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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, May 2013


Entered at Fri May 31 23:22:54 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: Dave in MA

Hi Dave - it might be this one?


Entered at Fri May 31 17:24:22 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, Niagara-On-The-Lake lacks the heart shaped beds and mirrored ceilings advertised on the hotels in Niagara Falls. I do remember my kids asking 'Why do they want mirrored ceilings?' as we drove by. My explanation was so that you could see if there were any mice on the floor near the bed without turning your head.


Entered at Fri May 31 15:59:52 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Niagara on the Lake

That was indeed good advice, Peter. It is a beautiful part of Ontario and has many attractions. It allows one to stay in a safe somewhat quiet environment (it can get very busy during summer-tourist season). It has some lovely countryside, wineries, the Shaw Festival, the closeness to the other BIG attractions, and of course the potential to cross to the USA for shopping (if that is what you want). It is a lovely place to visit and there are some very nice small inns and some quaint shops and restaurants to visit.


Entered at Fri May 31 15:54:45 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Eglinton LRT

The Eglinton Ave LRT will go from Jane St in the west to Kennedy Rd (with a stop at Leslie (site of the old Inn on The Park). It will link up to the Scarborough LRT. It is a welcome addition to the Toronto Transit system. It will provide a relief from the congestion of midtown. Where I live and work in Toronto, at Yonge and Eglinton, it is very busy and traffic is a real problem. As noted, with the stop at Leslie, there may be a future for the site of the Inn.


Entered at Fri May 31 15:50:55 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 1992

As well as being a rock star venue, the Inn on The park was very family-centred, at least in August it was. We were advised to stay there by our editor at the time who was from Toronto and told us it was great with kids. She was also horrified when she heard we were planning to stay in Niagara Falls, and instructed us to switch to Niagara-On-The-Lake, which was excellent advice too, and a place our kids still recall fondly. We did ignore one bit of her advice on Niagara Falls, which was “Do not cross to the American side. You will be robbed over there.” We weren’t as it happened, but it was definitely (even) less salubrious than the Canadian side.


Entered at Fri May 31 15:13:47 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria intermittently

Subject: Inn On The Park Toronto

The Inn on the Park Toronto was a fixture in the city. Many stayed there. It was the jewel in the crown of Isadore Sharp and his company and rightly so. During its tenure, it attracted many. It had good restaurants (for a hotel) at a time when good restaurants in the middle of town were at a premium. It also had a major fire and as is noted in the news, 6 died. There are others here who know more about this and may wish to comment. It is now the location of a car dealership but the newer building still stands and there may still be a future for it, though the location may be difficult (a little out of the way) until the new transit crosses Eglinton Ave. (by 2016 perhaps).


Entered at Fri May 31 10:05:47 CEST 2013 from (94.173.178.152)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: The far side

Subject: Hash Browns, scrambled egg and salmon

I checked with Osaba who's been going far longer than the internet. He says that's what you had for breakfast that day Peter. Hard to believe but as Sandra knows he ain't a guy to be messed with.


Entered at Fri May 31 08:15:04 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter v

Subject: Dylan at the inn

Bill, we were staying at the Toronto Inn on the Park in August 1992- those were the days when people actually bought educational video so we used to get paid for working. It shows how the world has changed, as now you would Google events in a city you were visiting, but you used to wait till you arrived, and buy the newspaper. So journalists and printers got paid too in that era. One morning the black tour bus was in the car park. I thnk there were two. We asked the waiter at breakfast who it was and he said they were forbidden to divulge information about guests, but the review section in the newspaper I was holding would be a good clue. Dylan. So he also stayed liking the Inn on the Park over many years.

The kids were young and we had just arrived, so I don't think I would have attended anyway. Interestingly, Google just let me date that conversation exactly in about ten seconds. But it didn't have what I ate that morning listed. But in a few years time, it will.


Entered at Fri May 31 06:10:48 CEST 2013 from (68.196.243.251)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Dave from massachusets- John Sebastian? You and Me, We Go Way Back? If that is it, richard played killer drums on it.

Your question- I;ll let you do the googling and find it.


Entered at Fri May 31 05:05:01 CEST 2013 from (108.7.209.140)

Posted by:

Dave in MA

Location: MA

Subject: Music Video that had Richard in it

Does anyone recall the mid-'80s music video that had Richard appearing in it? He was lip-synching backround vocals and wearing a light-colored blazer, if I recall correctly.


Entered at Fri May 31 04:31:38 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.82)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Rog and Pete: Dr Osaba's magic did the trick I'm now a believer. Thank you Sandra!!/n Speaking of the Inn on the Park, last wweek I typed but accidentally erased a longish post, directed to BEG about local guitarist who she knows and who I'd just seen do a 'storyteller's night in a nearby pub. He's buddies with Dylan and told some cute stories about various encounters, including being summoned out to the Inn on the Park and finding Dylan sitting in the dark in a chair by the tour bus in a distant corner of the parking lot, waiting for Paul to show up so they could play some old blues under the stars right beside the tracks.


Entered at Thu May 30 20:21:27 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

If you go to their website and slide through the photos or check "Conservatories" these are second floor (US third floor) suites with a private terrace. In the photo the terrace wall looks much the same now, but the building opposite has been replaced. I guess a corner one would have two views, one over the park. Problem: it's going to cost you £590 or $900 for one night bed and breakfast to reproduce that photo.


Entered at Thu May 30 18:34:28 CEST 2013 from (94.173.178.152)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Brum UK

Subject: Inn on the Park

Yes - problem solved. It's just round the corner from the Hilton and is directly opposite the Intercontinental - which replaced the building on the left of the pic in Hamilton Place. Easilty seen on Street View.


Entered at Thu May 30 18:31:25 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Problem solved, Roger. The Inn on The Park, like its Toronto namesake, was the London Four Seasons … I think it's reverted to The Four Seasons now. It shows The Band's choice of accommodation was loyally Canadian, as at that time it was a Canadian-owned chain. So I guess the view is onto a street off Park Lane, or Park Lane.

Against recreating the photo is the difficulty of getting in, then getting out with any money left should you decide to invest in a cup of tea.


Entered at Thu May 30 18:21:48 CEST 2013 from (94.173.178.152)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: The Inn on the Park

The photo appears in 'Across The Great Divide' and the caption says The Inn on the Park. If my memory serves me well that was the Hilton. But my memory may not be serving me well...


Entered at Thu May 30 18:01:04 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Band played the Royal Albert Hall on June 2nd 1971. This is why a Kensington hotel fits … proximity to the Albert Hall. OK, on Saturday I'll be parking in Hammersmith for £12 and taking the bus into central London (where parking would be £36) and the bus route goes right past the Royal Gardens Hotel and Albert Hall. I'll try to remember, sit upstairs on the bus and look! The bus benefits from having a bus lane and being free to people of my advanced years in the UK, so is quicker than driving as well as cheaper and less stressful.


Entered at Thu May 30 17:53:46 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in London photo

Well, Getty has the rights . . . .

The photographer was Gijsbert Hanekroot & the shots were taken on Jun 1 (or Jan 1) of '71.
Mr. Hanekroot has a 'contact' button on his website (gijsberthanekrootDOTcom), so I suppose one could ask him . . . .


Entered at Thu May 30 17:31:33 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Bangles

I hadn't realized that 'Manic Monday' was written by Prince. But now that I listen to it again, I hear the connection. Seems like a close relative to 'Rasberry Beret'....pretty cool.

Another great Bangles song is the Jules Shear penned 'If She Knew What She Wants'. One of my favorites.


Entered at Thu May 30 17:23:13 CEST 2013 from (79.110.2.96)

Posted by:

Szlaban

Location: Poland
Web: My link

Subject: szlabany

Best regards by szlaban!


Entered at Thu May 30 17:13:04 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Of course, Prince wrote and produced a demo of Manic Monday with Appolonia two years before he gave it to the Bangles. Obviously, the Bangles knew a good thing when they heard it and copied it note for note. It seems Prince also had a thing for Susannah.


Entered at Thu May 30 16:32:19 CEST 2013 from (97.81.222.55)

Posted by:

Jimmy Nelson

Web: My link

Subject: Another from the new series on the Band

The next installment on this new series on the Band called "Across The Great Divide" focuses on an amazing early Levon Helm vocal -- "Yazoo Street Scandal." Always loved that song. RIP.


Entered at Thu May 30 16:21:50 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Garth and Don Henley

Among Garth's many session credits I'd forgotten that he played on Don Henley's 1982 solo LP "I Can't Stand Still." Garth, along with Steve Porcaro (from Toto), added synthesizers on the song "Talking to the Moon." Mr. Henley co-wrote this fine song with J.D. Souther, a moving tribute to small town Texas where he grew up. If you have a copy of this album, check it out.


Entered at Thu May 30 15:50:23 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Wiki says it was always called the Royal Garden Hotel from its opening in 1965, so forget that one. I'm trying to remember where I saw the reference now. They're wearing the same clothes on the cover of the This Wheel's On Fire boot (see link), and leaning against what looks like the same wall, but the ground is tiles not pebbles. This time there are no buildings opposite, so maybe that's a clue … a hotel facing buildings on one side, but not on another.


Entered at Thu May 30 15:18:51 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.83)

Posted by:

Bill M

Sandra: Thanks for sharing your happy news. Perhaps the good doctor could help Peter V and Roger identify the London hotel for Imar?


Entered at Thu May 30 14:35:47 CEST 2013 from (41.203.67.55)

Posted by:

sandra

Location: usa

Subject: the spell caster that can help me bring back my husband

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Entered at Thu May 30 11:58:36 CEST 2013 from (94.173.178.152)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Hotel pic

I always thought they stayed at the Hilton which is across the park from the RAH. I've just explored with Street View on Google world however and can't find the buildings opposite. But neither could I find those buildings opposite the Royal garden in Kensington. I know that place - I've spent days in dull meetings there and the building opposite are all low level.


Entered at Thu May 30 09:28:34 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Band photo

Years ago I recall someone saying that the picture was tken on the roof of "The Kensington Palace Hotel". I googled and there isn't one with that name any more. Though hotels change names with such frequency as they change from Marriot to Hilton to Crowne Plaza ownership, that it might have been once. The name does seen familiar. As the buildings opposite, if it is indeed Kensington High Street, would only be 4 to 6 floors high, it must be a lower terrace, not the actual "roof". I don't know when it was built, but this was 1971 when they were at their peak in tour terms, I suspect the Royal Garden Hotel which looks one way on to Kensington Palace gardens, but front on to the street. That's always been five star.


Entered at Thu May 30 09:20:22 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Take a load of / off Fanny

You have to differentiate between girl groups, which are vocal only, and girl bands where they sing and play. Fanny were the early girl band and claim they were given the name by a British producer and had no idea of the British meaning, a story too unlikely to be true. I mentioned a few months ago that I was playing one of their singles and said 'Great! Who's backing them?' an ultimately sexist statement, because they were backing themselves.

I'd agree on The Supremes for vocal groups, but only because The Crystals, The Ronettes, Bob. B. Soxx and The Blue Jeans had shifting line-ups. I'm with Brian Wilson on Spector girl groups being some of the greatest rock records of the 60s.

I spent ages trying to trace an aside in an article that The Band had played on Red Bird sessions for The Shangri-Las to no avail, though they did cover You Cheated, You lied and erroneously said it was composed by Levon Helm.

In the last few years there are a lot more female musicians on stages, especially in folk-oriented bands. Far more girls than boys do music lessons, and I wonder if the increasing popularity of violins on stage is a sign of more girls joining bands, as it tends to be the early choice. It's a statistic than a higher percentage of women can sing in tune than men. There are also lots more mixed gender bands … by which I mean men and women, rather than glam rock bands with uncertain identities.

The Staves are wonderful.


Entered at Thu May 30 07:20:49 CEST 2013 from (220.233.229.98)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Go gos vs bangles...

On the one hand, manic Monday. On the other, our lips are sealed.... Which is the better song? I have o vote for the latter


Entered at Thu May 30 06:33:35 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Great seeing two Orig6 teams going at it. Hawks are 8 games away.

Are The Staves a girls group?


Entered at Thu May 30 04:54:11 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Girl Groups

I have exactly one song on my iPhone. It's the Ronettes, 'Be My Baby'. I do have more songs on my computer, but like to have that particular with me at all times.

I'm with Peter V. on the Bangles. Much more interesting than some of the other girl groups such as the Go-Go's. (Lord help me..... I can't believe that I just typed that in The Band guest book). Truth be told, I'm still not sure if it's anything about their music in particular, or the delectable charms of Ms. Susanna Hoffs that captured my attention.

I do enjoy the Beatle and Byrds melodic influence in much of their music.


Entered at Thu May 30 04:23:32 CEST 2013 from (67.84.76.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

I've not paid attention to the lyrics, but the few times i saw the Pistol Annies on TV they were really good. Three chicks,including Miranda Lambert, and all guy sidemen.


Entered at Thu May 30 04:14:23 CEST 2013 from (67.84.76.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Bonk- i'm glad you made it.

Buy orgnaic hemp seeds and organic flax seed , sprinkle it over your food, it'll help. If you still need more fiber, just print out the pages here, grind em up, add it to your food, better stay near a bathroom.

David, I;m not about to go back to Valentines complaint to check, but the dates MAY differ. I THINK she also claimed that there were several different ways farewell tours were to happen, but she insisted that it was nto to be a farewell tour, and they all finally agreed the tour was not a farewell tour and would no longer be promoted as such. So there's likely some discrepancies but that's okay. There's lots of info there, and you may bereAding other sources.Like i once said, 5 bandmates, at least 6 versions of the truth.

Lars -


Entered at Thu May 30 04:08:31 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.84)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronh

Bonk: Good that you're still with us! As for Jackie / Jay, neat thought but not a chance. Jackie left town for good in '70 or '71, but Jay was on the scene, fronting the Cougars, by '67 when they played the inaugural Caribana event. (Part of their set from the first weekend, including an early Marley cover, ""Bend Down Low", appeared on a near-instant album that was on sale by the second weekend!) So they overlapped here for a number of years. Jay, who I know pretty well, would be very pleased with the comparison. Jackie I've lost touch with, but he would appreciate that people still remember him and care.


Entered at Thu May 30 03:39:02 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: Diverticulitis

Remember Kids to eat your Fiber! And lots of it! I just found out the hard way. Just spent 6 days in Acute Care in the hospital. Hooked up to IV, morphene, the whole nine yards. Scared the living shit out of me. Thank god they got to it before it burst or I'd have been seeing some of the Boys long before I wanted too.


Entered at Thu May 30 03:29:59 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: Bill M and John D

Bill is it just me or does Jay Douglas sound eerily like Jackie Shane? Made the hairs stand up on my arms. Jackie disappeared when? Jay came along when? You don't suppose...


Entered at Thu May 30 02:59:16 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Be Good Tanya's

JT, good call about the Be Good Tanyas. Especially when Jolie Holland was still with them. Another somewhat acrimonious split as far as I know. Link above is to their awesome reedition of 'Lakes of Ponchatrain'.

Something about this tune reminds me of the Dylan and Hawks vibe during the Basement Tapes era. Country with a dash of soulfulness.


Entered at Thu May 30 02:19:39 CEST 2013 from (83.82.232.6)

Posted by:

Imar

Subject: The Band in London photo

Dear guestbook!

About a month from now, another young Band fan and myself will be meeting in London, England. To establish continuity with the past, we would really, really like to take a picture together at this particular place: http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/band_mm_05221971_uk.html

The thing is, neither of us really knows where it's at. Does the place even still exist? Please, internet, you're our only hope.

thanks in advance!


Entered at Thu May 30 02:02:50 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.84)

Posted by:

Bill M

Lars: I picture something more like Holmes and Moriarty, locked in a guitar-duel-to-the-death at Rickenbacker Falls


Entered at Thu May 30 01:52:40 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Girl Group

The ultimate girl group is The Supremes.


Entered at Thu May 30 00:38:12 CEST 2013 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Vic

Subject: Be Good Tanyas

Since all female groups are on today's topic list, let me suggest the Be-Good Tanyas. Not a rock group but an acoustic group with 3 excellent musicians who put it together effectively. They are from the left coast and I highly recommend them. I am not a fan of the Go-Gos but thought Bananarama was very good. Is Sleater-Kinny an 'all-girl' group? They are very good.


Entered at Wed May 29 23:21:15 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Just Another Manic Wednesday

But now I come to think of it, it wasn't The Go-Gos sound guy, it was The Bangles. Anyway, I prefer The Bangles.


Entered at Wed May 29 21:21:02 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Canuckistanian secret: sisters

Not your common-or-garden girl group, maybe - but they use good sidemen . . . .


Entered at Wed May 29 20:50:23 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

John D: You had to ask! I love the Tiaras - Jackie, Shawne, Arlene, Colina; Betty replaces Shawne, Brenda replaces somebody ... Two 45s under their own name, plus back-up appearances on a Grant Smith and the Power 45, a Pat Hervey 45, the Cougars 45. Saw Betty at the George Olliver thing that Bonk posted about a couple weeks ago, and shared a hug with her two weeks ago at the Bentroots CD release thing. She'd sung a song on the CD and was there to do the same. (Pat B: That'd be Ed Roth's current group, as discussed.) Can't think of any direct Hawks links, aside from the fact that for sure for sure at least some of the members of each would have shared the stage at the Bluenote in the first half of the '60s.

The link above is to a fairly recent rehearsal involving Jackie, the leader of the Cougars and pianist Bill King - whose name some here may recognise as the original pianist in Janis Joplin's Kozmic Blues Band. (Vietnam called, so he moved up to Toronto before the group recorded.)


Entered at Wed May 29 20:38:57 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I once had dinner in Spain with someone who used to do sound for The Go-Gos.


Entered at Wed May 29 20:35:03 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: reruns

Subject: The Pat & Billy Show

Mike- I read the book, it ends badly. Billy gets busted for pirating bootlegs in Turkey and has to do hard time. Pat, ever the gentleman, parachutes into the prison on a foggy night in an effort to set Billy free, but is mortally wounded by a guard. Ironically, in the chaos that ensues, Billy tries to carry Pat on his back in a desperate dash for freedom, but is cut down by the Turkish warden's 10 year old son, who is studying Boolean algebra on the veranda and happens to be packing a RPG, given to him by his militant grandfather. The ending is very much like "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid," with the two crawling out a doorway only seconds after the child reloads.


Entered at Wed May 29 19:16:15 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Girl Groups

OK. Can we move on now to Bananarama; or the Bangels, Vanity 6, Salt-n-Pepa? I'm in for The Pointer Sisters. Just wondering???? Can't wait to see all the threads. Hey Bill M, how about the Tiaras? :-)


Entered at Wed May 29 17:03:43 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, the WWII show is Friday, 7pm Eastern on Nat Geo.


Entered at Wed May 29 16:07:59 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Going to a Go-Go

Jeff: Not to split hairs, but Ms. Valentine began her Twitter memoir about Feb. 2010. A "Farewell" tour was scheduled for July of that year, but Jane Wiedlin suffered an injury and that was cancelled. Later, after receiving complaints from the others, she deactivated her memoir, and performed with the group when they resumed touring in 2011.



Entered at Wed May 29 15:58:55 CEST 2013 from (184.145.67.233)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thank goodness for the Pat & Billy show. I love those guys.


Entered at Wed May 29 15:06:11 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Catch XXII

Pat B: Being paid to not tour sounds like being paid to not grow alfalfa, except that with alfalfa you got paid more to not grow more whereas Cindy or whoever appears to have hit her ceiling. Moving from the Hellerish to the simply Hellish, my calendar notes that tomorrow evening is when 'your' WWII doc airs on the NatGeog network.


Entered at Wed May 29 07:56:32 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.145)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Pat,your humility knows no bounds. . even so, when it cones to putting words in people's mouth, i'd appreciate it if you would avoid doing that in my case.

When Valentine eventually wins her case, or they reach a settlement, it will be because the other 4 Go Gos have violated several business contracts several ways , including preventing her from touring.

Paying her not to tour is your deluded take on the reality of the siutation.

I don't know, maybe you are getting at some aspect of this i don't see- Is there some parallel to the other 4 Band members making a deal with RR that you see that I don't see.Are you saying they paid RR not to tour? I thought they made a deal with him becuase he had a 1/5th legal claim to the name, and they were partners. Then again, maybe you have known all along why RR hasn't been performing live all these years. You could have shared your knowledge with the rest of us. Hey, if you can get paid for performing without performing, why perform? Pat, just like you think, you really are smarter than the rest of us... the first one to figure it out. Holy fucking cow- i been wrong about you all these years....now, i really am impressed.


Entered at Wed May 29 06:26:16 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: The No-Go's

I was always more of a Bangles fan, and thought that their original bassist Micki Steele, was also one of the most musically talented in the group, even if she didn't get as much of the spotlight.
The link above is a performance where Micki was featured. It's a ferocious live version of the Yardbirds classic 'I'm Not Talking'.

However, as far as the No-Go's kerfuffle is concerned, I think it can be stated even more simply as:
She wants them to pay her.

My take on it is, if she is legally entitled to 20% of the business that she helped to build and own, then she is legally entitled to it.

If however, she signed a contract that said she would succumb to some sort of tyranny of the majority, then she will get squeezed out by the others. But the original contract should be pretty clear.


Entered at Wed May 29 06:03:12 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Yes, Jeff, you are correct. They are going to pay her to not tour.


Entered at Wed May 29 05:45:30 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.145)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

David- according to the complaint, Valentine memoir tweeted during a tour. not before this major tour.And when band members commented, she apologized and removed the memoir. A few years ago i think. . Also,. it wass after Carlisle's own vivid, spare no truths autobiography, and after a bare all VH1 episode.

And if you read far enough into the complaint, apparerntly the conspiracy against here was put into effect during a previosu tour, while she was injured.

i know next to nada about the GoGos, and really could care less.But,like someone told me, fair is fair.


Entered at Wed May 29 03:51:47 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.145)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: The Short Hair Blues

While the parallels probably are few, it's obvious that there's some parallel between THe Go Gos case and the SITUATION in the early 80s when 4 of 5 Band members wanted to tour without inviting the fifth. To use the name The Band, the four members who wanted to tour together, without RR, had to make a deal with RR. Whether that happene3d before or after the fact, i;ve not a clue. I've no knowledge of any of the particulars, but apparently it did not have to go to court. Here's a case where unless the four have proof of some legal violation of the corporate contract, Ms Valentine, much like RR ,has an ace in the hole. If she has not violated some clause, they'll likely have to buy her out to get rid of her, or make some other kind of deal.

Breaking to read the complaint.

Pat, my limited mentality is clearly not imaginative enough to realize links may be in red. Once you pointed it out, i went there before posting what i wrote above. that's one helluva long complaint.I only made it past halfway, through item 52. I must say, the complaint makes my argument stronger. And yours more peculiar Pat. Many ways. thirty plus years of several legal partnertships and solid musical performance and authorship is solid legal ground. One thing that junmped out at me was item 24, that by 94 the band agreed that all members were permanent and protected, if one could not make a show or our for any reason, she'd get her 20% of all monies associated and pay the replacmement out of her pocket for the performance(S). Another was 38, that no transfers of rights or interest are permitted,, 39, and a whole pile of em. Also, apparently Valentine is the most serious musician in the group...there's a lot in the band's history that stands out too, along with VH1 episodes with band members talking openly in detail about their drug and alochol abuse. And how many times other band memebrs have wanted to ditch other band memeebrs but Valentine claiming she was the only one who always said she woudl not perform without all of the other 4. And that noone evere goit ditched even though many attempts were amde to do so. There's plenty more .

I'm no lawyer, but in legal terms, i'd say Valentine has em by the short hairs.

And when you got em by the short hairs, their hearts and minds are sure to follow.



Entered at Tue May 28 21:25:40 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P., yes, telling all usually causes nothing but headaches.


Entered at Tue May 28 21:09:05 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, it's linked to the article. Of course I read it then offered my thoughts. I like to be informed. It's very satisfying.


Entered at Tue May 28 21:03:52 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

The world has gone topsy-turvy. Remember back in the day when a guy could get kicked out of a band for NOT taking drugs?


Entered at Tue May 28 20:19:54 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Twit - ter

Regardless of what Ms. Valentine "tweeted", just before a major tour, regarding who used or abused what, it's just another example of what can happen when someone posts candid thoughts or photos for all the world to see, without forethought of the potential consequences.

In this day & age, think twice before you hit submit, or you can end up looking like a twit.


Entered at Tue May 28 19:29:18 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.141)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Well,Pat, you wrote "I ended up reading the bassist's legal complaint..." that doesn't mean you read it when you posted your original post. I guess not being astute enough to locate a legal document certainly does make me a country bumpkin. David, your last sentence makes it seem that she was tweeting about alleged alcohol and drug abuse by her bandmates, not that she was the abuser. I'm curious which is the case.....Fact is, unless she violated some clause in the partnership contract, it makes legal sense that they have to buy her out or pay her. not create a different firm to run the business to avoid paying her or share or avoid her participation that would entitle her to her share.

I would imagine If a man is married to a yente (gossip) and he loses his desire for her,that does not legally allow him to replace her for daily life and sexual purposes and relegate her to a guest house and poor means in another town without her having some legal recourse on adultery and abandonment charges.

there are state laws. And look at a different case- conjugal rights.What if a wife wants to have sex with her husband, but the husband doesn't want to have sex with her- but he gets sex elsewhere and cuts his wifes allowance and househokd funds to next to nil- can he deny her legal claim of comjugal rights and her share of their property ? More importantly Pat, - do you actually think she'd be suing for her share without earning it?

what if four partners in a factory decide they no longer care for the personality of a fifth partner. Can they prevent his/her participation and cut his share of the business without buying him or her out.They have to pay that partner. unless some clause addresses behavior,even if that partner does nothing, they have to pay him till they buy him out. In this casse, apparently Valentine wishes to perform her duties. So the other 4 may actually be in violation. Would it be fair to say the fifth partner wnats to get paid without working? After thirty years, he, and Valentine, have equity, work invested, and legal rights to their share. PErsonalities have nothing to do with legalities. Writing "She wants them to pay her for not touring" is oversimplifying and insulting which whiel it ginores the facts, is alos an odd phrasing. "For not touring" almost puts the onus on her.*Though she is not touring *would make it more of a open ended questionable case. And it is clearly open.


Entered at Tue May 28 18:41:02 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Go-Go Girl Be Gone: Bitter over Twitter?

Having read Kathryn Valentine's lawsuit against her former band members, it's apparent, as she herself admits, that a memoir that she posted on Twitter in 2010 contributed to the situation. Included in the some 1,900 tweets were disclosures about alleged alcohol or drug use or abuse by other band members.


Entered at Tue May 28 18:14:18 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

I'm sorry, Jeff. I can totally see why my post would seem creepy. I ended up reading the bassist's legal complaint and it pretty much boils down to no one wanting her around anymore and her trying to get a piece of their upcoming tour without actually touring.

I'll be honest. It is satisfying to have an opinion that is based on the facts of a case rather than a gut feeling that comes from reading five short paragraphs from the Hollywood Reporter.


Entered at Tue May 28 09:23:49 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.7)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Well, Pat. She is not touring, that is correct. She wants her legal share of what she would have earned had she been permitted to perform her duties as one fifth of the partnership. If that means the same thing as what you typed or not, I am not sure. It's possible that you don't even know if that does or doesn't mean the same thing as what you typed.
"for not touring" is very vague, but, no she is not touring.I guess it would be for greater minds than I to know, but maybe you are correct in a very weird, non defintive, non specific, and creepy kind of way. I wonder, can that be satisfying?


Entered at Tue May 28 07:36:22 CEST 2013 from (99.141.54.175)

Posted by:

Adam

Thank you everyone for wishing me a happy birthday. It was a very nice weekend for me!


Entered at Tue May 28 05:29:26 CEST 2013 from (70.24.110.72)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Jed....Graham Parker.....Now we're talking.
I saw him in the 80's at our Masonic Temple Lars......He's edgy....He can deliver his lyrics with so much punch and attitude. He was always my Dylan from England. I would love to see him again. He was in a film a couple of years ago.....

Mick Taylor Solo From 'Time Waits For No One' (1974)

"Time Waits for No One" has additional importance as it is seen as one of the final strains between the original Rolling Stones members and Mick Taylor. Prior to this time, Taylor had added his own riffs and flourishes to songs by Jagger and Richards, as did all the band members. However, after the song was written, Taylor asserts that his contribution to it was of main significance. As co-writer with Mick Jagger (during a period when Keith Richards was frequently absent) Taylor mentions that he had Jagger's assurance that he would receive songwriting credit (as well as for "Till the Next Goodbye") alongside usual credited composers Jagger and Richards, but he did not. His assurance had been such that he had mentioned it in an interview, prior to the album release with the recording, and was chagrined to find from the interviewer that no songs had credited him.[citation needed] It is this snub, along with the decision by the other Stones to head to Munich and begin recording the next album instead of touring in support of It's Only Rock 'n Roll, that was a major reason for Taylor's abrupt (and unexpected) resignation from the band.[citation needed]"


Entered at Tue May 28 03:49:21 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

She wants them to pay her for not touring.


Entered at Tue May 28 01:35:35 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.7)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Of what were rated as the top 10 Law schools for Entertainment Law studies, 6 were in California, 4 of those in Los angeles. Two were in New York city, One in Massachusets(Harvard), and the other in Nashville.


Entered at Tue May 28 01:26:12 CEST 2013 from (173.3.50.7)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Former Go Go's bassist sues bandmates

This is an interesting article from many viewpoints. It certainly does seem like this woman has a case. I coul see the other 4 buying her out, or hiring a different bass palyer and still giving her the share of the moneys she is legally entitled to. But the tactic they devised certainly appears to be illegally circumventing a legal partnership without her consent. It's not like she volunteered to leave the act,and she does have legal rights.

What i really got a kick out of is the link near the top fo the page that advertises for top entertainment law schools. I got to go look.


Entered at Mon May 27 18:51:30 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Marco and Grahm

Left out Marco Benedetto on keys and Grahm Parker for also delivering first class performances at last nights dylan birthday bash in Bearsville.


Entered at Mon May 27 16:28:17 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: RS at ACC

Midnight Rambler from ACC. Observations... Very good: Mick T excellent. Charlie sits like Buddha watching over the proceedings and making sure all is in order. MJ is still amazing... quality performer... the band is tight and there can be no complaint about what is being put forth. The songs stand up well. Dirty guitar riffs and great bluesy feel to music. Still up there form me since 1963 when I first heard them. They still do it and they do it well!


Entered at Mon May 27 15:30:04 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Pay attention

Thanks for the recommendation. There is nothing more refreshing than being alerted to a new music artist that you did not know. Joseph Arthur is the real thing.


Entered at Mon May 27 14:47:43 CEST 2013 from (69.158.29.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Midnight Rambler" with Mick Taylor and The Rolling Stones at the ACC.


Entered at Mon May 27 14:45:03 CEST 2013 from (69.158.29.229)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Kevin J! You made me laugh again!!
I loved the Dylan performance. As far as throwing it all away......Anyway, Oh how I would have loved to have seen Mick Taylor play on "Time Waits For No One"........I can't even express how much I dig his playing here. I wish I had the musical language to communicate better.
Ron Wood is fun to watch......but he can't play like that. Now speaking about Ron Wood.....When it was his turn to get some applause from the audience he was really milking it......Good for him! At one point I could hear Mick say something like.....Are you through now?.......Sheeeeeesh! No wonder Mick Taylor couldn't be with them for long.....
Robbie!!!!!!!! Please call up Mick Taylor for some work and some jamming!
I do agree with you Kevin about the Stones' performance at our SARS concert......You were actually there? They were not inspiring at all and AC/DC really blew them off the stage and I can't even stand the lead singer's voice! It was their guitarist who had so much energy and charisma and humour and yeah......His private school boy uniform....."I love a man in a uniform" was playing in my head by the Gang of Four.......
Btw, many thanks for the Rough Trade video. I think I did post that one but it was thoughtful of you to post a video for me. Thank you kindly.

John Stirrat...Yes, many thanks I have the download now. I still ordered via amazon.ca his "Graduation Ceremony" 2011 recording because of the songs and also because I prefer to have the actual CD....bonus with Joseph Arthur is that it's his art work on the cover.

Long Live Joseph Arthur! (42 years old)


Entered at Mon May 27 14:18:12 CEST 2013 from (76.15.56.194)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Last night

The birthday show for Dylan in Bearsville theater last night was truly magnificent.Kudos to Happy Traum for putting it together and for his very excellent performances.Notable work done by Conor Kennedy,Tracy Bonham,Larry Campbell,Jim Weider(who played stinging leads-best I've ever heard him play),Teresa Williams,Amy Helm(who blew the roof off with Meet Me in The Morning),Donald Fagen(who knocked our socks off with his gospelly,rockin', version of Gotta Serve Somebody,all with Amy,Teresa,others nailing the background vocals,and with a Thelonious Monk piano part just beautifully banged out by Fagen).Jerry Morotta was stellar all night on drums with April Traum ably joining in on drums at times.What a show,what great spirit,what a great crowd,an expected great theater and sound system,and over 3 hours of blissful music.So glad we went!


Entered at Mon May 27 12:58:26 CEST 2013 from (121.209.168.49)

Posted by:

John Stirrat

Location: Joseph Arthur

Brown Eyed Girl, I'm pretty certain the Links still work, Joseph Arthur offered his 2012 (Double Album) "Redemption City" for free download in a bid to keep pace with the new Music Market I guess, his strategy worked with me, exposure to "Redemption City made me a Fan."

" His generosity inspired me to pay him back so i purchased three other Downloads from his Site, a couple of Live Shows and an EP and then led me to buy just about everything he has ever released!!"

" The first track of "Redemption City" apart from having a great message is a stone cold classic "Travel As Equals" Links are;"

"http://www.josepharthur.com/2012/redemption-city/"

" And the Review that led me to him (plus Link to the album)"

"http://www.antimusic.com/reviews/12/Joseph_Arthur_-_Redemption_City.shtml


Entered at Mon May 27 10:41:22 CEST 2013 from (86.31.22.92)

Posted by:

David Marsh

Location: scunthorpe,north lincolnshire,united kingdom
Web: My link

Subject: Bullying

Always supporting all those who expose this massive problem of "Bullying" in all our communities. From all your friends at Tom Thumb and friends. Thank you.


Entered at Mon May 27 04:44:34 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK: Bob Dylan's song for Mick Taylor......prescient as he was.

Rolling Stones: After talking up their "Love for Toronto" for years and how they would do anything to help the town that had given them so much........the SARS ravaged town needed help a decade ago and the Stones said sure " we would be happy to help out"......just pay us 12 Miillion and we will be there! They then laid one of the biggest eggs in the history of rock n roll at that show after being blown off the stage by AC/DC.....fast forward a decade and another town called New York is in need and again the Stones show up - barely- and again noses severely out of joint by having The Who chosen as show closers make very inappropriate comments about how New Yorkers better remember and be there if the British are ever in need.......blah blah blah...........pathetic........and how nice for those that spent $650 to see more of that local artist??? Carrie Underwood than the great Mick Taylor.........Note to Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallin......Expense the Stones shows.....the stink won't be detectable above all the other sh*t you're feeding Canadians....


Entered at Mon May 27 02:11:05 CEST 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Book of Levon

Not a lot of new material in it. Not bad, but I agree with Ari. It plays the sad up a little too much. For 2.99 though, on the kindle, it's worth it. (That's the australian dollar price)


Entered at Mon May 27 00:22:26 CEST 2013 from (70.192.69.230)

Posted by:

Ari

Solomon, I just read the book of levon. It's a quick thirty page read and to be honest it's a little bit of a downer. Some people like to paint the story of The Band as a tragedy. I don't see it that way but this book does. I got it on kindle, first time I've ever used it.


Entered at Sun May 26 19:11:42 CEST 2013 from (24.189.208.76)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

So it seems that it's Levon's birthday today.

Wish you were here Levon. Happy Birthday


Entered at Sun May 26 19:03:32 CEST 2013 from (184.144.105.130)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

One more with Fitful of Mercy....Posted once again.....RESTORE ME!
I've already been a huuuuge fan of the beautiful BEN HARPER and Watching Dhani Harrison....You see George Harrison.
Their collaboration is very spiritual and heartfelt and that's why I'm so drawn to them.


Entered at Sun May 26 18:49:18 CEST 2013 from (184.144.105.130)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Fistful of Mercy with JOSEPH ARTHUR, BEN HARPER, DHANI HARRISON.

I am becoming a huuuuge fan of JOSEPH ARTHUR!!!


Entered at Sun May 26 18:43:09 CEST 2013 from (184.144.105.130)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"On May 25, 2013, Rolling Stones performed at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto, where they were joined on stage by guest Carrie Underwood for the Stones song "It's Only Rock N'Roll (But I Like It)." According to an announcement on the official Rolling Stones website, this concert was the first time that the Stones performed "Angie" on their 2013 tour."

I was at The Stones concert and was so happy to finally hear "Angie" which was always rumoured to be about Bowie's first wife but really about Bowie himself.......but.....I was disappointed that Mick Taylor wasn't on stage for this one and yet he was there when the song was originally performed. When he did perform on "Rambling Man".......his brilliance was there and I will always remember how fluid and melodic and elegant his playing is but.....They only let him play on this one and the finale of "Satisfaction" (I Can't Get No). Apparently in LA he played on four tunes. Reading some articles recently I get the impression that not only did Mick Taylor leave The Stones because he is a musician's musician and they aren't.......but that he battled Keith privately.....Keith is a rhythm guitarist......Mick Taylor is not.....It seemed like Keith didn't always like to be upstaged and yet they always had a lead guitarist, first with Brian Jones.....Maybe Ronnie Wood's personality better suited The Stones......In any case, Ronnie Wood can certainly play.....but not like Mick Taylor.....Anyway.....fun party as always when you see The Stones! And to watch Mick.....his energy....his professionalism....his commitment to always putting on a great show......Wow, his late father's influence (former gym teacher) to always stay fit.....has helped him rock on and on and on.

Happy Birthday Adam! Have yourself a fun, fun, fun day!

I previously posted a link to the Levon ebook and sent link to JH. Since it wasn't posted on his site, I figured he didn't want to promote the book. I just post any info I find without judgement one way or another.

John Stirrat...I only discovered Joeseph Arthur with Ben Harper and Dhani Harrison's group Fistful of Mercy. I have previously posted link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcg9scKfbhM

It was Joseph's song "In The Sun" that really drew me to his music and art. I'm now also going to receive his book of poetry as well as his latest CD.
'I MISS THE ZOO AND OTHER POETRY SELECTIONS'.

The Ballad of Boogie Christ
ABOUT THE PROJECT

"It’s not without much thought that I’ve decided to go ahead and do a Pledge campaign. I’ve had it cued up with the folks over there several times but backed out each time, I think from some kind of knee-jerk pride that didn’t want to ask you for help. But I think with the music business being what it is nowadays, unless you break out big or become a license darling, there are precious few alternatives to fund one’s work. Some say it’s sad that it has come to this but I’m optimistic that new ways of doing things can lead to new forms of creativity and a smaller world community for artists to get to know their fans or for fans to become a more vital part in the process of artists creating their diamonds.

I don’t make music because I want to, I make it because I need to and it has always been that way. My love and passion for it, and even my need for it, has only grown with age. Hermann Hesse said the best art is born of necessity and that’s been my truth and my mantra for as long as I can remember. I consider it a great privilege that I have any forum or audience at all. None of it has been lost on me. Thank you for supporting a pursuit I would continue if I was lost on a desert island with no audience but the moon and some coconuts. Whether you give to my pledge campaign or not, your interest in my work has meant and continues to mean the world to me.

Sincerely,
Joseph Arthur


Entered at Sun May 26 16:11:39 CEST 2013 from (41.203.67.51)

Posted by:

sandra

Location: USA

Subject: the great spell caster that brought back my lover

My name is Sandra and i want to testify of the good work done by a faithful Dr Osoba, a spell caster. in my life i never thought there is such thing as spiritual intercession. my problem started nine months back when the father of my kids started putting up some strange behavior, i never knew he was having an affair outside our matrimonial home. it dawn on me on that faithful day 19th of April 21st 4:23pm when he came to the house to pick his things that was when i knew that situation has gotten out of hand and he then told me he was quitting the marriage which i have built for over five years, i was confused and dumbfounded i called on family and friends but to no avail. two months after i started having problem with my kids welfare rent-age and all of it, i really went through hell. until a day i was browsing on the internet and i happen to meet a spell caster i never believed on this but i needed my man back so i gave the spell caster my problem at first i never trusted him so i was just doing it but you know a problem shared is half solved after a week my husband called me telling me that he his coming back home and that was all. now we are living happily and i still do contact him on this email: osobaspelltemple@yahoo.com


Entered at Sun May 26 12:34:00 CEST 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Happy birthday Adam

Seems it was a good one.


Entered at Sun May 26 12:32:54 CEST 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Happy birthday Adam

Seems it was a good one.


Entered at Sun May 26 11:49:57 CEST 2013 from (92.18.175.233)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: The Book of Levon: The Trials and Triumphs of Levon Helm ?

The Book of Levon: The Trials and Triumphs of Levon Helm. I wonder if anyone has heard anything about this book ? The link above is an interview with the writer Jamie Malanowski.


Entered at Sun May 26 11:39:38 CEST 2013 from (121.209.168.49)

Posted by:

John Stirrat

Location: Sydney

I have recently signed up for Kickstarters for Jesse Malin's new album, Garland Jeffrey's (based on the quality of his magnificent "The King of In Between" I'm excited about this one, not to mention the added bonus Garth's involvement). And Thankyou to Brown Eyed Girl's Post I have signed up to the very talented joseph Arthur's campaign. Brown Eyed Girl I'm a relatively recent convert to Joseph's music via his magnificent "Redemption City" Double Album I was so impressed and particularly his generosity in offering the album on his Site for free that it led me to purchase a couple of downloads from his Site and then ultimately I bit the bullet and purchased all of his Albums (including a number of his considerable run of EP's) I'm thinking my next pledge will be Willie Nile's new album.


Entered at Sun May 26 11:33:48 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter V, John D

Will probably pick that album up, Peter. Still really like Paris 1919. Great album. Voice up front, understated, brilliant playing.

John D. One of the best concerts I ever saw was in Glasgow - Spooner Oldham and Dan Penn in front of 150 people in Glasgow. You'll probably have it, but if you've not mmake sure you get 'Moments From This Theatre' Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham Live.

Coincidentally six weeks later I saw Spooner Oldham play with CSNY at Air Canada Centre in front of thousands. And I was at the great Solomon Burke concert you wrote about at Massey Hall.


Entered at Sat May 25 23:27:53 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

Posted by:

Ari

Web: My link

Some great rare pictures of The Band.


Entered at Sat May 25 21:10:55 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Dylan Birthday Concert at Bearsville Theater

Looking forward to Sunday night in Bearsville for the Dylan birthday show featuring,Amy Helm,Larry Campbell,Teresa Williams,Jim Weider,Jay Collins,Donald Fagen,Happy Traum,Tracy Bohnam,and others.Wish the weather was a bit warmer,but nonetheless eager to see this show.


Entered at Sat May 25 16:05:19 CEST 2013 from (184.144.106.91)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry! Steve Jordan.....not Steve Gadd.

Ron Wood's Art.


Entered at Sat May 25 15:58:41 CEST 2013 from (184.144.106.91)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I can't wait to receive Joseph Arthur's latest CD next month. Getting to know him and his art.....Watch him create art while you hear one of my favourite songs of his...."In the Sun"....as well as insightful interview.

