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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, July 2010


Entered at Sat Jul 31 23:30:17 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Garland Jeffreys video ,`j ust because he's always been incredible.

David ,I also thoguht it was Barry Goldberg, who once was thin and mustachioed or bearded.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 22:53:53 CEST 2010 from (91.42.255.21)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

We're off to Saarbrücken and France for a week or so.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 22:37:58 CEST 2010 from (79.202.180.108)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Band as home cooked meal

Was just looking at Charlie's Pandora Internet Radio (couldn't get the thing to work b.t.w.), anyway found this (remarkable) comment on our Band over there.

"The Bands music ,to me is like a great HOME COOKED DINNER. There may be better meals from 5 star restaurants, but there is something special about the home cooked ones. Thats my strange analogy of it."


Entered at Sat Jul 31 21:35:08 CEST 2010 from (79.202.164.206)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Great Intro's ("the intro should be short, tight, crisp and contain a couple of magic words")

“The poet laureate of rock 'n' roll. The voice of the promise of the '60s counterculture. The guy who forced folk into bed with rock, who donned makeup in the '70s and disappeared into a haze of substance abuse, who emerged to 'find Jesus,' who was written off as a has-been by the end of the '80s, and who suddenly shifted gears and released some of the strongest music of his career beginning in the late '90s. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Columbia recording artist Bob Dylan."


Entered at Sat Jul 31 21:21:30 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Pandora Internet Radio

My daughter directed me to Pandora, the free online radio service where listeners can type in a favorite artist and get a steady stream of music chosen to fit those tastes. I put in "The Band" and first heard TNTDODD followed by an Allman Brothers song, Van Morrison, Van Morrison with The Band (at TLW), "Acadian Driftwood," the Grateful Dead, more Allman Brothers and then LED ZEPPELIN!! They were doing great until that last track. What were they thinking?

Pandora may lure some listeners away from Sirius-XM since that satellite radio service no longer provides free online access for those who pay the monthly subscription fees. Pandora is free of charge and the quality is excellent.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 18:44:25 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Old

Peter, I heard it as "The Beatles, that was the band Paul McCartney was in before Wings" Slightly different take, but still makes me feel old.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 18:07:33 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Dlew … did you know the lead singer of Wings used to be in The Beatles? (drop that one in, I actually heard that in the late 70s)..

Rock / Pop list. All fantastic songs. Not a dud there. The first problem is which version? I assume we’d all go for Don McLean over Madonna on American Pie? You’ve Got A Friend … Carole King or James Taylor? James Taylor, but then again the recent live duet is stunning.

Walking in Memphis … Marc Cohn or Cher? Cher definitely.

From “Graceland” I’d choose Diamonds on The Soles Of Her Shoes, but that’s “world.” No, I’ve just thought of six Paul Simon songs which couldn’t possibly be excluded. Impossible.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 18:00:56 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norm, absolutely on Eddie Cochran, and on Rock Around The Clock, which while not a great rendition, was era defining. Be Bop A Lula should find a place, I think.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 17:58:05 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rage against the Age!

Hey Norm: if you ever want to feel old, lecture 1st or second year university students on pop music. Most of them were 1 when 'Nevermind' came out... I was talking about record sales and got to 'Rumours' ('Dreams' could go on that last list, or indeed' The Chain' - anyway). I had to explain who Fleetwood Mac was.... adn explain the context of 'Rumours' /n Boy did I feel decrepit (and Fleetwood Mac was an 'old' band when I was their age...

they're not dumb kids by any standard by the way... just the age difference became very apparent...


Entered at Sat Jul 31 17:49:51 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Refining the Defining....

I thought I'd put Summer time blues - the vicious job of editing... picking 1 who song - I went for the latter period.. you could cheat, I suppose, and put in the 'Tommy'... I think 'Substitute' beats out 'Generation' if only because it's a more iconic riff for composition. /n I had 'Diamond Dogs' in for a bit, took it out. But Sweet Jane is the better one - captures VU and Bowie

The 'folk/pop' list...

'You've got a friend'; Bridge over troubled water'; blowin' in the wind'; 'graceland' 'Your Song'; 'piano man'; 'baker street'; 'streets of london'; 'the weight'; 'walkin' in memphis'; 'fast car'; 'you're so vain'; 'abraham, martin adn john', 'both sides now'; 'Carmelita'; 'Big Yellow Taxi'; 'Hotel California'; '; 'Heart of Gold'; 'American Pie'; 'Daydream Believer'

Now I KNOW there are problems with that list...


Entered at Sat Jul 31 17:48:39 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Rock?? Rock & Roll......There is a difference

David; You need to define which you mean. Going back to the roots of Rock & Roll.

That'll be the Day....Sweet Little Sixteen....The Del Vikings, "Come go with Me". Is the deinitive Rock & Roll. As well as American Graffitti, look up a great old movie "American Hot Wax". The story of Allen Freid. I'm sure you will understand what "Hot Wax" refers to.

Just as Peter has suggested, in the beginning of Rock & Roll, you have to put Summertime Blues at the top. You see, you had to be there to feel what those feelings were like in the early 50's. Another that no one seems to realize has to be at the top is Bill Haley's Rock Around the Clock.

In 1955 I was 11 years old. There was a public swimming pool, in a community called Port Kells, near Cloverdale where I lived. We used to congregate there to swim every day we could. There was a hot dog, chip stand, and standing out in the dirt was a big old Wurlitzer. We plugged a lot of nickels in that thing. I don't exagerate when I tell you Rock around the clock played so much, I recall the guy replacing that 45 at least a couple of times, 'cause they kept wearing out.

It gives a chuckle here to tell a person's age by what songs they pick to be at the top of their list, because they only reach back so far.

Mentioning Wurlitzer, brings me to another Waylon song I played for years on stage. "The Wurlitzer Prize"

The lyrics go......

I'm not here to forget you, I'm here to recall,

Things we used to say and do, I don't want to get over you,

I dont want to get over you,

They ott to give me the Wurlitzer prize,

For all the silver I let slide down the slot

Playing those song sung blue......

Joe! I saw your picks and they are good. I wasn't ignoring you...sorry.

Norbert, did you see they guy go in the water off that little tug?? That was too much. Susan has been wanting to go on a cruise. I showed here the vid. of that cruise ship just about rolling over. It cured her!


Entered at Sat Jul 31 17:23:41 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.186)

Posted by:

Steve

#1 with a bullet in the spirit of pure rock fun( and rock and roll is all about fun) is, And Your Bird Can Sing. Just love Paul and George's guitar sound on this one. A catchy Lennon melody with strong contributions from the P and G make it irresistible.

Then it's back to, Revolution, with it's loud, hard edged, fuzzy guitar sound. Top notch rock with a message and once again a John creation.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 15:42:18 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I’d meant to put Tutti Frutti in my first list. You do have to have an Eddie Cochran … Summertime Blues, C’mon Everybody or Somethin’ Else. Any one works. I prefer Dlew’s choice of Please Please Me to She Loves You. I’ll go with that. Do you know, really, really I’d choose From Me To You, but I don’t think anyone else would. You could argue Twist & Shout in The Beatles vesion.

That’ll be The day? Yes. Wake Up Little Susie? Yes. Like A Rolling Stone? Yes. Either My Generation or Substitute is needed. I prefer Substitute but suspect My Generation is more iconic. Purple Haze would be my Hendrix choice. We Will Rock You? Yes. Maybe the post-punk one is Should I Stay or Should I Go? but that’s the Levi advert influence.

I think Born to Run would have to be there. As the years go by, I prefer 10th Avenue Freeze Out, but I think it’s familiarity.

I’m thinking Bowie or Lou Reed / VU need to be there. Only one track out of the twenty though, so Sweet Jane beats out Rebel Rebel (remember, this is defining rock, not “best Bowie song”..

I agree that Layla’s overplayed out. I think “Oh, no not again” but when “All Right Now” starts my anticipation of the bass keeps me smiling.

I think The Weight is part of a different list, equally important, but not “definitive rock.” Paul Simon, James Taylor, Bob Dylan and others would be in that other list.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 14:49:32 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Indeed, Dave H...

Once in a lifetime goes in, but what goes out? ... I'm actually tempted to take out - gosh, this is hard: in tribute to Brien Sz - layla goes. For now...


Entered at Sat Jul 31 13:52:28 CEST 2010 from (76.216.20.85)

Posted by:

Dave H

Can't disagree with any of those choices but I think my list would include at least one or two representatives of punk/new wave. London Calling? Radio Radio? Once in a Lifetime? Patti Smith's Gloria?


Entered at Sat Jul 31 13:15:01 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Great thing about the diversity of music is how all sorts can bring smiles to our faces. I used to really like All Right Now, it does have a good groove and it really does epitomize what the rock sound is but for me, the song was played to death and is now on that list of songs that I will rarely listen to anymore. The number 1 song in that category of songs I can't listen to anymore...., Layla.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 11:55:43 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: An alternate list

The other way to define is through the roots: from this I get...

Boogie Chillen, Maebelline, Crossroad Blues, Lost Highway, Folsom Prison Blues, Keep on the Sunny Side, I'm a man of constant sorrow, Roll in my Sweet Baby's arms, I'm a Man, Hoochie Coochie Man, I feel good, my baby just cares for me, struttin' with some barbeque, He'll have to go, Sweet Home Chicago, Caldonia, Blue Moon of Kentucky, How Blue can you get...

Again: your turn!


Entered at Sat Jul 31 11:42:55 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: 20 songs to define rock...

Great question - here's my list - feel free to pick and edit and destroy... I've done four or five drafts ... it's not easy ... the trick is to include all eras, if not all genres... there are some painful cuts, and some songs incorporate 2 or 3 ideas ('All Along the Watchtower' covers both virtuosic guitar and Bob Dylan in two versions... and probably knocks out 'Sunshine of your love', though maybe not...

So: in no particular order, dlew's 20 songs to define rock and roll to someone who'd never heard it before ...

Heartbreak Hotel, Tutti Frutti, Johnny B. Goode, That'll be the day, Wake Up Little Suzy, Please Please Me, Gimme Shelter, Layla, Like a Rollin' Stone, Smells like teen spirit, seven nation army, lola, stairway to heaven, Badlands, all along the watchtower, all right now, smoke on the water, river deep, mountain high, we will rock you/we are the champions, the weight.

Your turn! :)


Entered at Sat Jul 31 09:32:42 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Brien. I’ve just got up and am off to a Record Fair in Southampton, but will investigate when I get back. I’m not going to leap to argue the merits of a band I rarely listen to (Free) over one I’ve hardly ever heard (AC/DC).

My point about “All Right Now” is it is one of the dozen or twenty songs you’d use to explain “What is rock music?” It’s an all-time great straightforward rock single, up there with Summertime Blues, Johnny B. Goode, Great Balls of Fire, Heartbreak Hotel, She Loves You, Satisfaction, You Really Got Me, Proud Mary etc. I don’t listen to much else by Free anymore, but “All Right Now” always brings a smile to my face.

And they were so young when they got that good. Fabulous bass playing.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 08:59:21 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: ACtaully went and saw AC/DC 2 months back

They were indeed very good - amazing energy for 65 year olds... In all honesty, Heaven and Hell (Black Sabbath wiht Ronnie James Dio) was better (more swing and more .... risk), but I couldn't complain. Second most diverse audience (after the Cure) I'd ever seen...


Entered at Sat Jul 31 06:56:49 CEST 2010 from (99.141.24.175)

Posted by:

Adam

I remember reading some stray article that said how Bon Scott, early in his career, was in a group who idolized the Band.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 06:21:19 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Brian, so elitist--with AC/DC no less!!

Of course, I'm kidding. It so happens that Thunderstruck is the theme of a sports talk show here in Chicago that a friend of mine hosts. Many thousands of Chicagoans hear it every day, maybe even some Band fans.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 05:32:04 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Web: My link

Subject: Paul McCartney Gershwin Prize Performances Video

Emmylou Harris was wonderful as usual on the tribute to Paul McCartney at the White House as he was honored for winning the Gershwin Prize for popular music from the Library of Congress. I've posted the link for the entire PBS program here. It's mostly great. Enjoy!


Entered at Sat Jul 31 03:13:16 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Ok - one last one. This is Highway to Hell with the original lead singer Bon Scott from 79 in Germany, on some pop show.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 02:59:07 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Last one - Back in Black, their other "hit".


Entered at Sat Jul 31 02:48:19 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Can this guys voice get anymore gravel in it? How long can one sing/scream like this? It cracks me up to crank this stuff. I love it. Call it a guilty pleasure - it just kicks ass. The song is called Thunderstruck - probably something most folks here haven't heard.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 02:42:16 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

I'm sitting in my office blowing up balloons for my daughter's 8th birthday party tomorrow and the whole AC/DC thing has me on You Tube checking out their songs, so I figured I link a few so Peter and others can have a taste (if ever so briefly).

The link is to You Shook Me All Night Long - one of their bigger hits - you may have heard this. Forgive the cheesy video, for they did not know any better in the early 80's.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 00:51:13 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Sir Paul Macca and Mr. Declan McManus

That clip of Mr. McManus (aka Elvis Costello) singing "Penny Lane" is great. I'm sorry I forgot to watch the broadcast this week, but happy to see the whole thing is up for viewing on the PBS website right now.

Those of us lucky enough to live in the DC area have the chance to see the amazing USMC band pretty often. I also got to see a couple of members of the Marine Band sit in with some former Frank Zappa band members--including orginal Mothers of Invention guys Don Preston and Bunk Gardner--at a concert by the Zappa tribute band, Project-Object a few years back. Hearing members of the USMC band playing tunes like Zappa's "King Kong" and "Uncle Meat" was a surreal moment to say the least.

That must have been a remarkable moment for that Master Sergeant to play the solo in front of Sir Paul. The interview linked above has Sir Paul sounding like George Burns at times--not that there's anything wrong with that--but gives some insights into his father's popular music tastes (including the Gershwin brothers) influence on Paul's own music.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 00:19:32 CEST 2010 from (79.202.179.159)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan on the 9/11 conspiracy (link)

I'll stop right now.


Entered at Sat Jul 31 00:03:08 CEST 2010 from (91.42.244.112)

Posted by:

anonymous Band fan

Web: My link

Some Dylan pictures by Paul Till (link).


Entered at Fri Jul 30 23:58:57 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.30)

Posted by:

Steve

Bob, does the old USMC really have a Mono Sodium Glutamate rank now?


Entered at Fri Jul 30 23:49:24 CEST 2010 from (91.42.244.112)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Some Landy pictures under the link (must have been posted before).


Entered at Fri Jul 30 23:31:48 CEST 2010 from (91.42.244.112)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: ACϟDC

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Entered at Fri Jul 30 23:30:44 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Brian Sz: Well put. Me, I absolutely love YSMANL but can't think of anything else that would make my Best of Free and AC/DC LP if I were in the business. Lest anyone think I'm gaga over Free, their double retrospective LP was one LP too many. But that's just me.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 23:05:47 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Bill - i can say they are bettter than Free because that is how I feel about it. I'm not doubting Free's musical skills and so on. I would simply prefer to listen AC/DC over Free.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 22:40:55 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Paul McCartney -- The Gershwin Award

Hats off to MSgt. Matthew Harding of the USMC who nailed the piccolo trumpet solo during Elvis Costello's performance of Penny Lane at the White House. Imagine playing that piece with Paul McCartney sitting in the front row. Must have been an incredible moment.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 22:41:48 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "You Shook Me All Night Long" vs "All Right Now"? / Amos Garrett and Jim Byrnes on radio

Brien Sz: I agree that Free and AC/DC don't belong in the same category, which means that I also don't see how you can say that all those AC/DC songs are better than anything by Free. Free at its best was outstanding musicianship, outstanding vocals, excellent songs and a great groove. AC/DC at its best was/is solid musicianship, clever songs and outstanding dynamics. AC/DC and Bad Company might be a more apt comparison - and there AC/DC would win hands down.

For the Amos Garrett and/or Jim Byrnes fans in the audience:

CBC radio two, 7pm...
Monday, August 2, 2010
concert 1: Fathers & Sons
recorded at Capilano University in North Vancouver
Mentor and Protégé. In most cases, these roles are clear. But when you bring together Jim Byrnes, Doug Cox, Steve Dawson and Amos Garret as Fathers & Sons, the roles get blurred. These four musicians set the standard for folk and blues and yet seem to pick up fresh ideas from one another along the way. Hear them exchange ideas tonight on Canada Live and discover why they command so much respect.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 22:25:45 CEST 2010 from (91.42.244.112)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: AC\DC (things to know)

Angus Young (the gitar schoolboy) lives in a little Dutch town called Aalten now (huge hous see link). Aalten is close to the German border, in the middle of nowhere (about 30 miles from our house in Germany, although I don't see him every day). He married a girl from there some 30 years ago.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 21:39:36 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter - First, I don't consider Free in the same genre as AC/DC. Secondly, for me at least, AC/DC does about 10 songs that are far superior to anything by Free. I think we consider rock, hard rock/metal in different ways.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 21:26:09 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Better than "All Right Now"? I don't think anything in that genre is better than "All Right Now."


Entered at Fri Jul 30 20:57:27 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter V - Because AC/DC does it better.., That's Bon Scott on vocals - he was the original lead singer (screamer).


Entered at Fri Jul 30 20:06:45 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: I'd say the keyboarist was too dark, thin and mustachiod to be Goldberg, but could've been someone else altogether. I wish this had come up a week ago because I coulda/would asked Fonfara at the Danny Brooks benefit, where he was onstage for much of the time.

Also, glad to see you knit Hendrix into the picture by way of Randy California and Ed Cassidy. Bringing it a step closer to our guys, Hendrix gave Wolfe the California surname when he found he had two Randys to deal with in his Jimmy James and the Flames group in NY in the mid '60s. (I think the other may have been Randy Fuller, so Randy Texas.) Anyway, another sometime Flame was John Hammond, who was also hanging out and recording with various Hawks around the same time.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 19:24:28 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Voodoo Step-Chile

Randy "California" Wolfe, the late lead guitarist for the group Spirit also had familial musical connection. His stepfather Ed Cassidy was the group's drummer. Spirit's second album, "The Family That Plays Together", alluded to that relationship.

Mr. Cassidy had also previously been a member of the Rising Sons, which also featured Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder. It was Jimi Hendrix who gave Mr. Wolfe his Randy California nickname.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 19:06:28 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.242)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, my mother doesn't work as a roadie for anyone but herself. She has a rather larger electronic keyboard she lugs from one end of Quebec to the other ( Montreal to Gaspe). She brought it back from Gaspe last weekend to play during the party after my daughter's wedding.

After the weekend she had my son Rob act as her roadie driving her and her baggage to Drummondville to catch the CN train back to Gaspe.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 18:58:31 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Bill M: I'm pretty sure that's Barry Goldberg, as Mr. Fonfara didn't join as a replacement until later.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 17:37:36 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: AC/DC

I heard Highway to Hell on the radio just now, and yes, I do know that one well enough to sing along. I had always assumed it was a comedy cover band imitating Free with silly lyrics, perhaps the Barron Knights or The Grumbleweeds. But they announced it was AC/DC. Why would you want to listen if you've got an album by Free?


Entered at Fri Jul 30 17:31:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: that Electric Flag video ...

David P: I think the keyboards guy behind Bloomfield is Michael Fonfara, who played on the first EF album. Later with Rhinoceros and lotsa Lou Reed.

Pat B: I think it was you who posted about seeing Iron Butterfly at the time of their first LP. The original lineup's great guitarist, Danny Weis, and great bassist, Jerry Penrod, both also wound up in Rhinoceros.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 17:00:24 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Peter V / Kevin J: The first time I saw Nash the Slash was at the CNE in the summer of '71 or '72 when he was still Jeff Plewman, playing fiddle and singing as leader of Breathless, who played while the Henning and Mars magic duo did their thing (sawing lady in half, throwing knives, etc.) By '75 or '76 his was in a prominent electro duo (then trio) called FM, who had a surprisingly widespread following. (I happened to be in the dressing room at the El Mocambo when FM's drummer hesitantly introduced himself to the amazing Billy Cobham, who proceeded to tell the guy how much he liked the group.) When he split from FM he maintained a pretty high profile on the local scene, and also a small cult following overseas, and released a string of indie LPs, EPs and 45s. A cover "Dean Man's Curve" sticks in my mind as one of the latter. I can't say I liked his solo stuff much, but he was a master self-promoter and was difficult to ignore given his costume (a full wrap-around bandage).

Peter V: Edgar Broughton's mother sounds like Steve's. Can't imagine Steve spitting on stage, so I don't see it as a case of him leading a double life.

Re Harvey Brooks and "Touch Me", Sandy Konikoff told me he was there when that was recorded and that Harvey just came into the control room, plugged straight into the board and did this thing in one take.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 16:55:14 CEST 2010 from (166.187.232.191)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: John Axford

I was just checking the morning stats and I noticed this guy. He's the Milwaukee Brewers' rookie closer and the only good news in that pen this season. Since he came up on May 15 he's earned 15 saves, a 2.70 ERA and a 6-1 record. My news flash is that he's from Simcoe! He's likely the first MLB guy from there but isn't yet swinging Simcoe's most famous son, eh?


Entered at Fri Jul 30 16:39:35 CEST 2010 from (91.42.245.124)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Retiring (?) Captain Norm,

Thanks for the drinkin’ songs.

Norm for old times … remember we first met and I clumsily let the anker slip ….(see the link).


Entered at Fri Jul 30 16:11:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Drinking Songs / Harvey Brooks

Link to video of Electric Flag's high octane performance of "Drinking Wine" at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967. Featuring Nick Gravenites on vocals, Michael Bloomfield on Les Paul guitar, Harvey Brooks on bass and Buddy Miles on drums. Check out Mr. Bloomfield's JRR-like hand flourishes.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 13:52:52 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Eddie Cochran / Gene Vincent

There's an excellent book about that UK tour, Eddie's last. I'm too young too, but Eddie Cochran was said to be hugely charismatic.

The odd thing about the Edgar Broughton Band was that his mum was their roadie, and in spite of their aggressive manner and ultra-hairy appearance, they were extremely pleasant and affable lads offstage.I spoke with them a couple of times. The music was problematic for me though! But they put on a good show.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 13:45:14 CEST 2010 from (86.151.160.151)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Crap concerts, Peter

Had the misfortune to see Edgar Broughton. I think I remember him spitting on stage. May be wrong. Here's the one we would have liked to be at Peter... with accompanying 'rock n' roll riot'. Maybe you saw this tour in England? I was too young.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 12:39:03 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Funnily enough, I had never heard of Nash the Slash until yesterday morning, when I was looking through secondhand vinyl in a shop and saw one of his, a cover of a Stones tune, but I don't remember which. I noticed it because it was£5 for a single in the "collectable" section. Anyway, then I got back, looked at the guestbook and there's Kevin mentioning him.


Entered at Fri Jul 30 12:08:21 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.200)

Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, I bet ya she is from a little town just north of North Battleford Sask?


Entered at Fri Jul 30 05:22:40 CEST 2010 from (24.47.117.177)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Harvey Brooks

And I was disappointed when he moved to Arizona.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 23:11:36 CEST 2010 from (76.64.189.189)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill....I once brought a date to see Nash the Slash at the old Dollar Bills club in Kingston.....She had seen David Wilcox at the same club a few night earlier and could not get over that people were literally dancing on table tops and swinging from light fixtures.....At Nash the Slash we were the only two people in the club at the start of his first set.....I loved it....she thought he was a wrestler!


Entered at Thu Jul 29 21:52:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Can't possibly have been worse than the Dead Boys.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 21:29:53 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Pat, on seeing Blue Cheer twice. I saw the Edgar Broughton Band three times and Hawkwind once. How did we ever sit through such crap, I wonder? Though the worst band I ever saw, a band without a single redeeming feature, was Principal Edwards Magic Theatre.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 21:28:07 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Seeing it's you, I'm glad it's a tie. I just realised that the group I was thinking of was Frijid Pink. Makes me shudder - and not just from the frijidity.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 19:59:12 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.99)

Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, I listened to an interview with three Aussie writers on one of my favorite radio programs yesterday called, Writers And Company. Interesting exploration of Australia as seen through the eyes of the three, Chloe Hooper, John Clarke and Christos Tsiolkas. They played the " Front Fell Off" skit. Pretty funny stuff, kinda Monty Pythonish.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 17:50:02 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

I saw Blue Cheer twice. Once at a club on Wells St. in Chicago's Old Town and once at Niles West High School's auditorium. Both in 1968 and probably near the time I saw Iron Butterfly in the round at Mill Run--also in Niles.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 16:59:55 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Norbert - - Drinkin????

Damn it Norbert, I'm at my desk here doing some paper work so I can get out of here, and you got to in"still" these thoughts in my head. So I got to spit 'em out so they'll leave me alone.

Dean Martin - Little old wine drinker me

Mo Bandy - Here I am I'm drunk again

Webb Pearce - There stands the glass

Hank Williams - My bucket's got a hole in it

Hank Williams Jr. - Whiskey bent & hell bound

Marty Stuart & Travis Tritt - The whiskey ain't workin anymore

Emmy Lou Harris - Two More Bottles of Wine

Damn I got to stop now. I got work to do!


Entered at Thu Jul 29 16:01:04 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Heavy Metal Rumble

One can't overlook Link Wray's 1958 powerchord masterpiece "Rumble" (see Link link above).

The Sundazed label recently released an LP reissue of the mono mix of Blue Cheer's 1968 debut "Vincebus Eruptum", complete with an embossed sleeve and poem by Owsley Stanley. Mr. Stanley, a/k/a The Bear, is the notorious Grateful Dead backer and onetime psychedelic chemist.

My friends & I used to joke "He ain't heavy, he's one of the Hollies". Band connection -- Neil Diamond also covered "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother".


Entered at Thu Jul 29 15:19:56 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: One Ton .........The Heaviest Band!

The heaviest band,,,,,,,,,I guess....from Trana.

I got to tell yuz........now this ain't no joke....it's a true story gawd damn it.

Last couple days I been away. Had to go to Vancouver and visit with my insurance broker. (This part is funny. This man has been my broker for years. Never laid eyes on him, so we figured we got to meet. He has a very strong accent I could never figure. Well I get up in this billion dollar Ivory tower down town and meet him. I'm still laughing at my surprise. Rex is very black, and is from Sri Lanka. A really nice guy, always been great to me.) Anyway, the story, and it's BAND related. I'm strolling around the ferry from Langdale to see if any one I know is about. Sitting by hiself, is this little old hippie looking guy with long straggly grey hair, a funny T shirt and jeans......but!....he has on 8 watches, 4 on each wriste. I was gonna say something but I says to myself just shut up. So I strolled on by humming....Life is a Carnival.

Ok Brown Eyes, I didn't get the connection to that video, enlighten me??????


Entered at Thu Jul 29 14:43:29 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginia

Subject: Blue Cheer

Even though the name came from a Steppenwolf song, no discussion of heavy metal music can be complete without a mention of Blue Cheer (whose name was apparently a drug reference rather than a plug for a laundry detergent). Their cover of "Summertime Blues" is sometimes credited as the original heavy metal song. For some odd reason, a YouTube seach will take you to a performance of their version of the song before Eddie Cochran's original or the transcendent live Who treatment.

The only thing I remember about Blue Cheer was seeing them once on "The Steve Allen Show" circa 1969 or 1970, watching while the audience looked horrified and deafened. Steve generally detested rock music and possibly booked them as some sort of self-parody. Bands like that led me directly to The Band.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 14:34:53 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve: Touche

Well played, sir! ;)


Entered at Thu Jul 29 14:21:30 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.35)

Posted by:

Steve

Agreed, Dlew, it was my mistake trying to include Revolution in the heavy metal, or any variation of the base metal family. It's just too well crafted to be in that group. Maybe the noble metals( gold/silver) would be an acceptable classification. Yes, noble metal, fits the bill.

Most of that other stuff sounds like it should be run through the smelting process for an upgrade. I'm just a miner for a heart of gold.

Apologies to the good folks of Michigan. Welcome to the world of Calgary styled oil industry safety where safety is important only in terms of return on investment.

The people along the Kalamazoo River are lucky compared to the Cree who live down river of the ever widening tar sands environmental disaster in northern Alberta where Enbridge is a big player .The return on investment is so good companies from all over the world and the Chinese gov't are buying in. As long as environmental damage is not a concern, the payback is promising and long term. What a combo.

Enbridge is trying to get permission to build a pipeline from the tar sands in Northern Alberta through the Rocky Mountains to the west coast of British Columbia. Another disaster in the making but again a good return on your buck.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 14:13:22 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Oldest?

Wasn't there a novelty single 'There ain't no age for rock and roll' around 1981 or so? where the old music hall performer was about 72?

And of course, Dame Vera is female, and Tom and Bob are male - I wonder if the gender was left out? (deliberately, of course...) I know Cher was there or a while but she was 62 or something..


Entered at Thu Jul 29 13:34:02 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

This morning's paper suggests that when the figures come in tomorrow, Tom Jones will be the oldest person to top the UK album chart, at 70. He won this accolade before ten years back with "Reloaded" but then Bob Dylan took his place last year.

The odd thing about this news item is Vera Lynn became the oldest chart topper last year at the age of 92. Perhaps they only count "new recordings".


Entered at Thu Jul 29 08:58:44 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And don't forget Dick Dale...

and Harvey Mandel, and Free... Cream - yes. The Beatles? Not so much (I know what Paul McCartney has claimed, and I know the opinions of esteemed posters around here, but I don't think even Revolution can be seen as 'heavy').

Of course, Sabbath started as a Blues Band, but due to their limitations, became something else... You can also look at early surf guitar, and downhome Blues Bands...

Like most genres (except Bluegrass...) metal has a variety of tributaries running into the same general areas....


Entered at Thu Jul 29 08:40:23 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lead

… and Led Zeppelin take their name from the phrase "It went down like a lead Zeppelin" which is another reference to heaviness, very similar to Iron Butterfly in thought process. But then again their tunes were often "similar" to other things too.

Back to Tom Jones, the obligatory Band reference is the inclusion of "Didn't It Rain" (which it turns out Tom and Ethan just wrote). The disc has bonus content, interviews and the video of "Did Trouble Me" (which is the track to sample if you're wondering whether to buy). Anyway, you have to register to see the video, and the registration comes back from "Van Morrison" so I assume Van has donated Tom a corner of his website … Van wrote "Carrying A Torch" for Tom Jones a few years back.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 08:24:14 CEST 2010 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(friend0)

Web: My link

Subject: Bloomfield

LInk is to streaming placed there by a guy named Steve Aloha. Some great stuff, I went right to Work Song. Enjoy.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 06:22:17 CEST 2010 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, after an exhaustive search, it seems both bands' first albums came out in January of 1968. I guess it is a tie.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 04:29:05 CEST 2010 from (76.68.83.82)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Staple Singers - Heavy Makes You Happy (Sha-Na-Boom-Boom)

I've been trying to find what's heavy that's been messing up my mind
I think I found the answer, 'cause it was right there all the time

Heavy makes you happy, I just got to say
Put on your heavy, if I can't feel this way

(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
Come on, come on
(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
Do it, do it, do it, do it
(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
(Sha-na-na-na-boom boom, yeah)

By talking to my people, you know that it occurred to me
It's more than just a feeling--it's a philosophy

Heavy makes you happy, drying up your drink
Oh, spread a little heavy and it makes somebody sing

(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
Come on, y'all
(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
Right on, right on, right on
(Sha-na-boom boom, yeah)
(Sha-na-na-na-boom boom, yeah)


Entered at Thu Jul 29 03:26:24 CEST 2010 from (76.68.83.82)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey dlew 919: LOL LOL....You're not heavy, you're my brother. I also listened via of my older brother's 8-tracks (I used to despise how a song would get cut off!!) Uriah Heep, Deeeep Purple, Free, and Iron Butterfly curtesy of a friend's older sister. I now have Greatest Hits by Free but none of the others.

Oh and Zack's Ma has her PHD...Viva Zack! Tom Morello has a degree in Poli Sci from Harvard....Fight the power Tom! I would love to have been a fly on the wall when he worked with Robbie.....except not THE fly!

Joe Strummer was the son of a Diplomat. Ya mean he really wasn't committed to the Italian Communists??!! Ahhhh.....Their 3-CD Sandanista recording was something else! BTW, I saw the Doc "Land" yesterday re developers trying to buy land in Nicaragua.....Ortega.....hmmmm.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 03:16:56 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: No problem - I feel the same way. Besides, Pat loves doing research himself so we'd be doing him a favour. Virtue is its own reward.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:41:08 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.240)

Posted by:

Steve

I don't really want to , was just going to do it as a favour. Thought maybe you were too tired. I'm going out to close up the chickens instead, if you don't mind.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:36:47 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ignorance is bliss ...

Steve: ... but look it up if you must.


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:34:00 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.240)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, want me to look it up?


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:33:02 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.240)

Posted by:

Steve

Pat, what else would you call an iron butterfly but heavy?.

Lead Belly, now that just screams HEAVY!


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:30:24 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: heavy metal thunder ...

Pat B: Without looking it up, I'm prepared to say Not by a long shot!


Entered at Thu Jul 29 02:26:15 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rage against the Machine

I like them: they're honest. The Lead singer's (Zach de la Rocha) father was actually a South American revoultionary. Unlike Malcolm McLaren, or the Clash (Joe Strummer excepted), who hid right-wing politics behind a 'socialist' facade, at least Rage had credibility. (I don't mind what the politics of an artist is (no nazis or Stalinists, of course) provided they either a) keep it the hell out of their music or b) are honest about it

Judas Priest: I grew up in an area where you either listened to country or metal (I listened to both and more besides: I was considered quite 'weird' for buying the British New Wave groups (Boomtown Rats, Elvis costello, pretenders, police, et cetera: then I 'graduated' to classic rock - but I always listened to everything...)

Anyway, while I could now sing you Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Metallica, Black Sabbath and a dozen others, I cannot remember one Judas Priest number.... interesting, istn't it? Or not... Always a joy to see you laugh, BEG!


Entered at Wed Jul 28 22:10:54 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Wait a second. Vincibus Eruptum by Blue Cheer and their laudatory take on Summertime Blues (Band connection no less). I think that preceded Steppenwolf.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 21:05:51 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Heavy

The common belief is that it started to be used after "Born to be Wild" used "heavy metal thunder" and a critic used that to describe Black Sabbath......


Entered at Wed Jul 28 20:39:42 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Iron Butterfly's first album was named "Heavy."

David P, Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review was one of the high points of his touring history.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 20:27:51 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Heavy …

The Beatles did "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" as a pastiche of Cream / Spooky Tooth sort of material. Around the same time Island had the band Heavy Jelly. So I wonder about when the word "heavy" started getting applied to rock? Did we talk about "heavy rock"? I think we did.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:38:31 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Zack can't keep himself busy enough these days ranting and raving about the mistreatment of convicted cop killers?


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:36:59 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Pat B: "The rolling thunder of the heavy metal" warfare appeared again in Vietnam. Did it also inspire the name of a Dylan tour?

William S. Burroughs also used the term "heavy metal":

"Uranium Willy, the Heavy Metal Kid" (from "The Soft Machine" 1962)

"Heavy Metal People of Uranus wrapped in cool blue mist of vaporized bank notes -- and the Insect People of Minraud with metal music." (from "Nova Express" 1964).

