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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, September 2010


Entered at Thu Sep 30 23:09:00 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: and mad hatters

ok, ok, "Tiny Dancer" is great.

Père Google sez tiny dancer = Maxine Feibelman = Mrs. Taupin Mk I. Photo at [My link], please scroll to the bottom of the page.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 23:09:06 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Sir Elton

My dorm room in the mid 1980’s…..

On one side was my roommate who played a lot of Pink Floyd, Elton John, Journey and Rush. From my corner of the room came Muddy Waters, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, and The Band. We both found common ground in the Beatles. Over the years we became more receptive to each other’s music, and he’s the one who made me give Elton John a chance. I think I know what Sadavid’s getting at, and there may be a point there about much of Elton’s catalog, but generally if the melody and rhythm is good enough, it will carry to song for me.

The thing I like the most about Elton John is when he’s banging out gospel funk on the piano. His feel for rhythm and phrasing is where the magic lies for me. The ballads tend to blur together a bit, but when he’s doing something like ‘Border Song’, that’s where his unique style really shines. He’s got such a percussive style of piano playing that it almost sounds like he’s going to break it. He also carries a lot of soul with his voice. ‘Mona Lisa’s and Mad Hatters’ is another favorite of mine. Also ‘Captain Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy.’

Kevin J. great song choice from the Kinks. I think the only songwriter who’s in the same league as Ray Davies for that type of songwriting and performance is Paul Westerberg. They both have an uncanny knack for good melody which always comes through….even in the case of the Replacements whose performances were sometimes a bit on the ragged side......but that's what made them charming.



Entered at Thu Sep 30 22:57:35 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

From Gavin Edwards', "Is Tiny Dancer Really Elton's Little John?"

"Here's what Bernie Taupin, lyricist on "Tiny Dancer," said when I asked him about it: "We came to California in the fall of 1970, and sunshine radiated from the populace. I was trying to capture the spirit of that time, encapsulated by the women we met--especially at the clothes stores up and down the Strip in L.A. They were free spirits, sexy in hip-huggers and lacy blouses, and very ethereal, the way they moved. So different from what I'd been used to in England. And they all wanted to sew patches on your jeans. They'd mother you and sleep with you--it was the perfect oedipal complex." So it sounds like Patti was certainly part of the inspiration for the song (and maybe Bernie even told her that she inspired it!), but that she wasn't the sole Tiny Dancer. She can still claim a nice little mark on rock history.

(My first question in that interview with Taupin was the one the book's title paraphrases: "What is Elton John's 'Tiny Dancer' about? My friend says it's some kind of woman-muse, but I think he's singing to his penis." Taupin's response, after he stopped laughing: "That's great! But I wouldn't belittle myself so.)"


Entered at Thu Sep 30 22:28:00 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

DISCLAIMER

All opinions expressed by the Previous Norm are soley Norm's, or the Previous Norm's, or the Deviation from the Norm; and they do not reflect the opinion or values of this Guestbook.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 22:22:29 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Tiny Dancer

As I recall hearing, the lady in question travelled with the band, as in Elton John's band, on an early tour in the U.S. She became Bernie Taupin's girlfriend and later his wife.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 22:08:14 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tiny Dancer

Remember, the words are (as written) "Tiny Dancer, LA Seamstress to The Band" … not "to the band."

Mind you, a seamstress is more Gilded Palace of Sin than Cahoots.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 22:05:54 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Madman Across the Water

Pat B, what? No Tiny Dancer? The best song on there. I agree it's an excellent album. The Tiny Dancer scene in "Almost Famous" is a treasure.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 21:02:14 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northqwest

Subject: The previous norm????

I know I missed some lines in the song. What a hell is that Sadavid? did some other norm commit sideways??????


Entered at Thu Sep 30 20:58:59 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Finding that "Deeper Meaning Man"

You guys'll never make any gawd damn sense. A lot of music, and lyrics are for fun, light.....dancing....wether it's in the moon light or not. Some a youze is like these gawd damn flower childs of the sixties. Oh Wow man, like it's got to have some deeper meaning.......awww bullshit. Lighten up!

Joan! Why would you be depressed? We're in our prime baby! I guess to each his own......yeah ok, but take some of the music for what it is.

Elton John??

I heard from a friend you been messin' around,

With a cute little thing I been dating up town.

You outta town guys sure think you're real keen,

Think all of us boys here are homespun and green.

Well that's wrong my friend so get this thru' yer head

We're tough and we're Texan with necks good'n'red.

And it's kyeyiiyippyyiyi you long hairs are sure gonna die,

Our 'Merican home was clean 'till you came.

And the eagle still flew in the sky,

Hearts filled with National pride.

Then you came along with yer drug crazy songs,

Gawd damn it yer all gonna die!!!!!!!


Entered at Thu Sep 30 20:51:02 CEST 2010 from (174.89.117.48)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Brandy - Rock Snob Approved


Entered at Thu Sep 30 20:28:31 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

(not that sad)avid

Web: My link

Subject: booming into boxes

Joan, please go easy on the "depressing"s and the "sadly"s, or we'll begin to worry about you . . . a new study out of Rutgers claims that the "baby boomer" bunch are committing suicide in middle age in statistically greater proportions than the previous norm.

I did like "I Think I'm Gonna Kill Myself," at least it showed Elton was capable of irony . . . .


Entered at Thu Sep 30 20:23:01 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

I used to host karaoke nights at a few clubs in south jersey in the early 90's. To get the crown going early on, I used to sing Brandi, it was/is in my register, I would also doa few Elvis tunes as well.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 20:09:12 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Dancing in the Moonlight

Norm, thanks for posting that clip. The depressing thing is not just the age of the band (who still sound good) but the age of the audience. Sadly, they are my contemporaries. I hope I don't look that old...


Entered at Thu Sep 30 19:26:58 CEST 2010 from (174.89.117.48)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

To Todd and sadavid's discussion, above link defines why Ray Davies is a genius - in the hands of a lesser writer a simple little ditty about a child would likely have been mushy crap - not this one......something that just can't be taught.

As to Elton.....a saving quality that kept him in the "rock good book" was absolutley no doubt kick-ass live performances throughout the 70's.........plus, I always liked that Bernie Taupin put that line in the song about his girlfriend working for The Band - "Seamstress for The Band"


Entered at Thu Sep 30 19:14:35 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

There are at least four Elton John songs on Madman Across the Water which are (IMO) superb: Levon, Madman, Indian Sunset, and Rotten Peaches. Country Comforts and Grey Seal from some later albums are also first rate.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 18:50:48 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.189)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Sadavid

Just one exception to your take on Sir Elton songs that comes to mind; Burn Down The Mission. There's almost snippets of Band lyrics weaving back and forth throughout.

Much of what else comes quickly to mind fits your description.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 18:50:06 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

I recall a few years ago in a thread about guilty pleasures, Dancing in the Moonlight got quite a few votes. Nowhere near Keith's 98.6 but a good showing nonetheless.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 18:17:57 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Sounds of the 70s !!!

Todd: ditto. I heard "Dancin' in the Moonlight" on the radio a few days ago, and . . . damn, it's catchy. Well crafted, buffed to a warm glow. I even like the lyrics for the way they fit the rhythms so seamlessly. But for a song to have traction for me (there are always exceptions) the words also have to say something interesting. Beyond a perfect distillation of the hippie zeitgeist in a single image. Plus there's the Sappy Factor, which was always my beef with J. Denver (as I've said before, "Time to Kill" has beaucoup redeeming qualities, but it almost goes there).

For a couple of years in my callow youth, I was quite an Elton fan. One day I woke up and realized that for all the danceability and effortless musicality, the songs had nothing to say. It's a great trick to be able to set rubbish to music in a way that makes it sound impressive, but it's still a trick.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 18:06:00 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Still the One

I had forgotten to mention, this song of Orleans, could sure get everybody to dance.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 17:57:06 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Orleans - Dancin' in the Moonlight

I didn't think to look when this was. I'm sure David will know. A real laid back version, (as we get older), but a good one some nice solos here.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 17:39:27 CEST 2010 from (90.239.123.137)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: The dock of the bay

Subject: So called clarification

King's College is situated in Cambridge and not in Scotland like I said. I shouldn't post here when sober. I'm working on it. Cheers.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 17:31:35 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Dancin' in the Moonlight

I think Johnnie Rivers cover of the song went the furthest. I liked the way he did it. The band I had at the time, late 60's early seventies, we used it a lot. It was quite popular out here then.

I got home from the island with my truck late last night and with a huge load of groceries. While I worked cutting up and vaccumn bagging some stuff for the tug, I listened to a station on my cable I enjoy. Galaxy, "Jukebox Oldies". Does anyone remember Roy Head? I hadn't heard that guy in a long time.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 17:08:04 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Dancing In The Moonlight

‘Dancing in the Moonlight’ is a fine song, well crafted etc. but some reason never really grabbed me in the same way as the music of The Band and others did. I’m not sure if it’s the production or the performance or a combination of the two. It easy to see why it was popular on the radio, but something about it just doesn’t do it for me. Maybe it’s too polished….not sure. Another song from that era I feel the same way about is the song ‘Brandi’. Again, a great and well crafted pop song, but it just doesn’t hold my attention. They would probably both sound great at a wedding reception.

This may offend some, but I tend to lump a lot of the music of the group ‘Chicago’, and ‘Blood Sweat and Tears’ into the same category. ‘Saturday in the Park’ and ‘You’ve Made Me So Very Happy’ have a similar vibe for me. Great songs, expertly performed, but doesn’t light my fire. A lot of it sounds dated to me whereas The Band, The Stones and Dylan sound more timeless. Maybe I just like things a little grittier? But then again, there’s a lot of Elton John that I enjoy…..even some of the slick & sappy stuff from the 1970’s. Maybe it’s the vocals?

Oh well, horses for courses I suppose. Maybe it’s a generational thing. Although I came of age in the early late 1970’s & early 1980’s, and a lot of that music……disco and new wave…….doesn’t do it for me either.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 16:45:27 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dancing In The Moonlight

After checking ASCAP and other sites, I found other links between Orleans and "Dancing In The Moonlight". The song was written by Wes Kelly's brother Sherman, who played keyboards & sang with the group Boofalongo, who first recorded the song with little success. Larry Hoppen, who later joined Orleans, was also member of that group, as was Doc Robinson, who later was a member of King Harvest and sang that group's hit version. With that one recording, King Harvest had surely come.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 06:39:26 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, King Harvest did Dancing In The Moonlight. They were also Upstate NY'ers. Wes Kelly was in some version of KH and also drummed with Orleans.


Entered at Thu Sep 30 06:20:00 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: AaaaHEM!

Actually Kevin........... In all honesty, I can't take credit for helping you with the colours, it was Lars. Your mistake was a natural one. There was many of us discussing many different things all together there.

Cheers guys..........and gals! we never forget you girls, you are very meaningful. We couldn't exist without you.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 22:28:16 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Todd, Orleans was a wOodstock band. Larry Hoppen, the guitarist, brass, and vocalist, Lance Hoppen, bass, both from Long Island. Wes kelly, the original drummer, great, od'd young. John Hall guitar and songwriter. You know him for the no nukes song, "give me the warm power of the sun".etc etc Now he is a US congressman. No longer in the band. if i am not mistaken,The Hoppens were also in the band that did "Dancing In The Moonlight". When I lived in woodsotck i used to see The Hoppens play in holes in the wall. Larry is in Florida these days, Lance i Nashville, Orleans still tours. Charlie Morgan, used ot be with Elton John, is the drummer. Another Brother, Lane, plays keys and brass. When I saw them a year back Larry's voice waas right on the money. he ha s aband called The Rock and Pop Masters. all kind sof peopel, Edgar Winter, Wet Willie, Beaver Brown giuy John Cafferty. They just went to Iraq not long ago, played for the troops.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 22:04:18 CEST 2010 from (68.164.6.91)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin, his name is Ray Jackson and he sued Stewart a while ago. He had heard his mandolin part on a television commercial. I think it was settled out of court.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 21:31:13 CEST 2010 from (174.89.117.48)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Liner Notes

"The mandolin was played by the mandolin player in Lindisfarne. The name slips my mind" - Rod Stewart

While Rod Stewart and also The Faces always had fun liner notes........the above from "Every Picture Tells a Story" - while probably funny and innocent really at the time turned out to be not so funny to the guy whose work was all over that album..........Imagine hearing Maggie May just about every week for the next 40 years in bars, cars, restaurants and knowing it was in 15 million homes without your name on it.............


Entered at Wed Sep 29 21:08:01 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: ars nordica

NorthWestCoaster: you are in good company: from the profile of celebrated novelist Per Petterson at [My link]:

"Stylistically, I Curse the River of Time is notable as being the first of his novels Petterson himself has helped to translate. As an artist who boasts of having bought his first Bob Dylan record in 1965, he knows the rhythms of English intimately and sets them to work with real expertise."

Of course, Bob's first lady love was a Nordstrom, or some such . . . .


Entered at Wed Sep 29 20:39:58 CEST 2010 from (174.89.117.48)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jimmy Vivino

Catching up on the "What's New" section of this website......the link of September 15 that refers to Big Pink being on a list of top 10 debut albums.....also has a good interview with Jimmy Vivino - not just about his taking over as leader of the new Conan band but about his association with Johnny Johnson and a new documentary about Johnny's life......funny bit about times when the Johnny Johnson band would hook up with Chuck Berry on the road and Chuck's antics about taking control of things!

Rock n Roll Hall of Fame: Thanks Serenity............. Let the arguments begin again...............another hilarious list from Jann Wenner..........still no Faces, Replacements, T-Rex, Rush, Joy Division or Joe Cocker.............Last Waltz connection........Neil Diamond has made the short list again...................

Good to hear Rollie and thanks to dlew919, Norm and Todd.................On the subject of colours........spent a few days in Saratoga Springs on the weekend and driving back North on Monday....while not in full form the colours were already quite striking...........Saratoga Springs is lovely and all but a worrying trend.......as we strolled up and down the main street Broadway....I counted 3 Dog Restaurants and only one ( not very good ) guitar shop......everyone's little mutt can get 15 diffreent types of drinking water and 25 different types of snacks while looking for music accessories is a challenge.........


Entered at Wed Sep 29 18:48:17 CEST 2010 from (90.239.121.174)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the pier

Subject: John Wesley Harding

I learned (hmmm....) my English by translating "Frankie Lee And Judas Priest". The Biblical language in this LP makes it easier for me to listen to GEORG FRIEDRICH HANDEL's "Messiah" or Christmas Carols from King's College in Edinburgh.

BTW who is this No-bert? Have I missed something? Should I join Crackbook or something?


Entered at Wed Sep 29 18:14:29 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Todd: Regarding the 24 masters provision, the contract further stated (in Section 5):

"Provided sufficient masters acceptable to Capitol as provided in Section 3. above, are delivered to Capitol, Capitol will release records made up of at least 24 masters produced hereunder during each year of the initial period and in each option period which becomes operative. If Capitol fails to release such masters Company [Grosscourt] may terminate the agreement as of the end of such year."

So it seems there's a loophole for both parties in the event Capitol didn't release all the masters they recorded.

The contract further provided that Capitol would make its studios & editing facilities in New York available at no cost. In the event that they chose to use other studios & facilities, Capitol agreed to reimburse them for such use "at competitive rates...up to forty hours of use for each twelve masters to be recorded hereunder."

So, when they later recorded at Sammy Davis Jr.'s poolhouse, Bearsville studios and Shangri-La, it looks like Capitol reimbursed them for certain specified costs incurred.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 17:05:47 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Around that time, Grossman had also negotiated a deal with Clive Davis & Columbia for another one of his clients, The Electric Flag, the group Michael Bloomfield founded following his departure from Paul Butterfield's band. Their debut Columbia album, "A Long Time Comin'", was released in March 1968. Michael Bloomfield, along with a couple other members left the group, and the follow-up release "The Electric Flag: An American Music Band" was co-produced by bassist Harvey Brooks and John Simon.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 16:11:25 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: pulling teeth

. . . and apparently _Cheap Thrills_ was something other than a walk in the park for Mr. Simon. See [My link].


Entered at Wed Sep 29 15:48:34 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

At the time Albert Grossman was seeking a recording deal for The Crackers, he also had another client who had just signed with Columbia -- Big Brother & the Holding Company, featuring Janis Joplin. Following Ms. Joplin's electrifying performance at the Monterey Pop Festival in June 1967, her group entered into a management deal with Mr. Grossman. Later that year they signed with Columbia. John Simon produced their debut album for the label, "Cheap Thrills", recorded in the spring of 1968 and released in August.

Of course, Grossman had a prior business relationship with Mo Ostin and Warner Bros. with whom his most commercially successful clients, Peter, Paul & Mary recorded.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 15:18:24 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Levon also mentions that by the time of his return there had already been a demo session by The Hawks without him or Bob which he "hasn't heard." (so presumably still hasn't heard when he wrote the book).


Entered at Wed Sep 29 12:49:03 CEST 2010 from (61.68.27.137)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin J, Todd adn Serenity

Great to see you all! Where's Dunc and Julie?


Entered at Wed Sep 29 07:18:55 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Kevin J

Thanks Kevin, I'm still walking,getting out and enjoying the fall colors on the backside of the Tetons here in Idaho.Hands and arms are less than perfect but I'm mobile.Thanks once again to Jan and all the great folks here at The Band pages. JN


Entered at Wed Sep 29 05:05:50 CEST 2010 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: The Band - Winterland 1969

For those of you who like bootlegs, click on the link.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 04:55:41 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Orleans Trio

By the way, thanks Jeff0 for the heads-up about the Orleans Trio. I have to admit not being very familiar with them, but I did a quick search and I've actually heard quite a few of their songs over the years. Just didn't know it was them. I'll keep an eye out for them, but haven't had much time for shows lately.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 04:47:08 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Odds and Ends

Steve, Thanks for the report from the herbology classroom. I knew that I could count on you. Maybe we’ll have to consult the official weather records from the Fall of 1967 to see if it was a particularly mild year. I was only 1 year old at that time, living in Southern CT, and my memories of that time period are a little hazy. (Nothing to do with the remarkable agriculture experiments going on up on Stoll Road – just a young mind still learning how to crawl).

Lars, I took a drive into the Hudson Valley last weekend towards Albany, and I was surprised at how far along the color was, even in September. I think that you’re at least a week ahead of us here in CT re: the leaves turning. I wonder if the dry year we’ve had has anything to do with it. I was in Long Beach, NY on the South Shore of Long Island a week ago, and it still felt like summertime down there. With the rain and leaves on the ground today, it definitely feels like Fall now.

Thanks David and Pat for the additional info. I hadn’t known that they had tried for a contract with Colombia. Given the Dylan connection and that fact that they were on salary with Bob and publishing songs with his company, I’m a little surprised that a deal with Colombia didn’t work out. So absent of anything concrete until February 1968 it seems that Rick’s phone call to Levon must have been based on a strong hunch that a contract would be imminent. Unless there was the prior contract with Albert Grossman's management company that David alluded to. I guess it took several months to formalize whatever negotiations Grossman was making. Based on the extract that David provided, I’m a little surprised to see it call for a minimum of 24 masters or more per year. That seems pretty optimistic, even by the standards of the late 1960’s. That’s essentially an album every six months. Was that common for that time?

Kevin J., Serenity and Charlie….good to see you back. Hope I didn’t forget anyone. Not that I’ve been around too much lately myself. I’ve been pretty busy working. I’m not sure if that means the recession is over, but it seems that I need to work the equivalent of two jobs these days just to break even. But thankful to have the work at the moment.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 03:43:57 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: 2011 R&R HOF noms.

LINK: It's about time some of these artists are finally being nominated. Neil Diamond and Bon Jovi are very deserving, so hope they make it.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Wed Sep 29 02:59:06 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: misc

NORM!!!- avast. I just looked at Craig's band in Facebook & tell them they can do a New Year's show over here in NY if they want-but they got to bring the Old Man along.

I have to agree with Todd as far as foliage turning early on Overlook Mt and the rolling hills Levon said were in bright colors. That area usually peaks around Columbus Day & by late October the woods are pretty much open & the leaves are mostly down. Some of those pinoaks hold their brown leaves into the new year. I've oftened wondered why the oaks are so late.

Thank the Lord for the last two days of rain. We were about played out here in the woods.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 02:49:00 CEST 2010 from (203.41.84.218)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Worst album liner notes?

'Wicky Wicky Wicky - beware the delikabe misberate'. I might throw this open to guesses... (artist only - I can't remember precisely which album...)


Entered at Wed Sep 29 01:49:27 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

We could have cleared up the "When did Levon get to Woodstock" riddle if we'd asked Young Sebastien when he was about collecting all those questions a couple of years back.

Todd, the most intoxicating aspect of that pot plant in the woods ( way back in the late 60's) would have been the sight of it standing in a clearing in the woods. Pot grown this far north at that time was affectionately called, no-dope.

It wasn't til the late 70's that growers out in Norm's neck of the woods got down to some serious genetic selection and cross breeding that Mary Jane with a little ass kick was growable this far north.

As far as Levon's plant being alive in November, that would depend on whether the temperature had dropped to the freezing point (32 F.) If it had gotten to 30 or a little lower, it would have frozen and been brown. I'm guessing Woodstock would freeze, at least once, before too far into November. So it was probably still October.


Entered at Wed Sep 29 01:04:24 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tuggin' it!

Hey Kevin; So you spent some time on Stuart Island. Dennis Washington only owns a little piece of it. Richie Brothers Auctioneers, have a nine hole golf course there.

Dennis' place overlooks the Arron Rapids, at the mouth of Bute Inlet. They flow out into the Yuculta Rapids. Bringing a tow of logs, or towing a barge thru the rapids, keeps you on your toes alright.

I expect you may have gotten around thru the Yucultas and looked over to the huge resorts on Sonora Island. Used to be owned by the Hells Angels. Now owned by London Drugs. Apparently $1200 a day to stay there

Good that you got some fish, not many left there now. When I was young we used to commercial troll there. The sporties got us kicked out, and now they have almost completely wiped ou those Bute Inlet spring salmon runs.

I came thru the yuks with my barge just two nights ago. I could e mail you a picture of my barge loaded with logs, in the middle of the Arron Rapids, almost right in front of Dennis Washington's house when I hauled out of there a few years ago. Glad you had a good time.

Lars! I meant to tell you. On that Facebook page of my son's band. There is one picture that is really cool. My grandson, (Craig's son) Gavin, who is about 6 now. He's sitting at the sound equipment with head phones on listening intently, and looking very serious. They have a caption, "Sound men start young".


Entered at Tue Sep 28 23:26:22 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.246)

Posted by:

Pat B

The Hawks did not have a recording contract when Rick called Levon to come to Woodstock. As David P pointed out, the Hawks signed with Capitol on Feb 1, 1968, halfway through the recording of MFBP. Based on a demo they did soon after Levon arrived (recorded a Columbia Studios in NY), Grossman tried to get them signed with Columbia but failed. No doubt some rough mixes from the January sessions at NY's A&R Studios helped seal the deal with Capitol after Grossman couldn't locate Mo Ostin with Warner Brothers. The group took a break to play with Dylan at the end of January then in early February went to LA and Capitol Studios to finish MFBP and do some recording at Gold Star Studios.

They published the songs from MFBP with Dylan's company because Bob kept them on salary after the motorcycle accident and they felt they owed him (perhaps legally).


Entered at Tue Sep 28 23:00:48 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Large Print Giveth and the Fine Print Taketh Away

Todd: The parties to the Feb. 1, 1968 agreement were Capitol Records, Inc. and Groscourt Productions, Inc., with Grosscourt agreeing to provide:

"...the exclusive personal endeavors of Levon Helm, Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson, performing as 'The Crackers' (herein sometimes called the 'Artists') in connection with the production of records (herein called the 'Artists' Employment Contract'), a fully executed copy of which Company [Groscourt] will furnish to Capitol upon request. Said contract has been or will be approved by the International Executive Board of the American Federation of Musicians."

The agreement further mentions "the exclusive personal endeavors of Artists in connection with the production of records as vocalists and intrumental musicians for an initial period of two years as the same may be extended or renewed, commencing on the date hereof to record during each year a minimum of twenty-four masters or more upon mutual agreement. Twelve masters shall be recorded during the first six months of this agreement." Capitol was also granted "three options to renew [the] agreement for a period of one year, said option periods to run consecutively beginning at the expiration of the initial period..."

From the agreement's language, it seems that the group had signed a prior contract with Albert Grossman's management company. So the Feb. 1st agreement apparently formalized a recording deal Groscourt had been previously negotiating on their behalf.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 22:23:02 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: MFBP Timeline

According to Levon's book, Rick mentions the 10-album deal in his phone call to Levon re: coming to Woodstock and joining up with the guys again. Presumably that promise of that deal was based on the strength of demos that the guys had recorded with Albert Grossman? October 1967 - February 1968 seems like a big gap of time. Do you suppose that Rick was just basing things on the promise of a contract? Based on the dates that David P. outlined, it seems that a large chunk of MFBP was recorded prior to the formal contract of Feb 1968.

I wonder the signing of the "official" recording contract was based on the strength of the first half of the album, or had they just not gotten around to formalizing some sort of verbal agreement made back in the Fall of 1967. Rick does mention the 10 albums back in October, so it seems that there had been some sort of specific conversations at least. Would that mean that everything they had been recording up until February 1968 was "on spec"?

Assuming that most or all of the songs from MFBP had been written prior to the formal contract of Feb 1968, it seems that there may have been a lack of specific written agreements regarding the "Crackers" business arrangements. I wonder if some of the songwriting "agreements" fell into this same gap, from October 1967 - February 1968. Maybe that’s why the publishing was handled through Dylan and Dwarf Music?


Entered at Tue Sep 28 22:22:44 CEST 2010 from (78.52.225.73)

Posted by:

lastactionseo

Web: My link

Hello! I like to wish you all the best!


Entered at Tue Sep 28 21:53:21 CEST 2010 from (174.89.117.48)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Some thoughts after a few months away:

* Rollie: Just ordered your CD - Really looking forward to hearing it and hope that you are doing ok.

* Bill M: Tried ordering the Mandala but having some issues with the system not accepting my visa - shall try again tomorrow - looking forward to hearing that as well.....

* Westcoaster: Back in August, I spent some time as a guest of Dennis Washington at his island in Campbell River - spectacular area and great salmon fishing.....I had not fished since elementary school so quite the experience...A couple of guys caught 25lbs plus - my biggest was 18 pounds but a lot of fun...Apart from the scenery and fishing - what stood out was a conversation I overheard about the skill and complexity involved in operating a tugboat - quite amazing the ramifications if a Captain gets things wrong while guiding one of those huge tankers............and all this time I thought you just had your feet up listening to music out there on the water! One of the nights we had dinner on the St. Eval tug

* Currency discussion: I always liked the Steven Wright line which was something like "You got to love Canada - who else would put Art Garfunkel on their $5.00 bill..........

* Picked up the new Arcade Fire while away - enjoying it very much but qualifies as worst liner notes ever ( somebody thought it cute to have them in someone's illegible handwriting ).....also "Best of Joy Division"..........and the re-release of "Dark Side of the Moon" which is quite simply the best sounding co I have ever heard.......put it on in the car and it actually felt like I had a new system installed...spectacular.

* We have had many discussions here about the lame Rolling Stone "List" editions which are almost always laughable.......BUT.......their latest "100 Greatest Beatles Songs" on the stands now is well worth picking up....very well done.....


Entered at Tue Sep 28 21:22:39 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Notas Benes

Honestly, there's never been a better / more appropriate set of notes than:

"A pink house seated in the sun of Overlook Mountain in West Saugerties, New York. Big Pink bore this music and these songs along its way. It’s the first witness of this album that’s been thought and composed right there inside its walls."

The pride of Southern Ontario, Shelton Brooks, rates a close second place with "I'll be down to get you in a taxi honey . . . I want to be there when the Band starts playing . . . ."


Entered at Tue Sep 28 21:02:50 CEST 2010 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Embarrassing Sleeve Notes

Quite a few good ones at the link above. Including some heroes (Van M, Dr John). And some 'Faintly Blowing' :-)


Entered at Tue Sep 28 20:59:18 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Further confusion over the date of Levon's arrival comes up in Lee Gabites' 1999 interview with John Simon. Mr. Simon recollects that "He arrived after the Basement Tapes and just before we went into NYC to cut the first tracks for 'Music From Big Pink'", adding that Levon had previously "been on an oil rig with Kirby Pennick."


Entered at Tue Sep 28 20:42:07 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Timeline

After a little bit of research, I've come up with the following dates:

The Band's (then known as "The Crackers") recording contract with Capitol Records, through their management company Grosscourt Productions, Inc., was dated February 1, 1968. (A copy was filed as an exhibit in the ongoing lawsuit filed by Levon against the advertising firm that used "The Weight" in a Cingular ad campaign.)

The track notes for "A Musical History" boxset list the recording dates for the "Music From Big Pink" sessions. They began on January 10, 1968 at A&R Studios in New York City, where "Tears of Rage", "The Weight", "We Can Talk", "Chest Fever", "Lonesome Suzie", "This Wheel's On Fire" and the outtake "Yazoo Street Scandal" were recorded.

AMH notes also list Levon on some of the Basement Tape recordings: "Words and Numbers" (April-October 1967), "Odds and Ends" & "Ruben Remus" (Sept.- Nov. 1967). Also "Ain't No More Cane" and "Don't Ya Tell Henry" (late 1967 - early 1968) were produced by John Simon at an unknown studio. These dates seem less accurate and the Basement Tapes sessions are complicated by later overdubs and/or re-recording used for the official BT release in 1975.

On January 20, 1968 The Band backed-up Dylan at the Woody Guthrie Memorial concert at Carnegie Hall in New York City.