"Over the course of the past 15 years, Arthur has created a body of work that is beautiful, mercurial, romantic and touched by more than a little heartbreak and betrayal. Joseph manages to deal with relationships gone bad, loneliness, drugs and New York City with a pained tenderness that recalls Nick Drake. He does so without being maudlin or self-pitying."

Tonight's the night......gonna be alright.......Mick Taylor and the Boyzzz!

Peter...Garth Hudson, Larry Campbell and Steve Gadd will be on Garland's latest CD which now has more than enough pledges. I will be included in his liner notes. :-D


Entered at Sat May 25 15:40:04 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dan Penn plus UK ACE Release

Found myself yesterday going back to the "Do Right Man" CD; from singer songwriter Dan Penn. One of the most soulful albums I've heard. What a songwriter!!!! Just downloaded, Dan Penn the "Fame Recordings;" from iTunes; which is a UK release; from the great people at ACE.


Entered at Sat May 25 14:38:39 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: John Cale

The "inaccessible" tag has some truth in it … there's usually something melodic on an album, but there's also stuff like "Fear" and "Slow Dazzle" which remind you that this guy co-invented punk and grunge. I haven't heard Shifty Adventures in Nooky Wood … I should order it. I remember saying that a few months back, then I forgot.

A lot of the Island Years is the "more attacking" stuff like "Gun." If you like Paris 1919, but haven't got the preceding "Vintage Violence" I'd go for Vintage Violence, which in spite of the title is a great melodic album. For a Band connection, Stan Szelest played piano, Sandy Konikoff played drums (a Hawk twixt Levon and Mickey Jones), Harvey Brooks played bass (Forest Hills & LA with Levon & Robbie) plus BEG's favourite, Garland Jeffreys, played guitar.


Entered at Sat May 25 12:14:50 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Sadavid

I'm idling this morning. enjoyed the Dylan map.

Here's a picture of Dylan's house in the Highlands.

Dylan in the Greenwich village years used to share a flat with the traditional Scottish singer, Jean Redpath.


Entered at Sat May 25 12:04:33 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: JT

I think a trip out to Richmond and lunch down at the river is a great London experience, but it's many years since I've been. Might bump into Mick. I liked the trendiness of Hampstead, the ambience and people spotting also.

I think Copenhagen is great. In addition to the attractions you'll see in the tourist books, which don't disappoint, it's worth looking out for Danish architecture and design - converted warehouses down at the harbour, new builds - see the visit Copenhagen website.

Easy trips are Elsinore castle and to go for the day trip to Malmo.

I have made the trip to Yorkville too


Entered at Sat May 25 11:54:03 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter V

Just been reading your review of John Cale Paris 1919 on your blog. I really like the album.(Place names - I thought it great at the time tat Dundee got a mention.)

Although I have several Lou Reed and Velvet albums, most of which I like, (Oxfam got a Lou Reed Album recently)I only have that John Cale album.

I like songs, not showmanship or inaccessability and perhaps what put me off in the past from extending John Cale in my collection is the inaccessible tag in some reviews.

Would it be worth buying 'The Island Years' and 'Shifty Adventures in Nookie Wood'?

Just finished playing 'Year of the Horse'.


Entered at Sat May 25 11:27:34 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Spiers & Boden

Link to my review of Spiers & Boden from Bellowhead, last night on their Back Yard Songs Tour where they agreed they would do some purely local songs which were new to them in each venue on the tour. A truly exhilerating evening of English folk at its best.


Entered at Sat May 25 08:50:36 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

An aweful version - far too fast. Great song though.


Entered at Fri May 24 22:50:44 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Orange Juice Blues

The first officially released version of "Orange Juice Blues" was Mama Cass Elliot's cover (under the title "Blues for Breakfast"), included on her 1968 Dunhill solo LP, produced by John Simon.


Entered at Fri May 24 20:36:50 CEST 2013 from (97.81.222.55)

Posted by:

Jimmy Nelson

Web: My link

Subject: New series focusing on the Band

A new song-by-song exploration of the Band, to run weekly, promises to follow the group from The Basement Tapes and Music from Big Pink forward through each of their individual solo careers. They started with Richard and Rick's "Orange Juice Blues" ...


Entered at Fri May 24 18:35:08 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Definitely The National … The Tate Gallery too. (Rather than the Tate Modern). You can get a water ferry from the Tate Gallery, which has good views, and go right to the South Bank area (or it used to).


Entered at Fri May 24 17:19:51 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

JT: Adding to what Peter has outlined in and around London…….I would not miss The National Gallery. One of my favorite places for all sorts of reasons – content, location. Stunning.


Entered at Fri May 24 16:43:14 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A week in London? First advice is to check what’s on from an online site, because music and theatre are often sold out, though popular stuff can be bought from agencies. The National Theatre is always brilliant, as is the Old Vic, both on the South Bank (where there's also The Globe, Tate Modern Art Gallery). Combining music and theatre “Once” is excellent, reviewed on my blog as is The Book of Mormon, also currently on. For theatre, The Cripple of Inishman is about to start in a week or so with Daniel Radcliffe. The Othello at the National Theatre is well-reviewed, and I’ll review it on Monday after we see it on Sunday. For music, the O2 has Rod Stewart, Paloma Faith, Kings of Leon, The Who, Neil Young and Leonard Cohen all in the next three weeks, but it’s a long way to go to watch fellow-Canadians. If you can get an O2 ticket, it’s worth spending the day in Greenwich, then it’s a mile or two to the O2.

Camden has got right down hill, and is now a tourist trap to be avoided. The British Museum is still awesome. The Natural History & Victoria Albert are also astonishing though Iike the architecture better than the contents. If in that area, Harrods is now a total waste of time … even less interesting than the smaller branded souvenir shops they run at the airport. Where they used to have their own stuff, it's all "store within a store" stuff.

Also in a full week, it’s very easy to get out by train … Cambridge, Oxford, Stratford-on-Avon and Bath are all an easy day return trip, two hours or less each way. Of those, I’d choose Bath or Stratford, but then I spent too many days filming in and around Oxford, so got bored with it. If you do Stratford, even if you don’t often do theatre, it’s worth trying to get a matinee ticket (and eat at the theatre restaurant). As You Like It is a great production with music by Laura Marling.

I think renting a car to get out is a pain from London, because it’s always an hour or more of very unpleasant traffic just to get to the edge.


Entered at Fri May 24 16:17:25 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Subject: Typo

Meant to write: "......going to convince Kevin J....."


Entered at Fri May 24 16:16:06 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan's World

[My link] is "an interactive map with entries for every place-name in a song written by Dylan."

JT: you might wanna re-think Lund . . . the Swedes are revolting . . . .


Entered at Fri May 24 16:15:10 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Voting Early & Often

Well, I guess the chances of making this a family friendly song just went out the window! Peter, I don’t think that rhyming “Bob” with “knob” is going to connive Kevin J. that Rock & Roll can rise to the level of poetry. ;-)

I hope that Nina knows that we’re supposed to try to avoid politics around here. But all of this talk of strong elections is confusing me, and making me a little nervous. I hope she know that what happens in the voting booth should stay in the voting booth.

And I can’t quite get a handle on what kind of herbal remedies she’s talking about. Is this some sort of new age Echinacea type cure, or is it more in the Willie Nelson “musicians tobacco” arena?

Jeff, I told you that the song would practically write itself. At least that’s what I’m banking on. I feel like you and Peter have really stepped up. Just make sure that you don’t forget that I was in the room with you when it started. I’ll need my cut. Need to send a small fortune to a foreign land. They’ve been promising me salvation, as well as some spell casting assistance. And I’ve got to get back in the voting booth. Don’t want to miss the next election.

Inspired by Kate’s last post, I think the song should be called ‘King Derek’s Blues’.


Entered at Fri May 24 16:09:04 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Advice

Since some of us agree that this GB can be 'multidisciplinary', may I take a chance and ask for some advice, please. Travelling to London UK and then Copenhagen and Lund soon. (No time for anywhere else on this sojourn.) About a week at each location. For those who are and have been, what is recommended. ( Maybe we can increase sales here after all.) If this is inappropriate, please ignore.


Entered at Fri May 24 15:50:36 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

A helping hand for our lyricists. Calypsos never scan perfectly.

I’ve got a good friend, his name is Bob

He says he’s got a problem with his knob

His new girlfriend, her name is Wendy.

She says, ‘Hey, Bob, you’re much too bendy

Calypso, calypso, this is the doctor’s calypso

If you ask him nice, he’ll cast a spell

And pay him good for the herbs he’ll sell

So Bob asked the doctor for some direction

He says he’s having problems with erection

The herbs make him feel a strong sensation

Now he's got pre-mature ejaculation.

Calypso, calypso, this is the doctor’s calypso

If you ask him nice, he’ll cast a spell

And pay him good for the herbs he’ll sell



Entered at Fri May 24 15:49:35 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Hot air

I may be full of 'hot air' as suggested by the last post ... brilliance/not brillance. You see that 'spelling' is indeed important.


Entered at Fri May 24 15:46:39 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Protest or Mea culpa

"99 Luftballons" (German for "99 Balloons") is a protest song by the German band Nena. Not Nina, but I protest. I can laugh, Kevin, and I do...and I do appreciate the brillance of both Al E and Nina. Maybe we should accept the trivial. You've made me stop and pause. "You may be right...I may be crazy..but its....You may be wrong but then again you may be right".


Entered at Fri May 24 15:36:55 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Car Robbers........Strong Elections.....and Broken Hearts

Go Nina Go! JH: I love JT.....but in this one case please do not listen to him.........not even the legendary Al E in the middle of some wild Springsteenian high has ever delivered a post to match the brilliance of NIna's.


Entered at Fri May 24 15:36:17 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The National again and RZ birthday wishes

Listen to the new album by "The National". More in a growing tradition of excellence. A natural for GB/Cohen/Dylan/ lovers. Happy birthday, Mr. Zimmerman. May you continue to thrive and prosper. We are all the beneficiaries of your continued creativity. I sincerely hope for a new work this year to mark this anniversary of your birth. Keep on keepin' on!


Entered at Fri May 24 14:36:00 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Music again

Spells, spelling, misspells , punctuation, sales...what is GB becoming? Treble clef, bass clef, half notes...lets return to Stage Fright and The Sacred Harp. JH...is there any way to drop the trap door on the superfluous 'spellers' and "sales agents'' so that we don't have spells and sales anymore?


Entered at Fri May 24 14:09:24 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.25)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Pete, i figured they just left out some words, it was: comma strong elections.


Entered at Fri May 24 12:04:03 CEST 2013 from (178.43.139.6)

Posted by:

Kate

Can you send more at kingderek08@hotmail.com or kingderek08@hotmail.com???


Entered at Fri May 24 11:06:58 CEST 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Democracy's little herbal helper

Didn't it say that the herbs are for having strong eLections?


Entered at Fri May 24 09:07:45 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Somehow, I think the genre is for this herbal spell song is topical calypso. In the early 60s the BBC had a topical calypso on the early evening Tonight show most days. Why would a strong erection need curing? I'm already trying to think of the rhymes.


Entered at Fri May 24 04:56:41 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.24)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Cheap GB Thrills

Todd, this is getting too funny, and almost, dare i say -hard to resist. Between, nina, who must be Japanese. and the others spammers, and you, well....

A first? Offering herbal remedies to induce "strong elections"? I already got the majority of the song- canlt help it. It may take a year or five to finish it , but it;s on the way. Will email it to you.


Entered at Fri May 24 03:14:20 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.24)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Kev, the judge and his considerably younger and very fine lady were cool, good folks. remember, they were from nawlins.


Entered at Thu May 23 22:28:27 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Doc Pomus Doc

Will be here in T.O. for one night at the Hot Docs festival; at the Bloor Cinema.


Entered at Thu May 23 22:24:30 CEST 2013 from (41.190.3.120)

Posted by:

nina

Location: maryland

Subject: testimony

nina from maryland usa this all started two years ago when my husband went after this strange woman who he meet at a friend party.He left me and our three months old baby.my life was so miseryable cause i never belive my husband can do that to me.but i thank the almighty power in dr kashi of the great afrian temple. I spoke directed with him and within 24 hours,my hushand came calling back that he want me and our baby back. You can contact him via email drkashi39@yahoo.com or Dr kashi hotline at (+234)8180775484 he can also 1. He has herbs to make you long live with HIV-AIDS. 2. Get the job,man,favor,promotion,tenders that you desired. 3. He cure madness/stress/addictions/long illnesses. 4. He has lucky spells/charm to accumulate & protect your wealth. 5. He has charms for gambling & win court cases. 6. He has powerful herbs for curing early ejaculations,strong elections. 7. He has charms to protect you away from car robbers/hijacker/any risk. 8. He fix broken relationships&marriages.


Entered at Thu May 23 21:59:12 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Two Docs & The Rock of Ages

sadavid: According to Alex Halberstadt's excellent biography, "Lonely Avenue: The Unlikely Life and Times of Doc Pomus", Doc Pomus attended The Band's Rock of Ages concert at the Academy of Music with his friend Dr. John. The great songwriter had crossed paths with the guys years before at a New York City hotel when they were touring with Ronnie Hawkins.


Entered at Thu May 23 21:43:42 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Documentary Pomus

One more for the rockumentary pile . . . .


Entered at Thu May 23 21:26:31 CEST 2013 from (92.18.201.142)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Recent Rockumentaries

Kevin J : That's on my wanted list along with Ain't In It For My Health: A Film About Levon Helm, B.B. King - The Life of Riley, The new Muscle Shoals documentary, John Mellencamp - It's About, The Gourds - All The Labor.


Entered at Thu May 23 21:09:40 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, I believe Toews has 3 goals in his last 22 playoff games. He's the Hawks best player and he's not scoring which spells trouble. Plus, Jimmy Howard is on fire.


Entered at Thu May 23 21:01:28 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ginger Baker

I watched “Beware of Mr. Baker” last night….the new documentary on Ginger Baker’s life………..a master musician, a truly awful human being but this is one of the best music documentaries I have seen. Highly recommended.


Entered at Thu May 23 20:33:19 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

BEG: Bill Amesbury and/or Dennis Pinhorn, the bassist in the Levon tribute that you caught with the Northerns a couple weeks ago, may have been in the lineup when Manchild played my highschool in '71. I'm sure that I didn't go, and that Northern Boy won't remember.


Entered at Thu May 23 19:38:34 CEST 2013 from (92.18.201.142)

Posted by:

Solomon

Web: My link

Subject: John Denver

I've been listening to The Music Is You: A Tribute To John Denver. I think it's great! Amos Lee, Lucinda Williams, Emmylou Harris, Old Crow, Josh Ritter, My Morning Jacket and Evan Dando all pay tribute to John Denver.


Entered at Thu May 23 18:56:22 CEST 2013 from (70.24.111.126)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Sapphires!


Entered at Thu May 23 18:53:59 CEST 2013 from (70.24.111.126)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: A Thrill's A Thrill
Web: My link

Thanks Bill M! When I looked up the lyrics it was by Long John Baldry.

"Like 'Harlow' previously uploaded, taken from the 1976 'Can You Feel It' album. Audio only as my photos don't run to some of the lyrics here ! For mid 70's it was quite ground breaking and later in life Bill had a sex change operation and is now known as Barbra."

Marilyn's quote was in my previous link. I guess I was at the Colonial the same year as you! I think not long after the city lost the club.

Joseph Arthur has 155% pledges and Garland Jeffreys has 97%!!!!!!!


Entered at Thu May 23 18:52:49 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

I was tempted to LINK the ‘Thrill is a Thrill’ performance from NY Bottom Line club but LJB’s trousers were just too tight in that one to expose it to the GB world………looking at it though brought back memories of the late great Kathie Mcdonald…….She was something else.

Instead LINKED is Carole Pope from 1976 on the Peter Gzowski show for BEG and apologies if you had linked this already


Entered at Thu May 23 18:34:15 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Did Marilyn post that here? If so, I really sorry I missed it, as I would have had something to say at great length. Even greater length than usual in fact, as nothing gets me going more than an invitation to talk about Toronto's great Jamaican-Canadian music scene of the '60s. And all of the people she mentioned are still around, even if not terribly actively involved in music. Except for Andy Nichols, whose whereabouts I do not know. I passed up one of his albums a few years ago in a moment of insanity; not as bad as passing up the Neil Young and the Squires 45, but still.

By the way, I didn't get to the Colonial until maybe '76, when I saw Bill Amesbury and his excellent band (with former Hawk Scott Cushnie on piano); Bill performed his "A Thrill's A Thrill" - a song about an encounter with Lou Reed that was later covered by Long John Baldry.


Entered at Thu May 23 18:05:18 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Jeff: My memory of Ellen Foley was some time she spent with Ian Hunter and Mick Ronson – above linked…….BTW, another sign that rock n roll is dead when the guy you’re rubbing shoulders with at a show is a Judge! Perhaps it was the Broadway years that got a hold of him.

Pat B: Re: Jonathan Toews………any thoughts of consulting our friendly neighbourhood spellcaster? He has been the best player in every tournament he has ever played in since pee-wee ( including the Olympics 2010 with a vaunted Canadian line-up that included Sidney Crosby) but he better get going in this one……..I want to see a Chicago-Pittsburgh final.


Entered at Thu May 23 17:56:22 CEST 2013 from (70.24.111.126)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jerry T and Bill M...I didn't grow up in Toronto and I'm younger so I missed out on The Hawks and the clubs and bars downtown.....except when I first arrived, I was taken to The Colonial by someone I was dating who did see The Band with Dylan at Maple Leaf Gardens one year before. We were at the Colonial to see the Mighty Clouds of Joy.

Bill M...I'm enjoying reading the memoirs of Carole Pope....all of it.....Louuu, Ugly Ducklings..... ;-D

Marilyn says:
May 10, 2011 at 12:57 pm
What a trip down memory lane. Those were good days.

Gordon Lightfoot, Andy Nichols upstairs at the Colonial – who I never heard actuall finish any song he started, the house band at the Zanzibar, Club Jamaica further up the street brought Toronto’s first reggae I think. That would have been The Mighty Pope. Whatever happened to all those guys? Andy, Pope, the Zanzibar house band, Grant Smith, Kensington Market? All good Toronto stuff that just kind of slid away to I-don’t-know-where."


Entered at Thu May 23 17:37:32 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Credit

Don't worry Jeff. Everyone will get credit.....even Dr. O.......Now money may be another issue, but I can't talk about that now. There's art to be made.


Entered at Thu May 23 16:22:31 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Thanks for the links. The songlist from Crang Plaza reminds me that "Please Please Please" is one of the songs the Hawks recorded in the studio with Duff Roman in '64. Or at least the instrumental tracks, with prospective frontman John Finley returned 40+ years later to sing over for the Yonge Street Rock and Rolls Stories documentary of a couple years ago.

As for the Riverboat, the only show that I remember catching there was a late-'70s reunion of Amos Garrett's old group, the Dirty Shames (who are on the '64 poster at your link). Ian Tyson came to say hello to Amos and sat in the back. Coincidentally, I was sitting with the same John Finley's cousin.


Entered at Thu May 23 16:18:22 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: ........ mercies.

Todd- this being The Band Gb it is only appropriate that i alert you to an issue that i would imagine you are keenly aware of. If you use one of those phrases of Mary's , helen's, or whomever ( from the Dr Olakun referencing posts) be sure to give her credit, track her down, and see she gets her roylaties.. Now regarding the phrase "conman's kids"... seemingly too short qulaify for copyright protection. However, Pat B. is the tricky sort. Notice the incorrect spelling.
*con man's kids* would have been correct.But it's pretty darn tootin that it wouldn't qualify for copyright protection. If you just correct the spelling, Pat would likely have no legal claim, yet you may, in the true spirit of what you believe in, just may want to spell it incorrectly like he, honoring his creative writing effort or fallacy, and also share credit with him. i vote for the latter, and would even purchase a copy, to help subsidize and encourage his burgeoning lyrical career. not to mention yours.

Good day folks.


Entered at Thu May 23 16:02:56 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Special Yorkville

Angelina: Thanks for that. Those were special times and places in Yorkville. The music scene was bursting with talent with local and visiting musicians developing their individual talents in a small and intimate setting. There were many small clubs on that short strip as you know. Who would have predicted the careers of some of those who came in the early and mid 60s. As you know, its all gone now but the odd sign attesting to what was there. The need to become a showplace for travellers and sell product (not music) overcame Yorkville and it became something different. As usual, be it in retrospect, Toronto was a critical cog in the wheel. With its bar bands and its coffee clubs, it was one of the pillars of musical creativity.


Entered at Thu May 23 15:53:16 CEST 2013 from (70.24.111.126)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon And The Hawks
1964
Crang Plaza
Toronto, Ontario


Entered at Thu May 23 15:40:18 CEST 2013 from (70.24.111.126)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

WHERE DO WE PLAY OUR NEXT GIG, YORKVILLE COFFEEHOUSES IN THE 60'S


Entered at Thu May 23 11:56:21 CEST 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: The Kop

Alan: yes I did. Aurally (and orally) incredible. : )


Entered at Thu May 23 09:52:55 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Legal Tenderness

Almost forgot. A very important difference between a con merchant and con man is value delivered. A con man may provide no value, whereas a con merchant does deliver some reasonable degree of value to the con-ee. Possibly, even a completely and totally legitimate degree of value. The transaction is likely legal but was executed by virtue of a snow job..


Entered at Thu May 23 08:52:11 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Stop Right There!

Should i Stay or should i go? i was asking that question earlier. St LOuis native and long time NewYorker Ellen Foley ,the woman whose vocal was just as integral as Meatloafs to Paradise By The Dashboard Light, performed at the Iridium tonight. i was wondering if we should go, but ever hopeful that the band and Ellen would be as dynamic as her early rock and roll career, went.Then got there to almost not get in, and debated again. We went. Foley's had a long running Broadway career and is now in her early 60s. the band was eh.not awful, not inspired or particularly talented.but not bad.not good either. ellen's perfromance today is more a broadway type than a rock and roll performance. Ulah hedwig sang backups, and shared leads on Stupid Girl.Ellen sang another Stones song.She brought out Woodstocker Beki Brindle to play and sing an old bluesish standard i can't recall.after beki departed the stage, they did We Belong to the Night,Boys of summer, which the band and Ellen were suited to, but still not really delivering the goods,.they also did Heaven can Wait and, I Found A Love.and while i never expected to be writing something like this, the final song of the encore, and the sole excellent performance of the night, was a song which Mick Jones was inspired to wrote by his then girlfriend, Ellen - "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" the band kicked ass on that one, and upon finsihing, i almost expoected ellen to say- Hey Kevin J, i did that one for you. The highlight of the evening was making friends with a couple from new orleans..the husband wrote their home # his card, told me to call when I'm coming. i looked at the card- it read Judge ...... I said okay, what i been waiting for, now i got a judge in new Orleans, i can go...

Todd, write it man, you're on the way.

A con merchant is a far more exalted and prestigious position in the community. Besides generally also implying being minimally upper middle class. Con men, well, bound to lead a far more unstable, potentially violent, and disturbing life. also, probably not as adept as a con merchant....... there's a difference, levels of proficiency and other things, maybe codes of morality amongst immorality maybe.........A con merchants flywheel, or con merchants lure,, bait, something, (find it) is an intriguing thought to use in a song, but not great enough to keep it hush hush. the great one;s i keep to myself.....anyone want to take that one and run with it, or see where else it leads you, it's my gift to you. i juggling too many as it is. the shop is backed up several years on production....

Moments of tenderness are one thing, but if Pat asks me "Can we talk in a sad and shy tone?", there ain't no should I- it's one sure way to run me out of this GB.


Entered at Thu May 23 08:46:14 CEST 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Fred

Fred, did you take a look at the Kop YNWA video link I put up below?

probably the best rendition since the early '60's when they began it all. Started off in wrong key but once they adjusted it was just so good.


Entered at Thu May 23 06:53:39 CEST 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: coordinately invited

Rod: that's how family gatherings are done amongst my kinfolk: giving out detailed maps and schedules to all the relatives so no one ends up at the wrong restaurant or the right one at the wrong time.


Entered at Thu May 23 05:21:29 CEST 2013 from (146.171.254.97)

Posted by:

Rod

what does "you are coordinately invited " mean?


Entered at Thu May 23 04:45:29 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Dr. Olunkan Sadness the Conman

Lars, Nice version of 'Meet Me in the Morning'. Cool to see the younger generation with at least one foot solidly planted in the past. Some talented kids.

Jeff, I know that you haven't warmed up yet to the song idea about a Conman's Kids, but between that, and some carefully extracted snippets from the posts concerning the good Dr. Olunkan, I think half the damn song has done written itself already. Take this line for example: "Can we talk in a sad and shy tone".....

If that's not poetry, then I don't know what is.


Entered at Thu May 23 04:07:00 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Dr. Olukan

Dammit! That bitch Racheal left Mary from the UK and has parked her ass here on the Island. I wonder if I should call the good doctor?


Entered at Wed May 22 22:36:57 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

That's a powerful spell that locates you in USA, Canada and UK simultaneously.


Entered at Wed May 22 22:11:24 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Pat B: Being unhappy is what the blues is about - as per As the song "You Must Live It", on that very album, I believe. By the way, Musselwhite and Goldberg both appear on the "Ivar Avenue Reunion" LP by Merryweather mach III, which was mach II (one LP) plus the unforgetable Lynn Carey. Mach IV, called Merryweather Carey, included a returning Ed Roth plus the unlovely but talented Chicagoan, Kal David. I really like their "Vacuum Cleaner" album on RCA. Mach V was called Mama Lion (two LPs) and mach VI Heavy Cruiser (two more). Roth's replacement on keys was the noteworthy James Newton Howard, who left rock and roll to be a successful film composer - "Bourne Legacy", "Hunger Games", "Prince of Tides" ...


Entered at Wed May 22 20:52:07 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, Barry Goldberg will not be happy.


Entered at Wed May 22 20:18:08 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: As interesting as the colour of Robbie's guitar may be, surely the big story in that photo is that Dylan seems to be wearing nylons over his head. I've seen bank robbers do that in the movies.

Re the real spellcasters, while the nationalist in me wants to go with Heidi, I'd rather let the girls sort it out among themselves and come back with a single coherent proposition. Who has time to try all three?

Pat B: I was sorely tempted, but to tell you the truth I've been too busy trying to devise this little pop-up app that will appear whenever anyone here mentions Dave Mason, Steve Miller, Charlie Musselwhite or Bobby Notkoff (my personal favourite). Did I mentione Ed Roth?


Entered at Wed May 22 19:53:58 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: THE REAL TELECASTER

Link above to photo of Robbie casting a spell on a real Telecaster :-)


Entered at Wed May 22 19:28:46 CEST 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

A hypnotist, a fancy talker... DR.OLOKUN ain't no doctor.


Entered at Wed May 22 18:46:02 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

…….so Jeff and Pat…….if tenderness fails...…there is always the good doctor referred to below.


Entered at Wed May 22 18:05:26 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The Sundazed label has reissued "H.R. Is A Dirty Guitar Player" on LP and they've recently marked it down 50% to $8.98 at their direct site.

Always liked Bob Ezrin's orchestral arrangement & piano on the title track to Poco's "Crazy Eyes", a moving tribute to Gram Parsons.


Entered at Wed May 22 17:59:23 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

I may have missed it, but I'm a little shocked Bill M hasn't noted that Howard Roberts played on Merryweather's Word of Mouth album.


Entered at Wed May 22 17:47:00 CEST 2013 from (70.50.64.152)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Production is an interesting story in music and especially the degrees in which certain producers shaped the sounds of the most popular of rock n roll records………..at a presentation/symposium of some sort many years ago, someone in the audience asked Bob Ezrin to describe his influence with Alice Cooper……………he paused and answered “I am Alice Cooper”…….the place cracked up….point made.

I loved the “Welcome to My Nightmare” record – so did Bob Dylan according to Alice himself ( the conservative golfer not the Canadian producer )


Entered at Wed May 22 17:30:08 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY
Web: My link

Subject: Meet Me In the Morning (again)

TODD- Here's another take on that Dylan song, with Connor Kennedy & his band getting some help from a young fellow named Myles Mancuso. I love the way Connor & Myles swap guitar riffs.


Entered at Wed May 22 17:17:19 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Howard Roberts

Speaking of Howard Roberts and that album, it was Randy Bachman; who got that album re-released a few years back; on his own label. Speaking of Randy, he will be honored tonight; along with legendary Producer Bob Ezrin; at the Conservatory of Music here in Toronto. For me the first version of Sac O' Woe I ever heard was from that album by Howard Roberts.


Entered at Wed May 22 16:18:27 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Howard Roberts was a dirty guitar player :-)

I was listening to The Brown Album LP last night, trying to figure out on which songs that Robbie played his Epiphone Howard Roberts guitar (link). Could be "Across the Great Divide" and "Rag Mama Rag"?


Entered at Wed May 22 15:22:05 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Meet Me In The Morning

At the link above is some video that I shot in New Hampshire last Fall at one of the early dates for Amy Helm's solo tour. Here she's doing fine take on 'Meet Me In The Morning' from Dylan's Blood On The Tracks. I'm amazed at how much sound this 3/4 piece band is able to put out. In addition to Amy's fine vocals, there is some nice "feel" guitar work from Dan Littleton. He plays an old Gibson acoustic with a pick-up in the sound hole which provides quite a variety of sound, tones and textures. Fun stuff.


Entered at Wed May 22 14:41:14 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Neighborhood Music

Had an interesting weekend. Some neighbors of mine, who I hadn't really gotten to know well, invited us to an afternoon party/picnic. I had no idea what to expect, but as I walked up their driveway, I could hear a Johnny Cash song playing. I thought that was a promising sign, which got even better once I realized that it was a group of live musicians playing on the front porch.

For about 5 hours, people swapped guitars, and took turns playing a wide variety of songs. I was pleasantly surprised to hear one fellow do a very good rendition of 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down'. I really knew that I was in the right place when he did 'Get Up Jake' a little later…..Not the typical song that year hear at a neighborhood party…..especially in a town that seems to have a high percentage of accountants and insurance executives. It's a great day when you realize that your neighbors are also fans of good music!


Entered at Wed May 22 13:59:24 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: The Beautiful Old

I received The Beautiful Old yesterday. Very enjoyable and always wonderful to hear Garth featured.


Entered at Wed May 22 06:36:01 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Correction

Substitute Tura Lura Lura for Danny Boy.


Entered at Wed May 22 05:57:37 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C.( Friend0

Subject: When Kosher Pigs Fly

Over Chicago and NYC, in time. They sing Hatikvah and Danny Boy. And trust me Todd, Pat feels the same way.

Separately, i got a soft touch and I'm a soft touch 99.9% of the time. I make strangers smile all day long.

Tere's lots of ways at looking at work.


Entered at Wed May 22 04:37:02 CEST 2013 from (108.195.5.166)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: I'm a thief and I dig it

Either Jeff is softening on us, or he just sat through a third set at some jazz club in the village, and was on his third beer when he came up with his "tenderness" post.

This "conman's kid" phrase has me thinking that there might be the seed of a song in there somewhere. Perhaps a collaboration between Pat & Jeff is in order. Stranger things have happened. Lyrics by Cousin Moe - Music by Pat B. I can feel the creative tension already! Tip for Pat.....try to get to Jeff before the band does a fourth set. Thing could go sideways quickly.


Entered at Wed May 22 01:22:09 CEST 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Woods

LARS!!! Stay outta those gawd damn woods......it's really started messing with your mind.....yer even startin' to try and patronize the enemy.......or.....could it be some kind of "ruse"????

I think we must have really started pissing Jan H off. He's got us on a format now that shows up all yer spelling mistakes. There is them whose entire post will be underlined in red...awwww..haw.....haw......haw.....sorry Jan. I gots to go now.


Entered at Tue May 21 22:20:53 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Thanks for yet another Mynah Birds link. I'm pretty sure that Domenic Troiano wasn't a real member, though I can certainly imagine him climbing onstage one evening in the group's early days, which the unstable lineup suggests was more of a regular jam session than a real group gig. As it ties in with the earlier story's bit about Rick James adopting a new surname (Matthews) at the suggestion of local singer Shirley Matthews, I'll note that Nick's previous big gig was as bassist and group-leader of Shirley's backup group, the Big Town Boys (named after her huge huge hit, "Big Town Boy"). Both the guitarist in that band, Tommy Graham, and Nick's replacement on bass, Brian Massey, had been in the Regents with a young 'Jamie' Robertson, ca '59-'60.


Entered at Tue May 21 21:12:15 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Understanding Boolean Algebra 101

Stay strong, Jeff.


Entered at Tue May 21 19:53:03 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Yeah, I was being much too complicated.


Entered at Tue May 21 19:46:33 CEST 2013 from (68.196.242.159)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Lars. It's the small tendernesses, including these unexpected moments of intellectual and emotional connection with some that have soemtimes seemed beyond reach, that make some days extra sepcial. Thank you for adding to the day's sunshine.

i must say though, there are people that make it seem the human race can never achieve communication across the board.

Pat, when you use my name you really want me to respond.But, for me to try to answer you must provide a clear question. I'm not certain i understand whatever you are trying to get at. I can't speak for what Sebastian knows or not, or when he may know soemthing. So, i think in this case, you would do better asking him for the answer to that.

Time to work.


Entered at Tue May 21 19:04:04 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

......and I'm also going to contribute to Joseph Arthur's new release!! Garth will also be on it as well as Ben Harper!!!
I have posted a couple of songs in previous posts...one with Ben Harper and Dhani Harrison. Joseph Arthur is a very cool visual artist as well. How can you not dig someone who is that creative?
Btw, Ron Wood's work is at a gallery in Yorkville.....See link of his work.

http://lissgallery.com/gallery/?page_id=443

Saturday night.....

I said I know it's only rock 'n roll but I like it
I said I know it's only rock 'n roll but I like it
I said I know it's only rock 'n roll but i like it
I said I know it's only rock 'n roll but I like it, like it, yes, I do
Oh, well, I like it, I like it. I like it...


Entered at Tue May 21 18:44:31 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

New album
Pledge to be a part of my new album and I pledge to make it so good that you won't regret it!

'I’ve made a lot of albums over a lot of years and I took a long time before making my last record, The King of In Between. Going independent was a big step, but this is even bigger — this is the first time I’ve invited friends and fans to be directly involved with the process of making a record, and I’m really looking forward to it—especially since I’m the kind of artist who leaves the stage and spends so much time talking to people after the show that the band starts hanging around and giving me dirty looks! I genuinely love connecting with my fans and am happy that many of them have become friends. Pledge is also a cool way for me to connect with fans around the world in places I haven’t yet been able to play.

So here we go! Everyone who pledges gets a digital download of the new album once it’s ready.

As soon as you pledge, you get access to the ‘pledger-only’ part of the site. You’ll get rough demos, videos from the studio, updates about the recording, gems from the archives…you’ll be fully immersed in this album as its being made. You can also choose from lots of exclusives, like a dinner at my house (Claire is a pretty good cook), a day with me in Coney Island, and lots more.

Even better, a portion of the pledges will go to the Beth Israel Medical Center “Favors for Neighbors” program, which supports elderly people in Stuyvesant Town, my NYC home.

Thanks to all my fans and supporters for pitching in and making this happen. You’ve been sustaining me for a long time but now I really can’t do it without you.

See you on the road!"

Garland

LONG LIVE GARLAND JEFFREYS!!!!


Entered at Tue May 21 18:40:20 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Now Sebastian knows that other people have it worse, like a conman's kids. Right, Jeff?


Entered at Tue May 21 18:02:05 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: It ain't over 'til it's over

Jeff- the scariest thing of all is that I think I can see your point.


Entered at Tue May 21 16:28:15 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Just the other day I picked up a nice clean copy of Jesse Winchester's self-titled debut LP, an original Ampex pressing for $5. I remember buying the album when it was first released and have a couple of other Ampex copies. Hadn't listened to it in a long time, but once I put it on the turntable, I was entranced and transported back in time. The joy of music defined.

Also picked up the rare 2-LP compilation, "Phil Spector's Greatest Hits" released in 1977 by Warner Bros. / Spector Records ($7). It features 24 classic Wall of Sound tracks produced by the twisted genius of rock & roll.


Entered at Tue May 21 16:03:01 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My memories of Levon Helm
Posted by Rick Hastings

"Years later, when I was nearly through university, I would meet a girl from Toronto. She told me her dad had grown up in Goderich, Ontario, but moved to Stratford as a teenager. He was a guitar player who lived with Richard Manuel and played in his band, The Revols. That girl is now my wife and the mother of our two amazing children. My father-in-law is Garth Picot, easily the best guitar player I’ve ever known.

A birthday gift for me On my birthday the following year, my girlfriend, her family and John Till and family went to see The Band play a show in Toronto. They had just released their album Jericho and thrilled the crowd with classic hits and selections from the new album that I loved instantly.

The concert was absolutely brilliant, but my night was about to get much better. Till went down to the stage after the show and told the group’s people who he was and that he, Garth and their families wanted to come backstage and talk to the guys. A quick check with the band members and we were led backstage into their dressing room.

I remember meeting Danko and being surprised that he wasn't nearly as tall as he seemed on stage. He was really friendly and joked that since we were both Ricks that he’d have an easy time remembering my name – an awful joke, but delivered in a way that made you feel glad he had said it. Hudson seemed to be mostly a giant beard and possibly shy so our introduction was predictably short.

Helm had been the star onstage and backstage too he was larger than life. He was pleased to meet me, but thrilled to see the two men he had known and with whom he had shared the stage many years earlier - Till and my father-in-law. I had known my father-in-law had been an accomplished musician, with uncommon skill, but to see him treated as an equal by these men was a memory I’ll never forget.

Helm said he remembered Garth’s daughter (my girlfriend) from her attendance at Manuel’s funeral in Stratford in 1986. As unlikely as that was to be true, Levon had a southern charm that made it impossible not to believe him. If nothing else, perhaps he just knew enough to say he remembered her, smile and make sure everyone that made the effort to see him play was having a good night. That stuck with me too. "


Entered at Tue May 21 15:30:25 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Mynah Birds: An In Depth Exclusive


Entered at Tue May 21 15:22:46 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill M...I loved Riz Ahmed (schooled at Oxford) and Liev Shreiber's characters and acting in AF...and I was surprised that I also enjoyed Canadian Kiefer Sutherland's acting in this film. You'll hear some of the amazing music in this clip.....but you really have to see the beginning of this film to not only hear but see.....how the music is played and experienced by all.


Entered at Tue May 21 15:09:49 CEST 2013 from (69.158.26.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

When rock was Yonge and guitar was king


Entered at Tue May 21 14:06:49 CEST 2013 from (24.189.208.76)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Stupid and hurtful comments come with the price of fame. I'm sure that Robbie knows that, like any professional does.

Reminds me of comments related to Lennon like, "they should have shot Yoko instead" - or, "they killed the wrong Beatle".

These comments come from the minds of morons. Consider the source.


Entered at Tue May 21 14:03:23 CEST 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Anyone want to hear the finest singing ever?

From 89min 45 sec.

You can just about make out my voice if you listen hard enough.

:-0)


Entered at Tue May 21 13:56:04 CEST 2013 from (67.87.216.73)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Da Trooth

Lars- this is Yogi Moe math. Two people = three versions of the truth. 5 people = 6 versions. The versions of the amount of people involved, and the actual 100% truth. ...It's really old conventional wisdom.


Entered at Tue May 21 13:49:45 CEST 2013 from (108.200.222.84)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Ari, I took your comment out of context deliberately, which just goes to show how easy it is to distort someone's larger point. I guess that strategy can be contagious. I must have picked it up somewhere.

Anyway, I'll try not to nitpick, but it comes naturally to me. I'll try to work on it though.....don't want to upset anyone. ;-)


Entered at Tue May 21 06:45:18 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

6?

Is this Yogi Berra math?


Entered at Tue May 21 06:44:19 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.217)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: closing in on 76 and still knocking em out of the park

Linked above. Review of Project Percolator featuring Garth, this last Saturday at the Egg


Entered at Tue May 21 04:36:12 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.217)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Oops

One more time, Sebastian: if that line about there are people with father's who have committed real crimes came off wrong- i didn't mean it as an insult or side swipe. I was trying to compare your relatvely not so difficult position to a much tougher position that the offspring of a semi well known person may be in. I wasn't insinuating anything about RR being a cr iminal, or if seems like i was, i din't intend it that way. A friend pointed out to me today that the swill aimed at Obama is far worse.Hw about being his daughter, and having all that to deal with. You got to find a way to ignore it. and to realize the world aint a one way street. Cause you wish something, it don't mean it;' gonna happen.. The Band story is 5 guys. So there are at least 6 versions of the truth.


Entered at Tue May 21 03:34:48 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.82)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: I certainly can see why anybody would be reluctant to be a fundamentalist. Just plain dumb. Mostly seems to involve the observance of selected teachings from long ago, quite often from some commentator on an earlier source and with arguable relation to the earlier teaching. For example, Christian fundamentalists seem bigger on what Paul had to say than what Jesus had to say, including on the really awkward question of religion. Jesus's advice: Go for Judaism. Fundamentalists' response: No friggin' way!


Entered at Tue May 21 02:18:36 CEST 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Ray Manzarek, dead at 74,,

A follow up to ROGER's post. Sad news.. RIP, dear Ray, and thanx for all the great music of the DOORS..

Ray Manzarek, founding member of The Doors, passed away on Monday, May 20 after battling bile duct cancer.

Another rock legend is lost. Ray Manzarek, a keyboardist and founding member of The Doors, passed away on Monday, May 20. He was 74.

According to the band's official Facebook page, Manzarek died at the RoMed Clinic in Rosenheim, Germany after battling bile duct cancer. The statement says that he was surrounded by his wife, Dorothy, and his brothers, Rick and James, at the time of his death.

Manzarek co-founded The Doors with Jim Morrison in 1965 after a "chance encounter" on Venice Beach, the Facebook post reads.

During his time with The Doors, the rock band sold more than 100 million records worldwide and gained recognition with their hits, including "L.A. Woman," "The End," "Hello, I Love You" and more.

After Morrison died in 1971, Manzarek became a best-selling author, publishing a memoir in 1998 and two novels: one in 2001 and the other in 2006.

Fellow Doors member, guitarist Robby Krieger, expressed his grief over the news.

"I was deeply saddened to hear about the passing of my friend and bandmate Ray Manzarek," he said via Facebook. "I'm just glad to have been able to have played Doors songs with him for the last decade. Ray was a huge part of my life and I will always miss him."

Manzarek is also survived by a son, Pablo, a daughter-in-law, Sharmin, and three grandchildren, Noah, Apollo and Camille.

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Thanx, ANGIE for the compliment..

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Take care all and God Bless xoxoxoxo


Entered at Tue May 21 01:22:08 CEST 2013 from (86.152.213.109)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham uk

Subject: Too soon gone

RIP Ray Manzarek - another door closes.


Entered at Mon May 20 23:45:16 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.217)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Free Advice

Sebastian- You may not welcome my advice, but, it's free, and worth exactly what you pay for it.. For your own well being, you should ignore the fan sites. There are many people who are nothing but abusive loudmouths, and there are people who have good , solid opinions that differ from yours. Then there are people who believe what you believe, and want them to believe. But you can't control the world, it's not going to happen.And it clearly takes a huge toll upon you.

