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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, January 2003

Below are the entries in the Band guestbook from January 2003.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 23:36:59 CET 2003 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Gourds

When "Ghosts of Hallelujah" was released one of the British rock mags described it as the ultimate album for product-starved Band fans, so I bought it. Haven't played it for a couple of years, but on Ed's recommendation I will.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 23:34:12 CET 2003 from h-68-164-3-117.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.3.117)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Lil, coincidentally enough, I recently saw a "where are they now" piece on Bobbi Gentry. It was full of interesting tidbits, including (if I recall correctly) that nugget that she played guitar on all of her stuff. She is no longer in show biz and is something of a recluse.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 23:32:06 CET 2003 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ode

Going back to the time of Ode - we (me + friends) were often driving to London then and it was ALWAYS on the radio. I think that while it was current a "ring" was the accepted projectile- only somewhat later did people realize what Bobbie Gentry was really getting at. "Clothesline Saga" picked up on Gentry's wonderful ear for mundane dialogue rather than the story. It's a great lyric, seriously. One any songwriter could be proud of.

Hey Baby, by Bruce Channel has been cited as the inspiration for 'Love Me Do' by The Beatles just a few months later - check the harmonica.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 22:32:30 CET 2003 from xtreme8-78.aci.on.ca (209.50.82.78)

Posted by:

Sonny Milne

Subject: History

Just wanted to share early history of the band.I was the first drummer to replace Levon when the Band split from the Hawk. Don Trioano replaced Robbie Robertson. Dom started what became canadian Bush to replace Joe Walsh in James Gang.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 22:13:42 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Bones, Bumbles, Bruce Chanel

Bones, I always wondered about the deletion of TNTDODD from stages shows from the 1980's onward.

Bumbles: This is uncanny on Bruce Chanel. No sooner had I posted something on the Gourds list about Delbert playing harmonica on Chanel's "Hey Hey Baby" when I turned back to this GB and boom the same discussion is going on here. DMc and BC. Cosmic synchronicity. Wow. I was eleven when Hey Hey Baby came out and I loved it. But there was this "beep" sound in the middle of the song that I finally figured out, many years later, was as an errant guitar note. The note just jumps off the record. Has anyone else heard it? (They're all too young on the Gourds list.) Then, I learned from Don Imus of all people maybe two years ago that DMc played that luscious harmonica part. And today I learn that BC co-wrote a song The Band covered, "Stand Up". Live, learn and die. edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Fri Jan 31 22:11:03 CET 2003 from mcha-ab046.taconic.net (205.231.148.141)

Posted by:

Lil

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question about "Ode to Bille Joe" (and thanks John for that very interesting link). Each time I heard the tune, I kept thinking it was a baby that they threw off that bridge.. but that was just too tragic to accept...so I was hoping maybe it could've been something else. I like the idea that perhaps they were just throwing flowers and watching them float downstream or something. Still an eerie tune though. Thanks again everyone.

Have a good evening. Hug Jan.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 21:38:44 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Did Levon ever sing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" when Robbie was not on the stage? I heard Levon in a Larry King interview years ago when he said it was a hard song to sing. It was the only song from The Best Of The Band that I never heard the 90s era Band play.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 20:00:50 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

franko

Location: boston

Subject: ode to billie joe lyrics

all these years I thought Bobbie Gentry sang "bloody", not "muddy" in the last verse.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 19:57:18 CET 2003 from pool-141-153-194-74.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.194.74)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: B. Channel

Bruce Channel also co-wrote "Stand Up," a 1985 country hit for Mel McDaniel that later turned up as the leadoff track on "High on the Hog."


Entered at Fri Jan 31 19:53:05 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-02-24.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.135)

Posted by:

Dave tpg

Location: Mono Lake

David,,,,thanks for the Bruce Channel link.

Is that THE Skyliner Lounge in Fort Worth that is mentioned in TLW as having no roof? This could be the Delbert/The Band connection removed a couple of times.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 19:14:44 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia
Web: My link

Subject: Riveting performances

Bob Wigo mentioned Levon's tour de force, TNTDOD. I can recall seeing Rick give riveting performances of "Stage Fright", "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever" and "It Makes No Difference". I vividly remember that the last time I saw Richard performing with The Band, he could still weave magic with "The Shape I'm In", "Georgia" and "You Don't Know Me". Having three singers who could shine in the spotlight at different moments during a concert was certainly one of the group's unique assets. Of course, Robbie could make those guitar strings sing, and Garth was a one-man orchestra in himself.

Delbert McClinton is a great live performer, in the tradition of juke joint shouters who can capture even the rowdiest of crowds. His magnificent harmonica solo on Bruce Channel's 1962 hit "Hey Baby" is one of those transcedent moments in rock history! (see above link)


Entered at Fri Jan 31 19:01:40 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: PS (Spot Pube)

For the GBers The Kansas Lyrics below dont signify a lot if you dont listen to the song, it is really....

Ed: Pardon and thanks for the intention only, i realized later for Mandella......I'm gonna to disapoint you at my time. The great men and women are actually posting here in this GB, whatever is their continent...coming soon...


Entered at Fri Jan 31 18:55:24 CET 2003 from du-tele3-133.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.133)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ode to BJ

I always felt that the power in the song was guessing what they'd thrown off the bridge but not knowing for sure. The film is a different thing, but at least at the time Bobbie Gentry was firmly enigmatic, refusing to reveal whether it was a still-born baby or an engagement ring or whatever. Of course if she'd revealed it was a baby, she wouldn't have got air play in those days. The great thing about the lyric is the homely dialogue,


Entered at Fri Jan 31 18:40:45 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: The Jethro Tull New-Fashion

Ed, Jtull Fan: Thanks

Be indulgent with my egocentricity, I resisted 6 months in the GB before introducing the Kansas band. The group, primarily attached to the Kansas State reached the world audience with this album and the charismatic figure of Kerry Livgren. He is actually wonderful in both musical and poetic aspect. It is said the New Jtull for some backgrounds and collaboration with Jtull members. I prefer as already said “The group with the Shakespearean text and the Schubertian music”. While the musical aspect is various it embrases a wide range of styles, where at every song the signature of Livgren is present.

Back to my song, the Truth is pain to see, Ed it’s your #4 that made my identification to the song.
By posting the lyrics, i give precision in advance to not make any allusion with the GB or The Band in the present days. ( any resemblance with...is....)
Ed, you can also ask for the lyrics of any other song

“It's EMPTY NOW, no friendly face, and nothing lives within
I look around and I find no trace To tell me what has been
So far I've come to find there's no one here, no life I fear
I came for nothing, they have gone And Nobody's Home

I came to learn, perhaps to teach But I can tell somehow
The world that I was sent to reach Has got no future now
Across the galaxy to spread the word, and no one heard
I came for nothing, I'm alone And Nobody's Home

A requiem was never sung, no elegy was read
No monument was carved in stone in memory of the dead
For those who made this place do not remain, they feel no pain
A stranger fate was never known”

For both Ed and Jtull fan, now the urgence is over, i suggest you strongly, when you have a lot of time, in this album: “Hopelessly Human”, “Closet Chronicle”, ‘The Knew”

Ed: Thus I will preserve my name, Amen.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 18:25:34 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.127)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Bayou Sam & all other Beatles fans

This link's for you.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:38:42 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-02-35.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.146)

Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: YAWN, THANKS!

Yawn,

Excuse me, I meant JAN, thanks bunches for getting the latest photo gallery up on your webpage.I could spend all morning wandering around the woods of those photos.It's a fantastic addition to an un-matched website.

BTW, Delbert McClinton is playing 4 shows in Norway this spring.You really ought to make some of these.

IIkka, you must be close enough to attend also.Delbert's plays some good harmonica and his brother-in-law George is mighty fine on bass.Style-wise he's closer to the blues and R&B side of things than The Band,but he can turn-in a great ballad too.Delbert's first single came out in 1959, so he has tenure as a common point with my favorite group.

LONG LIVE THE BAND !


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:59:39 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

John W: You're confusing Nelson, who was in jail, with Winnie. An honest mistake.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:53:16 CET 2003 from client-209-158-182-204.deptford.k12.nj.us (209.158.182.204)

Posted by:

Mike from NJ

Subject: Ode to BillyJoe

Whenever I hear Ode to Billy Joe I laugh to think of Dylan and the Hawks writing "Clothesline Saga" to poke fun at Bobbi Gentry's conversational detail laden dirge.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:52:01 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Hot Politics ("Hot Tics") and what happened to Bobbie Gentry

To Pat and all: My "P.S." on Mandela and the current war really was intended for Empty Now (is anyone else worried about him or her?)as he is from Africa and I saw the Mandela report on AOL just before I wrote about his song, but, duh, I agree, it was bound to draw fire. PLEASE, as my friend JTull Fan has done, email me off line for non-Band Hot Tics stuff (humor from all sides is particularly appreciated). However, for the record, on the matter of John T's point about the Democrats, they are a bunch of feckless cowards afraid to face the tide of chauvinism/arrogance/jingoism who have passed the buck to the President which is where Bush and mass murderer Harry "The buck stops here" Truman wanted it(this reference to Hiroshima/Nagasaki should bring me some emails).

What happened to Bobbie Gentry? edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:45:42 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan (us2inva at excite dot com)

Location: Richmond

Subject: Let's declare a tie and forget about it.

Ok, we had Ed's comment and John W's response. I say they cancel each other out and we are tied 1-1. Let's leave it at that!


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:42:10 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Blues Bash in NYC next week

Now this one intrigues me: Levon Helm is performing at an event to be filmed by a crew produced by Martin Scorcese. I know it won't happen, but it's fun to imagine him pulling some strings and getting Robbie to show up for a jam.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:41:39 CET 2003 from (208.51.156.55)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Ode to Billy Joe

It's been a long time since I saw "Ode to Billy Joe," which IMHO was a mediocre movie at best. Robby Benson played Billy Joe McAllister and Glynnis O'connor (SP?) played Bobbi Gentry, a fifteen year old girl who's hormones are running amok. Bobbi is the object of Billy Joe's lust, but her parents won't let her date yet. (If you've ever raised a teenage girl then you know they are stricken with hormones at this age and their life is in turmoil until they find a boyfriend. Then you, the parent, have to hope that you can trust them not to make any major mistakes. The word "condoms" comes to mind, although the parent wishes they would not "do it.")Bobbi is in the awkward stage of leaving childhood and becoming a woman. She still has some kind of doll named Benjamin (which I guess represents her childhood innocence), but she is drawn to Billy Joe and to becoming a woman.

Bearing all that in mind, the couple are up on the Tallahatchie Bridge and Billy Joe wants Bobbi. When she refuses and starts playing with her childhood doll Benjamin, Billy Joe gets angry and throws the doll (Bobbi's innocence) into the river. Therefore, your answer to what they threw off the brige is a doll called Benjamin.

The rest of the movie involves Billy Joe getting violated by a man and he's so distraught that he jumps off the bridge himself. Bobbi leaves town for a while, making everyone believe that the suicide was caused by her getting pregnant. Thus Billy Joe is not remembered as a homosexual, which seems very important to Bobbi.

In the words of Mark Twain, "...so there ain't nothing more to write about, and I am rotten glad of it..."

And Pat Brennan, I still believe the Civil War was fought over States Rights, with slavery certainly being the major disagreement between the two sides. The common solier from the North (except some abolistionists) was fighting to preserve the Union, while the common soldier from the South was fighting to defend his homeland from invasion. Pat, be careful when you open your mailbox 'cause now I'm pissed. (Just kidding, that was just some irony.)


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:37:02 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-017castocp0391.dialsprint.net (63.187.169.137)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: My apologies--The bridge to "Jemima Surrender"

I strayed from the path........can someone tell me the bridge to "Jemima Surrender"?


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:32:15 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.127)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Please

"Let it be."


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:17:55 CET 2003 from h-69-3-221-47.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.221.47)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John W., of this latest round, I believe you started it. Ed, it's these sorts of never-ending arguments that cause the trouble.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 17:16:05 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-017castocp0391.dialsprint.net (63.187.169.137)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: war(I'll be brief)

Norm Scweizkopf, commander in Desert Storm, in a BBC interview, has come out against war in Iraq. I'll take his word for it...............


Entered at Fri Jan 31 16:56:23 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Once again it seems posters with anti-Bush views are OK with saying anything they want, but the more pro-Bush views are resented and will be blamed for causing all the trouble here. Ed, how can you refer to "Bush's War" when he has been given the OK to proceed by most of the Democrats in the Senate as well as UN resolutions? Ask the Democrats who are opposed to "Bush's War" why they voted in favor of it, then oppose it like they didn't approve it. And before you make Nelson Mandela into such a hero, ask his opponents who were massacred with machetes and burning tires around their necks!


Entered at Fri Jan 31 16:21:08 CET 2003 from ptd-24-194-176-222.maine.rr.com (24.194.176.222)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: catching up on my irony

"Oooooh irony! Oh...no...no. We don't get that here. See, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony is not really a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about '83 when I was the only practitioner of it and I stopped because I was tired of being stared at."

- CD Bales (Steve Martin) in "Roxanne"


Entered at Fri Jan 31 16:09:08 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.127)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Butch

Great news Butch! See you all at the North Star Bar.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 15:35:33 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.162.86)

Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto, Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Tallahatchie Bridge/Diamond Lil

The speculation was that a "baby" was thrown off the Tallahatchie Bridge Lil; but according to the link I have left by someone who has studied the lyrics closely.......that may NOT be true.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 15:11:33 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.127)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Anybody Hear?

Anyone here familiar with a Louisville, Kentucky based band called "My Morning Jacket"? I heard a great tune on WXPN this morning and would like to know more about them.

Just curious.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 15:05:34 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Lil and Bobby Gentry

This may be a dark reading of it Lil, but considering Billy Joe killed himself on that spot it was obviously something that brought him great guilt and remorse. I always took it to be their child.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 14:40:57 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Empty Now, Ed, Pat, etc.

Pat: I hate it when I don't get the joke. Sorry! Empty Now, I hate to dissappoint you, but I will have to examine your last post and the song you described more closely. I was not aware of the Doanne Perry link, thank-you so much for letting me know about it!. Bad enough not having 2 cents to add, worse yet when I'm ASKED to pontificate and still can't find my two cents. Ed Voci: Shame on you. Without comment on the substance of your last political post, I must say I am dissapointed that you have reverted to name-calling of political figures, which has started the flaming process in the past. Can we not go there?


Entered at Fri Jan 31 14:10:12 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where everybody is home sleeping right now)

Subject: Empty Now, Nobody's Home

Dear Empty Now,

The sense of urgency in your last post worries me a bit. So this is a rushed reaction. As you know, I purchased "Point of Know Return" yesterday. I am unfamiliar with the rock group Kansas, except for their hit "Dust in the Wind". I listened to the song "Nobody's Home" twice and read the liner notes which are tiny and in a script making them very difficult to read. First, I liked the piano and violin parts a lot. The song is erie. Possible takes on it being from the standpoint of: 1) God or the second coming; 2) man or woman landing on the moon or some other planet; 3) a visitor to Earth after the nuclear holocaust; 4) a family member, educated in a distant land or well travelled around the world, returns to his native land after a long absence only to find that his childhood home, for tragic reasons, is empty now. I fear this last is you, my friend. edwardvoci@aol.com

P.S. Hooray for that great man on your continent, Nelson Mandela, who spoke out mightily today against Bush's war. Did you know when in Congress Dickhead Cheney voted against a resolution supporting the release of Mandela from prison? And against sanctions toward apartheid? I espeically liked Mandela's take on Tony Blair, the new "foreign minister of the United States".


Entered at Fri Jan 31 12:29:39 CET 2003 from mcha-ai152.taconic.net (205.231.28.152)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Ode to Bille Joe

I have a question. Anyone remember that old tune by Bobbie Gentry.."Ode to Billie Joe"? Every now and then I hear it (I heard it in the car again last night).. and although it always gives me a chilling, eerie feeling.. I've never been sure what exactly the tune is about. I get the feeling that the line about "said he saw a girl who looked alot like you up on choctaw ridge, and she and billie joe was throwing something off the Tallahatchee bridge".. is probably the line that solves the 'mystery'.. but for the life of me.. I can never figure out _what_ they threw off that bridge. Anyone know? Thanks.

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 12:02:19 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Heart and soul

I can add, with a lot of egocentric megalomania: and Empty Now singing “Nobody’s Home” of Kansas accompainied by his previous amator band. Ed, please, i am waiting for a feedback, this is not an obsession, i have not enough time beyond.....i’m serious.

BTW: Jtull fan, please help me to encourage Ed to give us his critic of that song. You may have a good reason, the song track was recorded with the presence of Doane Perry, the drummer of Jethro Tull. Kerry Livgren and Steve Walsh, composer, and singer of Kansas, worked for a long time with Doane Perry in late 80s -:) for more informations


Entered at Fri Jan 31 11:27:25 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Africa
Web: My link

Subject: Who do you love

BEG: I loved the poem you posted yesterday and, with your permission, I made the connection with which is my true belief now: the GB is a rare chance for us to be ourselves (you can disagree). Infortunately, i am really a Lou Reed prophane. This seems contradictory for a Bob Dylan fan. Even when i said previously that i was an anachronic punk listener, i thought more exactely of The Cure and Clash. It is likely a question of sound effect, we the non English speakers are first attracted by the music, the words are enjoyed given our ability of understanding and feeling their deep meaning. I am not so intelectual than you can imagine. I just have some years ago a Lou vynil album with black cover and a song where he says “Du Du Du.... Du Du Du Du...” that’s all what i remember, I gived it for a present to a then friend of mine who was really involved in Lou Reed, The Velvet Underground, Truman Kaput, Andy Warhol (I understood that all that folks fit into the same set)...while he lent me the book of Kerouak “On the Road” to read (to reed).........
Since as usual, i like to give pleasure even when i am out of context : Here is a link for your Brown Eyes only, A whole website dedicated to Lou Reed.......in one language i know so well......it is a new chance for me.......Never to late -:)

Pat, Bob, and Lars again...Thanks for comments on Levon performance
Bob: let me just add “A great song written by a great songwriter and performed by a man whose heart and soul went into every word”...and to ear and body of several generations of listeners throughout the world.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 06:27:27 CET 2003 from dialup-65.58.44.109.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.58.44.109)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I've been informed that my ironic imprecision has been misconstrued. In an earlier post, I referenced JTullfan as a hothead but I described my post as an example of internet humor, much as mattk called me a bastard. I referenced JTullfan as a hothead because he is exactly the opposite (the definition of irony). He is consistently courteous and engaging, despite his political positions. I apologize for the misunderstanding.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 06:12:50 CET 2003 from 1cust208.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.208)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Heart & Soul

Intrinsically connected to the singer? Heart and soul into every word?

How about "It's A Man's World" by James Brown or "When A Man Loves A Woman" by Percy Sledge? "Tears of Rage?" "Just Like A Woman?" I could go on...

All far beyond Levon's "Dixie."

Sorry!!


Entered at Fri Jan 31 05:33:24 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Bob Wigo = nice thread idea. How about McCartney and "Hey Jude". I'll have to think of more, but that one popped into my mind.

I couldn't agree with you more about "Dixie" though. Levon and that song are one.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 04:53:35 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Bob Wigo; songs performed with total heart &soul a la LH in TLW on TNTDODD

I saw The Who in 1970 at the Boston Music Hall (the loudest thing I have ever heard) and Roger Daltrey's performance in "I Won't Get Fooled Again" before about 3000 people was explosive, passionate and unbelieveably charismatic. I got goosebumps hearing Luciano Pavarotti sing "Nessun Dorma", in Central Park, NYC, on June 26, 1993. A man, his voice, and his soul bared to 500,000 people. "Nessun Dorma" (No one sleeps) (from Pucini's "Turandot" ) is song by a man contemplating his fate the night before the next's days challenge that may result in his death. The song ends with "Vincero! Vincereo! Vincero!" ("I shall win! I shall win! I shall win!") on increasingly higher and louder notes culiminating with a sustained and turbo-charged high B (I think's it's B). I never saw him in person, but Elvis doing "Heartbreak Hotel" in the '68 Comeback Special is in that league.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 02:32:29 CET 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

As far as I can recall, there have been no disrespectful comments likely to cause offence to African Americans, though if there were I'd be happy to know. Educate me. Discussion about past events acknowledges that such events did occur, and this is healthier for all parties than ignoring what happened.


Entered at Fri Jan 31 01:57:05 CET 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190429.sympatico.ca (64.229.3.80)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: The Raven

Wow....even Dylan is gonna take notice here....as he has many times before.....but this time......I can see that Laurie Anderson has indeed continued to inspire.....Louuuu on bass and vocals.....Ornette Coleman on alto sax....Did ya all hear that sound just now?.....It was Pat Brennan who just fell off his chair.........That's right.....Ornette Coleman!....."I Wanna Know" (The Pit and the Pendulum) with the Blind Boys of Alabama...Why not? Louuu sang "Soul Man" with Sam of Sam and Dave afterall......"Who Am I"?.....Alright Louuuu!....You always put the mirror to your soul as you grew up in public......"The Raven"....the one and only Willem Dafoe....."The Bed"....revisited in 2003......

To my mind Poe is father to William Burroughs and Hubert Selby. I am forever fitting their blood to my melodies. Why do we do what we should not? Why do we love what we cannot have? Why do we have a passion for exactly the wrong thing? What do we mean by "wrong"?

Peter Viney, Empty Now, Al Edge, Eddie Blayzor, Ray Pence and Bill Munson....:-D.....Btw Bill.....Louuuu even has a couple of Canadians on The Raven.....Kate and Anna McGarrigle.....

For those who are twitchin'.....Band connection....Louuuu played on the same gig as Garth Hudson at the Doc Pomus Tribute at The Bottom Line.....


Entered at Fri Jan 31 01:08:29 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (which I wish was in Dixie)

Subject: Hank, JTullFan, Dixie Rising

Sorry to all if I missed the target on the politics stuff.

Hank, honey, you did not tick me off with your opinions, but yer gettin’ me hairs up with this apology stuff. You do not owe me an apology (but if you and Pat want to go at each other I’ll grab a pint, watch and declare the winner). Your subsequent explanation about what you wrote is truly appreciated and speaks volumes about your character. If anyone owes an apology it might be me for giving you the impression with my strident argumentation that I was angry at YOU. I haven’t been angry at an Irishmen since Bobby Kennedy bugged Martin Luther King’s bedrooms looking for communists. This is discussion. Good discussion. And good discussion is good. But, we’d better watch out, someone might learn something, as Pat mentioned.

Now on this The South will rise again business, you are absolutely, flat out, 100% correct. The very best thing I read during the ‘90’s (except LH’s book TWOF) was “Dixie Rising: How the South Is Shaping American Values, Politics and Culture” by Peter Applebome, the New York Times’ Atlanta bureau chief. He does a magnificent job of weaving back and forth between current times and ante-bellum America demonstrating what he calls “The Southernization of America”. He argues that the political agenda of the Southern States is parallel to that of the ante-bellum South (States Rights, anti-organized labor, de facto segregation, etc.) and goes on to demonstrate how the South’s agenda and its brand of conservatism, race relations, labor relations, religion, politician, music, food, etc. have come to influence the entire country like no other region. It is beautifully done, extremely informative and a really, really good read. Naturally..ahem…in his chapter on how Nashville and southern music took over the music industry there is a stellar reference to THE BAND. He likens The Tractors to our boys (“…music that perfectly caught the pinched, weary truculence of working-class America and turned it into something ragged and sublime at the same time. It was what The Band might have sounded like if they had spent their formative years playing at roadhouses in Lubbock, Tulsa, Odessa, and Amarillo.” Think what you may about The Tractors or Applebome's musical mind, the point is that our boys remain the bench mark for what’s real and good about Southern music (please back me up on this, it’s pretty big talk). [N.B. I am convinced that Applebome would have used The Gourds, rather than The Tractors, as an example of good, non-conformist Southern music had The Gourd’s first album been out when he wrote the book] So, as The South rises again, The Band is going along for the ride.

I ain't a Civil War-head. I'm a Bandhead for life and fast becomeing a Gourds-head (more commonly known as a "Gourdito")

JTull Fan: Thank you for your support.....even if you are a no-good, low-down, pin-headed souless Bush-loving Republican mf'er. :-) By the way, I never saw Tull in concert and am a fan, but I was in the Dallas airport a few years ago and lo and behold there, being pushed in a wheelchair surrounded by a motley and silent entourage, was Ian Anderson, caped, bearded, craggy, and with a silver tipped cane clutched in his hand. At first I thought it was Gen. Lee, but there’s no doubt it was him because I’d seen his photo and “Jethro Tull” was stenciled on a number of crates and cases that his people were lugging. Eventually I will visit the JT website, but if you have a current update, it would be appreciated. edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

butch

Location: wigo-ville

Subject: philly dawg

ok, kids,,, The North Star,,,,,,,,

April 18th ----------------- confirmed !!!!!!!!!!!!!

see ya there,,,,,,


Entered at Fri Jan 31 00:13:36 CET 2003 from h-69-3-177-11.lsanca54.covad.net (69.3.177.11)

Posted by:

Briana

Web: My link

I really liked the picture from the Rock Hall of Fame. I could really get into your style of music. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavours.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 23:35:31 CET 2003 from du-tele3-087.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.87)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Living in a political world

I'm only trying to avoid the around and around you mention. As to African-Americans being uncomfortable with the debate on slavery, I'm minded of an (American) editor who told me a photo of a New England town selected for one of my books was unacceptable. The reason? A church was prominent in the main street. She believed this might cause offence to people of other religions. I said, but in small New England towns the church is the most prominent building. No matter, it was deemed as potentially offensive. I don't for a minute think it was. You can't fall over backwards and second-guess what might cause offence. Failing to mention slavery would offend me if I were African American, not mentioning it.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 23:25:01 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Bob Wigo - How about Mick Jagger and "Honky Tonk Women." He's always in my opinion a great front man but when they go into that one he really seems to come into his own and it's hard not to "behold the King". Not that I'm saying it's a better song than Dixie but when you talk about connecting a singer with a song, wow.

Peter V. - Everything in life is political in one way or another. I could picture some African Americans might get a bit uncomfortable with some of the recent subject matter. Others have been bothered by some of the comments about domestic abuse. So I don't see why the Bush/Clinton stuff is any different, although it is tedious when the arguments just go 'round and 'round. The only thing that bothers me is the attitude I sense that anti-Bush comments are acceptable because they're so obviously "just facts" but the pro-Bush (pro-American) comments are not welcome.(By the way, let's hear it for Norway, whose F-16's helped the U.S. forces in Afghanistan the other day, the first bombs dropped by Norwegian forces since WWII!)


Entered at Thu Jan 30 23:10:37 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.151)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: "Dixie" Performance

The experience of seeing and hearing "The Last Waltz" in a well equipped theater was wonderful. The clearest recollection I have of that evening was looking around at an audience that was absolutely transfixed by Levon's performance. I really can not think of any popular song that was so intrinsically connected to a singer. A great song written by a great songwriter and performed by a man whose heart and soul went into every word.

Anyone have any songs that compare in that regard?


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:53:22 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Mike C and, especially, David P: Thanks for the response. I've always wondered in Randy or Craig were related to Bobby Fuller, whose fabulous foursome did one of the all time great '60s rockin' pop hits.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:45:23 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: I'll Fix Your Flat Tire Merle

Nick Gravenites with Big Brother & the Holding Co. on "Be A Brother". Later covered by Pure Prairie League on "Two Lane Highway".


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:33:16 CET 2003 from du-tele3-099.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.99)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: What's "political"

Ed- what’s “political” doesn’t involve the origins of the Civil War or Acadie or Native Americans or Wounded Knee or nuclear showdown (all legitimate IMHO) - it’s the old Clinton / Bush stuff (which has nothing to do with The Band) reappearing which always leads to bad feeling. On ‘Acadian Driftwood’ it is about the difference between English-speaking North Americans and French-speaking North Americans. Though Robbie screwed up the dates anyway, neither Canada nor the USA existed either at the correct date or the wrong date (what went down on the Plains of Abraham several years later) and as the Acadians moved along the coast, what hurt the most was the people there said keep moving on. So the Acadians got no refuge as they moved past New England and the Atlantic Seaboard – it’s not only (what would later become) Ontario that was worried about French colonial v British colonial ambitions or who rejected them. We’re into an earlier period of US history – let it roll.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:28:01 CET 2003 from h-68-164-227-97.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.227.97)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, it's the one with the bar in the back. Can't recall the name, but I can recall the tune. Ouch, I've been struck dead.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:25:56 CET 2003 from h-68-164-227-97.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.227.97)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed, I think what Peter is talking about is political discussions for their own sake, which in the past have led to name-calling, flaming, et al, especially by jTullfan. That, by the way, is internet humor, as in mattk's recent post. Discussing the Civil War as an outgrowth of TNTDODD is entirely apropos, as is discussion of the other subjects you mentioned. It's called "scrolling" if someone has a problem. I myself have learned a lot about the song in the last few weeks.

Ahh, the performance of Dixie. Some random thoughts: the horn intro on RoA was still in use during the 1976 tour but was rewritten for TLW to incorporate the "look away" part of the original "Dixie". The RoA version was quite laid back (as were many of the other songs from that era), but the song gained intensity through the 70's. The 76 tour was again very impressive with Levon singing for his life. I'd call it one of the three great performances from TLW, and it was also amazing on SNL. Also at TLW, the crowd buildup in the descending section before the final chorus is chilling, one of the few times the audience interrupted a performance. Garth always shone in this song, especially across the third verse and final two choruses. BtF is particularly nice for Garth (overdubs and all) but there's a moment on the King Biscuit radio show where he plays a quick burst during the last chorus that sounds almost like Aaron Copland. I've always wondered who came up with the bass line. Unlike most rock tunes, the bass doesn't subscribe to the root tone but kind of walks through the chords, sometimes playing the root, sometimes the third, sometimes the fifth--especially in the chorus. The descending part is also really nice for this kind of thing. Robertson said he wrote it on the piano, but it smacks of Garth's influence, a very classical use of the bass. Levon's drum sound on the original is perfect. In the course of the OQ's career, Levon went from no ride cymbals on the chorus to ride cymbals on the chorus back to no ride cymbals on the chorus. The harmonies are exquisite, especially Richard's reach for the high "a" on the last chorus.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:12:23 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

On Feb 11th Eric Von Schmidt's 2nd Right, 3rd Row which features Garth Hudson will be re-released on cd by Tomato Records.

Lucinda Williams will release a new one on April 8th called World Without Tears. In a recent interview she said one of the tracks ("People Talkin'") reminds her of The Band.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 22:03:25 CET 2003 from (193.203.142.76)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Rebel Cork
Web: My link

Subject: It's a long long way from Clare to Tennessee

Ooops!....I kinda knew I might tick off a few Civil War-heads in here........

.....and I apologise unreservedly for that......Pat Brennan and Ed Voci, in particular........you both obviously have studied the era and the events........whereas I am writing purely from the gut........dangerously wild interpretations from what little I have read and studied.....and sorta experienced ....having been born/schooled in The USA........and travelled down South........

However, not one of you disagreed that The South DID rise again and take over the world.........

Because it DID....Didn't it?........

.....and, Pat, I'm playing in Ennis a week from Friday.........playing music, which for the most part, has its rythmnic roots in The Southern States of The USA.....Rock'n'Roll.......in the county that is the home of Irish Trad.......Clare........

wassa name of that hardware store agin?


Entered at Thu Jan 30 21:55:15 CET 2003 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Subject: changing tires

Bill - I recall that tune; not sure what name it was relased under, but I believe that Nick Gravenites was the singer.

A bus full of merry prankster types stumbles upon the Muscogee Okie himself broke down on the highway, and magnanimously offer to assist him, demonstrating that there are no hard feelings about his hit song.

"I'll change your flat tire Merle; Don't get your clean country hands all covered with earl..."


Entered at Thu Jan 30 21:42:44 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ed Voci

Ed, well put. As I've said before, the Band's music was not created in a vacuum. Also, what we have sometimes forgotten is that being 'political' requires us to sometimes NOT say something knee-jerk as opposed to speaking from the gut all the time. Flaming is not political; it is fighting.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 21:22:02 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Peter Viney, Civil War discussion, "political" posts

I'm lost on what's "political". If a discussion about the Civil War derived from the lyrics and musical voice of TNTDODD is "political" and not permitted, the scope of this GB will be greatly and borishly limited. How could anyone talk about Acadian Driftwood without quickly wanting to know or say something about British and French colonialism in Canada? If someone wanted to talk about RR's song "Showdown at Big Sky" which was about nuclear war, what is anyone allowed to talk about? Or what about RR's focus in the '90's on Native American music and his support for Leonard Pelletier? Is Wounded Knee off limits? Was Hank's righteous comment that Native Americans were screwed a "political" comment and therefore out of line? Hank also talked about how the turmoil that occurred in the South after the Civil War developed rock & roll. Is that "political" or "musical"? Though he and I have different versions of the turmoil, so what? Isn't disagreement healthy and clarifying? Didn't the barman say that "strong opinions" are welcome? I thought the barman's knuckle raps were more directed toward the personal attacks, ethnic slurs, and what, I think, is called, "flaming" (loss of temper, name calling, etc.) than toward, as Pat Brennan called them, "deep" discussions about The Band and its music. This is a slippery slope on which you are treading. It is best left to the reader to either scroll on by or read on through.

edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Thu Jan 30 21:06:53 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Ed V: I can just hear Merle singing, "I'm proud to be a fahngo from Durahngo" or even "I'm glad to've had a fandango in Durango". By the way, does anyone remember the stoner answer song to "Okie" - "I'll Fix Your Flat Tire Merle" - by either a reformed Big Brother and the Holding Company or a reformed Electric Flag in the mid-'70s?


Entered at Thu Jan 30 20:57:58 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Levon Helm

Ed: Wonderful, i dont believe it from a The Band fan. I give you the time to listen to MY album, and we will open a new project. Like anyone here in I have my dreams and my fantaisies too. I show you a clue: Levon is in the project, i am not profanating the Holly Garden.

Thanks Lars for your comment about Levon.
By repeating all the time that, for me, TNTDODD sumarizes in Levon chopping wood, that sentence finally got a rational meaning.
Why Levon and not Virgil ? the response can be found in the last post of Mr Lars.
The following idea now seriously needs a help from some English literacy specialist.
In my manner, i can expose it by my belief that the action of "Chopping Wood" is the most concrete in the lyrics (present narrative). The first vesre telling about Virgil working in the Danville train (despite of all the historical signification) is in the past narrative. Thus in the psychic of the listener, the transposition of the past at the moment when he is listenning follows the same loose of concreteness of the narrator himself. The last verse which sumarizes in a promise transposed in the future narrative following a painful recall is more receptible.
To be complete with this approach, we must talk about the people singing and the bells ringing. Now this is an unpersonal action,which appears in the song like the "Chorypheos" in the Greek tragedy, or the bacground in a portayal picture. Thus it is lifted at a much lower importance for someone unfamiliar with the Historical context.

David Powell: thanks for all what you are doing. You are saving me from the Sergio Leone image whose i am prisoner. Peter: Modesty. Read above, this very post will be another occasion to get some help from you. And the cause it is noble and the cause it is right.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 20:28:51 CET 2003 from du-tele3-077.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.77)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Conny K - and general stuff

Conny Kramer: Not my translation – I was only the intermediary to someone who could translate it for us. At least it avoids the mud / blood / Robert E. Lee problem! BTW, the translator knew the original and described it as mind numbingly awful.

The Civil War is probably on people’s minds, maybe subliminally, because of the world situation. Film historians are fond of quoting how “Gone with the Wind” was thought to have delayed America’s entry into WW2 because it personalized the horrors of war. I guess from the British point of view that was an undesirable result. In its historical context there is an aspect to Dixie which personalized war at the height of the Vietnam conflict. BUT let this not lead to more political posts, because since our barman rapped the counter and brought us to order, this GB has remained far closer to Band lyrics and music. It’s been a busy and productive couple of weeks. As this is a site in words, it’s often easier to discuss lyrics than music – though Lars does a particularly fine job on the music today. I’m up for a discussion on Acadian Driftwood – I probably said everything I could think of in the article on the site. In the end it’s a shade lesser a song that TNTDODD, because it was too conscious an attempt to emulate it. But even so, a great lyric, performance and piece of music. But one they found it hard to do justice to live. At least they tried, unlike ‘Daniel & The Sacred Harp’ and ‘Jupiter Hollow’ which are in my Top 10 Band songs, but as far as I know never performed (though Rick Danko would sometimes do two or three lines of Daniel between songs).


Entered at Thu Jan 30 20:20:21 CET 2003 from node14654.a2000.nl (24.132.70.84)

Posted by:

emanuel

Location: amsterdam, the netherlands
Web: My link

I've been a great fan of this site eversince I bought my first record of the band a couple of years ago. I've allways loved to see how the members are doing (especially to see what Levon is up to as I am a drummer myself). untill today I saw the pictures as a world far from mine. if only because of the distance. that changed when I looked at a couple of pictures on garths photos list. I recognized the two young brothers who played along in Jeff Healys cafe. I remember them so well 'cause the first thing I noticed when I saw the bassplayer play was that he played bass just like (early) Rick did, technique and movements. I played along with them on drums in a small blues bar in downtown amsterdam called Maloe Melo (Jeff visited this place too a couple of times) nice to see that the brothers are doing well. maybe see you some other time again. emanuel


Entered at Thu Jan 30 19:57:19 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Hank, Pat Brennan, David Powell, the fango front

"There's no doubt, however, that after Lincoln was assassinated....the people of what was The Confederacy were screwed over BIG time........rich or poor, black or white, slave or free......" (Hank)

Hank: This is a gross mischaracterization of that period. The ten years of Reconstruction was a fascinating period and I recommend "Black Power USA", by Lerone Bennett, Jr. in addition to DuBois. The overthrowing of Reconstuction and its aftermath amounted to regional fascism. The KKK, thousands of public lynchings, Jim Crow, The Sovereignty Commission in Mississippi, Bull Connor and resistance to the civil rights movement, etc. are a far cry from your simplistic and very wrong formulation.

In short, the Civil war as a power struggle between two economic models between which the status of labor power was the key distinction (and for which the ruling elites on both sides were willing to spill the blood of hundreds of thousands of common people to protect and expand their respective investments). Lincoln sought to guarantee slavery in the South for the sake of "preserving the Union", a euphemism for maintaining a "great" (as in "imperial") nation which he wanted to be a dominant player in the world (i.e. compete with and surpass the European powers). The South saw that its slavery model was being contained and would one day face destruction either from competition with cheap non-slave labor or the morality of the Abolitionism, or both. White labor vieweed slavery as a competitive model that might make it, white wage-labor, redundant (which, Mike Carrico, is why ex-slaves as an influx of competing wage-workers would have mattered a great deal to Virgil particularly if had not owned slaves). The moral issue of slavery was an overlay to all of this. The two finally coincided when Lincoln turned to the Abolitionist movement and African Americans themselves (i.e. he needed more blood spilled to win the war and to disrupt slavery in the South) in 1863 and begrudingly signed the Emancipation Proclomation which freed slaves only in the South. So, I agree with Pat and Al Edge: slavery was the core issue of the era and the Civil War.

David Powell: Thanks a lot for the book tip, I had a feeling you'd know. It will have to wait until next week, cuz I bought Empty Now's favorite Kansas CD this week (along with a bunch of others, of course). Gee, maybe I'll simply go the library, just like RR and LH.

Pat: I've emailed you twice.(If edwardvoci@aol.com is still not working for you--it is working for others-- try my office at voci@earthlink.net)

Speaking of LH, I'd love to hear him pronounce "fango" and I bet no matter how hard he tried it would never come out as the proper Italian FAHN-go. He'd twang that thang from here to the fandango in Durango. :-)


Entered at Thu Jan 30 19:52:35 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: Exactly 300 miles far from Sardainia (one Island of Italia )
Web: My link

Subject: The Night Conny Kramer died

Peter: I didn't add anything by finding the German version. YOU added something worthy when translating it in English. The page in this site (see the link please) needs your text. You ought to submit it to Jan



Entered at Thu Jan 30 19:33:19 CET 2003 from stjhts25d056.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.249.185)

Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: civil war

What is this, a history web page? Why is everyone so obsessed with the Civil War? Why are there so many civil war buffs? Why would anybody want to be any kind of war buff at all? Kind of a strange hobby to have, celebrating war. Lets get back to the music.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 19:06:40 CET 2003 from (64.208.177.9)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: North of Dixie

Subject: The Romance of the Lost Cause

Since this thread is not going away, I might as well contribute something ("If you can't beat them, join them").

I am an avid Civil War buff, I belong to a local Civil War Round Table. I stop short of getting into re-enactments because I refuse to have anyone point a weapon (even with only a primer loaded on action) at me. I named my youngest child after John Pelham (1838-1863) and every July 3rd I find a hayfield similar to the Gettysburg field where Pettigrew and Pickett's men charged, and I think of those poor Virginians/ North Carolinaians (and others) who walked into that deathtrap. I think of Alonzo Cushing firing his last cannon shot as the remnants of the Confederate charge overran his position. He'd been wounded three times and was dying when he put his bare thumb over the cannon vent, burning the flesh off his thumb as his other hand kept his entrails from falling out. It was Cushing's cannon that Lo Armistead put his hand on (supposedly) just before receiving his mortal wound. A glorious day for some, probably for the people who weren't there.

The Civil War was fought with outdated tactics and modern (for that time) weaponry. It was brought about by politics and the belief (by most people) that the other side was not actually going to fight over the concept of states rights. Lincoln put a spin on the Union cause after Antietam when he freed the Confederacy's slaves. But the end result was that the common soldier suffered greatly and died without ever seeing glory. Maybe it's a good thing so many posts in here are about the Civil War, because we are on the brink of another war. War is not glorious.

But I thought this was the Band music site. It's true that no one can tell us what to talk about, this is an open forum. It's just that once in a while I miss hearing about the Band. Levon's "presence" when he sang TNTDODD at TLW, he looked like he was going to pop through his blue shirt as he gave that superb performance. Rick's endearing ways on stage as he seemed to love everyone in the audience (except the sound man, who he kept an eye on at all times. Rick's ear was so finely tuned that after a song you might hear him say to the guy in the back, on the board, "You moved it again, didn't you?"

I think of the times I watched the original Crowmatix and I always stood in front of Jimmy Eppard and watched in amazement as he played his guitar. I think of Little Elmo keeping the beat on his base, his feet bandaged and barely able to walk...and he'd pound his foot until the bandages started to unwind. I always enjoyed (and still do) the energy Miss Marie put into her performances. I always thought she was often not given enough credit. I get a kick out of hearing how the boys would try to lure Levon into his studio to help out with a Band song....and Levon not even looking back as he walked over to the house. Or how Garth will NOT talk about Bob Dylan, his respect is too deep. Or watching Jim Weider's face as he performed a difficult solo. Then watching his face change as his boyish grin showed a bit of mischief in it. I think Jim really does love what he does. There's a lot to see at the various shows performed by the JWB, The Barnburner's, the Crowmatix, and Eppard's "Retro Rockets." I think March 8th's Garth and Maude Hudson show will probably be very special. We in the Northeast are blessed to have so many talented musicians.And I think this guestbook is lucky to have a direct link to these musicians when Butch posts. He's the "real deal" who knows A LOT, and let's out his little pearls, a little bit at a time. He could write one HELLUVA book, but he'll never tell that much because he's not only Levon's friend, but confidant. He's loyal to Levon even when Levon puts a nice, fragrant burger under his nose and says, "You want some?"....knowing full well that Butch's medical condition forbids him from eating any animal protein. Butch sticks with his salad.

There's a lot going on out there, and I am not even close to most of these people. Just think of the stories Serge could tell....or someone who actually is friends with these guys (like "Bones" or some others who post in here). I'd love to hear Rick's cousin open up and give us a glimpse of how it was to be around these guys.

Maybe someday these people will tell us about what they experienced with the boys in The Band. Until then, I guess we've still got our threads to keep it going.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 19:03:48 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: my posting name

well folks it seems someone else is posting under my name so i'll be posting under the name OZZMAN from now on.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 18:58:12 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: RR looks at history

Spinning another thread here: While "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" paid homage to Levon's Southern ancestry, Robbie Robertson mined another historical vein in "Acadian Driftwood". The latter song perhaps can be viewed at as a tribute to his wife's French-Canadian background. As "TNTDODD" was set against the backdrop of the United States Civil War & its aftermath, "Acadian Driftwood" delves into the strife between the British & French settlers in Canada.

Although both songs deal with events of the past, the bad blood at the heart of both historical situations still runs hot in the present day. Both songs can be considered companion pieces as examples of Robertson's cinematic approach to the art of songwriting.

On a certain levels, both songs interweave history with Robertson's own personal development, as would his later works examining the plight of Native Americans. Like a cinematic lens, Robertson's artistic vision can be seen panning across a wide scale of events and then focusing in tight close-ups of individual stories.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 18:56:58 CET 2003 from (207.164.242.2)

Posted by:

Mike B

Location: Calgary

Great resource, people. I ain't no Levon, but Ronnie and my mandolin shared the same stage. Great memories. 'Stage Fright' says it all.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 18:40:21 CET 2003 from du-tele3-178.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.178)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Night Conny Kramer died

Well, I asked a friend, and here is a translation of the lyrics of the "German TNTDODD"- it was not only a hit but much reproduced in German teen mags of the early 70s, invariably credited to Joan Baez.

We lay dreaming in the grass
Our heads full of crazy ideas
And just for fun he said
C'mon, let's go for a ride
But the smoke tasted bitter
Still, Conny told me what he saw
A sea of lights and colours
We had no idea
What soon would come to pass

The day when Conny Kramer died
All the bells were ringing
The day when Conny Kramer died
All his friends wept for him
It was a hard day
Because a world inside me fell apart

He often promised that he'd leave it alone
That gave me fresh courage
And I persuaded myself
That, with love, everything would be fine
But the joints became trips
There was no stopping the downhill slide
People started talking
But nobody offered Conny help

The day when Conny Kramer died, etc.

The last time he said
Now I can see heaven
I screamed at him, oh come back
He could no longer understand me
I didn't even have any more tears
I had lost everything I had
Life simply goes on
All that's left me
Are the flowers on his grave


Entered at Thu Jan 30 18:07:29 CET 2003 from rrcs-nys-24-97-50-254.biz.rr.com (24.97.50.254)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Civil War Books

I've not read it, but I understand "Secessionville: Assault on Charleston" is an excellent tome. The author is a real bastard, though... ; - )


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dave Powell

An excellent book, Dave!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Battle of Antietam

Following Ed Voci's query regarding a Civil War book that focuses on the carnage of that war -- I recommend "Landscape Turned Red: The Battle of Antietam" by Stephen W. Sears. This book is an in-depth look at the Battle of Antietam Creek at Sharpsburg, Maryland, Sept. 16-18, 1862. In Robert E. Lee's first attempt at invading the North, the Army of Northern Virginia faced Union troops led by Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan in one of the most intense battles of the Civil War. The fighting on Sept. 17, 1862 resulted in the bloodiest day on American soil in history with casualties of 12,410 on the Union side and 10,700 for the Confederates. It was a painful reminder of the futility of war, for although the Union achieved somewhat of a stragetic edge, neither side was really victorious in light of the huge losses suffered.


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Posted by:

Bill

BEG: Nice to see you posting again. You and Paul G might be interested in seeing then and now photos of Eugene Smith and guitarist Sam Hurrie - 1961 and 1991 - at www.samhurrie.com. If you were impressed with the Downchild saxist at some point in the last 20 years it would be Pat Carey, who's still with the group - and won the Sax Player of the Year award at the Maple Blues Awards on Monday. He's also in Danny Brooks' Rockin' Revalators with Fonfara and Richard Bell. Finally, I love that Woody Guthrie (?) line you quoted - "This machine kills fascists". It reminds me of a verse in a Tom Lehrer song: "Join in the folk song army / Guitars are the weapons we bring / To the war against poverty, disease and injustice / Ready, aim, SING".


Entered at Thu Jan 30 16:40:32 CET 2003 from h-68-164-11-194.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.11.194)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, it would be difficult to say the Civil War was about economics then paint slavery as an adjunct, a "divisive issue" as you put it. Slave labor was the basis of the Southern economy, and by limiting slavery to the places it existed--one of the base theories of Republicanism--you not only attacked an economic system, you also limited its political expansion. And your inference that Lincoln fronted for some cabal is misplaced. Lincoln, for all his bumpkinish charm, ran the show.

Have you stopped in the hardware store in Ennis lately?


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: "Amazing Grace"

Bandfan- That comes from the soundtrack to "Any Given Sunday" Volume 2. It is indeed Robbie playing, "Amazing Grace." It's a wonderful version IMHO. Not because it's Robbie but it's just so rich in that seering guitar that I love hearing so much. Jeff Beck did a version on "Merry Axemas" but it sounds too rushed. You should take a listen to the instrumental version of "Out Of The Blue" from the same soundtrack. Beautiful work.

Tracy


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Italianisation of the Civil War - La maestria of images strength

Everybody remember a few months ago, we discussed the reenactment. I then said that in my conscious memory, the most evokative images of Civil War remain from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly". The GB being our only chance to be ourselves and subsequently to my own talk, i come back to that context. More exactly, I see the image of the young dying soldier whom Eastwood gived a cigarette, followed by that wonderful music of Morriconne. I'll never forget the visage expression of the soldier, when all the causes are missed and only remain the body suffering and the expectation of death. I swear by the fango under my feet that i dont remember if he were gray or blue, i only see the almost lived expressive reality of his human visage.
Viewed from exterior far, that's all what the significant of Civil War is.
Listenning to TNTDODD, I only see Levon chopping wood. It's still of actuality, it is sufficient for the exegesis of the TNTDODD to continue, and the more interesting when it is done from a wide range of cultural backgrounds.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Levon in Philly

Butch, lets make the Philly thing happen!


Entered at Thu Jan 30 12:08:29 CET 2003 from (193.203.142.132)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The Day the South Rose Again

Tanya Yucker recorded "Dixie"?........Wow!......Did Glen Campbell produce it or wha?....

Ben Pike: The Civil War WAS about economics........and political independence........The enslavement of generations of Africans was just the divisive issue to spark it off......in the 1790ies, some place like Vermont or Maine tried to leave the Union.....over Liquor laws......it was a rebellion against The Union.........

Back then, The USA was not this Huge Homegenous Oneness that spread across the continent.....like it is (just about) today......with baseball, hot dogs, Oprah, Rap Music, MTV and Grateful Dead-Heads in each and every state......it was a wild and untamed wilderness and the individual states felt and acted very independent of each other........Texas was a republic on it's own not too long before The Civil War. (To be a republic was the main political idea in those days.....stake out a piece of this rich land, defend it, harness it's resources and have yerself a reee-public.....having slaves was handy for that purpose.......and looky here.....there's slaves in that darned bible....preacher told me so.........)

Since The Civil War and the rapid expansion that followed it, the USA has grown into a nation..........a great nation...... the like of which the world had never seen before......THAT was Abe Lincolns great achievement.....to have the vision that the country would expand, strengthen and solidify as a UNITED Federal Union.......with ALL the peoples living within it and emigrating to it being able to partake in the vast richness of the land.......whether they be African, Asian, Baptist, Catholic or Jew........to be free....... to harness the strength that lay within the land.........which they did....and continue to do so......(except the natives....who got screwed.....no matter what way you look at it......and a great price will have to paid for doing that to those people.....pray that it's not coming down since Sept. 11th, 2001 ).

Lincoln knew.....or, at least, the people he was working for, knew, that if the states starting splitting up.....the continent would be prone to invasion by foreign powers and the whole idea of a United States would have been lost.........

The great thing that Lincoln did was to keep the "united" in The United States of America......Don't forget......The Southern States that went on to form The Confederacy left The Union... one by one!......not en masse......it was The War of Secession at first......and how long would have The Confederacy lasted if they defeated The Union in the early days of that war?....probably not very long.......no doubt they woulda argued about local liquor laws and religious practices before long........there's no way the Confederacy was gonna turn into a nation......THAT woulda defeated the whole purpose of leaving The Union in the first place........no, you can look to The Revolutionary War and George Washington and all that, but The United States of America, as we've come to know it, was born during The Civil War.......

There's no doubt, however, that after Lincoln was assassinated....the people of what was The Confederacy were screwed over BIG time........rich or poor, black or white, slave or free.........but then again, as I always maintain......these ex-rebels and these ex-slaves, together, in their misery, invented Rock'n'Roll between themselves and went out and conquered The World......The South Rose Again...... Elvis and Chuck led the charge........Levon Helm was the drummer-boy..........

I'd better stop writing now.....'cos........y'know.....I tend to get carried away here..........


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: PS

By searching for possible translations, i am essentially attempting to proof that the only respectable one must be in Italian language. Thanks Ed for reminding me the "singability"


Entered at Thu Jan 30 10:53:39 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: going out of The Babel Tower
Web: My link

Subject: Better shut my mouth

Peter, MattK: Thanks for the feedback. I found that The German version was already in THIS web-site (check the link) with all the infomations ( it doesn't concern the civil war). My last post didn't add anything.
Can someone give indications about some existing translations, the research i'm currently doing is a hard work.
Once again, we must admit that the site of Jan is actually rich in informations.

Ed: Progressively the opera takes form, i felt that the posted Italian version needs an improvement....Always waiting for your critic about MY song....If you disliked the song, i'm not gonna change my name....can you imagine me called Sgt Pepper ?.....

How must we behave in face of a celebrity, we the anonymous folks. The recent stuff reminded me that the worst situation is when you dont recognize the star. I lived this experience by the past with a footballer, he was really offensed. Following a sympathetic beginning of discussion, i commited the crime of asking him "Sir, may you introduce yourself please"....


Entered at Thu Jan 30 08:33:43 CET 2003 from akcf1-ggi.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.237)

Posted by:

Tom

Location: New Zealand

Subject: This great web site

Great web site with lots of info.


Entered at Thu Jan 30 07:38:42 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

BANDFAN

Subject: MP3

WHEN DOING A SEARCH ON WINMX FOR RR I FOUND A MP3 DOWNLOAD UNDER HIS NAME FOR "AMAZING GRACE". DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS IS. IT IS AN INSTRUMENTAL VERSION ON GUITAR. FROM THE WAY IT SOUNDS IT COULD CERTAINLY BE HIM. THANKS, KEVIN


Entered at Thu Jan 30 03:25:17 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland tx

Al, I gotta think you're wrong. I've defended Robertson against Helm in no uncertain terms in this GB lots of times and never got banned. I think Levon has harmed mostly himself over the years by the same elements that cause toothless wonders to wave around the confederate flag and blather on that the civil war was about "economics".

It's wounded, mule stubborn southern pride. If you're from the south or given to acessive pathos, it's nobel. Otherwise it's as pathetic as ten fools running into a cannon. Or it could be, given the African/American slave trade "There are some crimes too terrible for remorse." Sure, the North was guilty too, all the more reason for the South to grow up and admit their sins. I've also, by the way, exchanged words with Amanda, and I've always found her to disagree with a lot of class. But then sometimes I get the people here mixed up!

PV, you're explanation is well and good, it's just that third song on "The Band" album where the guy, clear as bell, sings "The Robert E. Lee..." Another explanation? the Lee was thrown in because the metor doesn't quite fit perfectly without it... and it is a perfect record. An inadverted sop to even sylables that somehow become the stuff of steamboats.... Roz, come home honey....


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Butch

Thanks for the good news Butch. I'll be anxiously awaiting confirmation. There will be a good crew coming along this time around.

Spring is right around the corner.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: philly

April 18th ( unconfirmed today,,,,,,, confirmed tomorrow )

Levon & The Barn Burners in PHILLY,,,,,,

Wigo,, stay tuned,,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Dixie

Bill, there are a couple of popular explanations for the word "Dixie". Some claim it is derived from "Dixon" as it represented the states south of the Mason/Dixon Line. Others believe it may derive from the French word "dix" (ten) which appeared on some paper currencies in the South.

These are the two explanations I have most often heard. There certainly may be others.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Come to think of it, where did the word "Dixie" come from, and does it have a meaning (aside from specific states in the southern US)? I spent my first 18 years in a house at the corner of one of the two Dixie Roads on either side of the city of Toronto proper. Both are arrow-straight north-south roads in the grids laid out by military surveyors around 1800, though neither would have been anything more glamorous than Sideroad 18 (or whatever) until the 20th century. I don't see why the municipalities (Mississauga and Pickering) would have named them after the southern states, but can't think of anything else - unless there was something like a WW2 (or WW1 even) battleship of that name. The next town over from Pickering, Ajax, was indeed named after a warship.


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Ich bin ein Virginian

For giggles, I dropped the lyrics to Dixie into babelfish and translated them to German, and then from that German text, translated it BACK to English. The results are kind of amusing...

Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville course
Unil Stonemans came Kavallerie the rails again above violently tear up.
In the winter of ' 65, we were hungry, straight hardly alive.
Until May had tenth, Richmond fell, it is to a time, which I remind, Oh so me well

Which drove night it old Dixie down, and the bells were bells, which and which to night
which they drove old Dixie down, people sang. They went seeing
La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La

Back with my wife into threshing floor lake
when one day designated them to me
"Virgil, fast, come, go there to Robert E. Lee!"
Now do not care me I to chop wood, and I am not interested, if the money is not good.
They take, which your necessity and your vacation the remainder
but it should have taken the very never best.

Which drove night it old Dixie down, and the bells were bells, which and which to night
which they drove old Dixie down, people sang. They went seeing
La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La

Like my father before me, work on I the country
how my brother over me, who took a rebellious location.
It was proud and courageous straight eighteen
but a Yankee put it in its grave
Iswear I by the mud underneath my feet, you can not a Caine support raise, if he is in the defeat.

Which drove night it old Dixie down, and the bells were bells, which and which to night
which they drove old Dixie down, people sang. They went seeing
La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Anniversaries

David Powell's post on the pre-civil war slavery compromises is well timed. 153 years ago today, Henry Clay introduced the "Compromise of 1850," which set the boundaries of Texas, admitted California as a free state, and established the territories of NM, AZ, UT and NV with no mention of the legality of slavery in those states, and banned slavery in the District of Columbia.

In order to pacify the Southern slave-holding states, the Fugitive Slave Act (essentially requiring the extradition of escaped slaves back to their "owners" and making it a penalty to aid and abet escaped slaves nationwide).

Today is also the 142nd anniversary of Kansas statehood. Kansas, of course, was the scene of some horrific internecine warfare between abolitionists and pro-slavery advocates in the years just prior to the start of the Civil War.

Both events are significant to Civil War history. The Compromise of 1850 really represents the breaking point where the slavery issue could be kept from boiling over via legislative compromise. It's the second leg (after the Missouri Compromise and the Kansas-Nebraska Act) of a journey that began as early as the Constitutional Convention in 1787 that leads to the political stalemate which led to war.

The third and final leg was the Kansas-Nebraska act, which repealed the Missouri Compromise of 1820 that had established the Mason-Dixon line as the border between future slave states and future free states. The compromise set forth Stephen A. Douglas' (of Lincoln-Douglas debate fame) concept of popular sovereignty, whereby Southern States formalized the industry of slavery as a "states rights" issue, linking it back to the same arguments the Southern states made in 1787.

"Popular Sovereignty," as put forth in the Kansas-Nebraska meant that each new proposed state would be allowed to vote on their own as to whether they should be "slave or free." This change was significant as the US had maintained a delicate equality of 1/2 slave and 1/2 free.

In Kansas, this led directly to a migration of abolitionists into the state in an effort to push Kansas' vote to the 'free' column. This led pro-slavery forces (called "bushwackers," under William Quantrill) in the neighboring Missouri, a slave state) to raid camps of squatting abolitionists. In retaliation, violent abolitionists (called jayhawkers) led by John Brown (later of Harpers Ferry fame) to raid into Missouri and return the favor.

Kansas' statehood in the early part of the Civil War puts an interesting punctuation on "bloody Kansas" (though Quantrill continued to plague Eastern Kansas in the first half of the Civil War, including a bloody raid on Lawrence, resulting in the massacre of 187 civilians by Quantrill's men).

There were horrific atrocities on all sides, and "bloody kansas" marks a milestone in the sectionalist conflict. It set the stakes where the slavery issue seemed on an inevitable course towards a violent resolution.

Anyway, given the Civil War discussion of late, I thought it was an interesting bit of synchronicity that Jan. 29th 1854 and Jan. 29th 1861 were important dates that frame those final years as slavery moved from a moral and political crisis, to one of life, death, and the survival of the US as we know it today.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: TNTDODD in German

I don't know German at all, but sheer guesswork tells me this is not a "direct translation' by any means. Am checking it out!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 23:31:10 CET 2003 from (64.208.176.141)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Summary

Just for the benefit of any former gb'er who hasn't checked out this site in a while, please allow me to encapsulate what has gone down in the last couple of years in here.

We've had a civil war with our main character Virgil Caine taking a rest on his woodpile, trying to eat some pizza in peace. His wife has been in the cabin and smoking pot until she swears she can see Robert E. Lee. Virgil looks over, but can't see anything. When he looks back he sees a fly on his pizza, it's unclear if he catches it with a swipe of his hand. Disgusted, he flings the pizza into the mud. An unruly duck runs away with it. Virgil walks slowly back to the cabin for some flapjacks as the war continues into it's fourth year.

Sometimes we talk about the Band, too.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci (no autographs, please)

Location: Illinois

Subject: I swear by the fango below my feet; David Powell; Mike Caricco

“Antico” is a slightly better Italian word for “old” than is “vecchio” in TNTDODD. “Antico” [AHN-teekoh] means old and established whereas “vecchio” [VAY-keeoh] is used when speaking about old in units of time. For example, “Antico” is used in a phrase meaning “olden times”; “vecchio” when describing an “old man”. “mud” in Italian is the fantastic word “fango” [FAHN-go] which, in addition to being more accurate, sounds a lot better than “sangue” [SAHN-gway]. So, the line would read: “E lo guiro suqesto fango qui sotto ai miei piedi”. [AY LOH GWEE-roh sue-QUAY-stoh FAHN-goh KWEE SOH-toh EYE mee-AY-ee pee-AY-dee]

David Powell: The vast quantity of Civil War books is part of the problem. I was hoping there were a few which focused hard and in detail on the carnage, destruction, devastation, etc. and that you had one or two at your finger tips.

Mike Caricco: Thanks for responding. Right, we disagree big time. But, I won't throw no fango atcha. Loved your pun ("Caine't stop...). Now, about that phrase, "my bag is sinking low" in The Weight.... Basta. Arrivederci edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Wed Jan 29 23:05:20 CET 2003 from 24-197-165-58.charterga.net (24.197.165.58)

Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: In the Company of Hero's

Looking back at the Picture section, reminded me of the wonderful experience I have had meeting both Rick and Levon, and of course Butch. No words can ever describe the feeling one gets when such genuine kindness is felt thru one's smile. Thanks guys !!!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 22:58:29 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I don't know about Shania but Gwen Stefani sure looked good!

Super Bowl III - New York Jets, biggest upset in Super Bowl History. Hopefully they win next year!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 22:31:48 CET 2003 from pub26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.140)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: rr' champagne story/ super bowl flub

Peter V and WS Walcott:

Details, details. I first saw mention of the RR champagne story in the piece on his 1st solo record in MUSICIAN magazine.

WS Walcott: I believe i said 1st super bowl was 1966, being '66 season, played in january of '67. '66 being the year of the Dylan /Hawks tour. I know, im boring ;)

By '74 being the "first" I meant first Steeler Super bowl of their run. '74 of course was the '74 Dylan/Band tour. sorry If I was unclear. (Thanks for listening and responding! and wasn't "Shania" Awful? - arrgghh a music war)


Entered at Wed Jan 29 21:52:48 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: The Babel Tower
Web: My link

Subject: Virgil Caine in the World

And here is The German version!

Thanks Bassmanlee for learning us to not abuse of the GB by posting lyrics.

See the link Everybody please

The German title is "Am Tag als Conny Cramer starb" sung by Juliane Werding (???)

Please dont ask about the "THE", the "mud-blood",....even the name of Virgil Caine is changed, it is perhaps an adapted version

It has the merit of existing

comming soon....


Entered at Wed Jan 29 21:00:32 CET 2003 from h-68-164-14-11.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.14.11)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, get with it. Tanya Tucker's.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:54:23 CET 2003 from wcs1-pent-2.nipr.mil (206.38.114.99)

Posted by:

Nick

Subject: Band Autographs

I saw the Band do a great show at the Lincoln Theatre in Washington D.C. in '96. Fantastic show. Afterwards I went out to where the buses were and I gave my concert shirt to Butch who brought it on the bus and returned it back to me signed by everyone except Richard Bell. I caught him outside and he signed the back while I was wearing it. Definitely the most fan friendly group for me. I sure miss seeing those guys. Personally speaking, if I had to chose any concert in the world to go to I'd pick them every time.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:50:07 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Whoever posted two days ago as "Just One" claimed that Robbie forced the record store to charge (by buying DVDs) in return for autographs. I would just like to add that this is total nonsense. Robbie does not charge people for autographs. That is a record store policy, and as Tracy pointed out, some record stores do not have that policy. I have had the fortune of meeting all five members of the Band over the last thirty years, and they are all very generous with their time.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:37:35 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Dixie

At the outset of the Civil War it is important to remember that slavery was a divisive issue, not only as to it applied to the Southern states, but also as to whether the practice would be extended to the Southwestern territories acquired during the Mexican War. Students of U.S. history no doubt will recall how the Missouri Compromise and the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision attempted to deal with this issue.

At this turning point in the history of the United States, as the country expanded westward at its southern border, the issue of slavery was a moral issue as well as an important factor in the balance of political power between the Northern and Southern states.

Ed Voci: There are so many good books on the Civil War. I'm currently re-reading parts of Shelby Foote's 3-volume set. It's a highly-readable blend of the strategical military perspective with the concurrent historical background.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:26:53 CET 2003 from du-tele3-029.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.29)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: autographs and accents

Think we did autograph incidents before because I’m sure I told this story, but it was probably 1996 so what the hell (apologies if it was last week)… British comedian (and one-time singer) Jasper Carrott is someone I’ve mentioned before. He’s famous for his strong Birmingham accent on stage. Anyway, one Saturday night I was at the Holiday Inn in Swiss Cottage with my kids in the coffee shop. He came in and sat at the very next table. We left him be- he would have just finished his TV show. The waitress was Thai, didn’t speak much English, and he ordered his meal in standard Southern English- no accent. Then he took out a highlighter and the Woody Allen Joke Book and started marking it- he must have felt relaxed and private to do so publicly and I resolved to leave him be (though I am a fan of his work). So his meal arrived and just as he plunged his fork in, a kid arrived obviously sent by her parents, bearing an autograph book and a pen. The man was kindness itself, joked with her and signed his name- and of course immediately reverted to the strong stage Birmingham accent. When the Thai waitress brought his check, he went back into standard English. By the way this is not being fake- it’s having excellent communication skills!

A similar British accent story – which Al might confirm – concerns Cilla Black. After she took a few years off to have kids (in the South), she supposedly had speech lessons so as to regain her Liverpool accent before returning to TV. This is why her accent now sounds ‘over the top’ I guess. McCartney is another who exaggerates it – he tends to go in and out of it in some interviews. Accents shift – note Ben’s report on Paul Simon’s British inflection in 1967 (it’s noticeable on Live in NYC too). My son lives in the USA, where everyone thinks he sounds very English. Last time he came home he was twice mistaken for an American, to his huge surprise.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: SOOOOOOO Much Cavalry.....

Al Edge.....alright there, la? Lurk away for awhile there, boyo, and don't let 'em grind ya down.....

dat's what I do.....don't tell anyone........

OK.....just to take a left turn on this Dixie Thread..........

Which is worse: Joan Baez' version of "Dixie"..... or John Denvers?....

I've never actually heard Denvers version........is the arrangement like Joanies or wha?


Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:10:33 CET 2003 from jcsnwyqcortr1-fe0-0-171.dsl.wyoming.net (216.67.188.171)

Posted by:

jhwygirl

Location: west of the Winds
Web: My link

Subject: autograph experiences

Here is my 'autograph experience' with The Band.

In the summer of 94 (I think) The Band came to play Big Sky. I was ecstatic, being that there are very few bands that come within a short drive (4 hours or less) of here that worthy of that drive.

Having had associations with extended family members of The Band, the show was all the more exciting. Me and my friends were front and center for the whole show, singing along, with Levon even getting up from his drums to take a baseball cap offered from one of my friends (which years later I later saw him wearing in a Band video).

After the show, a son of one of the Band members came up to our group as we rested after the show, still front and center, telling us that we were invited back stage at Levon's request. My friend, knowing I was the biggest Levon fan around, walked back with me. Me being shy, I stayed in the background as my friend was invited on the bus to sit and chat with Levon. He kept trying to wave me in, but I had gotten (almost) like one of those girls who would collapse when the saw Elvis. I clammed up. Finally, my friend came out to get me, and drag me over to meet Levon. By this time I had had very short conversations with him via telephone, but in person, it was almost too much.

Levon stepped out of the bus, and extended his hand to me, and in a very southern drawl said "I am so very pleased to meet you." I don't even remember what I said. I was dumbfounded. Pleased to meet me? He hugged me. We talked. A person or two interuppted us for autographs, of which I provided the pen for.

I never asked him for an autograph that day, as I felt that I didn't want to make him feel like he was a 'celebrity'. He had become very real to me that day.

I remember his stringed, beaded necklace.

We hung out for a while, drank a beer with Rick. They invited us on down to a local watering hole, and we promised to stop. I remember thinking, as I was sharing that beer with Rick, that I was actually sharring a beer with Rick! And there was Garth! And in the midst of these glorious, legendary musicians was me!

When we went to leave the back stage area, I remember looking at the masses that had yet to leave the concert area, and how they were just staring at us. I can tell you that I have met, literally, dozens of celebrities, many of which most would consider much more famous that Levon, but I have never been so starstruck. I remember being led away, as I was discombobulated from the whole encounter, with my friend leading me away, laughing at me, and me being led by him, laughing and crying.

I kept the pen that Levon had borrowed for quite a while, and never regretted not getting his autograph. I look at the video, with Levon wearing a green Gros Ventre River Ranch baseball cap, and that will forever remind me of that encounter



Entered at Wed Jan 29 20:08:47 CET 2003 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Hey, baby what's your sign …

I agree totally. It's highly intrusive to spoil someone's meal and you deserve what you get … and what's more a fan should know the sign without asking. Robbie's is significant. A lot of us pleasant, creative, friendly, intelligent, communicative, good-looking, home-loving types share his sign.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:51:19 CET 2003 from rrcs-nys-24-97-50-254.biz.rr.com (24.97.50.254)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: hey baby, what's your sign

I agree with Peter entirely on the "champagne incident." As a rule, I don't even go near celebrities (whether they are merely locally famous or on a grander scale) when they are out and about on their own time. For kids it's certainly a different standard, but an adult should be capable of grokking when and where to leave folks alone. At a show, a promotion, between sets, even at a lecture or roundtable, it's perfectly reasonable to approach someone and ask for an autograph or just say "hi" (it's also perfectly reasonable for someone to politely refuse to sign an autograph, btw - that's why you ASK, which implies granting the request is at the discretion of the artist).

However, in an airport, in a restaurant, walking down the street or what have you, IMHO you should just leave them alone (unless of course you know them, or someone introduces you). While no one can expect you not to gawk a bit, it's a whole other thing to impose on a total stranger in a public place when they are minding their own business.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:37:17 CET 2003 from fry1qz.cm.chello.no (62.179.146.147)

Posted by:

Lois

Location: Oslo, Norway

Subject: Jeg er snill

I diddnt like this page. It was too musical.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:29:44 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.40)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Bassmanlee

"That he loved his mother."

From "Oedipus Rex"


Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:28:00 CET 2003 from gpf-t199.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.199)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Colin Linden

Sometime Band collaborator Colin Linden won "Producer of the Year" accolades at the Maple Blues Awards held Monday in Toronto. According to the article, this is an annual triumph for Colin. Also according to the article, he has produced The Band.



Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:25:06 CET 2003 from (129.237.250.26)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Autographs II--KEN KESEY

This autographing thread is worth continuing--how about most memorable autograph experiences?

Mine would be with Ken Kesey in Boulder, Colorado in 1989. I went to a thrilling performance in which Kesey was dressed to the nines in a tuxedo and backed by an orchestra, reading a folktale of his grandmother's. After the show he signed books. I had a hardback edition of "Demon Box" and he said, we do something special for people who bring hardbound books. Then he opened the book to page 161, underlined some sentences at random (don't have the book with me or I could tell you which ones), turned back to the front and rewrote the sentences into a spontaneous poem, and signed, "To Ray."

A great guy--truly lived up to his outsized legend. Merry Pranksters helped reinvent America.

So how about it--great autograph experiences, anyone? Involving the Band or others?


Entered at Wed Jan 29 19:13:09 CET 2003 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Web: My link

Subject: (The) Robert E. Lee

Bear in mind I first heard "Dixie" at a fairly young age. Having never been one for overanalyzing symbolism, probably due to an 8th grade English teacher who maintained that a character's name was "Jocko" because "he's the type who would write on locker room walls" (huh?), I tend to leave the DHM (Deep Hidden Meaning) to others and take things at face value. In addition to my tongue-in-cheek last post, to whit Virgil is chopping wood just because of reduced financial circumstances, I now realize that I've always remembered "The Robert E. Lee", not, I think, because of any fondness for Joanie's version, but due to subliminal carry-over from Tom Lehrer's "I Wanna Go Back To Dixie" which is, as another of our English teachers used to say, "the color of a different horse". In Lehrer's 'Dixie' (I'll refrain from posting the lyric, lest I offend - see link above) it's clearly THE R. E. Lee, and I always pictured a train, not a steamboat. But hell, I was even younger when I first heard that little ditty.

But still in all you have to admit* that it's the mood, not the details that have made RR's 'Dixie' stand the test of time. All this dissectionis a bit like the old "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" arguments. Let's face it, when these songs came out lyrics didn't have to be too profound for us stoners to find them heeaavyy, man. Oh well, beats the flame wars.

(* paraphrased from another T.L. song...what's the next line?)


Entered at Wed Jan 29 18:05:16 CET 2003 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Subject: Caine't stop talking about TNTDODD

Ed V - I appreciate your comments re "Dixie", and your points are well taken. But I think that the reason slavery is not addressed directly in the song is because it is not central to the narrator's personal tale, despite it's overwhelming importance as primary cause for the whole bloody business.

The voice of this great song is courtesy of one Virgil Caine, Civil War veteran, resident of Tennessee, married, age unknown. He has three verses with chorus, approximately three and a half minutes, to tell us about his experiences relating to the Big Fight. That's not much time, but he manages to cram in quite a bit of information. We learn about his service in the war, the death of his brother, a vision of The Great Man himself (or if you prefer, a steamboat!), and the difficult circumstances of his life upon his return home. He is relating to us what important to him about the subject. It is significant that he fails to mention slaves in particular, or slavery in general. It's just not very high on his list of reasons for fighting, nor as a consequence of losing that fight.

This is The Band's portrait of a typical southern soldier; industrious small farmer, humble but proud, courageous, loyal to his family and his "country". Someone who would resonate so well with Levon, that the words would spring from his very soul when he sang them. As Robbie said at the time, "I wrote it for him, aimed it right at him; and he says it all".

That's my take on it anyway...thanks for listening.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 17:34:25 CET 2003 from (65.88.119.254)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Dr John

Philadelphia area GB'ers, check out the Keswick web site (see my link) for a Dr John show on Feb 15th.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 15:59:52 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: WS Walcott

Emmmmm! just discovered that it is a song of Robbie, Sorry WS


Entered at Wed Jan 29 15:46:16 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: WS Walcott

Ed:Thanks, I hope after listening it, you will convince some The Band member to remake it, in an album we shall give it the title "Restore The Dream"

WS Walcott: Following my last post and being jealous of Italians, I launched a hopeless search of some French or Dutch translations of TNTDODD. I found a web-page (in the link) where your name appeared in the top. I'll be glad if it does interest you.

BTW: The title of the Document "Canada is het Belgie van de States" means "Canada is the Belgium of the USA", if it is true, that's wonderful (RR and RD are approximatively Belgians, the loop is closed ).


Entered at Wed Jan 29 14:44:46 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (which is near the rock group Kansas)

Subject: Empty Now

Sorry I disappointed you by not commenting on your name. I do not know that song by Kansas, so I was going to get it and listen to it before I opened my big mouth.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 13:35:46 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: is my bame and is my song

What's wrong with my screen today ?.......it is over-shining, did someone over-tuned the Light Intensity button behind me?...... No!.....Brown Eyed Girl is here.

Fred: Thanks for pointing out the presence of the blood version in the Italian translation I posted. Excuse me to disagree with your comment about English listennig in Italia, my own experience is something different. Everything is relative, relativeley to non-English European countries, nowhere else i found an equal receptivity of American cultural products. The cinema (Movies, Actors and Directors are much more known in Italia than elsewhere in Europe), also many kind of Anglo-Saxon music styles are enjoyed. And I talk about the wide majority of public, not essentialy the elit. I heard some years ago, in Venice exactly, two young ice-cream (gelato) vendors discussing in details about "Raging bull" of Scorsese, i was amazed. That's the kind of revealing clues that make the difference. Anyway.
I fear to initiate a "Mud-Blood" debate from the Italian version, I believe that this version must be seen in a more constructive way
I realized after discovering this version that, if only one official translation of TNTDODD should exist, it must be in Italian (this is perhaps the consequence of some Sergio Leone and Ennio Morricone influence), and, by the way, i dont know if another official version exists in any alterate language at the present time.
Let's remember that the prime idea started from the composition of an opera.I am not a well of culture but sincerly, i never imagined an opera in an other language but Italian.
Finally i owed some present to our friend Ed.
Thank you again Fred

Ed: I'm a little disapointed of the absence of comment in your later post about the song identified with my name. How can a man become one song..
I make the difference in the GB between suggesting music, and imposing my own tastes. Thus I will be brief.
The song "Nobody's Home" in Kansas album "Point of know return" (1976 remastered 2002) is a Shakespearean texn on a Shubertian music composed by a Rock Band. This is really something different. I stop here, because I got the ability of starting an endless talk-:)

Rollie: I WAS in TLW too, in the dark side of the screen.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 10:26:18 CET 2003 from 107.ppp135.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.135.107)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Country

Subject: GB, Polar Music Prize

DAVE Z: I feel the same way about gb.
A short notice from Sweden: This year's Polar Music Prize goes to KEITH JARRETT.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 06:19:15 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I've enjoyed the posts related to the Dixie dialogue myself... and my hat is off to those doing the searching and probing... and to the fun you are having... I myself keep coming back to this GB because I like the people here... I only leave when I get tired of reading my own posts... and besides, the music old & especially new still inspires me, and helps to heal my restless spirit at times... plus this place kind of serves as a nice jumping off spot for me to pursue various adventures... whether it's new books, CDs or roadtrips... so my prayer is that all the musicians who soooo entertain us, please may they continue to find peace and prosperity... and healthy challenges of give and take in what they do... enough at least to keep them doing what seems like to me they must love... anyway, tonight I feel real thankful for this resting spot... even though at any moment... something can erupt and hurt... kinda like life... I've also loved reading lately how the musical family has been doing benefits for their own... like for Hubert... that's inspiring too... ga-nite... good bless...


Entered at Wed Jan 29 06:14:28 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3613006.sympatico.ca (65.93.194.119)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Robbie / Louuuuuu

Of course Robbie wanted only champagne.....All Canadians only drink the champagne of gingerales......CANADA DRY

At the Dana Glover Event Robbie quietly was signing anything anyone wanted while Dana was signing her CDS.....I only brought my photos to show Robbie and I asked him to sign the photo I took of his former home in RIVERDALE, TORONTO where I placed a photo of himself from CARNY.....Robbie was promoting Dana that night....not his own music......So yes.....he does give free autographs...and photos......He was very friendly and talkative......but I kept looking at his hands.......well.....most of the time......

Bill....I saw Rough Trade at Convocation Hall once.....I wonder if Michael Fonfara was playing then.....and Eugene Smith.....yes I remember......Hotel California.....in Toronto.....I bet we were at the same shows......and.....Downchild Blues Band.....the sax player was my fave......He really knew how to get into the groove......

I was viewing the Woody Guthrie Tribute.....Robbie narrates.....Woody Guthrie......"This machine kills fascists".....Woody's guitar.....

In honour of Louuuu's RAVEN out today.....

But remember that the city is a funny place
Something like a circus or a sewer
And just remember different people have peculiar tastes
And the glory of love
The glory of love
The glory of love
Might see you through


Entered at Wed Jan 29 06:10:26 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

JTull: I liked your comment re: "Rober E. Lee Hysteria" several posts back. I tend to agree with that especially concerning an era when mass media was related to newspapers and word of mouth. Reminds me of the summer I spent working in Banff. For fun, some times, friends and myself would say things like "Hey ISN'T that so & so over there?" just ot see people's reactions. It worked twice. Once we said "Isn't that Clint Eastwood buying an ice cream over there?" had a nice group of people run over to the ice cream parlour! Another time, when Gregory Peck WAS in town, the same friends and I pulled the same stunt. Again got a group of tourists to run down the street. that was the same summer when I bumped into Angie Dickinson, but that's a story for another time

Al Edge: Darn! You reappeared in the GB before I could get my "Come back Shane" moment going. Chalk it up to time spent reading your next-to-last post of near biblical proportions!! (when's the director's cut DVD coming out?)

Scrolled back again to reread the Italian lyrics to "Dixie" posted by Empty Now. I noticed how the Italian version has sangue (blood) instead of fango (mud). I still think it's MUD, regardless of the Italian...that's because Italians are poor listeners of English!! (experience has taught me this)


Entered at Wed Jan 29 05:41:11 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (bordered by Lake Michigan on which the steamboat Robert E. Lee never sailed)

Subject: Al Edge, Nancy, David Powell, The Gourds

Al Edge:

The TNTDODD thread actually started with Rollie who noted the birday of Gen. Lee on January 19th. That prompted me to visit the link Rollie posted to the Gen. Lee website which reminded me that Gen. Lee had opposed slavery. I listened to the song again, reviewed the lyrics, thougth a bit, and wished I could write an opera.

Nancy:

You sound more and more like MGFN all the time.

David Powell:

Got any books to recommend relating to your comments?

Does anyone listen to The Gourds (the most significant roots music group since The Band)?

edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Wed Jan 29 05:24:59 CET 2003 from dialup-65.59.11.134.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.59.11.134)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

WSWalcott, go ahead.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 05:12:44 CET 2003 from 64-80-240-83-access.surferz.net (64.80.240.83)

Posted by:

muffy

Location: brrrrrrrrsville

IMO, there just isn't enough justice in this world. If there were, Garth Hudson would get the recognition (and renumeration) he deserves. He sure deserves a whole lot.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 04:39:47 CET 2003 from 1cust221.tnt2.hackensack.nj.da.uu.net (67.235.142.221)

Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Lifeboy, thanks for the Homespun link!

Not only do they have Jims' instructional videos they have Levons' drumming video and Ricks' bass video too, cool. Think it's a toss up between Jim's Rock-a-Billy set or the Electric Blues set. I'll let you know.

Thanks again from Ray G.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 04:20:33 CET 2003 from (66.103.46.238)

Posted by:

Another Joe

Location: The Rock (with Mo)

Subject: Guestbook and Biscuit

Like a couple of other recent posters, let me say that I bookmark the Updates page instead of the Guestbook. I don't have to get bogged down in these flames. The latest must have been a doozy.

Belated condolences to all friends of Richard Newell. His 'King Biscuit Boy' was the best vinyl I've ever found in a $1.99 bargain bin. That record became a favourite of my entire apartment building one summer (same year "Desire' was hot). Got to meet him some years later. He shoulda been big time.

Belated thanks to Crabgrass for the Moondog Matinee screensaver. I had it saved in the wrong file for the longest time but discovered it last weeek. A couple of clients have already recognized it and I have actually made a Band-buddy through it.

Please don't confuse me with any other Joe out there; there's at least one other

If I thought I'd do any good...


Entered at Wed Jan 29 03:20:37 CET 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

Ed: No, I'm a different Nancy. Your friend (MGFN) sounds like a hell of a woman - Band fan, blonde, likes writing and does it in an overwordy style - you should encourage her back to writing to the GB. It could do with some more female posters!!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 03:01:33 CET 2003 from (63.194.159.54)

Posted by:

Joe

Location: Arcata, CA

Subject: Homer Banks and/or James Banks

Homer Banks is one of Soul Artists listed by Peter Viney as having an influence on The Band. "All Music Guide" at allmusic.com gives a nice bio of Homer and outlines his song credits. AMG also lists a "James Banks" born on the same day as Homer (Aug 2,1941) in the same place (Memphis, TN) but with none of the same song credits. Are these guys twins, the same guy with different names or not related at all. While Homer is credited with "Aint That A Lot Of Love" on Islands, James Banks gets the credit for "Thats What Love Will Make You Do" on Jerry Garcia's albums Compliments, How Sweet It Is and Don't Let Go. It was interesting to note that, like Banks, Garth Hudson was born on Aug 2 in 1937. As some of you know, Garcia was born on Aug 1 '42. Regarding the Homer questions, someone please help me out. Thanks.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 01:24:35 CET 2003 from host217-40-193-68.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.40.193.68)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Web: My link

Subject: Ray G \ Jim Weider Videos

Ray, I've got one of his videos,it's pretty good and very easy to follow called "Get that Classic Fender Sound". I knew most of what he demonstrates but I still picked up some good stuff from watching it and he explains things clearly. Check out the link above, the "Electric Country Blues" tapes look as if they might be good with different stages. Let us know if you get one as I would be interested to know what they are like.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:52:57 CET 2003 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River

Subject: Instructional Guitar Videos by Jim Weider

Just wondering if any musicians out their have any of Jim Weiders' instructional guitar videos. If so what did you think of them and where'd you find them?

Thanks from Ray G


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:44:42 CET 2003 from 173.224.252.64.snet.net (64.252.224.173)

Posted by:

misty

Subject: 1999

november of 1999


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:40:09 CET 2003 from 173.224.252.64.snet.net (64.252.224.173)

Posted by:

Misty McK.