Beginning in February 1968, MFBP recording sessions continued at Capitol Studio in L.A., where "To Kingdome Come", "In A Station", "Long Black Veil" and "I Shall Be Released" were recorded. Later that month, the outtakes for "Orange Juice Blues (Blues For Breakfast)" & "Baby Lou" (on Feb. 20) and "Long Distance Operator" (on Feb. 21) were recorded at Gold Star Studios in L.A.

"Music From Big Pink" was released by Capitol in July 1968.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 20:14:11 CEST 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: still in D.C.
Web: My link

Subject: G-L-O-R-I-A

Gloria Stuart, from "Titanic", dead at 100. Interesting clips on YouTube from one of her first movies, "The Dark House."

J.F.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 18:45:41 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Fall Changes

Levon talks in his book about his first impressions of Woodstock, on his ride up to Big Pink, after the boys picked him up at the airport. He writes, “It was late on an autumn afternoon, the maples and oaks were glowing orange and red, and I couldn’t take my eyes off of Overlook Mountain and the rolling terrain.”

Peak Fall foliage in this region is usually during the first couple of weeks in October. By November, there are a few spots of color left, but most of the leaves are starting to go brown and fall to the ground. By Thanksgiving virtually all of the leaves have dropped (except for some of the more stubborn Oaks), and in some years, there’s been snow by the end of November. Based on the vividness of the color that Levon describes, it sounds like he arrived earlier in October rather than November.

Levon also mentions Bob leaving town in October to record in Nashville. According to Heylin’s book, recording for John Wesley Harding began on October 17th, 1967. Levon doesn’t mention if he saw Bob when he first got into town, so it’s possible that Levon arrived right around the time that Bob was leaving for Nashville. Rick mentions getting together at Big Pink in the basement from March 1967 to December 1967. It seems like Levon would have been around from approx. early October through December. Based on what John Simon says, it doesn’t sound like Levon was there at Halloween. John Simon then talks about coming back to Woodstock and Levon showing off a marijuana plant in a cleared patch in the woods somewhere near Big Pink.

Now, I’m no farmer, and have no experience with the growing trade, but I’d think that November is a little late in the season for that sort of thing.

I wonder if Levon might have arrived early in October to check things out and feel out the situation, and then at some point taken a trip back South to collect his things and then returned sometime in November more permanently. That could explain the gap between Simon’s account, and Levon’s recollection.



Entered at Tue Sep 28 18:28:05 CEST 2010 from (72.78.128.246)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: John Wesley Harding

David, as usual you're correct. John Wesley Harding did not appear in the stores until 1968. It was immediately after the New Year, which may account for the January release date. Another weird release date is May for Blonde on Blonde, which was not in the stores until the end of June.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:43:50 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Thanks. Levon arrived about three months before the first Big Pink recording session, then. I wonder if he took on "The Weight" at that session because it was the last one of the Robertson songs written or because the others had tried before he arrived but it didn't suit them as well. And if that's the case, is there a tape around of Richard and Rick singing it?


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:43:06 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Sleeve Notes

That's amazingly pretentious stuff for an artist who ultimately couldn't get the lyrics to TNTDODD right. I have read some bad sleeve notes but none quite like those, Peter...


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:33:36 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sleeve notes competition

We haven't had a competition for ages. How about the "worst sleeve note". I'll start it off with Vanguard (Fontana in Britain) for the "Joan Baez" EP from 1962:

Heine once said that literature is a graveyard in which we wander, searching out and embracing the headstones of those ideas which are closest to our own beliefs.So it is with our researches in folk music … And so, if Shelley wondered, “Ye Hasten to the dead! What seek ye there…? we might answer that we seek the living … (folk music) is a world where love is a sometime thing and the voice of the turtle-dove is hushed in the shadow of the mushroom cloud."

OK, beat that!


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:23:18 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Chopping wood? It would have been needed. At the time of Michael Gray’s Dylan Encylopaedia, we spent ages trying to work out when Levon returned. I just looked at the notes from then. Levon himself says “After the Mid South Fair” which ends in the first few days of October, and probably did in 1967, because there’s a picture of Roy Rogers there on September 27th 1967. With Dale Evans, but not with Levon, I hasten to add. John Simon says all the basement stuff with Dylan was complete when he got back, and that Levon wasn’t there at Halloween. But that he was at Thanksgiving. That gives early November. Elsewhere Robbie says “August” which was part of The Band’s deliberate myth-making about being a solid unit since the year dot.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:08:44 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Mixin' Up The Medicine

Lars: Garth was also the recording engineer, as he operated the recording equipment, which featured a Uher reel-to-reel tape recorder, Altec tube mixers and a few decent quality microphones.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 17:07:44 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: I don't mind them chopping wood ...

Do we know when in the conception of what was to become Big Pink that Levon showed up - mainly to make good money by drumming, but also to chop wood?


Entered at Tue Sep 28 16:54:48 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: More Looking Back

I've always been intrigued by the Big Pink setting back in late 1967. Richard was the cook. Garth wanted the dishes clean, so he was the dishwasher. Levon split the firewood. Hamlet showed up and laid on the baesment floor while the boys played their new music. They had a typewriter set up in the kitchen and Bob Dylan would type in it every day. Sometimes Richard would type in the rest of a verse. Bob left for Nashville in October. Thanksgiving dinner was at the Traums'. Levon wrote about these times in his book.

Too bad that typewriter couldn't talk.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 15:56:54 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Looking Back

At the time of the release of "John Wesley Harding" music fans were surely eager to hear anything new from Dylan. Following the '66 tour with the Hawks, the retreat to Woodstock and the motorcyle incident, rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated as he became invisible. As we later discovered, with assistence from the Hawks, new music with roots in the past was evolving through private sessions in a basement and a living room.

In the meantime, Columbia released "Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits" in March 1967 and D.A. Pennebaker's cinema verite "Don't Look Back" documentary on Dylan was released in U.S. theatres later that year. When JWH suddenly appeared in stores, seemingly out of nowhere, it was shocking how much Dylan & his music had changed in a short span of time. The album became Dylan's best seller to date, reaching #2 in the U.S. charts and #1 in the U.K.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 15:34:56 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Beateb Path

Hey Lars..........and some of you other guys. If you type The Beaten Path in your search on Facebook, you should get up the page of my son Craig's Band. A lot of gig pictures.

Craig is the big fella always in the middle with a base ball hat on.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 14:42:52 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Dixie, Porgy and Bessie

As I was listening to a radio documentary on George Gershwin I started noticing the over laps between J2Rs and George.

Both are of Jewish European/ Russian, ancestry. Neither goes by his original family name. Both have strong ties to the home of Jewish American Folk music, Tin Pan Alley.

Both write one of their most memorable works about the southern US, which was foreign to both of them.

In each case they went to the southern US to live for a period of time to soak in the landscape and music. Both were assisted by southern, musical collaborators when creating the final work.

I know, this is old news , but it was interesting, none the less.


Entered at Tue Sep 28 01:56:38 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Mixed

Hi all! LINK: Rolling Stone's latest issue: new band leader for Conan O'Brien you may be interested in. Also in this issue, a special tribute for John Lennon's 70th in NYC. [10/09]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

TV music: Jay has TRAIN on Tuesday

On Friday, Dave has our [Canada] pride, DRAKE. Nice guy.

Tuesday: kd lang on BRAVO

Friday on BRAVO at 8PM has "Coal Miner's Daughter"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mary Stuart, from "Titanic", dead at 100. She was a great actress. May she RIP. Also sad to hear about Eddie Fisher's passing. May he RIP.

WESTCOASTER & NORTHWESTCOASTER: Hope you aren't near any of the terrible floods/mud slides out there? Wishing you well.

+++++++++++++++++++

Hope all is well with everyone & God Bless

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Tue Sep 28 00:03:41 CEST 2010 from (136.167.99.82)

Posted by:

Dave H

You would think that two days after Christmas would be a very bizarre release date for a reclusive major artist's first album of new material in a year and a half (which was a very long time in 1967 terms). On the other hand, maybe Columbia was so desperate for new Dylan stuff that they wanted it out as soon as possible; the turnaround time was amazingly short (less than a month after the final session).


Entered at Mon Sep 27 22:42:52 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

David, you can download the Blossom Toes version from Torrentz. I'd be interested in your opinion!


Entered at Mon Sep 27 22:39:15 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I'll Be Your Baby tonight

A bit of Googling turned up an interview with Brian Godding of Blossom Toes, who says of their version:

It was crap! I'd put it in a league with Hermann's Hermits. It was a joke. We were a quirky sort of English band and trying to do cover versions of Bob Dylan was really stupid in retrospect. We were good at what we did, but not good enough to go round covering people's material like that.

I disagree totally. I think they did it very well. I can't find it on the web or iTunes but you need to hear it.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 22:27:01 CEST 2010 from (79.202.179.220)

Posted by:

Nobert

Web: My link

Subject: We Used To Know vs Hotel Cal.

Tull, agreed Tull's work is a masterpiece, holds a thousant times .... let the mass have their Hotel ....


Entered at Mon Sep 27 22:06:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: John Wesley Harding

Peter: According to the searchingforagem Dylan website that February 1968 date was probably accurate for the U.K. release. Although Dec. 27, 1967 is listed as the official U.S. release date, other sources indicate that it wasn't available in most retail stores until Jan. 1968.

I don't believe any early Basement Tape versions with the Hawks featuring JWH songs have surfaced. Much later, Dylan performed "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight", "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine" and "I Pity The Poor Immigrant" live with The Band at the Isle of Wight Festival on Aug. 31, 1969.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 19:54:57 CEST 2010 from (136.167.99.82)

Posted by:

Dave H

From what I can tell, the main consequence of Neil Young's brief 1965-66 tenure in the Mynah Birds (in which he played mostly 12-string rhythm guitar, apparently) was that he subsequently pawned much of the band's equipment to finance his and Bruce Palmer's road trip to Los Angeles which ended up in the founding of Buffalo Springfield. Some years later, after he had achieved great success as a solo artist, Young returned to Toronto for a gig and was promptly sued by the Mynah Birds' financial backer for the value of the equipment. I imagine that he was happy to pay up at that point.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 19:51:56 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. My source was the usually reliable "Oh, No! Not Another Bob Dylan Book" by John Bauldie & Patrick Humphries, but December 1967 rings bells somewhere. Blossom Toes are one of the most collectable British bands of the era, with a twin lead guitar sound predating Wishbone Ash (or Lou Reed's early 70s line up). I'll Be Your Baby Tonight is highly uncharacteristic of their style, though brilliantly done. I saw them a few times around then and don't remember them doing it, but I might not have noticed.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 19:28:13 CEST 2010 from (90.239.127.109)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the pier

Subject: I'll be...

An interesting point, Peter. Here you have found something which is pointing to - shall I say northeast (Basement Tapes) - when John Wesley Harding version is pointing to southeast (Nashville).

Good to see Charlie Y back from Crackbook.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 19:23:11 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter: I believe that "John Wesley Harding" was released in late December 1967 here in the U.S. Perhaps the group you mentioned merely received an advance copy of the album, rather than a demo version of the song, from the U.S.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 19:10:32 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I'll Be your Baby Tonight

One for the Dylanologists. I picked up a demo copy of Blossom Toes’ 45 of I’ll Be Your Baby Tonight on Giorgio Gomelsky’s Marmalade label. It’s stamped 8th March 1968 (it was released in the summer). As John Wesley Harding was released in February, it looks as if Gomelsky’s Marmalade might have had an early call on cover versions, following their success with This Wheel’s On Fire. The odd thing is the raucous basement tapes atmosphere of this just post-basement song, complete with playful doo-wop ending, rather in the mood of I’m Your Teenage Prayer, a basement track no one heard for another 18 years. It made me wonder whether they had a demo of the song that predated the album. And if so, who was on it.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 17:52:57 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

I've been away from here more than usual as I've been on the road and also finally wound up immersed in Facebook for the first time, so it's good to see some good discussions here.

Regarding that Neil Young-Rick James connection, can we day Neil was guilty of contributing to the delinquincy of a Mynah?


Entered at Mon Sep 27 16:59:05 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Mynah Birds

Peter M: Don't process the info until it's a bit fuller. John D's quite right in saying that a lot of guys passed through the Mynah Birds, and while Neil Young is certainly the most famous alumnus, his membership at the time wasn't musically essential. As he is quoted in saying in the "Shakey" biography that it was Rick James' band - though even that wasn't true at the start, when it was probably Nick St Nicholas's band, or a bit later (the time of the group's only record release during its lifetime) when it was co-led by Jimmy Livingston and Rick James. James put together a new group back in Toronto post-Neil, and that lineup went off instead with their new guitarist, Bruce Cockburn. And the two Mynah Birds remaining when James, Young and Palmer all disappeared (John Taylor and Rick Mason) also assembled a new group that gigged under the old name at the same time.

Perhaps even more significantly, the Mynah Birds were far far from being Young's first group. The first one of consequence, with which he recorded his first record and with whom he later came to Toronto from Winnipeg, was the Squires. "Shakey" has the story, as does "Don't Be Denied", and as does Neil Young's "Archives" boxed set.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 15:31:26 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Norbert's link

Norbert, I had a feeling what your link would be and I was right! A much better song too.


Entered at Mon Sep 27 03:34:37 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mynah Birds

Many musicians went through that band; which included Neil Young, Rick James, Nick St. Nicholas and Goldie McJohn; who would go on to Steppenwolf. Also Neil Merryweather and Bruce Palmer. There were others as well; but the band was short lived.


Entered at Sun Sep 26 23:58:24 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Rick James/N eil Young

Peter, Toronto, mid 60's, The Mynah Birds. Neil Young, Xavier Taylor, Rick James ( he was from just across the border in Buffalo)Bruce Palmer and possibly another guy, can't remember. Bill can fill you in in detail when he wakes up.



Entered at Sun Sep 26 21:45:55 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest - On the beach!

Subject: Jeff's CD & Bill's declaration

I gets off the boat.......and what to my wondering eyes should appear?????? Jeff's CD! Splendid job Jeff. Real nice funky laid back job of "The Weight" great singing, nice harp lines. A lot of good stuff.

Bill! You confirmed very well how you dwellers of the great metropolis see us in our "Villages" out here. As exciting as a couple of chunks of Wonder bread with a slice of processed cheeze. Well that's a good thing. Then we don't have to see you ner-do-well, lookin down yer nose, uppity, yuppy, no good low down sons-a...characters around here that much now do we!

Northern Buoy, hello old kid. Haven't seen you in a while hope all is well. They're called "humps" because of the big hump they develop on their backs when they start to change for the fresh water. The other thought hadn't occured to me.......of course. You are in a strategic location there. Didn't you manage to get your hands on some of those sockeye. Right below you is where they, "cut 'em off at the pass."


Entered at Sun Sep 26 21:44:13 CEST 2010 from (91.42.249.118)

Posted by:

Norbert

Joan, we share that smile.

Mike, just cleaned my front window (inside).


Entered at Sun Sep 26 20:12:27 CEST 2010 from (174.91.173.167)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Were you humming the car song en route to Dokkum, Norbert?


Entered at Sun Sep 26 19:01:38 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Woody

Norbert thanks for that link. That song always brings a smile to my face. I understand Dylan's love of Woody when I hear this song.


Entered at Sun Sep 26 15:57:50 CEST 2010 from (79.202.173.62)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Gizmotron

The good old Gizmotron (link).


Entered at Sun Sep 26 14:49:26 CEST 2010 from (79.202.180.152)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

car song


Entered at Sun Sep 26 13:38:38 CEST 2010 from (79.202.180.152)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Hotel California's well

Trivia; The Eagles listened to this song first (link).


Entered at Sun Sep 26 10:21:36 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Web: My link

Subject: Todd, Peter and co.

Someone told me recently that Rick James played in Neil Young's first band. Havin' a hard time processing this one. What city/home base for this outfit? And later. Morris Levy bullying our guys? All you have to do is look up John Lennon's "fond rememberances" of this guy. Weighs like a ton of bricks...


Entered at Sun Sep 26 07:47:03 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Thanks Pat. Fun to watch that.


Entered at Sun Sep 26 07:20:23 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

iTunes Europe is currently paying US of A artists/etc bout 24 cents more a download than U S of A iTunes is.

Todd, The Orleans Trio is playing at Infinity Music Hll in Norfolk soon enough. Larry & Lance Hoppen , guitar, bass, Fly Amero, guitar. Fly preceeded and succeeded John Hall. I caught the full band 2 labor days back in woodstock. Was a fine show.


Entered at Sat Sep 25 19:28:59 CEST 2010 from (91.42.242.161)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Just back from Dokkum (Frieslân)

Subject: Mavis Staples

ah Mavis, she sang for Martin Luther King, Clinton, Carter and John F. Kennedy, with all the greats and never lost herself, love her (she can sing too).


Entered at Sat Sep 25 05:15:14 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

I was tossing out old vhs tapes and I came across this. It was a one-off with Mavis Staples.


Entered at Sat Sep 25 03:15:20 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: whisk(e)y

'Whiskey You're The Devil' aka 'Whiskey In The Jar'.

Whaddaya at by' on a Friday night what?


Entered at Sat Sep 25 01:58:33 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, I think there are many reason Canadian musicians back then stayed in the US. That is where the music industry is/was located. More recording studios, more stadiums, bigger crowds, less distance between shows. More money!

It's always nice to work where you live. If you have a green card to work in the US you might as well live there. Once you spend a couple of years there it starts to become home.

, Also, you don't want to have to carry your drugs back and forth across the border, that could be a potential problem.

You're right about the musical influences of the US too, of course. The Band's story is a case in point.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 23:22:57 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The other other Beck

You mean that Beck isn’t one of those guys who dances with snakes and speaks in tongues?! I’m shocked. That does it…..I’m canceling my order for my “Glenn Beck for President” Tee-shirt.

The premise that historians are purposely lying to us sounds like an attention getter. I’m sure that most of them are well intentioned. But it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that there’s been a few over the years who may have massaged some of the details to suit a particular bias. Regardless of what Glenn Beck (this is the most times that I’ve ever typed his name) believes.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 23:09:10 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.246)

Posted by:

Pat B

Todd, I'm not concerned about Glenn Beck at all. I was just relaying the fact that he turned what was supposed to be a rally for the troops into a call for a religious revival. The irony of course is that his religion--Mormonism--is considered heretical by Christian Fundamentalists and he couches his beliefs in accusations that history and historians are purposely lying to us.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 22:08:06 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: A Few Judicious Folds....;-)

Pat, Thanks for the primer on the “teabaggers”. I had no idea that they called themselves that. I thought it was something made up by the media. I hear a lot of noise coming from that corner, but I try to tune much of it out. It was my sense that they were motivated by taxation issues rather than being some sort of religious movement, but I’m sure there’s all types. I wouldn’t be too concerned about Glenn Beck. Some people hang on his every word, and others don’t care at all. The only way to give him power is to give him attention. He’s easy enough to avoid. Even more surprising to me, from your link, is that there are multiple tea parties, some at odds with each other. Political infighting, mixed messages, and contradictions…..they’ll fit right in with many Democrats and Republicans. The sad thing about politics is that the noisiest groups often get the most attention, despite the message. It’s my hope that there are well intentioned people whose motives are pure in all parties, and that reason will ultimately prevail…..but that’s not as good for ratings I suppose.

Bill, I’m staring to gain a whole new respect for your currency. I had no idea that the old girl had been put through so much!

Not sure where I would live given unlimited resources, but it would probably be at least three places. The Hamptons are nice if you like to rub shoulders with wealthy celebrities (not so important to me) and be relatively close to NYC, and be able to maintain a fair amount of privacy. It’s true that it’s fairly flat there, but that makes for easier bicycling, especially as the years begin to pile up. But I’d prefer something a little quieter. The North Fork of Eastern Long Island is actually very nice too….great farms, vineyards, and beautiful light. And a little less of the celebrity factor.

I think one of the main reasons that so many Canadian musicians, and British musicians gravitated towards the US is that it’s the birthplace of much of the music they enjoyed as kids. Especially for Canadians who were close enough to tune into America radio stations late at night.

Careful Lars, don’t give anyone any ideas. Before you know it Elle McPherson may end up on some Canadian Currency. And there’s no telling what kind of hi-jinks those boys up there may pull. Especially during those long cold winters!


Entered at Fri Sep 24 20:28:00 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Live long enough......Lars you'v made a post i can both laugh at and agreee with.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 20:27:42 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Live long enough......Lars you'v made a post i can both laugh at and agreee with.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 20:10:40 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.246)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

A sign of tea party strength.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 19:53:42 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, it used to be you made it in Canada, then, possibly you made it in the states and most likely you moved there but not necessarily so.

Many of this generation's successful bands seem to stay here after they've made a name for themselves and they seem as interested in making their careers in Europe as the US. They seem to have a very different attitude about what constitutes "making it".


Entered at Fri Sep 24 19:47:35 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Where to live

I'd like to live in Elle McPherson's house.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 19:15:18 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sir Paul McCartney brings up a dilemma. If you could live anywhere whatsoever in the world, where would you live? You factor in that you don't need a job, and that anyone who needs to contact you will be happy to travel to you. Given that, it's almost impossible to make a decision. It's a thought more people are getting … an author, musician or designer can do everything from home now on computer. It makes it an incredibly difficult choice. Van Morrison and Nicholas Cage opted for Bath, which is a pretty good choice (unless you ever want to park a car). It's one I might make myself if we move. The Hamptons? I spent two days filming there 15 years ago. It's very pleasant and everything, but a bit flat, and Sir Paul's place in Sussex has an equally nice coast. it's not one I'd choose. Sir Paul was always content to pay UK tax too. Whenever people asked him why he didn't follow John, Ringo and The Stones into tax exile, he always replied that his mum was a nurse. So he believed in paying taxes. Maybe that's gone!


Entered at Fri Sep 24 18:56:10 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.246)

Posted by:

Pat B

The Tea Party originally called themselves "teabaggers" for quite a while. The joke of course was that teabagging is a sexual term of which they were unsurprisingly unaware.

It seems pretty obvious that there is a deep religious component to the Tea Party, seeing the Glenn Beck thing transform into a revival meeting. But all polls show that the Tea Party is not highly regarded in the US--in fact, it prompts negative reactions from a majority. Palin polls on almost exactly the same arc.

As far as any cogent financial stance they may have, the teabaggers have ignored deficit spending for over 30 years and castigated the one president who did balance the books, however he did it. They also supported two wars--Iraq and Afghanistan--which were completely unfunded and added 3 trillion dollars to the national debt even as taxes were cut. It is also odd that they have adopted Lincoln now (perhaps co-opting is a better term) since Abe was definitely a Federalist who practically invented deficit spending, practiced a unique version of Christianity complete with seances, and regarded the Declaration of Independence (not the Constitution) as the most vital document in American history. His detractors note several unconstitutional things he did, albeit to save the Union.

Sorry if this is regarded as political. All my opinion, although Sherman is correct. War is Hell and you can't refine it.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 18:32:35 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the queen's ass

Todd: Hoo-ey, have I got news for you in that case!! Get yourself a Canadian dollar bill from the '60s, and - as any former adolescent Canuckastani perv will confirm - with a few judicious folds you can turn Liz's head (well, her jaw and neck, actually) into a derriere.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 18:07:07 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Penny Lane

Bill, the coin was from 1965, which would have put QE II at around 40 years old. Right in my wheelhouse! At any rate, she’s cuter than Lincoln.

Peter, I suppose Sir Paul is giving the safe answer, whereas Ringo was telling it like it is. Plus I think that of all the Beatles, Ringo might have had the hardest time and possibly doesn’t have as many fond memories from his youth. I think that Paul spends most of his time in the Hamptons on Long Island these days.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 17:43:30 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Climate might be a factor, Todd, comparing (say) Malibu with the Yukon. Also, if you're earning a lot of money, I guess that US tax rates would be better than Canadian ones? Also the record companies are all in the USA. It is an interesting phenomenon that so many Canadian rock stars live in the USA, though when I was in Toronto in the early 90s, Robbie gave an interview in a local magazine saying Toronto was his favourite place in the entire world. As one does when talking to the hometown newspaper, and being asked about the town you no longer live in.

Which brings us back to Ringo Starr who broke that tradition twice in short order. While Sir Paul waxed sentimental, Ringo simply said on TV that he vastly preferred living in the USA to Liverpool.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 17:29:13 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: GB numismatics

Todd: It must be a really old penny if Elizabeth looks fetching. Unless it's you who's really old - in which case you might be interested in our still-older pennies showing Victoria. As a bonus, those coins were bigger and the copper was purer.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 17:14:47 CEST 2010 from (69.182.79.77)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT - Northeastern Coastal Southern North America

Subject: Keep The Change

Peter, sounds like the quality of life survey respondents would “rather be burned in Canada than to freeze here in the south”. I can’t comment on the quality of life in Canada, but it seems that many of Canada’s greatest musical exports have decided to settle here in Southern North America for some reason. I would disagree though, on the unrestrained capitalism. There are plenty of restraints here……or at least barriers to profitability…..at least at the manufacturing level.

Steve, The other day I received change from a purchase in a local store. Included with the coins was a Canadian Penny. It has some nice maple leafs on one side and a fetching portrait of some gal named Elizabeth on the other. But aside from its aesthetic value, I’m starting to feel like I lost 5% on the deal. It’s an older one….Maybe I could cash it in for the value of the copper.

I don’t know any of the Taliban or Tea Party members personally, but I think it’s a stretch to try to link them. Based on what I’ve observed of the Tea Party, they seem to be more concerned with fiscal matters rather than those of religious fanatics. Plus, I think women in particular aren’t treated very well by the Taliban. The Tea Party holds several women in high regard. It’s not even an apple to oranges type of thing. What’s a “Tea Bagger” anyway? Sounds kind of lurid……but I don’t think that’s the name that they go by.

Where the heck has Deb been? She could usually insert a bit of reason into the proceedings.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 16:07:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

try the above for Young and Lanois


Entered at Fri Sep 24 15:57:11 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, maybe it has something to do with the value of the Canadian dollar vs the American dollar. 99 cents Canadian is worth about 94 cents American. I'm using .99 cents because I think that is the price in both countries for a download.

To the other Jeff, beautiful rendition of The Weight. I've only had time to give the album one listen so far but the first pass through was well worth the time.

Back to the first Jeff;bravado?

Jian, G's interview with Mr Young and Mr. Lanois is on in about 15 minutes, CBC Q.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 15:44:01 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: skyscrapers and harvest moons

sadavid: I think Peter V was referring to those mountain thingies you have out there just west of you. So high that they scrape the sun right out of the sky for months on end in NB's canyon there beyond Hope.

Speaking of the sky and the harvest moon, I got to thinking about what is now the second most famous song on the topic, "Shine On Harvest Moon". It occurred to me that the following line is totally superfluous; like, where else would it be but up in the sky? Clearly 'sky' is a cheap devise used to create a rhyme to go with the author's main point, that he's had no loving for quite some time. Such a long time that no-sex dementia has set in: not only can he not remember when the last time was, but he's totally lost track of the months of the year. March, April, May - all gone!


Entered at Fri Sep 24 15:10:49 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

That was in error … Not good at all really, but the skylines of NYC, Chicago and Toronto are pretty exciting and a novelty to Europeans (though the City of London is starting to go that way).

Personally, put me in Yosemite or Arizona and I'm happy.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 15:07:07 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Location: the Middle of Nowhere

Subject: A. Nomalous

Peter V: don't mean to get personal, but could you explain how "skyscrapers" gets into the top-3 good bits list?


Entered at Fri Sep 24 12:56:45 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Southern Canada

Southern Canada? Interesting idea. As a European, I’d say it was positive. We always in Britain say Canada’s like the USA with the good bits (scenery, music, skyscrapers) but without the bad bits (lack of health service, guns, unrestrained capitalism) . Having crossed international borders with Canadian and US citizens, the “passport approval” smile is way higher for Canada than the other two of us. Canada routinely scores higher than the USA in those comparative quality of life / human happiness lists (both scoring higher than the poor old UK).

In the 2010 one published recently on quality of life in cities, Vancouver (4th) is the highest scoring North-American city, followed by Ottawa (14th), Toronto (16th) Montreal (21st) and Calgary (28th) before the first US city (Honolulu, 31st) gets listed. Then comes San Francisco (32nd), Boston (37th) and at last good old London, UK at 39th. For our other regulars, Auckland is equal 4th, Sydney 10th, Wellington 12th, Melbourne 18th, Canberra and Dublin (equal 26th), Adelaide 32nd equal.

The remaining US cities in the Top 50 are Chicago and Washington (equal 45th), NYC (49th) and Seattle (50th).

Vienna comes first. I was there in the summer. Not as nice as Salzburg. Not as nice for me as San Francisco, Vancouver or Toronto either. So maybe it’s all crap.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 12:21:51 CEST 2010 from (24.184.234.25)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: Southern Gawdamn Canada

Don't say i didn't say i didn't see this coming a few years back. Steve's secure sense of bravado made it all too apparent, and from there, it was all working backwards. But if everyone living in the US of A don't now have full color living color technicolor proof that we are living in Southern Canada, well golly....iTunes now pays more to US companies or artists for a download purchased by a US of A consumer, than they do for downloads purchased by Canadian consumers. How long this been going on, i couldn't say. I just noticed it. Used to be about 5 cents more for a Canadian download. World's going to hell in a handbasket, I'll tell ya.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 12:11:25 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Billy T Shermam

War is all hell.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 06:54:29 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: LUVYA all...

My guys singing just for you all. How can you help but not love them? Remember to listen after the swelling/bagpipes for the best voice on the planet, Carlos Marin. I play this a lot, and get tears in my eyes at this part.

DAVID & JOAN: Hi!! Nice to be here now and again.