You are not in too tough a position to be in. The world is not a place that agrees with anyone a hundred percent. Many people live productive, happy lives after overcoming far greater obstacles than being RR's son and reading stupdiity and swill from idiots. Or reading intelligent arguments that disagree with your and your father's version/opinion of what he claims to be truthful and factual.. You can't make it go away- ever. i twill not ever happen. The cat's out of the bag so to speak.....But many people have father's who have committed real crimes, war crimes, and other crimes.What you are faced with regarding stupid anti RR louts is nothing but an inconvenience to a comfortable life. People who make sound arguments relatively politely well, they are probably good Band fans and also are fans who patronize your father's work.. Count your belssings, and ignore the fan sites.Other people can interact with fans for your father, or you could find other ways to do it. Maybe start a RR fan club, and only interact with members. The Band is wide open country. While it mioght be hard to accept, because your father was only one member of a band that grew up organically with 5 guys together, his version of The Band's history is not the only one worth consdering. And fact is, noone's is going to be 100% objective. Not even Garth's. But i do believe Garth would be capable of being 99.9% objective.


Entered at Mon May 20 22:14:58 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Cadillac Records

Also in that scene, Beyonce, as Etta James, tells Leonard Chess that she knows "You're gonna sell the company." Ms. James recorded "I'd Rather Go Blind" in 1967, two years before the Chess brothers sold the label to GRT (General Recorded Tape).


Entered at Mon May 20 21:12:19 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Mon May 20 20:48:32 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks David P for all the exact details.
I loved the interactions between Muddy and Wolf's character and Little Walter....talented but the disease of alcoholism destroyed him while so young..... :-(


Entered at Mon May 20 20:17:57 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Cadillac Records

BEG: That scene in "Cadillac Records" where Beyonce sings "I'd Rather Go Blind" is somewhat inaccurate. The film leads you to believe it was being recorded at Chess Studios in Chicago. At the end of the scene you see the Chess sign outside and Leonard Chess driving off in his Cadillac. Etta James actually recorded it down south in Muscle Shoals, Alabama at FAME Studios with Rick Hall producing. Also, it's highly unlikely that Ms. James would have used a hand-held mic in the studio, as movement would have produced unwanted noise.


Entered at Mon May 20 19:24:34 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

You're welcome Bill M. I just caught the end of "Cadillac Records" once again. I love that film. I always cry when Etta (Beyonce) sings "I'd Rather Go Blind" at the end.....

Here's..."Richard singing an R&B tune at Crang Plaza in 64. Richard was the only guy in the band that could sing Soul and R&B according to Ronnie Hawkins. You should hear Richard do James Browns "Please, Please, Please". This is a Reel to Reel recording at the club. Bootlegged in 64, and then again now in 2013 for this video."

There are also music clips of The Hawks in Dallas, Texas and Port Dover.

Hey Peter. I saw "The Great Gatsby" and "The Reluctant Fundamentalist" this weekend. Totally different films of course but.....RF was the most satisfying except for the one scene of the students protesting....and Kate Hudson as photographer/love interest....didn't really work.

"The analyst is also presented with a book of his poet-father in a Turkish translation. Soon afterwards, he goes to a basilica-turned-mosque to pray, has an epiphany and decides not to chase the American Dream anymore. The lack of subtlety which pervades Mira Nair’s film is especially evident in these crucial scenes. Adapted from the 2007 novel by Mohsin Hamid, this well-intentioned political thriller uses the terrorist attacks of 9/11 as a springboard to probe abidingly relevant issues of xenophobia, violence and extremist ideologies. The Reluctant Fundamentalist is a long and lurching saga of Changez Khan (Riz Ahmed), the twenty-something financier disenchanted with the United States. Struggling against the upsurge of prejudice following the destruction of the twin towers, Khan finds himself a stranger in a strange land. He returns to Pakistan to take up a teaching assignment at a radicalized university. Utilizing the ungainly framing device of an interview with an American foreign correspondent (Liev Shreiber), the director feverishly cuts back and forth between Manhattan and Lahore in an attempt to ratchet up the tension."

Bill M....I bet you'd love the really cool Pakastani music throughout the film....especially at the very beginning. I sure did!

Prince's performance at Billboard Music Awards last night was fantastic! He'll be 55 next month and needs to be seen and heard! I found the complete video performance and then it was removed. It was on TV last night. Anyone could have taped it, so what's up? I just wanted to share with this music community.....Period.


Entered at Mon May 20 19:13:09 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Justice

Peter V: I'm reminded of the opening line in William Gaddis' novel, "A Frolic of His Own."

"Justice? -- You get justice in the next world, in this world you have the law."


Entered at Mon May 20 18:51:12 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.90)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: thanks for the Mynah Bird posts. Rick James may have been sentenced to a year for being AWOL, but I think he got ous much sooner. As well he should have, given how underage he was. In any case, hw was soon enough back in Toronto forming a new Mynah Birds (with bassist Neli Merryweather). That lineup returned to Motown to record, which really confuses attempts to sort out who played on what. As I've posted before, at one point they needed a new guitarist, and with Rick away the others hired Bruce Cockburn - tthen decided they didn't need Rick at all.


Entered at Mon May 20 18:47:34 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. I've said this many times. As a copyright holder, my stuff has been put on YouTube. It takes you weeks to register as an owner of content, by which time you've thoroughly lost it. Then when you give take-down notices, they are extremely slow to react. Then they don't flag that content to stop someone else putting it up. They could easily, marking the content in the way that iTunes recognizes the CD you've just put in your computer. People just give up in the end, which is their sure intent.

Google were described as "evil" last week in Britain for their tax evasion, claiming that all business is done in Ireland, while they have offices selling advertising in Britain.


Entered at Mon May 20 17:38:58 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: YouTube

Peter V: There's already an ongoing copyright infringement case filed against YouTube and its parent company Google Inc. The suit was filed in 2007 by Viacom, Comedy (Central) Partners, Country Music Television, Paramount Pictures and Black Entertainment Television. Just last month a Federal Court Judge in New York ruled that, under the "safe harbor" defense provisions of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, YouTube did not have actual knowledge of specific infringements of copyright holders' content, nor was it "willfully blind" to any such specific infringements. In his ruling the Judge held that the burden to proving infringement is upon the Viacom and the other copyright owners to give written notice to YouTube citing specific clip-by-clip infringements. The Judge thus ruled that "the burden of showing that YouTube knew or was aware of the specific infringements of the works in the suit cannot be shifted to YouTube to disprove." He further noted that "site traffic on YouTube has soared to more than 1 billion daily video views, with more than 24 hours of new video unloaded to the site every minute." The case has already been up on appeal once and Viacom has stated that they will appeal this latest ruling, so stay tuned, there's more to come.


Entered at Mon May 20 16:07:03 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan Meets Levon and the Hawks
1965
283 Yonge St...Friar's Club.
Today it's the Hard Rock Cafe with Band/Dylan memorabilia. I took one of Robbie's highschool classmates here. Upstairs I had a really fun time with Garth and the Crowmatics. It was the first time I heard Maud Hudson perform "It Makes No Difference" and loved it!


Entered at Mon May 20 16:00:08 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Absolutely love this photo of Levon in his bathrobe.


Entered at Mon May 20 15:51:33 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here's "Moe" Berg from The Pursuit of Happiness playing on the streets of Toronto...Original 12" Single and Video."I'm An Adult Now."
I used to see the DJ from MuchMusic who introduces this clip at the downtown Y.

The late June Callwood (writer and social activist) and David Suzuki (academic, science broadcaster and environmental activist) as well.


Entered at Mon May 20 15:34:08 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Vintage Horseshoe Tavern photo, Toronto

For now semi-retired co-owner Kenny Sprackman, it's all about those "magic moments." "You never know what's going to happen there," he says. Asked about a favourite memory, Sprackman describes the time in 1989 when The Band was playing on stage and Robbie Robertson —who had not played with the group for several years — walked in the back door and got on stage.

Inductees
1978 - Guy Lombardo, Oscar Peterson
1979 - Hank Snow
1980 - Paul Anka
1981 - Joni Mitchell
1982 - Neil Young
1983 - Glenn Gould
1984 - The Crewcuts, The Diamonds, The Four Lads
1985 - Wilf Carter
1986 - Gordon Lightfoot
1987 - The Guess Who
1989 - The Band
1990 - Maureen Forrester
1991 - Leonard Cohen
1992 - Ian and Sylvia
1993 - Anne Murray
1994 - Rush
1995 - Buffy Sainte-Marie
1996 - David Clayton-Thomas, Denny Doherty, John Kay, Domenic Troiano, Zal Yanovsky
1997 - Gil Evans, Lenny Breau, Maynard Ferguson, Moe Koffman, Rob McConnell
1998 - David Foster
1999 - Luc Plamondon
2000 - Bruce Fairbairn
2001 - Bruce Cockburn
2002 - Daniel Lanois
2003 - Tom Cochrane
2004 - Bob Ezrin
2005 - The Tragically Hip
2006 - Bryan Adams
2007 - Bob Rock
2008 - Triumph
Lead guitarist Rick Emmett was imagezulu's one time buddy from the West End YMCA. They would go to Rick's home in the west end and make cassette tapes of his music.
Years later, I'd see Jim Cuddy from Blue Rodeo and Moe Berg from The Pursuit of Happiness at the downtown YMCA. Now I think I see Moe at the West End Y which I also visit.
2009 - Loverboy
2010 - April Wine
2011 - Shania Twain
2012 - Blue Rodeo
2013 - k.d. lang


Entered at Mon May 20 15:07:32 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Go On & Cry-Mynah Birds-1966

In case you missed this gem from the links I previously posted on the TORONTO SOUND.

"Motown canceled this song on it's release date in 1966 when Rick James was arrested for going AWOL from the Navy. He served a year in jail & the band soon after broke up. The song was finally released 40 years later and this is one of those 5000 that were released. Neil Young was also a member of this band!!!!!!"


Entered at Mon May 20 15:01:42 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.235)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thank you Serenity. Yes, I remember "Angie Baby"...."You're a special lady. Living in a world of make believe.....Well....Maybe" :-D

Feeling About Half Past Dead: Down in the Basement With What’s Left of The Band

"His back-up kicked in and they played “Just Like a Woman,” which Jim Weider prefaced by saying they hadn’t played it before. When they were finished, an audience member said, “It looked like you rehearsed that,” to which Mr. Hudson responded gravely, “You were there?” Those were the only words he uttered the entire evening. The set ended with a take on The Band’s song “Rag Mama Rag.” It was all instrumental because there was no one left to sing it."


Entered at Mon May 20 12:45:32 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Adverse stuff

Sebastian, I'm no fan of YouTube, believing them the worst offenders against copyright in the world, although unlike bootleggers they don't charge directly (but they make money through ads). I do use it, because I'm working on a book on record labels, and it's often easier to check out and listen to an old record on YouTube rather than sort out a vinyl 45, even when I have a copy. The quantity of abuse on there is astonishing. We're talking about very low-profile artistes from 1962 or 1963, but you can still find someone who's prepared to post some foul and vehement crap about them. I make it a rule to not read the "comments" on there.

So for a high profile artiste, poison is inevitable. On the old feud stuff, there do seem to be a number of fundamentalists out there who believe Stephen Davis's novel (a description of This Wheel's On Fire used here and which I've always remembered … I don't know if your dad has heard that one) is the gospel word-for-word facts. They do seem to be a group who are "light the blue paper and stand clear" (as it says on British fireworks) on anything to do with The Band.

One day, an artist with deep pockets is going to sue YouTube both for copyright abuse AND allowing unmoderated and libellous comments to stay up there.

I don't think though that the discussion on here was really like that. It was on the 80s and 90s Band, and my point was that they could go out as The Band because they had two of the three lead singers, and they had Robbie's material, much as The Beach Boys had Brian Wilson's material (but not until recently, Brian Wilson). In their case they got down to two of the original five singers.

As soon as they got past the Original Qunitet material, the 90s Band floundered on inability to get equally good material … except for a song by Bruce Springsteen and a song by Bob Dylan. Those were the ones where they had the quality of writing. I also found it odd, given that Levon named his book This Wheel's On Fire, that the Dylan / Danko composition was the one song they almost never did live, in spite of its very high profile as the theme song of a hit TV sitcom.

It's arguable that the one thing you can't replace in recreating a song on stage is the original singing voice. Virtually any instrumentalist can be replaced on stage, which is why the world is full of tribute bands, though having said that, brilliant as Jim Weider is, the only intro to The Weight that sounds exactly right is when Robbie's playing it. And the drums only sound perfect with Levon.


Entered at Mon May 20 09:31:43 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

Posted by:

Ari

Todd, man, I know what I was writing, of you read the way I worded that you'll see that I'm being very fair and it has absolutely nothing to do with equality. I respect you Todd but please don't nitpick, i know what I wrote I was being very deliberate.


Entered at Mon May 20 09:23:32 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

Posted by:

Ari

Sebastian, who cares. I told you, that person is a waste of life. Besides my own father I've learned more from your father than any other person dead or alive. I'm relatively young, and I've just graduated from College ay nyu.I can assure you that nobody that talks of the band ever discusses this levon and Robbie bullshit. The only people that do are sad, lonely you tubers. If you ask any musician with a brain they all are very aware of Robbie's significance in the development of rock and roll.


Entered at Mon May 20 09:22:11 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

The discussion seemed fairly inoffensive to me. Just one of those "what if" type discussions that pop up every now and again. There are some pretty bad things written outside of this guestbook though. Youtube and some guitar forums are the worst offenders. But the people who write those comments aren't fans they're just ill informed gits. Sorry for any offence caused here Sebastian.


Entered at Mon May 20 06:34:06 CEST 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: John Lennon's guitar

WOW!!

Beatles guitar auctioned off to tune of $408,000 Alex Dobuzinskis Reuters Facebook

This custom-made electric guitar played by the late John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles recently sold at auction.A custom-made electric guitar played by the late John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles sold at a New York auction on Saturday for $408,000, said officials with the company behind the event.

The semi-hollow-body guitar, manufactured by the VOX company, was sold to an unidentified U.S. buyer at the "Music Icons" event organized by Beverly Hills, California-based Julien's Auctions and held at the Hard Rock Cafe in Manhattan.

Julien's said previously it expected the guitar, which was the centerpiece of Saturday's sale, to fetch between $200,000 and $300,000.

Harrison played the instrument, distinguished by two symmetrical flared shoulders on the upper body, while practicing "I Am The Walrus," and Lennon used it in a video session for the song "Hello, Goodbye," according to a statement from Julien's Auctions.

Both songs were on the Beatles' 1967 album "Magical Mystery Tour."

The VOX guitar was a prototype instrument custom-built for Lennon in 1966, said Martin Nolan, executive director of Julien's. Lennon gave the VOX guitar as a gift in 1967 to Yanni "Magic Alex" Mardas, who was the electronics engineer for the band's Apple Records label, the auction house said.

The instrument, displayed in recent weeks at a museum in Ireland before the sale, was sold a few years ago by Christie's Auction House for a little over $100,000. Nolan said the latest buyer, who sent a representative to Saturday's auction to bid on his behalf, wished to remain anonymous.

Lennon was shot to death in New York in 1980 by a deranged fan, and Harrison died of lung cancer in Los Angeles in 2001. The surviving members of the Beatles are Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr.

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Mon May 20 06:29:49 CEST 2013 from (69.121.106.230)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Sebastian. That is disgusting. I've not ever wished your father ill will,ill health, or poor luck.


Entered at Mon May 20 06:26:26 CEST 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Alan O'Day dead at 72

Hi guys;- Nice to read all postings and links..

BEG: Thanx for all you do in this site, and the links too. We all admire and you are indeed an angel here.xoxoxo

SEBASTIAN: We're with you, and don't like any negative posts about your dad. We all love and admire him for what he has done in the past, and continues to do.. All the memories he has given us through his music, and whatever he chooses to do at any point in his life.."IGNORANT & LAUGHABLE", as you said, are what these posters are. They shouldn't even be here PERIOD,but they are.[YUK!!] Hope we hear from you again soon..

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

An article I rec'd in my inbox today..

'Angie Baby' songwriter, 'Undercover Angel' singer Alan O'Day dies

Songwriter and singer Alan O'Day, who wrote tunes for such artists as the Righteous Brothers and Helen Reddy, then went on to land his own No. 1 hit in 1977, died at his home in Westwood, Calif. He was 72.

His label, 1st Phase Records, reported his death from cancer on Friday.

"Alan continued to write and perform until his last days," said a statement from the record company. "Alan was a generous man who gave his heart and soul to the music industry."

O'Day first signed with Warner Bros. in 1971 and wrote "Train of Thought" for Cher, "Rock and Roll Heaven" for the Righteous Brothers, and the No. 1 single "Angie Baby" in 1974 for Helen Reddy. Three years after that, he also topped the charts with his own single, "Undercover Angel."

In the next decade he paired with Janis Liebhart to share writing credits on many songs for the "Muppet Babies" cartoons. During his career, his songs were performed by other artists, including Tom Jones, Dusty Springfield and Tony Orlando.

The Hollywood Reporter quoted a statement from O'Day's friend and fellow songwriter Diane Warren: "My dear dear friend and mentor Alan O'Day has passed away. 'If you believe in forever, then life is just a one-night stand. If there's a rock and roll heaven, well you know they've got one hell of a band.' (From Alan's song 'Rock And Roll Heaven'). Well the band just got better. Rest in peace my friend." He is survived by his wife, Yuka.

Hope you all are having a good holiday!!

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Mon May 20 06:14:27 CEST 2013 from (98.149.168.95)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: well...

someone wished my dad was dead instead of levon, rick or richard on the internet today. cheers.


Entered at Mon May 20 05:31:41 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Just classic.


Entered at Mon May 20 04:10:23 CEST 2013 from (63.133.201.134)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: JRR & contributions to the whole

There's another aspect to Robbie's participation where I don't think he gets his due credit - that would be the absence of guitar solos on the LPs, something pretty unheard of at that time. Guitar players are not normally guys content to hold back & not demonstrate their chops. I recognize that it became different in their live shows, particularly later on, but I'd say he sacrificed some headlines for the sake of the song -


Entered at Mon May 20 03:16:28 CEST 2013 from (69.121.106.230)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Jed, thank you. Todd, spinning, in this GB? Nah...

Bonk, regarding your post to Sebastian, i hope you don't think i attacked RR. I didn't write anything negative about him at all in that exchange. Writing that he barely performed live since TLW is not an attack nor does it have any negative implication. Same as what i wrote about the 80s and 90s Band being mosty a live act has no negative connotation.

RR has accomplished some things that none of the other OQ members have. That's not lost on me. None of the rest of them were suited to become Hollywood or music industry executives, and that is by no means a small feat. While many of you may think I am being sarcastic, i am not. I am being very factual.

Levon did become an acclaimed actor. Also, a case of a Band member being skilled at something none of the other were.


Entered at Mon May 20 02:03:52 CEST 2013 from (108.200.222.84)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Jeff, good point about being taken out of context.....but surely you know that can be an art form in and of itself.

Ari, I appreciate your passion & enthusiasm, but when you write things like: "It isn't hard for anyone to do the simple math in that your dad was the most instrumental in the bands success."....well.....that's the type of thing that tends to divide people, makes for hard feelings and can be just as offensive as saying that he was lesser than the others in some way. It's kind of like saying that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

I think that Robbie himself would be the first to admit that the Band's best music happened when they were all firing on all cylinders, and achieved a level as a group that may have been unattainable on their own.

Lars, thanks buddy!


Entered at Mon May 20 01:42:23 CEST 2013 from (99.141.60.150)

Posted by:

Adam

I would just like to clarify: I absolutely agree that the original quintet of The Band was truly five members, absolutely essential and EQUAL in every way.

My comments about Band members performing together, post Last Waltz: I was saying that we should go by what history recorded. Levon, Rick and Garth released albums as The Band starting in 1993. By the logic that "all five original Band members are essential/equal", those releases/activities showed that with three original members, it was appropriate/deserving to use The Band name and do it justice. I'm not saying that The Band 1993-1999 was the SAME, was EQUAL or BETTER than the original quintet... just that Helm, Danko and Hudson were seen as legitimate users of The Band name by their contemporaries (Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers, Hot Tuna, etc.)

Those previous thoughts then got me to thinking. The original quintet of The Band was five equal members, and in the '90s three of those equal members legitimately released new material as The Band. Therefore, when Robbie, Rick and Garth performed together (Juno Awards 1989, Rock Hall 1994), it should be viewed as "legitimately" The Band as the '90s edition. Of course, like Peter V pointed out, there were other "3 member" combinations that probably wouldn't stand up to being called The Band. Rick, Richard and Garth playing together in the '80s... that feels like more a case of Levon not being available temporarily (acting roles, didn't want to fly, etc).

These are all just experimental thoughts, ideas, etc... I do not have the answers and am just proposing the other members of the GB to contribute.


Entered at Mon May 20 01:41:28 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Sebastian

Hey Man. I understand where you're coming from when some one attacks your Dad. Fuck, I'd be pissed off too. But try to take it with a grain of salt. Most people, including myself, just were not there from 1957 to 1976 and have really no clue just what went on. Only the five know and no one else. As human beings some people just run with what they read and don't give any thought that they might be wrong or that they might hurt some one. I'm sure if everybody had 10 minutes to sit down with your Pop and ask him something that was bugging them about The Band he could smooth over a lot of feathers. Thats why I hope he doesn't pull any punches with his book and calls a spade a spade. Never mind this Band motto of not talking about certain things (well not everything). It's time to let loose and tell the real story. Oh I imagine he'll get racked over the coals on a lot of things but you know what? Fuck it. It's time that the truth was told.


Entered at Mon May 20 01:13:40 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: SaltSpring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: The Band

Chill people. Chill. I don't think that I've ever read here on the GB that someone has said that one member or the other could be easily replaced or was dispensable from the original five. Never! The music just wouldn't have worked. Can you imagine if Robbie had let Eric Clapton join the band. It might have been interesting but it also would have been the end of the Band. I think sometimes, some of us, and I've been guilty, read things into some ones post that the poster didn't mean to convey. These 5 guys didn't sell a gazillion records and like Levon once said they never sucked off any chickens or destroyed any hotel rooms. They were THE BAND! And when they were on their game, they were the best. Period.


Entered at Mon May 20 00:49:53 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Billy C.

I am sorry for jumping on the comments.Your explanation and context are reasonable and there was no malice in your intent.Given how sore the topic is,as a son to his dad,I can see why Sebastion was upset.I still hope Sebastion is willing to return to the guitar question I asked earlier! From the old hippie in me-peace to all!


Entered at Sun May 19 23:55:32 CEST 2013 from (69.121.106.230)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

I should add, in the original post, my paragrpah prior certainly put the discussion in the context that I have referred to. This is not rocket science.


Entered at Sun May 19 23:46:07 CEST 2013 from (69.121.106.230)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: The actual subject. Prior and what I actually typed.,.

There was a discussion begun by Adam. The topic of his post was what would qualify as a Band performance. Adam proposed a three member rule, any 3 members, to call a performance as being by The Band after TLW. There was ensuing discussion.Peter, Kevin, others participated.If people would bother to read my post, it states that all the members were inidspensable to the Original Quintent.Very clearly. At no time did i ever write that RR was dispensable to The Band, the ROiginal Quintet or any of the music or accomplishments prior to the final separation. I've been on record all the years as saying The Band was 5 people. All uniquley gifted and indispensable.That the music they created till they split upo was unique to the mixture of the 5. I have not written different than that now.

Well, Sebastian has written " I've heard it all now..." about what i posted. That is inaccurate. I didn't say anything,. I typed something.

It would help to read and understand what I wrote. the few typos do not change the meaning or make it hard to understand. It is easy to understand. And it certainly fits the context of the discussion started by Adam, and recently continued by Kevin when he wrote anything without all 5 should not have been named The Band.

"OF course, The Band OQ)was 5 indispensable members till they stopped workign together.( TLW and Islands). The 80s and 90s Band got lots of criticism here for some of their live performances. RR has barely performed live as a solo act (and never as a memembr of another band )since he left The Band. Consider all that, and consider that The 80s and 90s Band was mostly a performing act. If you look at it from that perspective, and you consider that this was a Band that reformed after a hiatus/ disconnect, the most dispensable member was RR. I couldn't imagine calling it The Band without Garth though. Who could fill those shoes?"

I was clearly discussing the 80s and 90s Band. As were Adam, Peter, Kevin, etc etc. And , if you consider he was not in the 80s and 90s Band, clearly, i am not wrong.. Rod understood m post, and respoinded, almost on topic. he answered me about the 80s 90s band, but then went on to sya tht Richard was pretty much dispensable in the 70s. I disagree. Noone was dispensable till they separated. To the actual original Band, noone was dispensable. That version of The Band was put to rest.


Entered at Sun May 19 22:48:16 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ari

The Internet ,a friend advised a while back is like the Wild West.Information with no bounds and a springboard for people's venom that remains hidden,along with cowardice,behind a keyboard.If I may suggest,its never worth engaging people in debate related to their anger and hatred,in general ,and particularly online.Just not worth it.Over the past year I've seen vitriol on artist web pages,too often directed at the artist or other musicians,that is verbally assaultive just short of violent.Ive seen hatred directed to dead musicians-like Vince Welnick and Brent Mydland of the Grateful Dead-horrible,false rumors and invective.Severly angry words at Derek Trucks and his wife for his breaking up DTB infavor of TTB.This is the Internet.Many people credit the creators of all the new technology.I don't.Yes,I enjoy the banter and great discussions.Email is nice.But,I believe we can all live without it.Sadly,the tech innovators innovated without the ethics,social,psychological and spiritual ramifications keeping pace with the new technology.Thus,attacking RR is provided a vehicle in the cowardly universe of the Internet.Ari,all I can offer is my empathy to you for trying to speak truth and do the right thing.Just not worth the time and effort on faceless angry types.


Entered at Sun May 19 21:19:05 CEST 2013 from (69.121.106.230)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Joan.
"..........penicillin is a deadly medication." Isolated and taken out of context of the entire writing and the larger subject matter, anything can be ridiculous. Sometimes people are just looking for an argument. Don't let em bother you.



Entered at Sun May 19 21:04:48 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

Posted by:

Ari

Subject: Sebastian

I'm really sorry you have had to read things like that about your dad, I can't imagine what that's like. I want you to know that the only people that dislike your father are people you wouldn't want to be associated with anyways. I was having this argument with this asshole on YouTube who started up the whole songwriting debate and was spewing hatred on how Robbie is a greedy Jewish pig and then went on to say that next time Robbie goes to Saturday morning services he should send his friends some cash. After he said that he started to tell me directly that he no longer wanted to be "bored" by what I had to say anymore and that I go bother someone else. He then proceeded to tell me that the only reason he was even responding to me was because he is waiting for his bags at the Maui airport. Then he started to brag to me about how he and his wife were gonna smoke pot under the hot Kona sun. He went on and on about his great life in Maui and that the reason he was there at all is because to be successful an make a lot of money was to be chill like him. My point in saying all this is that the only people that dislike your father are people like this guy. Antisemitic, loser slobs with no sense of reality. I sometimes have to remind myself that for all the great people that love the band, there are a lot of stupid people that love the band too. The way I see it is that the only people that dislike your father are worthless people, honestly. It isn't hard for anyone to do the simple math in that your dad was the most instrumental in the bands success. The people that love your dad really do love your dad and I think the number of those people outweigh then pathetic dimwits that you seem to constantly have to combat. I'm about to do a double feature today at the museum of moving image in Astoria. First is bob raefelsons Head, with the Monkees then Last waltz at 630. This will be the third time I will have see. Last Waltz on a big screen, following a great experience at the Ziegfeld when Levon died. I hope this whole thing doesn't make Levon seem like a Villian to you, I truly think he did not realize the consequences of his actions. Only once had he publicly accused Robbie of this songwriting thing and the rest has just been the idiotic fans who love drama. The fact that your father did not sing the songs is extremely generous of him but the effect of it has made it hard for certain fans to relate to your father on a visceral level. Since Levon is often the voice of the band he often gets the benefit of the doubt because people feel like they know him because they have lived through him with songs like Dixie, cripple creek, the weight, etc. anyways I hope you don't take these awful comments about your father to heart because in the grand scheme of things (and especially when your dad releases his autobio, people will remember the music and not this temporary tiff.


Entered at Sun May 19 20:43:14 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Agree

The Band is The Band,not an individual.No one can,in my imagination,be dispensable.For a few years after hearing MFBP I had no idea who was who other than trying to match the faces I saw in concert with the Pink inside cover.When seeing them live,my eyes and ears moved around,never focusing on one musician even when a particular singer was singing lead.It was a collective of brilliant and diverse musicians,each musically magnetic,but the whole was greater than the parts.And the "parts"were incredibly special in The Band.


Entered at Sun May 19 20:32:47 CEST 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The BAND.....Undivided

Sad is the only word that comes to my mind when I chance in here to read some of this. Although he puts it well, I think to Sebastian it has to be hurtful, for that Sebastian for those of us who are true fans of "THE BAND", and always have and always will be, you may have our apologies.

To make any of these comments of who was more important, more entertaining, more talented, a better musician are just silly. The Band is, was, and always will be THE BAND. The notion of taking anyone away is nonsensical.

On one of those Youtube interviews some where, I watched Levon explaining how they would take a song and perhaps each of them would have a go at singing it, then decide who would take the lead, who would sing what harmony part where was one of the best examples of how they all had the respect and integrity for the songs and the music. The old line, "the egos were left at the door" I am sure was the case with making sure they could collectively get the most out of what they were doing.

I'm glad I was there from the beginning to share that music, sadly, (for me) I never got myself into the right place to see them live.

In this dissection of these 5 men there are those of us who will "always" enjoy that combination happened, better than Haley's Comet.


Entered at Sun May 19 20:00:54 CEST 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Dispensible ?

I don't know where Sebastian got the 'indispensable" and I'm not going back through all the posts. but the idea is ridiculous.They were an integral unit of 5 pieces. you might prefer one more than the others (everyone knows how I feel about Rick :-) ) but the chemistry would not have been the same.


Entered at Sun May 19 19:18:54 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Ulster County, NY

Subject: The Band

Nicely put, Todd. At this point I think it's futile to start rating the contributions of each member of The Band. That's why I think of them as The Band. I've never bought into all of the talk about "The Feud" (I wasn't there) and the validity of TLW being "a crock of shit." Maybe it was, but I wasn't there. I DO know that TLW was what drew me to The Band in the first place.

I got over the idea of The Band members being "a band of brothers" along with the idea that I was someday going to visit the Lost Boys in Neverneverland. But it's nice to think about them having a special bond. What's more important to me is the way they meshed while making music. It will always be very special chemistry to my way of thinking.


Entered at Sun May 19 19:08:45 CEST 2013 from (108.200.222.84)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Intersection of Rock & Roll

This is one of the best things that I've ever read about the origins of The Hawks / The Band, and really encapsulates one of the aspects of their sound that made them relevant and unique. From one of BEG's posted quotes in an earlier post:

".....Haust values most a snippet of 8 mm film featuring drummer Levon Helm and a postadolescent Robbie Robertson, not yet a member of the Hawks but clearly comfortable playing lead guitar lines on a cream Telecaster, sitting in with a teenage rockabilly band in Oshawa.
“It’s the keystone, the intersection of American and Canadian rock ‘n’ roll,” he said. “No image better captures the moment when the Toronto sound was born.”

They never would have been the same without all of the elements. And once that balance shifted, things just weren't the same. Final answer......all essential.


Entered at Sun May 19 18:51:22 CEST 2013 from (108.200.222.84)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Divisiveness - A Poison from Either Side of the Aisle

Personally I don't think ANY of them were dispensable. Just as significant, I also don't think that any single one of them was more important than any of the others. The thing that made them great was the combination of all 5 men and the collective power of their alchemy.

The problem is, that over the years some have tired to portray one member as being more important than some of the others. That type of divisiveness opens the door to thinking about who may have been less important. You can't have one point of view without the other. In my humble opinion it's a poison no matter which way it is argued, and ultimately is the downfall of many great collaborations.

I don't dislike any of the members, and consider them all to be essential. Which is why I will always consider myself to be a collaborationist.

On poetry, I do think Rock & Roll writers can be considered poets. Maybe not all of them, but Robbie, Chuck, and Dylan are definitively worth of consideration.


Entered at Sun May 19 18:42:27 CEST 2013 from (65.94.113.18)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Support

Robbie Robertson was a critical piece and to denigrate his contribution to the Band is to misunderstand anything about what the Band was. The members were all vital to the creativity lyrically and musically. Enough already with comparisons and the trivial nonthinking approach to music. He was, is and always will be. To use the word 'dispensible' in this context misses the entire meaning of what that quintet was.


Entered at Sun May 19 18:30:50 CEST 2013 from (98.149.168.95)

Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: I've heard it all now...

I like to scroll through here from time to time and give little updates when i can. All in all it's a pretty cool place but I think I've just read the most ridiculous statement in the history of this guestbook. "...Robbie was the most dispensable member of The Band" You have got to be kidding me. If this is true then why all the songwriting dispute? Why not just craft a few more of the greatest songs in rock history? You might not like my dad and you might have been influenced by a gossip book or by the national enquirer or whatever you consider gospel but that kind of statement is ignorant and laughable.


Entered at Sun May 19 15:36:45 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Rod-RR Guitars

I've played epiphones and strats for years now,and with a few alterations on the amp or in the guitar itself one can readily discover a Les Paul sound and tone.So,you may be correct that RR was using a Les Paul,but hard to tell.Perhaps Sebastian might be kind enough to ask RR what guitars were used on which songs/albums.Would be very interesting to learn.BTW,on the Layla album,Duane Allman was asked which guitar was his and which was EC's and he responded that if you can tell a Gibson from a Fender you'd know.Well,on that album,one can certainly hear the difference.If Duane had used an epiphone,and set up his gear to sound like a gibson,could we tell?And,back to RR,I found that often,in his live shows with The Band,I'd close my eyes on certain songs to listen and his guitar was way phatter than the strat he was playing-sounding much like the Les Paul.


Entered at Sun May 19 14:45:31 CEST 2013 from (69.158.27.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Very young Hawks


Entered at Sun May 19 14:44:07 CEST 2013 from (69.158.27.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm


Entered at Sun May 19 14:40:18 CEST 2013 from (69.158.27.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

In my previous post of the many music clips....“It’s My Time,” though, became one of the great lost Motown singles. It made its first official appearance on a Motown boxed set a few years ago, and finally appeared in its originally intended form this past weekend, with its b-side “Go On and Cry.” (So good!!)

"The recordings that stay with me the most are the ones from 1958. At that time, in a small studio on Kingston Road in Toronto, Jimmy Ray Paulman, Willard “Pop” Jones, Ronnie Hawkins and of course on drums, Levon Helm laid down some tracks.

“They” (whoever they are / the experts) say that the tracks that were laid down in that session may have been the best ever recorded by them. I think they were originally released under the name “Ronnie Hawkins Quartet”. I have only one, “30 Days” the Chuck Berry song. Listen to those very young men and especially Levon in this classic recording."


Entered at Sun May 19 14:32:14 CEST 2013 from (69.158.27.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Making A Scene - The Toronto Sound


Entered at Sun May 19 14:21:07 CEST 2013 from (69.158.27.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"But back to Johnson’s averted fight in 1964. The story is a little too convenient to be entirely believable, but supposedly Hudson and Helm took the shaken young sailor to a local bar, where he jumped up onstage with the band playing at the time. That group was impressed enough that they invited him to join them, and renamed themselves the Sailorboys. Johnson quickly got to be on good terms with a lot of members of the Toronto music scene. One of them was Shirley Matthews, a local celebrity at the time: she’d had a big Canadian hit with “Big Town Boy” earlier in 1964.

Matthews, learning that Johnson was a fugitive and in danger of being found out, suggested he rename himself Ricky Matthews, after a cousin of hers who had died. At some point, the Sailorboys changed their name to the Mynah Birds; they shifted their lineup a few times, adding a keyboardist who went by the name Goldy McJohn. (A single called “The Mynah Bird Hop” got recorded somewhere around this time.)"


Entered at Sun May 19 12:45:11 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Sunday Mornings

Sorry, that was COMPLEMENT not "compliment" which they certainly don't do.


Entered at Sun May 19 12:42:37 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Good to see you back, Haso. Robbie is said to be working on Rock of Ages.

Hoskyns was published several months before the Helm / Davis volume. He’s a consistently good journalist, but over the last 20 years a lot more information has surfaced. As far as I could establish, he moved to Woodstock to write the book, but when Levon found out it was in preparation, he asked people not to speak to Hoskyns. Whether Levon had started already, or was inspired to start by Hoskyns’ research is a debated point. Hoskyns did interview Robbie before he did the book (and didn’t get on with him), and of course much later, many years after publication interviewed Levon at length and there was either no hard feelings or Levon didn’t know who he was.

Sure, there are faults, like describing what was on tapes as if he’d been at concerts, but you either have the insider view or the detached view and both are important. As several rock / film business journalists have pointed out, professional entertainers tend to be likeable people, and once you’ve socialised with them, all objectivity flies out of the window. Both books compliment each other, and both draw on the original Ronnie Hawkins “Rolling Stone” interview and Robert Palmer’s A Portrait of The Artists as Young Hawks from “Rolling Stone.” Stephen Davis, assembling Levon’s book, hops over to Rick Danko speaking, or draws stuff from those articles.

Some fans got vehement about Hoskyns, but I think he did a great deal to keep interest going in The Band.


Entered at Sun May 19 11:02:55 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Robbie and Telecasters

I just read the Elliot Easton article that BEG provided a link to. It got me wondering about how many recordings Robbie actually used a Tele or Strat on. Certainly they were his main instruments live but a lot of the studio videos and pictures from the 60s and early seventies show him playing various Epiphones. Perhaps the Epiphones looked cooler for the camera but a lot of Band recordings don't have the classic Tele sound. Some of the tracks on Islands especially sound more like a Les Paul tone to me. It would be great to see some studio photos from the post Stage Fright days to see what instruments they used.


Entered at Sun May 19 10:10:43 CEST 2013 from (76.28.98.146)

Posted by:

Haso

Location: Seacoast NH

Subject: 2nd visit, some questions

First off, thanks to whomever for continuing this on-going forum.

Thanks to a welcome back in February (2.16) from Dlew99 & Joan. I do try to read up now & again, but since I'm awake at this un-godly hour, I'll make some comments here. Joan: it's "haso", not "hosa", but that's no biggie.

I have to say I'm glad, if I have this right, that Robbie's son Sebastian & Peter V (who I take to be the same individual as the writer of quite a few entries in the Library) contribute to this guestbook. Of course it'd be excellent if Robbie &/or Garth someday put down their experiences as Levon did. That touches on my main question.

. Recently read (2nd time for both) Hoskyns, followed by Levon's memoir. What is the general take here of Hoskyns? By & large is he pretty accurate? Seems so to me, but many others on this guestbook know a lot more than I do. Having watched the BBC classic albums doc multiple times, his comments seem as informed as a lot of the principals there (George, EC, Don Was, Bernie Taupin, of course the 4 surviving members; must say, John Simon comes off as a thoroughly likable fellow). The dialogues btw Levon & Mr. Simon are pretty much the highlights, in some fashion, of that well-spent 75 minutes.

I also honestly can't see much value in revisiting the Levon/RR contretemps, although I guess plenty do. As a fan, I'd just be happy that they apparently had a rapproachment at the end. Perhaps there's room for conjecture, but much seems like hypotheticals... such as would Winter Park, FL happen w/out TLW? Who really knows. As RR has said, we all didn't know much about addiction or substance abuse, etc in 1968 or '76. None of us are yet angels.

As I recall it, the guys from Liverpool said they'd stop playing "live", too, around about Abbey Rd or Let it be. Didn't exactly work out the way it sounded either.

As w/ everbody, I suspect we wish there had been ways for The Band to continue. Always thought it's a bummer that the lifestyle takes its toll. Dr. John's inimitable commentary on the TLW dvd track says it best. It's made me think almost, like, how could it be otherwise. If you say, go from the Skyline to Isle of Wight to Woodst. to Watkins Glen, in what say 10 years. Don't think it's just as Ricky said about how much money they were all of a sudden making. Just imagine at WG (for my money the one event I most wish to have attended, unfortunately most of us 18 year olds in the US Midwest didn't know much about upstate NY in 1973). There's what between the 3 groups 17, 18, maybe 19 musicians. Sure people were there for a lot of reasons, but at the base, it was to hear those 18 or so play songs. 600,000! How could that possibly not f*** w/ your head? There's definitely more coping mechanisms today.

Lastly, changing subjects: is there something afoot w/ RR &/or Garth rehabbing/extending/filling out RofA? Thanks, sorry to be so wordy.


Entered at Sun May 19 02:06:11 CEST 2013 from (75.34.58.110)

Posted by:

Adam

Peter V, Jan D, BEG - I fully expect to see "From Bacon Fat To Judgement Day"! Of course, I'm only 24, so I have full confidence that I can wait it out and that it will be released in my lifetime. John D's comment about Jan Haust is promising: let's try and get in contact with him and see about any news!

What makes me optimistic that The Hawks box set will be released someday is Garth's dedication to the project. He has said in print that it has been in the works for more than 15 years. Garth tends to take his time with projects, and like Neil Young's "Archives", I'm sure creating new music gets priority treatment.


Entered at Sun May 19 00:44:34 CEST 2013 from (76.124.39.182)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: Egos

Kevin, after a long summer of '76 (May thru October) I moved to Drexel Hill, a little west of Philadelphia. Usually the only time I'd go out to a bar was when there was a band playing, so from the late '70's on I'd go to the Chestnut Cabaret, Ardmore Cabaret, The Bijou, TLA or Ripley's Music Hall. Sometimes there'd be a road trip to the Lone Star Cafe or Tramps in NYC. Egos was a mostly disco flavored (yucch!) place on the same piece of real estate where Tony Marts once was.


Entered at Sat May 18 23:18:55 CEST 2013 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin from Northeast PA

Subject: Somers Point / Margate

Peter M: We were probably at Maloney's at the same time. I was there a few times in 76. Where was Ego's at? Was that AC or in Somers Point. I have not been back to that area in 30 years now. Are you still there?


Entered at Sat May 18 22:29:37 CEST 2013 from (76.124.39.182)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Somers Point/Ocean City NJ

After 5 years in Tulsa, Ok, I moved to Ocean City in May '76. Worked in a restaurant kitchen in Somers Point with 5 other guys with whom I shared a big summer rental house. Most of them would go out to Mothers or Maloney's or Dunes Till Dawn after work. They liked the packed atmosphere with the 5 for $1 beers, I didn't. Tony Marts was still operating, but I don't think I ever went there. I did return to the Band reunion at Egos. The casinos had opened, and I was no fan of them. Egos was full of chrome or brass railings and glass tables. I got a very casinolike vibe out of the place. But it was great to see the guys playing a very Moondog Matinee/ Hawks type set. It was an event commemorating Tony Marts and the music reflected that time. The crowd was weirdly slick. Lots of disco looking clothing and oiled back hair on the guys. I heard somebody in line negotiating a deal to buy machine guns. The atmosphere severely creeped me out, but the music was raucous and magnificent.


Entered at Sat May 18 21:09:32 CEST 2013 from (92.18.191.176)

Posted by:

Pigs

Location: Might

Subject: Fly !

;( mr jh ;) Thanks for all you do.


Entered at Sat May 18 21:08:47 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bacon Fat …

I'd love to be proven wrong, but how many times has that release date been changed? Five years? Six? More? Hands up if you expect to ever see it.


Entered at Sat May 18 20:09:07 CEST 2013 from (85.255.44.134)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

According to this web site (see link above), the _From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day_ compilation will be released in 2013 :-)


Entered at Sat May 18 19:55:31 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

John D, Howie Long. Am not kidding.


Entered at Sat May 18 19:49:58 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: That Thing You Do / Pat B

Pat I do have the extended version. I do remember more Charlene; but neither my wife; or I remember Ton Hanks having a love interest. Disc 2?


Entered at Sat May 18 17:14:30 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: BEG

Thank you for the correct spelling of Jan's last name. I knew that. Just a stupid mistake.