Of course Soft Machine, the British group drew their name from Burroughs, as did Steely Dan. Neither group could be characterized as heavy metal.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:21:07 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

That's too bad. PH were very good at my show. Tull were good with a small 'g' and I am biased at that. Were it not for my 4 year old wanting to see them, I probably would have passed on them myself. Tull's problem in 2010 is not age or quality of musicianship IMO, but lack of new material, ideas, or deeper cuts. They have fallen into the trap of thinking that by adding small orchestras or violinists they are somehow legitimizing music that does not lack artistic legitimacy in the first place. PH is perhaps the only rock band ever that can pull off performing with orchestra without falling into pretension or becoming bombastic. If I have to sit through another interpretation of Boure (sic, is it Bourre?) I will kill myself. But wait, now we have an orchestra! Shoot me now.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:13:14 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Belive it or not, I had to miss the show due to family obligations. Oy. Reports on PH were superb, Tull not so much.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:04:48 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Zack de la Rocha (rapper and lyricist for Rage) Ups the Rage Against Arizona Immigration Law


Entered at Wed Jul 28 18:01:45 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: grammy

True it did cause a lot of sturm and drang, but when Tull are rocking hard, they do fall into hard rock territory, just not consistently. I didn't cite them because that would be too obvious for me. BTW how was Tull/Procol Harum in Chicagoland?


Entered at Wed Jul 28 17:49:15 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: call it heavy metal

Pat B: I was about to cite Mars Bonfire ca. 1967, but I guess Gen. Longstreet's use was earlier . . . .


Entered at Wed Jul 28 17:38:51 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Testify!


Entered at Wed Jul 28 17:02:46 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Of course, Jethro Tull won the first Hard Rick/Heavy Metal Grammy--to much consternation.

Love Rage.

The first time I saw the term "heavy metal" was in James Longstreet's "From Manassas to Appomattox" when he described the final Federal mass cannonade of the Civil War in that exact way.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:43:41 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Metal

Personally I find metal, and metal bands in particular, very boring. I love a good, loud, metal sound if a song justifies it, and older bands like The Beatles (Helter Skelter), The Kinks, and a whole lot of others are great examples. The idea though of a band saying 'yeah, that's the sound we need to be popular with a certain demographic', while commercially understandable, is not very interesting or satisfying to me. It reminds me of being 17 again and stuck in the back seat of a friend's car cruising around with Judas Priest blaring all night. Blechh.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:26:39 CEST 2010 from (91.42.225.139)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: My mother’s magic handbag

Thanks for the drink songs posters, some great ones. Brown Eyed Girl, I remember Uncle Hangover from his little YouTube next to his name (although that was before my time here, Peter must have known him).

Once in France on a desolated road in the middle of the night, with two flat tires, my late mother, with a big smile, popped up a set of huge tire levers out of her little purse ….. and I wasn’t even surprised (of course she had the usual sand paper, rubber cement glue, and patches next to the flash light and the complete Last Waltz in the left compartment).


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:15:05 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Rock n Roll was Chuck Berry which eventually became Rock to include an array of weirdos including flute playing public school boys.......Heavy Metal was Black Sabbath which eventually became Metal to include men dressed as women playing to crowds of 100% homophobic males.........Punk was Sex Pistols ( never mind the cries of Johnny Ramone ) and became New Wave to include females and then became Alternative to not scare away the advertisers in the late 80's......Through all this great band like The Replacements and Husker Du sold no records and Phil Collins and Bret Michaels became very rich.............


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:11:22 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I ain't gonna work on Westie's tugboat no more! ;-D


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:06:42 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Praise and Blame

Anyone else heard it yet? A bit of a shock to discover that all the traditional songs turn out to be "Written by Tom Jones and Ethan Johns." I thought the "Trad. arranged by" beloved of so many others would have done the same financial job. BUT it is one you have to hear.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 16:02:19 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Brien. I'm surprised that you like some of Rage's songs....Do you listen to their lyrics? They represent heavy rap's answer to The Clash. They were the most left wing group around. I love their cover of Dylan's "IAGWOMFNM" and "Guerrilla Radio". Other than those songs....just too hard for me. Although I can't wait for Tom Morello's input with Robbie's latest recording.....

Transmission third world war third round
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above fuck it cut the cord

Lights out guerilla Radio
Turn that shit up

Contact I highjacked the frequencies
Blockin the beltway
Move on DC
Way past the days of bombin MCs
Sound off Mumia guan be free
Who gottem yo check the federal file
All you pen devils know the trial was vile
Army of pigs try to silence my style
Off em all out that box its my radio dial

Lights out guerilla Radio Turn that shit up

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than nowAll hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us nowAll hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now


Entered at Wed Jul 28 15:59:05 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The wurzels

Norbert, Adge Cutler & The Wurzels, "Drink Up Thy Cider" and "I Am A Cider Drinker."


Entered at Wed Jul 28 15:44:47 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Rage Against the Machine have some serious "in your face" songs. Jolting at first but once you settle in for the ride, it's pretty wild stuff.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 15:31:09 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: spo-dee-o-dee

Norbert: here's one for you. In 1970, there was Trower / Reid:

"I'm gonna find a girl to make me choose / Between loving her and drinking booze"

and Helm / Robertson:

"Honey, you just ain't as sweet as my strawberry wine."


Entered at Wed Jul 28 15:25:49 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.195)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hei Norbert! I made a mistake....Anouk's "Nobody's Wife" isn't about drinkin'.....It's just one of my fave songs of hers....but here she is with "Lovin' Whiskey" for you and Uncle Hangover.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 15:25:49 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.112)

Posted by:

Steve

Levon's Rambles, 50/50, at least the two we attended.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 14:59:01 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.195)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

dlew 919: LOL....I was trying to think of the group's name who did "The Chase Is Better Than The Catch"....and there they were in your post....Motorhead. I try and at least dig one song from every group in the world and that would be the one for them.

For those of you who don't have S.N.A.C.K.....


Entered at Wed Jul 28 14:54:02 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.195)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Helm goes the live route

Friday, July 23, 2010 – Levon Helm will go the live route for his next release. "Ramble At The Ryman" will come out as a DVD/CD set on October or November on Vanguard Records.

On Sept. 17, 2008, Helm, the drummer of The Band, took the Midnight Ramble on the road to Nashville's Ryman Auditorium. On Ramble shows, Helm takes lead vocals, but also cedes that role to other members.

Firewater songs: Holland's Anouk - Lovin' Whiskey, Nobody's Wife

NYC's Louuuu - Underneath The Bottle

I totally agree with Kevin J on AC/DC at our SARS Concert in Toronto. They were one of the highlights for us that night. Angus was unstoppable.....Mick and the boyzzz at the end of the night....never started. Fave song of theirs....."Highway To Hell". I don't want to listen to their music at home but live.....worth every cent!

Heavy Metal or Heavy Rock meets rap....Rage Against The Machine....or as the youth refer to them as just RAGE!


Entered at Wed Jul 28 14:52:39 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Punk vs Metal

Where does Motorhead fit in? They're metal: but I also think they're punk. But they're not punk metal...

Gender imbalance? that might do it ... which would I guess, push them on the metal side of things.. I thought politics might have been the divide - but the Clash's secret tory leanings adn Johnny Ramone's open Republican support tend not to support that...


Entered at Wed Jul 28 13:21:04 CEST 2010 from (79.202.161.198)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Percy Mayfield

Finding “drinking songs” early in the mornin ‘ on the WWW; “Lost Weekend” – Smiley Lewis ….“Strange Bed with a Bad Head” – Little Johnny Taylor …. “One Scotch, One Bourbon, One Beer” – Aldus Roger ….“There Stands the Glass” – Webb Pierce …. Etc.)

I also found “My Jug and I” by Percy Mayfield (link).... a master songwriter:

" spoke to the river and the river spoke back to me

And it said you look so lonely,

You look full of misery

And if you can't find your baby,

Come and make your home with me”"

(RIVERS INVITATION - Percy Mayfield)


Entered at Wed Jul 28 12:35:07 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.86)

Posted by:

Steve

Who cares what people under 50 say? Or if you prefer," don't trust anyone under 50!"


Entered at Wed Jul 28 02:09:01 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Bold As Love

Been a good day. Was out fishing til the wind breezed up and came home to find 'Axis: Bold as Love ' and 'Electric Ladyland' in my mailbox. God love Amazon and internet shopping. Used to buy records on semi-annual visits to Fred's on Duckworth Street. Fred's is still around by the way; must be thirty five years now.

Anyway it's been years since I heard some of this music. Love Mitch Mitchell's drumming. How about Noel Redding's singing? I'd forgotten.



Entered at Wed Jul 28 00:06:09 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sunshine of Your Love

Mojo had a cover disc a couple of years back of "pre-metal metal" which included Atomic Rooster, The Move, Mighty Baby and (!) Procul Harum. But missed off the Kinks, Cream, Heavy Jelly and Spooky Tooth. But metal IS defined by the gender off the audience more than any other factor.


Entered at Wed Jul 28 00:02:30 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Revolution may have a metally thing to it, but again, I don't think most people under 50ish would consider that metal - hard rock, hardish.., yes. Certainly at the time I'm sure it could be considered something like that but Cream was doing more hard stuff, hard rock, of course Zep, which really isn't considered metal either, more like hard rock as well. I think a lot of those loud, crunchy blues based bashers were considered more hard rock than metal - in fact, I don't think the advent of "metal" came until after the birth of punk. Before that, I think, it was considered Hard Rock.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 23:33:52 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.249)

Posted by:

Steve

The only metal I've ever encountered that was truly great musically as well as metally was a song by a band called The Beatles. A John Lennon ( I think that was his name) song called, Revolution. Anyone ever heard of them?


Entered at Tue Jul 27 22:26:13 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brian Wilson

The one I missed as a first-rate concert was Brian Wilson. 50/50 again. Art Garfunkel was 65-70% female and very very good … but didn't quite make it. Couldn't rock. Paul Simon is 50/50 and can.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 22:23:18 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Male / Female ratio

It's a major thing. The guy who judged whether it was rock or heavy metal by the percentage of males was absolutely right. One of the factors indicating the serious decline of Dylan as a live performer is that as the solos increase, the percentage of males increases. Eighteen years ago it was 50/50 and excellent. Five years ago, Dylan was beyond abysmal and the audience heavily male dominated.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 21:55:39 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

This discussion of male and female ties in with bob w's links of yesterday and Michael McDonald...........The Doobie Brother's were again one of my brother's bands but anyone who picked up a guitar in the 70's either loved or got to know some of those Tom Johnston songs.......then by the late 70's/early 80's Tom Johnston was gone and the Doobies main songwriter ( at least of their hits ) was Michael McDonald.....Girlfriends everywhere loved them but the lack of guitar was disturbing to my teenager mind............I did come to appreciate MM though and judging by those youtube clips he seems to still have that great voice.........Funny..... Michael McDonald brought females to the Doobies while Joe Walsh simultaneously brought males to the Eagles.......

Bill M: Flipping through old albums is an interesting thing to do............Bad Company's first......I guess I will never give it a spin again and no else will either....but I don't want to throw it out.........if you laid out every copy of "Frampton Comes Alive" in existence - I imagine we could all walk to Australia and back.....


Entered at Tue Jul 27 19:56:43 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Audiences at shows..,hmmm., Just saw Dave Matthews a few weeks back and that seemed pretty even though to me there were more groupings of girls than that of a band of guys roaming the grounds. I've seen Yes about 7 times that I can recall, and I can't honestly tell you what the m to f ratio was but I suspect Peter may be correct about Prog. Pink Floyd had a lot of women. U2 was evenly mixed. Genesis back in the late 80's was very evenly mixed from what I recall. When I saw Robin Trower and Roy Buchanan, I can remember that being a lot of guys. Bare Naked Ladies, had a good mix. Beach Boys was a good mix but they sucked that day, so we walked out.

I'm not quite believing the big differential with metal though. Metal has a pretty significant pull here in the states for woman. I know and have known a fair amount of metal chics in my time. There are many moms out there who were huge Def Leppard, Poison, Motley Crew, Slayer, etc..,fans - all that big hair didn't just belong to the guys in the bands. It's funny to listen to some moms now getting all gassed up to go see one of those acts when they come through - funny in a good way though. Yea, some metal(ish) shows I've seen had their share of some pretty smokin women.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 19:44:20 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Most of the records I now regret having let go I sold in the early '80s to pay for my travels. The ones I miss most are Roy Harper's "Folkjokeopus"and Dino Valente's pre-Quicksilver LP on Epic. And ISB's "The Big Huge" (but not "The Wee Tam"). Even then I knew they were brilliant. For a long time I also regretted giving up "Love Is" by Eric Burden and the Animals - but when I finally got a replacement copy in the early '90s it just wasn't so special anymore. Still wish I'd hung on to a couple of Neil Young LPs too. Come to think of it, a couple of Apple LPs too - the Billy Preston and the Doris Troy.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 19:15:50 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Gangster of Love

Jimi Hendrix learned a few lessons in showmanship & flashy fret-technique from Johnny "Guitar" Watson, Buddy Guy and a few lesser known guitarists, later perfecting them for a larger, predominantly white audience. Peter Guralnick has described the colorful Mr. Watson as "a star on the L.A. r&b scene whose talent was exceeded only by his panache and by his ambivilence about whether he wanted to be a singer or a pimp."


Entered at Tue Jul 27 19:01:26 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Van Morrison, who I've seen most often in twenty years, has about 70% male audience. Slightly less than The Band, but still some way off the desirable 50/50. Which is why he can get away with trudging through a dull blues like Help Me with everyone having a solo. A greater proportion of males seem to like that. File under Caldonia, Stuff You Gotta Watch!


Entered at Tue Jul 27 18:57:23 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Heavy Metal

Heavy Metal and Prog here definitely get an 80% plus male audience. The male / female ratio in audiences is a good indicator of how good the concert's going to be. The very best concerts I've seen the last few years have been close to 50/50: Leonard Cohen, James Taylor, Paul Simon, Jackson Browne. Leonard Cohen and Jackson Browne edged into a clear female majority, but that was good. k.d. lang was about 75% female, and was as good as any of them got. NKOTB last year was 99% female and were definitely not among the best I've seen, but I enjoyed the show.

The really awful concerts I've seen recently … Steve Vai and Europe were 90% male. Apart from a certain farty odour of less than necessary washing from the audience, the bands were pretentious nonsense. I wouldn't go to see any of the four listed, but I suspect all four, in the UK, would be over 80% male audiences. That's why, in spite of two close friends telling me that this year's Jeff Beck shows are among the best they've ever seen, I'm reluctant to buy a ticket for October just down the road. We used to stay at a friend's house circa 1990 and he played Jeff Beck all day every day, and I found it had that combination of being noisy and being dull that I avoid. Technical ability was outstanding. It's never enough unless you've got (a) a good tune and (b) good taste.

Both times I saw The Band in the 90s the audience was edging 75% male. Hey, they were The Band. But James Taylor, Paul Simon and Leonard Cohen all gave a better show and all had vastly better sound mixing on stage.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 18:36:28 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Time to pull out an old fave...."It wasn't called Heavy Metal when I invented it" - Dave Davies .......... and to anyone trying to figure out what is or what isn't.......simple: The line is Black Sabbath - Metal....Led Zeppelin - Rock......Motely Crue: Metal.....Guns & Roses: Rock .pick your teams from there kids........funniest review I ever read was back in the 70's.....the critic was trying to figure out what the band Rush was.....he was wrestling with this....and made the observation that their crowd of thousands contained not a single female! .....He decided that this meant that they were Heavy Metal....... AC/DC did pull the babes and you could hum their songs - enough said.....

One more thing.......Anyone interested in rhythm guitar should pay attention to what Malcolm Young does with AC/DC - quite something really..........

Bill M: "Harmony"- (not Naturally) was the only album of 3DN I have ever listened to....I liked almost everything on it and distinctly remember that it had a song called "jam" which - at the time - ( very early days of me listening to albums ) I had never heard anything like it........The "Jeremiah was a Bullfrog" song you refer to was impossible to miss in those days also and I remember hearing it at camp grounds from coast to coast.............by the way, you occasionally make reference to a practise of getting rid of music you used to own.........I wonder how many others here do this......I still have every album ever purchased as well as every guitar....silly on the guitar side as some picked up early and while travelling are not really worth keeping but I just can't part with them..........If anything does get tossed - I would think cd's purchased in the last 15 years - will be the first to go...but albums - never....


Entered at Tue Jul 27 18:26:31 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I wasn't thinking of Gimmie Shelter as heavy metal, just as very loud and exciting music from a white band. Even then it's also got Merry Clayton very prominently among the vocals which gives it a strong soul edge. Jagger was (and sometimes is) a credible soul singer when he's not over-acting it.

Anyway, great song whatever.

Yes, jimi invented many of the physical contortions beloved of metal guitarists. Much better singer than most of them though.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:42:22 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Personally - Gimmie Shelter isn't anywhere close to what most would consider Heavy Metal. Don't get me wrong, it's a great rock song (if not somewhat already beaten to a pulp) but as Heavy Metal.., no. If you want to consider it a precusor to Heavy Metal, I'll give you that. Hendrix was closer to HM than the Stones ever got.., IMO. As for how big or not, or recognizable or not AC/DC is in England, I would have not one clue but here in the US, I would imagine most anyone under 50 who was into "rock-n-roll" could either hum, recognize or know the title of one of their songs. They are just too big to not have come across, regardless of whether you liked them or not, to not have had an experience with them if you were into the overall rock-n-roll scene.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:26:57 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dirty Deeds Done Not So Cheap

Believe it or not, AC/DC just recently made Forbes magazine's top five earning musicians list for 2010 (from June 2009 -- June 2010). They were #2, netting $114 million with $2.3 million per concert, just behind U2 at $130 million.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:13:20 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Gimmie Shelter

Sorry we crossed in the ether. Is there any heavy metal record as exciting as "Gimmie Shelter" by The Rolling Stones? That's what I would call music to get you pumped! But I'd say ones that get the feet moving instantly would be Respect by Aretha Franklin (even if I prefer the Otis Redding version mostly) or Uptight by Stevie Wonder. Maybe it's age. My first live music experiences in clubs were dancing (opposite someone) rather than jumping up and down on the spot or playing air guitar.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:08:52 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Ben Keith: Resting in Pieces

Indeed sad news regarding the passing of Ben Keith. I understand that there was a severe fire at his house outside of Nashville on July 4th, while he was in California. Although he lost some possessions & instruments, his wife escaped from the blaze. Now comes the news of his death.

You can trace part of his long career, outside of his work with Neil Young, literally in "pieces". He first gained wide attention playing pedal steel on Patsy Cline's classic "I Fall to Pieces" in 1961. Tragically, we also just lost Hank Cochran on July 15, who co-wrote the song with Harlan Howard. Mr. Keith also played on Emmylou Harris' debut solo album "Pieces of the Sky" in 1975. Twenty years later, he produced Jewel's mega-platinum selling debut album "Pieces of You".


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:05:46 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Metal in UK / Glyn Johns

I just had a look at the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles. AC/DC had about thirty UK chart entries, but I just read the list and wouldn’t recognize a single one of them. They had half a dozn Top Twenty entries, no Top Ten entries, and most seem to chart somewhere between 30 and 65. I had this discussion in the UK recently with people twelve to fifteen years younger than me and the consensus was none of them could hum (say) Free Bird. They were all into The Clash, The Jam, The Damned, but none had ever bought or would recognize a Black Sabbath or Ozzy solo record. I suspect the same would be true of AC / DC (or Kiss or Aerosmith).

I think it’s different here than the USA. A lot of people with wide musical tastes (punk, post-punk, indie, soul, reggae, rock, country) are totally deaf to heavy metal, as am I. You wouldn’t hear it so readily here, and though it has large sections in the music stores, as big as soul even, I think it’s a different consumer base.

It’s also extremely regional. I roam far and wide in search of music fairs and vinyl stores, and it’s noticeable how the heavy metal section expands hugely in size in Wales and The Midlands (record dealers tell me Yorkshire too). I talk to a lot of secondhand record dealers and in the south what sells for high prices is soul, “mod” and pysch. You can’t give heavy metal away. On the other hand, reggae’s hard to find in the south, and when you do it’s priced low compared to London and Birmingham (the big reggae markets for secondhand vinyl).

OK, on secondhand vinyl, yesterday’s find was a Glyn John’s single. He made half a dozen before remixing “Stage Fright”, but this is written by ex-Shadow Tony Meehan and is a vocal called Today You’re Gone. It was a free record circa 1965 to advertise Wesctcot jeans. At the end he announces in a very posh voice “This record comes to you free courtesy of Westcot Limited, makers of Westcoteers. We hope you enjoyed it.” The fact that no one has ever heard of Westcot jeans indicates it was not a great success. The record is a period piece, but unfortunately is abysmal.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 17:03:02 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter - If Motown and such is what does it for ya for a pump, then let it be (as much as I to enjoy much of that music - i don't consider it get pumped music).., AC/DC certainly then will leave you flat. But if you're looking to round out the rock-n-roll experience then AC/DC is an essential cog in that experience (IMO.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 16:53:59 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Three Dog Night does Troiano ...

Kevin J: If you grew up with 3DN's "Naturally" then I guess you grew up with this, the b-side to "Joy To The World". Unfortunately, the original, by Domenic Troiano and his 3DN Dunhill label-mates Bush, doesn't seem to be on YouTube. 3DN covered another Bush song, "Writings On The Wall" on "Seven Separate Fools".


Entered at Tue Jul 27 16:26:50 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rock n Roll Ain't Noise Pollution

A distinction lost on most but Zeppelin were never considered Metal.........as to AC/DC.....Back in Black is a great record.....and it would seem impossible for someone to have been alive and listening to radio and or going to clubs and not have heard at least 3 or 4 songs from it......"You Shook Me All Night Long" is simply a great rock song..........AC/DC - like many Australian bands - is also stunningly good live.........at SARS fest in Toronto a few years back in front of a few hundred thousand people they gave a text book example of how to blow a headliner off the stage - the headliner was the Rolling Stones and there was barely an ounce of energy left in the crowd by the time they took the stage.......


Entered at Tue Jul 27 15:58:25 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ver, very little heavy metal gets me pumped up, if any. Not even Led Zep. But if you put on Motown, Stax or The Rolling Stones the adrenaline gets going. I think the only album in the genre (which many would not put in the genre because it's too inventive) I liked was "Red" by King Crimson, but that came way out of left field, and outdid the lot of them.

But on the whole I don't like the sound of heavy metal vocalists squeaking loudly.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 15:49:35 CEST 2010 from (173.31.37.73)

Posted by:

Ol Hippie

Location: Illinois, USA
Web: My link

Seen BAND in Illinois once, will never forget it !! Anyway I am here doing research for my website. It is a Music/Hippies website, care to have a look ? It's @ http://baby-boomer-rock-and-roll.com Sorry about the spam if thats what you consider this THANKS


Entered at Tue Jul 27 12:54:39 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Back in Black is a 5 star "rock" album. It is a great Hard Rock record. Not being a hard rock guy though, it is one of my guilty pleasures of that genre. Dlew is right in that AC/DC basically has 21 records that pretty much sound the same - though the Bon Scott era has a bit of a different sound than the Brian Johnson one but the spirit is the same. Peter - I would download Hell's Bells and Shook Me All Night Long - if you found anything about them that you liked then the cd might be worth your while - but for soome reason I'm guessing this music isn't going to work for you. It's great "get pumped" music - for me anyway.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 11:49:11 CEST 2010 from (99.141.24.175)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Ben Keith

I'm very sad to read about Ben Keith passing away. thanks, David, for posting it here. Rest in peace Ben.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 10:39:35 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter V: It'll shake you all night long...

Well, it won't, but as Brian May once put it: 'AC/DC is pure therapy'... there's a sense in which Acca Dacca (as they're known here) only ever did the one album, 21 times - that's pretty true. But if you were to pick one from the Brian Johnson era, Black in Back is the one. (From the Bon Scott era, it would be the original 'Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap'.)

I guess what I'm saying is that you probably wouldn't enjoy it, but it's worth a listen....


Entered at Tue Jul 27 10:22:33 CEST 2010 from (121.73.137.113)

Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: Voodoo Music

from Vancouver 83


Entered at Tue Jul 27 09:19:39 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Obits / Superlatives

Obituaries … it's getting to be that the obits section in Mojo, Uncut and Record Collector is turning into a regular section, ever expanding in size. One of them calls it "Too Soon Gone" too. Apart from the many things Ben Keith did with other people, he did a little-heralded instrumental Christmas album called "Seven Gates" that has accompanied many Christmases here.

"The Word" August issue has an article on true rock superlatives where they update all the biggest-selling, most-played stuff. It's carefully researched, and the most-played song on British radio since 1967 is … well, Bohemian Rhapsody is only number two. It's A Whiter Shade of Pale. And Elvis is the biggest chart artist in the UK, followed by The Beatles. And Thriller really is the world's biggest selling album. The Greatest Hits of the Eagles isn't, by a long, long way. The only one in the Top Six I've never heard is AC / DC's Back to Black. I rather snottily assume I haven't missed much.

The most successful songwriters ever based on UK radio play turn out to be Rodgers & Hammerstein.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 07:48:50 CEST 2010 from (76.233.232.42)

Posted by:

Dave H

Subject: more sad news

It seems like we've lost a lot of great musicians lately with Band connections...the latest is pedal steel/dobro whiz Ben Keith at the age of 73, according to the Neil Young blog Thrasher's Wheat. Keith played on Moondog Matinee and, as Young's long-running sideman, cut several tracks with Rick Danko and Levon Helm in the mid-1970s for Young's albums On the Beach and the unreleased Homegrown. He also played on Bobby Charles's self-titled 1972 album that was co-produced by Rick, and at the oft-bootlegged 1975 SNACK benefit concert with Young, Rick, Levon, Garth, and Bob Dylan.


Entered at Tue Jul 27 06:53:30 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Norm: sell the boat - retire to Australia

Heck, if I had the money, i'd buy it from you, then hire you to run it!


Entered at Tue Jul 27 05:46:16 CEST 2010 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Deana's dad........

Haven't been here in ages, I hope all's well with everyone. I just heard that Fred Carter Jr passed and thought I'd share this news. As many here know he was one talented guitarist with many, many Band (and Dylan) connections.......


Entered at Tue Jul 27 01:05:25 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cut to the Quick!

Ok Kevin, yuh don't have to be such a gawd damn bully!

Damn.....I been working so hard, my tug's looking like a new Porsche.......and my barge is getting that way too. Now I don't want to sell 'em.........


Entered at Mon Jul 26 22:38:32 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

This one's from the same show. Enjoy.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 22:35:32 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kevin, great link. Thank you. It reminded me of a show that was just re-run on PBS featuring Michael MacDonald joined by Billy Preston. Thought you might like this one too.

I saw him with the reformed Band and as a headliner many years ago. He was a musical force.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 22:10:17 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

3DN got me thinking about Billy Preston and how as a child I remember seeing him take it to another planet on a New Years Eve Dick Clark special......Above link is to another one of his great live performances..........If this doesn't move ya nothing will.......


Entered at Mon Jul 26 19:49:50 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Sorry for that post - in my haste I forgot that Pat had already linked it.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 19:48:37 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

And the link is to Three Dog Night performing Chest Fever.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 16:44:31 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link to Rick Danko live late 70's......fun to see...................and the answer to your question Norm is.......Yes!

Only Three Dog Night album I had was a clip from my older brother's collectuion....."Harmony" was the album and I really liked it at the time...."Never been to Spain" was the stand out track


Entered at Mon Jul 26 16:43:29 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: 3 Dog Fever

I just got time to watch the WHOLE 3 Dog Night live video of "Chest Fever" from Rochester 1970 (thanks for finding that, Pat!). I don't want to be one of those nasty, negative types so I want to say something positive: 1) Those guys were snappy dressers. 2) Those new lyrics they made up were entertaining 3) That early black & white video tape still looks good and 4) That one guy in the white polyester outfit with the stars and stripes vest could do a mean watusi (that was the watusi,wasn't it?).


Entered at Mon Jul 26 16:19:08 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Three Dog Night's version of "Chest Fever" appeared on their eponymous debut album and was also released as the B-side on their hit single version of Nilsson's "One". While one may be the loneliest number, the 45 reached #5 on the Billboard charts, no doubt also providing Robbie with some nice numbers on royalty checks.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 15:02:21 CEST 2010 from (204.138.58.96)

Posted by:

Bill M

Westcoaster: I do recall LRB, but never liked them, perhaps because they were overplayed on radio here when they were hot.

Pat B: Thanks for the clip of 3DN doing "Chest Fever". While his two mates on the front line apparently fall victim to Crucifixion complexes, Cory Wells actually seems totally at one with the music. Being from Buffalo, maybe he paid more attention to our guys in the old days?

BEG: Gotta love that WINO quote - "The Band version is pretty close the cover."


Entered at Mon Jul 26 14:22:41 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: LRB: Australians....

I'm a bit of a fan: slick, professional - maybe a little too slick at times, but songs like 'Lonesome Loser' actually work better for me than a lot of 'Oz Rock'...

Glenn shorrock is a fine vocalist, and has recently been back with them - though I liked the much maligned John Farnham years, as well.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 14:04:43 CEST 2010 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim

Web: My link

Subject: Connor Kennedy gig tomorrow night (07/27/10) w/ surprise guests.

Connor Kennedy Band, Live at Harmony Cafe'. "

"The Connor Kennedy Band in their first performance at Harmony Cafe' at Wok N' Roll. Performing a timeless blend of soul, funk, jams, rock and roll, but most of all Blues. From Albert and B.B, Stevie and Jimi, and Phish and The Dead, its going to get covered. "

"No cover, just a tip jar. "

"7-11pm, Food, Drink, and Dancing. "

"http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/event.php?eid=139345782758151&index=1 "n\"Connor works & performs @ Helmland!


Entered at Mon Jul 26 12:29:59 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Cash

I don't recall a Little River Band Norm but, to pick up on an old thread, some of my favourite Johnny Cash songs are 'Hey Porter', 'Home of the Blues', 'Port of Lonely Hearts' and 'Cry, Cry, Cry'. I'll have to do some thinkin on Waylon.


Entered at Mon Jul 26 05:15:28 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Lonesome Looser

Of course there are many bands, that for whatever reason are not discussed here. However, as I drove home from painting on my tug today, on one of the local FM stations I have on came this song. I haven't heard it in a long time.

It motivated me when I got home to pick them up on youtube. I always thought, the "Little River Band", was a pretty powerful band, with some good material, in particular, this song, "Lonesome Looser". Am I totally wrong????


Entered at Sun Jul 25 15:34:22 CEST 2010 from (76.66.126.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and then there's heavy metal frontman Scott "Wino" Weinrich who digs Three Dog Night's cover of "Chest Fever" and recorded it as a bonus track in 2009.....

"The new disc, Punctuated Equilibrium, will be released next Tuesday on the Southern Lord label. Like most Southern Lord releases, there will be a limited edition vinyl pressing. The vinyl pressing comes with a bonus 10" that contains four exclusive tracks:

- Chest Fever
- Der Gift (The Poison)
- On The (Sacrificial) Lam
- The Comet And The Moon

WINO: It's great, man. Do you have the bonus disc? You probably have just the album 'cuz the bonus stuff is coming out on the vinyl. There's a cover we did, it's got a funny story, too. It's a very left field cover. When I was little, I was about nine, and everywhere I'd go I'd see this record. That was Three Dog Night's Live at the L.A. Forum in 1969. [Note: It's called Captured Live at the Forum.] On that record there's a song called "Chest Fever", like heartache, you know? It starts off with this fuckin' totally eerie keyboard thing 'cuz, you know, Jimmy Greenspoon is great. They did this rockin' tune! Fast forward twenty years and I'm in fuckin' California fuckin' selling speed to the original bass player. We're sitting around all wired up and I said, "Dude, I love that song "Chest Fever", And he says, "Dude, that's a cover".

MYE: It's by The Band.

WINO: I'd never heard their version until we got into the studio and J says, "Yeah, that's off Music From Big Pink." We listened to their version and after I heard it, I thought, "Yeah, I'm doing the fuckin' Three Dog Night version!"

MYE: [laughing] I've gotta hear that 'cuz I'm from Woodstock, NY. The Band is from up here and shit and I've never heard the Three Dog Night version.

WINO: The Band version is pretty close to the cover but they kinda break down in the middle to this kind of Band jingle jangle circus-y stuff. It kinda bothers me. Three Dog totally deliver.

MYE: [laughing] I've gotta hear it. That's actually probably my favorite song by The Band, seriously.

WINO: Is it really? That's a trip. So you've only heard that version and I'd never heard it! That's great. Go find the Three Dog record. The reason I covered it is I found the record in a thrift store for a buck! I thought maybe I should cover it and at first I thought of maybe doing it drop tuned but then Jon Blank and I were messin' around with it and realized playing it like it was is the best way."


Entered at Sun Jul 25 15:13:49 CEST 2010 from (76.66.126.227)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"In a review of Endless Highway: The Music of the Band, David Hyland noted that "noodlers Widespread Panic transform 'Chest Fever' into how it should have sounded at 'The Last Waltz' with full horn section accompaniment if the Band hadn't played their farewell gig like they were coked out of their minds."


Entered at Sun Jul 25 12:38:20 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

While I agree no one could sing Chest Fever like Richard, I thought Randy Ciarlante did it brilliantly with the reformed Band, and with Garth Hudson at the London, Forum show. Otherwise, I reckon that if you're doing it without Garth, it makes sense to "reinvent" the intro rather than trying to copy it.


Entered at Sun Jul 25 11:22:14 CEST 2010 from (121.73.137.113)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Larry Campbell and CF

His guitar playing is amazing on that 09 video BEG posted. The vocals are a let down thougn. Never heard any one sing it like RM.


Entered at Sun Jul 25 00:59:13 CEST 2010 from (79.202.166.114)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Campbell/Washington Post

Forgot to mention, the Washington Post's review got me also.


Entered at Sun Jul 25 00:36:25 CEST 2010 from (79.202.166.114)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Larry Campbell 's Chest Fever (Helm Band)

Opposite to maybe most here, I think Larry Campbell’s play on Chest Fever (Brown Eyed Girl’s link) doesn’t fit. (sorry).


Entered at Sat Jul 24 23:48:56 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.10)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sat Jul 24 23:37:16 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.10)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sat Jul 24 22:03:40 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Let's not forget Jimmy Greenspan, who loves that Leslie switch.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 20:49:17 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.10)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Feeeeeeeling hot, hot, hot here up north too!!!! Sooooo much humidity gearing up for our Caribana next week. We'll be going up to the country ourselves. I'm really a reggae fan....not a calypso fan much at all but did attend many times 'cause I just like to be around music period!

Hi Peter M. I did in fact hear someone else perform Garth's intro to "Chest Fever".....none other than our own....the late, great.....Richard Bell! I was at my first Rick Danko Tribute at the time at The Horseshoe Tavern. As soon as Richard began playing......all the testosterone in the place just let loose......My friend and I were in the minority of women present......Richard nailed it!

I really dig Larry's cover as well.....and on the guitar to boot!! Brilliant! I still believe that Robbie's guitar playing was always replaced by two guitarists.....When Robbie was in The Band.....there was never a need. Sorry....but I'm with Bumbles and others here......Robbie has the IT factor and the emotional playing and the craft and.....Sebastian.....Please.....encourage your dad to PLAY MORE GUITAR FOR US FANS LIVE AT LEAST HERE WHERE HE'S APPRECIATED.....TORONTO! Then all the Robbiesonians in this GB can join me for a reunion of sorts....


Entered at Sat Jul 24 19:09:58 CEST 2010 from (138.88.157.112)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C. hot! hot! hot!

CF & Larry Campbell - well, if Garth's not there, it's not going to sound like Garth. I thought the arrangement was great when I saw them at the Beacon in March 2009 (?) I think. Glad to see they've shaken up their set list a bit as that would have been my only complaint of seeing them as often as Mr. Steve and I did there for a while.

