranting again. Hypocrisy does it to me every time.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Crabby

So, now we've linked the Dalai Lama to the 9-11 attacks! Glad we got that out of the way! Tull, could you please post the link to the article where that Al Queda fellow makes those claims you mentioned in your previous post.I'm curious about that. Never heard the claim..........


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Posted by:

DZ Agin

Location: Stupidville

Seriously Ronnie... I was raised listening to all that... the Lion Sleeps Tonight crap... when I was in those experimental MD schools... where they put us in different colored clusters... I think I was in the blue cluster... but coveted the purple one... anyway, I think instead of folk tunes... or song poet music ala Eric A lingo... kids should be listening to Ronnie's Rockabilly... stuff like A Screw's Loose... and Five Dollar Fine For Whining... OK, I'll go away now...


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Actually Roz... I kinda liked the griz griz blues song you shared... thanks!!!... you too Tiny MMMMM...

Actually, I've been struggling with reading... tough plowing these days for some reason... right now I'm in the middle of Memoirs of a Shy Pornographer... thanks Matt for the rec... and I breezed thru A Season in Hell... before thinking... huh? What's everybody so hot about this for?... I'm also in the middle of two Winona LaDuke books and keep going back and forth when I get tired or sidetracked... and then I'm also in the middle of Zen Guitar, which actually has some great quotes from musicians throughout... but hey, once you've read one Zen book... I'm wondering if you haven't read them all?... and I'm also picking up the Koran but it's gonna take me the rest of my life to get thru it I think... none of them are mixing together too well either... I guess I got out of the bathtub and do sumpin, huh...

And what am I listening to... I bought an oldies Peter... after reading some Garth interviews on this site... and picked up a used retrospec of Stan Kenton... but what I'm really listening too is... Hubert Sumlin's "I Know You"... and that London Howlin' Wolf CD with EC... and you wanna know how good ole' Hubert is... well, I'm a chronic finger nail biter... I'm talking hang nails and blood... and pain afterwards... all the good stuff that goes with nervous 1st born like behavior... anyway, for the 1st time in my life I'm actually growing nails... and you can see the white stuff... of course I only know 5 chords on my cheap gitar so far... thanks to the Happy Homespun DVD... but anyway, you can say Hubert is bringing the white out in me... hee hee hee... I like his voice too... on both the CD... and the video wit Levon & Co... Oh, and in my car I've been listening to the Dead strictly... unlike the Zen books... I am hooked on Dick's pick... and have this deep need to hear every version of Not Fade Away... #4 ain't bad...

Hey Tiny... what's a good going broke blues song (I thought I'd skip the middleman this time:^)... Luv ya Roz cept when you real crazee... Another oldie... Eidle Vice, which I know is spelled wrong... but this was my Grandfather's fav late in life... from the Sound Of Music... Oh, in my wife's vehicle we listen to Still Crusin'... and the new Joan Osborne one... both being a kid's request... I wonder if Ronnie realizes how young his audience really is?!?!...


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Dalai Lama

Crabgrass, if that speech you linked is "horsecrap," then I say we need a lot more horsecrap, spread throughout the world. I know you linked it because you don't like it, but I'm happy to say it had the opposite effect on me. I've been reading about how the US is at least partly responsible for permitting the looting of the Iraqi museum and the extinction of 7000 years of culture, and needed a lift. Guess those elaborate war plans didn't anticipate an aftermath like this. Based on your previous comments it seems like you believe the end justified the means in Iraq, but now it looks like the end involves a hell of lot more than Hussein's fall.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Real Horsecrap

Click above link.


Entered at Sun Apr 13 04:02:50 CEST 2003 from sdn-ap-019castocp0386.dialsprint.net (65.178.65.132)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Tull

Horsecrap........


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Books

I know some of you out there are avid readers. I just finished a book
(We Were The Mulvaneys, last time I ever read an "Oprah Book")
any suggestions?

How bout you Roz? What-cha readin these days?

Over ...



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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pacifism

Ray, I believe the best way to avoid war (or a prolonged one) is to be prepared to fight one. Pacifism is a luxury reserved for a few when other parts of a society are willing to take up the burden. No, I have never been in the military. But pacifism/non-pacifism is not strictly a military question, and the fact that the article deals with Israel is not the central component for me, although if I WERE an Israeli I certainly would not resort to such a doctrine. It is worthwhile to note that key members of Al Queda, including that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed guy they caught last month in Pakistan stated they (and specifically he) planned 9/11 because the U.S. was seen as a paper tiger that wouldn't effectively fight back. So that's my point; pacifism ultimately brings about violence and war because because they create the opportunity for it. And it is not the pacifists who end up cleaning up the mess. So to me it is a doctrine that while pretending to be selfless, is actually the opposite and rather selfish.


Entered at Sat Apr 12 23:08:26 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-252.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.252)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mouldy oldies

Ten random good old ones.
1 Stay – Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs
2 What Kind of Love Is this? – Joey Dee
3 Walk Like a Man – The Four Seasons
4 If You Wanna Be Happy – Jimmy Soul
5 You Can’t lie To a Liar – Ketty Lester
6 Please Don’t Tease – Cliff Richard
7 Raindrops – Dee Clark
8 Little Sister – Elvis Presley
9 Teenage Idol – Rick Nelson
10 If A Man Answers – Bobby Darin
Completely random. All worth it. You can get nearly 30 like this on one CDR.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: macca in mojo,yoko too.

brilliant new edition of mojo.wonderful interview with paul,and yes he does talk about 'that whole business'.in the same mag.following macca's interview, there's a big interview with yoko,and yes ,she's not amused.take care all.rich.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Groucho also said "on no, I'm not going throught that again" when he realized that continuing a coversation he was having with Chico was mind numbing - and just stopping was better.


Entered at Sat Apr 12 20:20:09 CEST 2003 from 14.40.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.40.14)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Questions

JTullfan, some questions, take them or leave them, and I'll let you have the last word on all this, thanks,

Since the young man in the story I linked is an Israeli citizen with plenty of experience about what happens in his country that you and I lack, is it accurate to call him clueless, or do you do so just because you disagree with him?,

and, have you ever served in the military? if not, why? if so, have you been in a war?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Since one or two people might like me here, which I sincerely doubt. I will stick by the old Groucho Marx line and say I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Great, a pacifist and a self-rightous Frenchman

For the French, I am sure they will have no problem forgiving the billions Iraq still owes the french for arms sales in the 70's and 80's. It's the least they can do to help the Iraqi children have a better tomorrow. Pacifists? What a selfish, self-rightous, utterly clueless bunch. Peace is earned. Peace is established. Peace is protected, and peace is sometimes defended by war if necessary. Peace is not the end result of persons who will not put themselves on the line for it.


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Posted by:

Pehr

Isn't it odd we get most of our "White Winger" political rants from people that can bore us to death enlessly here but when it was time to go out and vote they were no-shows?



Entered at Sat Apr 12 18:45:03 CEST 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612770.sympatico.ca (65.93.193.137)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Daniel Lanois tour dates:

Amoeba Music In-store April 23, 7 PM Hollywood, CA

Borders In-store April 26, 4 PM San Francisco, CA

Orange Peel May 13, 9 PM Asheville, NC

Exit In May 14, 9 PM Nashville, TN

City Stages Blockbuster Stage May 16, 7:50 PM Birmingham, AL

Theatre of the Living Arts May 19, 8 PM Philadelphia, PA

Nightclub 9:30 May 20 Washington, D.C.

Bowery Ballroom May 23, 10 PM New York, NY

Theatre Aquarius May 25, 26, 7:30 PM Hamilton, ON

Grand Theatre May 27 London, ON

The Ark May 28 Ann Arbor, MI

Old Town School American Airlines Concert Hall May 30, 8 PM Chicago, IL

The Great American Music Hall June 6, 8 PM San Francisco, CA

Aladdin Theater June 11, 7 PM Portland, OR

Alix Goolden Hall June 13 Victoria, BC

Richard's on Richards June 14, 7 PM Vancouver, BC

Montreal Jazz Festival June 30 Montreal, QC

May 11 - The Southgate House - Newport, KY

May 15 - Echo Lounge - Atlanta, GA

May 18 - Joan C. Edwards Playhouse - Huntington, WV

May 21 - Paradise Rock Club - Boston, MA

May 31 - Women's Club - Minneapolis, MN

June 5 - Henry Fonda Theatre - Los Angeles, CA

Ray:.....:-D....BTW.....Here are the Richard Thompson CDS Crabgrass gave to me.....

Celtscmerz
Straws In The Wind
Outside In
A Gypsy Love Song


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Posted by:

Lafayette

Web: My link

Subject: Bush

Ou sont les armes de destruction massive ? Encore de l'hypocrisie americaine.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: A person of conscience

Hello all,

the above link takes you to what I think is a wonderful story,

"don't go there" if you don't want "politics" or "dissent." Do go there if you admire people who risk it all for a different, more difficult, and better way than war.

rpence3@sunflower.com


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: John Jackson

Charlie: I saw John Jackson only once and really enjoyed the music. He was a funny guy too. I had always wanted to see him again and missed him the next time he came to my area. Then, it was too late.

It makes you realize you need to go out and see these folks before they are no longer around.

Yesterday, on UNC-TV, I saw a show called folkways. It was called Piedmont Blues and explored the strong blues music ties in North Carolina It featured Morganton's Etta Baker, John Dee Holeman of Durham, and George Higgs of Tarboro. Great stuff!

Joy


Entered at Sat Apr 12 14:29:02 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: addicted to one song on constant replay

Peter V: oh yes, quite often, too! Blues Traveler's Run Around is just the tip of the iceberg for me! But the worst culprit is my Mom. Years ago (many, many, many years ago), I taped an Engelbert Humperdink (sp?) LP for her. There was about 10 minutes left on the tape, so she requested that Please Release Me (Let Me Go) be taped over and over until there was no space left on the tape. she wanted the same thing done, another time, with White Christmas (Der Bingle's version) on a tape that had 20 minutes left. Fortunately for me the task fell to my cousin as I was away at university!


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: John D - Daniel Lanois

Will you be interviewing Daniel Lanois?

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Marrakesh

Subject: The Moptops

Just scrolled through about a week's postings. There's a lot to scroll by, but it was worth it to get to Al's take on the Beatles One of my best friends is a scouser Al and I've spent a fair bit of time up there (I remeber the Phil and the Brook House well). And thanks for the Gourds...


Entered at Sat Apr 12 12:26:51 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-243.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.243)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: UK acts / Stay

Van & Them in 1964 / The Kinks. I saw The Kinks very early, in the hunting jackets stage. They were musically far too raw round the edges then- really serious tuning troubles too. I don’t think they were blowing anybody off the stage, frankly. (And I am a fan of The Kinks, I hasten to add). The Who, Rod Stewart & The Soul Agents, The Alan Bown were all far better. The Kinks when I saw them looked and sounded like amateur night with a ton of energy but didn’t go down well in Bournemouth. The local musicians in Bournemouth bands in that era were Robert Fripp, Zoot Money, Andy Summers, Greg Lake, John Wetton, Lee Kerslake – so what we got from the semi-pros was of a higher technical standard. The best live act I saw that early was Zoot Money, who did almost the same repetoire as The Hawks. Then, just before they made it, Manfred Mann were very good indeed, again with a similar setlist. On word of mouth, Georgie Fame & The Blue Flames must have had as good a reputation as anybody. I never saw them live. I saw a few Irish Showbands and in Van’s bio it talks of a few excursions south with Show Bands … I’ve always wondered.

Current listening – I’ve spent a couple of days totally addicted to just one song, ‘Stay’, switching between Maurice Williams and The Zodiacs and Jackson Browne. Can’t get it out of my head. Do try this at home, but DON’T put The Hollies breakneck speed version on anywhere near it. I’d remembered it fondly, but put it against the other two and it’s mind numbingly ill-considered and awful. Do others get addicted to one song on constant replay?

Ben, I don’t know whether I get Thompson or not. I just like the duo stuff more than the solo stuff, that’s all. And I do buy most of it. Where Clinton’s balls were at any time are of little interest to me, nor should it be to anyone outside his immediate circle, though I would say that a relaxed and mellow politician is generally less dangerous than a frustrated and uptight one. In the 19th century everyone knew that and ignored their private antics. Didn’t Robbie say just that when it was all originally in the news?


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Oh Man..

It's 4 am Bayou Sam. Ain't it time for you to be in bed? I have to be up man, I'm a graverobber.

Being lost
Being crazy
Maybe not so bad
If you can be that way undisturbed.

-Bukowski-


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Posted by:

Robbie Strummer

Location: Pittsburgh,PA

Subject: The Band and The Clash

My pc jukebox had to be deleted a few weeks ago because of a pc problem. Hooked up with my wife tonight, she was at a ladies night out, and told her that I downloaded my favorite two bands on our musicmatch jukebox, and she immediately yelled, The Band and The Clash!!! I of course was guilty and pretty predictable. I don't know why, but those two bands just have some kind of hold on me. Two very different styles but they must have something in common to make me love both them so much. I know the tunesmith of The Clash, Mick Jones, would always credit The Band in the credits of the albums with his next incarnation, Big Audio Dynamite. BAD was okay but Mick really need Joe to keep him rocking. Anyway, I'm sitting here trying to think of some sort of common thread between the two groups and having a hard time coming up with something. Elvis Costello mentioned both Strummer/Jones and Rick Danko it his RRHF speech but other than that, I can't think of a similiarity between both bands. Anyone else out there who love both bands? Maybe it's just that they gave us great music to enjoy!!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Nothing's "up my ass" Roz - but thanks for asking. In was just reacting to the fact that your conversation was turning into more of an e-mail, or even a chatroom thing. Also, the swaggering attempt to be raw and shocking was getting old. You've got a fan or two in here - that's good - it's great to be liked. But don't get nuts.

I'm just sort of answering your question as to what might be up my......I have no interest in getting into a big "thing" in here with you. I was just spouting a thought or two. Rock on.

Allright then - thanks for all the Cephas & Wiggins responses. I do want to check out more of their stuff.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Make Love Not War?

Hell that's no fun unless you get paid for it.

Got "Nashville" on the video deal.

"Dammit to hell! Bob, What did you say the piano player's name was?"

"Frog"

"Yeah, he plays like a frog. When I ask for Pig, I want Pig! Now you get me Pig and we'll be ready to record this here tune!"


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Posted by:

gandy dancer

Location: on the bleachers, out in the sun

guess the US of A has got it's boot on the neck of old Saddem's regime, except now it's got it's foot in a nest of vipers. seems like anyways, could be wrong


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Back Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Cephas & Wiggins

Cephas and Wiggins are a fine pair of Piedmont blues men from here in Virginia. They owe much to the late, great John Jackson, an amazing rural blues man who was once a grave digger here in the Old Dominion. Roots music in this state goes way back but it's still alive and well...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Unfinished Business

Oh, by the way Roz,
faites la guerre d'amour pas
I means,
Make Love Not War

Thank You
Thank you very much
no,no, thank YOU ...



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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Ball and Biscuit

Ball and Biscuit is a great song! That's really workin a blues beat with an old flare done new. I kind of thought of it as Jeff Beck pre Blow by Blow meets Kurt Kobain. You can't help but really crank that song..., It also reminds me of how my buddies and I used to jam in the garage all those many fine years ago.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Well PV, let me ask you stright "His balls were in always in somebody's mouth." Is that one of the colorful turns of phrase that you enjoy? No wonder you don't get Thompson. See, I would argue that that is not only witless, but that it betrays a deep, crude, bigoted, pathological hatred that is at the heart of the southern Jesus freak of nature. Interesting to know if Roz will tell that one if front of the savior, when She gets up to heaven! I'm sure the ghosts of those dead French resistance fighters, surely as brave people as have ever lived, are thankful for the wet noodle you applied on their behalf.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Train Run ...

Downtown Train

Outside another yellow moon
Has punched a hole in the nighttime, yes
I climb through the window and down to the street
I'm shining like a new dime
The downtown trains are full with all of those Brooklyn girls
They try so hard to break out of their little worlds

Well you wave your hand and they scatter like crows
They have nothing that will ever capture your heart
They're just thorns without the rose
Be careful of them in the dark
Oh, if I was the one you chose to be your only one
Oh baby can't you hear me now, can't you hear me now

Will I see you tonight on a downtown train
Every night it's just the same, you leave me lonely now

I know your window and I know it's late
I know your stairs and your doorway
I walk down your street and past your gate
I stand by the light at the four-way
You watch them as they fall, oh baby, they all have heart attacks
They stay at the carnival, but they'll never win you back

Will I see you tonight on a downtown train
Where every night, every night it's just the same, oh baby
Will I see you tonight on a downtown train
All of my dreams they fall like rain, oh baby on a downtown train

Will I see you tonight on a downtown train
Where every night, every night it's just the same, oh baby
Will I see you tonight on a downtown train
All of my dreams just fall like rain, all on a downtown train
All on a downtown train, all on a downtown train
All on a downtown train, a downtown train

Tom Waits

And the train kep-a-rollin
all night long ...

Hugs-n-Kisses to all



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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Standin' at the corner of Mercy and Grand.

Subject: Stranger Blues

Well I'm a stranger here
Just blowed in this town (yes I did)
I'm a stranger here
I just blowed in this town (kick it).
And just because I'm a stranger
Everybody wants to dog me 'round

Well I won-der why these people treats a stranger so. (yes I do)
Yes I wonder why all the people treats a stranger so.
She may be your best friend
This you will never know.

I'm goin' ta write home to Daddy
Please send me my railroad fare. (yes I am)
I'm goin' to write home ta daddy
Send me my railroad fare.
If he don't send it
I don't mind walkin' there. (no I don't).

I wonda if my baby ev-en knows I'm hear (yes I do)
Does my sweet papa even know that his mama's here
Well If he do
He just don't see to care.

Well I'm a'goin' back Memphis where I got me 99 pairs o'shoes (yes I am)
I'm a'goin back home where I got me 99 pairs o'shoes.
And when I get back I won't have these ol' stranger blues. Whoa.....

Monster - I loved it...


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Posted by:

Angela

Location: Oklahoma

Subject: One of THE BEST EVER

To this day, I must have my LAST WALTZ fix frequently!


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Lowell George

Just remembering Lowell's birthday, he would have been 58 on Sunday

..."I don't dig potato chips, and I can't take torts..."


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Hey B.S

What's up yer ass? So you're the type of guy who hears two people having a good time in the next room, whines to the desk and throws shoes against the wall. Besides pal, you have rotten taste in music. I was always surprised you even found The Band.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Blues for Bayou Sam

Cephas and Wiggins have been around for quite some time Sammy....if you dig their stuff, check out Tom Ball and Kenny Sultan, for my dollar, the finest harmonica/guitar duo happpening.Some of their "old" records are available on e-bay right now, the ones they recorded for Flying Fish. Kenny Sultan is a virtuoso finger -picker while Tom Ball seems to be a cross between Sonny Terry and Norton Buffalo on harp. Still , his own sound......... And for the solo harp/guitar stuff, nobody can touch John Hammonds live album (also Flying Fish) recorded live at McCabes in Santa Monica.Hammond, still the king!


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Bears ... railroads ... rivers ... rooms ... ?

Bear Tracks

High on the mountain tell me what do you see,
Bland shacks and railroad tracks looking back at me,
Better take Chicago Forest to the plain,
There's a Colorado River running through the green,
You been hanging around this world far too long,
Lord, at night for countless hours certainly are gone,
Never been an outlaw, never been this free,
Except for tales of Colorado spring,
Take up my money, thought I'd be free,
Saw that man a commin' thought they were that free,
Chopped down that tree and my worries were all gone,
All of a sudden bullets were ringing through that home,
You been hanging around this world for far too long,
Hanging around the mountain home, back in half an hour,
Way back in the swamp, boys way back in the trees,
Colorado payroll in the Colorado spring,
You hear them coming, the voices of love,
You must come courting through this world or go,
Texas in the dell, running in the well,
You know all you can do is raise hell,
Stick around this world for far too long,
Back in half an hour with the...
Way back in the swamps, way back in the trees,
Never been this free in the Colorado spring,
As sun come up as alive as I can be.

Grateful Dead

Got a room thanks ...
How bout chew Roz ? ...



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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Back At You, Pat

MY PERFECT PRE AND POST BAND GUILTY PLEASURES CD:

Early Morning Rain- Peter, Paul & Mary

Grizzly Bear- Youngbloods

Moondance- Van Morrison

Melissa- Allman Bros.

Freebird- The Band(I know, I know...it's a habit)

Cherry Bomb- John Mellancamp

Comes A Time- Neil Young

One More Dollar- Gillian Welch

Crossing Muddy Water- John Hiatt

Largo's Dream- The album "Largo"

Babylon- David Gray

Like A Rolling Stone- Bob Dylan

Acadian Driftwood- Overlook Mountain


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: current listening pleasures

I just picked up a really nice CD by a blues duo by the name of Cephas & Wiggins. I'd heard a song by them on the radio once called "The Blues Will Do Your Heart Good". I found this release in the used section with that tune on it. These guys are just acoustic guitar, and harp - with vocals. They sound like bluemen from the past, with modern recording technology......Anyone else heard of them?


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Posted by:

J.L.B.

Location: TN

Subject: takin' the music to the people

I'm gonna sing "the weight" at the pioneer festival(camp jordon) tomorrow.Wish me luck.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: just a suggestion

Tiny Monster & Roz = why don't you take it to e-mail - or get a room, or something.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: What I'm listening to (at the moment)

A selection of songs by The Gourds, Look Sharp (Joe Jackson) Apple Venus (XTC) and my daughter playing the piano...not all at the same time mind you!


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Posted by:

Fred

I think this sums it all up (from the Watkins Glen piece):

"...the Band represented the antithesis of slickness in the summer of '73. None of their music was souped up or hammered out via record-company formulas. Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson,Levon Helm, Rick Danko, and Richard Manuel offered to rock what the poppish,syrupy bands could not: unadulterated, unpatterned, unmistakable music."


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: War No Mo'

I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield
Down by the riverside
And study war no more

Ain't gonna study on war no more
Study on war no mo'
Ain't gonna study war no-no-no mo'
I ain't gonna study on war no mo'
Study on war no more
I ain't gonna study war no more

I wanna try on my long white robe
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
I'm a'gonna try on my long white robe down by the riverside
And study the war no mo'

I'm gonna meet my lovin' mother
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
I'm a' gonna meet my lovin' mother down by the riverside
And study on war no more.

Play on that harp for us Sonny ....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Latest CD I made.....Listening While In Transit....

Stuck Inside A Cloud...George Harrison
Horse To Water...George Harrison
Redemption Song...Tanita Tikaram and Moodswings
Feeding The Witches...Tanita Tikaram
Who Am I?...Louuuu
Guilty...Louuuu/Ornette Coleman
Crazy Feeling...Louuuu
Falling At Your Feet...Bono/Daniel Lanois
Broken Things...Julie Miller
Spanish Stroll (live)...Willy Deville
Sometimes We Cry...Tom Jones/Van
Hello It's Me...Todd
Can We Still Be Friends?...Todd
I Miss You...Stevie Nicks
I'm Not Afraid...Skunk Anansie
Beautiful Blue...Holly McNarland


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Grizzly-ole-Bear

Yes I see. Almost has the cadence of an old railroad workers chant.
The old Black men in teams used to straighten the rails with long iron bars
in unison to a gospel song rhythm.