Location: you name it.....

Subject: The Last Waltz

I just want to comment on something funny no make that hilarious that I just watched. The Last Waltz is now on DVD, and there is a special commentary option that allows band members et al to speak during the performances. Now for the comedy...During Van the Man's performance he gets mocked for his purple jump suit. They go on and on about who drugged him and convinced him he looked good. Also thanks to Ed for that photo. I have one similar. It was taken in November of 2000 in Lexington KY at an Irish pub he was playing at. I met Rick and when we had the photo taken he told me, "let's put our heads together like the Beatles". Every time I look at that photo I smile. What a great man, he is sorely missed. BOB Wigo: I must have just missed you In Woodstock! BIG PINK! I probably passed you somewhere on Parnassus--is that possible even? oh well hello anyway. www.lilmid@yahoo.com GOD BLESS


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:39:07 CET 2003 from on-tor-blr-a58-02-136.look.ca (216.154.6.136)

Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: Scorcese Rider

Toronto Band fans: The Last Waltz plays at The Royal on College Street Monday Feb 3 at 7:00 and Tuesday Feb 4 at 9:10. See ya near the washroom at Neil Diamond.

It's a double bill with 'Standing in the Shadows of Motown'. Come on down!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:27:29 CET 2003 from stjhts22c104.nbnet.nb.ca (207.179.135.109)

Posted by:

WS Walcott

Location: clay county, missouri

Subject: james gang

Didn't Tommy Bolin replace Joe Walsh in the James Gang????


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:25:40 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Subject: ny

Hey BWNWITtenn - jump in quick and wave to Al. Ease his pain.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:24:36 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-016castocp0005.dialsprint.net (63.187.160.5)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: TLW

Despite all the differences of opinion,quibbling over who's who, who did what to who,and why who did what to who and what the outcome was,how much money he made or should have made versus who made nothing at all, song writer credits, just remember one thing. I WAS at the Last Waltz, and can be heard in the background on the recording. Thank you!


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:23:54 CET 2003 from stjhts22c104.nbnet.nb.ca (207.179.135.109)

Posted by:

WS Walcott13

Subject: super bowl/virgil caine/james gang

The first Super Bowl was in 1967, not 1974.

Please, please, who gives a shit if it the Robert E. Lee was the person or the boat. I am a big Band fan, but I have never been that fond of that song. Can't we find a new thread?

I stand corrected, the real brains behind the James Gang were Jim Peters and Dale Fox.


Entered at Wed Jan 29 00:23:13 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

It's always risky meeting someone you idolize, or admire. They are human beings and have bad days too. You always see them on album covers and TV shows when they have to be "on". So if you catch them in an off moment it can destroy all your dreams of what that moment should be like. Give 'em a brake. They could have the runs or something and just not be in the mood.

My take on R.E. Lee in the song was not of a boat, but of the real guy - "there goes-a Robert E. Lee".


Entered at Tue Jan 28 23:37:53 CET 2003 from cache-ink1-kno-hsi.cableinet.co.uk (62.30.0.3)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Last Post - not?

So after all that effort wrestling with the vagaries and intricacies of disintegrating relationships on the GB and striving to place them in some sort of perspective, it seems that the straightforward mechanics of a lifting of a ban had evaded me.

So much for the thoroughness of my research on this matter then.

That said I'm sure everyone here will excuse me if I continue to exercise some caution and await more tangible evidence of BWNWIT's restoration to the GB before resuming my own place on the board. After all, I'd hate to be bitten twice on the same spot. That would be terminally embarrassing. Also it will give me time to stock up the fridge with some more of those edible dictionaries I'm so partial to. :-o)

Whilst here though I would just like to say that all the magnanimous comments in just 24 hours or so since the post should remind everyone - not least myself and the protaganists of this dispute - of just how fine some of the souls on this GB really are. How fortunate we all are to have found a place amidst the cold, clinicalness of cyberspace where a genuine warmth of spirit can exist. Maybe, just maybe, if there could be a wholesale recuperation from that awful recent outburst of angst against the scarred backdrop of Levon's and Robbies impasse, it might just demonstrate to those sad blokes that the way forward should surely not carry such rancour. We can all but hope, however tenuous that hope might be.

Finally - one unforgivable omission on my behalf in my BTW's at the end of that monster post. Brown Eyed Girl - how could I have omitted to include a request for you to grace this board once more with your enigmatic posts? Shows I suppose how a simple oversight could easily seem like something altogether more callous or rude. And while I'm at it - how cheering is that to see a Matt K post? :-o)


Entered at Tue Jan 28 23:34:32 CET 2003 from du-tele3-151.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.151)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Damn! Too much information

In general, I'm suffering from information overload (partly the result of the Unsubstantiated sessions - and I will EVENTUALLY answer everyone who's e-mailed me recently). I'm delighted to see Matt K and Tracy back on stream as the Robbie lobby was getting pretty depleted - but there is one story from Rolling Stone (or Q?) circa Storyville about RR insisting on champagne (only available by the bottle) when a fan offered 'to buy him a drink' that is on the record. It does sound like a case of an arsehole interrupting a private meal in a pricey restaurant, and so the response was justifiable … in my opinion. The point about such restaurants is people don't get hassled, which is why they eat there. But it was noted by the interviewer. But I've heard a dozen more stories about RR being pleasant to fans. I think if you were having a pleasant private conversation and some overbearing twat muscled in and said "Let me get you a drink' your reaction might be similar.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 23:18:17 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: "...taken the very best"

I agree with Mr. Voci with regards to "taken the very best" referring to the sacrifice of life in the Civil War. The carnage of that war was devastating -- in part as a result of the 18th century military tactics that more often proved futile in the face of the 19th century advances in ordinance. The casualty figures suffered by both sides were astounding. When viewed from the perspective of its lower population base, the losses of the South are even more significant. I remember reading somewhere that one out of every four Southerners of conscription age was killed during the war. A great number of those who survived suffered severe injuries and loss of limbs. From that standpoint, Virgil Caine was indeed fortunate to have survived with the ability to perform manuel labor such as chopping wood.

Throughout the South, a young generation of farmers, wage-earners, husbands, fathers, sons and brothers was decimated. The practice of the States assembling regiments of men from the same general geographical areas only intensified the effects of the carnage. When a regiment incurred significant casualties, it often meant that an entire town, village or city was dealt of crippling blow. To make matters even worse, Confederate soldiers were often forced to fight on home ground -- the places where they grew up, the fields of their youth, became the bloody fields of battle.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 23:15:14 CET 2003 from rrcs-nys-24-97-50-254.biz.rr.com (24.97.50.254)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: the bells were ringing...

Well, at least we know that it was Rick singing on Dixie...


Entered at Tue Jan 28 23:15:04 CET 2003 from h-68-164-226-137.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.226.137)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I recall a Band show at the Valley Forge Music Fair in the round with Fred Carter on guitar and Blondie Chaplin sitting in. With Rick, Garth, and Levon. Mid to late 80's???


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Rob't E. Lee

I am pretty firmly in the "no 'the'" camp, but if Mrs. Caine did see a boat, would it have been this one? Would "L. Miss. R." include Tennessee? Where in Tennessee would the Caines have been living in order to see it; and would that provide any information (e.g. typical size/type of farms) to support one camp or the other? See link for more, including a couple of thumbnail paintings.

Name: ROB'T E. LEE The 1st one

Type: Sidewheel wooden hulled packet

Size: 285.5' X 46' X 9', 1,456.31 tons

Power: 40s- 10 ft., eight 42" X 28' boilers allowed 120 lbs steam

Launched: 1866, New Albany, Ind. by DeWitt's "lower yard"

Destroyed: 1876, dismantled at Portland Ky.. Hull went to Memphis to serve as a wharfboat.

Area: L. Miss. R.

Owner: Cannon, Capt. John W. of New Orleans.

Captains: 1870, June 30, during race with NATCHEZ

Pilots, Pell, James, Clayton, George, King, Enoch and Jameson, Jesse

4. 1870, Dec., Master, John Smoker

Comments: 1870, Jun 30, raced the NATCHEZ.

: 1870, Dec. 22, 2:00AM, collided with The POTOMAC.

LEE had to be grounded to avoid sinking. Was raised and repaired.

: 1870, JUNE 30, 4:55PM: Left N.O. for race with NATCHEZ.

1870, July 4, 11:25 PM; Made St. Louis Won by 6 hr, 36 min.

1870: Made run N.O. - Natchez, 0/17/11

1870: Set and held record, N. O. to St. Louis, 3/18/14

1870: Made run N.O. - Cairo, 3/1/0

1870: Made run N.O. - Donaldsville, 0/4/59

: 1870, Aug. Was fitted with new stacks of a plainer nature.


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Posted by:

Minotka

Location: The Prairie in the Bleak Midwinter

Subject: The Weight of Nothing

As we anticipate the Prez's State of the Union Address tonite, here is a Zen/Koan thought that's rather timely:

"Tell me the weight of a snowflake," a sparrow asked a wild dove. "Nothing more than nothing," was the answer. "In that case I must tell you a marvelous story," the sparrow said. "I sat on the branch of a fir, close to the trunk, when it began to snow, not heavily, not in a raging blizzard, no, just like in a dream, without any violence. Since I didn't have any thing better to do, I counted the snowflakes settling on the twigs and needles of my branch. Their number was exactly 3,741,952. When the next snowflake dropped onto the branch - nothing more than nothing, as you say - the branch broke off." Having said that the sparrow flew away. The dove, considered by many to be an authority on the matter, thought about the story for a while and finally said to herself, "perhaps there is only one person's voice lacking for peace to come about in the world."


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: labels

Promotional events set up by major labels involve a good deal of contracting and conditions between the label, the aratist and the venue (e.g. record stores). Usually, the label makes the artist available SPECIFICALLY with the condition that only certain, newly bought, items are signed (hence, why it is a SALES promotion). The artist is re-imbursed (directly or indirectly, as real $$$ or more likely part of the deal covering production costs for the recording, which artists have to pay back in spades to the label). Again, the label dictates to the artist what they should and should not sign as part of the deal.

In the case of The Band's Tower appearance in the 1990s, I highly doubt that either Pyramid Records (Jericho, HOTH) or River North Records (Jubilation) bring the same amount of formality or juice to the situation. Comparing those constraints to structure of the promotion that Capitol or Warners would set up for Robbie is plain silly. Comparing either situation to one of Rick's shows is patently naive.

None of this is meant as a slight on the "fan-friendliness" of Levon and Rick (in particular). Both guys are/were pretty outgoing and enjoy interacting with the public. Robbie, on the other hand, is on the record as being not nearly as comfortable or natural in such settings, which goes a long way towards explaining a degree of formality he may use in public to maintain his comfort level. A desire to construe this detachment as "anti-fan" or contemptuous is a bit of a stretch.

Some people are very outgoing with groups of people. Some people aren't. It says nothing about their personal character beyond the mere fact that some folks are more shy than others. Since we've yet to read of a Robbie incident over the last 20 years where he was a complete jerk to a fan, why not just assume Robbie's not a guy who likes to be surrounded by a crowd of total strangers acting like his best buddy. Frankly, I doubt the vast majority of us here would feel comfortable under such conditions.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Subject: autographs / teachings

I can recall asking for (and getting) three autographs. The first, when I was about 15, was that of George Armstrong, the former captain of the Maple Leafs. Pretty perfunctory, which is not surprising given the lineup of teenage boys. The first, ten years later, was that of Eugene Smith, whose LP I'd just bought from the stage; I'd prefer it was a case of expected behaviour rather than me traipsing around after the guy - but the fact that I've put the details out of my memory would suggest that the truth lies in the more embarrassing direction. The third, another 10 years on, was that of Australian author Thomas Keneally. He was in town to read from his travel book, "The Outback", which he'd been working on when he picked me up hitchhiking in the Northern Territory a few years before. He remembered me, introduced me to his publisher and wrote a very nice personal note in the copy of the book I'd brought along. (He had a clearer memory of my friend, an abolutely beautiful blonde woman - which is, I'm sure, why we were picked up in the first place!)

By the way, one of the handful of Keneally books I've bought over the years is "Confederates", the inside cover of which is a map of Virginia showing Richmond and the Danville train, though not Danville itself.

As for teachings, I kinda like the following rock 'n roll story (which was said to me to be true, but which is possibly apocryphal): a young man approaches the city's best rock bassist (Denny Gerrard of Bearsville artist Jericho) and says "Denny, will you teach me how to play?" Denny rips off an amazingly fast "Sailor's Hornpipe" and asks, "do you think you'll ever be able to do that?" When the answer comes back along the lines of "Oh no, not in a million years", Denny says simply, "Then there's nothing I can teach you."


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Posted by:

KLJ

Sadly, it all began with an innocent discussion about pizza. Let's move on from it and talk about music. I caught the re-broadcast of the Stones concert, and it confirmed what I have long suspected. I love there music but I can't stand to watch Mick Jagger on stage. My favorite part of the concert was when Keith took over the lead spot. Band-related note....Keith did a great duet with Levon (and I think most of the rest of The 90's Band) on the Moore/Fontana disc called "Duece & a Quarter". I love that song. Later


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Location, location, location

Harry, I have fond memories of the Valley Forge Music Fair as well. It was a great venue but, unfortunately, too soon gone. The Tower remains my favorite local venue and was my workplace for four wonderful years from '78 to '82.

There are, as you know, some other terrific venues in the area. The Keswick in Glenside, The Grand Opera House in Wilmington, the North Star Bar in Fairmount, the Tin Angel in Philly and the second generation "Point" out on the Main Line to name just a few. If you ever have the opportunity try to catch a show at the Kirby in Wilkes-Barre. Another great theater. We are fortunate.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Location: Up north where it's freezin' cold

Subject: signings, etc.

n/ It's interesting to note that at J&R Music, there was no stipulation made on what could and couldn't be signed by Robbie. The only thing was it could be two items per person, but once the line started to get longer, the restriction came down to one item per person. Not, whether you had a new copy of "The Last Waltz" or not. I was towards the beginning of the line and I heard the person in charge of the line saying this. I got a b&w presskit photo signed and so did my mom for a friend of mine. Neither was refused. If anything, he was sincere when my mom mentioned she just loved his solo work. Nobody was charged per item and if you wanted a picture of him, you just did it from the sidelines while he was signing or get the guts to face him and take a picture (which I did, and damn proud of it too!)

I think a major problem is people think an artist owes more to you in person than just a performance. You take me going to the huge show, NAMM that I attended a little over a week ago. There were plenty of musicians hanging around. I of course hung around the drumming area with my friend, Scott as we are both drummers. I got to meet some incredible people due to him. None had attitudes and I honestly felt more comfortable talking with them than some of my own family. We came across Sheila E. who was signing some stuff but I was very hesitant in approaching her. Scott told me that she feels she's above many other drummers. Somehow I got that impression. She acted more like a star than just someone you would want to simply say, "hi" to. Signings didn't cost anything there and they asked me if I wanted anything signed themselves. It was incredible meeting Carmine Appice, Kenny Aronoff, Dennis Chambers, Bernard Purdie, Steve Ferrone, Jim Keltner, John Blackwell, and others. I never expected anything from them. I will say Purdie put on an awesome performance backed by Larry Coryell at one of the display booths.

It all depends on what you expect. Personally, I would be offended by the Los Lobos members giving me the cold shoulder after saying something nice to them. I got to meet John Trudell in May of '98 and I was intimidated by his seriousness and intensity but he proved to be a cool guy which made me feel better. There's nothing like the feeling of being ashamed because you've said something complimentary of a person or their work and they don't know how to handle it other than being cold.

Tracy


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Peter: first impression. It is one. Super!


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, PA

Subject: Bob Wigo & Similarities

Bob:

Loved the Tower show with Little Village. "Solar Sex Panel" & "Big Love" stand out in our memory. How can you miss with Hiatt, Lowe, Keltner & Cooder in the band???

Crabgrass: Agreed on the worthiness of J. J. Cales' "Crazy Mama." Anyone who don't like it can skip over it. '96 was a good time for the The (Reformed) Band; however, 1994 was, as well. What I wouldn't give for a release of the August '94 Valley Forge Music Fair Show (just after the appearance at Woodstock, 1994). The Band was hot, LH took off the silver sunglasses when Mim made the suggestion/request, and "Stuff Ya Gotta Watch" miraculously came up in the rotation immediately after she yelled out for it... A coupla rows back in a small theatre in the round. The stage slowly rotates, giving the attendees more variety in the view; and probably giving any landlubber musicians a minor version of sea-sickness. Lee Gubers' VFMF (and another version of the same in Long Island, NY) have given musicians with a need for that size venue a place to play... Tower Theatre is bigger, nicer,and closer to the city - if you like that kinda thing... But Bob, for you, it's 6 of one, 1/2 a dozen of the other, isn't it? (Havertown kinda being in the middle of both).

Jeez, I seem to have found my double, and just a few miles away. Have you been reading our minds for decades now, Bob? (Or is it just a coincidence?)

And to the fellow who described our debauched parties - how the hell did you get invited over?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Writing & archery

Signings – I don’t really seek autographed CDs myself, though I’m delighted to have signatures from Jim Weider and Mickey Jones on their mail-order CDs. My wife does like to have books signed and we have quite a few which has allowed me to observe the wide differences in how people do it. Number 1 is Douglas Coupland. We were first in line and while the line was being organized and the table set up, he sat and chatted to us for over ten minutes and wrote a very nice and quite long funny note to my daughter (who wasn’t there, but the book was for her). David Attenborough is a genius at spending precisely 90 seconds per person and making every one of them feel they’ve had a special and meaningful conversation. Other authors look perplexed and just scribble something illegible The wise musician is generous with their time. I’ve seen some spend an hour. I’ve heard that all The Band are generous with their time – and that includes Robbie (from people with his autograph).

Empty Now. My favourite (if it is one):

A young man wanted to become a Zen archer. He travelled many miles to see the master and said, “Sensai, how can I become a Zen archer?’ The master said, ‘If you practise three hours a day, five days a week, you can become a Zen archer in 20 years.’ The young man was horrified, ‘Sensai, I haven’t got 20 years. If I practise eight hours a day, seven days a week, how long will it take me?’ The master replied, ‘Forever.’


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Zen - Koan - Continued / Ed Voci

The Koans in the Zen philosophy are very short stories, sometimes intended to expose an idea which is more difficult to describe in a clear manner, sometimes they are meaningless, anyone can find within just what he needs, etc.....The Koan of my previous post exposes my position (if it dose interest someone) toward the L-R debate, or any possible opposition between two from The Band Pantheon...These men, all these men, are too great...they are allowed to do, to say, or to think all what they need from my part. One Parabol, (which is surely not a Koan) says "Who never made a sin, throws the first stone" (sorry for bad translation)

Ed: I love the way that you find at each subject, a relevant qualification of the Illinois state, this is a wonderful consequence of a fruitful imagination, how long can you sustain.
My name (sorry for boring the GBers, they are already informed): like Simon says "Empty Now is my name and is my song". Please, listen to "Nobody's home" of Kansas band, in "Point of know return" album, you will understand all. Moreover, you will have no regret, it is actually a very good song (The Band should remake it, that's my secret wish)
Fruitful imagination: I'm waiting for some precisons about the Musical facet of TNTDODD


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

JTullfan, I totally agree that Virgil's Robert E. Lee in the apparition/mistaken identity area.

Have received emails detailing Robertson's obvious willingness to give out autographs, so I'll sit over there if you don't mind.

Didn't they run the Letterman credits against the fellahs doing Rock n Roll Shoes?


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: shania Twain at the super bowl

I hope this doesn't flame anyone but that Shania Twain gig at the super Bowl was the most hilariously awful "music" segment I have ever seen in my life! I got a kick of her moving thru the audience and at one point having to focus so much she forgot to lip synch. the Casio player was a howl! then she went off into the sky on that swinging contraption, how appropriate. I never had any real animosity to her or that stuff (Other than think that music that encourages inbreeding ought be discouraged, its just morally wrong) but that was a BAD GIG! And the Outfit! Bring back Vampirella!

Band Connection? Well our guys didn't go for that stuff much and should have played with Dylan at the first Super Bowl, when the Steelers won in 74, and The BB's and JWB blow those guys and Sting(K) away!


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: celebrity

I had the pleasure of meeting Last Waltz alum Mr. Ron Wood some years back. Very gracious and a hell of a nice guy.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Autographs

I think it's great that some Band members were more than generous with themselves and their time at places like Tower Records. Had I been there, I would have loved the chance to interact with them.

However, because Robbie Robertson doesn't do things the same way, I don't take that to mean he doesn't appreciate fans. And I don't use it as another reason to dislike him (don't dislike him in the first place, however).

I don't think we have the "right" to expect that Robbie, or any other "celebrities," conduct themselves like certain musicians who are exceptional in their outgoing-ness. (Or maybe we have that right, but are mistaken if we think the objects of our fandom have to agree.)

In fact we really shouldn't expect anything of them unless it's a performance that's worth the money we spend.

George Harrison--Mr. Gentle--was known for signing autographs as one of the OTHER Beatles. It's also been revealed that he sometimes would rip up what the fan offered him to sign. That information doesn't appear to have lowered admiration for Harrison.

I saw two members of Los Lobos in a record store right before I went to their show in Cincinnati in 1994, and made a remark or two about how much I liked what they did, and they gave me *very* cold shoulders. It bothered me but the incredible show they put on blew all that away.

At that point that's when I decided that I wasn't going to try to get "a piece" of "celebrities" anymore. There have been situations since when I've been in close proximity to some luminaries who mean a lot to me, but I don't approach them. Just being in the presence can be enough.


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Posted by:

Bill

Al E: Thanks for taking so much time and trouble with your long and thoughtful post. You surely deserve some sort of a medal - as perhaps do those of us who fought our way through to the end! Anyway, thanks in particular for capturing so sensitively and succinctly the kernal of the recent GB dust-up.

On another topic, thanks to so many of you for the interesting and enlightening Dixie posts. I must confess that until the discussion caused me to read the lyrics I'd formed a completely erroneous scenario for the chopping-wood verse. I'd always heard a 'them' after 'mind', so I had the retreating Lee's soldiers taking the best of Virgil's store of firewood, though they paid him - if poorly - to chop it for them. Ridiculous when you think of it, but I didn't.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: In-store Appearances

There was indeed a line that wrapped around the block to see the 90's Band in-store performance at Tower Records at E. 4th & Broadway and I was in it. Two brothers next to me brought an original poster from The Band's first concert at the Fillmore in San Francisco with the intention of getting Levon, Rick, and Garth to sign and I assume they did but can't verify it since I'm not really and autograph hound and left right after the acoustic set which included to my surprise "Don't Ya Tell Henry" from the Basement Tapes as well as J.J. Cale's "Crazy Mama" (which everyone here seems to hate, except me - in fact, I wish the JWB would start doing it!). I didn't own a working camera at that time and didn't even own a computer - that was back around February of '96 and the next night The Band performed at Carnegie Hall which was a great show. They also did a Letterman appearance and played "Stand Up" from HOTH (the album everyone except me seems to hate). I recall Levon looking particularly sharp at the time wearing these silver- mirrored sunglasses.

Anyway, with regard to in-store autograph sessions usually it's the store that lays down the rules about what the recording artist or author will or won't sign so I wouldn't fault any artist for adhering to the rules. I've also seen people at these in-store sessions who are obviously professional autograph hunters and bring several items to be autographed just so they can sell them on e-bay or something. I have the flyer for the Tower Records appearance somewhere amongst a bunch of stuff I never have the time to organize - nothing fancy but maybe I'll get it scanned for inclusion on the site sometime.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Comments to Pat Brennan, Empty Now, Al Edge, Fred, Nancy, Mike Caricco,

Subject: Illinois (where Gen. Lee never visited after the war)

Pat Brennan: I e-mailed you. Please try me again.

Empty Now (vuoto adesso): I was interested that Tribble interprets the “take what you need and leave the rest but they should never have taken the very best” line as pillaging by the Union army. I go the other way.

I interpret the “...you take what you need and leave the rest, but they should never have taken the very best...” as Virgil’s 1) tolerating the Confederate army for commandeering civilian livestock, grain, supplies, etc. for the war effort (the “ need”) which happened regularly and which pockets of Southerners violently resisted and 2) condemnation of the Confederate elite (the “they”)–not the Northerners--for ripping away the life of his brother and perhaps for depriving the South of the lives of tens of thousands of other young Southerners who had become human fodder rather than the flowering (“the very best”) of the South’s future. “They should never have taken the very best” can only refer to the conscription of good men and the best men to fight for the Confederacy. To say that “...should never have taken the very best” somehow applies to the North is nonsensical. The Union Army was not on a talent hunt and it was not “taking” it was killing as many gray uniformed soldiers as it could not knowing whether they were good, better or best. The Confederacy, on the other hand, was indeed looking for “the best” to lead its troops and to fight to win the war. Virgil painfully revisits his loss, there’s no bringing his brother back. “Ok, you want your war, take what you need to feed the boys in the army, but taking the very best, my brother, is too high a price for me to pay. It should never have happened.” Virgil’s talking anti-war stuff here, the futility and ruination of the war, and a break with the “they”, the ruling elite that commanded the Confederacy and its army that took his brother for its cause which no longer is Virgil’s cause. This is why “I don’t mind chopping wood” is so damn significant. He’s back as member of the working class without any pretension of aspiring to an elite class. In some parts of the South this break with the Confederate elite occurred much earlier than 1865. Some Southerners never got on board in the first place. Others pegged the war for what it was: a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.

So, this is how The Band dealt with, as Al Edge aptly termed it, the core issue of the era: Virgil’s transformation from a proponent of the war to an opponent of the war. He transcended the “old” Virgil and we know many, many other Southerners did not. Virgil cuts across the grain of the Lost Cause folks, just like The Band itself cut across the grain by recording a rock&roll song a) about the Civil War, b) from a Southerner’s point of view and 3) did so during a period of unprecedented African American militancy. This is wholistic beauty of TNTDODD. There’s no moralizing here about slave holding–that would be too obvious for The Band. There’s something bigger and more powerful stated in nuggets of images, a huge transformation of a poor white who eventually comes to a realization that, in the end, the Southern elite actually drove “old” Dixie down. Of course, “old” Dixie, implies a “new” dixie and that’s what the singing and bell ringing it all about.

Final note to you Empty Now (where’d you get that name?): ponder, if you will, the old church hymn, “Amazing Grace”. Its powerful lyrics and majestic, uplifting music are legendary and unequaled as far as I’m concerned (ok, “Nessun Dorma” as sung by Luciano Pavarotti comes close, right Fred?). “Amazing Grace” is subject to many interpretations and the most common one is a sinner of some kind (“I once was lost” and “I was blind”) who saw the light and sinned no more (“but now am found” and “but now I see”). When I first learned that it had been written by a slave-trader turned abolitionist, I was blown away. It changed my view of the song. Man o man, I thought, of course, only a incredible transcendence like that could have created an incredible song like that. The same type of transformation in Virgil Caine makes TNTDODD all that more powerful. Otherwise, it’s just about defeat, death and bitterness which is ok, I guess, but I think The Band had a lot more in mind.

Al Edge:

Thanks for you kind words. A fence is a good place to sit. You can go in either direction whenever you want. Of course, I want to know who chopped the wood for the fence and who built the fence and I intend to pull you off my way. :-) You can’t leave the GB, you’re closer to agreeing with my argument than anyone else! Also, as a socialist, you need not idealize Virgil as a model working class non-slaveholder. Workers have done at lot of bad shit from time to time and if they were always right we’d being living in socialist paradise right now. What’s heroic about Virgil is his transformation and the point at which he ultimately arrives as I argued above. My pun at your expense: if the guitarist for U2 purchased the Israeli airline it would be called...................... Al Edge Airways. Seriously, hope you stick around.

Fred:

Loved the crack about Joe Walsh, and not Cole Younger, being the brains of the James gang.

Nancy:

Is that you, My Good Friend? You have the same writing style as My Good Friend Nancy. If so, you never told me about chopping wood. In fact the closest that MGFN ever came to chopping wood was sharpening a pencil to do the New York Times crossword puzzle (and she gave that up when they put it on the Web). In any event, I enjoyed your post. And ya, I’m enjoying this thread a lot. The people I’ve met, the knowlede I’ve gained are really something, including your bit on the pecking order of wood chopping on a farm. I agree with Mike Caricco that the “money no good” is the worthlessness of the Confederate Currency at the end of the war. It is not connected to the wood chopping for someone else. It just doesn’t make sense. Why would someone chop wood in exchange for worthless money? Nor is there any textual support that Virgil chopped wood for anybody other than himself. As you point out, the significance is the Virgil is doing work at the bottom of the pecking order. I would add that the fact "he don't mind" is of ultimate importance in demonstrating his profound transformation to the new Virgil.

Mike Caricco:

“work the land” could just as easily be a casual reference to the small business of farming on which the labor was provided by slaves. Same thing with your argument that the lack of explicit mention of slaves “speaks volumes”; the lack of explicit mention of Virgil getting behind a plow or fingers in the dirt could speak volumes about it not happening, especially since wood chopping is specifically mentioned. Furthermore, as Nancy points out, that work was reserved for those at the bottom of the pecking order and the fact that Virgil, the landowner, is now doing it is significant. The lack of specific reference to slavery is what the discussion is all about. Does the song deal with slavery and, if so, how? If not, why? Pat Brennan raised the possibility that slavery might have been “written out of the equation” all together. If RR’s liner note salvo directed at LH is true, i.e. that it was LH’s idea to remove any reference to Lincoln-as-symbol-of-anti-slavery because it might not “go over well in the South”, then we know The Band pandered to pro-slavery-racist-Lost Causers, avoided dealing with, as Al Edge said, the core issue of the era, and treated African Americans like no-shows in the pivotal piece of history (unless you accept the argument that the chorus is freed-slaves celebrating their freedom). I argue no, The Band took another route. The Band, individually and collectively gifted in the art of rock & roll, found a way to deal with the issue with lyrics which at worst are ambiguous and at best profoundly subtle. Afterall, this is THE BAND we’re talking about here. The five artists who cut across the grain musically, stylistically, culturally and commercially (using their own hand jig saws, of course). The question becomes what exactly is that point of view? Is Virgil ultimately bitter towards the North or the Southern elite? It boils down to whomever Virgil refers to as “they” when he agonizes that “ they should never have taken the very best.” See my comments to Empty Now.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Location: cvan3064@aol.com

Subject: The Al Edge Commentaries

No problem about the CD Al, I had wondered but I was sure it would be along soon enough.

I do however disagree on part of your interpatation of the recent unpleasantness. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one who thinks it was inevitable, and in the long run a very good thing. Over tha past 1 1/2 years posts had got more and more hostile, and I dont mean only by those who are by nature overtly hostile and rude but by everyone. Someone or something had to stand up and say, Enough Already, cut the crap or you can all go home. It had to happen, it needed to happen, and I for one am glad the more than a couple of people who oftimes posted rude and insensitive comments seem to have not come back.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pat/Lee

You are geographically correct. My point is that his trip had spread rumours of appearances by him well beyond where he could reasonably be expected show up, and given the primitive way information and misinformation was likely to flow at the time, it is not beyond reason to assume there would have been false sightings. I find this, artistically within the Band songbook, to be a satisfying interpretation of the 'there goes Robert E. Lee' line, as it harkens to the 'the flying dutchman is on the reef' line found in Rocking Chair on the same album. Poetically, Lee is turned into that Flying Dutchman; a ghostly image in the hearts of defeated Southerners, doomed to eternity to refight a lost war for perpetuity. Or do you prefer a steamboat?


Entered at Tue Jan 28 17:21:16 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: correction

Pat, et.al. ,,,,,,,,,,, The " 90's Band " DID an instore,,,,, @ TOWER records NY

they played for about 1/2 hour then signed ANYTHING ANYONE brought by,,,

it was an in-house for Jericho or High on the Hog, i forget which,,, but the line went all the way around the block,,,, just to get in,,,

& LIKE I SAID,,, the fellas,, Levon, Rick, Garth, Richard Bell, Rando & jim weider ALL signed ANY & EVERYTHING fans brought,,,,,

anyone here attend ????


Entered at Tue Jan 28 17:01:22 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

City Point, Va. March 21,1865
"...Stoneman started yesterday from Knoxville with a Cavalry force of probably 5000 men to penetrate S.W. Virginia as far towards Lynchburg as possible. Under his intructions he may strike from New river towards Danville. This however I do not expect him to do..."

--excerpt from letter to Maj. Gen. P.H. Sheridan from Lt. Gen. U.S. Grant
from "Memoirs And Selected Letters" by Ulysses S. Grant (The Library of America edition)


Entered at Tue Jan 28 16:51:12 CET 2003 from h-68-164-14-123.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.14.123)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I've heard of enough events where Robertson gladly signed autographs for free. At an in-store event like the one referenced, the protocol is to sign supported product. Had the 90's Band gone on an in-store tour for a major label, they would have been doing the same thing.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 16:37:23 CET 2003 from h-68-164-14-123.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.14.123)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

jTullfan, Lee took one of his daughters on his last tour of the South, and he made it as far south as Florida. It would have been impossible for someone from Tennessee to have made it over the mountains to the railroad running south through Charlotte as news of Lee's approach was literally only a couple of hours ahead of his train.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 16:24:32 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.85)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Zen Koan (from the Japanesse tradition)

Excuse me Peter, i pick your last expression, to tell the next Koan from the Japanesse Zen (no relation with the last posts)

An old wise man, in the presence of his disciplus, had a judgement to make between two confrounted persons
After listening to the claim of the first person, the old wise man told him “I'm sure you're right”
After listenning to the second one, who was defending the opposite view of the first one, the old wise man told him “I'm sure you're right”
Then the disciplus asked the old wise man “but Sensei, you cannot agree with two opposite views”.
And the old wise man answered to the disciplus, “I'm sure you're right”

In a more serious chapter:
Peter: with all the respect due to your efforts, i failed in a previous post to mention that your citation in Mr S.Tribble thesis is refered more exactly:
For more on the (the) controversy see Peter Viney.........That’s also a question of ethics


Entered at Tue Jan 28 15:45:37 CET 2003 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: RR / GB

I'm sure you're right Lee. Especially mentioning the Capitol "take over" idea which had slipped my mind. It wouldn't be that he's never seen it, but the general advice to artists is never to reply to criticism directly, because you never win. I can't see what RR would gain from confronting stuff - better to keep a distance.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 15:23:16 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.23)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Rock and Ry

Charlie Young, thanks for the link to the excellent piece on one of my favorite musicians. Ry Cooder is a fascinating subject.

One of the best decisions I ever made occurred back in the early nineties. I couldn't find anyone who shared my interest in a band called "Little Village" appearing at my favorite local venue, the Tower Theater. I had seen and heard John Hiatt many times, Jim Keltner and Nick Lowe as well. I had never had the good fortune of seeing Ry Cooder perform live. I went to the show alone and, frankly, it turned out to be one of the most enjoyable musical experiences I have ever had.

I realize it probably wasn't his "cup of tea" but....wouldn't it have been magical to hear what may have come if he would have slipped into that vacancy back in '76 ?


Entered at Tue Jan 28 14:51:53 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Lee

Surely Mr Robertson is big enough to snubb any remarks about his good self and wouldn't feel the need to defend himself. I am sure that either he or Jared Levine have had a look at this site - possibly when Jan received that nice e-mail from Capitol.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 14:43:27 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.85)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Al Edge

Al : Thanks for the wish. I wrote my last post before reading yours (wonderful post), and no need to repeat again that you are one of my favorites in the GB.
Coincidently, i found that there is a little possibility of interaction with the content of my last post. I would make the following precision:
By wishing that some of my own posts should be deleted, I think to a very personal concern that must be isolated in the context of that post. More exactely, I mean that every time i talked about “The Band”, i might verify the credibility of information and the accuracy of the analysis. This is a pure ethics rule

You are wrong when evoking some pleasure i got from the GB. The pleasure will be complete, when I will see posts from Amanda, BEG, BWNWITennessee, Roz,,......(this is not a preference order, but an alphabetic order)


Entered at Tue Jan 28 14:29:08 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: response to Peter, 'There goes Robert E. Lee'

Peter, perhaps I can shed further light on that line. After the war, Lee was in increasingly failing health. It is speculated that he suffered a heart attack just prior to the battle of Fredericksburg. It was recommended that he travel south from Lexington, VA (where he was president of the then titled Washington College, now Washington & Lee)for a change of air and perhaps some rest at a spa or similar. He took one or two of his daughters and planned to travel in private, incognito. Unfortunately, the word got out and his 'vacation' became a Beatlesque mob scene at every railroad station, etc. as he traveled further south, all the way into Georgia if not further, I believe. It became a grand 'goodbye' tour. Rumours of his impending appearance would literally stop a southern town as everyone would gather at the train station or ferry terminal to see if the Great One would arrive. Therefore, even though Lee never visited postwar Tennessee, it is quite plausible that the local folk could have been on a hair trigger waiting for him to show up, and any Will Gere-like looking old gentelman with white hair and beard could have triggered the 'look, there goes Robert E. Lee!' syndrome.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 14:22:40 CET 2003 from du-tele3-066.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.66)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The debate on that there "the"

The 'the' discussion has bored people rigid in the past. Scroll bar is to the right! Here's the Levon quote in full:

Levon Helm: Robbie and I worked on "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" up in Woodstock. I remember taking him to the library so he could research the history and geography of the era and make General Robert E. Lee come out with all due respect.

So that indicates to me that Levon has the General in his mind, not the boat, when he sings it. (And also note "I' took him to the library so "he" could research it.) Does anyone have that full morning TV version of Robbie doing TNTDODD from a couple of years ago? I think it cuts out before he gets to the line on Classic Albums, and I'm sure he'd do the line as he intended it to be.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 12:14:23 CET 2003 from du-tele3-168.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.168)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Al, the Robbie Lobby

Good to see Bashful Bill back. Wow, Al- I got so tied up in your post this morning that I had no time to read the daily tabloid, which is just as well as there’s never any good news. Lars and Sam have said it- the bars are off. Since they have been, it’s been pretty circumspect. And I hope that BEG, Amanda, & Tenn return. As to the requested explanation about Liverpudlian affection for the underdog / perennial loser, let’s say that this affection can become so strong that in extreme cases it can even lead to supporting Everton F.C. (most years that would have been funnier than it is this month).

The reason the GB might appear at times to have a rabidly Levonista tone (and it sometimes does) is that in general, while not being into the internet, the members of the 90s Band have been supportive / friendly to the website. At no time since it started has RR publicly acknowledged its existence. I think this is inevitable, because a glance over any particular week would show several snide (and boringly repetitive) remarks about Robbie – whether about Armani suits, BMWs, LA or an alleged failure to give free autographs (untrue in fact). If Robbie ever looked, I’m sure he’d think “well, I’ll keep away from that lot” because there’s no purpose when such a percentage have swallowed every single word of ‘This Wheel’s on Fire’ as the gospel truth. I’d point out that the Robbie Lobby as a whole, is very fond of Levon and interested in his doings. The Robbie Lobby simply believes that Robbie wrote the songs he’s credited with.

On the autographs one, we went through this. This was an official signing at a store. There’s an etiquette to this that should be obvious. The store puts on and publicizes the event and the idea is that you then buy a copy and get it signed. Robbie is in the position of fiction authors on back catalogue – the signature can vastly increase the value and a used record store owner with ten early copies of Big Pink could increase their value from (say) £5 each to £40 each by getting them all signed. Rare first edition books can double in value with a signature. So what could J.K. Rowling say to someone who wanted a first edition of the first Harry Potter signed? (Allowing that they go for £15,000 unsigned)? And a signature is worth more if dated within the time the book was originally on sale- authors have complained that people chase them at signings for “backdated signatures”! So usually the stores restrict it to 2 or 3 items, one of which is bought in store. I went to a Roddy Doyle signing , and assumed naturally that I’d have to buy a new copy of The Commitments to get it signed.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 11:34:28 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.193)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Mr Stribble - The impact factor of "The Band" site

Peter: The link is one page from a perso-web devlopped by Mr. Stribble. I found in his home page that the article on Robbie’s songs was written for a Master Thesis at Brown University, which I quote

“A graduate paper I completed while obtaining my Master's Degree in American Civilization at Brown University. It considers the dichotomy between the reactionary imaging of Robertson & The Band and the counter-hegemonic nature of his lyrics”

Thanks for pointing out the presence of some inaccuracies in the article, i also found a lot, which are beyond the purpose of this post. This remains true for any scientific litterature work.
After a first hysterical reaction, when i saw your name in the bibliography, i come back in a more meditative way.
More exactely your name is cited following a document from this website. The citations of a lot of documents from this site is a usual practice, they didn’t retain my attention furthermore. Now the link of Mr Stribble is a Graduate University Work, this reality set “The Band” website de facto in the Scientific Literature network. This is perhaps the purpose of any text written on the web, since the incoming of the Internet era. I posted before that the internet is a public place, i’m still believing it. But certain sites present one more serious image than others, and their usage is openned to the totality of present and future surfers, whatever are their concerns.
When I think to this aspect of the question, I hope that a substantial number of my own posts should be deleted

For those who are interested by the link above and the citation of Mr Viney, the latter is refered 31,

Peter Viney, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," The Band Web Site: Norway. 3 December 1998. http://theband.hiof.no/articles/dixie_viney.html".



Entered at Tue Jan 28 09:40:02 CET 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Bashful Bill

Hey Bill: I miss your old peace&love ex-hippie type posts and I'm sure I'm not alone there:) Can you email me please??

ikin94 at hotmail.com


Entered at Tue Jan 28 07:11:06 CET 2003 from syr-66-67-68-0.twcny.rr.com (66.67.68.0)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

You know, until my post a little while ago, I hadn;t been in here, literally, in a couple months. About once a week I check Whats New and often find some invaluable article or pics or news which Jan reliably and kindly keeps putting out there for Bandfans. And occasionally I read an article or two, which I have been occasionally doing since I discovered this site, the resources Jan provides seem to be endless. But, I at least temporarily threw in the towel on the guestbook ata particularly vicious time I think in Oct or maybe Nov. I go to places like this for a little peace and comradary(I'm almost certain that is spelled incorrectly). Conflict in life is unavoidable, but when it is too intense I walk away, basically I'm an old, peace&love ex-hippie type, and man, it gets absolutely poisonously vicious in here. So I thought since I'm posting about Garth, I;ll scroll back and see whats been going on recently. I only went back a couple daysand I shouldn't be suprised, but I am astonished at the emotion and high drama and conflict a group of intelligent people-most of whom will never lay eyes on each other- get into. And with no seeming regard or understanding that this is a GUESTBOOK, we are all guests, it is very simple. Has it been going on for two months straight? Disillusioning. I'm grateful that I have actually made friends with a few fine people who I met through this guestbook,and I'm grateful I will be seeing both Levon's band and Jim Weider's band on the same weekend next month.Unfortunately, I probably missed some good stuff in here, but the-senseless- conflict just turns me off, and it seems to overwhelm everything else. I think I will go back to just checkin Whats New once a week for awhile,and hope for the best for Jan's guestbook. See ya ina couple months or so.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 06:32:34 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Just One

At his NYC promotional gig for "Thae Last Waltz" Robbie required that anyone who wanted an autograph had to approach with a newly bought copy of "The Last Waltz". When Rick was playing somewhere he said " I've got copies for sale here (Live At Breeze Hill) but if you don't want to buy one that's okay, come up here and we can just talk"


Entered at Tue Jan 28 06:00:27 CET 2003 from syr-66-67-68-0.twcny.rr.com (66.67.68.0)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: God, er. I mean Garth

I read an article in my favorite music mag-Goldmine- at work a couple days ago. Garth recieves some rare recognition, and I wanted to share some nice quotes, but I seem to have left it at work. The article was about members of famous bands who were intregal to the band's sound, but were overshadowed by other members for various reasons. The writer notes what anyone around here knows, that the original five were a remarkably talented group of individuals.He uses a phrase to describe them in their early days very similair to the "band of brothers" term which has often been thrown around here. Damn, I wish I had it in front of me,so I could be more accurate,but he opined that even when things were going downhill due to personal problems within the group, Garth could be counted on to be innovative musically and hold things together. I think he even said without Garth there would have been no "The Band" as it turned out, or maybe I'm imagining that part? If anyone has it, it really should be here on Jan's site. I recall awhile back a couple young southerners had a very nice webpage dedicated to Garth, is that still around? I'm reminded of the flurry of attention that Garth recieved when his album was released a couple years back(these articles can be found right here, BTW, our good webmaster provides more than a guestbook, this place, like Garth, is a wonder). Writers would meet Garth and or Maud somehwere around Woodstock and end up going to their home and spend hours mesmerised by their love and hospitality and of course by Garth's genius and talent.I felt envious reading their stories of Garth playing them music and expounding on his instruments and interests. One guy ended up leaving at dawn, and stood on Garth's porch looking at the mountains and wildlife dazed at whwt he had just experienced.One of those guys should go back and write a biography of that genious and gentle man.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 05:42:28 CET 2003 from dialup-63.208.245.150.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.208.245.150)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: SC

Subject: Last Watlz view

There's a short and well-trimmed take on LH at this site under aftershave at: shaveandahaircut.biz


Entered at Tue Jan 28 05:34:52 CET 2003 from 1cust34.tnt2.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.201.37.34)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Al's Post, More Civil Woah And Moah

Al Edge: if you aren't earning your living as a writer, you should be. You could write books or a newspaper column called "Al Edge-edly."

Pat: I can't recall who fed me that line about slave ownership, but it was probably a bookseller I know who had read it somewhere. It was a statistic about "indentured servants" in the North such as the African-American manservant of Philadelphia artist Charles Wilson Peale who may have actually created some pieces of art for which Peale received credit (not to mention cash).

On Virgil's age: my great-grandfather was just 19 when he was captured by Union troops and taken to the horrible prison camp called Ft. Delaware in the winter of 1865.

On the bit about charging a fee for autographs, sports figures do this regularly (and this may be part of the reason that a large percentage of signed sports memorabilia features faked autographs). Robbie is the only member of The Band whose autograph I lack, so I hope he will put out a book one of these days and do some signings on my home turf. Remember, Robbie, "...and life is brief.."


Entered at Tue Jan 28 05:31:33 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Al = loved your latest book - but you're right - I think you hung onto it too long. I hope we don't have a ground swell of crap dregged up now.

It's pretty well acknowledged that Tenn went over the line. I think he even, sort of, in his own way, acknowledged it himself. I had some GB boughts with him in the early days, but I guess I learned to ignore him when he was in "that mood" to just cut. I hated when he would get nuts because as bad as he was he would be that good when he kept himself in check. But you know, we are not face-to-face with each other. If so, Tenn would have had his clock cleaned several times by some folks in here. That's why I think Jan's initial banning was no surprise. I also think Jan's lifting of all the bans was good. Now if we fuck it up it's our own doing - and a damn shame too.

We always bounce back. There have been some real bad-asses in here that have gone away. They haven't gone quietly sometimes, but they go. If they don't get huge venomous reactions from their assinine jabs - they go away eventually. Al - Tenn came to a "last straw" situation I think. He can post if he wants, but he'd have some damage control to do. That's if he even wants to return.

For those of you who keep telling Roz to come back - she will. Hopefully as Roz :-)

Y'know - I can't help wondering how ANYONE can have such distaste for Robbie or Levon to the point they do, and be a real Band fan. Maybe it's me, but I can't figure that one out. We can discuss the feud, and throw around thoughts, but ultimately we don';t know what the hell we're talking about, and it's not our fight. As fans we can hope for a day when Levon and Robbie shake hands and jam - but that ain't happening anytime soon, so let's move on.

Lastly - I just hope everyone will stay cool. I noticed that someone already reacted to Al's post by calling Tenn names - without revealing themselves. That's not doing anyone anygood. I think Butch has the most reason to dislike Tenn and even he seemed to take the high road at some point (I hope it dosen't turn out to be Butch who did that recent post). We know what we need to do to keep enjoying this site. It's not difficult. It won't always been perfect in here (kinda like life), but we're in control of it. Thanks Jan.

wipeout1960 at yahoo dot com


Entered at Tue Jan 28 04:59:20 CET 2003 from dialup-63.215.119.254.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.119.254)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Ed Voci

Your email is bouncing back attampts to communicate.

shepat(at)mindspring.com


Entered at Tue Jan 28 04:56:47 CET 2003 from dialup-63.215.119.254.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.119.254)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Al, two nice characterizations. But I'm curious: has Robertson ever been in a position to charge people for autographs? Or did you make this up?


Entered at Tue Jan 28 04:49:37 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

AL

BWNWIT is as ass. He is an unqualified jerk and is especially mean spirited (besides he works at Burger King.) How could anyone tear into Rick Danko with such a vengeance? Danko would have given the guy a hug! Levon would have signed his autograph. Robbie would have charged him for an autograph (unless he was promoting The Last Waltz...but then BWNWIT would have to buy a copy first)! An ass is an ass.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 04:29:41 CET 2003 from dialup-63.215.119.254.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.119.254)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Al, I'm seconding Lars here. BWNWIT, as with everyone in the world, can post here all they want. Jan has decreed, in his wisdom, that all blocks are off. Post if you want. Don't if you don't. Just remember, life is short.

Charles Young, slavery existed, at the time of the Woah, almost exclusively in the South. Only New Jersey had any apprciable slave population, and that was concentrated in a few northern counties. Even in those counties is was less than 10% of the population. Missouri ws probably 15% slave. Compare that to large areas of South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and Virginia which counted over 50% of their population slave.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 04:11:04 CET 2003 from dialin-575-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.67)

Posted by:

Gene

"There are only two kinds of music, good music and bad music." - Duke Ellington


Entered at Tue Jan 28 02:51:18 CET 2003 from (209.130.140.234)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Al Edge

AL: Maybe I'm missing something, but I think Jan lifted the ban on everybody in the world. This is the Last Frontier and you're free to say what you want. Hold on to your drink, don't put all your money on the bar, and make sure you know where the men's room is (it will shift on you as the drinks keep coming). Strangely enough, when Jan called off the restrictions, people sobered up. There may be fist-fights going on outside on the sidewalk, but our little bar has sobered up. I think most people (myself included) are just grateful to have a place to go to get out of the winter's chill. To swap stories, discuss mutual interests (not always about music), and just interact. There's nothing wrong with shrugging off a bad experience and getting on with living.

I enjoy your posts, Al. You don't have to go. You can if you want. But the bottom line is that quiet, harried bartender is Jan, it's his place. If he calls "last call" that's his right.


Entered at Tue Jan 28 01:58:50 CET 2003 from cache-ink1-kno-hsi.cableinet.co.uk (62.30.0.3)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Last Post or what?

My post last night was a personal acknowledgement of a marvellous thread on Dixie which I, along with some others, felt was so deserving of our kind regard. Fact is however, I've been wrestling with the dilemma of whether or not to post for a week or so now since digesting what had gone on here with the BWNWIT/Amanda/Jan episode. You could say I've been storing this one up but that wouldn't be right. More like I've been trying to get it all straight in my head.

Like everyone else I found the entire thing dispiriting. Obviously. But I also found it a mite more than that. Disturbing, I suppose I'd have to say. Without really being able to put my finger on exactly why. I just knew I felt pretty bad about it all. Each time I'd go to post, it was as if something would hold me back, telling me it simply wasn't right for me to do so - especially with any lighthearted stuff - whilst I hadn't fully resolved in my own mind what had transpired. Nor was it helped by the apparent geniality and cosiness of many of the more recent posts and posters. In fact the more chipper and progressive those posts and posters have become the more that little warning voice in my head has told me something wasn't quite right.

Now I daresay some might say that by clinging to those events and failing to shrug them off in the way many have appeared to do that I'm taking things a bit too earnestly. And maybe they'd be right in expressing such a view. Sometimes the way forward IS simply to let things go and move on. Regrettably, however, that is not the way this thing has grabbed me and it's why I'm writing this.

So do please forgive me if what I'm about to say does come across as a tad too solemn and sanctimonious but that is just how I feel about it all. As any regular will be aware, I am one who usually tries - as much as anybody on here - to avoid such a tack by injecting as much frivolity into my posts as I can muster. Often, too much of it, I have to say. This time, however, I feel there's far too unpleasant a taste still lingering beneath the surface for me to contemplate any of the frivolous stuff. What I'm about to say IS earnest. Quite simply it is a reflection of my perspective on what's happened and I'm afraid it doesn't make for very easy or digestible reading for any genuine GB'er, though I must reassure ALL of you there is no personal offence intended to anybody. It is simply as I see it.

I must begin by stating that my only real affinity with the person currently cast as villain of the piece, BWNWIT - other than the obvious Band connection mutual to everyone on the GB - is perhaps our shared compulsion to piss about a bit too much and look for the funnies and ironies in life wherever possible. 'Buffoons' I think Serge has termed each of us on different occasions. Despite this shared dubious distinction I don't think BWNWIT - unlike say Pete Viney or Bob Wigo - has ever once actually acknowledged any of my own humorous efforts [not, of course, that there's anything remotely unique in that :-o) ] and he has certainly never passed any favourable comments on any of my serious pieces [again nothing unique there either :-o)]. So he's by no means my bosom cyber buddy and, I'd venture, rarely, if ever, a true kindred spirit of mine. I find him a just okay if rather too overtly polemical sort of guy who has insulted me in humorous fashion every now and again - and me him too - but certainly has never hurt my feelings - or mine his.

By way of a fair degree of contrast Amanda has often posted pleasant responses to my stuff for which I've always been appreciative. Most recently, she was one of the few to pass nice compliments on those lengthy Big Pink pieces I had so painstakingly composed. Again I wouldn't by any stretch term us bosom cyber buddies but there is a cerebral cyber connection however tenuous. Ours is a more gentile, respectful sort of cyber relationship.

I say all this, incidentally, not to bore all of you totally rigid but so as to demonstrate my complete ambivalence in regard to any prevailing ill-will that may have existed between BWNWIT and Amanda and what subsequently passed off between them in this recent incident.

Now from what I've read of the BWNWIT comment that triggered all the commotion - in which he referred to a post from way back where Amanda admitted to being so wrapped up in the GB that she had 'neglected' her kids - I'd say without any question he was wrong to have made it. It was, at once, uncalled for, below the belt and hurtful. In fact, the comment said more about BWNWIT's loose tongue/big gob than it ever did about Amanda. For let's face it - show me a person who can honestly say they have never 'neglected' their loved ones while they've been engrossed in these sort of forums and I'll show you a liar or a poor deluded fool. Forinstance, anybody reading this diatribe is demonstrably already well founded in such a category - and pity help the guy who's written it. :-o) Anyone else has either simply not had Amanda's bad luck or else their kids are of a more responsible age group. Nor for that matter I'd guess have the majority of us been as honest and open as Amanda in letting our cyber buddies know of our self-indulgent 'aberrations'.

That said, the other side of the coin tells me that what BWNWIT wrote was, in itself, no more than an impromptu outpouring of retaliation onto his keyboard. He can clearly at times be a somewhat hotheaded and ungracious character with a quite cutting humour - in fact not unlike many of us on these sort of forums - and was clearly wound up by a previous dig from Amanda - albeit far less offensive - that had been aimed at him. Yes, he reacted badly. Yes, it was wrong. Yes, it was nasty. No, it was by no means his first such aberration. But hey, come on. Has nobody else on here never done or said or typed anything nasty that they now regret? Particularly in response to a pointed jibe, however trivial or childish that jibe may have been. Not many, I'd wager, could deny responsibility for resorting to retaliatory vitriol at least now and again when triggered.

And a few more rather significant things in respect of this fateful post both of which have been quite grievously misrepresented and overlooked - probably in genuine error - in the subsequent GB wash.

First BWNWIT was not the instigator of the ruckus. In that aspect at least he is entirely blameless. Ironically, the instigation was down to Amanda's misinterpretation of an innocuous 'play on words' post from BILL that Amanda - bless her - had felt was an attack on her hero, Levon. BWNWIT merely responded in what he felt - though clearly nobody else shared his interpretation - was 'in kind' and 'fair game' to Amanda's initial dig at him and Bill.

Second BWNWIT's post was directed purely at Amanda. In no way was there any slur - intended or otherwise - on Amanda's child. The child was mentioned because it had been the child that Amanda had temporarily forgotten about whilst she'd been absorbed in the GB. It was that so-called 'neglect' - for want of a more appropriate word - that lay at the butt of BWNWIT's jibe at Amanda. Not the child itself. The subsequent spate of postings accusing BWNWIT of targetting Amanda's child were misdirected. Yes, the jibe was in extremely poor taste and should never have seen the light of day - but, no way was it ever aimed at Amanda's child.

Right, so I'll now get to my main point.

I'm no genius. But I'm certainly not a fool either - no matter that I sometimes act it on here and elsewhere. Having thought long and hard about how events transpired in this little furore, there is now little doubt in my mind that the reason BWNWIT was barred from this GB ultimately had very little to do with his nasty comment to Amanda and everything to do with his continual attempts at character assassination of Levon Helm and accompanying moral whitewashing of Robbie Robertson. I'm not saying his comment to Amanda was not worthy of ours' or Jan H's condemnation. It clearly was. It's simply that it was not sufficient justification for his being banished. Nor, I strongly suspect, was it the reason for that banishment.

For quite some time BWNWIT had been taking the very high moral ground over the LH/RR feud. We've all read the sort of stuff he had to say. His stance was as clear as day. To put it mildly, he had little if any respect for Levon Helm and his supporters. He was by no means the only one who had expressed such a view but, in recent times, he had certainly been the most vociferous, the most tenacious and, at times it must be said, the most vindictive. Levon's oft-quoted bitching at RR was something that patently galled BWNWIT quite badly and he clearly felt compelled to reciprocate by supporting RR and bitching back at Levon and his supporters at every opportunity.

Levon, Butch, Lil, Harry & Mim, Amanda and others had all fallen victim from time to time to this 'vendetta' - as the Levonistas might term it. At times it hadn't been exactly what you'd term 'nice'. Indeed, there are, no doubt, many on here who would say such unpleasantness was completely uncalled for. That lobby would, incidentally, include myself - being purely and simply a Band fan, neither Levonista nor Robertsonian [Dankonian, Hudsonian or Manuelonian if anything at all I suppose and what's more a Band fan who is saddened at seeing any such attempts to degrade Levon, Robbie or, indeed, any of those dear souls who once comprised our band of heroes]. It doesn't mean that a lot of the flack aimed in both our heroes' directions had no substance. At least some of it clearly did, whether it be in respect of Levon's sniping at Robbie or BWNWIT's sniping at Levon. It's just that I never enjoyed reading about it. It was simply dirty laundry. And we all of us - even the most innocent of us - have some dirty laundry. People in glasshouses...and all that - or should that be washhouses? [I'm allowing myself one pathetic joke :-o)]

The point is, however, that this place we all frequent is a Band forum. Let's set aside for the moment that its original purpose was simply as a Guest Book. For many years its function has been to accommodate all manner of debates about The Band and anything remotely related thereto. THAT is its raison d'etre. BWNWIT is manifestly a huge Band fan - an articulate and impassioned one at that - and so surely as long as he supports a reasoned argument - which he invariably has done as far as I have ever been able to determine - he should be able to put it across on these Band forum pages, no matter how disagreeable or unpalatable some with opposing views may happen to find it. What, otherwise, is the point in having a forum?

As it turns out, on this occasion BWNWIT wasn't allowed to. He was deemed to have crossed the line. What could be construed as a convenient major flare up between himself and Amanda has seen him barred. As I've said, the implication is that the barring is on account of his insulting Amanda. However, it is difficult not to draw the conclusion that it is more as a direct consequence of all his slurs against Levon and the Levonistas in connection with their own hostile attitude to Robbie.

Fact is that the most vociferous and most distinctly anti-Levonista voice has now been dis-enfranchised at a stroke.

Put upon all this whatever slant you wish but, in the final analysis, I am finding it hard not to arrive at the opinion that what we are witnessing on this 'open' forum of debate is the censorship of a voice because it happens to be at extreme odds with an influential element of that forum - the pro-Levon faction of the GB; that the thin veil of anti-social behaviour has been in this instance little more than a handy vehicle by which to dispose of what some on here have perceived to be a lingering, festering sore.

Now, as I've previously pointed out, BWNWIT is by no means always my cup of tea. True at times he can be a marvellously entertaining poster. However, I abhor what he said to Amanda. I've not liked how he's goaded the life out of the Levonistas nor, for that matter, have I particularly welcomed all those digs he has levelled at myself and my fellow Brits. Sure we went along with them at the time - what else do you do? Complain? Indeed it was his prompting that once led Jan H - mistakenly as he was later to admit - to threaten me with being banned from here for my joking about being gay. Some joke huh?

Despite all the misgivings, I nevertheless refuse to sit back and let BWNWIT be banished from a forum to which he is so clearly emotionally attached without speaking up for his moral right to remain a part thereof or at least be given a warning and the chance to redeem himself. My Liverpudlianness - Roger Woods or Pete Viney will explain the ramifications of that if needs be - precludes me from adopting any other stance than one of solidarity with a fellow forumite whom I consider to have been unjustly treated no matter how self-inflicted some of the reasons for that treatment might be. A forum should be big enough to accommodate all voices - including an occasionally objectionable wifeless big mouth from Tennessee.

I find what has manifested itself on this board in connection with this regrettable episode to be very sad. I fully realise that this magnificent website is very much Jan H's domain and he is at liberty to do what he wants with it. However, acceptance of such a reality should not obscure the conundrum of why now? Why this particular guy?

Snide insults and 'flaming' have been part and parcel of 'forums' of this type since they began. We've all had to endure it from time to time. I'll no doubt get it in bucketloads for what I'm saying now. It is an inherent and inevitable element of the nature of the beast and it has been a prominent feature of this particular forum ever since I arrived on its pages. BWNWIT has been here for more than three years. I doubt very much whether this controversial 'side' of him has only just surfaced during the time I've been visiting the GB.

Sure Jan H can act on such matters in the manner he sees fit. And more power to his Scandinavian elbow should he elect to exercise his power. It is his prerogative to do whatever he wishes. As, indeed, he almost did with me when he misinterpreted the aforementioned joke 'gay' posts I had put up. However, simply because Jan H happens to be the creator of such a magnificent website and is rightly esteemed because of that, does not mean that, when he decides upon a particular course of action, such an action is necessaily justified having regard to its true circumstances. Nor does it mean that those of us who have invested much of their leisure time browsing his pages and composing and posting their contributions have no choice but to agree with his decision if they consider it wrong.

One gets the distinct impression that there are but three possible underlying reasons behind BWNWIT's banishment.

First that Jan H himself has been an innocent victim of incessant and ultimately unbearable pro-Levonista pressure for him to cut out what they perceived as that festering Tennessee based sore of anti-Levonista resentment. Second that Jan H, himself, has had his own pro-Levon emotional bonds and tolerance levels tested once too often by BWNWIT's persistent Levon baiting. Third that his employers have pressurised him to take some definitive action to bring to order those that might be considered by an authoritarian regime as Jan H's misbehaving 'children'.

Whichever of the three it happens to be - or indeed whether it's a combination of all three - the insult of Amanda incident seems to have been interpreted ostensibly as representing the catalyst for the dismissal when it surely wasn't.

Not that I blame Jan H - nor the Levonistas for that matter - if as I suspect it is the case that they have finally snapped under BWNWIT's incessant barrage. It is the instinct of anyone under attack to defend themselves or strike back. BWNWIT must have expected some sort of retribution at some stage. What sticks in the craw is what comes across to me as the employment of this furore as the vehicle for a final solution in dealing with BWNWIT's snipes.

Now I fully realise that life has to go on whatever transpires and that in the final analysis the GB must simply shrug its collective shoulders and get on with enthusing about all things musical or anything else it cares to wax lyrical about - whether that be The Band, pizzas, flapjacks or mom's homemade apple pie. This, after all, at its very heart is merely an intermittent source of leisure to most. A local cyber pub with a distinctly North American flavour and a sprinkling of the rest of the world on top. However dear and precious it has become to many GB'ers - myself included - it is not and never will constitute a matter of life and death. We all have - or should have where possible - bigger and more substantial fish to fry, so that even the most significant maelstrom on here should never constitute anything other than a bleep in each of our lives.

Personally, however, I feel there are certain raw principles at issue here which I am unable to dismiss lightly enough to continue pursuing my own enjoyment on the GB. As I said earlier I mean no offence in this. Most on here - perhaps all - clearly don't view things the same as me nor with the same degree of gravity. Indeed, as I've already mentioned the levity of the postings since Jan H's 'all clear' pronouncement is quite tangible as you read down. So be it. Maybe I do take it all far too seriously. Simply to put it all to one side may well be the more realistic and sensible way to deal with these sort of things rather than writing 5,000 words in an effort to rationalise what, after all, amounts to little more than petty recriminations over ideologies of limited consequence.

Whatever. Please forgive me if I can't follow what seems to be the prevailing trend. As it is, for my own part, as much as it really does pain me to do so, I find myself compelled to take a resolute stance on the issue. Until BWNWIT has his access to the GB restored then I will share his isolation from it. It is certainly not something I want - as will be evident from the enjoyment I clearly derive from posting on the GB and the time and trouble I've taken to write all this. Nevertheless, it is the way I feel about it. I've never washed my hands of any issue with which I'm personally implicated and with which I feel a degree of solidarity however marginal. I'm not about to start now.

BTW - Rollie - No, you can't join me. You've left enough times already and one more would surely be too much for anybody to bear :-o)

BTW Calvin - my cd burner is knackered - I will get that disc to you as soon as I'm sorted mate

BTW Amanda - I am compelled to say I can see no reason why you yourself cannot return to the GB. This was an unfortunate episode. It has clearly caused you much distress from which I hope you have emerged wiser and calmer than before it all kicked off. BWNWIT was way out of line yet whilst diametrically opposed to Levonistas like yourself clearly meant no malice to your child. He was taking a potshot at you because he felt you had taken one at him [and Bill]. It was a ridiculous clash that has caused far more grief than it - or anyone - merited. There is, however, little to be served in you staying away from the site. Everyone realises these things get emotional but you are a valued GBer with many years attachment and you really should think hard about returning and making up with those such as Pete V who I'm positive appreciate you and I'm sure will be delighted to welcome you back with open arms. :-o)

BTW Roz - totally unrelated but same for you girl. The GB clearly does miss your unique style :-o)

BTW Empty Now - the pleasure this GB seems to provide you with is really something. Hope things turn out for you.

BTW Crabby - please note - some 5,000 words and not one cuss - will that do ya? :-o)

BTW Everyone else - especially Pete V and Roger - bye and thanks. Hope we hook up again :-o)


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:40:57 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I've avoided the whole endless "Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" thread, but I'll cast my vote though we have no doubt been down this road before: The the was always there, always will be. Of course it's possible Mrs. Kane was pointing out that this was the man himself, rather than the Robert Ellswood Lees or the Robert Esterbrook Lees that were causing a lot of confusion at the time..(this is THE Robert E. Lee) And it's not particairly gentlemanly of Robertson or Helm not to cop to it in Baez's defence. As we know from the endless misatributing of "A Change Is Gonna Come"; Marcus does not like being corrected.

Speaking of Marcus being wrong; for all the hagling over the rather obvious point that Rick ALSO sings lead on ALL of "Holey Smoke"; not much has been said about the odd vocals on "Knockin Lost John." In the original review of "Islands" Marcus credited Richard Manuel singing lead, though there really is no lead vocal. I say, Richard doesn't sing on it at all: and it's a shared three part lead of Danko, Robertson, and Helm(who comes in louder on the chorus).


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:37:22 CET 2003 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Choppin' wood

Sheesh, and I always figgerd he was choppin' wood on acount a he couldn't buy coal no more...what with his money bein' no good and all...mebbe I am a know-nuthin' after all.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:34:22 CET 2003 from (209.236.161.52)

Posted by:

Mikey Lenahan

Location: Clinton NJ

Subject: Need live Barnburners cd

That's right BONES...we would all love to see a live cd out soon. Maybe Mr Helm and the Barnburners with the Jim Weider Band LIVE IN BEARSVILLE 12/31/02??????? I could only hope! On feb. 7 Levon will be at Radio City Music Hall in the great city of NEW YORK. This show will be put out on cd and dvd. I was lucky to have seen Levon with The Band in 1996 and with the Barnburners and he still kicks ass. I only wish I could play drums like Levon Helm.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:12:38 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Peter V: Levon and the Barnburners have been to North Carolina a couple of times. Bob Margolin, who lives in NC, usually shows up to play with them. The ads for these shows always mentions that Levon was with The Band and is a Hall Of Famer, and there is an occasional shout for an old Band song, but I have never seen anyone who paid for a ticket complain that Levon wasn't singing Band songs. That is a true credit to the show that Levon and his boys put on. I see your point though. It is tricky from a marketing point of view.

Butch: Has the talk of an official Barnburners release subsided? So many people leave those great shows wanting to take that music home with them. There is absolutely an audience for it.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:09:28 CET 2003 from du-tele3-046.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.46)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: And also …

Thank you Wittgenstein for locating the literary reference to William Burroughs' Dr Benway. I believe The Naked Lunch was rather a rude book and it's over 30 years since I read it. It never seemed worth revisiting, though I like the line you quoted. I seem to recall that it spawned the name Steely Dan (or was that a different contemporary rude book?) Anyway, that gives it a vague Band link.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 23:03:35 CET 2003 from du-tele3-046.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.46)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The the

Robert E. Lee- As Pat has said in the past, Lee didn’t actually visit post-war Tennessee, but I doubt that their research in the Woodstok library extended that far. But here’s an extra piece of evidence for the General. Levon has a distinctive accent and idiolect. I really need IPA (International phonetic Alphabet) to explain this, but I’ll write it out as “normal” English. Most people say “uh(a) pen, uh (a) tree, and thuh (the) pen, thee (the) apple. Levon says“ay pen, ay tree” and “thee tree” and “thee apple”. The first version is clear to me as “There goes Robert E. Lee’ but later live versions are less clear, almost as if he says, ‘There goes –uh-Robert E, Lee”. Everyone from Marcus on took the piss out of Joan Baez for adding “the” clearly and making the General into the steamboat. But Levon wouldn’t sing “thuh” Robert E. Lee (which is easily missed), but “thee” Robert E. Lee, which you couldn’t miss when listening. If you compare Band live versions with studio versions of several songs, both Rick and Levon tended to add syllables or at least ‘breaths’ to live versions to help the line along. I think there’s sometimes a live intake of breath, but on the Brown album, it isn’t there. Compare: The only word-perfect version of The Weight since Big Pink is probably Robbie at the Sevilla Guitar Legends concert. Rick was known to take great liberties with the lyric.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 22:50:35 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.20)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: TNTDODD

Peter, I wouldn't even pretend to have examined the lyrics of this song as completely as you have but....would it have been more likely for Virgil to have seen the riverboat "Robt. E. Lee" or the general himself? I must admit I've heard "the" in more than one of Levon's interpretations. Just throwing in my two cents realizing that is all it's worth in this discussion.

Peace


Entered at Mon Jan 27 22:20:13 CET 2003 from du-tele3-017.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.17)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Not THE Robert E. Lee

Empty Now- thanks for the link to Scott Tribble’s excellent and informative article. However, I’d say that it’s definitely Robert E. Lee not THE Robert E. Lee because Levon talks about making sure due deference was paid to Robert E. Lee and he didn't mean the steamboat. And of course “We Can Talk” is by Richard Manuel, not Robbie Robertson.

Lars- I see Virgil as 19 to 21 too.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 22:13:47 CET 2003 from (64.208.185.171)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Old Virgil

Just a thought, but did it ever occur to anybody that Virgil Cane was a farming, wood-cutting TEENAGER? True, he has a wife, but teenagers can have wives. He's a farmer "Like my father before me" and "Like my brother BEFORE (perhaps meaning older) me, I took a rebel's stand. He was just 18, proud and brave...." Even if his brother was killed in 1861, that would make the younger brother, in 1865, no more than 21, perhaps younger.

While we're on the subject of wars, I was kind of surprised to see Butch's post about some bad feelings between Prof. Louie and Randy/ Jim. That's too bad, they're all good people. But I am always amazed when I hear that so-and-so won't let a former band (small "b") member play bass in his band, not even for a night. Or so-and-so will only play a gig if their friend opens for them, they refuse to have a former bandmate open for them. Probably "so-and-so" will read this and think I'm a bastard for bringing it up, but I haven't named any names. I still love you, I just don't know why you have to be that way. Probably only Butch (besides the principles) knows what really went down, but Butch doesn't give out anything unless he wants to. And in this particular little "fued" (I hate using that word) I guess he decided he would give the gb a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes in the "family" of the Band. It's too bad: so much beautiful music coming from so many pissed off people.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:57:11 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Wittgenstein: somebody posted some detailed info on Raven here at the GB not long ago. The Reader's Digest version is that they were a Buffalo group that had evolved from the Ravens (with Szelest, Paine and Konikoff). I'd say that the sentence you cited was cleverly crafted by professionals to give the impression, without actually fibbing, that they'd played with the Band when they really hadn't. Mallaber replaced Konikoff when Sandy joined Hawkins (to replace the drummer from Robbie Lane and the Disciples, who'd left Hawkins en masse). He later jumped ship from Raven to join Van Morrison (for Moondance and following LPs). He was working in Toronto on some sessions for folkies Brent Titcomb and Bob Carpenter when the entire studio group was hired by Tom Rush for his "Merrimac County" LP and related touring. I think their names or on the credits, but can certainly be heard on "Kids These Days", when Rush introduces them one by one.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:48:11 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.20)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Jon Lyness

Thank you Jon. I didn't realize I could download it from the site. I appreciate your reply.

Peace


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:44:34 CET 2003 from 209-166-233-21.cust.walrus.com (209.166.233.21)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: for Bob Wigo

Hey Bob W, it's your lucky day! The entire show you're asking about is available from this very site...check Jan's Levon page under Audio Files, where it's listed under "Bearsville Theater". It's a great one. Hi all!


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:31:05 CET 2003 from on-tor-blr-a58-01-754.look.ca (216.154.2.246)

Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: waiting on The Edge

Peter Viney: Easy on ol' Pete Seeger there.... by the way, your 'friend' Dr. Benway is the name of a William Burrough's creation in Naked Lunch. A very sinister man was Benway

Dr. Benway is operating in an auditorium filled with students:"Now, boys, you won't see this operation performed very often and there's a reason for that....You see it has absolutely no medical value."

Personally, I like when posters assume literary names. I myself have gone into the chatroom as Pvt. Yossarian. I was quite pleased when someone asked me what kind of name was 'Yossarian' since I could then reply "It's Yossarian's name", but maybe you've had to have read the book, Catch - 22 of course. Crabgrass: I guess if one gets angry with you he should tell you to go to heaven.

Charlie from Va.: That was exciting news about the Scoppa book on The Byrds. I ran up to my bookshelves and found a copy that I bought for a couple of francs in a bookshop on The Boul Ste Germaine of all places back in '76. Unfortunately, I'm too old to be running up the stairs now. I also have a book on The Byrds from 1971 by a British writer named Andrew Weiner. Anyone over there heard of him? Could that one be worth $250 too? Have The Byrds suddenly made me rich?

While fumbling through these books I found a program from The Fillmore East from June 27, 1969. Seems that I caught The Byrds and Procul Harum, two of my favorites. The opening act was a band called Raven. The program says that two of the members of Raven "played for a time with some members of The Band before they became associated with Dylan, appearing before audiences in the Buffalo - Toronto area as 'Levon and the Hawks'." Tom Calandra (bass) and Gary Malabar (drums) are the musicians. Why would The Hawks have needed a bass player and a drummer? Bill Munson,have you heard of these guys?


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:27:36 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Thanks Carrico, this is perhaps influenced by the Joan Baez version "the blood under my feet"
btw, there is an other little difference in lyrics interpreted by Joan Baez :
"so much cavalry" instead of "Stoneman cavalry"


Entered at Mon Jan 27 21:00:22 CET 2003 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Subject: will the real Virgil Caine please stand up?

It is a testament to the quality of the writing that the lyrics of TNTDODD will sustain so many varied interpretations. I have always seen Virgil Caine as a small farmer, typical of the majority of the southern fighting force. A key phrase is "like my father before me, I will work the land". By this I think he means fingers-in-the-dirt stuff; not in some larger sense where his land is worked by others for his benefit. He is behind that plow himself, just as his father was. For that same reason he doesn't mind chopping the wood. As for the money being "no good", I believe he is talking about Confederate currency, rendered worthless by the handshake in Wilbur McLean's parlor. He may have owned slaves, but I tend to doubt it; the absense of the subject matter from the song speaks volumes.

Empty Now, thanks for providing the Italian translation. I note the use of the word "sangue" in the third verse, which would appear to place the Italians squarely on the side of "blood" in the mud/blood debate.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 20:50:45 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Addendum - i forgot the document title

"Image & the Convolution of Message in Critical Receptions of Robbie Robertson's Songs"


Entered at Mon Jan 27 20:13:05 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Virgil Caine

Here is a serious web-document in the link, where you can find some elements of information on how can slave-owners fit into TNTDODD lyrics.

By Scott L. Tribble,
Deptartment of American Civilization, Brown University

Good News: Mr Viney is cited in the bibliographic reference (i'm glad)

foot-note: i believe that there are much more impotant discussion topics related to the exegesis of TNTDODD.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 20:05:32 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.20)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Tape Archive

The following is listed in the Tape Archive. Does anyone here have a copy of this show? I would be willing to trade.

Date: 7/3/99 Performer: Levon & The Barn Burners
Location: Bearsville Theatre, Bearsville
Source/Quality/Length: Internet/EX/110
Note: Levon Helm on drums with the Barn Burners, guitarist Pat O'Shea, lead vocalist and harmonica player Chris O'Leary and upright bassist Frankie Ingrao with Amy Helm on vocals and guests Garth Hudson , Mindy Jostyn, Phoebe Snow, Walter Becker, Donald Fagen and Jimmy Vivino. Several of the songs are originals written by Barn Burners singer Chris O'Leary.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 18:22:18 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Mark A: Robbie Lane of the Disciples (who replaced our guys with Hawkins) is probably the nicest music-business person I've ever met - and I say this not only because he gave me (Gave me!) his own copy of the Canadian Squires record way back in '76 or '77. I don't catch him often enough, but he and the Disciples still play every Sunday afternoon in Mississauga.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 17:27:12 CET 2003 from dialin-70-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.70)

Posted by:

Gene

Good point, Charlie. It is also common knowledge that many respectable New England Yankee merchants made their fortunes from the slave trade, that's where the big money in slavery was.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 17:14:18 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Flipping through some of my long-neglected vinyl, I found a version of "Up On Cripple Creek" on the album "Come Together" by Goody Two Shoes (Allied ALS237). The notes say the LP was recorded in November 1969. Goody Two Shoes was really just a studio project for two Torontonians, Jay Telfer and Fergus Hambleton. Telfer is best known as leader of the '60s punkish A Passing Fancy, and as writer of "Ten Pound Note" - and also an ex-husband of actress Bonnie Bedelia. Fergus Hambleton, who replaced Jay in Passing Fancy, is best known as the long-time lead singer of Toronto's premier reggae band, the Satallites. Brown-Eyed Girl in particular may be interested in the additional factoid that the lead guitar on two songs (though not "Cripple Creek") is provided by the old Passing Fancy roadie, Kevan Staples - who was soon to gain recognition as founder of Rough Trade.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 16:53:32 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.20)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Charlie Young

Let's hope, in fact, it was a "paying" tribute.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 16:39:34 CET 2003 from 1cust183.tnt2.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.201.37.183)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Johnny Johnson & More TNTDODD

I forgot to mention a while back that I read that Johnny Johnson's lawsuit for royalties on songs he claimed to have helped Chuck Berry write in the 1950s and early 60s was thrown out of court by a judge who ruled that too much time had passed. I hope that the corporation called the Rolling Stones cut him a check for helping out at that gig the other night...

Question for Pat on the slave discussion relating to TNTDODD: is it true that there were actually more slave owners in the North at the time of the Civil War, but far fewer actual slaves? My mother's grandfather was a Confederate POW near the end of the Civil War at the Ft. Delaware prison camp, but he survived and lived until 1929 (a good year to check out with the stock market crash and all). He owned a large farm and had lots of kids but no slaves. To this day, the African-American population of Carroll County Virginia is virtually nil.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Jerry, since the concept is open to interpretation as to whether Virgil had slaves or not (with me thinking he didn't, but Ed making an interesting case that he might have), I was simply visualising from Ed's POV how many slaves Virgil would have owned and whether or not he would still have been chopping wood while his slaves were performing other farm duties. Nancy makes a good point that the lowest man so to speak would have been chopping the wood and not the man of the farm, so my point was probably weak.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 15:39:31 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.177)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: gnoti se auton

Everybody recognized in the subject item the Socrates sentence on what can we reach for knowledge or what can we ever know

Nancy : Thanks for your post. It is a genius mix of cleverness and modesty. As a (modest) response to your last line, your post brought me much more than you ever imagined. We can exit the debate with no accurate statement, nothing will repalce the pleasure we got meanwhile.. Once again, thank you


Entered at Mon Jan 27 15:12:21 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.20)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Paying Tribute

I am pleased to read that the great Johnnie Johnson took a turn with the Stones on Saturday night in Houston. Word is he rocked the house on "Honky Tonk Women". Last week it was Hubert Sumlin at MSG. I hope the trend continues not just with the Stones but with bands across the land. Honoring your roots is a good thing.

Thanks for all the great posts of late.

Peace


Entered at Mon Jan 27 15:10:39 CET 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Virgil

I don’t think you can infer whether Virgil Caine was a slave owner or not, based on the lyrics to TNTDODD (although I’m happy Ed and others are having a good shot at it). There simply aren’t enough clues to point you in that direction or take you away from it. At the end of the day, we draw our own conclusions based on how the song affects us, and what we want to believe. There are no right and wrong answers, and I expect that the people involved with the debate so far understand this and just enjoy good discussion!!

What seems clear is that Virgil Caine has faced huge changes and losses in life since the end of the war. He now chops wood and talks about how poorly that job pays, meaning to me that he has to work for others to provide for his family, whereas before he might have been a self-sufficient land owner. While having to work for others at a menial task could be demeaning for him, it doesn’t upset him as much as other aspects of the defeat he and his countryman faced.

The wood chopping comments made me smile. I know from experience who it is in a farming family that does any wood chopping and it surely isn’t the ‘ol’ man’, the one who owns the land and gives any orders!! Peter’s right, it’s a vital task that has to be tackled with monotonous regularity, but its also a menial task that is left to someone lower on the pecking order than the one who owns the land, and is therefore in charge of far more important work than splitting logs. If Virgil had been a profitable landowner before the war then there’s no way he’d have done his own wood chopping, unless like Van Morrison’s father, he found it strangely therapeutic.

Even if he was relatively poor or owned no slaves to do that kind of chore, he’d still have had other options to call on before he had to do it himself. In those days a fertile couple with limited birth control options could produce a baby every 18 months, and also in those days growing children were expected to work as hard as their parents. I’m sure there’d have been some robust sons to chop wood. In those days also (I know from the stories of my grandparents in the 1920’s onwards) that itinerant workers were extremely common, staying for as little a day to chop a pile of wood for a decent meal and maybe a place to sleep overnight.

I think the fact that chopping wood is mentioned in the way it is means that it’s significant in Virgil’s post war life in a way it wasn’t before, and that’s because he now does it out of necessity in a way that he didn’t have to before. Before the war he may have had slaves to do it (and the mention in the song could be a subtle hint that he had been a slave owner), but its mention doesn’t mean that he did have.

I have no idea whether my post brings up any new points or whether it makes any sense at all, but thank you for reading it to the end. BTW I luv chopping wood, I also find it very therapeutic:)


Entered at Mon Jan 27 14:38:25 CET 2003 from mcha-aj093.taconic.net (205.231.150.93)

Posted by:

Lil

Ed: Thank you for sharing the photo of you and Rick with all of us. Although seeing photos from that point in time will always sadden me, it helps to know that even towards the end, Rick was still bringing happiness to people like yourself. I think perhaps, along with the music, that was his legacy.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 14:26:28 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.177)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Singer Indenfication or Images Association

What can we add more interesting than what’s already said about Virgil Caine. Sometimes people here-in get the art of expressing my concern better than i can do. I’m focusing on the fact that Levon Helm lives TNTDODD when singing it (i read below something like that). I posted before about my nuisance on trying to identify the Caine archetype
In the actual sense, that means that every time I listenned to the song, I saw Levon chopping wood, i listened to Joan Baez singing TNTDODD (after the GB debate), and I saw Levon chopping wood again, with a lot of exageration, i also saw Levon chopping wood in Italian language. That’s my true problem.
I was wrong when investigating in the Jesse James direction, I fear i am still in the fault line :-)


Entered at Mon Jan 27 12:36:03 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Great picture and story Ed/ Pat??

Ed...Thanks for sharing that picture of you and Rick, I wasn't yet a fan when that picture was taken so I appreiate it when you longtime fans share tales of meeting up with these guy's, whats really cool is that Ive never heard a negative fan experiance when meeting any members of the Band...

Pat...The Virgil thread has been interesting, but you lost me in your last paragraph when you seem to admit that if there was a chance that Virgil owned slaves the most he would have owned would of been two vs. the higher numbers on a plantation, it seems like your saying Virgil not being a rich plantation owner and only owning two slaves is acceptable, whats the differance if he owned two slaves or twenty he still would have been a slave owner...


Entered at Mon Jan 27 11:37:47 CET 2003 from dialup-0687.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.146.175)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The People Were Singing......

Great "Dixie" Thread........

When I play solo or duo gigs here in Ireland and Irish Bars in New York/USA, I often get asked by boozed-up punters to play a "rebel song".....

There's tons of anti-Brit rebel songs to play......" Come out ye Black and Tans" " The Men Behind The Wire" blah, blah, blah......

What I usually do is announce that "I'm gonna play a rebel song".........

.....and then I say "This song is about a war that killed more Irishmen than any other war"....

that usually shuts 'em up and they're listening now.......

I then proceed to play the intro of TNTDODD and sing it out.......

Works a treat every time........by the end of it they're all "Na-Na-Na-Naaing" away as if I freed The Six Counties of Ulster and convinced Gerry Adams and Ian Paisely to walk hand-in-hand down the road..........