Mr. Steve loves Wide Spread Panic. I don't get it. They are OK, but their fans are, for the most part, horrible. They ruined a perfectly good Wanee fest for us in Fla in April. Panic played 2 nights, as the ABB did, which if they have them back at all - I hope it's only a one-night stand. We saw them at Merriweather Post in Columbia, MD and the fans were contained a bit more, but still "not nice."

Dlew - liked the article (on English) and great post on Facebook about real estate in Aussie-land. I guess I'll just stay in the U.S. -sigh-

Farmer Steve must be working outside today. Can't work much outside here -- temp will be 98 degrees F with heat index of 105 degrees F.

J.F.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 19:04:54 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Widespread Panic Review

I guess he didn't like it.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 17:01:52 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: For Peter V; and others interested in English

(sorry Peer = my laptop's playing up - when it's fixed, I'll email you: but I thought you might like this... )


Entered at Sat Jul 24 16:17:19 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.10)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Plus, there’s a bonus partial “Long Black Veil” tagged on the end –– sung by the great Rick Danko, the plaintive Whiskey Mississippi soul voice with the funky thumping bass. This is an old 50s folk song The Band covered on their debut album, “Music From Big Pink,” which was the house where they lived in Woodstock, but not where the King Harvest was shot –– which the liner notes' cite as filmed in "Robbie's studio."

Professor ray pence and special buddy: I had to read your post to imagezulu and even he was speechless. It's very cool that Billy Bragg brought us together. Thank you darlin'......thank you. :-D

PS I still think you should move up here and teach at one of our schools. Most of my profs were American anyway....One wasn't permitted to obtain his PHD due to being a Communist at one time. He was one of my absolute favourite people ever at school.....I was in his Photography/Sociology 4th year seminar course. Again.....all your students are blessed to have you in their world. Btw....Have you sent Jan H your article on The Band yet? Huh, huh?


Entered at Sat Jul 24 16:09:50 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Print Media

Though I'm a print media loyalist for many reasons, I see why people have dropped print newspaper subscriptions in the droves when I compare what I read by Ray Pence here at no cost compared to what I paid to read in my morning newspaper (one which pushed an old friend of mine into retirement a while back; I think the guy who wrote that LHB piece should retire since he's clearly unfamiliar with some basics about The Band).

Of course, much media in this country is nasty and negative. That shit sells. It's how a former drunk who never made it past high school--Glen Beck--has made $50 million over the last two years. It's just really ironic to me that Ray Pence is a better music writer than a guy who gets paid to do it for one of the most reputable newspapers in the world.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 15:22:00 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: King Harvest video

TIM- I think that video was shot out in Albert Grossman's Bearsville Studio complex. If you walk in back of the buildings you should be able to find Albert's resting place, over in the trees. If you're going to Rick and Eli's resting place, there should be a couple of tiny Canadian flags marking the graves. Last I heard Big Pink was still owned by people who didn't mind pilgrims stopping by and taking pictures.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 15:07:39 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

I believe Wide Spread Panic is a bigger band in Canada than here in the US. I owned a cd of there's years ago and never thought much of them (didn't dislike.., just never caught onto them). While reading the paper this morning, I came across this review (see link) of their show at Radio City Music Hall in NYC.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 13:07:51 CEST 2010 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: King harvest video

with regard to the video posted by BEG for King Harvest, do we know the location of that cabin in woodstock where the video was shot? Im gonna be snooping around woodstock next month. is it a known location? thanks tim


Entered at Sat Jul 24 09:15:16 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: By the Turtle Pond

Subject: see below

... a tough post to compose. And I meant every word of it. God bless the Levon Helm Band.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 09:07:23 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: outraged and defensive

Subject: That sh*tty Washington Post review

Hey Ray Pence, Thanks for your post regarding Jan's link to the Washington Post review of the Levon Helm Band's performance. I liked how Jan cited the "poorly written, bordering on tacky, review of Levon's show". I have to agree. I am a diehard supporter of the Rambles, having attended several each year since their inception. I missed the first one, and have been attending about 4 a year in Helmland, and a couple more on the road each year ever since. It's absolutely the finest musical experience I've EVER had the honor to attend... over and over. The growth of the Rambles, and the ebbing and flowing of Lee's vocal ability is something I SO appreciate. Sheeit, I'll take it in ANY capacity. So, he can't sing much this particular time out? So what!?! THANKS for everything else. What a band! A band of band leaders, as Levon has noted. Howard Johnson, still playing with Levon after all these years... magnificent! Saxes Jay Collins and Eric Lawrence, Clark Gayton (alumnus of Lionel Hampton, RAY, Duke Ellington Orchestra, Wycliffe Jean, Nancy Wilson, Quincy, Bette Midler, Prince, Matchbox Twenty, Santana, and Frank), Brian Mitchell bringing New Orleans funk to the mix (and who else could confidently do the "Crazy Chester" verse?), Amy & her cohorts from Olabelle, Jay, & Byron Isaacs on bass (covering some of Rick's vocals beautifully). What a band! And for God's sake, Jimmy Weider is back in the fold! Soundman Justin will come off his duties at the board to play Levon's drum set or just the "big bass drum" when they need him. What's not to like? And don't get me started about Larry Campbell, if Lee gives him credit as "musical director", who the f**k is some hired gun writer to put him down?? Along with all of his notable accomplishments in the LHB, NOBODY in history has ever dared to take on Garth's organ intro to "Chest Fever", ever. When I first heard him do the grandiose organ intro on GUITAR a couple of years ago, I thought, "Damn! I NEVER expected to hear this song done live again in my lifetime!". And it was cause for rejoicing, and maybe a bit of weeping. The first few times out, it was true to form "Big Pink" style. Lately, Larry has taken a few additional liberties with it, ala Garth (who never played it the same way twice, live). Thursday, at The Keswick Theatre, I was delighted to hear (or imagine I heard) a few touches of "It's Good to Touch the Green, Green Grass of Home" in the intro. Keeps the music an organic, living thing. Everyone on stage seemed to dig it. If one grumpy writer felt otherwise, sorry pal, you ain't on the bus with the rest of us.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 06:48:56 CEST 2010 from (24.124.127.154)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: Larry Campbell and Chest Fever

Jan--

Thank you for linking that review. You may have read my reflections on the Levon Helm Band's concert in Kansas City Missouri (July 5), which I posted here recently.

In my piece, I mentioned that while the show as a whole was a thrilling and moving experience--the first time I'd attended a Levon event since The Band's reunion tour in 1983--I wasn't always sure about some elements of the concert, but that my uncertainty always gave way to satisfaction.

This was the case with the new version of Chest Fever. At first I wasn't sure quite what was going on when Larry C. began soloing--this was not the type of music that Levon has ever been associated with. So it was a little jarring but I soon figured out that Larry C. was basically leading a reworking of CF. And since there's no one who should even try duplicating what Garth's keyboards brought to that song, I thought that turning it into a showcase for Larry's virtuosity was shrewd, and part of the wonderful variety that the LHB represents onstage.

I didn't react negatively as the Wash Post writer did, but yeah, it took a little getting used to--it sure wasn't Dirt Farmer or even Electric Dirt. But it became part of an interesting, creative, powerful version of a classic song that very few bands would dare to cover (even though the word cover should come with an asterisk considering who's leading the LHB.)

The one thing the WP writer did get right was his account of Levon on drums. He was a powerhouse. I was knocked out by him and the way the energy flowed in a continuous circuit, Levon anchoring and driving the whole ensemble, and everyone else in the band, including for God's sake Howard Johnson (whose made me realize that this was the closest I'd ever get to the Rock of Ages shows), feeding their fire right back to Levon.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 06:06:28 CEST 2010 from (24.124.127.154)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence Kansas

Subject: Angelina Priorities

brown eyed girl--

I say this with absolute sincerity and boundless enthusiasm--when I hear the name "Angelina," it's you I think about. Rumor has it there's somebody kind of famous who shares your first name, but she'd have to try very hard to be as interesting and cool as you are on this GB.


Entered at Sat Jul 24 00:51:06 CEST 2010 from (68.174.47.148)

Posted by:

Tom

Subject: Lars the Chimney

Not definatively,my man.....got the thoroseal when we get another spell of no rain.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 21:10:31 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks John. Very good to know that Danny Brooks is on the mend.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 21:00:11 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Sly

Yes Bill, it was the hottest event I had ever gone to. It was in Hamilton and Domenic Troiano, Prakash and others were there. The humidity reached such a high that we took off our t shirts and wrung them out. Literally water on the floor. Our skin was soaking wet and of course Sly was fashionably very late that night. A very uncomfortable evening; but the music was great. Talked to Danny yesterday and he's coming along.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 19:31:22 CEST 2010 from (193.12.48.253)

Posted by:

Jack Edgren

Location: Sweden

I just have to say i think The Band is the most complete and magical band ever to exist. Their music fills me with such joy and mysterious feelings. Thanks for everything you have done and you will never be forgotten


Entered at Fri Jul 23 17:58:34 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I better change the channel here before Jan H gives us the boot! Hmmm Bill M.....You should have been a full time musicologist and I should have been a music researcher. John D and Paul Godfrey were able to be in the music bizzz and be at The Last Waltz to boot!!!!!!!!! Oh and Bill M.....When Prakash had short hair and sans moustache.....He looks like a Bollywood candidate.

See ya...gonna see the other angelina now.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 17:50:09 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: My brain is convinced that it remembers hearing you, back in the very early '70s when you were at CKFH and I was a devoted listener, talk about how hot it was at a Sly and the Family Stone concert. So hot, you said, that Prakash, bassist for opening act Bush in their big return to Toronto, almost passed out.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 17:31:53 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: Dick Wagner, Funkadelic, etc.

BEG: Thanks for those awesome links to Prakash and George Olliver's photos and stories. In the Olliver section, in the photo of all those people in front of the Bluenote, the guy at the top left, Wayne St John, is responsible for the short burst of scat singing towards the end of "Tears Are Not Enough" (with Richard Manuel et many al).

Good of Prakash to say such nice things about Dick Wagner. (That reminds me: I got a Mexican Frost LP in the same batch at Goodwill where I got my Mexican Big Pink and Stage Fright LPs.) Wagner first came to Toronto and Bob Ezrin as leader of Ursa Major, who were signed to Nimbus (which was owned by the Guess Who's producer, Jack Richardson, who played bass on Robbie's first recording session). The 45 from Ursa Major's one album, "Liberty And Justice" / "Lay Me Down" is a two-sided classic.

As for Funkadelic, while I didn't care for "Chocolate City", "America Eats Its Young" is wall-to-wall brilliant. Guest sax by Steve Kennedy, another alumnus of Motherlode, the Silhouettes and the Roulettes - and consequently on stage lots of times with our guys at the original Bluenote. When Funkadelic guitarist Gary Shider died a couple of weeks ago, the obit I saw said that he and a chum (I'm assuming Bernie Worrell) had moved their band, United Soul, to Toronto at the end of the '60s, and it was here that they were picked up by Funkadelic, who moved here after "Chocolate City". Both went so far as to become landed immigrants - and in Worrell's case switch to the Toronto musician's union.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 17:31:11 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Some people like to go out dancing. Some people like us we got to work."

Probably the first recording I heard from my brother's 8-tracks was "Rock and Roll Animal". On the radio I'd hear "Walk On The Wild Side" and wasn't sure if I was hearing the words correctly. lol

I was at a Louuuu Poetry reading as well but also Jim Carroll read his poetry too. The band that opened was Groovy Religion and of course....Louuu was honured with "Sweet Jane". This poetry reading was in Toronto on the Danforth. Louuuu was sooooo vulnerable.....no hiding behind his persona or guitar or singing here. The sensitive Louuu was present......I would really like to meet him. Anyway, I'm sure Laurie Anderson thinks Louu is a nice person as well.

Bill M...The poster I was referring to in a previous post was actually a photo from 1982.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 17:01:06 CEST 2010 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Lou

I was the MC for that show. Prakash and Whitey from the Bush days was a real treat. I've heard all the stories about Lou; but he was very nice. My son and I went to see him in New York a few years ago. It was a non-music event. He was reading his lyrics (like a poetry reading) in Manhattan at a public library.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 16:36:24 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M!!!!!! I missed Louuu with Prakash in 1974 by one year as I came to Toronto the following year....uggghh! I missed this experience just like I missed The Band by one year!!!!! Instead my town rented a bus for us to see Yes instead......Oooooow! I didn't even like them except for "The Roundabout".....sorry Brien.

I think this was the Louu concert my older brother saw....The one where he'd pretend to jack up with smack with his microphone.....oh Louuu....theatre at it's best or not.....At that time he played and acted out his Louuu character better than anyone. Today he's been clean since his early 40's thanks to AA and NA and he's very discplined via Tai Chi. Bravo Louuu!


Entered at Fri Jul 23 16:31:43 CEST 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC
Web: My link

Charlie, I've now read the poorly written, bordering on tacky review of Levon's show here Wed. night. Fortunate that the guy who wrote the review didn't write the headline. The headline is at least kind. And yeah, he'd lose his bet: "Campbell, a longtime member of Bob Dylan's touring band, is a fine player, but it's a good bet nobody had bought a ticket to hear him shred." I could listen to Larry all night.

Thanks BEG! The gov't server I'm on at work won't let me open the pics, but I'll look at them first thing when I get home.

J.F.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 16:22:17 CEST 2010 from (83.160.180.22)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Location: Low countries

Subject: Watkins Glen

Great to hear of 4 new and obviously "authentic" Watkins Glen cd's. They could replace the old compilation cd that turned out to be fraudulous, as Pat Brennan pointed out so scrupulously, years ago. Actually I do like it...

Just saying hello to old friends: Ha die Norbert! Is 't nog rustig in het grensgebied? Ilkka my friend, I'll answer you in due time... I watched your plane flying... and how's the dog? And Uncle Hangover, how are you? Still drinking the time away in Norway?


Entered at Fri Jul 23 16:21:03 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M!!! Prakash John on......Lou Reed!

Wagner and Hunter - "I remember this clearly - all these guys that came after Wagner and Hunter in '73, all these guys in that band Aerosmith, and a band called Boston, they'd have those dueling guitar things, you know... leads, harmonizing - they got that all from Wagner and Hunter. These guys use to come and follow us all over the place - New York, Boston, wherever we were playing with Lou Reed. Next thing I know, I listen to their albums, and it sounds like Wagner and Hunter. And good for them, but people should acknowledge that Wagner and Hunter were the originators. They're the guys who made that sound. If you hear that live album, Rock N Roll Animal, play the intro to "Sweet Jane." I'm telling you, that will give you and idea of what the two Detroit guys - well, Hunter came from Decatur, Illinois - and Whitey and I from Toronto, with our R&B roots, hammering away on a Lou Reed song. It's unedited. The beauty of that is none of the mistakes are fixed. Nothing is fixed on that album. It's a true live album. It was the third day I was in that band. I rehearsed one day, played in Toronto - of all places - the opening night, the next night was in New York and they recorded this album. When we were with Alice Cooper, people all over the world would always play that album, more than Welcome to My Nightmare, so that usually used to irritate Alice. That album got such rave reviews that even Lou Reed hates it, because a lot of people started panning him because of his singing, and I thought that was kind of unfair. Lou Reed has his own style - great lyricist - and people shouldn't judge him on his ability to sing. Nobody said he had to be Al Green or Frank Sinatra. He's Lou Reed. He can sing in that monotone voice, and if he didn't, it would sound silly. Anyway, Lou doesn't acknowledge that album, but that is a famous album, and everywhere in Europe, they'd play it.

Rock N Roll Animal

People still e-mail me about that album. The president of the Jack Bruce fan club finally got a hold of me a couple years ago. He'd been looking for me because was such a fan of Jack Bruce, but he was also a fan of Chris Squire and, oddly enough, me. He was telling me how influential that album was to a lot of people in Australia. Get it, play it full blast, and think of yourself at the Academy of Music in New York. Steve Katz, the guitar player for Blood, Sweat, and Tears, produced that album... the most unusual guy to produce that album, but nevertheless, the best guy, because he left it alone. That's probably my favorite album of all the albums I've done. I've done stuff that's maybe technically better, but every time that album is played, it sounds just like the way we recorded it. There's Lou reed coming in a bar early, two bars late... but that's how he is. You would be surprised at how many people talk about "Sweet Jane" alone. People just go mental when they find out that I played on it or they've been looking for me.

Outtakes of that album actually ended up on an album called Lou Reed Live. That's a prime example of RCA Records ripping off the bloody musicians. They have two albums, they pay us for one, but they can get away with it, because it was outtakes of the previous album. You couldn't give each musician a couple grand in the early '70s? That's the stuff that really irks me about the business. Once in a while I may think of it in a conversation like this, but really, the overriding factor is the music."


Entered at Fri Jul 23 16:14:18 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M....I remember now....I was at the Club Bluenote in 1981 for my birthday. Poster here is from 1982.

Another great film I saw yesterday was "Cyrus" with Marisa Tomei.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 15:25:30 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: The Bluenote on Yonge closed down entirely at the end of the '60s, and it wasn't until years later that an entrepreneur licensed the old name from Al Steiner and opened a new club with similar music up on Pears. I don't recall it becoming Peaches on Pears, but a name like that would have suggested disco to me, so I would have stayed away anyhow. BTW, the entrepreneur in question was a son of Mr Balkou, a shop teacher at Dunbarton High (as NB has pointed out). As for Bo Jackson and co., I'm not aware of a site, so I guess the group lives on only in the minds of its many alumni and the occasional fan/friend like you. Coincidentally, I did have a long chat with Denny from the Corp. over the weekend; he's sounding good and plays from time to time with Ken Marco from Motherlode - who happened to do a big reunion show in the dying days of the second Bluenote. (If you wanna pass along regards or something, you can email me at bm no-space unson at itac dot sea eh; he's no longer online himself. )


Entered at Fri Jul 23 14:02:58 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.165)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

JG and S.M.....Nope.....The photos were posted before....I just wanted to see his smiling face, but you're right JG.....15 years ago.....good vintage for all of us. Anyway, here are 7 pages of more photos in case you missed them the first time. Apologies to Deb.....as she's in the club as well. Sorry! Glad Bill M enjoyed them too. ;-D

For those who doubt that Robbie is a musician because he doesn't tour non-stop.

"A musician is a person who writes, performs, or makes music. Musicians can be classified by their roles in creating or performing music."


Entered at Fri Jul 23 04:29:48 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Leaky chimneys

My main man TOM!!!!-

Didja fix that leaky chimney yet?


Entered at Fri Jul 23 03:51:35 CEST 2010 from (68.174.47.148)

Posted by:

Tom

Web: My link

Subject: WATKINS GLEN

For those interested,here's a link to Hunger City, a legal torrent site, which still has the original Torrent of the 4 discs which I supplied. It's lossless not mp3. There's a free quick registration you have to do first but well worth it as they have some great stuff.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 03:09:58 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Watkins Glen

I'm excited about that 4-CD version of The Band and friends from Watkins Glen in 1973. I hope a soundboard recording exists in the greatest music archives I've heard from that era--the Grateful Dead tape collection. It HAS to be there somewhere...


Entered at Fri Jul 23 03:07:36 CEST 2010 from (24.108.12.129)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: BILL M

Hey Bill. In an earlier post you mentioned how the Bluenote moved up to Pears Avenue in the early 70's. Used to go there to see George Oliver and one of his guests one time was Mary Wells. Any way, with time passing I'm getting a little confused or forgetful. Did the Bluenote become Peaches on Pears? I remember going some where up there to see Ronnie Hawkins and his band. Was it at the Clubhouse on Merton Street? I remember being at the Clubhouse in the late 70's or early 80's and watched Joe Cocker fall off the stage and do a face plant. End of show. I think he got sober right after that. Some where in my brain vault I seem to remember that Bobby Taylor, ex-halfback for the Argoes, owned the Clubhouse. On a different note, our old friends from Zarathrustra/Bo B Jackson and the Corporation, is there any where to go on line and read or hear something from them? Thanks, C.


Entered at Fri Jul 23 02:22:28 CEST 2010 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: RR

WOW!!


Entered at Fri Jul 23 02:10:42 CEST 2010 from (99.141.24.175)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Subject: new Watkins Glen recording

thanks to the person below who posted the link for this (posted again just above). this is the new audience recording I posted about a few months ago. certainly not just for collector's only - all Band fans should hear the show as it's a great one, and the quality is very good. i'm still surprised to see no talk or even interest here about this surfacing, but it's on this site to listen to in mp3 format (which you can download for personal use, but not for trading as mp3 is lossy).


Entered at Fri Jul 23 01:22:01 CEST 2010 from (67.85.169.75)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Thanks, BEG, for that link. Lovely to see new photos surface, even if they're 15 years old. (Maybe especially because they're 15 years old. That was a good vintage. ;-) )


Entered at Fri Jul 23 00:32:53 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Absolute .....Indignation!.....or Indianation????

Bill Munson is one of those uptown Trana....yuppie punks!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 22:59:16 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: There goes Westcoaster again, the old softie, quoting John Masefield:

I must down to the seas again,
to the lonely sea and the sky
and all I ask is a watertight barge,
and a star to steer her by

That and an underwriter to pay the repair bills.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 19:43:25 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A Whale of a Tale

Well thank you Peter, now I can go down and work on my tug in peace.

Couple of news notes, I wonder if any of youze guys have seen. Near Cape Town South Africa, is a picture that just happened. A whale coming out of the water, and landing on a sail boat. If any one is interested, just google, (whale lands on sail boat). It's on my home page that comes up on news when I go online.

Also fer y'all in the south. A feller and his wife in Missouri, just caught the world's record catfish. 135 pounds. Wouldn't it have been great to see Watler Mathau and Jack Lemmon catch that baby! God rest their souls.

David I can see you are a WC fan like me....my sweet, my sweet......my little honeysuckle........NOT YOU - YOU GRASS LAND STUNK WEED!!!!!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 19:19:28 CEST 2010 from (206.47.33.101)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Yes Bill M...I knew you'd appreciate the link. It does indeed say something about Robbie's playing if Buchanan walked. Btw the late Paul G would always tell me that his fave guitarist was probably Roy. He did however respect and admire Robbie's drive and talent as well. The more I read and hear about Robbie's playing in the late fifties and early sixties.......Anyway, I miss those chats on the phone and via email with Paul G. He was a very cool cat who liked to tell some lies...as The Hawk would say....RIP

I've been seeing a lot of films over the summer heatwave and thought of Fred....Check out "Io sono l'amore" which was filmed in Milan and England.

Deee and S.M.....When I was a student at the same school Bill M attended...over the summer months I worked for one of our most upscale shops Holt Renfrew....I barely survived....my saving grace was the elevator operator at the time....not kidding....looked exactly like Robbie!!!!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 18:43:29 CEST 2010 from (68.164.5.24)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ahhhh yessss. Beanbags. Very exciting. I was at the championships in Paris in '38. Many people were killed.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 18:43:10 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

westcoaster: W.C. Fields also said, "Im very fond of children. Girl children, around eighteen and twenty."


Entered at Thu Jul 22 18:26:02 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I shall be sober.

Phew, this is a hard one to trace. First off, it does work much better with the full stop after sober. According to Wikipedia, W.C. Fields said it in 1934 in “It’s A Gift” but the line was Yeah, and you’re crazy. But I’ll be sober tomorrow and you’ll be crazy the rest of your life.’

The Churchill one is said to have happened in 1946 Bessie Braddock MP addressed Churchill as he was leaving the House of Commons and that’s the classic “ugly” one. According toi Wiki, this exchange was confirmed to Richard Langworth by Ronald Golding, a bodyguard present on the occasion (as Churchill was leaving the House of Commons in 1946).So let’s say Churchill was quoting Fields, but in fact improved the line!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 17:07:44 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Glancing at that new gallery of Robbie photos, seeing #12291596 made me realise that the perfect guy for the long-awaited bio-pic would be RoDo Jr. Downey's insistence on using the JR tag suddenly makes sense!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 16:55:07 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Ya - - BUT!

Oh....man, now we gots to get in a fight. I been using that line all my life Peter, and as far as I've ever known it's attributed to WC. Don't make that Aussie kid out to be right. You Englishmen are aways tryin' to take the credit for everything. Now I got to find a way to prove it. Gawd damn anyway.

I got a whole arsenal of WC Fields. My favourite, is when the IRS came after him. He hadn't paid income tax for gawd knows how long. In the movie Rod Steiger delivers the line perfectly. These two Revenoor guys piss him right off, and he yells at them, "Taxes, TAXES! If I quit smokin cigars and drinkin' whiskey you two sons-a-bitches would be out of a job.........anybody who hates little boys and dogs and likes whiskey can't be all bad........I like children...(fried)


Entered at Thu Jul 22 16:15:48 CEST 2010 from (90.239.119.135)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Posted by Norbert: I want to break something ....

Upgrade Windows.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 16:09:06 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

BEG: Thanks for the links. Re Roy Buchanan's 'tenure' with Ronnie Hawkins, Hawkins's bassist at the time, Rebel Paine, told me that Buchanan turned up uninvited (as far as Rebel knew) for a two-week gig in Grand Bend in hopes of pushing Robertson out of his new role as lead guitarist (replacing the just-departed Fred Carter). Robbie wasn't going to give up without a fight, so it was an incredibly intense two weeks of music, Rebel said. And it certainly says something about Robbie's playing that it was Buchanan who walked.

Speaking of Ronnie Hawkins, Sammy Creason (mentioned in the Ollie story), as a Dixie Flyer, played on Ronnie's second Cotillion LP. Lorain, Ohio, mentioned in the story at the end of the follow-on link, seems to have been something of a crossroads of northern and southern tour routes. There was one big club there and the owner of that club also owned the small but somewhat consequential Destiny label, whose most cherished release, "I Found My Love" by the Infatuators, is a doo-wop gem that was picked up for wider release by King. Backing the Infatuators on that one was a Toronto-based sub-Hawks group, Larry Lee and the Leesures, who recorded a couple of their own 45s on Destiny. (The same magazine, "Now Dig This", ran an article I wrote about that years ago; unfortunately that was pre-internet so isn't posted anywhere.)

Kevin G: Another pre-Box Tops version of "Soul Deep" was recorded in Nashville by Robbie Lane and the Disciples in '66. Produced by Fred Carter who, as I posted a day or two ago, also produced the group when they were still with Hawkins. Unfortunately it wasn't released until maybe 10 years ago, when in appeared on a Disciples comp that you might be able to track down.

Peter V: Speaking of "The Letter", have you heard the Arbors' beautiful space-folk version, a minor hit ca. '69?


Entered at Thu Jul 22 15:49:20 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.65)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For S.M., Deee, Jan F, Claire, Jersey Girl, Serenity, Tracy....He's cute with or without a guitar and should smile more often. ;-D


Entered at Thu Jul 22 15:45:39 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.65)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Richard Manuel

Belated Congrats Comrade Stevon Farm. Has your daughter chosen a song for their first dance?
One of my close friends married this month and chose together...."Tupelo Honey".
We had seen Van twice together.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 13:24:36 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Dlew: Thanks for the tip!


Entered at Thu Jul 22 13:07:11 CEST 2010 from (24.161.58.10)

Posted by:

Woodstock

Web: My link

Subject: Watkins Glen '73 Complete

For collectors only - this has just recently surfaced... a very interesting story and finally an authentic document instead of the faux mini release of Watkins Glen from the 90's.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 08:52:27 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.179)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dedicated To Roy Buchanan and his, 1953 Fender® Telecaster® "Nancy"
Presented by DON MARE PICKUPS

"Hawkins' band played Toronto, where his cousin, Arkansan-turned Torontonian Ronnie Hawkins, ruled Yonge Street - the town's entertainment strip. Ronnie lured Roy away from Dale, mostly to tutor the Hawk's talented but unsophisticated guitarist, Robbie Robertson. As Roy explained once, "Ronnie was very strict about how he was backed, and Robertson would either overplay or underplay. He'd be playing lead when Ronnie was singing and it just wouldn't work out. So I showed him how to do it, because that's what I was really into, backing up people and making them sound good."


Entered at Thu Jul 22 08:47:11 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.179)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"A bass player named Jesse Tharp had been doing some recording at Conway Twitty's studio in Marianna (about 20 miles south of Forrest City), and one day they needed a drummer for a session. Jesse had heard Ollie play somewhere or other, so he gave him a call. Other sessions followed, and Ollie said he met Sonny Burgess there and played on Sonny's first album, though neither of us could remember which album was his first. Ollie, Boone and Jesse started a band called The Spinners, but, as you may already know, it wasn't the famous group of the same name. They hired a guitar player, whose name isn't necessary for full enjoyment of the story, and decided to hold a weekend dance at the National Guard armory. Then the guitar player got himself arrested and thrown in jail on Wednesday. Ollie had a Thursday night session at the studio with Fred Carter Jr. and Robbie Robertson, who played lead guitar and bass in Ronnie Hawkins' band. He mentioned to Fred about the guitar player being in jail and the dance on the weekend, and Fred and Robbie offered to play with them. They did, and made twenty dollars each."


Entered at Thu Jul 22 08:44:08 CEST 2010 from (76.69.85.179)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Richard Manuel


Entered at Thu Jul 22 08:36:01 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

No, no, no. "You'll still be ugly" is overkill.

It's just "But tomorrow I shall be sober." You have to think in the rest. And it needs "shall be" not "ll be". And Winston was socializing with the Astors before W.C. Fields came to fame. This is a disputed one.


Entered at Thu Jul 22 04:27:16 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: No! - No! - NO!

DLEW.......... I don't know where you get your information from ...BUT! The comment you have attributed to Winston Churchill, comes from WC Fields. "Sir, you are DRUNK!, Yes Madam and you are ugly. Tomorrow, I'll be sober, but.....you'll still be ugly." A very famous line my boy, and one of WC's most famous.

Now don't confuse things, however, I'll forgive you. Living way over there down under. You can't be expected to keep up with the times, "FROM 70 YEARS AGO!"......oh,,,,,,, my heart.

Aw shit.......yer just a pup yet anyway.

Lars, I just got in, and got it all, (both ways). I'll e mail you soon. I'm in a surly mood, (I guess I'm supposed to be happy.) We had a real ugly, freak wind the other night. I had my barge tied on a mooring buoy, right in front of where I live here. That wind came up "instantly" to 50 knots. Broke both my bridles which I tow on, and had tied my barge o, and it went ashore. Did some damage, (not a lot). Turned out kinda good. There was some maitainance I wanted to do, so now the underwriters have to pay for the dry dock, so I get the rest of my work done.

At the same time, I just got a "newer truck" 2007 GMC Extended cab, 4x4, (but not diesel) it was a lease from the school board, and only has 55,000 klicks on it, That's about 30,000 miles to you yankees, that's "like new".

Onlyiest thing is, I had to put away today, that old 1993, Chevvy Silverado, dual wheel 1 ton, diesel 4x4 that I've had so long. I'll miss her. That is a beautiful old truck. But I figured, she's getting old. If the engine calfs, or something like that, after I retire, I'm screwed.

I'd have to spend my savings, buying a new rig. So buying it now, I get to write it off, I get my tax money back, and everything..........See you gots to start thinking like Steve!

I'll talk to you tomorrow old son.....I'm gonna get some sleep now............


Entered at Thu Jul 22 03:45:38 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter V: Clapton is (not) God...

Peter: what do you think of J J Cale and Eric Clapton's 'Road to Escondido'? I rate it highly (it's probably not as good as Electric Dirt, if you could compare the two), but I think it's a good record. But I'm interested to know what you think, if you've heard it?


Entered at Thu Jul 22 03:42:25 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Brien: Churchill

I'm actually a bit of a fan of Roy Jenkins' biography of Churchill: Jenkins had (for you non-Brits) held every office Churchill did except Prime Minister, so there's a lot of good insight to how Churchill did his day to day work. The other good one is Churchill: A study in failure by ... (I've forgotten) which looks at his career pre World War 2)...

Of course, none really captures Churchill the bon vivant and raconteur and quick wit:

An example:

Lady Astor (to Churchill): You're Drunk!

Churchill: And, madam, you're ugly. But tomorrow, I will be sober and you will still be ugly.

Lady Astor (again I think): If I were your wife, I should put poison in your coffee.

Churchill: and, madam, if I were your husband, I should drink it.

Pointing to a particularly pretentious and arrogant member of the House of Lords: 'There, but for the grace of God, goes God.'



Entered at Thu Jul 22 00:53:01 CEST 2010 from (216.215.127.195)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

I'm trying to image how Jim Morrison might have reacted to one of those revolving stages (that's a nightmare for some people here, I know). I wonder if anyone ever gets seasick on one of those. On the other hand, I'd love to have seen The Band on one of those to get the occasional glimpse of Garth behind the keyboard--out front for a change (without having to resort to an accordian or sax change).


Entered at Wed Jul 21 23:18:03 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: After Midnight

Ah! Thanks for clearing that up. I only rate the J.J. Cale version myself! I remembered buying that later, but in general, I'm not a Clapton fan. When did headphones first appear in listening booths? I only remember speakers in listening booths from 1962 to around 1970. One of the first things I heard at full volume on really good headphones was "Live at Leeds" which gave me a major appreciation of John Entwhistle. I can recall headphones in a local store in 1969 or 1970, but not fantastic ones.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:41:32 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

And yes, Eric Clapton's version of J.J. Cale's "After Midnight" was released in late 1970. Mr. Cohn version, however, is closer to the laid-back version of Mr. Cale's which was released about a year or so later.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:35:51 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

In case you're wondering -- Yes, the Boxtops released "The Letter" in 1967, but Joe Cocker's live single version from "Mad Dogs & Englishmen" was also top-ten hit in 1970.

Here's an excerpt from Marc Cohn's liner notes for "Listening Booth: 1970":

"Some of my favorites from that year were too intimidating or iconic to touch. Some were impossible to reinterpret in a meaningful way. My friend and producer John Leventhal and I wanted to make these old familiar classics sound, in effect, like you were hearing them for the first time."


Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:19:03 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The one little mom & pop record store (actually it was owned by a friend's grandparents) that I remember had glass windows. Presumably this was so the store manager could keep an eye on the customers as they handled the merchandise. Sound insulation wasn't needed because you listened through headphones.

My favorite neighborhood shop was in a shopping mall. The owner usually keep busy in the back room where he had a professional recording studio, while several cool young guys ran the store. One of them was an accomplished local musician, who tought guitar lessons on the side and would often show you licks from the latest hits on an acoustic gut-string he kept handy. They would always play the latest releases as they came in through a nice sound system, so you really didn't need to bother with a listening booth, as they would gladly play anything you wanted to hear. If they didn't have a certain record in stock, they would special order it for you.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:15:52 CEST 2010 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin G

Location: NE PA

Subject: Soul Deep

Just found a couple of versions, including Carson's out on YouTube.



Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:11:28 CEST 2010 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin G

Location: NE PA

Subject: Sout Deep

Thanks Peter. I'll check out some of the other versions.

Just heard of Wayne Carson from his involvment with the Box Tops's but I did not realize he recorded (for some reason thought he just wrote. Silly assumption).

Any Big Star recomendations?


Entered at Wed Jul 21 22:06:19 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Soul Deep

A great song. If you're heavily into the song, check out the Wayne Carson original, as well as covers by Clarence Carter and Gary US Bonds. They're all worthy, as is The Band take, but I'd go back to the Box Tops as definitive. But it's what iTunes is for … try it!


Entered at Wed Jul 21 21:54:53 CEST 2010 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin G

Location: NE PA

Subject: Soul Deep

Anyone know if the Band's cover of the Box Top's "Soul Deep" was ever performed Live? I'm guessing not as I've never seen it surface on any of the 90's tapes I've seen. But I could have missed it.