Course they had to cheer it up for the kids ...
Except for your old-man I guess.
Chip off the old block eh Roz?



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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Mean old grizzley

Tiny Monster - It's a chain gang song. Dad's version was a little different.

I wanna tell you a story bout a (griz-a-ley bear)
He was a great big grizzley (griz-a-ley bear)
You know he made them tracks just like an ol' (griz-a-ley bear)
He had a great big paw like a (griz-a-ley bear)
You know the tracked him through Texas now (griz-a-ley bear)
He went down to Ok-la-ho-ma now (griz-a-ley bear)
You know the people tried to catch him there (griz-a-ley bear)
Because he was of killin' stock now (griz-a-ley bear)
Lord have mercy now (griz-a-ley bear)
On that mean old griz-zley (griz-a-ley bear)
He went on down to Loo-si-anna now (griz-a-ley bear)
He was a runnin' in the swamp yall (griz-a-ley bear)
He was'killin' ev-er-y-thang now (griz-a-ley bear)
He was a mean old griz-zley (griz-a-ley bear)
Lord have mercy on that (griz-a-ley bear)....and on an on......


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Posted by:

Tony

Location: SHI-KA-GO

Mystery,

I've done that soooo many times already. Problem is I'd like to share my love and knowledge of The Band with others. And that's not easy. Some don't know, others don't care (which is fine-every one is welcome to their opinion). And I know Elvis C. has been around, Hall of Fame this year, huh huh?

I'll go anywhere in this city for music (can't stand the Riv anymore). I like the Abbey, Martyr's has some nice live acts. Was at the Vic the other night, going to see Widespread Panic tonight at the UIC (terrible venue). Tell me your recommendations. Speaking of punk, I've really been playing the hell out of London Calling (The Clash) lately. And I love Lucinda Williams, I'll have to get her new one.

"Just to stubborn to ever be governed by enforced insanity"

You said it Bob


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: The White Stripes

I like The White Stripes, I have all their albums and I like the new one "Elephant" the best followed by the last one-"White Blood Cells". Amanda, I like their version of "One More Cup Of Coffee" and also their versions of "St James Infirmary Bues" and "Stop Breaking Down". I'm not crackers about them but I do really like certain songs. I likes "Dead Leaves And The Dirty Ground" and I love "Ball And Biscuit" from the new album, they remind me of a kind of garage Zeppelin on occasion.

They recorded "Elephant" at Toerag studios in London (UK), it's a great studio, I've recorded there myself, it's an eight track and all the gear is old analog (all pre 1963 apparently)stuff. The guy who runs the place does all the enginneering, hes name is Liam Watson, a really eccentric guy who wears a white lab technicians coat in the studio and breaks for tea every half hour on the dot like some old EMI engineer, he really knows how to get the best from the place. I hear that The White Stripes recorded their album for £6000 so their mark up should be pretty good! I think the studio will probably go up in price now as I expect everyone will want to use it! Anyway, there's some trivia for ya.


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Posted by:

Mystery

Subject: Ooops

Sorry brain dead at the end of the day/week. Lucinda Williams is GREAT. She released a new album this week. Mystery to myself


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Posted by:

Jim

Location: Masachusetts

Subject: Johnny D's Sommerville

Anyone going to Johnny D's in Sommerville, MA Sat night? Hope to see some of you there!!


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Posted by:

Mystery

Location: Chicago

Subject: Tony from Chicago

Tony,

I understand. My recommendation: You need to get some really good headphones, turn off the lights and put on the Brown Album/cd, close your eyes and really get into the music. I loved the reference to Elvis C but he ain't a new dog either.

There are very very few people producing music that is as complex on as many levels as you will find on Band Albums. If you don't hate Robbie Robertson, try listening to Redboy. What makes it current is the way it is put together and of course, the inclusion of electronica .

Sorry, but as a native Chicagoan, the music of our most recent representative, Billy Corigan, makes me want to burn down our beautiful city again. He is a whiny whiny bubble-head. I can't say that there has been a great deal of music that has caught my ear recently.

On a completely different tangent: If you like real punk (Patti Smith, MC5, Ramones, Iggy) you might want to check out the Ravonettes. They could go either way sell out commericalism crap or interesting.

Not new but good listening if you are feeling mellow: Cowboy Junkies. Where are you going in town for live music?


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Posted by:

WALLY

Location: NY

Subject: JTULL

Thanks JTULL, tell him I am an alien ok?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Listening to..,

Just bought the White Stripes, Elephant cd, so that's in the rotation as well as Richard Thompson's Action Packed, Uncle Tupelo- Anthology, Yes - Close to the Edge and The Crash Test Dummies first - The Ghosts That Haunt Me Now.


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Posted by:

WALLY

Location: NY

Subject: I AM SORRY

BASSMENLEE -- You make very valid points, your right. its not about any of that and its about all of it depending on who you chose to believe. The common thread about Saddam and Bin Ladin is that they want us dead. Any way they can make it happen would be fine with them. I dont think anyone could argue that, the difference in the way the right and the left think is clear. Take your pick. I for one am glad we are going after these people the way we are, there are others that would not chose this way. This is personal to me, I lost a brother that I will never get back, ever. I am sorry I lashed out at Ben, Ben you have a right to what you think and feel, but understand there are people out here that what you think and feel hurts them. Yes Ben, you hurt me. I also have a right to think and feel as I do. So I am glad we got these bastards out of Iraq, dont care much about the politics involved, I will leave that to folks much smarter than me. When they do get their hands on Bin Ladin and they will, I will be the first one on line to throw the switch. I was a peace loving man, I am no longer.


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Posted by:

Mystery

Location: Chicago
Web: My link

Subject: Generosity and response to John W

The GB is amazing as are the folks that use it.

I want to acknowledge the generosity of Tracy who made it possible for me to finally see the PBS documentary Making a Noise.

The brilliant folks who decide on programming chose NOT to air it. I spent the years since then looking for it, writing letters to PBS and every few months would post on the GB if anyone knew how I could get my hands on it.

Tracy came through for me!! I got to see it last night. Wow. People can be crappy and then someone goes out of their way in an act of kindness and sadly I am blown away by this. So would you all help me spread some of that goodness around by some act of random kindness.

To John W: Check out www.jazzitude.com jazz web site that has lots of info as well as a section on Louisiana that is pretty cool. Great stuff on The Dr/Mack R

For Band Fans - a good review you may not have seen at the web link above.

Mystery


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: music mags

just to give you guys a flavour of whats on offer here.we've got Mojo,Uncut,Record collector and this new one, Word,for serious music fans.metal heads can enjoy the weekly Kerrang and the monthly Metal Hammer. there's Q which used to be good but is now shite apart from the one off specials they do. we have nme every week along with various monthly indie mags such as rock sound. there's terrorizer for extreme metal fans and smash hits for teen pop lovers. lovers of classic 70's bands such as yes,bad co. and deep purple can enjoy an excellent monthly mag called suprise suprise,classic rock.there's also loads of country mags as well plus all the technical stuff.its a wonder anything ever gets done over here with all that lot to chew through. goodnight.rich.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: What I'm listening to

In response to Tony's post -- currently in rotation in my listening room:

I mentioned two new CDs in my earlier post today, "World Without Tears" / Lucinda Williams and "Rainy Day Music" / Jayhawks. Since I spend a lot of time combing used records stores, I'm always trying to get around to playing a few recent LP acquisitions. This week I've been listening to Tony Joe White's self-titled 1971 Warner Bros. album recorded in Memphis & produced by Peter Asher. A fine collection of songs, as these two titles might suggest -- "They Caught The Devil And Put Him In Jail In Eudora, Arkansas" and "A Night In The Life Of A Swamp Fox". In addition, I've been listening to the late, great Arthur Alexander's 1972 come-back album, also recorded in Memphis for Warner Bros. What a marvelous singer, and I'm often reminded of how much Allen Toussaint's singing sounds close to that of Mr. Alexander's smooth style. Both of these LPs are WB green label pressings, which are known for their overall great sound.

I'm also in the middle of doing a comparison between three different vinyl pressings of The Band "brown album". Even though I've listened to this recording countless times over the years, I still discover new nuances with each listen. This is a mark of a truly great album, that ages like fine wine in oaken barrels & keeps getting better.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: My perfect pre-Band Guilty Pleasures CD

All I Really Want To Do-The Byrds

98.6-Keith

Bright Elusive Butterfly of Love-Bob Lind

Red Rubber Ball-Cyrkle

Gentle On My Mind-Glen Campbell

I Saw Her Again-The Mamas & The Papas

Everything That Touches You-Association

Walk Away Renee-Left Banke

Mornin' Girl-Neon Philharmonic

And Your Bird Can Sing-Beatles

A Girl Like You-Young Rascals

Going Out of My Head--Little Anthony & The Imperials

The Look of Love-Dusty Springfield


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Posted by:

John W.

Tony - I am listening to "Live in Paris" by Grammy winner Diana Krall. Now the girlfriend of Elvis Costello. In fact the two of them showed up the other night and sang "Crazy" with Willie Nelson at Willie's birthday bash in New York (look for this song on her next album), and she does "You'll Never Know" on the soundtrack of the upcoming Michael Douglas film "It Runs In the Family." I'm not a huge jazz fan but this woman is awesome.

Also Government Mule - "Deep End Vol. 2", and a great Springsteen CD a friend culled off the Internet containing only stuff from the 2002-2003 tour.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: New Rock Magazines

I just happened across this link to a Simon Warner article from the website "Rock's Backpages."


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Levon and The Hombres in Somerville, MA

Howdy. Could we get a show of hands for those who plan to attend the Last Hombres with Levon on Saturday night in Somerville, MA at Johnny D's? I'll be there, probably sporting my "Sip The Wine" T-shirt. Hopefully Levon will sign my copy of This Wheel's On Fire. I know Ruby is going, and I'll recognize her. We all should try to get a table together, hang out, etc. Have a little Guestbook party. Looking forward to it! -LDO


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Posted by:

Tony

Location: chicago- where the seasons change hourly

Subject: whatcha listening to?

I love all the political talk, but I'm not gonna get involved, I'd rather listen (read?), it's more entertaining.

Not at all to make light of current events, but I'd like to know what everyone's listening to these days. I find it hard to be in love with The Band and incorporate my interest with more contemporary music fans (that's why I'm so thankful for this site and all of you enthusiastic, enlightened fans). By that I mean, music moves on. The Band unfortunately is no more and their legacy, while a treasure (daily), is not fresh- current. People have said things to me like 'Oh they're from the past, get over it.' So lately I've really been trying to expand my horizons and give the "new" music a shot. Funny thing is, I keep coming back to the old stuff. Anyway I just want to throw out a few things I've been spinning lately and please comment and tell me what you have all been playing.

The only "new" artists in my heavy rotation are Coldplay-their new one is like a piano lovers dream, very soulful and passionate (btw I think I remember the lead singer Chris Martin speaking fondly of The Band) and also Ryan Adams- I just like his attitude, melancholy punk with a twang, good songwriter. I've recently caught on to The Flaming Lips- very interesting, probably not for everyone but good.

An older artist still out there doing it is Peter Wolf (from J.Geils). I've become a huge fan of his more recent stuff. His newest, "Sleepless", includes Tony Garnier (bass) and Larry Campbell (great multi-instumentalist) from Dylan's band, not to mention a great cameo from Mick and Keith. Wonderful duet with Mick and Peter. On a Stones note, I've dug back into their material from Sticky Fingers/Let it Bleed/Exile period. Amazing that they released some of their best at the same time The Band was at the top of their game. Stones song I can't go a day without listening to right now: "Moonlight Mile" (a recent movie of the same name had a great tearjerking scene using the song)- "I am just living to be lying by your side"- I mean WHAT A GREAT LINE!

Tell me what you think, love it, hate it, wanna tell me to go to hell, step on down to the GB and tell us how you really feel.

that's all for me. WHAT IS SO FUNNY ABOUT PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Music Mags.

Goldmine is the most worthwhile as far as I am concerned. The rest seem to be merely fashion mags ala RollingStone. Like radio, the music press is so splintered that band websites can give info. to fans directly, but of course this only helps established acts and does nothing for breaking out new ones.


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Posted by:

b_lee

Subject: An apology and a question.

Woa, not my best typing job there. Sorry.

Are there any decent music magazines in the States? Rolling Stone has been a basket case for years, and Musician is sorely missed. The Stereo mags are all about Home Theater now. I've sung the praises of Sing Out! many times, but it's focus is deep but narrow. Any suggestions?


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Web: My link

Subject: And it's 1, 2, 3...

Jeff (PutEmUp), has no one told you that reasoned discourse in not allowed in here? Gut reactions only, please ! :o) (Amen, brother, Amen.)/n I've been sitting through these days of war in anguish, abhorring the policy while quietly rooting for this new generation of professional warriors, wishing them Godspeed on their mission, and worrying like hell about the long term consequences. My stomach roils every time I hear one of them - or their loved ones - say "the road home is through Baghdad, so that's where we have to go". If only I believed it were so.

The point that is not being raised is that this is not about "Blood for Oil" on one hand, or ridding the world of Al Quida on the other, nor is it about deposing very bad dictator who mistreats and suppresses his people, or his sons who may be the Devil's own spawn. (Although it's a welcome side-effect.) It has nothing to do with 9/11, Wally, other than it's a way to lash out at someone and be seen as doing something. (BTW, 'those camps' were in the no-fly zone, so what is the reason that we couldn't have 'taken them out' as soon as they were discovered?)

The TRUTH is that this war has been in the planning since 1991, and has been openly on the agenda of the Project For The New American Century since it's inception in 1997, and is merely a stepping stone in their grand plan of re-making the world in our image. (PNAC founders include Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfield, and Paul Wolfowitz a.k.a 'Wolfowitz of Arabia', among others.) You could look it up.

While the NeoConservatives and Republican pundits gloat and bash the Liberal brie-loving panty-waists (on the very "Liberal Media" that they're always on about), effectively quashing any who dare criticize our policies or motives as they build their one-party state, please listen carefully for the clues to what the rest of the iceberg contains. Every time you hear the word 'Syria', touch your left ear. Every time you hear the word 'Iraq', right ear(see link above). Soon you will think your are dancing the Hokey-Pokey and maybe then you will turn yourself about.

(Hey, it's the title of an RT song...I worked in something musical after all.)


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: new music

Two fine new albums were released this week, "World Without Tears" from Lucinda Williams and "Rainy Day Music" from the Jayhawks.

Although I'm a longtime admirer of Ms. Williams' work, it's taking a few listens for the dark, brooding songs on her new CD to grow on me. She has clearly refined her songwriting craft to a new level in distilling her thoughts & emotions. The resulting songs are like Mason jars filled with clear, but bitterly strong, backwoods moonshine made for sipping on cold, dark nights.

On the other hand, the bouncy new tunes from the Jayhawks grabbed me at the get-go. The group has returned to prime form with a blend of country rock & British pop. Ethan Johns contributes both his production & instrumental skills. Mr. Johns is not the only notable son who shows up to lend a hand; Chris Stills & Jakob Dylan also make appearances. The talented Matthew Sweet makes a cameo also. Bottom line is that the new one from the Jayhawks brings rays of sunshine & breaths of fresh, warm air to the cold & musty damp days of recent rain.


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Posted by:

Bill

What fascinates me about the Rascals is all the links, mostly indirect, among them, Levon and the Hawks, John Hammond, Jimi Hendrix and Spirit. Three Rascals were in Joey Dee and the Starlighters, who were produced by Henry Glover for Roulette around the same time as Glover was recording our guys for Roulette. After the future Rascals left Dee, Hendrix signed on as guitarist. Then he left to form the Blue Flames with Randy California, later of Spirit. The Blue Flames for a time backed John Hammond, who for a time was backed by the Hawks - who were once again recording for Henry Glover.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: best uk live band+word mag.

jq. older rock fans tell me that the kinks were blowing everyone off the stage in 1964. yes peter we have yet another music/film/book mag on the market.it seems to be ex mojo writers who've set the whole thing up. the first issue had nick cave as its centrepiece.it looks pretty good but i have my doubts as to whether an already saturated uk mag.market can sustain yet another new magazine on the scene.cheers.rich.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Van Morrison & Them

Did anybody here get to see Van Morrison and Them circa 1964? I was listening to a compilation from those guys, that era, and it sounded like they would have been a great club show. Like Levon & The Hawks in that time. Anybody GBers still around from then? If not Van & Them, who had the reputaion as the best live band in UK & Ireland in 1964?


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Posted by:

John W.

Pat B. - You right, I guess I opened a Pandora's Box and it was nice to read about only music for a while. What a sad state our world is in. Let's just hope we can somehow avoid what is shaping up to be a clash of civilizations. If these Muslim Fundamentalists continue with the WTC-type attacks, it won't matter if we are French or American or Chicken Hawk or Liberal. They are out to get us all. French will know it when they hit the Louvre or CDG Airport. Even Ben Pike will know it when they hit someplace in Texas. Yet how the hell do we fight this enemy without being seen as a colonizing force? They can't even show the flag in Iraq for Christ's sake. Millions of Muslims, not particularly fond of Saddam anyway, are outraged at the "infidels soiling sacred Arab lands" by their mere presence. Maybe I'm pessimistic but the future looks a bit scary.

I will always connect The Band and The Rascals (along with Creedence) because they were my favorite groups back in the late '60's / early '70's (wish I was that young again) before the Grateful Dead and Bruuuce took over the scene. Connection: Saw Levon once at the new Lone Star Roadhouse, standing in the crowd, a guy standing next to me watching the show. It was Gene Cornish.


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Posted by:

Yowza

Location: Fox News

Subject: Ben Pike Adjust the Meds Please


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Posted by:

Joe

All this talk of the Rascals really brings me back. Remember how Dino use to snap his head while playing the drums? How many songs did Felix use the word "ecstasy" in? The sound of Felix's B-3 just screamin' and whirlin'. Good times for sure.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pat,

Yeah, but this was still mild compared to previous outbreaks and it seems to have run its' course.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

john w and jtullfan, I rest my case.

Sorry I missed the Rascals/Hawks quiz. Very interesting. How about musicians with a Rascals-Band link?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Wally,

What you are witnessing is 'selective memory'. This person derides everything as 'fake' that which does not neatly fit into his convenient world view, but stretches to unbelievable lengths to accomodate every conspiracy theory, no matter how unlikely, bizarre, or excreble.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Bear Ass Neckid

Grizzly Bear

I'm gonna tell y'a little story 'bout a grizzly bear,
Tell y'a little story 'bout a grizzly bear.
Well, a great big grizzly, grizzly bear,
A great big grizzly, grizzly bear.

Well, my mama was a-scared of that grizzly bear,
My mama was a-scared on that grizzly bear.
So my Daddy went a-huntin' for that grizzly bear,
My Daddy went a-huntin' for that grizzly bear.

He had long, long hair that grizzly bear,
He had long, long hair that grizzly bear.
He had big, blue eyes that grizzly bear,
He had big, blue eyes that grizzly bear.

Well, he looked everywhere for that grizzly bear,
He looked everywhere for that grizzly bear.
But he couldn't find that great big grizzly bear,
He couldn't find that great big grizzly bear.

So my mama's not a-scared of that grizzly bear,
My mama's not a-scared of that grizzly bear.
That great big grizzly, grizzly bear,
That great big grizzly, grizzly bear.

Nobody knows where it came from
or who wrote it ...
maybe you ole-man Roz ???

Just Tryin To Help
Tiny Monster

P.S.

... This just in;

Rap icon and reported gang rep Snoop Doggie-Dawg
and his car full of body guards were shot up in their
vehicle by three gunmen who pulled up along side
their car at an LA intersection.
Snoop-Dawg is reported to be fine while one of his
body guards was shot in the back.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.



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Posted by:

WALLY

Subject: BEN

Ben-Fuck you, you are a coward that has no Idea what your talking about, you are an ignorant man, Ben. Fake post? I only wish that was true, I could still be with my BROTHER


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Diamond/Cavaliere

Bill: I didn't know that Nei Diamond sang with Felix. I happen to like some of Diamond's music. Not a very popular thing to admit here (LOL)

JL7688@aol.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Answer to Jerry on Tull

Jerry, I share your views of the Aqualung album. It is inconsistant and the better parts have been overplayed to death. Part of the inconsistancy is the recording studio; Tull were among the first to use the 'state of the art' Chateu D'Heurville studios (pardon my spelling)and they were never fully satisfied with the results, as the bugs were not yet worked out of the recording equipment. Also, due to the popularity of the album, Tull have been both blessed and burdened by the typecast this has caused them, as Aqualung represents but one of their many musical phases. So, my recommendations: Early Tull: Stand Up (1969)Midperiod: Songs From The Wood and Heavy Horses (1977 & 1978)'A' from 1980 represents the beginning of the Dave Pegg era (1979-1995) and Eddie Jobson on keyboards/electric violin. This is Tull meets the '80's but the songs are strong. Late period: 1991's Catfish Rising features strong songs with heavy use of folk, jazz, and blues. A sleeper album and highly recommended. 1992's A Little Light Music is Tull unplugged live with Fairport Convention's Dave Mattacks filling in on drums. No keyboards, just 4 guys playing minimilistically. Great cover of John Barleycorn. 1995's Roots to Branches is considered Tull's best album since their prime, and is heavily into Jazz, Blues, and World music influences. This would top my list for you. 1999's JTull Dot Com continues in this direction as well. The 2000 Ian solo Secret Language of Birds is more acoustic, with appearances by current Tull members as well as Gerry Conway, currently of Fairport. Highly recommended again. Last years Living With The Past DVD is worth a visit; it includes a reunion performance of the original Tull lineup from 1968: Ian, Mick Abrahams, Glenn Cornick, and Clive Bunker. Current Tull news: 2003 tour is underway, Clive Bunker just released a solo album, Matt Pegg (Dave's son) is with Procol Harum and plays on their new album, Ian and Martin Barre are working on solo albums, and a Tull Christmas album is about to go into recording, featuring some new originals and covers. CAUTION: Tull's catalog is in the process of being remastered. Many remasters are already available on Amazon. THere can be discerned by the presence of bonus tracks, all previously released on the 1988 box set '20 Years', although one or two are previously unheard.


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Posted by:

Bill

If McCartney should get Lennon's royalties because he's still standing, then Robbie should get Richard's royalties for the songs they cowrote, right? Wrong. Very very wrong.


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Posted by:

Bill

Joe: I know he's not a former Hawk, but Neil Diamond sang in a pre-Rascals doo-wop group with Felix Cavaliere, according to the liner notes to the Rhino comp that I have.


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Rascal/Hawk Trivia

Congrats Jan !! You win the cigar. I made the mistake, and realized it, after I posted, of using the word "sang" instead of "performed" in the question. It may have made a difference. "Sang" definately limited the choices. Yes, we all lived within a mile of each other in those days. Felix lived 2 blocks from me. The area was a deep well of talent. Some day I'm going to do a list of performers from the area.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Pretty Good Looking For A Girl

I like the White Stripes. Have you heard them cover "One More Cup of Coffee"?


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Rascals/Hawks

Hm. The (early) Rascals had three singers: Felix Cavaliere (also on keyboards), Eddie Brigati (percussionist ) and Gene Cornish (guitar). Also, David Brigati sang background vocals with them.