Entered at Sat May 18 16:49:19 CEST 2013 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin from Northeast PA

BEG - Totally agree on the Atlantic City vibe. In the Mid 70's gambling had not yet arrived but by the end of the decade, probably 78 or 79, the first casinos opened. The area changed rapidly. Although I suspect the farther south you went (OC, Somers Point, things did not change too much or as fast).

Margate was too close to AC and the changes came quick. Several years later my wife and I took a long weekend in Margate and were surprised at the changes. No one was in Maloney's anymore (used to be packed for Memorial Day weekend) and the entire area was way more expensive than just a few years before (probably why kids were no longer coming). I'm not a gambler but I can't see how the changes worked out for the best.


Entered at Sat May 18 16:26:22 CEST 2013 from (69.158.30.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Kevin from NE PA. Thank you so much for Lucy the Elephant. imagezulu's Ma collects elephants....has a whole display case with many kinds from all over the world. I can make a photo card with this picture for her 88th birthday in a couple of months. As for Atlantic City....I gambled there once (a lot of stretch limos present) and checked out the Aquarium, but I didn't like the vibe there.....

I met Jan Haust the night I met Bill M at Jeff Healey's with Garth performing. Maud was sitting beside Joni Mitchell's daughter and Bill M.

A tribute to Toronto’s lost musical heritage
late Greg Quill

“We’ve only scratched the surface,” Haust said in a phone interview from New Orleans, where he’s researching more of Toronto’s rock and blues heritage for possible future documentary enterprises.

“But we’ve dug a little deeper than the so-called official musical history of Toronto, which is generally accepted to have begun in Yorkville with Lightfoot, Neil and Joni. That’s just not the case.”

The absence of any previous documentation of Toronto’s musical culture Haust blames on the city’s crippling inferiority complex.

“Our history was lost in the cultural crossfire between Britain and America. We never measured up … or thought we didn’t. Even when Bob Dylan chose Robbie Robertson and Levon and the Hawks as his first electric backup band — as proud a moment in rock history as we could ever claim as our own — Toronto’s own press dismissed them as ‘third-rate’ and unworthy of such glory.”

Among dozens of interviews with period musicians (David Clayton Thomas, John Kay, Cathy Young, Dujke Edwards, Stan Endersby, Grant Smith, Hawkins, George Olliver, Shawne Jackson) and movers and shakers (Roman, concert promoter John Brower and Vagabond chief Edjo, whose 80-member bike gang escorted John Lennon and Yoko Ono, in the Eaton family limo, to Varsity Stadium for the 1969 Live Peace in Toronto), Haust values most a snippet of 8 mm film featuring drummer Levon Helm and a postadolescent Robbie Robertson, not yet a member of the Hawks but clearly comfortable playing lead guitar lines on a cream Telecaster, sitting in with a teenage rockabilly band in Oshawa.

“It’s the keystone, the intersection of American and Canadian rock ‘n’ roll,” he said. “No image better captures the moment when the Toronto sound was born.”


Entered at Sat May 18 16:03:36 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bacon Fat

I haven't spoken with Jan House for sometime; but his business partner for some of his projects told me it wasn't too far away. I have no idea what the holdup has been.


Entered at Sat May 18 15:54:23 CEST 2013 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin from Northeast PA

Web: My link

Subject: Jersey Shore

BEG - great links to the south Jersey shore. I was too young for the hey day of Tony Marts, although I suspect it was still there in the mid 70's. My friends and I had a taste for Maloney's Tavern, in Margate, just north of Somers Point (closer to Atlantic City). Just down the street from Maloney's was the beach and Lucy The Elephant, a local landmark (see link).

Maloney's had an excellent juke box and I've never been in a place where everyone sang along as much as we did there. Great times (5 beers for a dollar - my friends older brother remember when it was 7 for a dollar).

I do remember heading out of Margate to another bar that I think was Dusk to Dawn or Dunes to Dawn or something like that. They had live RocknRoll that we danced to. We weren't big dancers so most times we just hung out at Maloney's meeting many interesting people (plus we stayed across the street at the Washington Motel - no driving). BEG's links brought back a lot of good time memories of the entire crowd in the bar singing along to Piano Man.


Entered at Sat May 18 15:19:57 CEST 2013 from (69.158.30.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

We love our British based holidays for sure!
For those in TO this long weekend.....


Entered at Sat May 18 15:15:38 CEST 2013 from (69.158.30.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"After logging many hours on the Favilla, it became clear to the young guitarist that if he hoped to accurately reproduce the sounds that he heard on his favorite recordings, he would need an electrified instrument—specifically, a Fender Telecaster. “I was crazy about the Band. My hero was Robbie Robertson, and he played a Telecaster,” Easton says. “I also loved Jesse Ed Davis with Taj Mahal, and Bakersfield country players like James Burton and Roy Nichols, and they all played Telecasters. So in 1971, I got a job washing dishes in a restaurant and saved up $225 for a custom-ordered lefty Fender Telecaster. I drove Grayson’s nuts, because I would call them every day to see if the guitar came in.”

Despite his appreciation for the Telecaster, Easton’s eyes (and ears) soon wandered to Les Pauls. “I was a Mike Bloomfield freak, and that Les Paul tone on the Super Session album was just the greatest thing I ever heard,” he says.


Entered at Sat May 18 14:35:07 CEST 2013 from (69.158.30.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Oecan City Days: The Secretary who Changed the World
& The Legend of Woodstock before the Festival

......"just as The Band's version of "The Weight" is not used in the Easy Rider film or soundtrack, but a cover band's version. And I think that decision was Grossman's. ????

Around 1986, after seeing the Band and the Band minus Robbie Robertson, and Danko and Manuel together a few times, I helped arrange for the Band to return to Somers Point for a Tony Marts reunion at Egos, the new disco nightclub that was built on the Tony Mart site." ????


Entered at Sat May 18 14:06:51 CEST 2013 from (146.171.254.96)

Posted by:

Rod

From a purely guitar playing point of view RR may have been dispensable but I think they missed his leadership both on and off the stage (it wasn't alsways on the stage). Richard was pretty much dispensable in the mid 70's as their live sets mostly show.


Entered at Sat May 18 12:55:00 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I asked about the box set some time ago, and like John, there was no reply. Any one have any news? I assume the project foundered.


Entered at Sat May 18 12:40:14 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: John Stirrat

Hi John, your name is spelt slightly differently and you live in Sydney so I guess you're not the bass player from Wilco.


Entered at Sat May 18 07:45:51 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.120)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Kevin- please have another beer on me. Sheesh, i had three bottles last night, paid for it all day today.

Saw some great music though. Dan Cipirano on sax (wilson Pickett long time member, others), his old lady Cindy Bradley on trumpet (she's great, and popular)), Jeremy Baum on B-3 ( Richie Havens, Melvin Sparks, Shemekia Copeland, recorded with Richie Havens, Bill Perry, and on School For Fools), Gary Ciuci, guitar and vox (Chambers Brothers, Wilson Pickett), Joe Goretti (Moby's drummer), and Kip Sophos, bass. They went on at 10, by 12:30 there were 9 of us left listening . they played like there a few thousand of us there. These gigs are next to money gigs,i doubt they made more than a hundfred a piece. If that much. and four of em drove from Connecticut (hopefully together), one from just below Ulster County. Gas and tolls all around...It drives home how hard a life musicians may have, and how dedicated they are to what they do. For most, it's certainly not a great career choice.

I enforced my one drink per set rule. Two sets- two aocoholic beverage. Then they broke tradition, did three sets - I had to cooperate.

Kevin, might as well be inb a bar, i may or may not disagree with you on the poetry thing, if i give it thought. My incination is to say lyrics soemtimes are poetry and often are poetic. an otherwise may hav emany aspects of poetry. I know i defintely disagree with you about the use of The Band name. The four of em, and the three of em, were perfectly reasonable to use the name. If only three of em worked together while all 5 were alive, then the use of the name would not have been sensible or justified. And I doubt any of them would have even considered it.

OF course, The Band OQ)was 5 indispensable members till they stopped workign together.( TLW and Islands). The 80s and 90s Band got lots of criticism here for some of their live performances. RR has barely performed live as a solo act (and never as a memembr of another band )since he left The Band. Consider all that, and consider that The 80s and 90s Band was mostly a performing act. If you look at it from that perspective, and you consider that this was a Band that reformed after a hiatus/ disconnect, the most dispensable member was RR. I couldn't imagine calling it The Band without Garth though. Who could fill those shoes?


Entered at Sat May 18 06:56:12 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Double posting for me a first! Too much beer, too much Antti Niemi, too much just thinking about these bafoon writers that are just so anxious to get in the same room as celebrity that they would even consider rock n roll lyrics as poetry........


Entered at Sat May 18 06:29:14 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"I don't think I could have learned more about the joy and sensuous appeal of alliteration, assonance and consonance from any poem of Gerard Manley Hopkins than I did from Warren Zevon's wonderful line in "Werewolves of London": "Little old lady got mutilated late last night."" .......what fucking nonsense said Johnny Rotten......and Kevin J.


Entered at Sat May 18 06:21:28 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"I don't think I could have learned more about the joy and sensuous appeal of alliteration, assonance and consonance from any poem of Gerard Manley Hopkins than I did from Warren Zevon's wonderful line in "Werewolves of London": "Little old lady got mutilated late last night."" ................Oh Shut up said Johnny Rotten.........What fucking nonsense!!


Entered at Sat May 18 00:32:28 CEST 2013 from (121.209.168.49)

Posted by:

John Stirrat

Location: Sydney

Subject: From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day

Does anyone have a bead or theory on the Large Box Set that was brewing a few years back? Gone never to surface or stalled?


Entered at Fri May 17 21:49:42 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan honoured

This past Wednesday, Bob Dylan was inducted as an honourary member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters.

This year's keynote "Blashfield Address" was delivered by Pulitzer (and many other) prize-winning author Michael Chabon. Mr. Chabon's speech ("Rock 'n' Roll," mp3 at [My link]) is well worth the price of admission. Mr. Chabon addresses the old subject of "rock lyrics as poetry" and makes the point that interviewers ask songwriters about their literary influences, but seldom ask 'serious' writers about their pop-music influences.

"I don't think I could have learned more about the joy and sensuous appeal of alliteration, assonance and consonance from any poem of Gerard Manley Hopkins than I did from Warren Zevon's wonderful line in "Werewolves of London": "Little old lady got mutilated late last night.""


Entered at Fri May 17 20:57:44 CEST 2013 from (70.31.48.79)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Landmark

Brilliant! Have a great long weekend…….....and no stepping gingerly into any bars now!


Entered at Fri May 17 20:36:07 CEST 2013 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Don't let it get caught up in you paraphernalia Kevin.


Entered at Fri May 17 19:53:55 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Subject: Feedback on Tony Mart's

Sorry for the delay but I've been a bit busy today. I just want to thank everyone for their responses to my questions and for giving so much feedback on the time Levon and the Hawks were at Tony Mart's. I have started the process of collating that information into a file that I can retain for future use and reference. Thanks again.


Entered at Fri May 17 19:52:04 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Substitute

In the UK, the first record on the Reaction label was The Who’s Substitute which came out in three different versions, with changing B-sides. All had the same number, 591001.

It was literally a “reaction” in a legal contest between Shel Talmy, then The Who’s producer, and the Who’s managers, Kit Lambert and Chris Stamp. Robert Stigwood had bought the rights to become The Who’s booking agent and he used it to lure them away from producer Talmy and the Brunswick label, with whom they had a five year contract.

The first of three B-sides, Waltz for A Pig, was allegedly directed at Talmy, and was performed by The Graham Bond Organization, masquerading as The Who Orchestra. Brunswick also tried to put out Substitute and it was the media lawyer’s annual picnic with champagne on ice all round. Drummer Keith Moon said in an interview which formed part of a VH1 show on him said:

I don't remember playing 'Substitute' at all, I was too stoned, and when it came out, I accused the other members of the group of getting another drummer in!


Entered at Fri May 17 19:45:21 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: ATCO

An ATCO rarity is the 1966 single release of The Who's "Substitute" b/w "Waltz for a Pig." Due to a dispute at the time between the group's managers and producer Shel Talmy, their U.S. arrangement with Decca was briefly put on hold.


Entered at Fri May 17 19:41:37 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Kallur et eel?

Kevin J: That reminds me that I once tried out Maxwell Smart's "I didn't know it was open" response with a francophone girlfriend, but she wasn't particularly amused. Live and learn.


Entered at Fri May 17 19:38:46 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

That's a constant one. i'd be happy to pay for "The Rolling Stones" if it was Mick & Keef plus a good band, and The Who function fine as The Who with just Townsend and Daltrey. You'd have to have both in both situations. Charlie Watts is a great drummer, BUT you could put Steve Gadd or Jim Keltner in the seat, and it would be OK.

There are certain ones you can't leave out and keep the name. The Band managed it without Robbie just as The Beach Boys managed it without Brian … they still had the songs they'd written for other people to sing lead on, so not a lead singer short. And both looked weak on new material.


Entered at Fri May 17 18:58:34 CEST 2013 from (70.31.48.79)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M Thank you for mentioning the great Danny Gallivan……..a very special guy and without any question in my mind the greatest sports play by play announcer I have ever heard…no one else even second. All hockey fans know of his greatness and penchant for inventing phrases like “The Savardian Spinarama” , “"Cannonading drive” but it was his grace and wit that stood him just miles above most of the others……..likely only Canadians will get this next one but it was a beauty that always stuck with me……………near the end of the first period back in the early 80”s in a game between the Montreal Canadiens and New York Islanders…….. a player had been tripped and there was a stoppage in play………..Danny said to his colourman Dick Irvin “Who was that Dick?”……Irvin said “ Anders Kallur, Danny………Kallur” without missing a beat Gallivan replied “quarter to nine Dick”

All this silliness about 2 or 3 or 4………would it have been The Who with 3 of the 4 but not Pete Townshend? Could have sounded the same with a replacement guitar player after all! The Band ended in 1976 or 1978 depending on how you look at it. Everything that followed was what it was but it should never have been called The Band.


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Peter V

Subject: ATCO

Not alone … Peter Wolf describes how he was told that Atlantic would be putting out the J. Geils Band on ATCO, not Atlantic, and accepted considerably worse terms in order to get the straight Atlantic imprint.


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Pat B

When Led Zeppelin signed with Ahmet Ertegun, they demanded to be on Atlantic, not Atco. They felt Atlantic was the gold star and didn't want to be thought of as a subsidiary.


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David P

Dr. John and Jesse Ed Davis also signed with ATCO. After recording one album each for Stax and Elektra, Delaney and Bonnie signed with ATCO, where they had their best success.


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Bill M

Peter V: I don't think I have that Kent comp, though I do have the Ace comp, "You Heard Them Here First", with "the Stones I Throw" by our guys, "Liza Jane" by a young Bowie, the Rising Sons' brilliant "Candy Man" and JJ Cale's "Prison Break" - which was recorded in '66, around the time when I was doing jobbing gigs with Levon, I guess.

Kevin J: There ain't no cure for those Habitant blues. If Danny Gallivan was still with us, he would by now be announcing cannonading drives up the fairway.


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Peter V

I don’t think the rule of three works totally. The Nostell Priory shows (where Al Edge was present and frightened Van Morrison) in 1984 had Rick, Richard and Garth + Cates, but no Levon as he declined to fly, but was billed as The Band, and Van joined them on stage. Then in 1985 there are Danko, Hudson, Manuel shows. Then in 1988 The Instant Band show in Australia without Levon.

Actually, I think we’d have to say that to really be “The Band” it had to include Levon.


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David P

Subject: ATCO

In 1965 ATCO's biggest act, at least saleswise, was Sonny & Cher. They had an established roster of older artists, but the times they were a-changin'. The label that years before released the Coasters version of the Leiber/Stoller/Doc Pomus song "Young Blood", would later sign Buffalo Springfield and Vanilla Fudge.


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Adam

That "The Band lineups" website really got me thinking. In the post LAST WALTZ era, what combination is considered representative of The Band?

Levon, Rick and Garth, of course, combined with the junior members and released three albums in the 1990s. They shared performances with the Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Hot Tuna, etc., and were still considered their legitimate peers! We had Richard in these lineups from 1983 until his passing. I think the main point is that three core members were present to allow The Band a legitimate current life. What about the SNACK Benefit in 1975, with Levon, Rick and Garth? It is a great note of foreshadowing that even when the original quintet was together, those specific three (who would overlook the '90s Band with junior members) could be brought together as a core representative of The Band.

But what about when Robbie, Rick and Garth appeared together? By that previous logic, the Juno Awards 1989 and Rock Hall 1994 performances were as legitimately The Band as the lineups with Levon leading. Should "Between Trains", with Robbie, Richard and Garth be considered The Band? Or a demo for them?

I think the law of three original members is very interesting...


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Peter V

Subject: He Don't Love You

To expand, Kent included He Don't Love You on their "Where it's AT" compilation of Atlantic tracks from "the London mod club culture" and it sits happily with King Curtis, Booker T, Don Covay and Wilson Pickett. As Levon said, Lee Dorsey is the direct influence. Dorsey would have fit the compilation too, but wasn't on Atlantic (Levon & The Hawks were on ATCO in America, but Atlantic in Britain).


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Adam

BEG - No problem re Jesse Ed Davis. I love his take of "Strawberry Wine" that you posted. I also shared a take of "Jemima Surrender" from Howard Tate in 1972, on The Band's Facebook. I read a harsh review of it, and strongly disagree... I thought it was great.


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Peter V

Subject: He Don't Love You

I reckon He Don't Love You is the outstanding Levon & The Hawks track … a great mod soul record in its way. It could have been a hit in the UK if it had been pushed as the A side, right around The Spencer Davis Group's chart runs.


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Bill M

Rod: I guess it depends on whether the Hawks at the time were an R&B band that made an errant move in recording a song like TSIT or a band with wide-ranging abilities and interests that was stuck in a day-job that demanded they play R&B onstage. I think that the latter is closer to the truth, and am inclined to see the three-song TSIT session as a "this is us" statement that is closely echoed in the later "this is us" statement that we know as Big Pink. The intervening two years of learning and honing and woodshedding and farting around can be seen as them wandering in the wilderness, watching for a hole in the fence that was keeping them out of The Big Time.


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Peter V

Subject: Stills Alone

I found a copy of "Stills Alone" on CD this morning, a rare album from 1991. It's just Stills and guitar, but what amused me was credit to Sony for the loan of their 48 track digital tape machine. It's voice and guitar … so why did they need 48 tracks?


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Great Gatsby

We've had great stuff on Levon in LA and Tony Mart. Probably the most "relevant" days here in ages.

So I'll veer into a little irrelevance … my review of The Great Gatsby is linked. Some saw it yesterday, but as so often I added a lot to it this morning.


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Rod

Subject: The Stones I Throw

This song would have been great for The Staples or another similar group - maybe not so much for The Hawks at that time.

good stuff Pat B


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Pat B

David P, the problem with Stones I Throw being recorded in early 65 is that the demo was supposedly cut in a Somers Point motel room, no doubt during the summer stay at Tony Marts.


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David P

Bill: Doesn't the label read "Supervised by Eddie Heller?" That sounds like Mr. Heller was sort of an executive producer for TRO Productions, with Glover & Ramone actually handling the technical aspects of recording at the studio board.


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Bill M

David P: The early '65 session with Henry Glover was the one that produced the "Uh Uh Uh" / "Leave Me Alone" 45. Ramone may well have engineered on that particlar session; the later TSIT session was engineered by Eddie Heller, if we're to believe the words on the label.


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Peter V

Subject: Buying vinyl …

Ah! Tuesday's haul was the ultra rare 1967 Decca EP "John Mayall's Bluesbreakers With Paul Butterfield", right at the very end of the EP era here, plus three Link Ray & His Ray Men 45s on Stateside: Jack The Ripper, The Sweeper and Good Rockin' Tonight. Plus "Blast Off With Freddy Cannon" EP also on Stateside, and a near mint copy of The Angels My Boyfriend's Back, as seen in that fabulous sequence in "The Wanderers."


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David P

Subject: More Hawks History Before Tony Marts

According to Levon in "This Wheel's On Fire" they played a two-week engagement in June 1964 at the Peppermint Lounge on West 45th St. in NYC. While there, they hooked up with John Hammond Jr., who they'd previously met while playing in Toronto. Levon, Robbie and Garth were invited to play on the album Mr. Hammond was recording at the time, "So Many Roads."

Also, according to Levon, they recorded "The Stones I Throw" and "He Don't Love You" in early 1965, with Henry Glover producing and Phil Ramone engineer. In April they went down to Arkansas to play for the Marvell High School junior-senior prom. While staying in Helena, they met up with & jammed with Sonny Boy Williamson, as later related in an interview segment in The Last Waltz.


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Kevin J

Subject: Thanks to All for this Tony Mart and related discussion - a cure for my Habs sadness!

…and lost in all this Tony Mart discussion was that great post from Adam on Rock of Ages and the autographs…….I loved it as ROA was how I came to The Band in the first place and that kind of nice touch by Robbie and Garth is sprit lifting………note to self: go see brother, get him hammered and nick that copy of ROA that I played on his stereo to great effect to impress a friend way back in 1978! On second thought, having to sort through his 4000 albums of which ½ must be of the prog-rock variety might be a problem……

Bonk: I recall in the late 70’s/early 80’s – pre-computer days – going to the library and looking up old newspapers on microfilm for sports and music related articles. At the time it all seemed amazing to me and was no trouble at all to spend time zooming in and out! 30 years from now, the kids today might look back on YouTube and the like and laugh about how complicated it all was…….and Peter and David no doubt will still be buying vinyl and happy as can be………….a lesson there maybe.


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Pat B

Bill M, I also love the Nazz. David P and I will put up with no Nazz-knocking here.


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Pat B

John D., so do I. Have you seen the director's cut? A lot more of Charlize Theron and a surprise Tom Hanks love interest.


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David P

Subject: October 1965

It appears that Dylan's first recording session with The Hawks may have been on Oct. 5, 1965 at Columbia's Studio A in NYC, although session personnel documentation remains unclear. They recorded a version of "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window" and fragments of three songs: "I Wanna Be Your Lover", "Jet Pilot" and "Medicine Sunday" (which would evolve into "Temporary Like Achilles").


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John D

Subject: Pat

Pat......I love that movie!


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Bill M

Pat B: C-9344, C-9345, C-9346 - "He Don't Love You", "The Stones I Throw", "Go-Go Liza Jane".


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Bill M

David P: And no Nazz song, not even "Hello It's Me", can hold a candle to ""Wildwood Days" by the Dovells, much less "You Can't Sit Down".


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Bill M

BEG: Great stuff - thanks. It was great to see some of the songs in their repertoire listed. The thought that some of the post-Hawkins songs on "Moondog Matinee were still songs that the Hawks played in bars might douse some of the quibbles that have been raised about 'authenticity'. And it's interesting that Garth played accordion onstage back then - for what? "Tura Lura Lura"? "Promised Land"?

Pat B: I seem to recall checking the matrix numbers of the three formerly released Levon and the Hawks songs we're consecutive. I agree tha September seems too hectic a time to nip into the studio for what may well have been a goodbye-guys session for all they would have known at the time. Whenever it occurred, Levon clearly saw it as a very big move - one that was worth quitting over when the others didn't want to push it when it was hot (in places). Since "The Stones" is a civil rights song, it would be interesting to see how the potential writing / recording dates map to significant events of the year.


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David P

Subject: South Jersey

To the south, between Ocean City and Cape May, there are the resort towns of Avalon, Stone Harbor and Wildwood. After graduating from high school in Upper Darby, Pa., around 1966, Todd Rundgren spent some time in Wildwood, sitting in and playing with various bands. He joined the group Woody's Truck Stop before co-founding Nazz. That later group's self-titled debut album included the song "Wildwood Blues".


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Jersey Girl

Subject: Wrong end of Jersey

Sorry, Angelina, but Tony Mart's was a South Jersey venue, and I think it drew more of a raucous shore and Philly crowd. I grew up in North Jersey, right on the Palisades in view of Manhattan, a 15-minute bus ride and a couple of subway stops from the Village. While the boys were playing Somers Point in '65, my crowd was sadly oblivious, going to Gerdes Folk City and Café Wha? to see the folky likes of Dave Van Ronk, Eric Anderson, Patrick Sky, and Richie Havens. Big Pink changed it all for me, but that was too late.


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Pat B

John D, you're reminding me of That Thing You Do: "Yes, because you're nice, nice boys...except you."


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Pat B

The Tony Marts gig gave the boys some time in one place, which prompted RR to write a few things, most notably The Stones I Throw and Rainmmaker which they recorded in one of their rooms. The timing of this also calls into question that He Don't Love You was recorded in NY in September of 1965 since it looks like things were changing pretty quickly around then and there wouldn't have been much time for a one-off as Levon and the Hawks.


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John D

Subject: David P & Haircuts

I know you were only kidding a little about how Levon & Robbie looked; in that photograph; regarding their haircuts.

Remember that they were; under the Ronnie Hawkins school of fashion and grooming till then. Ronnie always sent his new members to "Lou Myles" clothiers to the stars for their clothes. Bill Cosby for example would always buy a suit from Lou; when in town. Also good grooming was a factor. Neat haircuts, suit, white shirt and tie. It was the Hawkins school of music much like how the Motown artists had to tow the line; in their dress and makeup for the ladies.


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Pat B

Richard made the trip to Forest Hills also. He's in at least one of the Kramer photos.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I forgot David P...Yes, Tony Mart's was used for the film. I can't find the article I found last night, but here's a video instead.

"Atlantic City Weekly editor, Jeff Schwachter interviews Carmen Marotta, one of the sons of Tony Mart. The film, Eddie and the Cruisers was filmed at the Somers Point Night Club Tony Mart'."

Hey Jersey Girl!!! Any info on Tony Mart's??!!


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

At the Point Somers Point New Jersey USA

A blog dedicated to the history and current events of Somers Point New Jersey

Hi David P...I would love to hear more from your cousin about his time seeing The Hawks at Somers Point.

Nomadic Mike...Were you in town this week? If so....Next time let's hook up and tell some tales. ;-D


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David P

Web: My link

Subject: From Levon and the Hawks to Eddie and the Cruisers

Many of the scenes in the 1983 movie "Eddie and the Cruisers" were filmed at Tony Marts.

Accompanying Dylan at the Forest Hills and Hollywood Bowl concerts in 1965, along with Robbie & Levon, were Al Kooper and Harvey Brooks. Link above to Daniel Kramer photo of Robbie & Levon with Dylan backstage at Forest Hills. Check out those hair cuts :-)


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Calvin

Thought about your point about what exactly a "band" is Peter-and your right, Ive never put much stick in those one shot groups-but oddly enough enjoyed those groups with a rolling line up-Golden Palominos/Imagined Village.

But yes, being in a band involves more than practicing for a few weeks and then kicking out an album.

Somewhat related is one of my favorite local events in the Cleveland Music Scene. 6-7 Local bands are invited, names are put into a hat and new "bands" are created and these new bands have a short period of time to write and then perform a new song. It can be good fun.

Saw Chuck Prophet last time, greatly recommended.


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Mike Nomad

Wow, Angie, quite a haul. My memory banks are reeling. So that's where the term "Mad Men" originated. Matt Wiener must have been a Somers Point regular back in those days.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

1965:
From Conway Twitty to Bob Dylan.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Somers Point '65
Something was happening here and Bob Dylan knew what it was

"As Marotta remembers, although the band was still wearing suits and patent-leather shoes, they were so into their music that some nights they had to be pulled from the stage.

"One night, my father had to send guys to the stage three times to shake the group off because it was two o'clock and it was illegal to play music after [that time]," says Marotta.

Although he was only nine in 1965, Marotta remembers the Hawks' amazingly tight four- and five-piece vocal harmonies, which even back then, were one of their trademarks. People from all over, Marotta recalls, were coming to the Mart that summer to see "these white guys singing soul and blues and funk."

A front-page story published in the August 24, 1965 edition of The New York Times noted that Tony Mart's was "the wildest spot on the New Jersey shore and perhaps the entire eastern Seaboard."

A few weeks before the article came out, which included a photograph taken inside Tony Mart's showing the back view of a band playing, which could very well be the Hawks, Bob Dylan got word of this hot playing act. It's been rumored that Dylan sent down some folks from New York to catch the Hawks play at the Mart.

Although the rest of the Hawks wouldn't join Dylan on the road until Septemeber (for a show in Austin, Texas on the 24th and Dallas on the 25th) and then from October 1965 through the following year, the Hawks ended their residency at Tony Mart's soon after Robbie and Levon went to play with Dylan.

As Michael Corcoran wrote in the Austin American-Statesman in 2005, "The Austin appearance and the next night's concert in Dallas were the only two shows in the month between concerts at the Hollywood Bowl and Carnegie Hall. Many biographies gloss over these historic dates and there are no known bootlegs. At a San Francisco Press conference a few months later Dylan is still commenting about the reception from the Texas audiences."


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David P

Angelina: I was typing my post before I read your's. Although I was too young at the time to hang out at Tony Marts, I was quite familiar with the place, as my family used to vacation in the summer at Ocean City. That town has always been "dry", with no alcohol sales, so countless vacationers who spent the days soaking up the sun on the beach there would flock over the bridge to Somers Point at night to soak up cooling beverages in the large number of bars & restaurants there. I had an older cousin, who played drums in various bands at the time, who recalls seeing Levon & the Hawks rockin' out at Tony Marts.


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David P

Subject: Tony Marts

"Colonel" Harold Kudlets, who also booked Conway Twitty and Ronnie Hawkins, got Levon & the Hawks booked at Tony Marts. According to various interviews with Carmen Marotta, son of Tony Marts owner Anthony Marotta, they were booked through the Labor Day weekend (Sept. 4-6). This was an important weekend, the busiest of the summer, which was the last blow-out weekend for vacationers, on whom the businesses at the shore depended on for income. As Mr. Marotta has recounted, the Hawks left in mid-August, and his father let them out of their contract.

Tony Marts bar was on the ground floor of a large building, formerly the Schick's Hotel, located just off the traffic circle by the bay where the 9th Avenue casuseway bridge crossed over to the popular beach resort town of Ocean City. Although Mr. Marotta closed the hotel operation when he bought the building, musicians would stay in the rooms upstairs as part of their deal with the club. According to Mr. Marotta, the Hawks started out playing six nights a week, four or five sets a night, for $700, later working their way up to $1300. No doubt, the increase was due to their ability to pack the house when they performed.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon & the Hawks - Summer of '65

"Kutlets, it turned out, had just the band for Tony, as they had finished playing a few years on the road behind rockabilly Ronnie Hawkins, and were tired of touring, needed a steady job, and wanted a place where they could play and settle down and not move around so much. The pay wasn’t very good to start, but they could stay in the rooms above the club and if they fit the bill they would get a raise, and if they stayed the entire summer, until the end of Labor Day weekend, they would get a bonus.

The band was Levon and the Hawks, as they were known from their stint with Ronnie Hawkins, and Levon was Levon Helm, the only American in the quintet of Canadians that Hawkins had recruited a few years earlier.

Although young, they were seasoned musicians, and Tony liked them because, unlike the psychedelic rock groups that would come after them, they were polite, well-mannered, dressed in suites and ties and respected him.

Decades later I went looking for the local links to The Band, and went to Tony Marts, where above the door was the sign “Through these doors walk the most beautiful girls in the world.” Next to the door was a small bar where I found Anthony “Tony Mart” Marotta, sipping a drink, smoking a cigar and watching the band on stage. Did he remember The Band?

“You mean Levon & the Hawks?”

“Yea, I remember them, the Bums,” he said. “They left me without a band on Labor Day,” and then after a pause, “but they was good boys.”

How did they find their way to Somers Point?

Tony Martotta’s son Carmen Marotta later recalled, “That was the Harold Kutlets agency, out of Hamilton, near Toronto. My father met him through MCA out of New York. They were a promotions, talent, productions, booking company. Kutlets is the man who is eventually credited with picking up and representing the Hawks, Levon & the Hawks who became The Band.”

“They were with Ronnie Hawkins and were the Fabulous Hawks – that’s where the name Hawks comes from – the rockabilly, rhythm & blues singer. Then when they lost Ronnie Hawkins, they had a fight with them or something, they became Levon & the Hawks. Even though they were a Canadian group they couldn’t get any work in Canada at the time, and they were touring down south, we’re talking about the winter of 1965. They were kicking around the south, some of them were from Arkansas, and Kutlets called dad up and said he had this great band that needed a break. They would work cheap. Dad put them in in April. They played six nights a week, four or five sets a night, for $700 total, plus rooms, they lived over top of the bar. They worked their way up to $1300 a week. Now this is for five guys and a manager, a character named Bill Avis, and of course Harold Kutlets got a cut of that.”

Ted Shall did the display advertising for the Press of Atlantic City and wrote an entertainment column called Nightly Whirl, in which Shall wrote: “Don’t forget that tonight is going to be a big one in Somers Point, and at Tony Mart’s in particular. The renown Conway Twitty arrives at the offshore nightspot to join a Canadian group that has rated plaudits for a number of weeks – Levon and the Hawks.”

“Then, as the story goes, and its been corroborated, that they became such a legendary talent, that Dylan himself came here. The way it was told to me was that people from Boston to Georgetown, D.C. were coming here just to hear Levon and the Hawks, and hear Richard Manuel sing Ray Charles and Ottis Redding and James Brown, and see Garth Hudson play the sax and do Junior Walker and the All-Star’s “’Shotgun.’”

Playing six nights a week, three or four sets a night, they kept the house in the house when the main act – usually Conway Twitty, was on a break. Bay Shores across the street and Steels Ship Bar next door, as well as a number of other clubs in the area, also featured live bands, so when the most popular act was off stage, many of the people left. The job of the house band was to keep the people from leaving, and the Hawks did their job really well.

In fact, after a week or so, they had earned their keep, were given a raise and moved into a house down the street.

Carmen: “I was only nine years old at the time, fourth, fifth grade, but I remember The Band. I remember The Band being great. I remember hearing them play. They had two keyboards, there was a railing that ran along the stage and they had Richard Manual on the left hand side, looking at it. It was the center stage, which the L-bar was built around. On the right was Garth Hudson’s organ, a B-3, and all his saxophones and accordions – he was always playing different instruments. In the middle was the drum riser with Levon Helm, and Rick Danko and Robbie Robertson were out front.”

“I remember how great they were. I remember the soulful blues they played. I think that Richard Manuel was the greatest blues singer to ever sing at Tony Marts. I think he was one of the greatest under-rated white blues singers, and he was known for that, as was their music, their jamming, their diversity. They would do, “Little Lizza Jane – I got a girl and you got none….” That was unusual to hear a hillbilly song being played with a rock beat in Tony Marts. They also played, “They Call Me Mr. Pittiful,” “Please, Please, Please,” “Shotgun,” “Blue, Swede Shoes,” “Memphis,” and a lot of the songs on their album, “Moondog Matinee” they played at Tony Marts. Richard Manuel and Levon Helm used to do some of the old southern stuff.”

Before the summer was out people were coming from Philadelphia, Baltimore and New York just to see Levon & the Hawks, the house band at Tony Marts, and others were taking interest, including some music industry heavies like Albert Grossman and Bob Dylan.

There’s three versions of how the Hawks hooked with Bob Dylan. One has Levon and Robbie Robertson going to New York to record and meeting or running into bluesman John Hammond, Jr., whose father was the talent scout for Columbia records and is credited with discovering and signing Billy Holiday, Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, among others.

Another version has Dylan coming to Somers Point and sitting in the audience to check out what he heard was the best rock & roll band on the east coast.

The most likely version however has Dylan visiting the New York city officers of his manager, Albert Grossman, and explaining to Grossman how he wanted to break out of his folk music shell, plug in his guitar and “go electric.”

The Byrds had made a popular hit of his “Mr. Tamborine Man,” and Dylan felt that he needed to go in that direction. Dylan said he needed a rock and roll band to back him up, did Grossman know any?

Grossman may have had a few band in mind, but his secretary, Mary Martin, a Toronto girl, having overheard the conversation, spoke up, and put a plug in for the band she saw back at home in Toronto, the Hawks, who she said were a very remarkable group who played the blues, rockabilly and rock and roll. It didn’t take her long, a few phone calls, to track them down at Tony Marts in Somers Point.

Dylan himself mad the call, and got Levon on the phone. “You want to play Hollywood Bowl?” Dylan asked.

Not having heard of Dylan before, or knowing that he could draw a crowd that could fill the Hollywood Bowl arena, Helm asked, “With who else?”

“Just us,” said Dylan, who Rick Danko, in the background, tried to explain, was a big folk star.

So when they had a night off, Robertson and Helm drove up to New York and met with Dylan and jammed with him a little, enough to convince Dylan he wanted them to back him at his Forest Hills concert on Labor Day weekend.

The only problem was Tony Marotta, the boss, who they not only promised to play for until after Labor Day, they had signed a contract they had to fulfill. But they would try to get around that.

Back in Somers Point they told Tony their predicament, and Tony called Col. Kutlets, who said he had another hot band who could fill in for them - … who had a hit song on the charts, “Devil with the Blue Dress.”

Carmen notes that,“Dylan took them from dad the week before Labor Day. But dad still loved them and even gave them a cake and party for them on their last night, but he was mad that they couldn’t stay that last week of the summer. But of course Dylan didn’t care about that, and he took the band. But dad was able to get Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels to finish the last week of the summer. It was big times in those days.”

So Tony said okay, he would let them out of the contract, and even through a farewell party for them, complete with cake, on their final night.

While only Levon and Robertson played behind Dylan at Forest Hills, where they were roundly booed at first, they both insisted that the rest of the Hawks be included in the world tour that Dylan had booked, and Dylan agreed.


Entered at Thu May 16 16:49:21 CEST 2013 from (50.101.57.203)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Tribute to Tony Mart’s


"During a recent Tony Mart’s reunion show in Somers Point, the club’s former head bouncer, Ron Frye, made a surprise appearance. From 1963 to 1970, Frye worked at the nightclub and told the crowd that one of the best memories of Tony Mart’s happened on a crowded summer 1965 Saturday night. Levon and the Hawks were about to hit the stage when the band’s bass player, Rick Danko, seemed to be missing. When Frye discovered that Danko was in an Ocean City jail — busted for smoking marijuana — he had the sergeant of police in Somers Point, Lyn Bader, contact the Ocean City Police Department and persuade them to let Danko come to Tony Mart’s so the band could perform. 


The police promptly drove the bass player to the nightclub where he hit the stage and finished out the show."


Entered at Thu May 16 15:06:33 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Barnburners

As a regular at The Lake,I enjoyed many Wednesday evenings of fine blues workouts by Levon and the Barnburners.Often there would be barely 10 people showing up,but I have fond memories of Amy getting her career going and of a real fun Garth sit in.Also enjoyed a nice set break talk with Garth on one very cold winter night.He was very funny that night and we had quite a nice time.Levon was also most gracious and was pleased we all came.It was so nice to see how happy Levon was just being the drummer in the band.


Entered at Thu May 16 14:59:42 CEST 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Musical 'philosophy'

I have been reading entries here with interest (as I always do). What I really enjoy about this site is that it makes you think about the music and the people who make (made) it. There is nothing novel in this thought, but I wanted to say it anyway. The Band was special! They grew from a tight bar band that was good. What The Band did was outstanding. It was made up of 5 very talented musicians who put together something that stands out of the crowd like the Beatles did. All that came after, though worthy of praise and constructive criticism and review, is a different species. Those individuals who survived and continued created work that continued in various forms a tradition that those 5 started. But to listen to the pristine beauty of The Band is unparalleled by anything that came afterwards. I am haunted by The Band and its essence as a central force in my personal musical taste.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Musicians Olympus

+1 to Peter's comments, needs some finetuning.

In addition to the RCO All-Stars naming issue, the group Levon and the Barnburners ran from 2000-2004 (oddly, the compiler footnotes that but still calls it the Levon Helm Band). All shows in that time were advertised as Levon and the Barnburners. I'd like to see that era gotten right, as it's one that's virtually forgotten to history since Levon's subsequent comeback, and one I really enjoyed personally since they played NYC clubs a lot.


Entered at Thu May 16 08:45:03 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Musicians Olympus

A labour of love, but it badly confuses "being in a band" with "playing with someone once." I think a "band" has to make a record or play more than one night advertised as such. So the Neil Young San Francisco show is "playing with someone once."

The 1977 to 1978 band was The RCO All-Stars and were advertised as such.

They miss out Fred Carter Jnr, Billy Preston and Blondie Chaplin who were all in line-ups which played gigs as "The Band" but I'd think some would regard it as "filling in" rather than "joining."

As The Rambles had different guests every week, you can talk about a core "band" but hardly describe each week as a different band.


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Dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Grisly photos of the us civil war

Some are pretty grisly. For you aficionados out there.


Entered at Thu May 16 05:40:50 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.87)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk / Kevin J: The Female Beatles played at the Friars, as did our guys. Because one of the waitresses there was the mother of the young Greg Godovitz, Goddo has a fair bit to share about the place in his hilarious memoir, "Travels with my Amp" -(which he'd actually bought from Rick).

If you trawl through the Toronto Telly of the day, you'll find a columnist cackling just before Xmas '65 that "some Hawks were seen back in town, so I guess the Dylan thing didn't work out". After Christmas we find the same somewhat chastened columnist correcting himself, noting that "the guys are actually still with Dylan and are leaving soon on a worldwide tour". I can't help but think that first story was built on top of a siting of Levon in Toronto - to visit his wife, to check out Hawkins, to keep his Landed Immigrant status alive, etc. And that the second story resulted from a corrective communication from Robbie's mother.


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: Adam

Treasure them forever Adam. I'm like you and have never sought them out. But one time when I was a kid, I had MacCartney and Harrison right in front of me and let it pass!!!???


Entered at Thu May 16 05:02:32 CEST 2013 from (75.34.51.114)

Posted by:

Adam

Friends from the GB and Facebook (there are a few!) may have seen a recent post of mine. My most treasured possession is a beautiful "Rock Of Ages" gatefold LP. I asked Garth to sign it last fall, and thanks to the unbelievable generosity of our friend Sebastian Robertson, Robbie has signed it as well! On the same panel as Garth's signature, Robbie wrote "In unity, RR". Truly beautiful...

Just to clarify, as it has been discussed here before: I've never been one to chase down autographs. If I had not been involved with actually obtaining the autograph, I wouldn't have much interest. But this is something truly beautiful and special for me. The warmth, love and generosity that The Band members and their family show us fans is truly special. This is something I will cherish forever...

Of course, looking at the LP makes me wish Levon, Rick and Richard were still here to bring that same joy to fans.


Entered at Thu May 16 03:47:38 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: SaltSpring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: Female Beatles

Hey Kevin. A few years ago I was searching 'Pages from the past' in the Toronto Star and in the entertainment section came across a poster that mentioned the Female Beatles playing on the same venue as Levon and the Hawks. I think the year was 1965 and as a 14 year old I seem to remember one summer when the group was advertised around Toronto. Some of the older DJ's from that time must be able to help. But, if you go to 'Pages from the past" in the Toronto Star be prepared to spend a lot of boring, tedious hours searching because it's all on micro film with a lot of zooming in and out. But any band that played in Toronto in the 40's, 50's or 60's and was advertised you'll find it there. Oh Yea. It's not free to search. Cheers.


Entered at Thu May 16 01:43:32 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

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Kevin J

I am not able to help with the missing Robbie and Levon period but enjoyed reading Ian's post......news to me that there was a band called Female Beatles........by the time I was born my older brother had already taken John as his favorite and my sister had gone for Paul.......I was always very content to have had George as my favorite Beatle.......But this Female Beatle band thing changes things doesn't it? I think I'll take the "female Paul".....thank you........