Rebel songs!......on a good nite, I'll segue into "Blind Willie McTell".......Now, boyo, there's a coupla Rebel songs for ya...........

When things get really bad, and the crowd is baying for blood, I'll usually play Bob Dylans 'Hurricane"......... drunk guys in pubs really dig that song..........

By the by, anyone seen them latest pictures of Bob with Jessica Lange?...... Dude's got straight BLONDE Hair and a Woolly Cap!

........ Am standing at my favourite wall writing WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?............


Entered at Mon Jan 27 10:13:24 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Trivia - answers

Sam: Thanks

The Second question: The Russian Tsar is called Peter the Great, exactly like our Pete, I really wished someone else posted the answer. Never enough of expressing my admiration toward Mr Viney


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Jan the Man

Jan: I just saw that you pulled up Nancy's post from 1999. How nice. Real sweet of you. Thanks so much. You really are something. I have this image of you sitting in and never leaving a tiny dark room somewhere in icy cold Norway with snow up to the windows, bundled up in a blanket, sipping tea and getting warmth in both hands from the cup, and the glow from a computer screen lighting up your face. If I'm wrong, DON'T TELL ME. edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: What Might Be The Last Photo Taken of Rick Danko

Charlie Young, Bayou Sam and "Dankoists" everywhere: Bayou Sam knows some of this already and I am grateful to him for counseling me to put the photo up. In an earlier post I talked about how Rick graciously accepted and said he would consider the tape of a song my wife, Gina, and I had put together and a few days later getting word that he had passed. A few days after Rick passed a friend of mine (Nancy Gerrity, who is cropped out of the photo cuz I didn't have her permission to include her) posted a remembrance about Rick. Nancy had gone with me to the two Chicago/Deerefield shows and in her post described how fortunate we had been to enjoy and be moved by Rick's great voice and his kindness to us. I had not looked at this GB a single time from 1999 until only a few weeks ago (and what a few weeks it's been). What can I say. Rick's leaving us affected me. I feel a little weird saying this in front of you all, but that's the fact, jack. Still, there's something more to say about the photo.

On that Saturday night in December of '99, Rick recognized us from the Friday night show (Nancy is a platinum blond and so am I, well, sort of, as you can see; and we sat right up front) and waived us over as Nick Tremulis and others helped him down from the stage. We were stunned that he recognized us and called us over and saddened at his poor physical condition. He was sweating heavily, red in the face, obese and had that white creamy saliva at the corners of his mouth. We talked about the show, my and Gina's song that I wanted him to try out, and the current trip he was on with Prof. Louie appearing on radio shows throughout the Midwest. He said he needed to catch his breath and would see us a bit later. We waited, but sure enough he slowly hobbled out. By that time the place was mostly empty,but a few of the faithful were still there. He talked spiritedly to other fans, signed autographs, lit a cigarette and again turned his attention to us. He said he was "real tired" and wanted to sit down, which he did. We sensed he was not well and wanted him to get some rest. We just asked if he would mind posing for a photo before we took off. He said, "Sure would!". I handed my camera to someone and I stood beside him as he was too weak to get up from his chair. Then, all of a sudden, his hand grabbed my jacket, pulled me down--not gently--and he squeezed his chubby face up against mine. He made some corny crack about two guys shouldn't get uptight about feeling warm and cozy like, "Aawwwww, c'mon, pal." What a night. Nancy and I said our goodbyes, gave our thanks and wished him well. We drove the long way home in a heavy rain reminiscing about the two shows we'd seen that weekend, the many others we had seen over the years, how much we loved Rick's voice and how good he had sounded and played in both shows that weekend. (Nancy and I had met and began our friendship at The Band's show the week after Richard had passed away.)

I worried out loud that night that we'd never see Rick or hear his fabulous voice again. But, I was and remain comforted knowing that Rick Danko was Rick Danko to the end,"...like a hero in a story...".


Entered at Mon Jan 27 06:22:18 CET 2003 from 1cust103.tnt1.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.135.103)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Subject: Ed's Photo With Rick

Both that photo from Ed and the words with it are very moving and bring back memories to those of us fortunate to have met Rick Danko. Thanks, Ed--and thanks to you, Jan.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 06:09:06 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Glad to see you decided to submit that photo Ed. I was wondering.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 05:44:44 CET 2003 from dialup-65.56.130.176.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.130.176)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed, I've seen a number of studies, all of which use statistics and number crunching to come up with their answers. The states differ from each other as you go from the border states to the deep South; the slave population of a state like South Carolina approached 50% for instance, and the antebellum militia system there drew boys from many of the finer families. If Robertson had said that Virgil was back with his wife in Coosawatchie (hey, that rhymes) then I'd be more likely to agree with you. But one study for Louisiana, which had many more slaves as a percentage of the population than Tennessee, put the number between 2.5 and 5%. Then you also have to deal with the difference between coming from a slave-holding family and owning slaves yourself.

I certainly did reference the recent work that studied the secession agents and their slavery-defense argument for secession. As I said, I don't think this enters into the TNTDODD discussion. Again, my sense is that the song divorces Virgil from the slavery issue and boils it down to the home-defense side of things, which made guys like Jonathan Taplin stop and take notice.

I suppose there is one more thing that could be said. If Virgil did own slaves, we all agree it wouldn't be in the plantation numbers category. So our hero owns, let's say, two slaves. I can assure you, on an antebellum small farm in Tennessee, a farmer who owns two slaves would still be out there chopping wood.

Great thread.


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Posted by:

TBear

Location: Woodstock/Shady
Web: My link

Subject: Band 5/4/94

Hey now... free cd bootleg fans: there's a free tree of the Band live in Tokyo 94, happening at the Neil Young CD Tree site. It's a cool place for collector's of liberated bootleg tunes. Join your fellow collectors and sign up. If you've never done cd tree before, click on the link and check it out. I hear it's a dandy. Peace - TB


Entered at Mon Jan 27 04:57:38 CET 2003 from dialup-63.210.123.153.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.210.123.153)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente; 81 degrees today - it ain't natural

Subject: Those of us that would like to be able to articulate how we feel about The Band more better

Mr P Viney - I just read the post by Dr Benway. Please don't be put off by that. I find your point of view, along with the regulars that post here daily, to be completely engaging & educational. This is a great site; it reminds me of a local pub sometimes. Don't quit. Who was that dick anyway?


Entered at Mon Jan 27 02:50:10 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

PV, it is the Monteray Pop performance that has Simon has the odd Brit accent, and he is very high too or a greater actor than he ever showed in "One Trick Pony." To me it's a reflection of Simon's burning ambition, if Surf had suddenly gotten to be the biggest thing, Paul and Artie would have been hanging ten on the cover of "Bookends." Which of course, is no reflection on his monster talent. Again, "You're The One" was a hudge bomb and can be picked up easily now for five bucks, a great bargin.

Listening to the Sandy Denny box as I write: two unsung gems: "After Halloween" "By The Time It Gets Dark."


Entered at Mon Jan 27 02:21:06 CET 2003 from cache-kno-hsi.cableinet.co.uk (62.30.0.2)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Location: Liverpool

Subject: Whistling Dixie

Tomorrow I'll be posting a lengthy diatribe. It will explain why I've not been posting of late. At the same time, by virtue of its inordinate length in relation to the relative triviality of its content, it will perhaps also illustrate, amongst other things, the dangers and folly inherent in taking these sort of forums far more seriously than they merit or than is healthy for the average purported adult. I ask you to please bear with it - and me - when I do eventually complete it and put it up.

In the meantime, I'd like to express thanks to Ed Voci for this marvellous thread on Dixie - and to PV and PB in particular for their continued enlightening expertise on the intricacies of the song. Immense stuff fellas. Also not forgetting dear Empty Now for, I think, triggering the topic in the first place. Good on yer mate.

Dixie is clearly THE definitive Band song. Perhaps not everybody's favourite but surely the one most readily identifiable with them and indicative of their art.

As such it is surely always worthy of any exploration no matter if - somehow - it does happen to bore the pants off those who like to take their music more on face value without the need to delve. Such a tenet is, of course, fair enough, but for me Ed's exposition of the possible slavery connections together with the subsequent discourses have illuminated the GB as I've been backtracking this weekend.

Regarding my own perspective on it all, one part of me would definitely like the slavery link to be the case. After all, such ingenuity deserves some reward in respect of both the songwriting [if it is true] and more pertinently in Ed's unearthing of it :-o) [nice one Ed]. However, even faced by Ed's silver tongue I remain very much a fence sitter on this one. And, of course, as a born and bred Socialist a big part of me naturally leans towards Vergil as an ordinary hard working man fallen on hard times.

The fact remains that Ed could well be correct. I say this not least in the sense that it is hard to imagine the untold hours over many long months that Robbie - and the boys - put into this masterpiece without them incorporating at least some reference to the core issue of that era - the slavery heritage and tradition of Dixie. And such reference is certainly conspicuous by its absence elsewhere in the song.

Also in this connection we mustn't forget Richard's overt reference to slavery in his own earlier Big Pink masterpiece - 'We Can Talk' - in which he defiantly declares 'there's no need to slave...the whip is in the grave'. The Band for all their downhome ordinariness carried at least two poets who could evoke intellectual artistry to match the best and were clearly well versed in the doctine of slavery and its impositions on human rights.

In the light of all this, Ed's argument becomes mighty persuasive.

And yet...

Even with Ed's eloquence to entice us the lyrics in question do relate only very tenuously to slavery. I have to admit to finding it extremely difficult to envisage Vergil as anything other than an ordinary Southern working soul fallen on harder times than he desired. In a way, whilst the song possibly would be rendered more complete if Vergil's obscure lyrics were a paen to his fading heritage, it could also be said to tarnish somewhat our pure image of Vergil as this ordinary Joe from Tennessee.

Whatever The Band's intention their magnificent song as delivered by them alone surely remains without peer in popular music. Also Ed has unearthed a little cracker to keep all interested parties looking over their shoulder for the next revelation.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 00:44:00 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Empty Now = "you're"


Entered at Mon Jan 27 00:23:49 CET 2003 from 1cust249.tnt3.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.153.249)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: One More Thing...

Click the link for a great article about the guy who taught Keith Richards to play slide guitar and worked studio sessions for everyone from Paul Revere and the Raiders to Little Feat (back in the days before he discovered movie music and Cuba)--the brilliant Ry Cooder.


Entered at Mon Jan 27 00:13:57 CET 2003 from du-tele3-026.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.26)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Civil Wars + uncivil posts

I have to say I’ve found Ed and Pat’s points stimulating and they make me listen to the song again … anyway, it comes down to Levon’s voice and persona and everything about his portrayal of Virgil says ‘honest working guy, not an exploiter of slaves”. And I’m a devout Robertsonian who would place Levon as (a) one of my all-time favourite music personalities (b) one of my three favourite singers (c) my favourite drummer (d) the writer of one of the most enjoyable rock memoirs. The point is that us Robertsonians love Levon, but not the feud against Robbie (if that makes sense).

On which, Butch mentions a real problem. I’ve wondered about how a club could advertise the Barnburners / Blues Band, and any too heavy mention of The Band would be unfair to those punters who turned up expecting Cripple Creek, but anyway if they ever get this far, which seems highly unlikely, I’ll travel anywhere in the UK to see them.

On spellin’ – I don’t think either Mrs Henry or me were really making a big deal about Dr Benway’s spellin errar. It’s just that if you’re going to put “Dr” in front of your name on a casual post about a rock band, you’re sitting up and begging to be knocked back for anything non-academic that follows. The internet is a fluency medium not an accuracy one (though courtesy to readers should include some thought about clarity). Not that I imagine that ‘Dr Benway’ is a real name. By the way, before hackles rise, I’m certainly NOT accusing the usual suspects in multiple name postings, because “wanker” is a quintessentially British expression, as is the teacher’s quoted ‘boy’ at the end of a sentence. A couple of years ago, a “Dr” of my acquaintance mentioned that I’d failed to address him as “Dr” on the envelope of my Xmas card. So he didn’t get one this year. Wanker.


Entered at Sun Jan 26 22:39:03 CET 2003 from 1cust243.tnt2.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.201.37.243)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: John Mayer

Ed Voci: yes, I saw that John Mayer feature and was very impressed. My daughter was an early fan of his music and got me to listening. She saw him play a very small venue at the local college last February, gave me an audience recording (which Mayer allows) and I wound up going to see him while I was on the road in Baltimore. Now his pop-oriented debut disc from Sony has hit the double platinum mark and he is nominated for the "Best New Artist" Grammy. I hope he can get back to his Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi Hendrix and Buddy Guy roots now that the high school girls are squealing for him, though.

Another John Mayer link to The Band is that another Berklee School of Music guy, Bruce Hornsby, has a guitarist in his band named Doug Derryberry who helped produce Mayer's debut disc. I think that John Mayer is in a league with Susan Tedeschi and the acoustic band called Eddie From Ohio as the most promising batch of young performers on the music scene today.


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Posted by:

Brendan harkin

Location: Nashville

The Band, the best! Anybody know how to contact the boys? Email: Bharkin403@aol.com


Entered at Sun Jan 26 22:29:17 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Pat Brennan

Pat, we must have been writing and posting simultaneously (though I beat you to the "submit" button--you must be older than me!) so I don't believe I have the benefit of your thoughts on my last post that responded to Peter Viney. You've somewhat touched the points I raised, so don't feel obligated to respond, though I would be delighted if you did. One favor I do ask: please point to the sources on participation of slaveowners/non-slaveowners in the Civil War. Off-line is fine. On slavery as a driving point of secession, I thought it was you who referenced a work that reviewed communications/arguments in the South among the elite and that slavery was, indeed, the cause for the South (and made a comment that in war, most footsoldiers are propagandized into fighting for reasons far removed from the true reasons). In the North for sure, ending slavery was not the motive--in fact Lincoln wanted to guarantee the preservation of slavery where it existed in order to keep the Union whole. It was only when victory eluded the North that he turned to emancipation (and then, only in the South) and black Americans soldiers to turn the tide.

edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Sun Jan 26 22:28:30 CET 2003 from dialup-65.56.137.153.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.137.153)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed, as long as we're looking for things, I'd say Robertson's reference to Levon's mention of Lincoln and the slaves is RR's around end way of saying he wrote the song alone (which he has consitently stated), as in "I wrote this line but Levon thought you shouldn't mention Lincoln in a song like this, so I went back and re-wrote it." As far as slavery goes, the 1860 census shows that about 30% of white southern families owned slaves. More than half of the slaves were owned by 12 % of the population, and nearly half of the owners owned 5 slaves or less. Still, the generally accepted figure is that less than 5% of the Confederate fighting men owned slaves.


Entered at Sun Jan 26 21:43:32 CET 2003 from dialup-65.56.137.153.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.137.153)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed, you're welcome. I appreciate your efforts to link Virgil with slavery but I'm afraid I don't agree with it. I'll reassert that Virgil would indeed be unique if he was in the Confederate army and owned slaves. Very few did and probably not many who were serving as railroad guards at the end of the war. Your point that he's only mentioning those parts of his life that have changed by the war doesn't ring true for me. Most if not all farmers in Tennessee chopped wood before the war and continued to chop it after. And it seems to me that the "money's no good" line has an obvious dual meaning: the money was no good for farmers (whether before or after the war) and the Confederate script was "no good" after the war. Levon's shushing of Lincoln has more to do with the psychology of defeat than slavery.

I think you have to realize that slavery as a cause of the war was not a bulletpoint arguement in the late 1960's. One of the salient facts of the rise of the Lost Cause in the 1880's is the implied agreement between North and South to closet the issues that caused the war and celebrate the bravery of the men who fought on both sides of the issues. Thus you have this sort of bland interpretation at the National Parks that emphasizes the military aspects of the war and glosses over the causes of the war. Of course, that is changing now as the NP's redefine their mission in this area. That's not to say many listeners who regarded slavery as a prime cause of the war weren't moved by TNTDODD because it placed them behind the eyes of someone who fought for reasons entirely other than slavery; witness Jonathan Taplin's take on the song. In a way, the song removes slavery from the equation, showing that Virgil fought for his family. And, as a final point, I'd say that Robertson would have worked slavery into the song in a more direct way if he intended it to be in there.

I do like the case you make. In a sense, it would work well in the present and it would be entirely within artistic license to adjust the song to reflect that POV. I just don't think it applies to Robertson's POV.

For the life of me, I can't understand the backhands people feel the urge to deliver when threads get a bit deep. If you don't like it, scroll on by. You seems capable of ignoring polite questions posted here, so why not extend yourself a bit.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where Prof. Louie comes at least once a year)

Subject: Peter Viney; a couple more points

1. If Virgil had slaves he would have had, as you acknoweledge, a small number of slaves. I'm clearly not arguing that he was a large plantation-type slaveholding of which there were many in the slave States. However, numerically small slaveholding was the dominant form of slavery in Tennessee and there was lots of it, not just "cases", as demonstrated by the statistics in my earlier post. As I also mentioned, the numer of slaves (20 or more) one held determined exemptions from compulsory military service in the Confederate Army. Therefore, the number of slaves owned was an important distinction (and a source of class friction--a part of Vigil's bitterness, certainly). Tennesse,though, was not a complete anomaly. There were non-slave holders and small slave holders loyal to the Union in Mississippi, the location of huge plantations and a staunch member of the Confederacy.

2. On the one hand you assert that Tennessee "was carefully chosen" because it was a loyalty-divided state, but on the other that "Robbie painted his picture of Virgil without thinking out for himself whether Virgil had a slave or not." The quote from the liner notes of the reissed "The Band" CD unequivocally establisheds that LH's collaboration on the song (Ah-ha! The Levonista in me emerges)put slavery and how it was viewed from the Southern standpoint very much on RR's mind (all the more true if he remembered it for liner notes thirty years later!). So, instead of having a lyric explicitly about Lincoln telling the South slavery was over (LH suggested deletion), the song finesses the demise of slavery from the Southern point of view with fantastic poetic beauty. I agree that LH's singing and personna bring a compelling, passionate and ineffable identification with Virgil Caine and no one would view LH as a slaveholder. But, without mention of slavery in some respect, the song has a gaping blindspot therefore a diminished meaning. Hey, I'll settle for a flawed masterpiece. I just don't think it has the flaw.

3. Nor am I arguing that there were "uprisings or mass migrationns" of ex-slaves in 1865. (Ex-slaves were certainly in motion and I recommend "Black Reconstruction in America" by W.E.B. BuBois and the novel "Freedom Road" by Howard Fast.) I merely stated that the celebrations of freedom by ex-slaves provide an apt role for black Americans in the song's chorus that refers to singing and bell ringing. Those interested should take a look at "The Shaping of Black America" by Lerone Bennett, Jr., the chapter entitled "Jubilee", pp.169-202, from which I quote:

" 'Hallelujah broke out,' said Felix Haywood, a nineteen-year old slave in Texas. 'Soldiers, all of a sudden, was everywhere--coming in bunches, crossing and walking and riding. Everyone was a-singing. We was all walking on golden clouds. Hallelujah!' Everybody, Haywood continued, 'went wild. We all felt like heroes, and nobody had made us that way but ourselves. We was free. Just like that we was free.' Just like that, the slaves moved into the cente rof their own history, RINGING FARM BELLS [emphasis added,EV], blowing cow horns, dancing, weeping, shouting for joy. In the village of Pamplin, Virginia, near Appomatox, the word was glory. 'Glory! Glory!' shouted Fannie Berrie. 'Yes, child, the Negroes are free, and when they knew that they were free they, oh baby! began to sing:

'Mammy, don't you cook no more,

You are free, you are free!

Rooster, don't you crow no more,

You are free, you are free!

Old hen, don't you lay no more eggs,

You free, you free' "

And and a lot of freed slaves stopped chopping wood, too.

edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Trivia

Sam: No connection with the reccent posts, i just have some lack of memory problems. As a Beatles fan, remind me please, in the lyrics of "Working class hero" (John Lennon), is the verse

"They hate you if YOU'RE clever"
or
"They hate you if YOU ARE clever"

by the way, which Russian Tsar is qualified as "The Great"


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

So those guys are really carrying on the Band tradition - they're fueding (or feuding - see next paragraph)..

I hate when people are looked down upon because they spell something wrong. When you do that you come across as a pompus egocentric paranoic prima-donna. Benway should not be referred to as an "idiot" because of spelling errors, but for the mean spirited, angry, jealous, stupid tirade directed at Peter.

Hey Joe - has Saturday been confirmed?

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

JWB at Towne Crier Saturday night: Butch, I couldn't have said it better. JWB opened as the Honky Tonk Gurus short acoustic set. Enjoyed Sid on the lap steel and Jimmy on dobro. "Remedy" and Randy's dedication to Warren Zevon, a great rendition of "Carmelita". These guys love to play and sing. Great ensemble playing and great solos by each of them. JWB did a new song, "Bucket of Soul" which I enjoyed. Albert had the ladies whooping it up during his theme song. This is one great live group.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Sorry to hear about that riff, butch, because I like both bands myself... and for different reasons... anyway, Levon & the Barnburners torched us at the Cabooze in Mpls a while back... and we loved the heat... burnin' fast and hot... so we are very thankful to you guys... for the midwest blazin'...


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Posted by:

Mike K

Location: Baltimore, MD

Subject: Garth Hudson

Hey everyone, Some friends/bandmates and I are planning on going up to Woodstock on March 8th to see Garth and his wife play at the Colony Cafe. I was wondering if anyone else was planning on going to the show. We are all huge fans of The Band and it is our first time seeing one of them perform and we would love to meet up with some ther fans who are planning on going and just talk music and enjoy the show. We are also planing on visiting the sights, such as Big Pink, ect. If anyone has any good info or places to check out and directions, please drop us a line. Kdawg@comcast.net Thanks for your help and hopefully we'll see some of you in March in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: not empty

hey man,,,

we have done cross-country tours,,, & midwestern mini-tours, & Delta shows,,,& the southeastern coastal area, too, The Barn Burners have been fome Memphis to Moline,,,

as for Jimmy not touring the midwest,, he just doesnt wanna do it with Aaron,,,

him & rando still have a bitter taste due to some situations or whatever,,,& do NOT wanna tour or play with him,,,,

but Levon & the boys are going back to the delta in april or so,, & doin a buncha shows,,, i think,,,,

we try,, but a lot of club owners dont want a blues band where LH cant sing,, so frig em,,,,,

i hope this clears up some of it,,,


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Charlie, Ed :

Enjoyed your reaction, I LOVE those who add to my one's appreciation of "Dixie"


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Butch's report, Billy Joel, Your and You Are

Butch, to follow up on what Peter asked, why doesn't anyone but the Crowmatix leave the NE part of the US? Prof. Louie mentioned in passing once that he has tried to talk Jim Weider into touring the Midwest once in a while. I took it to mean Jim doesn't want to do that. Why exactly do he and Levon feel that way? If it simply is a cost factor of travel and not having the fan base outside of their region I completely understand, but were jonesing out here for some Barnburners\Garth\Jim Weider Band shows.

I completely agree with whoever said they hope booze had nothing to do with Billy Joel's accident. For no other reason that to just shut the media up, every single article I read this morning on the accident highlighted Joel's recent substance abuse problem, even though there isnt a single fact to suggest this was anything more than a car sliding off the road during winter. Sometimes the media really bothers me.

I taught College Freshman English and I find myself making the Your\You Are mistake, unless I bother to proofread that is, which I'm afraid I usually don't do too much on my GB posts.

On a more musical note this weekend I picked up some Chris Hillman solo albums and the 2cd Souther, Hillman and Furay Album that have recently been released from Wounded Bird records. The recent GB comment of Chris Hillman being a very overlooked artist is dead on, I could really do without the J.D. Souther songs on the SHF album but otherwise it is tremendous stuff all around. Also on a whim I picked up a 2 CD set of the recordings of Blind Willie McCall. He isn't Robert Johnson, Barbacue Bob, Lighting Hopkins or some of my other favorites, but it isn't bad. His voice was perhaps a little too high for my liking as traditional Blues goes, I like em with a little more gravel in the throat, been there-done that quality to my Blues singers. Still, it is a legit Band reference.


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Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: The Danville Train

Subject: Dr. Benway

I assume that "Dr. Benway" is still in first grade as the poster hasn't learned the difference between "you're" (the contraction for "you are") and "your" (the possessive pronoun). This is typical grammatical ignorance among Internet idiots, however. God how I pity the poor English teachers of this generation.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Seeing the new …

I always enjoy your posts about the current stuff, Butch, and am glad every time they appear. But for some of us out here, the Jim Weider Band and Levon Helm Blues Band are virtually just local North-East bands nowadays, and for those of us in Europe, or most of North America or Asia, we can only read, and feel sorry we weren't there, but we've stopped living in the expectation of seeing them anymore, or even getting an album. So the old stuff has to satisfy us. We used to get a lot more stuff here from the West and South-West but it's drying up.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (home of John Mayer's guitar hero, Buddy Guy)

Subject: John Mayer

I just got through watching the CBS Sunday Morning show (fast becoming the erudite version of VH1's "Behind The Music", recalling the piece last week on Chuck Leavell)and its piece on John Mayer. Opinions anybody?

Band links: Mayer was born north, but went south to "feel" the music rather than "study it". And where did he study it? The same prestigious Berklee School of Music in Boston also attended years ago by one "Mark L. Helm" (see p.230 of TWOF). Mayer's guitar hero is Buddy Guy who has a blues club in Chicago where Levon & the BB played in 2001.


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Posted by:

butch

Location: the present

Subject: today's music

I had the joy of seeing Jimmy Weider's band ;ast night,,,up in Pawling,,, the room was almost maxed out by showtime,,,

the fellas started out with an "acoustic" set with sid mcguiness on lap steel guitar,, he smoked the joint,,,,blistering but understated leads with Randos vocals backed by Al Rocksalt Rogers & weider himself,,,

Remedy, Blues Condition, a GREAT NEW VERSION of CARMELITA, ( the adam duritz's version ) Rando's vocal was right on the money,,as was Dan's piano & organ playing,,,,,powerful playing that underscores the rest , like Garth always did,, he's a keeper that Dan the Man,,,

Then it was time to strap on the Tele & Strat,,, & off they went,,, Deep Feeling, Deepest Cut,Soulful of Blues all strong songs,, done with confidence & taste,, as well as TALENT,,,

too bad there arent more Band fans cause these cats carry on the tradition,,,

the Weider Bands version of Life is a Carnival is true to their teachers yet in their own style -----------BRILLIANT !!!!!

next time you get tired of discussing the same old same old,, get out & go see these guys ,,,THEY ARE NOW,,, & VERY GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!

Nice Job Fellas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Billy Joel

Lil, CNN is reporting this morning that Billy Joel has been released from the hospital. Though they are not specific as to his injuries, based on their report, he is ok.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Lil = according to the Long Island news channel Billy is in stable condition at Stony Brook University Med. Center. That's where they always airlift people to that have very serious injurys (injuries?). Not only do I hope he comes through OK, but I hope to God he wasn't drinking. It'll probably be coverd pretty heavy here because he's a local guy. I'll post anything new.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: You're / Your

Dr Benway's doctorate is unlikely to be in English if he doesn't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' but I assume it's just a typo as there are at least three equivalent typos / spelling errors in my post too. I don't think it adds anything to anyone's appreciation of Dixie - it happened to be a discussion with Ed and Pat on the historical background. To the right of your / you are browser there should be a scroll bar. It's pale blue in Entourage. Use it in future when you see my name. Or learn something about polite debate.


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Posted by:

Dr Benway

Subject: Choppin' Wood

Peter Viney: How can this crap you spout possibly add to anyone's appreciation of "Dixie"? You’re grade C- level Marcus-style extrapolating is grade A+ wanking off. I'm reminded of the line my first grade teacher used to use on students who had lots to say of little importance; "Do you like the sound of your own voice boy?"


Entered at Sun Jan 26 12:39:58 CET 2003 from mcha-af016.taconic.net (205.231.30.15)

Posted by:

Lil

I was just saddened to hear that Billy Joel was involved in a serious car accident last night on Long Island. He's always been one of my favorites and I hope he'll be ok. He was airlifted to a hospital. Please think good thoughts. Thanks.


Entered at Sun Jan 26 12:07:06 CET 2003 from du-tele3-076.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.76)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Chopping Wood

Ed – it might be just you and me and Pat discussing this one – but I hope not! W.S. had best scroll by. The Weight painted different pictures for almost everyone, and while Dixie paints a more homogenuous image for most of us, a song is about the personal picture it gives to each of us. The pleasure of songs, like poetry is that the message is never clear or defined, but comes in shorter spells. In all probability Robbie painted his picture of Virgil without thinking out for himself whether Virgil had a slave or not. From the lyrics, we don’t know whether Virgil lived in west Tennessee or east Tennessee, but I assume the state was chosen carefully because it was a state where there was a division between large-scale slavery to the west and small farmers to the east, and it was a state with divided opinions. Of course, it might simply be that Tennessee has an internal balance in the sound of the word that makes it ideal for song lyrics (Tennessee Moon, Tennessee Waltz …). But if you imagined a languid Southern aristocrat forced out of the white mansion to chop wood in Louisiana, you wouldn’t have much sympathy. Arguing the numbers of slaves, still leaves a comparatively small number in the east in Tennessee. Virgil is a small self-reliant farmer- the evidence for that has not so much to do with Robbie’s lyric, and a lot to do with Levon’s accent, voice and the interpretation he gives it.

So what happened to most ex-slaves in 1865? There weren’t uprisings or mass migrations. People still had to tend the land and eat. There were cases in America where people held just one or two slaves (a feature of Greek and Roman slavery), but this wasn’t the dominant or distinctive feature of American / British Carribbean slavery. Having just been watching the slavery episodes in Nial Ferguson’s TV series “Empire”I’m reminded that the two distinctive features of “Anglo-Saxon” slavery were (a) it was on an industrial scale (b) the slave was seen as a chattel, and had the legal status of a chattel. In Latin American slavery the significant difference was a slave was a chattel only until they converted to Christianity whereupon they acquired human rights (though remaining a slave). The industrial scale is important- the first market for slaves were the Carribbean sugar islands. Initially (e.g.) Virginia could cope with its own agriculture by using British indentured servants. But in Jamaica the indentured servants died like flies, and the working conditions on sugar plantations were such that slavery was the solution. Cotton soon followed (at that time no one would have thought as the English speaking colonies in the New World as necessarily separate from each other).

So back to Virgil. If he’d been a slaveholder, it would have been one or two at most, and they would have had to keep farming to eat in 1865, and in most of these cases the ex-slaves stayed exactly where they’d been before. The main migration northwards was really from 50 years later. I don’t think Virgil (as sung by Levon) would have been unused to chopping wood- on a small self-reliant farm, the farmer worked in the field with the slaves. As I said in my article, having to chop wood wasn’t worthy of mention for a small farmer or sharecropper, it was just everyday necessity. So why was it there oin the song? If it’s worth saying, then Virgil Caine is doing it for money, cash, not to fill his own hearth with firewood. His independence as a farmer has been lost. He’s forced to hire himself out for wages to make ends meet, and poor wages at that, linking him to the farmer in King Harvest.

The extra bit came from Van Morrison’s recent song about his father, ‘Choppin’ Wood’ where it represents the daily grind of repetitive work. Did anyone see that documentary where three families had to live like pioneers in the West? I know the winters were far harsher, but chopping wood took them months of work. Then each family was judged on whether they had stockpiled enough wood to survive the winter. None of them had. Then I remember the Black Creek pioneer village reconstruction in Toronto. The MAIN occupation of early settlers was clearing trees and chopping wood. They had to clear the land to get title. They had to build supplies for cooking and heating throughout the winter. As the guide said, ‘Those early farmers hated trees.’


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Posted by:

RockStar

Web: My link

Subject: Great Site

Thanks for all the hard work. Looks great


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Posted by:

Mark Atkins

Subject: Robbie Lane and The Disciples

I meant Robbie Lane and The Disciples in my previous post where I wrote Ronnie Lane and The Disciples.

Ronnie Lane played bass for the Faces/Rod Stewart in the late '60's and early '70's.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (but soon moving to Algeria)

Subject: Empty Now (" Vuoto Adesso"); Charlie Young; Pat Brennan; RR's final word, not mine, on TNTDODD

Vuoto Adesso ("Empty Now"): Grazie mille per la sorpressa bella. Io ho metto la canta al mio cugino nell 'Italia. Certo, lui capisce Italiano molto bene (e megliore que me)e lui piace molto La Banda ("Ze Bend"). Ancora, grazie mille.

Charlie Young: How much for my copy of TWOF signed by LH, RD and Harry Dean Stanton? Foreget it brother, not in this lifetime at any price.

Pat Brennan: By the way, thanks for your earlier compliment. Now, on with the argument (with apologies to W.S. who should be off listening to music and not paying any attention to this silly old GB).

The key is the "I don't mind..." part of "I don't mind choppin' wood and I don't care if the money's no good." Virgil is expressing his experience with his transmorgryfied daily life. Money being "no good" is new to Virgil and worth mentioning. Chopping wood is also new to him and worth mentioning. These not-so-bad things, though, he can live with; but losing his brother is too much for him. He is measuring tolerable consequences of the war against the intolerable consequences. If he chopped wood before war, it would not make sense to mention it as a consequence of the war. If working for others, rather than self-sufficiency, was a consequence of war, this is a very awkward way, to say the least, of alluding to that concept. There is no connection to the concept; it simply is not there. Stooping to a menial level of work previously occupied by others, namely, slaves, gives more meaning and magnitude to losing his brother. It is a beautifully subtle and concise way of dealing with a huge notion, i.e. the end of slavery, (subtlety and conciseness, in word and music, being strengths for which The Band is reknown). Afterall, how could such a seminal song about the end of "Old" Dixie fail to make even one reference to "Old" Dixie's hallmark institution? It's pretty outrageous. On the other hand, for the song to say a whole lot or something explicit about slavery would put Virgil in a less sympathetic light, rob him of the obvious sympathy that the song intends to evoke from us. It would also run the risk of antagonizing southern listeners(Lynard Skynard's retort to Neil Yound in "Sweet Home Alabama"). When it comes to the potentially explosive topic of race in America, north or south, subtlety, avoidance, soft-peddling, "scrolling by", etc., often occurs (most recently, Scorcese's treatment of race in "Gangs of New York"). Finally, there is empiracle evidence to support my arguments. In the liner notes to the re-released brown "The Band" CD, RR is quoted:

"In one of the verses I mentioned something about Lincoln in there and Levon said 'You can't do that'. I said, 'Really? I was just reading this book...' From the Southern point of view it was "Hey, this is the guy that was tyring to tell us we can't have slaves.' So, Levon just wised me up to that. He was like, 'You've got to watch that because in the South that wouldn't necessarily go down well!' Then he explained to me the politics of that period in a Cracker fashion that I [understood]...". time...)

edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Ian Thomas

Just checked the cover for "Tears Are Not Enough" (see the "What's New?" page)which consists of signatures of Canadian musicians and noticed that Ian Thomas was amongst them, recalling that he is the brother of SCTV's Dave Thomas, and also that the Ian Thomas Band once guested on one of the SCTV NBC shows (Ian joined fellow hosers Bob & Doug McKenzie on their 2 minute Canadian content show "Great White North."). Anyway, fellow SCTV fans might want to check the above link for more info about Ian.


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Posted by:

Mark Atkins

Web: My link

Subject: Uh-uh-uh and Leave Me Alone Single

It is interesting to note that Bill Munson's scans of the "Uh-uh-uh" and "Leave Me Alone" single (What's New section - January 24th) have the name Ronnie Lane written on them. I wonder if it belonged to Ronnie Lane of Ronnie Lane and The Disciples who became Ronnie Hawkin's band after Levon and The Hawks left.

The link above is Canoe Music's page for Ronnie Lane and The Disciples.


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: NRBQ

The A&E show, "Breakfast with the Arts" featuring an hour devoted to NRBQ airs tomorrow morning (1/26) from 8:00 to 10:00 AM ET...includes testimonials from Keef, Homer Simpson, Peter Buck and Elvis Costello.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Tolstoy to Tinkerbelle...

Wow--talk about multi-culturalism--where else could you read song lyrics in Italian, written by a Canadian about the American Civil War, posted by a guy from Algeria on a Web Site based in Norway? Whew! Did I miss any?

On Simon and Garfunkel: there is a great boot called "A Time of Innocence" taken from the soundboard tape of a November 1969 concert during the first S&G tour with a band. What a band it was, with Hal Blaine, Joe Osbourne, Larry Knechtel and Fred Carter, Jr. pushing the former folkies into some new territory. Great stuff.

I found a copy of Levon's book for sale at Bookfinder.com that includes not only his autograph, but Levon's home address and phone number as well (all this for $150.00). To me that sort of information shouldn't be for sale and I imagine that if Butch asked Levon he might agree.


Entered at Sat Jan 25 21:09:25 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.1)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Ed Voci

Ed: After the monumental ruch of posts you generated (rarely seen in the GB) concerning Virgil Caine, civil war, slave owners, Jesse James....
I'm waiting for your feedback post like....
when i was a student after an exam waiting for the cotations
My manner to express my gratefulness of all the pleasure i got through all that stuff,..
Take this song (and make it better) found on the web:

LA NOTTE CHE BUTTARONO GIU' IL VECCHIO SUD

Il mio nome e Virgil Caine, lavoravo sul treno di Danville
Poi arrivo la cavalleria del generale Stoneman e strappo via i binari
Nell'inverno del `65 eravamo sfiniti e affamati
Dal 10 di maggio Richmond era caduta
E quel momento lì me lo ricordo piuttosto bene
La notte che buttarono giu il vecchio Sud, e le campane suonavano
La notte che buttarono giu il vecchio Sud, e la gente cantava
E cantava na na na na...
Tornato nel Tennessee con mia moglie, un giorno lei mi chiama
E mi dice presto Virgil vieni qui, sta passando Robert E. Lee
Adesso non mi interessa spacca- re la legna
E non mi importa neppure se questo denaro non vale piu niente
Prendi quello che serve e lascia lì il resto
Ma non avrebbero mai dovuto portarsi via cio che avevamo di piu caro
La notte che buttarono giu il vecchio Sud, e le campane suonava- no
La notte che buttarono giu il vecchio Sud, e la gente cantava
E cantava na na na na...
Come mio padre prima di me lavorero anch'io la terra
E come mio fratello maggiore che indosso la divi-sa dei ribelli
Aveva appena diciotto anni, era orgoglioso e corag-gioso
Quando uno Yankee l'ha mandato al creatore
E lo giuro suquesto sangue qui sotto ai miei piedi
Non si puo far resuscitareun Caine quando l'hai ammazzato
La notte che buttarono giu ilvecchio Sud
E le campane suonavano
La notte che buttarono giu il vecchio Sud
E la gente cantava
E cantava na na na na...


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Simon & Garfunkel Live1967

Simon & Garfunkel- Live from NYC 1967. Good recording, anyway! I like Ben’s line sub-Seeger folk to describe some of (but the huge difference in singing and playing ability makes that excusable, even for me). Yes, it was just before they got really good. I’d bought A Dangling Conversation as a single and used to think it hugely meaningful, and it had all those strings. In retrospect it’s toweringly pretentious in spite of the pretty tune (Couched in our indifference like shells upon a shore … And you read your Emily Dickinson and I my Robert Frost) and Paul Simon seems to have eradicated it from his history judging by later live shows. I hadn’t noticed the fake British banter, but his accent is definitely different to normal. I guess he’d just spent a year in the UK, and it shows. The introduction of Richard Corey was one I’d failed to notice - based on a poem by Edwin Arlington Robinson, who I loathed deeply when I had to study him.

On Paul Simon’s diction / accent – when I started teaching ESL I used to do a lot of language laboratory work, and in those days headphones were a bit of a novelty and students loved hearing songs through them. Someone had filled a drawer in the lab with open-reels of Paul Simon songs which were used to lighten up the lessons. Of all the many singers I ever used for teaching English, Paul Simon was always by far the clearest voice for learners. His diction is impeccable and his accent seems very transparent and easy to follow. There was never any competition. As to Paul’s best albums, I’d say Bookends and Graceland, with ‘Paul Simon’ rating very close indeed. The one everyone forgets is Live Rhymin’ with the Jesse Dixon Singers. I love it.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Everything Must Go

For my fellow Steely Dan fans out here, great news! May 6 is the release date of a new Steely Dan studio album, titled 'Everything Must Go'.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: Garth

The latest issue of "Goldmine" magazine has an article on "secret weapons" in rock bands. It's about musicians who were/are in bands where they might be less noticed for their part in the band because there are other towering figures in the band.

Some of the people listed are Gene Clark/Chris Hillman, Dickey Betts, John Entwhistle, and George Harrison...........

Much to my surprise and delight, our own Garth Hudson is listed.

"Yet it was Garth Hudson who was the band's best musician, and it is he who usually added that something special that makes so many of The Band's song unique".

"His solo spotlights highlight many a Band concert, and when internal friction robbed the band of the camaraderie and all-for-one-spirit that helped make their initial recordings such classics, Hudson could still be counted on to keep thing fresh and interesting".

Of course, we all in the GB know this already, but it was nice to see it in print in such a big magazine. Way to go Garth.


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago
Web: My link

Subject: Lyrics

Hey All: I've been watching the clip of Danko, Busey, and Butterfield on SNL. The above link is for Busey World, which confirms of course that Gary is crazy. Apart from that I am wondering if anyone knows the lyrics to Stay All Night (stay a little longer) or knows where I might find them. I'd like to introduce it to my band as a nice straight up rock cover. Any help will be appreciated.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland TX

Simon and Garfunkel/ Live From New York City, 1967

This set from Jan of 1967 shows S and G still with a foot and a half in sub Seeger folk; posed to cash in on the summer of love; they would sound great at Monteray in between Paul Simon's excruciating stoned, fake british banter.

We get two pretty bad cival rights songs("He Was My Brother", and "A Church Is Burning"), ponderous "Sounds Of Silence" numbers "Richard Cory" and "A Most Peculiar Man", along with the rightfully forgotten "You Don't Know Where Your Intrests Lie". This tune sounds on the way to becoming a disaster on par with "We've Got A Groovy Thing Goin Baby", a song the Monkees have every right to laugh at. It was.

A long story revolves around the photo session for there first album, mared apparently when some obsence graffiti showed up in the photo. Guess they couldn't airbrush everything out in those days. It led to another mediocre song "A Poem On The Underground Wall."

Yes, real stardom and their best work were still around the corner for S and G. It is interesting in those days the crowd waited to applaud the HITS, in this case the best songs like "Homeward Bound" "Feeling Groovy" and "The Sounds Of Silence." "America" "Mrs. Robenson" "The Boxer" were still to come, Simon's will to improve that would lead him to his best album, the Artie free "Paul Simon." "A Hazy Shade Of Winter" is here to illustrate they would even get a little better at Rock.

It is interesting here to see them hedging their bets; avoiding the POP stigma (They site "Dangling Conversation" as there favorite(!), well, it's a nice melody) while inching towards the top fourty with new abandon. "For Emily" is still a great guilty pleasure, and again, damn pretty.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: The Author's intention

It may be not evident at the first view, this is related to my recent previous posts

A great Orchestra leader (i dont tell his name) said:
"To succeed your interpretation, before playing a partition you must feel the prime intention of the composer. Examlpe, when you read the partition of Mazurka of Frederic Chopin, you understand that George Sand is somewhere ubder the piano"


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: jesse james and the movies

this is an old chestnut but worth thinking about in the light of recent postings.off the top of my head without consulting books or the net,i can think of about 5 or 6 films on the jesse james story.(i bet theres loads more) the tyrone power version which spawned the sequel,the return of frank james( im sure the latter was one of the earliest examples of 'the sequel' idea). the great northfield minnesotta raid.im sure johnny cash and kris kristofferson and willie nelson have done one. my own fav. for the no 1 jesse james film has to be walter hill's the long riders.all those great acting brothers together with the great david carradine stealing the show as cole younger,awsome! for the record levon would have made a great jesse james in the movies.peace.rich


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Those Scholastic Rock Bio Paperbacks...

Bill & Bumbles: it took me a while to dig them out, but I did find a few of those old Scholastic Book Fair rock'n'roll paperbacks. The one with the piece about The Band ("Fillmore East and West") brought back some memories, as did the one titled "Inside Pop," featuring John Sebastian on the cover. I checked my favorite used book site on the Internet, Bookfinder.com, and saw that most of these books are pretty readily available in the five to ten dollar range.

Bud Scoppa's 1971 book about the Byrds, however, is another story. Bookfinder lists a few copies ranging from around $45 up to one priced at $250.

It's hard to tell if all of these were published internationally, but the Scholastic offices were listed as New York, Toronto, London, Auckland and Sydney at the time.


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Posted by:

Bob D.

Location: Couldbeanywhere
Web: My link

Subject: Civil War

Hey, Bandheads! Been followin' your recent discussion of the Civil War -- think you will like my new music video "Cross The Green Mountain" from the new Civil War film, "Gods And Generals" debutin' between 5:15 and 5:45pm ET/PT on TNT January 26. Don't miss it!


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Thanks for the link Bob. I remember Cal Jam II being advertised but I recall there was massive traffic problems reported for the first Cal Jam and stayed away from number two.

I wish now I had saved those canceled show tickets, but I always needed money back then.Tickets back in the 70's probably were under twenty dollars.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: reminds me of you

Subject: Elizabeth from ny

welcome!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: P. Longhair

B_WIGO: Glad to hear you’re enjoying the Professor Longhair discs. When I mentioned them the other day I wasn’t sure they were both still in print. Since his death, it’s come to seem that every time Longhair sat down at a piano during the 1970s someone turned on a tape recorder. The result has been more Professor Longhair on disc than any sane person needs, most of it featuring live versions of the same 8 or 10 songs over & over, in poor audio quality, and at high import/bootleg prices. The other must-have late-period Longhair is “Crawfish Fiesta,” his final studio recording, which was released just days after his death. Definitely in print, it offers the added attraction of an entire disc’s worth of Dr. John—on guitar.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Dave tPG: Given BOA's appearance at the revived event, the thought "Jim Dandy to the rescue" is not inappropriate. Nor, if you took a pass, is "oh what a lucky man".

Peter V: Interesting, this Danville stuff. Around '73 there was a hilarious TV news satire on the new Global TV network, titled "Shhh ... It's The News". I remember one episode where actor Jack Duffy appeared as a stogie-chomping, Castro-lookalike leftist folksinger named Pete See-gar.

I've been wracking (racking?) my brain, trying to figure out why I know the JJ song so well. Even if it was in the movie, I would've seen that only once in the mid-'60s (on Elwy Yost's "Passport to Adventure"), so I suspect it must have appeared as incidental music on some sitcom - maybe Beverly Hillbillies?

Bumbles: I still have my copy or Hopkins' "Rock Story", which I've kept for the detailed history of the Buffalo Springfield, as remembered by the road manager. Although subsequent authors of most Young or Springfield books have seemed totally unaware of the book, I'm pleased to say that the book was used - with fair attribution - by the author of the excellent Young bio, "Shakey".

Peter V again: Atkinson, Danko and Ford did one LP, the liner notes to which note that Terry is Rick's brother. (Then snakishly hastens to add that this doesn't mean anything and that it's the music that matters.) That LP was remixed (with new drums/drummer on some cuts) and reissued - sans notes - as the first Bearfoot LP. Bearfoot did two more - the first of those, with "Molly", being first rate - though Atkinson and Danko were gone by the time the last one came out. By the way, the first LP has a song called "Mark Twain" that is rather Bandish in its reference to Mississippi river boats.



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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Happy Birthday !

Not one birthday salutation here today for our old friend Neil Diamond. Maybe the good wishes will start appearing as soon as everyone returns from the restroom.

Happy Birthday Warren Zevon.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: DtPG

Dave, this link's for you.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: 1st Cal Jam

I had tickets for the very first Cal Jam at Ontario Motor Speedway.The line-up was The Band, Allman Bros., and the Grateful Dead.Same concert as Watkins Glen.The show was canceled and I got a refund.I was very disappointed at the time and never knew why this concert was canceled.Does anyone else remember this non-show? Ontario Motor Speedway as in Ontario,California.

Eventually the first Cal Jam came off and the headliners were Emerson, Lake, and Palmer,Black Oak Arkansas,etc.I skipped that one.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ridin' that train …

Elizabeth- thanks! There are now FOUR of us interested. I found that History in Song one too, with the quoted ‘Danville’ line. Then I found a group of bluegrass lyrics sites which come up with this as the basic lyric!

Jesse James was a boy who killed many a man
He robbed the Glendale train;
He stole from the rich and he gave to the poor
He'd a hand and a heart and a brain.
Poor Jesse had a wife to mourn for his life,
Three children, they were brave;
But that dirty little coward that shot Mr. Howard
Has laid poor Jesse in his grave.
So I’m sure that “Danville” is a mistranscription in the lyric books we looked at before,


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Posted by:

Elizabeth

Location: New York

In my post I forgot to say that the website Jesse James - History in Song does have the lyrics for a version containing the "dirty little coward that shot Mr. Howard" line. Be gentle, it's my first time.


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Posted by:

Elizabeth

Location: New York

Subject: Jesse James

To Peter Viney, there is a website www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton2/jesse1.html which I discovered doing a search on Jesse James. The search engine returned "James, Jesse History in Song. I would give you the link to the website but I am not that clever./n I am an avid lurker who has enjoyed your posts and I'm glad if this is helpful to you.


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: re: loose ends

To my knowledge, Rick Danko was never involved with the Montgomeries, especially in terms of recording an album. Some guy from Ireland was however.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Still on the Danville train …

It gets worse- looking up the song Danville Girl which Guthrie recorded and all references are to … Pete Seeger

I was standing on the platform
Smoking a cheap cigar
Listening for that next freight train
To carry an empty car.

Well I got off at Danville
Got stuck on a Danville girl
You bet your life she's out of sight
She wore those Danville curls.
But as Guthrie recorded a song about trains and Danville, he could well be the one who inserted it into Jesse James! There will be more. Sorry!


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Posted by:

Mr. Brennan

You're grounded young man.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Geography & Books

BILL: It had never occurred to me, but you’re right about Melanie & Patti Smith. And “Lay Down” wouldn’t be a bad cover for Patti. It must be a New Jersey thing. Melanie is from Long Branch, in Bumbles’ own Jersey Shore neighborhood, while Ms. Smith is from Glassboro, about 70 miles south. I’ve never heard of the Scholastic Fillmore book, but have one by Bud Scoppa on, of all people, the Blues Project, and wish I still had the same author’s Byrds book. In the U.S., Scholastic books were more for direct sale than libraries. A couple of times a year teachers would distribute catalogs, collect money over the next week or so, and a few weeks later, on what was always a big day, distribute the books. I was always astonished they published any rock titles at all.

C_YOUNG: I’m not familiar with the Pickering Dylan book, but I would certainly add Daniel Kramer’s Dylan photo-biography to that early shelf.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jesse James - not final!

W.S. – you’ll have to indulge us on The Legend of Jesse James and the Danville train (by scrolling by). A few years ago, I did a cassette of outlaw songs for a friend who was writing on outlaw myths, and somewhere on it I had a version of The Legend of Jesse James including “the dirty rotten coward who shot Mr Howard” line, but I can’t find the version, and it’s driving me mad! Woody Guthrie also wrote a song called ‘Danville Girl’ which means a lot of songs about such a relatively obscure place! Anyway, I’m continuing to look, so my apologies, there will be more, because there are at least three of us who are interested! Empty Now and I are hoping to see Ed’s opera!


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Bumbles, I must say that as the crowd arrived the day before, it was very well behaved. We were right next to the lake just north of the "downtown" area of the Glen (in sight of the movie house if my addled memory serves me well) when traffic literally stopped. Probably around 7 or 8 in the morning. So we got out and threw a frisbee around and talked to hippie chicks. I have some Super 8 footage somewhere of the most beautiful girl in the world smiling and waving. We didn't get into the camping area until the afternoon, probably later than earlier, although we were one of the first wave inside the place.

The "commercial" area just outside the main gate to the concert area--not the parking area, mind you--was a bit scary. The usual deadhead beads and baubles set, very peaceful, and the lude/reds/smack salesmen, not so peaceful. But, apart from the occasional vomitter, the crowd itself was well behaved. Just really downed out as opposed to spacey. Does that make sense?

Concerning a Watkins Glen book, perhaps after my parents pass. They don't know I post here.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: TNTDODD - Jesse James (final)

WS Walcott: This is a serious job, i'm trying to provide some scenic-artifices to Mr Ed Vico who is presently mounting an opera on TNTDODD

Peter: Long I waited for your opinion. It was great. You mention a Guthrie web site, i reproduced the lyrics from a folk songbook, non authored, dated 1973.
Thanks for details, my concern was simply what visage placing on the Virgil Caine name, dont you think that someone in the JJ neighborhood has some Caine character ?
Tell me if i'm wrong, if i understood your post, the current lyrics of "The ballad of Jesse James" are inspired from TNTDODD, i'm proud cause i believed the inverse (i'm joking Pete)


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Bumbles, Books, Brennan and Berry...

Bumbles: I had that Nik Cohn "Rock from the Beginning" as well as "Rock Scene" by Robinson and Zwerling myself. I lived in Bruce Springsteen's Monmouth County for a couple of years back in that era, so maybe we were shopping at the same stores. There was a stapled, tabloid-sized book about Bob Dylan from that same period that was compiled by a guy named Stephen Pickering and published at the time of Dylan's 30th birthday. The original retail price was two bucks, but I saw a copy for sale from a New Jersey rare book dealer recently for over a hundred times that price.

Pat Brennan should write the book on the "real" Watkins Glen if the actual soundboard recordings are ever issued. Dennis McNally's recent book about the Grateful Dead included an interesting section about the Watkins Glen concert. It seems that the festival organizers wanted just three acts to perform and had signed Leon Russell to complete the bill with the Dead and the Allman Brothers. The Dead requested that The Band be the third act for the concert, so the promoters supposedly paid Leon NOT to play.

Peter: thanks for the history on The Band and Chuck Berry's "Deep Feeling" instrumental. That "Live at Loreley" DVD is not available in the US, but I looked it up on the Amazon UK site. The one review there claims that Richard Manuel died before Robbie left The Band...


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Posted by:

Bill

Bumbles and Charlie: Did either of you keep any of those slender Scholastic Book Services volumes - intended, presumably for school libraries? I still have "Fillmore East & West" by James A. Hudson, which has 10 pages on our guys, including some good photos and surprisingly helpful commentary and quotes.

Bumbles: You mentioned Patti Smith. A couple of weeks ago I picked up a copy of Melanie's first LP at a thrift shop. I've always loved "Lay Down" and was sort of interested in seeing if I could stomach the rest of her material better than I could 30 years ago. The funny thing is, as soon as she started to recite the "Candles In The Rain" poem I realised how much she sounds like Patti Smith! To this non-NewYorker, they have the same accent and speak in the same husky way. And "Lay Down", which follows the poem seems similar - in structure and anthemic quality - to Patti's version of Springsteen's "Because The Night". Next someone'll be telling me that Patti's real surname is Safka!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Early Rock Lit/Crowds/'ludes

BILL: Your mention of “Rock Revolution” sent me on an unsuccessful search for my old copy. I did turn up something of a companion volume, though, also from 1971, Richard Robinson & Andy Zwerling’s “Rock Scene,” which has a brief, fairly useless section on the Band (“Country-Rock, Now Rock-Country”) that posits the following: “Many attributed this fullness of the group’s vocals to their Canadian background and accents.” As you probably know, Lenny Kaye, who wrote the Hammond piece in “Rock Revolution,” compiled and annotated “Nuggets” and has played guitar with Patti Smith for almost 30 years.

CHARLIE_YOUNG: We must have gone to different schools together, or at least had similar libraries. In addition to the Goldstein and Gabree, I’d add Jerry Hopkins’ “The Rock Story,” three titles compiled by Jonanthan Eisen, volumes I & II of “The Age of Rock” & “Twenty Minute Fandangos & Other Changes,” and Nik Cohn’s “Rock from the Beginning” to that early 70s shelf.

P_BRENNAN: Levon has noted that healthy Watkins Glen crowd more than once, and it always jolts me. I wasn’t at Watkins Glen, but my own impression of the rock audience circa 1973 corresponds to yours. And we always said “’luded out.”


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Watkins Glen & beyond

By now it should be apparent to everyone that the only person who has any control or say so regarding The Band catalog, apart from Capitol, is Robbie Robertson. He has talked recently about preparing a new box set of material and one would hope that previously unreleased studio, as well as live, recordings will be included. Of primary concern for fans should be that this material is presented as recorded and not altered.


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Posted by:

Bill

Charlie Y: Thanks for adding the all-important tid-bit that Jimmy James was Jimi Hendrix. Also, John Hammond came to perform with the for a while with Hendrix and the Blue Flames - one of whom was Randy California.

Re Zappa, my own personal pet theory has always been that "Moving To Montana" is an 'answer song' to David Ackles' "American Gothic".


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: WG

I'm thinking that they didn't release the real Watkins Glen because, especially in comparison to RoA, it was pretty ragged. I recall the article Lee referenced, where Robertson said the tapes sounded good and that the audience was really in tune with the performers. Levon mentions the "healthfulness" of the audience in the Gritz interview. Personally, I never saw more a smacked-out, qualuded (is that a word?) mob in my life, myself included. The acid haze days of the late 60's-early 70's outdoor festivals had given way to a more downer-oriented experience.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed Voci, statistics can say a lot while saying nothing. Something over 95% (I've seen the number as high as 98%) of the Confederate infantry force did not own slaves.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Professor Longhair

My thanks to Bumbles for his recommendations on a couple of terrific recordings from Professor Longhair. They arrived from Amazon a few days back and I am enjoying them immensely. I am always fascinated by the stylistic and geographical relationships of American music. Thoughts of Fats Domino, Dr. John, Little Feat, The Subdudes and many others. Hearing how the New Orleans style even brushes up against that old Texas swing is interesting as well.

I appreciate the suggestion Bumbles, as it has made for a really nice addition to my collection.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Brains behind the James Gang

I thought it was Joe Walsh


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: dixie/jesses james

Okay, enough already about TNTDODD and Jesse James. Why must everyone analyze, inspect, and dissect everthing to death? Just enjoy the music. By the way, we all know Cole Younger was the real brains behind the James Gang anyway.


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Posted by:

Lee

Subject: Watkins Glen

Robbie Robertson was interviewed in a British music paper c70s talking about the tapes sounding good. I have the article somewhere. Now in the 90s he was quoted as saying he only had a few reels/reel of quality recordings. I was in contact with Capitol/EMI in L.A. during the reissues with bonus tracks. I mentioned the story of Watkins Glen CD as an insider had told me about that recording after its release. The person in question at EMI said, 'I couldn't believe it when I heard about what the guys were doing with that project. Robbie now wants to delete that CD and possibly release a different live show.' Guys being the team who worked on the Cd release.


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Posted by:

Gene

Peter

Anything in your research about Jesse and Frank James using morphine before robbing banks? :o)


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Pat B., who's to say about the Watkins Glen set. Those songs were doctored way before that cd came out. Remember the few songs on "To Kingdom Come"? That entire show was recorded on 16 track tape, as was The Allman's and The Dead's sets. Why in the world didn't they just release the complete undoctored Band set. I guess they couldn't be bothered to do it honestly. "They" being Capitol?

And...Mr. Pike, I don't belive for one minute that Zappa's prostate cancer was caused by smoking. That would be like saying a woman having breast cancer (in some cases men have contract it as well) is caused by smoking. Not quite accurate.

I forget who said it but I must agree that Zappa was a pretty smart guy. An atheist? I forgot about that one. Only Frank could come up with a song about raising a crop of dental floss called "Montana".

And what's this non-sense about airbrushing the cover of "Abbey Road"?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jesse James

TNTDODD / Jesse James & the Danville train – Had Levon & Robbie’s trip to the Woodstock library revealed nothing but May 10th (which was tenuous anyway) & the moderately obscure General Stoneman? This is bizarre. The “Danville” text quoted by Empty Now is on the web, as “original version” linked off the Woody Guthrie site and is from: (Woody Guthrie completely rewrote the words in his version, so forget that)

“Composite text from a variety of traditional sources as reprinted in Irwin Silber, Songs of the Great American West, New York, NY, 1967, pp. 254-255.

And it does indeed say Danville train in the first verse e – then Glendale train in every other verse. The James-Younger gang robbed five trains, all in Missouri and Kansas, and though they robbed the great-sounding Iron Mountain Railroad and the Chicago & Rock Island Line (for that all important skiffle link) they were never associated with the Danville train, or East Tennessee. The song “Jesse James” exists in about forty versions and the tune is infectious. Notice that the version posted is historically accurate in most other details. The words vary greatly, and I checked Ry Cooder on the Long Ryders OST because Ry Cooder is meticulous about old songs (he doesn’t have the dirty rotten coward verse either- which is the most memorable, I think). Ry sings UNION train, which is what it was in my memory and which makes sense. The “guerilla against the union” myth is sustained. The question is, can anyone produce a version of the Songs of the Great American West book printed in 1967, or a version of the song recorded before 1969 weith the Danville words? This is puzzling, and I’d like to eliminate a typo when transcribing it onto the web, because I assume that’s what it is. Whoever typed out the original song for the Guthrie site is probably well-aware of The Band song and it’s an easy slip. Danville makes no sense in the context of the Jesse James song. But if it was always there, than Robbie and Levon were BOTH bullshitting about their careful and dutiful research, I suspect!

I’ll come back to the slavery one later (better do SOME work today). I think Virgil was in East Tennessee, and not a slaveholder. See the recent Van Morrison “Choppin’ Wood” in which choppin’ wood references “daily routine".


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Ed: You can cut "he robbed the Chicago bank' in your opera


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: TNTDODD – The Ballad of Jesse James

David: Thank you very much for those informations, (sometimes i feel like you answer before i ask some question)

For those who are interested by “The Ballad of Jesse James”, here is the complete song. It is sung under a classic western tune 4:4, G-C, G-C-F-C

Ed: The space in the GB is so precious, I guess by posting the complete lyrics, you will find a small place for JJ and his good fellows in your opera

Jesse James was a lad that killed many a man
He robbed the Danville train
He stole from the rich and he gave to the poor
He'd a hand and a heart and a brain

Poor Jesse had a wife to mourn for his life
Three children, they were brave
But the dirty little coward that shot Mr. Howard
Has laid Jesse James in his grave

It was Robert Ford, that dirty little coward
I wonder how he does feel
For he ate of Jesse's bread and he slept in Jesse's bed
Then he laid poor Jesse in his grave

Jesse was a man, a friend to the poor
He'd never see a man suffer pain
And with his brother Frank, he robbed the Chicago bank
And stopped the Glendale train

It was on a Wednesday night and the moon was shining bright
They robbed the Glendale train
And the people they did say for many miles away
It was robbed by Frank and Jesse James

lt was his brother Frank that robbed the Gallatin bank
And carried the money from the town
lt was in this very place that they had a little race
For they shot Captain Sheets to the ground

They went to the crossing not very far from there
And there they did the same
With the agent on his knees, he delivered up the keys
To the outlaws, Frank and Jesse James

It was on Saturday night and Jesse was at home
Talking with his family brave
Robert Ford came along like a thief in the night
And laid poor Jesse in his grave

The people held their breath when they heard of Jesse's death
And wondered how he ever came to die
It was one of the gang called little Robert Ford
He shot poor Jesse on the sly

Jesse went to rest with his hand on his breast
The devil will be upon his knee
He was born one day in the county of Clay
And he came from a solitary race

This song was made by Billy Gashade
As soon as the news did arrive
He said there was no man with the law in his hand
Who could take Jesse James when alive



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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: "Deep feeling"

The 90s Band tended to do either "Deep feeling" or "Many Rivers to Cross" as a live instrumental showcase for Jim Weider. It was usually either / or in the set. The "official release" version is on the Live at Loreley DVD- the original Chuck Berry was the B side of the first single Levon ever bought according to one interview. It's on loads of tapes though. The Chuck Berry original has two versions with the tapes played at different speed- Deep feeling and Blue feeling, but The Band call theirs Deep feeling!


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (which imported slaves to work coal mines)

Subject: Pat Brennan; Wigo-rama Civil War link; slaves in Tennessee

Wigo: Indeed, that Civil War link is facinating, deep and sprinkled with lots of bells and whistles. I found it very helpful in locating information to counter Pat Brennan's assertion that "there were not a whole lot of slaveowners" in Virgil Caine's home state of Tennessee.

According to the Wigo-rama Civil War link, during the "Late Unpleasantness", as people in that neck of the woods refer to the Civil War, I also learned, Tennessee had at least 135,000 slaves and about 850,000 whites. In the nine eastern-most counties (out of 85 counties total, everyone of which had a slave population), there were about 4,000 slaves. I mention the nine eastern counties because of Pat's point that loyalty to the Union was more prevalent in that region (although owning slaves and being pro-Union were not mutually exclusive)and he places the Caines there. Most of the Tennessee slaveowners held relatively small numbers of slaves. For example, 3,779 slaveowners held between 10-14 slaves, 1,623 slaveowners held 20-29 slaves, 643 slaveowners held 30-39 slaves, and so on. There were no statistics that I could find about slaveowners with fewer than 10 slaves and understandly so because the Confederacy exempted from military service those owning 20 or more slaves and undoubtedly other pre-War privileges were keyed to that number. Thus, it was important for the authorities to keep records about who owned just above and just below the 20 slave mark. It's significant that this privilege of the wealthier classes antagonized some lower class slaveholding whites to the point where some remained loyal to the Union, or would not not support or even resisted the Confederacy. It accounts for Virgil's bitterness toward the "they" who "should never have taken the very best." Class struggle is not always black and white.

So, there's a good chance that Virgil Caine chopped wood in the winter of '65 because he no longer had slaves to do it for him. Also, while Virgil had been off tending to the Confederacy's military infrastruture (i.e. the Danville train which Maj. Stoneman thought important enough to raid repeatedly)it would make sense that there were slaves chopping wood back at the Caine homestead. His work on the train was probably compulsory military duty which indicates that he was one of the typical Tennessee slaveholders who owned fewer than 20 slaves.

Whether or not Virgil owned slaves, the singing and bell ringing of "the people" that Virgil heard or imagined may very well have been that of the 135,000 former Tennessee slaves celebrating their freedom. Like Gen. Lee, who passed by the Caine's land, Virgil may have thought slavery was wrong (although Lee thought slavery was immoral, he did own slaves). Ultimately, Virgil may have viewed emancipation as his own--or his dead brother's--redemption. From that standpoint, in the midst of Dixie's death throws, the chorus of TNTDODD would have Virgil bearing witness to a liberated people's jubilation as it rings out in the distance while he chops his own wood--work he "don't mind" doin'.

A final note: as a foot soldier in the Levonista army, I would be remiss if I failed to point out that Robertson County, Tennessee held about 2,500 slaves. :-) edwardvoci@aol.com

P.S. Susan in Champaign, please check my numbers.


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: Cork City

Subject: Cork City

I cannot believe that Britain's Foreign Secretary is the guy from Wichita that offered me a hit off his joint at Giants Stadium when Donna Jean came out to join Willie right before the Dead played with Billy wearing a cast. Bashful, did you catch that?


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Posted by:

back so soon

Location: a desperado's time warp

Subject: was it really 21 years ago, today? already?

something that has always tickled me about these guys is how much they genuinely respect one another's talent. i remember rick talking about levon's singing once -- making it clear that he felt levon was the better lead singer, while insistent about being the only one who could legitimately harmonize with levon. (this was after richard's death.)

i sure do miss rick. everything about him.

since i'm in such a cryptic mood today, i'll add that i will probably always remember -- and miss -- the magical healing powers of the jacuzzi, the eggeteria, the leather and lace ... eggcetera, eggcetera, eggcetera.

hey, you bet i'm real. people around me kept being told that i was imagining it too, though. seems like perhaps someone was running interference, maybe? or is that just paranoia on my part? (if a lot of this post doesn't make sense to you, don't worry. it's not supposed to, unless you're "in the know." as it were.)

and speaking of heaven and hell, try mark twain's "letters from the earth" if you want some marvelous descriptions of what makes the very idea of heaven positively ghastly. what with this cold snap here in ny, and to paraphrase one of his many quotables, the first thing those of us who arrive in hell are likely to comment on is the improved climate...

take care, guys. see you around -- at the grill, mayhap.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Subject: Isn't It Good...a Norwegian Book (?)

As Columbo would say,"just one more thing..."

A friend who knows that I collect old books gave me a 1962 hardcover copy of the classic Antoine De Saint-Exupery's "The Little Prince" this week. The unusual thing about it is that it is in our webmaster's native language. Now I need to take some lessons in Norwegian so I can read my copy of "Den Lille Prinsen."

Andy R: it's nice to see you posting again. I think that there is video of the Blue Jeans Bash at the C-SPAN archives. Do you have audio?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Cold Virginny

Subject: Random Rambling...

Once again, Crabby is funny as Hell.

I remember that "Rock Revolution" book. It was on my shelf along with Richard Goldstein's "Poetry of Rock" and John Gabree's "World of Rock" back in my high school days. It was all revolutionary stuff and a lot more intesting than most of what Paul Simon called "the crap I learned in high school."

Didn't Jimmy James of the Blue Flames wind up becoming better known as Jimi Hendrix? I'll bet that John Hammond, Jr. could write one hell of a book. I have a signed copy of the one his father wrote.

Peter: when did The Band record "Deep Feeling" by Chuck Berry?

Bob Wigo: that Civil War site you linked really is amazing.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia
Web: My link

Subject: Blue Jeans Bash

I can answer some questions regarding the "Blue Jeans Bash" because it was one of the last Band gigs that I was involved.

Held at the National Historical Museum in Washington Dc for the 1992 Clinton Inaug. I was responsible for all the travel and accomodations arrangements. Bill Clinton was supposed to show up, but never made it.

Recorded by Pyramid Records, the small Chattanooga Tenn. label that released the Jericho album, the performances were judged not up to par for release, plus getting the releases probably for all the artists performing was a big stumbling block I'm sure.

Featuring The Band, the Cate Brothers Band, Dickie Betts from the Allman Brothers Band, Dr. John, I believe Ronnie Hawkins and or his daughter and/or his son ( or both), I'm a little hazy on the details, plus Bob Dylan, with John Simon conducting and acting the MC. I will have to check the tapes to see who I have left out.

Attending the performance..the Governor of Arkansas , Don "Superchicken" Tyson (of Tyson Chicken), Levon's dear friend and old Clinton roomate Mr. Paul Berry and many many other old and dear friends from near and far.

Highlights I remember (kind of tounge-in-cheek):Don Johnson and Melanie Grirrith's rendition of "Stormy Monday", and John Simon introducing Dylan while Bob was still sitting on the toilet!!!!! After a few minutes he made it up to the stage and gave his usual unusual Bob Dylan performance.

I will try to look through my Band stuff to find some more specifics if I can Anyone else out there in GBland have any other recollections of the "Blue Jeans Bash"?

All the best folks.

Andybr67@AOL


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Visions of Heaven and Hell

I think I'd rather be in Hell with Zappa and Matt Groening. God would probably keep making Dylan sing that crap from his Jesus albums all the time which would quickly get on my nerves!! And He'd most likely relegate The Band to playing "Promised Land" and "Daniel and the Sacred Harp" over and over again.

Hendrix would be down with us I'm sure! Also, with this protracted cold spell we've been having here in NYC I almost can't wait to get there!!


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: P.Viney, Levon - Richard

Peter....in any conversation or interview I have done with Levon...he has 'always' maintained that "Richard was our lead singer" paulg


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Posted by:

Mikey Lenahan

Location: Clinton, NJ

Subject: Still Howlin For Hubert

I couldn't of said Better, Butch. I was about 10 degrees below ZERO last night in NYC and about a thousand degrees hotter in the belly of BB Kings blues club. Butch, you are right about saying that LEVON owned the club last night. His playing was HOTTER then ever and the band was right on. The crowd went wild for the boss man each and every time he hit those drums. Every band that hit the stage last night were unbelievable. Shemekia Copeland melted the house. I can't believe that such a small woman could bring the house down like that. As always....It was a pleasure to meet up with the GREAT Butch Denner. Hope to post some photos of the show this week. Peace


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Posted by:

Bill

How's the following for an evocative opening paragraph - to a piece called "East Coast Rock" by Lenny Kaye that appears in a 1971 book titled "Rock Revolution":

"The night is young and we're sitting midst the cramped confines of the Cafe Au Go Go, tailing the end of Bleecker Street before it winds its way east out of New York's Greenwich Village. John Hammond has just left the stage, the sound of his harmonica still pressed against the bare brick walls of the club, and his Hawks are starting to clear the rows of amplifiers to make room for the next performer. The loudspeaker announces some mumbled mention of a special guest, over between sets at the Cafe Wha, give him a big hand and will you welcome ... Jimmy James and the Blue Flame!"


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: loose ends

Yes there were 3 lead singers but Richard and Levon sang the same amount of tunes with Rick one less until around 1971 when Rick started to sing an equal amount of tunes.

I remember reading an interview with Rundgren where he was complaining about the Stage Fright sessions ....saying it would go on for hours where they would make up riffs in their heads and then no one could play them..implying it drove him crazy.

Another ancient rumor was that Rick Danko was helping the Montgomeries make an album, around '69. The recent Jon Gershen quote about the Band and head games jumped out at me. But who knows what it means? Maybe Peter Stone Brown would. His brother Tony was in the Montgomeries.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Keep 'em coming, Butch!


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: levon haters scroll by

Last Night ( wednesday ) @ BB KINGS in NYC,,,,,The Blues came out to take care of one of their own,,,,

MR HUBERT SUMLIN !!!!!!

Levon, Jimmy Vivino, David Johanssen, Mike Merritt,HUBERT, & David Maxwell made up the WOLF tribute band & man did they cook,,,,,,,

with Jimmy V doing the MC honors,,, he shuffled players on & off the stage, perfectly,,,Pat O'Shea from Levon's Barn Burners, stole the show with his tasty licks,,,& Ann Rabson spelled david maxwell on piano for a couple & she was cookin too,,

Shemekia Copeland did a few & broke down during one of her Late Daddy's tunes ( Johnny Copeland )

Bob Margolin,, one of ( & the 1st white guitarist ) Muddy Water's guys,, is in town to mix newly discovered Muddy Tapes,,,, & he sat in on a three or four & burned down anything that was left of BB's,,,,

But Levon, after getting a roaring ovation ( when introduced)from that hip NY blues crowd,,,tore it up , double drumming with Jimmy V's friend frankie, who idolised Levon's style,, & sounded like Randy Ciarlante's style,,,

other players joined in,, The Finns ( ? ),, Michael Hill Band,,,Jon Paris, Greg Piccolo on SAX, gave it a bluesy memphis feel,,,

we raised a ton of $$$$$$ for Hubert's medical expenses,,,& gave the old Master his due,, & he gave it all right back to us,,,,,,,,

Bless His Heart,,,, May he Live Forever,,,,,,,,,,,

oh BTW,,, did i say Levon OWNED the joint,,, all night,, on stage & off ??? heheheheh,,,,, i love it,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Subject: Last Woman Standing

Bob W - thanks for the link re the passing of Gertrude Janeway, the last known Union widow. I note from the article that Alberta Martin, the last known Confederate widow survives, alone in the twilight. Score one for Dixie...


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: cigar quote

Turns out, Rudyard Kipling is responsible for the quote about cigars being " a smoke". I hope that cleared that up for everybody.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Whatever the historical inconsistencies, I suspect that Empty Now's onto something - at least as regards Danville and the laid-him-in-his-grave wording - though I don't know what it is. Just as 'cowboy' merges into the greater part of 19th century Americana in the minds of non-Americans, people like Robert E. Lee, Jessie James, Mark Twain, General Custer, Daniel Boone, Davy Crocket, Marshall Dillon and Pa Cartwright all tend to be viewed as teammates on that century's Team USA, no matter how ridiculous it may truly be if you spend any time thinking about it. It certainly was the case for me as a child, close to the US and growing up with US TV. Probably Robbie too, except that he got to visit at least some of the settings of his childhood fantasies while still not all that much older than a child.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Civil War Aficionados

Check out this site. Amazing !


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Levon interview & Chuck Berry

Levon interview: Levon has always maintained that Richard was “our lead singer” which I think is a mix of respect for the dead, graciousness, love of his comrade and being self-deprecating. I wonder, looking at the oldest tapes how true it was. Levon seemed to take a fair share of leads. Rick certainly played more of a backing role, and perhaps came into his own with Dylan – I notice bits of Rick on the Dylan BTs more than Richard. I suspect that Levon is down-playing his own contribution because Richard took the powerful ballads while Levon did the R&B stuff, and I genuinely think he sees Richard as the lead singer. None of them could have lead The Weight or Dixie or Cripple Creek better than Levon, and if you look at their most famous tracks (add Rag Mama Rag as their biggest UK hit), then Levon would come over as the most prominent. Myself, I stick to their greatest attribute being that they had THREE lead singers of equal worth. And – if they’d ever got back together … none of them could have done ‘Somewhere Down the Crazy River’ as well as Robbie did. (Add Garth’s interjection on Young Blood!)

The other point I found interesting was that the comparative way of measuring bands was the ability to do Chuck Berry. It’s a good yardstick, because everyone did Chuck Berry from Buddy Holly to the Beach Boys to The Stones:

Levon

I'll tell you something that they never gave us credit: you can't tell how good The Band is, or not, when they're doing their own stuff. Same with The Beatles, or anybody else. When they're doing their own stuff, you can't tell how good they are or how good they ain't. You let both of us do a Chuck Berry tune--then you can tell how good the (two) bands are, can't you? So, that's what they never gave us credit for.

I’m not sure if he’s implying that they did Chuck Berry better than The Beatles. If he is, he’s being polite and reasonably circumspect. But if he is, I’d disagree with him on The Beatles. You can’t compare doing The Promised Land eleven years later than The Beatles did Roll Over Beethoven because there is a technology and experience gap. I don’t think The Band ever did Chuck Berry any better than The Beatles, nor any worse. I don’t think any of the aforementioned usually did Chuck Berry as well as Chuck Berry, especially when you play Chuck’s original versions of Nadine or No Particular Place To Go or Memphis Tennessee. Oh! The exception – The Band did Deep Feeling better than Chuck Berry had, and no doubt the Jim Weider Band continues to do so. Geoff & Maria Muldaur’s version of “Havana Moon” always beats Levon’s for me, and Chuck’s too. Buddy Holly’s ‘Brown Eyed Handsome Man’ would be my first choice version. And the Stones can have the prize for ‘Bye Bye Johnny.’


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: A Civil War Link


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Danville Train

Empty Now brings up some interesting points regarding the legend of Jesse James & how it might relate to TNTDODD. Perhaps Robertson was familiar with the Jesse James song. There is some historical significance, however, regarding the Richmond & Danville Railroad in Virginia. During the Civil War, following the fall of Richmond, Confederate President Jefferson Davis fled by train to Danville. From April 3-10, 1865, Danville became the temporary seat of the Confederate Government. To this day, some old-timers refer to Danville as the last capital of the Confederacy.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Shea Stadium

The Accents (see Ed Voci’s link below) seem to have opened for the Beatles in 1965. Shea Stadium was a year later, and the opening acts there (and on all of the shows on that final tour, I think) included the Ronettes, the Remains, and the Cyrkle, whose hit “Red Rubber Ball” was written by Paul Simon and produced—just to keep things Band-related—by John Simon.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: TNDODD - The missing link

Crabgrass: pardon twice, my last post was an instinctive reaction

David: I've learned more about the southern soul in your post than during all my life

Ed: Thanks for the informations concerning the non-connection between TNTDODD and "The ballad of Jessie James", and thanks for fixing my attention on some JJ related work in The Band experience. I take the chance to congratulate Mr Viney for his wonderful work

However, i'm still almsot at my starting position conserning this question of some backgrounds relating TBOJJ to TNTDODD. My first post was somewhat Telegraphic, i apologize on.

Long time I hesitate to submit some analytical views about TNTDODD. But now the occasion is given. I started from some almost evident cross references about the two songs

- A "Danville train" mentionned in both songs
- "a Yankee laid him in his grave" in TNTDODD, "Has laid poor Jessie in his grave" in TBOJJ
These two points being explicitely spelled in the songs

With some speculation, one can also make the connection:
-"raise a Caine back up" with the fact that JJ was shot in the back
- "Rebel stand" (there are many other terms for referring the Confederation) knowing that the term "rebels" was the more widely used to refer the group of JJ (after the war)
- A vague souvenir (i have some lack of memory) make me saying that JJ was born in a farmer's familly, and "worked the land"
it is almost amazing that this connection is never evoked relatively to the number and the evidence of the coincidences.

Perhaps are there some elements of response between the lines in the post of Mr Powell, i cant really remark


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois near the lake and ignorant of downstate
Web: My link

Subject: Rock and Opera; Danville correction

The Minneapolis Tribune (see link) reports that rock drummer Thomas Nystrom of the group The Accents, which opened for The Beatles at Shea Stadium in 1965, fulfilled a dream by conducting the Minnesota Orchestra to the "Triumphal March" in Verdi's "Aida". Nystrom is having a bad time with cancer. Correction: Danville IL is in east-central Illinois, closer to Indiana rather than Missouri. Thanks again, Susan.


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Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Kind of ironic to read John Lennon, in his letter to Todd Rundgren, use the phrase "So shoot me..."

See Link for news story regarding indictments in the Nigeria-based Internet Scam.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Crabby's Comment (An Atheist Thank God)

Yep, Crabster, Zappa was so anti-religion that he grabbed some significant space in a huge reference book titled "Who's Who in Hell." John Lennon, "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening and other great minds are there, but apparently Bob Dylan and his buddies in The Band are all bound for heavenly glory...


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Toronto Craig and The Cigar Quote

I may be wrong here Rollo, but isnt that O'Henry?

Read the thread Toronto Craig. It was suggested by Crabby that Levon was being, I don't know, glorry hogging when he didn't say anything when the interviewer called him the leader and lead singer of the Band. Mostly because the 5 had always said there was no leader, they were equal contributors, and that RIchard was the lead singer. I said that I felt he was being to hard on Levon in that he had just said RIchard was the lead singer and he was probably just being gracious to the Interviewer.

I picked up some more CD's from WOunded Bird Records-some very nice Chris Hillman discs-someone was talking a few weeks back about being a completist. I was thinking on that with the Byrds last night, a man could spend a lifetime just tracking down all the official releases of the solo members.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Churchill (or was it WC Fields?)on smoking

....on the subject of smoking, one of the aforementioned said" a woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke!" OK ladies , easy here........


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Posted by:

Toronto Craig

Subject: RE: Calvin & Levon

Calvin- are you disputing that, to the public, Levon is the most recognizable lead singing voice from The Band? If so, I find that very difficult to understand. TC


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: a band live conundrum

during the mid 90's in the back pages of mojo magazine where they have the mail order cd sections,one of the cd's mentioned as soon to be available was the band,live at the blue jean bash. anyone know what this was all about.did this cd ever come out?could somebody out there put me out of my misery?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I believe Zappa's cancer very much WAS smoking related and he knocked it off as he was on the way out. Look, every addict will tell you THIER addiction is O.K., not like those other stupid people.

When did the Assosaition do "Life Is A Carnival?" Is it as good as Olvia Newton John's "In a Station?"

Hard to believe you don't enjoy SOME Stones, Pat. They have gotten away with putting out some junk that makes "Islands" look like the Brown Album, but they are hardly alone in that....Noticed a new live Guthrie tribute on Ani DeFranco's label features 2 or 3 new Springsteen does Woody covers. Only drawback is the presence of the tiresome fake liberal Tim Robbins.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Cigarettes

Zappa died from prostate cancer which I don't think is related to smoking. I'm not a big fan of his music but admire him as he was an intelligent guy and an atheist to boot!! (Not exactly a coincidence.) I read recently that he released some 50 albums during his recording career which is quite impressive.

I think air brushing out cigarettes from photos started about ten years back when the U.S. Postal Service issued a stamp honoring bluesman Robert Johnson and removed one from a classic photo which showed a cigarette dangling from his lips. Incidentally, I still have a few of Robbie without the cigarette if anyone wants one e-mailed to them. No doubt these will be worth a fortune some day.

djy15-at-hotmail.com


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Fred; Garibaldi; Scorcese; cigars in New York

Fred: Scorcese should do the film on Garibaldi, not only to balance his mob-heavy portfolio, but also because of Garibaldi's connection to New York, Scorcese's stomping ground and favorite film setting. Garibaldi spent some exile time in New York and, at a differnt time, the Garibaldi Brigade was organized in New York as a unit of the Union Army (merely on the strength and charisma attached to the G-man's name and reputation which were well known and honored throughout the world, including among European and South American immigrants and exiles in New York in the 1860's).

Since this GB is dealing with tobacco and such, I'm obligated to mention that Garibaldi loved smoking cigars and that the current NYC mayor is having him posthumously prosecuted for same. :)

Any leads on locating that production from the 1980's would be appreciated. edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Butts Out & Rundgren With Ringo

A cigarette originally shown in a vintage Simon & Garfunkel photo was airbrushed out of Paul Simon's hand for the S & G boxed set a couple of years back, and the cover photo on the recent CD reissue of the Lovin' Spoonful's first album cropped the cigarette from Zal Yanovsky's hand. Frank Zappa called people who did that sort of stuff "the health police," but--ironically--Frank was an outspoken anti-drug guy who was a nicotine addict (and died from cancer).

That whole Lennon tirade about Todd Rundgren is interesting since John's dear friend Ringo Starr invited Todd to join his All-Starr Band for a while. Todd even turned up with a track or two on the recent DVD of highlights from Ringo's All-Starr Band tours.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Todd and The Band

Reading the gb and hearing about Todd Rundgren reminds me that he was interviewed in The Band's "Authorized Biography." In 1970 Todd went to Woodstock to be the engineer for their new "Stagefright" album. On the tape he seems (to me, at least) to be trying to pick his words carefully, as if he had ambivalent memories of those sessions in the old Woodstock Playhouse.

"The material...when they got around to playing it...you know. They certainly had rehearsed it, but I don't think they knew how to perform it. In some ways, they didn't know what they were going for."