Gene Cornish is the only Canadian among these guys (the others are from NJ and NY), so it could be him. But probably not, since he is not mentioned in Levon's or Hoskyns' book (and he is not listed among the Hawks/Band members on this site, either).

My guess is Bruce Bruno, then, who performed with Levon and the Hawks occasionally from 1963 to 1965 (Bruno came from New Rochelle, NY, "around the corner" from Felix Cavaliere's home town Pelham). Correct?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: White Stripes

Heard a couple songs by this guy girl band. Very edgy, garage band kind of stuff. Guitar playing is simple, biting and rock-n-roll. Probably my next purchase!


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Rascal/Hawks Trivia

I'm 99.9% sure of this...but will have to confirm it. Which former member of the Hawks sang with Felix Cavaliere in their early years? Excuse me if I'm wrong, I'll check on it soon.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Jerry ...

Was that for me love?

Dave asked me for some obscure blues lyrics but all I'm thinking about tonite is how my dad used to get me up to go to school, put on my clothes, eat food I didn't like and so forth by singing the "Grizzley Bear Song" It was the first song I ever learned. I didn't know where it came from. He learned it bustin' rock in a mean old Texas prison. I musta got my timing from him. The song has a million verses, a trillion .. Dad used to make them up as he went along.

He used to love them mashed potatoes now (grizzley bear)
He had a 59 Ford now (grizzley bear)
He had three little kids now (grizzley bear)....
And he loved them very much now (grizzley bear) and so on and so on.

Daddy would sing the "big words" as we called them and we done the grizzley bear part. Well I did. Does everybody know that song? I can paint it down here if ya ain't. Happy Birthday Dad.

Mr. Viney - Thanks for correcting me on that. I've got brand new shiny respect for you folks over there. All Americans do I hope. It mighty deserving.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: Tull Fan

I bought the Aqualung cd a couple months ago, and although I gave it a listen then, for some reasen I'm just now really getting into it...

So if I was going to buy some more Tull, what would you suggest....

Roz..hun you owe me...........


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

"And I can't help falling in Love with you"


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: War, France & then … MUSIC

Wow. We get through three weeks of serious conflict, where we’re all glued to the news, and everyone respects the fact that this is a music site not a political forum. Then once it looks on the way to being over, BAM. Pages of politics. And what’s the PV wing, Ben? The Plague on Both Their Houses party doesn’t have wings. Just depression. (BUT it was almost worth it for the Bush, Dick & Colon line which I hadn’t heard before).

Much as I enjoy Roz’s colourful turns of phrase, even though I disagree with the politics, there has been a strong suspicion that the defaced war graves in France (which were British incidentally) were not the work of the local population. Chirac apologized personally to the Queen immediately and profusely. The fact that they appeared overnight and that press photographers with Nikons happened to be standing there in this obscure rural spot just as it got light was considered suspicious. The bottom end of the Murdoch Empire, ‘The Sun,’ has been doing stunts like this on France for weeks. I couldn’t avoid a smirk at The Sun front page when they had pictures of Saddam and Chirac side by side with ‘One of these men is corrupt, a liar and an enemy of Western civilisation, and the other is Saddam Hussein.’ Yeah, Chirac’s an arsehole, and there is a lot of financial stuff behind it – whether the new Iraq will go to work in Fords or Renaults, basically. Though I’m sure Tony’s hoping to palm the unluckier ones off with the odd Rover. However, France is historically an ally and a friend. And don’t try any of these ‘cowardice’ stories on relatives of the French resistance in WW2. Us Francophiles (that’s me and you, Serge, oddly enough) have got to stick together.

BUT in caps, this is a music site. Another 5.1 release – 28th April sees the release of The Wall on DVD with a 5.1 remix. This sees The Band with Roger Waters (well, that’s just Garth), Sinead O’Connor and Van Morrison. They’re listed as ‘ with Bryan Adams, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison AND MORE’. And a whole lot more.

Roger Waters, like Bruce Hornsby, has the distinction of having performed with both the 90s Band (on The Wall) and Robbie on the encore ‘Baby what You Want Me To Do’ at the Seville Guitar Legends concert.

I was never that into The Wall … but completism rears its ugly head. On which, the new British magazine “Word” is beginning to look like a subscription item – joining Mojo, Uncut, Empire and Record Collector. Q has just dropped out so there’s space. It has a slightly wider scope – more books and TV as well as the expected music, film & DVD. The latest (#3) has a strong McCartney piece as well as Lucinda Williams. The last had Elvis Costello, ‘The Office’ and the IPod. I missed the first.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Roz: geez, you made me feel guilty gal... btw my wife says I'm doing my best to lose the house by year end... but the good news is I'm sober... well, make that chemical free... alcohol free... but still slap happy... anyway, just got done watching Rust Never Sleeps... while slopping paint around... I like the Thrasher too... but can you quote me some obscure blues?... and we won't sink any lower tonight... err, this morning... damn, look at the time... gotta go catch a couple winks...


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Alcoholism and mental illness= The ideal Fox News Viewer. Dave Z, I congradulate you on what seems to be a controlled experiment in rationality. Frankly, I'm not overly optimistic, but it's the thought that counts. For you "tit for tat" types, (THE PV WING), I suggest you chew on Roz's posts, and don't forget them when the casualty lists roll in.

And Band fans dipping in to these critic faves the White Stripes? I'm skeptical, but as far as new artists you always have to hold out hope...


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Posted by:

roz

Rollie-Jeff You have a beautiful rich bluegrass singing voice.

Dave - Hell man, I don't look down on nobody cause there ain't nobody under me. You got kids? You got a wife and stuff? I got an empty apartment. I ain't allowed to drink cause it interferes with the other stuff I consume and once I start I can't stop. I got a cupboard filled with half-empty bourbon bottles and a drawer filled with ... I walk around quoting movie dialogue to myself.. old Bette Davis, Vivien Leigh, Barbara Stanwick.. I got a town that don't want me. I got an air-conditioner I have to oil myself, a gate with a broken hinge and this ... place. I got no man in my life because I have extremes in my personality, meaning, when I give it to one guy I am compelled to give to all guys, perferably all at once. Made me a very popular girl at one time.

Bitters and blue ruin
I've seen it all ...
I've seen it all thru the yellow windows of the evening train...

Tiny Monster - I don't speak french. Could you please translate? Whatever it means I hope it has something to do with lovin'..keep it clean roz...you keep it clean.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Chris Rock (for Roz)

Easy there Rosalind my sweetie -pie! Here,maybe this will ease the congestion! Subject: Quote of the Day "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?" -Chris Rock


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: General Wesley "Horse's ass" Clark

Surely you can quote someone better than that guy. Everybody knows what and who he is. Waco? Serbia? The guy who throws tamtrums if he don't get his shoes spit shined while he's on the john. Oh yeah..He's one of Clinton's pals ... Is he still runnin for pres in 2004? It wouldn't take much to sink him, all we'd have to do was drag out his record.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey Roz... let's assume you are right... and all these damn liberals really are idiots... in fact, let's assume they get soooo behind they no longer have an effective voice... and become just a joke... some say we are there now anyway... well, answer me this... who the f@#$%k you gonna look down at then?... welfare lovers make better mothers... da da da da... da da de da das... I can see th' harrassers coming... da do da do da do dah dah... but seriously Roz, I luv your passion... especially when you at least touch on music or movies... and I'm just ranting because I really wanted to drag my hetero white ass down to Northfield to catch Winona LaDuke and the Indigo Girls... but heck, the kids wore me out today... and then I gotta come in here to relax, and read this sh@#$t... and dag nabit, it looks like I can't do the math for Toronto in late May... so woeeeeeee!!!! Anyway, your post touched a nerve because while I'm saying God bless the troops I'm also thinking... I wish they wouldn't sit smuggly in Saddam's chair that way... that spooks us good liberals... and hey, I wonder if Pete Rose still wants to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame.... because obviously it can't be the macho place to be if it's afraid of a little ole' Susan Sarandan... and Bull Durham... so, for the newcomer who asked which Band CD to buy... get Cahoots!!!... and play Where Do We Go From Here?... over and over... real loud until it sounds like Link Wray... and then quick switch over and play that snake by the lake track... shout "my Viney Serge over the ocean" three times... and jump back into the fray here... ala cattle rattle wall... Al, come on man, I know I'm an idiot but the mullet was bad good bad... and btw, I now envision you as the lead singer of Men Without Hats With Mullets... wearing star seequints on your Macca silk shirt... and since nobody is with me now... I'll just say... nice post Jeff... annnnd... I think I'm freakin' out paranoid and I'm gonna schedule a haircut 1st thing tomorrow...... and Mary (bear), I hope your (cub) is OK... the F15 pilots that are still missing are in my brother-in-laws squadron... anyway, it's the serious stuff out there that scares me right now...


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Sorrry ,but............

Sorry to befoul the GB atmosphere with more war rhetoric, but here's an interesting excerpt from the above link. Interesting reading for pro and anti war folks alike.. "While the hawks were squawking their war chants, the antiwar movement was drawing its queues from the voices of moderation. General Wesley Clark offered a sentiment that has been prominent in much of the antiwar community. Clark said that privately even the "hawks" in the US government acknowledged that Iraq was no threat to America. And he warned that war might not be the most effective way of dealing with President Saddam. "You can get a strategically decisive result without having to use strategically decisive and destructive military power if you bring in the elements of the international law and the full diplomatic weight of the international community," he said. "If we were able to do that in Iraq we would have a much better result of not just in taking down Saddam Hussein's regime but in controlling proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, in preventing the inflammation of the Arab world and in dealing with the aftermath in Iraq," Clark told the BBC."


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: French ... uh ... War

Did I ever tell you the one about going to war without France? ... Like going hunting without your accordion ...

BIG kiss Rozlyn ~ ; ^ )

Faites la guerre d'amour pas



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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Hey Mullah

What are ya raggin' on CNN for man, they're on your side. And they weren't dragging the head of Saddam through the streets of Baghdad, they were riding the head of Saddam through the streets of Baghdad. it was Saddam who done the draggin'... but not any more.

Thank you Poland! Thank You Australia! Thank You Spain! Thank you Tony Blair and those fabulous British soldiers that done that work over there. Another reason to love those Brits! If Tony Blair loses his job over yonder there's a place for him right here in the Good Ol' USA ! ! !


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Clinton's balls

Yeah Clinton had balls but we couldn't find them because they were always stuffed in somebody's mouth.

Tiny Monster - You Angel You. I missed you too baby ...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... ROSALIND'S BACK !!! ...

... HOLY CRAP !?!? ROSALIND'S BACK ... HI ROZ !!!

Good to see ya girl ...
I missed ya ...
Don't go away,
it's really boring without'cha here ...

Hurled-Peas-Out



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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Hey Mary/bear - have you heard from your son?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jeff

Bravo........couldn't have said it better.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Wally= typical fake internet post. You have to tone it down if you want it to be believable, try TWO dead friends and three weeks of funerals. Why not try "I voted for Nader" just for some varity? And if you are so bent out of shape about 9-11, why aren't you bent out of shape about the way Bush and co. have tried their damnest to sweep any investigation under the carpet? You know, a bi-partisan "what went wrong" kinda thing, like they had after PEARL HARBOR, back in the day when their were responsable conservatives in this country. As for your reference to "camps"; I don't know what Shepard Smith is feeding the sheep, but nobody credible thought Iraq was much of a threat terrorism wise, not for the last ten years, anyway. What we have seen is just how weakened they have been by sanctions and Saddam's own folly. Finally, I know there are some REAL 9-11 friends and family that DO have these views. I also know there are many who do not.

Roz, your historical ah, account of the French in WWII wins the Butch Belch Jingoism Award of the week. He's still way ahead of you though, you need to work in some racism is your are really going to challenge da man.

My Clinton spin on Milosovic? A fair question. The diference is pretty clear, Saddam had allready been put in his cage. Milosvic was on the run, moving into new places where he had already shown how terrible he could be. Saddam was weak and getting weaker. Not to mention the Bidness conflict of intrests we will (hopefully) continue to hear about re: The Enron Gang. Still worth it? Who can ever say for sure. But every Fox News watching chump better take a look at that kid with no arms and then tell me so.

PV, I would conclude our Richard Thompson exchange simply by saying again, try "Mirror Blue" or the "Action Packed" set.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: How's It Goin ? ...

Hey everyone! .. I haven't had time to check in for awhile. What's up with The Band these days ? ...

Damn war's takin up all my time ...

... ? ...

Well ... Peace Y'all ...



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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Dubya ?

Wally, first off, let me extend my hand in friendship first, and express my sorrow for your loss and the losses of everyone who lost family and friends in the world trade center terrorist attack. I do have to offer a differing thought to your final comment. While I am not saying I agree or disagree totally with the rest of your post, your last line "Thank God W won" jumps out at me.

While I agree that Saddam had to go, I do not believe that W won. I must say that i am not sure that you believe that or meant to post that thought exactly that way. The military of the United States of America won. W did not serve, and I have read pieces that point out that he was equal to a documented deserter. Certainly, he appears to be the bullyish sort, better in a crowd than on his own. I do not think that he has the military mind or the intellectual capacity to plan a campaign if he had to. And as far as decision making goes, I do not trust him either. The Pentagon really runs the show in times like this. So in reality, you should be thanking the Pentagon and the military.

My take on this is that he just happnened to be president now. Another view that I must entertain is whether there could have been a conspiracy to set this chain of events off now that he was president? Anything is possible. When people steal the presidency, no telling what they will do next. Many people believe Bush knew something was going to happen, just did not know the magnitude. How would that make you feel were it true? I find it hard to believe myself, but it seems nothing is impossible in this world. But it is real unlikely that the trade center bombings could happen, no? And why is Bush blocking investigations? Like you pointed out that you voted for Gore and Clinton, I must point out that I was not against this war.

If there was no conspiracy involving Bush participation in the trade center bombings, and that was not a precursor set up to help put the US in a mindset ready for a war, then things are a little different. Would another President have gone after Saddam now. Maybe yes, maybe no. Could another President have led the country through this as well. of course. Any President with the determination to see this through and the belief in the necessity would have had the support of the pentagon and pushed for the war. The knowledge that the president had would of been available to any President. We are not privy to all the info that the president was, so we can't really say hwether we think we know what another president would of done with that info. Now, do I think Clinton had balls? Yes, absolutely. Could Clinton lead the country in war? Absolutely. The only reservations I have about Gore are that he did not have the fortitude to embrace Clinton during his own campaign for President. Gore won the election, and had it stolen from him. I think he wouldof won by a greater margin, had he had the balls to stick with his former boss, and let Clinton campaign for him.

I can't say enough, that W did not win this war. THe military of the United States won. W did not lead it. He is the leader in title, but I do not believe that he is the leader in spirit. The spirit of the military of the United States is still one that believes it is fighting for freedom. I am not so sure that Bush's understanding of freedom is the same as that of the majority of the people in the United States military. And I also believe that the poiceman, firemnen, port authority officers, and court officers who died trying to help people out of the world trade centers were also made of much more legitimate and heroic fibers and beliefs than our current president, George W Bush.


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: The Real World

Subject: Lies!!!!!

The scenes of Saddam's statue being toppled and the supposed jubilant crowds dragging the head through the streets of Baghdad are in fact a complete fabrication by the CIA and CNN. This socalled "historic moment" was videotaped several months ago on a Bollywood soundstage in New Delhi with Indian film actors and extras posing as Iraqis.

At this very moment Saddam's military forces are slaughtering the invaders of Global America like so many dogs as they attempt to cross into Iraq from several directions and Saddam and his sons are busy at work on a victory speech!

Jihad! Jihad! Allah akbar! - God is great!!!!!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Which Wars are the good ones?

I was never in favor of going to war with Iraq. I don't like the precedent that I think may be being set - regime toppling. On the other hand I have no problem with finally putting an end to this drama that has been playing out for 12 years. We have done a marvelous and efficient job in winning this thing with (not to marginalize) little loss of life. Of course the true success will come in establishing a working democracy (history shows this won't work in the long run). Now as I come to my point (shoeeewee), There are always folks who are going to protest war. Liberal wars will be fought by the Repubs and vice versa. Rollie made an intersting point - not anti war (per se) but against this one. Which wars are the good ones? You can't say WWII because history and retrospect don't count - of the wars that have been waged in your own time (this goes for everyone) which wars are the just ones? And Ben! I'd be very interested in your view and your spin on why Clinton was justified in keeping our boys in Somalia and is the ousting of Milosovic from Croatia/Kosovo etc.., any more valid than taking out Saddam? Just curious.., so if your reading this with a certain vent - it's a question, not an attack, so just take a deep breath and relax - {well maybe that last sentence was a little dig}


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Posted by:

Clayton

Subject: Reviews

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll be picking up "The Basement Tapes" tomorrow. It's been strange that since I began listening to "The Band" I have lost interest in some other artists, and just have a hunger for more "Band". Thanks again.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Fucking Amen ! When the time comes you liberal pacifist ninnies won't even fight in your own back yards. You'll stand shivering by your garden gates pissing your pants and whining "Why? Why? Why?" just like the Frenchie C___S______ you are ! The only French who got shot during WW2 are the ones who got shot in the back running away from the Germans as Hitler moved in and woulda took their country right out from under them. They would have stood by and let it all happen just like you all would have. I got two of my mother's favorite brothers lying under Normandy beach with filthy French asses sittin' on them and we got protesters in France digging up American graves and telling us to take our rubbish back. If any of you here protested this war out in the street you oughta be next to be shot to hell! You know why? Because America's worst enemy is right here in our streets! Liberals are the bitches of the world and just like every bitch you need to be slapped down. The silent majority in this country has spoken and no matter how much you whine and protest it ain't gonna change. Liberalism is dead, it's dead or dying just like that generation it grew out of. You can take those peace symbols and those two fingers you people always have stuck in the air and shove them right up your asses cause the sxties are over Man! It's time to Roll!


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Posted by:

WALLY

Location: NEW YORK

Subject: BEN PIKE AND WAR

Ok Ben, Here is a little info for you. My Brother died in the World Trade Center, He went to work at Cantor/Fitzgerald to try to feed his family,and was murdered. He died a horrible firey death. I lost 3 other friends and two firefighters that I knew from town. My house was filled with the smoke and smell of burning flesh from that. My children smelled their uncle dying. We went to funerals for months and months. I am soooo glad that my Brothers grave is now everyones tourist attraction. I know the liberal argument, "Saadam had nothing to do with 9/11" So why the training camps in the North smart guy? And how about the 200,000 Kurds he gassed? All the tortured Iraqis? How about his son Oday rapeing woman anytime he felt like it? I guess the liberal bent will spin that some how, just that alone was worth going and getting rid of that regime. The one thing that never fails to amaze me is how Liberals can not see that 9/11 was the start of a war. A war that will go on for years and if you dont fight it you will die... So Ben, feel free to stay back with the woman folk, the men (and some incredibly brave woman) will fight for your rights and freedom........ Here is one more thought... Ben I voted for Al Gore and Bill Clinton.... Thank God W won


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Richard

Thank you for your post. I believe that any one of these pro- war folks ,(mind you,I'm not anti-war per se,just anti this war) were they to actually be in the middle of one of the bombings that ripped the limbs off of people in harms way,would be singing a different tune.The bravado is easy when you're sitting at home.When you actually see brains splattered up close(not pretty ,I can assure you)you might want to consider other options.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Oh???


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Hey Tull fan, I just KNOW you will break with Rush and the rest of the ditto heads and support our boys by opposing the Bush cuts in vet benifits, otherwise, gee, these soldiers seems to serve as human sheilds for the chicken hawk party. As for gloating about the war, ah, over what? The last three weeks have shown vitually every premise used for going into in was as big a lie as the we on the left said it was. Take a look at how Afghanistan is shaping up and see if you still want to gloat. Thankfully, SOME of the press is finally starting to shame the adminastration about setting up Iraq as a playland to payback Bush's cronies and sugar daddies. In anycase, the suggestion that this was the best way to deal with Saddam looks more dubious than ever. Go gloat to that little boy whose family is gone, along with both his arms. Victims of the dittohead culture, and bloodthirsty neocons. Call this mess Enraq.


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Posted by:

Chris D.

Location: South Jersey

Subject: Sweet Sound Samples!!

Hey Joe and Butch, I can't thank you enough for the sound samples! I'm already chompin' at the bit for next weeks Philly show! Hearing a little taste here at home is a tease but I'll take it how I can get it! Looking forward to seeing Butch, Levon and all the Barnburners at The North Star!! I haven't been out to see them in a while, life gets in the way of what's important sometimes! Anyone going let me know!! CHRIS_DOUGHERTY@HOTMAIL.COM


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: April

Why is it that the month of April always goes so slow?

Rich - We have the digital cable here. It comes in a long flat box with about a half a dozen pay per view channels an 30 channels of music. I've been listening to Rap lately. "One Hour Photo" Robin Williams is a lot like Jerry Lewis, The only time Jerry Lewis ever made me laugh was when he was being serious and the only time Robin Williams is remotely entertaining is when he's serious. Interesting film. "Road to Perdition" was enjoyed almost exclusively for the fabulous work of the late great Connie Hall. I'm really gonna miss him ... The only thing I liked about the Oscars this year is the fact that Martin Scorsese went away empty-handed and Michael Moore got Booed and Marshal whats-his-name beat out U2 for best song. I also loved the look on Scorsese's face as someone else received the David Lean thing on your Brit Awards. That was Priceless. Looks like that cat will take the same road as Hitchcock. "Lose yourself in the magic, the moment" Eminum! Why didn't they show Bono's face during that?

I think the best thing to came out of this war for America is the fact that the Hollywood crowd is exposed for what they have always been, a bunch of monkeys in a cage to be fed weird stuff, prodded and teased til they finally implode. The bigger they are the higher the fireworks go. Now That's Entertainement !


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: NYC (For One More Night and Day)

Subject: Ground Zero & Canadians...

A co-worker here in the Big Apple from Seattle for the same conference as me asked if I wanted to go along to visit the former World Trade Center site with him yesterday morning. I said sure, even thought it was chilly and rainy in Manhattan. We hopped the downtown "E" train subway and who wound up in the same car for the same destination but two Canadian employees of our company, here for the same conference, with the same idea of how to spend our free morning. I always feel better when I'm aligned with what the Canadians are doing...

Anyway, it was nice to see the progress being made on the lower level of "ground zero," with the replacement of the Path train and subway areas moving right along. Despite the rain there were a good number of tourists visiting the site and the construction workers were moving at a fast pace. New York City is a living organism and that wound is healing. Long live NYC and all the great music and American culture it has produced!


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Posted by:

bamblin rob

Location: in a lee wind

Subject: basement tapes

young man, you go out right now and get a copy of the basement tapes, YES NOW !! this music must be heard to understand all that went before and all that's come since. when I'm listenening to music I always seen to end up with the BT, and it doesn't matter what artists i've been with. the BT is a pure crystaline vision by an ensemble of artists at the summit of their creativity. and that's the truth.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 23:17:17 CEST 2003 from c143wn2.wifi.halden.net (194.69.211.143)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: 1968 "Web"

Al: "What I'd have given for this website back in '68. "

The "Internet" in 68/69 was made up of less than 10 US Army mainframes, Alan. You'd have to "give" a significant percentage of your country's national budget to be a part of it. See the link above for a drawing of the entire ARPA-net in 1969. I can dig the idea, though. Then again, it's late here in the old world %-}


Entered at Thu Apr 10 23:07:45 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I heard the Willie Nelson Birthday Bash concert was great. It was taped and will be on USA Network on May 26th.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 22:55:36 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: My Daughter was on National News Last Night!!!