Hope everyone is well.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Fri Sep 24 02:47:02 CEST 2010 from (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, (BC)

Subject: Way Ahead of You Lars

Three years ago this Halloween I referred to Stevon Farm as the head of "The Elle-Cowhide-a-4H Hobby Terrorist Network". And today you're finally calling him the far less inventive "Taliban Farmer". Please seek my help sooner next time. I'm only a cyber post-it note away, you know. NB.


Entered at Fri Sep 24 01:43:19 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: harvest moon

Yeah, it's really full tonight.

And I was listening to 'Before The Flood's 'Dixie' and he sings 'blood'.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 23:33:48 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: To the Taliban Farmer

While your "well informed" sources are still trying to find out what nationality the helicopter was, the bodies of the five American soldiers and the four American Naval Personnel (three of them Seals) are now en route to Dover, DE.

You can't trust those old Iranian newspapers from home, can you?

On a different subject, tonight is the full moon known as the Harvest Moon. I always liked Neil Young's song about this special time of the year.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 22:20:38 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Yes. When Klein first me John and Paul he suggested the line "I'm auditing a hole where the rain gets in and stops my mind from wandering where it will go" - but they went and changed it and didn't even credit the guy.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 22:17:37 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: cat eat mouse

I've linked this article before, I think - a musico-historical look at Sugar Hill records, arguably the first to put rap on wax. A family firm, owners Joe & Sylvia (of Mickey & Sylvia) Robinson. Joe's forced to borrow from one M. Levy and a cautionary tale follows. Joe's management style was roughly Morry's style i.e. getting to "yes" by leveraging the other guy's interest in staying alive. I just love this bit:

"Adam Levy recalls one telling incident involving his father and Joe Robinson: “They were in the Roulette offices, going through the latest Sugar Hill accounts statement, line by line. Joe pointed to one line and asked my father, ‘What’s this $300,000?’ My dad said, ‘Joe, that’s for all the records you took out the back door when I wasn’t looking.’ Quick as a flash, Joe says, ‘It wasn’t that much … ‘”


Entered at Thu Sep 23 21:42:28 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

What's the dictionary definition of "auditing"? Would it be "fixing" perhaps?


Entered at Thu Sep 23 21:37:49 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Done Somebodies Wrong

I've done some more digging & found some more information. According to John Bowen's "Record Makers and Breakers: Voices of the Independent Rock 'n' Roll Pioneers", at some point Bobby Robinson ran into some financial problems with his Fire/Fury record labels. He made the mistake of borrowing money from Morris Levy and putting up the publishing end of his business as collateral. So, sure enough, Levy ended up owning the lucrative publishing catalog, which included Elmore James material. Interestingly, Marshall Sehorn worked with Robinson back then, before going on to set up his partnership with Allen Toussaint in New Orleans. Another illustrious figure in the music business, Allen Klein, also worked with Robinson back then as an young accountant, auditing the books for his record labels.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 21:25:38 CEST 2010 from (86.171.75.227)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M

Crossed in the ether Bill. Will look at the site again when I have more time. Looks good. Definitely saw Chris McLure Section, Sleaze Band and Bumbles' favourites, the Poets. A great gig was the Sensational Alex Harvey Band.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 21:14:26 CEST 2010 from (86.171.75.227)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Working too hard

Been working too hard and just looked in.

Bought your album Rollie. Keep fighting the fight.

Got my tickets for Van in Glasgow. Peter. What album do I buy with Tupelo Honey for the 'two for a tenner'offer? Think I've got the basics in the dozen I have.

Jeff, Bill M Hope you are well. Enjoyed the clip which took me into Early Morning Rain and an hour of watching Peter, Paul and Mary, which I really enjoyed.

Holiday weekend and I'm off to the Highlands tomorrow. Maybe I'll meet Bob.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 20:49:17 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: curiouser and curiouser

David P: The songwriter trajectory for "Done Somebody Wrong" seems to have been James-Levy-Lewis-Robinson to James-Thomas-Lewis-Robinson to just James. Maybe Lewis and Robinson realised the jig was up and retreated from the scene. Maybe Levy reacted poorly to DCT's getting 'his' credit, and after a bit of a saw-off they decided to let old Elmore have it to himself. DCT did release one 45 on Roulette, likely something Roulette found in a can and issued only upon his success at the head of BS&T.

Peter V: If Landmark's around, I suspect he'll confirm that the mystery "Mel London" that you mentioned sounds an awful lot like Mel Kirsten in transit to his new name, Mark London. I wonder if he had anything to do with Mayall before hooking up with Led Zep, managing Stone the Crows. The above link - which Dunc might like, it being Scottish and all - suggests that he was something of a go-to guy.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 19:07:22 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Two sentences that make me uneasy; Life on the farm with a Taliban sympathizer and we have to learn to live with him. Don't get any ideas about moving in here, either of you.

Lars, while I usually don't bother to respond to your foolishness I'll make an exception this time because your comments have strayed into an important area.

Your usual stupidity I take as quite harmless. Comments about someone you really don't know and about a place you've never been say more about you, I think , than anything.

The comments about Taliban sympathizing are as,Old David P, would say are, impertinent and I'll add, uninformed.

Uninformed, because if you followed what's going on in your country you might have linked the comments about, Tea Party Taliban, in Old Kentuck to Palin going to Kentucky after last week's Tea Party victories and encouraging the natives to rejoice in their freedom. Pretty funny eh?

As far as what county the helicopter was from, the last I heard of it yesterday they hadn't yet announced what country it was from.

With just a tiny bit of critical thinking you'd come to an understanding of what I think of the Taliban, especially since I usually link them to their American cousins, The Tea Bags.

But a little critical thinking, even a little, would take the wind out of your sails,so, sail on , sail on sailor.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 18:59:49 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The burden of spelling "Burdon"

No, just a typo. Apologies!


Entered at Thu Sep 23 18:27:16 CEST 2010 from (90.239.91.44)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: It Doesn't Hurt Me Either

Thanks Peter V for posting a part of this article. Somehow, somewhere I have missed it. - Is it _your_ joke to call ERIC BURDON for "Eric Burden"?

Lars, Steve has a hobby already. He is posting here. I asked him to move to the mountains and meditate for the next 25 years. He answered: "Done already." We have to learn to live with him.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 17:36:14 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It Hurts Us Too

I once tried to trace this song. First Elmore James didn't write it as he was as much in the habit of taking credit as those who subsequently took it from him.This is from an article on Self-Portrait I did years back:

IT HURTS ME TOO (Bob Dylan)

Actually by Big Bill Broonzy.

or Tampa Red

Or according to Tim Riley, by Elmore James.

Or according to a John Mayall single it’s by one ‘Mel London’,

Or according to Bob …

This was pretty well-known and a very risky one to claim full credit for. No doubt it was a financial pleasure to do so.

Archaeology time: Clinton Heylin asserts that the original was called When Things Go Wrong by Big Bill Broonzy, and that Dylan retitled it. The only listing I can find is Broonzy’s Last Sessions in 1958. However, you can find the song on any collection of Elmore James songs as It Hurts Me Too credited to Elmore James. James recorded it twice, in 1957 and 1963 and even had a Top 30 R&B hit with it in 1965. In most blues fans minds, the song is associated with James’s guitar as strongly as Dust My Broom is. Then again, the same song had been recorded as It Hurts Me Too by Tampa Red in 1940 with rolling piano backing (credited to Tampa Red).

Two years after Dylan, The Grateful Dead credited it to Elmore James and Marshall Sehorn.

A recent version by Corey Harris is credited to Whittaker, and one by Keb Mo is credited to Elmore James.

Since both Broonzy and Tampa Red started recording in the 1920s, who knows the truth?… no wonder Dylan thought he might as well take the credit. It was part of the blues tradition. Whoever composed it, it’s 100% sure that Dylan didn’t. He didn’t even retitle it. Howard Sounes obviously thought it was by Dylan. He says it’s ‘an attractive song, in which Bob sang of his concern for a lover, maybe a child.’

Dylan smoothes it right out, in comparison to the Elmore James version; his delivery is much more similar to Tampa Red's version. Michael Krosgaard annotated the original Columbia sessions for a series of articles in “The Telegraph” Dylan magazine and notes it as “Tampa Red, arranged by Elmore James” which sounds fair to me. I wonder if this comes off the tape boxes or whether it’s his addition?

No one has picked up the possibility of a joke in this one - there’s a joke or at least a statement in most of these songs. This song was a British blues boom staple, played by earnest quartets and quintets at British colleges. It had been recorded by Savoy Brown, Eric Burden, Paul Butterfield, John Hammond - a classic for the ‘Can blue men sing the whites?’ debate.

So Dylan does it with relaxed, loping acoustic bass, and finger-pickin’ guitar. A country take on the blues.

Both Sounes and Heylin single this out as one of the best things on the album.They're right.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 17:26:28 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: sharkskin: suit

David P: according to W'pedia, "'Ya Ya" . . . was written by Lee Dorsey, Clarence Lewis, Morgan Robinson and Morris Levy."

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny . . . .


Entered at Thu Sep 23 17:02:33 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: Life on the farm with a Taliban sympathizer

First off Steve, you should get a hobby if your farming job can't keep you busy. Secondly, you always seem to be pretty happy when the US loses servicemen, like the 5 soldiers from the 101st who were killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan 16 hours ago. The Taliban is claiming they shot down the helicopter. All of the dead were from Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Not a good time for some foreigner like yourself to be claiming some Kentuckians are brothers-in -arms to the Taliban.

Tell the truth, you were probably walking around with a smile on your face all day long back on Sept 11, 2001. It seems your hatred of the American people knows no bounds. Any time you can you come into this "music site" and give your foreigner's viewpoint on what's wrong with the USA. Why not talk about your own country's politicians and elections? You might have more of a chance of getting your facts straight, for once.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 15:53:30 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Done Some Songwriter Wrong?

Bill M: I've also seen the song credited elsewhere to Elmore James, Morgan Robinson and Clarence Lewis. Those three are also credited with writing another Elmore James classic "The Sky Is Crying". Morgan "Bobby" Robinson is an independent record label owner & producer. Mr. James cut sides for his Fire record label. Early in his career, Lee Dorsey recorded for Robinson's Fury label. Among the songs he recorded was "Ya Ya", which is credited to Lee Dorsey, Morgan Robinson and Clarence Lewis. The great Wilbert Harrison also recorded for Fury. Clarence Lewis also recorded on Robinson's labels, in addition to handling some production & engineering work.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 12:54:57 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, last week's quote of the Beatle lyric, "rather see you dead, little girl...." was not actually written by the "angry John", but was a quote of a line written by, Arthur Gunter, and sang by Elvis in the song, Baby, Let's Play House, which makes it even more creepy, I guess.

If you thought voter turn out might be down in the next US elections, think again.

Religious fanatics, like The Tea Baggers annd The Taliban, seem to have an overwhelmingly positive effect on voter turn out. Who knew?

In some areas, where the Taliban control the country side, more than 100% of registered voters turned out to the polls.

This November look for some of the biggest voter numbers ever in places like, Old Kentuck, where the Taliban's brothers in arms, The Tea Baggers, rule. Who said, gun totting, religious fanatics weren't really democrats at heart?


Entered at Thu Sep 23 06:08:04 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Subject: upcoming Garth release

On the Steve Hoffman forum, someone posted that a friend of theirs is working on an upcoming release from Garth. No details were provided when asked, but hopefully some news will come out about this very soon. The poster said his friend was looking for the source of the George Harrison quote on the Band, to be used in the liner notes.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 06:04:44 CEST 2010 from (59.101.43.54)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey Serenity!; Also, hanging out balconies...

According to hip hop lore, Suge Knight held Vanilla Ice over a balcony by his ankles till Vanilla Ice signed over his publishing.


Entered at Thu Sep 23 01:59:05 CEST 2010 from (76.118.151.196)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Thank you too, Rollie. You are a true "The Band" fan :).


Entered at Thu Sep 23 01:48:17 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Thanks.......

...to Jan and all the Band family for their continued support. Jane and Jeff


Entered at Wed Sep 22 23:00:50 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Done Something Confusing

David P: BMI lists five songs titled "Done Somebody Wrong" - one each by Elmore James, DC Thomas, Eddy Kirkland, James Jones and Johnny Abbott. I'm sure the first two are the same - essentially if not exactly. The others I can't even guess about. None of the five list co-writers and 'your' Lewis and Robinson appear to have fallen right off the map.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 22:33:34 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Done Somebody Wrong

I checked the pink label Capricorn original LP pressing of ABB's Live At The Fillmore East. The label credits four writers by surnames: Thomas - Lewis - James - Robinson.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 22:16:40 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Couldn't find DCT's "Done Somebody Wrong" on YouTube, but I did find his first record from '64. Listen for the Robertsonesque guitar break (by Fred Keeler) two thirds of the way through. Dig around a bit and you'll find DCT's finest early record, "Brainwashed", from '66. Listen for the startling piano break - quite something for the time and context.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 20:38:19 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Done Somebody Wrong

Bill M: At the beginning of the live recording Gregg Allman, however, properly introduced it as "an old Elmore James" song.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 20:16:29 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Done Somebody Wrong

Likewise, early pressings of the ABB's Fillmore LP credited a blues semi-standard to David Clayton Thomas, who'd recorded it in Toronto years before with Duff Roman (now recognised as our guys' first post-Hawkins producer). I forget who really wrote it, but whoever it was got credited on later pressings. I see that DCT's autobiography is now out (see link); it'd be interesting to see what he has to say about the Hawks, who he guested with regularly circa '64.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 19:49:08 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Somebody Stole My Dime

Fenton Robinson's great blues song "Somebody Loan Me A Dime", recorded with B.B. King's band, was a regional hit in Chicago in 1967. Two years later, Boz Scaggs included it on his self-titled Atlantic album, but the song was credited to Mr. Scaggs. His version, recorded with the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, featuring Duane Allman on lead guitar, drew wider favorable attention. Mr. Robinson pursued legal action and prevailed. When Atlantic reissued a remixed version of "Boz Scaggs" in 1978, Mr. Robinson was properly credited. Thus, one way of determining which version of the album you find in a record store, is to check the credits on the label. It should also be noted that Rolling Stone magazine publisher Jann Wenner was the executive producer of that album.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 19:46:03 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ankles

The Don Arden one is the most publicized version. Simon Napier-Bell described it in his book. Then Arden cheerfully admitted it in his own autobiography with the protest that it was "only" the 4th. This would have been late 1966 or early 1967.

The story was well-known, and I heard it influenced Led Zep's roadies who would perform the same feat of intimidation if they had unco-operative people in theatres (using the balcony).

Berry Gordy I didn't know, though he had two reasons to be pissed off with Marvin Gaye : his sister and refusal to do what he was told. Is it in Elaine Jesmer's Number One With A Bullet? That's a thinly-fictionalized account, said to be very largely "true."


Entered at Wed Sep 22 19:16:43 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Serenity

Hi! Nice to see you around.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 19:12:33 CEST 2010 from (199.233.178.254)

Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Hanging by the Ankles as a Mode of Persuasion

Peter, I was thinking of a Barry Gordy/Marvin Gaye scenario I recall hearing about. Strictly hearsay. Further this affiant sayeth naught.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:50:26 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Afrisa

The link shows "Afrisa" as 5 minutes and 17 seconds of Marion Brown - with Marion having written the thing herself. Googling will find you a free download, it seems.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:46:32 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: I Want To Lay Down Beside You

Then there's the case of Rick Danko sipping Tim Drummond's wine on his first solo album.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:38:30 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

And then there's the question of how Mike Love got into the credits. Is 'Travesty' a word for this?


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:33:40 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

AFRISA … interesting. Afrisa was allegedly by “Marion Brown & The Band” and credited to all five. We spent ages looking for it on Marion Brown lists without any luck, ten or twelve years ago. Then someone asked Levon directly, who had never heard of the song, nor of Marion Brown. That was slightly odd as Brown is reasonably famous and played with Pharoah Sanders and John Coltrane. We assumed it was a sample. But a jazz variation on Ain’t No More Cane sounds plausible.n

Settling disputes. Well, it depends. If you’re employing the muscle men, it’s a pretty good way. Don Arden protested in his autobiography that the story of him hanging Robert Stigwood from the tenth (or whichever) floor balcony was untrue. It was only the fourth floor balcony. Stigwood, by the way, had just lost his shirt on a Chuck Berry tour, and was attempting to recruit The Small Faces, then managed by Arden. Arden in his latter years loved to hang out with retired Mafiosi in LA.

The trouble with courts is that if Shylock and Portia were before a modern court, and Shylock demanded the pound of flesh nearest the heart, the lawyers would strike a compromise and offer him half a pound of flesh nearest the heart.

I just checked the first release single, EP and LP of Surfin’ USA all credit Brian Wilson. I don’t know when it got switched.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:17:52 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

I just looked up "What A Party" in BMI and ASCAP. While the Hawks are credited with the song in Jan's discography (see link), none of the several songs of that title in the BMI and ASCAP databases show any of the familiar names.

There's also a song called "Afrisa", credited to all five of our guys. Listed as a variation of "Ain't No More Cane".


Entered at Wed Sep 22 17:11:06 CEST 2010 from (199.233.178.254)

Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Conflicts Resolution

Peter, a good point on the given line for Come Together. Another good point that the redistribution of money after these plagiarism cases more often than not makes hash of it.

I am not a lawyer myself (nor do I play one on TV) but I work around that business. Anyone who has been through litigation is likely to agree with me that if you know a possible dispute about money or anything else in on the horizon, you cannot work hard enough to control it before it comes to litigious blows. The courts are a terrible place to sort such matters out, as I believe most judges would tell you.

Of course, when it comes to conflict resolution, the courts beat the approach of bringing along a couple of muscle men and hanging the person with whom you have the disagreement by his ankles out the window until he sees things your way.

As for Surfin' USA, I remember as a boy seeing Brian Wilson as composer on the album, was it? Then Chuck Berry on the single. Or the other way around. Confusing to the tyke I was. I had certainly heard Sweet Little Sixteen on the radio, but did not put them together until years later.

Any tune based on blues changes has got to be difficult to copyright, but you are right about this particular one.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 16:38:47 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Credit where credit's due

My Capitol 45 copy of Surfin’ USA which I bought new on release, says “Brian Wilson” for composer, so they tried.

Henry Glover was still with Roulette when he co-wrote the “Two Tickets to Paris” score. The Dee-Glover-Levy credit must have been a general deal because it also applies to the orchestral tracks from the movie. According to the Wiki article, Glover co-wrote Peppermint Twist with Joey Dee as well, released July 1961. There’s no copyright on title, because five months later, Danny Peppermint released Peppermint Twist now written by “Lamego”. It has different words and chorus, but the same rhythm, though there was a generic twist rhythm at the time. You still go round and round and round. But not up and down. In the vagaries of record collector values, where rarity outweighs quality, a Danny Peppermint LP would be valued at three times the equivalent Joey Dee LP.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 16:12:39 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Moondog

Then there's the legendary, tragic figure, DJ Alan Freed who received co-writing credits for songs he gave heavy airplay. He even "borrowed" the Moondog moniker from someone else.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 15:52:45 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Given Henry Glover's long experience at King, I'm sure he was as wise as anyone to the ways of the record and publishing businesses by the time he got to Roulette. Any idea how long he stayed there? He had his own Glover label - with Lousiana Red and others - while still with Roulette (who acted as distributor); for all I know his short-lived Ware label (which released the Canadian Squires record) was also a bit of a Roulette boutique operation. Or maybe by then he'd tired of dealing with Levy and Roulette and set out totally on his own? The Wikipedia entry at the link above has a bunch of details.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 15:39:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The female associate of Morris Levy who received writing credit on around 15 songs recorded by Ronnie Hawkins was Jacqueline Magill, who was reportedly Levy's girlfriend. Robbie has also spun a different thread into the songwriting yarn, as his version has Levy himself receiving co-writing credit.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 15:18:00 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Two Tickets to Paris

I've had a copy of this Joey Dee 1962 Roulette soundtrack LP since it came out, and my original copy was a US import. Anyway, I saw another one in a charity shop yesterday for 50p and it looked unplayed so I couldn't leave it languishing there, especially as it has such a great sleeve. So I just put it on to play. Guess who wrote most of the tracks? Joey Dee of course, with Henry Glover (for a Band link) and Morris Levy for another.

Dee - Glover-Levy. I wonder how their contributions panned out?


Entered at Wed Sep 22 13:34:07 CEST 2010 from (76.68.83.207)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson performs two songs (Ghost Dance, Mahk Jchi Live on BBC)

ray pence.....Wow. Just even the thought of the gift....I'm totally blown away. Thank you. :-D


Entered at Wed Sep 22 13:30:31 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Question 43 Down, NY Times Crossword Puzzle

Question; Irrefutable evidence against evolution;

Answer; The US Senate.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 12:02:47 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Peter - I totally agree. I'm just saying that Ronnie claims initially, it was the label who claimed credit for "those extra 10 days". I'm sure he didn't object...


Entered at Wed Sep 22 09:48:45 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

“Forty Days Not Ronnie’s personal decision”. Ah, Adam, Ronnie is a great raconteur and storyteller. Elsewhere he boasts that it was his idea. I get the impression that Ronnie was a willing associate of Levy on the songwriting scams.

Surfin’ USA as 100% Berry is unfair too. It IS Sweet Little Sixteen, but the new words were pretty good, and the usual split is 50% for melody line, 50% for lyric.

I’d like to warn you guys about Right rev Billy Sol Hargis. I bought mineral rights to 2,000 square miles of seabed from him, and have yet to see the certificate for my section of mid-Pacific real estate. But I console myself with the thought that it’s all going to a good cause. He said that there would be a seal attached to the certificate, which makes me worry whether I'll be able to get this creature into the bathtub.


Entered at Wed Sep 22 04:13:10 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: R&R news

Good link...

xoxoxo


Entered at Wed Sep 22 03:55:14 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Renee Fleming & Carlos Marin

Spectacle: Elvis Costello With...

Description

American soprano Renée Fleming talks about opera, jazz and her unbelievable voice.

Channel Canadian cable BRAVO 40

Start Time Duration

10:00 pm 60 minutes

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Hi all. A reminder to watch this show tonight and hear one of the best voices today. Renee & Carlos Marin of Il Dive have the greatest voices in the world today. I'm not that much of an opera fan, but these 2 give me goosebumps whenever I hear their voices.

Whenever I hear Il Divo's "Amazing Grace" it brings tears to my eyes, at the part after the swelling/bagpiper, where Carlos' voice can be heard above the rest. No wonder the call him, "little Caruso".

Renee sang "Battle Hymn Of the Republic" at Washington's 4th.

If you don't believe me, check out youtube.com, and hear/see for yourselves.

LUVYA all

LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Sep 21 23:27:13 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

The Right Reverend Dr. Billy Sol Hargis, esq.

Location: Del Rio, TX

Subject: Forget 40, forget 30, we can help the kids in TEN days

FRIENDS....and the heathen up in the toxic waste dump called Sure Brook, we here at the industrial strength duct tape division have developed a new way to convert troublesome children into trouble-free citizens of the world.

Just send half of the money you were gonna send that other guy who's cutting in on my holy territory otherwise known as the baliwick of the Church of the Henhouse Sitters, a division of the Church of Discount Worship, located somewhere near Del Rio, TX...... And YOU will have that child under your control, say halileujah, say amen.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 23:14:41 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

As always, a wander through the BMI and ASCAP databases is endlessely fascinating. While a Canadian Ronald Hawkins has registered a song called "Forty Days", it's a different guy and presumably a different song. No doubt he has seen no end of trouble, what with unearned and unwanted royalties cheques turning up in his mailbox over the years. But the 'real' "Forty Days" is now listed among Chuck Berry's 250 writing credits, along with surprises such as "Surfin' USA" (where he is the only author) and "Beach Boys Medley" (which he shares with Roger Christian, Mike Love and Brian Wilson. Ron Hawkins (our guy) has a bunch of credits, some shared with Levon, who has listings at both BMI and ASCAP. He'd be mortified to learn that he's still listed as the only writer of "You Cheated You Lied", while Don Burch is listed as the only writer of "You Cheated" - said elsewhere to be the same song and a hit for the Shields in '58.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 22:42:02 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

CHILDABUSESUCKS.COM

Subject: HELP MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!

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Entered at Tue Sep 21 22:39:16 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Actually, Ronnie Hawkins says in the liner notes to Bear Family's "Ronnie Rocks" compilation that Morris Levy/Roulette Records were responsible for changing Thirty Days to Forty, commenting about how songs would be slightly changed by the label to gain writing royalties. It wasn't Ronnie's personal decision. He also said how the secretary for Roulette Records, I believe Levy's wife, would often get writing credit.

And Delaney Bramlett is the one who really co-wrote "My Sweet Lord" with Harrison. Harrison had asked Delaney to teach him how to write a gospel song. Delaney showed Harrison the progression, etc., and used "He's So Fine" as a basic melody to give him a quick idea of how to approach such a song. Delaney was not upset about not getting credit, though, as he said in interviews how he really didn't 'write' the song per se and recalled how Harrison got in legal trouble with the song later on.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 22:33:16 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the policeman in modern song ...

Assuming he was referring to a law-enforcement officer, between Chuck Berry's flat-top and John Lennon's flat-top we had the Coasters, the Searchers and others singing about kissing a cop down at 34th and Vine, and the Animals' hate-filled cop on a street called Love. While Berry's cop was just a foil, Lennon's was somebody to be seen / treated as a worthy human being with feet below his knees. Joni Mitchell, as we know, not only held him in her arms to feel his disease, she even kissed that Sunset Pig.

Peter V: Speaking of references and Eric Burdon and the Animals, note that the very same verse includes a brief reference to that famous song by (gasp) Pete Seeger. The obvious answer to the title, in those post Scott McKenzie days, was San Francisco.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 21:47:53 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Interesting point on the ligne donne. I think they’re different cases. Harrison inadvertently borrowed the main hook of “He’s So Fine” and the sound is pretty close. Yes, I think it’s fair to cut in the songwriter. David’s link is fascinating, because it brings up the question of the transcriber copying a grace note which also appears in”He’s So Fine.” In those days, songs were transcribed by classical graduates slaving in the dank basements of music publishers. When the AA (or AAA) or UK Ordnance Survey create maps, they create deliberate tiny insignificant errors in mapping each page so that they can prove that someone copied the map, rather than went out and measured from scratch.

I don’t feel the same way about Chuck Berry. There’s a mutual debt there. The Beatles and The Stones scraped a living playing his songs. But when they covered them he got a huge payday rather than the keys to a base model Cadillac from Chess. The Stones did him more favours than The Beatles, but also borrowed more. On “Come Together” I only see that first line as a knowing in-joke, a nod of admiration. If Chuck deserves anything off “Come Together” (and I don’t think he’s owed anything for a simple quote), it’s no more than 5%. Half is absurdly generous on John’s part and a sign of the respect they all felt for Chuck. As a ligne donne, I doubt that it was ever the starting point of writing the song. My guess is it started with “Come Together … Over me” and broadened out. I don’t know, just a feeling.

Ronnie Hawkins spoke about Forty Days. He said Thirty Days was When The Saints Go Marchin’ In with new words, and therefore he felt entitled to change a word and claim it. Not fair, I think. While the melody was a lift (so deserving of zero), the lyrics weren’t a lift. I think Chuck deserves half of Forty Days … but Ronnie doesn’t merit the other half.

The trouble is lawyers … present company excepted obviously. A


Entered at Tue Sep 21 19:45:29 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island
Web: My link

Subject: le noise

Getting pounded by Hurricane Igor and listening to 'Le Noise' on NPR. Neil and Daniel Lanois on 'Q', CBC, Friday AM.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 18:18:02 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: My Sweet Lord's Grace Note

As noted in the original court opinion in the copyright infringement case (see link), Billy Preston helped George Harrison develop the composition of "My Sweet Lord".


Entered at Tue Sep 21 17:35:25 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Berry / Beatles / Band

Any word on whether Chuck Berry's publisher chased the Beatles so assiduously re "Back In The USSR" or Ronnie Hawkins re "Forty Days"?

Although "You Can't Catch Me" seems to have dated from fairly early in Chuck's tenure at Chess (Dec '55), he was already pretty good at referencing other songs, notably his own. He manages to slip in clever references to the titles to two of his now-classic songs recorded just seven months earlier - "Maybelline" and "Wee Wee Hours". And he intros the song with a sped up riff from somebody else's "Good Morning Little School Girl".

Another song recorded at the December session was "Downbound Train", which is worth a listen because the voice he used was very closely echoed by Ronnie Hawkins in a good number of his stabs at folkier / pensive Roulette material (i.e., with Levon). And the clicking-sticks sound at the start found its echo in the campfire sounds on our guys' "Go Go Liza Jane".


Entered at Tue Sep 21 17:05:14 CEST 2010 from (199.233.178.254)

Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Plagiarism

Peter, last Thursday you spoke about the plagiarism cases involving Come Together/You Can't Catch Me and My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine.

You may be familiar with Valery's concept of the ligne donne (the "given line" and French speakers forgive my lack of diacriticals.) The idea being that a composition starts with a line or phrase that arises from the composer's own ruminations/imagination, and that the rest of composition is more or less labor to fill out the piece.

Could you see a proposition that the ligne donne for Come Together arose from the imagination of Chuck Berry, and not from the (admittedly fecund) imagination of John Lennon? That is distinguishable from a musical quote, in my estimation, which is often interpolated - the best example I can think of - Irving Berlin's Alexander's Ragtime Band contains a brief quote of Stephen Foster's Swanee River, about a measure or so.

As for My Sweet Lord, it seems to me that it is a new set of lyrics set to the entire melody and changes of the older tune.

I applaud these references. They are healthy developments, and I would never give up either Lennon's or Harrison's songs. However, I think if wealth was generated by either, the other two song writers deserved a piece of the pie. It is only fair.

It took me this long to reply but I do not disagree with a person of your experience and knowledge lightly. I look forward to your response.