Was browsing eBay and noticed someone has the 3 silver CD set of "Crossing The Great Divde" and got a bit of nostalgia. I dug up my CDr copy (sold the originals years ago) and really like Levon's vocals on this song. I was inspired to pick up a Box Top's compiliation to get into the original version. A seller at a record show I frequent twice a year in my area commented once on how Levon is perfect in his "phrasing". After checking out the original, to me, Soul Deep is a perfect example of this.

I know Alex Chilton passed recently (couple months back I think). I'm just now getting around to his stuff. Anyone know where to start with Big Star?


Entered at Wed Jul 21 21:44:50 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Listening Booth 1970

What a track list!

Not available from amazon.co.uk yet,but great songs … Tears of A Clown, Maybe i’m Amazed, The Only living Boy In New York, The Letter, After Midnight (no way that was 1970), Long As I Can See The Light.

Funnily enough, I picked up a pristine CCR “Long As I Can See The Light” single today for 25p, though Bill Haley's "Rudy's Rock" at 25p was a sounder investment.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 21:38:27 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. I'm a Marc Cohn enthusiast, going way back. Listening Booths has me immediately on the title. I'll get a copy. Did you have that pegboard with holes in it in listening booths? Most booths here had it over the sound insulating material, and it had always been "picked" by listeners leaving bare patches, that were probably asbestos!


Entered at Wed Jul 21 19:48:26 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter: One of the songs covered by Marc Cohn is Van's "Into the Mystic".


Entered at Wed Jul 21 19:37:14 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

There was a retail chain of Listening Booth Music stores. I don't recall if they were national. We had a few here in the Philadelphia area.

Pat, that drive from Gettysburg to Devon on Rte 30 would take you half a day now.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 18:31:13 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Listening Booths

When I was at the University of Georgia I discovered that the main library had several listening booths, which were somewhat hidden in the recesses of one of the lower floors. That became my favorite place to study, perfect isolation chambers far removed from any distractions. The library had a decent selection of classical music albums to chose from that I would sometimes play at low volume.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 18:29:36 CEST 2010 from (70.92.154.164)

Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Recent Posts

BEG: Thanks for all the latest posts...especially you know who!

Norm: Oh please not vinyl! I would have to purchase a player, maybe even get all of my old 45's and 33 1/3's out of storage! You want the vinyls? I'll ship them to you! If it's a CD, you Know I'll buy one.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 18:25:09 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: The original Blue Note was an aafter-hours club on Yonge. Running from the late '50s to about '70 it featured a houseband behind local and touring singers and players looking for something to do after their own gigs. Over that decade the parade of housebands included the Gems, the Regents (post Robbie Robertson), the Silhouettes, Whitey and the Roulettes (who became the Rogues when Troiano joined from the Hawks), the Rogues (later the Mandala), the Peepers, the Statlers and a couple of others. Some, likely all, of our guys would have participated until they left town for good. The 'new' Blue Note, which is what you're thinking of, was on Pears near Ave&Dav; houseband was George Olliver (Roulettes, Rogues, Mandala) for a long time. I didn't go to the first one at all; I went just a couple times to the second. As for Ontario Place, I did see a lot of shows there. The ones I recall were BS&T, Martin Mull, Bruce Cockburn, Murray McLauchlan, Foot in Cold Water, Max Webster, Chilliwack, Powder Blues - but there were many others.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 18:15:26 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

STEVE- You sound nervous. What's up Bub?


Entered at Wed Jul 21 16:47:31 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Listening booths

In England having a turntable in the booth was quite rare though I have seen it. Even in the early 60s, they usually had several turntables behind the counter and only speakers in the listening booth. I think the problem was people mishandling records with greasy hands, scratching them etc. The enclosed booths were a luxury with a bench seat for two, and many a teenage romance blossomed in the enclosures, but not that much, as nearly all had glass doors. I do recall one shop that didn't.

Knowing the shop assistant was the key to whiling away time in booths. My favourite had stacks of Chess import LPs and a generous listening policy. I used to listen to Bobby Darin's "Earthy" there about once a week for months, marvelling at the bass part on "Work Song". I couldn't afford to buy the LP and didn't. Obviously so many years on I now have two copies of the LP and the CD.

I also remember listening to "Moondance" right through both sides on a wet afternoon in Norwich in a luxurious booth, having read a review saying it was Band-like. I decided it wasn't and didn't buy it till later, after I bought Tupelo Honey in fact. Around 1971 they introduced headphones instead. Never quite the same.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 16:12:06 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.216)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, knowing your concern for local musicians I know you offered Randy a quarter pounder with bacon and cheese when he staggered off stage. As the old southern blues guys like to say," You gotta eat that beef to beat the heat and keep that beat."


Entered at Wed Jul 21 16:08:19 CEST 2010 from (76.67.17.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....please omit "go" in my last post.

Bill M! Was the gorgeous and talented Danny Weiss there?!!!! You forgot to mention that Michael Fonfara is also an alumni of Louuu's as is Weiss. I was at the Club Bluenote....but wasn't it off of Yonge north of Bloor? Hmmmm.....was it Jr. Walker? At the Colonial Club on Yonge around Queen Street I saw the Mighty Clouds of Joy...one of my first introductions to music in the small apple.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 16:04:32 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Anyone know a good biography on Winston Churchill? I'll be finished reading my current book soon, Human Smoke - eh, and am looking for my next read.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 15:57:59 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: The Danny Brooks benefit was fabulous. Large crowd and the cream of the local blues-rock musicians (i.e., old guys), including George Olliver from the Mandala, Michael Fonfara from Rhinoceros, Fred Kealer (one of Robbie's key Telecaster disciples when with David Clayton Thomas and the Shays, '64-'66), most of the Cameo Blues Band, much of Mondo Combo, all of Danny Brooks' own band, Steve Kennedy (long-time musical director at the Club BlueNote on Yonge where Robbie, Levon, etc used to jam after hours). No reference was made to our guys, though Fred Keeler and John Bride (sometimes called "the last of the great Toronto tele players) did lead the charge through "Bo Diddley".

Kevin J: I noticed a flyer on the wall of the club (Hollywood on the Queensway) pointing out that Danny B (not Danny Brooks) will be there tomorrow with his band - including Penti "Whitey" Glan (Mandala, Lou Reed, etc) on drums. Also, on Sunday we were at the Blue Goose to see Eugene Smith, and a flyer on the wall there said that the Friday feature was the "Leggat Brothers featuring former members of A Foot in Cold Water, Van Morrison and Nucleus". That'd be Hughie Leggat, bassist in the first and third, brother Gordie, who was with him in Private Eye ("Your Place Or Mine") and presumably drummer Pat Little, the only local that I know of who played with Van. The story is that he drummed without credit on "Caravan". Certainly he did play with Van circa '69.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 15:35:05 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Listening Booth

I've been enjoying Marc Cohn new release, "Listening Booth: 1970", just out this week. As the title implies, the album harkens back to the times when some record stores had listening booths for customers to sample music. There would be a turntable, a small integrated amp & headphones where one could listen to 45s & LPs, which were often promo copies. Nowadays, in the world of disappearing brick & mortar CD stores, we have digital listening stations, but the ambience is not the same.

Mr. Cohn's excellent album features reinterpreted versions of some of the music from 1970 that inspired him as a young man. It's co-produced by the multi-talented John Leventhal (Roseanne Cash's husband), who also plays many instruments throughout. Band fans may recall Mr. Cohn's song "Listening to Levon" from a few years ago.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 15:08:50 CEST 2010 from (76.67.17.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

There was also a revolving Stage at Toronto's Ontario Place when it was 7.00 a show! You could go early and save great seats or take your chances....but if the act was really popular you'd end up in the grass section.....behind the seated area.....problematic on rainy nights in Toronto. I guess it wasn't profitable so it was torn down and made into a huge venue with reserved seating only and up, up, up, up went the cost. I liked how the stage sloooowly rotated around so I could experience the moment from many angles and perspectives. I saw many shows there as I coould get a reprieve from the oppressive northern heat and soothe my soul with music from preformers such as....

Roy Orbison
Gladys Night and The Pips
Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes
Jennifer Warren
54 40
Dan Hiill
Murray McLauchlan
Peter Tosh
Grover Washington Jr.
Third World

NB....Please give my best to NG.

Bill M...How was the Benefit show for Danny Brooks go?


Entered at Wed Jul 21 08:54:39 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: By the algae choked Turtle Pond

Subject: Music Fair

The Valley Forge Music Fair... you had to enjoy/put up with the fact that the stage revolved slowly (like the minute hand on a clock?) and you sometimes had a good view of the stage, sometimes a bad view of the stage, and sometimes a weirdly intimate view, all within the course of a song. I could be wrong, but it seemed that no seat was more than 25/30? rows from the stage, and afforded such close views that, at times you saw the "just bought" store creases in Rick's jeans or Garth's huge piles of cords, processors odd keyboards and connectors. A decent venue in all respects except, maybe a bit pricey. They booked most of the same acts that played the week before or after in NY's Westbury Music Fair (although Westbury had more Sinatra, Bennett, et al acts). One time I was "on hold" on the phone with a NYC business that had a local radio station on as its "you're on hold" musical distraction and I heard a commercial that sounded like the standard Valley Forge Music Fair one, but all the dates were off by a week. Turned out to be the same format & announcer in Westbury, that did the promos for Valley Forge. I saw the '80's &'90's Band there. Saw Arlo Guthrie there in the '70s, Little Feat in the '90s. Chris Smither a couple of times. David Bromberg, Merle Haggard and (maybe) Jerry Jeff.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 05:20:59 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Revolving stages

I remember seeing The Reformed Band in the summer of 1996, in Latham, NY. The Latham Starlite Music Theatre was a revolving stage like the one Peter is talking about. The Band had been on the road for a while before that show and Randy Ciarlante looked emaciated--I barely recognized him.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 04:45:50 CEST 2010 from (72.237.79.129)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: Music Fair

Aside from good acoustics, the Valley Forge Music Fair's stage was round and revolved slowly. At times it afforded you a view you would not usually get, like the vast array of keyboards and equipment behind Garth. Delightful.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 01:08:24 CEST 2010 from (216.215.127.195)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: NRBQ...and Those "Music Fair" Venues

I only got to see NRBQ twice, but both were wonderful shows. I saw them open for John Sebastian when I lived in NYC in the 1980s. They did a great opening set and then served as John's backing band, channeling that Lovin' Spoonful groove as well as anyone ever did. Then I saw them on what turned out to be their final tour. They were just as good as ever. I wish they'd come back and bring Al Anderson along for the ride (and Mr. Sebastian, too, for that matter).

I saw many shows at the DC-area venue that copied Valley Forge Music Fair--Shady Grove Music Fair--from The Byrds to Bruce Springsteen. It was a wonderful venue and I even saw some shows at Westbury Music Fair as well. A couple of the best were Pete Seeger with Arlo Guthrie (and I got to meet them both afterward) and on a visit back to Long Island a few years ago I saw Bruce Hornsby at the venue. I loved those revolving stages, and the recent James Taylor-Carole King tour made me remember how well that can work.


Entered at Wed Jul 21 00:10:06 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

bob, that's the place. I was on the Gettysburg battlefield all day then drove Rt. 30 straight to the show.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 21:52:54 CEST 2010 from (76.3.105.197)

Posted by:

Robert Paluf

Location: North Carolina

Subject: Artwork

First time here, very impressive. Thanks to all who had a hand creating the website.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 21:40:39 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Bill M: I know that Fred Carter played on both albums that Ronnie Hawkins recorded for Momument Records in Nashville -- "Rock 'n Roll Resurrection" and "Giant of Rock 'n Roll". Both were reissued together later as a two-fer and I still have a copy of that LP set.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 21:28:41 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Valley Forge / the Kinks ...

Bob W / Pat B: The first time I heard of Valley Forge was the fall of '63 when I started to receive copies of the US Scouting magazine, "Boy's Life", an aunt an uncle having bought me a subscription in recognition of me having just joined Cubs. All pretty Hardy Boys over all, though the jokes page was pretty good. I even recycled one of them here fairly recently - about caching a small Czech in reference to Stan Mikita's departure from his homeland. (Sobering to think that a 50+ guy is recyling jokes picked up when he was 10-.) The Canuck equivalent, "Canadian Boy", first appeared the following year; it was much looser, and even had a very good pop column by Sandy Gardiner, a British ex-pat in Ottawa who'd coined the term 'Beatlemania', as immortalised on the first album released in Canada (and the US too, I believe).

Calvin: You won't like this, but Sandy quoted Bill Wyman putting down the DC5 and the Kinks in '65 as they both used session men. And speaking of Peter Quaife, the better obits - eg, the one in the Daily Telegraph - noted that he formed Mapleoak after leaving the Davies. The three other Mapleoakers were Canuckistanis in London. Amazingly enough, I saw the remaining two, Stan Endersby and Gord MacBain (Marty Fisher, previously a former early member of the Disciple/Hawks, died a few years ago), jamming with others at a a backyard party on Sunday.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 20:54:51 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Pat, here's some history and a few photos that may look familiar.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 20:49:14 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Pat, I'm sure then that it was the Valley Forge Music Fair in Devon....north and west of the city. The venue sat right along Rte 202. They hosted a lot of great shows and the sound there was quite good. Been gone now for about fifteen years.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 20:40:57 CEST 2010 from (216.121.194.179)

Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Sweet brown eyed girl

Thank you! He is so cute at any age!


Entered at Tue Jul 20 20:14:02 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Congratulations on the upcoming wedding. I trust that you'll use your father-of-the-bride speech as an opportunity to say nice things about the new son-in-law rather than take swipes at Lars. There will be plenty more occasions for that ...

NB: Do rush out and buy Fred Eaglesmith's "Cha Cha Cha" CD. It's fabulous; not quite as special as "Tinderbox", but what could be, given that was the album of the century so far.

David P: I've always liked NRBQ but with one exception never enough to hold on to their records. The exception is the phenomenal "Down In My Heart" 45 with great sax work by King Curtis (a Hawkins/Hawks link!)

Sad about Fred Carter, who played, I believe, on the second Hawkins LP (with Levon; album included two Robbie co-writes too) and likely at least some of Ronnie's "Folk Ballads" and "Hank Williams" LPs. Said to have taught Robbie lots of tricks, including the use of banjo strings. Returned to Hawkins employ in '65, but as writer and in-house producer for Hawkins' lHawk label - so was involved in records by Hawkins and the Hawks (aka the Disciples) and by Robbie Lane and the Disciples. Was also on, I think, Hawkins' "Rock and Roll Resurection" LP in the early '70s and another comeback LP in the late '70s, "The Hawk", along with Jerry Penfound.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 20:06:37 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

bob, it was in a north Philly suburb but I don't recall which one. However, it was in the round and actually sounded very good.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 19:51:48 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.60)

Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, Dlew. Kate's doing her teacher training, ( a 4 year program) she's only half done and knowing her she'll finish that before having kids. But you never know.

Too bad NB. We could have played the back 40, it's been 5 or 6 years since I last swung a club so my game is probably in top form right about now. Sorry to hear about your mother in law and aunt. We went to Marge's father's funeral a month ago. Bill( Marge's father) still brings a smile when I think of him. Never met a guy with so much integrity, great stories( war stories that were never about war)and a guy who was always more interested in really listening than talking. He had 11 kids and I never heard any of them have one bad word to say about him in the 36 years I knew him. Great guy. He was 89.

My address is heggison at netscape dot ca. Give it a whirl.

gotta go I know Lars has the clock running.

Just one more thing while we're on NRBQ. They were the first regional American band I saw when I first went to the states. They played Providence College twice when I was there and saw them both times.They had the HWH's with them as well from what I remember. Great band. I may have danced.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 19:40:13 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Was it the Valley Forge Music Fair in Devon, PA where you saw that show?


Entered at Tue Jul 20 18:35:17 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

I saw NRBQ at Tipitina's in the early 90's. That was a heckuva thing. Also saw Fred Carter Jr. in the Band at the Valley Forge PAC, probably mid-80's. Couldn't quite understand the need for two guitars onstage.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 17:34:35 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Captain Lou & the Man on the Moon

Todd: I reminded that NRBQ replaced Albert Grossman with the late "Captain" Lou Albano, the colorful former wrestler who once grappled with the likes of Freddie Blassie. Mr. Blassie, in turn, was later memorialized in R.E.M.'s "Man on the Moon". Captain Lou became more famous in portraying Cyndi Lauper's dad in several of her popular videos.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 17:13:14 CEST 2010 from (69.182.87.208)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Dear Landlord

Thanks David for your thoughts on NRBQ. The times that I saw Big Al, I remember him playing a Les Paul, but you mentioned his Tele, and I see him with a Tele on a lot of the You Tube clips, so maybe that was his axe of choice more often than not. Either way, his large hands made either instrument look tiny. Glad that the Q inspired you to dance. Apparently you were not alone. Here is a snippet from a review from Amazon about the Yankee Stadium album that seems to match your experience.

"NRBQ AT YANKEE STADIUM is so full of good songs it just makes you sick that everyone hasn't heard it. It is a victory for average man, who wants to have fun without being stupid, who wants to sing without being a sap, who wants to dance without fear."

Even though NRBQ released many albums over the years, they never seemed to really break out as big as they could have been. I was reading up on a little background info on the band, and it seems like they had some unfavorable dealings with Mr. Grossman during their time at Bearsville. It reminds me of Dylan's song 'Dear Landlord'. Link to the writeup is above, but here is the relevant paragraph.

"About three years of club dates later, Bearsville Records (owned by Dylan's former manager Albert Grossman) signed NRBQ. Their most accessible record to date resulted, Grooves In Orbit. It could have, should have, been a crossroads release based on the college airplay of the day, but failed to break them out onto the airwaves at large. What really created a crucial impasse, though, was that another Bearsville record in the works was stopped cold. Warners had wanted a cut removed from Grooves In Orbit, "12 Bar Blues." The band was behind the song, and it had been written by a friend, Jack Butwell, who was dying at the time. They had told him they were cutting his song, and it was staying on the album, as far as Terry and the group were concerned. That standoff opened up a rift with Grossman that proved costly. He refused to release the next album. Even worse, he wouldn't let them out of their contract. NRBQ was unable to make any new recordings until he died a few years later."

It's a shame when the business of music gets in the way of the actual music, but I suppose that some things will never change.
Long live the Q!


Entered at Tue Jul 20 17:06:40 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Kevin: The news of Gregg Allman's recent liver transplant brought back memories of the first time I saw the Allman Brothers Band. They were completely unknown at the time when, one Sunday in early summer of 1969, my friends & I happened to catch them playing a free concert in Piedmont Park in Atlanta. Subsequently, they would often drive up from Macon to play in the park, just before they made a name for themselves and began getting booked for concerts in larger & larger venues. I lost count of how many times I saw them in the early days, where I could usually get a seat by the front of the stage on the side where Gregg & Duane set up, with Gregg hunkered down behind his Hammond B-3 and Duane with his gold-top Les Paul or SG.

Although I got to see The Band original 5 a couple of times, I envy those who got to see them as the Hawks under similar circumstances in their early days.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 16:26:09 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

David P: A great post.............we had some friends from Montreal in town on the weekend and at some point while driving around downtown I pointed out the old Maple Leaf Gardens............This led to a whole discussion of first concerts, best concerts, worst concerts, concerts you didn't really want to go to but did and were pleasantly surprised, etc...........................life is tough but just the thought of those times - at a club, in the aisle of an arena, on the beach or at a wedding when music can make even the unlikely do a little dance - is a beautiful thing.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 16:07:55 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Norm: No...I had not heard of them....love the name though!......and they do have something going on as their choice of posters is inspired as is their attention to lighting on stage in one of the clips viewed........".The Council of Smokers and Drinkers" sounds like an episode of Sherlock Holmes.............also, reminds me of the name of a band in the 80's - not much of a band but great name........anyone remember "Haircut 100"?

Sad to hear the news of Fred Carter Jr


Entered at Tue Jul 20 15:51:31 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Sad to hear the news of the passing of Fred Carter, Jr. I'd just mentioned his playing on Waylon's "Nashville Rebel" yesterday. After moving to Nashville he got a big break when he caught the attention of Chet Atkins, who started using him on RCA recording sessions. At the time, Mr. Carter established himself as the Telecaster specialist, as not too many Nashville cats were using the twangy Fender guitar back then.

Todd: Fortunately, I got to see NRBQ many times over the years playing bars here in Atlanta. The first time, as I always take pleasure in recalling, Bruce Springsteen opened for them at the famous, long gone Richards club. Several times later, I saw them at some really funky little bars. Once, when they were accompanied by the Whole Wheat horns, the great music even compelled me to get out on the dance floor. Now, I'm a man who, in the words of Tom T. Hall, can't dance, but the power of the music & several lovely young ladies had me jitterbugging that night.

NRBQ used to place a hat at the edge of the stage, where the audience could drop in song requests on slips of paper. At some point during the evening, Terry Adams would reach in & draw out a request, the weirder the better, which the band would promptly play. I remember one night when the chosen request was the Righteous Brothers' "You've Lost That Loving Feeling", which drummer Tom Ardolino performed with a dummy, dressed exactly like him, on his knee and Terry singing the high part of the duet. Another highlight from that night was Big Al performing a killer version of Hank Williams' "There's a Tear in My Beer". Great musical memories.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 15:40:03 CEST 2010 from (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Steve

No chance of me darkening your door this summer after all. My mother-in-law passed away earlier this month. So the drive through Quebec from Ontario plan got scrubbed. Instead I flew alone to NS for the burial of my aunt's cremains. I just got back to BC and now head back to Ontario for this second funeral. I don't have your email or I wouldn't be putting all this in the GB. Just didn't want to leave you hanging re: my looking you up. Another time perhaps. Best of luck with Kate's wedding. NB


Entered at Tue Jul 20 15:13:18 CEST 2010 from (76.68.80.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....for SM
:-D


Entered at Tue Jul 20 15:05:29 CEST 2010 from (76.68.80.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Marc Jacobs, Lorenzo Martone and Robbie Robertson


Entered at Tue Jul 20 14:59:49 CEST 2010 from (76.68.80.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Richard Manuel


Entered at Tue Jul 20 14:47:53 CEST 2010 from (76.68.80.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Fred Carter, Jr. dead at 76, played with Bob Dylan, but not on 'Lay, Lady, Lay'


Entered at Tue Jul 20 14:05:42 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Fred Carter

Thanks for the link, Joe. I hadn't sen that sad news. Fred Carter Jnr was a member of The Band briefly and appeared on hosts of great records. RIP.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 13:48:21 CEST 2010 from (196.7.230.230)

Posted by:

Nux Schwartz

Location: Durban South Africa
Web: My link

Subject: Ring Of Fire

Todd,this one is for you!


Entered at Tue Jul 20 12:56:16 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rock of Ages; Steve

Alexander Lee: welcome. I think it's a clever pun - it's a church hymn but also the Band's rock is timeless. Peter V or David P, or one of the many knowledgable people around here may know more...

Also: Steve - heartiest congratulations to your family! Could grandchildren be next?


Entered at Tue Jul 20 12:31:58 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.3)

Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, Joan. They've been together for 8 years, since they were 15.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 10:47:02 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: R.I.P. Fred Carter Jr.

http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/19/fred-carter-jr-dead/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl2|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theboot.com%2F2010%2F07%2F19%2Ffred-carter-jr-dead%2F


Entered at Tue Jul 20 09:51:01 CEST 2010 from (90.199.139.220)

Posted by:

Alexander Lees

Location: Scotland

Subject: Rock of ages

Hey Folks..anyone any idea for the title of one of my fave band albums..is there any significance to it??


Entered at Tue Jul 20 06:34:57 CEST 2010 from (69.182.87.208)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Big Al

David P. glad that you got to see NRBQ. One of my regrets is that I never saw them live. They were somewhat of a local band here in CT, and played a lot of gigs here in the 1970's and 80's. I had friends who would go and see them regularly, and I always figured that I'd see them sometime. Well, time slips away, and I coulda, shoulda, woulda, but it never happened.

I have seen Big Al a few times though, sitting in with local bar bands here in CT, and it was always a lot of fun to watch him tear it up. The Gibson Les Paul that he often played looked like a toy guitar in his hands. But none of those gigs seemed planned....they just sort of happened, but I'm glad that I got to at least see Big Al.

I always enjoyed the album 'NRBQ at Yankee Stadium' album which I've had on vinyl for many years. That album was actually recorded at Bearsville Studios. One of the nice things about the vinyl version is that it includes the great 'Ridin' In My Car', which was left off of future CD versions of the album.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 02:38:16 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Don't Call my name out yer window I'm leavin'

Both good picks Deb. I have writ them down. We're going to mess around with a bunch, and try and use what comes out best.........ok?


Entered at Tue Jul 20 00:43:40 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Then there was........oh.....the hell with it Lars

Calm down Lars.......gawd damn it......yer upsetting my tummy!

I'm directing this at Kevin John, but for anybody. Have you heard of the band, "The Council of Smokers & Drinkers"?????

From Alaska, google them up on Youtube, the Gawd Damnest job of "Into The Mystic"........Yikes! a shit hot drummer, some cool licks, and a singer that sounds a lot like Van. Blew me away.


Entered at Tue Jul 20 00:13:24 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Seven more minutes is noted.

Ooooo, I get so mad in here.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 23:04:53 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

joan

Subject: Lousy typing

Joanq???? That of course should have been Joan


Entered at Mon Jul 19 23:03:22 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joanq

Subject: Steve

Congratulations on your daughter's marriage. I wish for them a long and happy life together.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 23:02:53 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.182)

Posted by:

Steve

Hey, Lars, if the foo shits wear it. If it doesn't then take it like I take all your insults and just know it's coming from a source of complete ignorance concerning the issue. No hard feelings, or should that be no harder feelings?

Todd, thanks, man. I'm really looking forward to the day.

hey Lars, start keeping track of the time I spend ( or waste here)will ya. I went on line at 4:55 and it's now 5:02. Put me down for 7 minutes. See ya later


Entered at Mon Jul 19 22:50:14 CEST 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Norm, how about Waylon's "Belle of the Ball" or Johnny Cash's "Understand Your Man"?


Entered at Mon Jul 19 22:37:20 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Kevin: I once read an interview with Ry Cooder in which he said he grew up listening to a lot of Folkways records. In particular, it's evident that he was a fan of the New Lost City Ramblers, as they recorded versions of "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times...", "Taxes On The Farmer Feeds Us All", "Crow Black Chicken" and "How Can You Keep Moving (Unless You Migrate Too)", all of which Mr. Cooder later covered.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 22:21:07 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: A Blessed Event

Steve, I don't blame you for thinking I'm hard, but I only bring certain things up because I know you can take it. You know I want what's best for you and your family. So here's a little fatherly advice for when you walk your daughter down the aisle. When you get to where the bride groom is, stop walking. As you let Kate go, it's nice to lift her veil and give her a kiss on the cheek.

Then sit down before you screw things up. Whaddaya wanna bet you'll TRIP on the way, you lame-ass good for nothing rock farmer. And by the way, don't you EVER come across with that rascist bullshit about calling me "Marse," you smart-ass FAILURE OF A HUMAN BEING!!!


Entered at Mon Jul 19 22:21:17 CEST 2010 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim

Web: My link

Subject: Elliott Landy featured in "Forward Thinking Museum's" exhibit.

Features his infrared work.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 22:03:17 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Talk of Ry Cooder reminded me of above link to Bruce Springsteen....and also why - even with the fan base he has acquired over the years - he remains quite the artist.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 20:24:46 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

JQ: Ry Cooder also covered "Don't Take Your Guns To Town", but his version of "Get Rhythm" really rocks.

Todd: Al Anderson used to tear it up on the Tele & vocals with NRBQ on "Get Rhythm" when I saw them several times live.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 19:29:38 CEST 2010 from (76.11.238.206)

Posted by:

donalore

Location: reservation

Subject: i am cherokee oysio

hi i am cherokee donalore , i am singer and dancer. my grandfather chief lemuel. wa do- yeho se- la- te- oni.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 19:28:26 CEST 2010 from (69.182.87.208)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Steve, congratulations on your daughter's upcoming nuptials.

JQ, 'Get Rhythm' is another great tune. I'm not very familiar with Ry Cooder's version, but I enjoy the one that NRBQ did some years ago.

One of Johnny Cash's most famous songs is 'Ring of Fire'. I have mixed feeling about this one. About 1/2 the time I like it and consider it to be a classic. Other times I wonder if I really don't like the production with it's distinctive horns. At times the horns really seem to fit, but at other times they almost have a novelty or kitschy quality to them. I guess it depends upon my mood.

But knowing the origins of the song, makes me associate it it more with June than with Johnny.....even when he's singing it.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 19:16:06 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.132)

Posted by:

Steve

I love the way our brains connect us musically. There's very little that gets recommended or mentioned here that I've listened to and didn't feel the neurons doing what neurons do when they're being stimulated in a pleasant way.

Yesterday as we were in full swing preparing for our annual American invasion ( Marge's family)with the added bonus of my family this year since we're squeezing in our daughter, Katie's, wedding while everyone is here, I started thinking what kind of music I could add to my play list for Friday night, stuff that's easy musically for the younger players that might not know the songs.

Johnny Cash was my choice. I did a quick review of the lyrics to Folsom Prison Blues and I Walk The Line.

Lo and Behold, I fire up the PC this morning and Norm's doing a tribute album to, The Man in Black, and Todd's calling for I Walk The Line.

Lunch is over and I gotta get my ass back to the field before Massa Lars notices I've slipped away from the field. He's a bad man.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 19:15:23 CEST 2010 from (67.42.3.239)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Get Rhythm

I'd put this one on top too; it might just be the happiest & most optimistic song I've ever heard. There's loads of covers out there and, in that group, I'd take Ry Cooder's.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 18:40:31 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Lacey J Dalton

On the subject of song writing. Some of the most profound lyric on this subject come from Lacey J Dalton's, "16th Avenue." Any one who has never listened to it should..........Here you are.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 18:38:02 CEST 2010 from (74.14.106.2)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: and I liked him on Columbo too...........

"Johnny was and is the North Star; you could guide your ship by him. The greatest of the greats - then and now" - Bob Dylan

I was fortunate to have a great father.......the only knock on him - from my perspective as a child - was that he was not musical (my mother was but he wasn't) so he just didn't quite get the Bowie, Faces, Led Zep and Bob Dylan, etc. blaring from my room........the one guy that he did really like was Johnny Cash......and unlike most of the "favourites" of my friend's parents ( a wide range of horror show acts that all seemed to have bouffant hair, fake smiles and terrible cloths )...... even as a child, I instantly recognized that Johnny Cash was the real deal. The fact that my Dad liked him put it over the top for me but he really was something special.......................And the video he did for "Hurt" is hands down the best promo video ever made for a song.....


Entered at Mon Jul 19 18:21:17 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

NORM- I guess the studio is a safe place for you to be, kinda like a stage was a good place for Rick. Do yourself a favor and don't pay any ascap fees on this one; nobody bothers the little guy on that stuff.

STEVE- Don't feel good enough to work again? By God, Marge must be sick of seeing you sit around. Don't you have any pride? GET your sorry ass out there and put in a day's work and you'll be amazed at how good you feel.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 16:59:15 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OH! ..............AND

Maybe you didn't notice David, I had picked Nashville Rebel. That is the first piece of vinyl of Waylon's I ever owned, (and still have it).

Thank you Todd. I'm in full agreement. The important thing also, that I didn't elaborate on. That song was the defining Johnny Cash sound, is what he said. That boom chicka sound of the driving wheels of a train, and Luther Perkins steady bass string rythmn became the Johnny Cash signature.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 16:50:16 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Too Many Honky Tonk Heroes

David, I'm with you on your picks. My only doubt is, there are so gawd damn many, it could end up being one helluva long album. I'm exploring the idea of putting it on vinyl.

Get Rythmn is great, and Folsom Prison, is one of my favourites also, but I'm trying to think of ones that are memories not often heard any more. Tenessee Flat Top Box for one.

Good Hearted Woman, I played so much on stage, kind of got tired of it. I like, Only Daddy. Do you remember, It's High Time you Quit Your Lowdown Ways?? One of my all time favourites of Waylons, and another BJ Shaver, My Heroes Have Always been cowboys.

While messing around here, that side bar that comes up on Youtube, with "suggested songs" to play, just showed me something I didn't know. Terry Stafford, who wrote "Suspition", also wrote, "Amarillo By Morning". I'll be gawd damn........I didn't know that.

STEVE! You stick to what you're good at.....shovelling cow shit, and picking up stones.......which reminds me of a Randy Travis song........"Diggin' up Bones"


Entered at Mon Jul 19 16:47:58 CEST 2010 from (69.182.87.208)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Westcoaster Cash

Hey Norm, I'll put in a vote for 'I Walk The Line'. It's a deceptively simple sounding song, but I think it runs pretty deep. It's a love song, but there's an undercurrent of darkness there. I can't imagine a Johnny Cash project without it. In my opinion, the opening line of the song is one of the best ever.

"I keep a close watch on this heart of mine"

Good luck!


Entered at Mon Jul 19 16:27:48 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die

Just a few suggestions -- Two of my favorite Johnny Cash songs are "Folsom Prison Blues" and "Get Rhythm".

As for Waylon, there's the Willie Nelson collaboration, "Good Hearted Woman", and his definitive covers of Billy Joe Shaver's "Honky Tonk Heroes" and Steve Young's "Lonesome On'ry and Mean". And then there's his early hit, "Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line", and the more obscure "Nashville Rebel", which featured Fred Carter, Jr. on lead guitar.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 16:23:05 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.103)

Posted by:

Steve

Norm, if you need to be convinced I can send you the a capella, falsetto, rendition of Lars doing, Whispering Pines.

Lars, I'm in your corner on this one. Of course, if Norm wants to hog the mike there's not much we can do but hope he recognizes an innovative idea when it bites him in the ass.

Someone at CBC radio has a weakness for The Band. They're running a summer program about divorce called, Asunder. Last week's episode was introduced with, The Shape I'm in. Today's program had, Life Is A Carnival, woven into it at appropriate spots.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 15:32:34 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.75)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Plundered My Soul...The Rolling Stones with MICK TAYLOR.

"During those years the Stones recorded Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile On Main Street, Goat’s Head Soup and It’s Only Rock ‘n’ Roll — arguably their finest albums. After Taylor – a stone Gibson Les Paul Standard man — left this group due to what he felt was a lack of respect and credit for his work, The New York Times’ chief pop critic Robert Palmer wrote that he was “the most accomplished technician who ever served as a Stone” and called him “a blues guitarist with a jazzman’s flair for melodic invention.”


Entered at Mon Jul 19 15:27:06 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.75)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Exclusive Interview: Legendary Engineer Andy Johns Talks Exile on Main Street

What can you say about the interplay between Mick Taylor and Keith Richards?

Mick would play the top lines. Keith would write the songs most of the time, Mick [Jagger] would come up with the lyrics and melody and Mick Taylor would just play around whatever they came up with. There was a little bit of tension from time to time. I remember once, Keith said, “You play too f***ing loud. I can’t work with you in the room right now,” which is a great line coming from Keith. That was just band politics that evening. The thing that astonished me about Mick Taylor is that he would come up with something different every take and it was usually just faultless. Intonation on slide can be a little tough, but he would jump two, three octaves and the note was always spot on and his vibrato was excellent. I had a very joyous time listening to him. Mick had the technique of having a bottleneck on his little finger and then he would play chords with the other three fingers. He would play live on everything—he didn’t do overdubs. He would play exceptionally well on every take. And Keith, well he came up with those magical rhythm parts that the songs were based upon.