I watched that part of the video tonight, so I could get the actual quote from Todd. Behind those sunglasses I could almost sense his mixed feelings, like he was trying to only think of something GOOD to say. I still don't know if the old story is true: did Todd say some disparaging remark about Garth, and then spend the next few minutes running for his life, around the studio, with a furious Levon Helm trying to catch him? If Levon wasn't wearing his cowboy boots I think he would have been faster and altered...history.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I don't smoke myself, and I hate the smell of the smoke, but doing that to the Abbey Road cover is insane. Actually, there's a well known photo of The Beatles from very early on that I've seen that done on. It's the pic. where Ringo is sitting in a chair that's turned backwards - he's turned around facing the camera and the other Beatles are around him. Paul has a cigarette in that photo, but I've seen it redone withput the butt.

Of course, the collector in me thinks about what would happen to the value of the "cigarette" version of Abbey Road or better yet, they release the "non cigarette version" then The Beatles fight to stop it, making that version valuble. It's another Butcher Cover in the making.


Entered at Thu Jan 23 04:17:02 CET 2003 from dialup-67.28.25.196.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.25.196)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Bones, you are correct as to the production credits although RR does get a solo producer credit on at least one of them. I agree that the WG release was greeted with joy by the assembled. Unfortunately, the tracks are now interspersed on the re-releases. I still think its pretty obvious that they were all in on it, with RR out in front. Given the Basement Tapes ruse, it's not that surprising.


Entered at Thu Jan 23 03:33:03 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

JTull: I heard that on the news last night. Good golly Miss Molly! I think smoking is a nasty habit, but sometimes I think legislators go a little too far with this anti -smoking thing!! With all the problems that need to be addressed in society, they choose to focus on the presence of cigarettes in popular culture! one of the Japanese TV anchors made an interesting comment regarding this: he pointed to the shoeless and sockless Sir Paul and said "What's next...lawmakers offended by a barefoot Paul McCartney demanding that shoes and socks be airbrushed on?"

However I think the blame should lie with Crabby, who started this last year (or was it 2 years ago?) with those "doctored" photos of RR without the cigarette!

Ed Voci: I think there was a movie (or mini-series) done in the late 80s, a French-Italian coproduction, starring Franco Nero, about Giuseppe Garibaldi. You are right about some major studio/director doing a movie about GG. His life was colourful and eventful enough!! Unfortunately he wasn't a mafioso


Entered at Thu Jan 23 02:30:44 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Abbey Road and cigarrettes

Sheeeesh! First Bloomberg and the Stones & now this: it just came on the news that Paul McCartney's cigarette on the cover of Abbey Road is being brushed out without The Beatles' permission!


Entered at Thu Jan 23 02:24:21 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Todd and the Levon Interview

One version of Hello It's me? I think not, Does not one else own Todd's landmark album WIth a Twist where he redid all his greatest hits Bossa Nova style? One of the wackiest CDs I've ever purchased by a recording artist of some significance.

And yes Crabby I did notice that Levon didnt say anything when he was called the leader and the Lead singer of the Band, but seriously, cant you chalk that up to just being gracious to the interviewer? I think Levon is off base of his criticism of Robby, but just as Levonist sometimes read alterior motives into Robbies moves-dont you think you are doing the same in this istance?


Entered at Thu Jan 23 02:05:04 CET 2003 from hicks202-157.optonline.net (167.206.203.157)

Posted by:

ZACK

Subject: LEVON WITH THE LAST HOMBRES

The Last Hombres "REDEMPTION" CD with Levon on all tracks has just been re-released on Koch Records. If any of you devotees couldn't find a copy when it was out last year on an indie label, look again. The Hombres are playing in Huntington Station on Long Island on February 1 at Leavy's Last Stop.


Entered at Thu Jan 23 01:20:52 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-021castocp0026.dialsprint.net (65.178.80.26)

Posted by:

Jeffrey

Subject: Chuck Leavell

Some folks just have it all goin on. What a life ......


Entered at Thu Jan 23 00:37:18 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

baby dave

Location: philly
Web: My link

Subject: Townhall-"The New Song" w/ Garth Hudson

Hello all, I am an avid reader of the guestbook...never posted anything before but wanted to tell you all about this album. Townhall is 5 piece band out of Philly that just released their first studio album called "The New Song". They're friends of mine, and are heavily influenced by The Band. In fact, they managed to get Garth to play accordion on the final track called "Tomorrow's Lullaby", which is my favorite track, in the words of Mavis Staples...beautiful. their website is townhallmusic.com, buy this album, they are the most original band you've heard in a long time


Entered at Wed Jan 22 23:50:52 CET 2003 from du-tele3-166.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.166)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Speed reading …

Didn't get home till 10, and off again at 7 a.m. so I'm speed reading what looks like a very good day for posts- especially Ed on Dixie. Quick note though, the Carly Simon Rolling Stone interview was 10 December 1981- I have it here.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 23:47:47 CET 2003 from host81-132-19-119.in-addr.btopenworld.com (81.132.19.119)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Jan's TLW poster

Jan, I've just read What's new. That was my good lady Mel who gave you the poster, she says to thank you for the compliment.....mind you, I seem to recall you'd had a few...Ouch!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:50:20 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.119)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Bayou's gone POSTAL !!!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:32:04 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Crabby = I could be wrong. I wasn't correcting you. I just remember him going on in his book about the "suits" and how they were a large part of destroying The Band and what they were. It's been a few years since I read Levon' book, so maybe you're right and I need to read it again, which I wouldn't mind doing at all come to think of it.

BTW - I would have added this to my just posted post, but I posted it on top of Crabby's and didn't see it until I submitted my last post, prompting me to add this post....what the hell am I talking about?


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:26:08 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Man, you guy's are quick. Now I don't have to look into that Lennon letter. Thanks for posting the whole thing and saving me the trouble.

That letter is so John Lennon. It's typical pure John...... That is so missed - by me anyway.

I wonder what Rundgren's thought's were after that (probably that he didn't want to go another round with the Walrus).


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:18:42 CET 2003 from 1cust18.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.18)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "Suits" & "Live"

Someone please refresh my memory as to how the "suits" screwed The Band rendering them unable to collaborate on writing songs.

Levon clearly mentions that you can hear the audience reaction on live recordings referring to a few live albums he enjoys so I don't see how he could be referring to recording live in a studio - doesn't make sense.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:13:48 CET 2003 from h00065ba4934c.swt.edu (147.26.111.48)

Posted by:

pehr

Subject: Dave Z, Rollie, Jack Straw

Dave Z: I'll get with ya soon. I need to figure out how to use my new digital camera and send jpegs. I'm somewhat digitally challenged, most of what i do with computers is reading the Band Guestbook! Please bear with me while I overcome!

I loved "Flame Warriors" I'll have to go back when I have more time to find myself. Thanks for the chuckle.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 22:11:09 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.119)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: rwigoataol.com


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.
Web: My link

Subject: Multiple

P_VINEY: Your compendium of “lost” sessions is much appreciated. Two quick items: I don’t have Eric Von Schmidt’s “Living on the Trail” so I don’t know what information is provided in the notes, but I did see a press release that had the sessions taking place in 1971, not ’72. And the backing band on John Cale’s “Vintage Violence” isn’t quite Grinder’s Switch; the one change is usual suspect Harvey Brooks replacing the bassist from GS’s own album. Reading about additional “Moondog Matinee” outtakes made me think of Bobby Charles relating (in Colin Escott’s “Tattooed on their Tongues”) that the Band intended to include his “But I Do” (a 1961 hit he wrote for Clarence “Frogman” Henry) in the “Rock of Ages” shows, but dropped it from the set at his request. It would fit perfectly on MM, and they already knew the tune, so who knows?

RED BIRD: Although George Goldner did found (and later lose) the Rama, Gone, End, Tico, and Gee labels, Red Bird was Lieber & Stoller’s label. They brought Goldner on later and eventually sold out to him. One additional (secondary) Band link is to New Orleans vocalist Alvin Robinson, whose recordings on Red Bird and its subsidiaries may have been the label’s best. Robinson went on to tour and record with Dr. John in the early 70s. And Red Bird remains, to my knowledge, the only label ever to issue an lp by Adlai Stevenson, “The Wit and Wisdom of…,” a quickie posthumous compilation of excerpts from his speeches meant to capitalize on the great statesman and famously unsuccessful presidential candidate’s death, although I doubt it did.

B_WIGO: Superb photos. Get any video?

DIXIE: Drive Dixie down? Not while there’s a Republican in the White House (see link).


Entered at Wed Jan 22 21:53:55 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.1)

Posted by:

TODD ON JOHN

Todd Rundgren's interview

"John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a f*cking idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an ass. It just makes people feel uncomfortable.

"All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that?

"He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all."



Entered at Wed Jan 22 21:38:44 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.196)

Posted by:

SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE

John Lennon's letter to Todd Rundgren

AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o'boogie)

Couldn't resist adding a few "islands of truth" of my own, in answer to Turd Runtgreen's howl of hate (pain.)

Dear Todd,

I like you, and some of your work, including "I Saw The Light", which is not unlike "There's A Place" (Beatles), melody wise.

1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right?

2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me!

3) I guess we're all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don't know how to get it, without "revolution?" I could dye my hair green and pink for a start!

4) I don't represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn't be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?)

5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways it's wonders to perform, including verbal. But you'd know that kind of mind game, wouldn't you? Of course you would.

6) So the Nazz use to do "like heavy rock" then SUDDENLY a "light pretty ballad". How original!

7) Which gets me to the Beatles, "who had no other style than being the Beatles"!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE.....

Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES' MINDS. Maybe you need another fix?

Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. i think that the real reason you're mad at me is cause I didn't know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I'd heard you on the radio.)

Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you,

J. L.

30th Sept. 1974



Entered at Wed Jan 22 21:27:32 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: from South Luzzianne ( I always want to type that even though it's not true)

Empty Now = gee, my copies of "Let It Be" are The Beatles. I know what you're trying to say by the way - I just don't really agree.

Crabby = my take was that Levon was referring more to the record company, or "the suits" as he calls them, rather than Robbie.

I didn't realize that there were two versions of "Hello It's Me". Which one has that ending that I like where the song just sort of breaks down?

I'm just reminded of an incident from sometime in the 70's where Todd said something in print that somehow irked John Lennon. It moved Lennon enough to write an open letter to Rolling Stone mag that began with, "Dear Turd...." I'll have to go check out what that whole story was.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 20:38:12 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: A Sense of the Land

Last evening I was reading the "relaunch issue" (Jan./Feb. 2003) of the resurrected OXFORD AMERICAN magazine. On page 109 there's an intriguing essay written by Hal Crowther, entitled "Listening to the Land -- Has Southern literature lost touch with its roots?". While I read, an old LP copy of "The Band" album provided an appropriate soundtrack, its well-worn grooves imbued with the timelessness of the music.

In his essay, Mr. Crowther evokes a fancy term of Greek origin, "autochthon", meaning "one held to have sprung from the ground he inhabits", as defined by Webster. Applying this concept to Southerners, Mr. Crowther explains:

"The Southland presses its ancient claims of land and blood. Alone among Americans, Southerners fought on their own soil, were defeated, humiliated, and abandoned to it while the rest of the country transformed itself with commerce and waves of immigration."

While reading these words, I couldn't help but think of Levon Helm's powerful performance of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" with The Band. Although Robbie Robertson may have been guilty of some historical inaccuracies in writing the song, he certainly captured the spirit that sprung from the "land and blood" of Southerners.

As Mr. Robertson has expressed in interviews, he was inspired when he first travelled to the South to hook up with Ronnie Hawkins, Levon and the rest of the Hawks. He not only absorbed all the music he could, he also took in all the sights & sounds & even smells of place itself. Surely, his visit with Levon's family provided additional inspiration. One need only to listen to Levon singing, "Like my father before me, I will work the land", to hear a ring of truth of this sense of place.

Robertson explores this sense further in the song "King Harvest (Has Surely Come)", with its haunting opening lines, "Corn in the fields / Listen to the rice when the wind blows 'cross the water". Going beyond sight & sound, he even evokes the smell of the land itself with the lines "The smell of the leaves / from the magnolia trees in the meadow". Anyone who has ever experienced a hot, humid summer day in the South can attest to the fact that the scents of the vegetation and the soil itself hang heavy in the moist air.

In his essay Mr. Crowther expounds that:

"Like every endangered species, the autochthonous Southerner has suffered a devasting loss of habitat. The lines of communication between his land and his literature are breaking down."

"...Can any Southerner still speak for the earth in the old voice, the voice of Faulkner in 'The Bear', of Robert Penn Warren in 'Blackberry Winter'? If these hills are alive with stories, is anyone listening?"

While Mr. Crowther, in answer to his question, found hope in Wendell Berry's agrarian essays contained in "The Art of the Commonplace", I discovered a similiar reassurance within Mitch Lopate's GRITZ magazine interview with Levon Helm that Amanda was kind enough to post in the guestbook. In the interview, Levon speaks of his visits home:

"I go back to Arkansas two or three times a year. I just went there, and I'm due to go back again in a few weeks. I like to go down in the fall for the King Biscuit Blues Festival if I can, and I like to get home every spring to watch them cut the ground and get ready for planting season. I like to see that all go down if I can. If I get back in the fall for the blues festival, I get to watch them cut the rice, and the beans, and pick cotton -- I get to watch some of the harvest go down. That's fun to see."

When Mr. Lopate complimented Levon by saying "That's what you personify to us as an audience when we hear your music with the Band. We see those images." -- Levon responded by saying:

"Oh boy -- I appreciate that! It's a beautiful place, it's so stark -- it's goT beauty of it's own. As ugly as it can be in places, it's still beautiful. It's as flat as a pan, wet, swampy, mosquitoes, and so forth, but boy, there's nothing like a Delta sunset...or a Delta thunderstorm! You get close to the elements there. Growing up on a cotton farm, I got acquainted with them at an early age. I've spent my share of time in a stormhouse, listening to the wrath of God outside..."

Levon Helm is certainly one Southerner who has clearly not forgotten the ground from where he sprung. He remains in touch with his roots.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 20:29:11 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Pat B: You wondered why Watkins Glen would be "produced by The Band" when Robbie produced everything else. That is actually NOT true. The first (and only) Band album whose production is credited to Robbie Robertson was The Last Waltz. Besides John Simon's credit in the beginning, the majority of Band albums were produced by The Band. I just assumed that Watkins Glen follows that pattern since the music was created and "produced" in 1973.

Although it's easy to denounce Live At Watkins Glen for it's lack of authenticity, I was thrilled to get the release in 1995. Remember the important thing.....NEW BAND MUSIC! I agree that Capitol should have labeled the music correctly, but they were obviuosly looking for a hook in order to sell it, and Watkins Glen was a now legendary show by 1995.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 20:25:29 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Live or in the studio

In defense of Levon, today being 'live or not' has little to do with whether the music is 'performed' on stage or in the studio. Live to him may simply mean recording a band in the studio unencumbered by too much processing, remixing, overdubs etc. Witness his refusal to work on TLW overdubs. Today, unfortunately, just because you are watching a group perform on stage is no assurance all or part of it is really live anyway, ie. Millie Vanilli


Entered at Wed Jan 22 20:23:34 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Empty Now; Norbert; Fred; TNTDODD; Jesse James; Danville Train; La Traviata; Garibaldi

Empty Now: The Viney article with collected comments on TNTDODD is in the "Library" on this website. Virgil Caine is a fictional character and there are many comments about him in the article. I know of no connection between the Danville train in the Jesse James song you quoted and the Danville train in TNTDODD; I doubt that Jesse James robbed trains as far east as Tennessee, but I'm no JJ expert. There is a Danville, Illinois near the Missouri border and I believe JJ was based in Missouri. The other JJ connnection to De Bend ("The Band", for the humorless), is a concept recording, "The Legend of Jesse James", that Levon, as JJ, recorded with Emmylou Harris, Charlie Daniels, Paul Kennerly (who wrote most if not all the songs)Albert Lee and others. It is where "One More Shot", that Rick recorded with Fjeld and Anderson in 1994, came from. Both of these recordings are included in the Discography of this website. If we don't get a full fledged opera out of TNTDODD, maybe we can get a concept album, like The Legend of Jesse James. But, gee, who in the world could we get to do THAT?

Norbert: Coincidentally, I'm going to La Traviata this Saturday at the Chicago Lyric Opera. Your reference to the use at The Last Waltz of the San Francisco Opera's La Traviata set pieces underscores the grandeur of TLW and the story it told about The Band and 30 years of rock & roll.

Fred: Bravo, senore. Scorcese dove fare un film da Garibaldi. Garibaldi non era stato un mafioso o un membro della banda irlandese, ma lui era stato un l'uomo magnifico degno di cento film. Grazie, ciao.

edwardvoci@aol.com


Entered at Wed Jan 22 19:37:04 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.203)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Oh my God! - not now

Crabgrass: please read accurately my post titled “Agriculture-music connection”. I posted it yesterday at this time. It is clear and there’s no need to be a doctor to understand that i fell down under a sudden crisis after writing the first line. Poor Rick merits a better tribute. I failed dying, i should die soon when writing a post. That’s my way and the price to pay to render the band a tiny part of the huge happiness they gived me. Mercy. You are more fan than me, you understand.....may the GB survive me. Sorry Crabby!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 19:33:30 CET 2003 from h-69-3-221-44.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.221.44)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ed Voci, my highest compliments on your Dixie rumination. The thought of the chorus as a Unionist celebration is a very keen observation. I doubt that it was the original intent of Robertson but it stands as a worthy alternative, especially in the opera setting. Reminds me a bit of the use of the song Tonight in West Side Story where Tony, Maria, and the two gangs are all descending on the fight scene.

I guess its germane to this, but there weren't a whole lot of slave owners in Tennessee. In fact, a good part of Tennessee was loyal to the US, especially in the mountainous eastern counties, including Knoxville. Virgil has always struck me as a dirt farmer, but the possibility that he owned a few slaves is hard to deny out of hand.

I believe a bit of fun would be for each of us to visit Jack Straw/Rollie's website and decide which one each is.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 19:25:56 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

First, Paul G, there was a third Lucifer single, the b-side of which wasn't on the LP . Eugene will still play "Mother Nature" from time to time.

Second, thanks Peter V for the new version of your tapes piece. You can find the Gravenites info at Jim Colegrove's web-bio: http://www.nevessa.com/colegrove.html. Lightfoot did have pretty much the same band after "If You Could Read My Mind", but before that he had a smaller unit - generally just lead guitar and bass. David Rea then Red Shea on guitar (and Bruce Langhorne in the studio) and John Stockfish on bass are the names that come to mind. To correct what I told you earlier, the photo of Lightfoot, Hawkins and Grossman shows them walking outside a log building - sans snow. I'd have thought there'd be additional takes of "Between Trains", with Robbie trying to get more from Richard. There's likely some Band-with-Bauls stuff around too, as the Bauls' Big Pink LP liner notes talk about the two units jamming before our guys put down their instruments - at which point the Bauls commenced the performance of what was to be the LP (and a brilliant one at that). If Garth was the constant taper that he seems to have been, then he may well have recorded the earlier mass jam. The Red Bird stuff's interesting. If I'm not mistaken Lieber and Stoller are listed as the producers of the Hammond single. George Goldner was an early co-owner of Roulette I believe, as well as the founder of Red Bird that Levy elbowed out. He also owned the End label, which issued the odd Rockin' Ron and the Rebels 45 in '58 - "Kansas City" / "Cutting Out". I've always wondered if Hawkins has denied credit for that record for the same reasons that others have been shy, as you say, about their involvement with Levy sessions (or sessions with others while contracted to Levy). Carly Simon's interview with Rolling Stone was more like '71 than '81. Rick's on just one Young song, though Levon's on two.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 19:16:57 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.167)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Which is called a band – 2

Ed: Reading and re-reading your post, and having no answer until this moment for my (beginner’s) question about TNTDODD, i guess perhaps an answer can be found in the collection you mention, i need more complete references on where can i find this collection. -:)

Concerning the topic cited in subject, the nature of a rock band, there are some other interesting situations:

1 – “Let it be” is not a Beatles album, everybody knows that

2 – The famous hit of The Doors, “Light my fire” has been released after the death of Jim Morrison. The survivor members of the group completeley recomposed the song from voice samples of Jim Morrisson. The song has been produced under the label “The Doors” – An actual song from Paradise.

3 – Bryan Adams, (i love this singer, listenning to “Summer of 69” is each time a good trip) is occasionnally the leader of a group (composed by Michael Curry, Keith Scott, and a third guy i forgot the name) which is simply and legally named....”The Band”.....take good care when you are hurried in the supermarket.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 19:13:58 CET 2003 from 1cust190.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.190)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Apologies / Levon Interview

It seems that some former GB posters would rather sit on the sidelines than return and apologize for their behavior!!

I just read that interview with Levon from "Gritz" and once again notice his obvious continuing bittnerness toward Robbie though he's not mentioned by name. ["We couldn't get along--we all knew that fairness was a bunch of shit. We all knew we were getting screwed, so we couldn't sit down and create no more music."]

Also, find it curious that Levon thinks live albums are the best when his blues band (who could have easily and inexpensively recorded and put one out on CD by now) hasn't bothered to do so. Instead, as reported here, they laid down a few studio tracks a while back and then never finished the job. And if Levon thinks live music is so great why does he seem to boast about there being so many recording studios in the Woodstock area? Odd. Also, odd that right after saying that Richard was the lead singer of The Band he thanks the interviewer for noting that most people consider him (Levon) the "leader and lead vocalist."

Well, I guess I'm the only one that noticed this stuff. Click the link to read or re-read the Gritz article.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 18:44:47 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-84.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.84)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Thanks Jeff, you fixed it before I could!


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Jack Straws link


Entered at Wed Jan 22 18:32:05 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-84.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.84)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: "somewhere in the middle of Montana"
Web: My link

I mean this post to be taken in a very lighthearted manner. After checking out the link, do any of these "warriors" remind anyone about anyone here, now or in the past? I know who I am, do you know who you are? Please, no assigning new nicknames. Things are going quite well as they are.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 17:44:05 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Thanks Calvin & Pat: I've got some homework now!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 17:11:57 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.119)

Posted by:

bob wigo

And I REALLY mean it !


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Chuck Leavell

A relly terrific interview with Chuck Leavell from the June 2000 issue of "Gritz" magazine.

Enjoy !


Entered at Wed Jan 22 16:53:25 CET 2003 from h-68-164-13-3.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.13.3)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Runt

JTullfan, Todd started experimenting with horns and strings way before Hello It's Me (redux). When he was in Nazz, he used a small orchestra on If That's The Way You Feel from the first album and A Beautiful Song from Nazz Nazz. The original Hello It's Me--which I think is far superior to the hit--made wonderful use of vibes. The hit version used the Brecker Brothers on horns as I recall.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 16:45:25 CET 2003 from h-68-164-13-3.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.13.3)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Also, I for one haven't heard much about a Watkins Glen reissue ala the rest of the Capitol albums, with Rob Bowman notes improving on the Chris Morris material and the addition ofbonus tracks, perhaps even some performances from the actual show.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 16:42:04 CET 2003 from h-68-164-13-3.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.13.3)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Lee is quite right about Robertson being signed to Capitol in 1995, the year Watkins Glen came out. In fact, after the Geffen release of Storyville in 1991, Robertson's Music For The Native Americans came out on Capitol in 1994. Combine some other squirrelly things about the WG release, "Produced by The Band" for starters. Why is the group given credit for this release when Robertson produced everything else they did? "Produced for reissue by Wayne Watkins" when it is a first issue. As has been noted here if I recall corectly, Watkins is/was some kind of reissue producer at Capitol, having worked on the Beach Boys reissues. Chris Morris from Billboard also joined in the charade, but really what do you expect from a show business trade publication? Obviously someone spent some time editing Garth's thing and The Jam down to size, and someone inserted the thunderstorm sound effects. Someone also had to have a handle on the source tapes, which included two studio tracks and probably two different live shows--ROA and something else. Another strange one is Rick's positive comments about it. It also seems the sort of thing Levon would find easy to flail. So, although it seems obvious that RR was involved as a point man on it, I wonder whether the rest of them were at least privy to it and perhaps involved in some minor way.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 16:08:04 CET 2003 from ppp144.a1-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.146)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: London CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Bill...Lucifer!

Bill.....can I get in on you trivia question. What Lucifer song was released as a single. To my knowledge there were two:

1. Old Mother Nature

2.Blood Shot Eyes.

I introduced Old Mother Nature to Levon in 1977 in the hope he might record it. He really could have done it proud.

I still love Eugene's version and play it often.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

frank heatley

Amanda loved the article on Levon, thanks for the contribution...did,nt i tell you all before that Levon was a big Strother Martin fan.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 15:10:20 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Todd Rundgren

This is just off the cuff JTull, but could you be listening to a live CD? For several years, especially with Utopia, Todd worked with a guy named Kasim Sulton-who nows is Meat Loaf's Bassist and musical director-who sounded very much like Todd. Whenever Todd released album's as Utopia Todd and Kasim shared lead vocal duties. Just a thought.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 14:33:29 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Todd Rundgren

On the way into the office this morning I was playing Todd Rundgren's 'Hello It's Me' on one of my cd mixes, and noticed two things: A very different vocal than on 'Bang the Drum All Day'. Is either one really Todd or did his band use different vocalists. Band link: I also appreciated the Chicago-like horn production on Hello, It's Me, but got to thinking that since Rundgren worked with the Band on Stagefright, perhaps it was more of a Rock Of Ages influence. Any thoughts? PS: Bob and Amanda: loved th recent contributions under What's New too.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 13:22:13 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Amanda

Re - more - impressed, (i scroll the GB before consulting my e-mail box)

Amanda: Don't you see ?, every one here in the GB is waiting for your posts...there's some "empty holes" i can see between the posts (paraphrazing Neil Young)... One post por favor. I know the hard sensation we have just before posting, but once you post, you lose this sensation.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 13:14:49 CET 2003 from (195.193.67.178)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: polling booth
Web: My link

Subject: La Traviata and the chandeliers from Gone With The Wind

linked-DVD-page


Entered at Wed Jan 22 13:06:29 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: TNTDODD

Ed: Fantastic!...I'm really...impressed....and i never doubted of the usefulness of the GB...

Just one naive question: Which is exactely the connection between TNTDODD lyrics and the "Ballad of Jessie James", an old southern folk song ?, who knows? -:)

"Jessie James was a lad who killed many a man
And robbed the Danville train
But a dirty little coward that shot Mr Howard
Has lad poor Jessie in the grave..."

Mr Howard is the nickname of Jessie James, who has been killed in the back.

Btw... Who is exactely the Virgil Caine of the lyrics ?

Thanks in advance...


Entered at Wed Jan 22 12:17:04 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: Watkins Glen

Peter, I don't think Levon had anything to do with the release of Watkins Glen. Possibly Garth and Rick too. There was one ex-Band member signed to Capitol at the time though.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 12:03:23 CET 2003 from mcha-ab058.taconic.net (205.231.148.153)

Posted by:

Lil again

Jan: I still am unable to preview here. Is there a pill for that?


Entered at Wed Jan 22 12:01:38 CET 2003 from mcha-ab058.taconic.net (205.231.148.153)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: thsi and that

Bob Wigo: Wonderful photos! What a way to spend New Years Eve, hm? Thanks for sharing!

Amanda: Loved the article on Levon. Thanks for sending it to Jan.

Kay (hi!): Loved the Keith Richards story. Being someone with a bizarre sense of humor (I once, with a little help, put every piece of my neighbors backyard furniture on their _roof_ while they were out shopping :-) I can really appreciate something like that.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 09:08:15 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Wow..Giuseppe Garibaldi (L'eroe dei due mondi) mentioned in connection with The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down....I'm very impressed!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 09:02:17 CET 2003 from 1cust107.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.250.109.107)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Voci

Absolutely Ed!


Entered at Wed Jan 22 08:00:00 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Happy Birthday Robert E. Lee: " The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down " and A Reconsideration of the Most Famous Chorus in Rock & Roll

Rollie's recollecting of the January 19th birthday of Robert E. Lee prompted me to listen to and review the lyrics of TNTDODD which in turn lead me to the Viney piece about the song. I had never read the article before. If you haven't read it, you should. It's a varied collection of thoughtful comments, interpretations and opinions on the song from a wide range of people, including bits and pieces from RR and LH, interlaced with Viney's comments. It is very worthwhile (especially while playing the song in the background) and it provoked a question in my mind about the song's chorus and also gave me an idea. Contributors gave two interpreations of the song's familar chorus that has "the people" singing and bells ringing (also, either interpretation could be a metaphor or an actual occurrence). One interpretation is that "the people" are the defeated Southerners sounding the death knell and dirge of the doomed Confederacy; the other interpretation is "the people" cebebrating the victory up North. There is, though, a third possibility that I'll get to in a second.

TNTDODD is so powerfully beautiful, is so laden with images, and so succinctly captures the essence of a defining historical moment in American history that when I listened to the song this time around, my minds' eye staged it as...are you ready...an opera. Now, stop laughing for a moment and think about how the components of the song could be developed into distinct scenes with arias and duets about the themes and images present in the song sung by the obvious cast of characters: Virgil Caine (tenor), Mrs. Caine (soprano), the young brother Caine (tenor--in a flash back death scene), Gen. Lee (baritone), and Col. Stoneman (bass-baritone). If you think Allen Toussaint's horn arrangements were moving, imagine how a classical orchestra--retaining the appropriate brass parts of course--would lend itself to the passion of the instrumentals and fills.

That brings us to the composition of the chorus. One of the standard interpretations might have a chorus of worn, bedraggled and defeated Confederate soldiers trudging among suffering Southerners. The other interpretation would have a chorus of jubilant and victorious Union soldiers parading through the streets of Washington D.C. to cheering crowds. Obviously, in an opera, there would be room for both which may have been the intent of the song all along. However, what these interpretations overlook, are "the people" whom Virgil may very well have observed (or perhaps imagined) celebrating the end of the war with singing and church bells ringing: the freed slaves of the South . The presence of and a role for black Americans in the song (and the opera) would certainly bring a wholeness to the work(s). As the current interpretations of the song stand, there is no role or mention of a pivotal social group in the Civil War, namely, enslaved black Americans. The only other possible and veiled reference to freed slaves in the song (an interpretation not found in the Viney article) is that Virgil must chop his own wood because he no longer owns a slave to do it for him. He "don't mind" this work, but he would rather not have to do it. Viney argued that wood chopping was such an everyday chore for self-sufficiency, it would only be mentioned in the song if the wood chopping Virgil "don't mind" was the wood chopping which economic necessity forced him to do for sale to others. I find this a little awkward. Furthermore, if Virgil was begrudgingly aware of the lack of slave power for chopping his wood, it would stand to reason that "the people" whom he had on his mind and whom he may have observed joyfully celebrating that dreadful night were the freed slaves. There is no such direct connection between the chorus and selling wood to make a living. So, the freed slaves chorus scenario is more attractive to me because, as I said, it gives the song a wholeness. Without it, there is an improbable blindspot in the song.

If the freed slaves chorus doesn't fit the song--though I think it really does--it sure would fit what could be a great American opera. For sentimental reasons I would insist upon an opening scene, in Italian, in which the great Italian patriot, military stategist and abolitionist Giuseppe Garibaldi in 1861 refuses Lincoln's invitation for a Union army command because Lincoln would not commit to freeing the slaves.

Rollie, you'd like such a scene, right?

edwardvoci at aol.com


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Posted by:

Ed voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: David Powell; Bones; who at Capitol signed The Band and Frank Sinatra

Neither of the names you, D. Powell and Bones, mentioned (i.e. Dave Dexter Jr., Artie Mogull) jog my poor memory about the guy who signed both The Band and Frank Sinatra to Capitol. Unless someone posts a definitive answer in a few days, I'll try to dig into the New Yorker archives. Dave Powell, apply to law school immediately...you have a future in drafting either entertainment contracts or prenuptual agreements.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 05:16:39 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Pehr: You gotta send me a jpeg of your art, buddy... I'm at dlzuck at zucks.com... awesome Levon interview!!!!!!!!!... You are gonna have fun Yesterday's News... be prepared to get totally blown away by the Hudsons show... I'm still trying to finagle a way to get there myself but this job economy is killing me right now... never say never though... Wigo, beeutifull Bearsville pics!!! Really... I've been watching that Hubert video... and he is so freakin' awesome... made me put away my Dead fixation for a moment... and dig out that old Chess Box today... and listen to Hidden Charms, over and over again... and Smoke Stack Lightnin'... him then back to Pig Pen, doing it too... powerful stuff... it's gonna be zero tomorrow then 30 degrees F by the weekend... I'm looking at it as an omen... things warmin' up... take care you all...


Entered at Wed Jan 22 04:43:52 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Bob Wigo = fantastic pics - great job.

Amanda = thanks for the Levon interview. It's kind of sad to hear him talk about the last part of The Band, and the "uncollarorative" time. I like when he talks drums though - being a drummer myself. I enjoyed when he went into "rim shots" - I immediately thought of 'Chest Fever". I just love the way he snaps those rim shot's on that song, especially at the beginning, and right after Garth's solo section where it comes back to the basic progression. Man, Levon just punishes that snare rim. Dynamite.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 04:44:09 CET 2003 from adsl-65-67-147-37.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (65.67.147.37)

Posted by:

BERNIE

Location: Houston, Texas
Web: My link

Subject: PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN

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Entered at Wed Jan 22 03:44:33 CET 2003 from pcp02101159pcs.towson01.md.comcast.net (68.34.123.14)

Posted by:

Yesterday's News

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Woodstock visit

Hey all. Our band, Yesterday's News, is planning on a trip to Woodstock to see Garth & Maud on March 8th. We're wondering if anyone else is going to be there, and would like to meet up with us. Also, if we could get some info on the sites to see (the adress of Big Pink & such)that would be awesome. We just want to see the sites of Woodstock, where everything went down before we were even born. If any one has any information please give us an email at great1jg@aol.com Thanks, hope to see some of you in March.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 03:26:35 CET 2003 from m198214176091.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.91)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: photographs and memories...

Great interview Amanda! I really got a kick out of Levon's favorite movie, thats one of mine too but I never really thought about it. I saw that the first time at a friend's tenth birthday party a hundred years ago and still remember howlin' for a week!

The cigar box lid story makes me wanna go get a snare drum and a box of cigars right now.

Great photos Bob W. the one of you at Big Pink is priceless!

I had a art show tonight. I did a painting of a piano player that is of Garth but starts to look a little like Richard a little too. anyway it went over kind of big, though I dont think that art crowd know whats up with that. I'll take a picture soon and send it in see what you all think.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 02:55:49 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Location: rwigoataol.com

Subject: DP

Thanks David. I'm glad to share them knowing all the good folks here enjoy them.

It was an honor just to be in the same building with Hubert Sumlin. I was very pleased to hear the Stones had Mr. Sumlin join them last week at MSG. He knows just a little somethin' 'bout the blues. That's for certain.

Peace


Entered at Wed Jan 22 02:12:39 CET 2003 from dialin-1197-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.181)

Posted by:

Gene

sorry, 'Paris 1919'


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Posted by:

Gene

John Cale to The Band in 3:

1)'1919' album (1973), Lowell George, slide guitar

2)Lowell George produced John Starling, 'Long Time Gone' (1979); Emmylou Harris, vocals

3)Emmylou at TLW, 1976


Entered at Wed Jan 22 01:19:35 CET 2003 from adsl-63-203-121-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (63.203.121.193)

Posted by:

rockmcduck

Subject: The Band Rocks!!!

hey you guys!!!! this is Dani.....this site rock you guys...i grew up listening to groups like the band and have loved them ever since i was a little kid...i hadn't thought about them in years though, then today i was listening to the soundtrack to the TV show CSI, and the robbie robertson song "unbound" came on, and talk about a flashback...i know it is a newer, solo work, but still....it was nice...and now i am here, surfing the net for the band and robbie robertson stuff...i went by the soundtrack's website....ufanz.com/teams/csi...and a couple other site....but this one is really well done...i just thought i would tell you that......laters =)~


Entered at Wed Jan 22 00:28:52 CET 2003 from du-tele3-102.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.102)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Glitz interview

Thanks for putting this up, Amanda. New info about Garth and "The Right Stuff" OST. Levon singularly fails to spill the beans on Watkins Glen when he had the chance. As we've said before - after Pat's article- everyone has to be implicated in the scam. Good interview though.


Entered at Wed Jan 22 00:04:13 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Ladies and Gentlemen.... THE ROLLING STONES!

It's good to see the Stones can still rattle the cage of the good ol' Band GB. I feel blessed that I can enjoy the genius of The Band and The Stones equally. They are my two favorite rock ensembles. LONG LIVE ROCK!

"I watched with glee while your kings and queens fought for ten decades for the gods they made"


Entered at Tue Jan 21 23:43:20 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Hubert Sumlin

I loved those photos Bob. Looking at them, you can almost hear the sting of Hubert Sumlin's Strat. Reading Robert Gordon's bio of Muddy Waters recently, I was reminded that Mr. Sumlin at one point left Howlin' Wolf's band to tour very briefly with Muddy Waters. The Wolf soon persuaded him to return. Hubert Sumlin is the MAN -- that spells M--A--(chile)--N.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 23:40:45 CET 2003 from du-tele3-001.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.1)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Advice

Lars- have taken John Belushi's advice. Thank goodness only you and I know about it!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 23:07:52 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.228)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Speaking of "Veteran" Rockers

Two weeks ago a dear friend of mine ( and a damn fine guitarist ) caught up with one of Bill Haley's original Comets at a club in Bridgeport, Pa. Franny Beecher is now eighty two years old and continues to tour with the original band. They returned from Germany just prior to Christmas. Franny jammed with the house band at the Bridgeport Rib House and I'm told he rocked the house.

I wonder what Franny Beecher would have to say about being too old to rock and roll. Next time around I'm going to try to get there and take some photographs. Talk about being there from the very beginning. I would love to spend a few hours listening to those stories.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 22:59:20 CET 2003 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Bearsville

Great pix.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 22:14:20 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Ed Voci: Didn't Artie Mogull sign the Band to Capitol Records?

Robbie Robertson and Martin Scorsese won a Premiere Award last week for the Last Waltz DVD. Also, there were pictures in the press this week of Robbie with U2 at the Miramax party celebrating U2 and Scorsese's Golden Globe awards. You may be able to view them at wireimage.com.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 22:05:00 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

David P: You mention the Chairman of the Board. Did you mean the Chairmen of the Board, one of whose hits - all produced by Holland-Dozier-Holland - was "Chairman Of The Board"? That was the only hit sung by Harrison Kennedy, who'd briefly been in another HDH band, Lucifer, whose leader, Eugene Smith, has tons of Hawks/Band links.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 21:37:33 CET 2003 from (208.51.135.38)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: copyrights

PETER: Uh-huh. And you believed by signing that release to RR he was going to personally promote your record. Don't worry, I won't tell ANYBODY about this.

Listen, there's this book you should read, it's called "This Wheel's On Fire." RR wrote the Band's music, all right, but he doesn't usually share the glory. Forget about that lawyer business. In the words of the late John Belushi, "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily."


Entered at Tue Jan 21 21:20:02 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

The Band and The Stones and The Beatles, etc., etc., etc.

Location: Bensalem, Pa, etc.

Subject: Harry (writing) & Mim ("not guilty")

Friends & Citizens of the World (who can read English):

All these bands are different - "Allah loves wonderous variety." However, those three (and about ten or twenty others) are each great (and tragic) in their own sometimes interesting ways.

Sources and Influences - everyones got them, including musicians and composers. Ray Davies was pretty accurate about almost all rock composers stealing something from the greats that came before. The Stones DID have a lot of outside help (many names mentioned earlier, I'm sure Gram Parsons came up previously also), the Beatles some, but much less, and The Band most probably the least of almost any. "Outside help" does not necessarily put the particular group out of the box, however... Keith certainly owes A LOT to GP's (and Ry Cooder's influences) for various reasons, but he has carried the weight for what, forty years now, as well. The "bottom line" is that ALL ROCK MUSIC is derivative - that doesn't make it a bad thing.

Yes, Bob W., the Tower Wino's shows were both good. We loved the constant background of James Browns' music before one of them, speaking of influences. And the '94 shows at Veterans' stadium were incendiary. Two songs played before one of them seemed to say something about the Jagger/Richards influences - Princes' "Sexy M-F'er" and then Hank Williams "Your Cheatin' Heart" back to back.

Are the Band better because of less help (interference?) during their recording career? Who can say who is better or worse when getting into the "giants of rock" category? The tremendous choice of great listening pleasure (when you are lucky enough to find it) keeps life everlastingly amusing.

Everyone of 'em was born out of many other rivers/streams of musical and other inspiration. The link I am intrigued by in the end of the 20th century is the return to the blues/country base of music as (not so much a trend), but a recognition of where all this great stuff came from. (I won't "name check" for you, Van Morrison has done that pretty encyclopedically already).

Cigarettes on stage at MSG - ha. Bloomberg should smoke a "dirty" one with Keith and Ron to REALLY get the idea. Too much time spent looking at that "blooming" monitor, Mr. Mayor, has gotten under your skin... But "I Love New York", we really do.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 21:08:49 CET 2003 from ti521110a080-0211.bb.online.no (80.213.50.211)

Posted by:

GTA3

Location: GTA3
Web: My link

Subject: GTA3

tesy


Entered at Tue Jan 21 21:01:35 CET 2003 from du-tele3-007.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.7)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The real Jethro Tull

… is an example of the Anglocentric world view we had in late 50s Britain in our classrooms festooned with maps which were mainly pink to indicate the Empire. Jethro Tull – Agricultural revolution. It was fixed in our brains as a Great British Innovation, like Newton discovering that apples fall from trees which no one had noticed before, and James Watt discovering that boiling kettles produce steam, and Stephenson's Rocket (a train, quite possibly the first train), and was a memorable fact because the name stuck out - he is the only one of six or seven founders of the Agricultural revolution that I recall. I thought it was therefore a clever choice. They must have played up to it - judging by early album sleeves though!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 20:47:45 CET 2003 from 1cust57.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.57)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: NYE Photos

Recommend checking photos from NYE at Bearsville in the "What's New?"

Nice work BW!!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 20:43:08 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Woodlark mentioned Doug Sahm and travel, so I think I'll say that I recently picked up the excellent Texas Tornadoes CD - Doug and Augie from Sir Doug, Flaco Jimenez, Freddy Fender and Louis Ortega from the estimable Louie and the Lovers. I came close to seeing Doug once, when the Formerly Brothers came to town, but it turned out that he'd dropped out of the tour early on (though Amos Garrett and Gene Taylor were in fine form). I did see Flaco Jimenez at Harbourfront though, and he was terrific. While his music went over well with the middle-class audience there, he seemed puzzled that his beerfart jokes didn't. Later I found out that a colleague's husband "kidnapped" Flaco after the show and took him to jam with whoever was playing at super-scuzzy Grossman's Tavern - where both his music and his jokes were well received. As for Freddy Fender, I actually came to enjoy some of his music during long drives with truckers while hitchhiking through the Australian outback.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Ed Voci: Was it Dave Dexter, Jr.?

Imaginary contract rider:

Party of the first part, the Recording Label, hereby guarantees that the party of the second part, the Recording Artist(s), shall receive, in addition to certain monetary innumeration, the continued performances of a certain unspecified nature by certain unnamed third parties. Party of the first part does not guarantee the quality of the performances, but promises only that the quantity shall be equal to, or greater than, that currently received by the recording label's leading recording artist, a/k/a The Chairman of the Board.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 20:12:34 CET 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Subject: Keith Richards story

Roger Tillison likes to tell about the time years ago when Bobby Keys took him up to the Stones' suite at some LA hotel. Mick, supposedly on his first acid trip, was curled up in a chair giggling to himself when Keith came running in, said hello then excused himself to wash his hands, which were covered in ketchup.

When he got back and Roger asked him what was going on, he said Truman Capote's room was at the end of the hall and he had been putting bloody handprints on his door. Guess ya gotta use your imagination to stay amused on the road....


Entered at Tue Jan 21 20:04:55 CET 2003 from 46.ppp139.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.139.46)

Posted by:

Woodlark (again)

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Times Like These

To have a Band connection in my latest post... travelling on the boat I listened in my lonely cabin to the great postume album of my all time favorite Band member RICK DANKO: "Times Like These".
Footnote: The boat I am talking about in this message is the same boat mentioned in DOUG SHAM's "Live Your Life In Scandinavian Way". It goes like this: "Take a real slow boat to Helsinki Town..."


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Posted by:

pehr

Bayou sam: thanks for the kind word!

apples and oranges again for breakfast


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: keith/levon anecdote

Enjoyed reading all the Keith posts.May i commend to you guys the newly updated Keith biography by Victor Bockris.Its fantastic,a must for Keith fans. There's a hilarious anecdote towards the end involving Keith,Levon,Scotty Moore,DJ Fontana and wait for it,a catheter bag. Honest to God, the book is unputdownable and a million times better than the recent Stephen Davis effort. Bockris's other tomes are good too. The John Cale bio.is another fav. of mine. Have a good night everyone. Rich.


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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Jethro Tull

Reminiscences from the late sixties: - My friend the organ player was far too good to play in our humble blues band. He toured with his band in other Nordic Countries, especially in Sweden. One time when they returned from a gig back to Finland they met Jethro Tull in the same boat cruising from Sweden to Finland. He had many stories of the wild party night on this cruiser together with another rock band (=Jethro Tull). I was so J-E-A-L-O-U-S! Last night I made the same trip on a boat between Finland and Sweden and remembered his stories. Those were the days, my friend... those were the days...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Band and (Guilt By) The Association

Hey Pat: I have to admit to owning an album or two by the Association and I listened to both their live and studio versions of "Life is a Carnival" that you posted. I even heard the current touring version of the group perform "The Weight" at a benefit concert for Baltimore firefighters last year. I've heard much worse versions, so I guess you could say I find some of their music a "guilty pleasure" as well. They usually showed good taste in their material. At least I haven't stooped to the Three Dog Night version of "Chest Fever" since this tall, busty blonde played it for me in her basement in high school...


Entered at Tue Jan 21 18:37:06 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Capitol Records

Speaking of Capitol Records, I read in the New Yorker a couple of years ago that the same guy who signed Frank Sinatra to Capitol also signed The Band, but I can't remember his name. Who was it? (This is significant not only for history's sake, but because, if you'll recall, Ronnie promised RR that he'd get more p%$@y than FS and I wanna know if this was contractual. :-) )


Entered at Tue Jan 21 18:32:54 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The real Jethro Tull

Yes, the real JTull invented the seed drill back in 1700-something. Ian and the other band members hate the name to this day. Back in '67, they were known as the John Evan Smash, but weren't good enough to get many rebookings, so to confuse promoters they would frequently switch names in order to get booked. The night they finally clicked with an audience, they went on as Jethro Tull. The band usually did not even know their name when they would show up at a club, and assume that whatever band they did not recognize was them! So, there first significant show they were known as 'Jethro Tull', and it stuck. It could have been worse; the week prior they were 'Candy Colored Rain'.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 18:33:18 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Agriculture - Music connection

Charlie, Bill, thanks for the informations. Never got before the chance to say: I love your posts.

One (merely poetic) sentence fixed in my brain. I read by the past in some Rick's biography (i dont remember the author):
"He jumprd out of the familly's farmer engine, took his bass, and went directly to Memphis (or Nashville)


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: A Special day in Band lore

Jan 19th marked the birthday of this promnent figure in Band lore, Robert E Lee. Check out the link.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 18:21:35 CET 2003 from (64.208.176.142)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: "That Train Can Wait"

PETER: I think you should know that the song you were just talking about in your last post was performed by The Stones on HBO this past weekend. They opened with it. It was a cover of "That Train Can Wait" and JR Robertson's got the rights to it.

Crunch time this Sat. because on Sat, 1/25 people will have to choose between the JWB at The Towne Crier (Pawling, 855- 1300) or Prof. Louie & The Crowmatix at The Turning Point (Piermont, 359-1089) or Jimmy Eppard at The Georgetown Saloon (Georgetown is roughly 30 min. south of Danbury, CT), (203) -544-8003. Good luck.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 18:15:20 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Cripple Creek

Subject: Onstage Antics

That story about Mayor Bloomberg wanting to stick it to the Stones for smoking ciggies on stage at Madison Square Garden really is pretty funny. Concerts are theatrical experiences and--like Broadway shows--should get some slack just like theatrical performances. I don't think Bloomberg sends in the cops to bust the trendy shows that sometimes feature nudity, for example. I remember seeing Delbert McClinton snorting coke onstage at a show 20 years ago or so and I imagine that members of The Band might have broken a local ordinance or two while playing gigs back in the old days. Sending New York's finest after Keith Richards and his cigarette and then having the cops just stand there and watch is nothing short of comical. It sounds like the NYC police are a lot smarter than their mayor.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 17:53:32 CET 2003 from (63.65.190.196)

Posted by:

Knocking Lost John

Location: INDIANA, the HOOSIER state, but I don't know what a Hoosier is.

Subject: GB/ WEBSITE

Jan, let the record show that I am behaving myself; please do not shut down this site. Butch and I disagreed a while back and I behaved badly and Jan blocked me from posting here (which I still can't post here from home, by the way). So, it wasn't worth it, and it was all probably just silly anyway. I LOVE the BAND and their music, and that's what counts. My advice, stay away from discussing politics and such in here. And if somebody posts something you don't like, just ignore it. Besides the printed word can lead to many misunderstandings. That's my two-cents worth. Adios


Entered at Tue Jan 21 17:42:27 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Pat B: You're surprised that nobody picked up on something that would seem to be of real interest to a Band fan? How long have you been coming here?

The real Jethro Tull played on no records - though he did invent an agricultural implement. I wonder if he's one of Dylan's ploughmen?


Entered at Tue Jan 21 17:15:57 CET 2003 from du-tele3-157.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.157)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Stones You Throw

Around the time of “Country Honk”- and there are others – The Stones got pretty Band like in a Rag Mama Rag sort of way and they also have that looseness which sounds rock & roll, but I do find Mick Jagger obnoxious as a person. He comes across as a fake, whether it’s the aquired ‘mockney’ (mock cockney) accent which shocked his parents, or the acquired habit of addressing American audiences as ‘Y’all’ (they don’t say y’all in Essex and I find it kind of patronizing). But what’s the difference between being a fake an an actor? And even I have to admit he’s a brilliant actor and performer. And he’s one of the most convincing white boys singing the blues, except that he tends to over-play it (according to the recent biography, most major blues artists professed to admire him – and so would I if he’d record a composition by me *). Notwithstanding my gripes, their recent remasters have reawakened my liking for the group (especially Keef, but then again you’re supposed to like Keef). They made sloppiness into an art form, and have cleverly wrapped a tight professional stage band around it. But Pat is by no means the first musician I’ve heard complaining about the way it’s done and the inherent musical qualities. And a lot of people simply don’t like them. Keef claims to have “just found” various tunings for himself, but Ry Cooder has pointed to the hours of him playing that Keef taped and studied circa Let it Bleed. The post-Ry Keef plays differently to the pre-Ry Keef, that’s for sure. You’re back to the difference between “research” and “copying”. But Keef is one of a group of astounding rhythm guitarists – Keef, Lou Reed, John Fogerty and John Lennon. * If Mick ever reads this, my original song “Gonna meet you at the depot, throw you under that rollin’ train, you stuck-up cow, then I’m gonna screw you right there on the track with the red light shinin’ in our eyes” is now available, and I’ll go halves on the publishing too. Do you think the title might be too long?


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Black rainbow, green, orange & the brown album:

Capitol Records switched from their black "rainbow" label to a green label in 1969, the year the "brown album" was released. The switch, however, was phased-in and different pressing plants made the change earlier than others, presumably to use up what supplies they had on hand before changing. The result, with regards to the "brown album", is that some first pressings had the black rainbow label, while others had the green label. The copy that I purchased here in Georgia when it was first released had the black rainbow label.

Capitol later switched from the green label to an orange one. While the black rainbow label seems to be rarer, early green label pressings sound the same -- that is great! While all this may seem arcane to many, the early pressings are the best because the original master tape of the two-channel mix is no longer available. Hence, all CD versions of the album have been mastered from later generation copies. The original studio multi-track masters are evidently still available, but who could reproduce & nail that original mix again?


Entered at Tue Jan 21 16:59:53 CET 2003 from 1cust224.tnt2.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.201.37.224)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Old Smoking Stones and the Real Jethro Tull...

Bob Wigo: I thought of Keith Richards fighting with his hero, Chuck Berry, in "Hail, Hail Rock'n'Roll" during the discussion here recently. I think that flick was influenced by "The Last Waltz" in many ways and contains countless great moments--many of them thanks to Mr. Richards. Please tell me that the DVD is coming with bonus material!

Empty Now: I think that JTull Fan was talking about the namesake for the band Jethro Tull in a joking manner. I think he had been dead for 150 years or so when that band was formed (wasn't he the inventor of some sort of seed implanting machine for farmers, JTull?).

Lil: I saw that story in the paper this morning about New York's former pot-head mayor trying to bust the Stones for smoking cigarettes onstage at Madison Square Garden and found it hilarious. When that band is onstage it becomes their space, their property (anyone who saw the IMAX movie shot on a Stones tour a few years ago knows the ambience of being onstage with the Rolling Stones). But anyway, shouldn't politicians have more significant problems to worry about these days--especially the mayor of a city on the verge of bankruptcy?


Entered at Tue Jan 21 16:53:35 CET 2003 from h-68-164-12-1.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.12.1)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, like I said last time, since there's no way it would happen, why comment on it? As per Mick Jagger, to me he looked like an elderly cheerleader. Comparing what he did with the performance of his female backup singer is instructive. I don't know Jagger so I couldn't have any personal feelings about him. As far as being more respected around the world than the Beatles, I would disagree. Strongly. If you want a barometer of their relative popularity, compare the sales of their recent greatest hits packages.

You know, it's kind of funny that one component of the reaction to criticism of the Rolling Stones is that there must be some sinister motive involved: Jagger stole my girl, my private parts don't recognize good music, etc. The simple fact is I don't like them. The fact that they're popular means nothing to me, in the same way that the fact that the Band weren't that popular also means nothing to me. I've said that their rhythm section is great, and Keith has come up with many nice guitar licks, so it's not a blanket rip.

BTW, Hank is a friend, and an Irishman, and this is how we talk.

I'm quite bummed that no one is glowing over the Association's version of Life Is A Carnival. I think that's as important as the Stones thread.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 16:21:02 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.40)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: while it's music

Jtull fan : do you mean that all what i heard in Jethro Tull albums is not performed by Jethro Tull ? I’m feeling “cuckold”

Hank: I am with Mr Pat, I cant be objective, but I want to provide an objective argument in your favour. There is a TV document “20th birthday of Rolling Stones Magazine”. I don’t find its video tape in this site, it might be available for two reasons. First, the document is an exhaustive encyclopaedia (with entire songs) of all what rock music was in the 60-80’s. Second, it is commented by Robbie Robertson. I suggest you to watch this domcument and listen what RR himself said when asked about the name of the magazine. Perhaps you will win definitively…find this video, or is it “easier said than done” that’s your (nice) song.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 15:24:12 CET 2003 from jed21.revealed.net (208.23.178.116)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Sam

Hey Sam, did you get my list via email? I assume you have been busy. I just wanted to make sure it came through.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 15:23:09 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.228)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Good Rock Shows

I hope everyone enjoys the photographs from the New Year's Eve show at the Bearsville Theater. Sorry for the delay. I'm struggling a bit with "Photoshop" as my "copy" was not accompanied by an instruction manual. Anyone know a source for some good instruction on that program?

Since Keith has been a topic of conversation of late I was reminded of a couple of shows he did at the Tower Theater in the early nineties with his band "The X-Pensive Winos". Anyone here ever catch them? They were a great rock band that really cut right to the core of the matter. Keith played and sang with tons of heart during those shows. I certainly hope he gives that band another shot some time in the future.

I was also reminded of a great rock film entitled "Hail, Hail Rock and Roll". Keith Richards goes about assembling a world class rock and roll band for Chuck Berry. The result is wonderful and the commentary along the way is really entertaining. If you haven't seen it you may want to check it out. It's a lot of fun.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 15:12:52 CET 2003 from jed21.revealed.net (208.23.178.116)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Stones

This whole debate about The Stones is not tripe as someone posted earlier. I have never been much of a fan of The Stones. That's due to my belief that they are a better in the studio than onstage. I am of the opinion that a great band is one that is in it's "element" onstage. Mind you, that's just my opinion. They're a better studio band. I do love the 60's stuff though. So, I do like them. And Mr. Brennan is certainly entitled to his opinion. And I agree with him, to an extent. There are lots of different opinions here, which keeps it interesting. Though I do wonder who Mr. Brennan compares The Stones to, if any band? (or maybe he doesn't). Comparing The Stones to The Band (for example) is inevitable in this place. The Band were always a self-contained unit (occasionally a friend or two joined in). The Stones always had outside help such as Nicky Hopkins, Al Kooper, Ry Cooder, Bobby Keys, Billy Preston, Ian McLagan, Chuck Leavell, Blondie Chaplin, etc...If nothing else, they had some great outside help. I also can't help but remember 6th Stone Ian Stewart. In short, The Stones aren't my favorite but I agree with Brennan. Lay off the guy a little :) He's entitled to his opinion.

"There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree". Oh no, now I got that song in my head :(

Mike


Entered at Tue Jan 21 14:37:15 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Band names

I heard also, don't know if it's true, that the real Jethro Tull never played on ANY f their albums, and never received even a cent of profit!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 14:29:38 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Bob Wigo: Nice pics!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 14:20:27 CET 2003 from dialup125-b.ts552.cwt.esat.net (193.203.157.125)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Your mouth don't move...I can't hear you speak

Hmmmmnnnn..........the old "Pat Brennan versus The Rolling Stones" debate rears its pointed little head again.........

Pat, come clean.....did Mick Jagger run off with an old girlfriend of yours once?

Tell the truth, now.......because your recent sarky post about Jagger "waving at a jet from an aircraft carrier" seems to betray an intense dislike of Mick Jagger as opposed to The Stones themselves..........

The Rolling Stones are respected as songwriters, recording and performing artists all over the world in a way that not even The Beatles are.......The Stones got to the root of it in the same way The Band got into it.......As a band, The Band would have an edge on The Stones but my guess is that the Stones would be the FIRST people to admit this and would have been envious of The Band/Hawks first-hand exposure to the birth of rock'n'roll.........

......and once again.........I'm not sure if I got a straight answer the last time.....

( ha ha The Last Time! Geddit?)........

Would you, Pat Brennan, perform with The Rolling Stones if you got the call and the same financial renumeration as Chuck Leavall? Yea or nay, sir?


Entered at Tue Jan 21 13:44:37 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.103)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Which is called a band

Peter: (for the 2nd time today) very interesiting debate about what do we call a band or a group. I am foccusing on the meanning content of the name of the group
One example that has always intringated me, is “The Alan Parsons Project”, one very respectable group in the musical quality sense, which follows the name of the Sound Engineer. I own two albums, “Pyramid” (1981) and “Vulture Culture” (1986) the name of Alan Parsons (who worked for long with The Beatles) as a leader of the group (APP) appears nowhere in the songs performance, neither as composer, nor as instrument player, nor as singer, etc.... -):.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 12:42:02 CET 2003 from mcha-ai157.taconic.net (205.231.28.157)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Big Brother is watching

Somewhat music related...and I found it interesting (From the Village Voice).

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN JAN 19, 2003 10:35:25 ET XXXXX

NEW YORK CITY MAYOR FUMED OVER 'SMOKING' ON STAGE AT STONES CONCERT

**Exclusive**

New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg is fuming mad over Rolling Stones members smoking on stage at Madison Square Garden during an nationally televised concert this weekend, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The mayor sent cops to issue summonses," one stage source told the DRUDGE REPORT late Saturday. "But the cops watched the show, off stage, by a monitor, instead of stopping the concert."

MORE

HBO cameras captured band members Keith Richards and Ron Wood smoking cigarettes while performing.

"The band raced out of the Garden after they finished their last number, avoiding the police," an insider said. "The music had not even finished playing; and they were in cars already, spinning away. They did not even go to their dressing rooms!"

Madison Square Garden regulations state: there is no smoking permitted. "This policy is strictly enforced. Violation of this regulation is grounds for ejection."

In December, ex-smoker Mayor Michael Bloomberg signed a strict smoking ban in New York City.

Bloomberg is also trying to get smoking banned in Central Park.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 11:44:08 CET 2003 from du-tele3-020.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.20)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Are all bands arbitary?

A question we’ve debated before. What is a ‘group’ or ‘band’? The best answer is the musicians who are named and pictured on the cover as the group and who are probably shareholders in the company that owns the name. The Beatles created the concept of the group, but even they had people on sessions – starting with Alan White, then George Martin often played a twiddle here or there, before Eric Clapton and Billy Preston (and string sections and French horn players and orchestras …). The Monkees fictionalized the process while only Dolenz actually performed on Last Train to Clarksville. The Stones was always an arbitary concept, from the day they decided their keyboard player was too plain to appear on the LP sleeves in early 1963. They have always had an uncredited keyboard player on stage (well, behind the curtain in the early days), long before they added horns and backing singers. Ronnie Wood was effectively a session man on a salary for over TWENTY years before he “joined”. Bill Wyman, though a member, was absent for bass duties on about half the tracks they cut while he was officially “bass guitarist”. The Who have had a “non-member” keyboard player on stage for years.

The Band – except for a little from Billy Mundi and Larry Packer – was one of the most contained groups of all on record, but (when they could afford it) added a horn section. One of the disturbing things about “Jubilation” was the lack of a cohesive “Band” at its core. They hardly ever all played on a track. But most albums are actually like that!


Entered at Tue Jan 21 11:24:31 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.1)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: taking a breath

Peter: Aaaah! Radio days....

Jan: thanks for the archive reference, unfortunately i didnt found enough clues to identify my last friend. My investigations reminded me once again one quote from "The Blues Brothers": -Are you the police ? - No we are the musicians.

Very funny quotes from Bono and Garfunkel, Ooooof! it's time to take a breath with good and real humour...

by the same occasion....in "Manhattan", a dialogue between Woody Allen and Matt Murphy:
WA: - My first wife left me for an other woman
MM: - Why that?
WA: - She said i'm not enough funny, she needed to laugh sometimes. And she likes the ski, I'm not a good skier
MM: - Is she happy now?
WA: - Of course, she's somewhere having spirit in laughing while skiing

Last but not least, James Brown interviewed about Michal Jackson (in 1984!!!):
"in concert at only 300 miles from mine, he's mad"


Entered at Tue Jan 21 05:21:06 CET 2003 from 1cust252.tnt1.hackensack.nj.da.uu.net (67.235.133.252)

Posted by:

Ray G.

Subject: Bayou Sam... Stig O'Hara

...and wasn't Ricky Fataar the guy who played Stig O'Hara (George) in The Rutles? Yes he was!!! Funny movie, right up there with "This is Spinal Tap"! My favorite character in the Rutles movie was John Belushi as Ron Decline (Allen Klien).

Peace


Entered at Tue Jan 21 05:03:35 CET 2003 from dialup-67.28.25.224.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.25.224)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I must say when I saw the original Jeff Beck Group at the old Kinetic Playground (btw, it was a good rock show), Ron Wood was very impressive on bass. And Nicky Hopkins was umbelievable. Jeff Beck? Now, there's a guitarist.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 05:00:00 CET 2003 from dialup-67.28.25.224.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.25.224)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Harry and/or Mim, at least you almost paraphrased me right. But if you think Keith Richard is up at Dr. John's level of rhythmic complexity, you are drinking bad water.

Uhh, "The Great Bob Dylan," I feel confident enough in my experiences and opinions to sign my own name. Be that as it may, you might notice that this is a Band website. I'm here because I love the Band. I'm going to guess that most everyone else is here for much the same reason. It's not a Rolling Stones website, which means there may be some people here who find the Stones less than scintillating. Don't be alarmed. It's okay, it really is. And, just between you and me--everyone else turn away for a second--okay, just between you and me, I've seen a couple of really good rock shows.

Stanley, in the Robertson songbook, there is mention that US came out of some retuning experiments Robertson was investigating. I believe Robertson actually references it in some interview. Unfortunately, the writer does not explicate the retuning. The book is at my office and I'll post the exact reference--no paraphrasing here.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 04:29:30 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: Keef

If you ever read an interview with Keith Richards in a musician magazine, like Guitar Player, you'll see beyond the image and the slurred words. Keef is a top shelf player of the guitar who knows what he's doing. I don't think anyone plays such a great mix of rhythm and lead. He has a grasp of the guitar that nobody seems to have in quite the same way. I have seen it written that when the band is onstage Keith is also running the show. he's the guy they look to during a concert.

I also love the fact that he always acknowledges Charlie - and well he should.

Bob W = I have to disagree with you about Woody. He seems to be a perfect fit with Keef. They work well together. Jeff beck (who I love) is too strong a guitar presence. He'd clash with Keith and it wouldn't work - IMHO anyway.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 02:21:11 CET 2003 from dial2a-208.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.208)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Hubert Sumlin on wfmu.org

The show's over but they archive everything so you can hear the whole thing if interested in about a week ....


Entered at Tue Jan 21 02:00:58 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: PB

I do consider Pat a friend and we have exchanged numerous emails in follow up to some of our public debates. We have, most times, been able to arrive at something resembling an agreement or simply agree to disagree and move on. I appreciate that comment Pat. I certainly respect your opinion and your appreciation for the fact that a poke in the ribs does not automatically equate to a punch in the nose.

Regarding Chuck Leavell..he is, no doubt, a musician of the highest order and certainly deserves to be well compensated for his enormous contribution to the Stones or any other project in which he takes part. His work with the Allman Bros. would have been statement enough for me. I've seen and heard him on several occasions with ABB and now with the Stones and he has become an integral component of their live sound.

Pat, I really would like to hear your take on Keith Richards as a rhythm guitarist. I really believe he is one of the very best at his craft and, beyond that, truly connected to the very soul of rock and roll. I believe the affectations of the band members can, at times, distract the listener but I can't say I have ever been anything other than knocked over by a live Stones performance. I too saw that tour with Stevie Wonder and it was a marvelous show. Stevie was incredible but the Stones blistered the Spectrum here in Philly on that hot summer afternoon. Ah, the forgotten days of the matinee !

P.S. I still vote to can Woody and get Jeff Beck in there for one last go'round.


Entered at Tue Jan 21 01:57:18 CET 2003 from dial2a-23.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.23)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Hubert Sumlin

Hubert Sumlin is live on WFMU.org right now playing acoustic......


Entered at Tue Jan 21 01:55:07 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

Stanley Landau

Subject: Unfaithful Servant

Pat Brennan, I’m curious about your comment that Robertson wrote US on an alt tuned guitar. I can hear why you'd say that, but I think I can play a reasonable facsimile of the chords with regular tuning. Moreover, having seen Robertson play the song live more than once, I don’t recall ever seeing him change guitars or retuning before playing the song. I’m also pretty sure that he’s playing a regularly tuned guitar for the solo near the end of the song. Incidentally, when Rick Danko played the song on guitar during his solo performances, was he playing the same chords as on the original recording or some kind of variation? (e.g. on the Classic Album video).


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: Keith Richards Musical Ability

Folks:

Can't recall the poster who seemed to think that "Keith Richards is not one of the three (?) people in the Rolling Stones with any musical ability" (paraphrasing heavily here), but we must beg to differ.

Mr. Richards is one of a select few guitar players who has a real, complete "handle" on the value of rhythm to rock music. (Mr. Robertson is not too shabby in this area either). And, as a songwriter, for about a 5 year period, Richards contributed tunes that literally "define" it ("it" being great rock & roll).

He plays in a primarily rhythmic style, with leads strongly rooted in the "base" of rock music (Rhythm, for those of you not following...) Pete Townshend has a similar, though obviously different, technique (probably owing to the fact that he was the single guitarist playing in concert for his band - but who really knows, anyway. Pete could possibly analyze his style for us; however, we must believe that he's got other things on his mind these days.)

The MSG concert had an excellent, well thought out set list and the group is playing as well as any time in their long, impressive career. They have never failed to rise to the occasion when put on the spot with millions of people "in attendance." (And as for Chuck Leavell (? spelling), he deserves every penny he is paid for his contributions.)

For a period of time, Mr. Richards would simply place a framed photo of Charlie Watts in front of him at a press conference (photo facing outward), letting that do his talking for him as far as what he believed made (in large part) The Rolling Stones what they are. Every show, Richards will face Watts, nodding his head, rocking back and forth, goading both of them (and the rest of the band)on to higher and higher heights of musical bliss.

"Keith Richards ain't a musician" - well "I'll be John Brown". Uuuhhhmmm, for those requiring a justification for this post on this GB - Levon Helm. We think there may be a mutual admiration of each ones' musical talents and appreciation of the importance of rhythm to great playing.

"she gimme a dirty look, and my hair fell out"

Dr. John (aka Mac Rebennack) - "I Been Hoodood" - my god, another fella who understands the importance of rhythm to good music - I think we must be onto something here, folks


Entered at Tue Jan 21 01:08:24 CET 2003 from bose-cp.bose.com (4.19.252.130)

Posted by:

The Great Bob Dylan

Subject: The Stones

The debate about Chuck Leavell is tripe. He was clearly in his glory ripping it up with the World's Greatest Rock And Roll Band in NYC on Saturday. I get the feeling that Patrick Brennan wouldn't know a good rock show if it were in his pants, but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 23:55:22 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Australian Band music; Wigo/Brennan; Viney/car

How do I get a copy of the Australian stuff?

Wigo/Brennan: I don't believe for a minute that you two are friends; you're much too nice to one another.

Viney: get a model that has music controls in the steering wheel; it's safer and you avoid sharing/losing control with the significant other in the passenger seat.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 23:40:19 CET 2003 from spider-mtc-tb062.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.47)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Peter V:

You have a 95% chance of getting a cd player in your rental car; you may even be able to confirm this at the rental counter, as I often do on business trips.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 23:29:45 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Peter V: In my recent experience you'd best assume you'll have no tape deck. But you will have a CD player and a radio that you will not want to use while driving. The radio will have a feature called Scan that will meander up and down the dial, stopping - or not - as it sees fit. But it 'll be so damned small (so that it and all its many puzzling friends can fit together on the console) that you will find it too dangerous to try to use anyway - particularly when using the hand you don't usually use. And then there's the joy of flipping from FM to AM, which entails hitting AM, then having the tuner go to the FM station at the end of the dial, then hitting AM again.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 23:23:12 CET 2003 from h-68-164-224-97.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.224.97)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Well, Bob, if you think that Garth's history with The Band somehow coincides with Chuck Leavell's employment resume with the Stones, I'm not going to argue. However, in reference to those "intricate" things I like so much, Robertson wrote Unfaithful Servant on an alt-tuned guitar, so i just can't say how much Garth influenced him in this particular case. Since Robertson's playing shows incredible development from the early days (when The Hawks were basically a blues/RnB band) to The Brown Album (where US first appeared), I'd say he was setting his own pace. I certainly wouldn't discount Garth's presence as a paradigm of what a musician can become with hard work, but Garth remains that for anyone with ears, including his bandmates.

Anyway, it's the group's interaction at that point that I love, not any particular thing one of them is doing.

After viewing a decent portion of the HBO, I have no trouble with my opinion concerning the musicianship in the group. Of course, having watched Stevie Wonder blow them off the stage in Chicago in the early 70's--at what was supposedly the groups' peak--I am not objective on the subject. Keith has indeed come up with many fine guitar licks, but I only have to look at my library and see one Stones album (First pressing of Sticky Fingers, mostly because it's a collectible) to know that they just don't say much to me.

Yes, my mind slipped up on a piece of trivia. Luckily I hired someone to go back in the GB archives, figure out what happened, and set me straight. And, again, if you think there is some connection between these two occurances, that being the Stones a) inability to remember songs they recorded, b) their relying on their piano player to find the songs, chart them, and teach them to the principals, and c) my forgetting a post I made, well, there's not much I can say otherwise.

Besides being one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, Chuck is an in-demand guy. People hire him to play, whether on records or live, and he gets paid absolutely top dollar for his services, deservedly so. What he thinks of his employers is probably tempered by this, but I really don't know what his real feelings are. I'm sure he loves the gig. Any working stiff would. I do know that when he put his own thing together, it didn't sound anything like The Stones. And I know from my own personal experience that the projects he considers getting involved with from a production standpoint are miles away from The Stones.

BTW, Bob Wigo is a friend, and this is how we talk.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 23:04:28 CET 2003 from du-tele3-048.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.48)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: A peripheral question …

May I ask an only vaguely Band-related question? Today I was booking a hire car for California for June. Over dinner, I was saying I'd have to take a couple of good compilations for the road (Band, Van) and I remembered the last time I rented a car in California about 7 or 8 years ago. To my horror it had a radio but no cassette player. We had kids with us and a stack of story tapes. They said that due to litigation from someone who broke a precious cassette in a car, they no longer put tape players in rental cars (recalling the McDonald's coffee incident). Is that still true? Or do they have CDs instead? No hurry. I've got five months! (This one's Alamo - don't think it was last time). Band relation is that I'll be playing The Band! Also, if driving in California at that time, look out for me on the wrong side of the road.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 22:48:15 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.207)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: PB

Which brings me to this question.....how many of those musical intricacies were Robbie, Rick, Levon and Richard working on before Garth came onboard? All of the evidence clearly says "none". I said the same thing back in September that I say now. If, stylistically, the Stones were pursuing musical ideas that required the intricate arrangements which you admire so much they could have easily added the appropriate personnel to take them in that direction. They are essentially a blues band.

For the record, in my opinion Keith Richards is unquestionably one of the greatest rhythm guitarists in the history of the genre. How on earth could you exclude him from your "real musicians" ?

I can understand their need to have their memories refreshed. We had a guy right here who posted his own website as a reference for everyone and, a few short months later, couldn't recall doing it. Am I making this up ?

You can't have it both ways Patrick. I don't believe a musician of Chuck Leavell's stature would have dedicated all the time he has given to The Stones if he didn't feel the caliber of players measured up. Bobby Keys, a pretty damn good musician by all accounts, has also been a staple for decades. Are these guys there solely for the cash or is there something to the music ?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 22:37:22 CET 2003 from (193.113.57.165)

Posted by:

Billy Bob Thortons love child with angelina Jolie

Location: The world

Subject: Bandying around

Whiplash whisky bourbon beard, Give me another I feel weird, Is one of the Bands less famous lines.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 22:04:04 CET 2003 from h-68-164-224-97.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.224.97)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Well, Bob, from what I understand, Chuck has been very busy teaching the other members of the group how their early songs go, but Unfaithful Servant would still be way beyond the group's ability. I'm sure we're all aware that for this tour the venerable group has supposedly dipped into their songbook rather than play Start Me Up again. Problem was they couldn't remember any of the old songs they wanted to do so they asked Chuck (who along with Munch and Charlie Watts is one of the three real musicians in the band) to go back to the old records, chart the songs out, and teach them to the old rascals. What, I'm making this up? Hardly. It's from an interview with Chuck from the latest Keyboard Magazine.

And, Bob, I have no doubt Chuck could play the US part.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan (us2inva at excite.com)

Location: Richmond

Subject: Daithi68/Peter V.

Peter: Thanks! It's a good read, except I won't know whether to file under fiction or nonfiction! Daithi68: There are too many music venues in New York to mention. BB Kings of course is an obvious one, although it evokes more New York sophistication (and prices) versus its' more authentic Memphis cousin on Beale St. I would stick to Greenwich Village, where the local, free paper, the Village Voice, is generally authoritative on where to see the bands you are interested in.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:47:17 CET 2003 from mcha-aa044.taconic.net (205.231.148.43)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Oops... I just checked the tapes Peter (I haven't played them in awhile). I also have "Sail on Sailor" and "Spoonful" from that same show.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:44:50 CET 2003 from mcha-aa044.taconic.net (205.231.148.43)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Kuranda

Peter: I have "Wish you were here tonight" and "Keep on the sunny side" (a wonderful version with Rick and Maud Hudson) from the Kuranda show that you mentioned. I don't have the whole tape. I have several "mix" tapes from live shows that Rick had made for me. I'd be curious to hear the entire Kuranda show.

Thanks Jan (and Jack :-)


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:31:46 CET 2003 from du-tele3-087.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.87)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Australian Band

There is (allegedly) a tape from 5 June 1988, which is listed as "Danko, Hudson & Friends" rather than as "The Band" with the line-up Jan has listed on the site - Kuranda Ampitheatre, Queensland. It includes Sail on Sailor and Wish You were Here Tonight, as well as Kansas City, Spoonful and the usual suspects - Twlight, Mystery train, It Makes No Difference, Cripple Creek, The Weight, The Shape I'm in, Ophelia.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:26:15 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.
Web: My link

Subject: Roots & Rhythm

The latest bulletin from the venerable Roots & Rhythm has an extremely favorable write-up of Louisiana Red’s “A Different Shade of Red: The Woodstock Sessions,” noting that it was recorded at Levon Helm’s barn and that Mr. Helm is responsible for the “solid drums.” For many years, Roots & Rhythm has been an essential mail-order source for hard-to-find blues, gospel, R’n’B, old-time country, early R’n’R, folk, ethnic & world music. They can be found on the Web at the above link.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:24:23 CET 2003 from du-tele3-087.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.87)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Goldman

I read the Goldman book on Elvis, which seemed more interested in Elvis's predilictions on underwear (white, plain, newly issued by roadies) than on the music. It was a tabloid job, readable enough in the way that the National Enquirer might be, but dwarfed by the two great Guralnik books which followed and told the story properly. The Lennon one by Goldman got serialised in the newspapers, and I read the offending chapter on Lennon and Epstein in Spain which McCartney assured the world was nonsense. Taking Sir Paul's advice, I declined to buy it even when it hit the remainder shops for £5. In the intervening years, I think someone has suggested that it was true after all. Whatever. I'll leave John on the pedastel which would probably mean nothing to him as he didn't give much attention to what the world thought - except when he sent back his medal.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 21:22:30 CET 2003 from ip-161-71-171-195.corp-eur.3com.com (161.71.171.195)

Posted by:

Daithí68

Folks, I'm heading to New York for 10 days from the 6th of march. Can anyone give me some info on places that have live music that would be worth hearing. Been listening to The Band for the last 10 years or so, ever since i seen the Last Waltz, so you know what sort of music I like! Any info will be great.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 20:41:56 CET 2003 from (162.111.195.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Diamond Lil mentioned me in her post, and I am pleased that the majority of us would like to get back to the music and our love for The Band. After reading all those less than polite posts, I started thinking about why I come here so often. All this feud talk has always upset me. I prefer to remember a time when a group of brothers set out and created something totally new to music...a band of equals. My affection for them is similar, for I have no favorites. I think it's great that people particularly like Levon or Robbie, but that sometimes leads us away from the music.

I cherish coming here and finding out things that I didn't know about the Band. Butch will tell us about a great show. Paul Godfrey, John Donabie or Diamond Lil will share personal experiences that bring me back to a wonderful time. I love that people like Peter Viney will take the time and energy to locate recording sessions that we did not know involved the Band. I appreciate it when someone like Amanda or Brown Eyed Girl will share pictures of their heroes (however there is no need for public arguments). As always, I get excited when my fellow southerner, David Powell, keeps us on musical terms here.

Jan: Thanks for everything! I hope everyone will make you proud. Your labor of love here is truly wonderful.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 20:34:59 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.207)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: PB

Pat, it's possible Mick was attempting to wave you up in an effort to have you teach Chuck Leavell how to handle that descending line/ritardando/stop/start from "Unfaithful Servant" !!

IORR


Entered at Mon Jan 20 20:07:45 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Pat B: Thanks for the pointer to the Association website. I'd always wondered who the front man was in their hippie-dippy early '70s TV appearances; now I know it was Jules Alexander. I see from the discography that they did "Silent Song Through The Land", a great song that I know only through the excellent version by Dewey Martin (ex Buffalo Springfield).


Entered at Mon Jan 20 20:04:07 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Ze Bend, Blondie Chaplin

Thanks to all for the Blondie Chaplin info, especially to Ray G. and to Jan for the permanent link. One of you writers out there should get Blondie to write it all down. If not a book, at least an article. Suggested title: "The Best of Blondie". You know at least all GBers and Deborah Harry would buy copies.

Are there any recordings, boots presumably, of the Australian Band?

Can you see and hear Richard, relaxed and slinking on the couch, looking into the TLW camera, and saying "...so, heh, we just called ourselves...Ze Bend". Thanks for that gem, Empty Now.

edwardvoci at aol.com


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Goldman and Jan's comments

I dont know Jan, I might have let us keep believing that the axe was hanging right over our head, ready to drop at any second. Lords know the threat has certainly changed the GBs tone. Besides, Ive always beena Crown Royal sort of guy myself.

Several years ago, right after the Goldman book came out on Lennon or ELvis, I dont remember which, as both were hatchet jobs. SNL did a skit wherein in 1962 Goldman was the Accordian Player for the Beatles, who ELvis talked in dumping from the group. Goldman swore revenge, and we wound up with 2 Bios 20+ years later, It was quite funny.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 19:47:34 CET 2003 from h-68-164-10-189.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.10.189)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

BTW, was Mick Jagger on the deck of an aircraft carrier trying to wave in a jet? Or what?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 19:32:18 CET 2003 from h-68-164-10-189.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.10.189)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ahh, getting back to "the music." And on that note, you may recall I posted an Association tune "Everything That Touches You" as guilty pleasure. Additionally, they're on the bonus DVD of the Monterey Pop release of this past Xmas, ooops I'm sorry, I meant Christmas. So, I had some time and surfed some fan site of the group and, lo and behold, two Band links!! And Jan, put down the bottle and add it to related artists/Band songs covered by other artists. A huge find.

http://www.theassociation.net/cgi-bin/cwload.cgi?page=raudio

Note their first RA single. Then, scroll down to some early 70's singles. Click and get ready to laugh.


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Posted by:

Mikey Lenahan

Location: Clinton,NJ

Subject: Hubert Sumlin Tribute at BB KINGS

Hey Guy's, I hope to see some of the GB'ers ( crabgrass ) at BB Kings this Wednesday night. Levon and the Barnburners with a list of the HOTTEST blues players in the country. This is going to be a great show. I will try to get some photos for the web site. Peace


Entered at Mon Jan 20 17:21:12 CET 2003 from tnt-77-77.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.77)

Posted by:

Tracy

Location: back from Anaheim

Subject: NAMM

I just came back from Anaheim, CA, last night after attending the National Association of Music Merchants show. I gotta say, since then I've changed. Holy shit that was HUGE. Every single brand name in music products you can think of. The show directory guide the size of a local telephone book and a lot of well-known musicians checking it out, signing stuff, or just hanging out. Unbelievable. My respect for many went sky high up.

Tracy


Entered at Mon Jan 20 17:20:31 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Amanda: It's a big if, but IF I'm the 'someone' in your line, "... over a pizza story--that someone else in fact wrote as a nasty jab at Levon ...", you're way off base.

On to other topics: Wasn't it the Sons of [Bill] Champlin, not the Sons of [Blondie] Chaplin who opened for our guys at Winterland? Blondie's band was called the Flames when in South Africa (they even had an album - the cover of which I saw in a thrift shop once) and the Flame once they'd gotten to California. Ricky Fataar was in Tim Finn's band post-Split Enz if that's of interest to anyone here.

Peter V: thanks for the kind words on my Daniel thoughts. Disappointing that they were overlooked what with civil war breaking out and all - but, hey, it's not the first time. By the way, I was reading one of Wodehouse's Jeeves books over the weekend - the one where Bertie gets a banjolele - and what do I find towards the end but a reference to how Daniel must've felt in the bally lion's den. Deucedly rummy is all I can say.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 17:13:22 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.207)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Bayou Sam

Bayou,

Check out the link for the lyrics to "God - Part II". I guess I paraphrased a bit but that was the gist of it.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 17:04:12 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Jan!!! You are the best... yesterday, I was searching the Homepsun Tapes webpage and thought I had found something new... Richard background vocals on I Shall Be Released off a Happy Traum CD... and then I checked in the Discog... and sure enough, it's been listed for a while... I am continually amazed at the depth of this site... And thanks for the stories Butch... it's great to hear anything about Levon and Amy... and how much fun you guys are having... Lil, I'm actually eyeing up 3/8 but I won't be able to say for at least another week... that's gonna be a great show...


Entered at Mon Jan 20 17:01:32 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Tull = I never did read that Goldman book. Being a big Lennon fan I guess I should. I remember hearing so much backlash about it from everyone including big name people. It was felt that the book was filled with falsehoods.

Bob Wigo = I'd never heard that Bono line - funny line.

Ben Pike = OK? Feel better?

I popped in a video yesterday of The Band's set at Woodstock '94. It was a great set. There was an amusing bit where they are having some microphone troubles and Rick is talking up a storm to Levon over one of his cymbals. Then Levon, in a moment of frustration, swirls the stick in his left hand and pounds the hi-hat and bass drum, and glares, presumably, at the sound guys. Then he kind of nods at Rick and just kicks in to the next tune with the Band right with him. it was cool. There's also a shot of Levon with Butch (I beleive it's Butch) after the set.

I was flipping through Sundays paper yesterday when a photo of Simon & Garfunkel caught my eye. Someone wrote to a gossip column asking how Garfunkel explains his split from Simon in 1970. I thought his resonse was great =

"Let's just say we split over lyrics. Paul wanted the Mrs. Robinson refrain to go 'wo wo wo', while I insisted on 'woo woo woo.'"


Entered at Mon Jan 20 16:10:27 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.207)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Goldman

I always liked Bono's line on Goldman.....

"Instant karma's gonna get you...if I don't get you first."


Entered at Mon Jan 20 16:05:24 CET 2003 from h-68-164-12-144.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.12.144)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Ben, Washington Park, some south suburb of Chicago, 1976, when they were The Band.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 15:56:31 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Bourbon, GB, and J.Lennon

Great news Jan! May I also recommend some Knob Creek (bourbon)next time you are so inclined? Last week I bought ALbert Goldman's notorious The Lives Of John Lennon (Band Link: Lennon's stay with Ronnie Hawkins where he flooded his bathroom, collapsing the floor into Ronnie's kitchen and the $5,000.00 phone bill he left behind). I remember the scandal this book created when it came out, yet I'm sure there is also much truth to be found in it. Any thoughts, guys? Would expecially like to now what Peter Viney has to say on Goldman and his credibility as a writer. Better/worse than Hoskyns?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 15:37:36 CET 2003 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: French Band fan - and the future of this web site

"Empty Now," a Band fan from France named Thierry posted in the guestbook (in French) on January 18, 1999... check the archives.