Ignatius


Entered at Tue Sep 21 16:42:50 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: more singing voices

Bill M: have a listen of this one - it sure would be fun to have some Band songs available in this form. . . .


Entered at Tue Sep 21 16:20:46 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I liked Joni Mitchell's effortless high harmonies, but I liked much more I the follow-on link to PP&M harmonising on Lightfoot's "Early Morning Rain" in '66. I was half-expecting something hackneyed but found something quite beautiful.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 12:23:52 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, I asked because I swear while I was trying to open the envelope I could hear , " there ain't nobody here but us chickens", coming from inside. But, when I got it open , no sign of any chickens. Just wondering.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 12:20:29 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Things are finally looking up for Bob Dylan

As the above list will demonstrate...


Entered at Tue Sep 21 08:35:07 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: With great Trepidation, I submit

Cass as Levon (low part in chorus)

Joni as rick (mid part in chorus)

Mary as Richard (high part in chorus)

I think: though Joni and Mary might have to be swapped.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 04:45:13 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Yeah, yeah, it's special....I love it..... but:

Who's who?

Mary... Levon,,,,
Joni....Richard,,,
Cass...Rick.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 04:37:02 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Yeah yeah,it is. But who's who..., Mary... Levon,,, Cass... Rick,,,, Joni..... Richard?

Wonder if they ever did The Weight. Would have been a good vehicle for em.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 04:22:40 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Jeff (PutemUp):

As Lars said, those harmonies were gorgeous


Entered at Tue Sep 21 04:13:20 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Harmonies

Thanks for that link, that was really special.


Entered at Tue Sep 21 01:20:56 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Music From Big Pink

So, who's who?


Entered at Mon Sep 20 22:04:07 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Steve Henhouse

wouldn't you like to know!


Entered at Mon Sep 20 21:29:23 CEST 2010 from (142.22.16.53)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, BC

Subject: BIG PINK HAVE SURELY COME !

You gotta point there Norm about all them eastern suede-o intellectuals not understanding our western perspective.

For instance, if that New Jersey Devil BeelzeBumbles was still around and he read the above subject line ("Big Pink Have Surely Come!") he'd no doubt be all over me not only for my (ostensible) subject-verb agreement error, but probably even more so for my (ostensible) conflating of a Band album title with a Band song title. As I had the tedious pleasure of doing hundreds of times before, I would then have to inform him about his being "incorrect in correcting me".

Whereas you Norm, you would read the subject line and realize instantly what I was saying ie. simply that a whole mess of big salmon had arrived in the river behind our house for their Annual Acquatic Humping Festival, (hence the more colloquial term for pink salmon -"humpies").

Oh yes, in this context the word "come" could certainly mean more than simply "arrived". (Thought I'd point that out before the ever quick-witted Steve did). NB


Entered at Mon Sep 20 21:25:32 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, what really goes on in " The Henhouse". Love the external decor. Looks like, back to the land, late 70's early 80's hippie ensemble.

Never heard of Truchen cross country skis before but they look challenging. You only get one ski with a complete set of 70's vintage bindings? I'm guessing baler twine is somehow involved in keeping the other ski attached to your boot.

I'm looking forward to my first listen after all the great reviews. Thanks.


Entered at Mon Sep 20 16:20:47 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Traw

Subject: what, no pesto?

Westcoaster: Given a choice between a cheese slice between two pieces of wonder bread in the right hand and a cheese slice between two pieces of wonder bread in the left hand, any world-class urbanite would rather starve!


Entered at Mon Sep 20 15:59:34 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Unimaginative

Now there you go see. These guys from towns the size of Trana......got no imagination. Unless everything is put right in front of 'em they starve to death with a sandwich in each hand.

There's even less to do in Ocean Falls now. Only about 50 people still live there. There is a large farm fish hatchery there now. Also back many years ago, when we had the fearsome NDP (No Down Payment) government in power, and Ocean Falls was failing the gov took it over. I mean hell if a company like Crown Zellerbach who has been making pulp for over 40 years can't make a profit, of course a gov can!

It didn't take 'em long to screw that up. So they shut it all down and with an excavator ripped down all the beautiful old company houses. Sold the hydro dam & power house to a guy for a dollar. He got the financing and put power lines down to Shearwater & Bella Bella, and made over 2 million a year for several years supplying power to most the central coast. He just sold it for some rediculous price last year.

But in the summer the salmon & halibut fishing in that area is hard to beat. Also eco tourism, (example, the hot springs at Nuscall) and too many things to put down here to see and do there.

Talk to a guy there named Jimmy Owens. He was born there, still lives there in about the nicest house in Martin Valley. He worked in the mill, and for years when the big hotel ran, (for a long time, with over 400 rooms, the biggest hotel on the BC coast) Jimmy was known as Minnesota Fats, 'cause he made a damn fortune playing pool in that huge bar. As Ocean Falls is a small isolated place, they played a lot of pool and cards.

I haven't been by in a couple years now, and Jimmy's health wasn't good so I don't know if he's still above ground. In one nice waterfront house Darryl Sago started, "Sago's Salloon". Comfortable little spot to have a cold one.

The ship yard boat ways still operates. In the big shop at the mill a friend of mine who is on maintenance in the power house builds aluminum boats in the shop.

But if you don't have a boat, it's not the place to be. The big old hotel has been shut for years, and the hospital is now a hotel.....lodge. The whole scenario is sorta like "Cannery Row".

I'm goin' to work now..........Bonk, don't listen to that gawd damn Bill!..........man-oh-man-oh-man!


Entered at Mon Sep 20 15:46:31 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I've Got A Tiger By The Tail It's Plain To See

Pretty funny to read the lyrics to the song when you consider the Sanskrit word for tiger is, Viagra. Hmm, just coincidence? What's new pussy cat? Cougars? Cat scratch fever? Catacombs, wait that one doesn't fit.

Oh, and the American professor/author who's leading the fight for MALE STUDY courses in university; Lionel Tiger, of course! The guy needs a little name MAN-ipulation. Maybe, Lion El Viagra?


Entered at Mon Sep 20 15:12:08 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: Years ago I got to know a guy who said he was born and raised in Ocean Falls. I said "Ocean Falls - Ralph Hutton!" He said something like, "Yup. My older brother used to swim with him. That's all there was to do there - that or drugs." Maybe things've changed since the '60s, but better take your speedo just in case.


Entered at Mon Sep 20 12:26:12 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

Ringo was the leading man in Help, the movie. Real, Starr power.


Entered at Mon Sep 20 04:52:27 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ray Pence

You should check out Ringo Starr's All-Star Band with Rick and Levon, (Special appearance by Garth on accordion), Dr John, Jim Keltner, Nils Lofgren, Clarence Clemons, Billy Preston, Joe Walsh, and a couple of others whom I can't remember off-hand. At first, I was disappointed: after all this wasa band with comprising of The Beatles, The Band, The Rolling Stones (with Billy Preston), The Eagles, The E Street Band, and Dr John just for good measure running through a 'greatest hits'. But then I listened, and had exactly the same response that you did to Ringo's later work. Plus they're all having a ball...


Entered at Mon Sep 20 03:37:01 CEST 2010 from (24.184.234.25)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

pardon the typo, that was me before


Entered at Mon Sep 20 03:06:23 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friendo

Web: My link

Subject: EVERYBODY WANTS A PIECE OF THE ACTION

GUVERA..

FUCKING UNREAL. WEBSITE THAT YOU Can download songs from for free, but the site has advertisers pay them and the artists for the download.Sounds like you get bounced to the advertisers page or some such thing.


Entered at Mon Sep 20 00:44:56 CEST 2010 from (129.237.222.1)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: Give Ringo Starr His Due, It Hasn't Come Easy

Last night I was dial spinning and who should I find on Public Television but Richard Starkey fronting a most likable and skilled combo featuring Ben Harper. I was moved, thrilled, humbled. Can't recall when I last spent serious time listening to his music but I really enjoyed him when I was a kid/teenager and I enjoyed him just as much last night, with an entirely new perspective.

He is an appealing, no-nonsense front man, a journeyman musician who is who he is, doesn't try to be anything else, nor should he. The song that hit me the hardest was "The Other Side of Liverpool," which detailed his up and coming pre-Beatle days, a vivid account that confirmed what most people know, that Ringo had the toughest life of the 4 Beatles early on, and that's saying something. But there was no bitterness, and while the song wasn't elegant lyrically or melodically, so what?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I had basically forgotten about Ringo in a lot of ways and that the loss was mine. Catching up with him brought me a lot of bittersweetness. I admire him and I think he is preserving a lot of what the Beatles were really all about, maybe more so than Sir Paul. But Ringo's his own man, too. That came through clearly, as did the respect and love of the musicians who were privileged to play alongside him. I find him more interesting than Sir Paul and that is not meant to be a putdown of Paul, just an acknowledgment of the underdog. Plus, Ringo deserves compliments for the shape he's in every bit as much as Paul does. The man's 70 years old and could pass for 50, maybe even 45. He could be absolutely retired and relaxing, but he's not. He could rely far more on Beatles songs than he does, but he's doing compelling originals.

I'd call this a comeback, but he never went away and I'm sorry I did. A real keeper of the flame, that's Ringo.


Entered at Mon Sep 20 00:15:02 CEST 2010 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

It appears the former Quality inn where Richard ended his life has been bulldozed. Google street view shows the place still there (most recently the Winter Park Inn, with a for sale sign) but the satellite view shows an empty lot.


Entered at Sun Sep 19 05:20:34 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Ocean Falls

I just look in here before shutting down my computer and what do I find?????????

I love Ocean Falls. Spent a lot of time there. You may have been talking to Jim Walls. He's been there a few years. Around ten years ago, I worked in there with a guy who lived there. We were taking cedar out of the lake, and I showed him how to make shake blocks, (for shakes for roofing).

Link Lake is about 17 miles long and is beautiful. When the town was still going and the mills were running, there was at one time 7000 people there. All around the lake were summer cabins. Now they are all rotting and falling down. Because no one is there any more that lake is full of beautiful trout.

The ferry docks there now from Port Hardy, I think 3 times a week thru the winter. A while ago, I took 1000 tons of scrap steel away with my barge from the pulp mill.

I could go on....I'll stop now. That old Sandahouvian guy'll get mad.....thinks he's old....he probably ain't as old as me. Susan calls me a "crazy old coot" damn near ever day........harummph! Good night!


Entered at Sun Sep 19 03:35:34 CEST 2010 from (24.108.12.129)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Norm -WEST COAST TUG MAN

Hey Norm. I'm thinking of buying a fishing lodge in Ocean Falls. Ever been there?I here it might be a little to remote. I talked to the owner and lo and behold he likes the Band.


Entered at Sun Sep 19 00:28:14 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Subject: Klondike Klu Klux steamboat band

Just heard W.S. Walcott today and I've forgotten the meaning behind this reference in the lyrics. Can anyone remind me? I know it's come up here before.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 23:10:42 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: We Will Rock You

The weather's miserable but consider it a homeside advantage as The Rock of Newfoundland defeated the Prairie Wolfpack 19-8 for the Canadian rugby championship. Whoo hoo.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 16:19:24 CEST 2010 from (90.239.105.204)

Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Location: North-western coastline, Europe

Subject: Jan Hoiberg

On a serious side, I notice also that http://www.ia.hiof.no/~janh/publikasjoner.doc and CV: http://www.ia.hiof.no/~janh/cv_dec_2006.doc are in Microsoft Word format only. (Of course, not Jan's fault :-)


Entered at Sat Sep 18 15:16:29 CEST 2010 from (90.239.105.204)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: For the records only: British Columbia

Sorry. westcoaster has not mentioned British Columbia. My fault.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 14:44:18 CEST 2010 from (90.239.92.195)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: North-western coastline, Europe

Subject: British Columbia

I have noticed that it took 31 minutes and 9 seconds for westcoaster to react to my post. Good to see that I am not the only one who is getting old.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 14:03:11 CEST 2010 from (217.5.182.130)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: DE, USA now in the other DE

Subject: Maybe it was a dream...

Sitting in the only bar in the town of Grossraschen, DE last night when a version of The Night They Drove Old Dixie down, in German, played over the sound system. Could this actually have been the much maligned Juliane Werding rendition? It was by a woman, and she sang lyrics over the Na-na-na parts, but as I speak no German I couldn't tell what she was saying. I'm not sure if my life is now complete, or just over...it was pretty gruesome.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 13:22:31 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Crazy old coot!

Get with the program! You got a computer in front of you. Look it up, Powell River, British Columbia has more days of sunshine per year than Hawaii!


Entered at Sat Sep 18 12:51:12 CEST 2010 from (90.239.88.101)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: from the pier

Something's wrong with westcoaster's Saturday post: ".......grabbed a cold drink & sat down". I have visited Pacific Northwest coast a few times in September/October and I would rather have grabbed a _HOT_ drink instead. My theory is that westcoaster is fake and in real life he is playing in an ukulele quintette in Hawaii.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 05:15:40 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David P.: Thanks; Bill M.

If anyone could get an understanding of the murky situation of Michael Jackson's finances, it's you.

Bill M: I'll be laughing (in some kind of gentle solidarity) for the rest of the day on 'The Canadian'...


Entered at Sat Sep 18 02:36:04 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Dance

David P. I'm wondering if you've ever watched Tony Arata, who wrote "The Dance", play and sing it himself? It really blows me away!

Isn't it.........undescribable how some one will just happen to hit with a song, like Garth Brooks did. When Tony sings it, and his finger picking style, and his guitar dynamics are ....to me just great.

I have him on my favourites, I'm just really impressed with what the man does, and his story behind how he wrote the song, and had a second set of lyrics for it which he lost in moving....and so, it was what it was. Trying to exist in Nashville, and Garth Brooks really wanted to have it, and so he said, "Give it a shot"......yikes! a shot alright. Always interesting how these things come about, and sometimes just to survive.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 00:39:36 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: ALS Benefit Concert by Bruce Hornsby

Bruce Hornsby will do a benefit concert to raise funds for research and to raise awareness about ALS on September 25th in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Details are provided on the link to Mr. Hornsby's website provided above.


Entered at Sat Sep 18 00:07:34 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A step back in time

Came in from doing some lawn mowing.......grabbed a cold drink & sat down here and cranked on some youtube. I had a hankering for some Gram Parsons.

Listening to him singing "Satisfied Mind", and pictures flicking by of him sitting around with very young Kieth Richards and Mick Jagger, etc, etc..........shake my head. I wasn't here any more.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 20:52:23 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: pretty funny eh

A spoof of the trailer for a George Clooney movie.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 17:23:52 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

dlew919: Despite rumors to the contrary, I believe that Mr. Jackson still owned 50% of Sony/ATV publishing (including the Beatles catalog) at the time of his death. However, his financial situation was complicated by various loan agreements involving the restructuring of his debts over the years before his death. His half of the publishing was used as collateral on loans, but the last I read Sony had bailed him out and he still retained his share. In return for a more favorable interest rate on his debt, he granted Sony more operational control of the publishing, along with an exclusive option to buy out half of Jackson's stake. Reportedly, this option hadn't been exercised before his death.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 16:59:39 CEST 2010 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: Tupelo Music Hall opens in VT.

"Tupelo Music Hall" (established in Londonderry, NH for a number of yrs) just opened in White River Jct, VT. Levon opener "Bow Thayer & The Perfect Trainwreck," Dave Mason, Mark Cohn & others will be kicking off w/ opening live dates. Very cool to see a venue open rather than close its doors.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 16:55:41 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: DAvid P: Didn't Jackson sell off the Beatles catalogue?

Or am I wrong again?


Entered at Fri Sep 17 16:14:17 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Led Eva

Eva von Zeppelin once tried to prevent Led Zeppelin using her family name as she felt it would bring the name into disrepute. Better to be linked to an airship designed to bomb people, but susceptible to catching fire and killing its occupants, then.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 15:55:16 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Not to mention the manifest references to both Chuck and the Beach Boys in "Back In The USSR".


Entered at Fri Sep 17 15:37:10 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: You Can't Catch Me

It was also asserted that there were some similiarities in the melodies of the two songs. Over the passage of time, Chuck Berry now owns the publishing rights to "You Can't Catch Me" and Sony & the estate of Michael Jackson now own the rights to "Come Together".


Entered at Fri Sep 17 15:26:32 CEST 2010 from (72.178.231.165)

Posted by:

Ophelia

Location: S.E.Texas

In my constant quest for new music to feed my soul I have found The Avette Brothers! I am sure I am late on the scene with this discovery but if anyone is unaware of these guys do yourself a favor and give them a try!Poets to be sure!


Entered at Fri Sep 17 14:32:58 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: westcoaster

Sorry about that westcoaster. I spend so much time in Vancouver (Canada that is) that I wasn't thinking straight.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 12:21:49 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.189)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Run Sarah Run, Drill Baby Drill

As the head of the right wing , Swiss People's Party, said about their successful attempt to have minarets banned in that country( there were a total of four) you have to keep the message very simple or you lose your supporters.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 10:32:53 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Copyright … it’s a strange thing. As copyright infringment on video runs riot on you.tube and on illegal music downloads, the big picture gets missed and the legal actions are about nitpicking deail. An example I’ve given from an educational book. There was a text about a minor car collision, where one driver was swigging a soft drink. By the time the American editor had finished with it the text was littered with “TM” symbols, which were placed after every proper noun … Ford, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Coca-Cola. I pointed out that this was totally absurd, and listed the word “Ford” in quotes from several major American novels. They were adamant that it was their legal dept’s advice. It’s really, really stupid and makes texts unintelligible. Can you imagine reading Grapes of Wrath with “TM” every time the Joads’ Model-T is mentioned? I’d say do the opposite … if the lawyers are that worried send the publicity dept at Ford an invoice for $100 for product placement. We borrowed a Ford for a video once, and I told the story to their publicity guy who said there was no way Ford would ever chase a writer for using “Ford” in a work. What they were interested in, quite rightly, was foreign companies passing off spare parts as "Ford" parts. That was the infringement of their trademark, not John Steinbeck.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 08:35:46 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Our Favorite Melodies

Phew! What would a modern court think of this song? (Gary Criss version linked; Craig Douglas did the UK hit). It's not just titles and quotes, he also uses the melody in one bit.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 06:16:07 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Joe J John D

Hey Joe (sound like a song?)-- Thanks.I appreciate it."Cold Outside" was written by a friend and I came up with the arrangement.---JN ps--and thanks John D .I'm sure all CD's will arrive safe and sound.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 05:49:10 CEST 2010 from (74.179.208.191)

Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Web: My link

I was listening to my contemporary classical channel on Pandora the other day and heard a piece by Giancarlo Vulcano called "Portrait of Richard Manuel." See the link. He's an NYC composer, has done some cues for 30 Rock. I suppose it could be about a different Richard Manuel, but the music suggests not. It's okay, nothing earth-shattering.

They've released an alternate version of that Cee Lo song for radio called "Forget You." I haven't heard it, I don't know what they did with the "Now ain't that some..." line. The original version was intentionally released on youtube first, so that listeners would have a better appreciation for its neutered counterpart.

Peter, the court in Bridgeport Music v. Dimensional Films held that any use of a copyrighted work, regardless of its length or even whether it's recognizable, may be an infringement (although it was specifically addressing sound recordings, not compositions).


Entered at Fri Sep 17 05:44:17 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Someone posted a fantastic early 70's version of Louisiana 1927 by Randy Newman on Youtube, complete with orchestra. In fact, there are many songs from that particular concert that have been posted there.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 02:12:36 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Twillingate Isle

Subject: US Mail / Can Post

Takes a while but well worth the wait.

Don't usually email links but will certainly make an exception here.

Played it comin and goin today. Rollie adds something new to old favourites like 'The Weight' and 'Red Hot' and introduces me to songs I've never heard before like 'Desert Horizon' and 'Cold Outside'.


Entered at Fri Sep 17 00:14:45 CEST 2010 from (136.167.102.124)

Posted by:

Dave H

Peter V: Agreed. It would be hard to imagine Lennon actually losing a court case given the limited quotation of the song. Maybe he'd heard some stories about Morris Levy and decided it wasn't worth the risk?


Entered at Thu Sep 16 23:57:10 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Border Crossing

Gawd Damn it John, I'm not a Canadian....I'm from the Pacific Northwest! But really John, I know you are right, however I've had real quick service from Amazon for the last year or two. Can't figure it out, but they've been very quick.

My nose is just outta joint because those gawd damn Limeys and Aussies got to hear Jeff's CD first. They don't DESERVE IT!


Entered at Thu Sep 16 23:21:11 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Groovin' up slowly

You Can’t Catch Me and Come Together are not the same song. I always thought Lennon caved in too quickly on that one. There’s a general acceptance that a couple of lines is a quotation, and that you have to take a “substantial proportion” of an original work to be considered plagiarism. In the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine case, it was the memorable hook that was in dispute, not a line of lyric. I reckon John wanted an easy life, had great respect for Chuck Berry anyway, and recording a couple of songs was no hardship, but quotation, especially mildly humorous quotation is not plagiarism. Most of the classical composers did it with bits of folk melody. Now Surfin’ USA, another Chuck Berry example, was manifestly plagiarising Sweet Little Sixteen.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 23:09:54 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rollie's CD & Delivery Dates

I'm noticing a couple of Canadians saying that Rollie's CD has not arrived as yet. NOT your fault Rollie. As someone who has ordered a ton of CD's from the U.S. over the years, you never know; when they are going to come. Sometimes; within the week. Sometimes 10 days and other times a few weeks. It usually has to do with customs and the border. I'm sure you guys will get your CD's soon.

Recently I ordered a book through a 3rd party; under the Amazon banner. I order it at the beginning of August and I got a note back from the 3rd party that I could expect the book by Oct. 8th. I wrote them and informed then that we are right next door. Not on an island somewhere. Why two months for something you say you have in stock? I got the book; within a few days; after writing that note.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 22:57:23 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Connection between "You Can't Catch Me" / Lennon and The Hawks -- Morris Levy.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 22:30:22 CEST 2010 from (136.167.102.124)

Posted by:

Dave H

Bill M: Chuck Berry's publisher realized the same thing and sued Lennon for copyright infringement. Par of the settlement involved Lennon recording a couple of Chuck Berry songs on his Rock 'n' Roll covers album.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 21:47:02 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

Well it was a nice walk. Saw some geese headed to my neighbor's recently combined corn fields for supper but no CD. It usually takes about 10 days when I order things from the US so it's about due, not really late . Maybe tomorrow.

Don't want to disappoint Rollie, Bill, but that was me not Carly. I'd have thought you could tell by the spacey singing.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 21:27:22 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: we shouldn't even go there, but ...

Rollie: If that's what Carly was waiting for, then that's gotta be welcome news for you, eh?


Entered at Thu Sep 16 21:14:33 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

With fingers crossed I'm going to make the ten minute round trip hike to the mailbox to see if the pony express rider dropped of the CD. In the words of Carly Munson, a n t i c i p a t i o n.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 21:06:59 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Westcoaster

No problem! Send me your address( I know I have it somewhere) and we'll get another one out to you. We sent it,who knows where it ended up ! Cheers,JN


Entered at Thu Sep 16 21:04:11 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the border

Subject: Just landed

Rollie-

For what it's worth, I figured I'd report that I got my package a while ago and I'm very happy with it.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 20:51:05 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: From here to There

Hey Rollie; Yeah, I don't know.....I never got it yet. But you know my wise crack was only joking.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 20:37:52 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Westcoaster

Is that my CD you're referring to?If so ,send me your address again and we'll make sure you get it. Cheers,JN


Entered at Thu Sep 16 19:21:22 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of driving songs and Beatles lyrics, it took decades, but I finally realised, listening to Chuck Berry's "Gold" CD, that Lennon's "Here comes ol' flat-top, he comes groovin' up slowly" is a reference to Berry's "Here comes ol' flat-top, he comes moving up quickly" from "You Can't Catch Me".


Entered at Thu Sep 16 19:08:44 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: That song

Peter, Dlew I liked the song and the video was great,but I found the lyrics a bit repetitive. I think it needs "work" on the lyrics. It needs to make its message a little clearer :-)


Entered at Thu Sep 16 18:48:09 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: I'm like, good song!

dlew / Peter V: Thanks for bringing my attention to that record. Saying "Fuck you" reflects a healthier attitude than, say, "I'd rather see you dead little girl than see you with another man".


Entered at Thu Sep 16 18:35:17 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Love You Jann

Dear Jann, loved your CBC radio program this summer, say hi to your mom for me. Ha Ha.

While not insensitive to your request, my incipient writing career is not yet polished enough to advise a mega star such as yourself. Even though you've asked for my help, I feel any attempt at giving you advice might almost be considered somewhat impertinent.

You know I would die for you, if it be your will. Now that |I've turned you down, WILL, you remember me?


Entered at Thu Sep 16 17:20:06 CEST 2010 from (95.16.166.251)

Posted by:

Richard P

Location: Seville

Subject: Henhouse

Loving the music, Rollie. God bless you for sharing it with us. Current favourites: Mystery Train, Cold Outside, Move On Way from Here, I'm Gonna Go Fishing



Entered at Thu Sep 16 16:34:00 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Last Man Standing

Been gone for days......when I come home......do I get a CD I ordered about 2 weeks ago???? ......I got no CD ....Oh well.

Bill.....what in hell are you saying.....pink salmon! A pink salmon is a little humpback. These are SOCKEYE! boy. The ultimate.......the finest....the best thing you can put in your mouth on this planet! ......gawd....how do I get him to understand. You got pink on the brain just because of that old house.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 15:36:01 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Jann Arden

Location: Cowtown

Steve: This is a shot in the dark, but it's been years since my big hit and I'm still looking for a follow-up. I thought you might have some advice to give, sell or rent on how to be impertinent. Impertinent.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 14:59:40 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I see you drivin' down town with the girl I love, and I'm like...

Isn't it fantastic? It probably could have been this decade's great song (and still might be), as 'Hey Ya' was last decade


Entered at Thu Sep 16 11:17:31 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Motown

Thanks, Dlew. The Ce-Lo Green single with the problematic title has a classic Motown feel, and the video is also good (linked). I hadn't heard anything about it, but I like it.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 05:25:42 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Henhouse Tapes

Thank you "Mike Nomad" very much.Glad you enjoy it. ----JN


Entered at Thu Sep 16 03:22:18 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Motown

At the risk of offending anyone (particularlry after the last joke I posted...), has anyone heard Cee-Lo Green's latest single? I won't post to it, but it has a NSFW title, and is really, I think, telling mainstream radio where to go. The remarkable thing is that it is a fantastic Motown pastiche, to the point where I'm wondering if a) it's a sample, or b) he got some or all of the Funk Brothers in. Does any one know?


Entered at Thu Sep 16 02:56:52 CEST 2010 from (70.51.157.226)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I'm struck by the depth of Rollie's talent on the Henhouse Tapes. Who knew?


Entered at Thu Sep 16 02:33:10 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: southside

Subject: just us chickens

'Henhouse Tapes' arrived. I'm on the road tomorrow so I'll give it a good listen.

Been listenin to 'Deliverin' (thanks Put Em Up-Jeff) and 'On The Beach' (been thirty years).

TIFF fans should keep a heads up for 'Man of a Thousand Songs'.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 01:57:28 CEST 2010 from (74.70.233.8)

Posted by:

Loop

I thought "impertinence" had something to do with having sex with someone in hair curlers.


Entered at Thu Sep 16 01:06:13 CEST 2010 from (206.53.147.243)

Posted by:

David P

Any further remarks don't deserve my attention. In order not to waste any more of my time, or anyone else's, requires scrolling past all future inappropriate posts.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 23:37:11 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: David P

In spite of that, do you still want everyone to go back and reread my post?

Oh , one more thing. If you want to make your posts less wordy, or less verbose, you can stop saying" it's my opinion" in so many of your posts. It's completely unnecessary. When you put, David P, in the "Name" box we assume every opinion in the post is yours.

Verbosely yours,

Steve


Entered at Wed Sep 15 22:54:26 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You have to be heavily into Motown, Adam. Phil Collins obviously is (hence the faithful arrangements). I agree The Band versions are great because they "re-created" the songs but if I have a hankering to hear Baby Don't Do It, I'll go to Marvin Gaye first, and for Loving You, I'll go to the Four Tops first. Any Motown fan would.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 22:51:34 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Steve: As you seem not to know the meaning of give it a rest, let me put it another way. It's my opinion that your continued, verbose ramblings are taking up far too much space at this website, which was not created as a perpetual soapbox for your political dogma.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 22:51:15 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

That would be awful. The Band's backing and singing is what made their cover unique. I never understood the criticism of The Band's Motown covers. I just don't hear it. They took Loving You and Don't Do It and changed the arrangements to suit their strong suits as a band, and in every case it works beautifully. It isn't meant to sound exactly like Motown. I can live without some tambourine in Loving You. I think saying those covers aren't as good as the originals is wrong and misses the point completely.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 22:39:52 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Phil Collins: Goin' Back

It's worth a listen. The backing tracks on (eg) Uptight and Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever are so uncannily close to the originals that it gets akin to karaoke. On the other hand, the Four Tops backing on "Loving You" is "better" than The Band's backing, but utilising the original backing is something of a cop out. Better would be Rick Danko's voice + the Phil Collins backing track. (But best would be The Four Tops original).


Entered at Wed Sep 15 21:57:26 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

David P, now you're being inconsistent( I know you're a little touchy so I'll stick with inconsistent).

First you give me shit( lets avoid all the 35 cent words)for making the post but now you want everyone to go back and study it in detail.

Let me save the scrolling energy. In summary, there are good guys and bad guys on both sides and that's as much true on September 11th as it is on February 21st.