The telecasted interviews from the Glimmer Twins sounded like Mick Taylor wasn't even there during the recording of EOMS.....I really miss his playing....especially when he played solos as in "Time Waits For No One". I saw him solo at a place called Heaven in The Bay Centre at Bloor/Yonge? I can't remember the show as it was during the '80's....I think....lol but he was my favourite Stones member because he is a musician's musician and he appeared very mysterious because of his demenaor on stage but....apparently he argued about musical direction with the Twins all the time.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 15:09:31 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.75)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Rolling Stone who's stony broke:
Why Mick Taylor lives in a rundown Suffolk semi with a shabby car


Entered at Mon Jul 19 15:07:15 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Project

Peter; Thank you for your input. I agree with most of your thoughts on this.

For the Johnny Cash material, Sunday Mornin Comin Down, Big River, I Still Miss Someone, Give My Love to Rose, Long Black Veil,........maybe I Walk the Line....by the way.

I don't know if anyone has ever heard this story. Many years ago, I watched Johnny on a talk show with Ralph Emory. When "I walk the line" was released, Johnny said he was driving along in his car. It came on the radio. He said he hated it so much, he drove right to the radio station, and told the guy, (I can't remember who it was). "Quit playing that, I hate it". The guy yells at him, "Are you crazy? I can't quit, it's a hit!"

I'm going to think more on the rest. Of the Waylon hits I've always played, Ladies Love Outlaws is for sure, Rainy Day Woman, Nashville Rebel, Ramblin Man, and although Don Williams had the bigger hit, Waylon also did Amanda very well.

Almost 28 years ago now, when my daughter Amanda was born. The night before, I was playing in the Garden Bay Pub. The place was packed, and every one knew my wife was in the hospital in labour. Every time the phone rang every one got quiet and listened for what Ron the owner would say. He just kept yelling "NO!" Amanda wa born at 1:00 pm the next day. For some strange reason, I really felt it was going to be a girl, and as every one alwasy asked me to sing that song, it was very comfortable to name her that, then there is that old stones song, "Miss Amanda Jones".

I am going to keep tinkering with this lineup of songs. The good part is that Fast Eddy, my brother and many of the really good players I have the good fortune to know will want to have a hand in this. I'll probably have to have a track of David Powell in here some where.

Although he is "SO" enthusiastic, I just can't see Steve! being a part of this. I'm really, really sorry guys.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 15:04:32 CEST 2010 from (76.68.81.75)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Walking The Road With Randolph (musician who will be on Robbie's next recording)

“Robbie Robertson has a room up there at the Village,” Randolph said. “And the owner of the studio said, ‘Hey man. Let me tell you something. Robbie Robertson wants to meet you and hang out in the studio session, and that guy never wants to talk to anybody in the studio. He just keeps to himself. But he heard what you guys were doing and he wants to hang with you for the next couple of days.’


Entered at Mon Jul 19 12:55:26 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.66)

Posted by:

Steve

Norm, if you're doing songs that he covered, as well as songs that he wrote, Jackson, with Lars doing June's part, wouldn't be out of place in our more gay friendly society.

Actually, why not a complete remake of their 2006 release, Duets. I can already hear you guys doing, Help Me Make It Through The Night, One Way Rider and The Loving Gift. This might even have some commercial value. Pretty anything goes these days and I'm not aware of this market being tapped by anyone yet. Hell, I'll even produce it. I've got some ideas already. Long-Legged Guitar Pickin Man, would be my choice to open the album. What do you think? I'm open to suggestions.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 08:09:55 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Man in Black

Johnny Cash … great idea, Norm. I was thinking. Those later American series of albums are mainly covers, and a tribute is odd if it’s mainly covering stuff in the way someone else covered it. Then again, a lot of his most famous stuff was composed by other people. All the stuff that jumped straight in my mind was early, popular and often done. I Walk the Line and Ring of Fire came first, plus I Still Miss Someone which is there anyway. I love his version of The Ballad of Ira Hayes. Also Ghost Riders in The Sky? (Judy Collins just covered it on her new one too).

One I dislike is Don’t Take Your Guns to Town, which we got on Columbia’s Country Classics series “Americana” years ago, and my sons insisted it was played to death in the car, and I hated it. It's one of his own too.

Stuff like A Boy Named Sue and San Quentin are hard to do without doing an imitation rather than a cover. And the funny stuff like A Boy Named Sue and One Piece At A Time might be hard to fit.

Long Black Veil, though a cover too, is probably essential.

Put me down for a copy whatever.


Entered at Mon Jul 19 01:52:52 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

CNN headline, "You just lived through the warmest June in recorded history."

....and July is no bargain, so far. Soooo, since it's too hot to attack Steve, I hope Levon, Garth and Robbie fare well this summer. And may all the Band fans find a cool breeze when they need it most.


Entered at Sun Jul 18 19:12:16 CEST 2010 from (68.171.231.17)

Posted by:

David P

Ray, I enjoyed your wonderful heartfelt review from the Heartland. It's always a joy to read someone expressing their passion for the music.


Entered at Sun Jul 18 18:23:35 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down

Feeling a little mellow this morning over some personal stuff.........so I got to watching some Johnny Cash on youtube. This video I've put up here on Youtube is one of Johnny Cash most superb songs. It was done by so many people on his passing, as a tribute. It just says, how could you not like Johnny Cash.

It has put me into a desicion of something I've been thinking about for a long while. So while I am still able, I am going to do a tribute album of the most memorable songs of Johnny Cash & Waylon Jennings. And no it won't take 23 years Steve so F-you - see - Kay.....youtube!

Give me your ideas of the most memorable songs....as y'all see them. "I Still Miss Someone", just puts a lump in my throat when I think about Johnny & Waylon.


Entered at Sun Jul 18 16:17:12 CEST 2010 from (76.66.25.118)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth Hudson, Cloud and Ruby


Entered at Sun Jul 18 16:15:35 CEST 2010 from (76.66.25.118)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sneaky' Pete Kleinow & Garth Hudson


Entered at Sun Jul 18 16:04:25 CEST 2010 from (76.66.25.118)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

RONNIE HAWKINS ALL-STAR JAM
THURSDAY AUGUST 12th, 2010
GRAND BEND MOTORPLEX

Featuring
Garth Hudson (of "The Band") and wife Maud
Colin Linden
The Sadies
B.W. Pawley & Plum Loco
and more...


Entered at Sun Jul 18 15:52:15 CEST 2010 from (76.66.25.118)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Drugs featuring Garth Hudson
by Billy the Kid Pettinger
produced by Raine Maida
Duration: 2m 54s


Entered at Sun Jul 18 01:15:33 CEST 2010 from (82.40.116.193)

Posted by:

Jim McAllister

Location: Scotland

Subject: The Band

What can you say ? The Band were the greatest rock 'n' roll band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Jul 17 21:24:15 CEST 2010 from (24.124.127.154)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland
Web: My link

Subject: Levon Helm Band followup

Thanks to all of you for your kind words about my words on Levon.

Some of you are my Facebook friends and I've posted a few concert photos.

This current message has a link to a good local story about the show. Enjoy.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 20:46:08 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: The Band & LH Band

RAY- Thank you for your insights on the LH Band and their latest show over in your neck of the woods; that was a well-written review. Levon's health is a part of the show that everyone is concerned with and it's good to hear he's still grining.

PAT- I read that the Dixie Walker HR & catch happened in 1946, so it's not that far removed from our own experiences (ouch). One note as I look back on the GB ramblings, the NY Yankees have three ball players (Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, and Jorge Posada) who have always been on the Yankees and have played together for 14 years, this being the 15th straight year. No threesome has ever come up and played together this long in the history of major league baseball.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 19:59:14 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ray

Great review!


Entered at Sat Jul 17 18:04:56 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ray, very insightful and beautiful.

Lars, I had some older member of the extended family tell me the Dixie Walker story a long time ago. He made it sound like he was there but I was young and didn't ask many questions. Dixie was an interesting guy who got caught up in the Jackie Robinson story.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 17:09:16 CEST 2010 from (76.66.124.4)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Shakin' All Over: A History of Canadian Rock and Roll
Country Available: Canada


Entered at Sat Jul 17 17:03:01 CEST 2010 from (76.66.124.4)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

DVD Review: Pow Wow Trail
Episode 7: Pow Wow Rock (Robbie Robertson)


Entered at Sat Jul 17 16:48:25 CEST 2010 from (76.66.124.4)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My interview w/ Robbie Robertson-Mohawk Rock Legend
Robbie Robertson: An interview with a Rock and Roll Legend
By Tara Weber Pretends Eagle
10/28/2006
Native American Times

Thanks for your review Ray...thoughtful as always.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 16:42:33 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.230)

Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, the word coming from some members of Lance's team, the US Postal racing team, is that in the early days they were selling bikes that belonged to the team ( postal property) to pay for the steroids they were using. Now that's kinda dopey, you don't want to get caught stealing and selling US federal property.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 15:36:56 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Levon and Lissy...and James and Carole

Ray: I think your review below is one of the best pieces of music writing I've read in a long time. It brought back the power of the Levon Helm Band the last time I saw them here in Old Virginny (from the front row thanks to another GB friend from the DC area).

There's a smart, talented young woman from DC named Lissy Rosemont who just released a new CD called "Jelly Roll" featuring members of the Levon Helm Band. The title track is available on YouTube under the Junior League Band (that's what Ms. Rosemont calls her group, though the lineup changes pretty often). That songs seems like an offspring of "Rag Mama Rag," so check it out if you have a chance.

Yes, Peter, I really enjoyed the James Taylor and Carole King CD/DVD of their Troubadour reunion at the famous Los Angeles club, and the way they somehow managed to transport that same intimate feel to their current tour.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 15:15:59 CEST 2010 from (59.101.57.143)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Joan; Peter V; Steve; Neil Peart; Bob W...

Joan (and Peter V.): I don't mind people believing, but surely you'd get more spiritual fulfillment playing music...

Steve: the only I know of Lance Armstrong is that he was a cancer survivor and a dope user. Except he's not a dope user?

Neil Peart is a fantastic drummer... different to Levon of course... but man, .. can he play ...

bob: didn't know you were a drummer...


Entered at Sat Jul 17 13:57:41 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Great review, Ray.

Thank you too for the recommendation of Carole King / James Taylor "Live at the Troubadour" recently (Charlie?). I got the CD / DVD set yesterday, and unusually started out and watched the DVD first in DTS. Fabulous set.


Entered at Sat Jul 17 05:41:08 CEST 2010 from (24.124.127.154)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence Kansas

Subject: some reflections on Levon Helm Band's visit to Kansas City, July 5 2010

The LHB rocked and rolled out of the gate at Crossroads in Kansas City, Missouri. Opening with a double barreled shot of The Band’s “Ophelia” and “Shape I’m In” was a wise, unexpected, deeply satisfying choice by the musicians. Since the musicians we are discussing are some of the best in the US playing some of the best music in the US, the wisdom of the choice needs little explanation.

I was surprised by the 12-musician band’s force and volume. In no way did LHB play at ear-punishing levels, but the sound of this large ensemble taking Ophelia and SII at full throttle startled and delighted. Levon barked out his vocals on “O,” making everyone hear the immense physical effort it must often take for him to sing, but hear it no more than his levitating joy. One of LH’s unique qualities is the combination of stern, look-here resolve on one hand and the satyr’s leer on the other, both guises in his voice. No American voice rings out or rasps quite like LH’s.

Being served up a banquet of vintage Band songs was the undisputed apex of the night. Complementing and completing the titanic opening team of O and SII were Look out Cleveland, It makes no Difference, The Weight, Chest Fever, with covers of songs that Bob Dylan would probably have not written had he not known the Band: I shall be Released, Blind Willie McTell. The LHM brings the astonishing emotional range of all these songs to the forefront—not in the same way the Band did, but effectively for the most part. Even when I was unsure about whether I liked an arrangement or a musician’s part in it, something else about the performance would overwhelm any doubts. Pacing of the show was calculated to appeal to a variety of audiences and, I’m sure, to be respectful of LH’s health.

Since I mention LH’s health here several times, I want to say that my motivation is partly selfish. Having some experience with chronic illness (psoriatic arthritis), I know how much certain conditions can test the body. I also know how resilient our bodies can be. So I am not inspired by LH because that would mean taking him out of the here and now. He strikes me as one the more rooted and centered persons I’ve ever observed. I could be wrong but I doubt I am. What I have for LH is admiration at its most sincere. He is standing up to tremendous levels of pain and fatigue and performing triumphantly. You could see that in the way he appeared on stage to take his seat behind the drums, waving his arms in sweeping circles of “Hello!” to the crowd. Even though he was standing in the shadows he cut a piece of the darkness out for himself with those gestures.



Entered at Sat Jul 17 02:29:38 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Blue Drag

Happy Friday. Start your weekend right. Link is to the Wiyo's 'Blue Drag'. That's OK. You're kindly welcome. Well, you could stand to the next round.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 20:44:22 CEST 2010 from (76.69.86.238)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Carlos and Jorge Santana Guajira live


Entered at Fri Jul 16 19:59:41 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

"SUAVECITO"


Entered at Fri Jul 16 19:50:40 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

What's amazing is that this guy somehow felt selling time shares a more worthy profession … well, than anything, actually. I'd think Mitch Miller was good company, most of those old showbiz types were.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 19:00:07 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Roy Murray

He was a hornplayer


Entered at Fri Jul 16 18:36:38 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Brush with Greatness Not!

When were in Key West a few years ago, a guy comes up to us "hawking" info about buying s time share. We weren't interested,, but we got to talking. He said he used to be in a rock band, but now he "found Jesus" and he was clean, sober and selling time shares. He said he was with a band that was led by Carlos Santana's brother. I said Malo, Jorge Santana's group"? He was surprised I knew, When I got home I looked him up. He played bass, I think his name was Roy..

Definitely not earth shattering, but aside from sitting at the same table at a wedding with Mitch Miller, it's all I got.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:52:26 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Thank you for that information on Mandala............I recall asking you a few years back after seeing that special on Canadian music if there was anything that you recommended from that Yonge Street period...so this is exciting and I will purchase it..........thinking of Troiano...a friend was telling me about a couple of jazz guys who have passed in the last few years.......neither had any money at the end....living in rented apartments.......no vehicles or expensive paintings....what they did have was some guitars that had really appreciated in value........made me feel good in a way that the instruments stayed with them to the end but sad that some schmucky good for nothing niece or nephew probably ended up $10,000-$50,000 to the good for just cleaning out the apartments.......


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:37:48 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.128)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

_Whispering Pines_

Chance Meetings:
Borje Salming
Bruce Cockburn
David Johansen
Pentii Glan


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:35:24 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.128)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:22:06 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.128)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Massey Hall By The Decade: 1964 – 1973


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:14:30 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.26)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, then there's Satchel Page.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:12:19 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.26)

Posted by:

Steve

Good thing I didn't mention,"shooting a hole in one", in the same sentence as, playing a round with golfers. You Brits!

I'm listening to an interview Jian's doing with Stompin Tom at the moment. What a true Canadian icon. Some Tom facts; When he got his first record deal he already had several hundred songs he'd written and been performing as a hitchhiking, touring act. He's recorded 50 albums.

When he made his first coast to coast tour, he and his two band mates had 67 cents in their pockets when they got back to the east coast.

On his first trip through northern Saskatchewan, in a small town north of North Battleford, some of the local guys showed up in their" wrasselin trunks" to wrassel Tom. Because of his name on the posters they thought he was a touring wrassler.

At 74 he's cut his touring schedule to just 2 months in the summer mostly because as a chain smoker he finds it too much of a hassle to eat in restaurants and stay in hotels.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:10:37 CEST 2010 from (188.110.12.41)

Posted by:

bucle

Web: My link

Subject: bucle

nice!


Entered at Fri Jul 16 17:01:50 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

I think it is far harder in sports to be consistently good for a decade than it is to be great for 3-4 years, which is why you have surprise names for top scorer or 2nd top scorer of any particular decade. It is pretty difficult to sustain major league caliber performance, even in the mid-range, as well as avoid getting injured and missing time on the disabled list.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 16:58:06 CEST 2010 from (76.66.24.128)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HEARTBREAK TRAIL
A CANADIAN AMERICANA JOURNAL
Levon Helm at Massey Hall, June 29/10


Entered at Fri Jul 16 16:42:54 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Further to the discussion of an underappreciated name in baseball..............if you ever find yourself wanting to stump a hockey person on a trivia question.......ask them who the NHL's 2nd leading scorer was in the 1980's...........the leading scorer everyone knows was Wayne Gretzky.......the second leading scorer was......Peter Stasny....few will believe you but it is true....

Rented the Rush documentary "Beyond the Lighted Stage" a few nights ago..............Never have been a fan, don't own a single bit of their music....but thoroughly enjoyed this dvd and would highly recommend it.....the story of an amazing career really.......For bob w and other drummers out there...a lot of focus on Neil Peart.....widely considered the best drummer in his genre........if anyone has seen "The Story of Anvil" another highly recommended rock documentary ( short listed for an Oscar last year ) the assorted heavy metal guys led by that motor-mouth drummer from Metallica go gaga over Peart......more telling was Charlie Watts....when the Stones flew in to Toronto a few years ago to do SARS Fest....he was asked if he was excited to see any other other bands or performers.......his reply was "Only Rush...because I want to watch Neil Peart play"


Entered at Fri Jul 16 15:43:56 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Why is Steve playing around with gophers?


Entered at Fri Jul 16 13:51:07 CEST 2010 from (193.60.130.206)

Posted by:

Roger

Subject: In the club

Steve, be careful playing around with golfers.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 13:39:15 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.252)

Posted by:

Steve

The news story this morning about Lance Armstrong being accused by Floyd Landis of selling US postal property to buy drugs early in his career may finally take down the all time Tour De France Champ and got me wondering about the ever expanding list of champion cheaters.

Floyd, Marion Jones, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clements, Tiger Woods, Ben Johnson, Flo Jo, Carl Lewis, Jose Canseco, The entire Chinese women's olympic swim team in the 90's, Irish swimmer Michelle Smith and every serious golfer I've ever played a round with.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 13:33:38 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Hits

I'm tempted to say Sinatra or perhaps one of the big bands - but it is an outside chance


Entered at Fri Jul 16 09:51:44 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hits of the Fifties

Charlie, I’m sure you’re right on Elvis having most hits in the fifties, but there is an outside chance someone else had more hits. Joel Whitburn’s US chart records start at 1955 with Elvis first, Pat Boone second, and Perry Como third a long way behind the other two. But as Elvis and Pat weren’t recording in the first half of the decade, there might just be an outside runner.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 06:39:26 CEST 2010 from (75.75.20.70)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

That's very cool about Randy. Wonder if I have run across his alias.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 00:42:15 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: baseball question

Yessir, Pat...you are right on the money...as always.


Entered at Fri Jul 16 00:00:23 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Most hits in the 1950s? Easy. Elvis Presley. Seriously, who was it?

Bill: Chuck Levin's has been a musical instrument store in Wheaton, Maryland (just outside DC) for over half a century. I'll have to ask my friend (whose name is also Bill) if they bought anything.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 23:14:42 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Lars, Dixie Walker. As I recall, the ball stuck on something and when he took the field after the inning, he caught it when it fell. "The People's Cherce."


Entered at Thu Jul 15 23:06:01 CEST 2010 from (204.138.58.96)

Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: It pales in comparison to selling records to Richard and Garth, but I did stand next to Bruce Cockburn in a Becker's Milk store in the early '80s. Musta run out of rocket launchers.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 22:43:12 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: baseball....with a Band connection

Who caught his own home run?

Of all the baseball trivia experts I've met, Randy Ciarlante is the most knowlegable. He knows uniform numbers through decades of players; he knows who was on deck whenever something important happened; he knows the contract amounts that today's players are receiving. He uses an alias in baseball trivia websites and he has a following from New York Yankee fans.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 20:00:27 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Top 3 in the '50s

As a child, I saw Richie Ashburn play in the first MLB game I attended, at the old Connie Mac Stadium in Philly. I also saw Nellie Fox play against the Yankees in the first game I saw at old Yankee Stadium in 1961. Got to see Stan Musial play in an exhibition game at Ponce de Leon ballpark in Atlanta against the Crackers, the St. Louis AAA farm club at the time.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 19:39:36 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Tull, David, hard to believe when you think about the great hitters that played in that decade. And it took him until 1995 and a vote by the Veterans Committee to be elected into the Hall of Fame.

By all accounts he was one hell of a centerfielder as well. And one of the funniest people you could ever meet. He had an amazing career and a great run after that as a local broadcaster.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 19:25:28 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, Rick signed a solo deal while still a member of The Band because he said he wasn't busy enough. Robbie had nothing to do with it.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 19:22:18 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.113)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, I don't know the answer but I'm sure it's not Yogi. The segment of Burn's Baseball we watched last night had a 10 minute focus on Yogi and that was not one of his incredible stats.

Yogi, would be the answer to the question; Who was Stengel referring to when he said," I never play without my man?"

Funniest Yogi quote from the film and probably really one of his own was his response to the Mayor's wife when she said he looked cool in the clothes he was wearing and he replied, you don't look so hot yourself. Now that's priceless.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 18:34:49 CEST 2010 from (69.177.231.184)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Baseball

This is a wild guess on my part, but could it be Yogi Berra who had the most hits?


Entered at Thu Jul 15 18:23:19 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

bob: I'm guessing that it's not Stan Musial, but rather a certain former star of the Philadelphia Phillies.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 18:23:18 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Wow Bob, I never would have guessed. I cheated and looked it up but won't post it and spoil it for others.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 17:53:17 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Baseball

JTull, a bit of 1950's baseball trivia. Which player had the most hits in that decade? The answer is usually a surprise to fans of that era.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 16:47:13 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Free Agent in Hollywood

At the time of The Last Waltz, Robbie was very vocal about being burned-out with the music business, particularly touring. As a camera focal point in TLW, and through his personal relationship with Martin Scorsese, he began receiving offers to do film projects. Although he more than likely received offers from record labels at the time, he chose to concentrate on working in film.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 14:58:26 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Steve, those were in my opinion the glory years of baseball, but of course only until 1964. You can take a guess why. The game has always had its' ups and downs and characters. It is a very human game of good characters and bad and a bunch of crazies in between. I just don't think you see as wide a social range in other sports as you do in baseball. Nothing to me beats old video of Billy Martin kicking sand on an umpire's shoes. I could go on and on, and I often do on various baseball forums I belong to. When I disappear from here for a month or so, that's where to find me."/n" There is wonderful site I will link here with various subforums, my favorite of which is ballparks and stadiums' where you can (I practically have) spent days looking at old photos of old Yankee Stadium, Ebbets Filed and the Polo Grounds among others. Here you will find the Peter Vineys of the baseball world who know their history of the game and the parks like Peter knows an obscure B-side from 1966. Click on the link if you dare, because if you do we will never see you again.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 13:19:27 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.67)

Posted by:

Steve

The cool thing about baseball back in the 50's and 60's, like in the rest of society, paranoia and fear hadn't yet gripped the US. The need for control of the population at public events wasn't yet paramount.

When Thompson hits the pennant winning home run, before he's rounded second fans in the hundreds are pouring onto the field. They're part of the game.

All kinds of infractions of the rules are tolerated in the excitement of the moment. As Thompson is headed for second, the first base coach( at least that's who I think it was) runs across the infield headed for third base.

As Thompson rounds third the two coaches are hugging and jumping up and down on the inside of third base on the playing field forcing Thompson to run around them through the coaches box.

Baseball's characters were still tolerated and allowed to add flavour to the game. What a priceless sight to see Casey Stengel arguing with the umpire then pretend to faint and fall on the ground only to open one eye and see the umpire on the ground beside him calling Stengel's bluff. Ah, the good old days, when it was still a game.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 11:55:36 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.53)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, Please don't hold me responsible for Lar's comment about your faltering memory. Personally, I've seen no sign of it.

Coincidentally, after your confession about The Yankees, I watched the episode of Burn's Baseball Doc about NY's ball clubs in the 50's and 60's.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 10:05:12 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Close Encounters with Rock Stars

I’ve come across Liam Gallagher three times. The first was in New Bond Street when this guy reeled out of DKNY and bumped into me. I just thought ill-mannered yob, but my son told me it was Liam. We went into the store and my son said, ‘Is that Liam Gallagher?’ The assistant said it was and he was the nastiest customer they ever had in there and you wouldn’t want to try any clothes on after he had.

Then only a few weeks later we were in Majorca, on the beach at Formentor. The local newspaper was full of stuff about Liam Gallagher renting a villa there. My wife was reading Girl in a Coma by Douglas Coupland. On one page he lists icons of the twentieth century, and one was Liam Gallagher. Just as she read it, she looked up and there he was staggering along the beach with two minders, reeking of beer and very stale urine (the classic wino smell). As he passed us he “gobbed” on the sand, missing her foot by inches. I looked at the minders and decided it was best ignored. A couple of years later we went to a talk by Douglas Coupland on synchronicity, and told him the story afterwards, and had a long chat.

Then several years later, driving towards Sandbanks in Poole, there was an open top Porsche driving at two miles an hour along the centre of the road, the driver looking at houses. We flashed to get by and were given the finger … by Mr Gallagher.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 05:23:01 CEST 2010 from (75.75.20.70)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Charlie, my wife is a big Pumpkins fan and I called her over to read your post. That is very cool. Back in the late 80's I was working in top 40 radio and found myself sharing a sofa in,our reception area with Peter Noone, if that counts. Nice guy.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 03:15:57 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Close Encounters with Musicians

JTF: I just spoke to my daughter on the phone and she went to Richmond's Carytown neighborhood today for lunch with four of her new coworkers. They were eating at the old New York Deli when in walked the entire band, Smashing Pumpkins. After watching the band sit and eat their whole meal, one of the young women walked over and talked to them, even getting up the nerve to get a photo taken. They turned out to be nice guys and that's good to hear.

One of my best friends worked at Chuck Levin's music store in the DC area in the 1980s when Richard Manuel and Garth Hudson came in to look around one day. He was speechless but got to see two of his heroes up close while being paid for it! Has anyone here had chance encounters with musical legends like that?


Entered at Thu Jul 15 02:46:19 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island

Subject: Live 1966

Was listening to this one as I was running around this evening. It occured to me that it was notable for what wasn't there. No "Blowin In The Wind", "Masters of War", "Hard Rain", "The Times They are...", "Hollis Brown", "Hattie Carroll". In four years Bobby had reinvented himself and that was just the acoustic shit which didn't hold a candle to some electric shit with which he was experimenting.

Or experimenting with.

GBS has a new album. I'm not a big fan of this local band though I love them live (and love their trad album). You can find their cover of 'Gallow's Pole' on Youtube.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 02:35:01 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the beautiful farmlands of NY State

Subject: the usual

NORM- forgive me, but I think it's your turn to slam Steve. But in case my count is off, I'll just put in a short, tasteful one....

Steve, you ignorant Shlub. Why don't you stick to rock farming instead of making tasteless remarks to people who have forgotten more baseball than you'll ever know?

JAN: You forgot "sorry-ass."

No I didn't. Let me read it back...Mmmmm-m...you're right. Ahhh....do I have to? I mean, I don't feel like it now.

JAN: Double up next time.

Right.


Entered at Thu Jul 15 01:52:34 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.14)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, conversely, they have to pay the duds they sign for big bucks who don't help carry the load but are just along for the ride.

Yes, I realize that, Pat, but Robbie cut the ties that bind setting everyone free. Rick just happened to be the first one to get picked up as a free agent. Was he more in demand on the free market?


Entered at Wed Jul 14 22:53:54 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, one difference is that professional ballplayers who can last the 5 years or so to their arbitration years are financially set for life. Unlike the music industry, the baseball owners actually have to pay those who carry the load.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 22:49:51 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

And Robbie's solo debut was released a decade after Rick's.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 22:38:13 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, of the members of the Band, Rick signed the first solo record contract.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 22:32:59 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.225)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, as Seinfeld pointed out, at this point in pro sports you're cheering for the uniforms. The players are now just rentals, kinda like what The Band evolved into in the 90's.

I guess you could compare the 60's Yankees to the 60's Band and the modern pin Stripes to the 90's Band.

Actually the story lines are pretty close and maybe related.

December 75 the reserve clause in baseball is struck down and players get the right to move about at the end of their contracts. A couple of months later Robbie is on the move as well.

You got to figure this had to have piqued Robbie's interest. Robbie tests the free agent market and others eventually get brought in to fill out the lineup.

Yankee fans cheer the uniforms and Band fans cheer the songs.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 22:20:44 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Steinbrenner

Joan: Mr. Steinbrenner & a group of investors bought the Yankees from CBS. Years later, in a reverse turn of events, Atlanta's colorful Ted Turner, who at the time owned the Braves, Hawks, CNN & an outdoor adverstising company, made a unsuccessful attempt to takeover CBS. After that, in a complicated deal, he bought the film library of MGM/UA, which included the rights for "The Last Waltz".


Entered at Wed Jul 14 21:42:26 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Steinbrenner

I don't know, Joan, As much as I am fond of The Band, if given a choice between The Band and their music or The New York Yankees past, present, and future, sorry but I take the Yankees. They just mean more to me.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 20:06:57 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Location: I've seen fire and I've seen Fudge

Peter: Vanilla Fudge did get a good reaction from the audience, especially with their performance of their then-popular cover of "You Keep Me Hanging On". That said, the Jimi Hendrix Experience lived up to their name when they took over the stage that night in Atlanta. Hendrix set his guitar on fire, literally & figuratively.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 19:47:53 CEST 2010 from (74.108.27.233)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steinbreenner / Vanilla Fudge

I know Steinbrenner was a big deal but he wasn't THAT amazing.The local CBS outlet here did 50 minutes of a 60 minute broadcast to Steinbrenner between 5 and 6, and had a special 1/2 hour at 7PM. It seems a bit much to me.

Just hearing about Vanilla Fudge makes me cringe. The girls in the next room in my dorm played that thing at full volume for days. I still shudder when thinking about it. I mean that was how they got Noriega to surrender


Entered at Wed Jul 14 19:47:40 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Vanilla Fudge

Pat, drop into Barnes & Noble and read the review (p53). The reviewer says they were:

QUOTE “muscling their way onto the 1967 concert circuit like “The Sopranos” with instruments, swatting aside lesser bands, and, by all accounts making linguini of illustrious headliners such as Hendrix and The Who. Hyper intense players and vocalists all, simultaneously soloing, bellowing, twirling drumsticks and gesticulating with Shakesperean theatricality, they made Cream look like sallow wallflowers.”

He continues:

“The story goes that Led Zep were the first band to put the frighteners on the Fudge.”

I also never knew that “Some Velvet Morning” (from Near the Beginning) was #1 in Italy.

David: I assume the writer was indulging in poetic licence on Hendrix. In my experience, NO ONE blew Hendrix off any stage. I've seen The Who do a mediocre show, so that's possible. But back in the day, "You Keep Me Hanging On" sounded magnificent.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 19:47:06 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: That show sounds to me like a journey to the centre of your mind (at the time).

Pat B: Two things. One, are you saying that "He comes from the land of the ice and snow" is a reference to one of our Canuckistani guys? Santa Garth seems the most likely, but it's worth exploring. Two, given that Bolin took Troiano's place in the James Gang (with Troiano's Mandala-mate Roy Kenner staying in place), I wonder if Bolin and Stein swapped Troiano stories.

Kevin J: I forgot to mention last time that a browse through Paul Quarrington's posthumous "Cigar Box Banjo" yielded sightings of a page-long tale of the original Mandala onstage, complete with tantalising description of Domenic's playing at the time, and another page on recording an album with Daniel Lanois (as part of Joe Hall and the Continental Drift).


Entered at Wed Jul 14 19:25:22 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Soft Vanilla Nugent Haze

In the summer of 1968, I saw Vanilla Fudge, along with the Amboy Dukes and Soft Machine, open for Jimi Hendrix in Atlanta. That was a memorable evening of music!


Entered at Wed Jul 14 19:04:39 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: EASY RIDER Soundtrack...and Sir Paul in DC

That LP certainly had something for everyone. Too bad The Band version of "The Weight" wasn't there, just the one by Smith (remember that?). Roger McGuinn's tracks were good but there was some odd stuff there to say the least--and all the old ones supposedly from Peter Fonda's record collection. No wonder the recently deceased Dennis Hopper became a Republican and voted twice for George W. Bush.

Speaking of the former president, I just read some negative remarks about George W. Bush made by Sir Paul McCartney while being honored in Washington, DC recently have been edited from the upcoming PBS broadcast. I guess PBS doesn't want any more enemies among Republicans than they already have since many GOP elected officials would like to see PBS go away.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 18:47:31 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

This explains so much.

Vanilla Fudge was a truly great live band. Four lead singers who sang really well together, great musicians, dynamic stage show, and the understanding that they didn't write as well as interpret songs. I'm sure I've mentioned before that I saw VF headline a Kinetic Playground show that included openers Jethro Tull and middle act Led Zeppelin. The gig was referenced in Mick Wall's must-read "When Giants Walked The Earth", a superb bio of Led that mentions The Band a number of times. Hard to imagine a common point between the two groups but LZ was hugely impressed by MFBP. Mimicking the boys at Big Pink, Plant and Page retreated to a rustic cottage in Wales to write what became LZ 3.

In 1976 I ran into Mark Stein, VF's great organist and singer. He was in Chicago playing with Tommy Bolin's group and he was quite happy he had a good paying gig. About a week later I read that Bolin had overdosed and died--I think in Florida. My first thought was that Mark was out a gig which I know-given that someone had just died-is harsh.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 17:59:16 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Too late, David. I've already had my fun.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 17:54:13 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Correcting my spelling mistake: It's Tim Bogert.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 17:31:06 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: speaking of Bogart ...

I see that Tuli Kupferberg of the Fugs passed away recently. I guess it was the Holy Modal Rounders rather than the Fugs proper that shared the "Easy Rider" soundtrack with our guys, but still ...


Entered at Wed Jul 14 17:09:02 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Beck, Bogart & Appice

Vanilla Fudge's rhythm section of bassist Tim Bogart and drummer Carmine Appice also worked briefly with Jeff Beck, after a stint in Cactus. The power trio's eponymous 1973 album was a mixed bag and included a cover of Stevie Wonder's "Superstition".


Entered at Wed Jul 14 17:04:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Vanilla Fudge / Mandala

The word on the street here back in the day was that VF's hit reworking of "You Keep Me Hanging On" was borrowed from the Mandala. I have no idea, but it does make some sense, given that the Mandala often played New York and were something of a musician's band. Their fame even extended as far as Cleveland, which is why a newly Walsh-less James Gang hired Domenic Troiano and Roy Kenner to fill the void.

Kevin J: The link above says that Pacemaker has just reissued the Mandala album, which is worth picking up for any number of reasons, including the opportunity to hear the amazing Jimmy Livingston cut loose as guest vocalist for a bit of "Faith". As far as I know, Jimmy got to sing on just two releases, and in both cases had to share the mike - "Faith" by the Mandala and the a-side of the only record the Mynah Birds released in their lifetime (on which he out-sang Rick James - never an easy thing to do). He was the lead singer of the Merryweather group that went to LA - see post last week - but bailed before the albums were recorded.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 16:59:49 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.172)

Posted by:

Steve

Agreed, Dlew, George Steinbrenner was Vanilla Fudge.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:56:43 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Vanilla Fudge; George Steinbrenner

Peter V: best band - Vanilla Fudge - Worst Band - Van. Fudge - laughed at that one

Steinbrenner: only knew him trhough Mad Magazine and Seinfeld - but there was coverage here...