Btw, we (the royal "we") spent this weeked with a large bottle of Jack Daniels, trying to figure out what to do with the site. At least we now have clearance from "higher powers" here at the college to keep it going as long as they don't get any more complaints about content. And the JD mellowed us out a bit, I guess. We're a a little more optimistic about the future of the site than when we wrote that GB entry last Saturday afternoon - before the bourbon kicked in.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 14:32:54 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: lyrics

Ben, that's your bag! And it would give you a big head to give me an ass-wuppin' like that. :) SPORTS: Politics I can put aside, but my beloved NY Yankees? :(


Entered at Mon Jan 20 14:12:48 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Charlie, that Twilight Zone was no doubt written by Earl Hammer, who wrote all the "country" Twilight Zones and, for better or worse, went on to give us "The Waltons".

My Opening Farewell? I remember the first time I posted on here, no doubt stupidly using my real name. I wrote this real nice and sincere post about how I loved the Band and how great it was to share it with others. So this guy prints a real snooty post saying I didn't belong on the site due to my bad spelling! So since then I have made it a point to type really fast and never correct (almost) anything. I don't know who was around back then, maybe PV and Pat.

Jan, I've never complained to you or spoken to you in any fashion, but I will say this is simply the finest site I have ever seen, period. I may be prejudiced by my love of the subject matter; but I've seen lots of worthless sites about stuff I love. This is just the best.

Lil, I have deeply enjoyed endlessly razzing you about once saying something nice about Journey. PV, as hopelessly middle brow guys with overstated views on sixties Rock stars with the last name Morrison go; you're the best. Pat, thanks for trying to be fair and it was great to be with you at my only, epic experience with the original five. Roz, I want to father your baby. Butch, I don't believe you ever actually got any closer to Levon Helm than David Clayton Thomas. Amanda, thanks for trying to be fair. Crabgrass, thanks for backing me up on that Dylan Grammy Speech thing. Bassman Lee, you know he Clinton scandels like James Brown knows Perry Como. Tullfan, you should study the lyrics more so you can quote them like me. Ben Pike, you contributed tons of interesting info to the GB that no one ever gives you credit for since you always clean there clock on Bubba. So be it. That is all.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 14:02:42 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.97)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: The first time i heard this name (and today is not the last)

Non native English speakers The Band fans. Yazooman : I’m very pleased, you dont cite my name, since i know you consider me like one of your best friends, (the reciprocity is true) I deduce you think i am a native English speaker, in fact English comes in third or forth position.
More far pleased is that your post picked up in my memory that the first time i heard about The Band as a group is thanks to a French friend of mine i met during my holiday in August 1970 in Bordeaux (France). Later, I losed him from view. He was a true and autenthetic early The Band fan, I wished he were posting here in.
The kind of details that marks you for the rest of your life, he pronounced “Ze Bend” . I was with him during whole days hearing Ze Bend are zat, Ze Bend are zis, Ze Bend do zat Ze Bend do zis, Ze Bend played zis song, Ze Bend played zat song, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend, Ze Bend........The Band, now i understand.

God bless you Thierry B. if one of these days you read this post.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 11:17:50 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Happy Martain Luther King day to all....


Entered at Mon Jan 20 11:11:13 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: no damm snow in Minn.

Cahoots kinda grow's on ya, Ive been listening to Springstens "The Rising" and liking that also... I havn't been here in a few so I've just got caught up on the latest Gb saga, I hope this place survives, Ive enjoyed reading most of the posts in here and have learned a lot about the Band and music in general so from that standpoint I would miss it, leave it to people to skrew a good thing up and they will. So if this is it so long Roz hun where ever ya are...Dave Z take care...Jan, I've enjoyed your site very much, hope ya don't pull the plug but if you do so be it, thanks...


Entered at Mon Jan 20 11:08:41 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Blondie Chaplin

I believe Blondies band was called "The Flames" or something like that


Entered at Mon Jan 20 09:43:35 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Lars / My email

JL7688 at aol.com


Entered at Mon Jan 20 07:24:44 CET 2003 from dialup-67.24.83.228.dial1.lasvegas1.level3.net (67.24.83.228)

Posted by:

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Location: Las Vega$
Web: My link

Subject: Robbie Robertson

Martin Scorsese's new movie just won a Golden Globe award tonight and thanked Robbie Robertson,,,Cool Beans Martin!!!! You go Robbie!!! :-)


Entered at Mon Jan 20 06:53:41 CET 2003 from 1cust251.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.251)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Blondie Chaplin / Indian Museum / Sports

Wow!! Jan is really on the ball updating this site! He's already made a page for Blondie Chaplin containing the info posted right here in the GB earlier today! Astonishing!!! (Click "My link" above.) BTW I think Blondie was the guy who wrote "Sail On Sailor." (Correct me if I'm wrong.) He also played with Rick at one of his last Bottom Line shows about 5 years back.

Shouldn't that Museum of the American Indian really be called the Museum of the Native American? I hope that guy chiseling the stone slab above the entrance way hasn't gotten past "of the" yet!

SPORTS: I'm all for keeping sports out of the GB!


Entered at Mon Jan 20 05:21:13 CET 2003 from jed6.revealed.net (208.23.178.101)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Beatles

Thanks for mentioning The Beatles Sam! Contrary to what has been said, those confiscated tapes have already been bootlegged. As a matter of fact, included amongst those tapes is The Beatles impromptu version of "Third Man Theme", which I emailed to Jan last week. He probably ignored it due to all that is going on here. Should I give it another try and see if he'll do something with it or let it go? Anyone? Mind you, The Beatles don't come close to The Band's version. However, they do a pretty spiffy job considering that it's "on the spot".


Entered at Mon Jan 20 05:19:54 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-163.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.163)

Posted by:

Serge

Subject: Mono..What?

Someone posting under my name ?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 05:12:03 CET 2003 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: The Troubles

I'd simply like to second some of the more constructive comments that have been made to Jan regarding the Guestbook, particularly those made by Butch Dener and Paul Godfrey. It would be a shame if all the work that has been put into this Web page by Jan and his associates were to be lost. So, please, keep religion, sports and politics — unless it relates to music — outta here. Let's try to grow up.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 05:06:08 CET 2003 from xn83.emc.com (168.159.1.83)

Posted by:

Serge

Subject: Music from Big Pink LP

MONO copy of Big Pink is available ?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 05:00:16 CET 2003 from (209.130.200.80)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush

Subject: Oxford Depot

JOE: I wish I had your e-mail address so I wouldn't have to gum up this guestbook with a personal message, BUT I'll make this brief.

I've been to a LOT of Oxford Depot shows, just ask Rich. Just tell him that, next to Mike Baglione, he's the most LONESOME guy I've ever met. He'll be flattered, it's part of their show. His bass player Leon has my e-mail if you ever want to get in touch.

....................LARS


Entered at Mon Jan 20 04:53:25 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Charlie Young = thanks for posting that link to the story of that Beatles recording. I wonder what it'll fetch on ebay. I hope it gets released eventually......Just when ya think that there can't be any new Beatles stuff, they find those stolen tapes, and this live recording pops up. Keep it coming.

Ray G - I enjoyed your Blondie Chaplin info. I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to be bought in by the Beach Boys and actually sing a lead vocal in a band like that which was stocked to the gills with singers. Pretty cool....and wasn't Ricky Fataar the guy who played Stig O'Hara (George) in The Rutles?


Entered at Mon Jan 20 04:03:44 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: The Land of Snow

Subject: Robbie Robertson & American Indians

Martin Scorsese's new movie just won a Golden Globe award tonight for the U2 song called "The Hands That Built America." Robbie Robertson was the music supervisor for the film according to the discography section of this great website. Does anyone know if Robbie has any connection to the Smithsonian Institution's Museum of the American Indian? I understand that the construction of that museum is moving along quickly now, though I'm not sure of the opening date.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 02:46:38 CET 2003 from 1cust123.tnt2.hackensack.nj.da.uu.net (67.235.142.123)

Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Ed Voci......... what I know about Blondie Chaplin

I saw the Stones on the Bridges to Babylon Tour and was very suprised when Mick introduced Blondie Chaplin as one of the backup singers. Blondie is from South Africa I believe and has had a pretty diverse career.

He was discovered by Carl Wilson of the Beach Boys. Carl had wanted and I think did sign Blondies band to the Beach Boys own label, Brothers Records (I can't think of the name of his band though). Then around 1970 when Bruce Johnson left the Beach Boys and Dennis Wilson injured his hand and was unable to play drums Blondie and his bandmate/drummer Ricky Fataar where asked to join the Beach Boys. The two recorded on the Beach Boys Holland album and toured as well. Blondie had the destinction of singing lead on a classic Beach Boys song called "Sail on Sailor. The two can also be heard on the Beach Boys excellent non-overdubbed live album called "In Concert". One of the things I find intresting about the "In Concert" album is the fact that Blondie was covering Carl Wilson and Al Jardines vocal parts, reason being that Carl and Al took turns covering Brian Wilsons falsetto parts. Blondie also did a good job on guitar, if you listen closely you will notice that he doubles some of Carl Wilsons lead guitar parts which makes for a nice effect.

I basically never heard of him again until I saw the Stones on the "Bridges" tour and then went on to find out about his involment with the Band. So hats off to Blondie... an official ex-Beach Boy, a sort of ex-Band member, and a touring musician with the Stones for the past few tours. NOT TOO SHABBY!!!


Entered at Mon Jan 20 01:43:02 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Stones ...

By the way ... Did Sheryl Crow look HOT in those pants last night or what ?!?! ...



Entered at Mon Jan 20 01:40:18 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Thanks Butch

Thanks Butch, I don't know where my contact got that info. ...

Have a nice holiday

Raiders or Titans ? ...



Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:46:50 CET 2003 from host81-132-21-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com (81.132.21.168)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: This Place

Sorry to see all the shit thats been going down. I've been away for a couple of days and just spent the last hour trawling through the entries...and it's a bit of a pirahna's nest!

I remember when I was a kid and my Brother and I would be fighting and my Dad would say "Pack it in or I'll bang your heads together", well I can't really aply that in this case but another one of his well used phrases was "Manners cost nothing!"

I've not been coming here very long and I've never hung around any web places as much as I do here. I like it here, I come here at least five times a day if I'm not too busy. Maybe I should get out more! Most people here seem to be really sound. When I posted some stuff about wanting to holiday in the Woodstock area I got some really nice and helpful response. I also mailed Jan to pick his brains on the subject and he was also really helpful and friendly. I've learned all kinds of things from this site and GB and met a couple of the guys who come here. I've had some great music recommended to me. I even had a couple of the fellas telling me how to work my DVD player the other week because I was too daft to suss out some of it's workings! I just think that it was great that they all gladly offered me advice on something so unconnected to The Band just out of goodwill.Thank you kindly! I'm still trawling through the info\articles\photos etc on this site and enjoying it immensely.

Sorry, I'm waffling on a bit like a soppy arse here, I guess I'm trying to say that this place really doesn't and shouldn't have to be such hard work, especially not for yer man Jan who is a major dude that it can be really cool and I'd be sad to see it go. Plain and Simple.


Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:48:24 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

Location: vox populi

Subject: tiny monster

hey,,, no,, Levon was not in the studio with John Hiatt any time this year,,, he & i did go to the EGG in albany to see his solo show,, but thats the extent,,,,,,, bubbaband@aol.com


Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:44:06 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Blondie Chaplin

Like a lot of others, I saw Blondie Chaplin last night sing and play with the Stones on HBO. I've always been curious about him, but know little about what he does. I saw him fill in for Richard when The Band played a show in Chicago a week after Richard passed; I saw him sit in with The Band at one of the L.A. House of Blues shows in 1996; "Sons of Chaplin" appears along with The Band on the Winterland show bill; and I pick up bits and pieces on him from the GB. Then, boom, he's playing with the Stones. If anyone can shed a little or, preferably, a lot more light on BC, it would be appreciated.

Speaking of the Stones, they give me more hope for the future of rock & roll than anything else right now. What a show. Amazing. My nine year-old daughter climbed out of bed to see what the Rolling Stones were all about and, seeing Mick said, "He looks like Steven Tyler." My jaw dropped. Apparently Tyler had appeared recently on a kids' show as Santa Claus. She thought Cheryl Crow looked "gross", though I respectfully and carefully, ah, disagreed. edwardvoci at aol.com


Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:42:24 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Helm/Hiatt

Hey Butch ?!?! ... I've been trying for days to get this question answered ... Was Levon in the studio this past year anytime or plan in the near future to record on John Hiatt's upcoming release? ... I heard there was mention of it in the "What's new" section but I haven't been able to find anything ??? ...

As for the Guest Board going away, that would be a shame. Think of it this way. This is a microcosm of your life.

PEACE



Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:40:11 CET 2003 from nrwl-sh5-port43.snet.net (204.60.239.43)

Posted by:

lg10 and mid

Location: ct

Subject: whispering pines cd

After months of arduous searching for the elusive Richard Manuel cd, Whispering Pines, we were finally able to locate it in of all places Woodstock. Right there on Tinker Street, at a music shop called Rhythms. And boy was it worth the price and the search... all good things come to those who wait. Richard sounds incredible and is joined by Rick on a few numbers. This cd is a treasure for anyone who appreciates his musical abilities. Recorded just months before his passing, it leaves a lasting reminder of just how talented he was, and how sorely he is missed.* We are interested in Butch's email address, our email address is lilmid@hotmail.com. We have a Band related question we do not care to post in here. Thank you Larry and Misty


Entered at Mon Jan 20 00:02:04 CET 2003 from 1cust91.tnt3.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.153.91)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Closing Time (?),The Beatles, The Band, Haints & Saints

If Jan has to shut this place down I hope there will be a warning, so we can have a "last waltz" of sorts and let everyone say farewell to this very human cyber community. I would be willing to pat some sort of (reasonable) fee to help keep this ship afloat, but don't know if enough of us feel that way to make it work.

Anyway, I think this site has helped my knowledge of The Band tremendously, and people such as David Powell, Peter Viney and Pat Brennan have been like professors in teaching about everything from "Blonde on Blonde" master recordings to Van the Man rareties and the American Civil War.

The site's trips into politics and religion have gotten bumpy and sometimes too much intimate information and bickering has made me want to utter the line my father used when he was a platoon leader in the Marines: "that sounds like a personal problem--you should see the chaplain."

I suppose if this site went away I would pick up some extra time for reading books and might even selectively turn on the boob tube as well. There was a great episode of Rod Serling's classic "The Twilight Zone" on the SciFi network yesterday that used an obscure regional word from the American South, one that was once discussed here in the context of a line from The Band's first album. The line "he's a haint" turned up in the Serling show episode about a rural Southern guy in the 1920s who popped out of his casket a couple of days after the local doctor declared him dead. The first thing I thought of, of course, was "haints and saints don't bother me, I'm not alone you see..."

Finally I just wanted to post the link above to an interesting story that a friend sent me from the Memphis newspaper last month. It's about an audience recording from a concert by the Beatles there in 1966 and the two women who recorded it.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 23:46:09 CET 2003 from 1cust61.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.61)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Reggae

Click above link to read interesting article on the face of present day reggae - from The Guardian.

djy15_at_hotmail.com


Entered at Sun Jan 19 22:39:43 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Lars / Oxford Depot

Richie Walters the mandolin player from Oxford Depot is a workmate of mine. Catch their show next time if possible, or pick up their cd. They're pretty darn good. We'll both be at Bodles to catch the Barn Burners on Feb. 22nd.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 22:25:57 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Generic Affirmation of Support

Awesome Site!!!
The Band Rocks!!!!!
Keep It Up!!!!!!!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 22:03:48 CET 2003 from 66-121-52-2.covenanthealth.org (66.121.52.2)

Posted by:

Howard

Location: There's a Flood out in California

Just got done viewing Al Kooper's web page. He lists Big Pink as one of his all time favorites. Peace Everyone.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 21:43:20 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It isn't the straying away from music that's the problem as much as people just being mean spirited asses to other people.

"Threads don't kill guestbooks - people kill guestbooks" - Bayou Sam 2003

Lars - heck no - I liked the flapjack thread. If I didn't like it it would be tough luck on me, and I'd scroll by. Hell, I was a big part of the pizza thread. It's the political threads that get ugly. Of course there are people who get ugly just for the sake of doing it no matter what the thread is. Bad seeds.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 21:24:06 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Thanks Ed Voci!

Thank you for the info. Peace, Love, and Music all. ===:::


Entered at Sun Jan 19 19:32:00 CET 2003 from dialup-1018.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.147.250)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork

Subject: Take a Load Off.........

Last night, 'roundabout 6-7PM, I was waiting for a ride home from the missus at a bar called Charlies, here in Cork.....I overheard two guys talking about TLW....describing it in great detail to another....they were drunk in that sorta bar-half-empty-at-6PM -Rainy-Saturday night sorta way......I was tempted to join in their conversation.....but then I thought "nah.....might lead to an argument...."

Crabby....I learned the intro of "The Weight" from...a drummer!.....Sometimes, we have fun 'round these parts with two guitars playing the BP intro simultaneously with TLW intro......sounds weird but funny.......

I heard that Shane McGowan is dedicating his song, "If I Should Fall From Grace with God", to Pete Townsend at his gigs recently..........


Entered at Sun Jan 19 18:29:59 CET 2003 from (208.51.156.11)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: misc

I was supposed to go see a bluegrass show last night (Oxford Depot at the Warwick Winery), had my tickets waiting for me at the door, but I wasn't up to it so I stayed home and watched the Stones on HBO. Like the sign said, "The Stones take a 'Lickin' (40) and keep on tickin." ...or something like that. It was good to see Blondie Chaplin (Rick and Sredni went to Austrailia for a tour a long time ago, Rick's mentioned, at different shows, how he and Blondie were walking on the beach and came upon an "open" (nudists') beach and were told they had to undress or get out). Anyway, (sorry for the digression) I thought The Stones looked great. I didn't know Jaggar could play guitar. Cheryl Crow is either a great actress or she really is fond of Mick, they seemed quite close. Keith Richard still plays that guitar in a crouched position, good to see the old knees are holding up. Mick can work an audience (MSG looked packed), he can still skip along the stage (long may he skip).

In contrast, The Band always seemed to be playing the music for the music's sake. No skipping, unless you count Rick's dancing, but I think he always did that to keep the beat, he couldn't stop himself from dancing. In TLW, when Rick was done with his "Stagefright" vocal, he turned around and really rocked when they "brought it home." In think the others were just locked into the music, I wonder if they could even hear the applause at the end of each song..... Rick would frequently stop playing at the end and tip his bass (or guitar) to look for broken strings....Levon and Randy always seemed to enjoy each other's company, I used to wonder if Levon was trying to push Randy's buttons by saying something that would make him laugh....Garth would sometimes be hidden from view, all you could see coming up over the top of his organ/musical sanctuary were his fingers........At Carnegie Hall his head was down on the organ and his eyes were closed, I was beginning to get worried, but I noticed his fingers were still alive...Levon was always there in "the best seat in the house" and (in my opinion) when he took over on vocals I'd be thinking "this is it...it doesn't get any better than this."

Let's see....random thoughts...I've got to get some work done on the woodpile before the football games start....I was surprised to read that Bayou Sam ISN'T angry with me about my flapjack remark (bless yo heart)....Dave Z. must have a lot of miles on that jeep, how are the shocks?.... Butch always used to ask me if I was behaving myself (and he seemed in earnest)- I don't know what kind of stories he's heard about me, but I deny every one of them. Then I ask if HE'S behaving, but we both know we're talking about his strict diet. He's got a lot of courage the way he fights his health , he's described his problem here in the gb..... I miss watching Jimmy Eppard's performances....Little Elmo looks quite happy these days (if only he could get shorter ....)....Jim Weider seems to always play better at each show, I am in awe of what he can do with a guitar...I think the JWB is at it's best when Mark Poley and Tom Izzo are up there helping out....Let's face it, I'm just putting off my woodpile work. Hell, it's almost zero out there and I doubt if I could get my chain saw going. Somebody probably stole the damn thing anyway, so the smart play for me is to conserve my strength and listen to some Band music.

That's my plan and I'm sticking to it.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 18:29:51 CET 2003 from ppp79.a1-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.79)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: GB

Dear Jan,

It is rare to find such a current and complete musical resourse as the BAND site.

One would hope that as a last look at loosing the site, you might consider deleting the GB but keeping all the other resources. Then the chat room might be used for what it is...a chat room.

If you would allow an email address for sending in "What's New" items that would keep us up to date.

It has been a great ride and I thank you.

Shine On! Paul Godfrey


Entered at Sun Jan 19 18:26:42 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f00eff-cm014270105631.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.156.103.95)

Posted by:

Toronto Craig

Subject: RE: great post Butch

Butch- you put it very well.

As a casual observer here it's pretty clear that we can resolve this very easily. The 1st time someone crosses the line taking them out of the realm of music, say to politics, war, religion and all the extraneous sludge that goes on here, make sure we all jump on him/her quickly and end it. This is a music site and even though it seems we stretch even those boundaries to their limit at times, if it stays music then the worst case scenario will be some people will, say, appreciate Dylan and some like me, can't stand the guy. Pretty tough to get insulting or indignant over that stuff, methinks.

Practice K.I.T.T.

Keep It To Tunes ! TC


Entered at Sun Jan 19 18:01:03 CET 2003 from du-tele3-056.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.56)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Good on you …

Great post, Butch.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:44:42 CET 2003 from 1cust83.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.250.109.83)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Butch

I'm with you brother!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:42:48 CET 2003 from 1cust83.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.250.109.83)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Calvin and Butterfield

Calvin, get all three you mentioned. All have gems making each piece worth while.As well ,I have acquired numerous early ,live Butter recordings. Let me know if you're interested.---Jeffrey(oops,I mean Rollie.Yeah that's right,I'm using code names!!)


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:40:24 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Stones on HBO/emails

I can be found at us2inva at excite.com. I also prefer the emails back; I really don't care how much spam goes into my secondary email address anyway.it's ironic to me that those doing the apologizing out here are the 'good eggs' who don't need to apologize for anything! I think it shows class on their behalf, and I thank them for it. THE STONES: I agree it was agreat show and setlist last night, but I was dissapointed in the sound/production values. Maybe it was me, my mood, or tv system, but I just didn't feel 'there'. I could tell the band was performing well, but it just didn't translate technically for me. Oh well. I was also impresed how Mick & Co. could still perform such a physical show at their age as well as they did. Kind of makes me sad to think that the likes of Lennon/Harrison and Danko/Manuel would be in the same age range if they were still with us, and we could be enjoying gtheir performances as well.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:40:18 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

years ago,, when i found out about this website,,,, i went to share it with Levon,,,

a whole place dedicated to you guys,,,( rick was still with us, then )

not being a computer guy,, he couldnt believe it,,,,

Amy, his daughter , & i showed him some of this wonderful resource,,,,,& he had the typical reaction ,,, ( Larry Campbell said the same thing about his ) "This place knows more about me than i do,"

true,,, but funny,,,

over the years Jan had this home for us,,,ive posted shows here,,,given ya reviews,,,told ya what Levon's reaction was, ( when appropriate )to some musical thing,,& tried to be one link to the fellas from here,,, to share my good fortune,,,

but the ugliness of the big world has found its way to this smaller world,,, & its too bad,,,

im as much to blame as anyone,,,& we are all responsible,,,,

so, lets put the rancor away & get back to where we once belonged,,,,

THE BAND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,before we lose our home,,,,,,

thanks jan,, for before,, for now,, & hopefully,, for the future,,,,,,


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:17:50 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Old 97s, Paul Butterfield, Peter's stalker, Im sure some other things

Peter, I dont think Whiney Viney was who you think it was. About 2 weeks ago somebody kept attacking me on comments concerning Joni Mitchell-and then they also attacked someone else (whose name fails me) on another group-each time it was from an AOL Address and the name was a play on the original posters name/smells like an MO to me.

It anyone familiar with the Band The Old 97s. I've recently purchased their last 2 albums as well as One of their members, Rhett Miller, solo discs. And so far I'm very taken with this bands up tempo, fun style, of quality music. It reminds me a lot of the 90s Bands live shows. Just a good group of guys humming along, playing some rip roaring good tunes while enjoying the heck out of playing them. Nothing beats finding a new band the focus on for a while. That and reading all of Willa Cather's novels, another new find, should get me through the winter.

I recently tracked down a record lable website because they were releasing a lot of Richie Furay stuff on CD that had been unavaliable until now. I also find they are releasing 3 Paul Butterfield Blues Band CDs. Given that the website lists them as featuring David Sanborn and they are released as Blues Band instead of Better Days I'm assuming they are from the 69-71 time frame. According to most music sources the first 3 Butterfield Albums are the only ones worth spending money on, but as I have a few Better Days CDs I know that is nonsense can anyone give feedback on IN MY OWN DREAM, KEEP ON MOVING, and SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE SMILING.

As a final thought, I also think restoration of Emails addresses isnt a bad idea-yes the spam sucks, but I do think things got confrontational after we were unable to Email someone and say "Hey, that isnt exactly what I meant, and I'm sorry." I can cite a couple of times that happened to me and things didnt wind up get poured onto the GB.

Yazooman has had a Yahoo club called Music From The Big Pink for years, so whoever floated that idea, it already exists. Supratik is a great guy and I also consider him a friend who I hope to meet someday.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:13:50 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

dz agin

HAPPY HAPPY 13 JESSICA... CRANK UP THAT DICKEY BETTS GUITAR SOLO REAL LOUD TODAY!!!!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 17:07:40 CET 2003 from du-tele3-003.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.3)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Completists …

There's a new Van Morrison bootleg around called "Catalog Strays 1965-2000". This 3 CD set has two Band-related songs on it, "4% Pantomime" and "Wonderful Remark". The former is the Cahoots track, and the latter is the Robbie produced and Robbie guitar track off 'King of Comedy". If you haven't got the latter, the cheapest route is still "Best of Van Morrison" Volume 1. The boot rounds up lots of officially released B-sides and sessions.

Also on sale at the record fair today was a lavish Dylan box set of "The Rolling Thunder-2 Rehearsals" with 4 CDs. Too expensive (£35) and the recent official release makes it unecessary, but like so many bootlegs I suspect it results from Columbia taking the tapes out of their boxes to do the new official set. Cheekily, for a bootleg, it has the official Columbia logo and name on the box. No new Band items were on sale, but Academy of Outtakes, Roosevelt Stadium, Washinton (sic) DC, and Friends & Other Strangers were all around. I saw an article recently suggesting that the days of record fairs were numbered, because turnover has fallen by 50% in the last year.

My e-mail address is viney_at_mailbox.co.uk. Insults and lies may be directed there rather than waved around trying to cause trouble here. I suspect that the deletion of e-mail addresses, which was forced on the site by the Nigerian begging letters, has not helped things because it stops personal contact over disputes.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:58:56 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Subject: Crabby Jockey Hockey Docket No. BANDGB

Plan A: File restraining order on any GBer caught licking fingers after eating pancakes.
Plan B: Protest global warning... from inside (not inside the gov't, inside your igloo, you idiot).
Plan C: Drink lots of whiney.
Plan D: Run numerous options, bills, riders, legislation, tax cuts, etc,... by your own personal CFO or budgetary head... and watch her crush them with a smile on her face... hand you a runney nosed Elmo fan... say nice try... and split before you are awake.
Plan E: Daydream about how it's gonna be when you hear the music... drink the beer... just drive... all to the accompany-ament (it's early) of Elmo sing songs...
Plan F: That's right, you are...


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:56:52 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: BANDFan; video footage; Crabgrass

There is a video (and laserdisc, at least) of the Woodstock "lost performances" including The Band performing The Weight. It's great; someone here recently recalled Levon's and Rick's verbal interplay between lyrics. I, like others, die a slow death everytime we think of what it would have meant for The Band to have been included in the Woodstock movie. As far as the The Band-RR goes, there is a U.S. released "The Band Is Back" laserdisc and video and there are Japanese import laser discs from the 1980's, too. From the 1990's there is the New Orleans Jazz Fest concert on video, laser and DVD (The Band opened for the Allman Brothers who are not on the recordings) and I recently found (six months ago) "The Band Live at Loreley" DVD which did not give a date, but from the material performed appears to have been recorded between HOH and Jubiliation (the earliest copyright date is 1996; there are no liner notes). Others here will know more. /n Good for you, Crabgrass. Love to hear from you. edwardvoci@oal.com


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:32:27 CET 2003 from hvc-24-169-149-224.hvc.rr.com (24.169.149.224)

Posted by:

TBear

Location: Woodstock/Shady

Subject: Stones/HBO

Hey all, figured I'd give a shout in, anyone catch the Stones last night on HBO? It was a great show and I know NYC buzzes when they are in town. The show featured Blondie Chaplin, a good friend of Danko's and other Band members. Rick and Blondie used to gig together, I saw them many times in days gone. Garth played the y2k show in NYC with him. I was actually a little bittersweet watching, thinking that this band has been playing over 40 years and outlived The Beatles, Zeppelin, The Band etc etc etc. but they can still put on a awesome show, it's not the original 5, but a working band of 15 + to pull it all off. Get your rocks on! But, can someone do something about Sheryl Crow? She's everywhere! hahaha - Peace out - TBear


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:30:56 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

B Sam - a three-for, sorry

Location: ny

forgot - wipeout1960 at yahoodotcom


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:28:37 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: flapjacks

It's funny that someone mentioned flapjacks (pancakes around here) the other day. I remember thinking one time that The Band was like a nice stack of flapjacks. Picture the way a hot pile of them sits on a plate with melting butter on top - how well that all works together. Then the maple syrup flowing across the whole thing just locks it together.

The maple syrup is Garth by the way.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 16:22:48 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: more on the current climate - and an attempt to return to music

I think that running the risk of not enjoying rollies posts anymore is too great a risk to fool around with :-)

Crabby = I like some of the thought's you posted. That little paragraph you had after Plan C was right on and will hopefully make one or two folks take a look a themselves.It's interesting - we are fortunate that we have direct lines to some Band guys through people in here who know, or knew them. But some of those posters carry it MUCH better than others. I think the ones who don't flaunt it are the the ones that have - or had - a true freindship with that Band guy. The ones that think they're hot-shit (sorry for the curse Crabby) are not only annoying, but sad. You can decide who you are - or maybe you can't.

The person who posted as "Winey Viney" is a textbook example of someone trying very hard to get this place shut down. I'm sorry I even acknowledged it.

It's getting like a funeral service in here. Shit. Everyone is apologising and saying goodbye. How about we try to lift it up again and move onward with the feeling that Jan won't have to close up, and we be more aware in the future of what we need to do.

I would also think that Jagger deserves the "best frontman" title. We'd have to tip out hat to Tina Turner who was supossedly on the same bill with the Stones way back when, and gave Mick some advice and pointers on shaking it up on stage - and Tina can shake it like nobody else.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 15:20:55 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-122.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.122)

Posted by:

Serge

Subject: To "fine wine" VINEY

That last "Whiney Viney" was not mine. YOU are perpetuating the problem. Everytime you accuse me, I'll get on your ass. Now apologize to me, as you have done so often in the past, for assuming too much. I have never gone to Jan with a beef. Never. I don't have to. So stop your crap and go drink your "fine wine", and go find another captive audience to impress.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 14:46:43 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: The Band/R&R Hall of Fame

According to "This Day in Rock & Roll History" it was 9 years ago today that "The Band" was inducted into the "R&R Hall of Fame"


Entered at Sun Jan 19 14:45:33 CET 2003 from dialin-218-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.218)

Posted by:

Gene

Subject: DeepFreeze in Nueva York

Global Warming...my as*!!!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 14:43:48 CET 2003 from ts09-079.dublin.indigo.ie (194.125.174.79)

Posted by:

Mike

Location: Ireland
Web: My link

Just stumbled in on this site, looks great. The Band are my all-time favourite.....eh band. Or at least one of them. I will check back again definitely.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 12:46:41 CET 2003 from mcha-aj185.taconic.net (205.231.150.185)

Posted by:

Lil

Before I post what I came in here to post, I want to wish a very happy 13th birthday to my daughter Jessica, a constant source of happiness and laughter in my life. I love you!

I've been reading all the posts since yesterday, and I have a few things I'd like to say.
First, I'd also like to apologize to anyone I may have been nasty to in here. I'm going to make a conscious effort from now on to _not_ get riled, and if I find myself doing so, I'm shutting the computer off and finding something more constructive to do.
Second: I'd like to consider Jan's post from yesterday the final warning. I've mentioned to everyone here before that he's only been keeping this gb open for _us_, and I think he made very clear _his_ feelings about it. His life would be a whole lot simpler if he were to shut down all the interactive parts of this site (gb and chat room). So please... let's make him feel like giving us one more chance was worth it.
And lastly, as nice as all these apologies are, I think perhaps we should try and get back to what we all came here for in the first place. It seems that we're all feeling a little lost for direction right now, so I'd like to ask Mr Powell or Bones to please steer us in the right direction. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 11:56:09 CET 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: email addresses or lack thereof

Hey Crabgrass: I also think that restoration of email addresses would be a positive move for the return of a more harmonious GB; however Jan's weary sounding words convince me that nothing's going to save the GB this time.

While it might just be coincidence at work, it seems to me that the end of email addresses (and therefore the potential for personal contact with someone with whom you strongly agree or disagree) has taken some sense of fairness or responsibility away from people posting here. The GB feels more anonymous without email addresses, and it looks like some people just get on here now and shoot from the hip, in a way that I remember as only happening now and again a couple of years ago.

On a personal level, I used to enjoy personal messages from other posters via email. While you risk having the cynical and mean-spirited take a cheap shot at you if you comment publicly, its nice to share humorous, irreverent, or personal comments with one person who could be on something like the same wavelength as yourself. Having said that, I understand why the removal of the old email address format was necessary.

If the GB does get shut down, then like Brien said, thanks for the ride. It's been fun and informative.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 11:46:39 CET 2003 from du-tele3-065.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.65)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

The other way to keep things going is to ignore the troublemakers who seem to want to see this GB closed down. Two posts recently from the same person (using his trademark whiney & viney line, as so often before) were directed at me and were an attempt to keep the argument going. FYI, what I had said was "Don't go snivelling to Jan" … i.e. don't pester Jan with your private disputes. I have never done so. I think at my age saying "Teacher! Serge was nasty to me! Tell him off!" would be pathetic.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 11:06:01 CET 2003 from 1cust90.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.90)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Saving the Band Website!!

Well, I've been brainstorming all day, and am happy to report that I have devised several practical methods to save this website for future generations and ensure the continuation of the Guestbook!!

PLAN A - A small group of half a dozen or so of the more radical and adventurous Guestbook posters is sent to Norway. They journey to the quaint sleepy town where the educational institution which hosts The Band Website is located and during the night break into the chambers of the "admins," post a list of demands on the doors, barricade themselves inside, and chain themselves to the furniture. When morning arrives, the startled "admins" discover what has transpired and plead with the group who loudly sing protest songs and firmly state that they will not be moved until all their demands are met!! (These include free perpetual maintenance and upgrading of the Band website server, freedom of speech for all Guestbook posters (except for severe abusive insults), and tripling the webmaster's salary for the academic position which he holds -- as well as giving him an extra 6 weeks of annual vacation time. (Hey, this kind of tactic worked back in the '60s, so why not now?)

PLAN B - The Guestbook radicals "liberate" the web server from the school and kidnap the webmaster. Both are placed on a stolen barge which is towed out to sea and set adrift somewhere in mid-Atlantic waters. The server is hooked up to the internet via satellite and the webmaster is provided with a fishing pole and habachi in order to maintain indefinite self-sufficiency while keeping the site operational. Although this proves somewhat of a hardship, the webmaster decides to make the best of the situation simply because he loves The Band so much -- and also has a lot of time on his hands. (Somewhat complex logistically, but quite effective.)

PLAN C - Guestbook posters who have severely offended, namecalled, or insulted other posters apologize in the Guestbook and promise to refrain from such behavior in future. The "admins" are pleased and voluntarily give the webmaster a hefty pay raise for the performance of his academic duties plus a bonus for running the website. (Some posters have already chosen this method which is the least complicated to execute and least expensive.)

I find it curious and somewhat ironic that at least two of the most abusive, foul-mouthed, and ethnic-group-bashing posters (Yes, that's exactly who I'm referring to -- you guessed right!) happen to be longtime personal friends of original members of The Band. I view such behavior not only as a disservice to those members, but as an unflattering reflection upon them whether still living or not.

Personally, although I have certainly derided the views, tastes, and attitudes of other posters from time to time, I have from the start chosen not to mention other posters by name or directly insult anyone with obscenities or name calling. And I have mentioned by name only the webmaster himself (with whom I communicate occasionally by e-mail) and several posters that I have met in person. BTW I've never been seriously offended by any comments directed at me but then again I don't recall having to endure the severe and repeated barrage of foul-mouthed insults that some others have received.

As to why some posters have a need to use obscene language (for abuse purposes or otherwise) I can only speculate that they were severely repressed during childhood or maybe just never grew up. For those individuals who have a continuing need to see obscene words in print I suggest using a magic marker in public restrooms (hopefully not the same ones I occasionally use when nature calls). Kids occasionally read and post in the Guestbook - why should they have to view this kind of crudeness?

Lastly, and somewhat related, I suggest that a space to place e-mail addresses be once again restored to the "Sign the Guestbook" page. Not as before, so that robot programs can steal them for placement on junkmail lists but instead in a "fill-in-the-blanks" manner with the word "at" in the middle ( e.g. ___ at ___ ) so as to foil robots searching for the "@" sign. It shouldn't be "required" of course. If the page isn't altered in this manner obviously the thing to do if you wish other posters to communicate with you is to simply place a current e-mail address at the end of your post.

[Anyway, PLANS A, B, or C - take your pick!!]


Entered at Sun Jan 19 08:13:13 CET 2003 from (203.197.126.107)

Posted by:

Yazooman

Ooooops....I forgot. :)

Tanx to Gene, Ilkka, Kalervo, Steve Knowlton...


Entered at Sun Jan 19 07:56:56 CET 2003 from (203.197.126.107)

Posted by:

Yazooman

Subject: why o why ?

There are some people here who come from countries, where English is not the mother tongue, and where nobody knows The Band. For all those of us, this place was a wonderful meeting place where we learnt a lot, and where we tried to put in our small bit too, in whatever way we could. Its been a good time and I hope that things don't come to an end here. Some of us don't have any other place to talk The Band.

Personally I haven't really had a great time on my hand but over the 3 years (it seems so long now) that I have been here, I made some friends - Diamond Lil, Crabgrass, Calvin, Susan, Siegfried (still around?), Donna frm Philly (hieee...)and so on (even Bob Wigo with whom I had an argument once, but who was so gracious in his mails). There have been times when I haven't agreed to what they have said, but I don't hate/dislike them for that, and I haven't abused them for that. I think they are great people and I hope someday I shall be meeting them.

I am not going to advise anyone here for you are all smart people. So I'll just hope that you guys do what you think is right for you to do. It would be a pity if we died with regrets in our head.

Thanx Jan. Thanx all who helped.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 07:48:57 CET 2003 from ottawa-ppp3517239.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.110)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Where do we go from here? I have no way of knowing.

Now that everybody has said they were sorry, why don't we get back to the matter at hand, Peace, Love, and Music. As Andy R. used to say," Give you people an inch and you will try to measure it!" Spread the news, Pepete Rouge is coming to town.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 05:55:10 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

If this is the end, then I must say it has been fun! A good ride..., Thanks Jan for the wonderful opportunity to participate in a truly special phenomenon that is this site. Don't take the heat or blame for anything from the Admin.., this lies on all of us who came to this GB. We blew it! Take it one step further - I'd say that the majority of the abuse came from us Americans - Way to go gang - We showed the world proud!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 05:32:11 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Whiney Viney

I can almost guarantee that fifty percent of the e mails telling Jan how to run this site are from Viney!!! Jan, you know I love you but tell me I'm wrong.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 05:17:36 CET 2003 from dialup-67.27.107.8.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.27.107.8)

Posted by:

G-Man

Location: Land of Sun

Subject: Band Connection

Bobby Keys and Blondie C helpin the Stones out!! A litle Band/LHBB connection!! Jan don't let the _ hit lead to closin down the GB.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 04:20:36 CET 2003 from 1cust96.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (65.239.51.96)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: GB

Well, if Jan shuts this thing down,I'll never post in here again!!! And I'm not kidding.You watch!!!!!!


Entered at Sun Jan 19 04:05:52 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: correction

That should read Best FrontMEN on the subject.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 04:04:43 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Best Frontman

Mick Jagger is good yes, but Jim Morrison should be up there with him. :) Peace, Love, Music all. ==:::


Entered at Sun Jan 19 03:56:59 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: BEST FRONTMAN EVER

The discussion begins and ends with Michael Philip Jagger.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 03:25:31 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Who Knows

After my initial chastisement of Tenn I decided to mind by own business and stay out of this mess. But seriously folks, considering what Jan does to run this site, what he has to put up with from all of us-for some of us to then turn around and criticize him for not permitting free speech? Are you out of your freaking minds? This isnt a democracy, this is someone's "house" that we've been allowed to hang out in and shoot the breeze in for the last few years. If he doesnt want us cluttering up his living room with cr*p-respect the man and dont clutter.

I'd like to add my apologies to Bob's-if I've ever crossed the line and done something that hurt another in here, I am sorry, and I hope this GB goes on for many years.

On a musical note the second Souther, Hillman and Furay Album has been released on CD by the same wonderful lable that released the 3 Richie Furay Solo Albums.


Entered at Sun Jan 19 02:02:47 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: relevant words of wisdom

Isn't it a pity, Isn't it a shame

How we break each others hearts, and cause each other pain

How we take each others love, without thinking anymore

Forgetting to give back, Isn't it a pity.

Something's take so long, but how do I explain

When not too many people, can see we're all the same

And because of all their tears, they're eyes can't hope to see

The beauty that surrounds them - oh

Isn't it a pity -

George Harrison


Entered at Sun Jan 19 01:39:42 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: democracy, the future of this GB

This GB should not shut down for all the good reasons known to all. If Jan or his bosses don't want to or cannot continue to host, there should be an opportunity for an orderly transition to a new host (though figuring out exactly who will be the new host would prove to be a REAL treat)-- or maybe two hosts (one for Levonistas and another for Robertsonians).

My two cents on the future: the more democracy the better (thanks, Empty Now, for reminding us what this and other sites are really about). With very few exceptions, prohibition against expressing ideas and opinions is worse than the worst speech. To quote someone with whom I disagreed, "scroll on by" if you don't like the words or the source. If a post gets no response, that says something. If people choose to leave, that's their choice and a statement in and of itself. If people cannot defend what they say, that tells you something as well. But, for crissakes, let people say what they want to say, ESPECIALLY in a place devoted to giving people a say.

I'm a little surprised 1) that anyone would expect harmony on a website about five men who, altough once united in musical brotherhood, ultimately could not get along and 2) that a university (as a bastion of "academic freedom"), as I understand Jan's boss to be, can not tolerate a bit of rancour. To borrow from another time, "Let it all hang out."


Entered at Sat Jan 18 23:53:19 CET 2003 from dial2a-232.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.232)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Sounds like closing time's almost here

Bye....maybe see ya next time....last call for the Bearsville show hilennoxatdellmaildotcom.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 23:41:41 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Youth & Family Services

Will the last person out please take a quick look around for Amanda's children? She's misplaced them again.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 23:35:44 CET 2003 from bose-cp.bose.com (4.19.252.130)

Posted by:

The Great Bob Dylan

Subject: Idiot Wind

You'll never know the hurt I suffered

or the pain I rise above

and I'll never know the same about you

your holiness

or your kind of love

and it makes me feel so sorry


Entered at Sat Jan 18 23:05:38 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: For Fear The Opportunity May Be Lost

To all here whom I have ever directed any sarcasm or derision of any sort I offer my apologies. Specifically, to BEG, Bumbles, BWNWIT and Crabgrass, I am sorry for any posts that may have been hurtful in any fashion. We all arrived here for the same reason.

To all of the wonderful contributors here, including those listed above, I offer my heartfelt gratitude for the daily enlightenments. The information shared on this site is beyond magnificent. I am amazed each and every day. The scope of knowledge shared is nearly incomprehensible at times. Thank you for taking me to "places" I may never have found otherwise.

Beyond all of that....thank you Jan for all the hard work, patience, direction, and, above all, your love of The Band.

I sincerely hope the door will remain open but will understand if another decision is made.

Peace

rwigoataol.com


Entered at Sat Jan 18 22:52:21 CET 2003 from 12-243-212-169.client.attbi.com (12.243.212.169)

Posted by:

King Whistle

Location: Berlin, CT

Subject: GB

Well, in the event we do shut down, I would like to say the following (1) Thanks Jan. You have provided us a great opportunity to exchange ideas. I have looked forward to reading the postings here, daily, for years (tho less so recently, I must admit) (2) I appreciate the discussion here as they relate to the music. I ignore the other stuff. But I have been turned on to many records just from the expert discussion here. (3) If the GB goes down because of our folly, whether we have had good intentions or not, it is a shame. Shame on us.

God bless and good evening.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 22:31:33 CET 2003 from dax2.revealed.net (208.16.227.145)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Lil, you too?! Our principal (Sister Ann) was about as evil as they come. And Sister Rosalia (4th grade) was no picnic either. Of course, there were some good times. I think all of the "sisters" we had probably congregated together back in the dark ages, lol.

JTull, I love Boddingtons too. And Blue Moon Ale as well (w/an orange wedge). Not much of a drinker because I have too high of a tolerance for it. Better ways to use my money anyhow.

Jan,I surely hope this site and guestbook are not shut down. This is the one place I look forward to coming to. From Peter V., to Crabgrass (never thought I'd say that! lol) to Bayou Sam and everyone in between. It'd be a darn shame, that's no doubt. This site opened up my mind to The Band's catalog of recordings (official and otherwise). I'd hate to see it all go down the drain. A pity!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 22:29:55 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Brown Eyed Girl/Amanda & BWNWIT......there is shit enough in this world.......you're all fine persons.......step over yourself and grow up.........life's too short......(or someday you're sorry)



Entered at Sat Jan 18 22:24:47 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Pehr = I have a very talented, guitar playing uncle, who can play anything from Bach to Led Zep - and play it well. He was surfing the net looking at guitar articles, and he somehow came across your article on this site about Robbie's guitar techniques. He realized that it was on the Band site that I keep telling him about. He also really enjoyed the article alotand found it very informative.

Just thought you'd like to hear that - or read it.

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com (forgot to add that to my last post)


Entered at Sat Jan 18 22:18:18 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: random thought's about the recent goings on

"big boy's bickering, fucking it up for everyone" - Paul McCartney

That could read "big boy's AND girls" around here lately. These blow ups seem to happen every now and then, but it seems to also get worse every time. Looking at the last 25-30 of the last posts - there is an amazing mix. There are people carrying on the crap that should have gone over to e-mail AGES ago.....you have the morons who just love to stir up trouble..... the ones who scream that we should stop this, and then they procede to continue in here, then apologise at the end of a long post.....the ones who try to totally steer us back with posting about something like flapjacks (bless their hearts).

We KNOW what needs to be done, but I guess we can't help ourselves sometimes. we need to take control of this. But you don't need me to tell you that.

I think it's a shame when someone discovers this site during a period like this. What a terrible, and wrong first impression to get of this great place.

BTW - I'm not voting for Jan for President, or a Nobel Peace Prize. I vote that we give the guy a little respect, and courtesy, and we keep our own asses in line.

The saddest thing I've read in here recently was Jan saying "I don't care". If you take a little surf around this site you'll see that he really does care - deep down.

I think that if a post pisses you off, you can make a mature comment about it. Some fool today didn't like something Viney said, so they came in under a different name and blasted him. That's the shit that's not cool. Disagree - that's fine. But don't be nasty, mean, and vindictive. Then if it consumes you to the point of no return then take it to e-mail and spare us - and Jan.

There's alot to be said for ignoring. Someone (John W?) that asked why we let some of those recent political comments go by. Because we're tired of dragging it through the mud (or is it blood) again in HERE.

Am I the only one who has noticed the amazing restraint displayed by Rollie during some of those political posts? -AND the guy went to The Last Waltz. Wasn't that a man.

I love coming to this site every day. My life won't be an empty void if it shuts down - but I'll sure miss it alot, and be damn aggrivated at the dumbass reason for the shut down. I'm willing to do whatever my small part is to keep it keepin' on. ARE YOU?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 21:30:56 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Would the last one out.......please turn off the lights.

Thank you David Powell for your true passion for music and all the sharing you have done with us. Thanks for Diamond Lil for being Diamond Lil. Thanks to Butch for keeping the door open. For those who need to take meds......please do so. Thanks to Serge for not thinking I am a pathetic asshole. For those who joined either the Levon" team or the "Robertson" team; when if fact none of you were asked even to play by the principals......please hand in your ball & glove.

Jusqu'à ce que Nous Rencontrons Encore Mes Amis.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 21:04:13 CET 2003 from mcha-ag079.taconic.net (205.231.29.14)

Posted by:

Lil

Heheh.. good story Tull! It almost makes me want to tell the one about Sister Cecilia (who probably went into wrestling later in life) telling everyone not to push in line at recess, so someone pushed someone into her, and she pushed back, causing the domino effect which left me in a rose bush with my plaid skirt up over my head and my knee socks sticking out. But I won't tell it.
Maybe that's the whole problem here in the gb. No nuns!

Have a good afternoon everyone. Hug Jan.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 20:33:57 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Turn off your mind relax and float downstream...

Jan, I hope you don't think my last post was directed at you, but rather at those who harp on every little thing to launch into an angry diatribe. MIKE D. : Boddington's, eh? My favorite! Too bad I gave up beer 7 months ago. Funny Catholic school story at my expense: I was somewhat chubby (ok, I was FAT) back in grade school, and one day while reaching for a ball on the far end of the playground (and Sister Ethel ALWAYS made us go out, even if it was minus 20 degrees and we got frostbite)I ripped my gray uniform pants all the way down the entire seat of my pants. So I had the embarrasment of walking all the way to the office with my hands trying to cover up best I could. Then my dad, who worked the night shift, brought me a pair of blue jeans to wear the rest of the day.So of course, when I finally changed and made it to class out of uniform, EVERYBODY new what happened. Fortunately, in high school I got in shape and to this day run 5 miles a day 5 times per week, and the kids who laughed at my expense, well some of them can't even walk up two flights of stairs. TULL SITE: I go by 'BandFan' out there, and got an email asking about the Richard Manuel cd! I directed this person to this site, so if you meet them, be nice! There email was '.il'. I wonder what country that is. EMPTY NOW: Please have a speedy recovery!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 20:28:55 CET 2003 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Pehr

Location: Caledonia you are a sweetie!

Subject: Where else will I be able to go to discuss Link Wray?

Levon, Butch and Jim W.: Tour Texas!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 20:19:29 CET 2003 from du-tele3-033.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.33)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Just before we go … I’m trying to evaluate in my own mind the value and purpose of this GB. When it was first put up, it was probably “sign in to prove you’ve visited and where you’re from.” Then discussion started. Over 7 or 8 years, there has been a huge amount of Band-data that probably couldn’t have been garnered any other way exceot by having an open GB. Reviews, articles, session information, critical opinions, live shows, links to a huge number of news pieces, biodata, photos … all of it has flooded in and been processed in one way or another here. Even this week, I posted news of a hitherto unknown 1972 Garth & Rick session with von Schmidt. Yesterday, Bill posted a fascinating piece on ‘Daniel & The Sacred Harp’ (which got ignored totally in the fighting). As the years have rolled past, the data gathering has got thinner, and critical discussion has often turned into argument. Our hosts – eventually the university- are wondering about these guests and whether perhaps we’ve overstayed our welcome. The thing is, however much we bicker, this GB is still a conduit for information, and in research terms such a conduit has its value. What was once a flood of data and criticism, is now a trickle. So do you shut off the tap, point proudly at the tank it’s filled, and say ‘we’ve got it all now’ or do you let it trickle on, getting ever more brackish and dirty as it hits the muddy base of the well, or do you install a filter to clean up what’s still coming through? But that filter needs hours and hours of maintenance. I see Jan’s dilemma. I think that us taking more responsibility for what we let roll down the pipe is the best hope.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 20:00:08 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: THE BAND

I posted earlier that this GB is a perfect model of democracy and i was really believing it. Theorethicising about democracy, it import less to cut some posts than the posters must apply a primer ethics rules of communication. I am really not the right person to preach anything, but my sensibilty increased seriously as my health fell, and i am ACTUALLY suffering to see any person here in the GB importuned in any manner.

Any one here observed that my gotha in music is in decreasing order Dylan, Jackson Browne, Kansas and The Band (Neither Levonistan Nor Robertsonnian, perhaps Dankoian I shall meet soon). I rediscovered The Band (through TLW) fortuitously in the hotest phase of the Algerian civil war, beneeth bombs, attacks, slained babies, and all the unhuman images you watched on the news. I dont wish to any one to live this ambiance, but in this case you easily understand why i was watching the movie for days, not as a refugee but as a SALVATION. All of fhese guys are magic, they are cool, they are good in the human sense and in the musical one. While you have not lived those instants, you underate what you own in your hands at the present moment. Cause anyone can imagine how happy i was the day i discovered this site, more exactly the GB, for the music first, and also hoping at least that some of The Band magic is here arround. I am not a pacemaker, but i guess i am becomming it at long. I was in the middle of the linguistic conflict in Belgium in late sixteens, i was in the islamist conflict in Algeria, enough enough.....,

Little misplaced words or dirty posts are nothing worthy comparatively to what we are likely to lose. I sincerly never felt a form of agression, sexism or racism anywhere in the posts. Come on where i’m in at this very moment, you’ll see what racism, sexism and aggression are. Long life Jan and thank you for all what you are doing

Amanda please, BEG I beg you


Entered at Sat Jan 18 19:59:23 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Question

Is there any footage of The Band's performance at Woodstock or any footage of them reunited (minus R.R.)?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 19:40:17 CET 2003 from dialin-705-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.197)

Posted by:

Gene

Of course, nothing can or will ever equal Jan's most splendid GB. However, everything put together by man (or woman) eventually comes apart. Think of the Yahoo group as a 'bomb shelter' where we might gather and await further instructions if our webhost ever lowers the bloom.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 18:45:27 CET 2003 from dialin-705-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.197)

Posted by:

Gene

Web: My link

Subject: alt guestbook

Me...I'd hate to see this guestbook shut down, it has happened before and I've experienced 'guestbook withdrawl'. Psychodramas and all, it's the best dang site on the interweb!

Therefore, in the tradition of that fine institution, the Yahoo Group: 'Bandtrades', I've taken the liberty of forming a new Yahoo Group: 'The Bandguestbook' for discussion of The Band, it's music, it's history, associated artists and related topics. Please feel free to check it out and join, if you like. You probably have to sign up for membership at Yahoo Groups first, but you can give totally bogus informations when you do, like I did. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thebandguestbook/


Entered at Sat Jan 18 18:27:23 CET 2003 from 1cust168.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.168)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Depression

My copy of Brown has a green label and I bought it when it first came out. Didn't know about the orange or would have sought one in order to make my collection complete. Now I'm depressed!!

Also, depressed to think that I still haven't figured out how to play the intro to "The Weight" correctly although I've had more than 30 years to do it. It annoys me to see Hank Wedel play it so well. Maybe he can send the tab for it to Jan for inclusion in the site so I can learn it before the site is permanently closed down.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:55:34 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-011castocp0246.dialsprint.net (63.187.104.246)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: THe Band (Brown album)

I can't believe an old sage like myself would ask this question,but which pressing came out first, the light green label, or the orange label?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:39:13 CET 2003 from c143wn2.wifi.halden.net (194.69.211.143)

Posted by:

jh

All domain blocks have been removed from the guestbook and the chat room programs. It doesn't work anyway, as people just change ISPs. What _does_ work is a moderated guestbook, as we had for a while some time ago, but I'm not going to spend more time or energy on this c**p.

Post whatever you want, then, I don't care, and I stopped reading everything _years_ ago, anyway. I'm afraid we won't have this place around much longer, though. As mentioned earlier, the admins at the college that owns the servers and the equipment here is not very happy about hosting something like this.

And remember that _none_ of you have any right to demand _anything_ from me. I'm _very_ tired of all the e-mails telling me how to run this site and what to do and not to do. All e-mails about these matters will go directly into the trash can.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:39:02 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: GARTH & MAUD... Hubert Sumlin

Any news reviews about the recent shows by Garth & Maud? I just noticed that Hubert Sumlin guested with the Rolling Stones at Madison Square Gdns.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:27:14 CET 2003 from (64.208.185.61)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Not sure yet-I'm going to "wing" it

(burp.)

Ah, morning has broken and, like Francis Scott Key, I'm glad to see our "banner" is still waving. You realize, of course, that Jan is probably on the brink of shutting this whole thing down. That's what's happened in the past: he'll give us warning and then he WILL carry through on it unless we stop all this nonsense. Since his last warning, I think the fighting has gotten worse.

I've already had my war in here. Looking back, it was a mistake, but it's POSSIBLE that I had an influence on my crazy alter-ego Gen. John Wayne. I thought bombing Serge's backyard was carrying it too far, but Gen. Wayne was out of control. The war ended with a single casualty: Serge's Chocolate Lab took a direct hit and I'll have to live with that. As for Gen Wayne, he died a couple of years ago, the last survivor of the War of 1812.

The difference between that "war" and this one going on now is that I always had a certain respect for Serge, even in the middle of the fray. I was really trying to show just how ridiculous all this gb fighting was, I always tried to portray Gen. Wayne as a gung-ho war monger who had a screw loose. In truth, I don't believe in war. I don't believe in violence (unless it's to protect myself). I DO believe that you have to forgive, to let things go. If you can't, then the battles should be fought via e-mail. That's what Serge and Peter did. Others have followed this same course. Take it outside, please. It's all spelled out for you by Jan on top of the gb entry page.

I'm not about to get in the middle of all these spats, I'm not gonna touch it. I really don't care, it's up to YOU to work it out. What does puzzle me is why some people feel they have to side with either Levon or RR. That's not our fight. I respect both of them a great deal, although I admit Levon has always been my favorite Band member. Another thing that puzzles me is why all of the sudden a lot of shit is being thrown at Peter Viney. Peter has done a lot for this gb, as has Serge. Peter has always taken the "high road" in his postings. What did he do wrong? He tried to restore harmony in here, and he got tarred and feathered. I suppose I'm next, but I'd prefer you go after Peter. I fall apart when people get angry with me.

All of this bad feeling reminds me of a story Sredni told me (he's got a lot of stories) when I was driving him back home after a gig last fall. It seems that whenever the boys would walk into a bad gig (the money's short, they want a longer set, etc.) Levon would turn to his band and yell out "I thought we all agreed we weren't gonna get horse-f***ed again."

How 'bout we lighten up?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:18:54 CET 2003 from mcha-af042.taconic.net (205.231.30.41)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Mike D: Another catholic school alumnus here..8 years.. (and I think I had that same nun that Tull mentioned :-)


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:14:26 CET 2003 from mcha-af042.taconic.net (205.231.30.41)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: And now for something completely different

Did anyone else catch the network movie on JFK Jr this past week? (I can't remember which network has been airing it, but it's not a major one). A mediocre movie at best (which I knew it would be since it just wasn't possible to cast anyone as good looking as the real thing :-) I did find it interesting though that Jackson Browne's attorneys are asking that the movie be pulled until references to his alleged abuse of Daryl Hannah are removed from it. In the film he's reffered to only as "Jackson" (no last name given). I wonder if this is what they call a loophole?

is anyone else planning to try to make the 'intimate evening with Garth' in March in Woodstock? I've already cleared my calendar and am truly looking forward to it. I wish I had more time for live music in my life.

JTull Fan: (Hi!).. Again, the foresight to store e-mail addresses before they were taken out of here wasn't mine, so could you please mail me when you have a moment? Thanks. d_lil at hotmail dot com

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 17:10:22 CET 2003 from bob38.revealed.net (208.16.227.41)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: JTullFan

JTull,

You come form a catholic school too? I didn't think anyone could relate. Boy did they ever try to get us kids to think alike and even dress alike. And lest I not forget the dress codes of a very strict order! Dress slacks, solid color shirts and that's it. Sneakers or tennis shoes were the only allowance.

I've moved beyond that and into an adult life with a wonderful wife, son and another on the way in March. Like everyone here, I've got responsibilities and a career/job. Recent activity here in the guestbook (no matter where fault lies), makes me realize just how short life is and what is really important. Any attacking of kids verbally or otherwise is going over the line. I'm a harmless person by nature but if my family were to be harmed...well, you get the picture.

In a rare instance, I FULLY (usually it's only partial)agree with Peter V. To sit down, have a drink and laugh at this absurdity might be just what is needed. And a big slice of humble pie too as well. I'll take a pint of Boddington's Bitter Ale instead of that wine Peter. or is that not an option? Maybe a little of Love And Mercy for one and all.

Mike


Entered at Sat Jan 18 16:45:21 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Look at Viney

See what Viney wrote: "Four- the more I think about it , if the Levonistas are a reflection of Levon, no wonder Robbie went west and got a life."

I think this kind of rancorious statement tells you all you need to know about Viney's stupid ass. Levon may not be Armani rich but at least he never forgot where he came from and who or what got him there.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 16:34:48 CET 2003 from dialup049-a.ts552.cwt.esat.net (193.203.156.49)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Take what you need....and leave the rest!

The Civil War.......... indeed!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 15:48:14 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Getting tired

It used to be that this GB would boil over, we'd step back from the brink, and things would be fine for at least a month or two before it happened again. Now the shit is recurring every few days. Then we get assinine posts that say 'don't say this, or that will happen, don't say that or this other thing will erupt..' Well F*** IT! Are we mature, openminded adults or a bunch drooling imbeciles? I grew up spending 8 long years in repressed catholic school, with F****** Sister Ethel, Queen of the Thought Police, on our backs, always worried if this or that priviledge would be taken away should someone step out of line. Well, I am a professional, responsible, married adult now with career and responsibilities, and I will be G**damned if I am going to willingly subject myself to similar worries ever again. I love most of you and tolerate some, but if this site shuts down I've got the Tull site, and music actually is discussed out there along with other things, and none of this crap going on. And if somebody wants to make a wisecrack on that...


Entered at Sat Jan 18 14:58:36 CET 2003 from du-tele3-007.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.7)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Peace pipe

Peace … most of you in here I don’t know. I don’t even know BWNIT’s name for that matter. BWNIT and I had never made contact in fact. A lot of you I contact separately and count as cyber friends. And I count BEG as a very good cyber-friend, whatever you want to hint at, none of us agree all the time. I don’t want to see anyone out of here, not even Serge (well, sometimes Serge, but only for ten minutes then I cool down), and most certainly not Amanda. When the offending post got deleted, I had a post written saying that there is a line you never step over and that’s attacking family, and within that especially kids. I didn’t post because when I went back on line to do so, it had gone, and there was then no need. I kept right out of this dispute. I was saddened to see BWNIT go, because I think it was misdirected sense of humour, not malice. What annoyed me this morning was seeing Serge- who it had nothing to do with – crowing about it. I also think BEG walked into considerable anger and cross-fire that she did not deserve. What I posted earlier was more or less a repetition of what Jan has at the top of the “Sign the GB” page, not my rules, but fair rules from our host that I agree with. I’ve always been pleased to see Amanda’s posts, delighted she had a great time seeing Levon, and hope that she will stick around. No ill-feeling on my side, just irritation that this has spiralled beyond a sensible level, and there seemed way, way too much aggro in the air. You know us Robertsonians – we’re always ready to offer the pipe of peace. Let’s set a good example to our subject matter and put this in the past. I wish we could all sit and share a bottle of wine and laugh at ourselves. My next post will be about music. If anyone really wants to continue the argument, my e-mail address is on the most recent article.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 14:35:47 CET 2003 from jed12.revealed.net (208.23.178.107)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Yikes!

I have been semi-abest here lately. I do not fully know what's been happening here with GB'ers being banished, leaving, etc...I think that is a little sad to see people go. Then again, that's a fact of life. Can someone clue me in as to what happened here?

Negative times like these remind of just why I come here to this guestbook. And they also remind me of why I sometimes don't come here. It'd be a sad day if this guestbook were shut down wouldn't it?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 14:13:32 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-225.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.225)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: p.s. for peter and then I'm ooooooout of here

I will say one thing to you, Peter, as not to make the last note too sour. You do know your Band stuff--however much I don't agree with many of your perceptions. Your articles have taught me plenty about The Band and have led me to think about or see things that I might not have without them.

One more thing I want to share here about Levon and The Band. I have a child who has a disability and I have used The Band's powerful songs as music therapy. This child of mine will stop everything and come as close to the music as he can--especially when he hears the haunting soulfulness of Levon's voice--he is never more angelic. I have so many reasons to be thankful for The Band and for Levon.

God Bless


Entered at Sat Jan 18 13:57:45 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-225.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.225)

Posted by:

Amanda

Good try--Peter. I can't believe you have so little grasp on so many situations--calling me an aggressor. Of course--the reason why is that I don't buy most of the crap you are peddling and you know it. I've never fallen at your feet, nor hung on your every word or agreed with your Robertsonian hogwash. Now your citing rules for everyone and putting people in their proper categories--a favorite pastime of yours. I have way too much of the Arkansas scrapper in me to run to ANYONE to keep me safe. In fact, your lovely friend chose himself, to go after my kids instead of yours truly because of lack of morals--familiar with that term? I didn't ask Jan to banish anyone, nor have I in the past. I would think twice if I were you, about defending the ever so honest and forthright BEG--she once wrote to me in an email that you were not one of her favorites here. As far as the Levonista/Robertsonian thing--I have always been honest, truthful, mostly kind and with total lack of pretention. I feel like I have done Levon proud here on this GB--my only reason for posting was mainly to give respect to him as the leader of The Band. I'm a feisty thing--thats a fact--a quality that has always been admired about me--not considered aggressive. Robbie, I think, would probably feel sad to know the caliber of some of his greatest fans. It figures it would turn out this way. Whatever--think what you want--you and everyone else. I know who I am and I've got so much energy to share. I love Levon and what he said about me--that is something none of you have and you can never take it from me. It all came full circle when Butch posted that lovely message. When the weather cleared for two whole days up north--just for me--that meant something. Many of you folks have been so good to me--you have made me laugh and cry and you have shared--when a person lays their soul on the line--that takes courage--and I am appreciative. I can hang around here and fuss and fight for eternity, but the time has come to break my almost seven year GB participation habit. Thanks, Jan--for everything--and as one of my favorite GBers has told me in the past--Don't let the bastards get you down.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 12:19:01 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.102)

Posted by:

Empty Now

And also Ed, Richie, Yazooman....waiting for you..... BEG, Amanda ...I fear not understanding what is going on, BEG: that's none of my business, but i will be much more empty now if i really understood your last post, this place is wonderful....even Mummy Omar is sympathetic


Entered at Sat Jan 18 11:31:41 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.97)

Posted by:

Empty Now

A litle corner of paradise : Thanks Voci for informations.

Old time religion : It was good for Mummy Omar, It is not good for me

Looking for the author and the title of a 70-80 song i forgot, if someone can help me. It begins like:
2:4
C - G - A min - E min
F - G - A min
‘And I know you’re feeling good when all the friends are there
And I like to see the sunshine in your smile’
Hello Tennessee! Roz, Where are you ?(thats not in the song)

Politics: Jan for Prrrrrresident !!!! heeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 11:06:08 CET 2003 from du-tele3-068.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.68)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Aggression

Some people just won't let it go, will they? Look at Serge's crowing post, look at how Amanda tries to pick a fight with BEG over nothing, then comes back to it, and then comes back to it again - the aggressors are clear here.

Rule one- keep your personal disputes off here.

Two- when they blow up (as they will) USE E-MAIL not the GB.

Three- if that fails, remember it's just electrons on a screen, and don't go snivelling to Jan to fix your disputes for you. I don't go snivelling about Serge.

Four- the more I think about it , if the Levonistas are a reflection of Levon, no wonder Robbie went west and got a life.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 07:53:08 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I like blue berries in my pancakes Lars... I haven't posted with my usual regularity lately because, yes Ed, I've been consuming massive amounts of Pizza Tapes... all in my Jeep, outside on very cold roads, colder than in here... alone and consumed by cabin fever... but alas I'm back... and tomorrow have to call about both lights being out, my backdoor lock never having worked in the first place... and a badly needed oil change... I'm praying for above zero temps so I can attempt to wash the salt that has established a new white color on my green Jeep... I'm also so taken by this Grisman/Garcia stuff that I will soon require a pizza sign of some sort to go on top of the Jeep... anyway, I hope everybody settles down in this close cabin/pink house... because we still got some winter left... lastly, thanks for thinking of me John D... Thur I took the family out to a local art opening (I had 1 landscape entered) and we had a blast listening to the entertainment, a blues harmonica player unaccompanied... the kids danced up a storm... raided the buffet table... and didn't damage any valuable art... now my wife and I are going to see if we can find a good local coffeeshop that maybe does acoustic shows at 6 or 7pm and establish a musical family night out..... I'm also eyeing up 3/8 buhahahaaa... daydreaming heavily about what weird driving route I could take to do a quick in/out once I clean up my pizza jeep... ga-nite all...


Entered at Sat Jan 18 07:27:17 CET 2003 from dialup-65.56.33.148.dial1.newyork1.level3.net (65.56.33.148)

Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: Whispering Pines-Dar williams &Cliff Eberhardt

After hearing Dar Williams & Cliff Eberhardts version of "Whispering Pines" several times now I must say this is one of the best covers of anybody covering the Band that i've heard. Just curious if anybody else whose heard it yet and what they think of it?

Dave Z. : did you get Garcia-Grisman - The Pizza Tapes yet?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 07:14:44 CET 2003 from 1cust241.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.241)

Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Tsk! Tsk! Can't we all just get along?

Allah be praised!!!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 06:54:24 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Flapjacks

Lars...now you've gone and done it!! My stomach is growling for some flapjacks, smothered in maple syrup. Is it morally wrong to eat flapjacks in the afternoon?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 06:48:18 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-225.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.225)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: beg

Give me a break---you really show how nutso you are with the DRIBBLE you just posted. I didn't accuse you of being a partner in BWNWIT's evil display--you just kind of admitted to it on your own--didn't you? Get a life and get a grip--SISTER.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 06:48:30 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I was thinking about The Band at Woodstock, and those great ad-libs that Levon throws in during Rick's verse on "The Weight" - "what'd you say", and "yeah me too".

Funny stuff.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 06:38:29 CET 2003 from (64.208.176.162)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the house back in the woods

Subject: two above zero

So...who else could go for some flapjacks right about now?


Entered at Sat Jan 18 06:03:14 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3613106.sympatico.ca (65.93.194.219)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Last Post To Amanda

I guess I had a good teacher Amanda........I refuse to discuss personal conflicts in here.....The people in here who know how hard I work with children would never believe your dribble......It's been my life's work Amanda.....Especially when children have disclosed any kind of abuse or inequities...............Surely you at least knew that about me.........If you didn't...........(I also was the only one last year who posted Birthday greetings to your twins when it was their Birthday because that celebration has always meant the most to me and I knew at that time that you'd appreciate the post as well)........

You can email Jan if you would like to banish me as well....Although I have posted about all Band members......You'd get rid of not one but two posters who really appreciate Robbie as an artist and someone who made a difference with The Band and who inspires some Band fans......Sure you can get rid of the posters and you can try and tarnish Robbie's reputation and mine in cyber space and with people who I have met from the site......But you can never kill our spirit......I will always have a passion for music and I will always be an advocate for children whether I continue to post or not....Btw.....You have judged me for being buddies with Tenn.....What about the racist friends you give accolades to?..............

I apologize everyone for this post.....I don't know if it's because we are having a strike vote at the end of the month and our slogan is "Enough is Enough".....but unfortunately.....I feel...."Enough is Enough" here as well......At least last night at Massey Hall our Federation leader was up on stage and started by saying that he had great memories of seeing Bob Marley and The Wailers right on the same stage.....I think I'll relax by listening to Bob right now because of his positive vibrations............

Anyway, I'll just lastly sing along with one of our faves Dylan right now...."Good-bye is too good a word. So I'll just say fare thee well".......


Entered at Sat Jan 18 05:54:49 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-022castocp0151.dialsprint.net (65.178.96.151)

Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: A history of the Band (for beginners)


Entered at Sat Jan 18 05:37:48 CET 2003 from mcha-ah002.taconic.net (205.231.30.49)

Posted by:

Lil

I just finished reading the current posts, and I'd like to add something.
Jan told us all several weeks ago that his employer (who _owns_ this site) was not happy about some of what was being posted in here. He rarely ever comes in here to admonish anyone, he's been amazingly patient and (luckily for us) has a wonderful sense of humor. Faced with a warning from his employer, who has the power to make The Band guestbook nothing more than a memory, appeasing the situation was first and formost. Whatever decision he made was to keep something he's put his heart and soul into for so many years up and running. He's always been fair-minded, and has, for all intents and purposes, stood in the background here while letting us all run amok time and time again over the years. He doesn't practice nepotism or favoritism.. this is _his_ site.. and the rest of us are merely guests here. He's made very few 'unpopular decisions' over the years...and put up with more crap than any of us would. He's a dear friend of mine, and seeing him put down in here after all he's given really makes me livid. If you don't like decisions that _we_ forced him into making..leave. But don't ever accuse him of being anything less than he is. Thanks.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 05:06:00 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

sharon inebnit nuttle

Location: oklahoma via marvell arkansas

Subject: hello to cousin levonne

hello levonne think of you often.i am wishing you sucess and hope you are well and doing good ..havent been home in years and have not heard how you are . amy looks very pretty i know you are proud of her..your cuz sharon email is chelshar13at aol dot com..I havent even seen dale in years either..take care of yourself!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 05:01:38 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: Good for Jan

Good for Jan! HE owes no one an explanation for his actions. Tenn, you should be grateful for a notice - because really, what rights do you think you're entitled too.

I always wonder if those who bark the loudest on these pages are the ones who are the least noticed in life? Not in all cases mind you but in consistant tones and rants.., I must admit, I have found myself typing long responses and then opting not to submit them. I wonder if others have done this? Earlier today in fact I wrote close to a thousand word response to John W's question about why we didn't go to Baghdad. I chose not to submit it - because in all actuality, it has little relevance in the scheme of things. Besides, I'm trying to lay low/off on hot topics.

If I had the skills, I think this site would make an excellant psychological case study on internet realtions.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 04:34:00 CET 2003 from dialup-63.215.114.87.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.114.87)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Songbooks

I've been able to score all the songbooks on ebay. Some pricey, some not. Just keep track as they come up with some regularity.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 04:21:52 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-225.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.225)

Posted by:

Amanda

I wouldn't have cared if BWNWIT had said anything about me--called me any name in the book. I am SWEET as sugar, but I'm TOUGH and I do have the COURAGE to fight back at all costs. I made a big mistake mentioning my children on a public guestbook--yeah--that's right. However, that does not make innocent children fair game for paybacks. As we see everyday in our society--children are the least respected form of human life on this planet.

Brown Eyed Girl--your cruel friend ISN'T a match for me--I never would have stooped so low--YOU, on the other hand, understand that sort of behavior better than me.

BTW--Mr. Viney, your dear compadre never apologized to me. I was up quite early the morning BWNWIT posted (the post Jan deleted). In case some of you didn't see the post--that wonderful human being, BWNWIT, wrote that he wasn't going to apologize because he hadn't heard that my kids were dead. Kind words from a fine gentleman--I'm so glad some of you are proud to be his bosom buddy and would gladly stand up in his defense. I wonder how any of you would have felt if you had been in my place or if I would have stood up for the likes of such a sad soul as BWNWIT????

Cruel, hateful behavior--over a pizza story--that someone else in fact wrote as a nasty jab at Levon--I only replaced and added actors. The main ingredient for all the animosity towards me is my admiration of Levon Helm. The fact that I have always given him respect is a source of agitation for most of you. Oh well--he will always be the best thing about The Band to me. Why that bothers so many of you, I can't imagine.

I actually don't communicate very much with GBers via email. As for Jan--I think I have written him maybe five emails within a year--those were usually questions or thank yous. Jan is a good man with children of his own--maybe he did put himself in my place for a brief moment. I admire him for taking the high road and if some of you don't--maybe you should stop and ponder why honorable actions don't mean much to you. When the least of us is threatened--we are all at risk. Any one of you may need a keen eye looking out for you one day--I hope you can appreciate it the way I have.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 04:01:47 CET 2003 from dialup-63.215.114.87.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.114.87)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I would reiterate that Jan is the boss and we all owe him much.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 03:50:05 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It must be a major league bitch for Jan to deal with this friggin site sometimes.

Do ya think that when Jan started this wonderful homage to his favorite band, he ever thought that he'd actually have to stop someone from using it and enjoying it? It's a damn shame that WE, the posters, let it get to that point sometimes.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 03:25:02 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: 'Cross the Green Mountain

Subject: That Dylan Song From "Gods and Generals"

AOL has an "exclusive" preview of the new Dylan song from that Civil War movie, "Gods and Generals." Titled "'Cross the Green Mountain," the track is one of Dylan's best-sung songs in some time and the Garth-like organ and lilting violin accompaniment make it one of the most melodic recordings that old Bob has put out in quite a while, too.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 03:14:11 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3613106.sympatico.ca (65.93.194.219)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I emailed Back With Wit In Tenn and told him that he went over the imaginary line when you post about someone's children.....Children are sacred and innocent of the actions or posts of their parents.....I have worked with children since I was 16 years old.....I have always been an advocate for children......

However.....that doesn't excuse the racist or personal beratements here either......Most of us have pissed off someone in here if we say controversial or emotional things....Some of us were willing to resolve misunderstandings or hurt feelings or apologize privately and then move on.....Unfortunately, some people are not emotionally willing to communicate.....They continue to berate in a public forum as if they are all knowing in the same way they accuse other posters......and then are shocked when they finally meet their match......Like Peter Viney and Pat Brennan....I also wasn't asked who should get bannished from the Guest Book.....


Entered at Sat Jan 18 02:40:48 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Pat, I insist that you leave Vince Foster alone until you have at least solved filegate; but nice sentiment. Whooa, the straw men are being thrown up around here for our sort of President like they are going out of style. Of course, this shocked, SHOCKED response to W supposedly being responsable for 9-11( WHO said this?) is a cover for what the evidence DOES strongly suggest: the hapless Rice was duely warned that such an attack was going to take place, and She looked the other other way and blew it. You can hardly blame the Bush people, however, why, these warnings were coming from Satan's limo driver, the crown Prince of all that is spotted and loathsome, a guy who has been known to hang out with black people...dare we say his name and evoke the powers of darkness? BILL CLINTON.

It's possible that nothing could have prevented 9-11, an investigation by a White House not trying to cover it's miserable hinie sure would have helped us know. Like one NOT headed by Dr. Strangelove. Some are saying Tull's boy has got pre-9-11 approval ratings.... not good for the pityable Oil Trust HE VERY MUCH DOES REPRESENT. What absurd invasions......

I hate to see anyone get the hook, in fact, I miss Roz... if your out there, stop feeling sorry for yourself and pony up to the bar. Lucky for you, stupidity's not a hanging matter....

BAND SONGBOOKS: PINK/BROWN, STAGEFRIGHT, ROCK OF AGES/ BASEMENT TAPES, and NORTHERN LIGHTS were all issued as songbooks with the sheet music. The collection of the first two albums, which has great photos, was going for a lot in good condition on ebay some time back, but prices have really come down (in the rotten economy of the Bush Watch, then there's the middle east... but the same "liberal" Press who manufactured the Whitewater "Scandel" mostly gives him a pass....)


Entered at Sat Jan 18 01:06:27 CET 2003 from (63.164.145.33)

Posted by:

Caledonia

JTull Fan: A belated thank you for your thoughtful advice regarding my potential move from NY to CA. I appreciate it.

Pehr: Welcome back! In case you thought no one noticed that you had disappeared from the GB ... I noticed. You were definitely missed.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:53:48 CET 2003 from h-68-164-13-148.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.13.148)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: BWNWIT

Very unfortunate. Jan's the boss, and no one asked me.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:48:15 CET 2003 from du-tele3-119.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.119)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Sadly …

When the landlord speaks, it’s hard for us old regulars sitting in the corner dribbling into our beer (or rather fine red wine in my case), because like in any house, the host has to have final say on his guests. He pays the rent and heating bills and does the cleaning up after we’ve all had our fun. I read it all and am extremely sad about it. The kids thing caused a great ruffling of feathers, because it was over the top, but he did apologize –in my personal opinion, in soccer terms it was a yellow card offence (warning) not a red card one (sending off). Having watched BWNWITenns posts for many years he has an acerbic wit which I appreciate, but genuinely no ill intent. From the velour seats in the Lounge Bar, we regulars do see some other fellows in the Public Bar cursing and swearing and indeed making racist comments with impunity as they spit into the sawdust. Personally, I’d hope for a last-minute appeal on video evidence (Al will explain these cultural references for you all) leading to an acquittal. Put me down as a character witness for the defence.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:18:51 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

For some reason I finally noticed the "take whay you may need" line in "Daniel And The Sacred Harp" and its similarity to the "take what ya need" line in "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". That made think a bit more about how both songs have the father and the two sons. And I guess there's a moral ambivalence too - explicit in Daniel, implicit in Dixie.

Listening to Dixie again reminded me to remark on the "raise a Caine" pun - which St Bruce was to borrow for "Adam Raised A Cain". I suppose I could try dragging "Ain't No More Cane On The Brazos" into the conversation too, but won't.

Back to Daniel, did he expect a lyre or a harmonica, and did he get what he was expecting? Imagine sending away for a lyre and then opening the box to find a harmonica! (Shades of Roch Carrier's "The Sweater".) Of course Daniel looked "quite satisfied" on receipt, so I guess he wasn't disappointed, whatever it was he got. If "he blew [it] across the meadow", wouldn't that suggest a harmonica? I know Howlin' Wolf and others say things like "blow your top" or "let's blow" when they mean simply "let's play really hard", but a guy by himself on a hilltop wouldn't be the same thing.

I also reread Peter Viney's fine essay on Daniel. When I got to the second Robbie Robertson quote I wondered how Robbie saw himself in terms of the song - what did he see himself giving up, what did he see himself receiving in return (if anything in addition to the ability to play well), what did he see himself sentenced to? In answer to the question, how did you get what you got, Robbie used to tell aspiring copycats that they should soak their guitars in milk, or slit their speakers, or push a special button on the guitar (aka, the Robbie button).

I like Peter's drawing in of Grossman, and management generally. I can imagine the guys agreeing that meeting the suits felt like being Daniel in the lion's den, and then - because like most of us they'd have jumbled memories of bible stories from Sunday school - confusing that with the music, the fire and Nebuchadnezzar.

[How did the sackbut get there? Was there an old instrument of that name? Beginning around 1950 there was an early sythesizer (a Moog competitor) by that name developed in Ottawa - a project that lasted well into the 1970s, with the main proponent, besides the inventor, being Peter Jermyn, ex of Luke and the Apostles.]

I now find it of some interest that the main instrumental section in the song is neither harp nor harp - suggesting, I guess, that we should take none of it too literally.

Another thought was that the moral of the song is so much like that of the Pied Piper story, "The Monkey's Paw" and Nilsson's "The Rainmaker" - whose Kansas sort of fits too.

I'd also say tat the father's advice sounds more like that of a dad than a diety. And that the "blew across the meadow like a whippoorwill .. just to pass the time" seems like an echo of those many nothing summer days that Robbie must've spent in the fields (meadows) of the Six Nations Reserve during his visits there as a boy.

One final note - to Peter - is that I think of when Robertson would have found himself "playing the cowboy". The 19th century farmer or worker maybe, but a guy in chaps - not!


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:14:22 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-107.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.107)

Posted by:

Serge

Subject: Tennessee

Goodbye smartass. You always thought you were clever...I have never called John Donabie "a pathetic asshole" or anything. Show me where that so-called recent entry is. John is, and has been a close friend for a few years now, so don't fabricate crap to divert attention from yourself. My thing with Viney is none of your business or MattK's. All you and he needed to do is scroll past my entries. You butt in, and I'll climb all over your asses like a rash. "You" are a pathetic prick. Go back to your moonshine still, and insult your hillbilly female friends there. Leave the gals here alone.


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:13:36 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: BWNWIT

good post man......you're ok, as is Amanda......(send her an e)


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:08:31 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-022castocp0070.dialsprint.net (65.178.96.70)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: BWNWIT

If BWNWIT goes ,I go.........I'm not kidding........don't anyone try to stop me.Hello? I'm not kidding!!! Hello? Ahem....yoo-hoo folks, it's me , your ole pal, Rolando!!!!!???? ........hello????????????


Entered at Sat Jan 18 00:05:20 CET 2003 from 1cust35.tnt2.farmland.in.da.uu.net (67.241.53.35)

Posted by:

Bobby ( Sticks )

Location: Indiana land of TAXES NO CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: comments

The band is just great Lavon in the Movie " Fire Down Below " He played a excellent Minister, Steven Stegallis one of my favorites,,,,,,,And Lavon plyed a great Loretta Lynn dad in The Coal Miners Daughter I am 61 and still drumming strong Was with some great and still great rockers in the 60s -70s When I go there will be a trailor behind the prosession Carring me & my Drums To all you muscians Keep on Keeping on, God bless You All A Friend from Indiana Bobby--------


Entered at Fri Jan 17 23:48:54 CET 2003 from (170.190.43.79)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: And in case anyone should bother to ask...

"To come out...later and say, 'Just kidding,' I mean, that's my idea of horrible." - Robbie Robertson


Entered at Fri Jan 17 23:44:40 CET 2003 from (170.190.43.79)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: The Last Waltz

I wanted to inform those who are not yet aware of it that I have been blocked access to the GB (but not from every computer in Nashville, as you might have noticed) by Jan. There was no mention of this made anywhere, only a message from him to me to "please stop," which is somewhat odd as he has in the past made a comment either on the GB or the "What's New" section (can't remember which) when other people have been denied access. My interpretation of this, right or wrong, can only be that Jan did not want everyone to know that he blocked me, so he tried to make it look like I was asked politely to behave and that I got pissy and simply never came back. But I did not want you all to think that I, personally, was the kind of person who would do that, which is why I'm telling you now what's what.