I know there are people , maybe you're one of them, who have a definite idea on what a respectable distance to keep mosques from the towers is. Now there appears to be, do not cross lines, being drawn on the calender as well. Aren't you the guys that are tattooed with "free speech" on your asses at birth?

One more, Sadavid; Indolent earns you a kick in the ass.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 21:33:11 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: do I dare to breach the peace

Richard P de Seville: It might be imprudent of you to open that discussion . . . .


Entered at Wed Sep 15 21:21:40 CEST 2010 from (95.16.167.138)

Posted by:

Richard P

Location: Seville

sadavid. Your definition of 'impertinent' is one that my English students in Saudi will relate to. However, explaining the context of its usage here in the guest book might be trickier.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 21:15:56 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Ah, we've successfully mapped an area of idiolectical overlap.

I told the wife I had an ideolect, she said that sounded about right . . . .


Entered at Wed Sep 15 20:53:40 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

That's memorable and accurate for me, sadavid.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 20:39:34 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: return on investment

"Impertinent" earns an exasperated glance.

"Impudent" earns a verbal warning.

"Insolent" earns an interview with The Principal.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 20:38:32 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Impertinent

Rather than continue to split hairs over the definition, I suggest you examine the inappropriate remarks I addressed in similiar detail.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 20:14:59 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Joan. That's exactly how I'd define it in the UK too … we'll have to say it's David's idiolect (if that's OK with David).


Entered at Wed Sep 15 20:05:38 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: something's fishy at the GB

Last week Westcoaster was talking about the big pink salmon and now David P's talking about the Big Pink bass.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 19:40:46 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Blame It On Canada

Hmmm. So, Peter, does that mean once you become a grandad you are removed from the dad club? If so I think that's a rather impertinent ( Franco Saxon usage) intrusion by whoever made that ruling. If not, well..........Never Mind.

Now that we have the planet's biggest asshole, Neo Christiancon, running the show in the still, somewhat free, world ( a term people will have to google some day )here's a tidbit from the front lines.

Stevie Harpo has returned a tarnished former cabinet minister, Christian Paradis, to the inner circle by giving him a newly created position that's right out of the Cheneny Bush playbook.

From now on all gov't scientists have to get clearance from Christian Paradis( Franco Saxon translation, Christian Paradise) before being able to release their findings to the public. Right now a geologist is having his findings withheld because the report talks about the earth 13,000 years ago, which Harpo and fellow believers know god made only 6,000 years ago.Harpo wants to make sure misleading info like this doesn't get disseminated any wider than it already is.

I know, I know, hard to believe but true.

Christian Paradise was canned as, Minister Of Intergovernmental Affairs( really that's the name), a couple of years back when he accidentally left some Classified NATO briefing notes concerning the War in Afghanistan at his girlfriend's house. The notes were there for a couple of months before his x girlfriend found them. and started waving them around in public. His girlfriend had also moved on to her next man, one of Canada's top Hell's Angels.

Bill, is that like going from Heaven to Hell? I ask you because you seem to know these kind of things.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 19:32:09 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Impertinent

I've always heard it used as "fresh" "sassy" "talking back". It would be said by someone in power to a lesser "being" i.e A strict parent to a child or a teacher to a student.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 19:01:23 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Forgive me if I posted this … I was going to, but don’t think I got round to it.

In the interviews for his new CD, Phil Collins recounted how he was engaged to play bongos (?) on a track on All Things Must Pass. He played for two hours. Anyway, the album came out, he wasn’t credited, and he couldn’t hear his contribution anyway.

So the years rolled by. He was in a studio and they were remastering All Things Must Pass nearby. He mentioned that he’d been on it, but had never been able to hear his bit. A few days later a tape arrived at his house labelled “All Things Must Pass: remix with bongos brought up.” He raced to the tape recorder and put it on, and to his horror the bongos had been mixed loudly to the fore and were totally inept; absolutely horrible. He was devastated.

A few minutes later the phone rang. It was George Harrison to ask him if he’d got the tape. He said he had and apologized for his playing. Harrison then explained that it was a set up, and it wasn’t him. They’d got Ray Cooper to add some terrible bongos in the studio as a practical joke.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 18:34:54 CEST 2010 from (90.239.71.153)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Mainly to Bill M about misshearings : "I'll kill you!"

Finnish maidens were housekeepers in many families in Wisconsin in the beginning of the 20th century. They looked after the kids. Unfortunately "don't yell" is in Finnish "älä kilju". In American ears it is like "I'll kill you".


Entered at Wed Sep 15 18:18:07 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Phil Collins

As I recall, Phil Collins previously had a hit single with his cover version of Holland-Dozier-Holland's "You Can't Hurry Love" back in the early '80s. For a Band connection, Mr. Collins' new album includes a cover of "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever".

I recently revisited The Band's live version of "Loving You..." from Woodstock '69 and noticed that, in addition to Rick's great vocals, Robbie's guitar (mixed way upfront) is a fine example of concise energetic playing. Just listen to the high notes he hits in the solo!


Entered at Wed Sep 15 17:57:25 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Funk Brothers

Phil Collins' new set of Motown covers has a back cover note from Lamont Dozier explaining that The remaining Funk Brothers played on it and how wonderful it is (and has several Holland-Dozier-Holland songs).

Naturally, for a set of Motown covers, backed by Motown's session guys Phil had to issue it on the classic soul label. And he did. It's on Atlantic!


Entered at Wed Sep 15 17:44:54 CEST 2010 from (95.16.167.138)

Posted by:

Richard P

Subject: Jeff's CD

Hi folks,

Just wanted to point out to those in the UK that it took exactly one week from order to delivery for Jeff's CD to arrive.

Unfortunately, as I'm not in the UK right now, I'm having the wife rip it and email it over a track at a time ...

Can't wait to hear it!

RP


Entered at Wed Sep 15 17:08:04 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: MFBP / MFSL

Simon: Yes, it [the restored bass from the master tape] also applies to the redbook layer of the current hybrid-SACD, as well as the out-of-print MFSL gold-CD and LP versions from the '80s.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 16:55:20 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Peter, a genuine LOL at the druid quote. It's interesting how word meanings can change over time. The word 'outrage' originally meant "over-the-top, excessive behaviour". Similarly 'luxury' used to mean - in Ye Olde Days - "lasciviousness, sinful self-indulgence." Now we'd think of it as entirely positive.

David - I take it that also applies to the redbook layer of the MFSL Music from Big Pink? They're a bit expensive over here but I might be able to get one for a decent price. (I don't own a SACD player and don't plan on getting one unless maybe I can get a real bargain.)

You're welcome, Bill.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 16:31:22 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Simon: Thanks for the Mingus link.

Todd: Maybe Cleveland Texas was named after that president?

Northwestcoaster: With respect to mishearing "Lay Lady Lay", it wasn't until hearing Eugene Smith sing the song live in the 1990s that I realised that the line wasn't "his thoughts are dirty but his hands are clean" - but "his clothes are dirty ...". I still prefer my original impression, but likely for nostalgic rather than artistic reasons.

John D: The Mandala reissue arrived yesterday. Sounds great. Did you notice how they left in some of the Troiano guitar solos that were cut out of the '69 LP? And not just on "Mellow Carmello Palumbo" - which is still brilliant, despite the backwards-tape effects. And Whitey Glan throughout! And Arif Marden's arrangement on "Love Itis"!


Entered at Wed Sep 15 16:13:48 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Buffalo Springfield...and MUSIC FROM BIG PINK

I would LOVE to see that Buffalo Springfield reunion. Neil and Stephen should do a full Buffalo Springfield tour to get the great Richie Furay out in front of larger audiences than he usually draws. I saw him a couple of years ago and his voice is a still a wonder--perhaps because he's been a full-time minister for the last couple of decades while putting his music career on the back burner. They might want to add latter-day Springfield face Jim Messina to the mix just for the extra harmony and punch.

There's a new ROLLING STONE list of top ten debut albums of all time and MUSIC FROM BIG PINK made it!


Entered at Wed Sep 15 15:56:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Big Bass From Big Pink

As I mentioned recently, the best reference quality version of "Music From Big Pink" is the currently available hybrid-SACD from Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab. It restores the low bass that was rolled-off by Capitol's cutting engineers who prepared the original LP version.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 15:37:49 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Many thanks, David. So Capitol switched logos in 1969 in the US. I know the rainbow band one (rarely used here). It means that the Big Pink they had was a later pressing from around the brown album time or later.

On "impertinent" I was interested from the US / British English point of view (so often my job!). As Simon's note said, here it's very strongly the "impudent / cheeky" use that comes first. I'd say "disrespectful" next, and that "not pertinent" has replaced "impertinent" in the original sense. It's a bit like "naughty" which carried the weight of "very wicked; evil" in Shakespeare's day, but now means a child doing something a bit silly and wrong. So much so that it's hard to play some lines, "You naughty King!", without getting an "impertinent" laugh. In Britain "impertinent" has weakened in meaning in a very similar way to "naughty". I wondered how much it had retained the "strong" meaning in America.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 15:22:33 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Pertinent

The original U.S. LP pressings of "Music From Big Pink" featured a black label with a rainbow colored band and the Capitol dome logo. By the time of the Brown Album release, Capitol had switched to a lime green label.

Levon covers Dylan's "It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry" on the Imus Ranch Record II compilation due to be released next month.

My use of "impertinent" the other day was used to include more than one of that word's various definitions. In addition to irrevelant and inappropriate, there's not showing proper respect or manners, in that the remarks I was addressing came following the anniversary of a tragic day in my country's history.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 15:21:32 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: some of its parts

Article on the Lennon / McCartney dynamic (first in a promised series on "Creative Pairs").


Entered at Wed Sep 15 15:13:32 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Homer & 1972

Homer may have been right about 1972, but it shows the dilemma of very long running series. In 2010, someone who thinks music peaked in 1972 is going to be a grandad not a dad.It's like William books by Richmal Crompton, written between 1921 and 1965, and William always remains eleven.

Anway, Matt Groeneg made an astute choice of year. We had this discussion about the glow hovering around music of 1966-69, but the stuff that came out 1971-73 makes it an equally stellar period.


Entered at Wed Sep 15 13:50:13 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stand up for teachers

Simon, The Duke of Edinburgh uses the same technique. I went to an educational awards event, and we were all coached before he came in and told, 'You must stand up when the Duke enters the room.' So we all duly stood, and he said, 'Good Lord! Sit down, we don't need any of that bloody nonsense!' making us all think 'What a nice bloke!' (a feeling that persists twenty years later). OK, it was staged, but still just as effective.

It reminds me of the advice a druid once gave at Glastonbury. He said after years seeking wisdom, he eventually found it printed on the back of a bottle of bleach in a toilet:

"Stand upright in a cool place."


Entered at Wed Sep 15 12:49:58 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.191)

Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, Jeff.

Dlew, did you know Homer and I are both married to Marge? That' all I can say about that, dooooh!


Entered at Wed Sep 15 04:57:05 CEST 2010 from (24.184.234.25)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Springfield

Joe Vitale On drums, ....Rosas on bass


Entered at Wed Sep 15 01:50:41 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve: As homer simpson said

'It's a scientific fact music reached its peak in 1972.'

As a result, I refuse to countenance anything new until it's old!


Entered at Tue Sep 14 23:39:38 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Hey, Dlew I thought we were 12 hours behind you not 5 years ahead. Nuk Yuk Nuk and so on and so forth.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 22:40:29 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: An impertinent addition...

'Disrespect' is still used, though I think as an active verb. And 'the kids' today contract it, and use it thus: 'Don't dis me, man'. I can't help feeling it's a transitive or passive verb, if indeed 'disrespect' is a verb at all. I suppose 'dis' might be a contraction of 'disparage', but I hear them say 'disrespect...'

But i don't really know.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 22:29:26 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Peter, once you got to a certain age, say about fifteen, most of the teachers would insist we didn't stand when they came into the room. They'd say something like Oh for God's sake there's no need for that now. They were quite affable by about third or fourth year. It was different in the first year though. Definite intimidation. For me the word pertinent is now forever associated with Lester and Prez on "The Wire", especially season one. ("Are you going to log that call as non-pertinent, detective?")


Entered at Tue Sep 14 22:00:55 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Northwestcoaster, Bonnie and Clyde made me run for cover.

I took the Canadian understanding of impertinent from the post which also seems to be the British one.

OK Put Em Up, I've given you all day to announce the acoustic concert that is going to be given by Buffalo Springfield ( Neil, Richie and Steve) in California.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 21:44:00 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Simon, at my school in the early 60s, impertinent meant forgetting to say "Sir" to a teacher, no, actually that was a capital offence; maybe it was saying "Sir" without enough deference. "Impertinent" is definitely teacher (or rather "schoolmaster") to pupil.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 20:25:42 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Bill - I noticed the Guardian have an ongoing "50 Great Moments in Jazz" series - see link. I've only just started reading but it's worth a look as there are reader comments and recommendations. The latest installment is on Mingus.

Peter, one of my teachers used to say things like "any more of your impertinence and I'll give you detention." I always took it to mean cheekiness.

Thanks to BEG, Jersey Girl and Joan for the Allen Ginsberg posts. I haven't had many 'brushes with greatness' but I met him and John Cooper Clarke (a/k/a "the backcombed bard of Salford") backstage after a poetry night at the Neptune in Liverpool in the early to mid '80s.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 19:55:12 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Music from Big Pink label

Query here … what was the centre label like on an original US 1968 copy of Big Pink? I ask because I saw a copy in a secondhand charity store, Oxfam, today. It was an American copy with gatefold, which is very rare here (British ones were not gatefold). Anyway, they wanted a swingeing £27.99 ($43.59). I was surprised because a mint British 1968 copy is "booked" at £25 in the Rare Record Guide. Mint means "as new, unplayed." This was very slightly worn on the cover, so probably "excellent" or £20. Out of curiosity, I asked to look at the disc which had a bright round green label, with a purplish Capitol simple "C" logo. In Britain, that logo first appears around three years later in 1971, and the 1968 original has a black label with a white oval with Capitol in cursive script under the logo of the Capitol in Washington. I said I was pretty sure that plain "C" logo was three years later so the disc wasn't an "original issue."

Am I right?

David as the most likely to know … a language query also, if you don't mind. (Not trying to be funny). I was interested in your use of "impertinent" yesterday. I assume you meant "not pertinent" in the original sense of "impertinent" which is "irrelevant". I ask because certainly in my lifetime in British English that use has all but disappeared, and the primary meaning now would be "impudent" or "cheeky." There's another one, "disrespectful" but I don't see it that way nowadays. Is the US use of "impertinent" still primarily "irrelevant."? Here we'd confine "impertinent" to history and say "not pertinent." I first read it as "impudent" which came across as an odd reaction, then realized it must be "irrelevant".


Entered at Tue Sep 14 19:34:15 CEST 2010 from (90.239.98.28)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Bonnie and Clyde

My guess: Monsieur Gainsbourg heard "Lay Lady Lay" as "Des Laids Des Laids" which was the title of his song. - Does anyone still remember EARL SCRUGGS's banjo playing in Bonnie and Clyde movie? It made me to run to a music store and get a banjo.

BTW monsieur Gainsbourg was a "northwestcoaster" against his will. He was married to "la petite Anglaise" who had a house in Bretagne with a terrible weather. At the same time bikini babies where by the sunny Mediterranean Sea.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 19:26:23 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

At least one of Leonard's songs also made it on to the sound track of the must see movie ( if it comes close to the book), Barney's Version, by another Montrealer, Mordecai Richler. Barney's Version certainly is right there on the short list of best Canadian novels.

An ideal world is not a possibility , Todd, but a better one should be the goal and the people we elect don't really seem to be interested in heading in that direction, most of the time.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 19:09:52 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Allen Ginsburg

From a NY Times piece about the show in Washington


Entered at Tue Sep 14 18:56:32 CEST 2010 from (90.239.98.28)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: "Bonnie and Clyde" by Gainsbourg

Monsieur Gainsbourg didn't speak English but had a pressure to write songs with a title which could be familiar to English speaking population. "Bonnie and Clyde" and "Harley Davidson" are some of them. He has written a "lay-lady-lay" song too.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 18:31:17 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Look Out Cleveland

Bill M., I don't suppose that 'Look Out Cleveland' had anything to do with former US President Grover Cleveland?


Entered at Tue Sep 14 18:15:20 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: even Richard Nixon ...

Speaking of Abraham Lincoln, am I correct in thinking that he was the only US president edited out of a Band song? (Carter was there in spirit in "Georgia", but that's different.)


Entered at Tue Sep 14 17:52:52 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: the hungary eye

. . . and _McCabe_ ace cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond also worked on _The Last Waltz_.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 17:33:49 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Peace

Steve, I wasn't suggesting that you alone were blaming the US. when I wrote "It’s more complicated than blaming the United States for all of the world’s problems." But we certainly have been a popular target over the years.

You obviously have strong feelings about this issue, and I'm not trying to change your mind, or even justify war. My point in posting the other day was re: my personal reaction to the events on 9-11-2001 and how they affected me. It's not my intention to justify anyone's war or defend it. And I actually think that we're supposed to avoid too much of that kind of talk here on The Band website. Which is why I've attempted a few times from continuing the discussion. So I will step back from the issue at this time. I would agree that in an ideal world peaceful solutions to conflicts would always be the best course of action. But once you get people involved, that ideal kind of goes out the window.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 17:33:02 CEST 2010 from (206.53.157.166)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Songs of L. Cohen

And the "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" soundtrack featured songs from Leonard Cohen's first album which was produced by John Simon.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 17:05:14 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: where have all the flowers gone?

Steve: I think I saw something in the paper the other day about some guy out west rewriting one of Pete Seeger's verses to read, "Where have all the young girls gone, long time passing / ... / Where have all the young girls gone / Gone to Warren every one ..." Every friggin' one.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 16:48:59 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, please respond only to what I post, not to what you read into it. I'm trying to make my posts simple ( like I have a choice). I haven't hung anything on the US beyond, as BUMBLES would say, " the accepted facts".

As far as occupying Iraq goes, for whatever fucking reasons, what gives us the right to do it? It's like, if we decide something is necessary, we'll do it. That might be the reason that " unprovoked military invasions are considered war crimes. That could be another place to start looking for the answers to some of our problems.

Who wants their country invaded, laid waste to, even if it's for someone's idea of it being for the greater good. Is that something you'd accept? I wouldn't.

Like the war on crime that just seems to produce more criminals and more crime, the war on terrorism appears to be creating more terrorists and more terror.

Instead of buying into the hatred of others( and it's a never-ending scroll of culprits)that some politicians base their careers on why not give some thought to what someone, who many of us admire, ( Yes, Peter you're excused) thinks, when he writes, "when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?"

In Lincoln's first inaugural address he said," we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any state or territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes."

He was talking about internal US matters, of course, but here is one place that " The Golden Rule" has to be applied for the good of us all.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 15:58:59 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: shed no tears for the runner-up

sadavid: Surely it couldn't have been all that bad for you way back when, what with all the lasses of Manitoba and Saskatchewan having no one to turn to whenever Warren wasn't in town.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 15:16:38 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Simon: The "Bonnie And Clyde" song that I remember from my late childhood was Georgie Fame's hit version. The Gainsbourg / Bardot number that I have on a Mojo comp, which I think of as "Bonnie et Claude", is a different song.

Another contender for the Buffalo Springfield drumstool might be Sonny Milne, who replaced Dewey Martin for the final Buffalo Springfield Revisited shows at the El Mocambo in Toronto. (Palmer was still in the group, which otherwise consisted of talented soundalikes.) Sonny has a decent claim to being the GB favourite, seeing as there's photographic evidence showing him onstage with our guys when a Disciple and seeing as how he took over for Levon when our guys left Hawkins.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 15:09:37 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Robbie Reads

Thanks Jersey Girl. I watched the clip of Robbie reading Ginsberg again. I didn’t catch the missing “d” the first time. I suppose that would have been a typo. And I missed the fact that he was asking about an apostrophe instead of a comma. Looking at it again it almost seems like it does need a comma. The earlier lines in that stanza have them, But I’m sure Ginsberg must have been deliberate about the way he presented it.. Either way, it’s an impressive piece of writing.

Now that I watch it again, I’m struck with the similarity of Robbie’s delivery of the Ginsberg piece with his spoken word parts of ‘Somewhere Down the Crazy River’ from his first solo album…..”The distant red neon shivered in the heat”.

Enjoy your time on the mid-coast of Maine. Must be nice this time of year. If you have time for a day trip to an island, you can catch a ferry out of Port Clyde to Monhegan Island, which is about 10 miles offshore. You probably know about Monhegan already, but if you don’t, it’s like a step back in time. And has been an inspiration for many of the local artists over the years including Bellows & Wyeth. Thanks for the offer to pick up the Sam Cooke album, but since I’m already familiar with it, I though it would be better to leave it there for someone else to discover.

Steve, I have many ideas about the strategic defense importance of Iraq to the overall balance of power and prospects for peace in the region, and it doesn’t involve oil, WMD’s, or imperialistic greed. But I don’t think any of those issues will be solved here. It’s more complicated than blaming the United States for all of the world’s problems.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 15:06:12 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: kiss an' tell

Just the mention of W. Beatty gives me the formication -- but then I remember his association with _McCabe and Mrs. Miller_, surely among the top few masterpieces of the cinematic arts in the 1900s. Still doesn't excuse his taking so much more than his fair share that my share's been miserably reduced . . . .


Entered at Tue Sep 14 12:47:03 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Of course, Todd. I'm simply ( as David has stated) making the point that there are terrorists on both sides of this conflict and I think we have to recognize that instead of closing down discussion with the terrorist accusation.

Saudis plan, finance and carry out an attack on the US and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan pay the price. Now, there's a place to start looking.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 06:38:50 CEST 2010 from (72.227.113.245)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: that Sam Cooke vinyl

By the way, Todd, I'm in South Thomaston on vacation right now, and will be in Camden tomorrow for lunch. Want me to pick up that record for you? (It is a small world in the GB, for sure.)


Entered at Tue Sep 14 06:21:51 CEST 2010 from (72.227.113.245)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: the typo

I don't have BEG's link handy to check it, Todd, but my recollection is that the copy Robbie was reading from had the word "an" instead of "and," rendering the sentence incomprehensible. When Robbie questioned it, the woman handling the readings told him it was "and" and the "d" was missing, so he said -- correctly -- that there should have been an apostrophe in its place to make the meaning clear. She then said the word should have been "and," and that's the way he read it. That's also the way BEG had it in her post and you had it in yours. Does that help?


Entered at Tue Sep 14 05:10:58 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Robbie Reads Ginsberg

I enjoyed the video that BEG linked to recently of various folks reading Allen Ginsberg poems. I though that Robbie did a nice job reading 'Song'. But I was a little confused about the first or second attempt. I've pasted what I think is the relevant section:

The warm bodies
shine together
in the darkness,
the hand moves
to the center
of the flesh,
the skin trembles
in happiness
and the soul comes
joyful to the eye--

It seemed that Robbie wasn't putting enough of a pause at first after the happiness line, but he stuck with it until it sounded correct. I think that's the perfectionism that BEG mentioned. But Jersey Girl mentioned a typo which I'm not sure about. Is the suggestion, as Robbie mentions in the clip, that there should be a comma after happiness? We don't know what copy Robbie was reading from.....there could have been a typo, or perhaps the line spacing was different. Or is he suggesting that Allen Ginsberg made a mistake by not putting a comma there?


Entered at Tue Sep 14 04:49:36 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Steve, It's good to know that you have empathy for the people of Iraq who suffered. Hopefully you have empathy for your neighbors in the country to the South of you as well. War is tragic, and the terror attacks against us on 9-11 were also tragic. But I wouldn't be so quick to equate the tactics or ideology. And that's all that I will say about that.

A few weeks ago Northern Boy was gushing about Amy Helm's lively performance of 'Ain't That Good News'. I was also very impressed with a clip of her singing that from a Road Ramble at Floydfest from July of this year. I was in Maine a couple of weeks ago on vacation with that song in my head, and wandered into a used book store in Camden. In a corner of the room there was a small stack of used vinyl. On top of the stack was an original LP of Sam Cooke's 'Ain't That Good News'. Not something that you see every day, but it still amazes me how often discussions from the GB pop up in real life too.......even on vacation.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 03:55:05 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Carly Simon

Band connection: She claimed that Robbie stood her up. True? who knows?

Recently said "You're so vain" is about David Geffen. I was disappointed.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 02:57:09 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Buffalo Springfield

Still, Furay, and Young, the still living original members, are reuniting at the Bridge School Concerts. No mention of the drummer and bass player. Jim Messina, who was a member, is still kicking of course. both Jim Fielder and Randy Mesiner performed &/or recorded with them, and are alive. Drums, well who wouldn't want that spot? If it weren't for his stroke stopping him, I'd be voting for George Grantham. 95% i'm going, don't think I can talk myself out of this one.



Entered at Tue Sep 14 02:10:38 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: My castle

David- This groveling servant of yours named "Steve" displeases me. Please have him flogged as soon as possible.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 01:54:26 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.187)

Posted by:

Steve

Sorry, David, I have to change the channel and get back to music. It was fun.

Next Friday, the 24th, Jian Ghomeshi ( CBC RADIO Q) will be broadcasting a one hour interview he did last week with Neil and Daniel at Neil's place. They both wore hats, is all he's allowed to leak out so far about the content.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 01:29:26 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

As chance would have it last night I found this promo clip of "Bonnie and Clyde" by Serge Gainsbourg & Brigitte Bardot. Not sure but I think it's from 1967. Always liked the tune and can vaguely recall it from childhood. Plus you get to see BB's garter.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 01:04:37 CEST 2010 from (129.237.222.1)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: warren beatty

he was at the Dylan/Band show at the LA Forum in '74, wasn't he? that's a big mark in his favor. as is Bonnie and Clyde, which I've been showing in one of my classes. What a masterpiece. And, I might add, appreciated in Britain before it broke in America, and still the topic of great analysis among British film writers. Pretty much around the same time that England was embracing one James Marshall Hendrix.

Doesn't Bonnie and Clyde's Michael J Pollard have a Band connection? or is that Brad Dourif? or both? Michael J. has said he based his characterization in B+C on his love of Blonde on Blonde, and believe it or not, Beatty wanted Dylan to play Clyde, back when Beatty was going to just produce, not star in the movie.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 01:03:33 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.187)

Posted by:

Steve

Oh, but you did so much more, David, don't be modest.

It's not complex at all, really, it's been studied to death( excuse the pun). Greed and a need to control people by imposing your will. It can pretty well be sugared down to a few basics. You see it's simple, which makes me just the guy to explain it.

Damn, I just went back and read your post again and I get the feeling you might be talking about the other terrorists, the ones that resemble the Princeton Dictionary terrorists. To quote America's favorite 70's editorialist, Roseanne Roseanna Dana, NEVER MIND.

Sorry Bill, I promise not to do it again, til next time. OK?


Entered at Tue Sep 14 00:55:01 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, I think she said it was Warren Beatty. Or Warren Beatty said it was Warren Beatty. But then he's so vain he probably thinks this post is about him.


Entered at Tue Sep 14 00:26:00 CEST 2010 from (206.53.147.187)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Google This

I stated my opinion that this is not the time or place to prick open wounds. I will not further trivialize the complex subject of what motivates people to cause senseless death and suffering throughout the world by engaging in useless debate in a place maintained for musical Bandwidth.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 23:53:23 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: You're so impertent, you prob'ly think this post's about you

Steve: Must you make reference to the songs of Carly Simons here at the GB, especially that one about the spy who loved her? (James Taylor? Mick Jagger? David Geffen?) Could've been worse: you could have chosen to quote from "Anticipation". (Makes me wonder if anyone ever offered to step up to the task just to make her end the song sooner?)


Entered at Mon Sep 13 23:37:31 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.187)

Posted by:

Steve

Damn, I should always read what I'm going to post before doing so, David, I don't want you to think I'm calling you a new age sensitive guy when I clearly meant , sensitive new age guy. A few more years and I should get the order of reading and posting down. Simple, no kidding!


Entered at Mon Sep 13 23:33:26 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.187)

Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Sorry David, I would have responded quicker but I had to google,impertinent, and with dial up that can take time.

Now when it comes to hurling insults I bow to you on that one, as the song says, " no one does it better".

Why, may I ask do you find impertinent ( glad I now know what it means) remarks in this forum especially insulting. Just a new age sensitive guy? David, I hope you appreciate I'm trying to keep this musical.

Thanks for the new word, I'm looking forward to the next simplistic lecturer I run into so I can give it a whirl. Damn, I've already forgotten what it means, well.........back to google. But first David, I suggest you check out the link above. While trying to get the definition of terrorist straight before making some overly simplistic analogies I stumbled on this link to Princeton's University's, free on-line dictionary. Make sure to check out the Thesaurus section.

Now that's making things real simple for us simple folks. I for one appreciate when someone goes the extra mile to make sure I'm getting the picture. I always learn better with illustrations, don't you? Other wise it can be hard to pick out the good guys from the bad guys, especially if they're not wearing black and white hats.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 22:32:40 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Adding Insult To Injury

Please post your simplistic analogies & lectures regarding terrorism elsewhere. Following the anniversary of the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001, I find such impertinent remarks in this forum especially insulting.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 22:26:09 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Those Jimi mp3s have been taken down and replaced with 30 second Real Player samples. I thought it was a bit odd for them to be giving away a full hour of music for free.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 21:40:08 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.187)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, I'm sure you're aware of the existence of state terrorism. It's when the big guys play the game.

To me the most serious act of state terrorism in recent memory was the build up to the invasion of Iraq.

You were in NY on 9-11 and no doubt were permanently effected by the horrors of the day.

Now, think of the terror you would have experienced if for months before that day Saddam had gone on TV explaining that he was going to deliver to NY the greatest show of military force ever seen, and he had a name for it; Shock And Awe.Hundreds of missiles would be fired into the city and then a large scale military assault would begin on the coast of NY and New Jersey and head into the city.