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:33:32 CEST 2010 from (76.66.26.230)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Steve Gladstone Photographs The Last Waltz


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:23:24 CEST 2010 from (76.66.26.230)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth Hudson Videos


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:20:28 CEST 2010 from (76.66.26.230)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie and Bill Gates


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:13:47 CEST 2010 from (76.66.26.230)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band


Entered at Wed Jul 14 15:06:16 CEST 2010 from (217.5.150.254)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Steinbrenner and Bob Sheppard

Charlie, it has been a sad week. The more I know about Bob Sheppard the more amazed I am with what a great person he was. I grew up with that voice and will never forget it.He was there when my dad save his first games in the early 50's, he was there when I was taken to my first game in 1980 and he was still there when I took my daughter to her first game in 2007. George Steinbrenner is a divisive character, but one who had an extremely soft and generous side that he purposely kept from public view. For all of his firings and verbal tirades, almost everyone employee they were directed at later got put back on payroll in one capacity or another, for life. He kept his charitable donations anonymous as he thought to do otherwise was to make the gift insincere. It is now surfacing that he sent possibly hundreds of disadvantaged kids through college and provided medial help to just as many, all anonymously. If he saw a news article that a police office was killed on duty, he would just make sure their children got all the assistance they needed. Truly an amazing side of someone who was often seen as a public tyrant.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 14:15:45 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.138)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I'm guessing the ballet warm up involved a lot of tough flexibility stuff. How easy can it be to stand on your toes for a few minutes if you weigh 340 lbs as opposed to 150lbs?

I don't think there's anything more insane or demanding than the NFL preseason camps where occasionally guys just drop dead from heat stroke.

As far as just out and out tough, it's hard to beat the image of hockey players returning to the bench after having taken a stick or puck in the mouth and watching the team trainer pulling out dangling teeth, sticking them in his pocket and then stitching up a gash in the face. Guys hate to go to the dressing room because it takes too long and they may miss a turn back on the ice.

Hey Pat, you going to have enough players left to ice a team next year? Is, No Not ME, going to be next to fly the coop?


Entered at Wed Jul 14 11:06:45 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shindig & Vanilla Fudge

I picked up my first copy of "Shindig" magazine which has been going a couple of years. Really excellent. Thought Pat B. might enjoy the long review of "Box of Fudge" (Barnes & Noble sell the mag in the USA). It begins:

A couple of friends of mine were idly playing an alphabet game once, in the course of which one asked ther other to name a great band beginning with the letter V. "Vanilla Fudge," he readily replied. He was then asked to name an awful band beginning with the letter "V". "Vanilla Fudge," he replied again. "Hmm, yeah, I know what you mean." mused the questioner.

It's a positive review, by the way, though he says that like a box of fudge, it can't all be consumed at one sitting. I think I'll get a copy.


Entered at Wed Jul 14 03:31:33 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Yankees Icons

It's interesting the New York Yankees have lost two of their all-time iconic figures this month. The death of George Steinbrenner today ends an era for the team and the sport. The death of the man who was the public address voice of the team for over half a century, Bob Shephard, marks the passing of an even longer era.

I got to see Don Baylor play for the Yankees when I lived in New York--along with the underappreciated Dave Winfield--and just learned Mr. Baylor is actually second on that hit-by-pitch list among MODERN players. His 267 HBP record is surpassed only by Craig Biggio, who took first base 285 times after being hit by a thrown ball. No ballet was involved.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 23:20:11 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Nutcracker

The legendary football star from Georgia, Herschel Walker, had ballet skills which he incorporated into his training routine to improve balance & flexibility.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 23:12:45 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

The Onion.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 23:00:08 CEST 2010 from (91.42.241.72)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: forward delete on imac keyboard

This post is only for Steve Jobs, all others please scroll by ( Apple users use; @$&-08 +cmd) I try to forward delete one of these two III

.... who needs a forward delete anyway if one can type around it and backspace.

I want a game Microsoft vs Apple with Nigel de Jong as Nigel the Jong on Steve Jobs as Xabi Alonso, that shout google a BIG forward delete button on all Apples, clear Jobs?!


Entered at Tue Jul 13 22:18:26 CEST 2010 from (91.42.241.72)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Mavis Staples song

Jon Lyness, that's indeed BEAUTIFUL! thanks.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 21:09:09 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Ty Cobb ...

Charlie Y: Although the trophy given in his name in no way recognises what he was most famous for (i.e., his flying feet), I think it would be a nice inter-sports - and even inter-national - gesture if that Dutch player (de Jong?) were to be given the Ty Cobb Award this year.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 21:02:54 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Correction

Though he was hit by pitches 267 times during his career, Don Baylor ranks 4th on the all-time list. I was wrong. He does still hold the Boston Red Sox single-season record, however.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 20:59:06 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I doubt that you can be wuss-like in any professional sport, except perhaps golf. A guy I knew who was a sports injury specialist told me the fittest professionals with the most punishing schedules are ballet dancers. There was a TV show a few years ago where ballet dancers sailed through the warm up routines for other sports, but big, tough pro sportsmen failed to get even through the ballet warm-ups.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 20:46:31 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Various

I loved that clever Dylan spoof from THE ONION, one of the few voices of sanity and intelligence in an increasingly moronic world. The odd part about that is Frank Zappa really did something similar near the end of his life when he fired his last band and concentrated on writing and recording on the synclavier.

I didn't watch much of that soccer game either as I was flipping channels from a so-called boring sport, baseball. I did witness a Dutch player jumping in the air and slamming both feet into the upper chest of a player from the other team, resulting in play stopping until the victim was lifted from the ground. I'm not sure how "wuss-like" that was compared to massive American pro football players wearing 75 pounds of padding, and getting a break every ten minutes. The most macho atheletes I ever saw were baseball players like Mickey Mantle (who, though drunk, played a whole game with a large hole in his hip) and the remarkable Don Baylor who never flinched when hit by 90 mile an hour pitches, just trotting down to first with his reward for taking the pounding. I think he still holds the record for being hit by pitches more time than anyone in the century-plus history of the majors.

Now that I think of it, Levon Helm belongs in a discussion of standing up to adversity like those guys. His recent touring schedule is a pretty tough one, so I'm sorry I won't be able to make the upcoming Wolf Trap show with John Hiatt (whose new CD is his best in years).


Entered at Tue Jul 13 20:23:19 CEST 2010 from (206.47.33.101)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Jon: Many thanks for posting yesterday Mavis Staples' latest..."You Are Not Alone".
imagezulu sat outside her musical tent the night after Levon's show. He thought the two times we saw her last year were better nights. He thought Toussaint was boring....Oh well.....music either moves ya or it doesn't.

At work above my computer on huge bulletin boards I see posters (all framed except Marley as it is a huge poster with the words:

Get Up, Stand Up, Stand Up For Your Right
Get Up, Stand Up, Don't Give Up The Fight
Get Up, Stand Up, Life Is Your Right
Don't Give Up The Fight

The Band Winterland Apirl 17 18 19

Garland Jeffreys Village Underground (Crabgrass had Garland sign it for me...To Angelina "always your pal"....I was not at this gig.

Robbie Robertson

Dylan photo

Van is missing...Louuu may be hard to explain... ;-D


Entered at Tue Jul 13 19:55:28 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Speaking of musical shite, can it be a coincidence that the guy looks so much like half the Carpenters? (Which other GBers had hair like that, even if just a way station on the voyage between short-back-and-sides and part-down-the-middle?)


Entered at Tue Jul 13 19:40:19 CEST 2010 from (68.164.4.230)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

My new favorite version.

Bill, I think the final game hasn't ended yet.


Entered at Tue Jul 13 19:17:46 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

dlew: You have this habit of shutting down the place for hours at a time with your posts. A joke, surely, and not worth all this befuddled silence.

Hey, who won that World Cup thing?


Entered at Tue Jul 13 14:40:44 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan does it again!

From the onion - see link...


Entered at Mon Jul 12 23:54:06 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Football rules

You can get a card for diving and it's not infrequently given either. There are some classic cases.

On injury, some football injuries are truly grisly and horrible, and they are career ending stuff. That's why the theatrical dive while screaming in apparent agony really should be treated harshly. Certain players do get a name for doing it, then have trouble with referees when they get genuinely tipped up. It has spread enormously in recent years.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 22:53:59 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Vinnie and Tal, however, do play on several cuts from Jeff Beck's latest album "Emotion & Commotion".


Entered at Mon Jul 12 22:50:51 CEST 2010 from (65.47.151.50)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City
Web: My link

Subject: Mavis

Click above to hear a new song by Mavis Staples! Just beautiful.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 22:33:05 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks Bob and David...........not sure why but I had never checked on a website for JB...........didn't know he had one....I guess everyone does but I hadn't thought to check.....interesting that he writes his own little updates.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 21:02:13 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kevin, her name is Rhonda Smith. She is a native of Nova Scotia and played for a time in Prince's band. Another interesting lineup for Jeff Beck.

There are some current clips posted on YouTube.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 20:51:35 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Jeff Beck

Kevin: Jeff Beck's band for this current tour includes Rhonda Smith on bass and Narada Michael Walden on drums. Mr. Walden played on Jeff Beck's "Wired" album years ago. Jason Rebello is back on keyboards. Mr. Beck reportedly had to replace the rhythm section of Vinnie Colaiuta and Tal Wilkenfeld because they had prior commitments, including Ms. Wilkenfeld's solo album porject.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 20:29:03 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve: Agree....FIFA could solve a lot of problems by making this simple change....while they are at it......instant replay for just goals in the same fashion as the NHL does it ( eye in the sky simply reviews all close call and informs refs by headset ) and calls for diving.......a paper that is nothing more than a rag most of the time - The New York Post - did have one of its great headlines the day after the US lost their quarter final game...it read "This is a Stupid Game Anyway" ....not quite in the league of "Headless Body found in Topless Bar" but it did sum op the feelings of people that watch a sport that is just so clearly mismanaged...........

bob w: excellent link....I had looked on youtube after hearing about this but the links for a few days afterwards were not very good...this one is......by the way...not sure if you saw the Crossroads 2010 telecast - I didn't - but from what I see Jeff Beck - had a new band with him and another female bass player......not the lovely Tal but someone else.......do you know anything more? The good news from the fest from what I read is that Clapton is not ending it as planned but another Crossroads will be back in 3 more years......guitar heaven.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 20:11:36 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

An old friend stops by to wish Ringo a happy birthday.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 19:31:25 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.83)

Posted by:

Steve

With a second ref, Kevin, covering that half of the pitch, that call gets made and the outcome of the game is quite possibly decided right there.

Remember the arguments of the stuck in the mud contingent when bringing in the second ref in the NHL was being talked about? It's no longer a bone of contention as far as I'm aware and I think the game is better for it.

How the hell is a soccer ref at that level supposed to catch up to a play like the one you mentioned and be in position to make the right call?

The ball is heading towards mid field, get intercepted and passed ahead to a guy who is one of the fastest runners on the field, headed in the opposite direction. No wonder the ref is too far away to see what is happening.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 19:30:03 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Actually Kevin, the Bluesfest organizers seem to go to considerable length to make sure no genuine blues artist appears at the festival. Susan Tedeschi, the bluesiest artist listed is also the last listed.

Jeff, I'm fully aware you're somewhat less than objective when it comes to Poco but I've done my homework too and 'Deliverin' it is. Already ordered it is. This would then be the last record before Jim Messina left?


Entered at Mon Jul 12 18:40:10 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: What's New

I enjoyed the Jacob Dylan & Garth clip at What's New of this website...........state of the Blues.....see poster as provided by Bill M of the Ottawa Bluesfest.....and I thought the politicians were the worst thing about Ottawa....is there a band on that poster that has any thing to do with the blues........seems to me that the best bluesfest now in Canada is the one that takes place in Mont Tremblant, Quebec every July.......strictly blues it is - none of this Weezer, Iron Maiden, Kevin Costner crap...............Last time I was at Tremblant for the Blues fest...the place was crawling with bikers....perhaps a reason that they are strict about the authenticity of the acts...I can't imagine a bunch of Hells Angels grooving to Weezer - can anyone else?


Entered at Mon Jul 12 17:11:24 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Also...

If the Australian team wins, Australians becoem the world's biggest fans and experts... till they lose...


Entered at Mon Jul 12 16:25:26 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Brien

One of the reasons soccer hasn't taken off here as much as it might have is because of the injury attitude... after you've been crunched in league by 3 guys who weigh 20 stone heavier than you, and then stood out in the sun in summer waiting for someone to either throw you a ball, or hit it to you for 6 or 7 hours... the pathetic injuries in soccer seem a bit, well, pathetic... :)


Entered at Mon Jul 12 16:23:27 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Some thoughts:

* Picked up a few cd's on Saturday.....as an aside..the HMV downtown Toronto ( Eaton centre ) now has more dvd's of old TV shows than cd's.....the sales guy informed me that the corporation is "transitioning" to "magazines, books and dvd's...you know the things people are interested in".........the cd's were at the far back of the store.......they did have a Punk section - though it was only 4 columns wide...........made me think that music was in desperate need of another major shake-up..

* Steve Miller's Bingo: If the reviews have indeed ranged from 2 stars to 4 - all have been way too generous. According to Steve himself, he still makes millions a year thanks to album sales generated from his massive presence on classic rock radio........good for him but Bingo (with the exception of track 6 ) is just limp and embarrassing. Some fine playing and production but no jump and if anyone even feels a little bit of the blues when listening to this I would be shocked. The presence of Jimmie Vaughn on the album just made me realize how much we miss Stevie Ray....compared to his authentic grit.....the Steve Miller work seems like a bunch of rich dentists getting together and doing what they think is blues.......

* World Cup: The equivalent Hockey world cup final - the Olympic gold medal game - between Canada and USA was a glorious display of hockey at its finest....fast, clean, hard hitting, the best players on both sides able to demonstrate their skill.........contrast this to yesterday's abomination.......imagine Holland had a breakaway...the Spanish player clearly interferes with him preventing a clear scoring chance.....not only is there no penalty ( which would have put Spain down to 10 men ) but the Dutch player ( Schneider was it? ) gets the yellow card for complaing about it............Holland was gooning it up early...so perhaps a just result but really just a bad display all around........


Entered at Mon Jul 12 14:18:46 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.37)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Re Todd's Question On Haiti

After some checking it seems not much has changed in Haiti since the earthquake. The dead bodies are buried and wounded people have received some attention but more than 1 million people are still living in tents. The economy hasn't begun to recover. The rubble is still mostly where it was since the quake.

Of the more than 1 billion dollars pledged by gov'ts and individuals world wide, less than 10% of the cash has actually arrived.

Living in a tent as the hurricane season arrives probably rivals the World Cup Final for anticipation of thrilling moments to come.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 14:15:39 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

I have to say, one of the things that I found over-the-top in the World Cup was the way players would feign life and death injury nearly everytime they are touched just to pop right up afterwards (in the vest majority of cases) and keep on playing. Personally, I found it ridiculous if not outright wuss-like.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 13:02:35 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.28)

Posted by:

Steve

I'll take your word for it, Peter. We didn't get a replay with the line added to show if it was off side. They'd given us the line on the field for all the other offside calls that were close during the game but not that one.

DeJong's cleats to the upper chest against that Spanish player was a red card call for sure.

Hopefully, Full Bladder, will be replaced and replays and possibly a second ref will be added. Both are obviously needed.

I have empathy for the ref. The field is huge, he's running around on a field where his view of the ball is obstructed by the players and most of the players are quick to feign crippling injuries at the slightest contact from an opposition player.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 09:49:33 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The consensus is that Spain were the best team in the tournament, though Holland’s very physical approach did stop them playing to a degree, which is why the match wasn’t a great one. The panel here said Van Bommel could have been red-carded in every match in the knock-out stages. De Jong was a classic mandatory “red card” in the first half, and I suspect he only stayed on because no referee wants to decide a World Cup final with a red card.

What is a problem for Spain in future is those series of 1 – 0 wins. It’ll be interesting in 2012 for the European Championship. First, the Dutch have shown how to stifle Spain’s creativity effectively, and second they’ll have to improve that 1-0 margin. It’s a bit like Mourinho’s Chelsea where the press complained about too many 1-0 victories with a late to latish goal. The TV panel of experts complain that Spain go right down the middle too much and they also seem to lack a dead-ball specialist like Beckham in his heyday. If Germany’s young team continue to improve, I reckon they could take them in 2012 unless Spain can find a clearer and more frequent route to the back of the net. But when allowed to play Spain are a joy to watch.

One little aside in the commentary, near the start of extra time, was that the game had turned into a frenetic English Premier League game as both sides threw everything into it. That's why the Premier League is more watcheable, though less skilful!


Entered at Mon Jul 12 03:22:03 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norbert

My condolences, :(


Entered at Mon Jul 12 02:06:56 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

First half was a bit boring, Brien. I thought the second picked up and I was glad both sides were trying in extra-time and it didn't go to pens. Seeing Van Bommel whining to the ref was a bit rich ... he should have been well off the pitch by that point.

I'm not sure if there has ever been a really open World Cup final. The games used usually cited best ever are the France/West Germany World Cup semi-final from 1982 and Portugal/France semi-final from Euro '84. I'd say these are the two greatest international games I've ever seen. There's a YouTube clip of France/Portugal that distills it down to about 9 minutes and it's a fantastic reminder. What I can recall of that game is two sides just going for it for 90 minutes and extra-time was just a continuation of that. There were so many chances for both sides and an almost absurd shot that spun onto the crossbar from Didier Six. I don't remember the 1970 World Cup but the Italy/West Germany semi-final is usually mentioned in the same breath as those two. Franz Beckenbauer playing with his shoulder in a sling.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 01:17:57 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

I watched a fair amount of the World Cup and know little about the sport but understanding offsides seems fairly easy - they replayed here as well and I didn't think it was offsides.

Is it my lack of exposure to the game or was the first half kinda boring - in fact the second half (granted I didn't watch every moment of this game) wasn't all that much better until the 'extra time'.


Entered at Mon Jul 12 01:17:05 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Poor Sports

Some of those players on the World Cup team from the Netherlands deserve to have a stampede of cattle rattle their balls. Congratulations to Spain!


Entered at Mon Jul 12 00:30:20 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The World of Finance

Others may have seen this already, but it has just been posted on the web news I receive, the 31 Million Spain gets for winning, the player bonus round for round thru' the play offs, as well as this game.

They've said Netherlands gets about 2.5 million, to Spains 31. However the player bonus paid for the rounds, from 16th on still make for a helluva pay day for this tournament for the players.

Apparently, England's player bonus is "zip" - "nil" - "nada", as their bonus was not to kick in until past the 16th, which is where they went out.........I guess.

Too bad Norbert, I would like to have seen them win. I think they got themselves too worked up, trying to hard, watching the clock too much, and get themselves too emotionally charged. They needed to focus, and play the game.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 23:52:45 CEST 2010 from (86.165.73.227)

Posted by:

Simon

I think the Dutch players were protesting about the alleged obstruction at the other end of the pitch. No way was the goal offside and looking at the replay, it's a weak case for obstruction at the start of the move. I do feel for Norbert and I've always wanted the Netherlands to win the trophy. I can still remember '74 and '78 but Spain were worthy winners and to be honest I was supporting them, especially after the first half.

It's the first time a European nation has won the World Cup in a tournament held outside Europe. Spain scored eight goals which is the fewest ever after England '66 and Brazil '94, who both scored eleven.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 23:31:34 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Not an off side goal at all. The BBC replayed it with lines shading the zone in front of players. To be fair, the Dutch would have been down to ten men in the first half with many refs (or if that ref had seen the kick). The neutrals on TV all agree Spain deserved to win.

BBC reckon it was a good result for football as kids will emulate the style of Spain rather than the physicality of Holland. To quote, the Spanish had seven kinds of shit kicked out of them for 120 minutes and skill eventually won the day. Sorry, norbert!


Entered at Sun Jul 11 23:31:12 CEST 2010 from (91.42.255.243)

Posted by:

Norbert

I want to break something .... but fair, they where better


Entered at Sun Jul 11 23:08:30 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.196)

Posted by:

Steve

Off side goal. Fitting way for the tournament to end.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 20:25:43 CEST 2010 from (91.42.255.243)

Posted by:

Norbert

Bonk, Peter, Brown Eyed Girl thanks for the Safari help.

Only a few moments Holland - Spain. I agree with Peter Spain has the better cards, what the hell we'll beat those Spainers, lots of stress here ....here we go .... grrrr


Entered at Sun Jul 11 16:07:28 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.122)

Posted by:

Steve

Smart move, Peter. The last thing you want is a 1600 lb bovine in your car, The next thing you know she'll be going through the glove box looking for things of value like charge cards and other pieces of identification that could be used later to apply for bank loans or mortgages in your name. Cows can be no end of trouble if they ever get in your car.

Several local car jackings have been attributed to a harmless looking pair of Jerseys. That big doe eyed look gets people to stop every time.

The 50th anniversary Mariposa Folk Festival in Orillia will feature two performers that were there for the first festival.

Ian and Sylvia will be playing the Orillia festival together again.

This time Gordon Lightfoot will be part of the show in his hometown. Back in 61 he wasn't considered a high enough quality act to be included. Go Gord!


Entered at Sun Jul 11 15:38:23 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, yesterday was quite worrying, driving through the countryside. There were cows all over the place in Somerset, and you could see them assembled in little groups near the hedges, no doubt plotting the downfall of the human race. I think it's like "The Birds" but with cows this time. Whenever we had to stop near them, I locked the doors.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 15:15:26 CEST 2010 from (59.101.1.20)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Dunc... Steve

Dunc: Jack Bruce! Of course. Naturally, Robbie Robertson (and we can add the Jamie (with a different spelling as well)

Steve: it was the most bizarre thing: the govt is going about the sam eas the last government. Except it will lose the election to the most unelectable Opposition ever... and the most unelectable party since 1973 (both Liberal, as it happens)



Entered at Sun Jul 11 09:38:31 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Flags and such

We were in Wells yesterday (in rural Somerset) and noted three restaurants / pubs with large Spanish flags outside. Only one was advertising tapas. My bet (sorry, Norbert) is Spain, based on them having the most stylish and attractive football.

Rather sad, a charity shop had a huge display of England World Cup memorabilia on sale: flags, mugs, banners, pillows, tea towels. They were knocking items down from £5.99 to £4.99. Personally, I'd say 50 pence was expensive given the current situation. It's also sad to reflect that someone decided to use charity money to gamble on a good World Cup campaign and to overstock all their shops with this stuff. They'll never shift it at cost.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 04:09:30 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: World Cup

Netherlands 2 Spain 1.


Entered at Sun Jul 11 02:51:08 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.46)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Short and sweet....Garth and JaKob


Entered at Sun Jul 11 02:42:48 CEST 2010 from (76.67.16.46)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Norbert...That makes 5 of us plus imagezulu makes 6.

Good Luck tomorrow!

July 10/10
Jakob Dylan and Three Legs perform "On Up the Mountain" with Garth Hudson
Bearsville NY


Entered at Sun Jul 11 02:06:51 CEST 2010 from (24.108.12.129)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Norbert

Oh yea. Don't get sucked into buying the Mobile Me stuff. You really don't need it. Maybe Peter can enlighten you more concerning this. Cheers


Entered at Sun Jul 11 01:59:58 CEST 2010 from (24.108.12.129)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Norbert

Hi Norbert. If you go to apple.com and type in video tutorials in the search window it pretty well covers everything. I use apple as my home page so it's right in front of me at all times. Otherwise, just bookmark the tutorial page. Have fun. Great machine.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 23:52:52 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Refresh

Command (Apple key) -R does it too.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 23:41:20 CEST 2010 from (79.202.166.168)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Bonk

Thanks, you're an Apple user also? that makes 4 of us.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 23:30:16 CEST 2010 from (96.54.32.212)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: NORBERT

Norbert. At the end of the address line at the top there's a semi-circle with an arrow on the top of it. That's your refresh or reload button. Cheers.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 22:50:52 CEST 2010 from (79.202.166.168)

Posted by:

Norbert Kruze

Location: Germany

Subject: Apple, where' s the F5?

We've got our first Apple PC, they call it an iMac. Peter and Norm thanks for the comments the other day. I have to get used to the big screen and no windows, I almost bought a Sony F notebook, now I wonder ....

Got some red lines here, spell checker I guess but it doesn't help either. Peter or Norm where is the F5 button, to refresh this GB page, how do Apples do that?


Entered at Sat Jul 10 21:39:25 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Lebron's the man with the power.

What power?

The power of hoodoo.

Hoodoo?

You do.

What?

Remind me of a man …

Apologies to those not into the Marx Brothers (Groucho, Harpo, Beppo & Karl)


Entered at Sat Jul 10 21:26:09 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Lebron who?


Entered at Sat Jul 10 19:18:26 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Hype

I don't care who Lebron signed with.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 14:29:41 CEST 2010 from (76.66.26.147)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie and Maria

Thanks again to Carol Caffin who wished Robbie a Happy Birthday on her site.
:-D


Entered at Sat Jul 10 05:12:30 CEST 2010 from (24.47.117.177)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Joe, buy Deliverin. You'll never say Poco was Calirnia lite again. Poco was one tough band. Same appplies to A Good Feelin To Know. That album rocked hard most the whole way through. And if you ask me, From The Inside was a tough album also. Steve Cropper produced it, and the sound was amazing. Poco themselves wanted something brighter, have been reputed to have been disappointed with the sound originally. I think the sound was right on the fucking money, and that Cropper did one helluva job on it.

Manasass, either album , you can't go wrong.



Entered at Sat Jul 10 02:56:02 CEST 2010 from (79.202.167.43)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Women

I don’t believe in God, I’m lucky.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 02:32:55 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: springfield

Bill, I think 'gruesome' is appropriate. The video more so than the audio.

On the Springfield thread, can anyone recommend some solo Stills? The Manassas album? How about a Furay album? Best of Poco? I've never been a Poco fan. California lite. Love 'Kind Woman' though.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 01:33:38 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.82)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, sounds like you've got holdovers from that Mad Cow outbreak from a decade or so ago. Our cows are pretty mellow, I can't see them stampeding but you never know. I have seen them surround a woodchuck that was foolishness enough to stray too far from his hole. They stomped it to pieces. All that was left was bits of fur.


Entered at Sat Jul 10 00:55:57 CEST 2010 from (97.102.35.59)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: i just saw the movie shutter island..

shutter island was great ..i really liked it...if you have'nt seen it you should go get it , and watch it ..


Entered at Sat Jul 10 00:43:45 CEST 2010 from (97.102.35.59)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: re-who were gallery members..

thanks david p. , and peter m. for the info..on the band gallery , and the song i believe in music..


Entered at Fri Jul 9 23:47:12 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stampeding cattle they rattle the walls

It said "the fifth in a year" but I only found three. Still sounds hazardous being near cows to me.

8th July 2010 A teacher working part-time at a farm has been trampled to death by a herd of cows. Philip Whiting, 47, was found lying unconscious in a field. Paramedics battled to save him but he died at the scene. Last night it was unclear what caused the cows to charge at the farm in Fordham, near Ely in Cambridgeshire.

18 August 2009 A police investigation has been launched after a farmer was trampled to death by cows that were apparently spooked by a fire engine on an emergency call. Harold Lee, 75, from Burtle, Somerset, died yesterday from injuries received during the incident on 11 August, Avon and Somerset police said. He was the third person to be trampled to death by cows this year. Lee was riding a quad bike as he took his herd of cows to milking. His family claims a passing fire engine responding to an emergency call startled the herd as they were driven by Lee and his son along a minor road. The animals turned back towards their field, trampling the farmer.

22 July 2009 A woman was trampled to death by cows when she tried to rescue her dog which ran into the herd, an inquest was told. Anita Hinchey, 63, was walking her dog with a friend through a field owned by the Earl of Plymouth estate in Cardiff when her pet ran off. Mrs Hinchey, of St Georges-super-Ely, Vale of Glamorgan, walked into the cows to find her pet but was trapped and trampled on, the Cardiff inquest heard. She died of multiple injuries. The inquest was adjourned to a later date.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 23:43:17 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: They don't like dogs!

Last week a woman was killed while walking hers dogs, and a year ago another woman was killed walking her dogs.

Last week also, some politician was attacked because he had his seeing eye dog with him. Those cows over there just don't like dogs!


Entered at Fri Jul 9 23:37:33 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: BBC News

Stupid thing won't work now. Anyway, this 49 year old guy is going to trial right now in England, because it is alleged the siren from his fire truck spooked the cattle, (this is in Somerset). They ran over this 75 year old guy that was herding them and trampled him to death.

This is much worse than Billie Crystal's coffee grinder in City Slickers, and look what they did!


Entered at Fri Jul 9 23:30:47 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Stampede Cattle

Well if this thing works, you can read all about one news item in England.

Stampede Cattle do more than rattle the walls.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 23:18:30 CEST 2010 from (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Guitar Playing

A friend of mine learned this song a long time ago. When ever he played it at a party or out in a gig he always mesmerized with it. If you are a guitar player(acoustic), this is one hell of piece to learn.., see link.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 22:56:16 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Big Brother and the Thought Police

Location: Airstrip One

Subject: Bovine accidents

Mr. Viney, where is this "England" of which you spoke?

May I see your I.D.?


Entered at Fri Jul 9 22:32:06 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stampeding Cattle

I've played a few open mic nights that seemed like cattle calls. A lot of clubs around here use them as a way to provide free entertainment, dangling the carrot of a promise of future paid gigs for those who sound good and get an enthusiastic reaction from the audience.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 22:12:16 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Uprisings!

The gawd damn farmer probably deserved it! They do yuh know. So one night the cows all get together and say, enough is enough! It's gonna happen on Steve's farm. You mark my words. Just wait 'till the dogs get wind of this.

On sports the other night, TSN. They were showing the "greatest hits", in hockey and every sport. Then they come to this bull rider. Holy shit! was that one pissed off bull. Just as he throws the guy, he does a sidewinder twist. As the guy is going forward he flips his head back and catches him with a horn and knocks him cold. Then proceeds to trample and maul him. The clowns and side men get him away, across the arena. Then he turns and looks at the guy laying there and comes thundering over and tosses him around again and then mauls a few of the side men. I don't know how the guy lived thru that.

Don't piss off the cows! And cows don't forget either. they got your number Steve......it's just a matter of time before I get to say I told you so. You'll be screaming for your dog named Boo awright. Boo! I'm sorry I didn't mean it!


Entered at Fri Jul 9 21:49:34 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the Ely murders

Peter V: Presumably all of those killings were at the hoof of the same marauding herdlet. Any sense of how widely dispersed the sites were? As you know, Ely was once an isle surrounded by dangerous marshes - so was used as a hideout by roving gangs of dangerous humans on the run from the law. But now cows too - chilling. Maybe Tom Barnaby could help; goodness knows there's nobody left alive in the Midsomer area for him to worry about.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 21:31:34 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, I googled "farmer killed by cows Ely" and no dog was involved … it was though the FIFTH case in 2009 and 2010 in Britain (dogs were involved in 2009). Don't turn your back on them. They're plotting against you. Read George Orwell.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 21:20:22 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.153)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Two wrongs never make a right

The supermarkets squeeze our farmers here. It's constant in the papers. We like to shop at supermarkets and you probably have all heard the term Tesco Britain. I often wonder why farmers don't organise to raise prices. Probably because there's a difference between a poor hill sheep farm and a huge grain farm in the central belt?

But a lot of musicians must live frugal lives. I could do with going to a concert tonight, but nothing on. I think it's the end of an era for me - well Ringo's seventy. However, there's 85 000 at a festival forty five miles from here. Just don't fancy Eminem on Saturday night. Pity I didn't live in Atlantic City, David. Gigging tonight?


Entered at Fri Jul 9 20:47:12 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ... another tank of gas and back on the road again

Westcoaster: Your last sentence is, I believe, a failed attempt to paraphrase the key line from "Me And You And A Dog Named Boo" (that's Boo, not Poo): "Old MacDonald he made us work, but then he paid us for what it was worth".


Entered at Fri Jul 9 20:32:43 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.35)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, my guess is there was a dog involved.

Lars, what's the difference between a farmer and a dog standing out in the rain?

When you let the dog into the house he stops whining.

Not a bad idea Bill, even better since I'll be learning as I play. Hey, I can also check and see if Lars got that handful of wood piled yet at the same time. Is that multitasking or what.

David, if you want to make the comparison between bar bands and the beef industry the clubs would have to have a supply of musicians they dump onto the market every time there begins to be even the slightest glimmer of competition for their services.

Lars, for my opening song of this year's family reunion I'm going to recreate the Country Joe and The Fish version of, Feel Like I'm Fixing To Die Rag, complete with the lead in " Give me An F.... Chant. There'll be at least 25 or 30 in the 15 to 25 age bracket who should be right into it. And if I wait til late enough in the evening the oldsters will have had enough self consciousness remover lubrication to join in as well


Entered at Fri Jul 9 20:26:53 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Ohhhh.........YEAH!!!!!

Bullshitter!........You were not upside down Lars! I was lookin' right at yuh.

Why do you even bother with that share cropper?? He's a weiner........uhhh Whiner. All those socialist types are just gawd damn "profits of doom!" The whole world is all wrong, because it's not all their way. Yet he admits he doesn't pay his hired help any more'n he hastuh.

He makes 'em work like it's a sweat shop, and pays 'em as little as possible the capitalist poop head!


Entered at Fri Jul 9 20:03:19 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: one more thing...

It's probably too late and some people have already read my last post, but it helps if you know that I was upside down, yelling out of a dungeon window, when I wrote that.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 19:21:59 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

The question must be asked, Peter V, did they rattle the walls too?

Steve: Given the declining price of beef and the ascending price of violins these days, Lars appears to have left you no option but to trade in your Club Zed points for a super-cheap model. Serves him right if you choose to stand outside his window and serenade him on it at, oh, 2:00 AM.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 19:17:28 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Bar Wars

One lesson I learned the hard way is to make sure your habitually broke bass player's bar tab doesn't exceed his cut of what the gig pays. That's an overhead one can't afford, especially in these economic times. Here in Atlanta, the ratio of musicians compared with venues that feature live music is heavily balanced in favor of the clubs, as they can get away with paying as little as they want. If you go through a booking agent, you can do a little better, but then he or she takes a percentage.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 19:07:05 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: A Retort

Hey Steve....those musicians have worked most of their lives to earn a wage. Your Green Acre excursion started after you got an education in the US. You got more time to put in, boy.

I don't complain about AARP or my pool water being warm. If your looking for sympathy you better locate a violin. Everybody has to deal with problems.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 18:38:50 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, do be careful. A man in Ely in the east of England was killed yesterday after being trampled by stampeding cattle on a farm! Really. I never trusted those bovines. I'm proven right.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 18:32:54 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.16)

Posted by:

Steve

Good to see we're at least staying ahead of the bar bands.

1985 we finally topped a dollar a pound for our best steers.

Between 85 and 2004 the price slowly rose to about $1.40 a lb. for number one steers.

While beef consumption has continued to rise and store prices right along with demand the corporations that control our food supply have gradually squeezed the profit out of our business returning us to just over the dollar a pound price where we were in 85. Our last bunch of calves we sold in April averaged $1.08. Of course our main inputs, fertilizer and fuel, are 3 times the price of 85.

Lars, how many more hours do you think I should dedicate to the job? I hope you'll keep in mind that I'm trying not to fall too far below the federal minimum wage I pay the youngins I hire in the summer. I'm sure I'm already well below it but I'm afraid to really check.

Yes we're gradually being reduced to serf status again, but I guess we can take solace in the fact we're hanging in with the bar bands.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 18:16:22 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I see where Lou Reed caused quite a stir in Montréal a few night ago.......reminiscent of Bob Dylan and the boys going electric all those years ago.......I love it because I detest Jazz fests bringing in pop stars for the yuppies to have their memories served.while never spending a dime on musicians in their own cities...... see below

Lou Reed Booed Onstage at Montreal Jazz Festival

7/5/2010 By Stephen Carlick

When your name is Lou Reed, you carry with you the expectation that each time you perform live, you’ll play at least a few of your hits — “Walk on the Wild Side,” maybe, or “Sweet Jane.” Reed learned that the hard way Friday night (July 2), as his set at the Montreal Jazz Festival, which eschewed his trademark '70s favourites for free-jazz improvisation, was greeted by a series of boos and, in some cases, walkouts. /n Reed’s improv set, which was performed alongside avant-garde saxophone hero John Zorn and Reed’s wife (multi-instrumentalist Laurie Anderson), received furious reactions from fans expecting songs from his early solo albums or his catalogue with the Velvet Underground, including a plea from one fan to “Play some real music!”