While it comes as no great surprise to me to have been blocked, given my history, I would have expected at least one warning of some type, which did not happen. If there's something that people who have read my posts consistently would hopefully realize, it's that I am not unreasonable. One would think that after three years of postings that have hopefully been, for the most part, informative, entertaining and enjoyable, not to mention having hand-typed interviews for submission to this site, that I would have deserved at least one, "please behave, or you will be blocked." But I did not. Apparently I am held in the same esteem as Rosalind by the administrator of this site. Jan can delete this post, as well, but not before some of you get the chance to read it. (Of course, if you're really evil you could always copy it while you have the chance and repost it. But I didn't say that.)

I recently made a joke about an incident involving Amanda's kids, who are, to the best of my knowledge, all perfectly healthy, happy and fine. Amanda herself posted in great detail about this incident at the end of last May but, oddly enough, that post is no longer on the site due to a disk failure. My post was quickly removed after Diamond Lil complained. Amanda, who is on friendly terms with Butch, Levon and Lil, and presumably Jan, posted a message several months ago revealing the addiction problems of a frequent GB poster. Those problems were not, and under no circumstances should have ever been made, public knowledge among this community. Her post remains on this site to this day. (Something to think about, BTW, for all those who feeling sympathy for sweet little Amanda's recent crocodile tears.) As you all know, I've also been critical, to put it mildly, of Butch. But I think we're all aware of Serge's perpetual insults and provocations towards Peter Viney. Actually, in going through the archives I found a recent post in which Serge called both MattK an "illiterate asshole" and John Donabie a "pathetic asshole." But he also, apparently, has the right connections.

I fully realize that this is a fan-based, "non-official" and privately run site, and can be run in any manner deemed fitting. But I also realize that it is a site that is referenced on (some) official Band products (perhaps which products indicates quite a bit). One would think that would bear a certain responsibility.

Even though I'm still capable of posting messages on this site, I will respect Jan's wishes and refrain from posting here any longer, simply because there are a few people here for whom I would regret being responsible for having the GB shut down. But I also have no interest in ever again contributing anything of substance to a web site administered in such a manner as this. Nepotism never really did interest me very much, and it's become pretty obvious that this particular orgy is open to family members only. And I think everyone here has been witness to what inbreeding creates.

Not to fear, though, as I'm sure that Amanda will have no problem posting messages every bit as knowledgeable, enlightening and humorous as I hope that mine were. And now that I'm gone, you can rest assured that, just as the war on drugs has obliterated all narcotics from our country and the war on terrorism has eliminated any threat of any terrorist activity anywhere, there shall never again on this site be any controversy or arguing. So to a few of my friends on this site - Crabgrass, brown eyed girl, Bayou Sam, JTull (the fan, not the band), Peter Viney, Gay Al Edge, Peter Stone Brown, the original, expropriated Amanda, and many more that I'm sure I'm forgetting - I shall conclude my tenure here thusly: "Goodnight. Goodbye."

bwnwitenn@hotmail.com


Entered at Fri Jan 17 23:43:39 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Empty Now; Blues Brothers

Yes, Empty Now, real life in Illinois is exactly like it was potrayed in the movie "Blues Brothers". The best part, though, is that Chicago has more blues clubs and more blues musicians than any other city in the world. Rosa's Blues Lounge is my favorite. It's where I first heard and met Pine Top Perkins whose head and hat can be seen for a split second in The Last Waltz as he gets up from the piano at the end of Muddy Waters' set. Come visit us here in the blues capital of the world. edwardvoci@aol.com

P.S. To the politics-and-music-ain't-connected-crowd: word has it that every single member of The Band, at one time or other in their lives, has used oil...and when Levon split from the early Dylan tour he went to work on an oil rig in the Gulf...of Mexico. Kevin Bacon's got nuthin' on this GB.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 23:29:36 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bones

Bones the Civil War piece I put in was because of Bob Dylan doing a song for the soundtrack. Nothing to so with politics.......unless of course it was not my post that you're talking about......


Entered at Fri Jan 17 22:24:16 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Web: My link

People! People! It was just a couple of weeks ago when our beloved host, Jan, asked us to lay OFF the politics. Trust me, it's not that hard. Please don't have this place closed down for the people who want to talk about music.

I have included a link to the Jam Music article about Robbie's recent honor.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 22:21:59 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Gods & Generals

God's and Generals is having its' world premier in Richmond as parts of it were filmed here and in Fredericksburg, as well as the obvious historical significance of this area. Unfortunately, tickets are $125.00, and that does not even include the popcorn. I think it's great that Bob D. contributed to the soundtrack, although I wonder if it will be a bit jarring to hear a voice such as his, so connected to the 1960's, providing the soundtrack to the 1860's. Perhaps it's his great grandad singing!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 21:28:12 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: RAMSAY MIDWOOD / DAVID POWELL LEVON HELM

That's right David. I forgot to mention that. Ramsay named his son after Levon. Indeed a Band connection.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 21:24:54 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Received this today from bobdylan.com

Bob Dylan has contributed a newly composed and recorded song, "'Cross The Green Mountain", to the highly anticipated Civil War epic "Gods and Generals", which will open in theaters nationwide on February 21. Music plays a powerful role in the film -- in addition to the score by composers Randy Edelman and Jon Frizzell, with solos by Grammy-winning fiddler Mark O'Connor, the soundtrack also features an original song, "Going Home", by Mary Fahl, Sony Classical recording artist (and formerly lead vocalist of the band October Project). Directed by Ron Maxwell ("Gettsyburg"), "Gods and Generals" is based on the best-selling book recounting the dramatic early years of the Civil War -- from Manassas to the Battle of Fredericksburg.

The "Gods and Generals" soundtrack will be in stores nationwide on February 4. Initial shipments will include a limited edition DVD with a video of Bob Dylan performing "'Cross The Green Mountain," a Mary Fahl music video, and several scenes not included in the final print of the film.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 21:12:44 CET 2003 from gpf-t197.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.197)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Pete Townshend

Link is to a Joey Sweeney article on Salon.com. Not as entertaining as the Gwyn Dyer article posted by Brian Fitzpatrick earlier today, but a different spin - although Mr. Sweeney also remarks on Pete's aura of credibility. Which you can see from the photo - no fancy inlay work on our Pete's Gibson, just a big stencilled "2." Presumably this helps the repair shop keep the work orders straight. Pete was a serial abuser - of guitars.

Band links? Uh, Bob Dylan wrote a song called "Joey." And Gwyn Dyer (it MUST be the same one) is an ex-pat Canadian, I think.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 20:37:59 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: don't forget the drummer

Yes, I almost forgot the silent Stone who carries the big sticks -- Charlie Watts!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 20:26:38 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Stones

Just a reminder -- the Rolling Stones will be performing live from Madison Square Garden in New York on HBO tomorrow night. Keith, Mick & Ron accompanied by Chuck Leavell, Darryl Jones, Blondie Chaplin, Lisa Fischer, Bernard Fowler, Bobby Keys, Tim Reis, Michael Davis, Kent Smith and a cast of 77 guitars.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 19:49:49 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: oil

Empty Now: I missed your post so I was not addressing you. Let's all remeber too that Shell is Royal Dutch Shell and BP is British Petroleum. American oil companies aren't the only ones around.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 19:29:21 CET 2003 from ti121210a080-3134.bb.online.no (80.212.12.62)

Posted by:

Sofus

Subject: I want sheet music!

Does anyone have the sheet music from "Stage Fright" and the combined "The Band and Music from Big Pink"? I have the "Robbie Robertson guitar book", but I want songs like "Chest Fever", "Caledonia Mission", "To Kingdom Come", and the guitar solos from "Time To Kill", "Just Another Whistle Stop" etc. Are those old books arranged for guitar? Or just chords, melody and piano. Capitol sent us the remasters, now someone send us the sheet music!!!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 19:17:10 CET 2003 from avail-minnesotamedical.msp.origix.net (64.247.206.74)

Posted by:

Larry Lurker

Subject: iraq

I must respectfully disagree with those that argue that this upcoming war with Iraq isn't all about oil. It most certainly is.

It's alarming the amount of misinformation that floats back and forth.

As James Baker, secretary of state under the first Bush, has said in a TV interview, the US policy is that this country will go to war for oil.

Why would the US care if Hussein had the bomb if weren't for the fact that he could overwhelm his oil-rich neighbors (and also menace Israel)? He can't hit the US with such weapons and if he did, he'd know the US would counterstrike.

Former Pres. Clinton, whom I'm no fan of btw, said that when he first saw the WTC attack, first thought of bin Laden because "everyone else has targets" to bomb. As yet, the White House has not given any evidence that Iraq is a sponsor of international terrorism. Only vague "links" and supposed activity in northern Iraq -- which Saddam doesn't control. It's controlled by the Kurds and the nothern no-fly zone.

For that same reason, Saddam wouldn't give such technology to terrorists. It could be traced back to him and then he gets bombed. Also, why would he give such important technology to terrorists who then could give that info to Saddam's rivals? The White House's rationale here is a red herring.

The first reason behind this war is to "safeguard" US oil supplies. The second reason is to presumably cut a sweet deal for the US oil companies with whatever government the US sets up in Iraq. (Sure, companies might make money from distribution, but if it that was the only factor, why would OPEC be so powerful? Don't they have to pay the price that OPEC sets? You're not following the basic tenets of capitalism -- supply and demand. If the US controls the flow of oil, then they can ignore or circumvent OPEC. The US can control the supply and the sky is the limit when it comes to demand.

Lastly, this war is about technology. The US is trying to keep the bomb from as many people as possible.

This war is also a handy distraction away from domestic troubles (namely the economy), the chaotic situation that still exists in Afghanistan and the fact that the US forces have yet to capture bin Laden.

Think about it: in the last elections, did Bush run on his economic program or did he run on a national security platform? While some of you no doubt might like his economic plan, he didn't make that a selling point to the general public when he was trying to get Republicans elected.

Anyone who says this war is about terrorism is kidding themselves, despite what the White House says. Sept. 11 is a pretext for this. This a geopolitical game being played out.

No one likes Saddam Hussein but the hawks in this country refuse to call this what it is. Many wrap themselves in the flag and self-righteousness.

I don't claim to have all the answers but I can clearly see what White House and the mass media is shoveling.

BTW: I'm curious if anyone's noticed the sound differences between "Ain't No More Cane" from Woodstock '69 on the "Across The Great Divide" box set and the other performances circulating. The vocals and mix sound less distinct than the others. Is this more Robbie fudging recording info or are my ears deceiving me?


Entered at Fri Jan 17 19:14:07 CET 2003 from (38.201.148.3)

Posted by:

Jay W.

Location: Atlanta

Subject: Japanese Reissues of Levon's Solo Albums

In addition to the reissue of the RCO All-Stars album mentioned by David Powell, MCA/Japan has also reissued AMERICAN SON and LEVON HELM (1978). I do not believe that LEVON HELM (1982) is among the Japanese reissues. I have seen copies of each in the regular section (not the import section) of the Tower store in Atlanta, and my brother bought copies of all 3 at Tower in New Orleans.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 18:48:30 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.1)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Erratum

Replace "without" by "Thanks to" here below


Entered at Fri Jan 17 18:29:48 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.1)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: I am tired of being perfect

The subject item is a quote from Mel Brooks as governor in "Blazzing Saddles"
Lil : You're right
Peter: Super, your version is much funny than Country Joe one (not my version)

John W, Jtull fan: I accept to be treated as an ignorant lier, no one is perfect. In fact I just presented a sample from Country-Joe site which i found funny. Jonh W make me seemingly saying what i didn't say. My idea is: W is an oil man who leads a great nation.
Please, read the rest of the post about my opinion about the USA, which was actually intended to M-O. I love USA you cant force me to love W, I prefer Clinton, JFK, Carter, Lincoln, and many others

For insults: Please email me at the next box: now.empty at caramail.com

I take the occasion to add much important remarks i ought to put in my last post.

Without USA, Human Kind lost the chance to live in slavery in the 19th century
Without USA, Human Kind lost the chance to not live at all under the third reich
Without USA, Human kind lost the chance to live robotisized in the eastern era
Without USA, Human kind is loosing the chance to live like animals with which is now comming
God bless you and good night


Entered at Fri Jan 17 18:29:44 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Rollie/Whispering Pines

No prob.! I've found Whispering Pines listed on Amazon in the $41.00 range, which I am still saving up for!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 18:25:39 CET 2003 from (12.34.17.194)

Posted by:

Johnny Flippo

Subject: Richard on Drums

Pretty good list Dave Hopkins. Here are my additions:

Music from Big Pink: To Kingdom Come

The Band: When You Awake

Cahoots: Smoke Signal

Islands: The title track (w/LH)

The Last Waltz: Both Muddy Waters tracks

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree wih "All La Glory" and "A Change is Gonna Come" - they both sound like Levon's rod work to me.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 18:18:42 CET 2003 from core18d75.dynamic-dialup.toad.net (162.33.188.75)

Posted by:

tony

Subject: Basement noise

According to Heylin, Levon played only on Goin To Acapulco, Gonna Get You Now, Wild Wood Flower, See that My Grave is Kept Clean (though I think Levon plays harmonica on this one and a couple of others), Comin' "Round the Mtn, Flight of the Bumble Bee, Confidential To Me and All You Have To Do Is Dream, so the VAST majority of tracks have Richard or Robbie on driums.

Heylin lists only Bob playing harp, but someone is playing it while Bob is singing on a few of the above-listed tracks and I think it's Levon.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 17:54:14 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-06-18.dial.qnet.com (209.221.199.81)

Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: Mono Lake

Subject: Molde, Trondheim, Oslo, Bergen

What do these places have in common besides being in the country of Norway?

Delbert McClinton will be performing at these cities in late April.

I love Delbert's band.There's gotta be some The Band connection.(maybe a Bramlett of some kind or other)

Jan, go see Delbert at home in Norway and take all your friends!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 17:45:55 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-011castocp0393.dialsprint.net (63.187.105.139)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Whispering Pines(screw politics)

I've seen the light. Now, how do I get ahold of the "Whispering Pines" cd?


Entered at Fri Jan 17 17:37:00 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John W. and oil

John, I agree. What I find particularly galling is the total ignorance behind the 'U.S. just wants the oil' argument. It is always espoused by those with complete ignorance about how business and markets work, etc. Oil companies, for the most part, do not make their money on the oil drilling, etc. They make it on the DISTRIBUTION and PROCESSING of oil. It does not matter who is sucking it out of the ground. After the Gulf War, oil prices plummetted, hurting the bottom lines of the oil companies. If you make x% margin distributing a product, and that % remains stable, you will make more if that product is selling at $40.00 per barrel than at $15.00. If we wanted cheap oil, we could merely let Saddam remain in place and buy it directly from him!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 17:34:00 CET 2003 from h-68-164-8-143.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.8.143)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John W., I'm way too busy investigating the murder of Vince Foster by the Clinton's to have time to deal with Bush's involvement in 9/11.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 17:20:45 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: McGuinn, Clark and Hillman and John W. querry

According to the liner notes of the Greatest Hits of McGuinn, Hillman and Clark I once owned the group was signed because of some popular gigs the 3 of them and David Crosby put on in LA in 1978. Logically then when they were approached about recording Crosby must have declined. As for your post John W, I'd have to respectfully disagree. Many of us asked Rollie, very nicely though, to stop posting his "Bush is behind it all" rhetoric. Mostly I ignore ir because "mullah" is obviously a fake and I cant take his nonsense seriously.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 16:50:03 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Having been a GB poster of certain conservative views and having taken some flak for it, I just wonder why no GB regulars complain about the lies that continue to be posted here about how Bush was behind 9/11 and the lies about the U.S. wanting to launch a war to steal someone's oil.

Question: If the U.S. goal was to colonize Iraq for the puropse of stealing its oil, why would they not have marched right into Baghdad in 1992, when they already had half a million troops on their doorstep? Why would they say "OK let's wait ten years, then we will come back and change the regime and steal the oil"?


Entered at Fri Jan 17 16:48:44 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Ramsay Midwood

John: Funny that you mentioned Ramsay Midwood -- last night I was listening to Music Choice's "Americana" channel on my cable system and they played a cut off the "Shoot Out..." CD. I think it was called "Mohawk River", which I really liked. Checked out his bio and there is a Band connection -- it seems that Ramsay named his son after Levon Helm!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 16:16:43 CET 2003 from zorg23.revealed.net (208.243.237.23)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Web: My link

Subject: It all comes back to The Band

It's really neat that almost everything is connected to The Band in one way or another. I was doing some searching this morning and found out some interesting stuff about a band called "Raven" and their origins. There are a few links:

Stan Szelest, Sandy Konikoff to name a few. Also, drummer Gary Mallaber played drums on the following Van Morrison albums: Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St. Dominic's Preview, Hard Nose The Highway, and Beautiful Vision.

Moreover, George Harrison discovered them internationally! Very interesting stuff.

Ahh, The Band :)


Entered at Fri Jan 17 16:06:40 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: RAMSAY MIDWOOD / DAVID POWELL

David....if you haven't already, check out Ramsay Midwood on the Vanguard Label. Finally released in North America. This is a CD released two years ago in Italy, France, Sweden etc. by this prolific songwriter. Already been called the "New Dylan" which as John Prine said early in his career; when he was called the same thing.....the kiss of death.

However these 12 tracks are wonderful with great musicians and quite honestly he does make you think of early Dylan to a degree; but he is his own man. He's a singer-songwriter and actor. Check this one out anybody, especially David. Great title for the CD to. "Shoot Out At The OK Chinese Restaurant." Sample him on the Vanguard site or on Amazon.com


Entered at Fri Jan 17 14:42:41 CET 2003 from du-tele3-071.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.71)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Petrol post

The bit Empty Now quotes was the front page of The Daily Mirror two weeks ago, but you've missed a line. The original reads (using the logos of the companies)

I SHELL not EXXONerate Saddam Hussein from blame. I will MOBILise our troops and JETs to Q8 and the Persian GULF. I will BPrepared for TOTAL war. The message is AMOCOmin' to kick your ass, Saddam."

I suspect it was amended because JET and Q8 are British only petrol stations as far as I know, and though it looks good in the text, TOTAL is Russian, I think. This was the front page I was offering you, Ben! BTW, I'm making no political comment here, I just thought it was clever word-play.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 14:19:50 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612570.sympatico.ca (65.93.192.191)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Congratulations Robbie!

In the Ottawa Citizen and Toronto Star newspapers....Robbie Robertson wins Aboriginal Achievement Award for "the betterment of life in aboriginal communities and the rest of the country"......

The last time I was in Jamaica a couple of years ago....A twenty-year old friend's son who was visiting from New York....looked at me and said....."I bet you're an Elvis Presley fan".....Without batting an eyelash I replied....."Actually I don't have any Presley" (except for one song).....When I told him that I did have the Greatest Hits of one Rapper......Well......all of a sudden.......He felt at ease and was smiling away......


Entered at Fri Jan 17 13:03:30 CET 2003 from mcha-ah045.taconic.net (205.231.30.92)

Posted by:

Lil

Empty Now: Heheh... was just perusing the gb while having my morning coffee, and read your last post. Saw the words "that's me in the corner".. and now all I can think of is REM's tune _losin my religion_ (.."that's me in the spotlight"). The tune will probably be stuck in my head all day now!

Jan: Any idea why everytime I post something.. and try to preview it.. it vaporizes? You must have quite a few from me stuck in your cache there. Thanks if you can tell me how to remedy the situation.

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 12:24:05 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.105)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: News from the Arabian countries:
Web: My link

Subject: That’s me in the corner .......

Scorcese-GNY: Great lectures Peter, Hank. Every body here talk about this film, but i didn’t saw it yet.

Mummy-Omar-War: No one here in muslim world talk about an American threat against us, like no one you’re trying to convince in the GB wish a war. From a long time ago, any adult knows who-wars-who. I don’t believe that our opinion can be more relevant than that of the directly concerned persons. Some are much more intelligent. Let’s stay in the music and in relation with a recent post about protest-singers, please check the above link from Country-Joe.
A sample of this web-page is a talk from W:
‘ We “Shell” not “Exxon”erate Sadam Hussein for his actions. We will “Mobil”ize to meet this threat to vital interest in the Persian “Gulf” until an “Amoco”ble solution is reached. Our strategy is to “BP”repared. Failing that, we “Arco”ming to kick your ass’
This is Country-Joe McDonnald, I will be much less worried if there are some similar preachers from the opposite side.
And whatever is the question, for the comfort of the human kind, every one must admit that now the USA are the only locomotive of the civlisation, unless you propose a candidate. US is much more than W

Mind-masturbation, obsolete national feelings: Robbie Robertson birthday, 5th July is the independance day of Algeria (The day after). Here we officialy celebrate every year Robbie's birthday.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 10:33:16 CET 2003 from (212.31.242.105)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Customer profile

A few months before, i entered for the first time one of the CD-cassettes stores in Constantine at Saint-Jean Boulevard.
I was a little disorientated beneeth the different shop sections, Techno, Hip-Hop, Funk, Groove, House, Dance, Drive, R&B (which no more means Rythm and Blues but something like Rubbish and Bullshit., or Rap and Beat perhaps), Oriental , Rai, French Music (a huge section), Italian, Spanish and Latin, Celine Dion Section (I’m not kidding), Classics, etc...
Then a young smiling vendor, about 20 years old, before i said one word, suggested me exactly:
“Come on Sir, I’ll show you your STYLE”
In the real life, like in the GB, I don’t like to contradict people. I thought let’s dicover what does him call my style, and i will discuss after.
In the section he showed me, the first cassette i recognized was one of Bob Dylan (Greatest Hits series) before I saw that I was in th Rock-Folk section
I was really amazed
I pursuied my shopping, and finally i asked the young vendor
‘How did you identified my style with such precision?’
He simply answerd ‘But that was evident Sir’
Perhaps, but in reality, until today i haven’t a convincing answer on how someone who saw me from the first instant knew that i’m a Bob Dylan listenner, and in an evident manner


Entered at Fri Jan 17 10:21:54 CET 2003 from du-tele3-028.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.28)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Basement tapes drums

Levon was absent for the great majority of tracks. Robbie Robertson plays drums on You Ain't goin' Nowhere, This Wheel's On Fire & Apple Suckling Tree according to the liner notes on the official release, Richard plays drums on Odds & Ends, Yazoo Street Scandal, Aint No More Cane, Don't Ya Tell Henry. Who knows about the unofficial stuff!


Entered at Fri Jan 17 08:26:44 CET 2003 from core18d26.dynamic-dialup.toad.net (162.33.188.26)

Posted by:

tony

Subject: trivia, musical chairs, Ry and Zoot

Charlie - great trivia question. I have that soundtrack album but I don't know if I would have thought of it (bad habit of reading this board from top to bottom, so I saw the answer before the question). The song you saw with Levon on guitar was most likely either Jemima or Time To Kill.

Dave - Levon was absent for most of the Basement sessions, from what I've read, so I think most of those tracks must have RM on drums and Bob on piano.

Ry Cooder - the real deal indeed, especially his first three records. Speaking of the Captain's guitar players (he had so many great ones, including Ry, briefly in '67), Zoot Horn Rollo has a new disk of instrumental music that's EXCELLENT - the best new music I've heard in years. He sells it on his web site.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 06:59:55 CET 2003 from 1cust228.tnt3.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.153.228)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Stan Szelest it Was...

Bob Wigo: you nailed my trivia question in record time. This is a smart room you've got here, Jan.

Calvin: yes, I guess that the McGuinn, Clark, Hillman reunion wasn't THAT short lived. I still wish that David Crosby would join his other two old mates from the original Byrds and do one last tour. I just saw the reunited version of the Doors on Jay Leno's "Tonight Show," so anything is possible (no, Ian Astbury was singing, not Jim Morrison--he skipped the reunion).


Entered at Fri Jan 17 06:17:06 CET 2003 from stjhts25d008.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.249.137)

Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: gangs of new york

I gotta agree with Viney. Pretty simplistic plot. Lewis was great. Leonardo was better than I expected. A "good looking" movie. But long and drawn out. I was bored. I think I have seen all of Scorceses movies. This one does not rate up with Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Good Fellas, Mean Streets, etc. It is a very ordinary movie. Like Viney said: You knew from the start exactly where the movie was going, and what would happen. It just took too long to get there.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 05:46:38 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Cooder, Helm, Hiatt

I love Ry Cooder. He's the real deal ...

Anyway's, nobody answered my question about Levon being in the studio with John Hiatt for his new studio album. Can anyone confirm that Levon does any work on the new release ???

A little birdie told me it was listed in the "What's New" section but I was never able to find it ...

Anyone ?

Hey Roslyn honey ! ... how's it goin girl?

Miss ya



Entered at Fri Jan 17 05:26:52 CET 2003 from zorg216.revealed.net (208.243.237.216)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Richard on drums

Dave,

Richard was also on the drums during "Such A Night" at The Last Waltz.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 05:12:08 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: McGuinn, Hillman, Clark and Charlie Young

I appreciate the heads up on the disc Charlie, but Im afraid I have to correct you on your statement "short-lived reunion." In fact the three of them signed a 6 record deal shortly after those shows and released 2 albums under the Name McGuinn, Hillman and Clark-and after Clark fell ill a 3rd under McGuinn and Hillman. I have them all, and they arent bad-not a pull out once a month disc, but definately in Jubilation and High on the Hog territory.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 05:08:09 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Charlie Young's Trivia

Charlie,

I'll take a shot at it. In the late seventies the film "Blue Collar", with Harvey Keitel and Richard Pryor, featured some songs by Ry Cooder. Don Van Vliet, aka Captain Beefheart, sang lead on a song entitled "Hard Workin' Man". Stan Szelest played the piano on that one.


Entered at Fri Jan 17 04:55:22 CET 2003 from 1cust78.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.78)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Religion & Politics

I think if George had stayed in Woodstock longer Dylan would have eventually joined the Hare Krishnas instead of turning to Jesus.

I never thought I would see the day when Richard Nixon would have to say "I am not a crook."


Entered at Fri Jan 17 04:23:15 CET 2003 from pix.wwortv.com (199.173.54.12)

Posted by:

Brian Fitzpatrick

Web: My link

Subject: Pete Townshend

saw some discussion on the pete townshend issue here. just thought i'd post this article i'd found. as a big fan of pete and the who, i believe him to be innocent. what's up pat brennan! finally posted! good bless you all! Townshend the Victim of Bad Press Gwynne Dyer 16.01.2003 I wish he had not done it. I believe that his motives were good, but I never thought I would see the day when Pete Townshend would have to say: "I am not a paedophile." Let me tell you a story about The Who. It was in the late 1970s, a decade after their first flush of fame, and Pete Townshend had been off the road for almost three years fighting his drink and drug demons. (No special breaks for rich and famous rock stars who get offered endless supplies of really good drugs, but as Joe Cocker put it in his anthem, "It's hard to leave when you can't find the door".) So they were getting back out in public in a tentative way, doing unadvertised gigs in small venues in the less fashionable parts of London. I heard about the one at the Sundowner up in Edmonton at the last minute, and frankly I'd never been that far north in London before. Two more tube stops and you'd be in Scotland. And, like always, they gave value for money, playing the whole canon from "My Generation" to "Won't Get Fooled Again". One hour, two hours, three and all 400 or 500 people packed into the venue are uneasy, looking at their watches, because we're a long way from home and the last underground train is going now, and lots of us don't even have taxi fare to get back to our parts of London. But they're still playing, and nobody leaves. So finally The Who leave the stage, close to midnight, and we all spill out into the winter dark wondering how the hell we're going to get home. And there, lined up outside the theatre, are a dozen chartered buses with signs in their windows for all the different boroughs of London. It took a while, but they got us all home, right to our doors. I am not a person who admits easily to having heroes, but if I were, Pete Townshend would be one of them. Certainly my only musician hero, and not just because The Who were the best rock band in history - the first to play it loud enough to make your ears bleed, the first to break out of the simple guitars-and-love-song pattern of early rock'n' roll, first synthesisers, first intelligent lyrics, first (and still best) rock opera, and the one band that always gave full measure no matter how rich, famous and stoned they got. Townshend himself, for all the early dramatics about smashing guitars on stage, always gave the impression of being an intelligent, serious, even moral, man - in a trade that is not exactly drowning in those qualities. Now he's under suspicion for accessing child pornography from an American internet portal that gave access to thousands of kiddie-porn websites, mostly in Russia or Indonesia. So are about 7000 other people in Britain whose credit- card details were found when investigators in Texas broke into the site. About 1300 homes in Britain have been raided in Operation Ore, and among those arrested are a judge, magistrates, hospital consultants and a deputy headmaster, along with about 50 policemen. This was all happening very quietly - so that other suspects would not reformat their hard drives before the police got around to knocking on their doors - but then somebody slipped the word to the Daily Mail in London that Pete Townshend's name had turned up among the 7000. Only hours after the newspaper hit the streets, Townshend called a press conference to explain that he had visited the site only once, as research for a campaign he was working on against child abuse. Some of the research would be incorporated in a book he is writing about his own childhood, for he was convinced that he had been sexually abused himself between the ages of 5 and 6 1/2, when he was staying with a mentally ill grandmother. "I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows, particularly in Tommy," he said. And the mob who love to see the rich and famous brought low went: "Yeah, right, he was doing research for a book." It was a stupid thing to do, but if you look at Pete Townshend's past the explanation is credible. His rock opera Tommy, written over 30 years ago, was all about child abuse at a time when the topic was not in the least fashionable. The scene in which the "deaf, dumb and blind kid" is left alone to be groped by his drunken Uncle Ernie - "Fiddle about, fiddle about" - is the first time that the sexual abuse of children comes up in mainstream English-language popular art. Townshend wouldn't say that he entered the site only once if he had done so many times, because he knows that the police have the credit-card records. The police might never even have contacted Townshend if the Daily Mail had not run its story, for they are clearly exercising some judgment about which of the visitors to the site were users of child pornography: They haven't arrested all 7000 people on the list. But once Townshend's name was in the public domain, they could not avoid arresting him - not with all those other prominent people already under arrest. So now he'll probably have to wade through the whole long nausea of a trial, although he's still likely to be found innocent in the end. It's a miserable business, and I wish he hadn't done it - though not as much as he does, I'm sure. But this is a good man in a bad time and place, not a bad man. Gwynne Dyer is a London-based independent journalist.  


Entered at Fri Jan 17 04:09:46 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

hevans

Location: alabama

Subject: harrison/dylan/band

it's been about a year since i have posted anything. I learned a lomg time ago that you never win an argument that involves either religion or politics. The last month or so I have been listening non-stop to George Harrison's "Brainwashed". It has got me thinking and listening to ATMP, LTMW, etc. George was always very profound with his lyrics. Until John was murdered, I always thought that the Beatles were somehow superhuman, not like the rest of us. That changed in 1980. I love the Beatles. I'm sorry that John and Paul and George (not Ringo, ever the peacemaker) had problems. I love them all. Their music will always play a large part in my life. Their personal difficulties were between them. I'm just thankful for the music that they gave to us. I will admit, that I became a fan of the Band because of my love for Bob Dylan, but I do love the Band. At the same time, while I'm sorry about their internal problems, (Levonistas v. Robertsonians), I'm thankful for the music that they gave us. The other night I watched "Beatles Anthology" for the umptheenth time. I'm always led to wonder what could have been when George talks about having spent time in Woodstock with Dylan and the Band. How's that for a group, Harrison, Dylan, The Band? How about "The Basement Tapes, with special guest George Harrison?" Or, "The Traveling Wilburys, featuring the Band"? In closing, let me mention "If Not For You" off of "Bootleg vol 1-3", when Bob asks, "Are you ready George?"


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old, Snowy Virginny

Subject: Richard on Drums, Byrds Note & Linking The Band to Captain Beefheart...

I remember seeing Richard play drums on at least one song at my first concert by The Band in June, 1971. As I recall Levon was playing electric rhythm guitar during that one.

I know that there are a bunch of fans of Gene Clark and the Byrds here and wanted to mention a double CD set I picked up today that I wasn't aware had been released except as a boot. Titled "Three Byrds Land in London," the live set includes individual performances by Gene Clark, Chris Hillman and Roger McGuinn with their bands of the time (April 1977) and three old Byrds' songs that they perform together at the end. As the shows were recorded by the BBC, the sound quality is very good and it's a nice artifact of that short-lived reunion of those three original members of that seminal Los Angeles band.

Today I also found an unlikely link of another legendary L.A. musician--Captain Beefheart--to The Band. It's actually only one degree of separation. Any guesses?


Entered at Fri Jan 17 03:31:42 CET 2003 from as3-1-135.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.194.57)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: songs with Richard on drums

this is what I've come up with...posted this a couple years back:

Basement Tapes: Yazoo Street Scandal, Ain't No More Cane, Don't Ya Tell Henry

Music From Big Pink: [none]

The Band: Rag Mama Rag, Jemima Surrender

Stage Fright: Strawberry Wine, Time To Kill, All La Glory, Daniel and the Sacred Harp (with LH)

Cahoots: When I Paint My Masterpiece, Thinkin' Out Loud

Moondog Matinee: Mystery Train (with LH), The Promised Land (with Billy Mundi), I'm Ready (with LH), A Change Is Gonna Come

Northern Lights-Southern Cross: Jupiter Hollow (with LH)

Islands: [none]

The Last Waltz: Mystery Train (with LH), Evangeline


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Web: My link

Subject: The Truth About 9/11

I am glad to see someone recently allude to the fact that George W. Bush masterminded the destruction of the Twin Towers (which were caused to fall by internal remote controlled bombs planted by the CIA) in order to get the American public behind his Wars Against Islam and Iraq. Link above tells the TRUTH.

Allah Akbar!


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Posted by:

Eddie Hodel

Location: Queens, NYC

Subject: Jim Weider (The Weight)

I think Jim Weider's new album "Remedy" contains the best cover version of "The Weight" that I have ever heard. Of course, Mavis Staples supplies the sweet harmony "...sent me here with her regards for everyone..."


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Diamond Lil

Hey Lil, Get back to me via my Email. I have some of the pictures you asked about and some pretty neat Malibu shots wit a young Amy Helm, Eli, and Justin. Also a collecter of Grace, Rick's Uncle Spence,and baby Lisa. Lot's more also. Drop me some mail and an address. Do you have anything for me? Until we talk next, be good. Jan, I need a mailing address. Peace and Love,Cousin Paul. P.S. A.P. are you out their? No reply from you!!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Levon Helm & The RCO All-Stars

Levon's 1977 album with the RCO All-Stars has also been reissued recently on CD by MCA/Universal Japan. I found a copy in the import section of the Tower store in Buckhead/Atlanta.


Entered at Thu Jan 16 22:22:54 CET 2003 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Band Solo Works, my lucky day!

Went to Tower Records in Nanuet, NY during my lunch break and came back with a score. Levon's 1978 self titled album mentioned in the "What's New" section, Rick Danko "In Concert", and Danko-Fjeld-Andersen "One More Shot".

I'm happy to say that the Rick Danko section in Tower was actually pretty good. They had all his Woodstock Records releases, his first solo album, and D-F-A stuff. Since they had Rick's Woodstock Records recordings I checked for Prof. Louie's "Flyin' High" but no luck! Kinda hoping they would have had "Remedy" by Jim Weider & Randy C. but no luck their either. That would have been too good! I left the store happy though!


Entered at Thu Jan 16 21:55:37 CET 2003 from (12.151.114.40)

Posted by:

tony

Subject: Richard on drums

If it's only on songs Levon sings, then I'm wrong about Time To Kill, but it sure sounds to me like Garth on piano and Levon on rhythm guitar, and I don't hear any organ or acordion.

The converse is definitely NOT true; Levon plays drums on MANY of the songs he sings.

If I ever get around to compiling a list, I'll certainly submit it for discussion.


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Posted by:

Bones

Caledonia: There are a lot of Band connections with the movie Two Weeks Notice. As you said, the Director of Photography was Laszlo Kovacs. Besides Dana Glover's song at the end, there is a Counting Crows cover of a Joni Mitchell tune ("Big Yellow Taxi"). There is also a cameo in the movie of Norah Jones who is a huge fan of The Band.


Entered at Thu Jan 16 21:19:40 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Tony: I hope you'll let us know the results of your research. My rule of thumb is that Richard drums only on songs that Levon sings, and only on the first three albums - and probably not all of those. (I hear him on "The Weight" every second or third time I listen to the song.)


Entered at Thu Jan 16 20:50:29 CET 2003 from (12.151.114.40)

Posted by:

tony

Subject: Richard on drums

I know Richard played drums on Rag Mama Rag and Jemima Surrender, and my ears tell me he did on Time To Kill (right?), but I can't think of any other songs off hand. I saw them a few times, but the memories are way too dim to recall on which songs they switched instruments. I think I'll embark on a little research project, a good excuse to give all the albums a thorough listening.


Entered at Thu Jan 16 20:09:54 CET 2003 from dialup-0723.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.146.211)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The Night They Bombed New York City Into The Ground

Went and saw "Gangs of New York" last night.........

I can understand how folks would have mixed feelings about the movie but viewing it is worth it to witness Daniel Day Lewis' awesome acting ability.......

It's a long movie but a wonderful treat for the eye....if you can stand that much graphic violence and emotional performance.......and it was very interesting watching it here in Ireland not only because of the Irish pretext but because many of the actors were very familiar to audiences here, having appeared on Irish TV and in Irish Theatre productions......the use of Irish gaelic in the film garnered a few chuckles last night as well......not to mention Finbarr Furey and Maura O'Connell singing....the audience was rivetted last night....pin drop silience and an awed hush when it was over.......that was very impressive.......

I think Scorcese painted a wonderful portrait of pre-Civil War and Civil War New York.......and illustrated that there were civil wars within The Civil War........Fascinating to see the scene of The Union Army bombing NYC.......a timely reminder that a government will bomb it's own citizens in order to get them to toe the line.........The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, indeed.........

I can understand how the movie has angered folks as it challenges many valued American political orthodoxies....as illustrated in that that NY Post article linked up to us by Crabby......To actually consider yourself....or your European tribe and it's offspring as "native" was and is ludicrous....and it leads to the pyschopathic behaviour we witness in the film......however, there have been many people/tribes who have felt that way since The Civil War and do so to this day.....AND to portray the Irish as somewhat innocent and up against it is also a no-no........For years I've been hearing that The NYC Riots of 1863 were the results of inbred Irish racism against people of African origin.......not completely true, it would seem....."Gangs of New York" illustrated that those riots involved people of all ethnic backgrounds who did not want themselves or their loved ones to be drafted and butchered way down South.......The Irish were but one of those ethnic groups........and to show people of African origin and Irish origin actually grooving together.....dancing jigs and struggling together in dire poverty.......goes against the grain of accepted historical dogma........"Gangs of New York" also illustrated how what passed for democracy in The USA was often the result of the government working hand in hand with mob leaders.......not a nice image for a country supposed to be The Bastion of Democracy worldwide.......

It was Classic Scorcese, too, with issues of NYC Roman Catholicism brought to the fore and illustrated as only Scorcese can..........and the scene where all the different factions are saying their prayers to, apparently, the same God before the riots is pure Scorcese........

The only thing that disappointed me was the musical soundtrack.......to hear the modern drums and electronica of U2 sorta jarred me at the start.....Now, I like U2 well enuff, folks...but it didn't seem in keeping with the movie....also, I was painfully aware of Finbarr Furey and Maura O'Connell singing on the soundtrack as opposed to singing live...which they coulda done....to better effect......but then again, maybe I'm just pissed off I didn't get asked to contribute to the soundtrack!....yada, yada, yada,........I just think that if they spent that much bread on it they coulda done the music in a more authentic fashion.....the way Furey and O'Connell sang in the movie made it seem a little bit like an old style Hollywood "musical"......which it certainly was not.......Overall, tho', that's a minor quibble and I found the movie to be hugely entertaining and historically instructive..........


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: bumbles

Great story!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Professor Longhair Goes to Woodstock

LONGHAIR: There were a couple of posts last week about Professor Longhair’s 1972 brush with Albert Grossman and “rumored” unreleased recordings of Longhair backed by the Band. The following quotes from Quint Davis, producer/director of the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival and a key figure in Longhair’s career after his re-emergence at the 1971 festival, appear in Jeff Hannusch’s “I Hear You Knockin’: The Sound of New Orleans Rhythm and Blues.” Hannusch isn’t specific, but the trip to Woodstock would have been in early 1972.

“Grossman invited us up to Woodstock. We did some sessions that were supposed to come out on Bearsville, but in the end it didn’t work out. I don’t exactly know why—we did some killer sessions—but nothing ever came out. Grossman’s got all the tapes.
“You see Grossman’s big; he’s just physically big, and that’s the way he functioned. He moved with a lot of force. He created this whole community up there. He had Todd Rundgren, the Band, Paul Butterfield, the Full Tilt Boogie Band and Foghat. He built the first really advanced studio there; he was managing and he had the label.
“He seemed real interested, and he initially made the investment [$25,000]; and that money was crucial. It paid for the Baton Rouge session; I bought Fess some clothes, a car and a piano.
“We got there [Woodstock] a day early or something, and they put us up in this house that wasn’t finished; it didn’t have electricity or a phone, and they told us to hang on for a day or so until they got it together. Well, if you’re a 23-year-old Caucasian rock fan and were told to hang on in Woodstock that’s one thing, but I was there with Snooks Eaglin and Professor Longhair, and they didn’t think things were happening at all. I’ll never forget Snooks standing by the window and saying the sound of the snow falling on the roof bothered him.
“When we were there we did one strange session with some guy, and then we did a whole afternoon with the Full Tilt Boogie Band, but it just wasn’t happening...[s]o I took them to New York.”

Since Davis was obviously aware of the Band, but doesn’t mention any of them being at either Woodstock session, and since the entire Bearsville episode seems to have taken only a couple of days, it seems unlikely that a trove of Longhair-Band tapes exists. The above link, also posted last week, has information on the eventual disposition of the tapes that initially attracted Grossman’s attention and those from a later session he made possible. No direct Band involvement, apparently, but a fascinating episode. The link should especially appeal to Levonistas.

JOHN D: I didn’t know “Dr. John Plays Mac Rebennack” had been released on disc in the 80s. I did find a listing for a remastered version on Clean Cuts that was released in October 2002, the same time the Acadia version came out. As the contents are identical, it’s probably just a matter of CC distributing it in No. America and Acadia handling the U.K. & Europe.

GANGS OF NY: The film wasn’t based on a novel. Herbert Asbury’s 1927 book was, as its subtitle has it, “an informal history of the underworld.”


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Posted by:

Bill

Link Wray, the original purveyor of "Rumble" is hooked into our guy a couple of ways (a couple of which were raised recently). In the '70s he was a Hawk, having joined with Stan Szelest on one on Stan's many repeat performances with Hawkins. In the early '60s he recorded for Fascination, as did Paul London and the Capers (with Garth). And the Canadian answer record was "Tremble" by Jerry Warren and the Tremblers, whose early '60s alumni included Szelest, Rebel Payne, Scott Cushnie and Pete Traynor. Sandy Konikoff told me that it was seeing the Tremblers that turned him "from the captain of the swim team into a rock and roll maniac."


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Posted by:

Pehr

"Rumble" as a song that changed the world? Wonderful! Sure changed my world! I'm gonna pick up a copy of Q just to celebrate.



Entered at Thu Jan 16 19:30:37 CET 2003 from du-tele3-095.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.95)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Gangs of New York

Finally saw Gangs of New York. The OST CD says “from the record collections of Martin Scorsese and Robbie Robertson”. Any comments? I think as RR is Executive music producer it is relevant here. I’ll put my opinions in anyway.

Some say it’s a flawed masterpiece. While many set pieces and shots are brilliant, as an overall movie, three stars out of five would be generous. There’s too much action chasing too little plot (as ever nowadays). It’s a basic Western theme – he killed my pa, I’m gonna to get him. You know that he will manage and two and a half hours is too long to get there.

While the opening 15 minutes are superb, I am very uncomfortable about having child actors walking through the middle of carnage they would not be allowed to see in the cinema. Too traumatic for the young actors, and irresponsible of Scorsese to put them through it. And while some of the reverses mean they weren’t on set, there are shots of the child-Amsterdam walking through and witnessing the death, which aren’t trick shots.

Some things ring untrue. Day-Lewis is brilliant. Di Caprio is not. You get a brothel scene where all the men are filthy, gap-toothed, scarred, wounded and all the women are young, beautiful, lithe and half-naked - I guess they’d have looked pretty rough too. They do look rough earlier on, but Scorsese couldn’t resist the big sexy scene rather than reality. Cameron Diaz’s gorgeous appearance throughout the filth and mayhem is in true movie tradition and inevitable.

Scorsese does just about show the lynchings of African Americans in the riots, but history indicates it was more central to the causes than in this film. One comment is that life was so brutal, savage and cruel at Five Points, that being drafted into the war wouldn’t have seemed such a bad alternative. At least you’d get clothing, food, a modicum of pay and the chance of being shot or blown up, which would seem a better ending than the probability of having bits hacked off you slowly by Bill the Butcher. The sepia Civil War stills and rows of coffins present a terrifying prospect for the conscripts, but no worse than everyday life as portrayed at Five Points.

Robertson’s soundtrack supports the film brilliantly throughout. But when it’s put on a CD, it’s an unlistenable experience in a straight line. It’s too diverse. This is not a great OST to own by any means, though I can see myself selecting odd tracks (like Linda Thompson, doing Paddy’s Lament).

If I want to see a film about gangs and New York, I’d choose The Wanderers – a far better film with a far better OST. And it’s funny.


Entered at Thu Jan 16 19:22:36 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Thanks Ed Voici, finally i found someone who knows the ’Blues Brothers‘ better than me. It’s my all time fave movie. If real life in Illinois is like in the film, at least in a coarse view, you are very fortunate.
Thanks also for the correction, i have some problems in english speaking, but at the second order, is the meaning too different of my version ?
Although I posted the quotes for a pun (the band and The Band, an utopic wish, we Abrabian are known for our perfumed language), i have now one message to the GBers:
Not watching the Blues Brothers is a sin, of course, their are in mission for The Lord

BEG : Beautiful words about memories, but they bear some sadness i can hardly explain. Every one has his proper experience, my one gived me another phylosophy regarding the effect of time:
All what a souvenir can be is good

Speaking about past and memories, here is a wonderful site in the link above which provides an exhaustive practical directory of music(songs, albums), cinema (movies), and principal events, since 1900 until today, classed by year and, for every year classed by alphabetic order.


Entered at Thu Jan 16 19:22:25 CET 2003 from 234.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.234)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

...I was thinking of the Bob Dylan song "Lenny Bruce" from Shot of Love, and found a good link here...


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois: Land of the Blues Brothers

Subject: Empty Now; Blues Brothers

The dialogue between Elwood and the "barmaid" was closer to:

Elwood: "What kind of music do you have here at Bob's Country Bunker, m'am?"

Barmaid: "We have BOTH kinds of music...country AND western."


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Posted by:

Bill

John D: Thanks for the nifty Costello story. I seems to remember Larry Leblanc interviewing him on Q in the really early days - possibly even earlier tour. Larry, who's incredibly knowledgeable, was also given a pretty easy time of it by Elvis - perhaps because he'd gone out on a limb ages before just about anyone else and pushed the first album really really hard.

I always wondered why Elvis' thoughts on the Band were so worthy of inclusion in Hoskyns' book. Kind of like Clayson's (?) repeatedly relaying Wreckless Eric's thoughts on Steve Winwood.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: The Band at Woodstock '69

Howard Gladstone: How did you like Woodstock?

Robbie Robertson: I thought it was kind of remarkable, the happening, that's all. It was a drag playing. We got even less than response from the audience. The event was not the music, the event was the people. We were like Muzak. They made a big thing out of it, but it wasn't anything so special. It was just special that the people dug each other enough to stick it out. We did about half a good set. Groups weren't showing up, so they had to put them on when they came. We played in between Ten Years After and Johnny Winter, and we came out like a bunch of preacher boys. It was very inappropriate for us.

Empty Now: I've been told that all we have is our memories...Sometimes I wish I was like Adam Cohen....Leonard Cohen's son....when he sings in his "Ophelia"...."Thank God for my bad memory...I've forgotten all the stupid things I've done"....But then again....he may also be wishing.....


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Songs that changed the world

Q Special edition – Songs That changed the world. This is a good read and mentions several songs / artists we’ve discussed recently. The idea is songs that influenced the direction of music, rather than ‘the best songs’. The essays on each of the 100 songs argue the case , are by good writers like Peter Doggett and have the headline “The Case for …”. ‘Like a Rolling Stone’ references the 1966 version (of course), but other songs (with good arguments) include ‘Stayin’ Alive’, ‘Last train to Clarksville’, ‘Je t’aime’ (Birkin & Gainsbourg again), ‘Purple Haze’, ‘You Really Got Me’, ‘This Land is Your Land’, ‘O Superman,’ ‘Heroin’, ‘Merry Xmas Everybody’, ‘I Can’t Be satisfied’, Abba’s ‘Waterloo,’ ‘Telstar,’ ‘Rumble’, ‘I Will Survive’ and ‘Tie A Yellow ribbon’. Eclectic. The one I took issue with most was ‘The End’ on which it says ‘The Case For: Bringing an intellectual gravitas to pop.’ Had they put ‘pseudo-‘ in front of intellectual, I’d agree.


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Posted by:

jerry

Paul G. nice post about the Bee Gee's, I was never a fan, the whole disco thing was a turnoff to me I know there was more to the Bee Gee's than that but still wasn't my cup of tea, but by all account's I've heard they were a class act...

I'm glad Lindsey Buckingham was mentioned in the one man band thread, I actually like Mac's blues period vs. the pop success so I never really paid that much attention to the Buckingham/Nicks period of the band until they regrouped a couple of years ago now and caught them on the way through here, I was impressed by Buckinghams talent and bought his solo work, he's really a great musician and producer in his own right...


Entered at Thu Jan 16 10:58:11 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Nice Memories

One post deleted here below reminded me one of the greatest musical moments in my life, in the Isle of White Festival 69, Moody Blues, “Letters I’ve written, never meaning to send.....

BEG : Actually, i’m in Constantine, what does exactely “Muscle from Brussels” mean, I guess not J-C Van Damme?. By the same occasion you reminded me a sweet song form an Australian band, Men-at-work : “I met a man in Brussels, He was 6 feet far and full of muscles, I said do you speak my language, He just smile and gived me a vegemite sandwitch”

The next topic might not interest the GBers, i post it for my own pleasure. Some selected quotes from John Landis movie “The Blues Brothers” (1981)

In the church,
-Rev. James Browne: – Do you see the light ?
-John Belushi : -THE BAND !
-Rev. James Browne: – Do you see the light ?
-John Belushi : -THE BAND !
- Dan Aykroyd: -The band ?
-John Belushi : -THE BAND ! THE BAND!
- Dan Aykroyd: Jake...
-John Belushi : -THE BAND ! we gonna recreate THE BAND !
-Rev. James Browne: God be Praized!
- Dan Aykroyd: And God bless the United States of America

In the motel, with the barmaid
- Dan Aykroyd: what kind of music do you usually have here? - Barmaid : we got country, western, thus all kinds of music

I need you you you, I need you you you, I need you you you, in the morning. I need you you you


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Woodstock

If you want to see Dylan at Woodstock....You'll have to acquire Woodstock '94....performing "Highway 61".....I bought this video in a used music shop in NYC....."TLW" and "Woodstock The Lost Performances".....The Band performing "The Weight" and Arlo singing a complete song....Dylan's "Walking Down The Line"....I bought these videos from used music shops in Toronto.....

A couple of highlights from original Woodstock has always been Mike Shrieve playing drums like he's possessed in "Soul Sacrifice".....I think he was still a teenager....and Gregg Rolie playing organ in the cool way that he plays and sings..........Once Shrieve and Rolie left Santana...They were never the same for me......Check out Santana's "Viva Santana" for a retrospective of his music and evolution of his spirituality....plus few of my faves are on this video....."Blues For Salvador", "Samba Pa Ti", "Soul Sacrifice" and "Europa (Earth's Cry, Heaven's Smile").....Santana...."Long live John Coltrane!"......

Another highlight.....Richie Havens.....no teeth....but says it all......"Freedom"....."Freedom".......:-D

Empty Now: It was Sabena Airlines as well.....I remember buying sunglasses at Belgian Airport and losing them at Toronto Airport.....Btw....How's Muscles from Brussels these days?


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Posted by:

Jeff

Location: Brooklyn

Subject: Richard Playing Drums

A great example of Richard's great , powerful drumming is a John Sebastian song that if I am not mistaken was titled "You and Me, We Go Way Back", or something approximating that. Richie Havens, Rick and Richard, Roger McGuinn, and Felix Cavalierre were all on that with Sebastian. Richard's drumming was just a monster blast, incredibly powerful, fast and unique.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Woodstock

Actually, The Band pretty much assured themselves not being in the movie by demanding that the "movie" lights be turned off during their performance and that the cameramen keep their distance. As a result, the footage of the group had a washed-out look--almost black and white--and Garth was pretty much in the dark. Afterwards, when Grossman demanded a bunch of money for their participation in the movie, the movie folks said no thanks. Bad move.


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Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: sorry

Thanks for the correction. Sorry for my misinformation. That's nice to know.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Rock on BAND!!


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Posted by:

An Observer

Subject: Woodstock

BandFan: FYI Dylan was not at Woodstock, and the Band refused to allow their performance into the final cut of the movie, as they did not think their performance was up to snuff. Ironically, Robertson commented that CSNY had to redo some of their harmonies in the studio and the Band did not want to do that. Things changed a few years later, with TLW.


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Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Many Thanks To Cousin Paul

I really appreciate your willingness to share photos of Rick with us ,his fans. Thanks so much!


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Posted by:

randy

Location: brooklyn

Subject: the band id number 1

the band lives forever


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Jan/Owner of Site

Jan. Great Site. I have some pretty good pictures of Rick Danko from childhood until HIS death. How do I go about sending them to this site to share with his friends/fans? Email @ cousinpaul@sympatico.ca I have never been called a genious, but I do have a scanner, so tell me what to do and I will share some family photos with this site/friends/family. I hope to get a reply soon. With all respect, Cousin Paul,and The Danko/Tennier Family.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

It's a crisp, cold night in NYC. There's a full moon and you can even see a few stars.

Ed Voci: You asked if Levon and Richard ever played drums together. They did ... at the TLW! If you have the DVD go to the beginning of "Mystery Train". You will see Richard seated at the 2nd drum set located behind Levon (Ringo later used this drum set during the encore). As the song begins you can see Richard start playing the drums wildly. Unfortunately, the camera quickly pulls back so that you can only see Levon (and Paul Butterfield). It's great to see Richard playing the drums on this song (compared to his drumming on Evangeline) because you get a sense of what an amazing drummer he really was.

Lifeboy: Thank you for your message. I'll remember that your birthday is in August (mine was this past weekend) so that I can wish you a Happy Birthday when it comes around again. It's nice to meet a fellow "owl" on the GB. Have you heard Dan Zanes' new CD? It includes a fun song (w/Aimee Mann) called "Night Owl".

Bones: You mentioned that there is a Dana Glover song on the soundtrack to the new movie "Two Weeks Notice". That's interesting because I noticed in the ads that the Director of Photography for TWN is our favorite cameraman from the TLW (and the only one to film Muddy Waters): Laszlo Kovacs! Coincidence?

Scott Randall: Thank you for your message. Unfortunately, all of my photos are in color and you mentioned that you were looking for b & w. Maybe you can keep me in mind for any future projects that require color photos. I would be happy to send you some of my photos for consideration. [I would have sent you an e-mail, but unfortunately at the moment I do not have a home computer or an e-mail account.]

There is a photo and short article on Dana Glover in the current (February) issue of Vanity Fair.

Does anyone know if Joni Mitchell has mentioned in any interviews where she got the title for her current CD? I wonder if it comes from that line in "Amelia" ("life becomes a travelogue of picture postcards").

Has anyone seen Elaine Mayes' new photography book on the Monterey Pop Festival? It's really good. There are great photos of Jimi Hendrix, Jerry Garcia, Paul Butterfield, Janis Joplin, Andrew Loog Oldham, Nico etc.

Peter Viney: Did you mention that you're from Bournemouth? If so, did you grow up there? What was it like? It must have been great (I believe it's a seaside town ... is that correct?).


Entered at Thu Jan 16 00:35:52 CET 2003 from h00b0d0c96949.swt.edu (147.26.110.115)

Posted by:

pehr

Subject: A Little Geoff Muldaur Story...

Havent heard from Geoff Muldaur for a while, thanks for the update! After I discovered the band I wqent on a spree of reading books about Rock n Roll, etc. and Al Kooper's "Backstage Passes" was chock full of leads for me to investigate. One of the threads it lead me to was "The Blues Project", (the record, not the band) that had many versions of "Urban" (white) acoustic blues includeing Dave Van Ronk, Mark Spoelstra, Eric Von Schmidt and so on. When I got to Geoff Muldaur's version of Skip James' "Devil got My Woman Blues" it really floored me! (Though at the time I didn't know who Skip James was)That shakey voice was spookier to me than Neil Young's, the lyrics were mystical and the guitar was so mimimal and essential I didnt listen to anything else for a good while, at least not until I could struggle out my version.

Later I met and befriended a great guy ("Urban" Bluesman) that was up there in the villiage himself during that time. He managed Fred McDowell and some other heavyweight cats and he let me hang around and showed me some basic guitar fingerpicking patterns and subtle blues things I'd never have picked up without him. Well, I cant remember the details of the story but while he was hanging out in the villiage he was drafted into the viet nam war but somehow Geoff Muldaur came to his aid and helped him get out of that mess. He would play a beautiful instrumental song of Muldaur's called "Mole's Moan" as a tribute during his set. I ended up lifting a version from that and its one of my favorite songs to play those occasions when I get up there. Its a real beauty.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Crabgrass' post

Hello,

recently you said, "Well, it's interesting to see that at least one poster has appointed himself as judge and jury and already pronounced Pete Townshend guilty," referring to me.

If you're right, and I don't think you are, acting as judge of Pete Townshend wasn't my intention. I was using a fact in the case, if there is a case, which is that under English law Townshend admitted to a criminal act...or the police say he did...or the press says he did. Maybe I should have been careful to say he was not a convicted criminal.

I'll look at my post again to see if there was something negative or thought-policing about Pete Townshend...but it's news to me.

As far as the rest of my message I don't think that your views of the case, and mine, are dissimilar.


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Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Thanks Paul Godfrey

Thanks for your link Paul! I like that picture with Levon, Ronnie Hawkins, you and those other two guys. It looks like it would be great fun to hang out with Levon and Ronnie.


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Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Empty Now

I was also shocked at the exclusion of The Band and Bob Dylan from the "final cut" of the Woodstock movie. Although I appreciate the Woodstock movie I wish it would have been shot from more of a documentarian standpoint. I feel like I missed alot with the exclusion of certain musical acts and the splicing of certain parts to fit the director's taste.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 22:26:07 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

I highly recommend these recent Geoff Muldaur albums, available on CD:

The Secret Handshake (1998 High Tone)
Password (2000 High Tone)
Blues Boy (2001 Bullseye/Rounder) -- a compilation of 12 songs taken from two albums from the late '70s. Includes a wonderful version of Bobby Charles' "Walking to New Orleans".


Entered at Wed Jan 15 21:57:36 CET 2003 from du-tele3-175.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.175)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Thanks JQ for sharing the story of the encounter. Muldaur's solo blues albums are some of the finest 'white blues' (if you'll excuse the term) recorded. The 70s Geoff and Maria Muldaur albums are gems. He is among the very best guitarists of his generation. Now to track down that "new" von Schmidt album where Geoff Muldaur meets Rick and Garth. Sounds like a fine combination. I also wondered who they could have replaced Robbie with in the 80s (songwriting rather than guitar playing being the key). I often thought Ry Cooder. Geoff Muldaur would have been equally qualified. There's no higher praise than that!


Entered at Wed Jan 15 21:34:51 CET 2003 from (66.237.235.243)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Geoff Muldaur

Mr Viney - We went up to Santa Barbara last summer for a Nick Lowe solo deal and the opener was Geoff Muldaur. I hung around during the afternoon sound check and told him about bumping into him, in the jax at the Troubadour, when Better Days were there, 73? Bonnie Raitt was the opener that night. (Loads of name dropping here, eh). So, that night (2002) he said to the crowd something like "I'm glad you folks remember Better Days!" He was met with total silence. He played a half-hour, mostly a John Hurt style, but very restrained. After both guys played there was a reception and both artists attended. There was a crowd (maybe 50) folks around Nick Lowe but Geoff Muldaur was alone at a table. So I went over to him and talked bit. Naturally, afterwards, I thought of a hundred better things to say or ask but he did tell me that he had been out of the music biz/scene for a good while. Living in Venice (Cal) and working in a fiancial industry. Nick was into white wine & cigs but it was botted water for Mr Muldaur. A very nice gent and accomplished player. That's my gossipy lot.

Wait... talking about N Lowe makes me think of Carlene Carter who just got busted for stealing her recently deceased boyfriend's identity to use his prescriptions. Or something like that. A very troubled gal I think.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 21:23:05 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Posting Again Re: Bones

Bones..re the remark from Elvis about the Danko CD being the best of the solo efforts. I always felt that Rick's first solo CD and "American Son" by "Levon" were my two favorite solo releases.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 20:54:58 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Many thanks to J. Donabie for the Costello story. I have a bootleg cd that has Elvis doing a cover of The Band's "Stage Fright". I love that he is a huge Band fan. According to the Hoskyns book, Rick Danko's solo cd was the best Band solo release in Costello's opinion. The reason was that Rick's record sounded most like the Band according to Elvis.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dr. John More Confusion

OK....so I just went to the U.K. site of Amazon. They list the full 13 tracks that I have on my 1988 "Clean Cuts" label version (No changes at all); but not the three tracks that are called bonus tracks on the Amazon.com site of the new version. Mixed up Confusion as Bob would say.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bumbles / Dr. John Plays Mac Rebennack Re-Release

Looking at Bumbles post regarding the re-release of the Dr. John CD got me excited. I immediately went to Amazon.com to check it out and see what differences there were between this newest release and the one I own on the Clean Cuts label released in 1988 on CD.

The good news...It has three tracks on it that are not on mine for a total of 8 cuts.

The bad news....mine has 13 tracks on it! What happened to the other 5 tracks? The newest version has "Careless Love, Deep Blues and Ti-Na-Na on it. Mine does not. However my version on Clean Cuts says on the back of it that this version contains three unreleased tracks that are not on the vinyl version.

My version contains "Mac's Boogie, Memories of Professor Longhair, The Nearness of You, Delicado, Honey Dripper, New Island Midnight, Saints and Pinetop that are not on the new version. Go figure. Unless Amazon.com dropped some of the tracks off the printed text then I'll stick with my original "Clean Cuts" version with 13 tracks. However after saying that........if the new version is the only one out there than BUY IT! The Dr. is in fine form on this one.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 19:58:10 CET 2003 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Subject: Elvis Costello & The Band

Thanks John D for sharing that anecdote. It reminded me that somewhere in my long slide down the razor blade of life (with apologies to Tom Lehrer), I encountered an interview with EC where he extolled the virtures of The Band. He also mentioned that "Blame It On Cain" from My Aim Is True was an unabashed attempt on his part to write a Robbie Robertson type song. At that point I had owned the album for several years but had never noticed any Band connection...so I put it on the turntable, and damn if he wasn't right! I'm not sure if his aim was true, but he didn't miss by much.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: SDQ/Anti-American Deconstructivism

ACADIA: In a short time, the Acadia label has done an outstanding job of reissuing worthy titles that somehow fell between the cracks, the most significant Band-related release other than “Levon Helm” so far being Dr. John’s first solo-piano album, with its follow-up scheduled for release this year. At the same time the label issued “LH” last fall, they also performed the enormous service of releasing (with bonus tracks) the 5 classic Sir Douglas Quintet lp’s that originally appeared on Mercury & Phillips in the early 70s, the first official appearance for any of these since the original vinyl went out of print. Good News: The page for Levon’s album on the Acadia site has a link to this site. Bad News: It doesn’t work.

NEW YORK POST: Out of towners probably don’t realize what a treat Fredric U. Dicker’s piece on “Gangs of New York” really is, the arts not usually falling under the purview of his regular statehouse column, which, unsurprisingly in a Murdoch paper, peddles the Republican party line and unearths various opposition scandals (two in today’s paper alone, both involving black Democrats from Brooklyn). As far as anti-American “deconstructivism,” at least one other review (in the “New York Observer”) took Scorsese to task for soft-pedaling the historical ugliness, specifically in his depiction of the draft riots, which omits actual events such as numerous lamppost lynchings and the horrific burning of the “colored” orphanage.

JOHN D: That is a terrific Costello story. Did you get him the record?


Entered at Wed Jan 15 18:41:11 CET 2003 from du-tele3-137.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.137)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Lost Eric von Schmidt album!

The latest Mojo has solved one of my unsubstantiated session links to Geoff Muldaur:

“A slew of rum soaked Eric Von Schmidt tunes laid down at Woodstock’s Bearsville Studios in 1972, with friends Rick Danko and Garth Hudson of The Band, Paul Butterfield and Maria and Geoff Muldaur. These tracks are from Living on The Trail, a long lost Von Schmidt album recently released – call it 30 years late and right on time. The album’s heartbroken ballad (is) Thunder Heads Keep Rolling.”


Entered at Wed Jan 15 16:54:13 CET 2003 from 172.red-80-58-4.pooles.rima-tde.net (80.58.4.172)

Posted by:

Jotaeme-

Location: Spain

Greetings from Madrid, Spain. Great site, great r'n'r band.


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Bee Gees

Not commented on the passing of a Bee Gee until I could get my thoughts together.

In the mid to late 70's I did an interview with them and presented them with their gold records at a reception after a show I was fortunate to mc at Toronto's Okeefe Centre. There is a photo taken with them on that occassion on the above link under 'days gone by'

As a group I remember them as being fun, full of humour, humble and appreciative of their success, even a little surprised at their second round of success ie: Saturday Night Fever et al. I was never a disco fan. I always called it 'Thump Thump Music'. Odd because I mc'd a Disco Dancing TV show at the height of disco. Go figure.

Inspite of my likes or dislikes musically...I could not but feel great about their success in general and how well they handled it. It was as if they trully wanted to give back..to share that success with their fans and even the lowly media.

Another music milestone has come and gone, but hopefully will be remembered.

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dave Z

Hey Dave....You're going to have to let that beautiful wife give you a pardon in the spring and get out to some shows. In fact get a baby-sitter and bring that lovely young woman with you :-)


Entered at Wed Jan 15 15:27:19 CET 2003 from libstfstx03.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.34.238)

Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Searching for cds

When I'm looking for something obscure or OP I try half.com and gemm.com. Both sites have used and new cds; half.com has more used stuff, and it's not as good a source as it once was.

It's also helpful to search the artist or the album title with google; I found an Irish source for Kevin Doherty's latest album that way, but I had to look through quite a few sites that were not relevent; there's a Kevin Doherty active in sports, and a teenager who plays music. There's a site that's mostly self-published music, cdbaby.com, that often lists somewhat obscure music, especially from the US. It's a nice site run by nice people.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 15:17:27 CET 2003 from jed10.revealed.net (208.23.178.105)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: George Harrison joins Cream?

That's interesting. Though if that had happened, Cream would have had to tone it down a little onstage so George could actually get to play. Cream were three virtuosos onstage. In the studio, that wouldn't have been a problem. I once read that Clapton pondered if they could've continued by adding a keyboard player (mentioning Steve Winwood) and changing the sound. I doubt that have worked. Very intriguing scenario Sam. Your scenario wipes away the possibility of Derek and The Dominos. Uh oh! By the way, I sent you my list. I'm hope you got it :)

Mike


Entered at Wed Jan 15 15:07:26 CET 2003 from jed10.revealed.net (208.23.178.105)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: One man bands

When I think of that, I think of Lindsey Buckingham's solo albums.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 14:33:22 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.34)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: The motor of art creation

Lil: Thank you very much

One quote from Orson Wells in "the third man" (1949) about cultural contribution, "While Italia since the Roman era lived wars, razzia, unsecurity, with bandits and condottieri, it produced Leonardo da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangello, Vivaldi, Rossini, Verdi,... meanwhile during 15 centuries Switzerland lived in a total peace and quiteness, what did it produce ?... the clock which says cuckoo".
Bandfan openned the topic, we'll never point it out sufficiently, the Vietnam war era was accompainied by the best musical creation in modern history, is there a direct relationship? I don't know. And like any trendy movement, it included some seasonial protest-singers. And like any trendy movement, some who missed the rendez-vous attempted to recreate its atmosphere later for some artifitial cause, the difference beeing observable on the quality of the music.
After Woodstock and Isle of White, there was a lot of mega-concerts dedicated to some ideal. With no value judgement, I mention "No Nukes" in 1978, and more recently "Life Aid", "Human Rights Watch", "Mandella Days"...I'm wonderring why I didn't enjoy as well the soundtrack of the latter, despite of the similarity between the style and the mission.
Here is a connection with last Woodlark post, to whose my comment before may appear paradoxal. In Algeria, a wealth of talented musicians appeared inside the war ambiance. They are now disseminated throughout the world in Eur-Am, Arabian countries, Africa, and even in Japan, preaching everywhere the same message of love, life, peace, and fraternity, breaking all the obsolete taboos and ethnic prejujes. Some of them are still here, 4 of them, famous local stars of the last decade have been killed in the most awful manner, only for being singers
Back to the US-UK. Talking about seasonial protest-singers suggests the existance of all-time protest-singers, there are a lot fortunately, who are not corrupted by trends and by ages. Each era brings new dangers and new chalenges for the human kind. Now more more than any time else, their vision is welcome. No need to mention them, everybody here knows them.
About the Woodstock films, did anyone here observed that in major commercial, shortenned, or TV diffusions, the appearing of the Band is cut, at a point that many people dont know the presence of the Band in Woodstock. Yes yes yes, on one European station that brodcasted in August 2002 the festival (i dont remember which one, Arte perhaps...) in two episods of three hours duration each one, The Band were absent. Shocking!!!


Entered at Wed Jan 15 13:15:46 CET 2003 from du-tele3-030.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.30)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Third time

Missed the What’s New? section when I posted on Scorsese and the blues – the concert must be part of the whole thing and Levon is involved.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 12:28:38 CET 2003 from pcp01420654pcs.lndsd101.pa.comcast.net (68.81.34.77)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Real Solo

Steve Winwood is the King of Real sols albums.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 11:53:45 CET 2003 from du-tele3-155.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.155)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Still on Scorsese

Thanks for the link to the Gangs of NY article by Frederic U. Pecker. I was hugely impressed to see that he has an M.A. in American History and so proud of it that he puts it on his byline. There can’t be many of those. Pecker is clearly a man of towering intellect. I had foolishly thought that Gangs of NY was a movie based on a novel, i.e. a work of fiction. Mr Pecker has revealed that it is actually a documentary. Having studied the infamous Hollywood “Witch trials” on writers in some detail, I was thrilled to see that Pecker has the courage to revisit them, ignore all that phony revisionist stuff that 99.9% of the world believes and take the full McCarthy & Nixon on them. Wow! I will be storing this NY Post.com as a favourite. Coming up shortly will the proof that the Salem Witch Trials were fully justified and cleared up a nasty cell of early abortionist communist devil-worshippers. This will be followed by “Sail Away” - a cogent defence of slavery (You can drink wine and sing about Jesus all day). Never having heard of Mr Pecker before, I have only two questions. One he should proofread his copy, because his first name has been spelled wrongly- there should be a ‘k’ on the end. Then the only middle initial ‘U’ I can think of are Ursula and Ulysses. The world demands to know what it is. Hang on, F ; Frederic – U – PeCKer – this must be a spoof.

So if ‘Gangs of NY’ is fact, not fiction, does that mean that The Last Waltz is fiction not fact?


Entered at Wed Jan 15 11:47:07 CET 2003 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: A nice surprise

Nothing like nice gifts... Bill Wyman's _Blues Odyssey_ book and CD arrived by mail today. What a wonderful surprise! Thanks, Bob W.!!


Entered at Wed Jan 15 11:03:31 CET 2003 from du-tele3-042.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.42)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mojo / Electric Mud

Mojo latest issue is on “British Eccentrics” with the cover story on Kate Bush, and articles on Ray Davies and XTC , There is the inevitable “Top 50 British Eccentric Albums” which thankfully doesn’t try to number them in order and appears to be chronological. Robin Gibb gets in (as do ISB, The Kinks ‘Arthur etc). Just as Woodlark mentions them, the ‘Hello Goodbye’ feature is Jane Birkin & Serge Gainsbourg. Berkin is doing a UK tour soon. Also Lou Reed on The Raven.

The most apparent Band interest might be an article on “Electric Mud” by Muddy Waters. Seems it was selling hugely and getting airplay until the Rolling Stone review stopped it dead. For years it was quoted as one of the worst albums ever, until the hip-hop artists rediscovered it. Anyway, it seems that the Electric Mud band have been reunited to record “Mannish Boy” for … Martin Scorsese’s new documentary series ‘The Blues’. Vocals are by Chuck D, Common, DJ Juice and Ahmir ?uestlove (if I’ve typed these unfamiliar and unlikely names correctly). One can only assume that he’ll be putting it next to another version he once filmed … I hadn’t heard anything about this series. I wonder immediately if there’ll be any Robbie involvement. But I’m trying to imagine Levon’s reaction to a call starting, “Hey, this is Marty … Martin Scorsese? Haven’t seen you since The Last Waltz interviews …” Or maybe not.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 08:51:10 CET 2003 from as3-1-20.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.198)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Web: My link

Follow the link to listen to Ronnie Hawkins being interviewed on the CBC on the death of Richard "King Biscuit Boy" Newell.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 08:44:11 CET 2003 from as3-1-20.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.198)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: one-man bands

John Fogerty's "Centerfield" and "Blue Ridge Rangers" also come to mind as multitracked "band" performances by a single musician...both after "McCartney" though.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 08:13:37 CET 2003 from 1cust80.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.80)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

I think Jesse "Lone Cat" Fuller was probably the first to do a "one guy playing everything" recording. McCartney's first solo album sounded kind of sterile in my opinion precisely because he played everything - you need human interaction to make music really come alive.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 06:01:38 CET 2003 from 1cust242.tnt1.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.135.242)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: REAL Solo Albums

Bayou Sam: that is a good question about whether or not the first McCartney solo record was truly the first time a multi-tracked, full "band" album featured one guy playing everything. Of course, Dylan and countless folkies had done that forever with just a couple of instruments, but I imagine that McCartney broke some ground with that disc. Who else has done it since--Stevie Wonder...Todd Rundgren?? Each of the members of The Band could have done the same if they had wanted to do so.

Calvin: since CD-NOW was bought by Amazon I'm having trouble finding much obscure music on the web myself. Any tips from others would be appreciated by me, too.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 05:33:07 CET 2003 from dialup-67.73.155.20.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.73.155.20)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Crabby, I must say I laughed out loud at Frederic U. Dicker's take on Gangs. I haven't seen it yet, but I have a hard time finding enobling traits in either Tammany Hall circa 1863 or the Irish gangs that rioted against the draft that same year. Of course, Dicker would want Walt Whitman to calm the crowd with an emotional rendering of Leaves of Grass, at least until Dicker discovers that Whitman was gay and, Bible be believed, going to Hell. Well, at least Walt would have some function on earth.

An Elvis disc? Get Happy. Don't wait a moment, get it right away, although it hasn't been remastered yet which is worth the wait.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 05:26:08 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Wow - according to the "What's New" page it looks like Levon might be in the same building (Radio City) as Martin Scorsese next month. That should be interesting.

Hank - nice to "see" you. I don't know why The Band wasn't at the Bangladesh concert. maybe the same reason George wasn't at TLW - whatever the reason is.

I imagined a scenario today where, in 1968, George Harrison abruptly announces that he's leaving The Beatles and joining Cream....Cream last's until about 1973 and puts out several more great albums.......The Beatles try to record with John and Paul taking the lead guitar chores, but the two albums after the White Album just aren't the same.

hey, I didn't get much sleep last night.

I got an Emitt Rhodes album today (ebay) after I saw him mentioned in here. I gave it a quick listen, and I liked it. He plays all the instruments on it - and it's from the same year Macca did that (1970). This made me wonder when might be the first time someone did a whole album where they are playing everything.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 05:09:06 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

John D, the things you've seen... anyway, I wish somebody would have posted something on the Hudson shows recently... supporting the Hawk and his boys, whoever they are?... or what about the the JWB on 1/11?... I want to hear something... damn, this Shiraz goes straight to the head... so what's a good Elvis C CD to start with... and I don't like punk... yes, there's the wine talking... how is some of his recent stuff?... He seemed pretty genuine when he posted his respects to the Band re: TLW from his bus a while back... a friend made me a compilation of his older bootleg stuff... but I must be in a parallel universe... quite healthy actually, I took a short break from my Band lsitening continuous loop... and am caught in a Grateful Dead vortex... that McNeilly book is so cool... anyway, I hope the snows are melting Lil... it's rock solid tundra-ish here right now... freeze any dire wolf not inside by a fire drinking Shiraz...anyway, my wife picked the Shiraz... I was eyeing up a Piesporter Michelburg myself... and I can't figure out why there's not at least one characterization of Hell that is not hot... but instead freezing cold... if I was in Hell this morning pumping gas into my jeep, I should have immediately blown up... which would have been Heaven compared to shivering... in the sunshine... ga-nite...


Entered at Wed Jan 15 04:59:17 CET 2003 from 1cust163.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.163)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Gangs of New York

Click link to read column in today's NY POST regarding Scorcese's latest.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 04:02:04 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

John D.

Location: wanna know

John, Great info! Where's the interview? Thanks


Entered at Wed Jan 15 03:59:43 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Little Help finding some CD's please

Hey all. Can a few of you take a moment or two and post your favorite sites for finding hard to locate CDs. I'm looking for a few things not on Amazon.com. ANd leads would be appreciated.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 03:52:16 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: The Valley Below

Subject: Celebrity Justice in the USA

Pete Townshend lives in England, not the USA. Celebrities have been known to get away (literally) with murder in America. I'm not saying that Townshend is guilty of anything, though. I once wound up on a porn site while looking for the White House Web Site when I put dot com at the end rather than dot gov.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 03:39:34 CET 2003 from pcp02256166pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net (68.41.190.6)

Posted by:

twilight

Location: ann arbor, mi

Subject: John D

What an absolutely fabulous story John D. Made my day.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 03:38:33 CET 2003 from (38.201.148.3)

Posted by:

Jay W.

Location: Atlanta, GA
Web: My link

Subject: Levon Helm (1978) CD Reissue

I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned here yet, but Levon's self-titled album from 1978 has been reissued on the Acadia label out of the UK (catalogue number ACA 8037). This was the one Levon solo album excluded from the Edsel reissues of a few years ago. Acadia is a subsidiary of Evangeline, a new label created by Andrew Lauder and Pete Macklin, formerly of Demon/Edsel Records.

It seems to be readily available in the US, too. I picked my copy up at Tower Records in Atlanta ($18.99) and got another copy for my brother at Borders in Atlanta ($15.99). The disc is also listed at $14.99 at bestbuy.com. For what it's worth, I ordered a couple of discs on the Acadia label I couldn't find locally (the first two post-Joplin album by Big Brother & The Holding Company) from Best Buy's website, and they shipped right away.

More information on the reissue can be found at the above web page. Click on Current Releases, and the Levon album is on the fourth row from the bottom.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 03:14:26 CET 2003 from mcha-aa096.taconic.net (205.231.148.95)

Posted by:

Lil

John D: Loved your Elvis Costello story! Thanks for sharing that.

Empty Now: Nice to see you back here. I hope I misunderstood your post, but I came away from reading it with the feeling that you're perhaps very ill..? Forgive me if I read it wrong, but in case I didn't, I just wanted to wish you good health.

I wasn't even going to comment ont his, but I'm having a real problem understanding how lyrics to a song about a teenage boy masturbating while looking at a pin-up is even remotely connected to the sickening subject of pedophilia. I really don't want an answer though.

Butch: That show at Radio City Music Hall sounds like it will be _amazing_! Do you know how much the tickets are for it? (And should I sit down before you tell me? :-) Thanks.

Have a good night everyone.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 02:44:55 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-149-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.149)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: Woodstock Director's Cut DVD

I recently purchased the Woodstock Movie on dvd. I had forgotten how many great musical acts were featured! Crosby, Stills, and Nash as well as Arlo Guthrie , Country Joe , Jefferson Airplane, The Who, Joan Baez, Sly and The Family Stone, Joe Cocker, Jimi Hendrix and others. It has renewed my interest in folk and protest music of that era. Just thought I'd share.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 02:39:19 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pete

If Michael Jackson could get off (maybe that's a bad choice of words...)after having minors in his bed, I think Pete shouldn't have to much of a problem.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 02:16:39 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: What's New: Levon and the Radio City blues show

S***! I had a choice of being in the New York area or Dallas and I took Dallas for climatic reasons that week!!! So, Congress declared 2003 the 'Year of the Blues'. Now, even you of the Democratic political persuasion should admit that the Republicans have done at least ONE teensie weensie thing right :)


Entered at Wed Jan 15 02:11:02 CET 2003 from host217-40-222-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.40.222.182)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Pictures of Lily

The posting of those lyrics made me remember something and I went and dug it out, it's from a book by Pete's art school friend Richard Barnes and it's called "The Who - Maximum R&B".It's from an interview Pete did with NME in 1967.

"Really it's just a look back to that period in every boy's life when he has pin-ups. The idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had of an old vaudeville star-Lily Bayliss. It was an old 1920's postcard and someone had written on it - 'Here's another picture of Lily'. It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period."

I don't see any connection to the current situation myself, other than the fact that it is of a sexual nature but ain't a lot of rock n'roll that way? It's just about teenage masturbation. The lyrics are pretty clear, and amusing.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 01:51:44 CET 2003 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Celebrity notes from all over

As long as we're on this topic, here's the latest re Van the Man from AP:

LONDON (AP) — The sister of rock ’n’ roll legend Jerry Lee Lewis has withdrawn harassment allegations against singer Van Morrison, a court said Tuesday.

Linda Gail Lewis, 54, had lodged two claims — one of sexual harassment and one of wrongful dismissal — against Morrison, her former employer.

An employment tribunal in Cardiff, Wales, rejected the wrongful dismissal claim in July 2002, and announced Tuesday that Morrison and Lewis had settled the other claim.

Morrison’s lawyer, Paul Tweed, said he couldn’t reveal terms of the agreement, but said Lewis had dropped her allegations and apologized to the singer, whose hits include Moondance and Brown Eyed Girl.

“Mr. Morrison remains very disappointed that the legal process has taken almost two years to reach this stage,” Tweed said after the hearing.

“However, he is pleased that these claims before the employment tribunal have finally been withdrawn, and he has now accepted a full apology and comprehensive retraction, which represents a complete vindication of his stance from the outset.”

Lewis, a country singer whose case was listed at the tribunal under her married name of Braddock, had claimed she was fired after telling the star she was going to leave her job at the end of a tour.

She also claimed he made unwanted sexual advances. Morrison, 57, denied the allegations.

The news media were banned from identifying Morrison during earlier hearings of the case.



Entered at Wed Jan 15 01:46:32 CET 2003 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

MIke Nomad

Subject: Townshend

The Associated Press has now moved the following correction:

In a Jan. 13 story about Pete Townshend, the rock guitarist and co-founder of the Who, the Associated Press erroneously reported that he had admitted using his credit card to download images from an Internet site advertising child pornography.

Townshend said only that he had used his credit card to enter the site and told a London newspaper he had never downloaded child pornography.


Entered at Wed Jan 15 00:37:14 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Elvis Costello

I may have told this story once before; but because Mr. Costello has come up again, I thought I would share it with you.

The year was 1977, I believe, and Elvis was coming out with his first album. His reputation for eating disc-jockeys alive was already rumored. He was to come down to the station (Q-107) in the afternoon. It would be his 2nd interview of his first tour before his gig at the El Mocambo. While I was on the air I had another radio in my ear listening to his interview at the competition. He was eating her up. I realized that he wanted smart questions and you better know your music. I get a call on the private line and it's Dave from CBS telling me they will be down shortly. I tell him that I'm a little nervous about this one. He tells me that he's told Costello something about me and it seemed to please him. I asked him what it was. He said you'll find out.

Costello an hour later enters the studio. He sits down and looks at me and says, "So is it true you could help me find a copy of "Who Do You Love" by Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks?" I must have looked puzzled. I said "sure, no problem." He says, "You know Hawkins? You've know The Hawks...er The Band." I respond with a nod. After that it was smooth sailing. Elvis did indeed have a passion for The Hawks/Band and still does. He turned out to be a reall nice bloke.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 23:44:47 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I've enjoyed many a Cat Stevens song and still can: but I was really discusted by VH1 a few years back when he did an interview to push his remixed collection. They really let him double talk his way around his tacit approval of the Rushie threat; but they wish they could have that one back. Well, maybe.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:53:22 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Empty Now/Cat Stevens

No need to worry about 'trite' anything! I'm sorry if I opened some bad memories for you by my mention of Cat Stevens. I will be the first to admit I do not know the extent of his views, beliefs, etc. I mentioned him because he was the closest comparison I could make to Bob Dylans religous conversion of the late 70's. Sorry I didn't make a good one!


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:53:32 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Pete Sears is another of those guys that turns up in the oddest places - with Levon, with Rod Stewart, with the Starship, in a group - was it Silver Meter? - with Leigh Stephens of Frijid Pink ...