You know he means it, you know there is no way to stop him and now you just have to wait til he's got all the pieces in place to bring this apocalypse of horror down on your city. You've done nothing that you should be punished for, but the Great Satan on the other side of the planet has decided this is your fate.\ n Then after he does it your society is basically destroyed, for years your relatives and neighbors are murdered, often in the most horrific ways. Hundreds of thousands die, millions sell everything they have and leave the country. All public services are non existent. You can't trust anyone.

And in the end the reasons given for the destruction of your way of life turn out to have not really existed or just been straight out lies. Now that is a serious case of terrorism. And by the time Bush and Cheney launched there terror almost 80% of Americans backed them. That's a staggering thought, isn't it.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 21:10:37 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There’s never a “justification” for killing innocent people, nor could there be. But trying to understand WHY people got that twisted might point to ways of avoiding it in future. I agree that Obama’s mediation is the best chance in many years. But it’s one hell of a hill to climb. And we ("the West") helped to build the hill.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 20:25:32 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

I should've added that those mp3s - ten of them - are downloadable in full from the official Hendrix site; just click on the highlighted items in the tracklisting. There are also supposed to be remastered reissues of a couple of Kinks albums on the way - "Something Else by the Kinks" and "Arthur". They might similar to the "Village Green Preservation Society" set of a few years back. There'll also be a one disc sampler of the Dylan mono stuff ... this will feature Positively Fourth Street.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 19:02:10 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Forthcoming Jimi Hendrix box set

See link for details of the new Hendrix box set at the official site. There are also some full mp3 previews available ("Tears of Rage" for a Band connection) in the tracklisting. I like the way the first disc covers the sideman years. Nice cover artwork too.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 18:58:55 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Todd / Peter V: Before we leave this topic, let me say that discussions about terrorism can fluctuate widely just in trying to explain it. It's also worth keeping in mind that one person's explanation is another person's justification - and vice versa. In both in the here-and-now and eventually the history books. Just consider Virgil Caine and his brother - and the la-las and na-nas of the chorus.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 18:45:25 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Peter, Thanks for the info on the Basement Boot. I'll make a note of that one

All I can say is I'm glad that I'm not the teacher in your scenario. I suppose any discussion about terrorism can fluctuate depending upon whether one is trying to explain it vs. justify it. My opinion is that it is never justified, and must be denounced. I'll have to leave the details of World peace to the experts. Fortunately we have a charismatic leader that the World approves of. There should be no more trouble now that everyone loves us again. ;-)


Entered at Mon Sep 13 17:42:49 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Todd: I’d say the new one is the best I’ve heard. It was also cheap … £6 instead of £12 to £25. There are a lot of new ones … I saw them on Sunday at Reading record fair but didn’t investigate closely. There was a note on What’s New last year that a stereo security master had turned up. These are stereo.

On terrorism. Imagine you’re the teacher on playground duty in charge of discipline and keeping the peace. It’s a rough school, and one gang consistently takes the other’s lunch money for years, then even shoves them out of their classroom onto a bit of waste ground next to the garbage bins. Then puts up a fence and won’t let them leave it. You could have tried to mediate, but instead you stood back, smiled and encouraged the lunch-money takers year after year, praised them in fact and supplied them with weapons to make their task easier. Then the victims grow up, and you express extreme surprise when you find they dislike you.

By “you” I mean “we” for my country was as culpable as yours. “We” in general expressed obvious preference for one gang, partly because we’d let another extremely nasty gang up the road nearly wipe them out a few years before, so we felt guilty, and rightly so, but also because we had far greater cultural and familial ties with them. Trouble is, having got to that point, we aren’t seen as an impartial mediator, and won’t ever be. The reasonable voices among the victims, and there used to be many, have been squashed by the most aggressive ones. And the trouble is any time anyone goes near the fence a bit of garbage gets lobbed over at them. We need to pull the fence down and let them have their classroom back, but we know that as soon as we do the most almighty fight will break out.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 17:10:19 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

It seems to me that the only thing that terrorists understand is force. Any other response is seen as weakness and fuels their tactics. It’s probably futile to try to understand the reasons for terrorism, and I’m not convinced that if the United States (and other countries) changed its policies, that terrorism would cease to exist. Instead it might be seen as a validation of their methods. Terrorism in one form or another surely predates the United States and its current foreign policies. It would be convenient to blame it on one thing, but I’m not sure that would cover it.

If you let a bully take your lunch money on Monday, then he’ll be back for more on Tuesday.

Regardless, I’m pretty certain that it’s not a problem that I can solve here on these pages. My main point for posting re: 9-11 was the way that event affected me personally and changed my outlook on the threat of terrorism. Being in NYC on that day, for me, changed it from a news story to a real life story that I could see, hear, and smell, and transformed the threat from theoretical to actual.

So………..since this is a music site, I should probably keep the topic to music. Re: The Basement Boots, the one that Peter mentioned sounds interesting. I noticed recently that someone named Philip Cohen has assemble a reconstruction of ‘The Great White Wonder’ on The Big Audio Archive, which includes some things from the basement. Is there a consensus about which basement boot is the “best”? Meaning most comprehensive, faithful to the original recordings, sequenced appropriately, and decent sound quality. I know of ‘A Tree With Roots’ and “The Genuine Basement Tapes’. Are there others, or is one of those two considered (at this point in time) to be the one to have?


Entered at Mon Sep 13 16:36:23 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: the 416
Web: My link

Todd: I think Peter V's right about the cause. And yes, you can negotiate with terrorists - and perhaps you must in the end. Maybe not when they're just about to set off the bomb, and maybe not in public view.

Steve: Re that Sharia diatribe, I thought I'd note that the Clash was on the case eons ago in "Rock The Casbah" - "Sharia don't like it ..."

Peter V: Thanks so much for the link to the awesome "Sunflower Sutra". The tone is so much like the Ferlinghetti lines printed on Aztec Two-Step's first album to show how they came by their name. Also, my guess is that Ginsberg had read, enjoyed and absorbed the style of Joyce Cary's 1944 novel "The Horse's Mouth". (Closer to the old Bournemouth scene, Graham Bond was also impressed, as he went so far as to steal entire lines for inclusion in his letters home from holidays on the sunny Med.)

BEG: Sorry I misread your post re Paul James. No wonder we couldn't find him onstage or even in the program! As for the Southside Shuffle in Port Credit, we caught only Danny Brooks on Saturday morning - sounding great. Coincidentally, as you mentioned Danny Marks, I spoke last night with an old friend who's visiting his mother in Port Credit this week, but usually lives in NJ where one of his groups includes the guy who wrote "King Of Love" (recorded by BARK). He spent Saturday at the fest, catching Danny Marks playing on the street and Ronnie Hawkins on the mainstage, where he was joined for a half-hour version of "Bo Diddley" by Michael Fonfara - who unleashed a long and impressive piano solo.

Peter V: I believe you generally check out "Uncut" magazine. The current issue has a piece on Arther Brown and his crazy world. Among the former musicians quoted are Jeff Cutler, who drummed on the first US tour (taking over for Draken Theaker) and who was replaced by Carl Palmer when he decided to become Brown's manager instead. Anyhow, the link above shows Cutler drumming a couple of years before that - with the aforementioned Fonfara on organ.


Entered at Mon Sep 13 14:14:54 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter's poem reminded me of a joke I'll need to censor

But an old tramp, on George Street in Sydney, sees a fancy limosine. Fancying his chances, he taps on the window. The window winds down, and the tramp says 'Any chance of a dollar for an old digger, mate?'. The man in the back of the limo, well-dressed, clearly a man of culture says 'As the Bard, Shakespeare, wrote 'Never a borrower nor a lender be', and winds the window up. The old tramp taps on the window again, and it winds down. He says 'As the greatest modernist novelist, D. H. Lawrence says: '****'

erm...


Entered at Sun Sep 12 22:13:34 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

In a way that's right , Peter, but I think it's much more than that now.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 21:35:11 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rhyme Beyond reason

This basement boot is credited to "Robert Alleyn & The Crackers". I've sent details to Jan. Someone has taken a lot of trouble to try and sequence a coherent album from the less familiar stuff. It's also stereo and brighter and clearer than others I've heard. You hear a lot more clarity on the background voices messing around in You Gotta Quit Kicking My Dog Around, All-American Boy and I'm Your Teenage Prayer (the first three tracks). Fascinating "removal of veils" showing what a Bootleg Series official set might sound like.

Todd & Steve … I reckon most of it boils down to long-standing American support for one side in the most disputed bit of land on Earth.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 18:57:10 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Steve, I can't pretend to know what he justification for terrorism is. My best guess is that we are looked at as infidels by radical Islamic extremists, and we are the largest, biggest superpower in the world and are the largest symbol of capitalism and freedom in the world. In other words we are the biggest target, and an attack against us gets the most attention....it is probably considered a bigger "success". We are the biggest kids on the block.

I believe that the extremists have hijacked a religion to justify their attacks, but this really isn't a religious battle.....it is political.

But in the end, it doesn't matter what we do or don't do. They will always find a justification. If we get bogged down in trying to appease them, we will lose at their game. You can't negotiate with a terrorist. But you can try to weaken them to prevent them from striking again.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 18:33:29 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, have you ever given any thought to what those attacks against embassies, The Cole ( lets not forget The Stark) and the TWC might have been about. Can't be because you're a democracy, there are many of those around. Christian country, probably not, there are many of those about as well. You're not even a country that's located in the Muslim world so it can't be that you're a bad neighbor. But there must be something underlying it all.

Since we sent troops into Afghanistan we've become a target as well though it could be argued that that is just a coincidence since we've made it quite public that we're only there to help the Afghan people. Makes you think it might just be linked in some way. though.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 17:34:05 CEST 2010 from (69.177.242.36)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: 9-11

Steve, It could be said that 9-11 was a continuation of terrorist attacks against us which were already well underway. Like the 1993 bombing at the World Trade Center, the 1998 attacks against U.S. Embassies, and the 2000 attack against the US Cole. Perhaps if we had mounted a stronger response earlier to some of these attacks, we could have avoided 9-11. Or maybe nothing would have worked. Appeasement doesn’t seem to work, and military action doesn’t seem to be a permanent solution. Certain groups of people will always find a reason to hate us and will find some justification for it. Although for whatever reason we’ve been relatively safe from large scale terrorist attacks for the past 8 or 9 years……Not that they haven’t tried. For too long we’ve looked the other way and ignored threats against us. In some ways we are victims of our own tolerance and openness as a society.

9-11 certainly brought the specter of terrorism home for me. Prior to that, terrorism was something that happened to other people in other places….something that I saw on television. It was easier for me to ignore it. But on 9-11, I was blocks away from the World Trade Center in NYC and witnessed the events of the day first hand, with my own eyes…..and it’s altered my perspective and made the threat of terrorism a reality, rather than an abstract event that happens to other people.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 14:52:10 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

Joan, I think 9-11 just accelerated changes that were already well underway. We've gone from Clinton firing the odd cruise missile into Afghanistan and Sudan in search of Bin Laden in the late 90's to full fledged military invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in just a couple of years.

Award for best chant yesterday has to go to the self proclaimed,Defenders Of A Pure America; "Sharia Diarrhea!". Ouch, now that hurts! Can't wait to see Palin in a T shirt with that slogan in 2012.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 08:21:20 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Barbarella

Not only does it have Jane Fonda, but a remarkable Bob Crewe soundtrack. I have it on an old laser disc(preserved for the sleeve), DVD and the soundtrack CD.


Entered at Sun Sep 12 07:05:49 CEST 2010 from (69.149.149.23)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: the competition for a Robbie-signed copy of Stage Fright

There was a Facebook competition on Robbie's page--a copy of a reissue of Stage Fright signed by Robbie, and Sebastian would send the album to the person who was deemed to have made the best comment as to why he/she should get it.

I tried, hard, but didn't win. But with all of you as my witness, if I'd won, I'd have sent the album to Brown Eyed Girl. If there's another contest in the future, I'll do the same, with the same pledge.

People are pumped for Robbie's new album, that's for sure. It'll be strong. And so will the new Mavis Staples, out Tuesday.

Definitely envious of the folks who were at the Midnight Ramble where Sean Lennon and Jane Fonda were guests. Jane is one of my favorite actors, favorite people. And one of the most lied about, unfairly vilified persons in this country. That's my two cents, if anyone out there disagrees, I respect your view, please give me the same consideration.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 23:32:33 CEST 2010 from (91.42.246.166)

Posted by:

Nobert

Subject: Trix Verwindt

Encountered Trix Verwindt on the www today, remarkable woman, have a great weekend all.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 19:14:41 CEST 2010 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: WTC

Do we know what happened?


Entered at Sat Sep 11 18:41:04 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: 9/11

Its still an open wound. I don't think about as often as I used to, and now I can think about sometimes and not cry. I still remember standing on our beach and seeing this great plume of smoke coming up from where the Towers used to be. If the wind was right you could smell the smoke for months. The world changed forever that day and not necessarily for the better.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 18:39:32 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Billy: What you really want is an old SAAB 900 Turbo. The last 15 years or so are just General Motors cars with a different-looking skin on. I do know a second-hand SAAB garage with excellent views across to the Isle of Wight, where you can gaze out and contemplate what might have been.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 18:31:55 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

The Right Reverend William (Billy) Sol Hargis

Location: The Bible Belt of the Catskills

Subject: Dreams come true

I asked God for a bike. Then it hit me that God doesn't work that way. So I prayed for guidance and strength. Then I stole a bike and now I'm praying for forgiveness.

What I REALLY want is a Saab.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 17:49:58 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: 9/11 Tribute

Hi all. My tribute to the 9th anniversary of this horrible event in history. God bless all who have suffered a loss from this tragedy, and hope everyone is coping as well as can be expected.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Sat Sep 11 09:26:31 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Sunflower Sutra

On reading Ginsberg, in an American Lit exam many years ago, the "unseen" poem (i.e. one which had never discussed in class) was Sunflower Sutra. The sharp intakes of breath and sudden giggles of surprise were a refreshing change in our little Am Lit section in the huge sports hall where such exams were held.

On the link, it's the third one down.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 06:15:05 CEST 2010 from (70.225.78.42)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: Poco in Alton

sorry PutEmUp(Friend0, i don't know those folks. 'though my brother's married to a Bell from new york -- great family.

i was at that same poco show: an alton block party downtown. lots of great music that night, but too many folks just milling about and jabbering away, instead of being still and hearing some good playing.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 05:39:14 CEST 2010 from (75.69.137.171)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: disappointed?

BEG, if you were referring to your link to Robbie reading the Ginsberg poem, I much appreciated it and wasn't at all disappointed. I love the fact that he just couldn't bring himself to read something that didn't make sense. Once the typo was corrected, he read it beautifully, as always.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 05:37:41 CEST 2010 from (24.184.234.25)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: Brooklyn, presently

Glenn T, Alton Illinois, no kidding? Do you know The Bell Family, (Charlie, Jimmy etc), the Dick Brothers, Emmitt, Rudy,and I think Vance? Emmit used to work for me, once upona time. CHarlie and Jimmy Bell used to also. When he quit construction, Emmit was tending bar at the Eagles.

You guys have one helluva guitar fixer there, Bob Mondin , he also played in the Soulard Blues Band a few years.

Last music I saw in alton was Poco, on the main drag, couple September's back. Mondin's band opened, they played covers of old rock songas, CSN&Y etc etc.

Betcha have good brakes on your car. Those hills are a motha..

One thing about Alton, you gys have the best radio station in the world, KDHX fm out of st louis, available 24/7

Glennm that brooklyn i'm in now, is not the one in Illinois, which is a whole nther story.

Brooklyn, Illinois is also known as Lovejoy. The town's primary industry being strip clubs etc etc.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 01:28:33 CEST 2010 from (70.225.78.42)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: the brown album

yes, charlie, i love that homemade feel to it...not glossy and slick. it's just pure music. no egos at play, no pretension, no posing or posturing. just honest-to-goodness music and musicianship informed by the friendship of 5 great players who yielded so richly to the muse of each tune. God bless The Band!


Entered at Sat Sep 11 00:55:33 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: The Brown Album

Glenn: I agree about that record. It's amazing. One of the things I always liked about it was the homemade sound. I guess doing vocals in a bathroom in some cases really worked to make the music feel real rather than processed.

John Mellencamp's new record, "No Better Than This," (which has a brown cover, by the way) uses the approach of the Brown Album in a sense and succeeds quite well. I'd say Rollie's "Chicken House Tapes" clearly does the same thing. That's pretty rare these days.


Entered at Sat Sep 11 00:46:21 CEST 2010 from (70.225.78.42)

Posted by:

glenn t

Location: alton, illinois

Subject: the brown album

listened to the brown album on the way to and from work today. what an outrageously wonderful record! i've listened to it many, many times in the last 40 years...but as i listened today i was awed (all over again) at how incredible the songs are, the singing, the musicianship. every track is great; no weak spots from start to finish. what a treat to listen to. so very, very good.

have a great weekend every one. peace and love to all.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 22:35:15 CEST 2010 from (76.69.86.27)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Bill M! I posted that Paul James HAS performed at the Arts Junction Festival.....not sure about this year. The one and only time I made it to the Port Credit Festival was the time we ran into you and your sister-in-law and you encouraged me to meet Michael Fonfara. I regret now not meeting the late Richard Bell and Danny Weiss who was also performing that day with Danny Brooks. I wish I could be there again this year for The Hawk and The Hawks.....Buzzzzzz Thompson? Speaking about Buzzzz....He was at one of Cobourg's Chili Fests playing with other musicians.....next weekend's Fest for us. And Downchild performing as well? They peformed back in the day at Hotel Cali a lot. I always thought the sax player was good.

It looks like one of imagezulu's faves (Danny Marks) cough, cough, will be performing on Sunday in our hood. He's lived in Cabbagetown for a long time so he's well known here. On his radio show he's talked many times about The Hawks and how Robbie was king of Yonge Street and how many, many musicians tried to emulate him.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 20:56:01 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Twilight of the Thunder God

And I should have added, sincerely hope I never will again.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 20:43:53 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, never did I think I would see "Twilight of the Thunder God" referenced here.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 19:53:08 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, you are obviously not a connoisseur of fine Scandinavian Death Metal. Dlew was quoting a song by the Danish band, Amon Amarth. Come on, keep up with the herd.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 19:46:05 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rollie

Oops, I forgot. Do you need my address again?


Entered at Fri Sep 10 19:44:08 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rollie

Hi Jeff! Yes! I would love another copy. I even tried on another player and same thing, It just stops at 2:05 of track 17. But it did give me a chance to listen to the rest again. I'm really enjoying it.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 15:55:11 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

dlew: You told us you were hired to teach Scandinavian death metal, but with a vocabulary like that your talents are truly wasted.

BEG: Up against this weekend's Junction Arts Fest with the estimable Paul James, there's the Southside Shuffle in Port Credit with Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, Downchild with Michael Fonfara and a rapidly returning-to-form Danny Brooks. Johnny Winter too. (See southsideshuffle.com)

NB: What's the word on the rest of Peter Boyd? The new Fred? I've come to the conclusion that it too is brilliant, though it plows the field marked "Obsessions of love, loss and longing" rather than the one marked "Damnation". There is one song, however, that I'd swear is a left-over from "Tinderbox" - "Whiskey And Gasoline". For me the key song - see link - is "Shallow", which manages to sound like a mixture of the warm ticky-ticky pre-Sunshine Band Miami sound and slightly more northern southern soul complete with throaty female backup singers: "I stood behind you in line as you agonised over your decisions / but your choice it was the same as all the other sheep / I could be that shallow too if only I wasn't in so deep."


Entered at Fri Sep 10 13:52:59 CEST 2010 from (76.66.124.5)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Download of Robbie and Mavis and Jerry Lee's "Will The Circle Be Unbroken".

Three day Cabbagetown Festival begins this evening with Arts and Crafts Show at Riverdale Park. Also this weekend is the Junction Festival where Paul James has performed....who performed with Dylan at the Air Canada Centre. Mr. Maximus' significant other will be giving a free yoga class and also will be demonstrating belly dancing outside one of the studios.

You're welcome Deee. I guess I like to acknowledge birthdays. When I was teaching regular classroom programs, every student would receive a card from me. One student who drove me craaaaazy one year kept his card for many years as he told me that no one had ever given him a card. It was good to know that someone remembered his special day.

Hey Rollieeee! I received your CDS last night. Here are my faves so far....Did I tell you that I'm a sucker for sliiide as well, huh, huh? lol

The Weight....Take the load off Jeff!
Lonely At The Bottom
Desert Horizon
Cold Outside
Rule The Road with Tony Furtado....no relation to Nelly.
Can't Hold Out
Tic Toc
Mystery number 17 song....What's the name?

(Angelina's Blues)

Sorry....The other day it should have been "be forewarned". I know that I've disappointed Jersey Girl and others. ;-(


Entered at Fri Sep 10 13:04:22 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: NB: as I tell my students

Polysyllabic exertions on syntactical andgrammatical structure may well be advantageous to the appearance of erudition, but if it's improperly deployed, the users' reputation, will upon deep reflection, will most likely be severely diminished. My erudition is based on this fallacious assumption, so your verbal generosity is esteemed.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 12:40:07 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.185)

Posted by:

Steve

Conspiracies ? Peter, I'm only making observations from following the news.

To be susceptible to conspiracy theories you'd have to be willing to believe that the most powerful person in the world could be shot down in the street and that the person who killed him could be murdered on TV and that that was the end of it. All guilty parties received their just rewards. End of story.

That kind of conspiracy is conceivable only in countries where gov't is run by and for an elite criminal class like that of modern day Russia, not in a real democracy.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 10:18:05 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Richard Condon & conspiracies

Steve, how many Richard Condon books have you read? The main theme over many books is powerful lobbies buying and selling presidents in one way or another. I always thought his political novels had inspired "24". Or maybe reality inspired both.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 05:38:52 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Dave, thanks for the word on Robbie's part in that latest Jerry Lee Lewis effort. I'm still amazed that Rollie's disc is much more interesting than some big albums getting rave reviews recently (like the new Peter Wolf record that I found pretty dull).


Entered at Fri Sep 10 02:50:53 CEST 2010 from (71.232.26.129)

Posted by:

Dave H

Charlie Y: Adam2 posted below to the effect that RR's contribution is disappointingly modest.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 00:21:00 CEST 2010 from (142.22.16.54)

Posted by:

NB

Location: just beyond Hope, BC

Subject: Hagiography

dlew: Once again your resplendent diction has left me in a state of total vertiginousness. NB.


Entered at Fri Sep 10 00:06:37 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Robbie with Jerry Lee

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but apparently Robbie Robertson is one of the guests on the new Jerry Lee Lewis album.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 22:18:41 CEST 2010 from (67.163.118.32)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, I'll give you that. I still don't want either.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 21:22:06 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: and the soul comes joyful

This one might be of interest to some . . . a documentary film on the late Lillian Roxon (of _Lillian Roxon's Rock Encyclopedia_) . . . see [My link] for the trailer, plus there's a much longer "trailer" at tiff.net . . . .


Entered at Thu Sep 9 19:10:53 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, let me just move the names around and see if anything changes. Obama is a small cult of personality and Palin was popular but devoid of any substance or abilities.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 18:39:11 CEST 2010 from (70.92.153.152)

Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: BEG

Yes, 6 September is my birthday. I threw it in 'cause there were so many recent b-days in the GB, including Jeff. He must be older than me, his birthday is 5 September :)

Thanks for the poetry reading snippet by Robbie. My smile for today!


Entered at Thu Sep 9 18:37:33 CEST 2010 from (67.163.118.32)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, neither of those individuals are a smart politician. Palin is a small cult of personality and Obama is like Woody Allen's Zelig; he was popular but is devoid of any substance or abilities.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 17:54:04 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: When You Awake\ Rick Danko

He was a gem, wasn't he, Norm. The voice and the guitar were so connected in a tight but still kinda loose way. I don't know if you ever heard him do an acoustic, solo version of The Weight but the vibe is as good as you get in music.

I think that of the three singers in The Band he may have been the most responsible for that same jangly effect in their harmonies.

I thought of you yesterday when I heard a west coast guy named Phil Thomas singing, Song Of The Sockeye. Geez, the things you get exposed to on CBC radio.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 15:26:39 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Louuu

No sangria in the park. No Perfect Day for Susan Boyle.

You're going to reap just what you sow?


Entered at Thu Sep 9 12:57:07 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.190)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, but who cares? This could be worth watching. In the era of entertain me to death reality TV life, why not take it all the way to the top. One of the smartest politicians in America vs two of the biggest idiots on the planet and the outcome is not a foregone conclusion.

The country gets a great reality show, though you may have to hold elections once a year instead of every 4 to stay within TV's schedule and the country is in no more danger of going tits-up than it is now. George W proved all you have to do is be able to follow orders from the people who payed for your election. Now, anyone really can become president. Unfortunately, like other TV reality crowns, it's really only a ceremonial position.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 06:18:29 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Mike Nomad

Thank you so much sir for your generous contribution.Jane and I are continually blown away by the goodness of the folks here at The Band pages---JN


Entered at Thu Sep 9 06:10:33 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Thanks......

......to Charlie and Peter V for their kind words on the recording and to anonymous poster for your generous contribution.I hope they find a cure QUICK.typing is getting difficult. Peter, if you get out to see Brother Mule tell em to drink a pint for jeff newsom! you'll blow their minds.---JN


Entered at Thu Sep 9 04:27:53 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: ELO cellist killed

Very sad, but as i put on my Facebook page, does this count as a 'bizarre gardening accident'? See link for details.


Entered at Thu Sep 9 02:59:11 CEST 2010 from (76.66.126.78)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Deeee! Were you trying to say the other day that it was YOUR BIRTHDAY on September 6?
If so....Happy Belated Birthday to you!!
In anycase.....Here's Robbie reading a small part from Allen Ginsberg's "Song" just for you....around 5:29....Be warned....Robbie's a real perfectionist...lol

Poetry of the western world read by celebrities and collected by Clare Ann Matz

Song

The weight of the world
is love.
Under the burden
of solitude,
under the burden
of dissatisfaction

the weight,
the weight we carry
is love.

Who can deny?
In dreams
it touches
the body,
in thought
constructs
a miracle,
in imagination
anguishes
till born
in human--
looks out of the heart
burning with purity--
for the burden of life
is love,

but we carry the weight
wearily,
and so must rest
in the arms of love
at last,
must rest in the arms
of love.

No rest
without love,
no sleep
without dreams
of love--
be mad or chill
obsessed with angels
or machines,
the final wish
is love
--cannot be bitter,
cannot deny,
cannot withhold
if denied:

the weight is too heavy

--must give
for no return
as thought
is given
in solitude
in all the excellence
of its excess.

The warm bodies
shine together
in the darkness,
the hand moves
to the center
of the flesh,
the skin trembles
in happiness
and the soul comes
joyful to the eye--

yes, yes,
that's what
I wanted,
I always wanted,
I always wanted,
to return
to the body
where I was born


Entered at Wed Sep 8 23:28:31 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Jeff Newsom's HENHOUSE TAPES

Man this is one rockin' disc--and it keeps on going over 74 minutes. It reminds me of Paul Butterfield in the Better Days era (my favorite) or early efforts by the Nighthawks.

The version of "The Weight" really is excellent. Who is that background singer who sounds so much like Rick Danko? That's sort of spooky at times. The take on "Mystery Train" is really great, too--as good as I've heard. "Dead Presidents" is another favorite and I wonder if Jeff heard that for the first time on Bob Dylan's radio show like I did.

The whole album is really nicely recorded and doesn't sound like it came from sessions over a twelve year period at all. Nice work, Mr. Newsom!


Entered at Wed Sep 8 22:46:21 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, those two are two equally bad choices.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 21:45:52 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, I love the guy. I've never seen him only heard some snippets of some of the best comedy since Bob and Ray. I hope he runs for either prez or vp with that other comedy queen, Palin, as his sidekick. Tough to decide on who gets to be the straight guy. They'll fight over that since they'd probably think that implies the other is the gay guy.

I'm trying to anticipate Palin's next accidental portmonteau. I'm going with " dissortment" at the moment. I'm not sure how'd she work it in yet but maybe something like, oh, those un-American, evil doing, left wing, elitists aren't straight shooters like us good christian all Americans. We know exactly what's right because God tells us but they accept people with a whole "dissortment" of views probably from a whole "dissortment" of gods.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 21:03:10 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: The making of Rocking Chair

A short stop at home, (waiting for a couple of pieces of equipment, loading tomorra).

I felt like listening to a little youtube music, and it somehow brought me to this. I've no doubt some have seen it I hadn't. If not, this is a fun,inspiring and very comfortable video to watch. Some more insight into how the BAND became what they were.

I also found a really well done video of Rick with a real well used acoustic of his sitting and playing "When you awake" solo. One of the best I've ever seen of Rick Danko. He shows how chording to your voice is so necessary. Something, in knowing so many chords he does so well. These are real treasures.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 20:37:38 CEST 2010 from (204.138.58.96)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Mandala / Keith McKie

John D: Thanks for the note. Mine hasn't arrived yet, though someone passed along a burned CD a few weeks ago. Aside from "Love-Itis", what struck me was how good Shawne Jackson and Jimmy Livingston were on "Faith". The fact that Jimmy in particular didn't get to record more is truly sad. I met him once, introduced to me by Bruce Palmer alongside a Village gig in the late '70s, the Village having been Bruce's and Keith McKie's band.

JT: Speaking of Keith McKie, this Mandala LP contains one of the two McKie songs that he never released himself or with Kensington Market - "Every Single Day", which he cowrote with Troiano. The other song was "Please Think", which Ian and Sylvia did on their "Full Circle" LP.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 20:36:29 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, calm down. Obama is president and the Democrats control congress. 'Change', remember?