Yesterday they arrested an FBI double agent in San Marino, California who was feeding information to the Chinese. She lives next door to my daughter and when Kate, my daughter, got home from college she was attacked by 6 news crews. They were all pushing and shoving microphones into her face. She said if this is what it is like to be famous, they can have it! No wonder our boys hid in Woodstock for so long!!

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ringo

Ta David - enjoyed your description of that little cameo. Can picture him charming all and sundry.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I'll second that emotion

Basement Tapes rules - imho not as seamlessly stunning as BP or The Band - is anything? - in fact I'd say part of the progression to those twin peaks but as DP, PB and LDO says - absolutely essential if only to monitor that ascension into heaven.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Basement Tapes, all day every day

Clayton, you MUST get the Basement Tapes. I think it's the peak of both Dylan and The Band's careers. It's just a monstrous effort, in my opinion. If you can't get the bootleg that David Powell mentions, the regular studio version will treat you quite well. After that, I'd say Moondog, then Cahoots, and then Islands. However, the Basement Tapes is essential listening for any Band fan.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Reflections

Just dug out some stuff to mail to Kerry from down below who requested it for a school project. Can't believe the amount I've written since first coming on here just 15 months ago.

Anyroad, amidst all this talk of The Beatles - particularly by me I guess - here's the very first piece I posted on the GB which sort of carries confirmation I suppose as to why most of us tend to stick around here and - in my own case and Sam's I guess - not on some Beatles site : -

WoW!

What I'd have given for this website back in '68.

For me to actually find people who rate these fellas so highly is like landing in some sort of utopia. Sure I've previously come across those who sort of liked their stuff but never before have I been able to experience a real communion like this, knowing I'm in the company of fellow acolytes who rate them as THE best ever.

Judging from what I've been reading on these pages these last five hours or so it would seem I've really been living in a sort of cocoon ever since I was first smitten - via the Victoria Pub juke box 33 years ago in Liverpool - by those matchless and indelible world-weary recollections of Levon - together with his trusty mates' straining undertakings to share that portentous load of his.

Oh the joy of splendid isolation!

I can vividly remember some ten years or so after that baptism. The Last Waltz came out. I arrived at the Futurist cinema near Lime Street in Liverpool bristling with the anticipation of connection with fellow disciples. I'd missed The Albert Hall in '71 thro chicken-pox - I've still got the faded cutting of the NME's ecstatic review of that night at which I still peer longingly every so often to read Nick Logan's adulation and his priceless quip about not being able to get anywhere near due to all the Ford Transits encircling the place - so this was the first opportunity to see the boys in the flesh, albeit a celluloid version. I'd not been so excited since my team Liverpool won the FA Cup for the first time in '65. God knows how I'd have coped with seeing the real thing.

Anyroad, the first night I watched it I was in awe. Breathless through all the gulps I'd taken.

Give me that ole time religion Rick lad - it sure is good enough for me.

Yet amidst my sublimity something wasn't quite right. The sharp intakes of breath amongst others present seemed infuriatingly reserved for other artists. Indeed, the place was full of Neil Young afficionados. The next night His Bobness freaks. And so on.

"You fellas just don't get it do you?" I would sigh to myself, as they drooled over the 'makeweights' of the piece yet accorded what seemed like mere token recognition to the chief protaganists. The real geniuses

And now we know they didn't get it, don't we folks? Way off the pace, they were. We can bask in our inspired insight.

Of course, for those of us who had been drawn in the whole hog with these boys, it could never be a question, simply, of 'mere' appreciation. Sure, their peerless musicianship, their unique blending and songs demanded that - at the very least - from anyone who possessed even the most rudimentary insight into decent popular music.

For us, however, The Band went far beyond any normal judgement criteria.

There was an indefinable 'something' that seemed to underpin their music and, at the same time, flow from it. Something different to anything else on offer. Some haven or other, perhaps, from long ago. Certainly it seemed to be a place that promised some connection and familiarity. Others might offer to take you higher. Even into orbit, perhaps. The point was, however, there are times when it's simply nice to keep at least one foot on the ground. Maybe even return to your roots. To take the more rugged scenic route guided by some trusty American country cousins to a place where there were decent folks who milked cows while they sat on rocking chairs waiting for the next hoe down.

The Band, in short, were offering a sort of American Brigadoon to anyone who wanted it. Fact was, though, there weren't that many takers. Not at first. Not solely with them, at least. Oh sure, as the years went on there were many more takers for the comfier routes once the railroads had laid down their more accessible tracks. Still for those who did make that initial journey, it was a damn fine community to became a part of. A genuine throwback to the good ole days. Certainly it was one I was proud to have partaken. Still am, spiritually, however much I've physically been in my UK vacuum.

Coming from the home of you know who I've always felt a bit guilty not having you know who as my all time musical heroes. I suppose it's a bit like a guy from Noo Jorsee forsaking Broooocie for Elvis Costello. Don't get me wrong. For me The Beatles are sacrosanct. They can do no wrong. I loved them. Still do.

The Band, however, are the Real McCoy. It's them I truly worship


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Islands may be the only Band album that consistently gets ranked at the bottom of the Original Quintet's output, but RR's explanation in its liner notes--the "rarities" argument--gives some perspective. Otherwise the estimable DP is exactly on track. Find "A Tree With Roots" for the BT.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Clayton: Of the titles you mentioned, I would recommend the 2000-2001 reissued versions (with bonus material) of, first "Cahoots", and then "Moondog Matinee", coming in a close second. You're much better served with bootleg versions of the Basement Tapes material. "Islands" has its moments but has always been my least favorite of all their albums.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 22:05:26 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Richard

Ah...OK. We disagree. I think in the long (and short run) recent events are going to make life much better for the Iraqis and safer for everyone else. I supported U.S. policy and pretty much got what I wanted within the realm of the realistically possible.(the unrealistic being Saddam taking Bush up on his 48 hour ultimatum)Just like after the 2002 and 2000 elections I'm not going to gloat about it.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 22:00:23 CEST 2003 from ns.hpedsb.on.ca (209.226.83.2)

Posted by:

Clayton

Subject: Reviews

A question for those of you that frequent here. I have been viewing this site occasionally for a while now and ask questions once in a while about certain band songs or albums and I always receive a great response. I have been buying Band albums for about a year now, as a new Band fan. I wanted to know what people here think of The Basement Tapes, Moon Dog Matinee, Cahoots, and Islands. I have purchased everything else by The Band and love everything. I have read some very harsh reviews of all of the above with the exception of "Moon Dog". Any opinions for what would be a next album for me to buy? I want to stretch out the experience. Thanks in advance.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Joe and Butch!!!! Hey, can you tell us more about Pat and Chris... they seem to be the young nucleus of the BBs... Who has really influenced their style of singing/harp and guitar? How many songs have they written? I seem to recall a few originals when they were at the Cabooze... and they both definitely burn fast and hot... Earlier I had posted about wanting to hear Bobby, Amy and even Garth on a live CD... but if they were to do a studio CD... I'd love to hear as much of Chris and Pat's original songwriting and distinctive styles as possible... it's just as fans we seem to lock onto what's knowable for the old memory... and mine ages everyday... tell us more, pleeeease... Also, how is Jeff different in style than Frankie?... I'm definitely gonna try to see these guys again...


Entered at Thu Apr 10 21:04:49 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Richard - That comic is REALLY in bad taste. This one is a little better!


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Posted by:

Mandi

Location: Providence

Subject: Levon's Book

So I just read Levon Helms's book and it was great. But he did mention that he and The Band performed at the Mississippi River Music festival in Edwardsville, MO. Actually, it's Edwardsville, IL cause my parents were there and it's where I'm from. Other than that, the book rocks.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 20:36:13 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: parody of Band song

Interesting song parody of a topical nature on the Don Imus radio show this morning: "The Night They Dragged Old Saddam Down". I don't imagine we'll be hearing Joan Baez singing this version {:-}


Entered at Thu Apr 10 20:28:41 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-14-249.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.14.249)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

jtullfan, I'm sorry I'm not here all the time to monitor all you kids smoking in the stalls, but I believe I've made my POBH stance pretty clear. And like I said, post away. If someone wants to bring the feud up, go ahead. To me, it's generally instructive noting who starts these threads.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 20:26:37 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.5)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: Please Read to a Dead Iraqi Child!

JTull Fan: Here's a post-war activity that you might enjoy. And it's supported by Laura Bush ;-)


Entered at Thu Apr 10 20:21:48 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: ok. Sorry. Lavoratory monitor then.

But as John W. has ably noted in the past, these standards are not applied evenly. When we had numerous exhuberant posts out here extolling the large anti-war protests, I did not see you 'tut-tut' them, although that would have met the standards you are applying today. Now, I only call them to task to walk the talk they claimed to espouse at the time.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 20:13:58 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Pat Brennan - How about some more Rascals trivia questions for us? I liked the one about Felix's keyboard (Hammond B3).


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

jtullfan, as with the feud, people wonder why certain subjects arise here, generally to the chagrin of the gathered. I enjoy noting when those subjects arise so that when things do overheat, we'll all know where it started, not that I don't relish references to cry-baby liberals. I hope you and john w. continue these threads so that others will post in opposito and everyone can get pissed off. However, calling that censorious is inaccurate.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 19:51:27 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I don't see the problem with Paul getting the lion's share of the royalties from those songs, because unfortunately John is no longer among us. He can't do anything with the money now anyway. Even if John contributed more to a song than Paul, I'd still rather see Paul get more of new royalties than Yoko.


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Posted by:

Kerry Schaffner

Location: Baltimore

Subject: School paper....

I am writing a paper on The Band today (April 10th). I’m a procrastinator and its due tomorrow morning (oops!). If anyone has some creative subjects or personal experiences with The Band, feel free to e-mail me or just post it (only today b/c its due tomorrow...he he). Thanks everyone! My e-mail is Shaffy712@aol.com


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: bruce

spot on LDOP. the rising is an album for our times.bruce at the peak of his powers.iv been offered tickets to see him this summer in london.sadly i cannot think of a more innapropriate venue i.e. an athletics stadium!! to hear those songs. the rising is definitely a late night ,in your room,in the dark album.cheers .rich


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: And now our censor.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 19:19:17 CEST 2003 from h-68-164-14-249.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.14.249)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

First the feud, now our politicos.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: movies/

roz. your right. not much out there at the moment.to be honest iv given up on going to the cinema. dvd and sky digital(cable in your neck of the woods)are my movie mediums of choice. recently iv enjoyed 3 movies in particular: road to perdition for paul newman's towering performance(tom hanks was definitely miscast);one hour photo for robin williams'sensational turn as the sad ,creepy shop assistant.he completely turned his tried and trusted screen persona on its head ,and it worked,something t.hanks couldnt do in road to perd. lastly i enjoyed hollywood ending,woody's latest.its not out here yet.i got it on reg 1 dvd. its blatantly anti hollywood and has the feel of a last hurrah on woody's part.great cast of non A list actors for once.treat williams and george hamilton never better,and a wonderful acting turn from director mark rydell.check it out roz and everyone else.its brill.take care. rich.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: The Rising

Finally got around to Bruce Springsteen's "The Rising". Great album. Oozes soul. If you haven't checked it out, I'd recommend doing so. Poignant stuff in times like these. Life-affirming.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 18:39:48 CEST 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Butch: I know that Levon does not trust the suits, but why does he not want to release a cd? I heard that he will NOT do one for Woodstock Records. IS that true? Do they also owe him some money. As a North Carolinian, I will always enjoy the concerts, but that has only been twice. I would love to buy some product.


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Subject: McClenn and Lennarty

As always it all comes down to money Apparently the writing credit order does have some financial significance. Often the royalty is only sent to the first name listed. I read this somewhere in an interview with McCartney. This might apply to royalties from foreign countries more so than from the major markets of North America and Great Britain. McCartney's complaint was basically that for the particular song Yesterday, which Lennon had nothing to do with, Lennon often received foreign royalty payments and McCartney didn't. I think it is a good idea for Beatle songs to be listed by author in the order of who contributed the most. I always wanted to know who the real songwriter was for each song.

I would encourage anyone who has a chance to see Richard Thompson in concert to do so. He is superb live and his concerts are better than his albums. For anyone to find his guitar playing to be uninteresting is just mind boggling. His stint with The Golden Palominos just shows how respected his playing is in the musical avant-garde community. Who's better on electric guitar, Thompson or Knopfler?

And speaking of idiosynchratic British singer songwriters, for those in the Toronto area, tonight at 10::00, TVO will be repeating a documentary on Nick Drake. This has nothing at all to do with The Band. I'm certain that Nick Drake was never offered a place in The Band. Nick Drake, sad and lonely, ethereal, beautiful, haunting.

One more thing. Sandy Denny. Love her voice.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 18:33:53 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Tull - Funny thing, now the Democrats are all reminding us of how they voted to authorize Bush to act without Congressional approval. Saying this indicates they supported it all along. Nice way to cover your posterior. Don't count on hearing anyone say "I was wrong."


Entered at Thu Apr 10 18:22:30 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John W.

One great thing about the war reaching an imminent end is that it will give all these anti-war protestors a chance to support the troops returning home. I can just see them holding rallies, blocks parties, handing out flowers to the marines just like the Iraqis, etc. etc. I just KNOW it's going to happen, because they said they supported those troops even as they opposed the war....:)


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Levon & the Barn Burners

The audio clips sound great what a great way to break up my work day. Makes me want to go out and listen to some live music! I'd say a CD from Levon and the Barn Burners would be a fine thing, hope it happens!


Entered at Thu Apr 10 18:06:39 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Subject: Good Day to Be An American and an Islander Fan

PEOPLE EVERYWHERE JUST WANT TO BE FREE!

My Islanders are the lowest seeded team in the playoffs, playing top seed Ottawa Senators in the first round. Everyone predicted a four-game sweep, but in Game 1 - ISLANDERS 3, OTTAWA 0! Could this be a miracle? The fans in Ottawa still can't get over us taking star player Alexi Yashin away from them. Kind of like the liberals can't get over the results of the last Pesidential election! HA HA!


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Barnburners sound samples

Thanks, Joe & Butch! The samples sound great. (Here's hoping this is only the beginning!)


Entered at Thu Apr 10 17:07:33 CEST 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Thanks Joe & Butch for the sound samples -- they've left me hungering for more.

The Paul/John discussion seems to be extremely timely. It was 33 years ago today that Paul announced the release of his solo album "McCartney". I can't remember how the press release was worded, but the world immediately grasped the true portent that the Beatles were no more. John was reportedly furious at the move, which he saw as a blatant attempt by Paul to promote his album, released a week later. The truth was that John had announced his divorce from the group the previous year, and Paul & George also had made it known around the same time that they were both fed up with the situation.

Al Edge: Ringo's testimony in court was anything but deadpan. There was a great prescence & enthusiasm in his manner, and he was very affable & self-effacing. Most of all, as many courtroom observers noticed at the time -- he was a perfect witness, who gave straight forward answers to the questions asked, without volunteering extraneous information. Since a major part of his case was the contention that the recordings in question did not meet certain quality standards for release, he skillfully proved his point while, at the same time, downplaying his albilities.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Barnburners clips

Nice tease Joe! But where's that chunky harp stuff? A few more seconds wouldn't have hurt! Sounds like that Leary boy been listen'n to his Kim Wilson vocal chops.Come on Butch! Give it up!


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: i smell smoke

great sound samples from the the barnburners, gets you right in the mood, makes you want to be there!!!

sell it like it's a party


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Roz, it looks like I feel for the whole Roz is Fallen Angel thing, which is fully my mistake and for which I full apoligize. So Fallen, it is yours I wish to up.

My best arguement against the pettyness of Sir Paul: If Paul wants John off "Yesterday", he should offer to take his name off "In My Life", which I would argue with the passing of post Beatlemania years has become the more durable standard(and is the better song).


Entered at Thu Apr 10 14:45:50 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: leaving well enough alone

Should Yoko remove Paul's writing credit from 'Give Peace a Chance? I doubt very much Paul was hiding between them in that bed up there in Toronto when the song was being written. :) I am a Paul fan, but I think at this stage of the game, expecially after all the good post-anthology vibes between him, Ringo and George, that stirring up bad emotions over this is hardly worth it. The Lennon/McCartney credit is more than just that; it's a cultural, historical moniker. It's in the lexicon. Leave it! Between that and McCartney's cigarrette being airbrushed off of Abby Road and the like, are we to slowly see the erosion of the integrity of these great artistic treasures ? It's like a colorized b+w movie; if you can't appreciate the original, don't bother.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 13:31:01 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190063.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.222)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

For those of you who are planning to see Garth again in Toronto next month....Apparently the only way to get a reserved ticket for the show.....You have to have dinner downstairs at the Senator for around 50.00 first.....Otherwise you have to buy ticket the day of show....20.00/25.00......

Stuck Inside a Cloud

Never slept so little
Never smoked so much
Lost my concentration I could
even lose my touch
Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
I'm stuck inside a cloud

I made some exhibition
I lost my will to eat
The only thing that matters to me is to
touch your lotus feet
Talking to myself
Crying out loud

Only I can hear me
I'm stuck inside a cloud
Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
And I'm stuck inside a cloud

Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
I'm stuck inside a cloud

Never been so crazy
But I've never felt so sure
I wish I had the answer to give
Don't even have the cure

Just talking to myself crying as we part
Knowing as you leave me
I also lose my heart
Talking to myself crying as we part
Knowing as you leave me
I also lose my heart

George Harrison: voz, guitarra acústica e slide e coros
Jeff Lynne: baixo, guitarra eléctrica e piano
Dhani Harrison: Wurlitzer
Jim Keltner: bateria


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Ahhhh "The Dukes of Hazard"...I knew somthing would perk my intrest in here tonight.. ahhh Daisy Duke,,Mary Ann on Steroids..

And on a Band related note...Maybe it was Bo and Luke who Virgil saw cruising by in the General Lee..


Entered at Thu Apr 10 10:49:07 CEST 2003 from ali-gharib.bc.edu (136.167.205.48)

Posted by:

ThreeTimeLoser

Location: Wash, DC/Boston

Subject: Ben

Jeez, Ben, Take it easy on the Dukes of Hazard. What did Bo and Luke ever do to you?


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Barn Burner Sound Clips

For those of you who have never heard the Barn Burners I've forwarded a couple of sound clips from a live show to Jan. I copied the clips through my computer and hopefully they will sound ok if he decides to add them to this website. They are both Chris O'Leary originals. Possibly more to follow. Thanks to Butch for giving me the okay. Hope you all enjoy the taste.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 10:44:34 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-225.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.225)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Beatles

Al’s essay into the Beatles’ dynamic is better than any of the many books. I’ve always found it ironic that John lived in exile in New York, with whole apartments just to store his fur coats, spending his days chasing his investments and buying dairy farms. He produced little of worth for 7 or 8 years. He made a few small charitable contributions to highly political causes and is now revered as a man of great peace and saintliness. Paul slogged away in the UK, dutifully paying up to 85% of his wealth in taxes in the 70s (he’s always explained this by saying his mum was a nurse). He has given literally millions to charity and funded a School for The Performing Arts in Liverpool, and yet is seen by many rock fans as a manipulative schemer. Sure John was a genius, but he’s up there laughing himself silly at the idea of his own saintliness.

I’ve recalled to the point of tedium how I spent my university summers operating limelights or microphones on summer shows in Bournemouth. One summer the Rockin’ Berries were one of the support acts and I used to spend some afternoons playing cards with the bass player and drummer and listening to their collection of early Mothers of Invention and Jefferson Airplane - none of them available in England then. Yes, I know that Zappa and The Rockin’ Berries don’t often appear in the same sentence. Anyway, they had both run into The Beatles many times in the early days (though the majority of the band were Brummies, I recall the bass player being a Scouser). This was the summer of Sergeant Pepper and I was eager for any insights into The Beatles. The one I got repeatedly was that ‘Lennon was an utter bastard.’ This was said with a degree of affection but Al will be able to balance the affectionate nuances with an underlying assessment. He was an aggressive guy, with a hugely sarcastic wit which was used cruelly to withering effect. He was also a genius. But never a saint. And no more of a genius than Paul.

If you want to know the songs which have been re-assigned as ‘Paul McCartney & John Lennon’ look at the back cover of Back to The World. They are Hello Goodbye, All My lovin, Getting Better, Blackbird, We Can Work It Out, Mother Nature’s Son, Carry That Weight, Fool on the Hill, Eleanor Rigby, Here, There & Everywhere, Michelle, Back in the USSR, She’s Leaving Home, Can’t Buy Me Love, Let it Be, Hey Jude, Long & Winding Road, Lady Madonna, I Saw Her Standing There, Yesterday, Sergeant Pepper, The End. Not a bad c.v., is it? And those are the ones where Paul felt they were above 90% his compositions rather than ‘just over half his.’


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Ben ....

... It might bring me pleaure if I could figure out what the fuck you said.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Roz, sometimes it takes a good friend to tell you, um, a lot of people in this room in all likelyhood are very fond of John Lennon. The validity of your observations conserning the artistic merit of The Beatles music, hapless as they may be, are certainly more than acceptable given the scope of proper subject matter for the room. Insulting, however, the member of the group who died tragicly, for no real reason other than you have one two many "Old Milwaukees" in you tonight, is just this side of borish; given the fact you are only trying to inflict pain. You have, if only of the "my god that grown woman is soiling herself" varity, but you have. Does this bring you pleasure?

For those whose tastes were not largely shaped by "The Dukes Of Hazzard"; I checked out the "Hard Day's Night" DVD the other day, loaded with interviews from people who worked on the film. The actress who did the "Your Not Him" bit with Lennon seemed to have very fond memories of him, and said when they met years later He remembered her and was "very kind."

And this is perhaps of note, from Tom Lehrer's parody song "I Wanna Go Back To Dixie"

"Old times are not forgotten

Whuppin' slaves and sellen' cotten

and waitin' for THE Robert E. Lee

(it was never there on time)"

This song cames years before "Dixie Down," perhaps confused Joan (and Levon?).


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Posted by:

rosalind

What is left when you are broken and all you want to do is dance in the dark and blur the edges with Southern Comfort because he is dead and you are dying and the world you're trapped in is a world of yellow light bulbs and poker parties and ... Flores flores para los muertos Corones .. corones para los muertos... corones...


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: scratching head

That's weird. I could sware I heard Fred Rogers whistling the tune to Helter Skelter one morning.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Hard Day's Night

I don't know what movie you were watching, but on my DVD Hard Day's Night it is Lennon calling the publicist a swine...even George chimed in calling the publicist a swine. I think the best line is Lennon saying "You'd look good with an apple in your gob"

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Stu Sutcliffe

Stu Sutcliffe died 41 years ago today April 10, 1962 - link above.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 05:54:39 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Yeah - I don't know why "Helter Skelter", "Yer Blues", and "Revolution" haven't appeared on any childrens albums.