I saw him with Jefferson Starship once, with John Barbata on drums. Barbata also played with Neil Young, I was reminded the other day reading "Shakey". That's an excellent book, with just the right approach to sources - says who they are for each chapter, and tells the exact source of every quote used. Anyway, as somebody (Peter V?) said awhile ago, one of our guys plays an important cameo role, i.e., it seems to have been principally at Rick Danko's insistence that "Tonight's The Night" was released. (Unfortunately that's one of the LPs I dumped, mistakenly thinking I'd never wanna hear it again.) There's also a bit about Neil's reaction to the Band selling "The Weight" to Diet Coke: "Jesus Christ - they actually used the recording!" And of course Rick and Levon's appearance on "On The Beach". Note to Peter V: surely tapes exist of those two recording more than the one (Rick) or two (Levon) songs that were used on the LP, given Young's propensity to have the recorders running all the time every time.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:28:45 CET 2003 from 1cust226.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.226)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Thought Crimes

Well, it's interesting to see that at least one poster has appointed himself as judge and jury and already pronounced Pete Townshend guilty.

Is Playboy magazine and similar "adult porn" inciting individuals to commit rape or is it helping to keep actual sex crime statistics lower by assisting oversexed individuals to quell their lustful desires in the privacy of their own hands?

Are Martin Scorcese and Robbie (Let's make this Band related!!) inciting individuals to commit murder, steal, and abuse women by their involvement with film projects such as Raging Bull, Goodfellas, etc? Aren't these films promoting violent crime by glamorizing it? (The real-life protagonists of Raging Bull and Goodfellas were certainly not as attractive or appealing as their big-screen counterparts.) Should it be a crime to make or view such films?

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine." - BD


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:23:34 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Thanks Butch for the info.

David Powell: I just recently purchased two Pete Sears cds. One was the recent collaboration with Levon, and the other was a DCC Gold version of Red Octopus by Jefferson Starship. I know you're a fan of Steve Hoffman's. Red Octopus was one of the worst cd transfers of all time (right up there with Springsteen's Born To Run and Costello's first version of My Aim Is True). The DCC Gold version is so much better. Many kudos to Mr. Hoffman.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:05:35 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.196)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Questions without answers

I am really confused for leaving the GB for about 2 months. I recently received an email from Mrs Woodlark that gave me enough courage to enter again, Hi Woodlark!
I’ve read all the posts during this period, so I ought to answer to those which were intended to me.

Diamond Lil: (Oct 14) from the beginning, I observed occasionnally some little nasty exchange of posts between certain GBers, and I was afraid that one day it will happens to me, cause I’m feeling that I have not enough time to live and this wonderful place gived me the chance to feel a sensation of living I haven’t in the real life. You know, we The Band fans belong to one generation which is not too young, my health is seriously affected, and I’m living in an area where “death is lived daily” (Guy De Maupassant)….

Bassman Lee: (Oct 14) Art Tatum has really written Happy Birthday

Peter Viney (Oct 14) National specificities and ethnic humour. On each topic, Pete, you are always the one who gives the best lecture. I am wonderring what this GB will be in your absence. I hate French jokes about Belgians, my humour sense is more refined, it grown with John Cleese, Mel Brooks, Woody Allen, Richard Prior….and now with….

BWNWITennessee (Oct 14): Constantine-Brabant

BEG (Nov 17) Zaventem Airport, the gate to all the pleasures

Roz (Nov 5) Thank you

Jtull Fan: I’am really confused about my first reaction. Sorry
Present day. Your mention of Cat Steven’s reconversion. I enjoyed him the years of “Sad Lisa” and “Wild World”. I would to tell you friendly and sincerely, without openning a trite political debate, the way I feel him since he gived one conference in the Constantine University in 1986 or something like that. The ideas he then preached with his compainions plunged my country in the terrorism evil that the whole world watched on the TV news. In 2003 we are entering the 11th year of war, increasing the number and the horrible manner of innocent lives shortened, with a considerably greater number of Lisas saddened. Here we are in the wild world. I am not trying to say that he was responsible, but I hope giving a matter of relection to all Artists who lend their celebrity and image to some suspicious hypothetic creedence that you call a conviction, but that I call an irresponsible extravagance.
Sorry, I hoped to come back in a more funny way. I just remembered that my country spent 11 horrible years between terrorist bombs and Celine songs

Woodlark: Thank you for the music (Abba). Following your hopeful post, this country is perhaps so saturated by free deaths that it will bring the most efficient peace solutions the world is waiting for.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 22:01:49 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Speaking of Elvis Costello, I have become quite jealous of him as I saw he is now going out with Diana Krall, who could have a date with me any time. I hope he is deserving and treats her well. I have been watching her "Live in Paris" DVD. (Of course purely for the beauty of the music, not because she is so gorgeous!)


Entered at Tue Jan 14 21:35:19 CET 2003 from gpf-t199.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.199)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Costello on Manuel

What follows is from the "Journal" section of Island Records's Elvis Costello website. Mr. Costello posted this Aug 12 2002. Probably been posted here before, but I don't remember seeing it....:

As always in Japan, I seemed to spend a lot of time in record shops. I quickly filled the remaining space in my suitcase with all sorts of unusual and unique editions, including a very haunting live Richard Manuel album recorded a year before his death, on which he sings several Ray Charles songs to what sounds like a very casual and small club. He also performs solo versions of many titles that he originally recorded with The Band. His voice is quite fragile at times and he makes little attempt to create a full accompaniment to these songs, apparently playing just “his” piano part – something that can be rather disconcerting unless you know those recordings well enough to fill in the other parts in your mind. Nevertheless, there are several wonderful moments, especially when he is joined by his former colleague, Rick Danko, for the frail but moving two-part harmony in the chorus of “Tears of Rage”. “The record is called “Whispering Pines – Live at the Getaway”


Entered at Tue Jan 14 21:32:42 CET 2003 from 234.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.234)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Townshend in Context

No matter what the truth is about Pete Townshend's involvement with child pornography it's not a surprising story given the strong element of rock and roll representations of sexuality that cast women as young playthings...this is not to excuse what Townshend did, but an attempt to understand its context and that there are many people who participate, consciously or not...I don't have to point out examples from lyrics going all the way back to early blues, and further I'm sure, everyone here can think of examples...I think that much of society endorses a view of sexuality that isn't so far from what Townshend has been "researching."

The most obvious example would be Britney Spears, who is legally an adult, a woman, but markets herself as an available but not available Lolita.

And everyone remembers Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Page, Bill Wyman, Chuck Berry, to name just a few people who are often fetishized...what do they have in common besides being musicians?--behavior that many would describe as perverted because of the age and fame and power differential at work...

As I get older I see these scandals that hit artists who have meant much to me as opportunities to look at myself and be honest as to what extent I'm involved, in a carefree way, with thought and expression that, while it may not be identical to Townshend's materials, has the same origins.

I also have found it tough but necessary to deal with the reality that much of what I enjoy is tied in with patriarchy, white privilege, even when it seems subversive...the music of "free love" was often played and sung by male supremacists...

Though it is interesting that when I think of misogynist rock and roll I don't think about the Who, they don't have that image for me.

Based on what I've seen so far Townshend is a criminal--no matter what he looked at those things for, in his country it's a crime to do so--and also a scapegoat. He should be punished, but it is hypocritical of corporate media to condemn him, if they do so.

I think that so long as we make everything into a commodity, especially sexuality, that is designed for profit, the production and availability of the images he used is built into our system.

this is the most political post I've ever put here, I think...the feminist idea that "the personal is political" is true, I believe--wherever power is exercised we find the political, and Pete Townshend found that out, again, that what we think is private is caught up in historical, political, social processes.

That was made vivid for me when I saw a photo of Townshend's home in a London suburb. It looks like a bank, or a place to buy insurance, or part of a movie set where you expect to see a colonial official's face at the door. It made me think about class, respectability, solid citizenship...and how those things are built on denial of sexual expression, denial of the body, denial of appetites, in Western civilization.



Entered at Tue Jan 14 21:21:47 CET 2003 from mcha-aa067.taconic.net (205.231.148.66)

Posted by:

Lil

Mr. Powell: I have a very stupid question to ask you. Could you please mail me when you have a moment? Thanks. d_lil at hotmail dot com
I miss the e-mail addresses in here!

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 20:38:06 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Chuck Leavell -- Band connections

Chuck Leavell was a member of the Allman Bros. Band when they played at Watkins Glen with The Band and the Grateful Dead.

Chuck played with Dr. John briefly before joining ABB (Mac, the good doctor was managed by Capricorn's Phil Walden at the time). In an interview with Michael B. Smith of "Gritz", Chuck described touring with Dr. John as his "college education"..."Playing with Mac was like going to the University of Funkology".

At the age of 13, Chuck saw Ray Charles in concert. Billy Preston was playing with Brother Ray back then. That experience was a decisive factor in influencing Chuck to pursue music as a career.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 20:18:42 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.229)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Irony

John, No doubt about the irony there. I guess I always have to wonder how much of any artist's work is truly autobiographical in nature. Just as Robbie wrote of ferrymen, Civil War participants, farmers, etc. -- the possibility exists that the story behind those lyrics may have come from someone or somewhere else.

If you are familiar with Townshend's "Psychoderelict" there is a great deal of irony to be found in it as well. The manipulations of the press, the sad nature of the music industry and the exploitation of the artist are all addressed. Not to mention his rather ominous predictions concerning "The Grid" which goes back a few decades and points toward something very much akin to today's Internet.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 20:15:39 CET 2003 from 1cust183.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.183)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: continued...

Click link for CNN article on British child porn laws. Gary Glitter, perhaps ironically, who is mentioned in the article toured with the Who a few years back in a staged version of Quadrophenia playing a somewhat twisted uncle or father character as I recall.

Anyone remember this in greater detail? I saw part of this performance on a video of one of the Prince's Trust charity shows. (Dylan also appeared at that show and performed a great rendition of "Silvio" with Clapton on lead.) I also recall that Daltrey was accidentally hit by Glitter's microphone prop during one of the Quadrophenia shows sustaining a serious eye injury as a result.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 20:05:14 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.229)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Exploitation

Crabby, I agree with all you said except that viewing that trash is a "victimless crime". Without the audience there is no market and without a market there is nothing driving the exploitation of innocent children.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 20:05:39 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Bob - No point, really. Just thought about the song and in connection with what's going on today -- is ironic the word?


Entered at Tue Jan 14 19:54:39 CET 2003 from 1cust183.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.183)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Lily / Child Porn

How old was Lily? - that's the critical question here!!

Although, I find it incomprehensible and repugnant that anyone can get sexually excited by child pornography I see this essentially as a "victimless crime" in the case of the person choosing to view such images and an invasion of privacy to publicly expose them.

The perpetrators of any crime are those who exploit children specifically or in general by photographing, drawing, filming, video-taping, publishing or marketing such materials, and maybe even those facitating payment for the sale of such by credit card over the internet (if it can be proven that the institution who issued the credit card had knowledge of such use and refused to block it) or money in the case of merchants. But we'd need a law for the credit card / internet method which probably doesn't exist at present.

I also think there should be a law regarding sexually explicit unsolicited e-mail. I'm sick and tired of receiving this crap in my junkmail box every day and I'm sure kid's are receiving this stuff too. The servers can do a much better job of filtering this stuff out and they should.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 19:38:04 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.229)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: John W.

John, I am curious about your point in posting those lyrics. I am not looking for any sort of argument. Do you believe there is something there that lends itself to either side of the issue ?


Entered at Tue Jan 14 19:08:49 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I used to wake up in the morning, I used to feel so bad, I got sick of having sleepless nights, I went and told my Dad. He said Son, now here's a little something, and stuck them on my wall, and now my nights ain't so lonely, in fact, I don't feel bad at all. Pictures of Lily made my life so wonderful. Pictures of Lily helped me sleep at night. Pictures of Lily solved my childhood problems. Pictures of Lily helped me feel alright.

-Pete Townshend


Entered at Tue Jan 14 18:56:07 CET 2003 from 60.ppp142.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.142.60)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Serge

Sadly enough, the FRENCH MUSIC and culture has too often been underestimated and mocked in this gb. SAMUEL BECKETT (mentioned in David Powell's historical post for a few days ago) was accepted in France as well as so many talented foreign artists and writers through the centuries, for instance the greatest short story writers of the 19th century in Finland JUHANI AHO.

I've just returned from South of France from my second home where I purchased the great new CD "Arabesque" by JANE BIRKIN and the talented Algerian (Arabic) musicians Djamel Benyelles, Moumen and others. I'd like to recommend this music for everyone interested in the future peaceful relations between the Arabic and Western cultures.
On this CD some of SERGE's greatest songs are presented in Western/Arabic fusion. For getting more familiar sound for us "etrangers" SERGE used sometimes the English language with well-known phrases and rock background. On this CD we can hear "Babe alone in Babylon" with Pontiacs Cadillacs and Bentleys in Los Angeles Malibu and Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles. Unfortunately my favorite SERGE song "Ex-Fans Des Sixties" telling about JIM MORRISON, EDDIE COCHRANE, PAUL McCARTNEY, GEORGE HARRISON, RINGO STAR, JOHN LENNON, ELVIS PRESLEY, BUDDY HOLLY, THE SHADOWS, THE DOORS, THE ANIMALS, THE MOODY BLUES, BRIAN JONES, JIMI HENDRIX, OTIS REDDING and JANIS JOPLIN is not included on this CD. The violin playing of Djamel reminds me of the Mediterranean violin sound by SCARLETT RIVERA in BOB DYLAN's album "Desire" or why not JOHN MAYALL's album "USA Union" with very interesting and rare blues violin by SUGARCANE ROBINSON.

The French culture shows once again its strong passion for the world music, this time with the songs written by SERGE (a Russian-Jewish 'le maniac sexuel'), sung by Jane (an English child-woman) and accompanied by Djamel and Moumen (hard core Arabic folk musicians). Unsecure your CD-players (and cork-screws!) and let the French contemporary world music culture have a place in your soul (and liver ... errrrr ... it might be better to head the call of our frend KALERVO instead :-)

FYI: SERGE mentioned here is not "our" SERGE – however, in the both cases "le passion" is always there - but SERGE GAINSBOURG, a-t-il suivi les modes ou les a-t-il soumises à son art (qu'il disait mineur...)? Auteur de textes superbes, musicien habile, jongleur de mots et de notes, l'artiste a su jouer sur bien des registres pour nous offrir, sur trois décennies, une belle moisson de succés, de la chanson plus traditionelle au reggae le plus provocateur.
My gb vCard: http://www.geocities.com/woodlark.geo/theb1.htm
My emailaddress: woodlark.geo (Danish pastry) yahoo.com


Entered at Tue Jan 14 18:54:19 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Credit Card companies

Peter, I'm with you, but it may be a little more complicated for the credit card companies. How many times have you bought a concert ticket or other item, only to find it billed under a completely unrelated name? I used to belong to a quite legitimate gym, only to have the monthly charges on my credit card to be listed under something completely irrelevant sounding. It's like ordering an adult movie in a hotel (NEVER! Blush Blush) and it shows up as a meal on your hotel bill. I m sure these kiddie porn sites aren't registered with Visa for what they really are.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 18:46:46 CET 2003 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Vendors

I can’t shed any light on English law on websites, but when it comes to child porn, zero tolerance is a policy I’m perfectly happy with my government applying. But what puzzles me is this. If I buy concert tickets on MasterCard, and the concert is cancelled and the promoter can’t /won’t refund the money (as happened with the Van Morrison show this summer), then I get my money back from MasterCard because in British law (so I understand) MasterCard is the legal vendor. So, if someone uses MasterCard to access a porn site, then surely MasterCard is the legal vendor again, therefore MasterCard and Visa should be in the dock because they are therefore the people selling the porn and they could shut off all of these places tomorrow. There is such a thing as corporate responibility, so how about seeing some MasterCard and Visa directors in the dock (I mean too, not instead)? But it’s a bit like complaining to British Telecom that you’re being plagued by 20 junk phone calls a day. they just think, ‘Ah. great. twenty more calls on our revenue.” And MasterCard and Visa are happy taking their percentage on every transaction. MasterCard and Visa should be following AmEx’s lead. It strikes me there should be a grass roots campaign against the credit card companies on this one. Wow. I must have been reading too much Michael Moore! I’d consider switching companies to one that had a moral view on this. Not that I wish to return to AmEx, who I always found were crap (and unpleasant with it), but I would if MasterCard were confronted and refused to act.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 18:05:16 CET 2003 from h-68-164-5-106.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.5.106)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Rollie, I think they round them up at concerts.


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: Chuck Levell

I thought I entered this post on Sunday, guess it went into the great beyond. Another link for Chuck is the group he was in with David Powell's hero Randal Bramblett, Sea Level. Randall, is an old time friend of Levon and Butch, and when the BB where here about 2 years ago, a surprise guest, carrying his Sax, showed up for a special night. If I remember, David Powell has a picture with Randal, that is David on the right, ha


Entered at Tue Jan 14 18:02:40 CET 2003 from mcha-aa067.taconic.net (205.231.148.66)

Posted by:

Lil

Calvin and John W: Thank you.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: accessing websites(Pat Brennan)

I think Pat Brennan brings up a great point. How come they're not arresting folks who check out Neil Diamonds web page?


Entered at Tue Jan 14 17:53:43 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Websites

Pat, I hope not! I DID visit the Taliban website prior to 9/11 and sent them a scathing email regarding their destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bimyamin, I think it was. My wife thinks 9/11 was therefore my fault. I'm also not out to blame Clinton for our situation today with North Korea. 20/20 hindsight is easy, as it also is in the case of Reagan. Live and learn, that's all. We very nearly went to war with N. Korea in 1994, and perhaps history will prove Clinton did well, or he didn't. It hasn't played itself out yet. I'm not that knee-jerk about these things.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 17:52:55 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Lil - Pete T. got caught up in "Operation Ore", actually an FBI effort which identified 250,000 suspected pedophiles who used credit cards on child porn sites. They passed on the names of those in Britain to the British authorities, who have arrested 1,300 suspects including a judge, doctors, dentists, fifty cops, and Pete. I heard it is the largest pedophile sweep ever, so they must have got the ones running the site(s) but I don't know that for sure.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 17:28:08 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Well we were off the political threads for a while but it still seems like people find things to fight about anyway, huh!

John D. - I think what has been going on lately with Iraq should only show the U.S. acting rationally and in concert with the international community and the U.N.... As long as the inspectors are not finding anything and Saddam's not misbehaving, the thought of an "invasion" seems to be receding... The "hawks" in the government are not going to be able to get away with a unilaterally conceived invasion without showing some damn good evidence of serious violations or connections to the terrorists... I think that is as it should be, and it shows the alarmist "America is out to bomb everybody" mentality to be a bit extreme... As for N. Korea I think the U.S. knows they ramp up the threats and demands every so often just in order to gain some of the concessions they want, like a union leader who wants a 5 per cent wage increase will go in demanding 10 per cent hoping to hammer out the 5 per cent in final negotiations... Their bark is worse than their bite... In any event, if you get arrested for shooting someone with a slingshot, you can not complain that a guy with a gun was let go, because you still got caught breaking the law. I think we should be more concentrated on the domestic threat from terrorist nuts than all this talk about regime change and going to war (unless those regimes can be connected to the terrorists).

Thanks to Butch for the Levon updates, I was touched by the description of his reaction upon meeting Amanda ("She's just like the ladies from back home!"). I thought the best line in the GB last year was when Butch called a certain New York club an "upholstered sewer"!


Entered at Tue Jan 14 17:05:35 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Credit Card Use and gaining access to pay site, Per Lil's question

To answer your question Lil, yes. if a credit card wished to not accept a pay per view porn site, of any kind, as a client they can simply say no. In fact American Express did just that about 3 years ago-Whether that puts them on a higher moral ground or not I'm not sure. But the fact one of the majors did it clearly shows the others could do it if they wished to. Strangely enough there is a bill in the U.S. Congress at the moment to prohibit credit card companies to do business with off shore betting facilities. As in give you credit card to some guys in Jamaica and have a bookie-strange this is more of a concern to the U.S. Congress than child pornography.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 16:32:47 CET 2003 from h-68-164-12-28.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.12.28)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

If you accessed the Taliban's website (before 9/11), are you a Islamic fundamentalist? If you accessed an al Qeda site, are you a terrorist? If you followed a link from the Band website to a Neil Diamond website, are you a fan of Neil's? Anyone who rushes to judgement is begging to be wrong.

North Korea appeasement began under Reagan when the big reactor was first detected. It was dropped in Clinton's lap after years of turning the eyes away. So he didn't hit a home run with it. Who has?


Entered at Tue Jan 14 16:08:05 CET 2003 from mcha-ah003.taconic.net (205.231.30.50)

Posted by:

Lil

Bob Wigo (Hi:-) I was actually about to post 2 questions here when I just read your post and noticed that you touched on one of them. Isn't there a way for credit card companies to ban the use of their cards for such things? It's ultimately them who are agreeing to pay these sick degenerates.
My second question is: Pete Townshend was arrested for entering a child porn site (not charged with anything as of yet and released on bail this morning).. but what about the people who _ran_ that site? Have they been arrested? I haven't heard anything about that..
Thanks if anyone knows.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 15:21:57 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.229)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Pete Townshend

Jerry, while you make a valid point it is impossible to draw a straight line between the problems plaguing the Catholic church and the accusations brought against Townshend. His primary point in most of what he has recently written on the subject is the ease of access to pornography of all sorts accomodated by the major credit corporations. He has spoken at length concerning the enormous profits gained through the exploitation of young women and children, particularly those of third world countries. His statement, linked here yesterday, made mention of consultation with an attorney prior to accessing the site with his credit card. He has no corporation, organization or religious affiliation to hide beneath. He has not been charged, to my knowledge, with any interaction or, for that matter, anything at all at this time.

If he, in fact, consulted an attorney and went forward under that advisement he is guilty of only poor judgement to this point. If he was seeking information, as he says, or attempting to prove the ease of accessibility, he obviously should have made his intentions clear to authorities prior to logging on to any website.

I make no secret of the fact that I am and have been a fan of Pete Townshend's for a long time but I am trying to view the facts as they are presented. As of this moment the facts are scarce at best. I do know that he has made several statements on his site and in the press regarding his feelings toward the accessibility issue. I am hoping that those statements were all made with honest intent and can set a reasonable precedent for his subsequent actions. I will be deeply disappointed if the authorities prove otherwise. It seems as if the only fair thing to do is reserve judgement and allow the facts to unfold. I believe the saddest result of our craving for instant gratification is the rush to judgement it creates.

If Pete Townshend is proven guilty of any charges related to his recent actions he will be forced to stand before his family, friends and fans to face the consequences. Until such time I am reserving judgement. I sincerely hope that others will do the same. We owe it to each other as human beings.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 14:30:36 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John D./North Korea

John D. One way to look at the two situations is that N. Korea has the bomb, Iraq doesn't. If we push N. Korea too hard, that could be the end of Tokyo and Soul (sic). So as much as it may be tempting to do to the N. Korean reactor what the Israelis did to the Iraqi one in '82 (thank-you Israel), we don't have too many options. The idea with Iraq is to prevent them from getting to the point N. Korea has reached. We tried appeasing Kim in '94, and this is what it brought.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 14:27:36 CET 2003 from wwwcache4.uce.ac.uk (193.60.131.9)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: North Korea

No oil in North Korea maybe? Dammit, I was going to avoid politics in the GB.

Saw Gangs of New York last week. Definitely a flawed masterpiece IMHO. I thought the music was strong (a big credit for JRR).

That's two outstanding films this year - Bowling for Columbine being the other. This is hard to find in Birmingham. It's mainly only on in the art houses.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 14:14:32 CET 2003 from gatekeeper.ctsu.ox.ac.uk (163.1.206.129)

Posted by:

Karl Wallendszus

Location: Oxford, UK

Subject: Fire Down Below

With all the talk here about Fire Down Below, I coincidently spotted that the film is being shown on TV here in the UK this week (Channel 5, Friday, 9pm). I'll be watching it as I haven't seen it before. Is it worth taping as well?


Entered at Tue Jan 14 14:09:19 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Saturday Night Live

A friend told me a joke from Saturday Night Live; which I missed this past week regarding George W. One of his people comes up to him and says, "Mr. President? North Korea has nuclear weapons. They are threatning a 3rd world war. The devestation of Japan and South Korea." George W. replies......."I understand that.......but they never hurt my daddy!"

Is it just me. Saw the headline in the week-end papers here about the threat of a third world war. The North Koreans are the one's who admit to having the bomb. The country is so bad off they don't care about getting involved in a major war; yet Sadam is still the one the U.S. is after. I'm afraid I just don't get it. Kind of like if you were in the school yard and someone had a gun pointed to your head (Korea) and another kid (Iraq) had his arms behind his back with maybe a slingshot; but you're not sure. Who are you going to be afraid of most........initially? Hope old George is on the right track. Personally North Korea scares me a whole lot more that Sadam at this point. Just in case John W reads this....yes I do think Sadam is one evil guy who can't be trusted; but N Korea stills scares the crap out of me a lot more at this time.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 13:57:16 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pete Townsend

F.Y.I. Heard an interview yesterday with the person in change for Children's Porn in England in relation to the computer etc. First I will say that I missed how they catch people at it on a on going basis; although in Pete's case he did use his credit card.

Anyway the law there is unbelievably strict. Zero Tolerance. This person said no matter what Pete's excuse was he would still be arrested. Even if you or I were surfing the net in England and by mistake a link took us to a kiddy Porn site and somehow it was found out........automatic arrest! I find this a bit much. His answer to that was that everyone would say it was a "mistake." Anyway Pete will probably have his day in court if he get's officially charged at some point. I understand he is back home now; but the police are continuing on the case. Court is the only place you can put up your defence. They don't care if your writing a book or doing research. Peter Viney might shed some light on this. As most everywhere these days you are "guilty" until proven "innocent."


Entered at Tue Jan 14 13:04:00 CET 2003 from (81.22.68.11)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Residues

Goed jaar met een hartelijke groet voor ales vriende in het GB

Show must go on:
Warren Zevon completely restored his health

Only the good die young:
Joe Strummer alias John Graham Mellor, the leader of The Clash punk band died recently on Christmas Day aged 50 years - RIP

Christmas Ive:
I was listenning to “Seven o’clock news, silent night” by Simon and Garfunkel

If you want to be a hero, well just follow me:
Politics quiz (Oh Yes!) – What these persons have in common ?
Mahatma Ghandi – Patrice Lumumba – Martin Luther King – Anouar Sadate – John Lennon - Yitzhak Rabin
- They all are my heroes
- They believed in non-violence, they preached and acted for peace and human dignity
- They all died assassinated. Patrice Lumumba, the leader of Belgian-Congo independence, his body was cut in small pieces.
Jackson Browne, the old same one, is presently waging a crusade for peace throughout the world, I wish he wont be the next one in the list

Arabian belly dance:
One quote from Jean Carmet in Wolker Schlondorff’s movie “Die Falschung” (1981), describing the Arabian belly dance
“This movement consists in drawing by means of your navel a leaned eight which, in other words and in mathematical language, represents the symbol of infinity’
Personally, I prefer the traditional Mauri ( Maori ?) dance, a question of taste.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 11:23:54 CET 2003 from host217-40-219-164.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.40.219.164)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Townshend

Jerry, I absolutely agree with what you said. My lady says that according to this morning's news he has been released on bail and not charged with anything so far.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 11:05:04 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Mookie Miller

Kissey Pooh Pooh


Entered at Tue Jan 14 09:14:16 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

If Pete Townshend is innocent of any wrong doing he is at the very least pretty foolish to enter such a site, being the high profile person that he is what the hell did he think would happen, if it's an honest mistake so be it but one has to wonder why his researh would have to take place on a kiddie porn site, with countless books and information available by those who have been abused and abusers themselves what would looking at images have to do with his "research" I don't know maybe I'm missing something, Ive never written a book. Those who have noted innocent until proven guilty are absolutley correct but one of there arguments do not hold up that well and that is just because Pete has spoken out against the abuse of children does not in any way prove innocence, one has to look no further than the Catholic Priests to prove that point....


Entered at Tue Jan 14 07:26:54 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Subject: Amen...Tennessee


Entered at Tue Jan 14 06:36:54 CET 2003 from dap-209-114-161-169.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.161.169)

Posted by:

Mary (bear)

Location: Western PA

Subject: Levon

Hey Butch....any chance of Levon coming to Pittsburgh to Moondogs anytime soon? Would love to see you all again. Also, would love to see Jim Weider play as well.....I think we are forgotten here sometimes in the burg..... One more thing, please remember our service men and woman. My son just left for the Persian Gulf on Saturday from Norfolk. He is one of about 7,000 Marines shipped out of Camp Lejuene. I would love to see peace, but keep them in your thoughts and prayers.....Take care everyone.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 04:09:51 CET 2003 from (193.203.143.83)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Cork

Never Fear, Pat Brennan!!!!!!!

NEVER FEAR PAT BRENNAN!!!!!

Actually, that's a fair assessment of the BD concert....tha nks

Hey! Dr. Pepper is in County Cork....apparently......

Dylan was just reminding The World that Christianity is a form of Judaism..........

There's not much between an Orthodox Christian and an Orthodox Jew.....really......except the bit where there's the belief that Christ is the Son of The Male Jewish God-head..... and The Jewish Messiah........apart from THAT......very little difference.......So Dylan addresses this notion on his so-called Christian albums.......

got that?

Bill Wymans "Rolling wityh the Stones" is a wonderful, well-illustrated book....got it from Open Kitchens bassist.....bits'n'pieces of The Band.......with a wondreful eulogy to Brian Jones


Entered at Tue Jan 14 04:07:45 CET 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp189873.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.32)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Jann Wenner Interviews Dylan in Rolling Stone 1971

Jann Wenner: Otis Redding was playing at the Whiskey A Go Go, a coupla years ago, you came in and talked to Otis. What was that all about?

Bob Dylan: He was gonna do "Just Like A Woman". I played him a dub of it. I think he mighta cut it for a demo...I don't think he ever recorded it, though. He was a fine man.

Jann Wenner: Why did you think "Just Like A Woman" would be a good song for him to do?

Bob Dylan: Well I didn't necessarily think it was a good song for him to do, but he asked me if I had any material. It just so happened that I had the dubs from my new album. So we went over and played it. I think he took a dub...that was the first and only time I ever met him.

I'll have to reread the interviews in this book on Robbie Robertson and Pete Townshend as well.....Thanks for reminding me Pehr.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 02:46:59 CET 2003 from (170.190.44.8)

Posted by:

Back With No Wife In Tennessee

Location: The same place I've always been!

The thing that cracks me up is, the post where I tried to explain myself and offered to apologize if there was something that I was mistaken about was removed, while the post that got everybody so upset was left on! Tchk!

Oh well, feel free to resume a serious discussion on whether or not all of the raghead A-rabs should be deported, which is apparently much more acceptable in this forum than a joke submitted in response to an insult. Kind of tells you something, there. Later.


Entered at Tue Jan 14 00:12:52 CET 2003 from h-68-164-12-64.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.12.64)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: BanglaDesh

Hank, the DB concert wasn't really one of those Live Aid type of things. It was basically George's group--roughly All Things Must Pass--along with a few solo spots--Leon, Billy Preston, Bob--and a few members of Badfinger backing George on a number or two. You could probably ask why any number of groups weren't there, including the Band, but it simply wasn't supposed to be a ten-groups-in-a-row extravaganza. BTW, I hear Jan is going to shut the site down if you don't start posting more often.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:49:25 CET 2003 from syr-66-66-46-205.twcny.rr.com (66.66.46.205)

Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: County Cork

Subject: New Zealand All Blacks

should have been "hat in" typo ...sorry


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:47:38 CET 2003 from syr-66-66-46-205.twcny.rr.com (66.66.46.205)

Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: County Cork

Subject: New Zealand All Blacks

You havent lived until you have seen the Kiwis perform the Haka. The Maoris have a great tradition and explanation of the dance. I have an All-Black hatin my trunk as we "speak".

Hey AP give me a call or email me!


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:46:26 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Butch

Subject: music

Since ya'll are discussing bobs religious phase,,,, on the Dixie Hummingbirds session, one song is City Of Gold,,,,from that era,,, it was previously unreleased ( by bob ) altho it had been used as an encore on some shows from back then,,,,

A Truly Beautiful song,,,,

as for the Fire Down Below,,,, Levon was one of 2 drummers in a great band that Steven ( seagal ) put together to promote the film,,,there were two weeks of rehearsals& some of those sessions may have made the soundtrack,,,,,, its hard to tell,,,, it was a bit chaotic to say the least,,,\

but some of the players were Bobby King, Teresa James, Tony Braunagel(Taj's drummer) ,,,Leland Sklar,,,Doyle Bramhall the 2nd,,,marty greb,,,,Levon , of course,,,

hope that helps,,,,,

BTW,, Levon has two more days of the Hummingbirds sessions coming this week,, he cant wait,,, the material is world class,, & so is the talent,,,

im so fortunate,, i cant believe it,


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:41:22 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: except my misspelling of 'to'.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:40:35 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Peter, nothing too forgive.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:18:48 CET 2003 from du-tele3-060.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.60)

Posted by:

Peter Viney …

Subject: Saved …

JTull Fan and John D - note that this wasn't in anyway meant personally! I think we can prove that we can disagree on music and remain friends.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 23:13:50 CET 2003 from du-tele3-060.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.60)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jockstraps and feedback …

My favourite quote above which was an insert in UK copies of Stage Fright.

But unfortunately, to me, Saved is the worst album by any artist I collect / have collected. In terms of looking at a tin can and calling it art, Saved is the one (World Gone wrong competes though). In comparison both Abba and The Carpenters rank as high art. At least they're pure pop, honest and harmless, where Dylan on Saved comes across as a vicious, highly unpleasant lunatic! Sorry! I still cannot believe that the man who wrote Blonde on Blonde produced this lyrical garbage.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:58:32 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.141)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: 1970 Time Magazine

ROBERTSON: "People have to look at a tin can as art and say "Wow." I can't believe that people are so gullible to accept what they accept in art and in music. Nowadays they're playing jock-traps and feedback, and they knock them out. I guess there's enough people to go around and anybody can get lucky. I think it's up to the individual to get himself to the place where he doesn't have to be that taken in by anyhing. Now people are saying, let's hear the truth; we haven't heard it in a long, long time."


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:09:10 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Thanks for your note, Pehr. Mostly because it's a really really nice one, but also because it broke Rollie's string - of four in a row for heaven's sake.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:08:04 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Tull, yeah, She could have been helping him reseach Whitewater, filegate, Vince Foster's death, unwedfatherhood, travelgate, buying cemetary plots at Arlington, stealing stuff from the White House, vandelizing Air Force One, sending thugs to rough up Kathline Whiley, not giving Paula Jones flowers on secratary's day and more. After the half a day it would take to establish Clinton did nothing wrong; She could snap her thong at him and say "let's go!." Then when She tried to extort a high paying job out of him; you could forget your false charges and say, "tsk tsk, what an evildoer." Ah, the moral high ground of the conservative right....


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:05:02 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John D and Dylan

John D, I'm with you. There is some wonderful music on Slow Train, Saved, and Shot of Love. I think many are put off by the heavy-handed lyrics and they forget about the musical element. Myself, I'm fascinated when an artist writes about their personal convictions, and even if I don't share them, I can still APPRECIATE them. I've mentioned before that one of my closest friends and fellow Dylan-head is jewish, and becoming increasingly more religiously observant now that he has started a family (we are talking 4 hour synagogue services, complete kosher obsservance, not traveling on saturdays unless there are acceptable sabbath services to be found, etc.)yet his favorite Dylan album is Slow Train Coming.. I think that in addition to the fine musical qualities of that album, we can also identify with a person's search for spiritual fulfillment and identity, even if it is not the particular one we may subscribe too, just like many out here can appreciate Cat Steven's conversion to islam.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:03:52 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Butch: Thanks for the info on the Dixie Hummingbird sessions. Can't wait to hear the official release! Maybe you can help us with the Fire Down Below trivia? Did Levon play on any of those sessions? If so, does he remember who he played with?


Entered at Mon Jan 13 22:02:14 CET 2003 from pool-141-153-194-74.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.194.74)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Rock Star Pete Townshend in Custody

See above link


Entered at Mon Jan 13 21:34:39 CET 2003 from pub24.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.138)

Posted by:

pehr

Subject: peace, bgs, pete

like hank im checking back in after a while away. congratulations to jan and the peacemakers, the gb is civil and pleasant for the most part and i am happy to see that we had a group hug. I enjoyed catching up on the new years pow wow with all you guys, what fun and good times and vibes to read about.

prayers to the Bee Gees. to be honest I've loasthed their music from day one but I watched them with my mother on Larry King last night and I was moved and charmed by the warmth of their personalities and fluid crisp insights; genuinely nice people.

Prayers for Pete too. He's no stranger to contraversy and he's pretty tough and I think he'll weather this out- but I just found out this morning. As has been mentioned here he has spoken out on child abuse many times throughout his career and has alluded to it as a powerful muse many times.

when I was in high school and college he was a huge inspiration to me. An allusion to this I remember in a passage of his "Psychoderelict" lp of about ten years ago. I also remember a fantastic interview he did with jan wenner in 1968 (published in a book called "The Rolling Stone Interviews"- Same book has a great interview with RR and another with Mike Bloomfield, BTW) where he discussed all kinds of really vivid, extremely personal things - including specific reflections on growing up often having to stay with a particularly wicked relative while his parents (who were both touring musicians) were away on the road; and how this was material for the project he was just beginning called DD&BB, which meant "Deaf Dumb and Blind Boy", which we all know today as "Tommy".

The article I read this morning said the connection to the site was done with prior care to access under the auspices of research for his autobiography under way - my familiarity with his process has always shown him to be very thoughtful, thourough and articulate. in treating sensitive subjects particularly those involving abberations within the human condition.

I have no doubt whatsover he is innocent and have faith that he will win out against what looks to me like a media button pushing witch hunt. He is one of the handful of Rock Stars to have a successful marriage and am sure his family will speak out in all honesty if neccesary.

Anyway I'm glad things are more civil here. I found myself getting caught up a bit more than was good for me in the spirited debates so I dropped out- the holidays and some personal challenges were difficult enough for me to focus on. I apologize for any rudeness I was guilty of. I am learning (slowly) to be more tolerant of disagreements and will continue. We live in "interesting" times. Life is too short to petty-squabble. I learned this anew while away. A dear associate came down with a headache that turned out to be brain cancer, and he is suffering terribly now but with tremendous courage. Prayers for him and those in that boat. All of us have our own time. thanks for reading.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Farewell salute to an All Black legend


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: All Blacks Rugby

By the way, here's the link to the All-Blacks rugby home page.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: All Blacks

I believe the "All-Blacks " are composed virtually of all whites and some actual blacks.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 21:22:33 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-022castocp0198.dialsprint.net (65.178.96.198)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: types of blacks

Yes. There are the "virtual' blacks, then there are the "All-Blacks" the world famous rugby team.


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Posted by:

??

Actual black people ?? Are there other kinds ?


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Posted by:

Bill

Bumbles: A single sentence of yours, "Very few American or British rock groups of the 60s & 70s, no matter how influenced by black artists their music was, sold any records at all to actual black people", would provide essay fodder for a classroom of undergrads. All I'll say is that I have trouble seeing the BeeGees as any kind of rock group!

That said, I don't think I've heard a bad version of "To Love Somebody", my own favourite being the one by Eric Burdon and the Animals. Same LP as "Ring Of Fire" and "I'm An Animal". Speaking of Sly, I got to hear "Everyday People" on the drive back from lunch - that relentless locomotive rhythm is fabulous. Almost stayed in the car listening because the dj said the Band was coming up - probably Wittgenstein's pizza song, but you never know.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Dylan Saved

I find myself today listening to "Saved" by Bob Dylan. This album is sometimes overlooked; but the more I listen to it over the years I find this period very interesting and full of passion.

I always have a question and am too lazy to find it today. This was Dylan's Christian period. Many felt he left his faith to become a Christian. It seems to me that years later Dylan said it was basically a period he was going through and these songs came out. In fact he was...is and will always be of the Jewish faith. I don't remember if he was searching or what during that period. Any answers out there.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Surprised!

Very surprised that Mr. Powell and Mr. Viney didn't take me up on my Bee Gees trivia question. Bill......You're half right. The other (Vince Melouney) you came up with was a member but NOT an Official member of the BEE GEES. In other words a full partner within the group as the Brothers Gibb were.

His name was Colin Peterson. When he was ousted from the group he actually sued the boys for using the name since he owned one quarter of it. Later, he and Robin became good friends again. He still lives in Australia where he returned to live.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Peter: Sony is probably omitting "Blonde On Blonde" because it has already been reissued on SACD, albeit a single-layer disc playable only only SACD players. As I have mentioned here before, the problem with "Blonde On Blonde" is that the original 2-track stereo master mix is "worn out" and no longer usuable. The SACD version, released several years ago, was remixed from the original 4-track session tapes. Dylan, reportedly, was not that happy with the remix. The mono master mix, however, is still in good shape and the Sundazed label recently reissued an LP version sourced from the original mono mix. Since Dylan himself helped supervise the mono mix, many feel that this is the one to have.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: White Bread

Another way to look at the Bee Gees’ “Saturday Night Fever”-era singles is that they weren’t disco so much as they were perfect records for what were—at least in the U.S.—the very last days of Top 40 radio: irresistible, expertly-crafted pop music designed to appeal to the broadest possible (i.e., multi-racial) audience. Very few American or British rock groups of the 60s & 70s, no matter how influenced by black artists their music was, sold any records at all to actual black people. It’s worth noting that the Bee Gees sold a ton. One reason might be that they were collaborating with former Atlantic records mainstay Arif Mardin, who produced some of Aretha Franklin’s brilliant 70s albums and had previously worked on major “reverse crossover” records by the Rascals, Dusty Springfield, and the Average White Band. Even before “SNF,” though, Barry Gibb had a degree of crossover appeal. The Sweet Inspirations recorded “To Love Somebody,” and James Carr’s version of the same song (which is probably where Gram Parsons & the Burritos found it) is monumental.


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Posted by:

Andrew

Location: Toronto

Subject: English Translation for Peyote Healing song?

I'm looking for the English translation to the song the "Peyote Healing" song from Robbie's "Contact from the Underworld of Red Boy" album. If anyone out there can help steer me in the right direction, I'd very much appreciate it! Thanks ... Please use ajb.telford@sympatico.ca for reply.


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Gravenites

Peter V: All I recall is that maybe six weeks ago I posted something I'd found on one of Hungry Chuck guy's websites (probably Jim Colegrove's) to the effect that he'd played on a Gravenites session produced in Bearsville by Robbie Robertson.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois, originally the Bee Gee's Massachusetts

Subject: Peter Viney; what's cool

When a musician/artist passes on, there is this phenomenon of softening criticisms, distastes and opinions about their coolness. It's all very human, as most people recognize their own mortality when someone, who has been around, accomplished something or a lot, suddenly disappears forever. Most of us want to be remembered in a good light and so we often choose to seek out the best in others when they pass on. Life is short; how we are remembered can last a lot longer. Only the coldest of the cold spit on graves (yes,yes there's always the-spitting-on-Hitler's-grave- exception). There can also be a sense of loss because maybe there was more or even better artistic output yet to come ("too soon gone"). So, the "death-softens" phenomenon, more than anything else, allows someone who was "uncool" to be seen, in the end, as "cool". Just looking back at Abba, or what critics now say about Abba, doesn't do it for me. I don't own, and never will own, any Abba recordings. I don't like their music. Yet, I've always liked most of the Bee Gee's music (those unique harmonies, the varied songwriting and,yup, the emotional tug of "Massachusetts") and I respect their body of work. As for Abba and me, maybe someone's gotta pass on first.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Sunday Morning" & the Concert for Bangla Desh

Bob Wigo: it's nice to know that someone else out there is one the same wavelength. That CBS "Sunday Morning" show did a nice piece about Robbie a while back also. I wish they would do features about Levon and Garth as well.

Hank: that is a great question about the concert for Bangla Desh, though I thought that Dylan's acoustic set stole the show.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 17:37:09 CET 2003 from du-tele3-081.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.81)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: SACD

I saw a review of a new Pioneer DVD player at £229 which has both DVD Audio and SACD capability at less than half the price of the previous model(enabling you to have TLW on DVD Audio PLUS The Stones and Dylan on SACD), but reading David's list … no Blonde on Blonde! What an odd ommission considering it vies with Blood on the tracks everytime there's a poll on 'greatest of all time'.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 17:33:16 CET 2003 from du-tele3-081.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.81)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Bill- nothing on Gravenites - tell me more!

John D: I agree. Anything that causes a hum with a turntable is likely to be the earth (ground) somewhere! I find that any time you fiddle with them, earth hum is likely to ensue- on my older deck it was just perishing insulation within the cartridge and tone arm- which wasn't repairable. It could also be proximity to other fields. Personally, I transfer from record or cassette to CD via the amp and into a dedicated CD recorder, and only use the computer for copying.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 17:14:35 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Peter V: Do you have the Gravenites session of your list? I suppose this would have been after the Flag's "American Music Band" LP, on which King Biscuit Boy played harmonica.

John D: There was a Vince Melouney (sp?) in the early BeeGees, and also a Colin somebody I believe. At least one of them was Australian and moved to Britain with the brothers. I think there was some sort of immigration problem where he (they?) had to leave the band and go back home. (As British-born, the brothers didn't have to worry.)

Peter V again: Still don't like Abba, though they are easier to take than the Carpenters. One of the things I dislike about Christmas is that I have to spend time in overheated malls listening to THAT WOMAN warble away on seasonal tunes. Neat to see you mention Donna Summer, mostly because on Saturday I spotted the one LP I own of hers, the one with "I Feel Love", as I pulled out its neighbour on the shelf, "Long Lost Relatives" by Syrinx.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Upcoming Dylan remasters

At the Consumer Electronics Show last Friday, Sony announced the upcoming release of 15 Dylan albums in the "hybrid SACD" format. Like the recent Rolling Stones reissues, these hybrid disc are backwards compatible with standard CD players, containing one "redbook" stereo CD layer along with a DSD Super Audio layer.

Included in the titles, set to be released in the fall, is "Live 1966"! The other albums are:
Freewheelin'
Another Side of Bob Dylan
Bringing It All Back Home
Highway 61 Revisited
John Wesley Harding
Nashville Skyline
Blood On The Tracks
Desire
Street Legal
Slow Train Coming
Infidels
Oh Mercy
Time Out Of Mind
Love And Theft


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: CBS Sunday Morning

Charlie Young, I couldn't agree more with your appraisal. The piece on Chuck Leavell was excellent. I believe CBS Sunday Morning is consistently the best ninety minutes of television each and every week. Charles Kuralt would be proud, I'm sure.

On the Pete Townshend issue...He has been very outspoken on the topic, particularly via his website, and has recently cited his own childhood experiences as the catalyst for his activism. As is always the case the press has and will do all possible to sensationalize the incident while disregarding the facts. Slinging mud is always easier ( and much more entertaining ) than cleaning it up.

The affiliations that reveal themselves here are always fascinating.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 15:59:07 CET 2003 from jed2.revealed.net (208.23.178.97)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: John D.

John D.,

I prefer to run the turntable signal into my receiver and then sending the receiver into the PC. Mind you, I'm no genius when it comes to electronics. The hum would lead me to believe that something isn't grounded properly. But as you said, you'd employed that method before and it worked just fine. Is there another peiece of metal nearby you can attach the ground wire to? That might solve it. Just trying to help ya.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 15:04:15 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Any Audiophiles out there? Help

In the past I succesfully hooked up my turntable to my PC for recording of those great old songs. For Christmas I received a new computer from my wife. Lucky me. Today I decided to hook up the turntable.....with the pre-amp to my PC. One big difference. When I hooked up the ground wire of the turntable to a screw at the back of my PC which ALWAYS took away the HUM.........this time it did not. Everything recorded fine except I was left with this hummmmmmmmmmm. Grounding it to this PC for some reason does not work as it did in the past with my old PC Any thoughts?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: research

Ok, Ben. You're right. Maybe your man just should have said he was doing some 'research' and required an intern.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 13:51:00 CET 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190010.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.169)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Peter: After seeing a special last night on the Bee Gees I was reminded about Maurice's first wife Lulu in "To Sir With Love"....Anyway, would ya believe that for me....Robin was the cool one???????.....I'm serious.....Sometimes I like the quirky ones if they have a sense of style at least I guess.....and.....with Robin.....He's more elusive.....more mystery.....His wife shared how in the middle of the night she would wake up hearing his angelic voice.....

Hank: I still remember at your solo gig how out of the blue you played Louuuu's "Romeo and Juliet" just because.....you're so cooooool......:-D.....Many thanks again!.....Oh....and of course......You had to sing "Brown Eyed Girl" as well.......You still haven't played in Toronto ya know? I guess I'll have to see you and the boyzzzz in NYC again.....but don't forget to bring Dawn up on stage again....:-D

Tiny Monster: Great song selection again....Apparently George Harrison wrote the song in Eric's garden...


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Posted by:

David Christopher Miedzianik

Location: Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, UK
Web: My link

Subject: How About A Song About Me Bob Dylan?

As I'm your biggest fan, at getting your stuff played, on the radio here in the UK. All you need to know for a song about me is on Internet search on miedzianik Try: http://www.google.com/ And then type miedzianik in, and then click on SEARCH Love you all: David C. Miedzianik xxx Say...Med-Gen-Nick. rainmanhallelujah@hotmail.com davidmiedzianik1@activemail.co.uk


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Closin time, they shut it down again........

Well........been away for awhile....thought I'd log on and see how y'all were getting on.......

Scrolled all the way back to Jan.8th and Bayou sams post about "Pussycats" and read on..........

It was all goin' mighty fine......the pizza thread, the Get Back thread, Levon recording with the Dixie Hummingbirds, BEG and everyone getting worked up about Lou Reed and Poe, good to see updates from Butch again.......

Then it got weird........that's too bad.......Jan will close y'all down, folks.....he's done it before, y'know...........

I was thumbing thru George Harrisons "I Me Mine" at the Cork City Virgin Megastore d'other day and read that The Bands production crew were hired to stage The Concert for Bangla Desh...........

OK.......

TWO questions......

1. WHO exactly were The Bands production crew?

2 A question that NOBODYS has EVER answered for me here, goshdarnitinheavenabovetonight! For fecks sake!

HOW COME THE BAND WERE NOT AT THE CONCERT FOR BANGLADESH?!!!!!

Come in Bayou Sam and help me slove this mystery...........

It's best to reserve judgement on Pete Townsend until more facts come to light........one thing's for sure, tho'...Townsend's one of the most articulate, talkative men in rock music........he always speaks volumes on everything......hopefully, it'll turn out to have been an error of judgement on his part.....

Maurice Gibb RIP


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: To the Anonymous insults

All I said was that I recall reading those things. Lil also says she recalls Townshend saying a similar thing. I simply relayed what I remember. I never said what was true or false. How does this make me an idiot or a dumbass. I don't think this is the kind of subject where you should be trying to wind people up for the hell of it. So what exactly is your problem?


Entered at Mon Jan 13 11:27:38 CET 2003 from du-tele3-142.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.142)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: UNcool?

This Bee Gees thing has made me realize that we’re all shallow teenyboppers at heart! Far from knocking the Bee Gees, I’m knocking the audience’s habit of slotting people into “cool” and “uncool”. For most of their career, the Bee Gees hovered around “uncool” and I suspect that it was as simple as the fact that Robin looked particularly uncool – the guy wasn’t blessed with good looks, even his mum would have to admit that. As far as “street cred” goes their history is rather surprising- they originally left England for Australia because they were in trouble (dabbling in minor crime). So they were the ‘gangsters’ not (e.g.) John Lennon or Mick Jagger!

Then you look at the list of artists who were considered “uncool” in their heyday who’ve actually turned out to be good in retrospect. When ABBA were mega, they were terminally uncool here (appalling dress sense had a great deal to do with that) but now I don’t know anyone who doesn’t possess an Abba hits CD and the critics now gaze back fondly at the then-reviled hits and realize that they had a rare and brilliant melodic gift.

No one much would disagree about Abba – so take it a stage further. The Carpenters. Karen and Richard looked as if they should be knocking on your door offering The Watchtower with fixed grins. Those cardigans. That hair style. They looked so straight it wasn’t true. But bang on a Cartpenters Greatest Hits collection – sublime singing, great melodies – We’ve only Just Begun, Goodbye to Love, Rainy Days and Mondays, Yesterday Once More, Superstar, Calling Occupants … I don’t think I’d want to venture beyond the Greatest Hits, in fact, but they did produce great singles, the sort you sing along with on the radio, and were pleased they came on.

The Bee Gees were far the funkiest of the three groups mentioned, but you know, the common factor in all three leading to disdain for being uncool was … appearance. Ah. Add Bread. Slade. The Monkees … (But I think Bony M is unredeemable by history … even though there’s a Band link in “Rivers of Babylon”)

Frank Zappa: “Everyone here tonight is wearing a uniform.” (Royal Albert Hall when the fans started jeering at the police)


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Posted by:

Happy Birthday John D !!!

Best wishes for a wonderful day from the me and the 3 stooges :-)
D,S,J&J


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: You should be dancing …

There was an excellent and longish TV retrospective on the Bee Gees a couple of years ago. Mike D – oh, a lot of us old soul fans were beguiled into liking early disco. You know, after the brilliant “late soul” stuff in the early 70s- Marvin, Sly, Stevie Wonder, Temptations ‘Sky’s the Limit’, Superfly, even Backstabbers … there was a dip in quality and it all started to go very big ballad – Delfonics, Barry White, later Isaac Hayes stuff, and I didn’t like that stuff much. When disco burst onto the scene it initially seemed like a breath of fresh air – I even bought the seminal beat track song on release- Donna Summer’s “I Feel Love”- now a horrible cliché, but the day it came out it was quite sensational - and SNF’s soundtrack was generally very good, with the Bee Gees contributions being the best stuff on it- they’d had a career dip just before too. I used to stay with a friend in London in the late 60s, and Lulu and Maurice Gibb moved in almost opposite when they got married. We were most excited to see their comings and goings and give that kind of embarrassed half nod you give when you pass someone famous – I’m nodding because I recognize you … but oh, shit, that was stupid because you don’t recognize me, but it’s too late I’ve done it and everybody else who passes is doing the same … kind of thing. But I always liked Lulu too- a good actress in her brief TV career, and someone who has aged extremely well.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Subject: "Alone"

"Shine and search for the light
And sooner or later you'll be cruising on your ocean"


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Posted by:

BANDfan

"I started a joke that started the whole world laughing.."


Entered at Mon Jan 13 05:19:26 CET 2003 from 1cust56.tnt1.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.135.56)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Dirty Laundry" and "Trouble Comin' Every Day"

Bayou Sam: "Dirty Laundry" by Henley was the song I quoted earlier with that "crap is king" line. It was a prophetic comment on the media almost as good as one that Frank Zappa wrote in 1965 called "Trouble Comin' Every Day." Of course, Zappa's "I Am the Slime" was about television, but foreshadowed the vast wasteland that is the World Wide Web (except for this site, of course, and a handful of others).

I'm sorry that Frank didn't live to see the day that the United States government became publishers of pornography with the Starr report. Talk about slime and dirty laundry--and taxpayer-funded to boot.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 05:10:46 CET 2003 from dialup-67.73.159.134.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.73.159.134)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

"Lonely Days, Lonely Nights"


Entered at Mon Jan 13 05:00:33 CET 2003 from stjhts26c116.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.121)

Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: bee gees / odessa

Well, I knew someone would set me straight on that one. I would never have thought in a million years that that was a Bee Gees tune. You learn something new every day.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 04:49:57 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I sure hope all this stuff about Pete Townsend turns out to be nothing. I won't believe it until they prove it. The media coverage, and the microscope everyone is under these days, is out of control.....Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" comes to mind.

I remember traveling to California as a kid with my family, and "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart" was a big song on the radio. I've always liked it, and hearing it takes me back to that summer. Maurice always seemed like the fun one of the group. It's funny how quick people point out that they weren't into Disco. I hated it too at the time. As I got older and more deeply into music I realized that the Bee Gees were a cut above alot of those disco acts. Barry Gibb is definately a very good songwriter. Check his resume sometime... The Odessa album is also another argument why LP record covers are sooooo much cooler than CD covers. Remember that Odessa cover - red felt. I must also confess to liking the Bee Gees songs, "Knights On Broadway", and "Jive Talkin'".


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Maurice Gibb

In his last interview John Lennon stuck up for the Bee Gees, saying "they do a damned good job." I agree. Though, at the time, I didn't. I was cynical about disco and anything that was wildly popular, like Saturday Night Fever. Now that I don't trust labels anymore and try to appreciate things without pigeonholing them, I appreciate the Bee Gees a lot more. Their music has a lot of soul and they ignited more than a few smoldering grooves on that soundtrack. Their harmonies are instantly recognizable and totally unique. Too soon gone, Maurice Gibb.


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Posted by:

Life idiot

Lifeboy, What are you talking about? Are you stupid or what? You say that Pete Townsend and John John Entwistle made comments that you can't back up at all!!! None of that is true dumb ass!! Prove it don't just say it!!


Entered at Mon Jan 13 01:17:48 CET 2003 from ac858cde.ipt.aol.com (172.133.140.222)

Posted by:

J.L.B.

Location: TN

Subject: Stayin' Alive

Mr. Gibb is stayin' alive in a better place now.and,yo KD at least your here.Rock on.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 01:03:35 CET 2003 from wv-broad-ubr-a-066-168-161-168.charterwv.net (66.168.161.168)

Posted by:

KD

By the way, hi. I'm Denise, longtime lurker. God only knows why the Bee Gees brought me out of the woodwork.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 00:59:14 CET 2003 from wv-broad-ubr-a-066-168-161-168.charterwv.net (66.168.161.168)

Posted by:

KD

Subject: Ed/Massachusetts

Ages ago I saw an interview with Barry Gibb---at least I think it was Barry---in which he explained that at the time the song was written everyone was singing about leaving home, mostly for places like San Francisco. He said something like "...so we wanted to write something about coming back home." As for why they chose Massachusetts, I think he said they just liked the way it sounded.


Entered at Mon Jan 13 00:53:53 CET 2003 from dax23.revealed.net (208.16.227.166)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Lil/Bee Gee's/

Lil, you are most welcome. Glad to have been of help

Calvin, thank you for the email and information. Some great stuff on that site.

Peter, I never would've taken you for a Bee Gee's fan :) Especially the SNF era. It's funny, my friends aren't fans of disco. And they consider the SNF soundtrack disco. But whenever I play that album, they seem to really enjoy The Bee Gees songs. I think they are closet fans of disco. A guilty pleasure for them, if you will.

As for the Pete Tonshend situation, I think Rick said it best with something along the lines of "You can't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see". I apologize if I misquoted him. In short, I don't believe Pete to have done anything immoral or illegal. Anyhow...

Mike


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois, originally Massachusetts

Subject: Help on "Massachusetts"; more on Robin Gibb; RIP Maurice

The BeeGee's "Massachusetts" is the only song I can think of that was written about the Bay State ("Dirty Water" about Boston, being the next closest thing). I've always loved the song, but never found out how or why it was written, or how the Bee Gees came to record it. If anyone has info on this, it would be appreciated. On Robin being "problematic", I have this to offer. Several (maybe 15) years ago the Bee Gees were sued in Chicago for allegedly stealing a song from an obscure songwriter. The jury found for the Bee Gees (who claimed they were holed up in a chateaux in France when they wrote the song--sorry I cannot remember which song), despite a "blind" listening test at the trial where Robin identified the vanilla version of the songwriter's music as the song the Bee Gee's had written. "Oh, brother!", I'm sure Maurice thought to himself as he sat there. RIP, Maurice. Hook up on some harmonies with Rick and Richard.


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Posted by:

Marley Purt Drive

From the album "Odessa"

Sunday morning, woke up yawning; filled the pool for a swim.
Pulled down the head and looked in the glass just to see if I was in.
Went up the stairs and kissed my women to make her come alive.
'Cause with fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.
Fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids , I got to go for a Sunday drive.

That's how they are, so I grabbed out the car;convertible fifty-nine.
Headed for the freeway; tried to find the Pasadena sign.
Ten miles and three quarters more I wasn't feeling any more alive.
'Cause with fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.
Fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.

I used to be a minstrel free with a whole lot of bread in my bag.
I used to feel that my life was real, but the good Lord threw me a snag.
Now I'm gonna be the same as me ,no matter how I try.
'Cause with fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.
Fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.

Turned 'round the car and headed for home; I guess I realized my fate.
Ten miles and three quarters more I pulled up outside the gate.
Twenty more kids were stood inside and that made thirty-five.
'Cause with an orphanage full of thirty-five kids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.
An orphanage full of thirty-five kids , I got to go for a Sunday drive.

Sunday morning woke up yawning; filled the pool for a swim.
Pulled down the glass and looked in the mirror just to see if I was in .
Went up the stairs and kissed my women to make her come alive.
'Cause with an orphanage full of thirty-five kids , I got to go for a Sunday drive.
An orphanage full of thirty-five kids, I got to go for a Sunday drive.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Yep, pretty sure Gravy gets the credit. Frankly, I think the line is a little too good for Kantner.

Well, when it came to Clinton's critics,lack of eqatability certainly is an issue. There was never a lie too underhanded, a smear too transparent, a blow too low; so it is difacult to find comparasons. The media hate fest the Clinton's were treated to upon leaving( 8 years of Peace, Economic Growth, Balanced Budgets, UP YOURS!) led to more empty investigations of pardons, however questionable, were clearly his legal right to extend. Peggy Noonan, considered a respectable right wing talking head, has made cracks about something incestuous going on with Chelsea. There was never a charge so reckless, say, fathering Children out of wedlock, that his accusors ever had to answer for there lies. So yes, I am sure Townshead will get a much more decent hearing, my point was such rudementary fair play was never extended the Clintons by the right or the "Left wing" media.

I hope what we have heard here about Pete's interested in Child abuse turns out to be true as it would tend to support his explanation.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: BEE GEES TRIVIA

When the Bees Gees began there were actually four members. Who was the 4th member and what did he play in the group?


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Posted by:

Lil

John D (Hi! :-) I like all the Bee Gees tunes you just mentioned, but I have to admit that "Words" was my favorite.

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bee Gees

You can tell the age of fans and press when they refered to the Bee Gess today as the band of the "disco" era.

Those of us a little older all remember "To Love Somebody, Holiday, Massachusetts, New York Mining Disaster, I've Got To Get A Message To You, I Started A Joke, How Can You Mend A Broken Heart and so many others


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Maurice Gibb / Odessa / Marley Purt Drive

I always liked the Odessa album by the Bee Gees. I have one of the "rare" copies that had a velvet-like album cover. Marley Purt Drive was my fav from the album and Jose Feliciano did a great job as well covering that song

Too soon gone for Maurice Gibb. Only 53 years old. I'm glad however that his twin brother Robin made it back to Miami from England to be at the brothers side before he passed away at 1:00 a.m. EST this morning.


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Posted by:

Mark Borell (US Coast Guard

Location: Canton, Ohio
Web: My link

Subject: SanFrancisco 1973

Rob, we knew each other in the early '70's. I followed you somewhat in the interim of my own life/ wife,business,children,etc... Life being what it is, at 50 I have opened up to my wife and family about my past. This is just a brief note to say hey. I remember you fondly, and you're in my prayers. God speed. you have a friend in Ohio.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Chuck Leavell

One of the great under-discussed and under-rated musicians on the planet was the subject of a substantial feature today on the CBS television "Sunday Morning" program (one of the few bastions of intelligence and news not twisted into tabloid pap the last few years). Chuck Leavell, currently touring as keyboardist for the Rolling Stones, but possessing one of the most truly impressive resumes in all of popular music, was shown on the program not only as a brilliant musician, but as an environmental activist involved in the conservation and careful harvesting of trees. Leavell owns a 2,200 acre tree farm outside of Macon, Georgia and he recently met with the Secretary of Agriculture and members of Congress when the Stones' tour passed through Washiington, DC.

Chuck Leavell has many direct connections to The Band including a tenure as a student of Dr. John and member of his band, and recent work with both Eric Clapton and George Harrison. Leavell was even heard performing "Georgia on My Mind" during the CBS feature.

I hadn't known that Leavell was only barely out of his teens when he became a member of the Allman Brothers Band, and that he worked with the late Alex Taylor (the older brother of James) on his fine but forgotten Capricorn recordings. Overall, it was nice to see some significant, upbeat media coverage about sane and sensible musician. It's too bad that most of what TV has to offer about musicians is "Behind the Music" or "The Osbournes" sort of stuff, but as Don Henley sang may years ago, "crap is king."


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Lifeboy: I may have read the same article as you, or else I'm remembering another one where Mr. Townshend was talking about the "Fiddle About" tune , and said that the 'Uncle Ernie' character from "Tommy" was based on someone from his childhood (although I don't recall any details as to 'who' that might've been). I'd like to think he's not guilty of anything more than perhaps trying to sort out ghosts from his past.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: 16 kids

It WAS the BeeGees, from the Odessa album, January 1969; 'Marley Purt Drive'


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Pete Townshend

Woah! What a can of worms this thing is. I must say I remember looking at his website some months back and in his diaries Pete seemed to lay out very clearly and honestly his thoughts on child abuse and the research he had been doing on the subject. He went on to say that he had suffered abuse as a child and one of his close friends ended their life because they were so severely traumatised by the abuse they had suffered and that he was concerned at how easy it is to access child porn on the internet. It would seem that during his "research" he has come in to contact with some nasty stuff.......I hope this is the truth. If he is guilty then let justice do it's thing. I for one will be absolutely gutted if he is proven to be a pervert. If he is telling the truth then I can't help but think that at least he is trying to address a very terrible fact of life and hopefully the work he is doing can somehow prevent abuse happening to so many innocents or at least help victims of abuse come to terms or deal with it in some posititve way. As a fan of Pete's work I know that this is a subject he has dealt with in his art. There is a song in "Tommy" called "Fiddle About", I remember reading an interview with Pete and he said that he told John Entwhistle that he wanted to include a song about child abuse in "Tommy" but said something along the lines of "you're gonna have to write it because it actually happened to me and I can't do it". Here's to hoping that he is innocent of any crime and that if he is this whole thing doesn't become some kind of hysterical witch hunt.....I really hope!


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Posted by:

KD

Subject: on the skids

The Bee Gees' "Odessa" album did include a song called "Marley Purt Drive", with the line: "Fifteen kids and a fam'ly on the skids, I got to go for a Sunday drive." Huh, I never realized un-lurking would involve using so many quotation marks.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

I always liked the Bee Gees, and Maurice especially. The stuff circa ‘Saturday Night Fever’ had it all- no question. The problematic one was Robin- there’s an interview somewhere where he was asked about the lyrics of “Massachusetts”- he was laughing because he discovered where it was AFTER the song on a visit to Boston. It had a nice sound for him, and I’m trying to remember whether he thought it was a Hawaian island or a Carribbean island. JQ- I recall hearing the lyric, but can’t tie it to a particular song (or even artist). I own only Saturday Night Fever OST.

Ben – ‘If you can remember the 60s, you weren’t there’ has often been attributed to Paul Kantner. Was it definitely Wavy Gravy?

Today’s press were reasonably open-minded about Pete T in the circumstances although all ran it as the main headline. At least the Mail on Sunday and Sunday Times printed his explanation and implied, I think, that they believed him. A tabloid I saw had “Child Pervert” on the front page. Presumably the journalists couldn’t spell the correct word, assumed their public would not be able to read it, and ignored the logic of grammar. A child pervert is surely a child who is perverted.


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Posted by:

Lil

Ray/Mike: Thanks for filling me in on the Pete Townshend saga. I'll reserve my opinion for if and when there's something more substantial.

Thanks Jan. I think this one deserves a group hug :-)


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Posted by:

Vergleich Unfallversicherung

Location: Vergleich Unfallversicherung
Web: My link

Excellent website, very informative. Keep up the excellent work - - Harry.


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: JQ/Bee Gee

JQ, I remember the song your talking about: :16 kids, family on the skids.... I believe that would have been around 1968-69. I was quite young at the time. It was definitely not the Bee Gees who sang it. I believe it was a country folk guy, along the lines of Tony Joe White, Joe South, etc. It was neither Tony Joe or J. South, but someone who had that type of sound. I believe he was a one hit wonder, but his name eludes me. I'm sure someone in here will come up with the answer.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Townsend and Bill

Ben, the two are not equatable.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Bee Gee

Was it the Bee Gees that had a song about "16 kids and a family on the skids I gotta go for a country drive"? I always thought that one mirrored/copied/homaged some of The Band's elements. Like its theme, dead-drum sound & audible mandolin. I think it was around the time of NY Mining Disaster, pre-disco era. Anybody know for sure? Mr Viney?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Correction: it was of course Wavy Gravy who said "If you can remember the sixties you wern't there."

Let suppose for a moment that Pete Townshead, vexed by dark or inappropreate longings; chose to indulge in fantasy rather than behavior that would damage others.

Of course the explotation and abuse of children in the creation of such material is a relevent, not unrelated issue; but I find such people highly forgivable and only sadly human.

For fans of the utterly vicious hunt for Bill Clinton's Penis to tell me they don't like to watch a human being destroyed is equaly sad.


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA EARTH

Subject: Professor Longhair/Pizza & Other Regional Foods/TxMent of Women in Rock Music

Folks:

Prof. Longhair (Roy Byrd) has long suffered from many somehwat unscrupulous record company owners/producers who have released inferior versions of his compositions without his approval (and, in more than a few cases, without paying him his due)

Pizza: please, friends, this whole topic has given us severe heartburn... besides, every pizza lover knows that the best comes from the mid-Atlantic states (perhaps as a result of the high number of Italian-Americans residing in this area). At least here, one is able to get a respite from the higly acidic tomato sauce ("gravy", as it's known in South Philadelphia)typically added to the foodstuff by partaking of other (highly questionable in their "health value") items such as hoagies and cheesesteaks, or by ordering pizza with other toppings...

And concerning rock musicians' portrayals of women in their music, two salient points are worth considering:

(1) The overwhelming majority of them are men, and as it has been said so eloquently by the "relationship expert" who shows up regularly on public TV and the "Oprah Winfrey Show", "men are from Mars and women are from Venus." In the case of rock music, this translates to some songs containing references to women that are not always "politically correct." (If you want political correctness and complete repsect for the female gender, you will most probably not find it in the "rock music idiom.")

(2) Most rock musicians have historically treated women in their "one on one" (or "one on many") interactions about as respectfully as they are treated by many professional athletes.

There are, of course, more han a few exceptions to these two observations.



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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Maurice/Pete

Some shocking news yeaterday about Pete. I'm not one to judge anyone. I try to gather all of the facts and then decide for myself. From what I have gathered (yes, I'm a Who fan), Pete isn't a pedophile. Though the media will sure have a field day. Innocent until proven guilty, something many people seem to forget. And I don't believe he is guilty.

Very upsetting to hear about Maurice Gibb. I have never been a fan of disco. And I never considered their mid to late 70's material as "disco", though some do. I don't mind admitting that I liked Bee Gee's contributions to "Saturday Night Fever". I do own the cd and dvd. Though their early material frm the late 1960's may seem lightweight, it's pure pop. And ya know, I like that too. They did have a unique harmonic blend. Maurice will be missed, no doubt. Too soon gone...

Mike


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pete Townshend and Maurice Gibb

I'm blocking out the Pete Townshend scandal. I'm not into watching someone's life get destroyed. It's a serious matter, but we are all innocent until proven guilty. On Maurice Gibb, what a shock! Just another sign of our mortality. The Bee Gees were the fashionable group to hate 20/25 years ago, but as pop/disco music goes, they were among the best. I saw them live, only once in 1989 just after Andy Gibb died, I think, and it was a great show. Not my favorite cup of tea, perhaps, but you had to appreciate their pop prowess.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: Pete Townshend

For Lil and others who are interested, I've followed the Townshend story since yesterday, when he made a statement to the press. Admitting that he used a credit card to access a site with child pornography, he maintains he did so to research a book he is writing about his childhood, and believes he was abused as a child. Pete denied being a pedophile, I found his statement to be convincing, and I hope people will give him the benefit of the doubt.

(But I doubt if many people will.)

The link above is to Townshend's statement.


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Delete

Thank you Jan.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: peace & quiet

JAN,,

make sure your countrymen nominate you for a Nobel PEACE Prize,,

for you are certainly a PEACEMAKER,,,

bless yo Heart,,,

bubbaband ( who ALWAYS uses his real name,, )


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Band sessions

My draft for the ‘Unsubstantiated Sessions’ version 2 has grown by about 50% in the last week thanks to contributions and memory jogs. Has anyone got any more to add before it gets formatted properly? As well as extending pieces, I’ll be adding stuff about rumours on the Red Bird label sessions, Prof Longhair, Fire down Below, Champion Jack Dupree, Robert Plant, the overdubbed versions of the ‘Whispering Pines’ show, Raging Bull OST, Carly Simon, Sonny Boy Williamson.

Ben Pike- if you e-mail me, I have a newspaper cover I think you'd like. (viney at mailbox.co.uk)


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Testing

1..2...3. Checking things after a little re-programming of the guestbook script.


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Geez..CNN is full of all sorts of stuff this morning. Pete Townsend? Pedophilia?? Say it isn't so! I only caught the tail end of this report, so if anyone's heard anything more, please update me. Thanks.

I may just stop listening to CNN in the morning...


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Posted by:

Lil

Aww.. I just heard on CNN that Maurice Gibb (of the 'Bee Gees') passed away at 53 years old. I was never a fan of disco (hated it in fact), but I did really like the Bee Gee's back in their "I started a joke" days, and any time I ever saw them interviewed on TV or whatever, they always seemed to me like nice, unaffected people. Too young to go so soon. Sad.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: BWNWIT

You are a sick and hateful person and nothing will ever convince me otherwise. Don't you ever mention my kids again.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Beautiful message Levon!! I had to break open a new box of Kleenex. Hope you'll return and post under your own name sometime.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 07:32:04 CET 2003 from (209.130.151.236)

Posted by:

Nobody

Location: Outside

Subject: Trying to find something that's missing

In this place hunger is our guide. Why do we come here? What do we expect to find here that will nourish us? We come here with nothing but the need to be part of a brotherhood once called The Band. But it's too late, that band has died. We know that love nourishes us: when it is in our lives we can bear pain, confusion, combat, and even death. I think we all become our true selves when we love and are loved. We don't have to fight anymore, it's time to turn our backs on hate and teach our children to love. Just as The Band left a legacy of beautiful music for us to love, we need to hand down a legacy of our own. We have to stop hurting each other.

Sit down with your Band music and forget about all the bad things that happened after their songs stopped. Maybe it's within you to make your own music. To find your own brotherhood. To forgive.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

In their unending, dubious quest to unearth every piece of forgotten American sub cinema they can get their hands on; "Something Weird Video" has issued another Double DVD feature in "Mondo Mod" and "The Hippie Revolt" two made at the time sixites docs on the youth scene, "Mondo" in L.A. and "Hippie" in San Francisco. Dispite the fact that "Mondo" was shot by Vilmos Zigmond and Lazlo Kovacs((!)Band Connection!) the films are basicly padded out nothing. It is the commentary tracks by Johnny Legend and Eric Caden that make this DVD well worth checking out.

Even those burned out on sixties nostalgia will find tidbits of interest here; Country Joe notwithstanding, these guys WERE there and have made every effort to remember. Legend, still a force in rockabilly, gives a great rundown of the clubs on the strip and the bands playing in what he views as the true golden era: 65-66. (Music is provided by, among others, The Love Generation and The Gretshmen).

On the era they speak to so formatibly(they are cut off by the length of the marginaly interesting films, but you feel they could go on forever) they are wistfull, yet unsentimental. They grant the sinserity of some, but maintain most were in the scene to get A) high and B) laid. They are not certainly not pious about drug use; but Cadin (who runs "Hollywood Book and Poster") recalls stoned friends who decided to go surfing at three in the morning and were never seen again. Legend maintains that bad vibes were being felt by 67 and things were already sliding downhill. The famous "Something Happening Here" strip riots were not based on Vietnam or Cival rights, but curfew beefs

Lots of stories about the Doors, PV, though Legend recalls seeing "Them" with Van Morrison in their only L.A. Apperance. Caden claims he went to Dodger stadium with the bill of The Byrds, The Lovin Spoonful, The Beatles, and a forgotten Memphis band called "The Gullontines". Only interested in the latter, he left after the first act!

You also get the customary goofy trailers and shorts that come with all the SW DVDS. Check it out!


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Bayou Sam; The Night Ol' Levon Pee'd Robbie Down

No one other than me, not even Butch, knows about the recent impromtu meeting between Levon and Robbie in the men's room in a location that I cannot reveal (for fear that posters will descend upon it and steal the American Standard urinals--actually I have both urinals and will be putting one up on E-Bay, the other is bronzed and sits on my big screen TV). I don't know who walked in first, but when I exited a stall, there they were, standing at the urinals, backs to me--but there was no mistaking who they were. It was like viewing Mt. Rushmore from the far side. They turned towards one another, spoke not a word, stared cold stares at each other for a few seconds and then turned back facing straight ahead, the reflection of their faces distorted in the sheen of the shiny black tile wall. (For the prurient, LH uses one hand, RR two). The silence was deafening; the tension in the air, palpable. RR finished up first and headed straight for the door. Before he exited, LH said, snidely: "Yo' mama evah taych ya ta worsh yer hands aftah ya pee?" RR,with a smirk, responded: "Heh, at Dreamworks we don't pee on our hands."


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Content deleted. No more, please.
--jh


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary

Licensing problem?

Any thoughts on why Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary concert has never made it to DVD? I thought this would be a natural great seller. Maybe some extra footage.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 03:52:18 CET 2003 from 1cust246.tnt1.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.200.135.246)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old, Cold Virginny

Subject: "Let it Be" DVD and Bob's "Chronicles" Book

It's now possible to go to the CD-NOW site and enter an e-mail address to be notified about the release date on the DVD release of the "Let it Be" documentary from 1970.

Amazon now lists a firm release date on the first of three volumes of Bob Dylan's autobiographical "Chronicles," with the first book due on April 15 at a $22.00 US price for 208 pages in hardcover.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Ricjie Furay, Replying to Mike D

I sent you a short message telling you I didnt have a link Mike, but then I decided to check out the label's website and I was quite impressed. Woundedbird.com offers a number of titles and is a Re-release only label featuring Richie Furay, The Souther, Hillman Furay Band, Dr. John, Paul Butterfield, Electric Flag, Randy Miesner, Bernie Leadon, Jam Akkerman, Jam Hammer, Jeff Walker and a number of others. CHeck it out, the ordering prices seem extremely reasonable.


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Posted by:

Troy

Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Subject: Levon

Butch tell Levon we would love to have him and the Barnburners here in Chatt town. He is certainly one of my musical heroes. All the best!!


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Sam - Chinese was on the menu tonight,(decadent huh?!) maybe pizza next week.

John D-Thanks for the link mate, I'll check it out.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 02:01:24 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: a little levity, because as Levon said, "at all costs let's laugh".

I bet Pizza is looking like a pretty good freakin' subject now huh?


Entered at Sun Jan 12 01:45:45 CET 2003 from ac9411cd.ipt.aol.com (172.148.17.205)

Posted by:

J.L.B.

Location: TN

BANDfan has got the spirit,that is the way the Band is supposed to be thought of.I enjoyed it.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 01:44:28 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-12.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.12)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Bumbles

I do now know that this is not a safe place to mention one's children. The population of GB psychopaths is too immense. I know this is quite a bit of fun for you, but this is the last I'm writing on the subject.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 01:43:42 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Mike D = sure, that'd be great. I'll e-mail you.

Chris = You should watch "Let It Be" again. You've got my curiosity now. I have watched my L.I.B. video a lot. John dosen't mock George's "I Me Mine". There's a quick-cut to a scene where George is doing a great guitar strum (later dropped) from I Me Mine, accompanied by Paul and Ringo - John and Yoko are shown standing there kissing, and John suddenly breaks into a waltz with Yoko in response to what George is playing. It's sort of a symbolic look at reality. John wanted to be with the love of his life more than he wanted to be a Beatle anymore.......Also, unless I've missed it, there is no mention of The Band in the movie. If there is I'd love to know where. The movie is really sort of slapped together. There are some parts where the sound track is not syncing right up to the image you're watching (Paul's piano playing part on "For You Blue"). But it's a great movie for a Beatle fan. Actually, George split for a time during this period and fimling was halted. If you watch the movie, Harrison is clean shaven at the beginning and has facial hair later.


Entered at Sun Jan 12 01:09:01 CET 2003 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Lifeboy / Woodstock

Lifeboy.....don't know what your budget is; but Twin Gables is a great place to stay right smack in the middle of Woodstock. The bus stops right in the center of town. Two mile walk to Bearsville. Going to Big Pink and other spots could be a little tough as you really need transportation when you leave town. But staying in Woodstock will not make you isolated and there's lot to see. As you can see the rates are variable and the couple that own the place are just great!


Entered at Sun Jan 12 00:14:36 CET 2003 from abby6.revealed.net (208.16.227.197)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Beatles

How ironic that The Fabs were discussing The Band during the Let It Be sessions as I have an impromptu performance of "Third Man Theme" from the intitial rehearsals for the movie. Very interesting to listen to. Anyhow, where was I?


Entered at Sun Jan 12 00:10:26 CET 2003 from abby6.revealed.net (208.16.227.197)

Posted by:

Mike D.

I need to post here more than I have been lately. I am missing out. Bayou Sam, I compiled a list of all my bootlegs. Shall I send it to you? the_stranger76 at yahoo dot com


Entered at Sun Jan 12 00:09:24 CET 2003 from mcha-aa095.taconic.net (205.231.148.94)

Posted by:

Happy Birthday Megan!!!

Lotsa love from all of us dude! :-)
D,S,J&J


Entered at Sun Jan 12 00:06:57 CET 2003 from abby6.revealed.net (208.16.227.197)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Richie Furay

Calvin, do you have a link for more info about those cd's? I hope I can retire my vinyl copies very soon.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 23:49:34 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Water Off A Duck's Back

AMANDA: You sure did. At length, in detail, and vividly. Nobody’s business but yours, but you did post it here. Having done that, how can you act offended when someone mentions it?


Entered at Sat Jan 11 23:35:36 CET 2003 from dial2a-193.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.193)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Levon/DHB session

Thanks Butch for filling us in on the session..it's much appreciated.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 23:18:28 CET 2003 from 12-249-69-3.client.attbi.com (12.249.69.3)

Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: O'Toole / The Beatles

O'Toole mentioned an exchange between Lennon and Harrison about The Band. A conversation that happened during Harrison trying to debut "All Things Must Pass". I distinctly remeber that there was several comments like that in the movie "Let It Be" which I have but haven't watched in a while.

Between Lennon mocking "I Me Mine" and another Harrison number, and then waltzing around with Yoko while George plays, there is an exchange where George earnestly explains that he is looking for The Band's type of sound. As I recall.



Entered at Sat Jan 11 22:25:23 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Leanna

Web: My link

Nice site, I hope you visit mine, it's loaded with links to online casinos and sportsbooks featuring 24-thrilling hours nonstop gaming action - 100 Casinos - Click Here - http://www.casinokats.com/ 


Entered at Sat Jan 11 22:23:27 CET 2003 from 1cust8.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.8)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: No Brainer

I can easily think of several other posters who should be much higher up on any current "bouncing out" list.

(And I'm sure most of you can too.)


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:48:31 CET 2003 from host213-123-157-15.in-addr.btopenworld.com (213.123.157.15)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: email

Hi, the @ comes after lifeboy ie lifeboyatbtopenworld.com hope this works, let me know if you have any more probs.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:48:20 CET 2003 from cdm-66-255-105-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.255.105)

Posted by:

BANDfan

Subject: The Last Waltz 4 disc set

I received The Last Waltz 4 disc audio set for Christmas!! GREAT MUSIC! I had never heard the song Out of The Blue. I love that song. It makes me think of a certain girl every time I hear it. Great memories and even better music. My thanks to Rick , Richard , Levon , Garth , and Robbie for some of the best music ever made!


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:43:57 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

AMANDA, et. al. ,,,,,,,,

the attacks on you have NOTHING to do with the real facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,you are liked by Levon ( & me ) so you are automatically branded by the grudgeholders,, or whatever Ya wanna call em,,,

i sang your praises & Levon complimented you,,, you must be worthy of trash-talkin,,,,

Like water off a duck's back, kiddo, THEY cant touch you,,,,, ( imo)


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:30:19 CET 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Subject: What silence means

Speaking up in defense of the unjustly accused in the GB takes more time than I've got. But there are those among us who confuse creative insults with wit. Since they are just nasty show-offs, they should probably be ignored.

But I have also noticed that some of these clowns think that silence means that you are speechless in the face of their powerful intellect. Frankly, some people are just not interesting enough to debate.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:29:25 CET 2003 from dial2a-132.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.132)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Lifeboy

That address you gave didn't work...where's the at, @ go in it?


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:21:17 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

MEAN PEOPLE SUCK


Entered at Sat Jan 11 21:02:40 CET 2003 from host213-123-157-15.in-addr.btopenworld.com (213.123.157.15)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Catskills

Hi everyone,Mel and I are hoping to visit the Catskills; we have found some accomodation in a small village called Pine Hill in Ulster county via the internet. It would be fair to say that we are rather uninformed when it comes to the area and wondered if you could give us any advice on the area regarding places to stay in the Woodstock area taking into account that neither of us drive and would be reliant on public transport. We appreciate that transport may be limited in that part of the country but we are concerned about being too isolated. Any advice you have to offer would be most appreciated. If anyone could point us in the right direction or put us in touch with anyone who could help us that would be great. My email is lifeboy at btopenworld dot com. Thanks.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 20:40:08 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-12.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.12)

Posted by:

Amanda

Bumbles: I didn't post anything about my kids at great length or in detail. You can think whatever you want is fair game or not. Frankly, I don't give a fuck.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 19:58:06 CET 2003 from dial2a-246.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.246)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Bearsville New Years show

I came into a high quality audience recording of the show..I'll burn a couple of copies...freebie of course..hilennoxatdellmail dot come.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 19:20:39 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Levon / Hiatt ?

Hey Butch (or any one else) I heard that Levon sat in on a session for John Hiatt and The Goners new album. Is this true? If it has been mentioned here somewhere I missed it. Can anyone confirm this ...

Still raining in Cali. ...

Still haven't watched The Last Waltz ...