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:48:34 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Mandala / Bill Munson

Well Bill Munson it's finally here!


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:43:48 CEST 2010 from (90.239.106.105)

Posted by:

Anonymous poster

Subject: Good to see ROLLIE back in gb

Rollie, I have sent a gift to Ulla-Carin Lindquist Foundation for ALS Research. The Foundation works to collect money for research on amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, ALS, and to spread information about this illness here in Nordic Countries.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:43:40 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Brother Mule UK

Thanks, Rollie. Link to Brother Mule tour. They're playing some of the more pleasant places. They end up in Twickenham on September 19th … will have to look at my schedule!


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:35:46 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: BW

Thanks Bob!---JN


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:33:02 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Peter V

The bass player is Eric Thorin.He'l be in the UK for a series of show beginning thursday with a band called Brother Mule.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:27:45 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Joan -- do u need a replacement cd?


Entered at Wed Sep 8 19:04:46 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Quite right. I copied it over.

I've had Jeff's CD on all afternoon … great playing, great material. It got to the UK very quickly. One of the best versions of The Weight among the many I've got. Highly recommended … who's the bass player? Excellent throughout.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 18:55:18 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rollie

I really like the CD. As soon as it came I popped the player. I was thrilled to hear Jabberwocky as a surprise . Suddenly at 2:05 it just cut out and stopped playing leaving me befeft. "and the momraths outgrabe.



Entered at Wed Sep 8 18:53:57 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Now that G Beck has taken to channeling Martin Luther King I'm looking forward to him shaking his jowls and slipping these King observations past the fateful.

It's time for radical changes in the structure of our society, to redistribute wealth and power.

Congress has demonstrated its hostility to the poor, appropriating military funds with alacrity and generosity, but providing poverty funds with miserliness.

The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.

Man, Lorne Michaels has certainly lost his mojo. In the 70's he would have snapped this guy up and given him a spot then brought out Roseanne Roseannadana for a synopsis.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 18:43:04 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

bob w: Good point! Clapton channeled Rogers & Hart via Elvis. As we know, a full-blown collaboration between Robbie & Eric fell through. Now Clapton's new release is ready and Robbie's is still in preparation?


Entered at Wed Sep 8 18:39:37 CEST 2010 from (90.239.106.105)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: "10."

Peter, I am afraid it should be "10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn _OFF_ the engine." Even in some LINUX distributions they have the same procedure just to please former Windows(R) users.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 17:57:04 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Clapton's affinity for pop standards goes back a long way. Didn't he "quote" the opening line of Rodgers and Hart's "Blue Moon" to begin his guitar solo in "Sunshine of Your Love"?


Entered at Wed Sep 8 17:12:21 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck......."Moon River".


Entered at Wed Sep 8 16:51:52 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

And "Mama Jean"......smokes.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 16:50:50 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Slowhand Tackles Berlin

In light of Brian Wilson's Gershwin adaptations, it's interesting to note that Eric Clapton has included some notable pop/jazz standards on his upcoming self-titled album. He tackles Irving Berlin's "How Deep Is The Ocean", complete with strings and a trumpet solo by Wynton Marsalis. Also included is Hoagy Carmichael's "Rocking Chair" and Johnny Mercer's adaptation of "Autumn Leaves". Then there's two Fats Waller tunes, "When Somebody Thinks You're Wonderful" and "My Very Good Friend The Milkman", both featuring Allen Toussaint. Mr. Clapton also recorded the George & Ira Gershwin's "Love Is Here To Stay" during the sessions, which didn't make the final cut for the release.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 16:33:50 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeff, your CD arrived yesterday. It is fantastic. I love your version of "The Weight". Great stuff. You are one helluva harp player. Thank you so much for this wonderful music.


Entered at Wed Sep 8 15:15:15 CEST 2010 from (91.16.83.98)

Posted by:

Jan

Location: Germany
Web: My link

good site!


Entered at Wed Sep 8 13:56:48 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: NB: Girls might wanna have fun

But every review I've seen of Ms Lauper's album has ranged from grudging respect to hagiography. I think David P. already gave us his (alwasys welcome) opinion. I might, might, just splash for this one...


Entered at Wed Sep 8 13:18:24 CEST 2010 from (193.60.130.206)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Rollie was at The Last Waltz? You're kidding...

Rollie - just ordered your CD All the very best...


Entered at Wed Sep 8 12:37:49 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Pips / 90's Band

OK, Peter, I've got to know. I've rewatched the Pips without Gladys a couple of times looking for the connection. It can't be stage over-crowding. It wasn't the unneccessary mike, that was an earlier lineup of The Band. What was it that reminded you of The 90's Band?


Entered at Wed Sep 8 04:03:26 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Rollie's Record

Mine came today as well. Nice package. I can't wait to listen! More tomorrow...


Entered at Wed Sep 8 00:41:05 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: JD

Hey John-- Long time.........thanks!Hangin for as long I can stomach this.........----JN


Entered at Tue Sep 7 23:37:55 CEST 2010 from (142.22.16.54)

Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Lauper's New "Memphis Blues" CD

Must be quite the CD, me thinks, as this cut is only a bonus track. If you do track it down and buy it PV (or anyone), kindly give us your feedback on it. NB.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 23:32:16 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Location: rollie

I don't know if I ever told you; but I was at TLW as well; along with Rollie and Paul Godfrey and a bunch of other people. Rollie will agree that it is a memory we will never forget. Rollie my prayers are with you sir.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 20:43:14 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

rollie

thanks paul


Entered at Tue Sep 7 19:30:26 CEST 2010 from (68.77.1.59)

Posted by:

Paul

Location: Chicago
Web: My link

Hi, Ignatius, the guitar player is Matt "Guitar" Murphy, who later ended up in the Blues Bros. The piano player is Otis Spann. The drummer's name is in the liner notes, and that's at home, but the video is from a DVD called "The American Folk Blues Festival 1962-1966, Vol. 1." On online search would probably scare up the drummer's name. This series has three volumes, and they're all worth seeing. Rollie, you and I haven't met, but we've corresponded. Every good wish.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 19:28:46 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Book Burning Season

Has,Glen Gobby Beck, been tapped to give one of his, real god, inspired, firebrand speeches at the torching of those un-American Korans? He's got my vote. Wait that's a bit presumptuous on my part. Do demagogues ever risk holding votes?

If these guys were serious 21st century book burners with even a whiff of creativity they'd get their conflagration cooking with a Kindle containing the Koran. NB, all those C's and K's were for you.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 19:13:25 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thank you Ignatius.---JN


Entered at Tue Sep 7 19:06:46 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Dee

ps--my birthday was on the 5th!


Entered at Tue Sep 7 19:05:18 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: CD

Thanks Dee----- Hope you enjoy it ..... Cheers,JN


Entered at Tue Sep 7 18:43:27 CEST 2010 from (70.92.154.22)

Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Gen-yoo-wine Rollie CD

Got it!!!! My birthday present to me! Birthday was yesterday but no mail service on Labour Day.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 16:35:55 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

NB: Sorry to have misled you, but a lightbulb went on over the weekend and I now realise that the reason why you don't remember Jericho at the old school is not that you don't remember but that they bailed from the gig. Vic T and others at the SAC instead hired the Teenage Dance Band, led by former Lords of London / Nucleus organist Sebastian Agnello. Sebastian's brother, bassist Joe, was and is close friends with Peter Traynor (them all having grown up on the Danforth like Robbie).


Entered at Tue Sep 7 13:17:10 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.218)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Ari S!


Entered at Tue Sep 7 11:57:38 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Al Jardine

Thanks, Charlie. Again, only available in the UK on download. This is getting annoying. Amazon.co.uk used to refer you to US resellers who were cheap, because they bulk-freighted a pile to Amsterdam daily and redistributed from there. Still, I'm by a good import shop on Thursday. The Brian Wilson gets better with every play. Another one to try out is "I Got Rhythm" which starts with a string section then launches into Eddie Cochran guitar then adds a honking horn section, then Beach Boys style harmonies. It's very much "SMiLE tour" stuff. I particularly like I Got Rhythm in Beach Boys style. The Four Seasons did it in the 60s. Then when I was working on variety show lights, The Rockin' Berries were the support act all summer and did it much like this (vocally, not instrumentally!)


Entered at Tue Sep 7 09:04:11 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Jerry Lee Lewis' latest all-star album "Mean Old Man" was released today, featuring "Will The Circle Be Unbroken" with Mavis Staples, Robbie Robertson and Nils Lofgren (deluxe edition only). Unfortunately, the track is very disappointing: Robbie is only playing very sparse rhythm guitar, and his contribution is barely worth mentioning. The track features Lofgren's country-style lap steel much more prominently, with Robbie contributing no real guitar work at all.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 08:13:00 CEST 2010 from (24.184.234.25)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Tracy Wormworth

Tracy is the sister of James Wormworth. One of my favorite drummers. I first saw him play back in 89 or 90, in a dive on the upper east side. Yes, they have some there. It was Jimmy Vivino, Harvey Brooks and James. He immediately became one of the Black Italians, and I've probably seen him play three or four hundred times. often it was just The Black Italians often it was backing Hubert Sumlin, Johnnie Johnson, Son Seals or Al Kooper. Or in The J Band with John Sebastian.......

The Wormworth's father and grandfather were drummers, and I'd bet that there were more musicans in the family. Ever since the inception of the Conan show , James has been the replacement drummer for Max. When Max was with Springsteen, the band improved. When Conan took over Leno's slot, James joined the band full time as the percussionist.



Entered at Tue Sep 7 06:29:13 CEST 2010 from (216.165.58.91)

Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Robbie on Saturday Night Live


Entered at Tue Sep 7 05:06:52 CEST 2010 from (67.168.134.28)

Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Just Saying Hello

Haven't posted in a long time. Just wanted to let you all know how much I value the conversation here. I know it has been awhile, but I noticed in that clip featuring Muddy and Sonny Boy that Willie Dixon was on the dog house bass. Who was playing guitar, piano and drums, anybody know?

I have been playing a lot of music, listening to a lot of Ollabelle and the Moondoggies, loving the good music, never far from our favorite five. Take care all, and I will try not to be so long between hellos.

Rollie, I do not have have the pleasure of your personal acquaintance, but loved your story of TLW and hope all the best for you as you fight the good fight.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 03:31:35 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Brian Wilson and Al Jardine

I agree with you, Peter, on the Brian Wilson album of Gershwin music. It's great--sort of PETS SOUNDS meets the Gershwin brothers.

Another former Beach Boy, Al Jardine, also just released a solo project which is surprisingly good. It includes performances by all the guys who recorded and toured as the Beach Boys during their first decade (David Marks, Mike Love, Glen Campbell and Bruce Johnston as well as all three of the Wilson Brothers). David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Neil Young are all there as well, and Neil even sings a verse or two of Mr. Jardine's remake of "California Saga." Mr. Jardine also revisits "Help Me Rhonda" as a blues tune (is that Rollie on the harp?) with Steve Miller as a guest vocalist. It's a good collection, the closest we will get to another new studio release by a group worthy of the name Beach Boys.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 02:36:43 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: FYI

Fyi Ray LaMontagne on Leno Wednesday. and Jerry Lee Lewis will be on Jimmy Fallon Thursday,I guess that's why they make DVRs.

Hi Serenity. Nice to hear from you. You too Jersey Girl. You're missed.


Entered at Tue Sep 7 00:38:26 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: And The Pips

Very good video clip. I'd never seen it before too. There's something about it that makes me think of the 90s Band …


Entered at Mon Sep 6 22:31:20 CEST 2010 from (68.171.231.22)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Gladys Knight

Gladys Knight recorded a fine duet version of Asford and Simpson's "Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing" with Vince Gill which was included on the 1994 compilation "Rhythm Country and Blues". Other highlights on this MCA CD include "The Weight" by The Staple Singers and Marty Stuart, "Southern Nights" by Chet Atkins and Allen Toussaint and "Rainy Night in Georgia" by Sam Moore and Conway Twitty.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 22:32:21 CEST 2010 from (97.102.35.59)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: this is to rollie...

your welcome rollie...i don't soppose you'd be willing to give me more info. on the desease you have ? i hope this does'nt offend you , and if it did i'm sorry ..well i hope you have a great rest the day bye bye for now..


Entered at Mon Sep 6 22:06:42 CEST 2010 from (75.13.162.199)

Posted by:

Wood

Peter, Serenity--thanks a bunch! As an aside, I really like the higher speed on the Tombstone bootleg a lot more; I wish it would have been released that way.

I think it's one of the last songs that (at least from pieces of the music styling considered) that feels like it could have been done by the original lineup had it survived. Something about the piano, organ and guitar work for sure. Lyrics and sound are way off from that standpoint, but having some insight into them's a big help!


Entered at Mon Sep 6 22:02:33 CEST 2010 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Just now listened to " Makes No Difference" from " The Last Waltz" for the ??? time.

Rick so beautiful to look at and to listen to!

Garth's sax solo, and RR's guitar solo quiveringly lovely!


Entered at Mon Sep 6 21:37:41 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: "The High Price Of Love"

Hi!! Happy Labor Day to you all...

WOOD: To add to PETER's post. Here's the full song you wanted...

"THE HIGH PRICE OF LOVE"

I can see in the mirror...edge had a little fuzz

Her business card didn't tell me what her business was

A beautiful care package sent to a starving man

I ate all of that and I was hungry again

I heard a sound, a knock on the door

That room was empty, she don't live there anymore

I was standin' there, reflecting on my own

What's gonna happen to that 5 hundred dollar loan.

CHORUS:

It ain't worth it, cryin' these tears

Put 'em all in a vile [vial], fill it up to there

Toss 'em all, into the Persian Gulf

Forget about it man, just write it off.

As a High price of love

As a high price of love

There's something wrong all across the nation

Everybody, everywhere is a victim of inflation

Someone takes advantage, thinks they won't get beat

They think they got a bargain, but they're only cheap

CHORUS:

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Mon Sep 6 19:34:48 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.184)

Posted by:

Steve

JG, Gladys, even sans Pips, would be a great show. Lucky you. I watched the Pips, sans Gladys, and the song is so good and sunken deep enough into the brain that I can hear her even though she wasn't at the mike. Thanks.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 18:39:58 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Holiday

Happy Labor Day. The official end of summer:( But thee is more to come.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 18:38:22 CEST 2010 from (67.85.169.75)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: Pips minus Gladys

Steve, a few years back we found ourselves at a meeting in Las Vegas with a night to fill and no tickets to anything. The only show we could get into was Gladys Knight's. She was terrific -- with only one Pip. I think she said one had died and one was unavailable.

The link above is to a hilarious appearance on the old Richard Pryor show in the '70s.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 18:28:39 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: High Price of Love: booklet

I can see in the mirror … edge had a little fuzz

CHORUS:

It ain’t worth it cryin’ these tears

put them all in a vile (sic), fill it up to here

toss em all into the Persian Gulf

Forget about it man, just write it off.

You are correct in spelling it “vial”, the sleeve notes are wrong. Note that singers don’t always sing the lyrics as printed.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 18:22:33 CEST 2010 from (75.13.162.199)

Posted by:

Wood

Location: Arkansas

Anybody know if the High On The Hog album includes a booklet with lyrics? I'm trying to figure out The High Price Of Love's lyrics, and even using both my secondhand copy of High On The Hog AND the copy of it on the Tombstone bootleg, there's just enough mumbling to where I can't figure parts of it out.

My closest approximations for the parts with trouble:

Opening

I could see in the mirror / But the H had a little fuzz (????)

And in the chorus:

It ain't worth it/crying and tears/put em all in a vial/fill it up to here/toss 'em all into a persian dog (????)

The rest of it's pretty clear. Anybody happen to have any sort of official lyrics or were able to make out what the hell Randy & Levon were saying here? Sounds the same on both Tombstone and the later official release...


Entered at Mon Sep 6 18:10:46 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thanks Daena!


Entered at Mon Sep 6 17:28:48 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin

This had some luke-warm reviews. Ignore them. it's terrific, especially "The Like in I Love You" and "Nothing But love" recreated by Brian Wilson from recently-found Gershwin fragments.His current band provide superb backing.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 15:42:32 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Great version of Mid Night Train, Norm, just three pips short of a load though.

I listened to a Gladys and The Pips'performance of it right after Joan's. Joan's is superb but Glady's is somewhere beyond that.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 11:53:18 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Rollie

It's charlieyoung7 at gmail.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 10:46:27 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bass player

Thank you Dave............Lars, as Dave has said, it's Tracey Wormworthy. If you listen closely to the bass in the song, it is played beautifully.

I'm away to sea......talk to you later.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 09:50:25 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Office 2008

An old joke that I trawled from the internet follows. You all know it, you've all heard it a dozen times. It's brought to you because yesterday I downloaded the very latest Microsoft Office 2008 update. Since when WORD has frozen three times and Entourage crashed twice.

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX) Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating:

If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car. If they didn't paint new lines you'd have to upgrade your car with another $25 every year or so.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to get out and restart the engine after inserting a paper clip in a tiny hole next to the oil filter.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, better-looking, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This car has performed An Illegal Operation."

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed ahold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn on the engine.



Entered at Mon Sep 6 07:06:37 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Refreshing on a PC

Hit Function 5 (F5 at the very top of your keyboard): that usually refreshes, at least in Windows. I think in LInux too...


Entered at Mon Sep 6 05:43:08 CEST 2010 from (97.102.35.59)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: this is to rollie...

i hope you have a great birthday , and hopefully many more , and i hope the desease you have get's better if that's possible .. i don't know much about that desease , so i don't know if it gets better useally , or not , but if not maybe you'll be the first person that it does get better ..hopefully , cause you seem like a very nice person , and nice people should be able to get better if they get a desease . not that i'm saying bad people ,or mean people should'nt get better from a desease , or anything , because i'm not it's just that useally human nature want the nice/good people to get better out comes with desease ect.. hopefully this won't offend you in anyway .. i hope you have had /are having a great birthday , and hopefully you'll have bunches , and bunches more happy birthday's to come , well bye bye for now..


Entered at Mon Sep 6 05:26:13 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thanks Charlie! I can't find your e-mail.It was on my now closed Hotmail account.---JN


Entered at Mon Sep 6 05:04:12 CEST 2010 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Norm- Is it Gladys Knight?


Entered at Mon Sep 6 03:55:45 CEST 2010 from (71.232.26.129)

Posted by:

Dave H

That's Tracy Wormworth, ex of the Waitresses.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 03:26:42 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: In The Studio

The fun it can be......in the studio. Watch this clip...it don't get no better than this. One of you guys tell me who the black lady is who is laying down this beautiful bass line.


Entered at Mon Sep 6 00:44:53 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: You Say It's Your Birthday...

Happy Birthday, Rollie--and many more!


Entered at Sun Sep 5 21:42:31 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

rollie

Thanks Serenity!---JN


Entered at Sun Sep 5 21:20:29 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The usual reason you don't see a message is that you haven't "refreshed" your screen. Most web browsers store previously looked-at pages to save downloading time, so they store an earlier version. Refresh by clicking the refresh arrow in the top bar on Safari, or COMMAND-R on a Mac. I don't know anything about PCs. Your message has been there for a few hours.


Entered at Sun Sep 5 21:11:25 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: ??????

Just wondering why my message hasn't been posted as yet? I sent it about 2 hours ago. I didn't want to miss our dear friend ROLLIE's birthday. Thanx xoxoxo


Entered at Sun Sep 5 19:25:03 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: For ROLLIE

LINK: For ROLLIE. and all who are celebrating their birthdays today.

Just dropping in to say "HI" and to wish Rollie a HAPPY BIRTHDAY. Hope you have a good one, dear ROLLIE.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Sun Sep 5 16:17:54 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mose Allison Played Here

Who knows "Mose Allison Played Here" by Greg Brown? I've been listening to it this weekend. It reminds me strongly of the movie "Crazy Heart" for starters, but also some of those indescribable clubs.


Entered at Sun Sep 5 15:46:31 CEST 2010 from (79.202.160.186)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet (the tramp & Waits; see link)


Entered at Sun Sep 5 01:01:19 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Lil

Yes Lil,sadly, I knew about the passing of Paul.The LW posting is a re-post from many years back. Take care .Please ask Garth to check out the CD. Cheera,JN


Entered at Sat Sep 4 23:57:17 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Well now, there ain't no time to wonder why, whoppee, we're all going to die.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 23:27:22 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Country Joe & The Fish

At Woodstock.....Country Joe & The Fish;

And it's one, two, three what're we fightin for?

Don't ask me I don't give a damn,

Next stop is Vietnam......and it's 5-6-7

Open up the pearly gate....tell old Pete we won't be late

We ain't got no time to cry..whoopie! we're all gonna die

'er sumpthin' like that..........


Entered at Sat Sep 4 22:48:57 CEST 2010 from (91.42.227.89)

Posted by:

Norbert

Rollie, thanks for pointing Brown Eyed Girl towards Sonny Boy Williamson and Junior Wells .

Brown Eyed Girl great links as always.

Mike Nomad; Mike thanks for that post.

Lars & Norm; underwear, love you both, but don’t join the 3 new, older young, Chippendales yet (although I skipped lunch today).


Entered at Sat Sep 4 21:49:38 CEST 2010 from (68.237.141.115)

Posted by:

Lil

Rollie: Thanks for your Last Waltz memories. Great read! You mentioned "Godfrey or Donabie" helping you out, and I just want to let you know that Paul Godfrey passed away several years ago. He's missed.

Have a good day.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 20:49:04 CEST 2010 from (70.51.157.72)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Great TLW recollection, Rollie. I remember reading it (more or less) in an earlier post but could never recall whether it was you or someone else here (Pat B, perhaps) who had met up with Jack Wingate in SF. Jack was a mechanic at the newspaper I worked at, as a reporter, and he was aware of my interest in the Hawks, and later the Band, and tried to persuade me to make the trek to Winterland. But, alas, I was going through a mind-numbing separation from my wife at the time and was otherwise preoccupied. I've regretted the decision since, although my wife and I eventually reconciled. Thanks, however, for the memories, as trite as that may sound. Jack Wingate was a splendid soul.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 17:37:15 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thank you Simon.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 17:35:42 CEST 2010 from (68.171.231.18)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: I can hear for Miles and Miles

The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions reveal interesting insights into Miles Davis' recording process. For the most part, the album was recorded in long segments which were later edited and assembled by producer Teo Macero. The 2001 compilation presents the complete takes with detailed liner notes on how they edited. The songs are further notated measure by measure with details on the chord sequences and time signatures.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 17:28:45 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thanks Beg! Can't believe you remembered my Birthday,Sept5!


Entered at Sat Sep 4 16:44:34 CEST 2010 from (76.66.127.206)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jeffff! Just one more....Here's one of imagezulu's fave bluezzz harp players for you. Sorry I couldn't find the 1966 cut but this one will do!


Entered at Sat Sep 4 16:28:09 CEST 2010 from (76.66.127.206)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Mud and Sonny Boy Williamson for Jeffrey!

So.....What's happening for your BIRTHDAY tomorrow?! I thought it was on September 6, but when I checked my old phone book, it's tomorrow on September 5 (same day as imagezulu's sis too)!
I won't be around to post tomorrow so today I'm wishing you good heath, good vibes, good hope, good family and friends to surround you....Mr. Bluezzz Harp!
Oh and since you were in the same room as Mud......Oh my, my, my.....Did ya know he's one of imagezulu's musical heroes?!! :-D

Btw Jeff....I did end up seeing a couple of your faves....Tony Furtado opened for Ollabelle at The Horseshoe Tavern.....amazing guitar picker.....and.....Carlos Del Junco opened for Dr. John at one of our Jazzz Fests.....sorry.....He couldn't get a hold of me. I like your emotional harp playing better. Don't tell Carlos!

Simon and Peter: I just checked with the jazzz and bluezzz expert and he told me that he really digs Miles Davis up to 1965.

In relation to Mud and Wolf.....Someone posted that they weren't friends.....not true.....They were friends but there was some "natural" competition.
In _Deeeep Blues_ there's a part on TLW with Levon and Robbie.

Hope those of you who celebrate have a great LaboUr Day weekend. For most of us all we own is our laboUr power.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 16:06:58 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Inevitably

I guess it was bound to happen.........that crazy old Scandahovian........even his dog won't talk to him.......so now he's talking to hisself.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 15:46:37 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Simon: Miles … how right he was about Columbia. I always thought “Nefertiti” under-rated . It was the first Miles Davis one I bought, in a sale in Woolworths. They had probably ordered it by mistake. Woolworths often did that … and also bought in remaindered stock. I’ve recounted before how they had browser bins full of cut-outs of “Wheatstraw Suite” by The Dillards for pennies. I gave them to all my friends at Christmas, and it’s still one of my favourite records. Being the UK, they didn't cut slots in cut-out sleeves or drill holes in the centre of remaindered singles. Nefertiti was about the price of a cup of tea and I loved it. Then a friend had the Jack Johnson soundtrack … also good. I never got into “Bitches Brew” or “On the Corner” which I bought after a review compared it to Sly & The Family Stone. It was not in the same class.

Band link: Miles Davis supported The Band live on the West Coast.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 14:55:01 CEST 2010 from (90.239.76.57)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Peter V.: Sony and Samsung

Peter V., I sold my stocks in Sony for many years ago and bought Samsung instead. No one is a saint. At least on this side of Gates Of Eden.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 13:37:46 CEST 2010 from (90.239.94.160)

Posted by:

(Ilkka Jauramo)

Location: (Nordic Countries)

Subject: (Mainly for internet archaelogists)

(Sat Sep 4 13:07:19 CEST 2010 from (90.239.111.243) and Sat Sep 4 12:33:55 CEST 2010 from (90.239.92.203) were posted by me as a reflection to multiple identities in the internet discussion forums.)


Entered at Sat Sep 4 13:25:31 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

This link is quite informative. It outlines the differences between the mono/stereo and different versions/mixes etc for Bringing It All Back Home/Highway 61 Revisited/Blonde on Blonde.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 13:19:14 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Here's a link to the Rolling Stone page which hints at future Dylan releases.

Peter, I remember a quote from Miles Davis along the lines of "wait until after I'm dead then Columbia will release any old shit with my name on." Actually the "In a Silent Way" set is quite nice ... I could never really get into Bitches Brew to be honest. The Miles Davis/John Coltrane set in the red metal box is great but that's mainly because it's mostly previously issued stuff conveniently collected in one place with just a few alternate takes.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 13:07:19 CEST 2010 from (90.239.111.243)

Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Country Joe And The Fish

NorthWestCoaster, thanks for mentioning Country Joe in this gb. Your entries are a fresh North Sea breeze among all these pathetic drunken menopause posters in this godforsaken gb.

May I call you NorthWestie ;-)


Entered at Sat Sep 4 12:34:17 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Blonde on Blonde

CBS / Sony must have done reasonably with their mega box set of every squeak, mutter and chair movement of "In A Silent Way" because now this month they've done the same with "Bitches Brew". They have established that there is an obsessive collector market out there for every tiny bit of Miles Davis, and to me it would make sense to do the same with Bob Dylan. Blonde on Blonde is the obvious one to try. Let's hope they follow through.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 12:33:55 CEST 2010 from (90.239.92.203)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Fish

Is this thread really about Country Joe And The Fish?


Entered at Sat Sep 4 11:50:22 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

That would be amazing.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 11:45:19 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

Rollie, sincere best wishes to you and yours and many thanks for the Last Waltz reminiscences. I loved what I've heard so far of your album and will order it soon.

There was a hint dropped in Rolling Stone this week from "a source close to the Dylan camp" : (quote) 'A giant box set of the complete Blonde on Blonde sessions is also being considered. "When Bob recorded he did it like a jazz guy, where all the versions of the songs are very different from each other," says the source. "I'd love to release a set where you hear the whole takes and everything else. That would just be for the super-fans."' (unquote)


Entered at Sat Sep 4 10:59:50 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Let's not forget Larry Campbell played with Cindi Lauper early on in the '90s.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 09:55:12 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rollie’s description of Muddy resonated with me too. I was in the front row (standing) when I saw him, right up against the stage, and the charisma was so tangible and powerful that I can’t think of many people anywhere near approaching it. The other one I saw who had such a massive charisma was Bill Clinton walking down the street in Mayfair, London with bodyguards (after his presidency). We were in a cafe right above the street and you could virtually feel him approaching. No doubt the secret of his success (in two fields).

I can believe Pete Seeger too … never a problem with the person, “I can’t stand the way he sings but I love to hear him talk” works for me there. In fact, at 91 he’s just released a new album, ‘Tomorrow’s Children.’ Unfortunately the review I read last Sunday gave it one out of five and said it was unlistenable to.

I had to look on amazon for the title. Like Cyndi Lauper’s “Memphis Blues” which I looked up yesterday, it’s not available on amazon.co.uk except one copy from a US based reseller, "used". That’s interesting. Over the last few years, everything started appearing new on both. Now they’re diverging again.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 09:30:52 CEST 2010 from (72.197.217.96)

Posted by:

Stacey Riordan

Location: San Diego

I grew up listening to your music. You always inspired me and, "The Last Waltz" made me cry because I knew it was over. RIP Rick Danko, Robbie, Levon, I still search you on the web and listen to my favorite songs by The Band. AND, I put in my DVD of "The Last Waltz" often so that I will never forget the special times we had with you. Thanks.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 02:56:45 CEST 2010 from (99.141.49.27)

Posted by:

Adam2

Rollie - fascinating read! thanks so much and I hope everything goes well for you.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 02:01:30 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Thanks folks!


Entered at Sat Sep 4 01:00:40 CEST 2010 from (64.203.233.76)

Posted by:

Amanda

Hello Rollie! I'll never forget your "If you can't enjoy the RCO Allstars, you must have a "hole in your soul!" quote. I don't even remember the year in GB history, but it has always stuck with me. I hope to never have the unfortunate experience of having a hole in MY soul. Much love & God Bless.