Entered at Thu Apr 10 05:46:47 CEST 2003 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Lennon

I watched "A Hard Day's Night" last night on AMC and Lennon was called a "swine" many times thru-out the picture by the fictional manager of the group. It was probably true. Lennon and whats-her-name never done nothin' for me but piss me off and give me a migraine. Must be all the negative karma. I noticed a scene where Lennon went back to a cop behind a desk and just looked at him before walking off without saying anything. Never noticed that before. The Beatles are kid music to me, like revisiting your old elementary school when you're in your forties. It was nice but you wouldn't want to go back for more that 90 minutes.

Rich - What's the last good movie you've seen? Ain't much out there is there?


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Posted by:

Michael Franklin

Location: nyc

Subject: Video

I used to love going to Band Concerts. I would love to see one again. Unfortunately, The Last Waltz doesnt show enough of the boys in concert. Some of the other videos dont have Robbie or other group members. Why doesnt someone put together a band concert (in their prime).


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Midtown Manhattan for Tonight & Tomorrow

Subject: The Shape I'm In, Bootleg Beatles & Saddam's Suicidal Statue

All the Beatle talk here makes me wish I could have made it to B.B. King's club on 42nd Street tonight to catch the Bootleg Beatles show. They have played together for 20 years since meeting as members of the "Beatlemania" cast (though I think that the version I saw of that show had Marshall Crenshaw as John Lennon).

Lennon's line, "I'm lonely, wanna die..." from "Yer Blues" is as powerful a thought of suicide ever put on vinyl, though the song is ultimately as life-affirming as the wonderful line from The Band's "Shape I'm In"--"...I'm gonna go down to the water, but I ain't gonna jump in, no, no..."

I think that the second-rate dictator of Iraq had a death wish, and it was really appropriate that the statue that got so much media play today when it was toppled, revealed it was hollow inside--much like his supposedly pernicious regime armed with all those horrific "weapons of mass destruction." Can we expect Starbucks and Wal-Mart in Iraq by next week or the week after?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Tracy = that's a perfect example of what I was trying to say. John certainlly deserved induction - but I think Paul should have gone in right along side of him. Paul's solo career would merit that I think.

The reason Paul wasn't at the RRHOF thing was that he was embroiled in some still lingering Apple stuff at the time and felt like it would have been wrong to be there that night.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Paul vs. John

I'm still very curious as to what Paul's daughter, Stella meant with that shirt she wore at the Hall of Fame induction in '99 (it read, "ABOUT F***ING TIME). Was it possibly because her father harbors resentment towards John for getting inducted first as a solo artist in '94? People don't go around making statements like that unless they were influenced.

I remember hearing the reports when George passed away that McCartney was claiming he was like a little brother to him. If there was so much love for him, then why did little bro' take on lead guitar in Lennon's ode to McCartney, "How Do You Sleep?" Even when The Beatles were inducted into the RRHOF, Paul was absent from the rest. Is it because he didn't get along with Yoko, or George and Ringo.

I absolutely love "Brainwashed" as much as "Cloud Nine." "Marwa Blues" is just a gorgeous piece of music.

Tracy


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Dave = I'm glad you posted that. I had read that before and couldn't remember where. I love Ringo's line about the conveyer belt.

The thing is that I also think John has been put on a huge pedestal by some people because of the horrible way he died. Also, just the fact that he's gone has somehow made the legend grow. People are less hesitant to bash John now. Somehow, I think John would have hated that too. I think John deserves all the kudos, but so does Paul. Unfortunately, and I've said this before, I don't think he'll get the same deal until he's gone. Lifeboy said it well though a few posts back - it's not like we need more evidence for Paul.

I think it's been tough for Paul in a way. If he says anything about John he's in trouble. I remember a long ago interview where Paul said that John could be "a manuevering swine". Well holy shit - he got hammered for that. But you know what I thought - that wherever John was he was cheering Paul for telling it straight.

Jeff - The corner of the grand Concourse, and Tremont Ave. Not too far from Dion Dimucci's neck of the woods - and about a ten minute walk to Yankee Stadium. I've been a Long Islander though for a long time now. But The Bronx is always in the heart....... The "Bayou" handle is a horrible deception. I did visit New Orleans once (a great place BTW).

I listened to some solo Rick Danko today while driving.

I had to mention something Band related - I'm starting to feel guilty about the Beatle talk.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Excerpts......Dhani Harrison on his Dad...The Quiet One.......Gets His Final Say....

"He WAS very cynical," Dhani acknowledged over the phone, "and you can say the album's cynical, but at the end of the day, when you look at what's actually happening, it's true." He was speaking of the title track and another number, P2 VATICAN BLUES, which the Catholic daily newspaper Avvenire described as a "ferocious" attack on the Church. "Sometimes we get so conditioned to being in a Western civilization. But for me, it's easy to see. I spent a lot of time with my father, and he was so far removed from society."

At the height of the hype and hysteria that surrounded the Beatles in the mid-Sixties, it was Harrison more than the others who embraced the move to retire the group from the road. And he certainly didn't fight to keep the band together when the whole thing unravelled at the end of the decade.

"He didn't go in for the attention like the other ones," Dhani said when asked of his father's reticent nature. "When he was in the thick of it, I think he realized that it wasn't it at all, and that came at a very early age. I've read letters to his mother when he was at the same age as I am now (24), and he talked about how his ultimate goal was self-realization and he knew that no amount of fame mattered."

BRAINWASHED, full of message-music and melodic, strummed and stringed pop, is the silent Beatle's final say, and it will ultimately be remembered as such. Son Dhani's memory of his father is different: "Grubby, in the garden, planting trees at a phenomenal rate. When you're that close to nature, you understand the way it works a bit better."

All things, then, must pass. "Everything has its cycle," Dhani concluded, hesitating to speak for his father, but adopting his spiritual concern. "Why should we feel that we can live forever, or even for a longer time than we did?"


Entered at Thu Apr 10 03:54:10 CEST 2003 from as3-2-91.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.194.205)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

From the April 17 issue of Rolling Stone:

Q: How do you feel about Paul reversing the Lennon-McCartney writing credits on his live album Back in the U.S.?

Ringo Starr: I think the way he did it was underhanded. He's wanted to do it for years. I'm not going to tell you all his reasons; he'll tell you them. I thought he should have done it officially with Yoko. But he didn't. It was the wrong way to go about it.

[...]

Q: Do you sympathize with what seems to be Paul's feeling that John's reputation has been inflated since his death, and Paul has been left in the shadows?

Starr: I don't think John's been inflated. People keep saying, "Paul was on the fringe of this, that and the other." For me, the point of it all was John was the fringe. And it was his band. Whatever you want to think, he was the original member. He brought the other two in, and brought me in. Paul was the workaholic: If it hadn't been for Paul, we probably would have made a lot less records. John and I would be resting in the country [laughs], and Paul would say, "Do you want to come in and make a record?" [Wearily] "Oh, OK..." But I don't think John is getting anything he doesn't deserve. In Liverpool, Ringo airport would have been more fun--but it's the John Lennon airport, and that's it. I just want a conveyor belt: "The bags from Malaga are coming up on Conveyor Belt Ringo" [laughs].


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Shivers - Boys Next Door

I’ve been contemplating suicide,

but it really doesn’t suit my style,

so I think I’ll just act bored instead

who can take (alt: And Contain) the blood I would’ve shed?

She makes me feel so ugly (alt: so weary) (alt: so ill at ease) my heart is really on it’s knees

but I keep a poker face so well

that even mother couldn’t tell

But my baby’s so vain

she is almost a mirror

and the sound of her name

sends a permanent shiver down my

SPINE

I keep her photograph against my heart

for in my life she plays a starring part

all alcohol and cigarettes

there is no room for cheap regrets

But my baby’s so vain

she is almost a mirror

and the sound of her name

sends a permanent shiver down my

SPINE

She makes me feel so ugly

my heart is really on it’s knees

but I keep a poker face so well

that even mother couldn’t tell

But my baby’s so vain

she is almost a mirror

and the sound of her name

sends a perennial shiver down my

SPIII-YI-YIIII-YI-YIIII-YI-YIYIYI-INE



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Suicide songs, huh? I only have....."The Last Time I Committed Suicide" Soundtrack....

Art Blakey
Miles Davis
Ella Fitzgerald
Charles Mingus
Thelonious Monk
Charlie Parker
Dianne Reeves
Cassandra Wilson

One of my students saw the Aboriginal Achievement Awards.....He told the class that he really liked the sounds Robbie could make with his guitar.....He called it the wah-wah licks too and proceeded to use his air guitar to demonstrate.....But like myself.....We were hungry for more......It's absolutely amazing how other posters (except Bif) who saw the televised Award show.....and who claim to be......REAL BAND FANS couldn't even congratulate Robbie on this personal achievement.....amazing.....but then again....maybe not.....


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Posted by:

roz

Hi Lifeboy Baby - I been listenin' to the Ennio Morricone soundtrack to "Once Upon A Time In The West" this evening. I think my favorite song on "Rust Never Sleeps" is "Thrasher" It's a good abum.

Off to watch "The O'Reilly Factor" now. Great to see Saddam's statue get nailed today. It looks like our Resident Cowboy done alright !

FOUR MORE YEARS !

FOUR MORE YEARS !

FOUR MORE YEARS !


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Macca

Fantastic Bass player, one of the best and a favourite of mine though I can't see how he humbled himself to take on the job. If "Yesterday" should have the names switched then so should "Here,There And Everywhere" and "For No One" just for starters. But seriously, what is the bloody point?!!! It's not like Paul is some unknown genius. Everyone knows Paul was half of the deal and just as bloody important as "cool and credible" John. It's not like we are lacking in evidence is it? A damn good half to a great pair, no question about it.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Roz\ Out of The Blue

Hi Roz, funny you should mention that lyric, I've had that up loud tonight! I love "Rust Never Sleeps", "Pocahontas" is a beautiful song too.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Into the Black

Subject: "It's better to burn out than it is to rust"

JTullFan -The films you mentioned were only interesting to people because the two fellas died young. Hollywood loves that "Die Young" shit. It's not that fond of the "Too old to die young and too young to die now" shit.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Al: Are you saying Paul was normal... even when he had that mullet haircut?


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Associated Press Release

The news just reported a swimmer drowning in the Atlantic. Seems that he was spotted swimming and a rescue helicopter was going in to pick him up. Just before he went under the last time he did toss a package up in the air. Although the rescue team could not save the drowning man, they did retrieve the package, which contained a cd disc titled School For Fools. Efforts to retrieve the swimmer's body are underway. Reportedly the package was marked precious cargo and addressed to a Mr. Alan Edge. Authorities report that after they listen to the cd to verify whether any government secrets or hidden messages are contained, they will deliver the cd to Mr. Edge. Reportedly Alan Edge as been notified and is being questioned at the present time. Socialist party members are picketing police headquarters where Mr. Edge has been taken. Several picketers are holding up signs that are marked "Release the scouse from the big house". Reportedly Paul McCartney is en route , and has vowed to help his scouse cousin clear his "good" name.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Jeff

LOL - nice one Jeff - I'll feed him a few scouse mice to fatten him up a bit and then bake him in a nice pigeon pie for supper on Sundee while I'm listening to Skule for Mules - if that blessed swimmer gets here by then!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Scouse Mice and food for thought

Nothing against Ringo's rodent but I think I prefer Woody Allen's - or was it Groucho's? - famous mouse line

Macho man [aggressively] to Woody - " What are you - man or mouse?"

Woody [nervously] to macho man - " Why not throw some cheese on the floor and we'll find out!"

Great story that DP. Did he talk in that deadpan 'Thomas the Tank Engine' way?

JD - maybe worth trying to do a piece on those days some time.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Da Bronx

Yo Sam!

What part of da Bronnix do you hail from? If the Bayou is any clue I would guess Soundview, Throggs Neck, Pelham Bay, or City Island.

I spent alot of years up that way, many moon ago. Lived in Williamsbridge for a bit.

Always loved "The Bronx", great restaurants up there. Still!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: Cd

Yo Al!

The courier service promised me that the messenger could swim the Atlantic. I made sure that they dispatched one that had only made one round trip so far this month. Didn't want the poor slob or slobbess to tucker out en route and sink on our account.

I also sent one via carrier pigeon, just in case.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Righteousness

Actually I believe the situation has got a little bit more confused just lately. I think Sam's right about the song 'Yesterday' being the one Paul felt most deserved the McCartney/Lennon turn around.

I also understand that Ringo has been quoted as criticising Paul for undermining John by seeking the turnaround. He was reported as saying something like - "it was John's band. He got us to join him. So I think Paul's wrong for trying to discredit John. he never said it while he was here."

Now whether Ringo did actually say this stuff I'm not sure. It was reported in the Liverpool Echo last week but that's not to say it's true or that it hasn't been taken out of context.

It'd sure be sad if the two surviving Beatles are so out of tune with each other. If Ringo did say such stuff then I must say I think it smacks of righteousness and possibly a hidden agenda.

As I said before imagine if it were the other way round and John was looking to re-tag 'Strawberry Fields' or 'Help'.

I think the difference is that John would have got round to addressing it a lot sooner than Paul. Especially with Yoko behind him!

Get real Ringo I say - if Paul wants so dearly to re-tag Yesterday then what the hell - and as Sam says the original Red label Parlophone 45 of Love Me Do and Please Please Me were I think both McCartney/Lennon. I think that shows from where John was coming - and why not - he was the tough cookie.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It WAS McCartney/Lennon on the very early records. John changed it back when fame came a'knockin. Paul didn't complain.....Also, back when Stu Sutcliffe left the band (and then died), John, and geroge refused to take the "lowly" bass guitar spot - Paul, one of the guitarists, stepped up and took the job. He also turned into one of the best bassists ever to play. So Macca can't be such a self serving bastard.....Stanley Clarke once said that McCartney gave the bass player a certain repectability. The bassist was no longer the guy who couldn't play guitar good enough.

Maybe Pauly is thinking about his legacy as people around him die, and he thinks about his time left in this God Allmighty world. Give him a break.

I have to check into it - but I beleive it was only the song "Yesterday" that he was trying to get the switch done on. I'm not sure I understand why exactly - but then again, I'm not scouse, I'm Bronx.

Hey Al - Ringo once did some sort of project about a character called "Scouse The Mouse". It might have been a cartoon or something. I gotta check onit (dere's sum Bronx tawk foya).)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: No Apologies Al

You're right! You should have been the first to ask....but most importantely, thank you for such a great post and insight I must admit I've only had these feelings about Paul recently. I mean my son is "James Paul" Donabie. I've always liked all four. Probably Lennon a little more. I always remember what Julian said to me in an interview..."he was a great musician and songwriter......he just wasn't a very good father." Yes there's all kinds of reasons that us grownups can come up with to defend John; but for a kid it must have been tough.

Again thanks for the insight Al....I believe I do understand our Paul just a little bit more. There will never be music like that again for me. Al I can't tell you how envious I am about not being in Liverpool during that period. It must have been magic...and a whole lot of fun.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Scousers

Thanks Al Edge for your interesting clarification. I don't guess a scouser is anything like those characters, indigenous to the Southern U.S., referred to as "crackers".

I once had the opportunity to observe Ringo closehand, in of all places, a courtroom in Atlanta. In the late '80s he recorded some sessions with Chips Moman. When Mr. Moman was about to release an album of those sessions, Ringo took him to court to prevent the release. It was his contention that the recordings were not up to snuff, so to speak, since they were recorded during a period of alcohol-induced haze prior to his rehab.

When the case went to court, Ringo took the witness stand and testified, under oath, as the custom. He came across as such a straight-forward, down-to-earth gentleman, that everyone in the courtroom, including the judge and opposing counsel, ended up treating him with the upmost respect. Of course, the presence of his lovely wife distracted many present from the weighty legal issues of the case.

In contrast to Ringo, I suppose many might characterize Chips Moman, the Memphis recording producer & musician, as a cracker. His work with Elvis, Willie Nelson, Towns Van Zandt and many others have made him a legendary figure in the world of music.

The Court eventually ruled in Ringo's favour, and the recordings have never seen the light of day as an official release. In Beatle circles, it is often referred to as "the lost album". It could be said, that after Ringo had his day in court, the scouser was victorious over the cracker. I can imagine this story being told, over a few pints in a pub, and in the end coming off sounding like a modern-day fable from the world of music. Quite rightly so y'all, as they may say.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Jeff

Where's that friggin cd????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You think YOU'VE got housing problems in Brooklyn? At least you've got a bridge to shelter under pal. We have to make do with one friggin telephone box between ten of us. I mean you tell me where you supposed to stick yer PC?? :-o)


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Feudal System

Hey Ray, don't forget I also posted a succinct piece on the feud. On Christmas Morning. In fact, it was so succinct Fred reckons he finished reading it by Boxing Day.

True!

;-o)


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Subject: The Edge

Hey Al, just wanted to say I enjoyed the sociology lesson on Scouseness and got a good laugh out of your post about English and Celt diction.

Incidentally, Brooklynites have historically had a loyalty to their borough, or roots if you will, equal in dedication to that of Liverpudlians to theirs. And also feel the same type of withdrawal symptoms as you Scousers.

As Brooklyn is changing rapidly, right now as I type even, that is something that is changing and will change more. And I expect it to have rather odd consequences for Brooklynites, and also Brooklynites who would want to return. Brooklyn has changed greatly in the last ten to 15 years, but in the last two, the change has been greater even than the preceeding 15. Two years ago it still felt like home. Very different than it had been, but it passed.It does not now resemble home, and that is a real weird feeling. Hope you Scousers never have to deal with that one , my friend.


Entered at Wed Apr 9 22:02:56 CEST 2003 from (129.237.148.74)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: feud up again

as usual Pat Brennan's take is succinct and convincing...and when the feud does come up I usually go back to what Ronnie Hawkins said--a bullshit artist himself he can cut through the bullshit too--about how Robbie took care of business and that other members of the Band shouldn't be mad at him for doing so...not long after Rick's death Ronnie added that perhaps the Band had a little too much fun and should have taken care of business a bit more...since Ronnie has aimed plenty of barbs in Robbie's direction too, I think he can be counted on for some insight and fair play here.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: I always thought

that Lennon McCartney just rolled off the tongue better than McCartney Lennon and that's why they did it - alphabetical makes too much sense. And just for my two cents - I thought Paul was the more talented of the two - doh!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Location: Two guesses!!

Subject: In Defence of Our Paul

Oops - forgot title etc


Entered at Wed Apr 9 21:51:47 CEST 2003 from (129.237.148.74)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Richard Thompson...

...will be playing here in Lawrence, Kansas May 10 at a place called Liberty Hall, a very old and beautiful theatre where every seat is good. David Byrne, George Clinton, Leo Kottke and Patti Smith have played there...shows are a bit pricey and I've never gone to see one, however...maybe I should change that for Thompson?????????

then I'll get to see who's right--Butch relegating RT to lower-case irrelevance or Crabgrass celebrating him...how about it, is a Richard Thompson show a must, or not???


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Posted by:

a

Hard to defend our Paul with any real conviction without going into some background stuff of what makes him tick but I really do think some clarification is needed here so I'll do just that.

In fact to be honest, there's been more than one occasion when I've bit my lip on Beatles's issues on here as I certainly have never wanted to flaunt my Liverpudlian insight into them. However, as this latest discussion seems to be revealing, some such insight is required to evoke any full perspective on their phenomenon.

So I guess I am pulling a bit of 'rank' here. Thing is though I am someone who is actually from the same place as them. Same background. Same environment etc etc. And believe me when it comes to such things Liverpool is a bit like a small village unlike many cities of comparable size. Fact is there is a common Liverpudlian trait and most of us DO know friends or acquaintances of The Beatles and continue to meet such people all the time.

Two basic facts.

First - All four Beatles were Scousers through and through.

Second - It really does take a Scouser to know a Scouser.

Example - my Welsh wife of 31 years obviously knows me better than anyone but can never grasp certain of my traits as well as my Scouse mates do. Exactly the same is the case with my Mancunian working partner of 12 years. He can't grasp them either. It's just the way it is. You can't explain it. It goes beyond understanding. It's instinctive. Clannish if you like.

As Pete V and ANY of the Brit lads will testify, Scousers do tend to be a breed apart from the rest of Britain - England certainly. We are FROM England but not OF it, as John Belchem the distinguished English Sociologist has said in more than one of his analyses of the Regions. We are neither English nor Celt. We are Scouse. No better nor worse. Just different. It can be at once a good thing and a bad thing.

As a consequence I would put it to you that only myself - and possibly Mark from the other day [did I detect a certain Scouseness - certainly North Westerness]? - is truly qualified to speak 'instinctively' of the Fab Four

Of the four Beatles, the two who clung most doggedly and most fondly to their Scouseness through all their lives were John and Paul. George and Ringo were less encumbered by it. The 'lesser' two [with respect of course] were always far more passe about where they hailed from - especially George. In fact I don't think it really bothered George that much at all. He was more concerned about where he was going rather than whence he'd been.

As such neither he - nor Ringo - were your archetypal Scouser, though they did share most of the other usual characteristics in particular the caustic humour/desperation to crack a 'funny'.

I say this because your archetypal Scouser - as you'll have no doubt gathered from many of my own posts - really does care about his city roots with a greater intensity and zest than most other folk on this planet tend to care about theirs I guess. I won't bore you all here with the reasons for this virtually obsessional loyalty. Suffice to say it exists.

Out of the two [J&P] John's pining for his hometown was most overtly pronounced possibly because he had no close/big extended family. So he was naturally distanced physically from his Liverpool roots quite dramatically once he moved away, especially when he became a New Yorker [a place he loved immensely as you all know]. Consequently his longing for all things Liverpudlian - especially during his homesickness bouts in New York - came via his heartstrings and from a distancing he could remedy only through telephone calls to his Aunt Mimi [who was by then relocated next door to Pete Viney on the South Coast] and old Scouse mates such as Pete Shotton and Pete Brown.

What all this growing apart meant was that John was more vulnerable to the 'celebrity change' as he grew into the massive 'Lennon' celebrity. Not an untypical process for anyone who makes it big I daresay. Also as with many others who make it big, John's feet never quite stayed fully on the ground - though the uncertainties inherent in his native Liverpudlianness meant he could never - even if for one minute he'd have wanted to - take complete leave of his Scouse roots.

Paul, in contrast, had - and still has - a huge near and extended family back in Liverpool. As such Paul's feet have never been allowed to leave planet earth for more than the space between hometown visits or phone calls. Of all The Beatles he is the only one who has retained with complete integrity those hometown links often so crucial for a true perspective on life.

John D's submission that he felt Paul was not quite 'trustworthy' almost certainly stems from the fact that despite all his peerless achievements Paul has always remained in essence just the same as when he was a young scally from Speke. I suspect what JD actually perceived was, in fact, Paul just being himself - his 'ordinariness' stemming from a virtual embarrassment about his star status. Fact is Paul is just an everyday normal guy - or should I say a 'far from everyday normal guy' but one striving manfully to retain some vital degree of normality - and for the most part succeeding.

The others all changed quite fundamentally. Of that there's little doubt. Stardom DID affect each of them in one way or another whether we like to think so or not.

Paul in vivid contrast is essentially the same guy now as he was back then. That possibly takes in a teeny weeny degree of pretentiousness but - and this is the real crux - no more pretentiousness than he had back in those early days in der 'pool.

Fact was the others - particularly John - became what the world wanted them to become. Paul didn't. He stayed an ordinary guy who just so happened to have written some of the greatest songs we shall ever hear.