BYE-BYE



Entered at Sat Jan 11 19:16:51 CET 2003 from ppp8.a2-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.8)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: born in Peterborough Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Ronnies Birthday Party

Any of our GB'ers make it to Ronnie Hawkin's 67th birthday party last night in Peterborough?

I could not make it with the blasted Winter weather and not feeling all that well.

Having Garth & Maude there sure would be a bonus.

Peterborough's Brock Ballroom, early 60's is where I was first introduced to Ronnie & the Hawks (THE BAND) by then CHEX RADIO 980 d.j. Johnny Gilbert. \Funny how some things come full cycle. Now Ronnie lives up there.

To Ronnie Jr. Leah, Robin, Wanda ...Happy Birthday Hawk. Keep Rockin' & God Bless!

"from the skinny kid from Peterborough" well I was in 1962.

shineonpaulg


Entered at Sat Jan 11 19:00:57 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: GB Protocol

Why is it inflammatory for BWNWIT to refer to a previous post? If something isn’t fair game for discussion or comment, why post about at some length and in detail?


Entered at Sat Jan 11 18:56:09 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Butch, glad to hear you guys are having soooo much fun... up here, we had kids banging on a plastic starter drum set and toy organ... while we watched the Levon drumming video... which I just got... having mucho funco...


Entered at Sat Jan 11 18:21:19 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: scroll by if ya hate levon/me

Levon Helm showed his greatness again, this week in Somers Point, in the studio,, with The Dixie Hummingbirds.

Larry Campbell producing,,,(& playing) & Tony Garnier with Levon in the Rhythm section backed the National Treasures,, The Dixie Hummingbirds,,,,,,, WHAT A JOYFUL NOISE,,,,,,

with an unreleased bob dylan song,, a julie miller tune, one of Larry's, the standard Bid Ya Good Night,,,& a few others so far,, the blend of these cats,,, old, & young, & in between,,, black, white, cajun, redneck,,all blending together, in such aheavenly way,,

& the friendships that were forged in just a few days were great,, the HB's wanna come see the Barn Burners cause as Bright said,,," Old Dude, you got a groove !!! ",,, Helm just laughed,,,

Levon was especially touched by all this, cause he kept tellin me how much his mother LOVED GOSPEL Music,, & she was smilin down on him, for this project,,,

to watch them all take a song they'd never heard & watch them build it into a 6 part harmony with larry tony & Levon holding the music tight,, yet real loose,, to me was a blessing,, \\

seeing them do their magic,, they slid their velvet voices into the perfect shelf, then blended them all together,, amazing,,,

luckily we have two more days next week,, where we are recording some DHB's originals,, heavy Jesus Gospel,,,soulful,, so soulful,, but they make it look sooooooo easy,,

it is a tribute to our Mr Helm that these Legends & Larry & Tony ,, picked him,, they had the pick of any drummer they wanted,, anywhere,,& chose Levon,, im proud of that,, & so is he,,,

well, maybe part 2 next week,,,,,,

bless yo hearts,,,,


Entered at Sat Jan 11 18:12:01 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Richie Furay and somedays I think we deserve each other

While it didnt seem to interest anyone when I posted it the other day I'd like to once again let everyone know that Richie Furay's 3 SOlo albums from the 1970s were released on CD, finally. Great stuff, fantastic stuff-what a voice. I always felt Richie never really got the respect he deseved. He, Gene Clark and Rick Danko are probably my favorite male voices of the rock era. Seek these CDs out, they are worth it.

BWNWITENN, what the heck was that? We've been going along for days without anyone getting annoyed with anyone else, everyone having a good time and you feel the need to take a shot at Butch and Amanda just to get your jollies? And to include Amanda's children? As much as some of the people who come in here with fake names, or just to flame and nothing else, are a royal pain that was much worse. From our own we should expect better, dont you think? It makes it 10 times worse than you did it as opposed to some no name flamer. You know better, you know how wonderful this place can be, and you tried to break it up to be funny. Way out of line.

And while we are at it, I disagree with Butch's politics and some of his statement ans strongly as anyone. We've even got into a heated debate ourselves a year or so ago, although once settled we traded apologies off board like the decent fellows we are-but it would never crosee my mind in the moments I am most annoyed by a "towel-head" comment that the man would ever post under a fake name to flame people. Gutless he aint.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 18:01:25 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

chuck d = you picked an unfortunate time to discover this guestbook. Occasionally, personal things pop up between people and sort of run their course. But don't let it scare you away. Keep coming back and you'll know everything about what Levon, Garth, and Robbie are doing except what time they pee. It's great. Stick around.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 17:53:03 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Bwnwitenn = you cetainly lit some brush fires didn't you? Since we seem to be cool with each other, I felt compelled to chime in here on your last post. I know you and Butch are never going to have each other over for dinner, so that's one thing. But, that comment toward Amanda was kinda harsh, to say the least. I have no idea what your history with her is in here, but her post about the three-year old pizza was just having fun. Did she really deserve that shot you gave her?

I'm sure you're expecting to catch hell from some people in here now. I just thought I'd chime in as someone you may not be expecting it from in hopes that you'll see that you went over the line on that one. It was not cool at all.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 17:41:29 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-022castocp0446.dialsprint.net (65.178.97.192)

Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: stolen Beatle tapes found


Entered at Sat Jan 11 16:55:45 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: class action suit against the music industry

Hope the link works. Apparently, 41 states sued and won a lawsuit against the music industry for collusion to overprice cd's. If you bought cd's between 1995 and 2000, you are eligible for a rebate of up to $20.00, no receipt necessary, you merely have to answer 3 questions. This is legit, I got the info out of the Richmond Times Dispatch.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 15:29:02 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Roz...we need ya hun..if ya have any doubts scroll back the last few days, that is if ya don't fall a sleep first.. and I thought pizza's only came frozen..


Entered at Sat Jan 11 15:01:54 CET 2003 from 248.ppp132.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.132.248)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Web: My link

Subject: My link doesn't work

Really hate to post My link that doesn't work - even if it is only the same old humble vCard. Now it should be correct. Sorry.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 14:54:22 CET 2003 from 248.ppp132.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.132.248)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: "Waiting for Godot" / David Powell

DAVID POWELL's excellent post on HANK WILLIAMS and SAMUEL BECKETT kept me awake the last night (= a symptom for an incurable 3rd degree bandguestbookaholism). I saw the light... I saw the light... I figured out the connections between the hit of the Finnish singer/songwriter with the clear Hank Williams influences Hande "The Judge" Nurmio and Beckett's play "Waiting for Godot". "Judge's" hit in the 70s was "He is here today" and the title of Beckett's book was "He shall come tomorrow"... 1+1=1.999999999 ... or was I just dreaming?

Footnote: Titles above are free translations. The original Finnish titles are "Hän on täällä tänään" and "Huomenna hän tulee". - Email: woodlark.geo(Danish pastry)yahoo.com - My link is "only" my gb vCard.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 14:42:38 CET 2003 from mcha-aj112.taconic.net (205.231.150.112)

Posted by:

Lil

BWNWIT: That was probably the cruelest thing I ever heard anyone say in here. I don't really care that it wasn't directed at me.. it was directed at someone's _children_. I hope your sorry ass is the next one Jan bounces out of here.

Sorry everyone else, but making cruel remarks about children is really out of line.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 14:42:44 CET 2003 from (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: JCF

Sorry for my ignorence, but I am not familiar with the Basil Hayden version. But that's the great thing about this site: finding out about such things.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 14:29:21 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-12.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.12)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: BWNWIT

You are really a sad case. I was posting about something Band related and you had to bring my kids into it. If anyone hasn't bothered to take off their glasses and see your true colors--I hope they have now. You are a mean, heartless person and whoever chooses to align themselves with you are cowards.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 09:14:23 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

chuck d

Location: nyc

Subject: general

To whoever reads this: I think this is a fitting tribute to one of the most important bands I can think of. Very informative and put together with a lot of care. I'm currently in the middle of Levon's book and sure would like to hear his Barn Burner's play if they get down to NYC. I notice that Garth has a gig coming up upstate--I would like to hear what he's into now as well. I was alas too late in discovering the pure, yet skillfull musicianship and songwriting craftmanship of the Band and it's individual members. It sucks the hairy bag-pipes that I never had the chance to catch this group with Rick, Robbie, Garth, Richard, and Levon as they were (or for that matter as the Hawks). I wonder if Garth and Levon perform together much these days. I wouldn't care if they just did blues covers all night--I'd get a ticket and a rent-a-car. I also hope that Levon's feeling better and is well and happy. Anyway, great site! Thanks and keep it up. JCD


Entered at Sat Jan 11 08:09:33 CET 2003 from host-209-214-112-148.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.148)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Location: North Korea

Subject: Bushing the GB

We used to get a supreme pizza from Columbo's in Lincoln Park and I would eat the first few bites with a knife and fork because otherwise it was weighed down too much with sausage and would fall apart. But after the first few I'd pick the mother up. Finish the crust, too.

NITWIT, it's funny how your domain is always something about cache.aol. I guess you're just pissed about my joking around about something like impotence, huh Butch - I mean NITWIT.

Tony, Levon's road manager, who posts here on occasion until the common folk inevitably reject his bully pulpit sentiments, said that Levon doesn't like Phil Lesh because he once saw Phil berate his guitar tech at a concert. Apparently beating the crap out of your wife and kids when you're drunk off your ass, which his buddy Kruetzmann was found guilty in court of doing, is kosher.

Amanda, if I wanted to I could say that you could be cast in the movie about retrieving the three-year-old toddler from the river with one hand while typing a GB entry with the other, but then you'd start to cry and everyone would call foul play, so I won't say it.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 03:58:01 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

J Tull = thank's for the Beatles news. That is indeed very exciting. I didn't even know the tapes were missing. There have been boots put out of the Glyn John's produced "Get Back" album that never came out. I have heard that there was something like 40 hours of film shot for the "Let It Be" movie. I'd love to sit and watch all of that film. I wonder how Paul and Ringo have reacted to this news.

Charlie Young = the only band that Lennon had no interest in during the "Let It Be" period was The Beatles.

bwnwitenn = I certainly do fold the slice of pizza in half to eat it. That's how it's done. I actually know people who eat it with a knife and fork too. That ain't right. You lose the experience.

Cousin pauly = what do I think of what? Jackson Browne? Well, I'm not sure if he's Canadian - and I've alway's thought he was OK, but I never had the desire to put on one of his records. Except for a few tunes, his stuff dosent really catch my ear for the most part.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 03:41:31 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Lee

David, I've been enjoying the articles on that website. I named my youngest daughter Corrina. She often rolls her eyes and says, 'Oh, dad.' If I'm sat around playing guitar and can't help but sing the line..."Corrina Corrina where you been so long.." Kids, eh?

I don't think Levon plays on the soundtrack to Fire Down Below. He does perform a song in the film whilst playing acoustic guitar. I had the opportunity to interview Levon when he was on set for this movie and also interviewed Marty Grebb. Marty mentioned something interesting about the song Fire in the Hole (?) He had an idea that The Band might have tracked that but I guess Levon or Aaron Hurwitz could answer that one.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 03:35:57 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Time to leave Yoko alone once and for all: The Band broke up the Beatles. By laying something down once and for all the Mop Tops couldn't top; they gave the Liverpoolers just cause to call it a decade.

Love the solo "Corrina, Corrina" on the "Freewheelin" outtakes, one of Bob's best vocals ever.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 03:24:46 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

JCF

Subject: new york

JT Tull Fan: Don't you prefer Basil Hayden?


Entered at Sat Jan 11 02:39:19 CET 2003 from ac87673f.ipt.aol.com (172.135.103.63)

Posted by:

O'Toole

Subject: The Beatles

The news about those recovered Beatles tapes is great. I really hope there are some hidden treasures there. Concerning Lennon not being into the Band, I recall reading a snippet from one of the books on the Beatles in a local Barnes & Noble where an exchange between George and John was quoted (or paraphrased). At the time George was trying to show them "All Things Must Pass" and said he was trying to sound like the Band. To which Lennon replied something to the effect of 'I'm trying to sound like them on all the songs we're doing.' While I could easily see this as a quick Lennon aside, I remember thinking at the time when I read it that it sounded sincere. But I was in a hurry so...

If anyone has read this or knows more about it - I'd love to hear it. I always wished that the 'get back' version of To Kingdom Come had some vocals.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 01:32:22 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks for sharing your own lyrics David P... Switching gears, I sure do hope we get some reviews from the Hudsons' 3 day run in Canadia... with feelin'...


Entered at Sat Jan 11 01:14:51 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Corrina, Corrina

Ironically, when I got home tonight I grabbed some Knob Creek and cranked up Taj Mahal's version form Live with the Hula Blues Band 2000, a great cd.


Entered at Sat Jan 11 01:05:50 CET 2003 from h60n2fls21o1077.telia.com (81.224.159.60)

Posted by:

koko

Location: GBG
Web: My link

THe band is the band, the best band


Entered at Sat Jan 11 00:45:39 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612716.sympatico.ca (65.93.193.83)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Corrina Corrina

I have Rolling Stones with Taj Mahal...Leo Kottke...Ry Cooder with Taj Mahal...and of course....Taj Mahal...singing "Corrina, Corrina"...Was the original version "Corrine, Corrina?


Entered at Sat Jan 11 00:29:20 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: Corrina Corrina

Many thanks David.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 23:31:12 CET 2003 from pool-141-153-194-74.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.194.74)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Corina Corina Corina

David: To Dylan, Clapton & Muddy Waters you can add Dr. John, with his vocal on the version credited to Chris Barber.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 22:41:19 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Web: My link

Subject: Corrina, Corrina

Lee: See above link for a list of various versions of "Corrina, Corrina". It's interesting to note that three different guests at The Last Waltz, Bob Dylan, Muddy Waters & Eric Clapton, have recorded versions of that classic song.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 22:26:51 CET 2003 from (139.134.63.153)

Posted by:

Fritz

Location: Sydney, Australia

Subject: The Last Waltz

The Last Waltz is currently showing in here in Sydney, Australia at the Chauvel Cinema in Paddington so I took myself to see it last night and was blown away. Sure, I've seen it numerous times before on video with tinny sound but this was THE first time I have really SEEN and HEARD the film. It was great.

What was interesting, though, was watching the film surrounded by an audience and seeing what a group mentality thought of as being "funny" in the film. Certainly Richard Manuel received the most laughs and I believe these were genuine laughs especially when he was going through his litany of names the band had considered before becoming The Band.

The two performers who fell victim to the cinema laughing AT them though, were Neil Diamond and, to a lesser extent, Van Morrison.

When Neil Diamond walked on the audience openly giggled and I know it's been said many times before, but this is definitely the low point of the film and it's Diamond's performance which kind of casts a funny pall over the rest of the film. Thank God for Dylan rescuing it from the doldrums.

I actually like Van Morrison's performance and I guess what people were laughing at was his dress sense more than ever (the lace up pants and the "diamond" studded jacket just look so...lame...on the big screen)but it was definitely an experience.

Another thought I had while sitting there was that I wonder if they had ever considered having Jerry Garcia play? Certainly his connection with The Band was more tenable than someone like Neil Diamond's.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Beatles Playing "To Kingdom Come"

JTull Fan: that is indeed great news about the recovery of those "Let it Be/Get Back" master session tapes. No wonder there were so many boots of those sessions--including the rough but spirited take of The Band's "To Kingdom Come" that may be sampled on the audio clips area of this site. It sounds like George and Paul playing around with the tune, while someone (John?) says "see you tomorrow" at some point in the clip, perhaps indicating a lack of interest in The Band ...

Mr. Powell: I love those lyrics you wrote while inspired by Hank and Godot. I can hear that being sung to the tune of "Whispering Pines," and that is a huge compliment indeed.


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Posted by:

Lee

There is a great version of Uncle Pen on a live tape I have somewhere by Levon. Does anyone have any information on the history of Corinna Corinna? Any links to this traditional song would be much appreciated.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 21:16:09 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Fire Down Below

David Powell and Peter Viney: I remember that Levon co-wrote a song with Marty Grebb which is listed in the movie credits but not on the soundtrack. I have not seen the movie in a while, and I can't remember the name of the song. Anyone?


Entered at Fri Jan 10 21:01:12 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Of serious interest to Beatles Fans

LEt it Be masters recovered; lost since stolen in the 70's. Also: Peter, your Prof. Longhair sessions reminded me of the bogus 'Road From Turkey Scratch' story out here some years back.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 20:30:53 CET 2003 from host215.olysteel.com (63.91.50.215)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Conviction

Bumbles, great link. Apparently Mr. Grossman felt rather strongly about who owned the tapes.

"The plaintiff's complaint recounts the unusual circumstances under which the tapes went from Grossman's possession to that of his estate: "Upon information and belief, tragically dying en route [from a European music conference], Albert Grossman lay in state [sic] at Heathrow Airport in London. Upon claiming the corpse, Sally Grossman, widow of Albert Grossman, discovered the Baton Rouge recording session tapes clutched to the deceased body." Complaint, ¶ XVII.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Docket No. 98-9544

P_VINEY: The Professor Longhair-Band session rumor no doubt has its origin in Longhair’s early 70s encounter with Albert Grossman. See the attached link for details. BTW: The albums resulting from the Grossman-financed sessions, “House Party New Orleans Style” (Rounder) & ”Mardi Gras in Baton Rouge” (Rhino) are terrific, featuring a band that included Snooks Eaglin on guitar & (original) Meters rhythm section George Porter & Ziggy Modaliste.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 19:44:57 CET 2003 from du-tele3-087.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.87)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Waiting for Godot / Prof longhair

Didn't keep it, but Peter Hall (who directed the first English production) did a long article last week (I think in the Sunday Times, but maybe The Guardian - it might be on websites) on why it was the most important work of late 20th century drama - because it changed staging and got rid of the idea of a stage as a room with a missing wall. He contrasts it with the supposedly important "Angry young men" and points out they were the same old theatre with a different topic NOT new like Beckett.

The notes keep coming in. Just got one on a Professor Longhair / Band planned and axed album - totally new to me. Anyone know more?


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: sp?

... That's messenger (sorry) not mess-anger ... my mistake ...

It's still raining in Cali ...


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: for heavenly messanger

Thank you heavenly messenger, though I really can't take credit for any of it. ; ^ )

Click "My link" and play the top song "Something". I think you'll find it a lovely tribute to George from Bob ...

Still haven't played that Last Waltz yet ...



Entered at Fri Jan 10 19:25:39 CET 2003 from (12.151.114.40)

Posted by:

tony

Subject: Mickey Hart

just guessing, but i imagine the reason Levon enjoys playing with Bill Kreutzman but not with Mickey Hart is that Bill is a superb drummer while Mickey is a mediocre one at best

But what's Levon's problem with Phil Lesh?


Entered at Fri Jan 10 19:07:47 CET 2003 from 55.ppp139.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.139.55)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "Waiting for Godot"

If Mr. Powell has not made history in this gb with his mini-essays before - well, no his has definitely made it. HANK WILLIAMS and SAMUEL BECKETT in the same post!
There are many anecdotes about who this Monsieur Godot could be. I like the following because it is so simple and it is connected to Beckett's new found home in France. - Beckett saw a bunch of people standing in a crossroads in Paris. "Why are you standing here?" he asked. "We are waiting for Godot". It happened during the bicycle race Tour de France and Godot was the oldest man in the "peloton" and came last to this point where the crowd did stand.
The Finnish title of this book is freely translated "He shall come tomorrow" which makes you think more of The Bible than a bicycle race.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 18:21:43 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

David P's mention of King Biscuit Boy's "Official Music" caused me to drag out my CD of the thing. To tell you the truth, I've never liked side 1, the blues side, all that much (other than "Corrina") but I've always thought side 2 was absolutely stunning. The historically inclined might be interested in the fact that Johnny Rhythm, the singer in Robbie Robertson's old group the Suedes, is among the members of Crowbar (first mustache from the right in the photo). And that all the amazing piano work is courtesy the flying fingers of latter-day Band member Richard Bell.

The first record by King Biscuit Boy and Crowbar, the "Corinna Corinna" 45, was released at the same time as two others - one as by John Rutter and Crowbar, one as by Blake Fordham and Crowbar. The Rutter one is largely forgetable, but the Fordham one (Kelly Jay's real being Blake Fordham), a rockin' remake of Bill Munroe's "Uncle Pen" is one of the liveliest records this country has ever produced. I'd say rush out and buy it, except that it's almost impossible to find, unfortunately.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 18:02:25 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Desolation Row

"Well, shall we go?"

Half a century ago this month, the world was filled with the running dogs of desolation. After two devasting world wars, nations around the globe found themselves facing new political confrontations. Now, as the year twenty-ought-three begins, it seems as though, hopelessly, some things never change.

In the early morning of January 1, 1953, Hank Williams died in the back seat of a Cadillac as it wound down a snowy backroad in the American South. Heartbroken -- his head filled with the lonesome strains of country songs as a mixture of morphine & Falstaff beer filled his veins. He lived with pain and no one alive could sing the sad refrain of life as well as Hank Williams.

Exactly four days after the passing of Hank Williams, a play written by an Irishman, Samuel Beckett, was first performed in a theatre in Paris, France. "En Attendant Godot" or "Waiting for Godot", would prove to be one of the most influential works of 20th century drama. Delving into the unfathomable questions of existence, Beckett expressed the helplessness and suffering of man.

On the surface, existentialism and the theatre of the absurd may seem far removed from the world of a country singer from Alabama. Dip down into the core of that transplanted Irishman and you might find the same blues aching for expression in another form. Dig deeper and you may find similiarity, not only in the souls of Hank and Samuel, but in that of the bluesmen of the Mississippi Delta, who faced the slavery of another existence.

"Waitin neath a willow
Where are all the leaves?
Waitin neath a willow
Where are all the leaves
No more time for weeping
No more time to grieve"
(from "Just Like Waiting for Godot Blues" by D.R. Powell)


Entered at Fri Jan 10 17:12:37 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-12.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.12)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Bill & BWNWIT-The Hoboken Pizza Story

Levon's busy with PROFESSIONAL pursuits. I think the two of you could do great with a little independent pizza film. I have an old Super 8 camera you can borrow. You guys could co-star as the dynamic duo that retrieves the 3-year old pizza (among other things) from the darkness between the window and counter. Now that's casting!!!!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 16:04:02 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

BWNWIT: Your Hoboken story would make a good movie. Levon could be part of the rescue team sent to recover "The Pizza Down Below". Or something like that.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 12:23:37 CET 2003 from 59.80-202-209.nextgentel.com (80.202.209.59)

Posted by:

Bjørn Saksgård

Location: Trondheim, Norway

Subject: Levon to Europe?

Hello, Levon! Thanks for a great week in N.O. during jazzfest '99. Will you bring the Barnburners to Europe soon? (And say hello to Pat & the rest of the boys from me)


Entered at Fri Jan 10 09:31:25 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

NITWIT

Subject: DUMBASS

Hey BWNIT, I thought you were working at Burger King, now it's Pizza Hut. I guess a mutt is a mutt.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 07:33:57 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-018castocp0274.dialsprint.net (63.187.177.20)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Crabby

Beats the fuck out of the alternative!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 07:00:12 CET 2003 from 1cust22.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.22)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Conflict Resolution

Wow!! What a concept! The Band's music and dope diffusing the potential conflict with Iraq! I only wish I'd thought of it first.

How about Marty flying in some giant outdoor screens and a bunch of projectors so the Iraqi people can groove on TLW? I bet Levon's drumming would flip them all out! It would be a veritable Middle-Eastern Woodstock!!!

Then, on to North Korea!!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 06:50:21 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-018castocp0274.dialsprint.net (63.187.177.20)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: RCO pic

Ok,just found Levon sitting, second row, black shirt. Malone,Marini.This is cool..........


Entered at Fri Jan 10 06:47:52 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-018castocp0274.dialsprint.net (63.187.177.20)

Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: RCO-ALLStars link

Wow! Here's a good one.Just stumbled across this pic of Levon and the RCO Allstars in Japan with SOME fans. I've spotted Duck Dunn,Cropper. I think I can even see Butters head in the "way back".Levon?? Interesting photo!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 06:23:00 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-018castocp0274.dialsprint.net (63.187.177.20)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Ray's Link and thoughts on the Band

Well,chalk one up for Martin. I know that the Band historically has gone on record as not being too political,but they sure picked the wrong front man for that when they went on the road with Bob Dylan.Seems an odd choice for staying out of politics,musically or otherwise. My advice to Saddam, GWB and the New World Order??? Twist up a fatty, crack a couple of coldies, and crank up one of the Band's classics. Lot's to choose from.We can stand a whole lot more music , and helluva lot less bloodshed. I think that's politics we can all get behind.


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Posted by:

COUSIN PAUL

Location: Niagara Falls Ontario

Subject: Jackson Browne/John D

Jackson Browne. He is such a great musician, he must be CANADIAN, or he wants to be!!! What do you think,Bayou Sam?


Entered at Fri Jan 10 05:33:58 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612495.sympatico.ca (65.93.192.116)

Posted by:

heavenly messenger

Hei Kalervooooo! You must have ESP....As Bobby "Blue" Bland finished singing "Georgia On My Mind" I was about to play the Willy Grigg song that you sent and I saw that you posted.....Anyway, would you believe that just before my holidays I read to my class a book on the history of Pizza.....even before the pizza thread started? That's right.....I was trying to reach one of my disinterested students....I knew that he was obsessed with pizza.....He even wrote a song called "The Twelve Days Of Pizza"....."On the first day of Christmas my true TASTE gave to me.....a pizza on a tree"......Needless to say as soon as I started reading Kalervo he left his buddies and sat right in front of me and listened attentively......:-D

Music and Pizza connection....Louie Prima's song about "little angels" who are waitresses in their local pizzerias.....

Tiny Monster: Thanks for singing that great Dylan song awhile back......

Back With Wit In Tenn: So that's why some people eat their pizza like a sandwich.....It's not something that I would do.....Nooooooo.....


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: You Know

... ; ^ (



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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz ... ?

So, I've got the DVD player, the surround sound, the large screen TV and The Last Waltz just sitting there ... I still haven't played it ... What do you think it means ?

Is it some kind of neurosis ? ...

Can somebody please advise me on this ?

Is it the pizza ? ...

Can you FedEx Pizza from New York ?
Cause you sure can't get good pizza in California ...

I am lost here ...

Jeezz ...

and now it's raining again ...



Entered at Fri Jan 10 05:13:40 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

just spent some time looking at the photos of the Band at the Landy web-site....excellent


Entered at Fri Jan 10 05:11:10 CET 2003 from cache-hki-2.inet.fi (194.251.240.106)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Thank you, Susan!

Susan. Many thanks for your comments on Bobby Charles. Makes me want to get at least that Bearsville album. What I have heard is really fine music.

Like I have said I am not so much into nostalgia, but I really want to fill some blank spots in my past. Bobby Charles is one, Emmit Rhodes and Dion will be, too. Dion' s early 70' s albums must be really wonderful. I have only one and I have heard some songs from other albums.

Hats off to Mickey Hart... He is globally minded guy.

Glad to get you back, Angelina. And thanks for the history of pizza....


Entered at Fri Jan 10 05:08:55 CET 2003 from 234.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.234)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Web: My link

Subject: Link for Rollie

...and for anyone else who likes Rollie's links...this one has a Band connection, unquestionably, but a controversial one, so "don't go there" if you're not in the mood...


Entered at Fri Jan 10 04:53:23 CET 2003 from aca53f3e.ipt.aol.com (172.165.63.62)

Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: still Columbia but I'll be in New Orleans in a couple of weeks!

Subject: Lars

Lars - What a great story!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 04:33:33 CET 2003 from aca53f3e.ipt.aol.com (172.165.63.62)

Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Salami

BWNWITennessee - Did you actually order a salami sandwich with lettuce and tomato? Next thing you will be telling us is that you asked for mayo!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 03:36:53 CET 2003 from 148.19.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.19.148)

Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Fire Down Below!

Lovin' this FIRE DOWN BELOW stuff. I'm probably as big a fan as Mr. Helm has, but what an absurd movie. Of course, Levon is not to blame (to put it mildly). Speaking of which, I posted awhile back that Steven Seagal's newest movie is called HALF PAST DEAD.... Can't be a coincidence. I think there was a Band song that had that phrase among its lyrics....


Entered at Fri Jan 10 03:31:33 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-030ilchicp0134.dialsprint.net (65.178.178.134)

Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Bobby Charles

Earlier this week Kalervo asked for comments on Bobby Charles. He's one of my favorite discoveries through the GB The Bearsville album was my most frequent Saturday morning music for a long time, and I listened to the first six songs on the treadmill today. It's all perhaps a little too laid-back to be treadmill music, but the melodies all have an easy swing, the backing cooks in an unhurried way (a simmer, perhaps?) and Bobby's singing is so easy and natural, with just a trace of smoke in the sound. I'd been giving the album a rest for a while until I played it today, and was reminded again how much I love the vocal and the piano in Must Be In A Good Place Now. Does anyone know who's playing the piano there? It's not flashy or spectacular, but the phrasing and rubato on the repetitive parts just resonate so well for me.

Some time ago Donald Joseph and I discussed the sexism in the lyrics on the Bearsville album, and they are still there, and still give me pause when I think of urging some of my female friends to give it a listen, but I just sort of ignore all that when I'm listening and get carried away by the sound. The lyrics present the character of a self-centered charmer who can't hold a job or stick to any thing or any place too long. A woman would be a fool to change her life for him, or have a child by him, but could probably have a lot of fun for a little while.

I have two other Bobby Charles cds -Wish You Were Here Right Now and Secrets of the Heart. They are from Stony Plain Records in Canada, and I think I bought them through CDNow. My Bearsville cd is from Castle Music in England and has 4 bonus tracks, although I usually like to end play with "Tennessee Blues", I think I bought that one on ebay . Secrets of the Heart has an interview with Bobby; it's a joy to hear that soft Louisiana drawl. Many of the songs continue that lyric theme of unhealthy relationships (The Jealous Kind) but there's also a lovely little ditty about his puppy, and my favorite title "Ambushin' Bastard".


Entered at Fri Jan 10 03:31:31 CET 2003 from 148.19.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.19.148)

Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Viney on Cash

Peter -- Great review of the newest Johnny Cash. Makes me want to check it out, and I will. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 03:08:58 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Rob Ferri

Gosh, I love this music. I watch the Last Waltz over and over. My wife thinks I've gone off the deep end, she does not get it. My children do, that's cool.


Entered at Fri Jan 10 02:05:15 CET 2003 from host-216-76-148-13.bna.bellsouth.net (216.76.148.13)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

And speaking of greasy New York specialties, Tommy Mottola, also known as the former Mr. Mariah Carey and, coincidentally, Satan, at least according to Michael Jackson, has resigned as CEO of Sony Music to start his own label (or perhaps star in The Sopranos). Hey, maybe he can sign the BarnBurners!


Entered at Fri Jan 10 01:55:17 CET 2003 from host-209-214-119-113.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.113)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

An interesting point in Sam's pizza link - who here eats their pizza folded lengthwise down the middle? The article tries to claim that it is a myth that New Yorkers eat it this way, although this is erroneous. When I moved to New Jersey as a kid, I thought it was strange that people ate pizza like that, but eventually began to do it myself. Since I was a kid, I didn't realize it was a New York/New Jersey thing. But I think it's done that way because a real New York pizza slice is so large, and thin, and greasy, that if you don't fold it, the end just flops down like Bob Dole's member circa 1995.

I heard about some pizza place in Hoboken that had a small gap between the counter and front window, where a whole pizza accidentally fell one time, and stayed there for about three years since it was unretrievable.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 23:40:22 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Fire Down Below Redux

Since Levon had played with Mark Collie prior to filming the movie, I also wonder if he contributed on Mark's song "Fire Down Below"?

In a strange twist -- Levon played Loretta Lynn's father in "Coal Miners Daughter". Loretta's real-life twin daughters, Patsy & Peggy, not only contributed a song, "Woman To Woman", to the "Fire Down Below" soundtrack, but also had acting roles as the shop owners in the film. So, in his role, Levon acted along with daughters of the coal miner's daughter.

Peter: I'm afraid the "completism" you mentioned is sometimes carried to new levels. I often find myself purchasing additional copies of hard-to-find LPs, that I already have, when I run across others, sealed or in decent shape, in used record stores. Just before Christmas I found a really clean copy of King Biscuit Boy's "Official Music" to replace my well-worn original & back-up copies. This week I sadly found out, through the guestbook, that Richard Newell passed away over the holidays. Now that extra album copy has hardly left my turntable.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 23:13:24 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Peter V: You're right about the Cash CD being moving - it moved me out of the record store faster than I would have otherwise. As for completism, I too used to collect every recorded burp and fart - and had almost all of it at one point. I eventually dumped most of it, including even some of the Band LPs, because 1) I wasn't listening to all the stuff I had, and 2) I needed the $ for travel. All in all I did the right thing, though I occasionally regret the absence of something (say the Woody Guthrie tribute concert) - especially when I read a description of the event and would like to listen along. But completism is so damned expensive now, with CDs costing so much more than LPs, and all those vanity CDs that people guest on, and all those bonus tracks being dug out of archives. I don't think I'd do it again to such a degree even if I could afford it!


Entered at Thu Jan 9 23:07:05 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny
Web: My link

Check out the above link.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 22:57:01 CET 2003 from du-tele3-013.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.13)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Johnny Cash: The Man Comes Around

Johnny Cash – “The Man Comes Around” is truly addictive. The first time you hear him doing “Bridge Over Troubled Water” or “In My Life” the initial reaction is ‘this is AWFUL’ but then you persist and it’s hugely powerful. There are so many weird moments, like the way he finishes ‘Give my Love to Rose’ and the end sounds so similar to ‘Boy Named Sue’ that you expect him to say ‘Sue … Mary … Anne … anything but Rose!” … but he doesn’t of course. His version of the wartime Vera Lynn classic “We’ll Meet again” is stunning. “The Man Comes Around” is simply terrifying. Then in “I Hung My Head” you’re in pastiche ‘Don’t take Your Guns to Town” territory, and it’s hovering around so bad it’s good … but then it lands squarely on brilliant. (Though almost every song where the singer gets addressed as “Jim” or “Jed” or whatever sounds fake.) ‘Streets of Laredo’ – another classic. He even makes ‘First Time Ever I Saw Your Face’ work but I have no idea how- any single line you tried to analyse would be full of holes … but the result is still so moving. If you’ve dallied with it, persist! Cheering it isn’t. The Dark Angel is definitely looming over his shoulder throughout, but that gives it its strength.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 22:35:16 CET 2003 from du-tele3-144.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.144)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Keep the info coming …

Thanks Bones and David for the latest question which I’ve added to the draft for the revised version. I don’t have an answer though!

There’s a thing about completism. A few years ago, I hoped to find everything The Band members had ever recorded, but I gave up. I thought that somewhere among all those sessions there’d be a sublime moment like the drums on ‘The Weight.’ Then you’d get that sought after CD with (e.g.) Levon on drums on one track and if you hadn’t got the sleeve notes you wouldn’t have known which one it was. I’d swear that no one has it all (though I can think of several who are still trying). I’m sure that none of the Band members has all their own work or even anything approaching all of it. In my own narrow field, I used to be hugely completist about my own stuff but I even failed there. You do an interview, or a short piece, or you give a permission and you may or may not be paid, but you say “Send me a copy when it’s out.” People never fail to promise this faithfully and enthusiastically, but then most forget (or lie / don’t bother!). I’d guess that there were so many odd sit ins that none of them would remember. An archivist like Bill Wyman is a rarity in any band. I think all we can do is note what we can on this site, and hopefully add more information on these “unsubstantiated sessions.” I’d hope that some would become “substantiated” and move over to the main discography, and that other rumoured ones could be finally squashed. But we’ll never know them all.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 21:31:27 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Fire Down Below

Following up on Bones' post -- I've always wondered if Levon specifically played on "Fire In The Hole", the Marty Grebb & Daniel Moore song from the soundtrack. Levon has other connections with both of these musicians.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 21:06:08 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Peter Viney: I've been told that Levon plays on the soundtrack to Fire Down Below. It makes sense, for he co-wrote one of the songs in the movie and briefly toured with some of these musicians after the movie was released. However, his name is not on the soundtrack. Unfortunately, it does not list the musicians. I've always wanted to know which song(s) he played on?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Curious - Cousin Paul

What do you mean when you say, "Do you know who Jackson Browne is, or is it a CANADIAN thing?" I don't understand that. Just wondering.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 20:01:35 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Thanks for the Dylan responses. The trouble with a Nov '65 release of the Window 45 is that Krogsgaard has that version recorded on November 30. He has the Oct 5 version on Biograph (only). Murky.

Talking discographies, those of you who were interested in the various budget reissues of the Band material from the Hawkins 60th birthday bash might care to know that the "Revin' It Up" CD (ITEM # 60472) is available as part of a horrid three-CD boxed titled "Driving Rock". The other two CDs in the set are "Full Speed Ahead" and "Fine Tuning". All say "Hot Rod Rock" on the spine. No other Band-related stuff on the other two - just 'original artists' rehashing their 'original hits'.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

My bulldog caught a rabbit, and my hound-dog's sittin on a barbed wire fence.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Barbed-Wire Fence

BILL: “Sitting On a Barbed-Wire Fence” is a frequently bootlegged “Highway 61 Revisited” outtake that actually showed up on the legitimate “Genuine Bootleg Series: Vols. I-III” box set. Band included Mike Bloomfield, Harvey Brooks, Paul Griffin, Bobby Gregg (who filled the Hawks drum seat behind Dylan in the brief period between Levon and Mickey Jones), and Al Kooper.


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: Barbed Wire Fence etc.

Bill,

In answer to your question, the song is "Barbed Wire Fence" and appears on the Columbia release, "The Bootleg Series Vol. 1-3." The version of "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window" was released as a single and was recorded with The Hawks, and more than likely in October since I remember the single appearing in November of that year. The same version was eventually released on "Biograph." There are other versions of "Crawl Out Your Window" that were recorded with the session musicians (Bloomfield, Kooper etc.) from "Highway 61 Revisited."

Part of the confusion over this song is that one of the earlier (pre-Hawks) versions appeared on promo singles as "Positively 4th Street," curiously enough after the song was was already released and a hit.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 18:48:03 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Dylan sessions

Bill: Since Sony allowed Michael Krogsgaard access to Columbia's session recording logs & related files, his research is based on the best available sources.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 18:19:56 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

I recently picked up one of those white-cover Dylan boots from the '70s - the kind where the owner has printed the song titles in ink on the cover, along with what I suppose to be educated guesses as to where the stuff came from. One song, titled "Left Elbow Blues" sounds like our guys though is attributed to the Highway 61 musicians. I'm no Dylanologist so have nothing to go on but whatever I can find in the public library or on the internet.

Since I can find no mention of a Dylan song called "Left Elbow Blues", and since there's a line towards the end about sitting on a barb-wire fence, and since Heylin's Shades 2 suggests that "I Wanna Be Your Lover" includes a barb-wire-fence line, I suppose that that's the song on my LP.

Unfortunately, my questions don't end there. Heylin has the song recorded by the Hawks at the same session as the Crawl Out Your Window 45 on October 5-6. However, Krogsgaard has the Oct 6 session cancelled, and the Oct 5 session producing a version of Window that wasn't released until Biograph. He has the official 45 version of Window recorded on November 30 (with our guys except Gregg on drums). Who to trust?


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: little angel

Forty five years? Why that makes his great songs even more countlesser !!


Entered at Thu Jan 9 16:46:58 CET 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp191520.sympatico.ca (64.229.0.155)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I stand corrected again...."who said".....not...."who says".....yikes! Crabgrass!!!!.....Louuuu's degree was in English Literature as well.....Yikes again!

Pizza Facts: About 3,100 years ago, the Egyptians changed their recipe for bread. They added yeast to it. This new bread was softer and tasted better. It was also easier to chew. The first pizzas didn't have much on them. The ancient Greeks and Romans used only a few toppings. They flavoured their crusts with herbs and olive oil. Later they added chopped veges. Tomato sauce came later. Tomatoes themselves originally were grown by Native Americans. There were no tomatoes in Europe until sailors brought back seeds from America in the 1500's. For awhile, though, tomatoes were not very popular. Some people even thought they were poisonous. A recipe for tomato sauce was finally published in Rome in 1705. About 1830, the first true pizzeria opened in Naples. In 1905 Gennaro Lombardi opened the first pizzeria in the United States in New York City. He made cheese pizzas just like the ones he remembered eating at home in Naples.

A decade ago Americans ate an average of 7.5 pizzas per person each year. That's 90 acres of pizza every day....You do the math for a decade later....Anyone? My fave pizza joint in NYC is in Greenwich Village on 12th Street.....Thin crusted of course.....But if I want to eat healthier food at reasonable prices I eat at Ollie's on Upper Broadway.....4.95 specials of the day....Yum!


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Ain't love grand ?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

See why my degree wasn't in English?....."Guest Book".....not....." Guest Booked"....Ooops! Any mention of Louuuuu gets me sooooo excited! Thanks so much!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Ray.....:-D

Crabgrass: I see now why your degree was in English....

Uhhh....Louuuu's first song was recorded when he was 15 years old.....so.....it's really 45 years......Who says only Robbie is bashed in this Guest Booked? Not so!!....;-D


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Poe Pitiful Me

Ray Pence, you are right. I stand corrected. After further consideration I came to the realization that the great songs Lou Reed has recorded over the past twenty five years are countless.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Location: Lard Free London

Subject: stuff

Bayou Sam - Sam, I love that bit in TLW to, I always wait for it, like you say it is effortless and at that moment I wish I was Rick delivering that line, I'm gonna have to go and watch it again now even though it is so burned in to my memory I can see it already!.

Al Edge - Al, I've seen deep fried pizzas in Scottish chippies. Does that mean the further north you go the more of a death wish people have? What does chips in pitta bread count as? Is it a poor man's kebab? I find that it's great for soaking up the ale in the middle of an all dayer!:-o)

P.S. Bring back bread and dripping!


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Posted by:

David Christopher Miedzianik

Location: Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, UK
Web: My link

Subject: I'm Bob Dylan's Best Fan Here In The UK

Well at least I reckon I'm his best fan here for getting his stuff played on the radio. Through the years I've written off to Annie Nightingale, Anna Ford, The Newsreader, Mike Read, Bob Harris, John Peel, Steve Wright, Ken Bruce, and many, many, more others, trying to get his stuff played, etc. It's always been my ambition to get dylan to do a song about me. Just like he's done songs for Lenny Bruce, Joey, Hurricane, etc, etc. As the years go by, the hope of this happening, fades more, and more. So I'm hoping that someone reading this might solve this one for me. Or if dylan sees this message, then that's even better, isn't it? All my info, etc, is on the Internet. Try: http://www.google.com/ And then type miedzianik in, and then click on SEARCH Once again see what you can do dylan, or someone that knows him, or whatever? LOVE you all: David C. Miedzianik Say..Med-Gen-Nick. My E-Mail Addresses: rainmanhallelujah@hotmail.com davidmiedzianik1@activemail.co.uk


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Mason Dixon Line - British equivalent

Pete - cough, splutter, wheeeze, coronary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeez Pete - what you tryin to do to my poor over-sensitised palate and cholesterol levels. Lard. LARD for chrissakes!!! That is Yorkshire and Cumbria man. That's why they all look like as if they're Yankee refugees from Disneyland. Lancs is civilized. Lancs is sophisticated. Vegetable fat or nothing for our fish 'n' chips. You Southern softies down there sure have a lot to learn about us red rose men. Now, of course, our other Scouse delicacy, dripping butties, is a completely different thing altogether. Class. :-o)


Entered at Thu Jan 9 08:36:42 CET 2003 from ottawa-ppp3517202.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.73)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: This Band

These Cat's we talk about were so far out/together that some people can only dream about hanging out with them. If you had the chance you would know what I mean. More fun than a barrel full of Grossman's. I remember many times We wish that the show was all we had to do. Then it was over.Fourteen hours to the next gig. Jackson Browne Put it right. Do you know who Jackson Browne is, or is it a CANADIAN thing?? Anyways, it's getting late and If you will ,use this site to talk about our friends,who left us with such a legacy,and spread the good word about how much they meant to you. With deepest respect, Paul.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 08:05:35 CET 2003 from host-209-214-113-165.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.113.165)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Location: The other America

Peter (Stone Brown) - you were at Noshville! They propose to be a New York deli, but their sandwiches consist of basically a shitload of meat on two slices of bread. I got a hard salami sandwich once, it was about about an inch of salami slices that kept falling out, with mustard, that I think I had to ask for, with no lettuce, tomato, onions - nuthin'. But I thought the knishes and pickles were pretty good, but what do I know. Although the lady who owns it, I guess, is nice/rude in that quintessential New York way. Nashville does have meat and threes, and hot chicken sandwiches, although I haven't been too impressed with them, either, although they sound good in theory.

Why, again, does Levon hate Mickey Hart?

Those Elliot Landy pictures look great.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 06:40:51 CET 2003 from 1cust154.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.154)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Birthdays!!

Happy Birthday to:

Joan Baez (62)
Jimmy Page (59)
Bob Denver (68)
Richard Nixon (dead)


Entered at Thu Jan 9 06:13:44 CET 2003 from (64.208.177.149)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Rick

Nice post, Sam. A breath of fresh air. In that same spirit of remembering Rick, I was at "Cabaloosa's" in New Paltz, NY (approx 25 miles SE of Woodstock) when Rick and Prof. Louie had a show there....at a guess I'd say '97 or '98. That was the first time Rick sang Tom Pacheco's "The Hills of Woodstock." Tom came up to sing it with him. A friend of mine had to hold up the lyrics for Rick, so Rick could play guitar. I got a kick out of the letters on the pages, they were written by hand and about 2" tall. And Rick STILL had to put on his glasses to see the words.

We spent the whole night about three feet from Rick. It was a tiny, smokey dive. Without looking at us, Rick reached over and grabbed us both by the collars for the final song (it was either "The Weight" or "The Shape I'm In") and the three of us shared his mike. There were a half dozen other people up there too, one of whom was only trying to get to the front door for some fresh air.

When Rick was done, he was wet with sweat, yet he took time to shake my hand, give me his guitar pick, which was dropped, then he picked it up and handed it to me again... and he shook my hand AGAIN. I was touched that he would do this for a total stranger like myself. He was showing that big heart of his.

I've still got that pick.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 06:01:13 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Ohhhh baby, that 3/8 show looks AWESOME!!!... Don't miss it you GBers if you can help it... I have no money left right now but... so I'm gonna have to do some scheming straightaway... btw, thanks Cousin Paul, you reminded me of those pizza burgers I used to get as a kid in school cafeteria... and all this talk has helped me make the Garcia/Grisman CD selection... I'm going for thick crust... and Pizza Tapes it is!!!!

Doesn't that Garth-on-the-couch picture look like he's maybe dreaming about doing his own version of Dark Star... 30 years later...


Entered at Thu Jan 9 05:05:45 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: The Band

I love that part in The Last Waltz, during "Up On Cripple Creek", when Rick just effortlessly ambles to his mic and just tears out the line, "I guess I'll call up my big mama, tell her I'll be rolling in" right inperfect sync with Levon. I don't mean just musically - way past that. It's like it's inbred in him to belt that out. He and Levon are so friggin' connected there. Rick belts that out the way it MUST be done - by him - the way he invented it without even trying. That's a thing to love about The band right there, for me.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: various unthoughtout thoughts

J Tull - sorry man - it was insensitive of me to gloat about being in a virtule Pizza Pradise every day. I'll try to be better.

Mullah - I can't imagine life without music. God Bless you - if that's OK.

Cousin Pauly - I thought about thinking before I put my thought's out there. The very thought gives me a headache. But - let not your heart be troubled - we alway's get to Band stuff. if you are a regular you'd know that. The pizza thread has been one of the only threads in Guestbook history that went this long and didn't turn ugly. Although J Tull might get in my face if I don't tune it down a bit :-)

"If manhole covers were Pizza's, the sewers would be a paradise" - Ed Norton.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: TheLast Waltz (continued)

Actually , not really continued,but if anybody wants to see what David Boyle looks like, the driver from my story, he's at this link,standing in the middle on the step, left of Dylan.(No, not the little guy!!!!!!!!)


Entered at Thu Jan 9 04:18:37 CET 2003 from (61.161.216.75)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: Benxi

Subject: Cousin Paul / Regional Cuisine

Cousin Paul: More Rick stories please! No doubt you were at the summer of '99 gig in Niagara Falls, Canada where I saw Rick and Louie perform for the last time. I had a great time.

Fred: Chinese food in China does put the "fast food" North American variety to shame. I've heard Hong Kong is good for food, but I'm quite partial to the Mandarin-style dishes available up here. Peking Duck, Melon Dumplings, and Gulao Rou (Sweet and sour pork with pineapple - the only dish close to anything I've eaten called "Chinese Food" in Canada). Gongbao Jiding (stir-fried chicken with vegetables and peanuts in a tangy sauce) is an awesome tasting Sichuan-style dish that is very polular. I'll be leaving Benxi in the next week to teach at a school in Manzhouli, Inner Mangolia. I'll be sure to report on Russian food when I get there.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 03:52:56 CET 2003 from 1cust35.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.35)

Posted by:

Mullah Omar

... with the possible exception of Steve Earle.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 03:16:45 CET 2003 from mcha-ai171.taconic.net (205.231.28.171)

Posted by:

Lil

Cousin Paul: Nice to "see" you here, even if it was to drop off a recipe for pizza muffins :-) I'd love for you to share some funny stories with all of us, if you'd be so kind. I miss Rick alot, and as you know, his caring and generosity helped me through several difficult times in my life. Thanks for anything you could share. d_lil at hotmail dot com.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Mr H :-)


Entered at Thu Jan 9 03:06:08 CET 2003 from 234.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.234)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Rollie

Thank you for your most recent link, Rollie.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Lou Reed, ravin!

bob, have you flipped your wig-o? What balderdashery! Lou's music will sharpen Poe's talons, no doubt!


Entered at Thu Jan 9 02:57:51 CET 2003 from st-catherines-ppp126468.sympatico.ca (209.226.233.127)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: What's up with this site??

I just had pizza. I would rather talk about the people this websight is about, I will get to that in a minute. Try English muffins cut in half, put on some sauce, your favorite ingredience, put in toaster oven and enjoy! Anyway I thought that I could get a response,any response if I got to the point. Buyau Sam, Get up early one day, hopefully it's a nice beautiful day, take a deep breath and promise yourself you will think before you type. I have been reading this site and some of you people that I know really freak me out. Babbling on about PIZZA? I thought we could hear stories about the road, recordings,and friendship. I can now understand why some of the situations I was lucky enough to be in with my FRIENDS,were never told. Like Rick said' We were here, They can only tell stories about it'. Such small town talk. If you take the road to your left, or the road to your right,someone will get it right. Move on Band fan's. Today is only yesterday's tomorrow. Lot's of LOVE and PEACE, Your Friend, Paul


Entered at Thu Jan 9 02:52:54 CET 2003 from 1cust66.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.66)

Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Web: My link

Subject: Link Correction / Music

Please disregard previous link (you wouldn't like it anyway) and click on correct link above for Guardian article regarding CIA torture of innocent al-Qaida prisoners.

Music is forbidden by the Holy Qur'an according to the teachings of the Taliban.

Allah akbar! God is great!


Entered at Thu Jan 9 02:42:47 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Richie Furay

Just a notice for those who care-Richie Furay, of Buffalo Springfield and Poco, has finally gotten around to having his 3 solo albums from the 1970s released on CD. The 2cd and 3rd Album feature cameos by Jimmy Messina, Chris Hillman, JD Souther, Rusty Young, Randy Miesner and Tim Schmidt. Now if only someone other than that German Lable would release the 2cd SOuther, Hillman and Furay Album.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Bayou Sam

I agree with your last post but would appreciate it if, posting from NY as you do, that you refrain from reciting your culinery pleasures to those of us in pizza-challenged states. Well, I've got better barbecue, grits, and roadkill than you do, so as that great song of 20 years ago went, 'ahhh..shaddup-ah yuh face!'


Entered at Thu Jan 9 01:43:49 CET 2003 from cdm-66-35-245-tyrd.cox-internet.com (66.76.35.245)

Posted by:

John,"the Guitar Master"

Location: THE LONE STAR STATE

Subject: Baba O Riley

I was givin the Who's cd "Masters of the 20th Centruy" it's a best of alblum, I was a little disapointed that the song Baba O Riley(Teenage Wasteland) wasn't on it. Hmm..."I guess I'm old, or the trees are getting younger"- Name that famous Quote. John


Entered at Thu Jan 9 01:18:41 CET 2003 from host81-132-38-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com (81.132.38.222)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: The Band on my tv \ Levon

I'm just watching a film called The War starring Kevin Costner as a Vietnam vet set in Mississippi 1970, there was a scenne in the kitchen with "Up On Cripple Creek" playing on the radio, cool.

Butch, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the sessions you mentioned earlier and I wish Levon all the best.


Entered at Thu Jan 9 01:12:50 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Editorial

Jeez, I wonder what Rosalind would say here ...



Entered at Thu Jan 9 00:16:45 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I don't hink anyone want's to see Levon fall - do they?

Richard - postin' a lot yourself bud - still haven't answered.

rollie = STOP!

Mullah - are you interested in music?

I had pizza today for lunch. I dunno, I just had an urge for it for some reason.

[wipeout1960 at yahoo dotcom]


Entered at Wed Jan 8 23:35:32 CET 2003 from 1cust139.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.139)

Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: Whoknowswhere
Web: My link

Subject: CIA Torture Tactics

I am glad to see that at least one poster had the very good sense to bring up America's War Against Islam - thank you! The above link will take you to a recent article in The Guardian concerning the torture of innocent al-Qaida prisoners by the CIA.

Allah akbar!


Entered at Wed Jan 8 22:59:07 CET 2003 from dial2a-72.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.72)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Music not religion

Hey that sounds great Levon recording with the Dixie Hummingbirds. I've been collecting black gospel from the 40's to the 60's for the last 10 or 15 years and have hundreds of great mostly overlooked tunes. The Dixie Hummingbirds are one of the best with the great Ira Tucker on lead since 1939! They still sound great too. On the net WFMU has an excellent show "Sinner's Crossroads"..a good intro to it in book form is Anthony Heilbut's The Gospel Sound, good news and bad times.

The Colony where Garth and Maude are booked in March is a great place. It's more like a coffee house than a bar though....only has added beer and wine recently. They have a grand piano that Garth has stopped in and played.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 22:39:02 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-017castocp0067.dialsprint.net (63.187.168.67)

Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: US 911 Victim Families Hold Vigil in Baghdad


Entered at Wed Jan 8 22:04:31 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: The Great Grand Coulee Dam

Subject: Music and Pizza and Poe

I'm still playing catch-up after a vacation and the holidays, but it's good to see that this guestbook is still more interesting than any other place on the web.

It's nice to see that Levon will be working with the Dixie Hummingbirds. I didn't know they were still around, but I remember them performing with Paul Simon years ago in concert and on "Love Me Like a Rock."

It's also nice to see the conversation here back to music (with a little pizza tossed in) and away from the politics and religion that took over for a while. I bailed out around the time one poster was rambling on about the wonders of Jesus one day and then pushing drug use the next. I prefer music, pizza and reality myself.

I've been known to keep one of those boxes of Chef Boyardee pizza kits around instead of resorting to the frozen stuff.

On the Poe question, I always said that Jim Morrison was the Poe of rock'n'roll, but it will be interesting to see what Lou Reed will do with "The Raven." I could imagine Robbie doing some great spoken-word recordings of great Native American stories or literary classics with his wonderful voice as well.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 21:41:40 CET 2003 from du-tele3-160.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.160)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Correction

John W: Quite right. track 2. Correction made!

Al: Fish & chips. As a Bournemouth lad, I was accosted in Hull, Leeds and all points north to tell me how superior northern chips were. I loathed them because they were cooked in lard, whereas down here they were always cooked in oil. Guess it's what you grow up with. The drummer of my teenage 'garage band' was the son of chippie owners- but seriously oil only. I suspect lard is classical, while oil is a later innovation, but it makes for s crisper chip. These things are important.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 21:37:38 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Butch: Thanks so much for the Levon recording update. The Dixie Hummingbird session sounds great. Please let us know how it goes. Also, what about a barnburners cd? Any more talk in this regard, or is Levon content with the BBs as being strictly a "live" act. I mentioned earlier about the TELARC label being a possibility.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 21:05:20 CET 2003 from host219.olysteel.com (63.91.50.219)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Who said chivalry is dead?


Entered at Wed Jan 8 20:53:29 CET 2003 from 1cust154.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.154)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "would have went"

Reminds me of this kid next door who was a finicky eater and once told his mother - "I ain't never ate it and I ain't never am!"


Entered at Wed Jan 8 20:15:59 CET 2003 from host219.olysteel.com (63.91.50.219)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: "Raven" Maniac

If Poe could have chosen anyone to add "new words" and music to his classic "The Raven" I'm betting it would have been Lou Reed. Personally, I would have went with Al "Grandpa" Lewis. The words may not have been as good but the music would certainly have stood a better chance.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 19:54:25 CET 2003 from 1cust154.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.154)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Right on!! Where are Joe McCarthy and HUAC when we really need them?


Entered at Wed Jan 8 19:45:17 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Mr. Viney - Did you say "Java Blues" is not on the "Souvenir" CD? Sure it is!


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: Pizza and other regional items

BWNWITennessee, Your comments about pizza in Nashville reminded me of when I was in Nashville and someone took me to what was supposed to be a NYC-style deli, where I tried to get a very NY kind of sandwich, namely a corned beef special. They didn't know what it was.

I don't think you can get decent pizza below the Mason-Dixon Line. Maybe in Baltimore, but that's it.

When I was in Austin, Texas, you couldn't get good pizza or Chinese food either, and you cannot get a cheesteak anywhere but in Philadelphia.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 18:44:38 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Jeff

Location: Brooklyn

Butch, I just checked in and saw your post. I have not bothered scrolling back far enough to find the posts that you are referring to, but I do not doubt there are some ridiculous posts to that effect. I will hastily comment on the subject. While free speech is the foundation of the United States, in which I live, and where most of the rhetoric that can be construed as anti Levon comes from, and I will now point out that we are all right now global guests of Norway, I must say that having negative feelings towards or about Levon strikes me as un American, and unmusical.

Levon is pure music, a good friend when you need one, and he ain't gonna kick a man when he's down. No one sounds like Levon Helm, and no one ever will.

Levon could play the spoons on a sardine can, and it would sound great.

Detractors are just people with nothing better to do than be negative. Unfortunately is easier for be people to take cheap shots than to be creative. Levon will still sound great while they are busting balls. Take care, talk to you soon.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pizzeria Schmizzeria

Must say I've found many of these UK pizza tales a bit too half-baked for my taste. As anyone in the UK with even a smattering of appreciation of these things knows a pizza is nothing more than the fish'n'chips for the upper crust. Deep pan my arse. Long live deep fat Mars Bars for the proletariat!!

:-o)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Little Bear

Yes Mr. Grossman's Chinese Restaurant is "The Little Bear."


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: the music

Since so many of you seem to be SOOOOOO concerned about Levon's career, i figure ill update ya'll,,,,

He ( we ) are heading down to S. Jersey to record with The Dixie Hummingbirds ( gospel blues ),,,,,,,,,,

Larry Campbell is producing & Tony Garnier is on the Doghouse Bass ( both from dylan's band ),,,,,

& Garth might be on some Hammond B-3,,,

so,,, all of these world class players wanted Levon & only Levon,,, for HIS sound,,,,,,,,i guess he aint goin backwards, or standing still,,,

Upward & Onward,,,,

oh, & thanks soooo much for your "concern",,,,, Levon's doin FINE !!!!!

ill report on the sessions for those that really care,,, & not just the ones that wanna see him fall,,,,,


Entered at Wed Jan 8 17:45:06 CET 2003 from wwwcache4.uce.ac.uk (193.60.131.9)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Rummagem, UK

Subject: Woodstock

Lifeboy, I was similarly disappointed to find the Woodstock DVD didn't have the Band on. It must be somehow commercially available. I saw Woodstock on Asian MTV once and The Band's set was featured.

BTW - my email address: roger.woodsatuce.ac.uk - make the change.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Speaking of Chinese Food and Albert Grossman...

There is an actual connection between The Band and Chinese food, of course (besides "Shootout in Chinatown") in that their manager and Bearsville Studios owner Albert Grossman owned a fine Chinese restaurant that was part of his compound. I ate there a couple of times back in the early 1980s and once saw Mr. Grossman sitting there eating. Was the place called the Little Bear or was that something else? Is it still there?


Entered at Wed Jan 8 17:34:56 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Wittgenstein: Your Little Italy story is cosmic for sure, but I suspect that the gods were trying to steer you away from fattening foods rather than reminding you about your favourite group.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Oh Canada

After the news around Christmas (or is it Xmas in my diabolical attempt to offend Christians?) that 5 terrorists had entered the US across the Canadian border, I'd like to personally thank all the Canadians on the site. The FBI announced it was all a hoax, restoring my confidence in Canada's ability to patrol the US's border.

Peter Viney's newest article meets his usual high standards and is really an enjoyable read. Are we sure it's the boys on that Moulty song on Nuggets? I think I hear Rick in the choruses.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 16:53:13 CET 2003 from du-tele3-173.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.173)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Woodstock: Lost Performances

Lifeboy- what you saw was “Woodstock: The Lost Performances” I suspect. The details are on the site- The Weight opens it then it’s Joe Cocker on “Let’s Go Get stoned” – it also includes Blood Sweat & Tears (More & More) who also asked for too much money to be in the movie (More & More). I’ve seen this video with about three different sleeves over the years.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: The Band at Woodstock\pizza's\Southern Comfort

Does anyone know if at any point it was possible to purchase the Woodstock movie with The Band included? I have just purchased the dvd (directors cut) and it does not include them, it does include Janis though and apparently Grossman made the same ruling for her as he did The Band and Blood Sweat And Tears. The dvd I've bought does not contain Johnny Winter either but I remember watching a version that a friend of mine taped from the tv and he was in it and so were The Band, I have a vivid memory of Levon singing "The Weight" in a stetson at night and it was when I watched this version at my friend's house. It seems daft that they've added 40 minutes to the movie and in these days of extra features etc they have not included The Band.I'm still glad I purchased it though. Santana have never done anything for me but "Soul Sacrifice" is great in this movie with one of the few drum solos that don't make me want to snooze.

Peter, the yorkshire pud\pizza analogy made me chuckle, do you think Pompei pizza was overcooked? And on the subject of tandoori pizza:I remember a couple of Xmas's ago after a night out on the beer my friend and I went back to his place to carry on boozing and decided to order a pizza, the only place open was the local indian takeaway who also did pizza delivery, so like all English men after a beer we wanted something hot so we ordered the chef's special and it was called a "Tandoori Night" which consisted of tandoori chicken and loads of jalepinos on a pizza base. We were so mashed that it tasted great, the next day is another story, suffice to say it was a rather "Tandoori Morning"!

Southern Comfort makes me ill, it is akin to drinking a pint of bleach with a raw onion.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: The Witt Strikes Again!!!!


Entered at Wed Jan 8 16:05:32 CET 2003 from on-tor-unv-ap3-24-9.look.ca (216.154.32.152)

Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto's Little Italy

The other day I was sitting in my car enjoying a pizza slice (tomato, artichoke, and feta) and 'The Weight' came on the radio! Coincidence? I think not.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 13:53:20 CET 2003 from du-tele3-134.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.134)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Thanks / Southern Comfort

Thanks Bill and Sam- comments already added to my draft for revision. I'd forgotten the "Masked Albert orchestra" on Pussycats- I'd thought of the name Albert as a typical bit of Lennon whimsy (we like names like that- see Paul's "Uncle Albert", Albert Steptoe, Albert Tatlock from Coronation Street ) and hadn't thought of Mr Grossman, who they could have been masking themselves from.

Nancy, I'd blame Southern Comfort which was responsible for the two worst hangovers I ever had. Haven't touched it since 1978. There are certain drinks that guarantee a hangover and Southern Comfort is a leader in the field.

Pizza is too good a topic. The Pizza Express chain in the UK has been called the "Middle Class McDonalds" because it is child-friendly and offers a "respectable" (though not astonishing by Italian standards) thin-crust pizza. As they are located near theatres, they are often the most reliable source of a waiter-service meal (with wine) when in a strange town. Many have live jazz once or twice a week too. I had a long chat about how UK touring musicians have graduated from truck stops in the 60s to Chinese / Indian restaurants in the 70s to Pizza Express in the 90s (they're always near theatres). Peter Boizot, the guy who started the chain in 1965 has written serious books on pizza. He says the popularity of pizza in the USA was enhanced by Enrico Caruso who said the secret of his power and passion was a diet of pizza (who said there's no musical connection here). He also agrees that the two centres of excellence are Naples and New York. The basic form of the pizza it seems can be traced back to Pompeii (just up the road from Naples). The tomato sauce would be 19th century, and became popular in both Italy and the USA, though not in the UK where the tomato was believed to cause gout and cancer. The Margherita story comes from 1889, but the first occurence of the word pizza in English is 1878. He quotes the "Gourmet's Guide to Europe" in 1901 which dismisses pizza as "a kind of Yorkshire Pudding eaten with either cheese or anchovies and tomatoes, flavoured with thyme". The first American pizzaria was in NYC in 1895.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 11:33:31 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Richard: At least you've got Chinese food galore! Although I've been told several times that for real good Chinese food it's best to go to Hong Kong because of the competition amongst restaurants there (can't say that it's true or not as I've never been to Hong Kong)

Nancy: Southern Comfort or McCain's pizza...don't know which I dislike more...it's a tossup....literally!!


Entered at Wed Jan 8 10:59:54 CET 2003 from i010-010.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.10.10)

Posted by:

Nancy

Fred: I also got sick about the same time you did in 1975. It was the first time I ever drank any Southern Comfort, and unlike your pizza experience, it WAS the drink that made me sick, but like you I never touched the stuff again (just to be on the safe side).

Sure hope there are no McCain's exec's watching these slanderous posts:)


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Benxi

Subject: Pizza

Fred: Pizza in China probably makes Japan look good. Nuff said...


Entered at Wed Jan 8 08:39:33 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: McCain's Pizza

The first time I ever ate a McCain's frozen pizza was back in the late spring of 1975. Later that night I was sick as a dog....although it wasn't caused by the pizza. Still, haven't eaten a McCain's frozen pizza since. Better safe than sorry!

BWNWITenn: re: lack of good pizzas in Nashville....I feel your pain


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: forgot this before

Bob Wigo - Yes! I do love the way Slowhand ends that solo. The whole song just has, in musical terms, BALLS!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Having grown up in Joisey, I have yet to find any decent pizza in Nashville. Or Mexican. Calzones - fughetabowdit. All in all, I've been pretty dissapointed in the culinary scene down here. The sad thing is that people talk about pizza places down here that are supposed to be really good, and they suck. Maybe Sam or Crabgrass can mail me a frozen one. But someone told me about some Nashvillians who went to New York and wanted to try some New York pizza, since they had heard so much about it. When they came back, they said that they didn't see what the big deal was, it wasn't any better than what you can get down here. When asked where they got it from, they said, "Pizza Hut." Morons and idiots, to coin a phrase.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 04:54:26 CET 2003 from 1cust95.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.95)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Jethro Tull Site

The Jethro Tull site is a pretty good model of how NOT to build a website though I must admit that making the Home Page resemble the unartistic utilitarian CNN Homepage is pretty clever.

And the JT Guestbook is a good example of how NOT to construct a Guestbook - use threads - which eliminates the free flow and cross-pollination of ideas, makes impossible the living room conversation feeling and sense of community (and sense of humor) which we experience here in The Band GB, inhibits the poster from touching on more than one subject, and limits the number of potential readers of any given post.

Plus, why the Hell would I want to discuss Jethro Tull anyway???

[And btw, I didn't happen to notice any threads on the blues, jazz, Joni, Osama, Hubert Sumlin, drumming, etc. -- and there for sure wasn't one on "pizza" either.]

What we have here is unique and I hope it stays that way. (Click the link above and see if you don't agree.)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: this wonderful guestbook

Brien = BINGO! Those last two sentences of your post say it all.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: Web Sites

"Yes" has a pretty elaborate web site. Once you finally get to the GB equivalent, it's quite huge. It is threaded. Interesting stuff, lots of info and supposedly the band members watch what's going on. It's worth checking out just to see how other successful band web sites operate. But I can tell you this.., It doesn't have that warm comfy, cozy, family around the fireplace feel that this place does. Jan, you'll always be Number 1!


Entered at Wed Jan 8 03:47:50 CET 2003 from 1cust4.tnt4.fredericksburg.va.da.uu.net (67.201.50.4)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Spelling

Bob Dylan couldn't even spell Richard Manuel's last name correctly when he wrote the liner notes for the "Planet Waves" album (he'd only known him about ten years at that point), so don't feel bad if you can't spell well, JTull Fan...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Jethro Tull chatroom/GB

The new Jethro Tull GB/chatroom is up and running and after 1 day has 143 new posts already, so that is awesome. Of interest out here is the threaded topic setup. Annoying at first but it could grow on me. I'll reserve judgement. You all may find it worth checking out for evaluation purposes. You will have to register. And if you want to find me out there, I am 'BandFan'. One great feature I would love to see out here is a GB spellcheck, which the Tull site uses to grate effekt four me.


Entered at Wed Jan 8 02:57:45 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Peter: Great work on the newest article. I'd add Konikoff - to Szelest - as a link between our guys and Grinder's Switch. And, FYI, playing on SOME of PPM's Album 1700, specifically "I Dig ..." were Denny Gerrard and Skip Prokop, both then of the Grossman-managed Paupers. Prokop would go on to the "Live Adventures of" session, and Gerrard would pop up later in Bearsville for the LP done by the group Jericho. (Garth is thanked on the sleeve for use of equipment.) Finally, though I've never heard of the Band backing either Lightfoot or Corey Hart, both of those guys, along with Richard Manuel and a billion others appeared on "Tears Are Not Enough". And one Lightfoot LP from his Grossman days - "Sunday Concert" shows Gord, Albert and Ronnie Hawkins walking through the snow together. Another shows Gord and Albert in the studio with the former singer of the Paupers, who was by then an assistant engineer. I'd guess that our guys would've shown up at a conveniently located studio to see Lightfoot and Hawkins, but playing on a record would be another thing entirely.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Peter = nice addition to the site by you. It was interesting reading thorugh all those rumoured recordings and such......I haven't thought about the "Pussycats" album in years. Being an insane Beatles fan, I got it years ago for the John Lennon connection - plus, the LP cover is so amusing. I went to an old book written in 1975 called "All Together Now" (you probably have it), which was the first real good beatles discography book. it lists Beatles songs as well as their work on other peoples records from the earliest stuff with Tony Sheridan to that year, '75. Anyway, I looked at the songs from Pussycats, and the one interesting credit is for someone(s) called the "Masked Albert Orchestra". I wonder if that could be our boys. This album was done during Lennon's "lost weekend" when Yoko threw him out and he spent a year and a half raising hell with the likes of Ringo, Nilsson, Moon, an anyone else who wanted to drink. If The Band was out in Cal. then, it would seem like a scence that would have attracted them. This was also not too long after the "Ringo" album which The Band guys were involved in.....I've heard a rumour that McCartney and Lennon ended up in a recording studio during this time. A very exciting rumour, but I don't know if it's true.

I saw C-5 Records mentioned in Peter's notes. I've been trying to see if I can find a CD that came out on that label in 1995. It's called "Suntide Desert Jam 1973" - and it's by Jody Reynolds, Jimmy Bryant, and Les Paul. I even found a C5 e-mail address and sent them an e-mail asking if they I could get a copy from them. I got back a very short e-mail a few days later saying "no, sorry". If any of you English cats who peruse the record store ever see that CD, I would be so thrilled to get it I'd bring all the New York pizza's you could eat over to you :-)....is C5 a big label? maybe you guys over there see the stuff all the time - I don't know.

hey - the pizza thread's been great. It's making me hungry though.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 23:47:14 CET 2003 from i010-010.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.10.10)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: McCain's Pizzas

Bill: those McCain's frozen pizzas are SO bad even my hollow legged hungry teenagers won't touch them.

Now that's what you can call "bad".


Entered at Tue Jan 7 23:44:43 CET 2003 from (64.208.194.212)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: No pizza

This pizza thread may have been started by me (I hope not) when I mentioned that I sometimes sneak food into certain venues to watch a show. I'm going through a lot of guilt right now. I don't think I ever actually snuck pizza into Joyous Lake, I was just making that up. The pretzel part is....true.

So in order to switch subjects, when you eat corn on the cob do you chew horizontally (the "typewriter" method) or do you rotate the cob and eat as you roll, then move onto the next section (the "over the top" method). Another revealing trait is do you set up your toilet paper on it's spool with the paper hanging down the outside of the roll, or the inside?

Why is Randy Ciarlante's local union number lower than Garth's? Garth should be down there with Levon in the double digits. Why did the Band eat their popcorn with NO HYDROGENATED OIL? Why wouldn't they drink from styrofoam cups? What the HELL did they need with 12 full bottles of "Ruby Red" Ocean Spray juice. Why did the Band prefer Pizza Hut "thin crust" cheese pizzas (4 of them per show)? Why did TWO have to have plain cheese only, one a veggie pizza, and WHO THE HELL eats a sausage pizza with double cheese, with black olives?

Ah, what the hell....I don't want to know. I'd just as soon talk about the music.


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: A.P.[Al Pierce I Think?] Former Road Manager

A.P. I would love to here from you. Moose Malone and myself missed you at Healey's in Toronto. Phone me before you guy's come to Canada.Alot less hassles!!!!! cousinpaul@symptico.ca Hope to here from you soon. Peace and love, Paul.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown (God Of Hellfire)

brought fire, of course.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Origins

Flat breads served with toppings of regional foodstuffs go back many centuries prior to the 1800's. You would have an easier time finding the name of the guy who discovered fire.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 22:32:42 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Wow, things are getting, like, TOO quiet around here! To bring back the spirit of the old GB, let me say, the ONLY good pizza is Neapolitan, or "regular," style. Those heathens who like Sicilian style are subversive, lily-livered, dishonest losers. The only thing worse than a Sicilian-pizza lover is a frozen-pizza lover! "Real Americans" go for REGULAR!


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: west of Gary, Indiana

Subject: Pizza

Bayou Sam, who told you pizza came from America?

First of all, February 9th is International Pizza Day. So get ready.

Pizza, or flat bread, was made and sold from open-air stands and street vendors in Napoli. In the 1830's the world's first pizzeria, Antica Pizzeria Port' Alba, opened in Napoli and is still in business today at Via Port Alba 18. At that time, pizza had little if anything on it. In the 1880’s Queen Magherita and her King husband, Umberto, decided to mix it up with Napolitano peasants in the street and came across fresh baked flat bread, pizza, which had little if anything on it. She loved it. She brought a baker, Rafaele Esposito, to her palace and asked him to create different kinds of pizza for her. He produced one with tomato, mozzarella cheese, tomato, and basil which symbolized the colors of the relatively new flag of the Italian republic: red, white and green. (Once again, we see the importance of flags and that even food is inseparable from politics!) To this day in Italy and elsewhere the cheese, tomato and basil pizza is called and seen on menus as “pizza magherita”.

Southern Italian immigrants brought pizza to North America (as far as the east-west thing is concerned, Toronto has a huge Italian population and therefore, good pizza), but it was not until WWII that soldiers returning from Italy gave pizza a real boost and American pizzerias started opening up outside of Italian neighborhoods and kitchens. The first pizzeria to open in the U.S. was in 1905, Lombardi’s at 53 1/3 Spring Street (it reopened at 32 Spring Street), New York City.

By the way, that Queen Magherita was quite the woman. She loved bicyles and in 1895 or so Eduardo Bianchi (his company is still around) invented the "ladies", or what is now called the "step through", bicyle for her. I do not know if Maggie ate pizza and rode her bike at the same time. I do.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 22:05:57 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-02-10.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.121)

Posted by:

Daver the Phone Guy

Subject: Woodlark's dog

IIkka,

Please leash that mutt.That dog of yours is running wild again.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 22:04:54 CET 2003 from ric-sn-oprx-pxy2.firstunion.com (169.200.215.36)

Posted by:

Bones

I just received the Mark Fromm cd "What Can I Give For Christmas" with Rick Danko guesting on the title track. Mark is very quick in sending these orders out, and 30% of the proceeds of the cd go to a charity which you can choose on his website.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 21:38:12 CET 2003 from dial2a-47.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.47)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: John Gershen

Peter Viney's recent John Gershen quote about the Band from the Van book is indeed intriguing. It shouldn't be too hard to contact him to clarify it...Peter Stone Brown are you looking in?


Entered at Tue Jan 7 21:17:44 CET 2003 from (63.65.190.196)

Posted by:

Knocking Lost John

Subject: X-mas

Interesting note on the Xmas thing from bob Wigo. I'm sure he's probably right, but it reminded me of a funny story. Once, I sent a Christmas card to a friend (who happened to be VERY Christian) and put "Merry X-mas" and he told me later that he was offended because the "X" "maked out Christ's name". I did not know the origin of the X until I just read Wigo's post, so I simply apologized. Anyway, it's been a while since I've been here but my life is good and I'm quite happy and I hope everyone had a great holiday season regardless of demonination. Later John


Entered at Tue Jan 7 20:53:16 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Bayou Sam: Maybe pizza was brought back to Italy by Christopher Columbus? Pizza is so international that it has a place in my favourite example of globalisation - the time I saw a McCain's frozen pizza, made in Australia, in a supermarket in Jeddah. Imagine, expatriates of various sorts in an American store in Saudi Arabia buying Italian food that had been made in Australia by a Canadian company. (Band link: we rented "The Last Waltz" on VHS at the same plaza.)


Entered at Tue Jan 7 20:48:00 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I find that Salon article pretty dubious on a lot of matters, but it's nice to see somebody else still remembers the release of "Dylan". Never again!


Entered at Tue Jan 7 20:15:23 CET 2003 from oshst-130.olysteel.com (63.91.50.130)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: BUABS

Sam, don't you love the way Clapton ends that guitar solo?


Entered at Tue Jan 7 20:01:52 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Fred's Japanese pizza sounds an awful (and I do mean awful) lot like the species served throughout New Zealand circa 1981. The specific memory is watching one being prepared in a pot in a new acquaintance's home. I can still see the can of spaghetti sauce being dumped in, followed by an egg. Of course they ate canned spaghetti sandwiches there too ...

As for the movie "Two Weeks Notice", I strongly advise keeping the money in your pocket; if you feel you must have the music, wait for the soundtrack.

As for the very thorough King Biscuit bio linked to the what's new page, I'll add (subtract?) that the record "Bottleneck" by the Barons is a myth. Actually, Richard said "all bullshit" to me, but I'm sure that "myth" is the word he was looking for to convey the idea that his publicist in the early '70s invented the record to add credibility to his resume. Among Richard's more direct links to the Band were the fact that he played with Richard Bell in the Midknights, with Ronnie Hawkins, with Crowbar, and with Full Tilt Boogie, and that he played live at least once with Levon and Jerry Penfound.


Entered at Tue Jan 7 19:58:35 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Newark N.J., and Gary Indiana - now there's a couple of real picturesque places.

I was always told that pizza camr from the U.S.

Been listening to l;ot's of Cream lately. I even dug out some old vinyl. I can listen to their cover of "Born Under a Bad Sign" any time.

Peter = that was quite a "Band being masters" quote. We need to find out what was meant by that.


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Pa

Subject: Missed You All at Bearsville/LH & The Blues/Kentucky Colonels

Friends: A killer virus kept us from making the trip to the NYE Concert. This is one concert we will regret missing for a long, long time. Reviews looked great, with the added musicians (Hubert Sumlin, "we're not worthy",indeed) making it one for the history books...

As veterans of more than 5plus BB's shows, we can safely say that Levon Helm is NOT spinning his wheels by playing the blues (burned deep in his soul since he was a little boy). He plays with a beaming smile and his drumming is inspired - some of the best he's ever done. Do you think Muddy, the Wolf, Mr. Sumlin, et al were simply "marking time" by continuing to play great American music well into their second half centuries? Anyone who thinks LH isn't breaking new ground every time he goes up on stage doesn't understand the blues. Like Keith Richards, Levon Helm will keep on playing his music until the people stop showing up to hear his band.

You can find the great music of Clarence & Roland White with the rest of the Kentucky Colonels at the Sierra Records website. In addition, you might also find recordings there by Garcia, Grisman, and Peter Rowan (former member of Bill Monroes' Bluegrass Boys), as well as work from other artists such as Gram Parsons. Clarence White still ranks as one of the greatest guitar players in history, and he's been dead for almost 30 years. Garcias' banjo pickin' stands up against any electric guitar he ever played with his JG Band,as well as his many recordings with the Grateful Dead (which showed a strong country/folk/bluegrass influence).

We'll keep watching the upcoming concerts sections in this great website and you can be sure we WILL BE AT the next LH & the BB's show within the Mid-Atlantic region.

Happy New year to all.

"Peace, brother, peace, the Doctor's comin' "

(to the Keswick Theatre on February 16th)


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Posted by:

Woodlark's Dog

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Serge thread and Pizza thread

To tie up two PASSIONATE threads I'd like to post this pic. Click "Web page".


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Posted by:

klaus

Location: d
Web: My link

Subject: tach

nice page


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Pizza in Paris

I had a pizza at some dive on the Left Bank once...for some reason it had clams, shells and all. Good thing I was paying attn...might have lost some teeth...beware!!!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Rolling Thunder/Regional Cuisine

There’s a “Live 1975”-vs.-the bootlegs piece posted on Salon that also considers some of the larger issues associated with the bootleg Dylan industry.

Pizza: Classic Italian-American pie (thin-to-crisp crust, tomato sauce, dotted with fresh mozzarella; pizza Margherita and white pie topped with either sliced tomato or anchovies also qualify) is probably a regional dish, and the region doesn’t extend south of Atlantic City, north of the Bronx, or west of the Delaware river, although the occasional excellent example can be found in such far-flung outposts as Philadelphia, New Haven, and Providence. What’s available elsewhere may be outstanding in its own way, but it’s something other than pizza.


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Posted by:

Heidi Bernard

Location: New Hampshire

Subject: Does anyone even read this

I was fortunate enough to go to a party a few years back where I viewed "The Last Waltz". Needless to say I was blown away. Already familiar with the music, I was never fortunate enough to see the band Live. Age problem. I have to say that I can't decide which member, Robbie Robertson or Levon Helm, I would wreck my marriage for. I can't say enough good things about the Band. It makes me proud to be part of that generation, so much so that I make my children listen to all that music. Three things boys should know about good music, classic cars and being a gentleman. I think it's extremely important to remember where we all come from and music is the key that opens that door. Thanks for showing up. Heidi


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Posted by:

Lil

Thanks to everyone who answered my "xmas" question.

January 7, although only just another date on the calendar, is a difficult day for me, so I'm trying to pass it with music (DFA is playing now)..which always helps. I've been asking myself this for 7 years now, but I wonder if this date will ever come and I'll wake up and not just _know_ how long it's been...? I miss you John.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: signs a pizza place may be worth trying

1)it is not a chain, but family owned.2)It is located, not on the main drag with the TGI Friday's, McDonald's, Malls, etc., but on a neighborhood side street. 3)It occupies the first floor of a 1940's era two-story, wood frame dwelling. 4)Grandpa used to live above the restaurant. College kids do now. 5) All the neon in the sign does not work. 6)There is a broken fan in the window. 6) the booths are lined with orange vinyl dating to Big Pink 7)You have to dial there line 4 times to finally get through. 8) the place is always packed. 9) THey serve pizza and only pizza. Well, maybe salad or clams on the side, but nothing else but pizza.10) they don't offer 'cheese' pizza, bot 'mozz' pizza, pronounced 'mooooots', not 'mots', as in the abominized mispronunciation of 'motserella'


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Pizza

Pizza is Naples and Naples is pizza. (Or so my neopolitan cousin would always tell me). But there is a ring of truth to it. You want your "pizzaiolo" to be from Naples (or to have learned how to make it in Naples)

One pizza chain here in Japan puts mashed potatoes and mayo, along with corn on one version of their pizza (HERESY!!!) and IT IS disgusting as the image conjured up by the aforemnetioned combo sounds (I tried some once)

My father born in Northern Italy in the 1920s only ate pizza once while living in Italy and that was when he was immigrating to Canada in the mid1950s, when the boat docked in Naples. Up until the mass migration from the South to the North of Italy in the 1960s, pizza was confined to the area around Naples (as, say, with Northern dishes like polenta {ITALIAN GRITS!!} confined to the North of Italy).

The only thick crusted pizzas are those sold at the "PIZZA AL TAGLIO" places where you go in and buy a square slice of pizza and take it out to eat somewhere else (sitting in a piazza or one's office). Most Italians will laugh at you if you say the North American version of pizza is superior to the thin crusted style prevalent in Italy. I like both kinds of crusts, although when it comes to toppings I am a bit of a traditionalist. I am man enough to (grudingly)} admit that pineapple on pizza works!

word of advice: Don't ask for pepperoni pizza in Italy unless you like green peppers on your pizza!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Band as masters / pizza

I’ve just finished the Clinton Heylin Van biography- I’ve read it very slowly with excursions to the appropriate albums. Anyway, in the last chapter he talks about Van’s control of his own career and says that after the rip-offs, Van “acquired the necessary toughness to twist the mind benders back on themselves,” Curiously, he then quotes Jon Gershen who says:

“There’s a whole thing of what happens when you’re exposed to the Grossman / Dylan approach to dealing with people. I don’t know whether Van began to learn about that when he moved to Woodstock … it may be that he started to learn about those kind of head games from the masters. i.e. The Band.’

I wonder what he meant by that?

But seriously … at last a major intellectially-challenging topic, Pizza. The counter-claim over whether it is an Italian dish or an Italian-American dish persists, as Pat points out in “not east of Newark” and it may be true- even some Italians have told me that pizza originated in the USA. However, I come down firmly for Italy here. “Hawaian pizza” (with pineapple and ham) is an abomination. Worse is our British equivalent, “Chicken Tandoori Pizza” (I kid you not). The world’s greatest pizzas are to be had in Naples. The pl