“If you don't think this is music, you can get the fuck out of here,” Zorn responded to the boos and jeers, causing a number of fans to immediately start heading for the exits after just two songs.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 17:57:44 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Danny Brooks Benefit in Toronto, July 20

John D / Kevin J / BEG / others in the GTA: "Danny Brooks is going in for heart surgery and the blues community is rallying to help out. The Benefit for Danny Brooks will take place at Hollywood on the Queensway (1184 The Queensway, Etobicoke) on Tues July 20 at 8pm. Tickets are $20, and the house band will consist of Lance Anderson, Mike Sloski, and Tom Griffiths, as well as guests Suzie Vinnick, Chuck Jackson, Johnny Max, Kelita, Chris Whiteley, Dean McTaggart, Deborah Klassen, John Dickie, & more."


Entered at Fri Jul 9 17:43:34 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

The link above should take you to the full set of recordings of performers at a recent Bruce Cockburn tribute concert here, including Sylvia Tyson, BARK, Barenaked Ladies et al. BARK, the back-up band throughout, now includes Ken Pearson, formerly of Janis Joplin's Full Tilt Boogie Band, on organ. Cockburn doing "If I Had A Rocket Launcher" still sends a shiver.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 16:57:40 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Working musicians

DUNC- I've seen many nights when musicians took a financial beating. Some bands "play for the door" and they at least get the money the cover charges add up to. Sometimes they "pass the hat" and it's embarassing to see a band member, someone who's been playing music most of his life, come out of a night's performance with just gas money. The safest bet for musicians is if they have an agreed fee from the club owner, ideally around $100 a performer. It's a sad situation since 30 years ago musicians (around here) were being paid about the same; there's no increase for inflation for bar bands.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 16:36:39 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

What's sad is that the label concerned is Island. Chris Blackwell, I'm sure, would be appalled. If you look at those early red and white Island records, they're full of gospel-tinged stuff. It's their heritage from the early 60s as much as prog is from the late 60s / 70s.

The album, in fact, really does sound like a "must buy."


Entered at Fri Jul 9 16:24:06 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: It's Not Unusual

It's not unusual in this day & age for recording label executives to prove they are clueless when it comes to judging music, as, to them, it's just another disposable product.

Coincidentally, I mentioned Ethan Johns, the talented son of producer Glyn Johns, just the other day. Although he's worked with a couple of artists that could be categorized as folk, he's produced a wide range of talent, including Rufus Wainwright, Ryan Adams, Crowded House and Kings of Leon. He seems to be a good fit for Sir Tom Jones' "Praise & Blame" project (see link).

The album includes songs written by Bob Dylan, John Lee Hooker, Billy Joe Shaver, Jesse Mae Hemphill and others -- not exactly the type of material one would find in a church hymnal. Nowadays of course, you wouldn't expect a music label executive to know anything about spiritual & gospel music.

Here in the U.S., "Praise & Blame" will be distributed by Universal's Nashville subsidiary Lost Highway.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 15:48:08 CEST 2010 from (76.67.19.115)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Reformed Band- The Genetic Method - Chest Fever (Live 1994 Audio)

Live In Japan 5/7/1994
Kousei Nenkin Hall , Osaka


Entered at Fri Jul 9 15:14:13 CEST 2010 from (76.67.19.115)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SECOND DEGREES OF VU SEPARATION


Entered at Fri Jul 9 14:52:59 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

When the group Gallery is mentioned, I think of "It's So Nice To Be With You". And then I try washing my brain out with soap.

Joe J: Gruesome is all I can say re the song at the other end of your link.

Peter V: The unapologetic Mr Sharpe is not the first person who asked for a Mercedes Benz but ended up with a hearse.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 14:17:44 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Absolutely true about we Apple users. Glad the world recognizes it. I bought the first 128 model back in 1985, having had a BBC before that and a Sinclair before that. Thus I've survived twenty-five years and only used a Microsoft Windows PC once in all that time, for one talk. It was crap, and I spent hours scrubbing my fingers with disinfectant after touching it. Sent from my iPad.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 14:07:17 CEST 2010 from (90.239.107.137)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

"NWC" is o course me and the prvious (unnecessary) post referred to a post which never came thru.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 14:02:10 CEST 2010 from (90.239.107.137)

Posted by:

NWC

Ooops.. it is of course Finnish and not Finish. Hope there is a difference!


Entered at Fri Jul 9 13:34:34 CEST 2010 from (90.239.106.137)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Apple / Norbert

Norbert, you are right. Apple people (at least young ones and of course our own Peter V:-) are hot and trendy and sexy. You Microsoft slaves are just boring and we Linux hippies are just building cottages in a tree.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 12:36:21 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Obviously, this "leaked" Island story is the best publicity the album could have so possibly a very astute marketing tactic in getting rock fans to listen in. It's the back cover ad on this month's rock magazines. I predict it will be a huge success.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 12:32:58 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Praise & Blame

In spite of my respect for copyright, I've pasted the main Tom Jones story with a link above. I know how often people suggest US news articles to me, and I find they won't download outside the USA. So I assume the same may be true of this UK one:

QUOTE:

A record company boss who paid £1.5million to lure Welsh crooner Tom Jones from EMI fired a rage-filled email to a colleague asking if the contents of his new album was 'some sick joke'.

Island Records vice-president David Sharpe was enraged after hearing the gospel-inspired songs that feature on Jones's album Praise & Blame, which will be released this month.

He wrote to his colleague in the May 19 tirade: 'Imagine my surprise when I walked into the office this morning to hear hymns coming from your office - it could have been Sunday morning.

My initial pleasure came to an abrupt halt when I realised that Tom Jones was singing the hymns! I have just listened to the album in its entirety and want to know if this is some sick joke????'

Mr Sharpe said he had expected an album of hip-shaking hips in the vein of It's Not Unusual and Sex Bomb.

He continued: 'We did not invest a fortune in an established artist for him to deliver 12 tracks from the common book of prayer [sic]. Having lured him from EMI, the deal was that you would deliver a record of upbeat tracks along the lines of Sex Bomb and Mama Told Me...'

He said the album was not what Island had paid for and demanded that his colleague 'pull this project or get me my money back'.

Among the song titles on Praise & Blame are Help The Poor And Needy, Burning Hell and If I Give My Soul.

Jones, 70, has likened the album, recorded with folk producer Ethan Johns, to Johnny Cash's acclaimed American Recordings, on which the singer returned to his roots.

Mr Sharpe was not interested in the story behind the album, writing: 'As venerable and interesting as Tom's story is, this is not what was agreed and certainly not what we paid for. Who put him with a "folk" producer and who authorised that he should go off on this tangent?

'Please don't give me the art over commerce argument, it's run its course...what are you thinking when he went all spiritual?'

Critics have been split, with former Cascades singer Gabe Lapano saying 'You need some new material' and Clash magazine lauding it as a stunning album that captures Jones 'delving into his musical heritage'.

An unapologetic Mr Sharpe stood by his scathing appraisal after it was leaked, saying he 'paid for a Mercedes' and ended up with a 'hearse'.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 12:26:22 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I fear books are going to follow music. We're in a world where people no longer respect copyright and think it all comes for free. The only positive is that "hell has frozen over" for a number of bands and they're back together and doing stuff.

The Rolling Stones realized they'd stopped selling many albums by 1982 and they were a live act. Period. The Who were much the same. Now people are filling large halls night after night while selling f**k-all CDs on the back of it. It also means audiences who shuffle in irritation between the old well-known songs.

But hopefully the conglomerates will suffer far more than musicians and authors. It is getting very easy indeed to self-press CDs or self-publish books, and there are now major distributors who will do the work for a (large) cut. The problem is marketing though, which is about all the conglomerates are useful for.

TOM JONES … quite a fuss about his new one (July 26th). Reportedly it got very close to the label sueing him for turning in uncommercial product, something not without precedent in the industry, and of course, it's getting his first four star ecstatic reviews in decades.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 10:03:13 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.153)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Jeff, Peter

I knew it wasn't much, but I got a bit of a shock when I found how little musicians were paid in Peter's post for their recording endeavours. I wasn't naive, because there have been articles on how little Scottish writers and artists make.

So live performances are the answer, but I feel my age group is not catered for in terms of being able to see musicians. We can see the big acts who tour Europe - McCartney, CSN etc. but if we're not quick we don't get tickets. (I saw the last two Paul simon concerts here, but there was 13 years between them.)

Only because of what I've read - Americans seem better catered for. But I remember Lars (I think)talking about a musician who found it difficult to get gigs.

There must be a lot of musicians who once had a reasonable living, who are now on the breadline. Ricky Lee Jones played Edinburgh this week and in a newspaper article told of how she was broke. Also, nowadays I won't go through to Edinburgh to see a concert.

I'll finish on a positive. There's a brilliant festival T in the park this weekend in Scotland. Sold out, but not catering for my age group.

Last three albums I've played - 'Blonde on Blonde' three times in a row. Still brilliant and standing the test of time.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 09:53:56 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Look at it this way, Jeff. At least you can hang on to the money for another 15 months or so before you have to pay any over.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 07:48:26 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, Good. I just got paid 26.61 cents for 6 songs someone streamed through Nokia in May. When I apply the formula i'm going to be very deep in debt to myself one way or another :-)


Entered at Fri Jul 9 03:18:48 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside
Web: My link

Subject: No you've never heard this before

The Carpenters do "Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing".

I was playing old vinyl, specifically 'Last Time Around', when I realized I didn't have a copy of Springfield's second album , which got me to exploring Youtube, which resulted in the attached.

Fair bit of talent in the Springfield, wasn't there? I rarely listen to Furay or Stills these days. My loss.


Entered at Fri Jul 9 00:01:15 CEST 2010 from (79.202.169.220)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Apple (claimed musician pc) vs Microsoft

Musicians and creative people use Apple pc's, are they so much better? They look good.


Entered at Thu Jul 8 19:20:14 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

And "I Believe In Music" was written by Mac Davis.


Entered at Thu Jul 8 16:42:31 CEST 2010 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: music search

Hey daena, Gallery was an early 70's band. Guitar & vocals Jim Gold, Bass & vocals Dennis Kovarik, steel guitar Cal Freeman. There's a site, "allmusic", formerly "allmusicguide", that lets you enter any artist, album or song name, and it gives you information about any recorded music out there. It doesn't work for bands that played live, but didn't record, but otherwise, it's pretty complete.


Entered at Thu Jul 8 16:39:41 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.109)

Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Hey Dlew, how is the first month of government by Big Coal, for Big Coal, going? When Mr. Rudd didn't show up for the recent G-20 display of state police power I became concerned. I guess trying to tap into the billions being pocketed by Big Coal is now off the table for anyone who wants to govern in Australia.

Our oilman, Harpo, was probably relieved that this attempt at sharing fossil fuel revenues with the people of the country it's extracted in was dealt with in a manner that should put the fear of Oil Can Harry in the hearts of anyone who might be foolish enough to harbour thoughts of carrying out such dastardly deeds against them that provide and possess real power in the future.

Anyone interested in listening to an intelligent interview with a musician should check out the link to Jian Ghomeshi's interview with Blues Girl, Cindy Lauper. Listen to the most recent episode, yesterday's.


Entered at Thu Jul 8 04:46:11 CEST 2010 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: The Pipkins vs. The Pipkins

Bill M: I think the Pipkins behind Gimme Dat Thing were not the same as the two Pipkins on Music from Lil Brown. I think I'll have to google to make sure.


Entered at Thu Jul 8 04:01:42 CEST 2010 from (97.102.35.59)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: does anyone know ????????

hello does anyone here know who the member's of a 70's band called "gallery" are ? they did the song "i believe in music" , because i think the way the lead vocalist sings reminds me of joe cocker , but i can't find much if any info. on "gallery" , so i was hoping someone here might help me find out .. thanks in advanced to anyone who helps..


Entered at Thu Jul 8 02:33:33 CEST 2010 from (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Ringo Hits 70

Ringo Starr turned 70 today. Long may he drum. Like Rollie, Ringo was at the Last Waltz.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 23:41:53 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well, problem solved, Norbert. To the neutral observer, Spain deserved it too. Germany did light up the whole tournament, but watching them against Spain, I thought that their sudden break ability had worked so well against England and Argentina, who did a headless chicken attack when behind. That meant more goals on the break and a slightly flattering scoreline. Spain were way, way better organized and more skilful than either England or Argentina, and the philosophy failed against them. Spain's percentage on possession, shots and corners was very high … but even England had a higher percentage on those.

It'll be an interesting final. The BBC described it as the final between "the two best countries never to have won the World Cup."


Entered at Wed Jul 7 19:06:04 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lotteries

Norm, re: the lady who has won 4 lotteries, Life may be a bitch, but not for her!


Entered at Wed Jul 7 19:00:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Fred: Remember that early '70s pop hit "Gimme Dat Thing" (or something like that) by the Pipkins? Wonder if there's any relation to the Pipkins of L'il Brown?


Entered at Wed Jul 7 17:19:28 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter, Last year the producers of some of Eminem's early recordings lost a similar suit against Universal in California. The jury in that case agreed was the defense's position that songs purchased online are no different from those bought conventionally as CDs in a store. The Allman Brothers case, however, is pending in a different jurisdiction (New York), and the outcome there could be different. It's not unusual to have differing rulings from different district courts in the U.S. Then it's up to the appellate courts and eventually the U.S. Supreme Court to sort it out.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 16:48:22 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. This comes up with books too. About five years ago, US authors were suggesting 75% to the author, 25% to the publisher in the case of unillustrated books. Everyone has since retreated to 50% as on normal licensing deals. I'm with the ABB on this one. It's a licensing deal, not a different kind of sale. A licensing deal is traditionally when another publisher (usually in a different country, or a budget publisher like Readers Digest, or book clubs) takes on the printing, distribution and accounting. The sum they pay was always split 50/50 between publisher and author in my contracts.

As I see it, iTunes is "another publisher" not merely a sales arm for the first publisher.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 16:31:17 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Run Through the Legal Jungle

The members of the Allman Brothers Band have sued two recording labels, Universal Music Group and Sony, over how royalties are paid for digital downloads. Earlier, a district court judge had dismissed their claim, but another judge later reinstated the case and denied UMG's motion to dismiss. The case is now scheduled for jury trial later this year.

The issue at hand is whether online music sales constitute a physical "distribution" or a new "licensing" arrangement. The labels are currently paying royalties for online sales using the old formula that treats such sales like that of physically distributed CDs or records, subtracting packaging, marketing, shipping damage & other costs. As a result, the artists receive only a few cents or less per sale. The ABB suit asserts that digital downloads should be treated as a licensing arrangement, requiring a significantly higher 50% royalty payment per sale.

Years ago, John Fogerty suffered the indignity of being sued for copyright infringement of his own work, resulting out of his decades-long, bitter litigation with his former record label over the copyrights to the CCR songs. After his infringement case went to trial, a jury returned a verdict in his favor. Mr. Fogerty later set a legal precedent when he was awarded attorney fees as a prevailing defendant, as previously such fees had only been awarded to prevailing plaintiffs in copyright cases. This 1994 ruling came in the U.S. Supreme Court in Fantasy v. Fogerty. In the opinion, this is how former Chief Justice William Rehnquist summarized the underlying issue:

"Petitioner John Fogerty is a successful musician, who, in the late 1960's, was the lead singer and songwriter of a popular music group known as 'Creedence Clearwater Revival.' In 1970, he wrote a song entitled 'Run Through the Jungle' and sold the exclusive publishing rights to predecessors-in-interest of respondent Fantasy, Inc., who later obtained the copyright by assignment. The music group disbanded in 1972 and Fogerty subsequently published under another recording label. In 1985, he published and registered a copyright to a song entitled 'The Old Man Down the Road,' which was released on an album distributed by Warner Brothers Records, Inc. Respondent Fantasy, Inc., sued Fogerty, Warner Brothers, and affiliated companies, in District Court, alleging that 'The Old Man Down the Road' was merely 'Run Through the Jungle' with new words. The copyright infringement claim went to trial and a jury returned a verdict in favor of Fogerty."


Entered at Wed Jul 7 16:13:59 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: News Flash!

Lotteries........ a woman from Texas has won multimillion, for the fourth time. Having won 5.4 mill, 2 and then 3, just won 10 million.........life's a bitch!


Entered at Wed Jul 7 14:42:39 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Kookaburra. I thought that was an appalling decision too. Music has always quoted bits from other tunes, often as mild humour. They could have had a couple of bars of Waltzing Matilda to illustrate Australia instead. I bet they wish they had now.

I thought of an example this morning. Mojo’s latest covermount CD is “Boss Sounds!” a selection of Springsteen’s pre-concert play-in tracks. It opens with Joe Strummer’s wonderful “Coma Girl” which Bruce covered himself at Glastonbury. In the lyrics, an aside is “doo-lang, doo-lang”. It’s a reference. It’s not a steal (though the same original “He’s So Fine” caused George Harrison so much grief). It’s absurd to say people can’t do that or to expect a slice if they do. It’s not the same as sampling a bass line to underun a whole song, which should lend you open to being sued.

On Jimmy Page though, I don’t think he has any defence. Led Zep were serial offenders in the nicking blues songs stakes, and while a naive 17 year old musician could be construed as ignorant, both Page and John Paul Jones were already hardened session guys who knew the 60s music business inside-out, and were involved on the busness side as well as the playing side . Because of that you have to rate it as a straight, knowing steal.

In contrast, McCartney spent hours contacting music publishers and playing them “Yesterday” because the melody was so strong he feared he might be channeling it from past memory. He wasn’t, but he was extremely careful to ensure he wasn’t. And Van Morrison will class an LP track as a “medley” with co-composer credits if he so much as quotes a couple of bars of (say) Sam Cooke. I guess that’s because both are genuine originators who value others works.

I was also amused to see that Van has caused a furore by banning people from bringing beer into seated concerts. I thoroughly applaud him. Recently you get people struggling along packed rows with pints of beer, then inevitably spilling it on others, then disturbing the entire row later to go for a piss mid-show. It’s happening at the theatre too as venues seek to maximize profits. I don’t want to watch amidst the stench of stale beer. We used to watch through clouds of smoke. Then it was pleasant. Now it's beer. If you can't go 90 minutes without alcohol, it's time for treatment.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 13:52:03 CEST 2010 from (90.239.73.235)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic countries

Subject: Dubble loyalties / Norbert

Here in Nordic Countries we have a Finnish minority in Sweden and a Swedish minority in Finland (The "father" of Linux, for instance.) Hard times in ice hockey, I can tell. But we celebrate with them all!!! We celebrate even the end of Ramadan!!! We celebrate Yom Kippur HALLELUJAH!!!

Norbert my take _TWO_ beers instead of one. In any case. - That is what I call diversity.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 10:31:38 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Streaming royalties

Jeff, try this formula for the songwriting percentage. You’re the producer. Decide on a songwriting cut. Then knock off 10% for “damages in transit”, deduct your expenses (paper, coffee, travel, room rental per square foot etc) from the money you owe yourself as songwriter. Stick on a hefty admin fee for calculating all that. Then agree to account annually to March 31st, beginning March 31st 2011, with monies to be paid six months later. Don’t forget to withold the correct percentage in case it’s taxable too.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 06:28:09 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

It's all new to me, Fred. I like that "Next of Kin" photo.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 05:11:13 CEST 2010 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, when a song of mine is streamed on Rhapsody, I get paid nine tenths of a cent for the full compensdation. Songwriting, sound recording, performance, publishing, etc.. . I'm not quite sure how to pay myself songwriting royalties from that.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 04:43:39 CEST 2010 from (99.141.36.212)

Posted by:

Adam

that film clip that brown-eyed girl posted shows (i think) Robbie's son playing his father's stripped Rock of Ages telecaster. That guitar has seen better days... it's the same one Robbie is shown playing in the Brown Album documentary DVD. I'd love to see that guitar restored to it's 1971 glory.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 03:58:23 CEST 2010 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Music From Lil Brown

Anybody ever come across/hear/own/know of this?


Entered at Wed Jul 7 03:56:53 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Knives

Or doesn't say a whole lot of shit that could be said.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 03:54:48 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: drivin home

Heard Guy Clark's 'Randell Knife' while drivin home today. It says a whole lot of shit that can't be said.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 03:37:34 CEST 2010 from (24.108.12.129)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: KOOKABURRA

Just read where an Australian court ordered Men at Work to pay royalties to the owners of a song called Kookaburra, saying that Men at Work ripped off the flute part of their song called 'Down Under', from Kookaburra. I've listened to it 20 times and I don't hear it. Some one here a few days ago said that some old blues guys were suing Jimmy Page for the same thing. I have a monstrous collection old old blues from the 50's and 60's and Page is sure as shit guilty. He didn't even try to change the riff's or chords.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 01:45:04 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Looking Back ------& forward

First of all, we're all pulling for you Norbert, so you can stick out yout chest with pride, which of course you can do already your team has done so well.

After looking at some of Del Shannon's work, and reminising, I dug a little deeper. After his suicide, I felt bad, like I did when Richard left. So I kind of left those thoughts alone after that. So I wasn't privvy to a lot that happened after that. His peers that were close to him, kept his memory alive.

At one point, he was to have joined the Travelling Wilburys after Roy Orbison's death. 1999 he was inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame. His achievments were recognized by the Rockabilly Hall of Fame. Runaway was voted the #1 Legacy song for Michigan. His song Runaway was recorded by Tom Petty & Jeff Lynne, one recording, with Bob Dylan playing harp in place of the organ solos.

He wasn't forgotten. The youtube copy of his 1982 concerts were great. A great looking guy doing his song that is immortal, and at that time, he sounded better than ever.


Entered at Wed Jul 7 00:44:05 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.81)

Posted by:

Steve

Norbert, good luck. Any chance you could try and have those orange uniforms switched for some nice PINK ones before the final? We could get a "GO BIG PINK" chant going here in the GB. Here's hoping this doesn't end in Tears Of Rage. GO BIG PINK, GO BIG PINK, GO BIG PINK!


Entered at Tue Jul 6 23:16:53 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Red Dog, USA

Subject: football

Yeah Norbert, I thought they were gonna tie it. Don't you guys have a dime package you can rotate into? Anyway...congratulations.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 23:15:10 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kansas City

Thanks for the news, Ray. Years ago I mentioned meeting someone from Kansas who swore he had an old open reel of Levon & The Hawks in Kansas City, 1964 or 1965 on their way between Canada and Texas. There's no record of such a gig anywhere and they never mention it. The guy promised to send a copy, but never did. I write it off now as never existing … unless anyone knows different?


Entered at Tue Jul 6 23:00:32 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Those last five minutes must have been incredibly stressful, Norbert! Anyway, you're through!


Entered at Tue Jul 6 22:28:57 CEST 2010 from (79.202.175.250)

Posted by:

Norbert

Yes! Holland – Germany next Sunday (if my friend Bill keeps his promise).


Entered at Tue Jul 6 22:15:26 CEST 2010 from (129.237.222.1)

Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence, kansas)

Subject: Levon Helm Band in Kansas City 07.05.2010

A pumped, feisty, and fun Levon Helm captivated the 5th of July crowd at the Crossroads in Kansas City last night...I was in the crowd and was privileged to soak up some of best music in America being played by some of America's best musicians...I will give more details later, but for now, Thank You Levon Helm and your extraordinary band!!


Entered at Tue Jul 6 21:51:50 CEST 2010 from (66.199.12.6)

Posted by:

Margo

Location: Nashville, TN

Subject: THE BAND

Wow!! What an AMAZING Group.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 20:53:52 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Norbert: You've been a great friend to us all, so I am prepared to suggest that we all cheer for Uruguay to save you from having to make that difficult choice. And if Uruguay loses we'll cheer for Spain tomorrow. Okay?


Entered at Tue Jul 6 20:35:23 CEST 2010 from (79.202.175.250)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Peter, Just home 5 min. to go. …If Holland – Germany, can’t help it but I’m still Dutch, although at the moment Germany plays much better and more beautiful than Holland nowadays (Germany plays our total football, remember 1974). Anyway let’s first beat Uruguay.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 19:47:21 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Orange shirt

Norbert, I've pulled on my bright orange T-shirt with 45 minutes to go. What are you going to do if the final is Holland v Germany?


Entered at Tue Jul 6 18:59:44 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Andy Johns is also a talented engineer who started out in the studio working the board for such groups as Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, Blind Faith and Eric Clapton. Later, he also engineered Joni Mitchell's landmark double live album "Shadows and Light". Glyn Johns' son Ethan is also a noted producer, as well as a multi-instrumentalist.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 18:24:14 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Bill M: It seems every time I turn on the TV these days and flick the channels - Florent Vollant ( one half of Kashtin ) is on some type of music show which airs on channel 12 or 13 - the same channel I saw the guy from Cano on........quite striking how diminished both guys seem on their own compared to how powerful they were together......

David P: That attention to sound is an intriguing area......some might laugh but one of the few metal bands of the 80's that I had any time for was Cinderella......their sound just jumped out at you....they were produced by Andy Johns.......what a combined resume the brothers Johns have!!! Above link: "Shelter Me" by Cinderella - enjoy...

and Juliet surely is naked when we start worrying about birthday wishes..........HQ' might just be on vacation......


Entered at Tue Jul 6 17:18:21 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Kevin: Andy Johns' older brother Glyn produced the first four Steve Miller Band albums. And Glyn Johns was also called upon to help mix "Stage Fright" for The Band.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:40:45 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: John Till with Plum Loco playing Ophelia
Web: My link

I'm not sure how I stumbled onto this one, but here's John Till's group. Plum Loco's been around Stratford since the mid '70s, with a bit of a hiatus when Ronnie Hawkins drafted John Till, then-drummer Gary Oatridge and then-bassist Ken Kalmusky into the Hawkins. (Kalmusky and Oatridge were still in the Hawks in '77 when Levon, Jerry Penfound and Dr John got up to jam.) That reminds me, Plum Loco's pre Hawkins keyboardist, Lee Van Leer, was also in the original Jack London and the Sparrows with Bruce Palmer. He's still gigging around town.

As for the lineup in the video, I believe that the drummer's Bill Hilton, another veteran who goes back to the early '60s, and would guess that the singer's Brian Pawley, another fixture.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:27:21 CEST 2010 from (76.66.27.88)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Otis Redding was king of the Sunset Strip in 1966
Goldmine Magazine

“I had my uniform on and walked into the Whisky. I sat with Dylan and his entourage, which I think included Robbie Robertson. I knew Elmer Valentine, who owned the club. Otis was as good as the album. The album is proof of the pudding. At the Whisky he was more sure of himself from ’63. He kicked everyone’s arse in,” Marchese confirms."


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:23:20 CEST 2010 from (76.66.27.88)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sunset Strip Movie Clip with Sebastian Robertson (Busboy)

Canyon Song written by Robbie Robertson? (Executive Music Producer)


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:15:51 CEST 2010 from (76.64.185.52)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Funny that after reading about Steve Miller in yesterday's GB I found the new Guitar Player in the mail and enjoyed reading the interview with him........He said a couple of things that stood out............1.) In his early days in Chicago he got a job with the Buddy Guy band but had to leave after about 6 weeks.......the reason: Buddy had a rule that the band would all down a shot of bourbon together before every set.....they played from early evening to 4 am every night and Steve just couldn't take that much alcohol!!...........2.) He was acutely aware of his "sound" from the very start and ensuring that everything he recorded at least sounded great. He claims that you could take just about anything he has recorded and play it now and it would sound like it was recorded that morning........Not sure if this is true as I don't have much of a Miller collection but it does strike me that everything of his that I have heard sounds really good - and I imagine Bingo does too with Andy Johns at the controls....................I have not had time to hear it yet but should at some point soon.........


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:07:29 CEST 2010 from (76.66.27.88)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Mayor of Old Yonge Street"...A Tribute To Ronnie Hawkins


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:01:37 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Fred: Just exercising my inner Jethro - in honour of both Mr BoDean (Band link: brother Sammy sang on Robbie's first) and Richard's horse in "King Harvest".


Entered at Tue Jul 6 16:05:02 CEST 2010 from (76.66.27.88)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROBBIE ROBERTSON!

Robbie signs Myron Zabol's _People Of The Dancing Sky_ and _The Band A Musical History_.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 15:40:01 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Judy Collins / Larry Campbell + Steve Miller

Larry Campbell appears on Judy Collins' newish "Paradise" (as do Stephen Stills, Jimmy Webb and Joan Baez). She did a lot of these tracks when I saw her earlier in the year.

Has anyone else got Steve Miller's "Bingo!" Reviews vary between 2 star and four star. At the moment I veer towards the former. Sweet Soul Vibe sounds like vintage Steve Miller, but I can't see much point in doing "Tramp" unless you can compete with Otis & Carla … which he can't. "Quicksilver Girl" came out as my most played track on iTunes last year (much to my surprise, but I can never hear it only the once), and I'd rate "Recall The Beginning … A Journey From Eden" as one of the greatest albums still not yet released on CD. So I'd count myself as pro-Steve Miller.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 15:32:10 CEST 2010 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Bill M: stop being soo naught-y. : )


Entered at Tue Jul 6 15:30:22 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jeez Ari, if you'd shared that happy news about Robbie's birthday a day ago we could have baked a cake and sung a song together instead of wasting time with Norbert's cipher. Naught goes into naught naught times, carry the naught ...


Entered at Tue Jul 6 13:00:05 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.208)

Posted by:

Steve

Robbie, once mentioned to me, in the 80's I think, that he hates being reminded that it's his birthday. He wants to remain forever young.

If he hasn't answered all those questions collected by his son by next year I will make a point of wishing him Happy Birthday in 2011. Be forewarned J2Rs.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 11:37:41 CEST 2010 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Who's gonna throw that minstrel boy a coin?

The Guestbook was busy yesterday running a check on Norbert’s mathematics. The fourth digit in line 6 should be 8, not 3, which was a typo.

But indeed, Happy birthday Robbie for yesterday.

On statistics, “The Author” repeats some stats on the brave new world of digital music, in the context of the excitement among writers about the purely hypothetical fortunes to be made from e-books.

An American site (www.informationisbeautiful.net) calculated how many downloads etc a musician had to sell to earn the “US minimum monthly wage”. This is how it runs:

Self-pressed CDs … 143

iTunes album downloads … 1,229

iTunes track downloads … 12,339

Then it points out that now music is often streamed rather than downloaded. To earn the minimum monthly wage from last.fm a track would need to be played 1,546,667 times in a month.

On Spotify, a track would have to be played 4,549,020 times.


Entered at Tue Jul 6 06:50:39 CEST 2010 from (74.101.156.127)

Posted by:

Ari

Yesterday was Robbie's 67th birthday. Shame on guestbook for not noting.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 20:53:11 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Another project that Steve Miller got involved with because he was on Capitol was Merryweather's "Word of Mouth" album in 1969. Merryweather was a quartet of Torontonians who'd migrated to LA in '68, where and when they did their excellent first album. It being the age of the super-jam, label and management connections were used to pull in contributions from Miller (who wrote and sang "Teach Me How To Fly"), Dave Mason (ditto for "Sundown Lady", Charlie Musselwhite, Barry Goldberg, Howard Roberts and Bobby Notkoff. Richard Bell had previously been in the group (when it was called the Tripp), group-member Ed Roth played on Daniel Lanois' "Acadie", and group-leader Neil Merryweather gave his cherished copy of the Canadian Squires 45 to Rick Danko in the '80s. (And, Kevin J, group-member Dave Burt is on all the Cano albums.)


Entered at Mon Jul 5 20:20:22 CEST 2010 from (68.171.235.237)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Steve Miller

Having just read an interesting interview with Steve Miller in Vintage Guitar magazine, I'll add a few things. Mr. Miller's father was a pathologist and amateur recording engineer who owned a professional Magnacorder reel-to-reel tape recorder. His hobby was recording muscians in nightclubs, which led to him becoming friends with Les Paul, Mary Ford and other famous artists, who would later visit the Miller home to listen to tapes. Les Paul and Mary Ford took young Steve Miller under their wing and gave him guitar lessons. Steve's playing quickly progressed and by age 12, while living in Dallas, he formed a band called the Marksmen, along with his school classmate William Royce "Boz" Scaggs. The two later played in bands together while attending the University of Wisconsin-Madison. For a Band connection, in the late '60s Capitol Records released a 3-LP box set, featuring recent albums from 3 of its rock groups. Included were The Steve Miller Band's "Sailor", The Band's "Music From Big Pink" and Quicksilver Messenger Service's self-titled album.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 19:34:34 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.153)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Interesting Bill M

I really enjoy BARK, but I probably wouldn't have bought the albums if in addition to you and Steve's enthusiasm, I hadn't found quotes from them on the web in praise of John Martyn. I really like the Willie P Bennet songs. Very enthusiastic about BARK.

There's a limited supply of reissued Bruce Cockburn albums in the local shop so which should I buy. I'm intrigued by the Cockburn album I bought rather than totally enthused. But as you suggested, perhaps it is a more difficult album I chose.

Used to have a Lonny Johnson cassette which wore out. Still play Django regularly.

Thanks, Bill. It's a pity we never met up in Toronto.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 18:40:00 CEST 2010 from (99.247.223.210)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: steve miller

all is true, reinforced by mr. miller himself from a chicago concert dvd from a couple of years back. btw, i think jacques idea about randy meisner has some merit. i checked out you tube and listened to some of randy's solo work and there was one song called "gotta get away" that was similar in a few spots to Rick Danko's "new mexicoe". also Garth's work with the burrito system, and Randy's depth of experience with country rock, could really add to a reconstituted Band. beautifull music


Entered at Mon Jul 5 18:08:26 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.57)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I heard the version of, Dazed and Confused, by Jake Holmes who is suing Jimmy Page for stealing the song which he wrote in 67.

Page heard the song while a member of The Yardbirds and then recorded it with Zep in 69 and took credit for the song.

If you hear the song by Holmes there's no doubt it's the same song, almost identical.

Holmes waited too long to sue for all the royalties from the song but is able to try and collect the income from the song for the last 3 years. His suit is for 1 million.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 17:15:52 CEST 2010 from (90.239.86.243)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Dylan and guestbooks

I visit from time to time the "paysages" where Dylan is supposed to have been written "Desire" album. That is Les Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer. A beautiful name to a village. There is a tiny butterfly museum in these "paysages" which is proud for showing Dylan's hand-written comment in their gb. When I fooled around as a deputy moderator at Norbert's I had indications that Bob Dylan was at least lurking there. You'll find it in "The Chronicles". Butterflies and The Band... hmmm...

A personal note to Steve: This is the day when our TV stops to show news from Quebec for free. I am too greedy for paying. I will miss you. Take care.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 17:11:46 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I tend to be skeptical of Bachman's stories about himself (e.g., how Jimmy Page asked him in the late '60s to be in Led Zep), though I'm more accepting of his stories about other people. Certainly Miller and Skaggs go way way back, farther even than the earliest SMB (which Skaggs was in), so why not age 12?


Entered at Mon Jul 5 16:49:27 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.44)

Posted by:

Steve

Northwestern Coastal Guy From Nordic Countries, the worst part of the Bachman story is that I now can't take any information he passes on as being sound.