Regarding their relationship with their home city, John acted out his undoubted love for his hometown. Paul, on the other hand, ENacted it - and continues to do so.

In Liverpool - we all love the McCartney guy for never changing. For never forgetting his lowly roots. For ALWAYS sticking by us. We love all the others, too. Immensely. But for slightly different reasons and with not 'quite' that same fondness we reserve for Macca.

There's something in all this you know folks. I guess one of the the quandaries is that remaining the same doesn't always make for a 'star' or seeming to be or behaving like 'a star'.

As regards the Lennon/McCartney songwriting credit reversal thingio - I'm convinced it's purely an inherent Scouse 'inferiority' thing. Some might indeed term that 'petty' [Jethro T] or absurd [DP] but I identify with it instinctively. So would John Lennon, were he alive today.

It is a trait that tends to make yer average Scouser shoot his mouth off at what he perceives as an injustice. Which is what Paul has done. And also, I guess, what I've just done. It's simply the way we are.

I mean, after all, a person of such uncontested fame and acclaim as Paul McCartney [I ask you folks... Paul McCartney for chrissakes] insisting on retitling a songwriting credit in case some ignoramous in the future doesn't quite realise he'd written a particular song simply HAS TO be a Scouser. I very much doubt if anybody else of such immense stature and prominence from any breed other than a Scouser could be THAT unsure of themselves.

Rather than being pilloried for it, my view is that Paul's 'humanness' and 'normality' for wanting the reversal - as opposed to acceptance of the orthodox traditional crediting - is a real breath of fresh air.

Good on yer Macca la'. You tell 'em Scouse. You stick up fer yerself pal 'cos no other fucker will! As we Scousers know only too well. Why else would we all have a bucketful of chips on each shoulder??

:-o)

Right, now I've finished I'll come to the real reason why I went to all the time and trouble for this post. It's pure Scouse and will tell you more about the point I've just been trying to make than the entire rest of the post. Also if you've anything like a Scouse sense of humour you'll laugh out loud.

A few posts back John D asked PV for his views on The Beatles. I saw me arse 'cos he didn't ask me. Simple as that. Now THAT is Scouse.

Sorry JD :-o)


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Richard Thompson

Steve H - I think I can also speak for PV when I say that Thommo's voice is not particularly annoying just spectacularly unconvincing when he ventures into American imitation. I said yesterday that a John Hiatt yelp carries more conviction than an entire RT album. That's clearly harsh but hopefully helps [yelps] to get the point across.

Believe me it IS a big deal to someone like me who was first attracted to The Band back in '68 because of the very enunciation RT can never pull off even if he were to take a years elocution lesson off'n Levon.

Also sorry to harp Steve but I must point out RT's twang is so far from Celtic in its origins and enunciation that he might as well come from another continent. Van the Man will be having palpitations if he heard you say that. Like saying a Cajun is like those guys from up snowy north in the Cohen brothers films I guess.

;-o)


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Posted by:

Bones

Art: You seem to have inside information on how much money Robbie stole from Levon regarding The Last Waltz. If that is true, why were'nt lawyers involved ? If The Band were not properly paid, then the issue is with the record company not Robbie. I get so tired of this whole issue. When these situations with record companies arise, group members hire attorneys and try to recoup their lost money. If Levon thinks Robbie personally took money from him, then sue him. Complaining to the press and fans complaining in chat rooms does NOT help Levon get his money back. I worry that this whole thing takes away from the Band's legacy.

This goes back to what I mentioned before. Levon and Robbie seemed to be on great terms at the RCO party, and Levon in 1984 referred to Robbie and Richard as the songwriters in the group. This was after the whole money thing had been settled, so why all the acrimony now.


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Posted by:

Ami Broggi

Location: Wilmington, North Carolina

Subject: I love The Band

Ya'll should come to North Carolina sometime! Love your website. Love, hugs, and kisses, Ami


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: All Hail Marx & Lennon

All I know is that on the cover of The Firesign Theater's "How Can you Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All?" Groucho Marx is listed & pictured before John Lennon. As talented as Sir Paul McCartney is, without question, he's no Groucho Marx in my book. Sir Paul should count his blessings, as his musical talents have earned him a life of priviledge. All this bickering over which name is listed first is absurd. Come to think of it -- Firesign Theater should do a comedy bit about it. "We're All Beatles On This Magical Mystery Bus", starring Sir Paul and Yoko (everyone knew her as Nancy), featuring a cameo by "high, I'm Jimmy Carl Ringo and I'm the drummer in the group" {:-} Watch out for the blue meanies.


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Posted by:

Amanda

a. I didn't say anything about songwriting credits or a feud.

b. I posted that I would love a bluesy, spoken word record by Levon.

c. I didn't participate in any Band member bashing.

d. I wish I could get Levon in a 65 red convertible T-Bird...driving coast to coast...with a tape recorder.

e. I just thought I would make that clear. :o)


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Songwriting credits

With books and screenplays, alphabetical order indicates either equal contribution or that the first named did more than half. Some writing teams do change the order around according to who did most, but this undermines their "brand identity". If you are alphabetically challenged (as I am myself) it is galling when people assume the first named did more than half (when maybe they did very little). It has happened to me on credits in fact. I do see Paul's point from personal experience of writing as part of a duo for eight years, and being second-named, when at the end I was doing more than half. I think you shouldn't change it in retrospect, but I respect Paul's feelings on this one totally. John had no part in several songs, and to rub salt in the wound made that very clear in the 70s interviews because he (foolishly)t hought some were crap- including Yesterday,


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Posted by:

John W.

Tonight - Willie Nelson 70th Birthday Concert at the Beacon Theater in New York. The lineup of friends coming to play and say Happy Birthday to Willie includes: Eric Clapton, Sheryl Crow, Ray Charles, ZZ Top, Norah Jones, Merle Haggard, Jerry Lee Lewis, John Mellencamp, Leon Russell, Shania Twain, Toby Keith, Kris Kristofferson, Kenny Chesney, Lyle Lovett, Ray Price, and Shelby Lynne. Rather impressive, no?


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I see the songwriting credits/leadership question has resurfaced again, and I note this for all of you out there who wonder why the "feud" arises here from time to time. It's also ironic because for some reason I skimmed Hoskyns' book yesterday and read the last couple of chapters. Of course, he too is evil and made most everything up, but I do find it interesting that in sourced material in the book, Roberston a) is identified in the contemporaneous press as the chief songwriter of the group, and b) at some point had become the group's de facto manager.

We all know that the beauty of the recorded music of the group was the interplay of five incredibly talented musicians and three amazing vocalists, an interplay honed by years of playing together. In other words, when discussing ths songwriting/leadership question, one would have to deal directly with the contemporaneous written record of the group, i.e., interviews they gave, press releases, those names on the record albums after each song. Could such a widespread sham have been perpetrated without the consent of the members of the group? Without the knowedge of the group?


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Paul & Robbie / Barn Burner Mystery

It's true that both McCartney and Robertson have effectively positioned themselves as the leaders of their respective groups by taking the reins of recent re-issue projects - though if they hadn't we probably would have either nothing or some shoddily put together product hurried onto the shelves by recording industry marketing folks. I think it's natural for someone who puts in the work to want the lion's share of recognition - and besides that both of these guys have indisputably large egos.

In all of the songwriting partnerships recently mentioned - Lerner & Lowe, etc. - one guy wrote the words and the other wrote the music. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Both John and Paul were gifted in being able to do both and equally well at that! And to sing and play instruments equally well in addition - probably totally unique amonst songwriting partnerships - I can't think of any others at the moment, though maybe someone else can. (Of course, if Robbie could sing his public perception as the Band's leader would be even stronger.)

I believe that it's traditional in the playwriting world to list the names alphabetically on the credit line but probably not in the songwriting world. Anyone have further info on this?

Glad we finally got to the bottom of the Barn Burner mystery - no CD, no website, but lots of smiling.


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Richard Thompson and the Band

I don't know what would have happened if Richard had joined the Band, but it would have been interesting. I'm not sure his Celtic-based thing would fit with the RnB, blues side of the Band. He said in some interview I read that his guitar playing intentionally avoided blues-based things because when Fairport was starting, so many other British bands were doing blues. I don't catch the accent thing Peter Viney finds annoying. It's probably beyond American's ability to differentiate between accents from the UK, but is probably kind of like the annoyance I have with Springsteen's southern sound.

Back to Richard though, it would just be a dream to sit him and Garth in a room and turn on a tape recorder. Richard on acoustic and Garth with an accordion or whatever he would like to play. We can dream.


Entered at Wed Apr 9 18:14:26 CEST 2003 from citrix2.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.7)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Levon's life

all I know is Levon has and always will be a hero of mine..... Levon is living in the present not the past loving the Blues and having a great time doing it..

This past Friday I brought 2 buddies of mine to the Claremont NH Muddy bash who had never seen Levon & Barnburners and these 2 buddies of mine love the blues and The Band and when I took a picture of my 2 buddies with Levon I don't think I ever saw 2 bigger smiles (3 counting Levon's) in my life... needless to say those 2 buddies of mine have that picture framed and enlarged and are still talking about it... now thats how cool Levon is..

he is and always will be a legend with or without the songwriting credits he and the other fellas deserve, or a Live Barnburners CD....


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: McCartney

On some early (American version) Beatles LP's I do remember seeing 'McCartney-Lennon' listed in the songwriting credits, so it has happened. But it does seem to diminish McCartney when he tries to change things at this late date. It's petty.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crabgrass & History

I don't know crabby. Call me sentimental. I believe for the record it's still:
Lerner & Lowe not Lowe & Lerner
Rodgers & Hammerstein not Hammerstein & Rogers
Leiber & Stoller not Stoller & Leiber

You'll notice Paul didn't pull this when John was alive. Your facts are correct about the songwriting; but lately as Paul talks about the "wonderful relationship with John & George" when anyone around them knew he had problems with both of them I do believe he "stretches" a little. He used to berate George something terrible in the Beatles days and John would stick up for him like a big brother.

I'll go a step further about re-writing history. I talked with two people the other day (younger than I) who asked me if I was into Robbie Robertson & The Band? They weren't asking about Robbie solo v.s. The Band. Robertson was very smart in the way he was shown in TLW; because after everything is said that will be the historical last look at The Band. I believe he positioned himself where He will be remembered as the leader. He continues that legacy by being the one behind all the re-issues. Those of us who know better know that it was a 5 man band. Earlier Levon & The Hawks.....not just The Hawks.

I doubt if it will ever be Paul McCartney & The Beatles; but I just feel that if "everyone knows" as you say (which is true) how the songwriting went then leave it alone. My own personal thoughts. Take care crabby. Mr. Viney any thoughts??


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Joe!!!! Good to hear... hopefully Amy is on it... and I bet the shows with Bobby or Garth were awesome too...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Sorry, Roz, but Levon's life story is NOT the bottom of the Barrel

The fact is Levon's formative years correspond to both the time and place of the birth of Rock & Roll. He was at the crossroads and is a living witness to one of the most dynamic, exciting times in musical history and North American (for you Canucks)cultural history. If people can still be interested in Backbeat,the Buddy Holly Story, La Bamba, etc. etc., then the Levon Helm story is an important part of that mosaic. PS: Looks like the war is about over.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: no sleep till canvey island

some members of the gb may be interested to know that will birch's definitive account of the uk pub rock movement, 'no sleep till canvey island' is back in print in a fully updated edition. there are lots of reference to the Band in the book regarding how the Band influenced many of the chief players in this much loved, fondly remembered musical movement. take care.rich


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: still around roz.nice to here from you again.

thanks for the mention roz. at the moment im chilling out to houses of the holy.speaking of the mighty zep,there's a lovely picture of robert plant watching the Band, camera in hand during the 1974 wembley gig when they supported csny.the picture's in a Q magazine special on zep, and its absolutely brill.take care.rich.


Entered at Wed Apr 9 12:06:33 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

What would be wrong with Levon signing "on to a computer or the internet"?

And more importantly, IF there is a Live Barnburner recording in the can, then WHY isn't it out for the public to buy?


Entered at Wed Apr 9 11:50:57 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-81.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.201.81)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Joe

Have a beautiful day. :O)


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Posted by:

Joe

For those who are interested there is a live Barn Burner cd in existence, and it's excellent. It was professionaly recorded from a sound truck, not a sound board. If and when it will be released, I don't know. Same as I don't know why Levon turns down acting parts offered to him. Levon never claimed or claims to be a great actor but, what he does he does well. He's a class act and has been nothing but a gentleman to his fans and all around him. He never signs on to a computer or the internet and thank goodness he doesn't. He's scored high marks in his profession that will be forever written in R&R history. Scraping the bottom of the barrel in music or acting? I think not.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: covers

It doesn't cost "big money" to cover songs on a CD. It costs nothing up front. It costs mechanical royalties to the songwriters on copies manufactured and sold, which isn't a great percentage. As has been pointed, most of the Barnbumers materials are originals. I also seriously doubt that every CD sold on the net by bands is accurately accounted (but they should be). I think people often treat blues copyrights differently in that the songwriter was almost certainly ripped off by a manager 40 or 50 years ago and will see nothing. Some cover versions have tried to channel money to the true writers. Also blues credits are often dubious. Take Baby Please Don't Go, often attributed to Big Joe Williams, except that he supposedly took it from his wife who had been performing it before he met her, but she said she didn't write it, but got it from someone else. And all the later versions have at least 50% different words to his 1937 version. Some later ones credit it as "Trad. Arranged by …" while others credit it to Big Joe.


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Article with Levon and Garth mentioned

This article is on the web at: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertainment/columnists/michael_klein/5581652.htm

Record deal born in hospital

By Michael Klein

Inquirer Columnist

Ira Tucker Sr. has seen everything in his 64 years in the music business, but he's never found a record producer in a hospital room. In October, Tucker of North Philly got to chatting with Harry Klause while they recuperated in Thomas Jefferson University Hospital. Klause called his son Jerry and told him that his roommate was "some kind of singer." "Some kind of singer," indeed. Tucker is lead singer of the Dixie Hummingbirds. While visiting, Jerry Klause talked up Treasure Records, his label. The 'Birds are now in Klause's Scull- ville Studios in Egg Harbor, N.J., where engineers yesterday began mixing Diamond Jubilation, a CD in honor of the venerable gospel quartet's 75th anniversary. It's due out by fall, says Jerry Klause, who as exec producer lined up guest performers including Levon Helm, Dr. John, Garth Hudson, and from Bob Dylan's band, Larry Campbell and Tony Garnier. Campbell, who wrote two songs, is producing; also on the album will be a previously unrecorded Dylan song, "City of Gold," and the Julie Miller song "Too Many Troubles." Tucker, who turns 78 in May, was 14 when he joined the group in South Carolina. "I just hoped it would work out," he said he thought at the beginning. The group, which transplanted to Philadelphia during World War II, entered the pop consciousness in 1973 when it accompanied Paul Simon on his "Loves Me Like a Rock." "We've put a lot of time into this one," Tucker says. The album won't be all that marks the diamond anniversary. Philadelphia's Mural Arts Program is searching for a Broad Street site for a mural, and the group is the subject of the recent Great God A'Mighty! The Dixie Hummingbirds (Oxford University Press), by Penn State musicologist Jerry Zolten.

Check out Larry Campbell's webpage listed above if you haven't seen it. Someone asked about a Barnburner's webpage. I offered to do one last year (for no charge) but was rejected. : ) Perhaps they just don't want the exposure. I'm sure there are reasons unknown to most people why they don't have a cd and why they don't have a webpage.

Joy


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Posted by:

rosalind

Here's a song not, widely known that's always been near and dear to my heart.

Homeless eyes
Orphan skies
Cover the child who's been struck blind
Righteous fools
Golden rules
Never apply when you're that kind

Nobody knows he understands the ways of men
People grow old and deny what they can
Father has left him with his sight and nothing more
This child knows the score
This child knows what power's for

Time can try drifting by
All in the name of life goes on
Still the child can't be fooled
He knows for someone life is gone

Dreaming is only shattered sleep beneath the clouds
Laughter is never felt too deeply any more
Mother has left him with a song he cannot play
This child has to pay
This child hears what people say

Homeless eyes
Orphan skies
Cover the child with out-stretched arms.
Leave him be
Leave him free
Leave him without all the reasons we need

KC-1979


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: John & Paul / Paul & John

How is McCartney trying to re-write history? By wanting his name to precede John's in the songwriting credits for songs he composed 100% or 95% by himself?

Most Beatle fans know that both John and Paul wrote their later Beatle tunes pretty much by themselves as this has been reported in many of the hundreds of books about the group so the credit name switch seems pointless to me - but obviously not to McCartney. It's his right though in my opinion and doesn't affect royalty payments as far as I know.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: South of No North

Subject: Yeah but they break if ya sit on em'

Wonder if Hank was afraid of antique furniture and midgits too....?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: The Core of the (Chilly) Big Apple

Subject: The Band in Good Country Company

There is a new double-disc collection spanning over 75 years of music called "Beyond Nashville: the Twisted Heart of Country Music" that includes The Band's classic version of "Long Black Veil." Nestled near the end of the first disc, Rick Danko's sad singing steals the show from such lengends as Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, Lefty Frizell, George Jones, Johnny Cash and Gram Parsons. The only voice that registers anywhere near the same power to me on the disc is the amazing Hank Williams. I know he was a bit of an a-hole as a human, but old Hank sure could sing...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

John D = Check out disc five of the Anthology. I just watched it yesterday. It opens with the Beatles at Shea Stadium in '65. The clarity of the picture is fantastic. I would imagine that that whole show must have been filmed. What a great DVD release that would be.

Today, Julian Lennon turned forty - the same age that his father was murdered at. Strange feeling isn't it.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Beatles

I just watched part 1 of the Beatles Anthology DVD. I must admit I watched the last DVD first because of all the footage we have never seen. It reminded me of the emotional link that remains strong in me with The Beatles to this day. I still have problems seeing John laughing and carrying on without feeling a little weepy. Ringo George and Paul tell some interesting stories. I can't put my finger on it; but McCartney comes across as someone I don't quite believe when he tells stories. Maybe it's because he's been trying to re-write history lately. George & Ringo seem like the same nice lads I remember....especially George. It was a great time and I only regret I wasn't in England when this all happened. What a time it must have been.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Suicide Songs

Best suicide song is Buddy Knox's 50's tune "I Think I'm Gonna Kill Myself." Kind of morbid though - not sure exactly why I bought the single - most likely it was good to dance to.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: the street of no return

Subject: Speaking of..

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do it without going to hell?

Can God make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it?


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Best suicide song

'Crucifiction Lane', Procol Harum. Runner up: 'Going Going Gone' Dylan/The Band


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Richard Thompson thoughts

I’ve listened to the RT cd three times now and I’ve liked it more with each listen. I’m not a ballad guy, let alone, a dark somber ballad guy, so certain songs like Cold Kisses, Waltzing for Dreamers and Uninhabited Man do little for me. From reading the liner notes by Rob Bowman, I came to learn that 1952 Vincent Black Lightning is a big tune by the RT faithful…, I guess it must be like fine wines and needs time cause I didn’t see the big deal and heavily researched songs don’t impress me either. Overall, I like the whole cd. He writes tight, crisp, melodic songs that have a good groove. Generally I hate that Celtic riff in songs but RT’s I Feel So Good worked really well. As for his voice – I’ve listened to stranger and less melodic than his, so it doesn’t bother me at all. Will I seek out other titles – there’s a good chance.

Now, I also think it’s a shame that he was voted out of joining the Band. A total loss – One wonders if he would have commanded too much writing credit had he joined? Then I was thinking – How bout if him and RR put together a project – how interesting would that be?

Come on - let's get a Barnburner cd going!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Under The Red Sky

After reading Mingus' comments, I gave the album another listen. It's definitely growing on me. All the tracks that Mingus mentioned are quality songs, and I'd also include "10,000 Men", "Handy Dandy" and "2x2" in the good tune category. It's nice to hear that trademark Al Kooper organ, and the brothers Vaughan team up on guitar for several tracks. The title track with Koop and George Harrison make it worth the price alone. This is a decent album. It's certainly not Bob's best, but it doesn't deserve the critical slagging that it receives, either.


Entered at Wed Apr 9 02:11:28 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: BarnBurners CD

If they recorded songs that are in the public domain, then wouldn't that solve the licensing problem? A lot of blues songs written prior to 1950 -1952 are now public domain.

Peter V & Crabgrass (and others, too) are spot on the money when they say it can be done, on the cheap, good quality and profitable (pete townshend is another who has done this...CDs can be bought directly through his website) which brings up another question: why don't the BBs have a website (with inormation, downloads etc)? Would seem to make a lot of sense, especially in this day and age!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Art ....

No.


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Posted by:

ART

Location: Memphis TN.

Subject: Barn Burner CD

I think a Barn Burner CD would be a great idea, one problem is licenceing of songs. It costs big money to cover songs on a CD. Do the Barn Burners play any of their own songs? Board tapes don't always sound very good, but for 15-20 k you can get some pretty good gear. You could put me down for a few copy's for sure...... Roz, do you really hate Levon Helm? how could you ? he is the best drummer in the business and Robbie stole all the money, all of it, none of those guys got paid for the Last Waltz, except of course Robbie. It is a fact that the rest of the Band never got paid. Sound scan puts the gross on the DVD release at over 8 Million. It does not cost very much to transfer film to DVD. So where is the MONEY? I drifted, sorry. I hope the Barn Burners can get a CD, they are a good and worth hearing Art


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Posted by:

Mingus

Location: Germany

Subject: Under The Red Sky

I am glad to see that also the ignored Dylan albums are taken in account in this wonderful guestbook. I always liked "Under the red Sky" although it was definitely a disappointment after the magnificent "Oh Mercy". The problem is that about half of the songs are great and the rest is not worth to mention. The beauty of the title track with George Harrison`s touching guitar playing is undeniable! "Unbelievable", "God Knows" and "Born In Time" are simply great songs and I really do like the humour and groove of "TV Talkin` Song". It is also worth mentioning that here a rare reunion with Al Kooper takes place and, yes I must admit, I thought there was Garth on it playing, but the liner notes give the accordion credits to Bob Himself. That makes me think of one of my favourite musical dreams: A Dylan solo album where he accompanies himself on piano only. Any song propositions beside the masterpieces such as "Blind Willie McTell" and "Every Grain of sand" ? And that leads me to the wonderful piano-accompanied version of TNTDODD on the Making of the brown Album Cd by Robbie...I wish there was more like that !!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Richard Thomas

Richard Thomas is actually a really good actor. He does stage, which is where he started out.

Where's Rich? Where's Tiny Monster? Where's Lifeboy? Didn't I read somewhere in the archives a few days ago where Ben Pike said He "wished he was me" Hey Ben, Do you want the job? I'm finished with it.

A story on Levon's life huh? Well, Ya never know. Hollywood does have the reputation of scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe they could get Robbie to write the music ... Hey wait a minute, he did that already. Nevermind.


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Posted by:

GIno

Location: Romania
Web: My link

Subject: I like it

great band!


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Posted by:

jay polkest

Location: The Isles of Scilly, Cornwall,Nr Britain
Web: My link

Subject: The Band

The band continue to sound relevent


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ray / John Martyn / CDs

Wish you were here tonight – title track of a Ray Charles album.

Stormbringer. John & Beverly Martyn. Fine Levon-related album. Let’s talk about it!