In all seriousness, I love reading about The Hawks and the Levon and The Hawks era. I wish I had been around to take in that period in Toronto and other parts of the Northeast NA. To hear Richard sing night in night out ( at his peak? ) would have been very special and to hear Robbie tear it up as he was doing in that period would have been heaven for me.


Entered at Thu May 16 01:22:58 CEST 2013 from (70.24.108.173)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian Woodward...I just found the UK site The Musicians' Olympus today. Maybe you can post on her/his blog to obtain more information?

"This is intended to be a homage to very many musicians I've loved since I started listening to music. My intention is to tell what I know about them, hoping that those people who like them too, will help me fill numerous gaps, which I may have in their careers and discographies. Sorry, but there are no MP3 audio files here at all, just info (and love for the musicians)."


Entered at Thu May 16 01:15:26 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Web: My link

Subject: Levon 's bands

Not seen this before. Is it accurate?


Entered at Thu May 16 01:05:47 CEST 2013 from (70.24.108.173)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Levon Helm was part of Oklahoma Mafia, the fantastic team of session players, around 1965, but don´t know info about lineups:

"To be covered (4): Jesse Ed Davis, Bobby Keys, Carl Radle, Leon Russell

Other info on members of Oklahoma Mafia (I know up to 6 members)."


Entered at Thu May 16 00:03:38 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There was an implication somewhere that the other three stayed on playing at Tony Mart's without Levon & Robbie, but as Richard supposedly took up drums in the basement, it's odd to think how they could get away with piano, organ and bass BUT it is known for drummerless bands t get someone to sit in from a support band. That would have worked.


Entered at Wed May 15 22:37:32 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Location: UK

Subject: Tony Mart's in the Summer of 1965

Having tried not to get sucked in, here I am again - because this subject is of great interest to me.

For some time, I have been gathering "stuff" on the Dylan/Hawks tours of 1965 and 1966. This got me into looking back at what Levon and the Hawks did over the summer of 1965. You guys may already know this lot but, if you have more, please let me know.

Tony Mart's seem to have hired their bands by the month and usually hired several bands at a time. Some bands come, go and then come back. Some come, go and don't come back. Levon and the Hawks were there most of the summer.

An advertisement from late May 1965 lists the following:

Levon and the Hawks
The Lively Ones and The Identicals
The Classics
The Female Beatles

Since the advert then lists the bands playing from 1 June 1965, I assume that Levon and the band were playing at Tony Mart's for the whole of May 1965. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

So who was playing at Tony Mart's in June 1965?

The Female Beatles
Phil Humphrey and The Fendermen
Levon and the Hawks
Conway Twitty and His 6-Man Oklahoma Revue

And July 1965?

Conway Twitty and His 6-Man Oklahoma Revue
Levon and the Hawks
The Classics

And August 1965?

Conway Twitty and His 4-Man Oklahoma Revue
The Female Beatles
Canada's Greatest Levon and the Hawks

Yes, as far as I can make it out, the advert does read "4-Man" rather than "6-Man". If I'm right, you might ask who left the "Oklahoma Revue".

Come September, a complete change:

Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels
Little Hugh and his Mad Men
The Del'Rays

That advert is dated 2 September 1965 and I assume Labor Day that year was Monday, 5 September.

It would appear to me that Levon and the Hawks were likely to have been contracted at Tony Mart's up to 31 August 1965. Since Levon and Robbie played with Dylan at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium on 28 August 1965 and since Dylan is reputed to have rehearsed in Manhattan for approximately 2 weeks prior to the Forest Hills gig, we are left with a few questions:

What arrangement was made for "Levon and The Hawks" to continue playing at Tony Mart's until the end of the month?
Did Robbie and Levon commute?
Did the others carry on without them?
Did they end the contract prematurely? (Unlikely, given that the position with Dylan was uncertain but you never know)
Was there any kind of contract with Dylan to play at Forest Hills? And at the Hollywood Bowl on 3 September, too?

If anyone can add to the above or answer any of the questions I've posed, I'd be pleased to hear from you.


Entered at Wed May 15 20:06:15 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Tony Marts

Levon & the Hawks were booked all summer in 1965 at Tony Marts in Somers, Point N.J. Conway Twitty and his band were headliners on the bill for several dates that summer. I believe Conway's band at the time featured Jesse Ed Davis on lead guitar, Tommy "Pork Chop" Markam on drums, Gene Jones pedal steel and "Big" Joe Lewis on bass. Just before Labor Day Dylan hired the Hawks and Tony Marts hired Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels to fill in during the big holiday weekend. Not sure of exactly when, but at some point later in the year, Jesse Ed left Conway's band.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: The Twitty and Hawkins bands were closse in the '50s, so it makes sense that the friendship would have lasted into the '60s as the groups crossed paths on whatever circuit they were working. Even what is said to be Levon's first appearance on record, a 45 by Hamilton C&W / rockabilly singer Dallas Harms from '58, featured involvement by members of the Twitty band too.


Entered at Wed May 15 17:32:22 CEST 2013 from (184.144.107.145)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jesse Ed Davis Interview 1973

The only person Jesse Ed Davis knew in the sixties in when he first went out to LA was Levon.....

Jesse Ed Davis 1973 interview on the release of his third solo album, Keep Me Comin, set to a photo discography of his session works. Davis talks about growing up in Oklahoma with racism; touring at 16; early years in CA with Levon Helm and Leon Russell; the Taj Mahal Band and the Concert for Bangladesh. He talks about session work and the new album. I do not own these photos.


Entered at Wed May 15 17:15:52 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Jesse Ed Davis

That could be Jesse Ed Davis playing with Levon on the Midnight Special show. I've mentioned this before, but I believe Levon first met Mr. Davis out on the road with the Hawks around the mid-'60s when Jesse was in Conway Twitty's touring band.


Entered at Wed May 15 16:41:57 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Levon departed the Dylan tour in Washington DC.


Entered at Wed May 15 15:47:25 CEST 2013 from (184.144.107.145)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Book of Levon: The Trials and Triumphs of Levon Helm

The trials and triumphs of Levon Helm from his days with The Band until his death in 2012.

By Jamie Malanowski


Entered at Wed May 15 15:45:01 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Even if his book on John Lennon has been discredited on other counts, I do like Albert Goldman's description of Lennon's reaction to Jesse Ed Davis's ability to play any lick from any song.

And yes, Levon's days between the Hawks and the Band are unclear for sure, though I suspect that Rick's efforts to bring Levon back into the fold have been over-torqued by DeCastro. I spoke with Roger Tillison once, and I took him to be confirming that Levon left the music scene in LA and went to work in the gulf, as per the legend. Didn't Levon jump ship from Dylan and the rest of the Hawks in LA? If so, it's likely that he stayed there for awhile and jobbed around with all the guys mentioned in BEG's link. Sandy Konikoff was recruited immediately and, after working off his two weeks notice to Ronnie Hawkins, reported for duty in California. When Sandy jumped ship himself a few months later he returned to Toronto briefly before heading back to LA, where he slept on Levon's couch meaning that Levon must've stayed in touch with some of his old cronies. Getting to know Levon's pod of musicians worked out well for Sandy, as Leon Russell hired him into Mad Dogs and Englishmen and he appeared on a Taj album and a Jesse Ed album - and more.

By the way, Levon's initial plan when the other four (five if you count Penfound) gave their notice to leave Hawkins, was to stay with Ronnie - not just as drummer for Hawkins but also as manager / agent for Robbie Lane and the Disciples and other artists in Hawkins' stable at Hawk Enterprises, which at its peak included the Vendettas, Buddy Carlton and the Stratotones, the Rogues, the Syndicate 5 and Doug Lycett. Hawkins wasn't at all shocked that the other Hawks left, and in fact he'd even been prepping the Disciples to step in for some months before, but he was certainly not expecting Levon to go too.


Entered at Wed May 15 14:33:49 CEST 2013 from (184.144.107.145)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Adam. I'm in a Jesse Ed Davis kind of mood today. :-D

Live at the Palomino Club, North Hollywood on 19 Feb 1987. In the Spring of 1987, The Graffiti Band performed with Taj Mahal at the Palomino Club in Hollywood. At this show, George Harrison, Bob Dylan and John Fogerty rose from the audience to join Davis and Taj Mahal in an unrehearsed set which included Fogerty's "Proud Mary" (played live for the 1st time since CCR per Bob Dylan's request), Dylan's "Watching the River Flow", and other classic rock n roll including "Blue Suede Shoes", "Peggy Sue", "Honey Don't", "Matchbox", and "Gone, Gone, Gone". This is Part 1. Bootleg cds/VHS/DVDs exist, but no official recordings were made as this was not a formal concert, and not publicized.

LINEUP:
George Harrison, Bob Dylan, Mark Shark, , Bobby Tsukamoto, Gary Ray, John Fogerty Jesse Ed Davis, & Taj Mahal


Entered at Wed May 15 14:32:56 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Levon in LA

The link Angelina found is the strongest piece of information we've ever found on Levon's period outside The Band. We also accepted that Rick phoned Levon to ask him back, but note this quote from the link:

DeCarlo sat in a couple times with his “whispering trumpet” and other friends stopped by to sit in on occasion, including Leon Russell (playing guitar), J.J. Cale, and Rick Danko when he was in town “trying to talk Levon into coming back ” to his old band.

That links Rick and J.J. Cale, and is a completely new bit of information, isn't it?


Entered at Wed May 15 13:52:14 CEST 2013 from (184.144.107.145)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jesse Ed Davis performs The Band's "Strawberry Wine" on his record ‎– Ululu in 1972.


Entered at Wed May 15 13:42:56 CEST 2013 from (184.144.107.145)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jesse Ed Davis: “I Just Play the Notes That Sound Good”.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jesse Ed Davis


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Helm, Markham, Davis, and Keys also played regularly in downtown LA at an all-black club on the edge of Watts. “This wasn’t the safest place for an all-white band to be in the ‘60s,” Markham remembers. And one night some guys in the crowd “didn’t like it we were there” and started a fight. Markham can’t remember who broke it up, “other patrons, the owner—I’m not sure.” But it was intense and they got out of there fast. “Levon was furious about getting run out and the whole way home, he just kept yelling he was going back with a pistol and ‘straighten things out.’ I kept saying, ‘No, you’re not’ but he wouldn’t let up. Finally he calmed down by the time we got home. He was such a level-headed guy, I only saw him lose his temper twice in all the years I knew him.”

One involved a haircut, with Markham in the role of barber. “I messed up and gouged about a quarter size chunk out of Levon’s scalp.” Markham remembers laughing about it, and “the more I laughed, the madder he got, which made me laugh even harder. Boy, he was pissed off at me.”


Entered at Wed May 15 05:53:58 CEST 2013 from (75.34.60.88)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Here's another link, video of "America's Farm" from that previously mentioned episode. You see Fred Carter Jr. playing lead on the Gibson, Earl Cate in the middle, and Jesse Ed Davis (?) on the left...


Entered at Wed May 15 05:52:06 CEST 2013 from (75.34.60.88)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

Subject: Levon with Jesse Ed Davis?

David P, or any other knowledgeable folks: The link above shows a still of Levon on "The Midnight Special" in 1980, promoting Coal Miner's Daughter. Is that guitarist Jesse Ed Davis behind him? Davis is credited on the "Jesse James" 1980 LP, and sat in with The Band/Cates in California during the 1983 reunion tour...


Entered at Wed May 15 01:23:08 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Subject: Liverpool 1966

Sorry, the Sheffield show on the '66 tour was two days AFTER Liverpool, not "earlier".

Another description of the Liverpool "Tom Thumb" performance - "truly demonic".


Entered at Wed May 15 01:10:23 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Location: UK

Subject: Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues - single

The "I Want You" b/w "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" single was reviewed briefly in BILLBOARD dated 25 June 1966. Since each issue of BILLBOARD was on newsstands about a week before the masthead date, then the single may well have been released around mid-June in the USA. BILLBOARD noted the B-side but didn't mention it was live. The same issue had an advert for "Blonde On Blonde" which also mentioned the "I Want You" single but didn't give the B-side at all. I have a US Radio Station promo copy and it came with a picture sleeve - again no mention of B-side on it.

The UK release of this single was advertised in the music press on 15 July 1966, describing it as "New Dylan Single" and it was reviewed the following week (22 July 1966). Martin Strong's "Great Rock Discography" gives "July 1966" for its UK release. The UK one came without a picture sleeve and the B-side simply said "Recorded Live in Liverpool", while most other releases said "Recorded live in Liverpool, England".

When the single was reviewed on BBC TV's "Juke Box Jury", a well-known DJ Brian Matthew (he still does a Saturday morning radio show called "Sounds of the Sixties") declared Dylan "the biggest con-man in the business".

European releases of the single came with some quite attractive picture sleeves.

DA Pennebaker, who filmed some of the tour, said that Columbia used his sound recording for the single, which would have been made on a Nagra recorder and I believe these recordings were in mono. Some French journalists were with the touring party for the earlier Sheffield show and said that, after the show, everyone gathered to listen to a playback of the recording of the performance "to judge and select the tracks". They described this as a "small daily ceremony", adding that, later, the sound would have to be synchronised with the film (SALUT LES COPAINS, July 1966). If it were a daily routine, I assume it was done after the Liverpool show too, so maybe they all thought that "Tom Thumb" was the one to put out. Someone described it as a "venomous" performance. I suspect Dylan was also attracted by the fact that it was recorded in The Beatles' home city.


Entered at Wed May 15 00:59:50 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.2)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Linked Video. La La Brooks, AChange Is Gonna Come

Another one of Brooklyn's finest singers...One of the greats, whose voice is like fine wine. Still powerful and still beautiful (voice, her too ),this woman knows how to use her talent best made all the right adjustments. Just over three years ago, iwent to see Brian Mitchell's band, wiuth Jimmy Vivino, at the Parkside Lounge. A hole... She was sitting at a table with friends, minding her own business, After the halfway point she got up, the band went into Beast of Burden, and she turned into one of the most powerful and riveting performers i ever saw. Kicks, punches, and a voice to die for. she was amazing, the band was amazing,even back in the day The Stones would have been hard pressed to match that performance of that song.


Entered at Tue May 14 23:52:33 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

The concert was 14 May … but they had it out as the B-side of the UK single of I Want You by June, though it took until late July to hit the UK chart. A few weeks from live performance to release was really moving.


Entered at Tue May 14 22:55:55 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: When the Game Got Rough...

The live Odeon version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" first appeared on CD officially on the 1978 Dylan 3-disc compilation "Masterpieces." It was also included on The Band's 2005 CD box set "A Musical History." However, one has to hear that original 45 mono version to fully appreciate the raw energy of the performance. You can almost envision sparks flying off Robbie's Telecaster.


Entered at Tue May 14 22:04:38 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Thanks for noting that anniversary. I`ve had a couple copies of that 45 over the years - most of them with a red label, I believe. Not sure what that signifies - promo perhaps. BEG and sadavid: Yes, a great album by Rough Trade. Stands up after all these years, even on CD. BEG, the Gzowski clip you posted must`ve been done shortly after bassist Peter Hodgson and pianist Michael Fonfara left to join Lou Reed; they`re both on the album, along with drummer Rick Gratton, who is likely on the clip. Background singer is Joanne Brooks, talented daughter of Dianne, who I`ve mentioned here a million times. As it probably says in the book, the group started out as something of an extracurricular project for Kevan Staples (guitarist) and Carole, whose day job was as animators. Early gigs at Grossman`s had fellow animators Bob Ablack on drums and John Lyons on bass. Pat B might care that years earlier, Bob and Richard Bell had joined Ed Roth and Neil Merryweather in an early version of what was to evolve into the group Merryweather.


Entered at Tue May 14 21:42:44 CEST 2013 from (98.66.253.216)

Posted by:

Mike C

Thanks Pat B, for the link & congrats on what looks like fine work on your part. I'll be tuning in & I'll tell my 95 years young WWII vet Dad about it too.


Entered at Tue May 14 20:16:30 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Liverpool 1966

On this day in 1966 Bob Dylan & the Hawks (with Mickey Jones on drums) performed at the Odeon Theatre in Liverpool. The version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" recorded that night was first released as the B-side to the "I Want You" mono 45 single.


Entered at Tue May 14 20:00:27 CEST 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: doubles

BEG - I also had that foil-wrapped square, also before I was aware of the double-entendre . . . I was curious to hear what a direct-to-disc would sound like. Good record.

And thanks for the link . . . never noticed before how much Carole resembled Rod the Mod onstage . . . .


Entered at Tue May 14 19:04:29 CEST 2013 from (76.68.50.163)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Bill M...I bought Caorle Pope's memoir at Value Village's half-price sale yesterday. Of course, I quickly looked up Louuuu and bingo!
Her girlfriend at one time lived next door to the friend I told you about who introduced me to Pentii Glan in Riverdale area during the eighties. I saw Rough Trade at UofT's Convocation Hall. When I first arrived in TO I had no idea what Rough Trade even meant. LOL
I do however have one recording, thanks to a record store I worked for during my school days.

Rough Trade ‎– Rough Trade Live!
Label: Umbrella (2) ‎– UMB DD1
Format: Vinyl, LP, Limited Edition, Direct-To-Disc
Country: Canada
Released: 1977


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: clarification

What I meant to type is that Baby`s backing is Bandish, especially the guitar.


Entered at Tue May 14 16:04:38 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Pat B: Thanks for the link to the Goodtimes record. Of greater interest to me was the follow-on link to a song by the Sunshine Company, who I'd never actually heard before but from whose ranks came Merel Bregante and Al Garth of the great Loggins and Messina band, and also a member (Doug Mark?) of the early '70s one-hit wonder, Redeye. Come to think of it, Redeye`s "Games" (as CSNish pop thing) may have been one of the top 10 that Mr Duff Roman (our guys' first producer, post Hawkins) bestowed on my for having won a CKFH contest in the summer of '70. I think the contest was just a draw, with each 'ballot' being a Crispy Crunch wrapper, or reasonable facsimile thereof. Maybe John D will recall. Of greater interest still was the uncut version of the Chamber Brothers`epic `Time Has Come Today` - though I have to admit to preferring the 45 version. Drummer Brian Keenan went on to Genya Ravan and Baby, a neglected group whose version of `Flying` got some FM airplay back in the day. Listening to it now, I think the instrumental backing is backing. I know the bassist is Peter Hodgson from Rhinoceros, and later Lou Reed, and whose cousin, John Finley, was offered the spot as lead singer with Levon and the Hawks around the time they were working with Duff. I wish I knew who the excellent guitarist was.


Entered at Tue May 14 15:44:35 CEST 2013 from (64.231.178.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Congrats to the Boston Bruins who played like champions in the last ten minutes of play.
The city of Boston will now experience some much needed joy.

Congrats to the Leafs who had us former fans beleafing. I really enjoyed the series.
Boston Bruin Bergeron said it right......The Leafs can keep their heads up high.
Thank you. :-D


Entered at Tue May 14 15:39:13 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Capitol Contract

Ian: The original contract with Capitol was for a two years, with the right to exercise three one year option periods. It's interesting to note that Groscourt was granted favorable terms regarding recording studio arrangements. Capitol agreed to provide their studios at no cost. If Capitol's studios were deemed inadequate or were unavailable, they had the right to use other studios, at competitive rates, with Capitol reimbursing them for the costs. In addition, there were similiar terms regarding the use of editing (mixing) studio facilities.


Entered at Tue May 14 14:25:49 CEST 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Pat B...

Can I escort you to the Oscars? ;) seriouusly, congratualtions.. Well done.


Entered at Tue May 14 09:45:16 CEST 2013 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: Nat Geo

Wow Pat,amazing! I do a lot of wildlife doccies for Nat Geo,Smithsonian and Discovery,that would be final mix and scoring at times.Will your program be on in South Africa,must look out for it!


Entered at Tue May 14 05:08:56 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Bill M, a slab of sunshine pop produced by Jack Nitzsche.


Entered at Tue May 14 04:47:32 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.85)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Thanks. I almost mentioned the Don and the Goodtimes connection but thought it would look too record-nerdish. Coming from you it seems positively dignified - likely because of the Touch reference, which I'd completely forgotten. Elyse ended up moving to the Seattle area, I believe, which I suppose might have been a Goodtime thing as well.


Entered at Tue May 14 00:29:42 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, that Elyse Weinberg album was arranged by Don Gallucci who as a 15 year old was the original keyboardist in the Kingsman. Joey Newman also played on the Elyse album and joined Gallucci with other members of the garage geniuses Don & The Goodtimes to form the even geniusier psych gods, Touch.


Entered at Tue May 14 00:28:04 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Location: UK

Subject: Artie Mogull (and A&R studios)

Thanks John D for the comment and thanks David P for the follow-up.

You spurred me to do a bit more digging and I think that Artie Mogull became VP for A&R at Capitol around March 1971, though he may have joined them in some other capacity at an earlier date. If the original 1968 contract was for 3 years, perhaps he was involved in their re-signing. Just an idea.

In respect of the court case over the John & Yoko sleeve, Artie Mogull once said something like this, "I've waited for years and years for my mother to see my name in The New York Times and, when it appears at last, I'm down for pornography" [not his exact words but near enough].

Just out of interest, the 7th floor A&R studios in which some of the songs from "Music From Big Pink" were recorded was the self-same studio that Dylan had recorded all his albums up to "Highway 61 Revisited". It was at 799 7th Avenue. When CBS moved to new offices (Black Rock?), Manhattan Community College took over the first 6 floors and A&R took over the seventh floor. In 1974, Dylan went back to A&R and started to record the songs that formed most of "Blood On The Tracks". The building is no longer there.


Entered at Tue May 14 00:20:11 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, shhhh, don't tell anyone but I got a few cuzzins in the narth.


Entered at Mon May 13 23:40:20 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Spirit In The Room

As with the earlier, Praise & Blame, it's a fine record. Dimming Of The Day is my most-played track … it's been out for quite a time now.


Entered at Mon May 13 23:30:07 CEST 2013 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Tom Jones - Spirit In The Room

Anybody listen up to this one yet? He covers L Cohen, T Waits & R Thompson. I've only gone through it once and got happily stuck on his take of Dylan's When The Deal Goes Down - it sounds like Garth could be off in the background on that one; gives it a sacred aura. So far so good.


Entered at Mon May 13 23:05:22 CEST 2013 from (68.196.243.163)

Posted by:

Billy C, (Friend0

Subject: Linguistics

The difference between the meaning of the words COMPLETE and FINISHED.

When you marry the right woman, you are COMPLETE. But, when you marry the wrong woman, you are FINISHED. And when the right one catches you with the wrong one, you are COMPLETELY FINISHED!


Entered at Mon May 13 22:47:40 CEST 2013 from (85.255.44.134)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: WWII, PB

And The Band as well. Great minds etc.


Entered at Mon May 13 22:22:38 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Capitol Contract

The Band (then known as The Crackers), through Groscourt Productions, executed a contract with Capitol Records, dated Feb. 1, 1968. Capitol's president Alan W. Livingston signed on behalf of the recording label.

In Rob Bowman's 1991 Goldmine magazine article "Life Is A Carnival" (link above), Robbie related that the group had recorded some demos and that Albert Grossman had originally wanted to get a deal with Warner Brothers. However, Warner president Mo Ostin was out of town at the time. Grossman, eager to make a deal quickly, then called Capitol, which agreed to sign them.


Entered at Mon May 13 22:07:59 CEST 2013 from (76.68.50.132)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Congrats to an Irish Cousin....Pat Brennan!!!!!
:-D


Entered at Mon May 13 19:34:58 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Joan: See it Friday May 31 at 7PM ET/PT on National Geographic Channel.

PV, I think it's already on in you neck, including the continent.


Entered at Mon May 13 19:19:24 CEST 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Pat B

Pat, what station will be showing the program. Did I spy a Nat Geo logo.?


Entered at Mon May 13 19:09:30 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Will look out for WWII on its British showing. Congratulations to Pat. It looks amazing!


Entered at Mon May 13 18:47:08 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Destroy that webpage!!

David P: Was such judicial saltiness common back then? And to think that here we are, 40+ years later, in a new century and a new millenium, still using asterisks to protect the young and/or squeamish.


Entered at Mon May 13 18:39:27 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Link to a show I co-wrote, researched, and scored. Will be on Memorial Day.


Entered at Mon May 13 17:19:41 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Not long ago I read about one of the most famous stories involving the colorful Artie Mogull, regarding the release of John & Yoko's "Unfinished Music No. 1: Two Virgins", which was distributed in the U.S. by Tetragrammaton. The album cover featured a full-frontal nude photo of John & Yoko, packaged with a brown wrapper concealing the nudity. The state of New Jersey, where Tetragrammaton's pressing plant was located, raided the facility, seized 600,000 copies of the album and charged label president Mogull with pornography. At one point during the trial, as Mr. Mogull was testifying, the judge asked him to explain what he thought the record album represented. Mr. Mogull answered: "Well, your honor, this album represents Lennon's surrealistic portrayal of sounds at the time of Creation, and that's why the album cover has to be this way." The judge replied: "Mr. Mogull, you're full of sh*t." The pornography charges were soon dropped after Mr. Mogull entered into a plea bargain. The State of New Jersey, however, destroyed all the copies of the album that had been seized, which according to Mr. Mogull contributed to the label's demise.


Entered at Mon May 13 16:41:46 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronto
Web: My link

Subject: Elyse

Here's a link to a minor hit from another Tetragrammaton LP, "Elyse" by Yorkville folkie, Elyse Weinberg - a nice cover of Bert Jansch's "Deed I Do". There's another track of hers on YouTube called "Houses", which has fellow former-folkie Neil Young on lead guitar.


Entered at Mon May 13 16:25:08 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Artie Mogull

Ian Woodward: In 1968 Artie Mogull was president of Tetragammaton Records, a new independent label co-founded by commedian Bill Cosby. While at Tetragrammaton Mr. Mogull was most noted for signing Deep Purple and the controversial release of John Lennon & Yoko Ono's "Two Virgins". I don't believe Mr. Mogull joined Capitol Records until the early '70s, after Tetragrammaton folded.


Entered at Mon May 13 14:31:28 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Beautiful Old

Having heard it, I checked out Marsteller & Rhodes album under the name Fiery Blue. Very well worth hearing too.


Entered at Mon May 13 14:08:28 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Coffee before posting

That would be Village Records.


Entered at Mon May 13 13:52:16 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter & Joan

Thanks for the tip; on Village Recorders. Ordered the album.


Entered at Mon May 13 13:20:46 CEST 2013 from (70.54.133.168)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson Interview Part 1-6


Entered at Mon May 13 05:15:05 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

The Cavalier

To cavalrymen everywhere.


Entered at Sun May 12 18:08:43 CEST 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

Yellow Tavern

Location: VA

Subject: Remembering JEB Stuart


Entered at Sun May 12 17:48:03 CEST 2013 from (68.199.209.245)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: General discussion,asimed at nothing but the discussion,

I don't know for certain , but suspect, that the reasonably new life devouring craze of picture taking is linked to digital camera picture taking and increasingly easy disitribution of pictures ( from emails to instagrams).

Pictures are great to have, within reason. My mom always liked to take pictures, her whole family were\are pictres takers, but,in the past, it was within reason. Once upon a time, it never interfered with anything. Today, picture taking has become a highly contagious life defeating disease across the culture.the culture of the time we live in.. good time to be an indigenolus person whom does not allow his or her image to be grabbed.

People are so busy taking pictures of things , each other, places, plates of food, etc etc, (and possibly then sending em to people on the spot, at least later on), what the hell do they experience?.Between taking a picture of a place someone just got to, then instagramming it, then reading the gawdamn emails, what the hell does someone experience of the place or event they went to ? How do they enjoy the company they are with?And how do thier companions enjoy the experience?.even without the instagram, who wants to pose for, take, etc etc all those pictures peopel are taking? Who has time to catalogue em, look at em?Live your life when you are out... Cell phones are part of it too,g, digital cameras too. Memopries are nice, but, hey, take back to Polaroids and i'm happy. Living is more important than taking pictures. Life is too damn fast, life never should be instant nothing.

Reviews- impportant....Absolutley. I wish i ahd the time to review every great musical performance i saw, and the ones that only had great moments too. Memories matter, but not at the expense of living...


Entered at Sun May 12 14:50:24 CEST 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Kids, the 21st century & their memories

Peter V: not the 20-somethings I teach. : (


Entered at Sun May 12 14:22:39 CEST 2013 from (70.29.31.254)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"A Song For Mama"

You taught me everything
And everything you've given me
I always keep it inside
You're the driving force in my life, yeah

There isn't anything
Or anyone I can be
And it just wouldn't feel right
If I didn't have you by my side

You were there for me to love and care for me
When skies were grey
Whenever I was down
You were always there to comfort me
And no one else can be what you have been to me
You'll always be you'll always will be the girl
In my life for all times

[Chorus:]
Mama, mama you know I love you
Oh you know I love you
Mama, mama you're the queen of my heart
Your love is like
Tears from the stars
Mama, I just want you to know
Lovin' you is like food to my soul

You're always down for me
Have always been around for me even when I was bad
You showed me right from my wrong
Yes you did

And you took up for me
When everyone was downin' me
You always did understand
You gave me strength to go on

There were so many times
Looking back when I was so afraid
And then you come to me
And say to me I can face anything
And no one else can do
What you have done for me
You'll always be
You will always be the girl in my life, ooh oh

[Chorus:]
Mama, mama, you know I love you
Mama, mama you're the queen of my heart
Your love is like tears from the stars
Mama I just want you to know your love is like food to my soul
Never gonna go a day with out you
Fills me up just thinking about you
I'll never go a day with out my mama

A Song For Mama (Official Music Video)
Boyz II Men


Entered at Sun May 12 11:25:34 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Beautiful Old

Village Records (see link) have "The Beautiful Old" on BUY NOW for the USA ahead of the amazon availability in June. it's getting reviewed.


Entered at Sun May 12 11:17:18 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Memory has changed. I went to Paris in 1972, and we took one 12 shot film, and five of the pictures were crap, so we have seven pictures as memory aids. The first time we went to Orlando when our kids were small, we filled two albums with prints. From our son's wedding last year we got DVDs with nearly a thousand pictures. This affects memory. when you look at the pictures things swim back, and kids now have vastly more memory aids than I ever did.

Same with concerts, theatre. You review it, look back, and memories surface. That's why I review every play we see. Three or four years ago we sorted our boxes of theatre programmes (aka playbills) and couldn't even recall seeing half the plays. A review, and you do.

The 20-somethings now will remember more about 2013 than I ever did about 1969.


Entered at Sun May 12 07:33:51 CEST 2013 from (68.199.209.245)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

quite a while now, any notes i take at concerts i write on the back of business cards. It's not as obvious as using a small pad. Adam- details are what makes things. All of life, not just concerts. Life is in the details. Offshoot: Someone ain't good at details, they gonna have a problem, sooner or later. But noone can be right on the money about details always or forever. It ain't hapopening.

But, i don't care how well someone takes notes, at shows, without memorizing em regularly, 40 years later, 30 years later alot gets mixed up and in. things will stand out, but alot gets mixed in. 25 years from now you won't recall which show the accordion was on which song, which show he played the lowery on the parts you mentioned. Remembering your conversations will be more important. Garth says some memorable things...



Entered at Sat May 11 22:34:56 CEST 2013 from (75.34.53.127)

Posted by:

Adam

I enjoy writing down details, setlists, etc., from a concert. If an evening is really special to me, I want to look back and remember the details with great focus. For the past 4 Garth Hudson/Jimmy Vivino shows I've attended, I can recall (or have written down) specific instrument changes and performances. At one show at the Barn, Garth played "Life Is A Carnival" on Hammond B3 organ and switched to keyboards for his solos. At the Keswick, Garth played "Life Is A Carnival" with accordion and switched to the Hammond for his solos (holding both at the same time). At Tarrytown, Garth used one of his Lowrey organs for special selections.

Details are important to me, and they bring vivid pictures of the special concerts I hope to remember for the ages...


Entered at Sat May 11 22:14:10 CEST 2013 from (68.199.209.245)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Tim, nope. Not I. My old tapes were in my father's attic. But, i understand his wife had the contents of the attic moved, so no telling if i'll see those tapes again or not.


Entered at Sat May 11 20:27:27 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jed, when The Complete Last Waltz first surfaced, the rumor was that it was Garth's onstage mix. Now I think it is a mono board mix to the single Winterland camera that Bill Graham's people used to "film" the whole show.

I believe the Lone Star shows are boards too.


Entered at Sat May 11 19:41:14 CEST 2013 from (71.184.199.161)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Question for (Friend0

Are you the source for the tapes of The Band at the Lone Star Cafe in the 80's? I attended two show in 86, one of which I have on disk (Feb, 7th? or 8th maybe) Tim


Entered at Sat May 11 19:44:44 CEST 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The Beautiful Old

The Beautiful is really wonderful. A lot of those songs are fun to recall and Garth and company do a great job.

John D, I got my copy from the link Jan had posted. It came in about 3 days. Amazon did not have it as of a week ago.


Entered at Sat May 11 19:42:10 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Beautiful Old

Try their website directly, John (link above).


Entered at Sat May 11 19:17:28 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Beautiful Old Not Available Here; from Amazon.uk

Since The Beautiful Old is not available; until late June here in Canada, I decided to order it; from Amazon.uk; where it is available now. One of the sellers sold internationally. No such luck. After many purchases; in the past; from Amazon.uk they won't allow me to purchase this one. Maybe it's the label????


Entered at Sat May 11 18:09:49 CEST 2013 from (68.199.209.245)

Posted by:

BIlly C. (Friend0

In the mid 80s I had a Sony WMD3 that i used to record shows.Not real small. but not real big, i;d set it on the wait people station at the bottom of the stairs that led down from upstairs and just past the stage at the Lone star,, or hold it and wear the mic. It stopped functioning at some point, never got it fixed, Just found it again the other day and do know the right guy to fix it.


Entered at Sat May 11 16:39:52 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Thanks BEG

Very beautifully old-most grateful! Listening this morning to The Complete Last Waltz.Hearing sound as its meant to be is quite real,and enjoyable.Sweet emphasis on the genuis of Garth Hudson.


Entered at Sat May 11 15:47:14 CEST 2013 from (69.156.28.245)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Kevin J and Jed...Listening to "I Can't Tell You Why".

SOUND ADVICE: 'The Beautiful Old' by Garth Hudson, friends is historic

By DAVID MALACHOWSKI
Reviewer


Entered at Sat May 11 14:54:59 CEST 2013 from (69.156.28.245)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Peter V.
Also, check out Oprah's Master Class with her on youtube for all the details of her life.....all of it.


Entered at Sat May 11 10:14:53 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Reviews and set lists

Paul Kantner was the clue. It was riffing on 'If you remember the 60s …' but …

Setlists are a problem for reviews. They really help you to write a review, and in some cases, like any Bob Dylan concert, they'll be online an hour after the show, so you don't need to bother. When I reviewed for "Wavelength" the Van Morrison magazine, reviews carried a setlist at the start. With Van it's important, because he always changes 20% of the songs from show to show, and in one case, where he played Bournemouth two nights in a row, he changed at least 75% of the songs. So when you read a review, a setlist was needed.

I used to carry a tiny pad of paper and just scribble TH (Tupelo Honey) or EXP (Why Must I Always Explain?). Until one Van show. In the gap before the encore, the charming lady next to me said, 'What are you writing, you fecker? Are you a fecking reviewer? I'm a very close friend of your man, and if you're a fecking reviewer, you're fecking DAID! I'll have you fecking seen to,' this all in an Ulster accent. As Mrs V was brought up in Belfast (though doesn't have any accent), I am used to the level of threatening language being far above the actual threat, but it was disconcerting nonetheless. And I feel that scribbling notes, even on your hand, which I have done (TH, EXP) is disturbing to fellow concert goers.

In modern shows, due to the ageing of performers, there's an interval, and that helps, because I can just about recall half a show, so usually scribble notes in a quiet corner outside the actual hall in the interval. If you walk very slowly past the sound engineer, you can see the setlist on the mixing desk, which jogs the memory and fills in songs you didn't recognize. You can only attempt it if you know the artist's work well enough.

I asked a guy who did a lot of concert reviews in the bar afterwards once, and apparently he had a jacket wired up for minidisk. In standing venues where every other idiot is holding up a mobile phone, you could just press record for 10 seconds in every song,but I've never bothered to do that.


Entered at Sat May 11 06:45:52 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

One of the things I remember from the 60s. Linked.


Entered at Sat May 11 06:30:01 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Truth of the matter is Kevin, i like Peter for who he is. Or whom he is.Or even- whomever he is.. Didn't always,did, didn't, did, didn't. . It helps when he's not the moderator, several years have gone by since he was, and we are all older, more forgetful and forgiving. And when i have a good release, he's a good reviewer.


Entered at Sat May 11 06:20:35 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Gawdamn toothache. gimme a bottle of whiskey and a pliers

Good one Kev. And quick too. Truthfully, Peter LIKELY was just riffing off the joke about if you can remember the 60s, but, with a little twist. I like to be wrong once in a while, or maybe be wrong once ina while, and try to show a few people how you do it and admit it. ...But hell, if he asks, even here in NYC, i gotta go to Vancouver to find a good dentist.


Entered at Sat May 11 06:13:46 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Garth in Tokyo

linked


Entered at Sat May 11 06:04:29 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

10 years from now......picture the scene.....Peter spots Billy on a ferry somewhere in British Columbia....waves him over......exclaims....."Hi, It's Peter......Peter V from the GB......I'm looking for a retirement oasis...so what are you up to?"...Billy shakes his head.....tries to think about how he should respond.....smiles and says "You wouldn't believe what a f*ckin dissaster it is for me to get to the dentist from here"


Entered at Sat May 11 05:03:56 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

All that said Pete,- IF you really meant no offence, I is wrong, and apologize. That is how it's done. Just giving lessons. Big Smile.


Entered at Sat May 11 04:19:40 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Well Pete, there were two shows that rick participated in , in that stage under the tent, on that side of Dixon road with in about a years or less of time. Neither was great. One was pretty good, the other was okay. I rememebr that. Jorma played at least one of em, possibly both, maybe one with Tuna. Rick wore tie dye t shirts to both. I don't keep records of shows.

The Band played during one of those Wodstock 89 concerts. Same time frame. I think it was a Sunday.May have been a saturday but doubtful. On a Band level, it was about half good, and half hot. .And i think it was alittle further up Dixon, on the left side of the road. But damn if i dontl recall another Baand show on the rigth side of Dixon road, just up from where the tent was, in that same time frame. and there were other Band shows and other shows with Band members, in that same time frame. too, not on Dixon road, but all over the damn place...Could i give you dates? hell no. the day after most shows, i was usually waking up at 4:30 , taking the dog to the park in the city, or to the reservoir or stream in woodstock, then, loading my truck, and going and swinging a hammer for 12 hours..Didn't have time or desire to keep records, write reviews. So Pete, if my level of live Band appreciation does not meet your criteria, well, i guess i can live with that. I guess i;ll have to make do with some general memeories of show quality, and the more distinct memories, some shows did stand out , for a variety of reasons. Some personal, some musical. But, ya know what, sometimes, all i have is a general memory. there was one 80s show, at The Ritz, in nyc, iremember them coming out and playing a blistering Cripple Creek.The whole show ripped. Could i tell you who opened for em, or if anyone opened. Nope., Could i give you the set list? Nope.but , the show ripped, all the way through.And, The encore, Hand Jive, was a motherfucker,Possibly the best performance of Hand Jive i ever saw anyone do. there were a few other Band performances of Hand Jive that I saw that were exceptional also. Some were at The Lone Star Roadhouse, in the 90s.

that Ritz show, again, sorry Pete, i ain't certain, but i think that WNEW broadcast the performance at a later date. so, if they did,. there could be a nice audio version of it floating around.Not like being there, but then you'd get the set list....

Forgot to mention, one of those two shows Rick was involved in, under the tent, 88, 89, was the one where he had recently returned from Australia. I spoke with him for 5- 10 minutes before the show( please forgive me for no dputting a stop watch on that conversation) , and he was talking with his version of an Australian accent. COudl i tell you what we talked about?Hell no, just that he was telling some tales from the tour, a nd he was his usual friendly, endearing talkative, goofball self, but with his Australian accent. And i could tell you what his skin looked like, and what his mannerisms were like too. Other conversations, i remember the content in far better detail, some in great detail.Cause there were reasons to remember em. So Pete, i guess, not being given to taking notes back then, or even now mostly, i don;t meet your criteria, but , i guess i don't give a fuck either.

It's worse than i though though. There was a Band show i caught at Bearsville, in the 90s.Fuck me, i couldn't tell you what year.But, i know it was before 94. I think. It was a benefit for the VFW or the American Legion.Couldn't tell you which one of those either.I do remember the show was a mother, one helluva show. Beginning to end. One for the books,Just an expression of course, cause i left my notebook, well, i guess i left in the stationary shop. Fuck me, what the hell was i thinking? Goign to a concert without a notebook, vidoe camera.Goddam, if there is such a thing as reincarbnation, maybe I'll comeback as an expert and make up for this inexcusable and incorrigible life i've led.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Really No Offence Meant!

Subject: If you can remember the 90s …

I remember that show. I went along with Paul Kantner. It was Rick Danko. Either that or Don Henley. Anyway, whoever, he was doing a spot with Glen Frey. Or it might have been Jerry Garcia. But I do know they played Sick & Tired. Either that, or it might have been Hotel California or possibly The Letter. Anyway, one of those. At the end, Glen, or possibly Jerry, said Rick, or was it Don? Or thinking about it, it could have been Taj, or even Richie, did something. Maybe they said something, or played something. One of the best shows I’ve ever seen.


Entered at Fri May 10 19:07:18 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Jed, there were some benefits for Uncle willy's too. I remember one outdoor one, on Dixon Road i tihnk it was, ya know, the road that goes up on the left side of Bearsville Flats. Rick played, don't recall if he played with Jorma, or Sredni, O r maybe Blondie too. Jorma played, or Tuna played. Man this was before 1990. I just remember being there and talking to rick. If i have the right show there, he pulled up in his beater Caravan,grey, with the faux woody sides panels. there were afew shows in that spot, i could be mixing the car up from another show.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Frenzy

Luke - Frenzy (Hitchcock's final film). It starred Jon Finch - yes, he could do RR. I saw The Place Beyond The Pines yesterday. Ray Liotta plays Ray Liotta in it. He could do Robbie. But he's have to work at being a nice guy.

Just off to see Emmylou Harrais and Rodney Crowell - front row seats in my favourite concert hall.


Entered at Fri May 10 18:32:10 CEST 2013 from (69.253.167.212)

Posted by:

Luke from PA

Subject: Frenzy

Has anyone seen a movie named Frenzy? It was filmed in 1971 and set in London. The lead in the film is a dead ringer for Robbie Robertson. Uncanny. Not a bad movie either.


Entered at Fri May 10 18:24:08 CEST 2013 from (173.3.49.49)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Jed, i remember Uncle Willy's well. Willy, and his brother too. the bar was fun, they booked great bands. Saw Poppa John Creach there, rick and Jorma, The Crows, dicky betts.


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Posted by:

Luke from PA

By May the 10th, Richmond had fell...


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...Humming A Diff'rent Tune

Even More Roots Of Bob & Notes About Some Other Kind Of Songs

Roots of Bob Dylan: "Corrina, Corrina"

Hey John D. Thanks so much for mentioning "Brown Eyed Woman". I wasn't aware of the song. I am aware of all the "Angelina" songs. ;-D


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian Woodward

It's posts like yours Ian that make this guesbook of interest to me. Great reading. Thank You.