I don't know a lot about most of the musical history of the 60's and 70's, at least not as much as I know about Dylan and The Band. I listen to his program mostly for the stories he tells about touring and recording back in the 60's and 70's. I listen knowing there's a good chance he will start singing. It's a risk I was willing to take til now.

I now have to consider his info as suspect.

For example, on Saturday night he was talking about Steve Miller. He said that Miller and his friend Boz Scaggs played in a band together as 12 year olds. Is this true? He also said that Miller got his first guitar lesson from Les Paul. he said Mr. Paul was a friend of Miller's father. True or false.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 16:21:15 CEST 2010 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Dunc: You're right - I do agree that Jack Bruce is the greatest and most influential Scottish music-maker. Bruce's first biggish gig before leaving Scotland for London was when he replaced bassist Jim McHarg in what had been McHarg's own group. The understandably miffed McHarg soon set sail for Toronto, where he established another largely Scottish trad band, the Metro Stompers. He had the great idea of hiring jazz-guitar pioneer Lonnie Johnson to be the special guest for a couple of weeks - which turned into a couple of months circa '65. Certainly Neil Young made a point of catching him playing in Yorkville, and I suspect that Robbie - and possibly Garth - would have made the pilgrimmage too.

The last few albums that I listened to were Charles Mingus' "The Impulse Story", BARK's "BARK" album, Peter Boyd's "Beulah Land" and the "Pirate Radio" soundtrack. The Mingus includes the awesome "Better Get Hit In Yo' Soul", which I once chatted to Garth about. The BARK includes a song, "You're So Easy To Love" that was co-written by Tom Wilson and his current colleague in Lee Harvey Osmond, Brent Titcomb (far left in photo at link above; Dunc: "Lucifer's Blues" is a David Wiffen song), who was a member of Young's folkie Yorkville clique in the '60s; the album also includes a bass-driven and punkish hard-rocking version of Bruce Cockburn's "Tie Me To The Crossroads" that sounds like "Live at Leeds" era Who. As for Peter Boyd, Trontonians with time on their hands this Wednesday evening might stroll over to the Emmet Ray Bar on College West to catch one of his very rare live performances. Highly recommended.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 12:44:24 CEST 2010 from (90.239.99.150)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "Dylan's Band" (more seriously)

Steve, it makes sense. Nowadays Dylan is touring as "Bob Dylan And His Band - In Concert and In Show". I find it amusing everytime I see the poster hanging on the wall.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 12:36:38 CEST 2010 from (90.239.99.150)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: NORBERT'S THREAD: 5496333784561099393693048531368044344887926194198532520694117049056247 2568424395482058851927075593679213263223991649095444601504350463483987 5025610104140864608504908534119526789608399222986117684072414622768253 6214908304427395812519474546086831288010236639735783766919573127540345 2575089566044810413932116060031762894505524988451285440971813773606694 0163946473467668970711919689863460271936750837609798272198814318196353 5086770723528603185438692855503864007605689811533968043988986405766599 4634626982653271152473969190655534329764726804924235126863461599117918 7453007805890829071114522894672065623217961791812204851353664903930975 3565419938168852881272755213408072890621434530416560019423439471934830 8488558728285338553045399661579902802268940348808763480359167736446637

Norbert's thread should keep Professor Hoiberg busy for awhile ... or eat icecream instead :-)


Entered at Mon Jul 5 12:34:49 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.7)

Posted by:

Steve

Jan, I particularly liked the part about the freeing of Iran and it's oil from the commies. Some things never change.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 05:13:01 CEST 2010 from (138.88.157.112)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Wow, Pat, what a nice fairy tale for the 4th of July! They never cease to entertain. I wonder what the guys who wrote that platform would think about Michael Steele . . .

J.F.


Entered at Mon Jul 5 00:32:40 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.213)

Posted by:

Steve

Have a Happy 4th, Joan. But take it easy!


Entered at Sun Jul 4 22:46:48 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Oldies - Runaway - Del Shannon - 1982

As my youngest daughter & I were reminising over old songs from her childhood, and then we slid way back into mine today, I found this real cool youtube. The beginning conversation between De Shannon and Burton Cummings is cool.

Just as "Whiter Shade of Pale", this is one of those "signature" songs that is unto it's self.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 22:42:26 CEST 2010 from (79.202.177.233)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Math

I just found this on the www (but for a slight correction the same) see the link. Anyway, just handy to know .…

Question:

“If you had an infinite number of monkeys sitting at an infinite number of typewriters for an infinite number of years typing at random then it could be accepted as a probability that one would eventually type the lyrics of both The Weight and Dixie.”

My wife and son say that that this view is incorrect.

Answer:

“We'll do some calculations on the fly here to see how long this process will take. Got a calculator handy? First of all let's find out how many 572-letter possibilities there are for the monkey to type. We have 572 characters, and 27 choices for each character, so there will be 27^572 possibilities (that's 27 times itself 572 times). Punching this into my calculator... er... okay, on second thought better use a computer....I get the following number of possibilities:

5496333784561099393693048531368044344887926194198532520694117049056247 2568424395482058851927075593679213263223991649095444601504350463483987 5025610104140864608504908534119526789608399222986117684072414622768253 6214908304427395812519474546086831288010236639735783766919573127540345 2575089566044810413932116060031762894505524988451285440971813773606694 0163946473467668970711919689863460271936750837609798272198814318196353 5086770723528603185438692855503864007605689811533968043988986405766599 4634626982653271152473969190655534329764726804924235126863461599117918 7453007805890829071114522894672065623217961791812204851353664903930975 3565419938168852881272755213408072890621434530416560019423439471934830 8488558728285338553045399661579902802268940348808763480359167736446637

It's a big number, about 5*10^818. “

“one more mind-blowing example. A typical digitized picture on your computer screen is 640 pixels long by 480 pixels wide, for a total of 307200 pixels. Using only 256 different colors, you can get decent resolution. Now if you take 256^307200 (256 times itself 307200 times) you get... well, a pretty big number, but a finite number nonetheless. That's the number of different images you can have of that particular size. Any picture you would scan into a computer at that size and resolution will necessarily be one of those images. Therefore, contained in those images are the images of the faces of every human being who ever lived along with the images of the faces of every person yet to be born.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 20:00:35 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: 4th of July

Hope everyone is having a good day. Its really hot and muggy here.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 16:11:17 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: The Band

I forgot about Randy Ciarlante yesterday, he had a birthday yesterday...I won't mention his age, I don't want him ticked off at me.

OPHELIA: I don't know whether Dylan or Robbie owns the rights to the music that came out of Big Pink. I believe some of the "Basement Tapes" were discovered to have been made at a later date. Unlike Bachman, my memory is impaired and I could be wrong about a lot of this.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 15:09:39 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.139)

Posted by:

Steve

Bachman also went on to share an interesting lack of knowledge about The Band.

He mentioned that the Band were called The Band because when Dylan "adopted" them Dylan wanted them to be referred to as "Dylan's Band" so they never had need of a name and then just were called The Band after splitting with Dylan.

He also had Dylan and all the members of The Band living at Big Pink.

Then to further display his ignorance of The Band and their music he played The Weight but kept referring to Fanny as Annie.

He followed up The Weight with, Born To Be Wild, saying that because of it's inclusion in Easy Rider, Steppenwolf got world wide exposure, completely missing the connection between the two songs in the movie's soundtrack.

Bachman always emphasizes the fact that he never did drugs back in the 60's and therefor while he was at many wild parties of that era he remembers more of what happened than most people. He should have inhaled.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 13:42:45 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.126)

Posted by:

Steve

Here's another name to add to the jam session that took place on the Festival Express, the night of the stop at the conveniently located liquor store next to the tracks.

Last night on his radio program, Vinyl Tap, Randy Bachman mentioned that he boarded the train for the night and was part of that rollicking session.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 12:15:36 CEST 2010 from (90.239.102.49)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Lars/Nobert/Scottish names

Thanks Lars for your lines. In opposite to you The Band died with "The Last Waltz" movie for me and therefore this site is a ghost town.

Norbert is dreaming. Just came home from Netherlands last night. Instead of soccer the Dutchies were occupied by facebooking with their fancy Macs. YIKES!!!

Her Royal Highness The Crown Princess Of Denmark has a beautiful Scottish name: Mary McDonald. It could be a title of a ballad sung by Joan Baez with The Dubliners... right, Peter V? :-)


Entered at Sun Jul 4 11:51:23 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.153)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

JQ:still performing as far as I know. He was even out Joe J's way last year. To my shame I've not seen him.

Although I like folk music, what I really like(among other types of music) is the musicians/singers/songwriters that started out in the folk clubs or were influenced by folk then took it to a new, different and exciting level - Neil Young, Stealers Wheel, John Martyn, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Pentangle, Sandy Denny, Joni Mitchell. I love the story telling in Robbie's songs, or the musicianship of John Martyn. 'Solid Air' would break into my Band dominated Desert Island discs.

Lars:Interesting, but sad story.

Ophelia:I agree. I would love to hear Band concerts and would willingly pay for them. I thought there was a hint that there was going to be a release of a Band concert.

Here are the last 5 albums I've played.

The Blue Nile: 'Walk Along The Rooftops'. Bob and David's posts made me give it two or three plays. But I remember reading an article where Bob Dylan was talking about what he liked in music. He said that what he liked was bass, drums, lead guitar, organ, harmonica. I could agree with that, but I do love Rock of Ages and albums with horn playing.

Solomon Burke:'Home In Your Heart' - the best of the Atlantic years. - great stuff.

The Beatles:'Revolver' -working through them all since McCartney's concert - brilliant album.

Sandy Denny:'Like an Old Fashioned Waltz'. When Fairport interviewed Sandy for membership of the group, they said it was like she was interviewing them...and for me she was always the most important band member. I think the musicianship on this album is great. But some writers say it's overproduced.

John Martyn:'Cooltide'

I did play MFBP, just before those albums.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 07:09:00 CEST 2010 from (24.159.157.52)

Posted by:

Ophelia

Subject: Bootlegs

Just like Bob Dylan's bootlegs were officially released in "the bootleg series", why can't The Bands bootlegs be officially released? Most of them are solid performances by The Band and have excellent sound quality. Does anyone know why none of them have been released?


Entered at Sun Jul 4 06:22:18 CEST 2010 from (68.255.7.104)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Happy 4th of July. A link that needs no comment.

The dust has settled on Pickett's Charge. And Vicksburg will surrender today.


Entered at Sun Jul 4 03:21:09 CEST 2010 from (166.135.59.110)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Scotty singers

Dunc - Any idea whatever became of the Scottish trad singer Andy M Stewart?


Entered at Sun Jul 4 00:35:42 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.153)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Dlew

Hi Dlew:You can't get a more Scottish name than Robbie Robertson.

Unless it's Roderick Stewart.

But seriously, the two Scottish acts I play the most are John Martyn followed by AWB. Bert Jansch and Frankie Miller are great.

Maybe the most influential is Jack Bruce. Bill M would concur with that. I still play Cream.

If you google most popular Scottish bands, you'll get results that show Teenage Fanclub. Not my era.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 23:43:14 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.66)

Posted by:

Steve

Norm, you doing comedy these days, or what? Yes you'll get all the tax money back on the business stuff, well most of it any way. We've been doing the rebate dance for 17 years. All the added paper work to get the rebates is just a bonus.

Then there's all those other things that don't get rebated. All the stuff in the rest of your life that's not business expenses. That's what I'm counting on you for to help support our standard of living here in The Nation Of Quebec.

As far as the wood splitting goes, if I was splitting wood to heat a house in southern BC I'd be doing it with a butter knife. But I'm not, try keeping a furnace going from early October til the end of April 24/7 then we'll discuss splitting by hand vs hydraulic splitting. Then throw in enough wood to heat a few more homes that we sell locally and you'll hang up your axe.

The only wood I split by hand is soft maple and ash, I can do that stuff faster that the splitter.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 23:25:51 CEST 2010 from (91.42.250.173)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Lars

thanks


Entered at Sat Jul 3 19:26:59 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lars

As always beautifully put.How sad that some folks just can not let things be. Its inevitable with a committee. No good deed goes unpunished. Glad that you were rewarded by that harvest moon.

Happy July 4th to all. Don't eat too many hot dogs. :-)


Entered at Sat Jul 3 17:48:02 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the woods

Subject: How do I avoid going through all these things twice?

How did all of this start? What got me interested in The Band to begin with, and how did things get so off track when everybody, with maybe one or two exceptions, seemed to have good intentions?

Like a lot of people, I was drawn to The Band when I saw "The Last Waltz." I liked the movie, so I went out and bought some of their albums. At first their voices seemed similar and I had a hard time telling Richard from Rick. By 1990 I wasn't sure if The Band was still together. In August of 1993 I saw them for the first time and I have to admit I was disappointed in the performance. And Danko had changed a lot. Looking back, I guess I thought they would all look the same as they did in 1976. That was unrealistic but I continued listening to the music and letting it weave its spell on me. I discovered a new Band, one with a heavier Rick Danko and a greying Levon Helm. Richard was dead and Robbie had left. Garth seemed the same. Three new members tried to fill the void. The sound was different as the played the old Band standards, but Levon still sang a lot of the leads and that was attracted me to the Reformed Band.

By 1996 I was going to every Band show I could get to. Somebody on the Pine Bush Harvest Festival Committee was asking about the band and they wanted me to try to book them for September. After meeting with the committee and warning them that it wouldn't be cheap, I went into an area I wasn't qualified to be in: booking a major band and putting together a concert with all the trimmings (and trappings).

I still have the notes from the summer of 1996. I called up The Band's road manager Butch Dener and he was kind enough to keep me pointed in thje right direction. I called Ron Rainy, the business manager, and was told I would have to make an offer before Mr. Rainy would even look at the idea. A woman named Marsha handled the phone calls. She revealed nothing, and there was a problem knowing how much to offer since I had no idea how much they charged. I became amazed at how complicated the process was: offering the right price to the Band, lining up a radio sponser, getting advice from people in the music business, doing research on a sound company, getting back to the committee and keeping them abreast of what was happening, and I'd be damned if I was going to admit that I didn't know what a sound board looked like, but I knew one was going to be needed.

I blundered through most of it and the only thing I had going for me was a committee's good will and Butch Dener's amused cooperation as I ran into more and more requirements. Lighting (actually not needed for this outside venue and a daytime concert), concessions and refreshments, insurance, security, porta-potties, advertising, parking and permission from the local police force, site electricians, hospitality room and catering riders, advertising and rain insurance. And a lot more, including handicapped provisions. And Garth had to have a quiet place to sit before the show.

To make a long story short, I managed to put it together and I eventually received a contract from the booking agent The Agency Group. I still have it and its right in front of me. Everybody involved seemed to be cooperative and have "good intentions." Except for the committee. They became divided about who would get top billing and receive the most money. The Lions Club no longer trusted the Fire Dept and the Ambulance Corp was going to pull the provided ambulance if they didn't receive the proceeds from the concessions. And I sat their one night and watched them tear down my idea. They looked at the contract and consulted their lawyer and they killed it inside of an hour.

I felt bad for Butch and I bought him two dinners to Lake Mohonk with my own money. I was kind of amused on Sept 28th, the day of the concert. I went over to the back of the local highschool and I stood where the crowd would have been, behind the rented fence. We would have made a lot of money. I looked at the area where the flat-tops would have been, carpet on the top and risers for Levon and Randy's drumkits. And sure enough, the Harvest moon came up right where it was supposed to, and hung there above the music that should have been made.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 17:39:50 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Forever More!!

Lars! Do you hear this guy????? It's hard to believe, he even admits it! He's such a pissant he's got to use a hydraulic splitter. That's not splitting wood. That's manufacutring it. You're a coward....which......doesn't really suprise me anyway.

Why do you keep whining about this tax? The way my business works, I get it all back anyway. It is readily apparent, like most everything else, you don't understand it.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 16:43:22 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.1)

Posted by:

Steve

I'll take you up on your splittin challenge , Norm. ANY DAY!

Of course like Jaws', or was it Lurch's challenge, the only rule is, there are no rules. So I'll be showing up with my homemade, four foot long, 4 inch diameter, hydraulic cylinder, splitter.

Since you're in your 60's, I'll use it with my White 2-60, which is also in the 60's, HP wise.

I won't use the 90 horse Landini which pumps almost one and a halftimes as much oil per minute. I don't want to over tax you. You're probably still getting use to that new Harmonized Sales Tax. I'd never take advantage of a man who is already stressed.

Is this a speed or endurance challenge? I'm fine with either. What's the wager?.

Ill be back later this afternoon when I'm finished baling for the day. I put no limits on whatever you decide as suitable stakes.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 16:17:23 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, try to get some rest.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 14:55:38 CEST 2010 from (59.101.34.82)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey Dunc!

Most influential Scottish singer?: ... hmmmm ....

ian anderson, jethro tull

annie lennox

'donald where's your troosers'? ;)

Mind is a little blank... I know I'm missing someone really important...


Entered at Sat Jul 3 12:11:50 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.221)

Posted by:

Steve

Thanks for drawing my attention to that confusion, BOB. It was, Lurch, he was fighting not Jaws. My apologies to Lurch who didn't like being confused with Jaws, as he often was.

Another obvious reason to make that mistake; Paul Newman; a pool shark, Jaws: a great white shark, sharks sometimes fight each other. Easy mistake to make.


Entered at Sat Jul 3 10:15:47 CEST 2010 from (79.202.171.210)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Thank you

On behave of Holland, me and my entire family; thanks dear posters.. We’re back on earth (aching head)


Entered at Sat Jul 3 06:15:37 CEST 2010 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Rock of Ages Cleft For Me

Choppin' Wood.....I'll take on any body in this whole gawd damn outfit! The 5 pound Arvika that I swing has cut more firewood & shake blocks .....for cedar shake roof material than most of yuz will ever see in yer life time.

The piss ant little fire wood poles y'all cut down there are match stick material! Cuttin' the fire wood we cut out here Steve would last about as long as a snow ball in hell.

Fightin wimmin with fry pans......gawd damn it! You just shoulder 'em, pack 'em down and toss 'em in the crick and let'em cool off a little. Then chase 'em back to the gawd damn house to make some bread or sompin' like 'at.

My mom's up stairs right now talkin' with Susan over my bad behaviour....so I snuck down stairs. Waiting for my daughter & son in law, and my newest grand daughter to get here for my mum to visit with.

I come in here and got to listen to all this con-tro-versie. What in hell is an adjective anyways Bob?? Some kind of dangerous farm impleement?

I just got back from another trip, moving two barge loads of equipment. Grapple yarders, log loaders, logging trucks, fuel trucks. Had a great trip nice weather....until yesterday morning. Unloaded at Brem River. Just as we finished, (and I'm at the beach, right up against the wharf with no room between that and the booming ground, and a long shallow beach), the wind started howling! I got to back that big barge of mine out of there with out hitting anything, or being blown on the beach. All my buddies who I've just moved all this stuff for are standing on the beach laughing at me mind you! I spun myself around and got it out of there!.....only sailors get blown off shore.

By the way Norbert, my son is elated that the Dutch wiped out Brazil! There were several "Flyin Dutchmen" as I understand it.

So who said........"I just want ta break even?"


Entered at Sat Jul 3 05:30:57 CEST 2010 from (69.177.231.184)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Now I don't mind choppin wood, and I don't care if the money's no good

Sure Steve, the Band and wood are a perfect fit....from Virgil Cane choppin wood right through to Whisperin' Pines (although Pine makes poor firewood).

I just knew that one of these days, this long simmering rivalry between Canada & the US would end up with an almost Octogenarian Mom wielding a cast iron frying pan. It's all fun and games until somone gets hurt!

Just remember Steve, that Lars has worked with a lot of stone over the years....that kind of work can make a gentle man tough....but it also makes a man patient....Your Mom may have met her match with the man who's bare knuckle boxing name shall from now on be known as "The Rock of Ages".


Entered at Sat Jul 3 01:36:26 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, I have to ask. Who played Jaws in that one?


Entered at Fri Jul 2 22:22:22 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.144)

Posted by:

Steve

Box, I wouldn't describe what she does as boxing, exactly. I'd say her style draws more from Paul Newman in his encounter with Jaws in Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.

Her stance, she comes to win.

Her favorite "tool" is the cast iron frying pan used both as a swinging weapon or in the manner , Odd Job, uses his bowler. Running away is not recommended. She likes nothing better than a moving target to cast her pan at.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 20:34:58 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Rev Bill's Campaign Center in LasVegas

Steve- I've been advised that if I do get into a fistfight, I'm supposed to win. Please send photo of your mom, including her boxing stance. Also wondering if she kicks after getting an opponent down...I hate getting kicked.

Congratulations to Holland for their World Cup victory over Brazil.

I should get back to watering the gardens. Beautiful day here in the lower Hudson Valley of NY.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 20:20:31 CEST 2010 from (173.178.181.156)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Norbert, the owner of the company I work at is Dutch and lives in Oirshot. He's flyng in Monday night for a semi-annual meeting with us on Tuesday. We're doing great so I imagine it will be a quick and fun meeting, followed by a fabulous lunch in a place with a big screen television. Go Orange!


Entered at Fri Jul 2 19:16:41 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norbert

I can only imagine the scene in Amsterdam. Congratulations!


Entered at Fri Jul 2 19:02:01 CEST 2010 from (70.51.157.220)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

And a happy Dominion Day to you, too, Angie. Glad you had a good night there in Massey Hall t'other night. Stay well.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 18:57:49 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.123)

Posted by:

Steve

I wouldn't advise it Lars, I'd wait til she's into her 80's in a year from now. But, It's only a recommendation, do what you gotta do. I'll hold your hat if you like.

Todd, wood talk and the Band seem to be a good fit, wouldn't you say?


Entered at Fri Jul 2 18:40:02 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Down Along the Cove

I guess my favourite charity right about now would be Rev. Billy's campaign fund. Contact Lars about pre-authorized deductions from your bank account.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 18:26:09 CEST 2010 from (79.202.164.89)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Holland beats Brasil: history written

Only moments ago Holland has beaten Brazil, never forget that please. Every Dutch woman, husband, grandmother, dog and baby will talk about this for at least a hundred years. It’s carved in our memory and our genes are already changed. Life will never be the same again. Strange things are happening in the tropical Netherlands right now, the sun shines brighter, there’s a long night a comin’. Cheers.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 16:56:36 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the woods

Subject: A blood curdling scream from the wilderness

STEVE!!! You ever smackdown my woodpile again I'm coming up there after your mama!!!!!


Entered at Fri Jul 2 15:40:17 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Fairport Convention

Fairport Convention's "Unhalfbricking" album, released prior to "Liege and Lief" in 1969, was heavily influenced by The Basement Tapes. As their producer Joe Boyd recounted in his fine music memoir "White Bicycles", the group got to hear a copy of the tapes through Feldman's, Dylan's London publisher. "Unhalfbricking" included covers of Dylan's "Percy's Song", "Million Dollar Bash" and "Si Tu Dois Partir", a cajun-flavoured French version of "If You Gotta Go, Go Now". The album is also notable for two original masterpieces, Sandy Denny's "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" and Richard Thompson's "Genesis Hall".


Entered at Fri Jul 2 14:59:30 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.223)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Correct

Correct Joe J - nominate a charity and I'll pop in a tenner for you. Liege and Lief was voted the most important English folk album of recent years by BBC liteners.

Aberdeen is a booming oil town - but a trip to Scotland would be great - it's a beautiful country.

I'm going to a concert tonight to see Michael Marra, crowd of about 150 there, but brilliant wordsmith.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 14:25:07 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Discrepancies?......Steve?...........Say it ain't so.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 13:39:34 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: quiz

I'm going with Fairport Convention and 'Liege and Lief' because I believe there was a similiar discussion here before. If someone can explain what 'liege and lief' means, I'd appreciate it.

Dunc, I've got a cousin who works for BP and lives in Aberdeen. He used to beg me to come visit but now he says the city has gone to hell and if and when it should be at another locale. Still bound and determined to get there someday. I had an uncle, a logger by trade, who served in the Forestry in Scotland during the war. Actually quite a few Newfs served in that unit; for many it was a steppingstone to regular service, for others a way to avoid it.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 11:15:43 CEST 2010 from (86.171.74.223)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Quiz, Dlew, Joe J

Here's the quiz question. I think I heard Big Pink for the first time round about 1972 and have always had a copy ever since. (The first Band album I heard was the Brown album.)

I also got a copy of the album that's being talked about, about the same time, and have always had a copy ever since. I didn't at the time realise that Big Pink was an influence on that album. I play both regularly. If you haven't got both, your record collection is not complete.

'The other decisive factor was Music from Big Pink. They had always been enamoured of American roots music and singer song-writers. The Band hit them hard. They couldn't stop playing the lp. They loved it, but they were shocked. It was so deeply American, so fully immersed in the roots of that culture, that ............ felt that the goalposts may have been moved too far away. They could never inhabit that space occupied by The Band. But perhaps they could accomplish something parallel to Big Pink if they set their minds to it. Maybe they could create a repertoire as English as The Band was American.'

Well, what band and album is being talked about?

Ten pounds paid to your favourite charity for the winner. (Scottish branch.)

No googling.

Joe. Thanks. Used to go there for my holidays before it became oil town. Good of you to get a version with Richard Manuel in the picture.

Dlew. Thanks. But who do you think is the most influential Scottish band or singer?


Entered at Fri Jul 2 06:29:35 CEST 2010 from (76.68.82.100)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

As I was walking to Massey Hall I saw someone wearing a Levon Helm T. I thought....I bet a lot of people who will be here tonight were at the same shows I saw Levon perform before such as at The Silver Dollar with The Barn Burners, Jeff Healey's Club with The Barn Burners and Jeff Healey, Massey Hall for a Hawk Tribute along with Garth and Maud Hudson and many others including Dom Troiano (played "A Change Is Gonna Come" channeling Robbie!), probably not at The Blues Cruise in NYC with Sumlin, Johansen and Vivino.....but maybe even in 1983 with Rick Danko.....
As it turned out the young woman sitting beside me with her dad by her side was born only a year later. She told me that her dad turned her onto The Band's music via TLW. Any Band song that was performed....she knew every word. When she told me that Levon and Rick were her favourite Band members.....Well...I told her who my fave was after I told her all the times I had seen Levon...and right away she scrunched up her face and that gave me a rotten feeeeeeeling.

Theresa Russell was the only one that I hadn't seen perform before. I had seen Campbell with Dylan and liked his playing and singing although Dylan rarely gave him that opening....Weider I had seen in NYC with The Gurus. He seems like such a sweet guy and puts a lot of effort into his playing. But....someone was really missing for me.....It was hard to get past it everytime I heard a Band song.....

I was looking out for JD and his son who I had met at a BARK show....and then....JD appears on stage just like when I first met him at Hugh's Room when he introduced Garth Hudson and Eric Andersen. I can only imagine how joyful he felt introducing Levon. Levon gave him a hug on stage and then gave props to the crowd by bowing as they honoured him by giving him a standing ovation right from the start. Or was it the other way around? I was also looking out for Bill Avis and his son who is Levon's Godson. I had met them at a Festival in Cobourg, Ontario. They were probably backstage.

Hey Cobi....This one's for you...."Ophelia". We sure had fun when we saw Johnnie Johnson with The Weber Brothers, eh?

Anyway, I was just hoping to hear Levon sing, sing, sing for the first time and from the first song he did. I think he was saving his voice for the country that gave him some refuge at one time. I think he said that he's been waiting since 1959.....
I really liked when Theresa Williams and Amy Helm sang "It Makes No Difference" and "All La Glory". They were the songs I dug the most because I'm a Band fan and they harmonize very well. The songs I really like from Levon's two latest solo recordings weren't performed....

I was very happy for Levon that he was shown a lot of love and appreciation in Toronto. A lot of us know his history both personal regarding his health and his trials and tribulations and his professional life as a musician with The Hawks, Dylan, The Band, Reformed Band, solo recordings and solo recordings with The Levon Helm Band with Larry Campbell who seems real comfortable in his role with Levon more so than when he was with Dylan......Not really surprising as Dylan's a songwriter and therefore more protective of his own creativity and work.
Levon's a fighter and did things on his terms. He should really cover one of Paul Anka's (Canadian) songs ........"I Did It My Way.".....

I saw John Hiatt at our Blues Festival and he played keys that night. This night he was on guitar and every time he played something from The Tikki Bar Is Open....I was smilin'.....I think when he began his show he said that he was sharing the stage with Levon who was one of his heroes. He also said that they've really moved on up in the world now that they were playing at Massey Hall. Sure John....lol

Two limos were waiting out front. Hmmmmm.....I had to catch a subway and streetcar....

Happy Irie Canada Day Mark and Bonk and Bill M and Kevin J and NB and NG and Serenity and Nomadic Mike and joe j and Westie...Any other Canadians out there? We saw two free films at our new Carlton Cinema..."Up In The Air" and "A Single Man". Thanks also to the Americans who wished us a happy day. I'll be away during your day so I'll say Happy Irie July the 4th now. :-D


Entered at Fri Jul 2 06:26:44 CEST 2010 from (69.177.215.20)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Lost Chord

This has to be the only music website in the world where you can come an enjoy some good firewood smackdown talk. There's something kind of refreshing about that. I have a fondness for good firewood myself, but I can't compete with Lars or Steve in the firewood department. I cut some trees down a few years back, and only cut and split what we needed for the next winter season. I left the rest of it on the ground in the woods thinking it could dry out and I'd cut it up and get it the next season.

Something happened and I missed a season or two and then the wood started to rot.... that part of my woods gets a lot of undergrowth and is tough to get to to work it except for late fall and early winter. We finally got around to burning the rest of it this past winter. But I don't think I'll win any awards for my wood pile.....some of it even had ants in it. That'll make for a cracklin' fire!


Entered at Fri Jul 2 02:51:30 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: for Duncan in Aberdeen

Like I said.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 02:24:05 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: foggy dew
Web: My link

Subject: Memorial Day

'Provehito in Altum'. It means 'Onward through the fog'. Motto of our school.

Today was Memorial Day down here on the island. I was at the ceremony up on the hill. The link is to our anthem. Give it a listen why don't ya.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 02:17:35 CEST 2010 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Larry Jon

Holidays over. Back to much work. 10-12 cords of birch and spruce is a years burning if you're depending on wood. When and if I retire I'll go back to wood.

Sad to hear about Larry Jon Wilson. One of many artists to whom I was introduced by the GB crowd. Link is to 'The Whore Trilogy'.

Been listening to the Joneses, Norah and Norm. Also Amy Winehouse, Billie Holiday, Hank and Charlie Pride.


Entered at Fri Jul 2 00:32:53 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: To tell the truth

I don't need your slack, Steve. And I don't know what Norm has to do with any of it. I remember it very well: I owed you money on a football bet and we were going to have a beer together. You called my house the morning you were leaving and it sounded like you wanted to come here. I told you it wasn't a good time. End of the story- the true story.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 23:46:34 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.12)

Posted by:

Steve

That's a nice story, Lars, about the visit. You should have told Norm the same one back then. The one he relayed to me at the time was quite different but then again it was different from the one you told me at the time so I'll just cut you some slack and just chalk it up to you being a teller of tales who finds it hard to keep it all straight. Cheers, no hard feelings.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 23:34:32 CEST 2010 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

What a great honor for John Donabie to introduce Levon and his band at Massey Hall. John is a great friend and I am truly happy for him. Great stuff, John. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 22:39:24 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Are you asserting that he's more than just a few logs short of a cord?


Entered at Thu Jul 1 22:08:40 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Pump, I remember the last time you were planning on coming here, it really was awkward for me. You called up like an eager puppy and I had to finally come out and say that it wasn't a good idea. I don't want you here, nothing personal, okay? Please don't put me in that position again.

I don't know for sure, but I have a pretty good idea that your "cord" is not the same as a "full cord." You are probably talking "face" cords, which would mean I have 9 cords to stack, not three. A full cord is simply 128 cubic feet of firewood. And mine has been cut and stacked for over a year, nice black ends with checks in them...stored in my backwoods. I just brought it over for use this winter. I just have to get it stacked and covered, to keep it dry. Nice split logs of ash and red oak, with some hickory and sugar maple here and there. Anybody would be proud to have this wood on their pile. They say that firewood warms you three times: once when you cut it, again when you move it to the pile and stack it, and finally it warms you in the dead of winter when the air is so cold and the skies seem like they're always a heavy, cloudy gray.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 19:06:34 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Playlist

In rotation this week are two recently released neo-traditional country CDs:

PATCHWORK RIVER -- Jim Lauderdale has teamed up again with Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter on a fine new album of original songs. Guest musicians include James Burton, Ron Tutt, Gary Tallent, Al Perkins, Patti Griffin, Kenny Vaughan and Doug Lancio.

OUTLAW -- Mark Chesnutt with his wonderful voice, as big & deep as his home state of Texas, covers a dozen classic "outlaw" country songs. Producer/arranger/guitarist Pete Anderson, best known for his work with Dwight Yoakam, lends a hand. Mr. Chesnutt's versions of Willie Nelson's "Bloody Mary Morning", Hank Jr.'s "Whiskey Bent and Hell-Bound" and Waylon's "Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line" (written by the late-great Jimmy Bryant) alone are worth the price of admission.

And on the turntable, Mobile Fidelity's new 180-gram LP reissue of Little Feat's classic DIXIE CHICKEN.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 18:50:21 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.212)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, you're only getting around to stacking firewood, it's goddamn July, hardly worth doing it now unless you need to save space. Ours always gets done the fall before. I prefer to get jobs done early, stay ahead if you know what I mean. It allows for more posting time.

Those farmers you were talking about yesterday, the ones that never stopped working were probably just kinda slow and disorganized, like you sound with that wood.

3 cords takes a little over half an hour to stack, if you're good at it and don't sit down every five minutes, hardly worth mentioning.

We, the boys and I, after we cut 30 for the house and workshop cut and sell between 50 and 60 cords a year for some beer money.

The wind is blowing from the southwest so tomorrow the weather will be warming up, the garden will resume it's upward and onward march and we'll be back to haying after a 5 day delay because of constant showers and cool weather.

If you still haven't got that wood piled by the end of July, let me know, there's a good chance I'll be in your area headed to Woodstock and will stop in to give you a hand and share a couple of beers. Cheers


Entered at Thu Jul 1 17:57:04 CEST 2010 from (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Happy Canada Day!


Entered at Thu Jul 1 17:45:08 CEST 2010 from (204.210.144.110)

Posted by:

Lars

Happy Canada Day.

Norm, I got another 3 cords of wood to stack and I'm finally done.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 17:24:00 CEST 2010 from (99.146.120.128)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Happy canada Day

Also on Canada Day 20 years ago, Andy Hawkins for the Yankees threw a no hitter and lost. and then had it taken away a year later. remeber listening to it on the radio, in canada, on vacation.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 17:14:40 CEST 2010 from (70.92.154.196)

Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: July The First

HAPPY CANADA DAY TO ONE AND ALL


Entered at Thu Jul 1 09:09:11 CEST 2010 from (121.73.137.113)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: TLW in 3D

Do you really want to blink every time Levon hits his crash cymbol?


Entered at Thu Jul 1 02:18:03 CEST 2010 from (173.34.111.81)

Posted by:

Mark

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Massey Hall Ramble

Review above from the Globe and Mail. Great music last night. Evoked the spirit of W.S. Walcott.


Entered at Thu Jul 1 00:32:12 CEST 2010 from (64.11.26.89)

Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, in the mid 70's at Providence College and other New England colleges I'm sure, those kind of easy, grade raising courses, were called tit courses.

A polling group ran a survey of 1,000 Canadians asking them to chose from a list of 30 prominent Canadians the people they'd invite to have a Canada day BBQ with them. Two of your favorites, P.E.T. and Neil Young, tied at #6. Sea Lion Dion was #3. Terry Fox and The Great One were 1 and 2.

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