Live CDs – I agree with Crabgrass. When Jefferson Starship toured England recently they put out SIX live CDs which were straight off the soundboard. And that was inside about six weeks from the concerts too. Pearl Jam put out twenty something live CDs in this way from a single tour. Some artists with fervent followings say they make more money off the CD sales at gigs than they do from the fee. A CD costs less than a pound to make – including packaging if you make 2000. It gets cheaper as the number goes up. In the UK some bands sell CDs at gigs at £10, some at £12 (undercutting the shop price of £13-£16). You need one guy standing there taking the money. No record label. No retailer. (And probably no sales tax … but let’s not go into that one). 90% margin. When I see a band who are not selling CDs at gigs, I just think “dumb”. Putting them on the internet is a lot harder- credit cards, post, packaging all loom up. But there are companies who’ll do it. And so you get the wider sales. Amazon.com will offer to list anything, as long as you can fill their orders fast and put a bar code number on it. The economics are obvious. Put a few gigs on DAT off the soundboard. Select the best tracks – which will often turn out to be one night because of the venue’s sound. Don’t overdub – it’s “real live”. Take some good digital photos – Jon’s offered his services to do the rest. It’s not a full release with reviews or expectations either. I know artists don’t want to say “This is the statement. This is us” until they’re content. But these releases have a different status to “official releases”. And if you do it frequently you pre-empt bootlegging and informal swopping. I would suspect that there are already a few CDs in circulation.


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Posted by:

Clay

Subject: Question

Anyone know who sang "Wish you were here tonight"?


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: J Tull Fan

I think you've got it!!! Levon likes the Cohen Brothers...maybe we should all bombard them with faxes, letters, emails! That would be some movie.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Dixie Chicken

I'm old enough to remember when the phrase "dixie-chicked" imparted certain pleasant connotations. In today's lexicon, however, the innuendo is no longer one of a sexual nature, but, rather implies harsh retribution of the political kind. Somewhere along the line, that image of a sweet Georgia peach has been lost.

Surely, Lowell George would be smiling over how his song, through its namesake group, would invoke the ire of so many, especially those who live in Dixie. Even that character named Earl, who may or may not have been a Texan, never caused this much a stir. Now who's singing the "Apolitical Blues"?

I remember quite well the first time I heard Little Feat play "Dixie Chicken". It was a hot summer night in Atlanta, at a club called Richard's. Bonnie Bramlett was singing with the group that night, and their entire performance was astounding. When they did "Dixie Chicken" though, it was as if Lowell's slide guitar notes, along with his & Bonnie's vocals, jumped out of the deep-fryer & set the place on fire. Man they were cookin' that night!

The other night I was listening to that song, from a promo LP copy of the album, and something else caught my ear. I was transfixed, as never before, by Bill Payne's gorgeous piano lines on that song. It immediately brought to mind Garth's playing on "Rag Mama Rag", so I dug out that LP & played that cut also. After that, it was on to Jim Dickenson & "Dixie Fried" and by then I was running out of cold beer. As my listening session ended, I was smiling as if I'd been "dixie-chicked" in its pleasant, almost Clintonion meaning {:-}


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Posted by:

Mark

Subject: Richard Thompson

Richard Thompson, my arse. Wasn't he the poof that played Jon-Boy on the Waltons? Wot! \What bollucks is next - the great fookin' John Martyn???


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: LEvon's story

Amanda, your idea is great, but I'd like to take it one step further; what about a movie? (no, no Marty Scorcese)But what about a movie about Levon's life, going back to his boyhood, etc? You could have various actors play him through the years, with him narrating the early parts and ending with the real-life article playing with the BB's. Sure, funding could be an issue, but the right script + vision, and a director who knows how to handle such a subject...It could be a sleeper hit like Bound For Glory, the movie about Woody Guthrie, and a little bit of Coal Miner's Daughter type of biographical film. THat, and you tie-in the cultural changes of the past 60 years, and you might have something.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Dorothy and Levon

John W.: I think her haircut was more popular than she was. Remember that?? :o)

Whatever Levon wants to do with his career is okay by me. He's given quite a lot in 40+ years.

I do, however, have a dream. I'm not much of a gambling woman, but I play the state lottery twice a week. I never, EVER, did this until I returned from Woodstock. If I so happened to win, besides taking care of family and debts, I would lay the money down for the most authentic spoken word record in the world...Levon Helm and HIS stories. Levon's voice is so full of life and experience. The musicians would be Jim Weider and Hubert Sumlin on acoustic guitars for the bluesy edge, Garth doing his unique thing throughout and Randy Ciarlante on backing vocals because he has so much soul and because singing drummers are special. Levon would have total creative control. This is one of the sweetest dreams I have...a big dream...for a gal that doesn't even have a paying job. It would mean the world to me if I could do something like that for Levon.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Feel-Good Tunes

One of my all-time favorite feel-good songs is "Drift Away", by Dobie Gray. It's a love song to rock and roll that I never tire of, and yet another number that Richard Manuel would have sounded great singing.


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: Syracuse

Finally!


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Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Bill - See link for 3 Dorothy Hamill photos.


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Posted by:

Bill

I don't remember any Dorothy Hamill, nor do I know what Vioxx is, but I too still like the sound of "It's A Beautiful Morning". My problem with it is that whenever I run it through my head, I get only as far as the "ahhh" after the title - then the "ahhh" turns into "ahhh, and I feel like it's raining all over the world" (which belongs to another fantastic - if meteorologically opposed - song).


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: CD Product

Don't make me laugh.

Suddenly, putting out a CD is a massively complicated and expensive "big production." Any working blues band can easily compile more than enough excellently recorded live material by simply accumulating DAT and direct to CD-R recordings off the soundboards of the various clubs they play. Cost? - practically zero.

I have friends who have financed their own professional sounding and looking CDs with the meager savings from their low-paying day jobs even including studio recording costs and no one picked up the tab for feeding and clothing them while they were working on their projects.


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: clapton/RT

Who cares? Link'll dust em both off


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Posted by:

John W.

I wish someone would release some Levon Live from the early '80's -- there has been talk around here that some archives exist -- when he used to tour with the Cate Brothers, then later with Jim and Randy (the "All-Stars"). They used to do a speeded up arrangement of "Sweet Peach Georgia Wine", totally better than the studio track. Those guys could really rock!

Another feel good song I never get tired of -- "It's a Beautiful Morning" by the Rascals. Now it is the soundtrack to the Vioxx ad with Dorothy Hamill, who I had a crush on as a teenager (didn't we all). Whatever we think of the use of classic rock on commercials, I have to admit the song and Dorothy go well together!


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Posted by:

Benn

I'm sure The Levon Helm Blues Band would love to have a cd on the market,but from what i understand working bands need a budget to do this. Record companies don't give blues bands enuff money to operate with. chances are they get just enuff money to get the packgage done, then won't pay the artist on the back end until they get their money back, and don't hold your breath on that one. I'm sure Mr Helm has been there done that. If any of us want to get in the record business i'm sure Mr Dener would be glad to entertain an offer sheet. Seems we have the art work covered, now we need a cd manufacturing fee, studio cost, distribution costs, a modest advance so the musicians can feed their family while working on the cd,license fee's on cover tunes, and i'm sure the list will grow as we move on our merry way. GB records,has a nice ring to it


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Levon & the Barn Burners

That live album idea sounds like a good one. I've seen Levon & the BB's twice at a tiny club in Piermont, NY and they smoked the place both times. It was really cool to hear Levon with his great band in a sort of "Honky Tonk" kind of setting. If they can capture that excitement on disc it would be worth anyones while to own it... Band fan, blues fan, music fan... Hopefully it will happen, Woodstock records released a mostly live disc by Levon and the Crowmatix called "Souvenir" a few years back so why not Levon Helm and the Barn Burners Live!


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Posted by:

Bill

"Precious And Few" was by Climax (with Sonny G, as JohnW says). The Climax Blues Band hit was, oddly enough, "Couldn't Get It Right".


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Posted by:

Mark

Location: Maine

Subject: Levon and The Hawk

Another note to say how great the Muddy Waters Birthday Celebration was last Friday in Claremont NH. Both Muddy's son and the Barnburners put on great shows that the whole crowd enjoyed. All I can say is that everyone who asks for a Barnburners show in your town is asking for a great night out!

I hope I'm not stealing anybody's story with this, but I caught an interesting exchange after the show. A couple of guys came all the way from Ottawa to see the show and were in front of me to get Levon's autograph. They mentioned they were from Canada and had seen a show by The Hawk the week before. Levon's eyes lit up at this and asked with genuine concern how he looked and how he was doing. It was no different than me saying to one of my friends "Hey, I saw..." and their interest in hearing an old friend mentioned when they were not expecting it. I hate to sound corny and starstruck, but hearing made me realize these were real people and not just rock and roll stars from another world. I guess I failed the corny test, didn't I?

Now I just need to find a way to a Garth show!


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Posted by:

John W.

John D. - There are so many songs like that. Did you catch the PBS special a couple months ago, "Red, White and Rock", part of WQED Pittsburgh's American Soundtrack Concert Series? All kinds of classic songs performed by the original artists with a big band backing them up. Among the highlights were the Kingsmen doing "Louie, Louie", and Sonny Geraci, singing "Time Won't Let Me" (which he recorded with The Outsiders) and "Precious and Few" (which he recorded with Climax Blues Band), I'd bet a lot of people don't realize it's the same lead singer on both those records!


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Richard & Linda & Levon & Robbie

Richard and Linda have been good friends for many years now and are each very happily married. Their son Teddy has appeared on the same stage with both of them - most recently saw him at Linda's comeback gig at NYC's Bottom Line where he did the opening set solo before playing as part of her band. A highlight of her set was a very touching song about Richard called "My Old Man."

On the other hand, Levon won't even look at Robbie.


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Posted by:

Barry Bogart

Web: My link

Nice website you have here.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: John D's thread

Songs I never get tired of hearing:

The Weight - BAND

Let It Be - Beatles

Memory Motel - Stones

Like A Rolling Stone - Dylan

One - U2

Sultans of Swing Dire S

Backstreets - Bruce

Biko -Peter Gabriel

Caravan - Van

Melisa - Allman Bros


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Butch/Levon and the Barnburners

Without taking sides in this latest dustup...Butch, I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of those who would LOVE a hot live album by Levon and the Barnburners. As Brien and Peter V suggested, you could go the route of a limited edition/internet release live album, if a regular release is not in the cards for whatever reason. If you measure support for Levon by the random conversations in the guestbook, you will inevitably be disappointed, but put out that live album and everyone here can finally hear what the lucky few of us around the East Coast have already heard. (In fact, for what it's worth, let me say that I'm a graphic designer and will be happy to donate my services to design the packaging if it would in some small way help get such a project off the ground.) I for one will joyfully continue to support Levon anytime he sets foot on a stage in NYC, but without some kind of album I worry that Levon & the BBs are losing the momentum of the great live shows you've put on the last few years. Just my two cents, of course. Peace.

jonATsjiassociates.com


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: sago

what a wonderful awards show the canadian aboriginal community put on! i watched the ceremony last night and could not believe the qaulity of the production. tastefull and heartfelt. imho a better show than the previous nights juno ceremony

the "hawk" looked really fine and fit, as he spoke of robbie robertson, although he stumbled over a few words.

robbie came out and received his lifetime award and you could see the honest emotion that overwhelmed him. i say bravo for robbie

one could also see the tears in his eyes during the beautiful and spiritual finale. we are lucky to have this aboriginal community, expressing themselves creatively, spiritually and positively, knowing their history of involvement with the white rulers.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: BEG Lee Michaels

Boy did you bring back great memories with Lee Michaels "Do You Know What I Mean!" I remember when it first came out it sounded like a pipe organ on the track. Still one of my favorites that I never get tired of hearing.

That would make a nice thread. Songs you've heard a thousand times and you still get a great feeling everytime you hear it. Some of the songs that I've never tired of and they do cross the genre line here.
Molly by Bearfoot (Terry Danko's Old Band)
Let's Dance by Chris Montez
California Sun by The Rivieras
Summer Rain by Johnny Rivers
Positively 4th Street by Dylan
Visions of Johanna by Dylan
Sooner or Later (One of Us Must Know by Dylan
It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry by Dylan
She Belongs To Me by Dylan
Love Minus Zero by Dylan
Into The Mystic by Van The Man
China Girl by Levon Helm
It Makes No Difference by The Band & a few more that I can't think of off the top of my head. Each time I hear these songs after hundreds or thousands of times I never tire of them.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Street Legal

Fallen Angel and others: I maybe be a pervert when to me Street Legal is one my favorite Dylan albums. This flamenco soul period Bob' s singing is in its best. Listen to the wonderful Changing of The Guards how he carries the song with his voice, one of the best vocal performances in rock.

Street Legal is also the name of the quite good hard rock band from (I think) Norway.

I think Rumor And Sigh is the most accessible way to start explore Richard Thompson' s music, what do you think?


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Daniel Lanois's Shine

Sorry...I forgot to mention that Barnes and Noble is taking pre-orders for Daniel Lanois's new cd Shine...will ship the day it becomes available...

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Best Bob Dylan Record

Bob Dylyan made Street Legal while he was in his "Christian" phase. I also find it a little hard to follow...if you want the most bang for you buck purchase Blood on the Tracks...I think that is the best album he ever made

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: Merry old England

Subject: Roz

Re-your Michael Caine story.....what a fool I am!!!...It just Clicked!!!,I don`t know what I was rambling on about,tiredness was to blame!!!..ha!..ha!..speak to soon Roz.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Under the Red Sky

LDO, thanks for the comments. I anxiously bought under the Red Sky after really loving the title track on Greatest Hits Volume 3. I believe George Harrison contributes slide guitar on it as well. I really loved the groove and textures of the song, even if the lyrics were a bit uneven. Unfortunately, the title track is the highlight of the album. It is better than Knocked Out Loaded, but that is damning criticism indeed.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Lots on Richard Thompson + Paul McCartney

On Band links, an added one appears in the new WORD magazine, where Joe Boyd says Fairport’s “Liege and Lief” was an attempt to emulate The Band in a Lincolnshire setting. To newconers to the site- we quite often explore a mildly related artist for about a week in detail.

My point on Richard T was that I had been as “dumb as a Levonista” in taking only one side of the story, Linda’s.

Mock Tudor- Ben, when I said the cover was the best thing about the record, I say this not as a criticism of the music so much as someone who owns and browses all the Album Cover Albums, and have a small stack of 50s LPs aquired solely for their covers. Mock Tudor’s cover was one of the very best of its year as at least one magazine suggested in its annual round-up. It’s a key one for future album cover albums. If you look at the collage on the rear CD insert, it’s not good, but it has a drawing of a 1958 / 59 Sunbeam Rapier, one of my favourite 50s cars. There’s another good drawing of the same car below the lyric of ‘Sights & Sounds of London Town’. The cover concept- retro 30s illustration – echoes the concept on the photographic Unhalfbricking sleeve, doesn’t it? Semi-detached suburban England (with the added Mock Tudor bits of wood on front of the houses, so popular in the 1930s).

As to the music, yeah, it’s pretty good. But I don’t think it ever meets the supposed concept suggested by the cover design, or by the three suggested sections. You expect some semi-coherent Ray Davies picture to emerge and it doesn’t. When people say he doesn’t rock, I disagree. I think this one takes it pretty much by the scruff of the neck and it does rock firmly and consistently … right up to ‘I Hope You Like The New Me’ which doesn’t rock. On the other hand, that folky quaver doesn’t seem to fit quite. Thanks Al for supporting my view that the voice sounds odd to British ears. If it sounds odd in Liverpool, and sounds odd in Dorset – two hugely different British accents – then it sounds odd.

I think the problem for me is actually that he rocks too hard with too simple a line-up. I just don’t hear those gorgeous ballads and way-out arrangements that you got on Shoot Out The lights, or Pour Down Like Silver, Sunnyvista, I Want to See The Bright Lights. (Some of which were co-written by Linda’. I think he confines his songs to much by sticking to the small touring band on record.

It’s exactly what annoys me about the new Paul McCartney live one. An article last week says he’s taking 40 equipment trucks, dancers and a circus on tour. Then he’s using a 4 piece band and tape loops all over the place. With the expense he’s already incurred, he needed to get four young bright classical musicians and take along a real live string quartet for those three or four numbers. He’s spoken a lot about keeping it tight and fresh by having a small band so the solos vary from night to night – the bigger it gets, the more you are confined by arrangments. But that’s bullshit, because no one’s going to do a solo or a radical change to Eleanor Rigby, and I think he needs a string quartet for a few numbers- and he could do arrangements of several songs for them.


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Posted by:

Crazy Chester

Location: Across The Great Divide

Subject: Dylan/Red Sky

LDO,Dylan's Under The Red Sky? Depends on which format you bought. LP.... bake in the oven at 350 for 5 mins. for a flowerpot.Cassette...pull the tape out slightly and then swing it around your head like a lasso until it snaps and the tape is all over the floor...stomp it real good to make sure it's a goner. CD...coaster for your favorite drink. What was Bob thinkin on that one?


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Dylan Albums

I enjoyed JTull's musings on Dylan's "Street Legal". I just picked up "Under The Red Sky", an album I've been curious about for years. I'm not that impressed after listening to it twice. Anybody have any opinions about this record?


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Not into the technical part of music, don't even play spoons, don't know who the hell Richard Thompson is for that matter either, as the "Gb snickers, I just like great music...

I found Clapton on the Mayall Blues Breakers of the mid 60's or so, been a fan ever since...Saw him a couple years ago, a great show, I thought his LW appearance was great, he had a smile on his face watcthing RR go to town..thats what its about....

As with a number of folk that I've never heard of in here, I will look up Thompson.....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Gee......Was it because Robbie mentioned God?....But then Julie Miller sings about Jesus.....So....Anyway...All the Richard Thompson CDS you gave me.....are OK.....They're OK......but they don't make enough consistent noise for me......You can bet your ass it's just my opinion of course......Don't fret everyone.....Just two buddies who don't agree....but we do agree on our fave Jim Weider song.....lol...

We saw another great film this weekend....."Laurel Canyon".....about the music bizzzzz with Frances McDormand....The actor Allesandro Nivola is excellent as Ian singing "Someday I Will Treat You Good".....Even Daniel Lanois shows up for a brief jam at a party.....even not-quite-resolved ending for a change......Soundtrack has Lee Michael's....."It's been fourteen days since I don't know when.....I just saw you with my best friend....Do ya know what I mean?.....Do you know what I mean?".....


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Charisma / RR's Noise

Richard Thompson lacking stage charisma? That's the main reason his hard-core fans go to see him live. Merely a passable singer? I think he sings with passion and emotion which can move you to tears - even on record.

Robbie "Making A Noise?" I wish he'd start making some music again. Hard to believe the same man who composed "All La Glory" could come up with such simplistic repetitious rot as "Making A Noise." Gimme a break!!


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: England

Subject: Roz

What a funny tale that was!!,It`s the stain factor..me thinks??..happened to me in my youth...in fact the toilets were usually that flooded,your footwear was submerged in urine before you even got to the point of aim!!..ha!..ha!.speak to you soon and thanks.


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Dave

Tell ya a true story Dave. Michael Caine told this story several years ago. He had recently had a big hit with the movie "Alfie" an there was a famous leading lady from the USA who refused to star in her next picture in Caine wasn't her leading man. They shipped him over here pronto and put him up in The Beverly Hills Hotel where he spent the next three weeks with not a word from the studio heads that put him there. All he had to do all day was watch big stars come and go. He said he was standin' out on the back porch overlooking the big lawn when a helicopter appeared and touched down in front of his eyes. He became excited and thought to himself "Man that must really be a famous person" Some guy stepped off and started walking slowly over toward the porch. "Something about the guy looked familiar." Caine continue. As the guy got closer Michael Caine exclaimed "My God, John Wayne ! It's John Wayne !" As Mr. Wayne passed in front of him Michael stammered out "Mr. Wayne Sir, Can you give me some advice? Any word from You Sir would be helpful." John Wayne turned to him and said "No Suede Shoes" and began to walk on. Caine stammered again "What do you mean Sir, "No suede shoes" Mr. Wayne turned and said to him. "Well Son, Yesterday afternoon I was standing in a public urinal and the guy next to me looked over. John Wayne snapped his fingers, pointed at Caine, gave him That look and repeated "No Suede Shoes" Good Luck To Ya Dave and remember, No Suede Shoes!


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: England

Subject: Fame and Prosperity!!!

I sent a few demo`s off a couple of weeks ago,{music Iv`e wrote and performed},I had a response from a management company in London,and have got an appointment on Wednesday afternoon at 16:15,prompt!!.Any advice for me??,I`m a confident individual but have had no experience,other than the world of bedroom recording!!..Roz..Amanda..anyone!!,please keep your fingers crossed for me..Thanks.


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: England

Subject: The route to Baghdad.....at a cinema near you!!!!!.

I don`t know what the coverage of this war is like in the U.S.,or other parts of the world, but i`m sure a Playstation game of the whole event is been divised!!!...at this very moment!!!...choose your favourite battle sequences etc!!!.Tonight,our reporter was live in one of Saddam`s captured palaces!!....what the hell next!!,people are dyi`n out there everyday...this ain`t a game of monopoly!!.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

PV- Do you really think "Mock Tudor" is a useless album? I think it's the weakest of this Capital series, and by that I mean it's only O.K. by Thompson standards. Again, I throw "Mirror Blue" at your feet, reject it and I will write you off as alost cause on Thompson.

Seems to me people STRAIN to avoid giving this heavyweight his due. Let's start with the Vinmeister. I don't know about the guy's failed marriges(he's had two); but if you hold a guys cheesed off exes against him I assume you are ready to sell your Dylan(shockingly mean spirited abuse of Baez, for starters)and Neil Young(helped pioneer palomony) to begin a rather large pop garage sale(sorry, based on "Across The Great Divide" I think the Band have to go as well) and listen to a LOT of John and June. I've never read or heard an interview where he did come off as soft spoken and likeable; unlike a certain also divorced PV hero I could name.

I think, rather than not rocking(as has been shown, a difacult arguement to sustain) it's Thompson's lack of stage charisma that has held him back. Also, a lot of his songs are real morose and dark, true, others have overcome that, but I don't think it's helped Thompson.

If some some sell records and get attention solely because they are getting attention(witness the current grotesque attempts to legitimize Lisa Marie Presley) wouldn't it also follow that some are denyed popularity because they are not popular? Thompson got the no sales cult artist brand early on; and who want's to join a cult? So I say, stop being sheep and treat yourself to "King of Bohemia" "Waltzings For Dreamers" "Don't Tempt Me" "Galeway To Graceland" and "Cold Kisses".

Much as I love them all, Richard Thompson would never have fit in with the Band, Clapton would have come closer. They do both share the vice of being only passable singers, though Thompson can occasionaly move with a ballad.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Just saw Robbie singing the "family" version of MAKING A NOISE in honour of his Lifetime Aboriginal Achievement Award.........