Entered at Fri May 10 14:22:22 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Corrina

Thanks for that link BEG. That's what I like about YouTube. Your link of Muddy Waters took me to Mississippi John Hurt's version; which took me to an eye opening instructional video of having it taught to you by Stefan Grossman. Great morning!


Entered at Fri May 10 13:48:00 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Uncle Willies

Anyone here recall attending shows at uncle willies bar in Kingston in the 80's? Rick,Jorma & Jack,Butterfield etc loved playing this place.In fact, I have particularly fond memories of the place,the music,of the friendship we developed with owner Willie and his wife Beth,and of Willie putting us at a table right in front of the barely above floor level stage on the evening they closed the place.Rick and Sredni played,Jorma,others and the music was going strong till 4am.That show took place one week after Rick's son Eli passed and we were all very pleased to see Rick.There were lots of great times at uncle willies...fond memories-anyone recall this place?


Entered at Fri May 10 09:51:10 CEST 2013 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

DUANE ALLMAN Skydog: The Duane Allman Retrospective By Richard Haslop

One of the most remarkable facts of Duane Allman’s generally remarkable if tragically short musical life is that, by all accounts, less than three years elapsed from the time he first played slide guitar until his death, at just 24 years old, in a motor cycle accident. In that time he had completely transformed the playing method, which had been around the American Deep South at least since WC Handy had encountered his “lean, loose-jointed Negro” at the Tutwiler, Mississippi railway station in 1903, dressed in rags and playing the “weirdest music I ever heard”.

Each one of the adjectives most frequently employed to describe slide playing – stinging, soaring, searing, scything, swooping, sweeping – perfectly illustrates the Allman style. Indeed there hardly seems a way to capture what he sounded like without using them all. But he was not just a superlative exponent of bottleneck playing, his preferred implement famously a Coricidin pill bottle, he was simply a great guitarist, so steeped in a variety of soulful Southern musical styles at such a young age that his playing, as a virtual unknown, on Wilson Pickett’s version of Hey Jude a week or so after his 22nd birthday became the stuff of Muscle Shoals legend.

He soon gained a reputation as a guitarist who could and invariably would contribute exactly the right amount of rock to a soul or blues session, with Arthur Conley, the Sweet Inspirations, King Curtis, Chicago blues hero Otis Rush, Boz Scaggs, just embarking on a solo career following his departure from San Francisco’s psychedelic bluesmen the Steve Miller Band, and even Aretha Franklin among the artists who found their recordings considerably enhanced by Allman’s sure combination of taste, skill and, importantly, given the facelessness of so much session playing, developing musical personality. The extended guitar work on Scaggs’s Loan Me A Dime was an early example of Allman’s ability to solo for long periods without ever seeming to run out of good ideas, and his acoustic slide playing elsewhere on that album revealed a string to his bow that might have become more prominent had he lived long enough to fully explore it.

Duane really only did sessions to help pay the bills while he and his younger brother and all but constant band mate Gregg finally found their own voice in their new outfit, the Allman Brothers Band. That group would release just two studio albums and an epic live double in Duane’s lifetime, but the essence and the influence of those records, and the mostly live Eat A Peach that contained his last work, spread across, if not quite the length and breadth of American rock music, then enough of it for the group’s reputation to have been cemented for all time; and, make no mistake about it, later moments of inspiration notwithstanding, Duane was the spirit of the Allmans.

Along the way he found time to feature as an equal playing partner in arguably Eric Clapton’s finest release, the Derek & the Dominos double album, Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs, to do sterling session work for as disparate a selection of artists as John Hammond, Herbie Mann and Lulu, and to swell and strengthen Delaney & Bonnie’s revolving and ever evolving group of Friends.

All of this, and plenty more, including a significant number of tracks gathered from his earlier bands, the Escorts, the Allman Joys and Hour Glass, along with plenty of soul sessions and a live jam with the Grateful Dead, is collected on a superb, recently released limited edition 7CD box set entitled Skydog: The Duane Allman Retrospective. It might not be that easy to find – mine came by courier from US Amazon – but it could be the best musical money you spend this year.



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Posted by:

Ari

By May the 10th....


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Little Birds

Link above to video of Amy Helm and her band (AKA the Handsome Strangers) performing a powerful 'Little Birds' at The Infinity Music Hall in Connecticut from about a month ago. Amy introduced the song as being a song that her grandfather taught to her father who taught it to her.

I'm pretty happy that she's carrying on the family tradition of playing music for folks!


Entered at Fri May 10 04:48:37 CEST 2013 from (108.204.9.249)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Corrina Corrina

I've enjoyed listening to the various versions of Corrina Corrina. Ollabelle used to do a version that I like quite a bit. Ollabelle's drummer Tony Leone, who sings lead on their take, used to name-check Taj Mahal when introducing the song. Link above is a live version of Ollabelle performing Corrinna Corrina in New York City in 2008. Nice sax work from Jay Collins and Eric Lawrence.


Entered at Fri May 10 01:26:10 CEST 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

Ian Woodward

Location: UK

Subject: Corrina, Corrina and FREEWHEELIN' + Artie Mogull and The Band

If you are intersted in songs performed by, but not wrtten by, Bob Dylan, I can recommend a book entitled THE SONGS HE DIDN'T WRITE - BOB DYLAN UNDER THE INFLUENCE by my good friend Derek Barker. His discussion of "Corrina, Corrina" more or less accords with what has been posted here before but a couple of additional points are worth making: (1) Dylan changes the "mood" of the song compared many versions of the song and (2) he incorporates a line from a Robert Johnson song.

There a couple of club/coffeehouse recordings on which Dylan sings "Corrina, Corrina" and you wil find lyric variations.

In terms of Dylan's official recordings of "Corrina, Corrina", the position is as follows.

Dylan recorded two complete versions on 24 April 1962 and, though Bill Lee played bass on this session, he is not on this song. Both these recordings are in circulation among collectors.

Then, on 26 October 1962, Dylan recorded five complete versions of the song. One is on FREEWHEELIN', one was the B-side of a sngle and two others are in circulation. All feature backing musicians, including the aforementioned Leonard Gaskin on double bass. The fifth complete take has not surfaced, so we can only assume it was with the group. This fifth take should have been on Sony's December 2012's "50th Anniversary Collection" (an attempt ot beat the changes in copyright law in Europe) but was omitted, presumably in error and possibly because, for some reason, it shared the same recording matrix number on the session logs as the version on FREEWHEELIN'.

I have recently had published, along with two collaborators, a ten-page article on Dylan's 1962 recording sessions. Having turned out his first album in two recording sessions, there were seven sessions in 1962 (plus an eighth in 1963) to produce FREEWHEELIN'. The article not only describes the development of the album, session-by-session, but also contains seven take-by-take session tabulations based on the actual session logs for the 1962 sessions. There's a reprint of the original liner notes for the album before Dylan deleted four of the songs recorded in 1962 and substituted four new songs from April 1963. The article is in Issue 167 of ISIS magazine.

There is a passing mention of Dylan signing his music publishing deal with M.Witmark & Sons. Witmark's representative was Artie Mogull, who went on to manage Dylan's own publishing company (that included Dwarf Music, with which most here will be familiar). Artie Mogull also set up two music publishing compnaies of his own, one of which was Callee Music. On 1 April 1968, Callee became The Band's music publishers. This was a five year deal but there was some kind of transfer/merger of rights between Dwarf and Calle on 23 March 1969. I am a bit vague as to the details. Anyway, Artie Mogull was involved in all of this but read on ...

Maybe I've missed this over the years but, after working for Dylan, Artie Mogull moved to the West Coast to head A&R for Capitol Records and has said that his first signing was The Band. I haven't checked The Band's bios or whatever but is this correct?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ari, Adam, Jed, Luke

Sorry about last night's post, guys. I was racing with work. Thanks for posts.


Entered at Thu May 9 20:41:19 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: William R. Scaggs

Great quality video of Boz Scaggs performing "Loan Me A Dime". I first saw him perform this with Duane Allman, Tracy Nelson & Mother Earth and various members of the ABB at a free Oct. 1969 concert in Atlanta's Piedmont Park.


Entered at Thu May 9 20:24:57 CEST 2013 from (64.231.177.39)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robi Botos "Place To Place" EPK

"Robi Botos is a Canadian jazz pianist of Hungarian Roma descent. He was born in Nyíregyháza and moved to Canada in 1998.[1] He currently lives in Toronto and is very active both in Canadian and international affairs. Botos plays with Attila Darvas on bass and his brother Frank Botos on drums. He won the Montreux Jazz Festival piano competition in 2004.[2][3] Botos is the winner of the TD Grand Jazz Award for the 2012 edition of the Montreal International Jazz Festival."

Sincerest apologies to the Botos family as the word "gypsies" conjures up for some people negative stereo-types. Robi does say here that he wants to stay true to his gypsy Roma voice but in case anyone thought otherwise....I feel very badly that I posted quickly this morning. I'm very sorry.....


Entered at Thu May 9 20:03:17 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Playing Corrine Corrina by Bob Dylan just got me listening right through Freewheeling again. I should do that more often!


Entered at Thu May 9 19:59:30 CEST 2013 from (64.231.177.39)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and imagezulu's favourite cover of Corrine Corrina would be this one......and I'm sue Rollie's too. :-D

I will never forget you Rollie aka Jeff Newsom!!!!!!


Entered at Thu May 9 19:56:05 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter

I should have worded that properly. I meant that the Corrina track from Richard was my favourite from the album. I am in total agreement with you. Dylan's version was the first version of that song I ever heard and it does remain my favourite. Talking of bass players with Dylan. Remember Bill Lee? Spike's father. Blew me away when I heard that.


Entered at Thu May 9 19:49:57 CEST 2013 from (64.231.177.39)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and there's this one John D. Ohhhh, how I would have loved him to have performed this one at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival!


Entered at Thu May 9 18:47:00 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

John D: Thanks for the link to the Steppenwolf version, which reminds me how good that entire album is. (I dumped it in some long-ago purge, maybe the same one that lost me my Canadian mono "Blonde on Blonde".)

Coincidentally, Dave Bingham sent me this link to a great track by King Biscuit Boy's forerunner on the Hawkins bandstand, Eugene Smith. It's from a very scare LP that he and his band did in Detroit with Holland-Dozier-Holland in '71. Dave told me in the mid-'70s that Eugene, a huge fan of Levon and the Hawks (and a sometime-member), was so taken with the old-man vocals on Big Pink and Big Brown that he started to experiment with his own 'natural' singing voice - which was/is very rich and subtantially lower.


Entered at Thu May 9 18:41:43 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Corrine Corrina

I'm going to disagree with both. I thought The Steppenwolf had a lovely see-saw effect on the guitar part, and I liked the bass playing on the Crowbar … but no one gets within a mile of the Bob Dylan from Freewheeling for me, the one where the folkies never noticed the addition of electric guitar, bass, piano and drums. Wonderful playing from Bruce Langhorne on guitar and Leonard Gaskin on bass … who also gets that see-saw effect. It comes from one of the greatest albums ever of course, but it has been a solid favourite of mine since I bought the album, and the rockier versions just don't do it for me.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Corrina Corrina

Bill I think Biscuit's version is still my favourite since the release of that amazing album. Other versions include Dylan's of course; but I've sent a link to Steppenwolf "Live"


Entered at Thu May 9 17:31:08 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

John D: We went to see Paul Revere and the Raiders at the Ex last summer, and the 'new' Mark Lindsay turned out to be Bill Medley's son. Good voice, but not as good as his old man's.

Thanks for the tip re Boz Scaggs's "Corrina, Corinna". Gorgeous - and very deep sound, even on my tinny speakers. My link is to another, very different, version you'll know well - King Biscuit Boy's, with Richard Bell on piano (I believe), Larry Atamanuik on drums (later of Seatrain, Winter Consort and Alison Krauss) and former Suedes frontman Johnny Rhythm on bgv.


Entered at Thu May 9 16:35:48 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Spelling

I tend to be hard on myself; with spelling, especiallly when it comes to song titles. In my post to BEG I spelt the words, Corinna Corinna. In fact it is Corrina, Corrina. I have sometimes seen both; but I believe I have it right now.

From Wikipedia (and you certainly can't always trust them; but this I found interesting.)

"Corrine, Corrina" (sometimes "Corrina, Corrina") is a 12-bar country blues song in the AAB form. "Corrine, Corrina" was first recorded by Bo Carter (Brunswick 7080, December 1928). However, it was not copyrighted until 1932 by Chatmon and his publishers, Mitchell Parish and J. Mayo Williams. The song is familiar for its opening verse:

Corrine, Corrina, where you been so long?

Corrine, Corrina, where you been so long?

I ain't had no lovin', since you've been gone.

The Mississippi Sheiks, as the Jackson Blue Boys with Papa Charlie McCoy on vocals, recorded the same song in 1930; this time as "Sweet Alberta" (Columbia 14397-D), substituting the words Sweet Alberta for Corrine, Corrina.

"Corrine, Corrina" has become a standard in a number of musical styles, including blues, rock and roll, Cajun, and Western swing.

The title of the song varies from recording to recording; chiefly with the variant "Corrina, Corrina."


Entered at Thu May 9 15:54:23 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

By the way BEG for whatever reason I found myself listening to the great Bill Medley of the Righteous Brothers singing Brown Eyed Woman last night. 1968 and I believe his first solo recording. I could be wrong. Anyway, yes Mavis & the Dr. got to see it. I already told my friends at the festival that Boz is a must. I know you've read my Boz story; when I was at The Last Waltz. Truly one of the greatest people I have ever interviewed. He does Corinna Corinna on the new album; but on YouTube there is a long live version. Fantastic!!!


Entered at Thu May 9 15:15:12 CEST 2013 from (69.158.29.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey John D...Here is the complete listing of all the acts appearing at Toronto's "Jazz" Festival....Some others perfoming are.....Mavis Staples with Dr. John and Paul James opening for Boz Scaggs, James Cotton, Lighthouse, Bob James, David Sanborn with Steve Gadd (Robi Botos Trio opens).

Robi Botos...I'll have to check my CD, but I'm pretty sure that I taught Robi Botos' daughter. They came from Hungary....gypsies. I had a hard time encouraging him to bring his daughter to school on a consistent basis. The song "Violet" on their first CD is about his wife. She was pregnant at the time. He eventually listened.....

Danny Marks who lives in my hood will also be performing.....One of my former students in my vocal music class did a project on the dobro guitar. She interviewed Danny. Her mother is a photographer and took photos of their time together.....I know....small world....Another quick one.....Every time I see Danny at Daniel's, he's treated like he's very special in our community. At one of our Cabbagetown Festivals, imagezulu and I walked by his home....Unfortunately imagezulu said something to Danny that he didn't like one bit.....which is very odd for imagezulu as he's very reserved.......Danny obviously had a few drinks and said something back.....I just pulled imagezulu away quickly as he's a peaecful man.....Yikes!

Btw, I haven't seen Martha Reeves before, but I have seen Smokey Robinson at Ontario Place when shows were 7.00!!!! I grew up on Motown, Beach Boys, Beatles.....High School was Louuuu, Bowie, Rod the Mod, Dylan, The Band......


Entered at Thu May 9 13:51:06 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Martha & Mary

I'd love to see Martha Reeves. I saw Mary Wilson 18 months ago with Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings, and though I didn't think much of the band, which was crying out for a decent Motown bass guitarist instead of Bill, she was absolutely fantastic.


Entered at Thu May 9 13:22:30 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter V Singing in a lower key

I remember many, many years ago (73-74), I was interviewing Martha Reeves; when she came out with her first solo album, produced by Richard Perry. She did a killer version of Van's Wild Night on that album. Also Dixie Highway and Many Rivers To Cross were standouts.

I discussed her voice at the time and she was very open; about the fact that hitting the notes; from her Vandella years was becoming difficult; in the original key. Therefore she took it down a key and everything sounded and worked fine for her and her audience. BTW, she and a new group of Vandellas; along with Smokey Robinson are opening our Jazz Festival here in Toronto; in late June. It's a free concert!


Entered at Thu May 9 11:00:59 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Most, or even "all" singers have to drop lower with age rather than sing in the original key, and it doesn't matter whether they're health-freaks or the opposite. A surprise a decade or more ago was seeing Andy Williams in his 70s hitting the high notes, but i was told he had "vocal assist" from pre-recorded stuff that can be switched in.

One singer told me that the smoking ban in halls has added years to abilities, as if you sang flat out in a closed space with 2000 people smoking, you felt as if you'd smoked five packs by the end of the show. It's hard to believe now, but I recall seeing Hot Chocolate in the mid-70s, in a 2200 seater. We were in the first row of the small raised area, and the main audience was late teenage, and it looked as if 90% were chain-smoking, determined to finish a pack in the show. There was a thick blue haze … older audiences didn't smoke that much. At Santana a week earlier, far fewer were smoking, but those that were smoking were perfuming the air quite differently. But the young audience were really going through the tobacco. So even non-smoking singers suffered very badly.


Entered at Thu May 9 10:38:23 CEST 2013 from (99.141.52.85)

Posted by:

Adam

"The Last Waltz" Record Store Day issue LP is very nice. In my case, I never listen/play the actual vinyl. I prefer to listen to the extended, balanced remix from the 2002 box set. It is still important to hold the original album, in the format it was created for.


Entered at Thu May 9 09:51:26 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: singers

Levon would have to be The Band's most consistent singer. While Richard and Rick always sounded good in the studio they could be patchy live. I really like Ricks vocals around the time of TLW and his first solo record where he is a lot more controlled and disciplined. I guess in Richards case maintaining a falsetto takes a lot more practice to remain "fit". He was probably more prone to damaging his vocal chords - and his life style wouldn't have helped. Someone mentioned before how sad it was to see him performing so well in the early to mid eighties before he died. He is my favourite performer on "The Band is Back" and "Live in Tokyo".


Entered at Wed May 8 21:08:02 CEST 2013 from (70.192.77.165)

Posted by:

Ari

Just want to add one thing. Richard is and always will be my favorite singer, sometimes I get into Rick and Levon moods but whenever I listen to Tears of Rage I remember why Richard was the lead. Can we agree that the singer of Ruben Remus and Let The Night Fall sound like different people. I'm not talking so much about inflections or nuances, I'm talking about the timbre of his voice. Seems to me that the only member of The Band whose voice remained the same throughout his career is Rick Danko. That includes Robbie, if anybody remembers Greil Marcus' description of Robbie's voice in Mystery Train he described it as "anxious, yelping". Really? Isn't this the guy who sings Somewhere Down The Crazy River? For further evidence of Robbie's voice in 66 when he is in the car with Dylan and Manuel describing the audiences "screaming in these high pitches tones". Robbie and Mickey jones are my favorite characters in eat the document. Robbie always cleaning the dirt from under his fingernails and Mickey, just happy to be there. Ran into Joni Mitchell yesterday at a cafe. It was funny especially because I was reading Sam Shepards Crusing Paradise..."coyote sits in a coffee shop..."


Entered at Wed May 8 19:42:53 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Ari, Adam, Luke, Jed

Location: Scotland

Thanks for the posts. We all agee that Richard was a magnificent musician.

If you look on the fans section of Jan's site you'll see how I made the pilgrimage to Stratford to see Richard's grave and the 'I Shall Be Released' bench.


Entered at Wed May 8 19:00:22 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Freak Out!

I forgot to include the exclamation point in the album's title. "Freak Out!" from the Mothers of Invention was released in June 1966, at a time when the Hawks had just finnished their tour with Dylan. Zappa's "Trouble Every Day" (link) remains just as poignant today as it did 47 years ago. In this age of instant 24/7 news coverage through many media platforms, the song is even more haunting, especially in light of recent events.


Entered at Wed May 8 18:36:32 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: While zircon-encrusted tweezers may be popular among the matrons of Atlanta, here - not so much. Still worth a try, I suppose.


Entered at Wed May 8 18:28:13 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

With Mother's Day approaching and discussion here yesterday of Frank Zappa's "Montana", it's only appropriate that Universal has announced that new vinyl versions of "Freak Out" and "Over-Nite Sensation" will be released by Zappa Records in mid-June. They will be cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering and pressed at the highly-regarded Pallas plant in Germany. No word on whether they will feature the original analog mixes or Zappa's later remixes.


Entered at Wed May 8 17:02:02 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Not really that I know of - just a couple in the east end who we've lost contact with and some neighbours we say hello to. There may be others, but I think sailors keep it to themselves or else everybody'd be dropping over for a ride. My sailing experience boils down to a single aborted outing in Melbourne in '82, when the mast and sail suddenly fell into the water. I later learned that this was dangerous, but I just figured it was a normal thing to have happen.

As for the restaurant, would that be the one across the road and just west of the Black Friars (or similarly named 'British' pub)? I went there a few times maybe 10 years ago to see the Foggy Hogtown Boys play. I recall posting here to the effect that their bassist, John McSomething, would have been perfect for a Band bio-pic - looked like Rick (Six Nations perhaps), played bass and had a great voice.


Entered at Wed May 8 15:57:04 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Richard Manuel

Had a wonderful time around 1979(I believe) when the wifey and I went to a guitar seminar in the Roosevelt Hotel.The day concluded with performances by Rick and Richard,Hot Tuna, others.Prior to the performance we met Rick and Richard outside and walked in with them.Rick was,as he was every time I had the honor to meet him,a very friendly and engaging person.Richard opened up when we told him we had a place in Woodstock.He was shy,but sweet and friendly.We shared a few laughs and I was so happy to meet 2 of my all time favorite musical heros.Over the years we met Levon and Rick many times and loved every second of it.Sadly,we never ,met Richard again,and I still feel sad when thinking of his early demise.


Entered at Wed May 8 15:43:10 CEST 2013 from (50.101.58.42)

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brown eyed girl

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Bill M...After the gym I went to our favourite Portuguese restaurant down the street. I was waiting so long for the streetcar that I got a tan on my face.
I know what you mean about the hours of gigs.....If I'm in town on the upcoming long weekend, I wanted to see the Weber Brothers, but they're starting at 10 and finish gig at 2. I can stay up but they're performing in the west end. I remember in my twenties I'd go to these Jamaican basement parties with a Jamaican friend and their parties would start at midnight and we'd get home at seven in the morning.
I don't think I ever saw the Lincoln's but I do remember seeing their name at a venue by Queen's Park during school days. Btw, the friend who introduced me to Pentti Glan at Rick and Levon's show at the Pearcy House in 1983 lives on your street. Do you know anyone who sails?


Entered at Wed May 8 15:24:09 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

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Bill M

BEG: Yes, I went. Terrific show, with old-people hours - 8:00-11:15. Funny, but I looked at the Y from the streetcar on the way there, mostly because a brother-in-law is a regular. Didn't spot either of you. After the show I ended up sitting on the Ossington bus with Steven Ambrose of the Lincolns (Prakash's band, still), particularly the early days when Whitey Glan was in the lineup. Continued the conversation in the subway, shouting across the tracks, with him on the eastbound platform and me on the west.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"I can’t remember any opening track as easy going and comforting as Island’s Right as rain, and truly it is as "right" as rain! In Let the Night Falls Manuel reaches its Ray Charlsian peak with his yearning voice and when he begins to sing Georgia on my mind, it’s Ray himself."

Hey Bill M...Did you end up seeing the show? After I saw a Japanese film, I was at the gym....close by.

Hi Kevin from Northeast PA...You're very welcome. I'm going to look out for Felder's book. He has that X factor for me. ;-D


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Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Amy Helm

Billy C/Jeff, Glad that you enjoyed Amy Helm's show at City Winery last week. I was there too! I really like what she's doing with her live shows these days. Lot's of energy.

I also saw her up here in Connecticut about a month earlier. The link above is a video clip that I shot at her CT show of the song 'I'm Wise', which she introduced as being the original version of 'Slipping and Sliding'.


Entered at Wed May 8 07:22:11 CEST 2013 from (187.204.140.224)

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luke

Location: usa

Subject: The Beak

Ari=sorry if came off harsh,just agreed w/Dunk Richard was 24/25=Big Pink,and 29/30 round Moondog.all good points you make-Grand Marnier/cig's.I remember Richard would say"Spoils the Magic" because he was sober during that time,but yeah Levon was a little Powerhouse voice-wise in early 80's,loved "One More Shot"Levon commanded that song,ole Jessie James.


Entered at Wed May 8 07:07:33 CEST 2013 from (99.141.60.194)

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Adam

Luke - Please post more in depth about your experiences meeting Richard Manuel. Thank you! Ari - It's always nice to read your posts here, so feel free to post more often!

I have also noticed the different qualities in Richard's voice throughout the original quintet years. I'm not an expert, but I'll just say that I always thought his voice became sensitive to the heavy living. In 1976 his voice was probably the roughest it would get. But in the remaining years, presumably when better care was taken, sober, etc., the voice had the ability to return.

Personally, I think one of the most tragic aspects of Richard's story is how great he sounded right before he passed away. He regained a lot of the range, nuance, and beauty of his early years. Imagine what proper care and health for Richard's voice would have done. I always feel very sad that we never got to see Richard Manuel, with a maturing, well cared for voice, releasing recordings well into old age.


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luke

Location: usa

Subject: ari comments

long time Bandfan here,started seeing the separate members starting in 1981,met/spoke w/Richard 3X,and just wanted to add,that Dunk was totally correct w/his comments,but Ari 's doesn't seem to get it,yeah Richard lost something,like Windwood didn't,but I saw him Live doing "She Knows",and "You dont know me",right before his death,and it was great.Tell me Clapton,Dylan,Weir,Jagger sounded as good in 1986,I do see your point,but then again I reply,Richard Manuel,when asked who my favorite singer is,call me biased,right on Dunk,I also have a couple of storys about when I met Richard on 3/4 occasions,and after he passed I met his cool Mom at the Lone Star Cafe,I was pretty young Lad at the time,cheers.


Entered at Wed May 8 05:36:47 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

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Ari

Subject: Richard's voice, Dunc

Appreciate the response. But I'm skeptical of that explanation because of a few things.

For one, that seems like a rookie mistake as a singer to not realize your killing your vocal chords day by day, weak conditioning. I don't think his voice was necessarily declining in 1971, he still sounds great. It seemed really abrupt. But it was during their hiatus in 1972 when something happened, I don't if it's that he wasn't using voice or something but when they came back in 1973 he sounded almost completely different.That's only a year mind you. That means that he was just 30 years old when his voice gave out on him? What's that about? God only blessed him with 15 years of that voice. Sounds like a raw deal to me. I realize realistically it has to be either drugs or the damage he did to his voice in the earlier years but it just baffles me that it would go like that. If I was a professional musician and my lead instrument was my voice I'd get that looked at, don't care what I'm on. Wasn't he aware of the change? I don't think this fact of Richard's voice is as well documented as it should be. Because The Last Waltz is what use to paint the picture of what the members of The Band looked like visually, it really doesn't help that Richard lost his voice and was only an adequate piano player and scary looking. I can't tell you how angry it makes me when I watch Last Waltz with somebody and all they have to say is "That guy's kind of creepy." Don't they know it was not always like this!

Anyhow, that comment Robbie made about Ray Charles "What Would I Do Without You" on heroin making his voice deeper. Just thought it was possible explanation for the voice change, I didn't realize that heroin made the voice deeper, nor would I expect for it to be as permanent as it was.

Dunc, I agree with you on Whispering Pines, if you check out that Band documentary for Classic Albums I believe they use a demo Robbie must have recorded as the background music. I only noticed this recently as it does not yet sound like version we know, they must have still been working on the chord arrangements...anyhow you can hear it at points for sure. It's during the segment where they have the home video footage and explaining what Big Pink was.

Speaking of Whispering Pines I love everything about the alternate take of the song. The exchange between John Simon and Richard is really funny. Richard also has a beautiful speaking voice, really hits me, it's coming right from his chest.

Simon: ...There is no in between...

Levon: (inaudible)...you can come out of it like that Richard...

Richard: Hmmm?

Levon: You make that change like that, it's good.

(Garth plays a lick...Simon interrupts over intercom)

Simon: Who was squeaking around in beginning so much?

(pause)

Richard: (either agitated or confused) Squeaking around?

Simon: Yeah there was a squeaky chair in the beginning...Is it your chair Richard?

(sounds of Richard testing his chair)

Richard: ...No?

(pause)

Richard: It's not my foot?

Simon: Nah...Not unless you got wooden toes.

Richard: ...My heel?

(pause...Robbie gets impatient)

Robbie: Okay...

Richard: ...1...2...3...4...

(Song starts)


Entered at Wed May 8 01:07:44 CEST 2013 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin from Northeast PA

Web: My link

Subject: Jay Farrar Book - Band Reference

Wilco and their front man Jeff Tweedy get mentioned here every now and then. I'm a fan of theirs and of Jeff Tweedy's previous early 90's band Uncle Tupelo. The other main guy in Uncle Tupelo was Jay Farrar who started his band, Son Volt after the UT breakup. Jay has a written a book (well a memoir it's being called) that has a Band reference. UT was part of the Michelle Shocked tour that the Band did that also included Taj Mahall. Paragraphs below are from Jay's book (apologies to Jay for lifting this right out of the book) - The Web link above will take you to the book if you're interested;

Garth Hudson: "It's an indigent general" - speaking matter-of-factly about his rented keyboard for the evening's show. Garth kept to himself for most of this tour, and in retrospect, that idea had its merits. Garth was both approachable and quick to strike up a conversation when he was around.

Levon Helm: "You boys want some of this smoke? Just elbow your way on in there, son ...". Everyone knows of the musical powers of Levon Helm. Levon's character and soul were the driving force and backbone of The Band. They were once called Levon and the Hawks for this indisputable reason.

Rick Danko: Getting to hear the crystalline voice of Rick Danko sing "It Makes No Difference" during soundcheck for a week in a variety of cavernous theaters and clubs was a transcendent experience. Rick was fresh out of rehab for the beginning of the tour. Upon seeing our guitar tech drinking a Crazy Horse forty-ounce beer, Rick approached and exclaimed, "Man, I just got out of rehab - I gotta have some of that".

He then proceeded to take a long swig of Crazy Horse-- probably for effect -- and to strike up a sense of camaraderie with the upstarts in the opening band. I never saw Rick indulge in anything for the duration of the tour except the haunting music he was known for.

BEG - thanks for all of those posts and links.

Regarding The Eagles. Don Felder deserves more credit than he was given. His book is an excellent read. Highly Recommended.


Entered at Tue May 7 23:02:14 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ari

And from Peter the V's excellent synthesis on Rocking Chair. This quote is from Barney.

'Richard Manuel played some other wonderful Southern characters on The Band. On the exquisite Rockin' Chair , he was a septuagenarian seadog finally come home to 'old Virginny' to spend his last days with his crony, Ragtime Willie'.

You need different voices for different characters.

Thanks for the selfless work, Peter. I enjoyed reading the article again tonight.


Entered at Tue May 7 22:48:34 CEST 2013 from (86.162.108.246)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Ari

It's because the young Richard is outstandingly good. Unbeatable. I've been listening to 'Tears of Rage', 'In A Station', 'Lonesome Susie', 'I Shall Be Released' and 'Whispering Pines'.

Different voices from the one person. You get that emotion, only certain singers can achieve.

You wonder if he's going to reach that note. Then there's the combination of high voice and throatiness. The gentleness on 'Whispering Pines'

And the accompaniment... brilliant...the hand playing of the snare on 'I shall Be Released'.

The understated, important acoustic guitar on 'Whispering Pines' after 'I don't see you anywhere' and just before the 'Standing by the Well' duet. (Which is brilliant, with Levon magnificent) Does anybody else think about Robbie's beautiful, restrained playing here?

And Garth underpinning it.

Great songs too.

Does that explain, Ari?

And I'd rather listen to the larer Richard than almost anybody.


Entered at Tue May 7 21:34:04 CEST 2013 from (68.196.243.216)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Pandora and the Musician

Link is to article featuring an e mail exchange between an artist and Tim Westgren of Pandora. BLake's songs got 27,900 plays , for which he was paid $1.62. Westgren pulled 13.9 million bucks by cashing in his Pandora stock options last year. Morgan comes across as very intelligent. I am honeslty puzzled that Morgan still supports Pandora. there are different kindsd of Internet Radio. Though i don't care for the sound, i support XM and Sirius.At least they pay royalties in a fair manner, and the airplay offers exposure thast does lead to sales/ . Companies like Spotify, Pandora, nope, i can't support , they are rip off operations that do no pay fairly, and streaming sites where you can access songs at will very frequently discourage sales.


Entered at Tue May 7 20:35:17 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Emailed you at mindspring, but it bounced back. I'm at the same address as always if you wish to update me.


Entered at Tue May 7 19:47:16 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: So Fine

Here's a link to my favourite Ike and Tina record. (Sorry about the ad.) I wonder if the future Bonnie Bramlett would have been on this. I thought of her yesterday when John D posted something about Bernie Leadon. John and I both saw Bernie and Bonnie and Garth Hudson all playing a party at the Palais Royale celebrating the release of the "Festival Express" movie a few years ago. Richard Bell too, as part of the Full Tilt Boogie reunion. And Sylvia Tyson.



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David P

Subject: From Nutbush, Tennessee to Montana

Tina Turner & the Ikettes were a convenient, as well as inspired, choice, as Frank Zappa was recording at Ike Turner's somewhat infamous Bolic Sound Studio in Inglewood. Ike & Tina were in the process of recording "Nutbush City Limits" at the studio during that time.


Entered at Tue May 7 18:13:34 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

"gonna be a mennil toss flycoon..."


Entered at Tue May 7 18:12:12 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, please advise Ed Roth to include Merryweather on his CV for these press releases. We know why.


Entered at Tue May 7 18:08:24 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the man doth protest too much

David P: As if Ike didn't have a cabinet full of zircon-encrusted tweezers in his own bathroom.


Entered at Tue May 7 18:00:24 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Then there's Ike Turner's response upon hearing a playback of the tape of "Moving to Montana" after Tina dragged him into the studio to listen:

"What is this s**t?!"


Entered at Tue May 7 17:52:08 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronna

BEG (and you too Kevin J): If you're free this evening, here's a promising show on College near Christie. You of course already know Fonfara and his work, and Ed Roth was for the longest time Daniel Lanois keyboardist and plays accordion on "Acadie". Year before that he and Nick Balkou recorded the gret Great White Cane album with the pre-fame Rick James.

THE ROOTS OF TORONTO SOUL
BENTROOTS CD Release Party, featuring a who’s who of the Toronto Blues Society

BENTROOTS, Toronto’s soulful “swamp/funk” band is excited to announce the release of their 3rd and latest recording entitled “Welcome to Club Bluenote”, an homage to the club which came to be known as Toronto’s “Home of Rhythm and Blues”. The Revival will host the bash on May 7. Featured performers from the CD include Gayle Ackroyd, The Lincoln’s Steve Ambrose, Diana Braithwaite, John Dickie, John Findlay, Fathead’s John Mays, Peter McGraw, Osunlade, Betty Richardson and Johnny Wright. Other special guests including John Finley of Rhinoceros fame will also perform. The evening will be emceed by CIUT’s program director and host of “Funky Fridays” and “Global Rhythms”, Ken Stowar.

Since 2009, Little Nikky Balkou and his BENTROOTS ensemble have been establishing themselves as one of the freshest genre-defying bands around. With such veterans as Michael Fonfara on keys(Downchild Blues Band, Lincolns, Lou Reed and Rhinoceros), Ed Roth, on accordion and keys (Daniel Lanois, Rick James), Duncan McBain on drums (Morgan Davis, Johnny Max, Dutch Mason and Tom Barlow), and Humber-schooled Robert Newman holding down the bass (Oasis, Son Roberts), songwriter/singer/guitarist Little Nikky has assembled a dream team of some of his favourite musicians.

“WELCOME TO CLUB BLUENOTE” is a collection of mostly original tunes, penned by Balkou and hand picked for each of the artists who appears on the CD. “It is my vision to celebrate the Toronto entertainers past and present who make up the current Toronto rhythm and blues scene.” says Balkou (Little Nikky). “I also want to pay tribute to my cousin Bill and his contribution to the Toronto music scene. After all, it was Bill who resurrected the original club from the sixties. I remember him greeting people at the door in his tux…a class act all the way.”

For more information and to listen to BENTROOTS recordings, please visit www.bentroots.ca. They can also be heard at https://soundcloud.com/bentroots

WHAT: Welcome to Club Bluenote, BENTROOTS CD Release.
WHERE: Revival Bar, 783 College Street.
WHEN: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 8-11 PM.
TICKETS: $10 in advance through www.bentroots.ca , $15 at the door.


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Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: I went out to Montana with a Bible in my arm, looking for my fathers on a long-abandoned farm

Landmark: Thanks for the quick response. My long-held theory is that "Moving To Montana" was Frank having fun with David Ackles magnificent "Montana Song" (see link). And the Ackles song is easily something that Robbie could have written if only he'd signed up for that nightschool course on journaling.


Entered at Tue May 7 17:01:38 CEST 2013 from (70.50.38.112)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Long Live Lauryn Hill!!!!


Entered at Tue May 7 16:14:33 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

The new RSD version of TLW LP-set is reportedly a new mastering cut by the respected Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering. I passed on purchasing it, but I've read some favorable online reviews. However, there have been reports of issues with skipping & pops with some of the pressings.

I have that fine stereo 45 single from "Before the Flood" that features The Band's "Stage Fright" as the B-side to "Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)" released on Asylum.


Entered at Tue May 7 16:11:28 CEST 2013 from (70.50.38.112)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

What's the ugliest Part of your body?
What's the ugliest
Part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
(I think it's your mind)
But I think it's YOUR MIND
(Your mind)
I think it's your mind, woo woo


Entered at Tue May 7 16:02:49 CEST 2013 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

The back-up singers were Tina Turner and the Ikettes (un-credited) as per the"Classic Albums program for that album. I do remember Kin Vassey being on the show as I seem to recall the band getting billing in the opening credits. I too, watched the show sparingly but judging from the diverse Canuckistani content, it had to be filmed here.

Frank's tribute to The Band? I doubt it but it made me smile.


Entered at Tue May 7 15:25:38 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

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Bill M

Web: My link

Yesterday I drove home to Zappa's "Overnight Sensation", which I keep for Frank's Band tribute (via David Ackles), "Moving To Montana". Checking the credits, I couldn't see who the back-up women singers were, but I was surprised to learn that the yippy-yi-yo-kiyyays were contributed by Kin Vassy, a name I know only as a member of (Kenny Rogers and) the First Edition in the early '70s, which also included Mickey Jones. That got me wondering if Kin was on the Canadian TV show, "Rollin' on the River", hosted by Kenny and crew for a few seasons at the start of the '70s. Seems so. The link is to the interesting and spottily impressive list of who guested on which episodes: BB King, Rick Nelson, Ronnie Hawkins, Bo Diddley, Dianne Brooks, Gene McLellan and a parade of hit Canadian groups like the Poppy Family, Ocean and April Wine. I'm now disappointed that I didn't watch; don't know why, as we had a TV. The only episode that I recall seeing was the Hawkins / Diddley episode, when Ronnie and Bo appeared together trading quips and, I'm sure, singing "Bo Diddley".


Entered at Tue May 7 15:10:28 CEST 2013 from (70.50.38.112)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The tax education of Lauryn Hill: Prison


Entered at Tue May 7 13:15:50 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.81)

Posted by:

Bill M

Adam: Any thoughts on the 45 of "Stage Fright" lifted from Before the Flood?


Entered at Tue May 7 10:27:59 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: TLW

… and the box set, of course.

Anyone listening to Mumford & Sons? The YouTube "The Weight" was posted a while ago, with Simone Felice & Simi Stone. They keep getting called Nu-folk here, and compared to both The Band and Bellowhead … I find both comparisons hard to see, as both The Band & Bellowhead, though very different from each other, have a complexity instrumentally that's in a different universe. BUT Mumford & Son are interesting.


Entered at Tue May 7 09:43:41 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Subject: TLW

I was in a dilemma over the triple LP reissue. My local store still had one on Saturday, and I looked at it and thought, 'Wait, I have the original vinyl, the CD, the bootleg Complete Last Waltz and the DVD in 5.1 sound. And it's £49.' I'm beginning to regret not buying it … WEA didn't use great vinyl in the late 70s, so it's going to be a better quality product. Will it sound better? There's the question … David P? What do you reckon?


Entered at Tue May 7 08:41:29 CEST 2013 from (75.34.39.34)

Posted by:

Adam

I happily scored a Record Store Day reissue of "The Last Waltz" from Vintage Vinyl in Evanston, IL (online)! I believe Jan Hoiberg also mentioned getting one. It's a numbered reissue of the original 30 track, 3 LP set. Presumably with the updated remixes from TLW box set.

I was just listening to "Before The Flood" and The Band's eight tracks really stand out as excellent. I really noticed how much Garth's keyboards are turned up in the mix, a haunting effect and really identifying the live sound. MoFi will be reissuing this one sometime in the next year or so...


Entered at Tue May 7 00:56:31 CEST 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

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BIlly C. (Friend0

Pat, keep em coming... you're doing a fine job of representing yourself and i've been thoroughly enjoying it...


Entered at Tue May 7 00:18:58 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Kevin

LMAO! Pink Eagles?


Entered at Tue May 7 00:06:47 CEST 2013 from (70.31.48.79)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jed.......all I'm hearing is a low hum buzzing sound, maybe we are at a Floyd gb.............remember that the great Richard Wright was demoted to salary employee at the end of the Roger Waters Floyd era...........many of these bands have similar history's.....rock n roll is a vicious game....at least Waters got to keep the floating pigs in his court case!

John D: tsk tsk....a Habs fan should not be enjoying anything after last night! I cried myself to sleep....after a few drinks mind you...


Entered at Mon May 6 23:43:45 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Randy Meisner

Boy did he lend a tremendous talent to the Rick Nelson Live At The Troubadour album.


Entered at Mon May 6 23:41:12 CEST 2013 from (70.29.40.217)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"The group's lineup stayed steady from 1978 through 2001, when they fired guitarist Don Felder. He grew weary of being treated like an employee, and the fact that Don Henley and Glenn Frey made more money from the tours than he did made him insane. "I withstood the abuse until I could no longer tolerate it, and stood up for myself," Felder told Rolling Stone in 2008. "Now I feel a huge weight off my shoulders. You know, I admire a band like U2 who share a brotherly love and, despite the money, still care about the music. That was never the case, and never will be, with the Eagles. . . I find it ironic that a band with a name that stands for freedom in America is ruled with iron fists. When you can't even have fun onstage without being accused of pulling focus, it's time to question why you're there. I wasn't willing to do it for the money."

Randy Meisner doesn't share Felder's bitterness. "You're wasting your time thinking about that stuff," he said. "I got a great business manager. When he invests, you make money. I got my house paid off, my wife, two little chihuahuas and tomato plants that are five feet high right now. I'm happy as a clam."

Bernie Leadon has a similar attitude. "When my son was around 12, he asked me if I regretted leaving the band," he says. "I told him if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't have met his mother, and he wouldn't exist. And I wouldn't trade him for anything. I have a lot to be grateful for. Also, when those early albums sell, I still make money. The first Greatest Hits album goes platinum every single year. I get royalties just like it was a new album. In a way, I'm still part of a band that goes platinum every year."


Entered at Mon May 6 23:39:59 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: BEG

OK. Sending a test right now and lets hope I have the right one.


Entered at Mon May 6 23:35:57 CEST 2013 from (66.65.92.140)

Posted by:

Ari

In 1978 writer Greil Marcus joined The Band’s guitarist, Robbie Robertson, and Martin Scorsese in the filmmaker’s home in the Hollywood hills. The purpose of this visit was to discuss The Last Waltz, an amazing documentary Scorsese had made of The Band’s farewell concert held on Thanksgiving night of 1976 at the Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco. What follows is an excerpt from the resulting article printed in the magazine New West:

"Scorsese pulls out a Ray Charles album; the song he wants us to hear is “What Would I Do Without You,” from 1957. It’s a slow, tragic blues ballad; there’s the assumption of a happy ending, or at least of resolution, in the lyrics, but not in Ray Charles’s singing. “Leave out a few Billie Holiday tunes, and there’s more heroin in that music than in anything you’ll ever hear,” Robertson says. “Heroin does something to your throat, it makes the voice thicker. Listen.” We do; the title of the song takes on a new, acrid meaning. “We used to do it,” Robertson says, “‘What Would I Do Without You,’ after we left Ronnie, when it was just the five of us, before Bob, before Big Pink. But we couldn’t get away with it. The song was too down, it was death. That’s what it is. People would just sit there, or they’d leave” (Marcus, 2010).

This brings up a question I've always been meaning to ask. After the 1972 hiatus Richard's vocals were slowly declining, not to something unlistenable obviously but the difference between Tears of Rage and Hobo Jungle is discernibly different. The times Richard sounds like his old self by Northern Lights Southern Cross are far and few between. Now I realize heroin was a habit for all the guys but why then did it affect Richard the way that it did, that is even to say that heroin is the cause of the change. But that said I always thought it was a combination of everything: alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Even with a deadly concoction like that I can think of very few cases where it would take a toll such a that, and such a permanent one too. If that's true then why did it only affect Richard, my impression was Levon was the biggest on that front. I don't hear the thickness in Levon's voice in Strawberry Wine, in fact I don't hear it until much later on by the Before The Flood tour (in fact, I think Levon's voice was in its peak in 1974-76!) Did Robbie know this then or did he first piece this together in the early 70s.


Entered at Mon May 6 23:34:13 CEST 2013 from (70.29.40.217)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

JD: Hi there. I checked all accounts and did not receive your email.

Former Eagles Guitarist Bernie Leadon to Rejoin Band for Upcoming Tour

Member Joe Walsh lets news slip in interview

Update: A spokesperson for the Eagles says Leadon and other details regarding the tour are "in discussion."

I previously posted via of an Eagle link that it is indeed Bernie Leadon. I would love to see all seven of the Eagles perform on this tour....It is supposed to be a History of The Eagles Tour, right?
Felder is willing under certain circumstances....Love him for sticking up for himself. Plus he adds a different mix from Bernie.
Funny, that I always assumed that Henley was the toughest to deal with when all these articles are pointing fingers at Frey. Not surprising, as he's the one who tells everyone at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that it was only.....5% of the time that they struggled with problems.....Sure.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rick Nelson

I'm listening to Levon Helm and American Son album; as well as Rick Nelson Live At The Troubadour. Glass; or two of wine. It's a good day.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Did I Stumble Upon an Eagles GB?

Is this possible that we are still eagle-ing?!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Former Eagle joining for tour.

So that would leave Bernie Leadon; or Randy Meisner. Personally I would love to see both; but pushed, Bernie Leadon.


Entered at Mon May 6 22:28:41 CEST 2013 from (70.29.40.217)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

DON HENLEY SAYS A FORMER EAGLE WILL RETURN TO THE BAND FOR UPCOMING TOUR

The Eagles were the subject of the recently-premiered documentary ‘The History of the Eagles,’ which offers a window into the group’s long-held secrets. “We were always a pretty private band,” Henley says. “We didn’t allow a lot of access to our little entourage there. Partly, of course, because of our behavior.”

But some of that material made it into the film through private footage, causing Henley to add, “I’ve got a lot of explaining to do to my kids.”

The Eagles will tour this summer with a greatest hits show billed as ‘The History of the Eagles’ as a nod to the documentary. Henley says it “could very well be our last . . . we’re gonna include at least one former band member in this tour and kinda go back to the roots, and how we created some of these songs. We’re gonna break it down to the fundamentals and then take it up to where it is now.”

Though he declined to reveal who will be rejoining the group, he acknowledged it wouldn’t be guitarist Don Felder, who trashed Henley and Glenn Frey in his memoir.

“That was easy, wasn’t it?” Henley quipped.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Eagles’ Don Henley talks about life in an iconic American band in a candid interview with The Free Press
April 28, 2013

Q: Once they see the film, how are you going to deal with uncomfortable questions from your kids about your days in the Eagles when you were younger and (less) wise?

All things considered, including the tenor of the times, I think the film is pretty tame.

My kids are smart enough to know that the ’60s and ’70s were no game of shuffleboard, no knitting circle. We’ve already begun talking about these issues.

Like any parent, I want them to learn from my mistakes, but at the same time, I don’t want them to be afraid to take risks.

Every successful venture in life requires some degree of risk, but there are blind risks and informed risks. I want my kids to know the difference; I want them to learn from the foolish risks I took as well as the ones that paid off.

That being said, I tend to favour the school of parenting that holds the belief that some things are none of my kids’ business.

Q: What was more fun — the first act of the Eagles, or the second act you are currently enjoying? And could there possibly be a third act?

It’s all been fun, but there are different kinds of fun. In the first act, the highs were higher and the lows lower. Since we resumed working together in 1994, things have proceeded on a much more even keel.

There’s less drama and virtually no partying of any kind. It’s a very professionally run operation. It has to be.

This is not to say that everybody’s always on the same page, but the primary focus, these days, is to deliver consistent, high-quality performances, night after night.

So, “fun” cannot necessarily be our first concern. We have a job to do, an obligation to our fans that we take very seriously. When we deliver the goods and make our fans happy, then that provides all the pleasure we need. No extracurricular activity is required anymore.

Q: There was a noticeable change in moods between End of the Innocence and Inside Job. You went from a bleak view of America to “I hate to tell you this, but I’m very, very happy.” Will listeners notice as dramatic a change in your outlook between Inside Job and the upcoming solo album?

The new solo album, which will be released in September, is called Cass County. That’s the name of the rural county I come from in northeast Texas. The album was recorded mostly in Nashville, with some additional recording done in Texas and California.

The material on it is a reflection of a part of my musical foundation — songs I heard on the radio and on my parents’ record player in the ’50s and ’60s. It’s not exactly a “retro” album, but neither does it reflect much of what’s going on in “modern” music.

It’s primarily a record for grown-ups — people who’ve done some living. It explores the landscape of memory and experience. There are a few cover songs on the album, but most of the content is new, original material."


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Peter V

I've got a few hours driving tomorrow and Wednesday and was just selecting some CDs. After our recent discussion, I went to The Eagles section, and realized I'd totally forgotten the existence of "Long Road Out of Eden." I was hovering between Hotel California and the Very Best of …, but they're both on my iPod anyway. So it's John Boden solo "Songs From The Floodplain", Spiers and Boden "The Works" and Eric Burdon "Till Your River Runs Dry."


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Pat B

According to the Eagles doc, some kind of new entity was created for the reunion, of which Frey and Henley ran. Schmitt, Walsh and Felder were all hired employees. The latter was the only one of thee three upset with the arrangement.


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Pat B

Jeff, so good to know that when you post, you don't care whether it has any basis or comports to some system of logic.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dirty Laundry

Bill: Evidently, as things turned out, it wasn't that simple to terminate Mr. Felder's services, as the consolidated lawsuits were settled out of court, with Felder reportedly receiving a lucrative amount. He's sued Eagles Ltd., Henley & Frey, and later manager Irving Azoff. After three years of litigation and discovery, the defendants suffered a strategic legal setback in 2004 when the California Court of Appeals ruled against their efforts to compel the case to be decided by binding arbitration, rather than go through a public trial. In other words, all the "dirty laundry", as Mr. Henley once sung, would have been aired in open court. As the trial date approached, it was announced that the case had been settled, under undisclosed terms, in 2006.


Entered at Mon May 6 18:27:34 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Fired, or simply voted off the island? In regular business, is it that simple to get rid of a 33% shareholder just because you don't like him anymore?


Entered at Mon May 6 17:45:55 CEST 2013 from (64.231.17.86)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I forgot to wish all Canadians a HAPPY BLUE DAY!!

I left this morning wearing monochromatic blue except for my red watch.
If the Toronto Maple Leafs can finish their checks and play the person, and not the puck.....
Tim from Boston....May the best team at this time win. It's all good.


Entered at Mon May 6 17:31:11 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

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David P

As a business entity, Eagles Ltd. began with five equal partners. After Meisner and Leadon left, only Henley, Frey and Felder were full partners. While Mr. Schmit and Mr. Walsh are well compensated, I don't think they've become equity partners. When Mr. Felder began questioning Henley and Frey on how they were demanding larger shares of the group's profits, he was fired.


Entered at Mon May 6 17:23:14 CEST 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Take it to the Limit

'Cause....I'm already gone......so......take it easy with that......new kid in town.

I'm sure glad I don't operate a web page...especially this one for the crap that is hashed over, and over, and over agin.

We put this babble on Eagles to bed long back. Eagles! is not just a band, it is a "corporation". Surely anyone who is in some kind of business knows what that means.

The first two Eagles to fly the nest, were just so fed up with Frey & Henley, (particularly Frey) they just said "fuck it" and gave up their shares, BIG MISTAKE.

Don Felder finally took Frey & Henley to task and wanted to know what was happening to all the money. THAT is when they told the agent to fire him......well...."You can't fire a share holder!" The only thing they could do to have done with Don Felder was buy out his shares.

Lets say at the time Eagles Corp. was worth 200 million..well they had to pay what his shares were worth, plus maybe a little bonus. It would have cost them around 65 to 70 million, (which I think is about what it was.)

As well as that, there was some other performing business that was agreed to if Felder ever stepped on a stage with them again. So don't expect to see that unless it has something to do with promotion.

You can easily find on youtube a vid where Don Felder explains how he was sitting on a beach in California playing his guitar and came up with the "Hotel California" music. He was afraid he may forget it. So he hurried home and had a little reel to reel in his little daughter's bedroom, where he went in and recorded it.

Don Henley then explains how they came up with the lyric. Driving in the freeway to LA, the lit up sky from the city brings the lyric.............On a dark desert highway, I saw a shimmering light........and on and on.\ So Randy and Bernie were done out of quite a fortune by mostly Frey and his not so easy to deal with way.

You are right Bonk, a friend of mine here in Powell River owns that "Flatbed Ford". He will quite honestly say, he has no way of proving it is the one, however it carries the story with it, and is supposed to be.

I don't know how many here can take Eagles music so lightly, and feel it has no quality compared to ??? There is many songs they have, that have stood the test of time.

The last concert here we went to in Vancouver a couple of years ago, when there is 25000 plus people there every night for a week, and as you look around and watch people, and you see faces from 70 years old to 20 years old every where I don't know how you can discount their popularity or the timelessness of a lot of those songs.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Bill M. Very sad news....

Sebastian...Please encourage your dad Robbie Robertson to perform and/or record with Garth Hudson...Please.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stone Canyon Band

The original line-up of Rick Nelson's Stone Canyon Band in 1969 featured Randy Meisner, Allen Kemp, Pat Shanahan and "Sneaky" Pete Kleinkow. Sneaky Pete soon left to join the Flying Burrito Bros. Buddy Emmons filled in on pedal steel for a few gigs, but had too much session work to join full time. Fortunately, former Buckaroo Tom Brumley was available. Guitarist Kemp and drummer Pat Shanahan had previously played with Mr. Meisner in a group called Poor before he joined Poco. While Timothy B. Schmit would replace Meisner in both Poco and the Eagles, Meisner later rejoined Poco for a reunion in the '80s.


Entered at Mon May 6 16:42:47 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Greg Quill, RIP

Australian roots musician cum Toronto music critic Greg Quill passed away over the weekend. He was a first-rate singer-songwriter himself, but I most appreciate his columnist's role in turning readers like me onto two of my favourite albums, Fred Eaglesmith's "Tinderbox" and Peter Boyd's "Beulah Land". I caught him as a performer just twice, once fronting Greg Quill and the Hot Knives in the last '70s and once in the '90s at a 'reunion' with Kerryn Tolhurst, a fellow veteran of Oz roots band Country Radio. Bassist on both shows was Dennis Pinhorn, who was also in the band at the Toronto Levon tribute show 10 days ago.

More significantly, he also got to play live with Garth Hudson a couple times, including the aforementioned Qull-Tolhurst gig. BEG mentioned that show here not long ago.


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Billy C. (Friend0

Garth was the essential member in Burrito Deluxe. Sneaky Pete was too, but as you all know, his health was declining. That second album, The Whole Enchilada, is a showcase for Garth's talent, sneaky's too.. it;s a fine album, but without Garth to tie it all together, it would havebeen just another record with some good playing on it. Rex Rob Lowenstein, The Letter, being the two standouts, but there is a lot of tasty playing on that record. the show i caught in Nashville was blistering...Garth had his reasons for leaving. by the time that record was done, Garth wasa exiting politely

i believe Brooklyn native Walter Egan has recently tradmearked some kind of Burrito name. and if I'm not mistaken, Hillman has a Burrito name trademarked too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: taking it to the limit

BEG: With hell already frozen over, I guess they can only aspire to Absolute Zero - which would call for the additional presence of Meisner AND Felder, I'd say.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Tuesday, February 26, 2013
EXCLUSIVE: Eagles Fans Angered by New Documentary on the Band

"As a musician, I certainly understand that no band is a true democracy. There often has to be a leader, or leaders, or things can and often do go astray. But that does not justify being a cruel tyrant. Nothing does. Meisner, who abruptly left the Eagles after the Hotel California album, was clearly affected by Frey and Henley's behavior. But Randy rarely talks about his former bandmates. In my conversations with him he's never said an unkind word about them, which I think speaks volumes about his character.

As the film chronicles, Meisner was having trouble hitting the high notes on Take it to the Limit, one of the band's biggest hits, during his final tour with the band. Instead of being understanding and supportive, Frey and Henley evidently berated and intimidated him, and ultimately Frey, who comes across in the film as even more of a heavy than Henley, apparently just went off on Meisner, who subsequently quit at the height of the Eagles' fame."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Here Comes The Sun

As it's officially May Day here, the link takes you to a YouTube "Flashmob" event in a Madrid Employment Office. Spain has record youth unemployment figures, so it's normally a place of hopelesness. I found the event touching and also heart-warming. Try it!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lighten up while you still can,
don't even try to understand,
Just find a place to make your stand and take it easy!

I wish all seven of The Eagles will be performing on July 11 at the ACC.
It appears Felder has not been asked to return. If that's true, it's Henley and Frey's loss as well as the fans. I'm still glad that I will finally see at least five of them (Leadon confirmed) so that I can take it easy one of these nights!!!!!

Long Live The Eagles!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

chris levan on February 4, 2013 at 1:33 am said:

Top 5 Rick Danko Vocal Performances
Posted on January 26, 2013 by Jonathan Waldrop n "Very good comments on rick.I knew all the guys when they played for ronnie hawkins.I worked with ronnie at the lecoqdor in toronto.we were all friend and dated rick for awhile. Have some wonderful memories.rick acutely copied all lot of his snging style from levons southern style.they put their heart and soul into their music.rick was a good guy very trusting and vulnerable with innocense."

Thank you Simon. I also saw Jeff Beck (as you know). He still exudes confidence but knows he doesn't have to prove anything.....but still......It was Robbie I wanted to see and experience. I just wish he'd play longer solos to show how no one plays like him. He may not be the warmest person to meet, but he wears his heart on his sleeve when he plays guitar. :-D

Hi Tenn....I really enjoyed when Los Lobos performed "Que Bonitos"....authentic roots music. The crowd really dug that one.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I like Side 6 of TLW too. They didn't need to "fill out" a side, as they were already cutting enough material for a couple of sides.


Entered at Mon May 6 12:25:31 CEST 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Band 1977 / side 6

In 1977 The Band were still a going concern - at least they were recording the studio tracks for The Last Waltz. It isn't really a well documented time. Rick and Levon were trying to start solo careers and Robbie was working on TLW. The Well and Out of the Blue don't have any thing to do with the film so I wonder why they were recorded. Was it just to fill up side 6 or were they meant to be part of another album. I really like side 6. It gives a taste of what a post TLW Band album might have sounded like. Maybe Robbie might cover this period in his book - eh Sebastian?


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Peter V

I don’t think we were ever suggesting there was ever an invitation or an actual possibility. The original idea was a mild fantasy of what other career paths they might have had, and I put Rick in the most successful one with the biggest band. That’s about it.

In 1977, Rick was starting on his own solo album and tour and full of optimism, as was Levon with the RCO All Stars.

Crazy Mama. I know Rick played it solo. It’s the counterpart of Caldonia for Levon. Both are very dull work throughs. If you want to cover J.J. Cale there are a couple of dozen songs I’d put before it … anything on “Really” or “Naturally”. He also handed over the bass to Levon on Crazy Mama. I was about six feet away from him at Cambridge and he looked like a man digging a ditch on the chain gang. Then when you got to It Makes No Difference, he soared. So why did he do it? Dunno. It's mildly hypnotic in its tedium. Maybe it got him warmed up, or relaxed.


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BWNWITenn

Don't forget that Garth became a member of the Flying Burrito Brothers, a/k/a Burrito Deluxe, about a decade ago. And Rick did the Ringo Starr tour in '89. Not sure where that fits in the critical band/tour distinction.

My view on the reason Rick wouldn't have joined the Eagles is that Henley and Frey wouldn't have seen him as professional and reliable enough to join an organization of that level following the massive success of Hotel California. Although they did think Joe Walsh was, so who knows.

And don't forget, in '77 The Band was, allegedly at least, intended to be an ongoing concern, just as a studio band, not performing. They'd just signed a deal with Warner Bros. So Rick may have viewed an offer to join another band in '77 as quitting The Band. And he was in the middle of his solo album, and just gave interviews in which he said that singing two or three songs on an album every few years wasn't enough to keep him satisfied. So it seems unlikely that he'd want to jump right back into the same situation, no matter how good the money was.


Entered at Mon May 6 02:45:30 CEST 2013 from (67.84.78.210)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Pat. afew posts down, you wrote this : "We already know that Rick would join an established band with a well known songbook--even though three of the five principals were not involved--when he did the Byrds reunion."

I responded that Rick did not join a bandd, but a tour, etc etc.

Your next post, you first post after the one i quoted above, began: "Rick joined a rather wheezy tribute band that had one singer from the original group". " Other than you contradicted yourself, i;m not sure what that is indicative of, but... you done did it. And again, i must point out, he did a tour, of bars, to help a friend out and have some fun.That was Rick. Far more apt to help out a friend and have some fun than he was to join a band he wouldn't have fun in.


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Billy C. (Friend0

Pat, clearly you need everyone to agree with you. It's in the way you have addressed each person that hasn't. Kevin, Jed, and I.

Me, i don't give a fuck if i'm agreed with or not.. But i will state my opinion.


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Billy C. (Friend0

Pat, clearly you need everyone to agree with you. It's in the way you have addressed each person that hasn't. Kevin, Jed, and I.

Me, i don't give a fuck if i'm agreed with or not.. But i will state my opinion.


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Pat B

What a marvelous piece of childishness you have invented, Jeff. What's next? Are you going to take your bat and ball and go home?


Entered at Sun May 5 23:53:18 CEST 2013 from (67.84.78.210)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Obviously, Pat, as always, you must be correct. So, then folks, it is decided. As Pat opines, Rick would have jumped at the chance to be in the Eagles. End of story.

This does however present a mystery.If as Peter says the time to ask Rick would have been when Meisner left,why did Henley and Frey not ask Rick? Surely, they must never have asked him, for as Pat inists, he'd have taken the offer. I dunno, maybe they figured he would turn the job down, maybe they figured he was too strong a personality for them, maybe they never dreamed of asking him.Maybe they thought he was a poor musical fit. All i know is, if Pat is sure rick would have taken the job, then they must never have asked him.

Peter- something of interest to you. Though you have often referred to the 80s /90s Band as always playing Crazy Mama and rick being bored with the song, i think almost every of the many dozen times i saw Rick solo and with other lineups, he played Crazy mama.Maybe not every, but almost every. If it was a full show, bet your bippee he played it. Without Levon being there. Whatever the reason, rick liked to play that song.


Entered at Sun May 5 22:46:36 CEST 2013 from (75.34.39.34)

Posted by:

Adam

I always thought Garth in a Grateful Dead setting would be fantastic! Think about their material, jams, wide open instrumentals. Garth could spread his wings like a psychedelic butterfly. It would be pretty amazing.

As Peter V pointed out, he has done Dead songs before. Dark Star is awesome. Garth has also played Beatles songs, most recently with Gent Treadly in 2012.


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Posted by:

Peter V

AND … as Joni Mitchell pointed out, when they failed to acknowledge her in a restaurant, Don Henley & Robbie were pals.


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Posted by:

Jed

Subject: A Funny Thought

Perhaps only funny to me. Garth with Pink Floyd.He can play,what my wife calls the low hum buzzing sound that defines every Floyd song.Oh! He played with Waters,although was it only accordion? I forgot.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Garth with Peter Gabriel would be wonderful.


Entered at Sun May 5 19:21:11 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Rick joined a rather wheezy tribute band that had one singer from the original group. Gene tried to put the original band together but got firm "no's" from the principals. Also, Crosby, McGuinn, and Hillman didn't like the name being used, and McGuinn went public with their "dismay." So Gene got Blondie, former Byrds bassist John York to cover the 12 string, and Rick Roberts from Firefall. Richard wasn't in the original lineup. He joined later.

Counter that with being asked to join a top flight organization that includes his budddy Joe Walsh and pretty easy going Don Felder, and a guy who thinks you helped make one of the greatest albums of all time, Glenn Frey. Then imagine RR writing for them.


Entered at Sun May 5 19:07:46 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It All Comes Back …

Hang on, wasn't the original point that Randy Meisner left The Eagles in late 1977, leaving them short of a bass player and singer?


Entered at Sun May 5 19:03:19 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rick did the "Deadheads Festival" with Merle Saunders in Japan in 1997. My notes on the Laser Disc:

Recorded April 8th 1997. Shibuya On Air West

I found this in the reduced price rack in the Virgin Megastore in Paris. It’s a pretty low profile release with Tom Constanten, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Merle Saunders and The Rainforest Band. It’s rather a bizarre tribute, in that Rick Danko simply does four old Band songs. They’re not even ones that Jerry Garcia covered, and I thought the point of these things was doing versions of the artist’s songs. In his interview sequence Danko says he met Garcia “Back in the sixties - 1965 I guess, when The Band and The Grateful Dead were cutting their teeth”. The date seems unlikely.

During The Weight he slips his guitar off during the first couple of lines and sings the rest of the song walking around the stage with the mic in his hand, looking uncannily like Ronnie Hawkins. Pity John Dawson is shaky on the words, but after singing backing on the chorus, he seems surprised to be invited to take a verse. There are four short solos, all well-taken on piano, both guitars and violin. In The Shape I’m In Rick seems to be having a lot of fun, dancing and even twirling. The largest back cover shot shows Dawson and Danko singing together, with Danko holding a mic and no guitar, but interestingly Dawson has a jacket on. He doesn’t during the filmed show. Of course, there’s less than two hours of a three and a half hour show on the disc.

Merl Saunders finishes the show, in which he thanks the others for supporting him, which looks like the way it was on the disc, though not on the cover. Nice T-shirt. Great set.

Too snobby to join The Eagles? Hardly. These are all competent musicians and singers with good songs.


Entered at Sun May 5 18:42:16 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

......so Rick joins but first consults with Gabriel (see a few posts down) and puts a Spell on Frey and Henley - convinces them to leave and replaces them with Robbie and Levon........Voila, we have some interesting people, songs and live performers incapable of putting audiences to sleep.........Frey and Henley turn up a decade later playing the casino circuit with Felder.


Entered at Sun May 5 18:32:30 CEST 2013 from (67.84.78.210)

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Billy C.(Friend0

Pat, Rick and RIchard joined Gene Clark's Byrd's tour. They did not join a band. And the reason for joining was storng- Gene was an old friend, Rick had once shared an apartment with him. Also, the calibre of music and musicianship was there. The other musicians being Blondie chaplin, Jon York, and Sneaky Pete, Rick Roberets beinbg in the opening act, the Burritos, and joining the Byrds on some #s. there is no comparison between that tour, and joinign the Eagles as a member. Rick, and Richard, also played frequently with gene in other configurations, just two or three of em, and also Blondie Chaplin came and went too. this happened frequently in Folk City.

I liked The eagles when i was a kid. Saw em several times, from the beginning, and again in 94. That time i went cause the woman i was dating loved em, she was Israeli, apparently they are huge over there too. I seriously doubt rick would even have given joining them a thought, he was not a lightweight musically, and also, was nto someone who ever would try to fit in to something or a group, as PEter stated he thought rick would have fit in nicely. Rick was the type that something either worked for or didn't, it either felt right ir did not. Noone can "know" what his reaction would be, but people exposed to him can intuit. Rick was a gentleman, but, nto someoen who would go for anything but comfortable existence. Being led around, by two control freaks, woul not have been on the table.

jed- just to clarify. the dangles was not meant as an insult. Dan from Danko, gles from Eagles. Like you, i felt rick would not give a insulting reason publicly, a funny one, yes, not a insutling one.


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Pat B

We already know that Rick would join an established band with a well known songbook--even though three of the five principals were not involved--when he did the Byrds reunion.


Entered at Sun May 5 15:10:31 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bassically

I agree on both Phil Lesh and Jerry Garcia. My take on San Francisco groups was that they initially had superb bass players (Phil Lesh, Jack Casady) but comparatively weak drummers, which made them distinctive, because the bass player was leading rather than following. It's why I love the first Hot Tuna album where they just dispensed with drums. The same really with The Byrds moving further south with Chris Hillman on bass.

And I do like The Dead. But when you listen to Sea To The North, in spite of the Dead references, it's Weather Report that shouts out.


Entered at Sun May 5 14:08:46 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

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Jed

Subject: Eagle Popularity Reason for Not Liking Their Music?

Peter,on this we differ a bit.My reason for not liking The Eagles is not their financial/commercial success.In fact,I'm pleased for them.Put simply,Eagles music doesn't stand the test of time beyond the easy listening pop that was an element of sound in their era.They will not be remembered for much musically whereas The Band,well,they will be recalled as Bach and Gershwin are.


Entered at Sun May 5 14:01:25 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Peter/Pat

Peter,I agree about most of the Dead not being up to the quality of playing with Garth.But,Phil Lesh,who is a classically trained musician and like Rick,one of the finest bass players,and Garcia would have certainly done very well with Garth.Pat,I have no clue if Rick would turn it down,but I'm not sure if he did if we'd know why given Rick's wonderful tendency to not trash other musicians,which to my knowledge was his way,stated by him or not.Would I have been disappointed if he did it? No,but I might have chuckled at the absurdity!


Entered at Sun May 5 08:39:53 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

BTW, I do understand how Jed feels. My reaction to Garth plus The Grateful Dead is much the same as his to Eagles plus Rick:i.e. Garth is WAY too good for the Grateful Dead. Where I'm wrong is that he is fond of doing Dead covers now … Scarlet Begonias, Dark Star.

If I did an Alternative Reality with Garth it would involve something along the lines of Weather Report.


Entered at Sun May 5 08:35:28 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Alternative histories

As a genre, you either have fun with alternative history or not. I can't be bothered to look up the previous context. So maybe it was after the Dylan tour? I think my point was only that Rick could sing anything, clearly got on very well with other musicians of talent (see Festival Express) and had a lot to say about blending voices. He was also fond of C&W (see what he's reading on Moondog Matinee cover), folk-rock (the Byrds Tribute tour).

In my Alternative History, I can see the Hell Freezes Over tour revisited with two of the highlights being Desperado, and then It Makes No Difference (given to The Eagles by Rick's old pal Robbie, who still writes songs in spite of being an acclaimed film director). I don't think Desperado and It Makes No Difference would clash stylistically. If you can plow through Crazy Mama nightly, you can certainly put up with playing the bass part in Take It Easy. And maybe The Eagles would actually have played This Wheel's On Fire and Small Town Talk, which the 90s Band avoided.

Basically reactions to such an alternative are reactions to The Eagles, whose greatest offence seems to be selling too many records, Not their fault.


Entered at Sun May 5 07:34:13 CEST 2013 from (67.87.217.186)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Jed, Pat, Rick, Don, and Glenn

Pat, methinks Rick would have turned down the gig without giving it much of a thought, if any. Since you are so inistent upon tying his theoretical turning down a slot in the Eagles to a reason and a quote from Rick, my guess is he'd have said something along the lines of" *I wanted to change the name to The Dangles and Don and Glenn didn't go for it*


Entered at Sun May 5 04:57:14 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jed, do you honestly believe Rick would have turned down a chance to be in the Eagles and cite "musical dignity" as a reason? Would you have been disappointed if he took the gig?


Entered at Sun May 5 01:22:16 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Rick/Garth-Fitting In

Both are talented enough to play in most any band,as they did with Roger Waters,Ringo and others.As for Garth in the Dead,it would be sensational.They played a wide range of musical styles and Garth would add something unique to their sound.As for Rick in the Eagles--it would be beneath his musical dignity.Again,it's all a matter of personal taste and musical and lyrical preferences!


Entered at Sun May 5 00:49:39 CEST 2013 from (67.87.217.186)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Well. i don't recall it as after ROA. I think it was as instead of there being a Band, assuming the guys all became musicians, where might they have landed. That was one scenario. I'm pretty sure you had presented Rick being an Eagle more than once. Another scenario was if The Band dissolved. I don't recall it being a humorous take, but then again, that doesn't mean it wasn't. I do recall The Dankettes not being happy about your theory, and general chaos as a result.


Entered at Sun May 5 00:27:28 CEST 2013 from (74.179.206.219)

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BWNWITenn

I always thought it'd be intriguing if Garth got the keyboard spot in the Grateful Dead, either in 1979 or 1990.


Entered at Sat May 4 22:41:01 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

From memory we were extrapolating "if The Band had dissolved after Rock of ages" (when they took a holiday). My (humorous) take had Rick joining The Eagles and ending up as far the wealthiest of the lot. I think he could have fitted in as a singer, bass guitarist and someone who wouldn't have been abrasive.


Entered at Sat May 4 22:37:23 CEST 2013 from (74.179.206.219)

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BWNWITenn

Web: My link

Hi, BEG. Glad you liked Los Lobos. Their recent albums haven't impressed me as much as their earlier work, but they're still great live.

Speaking of which, people should check out Vintage Trouble. Probably a bit more hard rock than some people here might enjoy, but fantastic performers. Remind me a bit of a young Springsteen, they really work for it onstage. Singer is a dead ringer for James Brown, Jackie Wilson, Otis Redding, etc. Could benefit from some slightly stronger songs, though.

Has anyone caught the short use of "The Weight" in the commercial for the new Tom Cruise movie "Oblivion"? See the link. It's such a short, instrumental use, I wonder whether they licensed it, or are considering it a sound-a-like. Sounds like the Band master, but it's hard to tell. Perhaps Sebastian knows. I'd guess that, based on the brief use, the studio would claim it's a different song composed for the trailer. I hear that more and more, and it really pisses me off - especially when it's coming from companies that exist by licensing their own copyrights. I think I've heard near-identical versions of Lenka's "The Game" in about five commercials - and have never heard the real song get used.


Entered at Sat May 4 21:35:18 CEST 2013 from (67.87.217.186)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Jed, this was quite some years back. But yep. Peter was quite persistent, and insistent arguing that Rick would have been a great fit in the Eagles.

An oft broken nose is often the sign of a hockey player, or someone who mouths off to the wrong person regularly, and don't know enough to just throw the first punch and make it count. get your nose broke once or twice, okay. a few times is just plain old dumb. OF course, if it helped his singing, it's fine.... You'd think guys who made aliving with their hands would knwo enough not to jeapordize em.. always amazes me when a musician or ballplayer fucks up his hand or finger throwing a punch, or using a saw, or some such thing.


Entered at Sat May 4 19:14:01 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, yeah, I'm sure Henley's five years in Texas establishments were a breeze.


Entered at Sat May 4 18:27:37 CEST 2013 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Blues Brothers

I'm just looking at this movie - take out the music and its pretty ordinary; likely one of the cocaine-driven films of that era. Humor really does have an expiration date - except for WC Fields, Marx Brothers and Laurel & Hardy, obviously.

Did this movie spell the end of the RCO All Stars? Anybody know what Levon thought about it; I sorta recall some negativity from his book, maybe?


Entered at Sat May 4 17:22:10 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Pat B: Oh, those tours with Linda Rondstadt in the early days must have been frightening.........it might be hard to imagine for for someone south of the border but trust me growing up in Six Nations Territory and Cabbagetown Toronto will put as much tough on you as any inner city in the US..........add all that to rock n roll circuit our boys were playing with Hawkins and any comparison to a bunch of nice guys who were dressing up like cowboys and putting people to sleep every night is laughable.


Entered at Sat May 4 14:27:40 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Eagles

The Eagles? Rick in The Eagels? A pleasant sounding pop outfit,some nice songs,some nice harmonies,some rugged Walsh guitar,but The eagles? Rick in The Eagles? Yikes! I saw them in the 70's.zzzzzzzzz.The Band is an outfit with great musical and cerebral depth.The Eagles are a band with some nice pop and easy listening sounds,and their music has never really stood the test of time.They will be a musical footnote in musical history,whereas The Band will be remembered as groundbreaking.


Entered at Sat May 4 14:07:56 CEST 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

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Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Follow That Dream - Oslo earlier this week

For any Bruce GBer's - managed to dig out a top quality video of him singing his wonderful overhaul of what used to be an ordinary skip to my lou Elvis rockabilly. Simply exquisite. Fingers crossed he includes it over here.

:-0)


Entered at Sat May 4 07:15:04 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

In 1962, Don Henley started playing in Texas social clubs, frat houses, and bars when he was 15 years old. A longhair in Texas during the 60's. He kept that up until Kenny Rogers invited his band to move to Cali to record. That's an adult portion.

Glenn Frey grew up in Detroit and hung hard with Bob Seger. That's him on the top harmony on Ramblin' Gamblin' Man. Seger produced an early single. His nose looks weird because its been broken a number of times. On guitar he backed up Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee, and Bo Diddley when they came through through town.

Both of these guys paid their dues big time. They had been at it individually nearly a decade before they saw any real success.

Richard, Garth, and RR wouldn't hurt a fly--well, RR would, as we all know.


Entered at Sat May 4 02:36:55 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.125)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Location: Brooklyn. Thank G-d
Web: My link

Subject: Just on sale, Richie Furay Band with Paul Cotton

Link is to a review of year old show of Richie's. This June 16th, Richie's band with an appearance by Paul cotton, is playing at the SOuth ORange Performing Arts Center in Jersey. A local Jersey mover and shaker,good guy, who also is a friend of Richie's put this together, and likely is the guy responsible for getting Cotton involved. Seems Cotton's appearance is a one off. Not to be repeated during what i imagine to be a tour by richie. This is the time of year he usually goes through the NorthEast


Entered at Sat May 4 01:39:10 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.125)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Desperadoes v. Quick Draw McGraw

I never saw Rick as fitting into The Eagles. Musically. Or in any way. At any time. In the pre Walsh era, or in the Walsh era. Sure, he was friends with Joe, but, in anoher band, such as Ringo's, yeah, band mates. In the Eagles, band mates, well, Henley and Frey wouldn't have known what the fuck hit em. I also doubt Henley or Frey coulda gone ten rounds with Levon....btw, going ten rounds can mean as little as hanging out for a day or a few.

Frey and Henley might think they are something... The guys in The Band- well, they were something. Didn't think about it. ........

and on another level: Henley, Frey, mighta played at being Desperadoes- Levon was the one who actually shot himself practicing quickdraw in the mirror.


Entered at Fri May 3 23:32:35 CEST 2013 from (70.31.48.79)

Posted by:

Kevin J

”sometimes there's ten of us by the end of the night, and half of the ten are related. Everyone is getting old…..staying home, going home earlier, died off, or moved away.’ – Jeff

Wow……..what a fine description of looking around and wondering where it all went…........and just as I was thinking of going out and seeing if I could get slapped in the face tonight! Oh well.


Entered at Fri May 3 23:15:52 CEST 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

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Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: Re: The Beautiful Old - Garth Hudson

A couple of nice sound clips here (link). Garth is all over these...


Entered at Fri May 3 22:41:45 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Fly like an Eagle

After he was fired from the band, Mr. Felder, a one-third shareholder at the time, sued Eagles Ltd., Henley & Frey. The case was settled in May 2007 for an undisclosed amount, but reportedly Mr. Felder received a considerable chunk of the nest egg, rumored to be in the eight figures. One has to wonder if Henley & Frey's motivation to continuing touring together with the group is in part to recoup the money they paid Felder.


Entered at Fri May 3 22:13:25 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

I believe I read somewhere recently that Felder's personal wealth is in the 10's of millions.

The Eagles' harmonies generally relied on Randy Meisner hitting that top part, which made Timothy B. Schmitt such an obvious replacement. They also share a similar bass guitar style. I don't think Rick would have fit in very well either vocally or playing wise, but Rick was probably pretty familiar personally with the Eagles considering they were neighbors in Cali in the mid-70's and no doubt frequented the same R&R haunts.


Entered at Fri May 3 22:11:35 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.125)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Linked: Kortchmar/ Pevar

The couple of Don Henley solo related references remind me that Danny Kortchmar was a heavy contributor to the three of Henley's solo recordings that were successful. Though he did not particpate in the fourth Henley solo recording , Kortchmar produced the first three, and also wrote or cowrote approximately half the songs on each. there is a good version of Danny Kortchmar and Jeff Pevar doing Dirty Laundry on you tube, just the two of em, with a tambourine track, linked above. Kootch and Pacino bear a strong resemblance, stronger in person even.

In the 3 months since I'm home, i haven't seen him play, but there's a small club i;ve seen Kortchmar play in a few times, in 2010 and 2011.He, Jonny Rosch, Shawn Pelton, and Neal Jason. Once with Dan Cipriano on sax. Badasses if there ever were.Probably 50 people crammed in for the first set, by the second set, down to 25 or 30 tops . REally some amazing shit. No cover charge either, if you can believe that. You just throw what you want in the tip bucket. Off the beaten path place, musicians hang,neighborhood joint that's an out in the open secret that somehow just doesn't get worn out. About amonth ago, i went to see Stuff, that's right, Stuff. The bandleader, Gordon Edwards, is 75 and still kickin ass, just for shorter periods of time. All new players (Tee, Dupree, Gale, being dead), but top guys, and when Edwards sits down, Roy Bennet the vocalist, plugs in, and is also an amazing bassist. Anyway, between sets I;m talking with the guitar player, Jeff Pevar walks in and over, stands next to us and smiles.Guitar players says Jeff, meet Jeff. Pevar was in town doing a trio thing with Ricky Lee jones and a cellist. Pevar played most of the last set. After a few songs ROy Bennet says, Allow me to introduce Jeff Pevar. I'm not familiar with his resume, but he is a badass motherfucker....Roy is always a character..Good singer too. Stuff is one badass band. unfortunately, these shows dontl pull enough people.First set, yeah, maybe 30 to 50,Second set, sometimes there's ten of us by the end of the night, and half of the ten are related. Everyone is getting old.Staying home, going home ealrier, died off, or moved away.


Entered at Fri May 3 22:04:49 CEST 2013 from (79.160.47.202)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

"The 10 best The Band songs"


Entered at Fri May 3 21:46:15 CEST 2013 from (76.68.51.108)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Don Felder Interview from Vintage Rock

In the following interview, Felder touches on the new record, the story behind its recording, touring plans and, of course, the Eagles. In conjunction with their 40th anniversary, there's the documentary History Of The Eagles, which premiered on Showtime in February (2013) and comes to DVD and Blu-ray at the end of April. The guitarist has mixed feelings about the film, but he maintains a sunny disposition about one thing: the music. Whether making it with the Eagles, with friends or on his own, it’s clearly the one thing that nourishes Don Felder's soul, mind and body.

Speaking of bands, I do want to ask you briefly about the Eagles. First of all, I think we can agree that when you joined them you essentially kicked them in the ass, and I’ve always wanted to thank you for that.

Well, you can say that — I can’t say that (laughs).

Well, I mean you really gave them a rock and roll edge that I think they were lacking and that’s when I really started to like the Eagles.

Oh, well fantastic. Thank you. That’s really flattering.

I don’t want to get any of the dirt because that’s all in your book and been widely publicized. I did know it’s come out that you thought the documentary History Of The Eagles was a bit, uh, how should we say…skewed.

It was a delight to watch a lot of the old footage and all of the old looks from the ’70s, with the long hair and ripped jeans and T-shirts and all that sort of stuff. But we were just five guys who would walk on stage and play and sing. We didn’t have any fireworks, we didn’t have any costumes, we didn’t have choreography. The whole point of being on stage was playing and singing songs.

It was a great reminder of how difficult it was to be in a band with five AAA-type personalities and reminded me a lot of the struggle and power conflicts we had over lyrics, what music was going to be on the record, when to tour, when not to tour… of those kind of control issues. I did feel extremely proud of the music that we were able to write and record together. I don’t think any of us individually has come close to matching the caliber of what we were able to accomplish together musically. And I felt like that was a really great time and also a very difficult time in my life. Seeing that reminded me of both the good and the bad, or the heaven and hell that’s in my book, of being in that situation.

I thought it was somewhat lopsided in that it really featured Don and Glenn. They were the only two that had any history of their childhood, where they came from. They kind of overlooked Bernie’s (Leadon) history, Randy’s (Meisner) history, my history. And they somewhat minimized the contribution of all the other people who had worked so hard for so many years that had made the band what it was — including Bill Szymczyk, our engineer and producer, who was responsible for a lot of the sound and the tone and the arrangements, helping (to) assemble the tracks and guiding us through making those records. All the contributions that Bernie made in his early years, of all the B-string Fender and all that country influence was really downplayed and minimized. Randy’s contribution, vocal contribution, bass playing, “Take It To The Limit,” all that stuff was just, you know, played down. So I just felt it was obviously produced and paid for by Don (Henley) and Glenn (Frey) and it really was the history of Don and Glenn, is what it was (laughs).

There’s no denying that one, and perhaps the greatest thing that came out of your time with the band was a song called “Hotel California.” I saw one interview where you said you were just sitting in a beach house with a guitar and you just started playing the chords. Was it really that simple? Or was there more to it?

No, that was pretty much it. I had a little Teac four-track in my bedroom and I went back and recorded about four or five times through that progression so I wouldn’t forget it, and then went back later and wrote the bass part, wrote the other guitar parts to it, including the dueling guitars on the ending, and just wrote a chorus section … just actually finished the track.

As a matter of fact, I have the original track I found on cassette about a year ago and transferred it to digital before the cassette evaporated. It’s remarkably identical to what the record turned out being, to the point where Joe (Walsh) and I, which I always envisioned, got down to do the original ending guitar parts. I thought Joe would sit in the control room and plug in an amp and I would sit in the control room next to him, and I’d rip a lick and he’d play something and I’d play something, and we’d just kind of go toe to toe like we had done so many times.

That’s what we were doing until Don Henley came in and said, “Stop, that’s not right.” I said, “What do you mean, that’s not right?” He said, “That’s not like the demo.” And he had been listening to this cassette demo for like a year of my old demo guitar parts where I played something I would play, and I’d put that guitar down and play the Strat, something like Joe would play, and then I’d pick mine back up, and I’d assemble this kind of part on the end, this dueling guitar part. And so he made me call my housekeeper in LA — we were in Miami — and she found the original cassette, put it in a blaster, played it, and we recorded it in the studio in Miami. I had to sit down and learn verbatim what I’d just made up off the cuff so it was identical to the demo. Some of the stuff that I’d written out for Joe was incorporated into his solos on the end as well. So, you know, all of that was omitted from the documentary. It made it sound like I’d given them an introduction and they wrote the rest of the song, which was not really the truth.

It’s obviously, I believe, the biggest song they’ve ever had. I mean, could you imagine that it was going to be this big, with the album and everything and that you were going to win all of these awards? It’s the Eagles’ crowning achievement. Did you see that when you did it at the time?

INot really. Not until the record came out. I remember when we had a playback party for the record company and the studio. They had been banging on the door for months wanting the record to put it out because we were coming off One Of These Nights, which was fairly successful and they wanted to get the next record out in the market. So finally we had a playback party for them and after the song “Hotel California” played, Henley turned around and said, “That’s going to be our single.” And I don’t know if you recall, but in the ’70s, AM radio, which was where we were trying to go, played two or three formats. They played a rock track, a dance track or a drippy ballad. It had to be three minutes and 30 seconds long, the intro had to be less than 30 seconds before the singer started singing so that the disc jockey didn’t have to sit there and talk for too long before the music began. “Hotel California” was the absolute wrong format. It was six and a half minutes long, the introduction was a one-minute introduction musically before Don started singing, you couldn’t really dance to it, it stopped in the middle — the drum stopped — and it had this two-minute guitar solo on the end. I said, “Don, I think that’s the wrong format for AM radio. FM, OK, great, but AM I think that’s the wrong format.” So we got in a little bit of a polite disagreement about it, and I’ve never been so delighted to have been so wrong in my life.

I’m sure you’ve heard the Gypsy Kings version of “Hotel California.” I think it worked really well in The Big Lebowski.

I love the Gypsy Kings, to tell you the truth. I get calls from people, they’ll be in the Philippines, at some bar, and the band that’s playing in this bar in the Philippines all of a sudden will break in and play “Hotel California.” I did a show for the United Nations last fall, I think it was October, September/October, there was a room and it had about 450 presidents and heads of state from all over the world at this awards banquet. When I started playing “Hotel California,” I got a standing ovation from the people that were there. I would say less than half of them spoke English from different countries all over the world, so would have ever suspected that it would have that sort of global impact. It’s just an honor to have been a part of something that reached so many people.

All the BS aside, do you miss making music with the Eagles?

Sure, I thought the music was a lot of fun. I know exactly how those guys play, I know the keys they sing in, I really enjoyed playing with Joe, we had a ball doing it. It felt like a comfortable family room when we were on stage most of the time. You just know the material, you know how everybody plays, and you just enjoy it. I do miss playing with those guys; I don’t miss the drama and the tension and the arguing and the control issues. That to me just kind of throws a damper on the really fun part of it. You know, the word’s “play” music; you don’t say, “Oh, I’ve got to go ‘work’ music; you know, I’m going to go ‘play’ music.” It reminds me of the childish enthusiasm that young children have when they’re at play. They’re having a ball, they’re running around they’re laughing, giggling. It should be a really joyous experience. Even if you’re playing a really kind of somber piece of music, there’s a great deal of real bittersweet joy in being able to do that. To me, all the human personalities that were involved in that band killed a lot of the joy, to tell you the truth. The off chance you guys are able to make peace, would you be willing to play with them again if the opportunity arose? I would. I would have to have a series of meetings and discussions prior to actually playing music with those guys, to sort out some of the personal conflicts and problems we’ve had in the past. And I enjoy playing that music. But honestly, that’s nothing that I foresee happening in the near or even distant future until those guys reach a certain place where they’re willing to reach out to me. At that point, who knows what will happen, if ever.


Entered at Fri May 3 21:44:47 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

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Bill M

Subject: appearing this week ...

If the Eagles had been a typical mid-'60s band with crap management, Henley and Frey would now be on the casino circuit, likely a mash-up of members of a couple groups of the era - maybe Frankie Valli and the Four Eagles. Imagine them tearing the place down every night with "Oh What A Night", with Don drumming and sharing lead vocals.


Entered at Fri May 3 21:18:40 CEST 2013 from (70.31.48.79)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK: Don Felder on the writing of Hotel California……….Remember when Gerry Rafferty died a few years ago and it was reported that he was still pulling about $120,000 a year just on Baker Street………Makes you wonder what Felder would be making just on the strength of HC……..well deserved anyway.

Bill M: The Randy Newman which I purchased at your suggestion before Christmas is most definitely a keeper……..too much “shuffle” for me lately as I must get back to playing some things full out…………about the only thing I have been playing full trough recently is the Jason Isbell Live……….. Shuffle weirdness…… “You Can Leave Your Hat On” seems to the only Randy Newman that gets through the shuffle brain on my Ipad…….must be “pledge month” at Jazz FM in Toronto as Steely Dan and Elvis Costello are being played all the bloody time.….the beret boys in listener land must be all blowing their fuses!!!!!!

Jeff: Yikes...imagine Rick in The Eagles.......a good looking frontman and one who actually moved on stage....no more sleeping at those concerts!......Nah......the corporation of Henley/Frey would never have gone for it.


Entered at Fri May 3 20:52:22 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.125)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: JQ, Eagles.

JQ.Your obvious abhorrence for The Eagles reminded me of past Eagles related discussions that i believe occurred before your tenure here began. Like Feud dsicussions have become tamer, this Eagles related discussion is far less volatile than past Eagles related dicussion. In past discussions, that did not necessarily begin as mainly Eagles related, i think it was Peter who presented the opinion that Rick Danko would have flourished as an Eagle. I THINK the dicussion started from the view of where The Guys may have been if there was no BAnd, or what bands they might have joined after TLW. Anyway, you can imagine the response to that opinion.


Entered at Fri May 3 19:42:49 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Saw an Eagles exclusive CD at a Walmart store...

Don Henley's solo hit "Boys of Summer" came about in almost the same way as "Hotel California." It began as an instumental demo tape that Tom Campbell, lead guitarist for Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers had recorded. It didn't fit in with what Mr. Petty was working on at the time ("Southern Accents"), but after producer Jimmy Iovine got Mr. Campbell to submit some demos to Don Henley, who chose to use it. After adding lyrics, Mr. Henley changed the key, but insisted that Mr. Campbell play it just as the original demo, just as he had done with Don Felder's demo used for "Hotel California."


Entered at Fri May 3 17:50:07 CEST 2013 from (166.147.88.47)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 40 years of practice

PV - I agree with you that all this practice can lead to more technically accomplished playing and singing. I think Richard Thompson (playing) and Nick Lowe (singing) are good examples of that. But, songwriting is a different matter - there seems to be a creative period, normally more early on, when songwriters are productive and produce their best stuff.

With the Eagles I think their 40 years of practice will serve them well, soon enough, when they start with the 3-song medleys boring bands resort to later on -


Entered at Fri May 3 16:42:20 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Plum Loco

GregD: Thanks for the link. There's a decent chance I'll get there. The first I heard of Plum Loco was in the summer of '76 when keyboardist CJ Feeny told me the group, which he had just left and which then consisted of longtime Hawkins chum Brian Pawley on vocals, former Revol, former Great Speckled Birder Ken Kalmusky on bass, Gary Oatridge on drums and John Till on guitar. Ronnie Hawkins must've hired the whole band to be his Hawks shortly after, though by the next summer, when I saw them with Levon and Jerry Penfound, Till had been replaced by Jack deKeyzer and Pawley by Richard 'King Biscuit Boy' Newell. And that band, without Hawkins but with Stan Szelest on piano, did the Little Chicken Hawks album.


Entered at Fri May 3 16:13:07 CEST 2013 from (99.255.116.43)

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GregD

Web: My link

The recent discussion of Bearfoot and others has reminded me of the upcoming concert on May 11 at the Aeolian Hall in London, Ontario with Plum Loco featuring guitarist John Till, ex- Janis Joplin, Rockin' Revol/Manuel associate, with special guest Terry Danko. Should be a good show. Hopefully the above link works.


Entered at Fri May 3 15:36:01 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the veggie-burger theme song?

BEG: Another Violet Femmes song, with a nip and a tuck, would do nicely: "I held it it my hands but it wasn't real".

Lars: I keep forgetting to say that your apology was totally unnecessary; I'd detected the wink.

Kevin J: Listened to Randy Newman's "Sail Away" album for the first time in a long time. "God's Song" is so damned powerful at night, cranked up so the bass notes are the voice of the unknowable. I trust that you haven't already ditched your copy.


Entered at Fri May 3 15:18:07 CEST 2013 from (76.68.51.108)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lawsuit and disbanding (2007-2009)

In 2007, Gano angered Ritchie by selling advertising rights for the classic "Blister in the Sun" to Wendy's.

Although nearly all of the band's songs, including "Blister in the Sun," credit Gano as the sole songwriter, Ritchie responded to the use of the song in the commercial by saying: "For the fans who rightfully are complaining about the Wendy's burger advertisement featuring "Blister in the Sun," Gordon Gano is the publisher of the song and Warners is the record company. When they agree to use it there's nothing the rest of the band can do about it, because we don't own the song or the recording. That's showbiz. Therefore when you see dubious or in this case disgusting uses of our music you can thank the greed, insensitivity and poor taste of Gordon Gano, it is his karma that he lost his songwriting ability many years ago, probably due to his own lack of self-respect as his willingness to prostitute our songs demonstrates. Neither Gordon (vegetarian) nor me (gourmet) eat garbage like Wendy's burgers. I can't endorse them because I disagree with corporate food on culinary, political, health, economic and environmental grounds. However, I see my life's work trivialized at the hands of my business partner over and over again, although I have raised my objections numerous times. As disgusted as you are I am more so."[6]

Ritchie filed a lawsuit against Gano in August 2007, seeking half ownership of Violent Femmes' music and access to royalty accounting. Many speculated this would lead to the band's breakup. However, on June 17, 2008 the band released a cover of "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley who had previously covered "Gone Daddy Gone". The final shows the Violent Femmes played live were two shows in The Wolf Den, at Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, CT, on October 12 and 13, 2007.

The band disbanded in 2009 as a result of Ritchie's lawsuit against Gano.[7] [edit]

Reunion (2013-present) In January 2013, it was announced that the band would be reuniting and would perform at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival that April.[7][8] The group revealed on its tour schedule that it will headline the Marcus Amphitheater on the opening night of Summerfest, Wednesday, June 26. [7][9]


Entered at Fri May 3 15:05:24 CEST 2013 from (76.68.51.108)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Has anyone ever listened to a song on the radio and thought they knew who was singing and discovered they were wrong? One very, very, very late night I was listening to a song and thought.....Oh, it's Louuuuu......only to find out.....no it's not Louuuu but someone who was influenced by him.

Nomadic Mike...One of my friends lives in the Manulife Centre so we had a meal once at the Bloor Street Diner. The food was good, but pricey. Maybe I'll run into you while in disguise as brown eyed girl.

Some bands don't see themselves as opening acts. When I saw the Levon Helm Band at Massey Hall, John Hiatt specifically stated that his band was sharing the bill.

Bill M...We only arrived at the SARS concert when the Guess Who were performing. I didn't like the voice of AC/DC but......The guitarist in his private school uniform had soooooo much energy......He was so much fun to watch and enjoy. The Rolling Stones that night weren't memorable.....and....were a let down after AC/DC's energetic performance. I always liked "Highway To Hell".


Entered at Fri May 3 10:57:33 CEST 2013 from (139.228.13.103)

Posted by:

NonCW

Web: My link

nice site and great band.. really love you


Entered at Fri May 3 09:00:13 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Eagles should have improved with 41 years practice.

Actually, it's a general comment. Anyone who's survived in the music business that long will tend to have ironed out the rough spots and get better. I saw Amen Corner early on in their career and they were atrocious. But Andy Fairweather-Lowe is now a highly rated musician, singer and guitarist.


Entered at Fri May 3 08:00:17 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.227)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Amy Helm and her band knocked out the crowd at City Winery tonight. Excellent band, Amy was wonderful. The entre performance was first class. Her band smokes, and Amy is nothing but music. They changed It Makes No Difference a Little, a few ways, but...just before the first And the Sun Don't Sshine Anymnore, i was had eyefulls of tears. Connor Kennedy opened, best young band i';ve seen in ages, original material, anyone can see him, it;s a good idea. He's one very talented young man.


Entered at Fri May 3 00:29:02 CEST 2013 from (184.66.101.38)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Saltspring Island

Subject: JT and BVSU

Hey JT. You might want to throw in these names also. Harry Manx, Bill Henderson, Alison Crow, Jordy Sharp, Sweetwater, Brent Shindell, Gary Preston, Kate Rolland, Dave Rolland and many more. And I've seen most of them on the same stage together including Valdy and Randy. When I moved here 18 years ago the talent just blew me away. Main reason I took up drums. Cheers, Carl


Entered at Fri May 3 00:07:11 CEST 2013 from (63.142.158.9)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Anti protest - I think? And The Eagles

America The Ugly by Tom T Hall.

I saw the talk about the Eagles here last week and wanted to throw in that I attended theirs and the Procol Harum show at the Santa Monica Civic in 1972. We went for PH and left fully unimpressed with the Eagles. I had been listening to a lot of country and bluegrass then and recall thinking how lousy the Eagles were in comparison, especially in regard to the solo and harmony singing; B Leadon being the exception that night. My low opinion of that group remains the same through today.


Entered at Thu May 2 21:59:37 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I had to download the Johnny Cash … love it! I don't even know it, and think that was the first time I heard it.


Entered at Thu May 2 21:45:51 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Anti-protest

I didn't have the Rascals or Johnny Cash, nor Won't Get Fooled Again. Many thanks. Will improve my playlist.

The link goes to "Life's A Trippy Thing." YouTube says it's by Frank, but it's on "Nancy in London" and credited to her on that LP. Listen to the lyrics.


Entered at Thu May 2 21:33:44 CEST 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Saltspring band?

It occurred to me, Bonk, and anyone else who cares, that there may be enough excellent musicians on Saltspring to form 'BVSU' - Bachman-Valdy Saltspring Underdrive. The contract and legal logistics might be tough, however. What thinkest thou?


Entered at Thu May 2 21:27:47 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bonk

His dentist was actually in Vancouver.


Entered at Thu May 2 19:56:28 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: I'll Change Your Flat Tire, Merle...

And then there's the answer song to "Okie from Muscogee", "I Change Your Flat Tire, Merle," written by Nick Gravenites. Mr. Gravenites, the former Electric Flag vocalist who wrote "Born In Chicago" (recorded by the Paul Butterfield Blues Band), joined Big Brother & the Holding Co. after Janis Joplin's departure. Big Brother recorded it on their 1970 album "Be A Brother." It was later covered by Pure Prairie League on "Two Lane Highway" in 1975. I've included a link to their version because it features some great pedal steel.


Entered at Thu May 2 19:42:26 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: SaltSpring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: JT and John D

John. Valdy was pulling your leg. There are many Dentists here including specialists. He was just following what all Salt Springers do. Discourage anyone who thinks of moving here by painting a less than flattering picture of Island life. I think he even helped write a song about it. It's called 'Don't come here"


Entered at Thu May 2 19:26:44 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Just play your banjo well (Pete)...

Another anti-protest classic would be "Cowboy" Jack Clement's tongue-in-cheek "The One on the Right Is on the Left", a hit for Johnny Cash.

"Now this should be a lesson if you plan to start a folk group
Don't go mixin' politics with the folk songs of our land
Just work on harmony and diction
Play your banjo well
And if you have political convictions, keep them to yourself"


Entered at Thu May 2 18:05:04 CEST 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Gotta refrain from this indulgence and get back to it. Simply gotta :-0)

but in the meantime just strayed by mistake onto the Seeger Sessions stuff.

Boy - I'd forgotten how knockout that tour was. Open all Night. Sheez.


Entered at Thu May 2 17:54:43 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Beatles--Revolution; Who--Won't Get Fooled Again; Rascals--Right On; Barry Sandler--Ballad of the Green Beret.


Entered at Thu May 2 17:29:56 CEST 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Dentist

John D: This is fundamentally what has to be done if you require a dentist in Vancouver (city). However, maybe (I'm not sure) there is a dentist on Saltspring. There is a hospital there and many docs. Not sure about dentists. And maybe not specialty dentists or oral surgeons. That could be researched if needed. Be well, John. As for Valdy, he should continue to thrive and get the best care possible no matter where in BC.


Entered at Thu May 2 17:17:33 CEST 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: To whom it may concern

Scived off an hour ago to find the latest You Tube of Bruce performing the beautiful Follow That Dream in Oslo on Monday night. It never let me down.

I proceeded to follow a few links and lo and behold [band link :-0)] I was suddenly knee deep in hundreds of amazing Bruce outtakes very few of which I'd even heard of let alone heard. The linked track but one of a warren of gems.

So for Bob F or any of the other Bruce GB'ers - fill yer boots. Some unfeasible testimony to the man's greatness. Some artists would sell their...nah won't go there. Back to work.


Entered at Thu May 2 17:00:11 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK: For guitar nuts only……but quite an conversation with Jimmy Vivino…….his love for music and guitar is so refreshing……….inspiring actually…..and thanks Dexy for that other interview with him about the Band.


Entered at Thu May 2 17:00:14 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The singer dost protest too much, methinks...

Here's the more obscure "The World Is Just A B-Movie" from Bob Lind.

"I'm a poor starving artist, I ain't got a dime
Society kicks me around all the time
I'm misused and mistreated and misunderstood
At the end of the story I'm bound to make good."


Entered at Thu May 2 14:14:08 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Valdy/Ferries and might need help from JT on this one

OK. It's 2003 and I'm on my first ferry ride to Victoria. Never been there before. I'm standing on the dock; waiting to board the ferry; with my car and who is standing there; but Valdy. I called over to him. "Valdy!" "Yes", he said. "It's John Donabie." Over he comes and gives me a big hug and we begin to talk. This is where JT might need to correct me; but I think I have it straight.

He begins to tell me what you have to go through if you live on Salt Spring and have to go to the dentist in Vancouver. Here's the way, I believe, he explained it.

"Well John. I have to take the small ferry to Victoria first. Then I board the big ferry and take it to Vancouver. Go see the dentist. Then it's take the big ferry all the way back to Victoria. There I hop a small ferry and return to Salt Spring. John, going to the dentist; when you live on Salt Spring is an all day affair." He then laughed and we talked some more. I hope I got all the facts straight. I hadn't talked to him in years and it's like I just saw him yesterday. He is a very kind man.


Entered at Thu May 2 13:53:27 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.85)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Valli puns are ...

So low.


Entered at Thu May 2 12:36:49 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, in association with Don Indeevalli.


Entered at Thu May 2 12:09:39 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: You mean Tony Soprano was really Don Correctione?


Entered at Thu May 2 10:46:05 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dawn of Correction

Thanks, Pat. A couple of years ago I mentioned I was assembling a Playlist of "anti-protest" songs and asked for suggestions here, and Dawn of Correction was suggested and became the centerpiece. My inspiration was "Beggars' Parade" by The Four Seasons, another vituperative anti-protest ditty (but an exceptionally good record). Life's A Trippy Thing by Nancy Sinatra (with Frank) is an astonishingly hypocritical diatribe. There is a kind of "Tony Soprano" connection between all three.

It got hard because you have to separate irony … Okie from Muskogee was, I think, intended ironically, but was taken at face value. I had If The South Woulda Won by Hank Williams III on there too, and I think that is face value, but it is deliberately humorous, and is so over the top I'm not 100% sure.

Others suggested here: Kicks by Paul Revere & The Raiders. The Beat Generation by Louis Armstrong.


Entered at Thu May 2 05:00:35 CEST 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Chris Kelly dead at 34...

Good posts and links, guys.

My link to another "died too young", Chris Kelly of Kriss Kross. RIP, dear Chris. Sorry to hear about your passing. Haven't read it as yet, but so young...

CYA soon xoxoxoxo


Entered at Thu May 2 03:13:41 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: VALDY

JT. He plays here all the time whenever he's around. He's probably the most loved person here on the Island. No gig is too small or too big and if it's for a worthy cause or sick child, he's your man. He's been playing some bass guitar lately. Kevin J. I'll tell him and he'll probably love that one. Better yet, tell him yourself. He's on Facebook. Cheers, Carl


Entered at Thu May 2 01:40:56 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.127)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

JT, the use of plastic is still on the rise. And it is more and more toxic all the time... Smell most plastic bags, if someone is at all chemically senstive, one good whiff of the toxicity that the smell is just a symptom of, will knock you on your ass... at least a 4 count.....



Entered at Thu May 2 01:38:07 CEST 2013 from (24.124.96.66)

Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Vivino interview

Interesting new interview with Jimmy Vivino about Levon, The Band and others at the link above.


Entered at Thu May 2 00:07:28 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

And, of course, The Dawn of Correction. Amazingly, two of these guys wrote the great "1-2-3" for Len Barry which had Bobby Gregg on the drums.


Entered at Wed May 1 23:59:00 CEST 2013 from (65.94.113.18)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Man

And then all we have to worry about is man's inhumanity against man. Oh, I forgot. We don't worry much about that. Witness to world events past, present and undoubtedly future. Man's inhumanity against man will continue and thrive. This is about music. Our favourites sing about this all the time. (With God on Our Side, Eve of Destruction, and the list goes on). Enough pessimism and all because of a phone book.


Entered at Wed May 1 23:47:56 CEST 2013 from (65.94.113.18)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Phone books (white and yellow)

They still exist but as you rightly suggest, they are going the way of the dodo bird. Makes me think about the pulp and paper industry and the success of trees. We were once worried. But if book printing continues to decline along with the plastic for CDs, who knows what is possible. Next we might stop worrying about global warming. Wouldn't that be something.


Entered at Wed May 1 23:05:44 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Good God Bill……only a man who walked away from AC/DC could imagine that there would be any drama in just looking someone up in a phone book……..by the way, I am not sure the local phone book is my friend as I have not seen one in over a decade…..do they still exist? Anyway, picture the scene “Hello Garfield…is that you? Uhhh……whatever happened to you?......I see…..ahhh, well just wanted to say that Landmark is partial to “Old Time Movies” whereas I kinda liked “Give My Love To Anne” better…………..CLICK.


Entered at Wed May 1 22:35:07 CEST 2013 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Funny how "Garden Party" and "Rock & Roll Song" have both come up, independent of one another. The similarities of their stories. I am not certain but they did come out around the same time. Two great songs about being booed of a stage.


Entered at Wed May 1 22:21:08 CEST 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: RS

Bill: I agree with you on just about everything. But I have to contend that I would not have wished to have missed the Rolling Stones at SARS Downsview, had I had the chance. (I was away as I often am, in Lotusland north). They still do it and do it well, the pomp and circumstance notwithstanding. They can even be a good bar band if they put their minds to it. I would give a lot to see them in one of those 400 person venues (without the pushing and craziness) even now. As for the big big 'shew' (as Ed used to say so eloquently) , I'm not interested but not because they are not very good... only because I hate the big big 'shew' and everything that goes with it. Only Leonard can make an arena feel small and intimate.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:51:51 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: A few years ago we left the SARS-fest during AC/DC so we could get the subway down to Bloor and out to the west end to catch Valdy at Hugh's Room - seriously dehydrated after a day in 95-degree heat - and they let us in cheap in recognition of our efforts. Missing the Rolling Stones was another plus.

Kevin J: The local phonebook is your friend.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:49:04 CEST 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Thinking about Ricky Nelson

There have been countless musicians who died before their time and whose full potential was not realized. Ricky Nelson was one of them. I agree about the Troubadour performance. It is superb. It showed where he was going and the possibilities were limitless. He had the creativity in mind to take his music to another level. Alas!


Entered at Wed May 1 21:48:46 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Simon: Great to see you back and thanks for the JB clip……I love the guy……eyes off the bass player now!


Entered at Wed May 1 21:31:18 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: LINK to Valdy song....

Bonk: Please tell your neighbour that his old ES 175 is alive and well and still being played in Toronto......and thanks Landmark for that memory.

Searching For Sugar Man: Just saw it last night - loved it........reminded me of my search for Garfield French.....Wondering if John D knows what happenned to him? Bill M does not which means he might be as hidden as Rodriguez was.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:08:27 CEST 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Valdy

Paul Valdemar Horsdal: He is in the JT Canadian Music Hall of Fame - Always liked what he did and that is a really good song. Also a musician who received the Order of Canada 2011 (no mean feat for a musician). Born in 1945, does he still perform on Saltspring?


Entered at Wed May 1 21:07:57 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Simon, wow. Beck covering Mahavishnu. Which reminds me of the show with Aerosmith opening for the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Posers vs. monsters.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:03:52 CEST 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Opening acts

The most memorable opening act I've seen was: Opening for The Who was Albert King and Chuck Berry at Fillmore East 2nd show.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:02:57 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Wasn't Barney Kessel Ricky Nelson's first guitarist? Produced and wrote for him too.


Entered at Wed May 1 21:02:01 CEST 2013 from (86.173.122.177)

Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: ROA and miscellaneous

Re. the proposed deluxe ROA set - Bumbles often used to note that "But I Do" by Bobby Charles was under consideration for inclusion and rehearsed/possibly recorded. As BC was involved in a dispute with publishers at the time he requested it not be included. That was the gist of it if I remember correctly.

I hope this doesn't mean that the Royal Albert Hall 1971 is postponed indefinitely or worse. Let's hope not.

Note to Al: thanks for the mention Al ... would've responded sooner but nauticals/emeralds/Chalfonts have been playing up quite a bit, if you catch my drift, and sitting in front of a computer (or even just sitting) has been grueling. If you still don't know what I'm on about think of a certain song associated with Johnny Cash. Hope things go well for you and yours.

Glad that Brown Eyed Girl got to see Robbie and the Rascals.

Kevin - You are dead on about Stairway to Heaven and the supposed lifting from "Taurus". Page's intro line (all that's 'disputed') has added counterpoint in it whereas the Spirit track doesn't, and it takes up about four seconds of an eight minute song. Furthermore A minor with a descending bass part is as old as the hills, just one of those guitar 'things' that are there to be used. Anyone claiming STH is a "total rip off" simply can't have played any guitar or is probably a bit dim and has an axe to grind. (Not that there aren't a few genuine cases for Page to answer to, just Stairway ain't one of them.)

Finally here's a nice clip of Jeff Beck from Crossroads 2013 (link). Not often that you see him in sleeves. This tune just got under my skin. An Olympic White Stratocaster through a Marshall - Rob the Organ's nightmare guitar/amp combination!


Entered at Wed May 1 20:39:07 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island.

Subject: Landmark

My good neighbor Valdy.


Entered at Wed May 1 20:21:03 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Two Joes

Before James Burton took over the lead guitar role with Ricky Nelson, Joe Maphis played lead on some of his early Imperial recordings. Joe Walsh has cited Mr. Maphis as one of his guitar heroes. Listen to the riff Mr. Maphis played on Mr. Nelson's "Waitin' In School" at around the 42 sec. mark (link). Now listen to the riff Mr. Walsh played on "All Night Long", his hit single from the Urban Cowboy soundtrack.


Entered at Wed May 1 20:18:35 CEST 2013 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

While taking a walk on a lovely day at noon, my favourite lyric came up on my Ipod. A lyric, which my fellow Canuckistanis, of a certain vintage, will remember with fondness: "Some track star yelled thank god he's leaving!"


Entered at Wed May 1 19:54:38 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

I don't know that the Eagles tried all that hard to keep everything in house. They co-wrote with JD Souther and covered Jackson Browne, Jack Tempchin, and Tom Waits. They didn't seem to mind crediting other writers.

Page, on the other hand, was asked about the words to Whole Lotta Love and he mischievously said to ask Robert as he sang them.


Entered at Wed May 1 19:36:01 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Tribute Rolex's

Agree on Ian Anderson and it is a great song….one that amazingly really, I have never tired of………………much borrowing as we all know and in rock n roll……….sometimes like some of the Led Zep it is disturbing and then in other cases like “Stairway to Heaven” that Page put together with great imagination and talent it is ludicrous to deny the achievement.......the lyrics really take HC to the special level……..favorite Henley though remains from his solo years “Saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac” which captured perfectly what was happening in the 80’s.


Entered at Wed May 1 19:17:35 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Ian Anderson comes off very level-headed and pleasant in that interview on Hotel California, and says "It's a very fine song." I thought there was some subtle phrasing early on when he was talking about how J.Tull never mixed with The Eagles. He says: "We thought they were all … countrified." I almost expect him to take a breath in the middle of "countrified" but he didn't.


Entered at Wed May 1 19:13:50 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

…and for the record, Keith Richards was not on the same cocktail circuit as Sir Mick when kd’s “Constant Craving” got stuck in mj's head…..still he had to share points of 'Anybody Seen My Baby" with the lovely kd for that bit of borrowing………..


Entered at Wed May 1 19:11:34 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Garden Party

I always find it fascinating, and it has an air of American Pie in the referencing, which is more overt than American Pie. What interests me, is you feel every sympathy with him in front of a crowd wanting "Ricky" Nelson rather than "Rick." He did the same sort of thing in 1962 with "Teenage Idol" which I bought new.

I travel around

from town to lonely town

I guess I'll always be

Just a rolling stone

If I find fortune and fame

And lots of people know my name

That won't mean a thing if I'm all alone.

But he's also probably wrong in Garden Party, sadly. If you feel that strongly about not doing your old stuff you change your name … as Shane Fentone became Alvin Stardust for his second career.

But, in the end, he did have to sing Mary Lou every night, just as The Band were all expected to play The Weight. The irony is that he then had to sing Garden Party, a USA #6 hit, every night.

If you gotta play at garden parties

I wish you a lot of luck

If memories all I sing,

I'd rather drive a truck.

I saw a British band do that once, and they changed the last line to "I couldn't give a f*ck" which resonated and got a big laugh. It's a line crying to be sung. Did Rick Nelson ever do that live? I wondered where they got it from.

I have a lot of time for Rick Nelson. I already had a lot of singles, but I picked up a few pristine early ones recently As we always note when he's mentioned, James Burton on guitar.


Entered at Wed May 1 18:04:23 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Don Felder recorded the opening guitar pattern to Hotel California at his home. He then brought it to the group as an unfinished song idea.

He was not in the Eagles when they opened for Tull.


Entered at Wed May 1 17:36:59 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Otis Redding new Release

Otis Redding Lonely and Blue just released. Includes B sides and a great alternate version of I'VE GOT DREAMS TO REMEMBER. Some what different than the version on THE IMMORTAL OTIS REDDING. Has a worn looking cover making it look like an old LP. I just ordered it.


Entered at Wed May 1 17:27:39 CEST 2013 from (70.53.44.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

BEG: Thank you for that clip of Don Felder. He has a good heart. I have not done it with anyone I don’t know but a few very good friends of mine have been called on to play at hospitals and rehab centres and the experience has been very special for them…….as Garth once said about “healing”…..so true.

LINK above to Ian Anderson discussing HC as well as his feelings towards that opening act his band once had….The Eagles.

Peter: Called my brother last night……..we had a good laugh about album covers.


Entered at Wed May 1 16:45:08 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Flatbed or Flathead

In describing a Ford, the expression "you don't know your flathead from your flatbed" would mean you don't know what's under your hood from your rear end.


Entered at Wed May 1 16:26:43 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter: Those first three albums were all released in January 1974.

Vinyl aficionados will note that the Elektra/Asylum catalog EQ designation indicates that there was a quadraphonic mix version in addition to the regular stereo LP.


Entered at Wed May 1 16:25:08 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Peter...I have Rick Nelson's "Garden Party". Although the song's about people wanting to hear the same songs over and over again and an artist wanting to share newer material?.....I always have to listen to it when I feel I've disappointed someone.
Btw, Louuuu has said that he would watch his family show "Ozzie and Harriet", just so he could watch Burton play guitar at the beginning of the show?

But it's all right now
I learned my lesson well
You see you can't please ev'ryone so
You got to please yourself

I've shared this gem before......Somehow imagezulu downloaded this one to his iPod!!!!!!


Entered at Wed May 1 16:20:22 CEST 2013 from (24.114.72.164)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Benefits of openning a show

.....and this is what "Hotel California" sounded like before The Eagles wrote it.......The Eagle boys were paying attention to J Tull while openning for them back in the 70's.........See LINK.......an old debate but fits with the discussion.......listen to the whole thing.


Entered at Wed May 1 16:14:46 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Opening Acts

Opening acts

You’ve got me thinking. In the UK, having several big bands seems festival rather than concert. That’s probably because there are fewer big venues here, and with 2000 seaters, you can’t justify paying too much.

In the late 60s, it was common on the lucrative university gig circuit, because three or four bands was normal, and often two would be of similar status, but designed maybe to appeal to different audiences.

At that point each band had its own PA system, no shared PA facilities or sound mixing. That starts around 1971. Yes were the first band I saw mixing from the back of the hall rather than the side of the stage (1970, Croydon, Supertramp supporting), though Fleetwood Mac claim to be the first to import the idea from America, and their roadie went on to start a business renting PA systems and sound mixing for US tours. Even in 1970 mixing at the back of the hall was rare in the UK. By 1972, when I saw Lou Reed and they were mixing from the side of the stage, it was rare not to mix from the back.

By the time bands were touring concert venues in the early 70s in the UK, rather than playing colleges, they’d realized that your ideal “support” was one guy with a guitar … cheap, and minimal equipment shifting between acts. I mentioned America in my review of Loudon Wainwright this week … they were supporting King Crimson, just acoustic. Now it’s quite rare to see a full electric band as support on tours, but The Unthanks had Trembling Bells in support two years ago.

It never used to take that long to change over in the 60s, but when you look at a couple of bands with twin drummers and multiple keyboards, who would want the hassle? At my university, we used to use a big Co-Op ballroom in the city centre and that usefully had two stages at right angles.


Entered at Wed May 1 16:07:53 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There's also a week there, David, where Planet Waves was #1, Court & Spark #2 and Hotcakes #3.

Angelina … as I looked up Garden Party in the songs menu, it went straight to the John Fogerty version. The Rick Nelson is so much better.


Entered at Wed May 1 15:55:46 CEST 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: One After Another

Here's an interesting sequence of releases from the catalog of Elektra/Asylum Records in early 1974:

Asylum 7E/EQ1001 COURT AND SPARK--Joni Mitchell
(Robbie--guitar on "Raised On Robbery")

Elektra 7E/EQ1002 HOTCAKES--Carly Simon
(Robbie--guitar on "Mockingbird")

Asylum 7E/EQ1003 PLANET WAVES--Bob Dylan
(Dylan briefly leaves Columbia Records reunites with The Band)

Asylum 7E/EQ1004 THE BORDER--Eagles
(Don Felder's debut with the group)


Entered at Wed May 1 15:47:31 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY MAY DAY...INTERNATIONAL WORKER'S DAY!!!!

The time I saw THE CLASH with BLACK UHURU!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Wed May 1 15:39:23 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the Levon tribute in Toronto

Here's a post from the keyboardist / bandleader for the show the other night, Lance Anderson:

*******

Just wanted to thank the blues fans who came out to the Sold Out, Celebrate Levon Helm Show at Hugh's Room last Friday night. Toronto really gave their adopted son a great Tribute. There were old CHUM radio and Record company guys like Duff Roman (who put out one of Canada's best early Blues records , David Clayton Thomas and the Shays). and John Donabie (CFRB, and an old friend of Levon's who gave a heartfelt tribute.) Old rounders from the Yonge St. days, and Dylan fans who saw them at Massey Hall. Great to hear all the stories from people. This town loved Levon and the Hawks, and Ronnie.

It was nice to see Andrew Galloway there and others from the blues community. Such a grand time was had by all that we have been asked back to do the Last Waltz Show there. Thanks to John Valentyn and other blues radio hosts for mentioning the show.

Bill Avis told a story about Levon and Jane Fonda and brought the house down with his delivery, while his son Jerome Avis, Levon's godson, had a tearful homage to his dear Levon.

And the music. The Weber Brothers gained a whole new fan base. They killed. And John Dickie just reeked on Milk Cow Boogie.

And what can you say about a nine piece band that brought 22 songs together in one rehearsal! Thanks Terry Blersh, Dennis Pinhorn, Rob Gusevs, Jerome Avis, Gord Myers, Simon Wallis, Chris Murphy and Steve Crowe. A truly all star band.

Special mention to house sound man Colin Puffer who brought it all together, no easy feat. [...]


Entered at Wed May 1 15:29:00 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

What a man, what a man, what a mighty fine man.....Don Felder!!!!!!!


Entered at Wed May 1 15:11:02 CEST 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: Thanks for the confirmation re Bearfoot. Too bad, as you say. I know they were advertised as on the bill for at at least a short time; I don't remember the months, but I changed schools for the '73/74 year and for weeks my algebra class (almost all guys) was atwitter about the upcoming Dylan concert - could they get tickets (4 per person limit)?, how long did they line up?, did they get tickets?, who are you taking to the show?, etc. Despite my doinky haircut from the new barber, I was accepted as sufficiently cool on the basis of my quip that everybody was going to see Bearfoot. (I have to mention that my new next-door neighbour, Richard Manuel's first cousin, liked my haircut, which says something about something). Looking back, at least it was hair.


Entered at Wed May 1 14:53:24 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Glenn Frey - The Eagles Interview 22.06.12.
Yes Pat B...MFBP is in his very top list of recordings...ever.

Great for Garth but we want to see him perform here with Robbie!!! :-D
Now's your chance Fred! Too far away?


Entered at Wed May 1 14:45:55 CEST 2013 from (68.199.208.127)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Move To Japan

Garth, Japan date. More to be announced.


Entered at Wed May 1 14:34:16 CEST 2013 from (50.101.56.99)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Landmark...You saw The Band in '74??!! Tell us about the show.

Chalkie Davies's Photos of Robbie and many other musicians.

Chalkie Davies AMERICANS (Canadians too) IN LONDON - No.1

"I was so psyched that I was going to photograph Robbie Robertson, he was staying at the Savoy and was one of my favourite musicians. Unfortunately, when I arrived at his Suite he was looking pretty rough, when I suggested that we go outside to do the photos he reacted somewhat like a Vampire being asked to leave his coffin before nightfall. But, I was ever persuasive and he kindly agreed, however once he got in the Elevator he immediately sat down on the leather seat in the back, having never seen a seat in an elevator before I decided that as he was unlikely to be able to leave it, he might as well stay where he was and we could do the photos in the lift. He was quite relieved when I suggested this. "Had a rough night did you?" I asked after hitting the button for the final frame, "Yea, Jack's in town and you know how he likes to party" came the reply. Of course what he was referring to was that Jack Nicholson was in London to Film The Shining with Stanley Kubrick, this is what even the most hardy Rock Star looks like after a night out with "Jack"..." — with Kelly Melanio Main.


Entered at Wed May 1 14:29:06 CEST 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI getting a mention in the GB...now I've seen it all..well, almost all : )


Entered at Wed May 1 13:47:18 CEST 2013 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

There was no opening band when they played here. As I recall, Dylan and the Band played together, then the Band, then together, then Dylan solo, then the Band, then all together for the finish.

By the way John D, I remember that we discussed this several years ago, that Bob Seger was a support act for a show who's headliner I can't recall. I remember that the opening act was PFM who had a song called "Celebration" that got airplay. Anyway Bob Seger did an interview at CHOM and played disc jockey for a bit. You then interviewed him at CJFM. It was before "Night Moves". "Katmhandu" was the song he was hyping at the time.


Entered at Wed May 1 13:46:21 CEST 2013 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

mike h

Web: My link

Subject: CKS Band's new album kickstarter project launched.

"The CKS Band is a powerhouse Blues/Soul & Rock organ trio. The group features Randy Ciarlante (The Band, The Levon Helm Band) on Drums & Vocals, Bruce Katz (The Gregg Allman Band,John Hammond, Delbert McClinton) on B-3 Organ and Scott Sharrard (The Gregg Allman Band) on Guitar & Vocals. The CKS Band was formed in Sept. of 2011 and has since played the Bearsville Theater, The Black Potatoe Festival, Harvest Blues and Jazz Festival in Fredericton, Canada, The Brigg’s Farm Blues Festival, Helsinki Hudson, The Blue Note NYC, Levon Helm’s Midnight Ramble and many other venues and festivals to spectacular reviews.

The band is planning to record their debut studio album in June using funding from their Kickstarter campaign. The album will be recorded in Woodstock, NY and NYC and will feature brand new original material, some exciting covers and some very special guests. Charlie Martinez (Steely Dan, Donald Fagen, the Rolling Stones, Toots and the Maytals) will engineer, record and mix the tracks. The album will be released in the late summer of 2013 and the band will be hitting the road in support of their new release."


Entered at Wed May 1 13:19:44 CEST 2013 from (99.245.109.0)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bearfoot

No they did not Bill. The Band opened and then it was Dylan and and the Band. I loved Bearfoot. That would have been great.


Entered at Wed May 1 06:05:17 CEST 2013 from (98.66.253.216)

Posted by:

Mike C

Subject: Strange Stagefellows

A couple of weird opening acts for The Band I encountered in Maryland, back when we was fallin' out our cradles: Blodwyn Pig at Merriweather Post Pavilion in '70, & Aerosmith at Capital Centre in '74.


Entered at Wed May 1 04:05:40 CEST 2013 from (68.171.231.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Landmark: in the mid-'70s I saw Gentle Giant and J Geils opening for Jefferson Starship. All were awesome. Ten years later I saw Richard Thompson solo, receiving flak while opening for the chart-topping Crowded House. Neil Finn, bless his great Kiwi heart, came out and called the flakkers "a bunch of dickheads".

For some reason that reminds me to ask John D and other Torontonians at the Dylan/Band show at MLG in '74 if Terry Danko's group, Bearfoot, appeared as the opening act as billed?


Entered at Wed May 1 04:04:52 CEST 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

Bonk

Location: salt Spring Island.

Subject: David P

David. Didn't someone, I think it was Rockin Chair, say that the flat bed ford, from 'Take it easy" ended up in Powell River, BC?


Entered at Wed May 1 01:55:13 CEST 2013 from (75.34.39.34)

Posted by:

Adam

Pat B - I'm trying to get the Music Box Theatre here in Chicago to set up screenings of "Ain't In It For My Health". Any help would be greatly appreciated! The "Levon Helm Film" Facebook page is now helping out too, so hopefully things can get started...


Entered at Wed May 1 01:51:56 CEST 2013 from (96.20.158.81)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

My pleasure John D.

I think back on those times and some of the opening acts as well as package shows I was lucky to attend. Pat jogged my memory by mentioning Mountain. I saw them headline a New Years Eve show at the Forum with J. Geils, Sha Na Na, and Rita Coolidge on the bill. Another one I saw had names that you never see come up here. As I recall, there was a show with Savoy Brown, Malo (remember "Suavecito"), and Mitch Ryder's Detroit. BEG would be happy to know that Mitch Ryder had a minor hit with his version of Lou Reed's "Rock & Roll".

King Crimson I saw opening for Johnny Winter. Let's here from other people's memories.


Entered at Wed May 1 01:03:25 CEST 2013 from (70.50.36.123)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thank you David P! Yeah, who really knows about any relationship?.....I'm going to get over it with hopefully the seven of them! Bring it all on ! The Eagles will be flying into ACC on July 11!

Kevin J...I saw Tina Turner as well, but at Radio City Music Hall in NYC....Chris Isaak.

Peter...I was listening to "Garden Party" on my iPod today too....This song especially resonates when everyone wants you to be just like them.


Entered at Wed May 1 00:13:27 CEST 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Of further interest and somewhat germane, Crimson opened for Iron Butterfly and Poco at the Kinetic Playground here in Chicago just a week before.


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