Entered at Sat Sep 4 00:15:06 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: In the Buff!

Lars! I'm still giggling...........Norbert in his guanch! Well this reminded me of a story.....I think I may have mentioned this......long way back down the line.

Logging truck driver named "Slim" about 1964, I don't remember his last gawd damn name. Any way, one night in the bull pen in the bunk house. Bunch of us sittin' 'round swappin' lies. So Slim tells this story. I don't know...somewhere in Alberta...... Montana who knows? He's driving long haul with another guy. Much the same as being on my tug. One guy is driving, the other is in the sleeper getting his shuteye. Well Slim pulls in this truck stop to get some butts & coffee. When he comes out unknown to him, his partener is out in his gaunch having a wizz. Slim is a real highball kind of guy, and so he has come on the off side of the truck from his pard, he just cuts her loose and rolls on.

Well some guy in a car comes along in a while, and here's this guy standing out on the road shivering with nothing on. The guy stops and lets him in and he tells what happened, so the guy smokes'em up and in a while pulls up along side Slim, and his partener is hanging out the window nekkid screaming, "STOP FOR FUCKS SAKE".

Slim spitts on the floor and says near as I ever come to a gawd damn heart attack......so there you go.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 23:34:11 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

NORBERT- You had me scared, I still am. I'm definitely NOT READY for the "dipper part."

Rollie- I really enjoyed that Last Waltz account. For some reason I must have missed that the first time you wrote it...so RR was talking to you...I always kind of wondered what that was about. Well done.

Joan- I guess we're not going to get much rain off of Old Earl, are we? My whole place is drying up and I can't irrigate enough. One jet pump doesn't go very far.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 23:06:39 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Rollie on TLW

I loved your "Last Waltz" memories, Rollie. If you feel up to it, I would love to read an expanded (and paragraphed) version. That would be a nice addition to the library of articles on Jan's site.

My favorite line from the little TLW essay was this one: "when Muddy walked into the room you could feel his presence, stateliness." I know exactly what you mean. In my life I've been lucky enough to meet people ranging from Chuck Berry to Richard Nixon but there were only two who struck me the way you describe Muddy Waters. One was--sorry Peter--none other than Pete Seeger. The other was a much more obscure guy, the African-American author and illustrator of children's books, Ashley Bryan. I did get to see Muddy Waters in concert once but was pretty far away (he opened for the Allman Brothers in their prime in a big venue in DC, the same place where I saw Dylan with The Band not long before).


Entered at Fri Sep 3 22:25:39 CEST 2010 from (24.143.60.154)

Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Interesting Web review of the album "Rick Danko"

Sorry if this link has already been posted.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 21:06:47 CEST 2010 from (79.202.188.94)

Posted by:

Norbert

Rollie, thanks for sharing, brings the magical event closer.

Lars, thanks for responding, as always brother. You know it was my intention to scare you, anyway let me know when you’re ready for the dipper part.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 20:34:11 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: True Colors

Larry Campbell has toured with Cyndi Lauper in the past. Allen Toussaint is among the artists who contributed to Ms. Lauper's new album and has performed with her recently.

Best wishes Rollie. Thanks for sharing your Last Waltz stories.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 20:25:07 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

If you don't know Largo, it's an essential one to get. Levon's duet with David Foreman "Gimmee A Stone" is one of his great collaborative performances … and there are enough of them to assemble an album.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 20:14:24 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks for that wonderful TLW story.

Cyndi Lauper was on the “Largo” album in 1998, as were Levon and Garth. Cyndi Lauper’s track “White Man’s Melody” is the one I’ve played most too. She did a good album “The Body Acoustic” re-imagining her hits a few years ago, then the last one, “Bring It To The Brink” tried the Madonna / Kylie route, and I didn’t like it. I like 90% of what she’s ever done though. Check out the “Largo” track.

Fish. Stopping rogue countries vacuuming up fish is a major international need. There’s some odd labelling going on though. I notice the supermarket now has frozen “organic” cod or haddock. I can see “organic” salmon or sea bass as both are heavily farmed, and you can certify they were fed organically. As neither cod nor haddock are farmed, surely the description “organic” is a plain lie? “wild” is accurate, but wild might mean it’s spent its life in the ocean far from shore, or that it found the plankton around the nuclear waste facilty particularly tasty, so fed there before swimming down to feed off an oil slick, or mercury waste.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 19:28:07 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Manuel movie

A link to the blog of the makers of the Documentary about Richard that will come out in March 2011.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 19:25:32 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

The Dukes of September cover "The Shape I'm In". The video is a bit rough but glad to see and hear it nonetheless.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 19:11:40 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: TLW from Jeff/ Cyndy Lauper

Thank you Jeff for that post on TLW. It was great, and left me smiling. What a wonderful thing for an 18 Year old to have experienced,Thanks for sharing it.

I've always liked Cyndy.I think she is very talented, and she has a great array of styles.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 19:01:28 CEST 2010 from (69.177.250.251)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Rollie at TLW

Hey Rollie, sorry to hear about your health problems. Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Thanks for reposting your TLW experience. I think that you must have been at the Miyako Hotel. Back in 2002 I bought a limited TLW vinyl reissue. 1 of 1500 copies, signed by Robbie. There was a bunch of memorabilia included in the box set, like ticket stubs, the yellow pin, and photos etc. (see link above for the Set). One of the items was a listing of all of the guests and their friends and which rooms they stayed in. You’re listed on there as Jeff Newsome (guess they spelled it wrong) with an “M” next to your name, in room 1106. Some of the other names have K’s next to them…presumably for the Kyoto Hotel. Pretty cool to see your name listed on the same call sheet as the guys in the Band, Muddy, Clapton, Ringo, Dylan etc.

The picture of the box set linked above is too small to see the names, but maybe I could make a copy of the guest sheet and send it to jan if there's interest.

Thanks again for sharing…..looking forward to your CD.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 18:41:08 CEST 2010 from (24.143.60.154)

Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: The New Last Waltz - Hip-hop style!

Pretty silly (and misguided in its description of Levon)comparison of Eminem and Jay-Z to Robbie and Levon, but I like that the writer is trying.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 18:31:47 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.191)

Posted by:

Steve

NB, Jian G interviewed Cindy a few months back about the album and her blues study preparing for the sessions. She's remarkably talented and can sing pretty much anything. I forget which songs they played during that interview but they were all worth the listen.

She's also a great interview, really knowledgeable and passionate about what she does.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 17:55:15 CEST 2010 from (65.47.151.50)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: The Last Waltz

Thank you, Jeff. I sure enjoyed that!


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:55:19 CEST 2010 from (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

NB

Location: just beyond Hope, (BC)
Web: My link

Subject: Cyndi Lauper Sings The Blues (no, not one of my little pranks)

Bill M. Thanks for the update on the (minor) Mynah Birds. Surprising they were pretty much unaware of the original band whose name they were about to use as their own. Kind of like starting a coffee and donut chain and unwittingly naming it JIM Hortons, which is actually one of my upcoming retirement get-rich-quick schemes. Yes, I have absolutely no recollection of Jericho in our high school gym so you may rest assured that they indeed performed there.

Not sure what to make of Cyndi Lauper's new "Memphis Blues" album which tops at least some blues charts. I'm inclined to dismiss a blues album by anyone who sang "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" but a quick sampling from Amazon reveals only one clunker, in my estimation. Without being told, on many of the cuts you wouldn't even recognize the voice as being Lauper's, (or at least I'didn't). One critic said this is the music she was born to sing. One gave her ten out of ten stars (careful dude, or we'll run out of stars !). The album has Jonny Lang, Allen TooSaintly, and BB King on it (or so I understand).

Here she is with Jonny Lang on Leno doing a pretty credible job on "Crossroads", especially with one incredibly stretched out note well into the clip. Now as for Leno himself, Jay, you're so dumb you should be a contestant on one of your own Jaywalker skits. The guy with the blues harp whom you failed to introduce at the start and whom you walked right by without even a handshake at the closing of the show was Charlie Musslewhite. How long have you been in the entertainment business Jay, you freakin' pinhead. NB.

PS I certainly enjoyed the Lauper, Lang, Musslewhite grouping on Leno more than last night's fare of Tadeschi, Trucks, and Herpie Hancock, though the latter weren't at all bad.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:58:42 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: The Last Waltz

Lars and JQ asked about my LW experience.Here's a post of mine from way back.........

Location: Winterland

Subject: The Last Waltz Remembered(for Catskill)

Many have heard the tale. This is for those who have not."...traveling from Salt Lake to S.F. in Garths's Mercedes , piloted by the one and only David Boyle. I'm 18. Dave is in his 40's? late 30's? I'm sure he doesn't know what to make of me. I sure as hell don't know what to make of him. Somewhere out in the Nevada desert he asks me if I've ever smoked pot. Not wanting to lie , but not wanting to confess to someone close to my fathers age(sort of)I suggest I may have tried it once or twice."Good" , he says, "reach into my coat pocket". I'm catatonic until we reach Mill Valley. I do recall at one point he pulled out some canned brown bread and sardines. They disappeared quickly! Mill Valley appears thru the fog(yes both kinds!)We reach the home of a young damsel who is obviously very interested in David, but barely notices the young squire standing next to him.Off they go,somewhere into the domicile, me to the couch. Make it into SF the next day, where I check into the Miyako Hotel(or is it Kyoto? Godfrey or Donabie wanna help me here?) I'm settling in chillin out, when an older guy comes in. What kind of people is my sister hangin out with I wonder? Jack Wingate is the fellows name, long time raconteur and pal to the Band.He's beginning to get the sense he may be in charge of baby sitting me, when a rather neandrathal-ish figure strolls in with a cowboy hat, and steals Jack away.I don't know who the guy is until I see him on stage the next day. Ronnie Hawkins. Down to lunchwith Garth,sis, and some other folks. Levon and Rick come strolling thru and steam is emanating from Levons head.We duck back into our lunches.Lunch over,we help Garth prepare for the big gig,ie; a trip to the hardware store!!!! Now I'm sure musicians are total screwballs!!!!!!! Back to the Lobby of the hotel,sis and I take a breather and have a seat. In thru the front doors comes Gods messenger. Muddy Waters!with Pinetop Perkins close behind. They sit down no more than five feet from us, waiting for their bags to be brought in.At that point in my life(and to this day)there existed no greater a human being. I've since heard that when Muddy walked into a room , you could feel his presence, stateliness.To be ssure , I sat stunned, mesmerized. I forever want to go back to that moment, and hold the conversation I didn't have the nerve to discuss then. A few hrs later, I'm waiting for Bill Grahams son to bring the motor home around to the hotel to take guests down to the Winterland to check out rehearsals. I'm blown away when he shows up!! He can't be more than 12? 13? Should I get in? He can't even see over the wheel!!!!! Fuck it! I'm definitely on this bus!!! The floor of the Winterland is sparse compared to the onslaught the following evening. Scorcese and Bill Graham are getting into it......Joni Mitchell-riveting, Clapton, cookin. This is the rehearsal??? The day of the show, some photographer hands me the set list , and as a prank, tells me to call out the name of the songs beforre they happen.(yep, you can me hear hollerin before "Ophelia" and Robbie replying"You got it"on the recording. Fascinating ,eh??" Could the photographer have been Elliot Landy? Get down to the Winterland early.5:30ish ---Everybody gets fed the full on Thanksgiving dinner. Tables cover the entire floor. Dinner over, Ballroom dancing. A boogie -woogie piano player either preceeded or followed this. Bill Graham introduces the show"Good Evening". You know the rest. Ahh, the good old days. Garth picks up the newspaper the following morning, which announces that Robertson has led the Band thru the Last Waltz, or something to that effect."Fuckin guitar players get all the credit" he mumbles in mock disgust. Down the hall we go to breakfast, when we're cut off by a haggard looking Neil Young."How bout a little O' Canada,Garth" he says brandishing a harmonica.We wander off, with the canadian national anthem trailing in the distance,my last remebrance of a mind blowing event


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:55:53 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeff, thanks for your reply. Would you kindly email me at bwigo at verizon.net when you can? Thanks.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:43:44 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: The Shack

ps Bob --The cover photo was taken by Flo McCall.All others by brother David who is an excellent photographer.(see David Newsom Photography on the web.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:37:15 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: The Shack

Bob, I lived in that shack for 4yrs and now use it for storage.Thats where I first learned to play slide guitar.On the CD I play one tune (Hot Tamales)on a 1930 National Triolian (standard tuning ,finger pick).Harmonica on all the rest.Vocals on all but 2 songs.Mike Dowling sings "Dead Presidents" and Ben Winship sings "Call it Religion". Thanks for your help and great to hear from you!----JN


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:30:46 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Two Points

In thinking of Rollie's unfortunate situation, I'm reminded of "Knockin' Lost John" and wondering how that boy is fairing in hopes that he's ok.

The interesting thing about these sockeye. In the North Pacific, the "deep sea fishing" from ocean going canneries like the Koreans. They run up to 30 kilometers of net A DAY. They target on the schools of fish by spotting planes, very often nearly wiping out entire runs for a season.

It could be that the strenuous work from our countries, putting the run on these illegal fishing operations with our planes, and those of the USA and other countries may be helping some of the runs. There was a big run of these fish on the Fraser 4 years ago on the cycle. Some how a great number managed to survive, (by some miracle). So our people from Port Hardy to Mission....up the river have gotten some benefit, (although the price drops of course). There was also a record run in Barkley Sound on the west coast of Vancouver Island....go figure.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:29:54 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Sorry for the typo.....I wish you all the best.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:25:42 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeff, I am looking forward to your CD and have passed on the ordering information to as many folks as possible. I've been enjoying the great photographs on your Facebook page. Is there a story behind that little shack in the one entitled "The Shack Lives"? That's a terrific photograph. Did you take it?

I wish all you the best and keep you in my thoughts and prayers.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 16:08:52 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.191)

Posted by:

Steve

Sea lice are a problem but the most serious threat caused by fish farming is interbreeding.

Farm fish have a very narrow genetic make up as opposed to wild stocks that have wide genetic variations within a species making them better able to survive infections or changes in the environment.

The Chilean fish farming business that has grown to be one of the largest in the world is on the verge of collapse because of a virus that the fish are almost all susceptible to.

The threat to wild species from farmed fish is when large numbers of farmed fish escape and breed with the wild stocks and slowly start narrowing the diversity of the genetics of the wild stocks. Hopefully the DFO have only misplaced the east coast cod stocks as well and some day they'll come swimming home.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 15:42:07 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Friends & Fish

Hi Joe; Yeah........cruises.....I don't know. Susan is always trying to get me to take her on one. I think I'd be pretty bored too.

Make no mistake. Farm fishing is taking it's toll on the wild runs of Knight Inlet, Bute Inlet, and a few others. These are the areas where the wild stocks must pass many farms, and the sea lice that congregate there have decimated pink & chum salmon.

The Fraser sockeye don't travel those areas on their route home. Sockeye also travel very fast and don't dally.

Rollie, you, of course don't know me. I recall enjoying many of your posts in days gone by. I am today ordering your CD. If you care to e mail me an address, I'd like to send you a copy of the CD I finished a while back, (at no cost of course). You may enjoy the harp player Dino Vassos who plays some good stuff in our effort.

We all wish you strength to battle this terrible disease, and know that you are in the thoughts of all of us here.

Best regards,.......Norm Jones... tugmanatshawdotca


Entered at Fri Sep 3 13:23:08 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Eastcoast

Subject: fish

Norm, I've actually been following the salmon run with great interest. Seems as if only yesterday I was watching a documentary that said farmed salmon would mean the decline of the wild stock. Seems as if it ain't necessarily so. Of course the bureaucrats and scientists at DFO are totally at a loss to explain this phenomenom. Anyway here's to all the fishermen on the Fraser. May their nets be full, not to mention the freezers and cupboards.

By the way I was out your way a couple months ago. First and last cruise ship. So boring but the missus enjoyed a class reunion aboard ship so it wasn't all bad. Spent a lot of time on the balcony with my binoculars. Awesome scenery and calm seas but relatively little wildlife.


Entered at Fri Sep 3 07:12:04 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Something to wash away the image of Norb in briefs...

We need some rain, very badly.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 23:23:12 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Trust me Steve,thats my last cover.............


Entered at Thu Sep 2 23:13:45 CEST 2010 from (91.42.254.114)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: My underwear

If it comes down to underwear I’m old fashioned. Usually I’ll go for warm and cozy, old school, Brown album type of thing (soft top, long short legs, practical dark). My wife tried to lighten it up bit once, but that didn’t last long, too tight in several areas, felt like I didn’t belong in there.

Anyway John Winger once said: “Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual.”


Entered at Thu Sep 2 21:32:42 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve Steve Steve. Vertical stripes is fine in theory for underwear models in department-store catalogues, seeing as they're always standing around holding tennis raquets and stuff. But real-life guys like Rollie want to spend a lot of time sitting down and with sitting down, the longer the underwear the more the vertical becomes horizontal. Talk about clash! Plus, the wearer looks L-shaped.

What would Levon do?


Entered at Thu Sep 2 21:07:01 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Jericho - the Bearsville group, not the Band album

Thought this article might interest some of you. They played my highschool, though I missed them and - based on past performance - NB won't remember if he did or didn't. Gord Fleming was replaced on keys, post-LP, by ex-Hawk / ex-Suede Scott Cushnie, who I saw in the crowd a couple weekends ago at the Kensington Market show. He'd been in the Vendettas with Market leader Keith McKie in the '60s, having hooked up with them when Ronnie Hawkins signed them at a time when Scott was the A&R guy for Hawkins's Hawk label.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 20:59:17 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Sure, Rollie, sure. You call them what you like but as a long time disciple of, La Vie En Sous-Vetements, I can spot a pair of fine dining underwear even when partially concealed beneath a suit coat.

A fashion note for your next cover; Horizontal lines on a jacket always clash with dark, solid colored, under wear. If you're going with stripes make them vertical and very wide. Choice of suitable colors is then also quite wide.

As a bonus wide vertical stripes make you look taller, even when seated. It's a win, win.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 20:29:30 CEST 2010 from (91.42.254.114)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Serenity

Heee Serenity! good to see you, missed you! please visit us here more often, thanks xxx.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 20:19:34 CEST 2010 from (90.233.224.33)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Bob Dylan to Exhibit at the National Gallery of Denmark

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is rumoured that the original painting of the cover of Music From Big Pink (and my favourite Self Portrait) is shown in Copenhagen. I'll be there for sure! - So it was not just coinsidence when Dylan sang "When I Paint My Masterpiece" in Copenhagen.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 20:13:57 CEST 2010 from (166.129.244.41)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Holy Cow

Cub fans, Pat B, et al. I haven't been watching too closely for the last month but, what gives? The Cubs are now 5 back of Houston? With the 3rd worst record in the NL? My goodness, what a team & organizational collapse. And now the dismantling has begun too? See you around 2015, eh?


Entered at Thu Sep 2 18:52:39 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Richard & Steve--- Thanks for checking in and helping out.Steve,thats not underwear! Those are shorts!Plus ,I think you'll enjoy the CD despite the harmonica.Lottsa variety on there.......


Entered at Thu Sep 2 18:50:44 CEST 2010 from (90.239.102.35)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: the dock

Subject: Peter V. :Take Five / On royalty streams

I purchased "Dave Brubeck's Greatest hits" when I was 14 years old. A fortune for a schoolboy. "Take Five" was _THE_ jazz tune back then: da-daa-da-da// dung - dung / da-daa-da// dung - dung... In mid sixties I cut class and took a buss to a jazz festival where I saw them playing this tune. So, why not? It is certainly played in commercials all over the world.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 18:43:53 CEST 2010 from (95.16.167.82)

Posted by:

Richard P

Hey Rollie,

Not sure if we ever directly corresponded in here previously, but I sure remember reading your posts. Was astonished to find out just recently that you were at the last waltz (no honest, I have visited this site before :).

Will be buying your CD on the strength of the samples I’ve heard. Sounds like great stuff!

Cheers, R.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 18:34:19 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: oversharing

Steve: I learned a new acronym just two days ago - TMI. Seems to fit the bill.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 18:19:07 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Rollie, I'm not a great harp fan, though I did enjoy the album samples posted by PSB, but will be buying the CD based upon the cover photo. Jacket, underwear and guitar covers all the bases for me. When my kids see me wearing pants in the house they always ask where I'm going.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 16:55:29 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

JQ and Lil---Thanks for checking in!---JN


Entered at Thu Sep 2 16:24:05 CEST 2010 from (166.129.244.41)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: TLW insider edition

All the very best Rollie. And if you feel like it maybe you could share some interesting stories, your personal favorite moments, song reviews, etc of The Last Waltz.

I think It's time for some unabashed bragging about your attendance there -


Entered at Thu Sep 2 15:55:12 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I have no doubt that a thorough search of the internet will find more mentions of Rollie at TLW than of anyone else aside from our guys themselves. In fact, a mind-map based on the data would show just three blobs - one marked "Stage - Band", one marked "Audience - Rollie", and one marked "Backstage Buffet - Donabie".

NB: Speaking of research, the New Mynah Birds turned up at a nearby drinking hole 10 days ago so I zipped over to check them out. The drummer was most certainly recognisable, even after nearly 40 friggin' years, as Bart D of Dungbarton High., though without the big hair. He's not in touch with anyone from the old school aside from Mike McD, who he says is also still playing. As for the Mynah Birds connection, there apparently is none. From what I could gather, the bandleader intended to call them the Mynah Birds but found out that the name had been taken. Neither he nor Bart had any idea of the Neil Young / Rick James connection. The singer did, but obviously couldn't be bothered getting involved in the bassist's business.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 15:38:32 CEST 2010 from (12.40.50.1)

Posted by:

Lauren

Location: New York

Subject: be careful around labor Day

Hey Robbie.Ages. Hope that all is well. There are threats again like pre 911 threats. Told yesterday that when the Prez and Congress come on Tuesday morning back to work that there might be a dc hit. I am alsos told that the extreme obsession with "only Muslimism" is the problem. Told the names, Berger as in Arlene Berger is a major problem, Sandy Berger Ali??? and Obama/Michele/ Rahm group in the White House. Getting ready to finally tesitfy gfter all this time about pre and after 911 info. If our communications had not been separated, I gurantee you the war would not have been like the torture it has been. The threats of rape and torture by blacks is not only a horror, but a shock. A guy name "Martens" (white) is I am told a hosptial kidnapping horror. Their tech has to be out of the airspace within 48 hours. Contact Arnold please. I cannot sign up for an account. Dc or NY whom do you think is more guilty of thier anti real cop/female White hatred?


Entered at Thu Sep 2 13:26:34 CEST 2010 from (68.237.141.115)

Posted by:

Lil

Jeff: Just wanted to say hello and let you know you're in my thoughts here. Will be ordering your cd and am really excited to hear it! Take care of yourself and know that you have many friends out here wishing you only the best.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 10:53:15 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Take Five / On royalty streams

I saw in an article this week (The Word?) that "Take Five" generates $100,000 a year currently, which was all donated to the American Red Cross by its writer, Paul Desmond. I found that hard to believe, in that it's a bit too hard to play for there to be huge numbers of cover versions, and Dave Brubeck is hardly current. But that's what it said. It made me put it on to listen again. It is still a very good tune.So you never know what lies ahead. I bet Reg Presley had forgotten all about Love Is All Around, then a film director pulls it out of the past, re-does it and he's in clover.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 10:34:59 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the mosquito choked turtle pond

Subject: dlew, Beatles shredding, et al...

dlew, I loved the Beatle shred post. Going outta my mind trying to figure out what the original song was... That "shred video guy" sure has the chops! Fooled my brother in law with his earlier "Clapton shreds" post. Hey Rollie, I missed TLW, and have been making up for it ever since... about 150 Band-related shows in the interim, including Barn Burners gigs, some with Bobby F Keyes!, Howlin' for Hubert, Prof Louie & Rick stuff, Rick & Levon in '83 (the BEST shows of my life!), stuff with the Cates, Weider, Max Weinburg, Richard, Garth and Rick shows. The '90's Band. Saw the boys at Tony Mart's in '84(?) and it was strange, but pure early '60s Hawks stuff mixed in with "Rock & Roll Shoes" and cool rootsy stuff. Not to mention Rambles since 2004. From the start, digging wherever Lee wants to go with it. Deep and wide. Struck up a friendship with Hubert... although my 23 year old nephew has been in his corner since 2007. Gotta give it to those kid musicians.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 05:10:16 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rollie: I haven't known what to say, that hasn't already been said by the more eloquent of us...

But as even Serenity has come back, let me add my words of goodwill and goodwishes! any chance of a signed Cd, when I order it of course.

and, I heard you went to a concert in Fillmore West in 1976. Is that right?


Entered at Thu Sep 2 04:43:51 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Zune is coming on strong. Cd baby just reported that Zune paid me 3 cents (.029 actually, cd baby rounded up on their own it seems) for 8 streams of songs on April 15th 2010, the pay per stream being $0.00360000 this time.


Entered at Thu Sep 2 04:10:22 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Steve,Charlie,Serenity...thank you all.----JN


Entered at Thu Sep 2 03:57:01 CEST 2010 from (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Location: Kitchener, Ontario CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: For ROLLIE

Hi all!! Long time gone, but heard about ROLLIE, and had to send him my best wishes.Take care, dear ROLLIE, God Bless you.

I love and miss you all very much.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Thu Sep 2 00:01:20 CEST 2010 from (59.101.4.197)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: The Beatles - lipsynced...

Lip-reading Beatles?

'hey Ringo - do the face' ...


Entered at Wed Sep 1 20:03:29 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Lars and Joan,thank you.I'm doing the best I can . Lars,TLW was a dream, a very good one, now a memory that I hate to see fade.Such is life.---JN


Entered at Wed Sep 1 19:34:24 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

ROLLIE: For the past 14 years I thought you were only KIDDING about being at TLW. If you were actually there, how was it?

For what it's worth, I have you in my prayers, along with a lot of other concerns.


Entered at Wed Sep 1 19:20:34 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rollie

Hi Rollie! I'm kind of new around here. I've seen you post occasionally. But I do know you were at the Last Waltz. :)

Seriously, I heard the samples of your CD and ordered it. My prayers for you. Keep fighting.


Entered at Wed Sep 1 18:01:58 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Further to my comment on Merilee Rush's version of "Reach Out I'll Be There" a few days ago. I was impressed enough with the other singles to order her "Best of …" CD. It says that she turned up to see Chips Moman at the Memphis studio, clutching a copy of the Vanilla Fudge LP, and insisted they do a "You Keep Me Hanging On". I'll tell you what, those session guys could take off Vanilla Fudge without breaking sweat!


Entered at Wed Sep 1 15:30:23 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Henhouse Tapes

I just ordered the CD and look forward to hearing it. The samples on that YouTube video are great--especially since that harmonica work sounds like John Sebastian and Paul Butterfield were sitting in. All the best to you, Rollie.


Entered at Wed Sep 1 14:42:26 CEST 2010 from (206.47.201.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Keep on truckin, Jeff. Don't let the moss grow under your feet. On a positive note, yesterday, JK Rowling contributed $15,000,000.00 to a fund doing research on ALS.


Entered at Wed Sep 1 11:32:49 CEST 2010 from (99.141.63.31)

Posted by:

Adam2

Web: My link

Subject: Picture of Garth w/ Delaney & Bonnie

I've been getting into Delaney & Bonnie's music, and happened to stumble upon this picture...


Entered at Wed Sep 1 05:58:59 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Hey! Great to hear from you Sam! (Tom) I'll be in touch.--JN


Entered at Wed Sep 1 03:10:23 CEST 2010 from (24.47.42.238)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Rollie! Did you say you were at TLW? How long did you plan to keep that from us :-) I don't frequent the 'ol GB as much as before, but a very considerate poster contacted me via email to tell me about your battle. I was thrilled to see that you're in here posting. You have my prayers and support man - and I'm going to buy that CD of yours. It sounds like good stuff. You are one of my favorite posters from way back when we would be around these parts daily. Your musical observations and sense of humor are always fun. Be well Jeff. Godspeed. Tom


Entered at Wed Sep 1 02:49:28 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Phenomenon

This post is directed mostly at the east coaster Joe Jennings, however others may be interested.

I'm wondering Joe if you are aware of what is going on out here right now concerning salmon? The Fraser River run, "expectations" now has been up graded to 30 million sockeye. The biggest run since, I think it's 1908. As well Barkley Sound on the west coast of Vancouver Island, also had a record breaking run of sockeye. No one has any idea why.

For a seine boat, a 4 or 5 thousand fish set, (meaning setting the net and hauling one time) is pretty damn big. They have been getting sets of 20,000. A gillnetter, like my boat I always fished, on our evening drift, (or set), 2 or 3 hundred would be great. Night before last in Johnstone Strait, they had 1000 average for evening drift.

I got 12 sockeye from my brother over in Campbell River, and canned 36 jars, and put some in the pickle. I just now went down to the wharf to check my tug, (it's blowing like hell here right now.) A friend of mine from Port Hardy was on his way to Vancouver to deliver his load with his seine boat. He had to stop in here to get out of the weather for a few hours. So as I went down to check my boat, he was there. He had 20,000 sockeye aboard. He threw another 12 in my cooler for me. Now I got to do this GAWD DAMN canning all over again......I'm freezing some in steaks tho.

But what a shocker.......fish every where. Besides which, I just finished making 18 jars of salsa. I'm tired I tell yuh!


Entered at Wed Sep 1 02:26:31 CEST 2010 from (216.128.235.138)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Holy Smokes!

I am blown away by the generosity shown for Jane and I here.I was just checking in to say hello to the gang and when I saw my CD posted I was completely floored. Thank you so much doesn't do justice here but thank you--JN

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