"Everyone has a song....God gave us each a song....That's how we know who we are.....Everyone has a song.....MAKING A NOISE IN THIS WORLD, MAKING A NOISE IN THIS WORLD.....YOU CAN BET YOUR (LIFE) I WON'T GO QUIETLY....MAKING A NOISE IN THIS WORLD"

......Rita, Sadie, and Jackie....all helped out.....Robbie was all in black....guitar black and white......and of course.....He has to TEASE all of us once again with his wah-wah-wah licks at the very end......saying......I can play possessed....anytime I wanna.....Ha, Ha......That's OK.....A few minutes is better than nothing for a Band fan of Robbie's.........Even The Hawk was there to honour him as his friend and father figure? and promoter of his talent.......Gee....He must really like Robbie.....still after all these years......unbelievable in the music bizzzzz....He's still there for him.....

A retrospective of Robbie's musical journey is shown from The Hawks to Dylan to The Band to Solo Robbie to Dreamworks........Adrienne Clarkson spoke of Robbie's legacy as "rich and colourful for the last 40 years.....and.....We want to hear him just.....forever"....

In the last clip shown before Robbie receives his Lifetime Aboriginal Achievement Award.....Robbie just shares....."YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND JUST GO GET 'EM"..........At least no one can ever doubt THE MUSIC.....THE MUSIC....THE MUSIC....The time I met Robbie my last words to him were....."Keep Making A Noise Robbie!"..:-D


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Posted by:

della robia blue

Yeah but Clapton irons his own clothes.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: RT & EC

Clapton and Thompson obviously have several things in common but the essential difference to me is that Clapton is exceedingly boring while Thompson is exactly the opposite. Sure, EC is a competent blues imitator but there are so many authentic bluesmen around like Buddy Guy for instance who I'd rather see any day.

RT has developed his own unique playing styles in both the acoustic and electric modes and the structures of many of his songs are creative musical breakthroughs like many of The Band's early songs - songs which depart radically from the traditional, expected, and mundane chord structures. And Thompson's lead guitar ornamental techniqes are distinctively recognizable as his own.

The final point, of course, is that Clapton's later music is a total departure from his early work and extremely pedestrian while Thompson's present day music has evolved from his earlier work and keeps getting more interesting - he views and probes both song subjects and musical structures and melodies from oblique angles rather than the obvious ones. Also, I should add that RT has charisma to spare while EC has absolutely none. And did I mention that Clapton's voice is rather run-of-the-mill?

BTW I'd like to hear that guy who finds Richard Thompson's guitar playing "not very interesting" play. As for the comment that "Thompson can't rock." - go see him. He can rock harder on an acoustic guitar than most can rock on a plugged in model.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Don't mean to weigh in again but I don't want to be misunderstood: the Thompson/Danko story is a direct quote from Thompson himself, who gave an interview for the book. Not that anything is 100% accurate (hmmm...like This Wheel's on Fire, or Across the Great Divide, or Mystery Train, to cite three examples at random) but in this case let's just say I don't buy anyone thought they'd sell a bunch of copies of a book based on making up a story like this...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: email

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Butch = I really don't want to drag this through the GB, but since you asked-

The post I refered to appears not too long after your announcement that you decided not to chastise us. You responed to a post by Crabgrass. Your post read as follows =

"yay,,i win the pool,,,,we had bets which of the ones with axes to grind would bash Levon 1 st,,,,thanks for the money "crabby",,,,,you are so predictible,,,"

The "we" is right there....sixth word.

I was simply raising a question as to weather or not some of your comments reflected Levons feelings. You have conveyed Levon's thoughts in here one or twice. I didn't think it was appropriate to question the fan support Levon gets. Ninety-percent of the posters live very far away from his gigs. Many are a world away. And even the ones that might have a shot to travel to a gig have lives too. Maybe it's hard to pony up the gas money, cover charge, and the cost of a couple of beers for folks that have kids for instance. I personally thought it was out of line for you to even go there, and if Levon felt that way then it would certainlly affect my feelings towards him as a fan. I went to a Last Hombres gig (I know it's not his REAL band-sorry) not long ago because it was easy for me to do. I paid the ten-bucks to get in and watch the one set. I bought the CD. I even offered to help Joe carry the drums out to the car. I bought "Jericho", "High on the Hog", and "Jubilation". And if he ever put's out another CD, I'll get that too.

You're not simply a Band fan in here Butch - you're a connection to Levon too. I think you need to realize that when you hit the submit button. I'm not trying to tell you what to do - it's just a thought.


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Posted by:

Angel Mae

I'm sorry.

As I was telling Jerry last night I drove my mother to Grandy, North Carolina about a month ago to see her sister for a couple of weeks and I headed to Jacksonville, Florida for a few days and then drove down to Gibsonton for a week or so. Sorry to report that It ain't like it used to be . You have to hunt for anything resembling the ol' days altho the old blood is still in the air if your nose is trained to smell it. Mine is.


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Posted by:

Crazy Chester

Location: Bugtussle

Subject: Clapton/Thompson

I haven't been here for a long time but stop in once in a blue moon to see what's goin on. This Clapton/Richard Thompson stuff is hilarious and very sad at the same time . Got lots a talk without much knowledge or respect. Clapton ain't God but he's a giant among his peers. To me a great musical artist is one who can sing,play an instrument well enough that their style is always recognizable,write,and perform. Name anyone else since the mid 60's that does all these things as well or better than Clapton. Hello??? Is that silence I hear? He's at home doing blues(Chi-town or Delta),country,ballads,rock,pop. His voice has turned into as good an instrument as his guitar. He plays acoustic,slide and Dobro well in addition to his legendary electric guitar.He recorded perhaps the best album of the rock era,Layla,with the other great white Blues giant Duane Allman. What more do you want out of the guy? I agree, his output since the mid 70's has been pretty bland but not his live shows of the past 10 years. Give props where they're due. Richard Thompson......either ya get it or you don't. People love to whine about the voice,the darkness,the quirkiness,blah,blah,blah. It's sad when genius is not recognized but in some ways it's so appropriate. He's the male Joni Mitchell. These people are REAL ARTISTS...ya dig? Richard Thompson gets outside the box,smashes it flat and dances all over it just like our beloved Rick,Richard,Robbie,Garth,and Levon. There is no doubt in my mind he's the greatest guitar player of our generation or any other one to date. Same things apply to him that I said of Clapton. Singer,Songwriter,you know who it is at once guitar sound,performer,plays more than one instrument well(mandolin and others). I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight,Pour Down Like Silver,Sunnyvista,Shoot Out The Lights,Strict Tempo,Rumor And Sigh,Mock Tudor,Daring Adventures,Hand Of Kindness....you need to hear them and all the rest too. The 3 cd Watching The Dark isn't my favorite but you do get gems like From Gallway To Graceland and Bogie's Bonnie Belle. The Capitol years sounds like a good one. I'm a musician ,guitar/mando, so maybe I have a whole other perspective on these two guys than many here. As artists ,I respect and admire them both....greatly.


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Posted by:

Torriero carole

Location: France

Subject: passion

just a few word to say how much i love The Band and their music!! thank you for this wonderful site, i learned so much from it!!! all the best!!! cheers, carole


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Is my screen wide or is it just me?

Come on, it's all in fun.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: On the Nickel

Subject: Dear John

Mr Donabie - You're no prude huh? I'm inclined to believe that we couldn't pull a needle out of your ass with a John Deere tractor. "Ma Kettle". just the way I talk in real life Sorry Man.Somethin' _Wrong _with_Not _Trying _To _Impress _With_ Some _Long-Winded _Educated _Bullshit? I don't think I've ever had to talk anyone into thinking I was on medication. That's a new one! I'm abartendr but I'm sure I could be an actor if I could get out of this place. Billy Joel sang that. "All the world's a stage and we all are merely actors" Patricia's my middle name - _For_Real_ and my first name is really Rosalind so get the hell off it.

Al - Thanks, "And I'm gonna buy you a drink, Whadaya think of that?" (Joe Buck - Midnight Cowboy) I bet Pat really loves the company up there, huh Brennon? Hey Al, Pat and I "eyeball" each oher because we're in love ....

Misty Girl - I never heard about that any place, I just have always had that feeling.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Old thread/B. Dylan

regarding the album of Dylan Gospel covers coming out, Mavis Staples sings a wonderful Gotta Serve Somebody on the House of Blues tribute that came out 3-4 years ago. Listening to Street Legal, it is clear that Dylan's gospel phase really gets its start on that album, even if it did not fully flower until Slow Train Coming. Musically, and especially the choruses on songs such Changing of the Guards marks a change in musical structure and subject matter, and supposedly it was at this time that T. Bone Burnett 'introduced' Dylan to Christianity. That said, I find Street Legal the most frustrating of Dylan albums due to its' inconsistancy. Changing of the Guards, Senior, and Where Are You Tonight? (Journey Through Dark Heat) rank for me among Dylan's best songs and best studio performances, yet several of the other tracks I find among his most forced and dragged out.


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Posted by:

Bill

I forgot to say in my last post that there was a short video clip of Robbie Robertson congratulating roots-rocker Tom Cochrane for his lifetime achievement award at the Juno Awards show last night. I though it was a nice touch that Cochrane, on receiving his award from presenter Jeff Healey, kept the script that Healey was reading from as a souvenir (Healey being unable to read the teleprompter that was there for everyone else's benefit).


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Sheesh

Pat B - thanks for posting those songs Richard lullabyed you with. I for one got off on them and sang everyone right through. Ta la :-o)

Also understand the Otis bit now - you had me perplexed there for a mo.

Rosalind - back like a breath of fresh...er :-o)

Nice to have your enigmatic musings back on board girl - I for one have missed them - please tho no falling out with Pat this time - I hate to see two of my fave posters eyeballing each other. Promise.

Susan - I find Stadium Blitzer their most consistent album but I think there are real gems on every one and as a band they are so innovative as well as admittedly derivative and imitative that they keep you on the edge of your solar plexus. I believe they are a real find. I've sent a selection to Fred [Japan] and Roger [Brum, brum]. I'm hoping they find what I've found. Sad about John. You can't win 'em all girl.

My view on Richard Thompson is that he's an exceptionally fine, durable and talented British artist whose best work is inventive and often beautiful most especially if enhanced by Linda's gorgeous tones. Like most Brit folkies, however, he can never in a month of holy days bridge the massive chasm across to authentic sounding American folk/roots rock. It is the yeokel intonation - apparently imperceptible to the American ear [from what I read here which explains much] but utterly implausible to the American hick seeking Brit ear - that precludes such a feat. Put it this way - a solitary John Hiatt howl or Rick Danko yelp is worth an entire RT album. To these ears anyroad. It's not that I don't appreciate RT - indeed I have a fair bit of his stuff - it's just that I can't take his intonation seriously. Sorry you American RT freaks.


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Posted by:

Bones

It may be time for another group hug.

We sometimes get this idea from Levon that as soon as he figured out Robbie was making all this publishing money, the collaboration began to fizzle. If Levon held this great grudge toward his ol' bro, why did Robbie play on the RCO album and attend the RCO party at Levon's barn (Paul G was there)? Even during interviews Levon gave in 1984, Levon would refer to Robbie and Richard as the songwriters in the group. He now refers to him as "Robertson", and claims he helped write all those famous songs. I guess what confuses me is that Levon's major gripe concerns money, but he seemed to get along with Robbie for years after the money thing was already settled.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Linda and Richard Thompson

Kay: thanks very much for the recommendation.

There are not many records better than "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight." In one record you get possibly the best suicide song (When I Get to the Border) and the darkest lullaby (The End of the Rainbow) ever recorded. And it all sounds great. Petula Clark gave us "Downtown." - the Thompsons give us "if you've got the cab fare, mister, you'll do alright."


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

One of my favorite Texas Tornadoes moment: Doug Sahm introduces a song as the officail theme song of Texas, then yells, "Remember the Alamo." Of course, the crowd cheers. Then Freddie Fender steps to the mic and yells, "Viva Santa Anna." The Tejanos go crazy. Great band.

Kay, I'm happy/sad to say I've stayed at the Kachina more than once. Used to hike Wheeler Peak and stay with friends in Arroyo Hondo. Magical place that part of the world is.


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Posted by:

Jim

Location: Leeds, England

Subject: Check this out

I would firstly like to say that the website is great. Secondly I would like everyone to visit www.loudmouthsoup.co.uk and listen to a bit of this band as I think they are definatley worth a listen.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Tear Stained Letter

Perhaps the best cover of a Richard Thompson song is Jo-El Sonnier's version of "Tear Stained Letter". Garth's friend, Mr. Sonnier, turned it into a bayou romp, propelled by his Cajun accordion, and had a top-10 hit in the country charts in 1987. Mr. Sonnier's music, like his accent, is refreshingly authentic and unaffected.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: Doug Sahm

Doug Sahm died at the Kachina Lodge in Taos, NM a week before Thanksgiving 1999. He spent alot of time in Taos over the years.

Jimmy Stadler, a local musician who played with him from time to time, was the last person to talk to him. Doug called him the day before he died, saying he felt bad, needed to see a doctor and asked Jimmy if he knew one who would take a look at him. Jimmy was alarmed because Doug hated doctors and wouldn't go to one except in extreme circumstances. He found someone who would see him in the morning, but offered to take him to the emergency room. Doug said he'd wait and see the doc in the am. A maid at the Kachina found him dead early the next day.

The manager at the Kachina is also a friend and he told me people always want to stay in the room where he died, so they no longer tell anyone which one it was.

Sadavid: you asked for a Roseanne Cash recommendation....ya can't beat The Wheel. Not a mediocre cut on that record.


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Posted by:

Misty

Subject: RE. That Woman...

Roz, where did you hear that Robbie divorced in 1988? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Fallen Angel: I was referring to RR meeting with the gangster guys who put their names on his songs as I've read it somewhere related to the Hawks... and as far as politics... my feeling is sometimes you just don't see it coming or can't believe it when it's done in your face... and hidden too... I agree, I don't see any of the Band members being weak... I do think it's interesting that in a lot of cases the guys (and gals too) who are screwing people actually think they are doing them a favor... in my opinion they just see the world as it revolves around them (don't we all to some degree) but enough from me already... I love all the guys... and what a thanks we owe for the wonderful music they have provided us... I wish them all best in their future efforts... hoping they continue on and on...


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Richard Thompson

Brein Sz, you did good. Looking over the song titles (courtesy AMG), the first half of that disk, at least, has some gems - the first six tracks alone are well worth the cost of admission. During his Capitol tenure, RT did (over)use the production team of Mitchell Froom and Tchad Blake, whose grit and overdrive sonics flaw some of the material IMHO. But there's a whole lot of meat there.

I forget who said that Richard couldn't rock. Seek out the live video 'Across A Crowded Room' with a full band that included Clive Gregston and Christine Collister. Yowza! Open you ears and your mind and listen to some of the most blistering, emotionally overpowering soloing you'll ever hear. But also bear in mind that his guitar style takes some mental adjustment as the tonalities draw on everything from Irish to Middle Eastern music. Fire In The Engine Room, indeed. And how can you not like a guy who's so gleefully twisted as to pen such gems as "Did She Jump Or Was She Pushed", "Turning of the Tide", and "She Twists The Knife Again".


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Brit singers and accents

P Viney - I think Nick Lowe can sing American country and rockabilly in a perfect, (and, it seems, unnaffected) manner. I guess Cliff Richard did too, eh? Although I thought Cliff was always trying to sound like Elvis.

Nice to see Freddy Fender get a nod here; I thought we'd lost him too. Talk about a unique voice. I beleive Spanish is his first language, so to hear him belt out one of those Mexican ballads with the added talk-over voice is just the sweetest & coolest thing. And 50-60's standards. And his brave & lovely vibrato too.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Aviapolis, Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Ilkka, Doug and some hope

Ilkka/Woodlark: My friend, only addiction I have seen in you is this bg addiction, but it isn' t fatal, although you can sometimes get toxicated here by ultra-patriotic and militaristic views, but mainly it is clean and passionate musical stuff. Crabgrass has his sober moments, too. I mean his witty look on Richard Thompson. But in case you think you are in trouble, just look at the site and take a call!

Doug Sahm was much loved in Scandinavia and Finland (He even wrote a song called Slow Boat To Helsinki). Thank you everybody for the fine posts! Funnily I just heard a couple days ago a nice Doug Sahm tribute song in Finnish by our famous bar rock band Freud, Marx, Engels and Jung (!)! I only saw him live in his later years, but I have loved his music all the way from Mendocino days...

Peter V.: You are so right about hearing only one side of the story. I think this argument 'who did what'(Robbie or Levon) is so useless. We are all imperfect people, thats it.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: The Band's longetivity

After viewing Mr. Griffith's fiery post about Robbie ending The Band's run on the road and watching The Last Waltz on the DVD format, I feel the need to ask a serious question. If The Band had continued to be the way it was with the original five, how long do you think they would have lasted?

Take into consideration that this was in the later 70s and they didn't change their style at all through out the times since then. Punk was already established and welcomed by some and New Wave was just being born. I'll just say The Band stuck with their formula since some individuals on this board choose to say albums that sound band-like. I'm not talking about The reconstituted Band with Jericho, High On The Hog, or Jubilation or even any of Robbie's solo efforts, or Levon's (completely wipe those from your mind and the films they did on their own). Would Richard have been stronger or suffer the same inevitable ending which he did? Would the other Band members been able to save him and know more about the disease which was taking him down? How long until the writing process would get dried up and Robbie being the cheif songwriter would get tired of it?. Would Richard be able to carry on in his shoes if needed to be? Would The Band still be able to maintain playing at larger venues or become an oldies act? How long would it last? We've seen tons of artists who got lost in the shuffle of 80s new generation bands such as, New Wave, hair bands, hip-hop/Rap, metal, how long would it have lasted for them and would they eventually go their separate ways?

Tracy


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Butch, you seem to have forgotten what you posted:

i WAS gonna use this space to chastise the folks here,, they all want to talk about the Band & its members & the week when Levon ,, the one who got Muddy to Woodstock ( along with Butter )through Henry Glover,,,& his band The Barn Burners play a fun show with the son of The Legend,, & everyone is talking about some guy named richard thompson,,, can you figure it out ??? this was The Band's website,, i remember it that way,,, but clapton & this thompson guy seem to be more important here,,

People were talking about Eric Clapton, one of the Band's biggest supporters, a musician who played with them a lot, who appeared at the Last Waltz, who recorded with them etc; and that "other guy" Richard Thompson, who was going to join The Band. And while insulting Thompson with your demeaning remarks, you "chastise" people for talking about him.

I hope this helps you understand people's strong reaction to your post.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Dave Z

Somehow, I can't picture Levon being intimidated by "the kid" (Robbie Robertson). And it doesn't appear that the "suits" started throwing their weight around till after the Stage Fright album, although I may be wrong there...In any case if Rick, Richard, and Garth felt the same way Levon did, there is safety in numbers...they all could have gotten together and spoke to Robbie privately...

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Bill

I'd say that Richard Thompson is a brilliant songwriter, can pass as a good singer if he's singing his own songs (especially with Linda's help) and a fine guitar player in his genre. But, based on the dated evidence I've heard, he can't rock to save his life. I must've heard him speak, having seen him play a couple of times, but I don't remember his voice or accent. But I can say that country Norfolk and country Dorset accents sounded very much alike (to me).

Dadavid: If it's any help, my theory is that Ferd (inand) is Fred (dy McNulty). This is based on nothing aside from the lyrics and a suspicion our guys would have occasionally called Freddy Ferdy to be clever.

Richard: Nice to see Henry Cow mentioned here. They (and the Art Bears) are always lumped in my brain with the Residents and PIL. Not for musical reasons but because the students whose floor I camped on for four months while living in Melbourne many years ago played them all the time.

By the way, the Bill who posted recently about EC wasn't me.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey Woodlark... I miss Catbalu too... I'm also a little bummed today, after finding out friday that I missed a three day run of DeMicco's Brubeck jazz group in St. Paul... I gotta check the music rags every week I guess... so now I'm eyeing up the Indigo Girls in Northfield...

I'm trying to stay out of the fued stuff from here on out... but just wanted to point out something most people know from personal experience... just because you are a vocal person and willing to stick up for your rights... doesn't mean you can always beat the politics of the moment... picture Robbie's first gangsta meeting... btw, I speculate that Levon's pretty savy around the suits... I still hold out hopes of an independent label BB CD... with maybe some Amy on it too...


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: hey pete

Pete,,, E-mail me off this site,,,, bubbaband@aol.com ( no one else )

The Freddy Fender Band with ( the GREAT ) augie meyers is playing 1/2 hr from here @ a community college,,, NOT to be missed,,,NYr's,,,,

( & for the record Sam, show me where in that post i said WE,,, didnt do it ,,,& i didnt bring up any agendas,, i just said ya should talk more Band & Band members,,,) then the poison started,,,

???asshole ???

as kids we said "takes one to know one,,," still fit ????

lighten up,,,hmmm


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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Entertainment Weekly

Two (2!) references to The Band in the new Entertainment Weekly magazine. First, on page 16, in an item about some TV series called RHD: "The series concludes with a (in the words of a Band song) shootout in Chinatown." And then, in the cover story -- a "Pop Quiz" about pop culture -- on page 29, the twelfth question is: "Who were the Highwaymen?" Option "c" is: "Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Richard Manuel." Not bad for 2003. Mag is dated April 11. Q


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: 1 last thought from me on our old pal Roz (or patricia...whatever)

Holidays are fine Roz and thanks for asking. I should have realized that questioning you or trying to have any sort of dialog with you is ridiculous. You seem to enjoy a writing style (on purpose) that is close to Ma Kettle and I believe that you are more interested in being a "character" here than anything else. You've talked in the past about being on medication and all sorts of other things. It's taken me this long to figure out that I don't believe any of that.

I think you're here to play the character of roz or patricia or whomever you are and people like me fall for it and find themselves writing posts like this one. I have become part of the roz problem and I apologize to everyone for that. I became part of the roz audience. This is my last one. I wish you well and if you wish to continue your "one act plays" each time you post. Great! I will read them as you intended. That of theater and entertainment. It's just part of the roz show. Why you picked a Band Guestbook is beyond me; however play on roz......play on.


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Doug Sahm

My ex-office mate loaned me a Doug Sahm cd still in its shrink-wrap. I had it on in the kitchen on Saturday and was dancing about while washing the dishes, no easy feat. Whatever happened to roadhouse music? Everyone can't be into the urban club scene - there still are people far from major urban centers who like to go out.

I loaned John the Gourds 'Stadium Blitzer' which J did not like. He did not go into detail, but I think the off-the-wall humor was too much for him. I think it's an acquired taste; I like Stadium Blitzer, but I'm not too sure about the Cow, Pig cd.

I too prefer the earlier Richard Thompson with Fairport and with Linda. There's something about those solo albums that makes them seem dull to me, but I can't put my finger on what it is. My resident guitar player has never really gotten into RT's playing, either. He says it's not very interesting, although he can't really tell me why. This from someone who can listen to Jerry Gracia noodle on for hours.

Speaking of Garcia, I recently read that history of the Dead by an insider. Now there's a dysfunctional group that clearly hung together for the money. When band members get into regular fist-fights and dismiss one another as 'ciphers' they are not playing for the love of it.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Fallen Angel

I read your post again and I see what you meant. Rick, Richard and Garth agreed that The Band could be a studio only thing and they could take their individual solo acts on the road...right? I must have missed this info somewhere. Are there interviews/articles on this site supporting those feelings? Thanks...


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Posted by:

PETE T

Location: NH

Subject: ROZ

Roz, being stuck in your ways is just a cop out for being rude... Butch, do you know Levon? I am going to stay here and I hope to enjoy this.....Pete


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: